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General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: Eschaton on January 31, 2014, 10:16:41 AM

Title: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Eschaton on January 31, 2014, 10:16:41 AM
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Figured we kinda need one, right? Been doing more geopolitics reading so....

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Distinguished Mupepes, please.


http://www.businessinsider.com/mexico-legalized-vigilantes-arrests-knights-templar-drug-cartel-2014-1

MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexico essentially legalized the country's growing "self-defense" groups Monday, while also announcing that security forces had captured one of the four top leaders of the Knights Templar drug cartel, which the vigilante groups have been fighting for the last year. :dead

The government said it had reached an agreement with vigilante leaders to incorporate the armed civilian groups into old and largely forgotten quasi-military units called the Rural Defense Corps. Vigilante groups estimate their numbers at 20,000 men under arms.

The twin announcements may help the administration of President Enrique Pena Nieto find a way out of an embarrassing situation in the western state of Michoacan, where vigilantes began rising up last February against the Knights Templar reign of terror and extortion after police and troops failed to stop the abuses.

"The self-defense forces will become institutionalized, when they are integrated into the Rural Defense Corps," the Interior Department said in a statement. Police and soldiers already largely tolerate, and in some cases even work with, the vigilantes, many of whom are armed with assault rifles that civilians are not allowed to carry.
 :leon
Vigilante leaders will have to submit a list of their members to the Defense Department, and the army will apparently oversee the groups, which the government said "will be temporary." They will be allowed to keep their weapons as long as they register them with the army.

The military will give the groups "all the means necessary for communications, operations and movement," according to the agreement.

The vigilante leaders, who include farmers, ranchers and some professionals, gathered Monday to discuss the agreement, but it was not yet clear for them what it would imply. It wasn't known if the army would offer anyone salaries.

Misael Gonzalez, a leader of the self-defense force in the town of Coalcoman, said leaders had accepted the government proposal. But the nuts-and-bolts "are still not well defined," he added. "We won't start working on the mechanisms until tomorrow."

Vigilante leader Hipolito Mora said the agreement also allows those who qualify to join local police forces. "The majority of us want to get into the police ... I never imagined myself dressed as a policeman, but the situation is driving me to put on a uniform."

Latin America has been bruised by experiences with quasi-military forces, with such tolerated or legally recognized groups being blamed for rights abuses in Guatemala and Colombia in the past.

While the cartel may be on its way out, "there shouldn't be abuses by those who come after, there shouldn't be what we would call a witch hunt; there should be reconciliation," said the Rev. Javier Cortes, part of a team of priests in the Roman Catholic diocese of Apatzingan who have publicly denounced abuses by the Knights Templar. :beli

Before dawn on Monday, soldiers and police arrested one of the cartel's top leaders, Dionicio Loya Plancarte, alias "El Tio," or The Uncle. (The Interior Department spells his first name with an "s," but the Attorney General's Office and U.S. authorities spell it with a "c.")

National Public Safety System secretary Monte Rubido said the feared drug lord was arrested without a shot being fired. He said federal forces found Loya Plancarte in Morelia, the capital of Michoacan, "hiding in a closet" and accompanied only by 16-year-old boy. :holeup

The 58-year-old Loya Plancarte had a 30-million peso ($2.25 million) reward on his head from the Mexican government for drug, organized crime and money-laundering charges. He was considered one of the country's three dozen most-wanted drug lords in the late 2000s.

The Knights Templar ruled many parts of Michoacan with an iron fist, demanding extortion payments from businesses, farmers and workers, but the self-defense groups have gained ground against the cartel in recent months. Federal police and army troops were dispatched to bring peace to the troubled region, but the vigilantes have demanded the arrest of the cartel's major leaders before they lay down their guns.

Ramon Contreras, an activist in the vigilante movement from the town of La Ruana, which was the first to rise up against the Knights Templar, said the arrest "means a lot" to the vigilantes, but added that they won't rest until they see all the top bosses arrested.

Contreras voiced a common belief that the man who founded the cartel under the name La Familia Michoacana, Nazario Moreno, alias "El Chayo," is still alive, despite the government's statement in 2010 that he had been killed in a shootout with federal forces.

"He's still alive; there's proof he's still alive," Contreras said.

Loya Plancarte got his nickname, "The Uncle," because he is believed to be the uncle of another top Knights Templar leader, Enrique Plancarte Solis.

Loya Plancarte joined Plancarte Solis and Servando Gomez in forming the Knights Templar after the purported death of Nazario Moreno.

A local journalist from Michoacan recounted watching when Loya Plancarte led a sort of pilgrimage to a shrine erected to Nazario Moreno and had his assistants hand out 500-peso ($37) bills to people who attended.
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Title: Re: Mexico is officially beyond the thunderdome
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 31, 2014, 10:26:33 AM
Who run Bartertown, tho?
Title: Re: Mexico is officially beyond the thunderdome
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 31, 2014, 10:36:08 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on January 31, 2014, 10:26:33 AM
Who run Bartertown, tho?

...you really had to ask?

(http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTUwNzIwMDY0OF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMzM3Njg2Mw@@._V1_SY1200_CR92,0,630,1200_.jpg)
Title: Re: Mexico is officially beyond the thunderdome
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 31, 2014, 11:19:08 AM
A conservative dream come true.
Title: Re: Mexico is officially beyond the thunderdome
Post by: bork on January 31, 2014, 12:15:34 PM
What about El Guapo?
Title: Re: Mexico is officially beyond the thunderdome
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 31, 2014, 12:19:52 PM
Quote from: bork laser on January 31, 2014, 12:15:34 PM
What about El Guapo?

In a way, all of us has an El Guapo to face. For some, shyness might be their El Guapo. For others, a lack of education might be their El Guapo. For us, El Guapo is a big, dangerous man who wants to kill us.
Title: Re: Mexico is officially beyond the thunderdome
Post by: bork on January 31, 2014, 12:23:08 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCC_i_PyEog
Title: Re: Mexico is officially beyond the thunderdome
Post by: Diunx on January 31, 2014, 02:26:03 PM
Can't wait for them to take texas back.
Title: Re: Mexico is officially beyond the thunderdome
Post by: Your Stalker on January 31, 2014, 02:30:57 PM
Quote from: Esch on January 31, 2014, 02:15:43 PM
Quote from: Exodust SoulBurn on January 31, 2014, 01:57:40 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 31, 2014, 11:19:08 AM
A conservative dream come true.

Not completely, they're still trying to belong in our goddamn country.
(http://i.imgur.com/ngErJWs.png)
fixed
Title: Re: Mexico is officially beyond the thunderdome
Post by: Rufus on January 31, 2014, 02:32:44 PM
Quote from: Diunx on January 31, 2014, 02:26:03 PM
Can't wait for them to take texas back.
Ha. Texas.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Political_divisions_of_Mexico_1821_%28location_map_scheme%29.svg)
Title: Re: Mexico is officially beyond the thunderdome
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 31, 2014, 02:37:13 PM
The opposite sounds more likely.  I'm sure Republicans would be up for a new territory annexation.  Just say 1) you are liberating these people from the ruling cartels, 2) It would create a buffer zone for drug/violence/immigration control, 3) It would become a territory so browns won't get to vote. 
Title: Re: Mexico is officially beyond the thunderdome
Post by: Pickles the Firecat on January 31, 2014, 03:05:23 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on January 31, 2014, 02:37:13 PM
The opposite sounds more likely.  I'm sure Republicans would be up for a new territory annexation.  Just say 1) you are liberating these people from the ruling cartels, 2) It would create a buffer zone for drug/violence/immigration control, 3) It would become a territory so browns won't get to vote.

You're forgetting that conservatives need somewhere looming with wages properly reflecting market value that businesses want to move to for manufacturing. At the same time their people need the ability and desire to cross the border and steal our jobs, which has nothing to do with the those market value wages obviously.

Impossibly good double whammy. idk where else you can find that, idk if it's worth losing.
Title: Re: Mexico is officially beyond the thunderdome
Post by: Boogie on January 31, 2014, 06:58:12 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on January 31, 2014, 02:37:13 PM
The opposite sounds more likely.  I'm sure Republicans would be up for a new territory annexation.  Just say 1) you are liberating these people from the ruling cartels, 2) It would create a buffer zone for drug/violence/immigration control, 3) It would become a territory so browns won't get to vote.

Bro, you know they're more likely to turn their attention northward when it comes to annexation options than south.  :cancry
Title: Re: Mexico is officially beyond the thunderdome
Post by: Boogie on January 31, 2014, 06:59:59 PM
Anywhooo, I like to glance at this site once in a while for Mexican Drug War news:

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/

They've been posting about this nascent "self defence movement" for a while now.
Title: Re: Mexico is officially beyond the thunderdome
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 31, 2014, 07:08:26 PM
Quote from: Boogie on January 31, 2014, 06:58:12 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on January 31, 2014, 02:37:13 PM
The opposite sounds more likely.  I'm sure Republicans would be up for a new territory annexation.  Just say 1) you are liberating these people from the ruling cartels, 2) It would create a buffer zone for drug/violence/immigration control, 3) It would become a territory so browns won't get to vote.

Bro, you know they're more likely to turn their attention northward when it comes to annexation options than south.  :cancry

Ya, tar sands and clean water trump all other reasons :(
Title: Re: Mexico is officially beyond the thunderdome
Post by: Boogie on January 31, 2014, 07:14:16 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on January 31, 2014, 07:08:26 PM
Quote from: Boogie on January 31, 2014, 06:58:12 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on January 31, 2014, 02:37:13 PM
The opposite sounds more likely.  I'm sure Republicans would be up for a new territory annexation.  Just say 1) you are liberating these people from the ruling cartels, 2) It would create a buffer zone for drug/violence/immigration control, 3) It would become a territory so browns won't get to vote.

Bro, you know they're more likely to turn their attention northward when it comes to annexation options than south.  :cancry

Ya, tar sands and clean water trump all other reasons :(

That's why Obama hasn't made a decision on Keystone yet.

He's all like "Why the hell would I announce an agreement with the Canadian government when I'm gonna own all that shit in 2 years anyway?"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 02, 2014, 12:43:38 PM
:heh
Title: Re: The Queen is BROKE: International Politics Thread
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 02, 2014, 01:28:12 PM
Good :sabu
Title: Re: The Queen is BROKE: International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on February 02, 2014, 02:03:34 PM
Ahahahah
Title: Re: The Queen is BROKE: International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on February 02, 2014, 02:04:07 PM
Downton Abbey for real!
Title: Re: The Queen is BROKE: International Politics Thread
Post by: nudemacusers on February 02, 2014, 02:04:11 PM
america is the best country

Title: Re: The Queen is BROKE: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 02, 2014, 03:54:13 PM
time to call in the professional
(http://dianaoverbey.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/dan-stevens.jpg)
Title: Re: The Queen is BROKE: International Politics Thread
Post by: Positive Touch on February 02, 2014, 03:55:40 PM
just saw a story the other day about frenchies crying because they cant sustain their dirty shithead lifestyle without the bullshit monies they still take from former colonies

in the coming decades we're gonna be swimming in stinky eurotears brehs :rejoice
Title: Re: The Queen is BROKE: International Politics Thread
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 02, 2014, 05:04:02 PM
U.S. Protests Mexi-Canadian Overpass (http://www.theonion.com/articles/us-protests-mexicanadian-overpass,104/)
Title: Re: The Queen is BROKE: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 02, 2014, 05:44:38 PM
William & Kate "leaked" sex tape incoming!  :heh
Title: Re: The Queen is BROKE: International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 02, 2014, 05:48:28 PM
William & Kate & James Deen brought to you by Vivid. 
Title: Re: The Queen is BROKE: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 02, 2014, 06:49:46 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on February 02, 2014, 03:55:40 PM
just saw a story the other day about frenchies crying because they cant sustain their dirty shithead lifestyle without the bullshit monies they still take from former colonies

in the coming decades we're gonna be swimming in stinky eurotears brehs :rejoice
A couple weeks back I saw that their socialist Kenyan President's approval numbers went up after it came out he was having an affair. From like 20% to 26% or something.
Title: Re: The Queen is BROKE: International Politics Thread
Post by: Mandark on February 02, 2014, 11:55:23 PM
So you're spending a small fraction of your budget to maintain an institution for reasons of symbolism and cultural heritage, even when it's no longer involved in the actual governing of the country anymore.  What's the big deal?  We still have Congress.
Title: Re: Thai and Ukraine REVOLUTIONGHAZI! International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 03, 2014, 01:13:47 PM
The opposition better be pushing for man called Yingauspicious.
Title: Re: Thai and Ukraine REVOLUTIONGHAZI! International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on February 03, 2014, 01:59:04 PM
http://truefinns.tumblr.com/
Title: Re: Thai and Ukraine REVOLUTIONGHAZI! International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 03, 2014, 02:17:56 PM
Quote from: Esch on February 03, 2014, 01:47:37 PM
Well then you come up with one better. Consider this your Bore homework assignment.
Ukraine is game to you?!?
Title: Re: Ukraine is game to you?!? International Politics Thread
Post by: Yeti on February 03, 2014, 04:12:27 PM
Queen thinks Kate Middleton dresses like a whore, is now going to pick out her outfits for her.

http://shine.yahoo.com/fashion/kate-middleton-wear-longer-skirts-according-queen-155700870.html (http://shine.yahoo.com/fashion/kate-middleton-wear-longer-skirts-according-queen-155700870.html)
Title: Re: Ukraine is game to you?!? International Politics Thread
Post by: Big Barry Jazz on February 05, 2014, 08:42:41 AM
Quote from: Yeti on February 03, 2014, 04:12:27 PM
Queen thinks Kate Middleton dresses like a whore, is now going to pick out her outfits for her.

http://shine.yahoo.com/fashion/kate-middleton-wear-longer-skirts-according-queen-155700870.html (http://shine.yahoo.com/fashion/kate-middleton-wear-longer-skirts-according-queen-155700870.html)

Who wouldn't take fashion advice from this woman

(http://i.imgur.com/EjTPn8Z.jpg)
Title: Re: Ukraine is game to you?!? International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 07, 2014, 11:06:01 AM
Ukraine is game to her.
Title: Re: Ukraine is game to you?!? International Politics Thread
Post by: Mandark on February 07, 2014, 01:07:04 PM
From last month:  South Sudan talks resume in Addis Ababa nightclub Gaslight (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-25718654)

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A shift in the venue for talks aimed at brokering a ceasefire in South Sudan has left some delegates bemused.

The government and rebel teams have moved to the dance floor of a top nightclub in an Addis Ababa hotel.

The Gaslight club was selected after the room in the Sheraton hotel the teams had been using was booked by a Japanese delegation.

Sources close to the talks said some delegates were unhappy with the poor lighting and excess noise.

Talks aimed at securing the ceasefire in the month-long conflict in South Sudan have now resumed in the Ethiopian capital.

But the delegates are now in the basement of the luxury hotel, amid faux gold columns.

Their previous room has been taken over by the Japanese - Prime Minister Shinzo Abe is currently visiting Addis Ababa at the end of his first tour of Africa.

The talks in the nightclub are at least taking place during the day - when the dance floor is not normally in use.


A couple weeks later: South Sudan ceasefire takes effect (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-25884778)


Now, given the history of the country, it's likely to fall apart and go to shit at some point in the not-very-distant future, but for now I'm buying in, cause it's just too nice of a story not to believe for a while.
Title: Re: Ukraine is game to you?!? International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on February 07, 2014, 10:30:16 PM
A HAPPENING is taking place

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQpwdxwK0fQ

http://www.reddit.com/r/socialism/comments/1x9lca/over_130_injured_as_bosnian_antigovernment/
Title: Re: Ukraine is game to you?!? International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on February 07, 2014, 10:37:05 PM
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Thousands gathered in four other cities in solidarity with the Tuzla workers, but also to protest against Bosnia's nearly 40-percent unemployment rate and politicians whom they accuse of being disconnected from citizens' needs.
Wow. Surprised they didn't blow up sooner.
Title: Re: Ukraine is game to you?!? International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on February 09, 2014, 12:14:34 PM
Prop up fascist states engaged in ethnic cleansing brehs
Title: Re: Ukraine is game to you?!? International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2014, 01:54:11 PM
Quote from: Esch on February 04, 2014, 01:06:36 PM
:goty :goty2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMTbFSJ_Tr4

Does that Russian Occupy Pedophilia group invite gay men on fake dates with adults, or is it a To Catch A Predator thing where they're trapping gay dudes who are trying to bang under age boys?
Title: Re: Ukraine is game to you?!? International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 10, 2014, 10:32:07 PM
Quote from: Esch on February 10, 2014, 10:18:56 PM
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2014/02/485_151258.html

:rofl :rofl :rofl


the CIA's greatest asset wins again

:rofl @ that old racist lady in the comments section
Title: Re: Ukraine is game to you?!? International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 10, 2014, 11:12:57 PM
America: A Black sea of rape mur
Title: Re: Ukraine is game to you?!? International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on February 15, 2014, 12:42:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMXfBm0IPd0
Title: Re: Ukraine is game to you?!? International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 15, 2014, 01:09:41 PM
I only listen to Global Capitalism quarterlies. 
Title: Re: Ukraine is game to you?!? International Politics Thread
Post by: Positive Touch on February 15, 2014, 01:27:37 PM
attempt to start a conversation with a two hour video with no tldr description, brehs
Title: Re: Ukraine is game to you?!? International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on February 15, 2014, 02:13:49 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on February 15, 2014, 01:27:37 PM
attempt to start a conversation with a two hour video with no tldr description, brehs

Just sharing a video I found interesting :yeshrug
Title: Re: Ukraine is game to you?!? International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on February 18, 2014, 11:54:16 AM
Shit's kicking off in Ukraine again. Apparently there's been deadlines and ultimatums and shit being thrown around. Some protestors dead

livestream

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_LFrMcoEm4#t=1315301

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObBHW8XQvUQ
Title: Re: Ukraine is game to you?!? International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on February 18, 2014, 01:03:07 PM
It's happening.
Title: Re: Ukraine is game to you?!? International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on February 18, 2014, 01:54:22 PM
I feel bad for Ukraine. All this unrest and it has no effect on world markets? Is the country that insignificant?
Title: Re: Ukraine is game to you?!? International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on February 18, 2014, 03:48:35 PM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=620704324668475

That BTR  :dizzy
Title: Re: Ukraine is game to you?!? International Politics Thread
Post by: Mandark on February 18, 2014, 04:06:14 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/swiss-fighters-grounded-during-hijacking-outside-office-hours-182241347.html

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Geneva (AFP) - No Swiss fighter jets were scrambled Monday when an Ethiopian Airlines co-pilot hijacked his own plane and forced it to land in Geneva, because it happened outside business hours, the Swiss airforce said.

When the co-pilot on flight ET-702 from Addis Ababa to Rome locked himself in the cockpit while the pilot went to the bathroom and announced a hijacking, Italian and French fighter jets were scrambled to escort the plane through their respective airspaces.

But although the co-pilot-turned-hijacker quickly announced he wanted to land the plane in Switzerland, where he later said he aimed to seek asylum, Switzerland's fleet of F-18s and F-5 Tigers remained on the ground, Swiss airforce spokesman Laurent Savary told AFP.

This, he explained, was because the Swiss airforce is only available during office hours. These are reported to be from 8am until noon, then 1:30 to 5pm.

 :swisscry
Title: Re: Ukraine is game to you?!? International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on February 18, 2014, 04:23:34 PM
Dat 1 and a half hour lunch.  :aah
Title: Re: Ukraine is game to you?!? International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 18, 2014, 05:09:54 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on February 18, 2014, 04:23:34 PM
Dat 1 and a half hour lunch.  :aah

Well you can have to remember that their one and a half hour lunch is subsidized by Nazi gold.  If we had Nazi gold we could do that shit too, but all we got were Nazi scientists.
Title: Re: Ukraine is game to you?!? International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on February 18, 2014, 05:32:24 PM
Not only did they repulse the last Berkut attack, but they got their hands on at least one of them in the process. Saw him being manhandled through the crowd.
Title: Re: Ukraine is game to you?!? International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 18, 2014, 05:34:23 PM
Maybe the US should step in here.


LOL, j/k, we still got plenty of brown people to fuck wit.
Title: Re: #ProtectBorys International Politics Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 18, 2014, 05:38:26 PM
that last image is a fucking amazing photograph
Title: Re: Ukraine is game to you?!? International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on February 18, 2014, 05:40:37 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on February 18, 2014, 05:34:23 PM
Maybe the US should step in here.


LOL, j/k, we still got plenty of brown people to fuck wit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJRLBM6iaI8

US ambassador to Ukraine directing traffic :usacry
Title: Re: #ProtectBorys International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on February 18, 2014, 06:19:41 PM
Another BTR (accompanied by a truck this time) gets more than it bargained for

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoMUxGkBlf0&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: #ProtectBorys International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on February 18, 2014, 06:25:24 PM
Quote from: Esch on February 18, 2014, 06:00:09 PM
20 dead, 500 injured, Turchunov injured.

:shaq2

Putin sending the goons in :heh ?

(http://i.imgur.com/tGK7Sv4.jpg)
Why would they not conceil badges and other identifying marks? Incompetency and hubris are one thing, an extreme close up picture from god knows where is another.
Title: Re: #ProtectBorys International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on February 18, 2014, 06:53:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=pVI3Inds_58

Police guarding the Internal Affairs office in Ternopil negotiate with protesters and stand down (skip to the end).
Title: Re: #ProtectBorys International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 18, 2014, 07:24:54 PM
while we are doing horrible riot stuff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC21FhYgP9s
 :nsfanyone

The cop is in stable condition and won't loss his leg.
Title: Re: #ProtectBorys International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on February 19, 2014, 11:58:37 AM
Uzhhorod today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=I6VGcgfJuxo


Lviv today and last night

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bg2YDGjCIAAwtzw.jpg:large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bgyr0_2CAAE4ccY.jpg:large)
Title: Re: #ProtectBorys International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on February 19, 2014, 12:05:35 PM
Quote from: Broseidon on February 18, 2014, 06:19:41 PM
Another BTR (accompanied by a truck this time) gets more than it bargained for

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoMUxGkBlf0&feature=youtu.be

From  a different perspective

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjy2n1X0Q4k
Title: Re: #ProtectBorys International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on February 19, 2014, 12:12:41 PM
Volyn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXBNujoLZDA
Title: Re: #ProtectBorys International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on February 20, 2014, 10:54:21 AM
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-20/ukraine-situation-explained-one-map

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/02/20140220_ukr7_0.png)

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    BOTH the USA and EU will now fund the rebels as Russia will fund Yanukovych. At the political level, Ukraine is the pawn on the chessboard. The propaganda war is East v West. However, those power plays are masking the core issue that began with the Orange Revolution – corruption. Yanukovych is a dictator who will NEVER leave office. It is simple as that. There will be no REAL elections again in Ukraine. This is starting to spiral down into a confrontation that the entire world cannot ignore.

:kobeyuck
Title: Re: #ProtectBorys International Politics Thread
Post by: Diunx on February 20, 2014, 11:08:37 AM
http://www.euronews.com/2014/02/19/venezuelan-protester-dies-from-bullet-wound-5th-fatality-of-unrest/

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A 22-year-old student from the central city of Valencia in Venezuela died on Wednesday after being shot in the head during an anti-government demonstration, her family said.

Genesis Carmona, who was studying tourism and was also a local beauty queen, was shot during a demonstration on Tuesday.

“How long are we going to live like this? How long do we have to tolerate this pressure, with them killing us?” a relative who asked not to be named told Reuters. “She only needed one more semester to graduate,” he added.

She is one of six victims of the political unrest that has gripped the South American country since imprisoned protest leader Leopoldo Lopez urged supporters to keep fighting for the departure of the socialist government.

She was a cutie :tocry

(http://images.latintimes.com/sites/latintimes.com/files/styles/large/public/2014/02/19/genesis-carmona.jpg)
Title: Re: #ProtectBorys International Politics Thread
Post by: Diunx on February 20, 2014, 01:10:39 PM
Shut your racist CAC ass borys no one cares about a bunch of dead commies.
Title: Re: #ProtectBorys International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 21, 2014, 12:27:55 PM
Bad business going down in Venezuela:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxbdzBYjAug

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsgmY9bVr8g
Title: Re: #ProtectBorys International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 21, 2014, 12:39:05 PM
Reading the comments sections for any of the news articles on either country, regardless of the website hosting it, is an absolute nightmare. I'd suggest avoidance as a universal policy.
Title: Re: #ProtectBorys International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on February 21, 2014, 12:41:07 PM
Absolutely. Misanthropy alert.

Go look at pictures of kittens or something.
Title: Re: #ProtectBorys International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 21, 2014, 12:51:10 PM
Quote from: Esch on February 21, 2014, 12:46:52 PM
Quote from: Rufus on February 21, 2014, 12:41:07 PM
Absolutely. Misanthropy alert.

Go look at pictures of kittens or something.

I like reading them for the political spectrum tardery. Look at all the libertarian cornballs gloating over Venezuela turning into shit.

(http://i.minus.com/j5cHTig35PFZa.png)(http://i.minus.com/j5cHTig35PFZa.png)(http://i.minus.com/j5cHTig35PFZa.png)(http://i.minus.com/j5cHTig35PFZa.png)(http://i.minus.com/j5cHTig35PFZa.png)

Also, basically every protest is being secretly funded by America, because we hate benevolent democratically-elected governments and want to take them down by supporting money-grubbing thugs.

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Title: Re: #ProtectBorys International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 21, 2014, 12:57:23 PM
Every dictator is really a hero of the people and just wants to do what's right, protesters are traitorous thugs and just want to hand their country over to capitalist bankers who will gut the country's resources for their own profits.
Title: Re: Maduro reads Broseidon posts: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 22, 2014, 01:35:02 PM
I'm sorry, but Kim Qong Ill
:dead
Title: Re: Maduro reads Broseidon posts: International Politics Thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 22, 2014, 04:57:57 PM
:rejoice Our long global nightmare is over, brehs
Title: Re: Maduro reads Broseidon posts: International Politics Thread
Post by: Steve Contra on February 22, 2014, 05:12:28 PM
Quote from: Esch on February 22, 2014, 04:54:48 PM
The DEA finally captured am nintenho :neogaf

(http://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/02/23/world/23mexico2/23mexico2-master180.jpg)


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/23/world/americas/joaquin-guzman-loera-sinaloa-drug-cartel-leader-is-captured-in-mexico.html?_r=0
They're going to waterboard him until he explains what the hell his posts mean.  It might take a while.
Title: Re: Maduro reads Broseidon posts: International Politics Thread
Post by: Boogie on February 22, 2014, 05:25:54 PM
Bu-bu-but what about that article Eric P posted a month ago stating that Guzman coordinates his activities with American authorities in return for them not going after him?   :hans1 :hans1
Title: Re: Maduro reads Broseidon posts: International Politics Thread
Post by: Diunx on February 22, 2014, 07:29:54 PM
He is of no more use to them, shit happened with our last dictator too :yeshrug
Title: Re: Maduro reads Broseidon posts: International Politics Thread
Post by: Sman on February 22, 2014, 07:50:17 PM
The Venezuelan opposition is a joke. An eccletic collection of mostly well off people and big interests in this deeply divided country. They have little to offer the majority of the poor who have been the Chavez power base. They keep losing, they keep complaining and fail to present themselves as a credible alternative for the majority to vote for. That's why even gaffe-prone Maduro is in power instead of them.
Title: Re: Maduro reads Broseidon posts: International Politics Thread
Post by: Boogie on February 22, 2014, 07:57:40 PM
Quote from: Diunx on February 22, 2014, 07:29:54 PM
He is of no more use to them, shit happened with our last dictator too :yeshrug

Like I said:

:hans1
Title: Re: Maduro reads Broseidon posts: International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 22, 2014, 09:36:04 PM
Quote from: Boogie on February 22, 2014, 05:25:54 PM
Bu-bu-but what about that article Eric P posted a month ago stating that Guzman coordinates his activities with American authorities in return for them not going after him?   :hans1 :hans1

They had to capture him once the news was out.  Obviously. 
Title: Re: Maduro reads Broseidon posts: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 24, 2014, 09:46:41 AM
Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/ukraine-missing-leader
Ukraine's acting government issued an arrest warrant Monday for President Viktor Yanukovych, accusing him of mass crimes against the protesters who stood up for months against his rule. Russia sharply questioned its authority, calling it an "armed mutiny."

Yanukovych himself has reportedly fled to the Black Sea peninsula of Crimea, a pro-Russian area in Ukraine.
Title: Re: Maduro reads Broseidon posts: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2014, 07:42:44 PM
Look, and this applies in general not just in Ukraine and Venezuela, just hold elections again, let the opposition see how much of an increasing minority they really are and proclaim the great victory of the ruling party in the fair and free elections. Then everyone accepts it and peace happens and the revolution continues its triumph over the shadowy outside forces trying to undermine it.

Repeat until the protests stop or the U.S. imports democracy.
Title: Re: Maduro reads Broseidon posts: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 24, 2014, 07:47:00 PM
Ukraine's Parliament agreed to hold elections in May during the same vote to boot out Yanukovych.
Title: Re: Maduro reads Broseidon posts: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2014, 07:56:07 PM
Hopefully he wins a commanding mandate in the first round that properly expresses the trust that the people have in him and his actions to stamp out these troublemakers.
Title: Re: Maduro reads Broseidon posts: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on February 28, 2014, 06:40:22 AM
Egypt's military leaders unveil devices they claim can detect and cure Aids (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/28/egypt-unveil-device-detects-cures-aids)

Oh boy...
Title: Re: GCHQ watches Brits fap : International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on February 28, 2014, 12:06:57 PM
Some weird post-modern occupation shit going on.
Title: Re: Maduro reads Broseidon posts: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on February 28, 2014, 12:57:15 PM
Quote from: Esch on February 28, 2014, 11:41:10 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/28/technology/british-spies-said-to-have-intercepted-yahoo-webcam-images.html?hpw&rref=technology&_r=0

:kobeyuck :holeup :beli


and once again thank you Edward Snowden (pbuh)
I love the fact that they caught so many nudes they don't really know what to do with them. :lol

Couple decades ago the Stasi was the worst thing ever, now look at this shit. Sigh.
Title: Re: GCHQ watches Brits fap : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2014, 12:01:41 AM
The world will look up and shout "Save us, Sarah!" and she'll look down and whisper "no":
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/02/28/Flashback-Palin-Mocked-in-2008-for-Warning-Putin-May-Invade-Ukraine-if-Obama-Elected-President
Title: Re: GCHQ watches Brits fap : International Politics Thread
Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2014, 12:17:13 AM
I remember one of the earliest warning signs with Palin was the interview where she said she favored NATO membership for Georgia and the Ukraine, when I think the McCain campaign itself didn't go that far, and when the implication was committing the US to possible military action against Russia down the line.  It was also the first time we went through her fans defending her against an elitist, "gotcha" news media.

Wonder how an actual McCain administration would have responded to the shit in Georgia, Libya, Syria, Egypt, the Ukraine, Iran.  Pretty sure I'm glad it's a hypothetical.
Title: Re: GCHQ watches Brits fap : International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 01, 2014, 12:46:17 AM
Quote from: Mandark on March 01, 2014, 12:17:13 AM
Wonder how an actual McCain administration would have responded to the shit in Georgia, Libya, Syria, Egypt, the Ukraine, Iran.  Pretty sure I'm glad it's a hypothetical.

If McCain's rhetoric is anything to go by, we'd already have troops deployed in all six of those countries by now.
Title: Re: GCHQ watches Brits fap : International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2014, 12:57:20 AM
Thank god for Obama. I prefer a president who handles global matters like he's playing a western RPG, constantly pausing, sometimes doing nothing. Much better than a McCain administration, which would look like a modern C&C match: ugly and ineffective.
Title: Re: GCHQ watches Brits fap : International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 01, 2014, 01:05:57 AM
Videogame representation of the McCain administration on foreign policy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkCNJRfSZBU
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2014, 08:59:40 AM
Well if you want to make mmo references during a gaming discussion that's ok, no one is judging.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 01, 2014, 09:19:42 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2014, 08:59:40 AM
Well if you want to make mmo references during a gaming discussion that's ok, no one is judging.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 01, 2014, 11:13:33 AM
I don't get the importance of the Crimean; it's not like Russia would loss Black sea access without it and they have to have a different port for their Navy.  Being a punitive action seems a little silly as it risks pushing the Ukraine even closer to the west.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2014, 06:16:24 PM
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/03/8-things-obama-must-do-about-ukraine-104128.html

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Second, President Obama should dispatch Secretary of State John Kerry and Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel to Kiev

Jeez, kick a country while they're down.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Mandark on March 02, 2014, 12:03:34 AM
Well, that incident is going to be brought up FOREVER by people who could otherwise give a shit about who lives or dies halfway across the planet.  Wheeeeeeeeeee(gur).

Whatever happened to the Uygur separatists at Guantanamo, where they weren't connected to terrorism but nobody wanted to take them (except maybe China, to immediately arrest)?
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Mandark on March 02, 2014, 12:40:22 AM
Quote from: The Business on March 02, 2014, 12:09:34 AM
Mando: http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2013/12/31/last-uyghur-captives-leave-guantanamo-bay/

Thanks.  Slovakia, eh?  Assume they were getting brownie points for taking them off our hands.

Also, didn't the Norway shooter at the kids camp a few years back have some absolutely hideous death toll?  I don't feel like looking it up cause I'll just get depressed.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: StealthFan on March 02, 2014, 02:06:49 AM
Quote from: The Business on March 02, 2014, 12:07:12 AM
Only mass shooter to get a 30+ k/d ratio was the VT shooter


Breivik?

EDIT: Already covered. Man fuck that taco. Complaining about his PS2. Dude should be in a hole for the rest of his life.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 02, 2014, 06:31:47 AM
So, what you're telling me is that if a sovereign state the US had a major base in went all revolution style, with a population that was 25% American in a region that was over 50% American, we wouldn't be sending troops in? To say nothing of the natural gas pipelines...

How quickly we forget the coalition of the willing, brehs.

:hitler
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Fifstar on March 02, 2014, 09:40:37 AM
Quote from: The Business on March 02, 2014, 12:07:12 AM
I am really amazed that four guys could kill 33 and injure over 100 with knives, though.

Most recent news say that up to ten were involved, only 5 were killed/captured. Still crazy though.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on March 02, 2014, 09:50:38 AM
We're comparing knives to guns now?
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: milchs evil twin on March 02, 2014, 01:59:42 PM
I kinda don't feel like getting bombed by Vladimir.

I think he only does this cause I drank this beer yesterday

Quote
(http://i.imgur.com/JfFZpbt.jpg)

I think it hurt his feelings
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 02, 2014, 03:10:01 PM
http://www.dancarlin.com//disp.php/csarchive/Show-270---Poking-the-Bear/Ukraine-Russia-Putin
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 02, 2014, 07:13:06 PM
Poking bears is not allowed in Russia, Comrade.

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But on The Bore it is.  :shaq
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Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on March 02, 2014, 08:14:01 PM
I think he invaded because I laughed at his picture in this article:

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/controversial_male_political_figures_reimagined_as_fabulous_drag_queens
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2014, 08:57:49 PM
gotta love the war monger criticism and hand wringing over Obama "not acting." What exactly do these people want. Well, I take that back - Charles Krauthammer wants Obama to send a naval fleet...to the Black Sea, you know, where Russia's fleet is. I can at least respect him for showing his hand - he wants war, period.

Everyone else needs to stop the hand wringing and say exactly what they want to see happen.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 02, 2014, 10:05:08 PM
You have to stand up to bullies. You hit them hard when they aren't expecting it and they'll back down. You have to get in their face. You can't let your fear allow them to run the schoolyard. This is a red line we cannot allow tyrants to cross. If they bring a knife, we bring a gun.

We're the United States of America. We don't do pinpricks.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 02, 2014, 10:27:32 PM
We should probably nuke Moscow, that would show Putin that we're serious.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 02, 2014, 10:36:00 PM
Now, I'm not saying that we should launch a massive invasion of Russia from Poland before the spring. I'm just saying that:

1. We should keep all our options on the table.
b. They wouldn't expect it.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2014, 10:41:29 PM
I will say that Obama probably needs to stop promising consequences/red lines/etc if he's not going to do anything. Outside of that I'm fine with how this has been handled.

BTW I love how Lindsey Graham made such a big deal about kicking Russia out the G8, which technically isn't even possible. Now the G7 has been formed...the G8 still exists, it just won't be having any meetings anytime soon. As if Putin cares.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 02, 2014, 10:47:26 PM
"You just don't in the 21st century behave in 19th century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped up pre-text," Kerry told the CBS program "Face the Nation."

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll36/Bigsteve87/Gifs/DidntReadLolBush.gif)
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 02, 2014, 10:51:18 PM
The only reason Russia was/is included in any of those G# groups in the first place was because they whined about it and the lingering Cold War habits of including them in everything. (And nukes.) I don't even think they meet the criteria* for the G20, let alone the G7.

*EDIT: Should note that I'm referring to a few studies that have tried to create some kind of objective criteria, the groups themselves have no formal criteria which is one complaint they often face. Despite its size Russia usually drops down to like 40th in most of these, Indonesia is another country that drops a ton IIRC. (This could have changed more in recent years, Russia back in the early days wasn't even close to the G7 in plain ol GDP like it is now so I would imagine it would also do better in these constructed metrics.)

tldr: shut up dummy be more exacting instead of glib
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: a slime appears on March 03, 2014, 10:56:17 AM
Quote from: Esch on March 03, 2014, 10:05:55 AM
:whew Former ambassador jack matlock breaks Ukraine down:

http://jackmatlock.com/2014/03/ukraine-the-price-of-internal-division/

Good piece.

That was really good, thank you.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on March 03, 2014, 10:57:22 AM
It's easy to call for war when you won't have to fight in it. Get Krauthammer, Graham, and all those fuck on the front line and see if their opinion changes.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on March 03, 2014, 11:41:46 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Dugin
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Steve Contra on March 03, 2014, 01:43:49 PM
Watching the reaction from the right is depressing.  They want America to look strong, but Obama to come out of this with egg on his face
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2014, 04:07:10 PM
Usually Obama's comments on foreign affairs are calculated and vetted, which makes it even more baffling that he has made the same mistake of threatening another leader of state without actual plans of doing anything. Why threaten Putin if all you're going to do is institute sanctions and form the G7, ie shit he clearly doesn't care about?

Even McCain doesn't think we should consider military options right now; however if Obama said that yesterday, you can bet your ass McCain would be calling it cowardly.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mccain-no-military-action-ukraine
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Mandark on March 03, 2014, 04:27:37 PM
Eh, what's the alternative?  Openly saying that Russia has a free hand in Eastern Europe and nobody's going to do shit?

Even if the US has very little actual leverage, there are domestic and political reasons for Obama to make a bit of a rhetorical show, and to join in any small or symbolic gestures made by the EU.  From the western perspective, respecting sovereign borders* is a pretty important norm and it's worth doing something to reinforce that idea.  There's really very little downside to what the administration's done so far.

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Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 03, 2014, 04:37:37 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2014, 04:07:10 PM
Even McCain doesn't think we should consider military options right now; however if Obama said that yesterday, you can bet your ass McCain would be calling it cowardly.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mccain-no-military-action-ukraine

McCain's smart enough to know that putting American troops on the ground within shooting distance of Russian soldiers is an exceedingly bad idea, but he'll still find away to twist it around to where Obama is being weak an ineffectual by not doing something or other.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 03, 2014, 05:23:56 PM
Yeah it sucks what russia is doing, but the usa throwing a hissy fit over this after iraq and afghanistan is sad.

That said I hope someone sets the ruskies straigth.

Get it?
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 03, 2014, 05:31:52 PM
Poland has invoked Article 4 of Nato's founding treaty, under which consultations can be requested when an ally feels their security is threatened. Polish President Bronislaw Komorowski has said that while the Ukraine crisis is not a direct threat to Poland and that the country is safe, Poland wants to enlist Nato as a tool to work for stabilisation in Ukraine.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on March 03, 2014, 05:37:29 PM
Isn't that exactly what pisses Russia off about (half of) Ukraine turning westwards? NATO reach extending to their borders, I mean.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on March 03, 2014, 06:10:23 PM
  :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge 

(http://i.imgur.com/w095oj7.png)

  :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on March 03, 2014, 06:18:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZeUAOqvvOzc
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 03, 2014, 06:36:01 PM
Finally, an opinion that matters.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 03, 2014, 07:03:41 PM
He's just Out For Justice and wants to remind Russia they're not Above The Law and can't put Ukraine Under Seige unless they want to be Marked For Death. Seems like they're treading On Deadly Ground
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 03, 2014, 07:55:32 PM
I thought him and Putin were sword-crossed lovers so I figure he would be pro-Russia on this one.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 03, 2014, 08:17:33 PM
http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/03/03/on-fox-giuliani-praises-putin-hes-what-you-call/198316

:heh
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 03, 2014, 08:35:00 PM
WASHINGTON—According to a poll released Monday by the Pew Research Center, the escalating conflict between Russia and Ukraine has left Americans sharply and bitterly divided along ignorant and apathetic lines, with the nation’s citizenry evenly split between grossly misinformed and wholly indifferent factions.

“The very real threat of a Russia-Ukraine war has completely polarized the general public, pitting two deeply entrenched blocs against one another: those who have absolutely no clue what they’re talking about and those who couldn’t care less,” said Pew spokesman Andrew Collins, noting that the ouster of Ukraine’s president Viktor Yanukovych and Russia’s subsequent occupation of Crimea has inflamed tensions between the two sides to a level unseen since the height of the war in Syria. “This is not a distinctly regional or socioeconomic split, either. We’re seeing local workplaces, friends, even families ripped in two by their desire to either ignore the whole thing completely or spout an inane, half-witted opinion on it like they’re some geopolitical expert.”

“And as the situation develops and Western powers become more involved, these divisions will only appear more stark,” he added. “In the coming weeks, we can expect to hear a growing cacophony of uninformed and harebrained calls for action or restraint from one side, and absolutely nothing at all from the other.”

Results of the poll found that the two sides are at odds on nearly every facet of the crisis, from last week’s protests in Kiev, to Ukraine’s freeing of former president Yulia Tymoshenko, to Russian president Vladimir Putin’s invasion of the Crimean Peninsula in defiance of Western warnings, with neither group seeing eye-to-eye on any of the developments’ significance—or whether they even have any significance to begin with.

Additionally, nearly half the U.S. public has put forth numerous breathtakingly naive potential solutions to the crisis—which range from economic sanctions on Russia, to economic sanctions on Ukraine, to deploying the U.S. military to the “middle of Asia” to solve the standoff—while an equal number of Americans firmly and repeatedly stated their commitment to not giving a shit one way or the other.

Furthermore, sources are reporting that the deep ideological rift over the Russia-Ukraine conflict is visible in nearly every community and place of work across the country, with disinterested and misinformed Americans confirming they have repeatedly come into conflict in recent days.

“It’s incredibly frustrating to try to talk some sense into someone who doesn’t realize that Crimea’s very freedom as an independent nation is at stake,” said completely ignorant San Jose, CA resident Carol Goldmacher, who admitted that she has clashed constantly in the past week over Ukraine with her staunchly apathetic roommate Lisa Suarez. “Talking to her is like talking to a brick wall. It’s almost as if she doesn’t even want to hear how Putin was kicked out of Ukraine by his own people and then retaliated by invading Crimea. Frankly, no matter how much I tell her that Obama’s this close to breaking his silence and issuing a warning to Russia, it’s just not getting through to her.”

“The bottom line is that Carol’s views aren’t going to affect my opinion,” said Suarez of her roommate’s constant uneducated opinions about John Kerry’s upcoming trip to Kiev and her bizarre personal assertion that the invasion happened “suspiciously close to the Olympics.” “My mind’s made up, and I completely stand by my lack of interest in this issue. So Carol should just keep her mouth shut and let this situation—whatever it is—play out.”

According to reports, most Americans see little chance of the warring camps coming to any sort of reconciliation any time soon, as supporters on both sides appeared committed in their respective efforts to either gravely misconstrue the complicated crisis in Ukraine or remain checked out of the issue entirely. Still, some experts are holding out hope that the two groups may be able to someday see eye-to-eye on the thorny issue of Ukrainian sovereignty and Russian aggression.

“As startling as these two factions’ differences may seem at first, there’s still opportunity for the two sides to come together and reach a compromise on the Ukraine conflict,” said Collins. “When it comes to the situation in Crimea, there’s a middle ground between ignorance and apathy on this issue that I think all Americans could happily live with.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 03, 2014, 08:40:33 PM
Quote from: Lagerless on March 03, 2014, 05:23:56 PM
Yeah it sucks what russia is doing, but the usa throwing a hissy fit over this after iraq and afghanistan is sad.

That said I hope someone sets the ruskies straigth.

Get it?

Think of all the important films the US has produced.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 03, 2014, 09:55:19 PM
 :heh
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: drew on March 04, 2014, 08:16:14 AM
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r126/Drewsy_photobucket/1393925115375.png)
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2014, 09:19:36 AM
Russian market and currency being strangled...bubu what strength and resolve from Putin!
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 04, 2014, 09:28:11 AM
Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/palin_people_think_of_obama_as_weak_wearing_mom_jeans
“Look, the perception of Obama, of him and his potency across the world is one of such weakness," Sarah Palin told Fox News' Sean Hannity. "People are looking at Putin as one who wrestles bears and drills for oil. They look at our president as one who wears mom jeans and equivocates and bloviates.”

(http://i.imgur.com/RjHG5fA.gif)
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 04, 2014, 10:55:19 AM
Look, Obama already lost the Olympics, now he's causing us to get behind Russia in the invasion count too.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 04, 2014, 12:46:32 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/26xuZLj.jpg)
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2014, 09:14:45 PM
https://twitter.com/GrahamBlog/statuses/440876231689793536
https://twitter.com/GrahamBlog/statuses/440920315292811264

Quote
Lindsey GrahamVerified account
‏@GrahamBlog
Putin basically came to the conclusion after Benghazi, Syria, Egypt -  everything Obama has been engaged in - he's a weak indecisive leader.

It started with Benghazi. When you kill Americans and nobody pays a price, you invite this type of aggression. #Ukraine
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 04, 2014, 09:32:40 PM
Osama Bin Laden
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 04, 2014, 10:34:38 PM
Obama invited this this kind of aggression...on the Ukraine...when Russians....killed....Bengazi.  :derp
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2014, 10:37:37 PM
Remember, the United States is the center of the universe and effects everything that happens, but blowback theory is insane and has no basis in reality.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2014, 10:49:39 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 04, 2014, 09:14:45 PM
https://twitter.com/GrahamBlog/statuses/440876231689793536
https://twitter.com/GrahamBlog/statuses/440920315292811264

Quote
Lindsey GrahamVerified account
‏@GrahamBlog
Putin basically came to the conclusion after Benghazi, Syria, Egypt -  everything Obama has been engaged in - he's a weak indecisive leader.

It started with Benghazi. When you kill Americans and nobody pays a price, you invite this type of aggression. #Ukraine

(http://i.minus.com/ivDgOHN9zcOeg.gif)
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 04, 2014, 11:25:01 PM
Lindsey Graham is seriously one of the biggest piles of donkey excrement in the Congress, and that's saying something.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Yeti on March 05, 2014, 12:07:11 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 04, 2014, 09:14:45 PM
https://twitter.com/GrahamBlog/statuses/440876231689793536
https://twitter.com/GrahamBlog/statuses/440920315292811264

Quote
Lindsey GrahamVerified account
‏@GrahamBlog
Putin basically came to the conclusion after Benghazi, Syria, Egypt -  everything Obama has been engaged in - he's a weak indecisive leader.

It started with Benghazi. When you kill Americans and nobody pays a price, you invite this type of aggression. #Ukraine

(http://www.feoamante.com/Movies/B/Butterfly_Effect/TBFPoster.jpg)
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Big Barry Jazz on March 07, 2014, 03:37:05 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/oDJW4ft.jpg)
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 07, 2014, 06:17:17 AM
http://archive.org/details/FBC_20140304_230000_Cavuto#start/2490/end/2520

oh god
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 07, 2014, 09:27:00 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 07, 2014, 06:17:17 AM
http://archive.org/details/FBC_20140304_230000_Cavuto#start/2490/end/2520

oh god

Would've been better if it was Andy Rooney saying that.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 07, 2014, 09:50:27 AM
ha, right after that he uses the schoolyard bully analogy: http://archive.org/details/FBC_20140304_230000_Cavuto#start/2520/end/2550

obama is the weak kid with glasses and an armful of books!
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on March 07, 2014, 10:50:58 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/UvpS3p7.jpg)
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 11, 2014, 05:40:42 AM
After first Benghazi and then his constant defeats by Putin it's no wonder the Korean people turned out in massive support of another strong leader (http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2014/201403/news10/20140310-09ee.html) in comparison to the feckless Obama:
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Central Election Committee Reports on Kim Jong Un's Election as Deputy to SPA

Pyongyang, March 10 (KCNA) -- The election of deputies to the 13th Supreme People's Assembly of the DPRK was successfully held in the DPRK.

The Central Election Committee on Monday released a report on the results of the election of the deputies to the SPA held at Paektusan Constituency No. 111 on Sunday.

According to the report, all the voters of the constituency took part in voting and 100 percent of them voted for Kim Jong Un, first secretary of the Workers' Party of Korea, first chairman of the DPRK National Defence Commission and supreme commander of the Korean People's Army, reflecting the unanimous will and desire of the service personnel and people across the country.

This is an expression of all the service personnel and people's absolute support and profound trust in supreme leader Kim Jong Un as they single-mindedly remain loyal to him, holding him in high esteem as the monolithic center of unity and leadership and a striking demonstration of their revolutionary spirit and indomitable will to make a fresh shining history of Kim Il Sung's and Kim Jong Il's Korea under the leadership of Kim Jong Un.

The DPRK is ushering in the era of great surge in building a thriving socialist nation under the outstanding and tested leadership of Kim Jong Un.

He set it as the supreme programme of the party to model the whole society on Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism, providing a firm organizational and ideological guarantee for developing the WPK into the glorious party of Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il.

He, at the same time, opened a new chapter of the cause of immortalizing the leaders with loyalty and sense of moral obligation, developing the DPRK into the socialist country of Juche which is shining with the idea and the august names of Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il.

He set forth a clear-cut strategy for the Korean revolution to be held fast to for all ages so that the country may advance straight along the road to independence, Songun and socialism under the uplifted banner of Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism, providing an ever-victorious treasured sword for the prosperity and development of the DPRK.

He put forward the Korean People's Army as a reliable scout party and a strong mainstay for the Songun revolution by developing and enriching Kim Il Sung's and Kim Jong Il's strategy and tactics and further bolstered it up as elite revolutionary armed forces. He thus remarkably increased the defense power of the country, firmly protecting the destiny of the socialist country and its people.

He made a new legendary history of love for the people and love for the rising generations with his noble patriotic politics and all-embracing politics, bringing into full bloom the happiness of the great socialist family in which all its members have blood relations with their leader.

He has energetically led the servicepersons and the people to bring about a turning phase in building the economy and improving the people's living standard through a strong wind of Kim Jong Il's patriotism across the country and their patriotic enthusiasm. As a result, the country witnessed steady great successes showing the appearance of a thriving nation.

Thanks to Kim Jong Un's leadership, the DPRK will as ever prosper as the glorious state of Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il and the revolutionary cause of Juche, the revolutionary cause of Songun, is sure to win a final victory.

The Central Election Committee reports that Kim Jong Un, first secretary of the Workers' Party of Korea, first chairman of the DPRK National Defence Commission and supreme commander of the Korean People's Army, was elected deputy to SPA according to the results of the voting confirmed and submitted by the above-mentioned constituency.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on March 12, 2014, 12:29:13 PM
Funeral in Turkey for a teenage boy who died following a 9-month coma after he was hit in the head with a tear gas canister last year

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=586666394754972&stream_ref=10

:whoo
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on March 13, 2014, 12:05:32 AM
http://www.hintmag.com/post/vladimir-putin-is-now-a-butt-plug--march-08-2014-1834
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: T-Short on March 13, 2014, 06:56:53 AM
(http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/russian031114/s_r31_77822169.jpg)

Propaganda poster in Sevastopol for the referendum

"On March 16 we will choose either... or..."
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Reb on March 13, 2014, 07:19:08 AM
When I first saw that, I thought it was shocking, and thought of the North Korean "elections".
But then I thought, there is probably an "Obama is a Nazi" somewhere in Texas, reminding me of the dangers of interpreting a photo without context.

However, the recent 100% pro Russia outcome does smell like large scale Russian influencing.



Ha, googled for Obama billboard:

(http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2010/07/13/anti%20obama%20billboard-87d3535688944ba8fc1f5c34c414144ce22301c5-s40-c85.jpg)
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 13, 2014, 11:30:40 AM
Yeah, there are some pretty bad anti-Obama billboards.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on March 13, 2014, 01:14:57 PM
I remember seeing some teabagger once say Obungler was a NAZI because Owhiteymurdercare was Socialism on a National scale :smug

And then they no joke said that Obamao is the biggest National Socialist threat to America since FDR :dead
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2014, 05:11:00 AM
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Do you have a favorable or an unfavorable opinion of Vladimir Putin, the President of Russia?
Very favorable . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3%
Somewhat favorable . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9%
Somewhat unfavorable . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .30%
Very unfavorable . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .38%
Don’t know . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 21%

Would you say Vladimir Putin is a strong or a weak leader?
Very strong . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 33%
Somewhat strong . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 45%
Somewhat weak . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15%
Very weak . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8%

Would you say Barack Obama is a strong or a weak leader?
Very strong . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 14%
Somewhat strong . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 31%
Somewhat weak . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 26%
Very weak . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 29%
Disgraceful, at this point the only way to maintain America's status in the world is to threaten nuclear retaliation if Putin doesn't back down. But Obama is too weak to show that kind of real leadership.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 14, 2014, 07:29:33 AM
Isn't a factor of Putin's invasion of Crimea that he was starting to lose some face at home and needed a bold stroke to recover his image? He should run for President here instead, or have Medvedev do it
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: T-Short on March 14, 2014, 10:33:27 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on March 14, 2014, 07:29:33 AM
Isn't a factor of Putin's invasion of Crimea that he was starting to lose some face at home and needed a bold stroke to recover his image? He should run for President here instead, or have Medvedev do it

The factor of the invasion is, he ain't giving up those military bases, no way no how. Fuck "protecting ethnic russians", dood wants those bases on lock and that's it. Ukraine after the regime change is moving away from the post-Soviet cleptocracy model that's par for the course in many other ex-USSR republics. Putin and his cadre of ex-KGB guys decided fairly swiftly that a military invention was the way to go, disregarding how this might affect Russia economically and diplomatically. The stability of Russia and the "Eurasian empire" plan is the only priority that matters.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 14, 2014, 11:17:47 AM
Pro-united Ukraine rally was winding down in eastern Ukraine, pro-Russia people moved in and starting getting physical, 3 are dead and dozens more injured:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNqcwSwnybU

Gets really bad starting about 10 minutes in. Just...insane.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 14, 2014, 11:52:57 PM
Quote from: Hyoushi on March 14, 2014, 10:33:27 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on March 14, 2014, 07:29:33 AM
Isn't a factor of Putin's invasion of Crimea that he was starting to lose some face at home and needed a bold stroke to recover his image? He should run for President here instead, or have Medvedev do it

The factor of the invasion is, he ain't giving up those military bases, no way no how. Fuck "protecting ethnic russians", dood wants those bases on lock and that's it. Ukraine after the regime change is moving away from the post-Soviet cleptocracy model that's par for the course in many other ex-USSR republics. Putin and his cadre of ex-KGB guys decided fairly swiftly that a military invention was the way to go, disregarding how this might affect Russia economically and diplomatically. The stability of Russia and the "Eurasian empire" plan is the only priority that matters.

Duh but I was speaking in the context of a poll where Americans think Putin is a strong leader when this whole thing is driven by a loss of influence both domestically and in the former soviet bloc
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: T-Short on March 15, 2014, 02:21:44 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on March 14, 2014, 11:52:57 PM
Quote from: Hyoushi on March 14, 2014, 10:33:27 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on March 14, 2014, 07:29:33 AM
Isn't a factor of Putin's invasion of Crimea that he was starting to lose some face at home and needed a bold stroke to recover his image? He should run for President here instead, or have Medvedev do it

The factor of the invasion is, he ain't giving up those military bases, no way no how. Fuck "protecting ethnic russians", dood wants those bases on lock and that's it. Ukraine after the regime change is moving away from the post-Soviet cleptocracy model that's par for the course in many other ex-USSR republics. Putin and his cadre of ex-KGB guys decided fairly swiftly that a military invention was the way to go, disregarding how this might affect Russia economically and diplomatically. The stability of Russia and the "Eurasian empire" plan is the only priority that matters.

Duh but I was speaking in the context of a poll where Americans think Putin is a strong leader when this whole thing is driven by a loss of influence both domestically and in the former soviet bloc

Well sorry, my sarcasm detector is apparently broken on friday mornings  :(

There I went, off on some rant like my PolSci teacher had asked me to put the word "cadre" into a sentence
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on March 16, 2014, 02:21:35 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bi3isL2CAAAZUIW.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/52kIF.png)
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on March 16, 2014, 02:27:51 PM
This is pro joining Russia, right?
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on March 16, 2014, 02:29:37 PM
Yep
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2014, 02:42:04 AM
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For running commentary on Russia and the vote in Crimea, you might want to follow chess champion turned democracy activist Garry Kasparov: @Kasparov63. Tonight, amid his usual barrage of criticism leveled at Vladimir Putin, he’s turning his fire on President Obama and former secretary of state Hillary Clinton.

Discussing President Carter’s foreign policy, he compliments the former President’s “Very tough stands on human rights.” President Obama, however, he gives lower marks. In response to another tweeter, he writes that when it comes to the crisis in Ukraine, “so far, Carter looks like Churchill in comparison.”

Hillary Clinton, the presumed frontrunner for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2016, doesn’t get treated much better. “Hillary was the captain of the Titanic that was US-Russia relations as Secretary of State. Her as admiral of whole fleet makes me nervous!” Kasparov tweets.

(http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/1WjXn9NZRs4afIsXvvodLQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTUxMTtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz03Njg-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/afp.com/00e49a192d7847360da46ec2db3873af76af734b.jpg)
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On the other side of the square, Lucia Prokorovna, 60, carried a giant white, blue and red Russian flag and shouted with delight: "We're free of the occupation!"

"Ukraine was attached to Crimea like a sack of potatoes," she added.

"Today I visited the polling station -- I only slept half the night hoping for the moment we would be with Russia."

...

As night fell and before the results were announced, thousands descended on the square, where a government building had "Crimean Spring" emblazoned across it with a green laser.

"I want Crimea to join Russia because Russia is home," said one reveller, 36-year-old Aleksiy.

"This is a great day. I'm going to change my passport to a Russian one as soon as I can. Life will be different and better."

Amid a sea of Russian flags, 36-year-old Nikolai Terkach, a hefty builder, chose to carry the red hammer and sickle standard of the former Soviet Union.

"It's the flag of my childhood," he said. "For me, it's a patriotic symbol, something which is in my heart.

"Russia and the USSR are of course not the same thing but today, we're all feeling a sense of victory."

As revellers drank Shampanskoye -- so-called "Soviet Champagne" -- and local brandy, others reflected on what the future might hold.

Tamara Lujkoka, 35, was carrying her two-year-old son in her arms.

"This little one will have no memory of Ukraine and that's good," she smiled.

"He has always been Russian, like us."
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on March 17, 2014, 09:25:02 AM
I still don't see what the big stink is about. 93% of Crimeans are ethnic Russians. Why wouldn't they want to join Russia?
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 17, 2014, 09:27:09 AM
- Isn't it more like 75%?
- They're doing their vote with armed soldiers standing around in their streets
- There are a lot of Russians there because Stalin moved them there and forced out the locals
- The land is Ukraine's territory, should Mexico just go ahead and annex San Diego?
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on March 17, 2014, 09:32:09 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on March 17, 2014, 09:27:09 AM
- The land is Ukraine's territory, should Mexico just go ahead and annex San Diego?
Now would be the best time for Mexico since our weak kneed, dictator-king wouldn't do anything.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: T-Short on March 17, 2014, 10:48:03 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on March 17, 2014, 09:25:02 AM
I still don't see what the big stink is about. 93% of Crimeans are ethnic Russians. Why wouldn't they want to join Russia?

2001 census: 60.4% Russians, 24.0% Ukrainians, 10.2% Crimean Tatars, 1.5% Belarusians, 0.6% Tatars, 0.4% Armenians, 0.2% each of Jews, Poles, Moldovans and Azeris.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 17, 2014, 10:50:46 AM
Quote from: Hyoushi on March 17, 2014, 10:48:03 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on March 17, 2014, 09:25:02 AM
I still don't see what the big stink is about. 93% of Crimeans are ethnic Russians. Why wouldn't they want to join Russia?

2001 census: 60.4% Russians, 24.0% Ukrainians, 10.2% Crimean Tatars, 1.5% Belarusians, 0.6% Tatars, 0.4% Armenians, 0.2% each of Jews, Poles, Moldovans and Azeris.

Can't wait to try one at Taco Bell.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: T-Short on March 17, 2014, 11:03:17 AM
Yeah, annexing areas on the grounds of ethnicity is awesome-wowsome, just ask all these ethnic Georgians north of Tshkinvali that had their villages destroyed by troops in the Russian occupation of 2008:

https://goo.gl/maps/0paoh (https://goo.gl/maps/0paoh)

Pretty much all those Georgian villages all the way up to the border are annihilated, the "ethnic russian" Ossetians built new towns next to them instead.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on March 17, 2014, 11:15:19 AM
Welp, 'we' let Kosovo split off from Serbia, so I guess this is fair game, too.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 17, 2014, 12:57:19 PM
https://twitter.com/DRogozin/statuses/445566766941765632


maybe Obama will cancel their healthcare plans next
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 17, 2014, 01:25:28 PM
Robot J. McCarthy ‏@RedScareBot :lol
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 17, 2014, 01:55:28 PM
Indian politics  :lol

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/10007067_713715148651751_1400159534_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on March 17, 2014, 01:56:45 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on March 17, 2014, 01:25:28 PM
Robot J. McCarthy ‏@RedScareBot :lol

Always getting my tweets nabbed by that.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 17, 2014, 02:05:34 PM
Quote from: Lagerless on March 17, 2014, 01:55:28 PM
Indian politics  :lol

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/10007067_713715148651751_1400159534_n.jpg)

Esch explain.

Spammer Racist party :rejoice
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on March 17, 2014, 03:09:31 PM
what's the relationship between spamming and raping?
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 17, 2014, 03:10:07 PM
Quote from: Brobzoid on March 17, 2014, 03:09:31 PM
what's the relationship between spamming and raping?

Spam is rape in the digital realm?
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 17, 2014, 03:21:35 PM
I'm not 100% certain but I believe Nigerian princes are involved.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 17, 2014, 03:33:00 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 17, 2014, 03:21:35 PM
I'm not 100% certain but I believe Nigerian princes are involved.

Probably with white women

:tocry
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 17, 2014, 03:54:50 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 17, 2014, 03:33:00 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 17, 2014, 03:21:35 PM
I'm not 100% certain but I believe Nigerian princes are involved.

Probably with white women

:tocry
only if they're tourists

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'm going to hell
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Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on March 18, 2014, 11:49:44 AM
Ukraine crisis: Putin signs Russia-Crimea treaty
President Vladimir Putin and the leaders of Crimea have signed a bill to absorb the peninsula into Russia.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26630062

Om nom nom
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Reb on March 20, 2014, 09:48:03 AM
:netherlandscry
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on March 20, 2014, 10:12:11 AM
Moroccan women :rejoice
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on March 20, 2014, 01:27:30 PM
Quote from: Rebiak on March 20, 2014, 09:48:03 AM
:netherlandscry

(http://i.imgur.com/EILfjMf.gif)
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on March 20, 2014, 05:14:56 PM
Some Dutch rapper had him executed in a music video recently. :heh
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 22, 2014, 03:42:06 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w4zaelF1rc

 :ohhh
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 22, 2014, 09:54:43 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 22, 2014, 03:42:06 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w4zaelF1rc

 :ohhh

:rofl
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: tiesto on March 22, 2014, 10:03:20 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2585515/The-new-face-Crimea-Blonde-Russian-seductress-33-regions-new-attorney-general-pictures-emerge-non-military-issue-red-high-heels.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2585515/The-new-face-Crimea-Blonde-Russian-seductress-33-regions-new-attorney-general-pictures-emerge-non-military-issue-red-high-heels.html)

Crimean attorney general inspires anime fan art :uguu

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/20/article-2585515-1C731D4F00000578-752_634x473.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/20/article-2585515-1C7377AA00000578-997_634x523.jpg)
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 23, 2014, 12:28:33 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/U0GPeh4.jpg)
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 23, 2014, 01:15:32 AM
How words do work?
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: drew on March 23, 2014, 01:55:22 AM
magic everywhere in this bitch
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 24, 2014, 01:44:33 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/S1SdcMY.jpg)
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2014, 08:31:14 AM
I'm going to guess someone wrote an article about the terrible sexual objectification this has spawned. *wrings hands*
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 24, 2014, 09:36:30 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2014, 08:31:14 AM
I'm going to guess someone wrote an article about the terrible sexual objectification this has spawned. *wrings hands*

i don't know have you checked kotaku lately
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2014, 10:19:08 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/ArHji0J.jpg)
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
Post by: Mupepe on March 24, 2014, 10:54:12 AM
well shit, she is pretty cute
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : Kawaii International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 24, 2014, 05:13:26 PM
Good thing the World Cup selection process is completely unbiased and immune to corruption.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : Kawaii International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2014, 05:16:54 PM
they've been pulling this shit since they made the Jews build the pyramids
:pacspit
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Post by: Mandark on March 24, 2014, 05:18:53 PM
Which, by the way, are still standing.  That's craftsmanship.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : Kawaii International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2014, 05:20:33 PM
And with no government regulation.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : Kawaii International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2014, 05:38:57 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/TPp0CqS.jpg)

I see no African facial features
(http://i.imgur.com/nIoEAeo.png)
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : Kawaii International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2014, 05:46:58 PM
Well we all came from Adam, after all.

(http://i.imgur.com/7A5DAaA.png)
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : Kawaii International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 24, 2014, 06:14:00 PM
So it turns out I don't have the patience to make good emoticons.

(http://i.imgur.com/EQaSJKu.png)
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : Kawaii International Politics Thread
Post by: Steve Contra on March 24, 2014, 06:17:35 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 24, 2014, 06:14:00 PM
So it turns out I don't have the patience to make good emoticons.

(http://i.imgur.com/EQaSJKu.png)
I'm sure one of our brown members will come and do the work for you #typicalconservative
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2014, 07:38:51 PM
I was going to do it but the job has been outsourced to Esch.
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Post by: Brehvolution on March 24, 2014, 08:53:51 PM
That's emoticonist!

Equal rights for emoticons today!  :maf
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Post by: hampster on March 24, 2014, 09:09:50 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 24, 2014, 06:14:00 PM
So it turns out I don't have the patience to make good emoticons.

(http://i.imgur.com/EQaSJKu.png)

Took some time but I fixed it for you
(http://i.imgur.com/5I3LGMv.png)
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Post by: Atramental on March 24, 2014, 10:16:49 PM
"I-I hope Putin-Senpai notices me today."
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Post by: benjipwns on March 26, 2014, 11:23:14 PM
Will not have these lies about Best Korea spread on here: http://www.nknews.org/2014/03/why-kim-jong-un-hairstyle-order-is-unlikely-true/

OFFICIAL NEWS ONLY: : http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2014/201403/news25/20140325-10ee.html (http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2014/201403/news25/20140325-10ee.html)
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Pyongyang, March 25 (KCNA) -- Ro Kil Nam, representative of Minjok Thongsin, internet paper of Koreans in the U.S., contributed an article titled "Supreme leader Kim Jong Un's love touches compatriots in the north" to the paper.

The article said that the story about Kim Jong Un's love touches everybody.

It went on:

There are so many legendary stories about his love for people and all-embracing politics. To cite just an example, he let a pupil who was exemplary in study and in the Children's Union organizational life take part in the event for celebrating the 66th anniversary of the founding of the Korean Children's Union without any discrimination though the pupil's father had committed a crime against the country.

The stories about his love are gripping the hearts of the compatriots in the north.

That is why all compatriots in the north are expressing profound reverence for their leader.

The DPRK is the only country in the world where the people hold their leader in high esteem.

I could notice such intense loyalty in everybody I met.

This made me keenly realize what sheer lies the U.S. and its supporters are spreading while kicking up smear campaign.

The DPRK respects its sovereignty, projects the popular masses as the leading players of history and lays emphasis on their independence, creativity and conscience.

No guys are so ignorant as describing such society in which all people lead life worthy of man as masters as "society with poor human rights record."

Society in the north is an ideal one desired by mankind.

That's true. There are some in short supply in the north. But in a word, one may say it is sound in all aspects including politics, military, cutting-edge science, music and arts, education and social culture.

The service personnel and people single-mindedly united around their leader move in perfect order.

The leader pursues the politics of believing in people as in Heaven while the service personnel and people hold him in high esteem.

The service personnel and people loudly sing songs "We Know Nobody but You", "Ardent Desire", etc. that reverberate far and wide in the north.

Those songs reflect the warm hearts of the service personnel and people in the north for the leader.

The foundations remain strong and the prospect rosy in all fabrics of society in the DPRK where the Songun politics is in force. Therefore, the DPRK has bright and rosy future.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : Kawaii International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on March 27, 2014, 11:35:45 AM
Not liking this build-up on Ukraine's borders and such. A few days ago I would have just dismissed it as dick-waving but now I'm not so sure.

Hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : Kawaii International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2014, 11:47:11 AM
Belgium's gift to Obama: a life size cookie of him holding a basketball.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjgqChxCMAAas_7.jpg)

It's not racist IMO, it's just tacky :dead
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : Kawaii International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on March 27, 2014, 11:53:15 AM
So embarrassing. So incredibly embarrassing.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : Kawaii International Politics Thread
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 27, 2014, 12:09:49 PM
They do seem pretty proud of themselves though
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : Kawaii International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2014, 12:22:44 PM
Quote from: Esch on March 27, 2014, 12:01:42 PM
Obama likes to play basketball :yeshrug

Exactly, that's why I don't think it's racist.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : Kawaii International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 27, 2014, 01:59:00 PM
Isn't Belgium the country that has Swarthy Pete and their PM was eating an African man cake? I dunno, all these Eurotrash countries are the same.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : Kawaii International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 28, 2014, 07:45:05 AM
http://www.nationaljournal.com/white-house/how-putin-bullies-obama-20140326

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On a playground or in a bar, the most important thing to know about a bully is his motivation. What ticks him off? Who's his next victim? If it's you, how do you avoid a butt-kicking?

On the world stage, Vladimir Putin is a bully—and President Obama not only seems clueless about the Russian leader's inner drive, he embraces his ambivalence. "I'm less interested in motivation," Obama said Monday in The Hague, "and more interested in the facts and the principles that not only the United States but the entire international community are looking to uphold."

Taken at face value, it's a disturbing response from a world leader who should lie awake at night concerned about the motivation of U.S. adversaries, whose first meeting of every day involves an intelligence briefing on the motivations of global actors.

It could be that Obama is playing mind games with Putin, looking into the soul that transfixed President Bush 13 years ago and seeing a man whose greatest weakness is parochial hubris. Want to hurt Putin? Say you don't care about him. In a verbal equivalent of a groin punch, Obama might dismiss Russia as a "regional power" that antagonizes its neighbors "out of weakness."

But it's hard to credit Obama with such savvy calculation. I take him at his word: He doesn't care.

...

"So I think that will be a bad choice for President Putin to make," Obama said, "but, ultimately, he is the president of Russia, and he's the one who's going to be making that decision. He just has to understand there's a choice to be made here."

In other words, the bully has stolen your lunch money without a fight and now you're telling him, "It would be a bad choice to take one more penny from anybody in this lunchroom, Buster!"

...

And the world notices. So when Obama tells the world that "Russia is acting out of weakness," he risks sounding like the guy who gets beat up in a bar then brags about the bully's bloody knuckles.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : Kawaii International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 28, 2014, 08:54:24 AM
Boil down complex international politics to children fighting on a playground, brehs.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : Kawaii International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 28, 2014, 09:05:39 AM
Uh, he references bar fights, so he's clearly an adult.  ::)

Just because you're wearing a suit doesn't mean you get to sit at the grown ups table on cable news and discuss international politics, dog.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : Kawaii International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 28, 2014, 09:13:51 AM
And does Vladimir Putin remind you of your mother? If not, I can't take you seriously as a foreign policy expert.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : Kawaii International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on March 28, 2014, 11:15:37 AM
Quote from: Esch on March 27, 2014, 02:16:33 PM
If were gonna condemn belgium, might as well be because of that dipshit fuck boy Leopold instead of swarte piet

:pacspit
To anyone who doesn't know: you don't want to know. But if you're still curious look at this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_II_of_Belgium#Exploitation_and_atrocities
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : Kawaii International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 28, 2014, 08:14:50 PM
(http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/KIOvOjAuldVKkxV2mnhXaw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTQ1MztweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz02NzU-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/theatlanticwire/Steven_Seagal_Loves_Putin_and-dfe4a8d2d662fe4b8e63ee6f0992f158)
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Post by: Great Rumbler on March 28, 2014, 10:12:52 PM
Putin looks scurred.
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Post by: Yeti on March 28, 2014, 10:14:39 PM
Naw, they're besties now.
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Post by: benjipwns on March 28, 2014, 10:16:05 PM
Forgot to include the quotes:
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In the interview on the set of a movie he is shooting in Romania, Seagal said President Vladimir Putin's "desire to protect the Russian-speaking people of Crimea, his assets, and the Russian Black Sea military base in Sevastopol … is very reasonable."

Criticizing the "idiotic" U.S. policy on Ukraine, Seagal said the American media coverage of the crisis was promoting the agenda of U.S. President Barack Obama.

Seagal, a Republican who is thought to be a relatively close acquaintance of Putin partly due to their shared love of martial arts, said that Putin is "one of the great living world leaders" and that he "would like to consider him as a brother.

...

Rossiskaya Gazeta pumped up the actor's political prowess by mentioning that fellow actors like former California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and former U.S. President Ronald Reagan have played major roles in  politics and saying that Seagal is "no less popular or authoritative in the world today."

...

Seagal also said that although he loves the United States, it is possible — "sometime" — that he will follow the lead of French movie star Gerard Depardieu and take Russian citizenship.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 28, 2014, 10:41:49 PM
Sheriff Joe is mad jelly. He thought he was special, but it turns out Seagal talks to all the authoritarian shitbags like that.  :-[
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : Kawaii International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 28, 2014, 10:51:16 PM
Putin hasn't let him drive an APC into a house to round up uncaged chickens or whatever the fuck it was Joe let him do.

Yet.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 29, 2014, 01:00:03 PM
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2014/03/map.png)

Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : Kawaii International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on March 30, 2014, 11:38:01 AM
Iraqi people are shaking their heads when they know that people in the west have sex before marriage and that gay people are getting married. They think that the west is morally corrupt. Different perspective.

I don't think that the Iraqi people have ever forced their social norms on the west.

Personally, I don't care whatever they want to do with themselves. It's their families, their people, their women, their parliament and their social norms. They know what's right and wrong from their own perspective, just like you think you know the right and wrong.
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : Kawaii International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on March 30, 2014, 11:42:21 AM
Before you jump on me (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=106302212&postcount=24) :hitler
Title: Re: Putin Makes A Move : Kawaii International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on March 30, 2014, 02:40:26 PM
He's like a fat Dick Marcinko.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on March 30, 2014, 07:09:14 PM
Seagal needs to stop rubbing shoe polish in his hair. It's not a good look.
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Post by: benjipwns on March 31, 2014, 04:47:42 AM
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/vladimir-putin-wants-regain-finland-says-close-adviser-1442466

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One of Russian President Vladimir Putin's closest ex-advisers has claimed that the ex-KGB agent ultimately wants to reclaim Finland for Russia.

Andrej Illiaronov, Putin's economic adviser between 2000 and 2005 and now senior member of the Cato Institute think tank, said that "parts of Georgia, Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic States and Finland are states where Putin claims to have ownership."

"Putin's view is that he protects what belongs to him and his predecessors," he said.

When asked if Putin wishes to return to the Russia of the last tsar, Nicholas II, Illiaronov said: "Yes, if it becomes possible."

Illiaronov admits that Finland is not Putin's primary concern at present but, if not stopped in other areas of Eastern Europe, the issue will one day arise. Russian troops are currently massing on the eastern border of Ukraine, following Russia's recent annexation of Crimea.

"Putin said several times that the Bolsheviks and Communists made big mistakes. He could well say that the Bolsheviks in 1917 committed treason against Russian national interests by providing Finland's independence," Illiaronov told a Swedish news website.

He believes that Putin is not planning to invade Ukraine for territorial gain but rather "the goal is a pro-Russian puppet government in Kiev."

"Six years ago Putin conquered Abkhazia and South Ossetia from Georgia. The west let him do it with impunity, and now he has got Crimea," he continued.

"Now, eastern and southern Ukraine is destablised so that the self-defence forces can take power there. If the situation allows, it may be a military invasion."
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Post by: Broseidon on March 31, 2014, 09:08:55 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=m_ndnZZY4hg

ISIS convoy parades through Abu Ghraib
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Post by: Broseidon on March 31, 2014, 09:25:22 AM
Meanwhile in Ukraine

(http://i.imgur.com/DZYL4on.jpg)
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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 31, 2014, 09:49:30 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 31, 2014, 04:47:42 AM
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/vladimir-putin-wants-regain-finland-says-close-adviser-1442466

Thus giving Putin full control over the world's supply of Tom of Finland. That bastard.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1f/DaddyandTheMuscle.jpg)
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Post by: Brehvolution on March 31, 2014, 11:45:50 AM
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Andrej Illiaronov, Putin's economic adviser between 2000 and 2005 and now senior member of the Cato Institute think tank

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The Cato Institute is an American libertarian think tank headquartered in Washington, D.C. It was founded as the Charles Koch Foundation in 1974 by Ed Crane, Murray Rothbard, and Charles Koch,[6] chairman of the board and chief executive officer of the conglomerate Koch Industries.[nb 1] In July 1976, the name was changed to the Cato Institute

 :jawalrus

Hire Russians for your "think tank", brehs.

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Post by: benjipwns on March 31, 2014, 02:44:39 PM
 :teehee

spoiler (click to show/hide)
On Swedish television.  :teehee
[close]
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 04, 2014, 12:43:30 PM
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/george-bush-putin-portrait
:dead

holy shit Putin is like a textbook case of Napoleon Syndrome.
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Post by: benjipwns on April 04, 2014, 03:34:33 PM
Obama or somebody should show him his dick. Putin would probably have statues made of his all over Moscow.
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Post by: Rufus on April 07, 2014, 10:20:51 PM
Not holding my breath that the powers that be will change anything unless it's just about to blow up or has blown up. Germany is deathly afraid of Inflation anyway, as if a new Hitler is going to pop up immediatley.
Title: Re: Riots, Riots Everywhere: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 09, 2014, 10:50:42 AM
But how will they fill their souls without a minimum of 8 hours a day of work?
Title: Re: Riots, Riots Everywhere: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 09, 2014, 10:58:27 AM
The latest in North Korean drone technology: A toy airplane with a Sony Cybershot duct taped to it.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/09/world/asia/korea-drones-military-threat/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
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Post by: Rufus on April 09, 2014, 12:27:20 PM
Quote from: Esch on April 09, 2014, 10:16:40 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/9287715/Israeli-anti-immigration-riots-hit-African-neighbourhood-of-Tel-Aviv.html

:hitler
Boat's full everywhere these days, huh?
Title: Re: Riots, Riots Everywhere: International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on April 09, 2014, 01:26:15 PM
The chosen people telling the non chosen to get out. Sounds demonic. :hitler
Title: Re: Riots, Riots Everywhere: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 14, 2014, 04:03:47 AM
Deadline by the Western neoliberal fascist tyrants in Ukraine for the democratic liberators saving the Eastern cities to leave has the passed.
Title: Re: Riots, Riots Everywhere: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2014, 09:34:25 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/20/world/europe/in-cold-war-echo-obama-strategy-writes-off-putin.html
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Mr. Obama has concluded that even if there is a resolution to the current standoff over Crimea and eastern Ukraine, he will never have a constructive relationship with Mr. Putin, aides said. As a result, Mr. Obama will spend his final two and a half years in office trying to minimize the disruption Mr. Putin can cause, preserve whatever marginal cooperation can be saved and otherwise ignore the master of the Kremlin in favor of other foreign policy areas where progress remains possible.

“That is the strategy we ought to be pursuing,” said Ivo H. Daalder, formerly Mr. Obama’s ambassador to NATO and now president of the Chicago Council on Global Affairs. “If you just stand there, be confident and raise the cost gradually and increasingly to Russia, that doesn’t solve your Crimea problem and it probably doesn’t solve your eastern Ukraine problem. But it may solve your Russia problem.”

...

In effect, Mr. Obama is retrofitting for a new age the approach to Moscow that was first set out by the diplomat George F. Kennan in 1947 and that dominated American strategy through the fall of the Soviet Union. The administration’s priority is to hold together an international consensus against Russia, including even China, its longtime supporter on the United Nations Security Council.

While Mr. Obama’s long-term approach takes shape, though, a quiet debate has roiled his administration over how far to go in the short term. So far, economic advisers and White House aides urging a measured approach have won out, prevailing upon a cautious president to take one incremental step at a time out of fear of getting too far ahead of skittish Europeans and risking damage to still-fragile economies on both sides of the Atlantic.
Hope Hillary still has that "reset" button.


http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117491/obama-and-inconvenience-history-abandoning-ukraine
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The tiresome futurism of Obama, his dogmatic views about what this ritualistically ballyhooed century will be like and what it will not be like, are only a part of what lowers his vision. The bigger problem is that the president feels inconvenienced by history. It refuses to follow his program for it. It regularly exasperates him and regularly disappoints him. It flows when he wants it to ebb and it ebbs when he wants it flow. Like Mr. Incredible, the president is flummoxed that the world won’t stay saved, or agree to be saved at all. After all, he came to save it. And so the world has only itself to blame if Obama is sick of it and going home.
Title: Re: Riots, Riots Everywhere: International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on April 25, 2014, 09:56:22 AM
How could we lose Ukraine if we never had Ukraine?
Title: Re: Riots, Riots Everywhere: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 25, 2014, 10:11:20 AM
Obama needs to just man up and nuke Russia.
Title: Re: Riots, Riots Everywhere: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 25, 2014, 11:03:12 AM
Ukraine is Obama's Benghazi.
Title: Re: In Putin Russia, No Internet for You: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on April 25, 2014, 02:15:44 PM
The Russian government has also assumed control of VK, which is a facebook-like site that's considered the primary social media site in russia and a couple of other countries (kazakhstan, mongolia, etc).

rip ru.net I guess
Title: Re: In Putin Russia, No Internet for You: International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on April 26, 2014, 12:53:58 AM
Which company owns Livejournal? Is Putin-sama reading my LJ now? :uguu
Title: Re: In Putin Russia, No Internet for You: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2014, 01:05:27 AM
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The Ukrainians, the Syrians, the Iranians, the Israelis, the Palestinians, the Egyptians, the Saudis, the Moldovans, the Poles, the Czechs, the Japanese, the Taiwanese, the Baltic populations: they are all living with the jitters, and some of them on the cusp of despair, because the United States seems no longer reliable in emergencies, which it prefers to meet with meals ready to eat.

boo fucking hoo
Title: Re: In Putin Russia, No Internet for You: International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on April 26, 2014, 01:49:51 AM
I dunno about Japan quaking in its boots, but it will be weird if Abe continues pursuing his current saber-rattling, and tries to power up the JSDF against possible incursion by... whom? What? China is at least 30 years away from trying to move out of mainland Asia.
Title: Re: In Putin Russia, No Internet for You: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 26, 2014, 01:59:04 AM
A lot of armchair Presidents poo-poo Obama's decisions on this matter, but not too many of them actually have any worthwhile suggestions for what he should be doing instead.
Title: Re: In Putin Russia, No Internet for You: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2014, 02:04:04 AM
but great rumbler, Obama needs to lead!
Title: Re: In Putin Russia, No Internet for You: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 26, 2014, 02:05:40 AM
Strong and decisive!
Title: Re: In Putin Russia, No Internet for You: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 26, 2014, 02:09:55 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 26, 2014, 01:59:04 AM
A lot of armchair Presidents poo-poo Obama's decisions on this matter, but not too many of them actually have any worthwhile suggestions for what he should be doing instead.
He needs to get tough, strengthen America's hand, create a vision for leadership, don't get pushed around, play the game while threading the needle of diplomacy, show the world America can make decisions, sit down at the table and discuss, but don't be afraid to walk away, and to go all in when the chips are down. And most of all, he needs to remind me of my mother.
Title: Re: In Putin Russia, No Internet for You: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2014, 02:15:03 AM
Too bad Obama isn't trill enough to say "we did that between 2001-2008. How did that work out for us? It didn't. Now if you'll excuse me, I have wars to avoid."
Title: Re: In Putin Russia, No Internet for You: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 26, 2014, 02:21:42 AM
He's basically said that on his apology tour while gutting the military and look where it's gotten us, Putin isn't abiding by the hashtag.
Title: Re: In Putin Russia, No Internet for You: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 26, 2014, 02:24:32 AM
You know, I can never tell if Obama is supposed to be an iron-fisted autocrat who crushes his enemies with jack-booted thugs or a quivering lump of man-flesh too scared to crawl out from under his covers at night.
Title: Re: In Putin Russia, No Internet for You: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2014, 02:25:12 AM
He is probably the weakest Hitler.
Title: Re: In Putin Russia, No Internet for You: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 26, 2014, 02:28:22 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 26, 2014, 02:24:32 AM
You know, I can never tell if Obama is supposed to be an iron-fisted autocrat who crushes his enemies with jack-booted thugs or a quivering lump of man-flesh too scared to crawl out from under his covers at night.
I think you square this circle like with the Bush is distinguished mentally-challenged/masterminded 9-11/fooled John Kerry/etc. by saying he's the latter, but it's all the people behind him who are the former. Cheney in Bush's case, Valerie Jarrett in Obama's.
Title: Re: In Putin Russia, No Internet for You: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2014, 02:32:19 AM
Jarrett? I thought we were trolling, explain this fuckery Benji. She may influence domestic shit but I doubt she has much of any clout in foreig affairs.
Title: Re: In Putin Russia, No Internet for You: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 26, 2014, 02:37:55 AM
She's the one who actually runs everything because Obama is too occupied by his affair with Reggie Love.
Title: Re: In Putin Russia, No Internet for You: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2014, 02:40:20 AM
:tocry

I guess there's always gotta be a casualty in a troll shoot out. You got me.
Title: Re: In Putin Russia, No Internet for You: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 26, 2014, 02:44:48 AM
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/080713-666729-jarrett-gave-benghazi-stand-down-order.htm?ven=rss
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Scandal: The omnipresent power behind the throne some have called the president's Rasputin had the power to call off three strikes against Osama bin Laden. She may have used that power again the night four Americans died in Benghazi.

The Sept. 11, 2012, terrorist attack on our diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, came while America failed to mount a rescue mission despite sufficient time and assets. Included in that disaster were the unaccounted whereabouts of President Obama during eight critical hours, the lack of Situation Room photos, the failure by the president to follow up with subordinates before his trip to Las Vegas and the fabricated story that the whole thing was prompted by an Internet video.

...

One of the people Obama always talks to is Valerie Jarrett. She emerged from the same Chicago cauldron of radicalism where Obama got his ideological baptism.

The Iranian-born Jarrett (her parents were American-born expatriates) is the only staff member who regularly follows the president home from the West Wing to the residence and one of the few people allowed to call the president by his first name.

Her influence is shown by an account in Richard Miniter's book "Leading From Behind: The Reluctant President and the Advisors Who Decide for Him."

It relates that at the urging of Jarrett, Obama canceled the operation to kill Osama bin Laden three times before approving the Navy SEAL mission in Pakistan on May 2, 2011. Seems she was concerned about political harm to Obama if the mission failed.

Miniter writes that the president canceled the kill mission in January 2011, again in February and a third time in March, in each instance at the urging of Jarrett. Miniter cites a source within the Joint Special Operations Command who had direct knowledge of the operation and its planning.

Edward Klein, author of "The Amateur," a best-selling book about Obama, asked Obama if he ran every decision by Jarrett, and the president responded, "Absolutely."

A former foreign editor of Newsweek and editor of the New York Times Magazine, Klein describes Jarrett as "ground zero in the Obama operation, the first couple's friend and consigliere."

Did Obama run the Benghazi decision not to send help past Jarrett that night?

We do know Obama had a face-to-face briefing from Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, early in the evening.

After dinner in his living quarters, Obama and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu discussed Iran and other issues in a two-hour phone call.

Present as the call was made, reports blogger Chip Jones at Conservative Report Online, was Valerie Jarrett, who, as the call was ending, went from the living quarters to the White House Situation Room, where the attack in Benghazi was being monitored by Dempsey, Panetta and other top-ranking officials.

What she may have said and whether the president sent her is unknown. We do know the president retired for the night, and no rescue mission was launched.

Once before, Jarrett had called off the military for political purposes. She may have done it that night as well — an action that would answer many questions and may be what the White House is really hiding.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3092602/posts
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Sunday’s Channel 10 report was not the first to assert a secret US-Iran channel involving Obama aide Jarrett. In November of 2012, the daily Yedioth Ahronoth said Jarrett — a Chicago lawyer born in Shiraz, Iran, to American parents, and good friend of Obama’s — was “a key figure in secret contacts the White House is conducting with the Iranian regime.”

That report said “Jarrett served as the personal and direct emissary of the president to secret meetings with the Iranians, which are understood to have taken place in one of the Gulf principalities.”

http://realityinthenews.wordpress.com/2012/10/21/valerie-jarrett-the-muslim-agent-who-pulls-obamas-strings-moles-in-the-w-house/
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Valerie Jarrett headed Obama’s transition team and personally vetted communist Van Jones and all the other extremists Obama has appointed.

In his book “The Amateur,” Edward Klein points out that Jarrett is the power behind the throne who sits in on every meeting, decides who gets to see the president and monitors who is loyal to Obama and who needs to be gotten rid of. The president reportedly doesn’t make a move without her, and she was the single roadblock to getting bin Laden.

Her religious leanings are not clear.  The media either have not asked or have not gotten an answer.  Many have speculated and others have denied that she, like Obama, is a closet Muslim.

What is clear is that she not only has communist contacts but she is a point man for the Administration in meetings with Muslim activists.

Interestingly enough, Jarrett was named Iranian of the Day in August 2008 by Iranian.com.

She has been associated with the Obamas since their early days in Chicago, and those familiar with her background say that she provided crucial financial backing that helped Obama raise his national profile.

Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, has a chief aide who is connected to the Muslim Brotherhood in Huma Abedeen.  Could Obama’s chief adviser, the woman who has been described as co-president, be a Muslim ringer as well?

The brief article on Iranian.com says Jarrett is Shirazi, but it is unclear whether the writer means that she was born in Shiraz, Iran, or that she is a member of the Swahili subgroup called Shirazi.  The article calls her “African-American and Chicago royalty.” Links in the article to further information go to a mere blank page.

It is in this way that to a large extent, the woman pulling the strings at the White House is as much a mystery as the president himself.

WAKE UP SHEEPLE
Title: Re: In Putin Russia, No Internet for You: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 26, 2014, 09:45:14 AM
Have you ever seen Valerie Jarrett and Bill Ayers together at the same time?  :ohhh
Title: Re: In Putin Russia, No Internet for You: International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on April 28, 2014, 09:46:36 AM
Conservative fan fiction is the best. It turns out you can make this stuff up.  :whew
Title: Re: In Putin Russia, No Internet for You: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2014, 07:40:20 PM
in b4 "family issues" cause Kerry to resign.
Title: Re: In Putin Russia, No Internet for You: International Politics Thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 28, 2014, 07:53:19 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2014, 07:40:20 PM
in b4 "family issues" cause Kerry to resign.

Uncle Ted is on top of it

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ted-cruz-john-kerry-resign

 :american
Title: Re: In Putin Russia, No Internet for You: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 28, 2014, 08:52:16 PM
Quote from: Esch on April 28, 2014, 01:20:44 PM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/27/exclusive-kerry-warns-israel-could-become-an-apartheid-state.html

(http://i.minus.com/jhwfQdJoJNwqv.png)

(http://i.minus.com/jE6tqM7bOn3fY.png)

Ehud Barak said the same thing just four years ago. :teehee

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Quote from: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/feb/03/barak-apartheid-palestine-peace
"As long as in this territory west of the Jordan river there is only one political entity called Israel it is going to be either non-Jewish, or non-democratic," Barak said. "If this bloc of millions of ­Palestinians cannot vote, that will be an apartheid state."
[close]
Title: Re: In Putin Russia, No Internet for You: International Politics Thread
Post by: Mandark on April 29, 2014, 03:31:26 AM
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“A two-state solution will be clearly underscored as the only real alternative. Because a unitary state winds up either being an apartheid state with second-class citizens—or it ends up being a state that destroys the capacity of Israel to be a Jewish state,” Kerry told the group of senior officials and experts from the U.S., Western Europe, Russia, and Japan. “Once you put that frame in your mind, that reality, which is the bottom line, you understand how imperative it is to get to the two-state solution, which both leaders, even yesterday, said they remain deeply committed to.”

Yup.
Title: Re: In Putin Russia, No Internet for You: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2014, 03:37:36 AM
I never understand all this talk about one state or two state solutions. America, the greatest country in the history of the world has FIFTY states. And a star for every single one on the flag. The greatest flag in world history.

They should be trying to top that.
Title: Re: In Putin Russia, No Internet for You: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2014, 07:17:47 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/29/world/middleeast/kerry-apologizes-for-remark-that-israel-risks-apartheid.html?_r=0
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In the statement that Mr. Kerry issued Monday, which bore the title “On Support for Israel,” he said that he had been a staunch supporter of Israel during his years as a senator and had spent many hours since working with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other Israeli officials.

“For more than 30 years in the United States Senate, I didn’t just speak words in support of Israel,” Mr. Kerry said in his statement. “I walked the walk when it came time to vote and when it came time to fight.”

Mr. Kerry added that he did not believe that Israel was an “apartheid state” or intended to become one. Mr. Kerry did not dispute he had used the phrase but said it had led to a “misimpression” about his views.

“If I could rewind the tape, I would have chosen a different word to describe my firm belief that the only way in the long term to have a Jewish state and two nations and two peoples living side by side in peace and security is through a two state solution,” he said.
Title: Re: In Putin Russia, No Internet for You: International Politics Thread
Post by: radioheadrule83 on April 29, 2014, 08:54:12 AM
Sad that he's having to back-peddle - he is fucking spot on. Its an apartheid state already.
Title: Re: In Putin Russia, No Internet for You: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 29, 2014, 09:21:07 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on April 29, 2014, 07:17:47 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/29/world/middleeast/kerry-apologizes-for-remark-that-israel-risks-apartheid.html?_r=0


::)
Title: Re: In Putin Russia, No Internet for You: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2014, 10:37:19 AM
Kerry's next House hearing will be quite entertaining.

Title: Re: In Putin Russia, No Internet for You: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2014, 10:41:26 AM
Replace the hat with a Washington Wizards fitted.

:mandark
Title: Re: In Putin Russia, No Internet for You: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2014, 08:11:42 PM
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Joseph Nye, North American chairman of the Trilateral Commission, sent Kerry a letter profusely apologizing: "I am very distressed that Mr. Rogin somehow gained entrance to the meeting room but also that he blatantly ignored the clearly stated rules we had established and under which you agreed to appear before the Commission. His actions tarnish the Commission's excellent reputation for honoring this pledge and that of all those who attended the session and did keep it."
Mr. Rogin better watch the interest rates on his loans.
Title: Re: In Putin Russia, No Internet for You: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 05, 2014, 05:36:58 PM
Absolutely gut-wrenching.
Title: Re: In Putin Russia, No Internet for You: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 06, 2014, 07:20:04 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/04/dennis-rodman-kim-jong-un-uncle_n_5256134.html

Western media annihilated.
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2014, 12:10:46 AM
I fully support drone usage in this case. These dudes need to get got
:what
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 08, 2014, 12:26:18 AM
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More than 1,500 people have died in their attacks so far this year.

:holeup :what

Just drop a squad of Green Berets on these guys already. It's well past time for it.
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on May 08, 2014, 07:01:17 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/RJ6FL2j.png)

NYT article (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/08/world/africa/islamist-militants-kill-hundreds-in-northeastern-nigeria.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytimes)
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 08, 2014, 07:35:11 AM
I'm not saying the world would be a better place if we all just took a week and killed all the ignorant people... but the world would be a better place if we all just took a week and killed all the ignorant people.
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 08, 2014, 08:52:51 AM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/tens-of-thousands-dead-in-ongoing-africa,28201/
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2014, 10:13:05 AM
I'm not advocating troops or some major intervention, however I've always supported limited drone use. Would make sense to take those Muslim Africunts out.
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 08, 2014, 10:24:23 AM
When is the Iron Man suit thing gonna be usable? Send in like 10 dudes in those to kill all those fuckwits.
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on May 08, 2014, 10:31:11 AM
If only they had oil.
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on May 08, 2014, 10:54:06 AM
I was kidding. It was a poor attempt at pointing out, "if only there was a better reason to get involved than just human rights violations."
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on May 08, 2014, 11:14:39 AM
Hm, hm. Have they been consorting with the Russians at all?
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Positive Touch on May 08, 2014, 11:16:38 AM
Quote from: Esch on May 08, 2014, 10:28:16 AM
Nah. Id prefer Nigeria to sort this out on their own unless they specifically demand our help.

i dont think a u.s. situation is gonna work out ideal because it never does, but as far as the nigerian government taking care of it? the presidents wife had her own "protest" the other day, where she called for an end to all other protests - in the name of peace - and then had the protest leaders arrested. so...
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2014, 11:24:16 AM
you mean it's Hillary Clinton's fault.
(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/troll.png)
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/07/hillary-s-state-department-refused-to-brand-boko-haram-as-terrorists.html
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2014, 12:40:53 PM
honestly the whole "hashtag major foreign events" thing has always been wack. An effortless way to show you care about shit you probably don't care about. Not saying Michelle doesn't care, just talking broadly.
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on May 08, 2014, 12:43:25 PM
http://www.compareafrique.com/dear-americans-hashtags-wont-bringbackourgirls-might-actually-making-things-worse/

Oh Michelle is #concerned alright :hitler
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on May 08, 2014, 12:47:43 PM
Bonus negative rep if you say hashtag out loud.  :yuck What's the difference between a pound sign and a hashtag?
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Positive Touch on May 08, 2014, 12:51:24 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2014, 12:40:53 PM
honestly the whole "hashtag major foreign events" thing has always been wack. An effortless way to show you care about shit you probably don't care about. Not saying Michelle doesn't care, just talking broadly.

eh disagree, as ive seen plenty of hashtags that ripple into mainstream media. and in this case the tag was started by nigerians who were mad that their government was stonewalling them and the foreign midea was ignoring them. the tag successfully got them more attention.
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 08, 2014, 12:52:18 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on May 08, 2014, 11:16:38 AM
Quote from: Esch on May 08, 2014, 10:28:16 AM
Nah. Id prefer Nigeria to sort this out on their own unless they specifically demand our help.

i dont think a u.s. situation is gonna work out ideal because it never does, but as far as the nigerian government taking care of it? the presidents wife had her own "protest" the other day, where she called for an end to all other protests - in the name of peace - and then had the protest leaders arrested. so...

She was also saying a few days ago that the reports of 273 kidnapped girls were made-up stories to make her husband look bad. So...yeah.
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 08, 2014, 02:26:17 PM
Quote from: Esch on May 08, 2014, 02:07:34 PM
Quote from: Brobzoid on May 08, 2014, 12:43:25 PM
http://www.compareafrique.com/dear-americans-hashtags-wont-bringbackourgirls-might-actually-making-things-worse/

Oh Michelle is #concerned alright :hitler

Shit. See? I called it. And as (http://i.minus.com/jEW89YM0OCS32.png) as some might view this issue, its how they feel and AmeriKKKa should respect it.

I'm pretty sure many of these people would rather continue fighting and dying on their own terms rather than approve intervention from us. Can't blame them either.

On the other hand, PD, known Republican voter, says we need drones blowing up black people and we need them now.
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on May 08, 2014, 06:17:04 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2014, 12:40:53 PM
honestly the whole "hashtag major foreign events" thing has always been wack. An effortless way to show you care about shit you probably don't care about. Not saying Michelle doesn't care, just talking broadly.

#tcot
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2014, 06:19:04 PM
Quote from: Esch on May 08, 2014, 02:33:43 PM
It wouldn't be the first time we've seen PD shit on Nigerians

(http://i.imgur.com/WJyHzVE.gif)

You weren't here when he invited me to "party" with him on MSU's campus so he could jump me  :lol
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2014, 07:13:29 PM
Nah dude is like 5'7
:neogaf
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: brawndolicious on May 08, 2014, 07:30:32 PM
Why drones? Even if you find them they have hundreds of kidnapped girls.

It's crazy how that one CNN article Esch posted shows US and Nigeria aren't even sure if Boko Haram has hundreds of members or thousands. I guess they're too well hidden in the general population similar to the Taliban, the Vietcong, and Mujahideen.

I kind of find it hard to believe that a significant proportion of the Nigerian Muslim population supports BH though, they already have some level of Sharia law in that half of the country.
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on May 08, 2014, 09:27:38 PM
Did Boko Haram kidap you mid-sentence? Post if you're okay :-*
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 08, 2014, 09:59:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUnNjClBgzc
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2014, 10:28:37 PM
Quote from: Esch on May 08, 2014, 10:00:49 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2014, 07:13:29 PM
Nah dude is like 5'7
:neogaf

You seem pretty shook to me :hitler

I just don't want to catch a murder charge due to a fuckboy testing me out in these streets. Gotta stay out of jail for at least one more year to qualify for #BlackExcellence
 :obama
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 09, 2014, 12:30:09 AM
Quote from: Esch on May 08, 2014, 11:20:16 AM
If we do intervene, people will cite AFRICOM as some sort of africa invasion/control plan as they have for years now, and nobody will give us the credit for a job well done. Ive been browsing comments on both stories and people think Boko Haram is somehow our fault to start with anyway. I say screw that shit. Its not our job to make sure the world runs a certain way and when we do it, its thankless

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iiv-6fMKyY
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 09, 2014, 12:38:23 AM
Quote from: Esch on May 09, 2014, 12:36:15 AM
I didnt know Randy Newman had deep album cuts like that :dead :ohhh

Still... Nah.
:what
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: brawndolicious on May 09, 2014, 12:40:08 AM
Quote from: Broseidon on May 08, 2014, 09:27:38 PM
Did Boko Haram kidap you mid-sentence? Post if you're okay :-*

I'm okie.
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 09, 2014, 12:52:45 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on May 08, 2014, 07:30:32 PM
It's crazy how that one CNN article Esch posted shows US and Nigeria aren't even sure if Boko Haram has hundreds of members or thousands
Quite frankley, Boko Haram sounds made up. Like Todd Gack.

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The Congregation of the People of Tradition for Proselytism and Jihad[2][3] (Arabic: جماعة اهل السنة للدعوة والجهاد‎ Jamāʻat Ahl as-Sunnah lid-daʻwa wal-Jihād), better known by its Hausa name Boko Haram
I think the former has a mosque down by Wendy's.

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Founded by Mohammed Yusuf in 2002
Like I'm supposed to believe this. It's just a mashup name of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Ramzi Yousef.

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Its weapons expert, second-in-command and arms manufacturer was Momodu Bama
Hmmm take out "du", move the O over and...
(https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t1.0-9/q71/s720x720/10172840_10152129919611936_6167212921112716827_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 10, 2014, 04:02:00 PM
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Saudi Arabia’s grand mufti, the top religious authority in the birthplace of Islam, has condemned Nigeria’s Boko Haram as a group “set up to smear the image of Islam” and condemned its kidnapping of over 200 schoolgirls.
Sheikh Abdulaziz Al al-Sheikh said the radical movement, which says it wants to establish a “pure” Islamic state in Nigeria, was “misguided” and should be “shown their wrong path and be made to reject it.”
His remarks came as religious leaders in the Muslim world, who often do not comment on militant violence, joined in denouncing Boko Haram leader Abubakar Shekau for saying Allah had told him to sell off the kidnapped girls as forced brides.
“This is a group that has been set up to smear the image of Islam and must be offered advice, shown their wrong path and be made to reject it,” he told the Arabic-language newspaper al-Hayat in an interview published on Friday.
“These groups are not on the right path because Islam is against kidnapping, killing and aggression,” he said. “Marrying kidnapped girls is not permitted.”
Boko Haram militants kidnapped some 250 girls on April 14 from a secondary school in Chibok village, near the Cameroon border, while they took exams. Fifty have since escaped.
http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2014/05/10/saudi-arabias-top-cleric-says-nigerias-boko-haram-smears-islam/

this is like Uncle Luke telling you that your lyrics are too explicit.
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2014, 08:28:57 AM
Donetsk tries "vote as many times as you want" election:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnWj8DjIQAE7X0u.jpg)

Apparently shredding spoiled ballots. (neoliberal western media calls them "no" votes)
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on May 12, 2014, 10:18:37 AM
VICE has been killing it this season. Some good stuff on Nigeria.
http://www.hbo.com/vice/episodes/02/18-the-resource-curse-deliver-us-from-drought/video/season-2-episode-8-preview.html#/
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 12, 2014, 11:47:07 AM
Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/allen-west-boko-haram-nigeria-distracting-from-benghazi
The Obama administration is latching onto a mass kidnapping in Nigeria as part of a "wag the dog" ploy to draw Americans' attention away from the truth about the Benghazi attacks, according to former Rep. Allen West (R-FL).

Last month, West argued on his blog that Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling's racist remarks and subsequent ban from the NBA were receiving an undue amount of coverage compared to still-unanswered questions about the 2012 attacks in Libya. The Fox News contributor went a step further on Monday when he implied that first lady Michelle Obama attempted to distract from Benghazi by decrying a radical Islamist group's abduction of more than 270 Nigerian schoolgirls.

"Are we witnessing an Obama 'Wag the Dog' moment with Boko Haram in Nigeria?" West wrote. "I say yes."

The first lady joined a Twitter hashtag campaign, #BringBackOurGirls, last week to raise awareness of the missing girls captured by Boko Haram:

West questioned the timing of the first lady's advocacy before invoking Benghazi, the scandal enveloping the Department of Veterans Affairs and the spiraling situation in Ukraine as examples of what he deems to be more pressing issues facing the Obama administration.

"So what better time than right now, to create the straw man of Boko Haram, another distraction for which no real action will take place," he wrote. "Anyone remember Joseph Kony?"

Conservative radio host Laura Ingraham similarly blasted Democrats on Thursday for not beating the same "powerful drumbeat for justice" for the Benghazi attacks as they are now for the kidnapping in Nigeria.

I'd compare these people and their platform to a cesspool, but at least cesspools serve a useful function.
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 12, 2014, 12:54:21 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on May 12, 2014, 12:45:07 PM
What happened with the VA is goddamn criminal, and I'm surprised that story isn't getting more attention, particularly since it's such an obvious home run for the "socialized medicine = death and rationing" argument.
I saw a conservative opinion piece on it somewhere last week. The crux was that this was more evidence of Obama not caring about or understanding the military.

It's like bro, this is tee ball here, not even a slow pitch.
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 12, 2014, 12:56:20 PM
The VA situation, like Boko Haram in Nigeria, is actually a PRESSING ISSUE since it involves an ongoing problem that needs to be addressed sooner rather than later so that more people aren't effected. But, of course, this is all a distraction from whether someone in the White House changed a couple of words on a memo.
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on May 13, 2014, 12:57:56 PM
:ohhh
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2014, 01:26:56 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 12, 2014, 12:54:21 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on May 12, 2014, 12:45:07 PM
What happened with the VA is goddamn criminal, and I'm surprised that story isn't getting more attention, particularly since it's such an obvious home run for the "socialized medicine = death and rationing" argument.
I saw a conservative opinion piece on it somewhere last week. The crux was that this was more evidence of Obama not caring about or understanding the military.

It's like bro, this is tee ball here, not even a slow pitch.

A better argument would be that it's another example of an ineffective, poorly managed government under this administration. The VA has been shit for years but Obama got into office arguing for smarter, more effective government - using a "scalpel" to cut out abuse and inefficiency. 6 years later and it's still just as bloated, and many areas that needed reform weren't addressed. I've mentioned it before but the thing that really rustled my jimmies was during the healthcare website fiasco, when Obama was lamenting how ineffective the government's IT contract situation is. Basically lobbyists for big companies write the regulation rules to ensure smaller contractors/companies can't even submit applications, and that played a role in the site being a fuck up. He was saying this like he was some helpless bystander - not the fucking President of the United States who can easily begin to reform how his administration handles shit like this. It just struck me as pathetic.

BTW the dudes who created his insanely effective online re-election campaign were barred from bidding on the healthcare.gov contract due to said regulations.
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on May 13, 2014, 06:51:34 PM
Quote from: Esch on May 13, 2014, 12:54:48 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/cocaine-use-in-britain-so-high-it-has-contaminated-our-drinking-water-report-shows-9350477.html

:whew please explain Broseidon

Brit booger sugar game really that deep :leon
I'd be really interested in the hotspots. I have a feeling City bankers throw coke parties like clockwork. :lol
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2014, 10:24:44 PM
 :dayum
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Positive Touch on May 13, 2014, 10:34:20 PM
girls < drones < benghazi
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 13, 2014, 11:47:51 PM
The side effects of drone warfare are pretty bad, there's no denying that, but, like, Boko Haram rolled into some town and straight up slaughtered 300 people and then burned the whole town to the ground. Even stacked up against other things that are bad, Boko Haram is really bad.
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 14, 2014, 12:35:51 AM
There should be a word for a selfie where someone else is holding the camera.
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2014, 12:46:15 AM
argue over the preferred nomenclature of photography, brehs
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Yeti on May 14, 2014, 12:49:25 AM
How about a youfie?

#youfie
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 14, 2014, 01:13:16 AM
:kobeyuck
Title: Re: Nigeria is Fucked Up: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2014, 01:27:01 AM
Hey remember when conservatives literally cheered that this country wouldn't host the Olympics because Obama?
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: Yeti on May 14, 2014, 01:53:28 AM
Quote
"There is no use crying over spilt milk,"

 :holeup
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 14, 2014, 11:24:02 AM
Give nice things to third-world hellholes, brehs.
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: Diunx on May 14, 2014, 11:38:59 AM
Pure blatant racism at work, no latin american country should support the Olympics, apparently nazy germany was good enough for them but not Brazil. (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/camby.png)
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2014, 07:18:37 PM
Quote from: Diunx on May 14, 2014, 11:38:59 AM
Pure blatant racism at work, no latin american country should support the Olympics, apparently nazy germany was good enough for them but not Brazil. (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/camby.png)

I'd rather get the silent treatment in Nazi Germany than shanked in Brazil.
 :umad
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: Positive Touch on May 18, 2014, 02:33:51 AM
MANDARK CONTROL YOUR PEOPLE
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 18, 2014, 03:00:12 AM
Quote from: Positive Touch on May 18, 2014, 02:33:51 AM
MANDARK CONTROL YOUR PEOPLE

Pamela Gellar  :yeshrug
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 18, 2014, 10:37:22 AM
I would hope that we can all agree a $25 minimum wage probably wouldn't be feasible.

Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on May 18, 2014, 11:37:33 AM
Quote from: Esch on May 18, 2014, 03:03:51 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/16/world/asia/india-narendra-modi-profile/

Modi is poised to take the seat of India. Hard to say how I feel about him. I identify with him as a gujurati, and he has done some great things for our state. I see him as being very good for India in terms of structure and business, but I feel as though there's definitely an intolerant horizon on his rule; it will not be kind to the muslims given his past history. He strikes me as having the potential to become a very dangerous ruler in these economically and culturally insecure times for India. But maybe im just fearful? I don't know. I believe he can and will change India, for better and worse. Thats all I can say.

Edit: there is just this hitleresque energy he has about him that disturbs me and sets off a lot of my cautionary buttons, and not just because hes a BJP right winger. India has severe social issues that need to be addressed and I'm 100% sure he will ignore them or address them poorly.

Whenever I hear about Modi he's always described as a right-wing Nationalist. Also hear his supporters often saying how India needs a "strong leader" like him, which is language to throw a side-eye at in the best of times.
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: tiesto on May 18, 2014, 11:51:50 AM
A few of my friends, both Indian and non, were happy with the Modi win... but bear in mind that when it comes to western politics, these are the same people who support Ron Paul.
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on May 18, 2014, 06:07:01 PM
So it looks like there's yet another coup attempt underway in Tripoli. This one seems to be a pretty serious deal this time.
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on May 19, 2014, 12:53:01 PM
Some people think Egypt might intervene. I wouldn't rule it out. Also wouldn't be surprised if they had a hand in the whole thing.
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on May 19, 2014, 07:21:57 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-27480845

:beli
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 20, 2014, 02:50:52 PM
I can't wait until we achieve a post-racial society like Europe. :aah
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2014, 02:51:50 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on May 20, 2014, 02:50:52 PM
I can't wait until we achieve a post-racial society like Europe. :aah

I can't wait until Britian is a Muslim country
:rejoice
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2014, 02:52:32 PM
Should've painted the mannequin. Though the key is getting the right color shoe polish.
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2014, 08:01:09 PM
Russia is fucked long term, I really don't understand the point of their recent behavior.
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2014, 08:21:54 PM
Quote from: Esch on May 20, 2014, 08:17:42 PM
Can we digest this for a minute?

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On a bad day, breathing the air in Beijing is equivalent to smoking 21 cigarettes.

:dead

Man if the US could get some minor shit together we'd have no problem sailing over China and Russia over the next 20 years. And India assuming this presidency goes as poorly as I assume it will.

Actually we don't even need to project out long term, Russia is fucked in the near future. I don't see Putin backing down either, which will prolong the pain.

But remember guys, Obama is the weak one being embarrassed by the manly Putin. :obama
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2014, 08:33:45 PM
Not after Pakistan gives you that work
:trollbron:
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 20, 2014, 09:23:25 PM
Quote from: Esch on May 20, 2014, 08:17:42 PM
Can we digest this for a minute?

Quote
On a bad day, breathing the air in Beijing is equivalent to smoking 21 cigarettes.

:dead

Pollution in parts of China is absolutely insane, it makes LA look like the Biodome or something.
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2014, 09:36:55 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 20, 2014, 09:23:25 PM
Quote from: Esch on May 20, 2014, 08:17:42 PM
Can we digest this for a minute?

Quote
On a bad day, breathing the air in Beijing is equivalent to smoking 21 cigarettes.

:dead

Pollution in parts of China is absolutely insane, it makes LA look like the Biodome or something.

Imagine how sick that population is going to be in 10-20 years.
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 20, 2014, 09:59:28 PM
Imagine how bad things will be if they don't start trying to curb pollution.
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on May 21, 2014, 06:14:16 AM
Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on May 20, 2014, 10:29:35 PM
and it all blows over the sea to here

which gives people here ammo to feed hatred of chinese

which is about the last thing japan needs right now

Yeah, even my 9-year-old was feeling incensed over Abe's latest rhetoric. I mean, Bush Jr. really opened up the possibility of overseas military involvement for Japan, with the request that they be on hand to supply forces in Iraq. That was a seriously weird request to a country which ostensibly is only allowed a limited Self-Defense Force.
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 21, 2014, 11:50:38 AM
Can't believe I had to go to GAF to learn about the Nazi Muslim Neoliberal Sheikh* coup in India: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=822142

spoiler (click to show/hide)
*Yes, he's actually Zelda in disguise.
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Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: Steve Contra on May 21, 2014, 01:55:20 PM
Quote from: Esch on May 21, 2014, 12:33:23 PM
http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/thelede/2014/05/20/young-iranians-arrested-for-being-happy-in-tehran/

:ufup
I'll go ahead and agree that "Happy" should be criminalized.
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on May 21, 2014, 02:03:17 PM
Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on May 21, 2014, 10:17:53 AM
I think the majority of Japanese are extremely anti-war, but there's no other viable party to vote for besides the Conservative party.

The JCP is often the only other party that will run in local elections.  :lol
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: T-Short on May 22, 2014, 09:52:05 AM
Le Pen senior is basically just self-parody at this point

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/21/jean-marie-le-pen-ebola-population-explosion-europe-immigration (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/21/jean-marie-le-pen-ebola-population-explosion-europe-immigration)
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: a slime appears on May 22, 2014, 10:01:02 AM
Quote from: chronovore on May 21, 2014, 06:14:16 AM
Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on May 20, 2014, 10:29:35 PM
and it all blows over the sea to here

which gives people here ammo to feed hatred of chinese

which is about the last thing japan needs right now

Yeah, even my 9-year-old was feeling incensed over Abe's latest rhetoric. I mean, Bush Jr. really opened up the possibility of overseas military involvement for Japan, with the request that they be on hand to supply forces in Iraq. That was a seriously weird request to a country which ostensibly is only allowed a limited Self-Defense Force.

It's inevitable that Japan will re-militarize and with the US's support. China can't really go uncontested in that region especially after the bullshit with the Senkaku Islands (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/24/obama-in-japan-backs-status-quo-in-island-dispute-with-china) and their ridiculous ADIZ expansion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Defense_Identification_Zone_%28East_China_Sea%29) which cuts deep into Japanese and Korean waters. India was supposed to be China's equal in the 80's and eventually overtake them but obviously that never happened so the only other option is Japan.
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on May 22, 2014, 11:11:27 AM
Quote from: Broseidon on May 19, 2014, 07:21:57 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-27480845

:beli

Coup'd.
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on May 22, 2014, 09:32:19 PM
Quote from: a slime appears on May 22, 2014, 10:01:02 AM
Quote from: chronovore on May 21, 2014, 06:14:16 AM
Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on May 20, 2014, 10:29:35 PM
and it all blows over the sea to here

which gives people here ammo to feed hatred of chinese

which is about the last thing japan needs right now

Yeah, even my 9-year-old was feeling incensed over Abe's latest rhetoric. I mean, Bush Jr. really opened up the possibility of overseas military involvement for Japan, with the request that they be on hand to supply forces in Iraq. That was a seriously weird request to a country which ostensibly is only allowed a limited Self-Defense Force.

It's inevitable that Japan will re-militarize and with the US's support. China can't really go uncontested in that region especially after the bullshit with the Senkaku Islands (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/24/obama-in-japan-backs-status-quo-in-island-dispute-with-china) and their ridiculous ADIZ expansion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Defense_Identification_Zone_%28East_China_Sea%29) which cuts deep into Japanese and Korean waters. India was supposed to be China's equal in the 80's and eventually overtake them but obviously that never happened so the only other option is Japan.

WELL, HEY. I guess we can look forward to even more ludicrous deficit spending then. And more likely than not, there'll be a push to use US military equipment or at least designs, leading to more US lobbying to support this eventual move by Japan, feeding into the military industrial complex for the USA.

Fffffuuuuu...
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 22, 2014, 09:33:53 PM
Fingers crossed for a Gung Ho remake set at a weapons manufacturer.
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: a slime appears on May 23, 2014, 09:00:18 AM
This all happened in just the past 6 months:
Whether or not something happens is obviously conjecture but Japan is certainly getting ready for something.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:chinacry :japancry :usacry
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Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 23, 2014, 09:16:24 AM
There's too much at stake for such a confrontation. Seems more like a show of nationalism than steps to real war.
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: a slime appears on May 23, 2014, 09:20:08 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 23, 2014, 09:16:24 AM
There's too much at stake for such a confrontation. Seems more like a show of nationalism than steps to real war.

I think you're absolutely right, or at least I really hope you are lol. I'm just a little concerned about the consequences. Especially after what's going on with Russia.
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on May 24, 2014, 04:18:07 AM
As promised, here you go Esch.

http://marxistleninist.wordpress.com/2011/05/19/a-question-of-state-revolution-china-market-socialism/
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: Big Barry Jazz on May 24, 2014, 06:31:11 AM
Quote from: Esch on May 20, 2014, 02:46:56 PM
Broseidon please explain :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/sainsburys-offers-shoppers-chance-to-get-the-slave-look-with-12-years-a-slave-display-mannequin-9395708.html


What the hell? I usually go in that store every other day and never noticed it. They must have got it down pretty quickly.
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 24, 2014, 03:26:58 PM
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Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2014, 02:46:30 AM
EU elections

 :lawd :dead :whew :rejoice :umad

Quote
France National Front storm to victory - 25%, 25 seats; Centre-right UMP 21%; President Hollande's Socialists a poor third with 14% - lowest ever EP score
Britain Eurosceptic UKIP in first place, with 27%, Conservatives on 24% and Labour about 25%, Greens beating Lib Dems
Italy Centre-left PM Matteo Renzi scores strong 40%, fending off ex-comic Beppe Grillo's anti-establishment Five Star with 22%, and ex-PM Silvio Berlusconi's Forza Italia with 16%
Germany Angela Merkel wins another election - 35% for her Christian Union, 27% for the centre-left SPD. Eurosceptic AfD score strong 7%
Greece Partial results show far-left Syriza on 26%, PM Antonis Samaras' New Democracy on 23%. Far-right Golden Dawn set to get three MEPs, with 9%
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: milchs evil twin on May 26, 2014, 03:39:29 AM
I'm fascinated by the results of the AfD, mainly because they stole votes from other parties across the whole spectrum.
There's about 110,000 voters who went from the far left Linke to the very much right wing AfD despite their rhetoric about keeping people out of the social system.

At least it looks like Die PARTEI got a seat. Sample poster:

(http://www.tornante.pf-control.de/blog1/wp-content/uploads/deutscher_pimmel_120.jpg)

("Hands off the German dick. No to the EU norm penis!")
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2014, 03:44:24 AM
AfD's logo kinda looks like a dick too. And the Nike swoosh.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/Alternative-fuer-Deutschland-Logo-2013.svg/230px-Alternative-fuer-Deutschland-Logo-2013.svg.png)
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 26, 2014, 02:06:50 PM
The EU election results came in and UKIP was the leading party in the UK and the National Front was the leading party in France.  Remember when GAF was really hyping up the Liberal Democrats and Nick Clegg as the future of UK politics?  I think Cheebs was one of those people.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/european-election-results-2014-farright-parties-flourish-across-europe-in-snub-to-austerity-9434069.html
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2014, 02:10:37 PM
Anything that lets me laugh at the UK is fine with me.
:umad
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 26, 2014, 02:41:03 PM
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One candidate for the far-right Austrian Freedom Party was forced to withdraw after he called the EU a “conglomerate of Negroes”.

Quote
But her key ally – Geert Wilders of the Dutch Freedom Party – has seen his party drop two seats in the Parliament, after a xenophobic outburst in which he asked his supporters if they would like “fewer Moroccans” in The Netherlands.

Quote
Golden Dawn – whose supporters perform Nazi salutes and have been arrested for assaulting migrants – managed to get around 10 per cent of the vote, sending at least two MEPs to Brussels.

:neogaf
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: Fifstar on May 26, 2014, 04:38:25 PM
Quote from: milchs evil twin on May 26, 2014, 03:39:29 AM
I'm fascinated by the results of the AfD, mainly because they stole votes from other parties across the whole spectrum.
There's about 110,000 voters who went from the far left Linke to the very much right wing AfD despite their rhetoric about keeping people out of the social system.

At least it looks like Die PARTEI got a seat. Sample poster:

(http://www.tornante.pf-control.de/blog1/wp-content/uploads/deutscher_pimmel_120.jpg)

("Hands off the German dick. No to the EU norm penis!")

Linke is the most euro sceptic party of the established parties, so they have that in common. Plus lots of protest voters.
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on May 26, 2014, 06:11:31 PM
Glad you enjoyed the link, Esch. I also highly recommend IWW agitprop for its complete lack of self-awareness.

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on May 24, 2014, 06:22:41 AM
maybe i don't understand socialism well, but shouldn't a socialist system avoid horrific class divides?  and how can they be considered to be battling imperialism when china themselves are engaged in worse imperialistic behaviour than almost any other country?

if china is considered socialist, even loosely, then socialism is a pile of worthless garbage that is saddled with all of the same failings as capitalism's extremes.  but in my opinion, they're even less socialist than fucking canada.

It depends on what you mean by socialism. To a M-L, socialism is a step on the path to communism, and it will still have many of the warts that prior stages of economic development had because it's still a society based around subsistence. (The origin of all class divides is the allocation of the methods necessary to subsist.)
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on May 27, 2014, 12:30:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7kWX5FZWek&app=desktop

:dead

King Abdullah's reaction to seeing the Syrian ambassador (20 seconds). http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-27580654
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2014, 09:32:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR-lAGj_dlQ

all they need is a charismatic, powerful leader. And this time the US will be too broke to save them.  :win
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 27, 2014, 09:49:50 PM
I'm pumped, DICE puts out some great game trailers.
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Positive Touch on May 27, 2014, 09:51:41 PM
europe being mad at unwanted people coming into their countries (and changing the culture lol) has gotta be one of the dumbest things in the history of all things
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 27, 2014, 09:55:09 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on May 27, 2014, 09:51:41 PM
europe being mad at unwanted people coming into their countries (and changing the culture lol) has gotta be one of the dumbest things in the history of all things
We were invited. Punch vas served. Check vit Poland.
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2014, 09:56:54 PM
Nothing wrong with wanting strict immigration laws. But when you start framing the issue as a war against the white race then my ears perk up because I know niccas and Jews are next.

 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhjfxZHOT_o&t=1m20s)
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2014, 10:11:29 PM
Man just think, in 100 years there will be white guys standing on the corner in Harlem kicking knowledge about how the black man knocked the noses off Mount Rushmore to hide the fact that America once had white presidents.
(http://i.imgur.com/8ISIdcZ.png)
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 27, 2014, 11:02:12 PM
I'm terrible at video editing, but fixed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naQQeY5JiJk
(skip to like 1:10 if you don't want to watch the whole thing again)
Title: Re: In Brasil, No One Can Hear You Scream: International Politics Thread
Post by: T-Short on May 28, 2014, 05:10:49 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2014, 09:32:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR-lAGj_dlQ

all they need is a charismatic, powerful leader. And this time the US will be too broke to save them.  :win

Jesus fuck. Hadn't actually seen this.
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on May 28, 2014, 05:30:39 AM
Well, at least sweden also elected a number of hardcore leftists as well. There is even a Rroma MEP, whoa! such progress, much will be done, etc.
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: T-Short on May 28, 2014, 06:23:23 AM
Quote from: Brobzoid on May 28, 2014, 05:30:39 AM
Well, at least sweden also elected a number of hardcore leftists as well. There is even a Rroma MEP, whoa! such progress, much will be done, etc.

Yeah, I voted for her. hehe
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 29, 2014, 11:08:37 AM
Union of Former-Soviet Socialist Republics
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 29, 2014, 11:13:48 AM
Doesn't Russia make up like 90% of the GDP and population of this new union? Short term it seems like nothing more than dick waving. Especially as the Russian economy hurls over a cliff.
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on May 29, 2014, 01:17:18 PM
Even the Discovery channel has Russia fever. I've seen advert for 3 new shows all based in Russia.
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on May 31, 2014, 01:06:14 PM
Quote from: The Business on May 31, 2014, 12:05:44 PM


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bo51_GVCEAAFLNU.jpg)


someone pls make a full-body coli emote out of this one
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2014, 02:07:55 PM
Quote from: The Business on May 31, 2014, 02:04:45 PM
Big weekend!

Bergdahl released after five years of captivity in Afghanistan during prisoner exchange:

http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2014/05/breaking-american-pow-bergdahl-freed-prisoner-exchange/85555/

Hopefully this will clear some things up about his capture and captivity. The general opinion from people I've spoken with in the military is not very sympathetic—most seem to think he willingly left and was a defector. I wonder what we'll discover during his debriefing.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/03/Homelandposter.jpg)
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Raban on May 31, 2014, 02:58:28 PM
Quote from: Brobzoid on May 31, 2014, 01:06:14 PM
someone pls make a full-body coli emote out of this one
            praise allah
            /
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Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 31, 2014, 04:35:08 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2014, 04:49:34 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 31, 2014, 06:48:10 PM
"In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony science's logic. But because, I am blessed by Allah."
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 31, 2014, 06:51:49 PM
wow
such beard
very halal
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Raban on May 31, 2014, 06:58:17 PM
ftfy
Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 31, 2014, 06:48:10 PM
In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony science's logic. But because, I am blessed by Allah.
         /
(http://i.minus.com/i5vgaOXhPM75F.png)
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on June 01, 2014, 11:16:26 PM
Guess I should post this here too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5tvstsLw0gU
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on June 02, 2014, 09:08:06 AM
Florida's humidity does something to you.
                /
(http://i.minus.com/i5vgaOXhPM75F.png)
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on June 02, 2014, 06:29:52 PM
Quote from: The Business on June 02, 2014, 06:10:10 PM
You're from Eastern Province and named Yazeed

(http://i.imgur.com/xphOKsc.png)

Hey man at least his pops isn't named Muawiyah.  :yeshrug
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on June 03, 2014, 12:55:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5FC8wGam88&feature=youtu.be

:heh
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on June 03, 2014, 02:11:47 PM
How much Arabic training did you get in the service, Biz?
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on June 03, 2014, 02:16:22 PM
What was Jordan like?
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on June 03, 2014, 03:46:53 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/tom-balmforth-major-players-among-the-seperatists-in-ukraine-2014-6
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on June 03, 2014, 06:00:34 PM
My new neighbors are Egyptian and don't know that I know any Arabic and I'm thinking of the perfect response to "oh you speak Arabic?" before I break kayfabe and introduce myself to them with an ahalan wa sahalan.

Leaning towards something like "kaan mukhabara ma3 jaysh-amrikiyya" but I don't want them to move out the next day.  :lol
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on June 04, 2014, 02:09:03 AM
Fuck dat shit, it's dajaaj, not dagaag.  :yuck

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I use G as a substitute already for qaaf because my spoken is (was?) a horrible pastiche of Lebanese and Baghdadi. I had to remember that it was kaan, not chaan for my last post.  :'(
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Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on June 04, 2014, 03:00:09 AM
Quote from: The Business on June 04, 2014, 02:47:30 AM
How can something be gamil if it's such an ugly-sounding word?

 :ohhh
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: brawndolicious on June 04, 2014, 02:56:31 PM
I don't understand what any of you are saying.  :(
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Boogie on June 04, 2014, 03:16:55 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on June 04, 2014, 02:56:31 PM
I don't understand what any of you are saying.  :(

Now you know how we have felt about most of your posts over the years. :P
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on June 04, 2014, 03:53:48 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on June 04, 2014, 02:56:31 PM
I don't understand what any of you are saying.  :(

There's a standardized way to say every letter in Arabic, but for various linguistic reasons nonstandard substitutions have been made to those pronunciations in the regional varieties of the language throughout its history. (Arabic's diglossia is very pronounced, it is after all a language spoken over swaths of the world that have experienced different histories and interacted with different languages. Also some of the letters are just fucking hard to say. Yeah, I'm looking at you ghayn, what the fuck are you going to do about it?)

The Arabic letter ج (jeem)'s standard pronunciation is more or less the English letter J (as used in the word Juliet), but in other parts of the Arabic speaking world it has been substituted with the sound the English letter g makes in the word golf. Egypt's dialect is one such dialect where this substitution has been made, and it's rather infamous among Arabic speakers because Egyptian media has a huge reach in all Arabic media.

Biz was pointing out to me that my inappropriate joke might have to be spoken differently than I would naturally speak it for it to be immediately and viscerally understood by my neighbors without thinking about it (thus defeating the purpose of my mean and inappropriate joke) because it had a word with jeem in it.

This lead us on a tangent about this sound substitution. To those of us that don't speak the language in this manner this substitution makes certain words just kind of sound silly. Biz made the word for army sound more like something someone who had forgotten how to say geisha would come up with in lieu of geisha when trying to say geisha, I made the word for chicken sound like something you'd do if you ate rotten chicken, etc.

But instead of just running the mocking things for not being normative train into the ground, Biz went philosophical and pointed out that this substitution makes the word for beautiful (jameel) plain ugly sounding, which just blew my fucking ghareeb mind and I went Wee-Bey.

Arabic :lawd
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on June 04, 2014, 06:59:04 PM
Quote from: Exodust SoulBurn on June 04, 2014, 04:16:20 PM
The one letter I have trouble with is "ض" mostly cause I find the real correct way of pronouncing it to be difficult and idiotically so. I just use it as a harsher version of "ذ" or "the". Exactly like "ظ" almost. When it's even harsher than that.

If I'm not trying to speak correctly I will do this too.  :lol (I don't mind saying daal, just one of those bad habits I picked up studying Baghdadi.)

Seems like there's more overlap between Najdi and Baghdadi than I thought, at least in pronunciation. (I sincerely doubt they ask "shaku maku?" down there.)

Quote from: The Business on June 04, 2014, 04:17:42 PM
What's the point of learning a foreign language if you can't alienate the non-speakers? Still, that's a great summary.

:-[ shukran senpai.
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: tiesto on June 04, 2014, 11:57:29 PM
How do you pronounce 'Ibn'? Always wondered that...
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Mandark on June 05, 2014, 01:07:19 AM
Wat.

I sort of want to know the backstory to this but I don't want the NSA recording my use of the necessary search terms.
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on June 05, 2014, 01:09:17 AM
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D8%A8%D9%86#Arabic

Click the play button.

Sorry it's nothing really special. :(

e: Hey man if you think I'm fancy now, there was a time in my life where I actively transliterated everything in Hans Wehr style.

e2: As a tangent, how do y'all feel about transliterating al- when it's a making a noun definite that begins with a shamsiya letter? (I prefer to preserve the laam even though it's not an accurate representation of the sound being made, this is English it's not like our orthography isn't fucked already.)
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 05, 2014, 01:25:50 AM
Quote from: Mandark on June 05, 2014, 01:07:19 AM
Wat.

I sort of want to know the backstory to this but I don't want the NSA recording my use of the necessary search terms.
...Wikipedia should be safe right...

Production, sale and distribution was illegal but not mere possession. But those things were only made illegal in 1999 and 2003 after pressure from the UN.
Quote
In June 2008, a bill proposing a ban on child pornography possession was submitted to the House of Representatives of Japan, where it was brought before the Diet in September, but failed to pass.[2] The Liberal Democratic Party and the New Komeito Party proposed to outlaw any possession of child pornography, but was countered by the Democratic Party of Japan with a different proposal.[8][9] The House of Representatives dissolved on July 21, 2009, and both proposals to revise the law were withdrawn. During the general election of the House of Representatives in August 2009, open letters written by politicians to a civilian organization showed that the politicians were divided on the matter.[10]

In 2008, the Japanese branch of UNICEF called on the government to outlaw simple possession of child pornography, as well as cartoon pornography depicting minors. It also called for tighter restriction of Junior Idol media under existing laws.[11] The United States ambassador to Japan has stated that Japan's lack of laws restricting possession of child pornography has impeded international investigations into child pornography.[2]

On August 25, 2011, the Liberal Democratic Party submitted a petition requesting stricter laws on child pornography, which included animated child pornography.[12][13] In late June 2013, the Liberal Democratic Party moved forward with their proposal. A decision has not yet been reached.[14]

A 2007 public opinion poll taken by the Japanese government showed that 86.5% of respondents believed that child pornography regulations should be applied to art and manga, while 90.9% endorsed regulation of "harmful materials" on the Internet.

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While not considered explicitly pornographic, media portraying young idols is a large industry in Japan. Photobooks and videos of underage models in scant, tight fitting and revealing clothing are often taken to be provocative and pornographic in nature. The industry remains lucrative, with The Japan Times reporting an estimated 3 million idol photo books sold between 2006 and 2007.
:uguu

Helpful map:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Pornography_laws.2012_09_02_05_30_42.0.svg/800px-Pornography_laws.2012_09_02_05_30_42.0.svg.png)
Green = child pornography possession legal.
Red = no kind of pornography possession legal.
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on June 05, 2014, 01:38:40 AM
I am extremely disappointed in Andorra and my dream home of San Marino.
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 05, 2014, 01:44:05 AM
Here's a bigger version of the map to see all the tiny nations: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Pornography_laws.2012_09_02_05_30_42.0.svg/2000px-Pornography_laws.2012_09_02_05_30_42.0.svg.png
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 05, 2014, 01:56:27 AM
I pick Order a lot :shh
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on June 05, 2014, 01:57:06 AM
Quote from: Esch on June 05, 2014, 01:41:57 AM
:whew @ Islam and Communism annihilating porn like it's Civ V

Show some fucking respect to the free market achievements of Botswana OK.
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 05, 2014, 02:15:04 AM
Quote from: Esch on June 05, 2014, 01:59:17 AM
Only for culture victories and wide empires :shh

It's funny how "communism" and "freedom" are viable, but the fascist option is garbage. Just like real life.
Yeah, I picked it one time to see how that route goes and when it was time to pick a ideology policy I was always like...eh...how about I go back to filling out these social policies instead.

Should make an Anarchism Mod where you play the role of arbitrator for the selected "corporation" and everything is randomly automated and the only thing you do is click next turn until it's time to arbitrate a dispute. (No war allowed obviously.)
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on June 05, 2014, 02:19:56 AM
In Tropico I tend to be a pretty weak handed socialist. I even stand in elections.  :larry
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 05, 2014, 02:21:30 AM
I always wind up being better friends with the Soviets somehow. Americans get pissed at the drop of a hat seems like.

Maybe it's the whole "sure you can build a weapons factory" part.
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on June 05, 2014, 02:26:26 AM
I  L O V E dat Soviet largesse.

 :mouf
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 05, 2014, 02:32:03 AM
Somehow it feels so wrong and yet so right to be an egotistical socialist intellectual and turn the island's interior into a strip-mine while the coast is just all tourist traps, with that cheap degrading public housing for all the citizens.  :lol
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on June 05, 2014, 02:42:57 AM
Lee Harvey Oswald?
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 05, 2014, 02:48:52 AM
Nazi culture was so good Germany had to ban it out of fear it'd take over again.
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 05, 2014, 03:04:28 AM
Progressivism.  :teehee
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 05, 2014, 03:06:52 AM
Ice Road Truckers?
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 05, 2014, 03:15:46 AM
The autobahn is pretty decent.
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 05, 2014, 03:22:21 AM
I'd have to check CivFanatics as I don't recall what science boosts you get from Autocracy.
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on June 05, 2014, 10:00:40 AM
Hey guys, what's going on in this th-...
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on June 05, 2014, 10:49:31 AM
I have no idea, honestly. I don't have the necessary perspective.

The most visible thing I can think of is our sceptisism of patriotism. It's fine to wave the flag during the World Cup, otherwise it's still skeeves many people out. Others are increasingly annoyed that you can't be proud of your country. You can see the resentment of feeling like you still need to be ashamed of the past in comments sections sometimes. Never mind that shame isn't really the point. Only other thing I can think of are very personal. Family history, basically. Was ((great)-grand)dad a good guy? That sort of thing.
There are tabu topics and ideas of course, sometimes it's just about specific terminology. People can wreck their reputation going anywhere near it. It's also very precarious to cast aspects from that time into a positive light. That's as far as public statements are concerned, anyway. Under the surface things can look very different. It's not like "de-nazification" evaporated every NSDAP member, right? Many found new positions in politics and other institutions of government.

Other than that... I dunno, a commitment to peace? Well, in Europe anyway. We do sell a lot of weapons.
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on June 05, 2014, 11:17:34 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 05, 2014, 03:04:28 AM
Progressivism.  :teehee

(http://i.imgur.com/jPRHIvJ.jpg)
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 05, 2014, 02:33:02 PM
Quote from: Karakand on June 05, 2014, 11:17:34 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 05, 2014, 03:04:28 AM
Progressivism.  :teehee

(http://i.imgur.com/jPRHIvJ.jpg)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/067f943e5bc32bab65a5c94aece6d30e/tumblr_mrch3hauft1qbmz6lo1_400.gif)
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 05, 2014, 03:27:11 PM
Quote from: Esch on June 05, 2014, 03:22:12 PM
Keynes himself(:teehee)?

Obviously. ;)
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on June 05, 2014, 04:19:11 PM
My favorite thing about that picture is that I got it from a post Computer (the self-described Rothbardian) made on GAF. The weight of irony was inescapable.
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 05, 2014, 05:43:49 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/YeG6EAi.gif)
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on June 05, 2014, 05:52:39 PM
MP minister Babulal Gaur says rape "sometimes right, sometimes wrong"
http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/06/05/uk-india-rape-idINKBN0EG1EX20140605

:what
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Raban on June 06, 2014, 12:39:31 AM
Quote from: Rufus on June 05, 2014, 05:52:39 PM
MP minister Babulal Gaur says rape "sometimes right, sometimes wrong"
http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/06/05/uk-india-rape-idINKBN0EG1EX20140605

:what
tl;dr rape is wrong when we know about it, and right when we don't :derp
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on June 06, 2014, 10:35:55 PM
It wasn't too long ago that I learned that Sikhs can carry swords around in Punjab and now there's a sword brawl on video.

That reckless old guy swatting his way down the stairs actually drops his. Tsk tsk.
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 07, 2014, 05:40:10 PM
lol @ the suggested video for that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiJtio9n4Lc

:dead
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on June 07, 2014, 09:54:07 PM
:drool

"As a snake, how did you enter her body?"

:drool :drool :drool
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Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on June 08, 2014, 11:08:15 AM
Quote from: Rufus on June 05, 2014, 05:52:39 PM
MP minister Babulal Gaur says rape "sometimes right, sometimes wrong"
http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/06/05/uk-india-rape-idINKBN0EG1EX20140605

:what
And another idiot chimes in:

Quote
Indian minister's 'accidental rape' remark adds to rising public anger
Ramsevak Paikra, home minister responsible for law and order, sparks outrage after saying rapes did not happen on purpose
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/08/indian-minister-rape-remark-anger-violence-women
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on June 08, 2014, 05:05:34 PM
Shit's going down at Karachi airport, in case you missed it.
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on June 10, 2014, 10:08:32 AM
ISIS have taken a bunch of Mosul. Shit's getting bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-VZX_bGxz0

Hearing stuff about large Peshmerga units moving towards the city but dont know much about that atm.
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2014, 11:31:29 AM
They were better off under Saddam.
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2014, 11:45:58 AM
Esch showing his bias against a great nuclear power
(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/troll.png)
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 10, 2014, 11:54:17 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2014, 11:31:29 AM
They were better off under Saddam.

I used to buy into the line that ousting Saddam and setting up a democracy in Iraq would help spreading freedom through the Middle East. :goty
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2014, 12:00:57 PM
Quote from: Esch on June 10, 2014, 11:47:50 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2014, 11:45:58 AM
Esch showing his bias against a great nuclear power
(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/troll.png)

We gonna be using troll smilies if lashkar-e-taiba has their finger on the button?

(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/troll.png)

Let's hope they're better with buttons than swords
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Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2014, 01:56:31 PM
Quote from: Esch on June 10, 2014, 12:03:37 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2014, 12:00:57 PM
Quote from: Esch on June 10, 2014, 11:47:50 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2014, 11:45:58 AM
Esch showing his bias against a great nuclear power
(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/troll.png)

We gonna be using troll smilies if lashkar-e-taiba has their finger on the button?

(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/troll.png)

Let's hope they're better with buttons than swords
(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/troll.png)

Confuse trained pan-islamist terrorists with old fat sikhs brehs

(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/troll.png)

Sounds like I qualify to give paid speeches at neocon events.

(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/troll.png)
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on June 10, 2014, 02:00:22 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2014, 11:31:29 AM
They were better off under Saddam.

They still get to deal with a Hussein.  :whew
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2014, 02:04:55 PM
This liberal plantation can't hold me back

(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/troll.png)
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Mandark on June 10, 2014, 02:12:37 PM
Conservative groups need black people to co-sign their domestic agenda, not their foreign policy one.  Now if you were an Arab/Persian Muslim willing to endorse drone strikes and invasions?  $$$
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2014, 02:16:25 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 10, 2014, 02:12:37 PM
Conservative groups need black people to co-sign their domestic agenda, not their foreign policy one.  Now if you were an Arab/Persian Muslim willing to endorse drone strikes and invasions?  $$$

I disagree. Africa is the next battlefield for the war on terror. Who better to argue that there would be no terrorism in Africa today if more Africans had come to America as indentured servants than myself? After all, if it wasn't for "slavery" I might be an illiterate victim of terrorism in the mother country.
Title: Re: Death to Multikulti and Immigrants: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on June 10, 2014, 03:53:39 PM
Quote from: Esch on June 10, 2014, 11:35:07 AM
http://www.france24.com/en/20140610-germany-merkel-backs-juncker-candidacy-president-european-commission/


Euro-Boritos, yall know anything about Juncker? I'm assuming since he's buddy-buddy with Merkel i'm not going to like him much, but aware me.
He's basically an honorary banker. Luxembourg is the new Switzerland thanks to him. Gotta keep competing for the lowest tax rates in a monetary union (the rotten cunts).
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on June 10, 2014, 03:57:27 PM
Thread title change is regionist.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2014, 04:11:00 PM
How do you think the US should respond, if at all? Personally I don't think we're going back, nor should we. Obviously we don't need to "go back" in order to respond in some way, but I'd prefer complete hands off.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on June 11, 2014, 03:02:23 AM
Quote from: The Business on June 11, 2014, 01:19:59 AM
ISIS cake celebrating the liberation of Mosul:

(http://i.imgur.com/AsOP9d0.png)

I like the juxtaposition of real guns and icing ones

ش م ه
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Mandark on June 11, 2014, 03:12:02 AM
Biz, any sense of the composition/loyalties of the Iraqi army?  I haven't followed this for years, and even then probably not as closely as you have.  I just have vague and jumbled memories of de-Baathification, promises (probably empty) to go back and maybe reverse some of the de-Baathification, the sense that the new Iraqi army was going to be Shia-only, and the legitimization of political/sectarian militias (where individual ministries would have their own security forces, who were the militant wings of the parties who had been given control of those ministries as part of the coalition deal).

Like, it all looks like a clusterfuck, but what's the current shape and direction of the clusterfuck?  Or what's a good place to find a summary, if you don't want to milsplain it.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on June 11, 2014, 09:43:29 AM
Sounds like they've reached Tikrit :beli
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on June 11, 2014, 10:08:43 AM
http://justpaste.it/kasr_hodod

Mark Sykes am cry
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 11, 2014, 10:14:01 AM
And this is the kind of foreign policy that neo-cons want to go back to. :goty
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on June 11, 2014, 05:07:28 PM
What a clusterfuck.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on June 12, 2014, 09:21:28 AM
http://www.juancole.com/2014/06/promises-modern-history.html
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Steve Contra on June 12, 2014, 11:47:12 AM
Those Danish special forces are seriously going to be in 13 bro-shooters next year.  Count on it.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 12, 2014, 12:52:56 PM
Quote from: Esch on June 12, 2014, 11:42:03 AM
This one's for The Business

http://m.imgur.com/gallery/73EzH

:rejoice fascist porn :rejoice

:whew
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 12, 2014, 12:57:02 PM
ISIS?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-tmbZnED4s
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on June 12, 2014, 01:16:15 PM
Hiding the muzzle flash maybe. So that he can suppress (hurr durr) without being shot at.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on June 12, 2014, 01:31:15 PM
Vidya game flavour text teaching things, aw yeah.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on June 12, 2014, 02:14:48 PM
Quote from: Esch on June 12, 2014, 01:07:39 PM


Why would you suppress an LMG? Aware me, Biz.

So you dont show up on the minimap when you shoot.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2014, 02:17:24 PM
Sounds like the US is going to help. Bah.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 12, 2014, 04:18:51 PM
Get involved in a land war in Asia, brehs.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: headwalk on June 12, 2014, 07:41:10 PM
if you follow the money i'd wager that the majority of ISIS' funding comes from an anonymous collection of major videogame publishers looking to reverse declining sales.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 13, 2014, 09:19:36 AM
Looks like the Kurds aren't going to be sitting on their hands while the rest of Iraq flounders:

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/6/12/rise-of-the-kurds.html
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: brawndolicious on June 14, 2014, 02:40:36 AM
That does look like propaganda meant for impressionable young men. Even has Call of Duty sound effects in the sniper videos. And you weren't kidding about the graphic violence, I didn't know you could show point blank executions on YouTube.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on June 14, 2014, 10:44:40 AM
White subtitles in the desert, tsk tsk.

Quote from: am nintenho on June 14, 2014, 02:40:36 AM
And you weren't kidding about the graphic violence, I didn't know you could show point blank executions on YouTube.
Yeah, how is this on Youtube? This is Liveleak material.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 15, 2014, 09:19:46 PM
Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/graham-iraq-another-9-11
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) on Sunday warned that Islamic militants' insurgency in northern Iraq could lead to another massive terrorist attack.

"This is another 9/11 in the making. The FBI director has warned us in Congress that Syria and Iraq present a direct threat to our homeland," he said on CNN's "State of the Union."

The senator urged President Obama to take action in Iraq.

"Put American airpower into the game. These guys are not 10-feet tall. Stop the advance on Baghdad. Get people on the ground that the Iraqis trust. Maliki must go. Get a new government in place, right, and hit Syria," he said. "If you don't deal with Syria in a coordinated fashion, maybe with Turkey, regional Sunni Arab states, you will have this happen all over again in Iraq."

Graham suggested that the U.S. work with Iran to stabilize Iraq.

"The Iranians can provide some assets to make sure Baghdad doesn't fall. We need to coordinate with the Iranians. And the Turks need to get in the game and get the Sunni Arabs back into the game, form a new government without Maliki," he said.

 :beli
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 16, 2014, 02:22:41 AM
Referencing 911 is like telling people Dr Dre produced tracks on someone's album. It's meant to generate a specific response and greatly increase interest. Graham knows no one gives a shit about Iraq, so the best way to gain attention is to raise the specter of 911.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 16, 2014, 09:42:34 AM
Referencing 9/11 is bad enough, but what really gets me face-palming is how he's all "Well, just do X and Y and then doo-doo-doo problem solved." As if getting Maliki out of power is the easiest thing ever. Or getting Iran to support Iraq. Or finding someone that more than 50% of Iraqis like. Or getting the Sunnis involved in a nation-wide government.

That's exactly the kind of simple-mindedness that proponents of the war used way back in 2003.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 16, 2014, 10:37:04 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 16, 2014, 09:42:34 AM
Referencing 9/11 is bad enough, but what really gets me face-palming is how he's all "Well, just do X and Y and then doo-doo-doo problem solved." As if getting Maliki out of power is the easiest thing ever. Or getting Iran to support Iraq. Or finding someone that more than 50% of Iraqis like. Or getting the Sunnis involved in a nation-wide government.

That's exactly the kind of simple-mindedness that proponents of the war used way back in 2003.

View the middle east through a WWII/cold war lens brehs.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 16, 2014, 12:34:00 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 16, 2014, 10:37:04 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 16, 2014, 09:42:34 AM
Referencing 9/11 is bad enough, but what really gets me face-palming is how he's all "Well, just do X and Y and then doo-doo-doo problem solved." As if getting Maliki out of power is the easiest thing ever. Or getting Iran to support Iraq. Or finding someone that more than 50% of Iraqis like. Or getting the Sunnis involved in a nation-wide government.

That's exactly the kind of simple-mindedness that proponents of the war used way back in 2003.

View the middle east through a WWII/cold war lens brehs.

View world problems like it's a match of Civ 5, brehs.

"Trade 5 tanks to Iran for peace accord with Iraq."
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 16, 2014, 12:39:59 PM
Man, imagine Obama having to meet with Graham and McCain saying ridiculous shit to him in person.
:fbm

Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on June 16, 2014, 02:26:51 PM
"Obama plays golf while Iraq burns." - a bunch of dumbasses.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on June 16, 2014, 04:21:50 PM
I think involving Iran is to make sure the entire state doesn't collapse, then after that they can work out how to reintegrate the Sunni community.

Triage before surgery, if you will.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: fizzel on June 16, 2014, 05:29:13 PM
Just give the whole fucking lot to iran like the old achaemenid days and be done with it already.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: brawndolicious on June 16, 2014, 07:03:47 PM
The only thing Iran can offer is troops but I'm not so sure how willing Iranians are to essentially fixing America's problem in the long term. The alternative is a state next door that's hostile to Shias though.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 16, 2014, 08:13:48 PM
Obama sending support forces to Iraq
:beli
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 16, 2014, 08:29:44 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 16, 2014, 08:13:48 PM
Obama sending support forces to Iraq
:beli

Less than 300 so far, and they're only being sent to guard the US embassy. Again, so far.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on June 17, 2014, 11:16:10 AM
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/75582000/jpg/_75582186_75582181.jpg)
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on June 17, 2014, 11:32:24 AM
Let's speculate as to what's in the glass:

Microbrew
Tea
Motor oil
Some crazy Arab shit that would melt a people who believe in the development and protection of a Jewish nation from the inside
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on June 17, 2014, 11:36:48 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on June 17, 2014, 11:32:24 AM
Some crazy Arab shit

:wag
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 17, 2014, 12:03:43 PM
Read this article this morning, what's you guys' take?

http://pando.com/2014/06/16/the-war-nerd-heres-everything-you-need-to-know-about-too-extreme-for-al-qaeda-i-s-i-s/

Quote
ISIS is a sectarian Sunni militia—that’s all. A big one, as militias go, with something like 10,000 fighters. Most of them are Iraqi, a few are Syrian, and a few hundred are those famous “European jihadis” who draw press attention out of all relation to their negligible combat value. The real strength of ISIS comes from its Chechen fighters, up to a thousand of them. A thousand Chechens is a serious force, and a terrifying one if they’re bearing down on your neighborhood. Chechens are the scariest fighters, pound-for-pound, in the world.

But we’re still talking about a conventional military force smaller than a division. That’s a real but very limited amount of combat power. What this means is that, no matter how many scare headlines you read, ISIS will never take Baghdad, let alone Shia cities to the south like Karbala. It won’t be able to dent the Kurds’ territory to the north, either. All it can do—all it has been doing, by moving into Sunni cities like Mosul and Tikrit—is to complete the partition of Iraq begun by our dear ex-president Bush in 2003. By crushing Saddam’s Sunni-led Iraq, the Americans made partition inevitable. In fact, Iraq has been partitioned ever since the invasion; it’s just been partitioned badly, into two parts instead of the natural three: the Kurdish north, and the remainder occupied by a weak sectarian Shia force going by the name of “The Iraqi Army.” The center of the country, the so-called “Sunni Triangle,” had no share in this partition and was under the inept, weak rule of the Shia army.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on June 17, 2014, 12:42:38 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on June 17, 2014, 11:32:24 AM
Some crazy Arab shit that would melt a people who believe in the development and protection of a Jewish nation from the inside

:lawd عرق 
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on June 17, 2014, 12:51:37 PM
Didn't mean to offend anyone.  :whew
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 17, 2014, 12:52:16 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on June 17, 2014, 11:32:24 AM
Let's speculate as to what's in the glass:

Microbrew
Tea
Motor oil
Some crazy Arab shit that would melt a person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation from the inside

ruin your credit score and loan eligibility with a post brehs
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on June 17, 2014, 12:53:26 PM
idk how popular it is in Israel, but my Jewish family's drink of choice is slivovitz and that foul substance gives araq a run for its money on the, "holy fuck you actually drink this to have a good time?" scale now that I think about it.  :ohhh

Though I think slivovitz would enjoy greater popularity in a contest by virtue of the fact that it's not an anise drink.  :larry
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on June 17, 2014, 12:59:11 PM
Aw yeah, šljivovica. I have relatives who make their own.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on June 17, 2014, 01:03:11 PM
Tangential slivovitz story: I was drinking a bottle of it alone once, it was Hungarian but made by a Jewish company, and when I poured out the the last bit of the bottle there was this big huge disgusting dead insect in the slivovitz.

I guess a normal person might have freaked out about this, but I was like  :yeshrug nothing that can hurt me could survive in a bottle of slivovitz and dumped out the glass dejectedly, then went on with my life.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on June 17, 2014, 11:27:00 PM
:lol

Real talk: If I go to a "bring a bottle" social function, I always bring an anise liquor because the odds of me going home with it relatively untouched are quite high.  :hitler
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Positive Touch on June 17, 2014, 11:30:28 PM
 :obama a little mad i never though of that
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Positive Touch on June 17, 2014, 11:37:53 PM
Ouzo :bow2
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on June 17, 2014, 11:46:22 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on June 17, 2014, 11:30:28 PM
:obama a little mad i never though of that

I only thought of it because I used to have a drinking buddy with whom I'd go to BevMo once a week and find some off the wall thing to buy and drink ( :snoop ) and one week I picked ouzo for us since they'd never had it before... but I'd forgotten that they hated black licorice so I ended up having to destroy a bottle of ouzo by myself while they angrily drank something from their own stash for the rest of the night.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on June 19, 2014, 07:14:02 PM
AQAP video release.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70DRmf9SEuQ&feature=youtu.be

Interesting.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on June 21, 2014, 09:59:18 PM
http://kotaku.com/even-the-nsa-likes-final-fantasy-1594070889

The most powerful people in the world are Final Fantasy fans.  :neogaf
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 21, 2014, 11:30:37 PM
Chaos Overlord

 :expert
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on June 25, 2014, 11:05:46 AM
:whew
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on June 29, 2014, 06:47:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyM0_sv5h88


Quote
As for you, O soldiers of the platoons and organizations, know that after this consolidation and the establishment of the khilāfah, the legality of your groups and organizations has become invalid. It is not permissible for a single person of you who believes in Allah to sleep without having walā’ (loyalty) to the khalīfah. (http://justpaste.it/g178)

(http://i.imgur.com/y6Um7yu.gif)
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on June 30, 2014, 07:28:26 PM
So Der Spiegel does these interviews with prominent international political figures that I love because they will always ask a hardball question and the international political figure will give some ridiculous answer. The best one I've ever read is Thaksin Shinawatra's response to being accused of ordering murders while Prime Minister (http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/spiegel-interview-with-thaksin-shinawatra-thailand-must-be-united-again-a-768492.html).

Quote
SPIEGEL: When you were prime minister, you weren't the perfect democrat either. You stand accused of serious human rights violations.

Thaksin: I accept this criticism. We made mistakes, particularly in the war on drugs ...

SPIEGEL: ... during which thousands of people are believed to have been killed.

Thaksin: Perhaps my expectations were too dramatic. I wanted something to happen. I wanted to scare those criminals, to send them a warning. But I never personally ordered anybody to be killed. I'm a Buddhist, and I believe that those who kill will be killed themselves in their next life.

Anyway, they just did one of these interviews with Iraq's Foreign Minister (http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/spiegel-interview-with-iraqi-foreign-minister-hoshyar-zebari-a-978341.html) and I was like :mynicca at his answer to their hardball question.

Quote
SPIEGEL: Iran's Supreme Leader Ali Hosseini Khamenei has accused the US of bringing its "stooges" to power in Iraq. Saudi Arabian Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal has warned Iran not to "intervene" in Iraq. This doesn't exactly look like rapprochement.

Zebari: I can tell you what Khamenei and Saud al-Faisal mean: There is an ongoing conflict about the new government. Everybody wants Iraq to go in a new direction and everybody wants to see new faces. I have told Saud al-Faisal: We have a democratic system and a political process. Sixty-two percent of Iraqis voted on April 30. We are going to have a parliament and a new government according to the results of this election. We don't have princes who can appoint people by royal decree. We change our leaders according to our own rules. Khamenei, for his part, thinks that -- according to his interpretation -- the Americans are trying to influence this process and install their own supporters into government.

SPIEGEL: Is he right?

Zebari: I am not going to judge him and will not be drawn into such a discussion.

"Shut down!" /League of Legends  :whew
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Mandark on July 01, 2014, 12:03:41 AM
After years of hearing American politicians and pundits hype various existential threats to the US (or American freedoms/culture/"way of life"), it's downright odd to read an interview with a politician discussing a "mortal threat" to his country that actually exists.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 02, 2014, 08:02:01 PM
First it was ISIS because ghareeb don't know about the concept of Greater Syria.

Then it was ISIL because Levant is the English approximation of Greater Syria.

Now it's just Islamic State.

But some people have just kept using ISIS throughout this entire process, and still do.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 02, 2014, 08:32:53 PM
Yeah but Sham doesn't exist in English, when people hear Syria they think of the current nation-state known as Syria, not the historical region of Syria and it creates unnecessary confusion especially now that the organization is no longer merely a faction in the Syrian Civil War. (I know that they didn't start there, I merely speak of in popular consciousness when I say this.)

I would have just left it untranslated as Sham and kept ISIS, but no one asked me.

I don't run in itk circles, but I have started seeing just "Islamic State" in news articles now that they changed their name (again).
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on July 03, 2014, 12:14:10 AM
Quote from: The Business on July 02, 2014, 08:14:04 PM
That's not exactly true. ISIS/ISIL are just different ways of translating Sham. (I prefer ISIS because the Levant in English usually refers to the Mediterranean coast.) Back in my day we called them AQI (al-Qaida in Iraq), but their name changed and has now changed again so I'm wondering if we're going to just use IS or if those in the know are going to use al-Dawla or if that will just be for sympathizers. I also wonder what the intelligence community is calling them since that's what people who run in military circles will use. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what sticks since the caliphate is only a couple of days old.
Now that an actual caliphate is forming, are people going to go back to that Dan Simmons book, Flashback, and apologize to him? Or do we have to wait for the Japanese and Indian annexation specifically?
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: brawndolicious on July 03, 2014, 12:26:42 AM
ISIS makes me think of Archer which gives it a dash of light-hearted flavor. Which is really nice and makes it more digestible as a racket for shooting infidels at point blank range.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on July 03, 2014, 09:46:02 AM
Quote from: The Business on July 03, 2014, 08:32:54 AM
That map is so confusing. What is happening in Central Europe?

You can tell by the color: That's where they're going to consolidate all the whiteys.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on July 03, 2014, 09:54:25 AM
Quote from: The Business on July 03, 2014, 08:32:54 AM
That map is so confusing. What is happening in Central Europe?

It's from a Paradox game. Austria-Hungary, separate German states, Russian empire.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 03, 2014, 10:27:03 AM
Quote from: Broseidon on July 03, 2014, 09:54:25 AM
Quote from: The Business on July 03, 2014, 08:32:54 AM
That map is so confusing. What is happening in Central Europe?

It's from a Paradox game. Austria-Hungary, separate German states, Russian empire.

ISIS has good taste. :obama
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 03, 2014, 11:08:51 AM
You know if ISIS is going to stick around, they really need to change that flag of theirs. It's completely unintimidating and the shahada looks like something I would have written in Arabic 1A after finally learning all the letters in the alphabet. Show some god damn respect for dagger alif.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on July 03, 2014, 01:44:08 PM
Quote from: The Business on July 03, 2014, 10:30:06 AM
The graphic was probably made my Broseidon.

Even I wouldn't try to take India for some random reason. Wouldn't those borders mean Muslims are a minority in this new Uber-Caliphate?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I literally just started an Ottoman run in Vicky 2 this morning :shh
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Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 03, 2014, 11:31:06 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 03, 2014, 10:27:03 AM
Quote from: Broseidon on July 03, 2014, 09:54:25 AM
Quote from: The Business on July 03, 2014, 08:32:54 AM
That map is so confusing. What is happening in Central Europe?

It's from a Paradox game. Austria-Hungary, separate German states, Russian empire.

ISIS has good taste. :obama
Remember that footage of al Qaeda "training" with monkey bars? ISIS does their strategic planning with Paradox games.

Part of why they've been so successful. But also part of why they keep trying to marry royal lineages together. Little underreported factoid there.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 04, 2014, 12:58:58 AM
https://twitter.com/DavidKenner/status/484771353896046592
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 04, 2014, 01:19:12 AM
Quote from: Karakand on July 04, 2014, 12:58:58 AM
https://twitter.com/DavidKenner/status/484771353896046592

:uguu
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 04, 2014, 02:20:10 AM
Dan Simmons was right about the Caliphate annexing Japan, but I don't think he could have imagined the real reason why they'd want to annex it. :japancry
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 04, 2014, 02:25:43 AM
Establishing a Caliphate seems like it'd be a real bitch to try and manage these days.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 04, 2014, 02:41:38 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 04, 2014, 02:25:43 AM
Establishing a Caliphate seems like it'd be a real bitch to try and manage these days.

It was a pain in the neck for the Sahabi back then too, why do you think there's a Shi'a / Sunni divide? :lol
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on July 05, 2014, 11:12:49 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BryDyqXIQAAc0MD.jpg:large)

:leon
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 07, 2014, 03:03:39 PM
Not really current events, but I just found out about this individual thanks to USA Today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melita_Norwood

Reading her biography, how the hell did she ever get anywhere near sensitive materials? I know the Labour Party wasn't quite the conciliatory lickspittle of today that it was then but, :neogaf.

I have to say though, it's almost poetic justice that a woman working an unappreciated "woman's job" (I don't agree with this term, I merely use it in a clinical sense from the perspective of those in power for the time period covered) was one of the world's most important spies in the 20th century. I'm also not entirely shocked that her name isn't well known, and that her Wikipedia article is just a stub.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
A convinced communist herself, she apparently gained no material profit from her actions. When asked about her motives, she explained: "I did what I did, not to make money, but to help prevent the defeat of a new system which had, at great cost, given ordinary people food and fares which they could afford, a good education and a health service."

:ussrcry  :tocry :ussrcry
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Title: Re: No Love for CACs in Zimbabwe: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 08, 2014, 04:28:17 PM
Quote
It is ours and that message should ring loud and clear in Britain and the United States.

 :badass
Title: Re: No Love for CACs in Zimbabwe: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 08, 2014, 05:01:31 PM
I see Mugabe is taking part in our whitest sitcom challenge. #solidarity
Title: Re: No Love for CACs in Zimbabwe: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 08, 2014, 07:15:07 PM
Colonialism was foreign direct investment, yes. :hitler
Title: Re: No Love for CACs in Zimbabwe: International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on July 09, 2014, 11:24:45 AM
I see Israel is doing their best to preserve peace. What's a little air strike between friends?
Title: Re: No Love for CACs in Zimbabwe: International Politics Thread
Post by: T-Short on July 10, 2014, 06:13:35 AM
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2014/07/israel-and-hamas-trade-rocket-attacks-tension-builds/100771/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2014/07/israel-and-hamas-trade-rocket-attacks-tension-builds/100771/)

"trade rocket attacks"  :lol
Title: Re: No Love for CACs in Zimbabwe: International Politics Thread
Post by: Momo on July 10, 2014, 07:39:11 AM
Hey brahs, come to Rhodesia :hitler
Title: Re: No Love for CACs in Zimbabwe: International Politics Thread
Post by: T-Short on July 12, 2014, 10:12:59 AM
http://youtu.be/U1H0ARiJCO4
Title: Re: No Love for CACs in Zimbabwe: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 12, 2014, 10:37:03 AM
 :goty
Title: Re: No Love for CACs in Zimbabwe: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 12, 2014, 01:32:05 PM
Germany is kicking our rezident out. :neogaf :ufup

Quote from: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/germany-expels-us-intelligence-station-chief-over-spying-allegations/2014/07/10/dc60b1f0-083c-11e4-8a6a-19355c7e870a_story.html
The German government ordered the CIA’s top officer in Berlin to leave the country Thursday in an extraordinary escalation of a conflict between the two allies over U.S. espionage.

The move amounts to a high-profile expression of German anger over alleged CIA operations uncovered by German investigators in recent weeks, as well as continued public outrage over the exposure last year of widespread U.S. surveillance programs whose targets included Chancellor Angela Merkel.

A spokesman for the German government, Steffen Seibert, confirmed the expulsion of the CIA station chief in a statement that made clear Berlin regards U.S. espionage efforts as a breach of trust.

“The representative of the U.S. intelligence services at the Embassy of the United States of America has been requested to leave Germany,” Seibert said. Continued cooperation would require “mutual trust and openness,” Seibert added. “The Federal Government continues to be ready for this and expects the same from its closest partners.”

The decision means that the United States will be forced to withdraw an officer who oversees U.S. spying programs in Germany and serves as the main point of contact with German intelligence services, exchanging information on subjects ranging from terrorist plots to Iranian nuclear ambitions.

In ordering the CIA station chief to leave, Germany resorted to a form of retaliation that is occasionally employed by espionage adversaries such as the United States and Russia, but rarely by such a close ally.
Title: Re: No Love for CACs in Zimbabwe: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 12, 2014, 01:42:44 PM
Just a bit of theatre to distract from our (very desperately wanted) lack of sovereignity. :heh
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland: International Politics Thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 12, 2014, 02:48:49 PM
Quote from: Esch on July 08, 2014, 04:25:09 PM
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Africa/2014/0703/Robert-Mugabe-says-no-whites-may-own-land-in-Zimbabwe

Mugabes hatred for white people is :rofl

(http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/21/218203/2625891-7310528850-1f759.gif)
Title: Re: No Love for CACs in Zimbabwe: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 14, 2014, 11:13:24 AM
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/arrest-of-bnd-employee-strains-ties-between-germany-and-us-a-979738.html

:neogaf

:ufup
Title: Re: No Love for CACs in Zimbabwe: International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on July 14, 2014, 04:07:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-14fg7_GRZI

:beli
Title: Re: No Love for CACs in Zimbabwe: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2014, 04:41:10 PM
That upper right graph should read "Jihadi terrorists tactically neutralized by Israeli security forces" and "Innocent civilians murdered by Palestinians."
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 14, 2014, 08:15:50 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/13/world/meast/iraq-violence/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Even hookers and Johns aren't safe in Obama's Iraq. :usacry
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 14, 2014, 09:31:11 PM
This spying thing between the U.S. and Germany keeps getting worse and worse.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/expulsion-of-cia-head-a-sign-of-tougher-german-response-to-spying-a-980912.html

I can't say I don't find it a little disingenuous that the German government is mad about Die Linke politicians being under surveillance when their own domestic intelligence agency was recently embarrassed by a scandal wherein it came out that it was monitoring Die Linke in a similar degree as it was Neo-Nazi groups, and not just the out of touch factions / members of Die Linke from western parts of Germany (the ones from the eastern part of the country tend to be more practical having had governing experience, they just slip a little too far into being unironic tankies from time to time), but sitting members of parliament.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 14, 2014, 09:57:50 PM
The spy in the BND was tasked to investigate the spy in the Ministry of Defense. Can't help but laugh. :heh
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 15, 2014, 02:42:49 AM
http://mikereport.wordpress.com/2014/07/13/shocking-anti-semitic-hatefest-in-downtown-seattle/

 :hitler

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Taleah Yvette DeCastro on July 13, 2014 at 12:52 pm said:
Such Ignorance….. but that is our world nowadays…. Perception becomes truth….people don’t research and find out the truth for themselves! Americans are being brainwashed since this POS so called “President” and his vermin administration. He is destroying American’s core values and the Liberal Media is causing more harm to our country than anything else. but…here in Los Angeles today 7/3 there is a great counter protest…THIS IS HAPPENING TODAY IN LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA
SUNDAY 7/13 @ 4PM Corner of Wilshire Blvd. and Veteran in front of the Federal Building. PLEASE, JOIN US! Peaceful rally demonstration in support for Israel and the Israeli Defence Forces. Please share on your FB and with all of your friends…. Please come today for Unity, Support and Prayers for Israel!!
Never again, means NEVER AGAIN!
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Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 15, 2014, 04:06:01 AM
Speaking of the internet's favorite country, this is on a U.S. tax return and I'd completely forgotten about it until today. (Form 1120-IC-DISC)

(http://i.imgur.com/OrdyPFd.png)

There's also a line item on this return for paying foreign bribes, it's probably the most surreal tax return offered by the IRS.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 15, 2014, 02:07:10 PM
Quote
[CNBC host] Andrew Ross Sorkin challenged [climate change denier William Happer] for "not believ[ing] in climate change" -- to which Happer responded by telling Sorkin to "shut up." Sorkin then asked Happer about comments he made to The Daily Princetonian in 2009 comparing climate science to Nazi propaganda. Happer doubled down on his comments, stating that "the demonization of carbon dioxide is just like the demonization of the poor Jews under Hitler. Carbon dioxide is actually a benefit to the world, and so were the Jews."
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/07/15/cnbcs-climate-expert-demonization-of-carbon-dio/200107
:dead
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 15, 2014, 02:10:06 PM
Give equal time to insane people, media brehs.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 15, 2014, 02:18:53 PM
Liberal Nazis are killing carbon dioxide gas by putting it in Jew chambers.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 15, 2014, 02:48:20 PM
Quote
"Carbon dioxide is actually a benefit to the world, and so were the Jews."

These goyim tummlers sure don't do much for me.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 15, 2014, 03:50:16 PM
Quote from: The Business on July 15, 2014, 03:46:46 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 15, 2014, 02:07:10 PM
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[CNBC host] Andrew Ross Sorkin challenged [climate change denier William Happer] for "not believ[ing] in climate change" -- to which Happer responded by telling Sorkin to "shut up." Sorkin then asked Happer about comments he made to The Daily Princetonian in 2009 comparing climate science to Nazi propaganda. Happer doubled down on his comments, stating that "the demonization of carbon dioxide is just like the demonization of the poor Jews under Hitler. Carbon dioxide is actually a benefit to the world, and so were the Jews."
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/07/15/cnbcs-climate-expert-demonization-of-carbon-dio/200107
:dead

Wrong thread

I saw "International" in the thread title and assumed this is where we discuss Jews.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 15, 2014, 04:03:17 PM
Threadless cosmopolitans.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 15, 2014, 06:27:49 PM
http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/7/3/7/7374e4d975de4f47/cswdcc77.mp3?c_id=7316301&expiration=1405465368&hwt=2405f5216caa9630f3887c734b3ef78d

Common Sense; thought it was good.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 16, 2014, 02:53:52 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40R3Yb7DTzo

amuse-boom  :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead

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Like Palestinians in Gaza amirite?
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Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 16, 2014, 09:16:54 AM
(https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t1.0-9/10530698_480649948704824_807932160428595013_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 16, 2014, 09:21:20 AM
Dunno bro
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: T-Short on July 16, 2014, 10:49:55 AM
Since the "living in fear of random indiscriminate rocket fire" argument is the largest part of why Israel say they are terrorized by Hamas/Gaza... if they want to protect their civilian population, why don't they loosen up on their blockade and let Hamas get some guided munitions instead?  :smug
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 16, 2014, 12:19:15 PM
The picture's right. That doesn't mean that Israelis are more evil.

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The fact that they're Jews does.
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Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 16, 2014, 04:00:12 PM
It's Civilians
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on July 16, 2014, 08:04:19 PM
Is that Armageddon hill?
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: huckleberry on July 16, 2014, 08:36:00 PM
I'll be honest. I would go up on a hill and watch that shit too.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: Positive Touch on July 16, 2014, 08:54:23 PM
.....................................................................


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(http://i.imgur.com/SjW0bp2.gif)
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Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: huckleberry on July 16, 2014, 09:01:26 PM
It's just dead brown people...you guys are so touchy.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: huckleberry on July 16, 2014, 09:06:03 PM
so cunty.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: huckleberry on July 16, 2014, 09:19:27 PM
Israel supporter.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: Positive Touch on July 16, 2014, 10:33:19 PM
to be fair that kid looked like he was reaching for a rocket launcher
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: doctavius bonbon on July 17, 2014, 11:41:49 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/17/ukraine-crash-airplane-idUSL6N0PS57720140717

http://www.thejournal.ie/plane-crash-ukraine-1576544-Jul2014/

holy shiiiiiiit

Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: huckleberry on July 17, 2014, 11:52:14 AM
Quote from: doctavius bonbon on July 17, 2014, 11:41:49 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/17/ukraine-crash-airplane-idUSL6N0PS57720140717

http://www.thejournal.ie/plane-crash-ukraine-1576544-Jul2014/

holy shiiiiiiit

They don't really clarify whether it was Russia or Ukraine that shot it down. I assume the interior minister is implying that it was Russia? Holy shit indeed.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: octopushover on July 17, 2014, 11:54:16 AM
That's fucked no matter who shot it down. Killing that many civilians of a non-combative country is a huge catalytic moment.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 17, 2014, 12:03:04 PM
Another neoliberal false flag.

Plus now we have evidence the earlier "missing" plane was the test run for this.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 17, 2014, 12:26:50 PM
What's ironic about facts?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-russian-rocket-may-have-downed-military-plane/
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: AdmiralViscen on July 17, 2014, 12:36:20 PM
I love how the news media is tripping over itself to remind everyone that Boeings are safe don't worry the plane is great!
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 17, 2014, 12:53:53 PM
Oh man
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 17, 2014, 01:00:48 PM
Quote from: The Business on July 17, 2014, 12:52:23 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on July 17, 2014, 12:36:20 PM
I love how the news media is tripping over itself to remind everyone that Boeings are safe don't worry the plane is great!

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/14/us/twa-flight-800-five-things/

Today is the anniversary of TWA flight 800. Now here's a conspiracy for benji to post about.
It's also 100 years and two weeks and five days since the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand.

The pieces are starting to add up.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 17, 2014, 03:46:22 PM
http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/IDF-intensifies-Gaza-attacks-with-artillery-fire-air-strikes-363289
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IDF ground forces began to move into the Gaza Strip on Thursday evening, the prime minister's office confirmed.

The purpose of the operation was  to destroy the Gazan terror tunnels leading to Israel, according to a statement released by the prime minister's office. 
Now, it's really all coming together.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: T-Short on July 17, 2014, 05:29:49 PM
Cached message from pro-russian militia (which was removed later)

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fvk.com%2Fwall-57424472_7256 (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fvk.com%2Fwall-57424472_7256)

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Summary of shooting, by Igor Ivanovich
17.07.2014 17:50 (Moscow) Message from the militia

In the area of Torez (Donetsk Oblast), an An-26 was just shot down and crashed near the "Progress" mine.
We have warned before - do not fly in "our sky".
More information in the video.
The bird fell near the dump, there are no residential areas here so there should be no civilian casualties.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 17, 2014, 06:28:20 PM
Ex-Shin Bet Chief: Israeli Illusions Fueled Blowup
http://blogs.forward.com/jj-goldberg/201468/ex-shin-bet-chief-israeli-illusions-fueled-blowup/
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 17, 2014, 09:33:49 PM
so this rocket attack on the plane...what does this mean for the situation in Ukraine? I'm seeing lots of hand wringing and talk about justice/retribution, bringing terrorists to justice...but how the hell can that be accomplished without potentially sparking an even bigger situation?
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 17, 2014, 10:02:21 PM
The Ukrainian military has slowly been retaking most of the secessionist areas without explicit / overt Russian intervention, only Donetsk really remains defiant.

Donetsk is economically important--I think a Ukrainian oligarch actually publicly pleaded that the Ukrainian military not retake it in a manner that they retook another city (with aerial bombing)--so things have kind of been in a holding pattern there.

After this though I think the fear is that the Donetsk campaign will be unnecessarily violent, either triggering a(nother) regional incident, or at the very least exacerbating Ukraine's place on the brink of being a failed state (by destroying its own fragile economic capacity).
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 18, 2014, 12:25:48 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/video/world/europe/100000003007434/intercepted-audio-of-ukraine-separatists.html?smid=tw-nytimesworld (http://www.nytimes.com/video/world/europe/100000003007434/intercepted-audio-of-ukraine-separatists.html?smid=tw-nytimesworld)
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 18, 2014, 02:30:44 AM
154 dutch dead on that plane :(
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 18, 2014, 02:39:19 AM
Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on July 18, 2014, 02:37:33 AM
I don't see a good ending to all of this, at all.
Yeah, NPDs are going to be harsh. I just wonder if it creates an opening for Nintendo to bring families together in trying times.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 18, 2014, 02:54:32 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on July 18, 2014, 12:25:48 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/video/world/europe/100000003007434/intercepted-audio-of-ukraine-separatists.html?smid=tw-nytimesworld (http://www.nytimes.com/video/world/europe/100000003007434/intercepted-audio-of-ukraine-separatists.html?smid=tw-nytimesworld)
"[expletive] them, there's a war going on. They shoudn't be flying."

Oy vey.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: T-Short on July 18, 2014, 02:57:56 AM
The plane, reg 9M-MRD, first flew on July 17:th 1997. It was brought down on July 17:th 2014, exactly 17 years after the first flight. It was flying AMS - KUL as flight MH17.

edit: also, the speculation is it was brought down by a Buk SAM, which has nato designation SA-17
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 18, 2014, 03:52:12 AM
The audio transcript I listened to had the separatists shook they shot down the wrong plane
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 18, 2014, 03:56:40 AM
They were, but the major on the other end of the line doesn't give a shit apparently.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: T-Short on July 18, 2014, 04:08:29 AM
Quote from: Rufus on July 18, 2014, 03:56:40 AM
They were, but the major on the other end of the line doesn't give a shit apparently.

(http://www.okmoviequotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/207-Spaceballs-quotes.gif)
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: toku on July 18, 2014, 04:55:27 AM
http://www.theage.com.au/national/crash-claims-top-aids-researchers-heading-to-melbourne-20140718-zuaw3.html
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: Squiddy on July 18, 2014, 07:30:48 PM
Hey guises, remember when we armed those rebels in Syria?

Well, guess fucking what:

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2014/07/18/Scores-killed-after-ISIS-seize-Syria-gas-field-.html

(http://vid.alarabiya.net/images/2014/07/18/9d9bc89a-fae3-4951-9bb8-eb9f7db0cbf9/9d9bc89a-fae3-4951-9bb8-eb9f7db0cbf9_16x9_600x338.jpg)
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 18, 2014, 08:38:02 PM
Quote from: The Business on July 18, 2014, 08:13:25 PM
What does that have to do with arming rebels in Syria?

just don't engage, there's no point
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on July 18, 2014, 09:19:56 PM
fuck off, moron
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: T-Short on July 19, 2014, 04:03:14 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10977705/MH17-separatists-block-international-observers-from-crash-site.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10977705/MH17-separatists-block-international-observers-from-crash-site.html)

shokku
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: T-Short on July 19, 2014, 04:04:54 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 18, 2014, 08:38:02 PM
Quote from: The Business on July 18, 2014, 08:13:25 PM
What does that have to do with arming rebels in Syria?

just don't engage, there's no point

that's what the UN said :smug
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 19, 2014, 04:37:31 AM
Mitt Romney was right!
 :lenowned
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 19, 2014, 10:59:12 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px2rfWBW4wg
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 19, 2014, 06:56:45 PM
Since it was asked about earlier, Ukraine update.

First I was wrong, sorry about that. Luhansk (a decent sized city) is still holding out too. The Ukrainian military has started taking it back and claim they have 25% of it under control. Currently it has no water or power, so I imagine its days are numbered.

(http://i.imgur.com/rXZ3imo.gif)

Pic courtesy of BBC.

Don't want to be too much of an armchair general, but it looks like they're going to circle around Donetsk, stemming the flow of weapons to the secessionists from over the Russian border.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: doctavius bonbon on July 20, 2014, 07:14:12 AM
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/20/world/meast/mideast-crisis/

 :(

twitter is looking quite grisly at the moment as well.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: toku on July 20, 2014, 08:38:50 AM
Yea someone on my TL rt'd something about doctors arguing about identifying some kids body because the head was missing. Like fuck =/
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 20, 2014, 08:52:29 AM
This shit gets weirder and dumber every day...

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/ukraine-rebels-plane-bodies-train

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HRABOVE, Ukraine (AP) — Armed rebels forced emergency workers to hand over all 196 bodies recovered from the Malaysia Airlines crash site and then had them loaded onto refrigerated train cars bound for a rebel-held city, Ukrainian officials and monitors said Sunday.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: headwalk on July 20, 2014, 09:09:07 AM
these multiple simultaneous atrocities sure make my life as guy trying to read a message board difficult.
Title: Re: Bad Times in Sandland Part II Electric Boogaloo: International Politics Thread
Post by: huckleberry on July 20, 2014, 09:30:08 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 20, 2014, 08:52:29 AM
This shit gets weirder and dumber every day...

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/ukraine-rebels-plane-bodies-train

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HRABOVE, Ukraine (AP) — Armed rebels forced emergency workers to hand over all 196 bodies recovered from the Malaysia Airlines crash site and then had them loaded onto refrigerated train cars bound for a rebel-held city, Ukrainian officials and monitors said Sunday.


Trying to make any sense out of what is going on there right now is an exercise in frustration. So much secrecy and side blaming is making the situation worse and worse by the day. I mean fuck, they don't know if the Ukrainian government is working with the rebels or not to recover the bodies?
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: huckleberry on July 20, 2014, 12:13:00 PM
Meanwhile in the world of liberal American pundity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1zzlXleHU4



Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on July 20, 2014, 12:21:15 PM
Isn't it generally agreed that the claims of human shields in 2009 conflict were more or less entirely false? Borderline self-parody to be talking about human shields in 2014.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on July 20, 2014, 12:28:09 PM
Quote from: Esch on July 20, 2014, 11:53:14 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_-76H-YRjs

Hate this fucking guy. Whenever something flare's up in Palestine he's always on my fucking tv :piss2
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: huckleberry on July 20, 2014, 12:48:18 PM
Quote from: Brobzoid on July 20, 2014, 12:21:15 PM
Isn't it generally agreed that the claims of human shields in 2009 conflict were more or less entirely false? Borderline self-parody to be talking about human shields in 2014.

I don't know if it was proven false but it was the Israelis that used 3 kids as human shields in 2009. Several other verified reports of IDF using human shields can be found with a quick search. A few of the soldiers were convicted in one case I believe - suspended sentences or some such bullshit.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/mar/23/gaza-human-shields-claim (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/mar/23/gaza-human-shields-claim)


Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 20, 2014, 04:54:03 PM
Bush had the War in Gaza won until Obama messed it up.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Red_Sea_Summit_in_Aqaba.jpg)
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 20, 2014, 07:33:35 PM
Quote from: Esch on July 20, 2014, 11:53:14 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_-76H-YRjs
:lol at this set

Quote from: Brobzoid on July 20, 2014, 12:21:15 PM
Isn't it generally agreed that the claims of human shields in 2009 conflict were more or less entirely false? Borderline self-parody to be talking about human shields in 2014.
By human shields they mean that people live in Gaza which is unfair tactics.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: headwalk on July 20, 2014, 07:45:14 PM
the IDF should set all those mopey palestinians with a nice little package holiday to tel aviv while they remodel their homes.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: CatsCatsCats on July 21, 2014, 09:00:18 PM
I think the only way to deter him from sayin shit like that is to rape him
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: toku on July 21, 2014, 09:03:17 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/iaza7QL.jpg)
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 21, 2014, 09:29:07 PM
Why do we need nukes when we could just struggle fuck a few ruskies to keep putin at bay?
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Mandark on July 21, 2014, 10:58:48 PM
Quote from: Esch on July 21, 2014, 08:39:01 PM
http://www.alternativenews.org/english/index.php/politics/israeli-sosaciety/8314-israeli-academic-raping-palestinian-women-for-deterrence

:holeup :holeup :holeup

(http://www.ldssmile.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Im-done.gif)
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: T-Short on July 22, 2014, 03:04:05 PM
Uh, Corriere Della Sera has posted a supposed confession from a separatist that they indeed shot the plane down  :wtf

http://www.corriere.it/english/14_luglio_22/how-malaysian-plane-was-shot-down-51e99c60-118f-11e4-affb-3320a03d21e8.shtml (http://www.corriere.it/english/14_luglio_22/how-malaysian-plane-was-shot-down-51e99c60-118f-11e4-affb-3320a03d21e8.shtml)
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Squiddy on July 22, 2014, 03:22:16 PM
Israel is kinda (and I hate to make this comparison) acting like Nazi Germany before the genociding begun in its earnest.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 22, 2014, 04:42:36 PM
What an insightful observation.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 23, 2014, 12:03:59 AM
Is there a news source that only reports on positive decisions? I find regular news unbearable at the moment. I don't even read half my feeds any more. Shit like this just makes me angry.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: toku on July 23, 2014, 12:13:43 AM
Quote from: Rufus on July 23, 2014, 12:03:59 AM
Is there a news source that only reports on positive decisions? I find regular news unbearable at the moment. I don't even read half my feeds any more. Shit like this just makes me angry.

l o l
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 23, 2014, 12:24:45 AM
Quote from: Rufus on July 23, 2014, 12:03:59 AM
Is there a news source that only reports on positive decisions? I find regular news unbearable at the moment. I don't even read half my feeds any more. Shit like this just makes me angry.

http://parade.condenast.com/
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 23, 2014, 12:39:39 AM
Quote from: Rufus on July 23, 2014, 12:03:59 AM
Is there a news source that only reports on positive decisions? I find regular news unbearable at the moment. I don't even read half my feeds any more. Shit like this just makes me angry.

http://english.cpc.people.com.cn/
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 23, 2014, 12:39:58 AM
Quote from: Rufus on July 23, 2014, 12:03:59 AM
Is there a news source that only reports on positive decisions? I find regular news unbearable at the moment. I don't even read half my feeds any more. Shit like this just makes me angry.

Sounds like somebody needs to be reading UpWorthy!
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 23, 2014, 12:49:33 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 23, 2014, 12:24:45 AM
Quote from: Rufus on July 23, 2014, 12:03:59 AM
Is there a news source that only reports on positive decisions? I find regular news unbearable at the moment. I don't even read half my feeds any more. Shit like this just makes me angry.

http://parade.condenast.com/
You motherfucker. :lol

Goddamnit people. :'(
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 23, 2014, 01:02:05 AM
Would you like to know more? http://thediplomat.com/2014/07/timing-is-everything-abes-playbook-for-military-normalization/
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: DCharlieJP on July 23, 2014, 03:47:03 AM
I am always confused when China get all uppity about this given the way they are stirring up EVERYONE in the region with various land/sea grabs and claims on islands where the rules denoting who should own it change from region to region in China's favour.

I mean - even this article - akin to "China see's this as a major upheaval and an armed Japan is dangerous" (sends out coastguard ships to stir up shit...)

Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 23, 2014, 04:22:40 AM
Quote from: Rufus on July 23, 2014, 12:03:59 AM
Is there a news source that only reports on positive decisions? I find regular news unbearable at the moment. I don't even read half my feeds any more. Shit like this just makes me angry.
Imperialist blues got you down?

Try some feel good news.

http://www.kcna.co.jp/index-e.htm

Quote
DPRK Premier Makes Field Survey of Major Industrial Establishments
Pyongyang, July 22 (KCNA) -- DPRK Premier Pak Pong Ju made field survey of major industrial establishments in Hamhung City, South Hamgyong Province.
He learned in detail about the production of Juche fertilizer, vinalon and custom-built equipment at the Hungnam Fertilizer Complex, the February 8 Vinalon Complex and the Ryongsong Machine Complex and held a consultative meeting.
The meeting underscored the need to boost the production at the complexes associated with the giant footsteps of leader Kim Jong Il.
It took measures to scrupulously manage equipment and improve their technical control so that the production might be kept at a high rate. It also called on the relevant units to satisfactorily provide raw and other materials needed for production at the complexes.
Going round the Hungnam Pharmaceutical Factory associated with leadership feats of Kim Jong Il, the premier underlined the need to continue dynamically pushing forward the project for modernizing the factory and boost the production of quality medicines so as to promote the people's health.

Quote
New Kind of Health Food Developed in DPRK
Pyongyang, July 22 (KCNA) -- The Health Foodstuffs Institute under Pyongyang Medical College of Kim Il Sung University developed a new kind of health food, a mixture of potato and soybean.
The health food is three times higher than rice in protein and fatty content and five to ten times higher in vitamin and mineral content.
Easily absorbable, it is considered good for preventing diabetes and hyperlipemia.
It can be taken as a staple food.

Quote
Tribute Paid to Statues of Kim Il Sung, Kim Jong Il
Pyongyang, July 22 (KCNA) -- The delegation of the Brazilian Communist Party headed by Raul Kroeff, member of its Central Committee, Tuesday visited the statues of President Kim Il Sung and leader Kim Jong Il on Mansu Hill.
The members of the delegation laid a bouquet before the statues and paid tribute to them

Quote
Anniversary of Demise of Kim Il Sung Commemorated by Foreign Media
Pyongyang, July 22 (KCNA) -- Foreign media carried special write-ups and aired special programs on the occasion of the 20th anniversary of President Kim Il Sung's demise,
The Indonesian paper Republika on July 6 carried an article titled "20 anniversary of demise of President Kim Il Sung" praising the career of the peerless great man who performed undying feats on behalf of the times and history with his outstanding idea and theories and great revolutionary practice.
The paper said that the President was the most prominent leader representing the 20th century, a peerless great man and a great sage of mankind, adding that though he passed away, his idea and cause are given steady continuity.
On the same day, the Zimbabwean paper The Herald in an article titled "In memory of President Kim Il Sung century after century" dealt with the ideological and theoretical feats of the President and his feats in building the party, army and state.
Guinean domestic and international and seven-language broadcasting services on July 8 broadcasted programs saying that the President was a peerless elder statesman revered by the world people for his personality as a great man.
On the same day, Equatorial Guinea TV broadcasted a program showing photos of the President and dealing with his revolutionary career and feats.
Myanmar TV aired the Korean film "Pyongyang Today" on July 9.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 23, 2014, 04:49:43 AM
 :stahp
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on July 23, 2014, 09:51:04 AM
Quote from: Esch on July 23, 2014, 12:44:13 AM
Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on July 23, 2014, 12:33:07 AM
Quote from: Esch on July 22, 2014, 11:32:16 PM
That's what the ignore fxn is for!

http://m.aljazeera.com/story/201472210149734178

Honest Abe at it again! Japanbore pls.

dude's gonna be in the history books, but i don't think it's going to be for what he wants it to be


Honestly.......... kind of reminds me of some patriot act type legislation.  Didn't post about it on here, but didn't y'all recently make more hawkish moves, like easing up limits on the army?

The secrecy act was in December, and put forward a bunch of rules which limited the press in Japan to (among other things) not exposing state secrets or engaging in "inappropriate" means of gathering news. It's all horribly vague, but that's pretty common for Japanese laws -- and Japanese language, for that matter. The law means what it needs to mean to suit the purpose of society, or at least whomever is in control.

The next bit was this month the push for a constitutional amendment (Oscar, correct me if I'm wrong here) to allow Japan to participate in wars from a logistics and supply standpoint. This is already de post facto, as Bush Jr. harangued Koizumi into running supplies for the Coalition of the Willing in Iraq II: Electric Boogaloo. This new amendment will simply make it legal for them to do it, and theoretically make it less controversial when they do it in the future.

Yeah, he's hawkish. He's also cashing checks Japan already can't afford to write.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on July 23, 2014, 09:55:48 AM
Quote from: DCharlieJP on July 23, 2014, 03:47:03 AM
I am always confused when China get all uppity about this given the way they are stirring up EVERYONE in the region with various land/sea grabs and claims on islands where the rules denoting who should own it change from region to region in China's favour.

I mean - even this article - akin to "China see's this as a major upheaval and an armed Japan is dangerous" (sends out coastguard ships to stir up shit...)

Yeah, that's the other side of this coin: China getting worried about Japan's imperialist moves while they have ahold of Tibet, Taiwan, Hong Kong, ad nauseum. I know that Japan has a bad history, and Abe's moves are not calming anyone, but China needs to realize it's the pot calling the kettle black.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Squiddy on July 23, 2014, 11:11:09 AM
People saying this is the start of a new cold war.
Brehs, the second cold war has been going on a long time.

This time around though, Putin played a risky game and it backfired. If it hadn't been for this chance event outside of his control, his move to support the rebels would have paid off and led to an increased stranglehold over the russian neighbours. It's a shame, he played the game beautifully, but it has bitten him back in the ass so hard.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Mupepe on July 23, 2014, 11:11:47 AM
Quote from: Squiddy on July 23, 2014, 11:11:09 AM
People saying this is the start of a new cold war.
Brehs, the second cold war has been going on a long time.
:o  You just blew my mind
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2014, 11:32:13 AM
Yes, Putin was playing things beautifully when he was just ruining his country's economy while alienating the world. Now he fucked up and is ruining his country's economy while further alienating the world.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Squiddy on July 23, 2014, 11:46:19 AM
Before, it was a trade-off at the very least, Russia was gaining shit from more or less invading its lessors.
Now though, it has had its wig snatched and is being dragged through the mud.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: CatsCatsCats on July 23, 2014, 11:54:06 AM
Requesting title change: It Was All Good Before Squiddy Started Posting
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: doctavius bonbon on July 23, 2014, 04:18:38 PM
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/middle-east-unrest/i-lost-everything-gazan-relives-strike-wiped-out-family-n163091

drop leaflets and make phone calls telling people to move to central gaza

and then bomb central gaza and kill almost an entire family anyway.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: T-Short on July 23, 2014, 04:43:00 PM
The RT thing is great too.

Quote
Russian media often use social media usernames and self-proclaimed experts as sources. TV channel RT found a man who called himself "Carlos". He purports to be a Spanish national working as an air traffic controller at the Borispol airport in Kiev. After the disaster, "Carlos" tweeted, in spanish, that Ukrainian military jets had followed MH17 and shot it down. Multiple news outlets picked up the story. But no Russian media questioned why a foreigner who neither speaks russian, ukrainian nor english, works at a Ukrainian airport and also livetweets about what happens in the airspace. Later the same evening, RT admitted that the "Carlos" twitter account was fake. But that didn't stop them from using him as a main source in another article two days later.

 :lol
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2014, 05:34:36 PM
Quote from: Hyoushi on July 23, 2014, 04:43:00 PM
The RT thing is great too.

Quote
Russian media often use social media usernames and self-proclaimed experts as sources. TV channel RT found a man who called himself "Carlos". He purports to be a Spanish national working as an air traffic controller at the Borispol airport in Kiev. After the disaster, "Carlos" tweeted, in spanish, that Ukrainian military jets had followed MH17 and shot it down. Multiple news outlets picked up the story. But no Russian media questioned why a foreigner who neither speaks russian, ukrainian nor english, works at a Ukrainian airport and also livetweets about what happens in the airspace. Later the same evening, RT admitted that the "Carlos" twitter account was fake. But that didn't stop them from using him as a main source in another article two days later.

 :lol
(http://static.tumblr.com/a0fa2797d3004c17ed574bd0e4975323/jnfzxsk/dnqmy850s/tumblr_static_tumblr_mdve05glju1qc9sbo.gif)
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on July 23, 2014, 06:16:14 PM
Jesus Christ, my new feeds have been utterly depressing lately. I rarely comment on politics here because I'm pretty bad at political discourse, but I just had to say it, fucking hell. How do you see the Malaysia Airlines situation playing out?
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Atramental on July 23, 2014, 06:33:29 PM
Quote from: Queen of Ice on July 23, 2014, 06:16:14 PM
Jesus Christ, my new feeds have been utterly depressing lately. I rarely comment on politics here because I'm pretty bad at political discourse, but I just had to say it, fucking hell. How do you see the Malaysia Airlines situation playing out?
(http://i.imgur.com/cj0f7ff.jpg)
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on July 23, 2014, 06:46:55 PM
http://birthrightphotos.tumblr.com/
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Atramental on July 23, 2014, 06:48:14 PM
 :what

Edit: oh, it was hard to tell on my small ass phone that those were shops. But still.  :noah
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 24, 2014, 10:39:15 AM
Quote from: Esch on July 23, 2014, 12:01:13 PM
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/7/can-brics-build-somethingnew.html

I love these BRIC optimism pieces. Always so hopeful on the inside, but externally pessimistic :brazilcry

Quote
[The] Comintern was created, funded and run by the Soviet Union, with significant input from Western communist parties.

:heh
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: CatsCatsCats on July 24, 2014, 11:17:50 AM
Quote from: The Business on July 24, 2014, 10:27:02 AM
This is pretty interesting:

(http://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/assets/4215931/gallup_Israel.gif)
source (http://www.vox.com/2014/7/24/5929705/us-israel-friends)

It's not really what I expected. It's interesting that more people have an opinion now, but I suspected that the internet would have made people side more with the Palestinians, but apparently I'm wrong.

That's... Sad, really. Shows that mainstream media still has a strong grasp on the narrative. You listen to even something as popular as Democracy Now and that illusion is shattered.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on July 24, 2014, 11:24:32 AM
Quote from: The Business on July 24, 2014, 10:27:02 AM
This is pretty interesting:

(http://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/assets/4215931/gallup_Israel.gif)
source (http://www.vox.com/2014/7/24/5929705/us-israel-friends)

It's not really what I expected. It's interesting that more people have an opinion now, but I suspected that the internet would have made people side more with the Palestinians, but apparently I'm wrong.

This actually disappoints me greatly, and yet I can't exactly say I'm surprised.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 24, 2014, 12:41:21 PM
Quote from: The Business on July 24, 2014, 10:27:02 AM
This is pretty interesting:

(http://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/assets/4215931/gallup_Israel.gif)
source (http://www.vox.com/2014/7/24/5929705/us-israel-friends)

It's not really what I expected. It's interesting that more people have an opinion now, but I suspected that the internet would have made people side more with the Palestinians, but apparently I'm wrong.

It's worth noting gallup skews towards older, white respondents and land lines, which would explain these results. Hence why they had Romney winning in 2012.

Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on July 24, 2014, 12:44:03 PM
Does that also say that 35% are anti-Semitic?
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 24, 2014, 01:14:54 PM
Quote from: Esch on July 24, 2014, 12:52:19 PM
Be under investigation for war crimes then bomb the people investigating you, brehs

Luckily for Israel it's the UN and they'll probably just be like :yeshrug

Just wait until the UN enacts Agenda 21 tho.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 24, 2014, 01:52:56 PM
Quote from: The Business on July 24, 2014, 01:49:54 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 24, 2014, 01:14:54 PM
Just wait until the UN enacts Agenda 21 tho.

Is Agenda 21 just an Oklahoma thing or are nuts around the country scared of it?

Glen Beck "wrote" a dystopian thriller about it, that was basically wingnut Hunger Games.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 24, 2014, 02:34:52 PM
I heard his fiction wasn't too bad actually, in part due to what you just described.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 24, 2014, 03:56:08 PM
You should just read OG wingnut stuff by Robert Anton Wilson instead.

Quote from: Zero Hero on July 24, 2014, 12:44:03 PM
Does that also say that 35% are anti-Semitic?

 :larry
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 24, 2014, 04:06:56 PM
A country where the company head gets arrested when the company does something wrong. :chinacry

IIRC, knowingly selling tainted food is a capital crime in the PRC. Hope it was worth it, y'all.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on July 24, 2014, 04:17:10 PM
Profit>all
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 24, 2014, 04:30:23 PM
Quote from: Karakand on July 24, 2014, 03:56:08 PM
You should just read OG wingnut stuff by Robert Anton Wilson instead.

I jerk it to the Illuminatus! Trilogy sometimes.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 24, 2014, 05:00:33 PM
:mynicca

A book where there are 6 character POVs on one page, one of which is a talking dolphin. :whew

:umad GRRM wit dat 1 POV per chapter amateur hour?
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 24, 2014, 05:23:33 PM
Quote from: Karakand on July 24, 2014, 04:06:56 PM
A country where the company head gets arrested when the company does something wrong. :chinacry

IIRC, knowingly selling tainted food is a capital crime in the PRC. Hope it was worth it, y'all.
They punish their bureaucrats and politicians for crimes too.  :usacry
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 24, 2014, 05:33:47 PM
And they're now doing it with a program using a Mao Zedong Thought brand (mass line). :chinacry

I should get a BUKHARIN WAS RIGHT shirt and wear it to the next Party meeting. :ussrcry
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on July 24, 2014, 05:34:29 PM
Welp. Good thing I'm not hungry because I would have lost my appetitie immediately while reading that.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 24, 2014, 05:38:44 PM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/07/24/cruz_obama_admin_the_most_anti-israel_admin_this_government_has_ever_had.html
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SEN. TED CRUZ (R-TX): Israel is defending herself against vicious terrorists who are trying to murder innocent civilians. As Prime Minister Netanyahu put it very effectively a couple weeks ago, in Israel they use missile defense to protect their civilians. Hamas is using their civilians to protect their missiles, which is a war crime. And you ask why aren't we doing this? Sean, the reason is sad, it's tragic, but the Obama administration is the most anti-Israel administration this government has ever had.

Yesterday, we saw the FAA make an unprecedented decision to ban all air travel to the nation of Israel. And I've asked today the very simple question, did President Obama just unilaterally launch economic boycotts on the nation of Israel? Because John Kerry showed up in Israel, gave $47 million to Hamas in Gaza...

This decision by the FAA raises serious questions. Was this a political decision? Was it driven by the White House? Was it driven by the State Department? If it was based on airline safety, as they said, why did they single out Israel? Why not ban travel to Pakistan, or Yemen or Ukraine, where a commercial airliner just got shot down, but instead they targeted Israel. And the timing at the exact moment Kerry was there trying to strongarm Israel into stopping their efforts to shut down Hamas's rockets and tunnels.
Obama probably lies awake at night wondering how Ted Cruz can dominate him every single time.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Is that "why aren't we doing this?" referring to using civilians to protect missiles?
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Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 24, 2014, 05:48:14 PM
More anti-Israel than the Eisenhower administration? :heh
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 24, 2014, 05:53:44 PM
I wonder what Ted Cruz would say if a US airline got shot out the sky in Tel Aviv.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: CatsCatsCats on July 24, 2014, 05:58:06 PM
"We need to send the best fighting force in the world to root out Hamas, who is clearly responsible for these acts of terror"
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on July 24, 2014, 06:12:39 PM
Quote from: Esch on July 24, 2014, 03:59:48 PM
and now for something completely non israel related but also disgusting

http://www.economist.com/blogs/analects/2014/07/food-safety?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/ed/notyum



(http://i.minus.com/jb210zwXbnbF5L.png)

Yeah, this was on the news yesterday. There are heaps of foods in Japanese supermarkets which are imported from China. They are overwhelmingly less expensive than the Japanese-farmed versions of the same item. Chinese garlic, for one, is 1/4th the price of Japanese garlic. But Chinese food is suspect in Japan, fairly or not. This article reinforces for me that it's not an unfair assessment.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on July 24, 2014, 06:41:42 PM
Shit's kicking off in the West Bank. Some people calling for a third intifada.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Squiddy on July 24, 2014, 06:44:22 PM
Why can't we just have peace  :-\
Fucking extremists on both sides
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on July 24, 2014, 06:45:30 PM
:piss
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 24, 2014, 06:50:49 PM
https://twitter.com/ostadjaan/status/492428125045669888/photo/1
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: doctavius bonbon on July 24, 2014, 06:58:34 PM
Fantastic. :beli
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 24, 2014, 07:08:54 PM
Quote from: Squiddy on July 24, 2014, 06:44:22 PM
Why can't we just have peace  :-\
Fucking extremists on both sides
That's loser talk. And weak leadership.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 24, 2014, 07:10:15 PM
Palestinians need some veteran leadership to teach them how to play the right way.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 24, 2014, 07:16:03 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 24, 2014, 06:50:49 PM
https://twitter.com/ostadjaan/status/492428125045669888/photo/1

I bet the middle of that demonstration would be a good place to hide some missiles, nawhatmean?
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 24, 2014, 07:32:58 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 24, 2014, 07:10:15 PM
Palestinians need some veteran leadership to teach them how to play the right way.
Larry Brown did just lose his star recruit to an overseas team...
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: DCharlieJP on July 24, 2014, 09:08:14 PM
"Because John Kerry showed up in Israel, gave $47 million to Hamas in Gaza..."

Oh god , this is almost the same as that 3.1 BILLION that Israel - weakest president on Israel had no problem pushing through 3.1 bigones through the budget process it would appear. Don't recall anyone calling him weak on Israel back then

What would GOPpers have him do? Join in the bombing? Laugh at dead kids? People man... fucking people.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: toku on July 24, 2014, 09:43:17 PM
=/
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 24, 2014, 10:17:06 PM
We really shouldn't be sending any money to Israel.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: AdmiralViscen on July 24, 2014, 10:33:39 PM
How is it possible that Israel is safe enough for tourists flying in but dangerous enough that hundreds of civilians need to be blown away to preserve their security
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 24, 2014, 10:59:09 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on July 24, 2014, 10:33:39 PM
How is it possible that Israel is safe enough for tourists flying in but dangerous enough that hundreds of civilians need to be blown away to preserve their security

There's a #thedualities post to be made in response to this, but I can't make it.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on July 24, 2014, 11:14:42 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 24, 2014, 10:17:06 PM
We really shouldn't be sending any money to Israel.

Good lord, I wish I could like this post twice.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on July 24, 2014, 11:16:56 PM
Quote from: Esch on July 24, 2014, 11:12:49 PM
supporting this POS country with my tax dollars :tocry

This is surely going to result in my south pacific cousins calling me up in a week or two on some "how can you live in a country that backs such terrible garbage, and is hypocritical at every turn when another country does it" :fbm

#thedualities (http://i.minus.com/jbg5To54I2zPGB.png)

I said the same thing on twitter a second ago. You beat me to it, I see.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 24, 2014, 11:50:43 PM
Quote from: Queen of Ice on July 24, 2014, 11:14:42 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 24, 2014, 10:17:06 PM
We really shouldn't be sending any money to Israel.

Good lord, I wish I could like this post twice.

I saw a commercial on Fox News recently that was urging people to donate money to send care packages to Israel. :goty
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 25, 2014, 12:25:59 AM
Quote from: chronovore on July 24, 2014, 06:12:39 PM
Yeah, this was on the news yesterday. There are heaps of foods in Japanese supermarkets which are imported from China. They are overwhelmingly less expensive than the Japanese-farmed versions of the same item. Chinese garlic, for one, is 1/4th the price of Japanese garlic. But Chinese food is suspect in Japan, fairly or not. This article reinforces for me that it's not an unfair assessment.
I've been reading Chinasmack.com for a while and the translated comments from Chinese netizens seem to suggest that they too are keenly aware of the lack of food safety. I went to see if they covered this story and found one more food scandal on the front page. :lol

http://www.chinasmack.com/2014/stories/expired-moldy-bread-given-to-hainan-typhoon-disaster-victims.html

http://www.chinasmack.com/2014/videos/mcdonalds-kfc-meat-supplier-exposed-reusing-expired-meat.html
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Chinese people’s bodies are already immune to all poisons/toxins!
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: DCharlieJP on July 25, 2014, 03:05:30 AM
man, the fun thing about the digital age is how funny some of the bullshit is.

Israel recon couldn't tell 4 boys playing on a beach weren't terrorists - but they are able to tell that a hospital has no people in it before they bombed it because a rocket was fired from it.

Couple of problems here :

1) bullshit - no way to know
2) I thought Hamas were firing from civilian areas to stop reprisals .... but now the hospitals are empty! Oh i see
and last but not least
3) damn, looks like there were people in there... Hamas at blame again for the death of their children.


Seriously run out of patience on all this - any dissenting voice is ANTISEMITISM and the top of bottom is that the Israel side KNOW by tacit admission that the are killing women, children etc via the "well, Hamas are hiding out there" - the idea that they give people a heads up looks in stark contrast to the reports coming out of the area. Ultimately the parroting of "Hamas are hiding amongst the civilians" is somehow some green light to just shell the bejebus out of everything and if kids/whoever die? #shrug #hamas !

The rest of the world has no balls - the top and bottom of it is that no one wants to get involved unless it's a big country going to smash a small country.
And to top it all - "Qatar should be stripped of the World Cup because they fund Hamas" ....

Do one.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 25, 2014, 03:08:51 AM
I'm most annoyed by how coy news media are about calling them on this bullshit. There's always a hint of critique, but they make sure to end with some permutation of "well, if Hamas would just...".
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: DCharlieJP on July 25, 2014, 03:24:02 AM
yes, Israel wants a cease fire (with terms that let them stay in Gaza and host of other perks) but Hamas don't want it (Because the situation for their side doesn't change - infact, it gets worse!)

Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Squiddy on July 25, 2014, 08:27:55 AM
It's pretty darn obvious that ultimately Israel will win, rewrite history, while the rest of the world does nothing.
Israel might as well level Gaza and be done with it, instead of cruelly prolonging these land grabs and giving the palestinians & their supporters false hope.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Atramental on July 25, 2014, 10:42:28 AM
Whoops.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2014, 10:48:44 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 24, 2014, 10:17:06 PM
We really shouldn't be sending any money to Israel.
Dangerous talk. How about we just send more to everybody?
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Squiddy on July 26, 2014, 07:57:38 AM
Quote from: The Business on July 26, 2014, 07:47:38 AM
Also, this is awesome:

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Israel has announced it will pay university students to circulate pro-Israeli information on social media networks, without having to identify themselves as working for the government.

The move was publicised in a statement from Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office, the Associated Press reported. Students will receive scholarships to "engage international audiences online" and combat anti-Semitism and calls to boycott Israel, it was alleged.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/08/14/israel-pay-students-propaganda_n_3755782.html

I would probably take their money  :-\
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on July 26, 2014, 08:32:52 AM
USA Libya embassy evacuated.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/07/26/libyan-embassy-evacuated/13195671/
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: doctavius bonbon on July 26, 2014, 08:33:59 PM
can't believe i missed this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o29CJRZEf4

Israeli soldiers claimed to be using only rubber bullets, but multiple time stamped camera angles and a recovery of the bullet used in the killing says otherwise.  ~whoops~

Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 26, 2014, 08:40:40 PM
Quote from: Squiddy on July 26, 2014, 07:57:38 AM
I would probably take their money  :-\

One of the dumb personality questions on the dating site I use asks if you would be willing to work a year in a country that's an unfriendly international relation of the United States for $ 400,000 of tax free income.

Easiest question to answer in my life.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'd do that shit for $ 250,000 of taxable income. (http://i.imgur.com/iSC3WKj.png)
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Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 26, 2014, 10:54:53 PM
How good or consistent does the work have to be for this Israel thing?

Do they need references, because unfortunately I don't have any evidence I can present them of parroting talking points or arguments I don't believe.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 26, 2014, 11:33:06 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 26, 2014, 10:54:53 PM
How good or consistent does the work have to be for this Israel thing?

Are you really going to try and hock shoddy work off on the Tribe? :gurl
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 27, 2014, 12:13:58 PM
Kinda speaks volumes of the ineptitude, or just a complete lack of caring, of the people that Bush surrounded himself with. And also that the Obama administration didn't want to put in the time, effort, money, and blood that it would take to "fix" the problems left behind, which I can kinda tip my hat to because continuing to throw more soldiers down that well comes across as someone who got scammed but keeps paying more money in the hope that somehow, someway they finally get all of it back.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Mandark on July 27, 2014, 12:39:35 PM
Quote from: The Business on July 27, 2014, 12:09:40 PM
It's amazing to me that the US could fail so spectacularly in Afghanistan, especially with such a wealth of information available about other superpowers that have operated there and our own lessons from Vietnam still fresh on the minds of many living veterans and academics.

For me it's the opposite, since the overriding lesson of those past conflicts seems to be "lol good luck with that buddy."
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 27, 2014, 03:11:29 PM
Maybe imperialism is always doomed to fail. (http://i.imgur.com/NrI6Tc8.png)
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 27, 2014, 03:13:57 PM
Quote from: Karakand on July 27, 2014, 03:11:29 PM
Maybe imperialism is always doomed to fail. (http://i.imgur.com/NrI6Tc8.png)

Maybe we just need to give it a few dozen more shots.
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on July 27, 2014, 03:17:33 PM
pertinent: http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/one-in-three-adults-wishes-britain-still-had-an-empire--e1MFGRfZzg

:gbcry
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 27, 2014, 03:38:08 PM
Quote from: Brobzoid on July 27, 2014, 03:17:33 PM
pertinent: http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/one-in-three-adults-wishes-britain-still-had-an-empire--e1MFGRfZzg

:gbcry

They have one still, it's just the City's and not the Crown's. (http://i.imgur.com/NrI6Tc8.png)
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 28, 2014, 11:48:47 AM
"If you let us bomb 'em over here, you don't have to worry about them immigrating to your free-thinking, post-racial European cities over there."
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: doctavius bonbon on July 28, 2014, 01:15:08 PM
the next battleground between israel and gaza takes place in this one direction dude's twitter

https://twitter.com/zaynmalik/status/493554275071836160

fangirls annihilated
Title: Re: It Was All Good Just a Week Ago: International Politics Thread
Post by: doctavius bonbon on July 28, 2014, 02:22:06 PM
Israel Leadership Event

http://www.politico.com/livestream/

5 seconds after tuning and I'm already hearing the usual memes.

Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on July 28, 2014, 03:02:44 PM
ISIS baby

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=t4cXtVeH_6A

oh dear I just reached the end and this one has video of all those mass executions at the end.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 28, 2014, 03:11:35 PM
Who you gonna believe, an official IDF tweet or an antisemitic NBC reporter?
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 28, 2014, 03:28:23 PM
Well, according to one US Senator [hint: it's Lindsey Graham], suggesting that Israel might have committed war crimes is anti-semitism:

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/07/sen-lindsey-graham-accusses-un-becoming

Oh, and bomb Iran:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/23/rep-louie-gohmert-israels-invasion-of-gaza-means-it-is-time-to-bomb-iran/
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: doctavius bonbon on July 28, 2014, 06:24:11 PM
Jesus Christ, I wish I could unwatch that. :-\
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: brawndolicious on July 28, 2014, 06:27:07 PM
No I don't think there's anything more to the video besides glorifying the violence (non-Arab speaker though). Most videos of modern combat are shot on cell phones or by journalists, which if you're a little sociopath might have gotten boring by now. These are well-edited and extremely stylized to give a certain bias and to also make them more entertaining. It's not until 13 minutes in when they start blowing  up Shia mosques that you start to get into any of their differences of opinions and whatever, but the whole video is basically killing heretics and destroying their holy sites. I don't think there's any sort of sophisticated message or anything.

At the end you see them forcing crying prisoners to swear allegiance at gunpoint before mass slaughtering them. I don't think they're appealing to young men who actually want to fix the country but just those who want to  destroy a bunch of shit because it looks cool.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 28, 2014, 06:33:27 PM
Quote from: doctavius bonbon on July 28, 2014, 06:24:11 PM
Jesus Christ, I wish I could unwatch that. :-\
Seriously. Don't know why I watched the slaughter at the end.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 28, 2014, 06:43:35 PM
Quote from: Esch on July 28, 2014, 05:00:29 PM
I'm not gonna lie, I don't see the appeal of these orgiastic ISIS kill highlights as propaganda.  When I see them, I don't particularly think of justice or an effective attempt to control public opinion.  If anything I guess it might work as a form of fear inspiration, but other than that I'm struggling to ascertain what the overall tone and message of the videos are besides 'don't fuck with us/we buss our guns'. I guess most of that is due to the language gap.
I'd need to see other gang produced recruiting/highlight videos to compare. Los Zetas, MS-13, Mungiki, D-Company, etc.

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I love Allah SWT :)1 hour ago
 
May Allah the Most Merciful help the mujahideen. May Allah The Most Gracious forgive us. May Allah Azawajjal give victory to the Islamic State. May Allah the Most Loving help Caliph Ibrahim (Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi) and protect him from the munafeeq and the kuffar. May Allah the Almighty make us from the mujahideen who fights Fi Sabillillah. Ameen Ya Rabbil allameen.

Dawlatul Islam! Baqiyah Bi'iznillah!!
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tuke4111 hour ago
 
Well let us pray that before you die, you realise that you are praying to Satan and repent your evil ways. May God have mercy upon your soul and those in this video that are demonically possessed. As Avi Lipkin such eloquently states, "Islam is not a religion, it is a psychosis." I go one step further... it is a psychosis spawned in Hell.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 28, 2014, 07:29:48 PM
Youtube didn't like that vid.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 28, 2014, 07:33:56 PM
Quote from: The Business on July 28, 2014, 04:29:09 PM
This is the most highly polished video of combat footage, drive bys, shrine demolitions, sniper video, and mass executions I have ever seen.

Quite the connoisseur. :tophat
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: naff on July 28, 2014, 07:46:42 PM
I was surprised it lasted as long as it did - shit was messed up. Scarily well produced piece of propaganda and fear mongering. Hollywood can put together shit like zero dark thirty these fuckers just film it for real - join us otherwise we'll bury you in a mass grave. Some of it really didn't make sense either - when supposedly "out hunting for rafidi'' how did they identify the people in those cars were Shia or Maliki supporters? Just looked like indiscriminate drive bys, i guess there's some other defining trait i missed. Kinda disgusted i found that so compelling  :-\
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 28, 2014, 07:48:06 PM
Quote from: Butt Seriously on July 28, 2014, 07:46:42 PM
Some of it really didn't make sense either - when supposedly "out hunting for rafidi'' how did they identify the people in those cars were Shia or Maliki supporters? Just looked like indiscriminate drive bys, i guess there's some other defining trait i missed.
I'm sure they conducted an internal investigation that ruled it a good shoot.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 29, 2014, 12:59:59 PM
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A Palestinian health official says at least 100 Palestinians have been killed in the fighting in Gaza on Tuesday.

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The Palestinian death toll in more than three weeks of Israel-Hamas fighting has surpassed 1,100.

:goty
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on July 29, 2014, 03:58:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYcrYud3R94
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 29, 2014, 04:45:37 PM
Quote from: Broseidon on July 29, 2014, 03:58:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYcrYud3R94

That's pretty horrifying.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on July 29, 2014, 04:48:11 PM
I'm guessing the terror tunnels are under those houses?
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 29, 2014, 05:00:44 PM
Sow the wind, reap the justified military action and whatever else. :shaq2
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Steve Contra on July 29, 2014, 05:08:47 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on July 29, 2014, 04:48:11 PM
I'm guessing the terror tunnels are under those houses?
That's where the human shields are protecting human shields on their days off.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 29, 2014, 06:44:14 PM
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Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu wants to establish an international framework for demilitarizing the Gaza Strip, supervising entry of people and goods into the enclave and preventing smuggling, a senior Israeli official said Monday. This mechanism will oversee the use of funds, building materials and arms in Gaza, in order to ensure that they are not used for terror.

(Haaretz is a paywall site, so not worth linking the article.)

I've been wondering what (or even if) any consideration was being made for the aftermath of this in Israeli leadership.

Outsourcing occupation is one way around the whole "you can't fight a war against people you're occupying" thing, I guess.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: toku on July 29, 2014, 09:37:54 PM
https://vine.co/v/M0lp0nnLBU0
https://vine.co/v/M0lIW7IpvPH
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: doctavius bonbon on July 29, 2014, 11:53:29 PM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/28/as-israel-enforces-its-buffer-zone-gaza-shrinks-by-40-per-cent.html

(http://i.imgur.com/k9canLC.jpg)

 :goty
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: toku on July 30, 2014, 12:03:38 AM
How do you ever get to the point where this shit is okay?
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on July 30, 2014, 03:52:38 AM
Quote from: toku on July 30, 2014, 12:03:38 AM
How do you ever get to the point where this shit is okay?

Sociopathy?
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 30, 2014, 05:58:39 AM
On a lighter note, Australia continues its cavalcade of comedy.

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Jobseekers' payments will be cut if they spam employers, ministers warn

Unemployed people face the loss of payments as a punishment for spamming employers with unsatisfactory applications to meet tough job search rules, the Abbott government has warned.

Business groups have raised concerns that employers could be inundated with poorly targeted applications as a result of a requirement for job seekers to make 40 attempts each month from July next year.
[...]
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/30/jobseekers-payments-will-be-cut-if-they-spam-employers-ministers-warn

Force people to send out 40 applications a month to get their benefits, then try to punish them for "spamming" employers. :dead
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on July 30, 2014, 12:07:36 PM
And we're one of those friends. :(
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 30, 2014, 12:33:21 PM
Quote from: The Business on July 30, 2014, 12:23:06 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtzchwGIAAEsTsf.png)

Bush was right!  :ohhh
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Eric P on July 30, 2014, 01:09:36 PM
and now some lighter international politics

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jul/30/ukip-resigned-occult-jake-baynes-graham-livings

Ukip duo resign claiming 'occultists' have infiltrated the party

A Ukip parliamentary candidate and his branch chairman have resigned after claiming the local party is being infiltrated by what they see as "occultists".

Jake Baynes, who was to run in the Somerset cathedral city of Wells at next year's general election, said he felt he was being driven out by local members, including a couple based in nearby Glastonbury who practise alternative healing inspired and guided by angels.

Baynes, a teacher who stood at the last general election for Ukip, said: "I do think if someone is saying you are in touch with the angelic realms I have to call into question their judgment.

"Everyone's got their different beliefs. It's not for me to belittle anyone's beliefs. People have different views. But if Ukip is trying to shake off this fruitcake image thing, we're not doing a good job of it."

Graham Livings, who resigned as Ukip's Wells constituency branch chairman, said: "We've been infiltrated by the Glastonbury occult. I've heard a lot of people say locally they won't be voting for Ukip because of this. It needs to be addressed. Jake was an excellent candidate. I'm standing down in solidarity."

The couple Baynes and Livings were concerned about are Colleen and Glen Tucker, who are both masters in angelic reiki – described on their national association's website as a "profound system of healing and consciousness expansion".

Ms Tucker, who is county treasurer for Ukip, describes herself as an "angelic reiki master, soul midwife and shaman" and says she works with the Archangel Michael. She is based at the Angelic Guidance and Healing Centre in Glastonbury.

Mr Tucker, a prominent Ukip member, runs master level angelic reiki workshops.

Both said they were pleased Baynes and Livings had resigned because they felt both had lost the confidence of the local association. But they dismissed as "ludicrous" the claims that they were involved in the occult.

After the Guardian broke the news of the pair's resignation and the reasons they had given to Ms Tucker , she said she went away to look up the meaning of "occult". "It means that which is hidden," she said. "Nothing I do is hidden, nothing Glen does is hidden. It's all in the public domain. I have a website, Glen is very active on Facebook. There's nothing occult in what we do.

"I do call in archangels at times and in some of the meditations I do bring in archangels. Angels appear in all the major religions of the world."

Correspondence between Baynes and the Ukip national leadership shows the concern about so-called occultism is one of a series of problems that have arisen within the party.

There has also been tension over an insulting letter Baynes wrote to a local paper about Liberal Democrat Sir Graham Watson when he lost his seat at the European parliament earlier this year.

Mr Tucker said Baynes and Livings were confused. He said: "They obviously don't understand what Colleen and I do. They have some weird idea of what the occult involves. I think it's a way of ignoring the reality. They could have just resigned and accepted they don't have the support of the committee and the membership. They could have done it with grace."

Ukip will now have to find a new candidate. Baynes won 1,711 votes in 2010 – and may well have helped the Liberal Democrat Tessa Munt win the Somerset seat, which she took with a majority of just 800 over Conservative David Heathcoat-Amory.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 30, 2014, 01:30:57 PM
Mika  :heart
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 30, 2014, 02:17:02 PM
Most anti-Israel administration in the history of the US.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: doctavius bonbon on July 30, 2014, 02:56:42 PM
Quote from: Esch on July 30, 2014, 02:29:02 PM
UNRWA spokesman on attacks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uoemv7DNsnE

I'm surprised he's kept it together this long. They now have 200,000+ civilians seeking refuge across 85 shelters with little food, water, and (probably) no power. They can't even guarantee their safety because of the 6 previous incidents, and if another airstrike were to hit, what the fuck could they do with the resources they have left? He and everyone else are living a nightmare, but they still have the unimaginable resolve to march on. God bless them.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 30, 2014, 03:16:40 PM
Quote from: Esch on July 30, 2014, 03:15:04 PM
Quote from: Esch on July 30, 2014, 02:03:32 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/AP/statuses/494532351477960704

:comeon wow, soon they might have to actually say that Israel is wrong!

https://twitter.com/juliamacfarlane/status/494545890892587008

:comeon

 :snoop
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: CatsCatsCats on July 30, 2014, 04:08:36 PM
Ugh, fuck that
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on July 30, 2014, 04:27:31 PM
Quote from: Esch on July 30, 2014, 03:15:04 PM
Quote from: Esch on July 30, 2014, 02:03:32 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/AP/statuses/494532351477960704

:comeon wow, soon they might have to actually say that Israel is wrong!

https://twitter.com/juliamacfarlane/status/494545890892587008

:comeon

:stahp :stahp :stahp
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on July 30, 2014, 04:44:50 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/bolivia-declares-israel-terrorist-state-184920411.html
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 30, 2014, 04:53:43 PM
Next time I say we go to Bolivia, we go to Bolivia.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on July 30, 2014, 05:16:56 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on July 30, 2014, 04:44:50 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/bolivia-declares-israel-terrorist-state-184920411.html

:bow
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 30, 2014, 05:48:29 PM
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/losing-iraq/
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 30, 2014, 05:49:27 PM
Quote from: The Business on July 30, 2014, 12:19:55 PM
Is Palestine lost? Even as the rest of the world seems to accept it more readily, Israel flattens 40% of the Gaza strip. The Arab states cannot and will not help in the foreseeable future—they have too many of their own problems now.

Israel is essentially a "rogue state" invading whoever they want (meaningless considering that so is Russia and the US). If this leads to a third intifada the future of the West Bank also looks grim.

I don't believe most Arab governments want to see a solution that includes a viable Palestinian state, so their unwillingness to intercede is... unsurprising.

One-state does seem inexorable atm, though why (some) Israelis think this is a good idea (I mean this within the framework of their practical and ideological goals) still baffles me.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 30, 2014, 05:53:50 PM
The other Arab nations never really cared or care about Palestine.  Their leaders just always uses it to as an issue to gain support from either pan arab nationalists or religious zealots. So ya I agree they loss an issue if their is ever a real peace.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on July 30, 2014, 06:43:19 PM
:nsfw

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Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 30, 2014, 07:28:16 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 30, 2014, 12:33:21 PM
Quote from: The Business on July 30, 2014, 12:23:06 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtzchwGIAAEsTsf.png)

Bush was right!  :ohhh
Best part is that nobody was ever kidnapped from France, they just called every day for a couple weeks and made a threat.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 30, 2014, 07:31:46 PM
Quote from: Esch on July 30, 2014, 04:55:52 PM
A lot of the south american countries seem to be taking similar stances.
Guess their leaders are just going to have to resign by suicide.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on July 30, 2014, 08:17:20 PM
His head is also shiny as fuck
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: doctavius bonbon on July 30, 2014, 08:25:36 PM
These speeches could have taken place at any point in history after Hamas' formation, and for the most part, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

Such insight, wow.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: DCharlieJP on July 30, 2014, 08:31:16 PM
Quote
Israel said that its military was responding to mortar rounds launched from near the school.

oh right, so now it doesn't actually have to be launched from that location it can just be nearby? I see...

Watched the Reid video - jesus... swallow and regurgitate that propaganda!

The lengths that people are going to to make this sound like Israel are the ones under a siege is crazy.
Also - i like that the fact that everyone can report on what is happening now means it's impossible for anyone to get away with anything - and the attempts to spin what is going on starts looking more and more desperate (e.g. "no that air strike wasn't by Israel!" CBC reporter "witnessed attack, it was an Israeli drone" waa waaaaaaaaah)

The problem is that regardless of anything the harsh truths of what happens is no longer easily filtered - 5 years ago+ they'd have more easily brushed this aside. They still are - and as long as the US fails to apply the international laws that apply to every other nation to Israel then they will continue to do what the hell they want -forever-.


EDIT : Booker T - wow - I guess all the wrestling warped his brain ( ;) ) Hamas is denying their people a higher standard of living ?!? Lol - jesus. "Hamas is not democratically elected" ... 80% of the vote? Looks democratically elected to me.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 30, 2014, 08:56:22 PM
When liberals (I use this in its global and not American sense) say a person or party wasn't democratically elected, what they really mean is that a liberal party wasn't elected.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 30, 2014, 09:13:36 PM
Quote from: DCharlieJP on July 30, 2014, 08:31:16 PM
Hamas is denying their people a higher standard of living ?!? Lol - jesus.
Hamas exists, hence the blockade and their resulting destitution and reliance on smugglers. A twisted logic, but that's just politics I guess. Much better to cultivate the bogeyman. Very civilized in a way, huh?
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 30, 2014, 09:16:37 PM
Quote from: Karakand on July 30, 2014, 08:56:22 PM
When liberals (I use this in its global and not American sense) say a person or party wasn't democratically elected, what they really mean is that a liberal party wasn't elected.
Everyone knows The People haven't spoken until they say what you want.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: DCharlieJP on July 30, 2014, 09:40:43 PM
Quote
Hamas exists, hence the blockade and their resulting destitution and reliance on smugglers. A twisted logic, but that's just politics I guess. Much better to cultivate the bogeyman. Very civilized in a way, huh?

Hamas could bring about peace by just letting Israel boot them out and take all their natural resources and having their own people starve to death.

It's pretty clear Hamas aren't interested in peace.

Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on July 30, 2014, 10:42:33 PM
Quote from: Queen of Ice on July 30, 2014, 04:27:31 PM
Quote from: Esch on July 30, 2014, 03:15:04 PM
Quote from: Esch on July 30, 2014, 02:03:32 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/AP/statuses/494532351477960704

:comeon wow, soon they might have to actually say that Israel is wrong!

https://twitter.com/juliamacfarlane/status/494545890892587008

:comeon

:stahp :stahp :stahp

Jesus. Thanks, Obama.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 31, 2014, 02:56:48 AM
World War III going to happen because of Obama:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/08/yes-it-could-happen-again/373465/

Quote
In this context, nothing is more dangerous than American weakness. It is understandable that the United States is looking inward after more than a decade of post-9/11 war. But it is also worrying, because the credibility of American power remains the anchor of global security. The nation’s mood is not merely a reflection of economic hardship or the costs of war; it is also determined by the president’s decisions and rhetoric. There was no American majority for involvement in World War I or World War II—until the president set out to forge one (helped decisively in Franklin D. Roosevelt’s case by Pearl Harbor). As Jonathan Eyal of Britain’s Royal United Services Institute says, “If a president stands up and says something, he can shift the debate.”

President Obama has made clear he does not believe in military force. His words spell that out; so does his body language.
Quote
If these treaty obligations do not constitute a red line triggering a U.S. military response—the only way to prove the seriousness of “these norms”—all bets are off in a world already filled with uncertainties. A century ago, in the absence of clear lines or rules, it was just this kind of feel-good hope and baseless trust in the judgment of rival powers that precipitated catastrophe. But that, it may be said, was then. The world has supposedly been transformed.

But has it? Consider this article in my father’s 1938 high-school yearbook:
Quote
The machine has brought men face to face as never before in history. Paris and Berlin are closer today than neighboring villages were in the Middle Ages. In one sense distance has been annihilated. We speed on the wings of the wind and carry in our hands weapons more dreadful than the lightning … The challenge of the machine is the greatest opportunity mankind has yet enjoyed. Out of the rush and swirl of the confusions of our times may yet arise a majestic order of world peace and prosperity.
Goodbye, and tell my wife "Hello."
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: DCharlieJP on July 31, 2014, 06:19:11 AM
Quote
Israel is "determined" to destroy all militant tunnels from Gaza "with or without a ceasefire", Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says.

So - there we go - no matter what, Israel have their excuse to be on the ground in Gaza for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 31, 2014, 07:42:31 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 31, 2014, 02:56:48 AM
World War III going to happen because of Obama:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/08/yes-it-could-happen-again/373465/

Quote
In this context, nothing is more dangerous than American weakness. It is understandable that the United States is looking inward after more than a decade of post-9/11 war. But it is also worrying, because the credibility of American power remains the anchor of global security. The nation’s mood is not merely a reflection of economic hardship or the costs of war; it is also determined by the president’s decisions and rhetoric. There was no American majority for involvement in World War I or World War II—until the president set out to forge one (helped decisively in Franklin D. Roosevelt’s case by Pearl Harbor). As Jonathan Eyal of Britain’s Royal United Services Institute says, “If a president stands up and says something, he can shift the debate.”

President Obama has made clear he does not believe in military force. His words spell that out; so does his body language.
Quote
If these treaty obligations do not constitute a red line triggering a U.S. military response—the only way to prove the seriousness of “these norms”—all bets are off in a world already filled with uncertainties. A century ago, in the absence of clear lines or rules, it was just this kind of feel-good hope and baseless trust in the judgment of rival powers that precipitated catastrophe. But that, it may be said, was then. The world has supposedly been transformed.

But has it? Consider this article in my father’s 1938 high-school yearbook:
Quote
The machine has brought men face to face as never before in history. Paris and Berlin are closer today than neighboring villages were in the Middle Ages. In one sense distance has been annihilated. We speed on the wings of the wind and carry in our hands weapons more dreadful than the lightning … The challenge of the machine is the greatest opportunity mankind has yet enjoyed. Out of the rush and swirl of the confusions of our times may yet arise a majestic order of world peace and prosperity.
Goodbye, and tell my wife "Hello."

But, consider this article from my 1998 high school yearbook:

Quote
Life is not measured by the breaths we take but by the moments that take our breath away.

Class Hotties:
Ashley Clark and James Howard

Class Clowns:
Jeffery Todd and Brandy Meade

Kinda makes you think, doesn't it?
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on July 31, 2014, 09:42:49 AM
If you've seen White House Down, you would know why there are so many problems with the world.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on July 31, 2014, 12:37:13 PM
...................................


:fbm
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 31, 2014, 02:22:53 PM
But I thought only evil mooslims taught their children to hate the other side...

And that Israel was living in constant fear of impending death...
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Mupepe on July 31, 2014, 03:00:27 PM
I have a lot of people saying "Well why don't they just print more money like liberals say? LOL" and if I wasn't at work I'd ask them how the fuck they passed economics without understanding the difference in the situations.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 31, 2014, 03:00:38 PM
Quote from: Esch on July 31, 2014, 10:15:28 AM
:dead

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/women-should-not-laugh-in-public-turkish-deputy-pm-says-.aspx?pageID=238&nid=69732&NewsCatID=338

The USA Today app story about this was awful. The headline was something like "Turkish Official Says Women Shouldn't LOL."
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Mandark on July 31, 2014, 03:39:49 PM
Quote from: Esch on July 31, 2014, 02:50:11 PM
http://rt.com/business/argentina-court-bonds-default-410/

Not doing too well, eh?

Man, I remember reading about the default in ye olde blogosphere way back when.  Neoliberals saying Argentina had to slash its budget in order to honor its foreign debts and reassure investors and when they defaulted instead a lot of "just see how this will ruin your country!" but they bounced back really strongly from what had been ~15% unemployment and shrinking GDP.  Haven't really followed it since then but I'd be surprised if they felt a US court ruling on it was at all binding.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Mupepe on July 31, 2014, 04:33:01 PM
Quote from: The Business on July 31, 2014, 03:54:44 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 31, 2014, 03:39:49 PM
Haven't really followed it since then but I'd be surprised if they felt a US court ruling on it was at all binding.

Quote
Argentinean President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner criticized the judgment and said her government would not pay a single dollar. Economy Minister Hernan Lorenzino also opposed the decision and called it "judicial colonialism".

The default really helped Argentinian prices—before it was the most expensive country in Latin America. Now its 8 pesos to the dollar (half its valuation from just a couple years ago)—another reason they aren't going to be excited to pay back USDs. The good news in all this is that tourism in Argentina could be poised for a huge boom. The bad news is that Argentines still aren't going to be able to afford anything.
Aren't they basically going to see how the market reacts to their selective default here?  I'm genuinely curious about what you know/think since a lot of interpretation seems to be reading through the lines on how they're going to move forward.

If foreign investment really dries up their backup plan seems to be to devalue the currency further in order to not exhaust their foreign reserves and in that case their already terrible inflation will turn disastrous. 
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 31, 2014, 05:32:44 PM
Just anecdotal, but the few people (three) I know in Argentina thought in 2001ish the world was really going to end anyday and it'd be some kind of nuclear wasteland hellscape. Now they don't seem to be too concerned about things becoming significantly worse overnight, just the gradual pessimism of acceptance.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 31, 2014, 06:01:22 PM
okay

 :fbm
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 31, 2014, 06:42:04 PM
Wrath is named for an Umayyad caliph. :hitler

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Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 31, 2014, 06:42:13 PM
 :ohhh
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 31, 2014, 06:53:53 PM
What if jin is part of his cell and the bore is acting as their back channel communication?  The NSA is probably monitoring us right now*

*regardless of our saudi demographics. 
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 31, 2014, 07:00:27 PM
Biz, doesn't the the IS's caliph feign to be a blood descendent of the Prophet?

I'm trying to wrap my head around an ostensibly Sunni caliphate with Shi'a political legitimacy* whose beliefs are not entirely dissimilar than that of the Khawarij. It's like no one read a history book. Or maybe they did and that's why we've got all bases covered with this pastiche, even the irrelevant ones.

*The Abbasids did this too but, eh.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 31, 2014, 07:06:40 PM
Quote from: Exodust SoulBurn on July 31, 2014, 06:51:22 PM
:lol

I knew ISIS would do that cause for arab crazies, especially ones who call themselves the new caliphate,

Pretty sure it is also skip code.  He says that he is ISIS and doing the cause for arabs, which is that ones calls is that of the new caliphates. 
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 31, 2014, 07:13:37 PM
At least Jordan goes the whole 9 yards and declares that its entire royal family is of the Banu Hashim. :lol

I hate to say anything nice about Saudi's government, but at least the House of Saud just says it's a descendant of ibn Saud (AFAIK).
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on July 31, 2014, 07:18:23 PM
How much support is there for a new caliphate in the Middle East?
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 31, 2014, 07:18:25 PM
wait you need to be of some blood line in sunni too?  I thought their leaders where just elected (or just good military leaders)
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 31, 2014, 07:46:21 PM
http://www.thedrum.com/news/2014/07/31/selfie-addicted-russian-soldier-caught-ukrainian-territory-instagram-geo-tagging-0

:lol
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 31, 2014, 08:02:04 PM
Quote from: The Business on July 31, 2014, 07:19:25 PM
They are Hashimites—that's partly why Abdullah, Faisal, and Ali were made kings of post-Ottoman Arab states.

All Alid dynasties are (supposedly) Banu Hashim. The current Aga Khan could claim to be Hashemite; it's rather a meaningless term this far out from the dissolution of the Quraysh.

Pardon the :hans1, but I'm also skeptical of a lineage authenticated in the 19th century that traces back to the 6th done under the purview of an Ottoman state with a vested interest in keeping its eroding empire together.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: doctavius bonbon on July 31, 2014, 08:10:12 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/31/sean-hannity-russell-brand-response-geraldo_n_5637081.html

invites guests to show to dogpile russell brand, gets owned by geraldo rivera

hannity is literally the dumbest
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 31, 2014, 09:16:01 PM
Got to step up your recruitment game Wraith. 
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 01, 2014, 12:45:49 AM
Quote from: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/us-little-doubt-israel-bombed-gaza-school-2014731172852773778.html
Josh Earnest, a White House spokesman, said on Thursday that the shelling of the school in Jabaliya was "totally indefensible" and called on Israeli forces to "live up to their own standards" of protecting civilians.

Earnest said: "While we underscore the importance of a full and prompt investigation of this tragic incident, as well as a shelling of other UN facilities and schools that have been hit, it does not appear there's a lot of doubt about whose artillery was involved in this incident."

"The shelling of a UN facility that is housing innocent civilians who are fleeing violence is totally unacceptable and totally indefensible.

"We believe the Israeli government and the Israeli military need to do more to live up to the own standards that they have set for protecting innocent civilians," Earnest said.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Mandark on August 01, 2014, 01:59:03 AM
Apparently the current Argentina crisis doesn't have to do with new debts at all, but rather trying to come to agreements with the rest of the bondholders from the original default.  A bunch of the bondholders agreed to take ~30 cents on the dollar but there was still some unresolved debt out there, and a US-based hedge fund which had bought up a lot of those outstanding bonds was behind the lawsuit.

So this isn't even the people/institutions who originally lost their investments trying to get something back.  Secondary debt collectors are the devil.

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But the secondary debt market allows for more specialization and thus efficiency, as well as providing some small return to lenders on delinquent loans that would have yielded nothing, increasing their expected returns and thus lowering interest rates for borrowers.  Everyone wins!

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Secondary debt collectors are the devil.
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Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: doctavius bonbon on August 01, 2014, 03:42:42 AM
Yeah, I just saw the thread on gaf.

Literally turning their prisons into Auschwitz. At least ISIS had the decency to kill their prisoners instantly.  :-\
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on August 01, 2014, 05:58:17 AM
Quote from: Esch on August 01, 2014, 02:26:18 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2014/jul/29/barack-obama-africa-leaders-summit-economic-excuses?CMP=twt_gu

:beli
Yeah, stop courting multinationals with tax incentives. :dayum Also corruption.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on August 01, 2014, 10:05:06 AM
Quote from: Exodust SoulBurn on July 31, 2014, 06:51:22 PM
:lol

I knew ISIS would do that cause for arab crazies, especially ones who call themselves the new caliphate, winning back Jerusalem is like the holy grail. It's like winning the World Cup to them. So it's unsurprising that it would be high on their list for things to accomplish.

Yeah but, if they win back Jerusalem, how can Jesus come back?  :hitler
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: CatsCatsCats on August 01, 2014, 10:41:48 AM
Listening to democracy now this morning  :fbm

Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on August 01, 2014, 11:42:46 AM
Quote from: Mandark on August 01, 2014, 01:59:03 AM
Apparently the current Argentina crisis doesn't have to do with new debts at all, but rather trying to come to agreements with the rest of the bondholders from the original default.  A bunch of the bondholders agreed to take ~30 cents on the dollar but there was still some unresolved debt out there, and a US-based hedge fund which had bought up a lot of those outstanding bonds was behind the lawsuit.

So this isn't even the people/institutions who originally lost their investments trying to get something back.  Secondary debt collectors are the devil.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
But the secondary debt market allows for more specialization and thus efficiency, as well as providing some small return to lenders on delinquent loans that would have yielded nothing, increasing their expected returns and thus lowering interest rates for borrowers.  Everyone wins!

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Secondary debt collectors are the devil.
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If shaking down Congo-Brazzaville for 10 times what you paid for its debt and giving it to VH1's Save the Music isn't efficient resource allocation, what is?
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 01, 2014, 12:32:15 PM
Even Joe Scarborough has had enough of Israel's actions in Gaza:

Quote from: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/31/joe-scarborough-israel-gaza_n_5637408.html
Joe Scarborough took aim at Israel's bombardment of Gaza on Thursday, saying that, despite his history of support for the country, he could not condone the killing of so many Palestinian civilians.

“This continued killing of women and children in a way that appears to be indiscriminate is asinine," he said, adding, "The United States of America, we cannot be associated with this if this continues. This is so bad, not only for the Israeli people, but for us."
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: T-Short on August 01, 2014, 03:35:46 PM
http://m.vice.com/read/israeli-racism-gaza-kleinfeld-511 (http://m.vice.com/read/israeli-racism-gaza-kleinfeld-511)

:fbm
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: CatsCatsCats on August 01, 2014, 04:14:08 PM
Fuck, man
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on August 01, 2014, 07:04:55 PM
Quote from: Exodust SoulBurn on July 31, 2014, 08:26:23 PM
Quote from: Queen of Ice on July 31, 2014, 07:18:23 PM
How much support is there for a new caliphate in the Middle East?

Virtually none outside of Iraq? At least that's what my dad tells me.

thanks for the answer, boo.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on August 01, 2014, 09:29:10 PM
Quote from: Hyoushi on August 01, 2014, 03:35:46 PM
http://m.vice.com/read/israeli-racism-gaza-kleinfeld-511 (http://m.vice.com/read/israeli-racism-gaza-kleinfeld-511)

:fbm

How do Jewish people not see the utter hypocrisy and irony of wishing another race to be exterminated?  I am just at a loss for comprehension.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 01, 2014, 09:50:53 PM
Quote from: chronovore on August 01, 2014, 09:29:10 PM
How do Jewish people not see the utter hypocrisy and irony of wishing another race to be exterminated?  I am just at a loss for comprehension.
Little known fact about Judaism, it operates by Highlander rules: There can only be one [chosen people].
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 01, 2014, 10:28:36 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on August 01, 2014, 09:50:53 PM
Quote from: chronovore on August 01, 2014, 09:29:10 PM
How do Jewish people not see the utter hypocrisy and irony of wishing another race to be exterminated?  I am just at a loss for comprehension.
Little known fact about Judaism, it operates by Highlander rules: There can only be one [chosen people].

Yes, America. But that doesn't explain the Jews.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 01, 2014, 10:32:37 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 01, 2014, 10:28:36 PM
Yes, America. But that doesn't explain the Jews.
Ever see a movie where the Great Sensi trains up a warrior to defeat all his foes just to teach him who the real master is in the end?
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 02, 2014, 10:14:45 AM
Quote
...the Israeli leader advised the Obama administration "not to ever second guess me again" on the matter.

:badass
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on August 02, 2014, 12:05:08 PM
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Nationalistic Israelis have also turned on Israelis who disagree with them. Photographs have even emerged of pro-war protestors dressed in t-shirts with “Good Night Left Side” prints, a slogan usually used by European neo-Nazis. Violence from these groups has reached unprecedented levels. Last week in Haifa, a city usually presented as a model of liberal co-existence, an anti-war rally was attacked by 700 people carrying weapons.

the fuck
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 02, 2014, 08:30:26 PM
"If political leaders and military experts determine that the only way to achieve its goal of sustaining quiet is through genocide is it then permissible to achieve those responsible goals?"
~Times of Berlin, November 1938
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on August 02, 2014, 10:05:33 PM
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News anchors such as those from CNN, BBC and Al-Jazeera have not missed an opportunity to point out the majority of innocent civilians who have lost their lives as a result of this war. But anyone who lives with rocket launchers installed or terror tunnels burrowed in or around the vicinity of their home cannot be considered an innocent civilian.

I grew up near Marine Corps Air Station El Toro, I guess that means I was fair game for being bombed out of existence?

Glad they decommissioned that shit, then. :whew
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: headwalk on August 02, 2014, 10:28:43 PM
what is israel's immediate end game? they've already squeezed gaza to the point where the populace shows democratic solidarity behind an organization whose idea of diplomacy is lobbing fireworks over the border. israel has systematically destroyed their livelihoods, their homes, their infrastructure, their healthcare, their means for education and places of worship/recreation, not to mention their families and friends.

so they've taken a populace who already were pushed in to the hands of extremists and made them homeless, hungrier, less educated, with even less opportunity, with no where to relieve themselves of their shitty fucking lives and left people close to them in several separate bodybags. what is israel hoping will happen next?

is it all one big attempt to provoke a further reaction in order to justify ever more brutal punitive measures and erosions of territory/lives until the gaza strip is just the name for an israeli airport? are they hoping gaza just spontaneously implodes in a craze of mass suicides? because i honestly can't see any other potential conclusion.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on August 03, 2014, 06:35:37 AM
Quote from: headwalk on August 02, 2014, 10:28:43 PM
is it all one big attempt to provoke a further reaction in order to justify ever more brutal punitive measures and erosions of territory/lives until the gaza strip is just the name for an israeli airport?
That's the only thing that makes sense to me. "But unless Hamas..."
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: headwalk on August 03, 2014, 09:07:20 AM
another day, another door to a UN school/shelter knocked in by an f-16.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Squiddy on August 03, 2014, 10:07:17 AM
 :nsfw

https://www.facebook.com/StandingWithIDF/photos_stream

IDF supporters are kinda hot, maybe palestine supporters should do something like this too?  :-*
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on August 03, 2014, 10:38:50 AM
http://stanfordpress.typepad.com/blog/2014/07/racism-is-the-foundation-of-israels-operation-protective-edge.html

"Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism… They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now, this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They must follow their sons. Nothing would be more just. They should go, as well as the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there."
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on August 03, 2014, 10:50:11 AM
Sigh. What do you even say to that?
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on August 03, 2014, 10:51:47 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=IuU6x9mM-Es
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Squiddy on August 03, 2014, 02:35:23 PM
Hahaha, even the people in their propaganda videos look terrified  :lol
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 03, 2014, 02:37:33 PM
Quote from: Rufus on August 03, 2014, 10:50:11 AM
Sigh. What do you even say to that?

People don't think people be like they are, but they do.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 03, 2014, 10:13:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r3K2unWkps

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“The rest of the world's reaction to what's happening in Gaza is Orwellian,” Krauthammer said. “It is shocking, especially in Europe. It is a resurgence of anti-Semitism not seen since the `30s, this is a recurrence, it's all over the world, and don't tell me its anti-Zionism. You listen to the slogan, you see the sign, Hitler was right in Germany, a sign in Germany saying that this is a veneer that is a front for anti-Semitism and it is back. It's all over the world. And that's what we're now beginning to face.

Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 03, 2014, 10:26:37 PM
Want to like...so bad...must resist...uphold standards...
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2014, 10:34:33 PM
Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on August 03, 2014, 10:15:23 PM
man, he really took a hammer to those krauts

(http://i.imgur.com/EZsNgly.gif)

Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 04, 2014, 10:15:21 AM
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A British man has been arrested on suspicion of sexually abusing underage girls in Cambodia after he was seen walking hand-in-hand with an 11-year-old girl in Phnom Penh.

Geneva-born Michael Jones, thought to be from South Wales, is said to have taken at least one underage girl to a rented room in the city on several occasions, and was seen ‘hugging and kissing’ her in public.

The 55-year-old was also pictured with half-dressed eight and nine-year-old girls and with a small child nestled on his lap.

The images led to Jones' arrest on suspicion of sexually abusing girls in Cambodian capital Phnom Penh.

One 11-year-old has made allegations to police that she was paid Ł3 for sex after being taken three times to a rented room by a man.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2714891/British-paedophile-suspect-pictured-walking-hand-hand-11-year-old-girl-Cambodia.html

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/03/article-2714891-2037C82600000578-741_634x495.jpg)
 :mindblown :pacspit
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 04, 2014, 11:22:14 AM
Ł3? So not only is he a disgusting pervo, but he's also a lousy tipper. :holeup
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on August 04, 2014, 12:33:59 PM
Some intense footage from Syria

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf0-DPK5NL0&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0k9kWImIy0

:whoo
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 04, 2014, 12:51:47 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 04, 2014, 11:22:14 AM
Ł3? So not only is he a disgusting pervo, but he's also a lousy tipper. :holeup

Pretty sure she got as much tip as she could handle.  Kids just blow it all on candy anyways.   
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: CatsCatsCats on August 04, 2014, 12:58:31 PM
No, Arvie, just no.
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: demi on August 04, 2014, 01:14:00 PM
le reddit humor upvote this XD
Title: Re: Broseidon Posts Combat Videos : International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on August 04, 2014, 02:00:09 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on August 04, 2014, 12:51:47 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 04, 2014, 11:22:14 AM
Ł3? So not only is he a disgusting pervo, but he's also a lousy tipper. :holeup

Pretty sure she got as much tip as she could handle.  Kids just blow it all on candy anyways.   

(http://i.imgur.com/gxuU0Ym.gif)
Title: Re: Broseidon Posts Combat Videos : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 04, 2014, 02:05:34 PM
Gross Arvie, why did you have to turn this into a joke?
Title: Re: Broseidon Posts Combat Videos : International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 04, 2014, 02:19:43 PM
Jeez, I'm glad I went with the less offensive one. 
Title: Re: Broseidon Posts Combat Videos : International Politics Thread
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 04, 2014, 02:35:22 PM
Not amused
Not funny
Not cool
Title: Re: Broseidon Posts Combat Videos : International Politics Thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 04, 2014, 03:31:35 PM
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/town-in-hungar-hangs-netanyahu-peres-in-effigy-denounces-efforts-of-freemason-jews-to-rule-world

 :hans1 :hans1 :hans1
Title: Re: How Do I Shot Drone? : International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 04, 2014, 03:35:11 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on August 04, 2014, 12:51:47 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 04, 2014, 11:22:14 AM
Ł3? So not only is he a disgusting pervo, but he's also a lousy tipper. :holeup

Pretty sure she got as much tip as she could handle.  Kids just blow it all on candy anyways.

embarrass your country in the official international Bore thread brehs
Title: Re: Broseidon Posts Combat Videos : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 04, 2014, 03:35:39 PM
Jew Freemasons 4 life, u mad, Hungary? (http://i.imgur.com/AvFRRYd.gif)
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on August 04, 2014, 03:39:57 PM
What is Israel's game plan? Do they think it's a good thing becoming so reviled internationally through war crimes, bullying other nations, and talking smack to the countries that feed them billions? I'm just struggling to see what they are planning to get out of all of this. Everything about it looks to be bad for Israel, future-wise.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 04, 2014, 03:46:57 PM
Genocide while there's still time
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 04, 2014, 03:48:40 PM
Describe a realistic situation in which the US is not Israel's bitch. You know, one that will happen in this reality.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 04, 2014, 04:07:31 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 04, 2014, 03:48:40 PM
Describe a realistic situation in which the US is not Israel's bitch. You know, one that will happen in this reality.

Bibi flies an airliner into the Pentagon, causing Sheldon Adelson to become so shocked that he chokes to death on his cream of wheat.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 04, 2014, 04:10:45 PM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/08/04/scarborough_tells_morons_hes_been_pro-israel_since_their_mothers_were_wiping_their_behinds.html

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JOE SCARBOROUGH: You know, the thing that I have seen as the greatest tragedy over the past several weeks and had some morons attacking me -- and I can call them that -- morons attacking me online saying I'm not pro Israeli. I've been pro-Israeli since a lot of these bloggers were getting their you-know-whats wiped by their mothers in diapers.

(http://i.imgur.com/E0xHQ0p.png)
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 04, 2014, 04:18:44 PM
Yeah, Joe Scarborough getting attacked for not being pro-Israel is one of the great tragedies of our time. Second only to the daily tragedy that is The Morning Joe.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 04, 2014, 04:27:34 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 04, 2014, 04:18:44 PM
Yeah, Joe Scarborough getting attacked for not being pro-Israel is one of the great tragedies of our time. Second only to the daily tragedy that is The Morning Joe.
See, it's a pun because that's also used to mean coffee you have in the morning.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 04, 2014, 04:29:58 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on August 04, 2014, 04:27:34 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 04, 2014, 04:18:44 PM
Yeah, Joe Scarborough getting attacked for not being pro-Israel is one of the great tragedies of our time. Second only to the daily tragedy that is The Morning Joe.
See, it's a pun because that's also used to mean coffee you have in the morning.

:ohhh
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 04, 2014, 05:00:18 PM
don't ask me how
:whew
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: doctavius bonbon on August 04, 2014, 05:38:35 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on August 04, 2014, 04:10:45 PM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/08/04/scarborough_tells_morons_hes_been_pro-israel_since_their_mothers_were_wiping_their_behinds.html

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JOE SCARBOROUGH: You know, the thing that I have seen as the greatest tragedy over the past several weeks and had some morons attacking me -- and I can call them that -- morons attacking me online saying I'm not pro Israeli. I've been pro-Israeli since a lot of these bloggers were getting their you-know-whats wiped by their mothers in diapers.

(http://i.imgur.com/E0xHQ0p.png)

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JOE SCARBOROUGH: "Would the United States of America be firing into places where day after day after day after day after day, where 5- 6- 7-...8 year old babies were being pulled out of rubble?"

(http://i.imgur.com/lqJ6ggs.png) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War_documents_leak)

Tell us more about our moral superiority, Joe.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: doctavius bonbon on August 04, 2014, 05:40:06 PM
Quote from: Esch on August 04, 2014, 05:38:50 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/president-obama-russia-doesnt-make-anything-9645955.html

someone please smiley obama in that pic :rofl

gimme a few minutes
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on August 04, 2014, 05:44:53 PM
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The life expectancy of the Russian male is around 60 years old.

http://www.ox.ac.uk/media/news_stories/2009/090115.html
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: doctavius bonbon on August 04, 2014, 05:53:19 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/zEU5Wdp.png)
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 04, 2014, 06:00:19 PM
Good to see Obummer coming around to McCain's statement that Russia is just a gas station.

Romney Was Right.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 04, 2014, 06:36:47 PM
We used to build shit in this country. In Soviet Russia, country used to build you into shit.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2014, 04:22:10 PM
But they could have just taken their grievances to upper management and had a constructive conversation about it instead of leaking documents, like Obama said.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on August 05, 2014, 04:48:29 PM
The Peshmerga retreated from combat with Islamic State.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/08/04/iraq-islamic-state-dams/13586823/
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Momo on August 05, 2014, 04:55:15 PM
Quote from: doctavius bonbon on August 04, 2014, 05:53:19 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/zEU5Wdp.png)
How dare you leave out Putin (http://i.imgur.com/3BciAT9.png)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
oh god, why must I only have poverty tools right now
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Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 05, 2014, 05:05:01 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2014, 04:22:10 PM
But they could have just taken their grievances to upper management and had a constructive conversation about it instead of leaking documents, like Obama said.
Why doesn't Hamas do this?
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: doctavius bonbon on August 05, 2014, 06:49:57 PM
cenk taking a half hour to break it down

 :bow young turks  :bow2
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2014, 07:31:04 PM
Can't cosign them solely on the basis of how many times I've clicked on a video expecting it to be...the thing I clicked for, only to realize it's just a YT recap video.
:beli

Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: fizzel on August 05, 2014, 07:51:25 PM
That's salmond is a dangerous cunt, 6 weeks from the referendum and he still doesn't have the basics hammered out.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Squiddy on August 06, 2014, 05:37:22 AM
Has Hamas ever tried a Gandhi-style non-violent protest?

Even now that Israel is practically speaking engaged in genocide, plenty of westerners have a hard time supporting Palestine because of Hamas fitting the jihad/muslim/alalalalakbar stereotype to the T.

IDF is using Hamas like the tools they are to continue to grab land for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 06, 2014, 05:57:21 AM
War, what is it good for?
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Eric P on August 06, 2014, 09:05:29 AM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/06/the-isis-online-campaign-luring-western-girls-to-jihad.html
daily beast so you know

The ISIS Online Campaign Luring Western Girls to Jihad

BEIRUT, Lebanon — The self-proclaimed Islamic State, formerly known by the acronym ISIS, is actively recruiting Western women and girls. And in the process this “caliphate” that now occupies large swathes of Syria and Iraq is showing, once again, that it’s almost as shrewd with social media as it is ruthless on the battlefield.

The tweets and blogs apparently are written by Western women married to jihadi warriors. They aim to persuade would-be “sisters” in Europe and the United States to travel to the Middle East to help this al-Qaeda spinoff build its extremist vision of an Islamic society.

Potential caliph-ettes (as one is tempted to call them) are told their main contribution to the Islamic revolution will be through matrimony, not martyrdom; child-bearing, not gun-toting. One blogger called “Bird of Jannah” purrs: “Women are not equal to men. It can never be. Men are the leaders & women are [so] special that Allah has given them entire chapter in the Qur’an.”

Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Squiddy on August 06, 2014, 11:33:18 AM
Quote from: Eric P on August 06, 2014, 09:05:29 AM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/06/the-isis-online-campaign-luring-western-girls-to-jihad.html
daily beast so you know

The ISIS Online Campaign Luring Western Girls to Jihad

BEIRUT, Lebanon — The self-proclaimed Islamic State, formerly known by the acronym ISIS, is actively recruiting Western women and girls. And in the process this “caliphate” that now occupies large swathes of Syria and Iraq is showing, once again, that it’s almost as shrewd with social media as it is ruthless on the battlefield.

The tweets and blogs apparently are written by Western women married to jihadi warriors. They aim to persuade would-be “sisters” in Europe and the United States to travel to the Middle East to help this al-Qaeda spinoff build its extremist vision of an Islamic society.

Potential caliph-ettes (as one is tempted to call them) are told their main contribution to the Islamic revolution will be through matrimony, not martyrdom; child-bearing, not gun-toting. One blogger called “Bird of Jannah” purrs: “Women are not equal to men. It can never be. Men are the leaders & women are [so] special that Allah has given them entire chapter in the Qur’an.”

Islamic Feminists  :umad
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 06, 2014, 11:39:12 AM
"caliph-ettes (as one is tempted to call them)"

Not really.  :beli
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Squiddy on August 06, 2014, 11:57:09 AM
Bird of Jannah's blog  :lol

http://birds-of-jannah.tumblr.com/

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/4029402b4df369992ea43379982cf7e0/tumblr_n0z8c6xjyW1tq12iko1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Squiddy on August 06, 2014, 01:27:58 PM
I bet they have great sex.
I can tell from her eyes she's a beast in bed. 
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on August 06, 2014, 04:38:14 PM
Quote from: Esch on August 05, 2014, 07:36:06 PM
Nothing new from that video, but I did find out through it that the Likud charter also rejects a Palestinian state, which is interesting.

Yeah, no one really talks about Neo-Zionism (which supplanted Revisionist Zionism in Likud in the 70s I want to say).
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 06, 2014, 06:55:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om6QK0wYYS0

thanks obama
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on August 06, 2014, 11:05:11 PM
http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/08/05/kim_jong_un_went_to_a_lubricant_factory

(http://i.imgur.com/CQP0oEh.jpg)
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 07, 2014, 07:08:27 AM
So after he went to the lubricant factory he also went to a McNugget factory?
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on August 07, 2014, 07:48:21 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 07, 2014, 07:08:27 AM
So after he went to the lubricant factory he also went to a McNugget factory?
:yuck
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 07, 2014, 08:42:57 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 07, 2014, 07:08:27 AM
So after he went to the lubricant factory he also went to a McNugget factory?

That was the McNugget factory.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 07, 2014, 10:09:27 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 07, 2014, 08:42:57 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 07, 2014, 07:08:27 AM
So after he went to the lubricant factory he also went to a McNugget factory?

That was the McNugget factory.

That was the joke.  :beli
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 07, 2014, 10:11:01 AM
OKAY
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: sarslip on August 07, 2014, 01:03:55 PM
Cenk kills it.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Momo on August 07, 2014, 02:25:51 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 07, 2014, 10:09:27 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 07, 2014, 08:42:57 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 07, 2014, 07:08:27 AM
So after he went to the lubricant factory he also went to a McNugget factory?

That was the McNugget factory.

That was the joke.  :beli
(http://i.imgur.com/gHapWL8.png)
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: sarslip on August 07, 2014, 02:28:08 PM
Chomsky doesn't mince words.

http://www.democracynow.org/2014/8/7/a_hideous_atrocity_noam_chomsky_on
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Mandark on August 07, 2014, 03:48:04 PM
wut
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Momo on August 07, 2014, 03:53:16 PM
It would be really nice if someone could prop up the Kurds, but I have a feeling if its the USA its just going to come back and bite the world in the ass. Would be nice if Turkey and the EU could step up there.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on August 07, 2014, 04:00:29 PM
The US did prop up the Kurds with the no-fly zones in the 90s. I won't touch on PJAK because it's a little too :hans1, but there's that too.

It's still unclear to me how indicative the Peshmerga's loss to IS forces was, I was under the impression that they were a reasonably effective fighting force.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: huckleberry on August 07, 2014, 06:15:46 PM
Quote from: Momo on August 07, 2014, 03:53:16 PM
It would be really nice if someone could prop up the Kurds, but I have a feeling if its the USA its just going to come back and bite the world in the ass. Would be nice if Turkey and the EU could step up there.

oil and water.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Steve Contra on August 07, 2014, 06:20:05 PM
It would be nice if the US never had anything to do with Iraq ever again.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Squiddy on August 07, 2014, 06:52:22 PM
Quote from: Momo on August 07, 2014, 03:53:16 PM
It would be really nice if someone could prop up the Kurds, but I have a feeling if its the USA its just going to come back and bite the world in the ass. Would be nice if Turkey and the EU could step up there.

Yeah, swing some of that US cash this way and I'll get something done.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 07, 2014, 07:03:22 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on August 07, 2014, 06:20:05 PM
It would be nice if the US never had anything to do with Iraq ever again.

well, when does the oil run out?
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on August 07, 2014, 07:53:04 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on August 07, 2014, 07:03:22 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on August 07, 2014, 06:20:05 PM
It would be nice if the US never had anything to do with Iraq ever again.

well, when does the oil run out?

What's weird is I've been seeing so many articles on alternative energy lately, with studies showing how "just this much land devoted to solar in Africa" could power the entirety of the EU, or how a combination of alternates in California could power the entire state... and it always leads me to wonder why we aren't performing some kind of New Deal to shift over to this kind of thing.

We could be free of all this middle-east bullshit in a few years, let those states settle their own differences on their own, without the benefit of a heap of interference and money from the outside.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2014, 09:00:54 PM
Quote from: halgorithmic on August 07, 2014, 06:15:46 PM
Quote from: Momo on August 07, 2014, 03:53:16 PM
It would be really nice if someone could prop up the Kurds, but I have a feeling if its the USA its just going to come back and bite the world in the ass. Would be nice if Turkey and the EU could step up there.

oil and water.

to paraphrase Q-Tip, brown is brown.
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Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: huckleberry on August 07, 2014, 09:24:11 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2014, 09:00:54 PM
Quote from: halgorithmic on August 07, 2014, 06:15:46 PM
Quote from: Momo on August 07, 2014, 03:53:16 PM
It would be really nice if someone could prop up the Kurds, but I have a feeling if its the USA its just going to come back and bite the world in the ass. Would be nice if Turkey and the EU could step up there.

oil and water.

to paraphrase Q-Tip, brown is brown.
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Giving Turkey influence over the Kurds or a potential Kurdish state is like giving the fox the keys to the henhouse.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on August 07, 2014, 09:41:53 PM
Any viable Kurdish state will have to have involved relations with Turkey, unless the Viable State Fairy visits the successor state(s) to Iraq and / or Syria, or Iran stops being an international pariah.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: huckleberry on August 07, 2014, 10:00:08 PM
Relations with Turkey sure...I'm just saying it's not exactly in the Kurds best interest to give them carte blanche by "propping" up a Kurdish state.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2014, 10:42:59 PM
I don't support the intervention but still...thank god John fucking McCain (or Mitt Romney) isn't president right now.
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@ZekeJMiller 12m

SAO saying Obama would send War Powers letter indicates that are not relying on 2002 Iraq War Resolution
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Momo on August 07, 2014, 11:52:08 PM
Quote from: halgorithmic on August 07, 2014, 06:15:46 PM
Quote from: Momo on August 07, 2014, 03:53:16 PM
It would be really nice if someone could prop up the Kurds, but I have a feeling if its the USA its just going to come back and bite the world in the ass. Would be nice if Turkey and the EU could step up there.

oil and water.
Uh yes, the reason I singled out Turkey and not any other state is I said it would be 'nice'. Killing the Turk/Kurd beef and setting the Kurds up to have their state. Ideal world scenario
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on August 08, 2014, 12:50:09 AM
Quote from: halgorithmic on August 07, 2014, 10:00:08 PM
Relations with Turkey sure...I'm just saying it's not exactly in the Kurds best interest to give them carte blanche by "propping" up a Kurdish state.

I know that's the word Momo used, but assuming the IS thing wasn't demonstrative (I believe the Peshmerga are trying to retake Mosul atm, so it doesn't seem that way), would a Kurdish state comprising what's presently Iraqi Kurdistan need to be propped up beyond having a strong trading partner with a port? (The fate of all landlocked nations.)

The KRG is (comparatively speaking) a functioning political actor and the region has been left to its own devices for quite some time (i.e. has been able to develop economically).

The only thing I can think of is guaranteeing its security (against Iran, possibly Iraq), but Iran really isn't in a position atm to go sabre rattling.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Fifstar on August 08, 2014, 03:52:26 AM
Doesn't Turkey and especially Erdogan (more or less synonymous thesedays) have an okay to  good relationship with the Kurds in Iraq and they have helped them in the past? Even in turkey Erdogan made some steps towards the kurds there in the last years and during his presidential campaign. Problem is that Erdogan seems to have alienated a lot of his international partners which makes it harder for him to coordinate support.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Mandark on August 08, 2014, 04:07:31 AM
Here (http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/kurdish-crescent-on-the-horizon/article6288533.ece) is a decent summary on the Kurdish political situation, including Turkey's counterintuitively good relations with the Iraqi Kurds (or at least Barzani).

I'll be honest, the news of the Peshmerga getting beat has me a bit shook.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Momo on August 08, 2014, 09:38:09 AM
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/08/04/South-Africa-Rallies-For-Israel/

Come visit me brehs :rejoice
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: huckleberry on August 08, 2014, 10:06:52 AM
Quote from: Karakand on August 08, 2014, 12:50:09 AM
Quote from: halgorithmic on August 07, 2014, 10:00:08 PM
Relations with Turkey sure...I'm just saying it's not exactly in the Kurds best interest to give them carte blanche by "propping" up a Kurdish state.

I know that's the word Momo used, but assuming the IS thing wasn't demonstrative (I believe the Peshmerga are trying to retake Mosul atm, so it doesn't seem that way), would a Kurdish state comprising what's presently Iraqi Kurdistan need to be propped up beyond having a strong trading partner with a port? (The fate of all landlocked nations.)

The KRG is (comparatively speaking) a functioning political actor and the region has been left to its own devices for quite some time (i.e. has been able to develop economically).

The only thing I can think of is guaranteeing its security (against Iran, possibly Iraq), but Iran really isn't in a position atm to go sabre rattling.

Turkish cooperation with the Kurds in Iraq is pretty essential to keeping IS(IS) at bay in  the area. 
I was referring more to Turkish influence over a potential Kurdish state. The Kurdish population in Turkey have long been repressed and an independent Kurdish state would attract much more attention from the ethnic Kurds in Turkey desiring to join with it. Hell, the largest part of the Kurdish population and historical territory lies within Turkey itself.
Maybe Turkish attitudes towards the Kurds has changed since Erdogan due to the political reality of the eventual reality of them seeing statehood.  From my experience in southern Turkey there is a real ethnic dislike of the Kurds that runs deeper than PKK killings.  I guess the ceasefire is still standing with the PKK? I haven't followed the issue in a while.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Momo on August 08, 2014, 10:34:23 AM
Quote from: Esch on August 08, 2014, 09:39:16 AM
Quote from: Momo on August 08, 2014, 09:38:09 AM
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/08/04/South-Africa-Rallies-For-Israel/

Come visit me brehs :rejoice

rally for apartheid after you run out of apartheid, brehs
:rejoice
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on August 08, 2014, 12:07:47 PM
Quote from: Fifstar on August 08, 2014, 03:52:26 AM
Doesn't Turkey and especially Erdogan (more or less synonymous thesedays) have an okay to  good relationship with the Kurds in Iraq and they have helped them in the past? Even in turkey Erdogan made some steps towards the kurds there in the last years and during his presidential campaign. Problem is that Erdogan seems to have alienated a lot of his international partners which makes it harder for him to coordinate support.

His primary political rival is Kemalism and a large part of his stay in power has rested on economic success, resolving the issue peacefully and sustainably is in his (and his party's) best interest.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 09, 2014, 01:29:02 AM
Quote from: Esch on August 08, 2014, 09:39:16 AM
rally for apartheid after you run out of apartheid, brehs
This is why you should stockpile like that one girl Jerry dated instead of waiting until the last minute like Elaine.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Momo on August 09, 2014, 02:38:34 PM
Quote from: Momo on August 08, 2014, 10:34:23 AM
Quote from: Esch on August 08, 2014, 09:39:16 AM
Quote from: Momo on August 08, 2014, 09:38:09 AM
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/08/04/South-Africa-Rallies-For-Israel/

Come visit me brehs :rejoice

rally for apartheid after you run out of apartheid, brehs
:rejoice
https://twitter.com/CapeTown/status/498129839493509120

Come visit me brehs :rejoice
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on August 09, 2014, 02:57:03 PM
Quote from: Momo on August 09, 2014, 02:38:34 PM
https://twitter.com/CapeTown/status/498129839493509120

Come visit me brehs :rejoice

https://twitter.com/CubanGorilla/status/498155877162319872

:umad
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 09, 2014, 03:15:42 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 08, 2014, 04:07:31 AM
Here (http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/kurdish-crescent-on-the-horizon/article6288533.ece) is a decent summary on the Kurdish political situation, including Turkey's counterintuitively good relations with the Iraqi Kurds (or at least Barzani).

I'll be honest, the news of the Peshmerga getting beat has me a bit shook.

The prowess of the Pershmerga is apparently over exaggerated.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/shock-and-awe
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: doctavius bonbon on August 09, 2014, 03:51:22 PM
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/08/kurds-rescue-yazidis-from-iraq-mountain-201489135227783157.html

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Iraqi Kurdish security forces have opened a road to Sinjar Mountain in northwestern Iraq, rescuing more than 5,000 Yazidis trapped there after running away from fighters from the Islamic State (IS) group, a Kurdish army spokesman has told Al Jazeera.

"I can confirm that we succeeded in reaching the mountains and opening a road for the refugees," said Halgord Hikmet, a spokesman for the peshmergas the Kurdish security forces.
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US warplanes have launched several waves of airstrikes against IS group fighters in northern Iraq since Friday.

Aerial drones and F-18 fighter jets have attacked fighter positions close to the Kurdish capital of Erbil.

The airstrikes seek to allow the federal and Kurdish governments to claw back areas lost in two months of conflict.

On Friday and Saturday, the US also dropped food and water for the Yazidis hiding on Sinjar Mountain. The UK is also delivering aid and has announced it is sending medics to northern Iraq.

:rejoice
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 09, 2014, 10:26:49 PM
https://twitter.com/Alansarialjanab/status/498177205944713216/photo/1
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 09, 2014, 10:45:45 PM
Why did I click that link? Now I'm gonna have to convince some CIA agents that I'm not a sleeper.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on August 09, 2014, 11:44:43 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 09, 2014, 10:45:45 PM
Why did I click that link? Now I'm gonna have to convince some CIA agents that I'm not a sleeper.

Yeah I'm already on a bunch of lists intentionally, I don't need to be on ones unintentionally too.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 09, 2014, 11:52:03 PM
None of that matters as long as you're on the White Person List. :lenowned
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on August 10, 2014, 12:21:21 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 09, 2014, 11:52:03 PM
None of that matters as long as you're on the White Person List. :lenowned

It matters lol.

I'll just get several interviews before being renditioned.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 10, 2014, 12:38:56 AM
Normal people will be okay, though.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 10, 2014, 01:36:44 AM
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Tariq Abbas ‏@Algirish10  11h
@Alansarialjanab Why you ignoring me? I asked why are Shuaytat not Muslims? If you're going to make takfir of Muslims, at leat have daleel.

Tariq Abbas ‏@Algirish10  9h
@Alansarialjanab so I ask for dalil, n I become a dog and a madkhali. Sum-mun-buk-mun-um-yun is the only explanation there is for your type.
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@Alansarialjanab That is Obama's cellphone.
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Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on August 10, 2014, 04:06:05 AM
I would rather make something beautiful and destroy myself. They would rather make something ruinous and beatify themselves. :yeshrug
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 10, 2014, 05:01:27 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/09/world/middleeast/fear-of-another-benghazi-drove-white-house-to-airstrikes-in-iraq.html
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Looming over that discussion, and the decision to return the United States to a war Mr. Obama had built his political career disparaging, was the specter of an earlier tragedy: the September 2012 attack on the diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, which killed four Americans, including Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens, and has become a potent symbol of weakness for critics of the president.

...

“We have an embassy in Baghdad, we have a consulate in Erbil, and we have to make sure that they are not threatened,” Mr. Obama said in an interview on Friday with Thomas L. Friedman of The New York Times. “Part of the rationale for the announcement yesterday was an encroachment close enough to Erbil that it would justify us taking shots.”
So he finally admits it. Looks like this Presidency is over.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 10, 2014, 09:48:09 AM
 :snoop
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: T-Short on August 10, 2014, 04:17:52 PM
(http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/gaza080714/s_g05_53239706.jpg)

"now write I will not question the legitimacy of the jewish state of israel a thousand times"
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on August 10, 2014, 06:48:06 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/kurds-need-us-help-to-prevent-islamic-state-horrors/2014/08/10/e25e4990-20a2-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html

Authored by the KRG's current president.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on August 10, 2014, 07:48:25 PM
Twitter n shit is on fire with people talking about Baghdad. People going on about chaos in the city and a potential coup. IDK, give it a while for things to clear up imo.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on August 11, 2014, 05:02:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IXK7I-6OvU&app=desktop

Jesus
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on August 11, 2014, 05:08:59 PM
Quote from: Broseidon on August 10, 2014, 07:48:25 PM
Twitter n shit is on fire with people talking about Baghdad. People going on about chaos in the city and a potential coup. IDK, give it a while for things to clear up imo.

President appointed a new PM (from al-Maliki's party).

al-Maliki supposedly had special forces units "loyal to him" (whatever that means to the USA Today / WaPo ilk) manning key intersections in Baghdad.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on August 11, 2014, 05:59:01 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/TbrCtrA.png)
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on August 11, 2014, 06:17:49 PM
The first Trolliphate?

Or was that Qurtuba? :heh

Tarikh Maghribi. :rejoice
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Momo on August 12, 2014, 12:52:49 PM
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=163537471

Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 12, 2014, 02:02:36 PM
Quote from: Esch on August 12, 2014, 01:22:05 AM
:whew if I was an Iraqi I'd hate the US so much

 we've been playing around with these people's shit for SO many years.

We've been bombing Iraq since before the first Gulf War. Plus imagine how many people there are like "Saddam was a dick but at least I was safe from beheading and random bombings..."
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 12, 2014, 04:19:38 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 12, 2014, 02:02:36 PM
Quote from: Esch on August 12, 2014, 01:22:05 AM
:whew if I was an Iraqi I'd hate the US so much

 we've been playing around with these people's shit for SO many years.

We've been bombing Iraq since before the first Gulf War. Plus imagine how many people there are like "Saddam was a dick but at least I was safe from beheading and random bombings..."

That's probably what we'll say about Hillary after she gets put on trial by the Islamic Caliphate, and they install President Allahu Akbar bin-Laden as the new democratically elected leader of America
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on August 12, 2014, 07:46:34 PM
We also fueled the Iran-Iraq war (after it started) because no one :umad about 1979 like the U.S. government.

In other news, I can't wait to hear, "But he cares about income inequality!"

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/08/12/vatican-iraq/13946961/

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VATICAN CITY (AP) — The Vatican is urging Muslim leaders to denounce the "barbarity" of the Islamic State's attacks against Christians and other minorities in Iraq, saying their credibility is on the line.

The Vatican's Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue, the main Vatican office that deals with the Muslim world, said Tuesday that the forced expulsions and massacres of Christians and minority Yazidis shamed humanity and couldn't be justified by any religion.

The office said the "unspeakable criminal acts" — the beheading, crucifying and hanging of bodies in public places, the "barbaric practice of infibulation," the abduction of women and girls as spoils of war, and the destruction of Christian religious symbols — required a "clear and courageous stance on the part of religious leaders, especially Muslims."

"If not, what credibility will religions, their followers and their leaders have?" the statement warned.

Pope Francis has stepped up his denunciation of the attacks against Christians. He has also sent a personal envoy, Cardinal Fernando Filoni, to the region to show solidarity with the victims, provide them with emergency funding and meet with Iraqi and Kurdish leaders. The Fides missionary news agency said Filoni was heading to Iraq via Jordan on Tuesday.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 13, 2014, 12:51:41 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TTU54q9jBA
:lawd

be a US journalist brehs

Same applies to the never ending "if we armed the Syrian rebels they could have defeated Assad!" bullshit. Really reminds me of 2011 when every politician in Washington was calling for a no fly zone in Libya...which would have had no effect in Qadaffi's ground forces. The allure of advocating stupid policy that doesn't do anything except make you look "strong" on defense...
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 13, 2014, 01:21:28 AM
He should have just said "No."
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 13, 2014, 01:16:55 PM
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/dennis-michael-lynch-isis-america
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A conservative filmmaker said Wednesday during an appearance on "Fox & Friends" that he's convinced ISIS is in America and that members of the jihadist group entered the country by crossing the U.S.-Mexico border.

Dennis Michael Lynch, whose work focuses on the border and illegal immigration, appeared on the show to discuss immigration.

"I would guarantee you, in fact I would bet my life on the fact -- your last guest just said about ISIS coming into America -- I would guarantee you, they're already here," Lynch said. "I have worked in the desert and I have caught these people before and I've seen Qurans, prayer rugs, you name it. They're already here."
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 13, 2014, 01:32:47 PM
The "prayer rug" that was found was actually a soccer shirt:

Quote from: http://wonkette.com/553909/dead-breitbart-freaks-out-over-muslim-prayer-rug-found-near-border-sheeple-see-only-a-shirt
Still, it’s a hell of a catch by brave patriots, and possible evidence that America is under siege by a force even more threatening than al Qaeda: Footy hooligans.

:lol
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 13, 2014, 01:42:15 PM
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“That’s when I saw this thing laying around. And I was like, ‘What the hell is that?’ We walked over there and I didn’t really want to pull at it not knowing what was on it. I poked a bit at it with a stick and noticed some of the Arabic writing and was just like, ‘Oh boy.’ I snapped a couple of photos and then went on our patrol.”
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on August 13, 2014, 10:06:07 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/gJ3h2RC.png)
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on August 14, 2014, 09:39:27 PM
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/maliki-announces-relinquishing-power-to-rival-in-iraq


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BAGHDAD (AP) — Nouri al-Maliki, Iraq's prime minister for the past eight years, says he is relinquishing the post to fellow Dawa Party member Haider al-Abadi.

Al-Maliki says his decision is based on his desire to "safeguard the high interests of the country," adding that he will not be the cause of any bloodshed.

"I will stay a combat soldier to defend Iraq and its people," he added in the televised address late Thursday, with al-Abadi standing by his side.

Iraq's President Fouad Massoum named al-Abadi on Monday to form the next government, but al-Maliki had until now refused to step aside.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 15, 2014, 09:12:39 AM
I got people at work telling me that ISIS wants to be recognized as the official Muslim state, the way the Vatican is an independent nation, and that doing so will turn every mosque in America into an embassy and that they would then send over ISIS fighters as diplomats and give them full diplomatic immunity.

I was like "Well, um ISIS isn't officially recognized as a country by anyone, so I wouldn't worry about it."

And they were like "Well yeah, but that's what they're trying to do!"

And I was like "oh okay"
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 15, 2014, 09:19:00 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 15, 2014, 09:12:39 AM
I got people at work telling me that ISIS wants to be recognized as the official Muslim state, the way the Vatican is an independent nation, and that doing so will turn every mosque in America into an embassy and that they would then send over ISIS fighters as diplomats and give them full diplomatic immunity.

I was like "Well, um ISIS isn't officially recognized as a country by anyone, so I wouldn't worry about it."

And they were like "Well yeah, but that's what they're trying to do!"

And I was like "oh okay"

(http://i.imgur.com/l5s05yc.jpg)
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on August 15, 2014, 09:29:58 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 15, 2014, 09:12:39 AM
I got people at work telling me that ISIS wants to be recognized as the official Muslim state, the way the Vatican is an independent nation, and that doing so will turn every mosque in America into an embassy and that they would then send over ISIS fighters as diplomats and give them full diplomatic immunity.

I was like "Well, um ISIS isn't officially recognized as a country by anyone, so I wouldn't worry about it."

And they were like "Well yeah, but that's what they're trying to do!"

And I was like "oh okay"

How did you contain your laughter? (http://i.imgur.com/P6ivYyO.png)
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Squiddy on August 15, 2014, 09:38:01 AM
The whole "Ambassador as a criminal"-trope never ceases to amuse me.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 15, 2014, 01:07:18 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 15, 2014, 09:12:39 AM
I got people at work telling me that ISIS wants to be recognized as the official Muslim state, the way the Vatican is an independent nation, and that doing so will turn every mosque in America into an embassy and that they would then send over ISIS fighters as diplomats and give them full diplomatic immunity.

I was like "Well, um ISIS isn't officially recognized as a country by anyone, so I wouldn't worry about it."

And they were like "Well yeah, but that's what they're trying to do!"

And I was like "oh okay"
So Catholic Churches are embassies? Useful information...
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2014, 12:44:10 AM
A brief overview of my workplace responses to national or global politics questions/statements:

"Yea, pretty sad news"

"Seems like a pretty difficult issue"

"sorry to hear that"

"Israel has a right to defend itself"
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2014, 12:55:58 AM
I'm just trying to eat breh.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 18, 2014, 12:56:09 AM
And the subject was Rick Perry getting indicted!
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on August 18, 2014, 08:03:48 AM
Quote from: Esch on August 15, 2014, 10:02:20 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 15, 2014, 09:12:39 AM
I got people at work telling me that ISIS wants to be recognized as the official Muslim state, the way the Vatican is an independent nation, and that doing so will turn every mosque in America into an embassy and that they would then send over ISIS fighters as diplomats and give them full diplomatic immunity.

I was like "Well, um ISIS isn't officially recognized as a country by anyone, so I wouldn't worry about it."

And they were like "Well yeah, but that's what they're trying to do!"

And I was like "oh okay"

I don't argue about politics with workpeople or anything unless they specifically ask me. I'm suffocating in a right wing talking point shithole online, I don't need it in real life

(http://i.imgur.com/wccaY.gif)
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 18, 2014, 04:04:53 PM
http://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2014/08/18/the-gop-needs-to-return-to-a-feared-by-our-enemies-foreign-policy-n1879026/page/full
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The GOP is in the midst of a public foreign policy debate. Debate is fine, but as Republican we must agree on some basic premises. The most important premise is that instead of laughing at us, our enemies should be terrified of us.

Yes, terrified. The world isn’t some sort of fantasy milieu of earnest, huggy people who want to work together to forge a brighter tomorrow for all the world’s citizens. It’s full of bad people, many of whom want us enslaved if not dead. They aren’t bad because we’re rich, or insufficiently carbon neutral, or any of that other nonsense. They are bad because they are bad, and our foreign policy needs to recognize the necessity of confronting and destroying them wherever they are.

Anything less is childish naďveté that will kill Americans down the road.

Foreign policy isn't a theoretical discussion in some college seminar led by a pony-tailed grad student who frets about “imperialism” and has never held a M16. I understand the idea and appeal of non-interventionism, and in some cases I'm even sympathetic – after all, I was twice one of those guys intervening.

But prior poorly executed and thought-out engagements overseas do not somehow give us a pass on our responsibilities in the future. We are the United States of America. There is no nation comparable – at least none on the good guys’ side – and if we decide to pull up stakes from the world, we are making a conscious choice to cede it to our enemies.

Yes, enemies. Those who oppose those are not simply unhappy because we support the democracies they hate or because they are aggrieved over some imagined slight. They are evil. A lot of people, including some Republicans, don’t want to face the concrete fact that evil exists. Denial doesn’t alter reality; it makes skyscrapers collapse.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on August 18, 2014, 04:12:43 PM
Spoken like a true military industrial complex lappy who won't have any skin in the game when it comes down to a fight.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 18, 2014, 04:47:19 PM
Another article from the same guy:

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Ironically, the blizzard of YJ-82X cruise missiles launched from the Chinese subs lying off the coast of Baja California crossed the beach directly over the SEAL training complex on Coronado. America had decided that its special forces were a cheap substitute for the less glamorous hardware and formations that had traditionally been the foundation of American military power. Now, those elite warriors watched helplessly as the missiles roared overhead north toward the two carriers berthed at North Island.

The casualties would have been much higher if the Navy had been able to fully man the U.S.S. Carl Vinson and the U.S.S. Ronald Reagan. As it was, when the missiles tore into their hulls and exploded, only several hundred sailors died instead of thousands. Still, in a few moments, two of America’s nine carriers were twisted hulks spewing radioactive smoke. Another dozen Navy ships berthed at local bases were in flames.

Only the people lining the downtown San Diego waterfront saw what was happening, though local TV camera crews were filming the carnage live. Their stations tried to upload the footage to the network satellites but they could not connect. The satellites were gone, knocked out by Russian ASAT missiles.

The rest of America was oblivious to the catastrophe in San Diego, and the similar disaster in Norfolk.

The TV stations next tried the Internet, but it was as if someone had just flicked it off. There was nothing but electronic silence. A coordinated cyber strike had hacked through America’s electronic defenses and shut down the web. Many of the hacks came not from Chinese and Russian teams across the world but from agents within America, infiltrated into key positions in American government and business, who introduced their malware directly into vital systems with thumb drives.

Simultaneously, outside major metropolises, groups of well-trained commandos, driving SUVs, followed the routes between power transmission stations that they had rehearsed using paper street maps (America’s GPS satellites having been eliminated in the opening minutes). With rifles, they opened fire on the critical transformer equipment, which was guarded only by chain link fences and cameras that no one monitored. When the irreplaceable equipment was shorted out and burning, they drove on to the next site and destroyed it. Between the cyber chaos and physical attacks, cities began to black out.

America ground to a halt, blind and paralyzed.

At sea in the Far East, anti-ship ballistic missiles appeared on the screens of the U.S.S. George Washington, the flagship of the only American carrier task force still in the Pacific. The guided missile cruisers cut when military budgets were slashed to fund record entitlement spending might have been able to save it. As it was, the missiles dived in at hypersonic speeds, punching through the flight deck and ripping the mighty ship apart.

American warships, for so long the hunters, became the hunted. Within a few hours, America’s 265-ship Navy had become a 100-ship Navy.

The President was about to speak at a rally to protest the opposition party’s “War on the Poor.” The other side had suggested holding military budget cuts to 15% instead of 18%, and the President was gleefully citing the cruelty of the opposition for funding the military-industrial complex on the backs of those living off of entitlements.

The military’s first instinct was to hustle the President to the 747 flying command post aircraft, which the enemy expected. The enemy could have disrupted that plan if it wished with an attack on the airfield by commandos, but they preferred the President remain in control.

The President’s flying command post took off, guarded by a flight of four F-15C fighters that were pushing 35 years old. It would have been six escorts, but two planes were down awaiting parts.

The President’s senior military advisor was a general, chosen for the job not because of a sterling combat record but for being the Public Affairs section’s telegenic face of “The New Military.” The general would have been hard pressed to explain the President’s options if they had not been so stark.

“Your options? You do have the capacity to launch a nuclear strike,” said the general.

There were still 100 Minuteman III missiles in silos in Montana that had not been eliminated during the last round of arms negotiations. Due to cuts in maintenance, only 62 were functional that day; they were safe from cyber-attack only because their 1970’s era computer systems were literally too primitive to be hacked. And there were three nuclear missile subs on patrol in the oceans; two were known to be combat effective, while the third may have been sunk – it was unclear.

“I won’t use nuclear weapons. Ever,” said the President, confirming the opinion reached by the teams of Chinese and Russian intelligence analysts, psychologists and game theorists who had studied the Commander-in-Chief in preparation for that very moment. Deterrence only deters when the threat is credible.

“What are my other options?” asked the President. The general looked down, shuffling papers.

“We don’t have a conventional option.”

“The Army? The Marines?”

“There are a few units forward deployed, but we’ve brought most of our forces home. What we have left we can’t move fast enough and most of it is designed for counterinsurgency, not conventional warfare – we’ve cut our armored forces because they cost so much to maintain. And to move them we’d need foreign ships, but we can’t count on them. We can’t even count on the sea lanes being clear.”

“The Air Force doesn’t have bombers? Fighters?” the President asked.

“Not enough, and not modern enough to get through Chinese and Russian air defenses.”

The President turned to the Secretary of State. “What about our allies?”

“No commitments yet. In fact, there’s been no response from several key allies.”

“We invoked NATO Article 5, didn’t we? We’ve been attacked!” the President shouted.

“They don’t have any significant forces left. Even if they were inclined to assist…”

“Inclined?” asked the President, stunned.

“We need to understand that they may be making a calculated decision…”

The President did understand. “To go with the winner.”

No one spoke; the only sound was the noise of the 747’s jets until a communications officer spoke up.

“I have a video transmission off a Chinese satellite coming … to us. How did they get our communications data?” It was yet another security breach.

“Just put it onscreen,” ordered the President.

The transmission was a split screen, the Chinese Premier on the left, the Russian President on the right. They were smiling.

“What do you want?” the President asked.

The Russian President spoke. “We want peace. We want justice. And that is why we are here to provide you the terms of your surrender.”

:neogaf
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 18, 2014, 07:59:52 PM
 :whew
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on August 18, 2014, 08:31:58 PM
You can't leave us hanging like that, did the president surrender??
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 19, 2014, 06:34:10 PM
mission creep brehs
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: huckleberry on August 19, 2014, 06:37:22 PM


Be a journalist. Do your job and do it well. Get beheaded for it.

Fuck.

Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 19, 2014, 11:11:22 PM
Nuke everything. Everywhere. Just reset the planet.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: T-Short on August 20, 2014, 03:56:33 AM
That link doesn't have the video, does it

not clicking anyway  :nsfanyone
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 20, 2014, 09:39:27 AM
So...uh...don't go looking at the cover of today's New York Post if you don't want to see a man having his head cut off. :what
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on August 20, 2014, 09:56:59 AM
:piss Tabloids :piss2
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 20, 2014, 04:59:15 PM
http://www.clarionledger.com/story/dailyledes/2014/08/19/charles-johnson-james-foley-tweets/14320165/

What. The. Fuck. :holeup
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Eric P on August 24, 2014, 08:02:54 AM
wooooo

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/11052965/Tony-Blair-gives-Kazakhstans-autocratic-president-tips-on-how-to-defend-a-massacre.html

Tony Blair gave Kazakhstan’s autocratic president advice on how to manage his image after the slaughter of unarmed civilians protesting against his regime.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on August 24, 2014, 11:46:42 AM
The brits have Tony Blair, we've got Gerhard "Putin is a flawless democrat" Schröder. Both from the ostensibly left side of the political spectrum in their respective nations. :heh
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on August 24, 2014, 05:11:27 PM
Quote from: Rufus on August 24, 2014, 11:46:42 AM
The brits have Tony Blair, we've got Gerhard "Putin is a flawless democrat" Schröder. Both from the ostensibly left side of the political spectrum in their respective nations. :heh

Well your only actual left-wing party there (more specifically, the wing of it that's actual able to win elections and govern :heh) is the SED with a human face, so you can't be that surprised that its competition has to cozy up with a KGB agent. (http://i.imgur.com/ycTA83o.png)
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on August 24, 2014, 07:43:28 PM
Never thought of it that way. :leon
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on August 26, 2014, 08:50:30 PM
http://www.france24.com/en/focus/20140826-far-right-russian-jihad-fighters-cross-ukraine/#./?&_suid=140909993951708580179015366778

Unsurprising report on what sort of people make up the militants in Ukraine. Bonus for the attentive: some interesting things to note on tubs' t-shirt.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Squiddy on August 27, 2014, 04:46:46 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/world/europe/ukraine-russia-novoazovsk-crimea.html?_r=0

Russia invading Eastern Europe, GG.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 28, 2014, 04:51:32 PM
http://liveuamap.com/?ll=46.849118508058964;36.234853515624984&zoom=7
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on August 29, 2014, 01:09:48 PM
Brits the least arrogant and most compassionate? :heh

:dead @ Italian self-loathing.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 29, 2014, 02:02:08 PM
I like how in the first two they mostly all had one or two answers, and usually Germany, then for the last one they all picked their country.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Boogie on August 29, 2014, 02:18:40 PM
Well, the Greeks sure are full of themselves, aren't they?
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on August 29, 2014, 02:33:32 PM
You poor fools. :uguu

Quote from: benjipwns on August 29, 2014, 02:02:08 PM
I like how in the first two they mostly all had one or two answers, and usually Germany, then for the last one they all picked their country.
:lol
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on August 29, 2014, 02:35:45 PM
I just noticed that the Czechs said the Slovaks were the least arrogant. Once brothers, still friends. :heartbeat
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on August 29, 2014, 02:50:24 PM
Quote from: Squiddy on August 27, 2014, 04:46:46 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/world/europe/ukraine-russia-novoazovsk-crimea.html?_r=0

Russia invading Eastern Europe, GG.
http://www.mediaite.com/uncategorized/russian-troops-invading-ukraine-claim-theyre-actually-on-vacation/

They aren't invading. Just vacationing.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 29, 2014, 03:23:48 PM
Seems legit.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on August 31, 2014, 11:02:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=bVm-yFrmoAo
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on September 02, 2014, 08:40:22 PM
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/09/02/putin_takes_off_gloves_in_eastern_ukraine_donetsk_luhansk

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Even Ukrainian government officials seem ready to admit that their forces have turned on their heels. Defense Minister Valeriy Heletey said in a statement on Facebook on Monday that Kiev's "anti-terrorist operation" to take back the east is over and that the government is now focusing on defending from a Russian invasion.

I don't really get the geopolitical strategy of surrounding yourself with failed states that fail across ethnic lines, but the Russian Federation sure seems dedicated to it.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on September 02, 2014, 09:42:15 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/09/02/source-obama-given-detailed-intelligence-about-rise-isis-for-year/
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President Obama was given detailed and specific intelligence about the rise of the Islamic State as part of his daily briefing for at least a year before the group seized large swaths of territory over the summer, a former Pentagon official told Fox News.

The official -- who asked not to be identified because the President's Daily Brief is considered the most authoritative, classified intelligence community product analyzing sensitive international events for the president -- said the data was strong and "granular" in detail.

The source said a policymaker "could not come away with any other impression: This is getting bad."

Obama, unlike his predecessors who traditionally had the document briefed to them, is known to personally read the daily brief. The former Pentagon official, who has knowledge of the process, said Obama generally was not known to come back to the intelligence community with further requests for information based on the daily report.

...

The president's team has publicly suggested that the group only recently gained in strength, accounting for why Obama earlier this year dismissed such extremists as akin to a "JV" team.

But after suggestions that the administration may have been blindsided by the rise of ISIS, and that poor intelligence was to blame, the former Pentagon official said some of the intelligence was so good in the region, that when the president drew a red line on chemical weapons use in Syria in 2012, the information was "exquisite."

The source said "[we] were ready to fire, on a moment's notice, on a couple hundred targets," but no order was given. In some cases, targets were tracked for a "long period of time" but then slipped away.
Has there ever been a President who takes his eye off the ball as much as this one?

No wonder Putin has become the most powerful man in the world. Obama doesn't even put up a fight.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 02, 2014, 10:06:49 PM
Obama is the worst president Iraq's ever had.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 03, 2014, 06:37:09 PM
edit: wrong thread
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Mupepe on September 03, 2014, 07:30:52 PM
We should have invaded Iraq AND Syria.  It's obviously the best solution
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 06, 2014, 10:53:05 AM
Man, neocons must be at maximum rustling levels over Obama getting ten countries to help ether ISIL.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on September 06, 2014, 07:19:35 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 06, 2014, 10:53:05 AM
Man, neocons must be at maximum rustling levels over Obama getting ten countries to help ether ISIL.
Amazing, Obama is supposed to be defending the free world and he's getting help for ISIL.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: T-Short on September 08, 2014, 08:39:53 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV9rZAchZg4

:dead @ unionism bit
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Momo on September 08, 2014, 08:47:53 AM
http://businesstech.co.za/news/government/67832/public-protector-a-cia-spy-deputy-minister/

Thanks Obama :noah
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on September 08, 2014, 11:07:24 AM
Quote from: Mupepe on September 03, 2014, 07:30:52 PM
We should have invaded Iraq AND Syria.  It's obviously the best solution

Then create one state out of both and call it Ciroc. (http://i.imgur.com/8UPFBGH.png?1)
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on September 08, 2014, 11:22:17 AM
Quote from: Hyoushi on September 08, 2014, 08:39:53 AM
:dead @ unionism bit

 :deadpos
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on September 09, 2014, 02:17:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5oXlIB9rCk

:holeup
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 09, 2014, 02:24:37 PM
he'll have something to cry about soon

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Russia is threatening a return to Soviet-era airspace restrictions in response to new European Union sanctions, a move that could force Western airlines to cancel flights or improvise complicated and expensive alternative routes.

On Monday, the EU signed off on additional sanctions to punish the Kremlin for incursions into Ukraine in recent weeks. In a statement, EU President Herman Van Rompuy said the sanctions targeting Russian oil companies — though not the gas producers that supply Europe with much of its energy — would take effect in the coming days.

The EU, however, said it would allow the sanctions to be reviewed in the future, pending the result of a ceasefire announced between the Kiev government and Russian-backed separatists in Ukraine's east.

Russia's Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said previously that such sanctions would trigger a response that could include blocking Western airlines from flying over Russian airspace. Russia's airspace is the world's largest, covering nine time zones from the Baltic to the Bering Sea.

"If there are sanctions related to the energy sector, or further restrictions on Russia's financial sector, we will have to respond asymmetrically," Medvedev told the Russian news site Vedomosti. "We work on the basis of friendly relations with our partners, and that's why Russia's skies are open to flights. But if we are restricted then we'll have to respond."

"If Western carriers have to bypass our airspace, this could drive many struggling airlines into bankruptcy," said Medvedev.

Prior to the fall of the Soviet Union, Moscow banned most US-aligned countries from flying through its airspace. Under international aviation agreements, sovereign countries have the right to refuse entry to foreign aircraft.

"He's basically threatening to go back to the system that was in place," Robert Orttung, assistant director of the Institute for European, Russian and Eurasian Studies at George Washington University, told VICE News. "The Russians feel compelled to respond in ways that are not very productive. It would make Russia more of a pariah state."

It was unclear if Russia would include flights destined for Russia, not just those traveling through the country, in the potential restrictions.

Aviation experts say a flight ban would cause hundreds of cancellations in the short term and over time could hold severe consequences for European-based airlines, especially ones that operate flights directly to East Asia.

"A lot of the flights we fly now didn't exist during Soviet times," R. John Hansman, director of the MIT International Center for Air Transportation, told VICE News. "For direct flights from Northern Europe to Japan, for example, you'd have to go south all the way to Afghanistan and cut across China, or you'd have to fly all the way over the North Pole to Alaska and turn back."

By Hansman's estimate, a route over the Arctic Circle could lengthen flight times by as much as 70 percent, effectively making them impossible logistically and financially — unless an Alaskan city such as Anchorage takes on a role as a transcontinental hub.

Airlines with hubs along southern routes to Asia, such as Emirates, could possibly stand to gain from increased ticketing due to the restrictions.

But mutually assured economic pain could preclude the use of airspace as a weapon for very long. Should Western countries and the US respond by ending flights to Russian cities — as they almost surely would — the Russian economy, already feeling the sting of existing US and EU sanctions, could be devastated.
https://news.vice.com/article/russia-threatens-to-bankrupt-western-airlines-by-closing-its-airspace?utm_source=vicenewstwitter
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on September 09, 2014, 02:28:50 PM
Reports that much of the leadership of Ahrar al-Sham in Syria has been wiped out in an explosion at a meeting. If true then it's a Big Deal. Maybe ISIS?
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Momo on September 09, 2014, 02:29:14 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/south-african-govt-disowns-minister-over-cia-spy-104404987.html

thanks again, Obama
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on September 09, 2014, 03:40:25 PM
Quote from: Momo on September 09, 2014, 02:29:14 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/south-african-govt-disowns-minister-over-cia-spy-104404987.html

thanks again, Obama

imo you should be honored the U.S. even thinks it worth the resources to recruit an agent from the ANC. Do you think we bother buying off people in SWAPO or FRELIMO?
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Momo on September 10, 2014, 11:55:04 AM
I havent heard anyone talk about SWAPO since 1992 :lol
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on September 10, 2014, 05:41:29 PM
A testament to the stability of their unchecked post-colonial rule. (I guess no one talks about ZANU-PF, but Mugabe instead, but you know what I mean.)

On a related note, I ended up buying that horribly out of date "teach yourself Afrikaans" book from my local used bookstore. I figure if I've already studied 2 African lingua francas, why not one more? :larry
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 12, 2014, 07:31:40 PM
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rob-ford-drops-out-mayoral-race

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b3mftcV0dY
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on September 13, 2014, 01:23:12 PM
Harper OKs potentially unconstitutional China-Canada FIPA deal, coming into force October 1 (http://www.vancouverobserver.com/news/harper-oks-potentially-unconstitutional-china-canada-fipa-deal-coming-force-october-1)

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Chinese companies can sue Canada 

As FIPA comes into force, it would have a major impact on projects such as Enbridge Northern Gateway and potentially some LNG proposals. The deal would allow Chinese investors to sue British Columbia if it changed course on the Northern Gateway pipeline proposal.

"It is true that Chinese investors can sue Canada for any actions by the federal government or the B.C. government (or legislature or courts) relating to Chinese assets connected to the [Enbridge] Northern Gateway pipeline," Van Harten said.

"More troubling, there is no requirement in the treaty for the federal government to make public the fact of a Chinese investor's lawsuit against Canada until an award has been issued by a tribunal. This means that the federal government could settle the lawsuit, including by varying its conduct in a way that many Canadians would oppose, or by paying out public money before an award is issued, and we would never know."
:cancry
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Momo on September 13, 2014, 02:07:16 PM
Quote from: Sovok on September 10, 2014, 05:41:29 PM
A testament to the stability of their unchecked post-colonial rule. (I guess no one talks about ZANU-PF, but Mugabe instead, but you know what I mean.)

On a related note, I ended up buying that horribly out of date "teach yourself Afrikaans" book from my local used bookstore. I figure if I've already studied 2 African lingua francas, why not one more? :larry
If you want I can spitball/talk help you out, I'm pretty good at the language of oppression :rejoice
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on September 13, 2014, 05:23:29 PM
Yes your English is excellent, Momo. :shaq

But dankie! (Thank you isn't in this book but voorstad is. :beli.)
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Momo on September 14, 2014, 02:14:05 AM
Die taal van rasisme :rejoice

English is my first language lol
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on September 18, 2014, 04:23:29 PM
:what
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on September 18, 2014, 05:10:27 PM
It's sooo weird.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 18, 2014, 07:14:49 PM
Quote from: Esch on September 18, 2014, 04:59:17 PM
ISIS is so corny, brehs. Cutting arab hood promo videos like the ForbezDVD of the 10's.

They're definitely as delusional as Hell Rell.

"We control two countries. Stupid." (http://i.imgur.com/fr1d814.png)

"I just copped some weaponized ebola. Stupid." (http://i.imgur.com/fr1d814.png)

"The Revolutionary Guard are wack, nobody is scared of them." (http://i.imgur.com/fr1d814.png)
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 18, 2014, 08:05:14 PM
I wish Skrillex was playing over that video.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on September 18, 2014, 09:01:35 PM
I wonder if that's the first time "Khazars outchea" has ever been written.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on September 19, 2014, 01:01:23 PM
Quote from: Esch on September 18, 2014, 04:20:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYDchUAG1y0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiDf7rDIR_k
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on September 19, 2014, 01:47:04 PM
55 minutes. :holeup
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 19, 2014, 02:55:26 PM
Someone watch it and let me know if it's got any Skrillex in it.
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on September 19, 2014, 06:48:12 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/19/russia-calls-foul-scottish-referendum
Quote
Russia has said the conduct of the Scottish referendum "did not meet international standards", with its observers complaining the count took place in rooms that were too big and that the procedure was badly flawed.

In an apparent attempt to mirror persistent western criticism of Russia's own elections, Igor Borisov – an accredited observer – said the poll failed to meet basic international norms.

Borisov and three other Russians arrived in Edinburgh on Wednesday evening, the state news agency Ria Novosti reported. The team from Moscow's Public Institute of Suffrage watched voting take place in the Scottish capital and the surrounding area. It also met with Scottish politicians, voters and representatives from non-governmental organisations, Ria said.

Borisov said he was unimpressed by what he saw. He said the room where he watched the count on Thursday night was a cavernous "aircraft hangar" next to an airfield. It was difficult to see what was going on, he said, adding: "The hangar is approximately 100m by 300m. There are tables, with voting papers stacked upon them, but the observers are stuck around the perimeter. Even if you want to, it's impossible to tell what's happening. It's also unclear where the boxes with ballot papers come from."

Borisov said the US state department, the UK and other western countries loudly hectored the Kremlin about Russia's supposed democratic deficiencies. But in this instance, he said, London and Edinburgh had not "fully met" the requirements of a proper referendum.

"Nobody was interested in who was bringing in the voting slips. There were no stamps or signatures as the bulletins were handed over," he said.

...

The Kremlin propaganda channel RT, meanwhile, speculated that the result might have been rigged and expressed surprise at the "North Korean" levels of turnout.

Afshin Rattansi, the presenter of RT's Going Underground show, said there were "international considerations", such as the UK's nuclear deterrent, which had affected the outcome. He said: "With the vote as close as this, with the mainstream media on one side, with a massive amount of people from Westminster running up to beg Scotland the other way, and certain recounts in certain bits of the poll, which way did the vote go, really?"

He added: "It is normally the sort of turnout you would expect in North Korea. Usually media here would go 'we don't believe it. How can it be nearly 90%?'"

On Friday the Donetsk People's Republic - the Ukrainian rebel enclave - said that it, too, believed the Scottish referendum had been falsified. Miroslav Rudenko, a member of the republic's self-declared supreme council, said he suspected the UK government was guilty of foul play. "I don't rule out that the British authorities have falsified the results of this referendum. The difference between those who voted in favour of independence and against it is not so great," he told the Russian news agency Interfax.

Rudenko said the west was guilty of "double-standards". It had allowed a referendum in Scotland but refused one for Donestk and Luhansk, the rebel enclaves where separatists backed by Kremlin firepower are fighting Ukrainian troops.
:teehee
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on September 19, 2014, 10:02:13 PM
Quote from: Esch on September 18, 2014, 04:20:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYDchUAG1y0

"Lames of Fwar"? Who designed that logo?
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on September 24, 2014, 10:41:24 AM
It sucks that I have no medical training because I'd be happy to volunteer. >:(
Title: Re: I'm Sorry Officer, I Didn't See That UN Shelter : International Politics Thread
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 24, 2014, 12:11:11 PM
Quote from: Esch on September 24, 2014, 10:38:17 AM
We gonna talk about Ebola, brehs?

I don't know how much of this panic is pandering to doomsday fanatics, but still...


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/ebola-outbreak-collapse-of-three-african-states-possible-9746386.html


(http://i.imgur.com/QkqAYyB.png)
I believe that the WHO projections put the possible number of dead at 1.4 Million and stated that if it's not stopped soon there will always be a presence.
I know it sounds terrible but in a way I think we're lucky that Ebola isn't highly contagious.  These past few weeks have shown that the world is not at all prepared for an epidemic, especially in Africa. If it was more contagious I think it'd be way way worse than 1.4 Million and 3 african states on the verge of collapse. Maybe this will kick the world leaders in the pants to take this seriously.
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on September 24, 2014, 03:01:04 PM
:heh Yeah right.
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 24, 2014, 05:54:34 PM
The best hope for africa is for outsourcing firms to setup there. Then people will care.
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on September 24, 2014, 07:17:32 PM
If three "states" in Africa collapse does it make a sound?
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 24, 2014, 07:37:27 PM
I keep misreading the thread title as Idris Elba - International Politics Thread
:tocry
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on September 25, 2014, 11:29:35 PM
http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/consumer-security/terror-laws-clear-senate-enabling-entire-australian-web-to-be-monitored-and-whistleblowers-to-be-jailed-20140926-10m8ih.html

Australia returns to it's prison colony roots  :clap
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 25, 2014, 11:37:54 PM
Kangaroos and drop bears are a bigger threat to Australia than Middle Eastern terrorists.
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on September 25, 2014, 11:53:00 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 24, 2014, 07:17:32 PM
If three "states" in Africa collapse does it make a sound?
pathological anarchical determinism

it's so empirical friends (http://i.imgur.com/ockuVEL.jpg?1?7192)
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on September 26, 2014, 01:43:10 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 25, 2014, 11:37:54 PM
Kangaroos and drop bears are a bigger threat to Australia than Middle Eastern terrorists.

The boredom of Alice Springs too, probably.
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on September 29, 2014, 10:46:45 AM
Please give us back our City of London corporations can vote democracy, CPC. >:(
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Atramental on September 30, 2014, 08:20:33 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/PySCnLc.jpg)
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: DCharlieJP on September 30, 2014, 08:32:33 PM
I am getting increasingly bemused by the idea that ISIS possess such a huge threat to the west -and- to combat ability of each nation

Britain announced thier Airforce just wasn't up to , you know, air based missions. Come now... such bullshit

and the idea that if this was a -serious- actual threat that the USA would struggle with it? come now. The hawks would have you believe the USA can take on everyone at the same time , yet 40-50k medium armed insurgents rabble rousing is the next threat to the USA? Come the f- on.

If all of this is true - god HELP the US / Britain if the engage any half decently armed country.

Such bollox
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 30, 2014, 08:36:22 PM
Obviously, you aren't aware that Obama successfully gutted the US military.
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 30, 2014, 09:37:37 PM
Quote from: Esch on September 30, 2014, 08:17:36 PM
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102037055

(http://i.imgur.com/LZ25ovw.gif)

not concerned considering he would have to spit blood on someone Always Sunny style to spread that shit.

but lol @ the Obama administration. Less than a month after saying this couldn't happen. When it rains it pours, dude is gonna be Bush status before the end of the year.
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: toku on September 30, 2014, 10:04:37 PM
Quote from: Esch on September 29, 2014, 08:18:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4NRJoCNHIs



I'm... not impressed by this one.

Maybe because i'm so damn tired of listening to people ramble about the pros and cons.  :yeshrug


EDIT: that obama segment... :holeup

You can't joke about murdering people :dead

Same. I just don't believe the pros of drone strikes out way the cones. Everything about drones, from the actual bombing of looselye identified targets to all the paperwork and bullshit behind it is icky and fucking suspect.
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 01, 2014, 12:46:41 AM
Lots of people in Hong Kong aren't too happy right now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q919bQOThvM
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on October 01, 2014, 12:48:51 AM
I wonder if People's Daily has any English coverage of this, but not enough to go and find out. :chinacry
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: pilonv1 on October 01, 2014, 03:03:23 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/XXnVjmW.png)
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on October 01, 2014, 12:11:45 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 01, 2014, 12:46:41 AM
Lots of people in Hong Kong aren't too happy right now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q919bQOThvM

I think they should wait for the facts
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on October 01, 2014, 12:19:32 PM
HK protesters using hands up, don't shoot from Ferguson

https://mobile.twitter.com/Max_Fisher/status/516394848493244416/photo/1
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on October 01, 2014, 12:21:17 PM
Quote from: DCharlieJP on September 30, 2014, 08:32:33 PM
I am getting increasingly bemused by the idea that ISIS possess such a huge threat to the west -and- to combat ability of each nation

Britain announced thier Airforce just wasn't up to , you know, air based missions. Come now... such bullshit

and the idea that if this was a -serious- actual threat that the USA would struggle with it? come now. The hawks would have you believe the USA can take on everyone at the same time , yet 40-50k medium armed insurgents rabble rousing is the next threat to the USA? Come the f- on.

If all of this is true - god HELP the US / Britain if the engage any half decently armed country.

Such bollox

Didn't you hear? Obama is personally responsible for everything wrong in the world and against doing anything about it as reparations for his anti-colonial views.
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Momo on October 01, 2014, 12:23:15 PM
Quote from: Vularai on October 01, 2014, 12:48:51 AM
I wonder if People's Daily has any English coverage of this, but not enough to go and find out. :chinacry
China is n baie goeie bondgenoot van ons, maar ek voel dieselfde, kannie omgee om vyf minute te spandeer om daaroor the lees nie  :heh
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on October 01, 2014, 12:23:54 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 01, 2014, 12:46:41 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q919bQOThvM

So many patriots out celebrating National day. What a sight! :chinacry
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Atramental on October 01, 2014, 05:17:54 PM
http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/health/2014/10/01/thompson-dallas-county-ebola-patient-cases/16524303/

(http://i.imgur.com/944YuD0.gif)
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on October 01, 2014, 05:30:54 PM
Quote from: Atramental on October 01, 2014, 05:17:54 PM
http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/health/2014/10/01/thompson-dallas-county-ebola-patient-cases/16524303/

(http://i.imgur.com/944YuD0.gif)

Marvel at Texan incompetence of not putting the man in the hospital the first time! :rejoice
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on October 01, 2014, 05:48:26 PM
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/how-did-ebola-patient-escape-two-days-n216216

:piss Texas :piss2
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on October 01, 2014, 06:06:51 PM
Quote from: Queen of Ice on October 01, 2014, 12:11:45 PM
I think they should wait for the facts

Tongzhi Deng Xiaoping did tell us to seek truth from facts. :hitler
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 01, 2014, 06:14:21 PM
Texas decided not to expand medicaid under the ACA, by the way.
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on October 01, 2014, 06:23:56 PM
I'm fucking tell you. Garbage state. Garbagggge. :trash

The entire situation just raises so many questions.

If he was turned away by the hospital staff despite saying he's from Liberia, why didn't they go to another hospital?

So despite coming from fucking Liberia and having ebola symptoms, why the fuck did he interact with people for two whole days? Does he not have any societal responsibility?

How the fuck did guy from Liberia manage to get on a flight to America in the first place?

Why doesn't CDC contain people who come from west africa?

Why would any self respecting hospital turn away a patient with flu-like symptoms who stresses he just came from Liberia?

From all accounts, the entire story reeks of incompetence from all parties. This isn't just an American thing. What if it moves to a place like India? Jesus Christ.
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on October 01, 2014, 06:37:19 PM
Quote from: Queen of Ice on October 01, 2014, 05:48:26 PM
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/how-did-ebola-patient-escape-two-days-n216216

:piss Texas :piss2
Quote from: Atramental on October 01, 2014, 05:17:54 PM
http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/health/2014/10/01/thompson-dallas-county-ebola-patient-cases/16524303/

(http://i.imgur.com/944YuD0.gif)

I’d be up for excising Texas from the union. It seems like they’re American every time there’s a moment to have a gun rights discussion, an illegal immigrant discussion, or when anyone questions their American-ness in any way, BUT when anything about actually following federal laws they don’t like, they point out that they never officially re-joined the union due to some technicality of paperwork, and can’t be legally held accountable.

Have your red, white, and blue cake and eat it too, brehs.

Evac Himumu. Quarantine the state. Take off, and nuke the site from orbit.
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Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on October 01, 2014, 06:43:12 PM
So the people who he's been in contact with aren't quarantined? The arrogance of this fucking state and country.
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 01, 2014, 06:48:50 PM
Rick Perry is all best buds with the CDC. I wonder if they were one of the agencies that he couldn't remember he wanted to cut.  :heh
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on October 01, 2014, 06:50:43 PM
i still don't understand why he's not in jail
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on October 01, 2014, 06:55:42 PM
What I've gathered from this is that I need to get a job in the Texas medical industry.

I have no qualifications, but I feel like that won't be a problem for Texas.
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on October 01, 2014, 06:57:40 PM
:sabu
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on October 01, 2014, 08:19:10 PM
Saw this image on FB. Don't like it.

(http://i.imgur.com/dDaAxWt.jpg)

I'm not saying we should panic, but it feels like both the government and media are downplaying the entire situation, which is odd considering past disease panic scares. It's as if they know that it IS a legitimate health crisis and are trying to downplay it. The symptoms of Ebola are strikingly similar to the common flu or other disease, and as we know, America has a culture that frowns upon not working because of sickness. Pull up your boot straps mentality, basically.

We know that Ebola spreads through contact with the infected. What if someone who works in a restaurant and prepares your food and unknowingly has Ebola spreads it via food prep? America loves fast food. Fast food workers work sick all the fucking time because they have to due to the failure of the American healthcare system. And people are placing faith in that very same system that failed to catch and quarantine Patient #1?

This image posted talks about blood, sweat, and vomit, when let's say, someone with ebola throws up in a public place. Who do they think cleans that up? Do the people who made this live in a fucking bubble? The naivete and arrogance that we shouldn't have to worry about this at all because we live in a first world nation is both sad and infuriating. We shouldn't be panicking over it, but the snide downplaying of it because we live in a first world nation is disgustingly classist. In some ways, racist as well.
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on October 01, 2014, 08:22:40 PM
I didn't say to panic, but it's like people don't give a shit. When they should definitely be giving a shit.
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on October 01, 2014, 08:30:19 PM
America's infrastructure and health services are pretty shit but I think it's safe to say they're more advanced than those of one of the poorest and least-developed countries on the planet. Downplaying it is perfectly fine. You don't spend your days worrying about dysentery or a cholera epidemic sweeping the nation, do you?
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 02, 2014, 11:11:36 AM
Yeah, don't worry people are already freaking out. While discussing it on the radio this morning, they felt it important to say how many times that same plane that carried the infected guy has since landed in Portland. As though the plane is just hopping around spreading death. ::) no shortage of fear mongering and hand wringing here.
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 02, 2014, 12:45:31 PM
I have touched vomit, sweat, blood, urine and feces but I don't know if that stranger had ebola or not.
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on October 02, 2014, 05:21:45 PM
Quote from: ronito on October 02, 2014, 12:45:31 PM
I have touched vomit, sweat, blood, urine and feces but I don't know if that stranger had ebola or not.

Does this guy know how to party or what?
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 02, 2014, 05:29:44 PM
Quote from: Broseidon on October 01, 2014, 08:30:19 PM
America's infrastructure and health services are pretty shit but I think it's safe to say they're more advanced than those of one of the poorest and least-developed countries on the planet. Downplaying it is perfectly fine. You don't spend your days worrying about dysentery or a cholera epidemic sweeping the nation, do you?
Yeah, there's a reason that one person having Ebola in the country is nationwide news and receiving hours of coverage.
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on October 02, 2014, 08:13:25 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 02, 2014, 05:29:44 PM
Quote from: Broseidon on October 01, 2014, 08:30:19 PM
America's infrastructure and health services are pretty shit but I think it's safe to say they're more advanced than those of one of the poorest and least-developed countries on the planet. Downplaying it is perfectly fine. You don't spend your days worrying about dysentery or a cholera epidemic sweeping the nation, do you?
Yeah, there's a reason that one person having Ebola in the country is nationwide news and receiving hours of coverage.

I remember after the Fukushima incident, the news once reported "radiation from Japan almost detectable in Colorado.” What does that even mean? “Almost detectable” means “undetectable,” so this is NON-NEWS. It’s just an attempt to keep us in fear.

By the way, fear and stress will diminish your immune system over time, so watch out for that.

The handling of this patient was incompetent, and Texas should be severed from the union, but unless the Patient Zero boyfriend or the mother of those five children licked them before sending them to play at school, and there was a feces-sharing event at recess, things will probably be OK.

BTW, I’m coining this now: feces play at recess is called “Fecess."
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 02, 2014, 08:18:55 PM
The funny thing is that the natural radiation you'd get just from being in Colorado, especially in the mountains, would make you shit your pants if you were afraid of an almost detectable level from Japan.
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on October 02, 2014, 10:51:58 PM
Isn't there a nuclear arsenal still in Colorado? :heh
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 02, 2014, 10:53:29 PM
Quote from: Vularai on October 02, 2014, 10:51:58 PM
Isn't there a nuclear arsenal still in Colorado? :heh

Don't lick it or you'll get Ebola! Wait, am I doing this right?
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: T-Short on October 03, 2014, 09:20:44 AM
Russkies getting a bit cocky/funny in the Baltic in recent months. FRA, our SIGINT agency, do regular flights in international airspace between Sweden and the baltic states + Kaliningrad. In July, Russia started intercepting these flights with Su-27:s from Kaliningrad. This is a pic taken from an FRA Gulfstream SIGINT plane in mid-July:

(http://i.minus.com/jbl1yt2Xw0Gbjr.jpg)

Full loadout! :punch
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on October 03, 2014, 10:59:35 AM
I've always loved that paint scheme.

------------------

http://phys.org/news/2014-10-global-income-equality-1820s-oecd.html

Quote
The gap between the haves and the have-nots globally is now at the same level as in the 1820s, the OECD said Thursday, warning it was one of the most "worrying" developments over the past 200 years.

In a major report on global well-being over the past two centuries, the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development noted inequality shot up after globalisation took root in the 1980s.Researchers studied income levels in 25 countries, charted them back in time to 1820 and then collated them as if the world were a single country.

The results showed that income inequality dropped sharply in the middle of the 20th century—which the OECD put down to what it called an "egalitarian revolution", notably with the rise of Communism in Eastern Europe—but then spiked more recently.

The conclusion: "People's well-being has generally progressed since the early 20th century across a large part of the world."

Life expectancy worldwide has shot up from less than 30 years in 1880 to almost 70 in 2000.

Literacy too has risen dramatically. Less than 20 percent of people could read in 1820; now the figure is around 80 percent.

Change we can believe in. :hitler
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 03, 2014, 11:05:29 AM
Imperialist West ruining it for the rest of the world:
(http://i.imgur.com/cQK5rZ0.png)
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on October 03, 2014, 11:09:49 AM
Someone's gotta buy all the cheap shit, man.
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on October 03, 2014, 11:30:32 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 03, 2014, 11:05:29 AM
Imperialist West ruining it for the rest of the world:
(http://i.imgur.com/cQK5rZ0.png)

We're talking about international issues, I thought that was a given.
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 03, 2014, 03:10:10 PM
Did you pick that up from the GAF thread, I linked to the report, you should look at their data quality page. The one part basically says "we guessed" for Africa and Asia pre-1900. And "we 'extrapolated' from a couple data points, then guessed" for most everything else pre-1900.

I guess that's what you get when you try to map all the WDI's for the entire world back to 1820 based on twenty-five countries in nine regions that you averaged to get "the world."

http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/economics/how-was-life_9789264214262-en

TL;DR benji-summary: FREEEEE MARRRRRKEEEETTTTTSSSSSSSSS, MORE CAPITAL, MOREEEEEE, CRUSH THE WORKERS
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Rman on October 03, 2014, 03:19:18 PM
So someone from D.C is showing ebola like symptoms?

Hoo boy.

If this hits NYC area, it's gonna be panic city due to the population density there.
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Your Stalker on October 03, 2014, 04:52:16 PM
so this is how they plan to kill the obamas
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on October 03, 2014, 05:38:57 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 03, 2014, 03:10:10 PM
Did you pick that up from the GAF thread, I linked to the report, you should look at their data quality page. The one part basically says "we guessed" for Africa and Asia pre-1900. And "we 'extrapolated' from a couple data points, then guessed" for most everything else pre-1900.

I guess that's what you get when you try to map all the WDI's for the entire world back to 1820 based on twenty-five countries in nine regions that you averaged to get "the world."

http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/economics/how-was-life_9789264214262-en

TL;DR benji-summary: FREEEEE MARRRRRKEEEETTTTTSSSSSSSSS, MORE CAPITAL, MOREEEEEE, CRUSH THE WORKERS

I didn't look at the data but just intuitively it seemed rather specious to me. The varieties of modes of production in effect that far back and the discrepancies in monetary systems alone make such an endeavor rather ridiculous. Subsistence farming was far more pervasive back then ffs.

I just know that people who play for the "big league" political ideologies here at the Bore give a shit about income inequality and I am nothing but a humble servant of the people who passed it along with little editorializing.
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2014, 06:10:44 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 02, 2014, 10:53:29 PM
Quote from: Vularai on October 02, 2014, 10:51:58 PM
Isn't there a nuclear arsenal still in Colorado? :heh

Don't lick it or you'll get Ebola! Wait, am I doing this right?

(http://i.imgur.com/KIbhTi5.png)
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Trent Dole on October 04, 2014, 01:59:14 PM
NY panic huh? I'm spending the weekend there in two weeks.  :o
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Steve Contra on October 04, 2014, 03:14:45 PM
On the list of "shit I can skip" Bill Maher arguing with Ben Affleck about Islam is right up with Sonic fanfic and bestiality videos
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on October 04, 2014, 07:32:25 PM
It's pretty bad when a breh whose recent claim to fame was making a movie about how much Iran sucks has to take you to task for behaving questionably with regard to Islam.
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on October 05, 2014, 02:30:36 AM
Quote from: Steve Contra on October 04, 2014, 03:14:45 PM
On the list of "shit I can skip" Bill Maher arguing with Ben Affleck about Islam is right up with Sonic fanfic and bestiality videos

Eh, it was worth the 10 minutes, and it’s rare to be able to say that with random YouTube clips.

Affleck’s passionate but unwilling to listen. Maher isn’t going to convince anyone who wasn’t already leaning his way.

There’s a larger pattern to be recognized here, which was in the statement about the Muslim leaders who risked their lives by signing a condemnation of ISIS, but which wasn’t covered by the western news media. It’s interesting that in the heat of the moment, no-one realized that the defenders of Islam on Affleck’s side cemented Maher’s point by stating that these leaders had effectively put their lives in danger. Conversely, Maher’s speaker barely got in a word to show that the reformers of Islam should be publicized, but it didn’t benefit from near-enough connection with the earlier statement about the leaders.
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on October 05, 2014, 05:55:27 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-29493797 :holeup
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on October 05, 2014, 06:39:44 PM
I actually want to ply my trade down there (no joke). :heh
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on October 05, 2014, 06:49:22 PM
Quote from: Vularai on October 05, 2014, 06:39:44 PM
I actually want to ply my trade down there (no joke). :heh

“...said the vicar to the actress."
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 05, 2014, 07:04:13 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-29493797

 :bolo :bolo :bolo :bolo :bolo
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on October 05, 2014, 07:08:58 PM
Quote from: chronovore on October 05, 2014, 06:49:22 PM
“...said the vicar to the actress."

By the nature of their business they already have massive compliance problems, why add to those by shirking their duties to file payroll and income tax returns as well? That's how they got Al Capone, after all. (They probably have a duty to file sales tax returns too, knowing the State Board of Equalization...)

Besides, I think I could bring a level of apathetic detachment to material excess the industry needs to have decent internal control. Cash business? Cash and illegal business? Cash, illegal, and international business? It's no wonder people are getting knocked off all the time.
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 05, 2014, 08:27:11 PM
can we just agree that all Abrahamic religions are trash and move on.
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on October 05, 2014, 10:22:40 PM
Quote from: Vularai on October 05, 2014, 07:08:58 PM
Quote from: chronovore on October 05, 2014, 06:49:22 PM
“...said the vicar to the actress."

By the nature of their business they already have massive compliance problems, why add to those by shirking their duties to file payroll and income tax returns as well? That's how they got Al Capone, after all. (They probably have a duty to file sales tax returns too, knowing the State Board of Equalization...)

Besides, I think I could bring a level of apathetic detachment to material excess the industry needs to have decent internal control. Cash business? Cash and illegal business? Cash, illegal, and international business? It's no wonder people are getting knocked off all the time.

You could be their savior! Bringing accountability through accounting. There’s a trite poetry to it.

Please, though, definitely arrange for your post-mortal-coil affairs to be in order before introducing your reforms.

FWIW, a friend of mine was recently freed from captivity after being held by Somali pirates for nearly three years. In the aftermath, it was reported that three people were killed while resolving the distribution of the (unverified) ransom payment. Think what you could have added to that conversation! 
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 06, 2014, 12:52:38 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 05, 2014, 08:27:11 PM
can we just agree that all Abrahamic religions are trash and move on.
Millennialism
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Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 06, 2014, 01:19:02 AM
Quote from: Esch on October 06, 2014, 12:32:58 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/04/world/asia/north-korea-officials-surprise-visit/index.html

coup time?

North Korean escobar season has returned :rejoice
Yeah, that's not unforeseeable.
I mean even after he came into power I was like, I hope this dude can get the military behind him quick and with an iron fist or he's out.
That being said, that guy's hat is begging to be photoshopped with Toad's hat.
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 06, 2014, 01:25:58 AM
Quote from: Esch on October 06, 2014, 12:32:58 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/04/world/asia/north-korea-officials-surprise-visit/index.html

coup time?

North Korean escobar season has returned :rejoice
US officials are attending too. Hmmm.

Title: Re: Kim Jong Un :flabbypd - International Politics Thread
Post by: kingkitty on October 06, 2014, 01:42:55 AM
I don't think it'll be any different with or without fatty kim. Maybe less people will be executed by mortar rounds?
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un :flabbypd - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on October 06, 2014, 01:46:17 AM
Betraying the Juche ideal smh.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un :flabbypd - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 06, 2014, 01:51:16 AM
I don't see anything on KCNA so I'm going to call fake.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un :flabbypd - International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 06, 2014, 02:19:04 AM
Rodman, explain!
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on October 06, 2014, 05:03:00 AM
Quote from: chronovore on October 05, 2014, 10:22:40 PM
You could be their savior! Bringing accountability through accounting. There’s a trite poetry to it.

Please, though, definitely arrange for your post-mortal-coil affairs to be in order before introducing your reforms.

FWIW, a friend of mine was recently freed from captivity after being held by Somali pirates for nearly three years. In the aftermath, it was reported that three people were killed while resolving the distribution of the (unverified) ransom payment. Think what you could have added to that conversation!

What affairs. :heh The only thing to arrange is someone other than a blood relative taking custody of my body.

Glad your friend is OK, I definitely have no interest in getting involved with (nautical) piracy. (Admiralty law is :holeup.)
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un :flabbypd - International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on October 06, 2014, 05:49:23 AM
Yeah, my FB has been awash in it for the past week. It is all very recent, and we were beginning to give up hope. I wish I could be more forgiving, but I was not unpleased to read about the three people biting it in the remittance.
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un :flabbypd - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on October 06, 2014, 11:06:21 AM
Occupational hazard. They knew what they were signing up for. :yeshrug
Title: Re: Kim Jong Un :flabbypd - International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 06, 2014, 11:07:39 AM
Meanwhile back here in the states one freaking survivalist in Pennsylvania is single handidly showing terrorists how to fuck with cops for MONTHS.

Title: Re: Kim Jong Un :flabbypd - International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 06, 2014, 11:22:33 AM
Quote from: Esch on October 06, 2014, 11:12:42 AM
http://www.ibtimes.com/north-korea-lockdown-pyongyang-reportedly-closed-amid-possible-kim-jong-un-coup-attempt-1698980


(http://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1386/20/1386207912281.jpg)

Just read an article on this. I belive this could possibly actually be happening based on what's being reported.

IE; His #1 guy was killed
He has not been seen for a long time
He failed to preside over some super special north korean even that apparently is super important.
The #2 guy in the country went to south korea
Pyongyong is locked down.
Title: Re: Worst Trouble in Best Korea - International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 06, 2014, 11:26:19 AM
Quote from: Esch on October 06, 2014, 11:24:56 AM
Lots of rumors about his health right?

http://metro.co.uk/2014/10/05/former-north-korean-spy-believes-kim-jong-un-has-been-overthrown-in-silent-coup-4893038/

This new guy seems less war mongeringly stupid than Kim and his family. Hopefully some advancements can be made. From what is being said there is a large famine in N Korea right now and that may be why they are coming to the table.
Title: Re: Worst Trouble in Best Korea - International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 06, 2014, 11:47:06 AM
Quote from: Esch on October 06, 2014, 11:45:04 AM
I know some people visit north korea but man. If this regime ever gets blown the fuck open you're going to see the most depraved things there. Holocaust / Soviet level when they find the labor camps.

Communism bout to take another L :whew

You are now banned from R/Pyongyong  :umad
Title: Re: Worst Trouble in Best Korea - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on October 06, 2014, 11:50:20 AM
I imagine a lot of the people he purged after taking power were actual loyalists to (the ideology of the state) too.
Title: Re: Worst Trouble in Best Korea - International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 06, 2014, 11:51:31 AM
Quote from: Vularai on October 06, 2014, 11:50:20 AM
I imagine a lot of the people he purged after taking power were actual loyalists to (the ideology of the state) too.

I got banned from the best korea reddit for asking if Kim was killed or poisoned by his political enemies.

"Kim has not every political enemies yankey"

Not sure what yankey means but it's funny.
Title: Re: Worst Trouble in Best Korea - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on October 06, 2014, 12:03:43 PM
Well he did send him to a bastion of turpitude here. (Switzerland)
Title: Re: Worst Trouble in Best Korea - International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 06, 2014, 12:03:58 PM
That would suck if you had EVERY political enemy.
Title: Re: Worst Trouble in Best Korea - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on October 06, 2014, 08:31:50 PM
Der Spiegel writing dialectical analyses of modern German history. :lawd :lawd :lawd

(One :lawd for each component of the Hegelian dialectic.)

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/how-east-germany-influences-modern-day-german-politics-a-994410.html
Title: Re: Worst Trouble in Best Korea - International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on October 07, 2014, 01:43:34 AM
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Parliamentary inquiry submission makes case for wider powers to detain without charge and jail people for refusing to answer questions
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/oct/05/asio-proposal-coercive-questioning-powers-security-laws

 :auscry :auscry :auscry
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2014, 04:46:21 AM
Quote from: Steve Contra on October 04, 2014, 03:14:45 PM
On the list of "shit I can skip" Bill Maher arguing with Ben Affleck about Islam is right up with Sonic fanfic and bestiality videos
How about Fox News discussing Bill Maher arguing with Ben Affleck about Islam:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykuxtnG_i54
Title: Re: ISIS ft. Ebola - International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on October 07, 2014, 04:58:34 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 07, 2014, 04:46:21 AM
Quote from: Steve Contra on October 04, 2014, 03:14:45 PM
On the list of "shit I can skip" Bill Maher arguing with Ben Affleck about Islam is right up with Sonic fanfic and bestiality videos
How about Fox News discussing Bill Maher arguing with Ben Affleck about Islam:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykuxtnG_i54
Skip?

Hell, I didn’t even finish your description sentence.
 :heh
Title: Re: Worst Trouble in Best Korea - International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on October 07, 2014, 08:37:34 PM
It has been free in most states for a while. The tuition thing was a fad that started shortly after the Bologna reforms (moving from Magister/Dilpom to Bachelor and Master) I believe, but tuition was just 500€ every semester, which was pretty fucking low by US and even UK standards. A travesty nonetheless. They tried to sell it as a socially fair move, too. :heh Budgeting is still fucked though. Last time I paid attention the powers that be tried to promote a select few universities and presumably grant them more funding. Outside money from industries is pouring in, too and people fear the influence that comes with it.
Title: Re: Worst Trouble in Best Korea - International Politics Thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 08, 2014, 02:00:38 AM
http://blogs.wsj.com/dispatch/2014/10/07/putin-on-his-birthday-depicted-as-hercules/

I'm pretty sure Putin could win the 2016 GOP primary as a write in at this point
Title: Re: Worst Trouble in Best Korea - International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 08, 2014, 08:16:09 AM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 08, 2014, 02:00:38 AM
http://blogs.wsj.com/dispatch/2014/10/07/putin-on-his-birthday-depicted-as-hercules/

I'm pretty sure Putin could win the 2016 GOP primary as a write in at this point

I'd highly consider voting for him :umad

Speaking of that is Kurt Russell dead yet? because Big Trouble in Best Korea needs to be made asap. Would be awesome.

You know what Jack Burton would do when he was dropped into a 3rd world communist state? He'd start a liquor store....
Title: Re: Worst Trouble in Best Korea - International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 08, 2014, 10:33:58 AM
Quote from: Esch on October 08, 2014, 10:31:58 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 08, 2014, 08:16:09 AM

I'd highly consider voting for him :umad

yes. people will be mad if you say you'll vote for a dictator.

(http://i.minus.com/jsj8yvV8jbRha.png)

Totally kidding.....Dude has issues.
Title: Re: Worst Trouble in Best Korea - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2014, 12:24:49 AM
The cool thing about Putin is that you don't even have to actually vote for him to do so.
Title: Re: Worst Trouble in Best Korea - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on October 09, 2014, 02:19:15 AM
The Russian Federation has an electoral college too?
Title: Re: Worst Trouble in Best Korea - International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2014, 10:47:53 AM
How come Muslims never speak out against violence *hand wring*

She'll forever get dap for confronting Obama in front of his daughter about drones. I'd imagine Obama responded with his typical "who me? I'm not in charge" flurry of nonsense.
Title: Re: Worst Trouble in Best Korea - International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on October 10, 2014, 10:56:40 AM
How come the NRA doesn't speak out about 30,000 gun deaths a year?
Title: Re: Worst Trouble in Best Korea - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on October 14, 2014, 10:25:49 AM
Make up for (possibly irreversibly) fucking over a region during your explicitly imperialistic era in history with a symbolic vote in your implicitly imperialistic era in history brehs.
Title: Re: Worst Trouble in Best Korea - International Politics Thread
Post by: fizzel on October 14, 2014, 08:21:38 PM
Quote from: Vularai on October 14, 2014, 10:25:49 AM
Make up for (possibly irreversibly) fucking over a region...

If the region survived the Assyrians, the roman/Persian wars, the Abbasids, the crusades, the mongol and the Turk...it'll survive a few million yids rubbing Mohammedan noses in the shit for a few decades more.
Title: Re: Worst Trouble in Best Korea - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2014, 08:26:50 PM
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“Turkey will allow American and coalition troops to use its bases, including a key installation within 100 miles of the Syrian border, for operations against Islamic State militants in Syria and Iraq, Defense Department officials said,” the New York Times reported in yesterday’s editions. That “key installation” is Incirlik, the base the Turks wouldn’t let America use in 2003, so you can see how much better the Obama administration is handling things.

So much for that. “Turkish officials said on Monday that there was no deal yet, and that talks were still underway,” the Times reported in today’s editions. “The Turkish comments represented another miscommunication between the United States and its longtime ally.”

...

This is part of a pattern. Gopal Ratnam and John Hudson of Foreign Policy magazine write that “the alliance may be far less robust than Washington says.” They cite several other examples:

• Georgia. “In September, when Foreign Policy reported details of a secret offer by the nation of Georgia to host a training camp for anti-ISIS fighters, the story prompted a strong public backlash in Tbilisi. . . . Within 24 hours, Georgian officials denied having made any such offer.”

• Slovenia. Last month “Prime Minister Miro Cerar said his government opposed terrorism, but expressed annoyance that his country was included in the U.S. government’s official list of anti-ISIS partners without being informed.”

• Jordan. London’s Times reported last month that Amman “offered to send its Western-trained special forces to combat ISIS in Syria, but the Arab monarchy has yet to confirm the offer.”

The piece adds that “none of the Arab coalition partners, the nations most likely to provide ground troops, have yet to make [sic] such commitments in public.”
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/10/13/the_obama_administration_has_a_kiss_and_tell_problem_terrorism_Turkey_ISIS_Kurdish_Slovenia_Coalition?wp_login_redirect=0
Title: Re: Worst Trouble in Best Korea - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on October 14, 2014, 08:58:30 PM
Quote from: fizzel on October 14, 2014, 08:21:38 PM
If the region survived the Assyrians, the roman/Persian wars, the Abbasids, the crusades, the mongol and the Turk...it'll survive a few million yids rubbing Mohammedan noses in the shit for a few decades more.

Noted nuclear power the Parthian Empire,

BTW, Saracen is the preferred nomenclature. :beli

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Twelver tier shade throwing on the Abassids. :whew Too bad their control of the Levant was nominal ~120 years after coming to power. :lol
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Title: Re: Oil is :flabbynsick: - International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 15, 2014, 02:13:29 PM
Suck it, Prince Dillweed.  8)
Title: Re: Oil is :flabbynsick: - International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 15, 2014, 02:14:26 PM
Quote from: Esch on October 15, 2014, 01:55:11 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/commodities/11162744/Saudi-Prince-Alwaleed-says-falling-oil-prices-catastrophic.html

Oh no....he's only worth like 62,000,000,000,000 now. bummer.
Title: Re: Oil is :flabbynsick: - International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 15, 2014, 02:16:47 PM
Quote from: Esch on October 15, 2014, 02:15:08 PM
Oil Monarch problems. .. :umad


Bitches in his harem ain't getting no second helping of potatos now, no sir.
Title: Re: Oil is :flabbynsick: - International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2014, 08:55:48 PM
Quote from: Esch on October 16, 2014, 08:41:15 PM
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/10/15/classified_cia_report_finds_that_arming_rebels_rarely_works_so_where_does.html

:hans1

The funny thing is I can just imagine Obama saying "didn't we commission a report that proved arming these assholes won't work?" and Clinton and Panetta rolling their eyes. Caution and facts, negative traits of a leader.
Title: Re: Oil is :flabbynsick: - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on October 16, 2014, 08:59:37 PM
If the goal is to kill poor people unnecessarily, then the U.S.'s history of arming rebels has a 100% success rate. :american
Title: Re: Oil is :flabbynsick: - International Politics Thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 16, 2014, 09:03:10 PM
Quote from: Vularai on October 16, 2014, 08:59:37 PM
If the goal is to kill poor people unnecessarily, then the U.S.'s history of arming rebels has a 100% success rate. :american

:mjlaughing
Title: Re: Oil is :flabbynsick: - International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 16, 2014, 09:08:48 PM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 16, 2014, 09:03:10 PM
Quote from: Vularai on October 16, 2014, 08:59:37 PM
If the goal is to kill poor people unnecessarily, then the U.S.'s history of arming rebels has a 100% success rate. :american

:mjlaughing

I'm sure the dead poor people felt it was unnecessary, but they're dead and the winners Texas Board of Education writes the history books.
Title: Re: Oil is :flabbynsick: - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 06:27:46 AM
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Socialism Is a Science: Guinean Organization
Pyongyang, October 27 (KCNA) -- The Guinean National Committee for the Study of the Juche Idea released its information bulletin "Socialism Is a Science" on October 21.

The bulletin said as follows:

It is the 20th anniversary of the publication of "Socialism Is a Science", the work of Kim Jong Il, leader of the DPR of Korea.

Kim Jong Il in the work declared that man-centred socialism, socialism centred on the popular masses, is sure to win for its scientific accuracy and truth.

20 years since the publication of the work were the days when its validity and vitality were fully demonstrated.

The Korean people could win a brilliant victory in the fierce confrontation with the imperialists aimed at "a total end of socialism" and in the struggle for defending socialism late in the last century. It was because they had firm confidence and inevitable faith in socialism.

The situation shows how foolish the "total end of socialism" touted by the imperialists and their spokesmen is and proves that socialism is a science and truth and it is the law governing the development of history that humankind advances towards socialism.

Socialism is a science and it will surely emerge victorious.
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KCNA Commentary Flays U.S. Invariable Ambition for World Hegemony
Pyongyang, October 27 (KCNA) -- The U.S. Army has worked out a new military strategy to cope with military conflicts with different countries of the world including the DPRK.

In a recent report "Operation concept of the Army: 2020-2040" the U.S. Army defined the DPRK, Iran, Russia, China, etc. as "regional powers" with the biggest possibility to clash with the U.S. in the future and "states in the relations of competition seeking hegemony" and advanced a new operation concept calling for the U.S. forces' plan for familiarity and change pursuant to it.

According to this new military strategy called "victory in complicated world", seven of 10 division-level commands of the U.S. forces will be deployed overseas and equipment for infantry such as transport helicopters will be massively increased to make up for the reduction of heavy weapons.

This is touching off strong rebuff of the international community as it is a reckless act of containing those countries courting the U.S. displeasure by force of arms and realizing its ambition for world domination at any cost.

The U.S. is now facing serious challenges externally and having a hard time.

It is facing not a few of difficulties in carrying out its strategy for dominating Asia-Pacific as the DPRK is waging a dynamic anti-U.S. struggle to defend the sovereignty. The economic and military growth of Russia and China is posing threats to the U.S. hegemonic position. Fierce armed conflicts in the Near East are sapping the strength of the U.S.

As all this was an inevitable product of the U.S. brigandish moves for aggression and world domination, it should have drawn a due lesson from this. But the U.S. worked out a more dangerous military strategy and has resorted to military actions, pursuant to it.

In the above-said report the U.S. scenario for world domination has gone the lengths of openly defining armed forces of the DPRK, Iran, Russia and China as "those of enemies". A particular mention should be made of the fact that in the said report the U.S. defined China as a "country posing greatest threats to the U.S.", a country with the biggest possibility to clash with the U.S. forces. It is expressing strong caution against China's growth of military capability and military modernization, openly calling for substantial counteraction against it.

Experts in the U.S. were unanimous in asserting that the report underscored notably the possibility of armed conflict between China and the U.S. It proves that the new military strategy is related to containing China in many aspects.

A high-ranking official of the U.S. military said that the new military strategy included the operations for deploying armed forces now under way. The U.S. is deploying armed forces in the Asia-Pacific region in a bid to finally aim to contain China. These two facts clearly indicate what the final goal of this strategy is.

In fact, the U.S. is busy deploying in south Korea THAAD which has China within the radius of its operation. Those concerned of the U.S. Department of Defense are openly saying that the development of ultra modern supersonic missile is aimed to cope with China's development of supersonic weapons.

The reality proves that the U.S. is mulling finally attaining its criminal goal for world hegemony by totally containing a "state posing greatest threat" to the world.

It is by no means fortuitous that military experts are commenting that the U.S. new military strategy making military conflict with China a fait accompli is an "operation plan simulating the third world war".

The U.S. is the arch criminal disturbing world peace and security and the most shameless empire of evils.

The new military strategy is driving military confrontation and contradiction between the U.S. and China into the worst phase.

The human history branded all attempts to become the emperor of the world as a futile act of inviting a ruin.

Many countries and regions of the world are strongly countering the U.S. moves for hegemony.

The U.S. should properly face up to history and reality and stop acting rashly.
Title: Re: Oil is :flabbynsick: - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 06:58:36 AM
oh man rodong has updated their site since I last visited, same content but better: http://www.rodong.rep.kp/en/
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Officials, Shock Brigade Members Commended for Their Labor Feats in Construction of Fruit Farm
 
The Kosan Fruit Farm is a large fruit producer associated with patriotic devotion of President Kim Il Sung and leader Kim Jong Il.

Marshal Kim Jong Un clearly indicated the orientation and ways of building the farm into the world-level fruit producer and wisely led the drive to build a socialist fairyland and ideal village at the foot of Chol Pass associated with the Songun leadership feats of Kim Jong Il.

In hearty response to the noble intention of Kim Jong Un to translate the ardent desire of Kim Jong Il into a reality as soon as possible, the officials and members of the Construction Shock Brigade 618 brought about miracles and innovations startling the world people in the drive to turn the farm into a wonderful land of bliss in the era of the Workers' Party in the revolutionary spirit of self-reliance despite difficulties and ordeals.

Officials and shock brigade members were commended for their labor feats performed in the construction of the farm.

The title of DPRK labor hero went to An Hung Hak, political instructor of the Kangdong County Battalion of the Pyongyang City Brigade.

Kim Jong Il Youth Honor Prize was conferred on Kim Hyon Chol, chairman of the primary youth league committee of the South Phyongan Provincial Brigade, and Han Kum Sok, staff member of the North Hwanghae Provincial Brigade, Ri Kum Chol, member of the Jagang Provincial Battalion of the Brigade of the Ministry of Electric Power Industry, and Kim Myong Il, member of the Waudo District Battalion of the Nampho City Brigade.
The title of Driver of Merit went to four persons, Order of National Flag First Class to 45 persons, Order of Labour to 38 persons, Order of National Flag Second Class to 420 persons, Order of National Flag Third Class to 821 persons, Distinguished Military Service Medal to 33 persons and Medal of Merit to 1 362 persons.

A decree of the Presidium of the Supreme People's Assembly on awarding state citations was promulgated on Thursday.

a daily log of the supreme leader's activities: http://www.rodong.rep.kp/en/index.php?strPageID=SF01_01_02&iThemeID=1

with pictures!
(http://www.rodong.rep.kp/contents_en/2014/10/20/photo/2014-10-19-01-01%5B1%5D.jpg)
Title: Re: Oil is :flabbynsick: - International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 08:10:47 AM
I think he has gout. Gotta lay off that protein heavy diet yo.
Title: Re: Oil is :flabbynsick: - International Politics Thread
Post by: Yeti on October 28, 2014, 10:32:06 AM
speaking of "flabbynsick"....
Title: Re: Oil is :flabbynsick: - International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 28, 2014, 10:34:18 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 06:58:36 AM
http://www.rodong.rep.kp/en/index.php?strPageID=SF01_01_02&iThemeID=1

Damn yo, that orphanage looks pretty swank. Based Leader :bow2
Title: Re: Oil is :flabbynsick: - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 10:55:51 AM
(http://media2.s-nbcnews.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Slideshows/_production/ss-141026-kim-jong-un-orphanage/ss-141026-kim-jong-un-orphanage-02.nbcnews-ux-1360-900.jpg)

(http://www.rodong.rep.kp/contents_en/2014/10/27/photo/2014-10-26-01-02%5B1%5D.jpg)
Where is a bigger version of the top left photo.  :'(

And what is going on here...
(http://i.minus.com/ibwJbDHzl3rQSb.png)
Title: Re: Oil is :flabbynsick: - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on October 28, 2014, 11:41:03 AM
The Guinean National Committee for the Study of the Juche Idea

:dead
Title: Re: Oil is :flabbynsick: - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 11:43:14 AM
Quote
Pyongyang, July 12, 2013 00:00 KST (KCNA) — Remembrance meetings took place in Guinea, Venezuela, Mongolia and Pakistan on July 4 and 5 to mark the 19th anniversary of demise of President Kim Il Sung. Present there were personages of the Guinean Rainbow People's Assembly, Guinean National Committee for the Study of the Juche Idea, Guinean Kimilsungia-Kimjongilia Association, Guinea-Korea Friendship Association, Guinean Society for the Study of the Juche Literary Idea, Group for the Study of the Juche Idea in Conakry, the Venezuelan National Society for the Study of the Juche Idea, Venezuela-Korea Friendship and Solidarity Association, Venezuelan Group for the Study of Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism, Kim Jong Suk Kindergarten of Mongolia, Mongolia-Korea Friendship Society and the Pakistan Committee for the Study of Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism and masses.

Riyad Chaloub, chairman of the Guinean National Committee for the Study of the Juche Idea, said that Kim Il Sung was the father of all people who gave unstinted material aid and moral support to people of different countries when they faced ordeals in the building of new society.

Omar Lopez, chairman of the Venezuelan National Society for the Study of the Juche Idea, Yecenia Garcia, chief of the Venezuelan Group for the Study of Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism, and other speakers praised Kim Il Sung as prominent leader who made undying contributions to accomplishing the human cause of independence.

B. Baigalmaa, executive chairman of the Mongolia-Korea Friendship Society, said he missed Kim Il Sung, a close friend of the Mongolian people, very much. He recollected with deep emotion the undying exploits Kim Il Sung performed for the friendship between Mongolia and the DPRK. He expressed his will to make positive efforts for development of the bilateral friendship.

Mohammad Aslam Nagi, chairman of the Pakistan Committee for the Study of Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism, lauded Kim Il Sung for turning the DPRK into a socialist power independent in politics, self-supporting in the economy and self-reliant in national defence.
Title: Re: Oil is :flabbynsick: - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 28, 2014, 12:43:34 PM
The contrast between all the bright colors and children's toys with old men wearing stark military garb is pretty incredible.
Title: Re: Oil is :flabbynsick: - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 04:24:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSKJqEY5EOo
Title: Re: Oil is :flabbynsick: - International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 29, 2014, 04:22:07 PM
Aspergery  :heh
Title: Re: Oil is :flabbynsick: - International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2014, 04:24:01 PM
Fuck Bibi.

lol @ republicans and democrats demanding an anonymous no name State Department source be outed  :lol
Title: Re: Oil is :flabbynsick: - International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2014, 04:39:25 PM
Goldberg tends to have interesting interviews and articles in The Atlantic. The most interesting thing about this article IMO was the US possibly not shielding Israel next year at the UN, and Bibi planning to ignore the WH and work with the soon-to-be republican congress.
Title: Re: Oil is :flabbynsick: - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on October 29, 2014, 05:37:50 PM
Quote from: Esch on October 29, 2014, 04:35:54 PM
What a בּוֹגֵד  :heh

We gotta work on your Semitiglish. The indefinite article here is unnecessary.
Title: Re: Oil is :flabbynsick: - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2014, 11:52:46 AM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-29831262

Quote
Protesters angry at plans to allow Burkina Faso's President Blaise Compaore to extend his 27-year-rule have set fire to parliament.

Correspondents say the city hall and ruling party headquarters are also in flames.

A huge crowd is surging towards the presidential palace and the main airport has been shut.

MPs have suspended a vote on changing the constitution to allow Mr Compaore to stand for re-election next year.

We should do this to celebrate our elections and passing of legislation too.
Title: Re: Oil is :flabbynsick: - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2014, 11:53:41 AM
Do you think President Compaore has been blasé about the whole thing?

Tip your waitresses.
Title: Re: Oil is :flabbynsick: - International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on October 30, 2014, 05:56:07 PM
:pacspit Blaise Compaore :piss2
Title: Re: Oil is :flabbynsick: - International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2014, 09:52:04 PM
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2014/11/08/Reports-ISIS-leader-critically-wounded-in-air-strike.html#.VF6lR4Ad8yI.twitter

 :hans1
Title: Re: Oil is :flabbynsick: - International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 12, 2014, 07:59:16 PM
that gif is almost too good :dead
Title: Re: Oil is :flabbynsick: - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 14, 2014, 10:05:23 AM
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_ISLAMIC_STATE_AL_QAIDA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-11-13-14-35-12
Quote
ISTANBUL (AP) -- Militant leaders from the Islamic State group and al-Qaida gathered at a farm house in northern Syria last week and agreed on a plan to stop fighting each other and work together against their opponents, a high-level Syrian opposition official and a rebel commander have told The Associated Press.

...

IS - the group that has seized nearly a third of Syria and Iraq with a campaign of brutality and beheadings this year - and al-Qaida's affiliate in Syria, known as the Nusra Front, have fought each other bitterly for more than a year to dominate the rebellion against Syrian President Bashar Assad.

The Associated Press reported late last month on signs that the two groups appear to have curtailed their feud with informal local truces. Their new agreement, according to the sources in rebel groups opposed to both IS and Nusra Front, would involve a promise to stop fighting and team up in attacks in some areas of northern Syria.
Meanwhile, in the U.S. Senate...
Title: Re: Oil is :flabbynsick: - International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on November 15, 2014, 03:16:06 AM
"David Cameron Says People Aren't Radicalized By Poverty Or Foreign Policy, But By Free Speech Online, So ISPs Agree To Censor Button"

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20141114/06414329138/david-cameron-says-people-arent-radicalized-poverty-foreign-policy-free-speech-online-so-isps-agree-to-censor-button.shtml

:heh
Title: Re: Oil is :flabbynsick: - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 15, 2014, 03:55:01 AM
Finally, the internet will be safe for work.
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on November 15, 2014, 06:06:19 PM
Ughhhh :brazilcry
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 15, 2014, 07:15:54 PM
The #dualities of hyper religious fervor and the crazy sexual shit that goes on in SA amongst the ruling class
:tocry

although I suppose the Koran doesn't say anything about pooping on Instagram chicks
:whew
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: Steve Contra on November 18, 2014, 11:34:34 AM
Welp, Israel about to go nuts again.
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 19, 2014, 10:29:30 AM
Quote from: Esch on November 19, 2014, 10:17:53 AM
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/11/israeli-forces-destroy-home-palestinian-2014111955011479517.html

here we go.

Welp, this is gonna get out of hand quickly. Don't tap on Israel breh, they come out swinging...correct or not.
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on November 19, 2014, 10:37:57 AM
Aljazeera comments section :kobeyuck

Replace political back and forth with religious back and forth and it sounds the same.
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 19, 2014, 10:39:53 AM
Man Israel and Palestine are like two brothers who can't stop beating the shit out of each other.
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on November 19, 2014, 10:43:51 AM
Except Palestine never gets to beat the shit out of Israel. They might flick it's ear just to get kneed to the face.
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 19, 2014, 10:47:58 AM
Quote from: Brehvolution on November 19, 2014, 10:43:51 AM
Except Palestine never gets to beat the shit out of Israel. They might flick it's ear just to get kneed to the face.

Good point, it's like a 10 year old brother and a 5 year old brother...good call.
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on November 19, 2014, 10:55:39 AM
Practice Sippenhaft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sippenhaft), brehs.
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 02, 2014, 11:42:59 AM
I was reading Dafuq the other day, and thought the same thing.
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on December 02, 2014, 12:45:46 PM
Lizzy Badcock  :noooo
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on December 02, 2014, 01:09:13 PM
The fuck is going on in ol' Blighty?
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on December 02, 2014, 02:07:13 PM
it's Lolly you plebes
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on December 02, 2014, 02:21:10 PM
Also, fucking :heh @ the only not ISIL or Israel/Palestine news we post in this thread for a month being porn industry related
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 02, 2014, 02:46:30 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on December 02, 2014, 02:21:10 PM
Also, fucking :heh @ the only not ISIL or Israel/Palestine news we post in this thread for a month being porn industry related

They came for the porn, but we said nothing because we were not PD, something something.
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: Yeti on December 02, 2014, 03:19:52 PM
Quote from: Esch on December 02, 2014, 12:31:12 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/a-long-list-of-sex-acts-just-got-banned-in-uk-porn-9897174.html

:rofl

Quote
Spanking

Caning

Aggressive whipping

Penetration by any object "associated with violence"

Physical or verbal abuse (regardless of  if consensual)

Urolagnia (known as "water sports")

Female ejaculation

Strangulation

Facesitting

Fisting

I'm fucked, my fetish is all of these things being performed by people with British accents.  :'(  :gbcry
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on December 02, 2014, 07:44:12 PM
Quote from: Esch on December 02, 2014, 12:31:12 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/a-long-list-of-sex-acts-just-got-banned-in-uk-porn-9897174.html

:rofl

Quote
Spanking

Caning

Aggressive whipping

Penetration by any object "associated with violence"

Physical or verbal abuse (regardless of  if consensual)

Urolagnia (known as "water sports")

Female ejaculation

Strangulation

Facesitting

Fisting
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/3806936/sesame-street-letter-l-o.gif)
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 03, 2014, 01:36:36 AM
Don't have a constitution brehs.
:heh

Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 03, 2014, 01:48:35 AM
Libel and slander filthy rich Saudis brehs.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2014/12/glenn-beck-loses-bid-to-dismiss-saudis-libel-suit-199438.html?ml=po

Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on December 03, 2014, 10:53:45 AM
I hope he gets cleaned out. It will set a much needed precedent about making up shit about people to scare others.
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 03, 2014, 03:17:45 PM
I was at a pawn shop today and some old white lady was buying a gun. The clerk asked her what she intended to use the gun for and she said "Well, you know those ISIS people..." :heh
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on December 04, 2014, 02:47:55 PM
Rumor that the latest IMF GDP numbers are going to show the PRC is the world's largest economy. Marxism-Leninism won and liberal capitalism lost like its name is Nas. :rejoice
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 04, 2014, 02:53:04 PM
notice how the US lost after adopting socialism.
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: Mupepe on December 04, 2014, 06:51:10 PM
After this hits CNN the average American will of a sudden be an expert on why PPP is a terrible form of measuring an economy.
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on December 05, 2014, 07:34:22 PM
People power. :smug
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 05, 2014, 07:58:08 PM
Quote from: Vularai on December 04, 2014, 02:47:55 PM
Rumor that the latest IMF GDP numbers are going to show the PRC is the world's largest economy. Marxism-Leninism won and liberal capitalism lost like its name is Nas. :rejoice
(http://chineseposters.net/images/e13-781.jpg)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/images/0602-deng-xiaoping/10278871-2-eng-US/0602-deng-xiaoping_full_600.jpg)
[close]
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on December 07, 2014, 02:57:13 PM
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2013-12/26/c_132996545.htm  Come on benji. :wag

Quote from: Mupepe on December 04, 2014, 06:51:10 PM
After this hits CNN the average American will of a sudden be an expert on why PPP is a terrible form of measuring an economy.

I don't doubt it.
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on December 07, 2014, 03:01:42 PM
Is there a GAF thread about this yet? I want to troll the libs and lickspittles by pointing out that the internal contradictions of capitalism (specifically, its descent into dogmatism during and after the collapse of the Soviet Union) have brought it low before the superiority of the One True Science.

I guess the end of history too has an end. :hitler
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 08, 2014, 10:26:52 AM
Quote
Future historians - that is, assuming there are humans still around to contemplate history - may one day point to House Resolution 758 as the single piece of legislation that sparked a global conflagration between two leading nuclear powers.

This is not hyperbole.

 :badass
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 08, 2014, 12:34:06 PM
Quote
When political veteran Ron Paul says the House passed what he ranked as “one of the worst pieces of legislation ever,” well, we had better sit up and switch off CNN, especially when that legislation happens to involve a historical heavyweight like Russia.

(http://i.imgur.com/U2wejva.png)
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on December 08, 2014, 12:48:45 PM
Will someone please listen to Ron Paul?? :brazilcry
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on December 08, 2014, 01:08:31 PM
Russia does have a shit ton of of natural gas that our energy overlords would rather take then buy. What's a few trillion $ of taxpayer money if they get their private hands and most of the worlds natural gas?
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 08, 2014, 02:22:28 PM
after a nuclear war? :neogaf

makes more sense to fuck Russia's economy and wait for the current government to collapse. Putin is probably too strong to go down anytime soon though.
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on December 08, 2014, 03:05:13 PM
Have a nuclear war with 50 year old missiles, breh.

There won't be nuclear war. There is no profit if everything is dead.
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 08, 2014, 05:23:14 PM
Does Russia even still have old nuclear missiles? I would have assumed those were all sold off in the rampant capitalism that sold off the rest of the former Soviet assets in the 1990s.
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 09, 2014, 10:48:24 AM
Quote from: Brehvolution on December 08, 2014, 03:05:13 PM
Have a nuclear war with 50 year old missiles, breh.

There won't be nuclear war. There is no profit if everything is dead.
Which is why any talk of war with Russia is bullshit, including that article. It doesn't benefit us or Russia, would sink the world economy, etc. That doesn't mean Putin will stop being a habitual line crosser tho.
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 09, 2014, 10:54:48 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 09, 2014, 10:48:24 AM
Quote from: Brehvolution on December 08, 2014, 03:05:13 PM
Have a nuclear war with 50 year old missiles, breh.

There won't be nuclear war. There is no profit if everything is dead.
Which is why any talk of war with Russia is bullshit, including that article. It doesn't benefit us or Russia, would sink the world economy, etc. That doesn't mean Putin will stop being a habitual line crosser tho.

Putin is like that one friend everyone has that loves to push the limits at all times.
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: pilonv1 on December 15, 2014, 03:32:28 AM
I used to work one block from Martin Place and walk past there every day for lunch.
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 16, 2014, 12:41:27 AM
Kind of surprised more stuff like that doesn't happen. Micro scale terrorism seems more effective and easier than massive plots the CIA and FBI are just going to dismantle.
Title: Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
Post by: Steve Contra on December 16, 2014, 12:48:47 PM
Remember when the Right was trumpeting Putin as "playing chess while was Obama was playing checkers"?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/16/upshot/vladimir-putin-vs-the-currency-markets-what-to-know-about-the-rubles-collapse.html?_r=0&abt=0002&abg=1 (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/16/upshot/vladimir-putin-vs-the-currency-markets-what-to-know-about-the-rubles-collapse.html?_r=0&abt=0002&abg=1)

:neogaf
Title: Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 16, 2014, 01:02:58 PM
Quote from: Esch on December 16, 2014, 12:16:45 PM
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/12/16/scores-killed-inattackschoolinpeshawar.html

:snoop

Attack a high school brehs...

And wonder why you're endangering 1.5 billion innocent muslims on a daily basis brehs....

Title: Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 16, 2014, 02:01:12 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on December 16, 2014, 12:48:47 PM
Remember when the Right was trumpeting Putin as "playing chess while was Obama was playing checkers"?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/16/upshot/vladimir-putin-vs-the-currency-markets-what-to-know-about-the-rubles-collapse.html?_r=0&abt=0002&abg=1 (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/16/upshot/vladimir-putin-vs-the-currency-markets-what-to-know-about-the-rubles-collapse.html?_r=0&abt=0002&abg=1)

:neogaf

You mean to tell me economic sanctions slowly ramped up over time, aimed at an already struggling economy, during a period in which gas prices are relatively low/stable, fucked up an economy that doesn't do much but sell gas?
:mindblown

Treat global politics like fast food brehs.

Meanwhile the US economy is about to start trucking
:umad
Title: Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
Post by: Steve Contra on December 16, 2014, 02:10:45 PM
I remember all the "what can economic sanctions possibly do?" think pieces from smart/dumb pundits just a few months ago. 
Title: Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 16, 2014, 02:26:20 PM
I think people conflated two issues: how to "stop" Putin and how to punish Putin. In reality Putin was never going to back down, he can't afford to. Economic sanctions have destroyed Russia's economy, literally. Many people have left the piece of Ukraine he fucked with, to the point it didn't benefit Russia at all. Russia's big energy deal with China ended up being smaller than planned. And of course OPEC is fucking Russia due to their Assad support.

The only "out" Putin has will be some type of concession in another area, I have no idea what it'll be. It'll be something that allows Putin to declare victory, and that's when US conservatives will return with their bullshit.
Title: Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
Post by: Steve Contra on December 16, 2014, 02:30:29 PM
Putin's only "out" is higher gas prices.  Nothing short of that will do the trick now.
Title: Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on December 16, 2014, 02:58:42 PM
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-16/apple-stops-online-sales-in-russia-over-ruble-fluctuations.html?hootPostID=6d80e7f3350c6b65d4f4721218e9b939

:ufup
Title: Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 16, 2014, 04:16:29 PM
Quote from: Brehvolution on December 16, 2014, 02:58:42 PM
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-16/apple-stops-online-sales-in-russia-over-ruble-fluctuations.html?hootPostID=6d80e7f3350c6b65d4f4721218e9b939

:ufup

The most harsh sanction of all.
Title: Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
Post by: Mupepe on December 16, 2014, 06:33:45 PM
I think the issue with Russia is that the initial sanctions before the downed Malaysia Airlines jet really were toothless.  They became more targeted after, but by that time the narrative had been written and people ran with it.  So unfortunately idiots are still going to assume the sanctions did nothing. 

Also, Putin did some of the worst damage to Russia by banning imports of Western food.  Talk about reactionary.
Title: Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on December 16, 2014, 09:20:37 PM
That and OPEC said fuck you American shale exploration and then Russia was all  :noooo Cheap oil !?!  :brazilcry

#dualities
Title: Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on December 17, 2014, 03:40:00 PM
Good piece on Central Asian dependence on Russia and how these sanctions affect them (https://easternprofiles.wordpress.com/2014/12/15/echoes-of-russias-sanction-war-in-central-asia/)
Title: Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 01, 2015, 01:54:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Xt8WIPIwp4
Title: Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 01, 2015, 01:59:27 PM
 :brazilcry
Title: Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 01, 2015, 02:24:24 PM
 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
Post by: T-Short on January 01, 2015, 04:20:57 PM
Brooker smuggled an Adam Curtis joint into his 2014 wipe  :mindblown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOY4Ka-GBus

And as if that wasn't :gloomy :gloomy :gloomy enough, he has a new iPlayer special coming out on Jan 25:th!
Title: Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on January 01, 2015, 04:57:37 PM
He also had an Adam Curtis segment in one of his things a few years ago IIRC
Title: Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 01, 2015, 06:33:07 PM
oh god i'm dyin even at the UK centric parts i'm not that familiar with

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3EoNsGHZD0

EDIT: Shariah Carey  :dead :dead :dead :dead
Title: Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on January 01, 2015, 10:56:48 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/sweden-hit-third-mosque-arson-attack-week-145914459.html

 :what
Title: Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on January 02, 2015, 01:10:26 AM
Rasist Javisst.

Fuck this decade.
Title: Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
Post by: T-Short on January 02, 2015, 02:15:00 PM
Quote from: Broseidon on January 01, 2015, 04:57:37 PM
He also had an Adam Curtis segment in one of his things a few years ago IIRC

yeah, but BBC:s censorship levels are far harsher these days
Title: Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 03, 2015, 06:31:22 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/02/justice/sex-abuse-prince-allegation

 :lucas
Title: Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on January 03, 2015, 04:16:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUST-Wdqn80
Title: Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on January 04, 2015, 12:36:19 PM
Already removed. Another PR video?
Title: Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on January 04, 2015, 01:13:57 PM
John Cantlie giving a tour of Mosul talking about how awesome everything is.
Title: Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 07, 2015, 08:56:26 AM
Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/paris-charlie-hebdo-attack
At least 12 people were killed Wednesday when gunmen stormed the offices of a satirical newspaper in Paris in what French President Francois Hollande called a "terrorist attack."

The Associated Press reported that Paris prosecutor's spokeswoman Agnes Thibault-Lecuivre confirmed the deaths at Charlie Hebdo's headquarters in central Paris. Hollande also told reporters that four others were critically injured in the attack, according to NBC News.

"We will find the people who did this," he said, as quoted by NBC News. "France is today shocked by this terrorist attack."

Reports differ as to how many attackers entered the Charlie Hebdo offices, although there appears to have been at least two gunmen.

One witness told French TV channel iTELE that he saw two black-hooded men enter the building with Kalashnikov rifles, according to Reuters. A Paris police union official, Luc Poignant, said the attackers escaped in two vehicles, according to the AP.

But a spokesman for a different police union, Rocco Contento, told The Guardian that three men he described as "commandos" carried out the attack before fleeing in a getaway car driven by a fourth man.

Part of the attack was caught on video from the roof of a neighboring building:

http://www.francetvinfo.fr/faits-divers/attaque-au-siege-de-charlie-hebdo/video-des-images-de-l-attaque-au-siege-de-charlie-hebdo_790543.html
Title: Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
Post by: Eric P on January 07, 2015, 09:00:21 AM
it is apparently the most violent terrorist attack in france's recent history.

previous record was something like 9 deaths
Title: Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on January 07, 2015, 11:09:19 AM
Fuck's sake...
Title: Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
Post by: CatsCatsCats on January 07, 2015, 11:19:50 AM
I can't believe they got away, too.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Steve Contra on January 07, 2015, 11:44:32 AM
Fuck.  One of their cartoonists did some work for us before and he's good friends with one of our producers.  Waiting to hear if he's safe :'(
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on January 07, 2015, 11:45:07 AM
Oh, every right-wing reactionary group is. :-\
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Steve Contra on January 07, 2015, 12:04:01 PM
Someone has a serious stick up their ass about Charlie Hebdo.  Kind of shocking that they took it this scale though.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 07, 2015, 01:47:35 PM
Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/charlie-hebdo-staffer-says-attackers-claimed-to-be-al-qaida
A staffer for satirical French newspaper Charlie Hebdo said that masked attackers threatened her to gain access to its offices as they launched their attack Wednesday and claimed to belong to Al-Qaeda.

Corinne Rey, known as Coco, told French publication L'Humanite that she was "brutally threatened" by two armed men at the door of the newspaper's offices after picking her daughter up from daycare.

"They wanted to enter, go up. I typed the code," she said, as quoted by The Guardian. "They shot Wolinski, Cabu ... it lasted five minutes ... I had taken refuge under a desk."

Rey was referring to two of the newspaper's prominent cartoonists, who were among the 12 people killed in the attack.

"They spoke French perfectly ... claiming to be Al-Qaida," she said of the assailants, as quoted by the Guardian.

Other French media reported that the assailants told an eyewitness to "tell the media that we are from Al-Qaida in the Yemen," according to The Guardian.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on January 07, 2015, 02:27:40 PM
I feel like this will create a crossroads between western world and islam going forward. there's no fucking way islam at large can spout "religion of peace" "extreme few" when cartoonists were killed for drawing muhammad. european hostility towards muslims is going to fucking skyrocket now, especially in france, and it was already pretty high before this.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: CatsCatsCats on January 07, 2015, 03:03:20 PM
I just don't understand how they got clean away in 2015, no one in the office took cover and had a cell phone? No security alarm to trigger?
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 07, 2015, 03:11:42 PM
completely unrelated, sort of...

but this was on CNN's front page (http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/07/us/lebanon-porn-star-uproar/index.html) when I got the latest deets about the attack.  I'm actually a bit surprised that this is at all controversial anywhere in the world.  There's no where on earth that doesn't use her, um, product.  But it also speaks to the schism, I suppose, however superficial (tremendously in this case) between the social conservatives and the liberals.  I still can't believe that anybody would waste brain cells getting angry about this though (well, I can, but I don't understand it).
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: CatsCatsCats on January 07, 2015, 03:22:03 PM
From that article, they guy defending her, saying porn industry is regulated like banking "actually probably more regulated than banking" :dead
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 07, 2015, 07:41:58 PM
NBC's reporting that one suspect in the shooting has been killed and two others are in custody.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Positive Touch on January 07, 2015, 07:52:24 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on January 07, 2015, 11:44:32 AM
Fuck.  One of their cartoonists did some work for us before and he's good friends with one of our producers.  Waiting to hear if he's safe :'(

*looks at some of the cartoons from the paper*

:what you were friends with one of these guys?

Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on January 07, 2015, 07:53:39 PM
Quote from: Queen of Ice on January 07, 2015, 02:27:40 PM
I feel like this will create a crossroads between western world and islam going forward. there's no fucking way islam at large can spout "religion of peace" "extreme few" when cartoonists were killed for drawing muhammad. european hostility towards muslims is going to fucking skyrocket now, especially in france, and it was already pretty high before this.

While I was in Turkey, everyone I spoke with condemned the terrorist acts, and was ashamed that anything like that would be associated with a religion based on peace and love and charity. It was explained to me that the Koran doesn’t have any passages supporting taking vengeance on others; in contrast, the Bible has all manner of talk about when it’s OK to kill in God’s name. I haven’t read either book, so I don’t know if that’s true, but the speaker claimed that the leaders of the Taliban, for example, were able to claim murder as viable in God’s name solely because the followers were illiterate and unable to read the Koran for themselves.

Doesn’t seem like that argument holds up consistently, but I thought it was an interesting take.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 07, 2015, 09:31:15 PM
Quote
On "America's Newsroom," Lt. Col. Ralph Peters (Ret.) reacted to the deadly terror attack on the Paris offices of a satirical newspaper and called out the "cowardly" English-speaking media.

"It's a terrible morning. It's a bad morning for press freedom, for freedom of information. It's bad because the terrorists won. The terrorists won this morning," Peters said.

"Even if those terrorists are tracked down and killed - and I hope they are killed and die miserably - the end result of this is going to be we're going to continue to self-censor."

Peters said that no publication in the English-speaking world had the guts to take on Islamic fanaticism and mock Islamic fanatics as Charlie Hebdo did.

"The correct response to this attack, by all of us in journalism ... if we had guts, those cartoons would be reprinted on the front page of The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post, The Los Angeles Times tomorrow. They won't be."

"Brave journalists died and cowardly ones will profit."

Peters also said that we've seen terrorism get more and more sophisticated and pervasive, as we lose the will to fight.

"This was a horrible attack on brave journalists, but every day dozens and hundreds of people around the world are slaughtered by Islamic extremists, and we will not come to grips with it," Peters said.

"Our president will not come to grips with it, journalists will not come to grips with it, even our military is lawyer-addled, lawyer-ridden and worried about offending our enemies," he asserted.

"We in the journalism world are not going to stand up against fanatical Islam. We're just not gonna do it. We don't have the guts."
:american :american :american

From The Telegraph:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6v9p-nCQAAaQEZ.png)
 :derp
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 07, 2015, 09:47:56 PM
I've seen those covers on plenty of news sites, though...
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on January 07, 2015, 09:58:30 PM
Quote from: chronovore on January 07, 2015, 07:53:39 PM
Quote from: Queen of Ice on January 07, 2015, 02:27:40 PM
I feel like this will create a crossroads between western world and islam going forward. there's no fucking way islam at large can spout "religion of peace" "extreme few" when cartoonists were killed for drawing muhammad. european hostility towards muslims is going to fucking skyrocket now, especially in france, and it was already pretty high before this.

While I was in Turkey, everyone I spoke with condemned the terrorist acts, and was ashamed that anything like that would be associated with a religion based on peace and love and charity. It was explained to me that the Koran doesn’t have any passages supporting taking vengeance on others; in contrast, the Bible has all manner of talk about when it’s OK to kill in God’s name. I haven’t read either book, so I don’t know if that’s true, but the speaker claimed that the leaders of the Taliban, for example, were able to claim murder as viable in God’s name solely because the followers were illiterate and unable to read the Koran for themselves.

Doesn’t seem like that argument holds up consistently, but I thought it was an interesting take.
There might be something to the illiteracy part. The kind of Koran schools you hear of in places like Afghanistan are just cram schools where the kids learn to read the book and recite it by heart, not to understand its content. To be more precice, they learn it in Arabic and not Pashto or any of the other languages of Afghanistan. I assume actual religous study is done at the mosque. For liturgical purposes though they'd still have to use Arabic I believe.
If they wanted to check what the Koran says they'd have to get a translation or an annotated version, which I'm not sure are readily available everywhere. Or outright learn Arabic, I suppose.

This blog post and especially the comments have more info:
http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=14046

Besides that the people your acquaintance has in mind might actually be illiterate in any language, though that's probably a small minority.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 07, 2015, 10:04:54 PM
I've heard the case made before that both the allowance of (people outside The Church) translating the Bible along with increasing literacy (and publishing capability) did much to effectively line up the pins for Martin Luther and Church of England to contest interpretation of it on a wide scale.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 07, 2015, 10:09:21 PM
Actually, I have no idea why I'm using my fifth-hand knowledge about subjects I learn about unintentionally when I could talk about all the different translations of historical/political documents and that effect. Like especially all the Greek/Roman historical details. Wave my degrees around before pointing you to the wikipedia pages. Or reference Ezra Klein talking about how you can't understand the Constitution because it's like a hundred years old.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on January 07, 2015, 11:35:47 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 07, 2015, 10:04:54 PM
I've heard the case made before that both the allowance of (people outside The Church) translating the Bible along with increasing literacy (and publishing capability) did much to effectively line up the pins for Martin Luther and Church of England to contest interpretation of it on a wide scale.
this is something you don't see at all in the East. Coptic, Syriac, Armenian and Georgian churches existed in full communion with the Orthodox, Greek see in Constantinople.* Discourse between the sees was the norm for centuries until boundaries were redrawn, and each church assumed autocephaly/autonomy/complete detachment depending on the new political climate (which kind of explains why they became important national/cultural symbols in the Modern Period).

I don't study the Catholic Church in the High Middle Ages/Early Modern Period (from what I've read it's fascinating though, from a power politics perspective), but a big theme I've gleaned from people who do know what they're talking about is that Rome's first interest is making sure that the laity's conversation with God happens through the Church. If you preach while claiming an authority that isn't mediated through the papacy you're an apostate. If the region you're preaching in also happens to be a political powder keg (Albigensian Crusade/Hussite Wars), that's a recipe for inquisition. Rome isn't necessarily interested in what you believe, but how you believe it and it follows that standardizing the vernacular of the Bible provides a huge advantage to the Church in interpretation.

It's really tempting to draw parallels between the Reformation and what we're seeing in the Middle East right now (burgeoning nation-states, technology providing access to a vocal and liberal lower/middle class), the issue is that, following the dissolution of the Ottoman Caliphate in 1923, there is no formal head of (Sunni) Islam. The Salafi/Wahhabi factions who would be opposed to vernacular Qur'ans are just that, factions, who hold significant political capital, but not absolute appellancy. From what I've read, opposition to a nebulous western imperialism (which, in light of the past 100 years, is a little justified, if not well-articulated to say the least) is just about the only consensus opinion within the Middle East writ large; political thinking is incredibly fragmented, as well it should be because we're talking about 50+ countries spanning half the globe. I'm not fully informed about the Middle East's economic climate, but I can't imagine that in a global economy that forces you to organize and standardize your human capital in order to compete, there won't be increasing pressure from the bottom up for states to conform to Western educational and human rights standards, especially provided the West's (ostensible) current economic hegemony.

tl;dr: something something, legacy of the Enlightenment, you imperialist kuffar have nothing to worry about


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iirc, the rhetoric coming from Westminster during the Henrician Reformation was way more about royal supremacy than interpretive theology/exegesis per se. The English people during the 16th century are considered to be way more conservative than the subjects in the HRE
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*edit: and later on, Slavic churches as well, obv
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 07, 2015, 11:50:50 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on January 07, 2015, 11:35:47 PM
the issue is that, following the dissolution of the Ottoman Caliphate in 1923, there is no formal head of (Sunni) Islam.
(http://reclaimourrepublic.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/obama-isis.jpg)
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2015, 12:11:29 AM
Fox is right, these Islamic terrorists are insane. Just think what they would do if provoked by a video.
:hitler
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: T-Short on January 09, 2015, 04:16:13 AM
Thought this was an interesting read:
http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/2015/01/in-the-wake-of-charlie-hebdo-free-speech-does-not-mean-freedom-from-criticism/ (http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/2015/01/in-the-wake-of-charlie-hebdo-free-speech-does-not-mean-freedom-from-criticism/)

The Mohammed cartoons never quite sat right with me, at least not calling them "satire" since the definition of satire I go by is that it's supposed to challenge power structures. The Mohammed cartoons ended up kicking down instead, since they are making fun of basic tenets of a religion that entire populations adhere to.

I wasn't familiar with Charlie Hebdo before this incident either, but when the leading cartoonists are white males in their 60:s, 70:s and 80:s I guess the style of humor isn't really aligned with mine.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on January 09, 2015, 05:21:57 AM
Quote from: Hyoushi on January 09, 2015, 04:16:13 AM
Thought this was an interesting read:
http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/2015/01/in-the-wake-of-charlie-hebdo-free-speech-does-not-mean-freedom-from-criticism/ (http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/2015/01/in-the-wake-of-charlie-hebdo-free-speech-does-not-mean-freedom-from-criticism/)

The Mohammed cartoons never quite sat right with me, at least not calling them "satire" since the definition of satire I go by is that it's supposed to challenge power structures. The Mohammed cartoons ended up kicking down instead, since they are making fun of basic tenets of a religion that entire populations adhere to.

I wasn't familiar with Charlie Hebdo before this incident either, but when the leading cartoonists are white males in their 60:s, 70:s and 80:s I guess the style of humor isn't really aligned with mine.

I agree that it's a good read, a thoughtful one, but I also don't agree with its point... although I'm not entirely sure what its point is. Yes, CH was racially and religiously charged. They were inconsiderate, and in consistently bad taste. The religionists who took offense decided that killing the source of the things which offended them responded asymmetrically. Their actions will only make life for the already-marginalized Muslim community in France more difficult.

The Westboro Baptist Church picketing a funeral is offensive and inconsiderate. I'd like to think that if someone pulled a drive-by on one of their gatherings all of us here would be properly aghast and horrified. Violence is not an acceptable answer to free speech.

Most of the time it just means the enacting of violence was due to not being able to generate a clever retort.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: T-Short on January 09, 2015, 05:39:37 AM
Quote from: chronovore on January 09, 2015, 05:21:57 AM
Quote from: Hyoushi on January 09, 2015, 04:16:13 AM
Thought this was an interesting read:
http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/2015/01/in-the-wake-of-charlie-hebdo-free-speech-does-not-mean-freedom-from-criticism/ (http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/2015/01/in-the-wake-of-charlie-hebdo-free-speech-does-not-mean-freedom-from-criticism/)

The Mohammed cartoons never quite sat right with me, at least not calling them "satire" since the definition of satire I go by is that it's supposed to challenge power structures. The Mohammed cartoons ended up kicking down instead, since they are making fun of basic tenets of a religion that entire populations adhere to.

I wasn't familiar with Charlie Hebdo before this incident either, but when the leading cartoonists are white males in their 60:s, 70:s and 80:s I guess the style of humor isn't really aligned with mine.

I agree that it's a good read, a thoughtful one, but I also don't agree with its point... although I'm not entirely sure what its point is. Yes, CH was racially and religiously charged. They were inconsiderate, and in consistently bad taste. The religionists who took offense decided that killing the source of the things which offended them responded asymmetrically. Their actions will only make life for the already-marginalized Muslim community in France more difficult.

The Westboro Baptist Church picketing a funeral is offensive and inconsiderate. I'd like to think that if someone pulled a drive-by on one of their gatherings all of us here would be properly aghast and horrified. Violence is not an acceptable answer to free speech.

Most of the time it just means the enacting of violence was due to not being able to generate a clever retort.

Yep, agree 100% on the free speech thing. My point is that I don't call it satire, and that I won't post any "Je Suis Charlie" stuff because I don't really like the publication after looking into it. Their provocations led to extremists lashing out with extreme, idiotic violence, killing 10 people. Was this the intended effect, and if not, what was? Indirectly, this will lead to the muslim minority of France and other countries being treated with even more disdain and suspicion, and will lead to easy talking points for counterjihadi/nationalist movements in France and other countries. Counterproductive?
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 09, 2015, 05:54:15 AM
Islamic Seal Team Six my ass, shooting unarmed civvies

Fucking junior jihadist motherfuckers pussies

Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on January 09, 2015, 06:20:08 AM
I have similar views, Hyoushi. Mass murder will amplify resentment against the "Muslim community" at large infinitely more than any cartoon may have though, so it's kind of a moot point that they were kicking Muslims when they were down. I don't know where things can go from here. People in the west aren't going to stop ridiculing and slandering Islam and Muslims any time soon. Any Muslim crazy enough to murder over an affront going forward is only going to make things that much worse for everyone.

If it's true that those responsible for this attack were in Al Qaida training camps though it might be time to drop the hammer on anyone else who's gone through similar training as soon is it's found out...
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 09, 2015, 09:51:03 AM
Quote
Paris authorities are officially treating Thursday's fatal shooting of a police officer, the second act of deadly violence the area has seen in as many days, as an act of terror.

A female police officer was fatally shot and a maintenance worker was injured when a gunman opened fire in Montrouge, a suburb south of Paris. The officer was responding to a traffic accident, according to the Associated Press.

Quote
The Paris prosecutor's office confirmed that a gunman took hostages Friday at a kosher supermarket in eastern Paris, the Associated Press reported.

Senior police official Christophe Tirante said the gunman killed two people and took five people hostage, including women and children, according to the New York Times.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/gunman-takes-hostages-paris-kosher-shop

:-\
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 09, 2015, 10:39:28 AM
Quote from: chronovore on January 09, 2015, 05:21:57 AM
I'd like to think that if someone pulled a drive-by on one of their gatherings all of us here would be properly aghast and horrified.

hahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

oh man

hhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 09, 2015, 11:37:43 AM
If this failed rapper wants to be a martyr then he should just simply step outside and let a sniper put an extra breathing hole in his head already.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on January 09, 2015, 11:56:40 AM
i used to be anti-caliphate, but in light of recent events I think I may be pro-caliphate. Muslims deserve to have a unified voice that speaks for their interests, and I feel like having someone who is similar to the Pope in terms of power and influence could really help Islam's image.

Whether or not this could help or make things worse, I'm not sure. But it's how I feel. The current status quo surely isn't working.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: T-Short on January 09, 2015, 12:11:30 PM
They're dead
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 09, 2015, 12:21:16 PM
Quote from: Queen of Ice on January 09, 2015, 11:56:40 AM
i used to be anti-caliphate, but in light of recent events I think I may be pro-caliphate. Muslims deserve to have a unified voice that speaks for their interests, and I feel like having someone who is similar to the Pope in terms of power and influence could really help Islam's image.

Whether or not this could help or make things worse, I'm not sure. But it's how I feel. The current status quo surely isn't working.

I agree with this. However deciding who would be the voice of said caliphate will result in more violence I think

:tocry
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 09, 2015, 12:27:35 PM
Pretending that having a PR talking head will help "solve" anything for Muslims is dumb- you're not going to get someone who represents a "majority" of Muslims, because Islam has major schisms and ignoring those is, as stated, dumb. At best you'd get a Shia Al Sharpton and a Sunni Jesse Jackson and they'd be outwardly polite to the other side while still throwing shade.

Also, pretending the Pope is some sort of Christian PR rep is insulting to non-Catholics for whom he does NOT speak, no matter how cuddly this Pope comes off as.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on January 09, 2015, 12:30:13 PM
Maybe. But Islam without a caliphate is still harmful. An Indian muslim leader gave the guys who did the attack in Paris 8 million. With a caliphate, there would be someone to go to the media and denounce that. Without it, you have scared people like Lager-san who label all Muslims as violent lunatics. No united representation means no voice. I think that's much worse than the alternative. I never really said the pope speaks for all christians, but at the very least, he's a guy people can go to as a known leader and representative and helps people recognize that there are various viewpoints and ideas and schisms within Christianity. Islam, as it is now, is just seen as Islam without one care in the world towards differentiating Muslim viewpoints. Even if the caliphate doesn't represent all Muslim views, he doesn't have to. So long as he represents *a* view.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 09, 2015, 12:34:18 PM
It would be helpful but it's not going to happen. For any influential guy that comes out and denounces stuff like this, you've got plenty of others like that fruitcake who wrote the op-ed that will say that you can't provoke Muslims by portraying Mohammed in any light, and sadly it's in the interest of the western media to focus on nuts like that anyway.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on January 09, 2015, 12:38:18 PM
That much is true.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 09, 2015, 12:52:08 PM
I don't even think most Catholics really care that much about what the Pope says/does. And when was the last time anybody asked the Pope to comment on something an ordinary Catholic in America did?
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 09, 2015, 01:01:24 PM
But would the Muslim pope be Sunni or Shiite
:hitler

Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 09, 2015, 01:04:44 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 09, 2015, 01:01:24 PM
But would the Muslim pope be Sunni or Shiite
:hitler

Wanna fight about it?

Signed,

A Baathist
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on January 09, 2015, 01:19:56 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 09, 2015, 12:52:08 PM
I don't even think most Catholics really care that much about what the Pope says/does. And when was the last time anybody asked the Pope to comment on something an ordinary Catholic in America did?

My Catholic father in law says the pope's comments on capitalism makes him sound like a communists. ::) This pope can rub right wingers the wrong way.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 09, 2015, 01:30:56 PM
Himu, this is a good piece on stuff.

http://www.juancole.com/2015/01/sharpening-contradictions-satirists.html

Quote
For those who require unrelated people to take responsibility for those who claim to be their co-religionists (not a demand ever made of Christians), the al-Azhar Seminary, seat of Sunni Muslim learning and fatwas, condemned the attack, as did the Arab League that comprises 22 Muslim-majority states.

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/119710/Egypt/Politics-/AlAzhar-and-Arab-League-condemn-Paris-attack.aspx
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 09, 2015, 01:32:04 PM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on January 09, 2015, 01:30:56 PM
Himu, this is a good piece on stuff.

http://www.juancole.com/2015/01/sharpening-contradictions-satirists.html

Quote
For those who require unrelated people to take responsibility for those who claim to be their co-religionists (not a demand ever made of Christians), the al-Azhar Seminary, seat of Sunni Muslim learning and fatwas, condemned the attack, as did the Arab League that comprises 22 Muslim-majority states.

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/119710/Egypt/Politics-/AlAzhar-and-Arab-League-condemn-Paris-attack.aspx

*cut to Fox News host complaining that Muslims and Muslim groups never condemn terror attacks*
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Positive Touch on January 09, 2015, 03:12:42 PM
jfc himu

it's not Muslims fault that millions of dipshits in the west want to view them as violent
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 09, 2015, 04:45:34 PM
Quote from: Big Jumbo on January 09, 2015, 03:12:42 PM
jfc himu

it's not Muslims fault that millions of dipshits in the west want to view them as violent

But I bet Western conservatives would totally not have a complete freakout if an actual caliphate took over the entire Middle East to unite hundreds of millions of Muslims under a singular leadership! (http://i.imgur.com/5XBygqK.gif)
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on January 09, 2015, 05:06:40 PM
Quote from: Big Jumbo on January 09, 2015, 03:12:42 PM
jfc himu

it's not Muslims fault that millions of dipshits in the west want to view them as violent

That's a pretty fucking bad argument considering that we just had Muslims kill people in a newspaper building over making cartoons, sorry. Glossing over the problem by saying,"not ALL muslims aren't violent" is unhelpful and doesn't really correlate with reality in a world with ISIS and cartoon newspaper shootings. That's not to say that all Muslims are violent or extremist, because they aren't, but the idea that we should gloss over Islam's propensity towards extremism - because not ALL muslims aren't like that - is insane. I never said it was Muslims' fault at all, especially given the inerrant fact that there are economical and social reasoning discussed on this very page as to why that isn't, but acting like the current status quo of "let's not do anything" while cartoonists are being shot is fucking stupid.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Positive Touch on January 09, 2015, 05:14:56 PM
cool and all the western Christian nations can get together and apologize for their histories and current wars/violence against other nations and then we'll finally have world peace
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 09, 2015, 06:51:20 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 09, 2015, 01:32:04 PM
*cut to Fox News host complaining that Muslims and Muslim groups never condemn terror attacks*
okay:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf62K27s8pQ
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Mr Gilhaney on January 09, 2015, 11:08:19 PM
When T tries to rush CT spawn in CS

(video of shooting) http://s1.webmshare.com/LJ7OB.webm
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 10, 2015, 12:22:30 AM
Quote from: Big Jumbo on January 09, 2015, 05:14:56 PM
cool and all the western Christian nations can get together and apologize for their histories and current wars/violence against other nations and then we'll finally have world peace

Which christian nations? Which wars are they fighting for religions sake?

All i see is muslim terrorists killing people
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Positive Touch on January 10, 2015, 12:31:34 AM
gee I wonder why that's all you see
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Positive Touch on January 10, 2015, 12:39:59 AM
ok lemme give a less glib response while I try to sort this out in my head

the us and European countries bomb the shit out of a lot of muslim countries daily, in addition to fucking with them in a lot of other ways. THAT'S ofc the main reason why there's so much rage. the cartoons and shit are like a daily "ha ha fuck you" to drive home the point.

again, not trying to make that an excuse, because there was no excuse for what those dudes did. but the narratives that emerged, about omg they can't handle cartoons or omg evil Muslims completely ignores the bigger context while fitting nearly into our existing Islamophobic narrative. that's what's getting on my nerves.

does that make sense? fuck it, I already typed too much
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 10, 2015, 01:12:32 AM
No, it's because they hate us for our freedoms.

Blowback theory is just a myth, which is why we need to turn the Middle East into glass for daring to launch terrorist attacks on U.S. soil.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 10, 2015, 04:16:56 AM
So youre not making an excuse but you are.

If they are so pissed at the fighting against isis maybe they shoulf go join them instead of killing cartoonists. Fucking cowards.

Why are they even in Europe anyway? Why not go back to their dream muslim states if we are so rotten?

Oh wait...
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 10, 2015, 04:21:39 AM
Obviously im talkinh about extremists here not your average muslim that is part of society.

Door to go back to paradise is open and no one would stop them from leaving.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on January 10, 2015, 01:31:03 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzO0Ob9lSzo

Esch's bro spitting the ether.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 10, 2015, 03:56:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzusSqcotDw

 :leon
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: doctavius bonbon on January 10, 2015, 04:12:43 PM
fucking ethered

loved how they ended it with "just askin the questions!!!"
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on January 11, 2015, 02:12:09 PM
https://storify.com/tometty/staunch-defenders-of-free-press-attend-solidarity
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 11, 2015, 02:23:21 PM
Boko Haram, man, I just can't even. :-\
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on January 11, 2015, 02:25:40 PM
If anyone deserves Ebola...
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Positive Touch on January 11, 2015, 02:26:14 PM
Quote from: Rufus on January 11, 2015, 02:12:09 PM
https://storify.com/tometty/staunch-defenders-of-free-press-attend-solidarity

between this and the way French protesters are co-opting recent u.s. protest images/methods, the whole thing is looking like a huge fucking joke. je suis Charlie, indeed.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2015, 10:15:26 PM
No major US folks went to the big rally huh?
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 11, 2015, 10:19:39 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2015, 10:15:26 PM
No major US folks went to the big rally huh?

Eric Holder

Edit: Hmm, apparently no US officials in Paris actually took part in the rally.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2015, 10:20:27 PM
He wasn't at the rally, he was at a summit in Paris.

just seems weird.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on January 11, 2015, 10:51:38 PM
Quote from: Big Jumbo on January 09, 2015, 05:14:56 PM
cool and all the western Christian nations can get together and apologize for their histories and current wars/violence against other nations and then we'll finally have world peace

Who said anything about Christianity? I'm not giving an excuse to Christianity at all.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on January 11, 2015, 10:56:23 PM
Quote from: Brehvolution on January 10, 2015, 01:31:03 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzO0Ob9lSzo

Esch's bro spitting the ether.

:bow
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 12, 2015, 05:09:46 PM
ISIS has finally gone too far

http://imgur.com/a/IoV1x
https://plus.google.com/+notepad-plus-plus/posts/btH6ttQ1Sud
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Himu on January 12, 2015, 05:43:37 PM


http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/30777607
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 14, 2015, 09:19:42 AM
Remember how France had a huge rally in defense of free speech just a couple days ago? Well:

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/dieudonne-arrested-paris-attacks-facebook-post
French comedian Dieudonné M’bala M’bala was arrested Wednesday for allegedly expressing sympathy for one of the Paris attack terrorists in a Facebook post, The Guardian reported.

“Tonight, as far as I’m concerned, I feel like Charlie Coulibaly,” the comedian allegedly wrote, as quoted by The Guardian. The post has since been removed, and it combined the slogan “Je suis Charlie" with the name of Amedy Coulibaly, who killed four people in a Paris kosher market.

An anonymous justice source told The Guardian that Dieudonné was arrested for being an "apologist for terrorism.”

Dieudonné — infamous for his "quenelle" gesture that critics say is reminiscent of the Nazi salute — attended the rally for free speech in Paris on Sunday, which he also called “a magical moment comparable to the big bang" in his Facebook post.

The French government had previously banned the comedian's show for anti-Semitism. The U.K. also barred Dieudonné from entering the country last year.

Quote
In a city still shaken after deadly Islamic terror attacks, authorities said 54 people had been detained for defending or glorifying terrorism.

 :snoop
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Positive Touch on January 14, 2015, 10:09:47 AM
woah wait you mean to tell me is about Islamophobia and not free speech like all these enlightened-and totally-not-racist people had been telling me? WHO KNEW?!
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 14, 2015, 10:50:26 AM
Thanks, Obama!
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 14, 2015, 02:36:51 PM
"Freedom of speech is an American concept, so I don’t give it any value. It’s not my job to give value to an American concept.’"
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 14, 2015, 02:40:56 PM
Quote from: Big Jumbo on January 09, 2015, 05:14:56 PM
cool and all the western Christian nations can get together and apologize for their histories and current wars/violence against other nations and then we'll finally have world peace

yeah but then we need to figure out where we have to displace the moors....I can't be assed to do that.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on January 14, 2015, 03:50:06 PM
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/texas-gun-rights-group-reenacts-paris-massacre-with-armed-civilian-and-everyone-still-dies/

What was the point they were trying to make again?  ???
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 14, 2015, 03:55:11 PM
I'm a gun guy and even I don't get the point of that.

Assume arming everyone turns them into Arnold in Commando, brehs.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 14, 2015, 04:01:52 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on January 14, 2015, 03:55:11 PM
Assume arming everyone turns them into Arnold in Commando, brehs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW2Q0W2V4q0

Do you mean to tell me that this doesn't represent reality?
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Mupepe on January 14, 2015, 05:56:43 PM
Quote from: Brehvolution on January 14, 2015, 03:50:06 PM
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/texas-gun-rights-group-reenacts-paris-massacre-with-armed-civilian-and-everyone-still-dies/

What was the point they were trying to make again?  ???
:lol :lol
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 14, 2015, 08:49:45 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 14, 2015, 04:01:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW2Q0W2V4q0

Do you mean to tell me that this doesn't represent reality?
No, this does:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a0L3Z1A-RM

(wanted the boat part too :( )

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4GpJd__EVU
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I loved you in Wall Street!
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Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 15, 2015, 08:50:16 AM
Quote from: Big Jumbo on January 14, 2015, 10:09:47 AM
woah wait you mean to tell me is about Islamophobia and not free speech like all these enlightened-and totally-not-racist people had been telling me? WHO KNEW?!

Its the media amirite?
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on January 17, 2015, 10:41:26 AM
Turkish military says MIT* shipped weapons to al-Qaeda
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/01/turkey-syria-intelligence-service-shipping-weapons.html#

*Turkey's National Intelligence Agency
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 17, 2015, 10:56:24 AM
O, not that MIT
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: EvilLore Killah on January 18, 2015, 05:37:50 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 14, 2015, 09:19:42 AM
Remember how France had a huge rally in defense of free speech just a couple days ago? Well:

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/dieudonne-arrested-paris-attacks-facebook-post
French comedian Dieudonné M’bala M’bala was arrested Wednesday for allegedly expressing sympathy for one of the Paris attack terrorists in a Facebook post, The Guardian reported.

“Tonight, as far as I’m concerned, I feel like Charlie Coulibaly,” the comedian allegedly wrote, as quoted by The Guardian. The post has since been removed, and it combined the slogan “Je suis Charlie" with the name of Amedy Coulibaly, who killed four people in a Paris kosher market.

An anonymous justice source told The Guardian that Dieudonné was arrested for being an "apologist for terrorism.”

Dieudonné — infamous for his "quenelle" gesture that critics say is reminiscent of the Nazi salute — attended the rally for free speech in Paris on Sunday, which he also called “a magical moment comparable to the big bang" in his Facebook post.

The French government had previously banned the comedian's show for anti-Semitism. The U.K. also barred Dieudonné from entering the country last year.

Quote
In a city still shaken after deadly Islamic terror attacks, authorities said 54 people had been detained for defending or glorifying terrorism.

 :snoop

So be a Charlie or be arrested.
Fuck you France!
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 19, 2015, 02:24:54 AM
Greece is about to have an election:
(http://i.imgur.com/SmaHGqG.png)
Quote
SYRIZA 35.5% (Coalition of the Radical Left)
Nea Dimokratia 30.5% (New Democracy)
To Potami 7% (The River)
KKE 7% (Communist Party of Greece)
PASOK 5% (Panhellenic Socialist Movement)
Golden Dawn 6.5%
Independent Greeks 3%
To Kinima 2% (The Movement)
Other party 2%

KAPA Research
Quote
SYRIZA 31.2%
Nea Dimokratia 28.1%
To Potami 5.4%
PASOK 5%
KKE 4.9%
Golden Dawn 4.7%
Independent Greeks 2.7%
To Kinima 2.7%
Other party 3.6%
White/invalid 2.1%
Undecided 9.6%

You need 151 seats for a majority in the Greek parliament.

Communist Party of Greece is Marxist-Leninist. But not to be confused with the Communist Party of Greece (Marxist-Leninist) or Marxist-Leninist Communist Party of Greece. Nor the Anticapitalist Left Cooperation for the Overthrow.

If you're looking for Maoism you want the Organization for the Reconstruction of the Communist Party of Greece.

If you'd like to restore the Monarchy, you want National Hope.

And if you're sane you can be one of the 1% to vote for the only liberal party, Drasi. Just like in America.  :american
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 20, 2015, 02:18:45 PM
I mean jesus fuck.....I wish the middle east would at least join us in thh 18th century.....:ufup
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 20, 2015, 02:22:42 PM
So wait, who is the biggest offender over there now guys?

Gays?
Christians?
Atheists?
Women who dare show their legs in public?


I can't wait until shale oil bankrupts those fucking cunts.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 20, 2015, 02:37:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I92Nx6MxQr0

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/paris-mayor-sue-fox-news
Paris Mayor Anne Hidalgo told CNN anchor Christiane Amanpour on Tuesday that the city plans to sue Fox News for its "prejudiced" coverage of the city.

"When we're insulted, and when we've had an image, then I think we'll have to sue," Hidalgo told Amanpour in the interview. "I think we'll have to go to court, in order to have these words removed."

"The image of Paris has been prejudiced, and the honor of Paris has been prejudiced," she added.

When Amanpour asked for a specific network among the American news outlets, the mayor answered with two words.

"Fox News," she said.

:neogaf
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on January 22, 2015, 05:21:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u7DEFZQe6c
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Yeti on January 22, 2015, 05:50:09 PM
Yemen had a pretty big day today

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_YEMEN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-01-22-12-54-05
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 22, 2015, 06:15:07 PM
They should split it East/West this time, just to be different.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on January 22, 2015, 06:28:59 PM
Looks like Abdullah finally actually died :leon
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on January 22, 2015, 06:32:24 PM
Japan is waiting to hear about the two hostages ISIS has stated they’ll kill unless they’re ransomed for US$200,000,000. That amount was derived by ISIS from the amount of humanitarian aid Japan has pledged.

I’m no fan of Prime Minister Abe, nor his hawkish plans to formalize Japan’s ability to participate in wars in a logistics capacity (Thanks, Bush Jr., for opening that fucking Pandora’s Box), but this is surely ridiculous and unattainable.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: thisismyusername on January 22, 2015, 06:37:12 PM
Quote from: Death Ghidorah on January 22, 2015, 06:34:56 PM
Quote from: Broseidon on January 22, 2015, 06:28:59 PM
Looks like Abdullah finally actually died :leon

Can't wait till the new king dies 2 years from now. Considered the crown prince before him died 2 years ago and all people in line for the throne are in their 70's.

This country is so lucky to have oil, it would have crumbled ages ago.

Please tell some of us non-Arab's more.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 22, 2015, 08:26:16 PM
He's also apparently got Alzheimers.

But he was quite the dapper young fellow:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Salman_bin_Abdullaziz_Al_Saud_in_his_Youth.jpg)
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on January 22, 2015, 09:04:10 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 22, 2015, 08:26:16 PM
He's also apparently got Alzheimers.

But he was quite the dapper young fellow:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Salman_bin_Abdullaziz_Al_Saud_in_his_Youth.jpg)

youngfalconerabdullah.jpg tho
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 23, 2015, 08:21:40 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 22, 2015, 08:26:16 PM
He's also apparently got Alzheimers.

But he was quite the dapper young fellow:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Salman_bin_Abdullaziz_Al_Saud_in_his_Youth.jpg)
That's an "I can't poop on this" face.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on January 23, 2015, 07:51:17 PM
http://time.com/3680492/japan-isis-hostages/

We're past the deadline ISIS gave, and there's no news. The article gives an expert's opinion that PM Abe won't pay the ransom, neither publicly nor behind-the-scenes, and that's my guess as well: if Abe wants to convince Japan that the rest of the world is dangerous, there's no better way than letting a couple Japanese die.

The unsettling part is the interpretation that most domestic Japanese people are unsympathetic to their plight. The Haruna guy seems clearly to have some mental problems, and journalists should be hands-off in general, doubly so if their country isn't involved actively in opposing the government.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 26, 2015, 03:51:25 AM
Greek elections, SYRIZA fell two seats short of majority:
SYRIZA - 36.34% - 149 seats (+78)
New Democracy - 27.81% - 76 seats (-53)
Golden Dawn - 6.28% - 17 seats (-1)
To Potami - 6.04% - 17 seats (+17)
Communists - 5.47% - 15 seats (+3)
Independent Greeks - 4.75% - 13 seats (-7)
PASOK - 4.68% - 13 seats (-20)

Democratic Left fell to 0.49% and lost all 17 seats. To To Potami I assume.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 26, 2015, 04:34:01 AM
Saw that iSideWith added UK and Canada for their 2015 elections:
https://canada.isidewith.com (https://canada.isidewith.com)
Quote
62%    New Democratic
39%    Green
39%    Conservative
30%    Liberal
2%      Bloc Québécois
https://uk.isidewith.com (https://uk.isidewith.com)
Quote
72%     UK Independence
60%    Conservatives
56%    Liberal Democrats
37%    Green
18%    Scottish Nationals
15%    British Nationals
11%    Labour
7%      Plaid Cymru
Though a British news site I took their version on the other day with like ten questions I got equal UKIP/Green/LD, with like 10% Tory, 10% Labour so lol anarchy in the UK!

Also INDIA! http://india.isidewith.com/
Quote
81%   Rahul Gandhi
62%   Narendra Modi

80%  Indian National Congress
69%  Aam Aadmi Party
62%  Bharatiya Janata Party
Guess my guy lost :-\ :( :'( :maf (i have no idea actually)

And Aussies if you like that kind of thing, they aren't going again until 2017:
https://australia.isidewith.com
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on January 26, 2015, 06:02:37 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 26, 2015, 03:51:25 AM
Greek elections, SYRIZA fell two seats short of majority:
SYRIZA - 36.34% - 149 seats (+78)
New Democracy - 27.81% - 76 seats (-53)
Golden Dawn - 6.28% - 17 seats (-1)
To Potami - 6.04% - 17 seats (+17)
Communists - 5.47% - 15 seats (+3)
Independent Greeks - 4.75% - 13 seats (-7)
PASOK - 4.68% - 13 seats (-20)

Democratic Left fell to 0.49% and lost all 17 seats. To To Potami I assume.
Euro in 'freefall'. The sky is falling, the sky is falling! :lol
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 26, 2015, 10:42:37 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 26, 2015, 03:51:25 AM
Communists - 5.47% - 15 seats (+3)

Soon.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 26, 2015, 12:16:12 PM
They got 24% and 60 seats back in 1958 and 8.5% and 26 seats back in 2012.

They've really gone downhill since that whole Civil War thing.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 26, 2015, 03:00:03 PM
Tell us again how Putin is such a badass, American conservatives

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-01-26/russia-credit-rating-cut-to-junk-by-s-p-for-first-time-in-decade.html
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on February 01, 2015, 10:17:37 PM
Quote from: chronovore on January 23, 2015, 07:51:17 PM
http://time.com/3680492/japan-isis-hostages/

We're past the deadline ISIS gave, and there's no news. The article gives an expert's opinion that PM Abe won't pay the ransom, neither publicly nor behind-the-scenes, and that's my guess as well: if Abe wants to convince Japan that the rest of the world is dangerous, there's no better way than letting a couple Japanese die.

The unsettling part is the interpretation that most domestic Japanese people are unsympathetic to their plight. The Haruna guy seems clearly to have some mental problems, and journalists should be hands-off in general, doubly so if their country isn't involved actively in opposing the government.

We’ve lost both hostages to ISIS now. A number of news specials last night aired, covering what kind of beast the ISIS group is.

I’d not known this, but apparently they’re kidnapping children to fight in their ranks now?
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 01, 2015, 10:22:26 PM
Quote from: chronovore on February 01, 2015, 10:17:37 PM
I’d not known this, but apparently they’re kidnapping children to fight in their ranks now?

I saw a report a few weeks ago about a video ISIS released where they showed a kid [maybe about 10-12] shooting two captives in the back of the head. Not sure if he was kidnapped by them or not, but they're not definitely not above drafting children into their ranks and training them to be killers.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on February 01, 2015, 10:37:16 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 26, 2015, 03:51:25 AM
Greek elections, SYRIZA fell two seats short of majority:
SYRIZA - 36.34% - 149 seats (+78)
New Democracy - 27.81% - 76 seats (-53)
Golden Dawn - 6.28% - 17 seats (-1)
To Potami - 6.04% - 17 seats (+17)
Communists - 5.47% - 15 seats (+3)
Independent Greeks - 4.75% - 13 seats (-7)
PASOK - 4.68% - 13 seats (-20)

Democratic Left fell to 0.49% and lost all 17 seats. To To Potami I assume.

I'm really excited to see a big tent leftist party of a nebulous degree of leftism with no practical political governing experience (unlike, say, Die Linke) crash and burn spectacularly when they're handed the keys to the boat with no gas in the middle of the Atlantic commonly referred to as Greece.

Tangent: I had a sensible chuckle when USA Today described SYRIZA as far-left in a headline. At least Der Spiegel is moderately on-point when they write "far-left Left Party" in their articles that are translated into English. (This also makes me sensibly chuckle when I read it.)
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2015, 11:24:06 PM
I was reading or listening to somebody who was just going off their name COALITION OF THE RADICAL LEFT and how it was basically Russia in 1917 all over again. You'd think it wouldn't be so hard these days to at least glance at a Wikipage on a subject before going off on it. They're to the left of say, the French Socialist Party but that's mainly because they're newer to politics and haven't been tempered more through solidification as a party and formalization of that big tent.

Pretty much every news source describes them as "far-left" in a country with a regularly elected and self-proclaimed Marxist-Leninist Party. Who are they? Maximum-left?

Speaking of which :lol:
http://inter.kke.gr/en/articles/SYRIZA-the-left-reserve-force-of-capitalism/

Brietbart facts:
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/01/26/the-end-of-the-center-left-greeces-socialist-party-loses-to-both-hard-left-and-neo-nazis/
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: fizzel on February 02, 2015, 04:39:08 AM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on January 26, 2015, 03:00:03 PM
Tell us again how Putin is such a badass, American conservatives

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-01-26/russia-credit-rating-cut-to-junk-by-s-p-for-first-time-in-decade.html

I'll never understand economics. Russia is junk for investors despite having a seemingly reasonable debt to GDP ratio, has cash reserves, has gold (for those that care about such things) and does have resources that the world jealously covets.

Yet Britain is AAA, despite everything i see in this country is screaming the opposite to me. 
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on February 02, 2015, 10:24:54 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 01, 2015, 11:24:06 PM
Pretty much every news source describes them as "far-left" in a country with a regularly elected and self-proclaimed Marxist-Leninist Party. Who are they? Maximum-left?
Syriza is the left that got elected, so obviously the most heinous kind of left.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on February 03, 2015, 01:12:31 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 01, 2015, 11:24:06 PM
I was reading or listening to somebody who was just going off their name COALITION OF THE RADICAL LEFT and how it was basically Russia in 1917 all over again. You'd think it wouldn't be so hard these days to at least glance at a Wikipage on a subject before going off on it. They're to the left of say, the French Socialist Party but that's mainly because they're newer to politics and haven't been tempered more through solidification as a party and formalization of that big tent.

Pretty much every news source describes them as "far-left" in a country with a regularly elected and self-proclaimed Marxist-Leninist Party. Who are they? Maximum-left?

They're TRUE LEFT. It's like TRUE NEUTRAL in D&D except you have to leave the house to pretend to be something you're not.

Tangent: One of the parties in SYRIZA is a successor to KKE Interior, but I'm absolutely certain 0.00% of the staff at USA Today are that familiar with the family trees of Hellenic communist parties. Hell, I bet no one there can even appreciate a good joke about British Trot parties.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 05, 2015, 09:47:01 AM
Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/world-news/action-movies-stopped-paris-terrorism
Fearing that actors could be mistaken for police — and chase scenes confused for the real thing — Paris is sharply restricting filming of action movies in the city that been the stage for some of film's most memorable high-octane sequences.

Filming outside scenes with police, army or security services was quietly banned after the attacks in the French capital that left 20 dead, including three gunmen.

"There's a problem with these action-type scenes, as the actors in uniform could be targets for terrorists. Also, the actors could pose confusion for the general public — during this highly sensitive period," Sylvie Barnaud, the police official who grants outside filming permission in Paris, told The Associated Press.

:beli
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on February 05, 2015, 11:19:50 AM
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/01/alexis-tsipras-interview-syriza/
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 06, 2015, 10:55:24 PM
Quote from: Esch on February 06, 2015, 10:49:29 PM
king rambo abdullah of jordan :neogaf

(http://i.imgur.com/MvnuUDw.jpg)
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 06, 2015, 11:09:26 PM
lol at the scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=torjsONjtR4
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 09, 2015, 01:11:58 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/08/americas/brazil-prison-break-seduction/index.html


:beli
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 09, 2015, 01:22:16 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 09, 2015, 01:11:58 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/08/americas/brazil-prison-break-seduction/index.html


:beli

 :dead
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 09, 2015, 02:08:47 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on February 09, 2015, 01:22:16 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 09, 2015, 01:11:58 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/08/americas/brazil-prison-break-seduction/index.html


:beli

 :dead

yeah no shit, did they not watch any american TV circa the 80's or what man?
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on February 12, 2015, 06:43:21 PM
Quote
[Giannis] Varoufakis went on to say that Germans and Greeks are linked by their experiences of suffering. Just like the Germans, who were yoked with the burdensome Versailles Treaty after losing World War I, his country too has been humiliated by agreements forced onto it from the outside. Both countries, he said, suffered from deflation and economic depression, the Germans in the 1930s and the Greeks today. "The Germans understand best how the Greeks are doing," Varoufakis said.

:dead
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 12, 2015, 07:34:02 PM
 :comeon
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on February 12, 2015, 07:54:03 PM
I'd make a post about how he's unintentionally true (to a point), but it would involve citing Imperial German tax policy and other arcane lore only benji would probably know.

Golden Dawn and the death of PASOK is kinda like a Weimar election too.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on February 13, 2015, 10:16:16 PM
The Economist (yeah, I know...) put up a :hans1 piece today about Putin's fifth column in Europe and it described SYRIZA as "radical far-left"... does this mean that they accept that there isn't a radical far-left as well, or is it just doubling down?

The piece is hilarious, btw, they basically cop to the fact that aside from the Front National the rest of their speculation is fanfiction.

I especially liked how Putin also apparently has XA in his pocket too. Dude is playing Go or something. :dead
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 14, 2015, 02:29:40 AM
It really shows the hilarious state of foreign policy/study/etc. that Putin making two or three relatively minor moves in the style of most of human history has completely upset the balance and sent the foreign policy world into crisis.

Yet, the U.S., NATO and the U.N. overthrowing (or assisting in the change of) regimes and involving itself in outside elections continuously since the Wall came down didn't even really make a blip on their radar.

It's similar to the obsessiveness over North Korea, a non-threat of a state that exists almost purely because China doesn't want the refugee swarm that would follow its collapse.

I think there's a longing for the old days of The Great Game lurking somewhere in there. When diplomats mattered and so on.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on February 14, 2015, 10:13:57 PM
This conversation went all wrong because now I'm going to drop a maxim you should be the one saying: when states lose reasons for their existence, they're left with no recourse but to extend the parameters of that existence.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 15, 2015, 12:12:09 AM
Quote from: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/02/shooting-targets-synagogue-denmark-capital-150215003951195.html
Police in Denmark say one man has been killed and two police officers wounded in an attack on a Jewish synagogue in central Copenhagen, just hours after a deadly shooting at a free speech event in the capital.

Danish police said early on Sunday they were treating the two incidents as "terror" attacks, but said they could not confirm if they were linked.

 :-\
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on February 15, 2015, 12:33:35 AM
Sigh. Wonder if they, too were on a watchlist already.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on February 15, 2015, 12:50:32 AM
Unsub looks pretty goy in CCTV pics. Can't wait for another cac terrorist in Scandinavia getting low coverage a la Breivik or that dipshit in North Carolina.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 15, 2015, 03:13:12 AM
Im supposed to attend a high risk black tie event next week, this might be reason to cancel
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 15, 2015, 10:00:17 AM
Quote from: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/02/netanyahu-european-jews-immigrate-israel-150215105904162.html
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has called for "massive immigration" of European Jews to Israel following the shooting attack outside a Copenhagen synagogue that killed a Danish Jew.

Netanyahu said the government on Sunday will discuss a $46M plan to encourage Jewish immigration from France, Belgium and Ukraine.

"This wave of attacks is expected to continue," Netanyahu said at the start of a cabinet meeting. "Jews deserve security in every country, but we say to our Jewish brothers and sisters, Israel is your home."

:beli
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on February 15, 2015, 11:14:49 AM
I think the technical term is Aliyah, Bibi.

Either that or colonization. :trollbron
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on February 15, 2015, 02:09:40 PM
Lo and behold.
Quote
The gunman shot dead by police after a double terror attack on a cafe and a synagogue in Copenhagen that claimed two lives was known to Danish intelligence, the head of the country’s security service has said.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/14/copenhagen-cartoonist-charlie-hebdo-style-attack

Maybe he would have stuck out if the various lists were twice as long.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on February 15, 2015, 07:01:16 PM
Der Spiegel interviewed SYRIZA's finance minister.

http://m.spiegel.de/international/europe/a-1015956.html

Minister is so radical that I no longer have to mourn the death of my favorite Hoxhaist newspaper. :rock
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on February 15, 2015, 10:37:30 PM
Panos Kammenos, a right-wing politician who is the new defense minister, made headlines when he recently claimed that Jews in Greece pay no taxes.

:hitler
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on February 18, 2015, 04:18:52 PM
Scuttlebutt is that Greece is going to ask for a stay of execution of around 6 months.

SYRZIA :heh
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on February 19, 2015, 12:46:49 PM
Germany already rejected it. :dead

Also Bibi is in a spending scandal. Elect crooks after you know they're crooks y'all. :heh
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on February 19, 2015, 02:23:36 PM
Quote from: Vularai on February 19, 2015, 12:46:49 PM
Germany already rejected it. :dead
Hearing Schäuble talk about this whole thing has become really, really annoying. I'm beginning to hate his accent.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on February 23, 2015, 11:08:58 AM
http://www.ibtimes.com/isis-beheading-video-21-egyptian-christians-fake-film-experts-argue-yes-1824034

 :ohhh
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Fifstar on February 23, 2015, 11:35:42 AM
Quote from: Rufus on February 19, 2015, 02:23:36 PM
Quote from: Vularai on February 19, 2015, 12:46:49 PM
Germany already rejected it. :dead
Hearing Schäuble talk about this whole thing has become really, really annoying. I'm beginning to hate his accent.

Combination of swabian accent and altklug talk = the worst (and I'm from the Bodensee region)
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on February 23, 2015, 03:46:31 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/23/leaked-spy-cables-netanyahu-iran-bomb-mossad
Quote
Brandishing a cartoon of a bomb with a red line to illustrate his point, the Israeli prime minister warned the UN in New York that Iran would be able to build nuclear weapons the following year and called for action to halt the process.

But in a secret report shared with South Africa a few weeks later, Israel’s intelligence agency concluded that Iran was “not performing the activity necessary to produce weapons”. The report highlights the gulf between the public claims and rhetoric of top Israeli politicians and the assessments of Israel’s military and intelligence establishment.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 23, 2015, 04:14:47 PM
So basically Israel is like any other modern democracy. 
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on February 23, 2015, 05:04:15 PM
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/02/eurogroup-jeroen-dijsellbloem-dutch-finance/

Quote
The promise of the Syriza government represents everything that postwar social democracy no longer is, and cannot return to. Underlying Dijsselbloem’s career is the perspective that at best, contemporary progressive politics can only be a variant of conservative politics with slightly more scruples.

As long as he remains defiant, and despite the limitations of his government’s agenda, Varoufakis represents an alternative to this position. The European right will detest this with unvarnished brutality. But it is mainstream social democracy that will feel the electoral repercussions most directly, and therefore is most bitter in its response.

For Dijsselbloem, extinguishing Syriza’s promise is imperative. It is a precondition for restoring the stability of the EU that he, his party, and economic elites so desire. But it is as necessary for the continuation of the dreamless, managerial, suit-and-tie progressivism from which he has never strayed.

:whew dis like that was worth wading through Jacobin SYRIZA porn.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on February 24, 2015, 07:00:02 PM
Cheez, when did The Morning Star adopt the slogan "The People's Daily"? :dead
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 26, 2015, 11:30:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exKGHEjl-dE

These ISIS guys, man. I can't even. :goty
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 26, 2015, 11:40:51 PM
I'm for sex slaves but these guys lost me at statue vandalism. 

Also is France still underfire or can we update the title?  I only get my news for this threads title. 
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 26, 2015, 11:47:00 PM
I feel like the thread title needs some kind of reference to Israeli politics.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 26, 2015, 11:47:58 PM
Why, what's going on in Israeli? 
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 26, 2015, 11:50:20 PM
Netanyahu is in a tough reelection and the Speak of the US House went behind Obama's back to invite him to speak to Congress about Iran's nuclear program, effectively undercutting US negotiations with Iran over ending its nuclear program.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on February 27, 2015, 12:08:45 AM
person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation Union is a house of cards. More Likud, more bullshit in the near future.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 27, 2015, 04:41:31 AM
Typical, we're talking about the Jews when Lesotho is holding an election on Saturday.

I know what you're thinking that Tom Thabane and the All Basotho Convention has this one all but wrapped up, but I say we can't sleep on Mothetjoa Metsings' Lesotho Congress for Democracy. He's got more army support compared to Thabane who needed South African and Nambibian support. I think an outside party that could make some noise is the Marematlou Freedom Party, their name being literally Elephant Choppers Freedom Party. That's going to be tough to compete with.

One big question is whether Pakalitha Mosisili's Democratic Congress will do as well in 2012, I just think people are tired of him after his 14 years in power from 1998-2012. They want a fresh face. Despite Thabane being 75, you have to wonder if he is that face. I think if anyone is Lesotho's Barack Obama it's more like King Letsie III. I've long wondered if he'll ditch the ceremonial monarchy to utilize his Cambridge education in making a bid for elected office.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on February 27, 2015, 07:41:15 AM
I've already posted it in the Outside Link thread, but what the hell:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afl9WFGJE0M
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on February 27, 2015, 01:13:31 PM
Sure am looking forward to hearing the utterly banal "Jihadi John" for the next X weeks.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 27, 2015, 01:16:15 PM
Ya I find it disgusting that in this day and age bad guys don't even take the time to pick out a cool name like Hitler or Stalin.  If you're going to make the news, at least do it right. 
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on February 27, 2015, 01:24:37 PM
Stalin even had to refresh his personal brand a few times to keep up with things. When the times demanded intellectual revolutionaries, he was Koba, when they demanded an unshakable rock upon which to build the one true science of Marxism-Leninism, he became Stalin.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 27, 2015, 02:01:17 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on February 27, 2015, 01:16:15 PM
Ya I find it disgusting that in this day and age bad guys don't even take the time to pick out a cool name like Hitler or Stalin.  If you're going to make the news, at least do it right. 

Gay Stalin might work.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on March 01, 2015, 12:29:24 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on February 27, 2015, 02:01:17 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on February 27, 2015, 01:16:15 PM
Ya I find it disgusting that in this day and age bad guys don't even take the time to pick out a cool name like Hitler or Stalin.  If you're going to make the news, at least do it right. 

Gay Stalin might work.

Gay Stallin’ neatly describes PD’s modus operandi.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on March 01, 2015, 02:22:07 PM
I can't believe this was Red Ed's dad.

http://monthlyreview.org/2015/01/01/voices-of-socialism-karl-marx/
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on March 03, 2015, 03:21:13 PM
http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-election-2015/1.644600

:dead :dead :dead :dead :dead
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 03, 2015, 03:25:52 PM
Quote from: Vularai on March 03, 2015, 03:21:13 PM
http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-election-2015/1.644600

:dead :dead :dead :dead :dead

Potheads for Peace sounds like a solid political strategy  :yeshrug

If I knew what a kibitz was I'd vote for them.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 03, 2015, 03:32:38 PM
I'm leaning towards the Get Us The Fuck Out of Here Party. Though the Third Temple Now Party have some interesting ideas.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 03, 2015, 03:34:27 PM
You know, all joking aside, I have a ton of respect for anybody who lives in Haifa or anywhere near the border. Takes a lot of gumption.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on March 03, 2015, 03:52:39 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 03, 2015, 03:32:38 PM
I'm leaning towards the Get Us The Fuck Out of Here Party. Though the Third Temple Now Party have some interesting ideas.

This a funny post if you've read The Yiddish Policemen's Union.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Steve Contra on March 03, 2015, 04:37:24 PM
http://www.clickhole.com/blogpost/you-cant-spell-israel-without-liars-commentary-548 (http://www.clickhole.com/blogpost/you-cant-spell-israel-without-liars-commentary-548)
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 03, 2015, 04:46:31 PM
 :ohhh

 :israelcry
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 03, 2015, 04:47:40 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=154454479&postcount=1307
Quote from: p3tran;154454479
...and the first bomb (of stupid?) appears to just have been dropped!

(http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Bullet_74140b_1962450.gif)

supposedly a few hours ago a country-wide government order was issued, asking for all illegal immigrants to be immediately released (!!), countrywide. even at the borders.
even more unbelievable than this, is a statement that just started to circulate the internet, supposedly signed by the president of the "Panhellenic Federation Border Guards", saying that he got instructions that "even in the case that they discover by accident people trying to illegally enter the country", they are not to be detained. only their details to be written down (wtf?) and immediately given a travel warrant good for six months, and let them go wherever they want.
oh, and all the detention centers for illegal immigrants, they are to be shut down country-wide too.
 
now, I dont know if this is to happen starting tomorrow morning as it is suggested, I am not even sure in the 100% validity of this claim at all, but as I said local internet has just picked it up, and on one mainstream tv news prog. it was just mentioned near the very end of the bulletin. so right now it looks it has a ..good(?) chance it is legit.


this is the news site that claims that they spoke with the president of border guards that he confirmed it:
http://www.lifo.gr/now/greece/61881 (http://www.lifo.gr/now/greece/61881)
(poor google translation: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=el&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lifo.gr%2Fnow%2Fgreece%2F61881&edit-text=&act=url (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=el&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lifo.gr%2Fnow%2Fgreece%2F61881&edit-text=&act=url))


if true... the consequences for this....
anybody just crosses the border and is legit. we write down whatever the hell they tell us to write, and we issue travel papers based on this info. then we let go. wtf?
a) the role of the embassies we have all over the word is zeroed immediately. why bother when you can just ..walk in? the loss of control (very far from perfect or even good control there was) is unfathomable.
b) the medical horror.... anybody just walks in, might as well have whatever illness or widespread disease, epidemic, the whole book.  document says nothing about medical exams - a thing which would be practically 100% impossible anyway.
c) the center of Athens... that poor city... I cant even imagine how the places of central athens that are already packed to the brim with legal/illegal immigrants will even look after six months of said order. 
then of course, I wont even think about the potential increase in (already huge) criminality, or cases of malicious people trying to find a way to enter Greece/Europe. etc.

if this is true, we practically just invited all the scum/wanted/criminal on the run/criminal for career/etc for a free fucking meal, and all-inclusive too.

----
and by the time I was typing the above, I already found the official site for the panhellenic border guard, and apparently the story the news site above runs, its verified here:
http://www.posyfy.gr/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=463:2015-03-03-18-03-00&catid=100:2011-10-26-07-21-01 (http://www.posyfy.gr/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=463:2015-03-03-18-03-00&catid=100:2011-10-26-07-21-01)
googletrans: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=el&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.posyfy.gr%2Findex.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26view%3Darticle%26id%3D463%3A2015-03-03-18-03-00%26catid%3D100%3A2011-10-26-07-21-01&edit-text= (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=el&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.posyfy.gr%2Findex.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26view%3Darticle%26id%3D463%3A2015-03-03-18-03-00%26catid%3D100%3A2011-10-26-07-21-01&edit-text=)
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on March 03, 2015, 05:30:24 PM
He edited already:
Quote
*edit:
seems debunked by announcement of ..."Deputy Minister of Citizen Protection" on mainstream media 10 mins ago:
http://news.in.gr/greece/article/?aid=1231389857
(google trans) https://translate.google.com/transla...857&edit-text=

well, reading carefully, he doesnt say that this order was not issued, or that the Panhellenic captain of border guard is lying, he basically claims that neither him, nor the interior affairs minister, nor the other deputy minister have issued it.
he doesnt say this order does not exist. very strangely, he offers as an excuse that "...I might think some Brigadier may have issued this order, as the 'judges' (the part where the political power decides who rises and who leaves from the army higher-ups) are not started yet" (suggesting said brigadiers have become ..impatient?? and may issue such orders? does not compute too well)
anyway, more on this when there are.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2015, 03:17:23 AM
Someone just sent me this:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/22/can-a-parallel-digital-currency-solve-the-greek-financial-crisis
Quote
Soon – if the Greek crisis is not resolved – one of the most audacious pieces of lateral thinking ever could get a try-out: a parallel digital currency, issued by the Greek government, modelled on Bitcoin, but with a crucial difference.

In orthodox economics, money barely figures. It’s just there, acting as a lubricant to supply and demand. The assumption is: markets create money, and the state’s role is to make sure it’s not fake or diluted.

Bitcoin is an audacious attempt to create money beyond the control of any state. It is a digital currency, in the form of a limited number of tokens. It is championed by people who would, if they could, return to a gold standard – where states are obliged to limit the amount of money in the economy. What these money fundamentalists worry about is states creating so much money that booms and busts become inevitable and inflation erodes wealth. In this sense, Bitcoin’s aim is to function as “digital gold”.

If things go badly for Greece, finance minister Yanis Varoufakis has said he would consider creating a parallel digital currency, using Bitcoin’s digital security and transparency, but doing the exact opposite of what the money fundamentalists intend.
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Varoufakis outlined, in a detailed blog post 12 months ago, how a Bitcoin-like virtual currency could be used to get around the ECB’s refusal to boost demand through quantitative easing. Just like Bitcoin, it would be exchangeable one for one with euros. But it would be issued by the state – and if you were prepared to hold it for two years, you would earn a profit paid for by taxes. For this reason, Varoufakis called it “future-tax coin”.

If the Greek government issued a parallel digital currency, and forced banks and businesses to use it, this would boost the money supply in defiance of the policy of the European Central Bank, said Varoufakis. In addition, he predicted, the currency would provide “a source of liquidity for the governments that is outside the bond markets, which does not involve the banks and which lies outside any of the restrictions imposed by Brussels or the various troikas”.

It would create an extra call on the nation’s tax revenues, so would have to be capped. If you issued future-tax coins worth 10% of GDP, in two years’ time, you would lose a sizeable chunk of your tax bill, warned Varoufakis.

So another way of thinking about a parallel second currency is: it’s a way of borrowing from tax receipts tomorrow to fund a monetary stimulus today. Which, if you reduce it even further, is like getting a fiscal stimulus for free. If used in crisis mode, it would also allow Greece to survive, for a time, its banks being sunk by the withdrawal of ECB emergency aid.

If a parallel currency ever happens (I am writing this on Friday: anything could happen by Monday), it will dramatise one of the key arguments of anti-establishment economists like Varoufakis: that states – not markets – create money.

Money only has value, say these economists, because states decree it. Furthermore, the state is not just standing above the market, regulating the currency: the act of taxing and spending is what creates money, not the act of buying and selling in a marketplace. It’s called “modern monetary theory”, but it’s no mere theory.

If it is right, the obvious practical conclusion is that a state with its own currency is always solvent. It can always create more money and pay people in that money. Therefore, it can always run a deficit – always use state spending to suppress unemployment. The only condition is that people must believe the state will exist in future.

And this is where it gets dicey for both the eurozone and Greece. If the Germans kick Greece out of the euro, that raises a big question mark over whether the euro quasi-state will permanently stand behind the currency as designed. The euro might come under speculative attack, as investors seek to pick off the next Greece, and place bets on the value of any new currencies that might emerge.

But the risks are even higher for Greece, should it start issuing a parallel, digital euro. Because Varoufakis’s digital currency is only redeemable against future tax revenues, you would have to believe the Greek state could not collapse.

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Jabawocky 22 Feb 2015 15:37

I don't think modern monetary theory is a theory, it is merely logic finally applied to economics where it previously has been woefully lacking. Economics should really be a branch of accountancy, where it belongs.
The idea that philosophy has a role in any theory of money is a damming indictment of an entire discipline. Money is a human creation and this is understandable by humans without philosophy. The real question is who creates and delivers the mystery and why. The greatest battle in history is who gets to create money and for what end it is then used. Until electorates get this the 1% will keep this to themselves and prevail.

All that said, you have been perhaps the only mainstream commentator with anything like an objective view on the Greek crisis, a fact which deserves high levels of commendation. please keep up the good work.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on March 04, 2015, 03:36:23 AM
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Syriza :lol

Related: http://m.spiegel.de/international/europe/a-846788.html
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2015, 03:57:06 AM
Ooh will this be a dark and gritty reboot of the economy or a hopeful and almost comedic reboot?

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Following a "technical moment of insolvency," her plan calls for the state to inject fresh capital into the banks so that they can continue serving those sectors that are required for the economy to function.
Now when you say a "technical moment" of insolvency should I have the gun loaded or already in my mouth?

Am I reading this wrong or does this woman not understand what sovereign bonds are and why they might be in a bank instead of "held by the governments"? (SAD*)

*Standard Anarchist Disclaimer has a great acronym much better than SLD.
Title: Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
Post by: fizzel on March 04, 2015, 07:56:35 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 03, 2015, 04:47:40 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=154454479&postcount=1307
Quote from: p3tran;154454479
...and the first bomb (of stupid?) appears to just have been dropped!

(http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Bullet_74140b_1962450.gif)

supposedly a few hours ago a country-wide government order was issued, asking for all illegal immigrants to be immediately released (!!), countrywide. even at the borders.
even more unbelievable than this, is a statement that just started to circulate the internet, supposedly signed by the president of the "Panhellenic Federation Border Guards", saying that he got instructions that "even in the case that they discover by accident people trying to illegally enter the country", they are not to be detained. only their details to be written down (wtf?) and immediately given a travel warrant good for six months, and let them go wherever they want.
oh, and all the detention centers for illegal immigrants, they are to be shut down country-wide too.
 
now, I dont know if this is to happen starting tomorrow morning as it is suggested, I am not even sure in the 100% validity of this claim at all, but as I said local internet has just picked it up, and on one mainstream tv news prog. it was just mentioned near the very end of the bulletin. so right now it looks it has a ..good(?) chance it is legit.


this is the news site that claims that they spoke with the president of border guards that he confirmed it:
http://www.lifo.gr/now/greece/61881 (http://www.lifo.gr/now/greece/61881)
(poor google translation: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=el&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lifo.gr%2Fnow%2Fgreece%2F61881&edit-text=&act=url (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=el&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lifo.gr%2Fnow%2Fgreece%2F61881&edit-text=&act=url))


if true... the consequences for this....
anybody just crosses the border and is legit. we write down whatever the hell they tell us to write, and we issue travel papers based on this info. then we let go. wtf?
a) the role of the embassies we have all over the word is zeroed immediately. why bother when you can just ..walk in? the loss of control (very far from perfect or even good control there was) is unfathomable.
b) the medical horror.... anybody just walks in, might as well have whatever illness or widespread disease, epidemic, the whole book.  document says nothing about medical exams - a thing which would be practically 100% impossible anyway.
c) the center of Athens... that poor city... I cant even imagine how the places of central athens that are already packed to the brim with legal/illegal immigrants will even look after six months of said order. 
then of course, I wont even think about the potential increase in (already huge) criminality, or cases of malicious people trying to find a way to enter Greece/Europe. etc.

if this is true, we practically just invited all the scum/wanted/criminal on the run/criminal for career/etc for a free fucking meal, and all-inclusive too.

----
and by the time I was typing the above, I already found the official site for the panhellenic border guard, and apparently the story the news site above runs, its verified here:
http://www.posyfy.gr/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=463:2015-03-03-18-03-00&catid=100:2011-10-26-07-21-01 (http://www.posyfy.gr/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=463:2015-03-03-18-03-00&catid=100:2011-10-26-07-21-01)
googletrans: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=el&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.posyfy.gr%2Findex.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26view%3Darticle%26id%3D463%3A2015-03-03-18-03-00%26catid%3D100%3A2011-10-26-07-21-01&edit-text= (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=el&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.posyfy.gr%2Findex.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26view%3Darticle%26id%3D463%3A2015-03-03-18-03-00%26catid%3D100%3A2011-10-26-07-21-01&edit-text=)

The Greeks have always had a political equivelent of Little Boy and Fat Man dangling over the rest of Europe with their asylum seeker camps.
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on March 05, 2015, 06:50:01 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/05/us-ambassador-to-south-korea-mark-lippert-injured-in-attack

Dude was scheduled to give a lecture, gets slashed by a national unification extremist wielding a 10-inch knife. Security footage shows the hotel didn’t even have security guards on the entrance -- not that they’d have searched everyone going in the hotel, but the attacker has a record of public attacks on officials. C’mon.
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 06, 2015, 12:12:52 PM
Quote from: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/03/isil-fighters-bulldoze-ancient-assyrian-palace-iraq-150305195222805.html
Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) fighters have used a bulldozer to start destroying a 3,000-year-old Assyrian city near Mosul in Iraq, archaeologists and other sources have told Al Jazeera.

The demolition at Nimrud on Thursday comes less than a week after video was released showing ISIL fighters destroying ancient artefacts in a Mosul museum.

"They came at midday with a bulldozer and started destroying the palace," said an Iraqi official in touch with antiquities staff in Mosul.

She said the winged-bull statues known as lamassu at the gates of the palace of Ashurnasirpal II had been smashed. It was not clear what else had been destroyed on the site, about 20km southeast of Mosul.

In last week's ISIL video , fighters were shown using power drills and sledgehammers to try to destroy similar statues at the ancient site of Nineveh, within Mosul.
The mutli-tonne figures were placed at the palaces' gates as protective spirits.

One source told Al Jazeera the fighters warned Mosul residents last week that they would move on to Nimrud next. Hatra, a World Heritage Site, is also believed to be in danger.

Stories like this just break my heart, man. I know I shouldn't be more upset over this than stories of actual human beings being slaughtered, but...the idea that these incredible statues and buildings have stood for thousands of years against the ravages of time, countless wars, and the rise and fall of empires only to be reduced to rubble in a matter of hours by a bunch of ignorant thugs with sledgehammers and bulldozers is just so sickening.
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on March 06, 2015, 01:27:03 PM
I dunno. Iraq has it's own army. If it isn't going to protect things they must not be that important.
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on March 06, 2015, 03:12:18 PM
They're not gonna burn personell for historic artefacts. Can't blame 'em, either. :/
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on March 06, 2015, 08:24:55 PM
http://www.icij.org/project/swiss-leaks/real-housewives-hsbc

Really sucks that the Man is going to shit up all the fun here.
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 07, 2015, 06:52:35 PM
Quote from: Vularai on March 06, 2015, 08:24:55 PM
http://www.icij.org/project/swiss-leaks/real-housewives-hsbc

Really sucks that the Man is going to shit up all the fun here.

BRB, switching occupation to "Pool Boy".
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on March 10, 2015, 12:06:42 AM
 :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Sorry for being lttp on this, but I was reading an article about Greece and I saw a photo of the current finance minister and realized he was VALVE'S INHOUSE ECONOMIST for awhile. :lol :lol :lol

Maybe they can sell TF2 hats. :rofl
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 10, 2015, 08:13:53 PM
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/spiegel-interview-with-greek-prime-minister-tsipras-a-1022156.html
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Spiegel: But we’re still a bit confused. Does Greece want and need a third bailout package in June when you run out of money?

Tsipras: I wouldn’t call it a bailout.

Spiegel: What would you call it instead?

Tsipras: I would say that Greece has financing needs. We have massively consolidated our budget in recent years and now have primary surpluses instead of deficits. But we still can’t borrow money ourselves on the capital markets. To do so, we have to win back trust, become competitive and return to growth. Until that time, though, we have to finance ourselves in another way.

Spiegel: Which means, you need money from the Europeans.

Tsipras: Look, it’s not about philanthropy for Greece. It’s about joint responsibility and European solidarity. If Greece can’t service its debt, that also has an effect on our partners. As such, a safety net for Greece is necessary and we also have to return to the capital markets as rapidly as possible. But that can’t be combined with a program that has led to a situation of social distress; we need one that brings growth.
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on March 10, 2015, 10:44:10 PM
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SPIEGEL: Mr. Prime Minister, most of your European partners are indignant. They accuse you of saying one thing in Brussels and then saying something completely different back home in Athens. Do you understand where such accusations come from?

Tsipras: We say the same things in Germany as we do in Greece. But sometimes, problems can be viewed differently, depending on the perspective. (He points to his water glass.) This glass here can be described as being half full or half empty. The reality is that it is a glass filled half-way with water

 :ohhh :ohhh :ohhh :ohhh :ohhh
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 10, 2015, 11:03:06 PM
I say potayto, you say we broke as fuck.
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on March 10, 2015, 11:40:49 PM
I like how they're going to give benefits by mobile. It's very Estonia (e-Stonia?) meets Old Labour.

When can we get this for our Obama phones? >:(
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: Yeti on March 11, 2015, 12:19:41 AM
Quote from: Vularai on March 10, 2015, 10:44:10 PM
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SPIEGEL: Mr. Prime Minister, most of your European partners are indignant. They accuse you of saying one thing in Brussels and then saying something completely different back home in Athens. Do you understand where such accusations come from?

Tsipras: We say the same things in Germany as we do in Greece. But sometimes, problems can be viewed differently, depending on the perspective. (He points to his water glass.) This glass here can be described as being half full or half empty. The reality is that it is a glass filled half-way with water

 :ohhh :ohhh :ohhh :ohhh :ohhh

I disagree, I think the reality it that the glass is emptied halfway of water.
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: injurai on March 15, 2015, 02:44:19 PM
Quote from: Esch on March 15, 2015, 02:41:42 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/15/vladimir-putins-mystery-disappearance-seems-to-have-been-flu


:hans1 


Real theory. Putin is being turned into a secret nazi robot :smug


spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/RP6FOwXIKpE/maxresdefault.jpg)
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more like commi cyborg

(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/archer/images/a/a4/BarryCyborg.png/revision/latest?cb=20110422175443)
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: Nibel on March 15, 2015, 02:58:03 PM
Putin is lurking KTT, waiting for the Kendrick and Kanye leaks
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2015, 07:50:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkZr21WFEP8
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 16, 2015, 08:13:45 PM
Okay, I will!
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: kingkitty on March 16, 2015, 08:36:11 PM
Fun Fact: Chuck Norris has done three films in Israel. His favorite was Delta Force.
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2015, 08:53:00 PM
I wonder does that mean his favorite to shoot in Israel or his favorite in terms of the end product? I'm starting to rethink my vote for Bibi.
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on March 16, 2015, 11:40:10 PM
Can't wait for my aliyah so I can be even more embarrassed of my country / government than I already am. :rejoice
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 18, 2015, 02:23:40 AM
Code: [Select]
Likud     23.26
person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation Union     18.74
Joint List     12.08
Yesh Atid     8.78
Kulanu     7.41
The Jewish Home     6.40
Shas     5.80
Yisrael Beiteinu     5.17
United Torah Judaism     5.16
Meretz     3.89
Yachad     2.98
Ale Yarok     0.97
Arab List     0.10
The Greens     0.08
We are all friends     0.06
U'Bizchutan     0.05
Economy Party     0.04
Hope for Change     0.03
Flower Party     0.02
Pirate Party of Israel     0.02
Brit Olam     0.02
Living with Dignity     0.01
Or     0.01
Democratura     0.01
Moreshet Avot     0.01
Atid Ehad     0.00
Nooooo the Flower Party  :( :( :(
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 18, 2015, 02:39:12 AM
We are all friends
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on March 18, 2015, 02:59:31 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 18, 2015, 02:39:12 AM
We are all friends

https://youtu.be/6hfMAxz_l18
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on March 18, 2015, 03:03:47 AM
Decent showing for Joint List. Wonder if it'll put pressure on the special interest parties like Shas to merge; that is the way of Israeli politics after all.

person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation Union :heh
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 26, 2015, 10:58:53 PM
Obama revenge for Netanyahu's Congress talk? 1987 report on Israel's top secret nuclear program released in unprecedented move. (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/193175#.VRTGVu7F-PU)
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on March 26, 2015, 11:03:47 PM
Arutz Sheva link. :beli
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 26, 2015, 11:23:33 PM
Quote from: Vularai on March 26, 2015, 11:03:47 PM
Arutz Sheva link. :beli
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"the only independent national radio station in Israel" and a counterbalance to " 'negative thinking' and 'post-person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation' attitudes."
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 26, 2015, 11:45:15 PM
"Here’s an exchange that took place yesterday afternoon between Josh Earnest, the White House press secretary, and Jonathan Karl, ABC News’s White House correspondent:"
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Karl: Josh, just a quick one first on Yemen. I know you’re asked this every time something terrible happens in Yemen. But now that we have essentially complete chaos in Yemen, does the White House still believe that Yemen is the model for a counterterrorism strategy?

Earnest: Jon, the White House does continue to believe that a successful counterterrorism strategy is one that will build up the capacity of the central government to have local fighters on the ground to take the fight to extremists in their own country, and the United States can serve both to diplomatically offer up some political support to central governments. We can offer very tangible support to local security forces in the form of training and equipping, and we can also support the operations of those security forces through whether it’s the deployment of ISR [intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance] capability, or even in the case of Iraq, military airstrikes.

And that is a template that has succeeded in mitigating the threat that we face from extremists in places like Yemen and Somalia, and is a template that we believe can succeed in mitigating the threat emanating from Syria as well.

Karl: I mean, that’s astounding. You’re saying that you still see Yemen as the model? That building up the central government, which has now collapsed; a president who’s apparently fled the country; Saudi troops amassing on one border; the Iranians supporting the rebels—you consider this is a model for counterterrorism?

Earnest: Again, Jon, what the United States considers to be our strategy when confronting the effort to try to mitigate the threat that is posed by extremists is to prevent them from establishing a safe haven. And certainly, in a chaotic, dangerous situation like in Yemen, what the United States will do and has done is worked to try to support the central government, to build up the capacity of local fighters, and use our own technological and military capabilities to apply pressure on the extremists there.

Look, there’s no doubt that we would like to see a functioning central government in Yemen; we don’t see that right now. And that is why we’re supportive of the U.N.-led process to try to put an end to the violence and instability, to bring all sides together to the table to try to resolve their differences; to build up the capacity of the central government; to build up the capacity of local forces and to continue to apply pressure to extremists.

What I will say is that we have not seen that kind of progress in terms of strengthening the central government. I think you could make a pretty strong case that we’ve seen the opposite of that. But we do continue to enjoy the benefits of a sustained counterterrorism security relationship with the security infrastructure that remains in Yemen.

Karl: Do you think the security infrastructure still remains in Yemen?

Earnest: There are elements of the Yemeni government that we continue to be in touch with that continue to further our efforts to apply pressure to extremists that seek to operate in that country. And we continue to have the capability—again, because of the planning and because of the relationships that we have in the region, we do continue to have the capability to take out extremists if they’re posing a threat to the United States.
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on March 27, 2015, 12:36:20 AM
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Again, Jon, what the United States considers to be our strategy when confronting the effort to try to mitigate the threat that is posed by extremists is to prevent them from establishing a safe haven. And certainly, in a chaotic, dangerous situation like in Yemen, what the United States will do and has done is worked to try to support the central government, to build up the capacity of local fighters, and use our own technological and military capabilities to apply pressure on the extremists there.

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Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on March 27, 2015, 01:09:07 AM
GCC's getting involved, in case anyone missed it:
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/3/26/regional-rivalries-threaten-to-prolong-yemens-civil-war.html
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/3/26/Saudi-airstrikes-yemen.html

or, well, you know, more involved
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on March 27, 2015, 01:36:53 AM
More like FGC amirite lol.
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 27, 2015, 12:57:49 PM
I kind of wish it was Oman that was in this mess instead of Yeman.  Cause then Oman would be like 'O man' and Yemen would be like 'Yeh man, glad it aint us'.  But it is :(
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 27, 2015, 02:48:37 PM
I think you're taking a Laos on that one.
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on March 27, 2015, 03:08:36 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on March 27, 2015, 12:57:49 PM
I kind of wish it was Oman that was in this mess instead of Yeman.  Cause then Oman would be like 'O man' and Yemen would be like 'Yeh man, glad it aint us'.  But it is :(

Oman, did you hear? Iran all the way here to tell you. Israeli bad, a Qatar crashed--Syrias injuries among the crew. Bahrain, I can't run back with it pouring down like this, Saudi at your mechanic still?
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 28, 2015, 05:40:05 AM
When did KCNA start treating South Korea so nicely? They used to always call it the "U.S. puppet state" or something like that.

http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2015/201503/news27/20150327-19ee.html
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S. Korean Company Trade Unions Protest Management Side's Move to Sell off Subsidiaries
Pyongyang, March 27 (KCNA) -- Four trade unions under the Samsung Group of south Korea held a rally in Suwon, Kyonggi Province on Mar. 21 in solidarity with the members of the Metal Workers Trade Union to condemn the management side.
The speakers accused the management side of the unreasonable plan it worked out in November last year to sell off four subsidiary companies to other group. The management side has since been negotiating with the group, they noted.
They called on other workers serving the unethical and immoral enterprise to join the on-going struggle.
Representatives of trade unions sent a joint statement to the management side in demand of a stop to the sale.
Earlier, the workers had a demonstration march.

http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2015/201503/news27/20150327-22ee.html
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S. Korean Youth Flay U.S. for Egging Defectors on to Scatter Anti-DPRK Leaflets
Pyongyang, March 27 (KCNA) -- Young south Koreans held a press conference before the UN Headquarters in New York on March 20 at which they denounced the U.S. for egging north Korean defectors on to scatter anti-DPRK leaflets, according to Thongil News, an internet paper of south Korea.
In a petition to be submitted to the UN Human Rights Council they said anti-DPRK leaflet scattering has been supported and manipulated by the U.S. Department of State since the passage of the "North Korean Human Rights Act" in the U.S. in 2004.
They demanded the U.S. stop funding the U.S. "Human Rights Foundation" for the leaflet operation.
The U.S. support is an act of blocking the improvement of north-south relations, they charged. They demanded the UN Human Rights Council recommend the U.S. government to halt the support.
Meanwhile, they conducted information service against anti-DPRK leaflet scattering in major streets of New York.
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 28, 2015, 02:54:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqAuY3yOlXs
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ENGEL (1:58): I know several people in the US military who were taken by surprise by this [action in Yemen]. Senior officials who would have been expected to know that there was going to be an operation in Yemen, they didn’t. They were finding out about it almost in real time.

And they believe, and some US members of Congress believe, that the reason Saudi Arabia and other states didn’t tell the US that it was going to launch this war against Shi’ite backed, or Iranian-backed rebels in Yemen, is because Saudi Arabia and other countries simply don’t trust the United States anymore, don’t trust this administration — think the administration is working to befriend Iran to try and make a deal in Switzerland, and therefore didn’t think that the intelligence frankly would be secure.

I think that is a situation that is quite troubling for US foreign policy, where traditional allies — like Saudi Arabia, like Egypt, like the United Arab Emirates — don’t know if the US is reliable at this stage to hold onto this information when it comes to Iran.
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on March 28, 2015, 05:10:25 PM
What was the excuse for the intervention in Bahrain during the Arab Spring then.
Title: Re: euro banking blame game- International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on April 02, 2015, 02:06:25 PM
It's funny listening to the righties scoff at the notion that Iran would ever want peace when it's the righties that really want war.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on April 02, 2015, 02:08:04 PM
Diplomacy isn't dead. :rejoice
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 02, 2015, 03:56:23 PM
can't wait to get home and see what Jennifer Rubin has to say.
:umad
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 02, 2015, 04:03:26 PM
It's about time we solved an issue with something other than bombs.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 03, 2015, 02:15:49 AM
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/iran-accuses-u-s-of-lying-about-new-nuke-agreement/
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LAUSANNE, Switzerland — Just hours after the announcement of what the United States characterized as a historic agreement with Iran over its nuclear program, the country’s leading negotiator lashed out at the Obama administration for lying about the details of a tentative framework.

Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif accused the Obama administration of misleading the American people and Congress in a fact sheet it released following the culmination of negotiations with the Islamic Republic.

Zarif bragged in an earlier press conference with reporters that the United States had tentatively agreed to let it continue the enrichment of uranium, the key component in a nuclear bomb, as well as key nuclear research.

Zarif additionally said Iran would have all nuclear-related sanctions lifted once a final deal is signed and that the country would not be forced to shut down any of its currently operating nuclear installations.

Following a subsequent press conference by Secretary of State John Kerry—and release of a administration fact sheet on Iranian concessions—Zarif lashed out on Twitter over what he dubbed lies.

“The solutions are good for all, as they stand,” he tweeted. “There is no need to spin using ‘fact sheets’ so early on.”

Zarif went on to push back against claims by Kerry that the sanctions relief would be implemented in a phased fashion—and only after Iran verifies that it is not conducting any work on the nuclear weapons front.

Zarif, echoing previous comments, said the United States has promised an immediate termination of sanctions.

“Iran/5+1 Statement: ‘US will cease the application of ALL nuclear-related secondary economic and financial sanctions.’ Is this gradual?” he wrote on Twitter.

He then suggested a correction: “Iran/P5+1 Statement: ‘The EU will TERMINATE the implementation of ALL nuclear-related economic and financial sanctions’. How about this?”

The pushback from Iran’s chief diplomat follows a pattern of similar accusations by senior Iranian political figures after the announcement of previous agreements.

Following the signing of an interim agreement with Iran aimed at scaling back its nuclear work, Iran accused the United States of lying about details of the agreement.
The primary thing I like about this is just the fact of Iran's foreign minister using twitter as his medium for this.

 :american :swiss :american
Truly a glorious new era.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on April 03, 2015, 04:50:46 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 02, 2015, 04:03:26 PM
It's about time we solved an issue with something other than bombs.

Not to be a downer, but http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/11/world/meast/iran-who-kills-scientists/
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 03, 2015, 06:44:14 AM
Fox News Poll:
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22. As you may know, Benjamin Netanyahu recently won re-election as prime minister of Israel. Are you glad he won or do you wish someone else had won -- or don’t you care much either way?
29-31 Mar 15
Glad he won: 34%
Wish someone else had won: 18
Don’t care either way: 39
(Don’t know): 9
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 04, 2015, 12:23:00 PM
Been trying to write up a response to that for about 5 minutes, still can't think of anything really.

But it's probably only a matter of time before these kinds of attacks make their way consistently to the west and that's where [as far as America is concerned] the real mess gets started. Can't wait for a new Crusade to get going.

:goty
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on April 04, 2015, 12:45:02 PM
some context for the massacre in Kenya (http://thenewinquiry.com/essays/the-road-to-garissa/)
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on April 05, 2015, 04:17:15 PM
Onward into the past!
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on April 05, 2015, 04:32:31 PM
When I saw that the reactionary religious leader was named Tikhon (which while a form of Tycho iirc, contains the Russian word for quiet / slow--tikho) I was amused.

Also, let's get up in arms about pressuring entertainers to alter the way they perform art that was altered by the artist himself to #GetRichOrDieTrying with something so ludicrous as inserting a ballet in an opera for Napoleon III. :lol


spoiler (click to show/hide)
Someone please kill me. :goty2
[close]
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 07, 2015, 09:51:34 AM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32202768

well that is one strategy.  'You owe us money!', 'nah, you guys were Nazis'
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 07, 2015, 11:06:48 AM
Hence we will not say that Greeks fight like heroes, but we will say that heroes fight like Greeks.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 07, 2015, 11:42:46 AM
Churchill clearly wasn't thinking about the hair braiding and homo-butt sex when he said that.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 07, 2015, 08:27:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t13zN8smvkE
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 07, 2015, 08:37:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJPOtPl-0NI

This guy is pretty enlightening 
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 08, 2015, 12:29:12 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCEy4qMWEAM2Fss.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on April 08, 2015, 12:30:48 PM
But that Trot I bully on GAF said class was the only meaningful struggle. ???
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on April 08, 2015, 12:51:18 PM
always fun looking at what “picking quarrels and provoking trouble” means in China. Uighurs growing beards, Tibetans selling textiles, women protesting gendered violence, etc. Quite multifaceted.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 08, 2015, 01:05:52 PM
Reading those books I did about The Party that I posted in the book thread, I came away with the impression that in China there are only three "real" crimes:
1. Those kinds of oddball ones.
2. Embarrassing The Party publicly.
3. Serial killing.

I guess the third one kinda goes with the second, so maybe there are only two crimes in China.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on April 08, 2015, 04:29:24 PM
^
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_Urban_Administrative_and_Law_Enforcement_Bureau#Criticism
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 08, 2015, 04:50:21 PM
https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/585879181520728064
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCF18IHW4AIqCC7.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 08, 2015, 04:56:03 PM
Things that picture is leaving out

With the deal: Obama wins
without the deal: Netanyahu wins

Now you can make an informed decision.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 08, 2015, 10:47:27 PM
http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2015/201504/news07/20150407-05ee.html
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Pyongyang, April 7 (KCNA) -- The Afro-Asian People's Solidarity Organization released a statement on Apr. 1 in denunciation of the anti-DPRK "human rights" racket being kicked up by the U.S. and its allies.

Recalling that the U.S. and its allies perpetrated such an act hostile to the DPRK as ramming an anti-DPRK "human rights resolution" through the 28th session of the UN Human Rights Council despite the opposition of the progressive countries in the world calling for ensuring genuine human rights and establishing a fair international order, the statement said:

It has already been fully exposed to the world that the "human rights issue" in the DPRK which was cooked up by the U.S. lackeys wearing the mask of "protecting human rights" on the basis of the "testimonies" made by "defectors from the north", human scum bereft of elementary human qualities and conscience, and has been noisily advertised by the U.S. and other Western countries was no more than a fabrication.

The AAPSO categorically rejects the anti-DPRK "human rights resolution".

The U.S. should no longer interfere in the internal affairs of other countries, styling itself a "human rights judge", but set right its own human rights situation as it is being censured as the world's worst human rights tundra.

Japan and some countries of EU should not impudently behave, pursuant to the U.S. scenario, but improve their tarnished image in the eyes of the international community.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Afro-Asian_Solidarity_Committee
http://www.aapsorg.org/en/
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on April 08, 2015, 11:02:06 PM
Aside from the banner that's a p. snazzy layout for that sort of website. :leon

What's next, Monthly Review graduating from Project Gutenberg tier?
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 10, 2015, 09:52:42 PM
White House defends trolling Netanyahu (http://"http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/238471-white-house-defends-trolling-netanyahu")
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The White House is standing by a tweet mocking Israeli Prime Minister Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu despite concerns it could further sour relations between the two countries.

A White House tweet defending the framework nuclear agreement with Iran contained a cartoon bomb that was nearly identical to one in a chart used by Netanyahu in a 2012 speech urging the U.S. to take a harder line against Iran’s nuclear program.

“Prime Minister Netanyahu has issued very strong criticisms of this deal,” deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes said on Friday. “That’s entirely his right, but we are also going to issue strong defenses of this deal.

“It would make no sense for us to essentially not make our case,” Rhodes said.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/donald-trump-would-have-negotiated-great-iran-deal-because-he-wrote-art-deal (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/donald-trump-would-have-negotiated-great-iran-deal-because-he-wrote-art-deal)
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Donald Trump told Iowa radio host Simon Conway yesterday that while NBC wants him back for more seasons of “The Apprentice,” he is too busy to film the show because “the country’s going to hell” and “we have an incompetent president.”

Continuing to pretend that he is running for president, Trump took on President Obama’s negotiations with Iran, which he insisted he would have been able to handle better because he wrote “the biggest-selling business book of all time,” his get-rich guide “The Art of the Deal.”

“The deal is terrible, it’s going to lead to nuclear all over the place and everyone’s going to want to have it and it’s a disaster for Israel, I can tell you, it’s a disaster for this country,” he said. “And they just don’t know what they’re doing.”
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 10, 2015, 09:59:47 PM
Trump is such an embarrassment
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 11, 2015, 12:25:34 AM
Fuck, everyone's gonna want nuclear now!  :-\
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 11, 2015, 12:32:34 AM
Like anyone doesn't actually want nuclear ever.  If you can get nuclear before anyone notices your developing it then you really only get benefits.   Or you can just become paranuclear like all the cool countries. 
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 13, 2015, 11:02:03 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8xAXJx9WJ8
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 13, 2015, 11:09:26 AM
These are all lies because people in the EU pay taxes in the Euro, therefore the Euro something something magic something something debts don't exist.

I'd like to see strategy games start taking on some of these graphic styles and stuff, they amuse me just to watch.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on April 13, 2015, 11:14:58 AM
Have you noticed that everyone saying the Iran deal is bad don't say why it's bad?

Or even better, the deal keeping Iran from getting a nuke is actually giving it to them?

 :stahp
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 13, 2015, 11:25:17 AM
Because they're liars who will get a nuke and destroy Israel anyway! They're hood-winking Obama! Munich! Chamberlain!
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 13, 2015, 11:59:11 AM
Quote from: Brehvolution on April 13, 2015, 11:14:58 AM
Have you noticed that everyone saying the Iran deal is bad don't say why it's bad?

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“President Obama is hailing this framework as something that could enhance the prospects for peace in the Middle East,” McCain told reporters at the United States Senate. “For those of us who have looked forward to bombing Iran for some time now, that would be a doomsday scenario.”

“The Iranians know well and good that if they abandon their nuclear program exactly the way we’ve asked them to, we can kiss bombing them goodbye,” he said, shaking his head ruefully. “It’s a damn shame.”
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on April 13, 2015, 12:04:52 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on April 13, 2015, 11:02:03 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8xAXJx9WJ8
We're just going to ignore the spark that set this off, huh?  :goty2 Not to say this set-up isn't inherently flawed, but there was this little event in '07 that tipped the first few dominos over.

edit: Woops, spoke too soon.

That "cultural differences" bit, jesus christ. :stahp
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 13, 2015, 12:07:27 PM
Bomb-bomb-Iran was the hit single from the republican campaign trail and this sickening deal is clearly just aimed at diminishing the Republican's musical potential for next year.  I mean you just can't talk about devastating a nation to the tune of Anaconda!
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 13, 2015, 12:13:13 PM
Quote from: Rufus on April 13, 2015, 12:04:52 PM
We're just going to ignore the spark that set this off, huh?  :goty2 Not to say this set-up isn't inherently flawed, but there was this little event in '07 that tipped the first few dominos over.
The Boston Celtics trading for Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett?
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on April 13, 2015, 12:20:17 PM
Quote from: Rufus on April 13, 2015, 12:04:52 PM
That "cultural differences" bit, jesus christ. :stahp

To steal a joke from a Borean, there's a reason why Bloomberg has an L in it.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 13, 2015, 12:24:45 PM
Quote from: Rufus on April 13, 2015, 12:04:52 PM
That "cultural differences" bit, jesus christ. :stahp

I didn't take it so much as the video calling the Greeks lazy tax evaders but saying Germans perceive the Greeks as lazy tax evaders.  Mostly because the Greeks are lazy and tax evaders.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 15, 2015, 02:13:57 AM
Quote from: Brehvolution on April 13, 2015, 11:14:58 AM
Have you noticed that everyone saying the Iran deal is bad don't say why it's bad?

Or even better, the deal keeping Iran from getting a nuke is actually giving it to them?

 :stahp
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-04-14/boehner-obama-made-a-deal-with-the-devil
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President Barack Obama made a “deal with the devil” in his nuclear framework with Iran and there’s no reason to think it can verifiably prevent the Tehran regime from getting a nuclear weapon, House Speaker John Boehner said Tuesday.

Returning from a long trip to the Middle East that included stops in Iraq, Israel, Jordan and Saudi Arabia, Boehner spoke to a small group of reporters about the war against the Islamic State and the general situation in the region as well as the Obama administration’s nuclear deal with Iran. He said there was great skepticism among Iran's neighbors about the emerging agreement between it and the P5+1 world powers, and he shared those concerns.

“I don’t know how you cut a deal with the devil and think the devil is going to keep his end of the deal,” Boehner said of Obama and his advisers. “All they’ve done this far is talk about a delay of their development of a nuclear weapons for a few months or a year, in exchange for the rehabilitation of their entire economy? I think they are desperate for a deal at any cost and I think this is a prescription for disaster.”

Boehner also responded to White House spokesman Josh Earnest’s March 29 statement on ABC’s "This Week" that Boehner’s opposition to the nuclear negotiations meant he wanted war with Iran, and that he should "should have the courage of his convictions to actually say so." On the contrary, Boehner said, he was not for war with Iran, and if the administration had kept up sanctions pressure it could have gotten “a real agreement” rather than the "unverifiable" pact the framework suggests. Pressed on what that meant, Boehner said: “An agreement that would allow unfettered access to the inspectors to go anywhere at any time. That would be a real agreement.”

Boehner warned that Arab Gulf nations are likely to pursue their own nuclear weapons programs if the deal with Iran doesn’t satisfy their deep skepticism. “If Iran is on a path to get a nuclear weapon, all those countries that can afford to get one are going to have one,” he said. “It’s a fact.”
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on April 15, 2015, 02:51:32 AM
I'm going to start calling the U.S. government the "American regime."
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 15, 2015, 02:52:37 AM
Quote from: Vularai on April 15, 2015, 02:51:32 AM
I'm going to start calling the U.S. government the "American regime."
Now you're stealing from Rush Limbaugh?
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on April 15, 2015, 02:56:43 AM
I don't listen to prog rock, sorry.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 15, 2015, 02:59:00 AM
I think he actually stole it from someone on Air America (:dead) calling it the "Bush Regime" and he was using it mockingly and then just naturally transitioned into using it seriously with Obama.

This is probably the origin story of half my views.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on April 15, 2015, 03:21:45 AM
Definitely heard a lot of "Bush regime" back in the day.

I will never get the "bad man does all the bad things himself" thought process.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: brawndolicious on April 15, 2015, 03:53:54 AM
*this was a but too drunk
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 15, 2015, 03:55:53 AM
Quote from: Vularai on April 15, 2015, 03:21:45 AM
I will never get the "bad man does all the bad things himself" thought process.
Bob Avakian has a New Synthesis for you!
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on April 20, 2015, 03:51:21 PM
Greece: Let us go.

IMF: Uhhhh lol no.

Greece: Then you leave us no choice, Agent Eurobond--release the dogecoins.

*global economic apocalypse*
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 20, 2015, 11:12:17 PM
this happened a couple days ago:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/islamic-state-files-show-structure-of-islamist-terror-group-a-1029274.html

so you're telling me a former Ba'athist used his contacts within the Assad and Hussein regimes to create an intelligence network which then exploited the vacuum of power resulting from the Iraq invasion and Syrian Civil War by playing off regional, ethnic and sectarian conflicts, all while using a pan-Islamic jihadist rhetoric that was less a dogma than a recruiting tool for tractable foreign foot soldiers?

(http://replygif.net/i/1408.gif)
never would've seen that one coming
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: T-Short on April 21, 2015, 03:49:47 AM
This is brutal:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/20/britain-criminally-stupid-race-immigration (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/20/britain-criminally-stupid-race-immigration)

Quoting almost the whole thing here:

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The SNP’s growing popularity has prompted a little low-level press racism of the kilts-and-porridge variety, as an English electorate struggles with the idea that there will be Scottish people holding the reins of power for the first time since the last government. Nicola Sturgeon has been called “the most dangerous woman in Britain”, by someone who hasn’t met any other Scottish women. Of course, it’s difficult to explain to English people that we have always had their best interests at heart – if we hadn’t invented penicillin they would have all died in a Greek airport departure lounge.

Quote
Then there’s Ukip, like someone made a heavy-handed version of The Thick of It for ITV. They don’t want Britain to be ruled by foreigners – with the notable exception of the royal family. They want an Australian-style points system for immigration. Who knows what this will look like, but my suspicion is “being white” will be like catching the snitch in Quidditch.

...

Ukip are just the broader end, the easy slapstick laughs. They even have a porn-star candidate. Of course, he isn’t the first MP to have filmed himself having sex. But he is the first to do so with an adult, whom he allowed to live.

 :whew

Quote
A lot of racism comes from projection. White Americans have a stereotype of black people being criminals purely because they can’t acknowledge that it was actually white people that stole them from Africa in the first place.

...

This is what happens when you don’t understand or even acknowledge history. You end up in a situation where, when slavery is the elephant in the room in your relationship with African Americans, you think it’s OK to say that you killed one of them because he was trying to escape.

 :whoo

Quote
Britain is in a similar place with colonialism. We have streets named after slave owners. We profited from a vile crime and feel no shame. We fear the arrival of immigrants that we have drawn here with the wealth we stole from them. For much of the rest of the world we must be the focus of bitter amusement, characters in a satire we don’t understand. It is British people that don’t learn languages, or British history. Britain is the true scrounger, the true criminal.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 21, 2015, 04:47:55 AM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on April 20, 2015, 11:12:17 PM
this happened a couple days ago:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/islamic-state-files-show-structure-of-islamist-terror-group-a-1029274.html

so you're telling me a former Ba'athist used his contacts within the Assad and Hussein regimes to create an intelligence network which then exploited the vacuum of power resulting from the Iraq invasion and Syrian Civil War by playing off regional, ethnic and sectarian conflicts, all while using a pan-Islamic jihadist rhetoric that was less a dogma than a recruiting tool for tractable foreign foot soldiers?

(http://replygif.net/i/1408.gif)
never would've seen that one coming

It's almost like maybe the Iraq War was a bad idea.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 21, 2015, 10:18:25 AM
Who knows what this will look like, but my suspicion is “being white” will be like catching the snitch in Quidditch.  :dead
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on April 21, 2015, 12:19:40 PM
Quote from: Esch on April 21, 2015, 11:12:36 AM
http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/live-news/2015/4/former-egyptian-president-mohamed-morsi-sentenced-to-20-years-in-prison.html


:pacspit

I'm sure the nu-atheists at GAF are working overtime spinning this.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on April 23, 2015, 09:45:52 AM
http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2015/04/23/chinese-government-says-please-stop-hiring-funeral-strippers/

 :chinacry
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 23, 2015, 09:48:05 AM
This is why China will beat the US eventually. When they write the history of China's rise to power funeral strippers will have a whole chapter.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on April 23, 2015, 02:50:47 PM
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/countries-hate-america-most-124201169.html

http://www.fincen.gov/news_room/rp/advisory/html/advis18.html

I can get my guts ripped out by a saheba lubnaaniyya again. :lawd

Being a Jew in Austria would be pretty lulzy too. They even have numbered accounts iirc. :ohhh
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 23, 2015, 03:50:12 PM
:snoop
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on April 23, 2015, 04:26:47 PM
If hurling Hellfires from the heavens without intel is wrong I don't want to be right. :american
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 24, 2015, 02:06:43 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/obbFVsH.jpg)

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/04/18/katie-hopkins-russell-bra_n_7091674.html
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on April 24, 2015, 05:55:39 PM
Quite the character:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie_Hopkins#Controversies
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 24, 2015, 06:07:26 PM
When will she be exiled to America in order to plague us like Piers and James Corden.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on April 30, 2015, 05:38:07 AM
I respect this mec's ennui game.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/04/charlie-hebdo-luz-stop-drawing-muhammad-cartoons-150429203627155.html
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on April 30, 2015, 11:13:36 AM
German foreign correspondent's thoughts on his time in Japan as he's returning to Germany.
http://www.fccj.or.jp/number-1-shimbun/item/576-on-my-watch.html

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What is new, and what seems unthinkable compared to five years ago, is being subjected to attacks from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs – not only direct ones, but ones directed at the paper’s editorial staff in Germany. After the appearance of an article I had written that was critical of the Abe administration’s historical revisionism, the paper’s senior foreign policy editor was visited by the Japanese consul general of Frankfurt, who passed on objections from “Tokyo.” The Chinese, he complained, had used it for anti-Japanese propaganda.

It got worse. Later on in the frosty, 90-minute meeting, the editor asked the consul general for information that would prove the facts in the article wrong, but to no avail. “I am forced to begin to suspect that money is involved,” said the diplomat, insulting me, the editor and the entire paper. Pulling out a folder of my clippings, he extended condolences for my need to write pro-China propaganda, since he understood that it was probably necessary for me to get my visa application approved.

:japancry
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 30, 2015, 12:41:57 PM
Quote from: Rufus on April 30, 2015, 11:13:36 AM
German foreign correspondent's thoughts on his time in Japan as he's returning to Germany.
http://www.fccj.or.jp/number-1-shimbun/item/576-on-my-watch.html

Quote
What is new, and what seems unthinkable compared to five years ago, is being subjected to attacks from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs – not only direct ones, but ones directed at the paper’s editorial staff in Germany. After the appearance of an article I had written that was critical of the Abe administration’s historical revisionism, the paper’s senior foreign policy editor was visited by the Japanese consul general of Frankfurt, who passed on objections from “Tokyo.” The Chinese, he complained, had used it for anti-Japanese propaganda.

It got worse. Later on in the frosty, 90-minute meeting, the editor asked the consul general for information that would prove the facts in the article wrong, but to no avail. “I am forced to begin to suspect that money is involved,” said the diplomat, insulting me, the editor and the entire paper. Pulling out a folder of my clippings, he extended condolences for my need to write pro-China propaganda, since he understood that it was probably necessary for me to get my visa application approved.

:japancry

So, Japan is becoming/has become Bush-era America. Nice.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on May 01, 2015, 04:58:52 AM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on April 13, 2015, 11:02:03 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8xAXJx9WJ8

I'm no economist, but the part about how the Euro allowed the politicians to promise "fat pensions" and "full employement" to get elected sounds  :shaq2 if not an outright lie. Make it sound like "austerity" was spawned in the 00's. By 1998 employement and pensions were already under severe pressure and it was clear the constant growth that followed the war was a thing of the past for most of Western Europe countries.

The "cultural differences", oh lord.
"Ever since the hyper-inflation of WW1, Germany have been very financially responsible", except for that slight 10 years hiccup with a square mustache, eh ?  :derp

I am not one of those "the debt is a creation of the person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation Wall Street fat cats !" type, but this is getting a bit ridiculous.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on May 01, 2015, 05:49:45 AM
My least favorite thing about that meme is that it completely disregards the colossal failure on the part of bond markets to reasonably evaluate debt issued by countries in the eurozone, which is their very reason for existing in the first place.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 01, 2015, 07:33:38 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/30/world/france-un-car-sex-abuse-claims/index.html

 :fbm
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on May 01, 2015, 11:51:49 AM
So.... anyone remember how bad Obama's deal was and how quick congress decided to go along with it after their interviews on TV calling it a disaster?

Good times
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 01, 2015, 10:04:56 PM
Pretty sure Canada had a special forces unit disbanded after something like this (not sex related) happened on a UN mission.

fake edit:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia_Affair
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 02, 2015, 02:09:28 AM
Hasn't France, and the Dutch(?), had like sex scandals on every single one of their UN peacekeeping missions?

Quote from: Vularai on May 01, 2015, 05:49:45 AM
My least favorite thing about that meme is that it completely disregards the colossal failure on the part of bond markets to reasonably evaluate debt issued by countries
Fixed?
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 02, 2015, 03:07:10 AM
We won the Vietnam War after all.  :american
(http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2015/04/FT_15.04.29_Vietnam.png)
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on May 02, 2015, 10:08:40 AM
So the capitalist pig-dogs should have actually believed in the superiority of capitalism. Huh.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 02, 2015, 10:25:34 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/4BqlvbD.jpg)
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on May 02, 2015, 08:03:08 PM
Deng Xiaoping da gawd.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 02, 2015, 10:39:43 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 02, 2015, 10:25:34 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/4BqlvbD.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/KN6K5W5.jpg)
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 02, 2015, 11:16:00 PM
I'd vote for Nixon after those two pictures.  Looks like a good leader.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 02, 2015, 11:17:13 PM
If Nixon hadn't been so paranoid, he'd probably be remembered as one of the greatest Presidents of this past century.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 02, 2015, 11:20:49 PM
He's only paranoid because of his Hitler sweat stache he always has going
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 02, 2015, 11:22:37 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on May 02, 2015, 11:16:00 PM
I'd vote for Nixon after those two pictures.  Looks like a good leader.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/Elvis-nixon.jpg/640px-Elvis-nixon.jpg)
(http://sca.gmu.edu/exhibit/img/atkins/acsrmn2_15_1f.jpg)
(http://sca.gmu.edu/exhibit/img/atkins/acsrmn2_15_3f.jpg)

(http://sca.gmu.edu/exhibit/img/atkins/acsrmn5_8_6f.jpg)

(http://40.media.tumblr.com/1b797db45fe3db915bc417e9d1bc0b2e/tumblr_mqef09y2fO1qz5q5lo1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on May 03, 2015, 12:19:29 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 02, 2015, 02:09:28 AM
Hasn't France, and the Dutch(?), had like sex scandals on every single one of their UN peacekeeping missions?

Sex ones ? Not too sure. Soldiers being callous and abusing power, definitely. Considering how many operations conducts, it is pretty frequent as well.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on May 04, 2015, 09:28:25 AM
A free speech event attended by Geert Wilders  :neogaf
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on May 04, 2015, 12:18:19 PM
Quote from: Dufus on May 04, 2015, 10:27:20 AM
Time to stay indoors for a while and avoid being in public. :shaq2



Oh wait. I do that 365 days a year.

(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/sadbron.png)
But that's also suspicious. :shaq2
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on May 04, 2015, 01:17:37 PM
Can't win this game.
Meet good people, be a good person yourself, hope for the best. :goty2
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2015, 12:23:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOPXElh923U
compare yourself to Rosa Parks, brehs
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 05, 2015, 04:15:47 PM
When you really get down to it, Pamela Geller and ISIS want the same thing: all out war between Muslims and Christians.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 06, 2015, 02:41:15 AM
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"Everything that starts with 'Al' in the Middle East is bad news," Graham said at a dinner in Boston on Monday with the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, according to investigative journalist Uri Blau.

Graham was referencing the Arabic word for "the."

"Al-Qaida, Al-Nusra, Al-Qaida in the Arab Peninsula," he continued. He went on to discuss U.S. relations with Israel and the Arab world, threatening the funding of the United Nations if it "marginalized" Israel.

Graham has been considering a presidential run, and recently laughed while saying that he has so much pro-Israel funding that he would assemble an "all-Jewish cabinet."

"If I put together a finance team that will make me financially competitive enough to stay in this thing…I may have the first all-Jewish cabinet in America because of the pro-Israel funding," Graham reportedly said, according to the Wall Street Journal.
:american
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on May 06, 2015, 02:50:01 AM
I agree, definite articles are a pain in the ass in Arabic. "I study literature" has to be "I study the literature"... and don't get me started on idafa, I'll start yelling at small children.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 06, 2015, 02:56:31 AM
UK election eve:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png/800px-UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png)
lol every single forecaster is saying "hung parliament"

I guess they measured all the candidates.

Speaking of commonwealth nations having 2015 elections:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/Canada_polling_since_2011_election.png/800px-Canada_polling_since_2011_election.png)

This polling is going to go crazier if the Provinces are any indication.
Alberta's elections just saw the Conservatives go from 70 seats and 44% of the vote to 11 and 28%. The NDP went from 4 seats to 53 and 10% to 41%. 44 seats needed for majority. The Conservatives have dominated the legislature since 1971.
Newfoundland polls has the Conservatives going from 56% to 31% and Liberals from 19% to 56%.

I'm surprised the Kazakhstani presidential election didn't get a ton of talk in here. Nursultan Nazarbayev won with 98% of the vote, up from 96% in 2011 and 91% in 2005, 81% in 1999 and 99% in 1991. Seems that he's got his mojo back.

Also in France, they released a new Presidential poll finally and Hollande is doing so poorly he only wins 52-48 against Marine Le Pen.  :lol
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on May 06, 2015, 03:19:05 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 06, 2015, 02:56:31 AM
I'm surprised the Kazakhstani presidential election didn't get a ton of talk in here. Nursultan Nazarbayev won with 98% of the vote, up from 96% in 2011 and 91% in 2005, 81% in 1999 and 99% in 1991. Seems that he's got his mojo back.

I love you man. :lol
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on May 06, 2015, 12:51:18 PM
You have a source for the french poll ?
But yeah the political situation is pretty bad here, no denying it.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 06, 2015, 12:58:37 PM
Man I wish Layton was still alive.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 06, 2015, 01:15:07 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on May 06, 2015, 12:51:18 PM
You have a source for the french poll ?
But yeah the political situation is pretty bad here, no denying it.
No idea how good of French pollster they are: http://www.opinion-way.com/pdf/sondage_opinionway_pour_le_figaro_lci_-_le_bilan_du_president_de_la_republique_trois_ans_apres_son_election_-_avril_2015.pdf

It's on Slide 21. (Or thereabouts.)
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 06, 2015, 01:22:01 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on May 06, 2015, 12:58:37 PM
Man I wish Layton was still alive.

Spoiler Alert! I haven't finished the newest Professor Layton game yet! :maf
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 06, 2015, 01:45:10 PM
Reading about the two guys who tried to attack Pamela Geller, they were basically Four Lions but in real life:

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According to news reports, now-deceased jihadi attacker Elton Simpson was indicted in 2010 and 2011 and given probation for lying about going abroad to seek jihadist paramilitary training. Given how their failed attack panned out, it would seem he needed a good deal more training. Thankfully, one local police officer outside the building was brave and quick-witted enough to foil the attack. But let's put this in perspective. Simpson and his roommate, Nadir Soofi, had the element of surprise, came in with body armor, each had an assault rifle and still managed to get taken out by a single police officer with a pistol before they could do more damage than shoot a school security guard in the foot. It was, thankfully, probably the most pitiful terror attack we've seen in some time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew-SrlQ9tlI
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on May 06, 2015, 01:45:16 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 06, 2015, 01:15:07 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on May 06, 2015, 12:51:18 PM
You have a source for the french poll ?
But yeah the political situation is pretty bad here, no denying it.
No idea how good of French pollster they are: http://www.opinion-way.com/pdf/sondage_opinionway_pour_le_figaro_lci_-_le_bilan_du_president_de_la_republique_trois_ans_apres_son_election_-_avril_2015.pdf

It's on Slide 21. (Or thereabouts.)

Thanks.
Opinionway is a legit pollster. Which means they are trash.
That's a terrible result if correct, even for someone like me who is pretty certain for a while that the FN will play some role in national governance between 2017 and 2022.

Sarkozy savior of the republic  :-\
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on May 06, 2015, 02:24:04 PM
Empires rise and fall, but Gaullism is eternal. :american
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on May 06, 2015, 11:39:59 PM
Quote from: Vularai on May 06, 2015, 02:24:04 PM
Empires rise and fall, but Gaullism is eternal. :american

Gaullism is dead  :usacry
I'd say let the voters have the FN if that's what they really want, they'll regret it soon enough however :
- It will wreck the shit of the country.
- I am probably trapped here and will not realistically be able to emigrate.
- Great Britain is also on the descent to madness.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 07, 2015, 12:01:34 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 06, 2015, 02:56:31 AM
Speaking of commonwealth nations having 2015 elections:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/Canada_polling_since_2011_election.png/800px-Canada_polling_since_2011_election.png)

This polling is going to go crazier if the Provinces are any indication.
Alberta's elections just saw the Conservatives go from 70 seats and 44% of the vote to 11 and 28%. The NDP went from 4 seats to 53 and 10% to 41%. 44 seats needed for majority. The Conservatives have dominated the legislature since 1971.

I lived in Alberta for 4-5 years and this is :lol

There's dynamics that might take a bit explain back here but :lol :lol

Edit: Classic case of living large while oil royalties were coming in, but once they were drying up either services had to be cut (driving people to the NDP) or raise taxes (driving people to the Wildrose Party, some ill-defined provincial populist party).

What will actually happen is that they'll all blame the current and continuing slump on the NDP and retroactively blame them for the whole thing and probably hold a grudge against them for a decade or two. So I should probably rescind my lols but I take them where I can get them.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 07, 2015, 09:50:22 AM
Israeli politics:

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/world-news/israel-benjamin-netanyahu-new-government-minutes-before-deadline
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday completed the formation of a new coalition government, reaching a last-minute deal with a nationalist party just before a midnight deadline.

The late-night deal saved Netanyahu from the unthinkable scenario of being forced from office. But it set the stage for the formation of a narrow coalition dominated by hard-line and religious parties that appears to be on a collision course with the U.S. and other allies.

With a slim majority of just 61 seats in the 120-seat parliament, Netanyahu could also struggle to press forward with a domestic agenda.

After Netanyahu's Likud Party won March 17 elections with 30 seats, it seemed he would have a relatively easy time forming a coalition. But during a six-week negotiating process, the task turned out to be much more difficult than anticipated, as rival coalition partners and members of the Likud jockeyed for influential Cabinet ministries.

The talks stalled this week when Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, a longtime partner of Netanyahu's, unexpectedly stepped down and announced his secular nationalist Yisrael Beitenu party was joining the opposition.

That left Netanyahu dependent on Jewish Home leader Naftali Bennett, a former aide who has a rocky relationship with Netanyahu. The talks with Bennett stretched throughout the day and well into the night before Netanyahu called President Reuven Rivlin, as required by law, to announce the deal.

Netanyahu had until midnight to speak to Rivlin. Otherwise, the president would have been required to ask another politician to try to form a government.

The Jewish Home party is linked to the West Bank settler movement. It opposes peace moves toward the Palestinians and has pushed for increased settlement construction on occupied lands — a policy that is opposed by the U.S. and European countries.

His other partners include Kulanu, a centrist party focused on economic issues, and two ultra-Orthodox religious parties.

tl;dr = One of the more moderate parties that was supporting Netanyahu pulled support and went over to the opposition, forcing Netanyahu to partner up with an ultra-nationalist party that opposes all peace efforts towards Palestine.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on May 07, 2015, 04:02:37 PM
In 2015 can any Israeli party that doesn't represent Israeli Arabs credibly claim to favor a lasting peace with Palestine? The last party that could--and I'm being generous with this--created "peace" by LARPing Banlieue 13.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 07, 2015, 04:09:28 PM
Well, it's like mentioning that Pamela Geller really hates Muslims, and then somebody points at that pretty much the entire GOP dislikes Muslims. It's all a matter of degrees.
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 07, 2015, 04:28:36 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 07, 2015, 09:50:22 AM
tl;dr = One of the more moderate parties that was supporting Netanyahu pulled support and went over to the opposition, forcing Netanyahu to partner up with an ultra-nationalist party that opposes all peace efforts towards Palestine.

I thought he already partnered up with the Republican party some time ago.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 07, 2015, 05:52:28 PM
but russell brand endorsed Labor. That's right, Labor. Spell shit right, losers.
 :jawalrus
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on May 07, 2015, 06:05:54 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 07, 2015, 04:09:28 PM
Well, it's like mentioning that Pamela Geller really hates Muslims, and then somebody points at that pretty much the entire GOP dislikes Muslims. It's all a matter of degrees.

Fair enough, though I would say you're much more likely to find a GOP politician who isn't Islamophobic.

Hard to believe Oslo was in my lifetime sometimes.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 07, 2015, 07:32:56 PM
http://mondoweiss.net/2015/05/netanyahu-palestinians-government

(http://i.imgur.com/QovB07n.png)
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on May 07, 2015, 07:51:06 PM
Quote from: Vularai on May 07, 2015, 06:05:54 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 07, 2015, 04:09:28 PM
Well, it's like mentioning that Pamela Geller really hates Muslims, and then somebody points at that pretty much the entire GOP dislikes Muslims. It's all a matter of degrees.

Fair enough, though I would say you're much more likely to find a GOP politician who isn't Islamophobic.

Hard to believe Oslo was in my lifetime sometimes.

Gellar wants what ISIS wants... all out war between xtians and muslims. pLus, it's the only way for her to stay relevant.

What a shit way to try to stay relevant. :heh

Human trash.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: brob on May 07, 2015, 08:50:11 PM
I like how the bbc exit poll has more or less every vote from scotland going to SNP. Shoulda gotten out while y'all had the chance imo. now you get tories with the rest of the lot.  :tophat
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: benjipwns on May 07, 2015, 09:35:20 PM
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Ed Miliband’s political future is hanging in the balance if the exit poll is correct, senior Labour figures have conceded. Mandelson said it was “very difficult indeed” to see Miliband becoming prime minister if the Conservatives won 316 seats and Labour 239, in accordance with the BBC numbers.

The Labour peer and former Downing Street adviser said Miliband had done a “magnificent job” during the campaign and he would not want to see him resign. However, Mandelson sidestepped questions about whether he would like to see the Labour leader fight another election if Cameron returns as prime minister.

...

He added: “Somebody was earlier predicting that Ed Miliband will have gone within 24 hours. I hope not. I think we should take our time. I think we should lick our wounds if we have to. I think we should think seriously.”

...

It is still possible that Miliband would try to hang on as Labour leader in the event of Cameron becoming prime minister of a minority government or what looks like an insecure coalition. In this scenario, he could hope to have a go at forming a centre-left bloc if the Conservatives tried to create a stable government but struggled to pass legislation and ended up collapsing within weeks.

However, with the exit poll suggesting Miliband’s party was on course to lose seats, including an almost total wipeout in Scotland, it would be more credible for him to resign and allow a caretaker leader such as his deputy, Harriet Harman, to take over.

One of the key factors in his decision will be the possibility of a second election. Senior party figures would agonise over whether there would be time to get a new leader in place in the event of another imminent contest. But the temptation would be to replace Miliband if a second election took place in more than a year’s time. Possible candidates include the shadow home secretary, Yvette Cooper, the shadow health secretary, Andy Burnham, and the shadow business secretary, Chuka Umunna.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_l7-l2XnsY
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: benjipwns on May 07, 2015, 09:35:39 PM
BBC TOPS CNN:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dIU2aMsT04
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: brob on May 07, 2015, 10:07:29 PM
Look at all those hologram people. Like a evil council out of a sci-fi movie. How far we've come from a single holographic will.i.am.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 07, 2015, 10:10:00 PM
this cultural appropriate will not stand, man
:pacspit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 07, 2015, 10:36:36 PM
SNP going to be like the Bloc?
Title: Re: Iran Framework Deal - International Politics Thread
Post by: Syph on May 07, 2015, 11:01:42 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 06, 2015, 02:56:31 AM
.

That Bloc/Quebecois implosion was glorious to behold a couple years ago
Now I'm getting nostalgic
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: benjipwns on May 07, 2015, 11:12:33 PM
Quote from: brob on May 07, 2015, 10:07:29 PM
Look at all those hologram people. Like a evil council out of a sci-fi movie. How far we've come from a single holographic will.i.am.
I like the eerie looping video of the "important" MPs while the rest have static pictures.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: benjipwns on May 07, 2015, 11:52:32 PM
Daily Beast sent PJ O'Rourke to the UK to learn all about their elections for The Colonies: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/06/britain-a-democracy-worse-than-ours.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 07, 2015, 11:59:28 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 07, 2015, 11:52:32 PM
Daily Beast sent PJ O'Rourke to the UK to learn all about their elections for The Colonies: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/06/britain-a-democracy-worse-than-ours.html

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The prospect of a parliament where no party holds a majority, a “hung parliament,” is causing the British pundit class (which, like most British social classes, is larger and more obtrusive than any class of people we have in America except Walmart lard-asses) to call this “the most important election in a generation.”

More important than the election that swept Margaret Thatcher into office in 1979? More important the election that swept Winston Churchill out in 1945.

 :wtf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Kara on May 08, 2015, 12:03:59 AM
Someone should tell PJ how generations work.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: benjipwns on May 08, 2015, 12:28:54 AM
Quote from: Vularai on May 08, 2015, 12:03:59 AM
Someone should tell PJ how generations work.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51zBnpptKuL.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: benjipwns on May 08, 2015, 12:40:37 AM
CNN discovers election shock:
First UK election shock as 20-year old becomes youngest lawmaker since 1667 (http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/07/europe/uk-general-election/)
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By Catherine Shoichet, Nick Hunt, Laura Smith-Spark and Paul Armstrong, CNN
London (CNN)One of the closest British elections in recent memory didn't take long to create its own history in early counting Friday as a 20-year-old Scottish student became the country's youngest lawmaker since 1667 -- ousting one of the opposition Labour Party's top figures in the process.

Politics student Mhairi Black, representing the pro-independence Scottish National Party (SNP), took Paisley and Renfrewshire South, a constituency outside Glasgow, Scotland, from Douglas Alexander, Labour's election chief and a former Cabinet minister.

"I pledge to use this voice not just to improve Scotland, but to pursue progressive politics for the benefit of people across the UK," Black told supporters during her acceptance speech.
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150508094841-mhairi-black-snp-exlarge-169.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: benjipwns on May 08, 2015, 01:12:39 AM
George Galloway defeated  :gbcry

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I feel like this is the only time I've ever used the gbcry one.
[close]

EDIT: Kick a man while he's down jeez:
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George Galloway has been reported to the police for retweeting an exit poll before voting ended
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: benjipwns on May 08, 2015, 02:41:07 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/Ii9aVV3.jpg)


Tories now projected to get a three seat majority by themselves.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: VomKriege on May 08, 2015, 03:22:23 AM
Wasn't Cameron supposed to be on the ropes like one year ago ?
Must I conclude Labour is really terrible ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbLGG5UGEKw
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: benjipwns on May 08, 2015, 03:26:28 AM
I really thought the Giant Stone Tablet was going to put them over. Now all of Milliband's staff seem to be resigning.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: benjipwns on May 08, 2015, 04:09:02 AM
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Total National Green Party votes in 2010: 265,243
Total National Green Party votes in 2015 (so far): 1,073,491
Plus UKIP vote:
(http://i.imgur.com/tQMVePw.png)
itshappening.gif

Should have been posting the GAF doom and gloom in here probably instead of stinking up the GAF thread that's now about comics:
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I'm pretty much terrified for the NHS too at this point, I think we're pretty much fucked. My dad is very sick person and so far, the NHS hasn't let him down but if it were ever to go down another route then we'd be truly fucked.

I feel sick.
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This is a case of idiots being allowed to vote. idiots are easily influenced by tabloid media propaganda.

This country is going to go to absolute shit over the next 5 years. These parties are absolute NOT the same and anybody who says different is out of touch with reality.
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Blame the English idiots that just voted for a further 12 billion in ideologically driven cuts and a continued pursuance of a plan that has already been so devastating.

RIP welfare state
RIP NHS
RIP any respect for the English electorate

fucking pricks.
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are you surprised? a tory majority means that the bbc are going to be on the chopping block. if they fall into lockstep now they might just about manage to scrape through without being sold to news corp.
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England has turned into far right country imo. This is the beginning of the end. The Tory support in this thread is disgusting. it makes no sense.
:mouf :mouf :mouf :mouf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Kara on May 08, 2015, 04:23:31 AM
America is a reactionary shitbin tho.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: benjipwns on May 08, 2015, 04:28:50 AM
The Tory platform calls for an 8 billion pound increase to the NHS budget. But they're secretly anarchists and it won't exist in five years despite Thatcher being unable to get rid of it with much bigger majorities. :lol

http://www.bbc.com/news/election/2015/manifesto-guide

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Conservative
Main pledges

Increase NHS spending in England by at least Ł8bn above inflation over the next five years
Seven-day access to GPs by 2020 & same day appointments for over-75s when needed
Integrate health and social care
Improve access to mental health treatments

Labour
Main pledges

Extra Ł2.5bn funding for the NHS, to pay for 20,000 more nurses, 3,000 midwives and 8,000 GPs
Repeal the Health and Social Care Act and cap the amount of profit private firms can make from the NHS at 5%
Integrate NHS health care and social care
End 15 minute care visits

UKIP
Main pledges

Extra Ł3bn a year for the NHS by 2020, used to fund 20,000 more nurses, 8,000 GPs and 3,000 midwives
Spend Ł200m on scrapping hospital car parking charges
Insist migrants and visitors to UK have private health insurance
Extra Ł1.2bn a year for social care

Lib Dems
Main pledges

Increase real terms NHS funding at least Ł8bn a year by 2020, starting with an extra Ł1bn a year until 2018
Integrate health and social care budgets
Ł3.5bn extra for mental health
That includes Ł1.25bn for children and teenagers and Ł250m for pregnant women and new mums with depression

SNP
Key campaign points

Back rise in NHS spending across UK of Ł24bn by 2020-21 (Ł9.5bn above inflation)
Deliver a total boost to the NHS Scotland budget of Ł2bn by 2020-21
SNP MPs will vote against further privatisation of NHS in England
Seek exemption for NHS from the terms of TransAtlantic Trade and Investment Partnership
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Kara on May 08, 2015, 04:28:53 AM
I take solace in the fact that WSJ readers won't look nearly as fabulous as I will in assless chaps when their mode of production renders the planet an apocalyptic wasteland.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: benjipwns on May 08, 2015, 04:32:24 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on May 08, 2015, 04:21:26 AM
I'm reading over the Tory party platform, and honestly they sound closer to US Democrats than US Republicans. "Right-leaning" my foot.
That's FAR-RIGHT buster.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Kara on May 08, 2015, 04:34:39 AM
benji if you've never seen the Spooks episode "The Russian," today's the day.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: benjipwns on May 08, 2015, 04:36:57 AM
How would you even determine a price for the entire NHS?!?

Always relevant Yes, Minister episode: http://www.veoh.com/watch/v21038684cmxmQW3Q?h1=Yes+Minister+2.1+-+The+Compassionate+Society
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: brob on May 08, 2015, 07:01:13 AM
The issue isn't so much that people overstate how bad the tories are, rather they neglect to mention that the other parties are just as garbage.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Positive Touch on May 08, 2015, 07:07:58 AM
the #robthisengland tag on Twitter is pure gold rn. bunch of people talking about how they're taking their education and going home without paying the stupid fees. fuck England.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Brehvolution on May 08, 2015, 10:03:15 AM
Rupert's American media praising the efforts of Rupert's English media. No way!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Rufus on May 08, 2015, 10:09:20 AM
Gonna repost this here, more relevant:
http://www.stefan-niggemeier.de/blog/20989/vote-to-keep-britain-great/

This guy is a well know critic of German news media. This is basically his reaction to someone else's article explaining how GB's press aren't "opinion makers". :heh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 08, 2015, 11:51:08 AM
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a tory majority means that the bbc are going to be on the chopping block.

PD, post if you're okay.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Rufus on May 08, 2015, 11:59:50 AM
Quote from: Dufus on May 08, 2015, 10:26:03 AM
(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/wtf.png)
Yeah, that is the man's name.  :yeshrug
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Kara on May 08, 2015, 12:14:57 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on May 08, 2015, 11:51:08 AM
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a tory majority means that the bbc are going to be on the chopping block.

PD, post if you're okay.

#CircumcisedExcellence
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: VomKriege on May 09, 2015, 01:06:52 AM
Saw that on the Guardian :
Save us Bill Gates, you are our only hope (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/apr/30/dear-bill-gates-will-you-lead-the-fight-against-climate-change?CMP=share_btn_tw)

 :geoff
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2015, 04:35:57 AM
The two Polish President run-off candidates:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/Andrzej_Duda_%289851867824%29_%28cropped%29.jpg/187px-Andrzej_Duda_%289851867824%29_%28cropped%29.jpg)(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/KPRP_20130131_WG_305_BRONISLAW_KOMOROWSKI.jpg/178px-KPRP_20130131_WG_305_BRONISLAW_KOMOROWSKI.jpg)

Guy on the left is from the standard European conservative party, soft-euroskeptics. Guy on the right is current President and from the Christian Democrat equivalents, pro-europe.

The Democratic Left Alliance (which in the early 2000s had 200 seats in the Sejm, 75/100 in the Senate and the Presidency) candidate got only 2% of the vote, despite this:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/M.Og%C3%B3rek.jpg/240px-M.Og%C3%B3rek.jpg)

Best candidate was this dude, from the social conservative, euroskeptic Congress of the New Right:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/Korwin.png/231px-Korwin.png)
He had some compelling progressive ideas:
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In an interview with The Telegraph, Janusz Korwin-Mikke, who is a rank outsider in Sunday’s presidential poll, said that child abusers should be “very severely punished” but said that pornography created without child abuse should be legal. He also claimed that Margaret Thatcher once told him that it would be better for women if they did not have the vote.

“I can buy pornography at home, I can look at it, I can even have child pornography on my computer – why not, it’s my computer, my home, and I can look,” he said.

“I very strongly object to abuse of children, but that has nothing to do with child pornography. If you create child pornography absolutely in the computer without any child being abused, is it OK or not? It should not be punished. Looking at that is not punishable, it is punishable to abuse children. The founding fathers of the United States would be shocked that somebody can be punished for keeping and looking at something in his own home, it is absolutely against the American constitution.”

...

Mr Korwin-Mikke said that relations with Ukip were strained as Mr Farage’s party is “very egotistical,” and by pushing for the UK to leave the EU, risks “leaving [Poland] at the mercy of the Germans and French”.

“In Europe unfortunately it’s the fascists who are triumphing all the time. I sit in the European Parliament, and it looks like Adolf Hitler is still alive, the only difference is that it isn’t anti-Semitic. The idea of the government, state intervention, control of everything, even forbidding the smoking of cigarettes – it’s also the programme of Adolf Hitler. The EU is just a new edition of Adolf Hitler.”

Repeatedly referring to the state as a “slave owner”, Mr Korwin-Mikke argues that all social benefits should be scrapped, and argues that this would stop migrants risking drowning in the Mediterranean to reach Europe.

...

“I talked to Lady Thatcher several time and she said it is not good for women that women have the right to vote, because women vote for men,” he said, claiming that Thatcher had said that if more of the MPs voting in the Conservative leadership election in 1975 had been women, she would never have become Prime Minister.

Robin Harris, a former Thatcher aide who has written a biography of her, told The Telegraph that he didn’t believe that the former British Prime Minister would have said that she thought women should not have the vote, saying that “it sounds like garbage to me”.

Asked if he agreed that it would be better for women not to have the vote Mr Korwin-Mikke said: “Of course! Women don’t vote for women.”

Giggling, he added that his mainstream leftist rival Magdalena Ogorek – dubbed “Poland’s most beautiful Presidential candidate” by a Russia Today subsidiary – would be polling considerably higher if only men had the vote.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-us6TePAhmo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ET7mjslkUM
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Kara on May 11, 2015, 04:44:49 AM
Civic Union is more of a big tent party imo, hope Law and Justice takes the L. Fuck that party.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: brob on May 11, 2015, 04:55:11 AM
I absolutely love when foreign politicians refer to the US constitution as if it's some sort of impressive document rather than simply being the only constitution short enough for them to actually read through. 


Also, here's your weekly "what will those darned Chinese think of next?" story: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2015/05/05/china-orders-muslim-shopkeepers-to-sell-alcohol-cigarettes-to-weaken-islam/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Kara on May 11, 2015, 05:15:41 AM
Do they just pretend the USC doesn't exist? The constitution's (relative) brevity is more than surpassed by all those titles. :heh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2015, 06:05:17 AM
Quote from: Vularai on May 11, 2015, 04:44:49 AM
Civic Union is more of a big tent party imo, hope Law and Justice takes the L. Fuck that party.
In a way, aren't all "contender" Christian Democratic parties like Civic Platform just big tent "Christian values" parties in reality?

Though Civic Platform's well, platform, is a bit more hardcore than most:
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social conservative stances on social and ethical issues, including opposition to abortion, same-sex marriage, soft drug decriminalisation, euthanasia, fetal stem cell research, removal of crosses and other religious symbols in schools and public places, and partially to wide availability of in vitro fertilisation. The party also wants to criminalise gambling and supports religious education in schools. Other socially conservative stances of the party include voting to ban designer drugs and amending the penal code to introduce mandatory chemical castration of paedophiles.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Rufus on May 11, 2015, 08:28:33 AM
Quote from: Dufus on May 11, 2015, 05:57:22 AM
What is up with conservatives and their fucking bow-ties.
Our prominent bow tied politician is a "lefty" from the SPD. He sometimes looks like a mad scientist.
(http://www.spd.de/scalableImageBlob/101532/data/20130605_lauterbach-data.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2015, 08:33:16 AM
He'll be starring as Jeremiah Arkham in Batman v. Superman.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Kara on May 11, 2015, 06:20:56 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 11, 2015, 06:05:17 AM
Quote from: Vularai on May 11, 2015, 04:44:49 AM
Civic Union is more of a big tent party imo, hope Law and Justice takes the L. Fuck that party.
In a way, aren't all "contender" Christian Democratic parties like Civic Platform just big tent "Christian values" parties in reality?

Though Civic Platform's well, platform, is a bit more hardcore than most:
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social conservative stances on social and ethical issues, including opposition to abortion, same-sex marriage, soft drug decriminalisation, euthanasia, fetal stem cell research, removal of crosses and other religious symbols in schools and public places, and partially to wide availability of in vitro fertilisation. The party also wants to criminalise gambling and supports religious education in schools. Other socially conservative stances of the party include voting to ban designer drugs and amending the penal code to introduce mandatory chemical castration of paedophiles.

I suppose, though speaking of Poland the lunatic right has so many voting choices that I feel the distinction worth making.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2015, 09:44:59 PM
I think the most important thing is that we don't forget Poland.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Kara on May 11, 2015, 09:57:45 PM
To do otherwise would be western betrayal. :wag
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 11, 2015, 10:12:33 PM
as someone who's familiarity with Poland post-Solidarity ends with Kwasniewski coopting the old Polish United Worker's Party into the Social Dem party and then integrating into NATO and the EU, can anyone give me a primer on what I've missed?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 13, 2015, 12:37:10 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/north-korean-defence-minister-executed-korea-intelligence-004740331.html

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North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un has had his defence minister executed with anti-aircraft fire for insubordination and dozing off during formal military rallies, South Korean intelligence said on Wednesday

 :dead :dead :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 13, 2015, 12:40:32 AM
Well...I guess he won't do that again.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: benjipwns on May 13, 2015, 01:08:18 AM
North Korea stories always make me check KCNA:
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New Posters Produced in DPRK

Pyongyang, May 12 (KCNA) -- The DPRK has produced posters encouraging all service personnel and people of the DPRK in the drive for building an economic power.

A poster depicts an agricultural worker calling for bringing about a great turn in agricultural production by actively introducing scientific farming methods including water-saving style farming method.

Another poster fully represents the will of the workers in the fishery field to make big fish hauls in the seas of the country through dynamic fishing drive in hearty response to the militant call of the party to create a new history of big fish hauls.

There is also a poster calling for actively supporting the coal front, vanguard domain of the national economy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 13, 2015, 08:18:22 AM
Funny you guys care about polish elections

Problem in poland is the big divide

(https://welections.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/poland-2010-runoff.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 13, 2015, 08:19:52 AM
Shit is still the same now with rural poland voting pis
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 13, 2015, 09:30:03 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 13, 2015, 01:08:18 AM
North Korea stories always make me check KCNA:
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New Posters Produced in DPRK

Pyongyang, May 12 (KCNA) -- The DPRK has produced posters encouraging all service personnel and people of the DPRK in the drive for building an economic power.

A poster depicts an agricultural worker calling for bringing about a great turn in agricultural production by actively introducing scientific farming methods including water-saving style farming method.

Another poster fully represents the will of the workers in the fishery field to make big fish hauls in the seas of the country through dynamic fishing drive in hearty response to the militant call of the party to create a new history of big fish hauls.

There is also a poster calling for actively supporting the coal front, vanguard domain of the national economy.

http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2015/201505/news12/20150512-07ee.html

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the U.S. is the worst human rights abuser and tundra of human rights.

tundra of human rights :lawd
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Kara on May 13, 2015, 12:22:27 PM
Quote from: Premium Lager on May 13, 2015, 08:18:22 AM
Funny you guys care about polish elections

Problem in poland is the big divide

(https://welections.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/poland-2010-runoff.png)

Woah, this divide is the old partition border.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Rufus on May 13, 2015, 03:20:23 PM
Fun times ahead in 'ol Blimey. Daddy is getting his belt. :heh
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/britain-is-too-tolerant-and-should-interfere-more-in-peoples-lives-says-david-cameron-10246517.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Samson Manhug on May 17, 2015, 07:39:53 PM
Ramadi falls to IS:

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Fighters from the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) group have overrun one of the last remaining districts held by government forces in the Iraqi city of Ramadi, security officials have said.

Iraqi special forces soldiers were reported to be fleeing the city on Sunday as the armed group succeeded in breaching their last holdout.
The armed group had earlier made significant gains in its battle to control Ramadi, besieging the army base and killing 15 soldiers in multiple suicide car bomb attacks.

Al Jazeera's Zeina Khodr, reporting from Baghdad, said government officials had requested reinforcements from Shia factions in response to the ISIL advance, a move that could provoke opposition from the government's Sunni tribal allies.

"There are many influential tribes in Anbar who have warned against this decision for some time now," Khodr said.
The involvement of Shia militias has been condemned by leading tribal figure, Sheikh Ali al-Hatim, who said it would be considered an "Iranian occupation".

Chaotic situation

ISIL fighters had seized most of Ramadi, the capital of Anbar province, on Friday planting their flag on the local government headquarters in the centre of the city, but a contingent of Iraqi special forces was holding out in the Malaab neighbourhood.

Security sources said those forces retreated on Sunday to an area east of the city after suffering high casualties.
"We are now surrounded inside the Operations Command by ISIL, and mortars are raining down," a military officer inside the base told the Reuters news agency.

"Daesh fighters are in almost every street. It's a chaotic situation and things are sliding out of control. Ramadi is falling into the hands of Daesh".

If Ramadi were to fall, it would be the first major city to be seized by the insurgents in Iraq since security forces and paramilitary groups began pushing them back last year, helped by air strikes from a US-led coalition.

Ramadi is the capital of Anbar, Iraq's largest province, and one of just a few towns and cities to have remained under government control.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/05/isil-overruns-iraqi-holdout-ramadi-150517142811552.html

DoD response is basically, "We didn't hear about that. But if it's true, don't worry, we'll get it back (http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.656958?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter). :larry"


Hopefully it won't be taken back the same way Tikrit was liberated (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/03/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-tikrit-special-re-idUSKBN0MU1DP20150403).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Samson Manhug on May 19, 2015, 01:37:20 PM
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“This is how we get our weapons,” the [ISIS] narrator said in Arabic. “The Iraqi officials beg the Americans for weapons, and then they leave them here for us.”

http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-real-problem-in-iraq
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2015, 10:37:49 AM
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Kim Jong Un Gives Field Guidance to Taedonggang Terrapin Farm

Pyongyang, May 19 (KCNA) -- Kim Jong Un, first secretary of the Workers' Party of Korea (WPK), first chairman of the DPRK National Defence Commission and supreme commander of the Korean People's Army, gave field guidance to the Taedonggang Terrapin Farm.

The Taedonggang Terrapin Farm is a big base for breeding terrapin built on the personal initiative of leader Kim Jong Il who exerted efforts to provide the people with tasty and nutritious terrapin widely known as precious tonic from olden times.

Going round various places of the farm, he learnt in detail about its production and management and pointed to the serious shortcomings manifested in its work.

"It is hard to understand that the farm visited by Kim Jong Il did not arrange even the room for the education in the revolutionary history and the employees who failed to bear deep in their minds his leadership exploits could hardly perform their role as masters in production", he noted, adding the atmosphere of the farm was completely different from those other farms he has visited.

"Everything goes well, people substantially benefit from the results of the implementation of the party policies and hurrah for the WPK and socialism are heard from the units which consider it as the main line to uphold and glorify the leadership exploits of the great leaders and the party but only sighs of defeatists come from those units which failed to do so and they may get bogged down even if all conditions are provided", he said, stressing this is the lesson one can draw from their work style.

Recalling that the party sent fries of freshwater lobsters to the farm so that it might breed them and took necessary measures for it but it failed to complete a breeding ground though two years have passed since then, he strongly criticized the shortcoming of its officials as a manifestation of incompetence, outmoded way of thinking and irresponsible work style.

Reproaching the farm for not doing even the work for updating its operation, he queried its officials if they could call its installing of just cameras monitoring the interior of the breeding ground without establishing a system for measuring the quality of water and automatically adjusting it a combined control room and modernization.

He said that all service personnel and people of the country are working hard round the clock to make good presents to the 70th founding anniversary of the WPK but he could hardly understand with what success the officials and employees of the farm would like to greet the October festival.

Noting that if officials work the way those of the farm do, it is impossible to realize the desire of Kim Jong Il and they may bring such grave consequences as impairing the prestige of the party in the end, he called for turning the farm into the one from which people substantially benefit and a model unit in the nation's cultivation which introduces advanced breeding methods and technology into its operation.

He indicated tasks and ways for drastically improving the work on the farm such as the issue of taking a proper measure for supplying electricity for safe breeding, regardless of seasons, the issues of producing hatching equipment with indigenous efforts and technology, building perfect anti-epidemic facilities and putting overall production processes on an automatic basis, the issue of locally producing food required for breeding 100 per cent and the issue of intensifying the research into putting breeding on a scientific basis.

He was accompanied by Hwang Pyong So, O Su Yong, Ri Jae Il and Jo Yong Won.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2015, 11:12:00 AM
To go with the map Lager posted above; came across this comparison to Germany's 1918 borders and 2007 election:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Poland_2007_election_results.jpg)
 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Rufus on May 20, 2015, 11:26:27 AM
 :whoo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Kara on May 20, 2015, 11:32:13 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 20, 2015, 11:12:00 AM
To go with the map Lager posted above; came across this comparison to Germany's 1918 borders and 2007 election:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Poland_2007_election_results.jpg)
 :lol

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=41489.msg2035943#msg2035943

:beli
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Rufus on May 20, 2015, 11:36:31 AM
Pictures > Words
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2015, 11:36:46 AM
I saw it, but I brought an infographic, you know millennials can't read text unless it's in a word cloud.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Samson Manhug on May 20, 2015, 11:48:04 AM
No one even reads tweets without pictures anymore
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: brob on May 20, 2015, 12:33:10 PM
https://twitter.com/dineshdsouza/status/601035726130577408

hot take of the day
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2015, 12:48:07 PM
It almost makes TOO MUCH sense.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Yeti on May 20, 2015, 03:18:35 PM
Quote from: brob on May 20, 2015, 12:33:10 PM
https://twitter.com/dineshdsouza/status/601035726130577408

hot take of the day

That Statue of Liberty background he has is amazing, she looks like the final boss of a Final Fantasy game disintegrating away
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: benjipwns on May 22, 2015, 02:19:22 AM
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Iran-threatens-80000-rockets-at-Tel-Aviv-and-Haifa-over-distorted-Yaalon-comment-403750
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Iranian officials have been thrown into a fit over distorted comments attributed to Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon that have swept across the internet and include popular anti-Israel sites.

A report by Iran's Fars news agency on Wednesday claimed that the defense minister supposedly said “We are going to hurt Lebanese civilians to include kids of the family. We went through a very long deep discussion … we did it then, we did it in [the] Gaza Strip, we are going to do it in any round of hostilities in the future,” while speaking at an unnamed "conference in Jerusalem."

The quote was most likely based on Ya'alon's comments from the May 5 Shurat Hadin conference. He was recounting targeting decisions in which he was involved when it first became apparent that Hezbollah was purposely placing weapons in civilian homes in Lebanon. He said that “If we don’t intercept the rocket-launchers in advance, civilians will be hurt, if not killed. If we hit the launchers, it will hurt or kill Lebanese civilians.” He said a “long, deep discussion” regarding the “moral and legal considerations” took place before the final decision to strike the rocket launcher.

Another quote attributed to Ya'alon, for which a basis could not be found, claimed that Israel would act "as the Americans did in 'Nagasaki and Hiroshima, causing at the end the fatalities of 200,000.'"

In response, Iranian Major General Rahim Safavi threatened Israel with violence, saying that "the people who believe in the development and protection of a Jewish nation and the US are aware of the power of Iran and Hezbollah, and they know that over 80,000 (Iranian) missiles are ready to rain down on Tel Aviv and Haifa."

"We have displayed part of our military capabilities while we have kept many of our achievements and capabilities hidden to outsiders," a comment which comes just a month after P5+1 countries agreed to a framework deal with Iran. "Our response will be crushing not just to the person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation regime, but to any other aggressor who intends to take action against us."

Iran's UN envoy Gholam Ali Khoshrou also mistook the exaggerated statements for real and issued a letter to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon. "Moshe Ya'alon's recent remarks and the person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation official's implied reference to the possibility of using nuclear weapons against the Islamic Republic like what happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki and also his threats against the Lebanese civilians, including the women and children, shows more than ever the regime's aggressive nature."
whoops
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 23, 2015, 11:22:04 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/05/23/irelands-road-to-serfdom/

Summon the ghost of Friedrich Hayek to explain how matrimonial buttsex will lead us all to the glory of Marxism. :bow2

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I have met many conservatives working with or in the EU or UN who believe these international organisations that have become tools of the progressive left can be reformed, having witnessed the organised spread of Same Sex Marriage across the EU, they must now reflect upon this view.

Fearghas Obeara, a one-time policy adviser to the President of the European Parliament pointed out what defenders of traditional marriage were up against: “all the political parties, about 160 out of 166 members of parliament, all the media, all the major US multinationals, 90% of the funding was on the Yes side, it is extraordinary, and something approaching a miracle, that 40% of the voters had the courage to vote No.”

u mad, u furious? :umad
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Kara on May 24, 2015, 12:44:19 AM
The COURAGE to stand up and deny people civil rights. Via SECRET ballot.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 24, 2015, 12:52:54 AM
bubububu the corrupting influence of multinational corporate money!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: benjipwns on May 24, 2015, 01:54:30 AM
The picture is adorable:
(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2015/05/ap_ap-photo1447-640x446.jpg)

It's also cute how joining the EU and this is what's considered bringing "socialism" to Ireland. I think it has a more gratuitous welfare state than Sweden if you toss out all the mandatory programs everyone participates in like our Social Security which is how most of Sweden's is constructed.

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As in the United Kingdom, the very worst offenders are those who claim to be conservative or libertarian and support these measures
Does Rick Santorum know some limey potato fanatic is stealing his lines?

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Melben • 10 hours ago
"....we in the United Kingdom must now work tirelessly to ensure that the cards are not so similarly stacked for the upcoming referendum on EU Membership."

They will be stacked. The BBC will continue to take EU money and be unashamedly biased towards an IN campaign. Virtually all of Parliament will vote IN - especially the majority of Marxist SNP and most of Labour, the Greens, and the Lib Dems. A few wet Tories might rise to the occasion, but it will be 50 at most. EU money will flood the IN campaign from every angle and to many bank accounts. The media will be bought. Bloggers (Hodges et al) will be bought. Common Purpose will be handsomely rewarded for its efforts. Commenters will be paid - as the EU has already admitted it is doing - to oppose those in Disqus and other sites.

We are up against forces of evil this country has not known since WW II.
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Marine mustang • 9 hours ago
This is a powerful warning of what is coming. The warnings were sounded before WW1 and no one listened. The warnings were sounded through the 20s and 30s and no one listened. The world ignored the warnings in the aftermath of WW2 and throughout the Cold War. We watched as it happened and have seen the pictures and know the human toll. The warnings are now an annoyance to most because they refuse to believe. The collapse of free society has started and everyone thinks it won't impact their life... its happening "over there..." or to those "other people." What more freedom are you prepared to give away through ignorance and laziness? The Irish gave into the money. The US gave into the money. Will the Brits give in and lose their freedom in the name of EU collectivization, too? If we refuse to believe that there is a global effort to collectivize for the sake of the ultra-rich, does that mean we wont lose any more freedoms? Believe as you will, but prepare for the horrors that will come as a result of ignoring the warnings.
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Melben • 10 hours ago
Thoroughly excellent article. The might of satanic forces - not just Marxism.

"They must be “unreservedly committed to the person of the leader; but next to this the most important thing is that they should be completely unprincipled and literally capable of everything."

David Cameron personified.
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RealAlexTurner2020  Susan Beatrice Karimchise • 4 hours ago
It's our fault. We were silent when the homosexuals started celebrating "coming out" in the 1970s. Now it's not just them. It's their families and friends and neighbors and co-workers that we have to contend with. It keeps growing and growing.
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Thomas Schiff • 6 hours ago
So on the one hand the West is threatened by ISIS and Radical Islam whose spiritual leaders create a vision for millions of young men of fighting age from every nation to join them in building a global caliphate, earn the favor of Allah, be numbered amongst the righteous, enjoy temporal "benefits' with guarantees of even better "benefits" if it all goes wrong.

And then on the other hand we have Western Civilization setting out a vision to young men of fighting age to defend a society that denies their manhood, murders their unborn, voids their definition of marriage and family, baptizes unrepentant transvestites, denies any definition of sin before a Holy God and fails utterly to fearlessly bring the Good News of Jesus Christ to the population!

Who's going to win?
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bdog  Catbird • 7 hours ago
The road to Islam most probably
I think there's literally as many comments like this about Islam than about the Marxists who banned the Catholic Church and required everyone to get gay married.

Gotta admit the one guy got near some enlightenment even if maybe not as intended and not as organized as he suggests:
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If we refuse to believe that there is a global effort to collectivize for the sake of the ultra-rich, does that mean we wont lose any more freedoms?


Greatest comment though:
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Golfimbul77  James McClellan • 10 hours ago
The Catholic church was infiltrated years ago by Marxists with the clear intent of destroying it from within hence the kiddy fiddling and this was done by gay clergy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 24, 2015, 02:55:15 AM
Marxist pedophile double agents, I'm pretty sure that's how Rome fell.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Kara on May 24, 2015, 03:11:31 AM
tfw when you realize you should have got a job at the Institute for Social Research at Goethe University instead of Elders of Zion HQ. :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: benjipwns on May 24, 2015, 03:14:26 AM
Quote from: Vularai on May 24, 2015, 03:11:31 AM
tfw when you realize you should have got a job at the Institute for Social Research at Goethe University instead of Elders of Zion HQ. :fbm
U of M is Elders of Zion HQ?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Kara on May 24, 2015, 03:21:38 AM
No, HQ is in the worldwide center of Judaism--New York. :beli

A couple of protocols run respected universities though. (You think that Hebrew on Yale's seal is just academic? :hitler)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: benjipwns on May 24, 2015, 03:26:35 AM
oh  :lol I focused more on the Institute for Social Research part: http://home.isr.umich.edu/

It's where it seems like half or more of the social science datasets come from. Including that terrible political survey everyone uses because it's the only one anyone does and thus only one anyone uses so why make a new one.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Kara on May 24, 2015, 03:36:40 AM
I should have just said Frankfurt School. :snoop
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: benjipwns on May 24, 2015, 04:28:00 AM
Repressive Tolerance is a top favorite, up there with that Moses Hess piece about the evil Jewish blood of money.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 26, 2015, 09:43:52 AM
http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/stephen-harpers-new-attack-ad-is-out-and-its-hilariously-bad

Canadian attack ad
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2015, 08:27:22 PM
That was pretty bad I suppose, but even worse is that they only uploaded it in 360p.

This one is better lol at the image they use:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhOM_RTpDmA
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Samson Manhug on May 28, 2015, 07:27:46 AM
Boat people from Syria and Afghanistan and British holidaymakers have clashed on Kos – as migrants have turned the Greek island, popular with cheap package deals, into a 'disgusting' hellhole.

As families – enjoying some summer sun with their kids during the half term break – relax on sun loungers on the beach, just a yards away scores of migrants have set up camp, sleeping on cardboard boxes with rubbish strewn everywhere.

Anne Servante, a nurse from Manchester, had come to Kos expecting a relaxing break with her husband Tony, a retired plumber.

Instead her summer break has turned into a nightmare as penniless migrants who are in Greece to claim asylum sit outside their restaurant and watch them eat.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/27/19/291E762600000578-3099736-image-a-22_1432752243331.jpg)

'Disgusting': British holidaymakers say their summer break has turned into a nightmare as migrants who are in Greece to claim asylum have turned Kos into a refugee camp

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3099736/Holidaymakers-misery-boat-people-Syria-Afghanistan-seeking-asylum-set-migrant-camp-turn-popular-Greek-island-Kos-disgusting-hellhole.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Samson Manhug on May 28, 2015, 09:03:34 AM
Mods, can we get boat people filtered to distinguished maritime people, please? I don't think that slur represents the spirit of the Diversity Lounge.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Broseidon on May 28, 2015, 03:35:40 PM
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/370fd84bf8c2feea9182fbaa6f776807/tumblr_mrugwaUhHH1qkd0oho1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 29, 2015, 03:53:07 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/ZJbT0N2.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: toku on May 31, 2015, 03:36:01 PM
Didn't really know where else to put this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/31/business/international/in-europe-fake-jobs-can-have-real-benefits.html?referrer=&_r=1
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2015, 03:56:42 PM
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Iraqi security forces lost 2,300 Humvee armored vehicles when ISIS overran the northern city of Mosul, Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi said on Sunday.

"In the collapse of Mosul, we lost a lot of weapons," Abadi said in an interview with Iraqiya state TV. "We lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul alone."
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2015/May-31/299962-iraq-lost-2300-humvees-in-mosul-pm.ashx

arm rebels and half baked armies, brehs
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Kara on May 31, 2015, 04:04:12 PM
That many hummers sounds like corporate welfare bought in blood.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: brawndolicious on May 31, 2015, 04:45:44 PM
Quote from: toku on May 31, 2015, 03:36:01 PM
Didn't really know where else to put this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/31/business/international/in-europe-fake-jobs-can-have-real-benefits.html?referrer=&_r=1

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Some of the faux companies even hold strikes — a common occurrence in France. Axisco, a virtual payment processing center in Val d’Oise, recently staged a fake protest, with slogans and painted banners, to teach workers’ rights and to train human resources staff members to calm tensions.

That is surprising, I don't think  it would ever happen in America. It sounds like a good solution for when older workers lose jobs but it can't fully train them to deal with real people and problems, it feels an economic model that has 95% accuracy and the rest is unpredictable human irrationality. I'm interested in seeing how this affects permanent job placement.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: brob on May 31, 2015, 05:24:17 PM
https://twitter.com/curdistani/status/605101777462145024

The cleansing fire of the Euphrates Volcano   :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: benjipwns on June 02, 2015, 08:11:10 AM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Canada_polling_since_2011_election.png)

NDP has surged this last month. That clusterfuck at the end of the graph is great, it's from all three of the parties being between 26-30% in every poll after May 15th. The Conservatives had a highest point of 31% during the period edging out the NDP and Liberals who were at 30%. :lol

Greens are all over the place, they've been as high as 10%. (You can see the dot right on the line from that poll.)

Apparently they're going to have at least five debates with the Conservatives and NDP involved which the Liberals are boycotting, with their stance that they are only going to do the standard "official" debate which the Conservatives are boycotting. And the NDP and Greens will have their own debate as the NDP has stated it will accept any debate offered.

This one is better than the UK one. I've read that the parties hate each other to the level that there may not be any coalition possibility between a pair of them that will be necessary if FPP doesn't nail one of the parties hard enough. I love how our media mostly is ignoring it even though they're our neighbors in comparison to the UK one which they were all over.

(http://cdn.ipolitics.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Screen-Shot-2015-05-29-at-11.28.57-AM.png)
(http://cdn.ipolitics.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Screen-Shot-2015-05-29-at-11.29.07-AM.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Samson Manhug on June 02, 2015, 10:28:13 AM
Except for Alberta (and Quebec of course), it looks as though Canadian politics is much less geographically polarized than the US.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 02, 2015, 12:06:21 PM
Ya but we also only have 35 million people and a lot of power is concentrated in Ontario and Quebec. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: brob on June 04, 2015, 10:12:44 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/03/opinion/mohamed-fahy-how-qatar-used-and-abused-its-al-jazeera-journalists.html?smid=tw-share

Things haven't been going all too well for Al Jazeera lately. They've been slowly bleeding to death financially for a long time, losing most of their worthwhile staff, and now this. :'( 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Kara on June 06, 2015, 09:48:19 PM
http://monthlyreview.org/castro/2015/05/08/our-right-to-be-marxist-leninists/

:dead goat political mag
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: benjipwns on June 08, 2015, 07:24:45 AM
Erdogan’s Governing Party in Turkey Loses Parliamentary Majority (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/08/world/europe/turkey-election-recep-tayyip-erdogan-kurds-hdp.html?_r=0)
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Turkish voters delivered a rebuke on Sunday to President Recep Tayyip Erdogan as his party lost its majority in Parliament in a historic election that thwarted his ambition to rewrite Turkey’s Constitution and further bolster his clout.

The results represented a significant setback for Mr. Erdogan, an Islamist who has steadily increased his power since being elected last year as president, a partly but not solely ceremonial post. The prime minister for more than a decade before that, Mr. Erdogan has pushed for more control of the judiciary and cracked down on any form of criticism, including prosecuting those who insult him on social media, but his efforts appeared to have run aground on Sunday.

The vote was also a significant victory to the cadre of Kurds, liberals and secular Turks who found their voice of opposition to Mr. Erdogan during sweeping antigovernment protests two years ago. For the first time, the Kurdish slate crossed a 10 percent threshold required to enter Parliament.

Mr. Erdogan’s Justice and Development Party, or A.K.P., still won the most seats by far, but not a majority, according to preliminary results released Sunday night. The outcome suggests contentious days of jockeying ahead as the party moves to form a coalition government. Already, analysts were raising the possibility Sunday of new elections if a government cannot be formed swiftly. Many Turks were happy to see Mr. Erdogan’s powers curtailed, even though the prospect of a coalition government evokes dark memories of political instability and economic malaise during the 1990s.

With 99 percent of the votes counted, the A.K.P. had won 41 percent of the vote, according to TRT, a state-run broadcaster, down from nearly 50 percent during the last national election in 2011. The percentage gave it an estimated 258 seats in Turkey’s Parliament, compared with the 327 seats it has now.

“The outcome is an end to Erdogan’s presidential ambitions,” said Soner Cagaptay, an expert on Turkey and a fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

Almost immediately, the results raised questions about the political future of Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, who moved to that position from that of foreign minister last year and was seen as a loyal subordinate of Mr. Erdogan.

Speaking Sunday night from a balcony at the party headquarters in Ankara, Mr. Davutoglu struck notes of triumph and optimism, touting his party as the winner because it won the most seats, without mentioning the loss of its majority.

“The elections once again showed that the A.K. Party is the backbone of Turkey,” he said.
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Turnout was 86 percent for the elections, which were seen as a referendum on Mr. Erdogan’s tenure, especially his plan for a presidential system that would have given him more power. Polling had consistently shown that the majority of Turks are opposed to the change.

By law, Mr. Erdogan can call for new elections after 45 days if a coalition is not formed, and the political uncertainty sent Turkey’s currency, the lira, to a record low against the dollar in after-hours trading.

The vote turned on the historic performance at the ballot box of Turkey’s Kurdish minority, which aligned with liberals and secular Turks opposed to Mr. Erdogan’s leadership to win almost 13 percent of the vote, passing the legal threshold for earning representation in Parliament.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: Rufus on June 08, 2015, 07:35:20 AM
:whew Turkey dodged a bullet. (For now.)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on June 16, 2015, 08:27:43 AM
http://m.thenation.com/blog/209745-we-regret-inform-you-4-days-you-and-your-family-will-be-deported-haiti

What the actual fuck?

How can it be that this is not being covered like crazy in the news? I mean, non-Dominican news...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Samson Manhug on June 16, 2015, 09:19:27 AM
Too much Rachel Dolezal and Caitlin Jenner to cover.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 16, 2015, 07:02:11 PM
Quote from: chronovore on June 16, 2015, 08:27:43 AM
http://m.thenation.com/blog/209745-we-regret-inform-you-4-days-you-and-your-family-will-be-deported-haiti

What the actual fuck?

How can it be that this is not being covered like crazy in the news? I mean, non-Dominican news...

 Haiti lead the only successful slave rebellion.  They ought to be let out of the penalty box in a century or two. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Samson Manhug on June 16, 2015, 07:21:55 PM
Quote from: Esch on June 16, 2015, 06:13:10 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33160184

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The Palestinian unity government will resign, President Mahmoud Abbas has announced.
He told his Fatah faction the cabinet had to be dissolved because its Hamas rivals would not allow it to operate in Gaza, where Hamas is in control.
Some reports suggest that the government would step down within hours.

This is bizarre. Even more bizarre is my very Middle East-centric Twitter feed has no commentary/analysis on this. The Middle East really is an unpredictable place.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Samson Manhug on June 16, 2015, 07:36:55 PM
Maybe this will turn out to be a "I'm taking my ball and going home" threat but he knows he still wants to play because it's no fun by yourself.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 16, 2015, 08:29:56 PM
All I know is that it's Obama's fault.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on June 18, 2015, 07:18:00 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/16/danish-election-guide-parties-candidates

any on-scene reports from the danish bore contingent?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2015, 07:33:23 AM
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If the seat distribution is as tight as the polls suggest, the four seats in Greenland and the Faroe Islands could prove decisive.
:omg
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2015, 07:49:54 AM
To be serious because politics IS SERIOUS, I had been tracking this one like I do other countries and it was increasingly looking like the Social Democrats retaking their spot as the largest party, but the "right" alliance being able to scrounge up just enough to put them over by like two or three seats.

Way back in March-April, Venstre and the People's Party were looking like they'd alone outpoll the "left" alliance. and the right would get 54-58%. Then they both collapsed and you've had the seesawing back and forth since. Though this month the right has mostly held a tiny tiny lead.

The Alternative has sucked away some of the standard left alliance votes which has hurt the Social Liberals and Socialist People's Party and especially the Red-Green Alliance as they cannibalize themselves outside the cities. And the way the PR system works.

The Liberal Alliance (one of the most libertarian parties in Europe) is polling up at 7-8% after getting 5% last time. LIBERTARIAN MOMENT IN DENMARK.  :lawd

I'm actually reading the Denmark chapter in that Scandinavia book I mentioned in the book thread and he talks to a Liberal Alliance dude he gently mocks as optimistic and crazy (because duh, restructuring the welfare state, reducing taxes from 72% to 40%? NUT JOB) because the guy thinks Denmark could be in a position to form a "centrist" liberal coalition soon around the Social Liberals, Liberal Alliance and parts of Venstre. So they can ditch the People's Parties, the Social Democrats and Socialist-Greens. Pointing to the SD's collapse in the 1990's and Venstre's revival that's led to their last few elections being like 50.2%-49.8% and similar.

Also, don't forget, the Burundian legislative election is on the 26th. They had a short-lived coup by some random military guy on May 13 while the President was in Tanzania for an hour or something.  :lol

I expect the National Council for the Defense of Democracy – Forces for the Defense of Democracy to continue to win like 70% of the vote.

Meanwhile, CANADA UPDATE, the NDP has pulled ahead in the three way tie. Getting around 31-34% vs. 26-31% for Tories and 23-28% for Liberals.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2015, 07:58:36 AM
Also, Spain has the best or second best polling chart:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/ElectionMonthlyAverageGraphSpain2015.png/800px-ElectionMonthlyAverageGraphSpain2015.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 19, 2015, 01:52:52 AM
Quote from: brob on June 18, 2015, 07:18:00 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/16/danish-election-guide-parties-candidates

any on-scene reports from the danish bore contingent?

Shit sucks bro, those nazi nutters became the second biggest party :(

So there will be a right wing government now.

That said the Social Democrats got bigger too so not all is a loss.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on June 19, 2015, 01:55:30 AM
Enhedslisten. :heh

Radikale. :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 19, 2015, 01:57:00 AM
Im not alowed to vote yet but I took a test and my views align with Enhedslisten apparently.

Wife voted Soc. Dems
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2015, 03:04:27 AM
Liberal Alliance 3rd most seats gained, 13 total seats. 50% gain in share of vote. That's almost as many seats in total as the Danish People's Party gained!

 :rejoice LIBERTARIAN MOMENT :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2015, 03:07:29 AM
(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/172AA/production/_83709849_027754315-1.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/v56EjlV.jpg)

those debate podiums
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 19, 2015, 03:10:30 AM
Danish design breh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on June 19, 2015, 03:15:30 AM
Would have been funny if Enhedslisten could have fielded their actual leadership on that stage instead of their spokesperson.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2015, 03:23:09 AM
And they all spoke at the same time in unison.

The last part is optional.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 19, 2015, 03:25:28 AM
Resurrect Lenin?

I don't think Necromancy is legal here.

I'm real sad I have to live in another country where the nazi scum is gaining ground, same happened in Holland a decade ago.

National Socialism is the most disgusting political ideology.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2015, 03:32:32 AM
Speaking of the Dutch, a new poll for them also came out this week.

VVD would drop from 41 seats to 25.
Labour would drop from 38 seats to 10.
Party for Freedom (Geert Wilders) would jump from 15 to 21. (They had been up to like 25-26 seats as late as April.)
Socialists from 15 to 23.
Christian Democrats from 13 to 22.
Democrats 66 from 12 to 17.
GreenLeft from 4 to 14.
Party for the Animals from 2 to 4.

Even though the election isn't until 2017, all these elections in Western Democracies goin' crazy brehs.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 19, 2015, 03:41:48 AM
PVDA down by 28

But SP, Groen Links and the animal party up by 20

D66 is also up by 5 (pragmatic libruls)

Usually all these parties do ok in polls, but when its on they drop again

Fuck Wilders though, can't be friends with people that vote that shit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on June 19, 2015, 03:43:00 AM
Quote from: Premium Lager on June 19, 2015, 03:25:28 AM
Resurrect Lenin?

I don't think Necromancy is legal here.

I'm real sad I have to live in another country where the nazi scum is gaining ground, same happened in Holland a decade ago.

National Socialism is the most disgusting political ideology.

They have a collective leadership.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 19, 2015, 03:47:19 AM
Maybe one day the great state of Denmark will let me vote for them in national elections

I guess I'll vote for them in the next local elections
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 19, 2015, 08:55:02 AM
Rustle someones jimmies on Linkedin brehs by talking politics  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2015, 04:37:10 AM
(http://www.pewglobal.org/files/2015/06/Iran-2015-3.png)

(http://www.pewglobal.org/files/2015/06/Iran-2015-1.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Mandark on June 20, 2015, 04:42:39 AM
That second graph a product of the Shia/Sunni stuff or what?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on June 20, 2015, 09:35:35 AM
That timeframe roughly coincides with the Ahmadinejad presidency.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on June 20, 2015, 09:46:43 AM
Turkey and Jordan are also are directly experiencing the consequences of Iranian policy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 20, 2015, 02:35:21 PM
Ethopia's just kinda like  :yeshrug
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 24, 2015, 03:57:50 AM
Meanwhile, in Denmark:
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Lars Lokke Rasmussen of the centre-right Venstre party said Sunday he would form a minority government after a vote that brought the Danish right to power.

Denmark's Queen Margrethe II asked the prime minister-elect to "explore the possibility of forming a (majority) government with several parties," Rasmussen told public broadcaster DR.

"I honestly tried to fulfil that task, but I realised it was not possible" after meetings with several party leaders, he said.

Rasmussen added that he would hold a second meeting with the monarch on Monday to obtain an official mandate to form a minority government.

During the election campaign, other smaller right-wing parties had already announced they would not necessarily join a coalition government with Venstre.

Rasmussen's announcement came amid speculation following Thursday's vote over whether the centre-right would form a coalition government with the anti-immigration Danish People's Party (DPP).

While the DPP actually won more votes than Venstre, making it the second-biggest party in parliament after the Social Democrats, it has repeatedly said it would not join a coalition unless it could be sure to play an influential role.

The People Party's four demands for a coalition:
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a Eurosceptic approach to the EU, the re-introduction of border controls, further restrictions on immigration and asylum policy, and 0.8% growth in public spending
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 24, 2015, 04:01:11 AM
Also, I discovered that the literal meaning for the word that's used for the name of the Faroe Islands local parliament is "law thing."
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: T-Short on June 24, 2015, 04:08:30 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 24, 2015, 04:01:11 AM
Also, I discovered that the literal meaning for the word that's used for the name of the Faroe Islands local parliament is "law thing."

Well, almost. "Ting" can mean "thing", but is also an older term for meeting or parliamentary gathering.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 24, 2015, 12:16:57 PM
'republic' comes from 'res publica'  which can literally mean 'thing of the people'.  I'd be surprised if a lot of languages don't have similar etymology of their government. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 24, 2015, 01:16:57 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on June 24, 2015, 12:16:57 PM
'republic' comes from 'res publica'  which can literally mean 'thing of the people'.  I'd be surprised if a lot of languages don't have similar etymology of their government. 

And there's "Cosa Nostra" and the like.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Courage on June 27, 2015, 11:24:02 PM
Greece to hold bailout referendum on July 5 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/28/us-eurozone-greece-idUSKBN0P40EO20150628)

I don't see this ending any other way than a Grexit at this point.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 28, 2015, 01:55:45 AM
http://ipolitics.ca/2015/06/26/surprising-number-of-canadians-condone-torture-says-pew-research-poll/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on June 28, 2015, 02:55:07 AM
Quote from: Courage on June 27, 2015, 11:24:02 PM
Greece to hold bailout referendum on July 5 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/28/us-eurozone-greece-idUSKBN0P40EO20150628)

I don't see this ending any other way than a Grexit at this point.

Maybe it will force the european establishment to face some of the issues that they stubbornly look away from. I think the UE is the way forward but you cannot just do it in spite of what the people actually think. Could also be a precedent for a doom scenario, but they kinda brought it on themselves.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on June 28, 2015, 11:24:09 AM
KKE lining up against Syriza. :aah
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on June 28, 2015, 11:34:29 AM
This mess would be entertaining if it didn't highlight the painful incompetence by everyone involved. Cocksure stupidity on both sides, crotchety old fucks with a death grip on their failed ideas, upstarts who think finger wagging and bravado will move the needle... Just - pfft.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on June 29, 2015, 01:46:38 PM
http://m.spiegel.de/international/europe/a-1039738.html

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DER SPIEGEL: For five years now, international creditors have been trying to stave off Greek insolvency with vast aid packages worth hundreds of billions of euros. But unemployment in the country remains at 25 percent and gross domestic product has plunged by a quarter. Don't you have to admit that Europe's attempts to save Greece have failed?

Jean-Claude Juncker: You are failing to mention the successes we have achieved. Although Greece's GDP has fallen dramatically, the government has presented a budget in which revenues are significantly higher than expenditures . . . Pensions have been slashed, salaries reduced and public spending reined in.

I feel like I'm reading a Brecht play. :betty
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 29, 2015, 01:50:10 PM
"Everything's really super-bad, but we've also done some good things, too, like slashing pension and reducing salaries!"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on June 29, 2015, 01:58:10 PM
Pensions that entire families rely on, becasue of that lovely 30% unemployment rate. The comission wanted them slashed further, same as last year.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on June 29, 2015, 03:15:18 PM
Public expenditures weren't sustainable and any realistic plan to get Greece back on track has to include that, but years on the EU / IMF / ECB are still stuck on the same narrow spectrum of ideas even though Greece is electing Nazis and the guy who worked on Team Fortress 2 hats.

I can understand wanting to keep an even hand of discipline when you had other unruly children like Eire, Spain, Portugal, Italy and Cyprus to worry about, but at this point something more transformative and different is clearly necessary. This is a caricature of neoliberalism's internal contradiction of being rather hidebound when it comes to national policy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on June 29, 2015, 04:05:42 PM
greek tragedy :lawd
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Mupepe on June 30, 2015, 06:42:54 PM
And so Greece officially defaulted today?  The rest of this week will be interesting until the referendum.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2015, 11:54:44 AM
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Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras will accept most of the bailout creditors’ conditions offered last weekend but is still insisting on a handful of changes that could thwart a deal, according to a letter he sent late on Tuesday night.

The two-page letter to the heads of the European Commission, International Monetary Fund and European Central Bank and obtained by the Financial Times, elaborates on Tuesday’s request for an extension of Greece’s now-expired bailout and for a new, third rescue worth €29.1bn.

Eurozone officials involved in the talks cautioned Mr Tsipras’s remaining demands in the letter were “not a handful of minor changes” and would have “significant fiscal impact” and may not be acceptable to creditors.
http://blogs.ft.com/brusselsblog/files/2015/07/ESM-loan-agreement-prior-actions-amend-30.06.2015-1.pdf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 01, 2015, 12:13:19 PM
History needs to turn a page already.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 02, 2015, 11:11:42 AM
http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/greece-referendum-troika-eurozone-by-joseph-e--stiglitz-2015-06

:fbm

http://www.thelocal.es/20150701/the-ten-most-repressive-aspects-of-spains-new-gag-law

:fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 02, 2015, 01:44:03 PM
Joseph Stiglitz is writing articles I read in far-left periodicals years ago. The world has gone truly mad.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on July 03, 2015, 11:44:27 PM
France said that Assange could talk to her hand. Serves this pompous asshole right. I mean he's not even the relative of an African president, what did he expect ?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 04, 2015, 10:52:07 AM
Quote from: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2015/07/fear-loathing-australian-politics-150702125248629.html
"It's coming after us." Like a modern day horror movie, this was the Australian prime minister's theatrical response to the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) group in the aftermath of the triple onslaught in Kuwait, France, and Tunisia. The attacks, he says, "illustrates once again, that as far as the Daesh [ISIL] death cult is concerned, it's coming after us".

And the message is getting through. Australians are scared.

The latest poll by the influential Lowy Institute suggests most Australians feel less safe than any time in the last decade. Of those polled, a majority (69 percent) see ISIL as a high risk to Australia's security.

While Australians may be terrified, the coalition government is riding high on a renewed wave of support.

The newly self-assured Tony Abbott is polling strongly after a shaky start to the political year in which his leadership was challenged by a vote from within his own party. Just months ago, it seemed unlikely that he could survive the year with his premiership intact.

Ugh, I'm really not looking forward to the very real prospect of ISIL fear-mongering figuring heavily into the 2016 election here in the US, and it wouldn't even take very much to get that ball rolling, either.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 05, 2015, 12:21:56 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJJ9O-uUMAE6m6J.jpg)
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/01/europe/greek-crisis-memes/ (http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/01/europe/greek-crisis-memes/)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 05, 2015, 12:27:33 PM
CNN is basically the Fox News of non-Fox News news media.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 05, 2015, 12:38:35 PM
THE YEAR IS 20XX

DANK MEMES HAVE BEEN OUTLAWED

ONLY OUTLAWS USE IMPACT FONT
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 05, 2015, 12:53:39 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/fFxTc83.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Courage on July 05, 2015, 01:11:49 PM
Looks like the NO vote is leading at ~55%

Varoufakis said they could reach an agreement as early as Monday and banks would open on Tuesday. I hope it's true, I have relatives tremendously suffering due to the 120 euro limit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 05, 2015, 03:31:10 PM
Quote from: Courage on July 05, 2015, 01:11:49 PM
Looks like the NO vote is leading at ~55%

Well, I guess Greece will either get a better deal from Germany or descend into total chaos.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 05, 2015, 03:35:07 PM
Our government isn't going to change their mind unless they absolutely have to, they have their voters' backing (who at this point just want to see Greece punished).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Courage on July 05, 2015, 03:35:12 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 05, 2015, 03:31:10 PM
Quote from: Courage on July 05, 2015, 01:11:49 PM
Looks like the NO vote is leading at ~55%

Well, I guess Greece will either get a better deal from Germany or descend into total chaos.

So far, it looks like German politicians are resisting the talks for improved bailout terms. We're either gonna see a German referendum or the Grexit actually comes to fruition.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on July 06, 2015, 08:51:33 AM
https://medium.com/@gavinschalliol/thomas-piketty-germany-has-never-repaid-7b5e7add6fff

 :gun
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 06, 2015, 09:09:38 AM
I read that on Zeit.de. The comments weren't very entertaining though.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on July 06, 2015, 01:29:05 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 04, 2015, 10:52:07 AM
Quote from: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2015/07/fear-loathing-australian-politics-150702125248629.html
"It's coming after us." Like a modern day horror movie, this was the Australian prime minister's theatrical response to the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) group in the aftermath of the triple onslaught in Kuwait, France, and Tunisia. The attacks, he says, "illustrates once again, that as far as the Daesh [ISIL] death cult is concerned, it's coming after us".

And the message is getting through. Australians are scared.

The latest poll by the influential Lowy Institute suggests most Australians feel less safe than any time in the last decade. Of those polled, a majority (69 percent) see ISIL as a high risk to Australia's security.

While Australians may be terrified, the coalition government is riding high on a renewed wave of support.

The newly self-assured Tony Abbott is polling strongly after a shaky start to the political year in which his leadership was challenged by a vote from within his own party. Just months ago, it seemed unlikely that he could survive the year with his premiership intact.

Ugh, I'm really not looking forward to the very real prospect of ISIL fear-mongering figuring heavily into the 2016 election here in the US, and it wouldn't even take very much to get that ball rolling, either.

Dude, remember the ridiculous Ebola coverage leading up to the last elections? Remember the coverage the day after?

"What's ebola?"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 06, 2015, 01:33:15 PM
Quote from: brob on July 06, 2015, 08:51:33 AM
https://medium.com/@gavinschalliol/thomas-piketty-germany-has-never-repaid-7b5e7add6fff

 :gun

So what was the gist of this? I'm not fumbling my way through German to garner gems Thomas Piketty might have dropped.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 06, 2015, 01:35:26 PM
Quote from: Brehvolution on July 06, 2015, 01:29:05 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 04, 2015, 10:52:07 AM
Quote from: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2015/07/fear-loathing-australian-politics-150702125248629.html
"It's coming after us." Like a modern day horror movie, this was the Australian prime minister's theatrical response to the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) group in the aftermath of the triple onslaught in Kuwait, France, and Tunisia. The attacks, he says, "illustrates once again, that as far as the Daesh [ISIL] death cult is concerned, it's coming after us".

And the message is getting through. Australians are scared.

The latest poll by the influential Lowy Institute suggests most Australians feel less safe than any time in the last decade. Of those polled, a majority (69 percent) see ISIL as a high risk to Australia's security.

While Australians may be terrified, the coalition government is riding high on a renewed wave of support.

The newly self-assured Tony Abbott is polling strongly after a shaky start to the political year in which his leadership was challenged by a vote from within his own party. Just months ago, it seemed unlikely that he could survive the year with his premiership intact.

Ugh, I'm really not looking forward to the very real prospect of ISIL fear-mongering figuring heavily into the 2016 election here in the US, and it wouldn't even take very much to get that ball rolling, either.

Dude, remember the ridiculous Ebola coverage leading up to the last elections? Remember the coverage the day after?

"What's ebola?"

Yeah, the whole ebola mess was at the forefront of my mind when I made that post.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on July 06, 2015, 02:35:33 PM
Quote from: Vularai on July 06, 2015, 01:33:15 PM
Quote from: brob on July 06, 2015, 08:51:33 AM
https://medium.com/@gavinschalliol/thomas-piketty-germany-has-never-repaid-7b5e7add6fff

 :gun

So what was the gist of this? I'm not fumbling my way through German to garner gems Thomas Piketty might have dropped.

it was an english translation of die zeit's article, but too late now, german copyright lawyers have descended and mock you for your inability to read their arcane language, which can be found here (http://www.zeit.de/2015/26/thomas-piketty-schulden-griechenland/komplettansicht).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 06, 2015, 02:39:35 PM
Quote from: brob on July 06, 2015, 02:35:33 PM
Quote from: Vularai on July 06, 2015, 01:33:15 PM
Quote from: brob on July 06, 2015, 08:51:33 AM
https://medium.com/@gavinschalliol/thomas-piketty-germany-has-never-repaid-7b5e7add6fff

 :gun

So what was the gist of this? I'm not fumbling my way through German to garner gems Thomas Piketty might have dropped.

it was an english translation of die zeit's article, but too late now, german copyright lawyers have descended and mock you for your inability to read their arcane language, which can be found here (http://www.zeit.de/2015/26/thomas-piketty-schulden-griechenland/komplettansicht).
This might be the same translation, can't tell.
http://thetodayonline.com/httpsmedium-com443gavinschalliolthomas-piketty-germany-has-never-repaid-7b5e7add6fff-2015-07-06/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on July 06, 2015, 02:42:24 PM
yea, it seems like a copy+paste job. don't tell the lawyers :shh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 06, 2015, 03:41:14 PM
It's just a Google Translate, lolz.

So the final tally in the Greek referendum was around 60% no? Buckle up y'all.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 06, 2015, 03:43:15 PM
Quote from: Vularai on July 06, 2015, 03:41:14 PM
It's just a Google Translate, lolz.

So the final tally in the Greek referendum was around 60% no? Buckle up y'all.

I've got my dankest memes locked and loaded.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on July 06, 2015, 03:44:23 PM
google translate (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zeit.de%2F2015%2F26%2Fthomas-piketty-schulden-griechenland%2Fkomplettansicht&edit-text=) actually does a pretty poor job at it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 06, 2015, 04:07:03 PM
Ah yes, it does get better the further on it goes. The first question or 3 read very close to the Translate.

TP really misses the mark (har har) when he tries to place German debt forgiveness outside the context of the Cold War and it's rather disappointing that the privations East Germans did endure to pay reparations don't even enter the conversation, but I suppose it's a bit much to ask that people think of East Germany as anything but the SSD and their victims.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on July 06, 2015, 04:34:52 PM
My impression of Piketty is built on knowing he called his book Capital in the Twenty-First Century without having read Das Kapital.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 06, 2015, 07:11:16 PM
Quote from: Vularai on July 06, 2015, 04:07:03 PM
TP really misses the mark (har har) when he tries to place German debt forgiveness outside the context of the Cold War

That's probably the biggest reason that a lot of that debt got wiped away, not from any kind of altruistic standpoint. West Germany was the bulwark against communism, so it was all hands on deck to solidify their economic and political position to keep it from collapsing. Something similar probably happened with Japan, too, and for the same reason.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2015, 08:17:21 PM
Google Translate just dies trying to handle German, it almost never gets articles right even if you just stick a word in. And half the time doesn't get the word right.

I think part of it is literally programmed to smash known German words together when it can't find the proper one, which to be fair is how the German language is constructed, but still.

I say this with German as my second language.

And by second language I mean I have basic conversational skills and can mostly read it at like a 7th grade level, but can't write it past a 2nd grade level.

And by basic conversational skills I mean the first thing I'll say beyond ordering and stuff is "Ich spreche Deutsch nicht sehr gut" to illustrate the fact and glory of my superior American citizenship and force them into English mode.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on July 07, 2015, 08:21:14 AM
finally someone who knows what they are talking about (http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/07/Slavoj-Zizek-greece-chance-europe-awaken)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 07, 2015, 10:31:37 AM
If this means that it is we, the suitably erratic Marxists, who must try to save European capitalism from itself, so be it. Not out of love for European capitalism, for the eurozone, for Brussels, or for the European Central Bank, but just because we want to minimise the unnecessary human toll from this crisis.

 :ussrcry

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Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Samson Manhug on July 07, 2015, 07:19:10 PM
Seems a pretty good time for this question:

What does Nachrichtensturmbann translate to literally? I am familiar with German but not enough to translate that and Google isn't helping. I understand it means Signals Battalion (military communications/IT) but I want to know the etymology.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on July 07, 2015, 07:36:31 PM
one of the germans can prolly get at you, but in german you usually can break a long word up in smaller words for easier translation

nachricht (-en, plur.)
strum
bann
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Samson Manhug on July 07, 2015, 07:44:11 PM
I got that far already, thanks. Sturm means storm. Nachrichten according to Google means news. But it's not actually a news storm, it's a signals battalion. I'm just curious about the word. I know Sturm is used in lots of German units and translates loosely as assault but is used in lots of non-assault unit names.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 07, 2015, 07:46:04 PM
Nachrict - message, derived from "to right" (richten) originally.

Sturm - storm literally, came to be a military term in World War I (iirc). Sturm und Drang. :aah

Bann - unit (?), dates back to the feudal legal concept ban. (Cf. Heerbann)

Put it together and you get message-military unit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Samson Manhug on July 07, 2015, 07:48:29 PM
A++++++ post would read again
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Samson Manhug on July 07, 2015, 07:53:11 PM
So literally it translates to messages assault unit. This is funny to me because modern cyber units also try to make themselves dangerous sounding in the same way that the Germans added Sturm. Nachrichtensturmmann is today's DoD cyber warrior.

(http://i.imgur.com/xphOKsc.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 07, 2015, 08:13:09 PM
TBH I'm a bit surprised they use Sturmbann since it was a term used in the structure of the Nazi's parallel military. (e.g. a Sturmbannfuhrer was an SS rank.)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 08, 2015, 10:52:30 AM
Asking Merkel to lead. :rofl
http://www.thenation.com/article/austerity-has-failed-an-open-letter-from-thomas-piketty-to-angela-merkel/

She will do what the polls say and the polls say put a boot on Greece's neck, sorry.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Fifstar on July 08, 2015, 11:14:36 AM
Quote from: Vularai on July 07, 2015, 08:13:09 PM
TBH I'm a bit surprised they use Sturmbann since it was a term used in the structure of the Nazi's parallel military. (e.g. a Sturmbannfuhrer was an SS rank.)


Where would it be used other than with regards to the SS?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 08, 2015, 12:28:13 PM
From the flow of the conversation I thought we were talking about a unit in the present day Bundeswehr that also used that name, hence my surprise. Did I misunderstand that?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 08, 2015, 01:28:31 PM
Quote from: Vularai on July 08, 2015, 12:28:13 PM
From the flow of the conversation I thought we were talking about a unit in the present day Bundeswehr that also used that name, hence my surprise. Did I misunderstand that?
That terminology definitely isn't used any more. The current equivalent of Nachrichtensturmbann would probably be Fernmeldebataillon. Back to good old French.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 08, 2015, 02:47:52 PM
I used to play bass for Pro-Putin Troll Factory.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on July 09, 2015, 11:28:21 AM
Quote from: Rufus on July 08, 2015, 10:52:30 AM
Asking Merkel to lead. :rofl
http://www.thenation.com/article/austerity-has-failed-an-open-letter-from-thomas-piketty-to-angela-merkel/

She will do what the polls say and the polls say put a boot on Greece's neck, sorry.

(http://i.imgur.com/nCykvDi.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 09, 2015, 11:40:08 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkel-Raute
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 09, 2015, 11:43:39 AM
I just thought she was a big Diamond Dallas Page fan
 :idont
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on July 09, 2015, 11:43:47 AM
Quote from: Rufus on July 09, 2015, 11:40:08 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkel-Raute
the antisense to hov's roc  :ohhh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 09, 2015, 05:42:11 PM
http://www.mediapart.fr/en/journal/international/080715/we-underestimated-their-power-greek-government-insider-lifts-lid-five-months-humiliation-and-blackm?onglet=full

Quote
'We underestimated their power': Greek government insider lifts the lid on five months of 'humiliation' and 'blackmail'
08 JULY 2015 |  BY CHRISTIAN SALMON

In this interview with Mediapart, a senior advisor to the Greek government, who has been at the heart of the past five months of negotiations between Athens and its international creditors, reveals the details of what resembles a game of liar’s dice over the fate of a nation that has been brought to its economic and social knees. His account gives a rare and disturbing insight into the process which has led up to this week’s make-or-break deadline for reaching a bailout deal between Greece and international lenders, without which the country faces crashing out of the euro and complete bankruptcy. He describes the extraordinary bullying of Greece’s radical-left government by the creditors, including Eurogroup president Jeroen Dijsselbloem’s direct threat to cause the collapse of the Hellenic banks if it failed to sign-up to a drastic austerity programme. “We went into a war thinking we had the same weapons as them”, he says. “We underestimated their power”.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 10, 2015, 05:24:09 PM
Senior Advisor: "We're idiots!"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 10, 2015, 05:25:44 PM
I kept wandering how revealing the speech patterns must have been to people who know this person.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on July 10, 2015, 05:30:56 PM
Quote from: Rufus on July 08, 2015, 10:52:30 AM
She will do what the polls say and the polls say put a boot on Greece's neck, sorry.

Pulling the boot on the neck, how peculiar for Germans.
Anyway Europe is really playing hard on its TINA motto, aren't they ?  :-\
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 10, 2015, 05:31:39 PM
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On former finance minister Yanis Varoufakis:

People are asking why he is supposed to be so unpopular with the Eurogroup and the people in power, why they don't like him. And a lot of people say they don't like him because he appears to be lecturing them, because of being arrogant. He thinks this is an academic issue, an economic issue or a technical issue. But what I think is that all these people - especially people in politics, in power, the Eurogroup, fellow ministers - they have seen a phenomenon that is much more different than anything they have encountered in their circle, from those elected, in the normal process of politics.

Because you have a man that has his own style of dressing, he is very self-confident, at the same time he is very friendly, very open, very honest. You know, you ask him a question and he doesn't spin around, he doesn't change the subject, and so this creates difficulty, both to the politician and the journalist, [to] the media. These are two things that show that Varoufakis doesn't fit, but on the other hand he is a celebrity and he creates clashing emotions. You hate him or you love him.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 10, 2015, 05:33:46 PM
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The Eurogroup is not a proper democratically-functioning body. They [the Greek government of Alexis Tsipras] discovered that, again, very late, when they [the Eurogroup] wanted to throw Varoufakis out after the referendum announcement. Which was basically a gesture to humiliate. Varoufakis says "Who decides that?" Dijsselbloem says "I decide". Shouldn't there be a vote, shouldn't there be unanimity? Yes but it's not necessarily recorded, there are no minutes taken. He was taping, others too. Why? Because there are no minutes taken. So there is nothing formal.

You can't say "I went to the Eurogroup and Italy said that, Cyprus said that” et cetera. So everybody can come out and say anything they like. No-one can say: "Are you sure you said that? Let’s look at the minutes". There are no minutes. Of course, nobody can come out with a tape recorder. Varoufakis said that of course he kept the minutes of his own, because he was to report to the prime minister, and the others do it too. And the others came shouting "Oh! Varoufakis admitted this, and that".

The other countries in such a set-up had to think [German finance minister Wolfgang] Schäuble is the king, he controls the others, he can raise his voice and say “no". Varoufakis has described incidents that show really how the Eurozone is completely undemocratic, an almost neo-fascist euro dictatorship. You cannot rely on what the others are saying. Varoufakis says that if he could negotiate with one at a time for an hour, the deal would be struck in a day. But you can't do that because each one has different priorities and different people telling him “no”.

You cannot argue too much with Schäuble. It would be dangerous, because you won't get finance, German banks will want their money back, and so on. So it’s a institution where you cannot make your voice heard, so what's the point in encountering [them]? There was no-one else but Varoufakis talking straight. Schäuble has said "How much money do you want [in order] to leave the euro?" He doesn't want Greece in the euro at all. He was the first to raise the issue of a Grexit back in 2011.
:hitler
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 10, 2015, 05:34:45 PM
I should translate some Varoufakis headlines from our press. At one point our main shit-rag tabloid got upset about his bike. They were blowing up the fact that it's a "naked" bike, as if there's a hot babe strapped to it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 10, 2015, 05:40:37 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on July 10, 2015, 05:30:56 PM
Quote from: Rufus on July 08, 2015, 10:52:30 AM
She will do what the polls say and the polls say put a boot on Greece's neck, sorry.

Pulling the boot on the neck, how peculiar for Germans.
Anyway Europe is really playing hard on its TINA motto, aren't they ?  :-\
Am deutschen Wesen mag die Welt genesen. :goty2

Yup, eat shit or die.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on July 10, 2015, 05:49:48 PM
was it the german or the british press who was furious about a picture of Varoufakis wearing a nice scarf? that was probably my favorite.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 10, 2015, 06:34:03 PM
Quote from: Rufus on July 10, 2015, 05:34:45 PM
I should translate some Varoufakis headlines from our press. At one point our main shit-rag tabloid got upset about his bike. They were blowing up the fact that it's a "naked" bike, as if there's a hot babe strapped to it.

Naked bikes are usually cheaper than the sportbikes they're derived from. A true proletarian hero. :ussrcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 10, 2015, 06:46:12 PM
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Greece’s international creditors believe its latest debt proposals are positive enough to be the basis for a new bailout worth 74 billion euros, an EU source said Friday.

“There has been positive evaluation of the Greek programme,” the source said, with the EU’s bailout fund, the European Stability Mechanism ready to consider putting up €58bn plus €16 bn from the International Monetary Fund for a new debt rescue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZxAlAsgv_Q
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 10, 2015, 06:47:59 PM
Article by former Valve economist:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/10/germany-greek-pain-debt-relief-grexit
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Germany won’t spare Greek pain – it has an interest in breaking us
Debt restructuring has always been our aim in negotiations – but for some eurozone leaders Grexit is the goal
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 10, 2015, 08:31:11 PM
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ATHENS, Greece — Greek parliament passes motion allowing reform proposals to be used as basis for negotiations.

250/300 apparently.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 10, 2015, 08:56:53 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/f8Ng3rg.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 11, 2015, 12:04:59 AM
Grexit makes me think of Grixis.

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Grixis is a world of death, darkness, undead, hatred, envy, and a lot of other bad things.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 11, 2015, 12:40:45 AM
Shards of Europa
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 11, 2015, 09:10:49 AM
Quote from: Rufus on July 10, 2015, 05:34:45 PM
I should translate some Varoufakis headlines from our press. At one point our main shit-rag tabloid got upset about his bike. They were blowing up the fact that it's a "naked" bike, as if there's a hot babe strapped to it.
Jan Böhnermann saves me all the work and does it hilariously so. :rejoice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktqKNu4N9Ds

Olivier Blanchard's oopsie-woopsies
http://blog-imfdirect.imf.org/2015/07/09/greece-past-critiques-and-the-path-forward/
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Partly as a result of this delay, an important fraction of the funds in the first program were used to pay short term creditors, and to replace private debt by official debt. The bail-out did not however only benefit foreign banks, but also Greek depositors and households, as one-third of the debt was held by Greek banks and other Greek financial institutions.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 11, 2015, 11:34:26 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_parliamentary_election,_2017

 :hitler
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 12, 2015, 08:36:09 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 11, 2015, 11:34:26 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_parliamentary_election,_2017

 :hitler

Get rekt, Progressives. :pirate
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 12, 2015, 03:24:50 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2015/jul/12/greek-debt-crisis-eu-leaders-meeting-cancelled-no-deal-live#block-55a2aca5e4b07fc6a121fc4b

"Fall in line, scum." Ugh. German arrogance in full swing. Schäuble is in divide and conquer mode, it seems. :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 12, 2015, 04:27:07 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 11, 2015, 11:34:26 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_parliamentary_election,_2017

 :hitler

I weathered the indignity of Berlin's pirate party, I can weather this too. *thinks happy thoughts*
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on July 12, 2015, 09:51:26 PM
in more classical doom & gloom: http://www.worldpolicy.org/journal/fall2013/Russia-surveillance
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 12, 2015, 10:48:06 PM
Public purchase of the debt just further incentivizes the fucked situation in banking where more and more capital concentrates and society has to step in when things go awry because the threat of contagion is too great.

I mean it'll likely work, but when economic historians look back at this era they're just going to go :neogaf at the abusive relationship that's being enabled.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 13, 2015, 12:22:44 AM
I won't really ask how much wishful thinking latitude I get since your plan isn't exactly possible with the current German government, but:

I prefer strong arming large debt holders into accepting livable terms of repayment (like so long to the point where it's not particularly profitable to have held the debt but there's still remittance) with the threat of an ordered bankruptcy. The Greek government has a headache for a long time that won't punish its citizens like the current debacle has, the debt holders will get a middling sum for letting it fall apart this badly, and Western civilization doesn't implode or w/e.

Why this course of action? Because most of the debt holders are national governments at this point. (Only ~60 billion--lol only 60 billion--of Greece's debt is held privately. Its total debt is like 300 billion euros.)

I'd also like to see a whole lot of politicians, financial types, and others tried and put in jail but I'll settle for a gentle purging of Greece's political class to ensure it's difficult for something like this to ever happen again on their end.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 13, 2015, 08:45:09 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jul/13/athens-and-eurozone-agree-bailout-deal-for-greece

Welp, they got bent over a barrel. Fucking hell. So much for regaining trust, huh?

There's no way Tsipras will manage to pass this shit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: fizzel on July 13, 2015, 08:59:16 AM
Wondered how long it'd take for them to offer tsipras his 30 pieces of silver.

Europhiliac bellends will continue cheering on this farce of a project of course, the biggest privatisation scam in history.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 13, 2015, 09:31:38 AM
Take a look at this wonderful agreement:
http://t.co/4OeNBKtyqv (PDF)
http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2015/07/12-euro-summit-statement-greece/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 13, 2015, 11:10:14 AM
Why are half of the funds from the sale of public assets going to capitalize banks?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 13, 2015, 11:49:44 AM
The German government has a raging hate-boner for inflation, even the measly 1.9% target of the Eurozone.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 13, 2015, 01:18:56 PM
Quote from: Vularai on July 13, 2015, 11:10:14 AM
Why are half of the funds from the sale of public assets going to capitalize banks?
(http://i.imgur.com/f8Ng3rg.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 13, 2015, 03:15:47 PM
http://m.spiegel.de/international/germany/a-1042023.html

The machine gun of democracy. :gun
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on July 14, 2015, 04:53:06 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 13, 2015, 01:18:56 PM
Quote from: Vularai on July 13, 2015, 11:10:14 AM
Why are half of the funds from the sale of public assets going to capitalize banks?
(http://i.imgur.com/f8Ng3rg.png)

Pls photoshop dealwithit glasses on him. Kthxbye
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 14, 2015, 05:34:46 AM
I said this to Walrus and I'll say it here, being tough of Greece is not about Greece at all.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 14, 2015, 05:45:37 AM
There is so much hate from poor North Western Europeans directed towards immigrants it makes me sick to my stomach.

These people think that closing the borders will magically solve their economic problems, when an influx of cheap labour is probably one of the few things keeping things moving along in some way in Europe.

The whole post war generation is about to go into retirement soon and someone will have to pay to support them.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2015, 06:14:44 AM
This is the standard refrain on immigration throughout history.

The social welfare states just make it starker that some people aren't considered part of or allowed into society proper.

It's the same thing in the United States where immigrants are seen as lazy grifters come to steal from the people already here. The common reality that they're often alone, live austere lives and often try desperately to fit in or at least not attract attention just makes them worse somehow.

Really, it often seems that the second generation are the "troublemakers" because they're caught between two societies effectively, the third generation has usually settled into the new one.

Note: This doesn't apply to the Jews or Roma. They loot the populace for personal gain and to benefit their race only from the start and for time immemorial. That's why they're so insidious.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 14, 2015, 07:14:32 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 14, 2015, 06:14:44 AM
Note: This doesn't apply to the Jews or Roma. They loot the populace for personal gain and to benefit their race only from the start and for time immemorial. That's why they're so insidious.
Don't forget the muslims. They're all agents of a future caliphate.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2015, 07:31:01 AM
Obama blinks, caves in completely to Iran just like Valerie Jarrett would want:
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According to a 159-page document posted online by Russia’s foreign ministry, which it called the final text of the deal, a U.N. resolution lifting sanctions will also express the Security Council’s “desire to build a new relationship with Iran.”

The text says also that Iran has vowed that “under no circumstances” will it ever “seek, develop or acquire any nuclear weapons.” And it describes a joint commission composed of its seven parties to monitor the deal’s implementation.

One issue that will draw close scrutiny from nuclear experts is Iran’s ability to research advanced nuclear technologies while its program is constrained by a deal. Iran now relies on 1970s-era centrifuges to enrich uranium, which are highly inefficient. The document posted by Russian foreign ministry says that after 8˝eight and a half years Iran can begin testing up to 30 modern IR-6 and IR-8 centrifuges. Analysts fear that, if Iran masters top-quality centrifuges, it might be capable of producing a bomb in a matter of months or weeks soon after the deal’s main restrictions lift in a decade.

On an issue that snagged the talks in their final days, the deal will free Iran from an arms embargo after five years, Obama said Tuesday.
(http://images.politico.com/global/2015/07/14/150714_iran_ap_1160_1160x629.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2015, 07:47:06 AM
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A. Stanton Dallas, TX 3 hours ago
A peace-for-our-time-deal if ever there was one.

A legacy not worth the paper it is written on.

A huge and lasting gift to Russia and China in exchange for help and support rendered to Iran in the course of these negotiations.

The day the U.S. permanently became another Europe.

A lasting stain on America’s reputation for standing by its allies that will sully its good name and reputation for generations.

A tragic end to the dreams of millions of people in the Middle East hoping to escape domination and oppressive rule by Iran.

A catastrophe for the Democratic Party.

Those braying sounds of laughter you are now hearing in the distance. They are coming from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, the State Department, the Ayatollah’s prayer houses, the editorial, op-ed and comment sections of the NY Times, the offices of J-Street and everywhere else that enemies of Israel gather.

Democracy’s only outpost in the Middle East; the only Jewish country in the world; the country looked at by most Jews in the world as their spiritual home and refuge in times of crisis. This hideous deal must not stand.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 14, 2015, 11:17:52 AM
I live in a city with a large immigrant population and my fellow denizens are more American than I'll ever be yet anti-immigration types would see their community torn up but leave me alone.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on July 14, 2015, 04:58:12 PM
Quote from: Premium Lager on July 14, 2015, 05:45:37 AM
There is so much hate from poor North Western Europeans directed towards immigrants it makes me sick to my stomach.

These people think that closing the borders will magically solve their economic problems, when an influx of cheap labour is probably one of the few things keeping things moving along in some way in Europe.

The whole post war generation is about to go into retirement soon and someone will have to pay to support them.

The problem now is not to have cheap labour, but seems the existence of enough jobs at all. The problem is that saying it out loud would force to challenge the core of our society.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 14, 2015, 05:26:01 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on July 14, 2015, 04:58:12 PM
Quote from: Premium Lager on July 14, 2015, 05:45:37 AM
There is so much hate from poor North Western Europeans directed towards immigrants it makes me sick to my stomach.

These people think that closing the borders will magically solve their economic problems, when an influx of cheap labour is probably one of the few things keeping things moving along in some way in Europe.

The whole post war generation is about to go into retirement soon and someone will have to pay to support them.

The problem now is not to have cheap labour, but seems the existence of enough jobs at all. The problem is that saying it out loud would force to challenge the core of our society.
Eh, we have more jobless people than jobs, but we're now acting like they are just not trying hard enough. We can live in denial of structural joblessness, the rise of shit jobs (which don't pay enough to pay a substantial or any amount of taxes), and we even applaud the growing number of soup kitchens, so...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 14, 2015, 08:39:17 PM
Does Iran have a nuclear bomb yet?
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 15, 2015, 01:57:35 PM
I guess the big question now is whether the GOP can put together enough opposition in Congress to stall or block this deal somehow. It goes without saying that Obama would use every tool in his arsenal as the chief executive to stop them from messing it up, but if the GOP gets themselves sufficiently worked into a frenzy, there's no telling how this might all play out over the next few months.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 15, 2015, 03:48:39 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 14, 2015, 07:47:06 AM
The day the U.S. permanently became another Europe.

this does seem bad - other than "final countdown" what does anyone remember of them?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on July 15, 2015, 04:25:17 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 15, 2015, 01:57:35 PM
I guess the big question now is whether the GOP can put together enough opposition in Congress to stall or block this deal somehow. It goes without saying that Obama would use every tool in his arsenal as the chief executive to stop them from messing it up, but if the GOP gets themselves sufficiently worked into a frenzy, there's no telling how this might all play out over the next few months.

They won't do shit. All talk and no action.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brawndolicious on July 15, 2015, 05:49:36 PM
The funny thing is that they have to oppose it to win their primaries but a year from now they'll have to back away from it hard. Assuming Iran is cooperating and there isn't some diplomatic meltdown (pun intended).

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Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 15, 2015, 08:56:06 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on July 15, 2015, 05:49:36 PM
The funny thing is that they have to oppose it to win their primaries but a year from now they'll have to back away from it hard. Assuming Iran is cooperating and there isn't some diplomatic meltdown (pun intended).

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They'll never let it go. There's no negative to absolute opposition. They can dance away from "so you want war instead?" questions as they always do, play the tough guy, and rake in donations.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 15, 2015, 09:14:12 PM
We welcome them into the family of nuclear powers?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 15, 2015, 09:46:33 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on July 15, 2015, 09:04:21 PM
What happens if they decide to go full speed ahead for a bomb after 10 or 15 years?

Presumably the same thing that would happen in the absence of a deal.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 15, 2015, 10:10:31 PM
http://www.smartertimes.com/1423/the-times-yalta-flip-flop-and-iran
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It's taken 70 years, but the New York Times has finally seen the light on the matter of Yalta.

Or at least the editor of its editorial page has. That's what I gather from a post by Andrew Rosenthal at "Taking Note," the blog of the Times editorial page. As part of a long list of "most destructive foreign policy decisions," Mr. Rosenthal lists "the decision to carve up Europe with Stalin, creating the Soviet bloc, sparking a nuclear arms race and leaving entire nations in bondage to the Kremlin for a half century."

It's terrific that the senior editorial leadership of the Times has come around to this view of the agreement struck by Roosevelt, Churchill, and Stalin in February of 1945. It's been a long time in coming. In its post-Yalta editorial of February 13, 1945, headlined "For Victory and Peace," the Times pronounced that "the first glance" at the "long and detailed agreements" indicated that they "show the way to an early victory in Europe, to a secure peace, and to a brighter world." The Times editorial described Yalta's resolution of the "troublesome problems represented by the names of Poland and Yugoslavia" as "a compromise that will have to be accepted on all sides as the best that can be obtained in the present troubled world."
:lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 15, 2015, 10:24:31 PM
The deal doesn't sound great to me...but I'm not sure why folks were expecting a perfect or even great deal. It's a compromise. And ultimately I'll take it over the alternatives, which are war or a continued state of antagonism/sabre rattling that benefits no one except hardliners and arms dealers. If Iran breaks the deal they'll get shitcanned again by sanctions. With money flowing in/oil flowing out they should be able to increase their influence and continue to challenge Saudi Arabia. That seems far more important and lucrative than taking pot shots at Israel, whose influence seems to be waning.

I'm no expert and will defer to our Eldesr person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation statesmen, Mandark and Kara, of course.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 15, 2015, 10:34:39 PM
Really, Israel's only been such a factor in the region because it was the one thing everybody agreed on. But that's also led to it becoming kinda just something to go through the motions on. Now that these countries are actually developing their own more modern economies and running into their own modern political issues and so on, Israel isn't as important to Syria as say ISIS swallowing up half their territory.

All of which has probably been the person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation plot from the beginning.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 15, 2015, 10:35:24 PM
And by beginning I mean 6000 years ago at the start of the Earth.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 15, 2015, 11:27:04 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/1SwQzWT.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brawndolicious on July 16, 2015, 02:17:23 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 15, 2015, 08:56:06 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on July 15, 2015, 05:49:36 PM
The funny thing is that they have to oppose it to win their primaries but a year from now they'll have to back away from it hard. Assuming Iran is cooperating and there isn't some diplomatic meltdown (pun intended).

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They'll never let it go. There's no negative to absolute opposition. They can dance away from "so you want war instead?" questions as they always do, play the tough guy, and rake in donations.

Is it so important to get donations when you're in the last few months and the only conservative choice? While it took a long time to change some people's minds on healthcare, I think war in the middle east is a much simpler thing to argue against since Americans have experienced it for a decade and a half.

The situation a year from now will probably be undecided voters seeing that this was an actual solution employed on the neighbor of a country we wrongly invaded and left in the hands of a terroristical caliphate. I don't think undecideds will vote for another Bush who doesn't take a more moderate tone and Jeb is probably smart enough to try to think a way out of that trap.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 16, 2015, 02:20:41 AM
Jeb! is the guy who blundered his way into reintroducing the whole Iraq debate on the first official day of his campaign. I wouldn't underestimate his incompetence.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 16, 2015, 02:28:22 AM
Quote from: Rufus on July 14, 2015, 05:26:01 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on July 14, 2015, 04:58:12 PM
Quote from: Premium Lager on July 14, 2015, 05:45:37 AM
There is so much hate from poor North Western Europeans directed towards immigrants it makes me sick to my stomach.

These people think that closing the borders will magically solve their economic problems, when an influx of cheap labour is probably one of the few things keeping things moving along in some way in Europe.

The whole post war generation is about to go into retirement soon and someone will have to pay to support them.

The problem now is not to have cheap labour, but seems the existence of enough jobs at all. The problem is that saying it out loud would force to challenge the core of our society.
Eh, we have more jobless people than jobs, but we're now acting like they are just not trying hard enough. We can live in denial of structural joblessness, the rise of shit jobs (which don't pay enough to pay a substantial or any amount of taxes), and we even applaud the growing number of soup kitchens, so...

Well I def think the middle class is disappearing everywhere, its just being masked by more and cheaper products

Cheap chains are the only retail on the rise, its a race to the bottok
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 16, 2015, 02:31:48 AM
Hope those crusty fucks are happy now they chose greece over poland in yalta

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 16, 2015, 09:24:00 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on July 16, 2015, 02:17:23 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 15, 2015, 08:56:06 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on July 15, 2015, 05:49:36 PM
The funny thing is that they have to oppose it to win their primaries but a year from now they'll have to back away from it hard. Assuming Iran is cooperating and there isn't some diplomatic meltdown (pun intended).

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They'll never let it go. There's no negative to absolute opposition. They can dance away from "so you want war instead?" questions as they always do, play the tough guy, and rake in donations.

Is it so important to get donations when you're in the last few months and the only conservative choice? While it took a long time to change some people's minds on healthcare, I think war in the middle east is a much simpler thing to argue against since Americans have experienced it for a decade and a half.

The situation a year from now will probably be undecided voters seeing that this was an actual solution employed on the neighbor of a country we wrongly invaded and left in the hands of a terroristical caliphate. I don't think undecideds will vote for another Bush who doesn't take a more moderate tone and Jeb is probably smart enough to try to think a way out of that trap.

We're talking about the party that's still doing investigations into the Benghazi attack, nearly three years after it happened. That's voted more than 50 times to destroy Obamacare, that still wants to get rid of it even though that's virtually impossible now. I think you're seriously underestimating their willingness to toss piles of red meat to their base.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on July 16, 2015, 11:43:55 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/16/angela-merkel-comforts-teenage-palestinian-asylum-seeker-germany

To be on the receiving end of Mutti's searing compassion :lawd
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on July 16, 2015, 11:46:55 AM
I refuse to watch that video.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brawndolicious on July 16, 2015, 03:05:00 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 16, 2015, 09:24:00 AM
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Quote from: am nintenho on July 15, 2015, 05:49:36 PM
The funny thing is that they have to oppose it to win their primaries but a year from now they'll have to back away from it hard. Assuming Iran is cooperating and there isn't some diplomatic meltdown (pun intended).

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They'll never let it go. There's no negative to absolute opposition. They can dance away from "so you want war instead?" questions as they always do, play the tough guy, and rake in donations.

Is it so important to get donations when you're in the last few months and the only conservative choice? While it took a long time to change some people's minds on healthcare, I think war in the middle east is a much simpler thing to argue against since Americans have experienced it for a decade and a half.

The situation a year from now will probably be undecided voters seeing that this was an actual solution employed on the neighbor of a country we wrongly invaded and left in the hands of a terroristical caliphate. I don't think undecideds will vote for another Bush who doesn't take a more moderate tone and Jeb is probably smart enough to try to think a way out of that trap.

We're talking about the party that's still doing investigations into the Benghazi attack, nearly three years after it happened. That's voted more than 50 times to destroy Obamacare, that still wants to get rid of it even though that's virtually impossible now. I think you're seriously underestimating their willingness to toss piles of red meat to their base.

I've only been able to vote through a couple presidential elections but I think this has happened before. Maybe with somebody named Romney or McCain. I mean I'm sure a Ted Cruz or Rand Paul type candidate will stick to their morals but most of the moderate, very well funded candidates are going to be flip flopping based on the next state they have a primary in.

A year from now, they'll be asked what the advantages would have been of maintaining sanctions or even doing an airstrike, and they'll either say that there should be no negotiating with a state sponsor of terrorism and a military strike was okay to do or that maybe it would have allowed them to bargain from a position of greater power if they maintained sanctions for longer. They'll give both answers at different times and places. Bookmark this shit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 16, 2015, 03:12:12 PM
Hey, I hope your optimism proves out, but I haven't forgotten that this is the same group of people who sent a letter directly to the leaders of Iran telling them they'd scuttle any deal Obama made and invited a foreign leader behind Obama's back to trash the negotiations before a joint session of Congress. I'm just really unwilling to give them any benefit of a doubt.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on July 16, 2015, 03:25:44 PM
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Mandark on July 16, 2015, 04:26:45 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 15, 2015, 01:57:35 PM
I guess the big question now is whether the GOP can put together enough opposition in Congress to stall or block this deal somehow. It goes without saying that Obama would use every tool in his arsenal as the chief executive to stop them from messing it up, but if the GOP gets themselves sufficiently worked into a frenzy, there's no telling how this might all play out over the next few months.

Because of previous legislation, Congress doesn't need to pass anything for the deal to go through, but they would need to pass a bill to stop it.  Obama's not about to sign anything like that so they'd need a 2/3rds majority in both houses.  The greater threat is that President Jeb or whoever scraps the deal, but even then I'm optimistic.  It would mean withdrawing inspectors and letting the sanctions fall apart, which is maybe too much of an own goal to ignore for publicity's sake.

Of course maybe Iran pushes its luck too much on the implementation and there's friction and it goes pear shaped anyways, but this is still a big fuckin' deal.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2015, 05:41:36 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/21/uk-iran-nuclear-kerry-idUKKCN0PV0KG20150721
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U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said a speech by Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei on Saturday vowing to defy American policies in the region despite a deal with world powers over Tehran's nuclear programme was "very disturbing".

"I don't know how to interpret it at this point in time, except to take it at face value, that that's his policy," he said in the interview with Saudi-owned Al Arabiya television, parts of which the network quoted on Tuesday.

"But I do know that often comments are made publicly and things can evolve that are different. If it is the policy, it's very disturbing, it's very troubling," he added.

Ayatollah Khamenei told supporters on Saturday that U.S. policies in the region were "180 degrees" opposed to Iran's, at a speech in a Tehran mosque punctuated by chants of "Death to America" and "Death to Israel".

"Even after this deal our policy towards the arrogant U.S. will not change," Khamenei said.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on July 21, 2015, 06:33:12 PM
Enh.... I can only imagine the Ayatollah's power is not going to be reinforced by saying, "Great news! The evil country we have forever told you was evil, well -- guess what -- we just made a great deal with them!"

We'll have observers in-country to keep them in line, who gives a flying diarrhetic bowel movement what the guy says to keep his herd in line?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2015, 06:45:37 PM
http://www.wsj.com/articles/a-richer-iran-will-target-the-americas-1437342912
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In the foreword to the 2014 book “Iran’s Strategic Penetration of Latin America,” former Colombian Defense Minister Marta Lucía Ramírez wrote that Venezuela’s “ ‘axis of unity’ with Iran embodies Latin America’s growing distance” from the U.S. “This is not to distract from the many conflicts the U.S. is engaging in the Middle East or elsewhere,” she noted. But she wanted “to remind our northern neighbors of the kind of disengagement in Latin America that led to a nuclear standoff in 1962.”

Now the Obama administration has agreed to phase out many economic sanctions on Iran in exchange for its promises to disable parts of its nuclear program. The deal provides for winding down international restrictions on trade and investment with Iran. It is also expected to gradually liberate more than $100 billion in Iranian assets frozen by the U.S. and other countries.

This means that even if the agreement prevents Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, it will make the world less safe. National Security Adviser Susan Rice admitted as much last Wednesday when CNN’s Wolf Blitzer asked if “support [for] international terrorism” might be one use for the liberated assets. “In fact,” Ms. Rice said, “we should expect that some portion of that money would go to the Iranian military and could potentially be used for the kinds of bad behavior that we have seen in the region up until now.”

And not only in the Mideast. One likely destination for some of that money will be the Islamic Republic’s military, ideological and terrorist activities in the U.S. backyard. As Joseph Humire, executive director of the Washington-based Center for a Secure Free Society, put it to me last week, “if Iran gets access to the global financial system, they’re going to double down in Latin America.”

...

Propaganda is an Iranian priority. HispanTV, launched in 2011, is a Spanish-language channel run by Iran. It has partnership agreements with state-run television in a number of ALBA countries. In his 2014 book, “Remote Control,” the respected Bolivian journalist Raúl Peńaranda alleged that Iran’s former President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad donated $3 million to President Evo Morales to finance and equip Bolivia’s state-owned television station Abya Yala.

Gen. Douglas Fraser , former head of the United States Southern Command, testified to Congress three years ago that Iran was backing at least 36 Shiite Islamic cultural centers in Central America, the Caribbean and South America. This year Gen. John Kelly, who now runs Southern Command, testified that there are more than 80.

Last October a Hezbollah operative was arrested in Lima on suspicion of plotting terrorism in Peru. Press reports said that police discovered detonators and TNT in his home, and evidence that he may have been scouting out the Jorge Chávez International Airport for a possible attack.

President Obama is boasting that his deal is Reaganesque. But Reagan did not abandon Latin America to enemies of liberty.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brawndolicious on July 21, 2015, 06:47:28 PM
It honestly doesn't sound like he said anything that inflammatory. I would be nervous if he actually said anything specific but why would he let his president do the deal if he wanted to jihad it all?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2015, 06:50:55 PM
UNTRUSTWORTHY, LIARS, CAN'T TRUST 'EM, MAD MULLAHS

MAD

MULLAHS
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2015, 09:32:16 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/22/world/middleeast/isis-transforming-into-functioning-state-that-uses-terror-as-tool.html
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ISTANBUL — The Islamic State uses terror to force obedience and frighten enemies. It has seized territory, destroyed antiquities, slaughtered minorities, forced women into sexual slavery and turned children into killers.

But its officials are apparently resistant to bribes, and in that way, at least, it has outdone the corrupt Syrian and Iraqi governments it routed, residents and experts say.

“You can travel from Raqqa to Mosul and no one will dare to stop you even if you carry $1 million,” said Bilal, who lives in Raqqa, the Islamic State’s de facto capital in Syria, and, out of fear, insisted on being identified only by his first name. “No one would dare to take even one dollar.”

The Islamic State, also known as ISIS, ISIL and Daesh, initially functioned solely as a terrorist organization, if one more coldblooded even than Al Qaeda. Then it went on to seize land.

But increasingly, as it holds that territory and builds a capacity to govern, the group is transforming into a functioning state that uses extreme violence — terror — as a tool.
Uh...yeah...what else do you expect a state to do?!?

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That distinction is proving to be more than a matter of perspective for those who live under the Islamic State, which has provided relative stability in a region troubled by war and chaos while filling a vacuum left by failing and corrupt governments that also employed violence — arrest, torture and detention.

While no one is predicting that the Islamic State will become steward of an accountable, functioning state anytime soon, the group is putting in place the kinds of measures associated with governance: issuing identification cards for residents, promulgating fishing guidelines to preserve stocks, requiring that cars carry tool kits for emergencies. That transition may demand that the West rethink its military-first approach to combating the group.

“I think that there is no question that the way to look at it is as a revolutionary state-building organization,” said Stephen M. Walt, a professor of international affairs at the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard. He is one of a small but growing group of experts who are challenging the conventional wisdom about the Islamic State: that its evil ensures its eventual destruction.

...

"Honestly, both are dirty, the regime and Daesh,” said Ahmed, owner of an antiques shop who recently fled to Raqqa to avoid airstrikes in outlying areas. But the Islamic State, he said, “is more acceptable here in Raqqa.”

Ahmed, who gave only his first name for fear of reprisals, has also lived under the Free Syrian Army, or F.S.A., the rebel group that rose up in 2011 to fight the Syrian government. The F.S.A., he said, is “like the regime. They are thieves.”

Under the Islamic State, he said, life can be brutal, but at least it seems more stable for those who can avoid crossing the group’s leaders. “Here they are implementing God’s regulations,” he said. “The killer is killed. The adulterer is stoned. The thief’s hands are cut.”

A similar sentiment helped the Taliban consolidate power two decades ago in Afghanistan: While the Taliban were feared, and their justice was brutal, they were respected by many Afghans for standing against corruption and chaos — and they remained firmly in control until the American invasion in 2001.
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 23, 2015, 07:44:52 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/NpWFCao.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on July 23, 2015, 07:54:49 AM
:rofl
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 23, 2015, 08:49:02 AM
*smirks bourgeoisly*
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 28, 2015, 10:30:16 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/27/labour-is-now-so-passive-it-might-as-well-be-led-by-an-out-of-office-email (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/27/labour-is-now-so-passive-it-might-as-well-be-led-by-an-out-of-office-email)

 :whoo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on August 06, 2015, 05:58:29 PM
http://www.vice.com/read/danish-newspaper-creates-graph-about-african-american-stars-876

americans failing to grasp sophisticated european humor again and again.  ::)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on August 06, 2015, 06:23:53 PM
Call Malcolm X evil brehs.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 06, 2015, 06:28:14 PM
Where does Zwarte Piet fall on the graph?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: T-Short on August 06, 2015, 06:38:41 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on July 28, 2015, 10:30:16 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/27/labour-is-now-so-passive-it-might-as-well-be-led-by-an-out-of-office-email (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/27/labour-is-now-so-passive-it-might-as-well-be-led-by-an-out-of-office-email)

 :whoo

His new one is awesome too

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/commentisfree/2015/aug/03/cameron-swarm-plague-god-migrants-calais (http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/commentisfree/2015/aug/03/cameron-swarm-plague-god-migrants-calais)

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That’s the British for you: criticising people fleeing genocide for pushing their children over a perimeter fence, when we’d do it for a 40% discount off an Asda telly.

 :lol

:bow Frankie :bow2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on August 06, 2015, 06:42:22 PM
Quote from: Vularai on August 06, 2015, 06:23:53 PM
Call Malcolm X evil brehs.

he put his pink penis in an iranian and produced two (2) post-racial children, hasn't he done enough for the cause?? you people are never satisfied smh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on August 06, 2015, 06:48:49 PM
Disappointed that that Guardian article wasn't about Grandfather Nurgle. It even had "plague god" in the URL. :'(
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Samson Manhug on August 06, 2015, 11:03:16 PM
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WASHINGTON -- A video purporting to show U.S.-trained fighters captured in Syria could not be independently verified, but there's no doubt the Pentagon's first attempt to insert fighters into Syria met with what one official called "abject failure."

Nearly half the force was either killed, captured or missing and they never even came in contact with ISIS.

Officially called the New Syrian Force (NSF), the first contingent of 54 fighters was trained by the U.S. military at a base in Turkey and sent across the border into Northern Syria. But instead of fighting ISIS, they unexpectedly came under attack by al Nusra -- a different radical Islamic group.

The NSF called for American air strikes and the al Nusra attack was repulsed. Only one member of the NSF was killed while the enemy lost an estimated 30 fighters.

But what appeared to be a victory turned into defeat when the rest of the NSF scattered. Some were captured by al Nusra. Some made it back to Turkey. Others are simply missing.
 
Despite the bad start, the Pentagon insisted it remains committed to the training program, which is a linchpin of a strategy that depends on local ground forces taking advantage of American air strikes to recapture territory seized by ISIS.
Hundreds more fighters are currently in training or waiting to start.

So far the Pentagon has spent $42 million setting up the program and plans to spend a total of $500 million to train and equip 12,000 fighters.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/pentagons-early-training-of-syrian-rebels-seen-as-failure/

They could barely put together 50 fighters and yet they still have plans for 12,000(!) I am a little skeptical on the sourcing from this article, though. It's likely stolen from this guy (https://twitter.com/vplus/status/629398045302468608) who admitted he got his info from a "senior YPG commander" (who are desperate to receive those US funds themselves.)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 15, 2015, 02:02:28 AM
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on September 03, 2015, 04:17:32 AM
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/09/treason-of-the-professors.php
https://www.nslj.org/wp-content/uploads/3_NatlSecLJ_278-461_Bradford1.pdf
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POSTED ON SEPTEMBER 2, 2015 BY JOHN HINDERAKER IN ACADEMIC LEFT, LEFTISM, TERRORISM
TREASON OF THE PROFESSORS
William Bradford is an Associate Professor of Law, National Security, and Strategy at the National Defense University in Washington, D.C., and at the National Defense College in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates. He has a Ph.D. from Northwestern and an LL.M. from Harvard. Bradford was briefly a professor at the U.S. Military Academy. He authored a long–almost book-length–article in the Spring/Summer 2015 volume of the National Security Law Journal titled “TRAHISON DES PROFESSEURS [Treason of the Professors, a homage to Julien Benda’s Trahison des Clercs]: THE CRITICAL LAW OF ARMED CONFLICT ACADEMY AS AN ISLAMIST FIFTH COLUMN.”

Bradford begins with the proposition that the West is losing its war against Islamic extremism. In all of the quotes below, Bradford’s copious footnotes are omitted:

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As of 2015, the West is losing the 4GW [fourth generation war] Islamism declared for three reasons. First, at the most basic level—understanding what the war is about—Islamists enjoy a near-decisive edge: whereas they are fixed on extending their religious, political, and legal domain across the world, the West quests after a fuzzy vision of a democratic, rule-of-law Islamic world where rights of confessional minorities are respected, goods and ideas are freely exchanged, and incentives to religious radicalism are diminished.

Second, the West underestimates Islamist nature and resolve: although some Western leaders recognize Islamism as a vicious ideology that “follows in the path of fascism, Nazism, and totalitarianism,” few publicly acknowledge the threat it poses to Western civilization, and most believe it will follow its ideological predecessors “[in]to history’s unmarked grave of discarded lies.”

Third, the conflict with Islamism became a 4GW in 1979, and Western failure to adapt to the changed nature of the war is magnified by its disadvantage in PSYOP capabilities. Whereas the West remains invested in the defunct proposition that traditional instruments of power, i.e., conventional military force, that carried utility in the previous three generations of war, will suffice, Islamists know victory is political, not martial, and that they must destroy the Western will to fight. Islamists forced U.S. withdrawal without victory from Iraq and Afghanistan because they recognized that, although their own forces could never defeat Western troops in battle, Western political will, and in particular its constituents—belief in the legitimacy of a civilization defined by democracy, individual rights, religious pluralism, and the willingness of the Western peoples to fight for the survival of this civilization—was far more vulnerable.

Bradford writes that radical Muslims have targeted “an interconnected ‘government-media-academic complex’ of public officials, media, and academics who mould mass opinion on legal and security issues” for anti-American psychological operations. But his real target is academia–specifically, the anti-Western law professors he defines as the “critical law of armed conflict academy” (“CLOACA”). As always when the word “critical” is used in the context of legal theory, these academics are bitterly anti-American:

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Law professors have seized the power to draw the boundaries of what legal interpretations and conclusions may be expressed without committing the mortal civic sin of transgressing the rule of law. Most crucially, they have converted the U.S. legal academy into a cohort whose vituperative pronouncements on the illegality of the U.S. resort to force and subsequent conduct in the war against Islamism—rendered in publications, briefs amicus curiae, and media appearances—are a super-weapon that supports Islamist military operations by loading combat power into a PSYOP campaign against American political will. While this claim applies broadly across the legal academy, a cadre of perhaps two hundred U.S. and allied experts in LOAC [the law of armed conflict]—the LOAC Academy (“LOACA”)—possess the authority and influence as learned and indigenous members of the civilization under assault to validate or invalidate Islamist claims about LOAC and to multiply or denature the combat power of Islamist PSYOPs.

Most pointedly, this charge is aimed at a clique of about forty contemptuously critical LOACA scholars (“CLOACA”) who, by proposing that LOAC restrictions on Islamists be waived to provide unilateral advantage, that Western states face more rigorous compliance standards, and that captured Islamist militants be restored to the battlefield, effectively tilt the battlefield against U.S. forces, contribute to timorousness and lethargy in U.S. military commanders, constrain U.S. military power, enhance the danger to U.S. troops, and potentiate the cognitive effects of Islamist military operations.

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While Bradford’s proposed remedies went too far, the bulk of what he wrote is hard to dispute. And, of course, no one will dispute it. The Left will simply get Bradford fired (http://nypost.com/2015/09/01/west-point-professor-resigns-after-saying-legal-scholars-help-isis/):

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A spokesman at the US Military Academy said William C. Bradford resigned Sunday. He said no further details would be released because of privacy and legal constraints.

The journal that published Bradford’s article must be punished too:

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The publication apologized in an editorial last week in response to a barrage of criticism from readers. Editor-in-chief Rick Myers repudiated the article and said the publication is reviewing its selection process “to ensure that we publish high quality scholarly articles.”

You might want to follow the first link above quickly, to be sure that you can read the article before it disappears. In academia–and not just in academia–the anti-American, anti-Western Left is firmly in the saddle.

BTW,
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a cloaca /kloʊˈeɪkə/ is the posterior orifice that serves as the only opening for the intestinal, reproductive, and urinary tracts of certain animal species, opening at the vent.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on September 03, 2015, 08:59:42 AM
"4th generation war"  :lol
European imperialism in the 19th century was also done under the veil of a fuzzy vision of democracy. It worked just fine nonetheless as a war. Also always a bit puzzled at how the Western world is supposed to be weak in "PSYOPS" when "we" imposed the standard in maps, time and date, measurements and pretty much on anything that mattered to our countries... The West still holds considerable sway in cultural influence.

There's some real issues there and public opinion indeed shapes the ability to wage war, but the strident paranoia is a bit much.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on September 03, 2015, 09:03:57 AM
I knew what a bird penis was, gosh benji you insult my knowledge of minutiae.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: T-Short on September 03, 2015, 10:52:01 AM
http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.674381 (http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.674381)

 :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 03, 2015, 04:59:30 PM
So, I guess this is where the world is going, huh? Everybody's going to start walling off the poor schmucks who can't afford, or weren't lucky enough, to live in a country that isn't under the constant threat of violence.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on September 03, 2015, 05:01:25 PM
First we help pull the rug from under their feet though.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: T-Short on September 04, 2015, 12:59:56 PM
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2015/09/why_drivers_in_china_intentionally_kill_the_pedestrians_they_hit_china_s.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2015/09/why_drivers_in_china_intentionally_kill_the_pedestrians_they_hit_china_s.html)

What the FUCK. :crazy
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on September 04, 2015, 03:39:12 PM
As disgusting as that is, the law is encouraging the practice.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Boogie on September 04, 2015, 05:02:13 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 03, 2015, 04:59:30 PM
So, I guess this is where the world is going, huh? Everybody's going to start walling off the poor schmucks who can't afford, or weren't lucky enough, to live in a country that isn't under the constant threat of violence.

Although the Syrian refugee problem might not be attributable to Climate Change per se, I'd take this opportunity to pimp one of my favourite curmudgeonly foreign affairs columnists, Gwynne Dyer.

Way back in 2008, he published a book and accompanying CBC radio series, Climate Wars, that imo is proving to be eerily prescient.  The "farther future" stuff may still sound a little "out there", but it still serves as a fair warning.

Book link:  http://www.amazon.com/Climate-Wars-Crisis-Change-Canada-ebook/dp/B0031TZAXO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1441400381&sr=8-2&keywords=Climate+Wars

Radio series:  http://gwynnedyer.com/radio/

Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on September 06, 2015, 06:19:14 AM
Quote from: Hyoushi on September 04, 2015, 12:59:56 PM
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2015/09/why_drivers_in_china_intentionally_kill_the_pedestrians_they_hit_china_s.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2015/09/why_drivers_in_china_intentionally_kill_the_pedestrians_they_hit_china_s.html)

What the FUCK. :crazy
Yeah, I read this as well, and was (and still am) in literal disbelief. It doesn't seem possible that any society can be this cold-blooded about human life. I'm hoping the article is exposed as fake.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on September 06, 2015, 09:09:02 AM
Well, the pedestrians do seem to mind so it's not total norm... A bit baffled that the police and courts accept the trash bag excuses.

Pretty horrible otherwise.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on September 06, 2015, 09:07:09 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on September 06, 2015, 09:09:02 AM
Well, the pedestrians do seem to mind so it's not total norm... A bit baffled that the police and courts accept the trash bag excuses.

Pretty horrible otherwise.
It mentions bribes to officials, and it sounds like bribes to witnesses or family are also in effect. It's the willful engagement in murder that I'm not able to believe.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 06, 2015, 10:31:35 PM
Onkel Tom :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on September 08, 2015, 04:57:32 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/07/canada-conservative-party-urination-video-candidate

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 08, 2015, 07:20:25 AM
Denmark launched an ad campaign in poor countries to deter immigrants from coming here

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Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 08, 2015, 07:23:36 AM
Man spitting on refugees from a bridge

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COVCnz_UkAAJAOe.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: fizzel on September 08, 2015, 08:40:33 AM
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a65_1441034785

The vast throng of working poor are old news, make way for the new arrivals. Do-gooder belly feels must be sated.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on September 09, 2015, 04:47:15 AM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-34171284
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on September 09, 2015, 08:54:47 AM
Quote from: brob on September 09, 2015, 04:47:15 AM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-34171284

:goty2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on September 14, 2015, 07:59:28 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/norwegian-politicians-propose-putting-refugees-on-svalbard--remote-arctic-islands-with-more-polar-bears-than-people-10498859.html

 :idont
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on September 14, 2015, 08:10:07 AM
:rofl
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on September 14, 2015, 08:31:42 AM
Today we are voting on local government so it's even more ludicrous to hear the green party, whose most notable rallying cry has been bike lanes, quip about immigration. The oil industry has been down a while so you'd imagine they could come up with something better.

(It's also funny because no one is allowed to settle on svalbard. you just go there to work.)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on September 14, 2015, 09:04:29 AM
Quote
"A reception centre would of course create jobs, but that is a positive side effect of something much more important than coal mining, that's not our primary concern,” Espen Klungseth Rotevatn, the leader of the Green Party on the islands, told the local Vĺrt Land newspaper. “Europe is on fire, and it is now that our values and ethical standards are put to the test.”
Realsatire. Send them to the ass end of the world. It's not quite floating ice, but it's close enough.

Quote from: brob on September 14, 2015, 08:31:42 AM
(It's also funny because no one is allowed to settle on svalbard. you just go there to work.)
That makes it even better.

---

In other news, Tony Abbot got canned by his own party:
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/sep/14/malcolm-turnbull-to-be-australias-new-pm-after-ousting-tony-abbott-in-party-vote
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on September 14, 2015, 09:06:58 AM
The only group to propose putting people on the island in the past has been the country’s anti-immigration Progress Party. One member proposed in May that Norway should send 10,000 immigrants to the islands – later retracting his statement and saying it was simply a way of demonstrating how little space the country has.

:gurl
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on September 15, 2015, 10:16:40 AM
Quote from: brob on September 14, 2015, 07:59:28 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/norwegian-politicians-propose-putting-refugees-on-svalbard--remote-arctic-islands-with-more-polar-bears-than-people-10498859.html

 :idont

I had a crazy idea about bringing them to Japan, because this country has a falling population, an aging population, and the areas outside of major cities are falling faster than anything. It would be a major cultural shift for those 500,000 people, but it would solve two problems with one move.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on September 16, 2015, 07:14:45 AM
Autonomous weapons : a thought experiment. (http://kingsofwar.org.uk/2015/07/autonomous-weapons-a-thought-experiment/)

Also read the comments for a quick counterpoint.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 16, 2015, 07:38:43 AM
Quote from: chronovore on September 15, 2015, 10:16:40 AM
Quote from: brob on September 14, 2015, 07:59:28 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/norwegian-politicians-propose-putting-refugees-on-svalbard--remote-arctic-islands-with-more-polar-bears-than-people-10498859.html

 :idont

I had a crazy idea about bringing them to Japan, because this country has a falling population, an aging population, and the areas outside of major cities are falling faster than anything. It would be a major cultural shift for those 500,000 people, but it would solve two problems with one move.

Europe has ALL those problems as well, there won't be anyone to pay for the fucking babyboomers growing old

Seems no one cares though and they think there are too many people already and not enough jobs (that they like)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on September 16, 2015, 08:22:22 AM
Yeah but the part about jobs is true as it stands. Not in the current paradigm at least. But that can be fixed when people and politicians will accept the fact it is broken. But I don't think it should have any bearing on the refugee question. Economic discussion in those moral questions are valid but often cheapens the argumentation, like with death penalty discussions. I absolutely agree that immigration can help offset demographic decline and that's probably something worthwhile to pursue.

War refugees should be fostered to the best of our capabilities because they're, well, refugees and we consider that distinct from other forms of immigration "by choice" (this is of course all debatable, but there's laws and texts that regulates all that, so there's a real reasoning there). I think countries are entitled to apply a form of immigration control but the current belief in some European quarters that you would be able to stop the immigration flux (or to downsize them to minuscule amounts) is a fantasy, and a morally twisted, costly one. I also think the integration difficulties are vastly overstated (even if there's very real problems with that as it stands). France managed to convince 150 years ago former slaves and slaves descendants living off the coast of Africa, in the Caribbean, in South East Asia or in South America that they were French so it's certainly possible. I mean those people come here because they believe our countries provide better life at some level, so they're already awe-struck and open to cultural conditioning, if I can put it that way.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on September 16, 2015, 01:31:25 PM
https://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/news/social-sciences-and-humanities-faculties-close-japan-after-ministerial-decree

The fuck Japan ?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on September 16, 2015, 02:46:42 PM
Onwards, backwards!

Quote
However, it is likely to be connected with ongoing financial pressures on Japanese universities, linked to a low birth rate and falling numbers of students, which have led to many institutions running at less than 50 per cent of capacity.
Wow. Then again, what could the social sciences tell us about why people aren't fucking any more? :idont
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2015, 02:39:59 PM
Greek exit polls:
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPXKqnfWsAAySHh.jpg)
Quote from: Gurgelhals, on GAF
- SYRIZA: 30-34.8% (Tsipras’s left-wing radical coalition)
- New Democracy: 28-32% (the centre-right opposition)
- Golden Dawn: 6.5-8% (the neo-Nazi party) (oh dear... :-/ )
- PASOK: 5.5 - 7% (the left-wing party that was in power until 2011)
- KKE: 5.5% - 7% (the communist party)
- To Potami: 4% – 5.5% (the pro-EU centrist party)
- Popular Unity: 2.5 – 3.5% (the anti-austerity breakaway party)
- Centrists’ Union: 3.2-4.2 % (another centrist party)
- Independent Greeks (ANEL) 3-4% (the populist right-wingers who were Tsipras’s coalition partners)

Threshold is 3%. And the party with the most votes gets 50 additional seats

Results with a third of the votes counted:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPXah11WEAAVyhi.png:large)

 :dead :dead :dead :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on September 20, 2015, 03:24:24 PM
Still shy of a majority. Means we get some half assed coalition.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Samson Manhug on September 20, 2015, 08:08:04 PM
First #piggate post

Quote
The authors report an account of an ‘outrageous initiation ceremony’ at a Piers Gaveston event at which the future prime minister ‘inserted a private part of his anatomy’ into a dead pig’s mouth.

The story was recounted to them by a contemporary of Mr Cameron who went on to become an MP – and who claims that another member of the group has photographic evidence to prove it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3242494/Revenge-PM-s-snub-billionaire-funded-Tories-years-sparked-explosive-political-book-decade.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on September 20, 2015, 08:12:25 PM
I knew the PM was a pigfucker before it was cool (https://twitter.com/JamesDelingpole/status/645727216119193600) (http://i.imgur.com/vovNmhk.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 20, 2015, 08:16:01 PM
lol breitbart
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Samson Manhug on September 20, 2015, 08:23:21 PM
http://www.buzzfeed.com/tomphillips/what-if-black-mirror-but-too-much#.raDpQ1xAD
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 20, 2015, 09:03:02 PM
Black Mirror was too real, man.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 20, 2015, 09:04:30 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 20, 2015, 08:16:01 PM
lol breitbart

what happened
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 20, 2015, 09:11:53 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 20, 2015, 09:04:30 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 20, 2015, 08:16:01 PM
lol breitbart

what happened

The guy in that Twitter links that's all "Oh, I knew about that forever ago, it's totally old news" is from Breitbart.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on September 20, 2015, 09:51:07 PM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on September 20, 2015, 08:23:21 PM
http://www.buzzfeed.com/tomphillips/what-if-black-mirror-but-too-much#.raDpQ1xAD

best episode of anything ever
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Samson Manhug on September 20, 2015, 09:57:53 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/pSpf8ZY.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on September 20, 2015, 10:00:37 PM
http://www.buzzfeed.com/aramroston/the-secret-arms-deal-behind-americas-syria-fiasco

:bow Lukashenko-sama :bow2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Yeti on September 20, 2015, 10:02:04 PM
At least the pig in Black Mirror was alive. Necrobeastiality is so much worse than vanilla beastiality.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on September 21, 2015, 01:06:03 AM
Quote from: Rufus on September 16, 2015, 02:46:42 PM
Onwards, backwards!

Quote
However, it is likely to be connected with ongoing financial pressures on Japanese universities, linked to a low birth rate and falling numbers of students, which have led to many institutions running at less than 50 per cent of capacity.
Wow. Then again, what could the social sciences tell us about why people aren't fucking any more? :idont
Everyone knows why people aren't fucking though. That's no mystery.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on September 21, 2015, 07:58:14 AM
Quote from: chronovore on September 21, 2015, 01:06:03 AM
Quote from: Rufus on September 16, 2015, 02:46:42 PM
Onwards, backwards!

Quote
However, it is likely to be connected with ongoing financial pressures on Japanese universities, linked to a low birth rate and falling numbers of students, which have led to many institutions running at less than 50 per cent of capacity.
Wow. Then again, what could the social sciences tell us about why people aren't fucking any more? :idont
Everyone knows why people aren't fucking though. That's no mystery.
But do they want to do something about it? Besides wanting women to be subservient housewives, I mean.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on September 21, 2015, 08:28:35 AM
Quote from: Rufus on September 21, 2015, 07:58:14 AM
Quote from: chronovore on September 21, 2015, 01:06:03 AM
Quote from: Rufus on September 16, 2015, 02:46:42 PM
Onwards, backwards!

Quote
However, it is likely to be connected with ongoing financial pressures on Japanese universities, linked to a low birth rate and falling numbers of students, which have led to many institutions running at less than 50 per cent of capacity.
Wow. Then again, what could the social sciences tell us about why people aren't fucking any more? :idont
Everyone knows why people aren't fucking though. That's no mystery.
But do they want to do something about it? Besides wanting women to be subservient housewives, I mean.
Are you kidding? What nonsense are you talking about? What woman wouldn't want to give up her career to raise children, clean house, and look after the needs of a middle-manager husband who may have done less-well in school than she had?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on September 21, 2015, 08:36:01 AM
You're right, senpai. It's their natural mentality after all. Home and hearth it is. :uguu
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: chronovore on September 21, 2015, 10:38:57 AM
I actually think that it's the Bubble burst but the corporate mentality attempts to remain "lifetime employment, work hard, sleep is for weekends!"  But work remains harder to attain, ascend, and benefits remain chintzy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on September 21, 2015, 10:43:40 AM
Also, the part-time-plague. Hard to think of the future when you're trapped in that kind of job.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Take My Breh Away on September 21, 2015, 12:59:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBpQJ98rR4o

:dead :dead :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on September 23, 2015, 07:19:55 PM
Another kid guilty of being brown, this time in the UK:
http://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/sep/22/school-questioned-muslim-pupil-about-isis-after-discussion-on-eco-activism
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“I remembered the lesson and explained that I had mentioned the phrase eco-terrorism in relation to eco-warriors and protecting the environment. I explained again what they were, and that they put nails in trees to blunt the blade of a chainsaw which is why people sometimes call them terrorists. The member of staff behind the desk looked at the member of staff behind me and said: ‘Told you, he is a tree-hugger.’

“She made a hugging gesture with her arms and, looking at me, asked me if I ‘went around hugging trees’ like one of her relatives. She then asked me: ’Do you have any affiliation with Isis?’
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on October 12, 2015, 07:59:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni8W_WT5KDk

subs in the cc if they aren't enabled by default.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on October 13, 2015, 10:17:20 PM
Wow, can't believe no one congratulated Lukashenko on winning a tough Belarusian presidential campaign itt. Grats Papa Luka! You only got like 85% of the vote, so don't rest on your laurels. :bolo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on October 13, 2015, 10:31:02 PM
Congratulations, Batka (http://i.imgur.com/f7TK129.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2015, 12:03:05 AM
Western anti-democracy groups spread lies:
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Observer of the United Civil Party Viktar Malochka stated about the overestimation of the turnout at polling station No. 24 in Salihorsk by almost 400 electors.

“I had learned working with the numbers while I was lieutenant colonel working in the economic crime department. There is no discrepancy in the number of voters during the early voting. However, dring the election day I counted just 808 people, whereas the commission's number is 1,190. I stayed at the polling station whole day, counting every elector,” says Viktar Malochka. “It's quite interesting that the number of electors was also counted by a girl, who seemed to have been nominated by the authorities. When she discovered that large discrepancy, she got scared and said that she didn't want to know anything and would no longer engage in it all, and ran away without waiting for the posting of the protocol of voting.”

After the announcement of the official results Mr. Malochka warned members of the PEC about the considerable mismatch and warned them he would have to address the prosecutor's office on this issue. However, he doesn't believe the prosecutor's office will do anything about it. PEC No. 24 is headed by the notorious head of the first mine of the open JSC “Belaruśkali” Aliaksandr Harbachou, with whom the prosecutor's office has already held a prophylactic talk regarding his public statement about the intention to control the turnout of workers of “Belaruśkali” at the elections.
http://spring96.org/en/news/80699
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The regional coordinator of the campaign “Right to Elect” Taisiya Kabanchuk continues collecting and analysing information from observers. However, she is already able to state a large overestimation of the turnout at virtually all polling stations.

“Members of PEC No. 26, where I observed the voting, prohibited observers to come close to the place where the votes were counted (in the photo). As a result, there are 398 “extra voters” in the final protocol. At polling station No. 54 they added 260 people, at polling station No. 55 – as many as 632,” says Mrs. Kabanchuk.

The observer says that there cannot be any mistakes on her own part or on the part of her colleagues, because the voters were calculated by two independent observers at each polling station.
http://spring96.org/en/news/80696
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After the end of the vote counting at polling station No. 57 in Barysaŭ the members of the PEC refused to inform the observers about the results. As reported by an independent observer Pavel Daineka, nobody was let out of the polling station, while the chair of the commission was phoning either to the executive committee or a higher election commission to report about the results of the calculation.

When the results were announced for the first time, the number of votes for Tatsiana Karatkevich was 219, but after the talk it decreased to 77. When the observer asked how it could happen and asked to show him the final protocol, deputy chair answered that she had passed the protocol to the chairman and the latter had taken it to the territorial election commission.
http://spring96.org/en/news/80701

It's like they don't even stop to think that maybe it's the anti-democratic anti-Papa Luka forces that are putting in the fraudulent votes, that seems far more likely than a popular people's candidate being democratically opposed and needing to cheat.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on October 18, 2015, 11:00:39 AM
Remember the Doctors Without Borders hospital that was mistakenly attacked with a drone strike? Now someone drove a tank into it...
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/15/us-tank-enters-ruined-afghan-hospital-putting-war-evidence-at-risk
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Samson Manhug on October 18, 2015, 08:53:38 PM
Is this like when the Taliban calls MRAPs tanks?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on October 18, 2015, 09:30:39 PM
I thought about that too. Very well could be.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on October 19, 2015, 01:44:05 AM
Glad Der Spiegel puts out articles like this.

http://m.spiegel.de/international/world/a-1056400.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Fifstar on October 19, 2015, 05:51:17 AM
Quote from: Kara on October 19, 2015, 01:44:05 AM
Glad Der Spiegel puts out articles like this.

http://m.spiegel.de/international/world/a-1056400.html

I love how the german version of the spiegel homepage has become total garbage while the international version puts out translated versions of the magazine articles that are actually worthwhile. Although the mag has seen better times as well.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on October 19, 2015, 09:01:50 AM
My mother in law is over in Europe right now. One of the texts she sent was that some of French people she came across didn't like Americans. This threw my fox news loving father in law into a seething rage, "How can they hate Americans????" Like it was blasphemy or something.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Samson Manhug on October 19, 2015, 10:54:34 AM
Quote from: Kara on October 19, 2015, 01:44:05 AM
Glad Der Spiegel puts out articles like this.

http://m.spiegel.de/international/world/a-1056400.html

'"None of my friends has a job anymore," says Sahli. "Some are saving money for the traffickers, while others are going to Syria to make money. They have two choices: the boats or Islamic State. Eventually you Europeans will also get the message. The tragedy didn't begin on June 26. The tragedy is beginning now."'
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on October 19, 2015, 12:20:53 PM
Quote from: Brehvolution on October 19, 2015, 09:01:50 AM
My mother in law is over in Europe right now. One of the texts she sent was that some of French people she came across didn't like Americans. This threw my fox news loving father in law into a seething rage, "How can they hate Americans????" Like it was blasphemy or something.
There's definitely people with a chip on the shoulder about the USA. In my experience it's mostly wild generalisations and contempt, not "hate", but I think it could easily be taken as rude were an American present, considering it often strikes a nerve with me.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on October 19, 2015, 12:57:29 PM
I'm sure you are right with it being rudeness and not hate. The rudest people often take the most offense when someone is rude to them.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on October 19, 2015, 01:03:16 PM
Anti-american sentiments are on the rise among the rightwing groups that have popped up here in Germany. We're a protectorate of the USA, the refugee crisis is a conspiracy to divide and weaken Europe, Putin has a lot of rights ideas, yadda yadda.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on October 19, 2015, 01:37:59 PM
Well Putin did spend a lot of time in Germany. :sabu

OK not "Germany," but my joke still stands.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 19, 2015, 02:22:15 PM
Quote from: Kara on October 19, 2015, 01:37:59 PM
Well Putin did spend a lot of time in Germany. :sabu

OK not "Germany," but my joke still stands.

You know who else spent a lot of time in Germany?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on October 19, 2015, 02:31:12 PM
David Hasslehoff?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 19, 2015, 02:32:26 PM
Exactly.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on October 19, 2015, 02:39:54 PM
Look at the devastation Baywatch left Volkswagen in. (http://i.imgur.com/5A2X9ra.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on October 21, 2015, 11:16:36 AM
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151013/11125332527/uk-goes-full-orwell-government-to-take-children-away-parents-if-they-might-become-radicalized.shtml
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on October 21, 2015, 01:11:51 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/21/netanyahu-under-fire-for-palestinian-grand-mufti-holocaust-claim

Dude's lost his mind.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on October 21, 2015, 04:09:11 PM
Kind of revealing on the motives of his policies towards Palestine and Europe. Dude is straight bonkers.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brawndolicious on October 21, 2015, 04:50:10 PM
I get really tired hearing any news about the middle-east but it sounds like he suggested Jews would have been better off making some German territory into their new country rather than going to Jerusalem. :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on October 21, 2015, 05:05:17 PM
When even a Jewish Israeli prime minister can't talk about the Holocaust in an adult manner the world truly has gone mad.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on October 21, 2015, 05:43:48 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRt0c8pUcAAIHnS.jpg:large)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 22, 2015, 07:40:51 PM
Quote from: Rufus on October 21, 2015, 01:11:51 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/21/netanyahu-under-fire-for-palestinian-grand-mufti-holocaust-claim

Dude's lost his mind.

Quote from: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/21/us-israel-netanyahu-hitler-germany-idUSKCN0SF1OI20151021
The German government said on Wednesday that responsibility for the Holocaust lay with the Germans, after Israel's prime minister sparked controversy before a visit to Berlin by saying a Muslim elder had convinced Adolf Hitler to exterminate Jews.

"All Germans know the history of the murderous race mania of the Nazis that led to the break with civilization that was the Holocaust," Chancellor Angela Merkel's spokesman Steffen Seibert said when asked about Benjamin Netanyahu's remarks.

"This is taught in German schools for good reason, it must never be forgotten. And I see no reason to change our view of history in any way. We know that responsibility for this crime against humanity is German and very much our own."

Whatever you want to say about Merkel, that's some of the realest shit I've heard someone say in forever.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Mupepe on October 23, 2015, 12:59:28 PM
Can you imagine any US politician saying something like that about any American atrocity? 

Hell, when I watched the Ken Burns documentary The West a few weeks back and they discussed the genocide of Native Americans every single person interviewed (except the Native Americans of course) basically said "Yeah it was awful but it's so hard not to look back at the conquest of the west and get excited about all the good that came out of it!"  That's like the equivalent of those that say "so much medical progress was made because the Nazis weren't held back by silly morals or ethics."  Disgusting, basically.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 23, 2015, 01:07:32 PM
The Germans totally own it when it comes to the Nazis. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on October 23, 2015, 02:18:02 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 23, 2015, 01:07:32 PM
The Germans totally own it when it comes to the Nazis.

Not really, especially in regards to denazification.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 23, 2015, 02:20:09 PM
You saying there are still Nazis in public office in Germany?  Cause if so, those medical advancements are pretty spectacular. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on October 23, 2015, 02:26:03 PM
Quote from: Kara on October 23, 2015, 02:18:02 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 23, 2015, 01:07:32 PM
The Germans totally own it when it comes to the Nazis.

Not really, especially in regards to denazification.
Yeah, "totally" is definitely a bit of an overstatement, but the official stance is fairly unique.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on October 23, 2015, 02:27:47 PM
The NPD can't be shut down because the BfV is LARPing The Man Who Was Thursday, Arvie.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 23, 2015, 02:28:38 PM
I recognize some of those characters in that sentence. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on October 23, 2015, 02:38:52 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 23, 2015, 02:28:38 PM
I recognize some of those characters in that sentence. 
NPD = National Democratic Party of Germany, far right nutters who claim to be totes not racist at all.
BfV = Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, whose modus operandi seems to be to pay a salary to select neo-nazis in exchange for information. The NPD is apparently chock full of these, which makes it difficult to prosecute them since it's unclear how much influence the informants had on the direction of the party. Also like to accidentally shred files destroy evidence when it looks like one of their precious informants did a boo boo, suggesting that the BfV may have at the very least known about the boo boo.

Quote from: Kara on October 23, 2015, 02:27:47 PM
The NPD can't be shut down because the BfV is LARPing The Man Who Was Thursday, Arvie.
The BKA (our FBI) and the BfV might get more funding soon to deal with the growing number of right wing and neo-nazi groups. I'm sure that will go well. :doge

Ironic side note: the right wing nutter who recently stabbed a mayoral candidate in the neck for her support of refugees is rumored to have worked as an informant for some time.
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She's in stable condition and has won the election. Eat shit, assholes. :heh
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 23, 2015, 03:15:06 PM
Quote from: Rufus on October 23, 2015, 02:38:52 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 23, 2015, 02:28:38 PM
I recognize some of those characters in that sentence. 
NPD = National Democratic Party of Germany, far right nutters who claim to be totes not racist at all.

And that's why GAF boycotts their sales figures.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on October 23, 2015, 03:44:55 PM
I don't want to sound ungrateful about what Merkel said, btw. In a time/place where something as comparatively banal as gun control becomes an opportunity to exploit the victims of the Holocaust and the embarrassing prime minister of the state that claims to represent all Jewry tries to justify his own school of Zionism's failed policies by going, "s/he hit me first," except with attempted ethnic cleansing instead of hitting, it's refreshing to see the leader of the country that was one of the most responsible parties for the Holocaust stepping up and saying, "y'all is some wack-ass knickerbockers." It just rings kind of hollow given a variety of postwar factors and in an ideal word that's what would stand out instead.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on October 30, 2015, 02:52:08 AM
The marketing campaign for AssCreed Syndicate has gone a little too far. (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/malnutrition-and-other-victorian-diseases-soaring-in-england-due-to-food-poverty-and-cuts-a6711236.html)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 30, 2015, 02:49:51 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/oct/30/condom-shares-fall-in-china-after-plan-to-end-one-child-policy
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Samson Manhug on October 30, 2015, 10:16:07 PM
I can't imagine using a condom with your wife. What is the point of getting married?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 31, 2015, 10:58:57 AM
I can't imagine using a condom with your wife either. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on November 02, 2015, 10:01:30 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/hundreds-of-suicides-in-india-linked-to-microfinance-organizations-2012-2

the best kind of development aid is the for-profit one.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on November 03, 2015, 12:38:10 AM
Quote from: brob on November 02, 2015, 10:01:30 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/hundreds-of-suicides-in-india-linked-to-microfinance-organizations-2012-2

the best kind of development aid is the for-profit one.

All I could think about while reading this is that Akula means shark in Russian. (Shark, loan shark et cetera.)

It's OK for aid to get pocketed by corrupt private citizens operating within the framework of capital, but not OK if it gets pocketed by corrupt public officials. It's the law. :wag
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on November 03, 2015, 03:14:45 AM
Wasn't "micro" finance hailed as the savior of developing countries a few years ago ? :holeup
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: curly on November 03, 2015, 06:58:14 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on November 03, 2015, 03:14:45 AM
Wasn't "micro" finance hailed as the savior of developing countries a few years ago ? :holeup

Yup. A microfinance bank even got a Nobel Peace Prize in 2006, yet more evidence that the Nobel committee is :trash.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 03, 2015, 10:41:25 AM
The whole concept of "social entrepreneurship" really bothers me. Exploit the disadvantaged as a marketing gimmick, socially conscious brehs.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on November 03, 2015, 08:41:49 PM
If it didn't have (at best) minimal positive impact and in more likelihood the creation of small scale employment with personal debt, you'd almost have to laugh at the theoretical underpinnings of microcredit. It's like a bunch of people actually believed the Smithian alternate history of enclosure and decided to make a lehrstucke out of it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2015, 01:16:50 AM
How bout them Polish parliamentary elections? Goodbye "United Left" and welcome, a punk rocker who doesn't actually have a party to fill his 42 seats won.

Belize votes today and Croatia and Myanmar (you may know it as Burma, but it will always be Myanmar to me) on Sunday.

Croatia has a new coalition called Successful Croatia. How could you not vote for that? Clearly the other parties oppose success. Why else would the coalition name itself that?

Myanmar has a provision making sure that democracy succeeds even if the ruling party (formally the party of the junta) loses half of its 212 seats as 110 of the 440 seats in the lower house are appointed by the military. They won the last election with 77% of the vote, so hopefully they are prepared for a tough election.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on November 04, 2015, 01:30:00 AM
Law and Justice won? Sweet, I can go back to being embarrassed of my Polish heritage again instead of my laundry list of personal failures. :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2015, 01:41:24 AM
A majority too! Gained 101 seats!

And these guys gained 42, while the United Left lost all of theirs!
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Kukiz'15 is a right-wing political party in Poland led by punk musician Paweł Kukiz. It is not formally registered as a political party, as one of they key postulates is "destroying particracy"
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The movement is particularly popular among young people, with Kukiz having won 42% among voters aged 18 to 29 in the Presidential elections 2015.[6]

In the 2015 parliamentary election Kukiz'15 cooperated with the far-right National Movement, about one quarter of Kukiz' 42 parliamentary seats will be held by members of the National Movement
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The Second Congress of the National Movement took place May 3, 2014 in Warsaw. The congress passed the following demands of the program:[3]
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re-equip the Polish Army

the introduction of a universal territorial defense unit and a watchtower in every borough

widen the access to weapons

ensure the constitution guarantees national ownership of Polish land

denunciation of the Treaty of Lisbon and replace it with a "Sovereignty Treaty"

termination of the energy-climate agreements and the European Fiscal Compact

promotion of Polish history in the world (including the fight against the term "Polish concentration camps")

public combat of the ideology of gender

striving for energy independence (support for the extraction of shale gas and nuclear power plants)
Wow, this movement is full of new ideas:
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As adopted in the January 2013 declaration of ideology, the decision-making council of the National Movement has indicated its three main components: identity (nation, family, people), sovereignty (the state, culture, economy) and freedom (of speech, management, people); identified the awareness and commitment of the young generation of Poles as the strength of the National Movement and pledged to work on the transformation of the homeland, emphasized the idea of the nation, understood as a cultural community formed by generations.
I feel at one with the nation and ready to combat the ideology of gender!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on November 04, 2015, 01:49:47 AM
They're labeled as libertarian btw, just another libertarian moment.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2015, 02:04:43 AM
At this rate there won't be any governments left to have libertarian moments in. :o
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on November 07, 2015, 10:44:34 AM
https://theintercept.com/2015/11/06/ttp-trade-pact-would-give-wall-street-a-trump-card-to-block-regulations/

Just what we need. :stahp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 07, 2015, 10:49:32 AM
The Trump Card is that he'll make them pay to build the Wall Street.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 07, 2015, 10:49:49 AM
i'm sorry :goty2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2015, 12:41:49 PM
Why worry? Dodd Frank fixed the financial industry forever and makes sure no institution will ever be too big to fail again.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on November 11, 2015, 02:07:21 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-declares-all-atheists-are-terrorists-in-new-law-to-crack-down-on-political-dissidents-9228389.html

better get on your deen wrath :wag
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on November 13, 2015, 07:31:12 PM
DP.
Nevermind.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on November 14, 2015, 11:39:39 AM
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I have no solutions but I think a lot of people could do well to revisit World War I and its aftermath.

That the Entente should have gone to Germany instead of finishing the job 27 years later ?  :omg
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 14, 2015, 11:51:22 AM
Joshua Landis has been saying for a few years that the current situation in the Middle East is most similar to him to the Balkans prior to WWI. Imperial borders giving way to new nation states, great powers picking sides according to their interests, the potential for snowballing. . .
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on November 14, 2015, 12:00:07 PM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on November 14, 2015, 11:51:22 AM
Joshua Landis has been saying for a few years that the current situation in the Middle East is most similar to him to the Balkans prior to WWI. Imperial borders giving way to new nation states, great powers picking sides according to their interests, the potential for snowballing. . .

I think the difference is that in the 1910's, the great powers were primed to go at it over that lynchpin (That's more or less the exact terms of the French commitment to Russia). I don't see it here although the Ukrainian crisis is a concern as far as how heated Russian antagonism could get.

Messy situation to be sure. I imagine Shadow Mod thought of the Ottoman Empire evisceration. That statu quo is well and certainly dying.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 14, 2015, 12:10:07 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on November 14, 2015, 12:00:07 PM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on November 14, 2015, 11:51:22 AM
Joshua Landis has been saying for a few years that the current situation in the Middle East is most similar to him to the Balkans prior to WWI. Imperial borders giving way to new nation states, great powers picking sides according to their interests, the potential for snowballing. . .

I think the difference is that in the 1910's, the great powers were primed to go at it over that lynchpin (That's more or less the exact terms of the French commitment to Russia). I don't see it here although the Ukrainian crisis is a concern as far as how heated Russian antagonism could get.

Messy situation to be sure. I imagine Shadow Mod thought of the Ottoman Empire evisceration. That statu quo is well and certainly dying.

Sure, it's not a direct parallel, but for people confused about how borders can just disappear and small-time terrorists can achieve global influence, it shows that there certainly is a modern precedent for it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on November 14, 2015, 01:06:07 PM
in other news: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/anti-government-protesters-clash-police-korea-151114085804263.html

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At least 30 people have been injured after police used tear gas and water cannon to disperse what was believed to be the largest anti-government protest in South Korea's capital in more than seven years, local media reported.

On Saturday up to 80,000 people in Seoul called for the resignation of President Park Geun Hye in demonstrations fuelled by growing frustration over the government's labour policies and rising youth unemployment.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Kara on November 14, 2015, 03:34:53 PM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on November 14, 2015, 12:10:07 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on November 14, 2015, 12:00:07 PM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on November 14, 2015, 11:51:22 AM
Joshua Landis has been saying for a few years that the current situation in the Middle East is most similar to him to the Balkans prior to WWI. Imperial borders giving way to new nation states, great powers picking sides according to their interests, the potential for snowballing. . .

I think the difference is that in the 1910's, the great powers were primed to go at it over that lynchpin (That's more or less the exact terms of the French commitment to Russia). I don't see it here although the Ukrainian crisis is a concern as far as how heated Russian antagonism could get.

Messy situation to be sure. I imagine Shadow Mod thought of the Ottoman Empire evisceration. That statu quo is well and certainly dying.

Sure, it's not a direct parallel, but for people confused about how borders can just disappear and small-time terrorists can achieve global influence, it shows that there certainly is a modern precedent for it.

I guess what differentiates it for me is that the Ottoman Empire inherited a lot of long running political and cultural conflicts from preceding Islamic states and exacerbated them with defensive policies like tanzimat while Austria-Hungary's similar multiethnic problems were more of a symptom of the proliferation of nationalism after the wars of X coalitions in continental Europe. Bosnia-Herzegovina wasn't even Habsburg territory for a hundred years.

To be certain things like French policies in Mandatory Syria contributed to its present situation, but Iran's role in the war goes back to the Safavid conversion of Iran and Iraq, which itself was a common political tactic with the demise of the Rashidun. (The Abbasids played off the original, political Sunni-Shia conflict in their own campaign to seize power.)

Sure am glad Jacobin neoconservativism thinks it can just magically wade into millenium plus conflicts and wave its magic wand.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Shadow Mod on November 14, 2015, 03:37:11 PM
If magic wand is a euphemism for nukes hell yes!

(https://media.giphy.com/media/12iLLOrKtgyiCQ/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 14, 2015, 04:19:00 PM
Kill 'em all and let the comparatively greater god sort 'em out.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 14, 2015, 05:36:50 PM
Quote from: Kara on November 14, 2015, 03:34:53 PM
I guess what differentiates it for me is that the Ottoman Empire inherited a lot of long running political and cultural conflicts from preceding Islamic states and exacerbated them with defensive policies like tanzimat while Austria-Hungary's similar multiethnic problems were more of a symptom of the proliferation of nationalism after the wars of X coalitions in continental Europe. Bosnia-Herzegovina wasn't even Habsburg territory for a hundred years.

To be certain things like French policies in Mandatory Syria contributed to its present situation, but Iran's role in the war goes back to the Safavid conversion of Iran and Iraq, which itself was a common political tactic with the demise of the Rashidun. (The Abbasids played off the original, political Sunni-Shia conflict in their own campaign to seize power.)

Sure am glad Jacobin neoconservativism thinks it can just magically wade into millenium plus conflicts and wave its magic wand.
I see a lot of similarities between the reification of the Sunni-Shi'a divide as a centuries old conflict and the myth-making projects of 18th, 19th century European nation building. People point to the First Fitna as a formative event in modern sectarianism because it conveniently contextualizes the conflict into two eternally warring groups, despite the fact that orthodoxy within the early muslim world was poorly defined and Shi'ism as we know it today was little more than a cult of reverence for 'Ali and a penchant for anti-authoritarian rhetoric. It isn't until (early) modern institutions make cultural homogeneity possible and two competing states in the Ottoman and Safavid dynasties collide that the division between Sunni and Shi'a becomes recognizable to a 21st century observer. The Abbasids didn't have to play the conflict off, it wasn't a salient division to begin with among the vast majority of actual practitioners. The Fatimids construct the first (Ismaili) Shi'a state between the 10th-12th centuries, and find no contradiction in letting alien confessional identities, even Coptic Christians, administer for them. To ape at length:

Quote from: Stefan Winter's The Shiites of Lebanon under Ottoman Rule
'Shiism' or partisanship for 'Ali ibn Abi Taleb (d. 661) and the succession of Twelve Imams is as old as Islam itself. From the very beginning and throughout Islamic history, an important minority of Muslims has maintained that 'Ali, the Prophet Muhammad's cousin and son-in-law, father of his only grandsons Hasan and Husayn, also his spiritual successor and should have been his only political heir. The forms this partisanship took however, could vary widely, from outright rebellion against those seeking to organize and rule the Islamic community according to the Prophet's example and traditions (Sunnism), to quite acquiescence while waiting the return of a messiah-like Iman to deliver the world from iniquity. With time, Shiism became both the ideology of the disenfranchised, an intra-Islamic opposition ever ready to channel social protest against the powerful, and a religious sect or church in its own right, with a scholastic and legal tradition every bit as institutionalized as that of the rival Sunni majority.

In rural and tribal-dominated areas such as Khorasan (north-eastern Iran), where the Turkmen of Central Asia first came into contact with Islamic civilization, these differences remained largely academic. Here, 'Shiism' above all entailed a popular devotion to 'Ali and Husain as the warrior champions and tragic heroes of early Islam. Along with Abu Muslim, who in 749 CE led a the revolution from Khorasan that would install the Abbasids in Baghdad, only to be betrayed and murdered by them, and al-Hallaj, the Turko-Iranian sufi philosopher who was executed by the same dynasty for his alleged pantheism in 927, the Shiite martyrs exemplified the velour, moral rectitude and free-spiritedness so highly regarded by the Turkmen tribes. Their conversion to Islam in this period was achieved largely through the efforts not of textual scholars (ulema) expounding the finer points of Koranic exegesis and shari'a law, but by charismatic sufi dervishes whose cult of Muslim saint worship, mystical divination, and millenarianism spoke more directly to the steppe mindset. In this context, Shiite inclinations (tashayyu') and 'Alid loyalties were not an express negation of Sunni Orthodoxy but rather the natural mode of non-literature, non-sectarian folk Islam. The Turkmen whose westward migration in the medieval period would so change the course of world could very well be formally Sunni and affectively Shiite at the same same time.

This dualism or 'confessional ambiguity', to use John Woods' term, was nowhere more in evidence than among the great nomad confederations that dominated Iran and western Asia after the great Timurid conquests of the fourteenth century. Timur himself alternately presented himself as a defender of Sunnism and of Shiism; the leaders of the Karakoyunlu Turkmen whoo controlled the region from Lake Van to Baghdad were decried by contemporaries as ghulat (extreme) Shiites but never actually adopted formal Shiite doctrines; the powerful Akkoyunlu confederation, from whose ranks many of the Kızılbaş would later be drawn, patronized bother Sunni and militantly Shiite orders, including the Safavids of Ardabil. Confessional ambiguity was also the norm throughout Anatolia after the Turkmen invasions. Many mid-size artisan and trading towns such as Ankara or Kırşehir were run by the ahi brotherhoods, local craftsman corporations which, much like the medieval Islamic futuwwa guilds on which they were modeled, adhered to a code of moral conduct and urban self-governance that was replete with Shiite symbolism and values with repudiating orthodox religious practice or shari'a law. Among the tribes, the more esoteric (batini) Ismaili form of Shiism, as well as Kabbalah-like Hurufi sect and any number of nonconformist sufi movements, could fuel the periodic millenarian revolts against the Saljuq [Seljuq] dynasty in Konya, which would in retrospect be identified with Sunni Islam. 'Maybe the religious history of Anatolian and Balkan Muslims living in the frontier areas of the period from the eleventh to fifteenth centuries should be conceptualized in terms of metadoxy'. Cemal Kafadar has written in the most most fluid synthesis to date of the Ottoman Empire's religious origins, 'a state of being beyond doxies, a combination of being doxy-naive and not being doxy-minded, as well as the absence of a state that was interested in rigorously defining and strictly enforcing an orthodoxy. . . It was much later that a debate emerged among Ottoman scholar sand statesmen with respect to the correctness of some of the practices of their ancestors.'...

The Kizilbash revolts, a series of millenarian anti-state uprisings by the heterodox rural population of Anatolia that culminated in the establishment of a militantly Shiite rival state in neighboring Iran, forced for perhaps the first time in Islamic history the 'sharp delineation' of Sunni and Shiite doctrinal schools. In doing so, they also changed forever how the Ottoman state would define and treat Muslim heterodox minorities living within its own borders.
https://books.google.com/books?id=KGeuAeFFJCEC&pg=PA7&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=4#v=onepage&q&f=true


Eternal conflict among two fixed groups is less an explanation than a politically expedient trope. It isn't the multi-confessional/multi-ethnic nature of these states or the fact that they have large minority groups that kills them, it's the intentional limiting of access to the political process placed upon those groups.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on November 15, 2015, 09:03:01 AM
Sarkozy : asshole extraordinaire.

Just after having left President Hollande which had invited him to speak about the current crisis, Sarkozy made a short speech for TV. In the middle of his observations about security, war, Syria, he says Europe needs "to set a new immigration policy, there's no link of course, but the problem is on the table".
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on November 15, 2015, 07:51:32 PM
The Presidency has called upon a Congress aka a full Parliament (Assembly and Senate) at Versailles tomorrow.
The National Assembly will also have to vote 25 Nov. about the continuation of French military action against IS. This was on the table before the attacks.

As you may have heard, the French airforce has conducted raids over Raqa, a Syrian town controlled by ISIS. 10 planes and 20 bombs were used, so it's a pretty big operation for the task force (France has 12 fighter planes allocated, stationed in Jordan and the Emirates). To note, reporting seems to be from both ISIS and anti-ISIS sources that the raids did hit targets and that no civilian casualties has been recorded.

Aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle should once more be sent to the area to provide 24 more planes to the Coalition. The biggest change we can expect is probably a bigger focus on Syria : France only started attacking targets here a few months ago, there was previously an understanding that we were OK for any work in Iraq, but not to play into Bachar el Assad's hands (Foreign minister was always adamant about that). The events will probably make what was remaining of the political block go. I don't expect any earth-shattering change to French or coalition strategy beyond that. I don't think anyone is really eager to really put boots on the ground and France will not go head on alone in a rash move : Quite a bit of the force projection is already allocated to several theathers and UN missions (FINUL in Lebanon being one) and the ramping up of the security plans at home in January plus now also drain some of the force pool. France loves UN mandates (especially to have their own UN sanctioned parallel operation to still keep maximum operational liberty).

As an aside, I do believe that the Guns or Butter will have to be adressed seriously at some point. In France, even though we are probably still one of the most adamant over the matter on the Old Continent (with the UK), but even more so in other European countries. There's been a longstanding claim that a lot of NATO members are freeloading US infrastructure and it is true. Considering US may have bigger Asian chickens to fry in the future, European countries should maybe well advised to not be naked considering the Ukraine crisis or what is happening in the "Near East" which share borders with (long standing despite the unease) prospective EU member Turkey.

EDIT : There's also a lot of "war" being thrown out by politics and the governement but it's a bit of empty rhetoric to be fair. For one because we are already "at war" for all intents and purpose and have been for many years.

At home, there's talks of creating the necessary apparatus to "dissolve" extremist mosques. Can it be effective ? Can't fault the governement there, it is a very real issue that some places do serve to relay heinous preach (if not worse) to young people.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 15, 2015, 10:18:56 PM
It will be interesting to see if these attacks will have any major impact on the Marshall Islands elections tomorrow. And the first part of the New Zealand flag referendum on Friday.

Also, btw, Successful Croatia won one seat. Which is 1/4th as many as the parties had before they formed the coalition.

And the non-junta opposition party won a complete majority in both houses in Myanmar even counting the military appointed seats. :omg
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 16, 2015, 07:06:56 PM
Polish minister suggests conscripting Syrian refugees, turning them into a foreign legion, and sending them back to fight. Points for originality?

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"They can go to fight to liberate their country with our help," said Witold Waszczykowski, who was set to take office on Monday.

"Hundreds of thousands of Syrians have come to Europe recently. We can help them form an army," he said on public television over the weekend. "Tens of thousands of young men disembark from their rubber dinghies with iPad in hand and instead of asking for drink or food, they ask where they can charge their cellphones."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/11/16/polish-foreign-minister-suggests-turning-syrian-refugees-into-an-army/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 16, 2015, 07:13:48 PM
Netanyahu a wanted man in Spain

:badass

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/spain-issues-arrest-warrant-for-israeli-prime-minister-benjamin-netanyahu-over-2010-gaza-flotilla-a6736436.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on November 17, 2015, 10:56:47 AM
From that same page: http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/this-picture-of-donald-trump-is-made-entirely-out-of-500-penises--b1iioBNDYx

 :nsfw
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 17, 2015, 11:10:47 AM
http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/.premium-1.686408

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Within a few days Molenbeek, a Brussels suburb where the population is in some neighborhoods 80-percent Muslim, has become one of the most maligned places in Europe. Local security forces have been working nonstop since the mass terror attacks in Paris on Friday in a locale that has been dubbed “a jihadi base.” The same is true of the media, which want to learn more about the three local residents, the Abdeslam brothers, who apparently took part in planning and carrying out the attacks, and reportedly were “a few days earlier, walking around the neighborhood as though it was business as usual…” At the same time, Belgian Prime Minister Charles Michel declared Sunday that his government intends to act to regain control of Molenbeek.

Apparently in the first stage there is a plan to transfer authority for handling the locale to the Belgian national police chief, Catherine De Bolle.
For his part, Michel declared, with respect to terror activity, “I have become aware that there’s almost always a connection to Molenbeek." His Interior Minister Jan Jambon added that, “the situation in Molenbeek has spiraled out of control. We must invest efforts there in order to restore control over what is going on.”

Meanwhile, in Belgium – which awoke Sunday to headlines to the effect that the country is “the home-front base of extremist Islam in Europe” – debate and mutual accusations were heard among politicians.

Molenbeek Mayor Francoise Schepmans, a member of the prime minister’s Liberal Party, claimed in an interview to the local La Libre newspaper that the Jihadis “don’t all come from here, a large percentage are only in transit… It’s easy for them to hide. In some districts, the population is very dense, with 80 percent of the people from North African origin. Anonymity is easier for people passing through with very bad intentions.”

Schepmans, who took office in 2012, went on to point an accusing finger at her predecessor: “Immigrants arrived here, where the ground was ripe for processes of religious extremism, because there was no policy for receiving them or integrating them into community life. One should have been firmer from the start," she added, with respect to the newcomers' obligations to the society in which they came to live.

The mayor's predecessor, Philippe Moreaux, a history professor and member of the Socialist Party, served in that capacity for about 20 years.
One member of the city council said Sunday that “since the end of the period of the major immigration in the 1970s, and until the beginning of the second millennium, the population from North Africa grew fourfold as a result of the law enabling family reunification. The mayor saw it as an opportunity to conduct ‘a social-multicultural laboratory experiment’ … and failed in a big way.’”

It should be noted that Belgium's Socialist Party relies largely on the votes of Muslim residents, and therefore its leaders’ approach to the issue is very complex.

[...]

"Complex"  :lol

Seems like a generous way to put it in a piece basically blaming the Belgian Socialist Party for the attacks.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on November 17, 2015, 12:02:01 PM
Expect to see those debate to pop up more and more in European countries with a large muslim population. Le Parisien newspaper has a piece about the Paris Transport Autonomous Authority (Public owned) where one of the suspected bombers worked 15 months not some long ago, centered into problematic religious behaviours by certain employees. The story went out in 2013 when female employees accused some of their coworkers of not talking to them or refusing to shake hands or greet up to the point of the zealous bus drivers to refuse maning a bus just operated by a women previous, and has been confirmed by union sources although it is hard exactly to quantify how many people are guilty of this. Also talks of employees praying in spite of the work schedule, asking for praying rooms, informal peer pressure directed towards less observant muslims to respect Ramadan and similar things. Anecdotal evidence seems to indicate similar stories can be found in the national railways, airports and a variety of subcontractors (cleaning, baggage handling and transit) where muslim employees are a big part of the workforce.

I won't take a definitive stance on whether employers should accomodate some demands of that nature but refusing to communicate (even on purely professionnal basis) with coworkers because of their gender sounds very disturbing, all the more for public employees of a secular country. On the whole, there's a suspicion that local public authorities are turning a blind eye not to shake the hornet's nest in what, without much surprise, are often poor districts.

With regards to Moleenbeek Saint Jean, the brother of two suspects (One alleged to be a suicide bomber last Friday, the other on the run and wanted, both residents in that Brussels suburb) is working for the city. I want to make clear that he was freed by police and claims he knew nothing of the criminal enterprise. It still at the very least exemplifies just how deep and close potential recruitment in a jihadist cell has become in some places even among people apparently well adjusted.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Rufus on November 17, 2015, 01:36:13 PM
'More suicides' in government disability test areas (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34838539)

Onwards, backwards. :goty2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 17, 2015, 02:03:36 PM
Germany cancelled today's friendly against the Netherlands, evacuating the fans already there:

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/34849263
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on November 17, 2015, 02:18:32 PM
Quote from: Rufus on November 17, 2015, 01:36:13 PM
'More suicides' in government disability test areas (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34838539)

Onwards, backwards. :goty2

French workers have been engaging in suicide as protest for over ten years at this point. Britons gonna have to adapt quicker if they hope to remain a player in the globalized market.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brawndolicious on November 17, 2015, 03:51:37 PM
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Russia’s FSB security service said investigators had concluded from traces of explosives in the wreckage that an improvised bomb had caused the crash.

Alexander Bortnikov, the head of the FSB, said the plane crash was “unequivocally a terrorist act”. Investigators had studied the personal belongings, baggage and debris from the plane wreckage, he said. “According to our experts, a homemade explosive device equivalent to 1kg of TNT went off onboard, which caused the plane to break up in the air, which explains why the fuselage was scattered over such a large territory.”
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/17/egypt-plane-crash-bomb-jet-russia-security-service

Scary that such a little bomb could bring down a plane.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 17, 2015, 04:53:39 PM
Isn't a stick of dynamite like a half pound? A kilo of TNT isn't exactly that small
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 17, 2015, 05:13:49 PM
For perspective, a 60mm mortar is the equivalent of 1 kg or so of TNT and has a blast radius of 25 meters:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bglrt7HLfbk

But they are likely just guesstimating by the damage. I haven't seen anything released even hinting what kind of explosive it was.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on November 17, 2015, 06:07:32 PM
Quote from: CatsCatsCats on November 17, 2015, 04:53:39 PM
Isn't a stick of dynamite like a half pound? A kilo of TNT isn't exactly that small

The wording is a bit stilted, maybe the translation. They're using equivalency to TNT as a scale, but the materials used may have been anything else and more compact.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brawndolicious on November 17, 2015, 06:10:23 PM
Actually a mortar round sounds like the type of thing they would have used in such an IED. A 60 mm one looks small enough to be in a carry on or even a coat pocket.

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on November 17, 2015, 04:53:39 PM
Isn't a stick of dynamite like a half pound? A kilo of TNT isn't exactly that small

Lemme justify a year of o-chem: Dynamite uses nitroglycerin that's soaked into clay to make it less likely to accidentally explode, TNT is short for trinitrotoluene and it's a newer explosive that's even safer to handle. A lot of explosives including nukes are judged by their equivalent weight of TNT.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on November 18, 2015, 04:58:31 PM
The IS has advertised what they claim is the explosive device used against the Russian plane :
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2015/11/islamic-state-releases-photograph-of-bomb-that-brought-down-russian-airliner.php

Muslims today have a loud, thundering statement, and possess heavy boots. They will cause the world to hear and understand the meaning of terrorism, and boots that will trample the idol of nationalism, destroy the idol of democracy, and uncover its deviant nature.

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 18, 2015, 06:15:26 PM
Not much to that picture. The tape hides any clues to how it was triggered or what type of explosive was used. Part of me thinks IS is still full of shit, but I won't say it's impossible.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 18, 2015, 09:53:57 PM
http://qz.com/553713/the-paris-attacks-changed-the-most-crucial-relationship-in-the-russian-economy/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on November 22, 2015, 02:00:56 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/22/robert-mugabe-to-rule-zimbabwe-from-special-wheelchair-says-wife

Never give up.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 22, 2015, 02:17:56 AM
Mugabe to become a Dalek confirmed
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 22, 2015, 02:23:31 AM
This was from earlier in the year: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/mugabe-falls-27-bodyguards-punished-after-zimbabwe-president-stumbles-carpet-1487334

I've read rumors that there's a bit of an internal battle (like duh, of course there is) between his wife and some others as to his succession and that he refuses to pick a side. Last story I read was about her trying to place her people in key places to consolidate her power, Hillary style. And that one dope who was led to believe he was the obvious successor got shuffled off to some diplomatic post in Asia.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Mandark on November 22, 2015, 02:30:35 AM
There's some incentive as a leader with failing health to make your succession uncertain.  Everyone's still jockeying for your favor, there's no heir apparent who can get impatient, etc.  Not quite so great for the stability of the government in the long term, but you'll be dead then anyways.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 22, 2015, 02:38:03 AM
It would be fairly interesting to see a female succession though, she's relatively young too. I don't think there's been a "popularly elected" female President for Life in post-colonization Africa. I suppose that would depend on Ellen Johnson Sirleaf's conduct over the next few years.

Political science would have a field day...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on November 22, 2015, 05:10:58 AM
Two decents articles on current French overall military doctrine and strategy :

http://warontherocks.com/2015/10/frogs-of-war-explaining-the-new-french-military-interventionism/?

http://www.rand.org/blog/2015/11/the-french-way-of-war.html?

I think it highlights well the ambiguous continuation between modern day humanitarian ideals, former colonialism and Western exceptionalism.
With regards to the RAND article, it is touched upon already but it's important to keep in mind with regards to "modest objectives" and "scarcity of means" that bar the US it is pretty much the maximum that major military powers can afford now in terms of projected manpower. Hopes of major political transition in foreign lands through a "benevolent" occupation should probably be thrown to the bin out of sheer impossibility. The powers that be should do well to remember that... because it is not immediatly apparent in their speeches that they do.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on November 23, 2015, 05:23:50 AM
AQ has not been neutralized

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2015/11/al-qaeda-has-not-been-neutralized.php
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on November 24, 2015, 03:40:16 AM
https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/669066088035020800

 :idont
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on November 24, 2015, 03:48:16 AM
Seems farfetched Russian Air Force would be so uncautious. All their fighters operate from within Syria IIRC. We'll see.

Pilots appear to have ejected.

Edit: Russian SU24, apparently confirmed by both parties. It's gonna be a jolly good back and forth to know who's at fault. It's a dangerous game they are playing.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 24, 2015, 04:45:21 AM
Fuuuuuu just what the world needs now  :-\
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: brob on November 24, 2015, 05:45:23 AM
while on the subject of military plane crashes (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/24/us-pakistan-crash-idUSKBN0TD0WE20151124)

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Mukhtiar is the first female pilot of the Pakistan air force to be killed while on duty. The air force had 19 women pilots in 2013, the last year for which the figure was immediately available.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on November 24, 2015, 05:58:08 AM
Quote from: Premium Lager on November 24, 2015, 04:45:21 AM
Fuuuuuu just what the world needs now  :-\

It should not amount to a serious threat of escalation between NATO and Russia, if the higher interest prevails (whatever the truth of the incident...). Lots of negative talk about Turkey dealings (IS oil black markets, etc...) in Western press recently, I could see them being pressured in aligning more closely with NATO policy if they fucked up somehow.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: T-Short on November 24, 2015, 06:36:54 AM
topical week for the headline "Turkey gets into trouble" tho
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on November 24, 2015, 07:39:32 AM
http://warontherocks.com/2015/11/how-the-islamic-states-favorite-strategy-book-explains-recent-terrorist-attacks/

A couple thoughts on IS force projection doctrine.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 24, 2015, 07:52:40 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/24/middleeast/warplane-crashes-near-syria-turkey-border/index.html


Video at this link. Definitely hit by a missile manufactured by the US they are saying.

Anyway bad move on Turkey's part. Really bad move.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on November 24, 2015, 08:02:31 AM
Putin straight up speaking of stab in the back and calling Turkey accomplices to terrorism.
Fun times ahead. Especially in Ankara.

EDIT : A russian chopper looking for the pilots, may have been brought down by rebel fire.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 24, 2015, 08:38:12 AM
View at your own behest  (NSFL) https://twitter.com/allsory_allhor/status/669093496624689152

They rebels killed both pilots.


This is not going to end well for Turkey. Not at all.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Yulwei on November 24, 2015, 09:22:52 AM
There's another video floating around of some fighters shooting at a parachuting pilot, but apparently that one is not from today's incident.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 24, 2015, 09:24:35 AM
Quote from: Yulwei on November 24, 2015, 09:22:52 AM
There's another video floating around of some fighters shooting at a parachuting pilot, but apparently that one is not from today's incident.

Correct that is from some time ago.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 24, 2015, 10:12:19 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 24, 2015, 08:38:12 AM
View at your own behest  (NSFL) https://twitter.com/allsory_allhor/status/669093496624689152

They rebels killed both pilots.


This is not going to end well for Turkey. Not at all.

Russia can't do anything and everyone knows it. That Article V
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 24, 2015, 10:13:58 AM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on November 24, 2015, 10:12:19 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 24, 2015, 08:38:12 AM
View at your own behest  (NSFL) https://twitter.com/allsory_allhor/status/669093496624689152

They rebels killed both pilots.


This is not going to end well for Turkey. Not at all.

Russia can't do anything and everyone knows it. That Article V

 :neogaf


Sure because Putin gives two fucks about some backwater ass ISIL sympathizing president thinks, surely. And as for respect for NATO....Ukraine is all I have to say. 

Edit:

Quote from: Putin
“Today’s loss is linked with a stab in our back delivered by terrorism accomplices. I can’t characterize otherwise what has happened today,”

 :holeup
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 24, 2015, 11:19:41 AM
Russia also has a pretty long history of entering other's air space.  Its something they routinely do to the U.K. 

It would be interesting to know if it was a deliberate thing and if not, which side fucked up, which is something we probably will never find out, at least not in this century. 

https://i.imgur.com/iARdJtM.jpg

this is from two days ago, showing the UK escorting the russian bombers along its airspace. 


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11861425/russian-bombers-fly-british-skies.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 24, 2015, 11:31:15 AM
http://www.wsj.com/articles/turkey-says-russian-fighter-jet-violated-its-airspace-with-syria-1444040488
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_123392.htm

Turkey claimed Russia violated their airspace on October 3rd and 4th as well.  Makes it more likely this was a message to Russia saying stop fucking with us. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on November 24, 2015, 11:38:53 AM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on November 24, 2015, 11:19:41 AM
Russia also has a pretty long history of entering other's air space.  Its something they routinely do to the U.K. 

It would be interesting to know if it was a deliberate thing and if not, which side fucked up, which is something we probably will never find out, at least not in this century. 
https://i.imgur.com/iARdJtM.jpg

this is from two days ago, showing the UK escorting the russian bombers along its airspace. 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11861425/russian-bombers-fly-british-skies.html

They have a reputation to do that but I tend to take it with a grain of salt considering that during the Cold War the most ridiculous sovereign air space violations were probably the ones done by U2 and SR71 recons.

As for who is at fault... It seems like a cut and dried question of whether the plane infringed on Turkey air space but all elements so far make it a muddy question.

- Turkey is doing the same shit over Greece routinely.
- Russian planes have infringed on Turkish air space recently and received warnings not to do that. It seems that at least once the Russian plane locked on his aiming system on Turkish planes, which is a provocative gesture.
- Turkey claims it has given ample forewarning to that specific plane.
- Judging by radar data given so far, Russian plane may have been over Turkey for only a handful of seconds.
- Turkish governement have decided some time ago that their air command should consider a 5km zone into Syrian air as buffer and start warnings to incoming planes at that point.
- Turkey and Syria have both lost planes to each other (One Turkish F4 in 2012, one Syrian Mig23 in 2014)

Hell if I know who's at fault. Did Turkey know it was a Russia craft ? If they did, they knew what they were getting into (esp. since the Prime Minister has said he gave the direct order) and I'd say it was a blunder. It will only put Turkey under pressure from either their NATO partners or Russia.
-
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 24, 2015, 11:39:36 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 24, 2015, 10:13:58 AM
:neogaf


Sure because Putin gives two fucks about some backwater ass ISIL sympathizing president thinks, surely. And as for respect for NATO....Ukraine is all I have to say. 


Do you think Ukraine is a NATO member or are you just otherwise confused?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 24, 2015, 11:40:43 AM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on November 24, 2015, 11:39:36 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 24, 2015, 10:13:58 AM
:neogaf


Sure because Putin gives two fucks about some backwater ass ISIL sympathizing president thinks, surely. And as for respect for NATO....Ukraine is all I have to say. 


Do you think Ukraine is a NATO member or are you just otherwise confused?

Nope but I think NATO warned Russia to which we got a "fuck you" in return essentially. To which of course we turned our tails and ran.


http://www.pewglobal.org/2015/06/10/nato-publics-blame-russia-for-ukrainian-crisis-but-reluctant-to-provide-military-aid/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 24, 2015, 11:41:18 AM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on November 24, 2015, 11:19:41 AM
Russia also has a pretty long history of entering other's air space.  Its something they routinely do to the U.K. 

It would be interesting to know if it was a deliberate thing and if not, which side fucked up, which is something we probably will never find out, at least not in this century. 

https://i.imgur.com/iARdJtM.jpg

this is from two days ago, showing the UK escorting the russian bombers along its airspace. 


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11861425/russian-bombers-fly-british-skies.html

I think it's a monthly event in Alaska.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 24, 2015, 11:48:53 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 24, 2015, 11:40:43 AM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on November 24, 2015, 11:39:36 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 24, 2015, 10:13:58 AM
:neogaf


Sure because Putin gives two fucks about some backwater ass ISIL sympathizing president thinks, surely. And as for respect for NATO....Ukraine is all I have to say. 


Do you think Ukraine is a NATO member or are you just otherwise confused?

Nope but I think NATO warned Russia to which we got a "fuck you" in return essentially. To which of course we turned our tails and ran.


http://www.pewglobal.org/2015/06/10/nato-publics-blame-russia-for-ukrainian-crisis-but-reluctant-to-provide-military-aid/

NATO was reluctant to provide military aid because Ukraine is not a member state. However, when a NATO member is attacked Article V states that an attack on one member is an attack on all. It has only been invoked once (after the September 11th, 2001 attacks) thus the creation of ISAF.

Turkey is a member state so were Russia to attack them in retaliation, the other member states (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO) are sworn to defend Turkey. Yay for WW1 tangled alliances shenanigans!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 24, 2015, 11:50:23 AM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on November 24, 2015, 11:48:53 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 24, 2015, 11:40:43 AM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on November 24, 2015, 11:39:36 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 24, 2015, 10:13:58 AM
:neogaf


Sure because Putin gives two fucks about some backwater ass ISIL sympathizing president thinks, surely. And as for respect for NATO....Ukraine is all I have to say. 


Do you think Ukraine is a NATO member or are you just otherwise confused?

Nope but I think NATO warned Russia to which we got a "fuck you" in return essentially. To which of course we turned our tails and ran.


http://www.pewglobal.org/2015/06/10/nato-publics-blame-russia-for-ukrainian-crisis-but-reluctant-to-provide-military-aid/

NATO was reluctant to provide military aid because Ukraine is not a member state. However, when a NATO member is attacked Article V states that an attack on one member is an attack on all. It has only been invoked once (after the September 11th, 2001 attacks) thus the creation of ISAF.

Turkey is a member state so were Russia to attack them in retaliation, the other member states (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO) are sworn to defend Turkey. Yay for WW1 tangled alliances shenanigans!

No I get it. My point is Russia doesn't care. If Putin wants to fuck with Turkey, he will.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 24, 2015, 11:52:32 AM
Your first sentence might be a bit of an overstatement. This isn't Georgia or Ukraine. We're talking Cuban Missile Crisis levels of East/West tension at the moment.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 24, 2015, 11:57:04 AM
Yep there is a big difference between fucking with soft-allies and NATO members.  Attacking NATO would even make Putin supporters nervous, just like everyone else.

That being said my guess is there will be direct retaliation if Turkish planes ever get close to russian airspace or even indirect retaliation with Russian increasing kurdish support. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 24, 2015, 11:58:44 AM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on November 24, 2015, 11:52:32 AM
Your first sentence might be a bit of an overstatement. This isn't Georgia or Ukraine. We're talking Cuban Missile Crisis levels of East/West tension at the moment.

I didn't say he'd invade the fucking place. But lets see how armed Russia can make that territory via other non-country tied outlets.


Also in the latest edition of who needs a history lesson we have this asshole:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=186622895&postcount=982

:stahp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 24, 2015, 11:58:45 AM
Man, no matter what happens in that part of the world the Kurds just keep #winning.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 24, 2015, 12:01:25 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 24, 2015, 11:58:44 AM
"[L]ets see how armed Russia can make that territory via other non-country tied outlets."

Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on November 24, 2015, 12:11:38 PM
Meanwhile, a bomb attack against a Presidential Guard bus in Tunis. At least 6 dead.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 24, 2015, 12:13:54 PM
I can't help but this ISIL is having a field day watching the most advanced nations on our planet bumblefuck shit up on the regular.


Edit: And people need to stop with the whole "Russia always violates international airspace" because so does the USA, CHINA, all of Europe, and any other nation that has an air force. I mean christ.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 24, 2015, 12:45:50 PM
Part of that narrative is that westerns don't want Russia to be seen as an equal again.  We wouldn't let Egypt or Iran violate airspace and so trying to treat Russia similar to those than to ourselves or China, shows the position we are trying to take with them.  Sure we are in a position were we can violate airspace (and sovereignty) but we want Russia to think twice before they try. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 24, 2015, 12:51:10 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on November 24, 2015, 12:45:50 PM
Part of that narrative is that westerns don't want Russia to be seen as an equal again.  We wouldn't let Egypt or Iran violate airspace and so trying to treat Russia similar to those than to ourselves or China, shows the position we are trying to take with them.  Sure we are in a position were we can violate airspace (and sovereignty) but we want Russia to think twice before they try.

What scares me is the things nobody is talking about.

1) European Sanctions hit russia recently, coupled with oil prices falling this means Russia economy is doing very poorly.
2) Putin is backing the opposite side of the Syrian conflict as the Turkish president.
3) If these pilots are dead Russia will not be satisfied with an "I'm sorry"
4) America hasn't said a damn thing yet, to my knowledge.
5) I'm unsure what Putin actually thinks of NATO as they didn't do anything at all during what clearly was a land grab for oceanfront property Russia employed in the Ukraine.

these are the things that I think about.


Also it's funny to see my facebook full of selfies, recipes, and bitching about partners posts during an event that puts us closer to war than anybody on their has ever seen.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on November 24, 2015, 12:51:31 PM
The reputation goes back to the Soviet Union, so I'd say the narrative is even simpler than that : Soviets / Russians are agressive. They will surely be the one to pull the trigger on WW3. We are a purely defensive alliance.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 24, 2015, 12:52:14 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on November 24, 2015, 12:51:31 PM
The reputation goes back to the Soviet Union, so I'd say the narrative is even simpler than that : Soviets / Russians are agressive. They will surely be the one to pull the trigger on WW3.

Do you know WHY they were aggressive then? Because they were broke.

They are broke now.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on November 24, 2015, 01:01:13 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 24, 2015, 12:52:14 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on November 24, 2015, 12:51:31 PM
The reputation goes back to the Soviet Union, so I'd say the narrative is even simpler than that : Soviets / Russians are agressive. They will surely be the one to pull the trigger on WW3.

Do you know WHY they were aggressive then? Because they were broke.

They are broke now.

Please note I was merely phrasing a narrative, not my actual opinion. Soviets of course felt the same way and were mostly concerned about defending themselves. On the matter of airspace intrusion, it is hard to argue that the US was much more agressive than the Soviets ever could.

Stalin had a rather liberal conception of what constituted a defensive buffer to be sure.

EDIT : I agree that Russia is now once more a worry for Europe.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 24, 2015, 01:03:19 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on November 24, 2015, 01:01:13 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 24, 2015, 12:52:14 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on November 24, 2015, 12:51:31 PM
The reputation goes back to the Soviet Union, so I'd say the narrative is even simpler than that : Soviets / Russians are agressive. They will surely be the one to pull the trigger on WW3.

Do you know WHY they were aggressive then? Because they were broke.

They are broke now.

Please note I was merely phrasing a narrative, not my actual opinion. Soviets of course felt the same way and was mostly concerned about defending itself.

Stalin had a rather liberal conception of what constituted a defensive buffer to be sure.

EDIT : I agree that Russia is now once more a worry for Europe.

Technically if Hitler would have given them Poland, the Soviet Union would have probably stayed out of it. They wanted the territory. Hitler's major fuckup was bringing them into the war. But I digress, this isn't the place for this conversation
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: VomKriege on November 24, 2015, 01:17:26 PM
My remarks were more obviously adressing their Cold War policy and a possible war with NATO.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 24, 2015, 01:33:43 PM
(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/704/amz/vivo/live/images/2015/11/24/a7cdbdd2-c593-49d5-917c-2e6af4bcd2f1.jpg)


 :beli
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 24, 2015, 02:18:15 PM
Welp

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUmUY-FW4AIYh0u.png)

Somebody is lying
Title: Re: International Politics Thread
Post by: Broseidon on November 24, 2015, 04:12:33 PM
sweet 90-degree turn
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: VomKriege on November 25, 2015, 08:34:44 PM
After being defeated a few weeks ago, the law for cigarettes neutral packaging was finally passed tonight by 2 votes in France. :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 25, 2015, 09:01:47 PM
No more fumer tue?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: VomKriege on November 26, 2015, 04:04:42 AM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on November 25, 2015, 09:01:47 PM
No more fumer tue?

No, cigarette packs (and a certain number of tobacco products) will be sold in generic, plain packaging with no elements of the tobacco company branding (logos, fonts, graphics...). It has been adopted in Australia. The big ass warning signs stay.
I'm a big smoker but it's always nice to see political power standing for public health and giving the finger to big business.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 26, 2015, 01:33:39 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/RnrBnPH.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 26, 2015, 02:22:47 PM
To be fair Russia is backing a full blow mass murderer pretty much right out in the open.

This shit smells like Vietnam part II....just with more Russian and less Chinese support so far.

France goes in hard
United States back France
Russia backs Syria and loyal rebel forces
United States supports forces trying to depose a dictator
What? No really it's about ISIL....sure...

Next to happen
US puts forces in Turkey
Turkey Runs its mouth because it still thinks it's the Ottoman Empire
Russia slaps turkey
Here we go
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 26, 2015, 04:12:09 PM
There is already an airbase in Turkey and fighters and A-10s were already forward deployed there for anti-IS operations last summer. Now that Russia is deploying air defense artillery to the Northwest corner of Syria things could get interesting.

Edit: Also the US is not backing France, France is backing the US:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUjTF-LUYAAsJAy.jpg)

VomKriege mentioned this before, but France just doesn't have the military capacity to "go hard" (at least from an American perspective) in 2015.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: VomKriege on November 26, 2015, 06:04:03 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 26, 2015, 02:22:47 PM
To be fair Russia is backing a full blow mass murderer pretty much right out in the open.

This shit smells like Vietnam part II....just with more Russian and less Chinese support so far.

France goes in hard
United States back France
Russia backs Syria and loyal rebel forces
United States supports forces trying to depose a dictator
What? No really it's about ISIL....sure...

Next to happen
US puts forces in Turkey
Turkey Runs its mouth because it still thinks it's the Ottoman Empire
Russia slaps turkey
Here we go

I'd hedge my bets on :

Lots of bombing.
IS pushed back into clandestinity, still a problem for 20 years.
Syria and Iraq a total basket case.
Another djihadist group raising to prominence to steal IS thunder in a few years.
Rinse. Repeat.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 26, 2015, 06:20:09 PM
French spellings of Arabic words really mess with me:

bordj

djoundi/djounoud

mintaka

marabout

bachaga (I think this is Turkish actually)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 27, 2015, 07:57:36 AM
Some insight into David Cameron's 70,000 number from yesterday. Bolded part is a little scary IMO:

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"As diplomatic efforts for Syria gain pace [...] the definition of “moderate” has been shifting. The most effective definition now must be based upon a combined assessment of (a) what groups are acknowledged as being opposed to ISIL and (b) what groups our governments want, or need to be involved in a political process."

(http://i.imgur.com/fp5pqmp.png)

http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/yes-there-are-70000-moderate-opposition-fighters-in-syria-heres-what-we-know-about-them/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Broseidon on November 27, 2015, 08:52:05 AM
Do any of those groupings include Liwa Thuwwar al-Raqqa or any of the other smaller FSA groups working as part of Euphrates Volcano/SAC/SDF/whatever the fuck? They've probably got a few thousand fighters and I heard they've been undergoing expansion recently to bulk up the Arab contingent of the YPG/FSA alliance.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 27, 2015, 09:37:47 AM
Yeah, Liwa Thuwar al-Raqqa is almost surely included as a faction of the Northern Free Syrian Army:

(http://www.joshualandis.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/LiwaThuwarRaqqaEmblem2-450x450.png)

I assume you can read that but in case I have you confused with someone else it says FSA on the top and Liwa Thuwar al-Raqqa on the bottom. But where have you heard thousands? I didn't think they are quite that large. Here's a fairly recent interview quoting only 30 martyrs from Kobani, Tel Abyad, and Ain Issa combined which seems a little low for a brigade-sized element in those battles:

http://www.joshualandis.com/blog/liwa-thuwar-al-raqqa-history-analysis-interview/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Broseidon on November 27, 2015, 10:25:16 AM
For the couple of thousands figure I was speaking more of all the small Arab groups operating East of Jarablus, not just them explicitly. Sorry for not being clear. I don't really have a source, I was more going off videos and such over the last month or two of new recruits being sworn in etc.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 27, 2015, 10:28:22 AM
Are the recruits just young people coming of age or something else? My understanding was that these small "moderate" militias are essentially tribal. They don't have an ideology to sell like the Salafists and thus recruitment is limited.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Broseidon on November 27, 2015, 10:56:58 AM
I don't really know, but it does look like there's some younger guys in there

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTiQTbyUkAAPUI8.jpg:large)

https://twitter.com/arabthomness/status/668177577274531840

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the people involved are from FSA-aligned outfits that were driven underground after the ISIS takeover and have now been able to re-establish themselves in the safety of Rojava. There's also probably quite a few Arabs in areas now under YPG/SDF control who simply want to fight back against ISIS.

Whatever the numbers, it seems Sunni Arabs those areas are sincerely trying to establish capable fighting groups.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 28, 2015, 12:27:34 PM
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43556.htm#.Vlkoeq4xXfc.facebook

also this was interesting

https://i.imgur.com/P1Fh5Gj.png
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: VomKriege on November 30, 2015, 02:27:04 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/nov/29/peaceful-paris-climate-gathering-descends-into-clashes-with-police

The votive candles that have piled up on the monument in the centre of Place de la Republiqué since the terror attacks were also hurled at police. Afterwards the street was littered with broken glass, candles and flowers.

Anarchists  :PP  :trash
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: brob on November 30, 2015, 06:09:57 AM
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1aa6c886-91d1-11e5-bd82-c1fb87bef7af.html#axzz3ssri6UVh

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There are signs that government cuts are damaging business confidence. The private sector, dependent on government spending, is reeling from the sharp retrenchment. “The business community feels there are too many sudden changes in regulations and where we’re going. We need stability in the way we move forward,” says Lama al-Sulaiman, vice-president of the chamber of commerce in Jeddah.

Private sector growth, which has this year fallen to 2.9 per cent from 5 per cent last year, is crucial for creating employment for the hundreds of thousands of Saudis who enter the job market every year, especially given the limits on expansion in the public sector.

The ruling family, backed by the clerical establishment, have for decades provided jobs and a cheap cost of living for their subjects in return for loyalty to the tribally based, authoritarian system of governance. At the height of the unrest that swept the Arab world, the government showered the population with salary increases and new social spending while cracking down on dissent. Five years on, moves to change the social contract threaten to upend that delicate balance of power as regional threats abound.

Human rights groups say the government continues to use the judicial system to stifle dissent by jailing Shia and pro-democracy activists for anti-government activity, as well as religious crimes such as apostasy or insulting Islam. The number of executions this year has risen to the highest level in two decades, prompting increasing scrutiny of the tough judicial system that mirrors some of the punishments meted out by Isis in the areas it controls in Syria.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 30, 2015, 01:07:02 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on November 30, 2015, 02:27:04 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/nov/29/peaceful-paris-climate-gathering-descends-into-clashes-with-police

The votive candles that have piled up on the monument in the centre of Place de la Republiqué since the terror attacks were also hurled at police. Afterwards the street was littered with broken glass, candles and flowers.

Anarchists  :PP  :trash

I heard on democracy now this morning that's there's footage of the police being the ones trampling the candles and flowers  :yeshrug

Pretty convenient to be in a state of emergency banning all protests during the climate talk
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 30, 2015, 11:19:34 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/3uugeh/russian_tv_claims_assad_granting_federalism_for/

that would be a big thing both in terms of the war and international relations if true.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: benjipwns on November 30, 2015, 11:25:29 PM
Yeah, but Kiselyov...

Yeah, but:
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Upon further research, it seems like Kiselev is actually right. Here's ekurd.net (http://ekurd.net/assad-regime-ready-to-accept-kurdish-autonomy-in-syrian-kurdistan-2015-04-20) reporting about Assad promising to negotiate the autonomy. You can find the same quote repeated in multiple other sources.
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“The Syrian leadership is ready to negotiate over the project for self-management,” National Reconciliation Minister Ali Haydar told Kurdish Rudaw news agency Sunday.
Assad also talked about negotating the autonomy in the interview to ria.ru (http://ria.ru/interview/20150916/1253674881.html) back in September.
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And yet, Rudaw didn't relay the news. This is strange. Because it's big and it should be a headline on their site http://rudaw.net/english. So weird a source not publishing its own news
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 01, 2015, 01:46:00 AM
Seems half true at best and it's not really that big of a thing since Assad would be negotiating over land he doesn't control and isn't fighting for.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: benjipwns on December 01, 2015, 02:12:25 AM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on December 01, 2015, 01:46:00 AM
Assad would be negotiating over land he doesn't control and isn't fighting for.
The best kind of offering!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 01, 2015, 02:27:25 AM
I guess if Kerry can do it so can Assad.  8)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: VomKriege on December 01, 2015, 05:22:19 AM
Quote from: CatsCatsCats on November 30, 2015, 01:07:02 PM
I heard on democracy now this morning that's there's footage of the police being the ones trampling the candles and flowers  :yeshrug

Pretty convenient to be in a state of emergency banning all protests during the climate talk

The trampling is possible (on video actually) but the immediate reporting mentioned candles and other stuff from memorial and demonstrations being thrown at police as shown here (starting at 1m30):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZLa7YVQ-_g&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop

When you're coming with black masks and leather gloves, you're there to stir shit. No ifs about it, we see the same morons at all those summits. I don't think the emergency measures and their abuses (very worthy of discussion) gives them any more legitimacy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 01, 2015, 08:44:49 AM
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/paris-is-a-snapshot-of-our-hot-violent-militarized-future

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Yesterday, protesters clashed with police, after France banned public demonstrations and 24 activists were preemptively placed under house arrest.

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“Twenty-four environmental activists have been placed under house arrest ahead of the Paris climate summit, using France’s state of emergency laws,” France 24 reports. The TV station interviewed two of the arrestees, who told their stories:

“They entered the apartment with shotguns and assault rifles. It was quite violent. They pinned us to the ground,” said Amélie, a young barmaid who did not wish to give her full name. “It lasted quite a long time. We had no idea why they were there.”

The officers handed Amélie a restraining order informing her that she can no longer leave Rennes, is required to register three times a day at the local police station, and must stay at home between 8 PM and 6 AM.

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It’s understandable that French authorities would be intensely worried about another attack, its vulnerabilities so recently laid bare, and with the city populated by the world’s chief governors. But instating and executing a law to curtail public demonstration—laws some critics are calling “precrime” laws—looks a lot like a slippery slope.

"I think what the government is really clamping down on ... [people who are] daring to oppose the government," Muriel Ruef, a lawyer representing one of the arrestees, told Al Jazeera. "It's the first time in a very long time I've seen anything like this."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/30/world/europe/france-uses-sweeping-powers-to-curb-climate-protests-but-clashes-erupt.html

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Juliette Rousseau, the head of Coalition Climat 21, an umbrella group for environmental activists, said the authorities had searched homes and seized computers and other equipment belonging to activists who have no connection to terrorism.

“There’s clearly an environment to keep activists out,” she said. “The state of emergency is clearly targeting activist movements. This is not justified. These people under house arrest, they don’t have any kind of criminal record.”

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Mr. Domenjoud said he had put in a request to demonstrate on Wednesday in advance of the climate conference, even though he knew that public marches had been banned. On Thursday, he said, police told him he was under house arrest because of his “leadership role” among activists.

“Thursday my neighbor called to say the whole building was filled with police,” he said. “Then the police called to say I should go to the police station, immediately.”

“It seems totally scandalous,” Mr. Domenjoud said. “I am being subjected to this without having been judged. To me, this is a very serious misapplication of the state of emergency.”

(http://i.imgur.com/7ePSReXl.jpg)

Liberté, égalité, fraternité

Terrorist attack two weeks ago, let's go kick some doors of environmentalists and ban public demonstrations. Interesting how a remnant of de Gaullean lite dictatorship from the Algerian war of the 1950s finds itself useful in 2015 battling environmentalists.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: VomKriege on December 01, 2015, 11:03:07 AM
House arrests of political activists and administrative seizings will have to be relaxed before too long, it's already stirring people and the shock from the attack has been dulled. We have a fairly statist culture over here so people will not mind the use of that with regards to immediate threats (or to unlawful firearms detention and trafficking / drug dealing), but it will bite the governement in the ass if they use it for unrelated reasons. Keep in mind that Hollande will have to face the elections in less than 2 years and he is semi-expected to lose. Abusing emergency measures will not do him any favors, his popularity bumped in the wake of the attacks but he's still way under 50% in the approval polls.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 02, 2015, 08:21:17 PM
So ISIS killed a Russian "spy" and taunted Putin.

How stupid are these guys?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 03, 2015, 12:17:41 AM
Not that stupid—IS appears strong when they antagonize great powers. Being bombed shores up support, creates more dependence from the population they control, and aids in jihadi recruitment. If IS can draw Russia into another Afghanistan-style graveyard of empires they earn their place in history. Next question.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 03, 2015, 05:10:07 AM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on December 03, 2015, 12:17:41 AM
Not that stupid—IS appears strong when they antagonize great powers. Being bombed shores up support, creates more dependence from the population they control, and aids in jihadi recruitment. If IS can draw Russia into another Afghanistan-style graveyard of empires they earn their place in history. Next question.

How does this even compare remotely to Afghanistan?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: brawndolicious on December 03, 2015, 10:07:30 AM
Since they don't care about protecting a homeland, it's pretty different in that their idea of a winning is much...I want to say easier. It doesn't seem like they have any real goals beyond sustaining an insurgency in the region and fighting for the sake of creating chaos, which is probably the reason they don't feel the need to be backed by an ally that can give them antivehicle weapons. Plus a lot of them don't care about dying as shown by the suicide attacks. I think Russia/France/etc know this type of group is nearly impossible to permanently eradicate as they just appeal to those who want a new caliphate.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 04, 2015, 12:36:43 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 03, 2015, 05:10:07 AM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on December 03, 2015, 12:17:41 AM
Not that stupid—IS appears strong when they antagonize great powers. Being bombed shores up support, creates more dependence from the population they control, and aids in jihadi recruitment. If IS can draw Russia into another Afghanistan-style graveyard of empires they earn their place in history. Next question.

How does this even compare remotely to Afghanistan?

The parallels are many: A Russian client state in the midst of a civil war, Russia increases troop presence to support the government they want in power, a country overrun with powerful foreign-backed fighters (most of whom are jihadists.) This only ends badly for Russia if they go all in.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2015, 04:01:22 AM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on December 04, 2015, 12:36:43 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 03, 2015, 05:10:07 AM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on December 03, 2015, 12:17:41 AM
Not that stupid—IS appears strong when they antagonize great powers. Being bombed shores up support, creates more dependence from the population they control, and aids in jihadi recruitment. If IS can draw Russia into another Afghanistan-style graveyard of empires they earn their place in history. Next question.

How does this even compare remotely to Afghanistan?

The parallels are many: A Russian client state in the midst of a civil war, Russia increases troop presence to support the government they want in power, a country overrun with powerful foreign-backed fighters (most of whom are jihadists.) This only ends badly for Russia if they go all in.

Lol no.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Boogie on December 04, 2015, 11:38:51 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2015, 04:01:22 AM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on December 04, 2015, 12:36:43 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 03, 2015, 05:10:07 AM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on December 03, 2015, 12:17:41 AM
Not that stupid—IS appears strong when they antagonize great powers. Being bombed shores up support, creates more dependence from the population they control, and aids in jihadi recruitment. If IS can draw Russia into another Afghanistan-style graveyard of empires they earn their place in history. Next question.

How does this even compare remotely to Afghanistan?

The parallels are many: A Russian client state in the midst of a civil war, Russia increases troop presence to support the government they want in power, a country overrun with powerful foreign-backed fighters (most of whom are jihadists.) This only ends badly for Russia if they go all in.

Lol no.

Yeah, your "loud drunk uncle" foreign affairs analysis is much more insightful.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2015, 11:43:31 AM
Quote from: Boogie on December 04, 2015, 11:38:51 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2015, 04:01:22 AM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on December 04, 2015, 12:36:43 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 03, 2015, 05:10:07 AM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on December 03, 2015, 12:17:41 AM
Not that stupid—IS appears strong when they antagonize great powers. Being bombed shores up support, creates more dependence from the population they control, and aids in jihadi recruitment. If IS can draw Russia into another Afghanistan-style graveyard of empires they earn their place in history. Next question.

How does this even compare remotely to Afghanistan?

The parallels are many: A Russian client state in the midst of a civil war, Russia increases troop presence to support the government they want in power, a country overrun with powerful foreign-backed fighters (most of whom are jihadists.) This only ends badly for Russia if they go all in.

Lol no.

Yeah, your "loud drunk uncle" foreign affairs analysis is much more insightful.

Never claimed to be an expert but let's get one thing straight, neither are you hamfisted solo for life leftist shitards.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Boogie on December 04, 2015, 11:50:09 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2015, 11:43:31 AM
Quote from: Boogie on December 04, 2015, 11:38:51 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2015, 04:01:22 AM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on December 04, 2015, 12:36:43 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 03, 2015, 05:10:07 AM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on December 03, 2015, 12:17:41 AM
Not that stupid—IS appears strong when they antagonize great powers. Being bombed shores up support, creates more dependence from the population they control, and aids in jihadi recruitment. If IS can draw Russia into another Afghanistan-style graveyard of empires they earn their place in history. Next question.

How does this even compare remotely to Afghanistan?

The parallels are many: A Russian client state in the midst of a civil war, Russia increases troop presence to support the government they want in power, a country overrun with powerful foreign-backed fighters (most of whom are jihadists.) This only ends badly for Russia if they go all in.

Lol no.

Yeah, your "loud drunk uncle" foreign affairs analysis is much more insightful.

Never claimed to be an expert but let's get one thing straight, neither are you hamfisted solo for life leftist shitards.

Lol

Not to get all credentialist here, but Manhug is practically an expert, since he has a degree in international studies, and focuses on insurgencies, and is a veteran with multiple tours in theatre. 

Me? I'm out of date academically, but I do have a degree in history and poli sci, with a focus on international relations and Russian history and foreign policy.

But yeah, keep pretending you're the one with the knowledge on this subject. :lol

You really need to stop pretending that you're posting on a forum of 15-year olds.


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2015, 12:14:43 PM
Quote from: Boogie on December 04, 2015, 11:50:09 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2015, 11:43:31 AM
Quote from: Boogie on December 04, 2015, 11:38:51 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2015, 04:01:22 AM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on December 04, 2015, 12:36:43 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 03, 2015, 05:10:07 AM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on December 03, 2015, 12:17:41 AM
Not that stupid—IS appears strong when they antagonize great powers. Being bombed shores up support, creates more dependence from the population they control, and aids in jihadi recruitment. If IS can draw Russia into another Afghanistan-style graveyard of empires they earn their place in history. Next question.

How does this even compare remotely to Afghanistan?

The parallels are many: A Russian client state in the midst of a civil war, Russia increases troop presence to support the government they want in power, a country overrun with powerful foreign-backed fighters (most of whom are jihadists.) This only ends badly for Russia if they go all in.

Lol no.

Yeah, your "loud drunk uncle" foreign affairs analysis is much more insightful.

Never claimed to be an expert but let's get one thing straight, neither are you hamfisted solo for life leftist shitards.

Lol

Not to get all credentialist here, but Manhug is practically an expert, since he has a degree in international studies, and focuses on insurgencies, and is a veteran with multiple tours in theatre. 

Me? I'm out of date academically, but I do have a degree in history and poli sci, with a focus on international relations and Russian history and foreign policy.

But yeah, keep pretending you're the one with the knowledge on this subject. :lol

You really need to stop pretending that you're posting on a forum of 15-year olds.

Oh yeah? Spend a lot of the time on the ground around insurgents do you? Oh wait, that "idiot uncle" of mine did. No offense here but I'll take the word of the guy who walks through the puddle, not the one from a guy who read it was wet. Awesome to disrespect solders though, very classy look...so new age  liberal of you.

And no offense but busting out a Poly Sci degree is the functional equivalent of a marketing degree. Everybody has one and nobody works in the field.


And to finish comparing ISIS to Afghanistan is pretty ridiculous. Consider that there weren't a plethora of nations over there and it pretty much as an excuse to test US technology versus the Russians without inciting the world.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Mandark on December 04, 2015, 12:17:35 PM
Boogie ain't a liberal and Samson served overseas.  Also I'm pretty sure Boogie was calling you the drunk uncle in this scenario.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2015, 12:18:27 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 04, 2015, 12:17:35 PM
Boogie ain't a liberal and Samson served overseas.  Also I'm pretty sure Boogie was calling you the drunk uncle in this scenario.

Ah it that case, noted and accept  :mynicca
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: benjipwns on December 04, 2015, 12:23:25 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2015, 12:14:43 PM
Oh yeah? Spend a lot of the time on the ground around insurgents do you? Oh wait, that "idiot uncle" of mine did.
Your uncle hung out with insurgents?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2015, 12:24:43 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on December 04, 2015, 12:23:25 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2015, 12:14:43 PM
Oh yeah? Spend a lot of the time on the ground around insurgents do you? Oh wait, that "idiot uncle" of mine did.
Your uncle hung out with insurgents?

Actually during the first Iraqi war apparently most of them (Not sure we called them insurgents back then, I think we went with friendly militia or whatever buzz word was prevalent in the 90's) were trying to hop of the US bandwagon. So we of course trained them and then they used it against us when we left them in the lurch, same thing we did in Afghanistan.

And then we learned our lesson.....just kidding.....we did the same thing with W's war too.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Boogie on December 04, 2015, 12:28:11 PM
Yeah, that totally sounds like something that happened.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2015, 12:29:31 PM
Quote from: Boogie on December 04, 2015, 12:28:11 PM
Yeah, that totally sounds like something that happened.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/08/18/the-terrorists-fighting-us-now-we-just-finished-training-them/

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/03/blowback.html

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/313792-turkey-islamic-state-syria/

:snoop



Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Mandark on December 04, 2015, 12:34:30 PM
Who was the US training during the first Gulf War, though?  Don't remember using proxy forces for that.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Boogie on December 04, 2015, 12:38:04 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 04, 2015, 12:34:30 PM
Who was the US training during the first Gulf War, though?  Don't remember using proxy forces for that.

I mean, it's been obvious for a while that his reading comprehension of others is lacking, but I didn't realize it extended to shit he writes himself, too.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Mandark on December 04, 2015, 12:42:55 PM
There were the uprisings in '91, from Shiites in the south and Kurds in the north, which IIRC the first Bush administration encouraged through radio broadcasts, etc.  Saddam's forces stomped it out, and I think the no fly zone was a pretty direct result of this (to keep his forces from pursuing the Kurds).

But that's not really a case of blowback, since the groups involved were Kurdish forces and groups like SCIRI.  Those groups weren't sources of the insurgency after the second Iraqi War.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 04, 2015, 12:43:46 PM
Sorry for being a ham-handed foreveralone, Am_I_Anonymous, but there were a "plethora of nations over there" during the Soviet-Afghan War. The US, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, the UK, and even China worked directly through Pakistan's ISI to support the jihadists. The two conflicts aren't perfect facsimiles, but I think Russia is wary of making the same mistakes again.

The Russian foreign minister even went so far as to suggest that the US take an increased role (https://www.rt.com/news/324487-lavrov-kurds-turkish-border/) in Northern Syria with the Kurds to close the entire Turkish border.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Boogie on December 04, 2015, 12:46:51 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 04, 2015, 12:42:55 PM
There were the uprisings in '91, from Shiites in the south and Kurds in the north, which IIRC the first Bush administration encouraged through radio broadcasts, etc.  Saddam's forces stomped it out, and I think the no fly zone was a pretty direct result of this (to keep his forces from pursuing the Kurds).

But that's not really a case of blowback, since the groups involved were Kurdish forces and groups like SCIRI.  Those groups weren't sources of the insurgency after the second Iraqi War.

Yeah, that was my only thought as well, but as you say those groups didn't "come back against us".

But other than "encourage" that Shiite uprising, did the US even fund or train any fighters involved in it?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2015, 12:47:58 PM
Quote from: Boogie on December 04, 2015, 12:38:04 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 04, 2015, 12:34:30 PM
Who was the US training during the first Gulf War, though?  Don't remember using proxy forces for that.

I mean, it's been obvious for a while that his reading comprehension of others is lacking, but I didn't realize it extended to shit he writes himself, too.

I mean i'm not going to do it for you. Perhaps you should go read about Saudi Arabia and the Gulf war a little bit. Just saying you sound pretty bad here. I am aware you get a boner trying to fuck with me but jesus man, at least ground it in some type of reality

And you'll counter with "I wasn't aware Saudi Arabia was involved in ISIS" and then I'll laugh and we can move onto talking about PD and dicks or whatever.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Mandark on December 04, 2015, 12:48:23 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2015, 12:47:58 PM
I mean i'm not going to do it for you. Perhaps you should go read about Saudi Arabia and the Gulf war a little bit. Just saying you sound pretty bad here. I am aware you get a boner trying to fuck with me but jesus man, at least ground it in some type of reality

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 04, 2015, 12:48:57 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 04, 2015, 12:42:55 PM
There were the uprisings in '91, from Shiites in the south and Kurds in the north, which IIRC the first Bush administration encouraged through radio broadcasts, etc.  Saddam's forces stomped it out, and I think the no fly zone was a pretty direct result of this (to keep his forces from pursuing the Kurds).

But that's not really a case of blowback, since the groups involved were Kurdish forces and groups like SCIRI.  Those groups weren't sources of the insurgency after the second Iraqi War.

Yeah, those Shiites felt betrayed by the US for not supporting the rebellion it encouraged. The blowback here is not so much that US-trained fighters used those arms against the US, it's that they looked to Iran for support instead—especially during OIF.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2015, 12:50:07 PM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on December 04, 2015, 12:48:57 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 04, 2015, 12:42:55 PM
There were the uprisings in '91, from Shiites in the south and Kurds in the north, which IIRC the first Bush administration encouraged through radio broadcasts, etc.  Saddam's forces stomped it out, and I think the no fly zone was a pretty direct result of this (to keep his forces from pursuing the Kurds).

But that's not really a case of blowback, since the groups involved were Kurdish forces and groups like SCIRI.  Those groups weren't sources of the insurgency after the second Iraqi War.

Yeah, those Shiites felt betrayed by the US for not supporting the rebellion it encouraged. The blowback here is not so much that US-trained fighters used those arms against the US, it's that they looked to Iranian for support instead—especially during OIF.

We're good at that whole encourage rebellions and run away shit. :snoop
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Boogie on December 04, 2015, 12:54:10 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2015, 12:47:58 PM
I mean i'm not going to do it for you. Perhaps you should go read about Saudi Arabia and the Gulf war a little bit. Just saying you sound pretty bad here. I am aware you get a boner trying to fuck with me but jesus man, at least ground it in some type of reality


(http://media2.giphy.com/media/Fml0fgAxVx1eM/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2015, 12:55:11 PM
Quote from: Boogie on December 04, 2015, 12:54:10 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2015, 12:47:58 PM
I mean i'm not going to do it for you. Perhaps you should go read about Saudi Arabia and the Gulf war a little bit. Just saying you sound pretty bad here. I am aware you get a boner trying to fuck with me but jesus man, at least ground it in some type of reality


(http://media2.giphy.com/media/Fml0fgAxVx1eM/giphy.gif)

I get it. Crow tastes bad. All good we can move along now.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Mandark on December 04, 2015, 12:55:45 PM
"I bet you never knew Saudi Arabia had ties to ISIS!" is like an international politics version of "Did you know SMB2 isn't a real Super Mario game? They added Mario characters for the western version."  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2015, 12:56:38 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 04, 2015, 12:55:45 PM
"I bet you never knew Saudi Arabia had ties to ISIS!" is like an international politics version of "Did you know SMB2 isn't a real Super Mario game? They added Mario characters for the western version."  :doge

Or sarcasm, but please put me in whatever narrative helps you sleep better at night. :heh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 04, 2015, 01:03:48 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 04, 2015, 12:55:45 PM
"I bet you never knew Saudi Arabia had ties to ISIS!" is like an international politics version of "Did you know SMB2 isn't a real Super Mario game? They added Mario characters for the western version."  :doge

 :ohhh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Mandark on December 04, 2015, 01:07:13 PM
This conversation has probably reached the internet point of no return, but...

AIA, you said that the US was training militia groups during the first Gulf War, who later turned against the US (presumably in the 00's Iraqi insurgency).  None of the three links you posted say anything at all like that.  If you do have a source for this, I'd actually be really interested to read it.  But you're mistaken if you think that nobody else here is familiar with the idea of blowback (especially Boogie, who was schooling people about Ghost Wars a decade ago).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Broseidon on December 04, 2015, 01:17:06 PM
RT and WashingtonsBlog :heh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: brob on December 06, 2015, 05:55:11 PM
french elections are going great for the far right (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35018849) and in finland they are having fascist rallies (https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/673598262931247104)

 :trash
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 06, 2015, 11:07:27 PM
https://twitter.com/rcallimachi/status/673685037087219712
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: VomKriege on December 07, 2015, 01:44:33 AM
Quote from: brob on December 06, 2015, 05:55:11 PM
french elections are going great for the far right (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35018849)
 :trash

Well, expected sadly. FN polling on top nationally by a point is not that important by itself, although it is still a victory for them. It should be noted that they did so despite a slightly increased voter turnout, so it's gonna be harder to just handwave the thing as some sort of temper tantrum with no real deep ingrainment. "There's not <X>% of xenophobic, racists, fascists voters in France", there's totally is, the FN has been around long enough now, don't tell me people casting their votes are unaware of their platform.

They gathered the most voters in 6 regions out of 13 (regions were redesigned for this election from a previous 22) and do over 40% in North-Pas de Calais-Picardy & Provence-Alpes-Cote D'Azur, so they will probably win there regardless of any political deals going on (Socialist lists are to be pulled back already). Lead elsewhere is less substantial but when all is said and done they could very well take 4 to 6 regions total.

I haven't watched debate night because it's already depressing as it is and I already know that the issue will continue to be viewed through blinders. The far right is riding on the systemic economic problem (unemployment), what is perceived -not without some justification- as an imposed European integration process that mostly serve major economic interests with too few benefits and rights for the common citizen, the fossilization of the traditional parties and political system and a hefty amount of xenophobia and belief that they will be the Providential Men able to carry some amount of necessary shake up.

The last 2 are largely "unadressable" (I expect the providential aura to dispel quite a bit upon contact with real responsibilities) but all the others are real problems that the traditional parties are not adressing properly. And they will probably continue to do so until at least the next presidential election likely nasty results, which is the key and central event of politics here.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 07, 2015, 07:25:03 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/beijing-smog-red-alert-issued-schools-and-businesses-to-completely-shut-down-as-chinese-capital-a6763286.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: chronovore on December 08, 2015, 07:29:59 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/23/frankie-boyle-fallout-paris-psychopathic-autopilot
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You can’t get rid of an ideology by destroying its leaders; you’d think if there’s anything “Christian” countries should know, it’s that. Europe has rejected the death penalty on moral grounds, and yet we relax this view when it comes to a group who want to be martyred. You can’t bomb ideas.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 08, 2015, 07:51:34 PM
Kandahar Airfield in Afghanistan (one of three major airfields left) attacked by the Taliban and the perimeter breached today for the first time since it was captured in 2001.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/09/world/asia/taliban-suicide-bombers-attack-base-in-kandahar-afghanistan.html

First the fall (and subsequent recapture) of Kunduz a couple months ago and now this. This Spring's fighting season should be interesting. Further troop reductions (from 10,000 to 5,500) have been delayed another year but not sure what that actually means for the security situation.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: VomKriege on December 09, 2015, 03:28:54 AM
Quote from: chronovore on December 08, 2015, 07:29:59 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/23/frankie-boyle-fallout-paris-psychopathic-autopilot

Could not he have strung a couple more clichés ?
I don't mind tearing apart eulogies and the like, but the whole "well Europe was picking its nose like a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow while the enlightened Islam 10 centuries ago was doing this or that..."*  :smug when speaking of movements more than happy to blow up major archeological so called pagan sites would be pretty hilarious.

The same stock editorials on both sides over and over again.

* Well maybe they should have spent some of that knowledge on inventing heavy cavalry then.  :derp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: chronovore on December 09, 2015, 05:55:52 AM
Frankie Boyle is an equal opportunity offender.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: benjipwns on December 09, 2015, 09:29:20 AM
Great breakdown of the Venezuela disaster:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjvqLnhVrCI

~4:40+

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i miss kara  :(
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: benjipwns on December 09, 2015, 09:41:08 AM
Okay, sorry, but this one is too awesome to not include:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tyuJbhA-44

 :dead

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bento barreirinhas 1 day ago
 gays lgbt etc. have always been against socialism. They have always been on the side of imperialism. Look no further than the nazis. Look at present day far-right neonazis in Europe.
Lgbt activism etc. is a front for fascism. Any socialist party should dissociate themselves from any link to those that are pernicious to workers power.
You can include in this group femen (allied with ukrainian nazis), ecofascists, anarchists and trotskyists.
Any movement which main objective is not workers power is an ennemy.
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Rum Dreg 1 day ago
 SJW being useful idiots? What a surprise
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trev moffatt 2 days ago (edited)
 Wonder if the new government in Kiev has a LGBT representative?  Or whether NATO hawk Erdogan of Turkey is a great champion of gay marriage.

It wouldn't be so bad if the US was consistent in its Liberal critiques. Of course it applies them very selectively - mostly against countries that reject Liberal economics.

If a country Liberalizes its economy - then the other Liberal stuff can be put on ice (indefinitely) .
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 10, 2015, 06:14:17 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35060935
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 11, 2015, 03:34:55 PM
:dead

"Let’s give Saudi Arabia the world’s tiniest gold star for finally allowing women to vote"

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/25/9206197/saudi-women-vote
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Shadow Mod on December 11, 2015, 04:14:44 PM
Can't drive themselves to the polling place though...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Mupepe on December 11, 2015, 05:25:11 PM
Quote from: Shadow Mod on December 11, 2015, 04:14:44 PM
Can't drive themselves to the polling place though...
No need to be sexist and resort to stereotypes
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 12, 2015, 12:31:52 AM
Op-ed on Poland sounds a lot like Trump's US:

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The rise of these parties is symptomatic of the explosion of threatened majorities as a force in European politics. They blame the loss of control over their lives, real or imagined, on a conspiracy between cosmopolitan-minded elites and tribal-minded immigrants. They blame liberal ideas and institutions for weakening the national will and eroding national unity. They tend to see compromise as corruption and zealousness as conviction.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/12/opinion/why-poland-is-turning-away-from-the-west.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Mandark on December 12, 2015, 12:39:02 AM
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-09/putin-proves-obama-prescient-on-syria-as-russia-faces-quagmire-ihzauuvr

Revisiting the Syria-as-Afghanistan discussion for a little bit ago.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 12, 2015, 01:00:19 AM
I'm not clear on what exactly Russia's goals are in Syria. They expected to defeat IS in a few months by bombing mostly non-IS targets?

(http://i.imgur.com/xBPsNoP.png)

And to further confuse matters, Putin is now claiming that they are supporting the FSA (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-russia-putin-idUSKBN0TU1B020151211). Is this just more "we have no plans to annex Crimea/there are no Russian soldiers in Ukraine" Jedi mind tricks or are they really arming the regime and the opposition?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: brawndolicious on December 12, 2015, 01:45:42 AM
Didn't they say something about supporting an eventual handover from Assad to a new government? Maybe their plan is to get rid of opposition groups they disapprove of (ie: ISIS) and then with Assad's permission there's going to be some sort of elections. Basically get a new puppet.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 12, 2015, 03:16:34 AM
Russia has its own plans and you will read about them in 50 years
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 12, 2015, 10:58:41 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 12, 2015, 12:39:02 AM
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-09/putin-proves-obama-prescient-on-syria-as-russia-faces-quagmire-ihzauuvr

Revisiting the Syria-as-Afghanistan discussion for a little bit ago.
How long before McCain recommends a surge.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Brehvolution on December 12, 2015, 02:02:44 PM
There has to be some lucrative natural resource they are looking to exploit. What else does Syria have to gain from displacing million of it's citizens and having multiple countries bombing cities into rubble?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 12, 2015, 02:28:05 PM
https://twitter.com/green_lemonnn/status/675657270454259713

Iran bringing planes in

Its going to be super interesting to read about this in 30 years and figure out what everyone was trying to do here.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: VomKriege on December 13, 2015, 05:57:10 PM
Far right took no regions in the French elections when all was said and done. The short story is that the FN doesn't have any reserves to call upon in second round. We still have a major problem to deal with regardless, and their scores keep making progress in the long run. Also the whole Republican front (Socialist party pulled their lists in a couple regions and ask their voters to go vote for the right) thing is a loser's game as it continues to rob voters of a real choice and to play into the hands of the "They're all the same, we are the only real alternative" rhetoric.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: benjipwns on December 15, 2015, 02:25:11 AM
I thought that Russia's spin was that they were bombing the rebels almost exclusively to bring "stability" so that then "allied forces" (whoever the fuck that will be) could shift to combat ISIS jointly.

I think that's what I heard on RT.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 15, 2015, 10:17:47 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on December 15, 2015, 02:25:11 AM
I thought that Russia's spin was that they were bombing the rebels almost exclusively to bring "stability" so that then "allied forces" (whoever the fuck that will be) could shift to combat ISIS jointly.

I think that's what I heard on RT.

Rotten Tomatoes is a good source, but was this tactic Confirmed Fresh?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 15, 2015, 10:29:01 AM
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/has-the-tenor-of-canada-ever-turned-this-fast/article27751222/

feel good Canadian circle jerk article that made me happy despite having no substance. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: benjipwns on December 15, 2015, 10:55:49 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on December 15, 2015, 10:17:47 AM
Rotten Tomatoes is a good source, but was this tactic Confirmed Fresh?
It did much better with the Top Critics than the plebes.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 16, 2015, 04:35:06 AM
Nice little write up on Germany's Defense Minister, Ursula von der Leyen, who could be the next Chancellor:

http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21679860-smiling-defence-minister-most-likely-candidate-succeed-angela-merkel-ursula-major

I find this quote interesting:

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Back in Hanover studying medicine, she met her husband, also a doctor, in the university choir. Together they moved to California for four years; Mrs von der Leyen still raves about America’s open-mindedness towards working women.

In a country with a woman head of state and a woman defense minister, she praises the US attitude towards working women. ???
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 16, 2015, 04:38:10 AM
Oh. OK.

"Saudi millionaire cleared of rape after claiming he fell and accidentally penetrated teenager"

http://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/saudi-millionaire-cleared-of-rape-after-claiming-he-fell-and-accidentally-penetrated

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: brawndolicious on December 16, 2015, 05:05:25 AM
Maybe the case was too weak to prosecute for some reason like the victim refusing to testify or some error on the part of police/prosecutors?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: brob on December 16, 2015, 05:39:35 AM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on December 16, 2015, 04:35:06 AM
Nice little write up on Germany's Defense Minister, Ursula von der Leyen, who could be the next Chancellor:

http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21679860-smiling-defence-minister-most-likely-candidate-succeed-angela-merkel-ursula-major

I find this quote interesting:

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Back in Hanover studying medicine, she met her husband, also a doctor, in the university choir. Together they moved to California for four years; Mrs von der Leyen still raves about America’s open-mindedness towards working women.

In a country with a woman head of state and a woman defense minister, she praises the US attitude towards working women. ???

for added effect: http://www.euronews.com/2015/12/14/un-experts-find-level-of-discrimination-against-women-in-us-shocking#.Vm1lZ4TTRts.facebook

 :american
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Rufus on December 16, 2015, 11:32:02 AM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on December 16, 2015, 04:35:06 AM
Nice little write up on Germany's Defense Minister, Ursula von der Leyen, who could be the next Chancellor:

http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21679860-smiling-defence-minister-most-likely-candidate-succeed-angela-merkel-ursula-major
Nope.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 16, 2015, 12:44:21 PM
Oh, okay. Thanks.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Rufus on December 16, 2015, 01:25:32 PM
She just has no chance. It's going to be Merkel again, despite the refugee controversy.

After Merkel retires von der Leyen will get her shot, because the CDU doesn't really have anyone else.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: brob on December 16, 2015, 01:45:47 PM
so, what you're saying is... she could be the next Chancellor   :smug
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Rufus on December 16, 2015, 02:29:59 PM
Fiiine, god. :noah

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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: brob on December 17, 2015, 11:26:42 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/12/17/denmark-wants-to-seize-jewelry-from-refugees/

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"It is pretty telling about the current Danish policies that [some] are not quite sure whether this is a hoax or not," said Zachary Whyte, an asylum and integration researcher at the University of Copenhagen. In this case, it's real.

:beli
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Rufus on December 17, 2015, 12:16:04 PM
Pile them up outside the shower. :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: benjipwns on December 17, 2015, 07:58:27 PM
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_RUSSIA_US?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-12-15-16-01-54
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U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry on Tuesday accepted Russia's long-standing demand that President Bashar Assad's future be determined by his own people, as Washington and Moscow edged toward putting aside years of disagreement over how to end Syria's civil war.

"The United States and our partners are not seeking so-called regime change," Kerry told reporters in the Russian capital after meeting President Vladimir Putin.
After two years, the Munich moment has finally passed! :rejoice

Also:
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"There is no policy of the United States, per se, to isolate Russia," Kerry stressed.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 18, 2015, 12:37:32 AM
so-called

per se


:bow high level diplomacy :bow2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 18, 2015, 01:12:46 AM
US operators arrive in Libya on Monday, Libyan Air Force posts pictures of them on their Facebook page, nobody seems to know who invited them, Pentagon confirms they are American military and that they left:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/17/secret-us-mission-in-libya-revealed-after-air-force-posted-pictures

(http://i.imgur.com/3IPJ3mW.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/9pgvNaz.jpg)

Mustache seems concerned his photo is being taken. I would be a little worried if I was the guy who was taking photos.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: benjipwns on December 18, 2015, 12:15:23 PM
Hagel: The White House Tried to ‘Destroy’ Me (http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/12/18/hagel-the-white-house-tried-to-destroy-me/)
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In an exclusive interview, Chuck Hagel said the Obama administration micromanaged the Pentagon, stabbed him in the back on the way out -- and still has no strategy for fixing Syria.
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President Barack Obama wanted to speak with him.

It was Aug. 30, 2013, and the U.S. military was poised for war. Obama had publicly warned Syrian strongman Bashar al-Assad that his regime would face consequences if it crossed a “red line” by employing chemical weapons against its own people. Assad did it anyway, and Hagel had spent the day approving final plans for a barrage of Tomahawk cruise missile strikes against Damascus. U.S. naval destroyers were in the Mediterranean, awaiting orders to fire.

Instead, Obama told a stunned Hagel to stand down. Assad’s Aug. 21 chemical attack in a Damascus suburb had killed hundreds of civilians, but the president said the United States wasn’t going to take any military action against the Syrian government. The president had decided to ignore his own red line — a decision, Hagel believes, that dealt a severe blow to the credibility of both Obama and the United States.
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While Hagel preferred smaller meetings and one-on-one phone calls, the White House often summoned him to large Situation Room sessions with last-minute agendas sent out overnight or on the morning of the meeting.

The White House’s policy deliberations on Syria and other issues run by Rice and her deputies seemed to lead nowhere, according to Hagel.

“For one thing, there were way too many meetings. The meetings were not productive,” Hagel said. “I don’t think many times we ever actually got to where we needed to be. We kept kind of deferring the tough decisions. And there were always too many people in the room.”

At larger White House meetings, with some staffers in the room he did not even know, Hagel was reluctant to speak at length, fearing his stance would find its way into media reports. “The more people you have in a room, the more possibilities there are for self-serving leaks to shape and influence decisions in the press,” he said.

Instead, Hagel preferred to convey his views in weekly meetings he and then-Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey had with the president or in phone calls and meetings with Rice, Biden, or Secretary of State John Kerry.

In contrast, national security meetings led by the president were efficient and focused, with no time wasted on tangents, he said.

“We’d get in and get out,” Hagel said. “I eventually got to the point where I told Susan Rice that I wasn’t going to spend more than two hours in these meetings. Some of them would go four hours.”

But the same senior administration official defended the long National Security Council meetings, saying their length was only natural given the complexity of the security challenges facing the country: “It speaks to the rigorous policy process that we run.”

Hagel, however, said there was too much time spent on “nit-picky, small things in the weeds,” while larger questions were ignored. “We seemed to veer away from the big issues. What was our political strategy on Syria?”
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Mupepe on December 18, 2015, 02:28:30 PM
To Hagel's defense, crowded and long meetings are terribly unproductive.  Too many Chiefs, not enough Indians syndrome.  That experience comes from planning systems and process deployments though, not foreign wars.  Same concept though, right??
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 18, 2015, 02:30:50 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on December 18, 2015, 02:28:30 PM
To Hagel's defense, crowded and long meetings are terribly unproductive.  Too many Chiefs, not enough Indians syndrome.  That experience comes from planning systems and process deployments though, not foreign wars.  Same concept though, right??

 :gurl
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Mupepe on December 18, 2015, 02:33:16 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on December 18, 2015, 02:30:50 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on December 18, 2015, 02:28:30 PM
To Hagel's defense, crowded and long meetings are terribly unproductive.  Too many Chiefs, not enough Indians syndrome.  That experience comes from planning systems and process deployments though, not foreign wars.  Same concept though, right??

 :gurl
;)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 18, 2015, 02:38:11 PM
Wow so I just googled it and apparently this is actually the common saying and I thought the common version was 'Too many chefs not enough cooks'.  That saying would not fly in Canada. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: benjipwns on December 18, 2015, 02:49:40 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on December 18, 2015, 02:28:30 PM
  That experience comes from planning systems and process deployments though, not foreign wars.  Same concept though, right??
I'd imagine there's only minor differences, mainly in the required paperwork.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 18, 2015, 03:36:22 PM
First and last enlisted man to SecDef  :'(
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: brob on December 20, 2015, 01:55:16 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/20/world/europe/norway-offers-migrants-a-lesson-in-how-to-treat-women.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

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Henry Ove Berg, who was Stavanger’s police chief during the spike in rape cases, said he supported providing migrants sex education because “people from some parts of the world have never seen a girl in a miniskirt, only in a burqa.” When they get to Norway, he added, “something happens in their heads.”

He said, “there was a link but not a very clear link” between the rape cases and the city’s immigrant community. According to the state broadcaster, NRK, which reviewed court documents, only three of 20 men found guilty in those cases were native Norwegians, the rest immigrants.

The claim that refugees and immigrants in general are prone to commit rape has become a main rallying cry of anti-migrant activists across Europe, with each case of sexual violence by a newcomer presented as evidence of an imported scourge.

The Rape Epidemic, which the police responded to by telling women not go out alone after dark, was at the time blamed on polish migrant laborers and this was justified by the police saying the rapes stopped without them doing anything in particular so it was probably ended by the rapists leaving the country. I guess focusing our racism on eastern european migrant workers seems a bit thin when we have all this news of brown muslims flooding the continent though, so a bit of revisionism is in order.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 20, 2015, 04:07:43 PM
Iraqi government gave citizens of Ramadi 72 hours to vacate the city
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Shadow Mod on December 20, 2015, 04:41:24 PM
Quote from: brob on December 20, 2015, 01:55:16 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/20/world/europe/norway-offers-migrants-a-lesson-in-how-to-treat-women.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

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Henry Ove Berg, who was Stavanger’s police chief during the spike in rape cases, said he supported providing migrants sex education because “people from some parts of the world have never seen a girl in a miniskirt, only in a burqa.” When they get to Norway, he added, “something happens in their heads.”

He said, “there was a link but not a very clear link” between the rape cases and the city’s immigrant community. According to the state broadcaster, NRK, which reviewed court documents, only three of 20 men found guilty in those cases were native Norwegians, the rest immigrants.

The claim that refugees and immigrants in general are prone to commit rape has become a main rallying cry of anti-migrant activists across Europe, with each case of sexual violence by a newcomer presented as evidence of an imported scourge.

The Rape Epidemic, which the police responded to by telling women not go out alone after dark, was at the time blamed on polish migrant laborers and this was justified by the police saying the rapes stopped without them doing anything in particular so it was probably ended by the rapists leaving the country. I guess focusing our racism on eastern european migrant workers seems a bit thin when we have all this news of brown muslims flooding the continent though, so a bit of revisionism is in order.

People gonna keep acting like rapists don't capitalize on class/racial warfare by picking certain targets or doing crimes when it's likely someone else will be blamed.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: benjipwns on December 22, 2015, 10:12:37 AM
Spain has joined the rest of the world with a clusterfuck election.

People's Party fell from 45% of the vote and 187 seats to 29% of the vote and 123.
The Socialists fell from 29% and 110 seats to 22% and 90.
Podemos got 21% of the vote and 68 seats.
Citizens got 14% of the vote and 40 seats.

The United Left lost 9 of their 11 seats and half their vote. The Republican Left of Catalonia (for independence) picked up 6 seats and doubled their support. And the sorta centrist Catalonia independence Democracy and Freedom lost half its seats.

Young adult website VOX (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vox_(Spanish_political_party)) got 0.23% of the vote but no seats.

This is what the polling graph looked like going into election day:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/OpinionPollingSpainGeneralElection2015.png/900px-OpinionPollingSpainGeneralElection2015.png)

176 seats is needed for a majority. Citizens opposes any coalition with Podemos. Podemos set out some quite harsh terms with the Socialists (they weren't very friendly in the first place) and announced it will form a cabinet on its own because why not. Everybody but Citizens opposes a coalition with the People's Party. Except the People's and Socialist Parties may be forced into it as they are the only possible combination coalition that can get a majority due to Podemos and Citizens opposition to each other. Some kind of coalition could be possible if the Catalonia and Basque parties joined one.

PP-C = 163 seats
PSOE-Podemos = 159 seats
PP-PSOE = 213 seats

A "center-left" coalition: POSE-Podemos-United Left-Left of Catalonia-Bildu (Basque "left") = 172 seats.
A "center-right" coalition: PP-C-DaF-Basque Nationalists (Basque "right")-Canarian = 180 seats.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: brob on December 23, 2015, 11:45:53 PM
https://decorrespondent.nl/3789/Operation-Easy-Chair-or-how-a-little-company-in-Holland-helped-the-CIA-bug-the-Russians/116534484-2a3d7f11

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On a warm September day, we stand at the entrance to the headquarters of the BVD’s successor organization, the Dutch General Intelligence and Security Service (Algemene Inlichtingen- en Veiligheidsdienst, or AIVD), in the town of Zoetermeer. Four men are in front of us in the security line. “Ill-fitting suits and cheap shoes,” Cees whispers. “CIA, definitely.” As they walk through the door one by one, show their passports, empty their pockets, lay their bags on the belt and walk through the metal detector, we hear them talking to the guards.

You could cut the American accents with a knife.

samson pls respond
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 28, 2015, 04:33:39 PM
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The State Department is counting "bringing peace" to Syria as one of its wins in 2015.

A boastful recap of the State Department’s accomplishments, written by spokesman John Kirby, includes the bold subheadline of "Bringing Peace, Security to Syria" above a more modest entry talking about U.S. aid for those affected by the country's turmoil and the U.S. push for a political transition from President Bashar Assad.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/state-department-claims-peace-syria-2015-win-217168#ixzz3ve7nBYv2

(http://i.imgur.com/oP0adX1.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 28, 2015, 04:34:37 PM
There's still 3 days let to knock that one out, right?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 29, 2015, 06:11:15 PM
Victory accomplished, we can all go home now - in ten years. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: brawndolicious on December 30, 2015, 01:48:43 AM
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-carrier-harry-s-truman-has-close-call-iranian-n487536

oops. That was so not intentional. But like....what if? Man.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 30, 2015, 03:27:29 PM
What if they hit us with rockets? We would probably do nothing and the Republicans would cry about loss of American prestige in the world. Or we would start a war where we only conduct airstrikes, mostly with drones, and 99% of the US wouldn't care.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: brawndolicious on December 30, 2015, 03:45:55 PM
It's a pressure release for headliners who think the rest of the world considers Muslim countries pussies. Everyone else knows this is just classical Iranian vanity (see: Dufus).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 31, 2015, 06:41:44 PM
counting this as international news

 https://twitter.com/AtiehS/status/682617847139418112
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Rufus on January 01, 2016, 07:55:30 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-president-recep-tayyip-erdogan-cites-hitler-germany-as-example-of-effective-government-a6792756.html

Erdogan apparently doesn't give a fuck any more.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: benjipwns on January 12, 2016, 06:56:58 AM
Spain still hasn't picked a governing coalition or Prime Minister. PSOE has rejected any grand coalition. So they look to be headed back to the polls in a few months.

Taiwan votes on Saturday.

Bolivia will vote on removing Presidential term limits on February 21st.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: benjipwns on January 13, 2016, 10:49:47 PM
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TRUMP: We have a little situation that could be a trojan horse. You look at what is happening in Germany. Cologne never had a problem. Cologne, Germany. Okay? Everything's fine. Everything's nice. Clean. Beautiful. No problem. Now they are having riots, they're having rapes.

Have you heard about the New Year's Eve [attack]? It was like a disaster. And the German people are going to riot. The German people are going to end up overthrowing [Angela Merkel]. I don't know what the hell she is thinking. But they have millions of people pouring into Germany, now they're not stopping them. Now I guess they are going to have to stop them because the German people aren't going to put up [with it].

And our leaders want to have -- I don't believe you want to have -- people coming in from migration from Syria. And when you look at that migration, it's very unusual. I look at it and I see so many men and they are young. They look like they should be on the wrestling team. And they are young and they're strong and you don't see that many women, that many children. It's sort of a weird deal. It's the migration. You see all these young, strong people and they are mostly men and I say what's going on.

I've noticed that, in all fairness to you news guys, I noticed that three or four months ago when it all started. And I said, 'what's going on?' And who knows what it is. You know, the famous trojan horse. Is this a trojan horse? I doubt it, but it could very well be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL4A6WLCdFE
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 13, 2016, 10:58:45 PM
Jesus that has some good lines that will speak to straight to the souls of idiots 'Is this a trojan horse? I doubt it, but it could very well be.'  Very well done.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: benjipwns on January 13, 2016, 11:15:50 PM
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I look at it and I see so many men and they are young. They look like they should be on the wrestling team. And they are young and they're strong and you don't see that many women, that many children. It's sort of a weird deal. It's the migration. You see all these young, strong people and they are mostly men and I say what's going on.
:phil :hitler :success :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 13, 2016, 11:20:27 PM
And I say hey...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ5LpwO-An4
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 14, 2016, 12:22:43 AM
A mass migration of strapping young men. :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Yeti on January 14, 2016, 10:15:45 AM
so muscular, they should be on the wrestling team  :-*
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 16, 2016, 06:45:45 PM
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VIENNA —Iran reentered the global economy Saturday, as years of crippling international sanctions were lifted in exchange for the verified disabling of much of its nuclear infrastructure.

For Iran, implementation of the landmark deal it finalized with six world powers last summer means immediate access to more than $50 billion in long-frozen assets, and freedom to sell its oil and purchase goods in the international marketplace. Tehran has hailed the deal as vindication of its power and influence in the world.

The removal of sanctions comes as President Obama begins his last year in office, and almost seven years to the day since he called on Iran to “unclench your fist” and take steps toward rapprochement with the United States and the world. As a result of the agreement, he said in his last State of the Union speech this week, a “nuclear-armed Iran” has been prevented, and “the world has avoided another war.”

The triggering event for implementation was certification by the International Atomic Energy Agency Saturday that Iran had successfully completed all the nuclear steps it agreed to in July: sending the bulk of its enriched uranium outside the country, dismantling and storing most of its centrifuges, and disabling its Arak nuclear reactor, capable of yielding plutonium. The IAEA is also charged with monitoring and verifying Iran’s continued compliance.

Agency inspectors on the ground “verified that Iran has carried out all measures required....to enable Implementation Day to occur,” IAEA Director General Yukiya Amano said in a statement issued just before midnight, Vienna time.

IAEA certification of compliance opened the door to announcements and speeches by high-level officials from the negotiating parties. A new U.N. resolution codifying the deal immediately goes into effect. The IAEA begins strict monitoring provisions on the ground in Iran. White House executive orders and implementation guidance issued by the European Union and the U.S. Treasury, along with waivers of certain restrictions signed here by Secretary of State John F. Kerry, will start the wheels of international business and finance turning.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/world-leaders-gathered-in-anticipation-of-iran-sanctions-being-lifted/2016/01/16/72b8295e-babf-11e5-99f3-184bc379b12d_story.html

bubububububu sailors  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: benjipwns on January 16, 2016, 06:48:10 PM
*frantically searches for Ralph Peters' analysis*
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Yeti on January 16, 2016, 10:09:47 PM
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/07d6dd9a89054501aa7855e6c6c875bc/analysis-prisoner-release-leaves-gop-tough-spot-iran
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: benjipwns on January 16, 2016, 11:12:39 PM
Tsai Ing-wen became Taiwan's first female president with 56.1% of the vote. (31% for Kuomintang candidate, 13% for People First) Her party, the Democratic Progressives also obtained a majority in the legislature.

The new New Power Party won five seats.
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The NPP aims to rewrite the Constitution of the Republic of China, which operates under the assumption that the Republic governs all of China (including mainland China, which the ROC has not governed since 1949), to just refer to the Taiwan Area.

In Spain, Pedro Sanchez the Secretary General of the Socialists went off the reservation and tried to form his own coalition against the wishes of the party which is now intent on replacing him before the next elections that have to be held by June 2016. Rumors are that Sanchez was willing to negotiate by himself with the People's Party to form a temporary grand coalition with him as PM. Socialist election "experts" expect the party to get battered even more in the upcoming election by Podemos and the People's Party due to this whole clusterfuck. Polling released today has them losing 11 seats to Podemos and PP picking up ten seats. This would result in the same hung parliament situation assuming the parties don't change their views on coalitions.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: Syph on January 16, 2016, 11:57:01 PM
this is a depressing page
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
Post by: benjipwns on January 18, 2016, 06:41:39 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 16, 2016, 06:48:10 PM
*frantically searches for Ralph Peters' analysis*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30undrzIbAo

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: T-Short on January 20, 2016, 10:17:29 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-35354061 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-35354061)

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Rufus on January 20, 2016, 11:19:09 AM
:gbcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: curly on January 22, 2016, 03:50:23 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/22/world/americas/us-presses-for-haiti-runoff-vote-amid-fears-of-violence-and-fraud.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/22/world/americas/us-presses-for-haiti-runoff-vote-amid-fears-of-violence-and-fraud.html)
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PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti — After spending more than $33 million on a widely discredited election in Haiti, the United States has been pressing the country’s leaders to go ahead with a presidential runoff election this Sunday, despite a growing chorus of warnings that the vote could lead to an explosion of violence.

Haitian leaders, political parties and others have denounced the first round of voting in October as a fraud-riddled fiasco and protested in the streets to stop the runoff. One of the two remaining candidates says he is boycotting, effectively making it a one-person race.

President Michel J. Martelly took to the airwaves on Thursday to warn that protests on Election Day would not be tolerated. Civic, business and religious leaders are engaged in tense back-room negotiations to broker a deal in an effort to avoid violence and put off the race. Eight election observer organizations have pulled out over the fraud accusations and chaos, including a Haitian group funded by the United States.
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The Obama administration’s response is a sharp contrast to the position it took in 2010, when the United States was so appalled by rampant fraud that Hillary Clinton, the secretary of state at the time, flew to Haiti to pressure its leaders to change the results. Mr. Martelly was bumped up in the election results so that he could compete in a runoff.

“The hypocrisy from 2010 to 2015 is pretty remarkable,” said Jake Johnston, a researcher at the Center for Economic and Policy Research in Washington. “For the elections, a $30 million budget just from the U.S. and the likelihood of a government that is at least seen as illegitimate has to qualify as a waste.”

America's commitment to democracy  :usacry
Also like how changing the results of an election is framed as coming from moral outrage and not, you know, corruption and self-interest
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Rufus on January 25, 2016, 09:36:57 AM
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/france-president-francois-hollande-seeks-extend-state-emergency-until-isis-can-be-totally-1539638

France pulling a Patriot Act.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: brob on February 01, 2016, 02:50:53 PM
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/world-health-organization-declares-the-zika-outbreak-an-international-emergency

Interesting* to see how the olympics react to this. :doge


*I'm primed for disappointment, obv
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 01, 2016, 04:39:03 PM
Is the Zika Outbreak the next big south American dance that outrages moral Americans? 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 02, 2016, 07:40:09 AM
Can anyone invade Poland please to get rid of the idiots in charge?

Every time I read an article about what nonsense government officials are spouting I'm deeply unsettled these fuckers have the backing of like 30% of the country.

I'm wondering who Borys voted for.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Broseidon on February 02, 2016, 11:51:49 AM
Quote from: Premium Lager on February 02, 2016, 07:40:09 AM
I'm wondering who Borys voted for.

KORWIN :hitler
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 02, 2016, 01:59:57 PM
Wishing Poland to be invaded is some pretty bad mojo given its history
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Rufus on February 02, 2016, 02:24:52 PM
We've got our hands full at the moment, soz.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: VomKriege on February 03, 2016, 07:29:52 AM
Quote from: Premium Lager on February 02, 2016, 07:40:09 AM
Can anyone invade Poland please to get rid of the idiots in charge?

Every time I read an article about what nonsense government officials are spouting I'm deeply unsettled these fuckers have the backing of like 30% of the country.

I'm wondering who Borys voted for.

Polish political landscape is apparently just a collection of various shades of right-wing and conservative parties, for pretty obvious reasons I guess.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: chronovore on February 03, 2016, 03:59:01 PM
Quote from: Premium Lager on February 02, 2016, 07:40:09 AM
Can anyone invade Poland please to get rid of the idiots in charge?

Every time I read an article about what nonsense government officials are spouting I'm deeply unsettled these fuckers have the backing of like 30% of the country.

I'm wondering who Borys voted for.

Where is that Pol anyway? He said "Dubai!" and then disappeared.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2016, 05:45:32 AM
Thomas Piketty saves the Eurozone: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2016/02/25/a-new-deal-for-europe/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Samson Manhug on February 26, 2016, 05:00:38 PM
High turnout in the Iranian elections. Maybe this is a good sign and reformists decided to vote again?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Mandark on February 26, 2016, 07:14:05 PM
From what I've read, the Assembly of Experts was harsher than usual in declaring candidates ineligible.  Then again, maybe there's a version of that story every election cycle in Iran, where moderates and reformers point out how many people, including those with ties to the establishment, are excluded.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: benjipwns on February 27, 2016, 03:35:03 AM
I was going to say, didn't the last time (or time before) they strike out like 95% of the candidates or something.

EDIT: For parliament they qualified 10443/11798 candidates. For the Assembly of Experts 166 out of 801.

In 2012 1600 out of 5000 and in 2008 1700 out of 4500 were disqualified . "90% of independent or reformist"

EDIT2: The Economist says 5000+ candidates were disqualified this time. I suppose that might be more accurate than Wikipedia's list of candidates.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: benjipwns on February 27, 2016, 03:50:14 AM
Forgot about Ireland.

Fine Gael and Labour got jacked, falling from 36% to 26% and 20% to 8% respectively according to the exit polls. If it holds, hung parliament, well Dali. Much like in Spain with a set of not necessarily workable coalitions on the table.

Though I don't have any information on any "not under any circumstances" stances of the parties like in Spain where they all seemed to rule out each other even before the election. So they might be able to work some kind of Grand Coalition rather than needing immediate new elections.

Speaking of which, Spain is going to hold an expected-to-fail investiture vote on Wednesday for a candidate put up by the second and fourth largest parties.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Mandark on February 27, 2016, 03:57:40 AM
http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/markaz/posts/2016/02/24-iran-elections-candidates-rejected-borden-maloney

(looks like they screwed up the bar length for this year's Majlis)
(http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Blogs/markaz/2016/02/24-iran-elections-candidates-rejected-borden-maloney/iran_elections_historical_data.jpg)

So definitely a low number approved.  Pretty sure the number who applied in the first place was much higher than 2012, maybe with reformists trying to sneak some more candidates in by flooding them with applications.

Iran's got such an interesting political set up.  Really, really hope that the moderate/reformist movement (which generally seems to do well electorally) can finally have its day without things getting bloody.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: benjipwns on February 27, 2016, 04:09:19 AM
Just noticed it's the first election to both bodies at the same time.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Take My Breh Away on February 27, 2016, 08:44:54 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 27, 2016, 03:50:14 AM
Forgot about Ireland.

Fine Gael and Labour got jacked, falling from 36% to 26% and 20% to 8% respectively according to the exit polls. If it holds, hung parliament, well Dali. Much like in Spain with a set of not necessarily workable coalitions on the table.

Though I don't have any information on any "not under any circumstances" stances of the parties like in Spain where they all seemed to rule out each other even before the election. So they might be able to work some kind of Grand Coalition rather than needing immediate new elections.

Speaking of which, Spain is going to hold an expected-to-fail investiture vote on Wednesday for a candidate put up by the second and fourth largest parties.

FG and Fianna Fáil certainly won't create a coalition, but Sinn Fein are polling huge and looking to their biggest election ever. Very likely to take the third biggest party slot from Labour. There's a potential rainbow coalition depending how independents and the Anti-Austerity Alliance votes shake out but it's likely going to be a hung Dáil because even the exit polls are underestimating how much FF,FG and Labour got jacked from counts so far. 

Update: Labour are getting completely wrecked and both FG and FF getting major blows. SF are talking about a coalition with the independents and AAA already while FF and FG are hemming and hawing if they will or won't. The fuckery if the next potential Taoiseach is Gerry Adams :lawd
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 28, 2016, 12:45:19 PM
http://www.iiss.org/en/topics/deterrence/adelphi-launch-asias-latent-nuclear-powers-7b21

Interesting talk about Japan's, South Korea's, and Taiwan's politics and security issues concerning nukes.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 28, 2016, 04:11:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VspWU7USdck

This is a great interview in hindsight (its from 2012).   Basically all his worries came true. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: brawndolicious on March 04, 2016, 07:04:15 PM
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-us-navy-just-sailed-an-armada-of-warships-into-the-1762734867

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It is a foregone conclusion that China will be heavily militarizing their artificially-created islands in the South China Sea, likely resulting in a chain of invisible threat rings that overlap their way across nearly the entire disputed body of water. So far traditional diplomacy has not stopped this eventuality, and the best the U.S. has done is to sail within the supposed territorial waters of these islands as part of high-profile freedom of navigation exercises.

Quote from: commenter
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--VqhnpGWR--/ceq5ywr7eigpf7wtpr5e.jpg)

:ridiculousdefensebudget :chinacry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: brob on March 05, 2016, 12:18:48 PM
While the venal rent-seeker Donald Trump is given American screen time to talk about his penis, Xi Jinping takes steps to protect his people from vulgar, immoral and unhealthy content. ;_;7

http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2016/mar/04/china-bans-gay-people-television-clampdown-xi-jinping-censorship
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2016, 12:39:14 PM
We never got back to Iran. The "reformists" won, but it's a hung parliament.

And Ireland doesn't seem to have a frontrunner for Taoiseach or a coalition yet. This guy said a thing:
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ORyanair CEO Michael O'Leary called the outcome of the general election "a mess", expecting another election within 12 months. Ireland, he said, "can't survive with either a minority government or a coalition of liquorice all-sorts."
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Take My Breh Away on March 08, 2016, 12:01:43 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 05, 2016, 12:39:14 PM
We never got back to Iran. The "reformists" won, but it's a hung parliament.

And Ireland doesn't seem to have a frontrunner for Taoiseach or a coalition yet. This guy said a thing:
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ORyanair CEO Michael O'Leary called the outcome of the general election "a mess", expecting another election within 12 months. Ireland, he said, "can't survive with either a minority government or a coalition of liquorice all-sorts."

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2016/gerry-adams-will-stand-for-office-of-taoiseach-34521928.html

F U C K E R Y

:rejoice :rejoice :rejoice

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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: brob on March 10, 2016, 11:09:02 AM
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n05/didier-fassin/short-cuts

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The state of emergency, in general terms, gives the executive branch of government extraordinary powers over the mobilisation of the army, control of the borders, limitation of movement and setting of curfews. But in practice it has four main concrete consequences. The police can conduct searches in private and public spaces at any time without judicial warrant. The minister of the interior can put anyone considered a threat to public security under house arrest. State authorities can ban demonstrations and gatherings on the same grounds. Law enforcement officers can stop and search anyone without specific justification. Anticipating appeals to the European Court of Human Rights against the measures, the French government pre-emptively informed the Council of Europe on 27 November of ‘its decision to contravene the European Convention on Human Rights’.

You would think that these restrictions on public liberties and fundamental rights would be unpopular, and might even lead to public protest. In fact, the reverse has happened. In poll after poll, a large majority continues to support the emergency measures. There are two reasons: first, they are widely thought to be effective in countering terrorism; second, most of the population never gets to see the negative consequences.

[...]

When in Ajaccio, Corsica’s largest town, a Muslim prayer hall was vandalised on Christmas Day – they burned Qurans and chanted ‘Arabi fora’ (Arabs out) – there was indignant coverage in the media and a unanimous outcry by politicians. But it wasn’t an isolated event. According to DILCRA, the government institution in charge of combating racism and anti-Semitism, the number of cases of aggression against Muslims, including the desecration of their places of worship, went up by 223 per cent in 2015 over the previous year (for the same period, ‘racist acts’ went up by 17 per cent and ‘anti-Semitic acts’ went down by 5 per cent). While these attacks are mostly the work of far-right groups, it’s hard not to see a parallel with the way the police themselves have treated the mosques where they have conducted their administrative searches, breaking down doors, bringing dogs into prayer rooms, throwing around Qurans, and never apologising for the damage or intrusion. It may be significant that, according to a recent survey, in the 2015 regional elections 51 per cent of the police and the military voted for the National Front. No need, then, to mobilise conspiracy theories to link ideology and practices.

The selective application of the state of emergency has consequences that are almost imperceptible for the majority of the population: since their doors aren’t being broken down in the middle of the night, all they see is the reassuring presence of the military in public spaces. Most people, looking away when someone is stopped and searched by the police, may not even have noticed the discriminatory enforcement of the emergency measures, or they may simply prefer to ignore it.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: VomKriege on March 10, 2016, 12:31:48 PM
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You would think that these restrictions on public liberties and fundamental rights would be unpopular, and might even lead to public protest. In fact, the reverse has happened. In poll after poll, a large majority continues to support the emergency measures.

That may be true but the thing is... This governement is being grilled on something else. They're trying to pass through another reform for the general working law (they already had a few "modernizing measures" earlier in their mandate) which includes stuff like having a less inclusive definition of what is a night shift, looser conditions for employers to set up longer hours and limiting what damages you may be awarded in court for being laid-off without a proper cause. More importantly this new law is planning to allow for company-wide employer/employees agreements to be less favorable than the general law. Up until now, those agreements (whether on individual, company or industry level) were only enforcable if they were more advantageous to the employees.

Also while the state of emergency may have met with few opposition, the constant drumming up of the alarmist rhetoric is getting more and more of a problem with voters on the left. And it won't suddenly make Hollande a darling for people voting on the right.

In short this socialist governement is completely discredited in the eyes of its own voting base (on all those issues, there's more than a few grumbling coming from the party itself). Hollande was elected on the basis of a new European deal amidst the Greek crisis and the tail of the financial meltdown, yet sat on his hands as soon as Merkel said "Nein". Instead this socialist governement is ramping up the security apparatus, making exemptions for companies contributions (a tried and true measure costing a few dozens billions a year and which had never created a job ever), thinking about easier ways to allow for Sunday work and reforming work regulations.  :doge

I'm like the most milquetoast Socialist voter ever, but I'll probably cast my vote for the Communists / Chavist admirer coalition next time.

The saddest thing is that come next election it might not matter : if Le Pen manages to go through the first round of the presidential election, any sane French voter will be left with the choice of letting a lunatic xenophobe and crypto-fascist have its way for 5 years or casting a vote for whoever made it to the second round, which at this point in time may mean more Hollande or more Sarkozy (Although I think this fucker is burnt and won't gain the nomination but heh).
 :goty
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: brob on March 10, 2016, 02:10:24 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on March 10, 2016, 12:31:48 PM
The saddest thing is that come next election it might not matter : if Le Pen manages to go through the first round of the presidential election, any sane French voter will be left with the choice of letting a lunatic xenophobe and crypto-fascist have its way for 5 years or casting a vote for whoever made it to the second round, which at this point in time may mean more Hollande or more Sarkozy (Although I think this fucker is burnt and won't gain the nomination but heh).

tfw u are unaccountable because you are the lesser evil
(http://i.imgur.com/Muc2YUT.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: VomKriege on March 10, 2016, 03:09:33 PM
Oh they'll be held accountable at one point, and it's coming pretty soon now, when the far right will actually have the leverage to govern some of the grown up stuff. I always tried to vote whenever possible but my wife or my mother won't bother anymore and it's not for lack of interest in politics (my mum did May 68) and I can''t really blame them.

Don't those fuckers dare to be surprised when their heads will be on a pike. The system is dying and they're doing nothing to help a smooth transition.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: brob on March 10, 2016, 03:49:39 PM
Solidarity in misery, comrade. :ussrcry Oil has been low for less than a year and already privatization and neoliberal reform are being championed as the salvation. Especially in my city, which is the hub for the norwegian oil industry. This place used to be poor as hell before the oil rush and it's inflated as fuck because of it. I expect things to corrode pretty heavily once the state-run oil company moves the remainder of their operations to Oslo to save jobs there.

 :goty2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Rufus on March 10, 2016, 04:01:21 PM
Seems social democrats all over Europe follow the same trajectory. :goty2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: VomKriege on March 14, 2016, 03:16:16 PM
Putin ordering the withdrawal of the bulk of the Russian forces in Syria.
Will have to see how truthful it is. Will be curious to see some military assesment of how efficient that effort was. The russian army (especially the air arm) didn't fare really well in Georgia. If the scaling down is real, also a good lesson for Western powers about cutting the costs as short as possible.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: VomKriege on March 16, 2016, 11:21:23 AM
Former president of Brazil Lula being offered a job as a minister which conveniently shield him from further investigations or being held in jail custody in the Petrobras scandal.

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Broseidon on March 16, 2016, 07:07:28 PM
The taps :lucas
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: VomKriege on March 16, 2016, 08:10:32 PM
Quote from: Broseidon on March 16, 2016, 07:07:28 PM
The taps :lucas

For those wondering : Turns out Lula had been wired with a microphone by the police without his knowledge (Pretty amazing, I guess) and some audio has been made public or leaked including conversations with current president Rousseff. No smoking gun in the tapes so far, but according to Brazilian comments it's pretty clear Lula & Rousseff are framing his recent entry in the cabinet as a way to escape investigations.

EDIT : Oh phone taps. Sounds less cool that secret microphone. Makes more sense too.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 18, 2016, 01:09:22 AM
He and Chris Farley will finally be reunited

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/rob-ford-in-hospital-with-family-at-his-bedside

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Rufus on March 21, 2016, 10:07:35 AM
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160316/14440233925/uk-teachers-report-4-year-old-boy-to-terrorism-police-drawing-cucumber.shtml

We see what we expect to see. :shaq2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 21, 2016, 01:36:34 PM
Project your adult fears onto a 4-year-old, brehs.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: VomKriege on March 21, 2016, 02:19:51 PM
As much as I understand it with regards to Brazil : There's a table tennis match for justice decisions about whether Lula can or cannot enter the cabinet. A new minister of Justice has been appointed and made some stern statements about how he will relieve most of the investigators in the Petrobras case because of the leaks.

But fear not, devoted leftists from around the globe cannot let the dream of the land of Honey, Milk and Banana Socialism die and uncovered what's really going on. Can you guess ?

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O homem / El hombre is really losing his touch, because either in Brazil and Venezuela the left had a tight grip for over 10 years on the highest offices...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: VomKriege on March 22, 2016, 03:53:16 AM
Explosions, likely not incidents, in Brussels Zaventem airport. Fuck.  :maf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 22, 2016, 04:11:43 AM
Here we go again  :-\
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: benjipwns on March 22, 2016, 04:24:54 AM
Now ones at a subway station according to multiple sources.

EDIT: Pictar, not much to see other than smoke and some people sitting but will link anyway so nobody has to see it: http://i.imgur.com/HTPjlyi.jpg
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 22, 2016, 04:59:25 AM
I hate this shit man, not only the human drama, but also that it plays into so many biggot hands.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: benjipwns on March 22, 2016, 05:07:59 AM
Airport and multiple metro stations apparently. (Either that or multiple blasts at the same metro station. Early reports obviously.)

Might be over for now hopefully as it's been longer than the time between the two.

https://twitter.com/allisonpearson/status/712183431355047937
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Brussels, de facto capital of the EU, is also the jihadist capital of Europe. And the Remainers dare to say we're safer in the EU! #Brexit
:doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: VomKriege on March 22, 2016, 05:09:58 AM
Wasn't London the Jihad capital of Europe not so long ago?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Rufus on March 22, 2016, 05:10:29 AM
Uh, yeah, leaving the union is going to keep you safe...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: VomKriege on March 22, 2016, 05:18:38 AM
British emergency committee is called COBRA :lol
Gotta take any laugh you can take in those horrible events
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 22, 2016, 05:21:48 AM
coooobraaaa lalallalalaal
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: benjipwns on March 22, 2016, 05:29:57 AM
Brussels is basically on lock-down now. Public transportation shut down, universities locked in, all government buildings being evacuated and closed, etc.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Syph on March 22, 2016, 10:02:17 AM
some lone wolf (no such thing as ISIS) adherents to the religion of peace no doubt
;)))))
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: fizzel on March 22, 2016, 10:27:30 AM
Quote from: Premium Lager on March 22, 2016, 04:59:25 AM
I hate this shit man, not only the human drama, but also that it plays into so many biggot hands.

(http://i.imgur.com/krzrWTz.jpg)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 22, 2016, 10:37:24 AM
Quote from: Premium Lager on March 22, 2016, 04:59:25 AM
I hate this shit man, not only the human drama, but also that it plays into so many biggot hands.

Sad shit all around
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 22, 2016, 11:27:27 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFKsY5O7oYs&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 22, 2016, 12:22:57 PM
Absolutely surreal seeing the footage from Brussels this morning on the news. I was at the airport and Brussels-West/Molenbeek station over the Summer. Cannot imagine what those people are going through.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 22, 2016, 12:24:51 PM
ISIS claimed responsibility a few minutes ago.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 22, 2016, 12:26:02 PM
Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on March 22, 2016, 12:24:51 PM
ISIS claimed responsibility a few minutes ago.

Saw that on my phone driving in earlier this morning. Shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: eleuin on March 25, 2016, 03:00:44 PM
Could've gone without seeing a picture of the latest bokoharam burn victims  :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 25, 2016, 03:41:15 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on March 22, 2016, 05:18:38 AM
British emergency committee is called COBRA :lol
Gotta take any laugh you can take in those horrible events

(http://i.imgur.com/VViETvP.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Rufus on March 29, 2016, 11:06:19 AM
Erdogan wants German TV censored because of a satirical song. :heh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 29, 2016, 11:11:33 AM
I always thought Turkey was pretty progressive post word wars.  When did turkey stop being progressive?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: benjipwns on March 29, 2016, 11:18:55 AM
Erdogan first was elected with a supermajority in 2002. Well, technically he was still banned from politics and had to wait a few months.

They really started clamping down after the protests in 2013.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on March 29, 2016, 01:44:12 PM
Pretty much since the akp established themselves 15 years ago. Theyve given less and less lip service to secularism as you reach the present day. Media repression a la the ergenekon affair and the kurdish question flaring up for the first time in 20 years doesn't help.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 31, 2016, 11:08:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XB5fG7gbZ0&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 02, 2016, 02:04:12 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35949991
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: brob on April 03, 2016, 02:48:41 PM
http://panamapapers.sueddeutsche.de/en/

I love secret money scandals :noah
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 03, 2016, 09:25:59 PM
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A $2bn trail leads all the way to Vladimir Putin. The Russian president’s best friend – a cellist called Sergei Roldugin - is at the centre of a scheme in which money from Russian state banks is hidden offshore. Some of it ends up in a ski resort where in 2013 Putin’s daughter Katerina got married.

Check Kara's body for polonium-210.  :'(
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: VomKriege on April 04, 2016, 02:44:34 AM
And that's just one law firm...
How many of those are there in the Seychelles, Isle of Man, Transnistria, Luxembourg...?
How many members of our dear elite "tax optimizing" ?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Rufus on April 04, 2016, 04:15:00 AM
I would say more than half. Because we're nothing but monkeys.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Fifstar on April 04, 2016, 05:23:01 AM
Hm, generally not a fan of conspiracy theories but the list of names released so far is a bit too lopsided. Intimates of Putin, bigwigs from Saudi Arabia and some C Tier european politicans. Some bigger western politicans would have been more interesting.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: VomKriege on April 04, 2016, 05:43:21 AM
Newspapers involved have decided to coordinate and serialize the revelations all throughout next week and it's already been hinted that US and Western European names will be released. I believe all papers are on wikileaks and such and there's already a map with individuals and companies count per country. For instance there's 1000 french nationals listed including Platini (recently embroiled in FIFA scandals) and Cahuzac (french minister who resigned under the pressure of a tax evasion investigation).

That they chose to lead with Putin and such may be up to some western bias though.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: brob on April 04, 2016, 06:03:17 AM
doing these big reveals in stages has been the wave since Snowden did his thing, so I expect the juicer stuff to drop later in the week
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 04, 2016, 12:43:40 PM
Quote from: brob on April 04, 2016, 06:03:17 AM
doing these big reveals in stages has been the wave since Snowden did his thing, so I expect the juicer stuff to drop later in the week

Gives more attention to each set of names and makes it less likely that someone will slip through the cracks, so I approve.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 07, 2016, 04:27:13 AM
Fuck Holland for voting against the Ukraine treaty, bunch of pussies playing into Putins hand. Afraid to share a little wealth, afraid to stand up to Russia.

Fuck the Polish Catholiban for trying to ban abortion even after rape, I'd like to abort these zealots right now. Hilarious they are afraid of muslims immigrants when they are creating a Catholic sharia state, they would get along just fine with the crazies and their views on gays, women and families.

It seems politics and people are less social and less open then ever here in Europe. Really depressing.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Rufus on April 07, 2016, 05:40:23 AM
I like to see it as the same old pendulum swing to the right. Once they've had their time, it'll go back to the left, and so on. I like to think that, as a whole, the pendulum moves forward. The young conservatives I know aren't as conservatives as their parents, who aren't as consevative as their own parents, etc.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: brob on April 07, 2016, 06:22:55 AM
easier to remove things like government support programs and worker rights than to put them in place, so this pendulum swinging would naturally trend downwards. tho it would not be nice of me to expect u to abandon the little optimism u have left so auf jeden Regen folgt auch Sonnenschein i guess
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Rufus on April 07, 2016, 06:55:24 AM
Sigh :goty
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Samson Manhug on April 07, 2016, 01:52:32 PM
In the grim dark future of the 21st Century, war never ends and anime memes are part of the fight against terrorism:

http://insurgentsia.com/2016/04/07/isis-chan-the-crowdsourced-anime-meme-information-operation/

 :uguu
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 07, 2016, 02:08:53 PM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on April 07, 2016, 01:52:32 PM
In the grim dark future of the 21st Century, war never ends and anime memes are part of the fight against terrorism:

http://insurgentsia.com/2016/04/07/isis-chan-the-crowdsourced-anime-meme-information-operation/

 :uguu

Finally, a Samson blog post relevant to my interests.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 14, 2016, 03:56:07 AM
US sends troops to Poland, meanwhile all Russia can do is fly by a US ship

 :ussrcry :ussrcry :ussrcry :ussrcry :ussrcry :ussrcry :ussrcry :ussrcry :ussrcry :ussrcry :ussrcry

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/13/russian-attack-planes-buzz-uss-donald-cook-baltic-sea
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: brob on April 20, 2016, 08:32:22 PM
http://fortune.com/2016/04/18/boaty-mcboatface-win/

the will of the british people foiled by the deep state smh democracy is a lie
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 20, 2016, 09:33:57 PM
 :gbcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Take My Breh Away on May 02, 2016, 01:19:53 PM
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/gerry-adams-apologises-for-django-unchained-n-word-tweet-1.2632112

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zkL91LzCMc
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 04, 2016, 03:22:26 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/05/04/venezuela-is-becoming-a-failed-state/

I knew Chavez was going to drive Venezuela into the ground. But since his death, they're just trudging along with his terrible policies and now they're flat ass broke despite sitting on a huge pile of wealth.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Kara on May 04, 2016, 07:26:21 PM
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Hugo Chavez replaced people who knew what they were doing with people he knew would be loyal to him at the state-owned oil company.

Like how this pop history leaves out the whole cause that lead to this effect.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: VomKriege on May 11, 2016, 02:43:20 AM
So last page I was talking about the controversial law on labor that the French socialist government is trying to pass. Pressure has been pretty consistent since then, no massive general strike but a lot of social resistance nonetheless : artists and entertainement technicians (which have a specific unemployment system) have occupied theaters and are threatening to sit out of the Avignon theater festival (one of the biggest in the world) for the second time in three years, national railways unions already announced another strike right before the Euro football competition and for a few weeks now a spontaneous nightly gathering at the Place de la République in Paris is occuring daily (with general assemblies, open sandboxes, etc...). Socialist MPs are still refusing to fall in line with certain parts of the law. Thus the government have decided to brute force the whole thing by using article 49-3 of the constitution.

The 49-3 article basically states that if used, a law must be passed as submitted (no amendments, no talks) with the only alternative being a vote of no-confidence by the National Assembly which amounts to dissolving the cabinet. It's a much (over)used tool since the Gaullist consititution has been in effect (Used 84 times since 1958 and never resulted in the no confidence vote) and as you can imagine unions and opponents are pretty pissed.

For the life of me I have a hard time understanding why the fuck a Socialist presidency would decide to die on that hill, especially as one if not the last major legislative effort before next year presidential election, but here we are.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Kara on May 11, 2016, 03:42:58 AM
I've seen a couple of theories suggested (e.g. fragmenting the right to make it easier for people to vote against Le Pen for president) but nothing has really done much for me. This being a European social democratic party I tend to lean towards the New Labour / Red-Green SPD revision of the welfare state, but I'm quite biased.

It does beggar belief that making it easier to work existing employees more will somehow help the unemployment rate, especially the youth unemployment rate.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: VomKriege on May 11, 2016, 04:52:18 AM
What I've heard is EU & German pressure, but nothing too specific either. Fragmenting the right sounds really farfetched as well, Socialist party is bleeding support with that stuff, expect a string showing for the other leftists party at the election.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Rufus on May 11, 2016, 07:03:07 AM
Quote from: Kara on May 11, 2016, 03:42:58 AM
I've seen a couple of theories suggested (e.g. fragmenting the right to make it easier for people to vote against Le Pen for president) but nothing has really done much for me. This being a European social democratic party I tend to lean towards the New Labour / Red-Green SPD revision of the welfare state, but I'm quite biased.
This was my immediate thought as well. France has been critizised for not wage-dumping hard, as we have been in Germany.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Fifstar on May 11, 2016, 08:13:44 AM
How would such a law help with fragmenting the right? Isn't Le Pen economically leftish and would play into her hands?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Kara on May 11, 2016, 11:35:38 AM
The right as in the business community, Gaullist party voters, et cetera, not FN voters.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: VomKriege on May 12, 2016, 04:24:06 AM
Quote from: Kara on May 11, 2016, 11:35:38 AM
The right as in the business community, Gaullist party voters, et cetera, not FN voters.

Well, they're all in agreement that they would push reform farther so good job Hollande.  :expert
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: VomKriege on May 12, 2016, 07:07:20 AM
Regarding the French labor law project, I spoke of a vote of no confidence earlier but it's a bit more complicated by that, a censorship motion has to be filed under certains constraints by at least a tenth of the National Assembly (58 people out of 577 as it stands today). It is then debated, put to a vote where it must gather 289 voices to force the cabinet to resign.

The opposition from the right filed a motion but the dissenting leftist deputies tried to have their own not to give the impression of co-opting right wing rhetoric. They failed to do so with only 56 endorsements, nevertheless among them 4 former ministers under Hollande (1 from the Green party and 3 current or former Socialists) all less "centrist" than the President.

Which prompted that tasty gem from Jean-Marie Le Guen, secretary of state* to relations with the parliament :

"Those personalities failed to assume the contradictions of power"

Anyway, dissenting Socialist deputies probably won't vote with the right on this so it's moot.

* "Secretary of state" in France is a subordinate position to a minister, they are part of the government.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: brob on May 12, 2016, 04:16:02 PM
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/86e39e6a-182d-11e6-b197-a4af20d5575e.html#axzz48S2Mzpo1

:dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 19, 2016, 12:26:27 AM
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/politics/trudeau-conservative-whip-1.3588407

:lol at the chick who had to leave cause she got elbowed in the tits
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 19, 2016, 12:39:13 AM
Is this what passes for a political scandal in Canada?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: benjipwns on May 19, 2016, 12:42:47 AM
Political historians compare it to the time Prime Minister Mackenzie pretended not to hear an opposing MPs criticism of his tariff plan despite clearly standing within ten feet in an otherwise silent House of Commons.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: benjipwns on May 19, 2016, 12:48:36 AM
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MrsK
You, Mr. Trudeau...should graciously step down from your position...if you have any grace left!

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mnovak
Looks like the legislature in Taiwan, Sri Lanka or Macedonia......not the "enlightened" and "tolerant" Liberal majority Canadian House of Commons.

Justin conducts himself in a very emotional way and this is just the tip of the ice berg of ineptitude.

Sunny ways indeed.

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We've all seen the poor little rich boys who react violently on the playground when they don't get their own way. Perhaps the PM needs to remember Parliament is not the private school his parents sent him to as a silver spoon child.

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Trudeau you behaved like a juvenile. I question your mental stability to hold your position as a Prime Minister.

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A person in a position of power physically grabbing and pushing people in the work place is a criminal offence in Canada.

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Unwanted touching, man handling and bullying is not allowed in any work place in Canada.

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Canadian comment sections :lawd
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: VomKriege on May 19, 2016, 01:44:34 AM
Oh Canada, you're blessed.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Kara on May 19, 2016, 01:45:37 AM
http://spiegel.de/international/world/a-1092328.html

It's nice to see Cold War marriages of convenience with super awesome governments are still possible.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: VomKriege on May 19, 2016, 02:07:29 AM
Quote from: Kara on May 19, 2016, 01:45:37 AM
http://spiegel.de/international/world/a-1092328.html

It's nice to see Cold War marriages of convenience with super awesome governments are still possible.

That's pretty much the exact same thing that was first on the agenda once Kadhafi was unlepered.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Rufus on May 19, 2016, 06:11:24 AM
The more things change, etc. etc.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 19, 2016, 02:25:33 PM
http://www.thebeaverton.com/2690-entire-ndp-caucus-arrive-in-neck-braces-wheelchairs-to-house-of-commons-after-trudeau-s-assault.htm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: fizzel on May 19, 2016, 02:37:35 PM
Quote from: Kara on May 19, 2016, 01:45:37 AM
http://spiegel.de/international/world/a-1092328.html

It's nice to see Cold War marriages of convenience with super awesome governments are still possible.

These bellends will literally do anything to keep their shitty union afloat for a few more years and not admit they fucked up. They're already gonna start paying Erdogan a Kharaj.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: VomKriege on May 23, 2016, 09:18:44 AM
Oil refineries stopped, CGT calling for unlimited strike in Paris public transportation starting June 2. It's happening (or not).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 23, 2016, 01:15:17 PM
Austria came real close to electing a far right President today.  Apparently exit polls had the FPO guy winning but the majority of the mail in ballots had the Green party candidate win, which put him over the edge.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Rufus on May 23, 2016, 01:19:02 PM
I'm glad Hofer didn't win, but he got extremely close, still. :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Kara on May 23, 2016, 02:29:06 PM
I'm shocked he didn't win, tbh.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Rufus on May 23, 2016, 04:58:00 PM
Rural areas (predictably) mostly voted for Hofer, while major population centers voted for Van der Bellen.

Neat map, distorted by population density:
https://austromorph.space/kartogramm/a-close-run-how-austria-voted-in-the-2016-presidential-run-off-results-as-of-23-may/

Styria is the most extreme case I could spot. Graz (the almost circular green blob in the south) itself had a strong majority for Van der Bellen, while every municipality surrounding it clearly favoured Hofer.


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: brob on June 12, 2016, 09:29:09 AM
brexit is way more entertaining than grexit was

(http://i.imgur.com/dvOuulI.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: brob on June 16, 2016, 12:37:31 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-36550304?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central

britain first supporter killed a labour mp today
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 16, 2016, 12:58:28 PM
Jesus nationalist movements are such trash.

Cry about Islamic extremism while incubating your own  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 16, 2016, 01:59:37 PM
Surprise! right wing nationalists are scum

very convenient for the non brexit camp btw

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 17, 2016, 06:44:20 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/06/17/exclusive-poll-eu-support-falls-after-jo-cox-murder/86031038/

Interestingly enough, the Brexit group actually gained in polls in the aftermath of Jo Cox's death.  Now about 2/3s of British want to leave the EU.

In other news, Switzerland withdraws their application to join the EU: http://www.politico.eu/article/switzerland-withdraws-application-to-join-the-eu/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: fizzel on June 21, 2016, 08:02:46 AM
Seems like This Jo Cox was a piece of work. Went campaigning in saudi against violence against children but said fuck all about the rape gangs passing young girls around in Leeds and Rotherham (less than 11 miles from her constituency.) Not enough Air miles in it i guess.

Also, her husband.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3298572/New-charity-scandal-Save-Children-executive-quits-women-s-complaints-inappropriate-behaviour.html

 :lol :yuck
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 22, 2016, 12:34:09 AM
Brits would be so dumb to leave  :lol

edit: bu honestly i wish theyll jut leave and stfu and we wont have to listen to their crying any longer and give them crappy deals where they still have to abide to our rules

byeeee
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: VomKriege on June 22, 2016, 04:09:49 AM
Socialist French governement now digging to new lows. Paris police prefect told unions their next demonstrations could only be "static" instead of a traditional march because French police is "unable to contain violences" (last demo police stopped the march next to the Paris children hospital and some of the "black block" elements fucked up the facade, cue outrage...).

EDIT : Well, the prefécture just refused the right to held the demonstration  :neogaf What the hell are those fuckers doing. :confused

It's gotten so bad for President Hollande that the Socialist party first secretary caved in to a primary he will have to submit to. I doubt having a fresh face up will salvage it, but it might avoid a literal spanking.

EDIT : As for Brexit, I believe the UK should stay in but the voice of the voters should be heard (unlike how the French referendum on the Lisbon treaty was just brushed aside). Too long being part of the EU has been predicated on spreading doom and gloom on any alternative and forcing adherence to a flawed, broken construction. UK exiting would certainly warrant a debate on what we want the EU to be, really.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: benjipwns on June 22, 2016, 04:37:50 AM
I hadn't looked at the polling in a while. Mélenchon is polling almost as well as Hollande in the first round. And sometimes Bayrou if he's included.

Juppe's the only one who flat out wins against anyone. LePen wins the first round against everyone else, and always makes it to the run-off.

What a mess! Sad! Trump should run for French President. How fast can he get citizenship?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: brob on June 22, 2016, 08:27:15 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CljSs1LXEAAtHPe.jpg)

I miss paul the octopus tbh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: benjipwns on June 22, 2016, 10:57:08 PM
How to use the Brexit to bitch about your ex-wife: http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/divorcing-europe/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 23, 2016, 06:40:58 AM
There will be enough "mail in ballots" to prevent a Brexit :hans1
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 23, 2016, 07:33:48 PM
results coming in

http://www.bbc.com/news
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 23, 2016, 11:12:41 PM
Jesus wtf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 23, 2016, 11:19:26 PM
Surely there was a shit ton of money to be made in currency speculation tonight :(
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 23, 2016, 11:27:36 PM
cant wait for them to start whining now about how unfair they are being treated once they are out  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Let's Cyber on June 23, 2016, 11:31:38 PM
what a disaster.   :goty2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 23, 2016, 11:36:54 PM
best part is if they will want free trade like norway or switserland they will need to accept all our rules and laws, like free movement of people, pay money, but get 0 say in anything  :lol

so whats the point of leaving  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 23, 2016, 11:39:48 PM
Gonna be a lot of people who vote leave only to realizes they don't have better jobs or more money a few years from now.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Atramental on June 23, 2016, 11:45:04 PM
Looks like me and my brother shall be vacationing in the UK fairly soon. That USD to GBP exchange rate. :whew

edit: Also, don't worry. We're white. :gaben
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Mandark on June 23, 2016, 11:46:32 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on June 23, 2016, 11:39:48 PM
Gonna be a lot of people who vote leave only to realizes they don't have better jobs or more money a few years from now.

Yeah, and they'll leave their xenophobia behind after some honest self-reflection, rather than look for another scapegoat.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Kara on June 23, 2016, 11:46:44 PM
While I don't doubt the City of London's invisible empire had contingency plans for this, man there are going to be a lot of pissed off people in the City of London today.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 23, 2016, 11:51:07 PM
tried to calculate the exchange rate with the danish crown on xe.com but site is getting hammered

pound has reacher lowest point against the dollar since 1985
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: VomKriege on June 24, 2016, 03:16:23 AM
So, that's the script ? Greeks were a bunch of lazy entitled parasites and the British are a bunch of xenophobic twats.
Europe is a great idea but the statu quo of its technocratic political apparatus is failing. It needs to be ramped up or scaled down.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: Tasty on June 24, 2016, 03:19:49 AM
Quote from: Kara on June 23, 2016, 11:46:44 PM
While I don't doubt the City of London's invisible empire had contingency plans for this, man there are going to be a lot of pissed off people in the City of London today.

For those who don't know what Kara is talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrObZ_HZZUc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1ROpIKZe-c
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: VomKriege on June 24, 2016, 05:14:10 AM
Meanwhile, amid the Trump and Brexit car crash, the Colombian governement and FARC have signed the first step to a complete ceasefire and weapon demobilization of the guerilla movement.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Rufus on June 24, 2016, 05:40:10 AM
Holy Shit

They actually went and did it. Exciting times.

Germany just lost a political ally within the EU. This could actually mean good things. Or, more likely, we're going to look like even uglier school masters now.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - And Iran, Iran so far away
Post by: chronovore on June 24, 2016, 09:13:14 AM
Quote from: Mandark on June 23, 2016, 11:46:32 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on June 23, 2016, 11:39:48 PM
Gonna be a lot of people who vote leave only to realizes they don't have better jobs or more money a few years from now.

Yeah, and they'll leave their xenophobia behind after some honest self-reflection, rather than look for another scapegoat.
And here I thought sarcasm didn't work in plaintext.

Quote from: Human Snorenado on June 23, 2016, 11:19:26 PM
Surely there was a shit ton of money to be made in currency speculation tonight :(
Yen went from Ą124/1USD to Ą99/1USD today.

Sadly, I will need to bring more USA money to Japan this month.

Fuck you, England.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Brehvolution on June 24, 2016, 09:22:23 AM
I thought the markets would be down, but they are up along with gold and silver. Oil took a hit though.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Brehvolution on June 24, 2016, 10:13:18 AM
I spoke too soon.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Kara on June 24, 2016, 10:28:59 AM
Quote from: Brehvolution on June 24, 2016, 10:13:18 AM
I spoke too soon.  :doge

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Tasty on June 24, 2016, 11:51:46 AM
Quote from: Brehvolution on June 24, 2016, 10:13:18 AM
I spoke too soon.  :doge

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-markets-idUSKCN0Z92MZ

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Global capital markets reeled on Friday after Britain voted to leave the European Union, with $2 trillion in value wiped from equity bourses worldwide, while money poured into safe-haven gold and government bonds. Sterling suffered a record plunge to a 31-year low.

:dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Brehvolution on June 24, 2016, 12:58:15 PM
In my defense, at the time of the first post money.cnn.com was still showing the dow over 18,000
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Kara on June 24, 2016, 05:16:21 PM
Merkel gets a lot of flak (along with ze Germans in general), but they're going to be indispensable over the divorce process in making it as unpleasant as possible.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: chronovore on June 24, 2016, 06:46:22 PM
Henceforth can I use "Thanks, Britain," in place of "Thanks, Obama"?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: VomKriege on June 27, 2016, 07:39:58 AM
French labor law update : Ultimately the Paris Prefect and unions agreed on a Bastille - Arsenal route for the last demo. In case you're unfamiliar with Paris, it's basically Bastille to... Bastille, as the Arsenal harbor is a small branch starting at the famous place.

Since then, good news all around : Senate reintroduced some of the controversial measures that the Cabinet dropped during negociations and all around hardened the text & masked people conducted vandalism at two major unions HQs. New demonstration tomorrow in Paris...

Elsewhere, Labour is in shambles over the Brexit debacle and in Spain the PSOE ain't too doing too hot either.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 27, 2016, 07:48:04 AM
I remember asking around in Spain and everyone seemed so certain that PP was going to lose big time in favor of PSOE and Podemos but looks like PSOE actually lost seats and Podemos remained static.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: VomKriege on June 27, 2016, 12:47:09 PM
Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on June 27, 2016, 07:48:04 AM
I remember asking around in Spain and everyone seemed so certain that PP was going to lose big time in favor of PSOE and Podemos but looks like PSOE actually lost seats and Podemos remained static.

It has been a regular pattern in Western Europe in the last decade or so, and I suspect it has to do with a mild echo chamber effect within cities (and / or younger populations).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: VomKriege on June 28, 2016, 05:50:20 AM
An ukrainian soldier that was held captive in Russia under civil law (for the "murder" of two journalists killed by an artillery strike she did forward observation for) until last May is agitating the national politics (she was elected MP in absentia) going so far as aknowledging she would accept being President if so was the will of Ukraine.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/09/freed-ukrainian-pilot-nadiya-savchenko-calls-for-talks-with-separatist-rebels
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 28, 2016, 01:56:40 PM
You go, girl!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 29, 2016, 12:24:54 AM
Damn terror attacks in Istanbul

36 dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Tasty on June 29, 2016, 01:32:31 PM
http://mashable.com/2016/06/28/boris-johnson-pornhub-brexit-porn-site/?utm_cid=mash-com-fb-uk-link#qRkd3dTCsGq0

:lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: toku on June 29, 2016, 04:57:51 PM
https://twitter.com/AlexWhite1812/status/748194632295649280

http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-goldman-sachs-vodafone-moving-uk-jobs-eu-referendum-2016-6
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: benjipwns on June 29, 2016, 05:15:01 PM
https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/brexit-democratic-failure-for-uk-by-kenneth-rogoff-2016-06
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The real lunacy of the United Kingdom’s vote to leave the European Union was not that British leaders dared to ask their populace to weigh the benefits of membership against the immigration pressures it presents. Rather, it was the absurdly low bar for exit, requiring only a simple majority. Given voter turnout of 70%, this meant that the leave campaign won with only 36% of eligible voters backing it.

This isn’t democracy; it is Russian roulette for republics. A decision of enormous consequence – far greater even than amending a country’s constitution (of course, the United Kingdom lacks a written one) – has been made without any appropriate checks and balances.
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In terms of durability and conviction of preferences, most societies place greater hurdles in the way of a couple seeking a divorce than Prime Minister David Cameron’s government did on the decision to leave the EU. Brexiteers did not invent this game; there is ample precedent, including Scotland in 2014 and Quebec in 1995. But, until now, the gun’s cylinder never stopped on the bullet. Now that it has, it is time to rethink the rules of the game.

The idea that somehow any decision reached anytime by majority rule is necessarily “democratic” is a perversion of the term.
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What should the UK have done if the question of EU membership had to be asked (which by the way, it didn’t)? Surely, the hurdle should have been a lot higher; for example, Brexit should have required, say, two popular votes spaced out over at least two years, followed by a 60% vote in the House of Commons. If Brexit still prevailed, at least we could know it was not just a one-time snapshot of a fragment of the population.
:hitler
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 29, 2016, 05:35:34 PM
Can any of the parties campaign on not invoking article 50?  Seems like the election could easily act as a second referendum. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: benjipwns on June 29, 2016, 05:39:29 PM
Next UK election won't be until 2020, they have "fixed-terms" now. Unless the Conservatives have a mass revolt of some kind. They hold a majority of seats.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 29, 2016, 05:44:06 PM
lol ok they fucked. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 29, 2016, 05:44:50 PM
I hate it when I have a good idea only to find out there is a law against it. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Kara on June 29, 2016, 05:49:18 PM
Quote
If Brexit still prevailed, at least we could know it was not just a one-time snapshot of a fragment of the population.

Yeah... this wasn't an initiative / proposition snuck on a primary ballot.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: benjipwns on June 29, 2016, 06:02:45 PM
Quote
Rather, it was the absurdly low bar for exit, requiring only a simple majority. Given voter turnout of 70%, this meant that the leave campaign won with only 36% of eligible voters backing it.

This isn’t democracy
Turnout during the 2015 UK election was only 66%. Only 24% of eligible voters voted for the Conservatives, yet they get 330 out of 650 seats?!?!? And Labour got 232 despite only 20% of eligible voters backing them!  44% of eligible voters determined 87% of Parliamentary seats. And the rest were Scots.

This isn't democracy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: chronovore on June 30, 2016, 01:17:21 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on June 28, 2016, 05:50:20 AM
An ukrainian soldier that was held captive in Russia under civil law (for the "murder" of two journalists killed by an artillery strike she did forward observation for) until last May is agitating the national politics (she was elected MP in absentia) going so far as aknowledging she would accept being President if so was the will of Ukraine.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/09/freed-ukrainian-pilot-nadiya-savchenko-calls-for-talks-with-separatist-rebels

Negasonic Teenage Warhead looking like her post-Deadpool career is going well.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2016, 06:56:06 AM
After reading some of the GAF thread on Jeremy Corbyn losing a no confidence vote massively in Labour, for whatever that thread was worth, and then browsing some UK political articles in relation it appears some people are calling for an election to be held in October of this year. These could be UK David Brooks' for all I know. (*MANDARK TRIGGER WARNING* 9th anniversary coming up of his potentially greatest sentence (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/03/opinion/03brooks.html): "The drama opened, as these dark comedies are wont to do, with a strutting little peacock who went by the unimaginative name of Joe Wilson." With one of many runner-ups: "As Joe Wilson was an absurd man with a plain name, Scooter Libby was a plain man with an absurd name." Bonus: "Scooter Libby emerged as the least absurd character in the entire drama, and yet he was the one who committed a crime. President Bush entered the stage like a character from another world, a world in which things make sense.")

But from what I can tell, there's absolutely no reason for the Tories to agree to this other than as political cover to stall the exit from the EU. Which they could stall anyway if the people are "actually against it" as suspected. They have an absolute majority in Parliament, nobody else is even close, so attrition won't kill them off. Labour is imploding even more apparently based on this hilarious vote, so the "best" result could be a Tory plurality with gains for all the smaller parties. LD and UKIP mostly from the polls, though not by huge amounts.

The Conservatives have to willfully not form a government after the current one resigns or two-thirds of Parliament has to vote to dissolve itself. If the polling gets worse for Labour they alone could block the latter.

Also regarding Father Mike's original question that I poo-poo'ed with the law (which some GAFers don't seem to be aware is a thing) it seems one of the things that the Labour Party is upset with Corbyn about is that he shit on their "Labour In" Remain campaign. And they have e-mails (from a private server?!?) or whatever showing his staff trying to distance him from it because of left-wing opposition to the EU to preserve his position.

Also, all the Sanders/Corbyn comparisons in that GAF thread, in the comment sections of sites, etc. are great. Trump sounds like the better comparison outside of everything BUT ideology if you're going to do one of those "ALL POLITICS MUST FIT THE US MODEL" things we're so fond of.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2016, 06:57:18 AM
Also:
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Jeremy Corbyn will shortly deliver a speech on the findings of Labour's anti-semitism report

LATEST: 'An occasional toxic atmosphere is in danger of shutting down free speech within (Labour Party)', reports S Chakrabarti in inquiry

Shami Chakrabarti Inquiry: Labour members should resist the use of Hitler, Nazi and Holocaust metaphors.
Preview of Democratic Party 2016 post-mortem after President Trump is sworn-in amirite.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: fizzel on June 30, 2016, 07:58:45 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-poll-labour-support-win-leadership-election-result-a7033386.html

Blairites need to leave.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 30, 2016, 08:01:58 AM
It's time that the left start actually acting like the left again.  The Clintonite/Blairite "third way" leftism pretty much leaves the average voter no choice except to vote for the green party or something if they want actual progressive politics.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: T-Short on June 30, 2016, 08:39:15 AM
Holy shit, BoJo bailed out. UK twitter is on fire rn :lol

https://twitter.com/khaddon/status/748474115233841152 (https://twitter.com/khaddon/status/748474115233841152)

https://twitter.com/BDStanley/status/748445383014105089 (https://twitter.com/BDStanley/status/748445383014105089)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmMc7IIWQAAZ1Ul.jpg:large)

https://twitter.com/antikewl/status/748473215266230272 (https://twitter.com/antikewl/status/748473215266230272)

https://twitter.com/netw3rk/status/748476714376925184 (https://twitter.com/netw3rk/status/748476714376925184)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: brob on June 30, 2016, 08:48:00 AM
tbf theresa may is a much better pick to lead britain as an isolationist hellpit

good on boris recognizing talent and getting out of the way
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: T-Short on June 30, 2016, 08:59:54 AM
https://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/748451726391447552 (https://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/748451726391447552)

 :heh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2016, 09:10:42 AM
You know what they say about guys with small hands...you can't trust 'em!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: T-Short on June 30, 2016, 09:11:14 AM
(http://www.capitaltrachea.se/misc/bojo2.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: brob on June 30, 2016, 10:06:34 AM
read from the bottom up

(http://i.imgur.com/DeJ1QfC.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: brob on June 30, 2016, 11:00:25 PM
elsewhere in embarrassing world news: CCPPD releases yet another rap song http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-36670095
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Kara on July 01, 2016, 01:49:10 AM
Quote from: brob on June 30, 2016, 11:00:25 PM
elsewhere in embarrassing world news: CCPPD releases yet another rap song http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-36670095

(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/1470E/production/_90162738_chinacrop2.png)

No, not really. :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: VomKriege on July 01, 2016, 02:42:57 AM
Quote
Following a measured speech after taking his oath before a small audience inside the presidential palace, the outspoken leader paid an evening visit to a Manila slum and unleashed profanity-laden threats against drug traffickers in front of a crowd of about 500 people

“These sons of whores are destroying our children. I warn you, don’t go into that, even if you’re a policeman, because I will really kill you,” the head of state told the audience.

“If you know of any addicts, go ahead and kill them yourself as getting their parents to do it would be too painful.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/01/philippines-president-rodrigo-duterte-urges-people-to-kill-drug-addicts
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Kara on July 01, 2016, 03:11:07 AM
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Britain can make compromises to secure continued access to the EU's single market, including possibly a contribution to the bloc's budget, but compromises on immigration are out of the question, Brexit campaigner Nigel Farage told Le Figaro.

Asked by the French daily if Britain would keep benefiting from access to the single market once it has left the European Union, even if it put up obstacles to EU migration, Farage, the head of Britain's anti-EU UK Independence Party, said:

"Absolutely. There can be compromises with the EU, including on a possible British contribution to the EU budget, even if I don’t quite see the logic for it. But there will be no compromises on what Europe calls "freedom of movement".

He added: "Putting the brakes on EU immigration, this is what 17.5 million voters asked us to do."

 :neogaf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: T-Short on July 01, 2016, 04:06:50 AM
Commenter on FT breaks it down succinctly:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmMnamuWYAAgfZO.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 01, 2016, 07:27:51 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/01/austrian-presidential-election-result-overturned-and-must-be-held-again-hofer-van-der-bellen

Austrian supreme court rules that the Austrian presidential election has to be held again.

Quote
Over the course of the investigation, it had emerged that several counting centres had begun to process postal votes on the eve of the election, rather than on the day after the election, as Austrian electoral law requires.

Witness statements in court also revealed that election observers in some centres had signed minutes of the vote count without having read them.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: fizzel on July 01, 2016, 07:34:17 AM
Fucking bastards actually did it then.

It was dodgy as fuck how he lost at the last minute.

Fuck postal votes.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Rufus on July 01, 2016, 08:47:50 AM
Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on July 01, 2016, 07:27:51 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/01/austrian-presidential-election-result-overturned-and-must-be-held-again-hofer-van-der-bellen

Austrian supreme court rules that the Austrian presidential election has to be held again.

Quote
Over the course of the investigation, it had emerged that several counting centres had begun to process postal votes on the eve of the election, rather than on the day after the election, as Austrian electoral law requires.

Witness statements in court also revealed that election observers in some centres had signed minutes of the vote count without having read them.

No one witnessed any actual vote manipulation, but this is enough to 'confirm' all of the FPÖ people's fears.

Still, how fucking stupid do you have to be to not adhere to all the formalities? :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 01, 2016, 09:56:19 AM
farage can act all tough but this negotiation will crush him and the uk unless they do as told
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: T-Short on July 04, 2016, 05:22:06 AM
Farage bailing out now as well. Beautiful
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: T-Short on July 04, 2016, 05:22:57 AM
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Boris Johnson has accused the government of failing to explain how the vote to leave the EU can be made to work in the UK's interests.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36700468 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36700468)

:lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 04, 2016, 05:23:34 AM
Farage stepped down as the leader of UKIP, this man is beyond a joke. Both him and Boris Johnson are tossers of the highest caliber.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/04/nigel-farage-resigns-as-ukip-leader

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Nigel Farage, the Ukip leader, is to step down as head of the party in the wake of the referendum which will see Britain leave the EU, he announced on Monday.

“During the the referendum I said I wanted my country back … now I want my life back,” Farage said at a press conference in London.

:rofl

Thanks Farage!

emoticon plz :brexit

(http://i.imgur.com/S1HrmGv.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 04, 2016, 05:29:29 AM
Thank God Britain will be for the little man aga...

Quote
George Osborne looks at corporation tax cut to attract overseas investors

The reduction from the current 20% rate will be part of the chancellor’s five-point plan to avert a DIY recession

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/03/george-osborne-looks-at-corporation-tax-cut-to-attract-overseas-investors
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Rufus on July 04, 2016, 06:00:54 AM
Yeah, they're gonna have to make that up somehow, I assume. Do they have anything left to cut, besides NHS funding?

Then again, I wonder how many actually pay that rate to begin with. :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 04, 2016, 06:28:40 AM
Cutting your rate by 25% not to have businesses leave is a disaster really for the budget.

But as you say, who is paying that anyway  :doge

I mean Brexit also means the EU won't look into UK companies tax havens.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on July 04, 2016, 07:31:12 AM
Well, at least Newswipe 2016 has a lot to work with
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Take My Breh Away on July 04, 2016, 07:54:45 AM
Quote from: Premium Lager on July 04, 2016, 05:23:34 AM
Farage stepped down as the leader of UKIP, this man is beyond a joke. Both him and Boris Johnson are tossers of the highest caliber.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/04/nigel-farage-resigns-as-ukip-leader

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Nigel Farage, the Ukip leader, is to step down as head of the party in the wake of the referendum which will see Britain leave the EU, he announced on Monday.

“During the the referendum I said I wanted my country back … now I want my life back,” Farage said at a press conference in London.

:rofl

Thanks Farage!

emoticon plz :brexit

(http://i.imgur.com/S1HrmGv.jpg)

Still planning to see out his MEP term and Ł80K a year Salary which goes direct to his tax havens in Jersey and Gibraltar which are now secure from EU interference because of the brexit.

What a conniving shit. :doge 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 04, 2016, 08:20:18 AM
Of course. Total scum, but if you go on thesun.co.uk you still have knobs defending him saying good job Nigel for standing up.

This is the era of the career opposition politician where it's all about whining but not taking any responsibility.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Kara on July 04, 2016, 08:57:34 AM
It really plays to ageist bigotry for older Britons to campaign / vote to leave the EU and then go :badass and walk away from leading the country through the process.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Rufus on July 04, 2016, 09:06:15 AM
"We've had worse" is the most generous stance I can ascribe there.

Wonder if Ozzy G will touch their pensions to see it through, or if he's going to do anything but. The devil in me wants to see him do it, but then he's an awful cunt I don't want to be the deliverer of that karmic pie to the face.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: VomKriege on July 04, 2016, 10:08:18 AM
Iraq, Bangladesh, Turkey... Will we ever be free from those fuckkng murdering bigots ?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Samson Manhug on July 04, 2016, 10:31:27 AM
Yeah, eventually. It's not like we're still being attacked by Rote Fraktion Armee. According to David Rapoport (http://international.ucla.edu/media/files/Rapoport-Four-Waves-of-Modern-Terrorism.pdf), the next phase of terrorism should begin around 2025. But it's just a guess and this wave of religious terrorism could certainly go longer, especially since it's not doing well politically. Ż\_(ツ)_/Ż
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Take My Breh Away on July 04, 2016, 10:41:11 AM
Quote from: Premium Lager on July 04, 2016, 08:20:18 AM
Of course. Total scum, but if you go on thesun.co.uk you still have knobs defending him saying good job Nigel for standing up.

This is the era of the career opposition politician where it's all about whining but not taking any responsibility.

Remarkably I've seen a few cries of "Traitor" and that he's "Killed the party" from people who were adherents. It had always made it round in political gossip circles that the party was badly managed and Farage didn't think much of his own members. To the point he would suspend anyone going against him. The most likely candidate for new party leader is another crook called Paul Nutall who is significantly more incompetent and would run them onto. On top of that the rumors he was only really in it to make sure his business he runs from Gibraltar remained untouched got semi-confirmed today.

I'd anticipate the same slow disappearance into irrelevancy the BNP had when it turned out most of the party leadership, especially Nick Griffin, were taking expenses from party funding to pay for their own lifestyles and it was completely crooked. On top of the fuckery when Griffin tried to renege on a debt to an Ulster businessman with known Ulster Loyalist Terrorist connections and closed down their Belfast call center because of it. 

British far-right wing politics over the past decade :heh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 04, 2016, 12:59:12 PM
So, we're less than a month out from the vote and the top two Brexit leaders have already bailed out. At this rate, the referendum is going to get thrown to the curb and everyone will be begging Cameron to stay. :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 04, 2016, 02:11:19 PM
Merkel is trying to push out Juncker: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/03/angela-merkel-to-oust-jean-claude-juncker-as-europe-splits-deepe/

For what its worth, I doubt London will go away as Europe's financial capital and certainly won't be replaced by Paris.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 04, 2016, 08:10:04 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36706761

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A suicide bomber has killed four security officers and injured five others near one of Islam's holiest sites in the Saudi city of Medina, according to the interior ministry.

The bomber detonated his explosives after being stopped outside the Prophet's Mosque, a statement said.

The mosque is the burial place of the Prophet Muhammad and Medina the second-holiest city in Islam after Mecca.

Blasts also struck two other Saudi cities on Monday.

Yikes
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: VomKriege on July 05, 2016, 12:35:42 AM
Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on July 04, 2016, 08:10:04 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36706761

Quote
A suicide bomber has killed four security officers and injured five others near one of Islam's holiest sites in the Saudi city of Medina, according to the interior ministry.

The bomber detonated his explosives after being stopped outside the Prophet's Mosque, a statement said.

The mosque is the burial place of the Prophet Muhammad and Medina the second-holiest city in Islam after Mecca.

Blasts also struck two other Saudi cities on Monday.

Yikes

Is desacrating the Mosque a N-word thing ? Like some people are triggered because US soldiers were in the same country as it, but grudgingly grumble about it if it's a muslim fundamentalists like in 1979 ?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 05, 2016, 02:38:13 AM
Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on July 04, 2016, 02:11:19 PM
Merkel is trying to push out Juncker: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/03/angela-merkel-to-oust-jean-claude-juncker-as-europe-splits-deepe/

For what its worth, I doubt London will go away as Europe's financial capital and certainly won't be replaced by Paris.

I'd take UK papers with a pinch of salt they are trying to see the best case scenario for them right now.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: VomKriege on July 05, 2016, 02:57:09 AM
You know, I think I am not too peeved with Farage's hypocrisy : European far right leaders shrinking like inflated buffoons at the prospect of power would actually be a decent deal in coming years...

It is pretty hilarious to see the "Leave" figureheads awkwardly admitting their total lack of preparation, tho.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 05, 2016, 03:05:24 AM
I'm 100% convinced this is all part of their long game.

1. Successfully campaign for Brexit
2. Weasel away from fallout and mess that ensues as not to get blame for it
3. Come back in a few year to "clean up" because you saw "country needs you"

Peoples are stupid so them weaseling out will be forgotten and downplayed when they return to take power in a few years. They will have a clean sheet in their PR as they only won and never lost or messed up.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: VomKriege on July 05, 2016, 03:09:39 AM
Meanwhile in France the socialist comedy tour is in full force.

"Blum and the Popular front were also called traitors"
"No we didn't betray the Left values, we inherited a a country in a dire situation !"

Quotes from the Agriculture minister and a local MP at a socialist meeting. Invoking Blum, who actually passed some of the most momentous labor legislation in a "dire situation" to say the least, is :neogaf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: T-Short on July 05, 2016, 09:20:43 AM
We have Frankie:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/05/tory-leadership-election-x-factor-choosing-antichrist-brexit-frankie-boyle (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/05/tory-leadership-election-x-factor-choosing-antichrist-brexit-frankie-boyle)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: brob on July 05, 2016, 09:47:21 AM
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/750313372466360320

:dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Take My Breh Away on July 05, 2016, 09:53:57 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on July 05, 2016, 02:57:09 AM
You know, I think I am not too peeved with Farage's hypocrisy : European far right leaders shrinking like inflated buffoons at the prospect of power would actually be a decent deal in coming years...

It is pretty hilarious to see the "Leave" figureheads awkwardly admitting their total lack of preparation, tho.

The far right in the EU has screwed itself with years of corruption and bilking taxpayers. The only way they keep going is being the boogeyman and leftists trying to take them down via their words rather than their accounts. The later is harder to prove but it's an instant kill versus the oxygen of publicity the left normally gives them.   

As soon as Marie Le Pen ever gets a sniff of power. The "alleged" bungs from Arms companies and other lobbyists that were paid to her and her father (The ones that they went to court to prevent ever being published) will really come back to haunt her once there's a better public interest case :betty

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: fizzel on July 05, 2016, 02:25:50 PM
Iraq, Turkey and Saudi all hit within a week.

Ya'll Saif swingers really need some jesus in your lives...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: VomKriege on July 05, 2016, 07:14:56 PM
Yeah Le Pen senior is a huge piece of work and he received plenty of money from all the same dark (and not just because they are from Africa) sources as the other politicians.

French Left is imploding on all sides now. Jean-Luc Mélenchon, ex-socialist and ever populist, pretty much dumped the Left Front coalition between his party and the remnants of the French Communists. It was always a difficult wedding : Communists were trying to assert too much control (according to Mélenchon), Mélenchon was too focused on the Presidential election instead of local politics (according to Communists... and pretty much everyone else) which is the last preserve of Marxists. Still you got to wonder just exactly how dumb they all are to scatter forces in the buildup to the next general elections for President and Parliament where the Socialist Party is almost guaranteed to do very poorly (Their yearly summer public convention is being scraped, for all intents and purposes, out of fear it will get rowdy with protestors : that's how unpopular they are). Mélenchon is rebranding himself as a total outsider to the system, the leader of "unruly France", but I don't think it will do better like that than if he had a bigger party behind him.

tl,dr : France will probably have a right wing President next year.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 05, 2016, 11:41:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXCTqpxOIJU
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 06, 2016, 07:08:23 AM
Already at a few min in:

-Chav
-6 kids
-has a horse in back garden of a terrace house
-no job, on benefits
-refuses minimum wage jobs cause not good enough
-blames Poles
-has latest Nike England kit

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Rufus on July 06, 2016, 09:15:20 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/04/pegida-pair-hunt-migrants-with-vigilantes-on-bulgaria-border/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: benjipwns on July 07, 2016, 01:47:32 AM
Corbyn saved!

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36712735

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Tony Blair overstated the threat posed by Saddam Hussein, sent ill-prepared troops into battle and had "wholly inadequate" plans for the aftermath, the UK's Iraq War inquiry has said.

Chairman Sir John Chilcot said the 2003 invasion was not the "last resort" action presented to MPs and the public.

There was no "imminent threat" from Saddam - and the intelligence case was "not justified", he said.

Mr Blair apologised for any mistakes made but not the decision to go to war.
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After meeting relatives of British service people killed in Iraq, Mr Corbyn said: "I now apologise sincerely on behalf of my party for the disastrous decision to go to war."

He urged the UK to back moves to give the International Criminal Court "the power to prosecute those responsible for the crime of military aggression".
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Brehvolution on July 07, 2016, 09:24:20 AM
Cheney for Prison 2016  :american
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Take My Breh Away on July 07, 2016, 12:00:34 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/46C6um3.png)

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/751073736959361025

(https://media.giphy.com/media/Ic97mPViHEG5O/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Rufus on July 07, 2016, 12:14:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqAF5m-TvAc
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 07, 2016, 01:15:50 PM
whoa, and I thought Trump had tiny hands.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: brob on July 07, 2016, 07:50:05 PM
to be fair, michael gove looks like he has some sort of strange motor deficiency doing all sorts of mundane things

https://twitter.com/rgncny/status/748906900738244608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: chronovore on July 07, 2016, 08:41:40 PM
Quote from: brob on July 07, 2016, 07:50:05 PM
to be fair, michael gove looks like he has some sort of strange motor deficiency doing all sorts of mundane things

https://twitter.com/rgncny/status/748906900738244608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Looks like his Human Skin Suit fits about as well as Ted Cruz'.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Rufus on July 08, 2016, 12:52:54 PM
Plague or cholera. Place your bets.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36744449
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2016, 04:11:52 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmxcYgxXEAApUZt.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 08, 2016, 06:08:11 PM
Women don't need to be told that being in labour isn't fun. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: toku on July 08, 2016, 10:49:51 PM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/7/putin-signs-sweeping-surveillance-measures-law-sno/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: VomKriege on July 11, 2016, 05:53:52 AM
Barroso getting hired by Goldman Sachs :neogaf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Rufus on July 11, 2016, 07:43:41 AM
It's really not helping things, is it... Juncker will join him, if he's ever ousted.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Rufus on July 11, 2016, 09:26:15 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/07/09/obama-slammed-polish-democracy-on-friday-heres-how-polish-tv-proved-him-right/

Wtf is going on in Poland. :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: brob on July 11, 2016, 10:31:23 AM
Same thing that's happening in Ukraine and Hungary probably
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 11, 2016, 10:58:12 AM
i told my dad and his reply was

"if that happened its stupid but we have many channels and news shows so you can get the real news elsewhere"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 11, 2016, 11:01:21 AM
slap your dad
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 11, 2016, 11:30:37 AM
Abe's party gains six seats in the latest election.  Right wing nationalism is definitely on the upswing worldwide.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 11, 2016, 11:36:50 AM
Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on July 11, 2016, 11:30:37 AM
Abe's party gains six seats in the latest election.  Right wing nationalism is definitely on the upswing worldwide.

:bow Party of Lincoln :bow2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Tasty on July 11, 2016, 01:50:05 PM
I miss Boris.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit? I hardly even know her!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 11, 2016, 01:59:04 PM
im pretty sure boris votes PIS
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Post by: Rufus on July 12, 2016, 07:54:47 AM
https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/752531316755881984

Holy shit :heh
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 12, 2016, 11:19:12 AM
The stiffed shoulder walk makes it.  Could have been half of a Monty python skit. 
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Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2016, 12:19:07 PM
right

*fumbling noises*

good
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 12, 2016, 01:08:45 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 12, 2016, 12:19:07 PM
* accidentally breaks up the UK

right

*fumbling noises*

good
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Post by: Broseidon on July 12, 2016, 06:28:00 PM
Quote from: Premium Lager on July 11, 2016, 01:59:04 PM
im pretty sure boris votes PIS

Struck me more as a KORWiN voter :hitler
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Post by: Take My Breh Away on July 12, 2016, 06:43:47 PM
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-leadership-row-highprofile-figures-barred-from-succeeding-nigel-farage-after-ridiculous-a3293386.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36756379

Told you UKIP would implode. Not even a month out of Europe and party members are leaving. But then it's likely also related to a former party member, who was a former MEP they tried to string up for expenses fraud when she challenged Farage's authority, was cleared because they have evidence she was being set up by UKIP leaders who are also being investigated regarding their expenses (Which is still ongoing)

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/11/former-ukip-mep-nikki-sinclaire-cleared-expenses-fraud

Suddenly a shitload of rumors about how UKIP was run and crooked as fuck get proven true in a matter of weeks while the leaders who profited the most retire and abandon the party. :heh
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Post by: naff on July 12, 2016, 07:09:25 PM
Quote from: Kara on July 04, 2016, 08:57:34 AM
It really plays to ageist bigotry for older Britons to campaign / vote to leave the EU and then go :badass and walk away from leading the country through the process.

Seems the brexiteers now laud them leaving as necessary for the nation to start fresh and move away from the controversial imagery formed by Farage and Johnson. It does look like smart political engineering, have the (unofficial) faces of the leave campaign make an emotional appeal to the base desires of racist english nationalists, then controversially win on that note, and have them resign paving the way for the more moderate, rational conservative leadership - Michael Gove Theresa May, man I really need to keep up with this stuff... 

:whew

Win on xenophobia and bad policy promises, then provide scapegoats for not delivering on those dumb promises :gbcry
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Post by: brob on July 13, 2016, 03:01:35 PM
Quote from: brob on June 30, 2016, 08:48:00 AM
tbf theresa may is a much better pick to lead britain as an isolationist hellpit

good on boris recognizing talent and getting out of the way

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/753300016299638785

real recognize real :lawd
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Post by: Take My Breh Away on July 13, 2016, 03:49:44 PM
Quote from: brob on July 13, 2016, 03:01:35 PM
Quote from: brob on June 30, 2016, 08:48:00 AM
tbf theresa may is a much better pick to lead britain as an isolationist hellpit

good on boris recognizing talent and getting out of the way

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/753300016299638785

real recognize real :lawd

:woody :woody :woody :woody :woody

(http://i.imgur.com/2dcBGiN.gif)
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Post by: chronovore on July 13, 2016, 09:38:29 PM
Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on July 11, 2016, 11:30:37 AM
Abe's party gains six seats in the latest election.  Right wing nationalism is definitely on the upswing worldwide.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/10/does-this-religious-cult-run-japan.html

As a permanent resident, I'm sick of Abe's rule here. He should have been disqualified for being back in charge after he quit from depression the first time. His economic ("ABENOMICS") policies are utterly, provably shit. He's restricted freedom of the press both in law, and in policies which abuse the social contracts this country holds sacrosanct. Because his buddies got hurt feels.

It makes me sick.
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Post by: Take My Breh Away on July 14, 2016, 05:36:34 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/XhsUu6H.jpg)

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/753519967442759680

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Post by: fizzel on July 14, 2016, 08:27:53 AM
It's a pretty solid cabinet otherwise. 'kin 'ell at boris though.  :lol
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Post by: Samson Manhug on July 14, 2016, 01:06:10 PM
Boris Johnson as foreign secretary? Seriously?
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 14, 2016, 01:09:19 PM
If they want to be more isolationist, seems like a good choice to me.
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Post by: VomKriege on July 14, 2016, 06:25:26 PM
A truck drove directly (and shot, unclear ?) into the crowd gathered for the firework display at the Promenade des Anglais at Nice in the south of France. Perhaps 30 dead, if not more, maybe thrice injured. Driver was confirmed shot dead by the prefect, citizens told to stay at home, and a massive security perimeter has been established.

The new normal  :-\

EDIT : 73 dead as of now. Identity and motive of the driver still unknown or undisclosed.
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Post by: curly on July 14, 2016, 07:16:49 PM
Jesus, another one?
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Post by: Joe Molotov on July 14, 2016, 07:19:38 PM
 :-\
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Post by: VomKriege on July 14, 2016, 07:22:02 PM
Quote from: curly on July 14, 2016, 07:16:49 PM
Jesus, another one?

Latest is that the driver was armed with several guns. However we don't know who he is at this point.
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Post by: chronovore on July 14, 2016, 07:22:38 PM
God damnit.  :'(
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Post by: VomKriege on July 14, 2016, 08:15:45 PM
Less than two weeks before the end of the state of emergency that was confirmed by Hollande today too :goty2
Is Israeli-like policing and counter-terrorism our future ?
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Post by: Rufus on July 14, 2016, 08:31:06 PM
I hope not, but it's not looking good.  :-\
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 14, 2016, 09:40:16 PM
Per Agence France Presse:

- Death toll is 77 and seems to be rising
- The truck was loaded with heavy weapons
- There were identity papers of a French-Tunisian man (not sure if suspect)
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 14, 2016, 09:53:50 PM
http://www.news.com.au/world/explosions-rock-brussels/news-story/45690ba94bb08acb9598553487b64006

Brussels getting fucked up now too
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 14, 2016, 09:58:27 PM
Jesus
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Post by: Kara on July 14, 2016, 11:50:18 PM
I'm glad that I lived long enough to see headlines like "Pokemon at Holocaust Museum?" and porn streaming sites honoring the fallen.

(http://i.imgur.com/SVeeb6c.png)
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 15, 2016, 12:11:34 AM
fuck :(
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Post by: VomKriege on July 15, 2016, 04:15:51 AM
French state of emergency to be extended three months instead of ended  :dayum
If all it takes is a lone nutcase to justify it, we're not seeing the end of it anytime soon.
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Post by: VomKriege on July 15, 2016, 04:50:59 AM
Well it's morning down here and the conga line of stupidity has begun, after a rather restrained night when even some of the horrible local Nice politicians were very subdued by the reality of it all.

How to prevent an act like that ?
Well, army patrolling the country so just tweak their rules of engagement and "put at the end of the Promenade des Anglais a soldier with a rocket launcher and he will stop the truck", according to Henri Guaino. This man is elected at the National Assembly and most notably was one of the major unofficial advisors to President Sarkozy. This is the level here people.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 15, 2016, 07:41:05 AM
A suspect has been identified: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/nice-france-truck-attack-driver-mohamed-lahouaiej-bouhlel/?linkId=26589604

Quote
For many, there was nowhere safe to go. The vehicle zig-zagged for just over one mile until police shot and killed the driver.

Authorities found a handgun, assault rifle and fake hand grenades in the truck. An investigation is ongoing to determine whether this was a lone wolf attack.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 15, 2016, 09:14:08 AM
There is no stopping things like this by force, I hope people realize this.

The only thing is including people in society so that they don't feel like tearing it down.
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Post by: VomKriege on July 15, 2016, 09:31:50 AM
As expected everyone jumped early at the whole terrorism angle, but so far nothing was made public about his motivations. He was known to the police, only for petty violence, but not to intelligence. Mentally ill people trying to go on a vehicular killing spree is not new, even if it never reached such heights. Is it terrorism without at least being emboldened by some political rhetoric or making a statement, let alone actual contacts with an organization providing logistics or some ideological cover ?
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Post by: El Babua on July 15, 2016, 04:05:38 PM
Shit going down in Turkey right now.
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Post by: toku on July 15, 2016, 04:17:07 PM
Yep looks like a military coup is happening in Turkey rn:
https://twitter.com/conflicts/status/754041460454981632
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Post by: Rufus on July 15, 2016, 04:18:14 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36809083

No details yet.
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Post by: Let's Cyber on July 15, 2016, 04:22:01 PM
Quote from: toku on July 15, 2016, 04:17:07 PM
Yep looks like a military coup is happening in Turkey rn:
https://twitter.com/conflicts/status/754041460454981632
The video of that jet flying over the residential neighborhoods, holy shit
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 15, 2016, 04:23:01 PM
Turkey's PM has denounced an "illegal action" by a military "group"
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Post by: toku on July 15, 2016, 04:25:05 PM
Facebook, YT and Twitter blocked:
https://twitter.com/TurkeyBlocks/status/754043966547431424
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on July 15, 2016, 04:28:47 PM
oh shit.
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Post by: Let's Cyber on July 15, 2016, 04:31:53 PM
Yeah this shit is for real.  Blood will be spilled. 
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Post by: VomKriege on July 15, 2016, 04:42:40 PM
To be fair I expected that a few years ago. Does the army have the same clout it had before ? Especially with Erdogan having kept such a long grip on the levers ? Just hoping for a quick and bloodless resolution.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 15, 2016, 04:53:50 PM
What's the politics here?  Is the military more or less sectarian than the gov? 
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Post by: Rufus on July 15, 2016, 04:54:19 PM
20-fucking-16
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on July 15, 2016, 05:06:23 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on July 15, 2016, 04:53:50 PM
What's the politics here?  Is the military more or less sectarian than the gov?
Yeah can someone please explain?
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Post by: VomKriege on July 15, 2016, 05:07:03 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on July 15, 2016, 04:53:50 PM
What's the politics here?  Is the military more or less sectarian than the gov?

Army always had a reputation as a self appointed guardian of the Ataturk's principles, more secular (very much so, in fact, Turkish legislation was on par with French in some respects for the veil in public places and official id) but certainly happy to break a few democratic eggs in the process. Erdogan doesn't have a clean record for that (press, protests, social media) and is obviously angling for a more religious state with troubling references to the Ottoman empire but he has been consistently elected.
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Post by: curly on July 15, 2016, 05:07:48 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on July 15, 2016, 04:53:50 PM
What's the politics here?  Is the military more or less sectarian than the gov?

The government is blaming the Gulen movement, which is a religious group that's been cracked down on by Erdogan. I don't know if those claims are credible or just the government blaming a feared enemy.
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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on July 15, 2016, 05:10:33 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on July 15, 2016, 04:53:50 PM
What's the politics here?  Is the military more or less sectarian than the gov?
more secular than the de facto Islamist akp, tentatively pro-assad and way more hostile to the kurdish minority
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 15, 2016, 05:12:51 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on July 15, 2016, 04:53:50 PM
What's the politics here?  Is the military more or less sectarian than the gov?
Pro-honey, anti frying.
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Post by: VomKriege on July 15, 2016, 05:20:06 PM
Here's an article about the several Turkish coups of the past half century to give some context
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2012/04/20124472814687973.html
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Post by: toku on July 15, 2016, 05:21:06 PM
https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/754062224331800576
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Post by: VomKriege on July 15, 2016, 05:32:11 PM
I guess you could say it's pretty much the same dynamic than in Egypt, Algeria and all over the region with the army defending a more nationalist, "western" inspired notion of modernism, being to an extent the only champion available to progressives of all strides against a very popular undercurrent of religious inspired conservatism. Ataturk did get on with it much earlier and Turkey did fare better at it to the point its addition to the European Union is very much credible in abstract, even if mired with major political obstacles in practice.
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Post by: VomKriege on July 15, 2016, 05:43:09 PM
https://twitter.com/GuillaumeDaudin/status/754064937086058497/photo/1

Erdogan being forced to use FaceTime to appear on TV.  :lol  :-\
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Post by: Let's Cyber on July 15, 2016, 05:50:17 PM
"I'm totally still in charge" says guy from his iPhone in undisclosed hotel room
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Post by: VomKriege on July 15, 2016, 06:05:48 PM
https://twitter.com/saramill/status/754059759406444544/photo/1

And according to Reuters :

Quote
One European Union source told Reuters that the military action "looks like a relatively well-orchestrated coup by a substantial body of the military, not just a few colonels".
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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on July 15, 2016, 06:33:59 PM
http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/07/12/turkeys-deep-state-has-a-secret-backchannel-to-assad/

Hearing that they're fighting close to parliament now.
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Post by: Let's Cyber on July 15, 2016, 06:37:16 PM
Watching Sky News, the crowds are getting very large
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Post by: Rufus on July 15, 2016, 06:37:26 PM
https://twitter.com/Stratfor/status/754068991887409152

Erdogan seeking asylum in Germany.

What a strange year.
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Post by: VomKriege on July 15, 2016, 07:08:48 PM
Former president Gul also appearing on FaceTime.  :doge
https://twitter.com/abdullahawez/status/754079278401253376/photo/1

The main public TV channel, TRT, has allegedly stopped broadcasting after journalists there took photos of soldiers in the building.
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Post by: Sausage on July 15, 2016, 07:09:57 PM
So who's leading the coup
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Post by: Rufus on July 15, 2016, 07:11:10 PM
A "military faction", near as anybody can tell. Seems everyone has come out in condemnation of them so far.
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Post by: Kara on July 15, 2016, 07:15:33 PM
Quote from: Rufus on July 15, 2016, 06:37:26 PM
https://twitter.com/Stratfor/status/754068991887409152

Erdogan seeking asylum in Germany.

What a strange year.

Can Böhmermann make fun of him now? :hitler
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 15, 2016, 07:18:22 PM
Too bad Erdogan wasn't killed.  Then again, many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. I guess I should not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.
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Post by: VomKriege on July 15, 2016, 07:25:44 PM
Quote from: Sausage on July 15, 2016, 07:09:57 PM
So who's leading the coup

According to Erdogan, his former ally now exiled Fethullah Gülen, which is supposedly a very moderate islamist political thinker with an important following. In reality probably a junta of military leaders. A manifesto of the coup was aired on TV and denounce the creeping instigation of an autocracy, want to reestablish civil liberties and the constitution. The recent terrorist attacks out of the Levant clusterfuck also apparently fueled some of the unrest.

Reading the snippets of international reactions, one doesn't feel a lot of love for Erdogan. Everyone is concerned and hope for a peaceful resolution but nobody has been exactly grandstanding about the sanctity of President Erdogan's mandate. I suspect the EU, Russia and Israel would all feel much more at ease with a Turkish regime less focused on any form of political islamism.

EDIT : Obama and Merkel have come out with clearer statement that democratic rule ought to be respected.
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Post by: brob on July 15, 2016, 07:44:11 PM
coup haven't secured parlament? they just ran up assuming they could drive some tanks up and flex it out? making a mockery of turkey's long and storied history of military coups smh

good a time as any to raid İmralı tho, Öcalan hasn't published a book in forever I'm worried about the boy  :(

edit: the conspiracies are coming fast n thick already
 (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CncW4PxWAAAnatF.jpg)
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Post by: VomKriege on July 15, 2016, 07:54:29 PM
Yeah, you would have expected something much more clean and definitive by such specialists as Turks. The army not getting his way for the first time would be quite the symbol, and the sign that Erdogan did achieve to put it on a leash, although I'm too ignorant of Turkish affairs to really have an opinion on how positive this would be.
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Post by: Mr Gilhaney on July 15, 2016, 08:05:43 PM
Köksal Baba 2016
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 15, 2016, 08:50:17 PM
https://twitter.com/putintintin1/status/754065801100029953/photo/1

When you're using Facetime to let people know that you're still in charge of your country, that's not really a very good sign that you actually are.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: VomKriege on July 15, 2016, 08:59:54 PM
The situation is very "fluid", as it is proper to say when you are a serious member of the establishment, aka it's turning into a SNAFU. The real extent of the coup is unknown. Police in Istanbul is reporting shooting at passing jets, which suggests air control is not as tight as the officials said. Parliament has suffered at least two explosions. Istanbul airport at least one, a few minutes after Erdogan is supposed to have come back via plane. TV and radio channels are being invested by soldiers and seems to change hands every hour or so, CNN Live Feed is still on despite all employess being held by soldiers off screen. It seems unfortunately pretty certain that several civilians were killed by gunfire in Istanbul.

EDIT : Opposition parties have stated they disavowed the coup and stood with the AKP for a return to legality.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: VomKriege on July 15, 2016, 09:08:32 PM
Holy shit some dude in a tshirt, obviously drenched in sweat, appeared on the set of CNN Turk, fumbled with a portable mic and is now obviously trying to do a broadcast or a phone call while there's lots of shouting in the distance.

More people seen now in the background, walking.  Dude is still texting and trying to make phone calls...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: brob on July 15, 2016, 09:48:34 PM
https://twitter.com/wrightr/status/754123700140511233

the best kind of political turmoil is the one where every outcome is terrible
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Post by: Atramental on July 15, 2016, 10:14:07 PM
Quote from: Mr Gilhaney on July 15, 2016, 08:05:43 PM
Köksal Baba 2016
(http://i.imgur.com/QMENINY.jpg?1)

(http://i.imgur.com/9V4oAQ7.jpg?1)  (http://i.imgur.com/FHNFTyg.gif)

Stay safe, Baba.  :doge
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Post by: TVC15 on July 15, 2016, 10:41:11 PM
Any word on body count yet?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 15, 2016, 10:44:01 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 15, 2016, 08:50:17 PM
https://twitter.com/putintintin1/status/754065801100029953/photo/1

When you're using Facetime to let people know that you're still in charge of your country, that's not really a very good sign that you actually are.

That video of tanks running over citizians :(
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Post by: TVC15 on July 15, 2016, 10:47:20 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on July 15, 2016, 10:44:01 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 15, 2016, 08:50:17 PM
https://twitter.com/putintintin1/status/754065801100029953/photo/1

When you're using Facetime to let people know that you're still in charge of your country, that's not really a very good sign that you actually are.

That video of tanks running over citizians :(

I don't know if we're talking about the same video, but I saw one promising that and it was really disappointing. You couldn't really see anything at all. It was tamer than even that so-called "NSFL" video of that cop in Dallas getting shot.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 15, 2016, 11:36:34 PM
Quote from: brob on July 15, 2016, 09:48:34 PM
https://twitter.com/wrightr/status/754123700140511233

the best kind of political turmoil is the one where every outcome is terrible

I had the same thought earlier. A failed coup isn't just going to end with everything going to back to the way it was pre-coup, it's going to end with Erdogan getting payback and then tightening the leash even more.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: fizzel on July 16, 2016, 06:43:50 AM
Kemalism is fucked.

We're gonna have another Islamic shithole on Europe's doorstep.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 16, 2016, 07:22:42 AM
The military is supposed to be a secular check on political power and with the failure of this coup, that's no longer going to be the case moving forward.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Rufus on July 16, 2016, 08:14:06 AM
Onwards, backwards.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Rufus on July 16, 2016, 08:47:37 AM
The purges have started. First: involved military. Second: more than 2500 judges. :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 16, 2016, 09:38:51 AM
hard to believe that shithole is a nato member
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: VomKriege on July 16, 2016, 10:10:29 AM
Quote from: Premium Lager on July 16, 2016, 09:38:51 AM
hard to believe that shithole is a nato member

 :cmonson
We both know Turkish membership has nothing to do with its current situation or whatever naive delusions we all would like to share about due political process and decency. The original founders of NATO had several countries keeping hold of vast colonial holdings through force including an actual dictatorship. Turkey is a key location for European defence and they are a partner willing to play ball on a lot of critical plans. As most Europeans, I am likewise worried that one of the most functional progressive & secularist project in that region is going down the drain, but Turkey is still very far from being hostile.

And while I'm ambivalent on the whole thing, the coup fizzling that fast is rather a proof of Turkish's resiliency.
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Post by: VomKriege on July 16, 2016, 10:46:23 AM
In the BBC feed :

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As Turkish Airlines restarts flights from Istanbul's Ataturk Airport, South African holidaymaker Nic Hodgson has been describing scenes of great frustration at the airport today.

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Absolute disgraceful service from Turkish Airlines. Now 2.30pm Saturday and not one announcement about what is happening (...) The largest airline in the world that they market as the best airline in the world and this is the scene at a lounge desk, where we managed to find one staff member. There have been no announcements and nothing posted on any airline electronic board so thousands of passengers in the terminal are completely without information about when and if their flights may resume.

Nic says the Cape Town office of the airline told him that as the coup attempt began all Turkish Airlines staff were sent home.

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We did not see one staff member at all throughout the night and until well after 10am this morning. The commercial side of the airport is back up and running smoothly and in the Lounge, where we escaped to during the stampede last night and while jet aircraft flew overhead, there is not one staff member serving any drink or food and there is nothing to eat after more than 12 hours.

 :cac
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 16, 2016, 12:52:02 PM
motherfucking people complaining about drinks in the middle of a coup

these are the people that voted brexit no doubt

making a case for euthanasia
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 16, 2016, 01:03:59 PM
Kinda disappointed the coup failed.  Turkey just keeps going down hill.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Rufus on July 16, 2016, 01:07:41 PM
Yeah, this will only lend more legitimacy to Erdogan. I'd hoped to at least find out more about his son's alleged oil business with ISIS.

The fact that they started with Erdogan out of the capital kind of already spelled doom for this. How is he not your first objective? Brob posted somethig earlier which sounds more and more plausible to me by the day. The government knew this was doomed, so they let it happen to serve as justification for whatever other plans Erdogan had in the drawer. :hans1
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 16, 2016, 01:18:21 PM
coup failed cause while erdogan might be an idiot he was chosen and has support
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: VomKriege on July 16, 2016, 06:55:50 PM
So far the investigation into the man who drove the truck in Nice haven't turned anything in the way of establishing a newfound religious fervor (except that he may have had stopped drinking very recently, but that's gleaned from one neighbour anecdote). Plenty of stuff on anger management issues however, including some episodes of domestic violence towards his now ex-wife; potential depression.

Maybe they'll find something on the computers, but really the whole terrorism assumption seems to hang on almost excusively on the fact he was a muslim (and barely even that observant, according to the people of his native town in Tunisia). There's a lot of grasping at straws about the "context" and how ISIS has preconised somewhat similar method of actions for would be terrorists with no access to guns & explosives. It is incredibly tenuous and I think politicians and medias are doing a disservice pushing that kind of shit around.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: naff on July 16, 2016, 07:42:44 PM
Quote from: Rufus on July 16, 2016, 01:07:41 PM
The fact that they started with Erdogan out of the capital kind of already spelled doom for this. How is he not your first objective? Brob posted somethig earlier which sounds more and more plausible to me by the day. The government knew this was doomed, so they let it happen to serve as justification for whatever other plans Erdogan had in the drawer. :hans1

The idea the government knew about an attempt and allowed it to occur is less outrageous than the idea that Erdogan initiated the coup himself, and there are a lot of questions about how badly executed the coup was.

Equally difficult to prove is the Erdogan regimes claim that this was orchestrated by Fethullah Gulen, and that he is responsible for the parallel power structures within the Turkish military and government. He had supporters sure, but Erdogan has been on a run removing anyone associated with Gulen from power for the last 3 years...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: VomKriege on July 16, 2016, 08:10:59 PM
About that, there was a lot of people shouthing "Reichstag Fire !" but to my knowledge the Nazi implication in this is a theory with no consensus from historians and very little evidence to substantiate it. Almost an urban legend.

The fear of having been found out and therefore lauching early and poorly prepared is a common occurence in failed uprisings.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 16, 2016, 08:24:00 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/HFRjHtH.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: naff on July 16, 2016, 09:23:27 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on July 16, 2016, 08:10:59 PM
About that, there was a lot of people shouthing "Reichstag Fire !" but to my knowledge the Nazi implication in this is a theory with no consensus from historians and very little evidence to substantiate it. Almost an urban legend.

The fear of having been found out and therefore lauching early and poorly prepared is a common occurence in failed uprisings.

Who were shouting reichstag fire? Also, Erdogan does kinda remind me of a modern day Franco. 

In the end it doesn't matter if this was their Reichstag Fire moment or not, unless something came out to sway public opinion. Conspiracy theorists are so annoying, yeah your theory is plausible, so what? I guess if your soapbox is big enough you could use your theories without proof to influence opinion... Anyway,  the effect is the same, and now he gets to start excising "the gang" en masse.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Rufus on July 16, 2016, 09:32:09 PM
The GAF thread was full of references to Hitler last time I looked. It's not just there though. Not surprising, given Erdogan's autocratic ambitions.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: brob on July 16, 2016, 09:47:22 PM
http://www.kurdishquestion.com/article/3289-kurdish-movement-releases-statement-on-turkey-coup-attempt

also seen tweets about clashes between AKP and Kurds/Alevis in Gazi, but idk, scant reporting. And several bozkurt pics, but AKP supporters have been openly fascist for a while so I guess there isn't much to be scandalized by there...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: VomKriege on July 17, 2016, 02:34:42 AM
Quote from: naff on July 16, 2016, 09:23:27 PM
Who were shouting reichstag fire? Also, Erdogan does kinda remind me of a modern day Franco. 

Lots of people in the GAF thread and elsewhere. Not directed at anyone here. Wanted to bring this up, because that's one exemple where the myth overtook reality and that's being brandished as the textbook example on expert political puppet mastering.

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on July 16, 2016, 08:24:00 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/HFRjHtH.png)

The "operational reserve" (don't ask me, there's some byzantine definitions of different reserves) will be used to relieve a part of the French soldiers now being commited to the "Sentinelle"  operation aka the deployment of soldier foot patrols on French territory (most notably in railway stations, public & private schools...). The thing is of dubious use beyond reassuring citizens and giving a hand to police to close perimeters... It's also eating a lot of military capacity : France is already committed in many theaters overseas and Sentinelle is straining the ability to beef up or relieve properly current operations.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Kara on July 17, 2016, 02:35:44 AM
Levée en masse is back.

In pog form.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: VomKriege on July 17, 2016, 02:58:49 AM
A general was on the radio the other day and pretty much said -in the neutral way public servants express themselves- that "Sentinelle" was bullshit. Soldiers are bound by very strict rules about what they can do within it really, stricter than law enforcement agents (understandably), and it obeys to a Sisyphean logic of trying to have a man behind every citizen. He argued that soldiers should be kept for their actual jobs and would better serve at potentially crushing hostile political entities abroad (notably in our Sahel and Levant operations) than idling around trying to prevent what cannot be prevented.

Current military policy plan is to make an effort on increasing reserves and how long you can be called on duty but there's a few difficulties with that : budget, keeping troops motivated and a bit of a fear that being a reservist would hurt your employability (since you will miss a few work days a year).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 17, 2016, 03:16:59 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on July 17, 2016, 02:34:42 AM
The "operational reserve" (don't ask me, there's some byzantine definitions of different reserves) will be used to relieve a part of the French soldiers now being commited to the "Sentinelle"  operation aka the deployment of soldier foot patrols on French territory (most notably in railway stations, public & private schools...). The thing is of dubious use beyond reassuring citizens and giving a hand to police to close perimeters...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dmlwhaEEgE
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 17, 2016, 08:16:03 AM
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Kara on July 17, 2016, 02:23:38 PM
I suppose this is more of an American problem, but with the proliferation of military grade hardware among the sundry law enforcement organizations out there is there even a meaningful distinction between police and military anymore? Beyond, perhaps, police officers failing harder / faster at defeating resistance movements in the third world despite having operational budgets in the billions if they were thrust into such a position.

Then there's the proliferation of private military companies on top of that.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: VomKriege on July 17, 2016, 05:47:43 PM
There's still a major difference in purpose, mindset, training, hardware and the legal framing. Soldiers doing police work within a COIN doctrine is not quite the same and the perception isn't seamless : Those duties are only temporary and everyone knows it in whatever theater. The line being blurred, and it is right now, is bad news to everyone and firstly citizens of stable states with some rule of law.

Speaking of which, the drive for french reserve called upon now are specifically police and gendarmerie reserves.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: VomKriege on July 18, 2016, 06:47:27 PM
The Nice truck killer may had developed a "very recent interest" for religion (googled up chants calling for Jihad, Orlando killings, and started a beard to show his faith if witness are to be believed), according to the prosecutor in charge. Still feel the looming (and could it not be ?) terrorism narrative was put forward way too strong and soon. Regardless, CCTV footage (Nice is covered with it, policy from city hall) show him scouting the Promenade des Anglais the two days before, clearly a level of planned intent.

Meanwhile the opposition (which has the city of Nice plus the MP and the region down there) is antagonizing the government on every turn of this and the prime minister had a booing welcome at the commemoration in the coastal city from the inhabitants.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 18, 2016, 09:36:01 PM
Some crazy fuck injured 18 people with an axe in Germany: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/germany-train-axe-attack-live-8445573
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: chronovore on July 18, 2016, 10:49:39 PM
Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on July 18, 2016, 09:36:01 PM
Some crazy fuck injured 18 people with an axe in Germany: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/germany-train-axe-attack-live-8445573

If only there had been a Good Guy with an Axe nearby, this problem could have been averted.

:vikings
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: VomKriege on July 19, 2016, 08:25:53 AM
Since May, 400 deaths attributed to police and milicias following the new policies of the populist filipino president regarding drug trafficking. :kobeyuck
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: brawndolicious on July 19, 2016, 01:35:53 PM
A long time ago in Iran a prosecutor instituted an automatic death penalty for anybody holding more than a certain amount of heroin. It was successful in jacking up the price of drugs but they stopped when some politicians kid was the eventual victim.

You know that's going to happen here. But the president of the Phillipines is so crazy I'm worried there could be a coup or some sort of violent protests.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Rufus on July 19, 2016, 02:38:55 PM
Turkey's post-coup attempt purges are nuts. All of them alleged supporters of Gülen, who they're continuing to pin this on
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36838347

6k military
9k police
3k judges
15k educational staff
1.5k university deans
21k teachers at private institutions

24 radio and TV channels lost their broadcast licences as well.

And the cherry on top:
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The country's Religious Affairs Directorate has banned religious funerals for supporters of the attempted coup, the Anadolu news agency reported.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: VomKriege on July 19, 2016, 03:08:50 PM
They obviously had the lists ready in some intelligence folder. They must feel incredibly confident, because that's a lot of people from the public gentry to disinfranchise.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: brob on July 20, 2016, 10:04:03 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnzEmtmWYAAsm7K.jpg)

  :gbcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Rufus on July 20, 2016, 10:15:36 AM
"Should the EU deny Britons all benefits of EU membership?"

Business and political elites say "ah-yup, totes".

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: VomKriege on July 20, 2016, 11:34:59 AM
Third passage at the national assembly of the french labor reform I mentioned a couple time, third use by the prime minister of the 49.3 procedure to force it through without debate.

Democracy !
 :tauntaun
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Rufus on July 20, 2016, 12:23:58 PM
http://qz.com/736291/watch-john-kerry-try-not-to-smile-as-his-press-corps-rips-into-boris-johnson/

:betty
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: VomKriege on July 20, 2016, 12:37:15 PM
Quote from: Rufus on July 20, 2016, 12:23:58 PM
http://qz.com/736291/watch-john-kerry-try-not-to-smile-as-his-press-corps-rips-into-boris-johnson/

:betty

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Johnson: Such a rich thesaurus of things I've said… take me too long to engage in a full global itinerary of apology

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: benjipwns on July 22, 2016, 11:00:44 AM
http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/some-conspiracists-think-theresa-may-and-angela-merkel-are-in-the-illuminati-because-of-a-hand-gesture--WJPfhk5mLb
(http://indy100.independent.co.uk/image/17300-1uak4r8.JPG)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Rufus on July 22, 2016, 11:10:00 AM
The gesure has its own Wikipedia entry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkel-Raute
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: VomKriege on July 22, 2016, 03:37:29 PM
Munchen now, fucking hell.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Rufus on July 22, 2016, 03:47:30 PM
Six dead so far. Allegedly three shooters with rifles, who are still at large. Nothing else known yet.

Some people seem almost giddy that something's finally happened in Germany. :beli

Police have just asked people to stop speculating on social media. Presumably to keep the number of rumours floating around manageable.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: brob on July 22, 2016, 04:15:49 PM
hmu when u wanna get gaymarried for the asylum rufus  i got u

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Rufus on July 22, 2016, 04:22:19 PM
B-brob-kun...
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: VomKriege on July 22, 2016, 04:27:05 PM
Quote from: Rufus on July 22, 2016, 03:47:30 PM
Six dead so far. Allegedly three shooters with rifles, who are still at large. Nothing else known yet.

Some people seem almost giddy that something's finally happened in Germany. :beli

Police have just asked people to stop speculating on social media. Presumably to keep the number of rumours floating around manageable.

Hopeful that the casualties will stay that low (that's terrible but the standard have gone drastically up). The whole schadenfreude thing is a bit counfounding, I would hope it's obvious to everyone that all Europe, and particulary Western Europe, is together in this (whether Islamic terror or far right epidemia, which are the two main possibilities as far as political motivations go this day).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: VomKriege on July 22, 2016, 08:41:26 PM
Munich police cautiously optimistic that there was a single gunman and he offed himself a few way away from the mall. Seems more consistent with the level of harm inflicted, early reports of several shooters brought back memories of the terrible carnage in Mumbai. If true, I guess the investigation will soon give us the identity of the killer and his potential motives.

Speaking of which, credit where it is due, some elements about the Nice truck killer seems to indicate he had some accomplices (a man was with him in the truck two days prior, apparently scouting the target area, the killer asked by mobile phone someone for more guns), may have plotted for a long time (photos on his phone of last year's July 14th and August 15th fireworks in Nice) and maybe a thin veneer of vague islamist ramblings.

Whatever ends up being the profile of the Munich shooter(s), one can't help but feel that a form of disinhibition towards mass killings has happened somewhat recently in Europe. Terrorism always was a thing, did sometimes reach such heights in Western Europe (Bologna rail station bombing come to mind) and there was cases which were apparently unpoliticized (The mysterious "Brabant Killers" of the 80's) but it seems nowadays that every nutcase can be emboldened to mass murder at the level or even beyond the most prominent action of the pasts, with looser helps and goals than before. Anarchists did prove as destructive in a number of cases, but they mostly seemed to obey to some form of target selection.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 22, 2016, 09:35:33 PM
All things considered this has been one of the most stable periods in recorded European history.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Rufus on July 23, 2016, 06:04:15 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on July 22, 2016, 08:41:26 PM
Munich police cautiously optimistic that there was a single gunman and he offed himself a few way away from the mall. Seems more consistent with the level of harm inflicted, early reports of several shooters brought back memories of the terrible carnage in Mumbai. If true, I guess the investigation will soon give us the identity of the killer and his potential motives.
18-year-old Iranian-German, who acted alone by all indications. No terrorist motive, only a mentally unstable guy with a pistol. The stuff about three people with rifles turned out to be rubbish. People were probably cofusing plain-clothes police rushing to the scene with accomplices. 10 dead, inlcuding the killer (suicide, but may have been shot at by said plain-clothes officers as well). Could have been much worse.

There's a video of him on a roof, just before he started shooting (?) after he shot up the fast food place. He's arguing with locals (who are throwing abuse at him, some of which racist), ranting somewhat incoherently about his past and "people like (them) bullying (him) for 7 years". He also says that he had been in treatment.
Almost looks like he could have been talked down, but that's very easy to believe after the fact.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 24, 2016, 08:10:46 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/24/world/ansbach-germany-blast/index.html

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(CNN)An explosion occurred in Ansbach, Germany, Sunday evening, according to German media. At least one person is dead and as many as 10 others are wounded, German media is reporting.

Developing story - more to come

Edit: Apparently it may have been accidentally detonated so it could have been much worse :-\
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Rufus on July 24, 2016, 09:14:59 PM
Looks like he was on his way to the Ansbach Open festival. It's fortunate that he didn't get to kill anyone but himself.

edit: He couldn't get into the festival, because he didn't buy a ticket. For once, praise be to stupidity. Also, he's tried to kill himself twice and was in treatment because of it. Guess he wanted his death to mean something this time. Well, good riddance.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: VomKriege on July 25, 2016, 02:39:59 AM
They also fucked Kaboul in the meantime, because reasons Shia something something not believing the one true way something something.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 31, 2016, 05:10:55 PM
Yet another socialist success story: http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/29/news/economy/venezuela-decree-farm-labor/

Venezuela's new decree: Forced farm work for citizens

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Venezuela once had a robust agricultural sector. But under its socialist regime, which began with Hugo Chavez in 1999, the oil-rich country started importing more food and invested less in agriculture. Nearly all of Venezuela's revenue from exports comes from oil.

Chavez was always a fuckup and a failure who just benefited from the rising oil prices in the 2000s.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Broseidon on July 31, 2016, 09:28:05 PM
Saw Venezuela referred to as "Ayn Rand antagonist socialism" the other day and it's pretty spot on  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: fizzel on August 01, 2016, 07:52:38 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChfaGwgUgAAH7pn.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 10, 2016, 11:19:20 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/08/09/an-entire-generation-of-a-citys-lawyers-was-killed-in-pakistan/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Rufus on August 14, 2016, 03:53:41 AM
This fits much better in here:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/08/court-us-seizure-of-kim-dotcoms-millions-and-4-jet-skis-will-stand/

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In the US civil forfeiture case, which was brought 18 months after the initial criminal charges brought against Dotcom and Megaupload, prosecutors outlined why the New Zealand seizure of Dotcom’s assets on behalf of the American government was valid. Seized items include millions of dollars in various seized bank accounts in Hong Kong and New Zealand, multiple cars, four jet skis, the Dotcom mansion, several luxury cars, two 108-inch TVs, three 82-inch TVs, a $10,000 watch, and a photograph by Olaf Mueller worth over $100,000.

...

In its court filings, prosecutors argued that because Dotcom had not appeared to face the charges against him in the United States, he is therefore susceptible to “fugitive disentitlement.”

Did they just export civil forfeiture?  :lol :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 14, 2016, 01:25:32 PM
wtf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 19, 2016, 01:35:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i4NsZ0X3tk

business might like this
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: T-Short on August 24, 2016, 03:55:51 AM
https://twitter.com/afuahirsch/status/768229097931702272 (https://twitter.com/afuahirsch/status/768229097931702272)

Of course the tone of this tweet is a bit provocative, but this dictate from France is definitely #problematic if the purpose is to get rid of terrorism
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 24, 2016, 04:04:39 AM
Banning burkinis is so fucking stupid and demeaning, it should be your goddamn right to dress how you want to dress, every woman is free in France and can't be forced to do it anyway, but now the government mandates how you can dress? At least you can leave and divorce your man if he is an ass and tries to force you to dress this way but you can't divorce your government.

Covering the face might be problematic for security reasons, but this is just reactionary shit.

Really sad these kind of laws are passing in Europe.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Rufus on August 24, 2016, 04:34:29 AM
Can't marginalize Muslims directly, so they ban one of the most conspicuous aspects instead. It is sad, but they have the public's backing for this right now.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 24, 2016, 05:13:19 AM
The arguments for this are so weak too when I look at user comments on the Guardian for example

"men should were them too if the female does" "culture of opression"

No one stops to think our western values do exactly the same but opposite where the women are showing off their body in ads and everywhere selling sex to men. Or women wear thongs on the beach but men wear shorts.

Maybe we should force men to wear thongs too then. Or how about we forbid women to diet, as clearly it s a sign of oppression. Too. If a woman on the beach is too skinny the police should ask her to eat a burger so that she is not oppressed by society.

OR MAYBE WE CAN FUCKING GET ALONG AND TALK ABOUT THINGS INSTEAD

Quote from: Rufus on August 24, 2016, 04:34:29 AM
Can't marginalize Muslims directly, so they ban one of the most conspicuous aspects instead. It is sad, but they have the public's backing for this right now.

I'd say this is pretty direct and thinly veiled as progressive

because how can banning some clothes really be progressive
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Fifstar on August 24, 2016, 08:06:09 AM
Really sad - those girls would and will be sitting at home instead of participating in swimming classes or meeting other youths.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: fizzel on August 24, 2016, 09:50:11 AM
Witnessing collateral damage from a clash of civilisations, and its only gonna get worse.

Quote from: Premium Lager on August 24, 2016, 04:04:39 AM
Banning burkinis is so fucking stupid and demeaning, it should be your goddamn right to dress how you want to dress, every woman is free in France and can't be forced to do it anyway, but now the government mandates how you can dress? At least you can leave and divorce your man if he is an ass and tries to force you to dress this way but you can't divorce your government.

Covering the face might be problematic for security reasons, but this is just reactionary shit.

Really sad these kind of laws are passing in Europe.

Honour killings, acid attacks, FGM and forced marriage. Millions of women are trapped by the bearded fucks.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Rufus on August 24, 2016, 09:52:14 AM
Which is one of the reasons I'd rather pull them in than push them out, regardless of dress. Don't want muslim women running back to their communities when that's what they're faced with.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 24, 2016, 09:57:26 AM
Clearly a fashion item is a slippery slope to an acid attack or an honour killing

Like a girl in a bikini is basically asking for rape

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: chronovore on August 25, 2016, 03:24:11 AM
Quote from: Rufus on August 24, 2016, 04:34:29 AM
Can't marginalize Muslims directly, so they ban one of the most conspicuous aspects instead. It is sad, but they have the public's backing for this right now.
Yeah, it's a coward's method, and it's sad that the mob will rally behind this kind of fear-driven logic.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Kara on August 25, 2016, 03:42:03 AM
Big ups to Western societies for using the last decade or so to remind us all that they are 100% full of fucking shit wrt individual freedom (not relating to the accumulation of capital).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 25, 2016, 03:57:06 AM
To be fair individual freedom was never a real thing in Europe, any kind of freedom given to people here has always been after a bloody mess (1792, 1918, 1945) , or to prevent a bloody mess (1848, 1990) and usually involved maintaining the status quo in the end as much as possible.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Rufus on August 25, 2016, 08:26:12 AM
https://twitter.com/JulesDrmnn/status/768455562073772032

If your French is as worthless as mine, the president of the region where those pictures where taken is threatening lawsuits against people disseminating those photographs on social media. Because it's endangering those officers.

Empowering racists is presumably fine, though.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: VomKriege on August 25, 2016, 09:04:52 AM
Those Burkinis debates are bullshit top to bottom, it's a miniscule problem being blown out of proportion, without too much surprise on the south east coast where the far right is doing well and the "republican" right is pretty extreme itself. My own opinion is that infringing of the law upon those matters should be kept at a minimum and that beaches do not fall under the same categories as public schools or administrations (where some rules can be enforced in the name of secularity). Don't know how it is in other countries but France is being burdened under law after law adressing too specific issues or piled up on top of already existing legislation.

Another current example of agitation passing for political action is the new measures for preventing attacks on schools which runs the gamut from common sense (increased security presence) to borderline cuckoo (a specific alarm sound inside the school for attacks  ??? ).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: fizzel on August 25, 2016, 03:17:25 PM
Quote from: Rufus on August 24, 2016, 09:52:14 AM
Which is one of the reasons I'd rather pull them in than push them out, regardless of dress. Don't want muslim women running back to their communities when that's what they're faced with.

Agree complete, these women aren't the problem. They're being forced to wear that shit, and now being forced to take it off. It's distinguished mentally-challenged.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Coup in Turkey
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 25, 2016, 03:41:17 PM
Quote from: Kara on August 25, 2016, 03:42:03 AM
Big ups to Western societies for using the last decade or so to remind us all that they are 100% full of fucking shit wrt individual freedom (not relating to the accumulation of capital).

Trust other people states.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on August 26, 2016, 06:01:44 PM
A "Burkini ban" was invalidated in the highest administrative court in France, so all current municipal bans could be challenged soon. Argument is that it infringes too much on fundamental freedoms.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: CatsCatsCats on August 26, 2016, 06:05:01 PM
Because it's fucking stupid and the optics of armed police telling a woman to take her clothes off aren't great
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on August 26, 2016, 08:02:16 PM
Sarkozy (which is SPOILER ALERT now a candidate for the next election) is riding hard on the subject. We can unfortunately expect it to continue grabbing headlines in the near future.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Momo on September 01, 2016, 01:53:11 AM
Kinda politics

https://www.facebook.com/UniJustKidding/videos/vb.520995971308707/1142565662485065/?type=2&theater

This fucking woman.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 01, 2016, 02:09:12 AM
Don't have a facebook account, maybe a public link?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on September 01, 2016, 04:09:42 AM
The results of the presidential election in Gabon are in at last, and sitting president Ali Bongo -son of the late Omar Bongo who held office for 42 consecutive years- won the single-round election (by a few thousand votes, 49,80% against 48,23% - participation rate 59,46%) despite his opponent Jean Ping managing to create a large coalition front with the other opposition figures.

The final counting took 4 days to be announced by the electoral commission, that only gave the numbers at the region level : In the Haut-Ogooué district, voters turnout was over 99% and Bongo won around 95% of the votes.
 :doge

Cue riots, especially in the second largest city Port-Gentil, the national assembly being partially burnt, and the army in the streets if not outright attacking Mr Ping headquarters with sadly already a handful of casualties. Situation is pretty tense, the EU (including France) & USA are demanding for all results at the booth level to be made public (denied by the electoral commission on pretext of the law down there) and expatriates are advised to stay indoors at the moment.

Opposition leader Jean Ping is a 72 years old high level diplomat who studied in Paris, the son of a Gabonese mother and a Chinese father (brought here probably through a French colonial emigration program), former State Minister of Bongo Sr. for over 15 years and also former companion of the oldest sister of Ali, Pascaline Bongo. So it's more a whisper than a wind of potential change...

Gabon is a small country on the west coast of the continent, below Cameroon, and for long (and still, a few hundred French soldiers are still stationed permanently near the presidential palace) the shining example of "Françafrique" post-colonialism* with French public and private interests having shares in the oil, the maritime transit and the uranium.  It's mineral rich for a small population, so in theory and average Gabonese are somewhat a bit more well off than most of Africa. The Bongo clan has a tight grip over power but I guess you could say that in this domain too Gabon is slighty better off than some of its neighbors : they are far from the bloodliest leaders  :-\ .

* A famous quote by Omar Bongo, pictured below : "Africa without France is like a car without a driver... France without Africa is a car without gas."
A true Friend of France™, Omar always made sure to ship very generous contributions to French presidential candidates...

(http://i.imgur.com/fWyM9Tj.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Rufus on September 01, 2016, 04:37:38 AM
1.5 million in a country that's roughly the size of Poland. Whew.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on September 01, 2016, 04:44:17 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on September 01, 2016, 04:09:42 AM
The Bongo clan has a tight grip over power but I guess you could say that in this domain too Gabon is slighty better off than some of its neighbors : they are far from the bloodliest leaders  :-\ .
The neighbor directly to the north has always been a personal favorite in this regard.

Belarus goes to the polls on the 11th to elect their House of Representatives. True Democracy continues under Papa Lukashenko hopefully, currently 105 of the 110 seats are controlled by his supporters. Also, the legislature can't pass any laws without his permission.

Then a week later is democracy in Russia!

AND THEN A WEEK AFTER THAT an election is being forced on Somalia to elect a Parliament. The first "free" elections since 1969. (Technically there were some inbetween but it was a one-party state so they were true elections unlike the liberal sham to come.)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on September 01, 2016, 04:48:37 AM
Quote from: Rufus on September 01, 2016, 04:37:38 AM
1.5 million in a country that's roughly the size of Poland. Whew.

Yeah "small" by current standards in Africa.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 01, 2016, 05:05:03 AM
Africa is such a fucking mess.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Rufus on September 01, 2016, 05:07:31 AM
They'll get there. Eventually.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 01, 2016, 05:08:48 AM
I hope so, but it won't be soon.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Momo on September 01, 2016, 11:46:21 AM
Quote from: Premium Lager on September 01, 2016, 02:09:12 AM
Don't have a facebook account, maybe a public link?
neither do i, but it worked for me :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on September 02, 2016, 11:53:39 AM
stop lying that the Soviets invaded Poland guys (http://khpg.org/en/index.php?id=1472775460)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 02, 2016, 12:13:31 PM
well that's embarrassing. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on September 02, 2016, 03:13:04 PM
Gotta admire how Soviets bargained for all it was worth their participation in the Nuremberg trials.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 03, 2016, 02:15:08 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 02, 2016, 11:53:39 AM
stop lying that the Soviets invaded Poland guys (http://khpg.org/en/index.php?id=1472775460)

 :lol

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on September 03, 2016, 03:49:51 AM
Also textbook example of why History shouldn't be left to courts and the problem with laws against negationism.

EDIT :

Gabon is still locked, as both candidates still claim fraud from the other and to have won.

http://www.lemonde.fr/afrique/article/2016/09/02/gabon-a-quel-jeu-joue-la-france_4991307_3212.html

Article in French, obviously, so the bullet points :

- "Everybody cheated but Jean Ping has obviously won" according to anonymous French sources.
- Official stance from France is that election results by booth should be publicized. Which in a way indicates France is not endorsing Ali Bongo : France was silent last election in Gabon and more recently in Tchad and Congo-Brazzaville, all of which were as sketchy as this one. Other statements and recent events attest that the French establishment (at least the Socialist Party) wouldn't mind an alternance.
- The 450 strong permanent french garrison in Libreville received orders from Paris to stay in their barracks.

The article ends with a quote that boils down to :
"Gabonese people still think everything is decided in Paris but those days are over really"

Those statements always sounds weird to me. Each French president in my life basically took office perpetuating the running joke that "Françafrique" was now a thing of the past but while things might be more hands off or indirect, France still very much have the soft & hard means to prop up any government in the Ivory Coast - Tchad - Gabon crescent. It's exactly what was done with Ouattara. If Bongo can't shut that thing down quickly it will be to his detriment...

Oh well. Bongo is a true friend of France. Ping will also be a true friend of France should he ascend to power. The enemy of my friend is my friend too. Most Francophone african elites don't sound very eager to end that state of affairs, to be fair. Better the white devil you know, especially if he has good food and accomodation ?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on September 03, 2016, 04:58:02 AM
Speaking of french-speaking Africa, two recent blog posts from an US anthropologist living in Bamako, Mali.

Is Mali heading back into the abyss ? (https://bridgesfrombamako.com/2016/07/31/is-mali-heading-back-to-the-abyss/)

An analysis of the French military intervention (https://bridgesfrombamako.com/2016/06/01/getting-a-read-on-serval/)

The second link is fairly interesting in trying to piece up the motives (though it doesn't mention that while Mali itself is mineral poor; neighboring Niger provides a third of the French uranium for our very extensive network of nuclear power plants. So called electricity "self sufficiency" is a major cornerstone of the domestic strategy) and provide an accurate depiction of the current state of the French army : still one of the largest force projection force currently existing yet mired with systemic issues. "Hegemony on a shoestring" is a great encapsulation.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 05, 2016, 08:25:25 AM
Merkel's CDU got BTFO in her own home state, coming in third behind SPD and AFD: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37274222
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Rufus on September 05, 2016, 11:30:03 AM
"Is Germany's AfD racist?"

:lol

Yes, yes they are.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 05, 2016, 09:36:52 PM
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“I am a president of a sovereign state, and we have long ceased to be a colony,” Mr. Duterte told reporters before he left his country for Laos, where he and Mr. Obama will attend the meeting of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations.

“I do not have any master except the Filipino people, nobody but nobody,” he said in remarks published by The Associated Press. Apparently addressing Mr. Obama, he added: “You must be respectful. Do not just throw questions.” Then, using a curse in Tagalog that can be translated as “son of a bitch,” he added, “I will swear at you in that forum.”

Yikes

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/06/world/asia/philippines-president-rodrigo-duterte-warns-obama-not-to-ask-about-killings.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: chronovore on September 06, 2016, 12:16:59 AM
Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on September 05, 2016, 09:36:52 PM
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“I am a president of a sovereign state, and we have long ceased to be a colony,” Mr. Duterte told reporters before he left his country for Laos, where he and Mr. Obama will attend the meeting of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations.

“I do not have any master except the Filipino people, nobody but nobody,” he said in remarks published by The Associated Press. Apparently addressing Mr. Obama, he added: “You must be respectful. Do not just throw questions.” Then, using a curse in Tagalog that can be translated as “son of a bitch,” he added, “I will swear at you in that forum.”

Yikes

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/06/world/asia/philippines-president-rodrigo-duterte-warns-obama-not-to-ask-about-killings.html

http://www.smalldogplace.com/small-dog-syndrome.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: T-Short on September 06, 2016, 04:13:28 AM
Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on September 05, 2016, 09:36:52 PM
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“I am a president of a sovereign state, and we have long ceased to be a colony,” Mr. Duterte told reporters before he left his country for Laos, where he and Mr. Obama will attend the meeting of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations.

“I do not have any master except the Filipino people, nobody but nobody,” he said in remarks published by The Associated Press. Apparently addressing Mr. Obama, he added: “You must be respectful. Do not just throw questions.” Then, using a curse in Tagalog that can be translated as “son of a bitch,” he added, “I will swear at you in that forum.”

Yikes

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/06/world/asia/philippines-president-rodrigo-duterte-warns-obama-not-to-ask-about-killings.html

Obama lecturing people on extra-judicial killings :smug
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Samson Manhug on September 09, 2016, 11:27:43 AM
Seeing a tone shift recently on Russia's intervention in Syria, nearly universally described as a decisive victory just a few months ago:

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Second, the regime’s biggest problem seems to be manpower. Hard numbers are nearly impossible to come by, but anecdotal reports and battle footage indicate the number of fighters involved in any battle at one time is low, regardless of its importance. The Aleppo siege was broken by no more than 4,000 fighters, according to my conversations with members of the opposition. Opposition sources report that the assault in Hama province reportedly involves no more than 2,500 insurgents, facing regime forces in the low thousands despite the province’s strategic value. Footage of some of the regime’s defenses, and confirmed reports that regime is redeploying troops from the already imperiled Aleppo front to Hama, indicate the regime lacks troops to hold two critical fronts at once.

http://warontherocks.com/2016/09/what-i-got-wrong-about-assads-military-prospects/

And from a piece from a retired Russian officer writing in a Kremlin-sponsored publication:

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The actual fighting against opposition groups is mostly done by Syrian militias, the Lebanese Hezbollah Shia units, Iranian and Iraqi volunteers and Private Military Companies (PMCs).

The main military actions Assad’s army engages in is extorting a tribute from the locals. The Syrian armed forces have not conducted a single successful offensive during the past year.

Apparently Syria’s General Staff has no coherent short-term or mid-term strategic plans. Assad’s generals do not believe their troops can bring the country to order without military aid from foreign states. They do not plan large-scale operations, giving the reasoning of ostensibly high combat capabilities of the illegal armed groups, lack of ammunition and modern equipment, a fear of heavy losses and a negative outcome of the fighting.

The Syrian army’s junior officers, NCOs and privates have little enthusiasm to charge and fight for their motherland. The general morale deterioration is exacerbated by the fact that the history of the modern Syrian army has known no military victories.

Assad’s army bears the brand of constant defeats and humiliations since the first Arab-Israeli wars of 1947-1948.

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It is impossible to win the war with such an ally as Assad’s army

https://citeam.org/here-s-why-assad-s-army-can-t-win-the-war-in-syria/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on September 09, 2016, 12:23:55 PM
There was a couple of articles on War on the Rocks recently about how the "Syria regular army" has basically devolved into a collection of paid mercenaries & militia outfits ruled by local nomanklatura bigwigs and businessmen (Here (http://warontherocks.com/2016/08/the-decay-of-the-syrian-regime-is-much-worse-than-you-think/)) that entered in force into Parliament last election to the detriment to the regime loyal party members.

It stands to reason that the Russian intervention would face the same issues and shortcomings than all of Western efforts. Foreign expeditions are what they are.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Samson Manhug on September 10, 2016, 12:11:14 PM
My hot take on the Syria deal as inspired by my post here yesterday:

https://insurgentsia.com/2016/09/09/russia-u-s-reach-agreement-as-syrian-forces-falter/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on September 12, 2016, 04:04:25 PM
Syria Cease-Fire Is Violated After Less Than an Hour (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/13/world/middleeast/hours-before-cease-fire-assad-vows-to-recover-every-area-in-syria.html?_r=0)
 :idont
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Rufus on September 15, 2016, 03:04:21 PM
Oh my, a very small peek into the French security apparatus
http://boingboing.net/2016/09/15/french-spy-boss-admits-france.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on September 15, 2016, 03:14:11 PM
DGSE is not the answer to NSA.  >:(

Otherwise  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Rufus on September 15, 2016, 03:16:25 PM
The Schneier links proves most amusing:
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I continue to find it amusing the number of countries that have come forward over the years with some version of the following:

(a) Snowden is a traitor to his country. :-(
(b) Thank God for American traitors! :-)))
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on September 19, 2016, 05:56:16 PM
Democracy wins in Russia:
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With 93% of the votes counted, the party has secured 54.2% of ballots and 343 seats in the 450-member parliament, officials say.

Mr Putin said his party had "achieved a very good result", however the turnout was a record low of 47.8%.

The Communist Party and nationalist LDPR both secured just over 13%.

The party A Just Russia gained just over 6% of the votes. All four parties are loyal to Mr Putin and dominated the last parliament, or State Duma.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Syph on September 19, 2016, 08:02:54 PM
lol russia
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: toku on October 02, 2016, 02:50:24 PM
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/10/02/may-speech-makes-it-clear-we-re-leaving-the-single-market

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Britain will be trying to secure a trade deal, which usually takes about seven years, in a two year timetable. Given that it is a trade deal she will clearly be negotiating, it won’t be decided by majority, but by each member state. In some it may even require a referendum. In places like Belgium, it’ll require the agreement of local government in addition to national government. Basically, even if by some miracle she could negotiate the deal in time, she has no chance of ratifying it.

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Instead, May bafflingly gave a date upon which to start negotiations. She announced it, in an offhand way, while speaking on the Andrew Marr programme this morning. She did so so flippantly that one wonders whether she even realised it gave her leverage.

Afterwards, she  asked Europe for preliminary talks. This is how Donald Tusk responded: “Once Art. 50's triggered, EU27 will engage to safeguard its interests.”

It was a clear no, followed by a robust statement of self-interest. It is a preview of the type of treatment she can expect once she goes to Brussels.

When the talks begin, she will discover that Europe does not even need to debate trade with us. The vague wording of Article 50 means it’s up to them. They can make it all about administrative divorce proceedings if they like. They now have all the cards.

The lunatics at the Tory conference applauded all of this. They cheered the Union, even as May announced the greatest strain she could possibly impose on it. They cheered when a speaker mentioned Gibraltar, even though it was now at risk like never before. They cheered dreams of British economic greatness, which are now in jeopardy precisely because of the policy they were jubilant about

 :doge

Bonus:
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/782633174035787776
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on October 02, 2016, 07:53:17 PM
Colombia is not accepting by referendum the peace deal negociated by FARC according to the earliest exit polls...
Another failed referendum : In Hungary, Prime Minister Orban tried to get a majority approval against the refugee relocations proposed by the EU, but despite 95% of approval for Orban, the vote is void because only 45% of the whole voting population participated (opposition called for a boycott).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Boogie on October 02, 2016, 08:06:13 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on October 02, 2016, 07:53:17 PM
Colombia is not accepting by referendum the peace deal negociated by FARC according to the earliest exit polls...


gawdammit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Kara on October 03, 2016, 11:02:03 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on October 02, 2016, 07:53:17 PM
Colombia is not accepting by referendum the peace deal negociated by FARC according to the earliest exit polls...

Time to get paid. :money
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Raist on October 04, 2016, 03:56:41 AM
May's speech at the Tory convention.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EddGOL3xi8s


"Those people who argue that art. 50 can only be triggered after agreement in both houses of parliament are not standing up for democracy, they're trying to subvert it"

So, you're saying that your legislative system is undemocratic? :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on October 04, 2016, 04:05:21 AM
From what I understand, the Hungarian referendum failed because a large part of the opposition wants to go even farther on restricting refugees quotas.

So... yeah.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on October 04, 2016, 10:34:27 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/05/world/americas/colombia-brexit-referendum-farc-cameron-santos.html
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National referendums can also be extremely volatile, driven by factors unrelated to the issue’s merits and outside anyone’s control.

Opinion polls are often misleading because people do not form their opinions until immediately before the vote. Tellingly, they often abandon those views just as quickly.

Professor Marsh of Trinity College Dublin said he had found, in some cases, that “most people can’t remember any arguments for — this is about a week later — they can’t remember any arguments against, and they’re not really quite sure why they voted yes or no.”

He added, “That doesn’t inspire me, really, with referendums.”

The ambient noise of politics can also distort popular will: Whether one party is up or down in the polls, whether intraparty infighting over the vote spills into public, and how the news media portrays related issues all play a role.

Votes are also subject to random factors, including the weather. In Colombia, turnout for the referendum may have been depressed by a hurricane that hit the day before, forcing evacuations in some areas.
oh okay
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 04, 2016, 10:50:38 PM
Sometimes people vote and then something bad happens.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on October 05, 2016, 12:34:39 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 04, 2016, 10:34:27 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/05/world/americas/colombia-brexit-referendum-farc-cameron-santos.html

That's a weird article

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Voters must make their decisions with relatively little information, forcing them to rely on political messaging — which puts power in the hands of political elites rather than those of voters.

And defering to a professional class of career policians don't ?

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“This is a tool that’s risky, but politicians keep using it because they think that they’ll win,” said Alexandra Cirone, a fellow at the London School of Economics. But often they do not win, and instead of resolving political problems, the referendums create new ones.

:derp

That reads as a very entry level discussion about why referendums can be bad. It's not wrong either really, though it is (willingly or not) fairly patronizing to citizens (I'm sure Colombian voters don't have a real opinion on their own that will last beyond the week about a decades-long civil war with dozens of thousands victims that upturned the whole country), but most of the observations in the article can be applied to almost any election.

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“The idea that somehow any decision reached anytime by majority rule is necessarily ‘democratic’ is a perversion of the term,” Kenneth Rogoff, an economics professor at Harvard, wrote after Britain’s vote to leave the European Union.

If only we had slaves to perfectly emulate the democracy of our Greek forefathers !
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 05, 2016, 02:17:13 PM
"Every nation has the government it deserves."
~Taylor Swift
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2016, 02:21:49 PM
Quote from: http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/04/asia/philippines-duterte-us-breakup/
Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte's vitriol against the United States took another caustic turn Tuesday, when he threatened to "break up" with the US and said President Barack Obama can "go to hell."

 :idont
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Samson Manhug on October 05, 2016, 07:01:08 PM
Direct democracy is great until you’re on the wrong side of it. Then it’s time to start disenfranchising people. It is known.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 05, 2016, 07:22:27 PM
Direct democracy is never great.  The masses need to be ruled.  I miss imperialism.  Those were the days. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: toku on October 07, 2016, 06:48:47 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/07/lse-brexit-non-uk-experts-foreign-academics

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Leading foreign academics acting as expert advisers to the UK government have been told they will not be asked to contribute to any government analysis and reports on Brexit because they are not British nationals.

“It is utterly baffling that the government is turning down expert, independent advice on Brexit simply because someone is from another country,” said Nick Clegg, the Liberal Democrats’ EU spokesman. “This is yet more evidence of the Conservatives’ alarming embrace of petty chauvinism over rational policymaking.” (...)

The Foreign Office was said to be concerned about the risk of sensitive material being exposed as article 50 negotiations over Britain’s exit from the EU, and subsequent talks on its future trade and other relations with the bloc, got under way.

But Steve Peers, a professor of EU law at the University of Essex who has advised the government, said it should be “perfectly possible to get useful input from some of the best-qualified people in the country” without anything sensitive being revealed. “I don’t really get the security or sensitivity argument,” he said. “Whatever the reasons, this will come across as hostile, narrow and xenophobic.” He tweeted: UK govt previously sought work& advice from best experts. Just told I & many colleagues no longer qualify as not UKcitizens #Brexit @LSEnews


:doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Rufus on October 07, 2016, 07:48:56 PM
Of course a true Brit wouldn't ever think to pass something on. ::)

Can't even doubt the given reason, since I have no idea what else they could hope to accomplish with this.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on October 08, 2016, 05:05:18 AM
Estonia claims Russia is moving nuclear capable Iskander M missiles in their Kaliningrad enclave base.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Raist on October 08, 2016, 08:24:25 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37586587


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British expats living in the EU are suing European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker over his order to prevent informal Brexit discussions.

 :lol :lol :lol

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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: toku on October 08, 2016, 01:10:25 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on October 08, 2016, 05:05:18 AM
Estonia claims Russia is moving nuclear capable Iskander M missiles in their Kaliningrad enclave base.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/07/russia-moving-nuclear-capable-missiles-into-kaliningrad-says-estonia
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Raist on October 09, 2016, 09:35:43 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/09/businesses-will-not-be-named-and-shamed-for-employing-foreign-wo/

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She said: "This is not data that will be published. There will be absolutely no naming and shaming. This is about informing policy so that we understand which areas and part of the country there are skills shortages evidenced by the fact that employers are not taking local workers as much as they might do. It then enables really to tailor policy in those areas so we can respond to that."

Coming from a government that is happily doing its best to further tank an already shitty education system, I have trouble believing this.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on October 10, 2016, 08:35:05 AM
Britain is really going deep in that rabbit hole, isn't she ? Didn't expect those sort of questions being given any sort of credence (apart from the obvious administrative issues linked to the exit) and moreover adressed that way.
We're probably following suit in a few years on the other side of the Channel though. :doge Fier comme un coq et les pieds dans la merde.

While Farrage is doing his jubilee tour opening for Trump as the International Jewry Globalist NWO Dragon Slayer in the US, UKIP is doing great :

http://www.wsj.com/articles/ukip-lawmakers-face-probe-after-altercation-1475837512

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37561065
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 10, 2016, 08:42:41 AM
Let all the brits stay I say, but they have to pass language tests of the countries they reside in and renounce their British nationality.

Living in Spain but don't speak Spanish on high school level? Adios!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on October 10, 2016, 08:46:28 AM
I also hope we can hope moderate Britishmen to report and denounce loudly in the media the actions of their more radical elements, for instance when hooligans fuck shit up in an European city.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 10, 2016, 02:37:06 PM
Well today I found out there are only 3.3 million muslims in the usa, versus 19 million in the european union.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 10, 2016, 03:14:39 PM
Quote from: Premium Lager on October 10, 2016, 02:37:06 PM
Well today I found out there are only 3.3 million muslims in the usa, versus 19 million in the european union.


:american
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 10, 2016, 03:18:17 PM
3.2 million black men in bowties

 :american
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Raist on October 10, 2016, 03:54:06 PM
Quote from: Premium Lager on October 10, 2016, 08:42:41 AM
Let all the brits stay I say, but they have to pass language tests of the countries they reside in and renounce their British nationality.

Living in Spain but don't speak Spanish on high school level? Adios!

Well that'd be 99% of them back to England then.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 10, 2016, 07:12:44 PM
France (6 million) and Germany (5 million) make up more than half that total. The UK* and native Bosniaks add 1.5 million each. Wikipedia has shit demographic information for Spain but I feel pretty safe spotting Iberia for an additional couple hundred thousand of that total. so that's roughly 4.5 million for the entire rest of the eu

*:doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 11, 2016, 02:30:56 AM
So whats your point?

10% of the population here in Copenhagen is muslim
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on October 11, 2016, 03:38:51 AM
The Lithuanian Greens became the second largest party in their parliament after the first round (PR vote) after having no PR seats. (Greens had one constituency seat.) The lead party and in-government Social Democrats fell to third. The former second party Labour (which is more sorta mushy centrist than the name implies) also got decimated and left with no seats after this round. Looks like maybe people abandoned Labour and in part the Social Democrats for the Greens.

The second round (the other half of their seats are constituencies) is on the 23rd. Based on the 2012 election the differences between the first round and second round in terms of the order were not too major, though looking back the second-round seems to favor the largest "right" and "left" parties with a boost but otherwise distributes seats close to the first round. I imagine knowing what half the parliament looks like going in leads to more strategic second round voting for making up a coalition.

The PR% from 2012 -> 2016 (70 total seats):
Homeland Union (main conservative/christian democrat party): 15.1% -> 21.7% (+7 seats)
Peasant and Greens Union: 3.9% ->  21.6% (+19 seats)
Social Democrats: 18.4% -> 14.4% (-2 seats)
Labour Party: 19.8% -> 4.7% (-17 seats)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on October 11, 2016, 05:56:59 AM
Quote from: Premium Lager on October 11, 2016, 02:30:56 AM
So whats your point?

10% of the population here in Copenhagen is muslim

I think the point is that speaking of the EU (or Europe) in that context is not the most useful. Former colonial powers, economic powerhouses and/or countries with a Med coast probably accounts for most of muslim population (home citizens + immigrations) and, I would guess, immigrants in general. And to your latest remark, the same is also probably true within countries with capitals and major cities being the most diverse.

For France, the recent poll by IFOP estimate that there's a little under 4m muslims in France, including 3m French citizens.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Rufus on October 11, 2016, 06:38:40 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/07/theresa-may-is-following-enoch-powell--by-actually-listening-to/

Evoking Enoch Powell :ryker
The shoe fits, but it's strange to see it put so plainly.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 11, 2016, 10:58:44 AM
Quote from: Premium Lager on October 11, 2016, 02:30:56 AM
So whats your point?
that using the eu as your yardstick elides the distribution of the population you're looking at. You could come up with a similar number from just including western Europe 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on October 11, 2016, 11:10:21 AM
Quote from: Rufus on October 11, 2016, 06:38:40 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/07/theresa-may-is-following-enoch-powell--by-actually-listening-to/

Envoking Enoch Powell :ryker
The shoe fits, but it's strange to see it put so plainly.

Not every aspect of her conference speech was so admirable, though. If she is seriously thinking of pursuing a sub-Keynesian approach to the economy, with state intervention in the private sector, she should think again before the markets force her to do so. In the post-Brexit world she is commendably determined to bring about, interfering with a free-market approach in business and imposing regulation will be the easiest way to shoot our new economic and trading arrangements in the foot. There are certainly abuses of remuneration in some companies, but it is the shareholders’ job, and not the state’s, to sort that out.

Reclaim your sovereignty to not use it in the economy !  :ussrcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 11, 2016, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on October 11, 2016, 10:58:44 AM
Quote from: Premium Lager on October 11, 2016, 02:30:56 AM
So whats your point?
that using the eu as your yardstick elides the distribution of the population you're looking at. You could come up with a similar number from just including western Europe

so? still 4 times as many muslims per capita in the eu then in the us

I dont see the point of looking at internal distribution when comparing eu to the us

:)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Samson Manhug on October 11, 2016, 04:08:12 PM
Did you expect it to be comparable? There are no Muslim countries in this the Western hemisphere.

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(Though interestingly there are some in the Caribbean (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFJWyw_D5h0))
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on October 12, 2016, 02:44:15 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/12/former-boyfriend-of-murdered-british-woman-killed-by-philippines-police (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/12/former-boyfriend-of-murdered-british-woman-killed-by-philippines-police)

Nothing new but that Filipino business is legit crazy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: toku on October 12, 2016, 03:43:24 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-37627308

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During the EU referendum, Vote Leave claimed leaving the EU could save the UK Ł350m a week in contributions.
But an unnamed cabinet minister has told Newsnight that the UK may end up "paying quite a lot" of that money to secure access to the single market.
The government said it would not give a "running commentary" on negotiations.
The UK's contributions to the EU became one of the most contentious issues in the EU referendum campaign after Vote Leave pledged to repatriate Ł350m a week - its estimate of the UK's gross weekly contributions to the EU.
This is reduced by subsidies paid to the UK and by the UK budget rebate.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 12, 2016, 06:43:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-NEBerVRo0&feature=youtu.be

:lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: chronovore on October 12, 2016, 10:33:47 PM
I can't even laugh at this as an American, because that's the same emotion-riddled, non-thinking response most Trump supporters carry, except they want more segregation, less government handouts with an exception for Walmart employees who need them, and a reversal on suffrage.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Raist on October 15, 2016, 08:29:03 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/14/no-extra-money-for-nhs-theresa-may-tells-health-chief

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Theresa May has told the head of the NHS that it will get no extra money despite rapidly escalating problems that led to warnings this week that hospitals are close to breaking point.

The prime minister dashed any hopes of a cash boost in next month’s autumn statement when she met Simon Stevens, the chief executive of NHS England, senior NHS sources have told the Guardian. Instead she told him last month that the NHS should urgently focus on making efficiencies to fill the Ł22bn hole in its finances and not publicly seek more than the “Ł10bn extra” that ministers insist they have already pledged to provide during this parliament.

She told him the NHS could learn from the painful cuts to the Home Office and Ministry of Defence budgets that she and Philip Hammond, the chancellor, had overseen when they were in charge of those departments, according to senior figures in the NHS who were given an account of the discussion.

 :lol

Because obviously, it's just as reasonable to cut spending on public health as on defense.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Rufus on October 15, 2016, 08:42:09 AM
Are there actually useful cuts to be made, or are they just paving the way for a private option?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: toku on October 15, 2016, 01:34:08 PM
Quote from: Rufus on October 15, 2016, 08:42:09 AM
Are there actually useful cuts to be made, or are they just paving the way for a private option?

I think it's the latter.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Raist on October 16, 2016, 02:53:23 AM
Quote from: Rufus on October 15, 2016, 08:42:09 AM
Are there actually useful cuts to be made, or are they just paving the way for a private option?

There really aren't. The NHS is a fucking mess, cuts won't fix a thing, they'd just make it worse.
Ironically, british people think it's like the best system ever, but it just isn't.

Changes need to be made, and part of that means increasing funding, even if it's via new taxes, even small ones. That's what France did 20 years ago, and the public health debt has been slashed in half and keeps going down. And we're still talking €100bln+, so the NHS deficit isn't all that terrible.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 16, 2016, 10:21:12 AM
Wasnt the NHS supposed to get hundreds of millions extra every week?

promises promises
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Raist on October 16, 2016, 04:34:15 PM
Quote from: Premium Lager on October 16, 2016, 10:21:12 AM
Wasnt the NHS supposed to get hundreds of millions extra every week?

promises promises

http://www.whatdoesborisowe.co.uk/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2016, 06:08:49 PM
Of course they were never going to divert that money, or any money, to healthcare. Come on. :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 16, 2016, 06:41:00 PM
Well duh, I just love to bring it up  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Raist on October 17, 2016, 02:30:15 AM
It's cool though, they renewed Trident. They're going to need it when the EU finally makes its army and tries to conquer Britannia.

(https://abload.de/img/bert2_squarekxaya.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on October 17, 2016, 02:58:15 AM
To be fair, the MoD did undergo a rather severe round of cuts recently.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 17, 2016, 03:12:35 AM
Britain is a Nato member, one you can rely on, like when they attacked Germany after it invaded Poland, or like how they traded Poland for Greece after the war.

Maybe if they did their job back then they would t have a million Polacks there now

just s thought
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on October 17, 2016, 03:14:52 AM
We doing the Great Betrayal debate now ?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on October 17, 2016, 03:43:03 AM
At least they didn't forget about Poland.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Kara on October 18, 2016, 12:57:07 AM
We shouldn't be afraid to talk about the myriad Poles who betrayed Bolesław Bierut by working with agents of foreign imperialism.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 18, 2016, 01:57:18 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on October 17, 2016, 03:14:52 AM
We doing the Great Betrayal debate now ?

There is no debate, the betrayal was real
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on October 18, 2016, 02:37:49 AM
Quote from: Premium Lager on October 18, 2016, 01:57:18 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on October 17, 2016, 03:14:52 AM
We doing the Great Betrayal debate now ?

There is no debate, the betrayal was real

Make no mistake, Central Europe had to suffer through a double down. There's realistically not a lot more that Western powers could have done to avoid it though once the Red Army was there.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Raist on October 18, 2016, 03:04:44 AM
Perfide Albion is a thing for a reason.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: fizzel on October 18, 2016, 04:43:05 PM
Quote from: Premium Lager on October 17, 2016, 03:12:35 AM
Britain is a Nato member, one you can rely on, like when they attacked Germany after it invaded Poland, or like how they traded Poland for Greece after the war.

Maybe if they did their job back then they would t have a million Polacks there now

just s thought

It's Limeys job to fight for vodka swilling 'tater heads? The red army of '45 would have pushed all the way to the French coast if given half the chance.

Polacks are so used to getting your arses kicked you're incapable of thinking clearly. Maybe drop the christ of nations narrative and stop kicking the shins of your bigger neighbors.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: curly on October 18, 2016, 05:47:04 PM
Embrace false consciousness brehs
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on October 20, 2016, 04:53:49 AM
The "Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement" between Canada and Europe is starting to go the way of the dodo like its US cousin (TIPP/TAFTA), since several instances in the french-speaking regions of Belgium have voted to refuse handling signature power to the federal authorities for its adoption, with possibly more members following. Germany and France are still on board but reservations are mounting, with the French junior minister in charge admitting a deal is probably not possible anymore.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 20, 2016, 05:07:19 AM
Quote from: fizzel on October 18, 2016, 04:43:05 PM
Quote from: Premium Lager on October 17, 2016, 03:12:35 AM
Britain is a Nato member, one you can rely on, like when they attacked Germany after it invaded Poland, or like how they traded Poland for Greece after the war.

Maybe if they did their job back then they would t have a million Polacks there now

just s thought

It's Limeys job to fight for vodka swilling 'tater heads? The red army of '45 would have pushed all the way to the French coast if given half the chance.

Polacks are so used to getting your arses kicked you're incapable of thinking clearly. Maybe drop the christ of nations narrative and stop kicking the shins of your bigger neighbors.

I didn't say it was, it was you guys who made the promise

The sun used to never set on the British Empire, but if your word means so little it's no surprise it sets exactly at 5:56 pm Greenwich time now every day
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Syph on October 20, 2016, 07:00:14 PM
LOL Philippines
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 20, 2016, 08:21:55 PM
Duterte really hates Obama, doesn't he?

Also: I'd like to know how all this is playing out among Filipinos, since I've always heard that Filipinos have a very positive view of America.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Brehvolution on October 20, 2016, 08:37:53 PM
Holy shit!!! One of my good friends from high school was Filipino!

spoiler (click to show/hide)
23 years ago :fbm
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on October 21, 2016, 01:29:53 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 20, 2016, 08:21:55 PM
Duterte really hates Obama, doesn't he?

Also: I'd like to know how all this is playing out among Filipinos, since I've always heard that Filipinos have a very positive view of America.

"New study finds high correlation between liking US president B.Obama and propensity to smuggle and deal drugs"  :-\
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on October 22, 2016, 01:38:12 AM
Well, Venezuelan officials suspensed the procedure for an early recall of the presidency. And congress (held by the opposition) was bypassed on the latest budget vote.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/21/venezuela-president-maduro-recall-referendum

Meanwhile, some UN staff members are not too pleased with Wonder Woman being appointed as an honorary member

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/oct/21/wonder-woman-un-ambassador-staff-protest

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The choice of Wonder Woman was not the first time a fictional honorary ambassador was chosen to represent the UN. Previously, Winnie the Pooh was an ambassador for International Day of Friendship, and a character from Angry Birds was chosen for International Day of Happiness, according to NPR. Tinker Bell was made “honorary ambassador of green” in 2009.

How do you do fellow kids ?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on October 22, 2016, 03:10:05 AM
Quote
Five different lower courts in different states issued nearly simultaneous rulings on Thursday on the fraud charges prompting the electoral council – which had previously certified the signatures – to call the suspension.

“This 1% is deeply stained with fraud and lies,” said Jorge Rodríguez, the head of the commission that reviewed the initial signatures.
so it was rigged, the democratic will of the people to continue supporting Maduro will not be overthrown by a corrupt and fraudulent 1%

the us is one to talk what with what happened to bernie sanders and the whole thing with minorities and stuff

Quote
Another woman who agreed to be quoted said the choice of character sent a toxic message about strong women and that the UN should be countering such representations of body image, not reinforcing it. “On every imaginable level, we think she is a poor choice,” she said. Wonder Woman’s American flag costume, she said, was akin to “pop culture imperialism”.
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/20de8f824d5abe44ac00f40fda8b1ce288b7682a/0_57_2980_1788/master/2980.jpg?w=620&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=69d8f59b3f455a0180a91d815e60d358)(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/6ad2cc16dff1caa57d7e11f2ff8dc25f471c76a6/0_85_5584_3350/master/5584.jpg?w=620&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=468cddd1df87ca686ea7dae6c28b08d2)
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“For something that is this important, you need a woman or a man who can speak, somebody who can travel, somebody who can champion these rights, somebody who is able to have an opinion, somebody that can be interviewed, somebody that can stand up in front of 192 member states and say this is what we would like you to do,” she said.
exactly, there needs to be one woman, or a man, who speaks for all women, a mascot can't shoulder than burden of telling member states the global interests of 50+% of their populations

robin lopez was right
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on October 22, 2016, 03:13:00 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 22, 2016, 03:10:05 AM
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/6ad2cc16dff1caa57d7e11f2ff8dc25f471c76a6/0_85_5584_3350/master/5584.jpg?w=620&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=468cddd1df87ca686ea7dae6c28b08d2)
ENHANCE

(http://i.imgur.com/Ri2ukwE.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Raist on October 22, 2016, 03:44:55 AM
At least it's an improvement over Hermione Granger.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 23, 2016, 01:14:45 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/22/leading-banks-set-to-pull-out-of-brexit-uk

:smug
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: toku on October 23, 2016, 02:09:07 PM
 :sabu
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 23, 2016, 03:19:29 PM
Thankfully, the leader of America's Brexit-equivalent is literally the worst possible person, so we will be saved from our own stupidity for at least a few more years.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2016, 09:10:53 AM
The Lithuanian Greens dominated the second round and added 53 seats in total. Their total of 54 seats (out of 141) will be the most for any party since the wake of the Communist Party and its successor falling apart in 1996.

Meanwhile in Iceland which votes Saturday, the Pirate Party (~21%) and Left-Greens (~18%) are the two of the three leaders in polls now. No party except the Social Democrats briefly in 2009 and for a year at the end of the 1950s has been the main party in Iceland outside of the dominant two parties, Progressive Party and Independence Party, since 1927. Progressives and Social Democrats are now polling at around 9% and 7%. They got 24% and 13% in 2013 and 15% and 30% in 2009. Independence Party (~21%) is basically running now on how the millennials are going to destroy Iceland with their irresponsible voting. They were the Party in power when Iceland needed that bailout.

Pirates have collapsed since the start of the year, they at one point were polling at 41-43% something which hasn't been done by a single party since 1974.

Also polling up is the liberal-ish split off of the Independence Party, Vioreisn. They've been between 6-12% in last weeks polls. They had been around 3%. The other liberal party Bright Future has also moved up after dropping but is still polling slightly under its 2013 result of 8%. Both are pro-EU parties. In 2014 BF peaked at 20% in the polls for a while.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Iceland_opinion_polls.svg/650px-Iceland_opinion_polls.svg.png)
Blue = Independence, Dark Purple = Pirates, Bright Purple = Bright Future, Orange = Vioreisen, Red = Social Democrats, Light Green = Progressive

I assume a bulk of the "others" must be Dawn which I guess would best be described as maybe the anti-EU liberal-ish party? It's a merger of three parties that immediately lost two-thirds of their vote and all its seats so it's kinda got a confused platform still.

Iceland's sometimes a fun country to watch elections in because it's kinda more like a small city. And everyone has great Viking names. Also probably people eating that terrible brined shark or whatever it is. Ugh, what a horrible people.

They jailed their bankers too. Just uncouth.

Quote from: washington post comments
OhGoOnThen
6:12 AM EDT
I don't know what you do for a living, but imagine tomorrow, you and all your coworkers were fired and a collection of people off the street came in to do your jobs, because they knew in their hearts they could do a better job of it than you. How well would that work?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Syph on October 24, 2016, 03:42:25 PM
http://www.steynonline.com/7567/descent-into-evil

"An Iraqi asylum seeker who confessed to raping a 10-year-old boy in a swimming pool, claiming it was a "sexual emergency", has had his conviction overturned."
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Samson Manhug on October 24, 2016, 04:55:13 PM
Quote
According to the Supreme Court President Thomas Philipp, while the verdict was "watertight" with regard to the serious sexual assault of a minor, there was not enough evidence to support the second charge of rape.

The appeal court said the initial ruling should have dealt with whether the offender thought that the victim had agreed with the sexual act, or whether he had intended to act against his will.

The sentence was therefore lifted, although Amir is expected to remain in custody until the rape case returns to the regional court next year.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/723868/Migrant-jailed-Austria-attack-boy-10-sexual-emergency-has-conviction-OVERTURNED

Stop reading right wing news, just stop, just read real news. Like maybe only read AP/Reuters/AFP until you think it's safe to read editorials again and your confirmation bias is better.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Raist on October 25, 2016, 02:45:02 AM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on October 24, 2016, 04:55:13 PM
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According to the Supreme Court President Thomas Philipp, while the verdict was "watertight" with regard to the serious sexual assault of a minor, there was not enough evidence to support the second charge of rape.

The appeal court said the initial ruling should have dealt with whether the offender thought that the victim had agreed with the sexual act, or whether he had intended to act against his will.

The sentence was therefore lifted, although Amir is expected to remain in custody until the rape case returns to the regional court next year.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/723868/Migrant-jailed-Austria-attack-boy-10-sexual-emergency-has-conviction-OVERTURNED

Stop reading right wing news, just stop, just read real news. Like maybe only read AP/Reuters/AFP until you think it's safe to read editorials again and your confirmation bias is better.

I'm sorry, but the fact that they threw away the rape charges are still 300% bullshit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Syph on October 25, 2016, 03:10:39 AM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on October 24, 2016, 04:55:13 PM
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According to the Supreme Court President Thomas Philipp, while the verdict was "watertight" with regard to the serious sexual assault of a minor, there was not enough evidence to support the second charge of rape.

The appeal court said the initial ruling should have dealt with whether the offender thought that the victim had agreed with the sexual act, or whether he had intended to act against his will.

The sentence was therefore lifted, although Amir is expected to remain in custody until the rape case returns to the regional court next year.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/723868/Migrant-jailed-Austria-attack-boy-10-sexual-emergency-has-conviction-OVERTURNED

Stop reading right wing news, just stop, just read real news. Like maybe only read AP/Reuters/AFP until you think it's safe to read editorials again and your confirmation bias is better.
What the fuck are you talking about
First off, I don't know which "right wing news" you're talking about, and then following that up with "real news"? Cmon
And what confirmation bias? I posted the article because it was a horrible incident; the fact that the conviction was overturned just amplifies it. It's difficult to comment because I don't really know what the hell you're referring to, but maybe you should think about your own confirmation bias or how you rationalized the story away because of the bolded part.
I fully admit I could be misinterpreting what you're saying (welcome to communication over the internet) but this story is shitty any way you look at it.

edit: are you perhaps referring to the article you linked and the website it comes from specifically? I posted the specific link I posted because I like Mark Steyn...the story itself about the boy is widely available on the internet, it's not like just one random right-wing site is running with it, like the one that Steyn happened to quote and that you did as well. Is yahoo.com a right-wing site now? lol (again I may be misinterpreting what you said)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: curly on October 25, 2016, 08:09:49 AM
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The hills are alive...with the sound of child rape

:dunno
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 25, 2016, 10:02:34 AM
Quote from: Syph on October 25, 2016, 03:10:39 AM
I posted the specific link I posted because I like Mark Steyn

 :donot
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Syph on October 25, 2016, 02:56:01 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 25, 2016, 10:02:34 AM
Quote from: Syph on October 25, 2016, 03:10:39 AM
I posted the specific link I posted because I like Mark Steyn

 :donot
not a fan? he's canadian how bad can he really be eh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 25, 2016, 05:15:55 PM
Being Canadian doesn't save him from the trash pit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Syph on October 25, 2016, 10:05:36 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 25, 2016, 05:15:55 PM
Being Canadian doesn't save him from the trash pit.
lol why dont you like him
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 25, 2016, 10:40:53 PM
For much the same reason that I don't like Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, or Ann Coulter.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Syph on October 25, 2016, 11:02:42 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 25, 2016, 10:40:53 PM
For much the same reason that I don't like Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, or Ann Coulter.
I get that, but for someone who has known about Steyn for many years, I wouldn't classify him with those people. I dislike those 3 as well actually. But to each his own obviously.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Mandark on October 25, 2016, 11:57:40 PM
Oh honey. Steyn is racist 00's warblogger trash.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on October 26, 2016, 12:05:55 AM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1b/AmericaAlone.jpg)
 :usacry

I like when the British raised, Canadian citizen, who lives in New Hampshire, Mark Steyn complains about immigration to America.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 26, 2016, 12:37:12 AM
he white doe
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on October 26, 2016, 12:45:24 AM
worse, he's a ginger

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51Lrx1jyVHL._AC_UL320_SR220,320_.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Raist on October 26, 2016, 02:44:16 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 26, 2016, 12:45:24 AM
worse, he's a ginger

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51Lrx1jyVHL._AC_UL320_SR220,320_.jpg)

Didn't know Seth Rogen was a white supremacist. I guess him hanging out just with Carell or Rudd but not Malco in the 40yo virgin makes sense now.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Syph on October 26, 2016, 02:46:02 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 26, 2016, 12:05:55 AM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1b/AmericaAlone.jpg)
 :usacry

I like when the British raised, Canadian citizen, who lives in New Hampshire, Mark Steyn complains about immigration to America.
that book is more about the collapse of europe through demographics
america would be later
also a lot of what he suggested in that book ended up coming true..

i will easily concede that he's a ginger though
cant argue that
there's a limit guys
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Mandark on October 26, 2016, 03:24:16 AM
that shit is basically #whitegenocide: the book
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 26, 2016, 03:29:41 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/vdq1Nre.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on October 26, 2016, 03:33:34 AM
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Marked For Death brings together in one book a transatlantic pairing of two of the west's most prominent champions for our civilization's core liberties. And don't forget, when you order from SteynOnline, Mark will be happy to autograph it to you or your loved one. Order one today for the incendiary imam or appeasing Eurocrat in your family!
(http://www.steynstore.com/media/products_books/MFDmedium)

ordering one for sohail as we speak: http://www.lansingislam.com/imam.htm

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Youth Jeopardy 2:30 pm 3rd Sunday of month
INCENDIARY

how dare he put youths in jeopardy, this is america, not saudi iranistan
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 26, 2016, 03:44:51 AM
He's married to a Hungarian jew which makes his view on immigration laughable.

Also he claims to be agnostic, yet defends the judo/christian culture or whatever.

Idiot.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on October 26, 2016, 04:40:48 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/25/exclusive-leaked-recording-shows-what-theresa-may-really-thinks-about-brexit
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Theresa May privately warned that companies would leave the UK if the country voted for Brexit during a secret audience with investment bankers a month before the EU referendum.

A recording of her remarks to Goldman Sachs, leaked to the Guardian, reveals she had numerous concerns about Britain leaving the EU. It contrasts with her nuanced public speeches, which dismayed remain campaigners before the vote in June.

Speaking at the bank in London on 26 May, the then home secretary appeared to go further than her public remarks to explain more clearly the economic benefits of staying in the EU. She told staff it was time the UK took a lead in Europe, and that she hoped voters would look to the future rather than the past.

In an hour-long session before the City bankers, she also worried about the effect of Brexit on the British economy.

“I think the economic arguments are clear,” she said. “I think being part of a 500-million trading bloc is significant for us. I think, as I was saying to you a little earlier, that one of the issues is that a lot of people will invest here in the UK because it is the UK in Europe.

“If we were not in Europe, I think there would be firms and companies who would be looking to say, do they need to develop a mainland Europe presence rather than a UK presence? So I think there are definite benefits for us in economic terms.”
its disgusting how these private speeches to bankers keep getting leaked
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Syph on October 26, 2016, 01:33:20 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 26, 2016, 03:24:16 AM
that shit is basically #whitegenocide: the book
but why does that automatically discount it?
just because an idea is uncomfortable (not saying you specifically are saying that btw) doesn't make it wrong or without merit
as someone who grew up in canada i think the conversation pertaining to assimilation vs maintaining the immigrant's culture upon immigration is very important and interesting
growing up in a canadian high school (in one of the "most multicultural" cities) the conclusion of every "culture" talk is that we don't have one. that our culture is multiculturalism...which works until the cultures you're "importing" don't maintain the same level of tolerance towards one another
...i realize i went on another tangent there lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Momo on October 26, 2016, 06:40:43 PM
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/c597409117b04a2da0d131de9584308f/gambia-says-it-leaving-international-criminal-court (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/c597409117b04a2da0d131de9584308f/gambia-says-it-leaving-international-criminal-court)

"international Caucasian court"

 :heh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Syph on October 26, 2016, 07:28:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-01YeHnrAc
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Raist on October 27, 2016, 01:56:55 AM
Quote from: Syph on October 26, 2016, 07:28:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-01YeHnrAc

This is nothing new. An all-time favourite past-time of those fuckers in some of these areas is to put large bins on fire, wait for firefighters to come and then throw rocks at them from their flats. What do they hope achieving with this? Because eventually firefighters will say fuck it and stop answering calls in these areas, and some shit will burn to the ground.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Mupepe on October 27, 2016, 07:49:21 AM
Quote from: Raist on October 27, 2016, 01:56:55 AM
Quote from: Syph on October 26, 2016, 07:28:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-01YeHnrAc

This is nothing new. An all-time favourite past-time of those fuckers in some of these areas is to put large bins on fire, wait for firefighters to come and then throw rocks at them from their flats. What do they hope achieving with this? Because eventually firefighters will say fuck it and stop answering calls in these areas, and some shit will burn to the ground.
Sounds like American History X
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Rufus on October 27, 2016, 07:50:16 AM
How have I missed this?

Debunking years of tabloid claims about Europe
http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/06/daily-chart-15
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Samson Manhug on October 27, 2016, 09:05:52 AM
Are French no go zones on there?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Rufus on October 27, 2016, 09:23:12 AM
Doesn't look like it:
http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 29, 2016, 03:18:21 AM
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=221905735

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=221924107
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Raist on October 29, 2016, 03:54:17 AM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on October 27, 2016, 09:05:52 AM
Are French no go zones on there?

It really isn't a myth. There are really shitty areas (mostly in and around Paris) where emergency services (not just cops, but firefighters and healthcare too) shit their pants a little when they are being called there.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on October 29, 2016, 04:07:56 AM
Quote from: Raist on October 29, 2016, 03:54:17 AM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on October 27, 2016, 09:05:52 AM
Are French no go zones on there?

It really isn't a myth. There are really shitty areas (mostly in and around Paris) where emergency services (not just cops, but firefighters and healthcare too) shit their pants a little when they are being called there.

Well, the "no go" (as won't ever go anymore) part is disputed even by some cops.
There's no denying however that in certain neighborhoods (typically poor housing projects), emergency services (and / or journalists and camera crews) runs at a higher risk of violent confrontation by bands / gangs just for being there and that police prefer to go in with overwhelming numbers for any large operation. "No go" or not, it is of course a major issue.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Raist on October 29, 2016, 06:59:51 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on October 29, 2016, 04:07:56 AM
Quote from: Raist on October 29, 2016, 03:54:17 AM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on October 27, 2016, 09:05:52 AM
Are French no go zones on there?

It really isn't a myth. There are really shitty areas (mostly in and around Paris) where emergency services (not just cops, but firefighters and healthcare too) shit their pants a little when they are being called there.

Well, the "no go" (as won't ever go anymore) part is disputed even by some cops.
There's no denying however that in certain neighborhoods (typically poor housing projects), emergency services (and / or journalists and camera crews) runs at a higher risk of violent confrontation by bands / gangs just for being there and that police prefer to go in with overwhelming numbers for any large operation. "No go" or not, it is of course a major issue.

Well yeah, the term is a bit of an hyperbole, and I'm pretty sure that for ethical and/or legal reasons, they won't ever go that far.

To be honest, I would. Being baited, as a firefighter for instance, into coming to an area because someone deliberately set a some shit on fire (that goes from bins to entire fucking buildings), just to have a pack of twenty cunts wait for you with rocks and bricks to wreck your shit up must be by orders of magnitude the shittiest thing you can face in these jobs.

I mean, I can "understand" that happening with police officers, but pulling this shit on firefighters and ambulance? What the actual fuck.
These folks should be thrown in jail for a couple decades. Not only are they performing serious assaults on public service members whose job is just to help and save people, they're also putting others around them at incredible risks.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Rufus on October 29, 2016, 10:32:23 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/korea/comments/59bgx6/primer_on_latest_president_park_scandal/

What the fuck is going on in South Korea? :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: brawndolicious on October 29, 2016, 12:34:58 PM
As I understand it, they are considering impeaching their president because she may have made her executive  decisions by following the advice a spiritual advisor/cult leader? I just heard about this so I don't know the particulars but apparently she's the first female president of SK so that certainly hurts.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Rufus on October 29, 2016, 12:37:15 PM
That's the gist, yes.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2016, 05:16:27 PM
Her fathers reign, the last President Park, resulted in a pretty good movie in The President's Last Bang.

No, this isn't because it's the only thing I know about South Korean politics. :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: curly on October 29, 2016, 06:47:31 PM
Quote from: brawndolicious on October 29, 2016, 12:34:58 PM
As I understand it, they are considering impeaching their president because she may have made her executive  decisions by following the advice a spiritual advisor/cult leader? I just heard about this so I don't know the particulars but apparently she's the first female president of SK so that certainly hurts.

The way I read it her influence goes a lot deeper than offering advice. The woman they're talking about is also the daughter of the cult founder, who was a mentor to the current president Park and stole lots of money from the state by using his connections with Park  (he also got married six times, like all good Christians do). Basically every western news story on the subject refers to him as a "Rasputin-like" figure.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2016, 07:02:09 PM
Quote from: curly on October 29, 2016, 06:47:31 PM
Basically every western news story on the subject refers to him as a "Rasputin-like" figure.
So he's unkillable... :ohhh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: curly on October 29, 2016, 07:06:20 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 29, 2016, 07:02:09 PM
Quote from: curly on October 29, 2016, 06:47:31 PM
Basically every western news story on the subject refers to him as a "Rasputin-like" figure.
So he's unkillable... :ohhh

Yeah if he wasn't dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2016, 07:16:38 PM
is he? how do we know for sure? especially if he can't be killed :gurl
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Yeti on October 29, 2016, 10:48:44 PM
They probably have his penis in a mason jar too. That's how we know Rasputin is still dead, because he hasn't shown up to claim it yet.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on October 30, 2016, 12:48:42 PM
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We all know what self-interest looks like. Even though we would prefer that our politicians are not corrupt, at least we know how corrupt politicians behave. But not with Park Geun-hye. Her corruption was not self-interested at all. If anything, her corruption was self-sacrificing in favor of Choi Soon-sil. Among the numerous revelations, I personally found this the most pathetic: Park Geun-hye gave Choi a sizable budget to purchase the presidential wardrobe, and Choi embezzled most of it. Instead of purchasing the clothes that befitted a head of state, Choi outfitted Park Geun-hye with crappy clothes that she had her cronies made with subpar material. There is a video of Choi's staff smoking and drinking while eating fried chicken, right next to the suit meant for Park Geun-hye. At one point, one of the staffs handled the suit without even wiping chicken grease from his hands, while breathing smoke onto the clothes. Park Geun-hye would wear this suit on her presidential visit with Xi Jinping. For accessories, Choi gave Park the cheap leather purses and clutches that her gigolo designed.

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This much sounds like a joke, but it can easily take a terrifying turn. There has been much speculation about the "missing seven hours," where the president's whereabouts were completely unknown for seven hours in 2014 during the Sewol ferry disaster. Rumors are now running rampant that Park Geun-hye was attending a memorial shamanistic ritual for Choi Tae-min, who passed away 20 years ago on the day of the ferry disaster. The more lurid version of the rumor says that Park's government actually sank the Sewol to offer human sacrifice for the dead cult leader. As ridiculous as these rumors are, Park Geun-hye's behavior forces even reasonable people to think, maybe.

http://askakorean.blogspot.fr/2016/10/the-irrational-downfall-of-park-geun-hye.html

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2016, 01:05:31 PM
Iceland didn't turn out to be as dramatic as Lithuania:

Independence Party: 19 seats (26.7%) -> 21 seats (29.0%)
Left-Greens: 7 seats (10.9%) -> 10 seats (15.9%)
Pirate Party: 3 seats (5.1%) -> 10 seats (14.5%)
Progressive Party: 19 seats (24.4%) -> 8 seats (11.5%)
Vioreisn: 7 seats (10.5%)
Bright Future: 6 seats (8.3%) ->  4 seats (7.2%)
Social Democrats: 9 seats (12.9%) -> 3 seats (5.7%)

32 seats is needed for a majority. The Pirates refuse to enter any coalition with the Progressives or Independence but will negotiate with the rest.

Independence+Progressives+SDA = 32 seats exactly.

L-G+Pirates+Vioreisn+BF+SDA = 34 seats.

There's not really another potential coalition unless Independence could convince the pro-European Vioreisn and BF to team up which would also net 32 seats.

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With 30 women MPs, Iceland has now also over taken Finland and Sweden to become the parliament with the highest proportion of female members - over 47 percent - in Europe.
Quote
Turnout in Saturday's election was 79.2 percent, a historic low.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on October 31, 2016, 03:27:50 AM
Morocco in turmoil with several protests in the country and the king expressing condoleances for a fish-seller killed in a garbage disposing truck as a result of a scuffle with public agents trying to seize his fish. Video of thedeath and inanimate body was caught on camera. Morroco had legislative elections recently and the islamist party won the majority, with a more center aligned formation (founded by one of the king's aides...) trailing just behind.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Syph on October 31, 2016, 02:19:28 PM
Say what you want about Mark Steyn but he knows how to open an article.
From today's "Occam's Weiner" post:

Quote
"Happy Halloweiner, the night when Anthony Weiner's undead penis rises from its grave to bite Hillary's campaign. The stroking dead is apparently impervious to silver bullets or garlic, and unlike vampires it does show up in photographs, on cell phones across the globe."
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: toku on October 31, 2016, 03:31:33 PM
https://askakorean.blogspot.com/2016/10/the-irrational-downfall-of-park-geun-hye.html?m=1
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Raist on November 03, 2016, 06:22:21 AM
Oh boy :lol


https://twitter.com/AFP/status/794119055330447360
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 03, 2016, 06:36:47 AM
:dead

They won't have the balls to block it though
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 03, 2016, 07:33:55 AM
Quote from: Premium Lager on November 03, 2016, 06:36:47 AM
:dead

They won't have the balls to block it though

Wouldn't bet on that, remember they brute forced the Lisbon treaty when the referendums for the constitution fell through in France and the Netherlands, and that included asking the Irish to vote a second time less than a year after they rejected the Lisbon backup solution.

It would be a terrible message to send, however, I won't argue with that.

EDIT : The governement is said to try to appeal the decision.

(https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51JJ62VuvXL._SY346_.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Raist on November 03, 2016, 08:17:24 AM
faragethingsarelookingprettygood.gif

(https://abload.de/img/lelzdpat1.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Rufus on November 04, 2016, 07:46:07 AM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37868441

Escalate, escalate, escalate. What a bleeding shame.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Raist on November 06, 2016, 09:58:12 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/04/leave-voters-on-article-50-ruling-brexit

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I have no issue with immigration, that was not my reason for voting leave. I voted for Brexit to escape the bureaucracy of the European Union and I wanted us to regain control over legislation in this country. The latest ruling is yet more evidence for why this was the right decision.

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 03:30:37 AM
Daniel Ortega and the Sandinistas got re-elected in Nicaragua with 73% and 66% respectively.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 09, 2016, 05:15:06 AM
So... It's hard to imagine that US leadership in world affairs will not suffer for this, even if Trump would just be a figurehead and limit himself to diplomatic gaffes.

It's maybe time for European countries to really take a hard look at themselves with regards to defence (among other things). The NATO free ride may be over, at the very least doubts that a President Trump would commit to defend the Balts, Ukraine or Central Europe are certainly warranted. Dissociating from the Trump administration might also be beneficial, depending on the wildness of its foreign policy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 09, 2016, 06:17:57 AM
Trump just want the freeloading of Nato to stop which I agree with,only 4/5 countries spend the agreed on 2% of their gdp on defense

Maybe Europeans wouldnt piss their pants over this election if they knew they could defend themselves
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 09, 2016, 07:45:29 AM
Sarkozy riding hard on that Trump dick now and rebranding himself a protectionist candidate ( :rofl  :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ )

As we say in France : Cunts will dare to do anything, that's how you can tell them apart from the rest.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 09, 2016, 12:05:36 PM
So yeah the French election, as it was brought up in the other thread.
France is very likely to see a presidential election with a "legitimate" right wing candidate facing off the nationalist far right Marine Le Pen.

Reason for that is that the left is in tatters.
First and foremost, incumbent Socialist president François Hollande is abjectly unpopular. Hollande was elected on regulating finance in the wake of the crisis, renegotiating the way the European Union could help Euro members in crisis to avoid austerity politics, unemployment, reducing public deficits, passing gay marriage and bringing some calm and dignity to public life after the excruciating mandate of Sarkozy (whose style can be best summed up : "for every story, a TV appearance and a law").

Of all this, only gay marriage really panned out. Merkel pretty much told him on day one to get the fuck out and that the Eurozone will stay perfectly as it is now and that was that. Reducing public deficits went out the windows with the terrorist attacks. While less loud and obnoxious than Sarkozy, Hollande wasn't exactly a model of rectitude, with the revelation he dumped his then fiancé for an affair with an actress, plus a few others stories I won't detail. He also elevated Manuel Valls as prime minister mid-mandate, and Valls is pretty much a Diet Socialist version of Sarkozy.

This socialist government also fucked it up pretty good after the terrorists attacks : it tried to push through a measure suggested by Sarkozy a few years prior, which consisted in stripping terrorists of their French nationality. You can't make someone an apatrid in international law, so on top of being dumb (dudes blowing themselves up in France probably aren't gonna be impressed) it only could be applied to people with two passports, a miniscule minority. The popular Ministry of Justice, Christine Taubira, which was the main force in pushing gay marriage, resigned over this.

Final nail in the coffin was probably the multiple labour reform laws they tried to pass, first at the behest of the Economy minister (a former bankster... which may now run in the election as a centrist independent !) then of the Labour ministry -as I told in this thread a few months ago- as the last major reform of their mandate. President Hollande was already wildly unpopular by then but he certainly lost a few people for good then (myself included). The current cabinet has also lost most of the support from the Greens & the Communists, its two traditional sidekicks.

It's gotten so bad that the Socialist Party is actually conducting a primary for the next election, a primary in which Hollande may or may not run as he said he would decide in December (How do that shit work if Hollande refuses to comply but the party choose a candidate...?). Current trends are that a more "leftist" candidate will be chosen this time around.

Unfortunately, as per usual, the radical left will probably squander a potential opportunity to compete because of the usual shitshow.
Most prominent figure is former socialist Jean-Luc Mélenchon, who set a radical cohabitation party last election with the French Communist Party... But the cohabitation fell through because partners really don't see eye to eye on some issues. Mélenchon is defending radical left positions, will favor social policies over adherence to the European project as it stands, is a talented populist and had some admiration for Chavez and the like (my biggest turn off).
Communists accused Mélenchon of having a huge ego, while the Reds were too eager to forget the cohabitation to negotiate local deals with the Socialist Party to save their last strongholds.

The cohabitation party has sunk but Mélenchon has set up a new movement "La France Insoumise" ("Rebellious France") which is not a party, and called upon every radical to flock to his banner (and to his terms !). Communists were divised over the question of joining them (option favored by the First Secretary) or choosing their own candidate and a first vote chose the latter, even though it must be debated a second time by all militants.

The Green Party, which managed to be a dark horse in a couple of elections, has pretty much returned to its state of constant upheaval and of choosing obscure unknown candidates to field.

And as said above, Emmanuel Macron, former Minister of Economy, wants to run as centrist appealing to the most shallow Socialists.

Add to that a couple of Trotskyist outliers and you've got 4-5 potential candidates competing for leftist votes and all somewhat capable to 3% to 15% of the vote, 3 of them running on the same key points (A new constitution for a VIth Republic and a move from a presidential regime to a parliamentary one). Mélenchon could maybe have a chance to compete... but as a grassroot organisation only without the support of at least the Communists, color me skeptical.

Opposite them the main right wing party (Les Républicains, formerly known as UMP itself formerly known a RPR, itself formerly known by a variety of names under De Gaulle leadership) is also having its primary, with the two stronger candidates being former President Nicolas Sarkozy and former Chirac Prime Minister Alain Juppé (also maybe worthy of note, former Sarkozy Primer Minister François Fillon).

Juppé is currently in the lead : always the first and the last of the Chirac loyalists -He pretty much took the fall for Chirac for a ton of embezzling and stuff-, Juppé is probably one of the last man to represent a watered down form of the post-war all-powerful Gaullist movement (for you millenials : A conservative yet statist ideology with priorities of keeping France international status & power, being autonomous from US leadership and modernize the country carried by the charismatic De Gaulle), though in actuality he is really a classical liberal. Juppé has a ton of experience, is not as loud as Sarkozy & not as racist as Le Pen and he is clearly banking of being an acceptable choice for the center left should he be facing Le Pen.

So much so, in fact, that the last independent remainder of french Christian Democracy (the rest was absorbed in UMP by Chirac a few years ago. Christian Democrats never were really as major a thing in France compared to Italy or Germany, mostly being strong in selected regions) François Bayrou, has said that he would run against Sarkozy but not Juppé.

Former President Sarkozy, despite leaving terrible memories, reneging on his promise to leave politics and the numerous justice investigations on illegal funding, does still have some sway. For one, the party itself is his thing, he never made the mistake of letting go of the wheel there. As expected, Sarkozy is doubling down on its past victory by pretty much offering a diet far right program to try to pander to Le Pen voters (Much posing on national values, likes to deport illegal immigrants, rail on Romas etc...). In the wake of Brexit and Trump, Sarkozy has toned down his former pro Europe, pro NATO, pro liberalism stance to also court nationalists on the economic front. Back then, Sarkozy boasted he killed the far right by syphoning their votes but as nationalist Le Pen senior said, the FN voters are not dumb and they prefer to vote for the original, real flavor.

Anyway, as usual in France, the right is way more disciplined in offering a united front and whoever is chosen should not have too much issue gathering at least 20% of the vote in the first round, which is the low cutoff point if you really want to advance to the next round.

Lastly of course is the far right FN. It had some up and downs in the past but really it has proven remarkly resilient and consistent at gathering 15% to 20%. I want to believe that Le Pen would still be strongly opposed would she manage to get to the second round, like her father were against Chirac in 2002 (who won 82% of the vote)... But for one it's pretty certain that a lot of leftist voters wouldn't bother this time as many felt they were fucked, especially if the alternative is Sarkozy. If Le Pen passes, I would certainly not be too surprised if she improves on her father with 35-40%.

Since the presidential mandate has been shortened to 5 years, the National Assembly elections are now conducted just after the presidential one and have never failed so far to give a majority to the new president. In the worst case scenario of a far right presidency, it's not clear the FN could actually win most of the seats as it is actually pretty weak as far as competent personnel go.

Senate is elected indirectly by a college of local elected officials (an half being renewed every 3 years), is currently held by the right wing opposition and this is not expected to change.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 09, 2016, 04:01:24 PM
WTT: One (1) grandma

Looking for an EU passport. Serious offers only.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 09, 2016, 04:13:55 PM
:smug
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Raist on November 12, 2016, 04:06:26 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-citizenship-freedom-of-movement-passport-how-to-keep-parliament-live-move-abroad-a7405196.html


(https://abload.de/img/blank_c4c276202f939e19bum2.gif)


If this is strictly restricted to individuals, sure why not.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 12, 2016, 07:27:13 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/12/tens-of-thousands-march-demanding-south-korean-president-park-geun-hye-resign

Massive demonstrations in South Korea to demand the resignation of the President.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 12, 2016, 08:13:47 AM
Quote from: Raist on November 12, 2016, 04:06:26 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-citizenship-freedom-of-movement-passport-how-to-keep-parliament-live-move-abroad-a7405196.html


(https://abload.de/img/blank_c4c276202f939e19bum2.gif)


If this is strictly restricted to individuals, sure why not.

never ever going to happen
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: fizzel on November 12, 2016, 09:29:51 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on November 09, 2016, 05:15:06 AM
So... It's hard to imagine that US leadership in world affairs will not suffer for this, even if Trump would just be a figurehead and limit himself to diplomatic gaffes.

It's maybe time for European countries to really take a hard look at themselves with regards to defence (among other things). The NATO free ride may be over, at the very least doubts that a President Trump would commit to defend the Balts, Ukraine or Central Europe are certainly warranted. Dissociating from the Trump administration might also be beneficial, depending on the wildness of its foreign policy.

Replacing the emasculating/de-nutting presence of Yankee troops with the malevolent entity of a "European" army.

Just stop advancing east... It never ends well for you continentals.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 12, 2016, 11:00:21 AM
It's not so much expanding but being able to have a credible defence to protect nations who joined by their own accord the EU and NATO, including Poland, Baltic states and Greece. Not too much worry to have about an "unified" European army, it's not happening soon. Polling and a modicum of a joint HQ are probably the most we can achieve. My opinion was always that a French-UK coordination was the best, simplest and most complete fit (has a long history, shares the same imperialist roots, same needs to be able to project and protect faraway overseas confettis, same level of technology, both nuclear power) but our longstanding competing perspective with regards to US involvement and the Brexit is making that difficult.

Beyond that Europe (or to be more precise and realist : the major military powers of Western Europe) needs to be able to conduct operations in the Med and adjacent regions (North Africa, Near and Middle East) who directly borders the EU. As of now, UK and France cannot by their own sustain large air campaigns and probably rely on US naval assets to patrol and secure shipping lanes. We can never by ourselves have those numbers but more autonomous efforts are possible, rather without the need for clear Turkish support considering how things are unfolding there.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 12, 2016, 02:17:07 PM
I really want an EU army.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 12, 2016, 02:45:29 PM
An EU army would be a huge step towards a unified Europe.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on November 12, 2016, 07:26:01 PM
You know who else tried to unify Europe?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Mupepe on November 12, 2016, 07:38:47 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 12, 2016, 07:26:01 PM
You know who else tried to unify Europe?
Napoleon. And he would have done it if it wasn't for those meddling kids!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: chronovore on November 13, 2016, 12:20:59 AM
Quote from: Mupepe on November 12, 2016, 07:38:47 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 12, 2016, 07:26:01 PM
You know who else tried to unify Europe?
Napoleon. And he would have done it if it wasn't for those meddling kids!

After the most recent election, I'm willing to sell back the Louisiana Purchase property at its original price.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 13, 2016, 02:29:25 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 12, 2016, 07:26:01 PM
You know who else tried to unify Europe?

Christianity ?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Raist on November 13, 2016, 04:27:12 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on November 13, 2016, 02:29:25 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 12, 2016, 07:26:01 PM
You know who else tried to unify Europe?

Christianity ?

:lol


But yeah. A few people tried. But it wasn't so much unifying as "I'm gonna take all that shit for myself, thank you very much".
Although Napoleon did work a little bit towards that.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 13, 2016, 09:35:19 AM
I dunno. Napoleon didn't have the best judgement in appointing his family and friends at the head of puppet states, but it's not like he could scale up on a whim the proto-police state he had in France anyway. Still fairly amazing he managed to export the Napoleonic code such as it is.

EDIT : Trump team is examining how to peddle back on the latest environmental agreement signed in Paris and the NATO head is making a plea to the new US administration to not bail out.

So yeah good times ahead. I don't think the US will revert back to staunch isolationism but I expect an amount of undecisiveness, unwillingness to commit to international efforts (more than the usual) and maybe some sudden fits of unilateralism (Let's not forget Trump believes the US military can conduct large scale unannounced operations in the Near East to sneak on ISIS or whatever the boogeyman du jour is).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 13, 2016, 10:30:38 AM
Paul Vergčs is dead. You probably don't know who he is, neither did I. He is the founder of the Communist party in La Réunion, a French island east of Madagascar and was the oldest french Senator in activity (this honor now passes to Serge Dassault, the right wing heir of the famous plane manufacturer). He was the son of the French consul in then French Siam and Pham Thi Khang, a vietnamese teacher... and the brother of the late Jacques Vergčs, which you may know through the Barbet Schoeder interview The Terror's Advocate.

Jacques Vergčs was a lawyer with a communist bent but shifting allegiances between factions, who throughout his career defended Algerian nationalists fighting colonial France (and married one), the former Gestapo head of Lyon Klaus Barbie, the international terrorist Carlos, a variety of African potentates, Holocaust negationists, Former Red Khmer leader Khieu Samphân and a few other controversial causes célčbres. He also disappeared between 1970 and 1978, it was never found out and Jacques Vergčs never told where, how and why (beyond admitting coming back to Paris incognito a few times). Most common speculation is that he was in Red Khmer Cambodgia.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 13, 2016, 02:12:25 PM
Pro russian president elected in Bulgaria, wtf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on November 14, 2016, 03:31:53 AM
iirc, the Bulgarian "left" is really quite pro-Russia, at least in terms of if they have to choose between Russia and EU/US on something, they lean Russia

I'd have to look into it for a better explanation than maybe just preference for the Communist days
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 14, 2016, 07:46:56 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/11/12/is-trump-reaching-out-to-europes-far-right-before-he-talks-with-the-heads-of-state/?tid=a_inl

Trump team (via, surprise !, Bannon) reaching out to the french far right maybe before the head of state.
It's gonna be grand, lads. The Moscow-neofascists-Washington axis. European muslims (and jews, for that matter) must be thrilled.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on November 14, 2016, 07:56:01 PM
in fairness, that head of state isn't going to be head to state for very long into Trump's term :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 14, 2016, 07:56:32 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 14, 2016, 07:56:01 PM
in fairness, that head of state isn't going to be head to state for very long into Trump's term :doge

 :lol
 :-\
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Atramental on November 14, 2016, 08:04:57 PM
Okay alt-right, you can stop now. You've had enough. :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 15, 2016, 05:03:29 AM
Russian minister of economy arrested by the police for a 2m bribe from an oil company.

France :

Incumbent President Hollande wants to run. As I said above, his party is still doing a primary. They're all in a pickle because Hollande is very unpopular but stepping down cannot fail to reflect badly on the whole Socialist Party.

On the right, the French-Lebanese businessman Ziad Takieddine, one of the shadow broker of former French President Sarkozy has given a video interview to Mediapart where he claims he handed 3 suitcases from Lybian officials to Sarkozy & Claude Guéant (his cabinet director at the time) for their occult campaign financing. In the wake of Kadhafi being accepted back into the international community, Sarkozy conducted a very aggressive diplomatic effort to sell him weapons and other security systems while securing his help to try to put a lid on illegal immigration to the EU. Takieddine and Sarkozy are also suspected to be involved in the "Karachi affair", occult financing via kickbacks on a naval weapon systems deal, which may or may not be linked to the terrorist attack directed at a bus full of French naval engineers (14 dead including 11 Frenchmen) in 2002 : one theory of the French judges investigating is that the order came from disgruntled Pakistani middlemen not getting their bribe.

Nicolas Sarkozy is currently running in the Les Républicains primary. First round of voting is on November 20.

Meanwhile in the UK :

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Whitehall is struggling to cope with the scale of work generated by the Brexit vote and the lack of a common strategy among cabinet ministers, according to a report about a leaked Cabinet Office memo.

The note found that departments were working on more than 500 projects related to leaving the EU and may need to hire an extra 30,000 civil servants to deal with the additional work.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/15/whitehall-struggling-to-cope-with-scale-of-work-arising-from-brexit-vote
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 15, 2016, 09:17:32 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/15/venezuela-crisis-nicolas-maduro-salsa-dj-radio

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The [venezualan] president, who seems to have a near-encyclopaedic knowledge of 1970s salsa, sits in the presenter’s chair most Tuesdays and Fridays. At the end of the programme, he likes to reveal some proficient dance moves, spinning his wife, Celia Flores, AKA “the first combatant”, round the studio.

“Our people surely have the right to have some fun,” boomed Maduro to his co-host, the Latin music guru Javier Key, during the opening show.

Aware of at least one sensitivity, the video feed of the programme cut away every time the president helped himself to the plates of charcuterie and cakes that were served to keep him going during the four-hour show.

As well as introducing the songs, and occasionally shaking a couple of maracas, the president takes calls, talks politics, reads supportive messages and even signs government papers.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 16, 2016, 08:08:08 AM
Russia is withdrawing from the International Court.
We're in for a wild ride.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: archnemesis on November 16, 2016, 09:56:15 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on November 16, 2016, 08:08:08 AM
Russia is withdrawing from the International Court.
We're in for a wild ride.
USA, China and India aren't on board either.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 16, 2016, 10:30:46 AM
Quote from: archnemesis on November 16, 2016, 09:56:15 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on November 16, 2016, 08:08:08 AM
Russia is withdrawing from the International Court.
We're in for a wild ride.
USA, China and India aren't on board either.

Oh the ICC was never a perfect construct, clearly. What's more worrying is three significant powers backpedaling on international cooperation (UK leaving the EU and the US having just elected a man who claims he will renege on NATO, trade deals and the latest environmental agreement) in the space of a year.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 16, 2016, 07:30:40 PM
Follow up on the path of the French presidential election : an article on the bid of the former Minister of Economy Emmanuel Macron.
https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/11/france-macron/507893/

Maybe I'll eat crow for this but my assessment is that Macron is way over his head with this and hasn't come down of all the flattery he received for being young and good looking. He's probably dreaming of two former Presidents from the 70's : banker turned modernist Pompidou (Gaullist) or Valery Giscard D'Estaing (Centrist), youngest to be elected in the office (and another Minister of Economy) but he has no party, his popularity was pretty superficial, working class isn't the biggest fan (Macron attached his name to labor reforms, to ease restrictions on Sunday work among others) and pandering to middle class and business owners isn't exactly the most original platform in a crowded field. Centrist and / or gaullist independents have had a rough time in all recent elections and were always stomped by the right wing majority party who keeps a tight leash both on the Gaullist brand and the centrists.

Otherwise, the article points out another key fact : The current socialist Prime Minister fancies his own chances, though he'll maybe decide to groom himself for 2022.

So if you keep count at home :
- The French Socialist Party will conduct a primary with at least 9 prospective candidates.
- Incumbent French President Hollande has not yet said if he will seek a second mandate (really wants to though...) and if so if he accepts to participate in the primary of his own party.
- His prime minister, Socialist Manuel Valls, is considering his chances of running too.

Fucking french socialists man  :trash
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 17, 2016, 02:30:40 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/16/european-ministers-boris-johnson-prosecco-claim-brexit

The Brexit is turning into the biggest Monty Python skit ever.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 17, 2016, 10:49:08 AM
Italy is having a referendum on 4 December, to amend the constitution and reform the legislative institutions and their supposed impotency. Center left Primer Minister Matteo Renzi has vowed to leave office if it doesn't pass (and that's the trend according to polls) and let another one with "a decrepit system".

So that's yet another major European democracy (Italy has the 3rd biggest GDP in the Union, excluding the UK) possibly headed for some political unrest soon. Far right parties might be less of a problem presently, but a populist and civil spontaneous party headed by a comedian has done really well in the last elections and has forced an alliance between the center left and right to mount a viable cabinet.

Spain is going through similar issues (with the Podemos movement) and Belgium is more or less in a state of permanent gridlock with the flemish nationalists paralyzing the delicate balance of a complex system.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 18, 2016, 04:23:28 AM
VW slashing 30k jobs (23k in Germany) by 2021
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-emissions-overhaul-idUSKBN13D0I9

 :holeup

Promises to offset this by 9000 new jobs in electric cars but still...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 18, 2016, 10:28:09 AM
An undisclosed number of Turkish officers serving in NATO defecting ?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/18/turkish-officers-seeking-asylum-after-failed-coup-nato-chief-jens-stoltenberg

A french journalist was also detained for three days, without explanations or motives while the regime cracks down every few day on a new corporation or opposition party, recently the secular/kemalist newspaper Cumhuriyet.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: chronovore on November 20, 2016, 02:05:49 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on November 18, 2016, 04:23:28 AM
VW slashing 30k jobs (23k in Germany) by 2021
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-emissions-overhaul-idUSKBN13D0I9

 :holeup

Promises to offset this by 9000 new jobs in electric cars but still...

I have sympathy for all the workers who are paying the price for an insanely arrogant plan. Are any executives looking at jail time?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 20, 2016, 06:00:38 AM
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I have sympathy for all the workers who are paying the price for an insanely arrogant plan. Are any executives looking at jail time?

Maybe.
So probably not. So far it seems only a single engineer took the fall.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Rufus on November 20, 2016, 06:22:03 AM
That story is done as far as I can tell. Nothing more will come of it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 20, 2016, 07:13:41 AM
I wanted to correct something in my earlier post about the French presidential election.
I said former President Sarkozy, currently running in the right wing primary (first round of voting today), never did let go of the lever of directing the party : that was a mistake and I, incredibly, forgot a major crisis that made the headlines a few years ago. What I wanted to convey is that Sarkozy still had a lot of clout inside the party and a core group of supporters.

When Nicolas Sarkozy was elected President in 2007, he left the post of party chairman and tried during his mandate to keep a collection of loyal people from his circle in charge. As those things tends to happen in France, the epidemic of presidential ambitions among mediocre officials started to manifest as the 2012 election was fast approaching and things soured quite a bit between Sarkozy and the party chairman Jean-François Copé. Sarkozy's defeat in 2012 and subsequent  (short lived...) retirement from public service led to an open crisis when the party renewed its leadership, with funding scandals (both for Sarkozy & Copé) & mutual accusations of fraud in the election between incumbent Copé and Sarkozy's only Prime Minister François Fillon. I'll spare you the details, but in effect this meant the party was directed by a committee of the two factions in a state of constant crisis until Nicolas Sarkozy came back to politics in 2014 and promptly snagged the chairmanship in order to force everyone to tow the line of his new bid at France's highest office.

There's one thing Sarkozy overlooked however : during the interim crisis of 2012-2014, the right wing party (then named UMP, now LR) agreed to the principle of a presidential primary (which are a novel practice in France) and put in place an independant authority to oversee the one currently being held for 2017. One of the biggest supporter of a primary was François Fillon. Sarkozy himself never cared for it, criticized the "election in four rounds" when the Socialists held one in 2012, and always fancied himself one of those forceful political personalities imposing himself on history, destined to rule France (The Bonaparte - De Gaulle mold is still a thing). He only realized quite late that he would have to really contend, with no way to force a simple coronation (he way underestimated how divisive he is and how easy it would be to handwave the several justice cases following him).

As it turns out, polls now say that François Fillon is the dark horse in the Alain Juppé - Nicolas Sarkozy duel.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 20, 2016, 12:37:44 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-merkel-idUSKBN13E0TT

Merkel to probably run for a fourth term.
2017 is gonna be make or break for the EU. If France and/or Germany end up in a bad place, it is gonna be very rough.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: toku on November 20, 2016, 02:01:46 PM
https://twitter.com/independent/status/800316477664595968
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 20, 2016, 02:19:43 PM
Not too surprising, really. She's polling high relative to the first round which in itself would be groundbreaking for the Front National. The real question is whether she can win 50%+ in the second round against the more classical candidates. I hope the degeneracy of the French electorate has not yet reached that point, but really who can tell considering the times ? Call me prejudiced but in the (unlikely if polls are to be believed at that point) case Le Pen would face a left wing candidate, I don't trust all of the "Republican" right will reciprocate the effort leftist voters made to elect Jacques Chirac with 82% over Marine Le Pen's father.

Though current polls will be a bit fishy because there's really no good sense of who will run for the Socialists. Arnaud Montebourg and Benoit Hamon could maybe evade some of the Hollande stink, though I think Socialists are headed for a poor election either way.

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I hope some debates or whatever will be streamed online so I can have a good look at the French candidates.

Not a ton of debates in French presidential election apart from the traditional one before the second round. In 2002, Chirac refused to debate Le Pen.

EDIT :
LR (Right wing) primary is about end its first round. Estimated at 4 millions voters, higher than the 2012 Socialist primary. Higher turnout is supposed to be good for Alain Juppé. Results in 3 to 4 hours probably.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 20, 2016, 03:36:54 PM
Results of the LR primary are being counted live. 6400 or so polling stations have given results out of 10000. Countryside results up first.
Big surprise as the third man, François Fillon, who was on the rise in the last week, is in a very large lead at the moment with 42-43%.
Juppé 27% and Sarkozy 22%.
All the other candidates below 3%.
The Juppé team is a bit shocked as they seem to think that Fillon only got traction at the very end and had one decent debate performance. I guess cities could move things a little, but Fillon is a MP for Paris since 2012, he's probably bound to have some ground game in the capital too. He is also a major figure in northwestern France, having been a region president and a senator.

To speak a little bit of the conservative political platform, there are a lot of similarities between almost all candidates and frontrunners, they :
- Will abolish the wealth tax, a small contribution levied on millionaires (5 billion in revenue per year).
- Will make tax cuts (which means they'll cut spending too).
- Will lower tax on private companies
- Will increase sales tax.
- Want to kill the 35h / week labor law.
- Want to push back retirement age.
- Want to loosen rules for laying off employees.
- Want to loosen the use of firearms for police (to align it on Gendarmerie rules).
- Will not touch to the recently adopted gay marriage law.
- Will not continue on cutting back on civil nuclear power (main source of electricity in France).
- Promise to tighten the grip on immigration.

You get the picture. Vey little on social issues, environment and foreign policy.

On the matter of the EU, Sarkozy wants a new treaty, a stronger executive and less power delegation. Fillon wants a stronger executive for the Eurozone. Juppé wants to reform the EU for less bureaucracy.

Sarkozy would absolutely pander to his right, Juppé to the center.

EDIT : Things are tense at the Sarkozy HQ "Journalists leave ! Traitors ! You all vote Socialist anyway" :umad

EDIT 02 : Jean-François Copé, which I mentioned in an earlier post, is dead last with 0,3% and has only a short lead on white and blank votes.

EDIT 03 : :piss Sarkozy conceded. Will vote for Fillon in the second round. Will retire from politics... AGAIN.  :piss2

Unless Sarkozy voters are undisciplined or stay home or independent centrists come out full force, Fillon has this in the bag.

EDIT 04 : Results with 94% of stations reported

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Fillon 44,1%
Juppé 28,6%
Sarkozy 20,6%
Kosciusko-Morizet 2,6%
Le Maire 2,4%
Poisson 1,5%
Copé 0,3% (has a 2500 vote lead over the blank/null votes...)

Fillon and Juppé advance to the second and final round next week.
Sarkozy and Le Maire will side with Fillon (though Sarkozy expressed a personal preference rather than a call to his voters).
Kosciusko-Morizet sides with Juppé.

For your personal information : Kosciusko-Morizet is the least conservative by a mile. A women, not too old, elected in Paris. Le Maire is a somewhat young party guy that did well in internal elections and thought he was a contender... Guess not. Poisson is a christian conservative.

A televised debate aired on the two main channels will take place.
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Raist on November 21, 2016, 02:58:28 AM
I thought Juppé was favourite by far. He was even wrecking Le Pen in all scenarios.
I'm not sure Fillon be the better choice here, considering his time as PM wasn't exactly very popular.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 21, 2016, 03:46:52 AM
Well, Juppé time as a prime minister wasn't exactly stellar too. The strikes he triggered were of historic proportions. No matter how good his mayor of Bordeaux mandate is, it will never overshadow this. And one thing that plays against him is that he is old too. No matter what polls say, if the trend everywhere is the rejection of "the establishment", Juppé may actually be the worst candidate to field.

As for Fillon time as a prime minister, I think in a weird way he benefits from having been Sarkozy's only PM. It's a sign that he never was the center of massive discontent, he was never discarded in favor of a more X or Y figure and all in all I think people judge his time as mostly a cog for Sarkozy's leadership (God knows Sarkozy owned loudly every little thing he did). Unlike Juppé, I don't think he has any massive corruption scandal attached to his name. Fillon is also an austere devout Catholic and he has this old France feel.
EDIT : He was clearly the one chosen by the provincial Catholic conservatives and the opponents to gay marriage. He won't abrogate it or the possibilty for gay couple to adopt (or so he promised) but he certainly will freeze it as where it is now.

Aside all those considerations, fact of the matter is that the LR base may just like his stern program better than appealling to a soft crowded center. While François Hollande is a Socialist, he was also elected on strong promises of reducing deficits even if it was gonna be unpleasant (I always thought he was fairly forward with that).  He wasn't really a glamourous politician and was elected on the strengh of his supposed negociation skills. I think it's a profile in demand by French voters. Fillon is certainly the one appearing the toughest with his promess to slash half a million public jobs.

To his credit, his promise to conduct 5 referendums on massive issues (make balanced budgets a constitutional obligation  :doge , reform pensions, reforms all local governements and the congress to have less elected officials, restrict immigration) certainly counts as a substantive platform.

TLDR - Fillon is the closest thing to an actual Thatcherite we way end up with in France. 20 years late.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on November 22, 2016, 02:53:17 AM
lol at Juppe leading for the last like...three years, by huge numbers in every poll ever. Until two weeks ago, when suddenly Fillon was sneaking up on him and Sarkozy.

On the plus side, he does still beat Le Pen's shit in. Something Sarkozy wasn't consistently doing in head-to-heads. Which he had in common with Hollande.

Quote from: VomKriege on November 21, 2016, 03:46:52 AM
Aside all those considerations, fact of the matter is that the LR base may just like his stern program better than appealling to a soft crowded center.
One other factor, voters may have looked at things and said, shit, we have a better chance of facing off with Le Pen than we do a strong Socialist candidate, we can float a bit more to the right and still seem moderate.

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It worked for Hillary! :doge
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Syph on November 22, 2016, 03:04:42 AM
haven't been following French poli the last two months, hows Le Pen doing/how does she stack up in light of this?
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Post by: Raist on November 22, 2016, 03:07:45 AM
Gonna call it now: Le Pen will get to the second round. Then she'll get wrecked though.

The left ain't going to do shit. They need to sort their shit out first.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 22, 2016, 03:08:23 AM
The FN getting a consistent share did change things quite a bit on the right, yes. From 1974 to 1995, it was fairly common to see two right wing candidates running or seriously considering so until the last weeks, generally a "gaullist" and an Europhile liberal, with Chirac having a hand in all of those races. Necessity bred discipline and now the major trend is quite to the right indeed.

Regarding Emmanuel Macron, former Ministrer of Economy gone rogue independent, slighty more favorable views of him informed me that his program could be summed in three major ways :
- Contracts rather than laws, more freedom and granularity (for instance he uttered the idea that works hours per week could decrease os people get older...).
- As a counterweight to more liberalism in the workplace, have "flexible security" : unemployment benefits to be extended to people quitting jobs or one person micro-companies.
- Much policy focus on education and especially on children from 3 to 10.

A much more "Swedish" Social Democrat approach, or so I am told, without the baggage of being tied to the Socialist party, its apparatchiks and its impopularity.
But even favorable observers recognizes his lack of party is a major problem (Mélenchon, the radical left candidate, ditched parties for a grassroot organization, but he's a veteran politician) and that some good ideas do not a political project make.

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haven't been following French poli the last two months, hows Le Pen doing/how does she stack up in light of this?

At this point, with the main left party in the tank and the large number of candidates, it's very unlikely a leftist candidate can reach 20% of the vote in the first round which is the expected low floor for the conservatives and a bar that the FN can now reach in a consistent manner. Polls are confirming this so far, with Le Pen polling very high at 29%.

That being said, the sense of certainty over all this is a bit misplaced.
A center right candidate may or may not run, sucking 5 or 10% to a staunch conservative ?
If Macron gets any traction, whose votes is he drilling ?
Green party performance is a total crapshoot to predict.
Communists may not run in the presidency, that's probably 2 to 3% going for Mélenchon.
Socialists haven't chosen a candidate yet and that will impact how the vote flows on the left depending.

We talked about Fillon being a pretty austere, uncharismatic guy. Juppé is the same but he has some intellectual chops. People speculate French citizen are in demand of that, but the reverse could easily be true.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on November 22, 2016, 03:32:10 AM
I think it's just kind of a "historical certainty" that as we're seeing around the world isn't holding up much anymore.

Like you look at the last poll and FN and Republicans grab a combined 46-64% in all the various scenarios of the first round. Most of the parties that are to the left of them are getting like 5-15% shares individually, which makes it incredibly hard to even get into the second round. Then you have all the various even smaller parties getting around 1-3%. As long as the two major right parties can hold 50+% first round share, it's really really hard to get anybody else into the second round simply out of the vote splitting factor.

Hollande and Sarkozy got 29% and 27% in 2012; Sarkozy and Royal got 31% and 26% in 2007. The low bar was Chirac in 2002 (20% first round, 17% for Le Pen) and 1995 (21%, 23% for Jospin). Every other first round in the Fifth Republic, the advancing two parties have grabbed 50+% of the vote share in the first round.

As you mention, when the center-right doesn't "break" apart AND you have FN effectively getting a "bye" like it seems they might, it's going to be hard for any center-left party to make it unless they all backed somebody in both rounds to prevent it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 22, 2016, 03:36:39 AM
I think Mélenchon might actually be the only one capable of an upset in the first round. But he would need to overperform, the Socialists to do a terrible score (in fact, best case scenario for Mélenchon is Hollande being nominated : he could eat him alive) and either Le Pen or Fillon/Juppé to poll low. So... yeah. Or maybe Socialists will poll high, but whoever the candidate is will have to pull of a bit of a miracle campaign to do so.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on November 22, 2016, 03:44:45 AM
Speaking of Germany, I once had a friend in grad school from there and he was doing the lamentation about the American electoral process thing, and I was like "lets have you explain the Bundesrat to someone."

Also, how seats in the Bundestag are allocated.

I love Germany's system, and France's. :heart
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 22, 2016, 05:20:05 AM
Another strike at Eurowings, Lufthansa subsidiary, in a couple major airports (incl. Hamburg). A german may correct me but those pop up every two years or so, don't they ?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Raist on November 22, 2016, 06:06:10 AM
It' been Germanwings (now Eurowings) like clockwork yes. Occasionally Lufthansa too (not german, but I used to fly germanwings every now and then).

I guess being treated as second tier doesn't work for them. "Low-cost" spin-offs of major companies like LH is a bad idea.
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Post by: Rufus on November 22, 2016, 07:11:42 AM
Yeah, sometimes it's just the pilots, then it's the flight attendants' turn and so on. Never paid close attetion.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 22, 2016, 07:29:24 AM
Quote from: Raist on November 22, 2016, 06:06:10 AM
It' been Germanwings (now Eurowings) like clockwork yes. Occasionally Lufthansa too (not german, but I used to fly germanwings every now and then).
I guess being treated as second tier doesn't work for them. "Low-cost" spin-offs of major companies like LH is a bad idea.

Coming soon in France ! That's exactly the plan laid by Air France.

I mentioned that in the other thread, but Trump saying that Nigel Farage would make a good UK ambassador to the US may look at first like yet another candid outburst when it is in fact starting to look like he is actually helping in pressuring the Tory governement to accept Farage (and UKIP) as a legitimate political partner :

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/22/nigel-farage-uk-ambassador-us-donald-trump

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/14/pm-betraying-national-interest-by-rejecting-my-trump-offer-says-farage
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Raist on November 22, 2016, 01:50:44 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on November 22, 2016, 07:29:24 AM
Quote from: Raist on November 22, 2016, 06:06:10 AM
It' been Germanwings (now Eurowings) like clockwork yes. Occasionally Lufthansa too (not german, but I used to fly germanwings every now and then).
I guess being treated as second tier doesn't work for them. "Low-cost" spin-offs of major companies like LH is a bad idea.

Coming soon in France ! That's exactly the plan laid by Air France.


Isn't that what Hop! is already?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 22, 2016, 05:33:40 PM
Quote from: Raist on November 22, 2016, 01:50:44 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on November 22, 2016, 07:29:24 AM
Quote from: Raist on November 22, 2016, 06:06:10 AM
It' been Germanwings (now Eurowings) like clockwork yes. Occasionally Lufthansa too (not german, but I used to fly germanwings every now and then).
I guess being treated as second tier doesn't work for them. "Low-cost" spin-offs of major companies like LH is a bad idea.

Coming soon in France ! That's exactly the plan laid by Air France.


Isn't that what Hop! is already?

Not familiar with this one, but they announced recently "Air France Boost" on long distance flights to compete with Gulf airlines. Supposedly not a low cost and will use voluntary Air France personnel (with lower wages and benefits IIRC). Hop! seems mostly focused on national flights (with a handful of european routes).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Raist on November 23, 2016, 02:59:21 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on November 22, 2016, 05:33:40 PM
Quote from: Raist on November 22, 2016, 01:50:44 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on November 22, 2016, 07:29:24 AM
Quote from: Raist on November 22, 2016, 06:06:10 AM
It' been Germanwings (now Eurowings) like clockwork yes. Occasionally Lufthansa too (not german, but I used to fly germanwings every now and then).
I guess being treated as second tier doesn't work for them. "Low-cost" spin-offs of major companies like LH is a bad idea.

Coming soon in France ! That's exactly the plan laid by Air France.


Isn't that what Hop! is already?

Not familiar with this one, but they announced recently "Air France Boost" on long distance flights to compete with Gulf airlines. Supposedly not a low cost and will use voluntary Air France personnel (with lower wages and benefits IIRC). Hop! seems mostly focused on national flights (with a handful of european routes).

Well they are fairly similar cases.

Eurowings was a regional / national commuter airline, LH got involved (read: bought stocks) and pushed for the creation of Germanwings, progressively offloading their short-distance flights to GW, since less and less people were willing to pay the ridiculous LH prices for short-distance. And now they've regrouped/rebranded GW back into EW.

Hop! is made of various short-distance airlines that used to be occasional contractors for AF. Although I'm not quite sure what their current status is. As in, pretty much fully owned by AF like GW/EW or not.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on November 23, 2016, 08:26:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1JLEIX37ro
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 24, 2016, 01:48:58 PM
At least 100 Shia pilgrims dead in an attack by the IS in Iraq. The city of Haďfa in Israël is undergoing mass evacuations because of several fires, maybe started by one or several arsonists.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: brawndolicious on November 24, 2016, 03:30:28 PM
When my brother and his wife went to that area of Iraq 6 months ago, they said that they and the locals weren't worried about IS because they were hundreds of miles away. Small cells everywhere is probably going to be the new normal.
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Post by: VomKriege on November 26, 2016, 10:46:31 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/26/mass-killings-as-rebels-target-ethnic-fulanis-in-central-african-republic

Another day, another horror in Centrafrique.

Speaking of which, Africa was never mentioned in the latest right wing primary debate despite French presence in several regions. Sarkozy had famously said in a speech given in Sénégal that "the African man had not yet enough entered History" which as you can imagine didn't really made him a darling down south. François Fillon has been caught a couple of times being very apologetic to the history of French colonization and the word is that unlike many other French politician he doesn't have any network there.
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Post by: Syph on November 26, 2016, 04:30:16 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on November 24, 2016, 01:48:58 PM
At least 100 Shia pilgrims dead in an attack by the IS in Iraq. The city of Haďfa in Israël is undergoing mass evacuations because of several fires, maybe started by one or several arsonists.
Israel fires: Al-Qaeda linked Palestinian militant group 'claims responsibility' for devastating Haifa blaze (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-fires-haifa-jerusalem-terror-palestinian-militant-group-ma-sadat-al-mujahideen-mount-carmel-a7439271.html)

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An al-Qaeda linked militant group has claimed responsibility for starting a devastating fire in the Israeli city of Haifa that forced tens of thousands of people to flee their homes.

Ma’sadat al-Mujahideen, a Palestinian Salafist group, has claimed to be behind several previous blazes in Israel, including the Mount Carmel forest fire that killed more than 40 people near Haifa in 2010.


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There is no proof of the group’s involvement in the blaze, or others they claimed near Jerusalem in 2011 and in the American state of Nevada in the following year.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 27, 2016, 06:53:30 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/27/wife-of-putin-official-performs-in-concentration-camp-ice-dance
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 28, 2016, 02:56:36 PM
Your French politics update :

As you may have heard, Fillon won the second round of the right's primary in a landslide.
Meanwhile there's some sparks in the government (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/28/france-government-in-turmoil-as-socialist-infighting-grows) as both incumbent Hollande, despite abject impopularity, and the Prime Minister fancies their own chances.

The French Communists party members ultimately decided to side with Jean-Luc Mélenchon, the biggest radical left candidate, despite the collaboration between the two having been much problem ridden in the past.

I spoke of Mélenchon before and I might vote for him, though I have several issues with his program, as it seems clear the Socialists probably couldn't find their way out of a paper bag right now.

To give you a clearer idea of Mélenchon's project, here's the main propositions :
- Mélenchon wants to call a constitutional assembly to rewrite the constitution for a VIth republic which would transform back France into a parliamentary regime with more constitutional social overtones. Once completed he would step down. Mélenchon is 65 years old and I have been told, by someone familiar with his organization, that he didn't want to run in this election but the prospective candidate (his campaign manager) died.
- He wants to impose 35h/week as the real standard for full employment, retirement at 60 yo (currently 62), 1700 euros as the monthly minimum wage (1466 as of now).
- Will cut all subsidies to companies (currently public spending is paying their dues to national healthcare and such on low wages, 30 billions euros a year) and tax financial transactions, have the state buy shares in strategic companies to strenghten its position, among other things.
- Is likely to unilaterally make some changes to public debt, Mélenchon is not a big believer of this.
- Want a "green planification" for a better transition to environment friendly infrastructure. Lot of lip service to investment in progress and technology (France has the second largest territorial waters, lots of assets for science and space). Foreign policy much turned to French speaking African countries & the Med, hoping to foster more positive, equal relationships. Mélenchon is very much into the idea of France as an enlightnement beacon.

The more contentious dimensions are as follows :
- He wants to back out of several European treaties, mostly those straightjacketing public finances. Which mean imploding the EU as it now exists with no certainty of making something better work.
- He wants to leave NATO.

The former is probably bound to happen in the near future (Either that of the EU just crumbling), though I am not too psyched for it. I'm very cold on the latter, though France had a 40 years stint out of joint command. Would be more wise to see what exactly the Trump administration intend to do with NATO.
Mélenchon foreign policy is all the more suspect to me as he always had some fondness for Chavez (and Castro, as he loudly remembered everyone just yesterday...), not exactly the most reassuring examples to have.

As a person, he is forceful, loud, populist, charismatic (certainly more than anything the Socialists, Communists or Greens can field). He's been in politics for long and he knows the game well. In case of a potential victory he might run into some of the same issues you could expect from a far right win : lack of personnel to man the key positions (or win a majority) in the administration and would probably have to collaborate with Socialists.
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Post by: VomKriege on November 29, 2016, 01:53:26 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/29/lapo-elkann-agnelli-family-faking-kidnap-fiat

You extort 10k$ out of your billionaire family ?
:confused
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Post by: brawndolicious on November 29, 2016, 05:05:51 PM
Maybe he wanted to troll his family. I don't know what it's like in Europe, but cash withdrawals of $10,000 or more require the account holder to fill out a form reporting the withdrawal and there can be serious jail time if they find out you lied about what the cash was for.

With $10k, that's just enough to fuel a coke bender and embarrass your family.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on November 30, 2016, 04:41:46 AM
French national police may have facilitated the importation of 40 tons of cannabis "to infiltrate & bust networks" without submitting itself to its obligations to do so under strict supervision of a judge. Not only are the size of the shipments ludicrous but uncovered communications between several high ranking police officials also points out that those were brought in with the help of an informant, a major player in the European trade and a rival to the police target, which was at the behest of the same officials set free early (Only did 5 years of his 13 years condamnation). His implication was, according to judges, obfuscated. It all came crashing when Customs interfered & seized 7 tons in a Paris loft.

François Molins, the Paris attorney general, took the case off the hands of the suspected officials to give it to the Paris police section*. The informant was brought back in France from Belgium where he fled and is now asking to be cross examined with his handlers, whose orders he claims to have followed all along.

* Technically part of national police but enjoy large autonomy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 30, 2016, 10:09:00 AM
Quote from: brawndolicious on November 24, 2016, 03:30:28 PM
When my brother and his wife went to that area of Iraq 6 months ago, they said that they and the locals weren't worried about IS because they were hundreds of miles away. Small cells everywhere is probably going to be the new normal.

The attack was in Irbil. It's like 50 miles from Mosul which is still partly under control by IS.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Syph on November 30, 2016, 06:02:20 PM
OPEC oh boy
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 30, 2016, 06:55:56 PM
Should be good for Canada's economy. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on December 01, 2016, 03:06:08 PM
Incumbent French President François Hollande has announced he won't seek reelection. Also said his only regret is to have floated back the idea of stripping citizenship for terrorists, a stupid idea indeed.

I am surprised, to be honest, thought the hubris would get the best of him. It's probably the best he could do to soften the blow for the Socialists, though it is still an admission of defeat.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Syph on December 01, 2016, 03:30:37 PM
What are the arguments for and against stripping a convicted terrorist of citizenship?
And why is the left categorically opposed? Genuinely curious; I haven't really thought about this before.

Is the biggest complaint similar to the death penalty? In the sense that there is always the possibility you make a mistake?
You would think the bar is higher for terrorism convictions though, no?
I'm sure someone will point to indefinite detentions in Guantanamo Bay, but some of the ones that were released weren't charged in the end, so that wouldn't apply..?

Or is it simply "what is terrorism"?

And it was for people with dual citizenships anyway wasn't it?
One of the articles I read compares it to leaving Jews stateless, but if here the parties start with dual citizenship then..?
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 01, 2016, 03:46:45 PM
1) There are still many at gitmo who can not be released and can not be charged.  They are in jail forever with no hope of a trial.  This is fundamentally wrong.  Having people spend a decade of their life then be released without a trail is also fundamentally wrong. 
2) It can lead to people with no citizenship who will end up sitting in jail because no country will have them.  Having dual citizenship doesn't mean that the other country will accept them back.
3) It can lead to people being sent to countries where they will be tortured and killed.
4) You lose control of them.  I'd rather have them in our prison than a Pakistani one they can buy their way out of.   
5) It's a feel good non-solution.
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Post by: Syph on December 01, 2016, 03:52:05 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on December 01, 2016, 03:46:45 PM
1) There are still many at gitmo who can not be released and can not be charged.  They are in jail forever with no hope of a trial.  This is fundamentally wrong.  Having people spend a decade of their life then be released without a trail is also fundamentally wrong. 
2) It can lead to people with no citizenship who will end up sitting in jail because no country will have them.  Having dual citizenship doesn't mean that the other country will accept them back.
3) It can lead to people being sent to countries where they will be tortured and killed.
4) You lose control of them.  I'd rather have them in our prison than a Pakistani one they can buy their way out of.   
5) It's a feel good non-solution.
1) I was specifically talking about those who have been convicted; I brought up Gitmo to distinguish it
2) Good point
3-4) We're talking about terrorists...I'm a bit confused how #2 and 4 don't contradict eachother; I agree with your "buying their way out of" point, but I feel like your points are in conflict.
No citizenship so they can't go anywhere but you want them in your jail anyway?
Not being accepted by their other country of citizenship is a good point though

I can see it being a problem for "fringe" terrorists or ones who let's say have been convicted to short sentences (although that's a whole other topic) but what about lifers? (obviously the law would have to apply for all; this is a thought experiment)
Would indefinite detention be a big deal when they're already serving a life sentence? In this case your 5th point would indeed be true; it would basically be a symbolic gesture
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 01, 2016, 03:59:57 PM
Sitting in jail waiting for a deportation is not the same as being convinced and sent to a prison.  Also how do you deal with appeals, is citizenship stripped after the first conviction or do you wait for like a decade until all appeals are exhausted?  If its the former I think its wrong if its the latter then what's the point after all that time? 

For your edit:  Because being in prison as a citizen is a lot different than being in prison as a non-citizen and we can look at prisoners treatment at gitmo to see the exact difference.  If you strip somones citizenship and still keep them in your jail you are not burdened by treating them with the same protections as citizens and this will lead to abuse. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 01, 2016, 04:05:01 PM
Giving the government the power to unilaterally strip someone of citizenship, considering how sometimes nebulous the definition of "terrorism" can be, just seems like a really bad idea all the way around. I mean, I hate the "slippery slope" argument as a general rule, but this seems like an area where that would definitely apply. Similar to the use of torture. It's just a bad idea, don't do it at all, no matter what the justification is.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Syph on December 01, 2016, 04:07:16 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on December 01, 2016, 03:59:57 PM
Sitting in jail waiting for a deportation is not the same as being convinced and sent to a prison.  Also how do you deal with appeals, is citizenship stripped after the first conviction or do you wait for like a decade until all appeals are exhausted?  If its the former I think its wrong if its the latter then what's the point after all that time?
I agree the former would be wrong, and as to the latter, I don't know; again, I've never thought about stripping someone of citizenship before.

Where does one go when they are stateless?

I guess the general argument for stripping ( :doge) would be you don't want a terrorist in your country? I can sympathize with that
What's nagging me is thinking now about terrorists convicted to a definite sentence, suppose 5 years, and being released. And how this can be reduced to retribution vs. rehabilitation...
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Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 01, 2016, 04:05:01 PM
Giving the government the power to unilaterally strip someone of citizenship, considering how sometimes nebulous the definition of "terrorism" can be, just seems like a really bad idea all the way around. I mean, I hate the "slippery slope" argument as a general rule, but this seems like an area where that would definitely apply. Similar to the use of torture. It's just a bad idea, don't do it at all, no matter what the justification is.
I agree, so I was initially stressing to consider the case of someone convicted and sentenced to a life sentence (which, again, can be imperfect). But yea, "slippery slope" definitely applies here
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 01, 2016, 04:08:48 PM
How's that different from any other criminal act that lands you in prison for a similar period of time, though? Rapists and murders get released back into society all the time, citizenship intact.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Syph on December 01, 2016, 04:12:00 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 01, 2016, 04:08:48 PM
How's that different from any other criminal act that lands you in prison for a similar period of time, though? Rapists and murders get released back into society all the time, citizenship intact.
I could answer this by saying 1. they should be stripped too or 2. terrorists occupy a special case or 3. neither

I honestly don't know what I would answer.
It always bothered me growing up in Canada how our laws were more lenient than America, but the law is the law, so if you "serve your time" you "deserve" to be let back into society. Interesting to think about though
Again it has some valid slippery slope connotations, not to mention the myriad of caveats or defenses for murder. Rape though? Maybe that would be a little closer to terrorism (what a sentence that was to write)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on December 01, 2016, 04:14:41 PM
First, there's already provisions in French law to strip people of citizenship if they "harm the core interest of the nation" but it only applies to people having received French citizenship 10 to 15 before max, not to any natural born citizen (It's unclear that law saw a lot of use). The government was so unsure of itself that a law could survive cross examination by courts (French or European) that they wanted to pass it into the constitution via an amendment.

While France never ratified or made some of the treaties effective law, it has signed a number of treaties and documents which state pretty firmly that you can't create apatrid people (including the 1948 declaration of Human Rights). The President, Prime Minister and a number of other major political figures confirmed this position. The reason for that is self evident, as a person without a citizenship is denied most form of recourses and appeals anyone is expected to have.
Stripping binational people of their rights as citizens just out of convenience (something the UK does, I believe, to some citizens who may have fled to the Middle East to wage Jihad), isn't super kosher in itself though maybe less problematic in international law.

Hence the law would only be applied to people with dual nationalities. It's already dumb, possibly discriminatory. It only covers a small minority of French citizens (5% estimated). It's probably not gonna make people willing to blow themselves up think twice. It can only be applied on convicted terrorists (hence after years and years of trials and appeals) and doesn't have a purpose unlike jailing which at the very least isolate dangerous people and keep them available for justice.

As Arvie said, it was a ton of effort for a morally questionable law and a feel-good non-solution.

Besides, it was a prolitical mistake and liability for the current French government to use this idea.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Syph on December 01, 2016, 04:16:33 PM
Thanks for the background
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on December 03, 2016, 03:46:48 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/03/aung-san-suu-kyi-accuses-international-community-of-stoking-unrest-in-myanmar

I had forgotten she was in charge of the government there...

EDIT :

https://www.theatlantic.com/liveblogs/2016/12/news-today/509381/12149/

Aleppo's Beloved Clown Is Killed in an Airstrike

Fuck this is depressing.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 03, 2016, 07:48:46 PM
holy shit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 03, 2016, 08:46:19 PM
 :what
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Syph on December 04, 2016, 06:54:50 PM
austria's far-right party comes up short, while italy's PM concedes
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on December 05, 2016, 05:15:21 AM
Italy is still far from deciding on leaving the Euro or the EU but I think the Union as it stands is toasted in the coming years unless there's a real economic uptake (maybe one triggered by future US and British policies) trickling down to the discontents. This cycle of elections (France, Germany and Italy no later than mid-2018) are, I fear, the last shot before nasty parties become real contenders to key offices.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on December 05, 2016, 01:09:58 PM
French Prime Minister Manuel Valls will also resign tomorrow as he just announced his bid to run in the Socialist primary for the upcoming presidential election, now that incumbent Hollande has declined seeking re-election. A new government will be formed with loyalists to manage the last few months.

Valls may be facing an uphill battle in the primary and not only because he will come with the baggage of his official duties. In 2011's primary he barely got 6% of the votes despite being a known figure at the time. Valls has always been characterized as "to the right" of the PS and certainly fancies himself as a law & order, stern defender of the republic, type. So much so in fact that his agressiveness and haughtiness is sometimes reminiscent of Nicolas Sarkozy personal demeanor, not exactly one the French citizens are fond of right now.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on December 06, 2016, 08:57:18 AM
Bibi doesn't like his statue :

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/06/king-bibi-netanyahu-statue-attacked-by-israeli-culture-minister
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Syph on December 06, 2016, 05:28:47 PM
Angela Merkel endorses burka ban 'wherever legally possible' (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38226081)

 :umad
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Rufus on December 06, 2016, 05:44:26 PM
"Wherever possible" is a pretty big hedge.

It's business as usual for her. She 'supports' whatever the polls say.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 06, 2016, 06:39:21 PM
Quote from: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/12/investigators-philippine-police-killed-jailed-mayor-161206140015143.html
Philippine police killed a town mayor linked to illegal drugs while he was helpless in a prison cell, justice department investigators alleged.

The National Bureau of Investigation said on Tuesday that it filed murder complaints against two dozen police officers and personnel last week after a probe showed they shot dead Mayor Rolando Espinosa and his cellmate Raul Yap in the central province of Leyte in November.

"The pieces of evidence, both testimonial and the forensic evidence, all agree. We believe we have a very strong case," said Ferdinand Lavin, the NBI's deputy director.

Prosecutors will rule whether there is enough evidence to indict the policemen.

The finding contradicted claims by the accused and President Rodrigo Duterte that the victims were killed in a gun battle.

Duterte had accused Espinosa, mayor of the town of Albuera in the eastern province of Leyte, of being a drug lord. He had initially given police "shoot-to-kill" orders if Espinosa did not surrender, prompting the mayor to turn himself in.

NBI said the policemen most likely planted pistols and illegal drugs in their jail cells to justify a police raid.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Rufus on December 07, 2016, 08:46:27 AM
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'Too Much Jewish Content' Gets Head of Berlin's Polish Institute Fired
Sources say dismissal was due to liberal views of center's director, who arranged screenings of Holocaust film and other activities that upset Warsaw's right-wing government.
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/.premium-1.757229

 :crazy
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 07, 2016, 10:20:45 AM
Poland, what are ya doing?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on December 08, 2016, 12:12:44 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/07/world/asia/rodrigo-duterte-philippines-drugs-killings.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Jesus Christ.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 08, 2016, 12:19:43 PM
Quote from: Rufus on December 07, 2016, 08:46:27 AM
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'Too Much Jewish Content' Gets Head of Berlin's Polish Institute Fired
Sources say dismissal was due to liberal views of center's director, who arranged screenings of Holocaust film and other activities that upset Warsaw's right-wing government.
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/.premium-1.757229

 :crazy

Here's the new head:
http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=44659
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 08, 2016, 12:22:54 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on December 08, 2016, 12:12:44 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/07/world/asia/rodrigo-duterte-philippines-drugs-killings.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Jesus Christ.

I mean, you've got the President of the freaking country telling people "Just go out and gun down drug users/dealers, we won't punish you! We'll even reward you!" So, best case scenario here is that you've got several thousand drug users/dealers dead without even a formal accusation, much less an actual trial, which is bad enough. Worst case scenario, at least some of people dead weren't connected to drugs at all, but were killed for other reasons and the connection to drugs was made after their death. And they're, what?, only about six months into Duterte's term? Crazy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on December 09, 2016, 08:53:21 AM
UK Cabinet is looking pretty good after the latest row between Prime Minister May and Foreign Secretary Johnson over the latter's remarks on Saudi Arabia.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/09/theresa-may-put-downs-some-muttering-darkly-anti-boris-johnson-plot

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There is a growing pattern emerging from Downing Street, some of May’s colleagues say, of a regime that’s a bit too controlling, a bit too ready to bare its teeth in public. (...) The prime minister used one interview this week, with the Spectator, to criticise her own civil servants (...) Most striking was her off-the-cuff remark at a Spectator awards ceremony, comparing her foreign secretary to the out-of-control dog choked by Michael Heseltine. “Boris, the dog was put down when its master decided it wasn’t needed any more,” she said.

British Boreans may confirm this, but Miss May is trying a little too hard being the Tinpot Lady ?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Mupepe on December 09, 2016, 10:17:52 AM
because semantics make for a convenient deflection tool.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Brehvolution on December 09, 2016, 10:52:08 AM
Moroccan women :noah
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Mupepe on December 09, 2016, 11:06:45 AM
Quote from: Dufus on December 09, 2016, 10:22:41 AM
What really makes it amazing is that Wilders tweeted himself, "these judges think Morocco the country is a race! Insane!" :doge

And he has a shot at becoming our new Prime Minister. :doge
Trump, huh?  Well, alright.

Quote from: Brehvolution on December 09, 2016, 10:52:08 AM
Moroccan women :noah
Elektrikluv?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Brehvolution on December 09, 2016, 11:30:38 AM
Quote from: Mupepe on December 09, 2016, 11:06:45 AM
Quote from: Brehvolution on December 09, 2016, 10:52:08 AM
Moroccan women :noah
Elektrikluv?

:noah
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Rufus on December 09, 2016, 02:39:51 PM
Quote from: Dufus on December 09, 2016, 02:20:48 PM
I guess I should bookmark my favorite gifs or something. I don't know what's the most useful way of this shit doing.

And I thought I was good at computers. :derp
Rehost them all in an imgur album? (http://i.imgur.com/G36Lf41.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: bluemax on December 10, 2016, 12:17:45 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzNuLLgUoAAt77y.jpg)

There was a protest dog at the South Korea protests yesterday.

Also the South Korean ex president is batshit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on December 10, 2016, 03:12:35 PM
Daech reinvested Palmyre in Syria and one or two explosions occured in Istanbul  :-\
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: chronovore on December 10, 2016, 11:07:48 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on December 08, 2016, 12:12:44 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/07/world/asia/rodrigo-duterte-philippines-drugs-killings.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Jesus Christ.

I am really enjoying the presentation / format of that story. Slick as hell.

The content is terrifying. That's the kind of insanity I fear the USA will fall under during Trump's term.

TRUMP FUN FACT: His first term has already had a movie deal put in place for Purge 4.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on December 11, 2016, 02:42:34 AM
Meanwhile, in Israël...

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Bitan was asked for his opinion on Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's use of social media, including his Election Day video in which he called on his supporters to vote, warning that the "the Arabs are going to the polls in droves." Bitan, who is considered close to Netanyahu, said: "I'd rather the Arabs won't go to the polls in droves, and won't come to the polls at all."

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.758120

In Nigeria, Boko Haram targets schools and teachers, sometimes using former students to carry the attacks.

http://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-nigeria-boko-haram-teachers-20161020-story.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Syph on December 11, 2016, 02:49:40 AM
context

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"Ninety-five percent of them vote for the Joint List that doesn't represent Israeli Arabs, but Palestinian interests," Knesset member David Bitan told the audience at a public event in Mevaseret Zion, near Jerusalem, referring to Israel's predominantly Arab party.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on December 11, 2016, 03:17:11 AM
...says the dude that prefers Israeli-Arabs not to vote.
And even if you take it at face value... Well, yeah so what ? Voters are entitled to their choices.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Syph on December 11, 2016, 04:41:47 AM
im not disagreeing with you i was just providing some modicum of context
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on December 11, 2016, 09:59:02 AM
Tales from the French Socialist Primary [part (?)]

"It's not the socialist primary, it's the citizen primary of the beautiful popular alliance ( ::))"
The "beautiful popular alliance" gave a nice illustration of just how shambolic the PS is by trying yet once again -unsuccessfully- to ask Mr Macron (independent center left candidate) and Mr Mélenchon (radical left) to participate in while refusing simultaneously to admit a few small candidates in (notably Pierre Larrouturou, french economist & politician) for being "interested too late in the process".

Dropped out : Marie-Noëlle Lienemann, french senator, who doesn't want to divide further the votes of the "radicals" for which there's already a competition between Mr Hamon and Mr Montebourg.

May be running : Sylvia Pinel for the Left Radical Party (PRG for the french short form). Radicals are not "radicals" as in "far left" but a small party carrying the name (with another, center right, Radical Party) of a formerly very popular form of Third Republic leftism. The PRG had been for a long time a subservient ally of the Socialist Party but this year they decided to nominate Miss Pinel as their candidate for the Presidency outside of the primary... but are now considering fielding her in the primary. Go figure. Probably got a stern lecture to know their place and play the game by the rules...

Going in : Vincent Peillon, former Minister of Education (2012-2014). Not too sure where he falls on the spectrum, to be honest (to the left of Valls, no doubt). That would be the fourth minister (!) of one of Hollande's cabinet to run in this primary and probably one (if not two) too many, gives the impression that Socialist "elephants" (as the apparatchiks are often called here) are all coming out of the woodwork.

Current expected count : 10-11 candidates.

Former Prime Minister Manuel Valls has a tough road ahead of him because he must now unite the party if he wants to win the primary, which is really not his strong point as up until now he was the "iconoclast social-liberal", one that once famously said there were "irreconcilable positions" within the French Left. Unfairly or not, he will have to assume the heritage of the governement he was a part of and there's already an independent candidate chasing his core electorate.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on December 11, 2016, 07:41:08 PM
Who Killed Alexander Perepilichny?
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/01/the-poison-flower/508736/

Another chilling tale of a Russian who may have been poisoned for whistleblowing a massive fraud case he was part of to the aggrieved party. With yet again no definitive evidence of the Kremlin involvement.
Article does a good job at laying its investigation and giving appropriate space to the history of exotic poison in general and its use by Russian spooks in particular.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on December 11, 2016, 07:55:02 PM
I forget who wrote it, but it was years ago during the Ukranian stuff, that someone else suggested that the Russians are "deliberately bad" at their poisoning because it's supposed to send a message, not be a secret.

Also the improbable "suicides" where guys like put their toes in the triggers of guns and stuff while hanging themselves.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on December 12, 2016, 07:47:32 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/12/colombia-brutal-and-death-of-girl-shocks-country-marred-by

Colombia shaken by the rape and murder of a young girl.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on December 12, 2016, 06:36:15 PM
Venezuela is retiring the 100 bolivar bill in a surprise and hasty announcement to replace it with much higher denominations :

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN14127P?il=0
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Syph on December 12, 2016, 06:44:48 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on December 12, 2016, 06:36:15 PM
Venezuela is retiring the 100 bolivar bill in a surprise and hasty announcement to replace it with much higher denominations :

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN14127P?il=0
lol that is not the solution but alllright
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on December 14, 2016, 04:06:20 AM
Nothing new, unfortunately, but what is happening in the Philippines is just so terrible...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/14/philippines-president-rodrigo-duterte-personally-killed-criminals

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“In Davao I used to do it personally. Just to show to the guys [police officers] that if I can do it, why can’t you” (...) The former mayor was nicknamed “Duterte Harry”

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 14, 2016, 07:16:57 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on December 10, 2016, 03:12:35 PM
Daech reinvested Palmyre in Syria and one or two explosions occured in Istanbul  :-\

Hadn't seen that one before. I love your French perspective, VK.

Check out the Russian base they took in Palmyra:

https://twitter.com/jacm212/status/808676620810723328

Remember when Russian said they were deploying to Syria to fight IS then they started obliterating Homs and then Aleppo while saying with a straight face they supported the Free Syrian army?

https://twitter.com/rt_com/status/676591063000219650
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on December 14, 2016, 08:11:47 AM
We are having the same ridiculous debates in France about how to label religious/political groups using violence and the Islamic State. The current French government has decided across the board to use Daech, apparently to deny them the moniker of "state". A weird argument since it is really just a romanized version of the arab version of the ISIL acronym which has the word "state" in it but yeah I get the idea at least as far as domestic comsumption go. Really I suspect it just rolls out the tongue better than EIIL (ISIL in english) or EI (IS) and how it is said has more of a sinister ring to it. Sarkozy was recently insisting more of using the french version of "Islamic state", emphasis on "islamic" of course, with pretty much the same arguments you hear used against Barack Obama.

With regards to Russia, as I said before, it's not really surprising they would face most of the same issues as any of the western interventions, if not more for lack of recent experience, because despite having a naval base on-site, they are probably straining their capacities, especially compounded with the forces they must keep at Ukraine's door : several (western) observers are convinced they may be looking for an out in Ukraine and bargaining for the US/UE sanctions being lifted but regardless of the big gains they're maybe due on that front in a few months with Trump (giving UE countries, which are losing a lot more than the US from business opportunities in Russia, an excuse to follow suit), they're probably discovering that a decent exit from intervention in the middle east isn't neat and at their leisure.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 14, 2016, 08:22:55 AM
I'm with you on the Da'ash thing not making sense if you are trying to not use an acronym that includes state.

As for Russia, I think your straining assessment is correct. This is unprecedentedly embarrassing for them. Sure, IS took Iraqi bases filled with US equipment, but IS never took an American base. Shows how much military power Russia actually has compared to how much they project.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on December 14, 2016, 08:36:35 AM
Regarding the loss of Palmyra, the Russian official line is to imply the US-led coalition is at fault here, if not outright orchestrating it :

https://www.rt.com/news/370019-isis-palmyra-new-offensive/

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Lavrov said the IS fighters appear to have come to Palmyra from Mosul, where the offensive against them has intensified, and that they have apparently moved through routes "patrolled" by the US-led coalition's aviation, which "makes one think that the whole [situation] has been orchestrated." "I hope I'm wrong," Lavrov added, however.

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Former UK ambassador to Syria Peter Ford told RT (...) "I don't think you have to be a genius to work out that there are plans afoot to decamp the ISIS rebels from Mosul into eastern Syria, and this will play into the American narrative that Assad can't control the countryside in Syria and that he's not a good ally in the fight against ISIS"

I'm not gonna pretend to comment on military operations and to have an opinion on whether or not the US coalition could or should have conducted operations there, but it doesn't really make it look much better for them.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 14, 2016, 10:44:31 AM
What's with all these former UK ambassadors being idiots? Yes, attacking Mosul is going to send IS into Syria—where, incidentally, the US has been picking off IS leaders one by one (or sometimes in groups like these latest Charlie Hebdo-linked guys) and providing air support for the SDF in their Raqqa offensive. It isn't an American "narrative" that Assad can't control the countryside, it's fact. And apparently neither can Russia.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on December 16, 2016, 03:58:20 AM
Philippines is now saying they wouldn't object to China militarizing the contested Spratly isles, which they have started to do :

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1450VE

With the demise of TPP, Trump heating up the Taiwan issue (an editorial in state run Global Times suggested China should increase readiness of the plan to invade Formosa) and a legal dispute at the WTO with the USA and the EU, it seems the PRC is starting to push everywhere to gauge President Trump as soon as he will take office.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on December 16, 2016, 08:08:20 AM
French billionaire Bolloré, the leading actor behind Vivendi, is implicated in yet another business expansion, now in Spain :

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mediapro-m-a-idUSKBN1451L9?il=0

You probably heard of the long term takeover Vivendi is performing on Ubisoft but they also recently started hostile moves towards Mediaset (Berlusconi media group) and became the owner of French channel Canal+ (on subscription, very big actor in French cinema and European sport broadcast, hit hard by on demand video and Qatar funded BeIn Sport) where the brutal management led the news redaction to open conflict (one third of the employees will probably leave of their own accord for ethics concerns).

Vivendi is an extension of a former water utility company (though that whole branch was severed back into Veolia) which went all in on media & entertainment under the egomaniac guise of former CEO Jean-Marie Messier (nicknamed "Maitre du Monde" - "Master of the World") until it bled money by the billions. It got much better since then and Bolloré got in in 2015.

Vincent Bolloré himself is part of a giant laundry list of ventures (movie studios, industry, utilities) and his logistics company is very well implemented in Africa harbors.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on December 16, 2016, 07:05:40 PM
Things are not going too well for the Italian populist Movement 5 Stars in their showcase mayor's office in Rome.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/16/five-star-movement-blow-aide-rome-mayor-virginia-raggi-arrested

Rome, allegedly, has the reputation of being run by a terrible administration for a long time.
It probably won't hurt M5S overall chances of being a major wrench in upcoming national elections.
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Post by: VomKriege on December 19, 2016, 04:36:05 AM
Russia and her muslim radicalization problem

http://warontherocks.com/2016/12/the-coming-of-the-russian-jihad-part-ii/

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 19, 2016, 09:47:29 AM
Russia has and always will have a radical Muslim problem due to Chechnya
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Post by: VomKriege on December 19, 2016, 12:54:07 PM
Russian ambassador to Turkey gunned down in an art gallery by a Turkish police officer shouting something about avenging Aleppo. Killer's dead too.
Caught on live TV and by an AP reporter...

https://twitter.com/MicahGrimes/status/810897172392722432
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Post by: Rufus on December 19, 2016, 12:57:44 PM
Wow
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Post by: Samson Manhug on December 19, 2016, 01:06:29 PM
:nsfw (Murder video)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/iyad_elbaghdadi/status/810900987393310720
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https://twitter.com/AmarAmarasingam/status/810900997572796416
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 19, 2016, 01:27:34 PM
Looking for to the president elects tweet on the matter. 
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Post by: Rufus on December 19, 2016, 03:52:07 PM
Someone repeated the Nice attack in Berlin. Already claimed by IS as one of theirs. 9 dead, 50 injured, so thankfully not as devastating.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38373867

edit: One suspect was apprehended (unclear wether he was the driver), the other was found dead in the cabin.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 19, 2016, 04:31:58 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on December 19, 2016, 01:27:34 PM
Looking for to the president elects tweet on the matter. 

He's still waiting to receive his talking points from the Kremlin.
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Post by: Klelk on December 19, 2016, 04:55:04 PM
It's no wonder the far right is rising in Europe with all these Islamic ass attacks. What's even worse than this attack, is that Islamaphobes expected it to happen.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 19, 2016, 05:04:41 PM
Quote from: Klelk on December 19, 2016, 04:55:04 PM
It's no wonder the far right is rising in Europe with all these Islamic ass attacks. What's even worse than this attack, is that Islamaphobes expected it to happen.

how is that worse then the attack
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Post by: Samson Manhug on December 19, 2016, 05:29:26 PM
I'm not an Islamophobe and I expect another attack from jihadists. Lots more, really.
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Post by: Syph on December 19, 2016, 06:26:29 PM
Quote from: Klelk on December 19, 2016, 04:55:04 PM
It's no wonder the far right is rising in Europe with all these Islamic ass attacks. What's even worse than this attack, is that Islamaphobes expected it to happen.
wonder why
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 19, 2016, 08:35:02 PM
Yeah, tbh I'm surprised there hasn't been another 9/11 or worse scale attack yet. thanks Obama?? (Obama+Bush??!?)
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Post by: Klelk on December 20, 2016, 10:26:50 AM
I think now is the time to come together and really show our diversity and let in more refugees maybe even double the amount. We here in Europe should take triple even quadruple the amount to show how diverse we are, the risk is unimportant.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 20, 2016, 11:11:29 AM
Nope
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Post by: VomKriege on December 21, 2016, 02:47:26 AM
Have I missed something ? Are refugees linked to the attack yet ?
And actually a lot of countries haven't yet taken their burden of Syria refugees, I read recently that Italy and Greece (not to mention Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey) still bore huge numbers despite a lot of those refugees supposed to be transfered elsewhere by now. I'd also say it's arguable that Europe not taking his share might end up more costly politically, if it's at the expense of breaking down further the EU near-abroad.

EDIT :

Bank successfully test blockchain technology :
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN14A0X9?il=0

Bitcoin mechanics vindicated, Bitcoin currency (or commodity ? Who the fuck knows at this point) stay losing.
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Post by: Rufus on December 21, 2016, 09:00:51 AM
I think people would have bridged that gap regardless to promote their politics, but the initial suspect (who has since been released) is a refugee, hence the immediate connection. One particularly tasteless cunt (from my state no less) threw in "these are Merkel's dead" mere hours after the attack.
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Post by: Syph on December 22, 2016, 12:15:31 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV8R27OYh84
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Post by: VomKriege on December 22, 2016, 05:16:58 AM
I spoke earlier of the election in Gabon. Despite the massive suspicions of vote rigging, the opposition candidate Jean Ping never conceded and is still trying to overturn the result. A recent report, disclosed in Gabon's capital Libreville by the European Union pointed out the suspicious numbers in the Haut-Ogooué district (from which the ruling Bongo family is from) where turnout was over 99% and Ali Bongo took 95% of the ballots. Ping jumped on the opportunity to ask to be recognized president by the EU and a variety of other international associations (the African Union, etc...), without traction. In fact the EU failed to convince the African, Caribbean and Pacific Group of States to rally to a common statement at the recent joint assembly.

The Gabonese government is trying to project a sense of normalcy and legitimity but things seems to be tense internally : One of Jean Ping's lawyer want missing for a couple of days and recently revealed he sought asylum at an embassy to espace masked men who searched his empty home.

Meawhile in the nearby Democratic Republic of Congo (or "Congo-Kinshasa"), President Joseph Kabila's tenure is officially over... but he claims elections cannot be organized before January 2018 at the earliest and decided to stay in power. The opposition is not taking it well and already a few dozens people probably have been killed during clashes with the police.

Joseph Kabila took office when his father was killed. Bloomberg just had an exhaustive examination of the business holdings of the Kabila family (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2016-12-15/with-his-family-fortune-at-stake-congo-president-kabila-digs-in).

EDIT :

French foreign minister says conditions favorable to supply weapons to Lebanese army
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN14B11R?il=0

To contrast with

Hezbollah using U.S. weaponry in Syria "that they took from the Lebanese armed forces": senior Israeli military officer
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN14A19W
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Post by: Human Snorenado on December 25, 2016, 12:57:26 AM
Russian military plane "disappears" shortly after takeoff

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38430164

Welp.
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Post by: VomKriege on December 25, 2016, 02:56:57 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-un-idUSKBN14C1IV?il=0

Bibi maybe cutting some of the UN funding because of the institution's "hostility".
:crybaby

2016 : Year of the obstruction.
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Post by: Samson Manhug on December 25, 2016, 11:04:51 AM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on December 25, 2016, 12:57:26 AM
Russian military plane "disappears" shortly after takeoff

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38430164

Welp.

Same Russian military plane that killed the President of Poland. Ironically, Putin told Poland to fuck off two days ago after years of requesting the wreckage and black boxes.

http://www.thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/286058,Putin-Smolensk-plane-crash-‘should-not-be-used-for-political-gain’
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 25, 2016, 12:29:06 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on December 25, 2016, 02:56:57 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-un-idUSKBN14C1IV?il=0

Bibi maybe cutting some of the UN funding because of the institution's "hostility".
:crybaby

2016 : Year of the obstruction.

This is funny, especially since the UN has been trying to pass resolutions against Israel for years now and they've only failed to pass because of US vetoes.
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Post by: curly on December 26, 2016, 06:10:16 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/israel-suspends-ties-with-12-un-security-council-nations-2016-12 (http://www.businessinsider.com/israel-suspends-ties-with-12-un-security-council-nations-2016-12)

Israel suspending ties with the 12 countries that voted for the UN resolution, including Russia, China, France, Japan, and Great Britain. I assume it's only for show but still seems crazy to antagonize most of the world powers.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 26, 2016, 06:11:48 PM
:lol  Egypt is pretty important as well in that list. 
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Post by: VomKriege on December 26, 2016, 06:29:11 PM
Quote from: curly on December 26, 2016, 06:10:16 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/israel-suspends-ties-with-12-un-security-council-nations-2016-12 (http://www.businessinsider.com/israel-suspends-ties-with-12-un-security-council-nations-2016-12)

Israel suspending ties with the 12 countries that voted for the UN resolution, including Russia, China, France, Japan, and Great Britain. I assume it's only for show but still seems crazy to antagonize most of the world powers.

I honestly don't understand what Israël thinks her endgame is in all this. Colonize the lands fast enough to create a Saint-Marin sized Palestine when they'll be forced to ? I get that the situation is very complex, that Israël should be entitled to be recognized by neighbours and that Palestinians will never get the right of return to a lot of places (and will have to cut losses on a number of demands). Fault is not solely theirs. But they're backing themselves in a corner.
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Post by: curly on December 26, 2016, 06:36:33 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on December 26, 2016, 06:29:11 PM
Quote from: curly on December 26, 2016, 06:10:16 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/israel-suspends-ties-with-12-un-security-council-nations-2016-12 (http://www.businessinsider.com/israel-suspends-ties-with-12-un-security-council-nations-2016-12)

Israel suspending ties with the 12 countries that voted for the UN resolution, including Russia, China, France, Japan, and Great Britain. I assume it's only for show but still seems crazy to antagonize most of the world powers.

I honestly don't understand what Israël thinks her endgame is in all this. Colonize the lands fast enough to create a Saint-Marin sized Palestine when they'll be forced to ? I get that the situation is very complex, that Israël should be entitled to be recognized by neighbours and that Palestinians will never get the right of return to a lot of places (and will have to cut losses on a number of demands). Fault is not solely theirs. But they're backing themselves in a corner.
Do we really need to go so "both sides are at fault" in a conflict between a settler-colonial state and those who have been colonized
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Post by: Rufus on December 26, 2016, 07:20:17 PM
In this case, yes.
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Post by: VomKriege on December 26, 2016, 07:49:20 PM
Quote from: curly on December 26, 2016, 06:36:33 PM
Do we really need to go so "both sides are at fault" in a conflict between a settler-colonial state and those who have been colonized

Actually I was afraid of being misunderstood for the sake of my brevity.
The Israël-Palestine situation itself is indeed assymetrical, with a dominant force occupying a weaker one. As such, Israël is rightly held at an higher responsibility. All the more since it also continues, despite international outcry, to conduct an illegal policy of settlements for which they are to blame.
However while the above is true, some of the Palestinian demands will have to be dropped if a two state solution is to be reached, as far as I understand it.
Moreover there's another level to this and that's the string of neighboring countries refusing to recognize Israël and thus it's right to exist in peace. There, I think the other parties share quite a bit of the blame, and this problem is linked with the peace process.
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Post by: curly on December 27, 2016, 01:52:45 AM
Is the two state solution even a goal worth aspiring for at this point

The only Palestinian state Israel will allow is a fractured Bantustan whose sovereignty will be in name only, in a situation that basically mirrors the present one where the Palestinian Authority plays Israel's security subcontractor.
As for Israel's neighbors, I think most of their rulings classes would be fine with recognizing Israel if they didn't have to worry about their own public's opinion. Countries like Saudi Arabia are already very closely tied to Israel, and are more openly abandoning the pretense of being Palestine's champion.
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Post by: Syph on December 27, 2016, 02:03:39 AM
Hamas
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Post by: VomKriege on December 29, 2016, 03:55:19 AM
Duterte is a fucking loon :

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-philippines-duterte-helicopter-idUSKBN14I0DH

Quote
"Let's not make any drama, I will personally gun you down if nobody else will do it."

Quote
"If you are corrupt, I will fetch you using a helicopter to Manila and I will throw you out. I have done this before, why would I not do it again?"

(...)

It was not immediately clear when or where the helicopter incident Duterte spoke of took place. His spokesman, Ernesto Abella, suggested it may not have actually happened.

"Let's just say, 'urban legend'," Abella told reporters, without elaborating.



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Post by: benjipwns on December 29, 2016, 03:57:45 AM
 :lol at those backwards nations where their Presidents just make up crazy absurd shit and proclaim it with no filter
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Post by: Steve Contra on December 29, 2016, 03:08:24 PM
I'm following a fun thread on facebook where a friend of a friend whom I assumed is Israeli is posting shit like this

Quote
Read what I have posted on my wall. O and Kerry have drawn a line of lying, murderous hate that wants me and my family and friends dead. You back them and you want us dead. And if you want us dead you are not my "friend" on Facebook or in real life. There is no "gray area".

and basically calling everyone who has anything but effusive praise for Israel a Nazi or a Kapo. Turns out it's a woman who was born in small town West Virginia and has a government job there. :lol
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 29, 2016, 03:51:25 PM
I've got nothing against American Jews or the people of Israel and want nothing more than for them to be able to live in peace with their neighbors, but watching Bibi implode over this issue gives me life.
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Post by: VomKriege on January 01, 2017, 07:18:56 AM
Will 2017 see the end of the "Russia is playing well a weak hand" talking point ?
I've heard it across a collection of different observers and programs and while I don't disagree with the core of the statement, constant negging seems a bit of a childish & passive reaction.
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Post by: benjipwns on January 03, 2017, 05:02:07 AM
omg how did i ever miss this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EdStone
 :dead :dead :dead :dead
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Post by: benjipwns on January 03, 2017, 05:03:38 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdIPHCnRVP0

 :rofl
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - UK elections
Post by: benjipwns on January 03, 2017, 05:11:51 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 08, 2015, 03:26:28 AM
I really thought the Giant Stone Tablet was going to put them over. Now all of Milliband's staff seem to be resigning.
you did know :ufup
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Post by: VomKriege on January 03, 2017, 06:32:50 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-attack-idUSKBN14N0S8?il=0

Just a thought for the terrible Istanbul attack that happened on Nex Year's Eve.
It's been a terrible year for Turkey and the fact that post-crackdown, state of emergency has seen several attacks in Istanbul itself isn't really a good look. All the more if taking at face value Erdogan's statement, you accept those attacks were carried out by Gulen followers, PKK activists, Daech breaking an unofficial "truce" and an unhinged police officer.
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Post by: Rufus on January 03, 2017, 09:55:30 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on January 03, 2017, 06:32:50 AM
It's been a terrible year for Turkey and the fact that post-crackdown, state of emergency has seen several attacks in Istanbul itself isn't really a good look. All the more if taking at face value Erdogan's statement, you accept those attacks were carried out by Gulen followers, PKK activists, Daech breaking an unofficial "truce" and an unhinged police officer.
The couple stories I saw about it on German news seem to emphasize how the gunman still isn't caught, likely for the same reasons. Enough to rub me the wrong way a bit, but hopefully not enough for anyone in the Turkish government to go "see, they want us to fail".
Though I shouldn't talk, given that I didn't bother to post about it.
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Post by: toku on January 03, 2017, 12:19:51 PM
https://twitter.com/PeoplesMomentum/status/816276282128420864
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Post by: VomKriege on January 06, 2017, 04:38:43 AM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38528654

Russia withdrawing some of its forces from Syria ?
Smart move to get out at the possible highest point, I guess.
I get it that it feel like shit to admit it, but Assad the lesser will stay in place, won't he ?
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Post by: benjipwns on January 06, 2017, 08:17:14 AM
hadn't watched one of these since she took over

that first question :dead :dead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmtcFhz22MQ
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Post by: Samson Manhug on January 06, 2017, 08:39:26 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on January 06, 2017, 04:38:43 AM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38528654

Russia withdrawing some of its forces from Syria ?
Smart move to get out at the possible highest point, I guess.
I get it that it feel like shit to admit it, but Assad the lesser will stay in place, won't he ?

We already did a fake Russian withdrawal. The carrier is leaving before it catches on fire.

 :gurl
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Post by: VomKriege on January 06, 2017, 11:13:27 AM
French President Hollande, making his 2017 to the armed forces in Mont-de-Marsan in the Landes, said that he wanted the defence budget to reach 2% of the yearly budget. It currently stands at 1,8% and his administration did make some efforts to avoid some cuts (obviously in the wake of the Paris attacks doing anything else would have been a bad idea).

French armed forces have been long under strain especially in procurement, with hardware divided between top of the line systems in the front and some old old stuff at the rear (some copters, APC, tanks...), the most recent arm systems being kept in rather middling numbers : An example might be that France only maintain a single aircraft carrier when she had two previously, with all the downtime in dock it implies. Or the long awaited replacement of the standard assault rifle (at last going on with a contract won by H&K, France mass small arms industry having died a few decades ago).

Some traditional weaknesses have lingered, like limited air cargo capacities (Just like over Dien Bien Phu !) and any prolonged air bombing operation seems to call for quick delivery of new bombs by the USA. Drone capacities have been neglected at one point though things are speeding up here with French crews becoming autonomous to use the bought Reapers (recon only IIRC) and the defence industry finally on track.

The force is also fairly active with thousands projected on a permanent basis in overseas territory, peacekeeping, Africa and the recent Abu Dhabi base. France has conducted over 200 military expeditions since 1963 and following the Paris attacks the infantry has been deployed on patrol missions on the metropolitan territory despite the dubious efficiency.

Something that might have contributed to this intent to finally reach 2% is the fact that earlier this year it was estimated that France must plan on spending an additional 50 billions over 20 years to maintain, modernize and replace her current nuclear deterrent (including new submarines and new missiles).

Reaching 2% was long overdue, especially considering how prospects became more somber and the fact that EU defence will long continue to rely on willing members (France is daydreaming it can get some financial relief for its military expeditions supposedly beneficial to the EU, like the Sahel security operation, but it's a bit of a fantasy. Germany seems to be getting slighty more proactive on those issues though).
 
It doesn't signal any major overhaul however : it can maintain the force at the level it should roughly be, and still at the lower end of the scale of the latest strategic review.
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Post by: Samson Manhug on January 06, 2017, 11:15:51 AM
2% lol
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Post by: VomKriege on January 06, 2017, 11:36:09 AM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on January 06, 2017, 11:15:51 AM
2% lol

Well :yeshrug
France is still in the top 10 of military spenders in absolute and per capita terms, so you know.
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Post by: benjipwns on January 06, 2017, 11:43:10 AM
2% of the us budget would drop us to third behind China and Saudi Arabia :usacry

but still above Russia :american
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 06, 2017, 11:57:06 AM
Happy France is stepping up to the level of Poland, Estonia, Greece
spoiler (click to show/hide)
and the UK
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Post by: Mupepe on January 06, 2017, 12:07:21 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 06, 2017, 11:43:10 AM
2% of the us budget would drop us to third behind China and Saudi Arabia :usacry

but still above Russia :american
Russians don't really need to spend much.  A lot of their equipment is built to last and still works.  Take Cherno Alpha for example.  It's the only Mark-1 Jaeger still in service and has been hugely successful.  Under guard by Sasha and Aleksis Kaidonovsky the Siberian Wall went unbreached by a Kaiju for six years.

Six.Years.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 06, 2017, 12:18:58 PM
I didnt get it till Siberian Wal and Kajiu :lol

I was like, I don't know any weapon system called jaeger in russia has mupepe gone senile?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on January 06, 2017, 12:29:02 PM
Quote from: Premium Lager on January 06, 2017, 11:57:06 AM
Happy France is stepping up to the level of Poland, Estonia, Greece
spoiler (click to show/hide)
and the UK
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As I said, it is my opinion it is overdue and that's mostly the level it needs to be at to keep current capacities which are still needed. But money doesn't grow on trees.

However, if I understand this correctly, those numbers (the one used by NATO) do factor in pensions and healthcare. And nuclear-armed countries like France, Great Britain and the USA do spend quite a lot on their deterrence (It's estimated to account for 10 to 20% of the French budget, roughly). So on purely conventional forces the number is quite a bit lower. EDIT : It also probably includes for France the Gendarmerie force, in charge of law enforcement outside of urban centers.

Within the limits of national sovereignty, the way forward to leverage better bang for the buck is probably to work at increased polling of resources... within or outside NATO. It would probably work better with a more solid and smaller core of states.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 06, 2017, 03:00:23 PM
A Euro army is long overdue, I imagine the core to be Germany and Poland with smaller neighbours joining too. Dunno if France would accept German lead here
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Post by: Raist on January 06, 2017, 05:32:05 PM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on January 06, 2017, 11:15:51 AM
2% lol

Quite dumb yeah. All that taxpayer money wasted on stupid stuff like education and healthcare  :teehee
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Post by: Raist on January 06, 2017, 05:33:04 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 06, 2017, 05:32:05 PM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on January 06, 2017, 11:15:51 AM
2% lol

Quite dumb yeah. All that taxpayer money wasted on stupid stuff like education and healthcare  :teehee

Quote from: Premium Lager on January 06, 2017, 03:00:23 PM
A Euro army is long overdue, I imagine the core to be Germany and Poland with smaller neighbours joining too. Dunno if France would accept German lead here

I think they'd have to convince the german people first.
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Post by: VomKriege on January 06, 2017, 06:59:08 PM
Quote from: Premium Lager on January 06, 2017, 03:00:23 PM
A Euro army is long overdue, I imagine the core to be Germany and Poland with smaller neighbours joining too. Dunno if France would accept German lead here

A Euro army, as in one where forces of two or several nations are integrated/meshed under a single political command, is not happening anytime soon bar being imposed by necessity (actual war). Article 5 of the NATO charter has some wiggle room to that effect, with each member state deciding what is the appropriate assistance to give to its allies.

It's all a bit of a pipe dream. Polling means in logistics (and procurement) is a much more reasonable objective and a huge force multiplier. The modern EU have in part its roots in the Allied Maritime Transport Council after all.

Also Germany cannot provide the backbone of European military effort as long as it hasn't come to terms with its own past and doesn't develop more of an habit at projecting force (though there's been some progress with the Afghan mission and increased participation in peacekeeping). So far Germany is still living the dream (both admirable and incomprehensible this side of the Rhine) of being a civil superpower. I'm not sure I'm too eager to see them transition to a more classical conception of international might, too.
Shooting non-whites while simultaneously lecturing them about the superiority of our ways (which at its core is still what we're doing now) is an art, one at which France and Great Britain have been at for several centuries now and are still very proficient in.

EDIT : Realistically, the only two cores making sense now is France-UK or France-Germany. I'd prefer the former, but the latter is most likely because it's still one of the major working axis in the EU.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 07, 2017, 01:00:07 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/saudi-arabia-syria-yemen-oil-prince-salman-down-in-flames-a7513636.html
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Post by: Samson Manhug on January 07, 2017, 01:27:03 PM
That piece has more depth than the usual fair but the problem with it and others like it is reductionist hindsight analysis. Gulf States foreign policy not producing desired outcomes does not mean everything they did with reckless or stupid.

The conclusion especially is melodramatic:

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The attempt by Saudi Arabia and Gulf oil states to achieve hegemony in the Arab and Sunni Muslim worlds has proved disastrous for almost everybody.

I am not intending to defend the Gulf States, but that opinion piece reads like Russian propaganda. Obviously lots of actors have contributed to the state of the Middle East, so what benefit does Cockburn get from attributing all the problems on the Gulf States?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on January 11, 2017, 09:10:54 PM
isidewith (https://secure.isidewith.com/edition/) added other countries beyond just English speaking ones (though they have English versions of the polls...since like same data and all) for this year, it also now saves your responses (even temporarily as a guest if allowed to) for questions that are the same across countries (same-sex marriage, abortion, general questions about taxes, etc.)

i'm even more out of touch with French politics than UK politics than US politics

Code: [Select]
45% Democratic Movement
43% The Republicans
40% New Centre
39% Left Front
38% Left Party
37% Socialist Party
37% The Greens
34% National Front
UK has the same nice flat distribution:
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51% Conservative
50% UKIP
49% Green
48% Labour
46% Liberal Democrat
the other "big two" nations that are holding elections this year:

Nederlands:
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46% People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy
41% Democrats 66
38% Socialist Party
34% Party for Freedom
Deustchland:
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60% Free Democratic Party
43% The Left
41% Alliance '90/The Greens
40% Christian Democratic Union
37% Social Democratic Party
37% Alternative for Germany
36% Christian Social Union in Bavaria
Also New Zealand is supposed to:
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51% ACT
48% Green Party
42% Labour Party
38% National Party
29% New Zealand First
Moving into no scheduled 2017 election nations Spain is a lot like France:
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48% Citizens
45% United Left
44% United We Can
42% Union, Progress and Democracy
42% People’s Party
39% Socialist Workers’ Party
39% Popular Unity
outside of FDP, the highest party in any other country seems to be the Brazilian Social Democracy Party at 53% and Fine Gael at 54% :doge

worst country total seems to be Mexico with no party over 39%
Code: [Select]
39% National Regeneration Movement
37% Institutional Revolutionary Party
33% National Action Party
for the US record (which has like three times as many questions as any other country):
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87% Libertarian
51% Constitution
48% Green
48% Republican
48% Socialist
44% Democratic
33% Working Families
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on January 11, 2017, 09:32:57 PM
also, if you score a really high match with Gary Johnson (95% or higher...to pick a...random...number) it should ask "What is Aleppo?" before showing your results
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on January 13, 2017, 06:53:41 AM
The first televised debate for the Socialist primary was held in France, but I didn't watch it so :yeshrug
Less successful ratings than the right wing debate.

Apparently the headline item was Benoit Hamon proposal for a Universal Revenue that would reach, ultimately, 750 euros per person. Not a very popular proposition with the other candidates, which are either questioning its funding or playing the work ethic card. Hamon, alongside Montebourg, is also being vocal about partly repealing the recent labor law reform.

Otherwise, there was wide agreement about education and security, most of the candidates being OK with "targeted strikes" on suspected terrorists abroad (France is not unlike the US with regards to this, a large discretion on the use of armed forces is allowed to the President and there's a cultural acceptance of normalcy in our involvement abroad). There was debate on extending once more the state of emergency. Something I find completely absurd -it's obviously meant to be used for emergencies, the shorter the better and it's really a half-assed one which seems mainly to be used out of the convenience of relaxing checks and balance on police action- but which sadly could continue. Following the series of attacks in 1995 by GIA cells, France enacted the Vigipirate plan (deployment plan for security forces, public coordination and a few measures like blocking parking in front of schools and sensitive public buildings) which was originally a temporary thing but has never been stopped.

Vincent Peillon made the mistake of mentioning that one of Mohamed Merah's victim was of "muslim origin", an expression that didn't fly too well with some of the commenters.

Considering that pollsters didn't really caught the Fillon wave in the Republicans primary (though registered in the last days that his score was rocketing), polls should be taken with a grain of salt. But apparently the perceived trend is that Valls is leading with 35%-40%, followed by both Hamon and Montebourg around 20%. However as it is a two-round election (unless a candidate get 50% + 1 in the first round) and given that Montebourg and Hamon have been in informal talks since before the primary and are holding somewhat similar lines, it's expected to be a rather close competition between the former Prime Minister and whoever representing the more leftist wing would come second.

So far polls say that the Socialist candidate, whoever he is, could only place fifth in the first round of the presidential election, trailing behind independent center-left E.Macron and radical-left J.L.Mélenchon. Valls would get 11% and all the other potential socialist candidates are polling below closer to 6% which would be a disaster close to the horrendous 1969 election (G.Defferre 5%) which prompted the transformation of the SFIO (French Section of the Worker's International, founded in 1905) into the Socialist Party. Some are already predicting that a similar implosion of institutional left is looming over the horizon.
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Post by: Samson Manhug on January 13, 2017, 10:43:57 AM
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"Engineering graduates are more likely than. . .other disciplines to channel frustrations into violent extremism"

http://politicalviolenceataglance.org/2017/01/11/the-liberal-arts-as-antidote-to-political-extremism-in-the-middle-east/

:piss STEM :piss2
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Post by: Rufus on January 13, 2017, 11:01:03 AM
Let me guess, there are barely any women getting engineering degress?  Sexual frustration as fuel for extremism. Pretty sad reflection on our fellow penis-havers.
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Post by: Samson Manhug on January 13, 2017, 11:21:36 AM
I think that Freudian sexual frustration as a catalyst for extremism hypothesis is mostly touted by journalists and laymen like Bill Maher. Multiple studies suggest the number one reason for radicalization is friends/a sense of belonging (though no one considers them conclusive).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on January 15, 2017, 03:05:51 AM
Philippines' Duterte says he may impose martial law if drug problem 'virulent'

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"If I wanted to, and it will deteriorate into something really very virulent, I will declare martial law," he said.
"No one can stop me," he said, referring to the Supreme Court and Congress.
"My country transcends everything else, even the limitations."

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-philippines-duterte-drugs-idUSKBN14Z02O?il=0

 :doge
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Post by: Rufus on January 15, 2017, 03:13:31 AM
Well, that didn't take long...
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Post by: benjipwns on January 15, 2017, 02:25:19 PM
it's time to stop worrying about outdated concepts like laws and separation of powers
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Post by: Samson Manhug on January 15, 2017, 06:23:14 PM
Thanks, American-led war on drugs
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Post by: chronovore on January 15, 2017, 11:56:31 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 15, 2017, 02:25:19 PM
it's time to stop worrying about outdated concepts like laws and separation of powers
:trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on January 17, 2017, 07:31:11 AM
The UK will leave the single European market, as announced by PM May. I'm no expert but it always seemed to me it was a foregone conclusion once you basically put yourself in a position where you can't agree to free movement of people.

The UK will of course try to replace it with some sort of decent deal. It also wants to keep cooperation up to current levels in border control, customs, security & intelligence sharing.

Apparently the plan is if possible to layer the transition, in different domains at different lengths, out of the EU. So as to be orderly without being lulled into permanent transitional status.

Best of luck to the British, I'm (sort of) glad someone else is biting the bullet of trying to scale back some of the globalization and I find the extreme pessimism (borderline gloating) a bit ridiculous.
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Post by: Raist on January 17, 2017, 10:09:09 AM
I don't understand the "oh noez, globalization" sentiment. This is nothing new, it started the day humans stopped being mostly isolated tribes. So we're talking some millenia here. Fast, affordable international transport and the internet pretty much finished making this a foregone conclusion. There's no going back.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 17, 2017, 10:36:58 AM
Its because the western middle class people know it means erosion of their wealth and comfy life

People that benefit:
-1%
-people in poorer countries
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Raist on January 17, 2017, 03:32:51 PM
It's not "globalization" that hurt the middle class, it's a national issue. Every. Damn. Time.


Anyway, got around to listening to her speech. Fairly hilarious, as expected. It's besically Trump 2.0 with a british accent and less offensive rambling.
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Post by: VomKriege on January 18, 2017, 06:31:31 AM
Over thirty dead in a car bomb explosion in Gao, Mali.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-38663693

A point of context that may be important : joint patrols of the army and some of the opposition groups in Northern Mali are being implemented, painfully slowly, hopefully to lessen tensions and improve security.
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Post by: Raist on January 19, 2017, 09:08:42 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-may-businesses-idUSKBN15316P

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Multinational businesses must avoid short-term thinking and show leadership to help restore faith in globalization among citizens who feel left behind by the pace of economic change, British Prime Minister Theresa May said on Thursday.

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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 19, 2017, 09:44:52 AM
Lol step out of the EU because of open borders, then ask multinationals to restore faith in globalisation.

 :trumps
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Post by: Raist on January 19, 2017, 01:05:49 PM
BLM keeping up the good work.

http://www.servingwithpride.ca/news-release

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Tuesday, January 17th, 2017 marks a dark day for LGBTQ Law Enforcement professionals in the province of Ontario, the provincial capital and Canada’s largest city, Toronto. We are deeply disappointed and saddened by the Toronto Pride ruling to disallow uniformed police officers and floats in future Pride parades.
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Post by: Boogie on January 19, 2017, 02:17:48 PM
Thought that would end up in the cop thread, not here.

Yeah, the Canadian off shoot of BLM is a little way crazy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Raist on January 19, 2017, 02:58:07 PM
My bad, forgot that whatever happens in Canada doesn't really belong in the international politics thread.

:teehee
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 19, 2017, 03:46:48 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-38682184
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Post by: Raist on January 19, 2017, 04:14:18 PM
http://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-to-order-mps-to-vote-to-trigger-article-50-10734496

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Jeremy Corbyn said the party "respects the decision of the British people" to leave the European Union and "we will not block Article 50".

He said his MPs would be asked to vote to officially trigger Article 50, which will start Brexit negotiations with the EU and set the clock ticking on the two-year departure deadline.


Well...

(http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/LR-by-party.jpg)
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Post by: benjipwns on January 19, 2017, 09:39:01 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 19, 2017, 02:58:07 PM
My bad, forgot that whatever happens in Canada doesn't really belong in the international politics thread.

:teehee
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Kevin O'Leary, the business man-turned-reality TV star, announced Wednesday that he will stand in the now 14-person race to lead Canada's Conservative party.

The winner will likely challenge current Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in the country's 2019 federal elections.

"Canadians need a Prime Minister with a smart plan to kick start the economy; a Prime Minister who supports small businesses, who will fight for hard working Canadians and will stop wasting our money," O'Leary said in a statement on why he's running.
:cancry
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Post by: Raist on January 20, 2017, 10:38:54 AM
Canada aboot to get their own Trump?
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Post by: VomKriege on January 20, 2017, 06:15:00 PM
So, Germany anointed "Leader of the free world"™ today at 12:00...

Two german men are sitting on a bench outside of Frankfurt Börse :
- Did you hear there was a game of American Football yesterday ?
- No Helmut, and what was the result ?
- The Green Bay Packers won 34 to 31 over the Dallas Stars
- And is it good or bad for German car exports ?

(http://i.imgur.com/x0NQKGN.gif)
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Post by: VomKriege on January 22, 2017, 11:57:22 AM
Filipino police kidnaps & kills South Korean businessman : Duterte stands by the head of police.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1560U0?il=0
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on January 22, 2017, 03:08:04 PM
French Socialist primary first results are in :
Benoît Hamon 35,21 %
Manuel Valls 31,56%
Montebourg 18,7%
Vincent Peillon (6,48%), François de Rugy (3,49%) , Jean-Luc Benhammias (2,1%) et Sylvia Pinel (1,6%).

Hamon being so high is a mild surprise. My hunch is that his basic income / universal revenue support helped him. I'm skeptical it can be done but at least it's a real idea with an implicit alternative project for society, and god knows people are desperate for this. It helped him appear as the real champion for the left wing of the party and from there it's not shocking he's in the same bracket as Valls as the two trends within the party are fairly of equal weight.

And Valls maybe suffered from negative votes : Lots of people do not stand him.

Montebourg may appear as a kingmaker but wisdom is that quite a few of his voters will go to Hamon no matter what.

Turnout is between 1,5 and 2 millions. Less than in 2011 and less than the right wing primary held last year but not a disaster (though certainly a sign of the fatigue with Socialist governance).

Run off between Hamon and Valls next week.

Whatever the result, the PS candidate is between a rock and a hard place since it is currently trailing last of the three major candidates on the left. Macron is adamant on being an outsider and Mélenchon is all about rejecting the traditional compromises, so there's no easy deal to make, beyond the fact the PS would not stomach being a junior partner.

Edit :
Montebourg is calling for his supporters to vote Hamon.
Peillon didn't give any instruction.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 22, 2017, 10:41:15 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2zXHWwUoAE2x0e.jpg)

Do you deport them or string them up by their balls?
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Post by: archnemesis on January 23, 2017, 02:24:46 AM
Quote from: (((Mary Tyler Whore))) on January 22, 2017, 10:41:15 PM
Do you deport them or string them up by their balls?
Neither. The perpetrators are often too young to get jail time and if they're from an unstable country then we can't deport them.

Lately we've had several incidents where young Afghan men rape even younger Afghan men and the authorities are largely ignoring the problem.
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Post by: Raist on January 23, 2017, 05:19:57 AM
Quote from: (((Mary Tyler Whore))) on January 22, 2017, 10:41:15 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2zXHWwUoAE2x0e.jpg)

Do you deport them or string them up by their balls?


What are we looking at here?
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Post by: benjipwns on January 23, 2017, 12:12:03 PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-01-22/china-slams-western-democracy-as-flawed-as-trump-takes-office
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China’s state media used Donald Trump’s inauguration as U.S. president to warn about the perils of democracy, touting the relative stability of the Communist system as President Xi Jinping heads toward a twice-a-decade reshuffle of senior leadership posts.

With ministries and senior officials stressing unity as a priority for China, smoothing the path for the party’s congress in the fourth quarter, state media were quick to highlight divisions within America shown by Trump’s elevation, without necessarily directly referencing the new president.

Democracy has reached its limits, and deterioration is the inevitable future of capitalism, according to the People’s Daily, the flagship paper of China’s Communist Party. It devoted an entire page on Sunday to critiquing Western democracies, quoting former Chairman Mao Zedong’s 1949 poem asking people to "range far your eyes over long vistas" and saying the ultimate defeat of capitalism would enable Communism to emerge victorious.
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the People’s Daily also used Trump’s inauguration weekend to tout the benefits of China’s political system. "The emergence of capitalism’s social crisis is the most updated evidence to show the superiority of socialism and Marxism," it said.

"Western style democracy used to be a recognized power in history to drive social development. But now it has reached its limits," said another article on the same page. "Democracy is already kidnapped by the capitals and has become the weapon for capitalists to chase profits."
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Samson Manhug on January 23, 2017, 01:42:44 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 23, 2017, 05:19:57 AM
Quote from: (((Mary Tyler Whore))) on January 22, 2017, 10:41:15 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2zXHWwUoAE2x0e.jpg)

Do you deport them or string them up by their balls?


What are we looking at here?

Thread: https://twitter.com/PaulinaForslund/status/823232873679507456
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on January 23, 2017, 02:51:15 PM
Quote from: Dufus on January 23, 2017, 01:58:06 PM
also it looks like the website in her profile links to a swedish nationalist website... :doge

Far-right activists in France, and I would suspect all of Europe, made an habit of propagating those stories (generally through their own "webpress outlets" applying the expected spin) for well understood reasons.
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Post by: Samson Manhug on January 23, 2017, 03:51:46 PM
Yeah, that lady is super nuts. I wonder where MTW found the original picture.
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Post by: Fifstar on January 23, 2017, 05:12:23 PM
I believe the story was on the Sun (the British tabloid)
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 23, 2017, 06:02:37 PM
It's been circulating around the last couple of days.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Samson Manhug on January 23, 2017, 06:08:06 PM
Circulating around where? You secret alt-right?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 23, 2017, 06:12:19 PM
Nope.

Edit: The BBC has a story: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38717186

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Post by: benjipwns on January 24, 2017, 08:47:55 AM
Just a little over a couple weeks until the tough Turkmenistani presidential election. Incumbent Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedow is facing eight opponents.

He hasn't been as popular with the people as his predecessor President Saparmurat Niyazov. Berdimuhamedow has only received 97.1% and 89.2% in the last two Presidential elections. Niyazov got 99.5% in his only election fifteen years earlier, he was so popular he was later elected President for Life by 99.9% of the vote.

If no candidate gets a majority there will be a second round.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on January 25, 2017, 06:22:25 AM
Shit-flinging is starting in the French election :rejoice :goty

Le Canard Enchainé, both a satiric and investigative newspaper (one of the best really, fully self funded by physical sales), has published an article about how the wife of François Fillon -conservative candidate and potential future president- was paid over years half a million euros from his parliamentary funds for work no one seem to be able to prove the existence of.

Meanwhile two right-wing MPs are saying Macron -independent center left surfing on hype right now- used 120k in funds from the Finance Ministry, when he was heading it, to fund his then nascent party/organization supporting his presidential run (by way, if I heard correctly, of using public facilities for meetings and such).

It's still unclear if Francois Bayrou, center right christian democrat, will maybe run his own bid for the election. Wisdom has it he can't gather the 500 signatures of elected officials needed without the help of François Fillon's party, and they might not be inclined to do that unless they're really afraid of Macron accomplishing the ever mythical "third way" through a wide centrist coalition AND they're really confident Fillon will take votes on his right from Le Pen.

I was skeptical of Macron's bid, if you cared for the whole thing : outsider bids always sound better than they really fare in France (despite the fact that De Gaulle conceived the presidency like the meeting of the man with the people outside of parties), but one can't deny Macron has gained some traction; he's attracting large crowds both in Paris and Province (relative to other politicians). He's pulling a couple of shrewd moves too : he's asked for people willing to run for National Assembly to send their resumes now as a way to say "You know I'm the winning bet but I won't give you the luxury of waiting from your safe spot : come to me now". He maybe learned the lesson from Bayrou who when asked who he would govern with, as he only had a small limited party, responded "With everybody" to which everybody promptly said "Ah ah. No.". It seems to work in some capacity : some Socialist local figures in northern Lille (former mining and industrial country, strong Socialist presence) are already backing him, and former Socialist runner to the presidency (Current Environment Minister, former SO of President Hollande, brother of one of the spy divers who sunk the Rainbow Warrior  :doge) Ségolčne Royal is starting to send some signal she would too.

Still there's a lot of debate over the fact he should have tried to run in the Socialist primary to implode them from inside and be the only moderate-left candidate. It's hard to tell if it was really the correct choice because so much of his popularity rests on his outsider status.
I still think there's a fad/hype element to it and that his bid has weaknesses (national security is a big blind spot in his platform) but it doesn't seem so ludicrous now he could be the best placed left candidate in the election. Especially if the Socialist ends up choosing Hamon as their own candidate as he's perceived radical-leaning and freeing up space in the center.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on January 25, 2017, 11:48:59 AM
Economic anxiety has not reached everyone : French Ministry of Defense claims 2016 was a record year with 20 billions in arms export.

Speaking of which, French DCNS should work with Poland to develop submarines. They're also supposed to be a minority partner in buying back the Saint Nazaire naval yard (largest in Europe) along with italian Fincantieri. The "Atlantic Yard" was part of the korean STX group that recently filed bankruptcy in Seoul. Saint-Nazaire is mostly a civil yard (they built the Queen Mary 2 and Harmony of the Seas) but has recently been constructing the 2 Mistral helicopter-carriers originally bought by Russia and is the only french yard that could be used to make a new aircraft carrier (it's been a fugitive talking point for years but the budgets aren't there).
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 25, 2017, 01:26:14 PM
Please continue these updates.
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Post by: VomKriege on January 25, 2017, 01:32:28 PM
Wilco.
Expect more flippancy as the election approaches though.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on January 25, 2017, 01:38:39 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on January 25, 2017, 06:22:25 AM
was paid over years half a million euros from his parliamentary funds for work no one seem to be able to prove the existence of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td67kYY9mdQ
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Post by: VomKriege on January 25, 2017, 06:26:49 PM
I probably already said that, but the Saint-Nazaire yard is in a bit of an absurd place : they have work lined for the next 10 years and are turning a profit (though not a fat one) and yet the workforce is pressured, hirings are constrained and it have a reputation of cheapening on wages (therefore losing highly qualified prospects to the nearby Airbus factory).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on January 26, 2017, 03:42:46 AM
The CFR "President's Inbox" podcast just aired an episode of the Trump-May meeting coming up and the British expert there was skeptical the UK could strike some giant US bilateral deal that would offset the Brexit :
- With the WTO, tariffs are already low, most of the areas where things can get much improved are deep integration "below the border" (harmonizing safety standards, rules & regulation, more freedom to move and exercice...). Those kind of deals are not negociated in a year.
- It's doubtful that a new trade deal could be implemented or even discussed before the exact terms of agreement between UK and EU are settled (to avoid things like EU-imported products being exported from the UK to the US under the bilateral agreement ).
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Post by: Raist on January 26, 2017, 06:27:44 AM
What would the US (or any other country for that matter) want tax-free from the UK anyway. Marmite?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Brehvolution on January 26, 2017, 09:34:00 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on January 25, 2017, 01:32:28 PM
Wilco.

(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/48/48520b5f335a582f1f2b23aad3962af2e34e1c27c20763931391c85114f9a4df.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on January 26, 2017, 03:16:00 PM
I'll let a German expand but the German Socialists decided to field Martin Schulz (former president of Euro parliament) in a semi-surprise bid. Polls seem to suggest he could be a credible challenger to Merkel.

Otherwise Mediapart (investigative french website, paid subscribers only, founded several years ago by former collaborators at Le Monde newspaper, reliable source) just published a paper on how a hundred or so close relatives of MPs are currently employed in French Parliament.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Rufus on January 26, 2017, 03:27:02 PM
I'm way too much of a lazy POS commited to shitposting to be covering our elections in the same way you do the French. Sorry, Boritos. :shaq2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on January 27, 2017, 04:52:36 AM
The high observer for the french Socialist primary claims they were cyberattacked from abroad and that he will detail further Monday, after the election is done.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 27, 2017, 08:01:24 AM
Will penelope-gate sink fillion?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on January 28, 2017, 03:53:02 AM
Quote from: Premium Lager on January 27, 2017, 08:01:24 AM
Will penelope-gate sink fillion?

My guess is probably not. It's a fairly run of the mill scandal, especially compared to Strauss Khan (lol) or Sarkozy who is under justice review for occult financing via Pakistan's kickbacks, taking advantage of the senile billionaire owner of l'Oréal or generous Kadhafi donations...

Still it does tarnish his image. Fillon's schtick is fiscal conservatism and AFAIK he didn't have a lot of personal skeletons exposed til now.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Raist on January 29, 2017, 10:11:06 AM
Bit lttp on this, but the UK Supreme Court has (obviously) backed up the High Court, ruling that the government does need the greenlight from Parliament to trigger Article 50.

The Commons session on this was hilarious, a constant back and forth between

- the MPs not particularly excited by the prospect of leaving the EU saying "you already tried to sideline us, now we're going to need a detailed whitepaper about your Brexit plans before the vote"

- the government and their followers being all "no no no we didn't try to sideline you! We just wanted to be sure the High Court wasn't full of shit!
Whitepaper? Theresa gave a speech a few days ago, that's all you need.
Plus we don't want to make the bid too complicated. Or reveal our supah sikrit Brexit plans, this would hurt negociations".


This gun be gud.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on January 30, 2017, 03:28:52 AM
Benoit Hamon will be the socialist candidate for the upcoming french presidential election after winning the primary runoff yesterday (58% as per current count, turnout slighty up from first round) over former PM Valls. Minutes before first estimations were made public last evening, Socialists of variable prominence (including the mayor of Lyon) started advocating for Emmanuel Macron, the independent center left candidate (and there was speculation Valls could ultimately do that). The primary in this respect already failed.
Unsure those socialist supports are the best for Macron : It reminds everyone that while independent, he is now the de facto candidate of the current government continuity.

Hamon isn't inactive either as he want to initiate talks with the Green Party (Regular but uneasy socialist ally, fielding a candidate as of now) and radical left Mélenchon. Hamon's platform is the closest to theirs it could be out of all the socialist candidates and they are more amenable to his person. But as I said earlier, it's very hard to imagine Hamon and Mélenchon could strike a deal for a single candidacy (Greens too, but slightly less so) despite this being the only viable strategy. Too much (party) ego at play. And the Socialists remember that's how they themselves "killed" the Communist Party back in the 70's...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on January 31, 2017, 05:29:05 AM
http://feeds.reuters.com/~r/Reuters/worldNews/~3/sIXFEhz4LZg/us-philippines-drugs-idUSKBN15F0R6

Filipino carnage : Act VI
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Samson Manhug on January 31, 2017, 10:58:48 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on January 30, 2017, 03:28:52 AM
Benoit Hamon will be the socialist candidate for the upcoming french presidential election after winning the primary runoff yesterday (58% as per current count, turnout slighty up from first round) over former PM Valls. Minutes before first estimations were made public last evening, Socialists of variable prominence (including the mayor of Lyon) started advocating for Emmanuel Macron, the independent center left candidate (and there was speculation Valls could ultimately do that). The primary in this respect already failed.
Unsure those socialist supports are the best for Macron : It reminds everyone that while independent, he is now the de facto candidate of the current government continuity.

Hamon isn't inactive either as he want to initiate talks with the Green Party (Regular but uneasy socialist ally, fielding a candidate as of now) and radical left Mélenchon. Hamon's platform is the closest to theirs it could be out of all the socialist candidates and they are more amenable to his person. But as I said earlier, it's very hard to imagine Hamon and Mélenchon could strike a deal for a single candidacy (Greens too, but slightly less so) despite this being the only viable strategy. Too much (party) ego at play. And the Socialists remember that's how they themselves "killed" the Communist Party back in the 70's...

Forgive my immense ignorance, but why does it matter who is the socialist candidate in this election?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on January 31, 2017, 12:20:16 PM
I'm not sure I understand the question ? Do you mean with regards to its current standing in polls ? Polls are polls, things look dire now for the Socialists in the Presidential election but a lot of things can happen in 3 months. Also don't forget the National Assembly is voted for in the wake of this election and that even if a defeat looms, parties on the left are also keeping on eye on being the biggest bird on that opposition perch. For all its internal crisis, the Socialist party is still by far the most robust party on the left, with a lot of local clout and ubiquitous presence. You want to get a hand on that if possible. It's not a given Macron or Mélenchon can field good vetted candidates or have any decent ground game in every county and that local Socialists (or Communists in selected areas) will just bow down.

As I said some Socialists already sided with Macron... but they did not defect from their party.

The result of that primary is, in a way, seeing how the internal pendulum tilt inside the party. The so called "hard left" wing won this one and it means they should have the upper hand in keeping some of the inheritance in the worst case scenario.

In any other election since 1974, the name of the Socialist candidate was a major deal too so it warrants some of the coverage even if they might play a very small part in this one.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Rufus on January 31, 2017, 12:45:15 PM
"United we stand, divided we fall": letter by President Donald Tusk to the 27 EU heads of state or government on the future of the EU before the Malta summit
http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2017/01/31-tusk-letter-future-europe/

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Let us show our European pride. If we pretend we cannot hear the words and we do not notice the decisions aimed against the EU and our future, people will stop treating Europe as their wider homeland. Equally dangerously, global partners will cease to respect us. Objectively speaking, there is no reason why Europe and its leaders should pander to external powers and their rulers. I know that in politics, the argument of dignity must not be overused, as it often leads to conflict and negative emotions. But today we must stand up very clearly for our dignity, the dignity of a united Europe - regardless of whether we are talking to Russia, China, the US or Turkey. Therefore, let us have the courage to be proud of our own achievements, which have made our continent the best place on Earth. Let us have the courage to oppose the rhetoric of demagogues, who claim that European integration is beneficial only to the elites, that ordinary people have only suffered as its result, and that countries will cope better on their own, rather than together.

We must look to the future - this was your most frequent request in our consultations over the past months. And there is no doubt about it. But we should never, under any circumstances, forget about the most important reasons why 60 years ago we decided to unite Europe. We often hear the argument that the memory of the past tragedies of a divided Europe is no longer an argument, that new generations do not remember the sources of our inspiration. But amnesia does not invalidate these inspirations, nor does it relieve us of our duty to continuously recall the tragic lessons of a divided Europe. In Rome, we should strongly reiterate these two basic, yet forgotten, truths: firstly, we have united in order to avoid another historic catastrophe, and secondly, that the times of European unity have been the best times in all of Europe's centuries-long history. It must be made crystal clear that the disintegration of the European Union will not lead to the restoration of some mythical, full sovereignty of its member states, but to their real and factual dependence on the great superpowers: the United States, Russia and China. Only together can we be fully independent.
We must therefore take assertive and spectacular steps that would change the collective emotions and revive the aspiration to raise European integration to the next level. In order to do this, we must restore the sense of external and internal security as well as socio-economic welfare for European citizens. This requires a definitive reinforcement of the EU external borders; improved cooperation of services responsible for combating terrorism and protecting order and peace within the border-free area; an increase in defence spending; strengthening the foreign policy of the EU as a whole as well as better coordinating individual member states' foreign policies; and last but not least fostering investment, social inclusion, growth, employment, reaping the benefits of technological change and convergence in both the euro area and the whole of Europe.

We should use the change in the trade strategy of the US to the EU's advantage by intensifying our talks with interested partners, while defending our interests at the same time. The European Union should not abandon its role as a trade superpower which is open to others, while protecting its own citizens and businesses, and remembering that free trade means fair trade. We should also firmly defend the international order based on the rule of law. We cannot surrender to those who want to weaken or invalidate the Transatlantic bond, without which global order and peace cannot survive. We should remind our American friends of their own motto: United we stand, divided we fall.
:preach
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on January 31, 2017, 12:49:38 PM
"Who ?"

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I mean... you know. European technocrats are not arousing passions. But it's an hopeful sign that the EU and and its members will push back with enough force.
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EDIT :
Fillon and his wife were interrogated by the financial crimes police today as agents went to the Assembly investigate her supposed work as a parmalientary assistant : apparently they couldn't find any access badge or email adress setup for her despite alleged years of work. The suspected sum has now increased to over 800.000 euros.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Samson Manhug on January 31, 2017, 01:13:18 PM
He said he'd drop out if charges are brought up, right?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on January 31, 2017, 01:31:19 PM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on January 31, 2017, 01:13:18 PM
He said he'd drop out if charges are brought up, right?

If he's "mis en examen" ("put under examination" = indicted), yes.
There's some skepticism on this happening before the election though. Police investigation for this type of suspicion can last a long time. There's also a lot of legalese that means police can continue its findings in some shape or form without indicting him up to a point, if they want so : Authorities wouldn't want to appear as meddling with the campaign. The variable unknown, as always in democracies, is public outrage and pressure.

If he's elected, any action against him in justice could only resume a month after he's leaving office.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Kara on January 31, 2017, 02:33:35 PM
Tusk did an interview with Der Spiegel years ago, I always remember this from it.

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When I hear the tone of some in the European debates, I get the impression that the idea of the union needs to be explained again and again. The European Union wasn't only designed for good times. We believe it was also designed to withstand the bad times. It is the principle of solidarity that has made it so interesting. The new member states understand that better than the old ones.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on January 31, 2017, 03:50:40 PM
I don't know which new members he was thinking about back then but it's a debatable assertion.
Though a wake up call in favor of more solidarity (including debt sharing and refugee asylum) would be welcomed.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Rufus on January 31, 2017, 04:30:33 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on January 31, 2017, 03:50:40 PM
I don't know which new members he was thinking about back then but it's a debatable assertion.
Does look like a fair weather estimation now, especially in regards to his native Poland. But this renewed call to unity from him impressed me. Let's just hope something comes of it. I really hope Germany pulls the stick out of their ass here and gives up trying to out-export everyone.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Raist on January 31, 2017, 06:16:31 PM
I'm not too worried about the EU. The shit show that is Brexit (and it hasn't even really started yet) certainly has had an impact on people on the fence.

The UK has always been one foot in, one out, so it was only a matter of time. Using the EU as a scapegoat for their internal issues was just too easy, and they just love blaming shit on others. It's nothing new. It'll take a couple of years until they realize that taking back control did fuck all to fix the issues.

Although I'm not holding my breath yet. They'll probably blame it on the evil EU being meanies during Brexit or something.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Syph on January 31, 2017, 07:14:40 PM
Lol @ Tusk.
Only thing he has going for him is that he's not Van Rompuy
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on February 01, 2017, 12:39:27 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-mexico-trade-idUSKBN15G4EX

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The European Union and Mexico have set two new rounds of trade talks in the first half of 2017, an acceleration of negotiations to deepen economic ties in the wake of Donald Trump's inauguration as U.S. president.

The European Commission said on Wednesday that EU Trade Commissioner Cecilia Malmstrom and Mexican Economy Minister Ildefonso Guajardo had scheduled subsequent rounds for April 3-7 and June 26-29.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 01, 2017, 12:59:13 PM
Quote from: Syph on January 31, 2017, 07:14:40 PM
Lol @ Tusk.
Only thing he has going for him is that he's not Van Rompuy

tusk is alright man
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Samson Manhug on February 01, 2017, 03:18:56 PM
Edit: Wikileaks dumping info on all the French candidates
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Syph on February 01, 2017, 03:42:25 PM
Trudeau government abandons promise of electoral reform (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-electoral-reform-mandate-1.3961736)

goodbye liberal majority
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Samson Manhug on February 01, 2017, 03:54:54 PM
Trudeau kind of reminds me of Obama in that liberals love him despite some decidedly anti-liberal shit he does. He also publicly pulled his bombers out of Iraq to concentrate only on humanitarian aid only to secretly increase special operations presence and send them on combat missions with Kurdish fighters. He also had no problem approving the Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain oil pipeline.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 01, 2017, 07:32:29 PM
I like him but I has have a lot of central leanings. 

Also electoral reform is better left until you are going to get voted out anyways. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Raist on February 02, 2017, 02:23:23 AM
So, not really a surprise, but the Commons have voted overwhelmingly in favour of triggering article 50.

As if it wasn't already enough of a shit show, a fifth of labour MPs (including several front benchers and shadow ministers) have defied Corbyn's three-line whip and voted against, either resigning just before the vote, or not even bothering to do so. I don't necessarily agree with the traditional (european) left on all issues, but maybe it'd be time they got their shit together, because they're completely imploding in most of western europe. The UK and France being prime examples.

As per the usual process in parliament, it's going to go through several other rounds for the "details", including at the Lords who are expected to not play nice, at least at the beginning.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: chronovore on February 02, 2017, 04:50:57 AM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on February 01, 2017, 03:54:54 PM
Trudeau kind of reminds me of Obama in that liberals love him despite some decidedly anti-liberal shit he does. He also publicly pulled his bombers out of Iraq to concentrate only on humanitarian aid only to secretly increase special operations presence and send them on combat missions with Kurdish fighters. He also had no problem approving the Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain oil pipeline.


Yeah, I'm fond of Obama's statesmanship and the ACA (despite its horrible compromises, it has helped many friends), but his record on privacy is a shit show.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on February 02, 2017, 09:50:12 AM
Well, not to break tradition, I was probably wrong on Fillon weathering the storm. His two children are now being brought on the scope of the investigation (they were paid too). A few days before taking function as a MP he also created a counselling cabinet and those activities are being looked by the press (though so far not illegal per se). Fillon and his supports are denouncing a libellous campaign and orchestrated maneuvers but you know... He may not have to withdraw but that stuff will probably stick.

Alain Juppé, the loser in the runoff round of the primary that selected Fillon, has said he don't want to be the "backup plan". Guess it's up to the party now.

Speaking of : Serge Dassault, oldest senator and CEO of the fighter plane maker Dassault (founded by his father, an engineer) was barred of seeking office for 5 years ans fined for 2m for tax evasion. He's also been suspected for years of buying votes.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on February 03, 2017, 03:03:50 AM
Things ate going from bad to worse for Fillon. Envoyé Spécial, one of the biggest investigative shows on TV (public channel France 2) aired a 2007 clip from an interview Pénélope Fillon gave to the Daily Telegraph where says : "I never was [my husband's] assistant or anything like that".

He'll probably won't get indicted before the election however.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 03, 2017, 03:07:53 AM
Haha yeah I read that  :lol

But I also read he is getting support from this Kosciuscko lady, got to love a polack backing the right wing candidate  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on February 03, 2017, 03:26:47 AM
She's 150 years removed from her polish ancestor who moved into France, so you know...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on February 03, 2017, 04:12:02 AM
Philippines are only getting better and better. Duterte now wants to resume fighting with a communist insurgency :
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN15I0R0?il=0

So in a matter of a few weeks and on top of all the killings of alleged "drug dealers", the police has been found to abuse the liberal use of violence (duh !) and possibly so crooked that Duterte basically disowned them from his war on drugs to give that to the army who will also resume active counter-insurgency.

What could possibly go wrong ?

Meanwhile, Toshiba is suffering badly under the weight of its nuclear business :
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN15I0VG?il=0

Nuclear sector is not doing great nowadays, with french conglomerate Areva recently going on with a split between its lucrative mining arm and a struggling power plant engineering division (for which they seek chinese participation). It's problematic because the engineering arm is also in charge of the maintenance of all plants (and France has over 50) and the poor management last few years is really playing a nasty trick on instructing and keeping the specialized workforce.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 03, 2017, 05:12:10 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on February 03, 2017, 03:26:47 AM
She's 150 years removed from her polish ancestor who moved into France, so you know...

So yeah she should know better. Not everyone that arrives in a new country is part of the fucking nobility.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Raist on February 03, 2017, 09:02:16 AM
Well blimey, would you look at this! A detailed, 70+ pages long whitepaper from the UK government about Brexit. Published one day after the vote on A50 in the Commons :lol

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/589191/The_United_Kingdoms_exit_from_and_partnership_with_the_EU_Web.pdf

Still reading through it, but I absolutely love this part.

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Parliamentary sovereignty
2.1
The sovereignty of Parliament is a fundamental principle of the UK constitution. Whilst
Parliament has remained sovereign throughout our membership of the EU, it has not always
felt like that. The extent of EU activity relevant to the UK can be demonstrated by the fact
that 1,056 EU-related documents were deposited for parliamentary scrutiny in 2016. These
include proposals for EU Directives, Regulations, Decisions and Recommendations, as well
as Commission delegated acts, and other documents such as Commission Communications,
Reports and Opinions submitted to the Council, Court of Auditors Reports and more.

(https://abload.de/img/g0zf8yistr5u.png)

Whilst Parliament has REMAINED SOVEREIGN THROUGHOUT OUR MEMBERSHIP OF THE EU, it has not always felt like that.


:rofl

Guys guys, vote leave plz.

WE NEED TO TAKE BACK CONTROL OF OUR OWN DESTINY AND REGAIN SOVEREIGNTY.

FREE US FROM THE SHACKLES OF THE SUBMISSION TO THE UNELECTED BUREAUCRATS LIVING IN THEIR IVORY BELGIAN TOWER.

WE NEED TO MAKE OUR OWN LAWS. THIS IS ENOUGH. VIVA LA REVOLUCION.


...

THANKS GUYS WE DID IT!
Oh yeah so btw we always had sovereignty, but it just didn't feel that way. Someone had to think of our feels.


GTFOH :rofl :rofl :rofl

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Not sure if staying or needing to leave this fucking country.
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They might make that choice for me tho :doge
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on February 04, 2017, 04:30:00 AM
The latest War College podcast (on "Russia's hybrid warfare" & interpretation of soft power) features Mark Galeotti again, an academic specialized in Russia and security and who always has enlightening things to say : he has good sources, is now stationed in Prague and I learn from him more than a couple of things (the creation of a "national guard" to reform interior security troops, the state of conscription and the modernization of the infantry force and structure still being limited to only a segment of the army, etc...).

http://www.reuters.com/podcasts/war-college/

Recommended.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on February 04, 2017, 06:58:12 AM
In France : Marine Le Pen, leader of the far-right Front National, is officially launching her campaign in Lyon this weekend.

You probably kow that the Front National is the leading far right party in France, has had strong presence in the last thirty years and is now almost on an equal footing, as an individual party, with the Socialist Party and whatever the main right wing party inherited from De Gaulle is called this cycle (Les Républicains now). The FN already tried to claim being the "biggest/first party in France", and expression commonly used for the Communist Party back after the war, obviously to invoke the same refusal to compromise with the current establishment though the goals and ideological cues differ.

It's maybe not useless to take a quick look at the history of the party. The FN was founded in 1972 by the French neo-fascists of group called Ordre Nouveau (New Order, the student arm GUD is still active today) taking their inspiration from the italian MSI (the logo was lifted wholesale, swapping the colors from those of the italian flag to french) to give them a broader base outside of the narrow spectrum of fascism with a ore inclusive "national right" label (geared toward other extreme conservative demographics : fundamentalists christians, supporters of a French Algeria...). However none of those shadow ideologues felt like becoming the face of that movement and they started shopping around for a figure head, finally settling on Jean-Marie Le Pen.

Jean-Marie Le Pen is a veteran of the Indochina and Algeria war where he served as part of an airborne regiment -the elite military component in both wars, especially in Dien Bien Phu and the Battle of Algiers-. As such, he basically admitted he was among the many soldiers to use torture in Algeria, a fact for which he was apologetic ("a necessity") though not gloating about. Back to France, his political debut was made thanks to Pierre Poujade, the leader of a short lived populist outburst in the mid-50's around the core theme of defending small commerce and artisans. Thanks to that he was elected twice as a MP, then took a step back from politics before being brought in the FN.

Things get tense very early on, as Le Pen didn't really deliver on bringing in a wave of militants from the traditionalist far right/vanilla nationalists all on top of some of the fascist revolutionary radicals still trying to impose a militant, violent platform. Ordre Nouveau itself, due to its violent leanings, is dissolved by authorities in 1973 and Jean-Marie Le Pen takes the opportunity to seize total ownership of the party, ousting his handlers. The seventies are tough years for what amounts to a mostly irrelevant fringe movement and things only really get rolling in 1981-82 after the election of Mitterrand, France first socialist President under the Gaullist Vth Republic founded in 1958.

Maybe as a backlash to the Socialists in power, maybe because of the oil crises, the end of systemic high level of yearly growth, globalisation and immigration... Anyway the FN make considerable headway in the first half of the 80's and in 1986 manages to elect 35 MP (out of 577 total) to the National Assembly. It should be noted that it's by far the high peak of their representation in the lower chamber of parliament (since then they only managed to elect 3 MPs, 2 sitting currently, probably because of the bipartisan coalition to keep them out of office). It also fares well in cantonal (indirect), regional, european parliament (proportional) elections rather consistently. Less so, until recently, in mayoral ones with relatively few offices held (only 27 mayors out of roughly 36000, and only one over 100k inhabitants -one of the district of Marseilles- and that's a big progress from before). Roughly speaking the party treaded mostly between 10% to 18% and now has raised its roof to 25-27%.

Jean-Marie Le Pen made the party his thing, to the point of building his personal fortune on the captation of a few inheritances from militant millionaires, and imposed a rather loud and vulgar style as his trademark, with an impressive collection of lawsuits brought against his statements : he called the Jewish extermination a "footnote in the war's history" or made an infamous joke on "Durafour crématoire" (A rather hard to explain wordplay on the nazi cremating ovens and the name of then minister Durafour). Antisemitic undercurrents always were nurtured -it's in there in the ideological melting pot- but by far the most popular theme for the party has been the condemning of the political establishment, globalisation and muslim immigration (a famous slogan read : "3 millions unemployed means 3 millions of immigrants too much. France and French people first"). Roughly speaking, the key proposition of the party is instituting "National preference" aka more discrimination (in accessing jobs & benefits, education, entering the country...).

The FN also proved very resilient : in 1998 the party was splintered by its then number 2 which founded its own concurrent party. In the next election, the far right only gathered 8% of the vote, split between the FN and the FN-MN. But the spell was short lived and by 2002 Jean-Marie Le Pen performed his biggest coup by managing to finish second in the first round of the Presidential election with 17% and thus qualifying for the runoff, eliminating in the process socialist Prime Minister Jospin (probably a result of low charisma, complacency and the vote spread over a myriad of leftist candidates). Le Pen then went to lose the election 18 to 82% in front of Jaques Chirac who didn't even accept to debate him in-between rounds as customary (a refuse to normalize, sounds familiar ?). The FN still had a long way to go not to appear as a fringe group but still, the internal strife had been tamed and things were back to normal : the voting bloc didn't went anywhere. The following years were up-and-down but within expectations.

Finally in 2011 Jean-Marie Le Pen stepped down after making sure his daughter, Marine Le Pen, took the reins.

Marine whole schtick is to normalize and destigmatize the party. She's careful to appear as a credible alternative, more level headed than her father. In fact, she stripped him of his title as an honorary president of the party in 2015 when he expressed disbelief at the current strategy and insisted on the whole "Holocaust is a footnote" thing. Marine is also running under the banner of the "Marine blue movement" instead of the party official name (and recently adopted a rose in her logo, a rather confusing choice as the flower is the traditional symbol of socialists). To offset the systemic lack of seasoned political operatives which has plagued the FN forever, she's trying to bring in more traditional types : one of her closest advisors is Florian Philippot which was taught in the most prestigious french schools (notably HEC, commerce school, and ENA, the factory for "hauts fonctionnaires" upper crust career public servants) which was an avowed Gaullist and supporter of Chevénement (Former Socialist, Former Interior Minister, Statist-sovereignist left). On the whole, she tried to tone down the outspoken racism and pretend to run on a secular nationalist platform (on the local level, the discipline is often not that great, so there's still plenty of clear as day terrible things being said) because that's the only way they could hope to gather enough votes to win the presidency, overcome coalitions against them in other elections and maybe lure some of the so called "republican right" in alliances.

There's been some internal pushback against this move to the center, notably by her niece Marion Maréchal-Le Pen (Did you catch that some neotism is going on here ?), one of the two current MP and the young, good looking darling of rancid fascists. But despite doubts by all observers that Marine's precampaign was all that good, she's still supposed to be a lock for the second round of the presidential election (anything less would be a real blow to her, in fact). Fillon's recent entangling in a scandal is mana from heaven for a party that loves to rail on corruption (despite being as, if not more, crooked than your usual politician) and the left is still in total disarray with the most optimistic issue being a popular wave for independent, mostly without solid party support, Macron. One can hope (and I certainly do), but even if Le Pen probably can't win a second round yet (My own, baseless, gut feel is that she can do 30 to 40%) the FN won't suddenly collapse and will continue to grow strong on other elections. I long suspected that it will in fact outlive the strict "cordoning off" strategy and that some on the "normal" right will grow tired of losing elections in the name of containment and would rather win them with the votes of "deplorables".

My other, purely anecdotal and biased, impression : if things don't change for the better in France in the upcoming mandate, Marine Le Pen has a real shot at the presidency in 2022 (she's only 48 years old, her niece 27). Since the presidential mandate has been shortened to 5 years and tied to the election for the National Assembly (which happens shortly after), she would in all likeliness be able to have the biggest bloc in the Assembly if not a majority. The level of diffuse exasperation of the population with government is really, really high already. The (socio-)economic model is depressed and prospects need to get more positive real fast : I don't think it's a coincidence than most of the major candidates are running with somewhat radical platforms (Fillon : Thatcherite deregulation, Macron : a pseudo Scandinavian flexi-security model, Hamon : Universal income, Mélenchon : A new constitution for a social republic).

TLDR : LOL France
Reuters has the election manifesto
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN15J0GB?il=0
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Post by: VomKriege on February 05, 2017, 08:53:56 AM
Listening to political commentary here and Fillon is probably toasted.
His party's MP were back in their electoral district this weekend for a massive distribution of leaflets for the election and the feedback is pretty bad : a lot of hostile reactions.
Of course the party is in a difficult position, as Fillon was designated in an open primary : whoever they would replace him with wouldn't have that kind of legitimacy. Most obvious solution is taking Juppé (though his score in the primary runoff was a clear loss) but he's playing a bit of theater and wants to be called instead of throwing himself in. There's really not a lot of credible alternatives except Sarkozy, and his judicial baggage is far worse...
Of course the longer he is refusing to step down, the shorter a replacement would have to actually campaign (election is in 77 days). This whole hubbub has sucked the air out of any debate for the last 13 days.

Another telling thing I didn't think about but was said in the radio debate I was listening to : since the beginning, Fillon has been outraged at a so called conspiracy but never once did he comment about the substance of the work his wife has done for him which is the fact of the matter (that she was employed and paid wages has been plainly established).
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Post by: Kara on February 05, 2017, 01:28:39 PM
Quote from: Premium Lager on February 01, 2017, 12:59:13 PM
Quote from: Syph on January 31, 2017, 07:14:40 PM
Lol @ Tusk.
Only thing he has going for him is that he's not Van Rompuy

tusk is alright man

Of all the countries in Europe, I can't think of many where it's more inexcusable than Poland to be a politician and anti-refugee, which Tusk is.

He sometimes says things that makes you wonder what the world would be like if Poland had actually become a global embodiment of solidarity after 1990, which is what that quote I posted is an example of.
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Post by: Sausage on February 05, 2017, 01:42:57 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on February 05, 2017, 08:53:56 AM
Listening to political commentary here and Fillon is probably toasted.
His party's MP were back in their electoral district this weekend for a massive distribution of leaflets for the election and the feedback is pretty bad : a lot of hostile reactions.
Of course the party is in a difficult position, as Fillon was designated in an open primary : whoever they would replace him with wouldn't have that kind of legitimacy. Most obvious solution is taking Juppé (though his score in the primary runoff was a clear loss) but he's playing a bit of theater and wants to be called instead of throwing himself in. There's really not a lot of credible alternatives except Sarkozy, and his judicial baggage is far worse...
Of course the longer he is refusing to step down, the shorter a replacement would have to actually campaign (election is in 77 days). This whole hubbub has sucked the air out of any debate for the last 13 days.

Another telling thing I didn't think about but was said in the radio debate I was listening to : since the beginning, Fillon has been outraged at a so called conspiracy but never once did he comment about the substance of the work his wife has done for him which is the fact of the matter (that she was employed and paid wages has been plainly established).

So.... is Le pen actually going to win?
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Post by: brawndolicious on February 05, 2017, 01:53:40 PM
Did the Quebec terrorist get a lot of attention in France? Positive or negative?
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Post by: VomKriege on February 05, 2017, 04:27:14 PM
Quote from: Sausage on February 05, 2017, 01:42:57 PM
So.... is Le Pen actually going to win?

Fillon freefall seems to mostly benefit Macron at this point.
I am also cautiously optimistic (and going by FN history and polls) that not 50% of french voters are ready to embrace this shit yet.
There will surely be a surge for the opposing candidate, if Le Pen is in the runoff, in name of the so called "Republican Front" though probably a weaker one than in 2002. A lot of leftist voters are still sore in the ass from voting Chirac and I suspect quite a few right wing ones won't return the favor.

Keep in mind however it's a fairly eventful and unpredictable election : Voters in some shape or form sent into the bin the incumbent president Hollande, his last major prime minister Valls, his one term predecessor Sarkozy, Juppé (and by extension Chirac). Add to that the sustained surprise of Macron's bid and now the supposed frontrunner being dead in the water and his party in a pickle (do you really want to run Juppé when it's obvious people are tired of old faces ?) and it's hard to have any certainty.

Quote from: brawndolicious on February 05, 2017, 01:53:40 PM
Did the Quebec terrorist get a lot of attention in France? Positive or negative?

I'm not really in my local media cycle but I don't think it got a lot of play. The Fillon affair, presidential election Trump circus and the Louvre agression dominated airtime.

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Post by: Syph on February 05, 2017, 06:01:23 PM
Quote from: brawndolicious on February 05, 2017, 01:53:40 PM
Did the Quebec terrorist get a lot of attention in France? Positive or negative?
eiffel tower lit up and im sure people changed their FB profile pics
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Post by: VomKriege on February 05, 2017, 06:08:29 PM
Quote from: Syph on February 05, 2017, 06:01:23 PM
Quote from: brawndolicious on February 05, 2017, 01:53:40 PM
Did the Quebec terrorist get a lot of attention in France? Positive or negative?
eiffel tower lit up and im sure people changed their FB profile pics

They shut down the lights of the Eiffel tower actually but yeah.

EDIT :
If I am to believe the French office head of the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, Germans are making  :omg faces at some of the debates in France over Europe, especially Hamon's rather casual handwave of Maastricht guidelines of a 3% deficit.

A journalist at Le Monde was also saying that Northern Europeans were  :wtf in a recent get together at the whole Fillon affair, one Swedish counterpart asking if there was even any vetting beforehand (hint : No).

EDIT 2 :
The leaflets I mentioned earlier that were distributed by Fillon's party -that I thought were standard "vote for us" fare- were actually reading :
"Stop the manhunt !" (...)
"Enough is enough !" (...)
"The masks are off : the left, in all of its forms, only has one objective now : to stop the sole candidate able to defeat it and Marine Le Pen"
They printed 4 millions (!)
No wonder citizens gave MP a mouthful :neogaf
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Post by: VomKriege on February 06, 2017, 04:56:20 AM
Meanwhile...

Mass demonstrations in Romania against the newly-elected government which had the weird idea to try to pass a decree to ease anti-corruption laws (because of the strain on overpopulated prisons, among other justifications). Decree was withdrawn but the protests keep going.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-romania-government-idUSKBN15L0OK?il=0

Protests too in Spain as the former head of the Catalonia region is on trial for trying to push a consultative referendum on separatism. Catalan independence has long been a thing and the chance of a breakup are fairly real.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-spain-politics-catalonia-idUSKBN15L0V3?il=0

Apparently quite a few social media postings were deleted in China, all pertaining to the mysterious vanishing of one of the country's richest men in an Hong Kong hotel a week ago. Speculation of a kidnapping and of Chinese involvement on HK's soil, which is still supposed to enjoy a fair bit of autonomy frommainland.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-billionaire-socialmedia-idUSKBN15L0LJ
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Post by: VomKriege on February 07, 2017, 04:22:52 AM
Fillon did a press conference yesterday to play us some sad violin. Excuses, regrets (to have used ambiguous practices from the past) and he will disclose some of his personal estate fillings. Claims his wife did work but very discreetly. None of it really mitigates the suspicions.

What's clear is that he won't step down. Hubris of almost tasting supreme success two weeks ago and being incapable to let go of his last shot at this, I'd guess...
Besides Trump got elected, so the odds of the voters having the memory of a goldfish are up and rising.
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Post by: Samson Manhug on February 07, 2017, 07:25:16 AM
https://twitter.com/Birdyword/status/828917835753803777
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Post by: VomKriege on February 07, 2017, 05:24:04 PM
French Presidential Election Update :

Fillon is now accusing the financial prosecutors of "violationg the separation of powers"  :omg
The Canard Enchainé, which published a lot of the current info, is now claiming Fillon's wife had a severance package of 45k euros too. "A lie" according to Fillon. He's contesting the sum of a few figures (as he produced some of the paperwork).

The Socialist Party has announced it will exclude any Socialist deciding to support Macron.

Speaking of Macron, rumors of an affair with the president of Radio France (French public radio) Matthieu Gallet made the rounds with mentions of potential pictures proving it. Apparently it's a months old thing ? Supposedly fighting it is why Macron made so much covers of Paris Match with his wife recently. "I have nothing to hide" he said in a meeting of his supporters he invited himself into. "I spent my days and nights with her, she wonders where I would find the time [to have a secret life]" (...) "And I never paid her for that !".

Macron gay ? :yeshrug

Former President Sarkozy should stand trial for the so-called Bygmalion affair, where some money were funneled from his party to the Bygmalion company, a contractor founded by another highranking member of said party, supposedly to organize some of the events of Sarkozy's 2012 campaign : a lot of the bills don't match with any real work done and the money went *poof*, probably in some pockets or to generate a slush fund.
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Post by: Samson Manhug on February 08, 2017, 07:22:00 AM
What is the French media reporting about this call, if anything, VomKriege?

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-foreign-leaders-phone-calls-234770
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Post by: Raist on February 08, 2017, 08:15:42 AM
Not sure why they're reporting on this now considering the call was on Jan 28th.

Major papers (Le Monde, Le Figaro) ore or less all reported the same stuff based on the official PR from the Elysée (the president's office). Was mostly focused on what Hollande said though.

- France will keep its stance on a strong EU, particularly for matters of defense. NATO are the UN are critical organizations.

- Protectionnism is bad

- Climate change is no joke.

- Committed to the fight against terrorism, Syria etc.
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Post by: VomKriege on February 08, 2017, 11:40:57 AM
I'm not sure of the exact reporting, I think Raist summed up things well. Radio France International for instance has a cursory, neutral, paraphrasing of Trump's points ("The US president reassured France and Germany of his commitmebt to NATO but insisted each member had to pay its fair share"). Purely diplomatic communications will probably be filtered in polite terms as they ever were.
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Post by: Samson Manhug on February 08, 2017, 01:54:11 PM
That's what normal happens in the US too but now either White House staff is leaks like a sieve or the papers have good imaginations.
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Post by: Raist on February 08, 2017, 07:20:42 PM
Sooo the Commons have voted on a number of Brexit bills.

Quote
These included Labour MP Harriet Harman's bid to protect the residence rights of EU citizens in the UK, which was outvoted by 332 votes to 290, with three Conservative MPs rebelling.

 :doge

And of course...

Quote
Tory MPs have defeated a law that would have shown whether Brexit will hand Ł350million a week to the NHS.
The bid was voted down by 337 votes to 288 tonight despite a campaign by arch-Remainer Chuka Umunna.

Quote
A Liberal Democrat bid for a referendum on the terms of the UK leaving the EU was defeated by 340 votes to 33.

(I assume there's a typo there)


All according to keikaku etc.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Syph on February 08, 2017, 07:44:55 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on February 08, 2017, 11:40:57 AM
I'm not sure of the exact reporting, I think Raist summed up things well. Radio France International for instance has a cursory, neutral, paraphrasing of Trump's points ("The US president reassured France and Germany of his commitmebt to NATO but insisted each member had to pay its fair share"). Purely diplomatic communications will probably be filtered in polite terms as they ever were.
I mean, bitching and alarmist reactions aside, certain countries DO need to pay at least the minimum.
Now, there's a better way to communicate that point, but that doesn't make it less true.
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Post by: Momo on February 10, 2017, 12:41:48 AM
Top this motherfuckers

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-38923415
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 10, 2017, 02:06:43 AM
I'm kind of disgusted what British defence sec. said about there being no need for a second Scotland referendum and the Scottish government better off focusing on their economy.

Surely the situation has changed so much since 2014 they deserve a second go.

As do the people in Northern Ireland now that the borders will be shut again.

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Post by: Raist on February 10, 2017, 03:51:06 AM
There was so much uncertainty around the status of an independent Scotland in regards to the EU that it definitely tipped the scale in favour of not leaving the UK. Which of course, Westminster back then used at will. But now they're preaching "b-b-but we're a union :'("

They'll never shut the border down between NI and the RoI. No one's gonna touch that one with a 10 foot pole. But if Scotland leaves, assuming they even get a 2nd referendum, they'll just stay out of Schengen and join the CTA.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 10, 2017, 03:58:45 AM
UUh they cannot not shut the border Raist. If NI is not in the EU every car will have to be stopped and every truck inspected.

There is no way not to have a close border without checks between EU and non EU members.

Anything else is based on false hope, as there is no way there will be unregulated travel from and to the EU  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Like hey we leave the trade union, but you can still smuggle shit across in Ireland to avoid tariffs  :lol :lol :lol

The UK wanted out, they are out, if NI wants to leave the UK and join the EU they are free to do so.
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Post by: Raist on February 10, 2017, 04:44:17 AM
Well yeah, that will causes some issues, it being a hole. Note that the RoI is not in the Schengen area, so there will be some degree of checks regardless.

Trust me, they'll never ever shut the border between the republic and NI. Too much historical baggage, it would be a disaster. Even if they do, smuggling will always be an option anyway. Unless they build a wall. They'll just deal with the minimum risks rather than opening that massive can of worms.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 10, 2017, 04:50:50 AM
I don't think you understand? There is no open borders between EU and non EU members. There can't be an excemption as there will be a hole in the fence. So migrants can enter UK, goods can enter EU. It's not going to happen. Ever.

Trust me. There is none and there will be none. Ireland is once again the victim of the UK. It sucks as Ireland is nice and peaceful now, but you can trust the UK to fuck it up as usual.

As if the UK cares about the peace process  :lol
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Post by: Kara on February 10, 2017, 11:04:27 AM
Everyone born in the rump of the Ulster Plantation is entitled to Irish citizenship. Enforcing that border is impossible.

e: To people who are white, obv. #ThankHeavenForTwentySeven
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Post by: Raist on February 10, 2017, 12:00:48 PM
That extends all the way back to at least one grandparent, too.
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Post by: Samson Manhug on February 10, 2017, 01:21:08 PM
Quote from: Premium Lager on February 10, 2017, 04:50:50 AM
I don't think you understand? There is no open borders between EU and non EU members. There can't be an excemption as there will be a hole in the fence. So migrants can enter UK, goods can enter EU. It's not going to happen. Ever.

Trust me. There is none and there will be none. Ireland is once again the victim of the UK. It sucks as Ireland is nice and peaceful now, but you can trust the UK to fuck it up as usual.

As if the UK cares about the peace process  :lol

Aren’t there already non-members of the EU that have passport-free border control? Like Switzerland, Norway, etc.?
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 10, 2017, 02:56:53 PM
nope, still normal borders mate

Quote from: Kara on February 10, 2017, 11:04:27 AM
Everyone born in the rump of the Ulster Plantation is entitled to Irish citizenship. Enforcing that border is impossible.

e: To people who are white, obv. #ThankHeavenForTwentySeven

oh yeah right that entitlement is totally written into stone just like the uk being in the eu

even if everyone in NI had a EU passport there would be a hard border because the state of NI is not in the EU etc etc etc

you guys actually think it will be like no where you just get on the train from dublin and get off in belfast with no fuss  :lol or just drive up north or down south without a border? :lol

sure sure here is 25 trucks full of duty free cigs from trumps america entering the eu via the M1 with no border control

or sure here is 5000 refugees a day just walking into the UK :lol

the crossings will be closed and monitored just like back kn the day, prior agreements or not
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 10, 2017, 03:08:52 PM
you will have to check every car and truck, even if its only to see papers

border will be no different then ukraine/poland border now

there is no way around it
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Post by: Samson Manhug on February 10, 2017, 03:09:38 PM
Quote from: Premium Lager on February 10, 2017, 02:56:53 PM
nope, still normal borders mate

Are you familiar with the Schengen Area?
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Post by: Raist on February 10, 2017, 03:12:04 PM
Quote from: Premium Lager on February 10, 2017, 03:08:52 PM
you will have to check every car and truck, even if its only to see papers

border will be no different then ukraine/poland border now

there is no way around it

You are aware that Ireland is an island, and the RoI is not part of the Schengen area, right?

Conversely, Norway, Iceland (part of the EEA but not the EU) and Switzerland are part of Schengen. Hence no border controls whatsoever.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 10, 2017, 03:13:52 PM
yeah but you still get checked lol, also the uk is stepping out of free movement of people by choice :lol

ive been to norway etc and lived in ireland so I know how it works

norway also has to play by all eu rules and pay contribution, dont think england is up for that...
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 10, 2017, 03:20:31 PM
having open borders means there is a trade agreement for free movement of people and goods, the things the uk is stepping out of, and Norway and Switserlnd pay fees for to have access to

so no there wont be an open border unless the uk accepts free movement, which is the whole reason they left
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Post by: Fifstar on February 10, 2017, 03:23:40 PM
Lager, what do you mean by "no open borders between eu and non eu states"? Of course there are open borders, at least for people. There are no regular passport controls between Switzerland and EU States, only spot tests, and I think it's the same for Norway? Only goods get checked.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 10, 2017, 03:37:10 PM
You can still get checked also as im saying that is with countriss that pay for it aaaaand accept free movement which is the sole reason uk is stepping out
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 11, 2017, 02:29:00 AM
Quote
Verhofstadt said that he was concerned about the ramifications for the peace process in Northern Ireland following the UK’s withdrawal. “Everybody is anxious and saying we don’t want to return to the past. If you take Brexit as it is then, yes, you create a hard border again.
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Post by: the freakin woz on February 17, 2017, 09:37:11 PM
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/832694887321460736
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Post by: VomKriege on February 18, 2017, 05:00:44 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/17/suspect-north-korea-killing-thought-she-was-taking-part-in-tv-prank-indonesia-siti-aisyah-police-kim-jong-nam

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An Indonesian woman arrested for suspected involvement in the killing of the North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un’s half-brother in Malaysia was duped into thinking she was part of a comedy show prank, Indonesia’s national police chief has said, citing information received from Malaysian authorities.

"It's just a prank bro"
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Post by: Great Rumbler on February 18, 2017, 12:41:24 PM
From what I'd read in another article that girl, and maybe a few others, had actually participated in "dry runs" where they did that to other random people [with spritzer bottles of just plain water, probably], so I could see this turning out to be true.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 18, 2017, 09:11:05 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-north-korea-sanctions-coal-economics-nuclear-tests-kim-jong-nam-donald-trump-a7587931.html

reaction to the recent assassination? 
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Post by: Syph on February 19, 2017, 11:59:39 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/ne4fbKq.png)

HAHAHAHAHA
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Post by: Raist on February 20, 2017, 03:19:23 AM
Is that Milo?
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Post by: Raist on February 21, 2017, 05:47:02 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-39031546

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The proposals have been made by NHS bosses as part of a national programme to transform the health service and save money across 44 different areas.

The BBC found 28 affect hospital care, from full closures to centralising services such as accident and emergency and stroke care on fewer sites.

Ministers argue patients will receive better care in the community.

But...

(https://abload.de/img/borisjohnsonyxr4u.jpg)
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 21, 2017, 05:48:55 AM
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhahahahahhahahahahahhaa
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Post by: Rufus on February 21, 2017, 10:25:00 AM
What a bleeding shame.

Next step: "Look, they're not doing a great job (now that we've fucked them). We should consider further reforms."
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Post by: Brehvolution on February 23, 2017, 10:42:04 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/donald-trump-uk-state-visit-speaker-address-parliament-a7565651.html
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Post by: VomKriege on February 26, 2017, 12:20:31 PM
Haven't done this recently because of less time, but the French presidential election update :

Fillon is soldiering through the scandal. Inquiries have been transmitted from the financial police to three inquiry judges (who will lead investigation both for prosecution and defence). Somehow, the spin doctors are saying it's good because the cops were biased or something, despite the justice probes now being directed at half a dozen different set of facts.

François Bayrou, the usual Christian Democrat fifth wheel of presidential election, has decided not to run and have met with Emmanuel Macron.

The Green Party struck a deal with the Socialists and agreed to withdraw their candidate (probably in exchange of guaranteed backing of some Green candidates for Parliament, as per usual).
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Post by: Raist on February 26, 2017, 05:53:56 PM
Quote from: Brehvolution on February 23, 2017, 10:42:04 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/donald-trump-uk-state-visit-speaker-address-parliament-a7565651.html

I guess a whole bunch of MPs won't be able to open their mouth in Westminster then? :teehee
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Post by: VomKriege on February 27, 2017, 02:36:30 AM
Also, far right's Marine Le Pen is actually implicated in a couple of inquiries about occult funding or spending abuse. Her cabinet head was indicted, Le Pen is suspected among other things to have misused Europarliament funds destined to hire parlamientary assistants and she even refused to present herself to the police despite having received an official convocation (and confirmed she will not do so until after the legislative election). Judges are trying to interfere in the election, she said, they should know their place is to interpret existing laws, not create new ones, etc...

Of course, considering her party's schtick is "all politicians are corrupt, we have clean hands, our heads are held high, we stand tall in our boots", her voters are obviously outr... wait, no, actually they don't care. They never cared, despite the Le Pen family dubious personal enrichment through their political activities.

Democracy ! :itagaki
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Post by: Syph on February 27, 2017, 07:39:50 PM
Haven't followed things as closely as you (thanks for the continued updates btw) but barring (god forbid) a terrorist attack on home soil, isn't the election highly likely to play out as the following: Le Pen wins first round, then the left rallies together in the second round and she is unable to win?

Or is there room for new developments
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Post by: VomKriege on February 28, 2017, 02:44:46 AM
Quote from: Syph on February 27, 2017, 07:39:50 PM
Haven't followed things as closely as you (thanks for the continued updates btw) but barring (god forbid) a terrorist attack on home soil, isn't the election highly likely to play out as the following: Le Pen wins first round, then the left rallies together in the second round and she is unable to win?

Or is there room for new developments

It's the expected scenario.
Until it isn't and she wins.
I mean her being the already projected winner of the first round, aka the most popular candidate on her own forces, is kinda bad already.
It also doesn't bode well for the other elections, in particular members of the National Assembly which are decided upon just a few weeks later. Strict quarantining has held so far and left the FN for almost no presence in the legislative branch, but it will break at one point.
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Post by: VomKriege on March 03, 2017, 06:36:26 AM
Fillon is going full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow now. Amidst his convocation by judges "to determine indictment" he's calling for a massive support gathering at the Trocadéro (nearby the Eiffel Tower) this sunday. Valeurs Actuelles, a hard right outlet, is calling it "a protest against the Coup d'Etat by red judges". Fillon is less overt but that's really the message here. There have been scores of defections as well, including his spokeperson.
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Post by: Rufus on March 04, 2017, 03:07:49 PM
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The demonisation of the word "no" is reaching new, seemingly absurd levels.

Anti-smoking leaflets prepared by the Ministry of Health were suddenly withdrawn because they contained the word "hayir" - "no" - in red capital letters. A government MP said "they could be misunderstood".
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39064657

Couple days old now, but wha...?
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Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2017, 04:43:43 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on March 03, 2017, 06:36:26 AM
Fillon is going full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow now. Amidst his convocation by judges "to determine indictment" he's calling for a massive support gathering at the Trocadéro (nearby the Eiffel Tower) this sunday. Valeurs Actuelles, a hard right outlet, is calling it "a protest against the Coup d'Etat by red judges". Fillon is less overt but that's really the message here. There have been scores of defections as well, including his spokeperson.
had to restart this post because i initially started it thinking you were talking about Nathan Fillion
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on March 07, 2017, 02:40:44 AM
Well, actually there's some similarities...

French Presidential Telenovela Update : Today, the shifty Fillon won.
Well, he "won" in the sense that he won't have to step down. Juppé went on TV to say he would not, in any case, be a candidate so there's no backup plan anyway. So the party line is now to unite behind Fillon. He still lot his spokesperson, his campaign manager, former Chirac's prime minister Dominique De Villepin stated in interview he cannot vote for Fillon and he's still under justice examination :yeshrug

Maybe politics will be more audible now.

Macron at last unveiled his program : He's planning on reducing the public servants workforce by 120.000 yet promises to hire 5000 more teachers and 10000 cops.
He wants to reduce taxes on corporations, the highly symbolic tax on high wealth (by only calculating it using real estate assets) and supress the inhabitation tax (paid once a year by all tenants).
He's careful not to go too far but still, he wants to have a single regime for unemployment benefits and pensions (for a more "transparent" and "efficient" system) without pushing back the age of retirement. 20 years ago, the Juppé government basically soft locked the country with strikes when they tried to end specific pensions.
Quite a bit of observers are peeved with the messianic undertones of his campaign but really that's par for the course in France.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Kara on March 07, 2017, 03:23:51 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 04, 2017, 04:43:43 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on March 03, 2017, 06:36:26 AM
Fillon is going full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow now. Amidst his convocation by judges "to determine indictment" he's calling for a massive support gathering at the Trocadéro (nearby the Eiffel Tower) this sunday. Valeurs Actuelles, a hard right outlet, is calling it "a protest against the Coup d'Etat by red judges". Fillon is less overt but that's really the message here. There have been scores of defections as well, including his spokeperson.
had to restart this post because i initially started it thinking you were talking about Nathan Fillion

I always read Macron as macaron. :snoop
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Post by: Samson Manhug on March 07, 2017, 08:37:36 AM
This isn't in the news yet for some reason, but the 75th Ranger Regiment rolled into Syria a few days ago. Boots on the ground, so to speak.

https://sofrep.com/76380/75th-ranger-regiment-hits-ground-syria-raqqa-offensive/

If I had to guess, I'd say they are going to be staying here:

https://twitter.com/wesleysmorgan/status/838466514340757504

I'll try to do a proper write up on this later tonight at Insurgentsia.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 07, 2017, 10:46:34 PM
https://qz.com/926076/in-a-matter-of-hours-the-korean-peninsula-fell-into-a-state-of-geopolitical-tumult/
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Post by: Great Rumbler on March 07, 2017, 11:46:15 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on March 07, 2017, 10:46:34 PM
https://qz.com/926076/in-a-matter-of-hours-the-korean-peninsula-fell-into-a-state-of-geopolitical-tumult/

Really not looking forward to seeing how Trump is going to handle all this.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 08, 2017, 12:48:17 AM
prob just tweets
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Post by: VomKriege on March 08, 2017, 04:03:21 AM
The (socialist) former mayor of Paris has declared support to Macron instead of the party candidate Hamon whose program he deems "dangerous". Supposedly the Socialist Party must expel Macronists per the statement if the First Secretary Cambadélis, but he's kind of a poor's man Hollande and he probably not strong enough (nor willing) to oust "moderates" for a "radical".

Several Hollande loyalists including sitting ministers and former National Assembly president Bartolone have expressed their doubts too (without outright endorsing Macron).

On the other side, the center right faction affiliated to Fillon's party accepted to renew support to Fillon under conditions. Word is that Fillon has been told to tone down the refuge in populist audacity against the media and justice.

Several candidates have provided the mandatory 500+ endorsements by elected officials you need to enter the race, including Troskyist Nathalie Arthaud. The only two major ones not yet there are Le Pen (less than 20 signatures to find) and Mélenchon.

TLDR : French parties are about to explode.
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Post by: Raist on March 08, 2017, 04:22:01 AM
A bill in favour of having Parliament vote on the final Brexit deal was rejected in the Commons when they voted to allow the government to trigger article 50, but has been passed in the House of Lords. So now as per the usual process, it will go back to the Commons. This puts May on the spot and might delay the process. Fun times.
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Post by: Samson Manhug on March 08, 2017, 03:35:37 PM
The US is invading Syria and it's not on TV

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2017/03/08/marines-have-arrived-in-syria-to-fire-artillery-in-the-fight-for-raqqa/?utm_term=.8ada16da6c52
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on March 08, 2017, 05:28:25 PM
I mean US and European troops are stationed in Irak (French artillery platoon IIRC) and engaged in fighting and it's barely on the news too.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on March 09, 2017, 02:46:07 AM
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN16E15H

That Christian core of European high minded ideals
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Raist on March 14, 2017, 03:25:38 AM
Straight outta Yurop episode 53

The Lords backed down on their proposed amendments to allow for a referendum on the Brexit deal and guaranteeing residency for EU citizens who currently live in the UK, and passed the bill - meaning they also gave power to the government to trigger A50 (which should happen by the end of the month).

Sturgeon will request a second independence referendum to be held in late 2018 / early 2019. Highly doubt May is going to roll with it.


Edit:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5_cMbrWMAAum70.jpg)

:lol :rofl
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on March 15, 2017, 03:18:31 AM
Well, Fillon is indicted on at least four counts. Won't step down though. All of the suspect laundry is being tossed out in public from undisclosed loans to receiving close of 50.000e worth of suits as gifts from someone (identity not publicized).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Kara on March 15, 2017, 03:35:22 AM
lel, Tusk was reelected?
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Post by: benjipwns on March 15, 2017, 04:15:42 AM
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Nicolas Dupont-Aignan, who was not invited, denounced the debate as a "rape of democracy,
:dead
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Post by: benjipwns on March 15, 2017, 04:17:47 AM
i think France could do better and get all five major candidates facing charges of some kind before the first debate, they have five whole days!
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Post by: Kara on March 15, 2017, 04:24:03 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 15, 2017, 04:17:47 AM
i think France could do better and get all five major candidates facing charges of some kind before the first debate, they have five whole days!

35 hour workweek doe :doge
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Post by: benjipwns on March 15, 2017, 07:38:02 AM
it depends on where you vote, we don't vote just for President or MP or whatever but a million different little offices

like here's a couple sample ballots from different states:
(http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/files/2008/01/nov_06_sample_ballot_side1-800c.jpg)(http://lifeattheharriscountycriminaljusticecenter.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Marked-Sample-Ballot.png)(https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/491660/pages/tulsa-county-sample-ballot-p1-normal.gif)
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Post by: benjipwns on March 15, 2017, 08:13:49 AM
https://www.rt.com/news/380771-rt-fakecheck-news-project/
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In a post-truth world, it's sometimes hard to distinguish between what is real and what is fake news. RT’s new special project, FakeCheck, helps you to separate fact from fiction and transit into a post-fake reality.

With the proliferation of social media channels, few people find or have the time to dig into the source of information they are being fed through their Facebook and Twitter feeds. Unknowingly and against their will, they often fall prey to hoaxes, propaganda, and disinformation masquerading as real news.
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So if you stumble on a news story that just looks like it is out of this world, head over to RT's FakeCheck – a special project dedicated to cutting through the bias, inaccuracies, misinformation and outright falsehoods in major news stories.

FakeCheck is an interactive, easy-to-use multimedia portal that breaks down popular news stories in an easily-digestible manner, covering both serious topics and viral hits.

In an interview to RNS news outlet, answering a question on whether it is impossible to fight the spread of unreliable information, RT’s editor-in-chief Margarita Simonyan said: “Not exactly. We are taking action. In particular, we’ve launched the Fakecheck project. We will debunk fakes that are extensively distributed across the mainstream media.”

“Someone – the Washington Post, for example – will write some complete nonsense, and then the whole world reprints it! Say, when the newspaper wrote about a hacking attack on a US electricity network, for which Russia was allegedly responsible. It was alleged that Russian hackers broke into the American power grid through a power company. One had been under the impression that the whole of America would plunge into darkness. Yet later, the energy company denied the information. It turned out that only one laptop of the company was infected, and it was not even connected to the general network.

“And yet, it all remains in the public mind as an actual fact, even if […] a refutation was later issued. Therefore, we are launching this project so that such things are debunked. It is clear that there must be more such projects, of course,” Simonyan said.

"With today’s overabundance of sources and prevalence of social media streams in news delivery, misinformation can spread like wildfire, with unverified reports, rumors, and outright falsehoods getting serious news treatment,” RT’s Deputy Head of News Andrey Kiyashko said in a press statement. “RT’s new project helps you separate fact from fake.”
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 15, 2017, 10:28:54 AM
Didnt know I had to register to vote from abroad

Blame me if Wilders wins
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Post by: benjipwns on March 15, 2017, 12:20:07 PM
Lager aside turnout is up quite a bit apparently.
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Post by: Kara on March 15, 2017, 01:42:28 PM
Should have voted SP, Dufus. /Jacobin
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 15, 2017, 04:20:32 PM
Wilders apparently getting a beating :rock
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Post by: Kara on March 16, 2017, 01:33:46 AM
http://www.dailyedge.ie/irish-politicians-like-beyonce-3274798-Mar2017/

 :lol Best Ireland

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:aah Sinn Fein

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I’d like her a lot better if she paid the Sri Lanka women who sew her clothing line a decent wage while she enjoys a personal wealth of over a quarter of a billion dollars.

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I am republican, but Beyoncé is the only queen I have time for.

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If I had to pick just one (which is unfair) it would be “Irreplaceable.” Apart from the general good advice from Beyoncé that we should move “to the left, to the left,” it would behove us all as elected members of the Dáil that we should never for a second get to thinking we’re irreplaceable.

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That said, I always felt “Bills, Bills, Bills” from Beyoncé’s days in Destiny’s Child was a good allegory for what has faced the Irish working class.
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 16, 2017, 02:27:06 PM
journal.ie is a premium source of banter
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Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2017, 11:54:30 PM
thanks to PD for link to this Dutch and French elections expert explaining everything:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD5NYI-hP50
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on March 19, 2017, 05:51:37 AM
In the French election, we now have the complete field of candidates (pending confirmation their 500 endorsements are deemed valid). 11 this time round, which is fairly normal (10 in 2012, 12 in 2007) and far away from the record 16 in 2002.

Besides the main candidates I mentioned a fair bit (Mélenchon, Hamon, Macron, Fillon, Le Pen) the rest of the field is :

- Nathalie Arthaud, the spokesperson for the secretive Trotskyist Lutte Ouvričre, in her second run. She walks in the path of her predecessor Arlette Laguiller and her 6 consecutive runs in the election under the same banner (first woman in the election in 1974). Nathalie Arthaud is a "class candidate" and an economy teacher (lots of economy teachers in french politics...)

- Philippe Poutou for the Nouveau Parti Anticapitaliste (which itself is mostly a reskin of the old Trotskyist Ligue Communist Révolutionnaire). Worker in a Ford factory, union leader. On his second run.

- Jean Lasalle for Résistons, former associate of Christian Democrat middleweight Bayrou (who joined Macron for this bid), he's a mayor and MP from the deep Pyrénées (the mountain range separating France from Spain) who became famous for a 39 days long hunger strike to protest a factory moving. Stands for rural France.

- Jacques Cheminade for Solidarité et Progrčs, tried to run 6 times in the election but it's only his third valid bid (he failed to get endorsements the other times). He's the oldest and cloud cuckoolander candidate (wants to colonize the moon) but he's actually connected to Lyndon LaRouche. Wants France to leave NATO, the EU and the Euro. Former student at HEC (highest commerce school in France) and ENA (which produces a lot of career ubli servants and politicians).

- François Asselineau for the Union Populaire Républicaine, also a former HEC and ENA student, former public finance inspector, former member of the right wing mainstream party but constantly floating to his right under Charles Pasqua (Former representative of all the shady underbelly of gaullism, became famous when he said he wanted to "terrorize the terrorists" in the nineties) then Philippe de Villiers (Catholic ultra-conservative), now defending a "sovereignist" bent stance including a "Frexit" from the EU. Somewhat of a minor Internet sensation those last few years.

- Nicolas Dupont-Aignan for Debout la France, a right wing politician placing himself between Le Pen and Fillon who broke with the mainstream party back in 2007 when Sarkozy took complete control. Also a sovereignist. Also suggesting France should maybe leave the EU in "its current form". He has a couple of schticks like presenting himself as the champion of car owners (a demographic prone to pout and feeling targeted). He's on his third run.

Those six candidates will probably not tally more than 10% combined (in reality, bar any surprise, probably closer to 5%) and they're mostly non factors.
However, upon examining the complete list, the left is fielding a low number of candidates. Greens have joined Hamon and Communists rallied (after a narrow vote) to Mélenchon, somewhat contrary to tradition of running someone. The problem is that the 3 major candidates are all able to do over 10%.

EDIT: Poutou claims Lasalle endorsed his presidential run to help him mount a viable bid...

Also, to the surprise of no one, former Socialist Prime Minister Valls refused to endorse his party candidate Hamon.

Macron said he wanted to reinstate a mandatory conscription (only a month long however). Chirac decided in 1997 that the French Army was to become a professional, voluntary enlistment only, institution. The mandatory service was 10 months long then.

Latest BVA poll :

First round :
Le Pen 26%
Macron 25%
Fillon 19,5%
Hamon 12,5%
Mélenchon 12%
Dupont-Aignan 3%

Second round :
Le Pen 38%
Macron 62%

When asked if they were firm and sure of their choice of candidates, voters said :
Le Pen 80% sure
Fillon 70%
Mélenchon 58%
Macron 54%
Hamon 44%
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on March 19, 2017, 06:02:53 AM
Basque separatist organization ETA is claiming they want to disarm fully for April 8th and are ready to work with the Spanish and French governments to reveal the location of weapons caches.
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Post by: VomKriege on March 20, 2017, 03:29:05 PM
Reuters War College podcast has an interesting episode titled "How spreading democracy keeps dictators in power" with academic Alastair Smith (co author of The Dictator's Handbook: Why Bad Behavior is Almost Always Good Politics). In short Smith believes that dictatorships are built on small coalitions of power players, that a dictator survival will hinge on keeping that small coalition happy, that international courts and the like -no matter how immoral it sounds- is providing a negative incentive to stepping down and that foreign aid is mostly to the benefit of propping them up whatever the intent (Smith seems to think that the only pressure dictators really bow too is the reduction of the cashflow they redirect to their core base).

https://soundcloud.com/war_college/how-spreading-democracy-keeps

It's a very cold, cynical and simplistic-sounding approach (though obviously an interview in a podcast is gonna be reductive by essence), but Smith mentions some interesting facts in his own defense : he claims that data show that nations that get elected to the UN security council (the 10 rotating seats) will see consistently their aid go up and their economic growth go down for the duration of the mandate.

The other thing I found interesting is that he explains that defining regimes by how small (or large) a coalition they must keep happy allows for grading them on a continuous scale instead of just opposing "democracies" and "autocracies".

It's a short listen so give it a try.
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Post by: VomKriege on March 21, 2017, 05:33:03 AM
So there was a big debate with the 5 main candidates to the French election yesterday. Best zinger goes to Mélenchon who exclaimed "Internal debate in the Socialist Party is a good thing !" when Hamon and Macron went into an argument.

Otherwise :yeshrug
Macron was put in a difficult place when Hamon mentioned some of his big campaign donors. Le Pen did her thing and presented some graph on how globalization tanked French jobs. Apparently quite a bit of "fair play" as Fillon didn't get hammered by remarks about his ongoing scandals (but he was very shy in the part of the debate about moralizing the tenure of public offices). Everyone played to their crowds.
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Post by: VomKriege on March 22, 2017, 05:15:44 AM
French Interior Ministry Bruno Le Roux left his position in an hurry, less than a day after the press unearthed the fact he hired -as a MP- his two daughters for jobs (starting at age 15 !) paid in total 55k euros and an inquiry has been opened.

The scope of the investigation targeting Fillon has been widened to include forgery & falsification, serious fraud.

(http://i.imgur.com/SrzGm8K.jpg)
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Post by: chronovore on March 22, 2017, 05:53:17 AM
http://resistancereport.com/world/man-thrown-fourth-floor/

https://twitter.com/BBCDanielS/status/844279337620832257
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Post by: T-Short on March 22, 2017, 08:43:58 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/ks83Ioi.jpg)

:hyper
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Post by: T-Short on March 22, 2017, 11:58:32 AM
https://twitter.com/ahmetasabanci/status/844574465572921345
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Post by: Raist on March 23, 2017, 08:25:38 AM
Quote from: Hyoushi on March 22, 2017, 08:43:58 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/ks83Ioi.jpg)

:hyper

It's actually kool aid.
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Post by: Syph on March 23, 2017, 03:11:55 PM
media falling over themselves to point out the terrorist was born in the UK
smh

if anything doesn't that just reinforce the lack of assimilation?
fuck
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 23, 2017, 05:13:54 PM
dude was deranged for like 3 decades
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Post by: Raist on March 23, 2017, 05:41:21 PM
The UK has some issues with extremists. Never got used to see "protests" calling for shariah law etc going on openly.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 26, 2017, 12:00:23 PM
https://foreignpolicy.com/2014/04/14/abuse-of-power/
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Post by: VomKriege on March 26, 2017, 06:24:27 PM
So I watched a few of Mélenchon's videos on his Youtube channel, because I wanted to hear it from the horse's mouth and he is my tentative vote this April.

The man is on top of his new media game, hosting not only his full rallies but also doing a weekly op-ed (this is what I ended up watching) where he often gushes on the numbers of subscribers going up and asking people to give "blue thumbs up" if they liked it. He always appear very active (one of the episodes is shot on the train as he is going to Marseille for a meeting on women's rights).

He's also very, very good at coming across as authentic in his "working class" persona (He's fond of using the word "you people" to adress the audience, "the lads" & "the friends" for his collaborators and followers and to use mildly vulgar language), and he's clearly enamored by the idea of being a modern day Roman tribune. I'm not one to judge his actual credentials and really that's not the point because he is selling this with his sincerity on understated social issues (he had segments dedicated to the homeless who die on the streets, water shortages in French Mayotte or public offices obstructing the access to showers provided to refugees by the Catholic Relief in Calais).

Otherwise, and unsurprisingly, there's a lot of old and familiar rhetoric from the progressive camp being repackaged here. He's insisting a lot on an Europe made for peace in opposition to "European defence" and NATO, with some echos to the naive optimism of Jaurés and Soviet arguments that the West is the one with the agressive posture (and the spending to match). He's very adamant that French armed forces and strategy are made for defending French borders exclusively (likewise, not unheard of in yer olde communist rhetoric). He's worried of the current arms race and is a partisan of nuclear disarmement (though stating with the biggest owners). He'll sometimes use that old ambiguous favorite of vaguely defined "Financial / money powers that be" pulling the strings (of international free trade deals for instance). He probably wouldn't like to hear it, but there's sometimes a wee slight bit of conspiracy undertones to his patterns (notably on the "Théo scandal", a big item recently where a young man was sodomized by a police baton despite only passing by cops on intervention. Mélenchon ends his bit on the apparent increase of police brutality by wondering if "there's something weird going on").

There's some new stuff there, though, for sure. Mélenchon is very much at the forefront of the climate change issue, wants to get France out of nuclear plants and aim for "100% renewables in 2050". As an example of the kind of things his party is looking into, he made a small expose on using soil / earth as a construction material (something incredibly mundane in many places of the world and not that uncommon in France) for houses instead of cement or concrete. It's scientifically sounder, less taxing on resources, "can't be shipped overseas" and "create more jobs for humans". He's also been very vocal on animal suffering within food production (a rather unconventional stance, esp. in France where grotesquely abused livers from poultry are a delicacy). He sometimes veers into weird territory though, like when he goes on about using grown algua as a major food protein supply "with production units that can be set up within cities" hinting at some very retro science fiction stuff.

Overall he's adept at selling his project as both big picture and coherent (we have to draft a new constitution for a 6th republic in order to change the production paradigm in order to switch to a more sustainable model for nature and in order to approach foreign policy under the two principle of peace and solidarity) all the while having tons of actionable, concrete, propositions "that can be put in place fairly quickly". Problem is there's an unspoken contradiction : he wants the new republic to be much less of a top down, monarchy-with-a-term, affair. Yet calling for a new Constituent Assembly will probably be a drawn out affair over at least a couple years and in the meantime he'll very much have to direct all of those big projects from the top if he wants them to get going day-1.

I'm also too cynical to buy into his foreign policy stances, I honestly can't see leaving NATO (which is not the same as being aloof to it like France was up until recently) and possibly the EU altogether as beneficial, no matter how good natured the intentions are -though for the EU, I guess the threat of leaving is the only real chip France have if you want to negociate a social and political Europe-. All the talk of Peace is admirable, but does not inform a realistic day to day foreign policy. Especially since at one point in the video, he comments on the Franco-Swiss Lafarge cement group admitting having paid "protection money" to Daesh in Syria to keep business open there as "aiding the enemy". Thus I take it there's such a thing to him as real enemies that may warrant the use of force. I'm not sure how he reconciles any sort of armed intervention in Sahel, Libya, Syria or Irak (as France is conducting now) against jihadist groups with the whole Peace / exit NATO spiel, to be honest.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on March 29, 2017, 02:57:14 AM
Former Socialist Primer Minister Valls just said he would vote Macron. There's other high profile defections (Le Drian, loyal defence minister of Hollande, for instance). Rumor is that, besides better ideological affinities, they're betting on Macron winning but his nascent party not getting a majority in the Assembly. I guess that's possible but it's a rather risky position to take : "Do you think the French are dense enough to elect me in May and yet refuse me the majority I need to be able to govern in June ?" said late Mitterrand back then and up to this point it has always held true in the Vth Republic...

Fillon's wife was indicted, too. It's the sad clown act that keeps on giving.

Huge strike in French Guyana ongoing and the Franco-Asian community in Paris has taken to the streets again after a fifty years old was killed by police during a domestic disturbance. I think I mentioned that a year ago they were already protesting after a man was killed by three bag snatchers. The Asian community in Paris, often seen as quiet if not secluded, feels the police is not providing them with the same level of safety.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Kara on March 29, 2017, 03:28:36 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on March 26, 2017, 06:24:27 PM
So I watched a few of Mélenchon's videos on his Youtube channel, because I wanted to hear it from the horse's mouth and he is my tentative vote this April.

I'm so proud of you VK. When you decided to join a union awhile back I knew you'd end up here.  :')
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: T-Short on March 29, 2017, 06:07:59 AM
https://twitter.com/JoeTwyman/status/847017907800412160

death penalty with a narrow lead over blue passports
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Rufus on March 29, 2017, 10:54:50 AM
This is what they imagine 'freedom' buys, huh. A "back in my day" wishlist full of feelgood nonsense.

Here's the entire thing (pdf):
http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/tl8kg6q3i9/InternalResults_170222_AfterBrexit_W.pdf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Raist on March 29, 2017, 12:57:34 PM
In her letter May mentioned already beginning future trade agreement talks. She was immediately told to fuck off :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on March 31, 2017, 01:26:50 AM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-30/venezuela-s-supreme-court-takes-over-national-assembly-duties
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the country’s Supreme Court gutted the only opposition-run institution -- the Congress -- seizing its powers and declaring the elected body invalid
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In Wednesday’s ruling, the Supreme Court’s Constitutional Chamber declared the National Assembly was operating “outside the rule of law” after long standing claims that the legislature was in contempt of previous legal statements.

“The Constitutional Chamber shall ensure that the parliamentary powers are exercised directly by this Chamber or by the body it appoints to ensure the rule of law,” the decision said.

Venezuela’s dueling political factions have been at loggerheads since opponents of President Nicolas Maduro took control of the legislature last year. Since then, the Supreme Court, largely loyal to Maduro government, has curbed congress’s powers and overturned almost every piece of legislation passed. Until Wednesday though, it hadn’t gone as far as directly assuming congress’s functions.
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Maduro’s opponents quickly condemned the ruling as an illegal power grab.

“This is a dictatorship, and this was a coup,” Julio Borges, president of the National Assembly, said at press conference in Caracas. “The world has to help us and set off alarms.”

The legal dispute stems from accusations of fraud in the 2015 congressional elections, where the opposition won a landslide victory amid a wave of anger over widespread food shortages and skyrocketing inflation. Three opposition lawmakers were accused of foul play, and the Supreme Court says any decision taken by the National Assembly is null while they remain in the chamber.
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Foreign Minister Delcy Rodriguez took to her Twitter account to respond by denouncing what she called “a concert of the regional right-wing to attack Venezuela’s democratic system built on its popular base.”
nothing about Russians?!?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on April 01, 2017, 02:15:03 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/04/01/russian-foreign-ministry-pokes-april-fools-fun-hacking-scandal/99904194/
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In a cheeky bout of April Fools' Day fun, the Russian foreign ministry has posted a proposed voicemail message for its embassy answering machines to help callers seeking Russian hackers or requesting interference in elections.

The "pilot" audio was posted Saturday on the foreign ministry's Facebook page among legitimate posts about bilateral discussions with Kyrgyzstan and daily briefings.

The post is billed as an answering machine message, in Russian and English, being tried out for Russian embassies and consulates.

“To arrange a call from a Russian diplomat to your political opponent, press 1,” the recording begins. Press 2 “to use the services of Russian hackers,” and 3 “to request election interference.”
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Brehvolution on April 03, 2017, 09:22:26 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-blast-metro-idUSKBN17519G

It's starting
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Rufus on April 03, 2017, 10:46:35 AM
Continuing, you mean.
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Post by: Kara on April 03, 2017, 05:25:24 PM
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Venezuela's pro-government Supreme Court revoked its takeover of the opposition-led Congress on Saturday after it drew international condemnation and protests against socialist President Nicolas Maduro.

"This controversy is over," Maduro said just after midnight at a specially convened state security committee.

The committee ordered the top court to reconsider Wednesday's court ruling, which effectively nullified the legislature . . . The tribunal duly erased two controversial judgments and its president, Maikel Moreno, met with both foreign envoys and journalists to explain the decision, insisting there had never been any intention to strip the National Assembly of its powers.

What a dictatorship.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on April 03, 2017, 06:54:32 PM
Fifteen or so people have been fined 68 euros for clapping cooking pans in front of the entrance of a Fillon meeting at Calais. "(Dragging) a cooking pan" (Casserole) is a slang term for stuff (like scandals) that sticks to someone and the cooking pan concert is an old form of protest.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Kara on April 03, 2017, 08:00:45 PM
Ecuador elected Lenin president.  :o

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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Syph on April 03, 2017, 08:12:48 PM
Ayaan Hirsi Ali tour cancelled.....
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 03, 2017, 08:20:27 PM
Quote from: Kara on April 03, 2017, 05:25:24 PM
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Venezuela's pro-government Supreme Court revoked its takeover of the opposition-led Congress on Saturday after it drew international condemnation and protests against socialist President Nicolas Maduro.

"This controversy is over," Maduro said just after midnight at a specially convened state security committee.

The committee ordered the top court to reconsider Wednesday's court ruling, which effectively nullified the legislature . . . The tribunal duly erased two controversial judgments and its president, Maikel Moreno, met with both foreign envoys and journalists to explain the decision, insisting there had never been any intention to strip the National Assembly of its powers.

What a dictatorship.
See Bolivar? See? THIS is what happens when you start the party insisting that there must be centralized power.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Syph on April 04, 2017, 03:50:24 AM
German boy beaten, kicked by Muslim schoolmates after telling them he is Jewish (http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/german-boy-beaten-by-muslim-schoolmates-after-telling-them-he-is-jewish)

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The 14-year-old, who cannot be named under child protection laws, was beaten, kicked and threatened with a replica gun after he revealed to fellow pupils that he was Jewish.
He endured a campaign of intimidation by Muslim pupils who told him “Muslims hate Jews. All Jews are murderers.”

smfh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 04, 2017, 05:27:54 AM
And people say muslims have trouble adapting to their new countries culture
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Fifstar on April 04, 2017, 07:47:17 AM
 :heyman
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on April 10, 2017, 01:30:27 AM
The French Presidential Election : comedy edition

So this year the candidates had to make a statement of their revenues. Those declarations can't really be cross checked by fiscal authorities because that would be "interfering with the campaign" and the relevant body hasn't finished yet processing those of the MPs filled a couple years ago anyway  :doge So it's all really just a bit of showmanship and we have to trust the candidates are being honest in the process.

There's a couple of funny bits though :

Fillon values his own "big individual house" (actually a manor of 3000+ m2 of superficy with 14 bedrooms + its park) in the Sarthe at 750k euros  :neogaf :insane :putin

Despite earning respectively 20k a month for Fillon and over a million a year for Macron, they both say they have put next to nothing in savings and investments. And those people claims they will straighten French treasury  :lol

The actual dialogue in the talk show hosted by Bourdin

- Bourdin : "Are you able to put some of your money in savings?"
- Fillon : "Me ?"
- B. : "Yes."
- F. : "Personally, no. No."
- B. : "35% of French citizens manage to, I don't know if you're aware of that fact."
- F. : "Hmmmmm"

Hmmmm indeed.

Meanwhile Marine Le Pen said "France was not responsible" for the 1942 Vél' d'Hiv' Raid where French police carried & arrested 13000 jews who later were almost all killed in German run camps (and added stuff about how French/whites are being shamed unfairly, no apologies, yadda yadda you know the drill). The consensual position since 1995 and a Chirac statement has been that France was complicit and guilty in that instance. At the time, Jean-Marie Le Pen, then leader of FN and father of Marine, stated that Chirac was "paying back an electoral debt" to Jews
 :trash
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Syph on April 10, 2017, 02:52:57 AM
Wow
Not to mention emulating her father is not going to win her any more votes in the first place smh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on April 12, 2017, 04:12:59 AM
You can do the French Presidential iSideWith quiz (http://france.isidewith.com/en/elections/2017-french-presidential/) in English and stuff now. (It hadn't been updated a few months ago and still had Sarkozy and Hollande as the only possible results.) I mostly just went with yes and no answers and didn't weight anything. I especially only did yes or no on French specific things that I had to google and still didn't really know what it was asking. Also increasingly as it asked me five thousand foreign policy questions.

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Candidates you side with...
48% UNSUBMISSIVE FRANCE - Jean-Luc Mélenchon
48% SOCIALIST PARTY - Benoît Hamon
44% EN MARCHE! - Emmanuel Macron
41% THE GREENS - Yannick Jadot
33% THE REPUBLICANS - François Fillon
28% NATIONAL FRONT - Marine Le Pen
21% FRANCE ARISE - Nicolas Dupont-AignanIs there a Submissive France I can vote for? :phil

I agree with Le Pen on Transportation apparently.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: archnemesis on April 12, 2017, 05:31:53 AM
65% Macron
63% Dupont-Aignan
62% Fillon

The rest are very close between 51 and 56%. I doubt this is accurate for me. They probably started at 50% and then couldn't get much overlap between my position and the candidates.

The US poll seemed more accurate.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: headwalk on April 12, 2017, 09:26:17 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on April 12, 2017, 04:12:59 AM
I agree with Le Pen on Transportation apparently.

more one way cattle trains to remote polish villages?

i see you spicer.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on April 12, 2017, 09:41:55 AM
that just sounds like one of those public-private partnership cronyist scams to me, there's free movement within the EU, they can pay for their own transportation :bolo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 13, 2017, 10:50:58 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39569993
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: chronovore on April 16, 2017, 09:53:41 AM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on April 13, 2017, 10:50:58 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39569993

I wish your country luck.

Home growing seems like it should be the best option; eliminate the sale/reward for it, let people treat it like home-brewed beer, and let people do what they want. Trying to regulate it is theoretically great, but crime can move in the same way they have with legal shops in Colorado and WA. Or the say that the mexican mafia has co-opted legal stuff like avocados.

If only outlaws can control avocadoes, only the outlaws can supply guacamole. ˇLIVE MAS!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 16, 2017, 04:48:19 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39612562

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has claimed victory in the referendum on granting him sweeping new powers, saying it was won by a clear majority.

He was speaking in Istanbul as the count neared completion. With more than 99% of ballots counted, "Yes" was on 51.36% and "No" on 48.64%.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on April 17, 2017, 01:42:38 AM
Somewhat hilarious to listen to the guests of a mostly liberal radio show (on public radio) melt down as the French election approaches and everytime they mentioned Mélenchon (to be fair, one of the guest is a Figaro -the biggest right wing newspaper- editorialist). Usually it's a pretty good show though with its clear preferences, but the latest one was really a textbook example of opposing the so-called good "reformists" to the bad "populists" without really commenting on the substance (also lots of mentions to Mélenchon being a French Chavez, etc). Hopefully Lionel Zinsou, the former prime minister of Bénin, was a breath of fresh air by offering a more candid and optimist perspective : Is it really bad that the bipartism has blown up ? Isn't the question of how to tackle the inequalities of globalisation a more pertinent debate now than rehashing some of the tired debates from said bipartism ? Doesn't the fact that four candidates are running strong proof that the political debate has actually opened ? Also the legislative election might at last gain back some of its importance and not just be the afterthought it became since the Presidential mandate has been put in sync with it, without any "midterm" at that level.

Most everyone agreed that this election was under the international spotlight (and a major talking point in any African establishment dinner according to Zinsou) all while producing a more confusing response by the French voters themselves. Polls are murky but it seems only 66% of voters are sure they will participate at this point (Traditionally, the Vth Republic Presidential Election is a high turnout affair). People are both, according to studies, interested in the campaign but also state they didn't learn much and that they're sick of parties and certain debates. There's also a growing sentiment that primaries were a mistake, nothing but trash, participated in making the campaign longer and (maybe) to designate poor candidates... but the "wisdom" will probaby change shapes depending on the actual result of the vote.

Polls haven't changed that much since last time I posted one, the only thing of note is that according to some of them, the four leading candidates (Macron, Le Pen, Fillon, Mélenchon) could all be within the margin of error (22% for the two favorites and 19-20% for the next two) and thus the Le Pen / Macron duel could not be that foregone.

I still suspect Mélenchon may have inflated numbers (though I will most likely vote for him, find him energizing and eloquent, and am navigating in circles where he is very popular) and that some will come back home to the Socialist Party in the end even if Hamon is apparently hopelessly behind. But who knows ? Maybe now is the time. If he ever gets through I hope I won't regret casting my vote for him.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Kara on April 17, 2017, 02:58:37 AM
Is this about la République or the Imperium of Man. :holeup

(http://i.imgur.com/jhkhYwl.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on April 17, 2017, 03:20:49 AM
Arguably France has always done the middle one.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Raist on April 17, 2017, 04:42:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElYNWz7m10I&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on April 17, 2017, 08:37:44 PM
Oh thank god, finally there's some indepth coverage of the French elections to post in this thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkZir1L7fSY

Off to give strong and forceful opinions on French politics.

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I think PoliGAF didn't get a joke I made about Robespierre once. :fbm
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Raist on April 18, 2017, 01:45:12 PM
That's what I posted above. Just realized the account was taken down.


Anyway.

Theresa May then: "The prime minister has said she does not want to call a snap election before 2020 because she believes the UK needs stability."

Theresa May today: "UK Prime Minister Theresa May has announced plans to call a snap general election on 8 June. She said Britain needed certainty, stability and strong leadership following the EU referendum."

:rofl

Corbyn is all excited. Of course, he's going to get obliterated. Again.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: benjipwns on April 18, 2017, 03:45:55 PM
They need a two-thirds majority now because of those fixed terms they implemented back in 2011 but Corbyn is on board.

This Times poll from last Friday has it 46% Con - 25% Lab - 11% LD - 9% UKIP with the preferred PM at 50% May - 28% None - 14% Corbyn - 11% Not Sure.

Fuckery :lawd
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 18, 2017, 04:43:00 PM
Brilliant move from May
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Kara on April 19, 2017, 12:14:07 AM
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La plus extravagante idée qui puisse naître dans la tęte d'un politique est de croire qu'il suffise ŕ un peuple d'entrer ŕ main armée chez un peuple étranger, pour lui faire adopter ses lois et sa constitution.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on April 19, 2017, 05:39:16 AM
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La plus extravagante idée qui puisse naître dans la tęte d'un politique est de croire qu'il suffise ŕ un peuple d'entrer ŕ main armée chez un peuple étranger, pour lui faire adopter ses lois et sa constitution.

...And then France went on doing just that for 2 centuries and a half.

I'm not surprised and I understand why it is, but the John Oliver bit was really, really superficial.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 20, 2017, 12:15:10 AM
Venezuela in uprising. Things have been such a mess. I wish I was there to help. I just hope it does something this time. Chavez coming to power was a lot like Trump here. Kept on telling everyone "Guys, it's a bad idea. A BAD IDEA." And they were like "Nah man! We need to burn it all down rather than keep it the same!" And now we see what a country is like when it does get burnt all the way down. Not the first time protests like this have started, but it's never gotten this bad before. Here's to hoping.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 20, 2017, 02:49:28 AM
I'd heard things were getting pretty bad there, like people standing in line all day just to get food and then still going home empty-handed sometimes. Hopefully they can somehow get things righted, but the current leadership sounds like it's still pretty entrenched [and still has the backing of the military].

I'm sure it's always been this way, but it just feels like some many places across the globe are in chaos or veering towards it. :-\
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 20, 2017, 07:19:53 AM
the pendulum swings
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 20, 2017, 11:48:38 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 20, 2017, 02:49:28 AM
I'd heard things were getting pretty bad there, like people standing in line all day just to get food and then still going home empty-handed sometimes. Hopefully they can somehow get things righted, but the current leadership sounds like it's still pretty entrenched [and still has the backing of the military].

I'm sure it's always been this way, but it just feels like some many places across the globe are in chaos or veering towards it. :-\
Oh it's really awful, worse than I ever remember.

A good example, one of my friends in Venezuela got a can of condensed milk for Christmas and that was it and she was one of the lucky people.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 20, 2017, 03:59:33 PM
sounds like Poland during martial law in the 80s
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Kara on April 20, 2017, 09:46:35 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 20, 2017, 02:49:28 AM
I'd heard things were getting pretty bad there, like people standing in line all day just to get food and then still going home empty-handed sometimes. Hopefully they can somehow get things righted, but the current leadership sounds like it's still pretty entrenched [and still has the backing of the military].

Quick and dirty overview if you've got 20 minutes (the last bit is about how shit Orban is, which is both unrelated and vaguely understood by anyone who reads a newspaper).

https://soundcloud.com/naclaradio/49-1-julia-buxton-on-venezuela

If you don't have the time: Venezuela's opposition is lol, which exacerbates the situation considerably. Shockingly no one has a quick solution to improving a country with perhaps the most severe case of Dutch disease out there.

Funny how the PSUV's poor record on advancing women or removing the obvious racial bias in patterns of incarceration never comes up, isn't it? :marimo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on April 22, 2017, 07:45:18 PM
Jehovah Witnesses might just have been banned and outlawed by a Russian court decision. Their headquarters might get closed & property seized as a result, along with publications being censored.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Rufus on April 23, 2017, 06:47:16 AM
Pandering to the Orthodox Church(goers), or 'foreign influence is ew'-nationalism?
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Post by: VomKriege on April 23, 2017, 07:36:11 AM
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Pandering to the Orthodox Church(goers), or 'foreign influence is ew'-nationalism?

Probably a little dash of both, there were mentions that a Tolstoi quote lambasting the Orthodox Church in their literature was among the things mentioned in court. Maybe also genuine concern at a sectarian movement (JW members refusing blood transfusions for themselves and more importantly their children was apparently a sticking point of outrage, as they are most everywhere including in the Western world).

---

As you probably guessed, I voted this morning. Nothing to do now but wait for the results around 20-21h.
The unlikely case of a Le Pen - Mélenchon second round would at least provide me with much entertainment from the foreign press (Atlantic liberalism am cry, the Economist journalists on suicide watch).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Rufus on April 23, 2017, 07:49:56 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on April 23, 2017, 07:36:11 AM
Maybe also genuine concern at a sectarian movement (JW members refusing blood transfusions for themselves and more importantly their children was apparently a sticking point of outrage, as they are most everywhere including in the Western world).
I would prefer that, but [vague cynicism]. Being a prozelytizing religion is reason reason enough for me.

Quote from: VomKriege on April 23, 2017, 07:36:11 AM
As you probably guessed, I voted this morning. Nothing to do now but wait for the results around 20-21h.
The unlikely case of a Le Pen - Mélenchon second round would at least provide me with much entertainment from the foreign press (Atlantic liberalism am cry, the Economist journalists on suicide watch).
Haha! German evening news were already vewwy wowwied.
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Post by: benjipwns on April 23, 2017, 12:28:20 PM
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Former President Barack Obama gently waded back into international politics on Thursday, talking by phone with French presidential candidate Emmanuel Macron.

Obama spokesman Kevin Lewis said "an endorsement was not the purpose of the call, as President Obama is not making any formal endorsement."

"President Obama appreciated the opportunity to hear from Mr. Macron about his campaign and the important upcoming presidential election in France, a country that President Obama remains deeply committed to as a close ally of the United States, and as a leader on behalf of liberal values in Europe and around the world," Lewis said.

Macron released video of his side of the call in a tweet reading in English, “Let’s keep defending our progressive values. Thank you for this discussion@BarackObama.”
:lol politics

when am i allowed to start tweeting fake poll results claiming it's exit polling data and get threatened by French authorities
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Post by: benjipwns on April 23, 2017, 12:31:49 PM
Quote from: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/23/what-a-1973-french-novel-tells-us-about-marine-le-pen-steve-bannon-and-the-rise-of-the-populist-right-215064
What a 1973 French Novel Tells Us About Marine Le Pen, Steve Bannon and the Rise of the Populist Right
Stridently anti-immigrant, The Camp of Saints was originally ignored or pilloried. Now, it’s found a following.
The feeling you get when that one student writes all their papers about a single subject they're obsessed with?

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In 1973, a strange apocalyptic novel imagined the Southern coast of France suddenly overrun by hundreds of boats “piled high with layer on layer of human bodies” carrying hundreds of thousands of migrants from the Indian continent. Within 24 hours, as the military response fails, political elites capitulate and the French native population collapses morally, poisoned by their “damned, obnoxious, detestable pity” for “other races,” the West falls to the “black and brown” invasion “swarming” across its land.

Much has been made recently about this grandiloquent, often verbose and violently racist 325-page dystopia, The Camp of the Saints, written by the French novelist (and royalist) Jean Raspail. Forty-four years after its release, the book is said to have sold 500,000 copies, at least according to Raspail himself, and has become the bible of alt-right circles in the United States and in France.
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But Le Camp des Saints, to use the original French title, wasn’t always seen this way. In fact, it was initially panned by critics in France and sold poorly
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A key moment for The Camp of the Saints was the release of its 2011 reprint edition, which sold more than 70,000 copies within four years. It also received extensive media coverage, including interviews in popular talk shows, and lavish reviews in mainstream weeklies like Le Point and L’Express, as well as the more conservative Valeurs Actuelles. The same Le Figaro that, 40 years earlier, had destroyed Raspail’s book, opened its columns to a long, genial interview with its author.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on April 23, 2017, 01:29:38 PM
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Former President Barack Obama gently waded back into international politics on Thursday, talking by phone with French presidential candidate Emmanuel Macron.

Obama spokesman Kevin Lewis said "an endorsement was not the purpose of the call, as President Obama is not making any formal endorsement."

"President Obama appreciated the opportunity to hear from Mr. Macron about his campaign and the important upcoming presidential election in France, a country that President Obama remains deeply committed to as a close ally of the United States, and as a leader on behalf of liberal values in Europe and around the world," Lewis said.

Macron released video of his side of the call in a tweet reading in English, “Let’s keep defending our progressive values. Thank you for this discussion@BarackObama.”
:lol politics

when am i allowed to start tweeting fake poll results claiming it's exit polling data and get threatened by French authorities

Well, every election Belgian and Swiss papers are doing so anyway, so fire away.
Belgian media (Public RTBF or the french speaking La Libre Belgique) are claiming to relay "exit polls" from a "renowned institute" whose name they won't disclose to protect the innocent guilty (institutes of course promised to French authorities they wouldn't disclose any early data). It's unclear how reliable those would be. All vague musings relayed by La Libre has Macron in the lead with 22-24%, with Le Pen behind (except one that mention Mélenchon in second place). Last polls were so tight (All four leading candidates within 18-22%) that all manners of permutation could be believable.

Ballot offices are closed in most of France since 26mn and will do so in major cities in 34mn. TV has an habit of having the two names right for 8pm and the full official results by city are generally available in the night (or published in the following days).
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Post by: VomKriege on April 23, 2017, 01:49:55 PM
Also we really, really hope Fillon finish third or fourth. Watching him get reckt by his own friends and then courts would be an enjoyable past time.
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Post by: Raist on April 23, 2017, 02:00:58 PM
Macron and Le Pen.

Hamon got obliterated lolz. 6.5%
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 23, 2017, 02:25:00 PM
Nobody actually thought the Socialists had a chance did they? :comeon
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Post by: VomKriege on April 23, 2017, 02:27:36 PM
Hamon will rebound. He's young and he seems fairly bright. He probably will get a rough time in the party in the coming months.

The upcoming legislative elections just became a lot more interesting tho. Always thought it was a mistake to bind them so closely to the presidential vote and abolish the unofficial midterm.
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Post by: benjipwns on April 23, 2017, 03:06:15 PM
Quote from: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 23, 2017, 02:25:00 PM
Nobody actually thought the Socialists had a chance did they? :comeon
Not after Macron started his own bid. When he was toying with running as a Socialist they sometimes got into the runoff in polls. Once he left, him and Bayrou basically eliminated the Socialists and the Greens from hitting double digits most of the time. (Then obviously Bayrou dropped which boosted both Macron and Melenchon imo.)

Quote from: VomKriege on April 23, 2017, 02:27:36 PM
The upcoming legislative elections just became a lot more interesting tho. Always thought it was a mistake to bind them so closely to the presidential vote and abolish the unofficial midterm.
I've never understood why they didn't align them within the same year. Having four nationwide-focused elections in basically three months.
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Post by: benjipwns on April 23, 2017, 03:13:11 PM
Speaking of things I don't understand, why the legislative elections don't use a full-on runoff, that system is almost as bad as the Democratic Party's rules for caucus delegate allocation.
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Post by: VomKriege on April 23, 2017, 03:13:48 PM
Another question : Chirac plainly snobbed Le Pen and refused to even grant him a debate. Not sure Macron can afford that. I hope he gets a cracking debate preparation because Le Pen can sure bark loud.
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Post by: benjipwns on April 23, 2017, 03:21:31 PM
Here's the one I remember from 2012 before which I thought the legislative ones did a 50%+1 run-off like the Presidency, Hauts-de-Seine 9th:

First round:
UPM - 30.4%*
DVD - 26.9%*
Socialist - 22.1%*
National Front - 5.3%
Centrist - 4.7%
DVD - 3.0%
Green - 3.0%
Communist - 2.1%
Pirate - 1.3%
RPG - 0.5%

Second round:
DVD - 39.4%
UPM - 38.4%
Socialist - 22.2%

Why keep the third place party around? (Or potentially up to eighth place if I remember the criteria right.)
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Post by: benjipwns on April 23, 2017, 03:28:33 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on April 23, 2017, 03:13:48 PM
Another question : Chirac plainly snobbed Le Pen and refused to even grant him a debate. Not sure Macron can afford that. I hope he gets a cracking debate preparation because Le Pen can sure bark loud.
Don't do a standard "debate" but do like an appearance on a show together. Whatever the French equivalent of Meet The Press or Fox News Sunday is. Then ignore Le Pen while letting her fight with the interviewer/moderator.

Maybe Russia Today can hold it with Larry King hosting.

Really you could just bury it in "negotiations" you have no intention of ever agreeing to since the time frame is so short. Unless the polls change.
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Post by: Raist on April 23, 2017, 03:29:58 PM
Mélenchon not admitting defeat yet. You go boy.

Edit: Daddy Le Pen interviewed on BFM.
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Post by: VomKriege on April 23, 2017, 03:45:15 PM
Besides the presidency which is the ultimate form of incarnated politics (absent a king / consul / emperor), French politics aren't big on strict runoffs. Contrary to the current (and rather new) wisdom I hear in the media that the Vth Republic was built on bipartism (actually really conceived as a one governing party system), French politics have long been the affair of at least any 3 or 4 strong in the moment factions. It's only really in the mid nineties that so called gaullist heirs put the center right on a tight leash and that the radical left appeared to have been muted forever.
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Post by: benjipwns on April 23, 2017, 03:56:04 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/xUA7aZLLjVzkK35KTK/giphy.gif)

 :dead
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Post by: Raist on April 23, 2017, 04:02:34 PM
:rofl

https://twitter.com/ParisPasRose/status/856233635900514315
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Post by: VomKriege on April 23, 2017, 04:13:16 PM
It begins : Feuer frei on Fillon.
Lots of "It's not our ideas that were defeated (it's the person)".

Lots of socialists going to partake to Macron's soup too or hoping to become the obligatory ally and capture his popularity to the benefit of the party.
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Post by: VomKriege on April 23, 2017, 04:28:27 PM
Holy fuck what the hell do the voters see in Macron ? Dude is giving his adress and it's the most milquetoast thing ever. He looks like a kid (the bright type) playing grownup with a string of endless and vague banalities.

He's like a corporation made people :/
Yet he arouses crowds like a rock star.

(http://i.imgur.com/89bwX3X.jpg)
Vive la République ! Vive la France !
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Post by: benjipwns on April 23, 2017, 04:50:22 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-Hy6XzXcAEvWiv.jpg)
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Post by: VomKriege on April 23, 2017, 05:20:11 PM
Le Pen also did very well with the votes of rank and file employees, workers and the lowest revenue families -not that it's a recent development- though Mélenchon is doing OK on all of those counts.

Also the official tally (on 70% of ballots) has Le Pen ahead though I guess we're waiting for big cities definitive results where she is more likely to tank.

http://elections.interieur.gouv.fr/presidentielle-2017/FE.html

500k white votes too, as those are tallied up now.
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Post by: benjipwns on April 23, 2017, 05:30:00 PM
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Post by: VomKriege on April 23, 2017, 05:43:04 PM
A few other random bits :

French Polynesia and New Caledonia saw Fillon and Le Pen get a third of the vote each. Polynesia has some autonomous institutions that have been locked by local barons with strong ties to the French right. Fillon was endorsed by the current territory president, Le Pen by the former one (Gaston Flosse, a seasoned politician and even more seasoned crook).
French Guyana, which just underwent a major strike, saw Mélenchon and Le Pen get a quarter of the vote.

All the aforementioned overseas territories had rather low turnout however (40 to 50% compared to the roughly 75% for all of France).

Mélenchon took a third of the vote, easily distancing Le Pen (18%) in Saint Pierre et Miquelon off the cost of Canada thanks to 933 votes.

Apparently Macron was the winner for most of the French citizens living in North America, except in Montréal.
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Post by: Raist on April 23, 2017, 06:21:33 PM
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 :dead
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Post by: benjipwns on April 23, 2017, 06:43:28 PM
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Post by: Kara on April 23, 2017, 07:46:45 PM
Mods, please change my name to Jéb Bűsh, tia.
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Post by: Syph on April 24, 2017, 01:52:03 AM
Why is the media calling Macron the "centrist candidate" when he was a member of the Socialist Party for 4 years?

I don't know much about him but I'm having a hard time pegging where he actually falls on the spectrum given his political affiliations vs some of his actions.


Aidez-moi, s'il vous plaît?
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Post by: Raist on April 24, 2017, 02:09:06 AM
Because he left the party to make his own. Which has a more centrist position.

Essentially, he's socially left, economically right.
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Post by: VomKriege on April 24, 2017, 02:36:20 AM
Quote from: Syph on April 24, 2017, 01:52:03 AM
Why is the media calling Macron the "centrist candidate" when he was a member of the Socialist Party for 4 years?

DAMN YOU MEDIA AND YOUR CORRECT NEWS !  :maf
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Post by: chronovore on April 24, 2017, 03:58:02 AM
Quote from: Syph on April 24, 2017, 01:52:03 AM
Why is the media calling Macron the "centrist candidate" when he was a member of the Socialist Party for 4 years?

I don't know much about him but I'm having a hard time pegging where he actually falls on the spectrum given his political affiliations vs some of his actions.


Aidez-moi, s'il vous plaît?
(https://i.imgur.com/dSBoj3x.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on April 24, 2017, 05:55:43 AM
All joking aside Macron is definitely center left by any metric in French politics. He left the Socialist Party 8 years ago after a mere 4 years as a member.
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Post by: Rufus on April 24, 2017, 08:14:14 AM
And he's going to compromise on 'social' wherever necessary possible, if he adheres to the patterns in Europe these last few decades.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Syph on April 24, 2017, 05:08:20 PM
i thought it was a fair question..
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Post by: VomKriege on April 24, 2017, 06:38:45 PM
Quote from: Syph on April 24, 2017, 05:08:20 PM
i thought it was a fair question..

Says he's "neither right nor left".

Pro-EU in its current form.

Works with a center right christian democrat and "second left" socialists.

Thinks the 35h / week of labor law (the last progressive one in the workplace voted by socialists in 2002) was a mistake.

Thinks private corporations are great.

Wants to reduce the perimeter of the already mostly symbolic tax on high wealth (voted by socialists in 1982).

Wants to reduce the number of public servants by 120k.

Wants a single & unique, "simpler", unemployment benefit regime. Wants a single & unique, "simpler", pension regime.

Helmed a law as the Economy Minister that was greeted by the big CEO association and that included among other things more lax conditions for companies that want to have their employees work on Sundays.

The first measure on his official website with regards to fighting against low revenue and work insecurity is, I shit you not, to reduce the amount of social safety net budget being picked on wages. Reducing those is his magic ointment to all labor problems too, he wants to reinstitute the exoneration of those payments for overtime hours (something done by Sarkozy); drag them to almost zero on lower wages or give subsidies to companies creating jobs in difficult areas "it would be as if they were not paying for the social safety net" (I quote...).

Etc...

I mean obviously I'm picking the choice bits here but some of those are aggressively not "leftist" in any sense.
And yeah it's a fair question but the way you phrased it originally read loaded TBQH.
He was a party member 8 years ago when barely in his thirties. And while he worked as an advisor then minister to a socialist president, he was often a critic of the already very mild Hollandism.
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Post by: Kara on April 24, 2017, 06:52:35 PM
But he was a member of the Socialist Party! :smug
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Post by: bluemax on April 26, 2017, 04:21:19 PM
https://twitter.com/peatreebojangle/status/857236653395587073
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 26, 2017, 04:24:11 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on April 24, 2017, 06:38:45 PM
.

Sounds a lot like the "liberals" in the Democratic party. 
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Post by: Great Rumbler on April 26, 2017, 04:25:06 PM
Quote from: bluemax on April 26, 2017, 04:21:19 PM
https://twitter.com/peatreebojangle/status/857236653395587073

When you have to try to explain that "it wasn't technically kidnapping" then you've pretty much already lost.
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Post by: Rufus on April 26, 2017, 04:27:16 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 26, 2017, 04:25:06 PM
Quote from: bluemax on April 26, 2017, 04:21:19 PM
https://twitter.com/peatreebojangle/status/857236653395587073

When you have to try to explain that "it wasn't technically kidnapping" then you've pretty much already lost.
It was a long time ago, OK?
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Post by: Mupepe on April 26, 2017, 07:53:08 PM
"it wasn't technically kidnapping"

 :lol
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Post by: toku on April 27, 2017, 03:43:18 PM
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/857471235760041984
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on May 01, 2017, 05:41:25 AM
French presidential election inter-round :

The big item of discussion in week 1 was "radical left" Mélenchon not outright endorsing Macron (he kicked off the matter to an inner debate in his movement). I'm sparing you the details because really the rough outline of that debate is just the same as the whole "BernieBros voting Trump" / "Far left is actually the closest to the far right" / "Won't someone think of the Republic :brazilcry " and we're all tired of that.

Besides that whole debate was overshadowed this Friday when the right wing sovereignist "maverick" & biggest of the small candidates (or vice versa) Nicolas Dupont Aignan actually endorsed Marine Le Pen after talks for a purpoted negociated platform and government position in case of a win. In absolute it's not too surprising as his position was always between the mainstream and the far right (and containment is bound to decay as years go by), but as a self-avowed Gaullist (of the purest kind, by his own judgement) it's kind of messy to reach so gleefully for the hand of the heirs of German-occupied France. There's been plenty of high profile departures from his party in the following day and scorn from the mainstream right, but he claims to have had "600 new members" (:goty of the head clean shaven kind ?). Short-term he's a pariah but I guess he's betting that it will pay off dividends in the future (and maybe as soon as the National Assembly elections coming) if and when the mainstream right will finally give in to lucrative alliances with neo-fascists.

Otherwise it's funny that an election so dominated by new faces and old parties getting kicked in the nuts should be won by the closest thing to a continuity candidate for the current (unpopular) government.
:yeshrug

Watched one of the economists (From the Collčge de France, so not even the half of a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow type) supporting Macron on TV. He said some interesting and decent stuff but the thing that bothered me is that he explained that Macron liberalism was big on more / better "Dialogue social" (= More things negociated by employee unions, company owners and institutions instead of top down laws from the state) but a couple minutes later defended that Macron will reform huge chunks of the labor market by decree (or "executive orders") ASAP once he is in office.

Otherwise : Macron and Le Pen both went to see the workers of whatever factory is in strike and doing headlines at this point (a classic of the last campaign sprint), namely a Whirpool factory in Amiens. Le Pen went on a small fishing boat with a real worker of real France getting up really early. Macron went to the Shoah Memorial and a couple of others similar important symbols* (Le Pen didn't went to it, strangely enough. Maybe she was visiting a former Stalag in memory of all those that died by falling down the guard tower ?).

The big traditional debate is on May 3. It will be animated by less famous journalists that usual. Not important but not being subjected by the usual slimy TV anchors is a blessing. EDIT : Well reading about it, the public authority was concerned that the expected duo of moderators was all-male and ultimately everyone ended up agreeing on the two heads of the domestic politics office on their respective channels.

Macron being an horrible public speaker is a consensus. Supposedly he's much more persuasive & convincing in negociations and one-on-ones. I sure hope so...

* To note, Macron went to a ceremony for the memory of the victims of the Armenian genocide on a monument deidcated to Father Komitas, a member of the church and music composer who died in France while being exiled.
Though it has been more widely known and talked about in France, recognizing those events are still a hot topic for Turkish authorities. It's a little bit reassuring to me that Macron is willing to pay the political price of standing up for pas & present victims of opression.
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Post by: VomKriege on May 01, 2017, 06:30:41 AM
Le Pen also got the support of Christine Boutin (fundamentalist Christian conservative) & Marie-France Garaud (former advisor of Pompidou & Chirac, has been steadily drifting right through decades).
Dupont-Aignan would be nominated Prime Minister.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on May 01, 2017, 11:48:07 AM
Also, far from the peaceful transfer of power... The government led campaign in Chechnya against gay people, in violation of the Russian Federation laws (but without a peep from the Kremlin), sounds more terrible every day. Some Russian outlets suspects the use of black sites (since being gay isn't actually unlawful anyway) where people are tortured and then executed. Gay people who fled the country do confirm (in anonymous testimonies) that families are sometimes brought in after the torture and asked by authorities if they want to "clean the stain on their honor" themselves or let the state do it. Some families have taken up the offer and executed their own in the middle of the woods. That kind of rhetoric has been used by some officials too.

Novaya Gazeta, the Russian paper who broke the story, has received threats.

Quote
Novaya Gazeta will mark its 25th anniversary next year. But Muratov is in no mood to celebrate. “It would have been better if they had closed us down, rather than killed all those people,” he said. “For some people, the closure of the paper would be a catastrophe. But not for me. Screw it. For me, it would be better for me if all those people were still alive instead. But another way was chosen for us — to kill.”

http://www.politico.eu/article/russian-paper-risks-backlash-over-chechnya-gay-torture-story/
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Post by: benjipwns on May 01, 2017, 02:18:58 PM
Marine Le Pen Surges in Latest French Poll Against Globalist Emmanuel Macron (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/marine-le-pen-surges-latest-french-poll-globalist-emmanuel-macron/)
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Globalist Emmanuel Macron saw his huge lead over Marine Le Pen take a heavy hit this past week – one week before the national election.
The Express reported:

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EMMANUEL Macron’s lead over Marine Le Pen has taken a heavy hit as France prepares to vote in the final round of the election on Sunday.

Recent moves by Ms Le Pen to appeal to a wider audience seem to be working as she has removed herself as the leader of the Front National party, and rebranded her campaign with the new motto “Choose France”.

Pollster Harris Interactive, who correctly predicted the result of the first round, revealed a six points slip by Mr Macron since last Sunday.

Ms Le Pen said: “The country Mr Macron wants is no longer France; it’s a space, a wasteland, a trading room where there are only consumers and producers.”

The latest polls were conducted prior to the announcement that defeated first round presidential candidate Nicolas Dupont-Aignan, would be Ms Le Pen’s prime minister if she wins the presidency.
Cut off and three more paragraphs down in the article:
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The Harris Interactive poll places Mr Macron on 61 per cent and Ms Le Pen on 33 per cent.
:lol
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Post by: VomKriege on May 02, 2017, 05:42:31 AM
French Temporary King Decision Update :

Macron "tried to save Greece out of crippling austerity" :
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/29/angela-merkel-clashed-emmanuel-macron-greek-debt-deal-new-book/

Yanis Varoufakis, former Minister of Finace for Steam & Greece, endorsed Macron.

Meanwhile Marine Le Pen apparently had her latest speech with whole passages lifted from Fillon. And barely 2 weeks old. The first damage control : an "homage".
:what

https://twitter.com/RidiculeTV/status/859099588002811908

I thought about it and I'll probably be a good Republican boy (and conflicted statist-leftist-liberal) and go vote Macron next Sunday.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 02, 2017, 07:07:04 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 01, 2017, 02:18:58 PM
Marine Le Pen Surges in Latest French Poll Against Globalist Emmanuel Macron (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/marine-le-pen-surges-latest-french-poll-globalist-emmanuel-macron/)
Quote
Globalist Emmanuel Macron saw his huge lead over Marine Le Pen take a heavy hit this past week – one week before the national election.
The Express reported:

Quote
EMMANUEL Macron’s lead over Marine Le Pen has taken a heavy hit as France prepares to vote in the final round of the election on Sunday.

Recent moves by Ms Le Pen to appeal to a wider audience seem to be working as she has removed herself as the leader of the Front National party, and rebranded her campaign with the new motto “Choose France”.

Pollster Harris Interactive, who correctly predicted the result of the first round, revealed a six points slip by Mr Macron since last Sunday.

Ms Le Pen said: “The country Mr Macron wants is no longer France; it’s a space, a wasteland, a trading room where there are only consumers and producers.”

The latest polls were conducted prior to the announcement that defeated first round presidential candidate Nicolas Dupont-Aignan, would be Ms Le Pen’s prime minister if she wins the presidency.
Cut off and three more paragraphs down in the article:
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The Harris Interactive poll places Mr Macron on 61 per cent and Ms Le Pen on 33 per cent.
:lol

polls did miracles for president Hillary
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Post by: Fifstar on May 03, 2017, 05:09:38 AM
WHat's up with Le pen copying Fillon's speech? Does Front national just anything to stay in the news? They can't have thought nobody would notice?
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Post by: VomKriege on May 03, 2017, 05:18:30 AM
:yeshrug

Who knows. Le Pen claims it's an "homage", a "wink to the mainstream right wing voters". It's claimed that the speechwriter (Paul-Marie Coűteaux) went from Fillon's team to supporting Le Pen after the first round and gave notes, though he denies it. This passage is basically a digested version of something he wrote in a book in 1997.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on May 03, 2017, 04:40:33 PM
It's the big French debate. Listened 20mn, it was noisy and kind of shitty. Basically Le Pen does everything to throw back Macron to his participation in the former administration and paint him as a heartless liberal ayatollah / globalist reptilian, Macron is being super condescending and arrogant trying to expose Le Pen as a fraud with an incoherent program.

EDIT : Le Pen apparently went off the rails by the end.

Macron sounds magnificent when playing teacher. As magnificent, I guess, as some other young rising stars of French politics like President Giscard D'Estaing or some of our esteemed career public servants who went through the best schools. It all seems so simple when he explains he'll find 60 billions in savings to lessen taxes on companies and families (yet also invest 15 billions in renewable energies and hire cops, teachers & nurses) or that he want to unify the unemployement benefits system.

I already commented before on Lionel Zinsou, a Franco-Beninese economist (former prime minister of Benin) who is currently a guest in a decent (liberal) radio show. It was a breath of fresh air to have someone optimistic about the election and I was glad he fought back against some of the usual tropes in play in the media ("Divided / Fractured France") and reminded everyone, as minds are already drifting to the upcoming National Assembly election, that French politics actually had a fairly solid coalition culture and that bipartism is a fairly novel state of things (starting in 1981 by the most generous estimation, actually later IMO since you still have in 1995 a bitter rivalry between two major right wing candidates).

Speaking of the National Assembly election, another factor is contributing to the uncertainty : early in the Hollande presidency a law to forbid simultaneous tenure of certain mandates (especially being both a mayor and a member of parliament) was passed*. As a result, a couple of hundred (out of 577) current incumbents in the National Assembly have forfeited their reelection often in favor of their city hall position (longer mandate and easier to pander to your constituents, perhaps). Of course the two major parties are hit the hardest. This goes on top of having 5 potential strong political forces (Macron's movement, Socialists, Mélenchon's movement, Les Républicains and Front National) going in, with a system where any candidate above 12,5% in the first round can decide to run the second one.

* It was fought teeth and nails by some members of the majority despite the fact it was unanimously adopted by the Socialist Party in the platform and the popularity of the idea to voters...
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Post by: VomKriege on May 04, 2017, 04:51:12 AM
To follow up on my ramblings and to speak of the little substance I got yesterday :

- Macron wants to supress (for 4 households out of five) the "taxe d'habitation" ("inhabitation tax") paid by tenants once a year. The tax is calculated depending on the city you live in and the size and type of place you rent, but roughly speaking it can amount to same sum you pay for monthly rent (in Paris proper much lower). This has two pressing issues attached to it : This will cost 15-20 billions and the tax was collected by local authorities for their budget. The state is supposed to pick up the tab by more money transfers to local authorities but in the past those have always been contentious, with controversies over the amounts and delays.

- As you may know the legal duration of labor hours for a week in France is 35 hours. In practice there's plenty of people working beyond that, even with permanent positions, with overtime factored in their contract. When asked about it, both candidates didn't gave a straight answer and spoke instead of having greater freedom for negociation within each company or sector. So they probably won't take the symbolic hit of messing with the law but will give the tools to go around it at the workfloor level...

- Macron is actually fairly nice to my corporation/sector and hasn't threatened to dismember our "privileges" ASAP unlike a lot of of the usual surface level discussion about it.

EDIT :

Oh an interesting paper in Le Monde.
http://www.lemonde.fr/afrique/article/2017/05/04/les-franco-algeriens-plus-preoccupes-par-la-presidentielle-en-france-que-par-les-legislatives-en-algerie_5122003_3212.html

Algeria is voting for their parliament and 764000 people in France (binationals and emigrants/expatriates) are called to vote in those. Apparently they're not really aroused by the idea, as only 2500 people went to vote out 84000 to the Algerian consulate in Bobigny (Paris suburb, estimated to have the largest community in France). Poor information and poor knowledge about Algerian politics, the nebulous but autarcic & corrupt nature of Algerian power are apparently some of the factors of the lack of interest. In a franco-algerian café "Nobody speaks of the parliament elections in Algeria here, and we're all binationals", pointing at the TV which is full of coverage of the French campaign "There's already enough on our plate with this one".

A 40 years old man (staying on a long term visa in France) in line to vote at his consulate. "I would have rather liked to vote in the French election, it's more meaningful. Besides I live here."

A 50 years old Franco-Algerian waiting in front of the consulate : "I'll go vote Macron because he won't hurt us, unlike Marine Le Pen and her amalgams." "I'm very scared of the FLN... [A moment of self induced stupor] FN, I meant FN." (The FLN is the movement/party that won Algerian independence in 1962 and its remnant are still very much in control of the political apparatus).

Most Franco-Algerian are more interested in the French election. The head of a community association says Macron scored a lot of points with older binationals by taking a principled stance on colonization ("A crime against mankind", when the debate on the matter is often conflicted as it should be in a former colonizing power, if not outright apologetic).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: VomKriege on May 04, 2017, 06:31:42 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/xImcY01.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 04, 2017, 09:49:31 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on May 04, 2017, 06:31:42 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/xImcY01.jpg)

Is that woman okay?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 04, 2017, 10:16:27 AM
what a cunt
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: toku on May 04, 2017, 01:11:16 PM
c-c-c-cuck
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Syph on May 04, 2017, 03:21:42 PM
macron with the "ok" symbol, confirmed for nazi

looks like msm had the wrong person all along
le pen was a false flag

chem trails seen over the debate venue
 :hans1
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Syph on May 05, 2017, 05:44:20 PM
macron leaks..
even if they're real it's probably too late to change anything
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on May 05, 2017, 10:34:05 PM
although I think the null hypothesis is much more likely I sort of hope the theory Assange is pushing of these leaks as a meta-psyop turns out to be true, just for the schadenfreude of knowing someone else has gotten reflexive control over /pol/. weaponized autism indeed.

alternatively, if you'd rather read a take by an actual smart person, here's a Twitter thread:

https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/860658836570591232
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: Syph on May 05, 2017, 11:27:11 PM
I was actually thinking about that too, which begs the next question, who benefits more by having Macron in power but with a possible black mark vs. just having Le Pen there in the first place?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: etiolate on May 06, 2017, 06:03:48 PM
from what little i've heard, there's nothing in the macron leaks besides him loving the coco
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Will trade grandma for EU passport
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on May 06, 2017, 06:04:14 PM
Can we get this thread stickied? It's annoying to always have to look for it. Unsticky one of the dumb meme/porn threads if sticky bloat is a concern, I never click on either of those. Atra has the better meme thread anyway.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Artisanal French memes only
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 06, 2017, 06:37:53 PM
Okay, your majesty.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Artisanal French memes only
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on May 06, 2017, 07:18:19 PM
 :itagaki
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Artisanal French memes only
Post by: Raist on May 07, 2017, 02:25:26 AM
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/garda-launch-blasphemy-probe-into-stephen-fry-comments-on-the-meaning-of-life-35684262.html

Enforce blasphemy laws in 2017 brehs.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Artisanal French memes only
Post by: VomKriege on May 07, 2017, 07:22:06 AM
Voted this morning. Going to the movies tonight, hopefully everyone will be in front of their tvs. Will just check on the mobile phone at 8pm that everything went as expected.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Artisanal French memes only
Post by: Raist on May 07, 2017, 08:37:04 AM
Turnout's fairly comparable to the first round so far. Lower than the last election, but higher than in 2002 (when Le Pen Sniorr got to the second round).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Artisanal French memes only
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 07, 2017, 09:56:02 AM
Quote from: Raist on May 07, 2017, 02:25:26 AM
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/garda-launch-blasphemy-probe-into-stephen-fry-comments-on-the-meaning-of-life-35684262.html

Enforce blasphemy laws in 2017 brehs.

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"I told the Garda that I did not want to include this as I had not personally been offended by Fry's comments - I added that I simply believed that the comments made by Fry on RTÉ were criminal blasphemy and that  I was doing my civic duty by reporting a crime."

:badass
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Artisanal French memes only
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 07, 2017, 10:00:04 AM
Its almost certain that Fry is fine with this and they are trying to get this law actually tested.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Artisanal French memes only
Post by: Atramental on May 07, 2017, 01:48:15 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/IMq10QC.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Artisanal French memes only
Post by: Raist on May 07, 2017, 02:05:05 PM
Macron won, 65-35. All according to keikaku.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Artisanal French memes only
Post by: Atramental on May 07, 2017, 02:06:47 PM
Heading to /pol/ now to watch the mental breakdowns.  :aah

(http://i.imgur.com/Wz8WGms.png?1)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Artisanal French memes only
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 07, 2017, 02:15:17 PM
Quote from: Raist on May 07, 2017, 02:05:05 PM
Macron won, 65-35.

lmao
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Artisanal French memes only
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 07, 2017, 02:22:20 PM
Super Democratic Frenchman Macron
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Artisanal French memes only
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on May 07, 2017, 02:38:43 PM
Quote from: Atramental on May 07, 2017, 02:06:47 PM
Heading to /pol/ now to watch the mental breakdowns.  :aah

(http://i.imgur.com/Wz8WGms.png?1)

:girlaff :girlaff :girlaff

so how many points worth of the margin do you suppose can be entirely attributed directly to disgusting /pol/ nematodes and the natural revulsion they elicit in cultured French sophisticates? 5%? 10%?

:girlaff :girlaff :girlaff
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Boredfrom on May 07, 2017, 03:25:45 PM
The_Donald went also, perdon my french, full distinguished mentally-challenged.

Feels good.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Mandark on May 07, 2017, 03:55:44 PM
Weird seeing ostensible "nationalists" invest themselves in the domestic politics of other countries.

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I mean, not weird at all when "nationalist" is clearly a euphemism, but y'know.
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 07, 2017, 04:01:27 PM
Quote from: Boredfrom on May 07, 2017, 03:25:45 PM
The_Donald went also, perdon my french, full distinguished mentally-challenged.

Feels good.

I'm not fucking going there, but do tell -- how are they rationalizing this?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Boredfrom on May 07, 2017, 04:04:41 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 07, 2017, 04:01:27 PM
Quote from: Boredfrom on May 07, 2017, 03:25:45 PM
The_Donald went also, perdon my french, full distinguished mentally-challenged.

Feels good.

I'm not fucking going there, but do tell -- how are they rationalizing this?

"France was not worth saving in WWII"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Rufus on May 07, 2017, 04:05:03 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 07, 2017, 04:01:27 PM
Quote from: Boredfrom on May 07, 2017, 03:25:45 PM
The_Donald went also, perdon my french, full distinguished mentally-challenged.

Feels good.

I'm not fucking going there, but do tell -- how are they rationalizing this?
Both stickies right now:
"10 MILLION MUSLIMS INVADED FRANCE. Today, they voted for a banker so they can keep killing French kids while he destroys Europeans' homelands"

"Teenage refugees take a break from standing in welfare line to thank Allah for Macron Win"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 07, 2017, 04:05:40 PM
jfc
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Boredfrom on May 07, 2017, 04:13:21 PM
Quote from: Rufus on May 07, 2017, 04:05:03 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 07, 2017, 04:01:27 PM
Quote from: Boredfrom on May 07, 2017, 03:25:45 PM
The_Donald went also, perdon my french, full distinguished mentally-challenged.

Feels good.

I'm not fucking going there, but do tell -- how are they rationalizing this?
Both stickies right now:
"10 MILLION MUSLIMS INVADED FRANCE. Today, they voted for a banker so they can keep killing French kids while he destroys Europeans' homelands"

"Teenage refugees take a break from standing in welfare line to thank Allah for Macron Win"

lol They unsticked the "Congrats to the new president of France truck.jpge "

Wish for terrorist attacks on other countries because they didnt like fem Trump, guys.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on May 07, 2017, 05:02:07 PM
The salt on France24. Amazing.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on May 07, 2017, 05:42:57 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/UsKcXQg.png)

:rofl


Dat map tho.

(http://atelier.leparisien.fr/presidentielle/dep/CARTE_TETE_DEP_T2.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on May 07, 2017, 07:04:46 PM
To note : Weak turnout for a presidential election (74-75%), a lot of white and non compliant votes (4,2 millions) and the Front National nonetheless reached its highest number of absolute votes in any election (over 11m votes, twice the number of her father in 2002 and much better than their recent record in regional elections).

So not everything is rosy in the new MacronLand.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on May 07, 2017, 07:21:47 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on May 07, 2017, 07:04:46 PM
To note : Weak turnout for a presidential election (74-75%), a lot of white and non compliant votes (4,2 millions) and the Front National nonetheless reached its highest number of absolute votes in any election (over 11m votes, twice the number of her father in 2002 and much better than their recent record in regional elections).

So not everything is rosy in the new MacronLand.

 :shaq2 god, can't you Frenchies just this once be quiet and let us turn your elections into a projection of our domestic politics and culture wars? We're trying to enjoy some schadenfreude here, geez.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: etiolate on May 07, 2017, 08:11:03 PM
Yeah, the shift will keep coming. Le Pen losing will effectively deter the sentiment as much as killing Pepe the Frog in a comic book will.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: chronovore on May 07, 2017, 11:11:33 PM
https://twitter.com/SuaveCactus/status/861391274171125761
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on May 08, 2017, 02:34:22 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/JwhSspp.png)

 :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: benjipwns on May 08, 2017, 03:37:13 AM
Quote from: Raist on May 07, 2017, 05:42:57 PM
Dat map tho.

(http://atelier.leparisien.fr/presidentielle/dep/CARTE_TETE_DEP_T2.jpg)
No, this is all wrong, you're supposed to put a picture of Jeb! across it triumphant:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-H5hFcW0AAcrYX.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on May 08, 2017, 03:49:14 AM
Stéphane Le Foll, spokesperson for the government (also serving as the Minister for Agriculture) warned his fellow socialists about entering opposition. This comes on the heels of Benoit Hamon stating he would like to see as many local alliances as possible (including with more radical Mélenchonists) to run a single leftist candidate by district in the upcoming parliament elections.

Not really a surprise but I guess it clarifies nicely.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: agrajag on May 08, 2017, 07:32:26 AM
Your guys' weak turnout is still way stronger than any American election in the past 100+ years
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Brehvolution on May 08, 2017, 09:14:21 AM
Quote from: Mandark on May 07, 2017, 03:55:44 PM
Weird seeing ostensible "nationalists" invest themselves in the domestic politics of other countries.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I mean, not weird at all when "nationalist" is clearly a euphemism, but y'know.
[close]

When you find yourself living in your grandma's basement, what is there better to spend your time on?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on May 08, 2017, 10:04:36 AM
Quote from: agrajag on May 08, 2017, 07:32:26 AM
Your guys' weak turnout is still way stronger than any American election in the past 100+ years

Of course, weak relative to the other occurences of this very election. In absolute terms "La Présidentielle" has been enduringly popular with voters, that's one thing I have to recognize even as a believer that the constitution should be rewritten and the balance altered in favor of parliament. For most of the other type of elections here, turnout is much more depressed and in line with the norm elsewhere.

Macron will officially enter office next Sunday. He already has ideas for his prime minister. For a while, a wild rumor said former head of the big CEO association Laurence Parisot may be in the run but the more serious musings mention lesser known politicians.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Brehvolution on May 08, 2017, 10:07:30 AM
Did trump call to congratulate yet?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 08, 2017, 12:53:47 PM
Musings from a Le Pen admirer:

Quote
I was given -- before I even knew why I was there, who I had spoken to, what anybody was doing there, I was given a t-shirt and then everyone was equipped with these rather tragic looking flags to wave. And it became very choreographed, very scripted. It was almost like a whiff of propaganda about it. Every time the TV crews came to the party at the Louvre they wave their flags madly like they were told to do. And it just felt very curious.

Quote
There was nothing kind of authentic about it like we see with the Trump election or for us with Brexit.

Quote
I would say that the second person, the person that came second was not Marine Le Pen. It was the 14 million voters who chose to abstain or spoil their ballot paper rather than vote for Macron. I would also say that of the 20 million people that voted for Macron, they weren't really voting for Macron necessarily.

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He's married to someone old enough to be his gran, who found him when he was at school age 15.

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He's never had a real job. He doesn't have any children. He doesn't have a proper family so he doesn't connect with people.

And the kicker:

Quote
It took me two or three blocks before I found a woman and found a white person.

https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2017/05/08/racist-daily-mail-columnist-fox-friends-laments-le-pen-losing-loss-europe/216325
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2017, 01:33:44 PM
Can we talk about female privilege and why no one is calling Macron's wife a predator. 
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(http://i.imgur.com/Afh9V0V.jpg)
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on May 08, 2017, 03:10:51 PM
I think we need a little bit of context WRT the "omg lowest turnout in decades" headlines.

(https://abload.de/img/1g0xhk.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: FStop7 on May 08, 2017, 06:00:05 PM
Quote
It was almost like a whiff of propaganda about it.

"almost"

how fucking dumb do you have to be...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Artisanal French memes only
Post by: Syph on May 08, 2017, 07:26:27 PM
Quote from: Atramental on May 07, 2017, 01:48:15 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/IMq10QC.jpg)
this is amazing
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: curly on May 09, 2017, 04:50:05 AM
Quote from: Raist on May 08, 2017, 03:10:51 PM
I think we need a little bit of context WRT the "omg lowest turnout in decades" headlines.

(https://abload.de/img/1g0xhk.png)

If you include spoiled ballots turnout looks worse:

(http://i.imgur.com/656ScOY.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 09, 2017, 07:50:58 AM
read that as white/spoiled brats
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on May 09, 2017, 09:55:15 AM
Manuel Valls, former Socialist Prime Minister of Hollande, went to the press today to claim loudly he will run in the upcoming legislative election as "a member of the President's majority".
Macron's party was quick to issue a statement that Valls had to follow procedure first to be considered (only a day left to submit oneself as a potential candidate for the party), something he apparently hasn't done. They didn't close the door shut but they are probably cautious of not being outright seen as a new home for the old establishment.

Those fuckers backstabbed their own candidate, ravaged their party and now expect to get front row seats just for changing labels.

Edit : Still wants to keep his Socialist card too, despite saying it's dead.  :lol

 :girlaff
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on May 10, 2017, 11:45:50 AM
As one would have expected, the french political world is upside down with Macron's election and it's the start of an intense transfer season up to the National Assembly election.

- The spokesperson for "La République en Marche" (the just renamed Macron's party, formerly "En Marche !") jokingly said they discover themselves new friends everyday since Sunday.

- Fillon went to the shadows and right wing Les Républicains decided to give a chance to François Baroin, once a baby face youthful prospect (looking more and more like the kids from Akira as he got old) now one of the last backbench warmers they have left. Press says the LR party rubbed the most extreme Fillonist proposals from the platform in order to distance themselves and to appeal more to their center. Just like Socialists, you got people willing to be part of Macron's majority, others taking the cautious way of not advocating systematic opposition, and those who wants to declare opposition to the new President ASAP. Among those willing to sacrifice themselves for a Ministry office you can count Bruno Le Maire, one of the runners in the right wing primary.

- Socialists are likewise in disarray. To follow up on my previous post, Macron's "movement" (let's just say party now) stated that Valls did not follow the procedure to be endorsed as a candidate but they might make a "political judgement" down the road. The Socialist 1st Secretary said Valls was under internal reviewing but later specified it's an old procedure for when he actually said he supported Macron during the campaign. The PS also scrubbed some of Hamon's talking point from their platform without any congress or consultation.
Several "internal movements" are being founded as we speak (an "humanist one" helmed by Paris and Lille mayors, Anne Hidalgo & Martine Aubry), notably by Hamon who wants a "transparty association" within the PS. Party Civil War incoming.
Also to note : the Socialist-Green deal for the presidency also encompasses the upcoming election, with districts distributed among partners.

- Marion Maréchal-Le Pen, MP and niece of Marine Le Pen, is "withdrawing from political life". What it means for the clan-like Front National is still unclear though it is certainly a blow as she was a rather popular figure. She was held as the head of a more radical line within the party. Apparently the Front National is a bit let down by the results and secretly hoped they could get 40% or more. But they sadly might still rebound as some political pundits believe they can win up to 100 seats maybe (while they currently hold 2 and maybe had half a dozen MPs in their whole existence).

- Jean-Luc Mélenchon is gonna run in the upcoming election, maybe in Marseille. Pierre Laurent, the Communist 1st Secretary, is being vocal that he regrets that no formal deal has been agreed upon. If you read some of my previous posts, Mélenchon and the PCF have been frienemy partners for quite some years now. The Communists knows they must ride Mélenchon's wave but they fear (probably rightly) of being swallowed whole by the ogre. It would not be above him to run a "France Insoumise" candidate in the very last PCF holdouts...

Also it's only my hot take (I'm not intensely submerged) but if you're curious regarding the leaked e-mails from Macron influence : It was a total nothing burger, I think most citizens didn't care at all and not just because it was a late release or the lack of coverage (French media is very mindful of the interests of the State, a bit too much in fact). Voting against the National Front has been imbued as a high moral and republican duty (even if that Pavlovian teaching is weakening) and there was not a whole lot that would have impressed voters in a campaign mired in the actual scandals involving Fillon and Le Pen. Macron is not the most popular type but considering how short and meteoric his actual politician career is at this point, there's no deep-seated prejudice held against him even for those who don't have sympathy for his program.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: benjipwns on May 10, 2017, 12:18:59 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_ekQ1bXcAMAIa_.jpg:large)

I'm convinced 99.9% of Putin's time is organizing these elaborate media setups that are supposed to be like "caught in the act" events.

The rest of the time is obviously his personally creating the poisons for any regime dissidents.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on May 10, 2017, 04:30:12 PM
Is he wearing a suit under that Hockey (?) gear?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 12, 2017, 09:52:18 PM
holy shit

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/12/hospitals-across-england-hit-by-large-scale-cyber-attack

Fucking NSA tools too.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Rufus on May 13, 2017, 08:53:54 AM
Does their government still want to ban encryption?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 13, 2017, 11:36:10 AM
Quote from: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-39907049
The man, known online as MalwareTech, was analysing the code behind the malware on Friday night when he made his discovery.

He first noticed that the malware was trying to contact an unusual web address - iuqerfsodp9ifjaposdfjhgosurijfaewrwergwea.com - but this address was not connected to a website, because nobody had registered it.

So, every time the malware tried to contact the mysterious website, it failed - and then set about doing its damage.

MalwareTech decided to spend Ł8.50 and claim the web address. By owning the web address, he could also access analytical data and get an idea of how widespread the ransomware was.

Owning the web address let MalwareTech monitor where infections were happening

But he later realised that registering the web address had also stopped the malware trying to spread itself.

"It was actually partly accidental," he told the BBC.

:idont
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on May 13, 2017, 02:52:22 PM
https://twitter.com/danbarker/status/863062356737359872


 :lol


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: benjipwns on May 17, 2017, 01:51:53 AM
you know how most Yuropean countries have a "cordon sanitaire" against fascist-lite parties and in the past stalinist-communist parties where everybody agrees they won't do a coalition with them and at best only accept their supply support, etc.

so i was readin about italian politics

i know but stay with me here

from what i can best understand the parties that were placed in this position for nearly 50 years essentially just renamed themselves and formed up like a regular political party instead of waiting for the signal from Moscow or Mussolini's grave to start the revolution and now it's all cool, especially as the old dudes die off or are made President :lol

this guy from their once cordoned off fascist-lite party:
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During his time as national secretary, he confirmed the MSI’s role as the inheritors of Benito Mussolini’s Fascist legacy with a number of famous polemical statements, including: "Dear comrades, MSI claims its right to refer to fascism" (1988), "We are fascists, the heirs of fascism, the fascism of the year 2000" (1991), "After almost half a century, the idea of fascism is alive" (1992), "There are phases where freedom is not among the key values" (1994), "Mussolini was the greatest Italian statesman of the twentieth century", "Fascism has a tradition of honesty, correctness and good government" (1994).
after they renamed got to become minister of foreign affairs and then president of their lower house because sure, why not, it was totally a phase rite

the best part is both the fascist-lite party and the Stalinist-lite Communist party when they renamed themselves put their old logo in their new logos so nobody else could use them and claim to be successor parties because of some quirk in italian political law

also i totally forgot that Mussolini was such a baby

dudes that want to over throw him: hey, we know the war is going poorly and all but you should totally convene that council that you and only you can
mussolini: sure, why not, i'm sure you guys just want me to cheer you up like i did hitler who totally didn't yell at me for two hours about how useless i was and send me away
dudes: haha, we voted and you're exiled, we're in charge now and we're gonna be allies with the US
mussolini: okay :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Kara on May 17, 2017, 04:20:19 AM
Radio Yerevan was asked: Is it true that Hillary Clinton lost the presidential election because she did not campaign in Wisconsin?

Radio Yerevan answered: In principle, yes, but Emmanuel Macron also did not campaign in Wisconsin.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on May 17, 2017, 09:14:15 AM
So the Macron government was announced (was supposed to be yesterday, but they got delayed with tax / conflict of interest clearances).

Of note:
- Parity achieved, that was one of their promises. Not particularly shocking, it's been the case a few times. Notable ones: Culture, Defense, Employment, Health, Research all went to women.
- Quite a few "who the fuck is that", particularly women.
- Bayrou got Justice.
- Laura Flessel (former professional fencer, still holds the all-time record for number of olympic medals) got sports.
- Nicolas Hulot, more or less a french Extreeeeeeeeeeeme Attenborough, got Ecology. He's been asked multiple times in the past, but always refused.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on May 17, 2017, 10:54:39 AM
Bayrou not getting Foreign Affairs (but Justice) is a relief. France top diplomat is now Le Drian (Hollande defence minister for 5 years).

Not much bones for the left in this and the top priority of "reforming the labor market by decrees" is  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on May 18, 2017, 07:21:44 AM
In case one doubted that Macron was a choice by default for many :
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN18E1BG?il=0

Les Républicains decided to expel the party members who took ministries.

Meanwhile, the strange adventures of former Prime Minister Valls :
He's not endorsed by Macron's party, but they won't run someone against him.
He's not endorsed by the Socialists, but they won't run someone against him.
He's facing two independents (among others) who have on the ticket (as their back up candidate) Francis Lalanne, fabulously dressed singer with green concerns and Jaden Smith like awareness; Dieudonné, a talented black stand up comic who went down the rabbit hole of the far right and antisemitism some years ago. The candidate Dieudonné is the back up for is a man who slapped Valls once.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2017, 05:11:54 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on May 18, 2017, 07:21:44 AM
Les Républicains decided to expel the party members who took ministries.
Are they people who wouldn't be up for ministries under their own government or what? What if they win the election? Why not wait until after and say some bullshit like you were trying to be above politics or something until then? :lol

edit: Le Maire was Minister of Agriculture under Fillon just a few years ago ???
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on May 18, 2017, 06:11:41 PM
They're kicking them out not for accepting the job itself, but rather, working with Macron.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2017, 06:43:43 PM
Just seems to me like the kind of vengeance you'd take out after the election though, not before it. Though maybe it'll play well with their voters, i dunno. I figure with the Socialists falling apart you'd want to position yourselves as the sensible opposition that can also work with Macron at times to put in as the government. Even if you have no intention to do so, you could point to these guys as an example.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on May 18, 2017, 07:20:25 PM
I think the key point is that Macron is not so much creating a coalition but is making PS and LR implode. No love lost here for LR but really they're reacting out of self preservation, because if they let LREM (Macron's party new name) settle in the center right, they're going to be boxed in between him and the FN and marginalized from the strongest party in France (arguably the right has always been better at whipping people in line behind a single party) to a junior partner.

Polls are fairly confident LREM will do well and be able to have a strong enough numbers of MPs to build a majority.
Baroin's argument that they should have waited the June vote to accept jobs is a bit ludicrous though. Macron wasn't gonna wait a month to get to work.

Speaking of... First order of business : New labor reform they want to present by September. Guess this will be a good test to see if unions and the left are not comatose for good.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2017, 07:28:31 PM
This OpinionWay poll (https://www.opinion-way.com/fr/component/edocman/?task=document.viewdoc&id=1630&Itemid=0) says the Socialists are going to lose 230 or more seats. That'd be more than they lost in 1993 (207) which was the prior most for any existing party. Ouch.

It also doesn't have Melenchon's group gaining anymore jointly than they've had since they were still the Communists.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on May 19, 2017, 02:49:04 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/theresa-may-internet-conservatives-government-a7744176.html

Sounds good. Can't wait!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on May 22, 2017, 12:53:10 PM
Putin will visit Paris and newly elected President Macron on May 29, on the day of the premiere of an exposition about Peter the Great celebrating his visit in 1717 (apparently the start of a permanent diplomatic mission between the two countries). An invite in 2016 was declined after then President Hollande decided reducing its scope in response to Russian moves towards Syria and Ukraine.

Probably not gonna change anything major.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 22, 2017, 07:38:00 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-40003942/manchester-arena-incident-after-ariana-grande-concert
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 22, 2017, 08:40:16 PM
19 confirmed dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on May 23, 2017, 03:06:11 AM
Children and teenagers among the victims, obviously at an Ariana Grande concert.
Fuck  :maf :'(
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Klelk on May 23, 2017, 07:21:30 AM
Reminder that this had nothing to do with Islam
#youaintnomuslimbruv
#illridewithyou
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Rufus on May 23, 2017, 07:29:59 AM
Reminder that you're a piece of shit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: etiolate on May 23, 2017, 11:09:08 AM
Children killed in the blast.

CBS reporting a name of the terrorist, but no other confirmations.

ISIS taking credit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: fizzel on May 23, 2017, 11:26:26 AM
My girlfriend was there, happened minutes after the concert ended.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 23, 2017, 07:18:02 PM
http://time.com/4791237/rodrigo-duterte-martial-law-philippines/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on May 24, 2017, 11:59:45 AM
Speaking of, it has been forgotten amidst all the other stuff, but France is still under state of emergency (voted after the 2015 attacks) and Macron wants to extend it once more.

The satirical and investigative newspaper Canard Enchainé reveals thcis week that the new Minister for the Territorial Planning, Richard Ferrand, did employ his son when he was a parliament. Ferrand's cabinet confirms so and as a justification : "It's not easy finding a young man that has good writing/reading skills and knows how to use Internet in the center of Brittany"
 :comeon
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: benjipwns on May 25, 2017, 07:43:45 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAq5VrNXsAAbCVT.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 26, 2017, 04:23:50 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/manchester-arena-bomber-salman-abedi-10498466
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 29, 2017, 08:00:15 PM
Took me a minute to figure out what "b*****ks" was until I remembered what country this was from.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: chronovore on May 30, 2017, 03:33:46 AM
Quote from: Stro on May 29, 2017, 11:33:27 PM
That Frenchie alphamaling Trump, then shit talking him, then shit talking Russia while next to Putin. Balls of steel.  :salute

I like the little shout-out they give to their Canadian brothers' favorite snack by renaming Vlady-chan:

(https://i.imgur.com/HQtc7I6.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on May 30, 2017, 03:57:01 AM
For a rather inexperienced 39 years old dude, he certainly seems to have his international politics game on.
Hopefully he's going to get shit done at the national level.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on May 30, 2017, 05:59:23 AM
Taking the joke seriously : We always spelled Putin like that.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: brawndolicious on May 30, 2017, 03:37:24 PM
Quote from: Raist on May 30, 2017, 03:57:01 AM
For a rather inexperienced 39 years old dude, he certainly seems to have his international politics game on.
Hopefully he's going to get shit done at the national level.

Read the first part and thought I entered the GAF thread.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on May 30, 2017, 04:22:19 PM
On GAF the post would have mentioned cishet white.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on May 31, 2017, 01:59:01 AM
Chinese activists working for a company monitoring labor conditions in factories (recently over one making shoes, notably for Ivanka Trump labels) have been arrested :
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-labour-idUSKBN18R062?il=0
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 01, 2017, 06:52:55 PM
https://twitter.com/alexDellach/status/870286098693591040

White vote candidates in Alsace.

"Whatever you do, don't vote for us."
Ja mer kenna = "Yes we can."

Among their proposals : buying local products "The Alsatian Hamster will rise against the Chinese Panda".

Meanwhile Putin playfully admits that Russian (and patriot minded) hackers may, in theory, have been involved in all the data stealing surrounding the US election. Also compares them to artists (Can't wait for r/War and #Peace).

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/01/putin-says-russian-role-in-election-hacking-theoretically-possible

However, the most important part of the article may be this :

Quote
But on Thursday, the head of France’s cybersecurity agency said it found no sign that the Russian hacking group APT28, also known as FancyBear, was behind a large-scale hack of emails and data from Macron’s campaign.

Guillaume Poupard, director general of the ANSSI agency, told the Associated Press on Thursday that the Macron campaign hack “was so generic and simple that it could have been practically anyone”.

ANSSI experts investigated the hack, which resulted in about 9GB of data being dumped on the internet less than 48 hours before the second round run-off between Macron and far-right candidate Marine Le Pen.

Poupard said the investigation had uncovered no trace of APT28, adding that the attack’s simplicity “means we can imagine it was a person who did this alone. They could be in any country”.

Something bubble something narrative
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 03, 2017, 11:23:02 AM
So Corbyn's Labour is doing decent in polls, with the Tories seeing their grip melt like ice in the sun. They're still expected to lose, mind, but it's much above the expectations of most that Corbyn was gonna crater the party and that's with -as far as I understand- pretty lukewarm support from some in the apparatus.

Any opinion from UK residents ?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on June 03, 2017, 05:52:14 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/871117911259262976
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 03, 2017, 06:27:04 PM
Quote from: Raist on June 03, 2017, 05:52:14 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/871117911259262976

Lot of this sad fuckery going on lately. Kabul bombing, the attack in Manilla (though last I heard it was unclear what the motive was).
Hopefully not terrible, but the reports of lots of ambulances leave one a bit weary.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: etiolate on June 03, 2017, 06:35:27 PM
https://twitter.com/robboma24/status/871127541184172033
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 03, 2017, 06:40:12 PM
Reports of possible stabbings seems to be verified, it's unfortunately not "just" some nutcase in a van. Possibly several suspects researched and maybe another incident nearby
Best to Londoners, they're in for a rough night.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Syph on June 03, 2017, 06:45:12 PM
how many more are people going to tolerate
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Dennis on June 03, 2017, 06:49:51 PM
Quote from: Syph on June 03, 2017, 06:45:12 PM
how many more are people going to tolerate

Before what? What can realistically be done?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on June 03, 2017, 06:53:26 PM
Some guy got arrested it seems. Just a couple of mins walk down my street.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 03, 2017, 06:59:59 PM
Quote from: Syph on June 03, 2017, 06:45:12 PM
how many more are people going to tolerate

Judging by recorded human history, quite a lot. :yeshrug
Not to be cold or insensitive, but that's the truth. Hundreds of people meet violent deaths everyday for political motivations (if we can assume it's what is happening here, which is a pretty safe bet). Terrorism casualties in Western countries are barely a blip on the radar when you put them into that perspective.

Feel terrible typing this because it's humans we're talking about, not just mere statistics.

But reastically there's not a lot more that can be done to prevent such attacks. Intelligence gathering and law enforcement sophistication are both already pretty high as it is while civil liberties are being encroached. I guess you can always hire more coppers, but it's not like Israël is capable of keeping those attacks 100% in check despite having the army occupying the problematic territory and a friggin' concrete wall along much of the border.
Similar past run of attacks in Western countries (Anarchists or Algerian Nationalists against France) flared down when the political cause motivating them slowly died off or was resolved. Whack-a-moling suspected islamists abroad, at great cost, may be disrupting them but it's ertainly not working as a solution.

Problem being it's not clear we know how to resolve this one (or if those who claims to know are right, the cost is deemed too taxing as of now). Letting it die off -again, if we're talking about religious extremists of muslim faith- will probably take a few more decades.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: etiolate on June 03, 2017, 07:13:35 PM
The infringement on liberties seems entirely pointless right now. America hasn't been having these frequent attacks, but it's got two oceans to stand in the way. Even still, it's not just a persons from outside issue. It's a way of thinking that could be helped if we got rid of the gutless spin.

It really can only be changed by honesty about the ideology and Europeans or Americans can't do much compared to what Muslims could do about it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 03, 2017, 07:20:39 PM
Quote from: etiolate on June 03, 2017, 07:13:35 PM
America hasn't been having these frequent attacks

Is that true though ? Counting Orlando, San Bernardino, the Boston bombing, NY bombings and probably a couple others I am forgetting ?
EDIT : Granted, there's apparently less networks and group actions involved.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: etiolate on June 03, 2017, 07:34:37 PM
I think America is in an earlier state of planning than Europe, in regards to networks and plans. The people who focus on Al Quaeda are heavily concerned that Bin Laden's son is rallying the troops so to speak, and Al Quaeda is more US focused than other groups. There's a cultural element to the planning as well, since terrorism is largely aimed at the psyche of the public than the innocent targets. There's also basic logistic problems due to America's size.

Al Quaeda is heavy planning so it would have to deal with those logistics. ISIS inspired stuff, which is getting more common, is only held back by the individual's competence. (Which makes it more frightening in a way.)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Klelk on June 03, 2017, 07:38:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8bzK1mN_2g
Pub being told to get down
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: fizzel on June 03, 2017, 08:08:25 PM
Quote from: Dennis on June 03, 2017, 06:49:51 PM
Quote from: Syph on June 03, 2017, 06:45:12 PM
how many more are people going to tolerate

Before what? What can realistically be done?

Actually cracking down on people "known" to authorities might be a start.

They need to get their shit together before people start kicking mosque doors down.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 03, 2017, 08:40:08 PM
Possibly two suspects gunned down (quite a few reports of firefights throughout the night, though unclear how many and how reliable), three on the loose and loud explosions heard by the press at Borough Market, the site of the second incident. Hopefully the area was well cordoned by police to minimize casualties, as they've been present there for some time now.

EDIT : Apparently lots of eyewitnesses confirm that attackers tried to stab a large amount of people (reports that people in pubs were throwing bottles and tables at them to keep them away for several minutes). Thank god they didn't have rifles this time round.

I guess the only comforting thought is that most of the attacks in the last years only involve a handful of attackers every time and very rudimentary means. At some level the intelligence and police monitoring must be effective to keep the threat so part & parcel.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Boogie on June 03, 2017, 10:34:21 PM
Quote from: Dennis on June 03, 2017, 06:49:51 PM
Quote from: Syph on June 03, 2017, 06:45:12 PM
how many more are people going to tolerate

Before what? What can realistically be done?

Ding.

For more than a decade and a half, we have had nearly the entirety of the Western Security Apparatus completely dedicated to finding, stopping, and prosecuting terrorist threats.

You think that the current environment is a failure in that context?  Hell no.  This is success.  I am thankful and in awe that in 16 years, Canada has only suffered two successful terrorist attacks, with two fatalities.   And, while America has faced attacks, do you think the number of "successful" attacks bears any resemblance to what terrorists have tried to inflict on the USA?  Please.

There is only so much you can do to stop a lone crazy who is dedicated to an idea.

On this site, we're all probably civil libertarians to a degree, when it comes to our concern for privacy from state surveillance (yes, even me).   But increasing our chance of catching terrorists from 95% to 99% would likely mean an intrusion into our privacy which every last one of you would object to.

But that's not on the table anyway.  No matter what Snowden had to say, someone who wants their communications to remain concealed from the state is absolutely able to do so.  "Going dark" isn't the State telling scary ghost stories.  It's real.  It's here. It's just a fact of life.

Gaining 100% security against these attacks is impossible, and to come closer to it than we are now would require an Orwellian nightmare that no one wants.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 03, 2017, 11:01:55 PM
 6 dead, 20 injured, with 3 suspects dead.  Police killed them with in 8 minutes of getting called.  This looks like it was handled incredibly well and besides prevention, is probably the best that could have been hoped for. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 04, 2017, 10:26:55 AM
Do you expect some privacy on the internet ? Judging by May's speech today, and some of past ramblings from western governments, don't.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 04, 2017, 10:38:35 AM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40147813
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on June 04, 2017, 01:32:29 PM
Just did a quick swing by Borough High Street on the way back from work. You'd think this is a normal sunday. Brits are weird.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on June 04, 2017, 03:11:06 PM
Quote from: Boogie on June 03, 2017, 10:34:21 PM
Quote from: Dennis on June 03, 2017, 06:49:51 PM
Quote from: Syph on June 03, 2017, 06:45:12 PM
how many more are people going to tolerate

Before what? What can realistically be done?

Ding.

For more than a decade and a half, we have had nearly the entirety of the Western Security Apparatus completely dedicated to finding, stopping, and prosecuting terrorist threats.

You think that the current environment is a failure in that context?  Hell no.  This is success.  I am thankful and in awe that in 16 years, Canada has only suffered two successful terrorist attacks, with two fatalities.   And, while America has faced attacks, do you think the number of "successful" attacks bears any resemblance to what terrorists have tried to inflict on the USA?  Please.

2002 me would've been very surprised there haven't been several ≥ 9/11 attacks on the US by now, tbh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on June 04, 2017, 06:02:23 PM
According to the BBC one of the terrorists was known, reported several times for his "extremist views".

May might want to look into that before shutting down the internet.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Rufus on June 04, 2017, 06:37:14 PM
Quote from: Raist on June 04, 2017, 01:32:29 PM
Just did a quick swing by Borough High Street on the way back from work. You'd think this is a normal sunday. Brits are weird.
Quiet determination. As it should be. It can seem foolish or callous, but in this context, I find it very appropriate.

Quote from: Raist on June 04, 2017, 06:02:23 PM
According to the BBC one of the terrorists was known, reported several times for his "extremist views".

May might want to look into that before shutting down the internet.
You can play bingo with these revelations. Prior conviction(s), warnings from peers, violent tendencies, on at least one watchlist, already under observation, contact with islamists, etc. etc.

But then there are depressing twists to these sometimes, like with the Anis Amri case (Berlin Christmas attack). Berlin state police not only had grounds for an arrest (he was a drug dealer), but they also didn't actually observe him for as long as they were ordered to by the state prosecutor. On top of that, they tried to hide their negligence by fudging files.

Live and learn, I guess...

Also:
https://twitter.com/JFXM/status/871411401004396544

But hey, I guess policemen don't grow on trees either...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: benjipwns on June 04, 2017, 06:56:09 PM
The Boston Marathon bombers were implicated in a triple homicide (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Waltham_triple_murder) that the police sat on for two years because it was just a drug deal gone bad and who cares so they never followed any leads or anything to the boxing gym. That's how the FBI already knew the one guy's address.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Rufus on June 04, 2017, 07:06:10 PM
:shaq2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 04, 2017, 07:37:35 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 04, 2017, 06:56:09 PM
The Boston Marathon bombers were implicated in a triple homicide (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Waltham_triple_murder) that the police sat on for two years because it was just a drug deal gone bad and who cares so they never followed any leads or anything to the boxing gym. That's how the FBI already knew the one guy's address.

Someone getting shot over drugs isn't a real big red flag for terrorism, but weren't they implicated after the bombing anyway?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: benjipwns on June 04, 2017, 07:45:06 PM
I was using it as an example of what Rufus was talking about. (I hope?) Had the police actually investigated the homicide it would have led them to at least one of the brothers arrested because that Boxing Gym was connected, they never went and told the victims families it was a case with no leads drug deal gone wrong blah blah, even though the FBI had their addresses and stuff, and a few years later they're getting into terrorism.

They would have stopped a terrorist plot without ever knowing it. So you can't put it in as something that'll pop up the person.

As an aside. My favorite after the fact terrorism investigation is still the WTC 1993 bombing, the idiot tried to get his deposit back on the truck they used for the bomb.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 04, 2017, 07:52:55 PM
Well, they did investigate it, they just didn't get any suspects. This isn't even the first time this has happened in the past five years in Boston, or the most high profile https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/patriots/2017/03/20/aaron-hernandez-murder-trial-new-england/99423920/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: FStop7 on June 05, 2017, 12:23:46 AM
What the fuck just happened to the Gulf Cooperation Council?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 05, 2017, 02:36:01 AM
Quote from: Raist on June 04, 2017, 06:02:23 PM
According to the BBC one of the terrorists was known, reported several times for his "extremist views".

May might want to look into that before shutting down the internet.

To be fair, first call of action, at least in France, is to buff up Europol and intelligence sharing : certainly more efficiency gains to be made here. Though beyond a certain number of supposedly dangerous individuals you probably can't monitor everyone properly.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 05, 2017, 02:53:37 AM
Also, to stay true to my username, I'm dismayed that politicians and the media towing behind them are not making a lot of efforts to articulate the problem of djihadism/terrorism in actual political terms within the public sphere and instead seem content to just stick to the surface, emotional response of calling terrorists monsterous evil doers part of a death cult which we can only eradicate like pest. There's also a disturbing tendency of slapping labels a few hours after the attacks (partially to open up the use of exception laws out of convenience for the investigation) but little place down the road being made to the actual results of the investigations relative to the actual motivations and being actually linked to a network that can be traced back conclusively to IS or any other.

I'm not sure we would come to any different conclusions with regards to using force as we currently do.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on June 05, 2017, 04:12:38 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on June 05, 2017, 02:36:01 AM
Quote from: Raist on June 04, 2017, 06:02:23 PM
According to the BBC one of the terrorists was known, reported several times for his "extremist views".

May might want to look into that before shutting down the internet.

To be fair, first call of action, at least in France, is to buff up Europol and intelligence sharing : certainly more efficiency gains to be made here. Though beyond a certain number of supposedly dangerous individuals you probably can't monitor everyone properly.

There is certainly a problem in the UK compared to other EU countries. Here's some numbers from europol:

(https://abload.de/img/eu3zlfa.jpg)

That attacks/arrests ratio isn't looking too good.

Link to the full report  (https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0ahUKEwjolpO0n6bUAhXjI8AKHY5ABlgQFgg2MAI&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.europol.europa.eu%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fdocuments%2Feuropol_tesat_2016.pdf&usg=AFQjCNFiAUmZeoCmefzmHlCexMdAMLYWog&sig2=DileSuTGGmGtvdh8suG4gg&cad=rja)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 05, 2017, 05:15:58 AM
Quote from: FStop7 on June 05, 2017, 12:23:46 AM
What the fuck just happened to the Gulf Cooperation Council?

Reuters is reminding everyone that one such dispute already happened in 2014. I don't know enough to have any valuable insight but it's a really big diplomatic crisis (Qatar expelled from the alliance in Yemen, residents expelled and flights suspended...) so I guess the grievance against Qatar must be fairly bad.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN18W0DQ?il=0
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on June 05, 2017, 06:32:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt7lWRtfve8

 :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on June 05, 2017, 10:40:26 PM
I remember watching this doc last year. Turns out one of the attackers was there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y87bbdMY-wI

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: chronovore on June 06, 2017, 05:57:47 AM
Quote from: Raist on June 05, 2017, 06:32:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt7lWRtfve8

 :dead

I haven't seen dynamic stage presence like that since the dry readings for Napoleon Dynamite.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 06, 2017, 06:39:23 AM
France possibly ending tax breaks for Qatar ?
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN18X10V?il=0

Germany pulling troops from Turkey as NATO bonds are decaying :
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSKBN18X10I
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 06, 2017, 12:10:16 PM
Well, French polls seem to suggest that Macron will get a comfortable majority in upcoming legislative elections (maybe 300-400 seats out of 577). Right-wing LR could maybe get 100 (they have 200+ currently), Socialists & allies between 25 and 60 (compared to 280+), and maybe 5 to 20 seats for each far left FI and far right FN.

This is a massive problem for the Socialists, because the public financing of political parties are tied to the results of the election and for both LR and PS is the most important source for funding.

Political observers are now routinely expecting both the PS and LR to implode within the year. Far-left Mélenchon is pretty clearly trying to grind what's left of the Socialists to rise as the only leftist champion. Macron's success and the sudden emergence of a massive central bloc will maybe be the trigger for breaking the party in two between those ready to embrace alliances with the far-right and the others. It's all maybe a bit premature, however, as it's hard to have any certainties on how solid "Macronism" will be beyond the current wave and if it will gel as a real entity with a coherent ideology. And even at the verge of ruin, PS and LR have longstanding, solid networks which are in themselves valuable assets.

Meanwhile some controversy as the newspaper "Le Parisien - Aujourd'hui en France" claims to have had access to a draft of the upcoming labor law reform (or to be technical : a bill for the parliament to allow the government to use decrees instead of passing bills on the matter for a given period of time), going beyond what has been made public so far. Official sources denies it is a draft. Things should be made clear soon as union leaders will enter in discussions and negociations with the government shortly.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 06, 2017, 12:13:20 PM
French elections never seem to end
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 06, 2017, 12:16:55 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on June 06, 2017, 12:13:20 PM
French elections never seem to end

Oh don't worry, on the night of the 18 it will be settled. Especially if Macron gets a massive wave. Though there's still the senate (it's an indirect election, and it gets renewed by a third every three years).
However this might be the start of a possible strike season.
But it's almost done now : Macron will probably have a big mandate by citizens to do as he pleases.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 06, 2017, 12:19:08 PM
I don't really watch the regular strike season, just the finals. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 06, 2017, 12:20:32 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on June 06, 2017, 12:19:08 PM
I don't really watch the regular strike season, just the finals.

World Series 1917 - Winner : Bolsheviks.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 06, 2017, 12:28:31 PM
Only cause the pro players were away for the war. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: FStop7 on June 06, 2017, 02:09:13 PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-07/glencore-qatar-fund-buy-russia-s-rosneft-stake-for-11-billion

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Commodity trader Glencore Plc and Qatar’s sovereign wealth fund agreed to buy a 10.2-billion euro ($11 billion) stake in Russia’s largest oil producer from the state in a triumph for President Vladimir Putin over sanctions imposed by the West.

The surprise deal gives the buyers a 19.5 percent stake in Rosneft PJSC, which the U.S. and European Union have targeted with punitive measures, and is the biggest foreign investment in Russia since the crisis in Ukraine. It also marks a stunning return to deal-making for Glencore Chief Executive Officer Ivan Glasenberg a little more than a year after his company was forced to raise cash from shareholders.

Quote
Bringing in buyers for Rosneft, especially a trader like Glencore, probably makes “Putin smile all the way to when Santa Claus comes around in Moscow,” Steen Jakobsen, the chief investment officer of Saxo Bank A/S, said on Bloomberg Television on Thursday. Putin “was under pressure because the privatization program in Russia has been very stale and it has been almost impossible to find them a deal partner.”

Glencore's chairman is Tony "BP oil spill" Hayward

thinkingemoji.jaypeg
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on June 06, 2017, 05:48:36 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-bridge-terror-attack-fk-fuck-you-im-millwall-hero-roy-larner-football-fan-lion-of-london-a7775246.html

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Calls for Roy Larner, the 'Lion of London Bridge', to be given a medal after reportedly saving lives and making Millwall fans popular by single-handedly taking on the three attackers

Quote
“Like an idiot,” he told the newspaper, “I shouted back at them. I thought, ‘I need to take the p*** out of these b******s’.”

“I took a few steps towards them and said, ‘F*** you, I’m Millwall’. So they started attacking me.”

Quote
“I didn’t think of my safety at the time,” he added. “I’d had four or five pints — nothing major.

:lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: toku on June 06, 2017, 06:38:40 PM
https://twitter.com/sarahmccammon/status/872048220343595014
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Sausage on June 07, 2017, 02:57:18 AM
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/06/uae-social-media-users-face-jail-qatar-sympathy-170607053416087.html
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In a statement released on Wednesday, UAE's Attorney-General Hamad Saif al-Shamsi said sympathising with Qatar was a cybercrime punishable by law.

"Strict and firm action will be taken against anyone who shows sympathy or any form of bias towards Qatar, or against anyone who objects to the position of the United Arab Emirates, whether it be through the means of social media, or any type of written, visual or verbal form," Gulf News quoted Shamsi as saying in the statement.

The Federal Public Prosecution also announced that according to the Federal Penal Code and the Federal law decree on Combating Information Technology Crimes, anyone who threaten the interests, national unity and stability of the UAE will face a jail term from three to 15 years, and a fine not less than AED 500,000 ($136,000).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 07, 2017, 05:08:05 AM
A group of people attacked Iran's parliament.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/BigStory12/idUSKBN18Y0HV
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 07, 2017, 07:07:47 AM
Another day in Festung Europa

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/06/theresa-may-rip-up-human-rights-laws-impede-new-terror-legislation

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[May] said: “But I can tell you a few of the things I mean by that: I mean longer prison sentences for people convicted of terrorist offences. I mean making it easier for the authorities to deport foreign terror suspects to their own countries.

“And I mean doing more to restrict the freedom and the movements of terrorist suspects when we have enough evidence to know they present a threat, but not enough evidence to prosecute them in full in court.

“And if human rights laws stop us from doing it, we will change those laws so we can do it.”

Still in the UK, Diane Abbott, a fairly prominent Labour member (up to now the prospective Home Secretary) is taking an indefinite break from the campaign for an undisclosed but serious sounding health condition.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/07/diane-abbott-to-step-aside-for-the-period-of-her-ill-health-corbyn-says
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Atramental on June 07, 2017, 12:35:01 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/irfuS10.jpg?1)

Good luck on your general election, Brit Borians.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Atramental on June 07, 2017, 12:44:09 PM
They pop up every now-and-then.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Mupepe on June 07, 2017, 01:15:46 PM
Quote from: Atramental on June 07, 2017, 12:44:09 PM
They pop up every now-and-then.
Fucking gophers
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 07, 2017, 02:36:26 PM
Quote from: Atramental on June 07, 2017, 12:35:01 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/irfuS10.jpg?1)
british humor (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/scusthov.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 07, 2017, 03:38:26 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on June 07, 2017, 02:36:26 PM
Quote from: Atramental on June 07, 2017, 12:35:01 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/irfuS10.jpg?1)
british humor (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/scusthov.gif)

get fucked monty python rules
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Atramental on June 07, 2017, 05:51:48 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/771qsku.jpg?1)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 07, 2017, 07:39:42 PM
 :doge

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBv12C6UMAAV2TD.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 08, 2017, 05:51:09 AM
Iran not too pleased with statement from Trump.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-iran-usa-attacks-idUKKBN18Z0LE

Japan updating its 1907 laws on rape
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-japan-rape-idUKKBN18Z0V2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on June 08, 2017, 07:31:06 AM
(https://abload.de/img/cbec1204-9158-4737-96j2y03.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Rufus on June 08, 2017, 09:01:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTbs98ZL6z8
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 08, 2017, 06:02:06 PM
Quote from: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/jun/08/general-election-results-2017-uk-live-labour-tories-corbyn-may-election-results-live-news-line
Exit poll suggests Britain is on course for a hung parliament

David Dimbleby is reading out the results

Conservatives: 314

Labour: 266

SNP: 34

Lib Dems: 14

Plaid Cymru: 3

Greens: 1

Ukip: 0

Others: 18

And this is how these results would compare with 2015.

Conservatives: Down 16 on the 2015 seat result

Labour: Up 34

SNP: Down 22

Lib Dems: Up 6

325 is needed for a majority in Parliament.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Atramental on June 08, 2017, 06:32:24 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/NDamjoc.jpg)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://i.imgur.com/I2xlEL4.jpg)
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2017, 06:36:00 PM
Another woman losing to a low energy old guy  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2017, 07:51:59 PM
https://twitter.com/johnprescott/status/872957575788101632
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 08, 2017, 08:06:01 PM
Today has been a good day for liberals.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: FStop7 on June 08, 2017, 08:41:42 PM
Theresa May gonna have to queue up in the unemployment benefits line alongside all those immigrants  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 08, 2017, 09:48:02 PM
this might come down to northern ireland wtf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: chronovore on June 08, 2017, 10:40:08 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on June 08, 2017, 05:51:09 AM
Iran not too pleased with statement from Trump.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-iran-usa-attacks-idUKKBN18Z0LE

Japan updating its 1907 laws on rape
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-japan-rape-idUKKBN18Z0V2

Interesting; I'm certain that the intent on enabling prosecution even when the victim does not press charges is focused on power-harassment, though I'm wondering what side-effects this will have.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: benjipwns on June 09, 2017, 05:14:39 AM
some dude on the sky news said the tories are discussing dumping may and immediately calling for another election :doge

spoiler (click to show/hide)
some lib dem dude said they might consider supply if they have brexit do over but would probably pull out if it also goes against them :lol
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: benjipwns on June 09, 2017, 05:17:37 AM
Quote from: Atramental on June 08, 2017, 06:32:24 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Jeb! Now More Than Ever
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on June 09, 2017, 05:19:34 AM
Oh snap.

https://www.makeourplanetgreatagain.fr/

Website details information and opportunities (research grants for instance).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: benjipwns on June 09, 2017, 05:30:24 AM
trying to hop on evilore's coattails obv
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 09, 2017, 05:49:07 AM
Quote from: Raist on June 09, 2017, 05:19:34 AM
Oh snap.

https://www.makeourplanetgreatagain.fr/

Website details information and opportunities (research grants for instance).

It's smart but isn't one of the biggest issues the disparity in grants and wages ? Always heard France could not compete (relative to the US) on that front. Don't know how effective the poaching can be in light of that.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: benjipwns on June 09, 2017, 07:24:56 AM
guess they found a deal:
Quote
Theresa May has struck a deal with the Democratic Unionists that will allow her to form a government, sources have confirmed.

The prime minister is expected to see the Queen at about 12.30pm on Friday to confirm that a deal is in place.

It follows extensive talks with the DUP late into the night. Party figures say they have been driven on by their dismay at the possibility of Jeremy Corbyn becoming prime minister.
Quote
A DUP source said: “We want there to be a government. We have worked well with May. The alternative is intolerable. For as long as Corbyn leads Labour, we will ensure there’s a Tory PM.”
Quote
Senior DUP figures claim they moved quickly to form an agreement to stop any chance of Corbyn entering No 10 because of his and John McDonnell’s past support for Sinn Féin and the IRA.

“The two parties [Labour and DUP] have worked well together for two years. There’s no reason to suppose they won’t continue to do so in future. But the point made time after time to Labour MPs remains: for as long as you allow yourselves to be led by an IRA cheerleader, you exclude yourselves from entering No 10,” said a DUP source.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: FStop7 on June 09, 2017, 08:05:40 AM
Join up with open racists to save face, brehs.   :doge

"Fuck it, mask off"

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on June 09, 2017, 01:11:37 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DB4SiY1XgAEz9l3.jpg)

:dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: etiolate on June 09, 2017, 04:29:34 PM
Corbyn scares people as incompetent the same way Trump does even if their politics are vastly different.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on June 09, 2017, 07:13:57 PM
(https://abload.de/img/1q8ajh.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: FStop7 on June 09, 2017, 07:25:06 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/kHzI695.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 09, 2017, 09:24:14 PM
http://imgur.com/gallery/4c2gm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Atramental on June 09, 2017, 09:24:58 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on June 10, 2017, 01:27:00 AM
All hail Lord Buckethead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrpJ4N0ffgk
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Mandark on June 10, 2017, 01:41:52 AM
I dunno about drawing broad conclusions from this election.

But suck it UKIP. More like United Kingdom Impotence Party! Boom. Roasted.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on June 10, 2017, 01:58:21 AM
Depardon finally released, will be back in Paris later today.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40225950
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 10, 2017, 02:16:11 AM
Can someone explain to me why this translates into "BERNIE WOULD HAVE WON" from the UK to the US over twitter?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Mandark on June 10, 2017, 02:26:22 AM
Because the politics of other countries are merely metaphors for our own and also losing narrowly is basically winning.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on June 10, 2017, 02:49:14 AM
Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on June 10, 2017, 02:16:11 AM
Can someone explain to me why this translates into "BERNIE WOULD HAVE WON" from the UK to the US over twitter?

Sure. Here's why:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on June 10, 2017, 02:16:11 AM
twitter
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: chronovore on June 10, 2017, 04:59:14 AM
Quote from: Raist on June 10, 2017, 01:27:00 AM
All hail Lord Buckethead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrpJ4N0ffgk

https://twitter.com/poundstoremike/status/873087783614595073
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on June 10, 2017, 11:21:58 AM
Oh cool, everything is going to work out now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/40232154

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The atmosphere in Downing Street under Theresa May is "pretty toxic" and its operation "dysfunctional", a former aide of the prime minister has said.

Katie Perrior, who served as director of communications for 10 months, said she and others were not able to "speak freely" and her advice was not heeded.

She accused the PM's chiefs of staff Fiona Hill and Nick Timothy of treating ministers with a lack of respect.

The PM is being urged to make changes after failing to win the election.

The BBC understands Mrs May has been warned she faces a leadership challenge on Monday unless she sacks her two closest advisers.

::)
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Post by: Raist on June 10, 2017, 11:56:06 AM
:lol :lol :lol

https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/873568236222246913
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on June 10, 2017, 05:30:36 PM
Oh please for the love of all the british cakes, please do it. :lol

https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/873645501438144512
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: etiolate on June 10, 2017, 05:53:59 PM
True Story: Americans are still wondering who won the British election
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: benjipwns on June 10, 2017, 06:20:35 PM
With good reason. You have to wait until Parliament reconvenes so they can count the Electoral Votes duh.

Their whole system for choosing an executive is based on a centuries old method using geographically distributed votes. They don't actually cast any votes for PM if you can believe that, it's all for other people who then vote for PM. Don't even need a majority or plurality of the popular vote.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 10, 2017, 06:27:42 PM
Quote from: etiolate on June 10, 2017, 05:53:59 PM
True Story: Americans are still wondering who won the British election

It was The Queen, obviously:

https://twitter.com/eedrk/status/872955951292104704
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on June 11, 2017, 11:51:12 AM
Jeremy "Cunt" freudian slip again on the BBC :dead


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 11, 2017, 06:45:05 PM
French first round of voting for the National Assembly :

So first a subtility I forgot : To qualify for the second round (provided one is necessary), you must either finish in the top 2 places in the first round OR have above 12,5% of all the voters on the ballot in your district (regardless of whether they did vote or not). In short, if you have a 50% turnout, a candidate would need at least 25% to go into the second round provided he's not among the two top vote getters.

And as it turns out turnout ( :doge) is low for the election this year, slighty below 50%. And as expected, Macron's party La République en Marche (LREM) is trailing ahead with 30%+ of the total votes. In short : this year there won't be a ton of runoffs with 3 candidates or more (so far only one for sure, while there was 34 last election).

The Macronist wave is already pretty much in and on track to be perhaps the largest majority in the history of the 5th Republic (depending if all future elected MPs file as a single group in the Assembly or if the center-right MoDem keep some autonomy), possibly over 400 seats out of 577.

The national tally is along those lines :
La République en Marche (LREM) 32%
Right wing Les Républicains (LR) 21%
Far right Front National (FN) 14%
Far left France Insoumise (FI) 11%
Parti Socialiste (PS) 10%
Green Europe Ecologie Les Verts (EELV) 3%
Parti Communiste de France (PCF) 3%
Right wing Debout la France (DLF) 1%

Revised projections for seats ([min] to  [max]) :
LREM (& MoDem) - 415 to 455
LR (& UDI) - 70 to 110
PS (& EELV) - 20 to 30
FI - 8 to 18
FN - 3 to 10
PCF - 1 to 5 (?)
Others - 7 to 12

- So far (votes are still counted), only 3 people have been elected in the first round, which is very low.

- There will be a lot of new blood and people being elected to their first mandate.

- All parties (Except Macron which is probably fine and dandy with the results) hope for a better turnout and frantically call to not give all powers to the new President. Fat chance...

- It's a bloodbath for the Socialists & Greens (which are projected to get 15-30 seats), with a lot of experienced personnel, recent ministers, and big names losing jobs tonight. I won't bore you with obscure french politicians so we'll just name two : Hamon (candidate in the recent presidential election) and Cambadelis (First Secretary of the Party) are already out of their respective races.

- Nicolas Dupont Aignan, leader of DLF and the only prominent candidate to the presidency having sided with far right Marine Le Pen, is being unusually roughed in his district (which he is holding since 1997, including a few wins in the first round) : He's apparently in second position with 25% (EDIT : 29%), trailing behind a LREM candidate. Probably some voter fatigue and his deal with the FN in the presidential election (a deal since then dissolved... A FN candidate was running against him too) shocked a lot of people.

- The FN is not doing great either and should have at most 10 MPs come next week, if that.

- FI leader Mélenchon is personally doing better than a lot of the other failed presidential bids (he's ahead in the Marseille district he chose to run in and the incumbent Socialist has been eliminated) but his national score is meh. They're still above the Socialists  so there's that. FI and the Communists rivalry was bitter this time round and except a few select cases they each ran candidates in the same districts. They'll probably become "allies" again in the Assembly if needed to form a group (you need at least 15MPs to do so and it is used to determine speaking times and who gets to get into committees). The most depressing part is that we went through all of this 5 years ago almost down to the letter.
Always the rhetorician, Mélenchon is spinning the low turnout as "No majority of voters came forward to reform labor law".

- Henry Guaino, former member of President Sarkozy's inner circle, ran as a dissident and was flattened. He went to TV a few minutes ago to announce that he retired from politics and said the voters in his Paris district were all either "selfish bobos" (Bobo for "Bourgeois Bohčme") or "Pétainists (ie Fascists) fundamentalist Christians bourgeois" and that they were all "sickening"  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 11, 2017, 07:50:17 PM
I don't understand any of what you just posted, but I appreciate you for posting it, VomKriege.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2017, 10:29:42 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on June 11, 2017, 06:45:05 PM
again in the Assembly if needed to form a group (you need at least 15MPs to do so and it is used to determine speaking times and who gets to get into committees)
Saw that some Socialists were organizing their second round campaigns around promoting this fact. I can't think of a bigger L for an outgoing party in power. (I mean, other than being wiped from existence*.)

The combined elections are going to be one of the worst electoral defeats for a party in power in Western political history.

*My favorite rise and fall of a party is still this from Canada:
1984: Progressive Conservatives (the then Tories) win 211 out of 282 seats, which is +111 seats, AND they get 50% of the popular vote. (Which has only happened like twice post-war.)
1988: They lose 34 seats and fall to 43%. but still doin' alright since still have majority of seats. New PM takes over in 1992.
1993: They lose 154 seats (which is six more than you need for a majority) and wind up with a grand total of 2 seats. (New PM loses re-election in her seat.)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 12, 2017, 10:36:35 AM
That's cause Chrétien is a dreamboat
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2017, 10:39:07 AM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on June 12, 2017, 10:36:35 AM
That's cause Chrétien is a dreamboat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D000Amn9CIA
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PikszBkfTHM
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 12, 2017, 11:50:54 AM
I'm not even joking.  He was my first PM and in my mind how a PM should look.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 12, 2017, 04:57:40 PM
So a couple of things heard on the radio on the first round of National Assembly elections in France :
- Turnout was especially depressed with the youth, workers and the unemployed.
- It was however excellent for people with a monthly revenue of 3000 euros or more. Median revenue in France is roughly at the 1800-2200 euros.

So in that sense one can be skeptical that Macronism is really adressing the issues faced by most Western liberal democracies that the "dangerous classes" are feeling alienated. It's really more about the middle class finally being united to push its agenda through.

Hot take and anecdotal : Marine Le Pen probably hurt the chances of her party with her terrible debate performance. Some Frontistes militants are still talking about it...

The FN has over a hundred candidates in runoffs but are expected to get 1 to 5 seats, maybe 10 if they do really well.

As usual after every vote for the assembly, we're debating using some mesure of a proportional system to counterbalance the fact that 5th Republic institutions are designed to produce clean majorities. Macron has promised to look into it... as per usual : IIRC Hollande promised the same and lip service has been paid to the idea for decades. Once in power, there's much less urge to do so... and the unspoken consensus is that the current system is very good at shutting the far right out. No one really wants to be the guy who "gave" the Front National dozens of seats, even in the name of fairness for all.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2017, 05:13:17 PM
The Finns/True Finns/whatever just elected a rather...controversial...new leader. And they were part of the Finnish government until today because they hold 38 of the 200 seats and it's near impossible to form a government without them without it being a grand coalition of some type.

edit stolen from Finnish people on GAF:
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Both Prime Minister Juha Sipilä and Finance Minister Petteri Orpo took to Twitter Monday afternoon to announce that the government coalition would no longer include the nationalist Finns Party. According to new Finns Party chair Jussi halla-aho, the coalition stumbled over the thorny issue of immigration policy.

The election of hardline anti-immigrant Eurosceptic Jussi Halla-aho last weekend to replace outgoing chair Timo Soini has introduced a new complexion to the nationalist Finns Party – and created a political headache for Sipilä’s pro-EU government. It also propelled PM Sipilä into a huddle with Halla-aho, Orpo and opposition parties to decide on a way forward.

"Discussions held. Our joint proposal to Centre/NCP Parliamentary groups: no ground to continue cooperation with a Finns Party led by Halla-aho," Sipilä and Orpo wrote in identical tweets Monday afternoon.
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I really wouldn't want to be in this country, if it was lead by a man with statements like this:

Rough translation:
"As I was standing next to a gay person, I was wondering, if I should take a gun from upstairs, and shoot him in the head. Would the euphoria be big enough, that it would be worth the jailtime? Violence is these times an underrated way of solving problems"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 12, 2017, 05:47:14 PM
http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-cabinet-decides-to-heed-pa-request-to-cut-gaza-electricity/

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An Israeli official told the daily Haaretz newspaper on Sunday that the security cabinet earlier in the day had accepted the recommendation of the Israeli military to cut the supply at the request of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas whose confrontation with Hamas has escalated in recent months.

The PA has been paying 40 million shekels ($11.3 million) a month for 125 megawatts, but recently said it was now only prepared to pay for 20-25 million shekels ($7 million) a month for electricity to Gaza.

The hours of electricity supply in Gaza will now likely be reduced from six hours per day to between two and four hours a day.

Jesus.
Fucking.
Christ.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 12, 2017, 05:56:59 PM
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/874242414806020096

:heh

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Although, it's apparently written onto goat-skin parchment after it's read before Parliament.
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 12, 2017, 05:57:38 PM
WTF is this shit. 

edit:  about Gaza
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2017, 06:06:09 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on June 12, 2017, 05:47:14 PM
http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-cabinet-decides-to-heed-pa-request-to-cut-gaza-electricity/

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An Israeli official told the daily Haaretz newspaper on Sunday that the security cabinet earlier in the day had accepted the recommendation of the Israeli military to cut the supply at the request of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas whose confrontation with Hamas has escalated in recent months.

The PA has been paying 40 million shekels ($11.3 million) a month for 125 megawatts, but recently said it was now only prepared to pay for 20-25 million shekels ($7 million) a month for electricity to Gaza.

The hours of electricity supply in Gaza will now likely be reduced from six hours per day to between two and four hours a day.

Jesus.
Fucking.
Christ.
So glad Trump pulled out of Paris now.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 12, 2017, 06:12:51 PM
Another funny bits from the French election.

In the 18th legislative district of Paris, Socialist Party candidate Myriam El Khomri (former minister of Labor, gave her name to the latest unpopular reform pushed a year ago) has claimed a few hours ago that she had "Macron's official backing". She is facing right wing Les Républicains Pierre-Yves Bournazel which posted a few days ago on his twitter account a video... of the Prime Minister (also a member of LR before accepting the office from Macron) Edouard Philippe supporting him.
:trumps

In the 1st legislative district of North, the Front National candidate Eric Dillies actually called for his supporters to vote for the far left France Insoumise Adrien Quatennens. "Sending another LREM (Macron's party) MP to the Assembly is neither useful nor healthy for democracy". North and the Straits of Dover are former Socialist stronghold : they had 18 MPs there from 5 years ago. Not a single candidate made it to the runoff yesterday.

In Marseille's 4th district (Where Mélenchon is running), the city judges have opened a procedure to investigate a fight that broke out in a polling station before a vote disparity (and potential tampering) was noted.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 12, 2017, 06:24:56 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on June 12, 2017, 05:57:38 PM
WTF is this shit. 

edit:  about Gaza

I can't comment on the merit of each party arguments but it highlights just how poor quality of life is in general over there and how absurdly tight the Israeli occupation still is.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Rufus on June 12, 2017, 07:49:13 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on June 12, 2017, 06:24:56 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on June 12, 2017, 05:57:38 PM
WTF is this shit. 

edit:  about Gaza

I can't comment on the merit of each party arguments but it highlights just how poor quality of life is in general over there and how absurdly tight the Israeli occupation still is.
At this point, neither player in this game can back off, it seems.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 13, 2017, 05:17:53 AM
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/9579/production/_96456283_express.jpg)

Leave it to Brits to be excited about 3 months of heat.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2017, 06:36:10 AM
The Finns Party split in half:
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Finland's nationalist Finns party will be split into two parliamentary groups following a change of leadership, MPs in the planned new group told reporters on Tuesday.

Lawmaker Simon Elo said the new group would take 20 of the Finns party's current 37 parliamentarians, and added that it was ready to participate in the coalition government.

The Finns party was on Monday thrown out of the country's three-party government after it picked a new hardline anti-immigration leadership.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: FStop7 on June 13, 2017, 07:22:14 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on June 12, 2017, 05:47:14 PM
http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-cabinet-decides-to-heed-pa-request-to-cut-gaza-electricity/

Quote
An Israeli official told the daily Haaretz newspaper on Sunday that the security cabinet earlier in the day had accepted the recommendation of the Israeli military to cut the supply at the request of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas whose confrontation with Hamas has escalated in recent months.

The PA has been paying 40 million shekels ($11.3 million) a month for 125 megawatts, but recently said it was now only prepared to pay for 20-25 million shekels ($7 million) a month for electricity to Gaza.

The hours of electricity supply in Gaza will now likely be reduced from six hours per day to between two and four hours a day.

Jesus.
Fucking.
Christ.

Hamas is going to take over, aren't they?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: toku on June 13, 2017, 03:45:01 PM
https://twitter.com/chunkymark/status/874640582819426304
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 14, 2017, 09:38:24 AM
"Germany plans to fingerprint children, spy on personal messaging"

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-germany-security-encryption-idUKKBN1951VG

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Rufus on June 14, 2017, 11:39:56 AM
Can't be outdone by the UK, now, can we? :shaq2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 14, 2017, 05:46:34 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on June 14, 2017, 09:38:24 AM
"Germany plans to fingerprint children, spy on personal messaging"

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-germany-security-encryption-idUKKBN1951VG

 :doge

Fingerprinting? What, is this the 1930's and somehow they can't take DNA samples? This is why no one takes Europe seriously.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: FStop7 on June 14, 2017, 08:21:20 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on June 12, 2017, 06:24:56 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on June 12, 2017, 05:57:38 PM
WTF is this shit. 

edit:  about Gaza

I can't comment on the merit of each party arguments but it highlights just how poor quality of life is in general over there and how absurdly tight the Israeli occupation still is.

Except the bit about further reducing the number of hours with electricity was pushed forward by Abbas against the recommendation of Israel.  That makes it sound like the Palestinian Authority is losing whatever control they had of the territories to Hamas and they're becoming increasingly desperate, to the point where even the Israelis are like "yo this isn't a good idea."  That sounds really grim. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 15, 2017, 03:33:22 AM
For all the talk of changing the paradigm, Macron's tenure is going through some of the usual baby pains.
One minister (Ferrand) has been engulfed in the suspicion of past shady practices (may have employed a relative, rented an office he owned with public funds, kept his post in the health insurance industry as he voted laws foavorable to health insurance companies...). Another (De Sarnez) has been said to be connected to the abusive use of her European Parliament aides, paid by the EU but really working for the MoDem party. In fact the MoDem is alleged to have a dozen people concerned in that investigation. (No one so far is indicted however, investigation is ongoing).

MoDem leader François Bayrou, and new Minister of Justice, called the direction of the public radio network to complain about their "aggressive investigating" (apparently they questioned some people in an inquisitive manner) and tried to downplay the inappropriate interaction by claiming he was calling "not as the minister and a politician but as a concerned citizen" (because concerned citizens all have access lines to the heads of media conglomerates to bitch). The Prime Minister went on the same radio network the next day to say this was not an acceptable behavior and that members of his cabinet ought to leave free press alone. Bayrou didn't stand down however and said "he would speak up whenever he felt it justified". Things were left hanging there with no conclusion as the spokesperson for the government said the whole incident was closed after the weekly Cabinet meeting with no publicized mea culpa.

With regard to the labor law reform and its interaction with unions which are currently meeting the governement to prepare negociations, Macron reportedly said "It's going well with unions so far... because I haven't told them anything precise yet".
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: benjipwns on June 15, 2017, 03:37:44 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on June 15, 2017, 03:33:22 AM
With regard to the labor law reform and its interaction with unions which are currently meeting the governement to prepare negociations, Macron reportedly said "It's going well with unions so far... because I haven't told them anything precise yet".
If he can keep that up I imagine nothing but success.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on June 15, 2017, 01:16:17 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ed-balls-michael-gove-gangnam-style-the-last-leg-video_uk_59426886e4b0d3185487305c?ncid=tweetlnkukhpmg00000007

 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Brehvolution on June 15, 2017, 01:19:47 PM
Ed Balls is a real name?  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on June 15, 2017, 02:00:33 PM
Quote from: Brehvolution on June 15, 2017, 01:19:47 PM
Ed Balls is a real name?  :lol


Yes. But it gets better.

Quote
On 28 April 2011, Balls, urged by an assistant to search Twitter for a recent article about him, accidentally entered his intended search term in the wrong box and sent a tweet reading only "Ed Balls".[59] The tweet was retweeted by thousands; Balls was unaware that it was possible to delete tweets. The tweet has never been deleted. The incident is now celebrated as "Ed Balls Day" every 28 April, with followers retweeting his original message and commemorating the occasion in other ways.[60][61] When invited to send something to be auctioned to raise funds for the party in 2015, Balls submitted a framed, signed printout of the tweet.[62] To celebrate "Ed Balls Day" in 2016, Balls baked a cake featuring the tweet.[63] Six years on from the original tweet, Ed Balls Day 2017 drew tweets from organisations including Virgin Atlantic and the National Trust - the latter in response to a tweet parodying Prime Minister Theresa May's berating of the National Trust for omitting the word "Easter" from promotional material for Easter egg hunts. His participation in the 2016 series of Strictly Come Dancing, featuring as it did the unconventional sight of a former member of parliament mimicking the Gangnam Style dance, provided material for several wellwishers.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: jackbenimble on June 15, 2017, 02:50:06 PM
Macron wants to be the Uber of France

https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/875394454110294016
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: benjipwns on June 15, 2017, 03:59:08 PM
Quote from: jackbenimble on June 15, 2017, 02:50:06 PM
Macron wants to be the Uber of France

https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/875394454110294016
i think that was robespierre's original pitch before things got all out of hand
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 15, 2017, 06:59:52 PM
I forgot to mention : François Bayrou, the new Garde des Sceaux (Guardian of the Seals, Minister of Justice in normal parlance) -who came under fire for complaining directly to the direction of the public radio network for their inquiries into his party alleged misuse of public funds- is the one carrying the latest bill for "moralizing public life" (anti-corruption/nepotism law for elected officials, in short) to be soon debated. He also made a big show, when asked about the suspicions surrouding Minister Ferrand, of reading an article of law about how the Justice Minister can't comment and meddle in ongoing investigations when he was intronised a few weeks ago. :doge

The investigation around the MoDem party are a major crank in the wheel for this government because they've been given three important Cabinet positions (Justice, Defence and European Affairs). MoDem is a middle size party and any widespread felony is likely to implicate them.

Macron has also said that he will discontinue the tradition of the President being interviewed on the 14th of July. The trending buzz word with regards to our new President is "Jupiterization", a figure akin to a god in Olympus. It makes sense as it counterbalances his age and besides I think it's pretty clear he will try to administer us a pretty stern reform package, and it's easier if people believe in your authority. But honestly, that yearly interview was a boring and often pointless exercice where the anchors of the two biggest networks came in to make the President look good.

Quote
lol he wants france to be the exact opposite of what it is now? good luck macaroni

Heh I wouldn't be so sure. Macron was elected in a triumph and he's gonna control 60-80% of the National Assembly in 3 days (even if his only ally, the MoDem, turn on him). The new Assembly first order of business will be to vote to allow him to govern by decree for some time. Sure you can always argue about the meaningfulness of those scores (running against a lepered far right candidate / low turnout for the Assembly election) but all those legitimacy debates often amounts to a molehill in reality. He was given a massive mandate and a free hand to implement his policies. The candidates he endorsed flattened incumbents and experienced politicians almost everywhere even when they're young unknown quantity.

Not to deny that labor law, unemployement and pension reforms are all potentially explosive in France. But there's no guarantee that protests will reach the critical mass needed. All the more since Macron staked his whole agenda on this and his credibility will be stillborn if he bows out. I sadly wouldn't be too surprised if people weren't in the mood for it, unions lost the battle over the latest labor law "El Khomry" reform (despite OK-to-good -albeit slow- mobilization and a notable "Occupy" event lasting for weeks), there's a lot of discouragement and resignation in the air. I mean if there's one thing to take away from the ongoing election, it's that voters are fairly apathetic to the traditional parties being dismembered or the Macronist wave. It's kinda shitty how the Presidential election is really the only thing that matters, but that's the system we have for now.

Misc. :
- Apparently the right had a "shit on Fillon" day today. Shooting departed ambulanced is a free action and I guess a lot of them were eager to vent. Right now the LR party is trying not to comment on internal divisions to save what can be but as soon as the election is done we're promised a lot of fireworks. The hard conservative / christian wing is maybe gonna split altogether.
- Nathalie Kosciusko-Morizet, former Minister under Sarkozy and currently running in Paris 11th district, was apparently roughed up by a bystander as she was campaigning on a market (he threw back her leaflets to her face, called her a "gentrified piece of shit", she fell and was unconscious for several minutes). She is hospitalized for the night (at least).

Misc. 2 :
A reporter told on the radio that one of Macron's candidate balked when he learnt what the wage of a MP is (5000 euros / month, give or take) because he's winning double that as a business owner. He was already considering keeping his business on the side to not lose revenue.
 :heh :success
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Rufus on June 15, 2017, 10:37:44 PM
Quote from: jackbenimble on June 15, 2017, 02:50:06 PM
Macron wants to be the Uber of France

https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/875394454110294016
Hm. Raise a bunch of funding to inflate your name, then get bought out by a bigger company? Greece has been there and done that. :doge Something tells me France won't appreciate a stubborn old man with crusty ideas changing the company culture.

edit: gerund-und-und~
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 16, 2017, 04:55:10 AM
Invent overdesigned weapon systems with African and Arab angel investors. In a broken English accent.

...wait a minute.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: toku on June 16, 2017, 03:29:23 PM
https://twitter.com/labourlewis/status/875758693693960193
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on June 16, 2017, 06:14:28 PM
How the fuck was this approved for publishing.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-06-16/beware-of-blaming-government-for-london-tower-fire
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: benjipwns on June 17, 2017, 02:24:36 AM
Megan McArdle, the lesser half of The Suderman

her old Atlantic blog was fun because of the comment section of cross-ideological unity always trashing her "skimmed an article, now an expert on ethanol" type posts, also where blighter first started I think

she once argued that one of her biggest problems "as a libertarian" with Ron Paul is that he wanted to eliminate the income tax :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Rufus on June 17, 2017, 07:58:14 AM
Quote from: Raist on June 16, 2017, 06:14:28 PM
How the fuck was this approved for publishing.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-06-16/beware-of-blaming-government-for-london-tower-fire
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Now, I won’t defend the folks who go 90 in a 50 mph zone.  But in less extreme cases, the broader calculation is probably correct. Auto accidents cost lives. But automobile transport has also saved a lot of lives, by enabling the economic growth that has made us richer and healthier. Slowing traffic down to a crawl would make a lot of that economic activity impossible, or at least, unprofitable. Very few people would like to lower a very small personal risk of death 1  by agreeing to live in the economic equivalent of 1900.
Car analogies have a higher accident rate, too.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 17, 2017, 10:57:19 AM
Fun fact: automobile fatalities per year actually peaked more than four decades ago [54k in 1972, versus 35k in 2015] and has been trending downward during that time period, despite far more drivers on the road, far more miles driven per year, and increased highway speeds.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Rufus on June 17, 2017, 11:17:57 AM
Man, can you imagine how much better all our lives could be without safety regulations and engineering?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Brehvolution on June 17, 2017, 12:13:31 PM
Can you imagine how much better Zoos would be if they got rid of the cages?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 17, 2017, 12:19:48 PM
yes
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Brehvolution on June 17, 2017, 12:29:22 PM
Can you imagine no religion?  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 17, 2017, 12:36:57 PM
OMG zoo bears just eating all the children, their little screams and no God to embrace their little souls? 

Go on,... you monster. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 17, 2017, 12:37:16 PM
A further point to illustrate what I talked about earlier :
A recent poll says that 58% of the French citizens sampled don't want a Macronist wave in the Assembly.
Yet turnout will likely be between 50% and 46%.
:trumps

Meanwhile Jacques Toubon, the "Defender of Rights" (an independent administrative authority safeguarding individual rights), has made a statement denouncing the "exceptional and unprecedented infringement on the fundamental rights", "inhumane conditions of life" and the "hunt" suffered by the migrants stuck in the Calais region after a visit there.

As you may know, lots of migrants (hundreds to thousands depending on the period) are massing there in the hope of crossing the Channel to the UK, stirring a lot of resentment among the inhabitants and a lot of worries as to their health and safety in general. Up until recently they were centered in the so-called "jungle", a slumtown, but President Hollande ordered it razed officially because of its poor safety conditions. But of course closing it didn't make the people vanish with it and now they're roaming the region on a day to day basis trying to escape police (who often can't do much anyway besides transporting them a tad farther away to make their presence less obvious). Exactly the same scenario than after 2002 when President Sarkozy ordered the closure of the Sangatte refugee center that was nearby.

Oh and a man was arrested as the potential agressor of candidate for the National Assembly Nathalie Kosciuzco-Morizet while she was campaigning on a market : he's the mayor of a small village of 33 people in Normandy. He's, apparently, one of the few supports of Henri Guaino who ran as a candidate in the same Paris district as Kosciuzco-Morizet and insulted all of the voters of said disctrict on TV after he lost badly.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 17, 2017, 06:50:52 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-twitter-idUSKBN1980U1?il=0

Pro-Maduro Twitter accounts (including ambiguously semi-official outlets) have been banned for unclear reasons.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on June 18, 2017, 04:44:41 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40316934

Huge forest fire in central portugal. Death toll is at least 43.

(https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/13A9F/production/_96534508_fire.jpg)

(http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170618035325-portugal-fire-exlarge-169.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 18, 2017, 02:23:54 PM
Well, color me surprised but French citizens put votes where their mouth is : The Macronist wave is slighty less impressive than expected.

First estimations and polls are as follow (approx. numbers) :

La République en Marche (President's party) : 311 seats out of 577 in the National Assembly
MoDem (center-right, Macron's ally) : 43
Right-wing Les Républicains (+ centrist UDI) : 120
Socialists and allies : 49
Far left France Insoumise : 19
Communists : 11
Far right Front National : 8
Right wing "without label" : 7

Edit : shit turnout too. Probably 44% or so.

Edit : Other polling institutes have larger projections for LREM.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on June 18, 2017, 03:02:00 PM
Mélenchon going full crazy :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 18, 2017, 05:20:31 PM
Also of note : 3 Corsican nationalists (autonomists & independentists) out of 4 seats on the island. The nationalists also control since 2015 the local assembly.

4 of the 8 Front National MPs are elected in the Straits of Dover districts (+1 in the North). Marine Le Pen is elected, as well as her partner.

Cédric Villani, who won the Fields Medal, is elected for the majority (LREM).
Bruno Bonnell, former CEO of Infogrames is elected for LREM too.
Laurence Vichnievsky, a former judge specialized in financial affairs (including several high profile cases like the PCF occult funding, the Elf affair and the Taiwanese frigates) who entered politics with the Greens several years ago, was elected for LREM.
Eric Halphen, another former judge (prominent in the scandal of the Paris public housing office), running for LREM, was beaten.

All of the members of the current governement running in those elections won.

Mélenchon is elected.
Valls claims he won (with a margin) 139 votes but her FI opponent will file a claim for a recount and an investigation into alleged irregularities.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 18, 2017, 06:00:44 PM
And some stats on the new National Assembly (barring that the results for Manuel Valls or his female opponent are up in the air).

Out of 577 seats total :
- 224 women elected.
- 180 people coming from Management, 129 Public Servants, 88 Independants (Doctors, Lawyers, etc...), 51 Employees, 40 Retired, 14 Farmers, 11 Artisans and shop owners & 0 Factory Workers
- 146 incumbents reelected, 204 with no experience in an elected office.
- 145 aged 40 or below, 349 aged between 40 and 60, 83 aged over 60.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 18, 2017, 06:43:11 PM
Has there ever been that many non-office holders elected at once before? I'm trying to think of an analogous "wave" type election to American Congress where 1/3 of the class are new to politics and can't.

(I'm also not sure if France has term limits, which would lead to more turnover naturally.)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 18, 2017, 07:01:24 PM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on June 18, 2017, 06:43:11 PM
Has there ever been that many non-office holders elected at once before? I'm trying to think of an analogous "wave" type election to American Congress where 1/3 of the class are new to politics and can't.

(I'm also not sure if France has term limits, which would lead to more turnover naturally.)

No term limits for any office except the President (2 successive max.). There's laws that forbid holding several certain offices at once. One of those laws was voted in 2012 and entered into effect with this election and basically forbids the previously very popular combo of being a mayor on top of a MP. As a result, a non negligeable number of incumbents opted to keep their mayoral mandate and didn't run here. 40% of the incumbents did not seek re-election.

I don't have the answer to your question but reading a couple of articles, it's probably one of the biggest renewals since 1958 (with the first Assembly elected along De Gaulle to forst the Vth Republic).

Of course, some people were never elected but are not new to politics. For instance and AFAIK, Hugues Renson (New representative for Paris 13th district) never ran in an election but worked as an advisor to President Jacques Chirac. There's no denying though that a lot of new blood is brought in, for ill and good. There's some worries that there's gonna be a couple of hiccups in the fine-tuned machine of the National Assembly (notably to compose the committees) though I think it's overblown : there's some experienced personnel in LREM and more is probably gonna flock to the triumphant new president.

The other major questions is whether Macron's MPs will rubberstamp everything and react well to being whipped, and if politics are gonna be micromanaged from the blackbox of thePresident's office at the Elysée (As I said, Macron is keen on presenting himself as a "Jupiter" and there's hints he will reduce media access. Hollande was famously very talkative to his press detail. Much too much in fact since a book of his interviews published during his mandate and titled "A President souldn't say those things..." was a mini-scandal for a couple of months).
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Post by: Raist on June 18, 2017, 07:24:21 PM
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The Government is to privatise the NHS’s in-house, publicly-owned provider of agency staff, ministers have announced.

NHS Professionals, the health service’s main staffing agency, provides 90,000 health workers to around a quarter of NHS trusts, covering two million shifts a year.

In a written statement issued on Thursday as most MPs headed back to their constituencies, the Government announced it would sell off a majority stake in the orgnaisation to the private sector with the aim of “creating a profitable business model”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nhs-privatisation-charges-professionals-in-house-agency-a7426966.html

But the Ł350M
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Post by: VomKriege on June 19, 2017, 11:34:10 AM
A man tried to ram his car into a law enforcement van on the Champs-Elysées. His car took fire on impact and the man is dead (no other casualty) and arms & explosives were in the car.

Macron government plans on voting into common law some of the measures contained into the exceptional state of emergency  :doge
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Post by: VomKriege on June 19, 2017, 02:57:09 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-india-us-medtech-exclusive-idUSKBN19A0RT

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A group of U.S. lawmakers has backed medical device makers by urging India to reconsider its decision to cap prices of heart stents, raising the issue ahead of Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit to the United States later this week.

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Before the pricing order, for example, Boston Scientific was selling its high-end Synergy stent for about $3,000 in India, well above its $750 cost, according to a company document seen by Reuters. The new cap reduces the price to $450, and the company says it would result in losses of at least $7 million this year.

Am I reading this right ?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 19, 2017, 03:05:22 PM
Hospitals over here will charge you $3000 for a bottle of aspirin.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 20, 2017, 02:25:54 AM
https://www.acast.com/warcollege/whatnorthkoreawants

Reuters's War College has a good episode on North Korea by a self avowed "contrarian" scholar. Fairly illuminating on the local context that is often lost in translation.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 20, 2017, 04:48:52 PM
I spoke upthread about the problem with migrants roaming the Calais region. One van driver was killed yesterday in an accident involving a makeshift roadblock set up by migrants, a tactic commonly used to slow or stop trucks in the hope of sneaking onboard to get to the UK (4 million trucks transit through there per year). Sometimes migrants are hit by cars on the road leading to the harbour.

Otherwise French politics will be fun this summer.

Far right Front National had a party direction meeting today and they put chains on the entrance grid to prevent Jean-Marie Le Pen, still honorary president (a title he won back in courts after they tried to strip him of it), from making a scene. So he just made a press conference outside and said his daughter should step down.
 :takei

As is customary, the cabinet resigned upon the results of the National Assembly vote to be very soon (tomorrow) reformed in its definitive form. But what was supposed to be a technical move (maybe adding some undersecretaries) is spinning a bit out of control.

First it was made clear that the Minister of Territorial Cohesiveness, Richard Ferrand, would not come back and is being "exfiltrated" back to his MP seat (he was reelected this Sunday) as a probable leader for the Macronist group. Ferrand is under investigation (but not yet indicted) in a number of possible violations including : employing relatives, voting laws as MPs benefiting health insurance while being on the board of an health insurance (something he often omitted to mention to his fellow representatives) and having the health insurance he was on the board of advance funds to buy a building to his wife through a rather complex scheme.
Conveniently, Ferrand has some immunity as a MP, though he swears he will answer justice's convocations.
In theory, Macron told it would abide to the now customary rule of people being indicted having to leave the Cabinet, but they're obviously trying to preempt that.

What wasn't expected however was that the Minister of Defence, Sylvie Goulard, asked to step down to "prepare freely her legal defense if need be". Herself and her party MoDem is under investigation for a systematic practice of having the people working for the party be hired as Europarliament assistants. By all accounts, Goulard never was at ease with this. But it begs the question for the two other MoDem heavyweights in the Cabinet including the new Minister of Justice. Also no indictment yet here but it might be forthcoming.
To note, the Front National is suspected of the exact same thing. Supposedly Marine Le Pen will now honor court convocations since the campaign is over...

Oh and today the story of Macron's trip to the CES held in Las Vegas last year also came up : seems that the entity Business France granted the organization of this event to advertising giant Havas without the mandatory open bid. Business France was then directed by Muriel Pénicaud, Macron's Minister of Labor.

Exemplary Republic indeed. :trumps

Meanwhile Macron is making moves to create a loyal group in the Senate. A senator (formerly Socialist) has been tasked with this and has already 20 fellow senators around him. They're aiming for 60 (out of 348).

And a right wing National Assembly member for the party LR has already said he has enough fellow MPs on board to create a dissident group of LR representatives that will broadly support the Cabinet (starting with voting confidence in a few days). LR is due for nasty infighting over the question of being staunchly in the opposition or being "constructive" (as the supporters of that stance like to call it). Socialists as well : the official party line recently adopted is opposition, but a number of individuals already made known they wouldn't abide.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 21, 2017, 04:07:48 AM
Well it didn't take long. The two other MoDem ministers, François Bayrou and Marielle de Sarnez, have stepped down as well. François Bayrou will hold a press conference at 17h... one hour before the new Cabinet is announced.
 :lol  :ego

François Bayrou is not yet "implicated as an individual" but the press inquiries have turned up that his PR manager and even the receptionist ( :lol :lol :lol ) were also hired part time as aides to Europarliament Modem's MPs, a system dating back at least as far back as 2009 and maybe much longer (back when it was called the UDF in the late nineties).

There's some sweet sweet schadenfreude of seeing Bayrou, the quietly obnoxious / sermon dispenser Christian-Democrat with a messiah complex, imploding in just a month after finally reaching the kind of responsibilities he begged for years. Flip-flopping, nakedly pressuring press with unsanctioned tantrums, being exposed as an hypocrite...
 :delicious :aah

Meanwhile Valls is reportedly calling everyone to know which group he'll join in the National Assembly. If no one is interested in such a great man, he does not exclude joining the Socialists he's trying so hard to cuck at every turn.

And holy Virgin Mary, the France Insoumise figureheads (Mélenchon but the others too) are really gratting as fuck with their hyperbole. I say that as someone who voted for them. No wonder Mélenchon is always killing his very own coalitions.

EDIT :

Raffarin, former Prime Minister of Chirac, is now said to be in line for a job in the Cabinet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORj3wImDhLk

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(http://i.imgur.com/eS25Xmd.jpg)
"Missing me yet ?"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on June 21, 2017, 06:42:41 AM
On the plus side I suppose, they got kicked out immediately.

And Mélenchon is a nutter.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Atramental on June 21, 2017, 08:37:18 AM
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/06/saudi-arabia-appoints-king-salman-son-crown-prince-170621033707437.html

Absolutely Halal?  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 22, 2017, 06:55:43 AM
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/canadian-elite-special-forces-sniper-sets-record-breaking-kill-shot-in-iraq/article35415651/

damn we're cool ... wait we are fighting in Iraq?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on June 22, 2017, 07:38:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz8TSv5hrNU


:dead


For added context, most of the DUP members are young earth creationists.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Rufus on June 23, 2017, 08:46:04 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/23/turkish-schools-to-stop-teaching-evolution-official-says

Onwards! Backwards! :salute
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 25, 2017, 04:11:35 AM
"More blood but no victory as Philippine drug war marks its first year"

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-philippines-duterte-drugs-idUKKBN19G05B

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"There are thousands of people who are being killed, yes," said Oscar Albayalde, Metro Manila's police chief told Reuters. "But there are millions who live, see?"

:trumps

Edit

"Oil truck explosion kills 132 people in Pakistan"

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-pakistan-tanker-idUKKBN19G07D

Terrible. Didn't something similar happened in West Africa a few years ago ? Though maybe intoxication with fumes...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 25, 2017, 08:26:46 AM
Also slippery slope to autocracy news :

Also Maduro claims a US backed imperialist and oligarchy coup and that an undisclosed number of suspects will be tried maybe by military courts. Meanwhile protests are still going on.

The Turkish Gay Pride in Istanbul will try to go forward despite not receiving a public authorization.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 26, 2017, 06:44:00 PM
French Politics : The Aftermath part ?

The 11 Communists MPs passed a deal with four ultramarine representatives to create their own group in the Assembly, autonomous from the France Insoumise one. It was expected as the relations between the two parties have been strained hard (again).

There's also a collection of left wing independents / without labels wishing to create a "constructive" (towards the government) group. If they manage to do so, former Socialist Prime Minister Manuel Valls would affiliate with them. If this group really do get created, it would be the eighth one in this National Assembly, the most numerous they've been under the Vth Republic.

The speaker will be chosen very soon too and 2 women are running (alongside a man, all members of the majority group). A women being elected to this position would be a first. To note however that all the party groups are headed by men...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: chronovore on June 27, 2017, 12:26:12 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/NzymZiV.jpg)

Pretty cute.

:supergay
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Bebpo on June 27, 2017, 04:20:17 PM
I've seen stuff at times that Trudeau has his own share of problems with his politics, but dude is amazing at PR. Comes off as a really good guy (hopefully he really is).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 27, 2017, 05:13:24 PM
meh his problems are pretty minor.  The only major one is election reform.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 28, 2017, 03:39:59 PM
"Venezuela movie actor behind helicopter attack on government buildings"

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-venezuela-politics-actor-idUKKBN19J2EV
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 29, 2017, 06:24:28 AM
French Oppo Rifto : Implosion 2017

So in the end, it's the male candidate who was elected as the National Assembly president. De Rugy, who ran in the socialist primary, got bodied there and promptly left the Socialists to carry water for Macron. Principles ! (though LREM has decided this office will be vacated at mid-mandate).

Anyway there was some ruckus yesterday at the Assembly, when it was time to elect the Assembly Vice Presidents (6) and Quaestors (3) (the later are in charge of the finances). Day started slowly -though it is rather ironic in hindsight- with the debate over the France Insoumise MP not wearing "proper attire" (unwritten usage is for men to wear ties and women to wear dresses). Things got heated afterwards.

The norm since the seventies is to give two Vice-Presidencies and one Quaestor to the opposition, and it used to be that all candidates were neatly settled by the different parties before the vote... but not this time.

Right-wing Les Républicains (LR) party being the biggest opposition group, they expected to get Eric Ciotti into the Quaestor job. But the other dissident Les Républicains group I mentioned earlier, those "willing to be constructive with the majority" (but still registered as "opposition"), also ran their group president Thierry Solčre as a candidate and he was elected thanks to the votes of the Macronist majority.

The LR group was pretty lit up by the whole thing (Ciotti went on TV since then to ask for the excommunication of the "constructives" from the party...) and despite adjourning twice, no solution was found and the LR group decided to boycott the election of the Vice Presidents. Yet the vote carried on and against tradition, all of the vice-presidents are from the majority (5 LREM + 1 MoDem), which elicited some fiery reactions from the far-left Communists and Insoumis. The majority is saying they'll "give back" those posts once "LR stops sulking".

Meanwhile Macron decided he would adress the Congress (Assembly + Senate) in Versailles directly... a day before the Prime Minister goes to the Assembly for the traditional presentation of his General Policy. Calling the Congress is a new thing in French politics (we can again thank former President Sarkozy for this brilliant idea), before that, adresses from the President were written and read by the National Assembly president. It's OK because the President is the brains and the Prime Minister is carrying the execution, or so the official line goes.

The spokesperson for the government also had the bright idea to say that "the press should refrain from weakening the Ministry of Labor" (which as I told earlier may be implicated in not respecting open bids rule for an event in CES with Macron).

Lastly, as to why the President would not give the customary 14th of July TV interview, some inside source justified that Macron's thought was too complex for that.

 :neogaf
Macron really is buying in his own "I am Jupiter" stuff, isn't he ?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 29, 2017, 08:20:52 AM
Beyond the politics theatre, some heavy stuff is going down.

3 associations are suing French bank BNP Paribas for complicity in the Rwanda genocide, for possibly financing arms shipment to Hutu troops, shipments that were illegal under an UN ban.
And a French press outlet (XXI) has a new investigation regarding the implication of the then French presidency, thanks in part to the testimony of a former French officer Guillaume Ancel. Ancel is not exactly a conspiracy kook, he went through the officer school, was part of the GHQ and since leaving service has had high ranking posts in the national railways and a large pension fund.

Ancel was in Rwanda as part of Opération Turquoise (the French humanitarian intervention in Rwanda concomitant to the UN efforts) and says he was explicitly ordered, as his group was back from a mission, to "distract journalists" because "an arms shipment convoy is about to leave" for nearby Zaďre, where the Hutu groups that carried the killings nested inside refugee camps. This was in late July 1994, at the very tail end of the massacres (and long after the UN embargo was decided) and at that point no one could argue confusion about the events or the identity of the men ordering the slaughter.

XXI also claim to have interviewed a high public servant who saw some of the classified archives including a note from the Elysée : apparently some officers objected to those orders to rearm Hutu killers and it went up to the President's desk. A note from someone (reportedly "H.V", maybe Hubert Védrine, one of the foremost French diplomats who worked at that point for François Mitterrand's office) on the document just says : "Follow directives" which imply a policy defined at the very top. Védrine admitted before the National Assembly Defence Committee that shipments indeed continued as per previous policy (France supported the regime before the "FPR uprising" turned into the most nightmarish massacre in living memory) but is reported to have been excessively defensive when confronted on the subject otherwise.

Ancel also told a "funny" anecdote : a researcher asking for access to the archives related to Rwanda was told that the "archives were open but could not be consulted". It reminded him of when he was posted in Sarajevo and was ordered to "ripost but without opening fire".

France fucking up Africa is what we do, but this instance is especially egregious, troubling and sickening.

Speaking of : It's once more killing time in the basket case known as Centrafrique...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 29, 2017, 07:25:03 PM
Also the Cour des Comptes (the French public audit, in short) has released a report very critical of the last budget of President Hollande mandate. Long story short : there's 8 billions euros more into the deficit than planned.

The government has already said that they wouldn't hike taxes but do more savings to absolutely comply with the European guideline of a sub-3% deficit. This was already in the air before, with the new Minister of Economy saying hard choices were imminent. With maybe more cuts than originally promised, conveniently enough.

Macron used his twitter to reveal his official portrait :

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(http://i.imgur.com/FQRgMB1.jpg)
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Notice the smartphone(s) in the bottom left corner because OMG so hip, I guess ? Also books (De Gaulle, Gide and Stendhal, I'm told), a clock, some rooster shit, he's both inside and outside... Way too busy and artificial. If you want to compare to those of the other French Presidents see the link below...

http://culturebox.francetvinfo.fr/arts/photo/tous-les-portraits-officiels-des-presidents-depuis-le-general-de-gaulle-100207
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on June 30, 2017, 05:36:29 AM
Germany voted today to legalize sex-same marriage. Merkel of course, after virtue signalling about it, voting against it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Rufus on June 30, 2017, 05:51:31 AM
Completely neutered a topic her opponents championed and placated the socially conservative parts of her base.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2017, 06:30:22 AM
Learned about the neat card voting system the Bundestag uses because of this, hadn't know about that. Though I have to say that shelf with all the cards looks like you could totally grab anybody's card (https://www.bundestag.de/image/295224/16x9/1886/1062/e5082b9e821f4dfd2c5d2220ba98e224/qO/abgeordneter.jpg) and be a total dummkoff. Though with the party-whip style voting it's probably not a big deal if one dude for say the SPD has to gather them all up and do it by himself since they know how they'll vote anyway a lot of the time.

And the whole idea of that reminds me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG6X-xtVask
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My favorite part is the dude who gets annihilated not only on going to vote for another dude but then gets annihilated before going back to his own desk. WASTED.
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Oh, forgot it's common:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMYwPNsEG-Q
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: wsippel on June 30, 2017, 06:50:05 AM
Quote from: Raist on June 30, 2017, 05:36:29 AM
Germany voted today to legalize sex-same marriage. Merkel of course, after virtue signalling about it, voting against it.

I can't stand her and think she's probably the worst chancellor we had in many decades, but I can't fault her for that. "I'm personally against it for religious reasons, but I'm not going to actively prevent it" has always been her line.

That said, our current government totally sucks at writing laws, and this is no exception. It's unconstitutional, just like the asinine social media censorship laws that also passed today. A ton of recent laws have been. But unlike the censorship laws, this law could have worked if they changed the constitution, which would have been possible and would have had enough support. So basically, this is a whole lot of nothing, the constitutional court will probably overturn it, and we're back at square one. And a lot of people will bitch and whine, not realizing that that's literally the only thing the court can do, because their only job is to uphold the constitution. Ignoring the issue would set a dangerous precedent.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on June 30, 2017, 09:28:19 AM
I'd argue that voting against it is trying to "actively prevent it".
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Fifstar on June 30, 2017, 09:48:31 AM
I don't think Merkel ever cited religion as the reason for being against the marriage for all.

She talked about her bad gut feelings in the past and now declared it as a question of conscience.

In general it's an exercise in frustration to try and judge her personal feelings and thoughts. In this case, I doubt she is really against the new law. Like rufus said, she purely voted against it not to scare the conservative base of her party away (fwiw, the majority of people that vote cdu are actually in favor of the marriage for all).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2017, 11:28:20 AM
yeah but that critical CSU swing vote :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on June 30, 2017, 05:37:03 PM
Quote from: wsippel on June 30, 2017, 06:50:05 AM
That said, our current government totally sucks at writing laws, and this is no exception. It's unconstitutional, just like the asinine social media censorship laws that also passed today. A ton of recent laws have been. But unlike the censorship laws, this law could have worked if they changed the constitution, which would have been possible and would have had enough support. So basically, this is a whole lot of nothing, the constitutional court will probably overturn it, and we're back at square one. And a lot of people will bitch and whine, not realizing that that's literally the only thing the court can do, because their only job is to uphold the constitution. Ignoring the issue would set a dangerous precedent.

Could you elaborate on that ? Is there a provision in the German constitution about marriage ? More importantly : Why are the supporters of the bill going forward with it if this has no chance to fly ?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on June 30, 2017, 06:39:27 PM
AFAIK marriage has some special protection and its own article in the german constitution but it doesn't explicitly mention the spouses' sexes. The arguments against applying it to same-sex couples are really weak, at best.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: wsippel on June 30, 2017, 07:15:04 PM
Quote from: Fifstar on June 30, 2017, 09:48:31 AM
I don't think Merkel ever cited religion as the reason for being against the marriage for all.

Pretty sure she did, in a townhall organized by the ZDF a couple years back.


Quote from: VomKriege on June 30, 2017, 05:37:03 PM
Could you elaborate on that ? Is there a provision in the German constitution about marriage ? More importantly : Why are the supporters of the bill going forward with it if this has no chance to fly ?

Yeah, article 6 GG. It doesn't outright state that marriage has to be between man and woman, but the way it's worded, our constitutional court decided a few years ago that opposing genders were implied, because it specifically talks about families with kids and mothers and stuff. And while adoptions are obviously a thing, they're an edge case, and surrogacy is illegal in Germany, which means marriages as a protected institution are implied to be partnerships at least theoretically capable of procreation.

But I talked to my dad a few hours ago (he's a legal expert and former government official who used to write laws), and while he agrees that the government should have changed the wording of article 6 to remove the implications (something many constitutional lawyers stated in recent years as well), he also explained that this law probably isn't going to get overturned after all, because it's a special case in which only a select few parties could file a complaint, and not one of them is all that likely to do so. And our constitutional court can't do anything unless somebody complains. So the law is (probably) unconstitutional, but we're going to keep it anyway.

As for why they did it this way regardless, instead of going the proper route? Because, as I wrote, our government doesn't know what the fuck they're even doing, and our lawmakers are by and large not lawyers and even more clueless. The ridiculous "Netzwerkdurchsetzungsgesetz", which also passed in the same sitting, is a prime example of shoddy and unconstitutional lawmaking, and that one people can and will (successfully) complain about. That's another badly designed new German law, which fines social media for not removing "hate speech" and "fake news" within 24 hours. What folks don't realize is that there's no proper definition of "hate speech", so "I hate muslims", "I hate nazis" and "I hate pancakes" are essentially all the same, and fact-checking every single news article is completely unreasonable. It's up to companies on the other side of the globe to figure out what the powers-that-be might or might not find objectionable, and if their guess is off, they could get fined €5 million. If this sounds ridiculous and fucking stupid, that's because it is.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on July 03, 2017, 07:22:38 PM
Got some Sarkozy vibes from Macron in that press conference in Mali (when adressing the people holding hostage a 70+ years old French nutritionist down there).  :doge Tone was spot on, all that was missig was the shoulder swinging.
Macron was there for the "G5 Sahel" summit (with the heads of state of Mali, Mauritania, Niger, Tchad) that aims to create a multinational task force to deal with djihadists in the Sahel (notably AQIM) that would add itself to the already in place UN force and Mali and the French Opération Barkhane. I can't help but note the absence of Algeria which is the biggest military actor bordering Mali... Anyway, France will be there "for as long as it takes". Considering we've been "there" non stop since the 19th century, the more things change, the more...

Adressing the Parliament in Versailles was kinda meh too apparently, the council room was super heated much to the discomfort of everyone. Macron confirmed he wanted to reduce by a third the number of Deputies (577 currently) and Senators (348) for a more "effective legislative work" (less representatives with bigger and better staff). Also he believes that simpler laws could be voted by some of the National Assembly committees without a vote (:what) ? He wants to wrap up all that stuff within a year.

Otherwise mostly a balancing act between giving dues to the French social safety net while saying making poors dependant on handouts was immoral.
It was all a tad vague, probably because he has to leave some actual details for the Prime Minister general policy speech Tuesday.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: chronovore on July 04, 2017, 06:41:12 PM
 It must be nice having a leader that can form complete sentences and spell.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on July 05, 2017, 12:30:17 PM
It continues to begin : the French government is pushing back its promise to cut the tax paid by tenants for 80% of the concerned taxpayers because of the "unexpected" 8 billions euros to compensate in last year budget.
The 20 cigarettes pack will gradually be rised to 10 euros (from 7 today). Taxes on gas will be used to stop giving incentives to buy diesel cars. Several important vaccines (for a total of 11 probably) will be made mandatory for kids.

Meanwhile Simone Veil died a few days ago, best known in France for having carried the bill legalizing abortion in 1975, will rest in the Pantheon along with the other "Great Men" (and a handful of women, she is only the fifth one to be honored like this) and her husband's remains after receiving national honors today. She survived Nazi extermination camps and was a tiresome defender of the now European Union.

Lastly, French and Belgian police conducted a coordinated operation : One men was arrested in the Lille suburb of Wattignies (peak north of France) on suspicion of planning an attack. The Belgian police found weapons and arrested 4 men suspected of being linked to the Kamikaze Riders (?), a biker gang of radical islamists (??) who were apparently pegged by authorities as planning an attack in Brussels late 2015 (as you may remember, the city was put on lockdown shortky after the Bataclan attack in Paris).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on July 06, 2017, 01:30:46 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/uLKhOb2.png)


 :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on July 06, 2017, 06:17:14 PM
UK business leaders to call for indefinite delay in leaving single market. (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/06/uk-business-leaders-to-call-for-indefinite-delay-in-leaving-single-market)

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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: etiolate on July 07, 2017, 05:07:08 PM
Apparently german antifa are beating journalists up at g20.


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: brawndolicious on July 07, 2017, 06:14:00 PM
Quote from: etiolate on July 07, 2017, 05:07:08 PM
Apparently german antifa are beating journalists up at g20.

Why would they do that?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on July 07, 2017, 06:16:17 PM
The Cyprus talks for a path to reunification fell through :

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-cyprus-conflict-idUSKBN19S02I
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: etiolate on July 07, 2017, 06:27:58 PM
Quote from: brawndolicious on July 07, 2017, 06:14:00 PM
Quote from: etiolate on July 07, 2017, 05:07:08 PM
Apparently german antifa are beating journalists up at g20.

Why would they do that?

Story so far: A German journalist took a picture of one journalist, with other journalists around that journalist and called it a picture of Identitarians and Fascists. They sent this pic to ANTIFA and ANTIFA hunted them down.

Obviously they weren't fascists but that's not important to ANTIFA.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on July 07, 2017, 06:48:07 PM
Also Israël is having a :neogaf meltdown over Hebron being classified by UNESCO as a world heritage site. It's not clear if they're more pissed by the fact a Palestinian State is treated as the legimitate entity to file such a demand or by the delusion it somehow negates the Jewish significance (go read the UNESCO blurb about it here (http://en.unesco.org/news/world-heritage-committee-inscribes-new-site-and-approves-extension-existing-site-unesco-s-world)). I guess the Cordoba Mosque is now a Christian site since Spain was in charge of the demand, by the same logic.

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In the immediate aftermath of the vote, [Israeli representative] Shama Hacohen took out his mobile phone and scornfully informed the committee: “It’s my plumber in my apartment in Paris. There is a huge problem in my toilet and it is much more important than the decision you just adopted.”

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Netanyahu called it “another delusional Unesco decision” and said Israel would “continue to guard the Cave of the Patriarchs, to ensure religious freedom for everybody and ... guard the truth”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/07/unesco-recognises-hebron-as-palestinian-world-heritage-site

(With all the expected typos you could imagine for the Grauniad).

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Danny Danon, Israel’s Ambassador to the United Nation, stated: “This attempt to sever the ties between Israel and Hebron is shameful and offensive, and eliminates UNESCO’s last remaining shred of credibility. To disassociate Israel from the burial grounds of the patriarchs and matriarchs of our nation is an ugly display of discrimination, and an act of aggression against the Jewish people.”

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Israeli President Reuven Rivlin tweeted : UNESCO seems intent on sprouting anti-Jewish lies, while it remains silent as the region's heritage is destroyed by brutal extremists.

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In a statement sent to Breitbart Jerusalem and other media outlets, Education Minister Naftali Bennett slammed the UNESCO decision as “disappointing and disgraceful,” and said UNESCO “denies history and distorts reality, knowingly serving those attempting to erase the Jewish state.”

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Emmanuel Nahshon, spokesman for the Foreign Affairs Ministry, tweeted : The @UNESCO decision on Hebron & Tomb of Patriarchs is a moral blot. This irrelevant organization promotes FAKE HISTORY. Shame on @UNESCO 👎 The #Jewish people's glorious history in #israel started in #Hebron.No @UNESCO lies and FAKE HISTORY can change that. Truth is eternal🇮🇱🇮🇱

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/07/07/unesco-recognizes-hebrons-tomb-of-the-patriarchs-judaisms-second-holiest-place-as-palestinian-heritage-site/

Nashnon also apparently named the organization, in French, "UNESCROC" (UNESCROOK), according to Le Monde newspaper.

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Avigdor Lieberman, the Israeli defense minister of the nationalist Yisrael Beiteinu Party, described Unesco, the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization, as “a politically biased, disgraceful and anti-Semitic organization.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/07/world/middleeast/unesco-hebron-world-heritage-site-israel-palestinians.html?mcubz=0

This Israeli government sound like a bunch of theocrats, to be honest.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 07, 2017, 07:01:20 PM
 Breitbart Jerusalem?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on July 08, 2017, 05:33:03 AM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on July 07, 2017, 07:01:20 PM
Breitbart Jerusalem?

A bunch of past/present staff are jewish. Yiannopolous and Shapiro for example. Not that surprising.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: wsippel on July 09, 2017, 06:13:03 PM
Quote from: etiolate on July 07, 2017, 06:27:58 PM
Quote from: brawndolicious on July 07, 2017, 06:14:00 PM
Quote from: etiolate on July 07, 2017, 05:07:08 PM
Apparently german antifa are beating journalists up at g20.

Why would they do that?

Story so far: A German journalist took a picture of one journalist, with other journalists around that journalist and called it a picture of Identitarians and Fascists. They sent this pic to ANTIFA and ANTIFA hunted them down.

Obviously they weren't fascists but that's not important to ANTIFA.

That "German journalist", Sören Kohlhuber, is a well known far-left nutjob. That clown actually blogged about the incident, not only doubling down but blaming the other side to have outed him. Which is kinda ironic considering he put his name on the pics himself, because extreme leftists obviously think copyright is only bad if somebody else owns it. Went as expected, with his followers promising to "deal with the situation if he wants".

That said, the journalists who were attacked certainly are questionable. But that doesn't excuse a manhunt or that asshat lying about him starting said manhunt.

EDIT: The newspaper he used to write for just fired him because of this incident.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on July 12, 2017, 03:50:38 AM
Dude how many times are you going to edit your post :lol

I always think there's some sweet update on crazy french politics or Brexit or something :stahp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on July 13, 2017, 08:05:12 AM
Khan hard at work on fixing London's important issues.

Transport for London scraps 'ladies and gentlemen' from Tube tannoy announcements in gender-neutral move (http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/transport-for-london-scraps-ladies-and-gentlemen-from-tannoy-announcements-in-genderneutral-move-a3586336.html)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on July 14, 2017, 05:59:46 AM
14th of July : Trumpo Droppo in Paris

The PR spin is charm offensive ! with Macron being incredibly agreeable -even on the Paris accord, Macron is, to paraphrase, saying Trump is entitled to respect his campaign promises even if he disagrees- to Trump and the US President latchening on to liberalism as the bonding feature with Macron (Something along the lines of "Like me, Macron is a champion for deregulation and less bureaucracy") and being in a good enough mood to drop cryptic useless hints about "something possibly happening on the Paris accords" and making a positive tweet.

The most consequential bit is probably that Macron confirmed that France is no longer against Bachar el-Assad having a seat at the table of any negociation. Otherwise on counterterrorism, he's in lock with the US administration on Irak and Syria (where some French forces are engaged, 4 artillery pieces nearby Mossoul among other), maybe to get the US to write a couple checks for the Sahel task force.

All in all, Macron is a true French president : trying to ingratiate himself with the Twitter in Chief while Merkel is giving cold shoulder to the US on principled ground. He's ready to invite African potentates or El-Assad !  :doge

They're now watching the traditional parade with much theater of familiarity yet again. If I am to believe the radio, Trump is only the second US President to attend the parade and the first one as an exclusive guest (H.W. Bush was there alongside numerous other heads of state for the 1789 parade celebrating the 200 years of the Revolution). The Some French infantry regiments has the HK416 rifle, which is the new standard weapon for Armed Forces. Another sign that interoperability with NATO forces is deepening (the French made 40 years old design FAMAS was famously particular with its ammo). Oh and the Army bands will play a Daft Punk track : Very Cool !

However there's some controversy within the military : as I told earlier, we "discovered" that there was 8 billions unaccounted for in the last budget and so all ministers have been asked to find cuts as it is paramount for Macron to respect the European rule of 3% of max deficit. Defence has been told they must cut 850m which apparently sent the Chief of Staff Général Pierre de Villiers into rage "I'm not going to get fucked by Bercy [Minister of Economy]" (Pierre de Villiers was supposed to step down because of age limit, but accepted to stay if he could oversee the budget rise). President Macron admonished him yesterday in a reception in the Minister of Defence "I am your chief, I do not need anyone of any commentary to keep the engagements I took before the citizens and the armies.". To sweeten the deal, Macron promise next year will see a rise and his overall goal is to hit the 2% of GDP objective. It's fairly difficult to comment on those issues, the public budget is insanely complex, the military one moreso.

We're sending back the Human Cheeto this afternoon while Macron goes to Nice to assist to a vigil for the victims of last year attack then the local military parade, alongside former Presidents Sarkozy and Hollande.
Regarding the Nice truck attack, the french magazine Paris-Match (basically a combination of the photojournalism of Life but with more gossip of the rich and powerful) was at the center of a controversy for publishing captures from the CCTV security feeds (which are supposedly in evidence lockers...). Associations of victims deposited an urgent request to have the issue called back. It is fairly rare judges rule favorably on those (last occurence was in 2009 when a rag magazine had on its cover a picture of a young man of Jewish faith tied up and at gunpoint (he was kidnapped then tortured and executed). The court rejected the demand but ordered on no further reprint / digital exploitation of the captures that were obtained illegally.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: zepblackstar on July 14, 2017, 07:50:11 PM
 :rejoice :rejoice :rejoice

Macron is the True God Emperor

http://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-jupiter-model-unlikely-to-stand-test-of-time-leadership-parliamentary-majority/

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The French head of state has retreated into the Élysée Palace, ordered his aides and ministers into media silence, and tightened presidential communication to the few calibrated messages he thinks opportune. Power, he thinks, is best exercised when wrapped in a cloud of mystery.

This is the “Jupiterian” concept his team developed in the last few months of the presidential campaign to illustrate his vision of the presidency. Jupiter, of course, is the supreme god of Roman mythology, god of the sky, thunder and lightning.

Applied to Macron’s actual presidency, this means former friends and crucial campaign aides have been shunted aside, direct access to the president is restricted to a handful of young advisers, and Macron’s mobile phone seems to have gone silent.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on July 15, 2017, 06:26:16 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on July 14, 2017, 05:59:46 AM
Oh and the Army bands will play a Daft Punk track : Very Cool !

I mean, that was kinda badass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKDxlorf6p4
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: benjipwns on July 15, 2017, 11:54:34 PM
Been a while since I checked in on the global election scene, what with us having actual posters from the areas posting about it and all, thought my offhand inquiries (occasionally even through people I know to get some hot local hubbub) would be silly but it looks like we're going to finally be coming down the stretch of the crazy year we've had of global elections.

Kenya may delay its Presidential election from August to December because they're apparently looking for funds to be able to pull off a nationwide presidential and legislative election and that would move them into the next fiscal year, so there may still be time for Obama to enter after missing the earlier primary dates. Otherwise he'll have to wait until 2022, which he might be doing anyway to avoid running against an incumbent and to give him time to renounce his fraudulent U.S. citizenship.

Congo (the smaller one), Bermuda and East Timor all hold Parliamentary elections this week. I've not heard the usual negatives for Congo which will be their first under the new constitutional which hopefully means decent things. Last I read the opposition is not uniformally boycotting but instead suggesting individual candidates and parties decide. These will be the first East Timor elections without UN Troops monitoring due to their successful ones in 2012.

September has three "big ones" among the West with Norway, New Zealand and Germany back-to-back-to-back. And then right after Germany, Iraqi Kurdistan holds its independence straw poll. (Russia also has all its "state" and region elections for the U.S. to not interfere with that month.)

Then that's kinda it for what's been a pretty exciting year of electoral politics globally. Austria and the Czechs do theirs in mid-October and Chile will elect a President in November but for some reason I'm assuming those and the Argentine legislative elections will look similar to Germany for whatever reason.

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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: zepblackstar on July 16, 2017, 12:32:42 AM
 :o :o :o



http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-defence-idUSKBN1A00TE?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=596ae97104d3015759945827&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

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PARIS (Reuters) - French President Emmanuel Macron said his defense chief has no choice but to agree with what he says, a weekly newspaper reported on Sunday, after his top general criticized spending cuts to this year's budget.

"If something opposes the military chief of staff and the president, the military chief of staff goes," Macron, who as president is also the commander-in-chief of the armed forces, told Le Journal du Dimanche (JDD).

Macron said on Thursday that he would not tolerate public dissent from the military after General Pierre de Villiers reportedly told a parliament committee he would not let the government "fuck with" him on spending cuts.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on July 17, 2017, 02:38:50 AM
"India's Modi urges states to curb violence by cow protection groups"
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-india-politics-religion-idUKKBN1A10IP

The decree was a huge problem for cattle owners, as selling cows to non Hindus is the only acceptable way to dispose of them when they grow too old to produce milk. People were stuck in taking care of them until they die of old age.

Plus, as mentioned in the article, dangerous to the meat industry which is one of the economic staples for on-board.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on July 17, 2017, 05:11:45 AM
Quote from: Raist on July 15, 2017, 06:26:16 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on July 14, 2017, 05:59:46 AM
Oh and the Army bands will play a Daft Punk track : Very Cool !

I mean, that was kinda badass.

Yeah it was good, all in all. I'm a vinegar pisser at heart.

Was listening to some radio show yesterday and must say I'm in tune with the guy that said that Macron already look like a bit of a clusterfuck in the actual implementation of his agenda : Prime Minister saying tax cuts would wait next year, then a few days later the whole thing being walked back to be done soon (also the fact that there was little thought put into compensating local authorities for the loss revenue). Macron promising on the campaign trail that the Defence budget will be protected, then asking 850m of cuts for next year.

Speaking of, according to a La Croix reporter (IIRC), lots of high officers didn't like at all Macron going out of his way to humble the Chief of Staff. Apparently the comments that displeased the President were stated in a closed session before the National Assembly, a place where a General should be allowed to speak his mind on the matter of budget allocation. Macron is really making an unnecessary show of reminding everyone who's boss.

It really feels like a watered down monarchy. We'll see if his majority grow some spine of its own during the mandate but I'm not too hopeful.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on July 17, 2017, 05:19:59 AM
I think Macron is a bit like an excited puppy at the moment. He went from literally no name to president in a year. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Admittedly it doesn't really matter all that much to me, I left France years ago with no real intention to go back.

One thing that makes me go :kobeyuck though is the constant use of "motivational" posters. Close-up pictures with self-quotes. I'm like, really breh? Although this might just be his PR staff going full idol.

The defense thing is a clusterfuck, but to be fair that massive deficit thing popped up after he was elected, so he's in a bit of a pickle now. I understand where he's coming from with his line on De Villiers, but yeah, that could have certainly done with a bit more diplomacy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: VomKriege on July 17, 2017, 05:35:43 AM
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I think Macron is a bit like an excited puppy.

That's an excellent image  :lol and I agree he is high on himself. Hollande's mandate was a bit of a mess but I miss not having a blowhard as President.
His supporters are a bit scary as well. Then again it's France, I'm sure they'll turn sour & mellow soon enough.

I sound super bitter on him, but really the liberal & patriot part in me is hopeful he'll shake some things up a bit and that we'll be in a better place in 5 years. But the fawning is obnoxious and not conclusive to good work.

Should also point that Macron went on the record for Le Journal du Dimanche that he was hopeful he convinced Trump on the necessity of the Paris accord (notably by explaining the link between climate change and terorrism).  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
Post by: Raist on July 17, 2017, 06:13:01 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on July 17, 2017, 05:35:43 AM

Should also point that Macron went on the record for Le Journal du Dimanche that he was hopeful he convinced Trump on the necessity of the Paris accord (notably by explaining the link between climate change and terorrism).  :doge

That sounds really dumb. But also genius, in the context of talking to Trump.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: Raist on July 18, 2017, 06:28:03 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40628909

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People in the UK will have to prove they are 18 before being allowed to access pornography websites from next year, the government is to announce.

Websites will be legally required to install age verification controls by April 2018 as part of a move to make the internet safer for children.

Users may be asked to provide credit card details, as gambling websites do.

Companies breaking the rules set out in the Digital Economy Act face being blocked by their internet provider.


Like, providing CC details is going to result in anything other than increased theft :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: VomKriege on July 18, 2017, 10:17:31 AM
http://www.france24.com/en/20170718-547-boys-were-abused-german-catholic-choir-school-investigator

MUNICH (GERMANY) (AFP) -

At least 547 boys at a German Catholic choir school suffered sexual or physical abuse in what victims have likened to "prison, hell or a concentration camp", said an investigator releasing a final report Tuesday on one of the country's worst such scandals. (...) He placed part of the blame for the situation on the school's former choir master Georg Ratzinger, the elder brother of former pope Benedict XVI.

As head of the choir from 1964 to 1994, Georg Ratzinger could be "blamed for looking the other way and failing to intervene" on the physical violence, said Weber, who added there was no evidence Ratzinger knew of the sexual violence.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: Rufus on July 18, 2017, 11:14:31 AM
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He said that 49 alleged perpetrators had been identified, but that they were not expected to face criminal charges as the alleged crimes took place too long ago.

The known victims are now expected to receive 20,000 euros ($23,000) each in compensation.

The diocese apologised in a statement and said that "we all made mistakes and we have learnt a lot".
I'm sure they have.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: Nabbis on July 18, 2017, 12:03:22 PM
Quote from: Rufus on July 18, 2017, 11:14:31 AM
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He said that 49 alleged perpetrators had been identified, but that they were not expected to face criminal charges as the alleged crimes took place too long ago.

The known victims are now expected to receive 20,000 euros ($23,000) each in compensation.

The diocese apologised in a statement and said that "we all made mistakes and we have learnt a lot".
I'm sure they have.

I don't think they have. Centuries of practicing dogma centered around protecting the church from scandals and they still manage to fuck it up. Never mind not fucking kids, they can't even cover it up.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: Samson Manhug on July 19, 2017, 08:37:07 AM
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PARIS (Reuters) - France's armed forces chief resigned on Wednesday in a dispute with Emmanuel Macron over defense budget cuts, an early test of the newly elected president's mettle and the tough presidential style he is cultivating.

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Macron quickly went public with a rebuke, saying: "I have made commitments. I am your boss."

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-politics-defence-idUSKBN1A40KR

Nothing says leadership like reminding people you are their boss. So much for 2% by 2022.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: VomKriege on July 19, 2017, 09:58:15 AM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on July 19, 2017, 08:37:07 AM
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PARIS (Reuters) - France's armed forces chief resigned on Wednesday in a dispute with Emmanuel Macron over defense budget cuts, an early test of the newly elected president's mettle and the tough presidential style he is cultivating.

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Macron quickly went public with a rebuke, saying: "I have made commitments. I am your boss."

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-politics-defence-idUSKBN1A40KR

Nothing says leadership like reminding people you are their boss. So much for 2% by 2022.

Macron already pushed back the commitment, IIRC ? 2024 or so.
Yes, most of the opposition people in the media noted that we were already off track anyway. It's the first time since 1958 that the Chief of Staff resigns. Honestly Macron went apeshit in public for little reason here for what was, originally, a crude remark in front of the Defence Committee of the Assembly (not a public session) that was understandable : Ministry of Defence is apparently out of the blue asked to shoulder 20% of the effort when barely a few weeks earlier it was all about increasing it.

To be accurate : the Ministry is expected to pay operational costs this year when those were taken from another source before, which means that much less credit for renewing equipment. French Armed Forces are already doing much more than planned (in part because of the Sentinelle operation, the army patrols in France instituted after the 2015 attacks. It was supposed to last a month, it's been 18...) and procurement has been an issue for a couple of decades now.

That was the last camel straw for De Villiers, who was part of many a reform to keep costs down over the years.
The mood among brass is pretty somber, with a lot of officers not understanding what the President is here.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: VomKriege on July 20, 2017, 12:30:32 PM
President Macron was in Istres air base today (near Marseilles), to perform some more cuddling-therapy to French Armed Forces. He basically was on repeat but on a slighty more diplomatic note. He promised yet again that the Defence budget will increase next year to get on track of 2% of the GDP by 2025... in fact he said it would be the only one to raise in 2018, which was by far the most momentous bit of info (get fucked schools !) :doge .

Platitudes are nice but they will not probably mend the weariness. The French Armed Forces are waiting for those budget promises to come true to ease off. So we'll see next year...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: VomKriege on July 22, 2017, 05:10:48 PM
To note, the investigation on the abuse of "Europarliament assistants" as party employees have also extended to Mélenchon.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: zepblackstar on July 23, 2017, 12:46:38 PM
The plebs going at the god emperor king will learn

http://www.france24.com/en/20170723-popularity-tumbles-frances-macron-poll

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France's youngest-ever president, who has sought to project an image of authority since taking office in May, made clear during the row with the military boss that he would brook no insubordination as commander-in-chief.

The leftist Liberation newspaper said Macron's "little authoritarian fit" could be a sign he was drunk on power and said it was time for him "to grow up a bit".
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: Raist on July 24, 2017, 01:39:39 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40572948

::)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: VomKriege on July 24, 2017, 06:23:43 PM
Weekus horribilis for Macron  :P
His deputies at the Assembly have started slighty raising their voices & some malcontents in his party are fighting the new statute (as a new movement it was freeform until now) and claiming the affiliation numbers are fraudulent (people counted multiple times). There's been the whole stuff with the army that was mentioned and more over the government announced they would like to decrease the Aide Pour le Logement (APL which is basically "Welfare for low income tenants", a sum they receive to pay rent and which can be sent directly to the landlord. It maxes out at under 300 euros IANM) by 5 euros per month to save a few handful of millions. The sum might seem benign but APL is a major help to many -millions- students and retirees so it's a touchy subject. Some agree it has to be reformed but they're going for the most unpopular method and in the most weak-limped way. Things got worse when the government tried to justified itself by saying this cut was decided under the former administration but never acted upon, which was promptly denied by the former Secretary of State for Housing -It's unclear to me where the truth lies here-.

Macron is sort of fumbling his state of grace, the policies so far have been muddled and confusing, like when the Prime Minister announced in front of the National Assembly that the cuts on the tax for tenants were postponed to a later year only for the message to backpedal just a few days later that it was back on track to start now. I suspect the omnipresent PR starts to get grating as well.

Anyway he lost 10 points in the latest favorability poll and he is now slighty below Hollande at the same point in their mandates.

There's also the neverending struggle of a bankrupt car parts subcontractor that have lingered in the media for several months now : long story short, the employees have rigged their factory with makeshift explosives and are blocking a nearby site of car manufacturer Renault (one of their major clients). The court keeps pushing back the decision, as there's only one company lined to salvage it and it ask for massive guarantees from Renault and PSA Peugeot-Citroën. It's only a relatively small number of jobs (260 or so, there's much announcements of downsizing by bigger companies since then) but the Minister of Economy has gone down to meet them yet the situation hasn't been solved even partially. Probably doesn't project the image of a strong decisive public actor in the labor market.

Also, french anti-vaxxers say they will file a class-action against four labs. Probably a reaction and media blitz after 11 vaccines have been made mandatory for kids. Anti-vaxxing is starting to gain more traction over here and while most parents can be convinced, it's apparently a huge time-sink for doctors to debunk all the shit they heard and made them anxious.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: Raist on July 26, 2017, 03:28:26 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-40715595

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Iranian state television presenter Azadeh Namdari has faced accusations of hypocrisy on social media after a video emerged showing her drinking beer and not wearing her hijab while on holiday in Switzerland.

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This time wearing a hijab, she explained she was sitting with family members and "maharem" - close relatives among whom a woman does not need to wear a hijab - in a park. She said her scarf fell suddenly and the video was taken at that instant by an unknown person.

She gave no explanation about drinking beer in the video.

:dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: VomKriege on July 28, 2017, 06:23:18 PM
Macron is what ? What follows will shock you !

So the French government decided to use their preemption privilege on the last day to do so in order to nationalize  :ussrcry the Saint-Nazaire naval yard. I mentioned the yard a couple of time, formerly bought by now bankrupted South Korean STX. President Hollande's administration passed a deal with Fincantieri, an Italian shipbuilder (controlled by the Italian state) so they would buy back STX shares for 54% of the capital. But concerns about jobs, Fincantieri syphoning R&D and orders to their Italian yards, the strategic value of the largest site in Europe (though they mostly do civilian boats) and nested Chinese interests in Italy pushed the new government to recant on the earlier deal and try to impose a 50/50% distribution between the French state and Italian shareholders. Rome refused so nationalization has been triggered. It's only supposed to be temporary but you know how those things have a way of sticking.

Italians are not happy about this, especially since Hollande somewhat begged them to jump in...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: zepblackstar on August 06, 2017, 12:09:10 PM
Damn plebs, how dare you!

god emperor macron will crush you!

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/APFN_EU_FRANCE_MACRONS_FADING_STAR?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-08-06-06-04-07

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France's Ifop polling agency put it bluntly: "Apart from Jacques Chirac in July 1995, a newly elected president has never seen his popularity rate falling as quickly during the summer after the election."

His declining approval is striking given that Macron was being credited two months ago with giving France a boost of much-needed confidence after years of security fears and economic stagnation. Increasingly, he instead is portrayed as power-hungry and inexperienced.

The French media have started calling Macron "Jupiter," a reference to the mythological king of the Roman gods and what is perceived as the president's superior attitude after he upended France's political landscape and shot from relative obscurity to the nation's top post at age 39.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: VomKriege on August 07, 2017, 03:41:26 AM
Quote from: Dufus on August 06, 2017, 12:28:24 PM
Macron :snoop

I guess this means Merkel is the leader of the EU now

Only now ?

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Actually Macron is doing a lot more to win German favors with an aggressive push to respect Maastricht commitments. Of course not the most popular thing at home.
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: fizzel on August 09, 2017, 03:25:15 PM
Another day, another gang of greasy wogs raping schoolkids on airstrip one. Same pattern as well, drugs (their "community" is dealing the shit), Alcohol (corner shops) and Taxis for ferrying the girls around.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: zepblackstar on August 14, 2017, 09:11:04 PM
 :brazilcry :brazilcry :brazilcry

https://www.yahoo.com/news/french-falling-love-macron-100-days-103309763.html
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Paris (AFP) - Emmanuel Macron, the 39-year-old former investment banker who was catapulted to the French presidency in May, faces widespread disillusionment as he prepares to mark his first 100 days in office.

The man shown walking on water on the cover of The Economist magazine after his startling rise has seen his approval ratings nosedive, with only 36 percent of respondents giving him the thumbs up in one recent poll.

The French are "falling out of love" with Macron, the right-leaning daily Le Figaro headlined Sunday.

No French president has seen such a steep drop in popularity so early in his rule since Jacques Chirac in 1995.

French don't deserve god emperor Macron :'(
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 14, 2017, 10:27:07 PM
why are people being disillusioned?  other than them being French I mean.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: benjipwns on August 15, 2017, 07:41:55 PM
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has since come under fire for his labour reform programme, budget and public spending cuts as well as a plan to create an official First Lady position for his 64-year-old wife Brigitte.

France's youngest ever president is especially out of favour with civil servants after vowing to put a brake on their salary increases.

Macron "must come down to earth and assume the political cost of his decisions," leading pollster Jerome Fourquet told AFP.

Proposed defence cuts -- part of a plan to trim 4.5 billion euros ($5.3 billion) to bring France's budget deficit within EU limits -- led to a public row last month with the head of the French armed forces, General Pierre de Villiers.
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Macron has fulfilled a key campaign promise, winning passage of legislation to clean up politics following a series of scandals, and tough new anti-terror measures are in the pipeline.

But prominent right-wing politician Eric Woerth scoffed that "nothing difficult has been done yet".
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The young president will come back from summer holidays to face protests against his labour reforms, with unions calling for strikes and marches while the radical left France Unbowed party plans a "people's rally".

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Ovie  yesterday
This man has deep psychological issues, first off he was molested and sexually abused as a young child by his current wife and her ex husband, when became of legal age his wife divorced her husband and married Macron. This is sick and anyone with half a functioning moral brain can see nothing but problems from that point on out.

SwervedriverSwervedriver  yesterday
Expected outcome as Macron is the pro globalist Rothschild's choice since day one when they made it so that Marine Le Pen got blanked from any financing re loans in a Rothschild controlled banks in France.

They and their complicit media tricked the populace of the Republic.....again.

HelenHelen   yesterday
The worst is yet to come for voting for this loser. Le Pen should have been the president, the idiocy of the French people will cost them dearly.

Echo   yesterday
When the Global Deceit is this BIG, saying told so you translates to: TOO F'N LATE NOW! The left is always so surprised when their fantasies get exposed and they finally see their tiny emperor with no clothes to cover the inflated ego.

Welcome to the Apocalypse doused by inflammatory labels of the fake elites on the left and now ignited by the parroting goats of those same leftist demonic deceivers.

This is not hyperbole. You were warned. You ignored. You now will pay.

Dumb sheep didn't realize there is only one nature to the wolf. You either get eaten standing beside him, or you get chased down and eaten. The wolf sees only food.

Nom-nom time.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: VomKriege on August 16, 2017, 03:37:10 AM
Also the novelty wore off fast. The whole Jupiter stuff probably fed up quite a few people a couple of weeks in.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: Raist on August 16, 2017, 06:21:14 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on August 15, 2017, 07:41:55 PM

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Ovie  yesterday
This man has deep psychological issues, first off he was molested and sexually abused as a young child by his current wife and her ex husband, when became of legal age his wife divorced her husband and married Macron. This is sick and anyone with half a functioning moral brain can see nothing but problems from that point on out.

SwervedriverSwervedriver  yesterday
Expected outcome as Macron is the pro globalist Rothschild's choice since day one when they made it so that Marine Le Pen got blanked from any financing re loans in a Rothschild controlled banks in France.

They and their complicit media tricked the populace of the Republic.....again.

HelenHelen   yesterday
The worst is yet to come for voting for this loser. Le Pen should have been the president, the idiocy of the French people will cost them dearly.

Echo   yesterday
When the Global Deceit is this BIG, saying told so you translates to: TOO F'N LATE NOW! The left is always so surprised when their fantasies get exposed and they finally see their tiny emperor with no clothes to cover the inflated ego.

Welcome to the Apocalypse doused by inflammatory labels of the fake elites on the left and now ignited by the parroting goats of those same leftist demonic deceivers.

This is not hyperbole. You were warned. You ignored. You now will pay.

Dumb sheep didn't realize there is only one nature to the wolf. You either get eaten standing beside him, or you get chased down and eaten. The wolf sees only food.

Nom-nom time.


Mélenchon stans are always entertaining.

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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: benjipwns on August 16, 2017, 07:13:10 AM
those comments might not be the best examples as they have fairly standard English so i assume they're native speakers, but there's ones in the comments that are ever so slightly off in the various "tells" that they're likely from non-native speakers and i've seen this elsewhere post-French-election and even in German (being an American (and banned from NeoGAF.com -ed) the only other language i can read) where they all use metaphorical language like that last guy and in the same way with similar imagery, i just find it funny because it's new (post-Gamergate really...no, really it was on Gamergate articles i first started seeing it) and it's so relentlessly copied to where it's been backported even both into other groups and other languages, and there must be some origin point i'm unfamiliar with, though i never did read the redpill stuff maybe it's from that

some might note it's also similar to someone else we might be familiar with...no names please, talking behind his back is rude
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: benjipwns on August 24, 2017, 08:04:46 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/24/emmanuel-macron-has-spent-26000-makeup-first-three-months-french/
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In potentially damaging news for the 39-year old centrist leader, whose popularity is waning, Le Point reported that his personal makeup artist - referred to only as Natacha M - put in two bills, one for €10,000 and another for €16,000.

The Elysee Palace defended the high fee saying: “We called in a contracter as a matter of urgency”.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: VomKriege on August 25, 2017, 04:31:33 AM
Wow he's hitting those split times at record speed. Hollande had exactly the same with a hair stylist but "only" in year four or five, I believe.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 25, 2017, 01:21:00 PM
So...is Le Pen going to be the French PM before the end of the year?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: FStop7 on August 25, 2017, 04:24:38 PM
Macaron really is le petit Sarkozy
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: zepblackstar on August 25, 2017, 10:38:37 PM
 :girlaff :crowdlaff

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIE8iNWXsAAVCue.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: VomKriege on August 26, 2017, 01:48:26 PM
Canada GAF was pushing the line it only ever meant actual refugees and not economic migrants (it's the same with Macron). I guess it's true and fair but it really amounts to say you're adressing only the tiniest part of the issue (considering it's a massive gray area between the two and potential "proper" refugees aren't always treated with kid's gloves either). Isn't there millions of political refugees fleeing the war in Syria anyway ? Put up or shut up. Lebanon is doing it (not that they have a choice) and they bleed for it.

It's hard to shake the impression he tried to score brownie points as long as there was no effect to deal with.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: zepblackstar on August 26, 2017, 02:06:38 PM
This is just the Haitian migrants, Latin America migrants are the next group already moving to Canada because they figure Canada will never actually deport them.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: benjipwns on August 26, 2017, 07:35:06 PM
the last part of that Treudeau post is basically a tautology
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 26, 2017, 10:20:25 PM
Except for Libertarian paradise Somalia, a country of no laws. :bow2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: benjipwns on August 26, 2017, 10:26:20 PM
Somali society has operated under the Xeer system for millennia no matter who claimed a state of which Somalia has had an internationally recognized central government for all but nine of the last 70 years :bolo

You really stepped in it this time Molotov. I'll expect your resignation letter on my desk tomorrow if only to allow you to save face in front of the rest of The Bore.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: jackbenimble on August 27, 2017, 08:34:54 AM
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Majority of people in France now dissatisfied with Macron: poll

PARIS (Reuters) - Most French voters are now dissatisfied with Emmanuel Macron’s performance, a poll showed on Sunday, a dramatic decline for a president who basked in a landslide election victory less than four months ago.

The poll, conducted by Ifop for newspaper Le Journal du Dimanche (JDD), showed Macron’s “dissatisfaction rating” rising to 57 percent, from 43 percent in July.

Forty percent expressed satisfaction with the centrist leader - down 14 points from July.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-politics-idUSKCN1B60RG?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=59a2b8f204d3012d78c9d79e&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

Whomst could have predicted this
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: Raist on August 29, 2017, 07:09:48 PM
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The British prime minister, who is hungry for new trade agreements to show the benefits of Brexit, is expected to discuss a UK-Japan version of the deal Tokyo agreed in principle with the EU last month when she meets her Japanese counterpart Shinzo Abe.

But Japanese officials say their priority is completing the deal with Brussels, while negotiations with Britain will be difficult until there is clarity about its future relationship with the EU.

“I don’t think there will be substantial progress,” said one Japanese trade official. “We haven’t finished [free trade] negotiations with the EU, just agreed at the political level, and many issues still remain.”

The official said the UK side was being “quite aggressive” in pushing for a commitment on a future trade deal with the world’s fourth-largest economy. Mrs May will argue that such an arrangement would be mutually beneficial.

“We were big supporters of the EU/Japan trade deal and were engaged in negotiating it,” said one of Mrs May’s allies. “It would make sense for that deal to be replicated for us.”


 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: Raist on August 31, 2017, 10:44:19 AM
(https://abload.de/img/21192704_175059734498wkscb.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 31, 2017, 12:17:22 PM
Quote from: jackbenimble on August 27, 2017, 08:34:54 AM
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Majority of people in France now dissatisfied with Macron: poll

PARIS (Reuters) - Most French voters are now dissatisfied with Emmanuel Macron’s performance, a poll showed on Sunday, a dramatic decline for a president who basked in a landslide election victory less than four months ago.

The poll, conducted by Ifop for newspaper Le Journal du Dimanche (JDD), showed Macron’s “dissatisfaction rating” rising to 57 percent, from 43 percent in July.

Forty percent expressed satisfaction with the centrist leader - down 14 points from July.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-politics-idUSKCN1B60RG?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=59a2b8f204d3012d78c9d79e&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

Whomst could have predicted this

What's driving the dis-satisfaction?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 31, 2017, 09:14:38 PM
Quote from: Raist on August 31, 2017, 10:44:19 AM
(https://abload.de/img/21192704_175059734498wkscb.jpg)

so much to like in this picture
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: benjipwns on September 01, 2017, 11:32:08 PM
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A North Korean court sentenced two south Korean journalists and their publishers to death for “seriously insulting the dignity” of the country by reviewing and interviewing the British authors of a book about life in the North, its state media said on Thursday.
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The book, based on interviews with North Korean defectors, diplomats and traders, depicts a growing market economy where ordinary North Koreans enjoy access to south Korea music and TV dramas, fashion and smuggled Chinese and American films. Pearson wrote the book, published in 2015, before joining Reuters.

The Korean-language edition, published earlier this month with the title translated as “Capitalist Republic of Korea”, was reviewed by south Korea’s Dong-A Ilbo and Chosun Ilbo newspapers.

A spokesman for the North’s Central Court said in a statement carried by the country’s official KCNA news agency that the book “viciously slandered the reality of the DPRK”, the initials for North Korea’s official name of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea. The book painted life in the country as increasingly capitalistic where money can buy power and influence, the spokesman said.

The south Korean journalists who reviewed the book “committed a hideous crime of seriously insulting the dignity of the DPRK with the use of dishonest contents” carried by “North Korea Confidential”, the court spokesman said.

The Central Court has ordered the execution of the journalists, Son Hyo-rim of the Dong-A Ilbo and Yang Ji-ho of the Chosun Ilbo, and the publishers of the newspapers. It also demanded the south Korean [puppet] government investigate their crimes and punish them, the state media said.

The court statement did not make any mention of punishment for the book’s authors.
Good to see someone speaking out against these conservative puppet reptile writers (https://kcnawatch.co/newstream/1504276288-130508186/anti-dprk-campaign-of-s-korean-puppet-reptile-writers-will-be-foiled-journalists-union-of-korea/) and their constant stream of imperialist lies.

Wouldn't be surprised if the puppet government gives these criminals medals instead of convicting them for their crimes as demanded.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: curly on September 03, 2017, 09:01:29 PM
Quote from: jackbenimble on August 27, 2017, 08:34:54 AM
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Majority of people in France now dissatisfied with Macron: poll

PARIS (Reuters) - Most French voters are now dissatisfied with Emmanuel Macron’s performance, a poll showed on Sunday, a dramatic decline for a president who basked in a landslide election victory less than four months ago.

The poll, conducted by Ifop for newspaper Le Journal du Dimanche (JDD), showed Macron’s “dissatisfaction rating” rising to 57 percent, from 43 percent in July.

Forty percent expressed satisfaction with the centrist leader - down 14 points from July.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-politics-idUSKCN1B60RG?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=59a2b8f204d3012d78c9d79e&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

Whomst could have predicted this

Who could have predicted that a supposed lib savior who put a charismatic face on the same old politics would end up being a disappointment
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: chronovore on September 03, 2017, 11:11:08 PM
https://www.bbc.com/pidgin

BBC officially reporting in Nigerian pidgin.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: Momo on September 03, 2017, 11:54:17 PM
I think the Norks have pushed the world a little too far over the last few days, I don't see a peaceful resolution to this at all :/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: chronovore on September 04, 2017, 12:08:02 AM
Quote from: Momo on September 03, 2017, 11:54:17 PM
I think the Norks have pushed the world a little too far over the last few days, I don't see a peaceful resolution to this at all :/

I can't believe that "a seat at the grown-up table" is worth the kind of bullshit brinksmanship they've been pulling. There's part of me that hopes this will mean a short, sharp shove, and a unified, democratic Korea at the end of it. But there's no way they're going down without tremendous violence.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: benjipwns on September 04, 2017, 01:03:28 AM
Continued bribes are far less costly than a war only maniacs want. Any war would be quite short, especially if it had China's full blessing (not to mention Japan and Russia's), but it would likely cost tens of millions of Korean lives alone unless the dead man's switch can be deactivated somehow.

Not to mention that the entirely peaceful re-unification of Germany had tremendous costs that weren't anticipated even with one side bending over backwards to absorb them and those parts weren't as far apart developmentally as the divided Koreas are.

The main point of the six-party talks with North Korea have always been to attempt to manipulate its decision making by letting it play the powers against each other in superficial ways. The best example being when we got "mad" at South Korea for holding its own talks with North Korea without our prior approval...something everybody in the region had wanted for years but only by the play-acting was North Korea finally roped in and agreed to things. That China, Japan and Russia also got to let off a bit of steam with each other in the process was the gravy. The five powers are far more in alignment than we pretend because otherwise we don't get that sixth party to do anything but pull back and shoot at stuff. (We essentially did the same thing, in two stages and with different parties, to certain factions within Iran much to the consternation of Johm McCain and neoconservatives.)

Of course, it often comes at odd times when the "world" finally decides to stop the easy route and just break it. Often for no apparent reason. Both Saddam and Ghaddafi twice found out how quickly promises aren't worth anything. How many lives has Basair al-Assad had since taking office? There are factions within North Korea that have to know that China's limited interest in the continued existence of it as a state are only out of China's short term interests which they would gladly waive with proper American assurances.

The main problem is that those assurances can't be made without tipping the hand that kills tens of millions of Koreans.

edit: what North Korea's been incredibly good at and the reason they even probably still exist as they do, is being flat out amazing at continuing to maintain a single facade for decades on end

iirc, there was some hope when the Soviet archives were opened that there'd be a strategy guide in there, but nope, they held the same single face to their benefactors, all the basics are useless, defectors almost never bring out useful information, etc.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: VomKriege on September 04, 2017, 03:38:17 AM
Quote from: curly on September 03, 2017, 09:01:29 PM
Quote from: jackbenimble on August 27, 2017, 08:34:54 AM
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Majority of people in France now dissatisfied with Macron: poll

PARIS (Reuters) - Most French voters are now dissatisfied with Emmanuel Macron’s performance, a poll showed on Sunday, a dramatic decline for a president who basked in a landslide election victory less than four months ago.

The poll, conducted by Ifop for newspaper Le Journal du Dimanche (JDD), showed Macron’s “dissatisfaction rating” rising to 57 percent, from 43 percent in July.

Forty percent expressed satisfaction with the centrist leader - down 14 points from July.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-politics-idUSKCN1B60RG?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=59a2b8f204d3012d78c9d79e&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

Whomst could have predicted this

Who could have predicted that a supposed lib savior who put a charismatic face on the same old politics would end up being a disappointment

Yeah pretty much.
His popularity was really quite shallow to begin with.
His PR was too heavy handed all while his government discourse was confusing and muddied (with prominent promises pushed back than reinstated earlier). The only thing clear is that spending cuts (some he didn't campaigned on) are now while the good stuff is "soonish".

Also his Assembly majority had a rough time entering the mold and following the orderly traditions. Some MP apparently assaulted to the point if hospitalization a former Socialist cadre in a café last week, for instance

The facade that he had a master plan already cracked quite a bit.

Also labor reform is now starting and it's not exactly the avenue most conductive to being popular short term.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 04, 2017, 03:45:09 AM
I don't get what the fuss is with North Korea, US could launch a strike and the country would be gone in seconds while they are sleeping. They wouldn't never know what hit them. Just poof.

Yeah it's horrible but fuck it. We would have some fallout to deal with but better then a rogue state with nukes making demands.

Better for Japan and South Korea too this way.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: benjipwns on September 04, 2017, 04:03:31 AM
Quote from: Premium Lager on September 04, 2017, 03:45:09 AM
I don't get what the fuss is with North Korea, US could launch a strike and the country would be gone in seconds while they are sleeping. They wouldn't never know what hit them. Just poof.

Yeah it's horrible but fuck it. We would have some fallout to deal with but better then a rogue state with nukes making demands.
Well, one other than the state that just pre-emptively wiped another sovereign state off the map, killed tens of millions of people directly and who knows how many indirectly from the literal fallout of whatever munitions are used to accomplish the "poof" of 45,000+ square miles.

One that intervenes in and makes demands of other states constantly. And holds a Security Council veto.

Other than that one.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 04, 2017, 04:26:53 AM
You really don't need to nuke the entire country just any bigger hot spots or military targets. A few dozen smaller nukes should do the trick. I doubt they will be launching ICBM from Pyong fucking nang.

If you have jungle rot in a limb you better cut it off. North Korea is jungle rot.

Better then them finally launching a nuke at Tokyo to make a point or something, whole of North Korea has a 25 million pop and we wont even kill them all.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: Momo on September 04, 2017, 04:35:29 AM
The second nukes are used (again) in a non-retaliatory way all bets are off.  Why wouldn't Russia just drop a friendly nuke on a neighbor to soften them up? Why would other nations then not pursue nukes of their own to get to MAD status post haste?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 04, 2017, 04:37:30 AM
This is really a scenario to prevent people joining the nuclear club. It wouldn't be "all bets are off" more like "gloves are off now" so the next country (and there is no other North Korea) will listen to reason.

The justification is world peace.

Also Russia really doesn't give a shit what the US does like that, if they wanted to drop a nuke they would.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: benjipwns on September 04, 2017, 04:48:04 AM
Quote from: Premium Lager on September 04, 2017, 04:26:53 AM
You really don't need to nuke the entire country just any bigger hot spots or military targets. A few dozen smaller nukes should do the trick. I doubt they will be launching ICBM from Pyong fucking nang.

If you have jungle rot in a limb you better cut it off. North Korea is jungle rot.

Better then them finally launching a nuke at Tokyo to make a point or something, whole of North Korea has a 25 million pop and we wont even kill them all.
Taking out the ability of North Korea to launch a missile with a nuke on it is not something you do with a nuclear weapon. Israel didn't nuke Osirak for what should be blatantly obvious reasons.

That wouldn't even be the first target of any military strike on North Korea, the first target is taking out all of the weapons that will massacre Seoul if they aren't destroyed first. And the American military isn't convinced it can do that last I knew. And with a reckless nuclear attack potentially in the equation?

Deploying nukes as a first strike here or ever should not be desired. Using them to wipe a sovereign state, even one with a monstrous government like North Korea, off the map is barbaric. India and Pakistan have avoided nuclear war ffs.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 04, 2017, 04:54:13 AM
Yes India and Pakistan are in a stalemate. Of course they wont be launching nukes and destroy each other.

North Korea is in no position to win or do real damage except maybe shell Seoul in the event of first strike, if the individual units evn would shell once it sinks in the country is done and the regime is gone.

This is the smaller price to pay then to let them develop even further as to where they can actually pin point nuke what they want!

Time of appeasement is over imho, it doesn't work with these people.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: benjipwns on September 04, 2017, 05:07:41 AM
Yeah, these types of situations are real easy to make decisions about when you write off tens of millions of lives as a "small price to pay." Considering saving those exact lives is kinda the whole fucking point of the diplomatic dance we've been doing for decades.

Nobody thinks North Korea can "win", now or long term, but you're proposing starting a mass slaughter on a peninsula with 75 million people using significant numbers of nuclear weapons as a preemptive first strike. A line that's never been crossed in human history. Because at some point in the future North Korea may be able to cross that line first before being obliterated instead of during.

This is not to mention the literal fallout that China and Japan will enjoy. And the mass refuge crisis that will swamp the region as well.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 04, 2017, 05:12:50 AM
You know we should just keep talking to them I'm sure they will come around soon now that they have WMD and delivery capabilities within reach.

Reasonable lad that Kim.

If we just give him what he wants he will back down and hand over his toys. I suggest giving South Korea first as a sign of goodwill. Next Japan. Maybe some parts of China.

We're getting further and further away from a peaceful solution every hour they have to improve their arsenal.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: curly on September 04, 2017, 05:15:27 AM
are you trolling or are you really this fucking stupid

you're dumb even for an arsenal supporter
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 04, 2017, 05:19:00 AM
Clearly you have a better solution.

Please let me hear how you suggest to have Kim fall in line.

More sanctions? Less sanctions?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: curly on September 04, 2017, 05:29:12 AM
my solution is we nuke your dumb ass
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: benjipwns on September 04, 2017, 05:31:27 AM
If the North Korean government wishes to stay in power, and rather more importantly in my view, alive then it will make rational decisions none of which include starting a war it will immediately lose and wind up with its leadership decimated. (Though this is of course no guarantee as to individual lives of those who cross the leadership.) As such we can engage in fairly reasonable diplomacy with them that prevents the murder of millions of Koreans as the minimum cost. None of which implies handing them territory they couldn't control considering they have larger problems. You know, like was done with Iran.

If the North Korean government is not a rational actor and/or does not value its power enough to not immediately blow its nuclear wad on a foreign city then you'll get your mass slaughter and war anyway.

So there's no point in the United States starting it with the largest scale first attack in human history almost assuredly against the wishes of the largest nuclear power in the region.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 04, 2017, 05:39:46 AM
Iran was never at the stage where Korea is though.

Anyway what do I know, I'm just commenting from a perspective of growing up sandwiched between Germany and Russia, losing 25% of the population of our country 80 years ago, having my grandma survive horrible shit in Auschwitz and other camps, having my whole city leveled to the ground etc. This by a dictator who was given too much leeway because surely he would never ever ever but he did and so here we are still cleaning up the debris almost a century later.

Maybe its a different mentality, a survivors mentality, its different in the west where there is the lets just keep the status quo mentality. This is also why Americans often fail to understand the Russian mind set, who also share this fatalistic viewpoint with us.



Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: benjipwns on September 04, 2017, 05:40:56 AM
Quote from: curly on September 04, 2017, 05:29:12 AM
my solution is we nuke your dumb ass
I cannot endorse this action either, even if Lager is becoming a rogue state threatening to nuke others.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: benjipwns on September 04, 2017, 05:51:05 AM
Quote from: Premium Lager on September 04, 2017, 05:39:46 AM
Anyway what do I know, I'm just commenting from a perspective of growing up sandwiched between Germany and Russia, losing 25% of the population of our country 80 years ago, having my grandma survive horrible shit in Auschwitz and other camps, having my whole city leveled to the ground etc. Maybe its a different mentality, a survivors mentality, its different in the west where there is the lets just keep the status quo mentality.

This by a dictator who was given too much leeway because surely he would never ever ever but he did and so here we are still cleaning up the debris almost a century later.
I mean you know why there's a North and South Korea right? They already did this whole part too, only kept one half (and for a while the other half too) as an authoritarian shit hole. And the whole point is trying to avoid their reunification coming after leveling the two largest cities and who knows what else to the ground. Again.

You're just proposing some kind of nuclear holocaust to kick start the slaughter out of impatience or whatever.

The whole point of obtaining a nuke is to try and regain some leverage because of how weak they are. Except it doesn't change anything in the larger scheme because it's still a suicidal threat.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: Raist on September 04, 2017, 06:16:34 AM
Just send in Snake. It's not that hard.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: FatalT on September 04, 2017, 06:21:23 AM
Quote from: Raist on September 04, 2017, 06:16:34 AM
Just send in Snake. It's not that hard.

Pliskin or Solid?

Also LOL at curly's "response" to Lager's question.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: Yeti on September 04, 2017, 10:04:00 PM
Quote from: FatalT on September 04, 2017, 06:21:23 AM
Quote from: Raist on September 04, 2017, 06:16:34 AM
Just send in Snake. It's not that hard.

Pliskin or Solid?

Also LOL at curly's "response" to Lager's question.

Both. And all the James Bonds, just to be sure.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - God Emperor Macron
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 06, 2017, 09:01:40 AM
Meanwhile Polish PIS regime is contemplating officialy asking Germany for aroun 800-1000 billion euro war damage payment.

Hard to say how I feel about this, on one hand it makes sense of course.

On the other hand the Peoples Republic of Poland waived reparation claims. So if we assume continuity of government... and if we say it doesn't count cause commies then we can also say Nazi government doesn't count.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 08, 2017, 08:35:33 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/09/07/jagmeet-singh-ndp-leadership-hopeful-masterfully-handles-heckler-at-brampton-event_a_23200426/

lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on September 08, 2017, 05:41:18 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/08/uk-response-to-hurricane-irma-was-swift-says-no-10

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The criticism spread to the Conservative ranks when Lord Naseby, a Conservative peer, demanded ministers explain why they had failed to do more to protect “hundreds of thousands of British citizens potentially in peril”.

“Given that hurricanes are not new in the Caribbean and always happen at this time of the year, why it is there was no standby facility to deal with this sort of emergency given that we see that France and Holland had prepared and as a result were able to react much more speedily than we were able to do?

Brits slow as fuck to reply to any sort of weather-related issue. News at 11, Lord Naseby.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on September 10, 2017, 02:56:28 AM
time for a little of my ignorant foreign election round-up

I'll have to look into it, but Norway votes Monday and practically overnight they went from a guaranteed left majority to re-election of the current right majority in the polling. I don't know if it was a debate or what but Labour imploded, they've dropped over ten points in a week. The Centre Party which was the other hope for a left majority also has fallen. And there's been no major shift to another party really, it's that they seemingly re-allocated across the spectrum, like the Left Party got a bump from Labour's collapse but it was only a couple points.

Basically every poll since August started has shown what was looking like a 5-10 point left victory is now showing a 5-10 point incumbent right majority victory. Just to take one polling firm, Kantar, back near the middle of May had a 53-42 win for the left, end of June they showed a 50-43 win for the left, but then suddenly in Mid August they showed 45-45 tie, now they're showing a 48-50/43-44 win for the right incumbents in their rolling poll.

Even in the last election where the right-coalition won, Labour still got the top vote (as they have in every election since 1927) and they won by four points over the Conservatives. Polls these last few weeks have shown the parties basically tied, though a reading of the polls as a two point Labour lead is probably more accurate. Still, back in July they were up 32-21 in a poll that now shows them tied 25-25. I am definitely going to have to look into what's been going on.

At the same time Norwegian Labour is collapsing, New Zealand Labour has had a corresponding jump from the 25-ish range they were stuck in to 43% and they're now the favored coalition majority.

They'll be overlooked because Germany votes the next day. But I don't think Martin Schulz (who I still find weird) is going to become Chancellor.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on September 12, 2017, 02:04:36 AM
Norway government held on to be re-elected with 95% reporting. Even with all four parties losing at least one seat. Labour with its worst overall performance since 2001 and before that 1924. Red Party, the once Maoist splinter of the Communist Party, won its first seat due to its sexy leader. (I assume.) First time a self-declared Communist party will have a seat since 1957.

Onto NZ and Deustchsland.

Singapore was scheduled to have a Presidential election but it turns out that only one candidate was found to be eligible. Weird.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on September 14, 2017, 05:58:01 PM
Macron is hitting those home runs, it's crazy.

Subsidies to help tenants might be cut way deeper than 5 euros, but we must not fear as public companies managing social housing are expected to cut rents accordingly, something they just learnt. They're not thrilled. No measures to try to curb private landlords -where half of those subsidies go- practices are being considered.

The government also cut a ton of "helped contracts". Now granted those subsidized contracts for small jobs are a band aid, but just cutting them on a whim is bad, especially as it impacts schools (among other administrations and associations) as classes open for the new year. Local politicians are furious (up to right wing mayors) about the disruption on top of facing revenue cuts with the downsizing of the tenant's tax and credits from the state. Because of this Macron is expected to face his first electoral hard times in the upcoming Senate renewal : Senators are elected indirectly by local office holders...

Macron also moaned about "cynics and slackers" blocking labor reform in France. It was later clarified that the slackers were in fact the previous administrations for slacking on reforms. Didn't convince a lot of people.

There's also word of the government trying to negotiate the end of the special pension system for train drivers at the national railways SNCF (an "infamous" case being bandied about at each reform) in exchange for the state buying some of the SNCF debt (mostly contracted because of infrastructure investment for new high speed line). It's a bizarre deal idea and train drivers don't really understand why they would have to pay for their employer's unrelated policies (mostly shaped by political agendas).

Oh and rebuilding St Martin and St Bart after Irma is also gonna cost hundreds of millions. There's some controversy on how first aid and rescue efforts were conducted.

All in all the government really seems flippant and haphazard. They want to cut something, anything. And now. The labor reform was negotiated beforehand with unions but most of the rest are surprises that were never on the table and that they're trying to jam through.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on September 18, 2017, 11:56:55 AM
:dead

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJ_bnWJWkAAuxyL.jpg)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Brehvolution on September 18, 2017, 02:11:28 PM
Such big talk for people who end up doing nothing.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on September 21, 2017, 01:44:36 PM
Shit getting real?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-banks-china/chinas-central-bank-tells-banks-to-stop-doing-business-with-north-korea-sources-idUSKCN1BW1DL?il=0
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Trent Dole on September 22, 2017, 01:47:02 AM
Very.
https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/status/910987902947086336
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 22, 2017, 04:39:05 AM
Its time

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/Nuclear_artillery_test_Grable_Event_-_Part_of_Operation_Upshot-Knothole.jpg/1280px-Nuclear_artillery_test_Grable_Event_-_Part_of_Operation_Upshot-Knothole.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on September 22, 2017, 05:19:45 AM
And with Trump lambasting the Iran deal, he's also weakening his diplomatic options to get out of this NK crisis.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 22, 2017, 05:23:04 AM
Time to stock up food and fuel boys
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: chronovore on September 22, 2017, 08:03:34 AM
https://twitter.com/LibyaLiberty/status/910859878209425408
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on September 22, 2017, 12:01:33 PM
Quote from: chronovore on September 22, 2017, 08:03:34 AM
https://twitter.com/LibyaLiberty/status/910859878209425408

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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on September 22, 2017, 03:53:56 PM
So a small update on French politics :

- Though Macron had a lot of missteps, fact is that on the labor reform he played the union for fools. The CFDT (in short, Christian Democrat tradition) was already on board as the most reform inclined union (they're big on "more democracy inside companies"). Macron sort of snobbed them and mollified the leader of FO by having the most secret meetings with him. As a result, only the communist CGT is calling for protests. A memo written by all 3 major unions has leaked with all sorts of "red lines" they agreed upon and most of them have been crossed. The leader of FO had a rough meeting with his council and the CFDT accepted very watered down baby steps for "work democracy" (smoothed a bit by he fact they're apparently the biggest union in the private sector since last week). Macron even reintroduced some of the most controversial bits of the reform attempted last year, like having a ceiling to the indemnity a labor court can award an employee over his firing. The truth sadly is that there's a lot of weariness and people are tired of protesting every 6 months. But people are pissed too and the unions are never seemed so useless and out of touch as of now.

- By the way, it's not a reform (because our wise president stated that France cannot be reformed) but a "transformation" or a "revolution" according to the majority.

- So 10 days ago the big discussion was whether the 12 September protest (jointly managed by the CGT and Mélenchon's party of la France Insoumise) was a flop or a hit. It drew a similar crowd to 2016 protest and considering only one major union (against 3) are calling for it this time around, it was well above average.
Alas, as you can guess, opposition is a mess : CGT can't suffer Mélenchon anymore, Communists can't suffer Mélenchon anymore (he made a big show of his absence at the Fęte of the Humanité, the communist yearly festival -top billing Iggy Pop-, the 1st Secretary had a few choice words for that who created a furor) so Mélenchon is having his solo protest tomorrow. Former Socialist candidate for the Presidency Benoit Hamon (now an independent) still can suffer Mélenchon and will be there Saturday. Much to the delight of Mélenchon that couldn't help himself, however, to remind that if Hamon had forfeited his bid, Mélenchon would have been Président de la République  ::).

- The Socialist party is selling its headquarter building in the Solférino street (which they bought in 1981), close to the National Assembly, to save their cash flow. They should move into Paris suburbs.

- Right wing LR is a mess, with dissident conventions all over the place. It seems the next party head will be Laurent Wauquiez, yet another living dead "Sarkoboy" so expect more explicit dogwhistles to the far right soon.

- Florian Philippot just left the far right Front National. I probably talked about him quickly before but in short : he's young (born 1981), his parents worked for publcic schools, he graduated from some of the best schools (ENA, HEC, Dauphine) directly into the nobility of career public servants, he drifted from supporting former Socialist / Left independent "sovereignist" Chevénement (and even, according to wiki, attending to Mélenchon's meeting in Paris in 2005) to joining the far right party and Marine Le Pen's inner circle in 2011. He was a prominent figure of the "FN cleaned of its black legend" but with the thorough discredit suffered by Marine Le Pen in the campaign (people, including her supporters, are still speaking to this day of her horrible performance at the debate), she is returning to appeal openly to her party's base of racists she pretended not to see.
Philippot bailed with a handful of office holders and a few others to fund hiw own micro-party. The FN survived bigger splits in the past and might well be in a strong position come the next major national election but they're headed for a couple of rough years.

TLDR : Macron is a megalomaniac, Mélenchon is a dick, Socialists are clinically dead, the conservatives and far right are experiencing molecular division.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: zepblackstar on September 24, 2017, 05:42:37 PM
Merkel got back into office but her party dropped 8 points, her partner SPD dropped to its lowest point post World War II and the far right AfD came into the government for the first time with 87 seats. The SPD has broken away from the grand coalition to be the official opposition party in part cause of their poor showing and not to have the AfD be the official opposition party.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/sep/24/german-elections-2017-angela-merkel-cdu-spd-afd-live-updates

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14:26
Turnout was up on the previous election, public broadcaster ZDF reports: from 71.5% to 76.5%. And here’s the broadcaster’s latest projection for the number of seats each party will hold in the Bundestag:

CDU/CSU: 218

SPD: 138

Left: 60

Greens: 60

FDP: 68

AfD: 87

https://twitter.com/tagesschau/status/912005320398004229
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on September 24, 2017, 06:12:48 PM
Apparently not the best results for Macron or any Eurozone reform...
Wasn't the AfD supposedly in disarray ? Incredible how the same mistake is made again and again.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Rufus on September 24, 2017, 07:40:17 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on September 24, 2017, 06:12:48 PM
Wasn't the AfD supposedly in disarray ? Incredible how the same mistake is made again and again.
Leadership shuffles, questionable personell and all minor scandals obviously didn't matter enough. The refugee crisis and the most recent terror attacks are still fresh in people's memory. The perceived failure of the established parties to deal with these is probably what accounts for most of their gains.

Keeping their newfound support is going to be much harder. Now they actually have to deliver solutions, which is where I hope their dysfunction at the core will come to bear. Merkel has already announced that they will take a very lose look at the causes, but I don't know if her government undermining them in the usual manner (appropriating their positions and policies) is going to work this time.

At least we're avoiding another great coalition. Maybe this time the SPD wakes up to how much lasting damage Schröder caused.
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They won't.
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on September 24, 2017, 07:56:23 PM
Yeah that old brand of Socialism is pretty much dead under this form and there's no reviving it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on September 25, 2017, 01:30:04 AM
German polling was mostly stagnant because like most of Yurop only a few pollsters continue polling outside the declared election dates, so when SPD collapsed in the Spring there were tons of misallocated voters. They got lucky because the AfD surge started right as everyone else hopped back into polling.

Either YouGov or somebody else said months ago that the polls they were putting out essentially made no logical sense unless there was a AfD surge (or even larger FDP one) hiding in the "Others", because the SPD collapse didn't boost either Linke or Greens but also didn't change anyone else's rank. Statistically we should have seen one of the groups leapfrog the others even if temporarily, that was both AfD and FDP and it showed up late in the polls to where I think YouGov said a CDU-FDP with AfD support was the most likely projected coalition last week. (They do them with every set of parties even ones that realistically would never actually form a coalition.)

That SPD collapse at the start of the year was something else in terms of polling and nobody in the English media was paying any attention to it. (My major issue with Nate Silver and co. is how little they pay attention to non-English elections they aren't paid to cover. Not Nate but one of the others who bombed 2016 hard said once there's no info to be gained from them, but there is if your model cares about tracking small trends across multiple elections. Which is what the U.S. holds during its "national" elections...)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on September 25, 2017, 01:41:56 AM
New Zealand had a last minute "reversal to the right" as well, but I think it actually was people voting for Labour which took out the smaller parties they voted for in recent elections. It's the fewest parties in Parliament since 1996 and the Greens lost half their seats and the fifth party, ACT, held onto their one seat because he's elected personally.

People going from Greens to Labour almost assuredly shuffled seven of the 13 seats Labour picked up, and the two Maori seats are almost most likely the same situation. None of the other parties had any significant change in their popular vote. So the "left gained" 4 seats. Two weeks ago they thought they were going to hit +15 and a guaranteed majority with Labour equal with National for the first time since 2005.

Instead, NZ First is kingmaker. And Labour needs the Greens too.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on September 25, 2017, 05:06:25 AM
Less important than the Bundestag elections, France had a renewal of (half) her senate yesterday. As I said a number of times, Senators are chosen by the other elected office holders (from mayors to the National Assembly). Senate is very much the minor half of our bicameral system, opposition can obstruct through it but not to the point of gridlock. The government is probably going to try to reach out to centrist senators on a case by case basis and is probably going to have to tilt right another notch on its bills. It happens that the center-right group of senators has both in its midst the Modem ones (allied to Macron) and the UDI ones (Closer to traditional right wing opposition LR) so they may be amenable, at least on certain types of reforms.

As expected, it's the first major wrench in the Macronist narrative, they won 15 seats (out of 170 up yesterday) but had 18 incumbents facing polls, so they're even regressing to an estimated total of 24. But the public doesn't care about the Senate results much. I mean Europarliament elections even bgets more in the whole post-polling night and horserace narrative. Probably because the senate vote is indirect. The "POOR OPTICS" for Macron should be limited and not too catastrophic.

The traditional right wing parties gain seats (+30 or +40), traditional left wing is declining but in less dramatic fashion than in the latest Legislative election. Communists lost seats but have enough senators to form a group. Mélenchon's FI didn't run, both because their program calls for ending the Senate and for lack of any solid electoral support among grand electors. Far right FN keeps its 2 seats (no new senators).

The new full senatorial composition (348 seats total) should look roughly like this (some individual and independents may join one group or another) :
- Right wing LR / right wing independents : 170
- Socialist PS / Center left PRG / left wing independents : 96
- Center-right UDI-Modem : 41
- Macron's LREM : 24
- Communists PCF : 10
- Far right FN : 2
- Others : 4

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on September 25, 2017, 05:26:29 AM
Also listening to my weekly liberal milkshake duck debate with a decent intellectual bar had me :trigger
The presenter of nearly 20 years was not retained / sort of fired (it's public radio) over some fuss in the kitchen which was never made clear to the audience (started with one of the regular guests being booted by the direction because he was participating in Macron's campaign and held office IIRC). The format is mostly the same but the tone has lost some edge and spontaneity. Anyway that's not the issue. One of the new guests is former Foreign Affairs Minister Hubert Védrine (a fixture of Socialist presdent Mitterrand's reign, by all accounts an excellnt diplomat and intelligent guy, also implicated in nasty shit WRT to Rwanda) and for 3 weeks straight he's been shilling for Macron's labor reform in the most obnoxious way repeating that opposing the reform is being PRO MASSIVE UNEMPLOYMENT, WAKE UP SHEEPLE. Supporting the reform is a valid opinion to have but GTFO with this shit.

EDIT : Apparently the former host & founder decided to keep doing his show in podcast form n(before a live audience) and outside of any radio network. Some of his guests followed (including the FAZeitung Paris office chief) while other opted to keep appearing in the show aired by France Culture. Also collected 48k Euros so far via a crowdfunding campaign.

https://itunes.apple.com/fr/podcast/0-lesprit-public-en-peau-de-caste/id1279728744?i=1000391905846&mt=2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: wsippel on September 25, 2017, 07:31:47 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on September 24, 2017, 06:12:48 PM
Apparently not the best results for Macron or any Eurozone reform...
Wasn't the AfD supposedly in disarray ? Incredible how the same mistake is made again and again.

Yeah, the AfD was in disarray, but so were the CDU and SPD...

AfD got voters from almost political parties except for the FDP and the Green party. And that isn't really surprising. While I dislike the "left/ right" categorization, I'll use it for simplicity's sake: AfD voters didn't move to the right, the CDU moved to the left under Merkel and left a vacuum. The AfD promised to fill that vacuum, so the largest part of AfD voters are former CDU/CSU who kept their positions and feel no longer represented by the CDU. Workers are traditionally conservative (contrary to popular belief), so the SPD lost quite a few voters to the AfD as well. And the former Left voters, especially in Eastern Germany, aren't actually far left, and never were. They were really just protest voters. And the AfD is a protest party that's much closer to what they actually want, so percentage wise, the Left had the biggest losses in favor of the AfD.

It's also worth noting that most AfD voters disagree with their more extreme elements and would like to see them removed, but that's unlikely to happen (especially after Petry announced her departure a few hours ago). In fact, a majority of AfD voters would have preferred to vote for the CSU, which is closer to what the CDU used to be, but couldn't because the party has no presence outside of Bavaria. So it's obvious people don't really want the AfD, they want the CDU - just not Merkel's CDU.

While this election has far reaching consequences, I think the AfD itself is pretty much irrelevant. They are just a catalyst. At least for now, depending on what lessons the CDU in particular learned. The one thing they should have learned is that they need to get rid of Merkel ASAP, but I don't see that happening as Merkel removed almost all internal opposition.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: zepblackstar on September 25, 2017, 07:09:08 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/25/europe/german-election-result-afd-walkout/index.html

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The leadership of the hardline Alternative for Germany party was in disarray Monday, a day after its historic breakthrough in the German elections delivered a stinging blow to Chancellor Angela Merkel's authority.

At a press conference in Berlin that was intended to burnish the AfD's success, its chairwoman Frauke Petry walked out. She declared that she would not sit with the party in the Bundestag and said it had to address dissent within its own ranks.

Petry wanted to moderate the party saying they couldn't win or govern with their hard right stance.. The results said differently though and realizing she had zero leverage within the party, she bolted vowing to make a less hard right party...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on September 25, 2017, 09:24:40 PM
"fine i'll start my own welfare state but not for immigrants party...with blackwhitejack...and hookers!"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: wsippel on September 26, 2017, 07:30:44 AM
Quote from: zepblackstar on September 25, 2017, 07:09:08 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/25/europe/german-election-result-afd-walkout/index.html

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The leadership of the hardline Alternative for Germany party was in disarray Monday, a day after its historic breakthrough in the German elections delivered a stinging blow to Chancellor Angela Merkel's authority.

At a press conference in Berlin that was intended to burnish the AfD's success, its chairwoman Frauke Petry walked out. She declared that she would not sit with the party in the Bundestag and said it had to address dissent within its own ranks.

Petry wanted to moderate the party saying they couldn't win or govern with their hard right stance.. The results said differently though and realizing she had zero leverage within the party, she bolted vowing to make a less hard right party...

That's a very creative interpretation. This had been planned quite some time ago, weeks or months prior to the election. Petry was pretty much the last moderate in the AfD leadership, and the rest of their leadership wanted her gone. She wouldn't have remained chairwoman, she had no leverage to begin with. And everybody knew they'd win big, but the party never had any plans to actually govern. Except for Petry, who knew that would never work with the current leadership. So she played along to get a seat for herself and some of her followers. It was a long con.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: agrajag on September 28, 2017, 07:18:23 PM
That's good. I've been of the opinion that iterative progress is the best long term strategy in the modern world. I'm glad this happened, and hoping more good changes come your way!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on October 01, 2017, 08:14:03 AM
Can't make this shit up :lol

https://twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/913380275043803136
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: zepblackstar on October 01, 2017, 10:06:47 AM
Spain could not have fucked up the  Referendum any worse short of bringing in tanks...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: FStop7 on October 01, 2017, 10:45:35 AM
Spain’s actions will be used to paint the EU as violent reactionaries hiding behind smiling faces.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on October 01, 2017, 07:06:36 PM
Quote from: Dufus on October 01, 2017, 10:35:25 AM
Do those Spaintards not realize the divisions will be worse if they do shit like attack the Catalan folks? Fucking embarrassing.

So many 'leaders' around the world right now fucking up so many basic things.

Meh. The whole "the divide will get worse" line seems pretty hollow when you're at the point a non-authorized, apparently unconstitutional referendum is being -somewhat hastily but I may be wrong- held and that the pro-independance leaders are drafting a bill to unilaterally secede 48 hours after the potential "yes" vote, which is a fairly likely scenario. I don't have a dog in this fight and it's not to condone Madrid's management but really what would you expect Spain to do otherwise ?

Quote from: FStop7 on October 01, 2017, 10:45:35 AM
Spain’s actions will be used to paint the EU as violent reactionaries hiding behind smiling faces.

Not sure I follow ? Regardless of the right of people to self-determine which indeed looms large in international parlance (though in practice is somewhat elusive), a country breaking up, especially one as major and important as Spain, is always rife with potential major issues.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Dennis on October 01, 2017, 07:10:09 PM
Can you blame Catalonia for wanting to split from Spain?

It is a much more economically sound part compared to the rest of a country which seems incapable of change.

It never fails to amaze me how backwards much of Southern Europe continues to be after decades and trillions of Euros. Fuckers, change and make an effort.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on October 01, 2017, 07:15:44 PM
Quote from: Dennis on October 01, 2017, 07:10:09 PM
Can you blame Catalonia for wanting to split from Spain.

It is a much more economically sound part compared to the rest of a country which seems incapable of change.

Fortune comes and goes. I hope Catalans, Flemish or Northen Italians motivated by that do realize it. This whole "economic angle" has never been flattering (it basically amounts to "Got mine, fuck u") and I also tend to think it's incredibly reductive of national aspirations. I'm sure (and I hope) the Catalans have a better case than that.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 01, 2017, 11:03:48 PM
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Catalan officials later said 90% of those who voted backed independence in Sunday's vote. The turnout was 42.3%.

Given the low turnout, I don't think there's any clean takeaway from these results. Could be that the other 58% mostly want independence, but stayed home because of all the violence and chaos. On the other hand, it's also likely that people who are against independence aren't as fervent in their beliefs and didn't want to put in the effort to get out and vote to maintain the status quo.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on October 01, 2017, 11:12:17 PM
The government of Catalonia reported 57% turnout.

Of course, the government of Spain has said for years now that it considers such a referendum itself to be illegal.

Though the Spanish Prime Minister himself seems to be of the opinion that no referendum was even held. Which I guess is one approach.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: curly on October 02, 2017, 03:21:54 AM
Quote from: Dennis on October 01, 2017, 07:10:09 PM
Can you blame Catalonia for wanting to split from Spain?

It is a much more economically sound part compared to the rest of a country which seems incapable of change.

It never fails to amaze me how backwards much of Southern Europe continues to be after decades and trillions of Euros. Fuckers, change and make an effort.

And after all that helpful austerity Northern Europe imposed on them, too. Ingrates.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on October 02, 2017, 07:06:48 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DK5NHAuXcAY_pjB.jpg)


May :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on October 03, 2017, 07:17:16 AM
thingsarelookinggood.gif

https://twitter.com/ChrisGiles_/status/913801918174121984


The collapse of Monarch might also be one of the first big Brexit disasters - although the airline was already shaky, so it's a bit more complicated than that.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: curly on October 04, 2017, 06:14:16 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/04/theresa-may-british-dream-cap-on-energy-bills-housing-tory-conference-speech (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/04/theresa-may-british-dream-cap-on-energy-bills-housing-tory-conference-speech)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE6vSOlNoQw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqLIm0HOvuQ

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/03/sirte-can-become-a-holiday-destination-if-it-clears-the-dead-bodies-says-johnson (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/03/sirte-can-become-a-holiday-destination-if-it-clears-the-dead-bodies-says-johnson)

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There’s a group of UK business people, wonderful guys who want to invest in Sirte, on the coast, near where Gaddafi was actually captured and executed as some of you may have seen. And they literally have a brilliant vision to turn Sirte, with the help of the municipality of Sirte, to turn it into the next Dubai. The only thing they’ve got to do is clear the dead bodies away and then they’ll be there.

The Tories :whew Fuckery in countries other than my own :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on October 05, 2017, 04:29:03 AM
Macron still working hard on endearing himself to the proletariat...

So a little bit of context : President Macron was on a visit in Corrčze (which stands in the center of France). The visit was formerly perturbed by a loud protest of GM&S employees : GM&S is an external supplier for autoparts working for Renault and PSA which has been in protacted bankruptcy for months now including the workers rigging thes factory with makeshift bombs and the courts finally settling on a buyer which will only keep half the jobs there.

Emmanuel Macron was speaking to the Elected Head of the Region who mentioned a nearby foundry had trouble finding the needed workforce. Which prompted the President to respond : "Instead of stirring shit up, some should maybe looks for jobs [at the foundry]. They may have the qualifications for it.". A line obviously aimed at the GM&S delegation that was standing a few couple dozen meters from him, cordoned by cops and didn't get to meet Macron despite a formal demand. Not an industrial expert, but I'm not sure sought out posts in French foundries (typically specialized craftsmanship) can just be filled willy nilly by a guy making auto parts.

Macron has already have a fairly impressive collection of similar blunders along the same lines of mixing vulgarity with contempt. You'd think someone would have pointed to him already.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on October 05, 2017, 02:58:12 PM
Quote from: curly on October 04, 2017, 06:14:16 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/04/theresa-may-british-dream-cap-on-energy-bills-housing-tory-conference-speech (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/04/theresa-may-british-dream-cap-on-energy-bills-housing-tory-conference-speech)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE6vSOlNoQw


(https://i.imgur.com/V0RufhA.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2017, 03:08:37 PM
Quote from: Raist on October 05, 2017, 02:58:12 PM
Quote from: curly on October 04, 2017, 06:14:16 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/04/theresa-may-british-dream-cap-on-energy-bills-housing-tory-conference-speech (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/04/theresa-may-british-dream-cap-on-energy-bills-housing-tory-conference-speech)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE6vSOlNoQw


(https://i.imgur.com/V0RufhA.jpg)

Was really hoping that the letters would fall off so that it spelled out "HE THICC".
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 05, 2017, 03:12:13 PM
Tha Orks Boyz (or Ryon)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: desert punk on October 05, 2017, 03:21:39 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on October 05, 2017, 04:29:03 AM
Macron still working hard on endearing himself to the proletariat...

So a little bit of context : President Macron was on a visit in Corrčze (which stands in the center of France). The visit was formerly perturbed by a loud protest of GM&S employees : GM&S is an external supplier for autoparts working for Renault and PSA which has been in protacted bankruptcy for months now including the workers rigging thes factory with makeshift bombs and the courts finally settling on a buyer which will only keep half the jobs there.

Emmanuel Macron was speaking to the Elected Head of the Region who mentioned a nearby foundry had trouble finding the needed workforce. Which prompted the President to respond : "Instead of stirring shit up, some should maybe looks for jobs [at the foundry]. They may have the qualifications for it.". A line obviously aimed at the GM&S delegation that was standing a few couple dozen meters from him, cordoned by cops and didn't get to meet Macron despite a formal demand. Not an industrial expert, but I'm not sure sought out posts in French foundries (typically specialized craftsmanship) can just be filled willy nilly by a guy making auto parts.

Macron has already have a fairly impressive collection of similar blunders along the same lines of mixing vulgarity with contempt. You'd think someone would have pointed to him already.

I can't really fathom that guy. I mean I get that he wants to separate himself from his clownish and bumbling predecessors but declaring himself God Emperor almost without any hint of irony, talking down to the unemployed and generally being as condescending as possible? These people will surely vote for Jupiter come next election, labor law reforms be damned lol

Although I can see how some middle class people and upwards would lap up phrases like "You lazy bum, just get another job. What's so wrong about shoveling shit anyway?"

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on October 05, 2017, 03:33:22 PM
Quote from: curly on October 04, 2017, 06:14:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE6vSOlNoQw
Quote from: Raist on October 05, 2017, 02:58:12 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/V0RufhA.jpg)
lol at not only having it on the podium but also framing the speech so they can put it on one tiny portion of the wall
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on October 05, 2017, 04:04:40 PM
I can't get over the irony of a sign about "building a country" falling apart within hours.


Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2017, 03:08:37 PM
Quote from: Raist on October 05, 2017, 02:58:12 PM
Quote from: curly on October 04, 2017, 06:14:16 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/04/theresa-may-british-dream-cap-on-energy-bills-housing-tory-conference-speech (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/04/theresa-may-british-dream-cap-on-energy-bills-housing-tory-conference-speech)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE6vSOlNoQw


(https://i.imgur.com/V0RufhA.jpg)

Was really hoping that the letters would fall off so that it spelled out "HE THICC".

Only one C breh.
"B A Cunt" could have happened tho.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on October 05, 2017, 04:39:11 PM
Quote from: desert_punk on October 05, 2017, 03:21:39 PM
I can't really fathom that guy. I mean I get that he wants to separate himself from his clownish and bumbling predecessors but declaring himself God Emperor almost without any hint of irony, talking down to the unemployed and generally being as condescending as possible? These people will surely vote for Jupiter come next election, labor law reforms be damned lol

Although I can see how some middle class people and upwards would lap up phrases like "You lazy bum, just get another job. What's so wrong about shoveling shit anyway?"

It's easy to believe it's premeditated with how controlled the PR is in general. But considering some of the earlier mistakes not playing up the lazy unemployed poor archetype (like his horrendous joke on boat people), I don't know...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: desert punk on October 05, 2017, 05:28:01 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on October 05, 2017, 04:39:11 PM
It's easy to believe it's premeditated with how controlled the PR is in general. But considering some of the earlier mistakes not playing up the lazy unemployed poor archetype (like his horrendous joke on boat people), I don't know...

I have a hard time believing that he would stoop to the level of lazy populism which is why his behavior in public baffles me so much. Maybe it's simply a case of thinly veiled arrogance and elitism but I don't want to presume too much. I still wish him the best in his endeavors.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on October 07, 2017, 07:14:29 AM
The Parquet National Financier (public ministry for financial crimes) is following suit on judges and is of the opinion that Former French President Sarkozy should go on trial for corruption.

Sarkozy had opened a mobile line under a pseudonym (lol) "Paul Bismuth" which justice tapped. Apparently Sarkozy promised a magistrate he would get him a post in Monaco in exchange for information on another ongoing investigation.

That's a fairly big deal if the courts act on it.

That's not the end of his problems as the Bigmalyon case (occult financing of his party) is pending.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: desert punk on October 07, 2017, 07:28:37 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on October 07, 2017, 07:14:29 AM
That's not the end of his problems as the Bigmalyon case (occult financing of his party) is pending.

 :rofl what is that about?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on October 07, 2017, 07:43:19 AM
Quote from: desert_punk on October 07, 2017, 07:28:37 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on October 07, 2017, 07:14:29 AM
That's not the end of his problems as the Bigmalyon case (occult financing of his party) is pending.

 :rofl what is that about?

Bygmalion was a company set up by someone close of Sarkozy's party and specialized in organizing events. They ended up being contracted quite a bit during Sarkozy's 2012 failed campaign for reelection (for meetings and such). Investigation uncovered a pattern of discrepancies in the payments, with bills issued for never performed duties. Writing from memory here so hazy on the details but the suspicion is, IIRC, funneling money from the party to the occult coffers of his campaign (as you imagine, campaign books are under tight scrutiny) via kickbacks.

And yeah the name of the company is the funniest thing about it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Rufus on October 07, 2017, 08:58:23 AM
I love your frenchisms, Vom. <3 I think Punk pictured something more literal there.

Our outgoing finance minister Schäuble has concrete experience with dodgy financing. :shh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: desert punk on October 07, 2017, 09:13:05 AM
Lol yeah "occult". I certainly imagined something similar to this:

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ea/44/b6/ea44b6a423ae3cbfb3902739087d85b6.jpg)

My French sadly doesn't amount to much :-\
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on October 07, 2017, 10:40:35 AM
The original meaning of "occult" (still used in french) is "secret/hidden". Nothing to do with witches and whatnot.

You still have that meaning in english when it's used as a verb (especially in astronomy).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: desert punk on October 07, 2017, 11:20:48 AM
Thanks! Yeah it dawned on me after reading VomKriege's reply. While I can't say the same for other languages, I don't think that anyone is using "occult" in German in any other context than the supernatural these days. But maybe I'm mistaken and too warped by pop culture to know it better.

Was just hoping that Sarkozy embroiled himself in some Eyes Wide Shut/Traumnovelle-kind of shenanigans at least :P
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on October 07, 2017, 11:32:42 AM
Oh. I guess English only use "shadow" as a synonym.
Mitterrand supposedly was seeing a medium. Or was just fucking her depending on who you talk to.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on October 07, 2017, 12:46:46 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on October 07, 2017, 11:32:42 AM
Oh. I guess English only use "shadow" as a synonym.
Mitterrand supposedly was seeing a medium. Or was just fucking her depending on who you talk to.

whynotboth.gif

Quote from: desert_punk on October 07, 2017, 11:20:48 AM
Thanks! Yeah it dawned on me after reading VomKriege's reply. While I can't say the same for other languages, I don't think that anyone is using "occult" in German in any other context than the supernatural these days. But maybe I'm mistaken and too warped by pop culture to know it better.

Was just hoping that Sarkozy embroiled himself in some Eyes Wide Shut/Traumnovelle-kind of shenanigans at least :P

Well I suppose that's where english got it from. Germanic language and all that.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: jorma on October 08, 2017, 04:51:58 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on October 07, 2017, 11:32:42 AM
Oh. I guess English only use "shadow" as a synonym.
Mitterrand supposedly was seeing a medium. Or was just fucking her depending on who you talk to.

I would expect a British politician to hide his lechery by pretending that his mistress is a medium.

I would expect a French politician to hide his superstitions by pretending that his medium is just another mistress.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Sman on October 08, 2017, 03:35:44 PM
Can't keep up with handle changes.

Is Vomkriege Karakand?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on October 08, 2017, 04:24:46 PM
Quote from: Sman on October 08, 2017, 03:35:44 PM
Can't keep up with handle changes.

Is Vomkriege Karakand?

Nah never changed my handle.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on October 08, 2017, 08:05:15 PM
Quote from: Sman on October 08, 2017, 03:35:44 PM
Can't keep up with handle changes.

Is Vomkriege Karakand?
no :fbm

but he's cool too :itagaki
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on October 09, 2017, 05:17:05 AM
Another important thing in light of the meager performance of Macron's party in the french Senate election : Macron is farther away than ideal of the 3/5 Parliament majority he needs for the planned Constitutional reform (reducing the number of MP, among other things) he wants for next year. The executive can still bypass this process by holding a referendum but it's apparently not the favorite option of the government, given the recent occurences in Europe.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: etiolate on October 09, 2017, 10:17:55 AM
https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/917390193883340806
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on October 09, 2017, 01:52:08 PM
How does the EU have anything to do with this :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: toku on October 09, 2017, 01:56:58 PM
were really about to see early 20th century level of fuckery in our lifetimes huh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Rufus on October 09, 2017, 04:10:27 PM
Nah.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: FStop7 on October 09, 2017, 04:45:40 PM
Quote from: Raist on October 09, 2017, 01:52:08 PM
How does the EU have anything to do with this :lol

It doesn't matter.  Like I said, it's going to be propagandized by anti-EU groups and used to paint the EU in a bad light regardless of the facts.  That's just the world we live in.

That aside, after seeing what the cops did to voters in Catalonia, I'm starting to think that the Catalans have a point about seceding.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: jorma on October 10, 2017, 09:38:21 AM
Quote from: Raist on October 09, 2017, 01:52:08 PM
How does the EU have anything to do with this :lol

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect EU to ask her member states to behave themselves. It's supposed to be a union to promote peace and prosperity in Europe, yet every time shit goes down they go sit on their hands.
Unless the shit that goes down is about money being owned of course.  :doge

I understand the critique, and i'm an ardent fan of this union of ours.

Hopefully it's all perception based on earlier behavior and EU leaders are putting mad pressure on Spain to solve this without bloodshed behind closed doors.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on October 10, 2017, 02:30:13 PM
Quote from: jorma on October 10, 2017, 09:38:21 AM
Quote from: Raist on October 09, 2017, 01:52:08 PM
How does the EU have anything to do with this :lol

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect EU to ask her member states to behave themselves. It's supposed to be a union to promote peace and prosperity in Europe, yet every time shit goes down they go sit on their hands.
Unless the shit that goes down is about money being owned of course.  :doge

I understand the critique, and i'm an ardent fan of this union of ours.

Hopefully it's all perception based on earlier behavior and EU leaders are putting mad pressure on Spain to solve this without bloodshed behind closed doors.

The problem is that when the EU "speaks" it's as a bloc, on behalf of all members countries. Since Spain is a member country, I'm not surprised that they didn't say anything. They're basically not neutral, by definition. It's not that they would necessarily defend Spain, but if they criticize what happened, then by association, so does Spain. If they take the side of Spain, then people will think "well of course they do".
IIRC the EU didn't comment either on Westminster refusing to give Scotland another referendum. These are purely and specifically national issues, and it's not the role of the EU to intervene.

I get the criticism targeted at heads of states by themselves not necessarily commenting (although again, it's not that easy), but I don't think the EU itself had any other choice than "no comment".
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on October 10, 2017, 02:49:39 PM
Wow the commentary on the Catalan crisis on French radio is bad. Some commenters saying Rajoy "won" less than 1 hour after the Catalan Region President made a (middling) statement. Commentary from Unionists and, more surprisingly, French politicians are super dismissive. I get that France is not super thrilled at the prospect of regionalism but come on... Separatism is now a decades old issue in some parts of Europe (Flemish since the 1980 at least) and just looking at it as some sort of petulant outburst best left ignored seems like a major mistake. At one point one, Scotland, Catalonia or another, will make a clear, majority backed declaration.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on October 11, 2017, 05:15:40 AM
Stupid drama of the week in France : Mélenchon decided to retreat from a position in a commission about the self determination referendum of New Caledonia (Island east of Australia) because it is presided by former Prime Minister Manuel Valls (formerly Socialist, now identified as an independent close to Macron's party). Mélenchon says it's because Valls has made "ethnicist" statements in the past and the two exhanged scathing tweets and shit. According to the Canard Enchainé, the heated exchanges were even less cordial on the benches of the Assembly. Mélenchon is reported to have said "I won't seat besides this Nazi. You're trash, a loser, a piece of shit !". Valls would have replied "You're completely insane ! Calm down !" and a third MP intervened by saying Mélenchon should stop his circus and that he was an asshole.  :doge

By the way : New Caledonians are not super thrilled at being used as a prop to some ego-spat in Paris

Oh yeah also : 200k or more public servants marched yesterday at the call of all their unions (an unitary call not achieved in close to a decade) to protest wages being frozen next year, the reintroduction of a measure to have the first day of a sick leave not being classified as such, increased taxation and general shortage of means.

Truck drivers were also on the war path last week ago but stepped down when the government basically caved in to their demands (the labor reform was gonna impact legal paths to some of their current bonuses).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on October 11, 2017, 05:41:29 AM
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Mélenchon is reported to have said "I won't seat besides this Nazi. You're trash, a loser, a piece of shit !"

So what's Mélenchon's GAF account?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on October 15, 2017, 05:37:03 AM
I just read about what France did regarding models and magazine covers and I think that's amazing. I wonder if such laws are constitutional at the state level in the US.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on October 15, 2017, 04:25:36 PM
Quote from: Spoiled Milk on October 15, 2017, 05:37:03 AM
I just read about what France did regarding models and magazine covers and I think that's amazing. I wonder if such laws are constitutional at the state level in the US.

To clarify : a 2016 law received its decrees (the executive signature to enact them) and models will have to present medical certificates and airbrushed magazine covers must now have a mention they are in fact modified pictures.

LVMH and Kering, the two rival giants in luxury (each owned by a separate French billionaire) have also agreed to a charter more restrictive than the law and which include stopping making fashion clothes in absurdly small sizes (a norm on fashion shows) and limiting the use of models younger than 16. Considering they own a ton of the most prominent fashion houses, it's a fairly big deal.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on October 15, 2017, 10:22:08 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOOO Iraqi troops descending on Kirkuk to take their oil back from the Kurds, here we go boys B)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on October 16, 2017, 05:21:05 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/10/15/britains-missing-billions-revised-figures-reveal-uk-490bn-poorer/

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Global banks and international bond strategists have been left stunned by revised ONS figures showing that Britain is Ł490bn poorer than had been ­assumed and no longer has any reserve of net foreign assets, depriving the country of its safety margin as Brexit talks reach a crucial juncture.

(https://i.imgur.com/iP42wHz.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on October 16, 2017, 04:30:16 PM
May reaching stage 3, it seems.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/16/thereas-may-to-appeal-to-emmanuel-macron-over-brexit-transition-period
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Brehvolution on October 16, 2017, 04:34:17 PM
Quote from: Raist on October 16, 2017, 05:21:05 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/10/15/britains-missing-billions-revised-figures-reveal-uk-490bn-poorer/

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Global banks and international bond strategists have been left stunned by revised ONS figures showing that Britain is Ł490bn poorer than had been ­assumed and no longer has any reserve of net foreign assets, depriving the country of its safety margin as Brexit talks reach a crucial juncture.

(https://i.imgur.com/iP42wHz.gif)

Lying liers lying.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Mandark on October 17, 2017, 01:03:00 AM
Quote from: Spoiled Milk on October 15, 2017, 10:22:08 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOOO Iraqi troops descending on Kirkuk to take their oil back from the Kurds, here we go boys B)
https://twitter.com/BrowneGareth/status/919924078269562880

oh dear
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on October 17, 2017, 04:23:41 AM
Posting just to acknowledge the terrible attack in Somalia.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: the freakin woz on October 17, 2017, 04:52:05 AM
Quote from: Mandark on October 17, 2017, 01:03:00 AM
Quote from: Spoiled Milk on October 15, 2017, 10:22:08 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOOO Iraqi troops descending on Kirkuk to take their oil back from the Kurds, here we go boys B)
https://twitter.com/BrowneGareth/status/919924078269562880

oh dear
puk despise the barzanis little fiefdom, not surprising
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on October 17, 2017, 05:54:26 AM
To continue on the Catalan crisis coverage in France, I was a bit disturbed to see levied -both in Charlie Hebdo and on a liberal centrist radio show to give you an idea of how "self evident" the idea seems to be all over the spectrum- the argument that independence claims were null and void because Catalans are not oppressed enough to qualify, which sounds even more weird in the mouths of people you'd expect in other cases to argue that victimhood isn't a competition. They do follow up with some observations that I don't disagree with in essence (that in some aspects the Catalan autonomist movement may be of convenience, selfishness in sharing riches and one sometimes marred by a sense of superiority) but it sounds really weird to me that some claims of self determination are discarded because somehow in the eyes of outside observers it doesn't reach a threshold of suffering or something ? I mean when a large part of a quantifiable entity don't feel they want to adhere any longer to a constitution or a larger collective, you can't just pout to make it go away.

I think I prefer the purely pragmatic and cold argument that fucking up the statu quo would be a nightmare for Catalonia, Spain and the EU possibly plunging everyone down a crisis no one can afford, regardless of how sympathetic you are to autonomist claims. At least this one isn't hypocritical.

I guess I would be a tad defensive and irrational too if we were speaking of a French region, so I don't fault Spanish commenters for using those lines of arguments (though the deafness of Madrid certainly seems to be an issue) but I'm non plussed by French ones towing those. I mean no one seems willing to even debate the idea that maybe smaller democratic units might be a solution to current perceived problems with the Western model which would be an interesting hypothetical to ponder about.
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Post by: VomKriege on October 17, 2017, 06:14:36 AM
A Malta journalist, known for participating in the Panama Papers, was murdered by a bomb hidden in her car

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/16/malta-car-bomb-kills-panama-papers-journalist
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on October 17, 2017, 06:29:11 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on October 17, 2017, 06:14:36 AM
A Malta journalist, known for participating in the Panama Papers, was murdered by a bomb hidden in her car

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/16/malta-car-bomb-kills-panama-papers-journalist

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article72215012.html

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Hillary Clinton recently blasted the hidden financial dealings exposed in the Panama Papers, but she and her husband have multiple connections with people who have used the besieged law firm Mossack Fonseca to establish offshore entities.


:thinking
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Post by: benjipwns on October 18, 2017, 01:22:52 AM
The Greens were wiped out of the Austrian legislature for the first time since 1983, they actually somehow did worse than they did that year. Lost all 24* seats.

But a split from the Greens group called the Peter Pilz List got eight* seats. His big idea appears to be that parties should only be crowd funded. And the "party" doesn't even have any kind of employees or anything.
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According to Peter Pilz, "there will be no party foundations in practice".

Apparently it's entire youth group left the Green party en masse before the elections too in dispute with leadership.

What probably makes this more interesting is that the Social Democrats did not gain a single seat from this. The Liberal party got one seat but that's more out of rounding than anything. The People's Party (CDU equivalent) gained 15 seats and the Freedom Party (anti-immigrant, anti-islam, anti-EU, etc. party that's common in Yurop) gained 11 seats.

There were all kinds of "satirical" or "anti-establishment" parties that ran, that like Peter Pilz's list didn't present party platforms, etc. but ran on more general ideas and how politics sucks.  The Communist Party added the word "Plus" to their name after allying with the Young Greens group, this shockingly did not work and they lost a fifth of their voters compared to 2013. And they got beat by the "My Vote Counts!" "joke" party.

Our slow depressing slog around Yurop continues later this week to the Czech Republic where ANO is projected to win a landslide. Which in their system means 25% of the vote and 35 seats short of a majority.

Also one of the parties renamed themselves to "Realists" which you totally can't call yourself, also I guess they were inspired to this because of Donald Trump. So like double party foul kiddos.

*From what I understand four of these seats are people who left the Greens and joined his list since the 2013 election.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on October 18, 2017, 01:32:28 AM
Also, after refusing to accept the results of August's Presidential election and suing to the Supreme Court and such, the runner-up in Kenya has withdrawn from the redo election scheduled for the 26th. So the party that won is claiming he can't withdraw, and his supporters are fighting to say he can't be kept on the ballot as he withdrew. And he's withdrawing because he says the countries election body hadn't made enough reforms in time for it to be fair, even though they're required to automatically hold an redo election within 60 days so nobody can futz around with stuff because of a history of this.

I guess his real concern is that some of the parties of the alliance are splitting off, content to fight elsewhere. So he might have problems matching his 45% from August.

I know what you're thinking as a solution but President Barack Hussein Obama has not lived there for at least seven continuous years. So he is not eligible to run.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on October 18, 2017, 02:36:19 AM
Not familiar with the austrian Green splitoff but the whole "my party is not a party" gimmick is a thing yeah. In France Mélenchon and Macron insisted they were heading a "movement" though the latter is obviously transitioning to something more structured. Mélenchon obviously appeals to the idea of being a purely grassroots movement (in line obviously with his political heritage) whom members can be consulted with online referendums (it's what was done on the matter of what Mélenchon was to decide in between turns of the elections, call for voting Macron or give no instructions) and local chapters expected to shoulder some responsibilities and autonomy. I imagine Podemos or 5 Stella is the same, even if the french and italian movement are top leader heavy. It's a bit ridiculous because above a certain size you need some administration and you're de facto a party but I guess it tells you just how negative the notion is perceived now. To their credit parties probably do need to experiment with new technologies to be more in tune with the base and less of a disconnected bubble only bent of reproducing its own bureaucracy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on October 19, 2017, 01:27:04 PM
Oh boy :lol

https://twitter.com/lloydblankfein/status/920995573368545280


CEO of Goldman Sachs, if you're wondering.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on October 19, 2017, 02:32:07 PM
It's difficult to do worse than London tbh.
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Post by: naff on October 19, 2017, 05:04:07 PM
An historic comeback for the left in NZ last night, and a historic win for MMP. 8 weeks out from the election Andrew Little dropped as Labour leader, and with barely a policy change, Jacinda Ardern at 37 took the party from hovering ~20% in the polls to breaking over 37%, and eventually beating the incumbent National party in a three way coalition/confidence & supply agreement with two minor parties - NZ First and Green. Hot stuff.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/19/how-reluctant-leader-jacinda-ardern-charmed-new-zealand

(https://i.imgur.com/rATmU95.png)

no shit Toby
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: toku on October 20, 2017, 03:02:35 PM
https://twitter.com/XHNews/status/921220078418489344

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: toku on October 22, 2017, 07:41:00 PM
https://thinkprogress.org/czech-president-holds-up-machine-gun-marked-for-journalists-095d31fe562a/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on October 22, 2017, 07:58:24 PM
Quote from: toku on October 22, 2017, 07:41:00 PM
https://thinkprogress.org/czech-president-holds-up-machine-gun-marked-for-journalists-095d31fe562a/

There's a lot of freakout at the Brexit or Catalonia hypotheticals but what is happening in Central Europe (and certainly in Western Europe though maybe to slightly less alarming levels) might end up having more on an effect on where the EU is headed as an institution. The total unwillingness to even pay lip service to the current refugee crisis is not a great sign. It's basically a death kneel for any project to strenghten the EU to anything more than a loose collection of states (which to be fair, is not exactly a controversial opinion) and it's setting up possible future crisis and violences right at the borders of Europe by not relieving any of the current pressure in the Near East.
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Post by: Syph on October 22, 2017, 08:50:26 PM
it's all about that visegrad group
hungarian pres openly shits on the EU
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Bitmap Frogs on October 23, 2017, 01:43:50 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on October 22, 2017, 07:58:24 PM
Quote from: toku on October 22, 2017, 07:41:00 PM
https://thinkprogress.org/czech-president-holds-up-machine-gun-marked-for-journalists-095d31fe562a/

There's a lot of freakout at the Brexit or Catalonia hypotheticals but what is happening in Central Europe (and certainly in Western Europe though maybe to slightly less alarming levels) might end up having more on an effect on where the EU is headed as an institution. The total unwillingness to even pay lip service to the current refugee crisis is not a great sign. It's basically a death kneel for any project to strenghten the EU to anything more than a loose collection of states (which to be fair, is not exactly a controversial opinion) and it's setting up possible future crisis and violences right at the borders of Europe by not relieving any of the current pressure in the Near East.

Nothing's gonna happen in Catalonia.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Valhelm on October 24, 2017, 07:05:59 PM
Chinese buddy of mine, who follows developments within the party very closely, thinks that Xi Jinping is pretty clearly going to step down at the end of his second term instead of going full generalissimo like every pearl-clutching Western journo thought he would (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-41730948). His friend and ally Wang Qishan is stepping down because he's exceeded the retirement age of 68 (http://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/2116645/205-winners-17-losers-congress-delegates-appoint-chinas), which is a pretty big deal because Wang led the anti-corruption campaign that's made Xi so popular and powerful in the first place. If Xi was interested in extending his mandate of heaven for another 10, 20 years it's unlikely he'd allow Wang (and aging vice president Li Yuanchao) to retire.

Xi's interested in cementing his legacy as a great leader along the likes of Mao and Deng, but he's too pragmatic to expand his powers in ways that might threaten the international reputation of China or the stability of the Communist Party. He's trying to build a modest cult of personality and is eager to enshrine "Xi Jinping Thought" (whatever that means) into the Chinese constitution, but is too smart to try and expand his powers if there's some chance of losing the support of party delegates.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Syph on October 25, 2017, 08:23:35 PM
NY Times: Xi Jinping Unveils China’s New Leaders but No Clear Successor (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/24/world/asia/xi-jinping-china.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&mtrref=www.nytimes.com&gwh=5B6E5752EB9A352FF48FEAAAD2A28989&gwt=pay)

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For the first time in a generation, the new Standing Committee did not include a younger leader who would be groomed as heir apparent. The decision to delay anointing a successor broke with the unwritten conventions that have ensured relatively stable leadership changes since the era of Deng Xiaoping, which was troubled by schisms and purges.

...

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The lack of a potential successor could be seen as a sign that Mr. Xi intends to dominate beyond this next five-year term, which ends in 2023, either by staying in office or behind the scenes. He may also want more time to test possible successors, while avoiding lame duck status with an heir waiting in the wings.
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Post by: H.I.V.E. on October 26, 2017, 02:29:11 AM
Quote from: Syph on October 25, 2017, 08:23:35 PM
NY Times: Xi Jinping Unveils China’s New Leaders but No Clear Successor (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/24/world/asia/xi-jinping-china.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&mtrref=www.nytimes.com&gwh=5B6E5752EB9A352FF48FEAAAD2A28989&gwt=pay)

Quote
For the first time in a generation, the new Standing Committee did not include a younger leader who would be groomed as heir apparent. The decision to delay anointing a successor broke with the unwritten conventions that have ensured relatively stable leadership changes since the era of Deng Xiaoping, which was troubled by schisms and purges.

...

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The lack of a potential successor could be seen as a sign that Mr. Xi intends to dominate beyond this next five-year term, which ends in 2023, either by staying in office or behind the scenes. He may also want more time to test possible successors, while avoiding lame duck status with an heir waiting in the wings.

Next Putin?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 26, 2017, 09:42:41 AM
I came across this brochure today from an actual company #dead  :lol :lol :lol :lol

first page  :lol

http://publish.folders.eu/api/embed?showMenu=true&showDownload=true&pageMode=double&showShare=true&showPrint=true&startpage=1&mainColor=eeeeee&textColor=111111&foregroundColor=666666&backgroundColor=ffffff&mainBackgroundColor=ransparent&annotationColor=649a20&skin=185&doc=2005012&token=bfaf78c4d70a30e5c20c10d8e564e4e2 (http://publish.folders.eu/api/embed?showMenu=true&showDownload=true&pageMode=double&showShare=true&showPrint=true&startpage=1&mainColor=eeeeee&textColor=111111&foregroundColor=666666&backgroundColor=ffffff&mainBackgroundColor=ransparent&annotationColor=649a20&skin=185&doc=2005012&token=bfaf78c4d70a30e5c20c10d8e564e4e2)

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Post by: Nintex on October 26, 2017, 07:38:14 PM
After 7 months we finally have a government of Christians, Liberals and what are supposed to be Liberal Conservatives.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNDlSgeW0AApiES.jpg:large)

The fat jolly dude in the Middle is our king who is very popular. The guy on the left our Prime Minister Mark Rutte (who will be our leader for a third time).
The midget in yellow is our secretary of defense. The sleazebag to the left of Rutte is Halbe, our secretary of state who opposed Obama's Iran deal.
Next to him, our deputy secretary of state who also happens to be married to a former minister of Arafat (Palestinian leader).   :doge .

Even we don't know who most of these people are but they are sure to raise our taxes.  :-\
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Post by: VomKriege on October 26, 2017, 07:52:17 PM
Quote from: Premium Lager on October 26, 2017, 09:42:41 AM
I came across this brochure today from an actual company #dead  :lol :lol :lol :lol

first page  :lol

http://publish.folders.eu/api/embed?showMenu=true&showDownload=true&pageMode=double&showShare=true&showPrint=true&startpage=1&mainColor=eeeeee&textColor=111111&foregroundColor=666666&backgroundColor=ffffff&mainBackgroundColor=ransparent&annotationColor=649a20&skin=185&doc=2005012&token=bfaf78c4d70a30e5c20c10d8e564e4e2 (http://publish.folders.eu/api/embed?showMenu=true&showDownload=true&pageMode=double&showShare=true&showPrint=true&startpage=1&mainColor=eeeeee&textColor=111111&foregroundColor=666666&backgroundColor=ffffff&mainBackgroundColor=ransparent&annotationColor=649a20&skin=185&doc=2005012&token=bfaf78c4d70a30e5c20c10d8e564e4e2)

To the barbarians on the board : "An autonomous washing machine with a delayed start option".  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on October 26, 2017, 11:41:43 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 26, 2017, 07:38:14 PM
The midget in yellow is our secretary of defense.
Is the fake spider to scare away potential predators?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on October 27, 2017, 10:56:01 AM
Quote from: Bitmap Frogs on October 23, 2017, 01:43:50 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on October 22, 2017, 07:58:24 PM
Quote from: toku on October 22, 2017, 07:41:00 PM
https://thinkprogress.org/czech-president-holds-up-machine-gun-marked-for-journalists-095d31fe562a/

There's a lot of freakout at the Brexit or Catalonia hypotheticals but what is happening in Central Europe (and certainly in Western Europe though maybe to slightly less alarming levels) might end up having more on an effect on where the EU is headed as an institution. The total unwillingness to even pay lip service to the current refugee crisis is not a great sign. It's basically a death kneel for any project to strenghten the EU to anything more than a loose collection of states (which to be fair, is not exactly a controversial opinion) and it's setting up possible future crisis and violences right at the borders of Europe by not relieving any of the current pressure in the Near East.

Nothing's gonna happen in Catalonia.

Catalonia autonomists just voted in the regional parliament to declare independence (MP opposed boycotted the vote). Apparently Madrid wasn't willing to offer all that was needed to convince Puigdemont to call a snap election which was more or less the middle ground. Spanish Senate will most likely vote the suspension of local authorities shortly and things will get heated when they will try to rein in local police and public media (autonomous slant).

As usual the vote is not legal wrt to Spain, but autonomists will claim it's legitimate.
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Post by: FStop7 on October 27, 2017, 11:40:12 AM
Sending in the goons to beat grannies who were trying to vote in a meaningless referendum will go down as one of the great blunders.
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Post by: Momo on October 27, 2017, 01:32:52 PM
good luck catalan, hope you guys dont get fucked over
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: warcock on October 27, 2017, 02:30:10 PM
Quote from: Raist on October 19, 2017, 01:27:04 PM
Oh boy :lol

https://twitter.com/lloydblankfein/status/920995573368545280


CEO of Goldman Sachs, if you're wondering.

Meh i was hoping for Strasbourg or even Paris. Symbolically speaking it wouldn't be as bitter a pill to swallow. With all keeping that facade of the franco-german motor going. 


PS did anybody buy in into Schultz when he got nominated? Dude it was november. November was fucking cold. Social democrats are like abused housewives, my political life is like an extended version of the film Misery.  Get me out of here.
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Post by: Corporal on October 27, 2017, 02:41:20 PM
Man, everyone is having so much fun right now.

Thailand has their new monarch who'd rather stay in Bavaria and live a life of debauchery, the ex convicts down in Straya are purging heathen foreigners from their own parliament, Spain is preparing an all you can beat street festival, the Brits alternate between pedophilia/harassment problems and Brexit delusions, the US remains a burning garbage heap with an orange toupee,...

Only we Germans are boring. We have a rough understanding that we probably kind of want to have a Jamaica coalition between liberals, the greens and the schizophrenic center-right party blob, but nothing ever happens in the talks. We have once more been told that the parties have come to an understanding that they kind of want to stick together and do this. Hoo fucking ray. Not even the formation of our next parliament had any surprises in store.

The sole source of entertainment is watching parties spontaneously combust. The left had a harsh leadership challenge only recently, now the center-left had the vice (Scholz) attack the head honcho (Schulz) in a position paper. While that's kinda fun for a while, it pales in comparison to the rest of the world.

(Of course, problem is, once we Germans start having fun, others usually get bent over the barrel, big time. Meh. :-\ )
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: HardcoreRetro on October 27, 2017, 03:48:31 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 26, 2017, 07:38:14 PM
Even we don't know who most of these people are but they are sure to raise our taxes.  :-\

Don't worry, if you're rich they'll lower them for you.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Marhunchy on October 27, 2017, 05:28:21 PM
time to send someone to do some reporting so we can have the fucking sequel to "For whom the bell tolls"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Syph on October 27, 2017, 10:30:02 PM
visegrad to eu: "cya nerds"

A populist tycoon takes power in the Czech Republic (https://www.ft.com/content/a981cb48-b991-11e7-9bfb-4a9c83ffa852)

Hungary Orders Spies to Target Soros ‘Empire’ (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-27/orban-marshals-spy-agencies-in-renewed-attack-on-soros-empire)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on October 28, 2017, 11:43:14 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 26, 2017, 11:41:43 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 26, 2017, 07:38:14 PM
The midget in yellow is our secretary of defense.
Is the fake spider to scare away potential predators?
Yes, our army has been low on ammo for about 5 years now.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on October 29, 2017, 04:30:13 PM
Late on this but heard it in a talk about the 19th Congress of the PRC : China has opened a naval military base in Djibouti this summer, the tiny east-african country housing several militaries (French, US which took housing in a former French base, Japanese, a couple others and Saudi now as well) thanks to its excellent strategic location.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 31, 2017, 01:11:28 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-41803604

:lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on October 31, 2017, 01:13:32 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 31, 2017, 01:11:28 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-41803604

:lol


Ssshhhhh. They took back control. Things are looking pretty good.Something something NHS.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on November 01, 2017, 08:48:57 AM
So the recently removed region president of Catalonia, Puigdemont, is in Brussels along some others of his dissolved government. He's not seeking asylum but it's pretty clear he'd rather not be in Spain right now as people might start being indicted for rebellion and secession.

The most important point however is that he said he would abide by the results of the regional election called for December by Madrid (absent a referendum, the next best thing to do) and think the process to independence has to slow down to avoid violence. It's weird to see the leadership swinging from rash decisions to caution but it's maybe the nature of the autonomist coalition going from the far left to center right and probably with various levels of patience with the matter of declaring independence proper...

Otherwise France is now longer in state of emergency, as a new antiterrorism law has been voted, passing into common law some of the emergency measures. As you can guess, supporters of civil liberties ain't too happy. One number making the rounds is that police conducted 6000 administrative raids (emergency statute with less safeguards and without mandatory authorization by a judge) which wielded 40 indictments for explicit antiterrorism counts, half of which for "terrorism apology". That's also, or so I heard, the 11th bill reforming security and law enforcement in 15 years, sometimes not adding much (for instance France already has a robust legal frame to monitor and police religious preaching in the 1905 law separating state and religion).

One lawyer commented that such was France : the administration claims to tend to the many almost always get priority over personal freedoms.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Broseidon on November 01, 2017, 01:31:44 PM
https://twitter.com/jseldin/status/925764444814282752
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Broseidon on November 01, 2017, 01:51:26 PM
https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/925779061733036032
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 01, 2017, 02:39:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQlMAptIKF8&feature=youtu.be&t=22
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Valhelm on November 01, 2017, 03:49:52 PM
191 countries vote to condemn blockade of Cuba. Only US and Israel vote no. (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-01/urgent-us-votes-against-un-resolution-condemning-us-embargo-on-cuba)

Clearly we're the only good guys and the rest of the goddamn planet is wrong.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Rufus on November 01, 2017, 03:51:01 PM
Whatever that was, the site's eaten it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Valhelm on November 01, 2017, 03:59:52 PM
191 countries vote to condemn blockade of Cuba.
 Only US and Israel vote no. (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-01/urgent-us-votes-against-un-resolution-condemning-us-embargo-on-cuba)

Clearly we're the only good guys and the rest of the goddamn planet is wrong.

post didn't work the first time, idk why
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Rufus on November 01, 2017, 04:05:31 PM
Try code tags, maybe. :/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Yeti on November 01, 2017, 07:19:05 PM
I've been noticing a lot of missing posts like that lately, is something going on with the forum?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 01, 2017, 09:17:23 PM
url tags dont work i think
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Corporal on November 02, 2017, 07:14:39 AM
Forum's screwy right now, no?

Demi should spend less time relaxing on /r/etc, and more on the bore, being stressed. It's for his own good. I think. Maybe. Anger helps motivate you to do better in video games.

On topic: I think more countries should follow the UK. Keeping an easily searchable database with morally and legally concerning acts of politicians from your own party should be a requirement.
But damn, that list is some proper shitshow.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on November 02, 2017, 07:56:13 AM
urls that contain certain characters (i think "#" "-" "?" are some of the potential culprits) are breaking the auto-function which "saves" the forum from posts with bad code by erasing it, doesn't seem like anything demi has done recently should be doing this
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Valhelm on November 02, 2017, 05:44:46 PM
damn I'll remember that when posting links in the future
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Post by: VomKriege on November 03, 2017, 12:43:52 PM
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-03/egyptian-tv-presenter-jailed-for-discussing-unmarried-sex/9114652?pfmredir=sm

 :doge
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Post by: Leadbelly on November 03, 2017, 08:31:10 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on November 03, 2017, 12:43:52 PM
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-03/egyptian-tv-presenter-jailed-for-discussing-unmarried-sex/9114652?pfmredir=sm

 :doge

Just take him to the nearest tall building and chuck him off for goodness sake.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Syph on November 04, 2017, 03:11:43 PM
Lebanese PM Hariri resigns, saying he fears assassination plot (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-41870406)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Broseidon on November 04, 2017, 05:56:04 PM
Wouldn't be surprised given they blew up his dad, though the fact he did it whilst in KSA was probably to send a message (and likely under pressure from the Saudis) for some reason. Perhaps they are trying a new approach to countering Iran? I wonder what MbS is up to.

Speaking of which

https://twitter.com/tobiaschneider/status/926911951426539520
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on November 05, 2017, 02:20:26 PM
What's amazing with Lebanon is that despite (or because) of the arcane political gridlock, it looks like of the less oppressive place to live in the region. Well, save for the gruesome civil war back then  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Corporal on November 05, 2017, 02:58:17 PM
Trump and the Trump-led US likes the prince that's doing the arrests, so I am guessing Saudi Arabia is on its way to a terrible future?

...

Random stuff!

Police nabbed 260 protesters of an illegal anti Putin rally in Moscow. Gotta respect those brave souls.

Also, oh-boy-oh-boy, those Paradise Papers. Barely anything happened after the Panama Papers, so I don't expect any great fallout, but it's always interesting to get a look at such behind the scenes stuff.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: toku on November 05, 2017, 03:03:21 PM
https://twitter.com/johnarterbury/status/927262814250684416

how convenient

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on November 05, 2017, 03:11:14 PM
Surely an unfortunate incident :doge
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Post by: Corporal on November 05, 2017, 03:24:03 PM
What a terrible ACCIDENT. :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on November 05, 2017, 03:26:25 PM
I wouldn't necessarily look into a sinister cause for a chopper crash. Air accidents killing famous people are semi regular events.

The Panama Papers toppled Iceland government and put into jeopardy a recently departed Pakistani prime minister (don't remember if it was the cause of him stepping down). I don't think it's fair to say they had no consequences.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Valhelm on November 05, 2017, 03:56:58 PM
Quote from: Syph on November 04, 2017, 03:11:43 PM
Lebanese PM Hariri resigns, saying he fears assassination plot (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-41870406)

seems like bullshit (http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/04/middleeast/lebanese-prime-minister-saad-hariri-resigns/index.html)

My guess is that Mohammed bin Sultan is giving up on Lebanon because the whole country is basically wedded to Hezbollah. There's not much point in trying to stay friendly with Lebanon if you'd rather be friendly with Israel. Saad Hariri was effectively a Saudi puppet and one of the only members of the government opposed to Hezbollah and Iranian influence.

MBS probably recognizes that for Saudi to remain a major Arab power, they need to stop behaving like a "normal" Arab country. Instead they have to imitate their closest non-Arab buddies, Israel and the USA. This means no more anti-Zionism, no more feigned interest in the conditions of Palestinians, and maybe even no more support for radical Sunni groups that don't work with the CIA. If this plan succeeds, Saudi Arabia will benefit more strongly from their ties with the West and might enjoy a more rapidly growing and diversified economy.

What I don't understand is why this happened the same day as the arrests in Riyadh. There doesn't seem to be an immediately obvious connection, unless MBS somehow thought doing an apparent power grab at home would take attention away from this apparent retreat in Lebanon.


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Post by: Valhelm on November 05, 2017, 04:14:25 PM
are you rly suggesting that Saudi Arabia has not been pivoting toward Israel over the past 20 years

Saudi still keeps up the kayfabe of anti-Zionism (through meaningless pro-Palestinian statements and state antisemitism) but they've done almost nothing to threaten Israeli influence in the region. Because Saudi Arabia and Israeli are both so reliant on America and so threatened by Iran, warm relations are natural and necessary. Religious and ideological differences can be pretty easily put aside in a context like this.

both Israeli (https://www.timesofisrael.com/yaalon-lays-out-mideast-vision-which-resembles-netanyahus/) and Saudi officials (http://www.timesofisrael.com/saudi-media-battles-anti-semitism-warms-up-to-israel/) will admit this without much hesitation
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on November 05, 2017, 04:26:24 PM
(he's saubi)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: HardcoreRetro on November 05, 2017, 04:40:36 PM
Proud of the Netherlands for making the top spot as a tax haven on the Paradise Papers.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: thehunter116 on November 05, 2017, 04:59:16 PM
The super rich suck.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: HardcoreRetro on November 05, 2017, 05:27:50 PM
Quote from: Dufus on November 05, 2017, 05:02:56 PM
Quote from: HardcoreRetro on November 05, 2017, 04:40:36 PM
Proud of the Netherlands for making the top spot as a tax haven on the Paradise Papers.

Where can I read about that? I'm not seeing anything that suggests Netherlands is a 'top spot'.

Think the guy I got it from was actually talking about an older article.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/these-five-countries-are-conduits-for-the-worlds-biggest_us_5975f0aee4b0f1feb89b4500

"The Netherlands and the United Kingdom also play a crucial – although a heretofore obscure – role in the tax-avoidance game, acting as conduits for corporate profits as they make their way to tax havens."

"We found that a handful of big countries – the Netherlands, the UK, Switzerland, Singapore and Ireland – serve as the world’s conduit OFCs. Together, these five conduits channel 47% of corporate offshore investment from tax havens, according to the data we analysed.

The Netherlands leads the pack with 23%"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: etiolate on November 05, 2017, 05:31:10 PM
More bombings in Sweden

Plane with Saudi prince crashes
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: thehunter116 on November 05, 2017, 11:52:29 PM
https://twitter.com/AP/status/927355812888088576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FAP%2Fstatus%2F927355812888088576

So this is getting alarmingly serious.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: curly on November 06, 2017, 04:08:53 AM
So in the last 48 hours or so Saudi Arabia has possibly forced Lebanon's PM to resign, purged rivals to the crown prince, had a high-ranking prince die in a helicopter crash, and threatened to go to war with Iran? Busy kingdom.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on November 06, 2017, 05:43:10 AM
Lebanese president will wait for Hariri to return home and explain himself before accepting a resignation.
The problem is that if Saudi is actively pressuring behind the scenes, I guess it could be an issue finding a Sunni politician willing to take the office. IIRC Hariri ascended after much difficulties to form a government already. This would immobilize Lebanon more than it is in general.

Taking a look at L'Orient Le Jour (Lebanese newspaper), the sudden resignation is as mysterious for them (Hezbollah included) than it is for any outside observers. The major worry is Lebanon being engulfed as an hotter proxy battlefield than it is now.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: toku on November 06, 2017, 04:01:11 PM
Did SA just declare war on Lebanon?

https://twitter.com/gert_lang_/status/927640184442818560
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Rufus on November 06, 2017, 04:08:04 PM
You followed Guile's advice. :c
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on November 06, 2017, 08:09:02 PM
Charlie Hebdo received more death threats for its latest cover depicting Tariq Ramadan (a Muslim thinker, teacher at Oxford, grandson of an important future in the Muslim brotherhood, seen in France as a Muslim conservative and often with suspicion... Recently accused of rape by multiple women) with a giant boner and saying for his defense that he is the 6th pillar of Islam.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on November 06, 2017, 08:28:46 PM
Does anyone know if that blockade of UAE is still ongoing?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: curly on November 06, 2017, 08:56:05 PM
Qatar? Yeah it is
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on November 06, 2017, 09:13:48 PM
I know Saudi Arabia's military is large but it seems like quite the endeavor to have that kind of action everywhere. Lebanon, Qatar, Yemen, and potentially Iran. Could get in a fight with Syria if it's really serious about alliance-shifting in Lebanon.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: HardcoreRetro on November 07, 2017, 05:19:22 AM
I was getting worried we (The Netherlands) wouldn't show up in the Paradise Papers. Trouw is on the case though.

https://www.trouw.nl/home/waar-je-je-nike-s-ook-koopt-de-kassa-rinkelt-in-holland~a0167497/

Think they got more shit on us. :)

Sing along with me: "We zijn er weer bij en dat is prima! Viva Hollandia!"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on November 07, 2017, 06:03:32 AM
Lebanese PM Hariri (Possibly still acting as President Aoun will only consider his step down when he is at home*) is now flying to Abou Dhabi and may also meet the King of Bahreďn.
:mindblown

Guy doesn't seem too eager to mend the political crisis he triggered & fly back home to his country who is now under barely veiled threats of violent meddling by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

Reading further local articles seems to wield that an assassination attempt was uncovered and not by Lebanese intelligence but thanks to tips by a "trusted" ally (attributed to the former/current Ministry of Interior).
Things are even more confusing as Hariri apparently did make a few days earlier a quick trip to KSA (and took a selfie with the KSA Minister of Gulf Affairs) and came back with guarded optimism that KSA was commited to Lebanese stability and all the cabinet statements recently implied they expected to manage domestic affairs for the months to come (elections in May).

His fateful trip to Saudi was not planned, he left in his private plane without his usual team save for his security detail, didn't contact anyone until the TV broadcast to announce his resigation and acquaintances of Hariri are adamant he didn't gave the announcement from his residence in the Saudi capital.

* However Lebanese constitutionalists are debating the issue, as the constitution doesn't mention any specific form to follow to quit the PM office. Some argue reasonably that while the text doesn't mention anything, quitting the Prime Minister office should follow the same rules than any other public servant, namely that it has to be formally accepted. The Presidency of Lebanon could also argue given the unusual circumstances that they need to make sure Hariri wasn't coerced.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: HardcoreRetro on November 07, 2017, 07:29:18 AM
I still don't get why afro-american history gets transposed on the zwarte piet thing though. As far as I can tell the minstrel show wasn't really a thing over here in the Netherlands. I'd find this entire discussion millions of times more interresting if it was actually looked at through a dutch-historic lens. I don't care if it stays or goes, but I'd enjoy these discussions a lot more if the entire thing wasn't just based on knee-jerk reactions.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on November 07, 2017, 09:33:19 AM
Court of Justice in Nanterre, France, rejected a defamation claim by the state of Azerbaďdjan against the public network France Télévisions which produced and aired a report calling it a brutal dictatorship.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on November 08, 2017, 06:44:35 AM
Air pollution so bad in New Delhi schools are closed for a week.
:larry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on November 08, 2017, 07:51:15 AM
French President Macron is in Abou Dhabi for the opening of the Abou Dabhi Louvre museum. Following a concurrent policy of cultural projection to Qatar, the emirate sealed a deal to use the name of the most famous French museum some years ago. A very lucrative, and reportedly unorthodox in some respects as far as the world of museum go, deal that's supposed to trickle down 1 billion euros o France over 30 years (400m for lending the name, 180m of planned expenses to "borrow" art pieces from a consortium of 13 French museums and I guess other costs like the bills for french architect Jean Nouvel).
Ultimately two other museums, includicing a Abou Dhabi Guggenheim, are supposed to stand there on the same small island but those suffered large delays and construction work hasn't begun yet.
On the cultural front, Paris university La Sorbonne also has a subsidiary over there.
There's some grumbling in France on the matter of associating French culture to a petro-monarchy. It's obvious money was a major impetus in the project because otherwise more "respectable" (rightly or wrongly) partners usully get those sort of nods.

Of course it's not all for the love of art : the UAE, and chiefly Abou Dhabi, is a major partner to France. It ranks high in import / export for the region (second for France), biggest French expatriate population in the Gulf, it has a defensive alliance accord with France and it now houses the only French permanent foreign military base outside of Africa. Both parties are probably eager to celebrate those ties, especially the Emiratis since rival Qatar has invested massively in France (famously buying the Paris Saint-Germain football club) in an effort to curry favors.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Valhelm on November 08, 2017, 03:02:53 PM
Hey how important is Francafrique to the French economy? Are investments and resource-extraction schemes in Africa still a huge part of the GDP?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on November 08, 2017, 07:34:12 PM
Quote from: Valhelm on November 08, 2017, 03:02:53 PM
Hey how important is Francafrique to the French economy? Are investments and resource-extraction schemes in Africa still a huge part of the GDP?

It's not a huge (in the literal sense) part and there's a lot of pushback by historians on the myth of colonial profitability. I don't have any numbers to offer you however. Nonetheless Africa is still an important plank to France. To cite a few famous examples : the control share of Bolloré in several major ports, oil fields in Gabon, gas in Algeria IIRC and the uranium in Niger. The latest is the one closer to being strategic as France has a backbone of nuclear plants, the other examples has transitioned completely to the profit of French private businesses. I'm also sure that a myriad of smaller contracts benefit handsomely to big and medium French companies.
I'm fairly certain it's not a major market for weapons systems however, despite the entanglement of defence accords. French defence industry bowed out of the small arms industry mostly (there's still ammo supplying and such). Biggest markets are the Gulf and the subcontinent who buys pricey fighter jets or submarines.

It's still an healthy source of shadow financing for French politics and the dubious network of brokers is doing ok. Families of African dictators get routinely sued for the money they divested to buy fancy property in France.

It's also still the main outside theater of operations for the French army, as mentioned above. Things get reshuffled on the regular but there's always thousands of French troops roaming the continent out of a few permanent bases. Most notably in and around the Sahel, Libreville and Djibouti still. Obviously to fulfill our obligations and to defend interests and the large expatriate communities (though French expatriates in Africa accounts for 7,3% of the total and is slightly behind the Middle East / Gulf and Asia / Oceania who both sits at 8%).

So still major, especially in a geopolitical sense, but arguably the Gulf is more lucrative relatively as far as exports go. France has long standing relations there and it only rose in prominence with Qatar aggressive investing.

The US and especially China have made forays in Africa, Francafrique is not nearly as hegemonic as it was nor as important, but the fact is we're bound by blood for better and worse with former French Africa and the informal network is solid.

Not to wax poetic on imperialism but when shit hits the fan not a lot of Western powers seem especially eager to commit potential blood to do anything. Especially in Sahel even though it's arguably of strategic importance to Europe to not let terrorists fester so close to Med shores and to alleviate instability that only create more refugees.
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Post by: VomKriege on November 08, 2017, 07:53:38 PM
To add quickly to the previous posts : The biggest share of trade is done with European partners (chiefly Germany), first world economies, Russia and China. Those accounts for two thirds of the trade. To note however is that it seems that import/export balance is beneficial to France in most of the African continent (while hugely in the tank in China due to the humongous volume of imports from there).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Valhelm on November 08, 2017, 11:44:33 PM
How do different political groups (nationalists, centrists, socialists, France Insoumise) feel about this special relationship? Is it unacceptable to suggest France should abandon these ties, or to be involved in Africa more directly?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on November 09, 2017, 05:19:42 AM
Quote from: Valhelm on November 08, 2017, 11:44:33 PM
How do different political groups (nationalists, centrists, socialists, France Insoumise) feel about this special relationship? Is it unacceptable to suggest France should abandon these ties, or to be involved in Africa more directly?

I couldn't give you much details about each party's position. I mean really, the official platforms follows the rifts you'd expect. Traditional conservatives inherited solid networks from their Gaullist forefathers. Socialists have long build the same through international fraternity. The far right I'm sure are opposed in theory because denouncing corruption is their schtick but they got their Gabenese suitcases in the past like all the others. Insoumis (and I guess Communists) are all about alternatives and strongly against exploitation but really let's be realist for a moment here international camaradery is often the same type of networks with a friendler face. The French Communists don't have the best records whith dealing with local branches promoting autonomy of their overseas location either (be it Algeria then or La Réunion today). Maybe the Insoumis would cut back on military presence though, would they ever reach power, though call me cynical but I'd wait to see it to believe it.

Are you american ? French presence in parts of Africa is not unlike US military presence around the worlds or its claim to international jurisdiction (fining foreign companies for things they do elsewhere, for instance) : it's, dare I say it, normalized and accepted as a base assumption. The debate and disputes exist in the public sphere, in the press and in the courts. The merits of the intervention of Lybia, the lack of effectiveness of the latest one in Centrafrique or the outright potential help brought to Rwandan mass muderers, to name matters of war, are all debated and covered in the press. Same for the association to unsavory autocrats, corruption or shady business deals. But the tolerance threshold, so to speak, is higher than other topics of foreign policy which itself by and large doesn't interest the masses a whole lot anyway. The Assembly will rubberstamp most expeditionary forces (which France has always been careful to frame in accordance to UN principles, operations and approval), the President get huge leeway in launching those on his own -not unlike the USA, again- and the permanent presence is not contested.

Again, without making excuses for post-colonialism, it's not like the leaders in Africa are too eager to kick us out anyway. A prime example was the crisis in Ivory Coast a few years ago. Gbagbo was spitting much fire at "foreigners" in general and French meddling but the man has been bred within the International Socialist network and still had to the very end a French ad agency as his main outside councel at PR. By all accounts he was mostly trying to prop himself up and excite crowds while he was losing internatiol favors, not really bent to changing anything too radically. I also mentioned a few months ago an interview of Jean Ping, who lost the Gabon election and has contested the result ever since, who lamented that French players (notably around the President) weren't as proactive as he'd like ! Gbagbo or Ouattara, Bongo the younger or Ping are all two sides of the same coin and none of them are really willing to rock the boat as far as this go and are more than perfectly fine with keeping France around even if they of course open to other foreign investments.

The lack of enthusiasm Ping felt really goes back to the point that while the system endures, France informal views do align at least notionally to the public statements about the death of Françafrique. In some ways, the idea that too direct an entanglement was as much as a burden than an asset has started to infuse long ago. On the military front especially, France is getting a bit blasé about intervening left and right as a band aid to obvious basket cases (Centrafrique is the current poster boy). Maybe a case of you reap what you sow and certainly hypocritical to an extent, but it is not just words in that France has actively sought up more willing European and international partners to at least foot the bill and I think there's some merit to the argument that France (and the UK) are actually defending not only their interests but those of the EU at large and are the only one willing to pay some amount of blood to it. As far as I can tell, the only major reliable partner who can be depended upon as far as military goes is the USA.

France doesn't mind the diplomatic influence or business avenues but is getting weary of having to babysit African potentates and it's fully understood that the old ways of post-decolonization are dead and outdated. Nevertheless I think French presence will continue for many decades and at up to the time I'll return to ashes. It is what it is. It's fucked up but if you claim it, you have to continue owning it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Sman on November 09, 2017, 09:25:30 AM
Assuming you're not like Sarah Palin (and I am certainly not Katie Couric), may I ask what do you read, Vomkriege?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on November 09, 2017, 09:48:42 AM
In general or related to the topic at hand ? Shamefully and sadly not been able to read a lot lately. My non fiction preferences goes towards history, geopolitics and war theory (which I feel lean conservative and deterministic). Podcasts act as an ersatz on my commute lately.

Please note that while I may be wordy my opinions are only worth the bytes they're printed on. I am also not a political activist by any mean.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Sman on November 09, 2017, 09:57:58 AM
General mostly. You keep bringing updates on French politics so obviously there must be something specific there. Monde diplomatique? Canard enchainé? That sort of thing.
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Post by: VomKriege on November 09, 2017, 08:11:21 PM
Oh then I'll probably disappoint. As we say here, culture is like marmelade, the less you have, the more you spread. I think my messages here are mostly insightful insofar I offer first hand details on local politics that will be foreign to most of the board. A lot of the stuff is really only surface level with a few "hot takes" or opinions in the mix.

I used to read more newspapers back in the day, notably Charlie Hebdo, the Canard Enchainé and Libération (family choice). Today I'm mostly staying aware through radio and podcasts, which I have the leisure to listen while at work.

- France Info is a decent radio to keep in touch with current events and they're good with injecting longer interviews and debates within the news recap.
- Le Nouvel Esprit Public (link (https://www.lenouvelespritpublic.fr/)) is a good weekly podcast for getting a liberal & centrist perspective. It's an hour long, generally has two topics, one on domestic politics, the other on international affairs. Debate is respectful and insightful and mostly elevated by the quality of guests (including editors from Le Monde, the Paris correspondant of the FAZ, one Ambassadeur de France, the former Prime Minister of Bénin etc...). It used to be a radio show on France Culture until this year, but the founder and host was fired and decided to create a splinter indie podcast. The original radio show L'esprit Public still exists on France Culture radio and so far it's decent (though a notch of quality below), you can listen to all past shows in podcast form.
- Radio France International has a good podcast on geopolitics called Géopolitique (duh). Same deal than above, available in podcast form. Two shows a week, slighty below an hour. Mostly academics and experts on a given subject.
- I like to check the live feed of Libération for domestic and the wire from Reuters for everything else. Reuters is slanted to the UK or the US (depending on the feed you choose) and towards business but their wire is fully accessible for free and they have a phone app, otherwise I'd have AFP in the rotation if it was possible. As was mentioned by Samson Manhug, Reuters / AFP / AP wire services are good because they're short, to the point and try to be mostly factual.
- Reuters also have podcasts : War College is a good one for international affairs through the military lens. Weekly and an hour long. One guest interview. It had a lot of good stuff recently on Russia and North Korea.

Otherwise with the Internet, it's more of a matter of knowing where to look when needed IMO than to read a paper back to back. I'm not reading the following on the regular but I can vouch for those :
- Jean-Dominique Merchet for French defense affairs. He's currently at l'Opinion (he changed employers quite a few times over the years) and he has a blog online. Le Canard Enchainé always had good source on military and intelligence affairs (page 3, half a page every week).
- Ultima Ratio is a decent blog for military strategy. They have several papers in English too.
- Out of the big French daily newspapers, Le Monde is probably the better one. I'll go check their site if I'm looking for a slighty more in depth article about some political topic of the day. Had my period of checking Le Figaro too but apart from the better gossip on conservative infighting it didn't bring much to the table.
- RFI always had good networks in Africa, worth checking when needed.
- I barely watch TV now but when I do and as far as news are concerned it's either France 24 (international focus and some good medium form reporting) or Euronews (cheap but with a real European wide focus free of the hysterics of political theater). La Chaine Parlementaire / Public Sénat (French C-Span, for anyone wondering), on top of broadcasting real parliamentary work, also have decent in depth reports on public matters. Haven't watched Arte in years but the news bulletin is way above average, from the echos I get. Everything else on TV is distilled madness and noise.

Having a peek at local newspapers online for a particular country -if language permits- when it's in the news, even just for a couple of editorials, is always good too. Generally more granular with the reporting and helps get a feel for the local perspective (or the approved line).

And for the rest, I'm just coasting by on the little knowledge I can thank my parents and my education for. :doge

Let me know if it was what you were looking for.

EDIT : Le Monde Diplomatique :hhh Joking aside, it always was too rich for my taste and the thing would always end up falling out of my hands in boredom. I guess it's good that it exists.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: curly on November 10, 2017, 02:33:18 AM
So Saad Hariri, the Lebanese PM who resigned, still hasn't returned to Lebanon. His party demanded his return from Saudi Arabia immediately, which seems to imply he's being held there against his will. Meanwhile Saudi Arabia has told its citizens to leave Lebanon.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on November 10, 2017, 03:59:22 AM
Quote from: curly on November 10, 2017, 02:33:18 AM
So Saad Hariri, the Lebanese PM who resigned, still hasn't returned to Lebanon. His party demanded his return from Saudi Arabia immediately, which seems to imply he's being held there against his will. Meanwhile Saudi Arabia has told its citizens to leave Lebanon.

French Foreign Minister said the assessment was that he circulated freely, though the fact you need to "assess" that leaves in itself room for doubt. Yesterday L'Orient le Jour reported that apparently the Lebanese presidency had no open, consistent line of communication to him and that his own party is in the dark. You'd understand possibly fleeing in fear for your life but the appearances are weird and worrying.

Rumors that he contacted France informally have been denied. The Hariri family are in good standing here, like many Lebanese millionaires, the father was a familiar of former French President Chirac (IIRC they were housed in a sumptuous Paris flat owned by the Hariri after he left the Presidential office...).

Edit : oh Macron made a surprise visit in KSA on his way back from the UAE... Whatever is happening in KSA it feels like the dawn of a new reign.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on November 10, 2017, 07:36:12 PM
In the Lebanese crisis, it should maybe be said that while the circumstances are terrible optics, most everyone (apart from Shia) will agree with the bulk of the argument that Hezbollah has grown too strong in Lebanon. If you believe what you read, Hariri was an empty figurehead that was forced to head a government he didn't control and give his blessing to the election of Aoun as president (Lebanon has gone two years without anyone in office), whom alliance with Hezbollah has teeth grinding even among his Christian clientele.

The Druze leader Walid Joumblatt basically spelled it out on his Twitter. Hariri must come home "willingly or not" because "there's no alternative (to him acting as PM) anyway".

I guess maybe a lot here are aware of it, but it cannot hurt to remind that Lebanon has a complex and rigid agreement between its multiple communities in order to keep the peace. The key political offices are divided according to it as are the seats in Parliament. The Prime Minister has to be a Sunni.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Valhelm on November 13, 2017, 02:41:54 PM
I think Hezbollah can only be considered too strong if their prominence is threatening the security and stability of Lebanese people. Given that Hezbollah took power because nobody else was able to protect their country, I don't think that's the case yet.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on November 13, 2017, 03:37:45 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on November 10, 2017, 07:36:12 PM
In the Lebanese crisis, it should maybe be said that while the circumstances are terrible optics
not like this Vom, not like this
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on November 13, 2017, 07:42:06 PM
Quote from: Valhelm on November 13, 2017, 02:41:54 PM
I think Hezbollah can only be considered too strong if their prominence is threatening the security and stability of Lebanese people. Given that Hezbollah took power because nobody else was able to protect their country, I don't think that's the case yet.

Well aren't they doing just that with regards to Israël and KSA ? Now I'm not an expert and obviously Hezbollah isn't gonna go just "ok then" but as far as I can tell many in Lebanon certainly agree with the fact they're a state within the state,  that ideally they should disarm and they're doing the opposite...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: curly on November 13, 2017, 07:59:03 PM
Wouldn't it depend on who you're asking in Lebanon--are they Sunni or Shiite, are they pro- or anti-Hezbollah, is it Iran or Saudi Arabia that funds them? Does a middle ground exist? I should probably do more research on Lebanon before making claims, but my impression is that the country is so split on sectarian lines that a unified state is impossible and if Hezbollah were to disarm they'd have no deterrence at all against Israel. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on November 13, 2017, 08:10:26 PM
40% of Lebanon is Christian too, they have positions of government that are reserved for specific religions. It used to be the strongest and oldest democracy in the region, it's the last few decades have really taken its toll on the place, especially as everyone has fucked with the place.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on November 14, 2017, 04:25:47 AM
Quote from: curly on November 13, 2017, 07:59:03 PM
Wouldn't it depend on who you're asking in Lebanon--are they Sunni or Shiite, are they pro- or anti-Hezbollah, is it Iran or Saudi Arabia that funds them? Does a middle ground exist? I should probably do more research on Lebanon before making claims, but my impression is that the country is so split on sectarian lines that a unified state is impossible and if Hezbollah were to disarm they'd have no deterrence at all against Israel.

Obviously. But the UN has called for the disarmament through resolutions and keep in mind the country has been embroiled in a vicious civil war along community lines in living memory. It's hard to believe having a paramilitary outfit beholden to a specific community and unanimously considered as the hand of foreign interests is healthy. The argument, used by President Aoun, that Hezbollah cannot be disarmed as long as the official security forces are too weak, seems a bit self defeating and circular.

Edit : not that there's a magic wand solution to the whole thing.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Valhelm on November 14, 2017, 04:56:34 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 13, 2017, 08:10:26 PM
40% of Lebanon is Christian too, they have positions of government that are reserved for specific religions. It used to be the strongest and oldest democracy in the region, it's the last few decades have really taken its toll on the place, especially as everyone has fucked with the place.

From what I understand, the most common attitude among Lebanese is that while Hezbollah is problematic, their existence defends Lebanon from imperialism and allows this democracy to persist. Similar attitudes were held about the Syrians during the 15 year occupation after the civil war. This is why Lebanon has amassed so much support among Christians and even Sunnis, and why their parliamentary March 8th Alliance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_8_Alliance) is mostly non-Shia.

Hezbollah's really impressive maneuvers during the 2006 Israeli invasion have gained them enormous credibility and harmed the reputation of the Lebanese army, a generally ineffective institution that has a history of collapsing whenever shit hits the fan.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: curly on November 14, 2017, 07:21:23 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on November 14, 2017, 04:25:47 AM

Obviously. But the UN has called for the disarmament through resolutions and keep in mind the country has been embroiled in a vicious civil war along community lines in living memory. It's hard to believe having a paramilitary outfit beholden to a specific community and unanimously considered as the hand of foreign interests is healthy. The argument, used by President Aoun, that Hezbollah cannot be disarmed as long as the official security forces are too weak, seems a bit self defeating and circular.

Edit : not that there's a magic wand solution to the whole thing.

I agree that in a perfect world Hezbollah acting as a state within a state is probably a bad idea, but is there presence actually what's destabilizing Lebanon at the moment? The articles I've read discussing the possibility of war in Lebanon say it's unlikely in large part because Hezbollah is so entrenched and there really isn't any force within Lebanon that can possibly confront them on equal terms.

Basically, it would be good if Lebanon wasn't dominated by foreign interests using the country as a staging ground for a regional cold war, but as long as it is it's better to have one side in control militarily rather than a free-for-all.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: deepest throat on November 14, 2017, 07:29:12 PM
australia voted yes for same sex marriage

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/nov/15/australia-says-yes-to-same-sex-marriage-in-historic-postal-survey

it was non binding and the conservatives are already trying to kick the can down the road by winding back anti-discrimination laws (including giving doctors the right to deny healthcare to gay couples) but there should be more than enough support in the parliament to hopefully get things done by christmas
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Corporal on November 14, 2017, 07:32:15 PM
Fuck yea, Straya! Nice one.

...

So, now that the EU has started the long and arduous task of standardising army procurement, R&D and training of specialists, it's time for a certain part of our populace to freak the flip out because it's clear that we will have an EU army under Brussels control within the next year, a major war against insurgents in Great Britain under the guise of peacekeeping, and general tyrannical rule of EU under direct control of Germany, with the aid of France.

Yikes. We Krauts better get around to cloning Hitler and giving him some body armour, otherwise allied forces won't have anything to shoot at when they come back for another world liberation tour. Seems like we've fallen behind schedule.

As much as I'm going blind from excessive eye rolling, can someone hook me up with a reasoned and plausible argument why this recent cooperation is a bad thing? I'm always up for broadening my horizons. So far I've only come across nebulous "bureaucracy" horror scenarios and such that only work because their proponent firmly believes that everything that can go wrong will go wrong as long as it is even vaguely connected to EU.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on November 15, 2017, 02:05:23 AM
Quote from: Corporal on November 14, 2017, 07:32:15 PM
Fuck yea, Straya! Nice one.

...

So, now that the EU has started the long and arduous task of standardising army procurement, R&D and training of specialists, it's time for a certain part of our populace to freak the flip out because it's clear that we will have an EU army under Brussels control within the next year, a major war against insurgents in Great Britain under the guise of peacekeeping, and general tyrannical rule of EU under direct control of Germany, with the aid of France.

Yikes. We Krauts better get around to cloning Hitler and giving him some body armour, otherwise allied forces won't have anything to shoot at when they come back for another world liberation tour. Seems like we've fallen behind schedule.

As much as I'm going blind from excessive eye rolling, can someone hook me up with a reasoned and plausible argument why this recent cooperation is a bad thing? I'm always up for broadening my horizons. So far I've only come across nebulous "bureaucracy" horror scenarios and such that only work because their proponent firmly believes that everything that can go wrong will go wrong as long as it is even vaguely connected to EU.

Muh national identity.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on November 15, 2017, 05:22:58 AM
(https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2017/02/20/gettyimages-630141672-66563b7e053062901b723c2055085451350759b9-s900-c85.jpg)
MUGABE WILL STILL BE PRESIDENT AFTER ALL OF THIS. EVEN IF HE IS DEAD, HIS CORPSE WILL BE PRESIDENT. THAT IS HOW MUCH ZIMBABWE LOVES MUGABE.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on November 15, 2017, 09:17:06 AM
I was gonna post there was a military Coup in Zimbabwe. They very ostensibly say they've gone after all of the bad ministers and that Mugabe is safe.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on November 15, 2017, 12:52:46 PM
Saad Hariri probably to fly in with his family to France.

Edit : invited by Macron.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Valhelm on November 15, 2017, 02:42:43 PM
Quote from: curly on November 14, 2017, 07:21:23 PM
I agree that in a perfect world Hezbollah acting as a state within a state is probably a bad idea, but is there presence actually what's destabilizing Lebanon at the moment? The articles I've read discussing the possibility of war in Lebanon say it's unlikely in large part because Hezbollah is so entrenched and there really isn't any force within Lebanon that can possibly confront them on equal terms.

Basically, it would be good if Lebanon wasn't dominated by foreign interests using the country as a staging ground for a regional cold war, but as long as it is it's better to have one side in control militarily rather than a free-for-all.

Lebanon's demographics mean it will basically be a flashpoint for Middle Eastern conflicts as long as Saudi Arabia, Israel, Iran continue to be the dominant regional powers.
It's just frankly much better for the Lebanese if Iranian interests are dominant, when the alternative is their control by the US-Saudi-Israeli alliance that hates them.

Previous proxy administrations have been substantially more brutal than Hezbollah, who despite being called "the party of god" are genuinely more pluralistic and progressive than other viable forces in the government. That doesn't mean Hezbollah is not plagued by very worrisome problems like antisemtism and homophobia that are common to most Muslim political groups.

Hezbollah is very imperfect, but more able to protect and administer Lebanon as a pluralistic democracy than other extant parties. As foreign onlookers, we should critically support them for the same reasons that we support Hillary versus Trump or Macron versus Le Pen.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on November 15, 2017, 03:16:10 PM
#NotAllImperialisms

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I'm on the shitter at work plz don't be offended by the drive by post.
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on November 15, 2017, 03:45:03 PM
Quote from: Valhelm on November 15, 2017, 02:42:43 PM
As foreign onlookers, we should critically support them for the same reasons that we support Hillary versus Trump or Macron versus Le Pen.
what's this "we" shit :bolo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Valhelm on November 15, 2017, 03:46:02 PM
Honestly I don't think Iran's behavior really fits any definition of imperialism. They're supporting allied governments in Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon but... every country does that? Iran's only interventions have been to back-up their allies in civil wars, with the exception of Afghanistan... when they invaded to fight the Taliban alongside the US and the Northern Alliance.

Saudi's argument that they're fighting Iranian imperialism in Yemen is laughable. Yemenis overthrew their Saudi-backed, Western-backed government because they were tired of being treated as subhumans. The Houthis really are not Iranian proxies (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/05/16/contrary-to-popular-belief-houthis-arent-iranian-proxies/?utm_term=.a29222b5f8ca), but rather recognize that Iranian support is the best possible avenue to break away from the Saudi yoke.

In many ways, Iran is a substantially less ethical country than the US or even Israel. But foreign policy ain't one of them.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on November 15, 2017, 03:47:31 PM
Mugabe is officially under house arrest now. I wonder if they're waiting to see if he dies without them having to do it.

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HE WILL DENY THEM, THE PEOPLE WILL KEEP HIM ALIVE FOREVER
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on November 15, 2017, 03:50:28 PM
Looking up his age I came across this from a couple years ago:
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Robert Mugabe will continue as President of Zimbabwe until he is 100, governing from a “special wheelchair”, his wife has said.

Grace Mugabe, herself a cabinet minister, said in a speech over the weekend that while the 91-year-old’s mind might be willing, increasingly his body may not be. According to reports in the Zimbabwean press, Mr Mugabe has recently had trouble walking, as his advanced years begin to catch up with him.

“We are going to create a special wheelchair for President Mugabe until he rules to 100 years, because that is what we want,” Mrs Mugabe said. “That is the people’s choice. We want a leader that respects us.”

The people will get the chance to voice their opinion in 2018 when Zimbabwe next goes to the polls to decide who rules them. Mr Mugabe, who has suffered a number of embarrassing public stumbles in recent months, has already been declared as the Zanu-PF candidate despite the fact that he will be 94 at the time of the election. Mr Mugabe has been President in Harare since 1980.

Mrs Mugabe did not give details about quite how the wheelchair would be special, but vowed to push it herself
A SPECIAL WHEELCHAIR SHE WOULD PUSH HERSELF :lawd

The story also provided this ignorant attack on the people of Zimbabwe:
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Should he win, he will not be able to seek another term.
Western media fools do not understand how true democracy works!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Valhelm on November 15, 2017, 03:51:28 PM
NYT, 2134: "Do the protests in Harare suggest God-Lich Mugabe is about to go?"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 15, 2017, 04:09:15 PM
https://twitter.com/FridhKleberg/status/930694367148412928
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 15, 2017, 09:45:49 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 15, 2017, 04:09:15 PM
https://twitter.com/FridhKleberg/status/930694367148412928

https://twitter.com/FridhKleberg/status/930699390020456454

:lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on November 17, 2017, 10:17:54 PM
SAD NEWS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok58IoANCDY

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Acre !
3 hours ago
I am so saddened. One less free nation. This truly breaks my heart.

But we must recognize the past and apply our experiences to the future. Negotiations and compromise, as proven today, must be rejected at all costs, as it will only allow the capitalists to regain or at least attempt to regain power.

May the Zimbabwean people believe the truth of socialism, and may they fight for freedom, following the footsteps of Mugabe all those years ago. Zimbabwe needs a revolution, and it is coming. Maybe next year, maybe next decade, maybe half a century. But it is coming. The Zimbabwean people are smart and they are class conscious. Once the material conditions arise, they will fight. And they will win. This is not a matter of if, but instead of when.

Long Live Robert Mugabe!

Long Live Zimbabwe and its people!

Long Live Marxism-Leninism!
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S. Bakyhnh
3 hours ago
Long live Robert Mugabe!

Fuck the neo-colonialist coup!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Valhelm on November 18, 2017, 02:34:44 AM
unruhe is our alex jones
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on November 18, 2017, 02:39:18 AM
Alex Jones is popular and has fans who buy his wares :ufup
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Valhelm on November 18, 2017, 02:43:56 AM
jason unruhe would sell tshirts if that didn't mean he would go to maoist hell
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on November 18, 2017, 09:07:51 AM
how dare you belittle his most infamous tracts
(https://i.imgur.com/srHUL9T.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/aJlFoiU.jpg)

not to mention his timely and extraordinary relevant and original work:
(https://i.imgur.com/EU03M43.jpg)

and his most important work of all:
(https://i.imgur.com/KAmKlk0.jpg)
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The author of several books, Trevor Loudon has laid “A Challenge to All Liberals, Progressives, and RINOs, Who STILL Believe Obama is NOT a Communist”. Loudon compiled a stack of evidence that is supposed to prove that Barack Obama is in fact a communist. His challenge is to anyone to disprove what he gives. This is exactly what I do here and I await the removal of his book.

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we have an award winning and totally legit Maoist Rebel News Fan Thread that sometimes gets used as an all purpose place to post random other Marxist/Communist themed videos: http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=43800.0

i warn you however we are first and foremost a Bob Avakian new synthesis enthusiast forum when it comes to Marxist politics
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on November 18, 2017, 11:54:36 AM
Mugabe's statement is forthcoming. Please be patient. Every new call to step down is only making the statement takes longer.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: jorma on November 18, 2017, 12:49:30 PM
I'm really curious about Trevors challenge defeated.

What is the angle of this book from Unruhe? Is it "fuck no that liberal shill is in no way a glorious communist"? Because that would make sense.

Or is it  "no way Obama is a commie, he is legit as fuck!" which would be super weird coming from a Marxist.
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Post by: team filler on November 18, 2017, 08:18:59 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/XV8zNP2.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on November 19, 2017, 06:54:57 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/HOcMFyz.png)
STILL D.R.E.
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Post by: chronovore on November 19, 2017, 07:28:47 PM
Quote from: filler on November 18, 2017, 08:18:59 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/XV8zNP2.jpg)

 Where ever that fan artist is, I hope he’s happy: he probably just got that woman killed.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on November 20, 2017, 04:33:32 AM
Quote from: Corporal on November 14, 2017, 07:32:15 PM
Fuck yea, Straya! Nice one.

...

So, now that the EU has started the long and arduous task of standardising army procurement, R&D and training of specialists, it's time for a certain part of our populace to freak the flip out because it's clear that we will have an EU army under Brussels control within the next year, a major war against insurgents in Great Britain under the guise of peacekeeping, and general tyrannical rule of EU under direct control of Germany, with the aid of France.

Yikes. We Krauts better get around to cloning Hitler and giving him some body armour, otherwise allied forces won't have anything to shoot at when they come back for another world liberation tour. Seems like we've fallen behind schedule.

As much as I'm going blind from excessive eye rolling, can someone hook me up with a reasoned and plausible argument why this recent cooperation is a bad thing? I'm always up for broadening my horizons. So far I've only come across nebulous "bureaucracy" horror scenarios and such that only work because their proponent firmly believes that everything that can go wrong will go wrong as long as it is even vaguely connected to EU.

I'm a bit late but the net swallowed an earlier answer :
- Firstly any effort directed to "European defence" is less done on national security. It's not just investments, since there's talks of trying to set up an early integrated command. The end goal is clearly to create the backbone of an European army. It's of course a deep no-no for any nationalist or anyone concerned with sovereignty, a rather large demographic.
- Even without the ideological argument, one can be doubtful that transferring even parts of such a sensitive subject from clear, defined polities to a group of 23 (IIRC) countries is really conductive of any efficiency. It's unworkable to decide any real military action (a war can only be prosecuted with strong political resolve and direction) -though we're still not there- and may cause issues in deciding allocation and procurement. Past European efforts in the matter (including some industrial collaborations, look at some of the Franco-British warplane failures) were not all a success.
- There will be friction with regard to the US defence contractors, who supply quite a few European countries and in some case are embedded (in Great Britain, notably).

There's also other considerations (the rift of views of the use of projecting power between France and Germany, Brexit which is both a blessing and a curse...) at play.

It's probably needed to step up European defence funding to the continental level if only for economies of scale, but those need a very firm hand. Ideally we want a new AMCT, not a repeat of the ECD. But the former was only achieved in the most gruesome of wartime and height of necessity.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Rufus on November 20, 2017, 05:55:22 AM
Turns out forming a government with three parties is difficult. Woops. I don't know what the FDP in particular hopes to gain out of a 2nd round of voting. If their obstinacy pays off, I'm going to be annoyed. "Taking responsibility", my ass. I doubt the SPD can be persuaded to put a gun to their head another time and something tells me Merkel isn't going to form a minority government with only the Greens. :shaq2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: desert punk on November 20, 2017, 06:24:46 AM
Hardly anyone is really gonna believe that the Neoliberals broke off the negotiations for any other reason than the vanity of their preening leadership. They’re not going to gain much from another election anyway. It’ll just be further proof to some that the establishment is neither willing nor able to govern. They’ll lose votes to the New Right; the same will happen to the other parties on the negotiating table, particularly Merkel and her Conservatives.

I’d actually be happy about these results if there wasn’t a nationalist and proto-fascist party profiting from it. I’m afraid there won’t be any gains for the Social Democrats.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Rufus on November 20, 2017, 06:30:01 AM
Quote from: desert punk on November 20, 2017, 06:24:46 AM
It’ll just be further proof to some that the establishment is neither willing nor able to govern.
Ironically enough, Lindner has made a similar point in the past, only to take his ball and go home. :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Corporal on November 20, 2017, 07:57:39 AM
Lindner made it a point to put the SPD on full blast for not foregoing their principles and doing another GroKo (Great Coalition between SPD and CDU/CSU). It's hilarious. He absolutely did not want to get into power.

However, I can see the FDP gaining just as many voters that they lose for this stupid chicken race by harvesting votes off the right fringe of the political spectrum that have very much understood that the FDP was the key annoyance in the fugitives debate, beyond even the fucking CSU. That takes some doing. It's like out-Trump-ing Trump.

I pity Schulz. If we really get another election, he's gonna get fired out of a cannon into the sun. And he's probably gonna climb into the cannon and pull the trigger by himself if the party isn't quick enough.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: desert punk on November 20, 2017, 10:49:09 AM
Quote from: Corporal on November 20, 2017, 07:57:39 AM
However, I can see the FDP gaining just as many voters that they lose for this stupid chicken race by harvesting votes off the right fringe of the political spectrum that have very much understood that the FDP was the key annoyance in the fugitives debate, beyond even the fucking CSU. That takes some doing. It's like out-Trump-ing Trump.

Maybe the Liberals will keep the votes they stole from the Conservative voting bloc, and perhaps even gain a little on account of Merkel's weakness. But if anything, I think it's more likely that they're gonna lose a junk of those votes thanks to those silly orchestrated dramatics during the negotiations.

People who once gave them their votes on account of them being a more "acceptable" choice than the AfD, are not going to be fooled forever by those phony thespians, who only accelerated their populist agenda, when they already knew they were going to ditch the talks.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on November 20, 2017, 08:25:27 PM
Another good day in Brexit land.

The European Medicines Agency will relocate to Amsterdam.
The European Banking Agency will relocate to Paris.
David, tweet if you're OK.


Barnier once again made it clear that UK banks will lose their EU passporting rights.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Brehvolution on November 21, 2017, 10:04:50 AM
bu bu bu bu immigration
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Corporal on November 21, 2017, 08:41:23 PM
I'm kinda bummed that the two agencies went to "established" European members instead of being used as a shot in the arm for faltering members. Would have been neat, at least philosophically.

I do somewhat enjoy the fact that Frankfurt got omgwtfbbq'd rather out of the blue.

EBA dodged a bullet there. Who'd want to live and work in Frankfurt. Well, besides Frankfurters. ;)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on November 21, 2017, 11:18:38 PM
You're saying we should move the European Banking Agency to Greece I think is what you're saying.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on November 22, 2017, 05:38:37 AM
Mugabe gives his resignation, Hariri suspends his now that he's in Beyrouth.
Also a North Korean soldier crossed the border to defect, under a hail of bullets (video of the incident exists, captured by the UN from the southern side of the DMZ). He was gravely injured (regained consciousness now). The interesting bit is that South Korean doctors studied his parasites and stomach worms to get an idea of the food situation up north and corroborate the rest of the evidence. Reuters has the reporting : In short it isn't great (duh). Apparently NK has switched to corn over rice as the prime import for food. Many worms long eradicated in SK were found. Others suggest that NK is heavily reliant on the traditional use of feces to help grow vegetables. The man wasn't well-fed by any standard.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: HardcoreRetro on November 23, 2017, 11:51:16 AM
Wilders'll surely be the person to bring back a more neutral and unbiased outlook on Russia.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Valhelm on November 23, 2017, 12:45:18 PM
Some kind of coup attempt in rebel-held eastern Ukraine. One of the rebel republicans (Donetsk) apparently tried to intervene in the other republic (Luhansk) and install a former Luhansk rebel leader who had previously been fired for corruption. Now Luhansk is apparently releasing anti-Russian, anti-Donetsk statements.

https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/933381919055794176

Because both these groups are heavily supported by Russia, this is kind of a big deal. I don't know if Luhansk can survive without heavy financial and material support from Russia. If they can't cooperate with their neighbors in Donetsk this one group of Donbass rebels might just get themselves a full-on Russian invasion.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on November 24, 2017, 07:39:07 PM
Jesus Sweet Christ at the horrible attack on a mosque in Egypt.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Syph on November 24, 2017, 09:40:32 PM
Saudi crown prince calls Iran's supreme leader 'new Hitler' (https://www.yahoo.com/news/saudi-crown-prince-calls-irans-supreme-leader-hitler-112448336.html)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Valhelm on November 24, 2017, 10:15:29 PM
Huh. New Zimbabwean leadership is seeking to compensate white farmers whose land was confiscated after the anticolonial revolution.

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/934020205725888514/video/1

I'm not sure if this is a good idea. The Zimbabweans are definitely hoping to improve their country's image and spur Western investment, but these payments will be a real strain on their economy and are no indication that things will get better. This kind of move could also burn bridges with China, who are trying very hard to position themselves as an alternative development opportunity for African nations that feel burned by the West.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on November 25, 2017, 05:59:02 AM
Quote from: Valhelm on November 24, 2017, 10:15:29 PM
Huh. New Zimbabwean leadership is seeking to compensate white farmers whose land was confiscated after the anticolonial revolution.

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/934020205725888514/video/1

I'm not sure if this is a good idea. The Zimbabweans are definitely hoping to improve their country's image and spur Western investment, but these payments will be a real strain on their economy and are no indication that things will get better. This kind of move could also burn bridges with China, who are trying very hard to position themselves as an alternative development opportunity for African nations that feel burned by the West.

That's not new. Mugabe kickstarted it a couple of years ago. Ever since white farmers got kicked out, it all turned to shit. There should definitely be a UN overseeing committee to make sure the situation improves and no party gets awfully screwed (or worse), if only to restore the country's economy and production asap.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on November 25, 2017, 06:46:38 AM
So he's gonna be the one to drive Israelis back to the shores ? Didn't know Saudi Arabia was so sympathetic to them.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Coax on November 25, 2017, 06:50:35 AM
Quote from: Dufus on November 25, 2017, 06:39:20 AM
(http://www.thebore.com/forum/Smileys/default/comeon.png)

Hold on... apparently wrapping images in move tags re-enables img width which broke recently :wtf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Coax on November 25, 2017, 09:25:54 AM
Discovered that if you wrap images (any number of them) within a font tag it too acts as a workaround for the bug and the width will display correctly.

(https://i.imgur.com/I1CWw1n.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on November 26, 2017, 08:29:08 AM
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Robert Mugabe and his wife will receive a “golden handshake” worth many millions of dollars as part of a deal negotiated before the resignation of the ageing autocrat last week. The exact sums to be paid to the former president and his wife Grace are still unclear, though one senior ruling party official with direct knowledge of the agreement said the total would not be less than $10m.

The official said that Mugabe, who has been granted immunity from prosecution and a guarantee that no action will be taken against his family’s extensive business interests, would receive a “cash payment of $5m” immediately, with more paid in coming months.

The 93-year-old’s $150,000 salary will also be paid until his death. The 52-year-old first lady, reviled for her extravagance and greed, will then receive half that amount for the rest of her life.

Mugabe’s 37-year rule left Zimbabwe with a worthless currency, massive debts, an impoverished population and an estimated unemployment rate of more than 80%. Roads are rutted, many rural communities have no electricity, education is basic and healthcare almost non-existent. A life expectancy of 60 is one of the lowest in the world.

The first couple will be able to remain in their sprawling mansion known as the Blue Roof, in Harare. The state will pay for their medical care, domestic staff, security and foreign travel.
America could learn something about rewarding its sacrificing and humble public servants from this example. America must prove its place among great nations by also immediately granting immunity to the Trump family and its business interests.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Valhelm on November 26, 2017, 04:55:49 PM
Whoa whoa it seems like the YPG is in talks for their territory to be coordinated into Syria as an autonomous province under local socialist control. This is probably the best possible outcome for the folks in Rojava.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on November 26, 2017, 07:00:00 PM
No it's not, because that autonomous region will come into conflict with Turkey, not to mention Kurdistan will want to unify. I think that's best in the long run but I don't know if it will be drama free.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Corporal on November 26, 2017, 07:41:25 PM
Oh boy, just what the region needs, the Turks going on a rampage and starting more shit with the Kurds. Erdogan probably splooges his pants at the thought.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Syph on November 26, 2017, 10:17:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n40tm2P374w
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Rufus on November 27, 2017, 03:16:38 AM
That's pretty much a tl;dr of all right-wing populism of this decade.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: archnemesis on November 27, 2017, 03:22:16 AM
The populist right-wing Sweden Democrats are currently losing support, but they have successfully forced all the other parties to take a harder stance on immigration and asylum.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Syph on November 27, 2017, 04:03:01 AM
Quote from: archnemesis on November 27, 2017, 03:22:16 AM
The populist right-wing Sweden Democrats are currently losing support, but they have successfully forced all the other parties to take a harder stance on immigration and asylum.
election is still almost a year away...it's fucked to say but who knows what terror attacks will happen before then (and when), which could have a big effect. But yes, they have recently dipped to 3rd, but they're fluctuating between that and 2nd.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Syph on November 27, 2017, 05:14:32 PM
1 step forward, 2 giant steps back

Gender-based insults to become a legal offence, says Macron (http://www.france24.com/en/20171125-macron-announces-new-initiative-combat-sexual-violence-harassment-france)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 27, 2017, 06:17:18 PM
But can you still make fun of the French for being French?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on November 27, 2017, 11:46:48 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on November 27, 2017, 06:17:18 PM
But can you still make fun of the French for being French?

Mods pls
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 28, 2017, 04:11:59 AM
Glad to see Brexit is grinding to a standstill over Ireland, how is it possible the UK government promised "no custom union, no single market, no hard border" and people believed it? Now there is something no amount of talk can fix,these things cannot be combined. It's impossible.

It's akin to believing the virgin Mary got pregnant by the holy spirit.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/27/irish-question-save-britain-brexit-leo-varadkar
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Valhelm on November 28, 2017, 04:38:49 PM
Quote from: Shostakovich on November 26, 2017, 07:00:00 PM
No it's not, because that autonomous region will come into conflict with Turkey, not to mention Kurdistan will want to unify. I think that's best in the long run but I don't know if it will be drama free.

Autonomous province, not independent nation-state. If this plan is carried out to completion, northern Syria would have situation similar to the Kurdish Regional Government in Iraq. This means that local laws would apply for the most part, but they'd still be part of Syria. In times of major crisis (like a Turkish invasion), the Syrian Arab Army is obligated to intervene.

Big difference between this situation and Iraq is that Syrian Kurds have a democratic secular government built upon libertarian socialist principles, while the Iraqi Kurdish government is an unaccountable racket dominated by the Barzani family.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Syph on November 28, 2017, 08:04:32 PM
Finance minister's nasty fight with Opposition over ethics spills out of the House of Commons (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/morneau-legal-shares-1.4423056)

 :neogaf Morneau btfo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 29, 2017, 04:07:16 PM
Quote from: Syph on November 27, 2017, 05:14:32 PM
1 step forward, 2 giant steps back

Gender-based insults to become a legal offence, says Macron (http://www.france24.com/en/20171125-macron-announces-new-initiative-combat-sexual-violence-harassment-france)

What a cunt.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Syph on November 30, 2017, 03:31:31 PM
Quote from: Syph on November 28, 2017, 08:04:32 PM
Finance minister's nasty fight with Opposition over ethics spills out of the House of Commons (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/morneau-legal-shares-1.4423056)

 :neogaf Morneau btfo
cya nerd

Bill Morneau’s father sold 200K shares in family company days before capital gains tax boost announced (https://globalnews.ca/news/3889576/bill-morneaus-father-sold-200k-shares-capital-gains-tax/)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Syph on November 30, 2017, 05:02:14 PM
Pew Research: Europe’s Growing Muslim Population (http://www.pewforum.org/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim-population/)

I know most people don't have time to read the full 50+ page report, so here's an article with 5 takeaways:

5 facts about the Muslim population in Europe (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/11/29/5-facts-about-the-muslim-population-in-europe/)

few excerpts that jump out:

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" By 2050, the share of the continent’s population that is Muslim could more than double, rising to 11.2% or more, depending on how much migration is allowed into Europe. Even in the unlikely event that future migration is permanently halted, the Muslim population still would rise to an estimated 7.4%, due to the relative youth and high fertility rates of Europe’s current Muslim residents."
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"In 2016, the median age of Muslims throughout Europe was 30.4, 13 years younger than the median for other Europeans (43.8 ). Looking at it another way, 50% of all European Muslims are under the age of 30, compared with 32% of non-Muslims in Europe. In addition, the average Muslim woman in Europe is expected to have 2.6 children, a full child more than the average non-Muslim woman (1.6 children)."
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Rufus on November 30, 2017, 05:23:33 PM
 :omg
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: desert punk on November 30, 2017, 06:39:30 PM
We'll be okay. There's not going to be a pan-European caliphate or anything.

Things will only go down the shitter if people take projections like these at face value and start freaking out.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on December 01, 2017, 03:53:49 AM
11.2%? That's almost as large of share of the population as black people in the United States.

 :hitler
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: zepblackstar on December 02, 2017, 09:05:03 AM
 :o :o :o


https://twitter.com/MiddleEastEye/status/935201052361674753
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on December 02, 2017, 09:39:18 AM
I mean, "we cannot shoulder all of world's misery" or however the idiom is translated in English is pretty standard across European politicians.
Macron has a few similar rough quips on various subjects and he seems it's part of the "honesty" package.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 02, 2017, 02:43:24 PM
to be fair though, why would there be an asylum seeker from morocco

no war or nothing there im aware off
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Syph on December 02, 2017, 05:36:03 PM
bad optics or good this week? the overton window shifts weekly in france, I can't keep up sometimes
hmm i wonder why the gulf countries don't take all those muslim refugees and why that isn't a bigger topic of discussion :thinkingemoji:
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Syph on December 02, 2017, 10:43:15 PM
great interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpFUvfAvKs4
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on December 03, 2017, 07:03:44 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/28/the-true-story-of-the-fake-us-embassy-in-ghana
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For a decade, the story went, there had been a fake US embassy in the Ghanaian capital. The fraudsters behind it had flown the American flag from their building and even hung a portrait of Barack Obama on the wall. The criminal network behind the scam had advertised on billboards and prowled the most remote villages of west Africa, searching for gullible customers. They brought them to Accra, and sold them visas for as much as $6,000 (Ł4,495).

...

According to a US state department statement, which had been published in early November, the fake embassy was operated by “figures from both Ghanaian and Turkish organized crime rings and a Ghanaian attorney practicing immigration and criminal law”. The American authorities supplied a picture of an old, two-storey pink building with a tin roof, originally captioned: “The exterior of the fake embassy in Accra, Ghana.” The caption was later changed to: “One of several buildings used by the disrupted fraud ring.”

Reuters reported that the Americans, with the help of the Ghana Detectives Bureau, had raided the fake embassy. Several people were arrested, and officials seized 150 passports from 10 different countries. The Ghanaian police did not distinguish themselves. The conmen eluded them long enough to move the operation out of Ghana, and get their associates out on bail. But, the US state department said, the number of fraudulent documents coming from west Africa had gone down by 70% as a result of this and other raids, and “criminal leaders no longer have the political cover they once had”.

The fake embassy became a sensation largely because the story was so predictably familiar. The Africans were scammers. The victims were desperate and credulous. The local police officers were bumbling idiots. Countless officials were paid off. And at the end, the Americans swooped in and saved the day. There was only one problem with the story: it wasn’t true.
:trumps


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Like everyone else, the director wanted to know about Sewornu’s bust. “I was receiving a lot of calls,” Sewornu said when we met earlier this year in an open-air restaurant near the police headquarters in Accra. “A reporter from BBC called me, a CNN reporter called me. The Ghanaian media houses were all calling to find out. I got calls from other police officers.” The US state department story had said that the scammers had also been running a fake Dutch embassy, so the Dutch called, too.

Sewornu was stumped. He knew nothing about any investigations into a fake embassy. He tried to find out which officers had been involved, but the police unit credited by the Americans, the Ghana Detectives Bureau, didn’t exist. Ghana’s national Swat unit, the CID and the Bureau of National Investigation all told Sewornu that they weren’t involved either.

It didn’t make any sense. The entire story seemed to be based on one source: the US state department website. And their source was the US embassy in Accra. “So I called the American embassy to find out, and my contact said: ‘I don’t know anything about it,’” said Sewornu.
:trumps :trumps

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When the Americans announced that her house was a fake US embassy, Lamptey was one of the last to hear about it. A friend called to say it was all over the internet, she said. “I was really annoyed. Because how? And from where?”

Lamptey said there had never been a police raid. Instead, after the story broke, she and the family marched down to the local police station to find out whether they were really under investigation. The cops told them there was nothing to worry about.

In the days after the story was published – and in the following months – Lamptey was plagued by journalists, all asking the same questions about her alleged life of crime. She has denied everything, every single time. In response to her denials, the US embassy doubled down on its story. “We cannot speculate at this time what has occurred at that building after the initial raid,” the US press attache told Ghanaian reporters in December 2016. “The photo used in the online article is of the building the criminal enterprise used to conduct their fraud operations.”

When we met, Lamptey still couldn’t understand why anyone had believed the story. Look at this place, she said. “If there was an American embassy for 10 years in this house, by now everybody would be in America!”
thank god they shut it down then :brazilcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on December 03, 2017, 07:17:03 AM
Thanks Obama.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on December 03, 2017, 04:41:11 PM
Quote from: Premium Lager on December 02, 2017, 02:43:24 PM
to be fair though, why would there be an asylum seeker from morocco

no war or nothing there im aware off

It's not the worst monarchy but it's not exactly a free and open political society either.

Quote from: Syph on December 02, 2017, 05:36:03 PM
bad optics or good this week? the overton window shifts weekly in france, I can't keep up sometimes
hmm i wonder why the gulf countries don't take all those muslim refugees and why that isn't a bigger topic of discussion :thinkingemoji:

I missed quite a few media cycles but I don't think most people give a rat's ass. There's more talk of Macron's visit to Africa and his one man show at Ouagadougou university (look it up, I'm sure an english outlet picked it up) as far as those things go. His position is not exactly controversial. Besides opposition parties in France are in total shambles and even the far left Insoumis are struggling despite the labor reforms in fact Mélenchon apparently had a bit of a meltdown over Venezuela on TV when confronted by Laurence Debray, the daughter of Venezuelian scholar Elizabeth Burgos and French writer Régis Debray -yes, the one who was a Che Guevara companion-. She's apparently pro-Macron and a liberal but still, you know, you can't just handwave her pedigree or her familiarity with Latin America. Besides the reform front is pretty busy at the moment. Domestic political headlines currently are more :

- The reform of public education : they're dropping the reform from the former administration that tried to get less days on the schedule in schools (all studies and observers agree that French education has burdened schedules for kids with no added efficiency and that it reproduces social inequalities instead of decreasing it) and the government trying to fix the national system managing the affectation to universities for students (last summer several thousands were left without any university to attend).

- The debate over the Glyphosat and the new formula of the Levothyrox (for Thyroid afflictions) which seems to provoke heavy negative effects for its users (though doctors don't agree whether they're nocebo rections and if it even matters). 3 millions people consume it in France and it's apparently the only product (or quasi) on the market. Merck still produces the old formula in France but it's all shipped to Italy and a class action is incoming.

- The upcoming reform of the national programs for labor training and apprenticeship. Basically every French employee is paying a share of his wages for professional training (alongside pensions and healthcare) and is entitled to total or partial funding to learn new skills every so often. It's filled to the nostrils with money and as you can imagine there's a cottage industry of licenced formation offices vying for subsidized courses, but the results for overall worker polyvalence leave to be desired (France notably has a tense labor market for heavy industry jobs, which are having a big rebound while specialized education is struggling to graduate enough people for a variety of reasons). Alongside with labor law and pensions, it forms the compact that is arguably the second huge french clusterfuck (with education) with tons of layers including the unions having a major say in any change.

- The planned decrease of the corporate tax cut down to 25%.

- Also the Montparnasse Railway Station, one of the major Paris railway hub (all express lines to the West and Southwest, including Nantes, Bordeaux & Toulouse) has suddenly had to shutdown all traffic (excluding public transport) at midday until tomorrow, stranding thousands  after a bug crashed the new control system for remote signalization. The station already had a 3 days improvised shutdown in August for another technical issue. The SNCF, hardly the most popular among users or seen in a good light with delays, is taking another round of heavy fire from the government for this.

To give you an idea of the common man issues here.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on December 03, 2017, 06:05:48 PM
Other key topics : The French soccer team was picked in a very favorable group for the next World Cup held in USSR; the Tennis team won its tenth Davis Cup after many years of falling short; the rugby team is not doing great at all but we'll host the 2023 World Cup; the most iconic french rockstar Johnny Hallyday is in critical medical state.

And snow.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on December 04, 2017, 11:25:46 AM
Former Yemeni president Saleh killed.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-yemen-security/yemens-ex-president-saleh-shot-dead-after-switching-sides-in-civil-war-idUKKBN1DY135
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on December 04, 2017, 02:55:03 PM
Brexit shitshow, Episode 67.

Today was an important deadline, for the UK and EU to sit down and talk about negotiations progress on key issues, in order to possibly move on to the next step.

It all started well with May conceding that a hard border between the RoI and NI will not happen, meaning that for all intents and purposes NI would still be part of the EU.
Well, that was until the leader of the DUP (ultra-conservative garbage-tier NI party who got 10 MP seats at the last snap election, with which May had to ally if she wanted to stay in power) said "nope" because they don't won't to "be separated from the UK".

So May backpedaled, the EU is like "well fuck you then" and the Irish MP is like "what the actual fuck" :lol


(https://i.imgur.com/iP42wHz.gif)


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Valhelm on December 04, 2017, 03:34:35 PM
holy fuck this Yemeni situation is crazy. Saleh was not just the former president -- he was the de facto leader of all parts of Yemen not controlled by occupying Saudi forces.

Because the country's been groaning under a Saudi assault for almost three years and is totally blockaded, millions are starving (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-n-aid-groups-warn-starvation-death-yemen-n818956) and a million more have been stricken with cholera. (https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/oct/12/yemen-cholera-outbreak-worst-in-history-1-million-cases-by-end-of-year) Because so few journalists or observers are able to enter Yemen, the true human cost of Saudi aggression is mostly unknown. Only the resolve of the Yemenis and the incompetence of the Saudis has prevented the country from being totally overrun.

A couple days ago, Saleh decided enough was enough. The country has been so ravaged and depleted that it's hard to know for how much longer the Yemenis can survive. Without the consent of the Houthi militia that makes up the majority his armed forces, Saleh tried to make some kind of deal with the Saudis to end the war immediately. This was seen as a betrayal by the Houthis, who seem to be less interested in short-term peace and more concerned with their long-term survival. So members of the Houthis killed him.

Anything could happen now. We don't even know who's in charge of Saleh's former territory. Saudi puppet Hadi is demanding Yemenis turn against the Houthis in revenge for this killing, but because the Houthis are essentially the military of independent Yemen this isn't a likely scenario. On twitter I'm seeing reports of clashes between Houthis and Saleh loyalists, but because they've lost their paycheck and their leader I doubt these loyalists will put up much of a fight.

The Houthis may very well seize control of the whole Yemeni government apparatus and escalate the fight against the Saudis. This will probably lead to major Saudi counteroffensive and lots of bloody fighting. All we know for sure is that the Yemenis' suffering will not be over very soon.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Syph on December 04, 2017, 08:10:53 PM
wow
yemen is gonna be the new syria
and by "new", I mean anyone remotely dialed in has known about the conflict for years, but the major networks and therefore the public are only soon going to start caring
sad
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Valhelm on December 04, 2017, 09:04:06 PM
Libya is already the new Syria

It's great that people are aware of the horror show that nation has become, but I'm worried the new press attention could be used to justify another Western intervention that would fuck shit up further. There's a minute US infantry presence (http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/10/politics/trump-us-military-libya-strategy/index.html) in Libya already, and with recent awareness of the Libyan slave trade the DoD could pretty easily get congressional authorization to escalate this presence.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: HardcoreRetro on December 05, 2017, 04:10:52 AM
It's Sinterklaas in the Netherlands.

Happy black face day!

(https://static.webshopapp.com/shops/004119/files/001673266/piet-polyester-fluweel-luxe.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on December 05, 2017, 04:21:49 AM
Moar Brexit entertainment.

Sturgeon (Scotland's FM) and Khan (Mayor of London) have jumped on the NI train. "If they get special treatment, why wouldn't we too!".
Other voices are starting to raise in Westminster, saying "well we just might as well stay in the single market, Norway-style then".


The Welsch and Scottish Parliaments are not too happy about current plans to transfer decision making in some areas (especially farming) directly from Brussels to Westminster, and see it as a de facto power grab that would go against the principles of devolution.


This shit is amazing :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 05, 2017, 05:04:17 AM
I can't wrap my head around the DUP, Brexit and everything.

They want out of the EU and support May in Brexit, but they won't accept a border between the Irelands or between NI and the rest of the UK.

Ergo they want somehting that is actually impossible. One of the two has to happen with Brexit, or there can be no hard Brexit. If there is not hard Brexit then Brexit is a joke if the UK will be delegated to the status of Norway and Switserland, where they pay and obay the rules, but have no say  :lol

What a shit show.

And who called this? Everyone.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on December 05, 2017, 05:36:34 AM
David Cameron [laughs]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Corporal on December 05, 2017, 08:30:22 AM
Quote from: Raist on December 05, 2017, 05:36:34 AM
David Cameron [laughs]
If I remember correctly from the open mic incident during his last speech as a PM, it's more like [hums a tune from a TV show].

But yeah, everyone but the  Brexit nutters saw all of this coming. I'm amazed how many of those with a brain still absolutely insist in keeping calm and getting with it even now that the Project Fear angle has been dismantled and many if not all of the predictions are at the cusp of coming true.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: zomgee on December 05, 2017, 01:55:55 PM
Russia booted from the 2018 Olympics.

https://sports.yahoo.com/russia-banned-2018-winter-olympics-pyeongchang-183735604.html

SAD
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Valhelm on December 05, 2017, 04:08:35 PM
good for them but the IOC is still fucking awful
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Valhelm on December 05, 2017, 09:04:24 PM
trump did it, the absolute madman

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/05/world/middleeast/american-embassy-israel-trump-move.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on December 06, 2017, 12:59:23 AM
somewhere john kerry is crying
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Post by: benjipwns on December 06, 2017, 02:30:03 AM
Quote from: zomgee on December 05, 2017, 01:55:55 PM
Russia booted from the 2018 Olympics.

https://sports.yahoo.com/russia-banned-2018-winter-olympics-pyeongchang-183735604.html

SAD
they should hold their own winter olympics in Pyongyang with blackjack and hookers

wait, fuck, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendship_Games
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Post by: agrajag on December 06, 2017, 02:35:36 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on December 06, 2017, 02:30:03 AM
Quote from: zomgee on December 05, 2017, 01:55:55 PM
Russia booted from the 2018 Olympics.

https://sports.yahoo.com/russia-banned-2018-winter-olympics-pyeongchang-183735604.html

SAD
they should hold their own winter olympics in Pyongyang with blackjack and hookers

wait, fuck, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendship_Games

Has nothing on the Nazi Olympics of 1936.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_Summer_Olympics#Boycott_debate

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Reich Chancellor Adolf Hitler saw the Games as an opportunity to promote his government and ideals of racial supremacy and antisemitism, and the official Nazi party paper, the Völkischer Beobachter, wrote in the strongest terms that Jews should not be allowed to participate in the Games

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Jewish athletes from other countries (notably the US) seem to have been side-lined in order not to offend the Nazi regime.[6]

Those Nazis stooped to an almost Gamergate level of evil.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Valhelm on December 06, 2017, 11:56:31 AM
Quote from: Shostakovich on December 06, 2017, 12:59:23 AM
somewhere john kerry is crying

That little Kerry speech, (http://www.newsweek.com/israel-palestine-conflict-john-kerry-netanyahu-peace-716257) given weeks before Trump's inauguration, was probably the most courageous moment of the Obama administration. Using such frank language to address the Palestinian situation is a huge break from previous presidencies and a necessary step to identifying and rectifying the oppression of Palestinians.

Hopefully future Dem presidencies can turn this rhetoric into actually humanitarian policy.
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Post by: Raist on December 06, 2017, 03:24:35 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42249854

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The government has not carried out any impact assessments of leaving the EU on the UK economy, Brexit Secretary David Davis has told MPs.

Mr Davis said the usefulness of such assessments would be "near zero" because of the scale of change Brexit is likely to cause.

He said the government had produced a "sectoral analysis" of different industries but not a "forecast" of what would happen when the UK leaves the EU.


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Opposition MPs have been on the trail of the "Brexit impact assessments" for months. And when David Davis told them they didn't exist, they were quick to highlight some similar-sounding studies he had referred to in the past:

    October 2016, asked what assessment the government had made of the impact of Brexit on the economy: "We currently have in place an assessment of 51 sectors of the economy. We are looking at those one by one, but the aim at the end is that this will inform the negotiating approach so that no one gets hurt."
    December 2016, to the Brexit Committee: "We are in the midst of carrying out about 57 sets of analyses, each of which has implications for individual parts of 85% of the economy… everything except sectors that are not affected by international trade."
    February 2017, in a statement to MPs: "We continue to analyse the impact of our exit across the breadth of the UK economy, covering more than 50 sectors - I think it was 58 at the last count - to shape our negotiating position."
    June 2017, on the Andrew Marr Show:"That data's being gathered, we've got 50, nearly 60 sector analyses already done, we've got planning work going on in the customs, we've got planning work going on 22 other issues which are critical, 127 all told."

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Downing Street told journalists: "We have been clear that the impact assessments don't exist. They're a specific thing in Whitehall terms. We think we have complied with the terms of the motion."


 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 07, 2017, 01:06:25 AM
Clearly they exists but they are called differently, they just cant show them because then everyone would see how crap they are, but by not showing them we also know they are shit.

Brexit brehs
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Post by: Corporal on December 07, 2017, 04:42:00 AM
Brexit is the gift that keeps on giving. How the Brits haven't tarred and feathered their political "elite" yet is beyond my capability for understanding.

Oh well.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on December 07, 2017, 04:47:29 AM
https://youtu.be/x5waFW0EUqU
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Post by: Raist on December 07, 2017, 05:36:53 AM
So Davis had some 'splaining to do to the Brexit Committee on how exactly it turned out that there were not really any excruciatingly detailed reports on the impact of Brexit on the UK economy. The Committee (with a Tory + DUP majority) found that he did nothing wrong. What a surprise.

Several MPs have officially asked the Speaker of the House for Davis to be charged with Contempt of Parliament. I'm sure that will happen ::)


Quote from: Corporal on December 07, 2017, 04:42:00 AM
Brexit is the gift that keeps on giving. How the Brits haven't tarred and feathered their political "elite" yet is beyond my capability for understanding.

Oh well.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/Keep-calm-and-carry-on-scan.jpg)


The British Way, Est. 1939.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Broseidon on December 07, 2017, 11:49:52 AM
i hate this stupid fucking country
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Post by: Corporal on December 07, 2017, 05:53:59 PM
I move we refer to UK as "cuntry" instead. They are cunts, they love cunts, and even if you ignore everything else, their leaders are most definitely up there in the top ten of "vilest cunts ever to grace the international stage of politics".

No but seriously, if Davis survives this, all hope is lost. This is about as blatant as you can get. Not like there was much hope to begin with, all things considered.


I'm curious what will happen tomorrow, though. I kinda want DUP to dig their heels in and shatter whatever dealio May and the EU seem to have arrived at. Just for the lulz, by now. Everything is so comically inept and stupid. Doesn't feel real at all.


Love how some nutters are furiously masturbating over  Germany's Schulz advocating for a USE during the recent party gathering and on twitter. He's in the opposition, what else is he going to say and do during a party event like that. Like, duh.
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Post by: Raist on December 08, 2017, 04:36:35 PM
So good old Theresa managed to calm the DUP down - for now I guess.

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    Guarantee that there will be "no hard border" between Northern Ireland and the Republic and that the "constitutional and economic integrity of the United Kingdom" will be maintained.

    EU citizens living in the UK and vice versa will have their rights to live, work and study protected. The agreement includes reunification rights for relatives who do not live in the UK to join them in their host country in the future

    Financial settlement - No specific figure is in the document but Downing Street says it will be between Ł35bn and Ł39bn, including budget contributions during a two-year "transition" period after March 2019

Need details on the first two, because that's as vague as it comes.


edit: well here's the whole damn thing.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/joint_report.pdf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on December 10, 2017, 04:24:27 AM
ISIS no longer in control of any areas in Iraq; renames self to "ISS".
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Corporal on December 10, 2017, 09:54:33 AM
So, who's next on the bash list? Maybe the Kurds? Or are we spinning up for some good old Iran/Isreal fuckery? Has been a while since the last time, and Trump is poking the bee hive. Plus what SA has been cooking up in Yemen and elsewhere. Ah, so many possibilities.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 11, 2017, 01:30:54 AM
I still dont understand what the deal on Ireland is  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Corporal on December 11, 2017, 03:38:36 AM
Quote from: Premium Lager on December 11, 2017, 01:30:54 AM
I still dont understand what the deal on Ireland is  :lol
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQsJBqmX4AEttm9.jpg)
Basically, it's the tacit admission by the Brits that they will eventually go for a Norway type dealio.
Stay in the customs union and obey all laws the EU deems important. No say in anything. And they will have to pay for the privilege, no doubt. Oh, and they can't get a deal as good as Norway, because Norway and quite a few other countries will drop kick the EU in the balls if that were to happen (and have veto power for their own little club anyway, with precious little interest to welcome a former big player that would completely dominate them).

Why? Because they agreed to honour the Good Friday Agreement that ended the troubles between Northern Ireland and Ireland. In writing. Beyond already having agreed to that as signatory of the GFA, mind.

Which will only work if A) there is no border between NI and I, and B) there is no border between NI and rUK. Which, in turn, requires rUK participation in the customs union, and from there it goes.

Note the wording above. Irrespective of the outcome of the talks. Even if UK is about to crash out to WTO rules, the hardest of Brexits.

Well, that's like 50% wishful thinking on my part, but I'm fairly sure there's a kernel of truth in there somewhere.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on December 17, 2017, 01:50:48 AM
The relevant authority publicized the wealth statements of the French government. A third of the cabinet (12) has a milion of more in assets. The wealthiest is Muriel Pénicaud, the Labor Minister ( :lol ) which used to be directing HR at Danone ( :rofl ), with an estimated 7,5m Euros (a big chunk in life insurances). Less surprising is the Ecology Minister, Nicolas Hulot, who used to produce and host a very popular exploration and nature documentary series though it's ironic to learn he has 8 gas powered vehicles (6 cars, 1 motorbike and a boat). Career politicians are on average poorer than the people coming from "the real economy".
The poorest minister is fittingly the one in charge of the Budget (basically subordinated to the Economy one), Gérald Darmanin (age 35) with less than 40k in various assets.

Christophe Castaner, recently elected at the head of Macron's party movement (unopposed and with Macron's backing in an election where only some of the party members were eligible to vote) but yet still keeping a position as a Secretary of State (Which in france are second tier cabinet offices), was pretty fed up about those questions "I have a loan and both my parents are dead".

There's not a ton of points of comparison to really say if it's really that egregious by French standard (sleazy businessman / conman Benard Tapie was once a Minister...) as up until recently disclosing wealth and assets wasn't standard. Not as bad as the USA Cabinet, I guess.

Macron is having a party for his 40th birthday at the prestigious Chambord castle and is taking his first week-end off for this. Official communication insists it's all paid on his own funds.

Also :
Far right FPÖ has been awarded the vice chancellery, foreign affairs, interior security and others in the latest Austrian cabinet. Christian-Democrat S.Kurz becomes chancellor at 31.
 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Valhelm on December 19, 2017, 05:35:17 PM
Revolutionary violence in Iraqi Kurdistan?? Reports on twitter of protesters opposed to the Barzani family's dominance storming government offices and burning images of Masoud Barzani.

https://twitter.com/AlSuraEnglish/status/943151219262087168

https://twitter.com/AramKrdstn/status/943083734101823488

Speculation online suggest these protesters are not affiliated with the radical PKK in Turkey and northern Syria, but instead are part of the democratic socialist Gorran movement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorran_Movement) that seeks closer ties with Baghdad and secular democracy at home.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2017, 08:14:23 AM
(http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/12/05122228/PG_2017.12.5_Life-Better-or-Worse_00.png)

4% of Vietnam must be weapons smugglers or Vietcong still hiding in the jungles.

This is also a really strange question, as the number of people in the sample who could answer the question based on personal experience must be incredibly small.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2017, 08:19:34 AM
MILLENNIALS :maf

(http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/12/01162137/PG_2017.12.5_Life-Better-or-Worse_04.png)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
is the sample of 50+ South Africans overly white or something?
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Post by: Brehvolution on December 20, 2017, 08:54:31 AM
Why wouldn't millenials be happier? They've been given a tiny screen to look at half the day for free.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Rufus on December 20, 2017, 01:50:53 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on December 20, 2017, 08:14:23 AM
This is also a really strange question, as the number of people in the sample who could answer the question based on personal experience must be incredibly small.
I was gonna say. Still interesting though.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on December 20, 2017, 01:59:17 PM
UK 45% Life is better than 50 years ago, vs. 31% worse.

Yet 52% of these assclowns voted to leave the EU (after exactly 43 years of membership) because it has "ruined your country".


:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on December 20, 2017, 08:00:56 PM
Quote from: Rufus on December 20, 2017, 01:50:53 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on December 20, 2017, 08:14:23 AM
This is also a really strange question, as the number of people in the sample who could answer the question based on personal experience must be incredibly small.
I was gonna say. Still interesting though.

I mean it is obviously about representations and feelings. It's more to have some vague objective framing and a single point of reference even if a construct.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Tokyosandblaster on December 21, 2017, 02:19:00 PM
Wrong thread.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on December 21, 2017, 06:48:52 PM
Quote from: Dufus on December 21, 2017, 02:40:52 PM
Quote from: Raist on December 20, 2017, 01:59:17 PM
UK 45% Life is better than 50 years ago, vs. 31% worse.

Yet 52% of these assclowns voted to leave the EU (after exactly 43 years of membership) because it has "ruined your country".


:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

that empire nostalgia


From the London 2012 Olympic Games opening ceremony.

(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/4e/4e46deef77bdb3c688baa5c1f97e4440c87a0067fbdb25d69bade9b8231a0f2f.jpg)

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Post by: jorma on December 22, 2017, 05:43:16 AM
lol at those south korean millenials who think they have it worse than their grandparents.


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Post by: Rufus on December 22, 2017, 01:53:41 PM
NIce spontaneous dementia, too. Learning from the best.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on December 23, 2017, 12:48:26 PM
https://youtu.be/f69VmIgmhOk

I like this guy.
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Post by: toku on December 23, 2017, 10:13:17 PM
https://twitter.com/demarionunn/status/944223378466050048
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Post by: benjipwns on December 24, 2017, 02:38:23 AM
Quote from: HardcoreRetro on December 23, 2017, 12:48:26 PM
https://youtu.be/f69VmIgmhOk

I like this guy.
best part was that's Miss Napa Valley 2012 faking broken English :lawd
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Post by: curly on December 24, 2017, 11:47:22 PM
So the New York Times had an article about the Lebanese PM's resignation and subsequent detainment in Saudi Arabia. It's worth reading, but the gist is that the Saudis forced him to do it. Also the Saudis are idiots and actively destabilizing the region. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/24/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-saad-hariri-mohammed-bin-salman-lebanon.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/24/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-saad-hariri-mohammed-bin-salman-lebanon.html)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on December 27, 2017, 05:14:07 PM
Quote from: toku on December 23, 2017, 10:13:17 PM
https://twitter.com/demarionunn/status/944223378466050048


https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/944475267111833600

https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/944651814292672513

https://twitter.com/mrjohnofarrell/status/944124469337116672

https://twitter.com/simonblackwell/status/944121514361868288


Brexit, the farce that keeps on giving :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Valhelm on December 29, 2017, 06:05:55 PM
holy fuck Saudi Arabia may have just tried to do a coup in Jordan.

http://al-sura.com/jordans-king-arrests-brothers-and-cousin-in-suspected-saudi-led-coup/

If concrete proof is given of a coup attempt, Jordan might leave the Saudi fold just like Qatar did. This is like, late Habsburg Empire levels of headass foreign policy.  Blunders like this will only accelerate their decline.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 29, 2017, 07:13:26 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42512946
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Syph on December 29, 2017, 07:18:00 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on December 29, 2017, 07:13:26 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42512946
on front page of drudge report right now as well

interesting to note that is was just a few weeks (months?) ago that ayatollah khomeni and former pres ahmadinejad were openly feuding
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Post by: VomKriege on December 31, 2017, 07:58:48 AM
Colombia is apparently emergency shipping 55 tons of ham to Venezuela for the Eve. Ham is a traditional fixture there for the season but Portuguese suppliers refused to take orders this year. President Maduro blamed "international sabotage" and some major figures of his party mentioned... Can you guess ? US imperialists. Portuguese government stated they had no pull and no business to meddle with private exporters. Apparently the tab for last year is still due ?
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Post by: VomKriege on December 31, 2017, 08:22:01 AM
Tamil movie star who played that cybord in that Indian movie you've at last seen a Youtube video of is entering politics :
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-india-politics-actor/tamil-film-star-to-enter-politics-in-indias-detroit-idUSKBN1EP03R

And former football striker George Weah has been elected Libéria's president. Apparently it's a much bigger deal for the media than his predecessor, Ellen Johnson Sirleaf, who was just the first elected female head of state in Africa, won a Nobel Peace prize and survived a purge by execution of almost the whole cabinet following a coup in 1980. Not to say she's a saint or anything (she's very much a politician, a part of the elite of his country, and an international technocrat) but it seems a little more momentous than a popular athlete playing well with the citizens ?
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Post by: kingv on January 03, 2018, 10:08:19 AM
So the dude who was rescued from the Taliban a few months back was just arrested for a bunch of shit in canada.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/01/02/americas/joshua-boyle-criminal-charges-canada/index.html

And I guess also his ex-wife is suspected of being a member of Al Qaeda?! It makes me think maybe this dude was flying out to Afghanistan to join the Taliban and they decided he’d make a good hostage instead.
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Post by: Boogie on January 03, 2018, 10:51:03 AM
Quote from: kingv on January 03, 2018, 10:08:19 AM


And I guess also his ex-wife is suspected of being a member of Al Qaeda?! It makes me think maybe this dude was flying out to Afghanistan to join the Taliban and they decided he’d make a good hostage instead.

Yup!

And of course, the dude’s past fascination with extremism and his incredibly dodgy story of how he ended up in Afghanistan was mostly glossed over by the media when he was rescued.  He even got to meet the Prime Minister!

Yes, he’s a citizen and deserved to have his government secure his release and return, but to have fawned over him as an innocent victim and publicized his rescue was absurd.
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Post by: Mollys Fruity Loops on January 05, 2018, 02:22:56 PM
Guess some truthful news topics are too hot to handle. #CensorshipSucks #HumanTraffickingIsPandemicAmongThePowerful #NSFL 
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Post by: kingv on January 05, 2018, 02:50:58 PM
I’m guessing your username was s a reference to that video where the the two pornstars are spreading each other’s buttholes with a speculum and eating froot loops (with milk) out of their gaping anuses
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 05, 2018, 09:42:45 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42586108
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Post by: benjipwns on January 05, 2018, 09:43:36 PM
Quote from: Syph on December 29, 2017, 07:18:00 PM
interesting to note that is was just a few weeks (months?) ago that ayatollah khomeni and former pres ahmadinejad were openly feuding
try years...well, unless you actually meant Khomeini, who has been dead for nearly 30 years...

they essentially turned on each other shortly after Ahmadinejad was re-elected, the whole affair where he was facing impeachment, had a bunch of his appointments made to step down leaving him half a cabinet (which is grounds for removing a President in Iran) and in the subsequent legislative elections had his favored candidates disqualified...from everything I've ever read, there's never been a good explanation leaked* for why he got his legs cut out from under him as Khamenei didn't even pull the leash this tightly on Khatami, etc. who are in theory opposed to him, while Ahmadinejad was supposed to be on his side and Khamenei and the state went to bat for his rigged 2009 re-election

as a side note, Ahmadinejad wanted to run again for President last year and Khamenei personally told him no, supposedly the first candidate to ever personally be told no by the Supreme Leader, everyone else is just disqualified by the Guardian Council

*I've thought there doesn't necessarily need to be one, considering Khamenei is on the record as against Iran pursuing nuclear weapons over prioritizing nuclear energy, doesn't do stuff like deny the Holocaust or outright call for eliminating Jews, even supports transgender reassignment, etc. while Ahmadinejad was not only way to the extreme "right" (in Iranian politics) of Khamenei on this stuff, he was loudly so and ran all over the West trying to make friends with people like Chavez, was Trumpian in his boasting about weapons, against Israel, etc. ... it's a simple political power dynamic, Khamenei's position is best with a President slightly to his "left" (again, in Iranian politics) who he can shift blame onto for anything bad that happens, while taking credit for anything good being a sign of the Islamic Revolution he's guiding.
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Post by: Brehvolution on January 09, 2018, 11:54:38 AM
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.832387

What could go wrong?
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Post by: benjipwns on January 12, 2018, 03:11:41 AM
FSB front operation complains about true liberal democracies defending themselves against his bosses plans: https://theintercept.com/2018/01/10/first-france-now-brazil-unveils-plans-to-empower-the-government-to-censure-the-internet-in-the-name-of-stopping-fake-news/

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“In the next few days, the Federal Police will begin activities in Brasília [the nation’s capital] by a specially formed group to combat false news during the [upcoming 2018 presidential] election process,” the official police tweet stated. It added: “The measures are intended to identify and punish the authors of ‘fake news’ for or against candidates.” Top police officials told media outlets that their working group would include representatives of the judiciary’s election branch and leading prosecutors
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Tellingly, these police officials vow that they will proceed to implement the censorship program even if no new law is enacted. They insist that no new laws are necessary by pointing to a pre-internet censorship law enacted in 1983 — during the time Brazil was ruled by a brutal military dictatorship that severely limited free expression and routinely imprisoned dissidents.

A top police official just yesterday warned that, absent a new law, they will invoke the authorities of one of the dictatorship era’s most repressive laws: the so-called Law of National Security, which contain deliberately vague passages making it a felony to “spread rumors that caused panic.” Yet he complained that the old dictatorship-era law is inadequate in part because it is too lenient, providing “only” for “months” in prison for those who disseminate “fake news,” which he called a “very low punishment.”

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In his New Year’s speech to journalists at the Élysée palace, the French president vowed that his new law would contain some robust transparency obligations for websites — ones for which valid arguments may be assembled. But the crux of the law is censorship: During elections, “an emergency legal action could allow authorities to remove that content or even block the website.” As in Brazil, the new French power would cover social media platforms and traditional media outlets alike, allowing the government through an as-yet-unknown process to simply remove entire political websites from the internet.

Beyond having one’s political content forcibly suppressed by the state, disseminators of “fake news” could face fines of many millions of dollars.
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Post by: VomKriege on January 14, 2018, 10:48:56 AM
Another one bites the dust

"Leader of Britain's UKIP faces calls to quit over girlfriend's remarks" - http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-politics-ukip/leader-of-britains-ukip-faces-calls-to-quit-over-girlfriends-remarks-idUKKBN1F30LF
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Syph on January 15, 2018, 04:49:17 PM
unfuckingbelievable

Toronto police say hijab-cutting incident never happened, investigation is closed (http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/toronto-police-say-hijab-cutting-incident-never-happened-investigation-is-closed)
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Post by: Raist on January 17, 2018, 08:49:07 AM
Fantastic.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-mps-vote-against-including-european-fundamental-rights-charter-in-uk-law-a8162981.html


Quote
MPs have voted against including the European Charter of Fundamental Rights in UK law after Brexit.

A Labour amendment, tabled in the name of Jeremy Corbyn, sought to retain the provisions in the Charter but was voted down by 317 votes to 299.

The EU Withdrawal Bill, which is currently in its report stage in the House of Commons, will transfer all existing EU law into UK law when Britain leaves the EU in March 2019. However, it includes several exceptions, including the Charter of Fundamental Rights.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on January 17, 2018, 01:38:46 PM
I really like the diversity of the Czech Presidential candidates campaign logos: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_presidential_election,_2018#Official_candidates

Although I have issues with naming your own party "The Party of Common Sense" or the "Realists" as that seems like one of those things others have to designate for you. It's like calling your party The Smartest. Actually, I wonder if anyone has done that now.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on January 17, 2018, 01:49:11 PM
Putin's had a good week polling wise, he's back up to ~70% in the polls after flirting dangerously around 54-58% at the turn of the year. That moves his lead over the next highest candidate from +49 to +65. So this could still be tight over the next two months.

Though I think the will of the people shall ultimately prevail much like in neighboring democracies Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: kingv on January 19, 2018, 06:21:26 PM
Please keep Nigel Farage away from Asssange.

Krystal,

AMERIKKKA
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Corporal on January 20, 2018, 02:01:57 PM
Please keep Nigel Farage away from everyone else as well.

Stuffing him into a soundproof hamster ball would facilitate this splendidly. Just saying.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Kara on January 23, 2018, 11:18:55 AM
lol

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/north-korean-defector-confesses-to-murder-report
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: curly on January 24, 2018, 09:04:27 AM
Far-right politician converts to Islam, quits AfD party

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/01/politician-converts-islam-quits-afd-party-180124124119851.html (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/01/politician-converts-islam-quits-afd-party-180124124119851.html)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on January 26, 2018, 07:56:43 AM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-security/french-jails-at-brink-of-explosion-strike-must-end-ombudsman-idUSKBN1FF1JF

A friend watched a TV debate (including a guard union representative) about it and sadly, albeit unsurprisingly, most of the bullet points were purely reactionary, basically they should be given tasers & prisoners are rude and hostile (I mean... no shit ?) with a pinch of nostalgic fantasies thrown in (Corsican and Marseilles mobsters were the good ol'days compared to islamists).

That's not to belittle demands for adequate means and security from guards but none of it seem to adress some of the root problems.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on January 26, 2018, 11:30:27 AM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-congo-protests/in-rare-press-appearance-congos-kabila-denies-repression-idUSKBN1FF26D

Wow, Kabila really changed his style  :lol

(https://i.imgur.com/6VGfuaK.jpg?1)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on January 27, 2018, 01:33:04 PM
Polish climbers are trying to save a Pole and a Frenchwoman stuck on "killer mountain".

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-pakistan-climbers/polish-climbers-ascend-pakistans-killer-mountain-to-rescue-french-woman-pole-idUKKBN1FG0QH
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on January 27, 2018, 09:05:29 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on January 26, 2018, 11:30:27 AM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-congo-protests/in-rare-press-appearance-congos-kabila-denies-repression-idUSKBN1FF26D

Wow, Kabila really changed his style  :lol

(https://i.imgur.com/6VGfuaK.jpg?1)
I was just reading about this regarding a bunch of the "second generation" of African "democratic" leaders. So many of them are there because of their dad's but they never were there for independence or even many of the civil wars especially in Francophile states because all the kids were sent to private schools in France/Europe/etc. And they all have "legitimate" public administration experience and college degrees in that stuff instead of advanced warlordism. So they're terrible at lot of what has propped up those states for so long, but the states themselves also don't produce enough people for them to place into posts without cronyism attached and as the first generation post-independence starts dying off they don't even have the learned hands. And it's even worse where there's been one-party states for so long because nobody advanced under those for the same merits that they should now that there's legitimate democratic opposition.

Also, the age thing is huge, how most of those countries have gigantic under 20 populations. So Kabila is growing a beard like that to probably look older, especially with the gray stripe, and that paradoxically helps him with the youth unlike in Western states. Especially since a lot of African cultures have long traditions going back pre-colonialism about wisdom of the aged.

The whole not scheduling new elections and then blaming the cost seems to be the quite popular thing around the continent I noticed. I forget which country it was now, but one of them did this for like five years or something, then France and a couple other allies called their bluff and put up the cash for an election. The foreign colonist devils then forced the people's chosen leader to step down when he lost in the rigged against him election!

As an aside I was reading a semi-revisionist take on the post-colonial wave of one-party states that argued that against the notion that these were all puppets of West or East installed and backed and all inherently bad dictators and so on. But instead that at a fundamental level their understanding of "national unity" and what was best for the country meant there was only one proper path, and banning opposition or worse suppressing it, was because they saw it skewed as unraveling national unity and eventually it just gets cemented into the system.

It was only when they started talking about how much France propped up and intervened in all their former colonies that I realized the parallels to the French Revolution and its similar disconnect with the notions of liberté, égalité, fraternité and the idea of any kind of opposition being not a part of that let alone essential to that republican spirit but instead an enemy trying to undermine the republic and restore the old ways. Considering that many of these states have not only their borders but their elite ethnic or tribal classes were decided by the former colonial power you can sorta see why the pattern is so common across the continent.

I think Latin America has a similar thing at work, with the United States looming large in their ideological development but the new states often missing many of the details that helped unite the states and thinking they can skip ahead to a glorious democratic republic. Often employing de facto one-party states as well. Or the system I like in a few South American states where they agreed to just switch parties every election, which like, not an actual solution there guys. The whole point is you have to lose and willingly so. But I'm more than rambling and showing my provincialism.

edit: no i didn't call him kirbarla, you didn't see that, i would never compare an era mod to a respected President of a foreign nation
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Syph on January 30, 2018, 03:01:14 PM
couple days late but Zeman was re-elected in Czech Republic
 :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Valhelm on January 31, 2018, 02:03:21 PM
The Saudi-backed Hadi government has been ousted from the Yemeni capital Aden. This is huge.

What has effectively been a two-way war (Houthi Shia rebels versus Saudi proxies) has now split three ways -- Aden and patches of the countryside are controlled by the Southern Transitional Council, who want to recreate an independent South Yemen, which existed as a Marxist-Leninist republic from the dawn of Yemeni independence up until 1989. Since 2009, militias probably affiliated with the STC have been clashing with the Saudi-backed government, killing policemen and occupying a few small towns. This sudden coup in Aden is the first really major victory by the separatists.

(https://i.imgur.com/MkvldQh.png)

What's interesting is that these STC forces are backed by the UAE. Until this week they were cooperating with Saudi's pet Hadi government to repel Houthi incursions. This is going to lead to huge tensions between Saudi Arabia and UAE, maybe not too dissimilar to their friction with Qatar and Turkey last year.

In addition, the STC wants independence for the almost homogeneously Sunni South Yemen. This is not really incompatible with Houthi aims of greater autonomy for the Shia community. If the Houthis and STC can come to any mutual agreement, Saudi Arabia has probably lost their war in Yemen. I don't think the remnants of the Hadi government will be strong enough to defend their territory from both the Houthis and these new STC militants.

Unless Mohammed Bin Salman wants to commit a lot more blood and treasure to this war in Yemen, Saudi Arabia may just cut their losses and let Yemen be divided up between the Yemenis. If Saudi Arabia oversees this partition, they also avoid the possibility of an entire unified Yemen coming under the control of the pro-Iranian Houthis.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on January 31, 2018, 06:45:16 PM
Any updates on Jordan, Valhelm?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2018, 01:42:44 AM
What's up with these new control maps that Wikipedia adopted like that above one. I swear I stared at the Libya one the other day for fifteen minutes before deciding it would be outdated by the time I figured out all the dots. Also, I don't think they always load properly. And I'd like to see certain parts labeled "NOBODY CARES" since I'm pretty sure I could silently claim some parts of Southern Libya without anyone bothering to check for a while.

Doesn't help when like two-thirds of the groups have nearly indistinguishable names that I have to open another window to check if they're the moderate genocidal Islamists or the radical genocidial Marxist-Leninists allied with moderate Islamists or the radical Islamists who are allied with the West as long as they aren't in power.

Just shade some areas with multiple colors and tell me it's disputed! *shakes first at cloud*
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Assimilate on February 01, 2018, 08:04:55 PM
Two seconds before getting out of my uber to head into a store the mall is assaulted by armed thieves. Fuck this place. Idiot government officials that don't hit these assholes with the death penalty, don't incarcerate every single fucking gangster in this dumb country......

stupid ass liberals but but but but they lack education but but but you have to have compassion... yeah and this is what happens. This place needs to start lining up fools and doing mass executions, and televise it like fucking CHINA. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Valhelm on February 10, 2018, 12:06:42 AM
Tonight's display of Korean unity was legitimately stirring.

let's keep the Koreans in our thoughts and prayers
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on February 10, 2018, 03:36:47 PM
 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVmb33bWkAU27cs.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: team filler on February 11, 2018, 03:27:06 PM
evil pussy  :lawd

evil korean pussy :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Corporal on February 11, 2018, 04:56:01 PM
Don't stick your dick in crazy. The sex may be awesome, but everything else isn't worth it. :gurl
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Rufus on February 11, 2018, 06:01:51 PM
Quote from: Dufus on February 11, 2018, 05:49:14 PM
Quote from: Corporal on February 11, 2018, 04:56:01 PM
Don't stick your dick in crazy. The sex may be awesome, but everything else isn't worth it. :gurl

It's not like I have a choice with me being a nobody and her being the sister of a fat motherfucker with nukes. :gurl
Can you imagine the kind of purge proof clearance you'd need? :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on February 11, 2018, 06:54:50 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVvBpsWV4AEyNiG.jpg)

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: HardcoreRetro on February 12, 2018, 02:29:40 PM
Big business on our news getting angry at what their ads are shown on on Youtube. Some ad for soap playing before a video of Peppa Pig shooting her mom in the face with a shotgun while her decapitated dad's head lies on the table in the background.

Maybe this modern era isn't that bad.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Valhelm on February 12, 2018, 07:07:48 PM
unironically I think these Olympics will help prevent a war
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 12, 2018, 10:41:54 PM
Quote from: HardcoreRetro on February 12, 2018, 02:29:40 PM
Big business on our news getting angry at what their ads are shown on on Youtube. Some ad for soap playing before a video of Peppa Pig shooting her mom in the face with a shotgun while her decapitated dad's head lies on the table in the background.

Maybe this modern era isn't that bad.

Don't worry, Google is hard at work crafting an algorithm that will definitely solve all their problems this time.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Momo on February 13, 2018, 06:59:23 AM
https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/breaking-zuma-has-until-end-of-tuesday-to-resign-sources-20180213

:rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Momo on February 13, 2018, 08:35:29 AM
LIVE: Zuma recall not because he did 'anything wrong', but ANC decision 'final'
2018-02-13 15:00

:rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on February 13, 2018, 08:00:44 PM
huh, i hadn't seen earlier that his wife had lost the ANC conference "primary"

Sisulu too, who i had heard of just because she kept hiring lawyers who were winding up in jail or something silly like that
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Momo on February 15, 2018, 12:19:21 AM
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-15/jacob-zuma-steps-down-with-immediate-effect/9449038

:rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on February 15, 2018, 03:33:15 PM
For a second there I thought "Omarosa" had taken over as president of South Africa.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Corporal on February 19, 2018, 02:01:40 AM
Let's laugh at the Germans for a bit, shall we.

A long-ass time ago, Krim being occupied by Russia caused NATO to push for fast response units to be established. One of the countries that was supposed to set some of their military aside to create those is Germany.

We're not a big country, but with 80+ million people we're not exactly small either. And while Trump is whining about us not spending enough on military to wipe France off the face of the Earth at the flick of a button, we do have a moderate military budget. Just enough for a peacetime corps. We don't have any big force projection abilities or anything fancy, because we kinda blew it the last two times we did. Still, imagine our surprise when we were notified by our own army that:

We do not have enough tents to house the soldiers. Fucking tents. We have 2500, we need 7500 more, and we probably won't have them until fucking 2020. A military that is supposed to protect eighty million civilians does not have more than 2500 tents to spare.

Oh, and Bonus: the 2500 tents we do have are "probably unsuitable" anyway. That's stupid. Also, two years to procure 7500 tents. The fuck. Are they hand-knitted by grandmas in retirement homes out of imported spider silk or something?

Bonus bonus: We are also "experiencing a lack" of winter uniforms. Whod'a thunk Germans would need freaking winter uniforms. It's not like winter comes around every year or so. Totally unexpected. Better not have a bunch lying around in case we'd need them. Like now.

Bonus bonus Bonus: and this one is a biggie, we also lack protective vests. Which are kind of necessary for people who can expect to be shot at. So we probably should have a few more than needed, because you never know, right? Nope.

A fast response unit without tents, uniforms or protection. Are you shitting me. And it will still take two years at least until they are anywhere near ready. Well.... Since it's become a bit of a thing in the news, we'll probably dismantle a watch post or two and salvage their equipment, plus three quid from parliament for a pack of gums and "you tried" stars until the public interest has waned. Nonetheless, I fully expect 2021 to come around and still see us struggling with basic equipment.

I swear, the fucking Huns could overrun us in a day. If they could time travel to the modern age. Which would probably create a whole different bunch of problems anyway. But still. I imagine Russia hasn't waltzed in and clubbed us like seals only because they enjoy the show and wouldn't want to touch our mess with a ten foot pole anyway.


Anyways. All of that is kind of a problem because we agreed to take a leading role in this post-Krim NATO thing from 2019 onwards. Oh, and we won't be able to supply our agreed upon contingent of tanks, assault vehicles, rifles with grenade launcher attachments, and night vision goggles. Grand show, that.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on February 19, 2018, 02:19:02 AM
Quote from: Corporal on February 19, 2018, 02:01:40 AM
Let's laugh at the Germans for a bit, shall we.

We always do?!  ???
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 19, 2018, 03:03:35 AM
Waddya expect you lost your finest 39-45
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on February 19, 2018, 05:45:33 PM
Syria sending fighters to assist Kurds against Turkish forces

lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on February 19, 2018, 06:34:51 PM
Quote from: Corporal on February 19, 2018, 02:01:40 AM
Anyways. All of that is kind of a problem because we agreed to take a leading role in this post-Krim NATO thing from 2019 onwards. Oh, and we won't be able to supply our agreed upon contingent of tanks, assault vehicles, rifles with grenade launcher attachments, and night vision goggles. Grand show, that.
I do you one better.

Our country has about 4 or 5 working F16's of which none were able to fly coalition Missions in Syria because they lacked the communication equipment needed to work with their NATO allies.
We have a shortage of ammo so soldiers training shout 'bang', 'bang' instead. Our special forces training has been put on hold because of accidents during training. They put up cloths instead of walls on the training grounds to save costs so people got hurt during shooting exercises. Recently some poor kid got blown up overseas because he used a Soviet era mortar piece written off by the US but bought by our dumb government.

When an airliner was shot out of the sky above Ukraine, we wanted to secure the site. But military intelligence indicated that our air mobile brigade would last just 2 hours would they come into conflict with he Russian rebels and/or Kiev militias.

We sold our single tank division of about 20 tanks just before the Crimea crisis. We now lease tanks and a tank crew from Germany.

Our soldiers have to share helmets, there's like 1 helmet for 2 soldiers.

All that stands between Russia and the EU is the army of Poland and the Polish civilian militias, which is well funded, well trained. Guess who the EU is currently bullying with fines and threats about taking away voting power?

If Putin wanted he could be having a tank parade from Moscow to Amsterdam in 1 week. All he needs to do is make sure the Poles don't resist.
At the same time our politicians are warning us about the great Russian threat, after having dismantled the entire military.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on February 19, 2018, 08:23:33 PM
Nintex, isn't that more reason to rely on NATO entirely for European defense?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 19, 2018, 11:47:06 PM
Iirc the polish militias havent been formed yet.

But yeah the dutch army is a bit of a shambles, to think i once wanted to sign up for the now defunct tank brigade  :'(
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 20, 2018, 12:00:02 AM
Poland is btw one of the like 5 Nato members that spends the amount all memberd agreed to spend on their military (2% of gdp)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on February 20, 2018, 01:36:36 AM
I mean, the NL aren't exactly the most exposed country :lol Unless Merkel decides to go all blitzkrieg again.

But regardless, that's why a european army would make sense.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Corporal on February 20, 2018, 08:13:52 AM
Merkel of all people won't ever Blitzkrieg anyone. Part of her appeal. :-\

Wait, Germans are renting out tanks?!
How delicious. Out of our 244 existing Leopard 2 tanks, only 95 are ready to sortie. Not to mention, only half of officer-and-above positions in the entire tank division can actually be filled because we're simply missing huge amounts of qualified personnel.
And yet here we are, renting out tanks and personnel. :derp
(Probably why we even have those other 50% anyway)


Another fun German fact: out of six submarines, none are operational as of two months ago. GERMAN UBOOTS STRONK!


And yeah, EU army please, can't be any worse than what we have now. No wait actually it can, because I bet those poor fucks will drown in red tape and bureaucracy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on February 20, 2018, 12:09:41 PM
Quote from: Corporal on February 20, 2018, 08:13:52 AM
Merkel of all people won't ever Blitzkrieg anyone. Part of her appeal. :-\

Wait, Germans are renting out tanks?!
How delicious. Out of our 244 existing Leopard 2 tanks, only 95 are ready to sortie. Not to mention, only half of officer-and-above positions in the entire tank division can actually be filled because we're simply missing huge amounts of qualified personnel.
And yet here we are, renting out tanks and personnel. :derp
(Probably why we even have those other 50% anyway)


Another fun German fact: out of six submarines, none are operational as of two months ago. GERMAN UBOOTS STRONK!


And yeah, EU army please, can't be any worse than what we have now. No wait actually it can, because I bet those poor fucks will drown in red tape and bureaucracy.


You're already struggling to build train stations and airports.

Nevermind nuclear submarines. Having seen Kiel, I kinda get why too.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on February 21, 2018, 06:42:37 PM
Quote from: Shostakovich on February 19, 2018, 08:23:33 PM
Nintex, isn't that more reason to rely on NATO entirely for European defense?
Which is why NATO is a good idea and the EU is a terrible idea.

The EU keeps up this myth that they've created 'peace' in Europe. But NATO did that, the English and Americans. The EU had barely anything to do with it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on February 21, 2018, 07:33:14 PM
The EU is a long term social psychology experiment in getting the European nations to slowly dissolve and cede all authority to the larger federation. Europe can't go to war with itself for the same reason California never goes to war with Texas.

And that's why it keeps marching East and Russia keeps freaking out. People like Metternich were deeply afraid of what would happen if Napoleon could conquer all of Europe and direct its force anywhere. Well Brussels pretty much did that. And that's also why Russia would love to keep Ukraine anti-European and the Baltic States under their thumb and I'm sure they'd conquer Finland if they could. Because Europe is now the Napoleonic supranation that will eat its lunch.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on February 22, 2018, 02:42:33 AM
Quote from: Nintex on February 21, 2018, 06:42:37 PM
Quote from: Shostakovich on February 19, 2018, 08:23:33 PM
Nintex, isn't that more reason to rely on NATO entirely for European defense?
Which is why NATO is a good idea and the EU is a terrible idea.

The EU keeps up this myth that they've created 'peace' in Europe. But NATO did that, the English and Americans. The EU had barely anything to do with it.

They're completely different organizations though, and the formation of the EU certainly contributed to it. You're not going to bash your neighbour if you have strong economic and political ties with them.

NATO was mostly founded to keep an eye on them commies. It derived from a foundation of EU countries alliances, btw (both the treaty of Brussels and subsequently the WEUDO, before the USA joined the party). You can't really separate the EU and NATO, because the latter was certainly birthed by the former.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: jorma on February 22, 2018, 05:27:47 AM
Quote from: Nintex on February 21, 2018, 06:42:37 PM
Quote from: Shostakovich on February 19, 2018, 08:23:33 PM
Nintex, isn't that more reason to rely on NATO entirely for European defense?
Which is why NATO is a good idea and the EU is a terrible idea.

The EU keeps up this myth that they've created 'peace' in Europe. But NATO did that, the English and Americans. The EU had barely anything to do with it.

Just no.

Fuck nato, Marry EU, Kill the Warzaw pact

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 22, 2018, 05:33:19 AM
Eu and Nato are both needed.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Valhelm on February 25, 2018, 09:58:34 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/25/china-sets-stage-for-xi-to-stay-in-office-indefinitely.html

fuck Xi Jinping

This could be very bad news for China
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on February 26, 2018, 11:35:11 AM
BREAKING: Russian invasion of Ukraine postponed

https://twitter.com/Eire_QC/status/968138787867021312 (https://twitter.com/Eire_QC/status/968138787867021312)

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on February 26, 2018, 05:06:39 PM
I believe kids these days would say "rekt".

https://twitter.com/bbradleymp/status/967526680188375040
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on February 27, 2018, 06:55:11 PM
https://twitter.com/ReutersAfrica/status/968508348021735424 (https://twitter.com/ReutersAfrica/status/968508348021735424)

RIP South Africa

Communists seizing lands from land owners. That always ends well  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: curly on February 27, 2018, 09:33:19 PM
https://twitter.com/haaretzcom/status/968605940642729985

Normal, healthy country
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on February 28, 2018, 02:12:41 AM
(https://img.bulawayo24.com/articles/2017-09-mugabe.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2018, 07:25:49 AM
Quote from: curly on February 27, 2018, 09:33:19 PM
Normal, healthy country
i'd imagine you might fall off your bike if you got shot in the head while riding it

so the social studies warrior pro-islam defense force DEBUNKED yet again
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2018, 07:33:37 AM
Quote from: Shostakovich on February 21, 2018, 07:33:14 PM
The EU is a long term social psychology experiment in getting the European nations to slowly dissolve and cede all authority to the larger federation. Europe can't go to war with itself for the same reason California never goes to war with Texas.

And that's why it keeps marching East and Russia keeps freaking out. People like Metternich were deeply afraid of what would happen if Napoleon could conquer all of Europe and direct its force anywhere. Well Brussels pretty much did that. And that's also why Russia would love to keep Ukraine anti-European and the Baltic States under their thumb and I'm sure they'd conquer Finland if they could. Because Europe is now the Napoleonic supranation that will eat its lunch.
at least credit the source of your jokes buddy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVYqB0uTKlE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvYuoWyk8iU
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Syph on March 02, 2018, 01:15:30 AM
no surprise benji has good taste
 :mynicca


in other news:

French far-right leader Marine Le Pen charged over IS photos (https://www.yahoo.com/news/french-far-leader-marine-le-pen-charged-over-124519649.html)

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"French prosecutors filed preliminary charges Thursday against Marine Le Pen for tweeting brutal images of Islamic State violence.

The prosecutor's office in the Paris suburb of Nanterre said the charges were issued for "distribution of violent images." If the case eventually reaches trial and she's convicted, Le Pen could face up to three years in prison and a 75,000-euro ($90,000) fine.

Le Pen's December 2015 tweets showed executions by IS extremists, including the killing of American reporter James Foley. She posted them in the wake of the November 2015 IS attacks on Paris, accusing the government of not doing enough to protect France."
shameful
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on March 02, 2018, 01:43:29 AM
Lol get rekt Marine.

edit: and yes, her parliamentary immunity has been revoked, so it could get somewhere (probably not much more than a fine tho).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: team filler on March 02, 2018, 10:00:26 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/zolEOsD.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Rufus on March 02, 2018, 10:02:17 AM
Du sprichst Deutsch?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Brehvolution on March 02, 2018, 10:45:17 AM
I don't. What does it say?  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Rufus on March 02, 2018, 10:54:44 AM
Right, sorry. :I

Quote
Angela Merkel said: "Every person in Germany earns 3000€ on average!"

I ask myself: "Am I not a person, or not in Germany?"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on March 02, 2018, 04:12:36 PM
She actually said that? :lol

God she's so fucking useless.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on March 02, 2018, 08:20:00 PM
I think that the Germans are afraid of having a somewhat functioning government and are apathetic to political debates. So they just keep voting for the Christian fatty to be on the safe side.

Looking at the US, not actually a bad strategy to vote on the most dull, uninspiring, bureaucratic figurehead.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Syph on March 02, 2018, 09:41:48 PM
Quote from: Raist on March 02, 2018, 01:43:29 AM
Lol get rekt Marine.

edit: and yes, her parliamentary immunity has been revoked, so it could get somewhere (probably not much more than a fine tho).
wut
why would you want that?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Rufus on March 02, 2018, 10:14:39 PM
Quote from: Raist on March 02, 2018, 04:12:36 PM
She actually said that? :lol

God she's so fucking useless.
Can't find a source on it.

Quote from: Nintex on March 02, 2018, 08:20:00 PM
I think that the Germans are afraid of having a somewhat functioning government and are apathetic to political debates. So they just keep voting for the Christian fatty to be on the safe side.
Nah. Germans like stability, above all. Merkel's opportunistic pragmatism, "sitting out" of issues and opaque political positions (allowing people to project theirs onto her) put her on the big chair three times and will for a fourth (and final) time. Once we've formed another government, that is. Any day now...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: jorma on March 03, 2018, 02:35:33 AM
Merkel is the perfect German chancellor for EU.

Imagine someone like Berlusconi or Sarko bossing Germany and lording it over the southern plebs? Euro project dead in two months.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on March 03, 2018, 02:36:40 AM
ok but Trump is president so what does that mean for nato
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: jorma on March 03, 2018, 02:40:23 AM
Quote from: Shostakovich on March 03, 2018, 02:36:40 AM
ok but Trump is president so what does that mean for nato

George W already spent most of the Nato currency they had and used it to invade Iraq. Trump isn't going to be able to do anything with Nato.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on March 03, 2018, 03:33:08 AM
Quote from: Syph on March 02, 2018, 09:41:48 PM
Quote from: Raist on March 02, 2018, 01:43:29 AM
Lol get rekt Marine.

edit: and yes, her parliamentary immunity has been revoked, so it could get somewhere (probably not much more than a fine tho).
wut
why would you want that?

Cause she's a piece of shit?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: team filler on March 04, 2018, 04:43:20 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/pVQEAhL.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/jrSfm8n.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2018, 12:22:37 AM
italy being italy :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2018, 12:23:43 AM
Quote
During the day many voters waited in line for more than an hour to vote, only to then be baffled by confusing ballots and the process to cast them - which for the first time required an anti-fraud check by polling authorities.

"You feel as if you have gone there prepared but it's not that clear," complained Sister Vincenza as she cast her ballot on Rome's Aventine hill before heading to Mass.

Some polling stations remained closed in Palermo two hours into election day because the wrong ballots were delivered and 200,000 new ones had to be reprinted overnight. Similar ballot glitches were reported elsewhere, forcing the suspension of the vote in two towns in Alessandria.
:trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2018, 12:24:29 AM
and of course, guess who's there!

(https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2018/03/03/TELEMMGLPICT000156167889_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bqek9vKm18v_rkIPH9w2GMNoGXySPv9M1Jbe0Fc3Bi1Fk.jpeg?imwidth=1240)

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"Italy is, more than anywhere else in the world right now, even more than Brexit, even more than the Trump revolution in the US, the cutting edge of the sovereignty movement, of people saying we’ve tried to play by the rules, we’ve voted in centre-Left governments and centre-Right governments, and none of that has worked," Steve Bannon, the former White House chief strategist, told The Telegraph in Rome.

“So now people are looking at another alternative. What they want is power back to the people in a populist revolt.”

Mr Bannon is in the Italian capital to observe the outcome of Italy’s closely fought election, which he called “the most important thing happening politically in the world right now”.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on March 05, 2018, 12:25:43 AM
He's just worried about all that inmigrante clandestino
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: warcock on March 05, 2018, 02:50:04 AM
Man as an ameritard i find  the backlash the SPD  is currently facing from long time members to be really weird. I've been conditioned for so long now to make concessions in terms of ideology and values that I find it bizarre, no even irresponsible that they would give their leaders shit for this. And we dont even have to deal with a parilmentary system. It must be nice to actually have representation :(
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2018, 06:48:19 AM
the preliminary results for the PR vote in Italy (with my ignorant (but still better than John Oliver's?) attempts to summarizing each party):
Five Star - 32% (sorta no platform, anti-europe, anti-coalition party started by that comedian though he's somewhat not part of it anymore)
Democratic - 19% (basically standard social democrats, main party of left coalition, was governing party)
Lega Nord - 18% (former secession movement that's turned into either a populist anti-europe anti-immigrant party and/or an outright fascist party depending on the day of the week, now the largest party in right coalition)
Forza - 14% (Berlusconi's reboot party, previous largest party in right coalition and like "vote for the crook, it's important" type status)
Brothers of Italy - 4% (part of right coalition, anti-Europe conservatives but with legacy tied to past fascist parties, also founded by and run by a woman...so MISLEADING NAME)
Free and Equal - 3% (non-coalition left party/alliance, like a wee step to the left of social democrats)
More Europe - 3% (part of left coalition, the current state of the historical Radicals, classical liberals/left-libertarian alliance, pro-Europe)

Us with Italy - 1% (part of right coalition, more standard european christian democrat party)*
Together / Pop Civic List / some regional parties - combined 1.5% (part of left coalition, mishmash of progressive, green, and christian democrats)*

none of the parties or coalitions are going to get 40+% to form a government...this is the worst the Democratic Party has ever done since its founding...the five star, lega, and brothers combo of 54% of the vote means that basically the only solution of a Berlusconi + left coalition agreement that people were hoping on won't really get anywhere even if they pull in free and equal, they'd be able to form a government, but couldn't do anything

*may not get over threshold for PR seats depending on where the votes come from
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2018, 06:54:04 AM
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Giulia De Virgilio and her husband, Vico Vicenzi, both 72-year-old lawyers, walked out of a polling station in Rome’s historic center on Sunday and said they had cast their votes for Mr. Salvini, despite usually voting for the left.

Their comments suggested that Mr. Salvini’s efforts to transform his party from a northern secessionist movement into a force appealing to Italians everywhere had paid off. He convinced the couple that illegal migrants posed an existential threat, especially after a young woman was killed and dismembered in a central Italian town in January. The police arrested Nigerian immigrants in the killing.

“They cut out her heart, her guts — they are cannibals,” said Ms. De Virgilio. She said, “Nigerians are drug dealers.”

That anti-immigrant sentiment, as well as a strong dose of euroskepticism, swept Italy this election season.

The Five Star Movement appealed to voters on both the left and the right, especially in the country’s poorer southern regions. Young voters flocked to their throw-out-the-bums message.

Five Star’s ability to elide hard positions on controversial issues such as immigration and leaving the eurozone, as well as its support for President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, made it a difficult target for its political enemies.

Both Mr. Berlusconi and Mr. Renzi characterized Five Star as the greatest threat to Italy to come along in ages. But now it is Italy’s most popular party
:putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: warcock on March 05, 2018, 06:58:13 AM
Jesus fuck, now that Schlaube is no longer in finance we have Rutte's leash being pulled last week barking against closer union and now 5-star running away with the election.  FML
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2018, 07:00:58 AM
from what I can tell, Italy so screwed up their electoral laws in the last few years that it's not clear exactly what the process is for, well, what looks to be the results of this election, even though they should have expected this after well the last one and everything since then

the best part is that there was agreement between all the major parties for a reform in 2015, and then when they took a secret ballot in Parliament on it, it got battered :dead

then the next one they passed and is still in effect (for the lower house, not the Senate) already had half of it struck down as unconstitutional :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2018, 07:13:03 AM
at least in good news for successful democracy, Putin is polling at 69% against just 8% and 6% for the two leading Western globalist elite puppets threatening destruction of Glorious Russia, so that scare of him falling under 60% a couple weeks ago just appears to be a faulty pollster who is likely trying to undermine Russian democracy probably at the orders of some bitter American deadenders

hopefully the President is enacting strong security measures to ensure that the West cannot attack the important democratic electoral processes of the country and also has in place strong corrective measures to counter any attempts at altering the outcome against the will of the Russian people
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Marhunchy on March 05, 2018, 07:21:59 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 05, 2018, 07:00:58 AM
from what I can tell, Italy so screwed up their electoral laws in the last few years that it's not clear exactly what the process is for, well, what looks to be the results of this election, even though they should have expected this after well the last one and everything since then

the best part is that there was agreement between all the major parties for a reform in 2015, and then when they took a secret ballot in Parliament on it, it got battered :dead

then the next one they passed and is still in effect (for the lower house, not the Senate) already had half of it struck down as unconstitutional :trumps

and, from what it looks, the next government will be a limited one, with the sole scope of writing a new electoral law

to have new elections
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Brehvolution on March 05, 2018, 10:44:54 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/kdTAATE.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on March 05, 2018, 01:15:27 PM
No 1. on the Al Qaeda hit list.

Dutch opposition leader Geert Wilders.
Last week he was in Moscow:
(https://images2.persgroep.net/rcs/rNDMW_gBN1ZaM3kcUdLccn-_M7o/diocontent/119634023/_fitwidth/763?appId=e9b4e2a1869038ffcaf318a6d1463b0b&quality=0.8)

This week:
(https://abload.de/img/9bfbd832d0_anp-562542t5km9.jpg)

It's spreading.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on March 05, 2018, 03:54:48 PM
(https://abload.de/img/tenor0ss1w.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: curly on March 05, 2018, 04:11:43 PM
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/970679622307405826

(https://i.imgur.com/8bMzHSB.jpg?1)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on March 05, 2018, 06:58:58 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 05, 2018, 07:13:03 AM
at least in good news for successful democracy, Putin is polling at 69% against just 8% and 6% for the two leading Western globalist elite puppets threatening destruction of Glorious Russia, so that scare of him falling under 60% a couple weeks ago just appears to be a faulty pollster who is likely trying to undermine Russian democracy probably at the orders of some bitter American deadenders

hopefully the President is enacting strong security measures to ensure that the West cannot attack the important democratic electoral processes of the country and also has in place strong corrective measures to counter any attempts at altering the outcome against the will of the Russian people

I believe I heard the administration is working towards Putin winning with roughly 70% of the vote and a 70% turnout (from Julia Ioffe IIRC ?) if possible and without bending the election out of any credibility. As Putin gets older and without any solid succession plan, it's getting increasingly more imperative to sit his legitimacy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on March 06, 2018, 06:22:45 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43277176

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Theresa May has urged the EU to get on with discussing her "ambitious but practical" vision for economic relations with the UK after Brexit.

:lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: chronovore on March 06, 2018, 07:56:22 AM
https://twitter.com/christreilly/status/970350233979891712
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on March 06, 2018, 08:00:02 AM
Quote from: chronovore on March 06, 2018, 07:56:22 AM
https://twitter.com/christreilly/status/970350233979891712


https://twitter.com/luke_kol/status/970591256471638016
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Post by: warcock on March 06, 2018, 08:11:36 AM
Quote from: chronovore on March 06, 2018, 07:56:22 AM
https://twitter.com/christreilly/status/970350233979891712

LOL. I would like a dictatoresque statue like size of this https://goo.gl/images/SaiGC3
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: warcock on March 06, 2018, 12:08:34 PM
Quote from: curly on March 05, 2018, 04:11:43 PM
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/970679622307405826

(https://i.imgur.com/8bMzHSB.jpg?1)

Seeing that figure for the PS is really fucking extraordinary. In hindsight, even if taken at mere face value, that shit should be enshrined in the hall of fame of great political upheavals. Nobody cares well cause france. But how bold in 2017 to bet on the sanity of the general electorate to get through the second tour. (I wanted hamon to win)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on March 06, 2018, 03:41:44 PM
The PS has been a fucking shit show for at least 4-5 rounds of presidential elections breh.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: warcock on March 06, 2018, 03:51:55 PM
Quote from: Raist on March 06, 2018, 03:41:44 PM
The PS has been a fucking shit show for at least 4-5 rounds of presidential elections breh.

Quand meme depuis la derniere presidentielle. It's a pretty dramatic shift.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on March 06, 2018, 06:23:28 PM
Quote from: curly on March 05, 2018, 04:11:43 PM
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/970679622307405826

(https://i.imgur.com/8bMzHSB.jpg?1)
Because Corbyn is also bought and paid for by...

The Russians  :success
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Corporal on March 06, 2018, 09:03:35 PM
In news that actually matter, if you're in Germany you can spend 70 cents on postage and mail a letter to the Easter Bunny. If you do so before the 23rd of this month, it's gonna reply. The answer will contain a rare first person account of the windup to Easter and a look behind the scenes at Easter Bunny Inc ...and a small token of appreciation.

Quote from: address
Hanni Hase
Am Waldrand 12
27404 Ostereistedt

I have to admit that I'm kinda tempted. Election shmelection. Whatever.  ::) Just gimme Easter Bunny loot.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on March 07, 2018, 03:42:05 AM
That easter bunny thing makes no sense.

Bunnies don't lay eggs FFS.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Brehvolution on March 07, 2018, 11:45:41 AM
Quote from: Raist on March 07, 2018, 03:42:05 AM
That easter bunny thing makes no sense.

Bunnies don't lay eggs FFS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw_gEyg7Nt8

Video proof. Raist disintegrated.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on March 07, 2018, 03:22:22 PM
Geo-political pro-tip

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXtdnXKXcAEWkw2.jpg:large)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: chronovore on March 07, 2018, 11:44:39 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 07, 2018, 03:22:22 PM
Geo-political pro-tip

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXtdnXKXcAEWkw2.jpg:large)
:rofl
:dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on March 08, 2018, 03:18:22 AM
Хочешь чаю ?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on March 08, 2018, 04:04:02 AM
...the harder they fall

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-myanmar-award/u-s-holocaust-museum-rescinds-award-to-myanmars-suu-kyi-idUSKCN1GJ2U0
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on March 08, 2018, 08:44:15 PM
Quote
because of her failure to condemn and stop military attacks on her country’s minority Rohingya Muslims
i'll go out on a limb and assume her power to stop anything the military is doing is only minimally more than mine

i'll go out on another limb and assume her lack of criticism is due to preferring not being put back under house arrest now that she's in her 70s
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on March 08, 2018, 08:47:21 PM
also, it seems like the holocaust museums awards should only be for bad things like awards for "most victims ethnically cleansed" and "most power consolidated in self"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on March 08, 2018, 08:48:12 PM
and it comes with a cash prize, that they have to accept in person, then you arrest them when they come! foolproof!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on March 09, 2018, 08:33:11 PM
It seems like May wants to hold the Russians accountable for nearly killing about 20 people.
But she really needs to ask herself how they managed to pull that off (twice) in the first place.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on March 11, 2018, 03:37:45 PM
You guys should watch the interview that Megyn Kelly did with Putin.
She emotionally brings up the gassed Syrian children.

Putin shrugs and says it doesn't matter  :doge


"DON'T YOU CARE ABOUT KIDS DYING!!"

"It is of no concern"

 :badass
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: FStop7 on March 11, 2018, 07:05:04 PM
Quote
“In my work with the defendants (at the Nuremberg Trails 1945-1949)
I was searching for the nature of evil and I now think I have come close to defining it. A lack of empathy. It’s the one characteristic that connects all the
defendants, a genuine incapacity to feel with their fellow men.


Evil, I think, is the absence of empathy.”

Quotation: Captain G. M. Gilbert, the Army psychologist assigned to
watching the defendants at the Nuremberg trail
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: warcock on March 12, 2018, 04:56:38 AM
This roast of Benoit Hamon is so epic.  :-*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZBh01_M5os
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on March 12, 2018, 03:01:10 PM
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/973250755695034368 (https://twitter.com/ABC/status/973250755695034368)
Put this in the "Events leading up to WW3" column
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Atramental on March 12, 2018, 03:14:44 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/pNKGFKj.jpg)

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on March 13, 2018, 06:28:42 AM
Britain seems rather serious about that nerve agent assassination attempt likely conducted by Russia. Good for them.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: warcock on March 13, 2018, 10:35:58 AM
Gives putin until midnight to explain...lol may bout to get rekt. Rofl russia dont care. Some strong language from the EU kicking her while she is down would tickle my balls.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on March 13, 2018, 11:24:30 AM
Quote from: Nintex on March 12, 2018, 03:01:10 PM
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/973250755695034368 (https://twitter.com/ABC/status/973250755695034368)
Put this in the "Events leading up to WW3" column

Looks like Putin has issued his response.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/13/russian-businessman-close-associate-ofboris-berezovsky-found/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 13, 2018, 05:48:58 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 11, 2018, 03:37:45 PM
You guys should watch the interview that Megyn Kelly did with Putin.
She emotionally brings up the gassed Syrian children.

Putin shrugs and says it doesn't matter  :doge


"DON'T YOU CARE ABOUT KIDS DYING!!"

"It is of no concern"

 :badass

Try to appeal to the good nature of an authoritarian strong-man, brehs. :neogaf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: fizzel on March 13, 2018, 05:56:21 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on March 13, 2018, 06:28:42 AM
Britain seems rather serious about that nerve agent assassination attempt likely conducted by Russia. Good for them.

Bollocks. The real story this week on baby rape island is that a thousand children were being gang fucked by stinking abduls AGAIN. That authorities failed AGAIN, that it was attempted to be covered up AGAIN.

How convenient that story has been utterly buried by this Russia nonsense. It's fucking crap, it doesn't matter and nobody gives a shit.



Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on March 13, 2018, 06:06:45 PM
hm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on March 14, 2018, 04:20:29 AM
https://twitter.com/IntheNow_tweet/status/973601349387636741 (https://twitter.com/IntheNow_tweet/status/973601349387636741)
Wow, this is quite the burn.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: team filler on March 14, 2018, 04:28:59 AM
American democracy annihilated  :putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: curly on March 14, 2018, 04:35:29 AM
Quote from: fizzel on March 13, 2018, 05:56:21 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on March 13, 2018, 06:28:42 AM
Britain seems rather serious about that nerve agent assassination attempt likely conducted by Russia. Good for them.

Bollocks. The real story this week on baby rape island is that a thousand children were being gang fucked by stinking abduls AGAIN. That authorities failed AGAIN, that it was attempted to be covered up AGAIN.

How convenient that story has been utterly buried by this Russia nonsense. It's fucking crap, it doesn't matter and nobody gives a shit.

oh please they're just assimilating to your rich culture of child fucking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: warcock on March 14, 2018, 04:36:01 AM
Quote from: Nintex on March 14, 2018, 04:20:29 AM
https://twitter.com/IntheNow_tweet/status/973601349387636741 (https://twitter.com/IntheNow_tweet/status/973601349387636741)
Wow, this is quite the burn.  :doge

WHATABOUTISMS  ::) ::)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: warcock on March 14, 2018, 02:17:20 PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-google-france/france-to-sue-google-apple-over-developer-contracts-minister-idUSKCN1GQ0SP

Is sg-17 around to cry for the great titans of american innovation or has he been unbanned from RE. Interestingly article mentions Brussels may close double irish dutch cocksandwhichs by 2019.   :-*
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on March 14, 2018, 02:52:32 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/973906107797245953 (https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/973906107797245953)

Trolling level: RUSSIA
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on March 14, 2018, 04:23:53 PM
Quote from: fizzel on March 13, 2018, 05:56:21 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on March 13, 2018, 06:28:42 AM
Britain seems rather serious about that nerve agent assassination attempt likely conducted by Russia. Good for them.

Bollocks. The real story this week on baby rape island is that a thousand children were being gang fucked by stinking abduls AGAIN. That authorities failed AGAIN, that it was attempted to be covered up AGAIN.

How convenient that story has been utterly buried by this Russia nonsense. It's fucking crap, it doesn't matter and nobody gives a shit.

Come on mate, I guess we can argue the level of theatrical / convenient posturing, but a military grade nerve agent being used on British soil by possibly foreign agents if not their government is a pretty big deal, more so than the polonium that was already bad. Casual Belli level of bad if a couple of Brits get caught in collateral damage. Russia could realistically just order their spooks to fake a car accident or put a bullet in the head of every turned spy. That they choose to use such flashy, reckless means is clearly some show of force and a threat (we could detonate chemical bombs on your soil and you'd be none the wiser).

That's not to say that sex rings aren't a scandal worth every bit of coverage. But it's unfair to reduce a matter of national security to such little importance.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: hungrynoob on March 15, 2018, 03:41:50 PM
Quote from: fizzel on March 13, 2018, 05:56:21 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on March 13, 2018, 06:28:42 AM
Britain seems rather serious about that nerve agent assassination attempt likely conducted by Russia. Good for them.

Bollocks. The real story this week on baby rape island is that a thousand children were being gang fucked by stinking abduls AGAIN. That authorities failed AGAIN, that it was attempted to be covered up AGAIN.

How convenient that story has been utterly buried by this Russia nonsense. It's fucking crap, it doesn't matter and nobody gives a shit.

I dont know what story youre referencing but i only opened this thread to confess that as ive been watching our politicians discuss this russia incident, theyre full of deceptive behavior everytime they talk about the attack. Theyre hiding something. And I dont know what to do with this information.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on March 15, 2018, 04:14:25 PM
Theresa May wants to show she's a strong leader and try to regain some confidence from Britons. NATO wants to use this an excuse to deploy more troops to Baltic states and increase Black Sea presence. Also, the Conservatives want to use this as justification to increase the power of the British surveillance state. You're right that she's exaggerating every time she speaks about it. This was surely a brazen action that disrespects British sovereignty, but as an action by Russia against an ex intelligence officer, it isn't at all an attack on the British state.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: hungrynoob on March 15, 2018, 05:41:33 PM
Ima post what i posted on my whatsapp, but im referring to the actual attack itself. This is just one example ive seen.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43405686 < the video in reference and my comments below.

First 6 seconds, barely comprehensible opening statement. He has to read his notes to clarify his position. By 10 seconds, he has to read his notes to say it's atrocious, and when he tries to say its atrocious his throats clogs and he has to repeat himself. There's no energy behind it at all. At around the 18-22 second mark he corrects himself. It sounds like he was going to say "what we have done" but not only that, he looks away. But he is not looking at his notes, he's looking in the other direction, that glance to the floor looks like shame to me. And throughtout the whole thing, there's no emotion from him, no anger, no disgust, no defiance, just the slightest hint at shame. I would expect a lot more eyebrow movement, sometimes the lack of emotion can say a lot. Something feels really off.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: curly on March 15, 2018, 10:52:58 PM
Dude he's just a poor public speaker, if you're basing your belief the attack was staged or whatever on politicians trying unconvincingly to act tough I'm pretty unconvinced. Watch the other clip in that article, that's how he talks.

Edit: I went back and read your original past and this line
Quote from: hungrynoob on March 15, 2018, 03:41:50 PM
Theyre hiding something. And I dont know what to do with this information.
makes  you sound unhinged.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on March 15, 2018, 11:03:03 PM
I think hungrynoob has been hanging in really "antiglobalist" circles lately.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: curly on March 15, 2018, 11:19:35 PM
thinking the lizard people don't have it together enough to lie convincingly  :heh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on March 15, 2018, 11:54:52 PM
Nobody is going to talk about the fact that the PCC lost 7 seats and only got 94.4% of the vote in their 83% turnout election? Miguel Díaz-Canel just doesn't have that revolutionary fervor that the Casto brothers had I guess.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on March 15, 2018, 11:56:29 PM
Thankfully things are looking better for democracy in the next major democratic election after a brief scare a month ago:

(https://i.imgur.com/VCbwhBK.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: hungrynoob on March 16, 2018, 02:39:46 AM
Quote from: curly on March 15, 2018, 10:52:58 PM
Dude he's just a poor public speaker, if you're basing your belief the attack was staged or whatever on politicians trying unconvincingly to act tough I'm pretty unconvinced. Watch the other clip in that article, that's how he talks.

Edit: I went back and read your original past and this line
Quote from: hungrynoob on March 15, 2018, 03:41:50 PM
Theyre hiding something. And I dont know what to do with this information.
makes  you sound unhinged.

Im glad you mentioned the other video, because in my consideration his mannerisms are totally different, in this second video, as he talks about russias involvement in other areas of the world - hes speaking honestly, with emphasis, no slip ups.

Im not a conspiracy theorist, and im certainly not a fan of russia. I mentioned in the triumph thread awhile back, my passion is reading people and seeking the truth. These are my reads. Im not saying for certain that the UK did the attack on its own soil for its own political gain. All im saying is, when our politicians speak about the attack specifically, there are multiple deceptive markers.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Mandark on March 16, 2018, 02:51:54 AM
guys I'm sorry I radicalized hungrynoob by making fun of jp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: hungrynoob on March 16, 2018, 02:57:52 AM
That doesnt even make sense, if anything my post history on these particular matters would be in line with the complete opposite with your insinuations.

I dont care if you dont believe me, i dont expect anyone would - that doesnt change what I see. I've spent the last 3 years studying and practicing reading facial expressions, body language and deception detection. Ranging from Dr Paul Ekman to  Susan Carnicero. Theres no agenda behind it, its just what im seeing.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on March 16, 2018, 03:11:01 AM
please change your username to hungryboob
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on March 16, 2018, 03:11:47 AM
Quote from: hungrynoob on March 16, 2018, 02:57:52 AM
I've spent the last 3 years studying and practicing reading facial expressions, body language and deception detection.
lol newsfeed
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: warcock on March 16, 2018, 03:22:35 AM
Quote from: Shostakovich on March 16, 2018, 03:11:47 AM
Quote from: hungrynoob on March 16, 2018, 02:57:52 AM
I've spent the last 3 years studying and practicing reading facial expressions, body language and deception detection.
lol newsfeed

obligatory.

(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/276/749/286.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: curly on March 16, 2018, 03:23:30 AM
ok now I'm just intrigued, are you doing this for a job or is it a personal hobby?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on March 16, 2018, 03:25:06 AM
neither, he's studying how to detect deception to protect himself and his loved ones. duty isn't a hobby.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnYDrs2ykcI
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2018, 03:30:29 AM
Quote from: hungrynoob on March 16, 2018, 02:57:52 AM
I've spent the last 3 years studying and practicing reading facial expressions, body language and deception detection. Ranging from Dr Paul Ekman to  Susan Carnicero.
Janine Driver?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
did you see how I pretended to know about this topic by mentioning the only person I know of in the field, and due to Red Eye

edit:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olt5-EmRxig
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: hungrynoob on March 16, 2018, 03:54:59 AM
Quote from: curly on March 16, 2018, 03:23:30 AM
ok now I'm just intrigued, are you doing this for a job or is it a personal hobby?

I did this as a personal hobby (although there are other reasons beind it i dont want to get into), im now conducting a presentation outlining the methodologies i use for the board of directors at my company to try centre my career around it, first submission was done 4 days ago, which my boss said I would hear feedback from about today.

As i was in the shower, I want to clarify something, when I said my passion was finding the truth. That doesnt mean my passion is uncovering conspiracies, my passion is knowing whether an individual in any given context is lying or not. If you played 20 questions with me theres a good chance, with the right questions ill find out some of your darkest secrets.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Mandark on March 16, 2018, 04:01:23 AM
Quote from: hungrynoob on March 16, 2018, 03:54:59 AM
If you played 20 questions with me theres a good chance, with the right questions ill find out some of your darkest secrets.

what do you think the rules of 20 questions are?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on March 16, 2018, 04:01:54 AM
lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: hungrynoob on March 16, 2018, 04:03:05 AM
Quote from: Mandark on March 16, 2018, 04:01:23 AM
Quote from: hungrynoob on March 16, 2018, 03:54:59 AM
If you played 20 questions with me theres a good chance, with the right questions ill find out some of your darkest secrets.

what do you think the rules of 20 questions are?

lmao - actually yeah i had something else in my head. Ok 20 questions where you dont have to answer.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: hungrynoob on March 16, 2018, 01:58:38 PM
well my last message made sense in the given context so if you dont understand thats on you.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Mandark on March 16, 2018, 02:12:51 PM
nah man that's still not how 20 questions works
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on March 16, 2018, 02:28:52 PM
look mandark if you don't understand, that's on you

maybe spend the next 3 years studying Dr. Paul Eckman and you'll stand a chance
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Mandark on March 16, 2018, 02:34:09 PM
A GAME OF 20 QUESTIONS

HUNGRYBOOB: with my years of training in body language and microexpressions, he will be no match for me

ME: I'm thinking of... a penguin! Aw yeah.

HUNGRYBOOB: Judging from your suspicious lack of eyebrow movement, you killed Seth Rich, didn't you?

ME: o fuk
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Broseidon on March 16, 2018, 02:55:32 PM
Quote from: hungrynoob on March 16, 2018, 01:58:38 PM
well my last message made sense in the given context so if you dont understand thats on you.

(http://i.imgur.com/m7IxQT1.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: hungrynoob on March 16, 2018, 04:32:25 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 16, 2018, 02:12:51 PM
nah man that's still not how 20 questions works

nah i know im an idiot sometimes but what i said isnt wrong.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on March 16, 2018, 04:36:40 PM
take this shovel, it's dangerous above ground
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: hungrynoob on March 16, 2018, 04:46:26 PM
"I dont understand something therefore it must not be true"

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on March 16, 2018, 04:49:45 PM
No, you're supposed to ask a question!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: hungrynoob on March 16, 2018, 05:00:31 PM
No, youre supposed to dismantle something you view as false with fact and logic.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on March 16, 2018, 05:02:23 PM
spent three years dedicated to the art of defense against deception but can't even tell when I'm shitposting

hungryboob pls
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: hungrynoob on March 16, 2018, 05:07:35 PM
willing to accept im being overly defensive, because im not being railroaded due to pure shitposting - i stand by my read that sparked this bullshit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2018, 07:56:52 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 16, 2018, 02:34:09 PM
HUNGRYBOOB: Judging from your suspicious lack of eyebrow movement, you killed Seth Rich, didn't you?

ME: o fuk
HE ADMITS IT
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Baiano19 on March 17, 2018, 03:14:29 PM
Quote from: Raist on March 06, 2018, 08:00:02 AM
Quote from: chronovore on March 06, 2018, 07:56:22 AM
https://twitter.com/christreilly/status/970350233979891712


https://twitter.com/luke_kol/status/970591256471638016

Fuck I can't even know what's real anymore
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on March 18, 2018, 07:59:36 AM
Prepare yourself Armchair generals

Rumor: NATO is massing a fleet for an air-assault on Assad's troops fighting the rebels in Damascus to give Putin a 'bloody nose' at the start of his 4th term.
Fact: Ukraine blocked access to Russian consulates to prevent Russians living in Ukraine from voting in the elections. Based on a 'threat by radicals'. The Russians are fuming, threatening to invade.

https://twitter.com/L0gg0l/status/975338054952026112 (https://twitter.com/L0gg0l/status/975338054952026112)

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on March 19, 2018, 04:33:45 AM
DEMOCRACY PREVAILS
Code: [Select]
Candidate Party %
Vladimir Putin Independent 76.67
Pavel Grudinin Communist Party 11.79
Vladimir Zhirinovsky Liberal Democratic Party 5.66
Ksenia Sobchak Civic Initiative 1.67
Grigory Yavlinsky Yabloko 1.04
Boris Titov Party of Growth 0.76
Maxim Suraykin Communists of Russia 0.68
Sergey Baburin Russian All-People's Union 0.65
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on March 19, 2018, 04:37:09 AM
dangerous hipster held under 2%: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ksenia_Sobchak
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/Kseniya_Sobchak_%287174599660%29.jpg/640px-Kseniya_Sobchak_%287174599660%29.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: HardcoreRetro on March 19, 2018, 05:18:24 AM
Some of them are more equal than others.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on March 19, 2018, 08:02:53 AM
Quote from: Dufus on March 19, 2018, 05:17:33 AM
why are there at least three separate communist parties :doge
most democracies have three or more communist parties due to SPLITTERS and REVISIONISTS and TENDENCIES
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: jorma on March 19, 2018, 09:44:52 AM
Quote from: Dufus on March 19, 2018, 05:17:33 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 19, 2018, 04:33:45 AM
DEMOCRACY PREVAILS
Code: [Select]
Candidate Party %
Vladimir Putin Independent 76.67
Pavel Grudinin Communist Party 11.79
Vladimir Zhirinovsky Liberal Democratic Party 5.66
Ksenia Sobchak Civic Initiative 1.67
Grigory Yavlinsky Yabloko 1.04
Boris Titov Party of Growth 0.76
Maxim Suraykin Communists of Russia 0.68
Sergey Baburin Russian All-People's Union 0.65

why are there at least three separate communist parties :doge

That's nothing. Sweden has 6 social democrat parties, and that's just the ones represented in parliament.
As an added bonus, at least half of them hate the Social Democratic workers party.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on March 19, 2018, 06:25:49 PM
https://twitter.com/L0gg0l/status/975860139201875968 (https://twitter.com/L0gg0l/status/975860139201875968)

Don't worry bois
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: curly on March 21, 2018, 06:59:26 PM
https://twitter.com/AlexEmmons/status/976568819585110018

:lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: BisMarckie on March 21, 2018, 07:11:16 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 19, 2018, 08:02:53 AM

most democracies have three or more communist parties due to SPLITTERS and REVISIONISTS and TENDENCIES

I had a friend in college who was a member of a communist party and the impression I got was that they hate the other communist parties more than anything else.
It's basically this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQsbgoJU_Vk

But only the fourth international vs the fifth international  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: team filler on March 21, 2018, 07:12:17 PM
https://twitter.com/TheRynheart/status/976249573869064192
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: chronovore on March 21, 2018, 11:22:35 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/nicolas-sarkozy-gaddafi-funding-police-custody-questioning-former-french-president-a8264436.html

 :delicious
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on March 22, 2018, 01:59:51 AM
Quote from: chronovore on March 21, 2018, 11:22:35 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/nicolas-sarkozy-gaddafi-funding-police-custody-questioning-former-french-president-a8264436.html

 :delicious

(https://abload.de/img/sarkogvsdi.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on March 24, 2018, 02:56:06 AM
Nothing funnier than him going to the media and be all indignant and his grating self about it. What a prick.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on March 24, 2018, 11:48:14 AM
Egypt is going to have a Presidential election, if you're skeptical or worried about the flourishing of democracy you should know that there is in fact a candidate running against Sisi after all:
Quote
Moussa Mostafa Moussa, a pro-Sisi politician who had an active role in collecting nomination pledges for Sisi’s second term until 20 January ... Moussa submitted his nomination pledges and official paperwork to the commission just 15 minutes before the deadline.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on March 25, 2018, 06:56:45 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 24, 2018, 11:48:14 AM
Egypt is going to have a Presidential election, if you're skeptical or worried about the flourishing of democracy you should know that there is in fact a candidate running against Sisi after all:
Quote
Moussa Mostafa Moussa, a pro-Sisi politician who had an active role in collecting nomination pledges for Sisi’s second term until 20 January ... Moussa submitted his nomination pledges and official paperwork to the commission just 15 minutes before the deadline.
I'm still waiting for a political scenario where the strong man of a nation sends a flunky to run against him to make it look democratic and loses.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on March 25, 2018, 05:29:05 PM
When you accidentally bomb your own country
https://twitter.com/L0gg0l/status/978018919196823552 (https://twitter.com/L0gg0l/status/978018919196823552)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on March 26, 2018, 06:45:06 PM
Current state of geo politics
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZPYgMQVwAA-DUc.jpg:large)

 :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Corporal on March 29, 2018, 09:26:26 AM
I think more research needs to be done in this regard:

Quote from: politico
Charles de Gaulle was right.

The former president articulated the despair of French officials throughout history when he said, “How can you govern a country which has 246 varieties of cheese?”

We set out to test that theory by comparing the number of cheeses each EU country produces with its political stability (or otherwise).
(https://abload.de/img/cheezedcso6.png) (source {with fancy mouseover SFX} (https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-cheese-index-political-stability-perception/))
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: HardcoreRetro on March 29, 2018, 12:24:07 PM
There's probably some holes in that research.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on March 29, 2018, 05:32:04 PM
https://twitter.com/L0gg0l/status/979455995691839492 (https://twitter.com/L0gg0l/status/979455995691839492)

NATO member sending troops to defend locals against a NATO ally  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Broseidon on March 30, 2018, 06:30:07 PM
https://twitter.com/cher/status/979776399866191872
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Corporal on March 31, 2018, 08:25:01 AM
Someone translate that for me, I'm too old for this twitter shit.

Anyway, in the continuing saga of self-inflicted humiliation, Germany now has to admit it won't be able to supply the 10 Tornado jets it pledged for the NATO response force. We have 93 of those 1980's deathtraps, of which on average 63 will work at any given time (although full operational capability can only be garanteed for 16-ish of those). Terrible as it is, that still wouldn't be a problem. However, they are severely out of date. Like, it's a wonder those things are allowed to take off.

They do not have a Friend or Foe system installed (and if they get started on this right now, it will not be operational until after 2019, at the earliest).
Also: the currently installed communications subsystem doesn't support encryption. Like, at all. Note please, these are the sole German delivery system for US nukes in case major shit goes down.

Bonus: They will remain in service until 2035.

It's one thing to have a shitty ass broken military, but if you commit to a multinational task force, you better not do shit like this.

How embarassing.


Oh, and also, it looks like A400M will rip a major hole in the military budget because those stupid chucklefucks lent Airbus&Co more than five hundred million Eurobucks, which will have to come from their upcoming budget. However, the stupid things wouldn't sell if they gave them away for free, which is the contract clause for getting that money back.

Plus, back in the day we preordered 53, then backpedalled to 40 but haven't found a single buyer for those 13 extra machines that we must buy no matter what. Even at discount pricing. They now resort to sponsoring sales shows for Airbus and their ilk, to practically no success. Again, Airbus won't be paying back a dime unless they sell a bunch of them flying toasters, and at the same time they now have the German military openly undercutting their own pricing right from the getgo. Awesome planning.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Rufus on March 31, 2018, 10:45:38 AM
Are we still paying McKinsey to consult?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Corporal on March 31, 2018, 01:21:57 PM
You mean, for handling those dirty refugees?

I dunno, but given how addicted we Germans are to that company, I'd wager the answer is yes, no matter the sector in question. I wouldn't be shocked at all if they also had a finger in the pie regarding our burning wasteheap of a military. All I remember is, for the last five years or so our main defence procurement post was (wo)manned by an ex-McKinsey staffer (Katrin Suder).

//random:
I wish we could be more confident and consistent with our messaging regarding the "autonomous machines in warfare" issue. When Russia, China and the US are so firmly against regulation, you just know which way the wind blows. At first Germany were for a ban, now it's all "mi mi mi, let's compromise like little bitchlings" and "we have no clue on the matter anyway, it's too early, we need a war of machines first before we commit to anything". I mean, that's kinda what diplomacy is all about, but it still annoys me that we may see systems enter large scale adoption before any sort of worldwide agreement on their use is achieved. Just flying by the seat of our pants, as always. Fecking hoomans.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Rufus on March 31, 2018, 01:52:54 PM
Specifically meant the military, sorry. But you bring up a good point, they're everywhere these days... Excellent way to defer responsibility, after all. :goty2

Ha! Just read about the murderbots. Of course Germany (and France :'( ) is waffling on regulation, can't let this business opportunity go to waste.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on April 01, 2018, 05:19:16 AM
Quote from: Nintex on March 25, 2018, 06:56:45 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 24, 2018, 11:48:14 AM
Egypt is going to have a Presidential election, if you're skeptical or worried about the flourishing of democracy you should know that there is in fact a candidate running against Sisi after all:
Quote
Moussa Mostafa Moussa, a pro-Sisi politician who had an active role in collecting nomination pledges for Sisi’s second term until 20 January ... Moussa submitted his nomination pledges and official paperwork to the commission just 15 minutes before the deadline.
I'm still waiting for a political scenario where the strong man of a nation sends a flunky to run against him to make it look democratic and loses.
so close:
Quote
Candidate   Party   Votes   %
Abdel Fattah el-Sisi   Independent   21,540,185   97.11
Moussa Mostafa Moussa   El-Ghad Party   641,982   2.89
Invalid/blank votes   1,499,682   –
Total   23,681,849   100
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on April 01, 2018, 06:17:23 AM
I like how dictators who try to hide what they are always run independent.

Still I prefer a general for Egypt over the Muslim Brotherhood filling up stadiums calling for Jihad.
Title: I was bored and browsed the smiley faces. Then I wrote a post to use them with.
Post by: Corporal on April 01, 2018, 01:27:30 PM
The depantsing of Germany continues. Kinda.

Remember how we're all about that privacy thing? At least, we like to pretend to. There's countless exceptions where we happily look the other way, like the Schufa credit worthiness rating system that is a data leaker of epic proportions, or how our government gleefully sells data from our car registries and countless other sources. Still. Ahem. DSHERMAN PRIVACY STRONK. BECAUSE WE SAY SO.  :hyper

Right now the Deutsche Post, our privatized national post service, has gotten caught with their hands in the proverbial cookie jar.  :money
From 2005 onwards, they sold data from their customers (i.e. anyone with a postage address in Germany) via a spun off targeted advertiser firm to political parties.

CDU and FDP, our version of the Republicans and Liberals respectively, paid five figures each for access to street-specific data for targeted advertising/propaganda. Each house on a given street was assigned a score between 1 and 100 regarding likely party affinity and other metrics from various sources, then besieged with microtargeted spam.

That's probably pretty tame for non-Europeans, but this is Germany, and after the Cambridge Analytica thing it's kind of a sensitive issue right now. Still at the storm in a teacup stage, but one cannot help but laugh how well it fits.


I fear I'm getting used to this. I might even be starting to like this exhibitionist thing. Can't be shamed if you enjoy having your junk out in the open. :rollsafe

Bring it on, ya prudes. Yes, the emperor has no clothes. And a micropenis and foot-long pubes. BUT SO WHAT. Get an eyeful of good oldfashioned Kraut Wingwang! :phil
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on April 01, 2018, 07:08:22 PM
Merkel seems to be untouchable either way.

She got through the thing where the Germans tanked Greece.
The adventure in Ukraine with the Visegrad Group that went awry.
Volkswagen cheating on emissions and gassing monkeys  :'(
She said: "Wir schaffen das" and create the biggest humanitarian disaster in recent history when in fact Cameron was 'this' close to sending the UK navy to close up the Somalia/Libya sea routes

Some stolen voter data is not going to rock the boat. It's just going to be awkward to tell Putin he's cheating, when you know...

The same with our prime minister. Mark Rutte has just started his third cabinet.
- Managed to survive losing 3 justice ministers in a row
- A corruption scandal within his party
- The refugee crisis mess
- A calculation error at an EU meeting that cost us 2 billion eurobucks
- The MH17 disaster
- The cover-up of the MH17 disaster
- The cover-up of the cover-up of the MH17 disaster
- Backing up lies of his right hand man(foreign minister for about 2 weeks) lying about a meeting with Putin that never took place
- Telling voters not a single dime would go to Greece, wiring the money basically a week later
- Promising voters a 1000 Eurobucks each and not delivering
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Corporal on April 01, 2018, 08:32:15 PM
The Dieselgate bit is what's really annoying me to no end. On one hand, I respect that Germany can't very well kill off their own car industry out of obligation, but when the car makers are raking in mad dough while lying through their teeth and getting busted left and right in the most obvious manner, it's incredibly insulting to try to sit this one out.

Well, at least Germany is now THIS close to getting sued by EU for failing to protect its citizens from particles and noxious emissions from cars.

Along with pretty much all the other bigger EU countries.

Getting a weird sense of satisfaction from us maybe possibly some day getting our shit pushed back in for always safeguarding our car industry and the precious Diesels as if they were the most fragile thing on Earth. While sleeping on electric / selfdriving cars and renewables and that internet thing and pretty much everything else not invented a century ago.

Still, what a grand look. "You fuckers failed in the most basic way to protect the normal citizenry from painfully and slowly choking on noxious fumes, and you'll now have to hand over an arm and a leg after multiple very public warnings from a normally toothless tiger you yourself created." Amazing.

Also goes great hand-in-hand with the way we Germans appear to already have used up our CO2 budget for the year around the next few days or so, if you want to believe some leftie treehugger types, or sometime later in the next few months according to our own gubbermint. Who cares either way, we're gonna bust that sucker big time. AGAIN.

MUST PROTECT OLD AND CRUSTY INDUSTRY
BURN MORE CLEAN COALZ, ATMOSPHER IS HUEG
GUZZLE MORE GAS FROM RUSSIA FUK YEA BEST BUDDIES
WHO CARES THAT OUR SOLAR INDUSTRY IS ONCE AGAIN DED
SELL THEM TO THE CHINESE, NOBODY WANTS OR NEEDS CLEAN ENERGY
DURRRRR  :derp

It's tragic, in an entirely avoidable, hilarious way.

Also, I still cackle like a madman that we managed to get stuck with the Puigdemont hot potato like complete and utter buffooons.


I swear, our entire country has decided to compete with the Britons and their Mad Cow Disease fueled romp towards self-harm, only without giving it a fancy name.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on April 02, 2018, 04:23:23 PM
https://twitter.com/L0gg0l/status/980900562102349824 (https://twitter.com/L0gg0l/status/980900562102349824)

The Saudi Crown prince finally sold out the Palestinian cause
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Valhelm on April 03, 2018, 03:36:49 PM
Happened decades ago. Israel and Saudi Arabia have realized that the facade of animosity isn't helpful anymore, now that Iran's soft-power game seems to be unstoppable
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: warcock on April 04, 2018, 07:55:36 AM
Quote from: Valhelm on April 03, 2018, 03:36:49 PM
Happened decades ago. Israel and Saudi Arabia have realized that the facade of animosity isn't helpful anymore, now that Iran's soft-power game seems to be unstoppable

No. That statement is significant if not a slip. Yes practically speaking they are fighting a common enemy, but the means the saudi barbarians have used to compete with Iran make it difficuly to openly admit this. They doubled down on exporting aggro wahabbism, to fight the iranians and give them credibility at home with hard liners. A central tenet of the imam s ideology is death to the jews. You can see how the crown prince saying this is meaningful. What is concerning to me though is that this may imply that the saudis may be starting to consider direct conventional confrontation with Iran, in which case coordination with the Israelis would be ideal maybe perhaps even necessary. $$$ is a helluva drug.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on April 04, 2018, 07:09:25 PM
According to the experts(TM) the deal is this.

Trump and Kushner are playing hardball with the Saudi's. The Arabs have to join the Israeli's and the Kurds against the Iran-Assad-axis and pay the US in some form. Otherwise the US withdraws from Syria having 'defeated' ISIS leaving another proxy state for Iran to gobble up and the Saudi's isolated now that Erdogan is twerking towards the Russians.

The Arabs are bending over backwards because Kushner apparently gave them the intel that lead to the Palace coup (and there's now an investigation whether or not he was allowed to do that...) and the goal of the new Saudi prince is to list ARAMCO on the most favorable terms possible on the NYSE. Apparently a deal worth $2 trillion. Which is why he's ramming through the reforms. To lure in foreign investment for the upcoming IPO.

So basically Trump's talk about withdrawing is to put pressure on the Saudi's to step up to the plate and come to the aid of the US allies in the region (Israel/Kurds) if not Trump will just cut his losses (except for Israel) and calls quits on reforming the Middle East.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Crash Dummy on April 04, 2018, 07:16:00 PM
is the aramco deal still on? no one knows accurately how much oil they have so the $2 trillion evaluation, for an oil company, is probably going to get laughed at by investors
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on April 04, 2018, 07:29:39 PM
Quote from: Crash Dummy on April 04, 2018, 07:16:00 PM
is the aramco deal still on? no one knows accurately how much oil they have so the $2 trillion evaluation, for an oil company, is probably going to get laughed at by investors
http://www.arabnews.com/node/1262616/business-economy (http://www.arabnews.com/node/1262616/business-economy)

It seems to be a race between Hong Kong, London and New York. With New York now running in front.
The Saudi's need the money from the IPO for their reforms after running into deficits over the past few years.

In any case it is expected to be the biggest IPO in history. It could usher in some sort of new 'golden age' for the world economy or the whole thing could collapse the markets (again).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: warcock on April 05, 2018, 01:56:57 AM
Reforming the middle east? Hahahaha ok bruh. TM indeed.  I mean i buy the trump play because he is a lunatic surrounded by slightly lesser lunatics, the man has time and again caused self harm through his ignorance. I dunno maybe the experts are framing this in FPS for the dramatic factor. I could buy that with oil reserves cropping up elsewhere and the rise of alternative energy the middle east s ROI is declining considering all its drawbacks but withdrawing is pretty much tantamount to throwing in the towel of world hegemon in terms of optics despite the math. Its far fetched. A fairly less convoluted explanation is that the saudi monarchy cares fuck all about their cultural inheritance and is pragmatic when it comes to preserving their rule over their country (eg wealth) and influence in the region.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on April 05, 2018, 03:53:35 AM
As Wrath notes, I thought it was basically accepted wisdom at this point that Iran acquiring nuclear weapons means the Saudi's do the same within a couple months simply due to their jockeying for position within the Islamic world. Israel's not really ever been considered a threat by them. The Saudi's like Jordan put up basically a form letter fuss over Israel taking out Osirak. They'd probably outright pay for them to pull off something similar with Iran.

And Israel is a least bad "friend" much like it was for Egypt especially if you want to diversify your economy and play that double game with the West and the Islamic world. Really, Jordan's kinda a prime example of dealing with the reality of Israel not really hurting you too badly. Especially considering their location. (Sadat made a more significant strategic error personally you could argue.) And in a region with the level of internal turmoil from the Iraq invasion through the Arab Spring to today, Israel even with Palestine included is practically a stable state.

Besides, at this point, nobody is seriously working for anything "greater" than a two-state solution with "Palestine" essentially unofficially propped up by Israel/Jordan anyway. I read last year that modernizing Palestinian groups are starting to shift more towards a focus on equal rights within Israel (de facto or de jure) as that's more pressing to many of people's day-to-day lives than an all or nothing stand for a hypothetical state none of them ever lived in and is still physically divided. With polls showing that it's flipped into where mainstream Israel is more hostile now to just subsuming the entire area and granting further rights to then-Israeli Arab citizens because of the population differences. Relatively of course to past surveys.

Of course, I don't know shit about any of this because I've always wondered why anyone in the region would want the many "proposals" made over the years by the many elites considering the history of exclaves and enclaves, especially ethnic ones.

Especially when you have the obvious and entirely uncontroversial answer to abolish all the states all together and live in peaceful harmony of voluntary interaction without an entity claiming a monopoly on licit violence sitting right in front of you.

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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: curly on April 07, 2018, 04:52:39 AM
The death of the two state solution is more a situation of most pro-Palestinian groups coming to the realization that after decades of negotiations towards two states they've made no progress and Israeli colonization of the West Bank has in fact worsened the situation, as well as making any chance of a viable Palestinian state more remote. Any hypothetical Palestinian state that could possibly get Israeli would be a bantustan with no real independence.

Parts (maybe the majority? not sure) of the Israeli right wants a one-state solution as well, although obviously under very different conditions where Israel would annex the West Bank and either keep them there as heavily policed non citizen residents with limited freedom of movement or expel them to someplace like Jordan (shoutouts to ethnic cleansing enthusiast Ben Shapiro). As a non-expert it sounds idiotic to me, the Palestinian Authority is quite convenient to Israel for managing unrest in the West Bank, but hey when you get the chance to reclaim Judea and Samaria you gotta take it.

The other side of this is that in many ways it already is a de facto single state if we put aside the more complicated situation in Gaza. The West Bank has been occupied for over 50 years at this point. Activist groups have been drawing the parallel to apartheid South Africa for a while now and imo at least it rings quite true. The Boycott Divestment Sanctions movement is a conscious emulation of anti-Apartheid tactics.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on April 07, 2018, 05:13:42 PM
Quote from: curly on April 07, 2018, 04:52:39 AM
Any hypothetical Palestinian state that could possibly get Israeli would be a bantustan with no real independence.
:ohyeah my man, I couldn't think of this term for the life of me when I wrote that post. Comparing it to the South African situation was exactly what I was thinking of by "still physically divided."

The banustan's are a much better comparative than say, the two halves of Pakistan, which I've seen some use.

Other than the obvious reasons, I've wondered for a while why the UN via Jordan couldn't be made the trustee of the Arabs "within Israel" with the majority regions then autonomous within a larger Israel or something. It's obviously not a long term solution (unlike the 70 year long current one) but it would at least end the situation where they're both technically stateless people and at the same time supposed to form a full state divided and occupied by Israel before anyone takes them seriously.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Atramental on April 09, 2018, 03:38:11 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/IoKHiRz.jpg)

:thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 09, 2018, 04:37:27 PM
He's out there chopping off the heads of rich people?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: curly on April 09, 2018, 06:10:31 PM
https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/983408251864846336?s=19

"The link between church and state has deteriorated, it is our duty to repair it."

Macron things he's the neoliberal Louis XIV.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Momo on April 11, 2018, 10:27:50 AM
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/get-ready-russia-trump-announces-syrian-missile-strike-twitter-gas-killing-animal-assad/

:doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Corporal on April 12, 2018, 04:16:00 AM
Germoney is happily selling arms to Saudi Arabia (and Egypt and Quatar) despite posturing earlier about immediately ceasing arms sales to any countries involved in Yemen - this was one of the major sticking points of the Great Coalition agreement. Saudia Arabia even became our biggest client in Q1/2018 by tripling the order volume over last year. Good going, there.
 :money

Also: A couple thousand Syrian fugitives that Germany already has accepted are now actively trying (and succeeding) to illegally smuggle themselves OUT of Germany and back to Turkey, via Greece. Up to 4000 may already be "missing". Some smugglers have already stopped their usual inwards route and have gone full time Greece->Turkey, it's that bad.
The reason: German policy has changed to a far less cooperative stance with regards to allowing family members of fugitives in. That is also due to the above GCA. The policy change was sent in writing to the fugitives in question, who understandably were less than thrilled about this.
In case you're curious: getting from Greece to Turkey by illegal means costs you around 200 Eurobucks.

Meanwhile, our army is trialing to bolster our utterly depleted reserve stockpile by training civilians with weekend courses. The hell. Oh well, if it's stupid and it works, then it ain't stupid. (I very much doubt it will work, though.) In other news, our Tornados still aren't fully night flight capable. The public became aware of that back in... 2012-ish, I think. Six years of nothing, in between.

Seven months ago, the German public voted. Four weeks ago, the ministers were sworn in. Yesterday, they had a 24 hour meeting to "reach working capacity", as Merkel herself put it. Only slightly kidding, they were locked into a room and only allowed out a few hours later.  I feel this Great Coalition thing is off to a great start. Well, the budget for 2018 needs to be finalized within the next three weeks or so, so at least one of them is probably beautifully spinning in place. I mean, so far we don't even know what the government wants to do beyond the somewhat vague GCA. This is like flying blind. At night. In a German Tornado.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on April 13, 2018, 11:48:43 AM
The Russians have made a massive error with their latest move to try and change the narrative.
https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/984814807961489409 (https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/984814807961489409)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: hungrynoob on April 14, 2018, 12:23:50 PM
(https://i.redditmedia.com/t1Ye0KZMWo6NLlNq9HxGD9ygyVtK3aZT-R8Gq4sEkcE.jpg?w=889&s=2baab5feb6d55c5732a0bed92d21211f)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 14, 2018, 03:35:51 PM
woah if true
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: hungrynoob on April 14, 2018, 05:29:18 PM
Coming back to report its been confirmed twitter post is fake intel. But big conspiracy going on right now, something major going on behind the scenes. Keep an eye out for Iran before end of april not sure what just something.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 14, 2018, 05:53:14 PM
Quote from: hungrynoob on April 14, 2018, 05:29:18 PM
Coming back to report its been confirmed twitter post is fake intel.

no way
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: hungrynoob on April 14, 2018, 05:57:59 PM
lmao complicated. Let's just see what happens next.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on April 14, 2018, 06:08:43 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DaxcXkXXcAEkIUk.jpg:large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dau2uYbX0AAa3bo.jpg:large)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: hungrynoob on April 14, 2018, 06:29:39 PM
Just keep awareness on the fact that whoever this source is, we have no evidence of intention.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: curly on April 14, 2018, 06:31:33 PM
what
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: hungrynoob on April 14, 2018, 06:33:33 PM
Adding to post of source validation, theres been quite a lot and i dont have everything to hand but this is one i reference most.

OPEN THIS: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZ1LtStVMAElD5g.jpg
THEN OPEN THIS: https://youtu.be/6vL__eSzqCo?t=1m5s

(Part at 1:04)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: curly on April 14, 2018, 08:23:31 PM
is hillary clinton a pedophile

y/n
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on April 14, 2018, 08:27:04 PM
(https://static.standard.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2013/10/04/11/22RONANFARROWMAIN0410.jpg?w968h681)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Mandark on April 14, 2018, 08:51:03 PM
did hungryboob go full qanon?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Mr Gilhaney on April 14, 2018, 08:57:34 PM
Quote from: curly on April 14, 2018, 08:23:31 PM
is hillary clinton a pedophile

y/n

yes, but don't let this whole hillary pedo thing ,distract you from the fact that a man of the Island Erangel, an isolated region which you probably never heard of, with a population of only 100, armed himself with a kar98k sniper rifle, a ump fully automatic machine gun, and a standard kitchen frying pan and proceeded to slaughter the whole island's population. This terrible rampage, which started in a school and made its way through an underground bunker, eventually came to an end with the absolute madman enjoying a chicken dinner in the nearby military base, like nothing had ever happened.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: curly on April 14, 2018, 09:08:18 PM
Quote from: hungrynoob on April 14, 2018, 06:33:33 PM
Adding to post of source validation, theres been quite a lot and i dont have everything to hand but this is one i reference most.

OPEN THIS: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZ1LtStVMAElD5g.jpg
THEN OPEN THIS: https://youtu.be/6vL__eSzqCo?t=1m5s

(Part at 1:04)

Your go to piece of evidence is somebody on 4chan asked q to get Trump to say "tip-top" at the State of the Union back in January. Trump did not say tip-top at the State of the Union, but he did on Easter, months later, in a speech that appears not to have been prepared beforehand. Again, this is your go-to piece of evidence.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Broseidon on April 15, 2018, 11:51:33 AM
hungrynoob please take your risperidone
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: hungrynoob on April 16, 2018, 12:44:36 AM
(https://qanonposts.com/images/be66571c8970d0b8e0ae86028f7bc59dab9fe5ac94bf3087b96997e6f23767fd.png)

it is - if nothing else - entertaining
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on April 16, 2018, 01:59:45 PM
Quote from: hungrynoob on April 16, 2018, 12:44:36 AM
(https://qanonposts.com/images/be66571c8970d0b8e0ae86028f7bc59dab9fe5ac94bf3087b96997e6f23767fd.png)

it is - if nothing else - entertaining

The best one was when Trump used +++ in a Tweet out of nowhere after Qanon used it in a post the day before.

I think Qanon is legit but he's not the super spy who he says he is. Probably a 4chan troll who got a job in the Trump admin and is making the most out of it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 16, 2018, 02:30:09 PM
Quote from: Nintex on April 16, 2018, 01:59:45 PM
Probably a 4chan troll who got a job in the Trump admin and is making the most out of it.

Given the character of the folk that Trump surrounds himself with, and the lack of any real vetting, I would not be surprised if it was some low-level staffer [who knows just enough to sound smart to people who are easily fooled].
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: hungrynoob on April 16, 2018, 03:03:31 PM
Theres no evidence to confirm it to be either or so everyones entitled to make their own mind up as the story unfolds, but let me ask you this, if the Iran prediction isn't disinfo, just how low a staffer are you giving credit to having such (what i would regard as) high class info?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: curly on April 16, 2018, 03:38:05 PM
Actually I'm QAnon, I'm also guccifer 2.0 and Seth Rich
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Mandark on April 16, 2018, 03:54:16 PM
Trump's talked publicly about leaving the JCPOA since he was a candidate. There's a deadline next month for European allies to figure something out to prevent this. Iran's already backing a different set of proxies than the US in Syria. We saw widespread and violent protests in Iran already this year. Inflation is running around 50% there.

Saying "something will happen with Iran, don't know what" like it's an actual prediction or evidence of insider info is basically astrology.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: curly on April 16, 2018, 06:15:48 PM
https://twitter.com/AJEnglish/status/985986222198808578

Monopolytheism brehs
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: EightBitNate on April 16, 2018, 06:31:31 PM
Am g next?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: hungrynoob on April 16, 2018, 06:59:30 PM
Quote from: Mandark on April 16, 2018, 03:54:16 PM


Saying "something will happen with Iran, don't know what" like it's an actual prediction or evidence of insider info is basically astrology.

Actually thats just terminology I used, the actual message was more direct about the information. It said Iran will be next missile target in April.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on April 16, 2018, 07:27:43 PM
Quote from: EightBitNate on April 16, 2018, 06:31:31 PM
Am g next?
It's a cursive I and this joke was tasteless as fuck
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Broseidon on April 16, 2018, 08:02:52 PM
Quote from: Shostakovich on April 16, 2018, 07:27:43 PM
Quote from: EightBitNate on April 16, 2018, 06:31:31 PM
Am g next?
It's a cursive I and this joke was tasteless as fuck

what do you expect from someone who masturbates in the presence of their sister :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: VomKriege on April 17, 2018, 02:26:13 AM
Quote from: Broseidon on April 16, 2018, 08:02:52 PM
Quote from: Shostakovich on April 16, 2018, 07:27:43 PM
Quote from: EightBitNate on April 16, 2018, 06:31:31 PM
Am g next?
It's a cursive I and this joke was tasteless as fuck

what do you expect from someone who masturbates in the presence of their sister :doge

Suffer like G did ?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on April 18, 2018, 01:54:34 PM
https://twitter.com/CSISKoreaChair/status/986661891157254144 (https://twitter.com/CSISKoreaChair/status/986661891157254144)

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: warcock on April 18, 2018, 02:01:45 PM
Quote from: Nintex on April 18, 2018, 01:54:34 PM
https://twitter.com/CSISKoreaChair/status/986661891157254144 (https://twitter.com/CSISKoreaChair/status/986661891157254144)

 :doge5

I hope kim jong sis shows a bit of cleavage or at least a bit of skin. An olive branch of sorts.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Mandark on April 21, 2018, 06:02:14 PM
Quote from: curly on April 07, 2018, 04:52:39 AM
The death of the two state solution is more a situation of most pro-Palestinian groups coming to the realization that after decades of negotiations towards two states they've made no progress and Israeli colonization of the West Bank has in fact worsened the situation, as well as making any chance of a viable Palestinian state more remote. Any hypothetical Palestinian state that could possibly get Israeli would be a bantustan with no real independence.

Parts (maybe the majority? not sure) of the Israeli right wants a one-state solution as well, although obviously under very different conditions where Israel would annex the West Bank and either keep them there as heavily policed non citizen residents with limited freedom of movement or expel them to someplace like Jordan (shoutouts to ethnic cleansing enthusiast Ben Shapiro). As a non-expert it sounds idiotic to me, the Palestinian Authority is quite convenient to Israel for managing unrest in the West Bank, but hey when you get the chance to reclaim Judea and Samaria you gotta take it.

The other side of this is that in many ways it already is a de facto single state if we put aside the more complicated situation in Gaza. The West Bank has been occupied for over 50 years at this point. Activist groups have been drawing the parallel to apartheid South Africa for a while now and imo at least it rings quite true. The Boycott Divestment Sanctions movement is a conscious emulation of anti-Apartheid tactics.

The apartheid comparison stings people who believe in the development and protection of a Jewish nation because of how accurate it is. Whatever your opinion of the national aspirations of Tibetens, Basques, Kurds, etc. they at least have the rights of citizens in the countries in which they are minorities. Palestinians don't get their own state and they don't get to participate with full rights in Israel. The main difference between this and historical South African apartheid is that this is ostensibly a temporary state of affairs until a peace deal can be agreed to, but Netanyahu's made it hard to pretend that's the case.

The demographics mean that Israel can only have two of the following three: territorial control of all historical Israel, status as a Jewish state, and democracy. Iran would basically troll Israel by calling for a single state where everyone got to vote, because everyone knew that meant the end of its Jewish identity. Peace activists believed/hoped that the last two were the most important and would eventually drive Israel to accept a two-state solution, but it looks increasingly like (non-herrenvolk) democracy is the odd one out.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on April 21, 2018, 06:18:00 PM
Quote from: Mandark on April 21, 2018, 06:02:14 PM
The demographics mean that Israel can only have two of the following three: territorial control of all historical Israel, status as a Jewish state, and democracy.
I'm pretty sure Netanyahu's plan is to achieve all three by slowly taking over Palestinian land with settlements and forcing the Palestinians to just gtfo. It's been like 1700 years since Judea was run by Jews so I'm sure people who believe in the development and protection of a Jewish nation are willing to wait if that's how long it takes.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Mandark on April 21, 2018, 06:32:27 PM
Pretty much.

Besides any religious reasons for wanting all of Eretz Yisrael, there's an underlying assumption that the Palestinians will always be implacable enemies, so peace can only be maintained through overwhelming force. It's not the official stance because a big part of keeping the appearance of a moral high ground (and support from the US) is the idea that they're trying to come to a solution, if only the unruly Palestinians would be reasonable.

So they keep stringing things along while supporting settlers as they change the facts on the ground. The upshot of this, and the hawkish behavior of AIPAC and its allies, is that support of Israel is moving from broadly bipartisan to polarized, like what happened with the NRA.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on April 21, 2018, 06:41:34 PM
I don't think it's wrong to assume that Arabs will always be hostile to a Jewish colonial state. That's sort of why I don't think a two state solution is tenable at all. First of all because, what, the Gaza Strip is just supposed to sit there detached from the West Bank forever? It's the ultimate setup for revanche genocide decades from now. And second, it seems to me the reason the US even supports Israel at all is because it's supposed to serve as a model for a pluralistic democratic society in the Middle East. And it is! Arab Israelis are fully integrated into society and have full rights. There isn't any society in the Middle East that even comes close to western democracy besides maybe Kurdistan. The only difficulty is that Palestinian apartheid situation.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Mandark on April 21, 2018, 06:44:15 PM
Quote from: Shostakovich on April 21, 2018, 06:41:34 PM
I don't think it's wrong to assume that Arabs will always be hostile to a Jewish colonial state.

It's not a crazy idea, but it's also a pretty dang strong argument against Zionism in the first place.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on April 21, 2018, 06:48:14 PM
It was a stupid fucking idea to airdrop a bunch of Jews into the Middle East and hope no one would care but you can't undo the settlements, or even the map of Israel as it exists right now.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: curly on April 24, 2018, 02:25:44 PM
Quote from: Shostakovich on April 21, 2018, 06:41:34 PM
I don't think it's wrong to assume that Arabs will always be hostile to a Jewish colonial state. That's sort of why I don't think a two state solution is tenable at all. First of all because, what, the Gaza Strip is just supposed to sit there detached from the West Bank forever? It's the ultimate setup for revanche genocide decades from now. And second, it seems to me the reason the US even supports Israel at all is because it's supposed to serve as a model for a pluralistic democratic society in the Middle East. And it is! Arab Israelis are fully integrated into society and have full rights. There isn't any society in the Middle East that even comes close to western democracy besides maybe Kurdistan. The only difficulty is that Palestinian apartheid situation.

nah
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on April 24, 2018, 03:12:47 PM
I'm acutely aware of the paradox, which is why Palestine is like the only foreign policy issue I care about these days.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: curly on April 24, 2018, 04:12:58 PM
It's not a paradox because it's wrong

Arabs are not "socially integrated" into Israel, they're second class citizens. Do I have to dredge up all the quotes of members of the Likud government cosigning or explicitly stating that the Arab minority is a threat that must be contained or eliminated? Netanyahu himself uses the fear of Arab voter turnout to get out his own voter base. Arab parties have never been in government in Israel because it would threaten Jewish supremacy. Beyond political representation, anti-Arab racism is rife in Israel both in terms of speech and structurally (discrimination in employment and housing).

The idea that the US backs Israel because it is a beacon of democracy is the height of liberal naivete. Besides ignoring all the other reasons we support Israel (domestic lobbying, lingering affections from the Cold War, end-times Christian fundamentalism, anti-Iranian sentiment, etc) it doesn't make sense as a strategy. To convert the Arab masses to democracy, we prop up the state they hate the most, one based on Jewish supremacy at the expense of the indigenous Arab population? Israel itself doesn't want democracy in the Middle East (see Egypt), because they know that US backed autocrats will be much friendlier to them than any government that's actually responsive to the will of its people.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2018, 10:15:28 PM
that may all change thanks to the Koch Bros. deep pockets funding anti-semitism leaders: http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/260210/koch-anti-israel-walt
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Koch Dark Money Funds Anti-Israel Darlings
How Stephen Walt became the new foreign policy gatekeeper for the right

spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Overtly, at least, Koch Institute foreign policy programs do not seem to pay special attention to Israel—so far. “We think that the U.S. is going to be a friend of Israel,” said Will Ruger, a research fellow at the libertarian Cato Institute and the Koch Institute vice president of research and policy. “What we’re really focused on is the kind of bigger macro question of how do we avoid problems like Iraq, how do we avoid problems like we saw with the nation-building project in Afghanistan—should we be expanding NATO to include Georgia and Ukraine, should we sell arms to Ukraine?”

“I don’t believe the Middle East came up in our proposal as a substantive matter,” MIT’s Posen recalled.

Yet,
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Broseidon on April 26, 2018, 12:29:17 PM
http://www.alemarah-english.org/?p=28060

The Taliban have announced the start of their annual offensive for this year.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on April 27, 2018, 05:01:58 AM
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Both our land and air space is under the control of foreign occupying forces and our religious sanctities as well as helpless people are indiscriminately being targeted. Religious scholars, students memorizing the Holy Quran, tribal chieftains and Afghan masses are ruthlessly martyred. Complete towns, health centers, sacred places, green crops and blooming orchards are uprooted. Thousands of our innocent countrymen are incarcerated and the stooge officials of the puppet regime are completely helpless in inhibiting this brutality of the American invaders. Rather they collaborate with them by bearing the felonies of the foreign occupying forces in most cases.
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PlushCandidFreshwatereel-max-1mb.gif)

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Besides sustaining the ongoing illegitimate occupation, the newly adopted war strategy of Trump has been ruthlessly implemented in the villages and rural areas against our oppressed Afghan people for the past nine months. Thousands of additional foreign forces are being deployed inside Afghanistan and they are supplied with new devastating weapons and vast military authorities.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/l0MYxV67vke0FqBG0/giphy.gif)

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We expect that our Mujahid masses will fully partake in the Al Khandaq Jihadi operations through their increased support for Mujahidin while remaining at sufficient distance from all enemy bases and convoys so that they are not unnecessarily harmed during these operations.
(https://i.imgur.com/MnlFBZx.gif)


They never seriously tried to make peace with Obama when they had the chance. So I wish the dumbfuck Jihadi's luck in their endeavors while Trump is President.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Atramental on April 27, 2018, 09:17:23 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/aEqaftg.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Yeti on April 27, 2018, 10:12:52 PM
Just like in DC's New Gods where Darkseid traded his son Orion with High Father's son Scott Free (Mr. Miracle)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on April 28, 2018, 02:16:39 AM
i believe it is part of Juche philosophy that the child is prophesied to remove the father by throwing them into the Fire Pits and assume control of the DPRK, as Jong-un did to his father Jong-il who in turn had removed Il-sung
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on April 28, 2018, 10:35:48 AM
Approval poll for our PM just came out.
28% approve, down from the usual ~48%.

Why you ask?

- He lied (for the 4th time actually)
- Then he lied about lying
- Then he released evidence that was going to clear him but that showed that he did lie
- Then he had someone else lie about his lying
- Then he lied about someone else lying about his lies

Finally the parliament had a vote on a motion that was basically a formal slap on the wrist.
The motion was rejected by the sitting government and 2 extreeeeeeme christian nutjobs.

Here he is sitting with the other liar.
(https://static1.persgroep.net/parool/image/cf94d4b1-af10-4347-b96f-ecd4d9df6b7e?width=664&height=374)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Sman on April 28, 2018, 11:42:45 AM
What was the original lie?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on April 29, 2018, 07:19:19 AM
Quote from: Sman on April 28, 2018, 11:42:45 AM
What was the original lie?
His first lie:
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"Vote for me and you will get a 1000 euro's"
*voted in*
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"Well, you know, I'm really sorry but economy and crisis. What I meant was not 1000 euro's more like tax relief"
"But the taxes went up!"
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"Well, you know, I had to compromise"

Second lie:

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"I will not give another cent to Greece if I'm elected again"
*voted in*

*1 day later*
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"We will have to pay another couple of billion for the EU to stick together, solidarity etc."
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"Technically this money isn't going to Greece itself but a fund that will send it to Greece instead so..."

Third lie:
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"I will recover the truth about the MH17 disaster"

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"I spoke frankly with the Russian President"

Putin: I had a nice chat with this gentleman"

Secretary of foreign affairs: "... some people still had oxygen masks on when they found them."

Researcher: "This is not true, everyone was dead when the blast hit"

Press: "Did you lie Mr. Secretary?"

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"Researcher was under NDA and not allowed to discuss these matters in public"

Press: "But the secretary did on live TV..."

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"He's the vice president of Europe now"

Fourth lie
New Foreign secretary: "I was in the room when Vladimir Putin said he wanted to restore the Soviet Union by force. I told this to my NATO colleagues and we took measures to reign him in."

CEO of oil company: "Actually, I was in the room and he misinterpreted my comment about the meeting"

Foreign secretary: "No I was there, I think"

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"I believe him, he was there"

Staff: "He was never there. He never sat a foot on Russian soil"

Parliament: "This douchebag has to fly to Moscow in 3 days to talk to the Russians and he lied about meeting Putin and telling everyone he wanted to restore the Soviet Union."

Press: "Wait a minute. Is the whole Ukraine thing based on a lie from our foreign secretary who told this story to all of NATO when he was an envoy there?"

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"I trust him, I think he's credible, he's my second hand man, he's a great guy"

Foreign secretary: "I'm outta here before everyone discovers I'm responsible for the new cold war because I bragged about meeting Putin."


Latest lie:
*Government decides to cut a specific corporate tax that cost 1.4 billion to tax payers*

Parliament: "Can we see how you came to this decision, are there any memo's, notes, policy papers? As parliament we are entitled to this information."

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"No not that I recall. I recall we discussed it but there certainly weren't any memo's."
Staff: "Look what we found, a bunch of documents"

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"Oops, well like I said there are no memo's, these are notes"
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"Oh that does like like a document I guess. How about I release them to the public so you can all see the information that I told you didn't exist TRANSPARENCY"
Press: "It says MEMO right at the top of the document"
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"Really? I don't remember what it looked like"

Dude that wrote the memo that is now secretary: "Well technically he never knew about my personal memo that this is we never talked about it"

Staff: "This memo was send all the place. Literally everyone in the department, had this memo it wasn't personal"

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"Well technically we didn't lie. I told you I didn't remember these memo's existed"
Parliament: "These memo's have a timeline of meetings on this subject. Including with the CEO of Unilever"

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"Well you know, we have lots of meetings, lots of memo's, I can't possibly remember them all"

Parliament: "So why didn't you say 'oops I made a mistake there are memo's' when the staff dug them up and waited for the media to uncover this"

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"Honestly I didn't make a mistake and neither did the secretary. He couldn't possibly have known that I didn't know that these memo's existed and/or that his personal memo would be mixed up with the official notes of all meetings when we formed the new government"

Parliament: "But you discussed this one the phone?"

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"The call was about something else, trust me"

Parliament "That's a load of horseshit"

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"Well technically you say I'm lying. But I'm not lying, I told everyone the truth that I didn't remember."

Parliament "But isn't it bad for a PM to not remember 10 meetings on a subject and what happened to 1.4 billion in tax cuts?"

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"I will release the timeline and my schedule so you can see everything that went down

Parliament: "This said, you called the new secretary TWICE to discuss these matters"

*6 hours of debate on the semantics of lying*


There was also the time the government had paid off some criminal and both the Justice Minister and his Deputy were removed from office.

Anyhow new poll. Now 75% of the country thinks he's a liar. Good Job mr. Prime Minister.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2018, 01:33:19 PM
meanwhile, down under :auscry :auscry :auscry
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2l3xARUkAAw3ut.jpg:large)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on April 29, 2018, 05:15:02 PM
So Amber Rudd is gone from the government in the UK.
Theresa May is likely next.

Then the LION can take her place.

A Britain run by Boris Johnson and America run by Donald Trump

(https://i.imgur.com/gqw7F3b.gif)

GOD WILLS IT!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: curly on April 30, 2018, 10:06:39 PM
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/05/01/world/01israel-iran/merlin_137527632_83ba3735-e315-4984-a577-aeb68d494514-master768.jpg)

big if true
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: curly on May 01, 2018, 12:37:31 AM
https://twitter.com/mawilner/status/991119087739715584

lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: warcock on May 01, 2018, 09:51:10 AM
House of lords delaying or blocking brexit rofl. Britain saved by its monarchial legacy. It should sound ironic yet it is not, god save ye from the the will of the people. China got dis. Barnier gives no fucks tho, he seems pretty aggro lately.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 01, 2018, 01:08:45 PM
Quote from: curly on May 01, 2018, 12:37:31 AM
https://twitter.com/mawilner/status/991119087739715584

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jz1TjCphXE
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on May 01, 2018, 02:51:13 PM
http://www.bbc.com/capital/story/20180424-the-cost-of-changing-an-entire-countrys-alphabet

(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/wwfeatures/wm/live/1600_900/images/live/p0/65/6d/p0656d2j.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on May 01, 2018, 03:01:02 PM
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“It is more beautiful than the former variant,” says Kaipiyev. “I don’t like the old one because it looks like a tadpole.”
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 01, 2018, 03:08:44 PM
Quote from: Shostakovich on May 01, 2018, 03:01:02 PM
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“It is more beautiful than the former variant,” says Kaipiyev. “I don’t like the old one because it looks like a tadpole.”

O I C
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: FStop7 on May 01, 2018, 03:22:46 PM
Quote from: curly on May 01, 2018, 12:37:31 AM
https://twitter.com/mawilner/status/991119087739715584

lol

What the fuck?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Mandark on May 01, 2018, 03:41:53 PM
That whole presentation was basically "Iran has lied about its nuclear program in the past."

YES THAT IS WHY IT WAS IMPORTANT TO NEGOTIATE AN AGREEMENT WITH ACTUAL INSPECTIONS AND VERIFICATION. THAT WAS THE POINT.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on May 01, 2018, 03:47:52 PM
Trump wondering why there's no causus belli option and warmonger penalty is "egregious"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on May 01, 2018, 04:12:50 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 01, 2018, 03:41:53 PM
That whole presentation was basically "Iran has lied about its nuclear program in the past."

YES THAT IS WHY IT WAS IMPORTANT TO NEGOTIATE AN AGREEMENT WITH ACTUAL INSPECTIONS AND VERIFICATION. THAT WAS THE POINT.
Typical Young Buchananite (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=322&v=pi-5kj0ZpdE) thinking debunked yet again by investigative reporting on the facts:
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HANNITY: So you didn't watch Bibi Netanyahu's evidence today, or didn't believe it? I believed every word of it.

BUCHANAN: Bibi Netanyahu, with due respect, wants the United States to fight a war against Iran on Israel's behalf. I don't want my country getting into another war.

HANNITY: I don't want another war either, but if you look at North Korea... Bribing didn't work then.

...

HANNITY: Here's the problem. if you marry a nuclear weapon with the fanaticism of the mullahs in Iran, you're looking at a modern day Holocaust... The same people who strap bombs to their kids and promise them virgins in heaven, if they have nuclear capability the world is headed for more death and destruction that perhaps we've ever seen.

BUCHANAN: Sean, come on, Sean. Do you really think--?

HANNITY: Come on Pat, 100 million souls were lost in the last century. 100 million.

...

HANNITY: I don't think the old rules of detente, or the old rules of mutually assured destruction work on people that think they're doing God's will... the radical Islamic mullahs.

BUCHANAN: Hannity, let me ask you something. Why haven't they started a war with the United States already?

HANNITY: They just got $150 billion, they just keep holding out and someone keeps bribing them. Don't you think what Obama did was dumb?
Not surprised that Mandark takes the cowardly option of not glassing Iran immediately. 100 million souls, Mandark. 100 million.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Brehvolution on May 01, 2018, 04:42:48 PM
Still fucking that $150B chicken.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: thisismyusername on May 01, 2018, 04:48:05 PM
In the interest of being Fair and Balanced™, for Jack:

*lights up the Jack Remington signal again*

SHILLARY SHILLARY SHILLARY EMAILS EMAILS EMAILS.

Ok, you here?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/05/01/midterm-elections-republicans-hillary-clinton-political-ads-congress-ohio-governor/565800002/

Quote from: TFA
When Hillary Clinton lost her 2016 bid for the presidency, she retired from politics.

In Ohio, it's as if she never left.

More than 5,000 TV commercials this year have mentioned Clinton, all in the state's nasty GOP primary for governor. Lt. Gov. Mary Taylor and Attorney General Mike DeWine are each trying to claim real-Republican status, using Clinton to cast doubt on their opponent's conservative credentials.

As a U.S. senator, "D.C. DeWine voted with Hillary Clinton 962 times" in six years, says one TV commercial from Taylor's campaign. The Senate roll-call voice then reads out "Aye" for both Clinton and DeWine on immigration, spending and gun control bills.

GOP ads around the country echo the Taylor campaign's use of Clinton. That's desperate, Democrats say: Republicans are pointing to a defeated presidential candidate to avoid talking about their party's short list of accomplishments since they took control of Washington.


In a GOP primary, though, it's actually a smart strategy, said Jennifer Duffy, who analyzes governor and Senate races for the nonpartisan Cook Political Report.

"The end goal is to taint somebody as not conservative enough, and there are limited ways to do that," she said. "If you tie them to an unpopular Democrat, that helps really hammer home that message."

In total, nearly 13,000 TV commercials Jan. 1 through April 24 mentioned or showed a photo of Clinton, according to data compiled for the USA TODAY Network by Kantar Media's Campaign Media Analysis Group.

Republicans in the Ohio governor's race ran the most ads, followed by West Virginia Republicans running for governor and the GOP candidates for Indiana Senate.

In fact, only former President Barack Obama has appeared in more ads. Clinton's total even tops that of House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, who has been mentioned in nearly 10,000 commercials in 2018.

The strategy could forecast a slew of anti-Clinton ads this fall in states President Trump won handily, as Republicans try to beat back Democrats' push to regain control of Congress. In the same way, Democrats will be tying GOP candidates to Trump in the states where Trump's margin was thin, or where Clinton won, Duffy said.

Republican strategists say Clinton remains a deeply polarizing figure, even in defeat. Clinton proved that herself in March. During a trip to India, the Democratic nominee argued she won parts of the county that were more economically vibrant, while Trump won in the Midwest and other places by appealing to voters who want to move “backwards.”

“His whole campaign — ‘Make America Great Again’ — was looking backwards,” Clinton said in response to a question about how Trump won. “You know, you didn’t like black people getting rights, you don’t like women, you know, getting jobs, you don’t want, you know, to see that Indian American succeeding more than you are.”

National Republicans pounced on Clinton’s comments. The GOP’s Senate campaign committee immediately launched a digital ad campaign targeting 10 Senate Democrats in states that Trump won with spots reminding voters of their support for Clinton.

“She called you ‘deplorable,” one spot reminded voters in Missouri. “Now she’s called you ‘backwards.’ … And if Claire McCaskill had her way, Hillary Clinton would be president.”

McCaskill is one of the most vulnerable incumbent Senate Democrat up for re-election this year, running in Missouri where Trump won by 19 percentage points. The NRSC ads also ran in Ohio, Montana, and elsewhere — sending Democrats into a scramble to distance themselves from Clinton.

“Whenever (Clinton) inserts herself into the conversation and continues to make comments that Trump voters are backwards or deplorable, it’s a reminder to folks in red states that supported him that you’re sitting senator sided with her over the president you voted for,” said Katie Martin, a spokeswoman for the National Republican Senatorial Committee.

Republicans are the ones looking backward, Democrats say — because the GOP has nothing else to talk about as Republicans try to maintain their grip on power.

“It’s obvious that Republicans are desperate,” said David Bergstein, a spokesman for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. The GOP tax cut isn’t as popular as Republicans had hoped, he said, and Republicans haven’t accomplished much else. Moderate and independent voters may be worried about losing health care coverage or paying more under GOP proposals.

“This election will be a referendum on how Republicans have used their control of Washington to make life more difficult and expensive for working families,” Bergstein said.

But using Clinton makes it possible for GOP candidates to change the conversation. Voters know her, and it's easy to associate lesser-known candidates with what voters know — and don't like — about Clinton.

"She is a loser," said Andrew Downs, director of the Mike Downs Center for Indiana Politics. "Candidates are going to want to tie Democratic candidates to the person who lost. 'You rejected her. You should reject this person, too.' "

So far, in each of the states where negative ads mentioning Clinton have aired — Ohio, West Virginia, Indiana, Mississippi and Idaho — she lost badly to Trump in 2016. 

She lost by 42 points in West Virginia, which has a crowded GOP primary for U.S. Senate. There, Clinton was a natural tool in ads against U.S. Rep. Evan Jenkins, a former Democrat who switched party affiliations in 2013.

Although Jenkins backed Obama's successful 2008 bid for president, he attended an economic policy town hall meeting with Clinton in 2007. Ads accuse him of participating in a campaign rally for Clinton.

Jenkins is fighting back by using Clinton in his own ads. One spot shows her comment about Trump's campaign moving "backwards." "It's Hillary who's got it backwards," Jenkins says, looking into the camera. "I approve this message to help President Trump move America forward."

Trump and Republicans in Congress may be struggling with national approval, but there's no doubt where voters stand on Clinton, Republican strategists say. So Democrats may see Clinton-focused attacks this fall.

Take Sen. Sherrod Brown of Ohio. Polls show Brown leading his re-election bid. But Republicans could try to link him to Clinton, who lost Ohio by 8 points in 2016.

"For all the ups and downs across the country in polling, Ohio was a state for Donald Trump that he always had on lock," said Ethan Zorfas of Axiom Strategies, the GOP firm behind Taylor's anti-Clinton gubernatorial campaign in Ohio. "Democrats across the state of Ohio are going to have to weigh the support they gave to Hillary Clinton in 2016. It could affect the Senate race."

Brown appeals to Trump's working-class voters in Ohio, in part because of his longstanding concerns about free trade. When Trump was first elected, Brown wrote him a letter suggesting they collaborate on trade. Republicans, Duffy said, will try to tell voters: "Really, he was with Hillary and Obama. He's not who he says he is."

Even some conservatives disapprove of that strategy.

Commentator Tucker Carlson of Fox News has derided Republicans for running against "the ghost of some elderly retired nominee from last cycle," instead of telling voters what they would do with another two years in power. "Hillary Clinton doesn't run anything anymore — she doesn't represent the modern Democratic Party," he said last week.

But Clinton's ongoing comments, such as the "backwards" remark, show she never actually left politics, said Rob Secaur, executive director of the Ohio GOP. "If Hillary Clinton isn't the leader of the Democratic Party, who is?"

It's a bold strategy, but the democrats are right: She's no longer a front-runner. Attacking with that isn't a good move, but given Trump's states: It's preaching to the choir (his stupid voting bloc) and will energize them, likely. Will it work? Hard to say, but I wouldn't be surprised if it does.

That aside:

"the ghost of some elderly retired nominee,"

Hello there, new tag.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on May 01, 2018, 04:52:59 PM
Like Thanos, Clinton will return.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on May 01, 2018, 05:13:38 PM
Quote from: thisismyusername on May 01, 2018, 04:48:05 PM
In the interest of being Fair and Balanced™, for Jack:

*lights up the Jack Remington signal again*

SHILLARY SHILLARY SHILLARY EMAILS EMAILS EMAILS.

Ok, you here?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/05/01/midterm-elections-republicans-hillary-clinton-political-ads-congress-ohio-governor/565800002/

Quote from: TFA
When Hillary Clinton lost her 2016 bid for the presidency, she retired from politics.

In Ohio, it's as if she never left.

More than 5,000 TV commercials this year have mentioned Clinton, all in the state's nasty GOP primary for governor. Lt. Gov. Mary Taylor and Attorney General Mike DeWine are each trying to claim real-Republican status, using Clinton to cast doubt on their opponent's conservative credentials.

As a U.S. senator, "D.C. DeWine voted with Hillary Clinton 962 times" in six years, says one TV commercial from Taylor's campaign. The Senate roll-call voice then reads out "Aye" for both Clinton and DeWine on immigration, spending and gun control bills.

GOP ads around the country echo the Taylor campaign's use of Clinton. That's desperate, Democrats say: Republicans are pointing to a defeated presidential candidate to avoid talking about their party's short list of accomplishments since they took control of Washington.


In a GOP primary, though, it's actually a smart strategy, said Jennifer Duffy, who analyzes governor and Senate races for the nonpartisan Cook Political Report.

"The end goal is to taint somebody as not conservative enough, and there are limited ways to do that," she said. "If you tie them to an unpopular Democrat, that helps really hammer home that message."

In total, nearly 13,000 TV commercials Jan. 1 through April 24 mentioned or showed a photo of Clinton, according to data compiled for the USA TODAY Network by Kantar Media's Campaign Media Analysis Group.

Republicans in the Ohio governor's race ran the most ads, followed by West Virginia Republicans running for governor and the GOP candidates for Indiana Senate.

In fact, only former President Barack Obama has appeared in more ads. Clinton's total even tops that of House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, who has been mentioned in nearly 10,000 commercials in 2018.

The strategy could forecast a slew of anti-Clinton ads this fall in states President Trump won handily, as Republicans try to beat back Democrats' push to regain control of Congress. In the same way, Democrats will be tying GOP candidates to Trump in the states where Trump's margin was thin, or where Clinton won, Duffy said.

Republican strategists say Clinton remains a deeply polarizing figure, even in defeat. Clinton proved that herself in March. During a trip to India, the Democratic nominee argued she won parts of the county that were more economically vibrant, while Trump won in the Midwest and other places by appealing to voters who want to move “backwards.”

“His whole campaign — ‘Make America Great Again’ — was looking backwards,” Clinton said in response to a question about how Trump won. “You know, you didn’t like black people getting rights, you don’t like women, you know, getting jobs, you don’t want, you know, to see that Indian American succeeding more than you are.”

National Republicans pounced on Clinton’s comments. The GOP’s Senate campaign committee immediately launched a digital ad campaign targeting 10 Senate Democrats in states that Trump won with spots reminding voters of their support for Clinton.

“She called you ‘deplorable,” one spot reminded voters in Missouri. “Now she’s called you ‘backwards.’ … And if Claire McCaskill had her way, Hillary Clinton would be president.”

McCaskill is one of the most vulnerable incumbent Senate Democrat up for re-election this year, running in Missouri where Trump won by 19 percentage points. The NRSC ads also ran in Ohio, Montana, and elsewhere — sending Democrats into a scramble to distance themselves from Clinton.

“Whenever (Clinton) inserts herself into the conversation and continues to make comments that Trump voters are backwards or deplorable, it’s a reminder to folks in red states that supported him that you’re sitting senator sided with her over the president you voted for,” said Katie Martin, a spokeswoman for the National Republican Senatorial Committee.

Republicans are the ones looking backward, Democrats say — because the GOP has nothing else to talk about as Republicans try to maintain their grip on power.

“It’s obvious that Republicans are desperate,” said David Bergstein, a spokesman for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. The GOP tax cut isn’t as popular as Republicans had hoped, he said, and Republicans haven’t accomplished much else. Moderate and independent voters may be worried about losing health care coverage or paying more under GOP proposals.

“This election will be a referendum on how Republicans have used their control of Washington to make life more difficult and expensive for working families,” Bergstein said.

But using Clinton makes it possible for GOP candidates to change the conversation. Voters know her, and it's easy to associate lesser-known candidates with what voters know — and don't like — about Clinton.

"She is a loser," said Andrew Downs, director of the Mike Downs Center for Indiana Politics. "Candidates are going to want to tie Democratic candidates to the person who lost. 'You rejected her. You should reject this person, too.' "

So far, in each of the states where negative ads mentioning Clinton have aired — Ohio, West Virginia, Indiana, Mississippi and Idaho — she lost badly to Trump in 2016. 

She lost by 42 points in West Virginia, which has a crowded GOP primary for U.S. Senate. There, Clinton was a natural tool in ads against U.S. Rep. Evan Jenkins, a former Democrat who switched party affiliations in 2013.

Although Jenkins backed Obama's successful 2008 bid for president, he attended an economic policy town hall meeting with Clinton in 2007. Ads accuse him of participating in a campaign rally for Clinton.

Jenkins is fighting back by using Clinton in his own ads. One spot shows her comment about Trump's campaign moving "backwards." "It's Hillary who's got it backwards," Jenkins says, looking into the camera. "I approve this message to help President Trump move America forward."

Trump and Republicans in Congress may be struggling with national approval, but there's no doubt where voters stand on Clinton, Republican strategists say. So Democrats may see Clinton-focused attacks this fall.

Take Sen. Sherrod Brown of Ohio. Polls show Brown leading his re-election bid. But Republicans could try to link him to Clinton, who lost Ohio by 8 points in 2016.

"For all the ups and downs across the country in polling, Ohio was a state for Donald Trump that he always had on lock," said Ethan Zorfas of Axiom Strategies, the GOP firm behind Taylor's anti-Clinton gubernatorial campaign in Ohio. "Democrats across the state of Ohio are going to have to weigh the support they gave to Hillary Clinton in 2016. It could affect the Senate race."

Brown appeals to Trump's working-class voters in Ohio, in part because of his longstanding concerns about free trade. When Trump was first elected, Brown wrote him a letter suggesting they collaborate on trade. Republicans, Duffy said, will try to tell voters: "Really, he was with Hillary and Obama. He's not who he says he is."

Even some conservatives disapprove of that strategy.

Commentator Tucker Carlson of Fox News has derided Republicans for running against "the ghost of some elderly retired nominee from last cycle," instead of telling voters what they would do with another two years in power. "Hillary Clinton doesn't run anything anymore — she doesn't represent the modern Democratic Party," he said last week.

But Clinton's ongoing comments, such as the "backwards" remark, show she never actually left politics, said Rob Secaur, executive director of the Ohio GOP. "If Hillary Clinton isn't the leader of the Democratic Party, who is?"

It's a bold strategy, but the democrats are right: She's no longer a front-runner. Attacking with that isn't a good move, but given Trump's states: It's preaching to the choir (his stupid voting bloc) and will energize them, likely. Will it work? Hard to say, but I wouldn't be surprised if it does.

That aside:

"the ghost of some elderly retired nominee,"

Hello there, new tag.
wrong thread you dummy
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: curly on May 01, 2018, 05:41:32 PM
Jack Remington wins this round
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 02, 2018, 05:16:59 PM
Quote from: Exodust on May 02, 2018, 05:13:35 PM
:lol trolled the mustachioed man super hard

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(https://ton.twitter.com/i/ton/data/dm/991785955517399044/991785950983458816/F4IpaYpc.jpg)
(https://ton.twitter.com/i/ton/data/dm/991785968981200900/991785964052910087/J6n0eJTE.jpg)

Hope this shows up right cause it’s hilarious and I’m on my phone.

Your links aren't working.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 02, 2018, 09:32:00 PM
At least your dad knows that Fox News is trash. :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: curly on May 03, 2018, 02:30:30 AM
IMPORTANT UPDATE FROM THE UK, THE TORIES ARE STANDING WEIRD

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcBqCoTWkAE6nRu.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: shosta on May 03, 2018, 02:49:11 AM
Why the fuck are the British so weird
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Rufus on May 03, 2018, 06:16:32 AM
These are probably just sneakily grabbed from a side-step, but funny nonetheless, bc silly island people.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Broseidon on May 03, 2018, 09:29:08 AM
Clearly you don't know about the Tory Power Stance
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Rufus on May 03, 2018, 09:45:07 AM
Oh boy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Raist on May 03, 2018, 04:53:16 PM
They've been shitting themselves ever since the Brexit vote. Of course they're going to stand like that.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on May 04, 2018, 04:27:33 PM
https://twitter.com/AgniaGrigas/status/992499471538884608 (https://twitter.com/AgniaGrigas/status/992499471538884608)

TFW you beat everyone to the InfoWars
(https://i.imgur.com/jXBqYBh.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Corporal on May 05, 2018, 01:37:28 AM
Germany now has a solid 50-50 chance to get a (time-limited) seat in the UN security council. Probably even bigger than that, because lol Belgium, amirite.

Look forward to our crazy antics. What could possibly go wrongTM? Last time we turbo-snubbed NATO with the Lybia issue, and since we've been unreasonably addicted to Russian pipe laying in recent times...

I just wonder what caused Israel to back off. Their vague "we've talked it over with our special friendos and other partners" makes it sound like there were loads of backroom dealings. Or maybe they were told that the Arabs would burn the building down if the jews were to succeed. Probably both.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on May 05, 2018, 04:09:08 AM
Quote from: Broseidon on May 03, 2018, 09:29:08 AM
Clearly you don't know about the Tory Power Stance
for anyone who hasn't, listen to our Bro and totally look this up, it's apparently an actual deliberate thing, they got it from some body language seminar bullshit snake oil salesman, even though every other expert quoted in the media about it says it's horseshit and makes you look stupid rather than "dominant"

spoiler (click to show/hide)
also i'm still not convinced george osbourne is human
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: curly on May 07, 2018, 04:56:51 PM
Hezbollah cleaned up in the Lebanese elections. Saudi Arabia really fucked up by pulling that stunt with Hariri.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Nintex on May 07, 2018, 06:25:08 PM
Quote from: curly on May 07, 2018, 04:56:51 PM
Hezbollah cleaned up in the Lebanese elections. Saudi Arabia really fucked up by pulling that stunt with Hariri.
Wait those fuckers actually vote literal terrorists into power.  :neogaf

Move over Trump and Brexit  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: Atramental on May 08, 2018, 08:50:41 PM
One person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter.  :esports
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on May 09, 2018, 08:24:32 AM
https://www.acast.com/warcollege/northkorea-slonggame

A good podcast with an academic based in Busan who helps understand some of the South Korean politics who most of us do not fathom and operate under very different assumptions (the academic thinks the main gradient from "left" to "right" may be the support to the USA more than European conceptions of progressives and conservatives)... It's a follow up to an episode they did one year ago and generally their NK episodes have been very good. President Moon is presented as a suave, cunning, smart politician who may be paving the road for US troops to ultimately leave.

Not all roses and pleasantries, obviously.

French commenters were similarly struck by how the recent summit was heavily leaning in symbols (more than practical, tangible measures) and that South Koreans do NOT want a Germany style reunification (they studied it closely and they know they would pay and suffer through the nose for it even in a best case scenario).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on May 09, 2018, 09:34:30 AM
All of the Russia podcasts with academic Galeotti are excellent too.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nola on May 11, 2018, 02:23:23 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on May 09, 2018, 08:24:32 AM
https://www.acast.com/warcollege/northkorea-slonggame

A good podcast with an academic based in Busan who helps understand some of the South Korean politics who most of us do not fathom and operate under very different assumptions (the academic thinks the main gradient from "left" to "right" may be the support to the USA more than European conceptions of progressives and conservatives)... It's a follow up to an episode they did one year ago and generally their NK episodes have been very good. President Moon is presented as a suave, cunning, smart politician who may be paving the road for US troops to ultimately leave.

Not all roses and pleasantries, obviously.

French commenters were similarly struck by how the recent summit was heavily leaning in symbols (more than practical, tangible measures) and that South Koreans do NOT want a Germany style reunification (they studied it closely and they know they would pay and suffer through the nose for it even in a best case scenario).



I'd add this Lawfare podcast as a really solid compliment to the War College one:
https://lawfareblog.com/lawfare-podcast-mira-rapp-hooper-and-steph-haggard-preview-north-korea-summit

All three guests end up coming to fairly similar conclusions about the prospects of the summit and where they have some major concerns. Mira Rapp-Hooper and Steph Haggard both have some really interesting perspectives looking at this primarily from a US diplomatic perspective, though also showing a solid foundation of understanding about the region and US geopolitics within it. I think hearing all of them definitely gave me a number of really well-rounded set of insights into this that I didn't have coming into this.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Raist on May 13, 2018, 05:17:23 PM
https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/13/17349910/uk-newsstands-porn-pass-age-verification-digital-economy-act-2017


 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on May 13, 2018, 06:06:17 PM
https://twitter.com/AP/status/995783323770376193 (https://twitter.com/AP/status/995783323770376193)

So uh, are the polls a little off again?

This is the guy who was leading the insurgency against US troops during the Iraqi occupation. I believe it was Mattis who had to invade half a city to defeat most of his 'Sadr army'.
He's no longer aligned with Iran but in bed with the Iraqi commies.

This is very bad.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on May 13, 2018, 06:33:17 PM
Quote from: Nintex on May 13, 2018, 06:06:17 PM
This is the guy who was leading the insurgency against US troops during the Iraqi occupation. I believe it was Mattis who had to invade half a city to defeat most of his 'Sadr army'.
He's no longer aligned with Iran but in bed with the Iraqi commies.

You getting your info from Bush-era DoD press releases?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on May 14, 2018, 02:31:14 AM
Wait, the Mahdi army guy is the front-runner? Lol, God bless Iraq.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on May 14, 2018, 02:46:57 AM
Just a reminder that when the US invaded the people in charge thought they could install Ahmed Chalabi and that the new regime would be a staunch US ally and recognize Israel.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Brehvolution on May 14, 2018, 08:43:00 AM
We would be greeted as liberators and be in and out in 2 weeks.

MissionAccomplished.jpg
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on May 14, 2018, 09:10:38 AM
The continuing protests and violent oppression in the Gaza Strip are really, really heartbreaking. Things must be desperate for them to still be trying.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on May 14, 2018, 05:29:25 PM
the guy who threw his shoes at Bush got elected to the Iraqi parliament as part of Muqtada al-Sadr's coalition

If he actually hit W he would probably be prime minister now
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on May 14, 2018, 05:33:07 PM
The best part of it was American media explaining how it was an insulting gesture because the feet are considered a dirty body part by Arab Muslims.

Sure, there could've been a bit of extra cultural weight there. But I think we all got the gist of what that dude was trying to express.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on May 14, 2018, 07:05:03 PM
Bush dodged that shoe like a pro

That was some Neo Matrix shit  :neo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on May 15, 2018, 02:47:15 AM
http://foreignpolicy.com/2018/05/11/trump-is-leading-from-behind-if-hes-leading-at-all/

Piece about how Trump admin is letting taking a back seat to other regional leaders in foreign affairs that involve us.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Raist on May 15, 2018, 04:26:13 AM
Quote from: Nintex on May 14, 2018, 07:05:03 PM
Bush dodged that shoe like a pro

That was some Neo Matrix shit  :neo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxNprnas7i8

What a legend.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on May 15, 2018, 04:41:20 PM
How long before Frau Merkel sends in the troops lol  :doge
https://twitter.com/fborello1/status/996465386362163201 (https://twitter.com/fborello1/status/996465386362163201)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on May 16, 2018, 10:37:56 AM
International Relations in 2018:

(https://i.redditmedia.com/kI8_YOhsKFPt2FyPml9qB2UNWzGBz7AB4wIzjshufl0.jpg?w=549&s=d8fbdaab71cb7fffefa152ab6d56b679)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: kingv on May 16, 2018, 10:56:52 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 05, 2018, 04:09:08 AM
Quote from: Broseidon on May 03, 2018, 09:29:08 AM
Clearly you don't know about the Tory Power Stance
for anyone who hasn't, listen to our Bro and totally look this up, it's apparently an actual deliberate thing, they got it from some body language seminar bullshit snake oil salesman, even though every other expert quoted in the media about it says it's horseshit and makes you look stupid rather than "dominant"

spoiler (click to show/hide)
also i'm still not convinced george osbourne is human
[close]

That consultant watched a shit ton of He-Man as a kid and then basically just told the Torres to adopt the “I have the power!!! “ stance.

They forgot the swords though.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on May 16, 2018, 01:50:30 PM
Quote from: Skullfuckers Anonymous on May 16, 2018, 10:37:56 AM
International Relations in 2018:

(https://i.redditmedia.com/kI8_YOhsKFPt2FyPml9qB2UNWzGBz7AB4wIzjshufl0.jpg?w=549&s=d8fbdaab71cb7fffefa152ab6d56b679)

You could say international relations got
:trumps T R U M P E D  :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: etiolate on May 17, 2018, 03:27:27 AM
HEY I THINK MARX'S COMMUNIST MANIFESTO AND ITS IDEAS THAT FUCKED OVER FARMERS AND THE UKRAIN AND ANY POLITICAL DISSENDENTS MAY HAVE LEAD TO THE DEATH OF MILLIONS

curly and Mandark: NO WAY! EVERYONE HATES YOU! YOU DUMMY!

BUT HE SAID NATIONAL IDENTITY AND PROPERTY WERE THE BAD STUFF!

curly and Mandark: That's not really what he meant! He did propose national healthcare too!

GOLLY GEE, SO THERE IS NOTHING THE COMMUNSIT MANIFEST THAT RELATES TO ITS SUGGESTIONS ON POLICY THAT MURDERED PEOPLE?

curly ad Mandark: No! You silly EVIL PERSON! Just because one person said that Nationality and property are evil, doesn't mean Ukranians eating their own harvest shouldn't be starved and killed!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: jorma on May 18, 2018, 12:10:41 PM
yup, that's exactly what happened  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Rufus on May 18, 2018, 12:38:38 PM
Look, you just don't understand the conversation.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Kara on May 20, 2018, 07:34:13 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/20/spain-podemos-leader-pablo-iglesias-no-confidence-vote-anti-austerity-principles-house-purchase

The kids are all right.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Momo on May 21, 2018, 12:33:10 AM
good to see roberto baggio landed on his feet
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on May 21, 2018, 03:33:06 AM
Nicolas Maduro won a resounding mandate from the Venezuelan people though neoliberal imperialist groups that likely have ties to the American Military Corporate Empire are claiming that turnout was only 17%. True free social democratic nations like Bolivia, Cuba, Nicaragua and Russia have endorsed the election as completely fair and free despite massive US, UN and EU pressure to spread lies and likely secret movements to declare war and invade.

Unbiased analysis that pro-war CNN don't want you to see:
Quote from: Evo Morales
We salute brother president Maduro on his candidacy for a democratic and constitutional reelection in Venezuela. We are certain that with truth and the support of the Venezuelan people, brother Maduro has a certain victory over Trump’s interventionism and his agents Almagro and Tuto Quiroga.

I bet Nola, stalker beaks and the other soft liberal pansies are crying and can't believe that people would actually want to run their own government instead of be blindly led by corporate media propaganda. :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: team filler on May 21, 2018, 03:48:52 AM
stalker beaks :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on May 21, 2018, 04:45:49 AM
Quote from: Kara on May 20, 2018, 07:34:13 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/20/spain-podemos-leader-pablo-iglesias-no-confidence-vote-anti-austerity-principles-house-purchase

The kids are all right.

*Picture of dead children*
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Kara on May 21, 2018, 05:09:33 AM
I know you're a communist now benji but calling Cuba social democratic wouldn't even fly in Hoxhaist circles.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on May 21, 2018, 05:33:58 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 21, 2018, 03:33:06 AM
Nicolas Maduro won a resounding mandate from the Venezuelan people though neoliberal imperialist groups that likely have ties to the American Military Corporate Empire are claiming that turnout was only 17%. True free social democratic nations like Bolivia, Cuba, Nicaragua and Russia have endorsed the election as completely fair and free despite massive US, UN and EU pressure to spread lies and likely secret movements to declare war and invade.

Unbiased analysis that pro-war CNN don't want you to see:
Quote from: Evo Morales
We salute brother president Maduro on his candidacy for a democratic and constitutional reelection in Venezuela. We are certain that with truth and the support of the Venezuelan people, brother Maduro has a certain victory over Trump’s interventionism and his agents Almagro and Tuto Quiroga.

I bet Nola, stalker beaks and the other soft liberal pansies are crying and can't believe that people would actually want to run their own government instead of be blindly led by corporate media propaganda. :lol
Wow the god emperor already has agents everywhere.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on May 22, 2018, 03:41:01 AM
Quote from: Kara on May 21, 2018, 05:09:33 AM
I know you're a communist now benji but calling Cuba social democratic wouldn't even fly in Hoxhaist circles.
So you trust Miguel not to roll back the victorious revolution as part of a neoliberal entryist scheme?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Macron? I don't know her.
Post by: benjipwns on May 22, 2018, 04:05:41 AM
Quote from: Nintex on May 07, 2018, 06:25:08 PM
Quote from: curly on May 07, 2018, 04:56:51 PM
Hezbollah cleaned up in the Lebanese elections. Saudi Arabia really fucked up by pulling that stunt with Hariri.
Wait those fuckers actually vote literal terrorists into power.  :neogaf

Move over Trump and Brexit  :doge
Quote from: Nintex on May 13, 2018, 06:06:17 PM
https://twitter.com/AP/status/995783323770376193 (https://twitter.com/AP/status/995783323770376193)

So uh, are the polls a little off again?

This is the guy who was leading the insurgency against US troops during the Iraqi occupation. I believe it was Mattis who had to invade half a city to defeat most of his 'Sadr army'.
He's no longer aligned with Iran but in bed with the Iraqi commies.

This is very bad.
For the record, with the counting finished, Hezbollah themselves wound up with about 10% of the parliamentary seats in Lebanon. They won the popular vote, but that 16% only led to 13 seats, one more than they already had. The total alliance bloc got 40 seats. The Christian-associated alliances got 44 between the two of them.

In Iraq, al-Sadr's group got 54 which is ten more than the main Kurdish parties in the 329 seat legislature. The Pro-Iran but Anti-Sadr party got 47 seats. The "moderate" parties still dominate the parliament especially as we can assume that any two of the Shias, Kurds and Sunnis will all back the "moderates" versus the other two. al-Sadr already had come in second in 2014 but al-Maliki's coalition breaking up into new parties, along with his broadening the tent (I mean, they elected an atheist Communist woman as part of the coalition) helped him slide up to first place.

The most important thing from these two elections is that in Lebanon someone registered and ran the party "You Stink" but it only got 328 votes. r.i.p. Lebanese democracy :'(
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on May 22, 2018, 04:07:12 AM
In an upcoming election recap, we have Ireland voting to repeal the "right to life" on Friday, Columbia's first round for President on Sunday, and June 3rd will be a Slovenian parliamentary election. And I'm mentioning the last one for one reason, they held a debate with representatives from twenty parties and it looked like this:

(http://www.total-slovenia-news.com/media/k2/items/cache/e412d8c340fee3729deb11bde45f02dd_XL.jpg)

They needed so many podiums that the Ontario election debate apparently had to do without:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6AQvfo48I8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qd3R1g-FgE
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: team filler on May 22, 2018, 04:10:07 AM
are the torries still standing weird?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Kara on May 22, 2018, 12:58:50 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 22, 2018, 03:41:01 AM
Quote from: Kara on May 21, 2018, 05:09:33 AM
I know you're a communist now benji but calling Cuba social democratic wouldn't even fly in Hoxhaist circles.
So you trust Miguel not to roll back the victorious revolution as part of a neoliberal entryist scheme?

(https://i.imgur.com/ne0EX3x.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Corporal on May 22, 2018, 09:35:21 PM
So, did anyone watch the farce where a lizardman wearing a Zuckerberg shaped synthskin vomited useless words at politicians in the EU, a few hours ago? Best part was where he was all like "Okay kiddos time's up, I'm running low on batteries" and most of the MEPs thought he was joking.... except for Farage, who knew what was going to happen and promptly got up and left.

You didn't? Well, in that case: Good on you. was a waste of time, as expected. There were a bunch of interesting questions, but apparently the MEPs bent over backwards to get Zuckerberg on that livestream, leading to a humiliating non-event that had them talk for 2/3rds of the time and Zuckerberg slither away in his distinct Zuckerbergian way.

(https://abload.de/img/20180522_ep-071311a_e4ush.jpeg)

...He should seriously apply for the role of Data in the next Star Trek movie/series. He's got the look down. Probably won't even need to use weird contact lenses.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Crash Dummy on May 23, 2018, 08:54:36 AM
he stuck around for selfies with the meps tho
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on May 24, 2018, 05:55:55 AM
There are only two things I can't stand in this world: Centrists, and the Dutch.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/05/23/opinion/international-world/centrists-democracy.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Kara on May 24, 2018, 03:33:20 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 24, 2018, 05:55:55 AM
There are only two things I can't stand in this world: Centrists, and the Dutch.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/05/23/opinion/international-world/centrists-democracy.html

(https://i.imgur.com/irBKkHO.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on May 24, 2018, 06:48:17 PM
Didn't curly post one like that too, where the centrist one was "Everything is rent-seeking, except rent-seeking, which is fine"? That was a good one as well
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Kara on May 25, 2018, 10:06:13 PM
Abortion ban repeal is going to pass by a lot in Ireland. :aah
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on May 26, 2018, 08:21:22 AM
Italy just formed a new government, composed of two populist parties: the right-wing Northern League and the more-difficult-to-categorize Five Star Movement. They have quite different platforms and bases of support, but both are critics of the EU. The new finance minister has called the Euro "a straightjacket produced in Germany" and said the Germans still hold onto the desire for European supremacy from the days of the Nazis. This rhetoric alongside plans to cut taxes and boost social spending has Eurozone officials rattled.

Quote from: kris on May 24, 2018, 06:48:17 PM
Didn't curly post one like that too, where the centrist one was "Everything is rent-seeking, except rent-seeking, which is fine"? That was a good one as well

I've seen three or four variations on that meme
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Corporal on May 26, 2018, 12:21:37 PM
Man, Italy once again betraying Germany and fucking everything up.  ::)
No but seriously, this is major trouble in the making. Even if it accounts to nothing in the long term, markets are already plenty spooked, so the damage has been done.  >:(

Here in good old Germoney, we have further issues with our army. The numbers are already hilariously bad (only 4 Eurofighters are actually ready to sortie, etc), but now some sleuthing by the gubbermint has unveiled that the military has a very broad definition of what constitutes a "usable" machine. For example, missile ships that have no ammo, tanks stripped down to training loadout, 8 minesweeper ships but only 6 available crews - yet all those cases show up as "ready for deployment" in the statistics. Good grief.  ::)

Also, what's up with Brazil. Telling the military to do away with protesters and their trucks, if necessary by violent means... cripes. While the protesters themselves seem hellbent on deadlocking the country. Sounds like a hop and skip away from civil war. I mean, yes, it's South America, so it's probably just another Saturday for them, but still.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on May 26, 2018, 01:46:02 PM
Quote from: Corporal on May 26, 2018, 12:21:37 PM
Also, what's up with Brazil. Telling the military to do away with protesters and their trucks, if necessary by violent means... cripes.
Prices have skyrocketed across the country because of the strike. It's a national crisis. That's kind of the point of the strike (that they significant leverage), but yeah.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Corporal on May 27, 2018, 12:37:09 AM
Meanwhile Turkey continues to crash and burn. There's a sizable Turkish population in Germany, so seeing the state the country is in (and the trajectory, the worst is yet to come)... 

I mean, Erdogan is now groveling in front of his subjects and begging them to buy Lira while spouting conspiracy theories. How long until he swears brotherhood with Venezuela and introduces branded bitcoins or starts a war against the Kurds or whatever. So depressing.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on May 27, 2018, 02:31:15 PM
Quote from: curly on May 26, 2018, 08:21:22 AM
Italy just formed a new government, composed of two populist parties: the right-wing Northern League and the more-difficult-to-categorize Five Star Movement. They have quite different platforms and bases of support, but both are critics of the EU. The new finance minister has called the Euro "a straightjacket produced in Germany" and said the Germans still hold onto the desire for European supremacy from the days of the Nazis. This rhetoric alongside plans to cut taxes and boost social spending has Eurozone officials rattled.

Well that didn't last long :neogaf

The compromise prime minister the League and Five Star Movement agreed on has given up on forming a government. I guess that means they try to find somebody else or new elections? Italy :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on May 27, 2018, 03:03:38 PM
Quote from: curly on May 27, 2018, 02:31:15 PM
Quote from: curly on May 26, 2018, 08:21:22 AM
Italy just formed a new government, composed of two populist parties: the right-wing Northern League and the more-difficult-to-categorize Five Star Movement. They have quite different platforms and bases of support, but both are critics of the EU. The new finance minister has called the Euro "a straightjacket produced in Germany" and said the Germans still hold onto the desire for European supremacy from the days of the Nazis. This rhetoric alongside plans to cut taxes and boost social spending has Eurozone officials rattled.

Well that didn't last long :neogaf

The compromise prime minister the League and Five Star Movement agreed on has given up on forming a government. I guess that means they try to find somebody else or new elections? Italy :lol
I wonder who they can find that has the experience of being prime minister and that made this seemingly impossible deal between the two parties happen.

Oh wait. We know who.  :neogaf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on May 27, 2018, 03:05:43 PM
No, Berlusconi is barred from public office.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on May 27, 2018, 03:09:06 PM
Quote from: kris on May 27, 2018, 03:05:43 PM
No, Berlusconi is barred from public office.
The ban was scrapped in May
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44092700 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44092700)

5 stars probably won't go with it but if they just want to fuck with Europe for a few months well...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on May 27, 2018, 03:09:33 PM
oh my god
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on May 27, 2018, 03:14:31 PM
Putin, Trump, Berlusconi, Johnson

Please make it happen just to see Merkel's face when they meet for talks  :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on May 27, 2018, 03:19:14 PM
Berlusconi's party isn't in the proposed coalition. Now if they hold new elections, I guess there's a chance...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on May 27, 2018, 04:35:27 PM
This thread is quite something.
https://twitter.com/leonardocarella/status/1000834362248695808 (https://twitter.com/leonardocarella/status/1000834362248695808)

Calls for the President to be impeached
https://twitter.com/SMerler/status/1000823861745737728 (https://twitter.com/SMerler/status/1000823861745737728)

Gray Connolly with the best hot take of the day
https://twitter.com/GrayConnolly/status/1000858200273440769 (https://twitter.com/GrayConnolly/status/1000858200273440769)

The president seemingly wants to put an IMF guy in charge. Much like the Mario Monti situation before.
https://twitter.com/BRyvkin/status/1000818007793422339 (https://twitter.com/BRyvkin/status/1000818007793422339)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on May 28, 2018, 03:52:30 PM
The EU has once again made an astonishing self-goal.

The Italian President wants an IMF guy as president. But MS5 and Lega are against it. MS5 is the most 'vocal' but was also the winner of the last election so some consider their efforts so far a 'failure'.
A new poll shows that Lega has gained support, pro-EU parties have dropped further and Forza Italia voters have moved to a united front in Lega (especially after Berlusconi endorsed the formation of the MS5/Lega government).

So now we're looking at the following scenario:
- Italian President appoints former IMF exec as PM considered 'ok' by Brussels, Merkel and financial markets
- New government has no majority in parliament and has basically no power to do anything but keep the books in order until a new election can take place
- New elections are organized to break the 'stalemate' so a government can be formed

And these new elections will likely see a massive victory for Lega.
Combined they are polling at 60% of the vote right now. If Forza Italia joins they'd be at 68%(!) vs. the small majority of 51% they have now.

Election results:
Quote
Five Star Movement - 32.18 percent
Democratic Party - 19.13 percent
Lega - 17.64 percent
Forza Italia - 14.44 percent

New poll after IMF/EU coup: 
Quote
Five Star Movement - 29,5%
Lega - 27.5(!) percent
Democratic Party - 19,4%
Forza Italia - 8 percent

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2018, 05:47:50 AM
From what I understand, which is admittingly quite tiny...
Quote from: Nintex on May 28, 2018, 03:52:30 PM
So now we're looking at the following scenario:
- Italian President appoints former IMF exec as PM considered 'ok' by Brussels, Merkel and financial markets
- New government has no majority in parliament and has basically no power to do anything but keep the books in order until a new election can take place
- New elections are organized to break the 'stalemate' so a government can be formed
There's two "stalemates" neither one of which an election is needed to allow a government to form. (Assuming they don't give up and accept Cottarelli.)

The simple one being discussed above which merely needs a new anti-EU President in office so as to not block anti-EU ministers. Easily solved as doing a joint sitting and kicking him out for "high treason" and/or "attacking the Constitution", you only need a majority vote, which they already have. (Sure, that's not how the old establishment parties would do things, but they're bad and why we elected Lega and M5S in the first place.)

And the larger one in which the "populist" anti-establishment parties that are running against everything bad are being forced by the inherent nature of things to start picking things they're actually for and forming ministries and so on. That's what I take as the primary reason Grillo bailed out on his own movement. It wasn't supposed to get involved too much in that nasty politics stuff, just oppose the bad things until things worked out and were good. But that too was already solved through politics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Change) and is actually probably threatened by an election.

Lega increasing their vote share doesn't do anything really, especially if it's taking the anti-EU half of Forza from Forza. If anything it probably threatens the current on-paper agreement by increasing Lega's share of the M5S-Lega coalition with members who probably don't agree with M5S on anything except how much they dislike the EU and foreigners in general.

The Italian system has changed back closer to how it was before 1993, a government can fall without losing confidence and triggering an election as the "first party" no longer is guaranteed a majority of seats. (The entire reason there even is a coalition government discussion this time.)

Just as an example using no support parties or absolutely zero hyperbole. Lega plus M5S is 352 seats, ~55% of the house. Say, M5S is actually a Holodomor movement in disguise except they hate the EU. Once they and Lega withdraw from the EU and build a wall around Italy, M5S can break the coalition, enter into a new one with the "Left coalition" which is 349 seats (assuming they don't get the 14 "Totally Not Communists" to join in), this is also ~55% of the house. (~58% with Free and Equal) They can then go on to nationalize the entire nation's means of production. Lega and the rest of the Right coalition can't do jackshit about this until 2023* as long as the alter-coalition holds confidence.

*Assuming the M5S-Left simply don't repeal elections democratically withdraw non-Marxist parties, of course, before ordering the Ukraine into famine conditions.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on May 29, 2018, 08:14:20 AM
Pioneering the Renaissance, realpolitik, fascism, false flag terrorism, incredibly vulgar plutocrats and now the EU corrosion by weird populist bedfellows. Italy is so Avant Garde...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on May 29, 2018, 03:49:08 PM
https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1001545955110522881 (https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1001545955110522881)

Jared has finally brought peace to the Middle East.

Thank you Jared!

 :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 29, 2018, 04:55:49 PM
Quote from: Nintex on May 29, 2018, 03:49:08 PM
Jared has finally brought peace to the Middle East.

Thank you Jared!

 :jared
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on May 29, 2018, 05:47:00 PM
https://twitter.com/jdh42584085/status/1001577403225968640 (https://twitter.com/jdh42584085/status/1001577403225968640)

Israel is on the receiving end of some pretty big missiles. It's usually just some miniature self-made rocket thingies this seems like a serious escalation.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on May 29, 2018, 06:59:01 PM
CIA report says North Korea won't denuclearize, but might open a burger joint (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/north-korea/cia-report-says-north-korea-won-t-denuclearize-might-open-n878201)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2018, 07:20:53 PM
Mr. President! We MUST NOT allow a hamburger gap!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on May 30, 2018, 06:10:59 PM
https://twitter.com/zaidbenjamin/status/1001948217209249792 (https://twitter.com/zaidbenjamin/status/1001948217209249792)

Thank you Jared.  :umad
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on May 31, 2018, 07:58:42 PM
Italy solved their problem by just agreeing to dump the minister for now: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/italy-edges-populist-led-government-55566717
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Italy's anti-establishment 5-Star Movement and the right-wing League succeeded Thursday in forming western Europe's first populist government, which will be headed by a political novice whose first try was rejected four days earlier as too risky for the Italian economy.

What changed was the willingness of 5-Star leader Luigi Di Maio and League leader Matteo Salvini to shuffle the proposed roster of government ministers amid a financial market scare. They moved an 81-year-old euroskeptic economist vetoed by Italy's president from overseeing the economy ministry to a European affairs Cabinet post.

After the fits, starts and financial turbulence of recent days, the realization of a 5-Star-League coalition government put its populist posture on full display in Salvini's first public remarks. He returned from Rome to address a crowd of supporters in his northern home region of Lombardy.

"I want to make Italy a protagonist in Europe again. With good manners and without creating confusion. But I am fed up of governments with the hat in their hand," Salvini said to cheers. "We are second to no one."
Quote
Mattarella put that premier-designate, Carlo Cottarelli, on hold after the 5-Stars and the League indicated willingness to compromise on their ministers. Di Maio also backed down on threats to seek Mattarella's impeachment over the first failure.

The two leaders canceled other engagements Thursday to meet at the parliament in Rome and hammer out a Cabinet.

With developments moving quickly, Cottarelli stepped aside and Mattarella summoned Conte, who had returned to Rome earlier in the day after turning over his morning class to a substitute.
Quote
It was a stunning comeback from Sunday evening, when Conte — the premier-designate at the time — left a meeting with Mattarella empty-handed and returned to his teaching job.

Emerging from a similar meeting with a different ending Thursday night, Conte read off his Cabinet list and pledged that "we will work with determination to improve the quality of life of all Italians."

The Cabinet includes Di Maio— architect of the government's proposed basic income for struggling Italians — as welfare minister and Salvini — who has pledged to expel hundreds of thousands of migrants — as interior minister.

The new economics minister, Giovanni Tria, is a mainstream economist at Rome University, while the foreign ministry goes to Enzo Moavero Milanesi, a former European Union official in Brussels who was European affairs minister in former Premier Mario Monti's two-year technical government.

In his remarks to supporters, Salvini pledged to make sending migrants back to their home countries a priority.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: HardcoreRetro on June 01, 2018, 04:27:27 AM
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/dcea0e95b2b8c641397815dae3c6364b/tumblr_mpz751t8gZ1rzdl23o1_400.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on June 01, 2018, 02:17:01 PM
So they made the anti-Euro guy the head of European affairs.  :lol

This is Italy's middle finger to the rest of the EU. The President probably didn't dare to have new elections as it would've made the victory MS5 and Lega even bigger.
Knowing the Italians though the entire thing will probably turn into a clown show and implode before any significant laws can be passed.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on June 02, 2018, 12:14:39 PM
https://twitter.com/abdbozkurt/status/1002600043105447936 (https://twitter.com/abdbozkurt/status/1002600043105447936)

Fuck off Turkish fascists. Fuck off and get fucked by a pile driver.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on June 04, 2018, 04:21:12 PM
https://twitter.com/IsraelinUSA/status/1003670703026135042
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on June 04, 2018, 06:17:20 PM
https://twitter.com/RichardWellings/status/1003588873207930880 (https://twitter.com/RichardWellings/status/1003588873207930880)

THE FUTURE REFUSED TO CHANGE
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on June 07, 2018, 05:20:03 PM
Quote
Asked about Donald Trump, Johnson was positive about the US President and even joked that he wouldn’t mind having him lead the Brexit negotiations.

“I am increasingly admiring of Donald Trump,” Johnson said. “I have become more and more convinced that there is method in his madness.”

“Imagine Trump doing Brexit,” Johnson said. “He’d go in bloody hard… There’d be all sorts of breakdowns, all sorts of chaos. Everyone would think he’d gone mad. But actually you might get somewhere. It’s a very, very good thought.”

Running through the threats and opportunities for Britain’s foreign policy, Johnson said he wanted a “much more energetic” approach to the UK’s diplomacy.

Do it Boris, Do eeet!!!!!

 :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on June 07, 2018, 06:44:21 PM
I feel bad for the UK, to be honest. Went from being run by filthy plutocratic crooks to being possessed by economically suicidal fantasies of divorce from the greatest regional alliance in human history all because Cockney blowhards don't like Pollocks. What an embarrassment.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on June 08, 2018, 02:07:38 PM
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsPolitics/status/1005129596814016514 (https://twitter.com/SkyNewsPolitics/status/1005129596814016514)

Theresa May can't compete with the power and might of Boris the Lion.  :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on June 09, 2018, 07:08:24 AM
The state of France right now : :yeshrug

National Railways on intermittent strikes for a few months, a new law on asylum seekers (there's one every year or so these days) with one of Macron MP voting against (the others taking selfies in the chamber to celebrate #unity in their voting), an amendment being passed to reduce the obligation of making housing accessible to disabled people from 100% to 10%, public radio and network TV probably facing 300m€ in cuts... Oh and Macron commissioned a report on poor suburban districts but sent it to the bin right away and joked in fromlnt of local officials that a "a report written by old white dudes read by old white dudes" wasn't gonna help anyway and that they were at fault and shouldn't expect much more credits from the state.

Still no real opposition figure emerging however. Mélenchon is mired in a recent scandal about his campaign funding (a hatchet job and everyone is doing the same is his defense). The conservatives are basically going full right just short of far (if even that) and straining their own base while doing so.

Municipal and European elections coming up, both being a test of sorts though on two different dimensions (can Macronism become a real political party beyond his Providential Man at the local level, does his message on Europe get through and can he have some sort of credibility steering the EU ?). Apparently he is targeting the powerful Paris city hall which has been in the hands of socialists since 2001 (otherwise a strong presence of ex-Gaullist networks depending on the socioeconomic make up of a particular district). A LOT of money is flowing through Paris and the region, both as the undisputed country center and for massive infrastructure projects.

Growth is up, deficit within European criteria for two years in a row and the Social Security is on the way of much smaller losses than expected though it's unclear how much economic recovery he can take credit for.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on June 09, 2018, 07:23:23 AM
France is so weird politically.

They vote for Macron to reform things because they wanted to modernize and not become trapped in a nostalgia binge like Brexit UK.
Macron starts reforming and they block his efforts.

Macron seems like a typical liberal sleazebag but is definitely a step-up from whatever Hollande was supposed to be.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on June 09, 2018, 07:38:08 AM
There's not much actual "blocking" going on, you know. Railways are disturbed less than half the week (though it is noteworthy that so far all the major unions are on board). Some universities are occupied. There's absolutely not the same vibrancy of outright protest than in 1995, 2006 or even for the latest labor reform under Hollande when the Place de la République was occupied every night for two months by a spontaneous popular assembly. Even if out of resignation, people are accepting.

Macron basically has a free hand for at least a year to get whatever he wants through (with only some resistance in Senate). Still everyone agrees he's giving in to the Bonapartist tendencies of the Vth Republic instead of really effecting lasting changes in the political landscape.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on June 09, 2018, 07:39:16 AM
To summarize : polls indicate that a lot of people think of him as the "President for the wealthy" yet are so far not ouright hostile despite this usually cardinal sin.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on June 09, 2018, 01:49:44 PM
Is he really? I feel like all he's done in that regard is relax some labor laws.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on June 09, 2018, 03:16:47 PM
Quote from: kris on June 09, 2018, 01:49:44 PM
Is he really? I feel like all he's done in that regard is relax some labor laws.

They're reducing the tax on wealth, the tax on companies, have a partial amnesty on tax evasion (temporarily) and will suppress a tax aimed at it, passed a flat tax on capital, easing housing norms as I mentioned (and random luck has it, exactly as advocated by real estate promoters !), reducing subsidies for renters but only asking effort to compensate from public landlords... Plus the general language (especially from the Budget Minister who supposedly is shopping in the "Horror Show" of Bercy, the collection of radical cost cutting measures deemed too outrageous). Most of those measures are already voted and on their way to implementation while the "balancing" ones for the middle class and the common man have been defered to a later date and planned over a longer period of time (like the suppression of the tenant tax, though that one, to be fair, have started) while the tax rise on pensions has been acted in the first couple of months.

Not to be a raging leftist but even agreeing with the necessity of reforms, it's fairly clear who the current winners are.

To elaborate on that poll (from early May 2018) :
72% of the sample thinks he is "The President of the wealthy"
50% that his policies are balanced (or both right and left, to quote Macron), 43% that it leans right, 7% that it leans left.
48% have a good opinion of him (Favorability).
59% does not wish him to run for a second mandate (not out of the norm, they thought it even more for the President before him. I guess it comes down to weariness towards politicians.)
78% thinks he is dynamic / energetic and 66% that he has a clear idea of where he is going.
75% that he lacks humility and 68% that he is not in touch with common people.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 10, 2018, 10:28:51 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/nPIO1xA.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on June 10, 2018, 03:12:35 PM
https://twitter.com/L0gg0l/status/1005885588086644736 (https://twitter.com/L0gg0l/status/1005885588086644736)

It begins (ends?)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on June 10, 2018, 03:22:14 PM
Not to support the move but Italy's grievances with regards to how little EU partners actually did share the burden (despite intentions) are not unfounded, even excluding the outrageous bad faith effort of Central Europe members.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/08/eu-met-only-5-of-target-for-relocating-refugees-from-greece-and-italy

"We don't understand why citizens won't trust the EU !?"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on June 10, 2018, 03:41:31 PM
Also this depressing op-ed probably tells it better :

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/10/sunday-essay-how-we-colluded-in-fortress-europe-immigration

(You can find fault with it but I think there's definitely truth to it.)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: EVOL on June 13, 2018, 08:38:22 AM
I doubt anybody here is going to give a fuck, but the provincial elections in South Korea are being held. The liberal party is slaughtering the conservative party, 13-3.

On a side note, the election coverage has been amazing

(https://i.imgur.com/LnuOy1A.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Ixo1Zh7.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/liw7HMD.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: kingv on June 13, 2018, 08:42:15 AM
Seems like they should really be using Starcraft imagery instead of Dark Souls.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: EVOL on June 13, 2018, 08:47:06 AM
Quote from: kingv on June 13, 2018, 08:42:15 AM
Seems like they should really be using Starcraft imagery instead of Dark Souls.

 :confused

StarCraft has been dead here for years gramps, get with the times

The imagery itself is supposed to be a Harry Potter spoof.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Kara on June 13, 2018, 10:16:24 AM
I give a fuck inasmuch that it's a referendum on Moon Jae-in's peace process.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on June 13, 2018, 04:11:59 PM
Quote from: EVOL on June 13, 2018, 08:47:06 AM
Quote from: kingv on June 13, 2018, 08:42:15 AM
Seems like they should really be using Starcraft imagery instead of Dark Souls.

 :confused

StarCraft has been dead here for years gramps, get with the times

The imagery itself is supposed to be a Harry Potter spoof.
That settles it, reunite on the North's terms. We won't sanction this buffoonery.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on June 14, 2018, 02:52:05 PM
There is new hope for Europe. Merkel's position is shaky with politicians at home (CSU) and abroad(Salvini) lined up against her.
https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1007319539439284233 (https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1007319539439284233)

Austria has called for a 'axis of the willing' to deal with the migration problems. The EU is holding a summit in the next two weeks but Merkel's allies are not confident the EU will reach any agreement and are calling her to take matters into her own hands and start closing the border and deporting the illegals.
Meanwhile Merkel responded to the murder of 14 year old girl at the hands of an Iraqi refugee by saying that's why integration was necessary.

This week the head of NATO is talking to the SPD(German social democrats and Putin's biggest gas buddies in Europe) to persuade them to greenlit more military spending.

The austerity/open-borders beast is almost slain  :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on June 14, 2018, 05:31:31 PM
Sometimes I hate you a lot
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Kara on June 14, 2018, 06:18:30 PM
#RememberWhen a Nazi cell murdered people of Turkish descent for years in Germany and the police didn't really investigate it because, well, who knows?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-17514394
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on June 14, 2018, 06:47:52 PM
Quote from: Kara on June 14, 2018, 06:18:30 PM
#RememberWhen a Nazi cell murdered people of Turkish descent for years in Germany and the police didn't really investigate it because, well, who knows?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-17514394
Because in most European states the police are limp dicks or rendered powerless and useless by the political class.
Germany can't handle the far right any better than it can handle the Erdoganista's, Antifa, Eastern European mobsters or fucked up axe wielders.
Most murders go unsolved.

The moment even the most mundane villages had their roads blocked with Merkel lego and security forces started to visibly patrol airfields, train stations and concerts with machine guns it was obvious that any sort of preemptive measures had failed.

In fact, in this Dutch coastal town a state of emergency was declared in a neighborhood after the buses that carry the disabled to school were set alight by 16 year old fuckheads and the locals wanted to take matters into their own hands.
The only police station in this town is actually located in the same neighborhood.

Sometimes it feels like people running social housing here are just doing some fucked up experiment. Housing all the migrants, disabled, LGTBQs, elderly, unemployed in the same neighborhood known to attract drug dealers just to see what happens.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Kara on June 14, 2018, 09:04:50 PM
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In summer 2013, Andreas Temme, the Hessian LfV agent who was inside Halit Yozgat’s internet cafe in Kassel when Yozgat was murdered, testified that he did not hear the silenced shots, nor did he notice the sprinkles of blood on the counter where he placed his payment in coins when he left. Spectators of the Munich trial agree that one of the most searing moments of the trial came when Yozgat’s father described how he found his dying son. It was impossible, he said, that Temme could have left the cafe without seeing the dead body behind the counter.

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Temme, who denies any involvement, said that it was simply a coincidence he was in the cafe at the time of the murder and that he had been surfing dating websites. (“I was in the wrong place at the wrong time,” he said in an interview on German public television in July 2012.) When the police rounded up all those who were present at the scene of the murder, Temme did not come forward. After he was tracked down, Temme claimed that he did not volunteer any information because he was worried that his wife would discover his online proclivities.

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One of the prosecution’s witnesses, a policeman from the village where Temme grew up, testified that in his youth, Temme was known as “Little Adolf”. When the local police tried to dig deeper into allegations that Temme had a personal library of Nazi literature and weapons manuals, the interior minister of the state of Hesse, Volker Bouffier, shielded him from further investigations and from the press.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/15/neo-nazi-murders-revealing-germanys-darkest-secrets
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: HardcoreRetro on June 15, 2018, 03:02:28 AM
Quote from: Nintex on June 14, 2018, 06:47:52 PM

Sometimes it feels like people running social housing here are just doing some fucked up experiment. Housing all the migrants, disabled, LGTBQs, elderly, unemployed in the same neighborhood known to attract drug dealers just to see what happens.  :doge

Ain't that just to increase values of other properties? Get all the undesirable people in one place so prices can go up in another one.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on June 15, 2018, 04:55:18 AM
Kind of impressed at "they corralled all the marginalized groups together under lousy conditions" being used as evidence against any lingering fascist tendencies.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Rufus on June 15, 2018, 05:53:23 AM
Just a reflex.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on June 15, 2018, 06:43:51 AM
Quote from: Mandark on June 15, 2018, 04:55:18 AM
Kind of impressed at "they corralled all the marginalized groups together under lousy conditions" being used as evidence against any lingering fascist tendencies.
It is ultimately what causes both problems.

Asylum seekers housed in overcrowded centers, which end up being recruitment centers for Al Qaeda and ISIS and the same civil Sunni,Shia,Qurds civil war just rages on inside the asylum centers.
Government houses those that are granted asylum in the shittiest crime ridden neighborhoods and cut budgets for aid, education and economic incentives.

Radical Imams start preaching that the state isn't taking care of them and they should take matters into their own hands, don't integrate, stick together as Muslims and/or wage Jihad against their oppressors.
Populist right wingers start campaigning in the already shitty neighborhoods which now blame all their existing problems on the other people.

Note that those from Europe who went to fight for ISIS were not first/second generation migrants. In fact most of them hold European passports and were born here.
But they fell prey to radicalization and economic problems which hit the lowest classes the hardest. Immigration and especially integration has been a big problem in Europe prior to the waves of refugees and it was never properly handled.
Instead of fixing the broken system the EU governments opted to increase the scale of the same failed policies and systems.

The waiting list for mental help for war victims in the Netherlands is now 12 months.

Quote from: HardcoreRetro on June 15, 2018, 03:02:28 AM
Quote from: Nintex on June 14, 2018, 06:47:52 PM

Sometimes it feels like people running social housing here are just doing some fucked up experiment. Housing all the migrants, disabled, LGTBQs, elderly, unemployed in the same neighborhood known to attract drug dealers just to see what happens.  :doge

Ain't that just to increase values of other properties? Get all the undesirable people in one place so prices can go up in another one.

That would be true if you build a fence around the neighborhood. But most of the time an entire village or city is at some point less secure because police has a hard time dealing with a neighborhood.
In some places it actually went quite well. When the less fortunate and minorities are housed alongside people who are well off. One of the best things our government did was to stop huddling all the mentally disabled together in institutions and housed them next to 'normal people' so they'd be better accepted by society. It worked out pretty well.

Part of why integration of the Poles after a few early problems has also been a success. They're not put together in one Polish neighborhood but are actually spread out across communities.   
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: HardcoreRetro on June 15, 2018, 07:48:28 AM
You don't need fences to keep people within their own neighbourhoods, you just need other people.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on June 16, 2018, 07:08:07 PM
Next week might see the end of Merkel's reign
https://www.politico.eu/article/angela-merkels-battle-with-bavaria-refugees-migration-masterplan/ (https://www.politico.eu/article/angela-merkels-battle-with-bavaria-refugees-migration-masterplan/)

All EU crises are coming to their conclusion.

1. Migration
The big issue. Seehofer (interior minster) wants to curb migration and fix it on Germany's terms as the EU has so far failed to reach (and or act) on an agreement. In 3 years time about 1.6 million migrants have entered Germany in less legal ways.
Seehofers' plan includes securing Germany's borders within the EU. Effectively putting Shengen on ice. Polls show most of the German public agrees with him. Merkel refused to let him show his plans but he's not backing down.
Branded a 'rebel' within the government. However, Seehofer is not from Merkel's party but the CSU. A more conservative party than hers which rules Bavaria an important border region. They're facing a big electoral challenge from Afd (Alternative for Germany) which is Germany's version of the 'far right'. Merkels' party wants Merkel to fire Seehofer, which would mean the end of the government and the coalition between the two parties CSU/CDU.

2. Greece and Italy
Italy and Greece are the key for Merkel's plan. She wants them to commit to the original EU migration policy. Which states that asylum seekers should request asylum in the country they first arrive in when they enter Europe.
Which are always the border states (Spain/Greece/Italy etc.) . She intends to offer them the same deal that Erdogan got. Take in the refugees and control the flows in exchange for cash. Now this might've worked 10 years ago but the situation is different.
Greece is fucked financially anyway. Any money they get would be used to pay off loans. They also have no love for Merkel. Italy is an interesting case as well. With populists in power, they're already denying NGO ships entry to ports.
Their interior minister has told illegal migrants to 'start packing their bags'. Chances that Merkel will find allies there for a 'deal' to save her ass domestically are slim. But without Greece and Italy a deal on migration is worthless.

3. Austria/Poland etc.
In the EU a 'coalition of the willing' it forming to reinstate border controls and limit migration. They recently gained a strong ally with Austria and if Seehofer gets his way Germany could join in as well.
Knowing this, these countries aren't expected to make a deal on Merkels terms anytime soon.

4. Merkels allies
An important ally for Germany in Europe is the Netherlands. But our government will be ridden in scandals after the weekend as well. They gave Shell a 7 billion euro tax cut on 45 billion in profit for no good reason outside the books.
Not only does this reek of corruption but it is forbidden within EU regulations as well. Macron of France is an ally of Merkel but he also sees that if Merkel falls on her own sword he would be the leading figure of the EU.
Otherwise Merkel is becoming increasingly isolated politically within the EU. Although she can count on the head figures of the EU itself.

Today Trump made a call to Orban of Hungary. They both discussed the importance of secure borders and Orban wants to create stronger ties between Hungary and the US. Going against Merkel and others who wish to counter Trump on the trade war.
And finally there is NATO who wants Germany to spend more (much more) on restoring and renewing it's military capability. Merkel so far has been cautious on this issue so no love lost there should Merkel lose her power.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on June 18, 2018, 01:05:18 PM
Seehofer turns out to be another pussy pushed around by MUTTI MERKEL.
Has agreed to wait until the end of June with any next steps.

In accordance with the true and tested EU policy of kicking the can down the road until there is no more road.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Kara on June 19, 2018, 11:42:43 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/H6Gv73c.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/anxEgcC.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Rufus on June 19, 2018, 02:46:18 PM
Quote
The fourth Reich
Die-hard nazis dominated the interior ministry during its founding. A study demonstrates the danger which emanated from the public officials.
[...]
The findings are depressing: in the ministry led by the Union [CDU+CSU], historians discovered an "anti-pluralistic understanding of politics", an affinity for "authoritarian solutions", as well as "anti-semitism, racism and xenophobia."

Above-average numbers of former national socialists found refuge in the FMI. In 1961, two-thirds of its leading management had been members of the Nazi Party. About half of which had also joined the Nazi Party's paramilitary wing, the SA.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nola on June 19, 2018, 02:48:46 PM
Thanks for the translation
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Brehvolution on June 19, 2018, 03:03:26 PM
Kind of ruined the mystery for me, tbh.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nabbis on June 19, 2018, 05:33:59 PM
Quote from: Nintex on June 18, 2018, 01:05:18 PM
Seehofer turns out to be another pussy pushed around by MUTTI MERKEL.
Has agreed to wait until the end of June with any next steps.

In accordance with the true and tested EU policy of kicking the can down the road until there is no more road.

Well, what options are there? Any solution is bound to cause a shitstorm. EU won't make authoritative measures unless fringe parties get into power in their respective countries.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on June 19, 2018, 06:02:22 PM
https://twitter.com/POLITICOEurope/status/1009103687732596736 (https://twitter.com/POLITICOEurope/status/1009103687732596736)

 :idont
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 19, 2018, 09:42:37 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44543286
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on June 22, 2018, 01:35:32 PM
Salvini the new interior minister of Italy also has a plan. He wants to ask NATO (specifically the US) to help defend Europe from the South by using the 6st fleet stationed in the Mediterranean.

To Der Spiegel he said about the EU:

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"Whether the whole thing has no sense any more" will be seen in particular in talks on budget and within context of 2019 European Parliament elections.
On migrants, Salvini confirmed:
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"We can’t take even one more, actually we want to hand over a couple," adding that he is aware his stand on migrants could lead to fall of Chancellor Angela Merkel but this isn’t Italy’s intention "even though we’re very distant, not just on the migration issue."

In this documentary he says:
Quote
“We need a mass cleansing. Street by street, quarter by quarter” in the EU.

And Merkel's plan? To ask Italy and Greece to keep the migrants from going to germany by offering them cash and debt relief in return.

Indeed 'Wir schaffen das' Merkel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mQUh6mjKvk

And this is why I was against the 'open borders' policy. Because I know those migrants would end up in terrible conditions because the EU in its entire existence has never properly managed to fix any crisis and could/would(?) hardly support their own poorer member states. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on June 24, 2018, 07:02:18 PM
Erdogan has just been re-elected. :fbm

Say what you will about the US, they only voted for Bush twice.
The Turks have voted for Erdogan over a dozen times now?

The guy that completely tanked your international relations, economy and got you into a covert war with Syria certainly seems like the person who can fix your country.  :doge
Turks are celebrating that the west is crying (of course). 70% of Turkish migrants in the Netherlands voted for Erdogan (of course). And now he has new presidential powers and the absolute majority in parliament to rubber stamp anything.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Flannel Boy on June 24, 2018, 07:49:06 PM
Quote from: Nintex on June 24, 2018, 07:02:18 PM
Erdogan has just been re-elected. :fbm

Say what you will about the US, they only voted for Bush twice.
The Turks have voted for Erdogan over a dozen times now?

The guy that completely tanked your international relations, economy and got you into a covert war with Syria certainly seems like the person who can fix your country.  :doge
Turks are celebrating that the west is crying (of course). 70% of Turkish migrants in the Netherlands voted for Erdogan (of course). And now he has new presidential powers and the absolute majority in parliament to rubber stamp anything.
Quote
In Austria, support for Erdoğan was as high as 72.4 percent with 38.7 ballot boxes opened, while 73.6 percent of Turks living in Belgium voted for the incumbent president.

In Germany, where more than 1.4 million eligible Turkish voters live, Erdoğan had garnered 65.4 percent of the vote.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/majority-of-turkish-expats-endorse-erdogans-presidency-in-election-133737

That's funny considering he got 52.5% overall. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: team filler on June 25, 2018, 01:38:49 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gZFGpNdH1A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0wwYDoI32A
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on June 25, 2018, 03:38:36 AM
Not at all overblown and sensationalistic, I'm sure.

Just as a side note I was nearby the Moulin Rouge too a couple of days ago and I saw a handful of girls literally just wearing bras up top (at the pretty mild temperature of 24°c).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: team filler on June 25, 2018, 05:29:24 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm5SYxRXHsI
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: paprikastaude on June 25, 2018, 05:32:42 AM
Quote from: Nintex on June 24, 2018, 07:02:18 PM
The guy that completely tanked your international relations, economy and got you into a covert war with Syria certainly seems like the person who can fix your country.  :doge

He's also running a propaganda machine and persecuting critics.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Broseidon on June 25, 2018, 08:44:54 AM
https://twitter.com/danielsilas/status/1011163851440697345
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: team filler on June 25, 2018, 08:45:48 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3ClAeKhazo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 25, 2018, 08:49:20 AM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-20/saudi-moves-forward-with-plan-to-turn-qatar-into-island
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on June 25, 2018, 02:07:59 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on June 25, 2018, 08:49:20 AM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-20/saudi-moves-forward-with-plan-to-turn-qatar-into-island
This plan is james bond villain level.

They plan to cut off Qatar's only land border. Furthermore they plan to turn the border into a nuclear waste dump.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgAf701W4AElMG2.png:large)

The world has gone completely bonkers.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on June 25, 2018, 07:17:03 PM
https://twitter.com/SaadAbedine/status/1011151885913370631?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FSaadAbedine%2Fstatus%2F1011151885913370631

Absolutely brutal story
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Crash Dummy on June 26, 2018, 04:59:03 AM
Quote from: Nintex on June 25, 2018, 02:07:59 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on June 25, 2018, 08:49:20 AM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-20/saudi-moves-forward-with-plan-to-turn-qatar-into-island
This plan is james bond villain level.

They plan to cut off Qatar's only land border. Furthermore they plan to turn the border into a nuclear waste dump.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgAf701W4AElMG2.png:large)

The world has gone completely bonkers.  :doge

just need to rename GCC/KSA to the middle east equivalent of ONAN now
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on June 26, 2018, 06:13:11 AM
Quote from: curly on June 25, 2018, 07:17:03 PM
https://twitter.com/SaadAbedine/status/1011151885913370631?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FSaadAbedine%2Fstatus%2F1011151885913370631

Absolutely brutal story
similarly, just to the west and south, this has been a consistent issue with the Western Sahara situation for the last few years too, people are giving up on the "refugee camps" and "autonomous zones" (that are totally collapsing in any semblance of even fake governance) and heading into the desert to disappear
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on June 26, 2018, 04:50:19 PM
Quote from: curly on June 25, 2018, 07:17:03 PM
https://twitter.com/SaadAbedine/status/1011151885913370631?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FSaadAbedine%2Fstatus%2F1011151885913370631

Absolutely brutal story
Now THIS is some Nazi shit.
If you deport people at least have the courtesy of driving them all the way home.

 :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on June 26, 2018, 05:55:30 PM
Europe knows about this too and is fine with it because it means less immigrants. From the Times article:

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Algeria's mass expulsions have picked up since October 2017, as the European Union renewed pressure on North African countries to head off migrants going north to Europe via the Mediterranean Sea or the barrier fences with Spain.

A European Union spokesperson said the EU was aware of what Algeria was doing, but that "sovereign countries" can expel migrants as long as they comply with international law. Unlike Niger, Algeria takes none of the EU money intended to help with the migration crisis, although it did receive $111.3 million in aid from Europe between 2014 and 2017.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Rufus on June 26, 2018, 07:45:55 PM
Naturally. We were quite happy with Gadaffi, too.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on June 26, 2018, 08:14:54 PM
It reminds me of when the Bush administration would send prisoners to places like Egypt to do the torturing that was even too much for us. Outsource the brutality.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 28, 2018, 03:20:47 PM
How will pulling out Nato help American security?

Do Americans think US will spend less on Military if they pull out?

No one is forcing you to spend 3,5% of your gdp...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Brehvolution on June 28, 2018, 03:29:31 PM
trump is just doing what putin wants.
 :putin :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 29, 2018, 12:56:35 AM
Quote from: Stro on June 28, 2018, 03:22:51 PM
Pulling out always saves you money

Spoken like a true westerner that doesnt rely on his seed to be their 401
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on June 29, 2018, 07:24:37 AM
"In the nine months leading up to this weekend's presidential election [in Mexico], 132 politicians have been killed."
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on June 29, 2018, 07:54:21 AM
is Hillary Clinton running for President of Mexico?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on June 30, 2018, 06:17:00 AM
Europe is going to build 'closed' migrant centers in South and Eastern Europe and is going to make more deals with Africa to let refugees die in the desert.

Hitler would be proud of little Angela.  :teehee
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2018, 07:50:29 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/30/world/europe/bavaria-immigration-afd-munich.html
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MUNICH — All seems well in Bavaria.

The streets are clean, unemployment is practically nonexistent, social benefits are generous and a vibrant sense of identity infuses small villages and big cities alike: Even teenagers sometimes don dirndls and lederhosen for a night out at the disco.

Yet this is the new angry center of Europe, the latest battleground for populists eager to bring down both Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany and the idea of a liberal Europe itself.

Rich, religious and on the southern border, Bavaria is the Texas of Germany.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Corporal on July 01, 2018, 01:25:46 PM
As a Bavarian who has been to Texas once, the comparison seems apt.

...

On topic: Currently all of us Bavarians are watching whether CDU and CSU will continue their unholy union, or break apart so Seehofer can be his true self and crawl in front of the AfD peeps some more. Pretty exciting stuff to be honest.

For one, Seehofer taking the CSU and doing his own thing could backfire spectacularly. CSU isn't even all that well-liked in Bavaria according to polls, but it gets votes because CDU isn't competing in Bavaria so they're the proxy "Republican" vote. If their union should fall apart and CDU starts to compete in Bavaria, CSU could find itself in hot water.

Breaking the union also means Merkel gets bent over a barrel, politically, since she needs the CSU to have the kind of unflinching support to bully the other parties. It'd also push CDU even more to the middle of the political spectrum (and the CSU even farther into the right). Interesting times ahead.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on July 01, 2018, 05:28:00 PM
https://twitter.com/jennyhillBBC/status/1013532608611930112 (https://twitter.com/jennyhillBBC/status/1013532608611930112)

 :ohhh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Corporal on July 02, 2018, 02:33:57 AM
I refuse to cheer until his resignation is accepted and the old foagey is on his way back home. So far I'd classify this as a double dog dare, and there's a very good chance Merkel will step back in the interest of staying in power and avoiding a whole slew of annoyances.

(I am stocking up on party supplies though. That guy's an asshole. Just like most of the rest of his party.)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on July 02, 2018, 03:11:29 AM
The french observers I listened to agree that everyone will probably chicken out in the end, as no one is really in shape to profit from a crisis apart from the AFD.

They also commented that the echos from the Bundestag were that the optimism the AFD would discredit themselves in the "real" day to day political work in parliament was unfounded. Their teams are competent and engaged, so no sudden credibility collapse to wait from here.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2018, 03:47:02 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on July 02, 2018, 03:11:29 AM
The french observers I listened to agree that everyone will probably chicken out in the end
:teehee
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: fizzel on July 02, 2018, 11:03:02 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 01, 2018, 07:50:29 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/30/world/europe/bavaria-immigration-afd-munich.html
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MUNICH — All seems well in Bavaria.

The streets are clean, unemployment is practically nonexistent, social benefits are generous and a vibrant sense of identity infuses small villages and big cities alike: Even teenagers sometimes don dirndls and lederhosen for a night out at the disco.

Yet this is the new angry center of Europe, the latest battleground for populists eager to bring down both Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany and the idea of a liberal Europe itself.

Rich, religious and on the southern border, Bavaria is the Texas of Germany.


And that's how they intend to keep it.

Its one of those strange arguments the left throws out, "you vote conservatively yet you don't live in our cosmopolitan wonderland!" It's almost as if we live in the age of the automobile and a dime a dozen shithole city full of vibrants is a 30 minute drive away.




Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Corporal on July 02, 2018, 01:36:00 PM
The fuckery around Seehofer continues.

Other parties are already calling for Bavaria to close its borders and not let Seehofer back in. Oh, and for Seehofer to resign in earnest regardless of outcome etc. The old ghoul is drawing a lot of aggro. And press. Just like he wanted to. It's sad.

Gotta love the SPD in all of this though. They're just laying low and pretending to be furniture. Well not quite, they're occasionally carefully going with the flow. Better not offend Mutti in the likely case that this is all a work.  ::)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on July 02, 2018, 04:59:05 PM
Quote from: Corporal on July 02, 2018, 01:36:00 PM
The fuckery around Seehofer continues.

Other parties are already calling for Bavaria to close its borders and not let Seehofer back in. Oh, and for Seehofer to resign in earnest regardless of outcome etc. The old ghoul is drawing a lot of aggro. And press. Just like he wanted to. It's sad.

Gotta love the SPD in all of this though. They're just laying low and pretending to be furniture. Well not quite, they're occasionally carefully going with the flow. Better not offend Mutti in the likely case that this is all a work.  ::)
From what I'm reading there is some sort of CSU/CDU deal on the table that includes migrant transit zones. But the SPD was always against that so if they block it, the government could collapse.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Corporal on July 02, 2018, 07:10:13 PM
That's the beauty of politics.

SPD now has the option to kill the GroKo and effectively end Merkel. This would be quite a disaster for everyone involved, including them because they're still polling like repackaged shit. So they will go into talks and attempt to fire up some drama like Seehofer, but since nobody takes them seriously anymore they will bow down in the end. In general: Everyone knows the C*U are assholes. The SPD sells themselves as middle class gentlebeings, so they can't really hold a knife to Muttis neck and demand equal treatment.

Plus, it's either them or Seehofer, and CDU/CSU won't even consider them over their own Union. At best it will be a relabeling and fudging of sorts. Maybe a kicking of the can down the road. And that will kill the SPD at the polls some more. And fire up the good old drama factory inside the party, which had just barely calmed down after the last election debacle.

The alternative is being labeled the coalition destroyer and going into another election with no hope of achieving a majority, tanking numbers, and also branded as an unreliable coalition partner. I don't have a good read on the new leadership, but I very much doubt they'll try the hail mary.


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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 03, 2018, 07:37:14 PM
https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/al-shabaab-plastic-bag-ban/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 03, 2018, 07:43:14 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on July 03, 2018, 07:37:14 PM
https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/al-shabaab-plastic-bag-ban/

Wait...this isn't from ClickHole?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 03, 2018, 07:46:27 PM
Quote
BBC‘s coverage of the ban noted that it is currently unclear just how they will go about implementing the ban but that because of “widespread fear of the group’s use of violence“, people usually do what they tell them to do.
wow, who do they think they are, the state?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Rufus on July 03, 2018, 07:46:48 PM
Providing essential services to win hearts and minds.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on July 05, 2018, 06:44:55 PM
https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1014510126852603904

https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1014496626243710977

Macron just tearing it up
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on July 05, 2018, 07:03:50 PM
"...however do try to be successful in Nigeria and not too numerous to tempt to cross the Med to France."
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Corporal on July 05, 2018, 07:37:22 PM
And it's stick-a-fork-in-it-o'clock in Germany.
(https://abload.de/img/132572358800198kna.jpg)
( :-\ in German)
SPD folded nearly immediately as soon as the words "Transit camps" were removed (in Seehofers words: because "you know our coalition partner has problems with the term") and the concept got some vague fluffy language, pig-with-lipstick style. In fact, so little is disclosed/known that it's either the same as before or a relabeling, who knows. Makes no side in all of this look good, but of course everyone is congratulating themselves on their victory.


Meanwhile Germans are hugely annoyed with government (78% are unhappy and think they're not doing their job, +15% from last month). Mutti is still hovering at around 48% approval (-2 points) while Seehofer has crashed to 27% (-16%). Still means that one in four Germans think he's doing a good job. Ugh.
Nonetheless, lowest point on record only matched in July 2015. So there's that.

Also, "technically most" (56%) Germans are sick of the focus on refugees and related themes and would like to see other issues in the highlight, like education policy and care services. Hope springs eternal.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on July 05, 2018, 07:37:40 PM
The "start-up nation" rhetoric feels so outdated. Although I guess the Jupiterian presidency doesn't need to follow the fashions of the time.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nola on July 06, 2018, 04:29:36 AM
Shoko Asahara and a bunch of his followers were hanged.

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1015025739362598917
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on July 06, 2018, 05:33:25 AM
Quote from: curly on July 05, 2018, 07:37:40 PM
The "start-up nation" rhetoric feels so outdated. Although I guess the Jupiterian presidency doesn't need to follow the fashions of the time.

It's pretty trite but Macron's "freshness" relies on a lot of things (most importantly his youth). There's this "wisdom" you'll sometimes hear by commenters that France has an habit of being late / going counter cyclical, but it seems mostly predicated on just two examples (Mitterrand & Macron).

It's still not yet clear how the French political landscape will re-form. The conservative party head, Wauquiez, sacked his "moderate" vice president and is doubling down on chasing down his right because that's the only space he has left to exist. The left is still a bumbling mess though it may rebound earlier (as I mentioned earlier, the center left is most likely to be dissatisfied sooner by the President). Mélenchon successfully broke the Socialists but failed to transform the try into being the sole legitimate voice and AFAICT his party which is not a party is meeting some of the same growing pains as Macron's movement plus is plagued by a number of negative stories (Mélenchon campaign financing, one militant chosen to oversee the making of the candidate list for the European election going to the press with the story of how party leadership cooked up said list with little regards for the vote of the militants or the objections of appointed observers).

The far right Front National also had a name change (to Rassemblement National) and it's strength is pretty hard to gauge at this point. It's not the only name change at the fringe : Marion Maréchal Le Pen (grand daughter of the historical party head and niece of the current leader) now goes by just Marion Maréchal. She went on a break from politics last year but a lot of noise was made of her new position as the head of a private university with a clear ideological bent to the far right. It's ostensible she is paving her way back into the party to displace her aunt whose credibility is shaken.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on July 06, 2018, 05:49:59 AM
In less international news, the car of the mayor of Nantes (France's sixth largest city or so) has been burnt last night. A 22 years old man has been fatally shot by a policeman 3 or 4 days ago. Since then, there's been protests, some peaceful, others less so with "clashes in disfranchised neighbourhoods" as the media usually say. The policeman is now in custody and investigated by internal affairs.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2018, 06:11:37 AM
Why is Macron tweeting in English, what do they have on him? :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: warcock on July 06, 2018, 06:16:13 AM
Is melenchon really responsible for the downfall of the PS when in fact macron seems to have broken it from within?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on July 06, 2018, 06:31:36 AM
Quote from: warcock on July 06, 2018, 06:16:13 AM
Is melenchon really responsible for the downfall of the PS when in fact macron seems to have broken it from within?

Obviously. Though a candidate like Hamon, who was trending farther from the center, would have fared much better than taking an historic beating without such a strong challenge on his left. Or if Mélenchon actually did go for an alliance of sorts. He did not do it single handedly but it's fair trade say he gave the final shot.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: warcock on July 06, 2018, 11:49:52 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on July 06, 2018, 06:31:36 AM
Quote from: warcock on July 06, 2018, 06:16:13 AM
Is melenchon really responsible for the downfall of the PS when in fact macron seems to have broken it from within?

Obviously. Though a candidate like Hamon, who was trending farther from the center, would have fared much better than taking an historic beating without such a strong challenge on his left. Or if Mélenchon actually did go for an alliance of sorts. He did not do it single handedly but it's fair trade say he gave the final shot.

That's fair. I like Hamon personally but yeah prolly worse than bernie in terms of time, place and context.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on July 06, 2018, 01:09:27 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on July 03, 2018, 07:37:14 PM
https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/al-shabaab-plastic-bag-ban/
So they are working for Soros after all  :ohhh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 07, 2018, 04:58:47 AM
So the Together We Will Make History coalition controls the Presidency, the Chamber of Deputies and the Senate in Mexico now. You know what we call that?

Dictatorship.

Canada, US, Mexico, all single-party dictatorships now.

At least Cuba remains a strong people's democratic dictatorship so there's somewhere to flee to.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Optimus on July 07, 2018, 06:11:45 AM
And on today's international news of:

M A L E  F E M I N I S T S



Trudeau on groping allegations: ‘I apologized in the moment’ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/07/02/justin-trudeau-responds-to-groping-allegations-i-dont-remember-any-negative-interactions/?utm_term=.75d64620d3d2)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on July 07, 2018, 01:42:19 PM
Throwback (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/size-does-matter-for-the-euro-condom-1321626.html):

Quote
Europe has given new meaning to what it means to be a member. Condoms, the European Committee on Standardisation (CEN) has ruled, must have a minimum length of 170 millimetres (6.8in). The current minimum length requirement in Britain is 160mm.

This does not mean that the average British member is 10mm shorter than its European counterpart. Longer condoms are considered safer for contraceptive reasons and as a barrier against HIV infection.

On matters of width, British manufacturers will be given more latitude than before. Britain previously allowed just two condom widths, 48 mm and 52 mm, but makers will have more flexibility to market narrower or wider versions - as long as they remain within the agreed European range of 44 to 56mm wide.

The harmonised standards for the first Euro-condom have been agreed in Brussels after years of debate. The standard guarantees minimum levels of reliability, strength and durability as well as minimum length and width requirements. No maximum length has been specified.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 07, 2018, 02:16:52 PM
https://nypost.com/2018/07/07/philippine-president-says-hell-resign-if-anybody-can-prove-god-exists/
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MANILA, Philippines — The Philippine president, who recently sparked outrage for calling God stupid, has courted new controversy in his largely Roman Catholic country by saying he will resign if anybody can prove that God exists.

President Rodrigo Duterte, who has had a thorny relationship with the church, questioned anew in a speech late Friday some of the basic tenets of the Catholic faith, including the concept of original sin, which he said taints even innocent infants and can only be removed through baptism in a church for a fee.

“Where is the logic of God there?” Duterte asked in a speech at the opening of a science and technology event in southern Davao city.

The 73-year-old leader said that if there’s “one single witness” who can prove, perhaps with a picture or a selfie that a human was “able to talk and to see God,” he will immediately resign.

Duterte, however, suggested that there must be a God or a supreme being that prevents billions of stars and celestial bodies from colliding in a frequency that could have long threatened the human race.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: chronovore on July 07, 2018, 09:49:08 PM
Quote from: Optimus on July 07, 2018, 06:11:45 AM
And on today's international news of:

M A L E  F E M I N I S T S



Trudeau on groping allegations: ‘I apologized in the moment’ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/07/02/justin-trudeau-responds-to-groping-allegations-i-dont-remember-any-negative-interactions/?utm_term=.75d64620d3d2)
If we're about to start calling each other out over things that are half a lifetime ago, you boys better get yourselves girded.

Quote from: Nola on July 06, 2018, 04:29:36 AM
Shoko Asahara and a bunch of his followers were hanged.

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1015025739362598917
1995 attack? It's 2018, so he's had 23 years more than some of his victims. Any time a bullshit religion tells you it's time to kill people, it's time to re-think your spiritual choices.


…christ, I'm in full-on Pontificating Dad Mode today.  :-\
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Kara on July 07, 2018, 09:51:51 PM
It's hard to not give in to your emotions on issues like that, but the Assassin's Creed does not command us to be free. It commands us to be wise. :)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Optimus on July 08, 2018, 02:44:56 AM
Quote from: chronovore on July 07, 2018, 09:49:08 PM
Quote from: Optimus on July 07, 2018, 06:11:45 AM
And on today's international news of:

M A L E  F E M I N I S T S



Trudeau on groping allegations: ‘I apologized in the moment’ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/07/02/justin-trudeau-responds-to-groping-allegations-i-dont-remember-any-negative-interactions/?utm_term=.75d64620d3d2)
If we're about to start calling each other out over things that are half a lifetime ago, you boys better get yourselves girded.


Oh I'm sorry I'm only using

M A L E  F E M I N I S T


standards here, afterall it would be a shame to make exceptions. Since they follow the reeeetarded dogma they should face the consequences based on that dogma. And based on that shit there's no forgiveness, no exceptions, no gray areas or else you're painted a rapist and a sexual deviant. If you support an ideology I'd expect you to stay consistent and not be a fucking hypocrite that suddenly becomes logical when it affects you or your ideological allies.

Furthermore since M A L E  F E M I N I S T S support movements like #MeToo that smear and destroy the lives of men based on zero evidence I'm inclined to believe everything that woman said about Trudeau.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on July 08, 2018, 12:55:24 PM
brazilian judge orders lula released from prison. another judge says the first doesn't have the authority. lula is leading polls for the election this year, so if he could run he would likely win.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on July 08, 2018, 06:03:04 PM
Quote
U.N. view on the European migrant crisis? There isn't one

GENEVA (Reuters) - The European Union is not in the throes of a migration crisis, despite a “toxic narrative” and political spin, U.N. migration experts said on Friday.

Disputes over immigration have divided the European Union, with splits between and within governments about who should take responsibility for migrants crossing the Mediterranean. The issue threatened to bring down German Chancellor Angela Merkel and was a major factor in Britain’s vote to leave the EU.

“We consider it a political crisis, not a migrant crisis. The numbers are not that significant,” said Leonard Doyle, spokesman for the U.N. International Organization for Migration.

“We are concerned that the toxic narrative against migrants, to put it bluntly, be diminished, and people see migration for what it is. It’s a necessary part of the modern world, provided it’s managed. The issue is that people’s perception is that it’s out of control,” he said.

The numbers of people risking the journey across the sea peaked in 2015, but have fallen sharply in each subsequent year. In the first half of 2018, 46,449 migrants and refugees entered Europe by sea, according to the IOM.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-un/u-n-view-on-the-european-migrant-crisis-there-isnt-one-idUSKBN1JW1Z5 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-un/u-n-view-on-the-european-migrant-crisis-there-isnt-one-idUSKBN1JW1Z5)

it's almost as if the real problem is racism
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on July 08, 2018, 07:12:30 PM
Quote from: curly on July 08, 2018, 06:03:04 PM
Quote
U.N. view on the European migrant crisis? There isn't one

GENEVA (Reuters) - The European Union is not in the throes of a migration crisis, despite a “toxic narrative” and political spin, U.N. migration experts said on Friday.

Disputes over immigration have divided the European Union, with splits between and within governments about who should take responsibility for migrants crossing the Mediterranean. The issue threatened to bring down German Chancellor Angela Merkel and was a major factor in Britain’s vote to leave the EU.

“We consider it a political crisis, not a migrant crisis. The numbers are not that significant,” said Leonard Doyle, spokesman for the U.N. International Organization for Migration.

“We are concerned that the toxic narrative against migrants, to put it bluntly, be diminished, and people see migration for what it is. It’s a necessary part of the modern world, provided it’s managed. The issue is that people’s perception is that it’s out of control,” he said.

The numbers of people risking the journey across the sea peaked in 2015, but have fallen sharply in each subsequent year. In the first half of 2018, 46,449 migrants and refugees entered Europe by sea, according to the IOM.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-un/u-n-view-on-the-european-migrant-crisis-there-isnt-one-idUSKBN1JW1Z5 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-un/u-n-view-on-the-european-migrant-crisis-there-isnt-one-idUSKBN1JW1Z5)

it's almost as if the real problem is racism
The real problem is the problem with everything the EU does. It's called kicking the can down the road until there is no more road.

If Merkel's response to the first crisis wasn't to unilaterally declare: *throws up hands* "Wir Schaffen das!" . Hungary, Italy and others could've been persuaded to come up with a sensible EU-wide policy.
They're pretending that Orban broke ranks but it was in fact Merkel that threw out every sort of migration policy there was and replaced it with an invitation for everyone to come to Germany.
She ignored the problem when it was Greece's. When Golden Dawn literally smashed the camps and beat up the migrants it was all 'LAZY GREEKS' pulling 'TRICKS' to 'EVADE DEBT PAYMENT' according to the MSM.
There was no migrant crisis known to most of the EU, until Syriza came into the picture in Greece and threatened to open 'The flood gates' toward Europe. To which the EU response was to try and persuade Ukraine to build migrant camps and shelter them in exchange for cash.   But that blew up because well, Ukraine blew up.

Also the UN looks at this purely from a 'numbers' point of view. We have daily reports of 'confused' migrants lashing out or going mental on the streets.
Not because they're bad people but because they need psychiatric help to deal with god knows what horrors they've endured. Not to mention most are stuck in Asylum centers for months or even years waiting for the government to decide what to do with them.

There's literally no plan to get any of the migrants healthcare, psychiatric help or even education, housing or jobs.
Housing prices are rising fast. In some cities 25% during the last 12 months. Not much is being built to keep prices high.
With Britain Brexiting our cities are fast filling up with highly educated expats who can afford the high-rents with well paying jobs.

And before someone plays the deportation Nazi card. There's no effort being made to bring the migrants back home. Migrants denied a legal status to stay are informed by a letter that they should go back to their country of origin on their own accord.
At which point they surprisingly decide to stay illegally.

If that's how it is in this country (which is well off and basically an example that other EU states follow in most cases), I can't imagine what a mess it must be in places like Italy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Optimus on July 09, 2018, 02:14:41 AM
Quote from: curly on July 08, 2018, 06:03:04 PM
Quote
U.N. view on the European migrant crisis? There isn't one

GENEVA (Reuters) - The European Union is not in the throes of a migration crisis, despite a “toxic narrative” and political spin, U.N. migration experts said on Friday.

Disputes over immigration have divided the European Union, with splits between and within governments about who should take responsibility for migrants crossing the Mediterranean. The issue threatened to bring down German Chancellor Angela Merkel and was a major factor in Britain’s vote to leave the EU.

“We consider it a political crisis, not a migrant crisis. The numbers are not that significant,” said Leonard Doyle, spokesman for the U.N. International Organization for Migration.

“We are concerned that the toxic narrative against migrants, to put it bluntly, be diminished, and people see migration for what it is. It’s a necessary part of the modern world, provided it’s managed. The issue is that people’s perception is that it’s out of control,” he said.

The numbers of people risking the journey across the sea peaked in 2015, but have fallen sharply in each subsequent year. In the first half of 2018, 46,449 migrants and refugees entered Europe by sea, according to the IOM.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-un/u-n-view-on-the-european-migrant-crisis-there-isnt-one-idUSKBN1JW1Z5 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-un/u-n-view-on-the-european-migrant-crisis-there-isnt-one-idUSKBN1JW1Z5)

it's almost as if the real problem is racism


You and these elitist pricks are out of touch with reality, you people are the biggest reason the far-right is solidifying its position in Europe.

Sweden, fucking Sweden, has seen a rapid rise of the SD far right party at numbers that could put it first or second in the upcoming elections and it's all because SWEDES ARE RACISTS. No, it couldn't be that mass immigration from some of the most underdeveloped, illiterate and ultra-religious parts of the world to the most developed and educated ones can pose significant threat to the way of life for that continent and significant problems to the society of these nations, it MUST be racism. Yes, keep dismissing the concerns of regular citizens that actually live with these people as blind racism and see what happens next.

Of course the elitist pricks that hide behind gates wouldn't have a problem because they never face the consequences, of course armchair analysts like you would just blame the racists but reality is that the far-right is winning in Europe not because of racism but because of a crisis American wars created and a neoliberal Union many citizens in Europe absolutely despise because of its disconnect with them. So where do they turn? To the only parties that both want out of the EU (for their own nationalistic reasons) and to "deal with the immigration crisis" (with their own fascist tactics). Put in the mix the austerity measures the EU fucks are pushing for and voila, the perfect storm.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on July 09, 2018, 02:34:26 AM
lol brocialists
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Optimus on July 09, 2018, 02:46:54 AM
lol bourgeois elitist liberals
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on July 09, 2018, 03:00:04 AM
The height of leftist politics is making sure the uncivilized hordes of the third world stay on the other side of the metaphorical and literal walls surrounding the first world. Because when Marx said "workers of the world, unite" he was referring to workers from those advanced and superior civilizations who DEFINITELY didn't achieve their relatively comfortable standard of living by spending a couple centuries sucking the blood of the rest of the world.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on July 09, 2018, 03:09:45 AM
Quote from: Optimus on July 09, 2018, 02:14:41 AM
No, it couldn't be that mass immigration from some of the most underdeveloped, illiterate and ultra-religious parts of the world to the most developed and educated ones can pose significant threat to the way of life for that continent and significant problems to the society of these nations, it MUST be racism.

Quote from: Optimus on July 09, 2018, 02:46:54 AM
lol bourgeois elitist liberals


Immigrants from Syria, Iraq, and Afhganistan combined make up like 3-4% of the Swedish population. It's hard to see that as posing a "significant threat to the way of life" to native Swedes.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on July 09, 2018, 03:27:15 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIHZCT2VTz0
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Optimus on July 09, 2018, 03:42:05 AM
Quote from: curly on July 09, 2018, 03:00:04 AM
The height of leftist politics is making sure the uncivilized hordes of the third world stay on the other side of the metaphorical and literal walls surrounding the first world. Because when Marx said "workers of the world, unite" he was referring to workers from those advanced and superior civilizations who DEFINITELY didn't achieve their relatively comfortable standard of living by spending a couple centuries sucking the blood of the rest of the world.


The height of leftist politics is being connected to the middle and lower classes and understanding their concerns and problems, not to be an elitist pretentious prick that immediately suggests "let them eat cake" every time they voice their frustration with certain conditions and policies.

 Immigration is fine, mass immigration from far different cultures creates disastrous conflict that usually end in fucked up situations. Furthermore the ultimate goal of immigration is integration. When there's mass immigration of populations with far different cultures that basically take over poor neighborhoods there can never be integration since they create their own culture within these places, they don't even have to learn the language.


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The combined immigrants from Syria, Iraq, and Afhganistan make up like 3-4% of the Swedish population. It's hard to see that as posing a "significant threat to the way of life" to native Swedes.

lol for implying I'm an elitist for mentioning facts. At no point was I hostile towards immigrants in my post, it's this thing you do where to assign characteristics to people for mentioning facts, because apparently facts are now racist, sexist, xenophobic and so on. Immigration just in one year in Sweden was at ~150k iirc, stop using fudged statistics that only fit your agenda. Foreign born population in Sweden was 1.7 million in 2017 in a country of ~10 million, of course not the entire percentage of that is people from third world and war torn countries but the majority is.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on July 09, 2018, 03:54:58 AM
Listened to this decent podcast on the current Italian government. It's in French however...

https://soundcloud.com/user-102568040/litalie-44

Basically, and to cover  watch for September when they will have to pass a budget, with the Lega having promised a flat tax and 5 Stars a form of universal revenue for citizens. Immigration and euroskepticism is a convenient topic for some common ground but it cannot last (so far that cabinet didn't even pass a law).

Also some interesting insights on French foreign policy. Everyone agree it always was clumsy, Italy being a third wheel used by France to bait Germany when the Teutons get bored of our Gallic antics. Italians feel deeply humiliated by it (and the many political and economical gaffes) and Macron was very not slick in the way he antagonized the current administration but since then seems to go for a much smarter approach by befriending the Prime Minister (a technocratic chaperon) and making overtures towards 5 Stars. Maybe in hopes of splintering the Cabinet and having an ally in the next European elections. The Democrat Party, which would seem a natural ally, is in total disarray and 5 Stars has been leading elections for some years (with even distribution in both Northern and Southern Italy). The expert guest also provocatively suggested 5 Stars and Macron's own movement shared more than you would expect (at least in terms of dynamics).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on July 09, 2018, 03:56:51 AM
Quote from: Optimus on July 09, 2018, 03:42:05 AM
When there's mass immigration of populations with far different cultures that basically take over poor neighborhoods there can never be integration since they create their own culture within these places, they don't even have to learn the language.

How true is this?

My knowledge is pretty US-centric on this, but immigrant populations are pretty consistent in the rate at which they adopt the native language, IIRC. Not all first generation immigrants do well (it's hard as an adult!) but their children are almost uniformly proficient. That's something which has repeated itself several times over our history with groups that people at the time thought were too clannish, isolated, and culturally incompatible (Germans, Italians, Irish), and you had a comparable or higher foreign-born share of the population for over half a century.

I imagine with a mass media culture that it would be harder rather than easier to stay culturally isolated now than in the 19th century.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on July 09, 2018, 04:12:44 AM
Quote from: Optimus on July 09, 2018, 03:42:05 AM
Quote from: curly on July 09, 2018, 03:00:04 AM
The height of leftist politics is making sure the uncivilized hordes of the third world stay on the other side of the metaphorical and literal walls surrounding the first world. Because when Marx said "workers of the world, unite" he was referring to workers from those advanced and superior civilizations who DEFINITELY didn't achieve their relatively comfortable standard of living by spending a couple centuries sucking the blood of the rest of the world.


The height of leftist politics is being connected to the middle and lower classes and understanding their concerns and problems, not to be an elitist pretentious prick that immediately suggests "let them eat cake" every time they voice their frustration with certain conditions and policies.

what class do you think refugees are part of you moron
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Rufus on July 09, 2018, 05:50:07 AM
Quote from: Nintex on July 08, 2018, 07:12:30 PM
They're pretending that Orban broke ranks but it was in fact Merkel that threw out every sort of migration policy there was and replaced it with an invitation for everyone to come to Germany.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0g0BDEid8M
(If you can bear his accent.)

Sargon makes an appearance in the comments, too.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on July 09, 2018, 08:43:59 AM
Eritrea and Ethiopia no longer at war, which is pretty big news.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Kara on July 09, 2018, 09:46:59 AM
#thedualities of advocating the mass line while opposing the JDPON.

Opt, if you haven't read Lenin's "Should Revolutionaries Work in Reactionary Trade Unions?" already I think you might find it informative.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2018, 10:22:42 AM
Quote from: curly on July 09, 2018, 04:12:44 AM
Quote from: Optimus on July 09, 2018, 03:42:05 AM
Quote from: curly on July 09, 2018, 03:00:04 AM
The height of leftist politics is making sure the uncivilized hordes of the third world stay on the other side of the metaphorical and literal walls surrounding the first world. Because when Marx said "workers of the world, unite" he was referring to workers from those advanced and superior civilizations who DEFINITELY didn't achieve their relatively comfortable standard of living by spending a couple centuries sucking the blood of the rest of the world.


The height of leftist politics is being connected to the middle and lower classes and understanding their concerns and problems, not to be an elitist pretentious prick that immediately suggests "let them eat cake" every time they voice their frustration with certain conditions and policies.

what class do you think refugees are part of you moron
"socialism in one country" the others have to earn it first not steal it :bolo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2018, 10:30:48 AM
Quote from: Kara on July 09, 2018, 09:46:59 AM
Opt, if you haven't read Lenin's "Should Revolutionaries Work in Reactionary Trade Unions?" already I think you might find it informative.
woah, what's with trying to get people to read a neoliberal male feminist? you some kind of elitist?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Kara on July 09, 2018, 10:51:17 AM
Elite was an influential game series, serving as a model for Privateer, Grand Theft Auto, EVE Online, Freelancer, X, and No Man's Sky.

:bolo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Raist on July 09, 2018, 01:41:51 PM
Brexit, the gift that keeps on giving.

Boris Johnson (Foreign Secretary) and David Davis (Brexit Secretary) have resigned today.

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cv_tI-fOVzM/WLbbFNhnMxI/AAAAAAAAHjQ/NjFROJVEsW8QhK7Wc5vZnzXoLuRy6ASzQCLcB/s320/iP42wHz.gif)



For extra laughs:

(https://abload.de/img/125e81d8-4935-45d8-97vsj7r.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/28791f0d-2b9e-4b61-a8nljzb.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on July 09, 2018, 03:00:53 PM
On top of the Brexit meltdown Donald Trump arrives in the UK in three days. Right in the middle of this mess.

If May's smart she resigns like Cameron did when he figured out he was going to be the fall guy.
Boris is simply 'excusing' himself from the government so he can complain from the sidelines and prepare to take over.
May stepping down and not taking the heat in Brussels and at the NATO summit would throw a wrench in that plan.

It seems like the Tories are going for scorched earth so whatever Labour government comes in next has no hope of fixing anything they broke.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2018, 03:05:52 PM
They don't have to call an election until 2022.

They've also actually taken back the polling lead the last few months for the first time since the last election. And May crushes Corbyn larger than she ever has.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Raist on July 09, 2018, 03:30:53 PM
Yeah polling also had her win the last GE. And yet here she is, in bed with some ultra-religious cunts from NI.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Corporal on July 09, 2018, 03:37:44 PM
Still hilarious that the opposition is so utterly unattractive that even a botch job like Brexit cannot push them above roughly half of all available votes.

Gonna be entertaining once BoJo starts to seriously take potshots at May and Co.



Yay, four more Thai footsie guys have been rescured. You go, guys. Or rather, you dive. Five hours, eh. I love diving, but I'd probably go insane after such a long time of claustrophobia from getting squished between rocks, even when hopped up on drugs.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on July 09, 2018, 04:30:46 PM
I mean Corbyn ain't exactly promising to push back on Brexit (or so I believe ?).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on July 09, 2018, 04:36:01 PM
As for the Ethiopa / Eritrea peace accord, I'll just mention that the sporadic war included some actual air battles involving MIG-29s and SU-27s, which is noteworthy because there's not a ton of that anymore between somewhat even air forces and with Soviet jets of that generation.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Raist on July 09, 2018, 06:29:45 PM
Jeremy Hunt takes over as foreign secretary. lolololololz

This guy:

(https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/57f400af170000f70aac96cc.jpeg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 10, 2018, 12:01:21 PM
Quote from: Stro on July 09, 2018, 08:49:20 PM
Quote from: Optimus on July 09, 2018, 02:46:54 AM
lol bourgeois elitist liberals

lol brourgeois elitist liberals

lmao look at this college intellectual cuck thinking he can wall off the developed world from third-world refugees and still smash the neo-liberal capitalist state :neogaf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on July 10, 2018, 03:11:58 PM
Trump is throwing down the gauntlet at the EU and NATO
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1016757033071079424 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1016757033071079424)

Europeans baffled
https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1016760319404855296 (https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1016760319404855296)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on July 10, 2018, 06:42:41 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 10, 2018, 12:01:21 PM

lmao look at this college intellectual giant dad thinking he can wall off the developed world from third-world refugees and still smash the neo-liberal capitalist state :neogaf

Hillary declares herself a woke bae: fucking elites spamming idpol to fool the masses
Italians elect Mussolini's great grandson prime minister on promise to turn the Mediterranean into a sea of fire to stop the boats: well that's their choice and I respect it
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on July 10, 2018, 06:46:39 PM
What I want is for an actual Strasserist to join the forum and then troll Optimus for being a squish.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Broseidon on July 10, 2018, 07:39:35 PM
Optimus unconsciously being a liberal is the only upside to his ceaseless screeching about liberals :girlaff
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Corporal on July 10, 2018, 08:28:01 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on July 09, 2018, 04:30:46 PM
I mean Corbyn ain't exactly promising to push back on Brexit (or so I believe ?).
Yeah, he'd personally carry every EU diplomat off the islands on his own back if it got UK out of the EU even a femtosecond sooner. 

Only Remain aligned parties would be the LibDems I believe, and well, they're LibDems. Even without the completely fucked up FPTP election system they're struggling after bending their youth voters over the barrel during the last great coalition.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2018, 12:55:00 AM
https://www.expatica.com/fr/news/country-news/France-auction-history-crime-guillotine_1973648.html
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A 150-year-old guillotine with "a few dents on the blade" was sold in Paris on Wednesday despite protests from auction regulators.

The 10-foot (three-metre) tall instrument of execution which was used to dispatch criminals in France until 1977 was bought by a French millionaire for 8,008 euros ($9,400).

The Drouot auction house insisted that the model was built as a replica and has never been used to behead anyone, although it did once feature in a museum of torture in the French capital.

The sale of guillotines has been highly controversial in France where the death penalty was only abolished in 1981, with the French auction watchdog already objecting to the sale.

"They should not be selling this guillotine," a spokesman told the Parisien newspaper. "Objects like the clothes of people who were deported to the (Nazi death) camps and instruments of torture are sensitive."

That did not, however, stop another going for 220,000 euros in the same saleroom in 2011 when US pop star Lady Gaga was reportedly among the bidders.

Nor did the watchdog have the power to stop the auction because the guillotine -- which previously graced a Paris jazz club -- is part of a bankruptcy sale.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Optimus on July 12, 2018, 04:02:39 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 10, 2018, 12:01:21 PM
Quote from: Stro on July 09, 2018, 08:49:20 PM
Quote from: Optimus on July 09, 2018, 02:46:54 AM
lol bourgeois elitist liberals

lol brourgeois elitist liberals

lmao look at this college intellectual giant dad thinking he can wall off the developed world from third-world refugees and still smash the neo-liberal capitalist state :neogaf


Wall off = not accepting and not having the tools to accept millions upon millions of refugees in endless waves. Gotta laugh at liberal armchair analysts that completely ignore practicality and realistic standards for theory to the point of ignorance. Immigration is good therefore mass immigration that radically changes the balance of a country's society is also good and shouldn't be criticized. So if 10 million refugees arrive in Sweden tomorrow, Sweden and Swedish people should somehow deal with it. EL OH EL

This is the same moronic and catastrophic rationale that encourages the equality of outcome troglodytes. It assumes that if you support an ideology you must also uncritically support that ideology's principles taken to an absolute extreme and keep supporting them no matter the evidence that it's changing society for the worse.



Quote from: curly on July 09, 2018, 04:12:44 AM
what class do you think refugees are part of you moron

And how do you think the immigrant lower class will do with the far-right controlling Europe you fucking imbecile?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2018, 04:15:55 AM
The prospect of some people violating the rights of others is not a very good reason to preclude the recognition and protection of those rights. It effectively serves to render the enforcement of all rights equally under the law null and void. While encouraging rapid militarization for the adjudication of disputes between groups.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on July 12, 2018, 04:23:38 AM
Quote from: Optimus on July 12, 2018, 04:02:39 AM
Wall off = not accepting and not having the tools to accept millions upon millions of refugees in endless waves.

(https://www.migrationsverket.se/images/18.4cb46070161462db1131c3/1531134140413/Total_s%C3%B6k.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2018, 04:27:18 AM
MARS?!? They really are aliens!

spoiler (click to show/hide)
BOOOOOOOOOOO
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nola on July 12, 2018, 04:27:21 AM
Quote from: Optimus on July 12, 2018, 04:02:39 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 10, 2018, 12:01:21 PM
Quote from: Stro on July 09, 2018, 08:49:20 PM
Quote from: Optimus on July 09, 2018, 02:46:54 AM
lol bourgeois elitist liberals

lol brourgeois elitist liberals

lmao look at this college intellectual giant dad thinking he can wall off the developed world from third-world refugees and still smash the neo-liberal capitalist state :neogaf


Wall off = not accepting and not having the tools to accept millions upon millions of refugees in endless waves. Gotta laugh at liberal armchair analysts that completely ignore practicality and realistic standards for theory to the point of ignorance. Immigration is good therefore mass immigration that radically changes the balance of a country's society is also good and shouldn't be criticized. So if 10 million refugees arrive in Sweden tomorrow, Sweden and Swedish people should somehow deal with it. lol


Quote from: curly on July 09, 2018, 04:12:44 AM
what class do you think refugees are part of you moron

And how do you think the immigrant lower class will do with the far-right controlling Europe you fucking imbecile?

It's almost like this has been covered multiple times with your alter ego before.

But I guess it’s probably once again time to point out that for the last 10 years America has had a net negative illegal migration flow, it has actually shrunk by 2 million, that we are in a period of historic lows in terms of southern border crossings, and that the average immigrant population as a whole, over the course of two generations, have been a net benefit to the economy and government coffers/services compared to the average native born citizens (https://www.nap.edu/read/23550/chapter/1). Even if you are cherry picking from lesser credentialed research the impact on tax payers is incredibly minimal. That the wage and unemployment impact ranges from minimal to non-existent in OECD countries, recognizing the conversation is both international and domestic here. The notion that we are bursting at the seams in America, or that it will cripple the western world, and everyone is incapable of taking in people seeking asylum or a better way of life is, well, largely bullshit.

All your pretty charts for easy reference is just a click away.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://i.imgur.com/NtYyldp.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/SrrA9Eq.png?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/fpIghOH.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/l0HRqFh.jpg?1)
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on July 12, 2018, 04:29:22 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 12, 2018, 04:27:18 AM
MARS?!? They really are aliens!

spoiler (click to show/hide)
BOOOOOOOOOOO
[close]

Tasty needs to write an extension so I can rescind every like I've given to your posts.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Optimus on July 12, 2018, 04:29:54 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 12, 2018, 04:23:38 AM
Quote from: Optimus on July 12, 2018, 04:02:39 AM
Wall off = not accepting and not having the tools to accept millions upon millions of refugees in endless waves.

(https://www.migrationsverket.se/images/18.4cb46070161462db1131c3/1531134140413/Total_s%C3%B6k.png)

They were more than a million each year for 2-3 years iirc and if Europe hadn't started being tough on immigration they'd be many more, actions that I assume you disagree with therefore the "millions upon millions".
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on July 12, 2018, 04:31:32 AM
What years did Sweden take over a million refugees?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2018, 04:32:51 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 12, 2018, 04:29:22 AM
Tasty needs to write an extension so I can rescind every like I've given to your posts.
you can't rescind those likes, they're already here, they're producing anchor likes now
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Optimus on July 12, 2018, 04:33:07 AM
Quote from: Nola on July 12, 2018, 04:27:21 AM
Quote from: Optimus on July 12, 2018, 04:02:39 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 10, 2018, 12:01:21 PM
Quote from: Stro on July 09, 2018, 08:49:20 PM
Quote from: Optimus on July 09, 2018, 02:46:54 AM
lol bourgeois elitist liberals

lol brourgeois elitist liberals

lmao look at this college intellectual giant dad thinking he can wall off the developed world from third-world refugees and still smash the neo-liberal capitalist state :neogaf


Wall off = not accepting and not having the tools to accept millions upon millions of refugees in endless waves. Gotta laugh at liberal armchair analysts that completely ignore practicality and realistic standards for theory to the point of ignorance. Immigration is good therefore mass immigration that radically changes the balance of a country's society is also good and shouldn't be criticized. So if 10 million refugees arrive in Sweden tomorrow, Sweden and Swedish people should somehow deal with it. lol


Quote from: curly on July 09, 2018, 04:12:44 AM
what class do you think refugees are part of you moron

And how do you think the immigrant lower class will do with the far-right controlling Europe you fucking imbecile?

It's almost like this has been covered multiple times with your alter ego before.

But I guess it’s probably once again time to point out that for the last 10 years America has had a net negative illegal migration flow, it has actually shrunk by 2 million, that we are in a period of historic lows in terms of southern border crossings, and that the average immigrant population as a whole, over the course of two generations, have been a net benefit to the economy and government coffers/services compared to the average native born citizens (https://www.nap.edu/read/23550/chapter/1). Even if you are cherry picking from lesser credentialed research the impact on tax payers is incredibly minimal. That the wage and unemployment impact ranges from minimal to non-existent in OECD countries, recognizing the conversation is both international and domestic here. The notion that we are bursting at the seams in America, or that it will cripple the western world, and everyone is incapable of taking in people seeking asylum or a better way of life is, well, largely bullshit.

All your pretty charts for easy reference is just a click away.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://i.imgur.com/NtYyldp.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/SrrA9Eq.png?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/fpIghOH.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/l0HRqFh.jpg?1)
[close]

I'm talking about Europe's immigrant crisis, I never argued about US or Trump's tarded fear-mongering about immigrants. Go back defending SJW sociopaths celebrating TB's death.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nola on July 12, 2018, 04:33:32 AM
Here's Sweden going back to 2006, blue is immigration, black emigration:

(https://i.imgur.com/zYwi5Tu.png?1)

Not seeing 2-3 million in those numbers.You sure you aren't confusing 2-3 million a year for 2-3 million over the last 15 years or something?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nola on July 12, 2018, 04:34:57 AM
Quote from: Optimus on July 12, 2018, 04:33:07 AM
Quote from: Nola on July 12, 2018, 04:27:21 AM
Quote from: Optimus on July 12, 2018, 04:02:39 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 10, 2018, 12:01:21 PM
Quote from: Stro on July 09, 2018, 08:49:20 PM
Quote from: Optimus on July 09, 2018, 02:46:54 AM
lol bourgeois elitist liberals

lol brourgeois elitist liberals

lmao look at this college intellectual giant dad thinking he can wall off the developed world from third-world refugees and still smash the neo-liberal capitalist state :neogaf


Wall off = not accepting and not having the tools to accept millions upon millions of refugees in endless waves. Gotta laugh at liberal armchair analysts that completely ignore practicality and realistic standards for theory to the point of ignorance. Immigration is good therefore mass immigration that radically changes the balance of a country's society is also good and shouldn't be criticized. So if 10 million refugees arrive in Sweden tomorrow, Sweden and Swedish people should somehow deal with it. lol


Quote from: curly on July 09, 2018, 04:12:44 AM
what class do you think refugees are part of you moron

And how do you think the immigrant lower class will do with the far-right controlling Europe you fucking imbecile?

It's almost like this has been covered multiple times with your alter ego before.

But I guess it’s probably once again time to point out that for the last 10 years America has had a net negative illegal migration flow, it has actually shrunk by 2 million, that we are in a period of historic lows in terms of southern border crossings, and that the average immigrant population as a whole, over the course of two generations, have been a net benefit to the economy and government coffers/services compared to the average native born citizens (https://www.nap.edu/read/23550/chapter/1). Even if you are cherry picking from lesser credentialed research the impact on tax payers is incredibly minimal. That the wage and unemployment impact ranges from minimal to non-existent in OECD countries, recognizing the conversation is both international and domestic here. The notion that we are bursting at the seams in America, or that it will cripple the western world, and everyone is incapable of taking in people seeking asylum or a better way of life is, well, largely bullshit.

All your pretty charts for easy reference is just a click away.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://i.imgur.com/NtYyldp.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/SrrA9Eq.png?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/fpIghOH.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/l0HRqFh.jpg?1)
[close]

I'm talking about Europe's immigrant crisis, I never argued about US or Trump's tarded fear-mongering about immigrants. Go back defending SJW sociopaths celebrating TB's death.

Half of that research, notably with concern to wage/unemployment is OECD focused.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on July 12, 2018, 04:45:44 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 12, 2018, 04:31:32 AM
What years did Sweden take over a million refugees?

just repeating this cause it got swallowed up in some thehunter116-ass block quoting
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2018, 04:45:57 AM
Quote from: Optimus on July 12, 2018, 04:33:07 AM
Go back defending SJW sociopaths celebrating TB's death.
yo i feel left out because it was while you were away and ERA popped off into insanity but i wanted you to know that i got in on that action:
Quote from: benjipwns on July 11, 2018, 04:11:56 PM
Quote from: Optimus on July 11, 2018, 05:55:52 AM
For the record that piece of shit was celebrating TB's death along with the rest of the SJW scum.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhYXBZbUcAAdapX.jpg)



Funny how the same hypocrites that talk about against "freedom from consequences" defend scum like her that celebrate and brag about a young man dying from cancer and all this because he disagreed with them.

Want proof that gamergate is vastly morally superior compared to these subhumans? Just look at their reaction at TB's death despite the fact that a few months ago TB was shitting on them publicly. The thread about TB on KiA was full of people offering condelences, I don't think even one comment was negative and the ones that talked about TB's disagreement with GG were all pointing out that it doesn't matter and that he was still a great person.
Quote from: Optimus on July 11, 2018, 07:19:25 AM
Honestly I feel vindicated, mostly to myself. I often exaggerate against people I heavily dislike and there's always some doubt in my mind about the things I assume about them. Their absolutely disgusting response to TB's death and the silence from the rest of these scumbags for the terrible things that were said confirms even the worst suspicions I had about them. They're all human trash. They're still posting articles smearing TB btw, I just read a new one today.
:dead :dead :dead :dead

like TotalBiscuit from the Super C
cheers mate
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2018, 04:46:54 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 12, 2018, 04:45:44 AM
just repeating this cause it got swallowed up in some thehunter116-ass block quoting
noticed he's disappeared and that his avatar is now a question mark

now i'm not saying this has anything to do with that russian bot net they swept up, but i'm also not saying it doesn't have anything to do with it
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Optimus on July 12, 2018, 04:49:09 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 12, 2018, 04:45:44 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 12, 2018, 04:31:32 AM
What years did Sweden take over a million refugees?

just repeating this cause it got swallowed up in some thehunter116-ass block quoting

I'm talking about Europe.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Optimus on July 12, 2018, 04:52:06 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 12, 2018, 04:45:57 AM
Quote from: Optimus on July 12, 2018, 04:33:07 AM
Go back defending SJW sociopaths celebrating TB's death.
yo i feel left out because it was while you were away and ERA popped off into insanity but i wanted you to know that i got in on that action:
Quote from: benjipwns on July 11, 2018, 04:11:56 PM
Quote from: Optimus on July 11, 2018, 05:55:52 AM
For the record that piece of shit was celebrating TB's death along with the rest of the SJW scum.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhYXBZbUcAAdapX.jpg)



Funny how the same hypocrites that talk about against "freedom from consequences" defend scum like her that celebrate and brag about a young man dying from cancer and all this because he disagreed with them.

Want proof that gamergate is vastly morally superior compared to these subhumans? Just look at their reaction at TB's death despite the fact that a few months ago TB was shitting on them publicly. The thread about TB on KiA was full of people offering condelences, I don't think even one comment was negative and the ones that talked about TB's disagreement with GG were all pointing out that it doesn't matter and that he was still a great person.
Quote from: Optimus on July 11, 2018, 07:19:25 AM
Honestly I feel vindicated, mostly to myself. I often exaggerate against people I heavily dislike and there's always some doubt in my mind about the things I assume about them. Their absolutely disgusting response to TB's death and the silence from the rest of these scumbags for the terrible things that were said confirms even the worst suspicions I had about them. They're all human trash. They're still posting articles smearing TB btw, I just read a new one today.
:dead :dead :dead :dead

like TotalBiscuit from the Super C
cheers mate

I'm really butthurt about these sociopathic scumbags celebrating TB's death but I haven't lost my humor.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on July 12, 2018, 04:53:42 AM
Quote from: Optimus on July 12, 2018, 04:49:09 AM
I'm talking about Europe.

you weren't, but I'll let it slide

in the case of europe the total pop is well over half a billion, so "millions!" isn't freaking me out
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Optimus on July 12, 2018, 04:56:56 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 12, 2018, 04:53:42 AM
Quote from: Optimus on July 12, 2018, 04:49:09 AM
I'm talking about Europe.

you weren't, but I'll let it slide

in the case of europe the total pop is well over half a billion, so "millions!" isn't freaking me out

Dude, I was. Just in the previous page I talked about foreign born population being 1.7 million in Sweden, you think I forgot about that?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2018, 04:57:09 AM
man i can't get anyone except that Libertarian weirdo kris to pick fights with me anymore and call me a sociopath or whatever, even when i'm not even barely subtle about it, feeling like Kobe atm :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on July 12, 2018, 05:00:06 AM
I can dig up your model of a wealth tax if you want

:ufup
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Optimus on July 12, 2018, 05:00:47 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 12, 2018, 04:57:09 AM
man i can't get anyone except that Libertarian weirdo kris to pick fights with me anymore and call me a sociopath or whatever, even when i'm not even barely subtle about it, feeling like Kobe atm :fbm


Everyone loves you benji, try to accept and live with it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nola on July 12, 2018, 05:01:01 AM
Quote from: Optimus on July 12, 2018, 04:56:56 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 12, 2018, 04:53:42 AM
Quote from: Optimus on July 12, 2018, 04:49:09 AM
I'm talking about Europe.

you weren't, but I'll let it slide

in the case of europe the total pop is well over half a billion, so "millions!" isn't freaking me out

Dude, I was. Just in the previous page I talked about foreign born population being 1.7 million in Sweden, you think I forgot about that?

Which in comparison America's foreign born population is 14% of our population, Sweden's is now 17%. Only 11% of that 17% is from non-EU countries. Which just for clarity that leaves 89% of the Swedish population either born in Sweden or the EU.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2018, 05:04:04 AM
Sweden's been a net immigrator since The War because its population replacement level has long been under even and when you add in emigrants it'd be negative, it's how it's maintained and grown population. The Iraq/Syria spike is a short-term one, the other former states are what you'd expect in Finland, Poland, Yugoslavia, Germany, etc.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/Invandrare_utvandrare_Sverige_1850-2007.svg/800px-Invandrare_utvandrare_Sverige_1850-2007.svg.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2018, 05:05:53 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 12, 2018, 05:00:06 AM
I can dig up your model of a wealth tax if you want

:ufup
psch like you're going to class me as a liberal social studies warrior
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Optimus on July 12, 2018, 05:08:10 AM
Quote from: Nola on July 12, 2018, 05:01:01 AM
Quote from: Optimus on July 12, 2018, 04:56:56 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 12, 2018, 04:53:42 AM
Quote from: Optimus on July 12, 2018, 04:49:09 AM
I'm talking about Europe.

you weren't, but I'll let it slide

in the case of europe the total pop is well over half a billion, so "millions!" isn't freaking me out

Dude, I was. Just in the previous page I talked about foreign born population being 1.7 million in Sweden, you think I forgot about that?

Which in comparison America's foreign born population is 14% of our population, Sweden's is now 17%. Only 11% of that 17% is from non-EU countries. Which just for clarity that leaves 89% of the Swedish population either born in Sweden or the EU.

No fucking way only 11% of immigrants in Sweden are from non-EU countries. Unless you mean 11% of the population of Sweden is from non-EU countries which is a pretty fucking big number especially considering the humongous cultural differences.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nola on July 12, 2018, 05:08:46 AM
Yep and that is one of the ways some of that research shows how immigrants contribute positively to economic growth and entitlement solvency in places like America and numerous European countries with slowing or plateauing native birth rates.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on July 12, 2018, 05:11:29 AM
Quote from: Optimus on July 12, 2018, 05:08:10 AM
Unless you mean 11% of the population of Sweden is from non-EU countries which is a pretty fucking big number especially considering the humongous cultural differences.

especially Norway
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nola on July 12, 2018, 05:13:47 AM
Quote from: Optimus on July 12, 2018, 05:08:10 AM
Quote from: Nola on July 12, 2018, 05:01:01 AM
Quote from: Optimus on July 12, 2018, 04:56:56 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 12, 2018, 04:53:42 AM
Quote from: Optimus on July 12, 2018, 04:49:09 AM
I'm talking about Europe.

you weren't, but I'll let it slide

in the case of europe the total pop is well over half a billion, so "millions!" isn't freaking me out

Dude, I was. Just in the previous page I talked about foreign born population being 1.7 million in Sweden, you think I forgot about that?

Which in comparison America's foreign born population is 14% of our population, Sweden's is now 17%. Only 11% of that 17% is from non-EU countries. Which just for clarity that leaves 89% of the Swedish population either born in Sweden or the EU.

No fucking way only 11% of immigrants in Sweden are from non-EU countries. Unless you mean 11% of the population of Sweden is from non-EU countries which is a pretty fucking big number especially considering the humongous cultural differences.

To put it anther way, of 100 births in Sweden last year, 11 on average were from migrants from non-EU countries. 89 would on average be either from Swedish born or EU born persons.

Which is in relative line with America, and while the highest in the Nordic countries, just based on the numbers, Sweden is clearly not at risk of having their Swedish "culture" overrun as you and Assimilate are so concerned about preserving.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on July 12, 2018, 05:18:54 AM
Lumping together all non-EU immigrants into a group isn't a useful simplification. I wouldn't do that with all MENA immigrants.

Like I saw Iran was fairly high up on the list of origin countries and immediately guessed that they'd be way more educated and middle-class than the refugees from Iraq and Syria. Some quick googling, and yup, a big wave came in the late 70's and 80's after the revolution, and ethnically Persian Swedes graduate college at a higher rate than "real" Swedes.

Thai immigration to Sweden is interesting too, but I want everyone to google that for themselves.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2018, 05:19:19 AM
What's the concern about Swedish demographics changing slightly anyway again?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2018, 05:20:00 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 12, 2018, 05:18:54 AM
Thai immigration to Sweden is interesting too, but I want everyone to google that for themselves.
This sounds like that Daddy P book trap again.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on July 12, 2018, 05:31:59 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 12, 2018, 05:19:19 AM
What's the concern about Swedish demographics changing slightly anyway again?

Optimus knows that maintaining a viable leftist coalition means welcoming constituencies that have cultural grievances and concerns as well as material ones and that while you personally may not agree with their viewpoints, it is important to treat them as valid and to make the necessary policy concessions.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nola on July 12, 2018, 05:34:57 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 12, 2018, 05:18:54 AM
Lumping together all non-EU immigrants into a group isn't a useful simplification. I wouldn't do that with all MENA immigrants.

Like I saw Iran was fairly high up on the list of origin countries and immediately guessed that they'd be way more educated and middle-class than the refugees from Iraq and Syria. Some quick googling, and yup, a big wave came in the late 70's and 80's after the revolution, and ethnically Persian Swedes graduate college at a higher rate than "real" Swedes.

Thai immigration to Sweden is interesting too, but I want everyone to google that for themselves.

Fair and good point. I'm kind of exploring as I go fact checking Optimus with most of this.

I'm guessing crime will be on the horizon and that is interesting. Since in most countries, most refugees/poorer/uneducated immigrants do commit crimes at higher rates...But so to is it the case that native born people impoverished and uneducated to a similar degree commit crimes at similar rates. That disparity seems to even out, and has for Sweden, in second and third generations.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on July 12, 2018, 02:26:31 PM
They say he has a 'bad' back but he's obviously drunk af.

https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1017453353767505920 (https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1017453353767505920)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Optimus on July 12, 2018, 02:54:15 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 12, 2018, 05:31:59 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 12, 2018, 05:19:19 AM
What's the concern about Swedish demographics changing slightly anyway again?

Optimus knows that maintaining a viable leftist coalition means welcoming constituencies that have cultural grievances and concerns as well as material ones and that while you personally may not agree with their viewpoints, it is important to treat them as valid and to make the necessary policy concessions.


Optimus knows that maintaining a viable leftist coalition means not putting your head in the sand when your citizens suddenly have concerns and not blindly following your principles even to the extreme of them no matter the conditions and how much they worsen society. Funny how you ignored my other post saying exactly that. So tell me Mandark , oh great and sensible representative of leftist politics, if 10 million immigrants arrived in Sweden in a year would it still be "racist" to complain about excessive mass immigration? lol at these fucking idiots and racists complaining that 10 million immigrants would completely change their society, amirite?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2018, 03:03:10 PM
"Unfortunately, human nature resists change and it goes over backward to avoid radical change." - Ronaldus Magnus Reagan
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on July 12, 2018, 03:06:11 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 12, 2018, 04:57:09 AM
man i can't get anyone except that Libertarian weirdo kris to pick fights with me anymore and call me a sociopath or whatever, even when i'm not even barely subtle about it, feeling like Kobe atm :fbm
wait, when have I ever picked a fight with you ever
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Kara on July 12, 2018, 03:08:45 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 12, 2018, 04:57:09 AM
man i can't get anyone except that Libertarian weirdo kris to pick fights with me anymore and call me a sociopath or whatever, even when i'm not even barely subtle about it, feeling like Kobe atm :fbm

You can't even take that personally, either.

At least not until he's had to escape from a Libertarian Party meeting by innocently asking if we should fund the night watchman with sales taxes or land taxes.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2018, 03:12:25 PM
Quote from: kris on July 12, 2018, 03:06:11 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 12, 2018, 04:57:09 AM
man i can't get anyone except that Libertarian weirdo kris to pick fights with me anymore and call me a sociopath or whatever, even when i'm not even barely subtle about it, feeling like Kobe atm :fbm
wait, when have I ever picked a fight with you ever
calling me out huh? typical, so much for the NAP
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on July 12, 2018, 03:13:55 PM
I think you misunderstand. I'm not a Libertarian, just a registered member of the Libertarian party. Thus I don't believe in NAP, but SIESTA (Should It Ever Say "Tax", Agree)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2018, 03:25:30 PM
Quote from: kris on July 12, 2018, 03:13:55 PM
I'm not a Libertarian, just a registered member of the Libertarian party. Thus I don't believe in NAP, but SIESTA (Should It Ever Say "Tax", Agree)
All Libertarians are members of the Libertarian Party. Not all libertarians are Libertarians.

This is just another example of the dangers of mass immigration.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on July 12, 2018, 03:27:57 PM
Actually, borders are unethical and I have the right to freely associate with the party irrespective of my ideological purity.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on July 12, 2018, 03:28:40 PM
Am I the first LINO or was that Bill Weld
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2018, 03:32:01 PM
Quote from: kris on July 12, 2018, 03:28:40 PM
Am I the first LINO or was that Bill Weld
It was whoever was member #2.

Or maybe #2 figured out that it was #1 all along.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on July 12, 2018, 07:48:56 PM
Quote from: Optimus on July 12, 2018, 02:54:15 PM
Optimus knows that maintaining a viable leftist coalition means not putting your head in the sand when your citizens suddenly have concerns and not blindly following your principles even to the extreme of them no matter the conditions and how much they worsen society. Funny how you ignored my other post saying exactly that. So tell me Mandark , oh great and sensible representative of leftist politics, if 10 million immigrants arrived in Sweden in a year would it still be "racist" to complain about excessive mass immigration? lol at these fucking idiots and racists complaining that 10 million immigrants would completely change their society, amirite?

10 million immigrants didn't arrive in Sweden in a year, and they won't arrive in some future year. "What if The Camp of the Saints was real life?" is no more edifying than all those ticking time bomb scenarios used to justify the CIA's torture program. Generally, if you have to resort to that kind of goofy hypothetical, it's not a great sign.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Optimus on July 12, 2018, 08:48:45 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 12, 2018, 07:48:56 PM
Quote from: Optimus on July 12, 2018, 02:54:15 PM
Optimus knows that maintaining a viable leftist coalition means not putting your head in the sand when your citizens suddenly have concerns and not blindly following your principles even to the extreme of them no matter the conditions and how much they worsen society. Funny how you ignored my other post saying exactly that. So tell me Mandark , oh great and sensible representative of leftist politics, if 10 million immigrants arrived in Sweden in a year would it still be "racist" to complain about excessive mass immigration? lol at these fucking idiots and racists complaining that 10 million immigrants would completely change their society, amirite?

10 million immigrants didn't arrive in Sweden in a year, and they won't arrive in some future year. "What if The Camp of the Saints was real life?" is no more edifying than all those ticking time bomb scenarios used to justify the CIA's torture program. Generally, if you have to resort to that kind of goofy hypothetical, it's not a great sign.


No, it's "only" at least one tenth of the country's entire population that has vastly different culture and believes in most shitty religion in the world in country that is very progressive, or at least it used to be, and where the majority of the population is either atheist or barely religious. Are you for or against Europe's anti-immigration policies without which Sweden and other countries would continue being flooded with immigrants? And if you're against it at what point would you become a racist too and argue against more mass immigration?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on July 12, 2018, 09:01:10 PM
Quote from: Optimus on July 12, 2018, 08:48:45 PM
Europe's anti-immigration policies without which Sweden and other countries would continue being flooded with immigrants?

could you elaborate?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2018, 09:08:12 PM
Against. Never. I don't see why Sweden's current demographics are inherently necessary to be preserved forever especially as to justify restricting human rights.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on July 12, 2018, 09:16:08 PM
Striking how many people discuss immigration in a way that treats the welfare of the migrants as secondary or irrelevant.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Broseidon on July 12, 2018, 09:18:54 PM
We must secure the culture and lifestyles of Europeans from the inveterate foreign hordes.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on July 12, 2018, 09:28:46 PM
My favorite commentary on this topic is actually when Benji hilariously noted that under the most extreme scenario, Arabs would make up about 11% of Europe by like 2050, which would *almost* be the same as the proportion of Americans that are black. :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2018, 09:44:28 PM
the uncomfortable praise made me look it up, it's not even Arabs, just Muslims: http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=41489.msg2347755#msg2347755
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Broseidon on July 12, 2018, 10:02:48 PM
Interesting how things went from "Progressive immigration policies are backfiring on progressives and the backlash is fuelling the rise of reactionary, xenophobic parties [and this is framed as a bad thing]" to "Eurabia Soon!"  :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Optimus on July 12, 2018, 10:08:17 PM
Quote from: Broseidon on July 12, 2018, 10:02:48 PM
Interesting how things went from "Progressive immigration policies are backfiring on progressives and the backlash is fuelling the rise of reactionary, xenophobic parties [and this is framed as a bad thing]" to "Eurabia Soon!"  :thinking


:thinking :thinking :thinking Wow, very interesting! Where did this happen? :thinking :thinking :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Kara on July 12, 2018, 11:26:45 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 12, 2018, 09:16:08 PM
Striking how many people discuss immigration in a way that treats the welfare of the migrants as secondary or irrelevant.

Or the things that make them migrate.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on July 13, 2018, 12:06:16 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 12, 2018, 09:44:28 PM
the uncomfortable praise made me look it up, it's not even Arabs, just Muslims: http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=41489.msg2347755#msg2347755
wow, I didn't even like your post  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on July 13, 2018, 01:12:39 AM
wow trump really fucked over theresa may
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on July 13, 2018, 02:20:57 AM
Quote from: kris on July 12, 2018, 09:28:46 PM
My favorite commentary on this topic is actually when Benji hilariously noted that under the most extreme scenario, Arabs would make up about 11% of Europe by like 2050, which would *almost* be the same as the proportion of Americans that are black. :lol

Polls regularly show that many European citizens severely overestimate (when asked to guess) the % of minorities (or the weight of recent immigration) in the population of their own country sometimes by a factor of 2 (France) or 3 (Italy).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on July 13, 2018, 03:41:48 AM
Americans do the same with percentage of pop that's black, latino, etc

more proof Yurop is racist, they're as bad as Amerikkka
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 13, 2018, 03:42:23 AM
Optimus, I'm not sure I understand what exactly your concern is about Sweden's status regarding immigration (and why Sweden in particular?) that it will be overnight turned into an Islamic despotism? That immigrants of all types are diluting the national Swedish character/culture? That purebred Swedes have a superior claim on the means of production owned collectively by Sweden?

A sudden doubling of the population, even if they were all Swedes would cause systemic problems as well, and it's just as unrealistic as the country being swarmed with foreigners even with relaxed immigration restrictions.

You claim to be of the left but in this case you seem to want to establish rigidly enforced international hierarchies, in many cases constructed entirely on ethnic lines. I'm not attempting to call you a racist or anything here, but from the argument you've made thus far these are really the only stipulations you have actually presented. Surely, you must see why the cowardly social studies warriors like curly and Mandark would foolishly think they finally have the smoking gun of racism to tar your intellectual forays with.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 13, 2018, 03:46:01 AM
Quote from: curly on July 13, 2018, 03:41:48 AM
Americans do the same with percentage of pop that's black
the main thing is that people often forget to only count 60% of them
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Optimus on July 13, 2018, 05:37:06 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 13, 2018, 03:42:23 AM
Optimus, I'm not sure I understand what exactly your concern is about Sweden's status regarding immigration (and why Sweden in particular?) that it will be overnight turned into an Islamic despotism? That immigrants of all types are diluting the national Swedish character/culture? That purebred Swedes have a superior claim on the means of production owned collectively by Sweden?

A sudden doubling of the population, even if they were all Swedes would cause systemic problems as well, and it's just as unrealistic as the country being swarmed with foreigners even with relaxed immigration restrictions.

You claim to be of the left but in this case you seem to want to establish rigidly enforced international hierarchies, in many cases constructed entirely on ethnic lines. I'm not attempting to call you a racist or anything here, but from the argument you've made thus far these are really the only stipulations you have actually presented. Surely, you must see why the cowardly social studies warriors like curly and Mandark would foolishly think they finally have the smoking gun of racism to tar your intellectual forays with.


I don't give a flying fuck about Swedish culture but I do care about culture, freedom from superstition, equality, citizens rights, protection from authoritarianism and so on. I'm a big picture guy and I don't believe in rigid principles especially when they interfere with it. Given all that my take on Sweden and Europe is this:

Sweden and Scandinavian countries used to be a social democratic oasis a couple of decades ago that were quickly rejecting religion and while I don't deny that there are racists in Sweden I can't blame many Swedish people if they're not ecstatic when suddenly ~1/10 of the population of their country is mostly consisted of ultra religious uneducated people that don't believe in gay rights, abortion and other basic human rights. The polls in UK for example are very fucking scary about muslim populations. Meanwhile, the leftist parties within a decade quickly turned from Social Democratic in Sweden to the classic identity politics parties that mostly ignore economic issues and let Sweden drift towards full on capitalism while their idpol morons smear anyone voicing concerns about immigrants and other issues. Frustration against EU that is an undemocratic shithole promoting neoliberalism and is completely disconnected from the average European is also growing Europe-wide while the so called left is stubbornly defending it often rejecting all criticism as nationalism.

That so called left in Sweden and other countries therefore left no choice to many people, and when people are left cornered with no good options in sight they're becoming very dangerous, dangerous enough to turn to the far right. Do I feel empathy for the millions of displaced people from wars started by politicians fucking hypocrites like Mandark voted for? I sure fucking do. But I also think the big picture is that no one will benefit from bringing millions of immigrants in Europe (other than the rich fucks of course that want cheap slaves and pushed for immigration). Not the immigrants themselves because the far-right is quickly descending on Europe, not European societies that not only are shitty at integrating populations but with mass immigration they're practically unable to do it resulting in huge immigrant ghettos that will always be a source of conflict and a perfect opportunity for the far-right, not for the Left that is quickly losing ground everywhere, not for fucking anyone.

The solution of paying off billions to muslim nations like turkey to keep the immigrants seems much more sensible to me. Immigrants will be integrated much easier in these nations and the only continent on the planet that isn't a complete capitalist shithole might not turn into a far right hell. Austria just voted for 12 hour work days with the help of the far-right btw, great huh?

Now I'm sure some fucking idiot will skim this post and take a particular part of it out of context ignoring the rest of it which is why I don't put too much effort into my posts.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: team filler on July 13, 2018, 05:45:17 AM
 :clap :clap :clap
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on July 13, 2018, 05:54:23 AM
So the concern is specifically that Muslim populations in Sweden and elsewhere will gain political power and roll back gay rights and access to abortion?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Optimus on July 13, 2018, 06:11:23 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 13, 2018, 05:54:23 AM
So the concern is specifically that Muslim populations in Sweden and elsewhere will gain political power and roll back gay rights and access to abortion?


Yes, that's the only concern. Because suddenly living in the same neighborhood or even city with a bunch ultra religious uneducated people that hate gays, think your daughter is a whore because of the way she dresses, have utter contempt for women, equality, citizen's rights and so on sure wouldn't rub people the wrong way. It is only racism and your strawman that could piss people off enough to vote for the far-right (which is actually my primary concern right now, not that religiontards aren't one, they always are) especially when the so called left is consisted of fucking geniuses like you that quickly jump to ridicule and vilify people's concerns about the issue.

OK my question now. Who did you vote for oh grand protector of these immigrants the last two elections? Immigrants whose entire lives were ruined by Obama's and Clinton's wars?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on July 13, 2018, 06:18:36 AM
Quote from: Optimus on July 13, 2018, 06:11:23 AM
Yes, that's the only concern. Because suddenly living in the same neighborhood or even city with a bunch ultra religious uneducated people that hate gays, think your daughter is a whore because of the way she dresses, have utter contempt for women, equality, citizen's rights and so on sure wouldn't rub people the wrong way

What sort of policies do you think would be best to prevent this from happening? Caps or bans on Muslim immigrants generally, an individualized screening process, or something else?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Optimus on July 13, 2018, 06:27:36 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 13, 2018, 06:18:36 AM
Quote from: Optimus on July 13, 2018, 06:11:23 AM
Yes, that's the only concern. Because suddenly living in the same neighborhood or even city with a bunch ultra religious uneducated people that hate gays, think your daughter is a whore because of the way she dresses, have utter contempt for women, equality, citizen's rights and so on sure wouldn't rub people the wrong way

What sort of policies do you think would be best to prevent this from happening? Caps or bans on Muslim immigrants generally, an individualized screening process, or something else?


I already explained that paying billions for other Muslim nations to keep and care for these immigrants is the best possible solution right now while at the same time refusing to receive more immigrants. It's a shitty situation with no possible good solution. It would also be great if neoliberal banker scum of the earth like Macron didn't try to convince Trump to continue with the war in Syria that is actively funding and arming Islamic terrorists while keeping the country destabilized.

But the best possible solution imo would be if we went back in time and protectively locked in prison Bush, Rumsfeld, Obama, Clinton and the rest of the neocon scum for crimes against humanity so none of this happened.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: warcock on July 13, 2018, 06:32:37 AM
Not taking sides on this I will say this though american liberals have very little exposure to old world muzzis. Alot of americans muzzis are by in large pretty moderate. Not a fan, prefer to bat for the little boi molesters. While I know this will do nothing to shake the largesse of your ethical foundations, take a second and observe how christians are treated in most of the middle east. Hint: it aint all about just economics.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on July 13, 2018, 06:35:13 AM
Quote from: Optimus on July 13, 2018, 06:27:36 AM
It's a shitty situation with no possible good solution.

I mean in general, beyond the recent crisis.

If the culture of these people is so corrosive that it is harmful to the residents of developed countries, to the point that the government should be protecting its citizens from that harm, what are appropriate measures to take?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 13, 2018, 06:51:23 AM
Quote from: warcock on July 13, 2018, 06:32:37 AM
Not taking sides on this I will say this though american liberals have very little exposure to old world muzzis. Alot of americans muzzis are by in large pretty moderate. Not a fan, prefer to bat for the little boi molesters. While I know this will do nothing to shake the largesse of your ethical foundations, take a second and observe how christians are treated in most of the middle east. Hint: it aint all about just economics.
The implication of course being that we should lower our standards to be nearer those deplorable savages.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 13, 2018, 07:11:49 AM
Quote from: Optimus on July 13, 2018, 05:37:06 AM
Not the immigrants themselves because the far-right is quickly descending on Europe, not European societies that not only are shitty at integrating populations but with mass immigration they're practically unable to do it resulting in huge immigrant ghettos that will always be a source of conflict and a perfect opportunity for the far-right, not for the Left that is quickly losing ground everywhere, not for fucking anyone.

The solution of paying off billions to muslim nations like turkey to keep the immigrants seems much more sensible to me. Immigrants will be integrated much easier in these nations and the only continent on the planet that isn't a complete capitalist shithole might not turn into a far right hell. Austria just voted for 12 hour work days with the help of the far-right btw, great huh?
Quote from: Optimus on July 13, 2018, 06:11:23 AM
It is only racism and your strawman that could piss people off enough to vote for the far-right (which is actually my primary concern right now
Quote from: Optimus on July 13, 2018, 06:27:36 AM
I already explained that paying billions for other Muslim nations to keep and care for these immigrants is the best possible solution right now
I trimmed your posts to the bare points and hopefully did not take them out of context in the process, I apologize if I did.

So if I am understanding you correctly, the problem to be concerned about is the Yuropean Right increasing their power by exploiting fear of these future religious (predominately Muslim) threats.

The Yuropean Right being a political grouping which is generally nationalist, anti-free trade, anti-immigration/foreigners, anti-IDPOL/PC, pro-welfare state (but only for the civilized classes/cultures) and has been almost universally anti-Muslim to where they often wind up dead. And then there's their EU views....

So your solution is to essentially implement their agenda including a full stop of all immigration, increase taxes more on the workers in order to send untold billions in bribe money to authoritarian models of inequality to help them run militarized police states with the duty of imposing a lock on the free movement of what will likely be minority groups in conditions that will be easily compared to ghettos and probably ferment endless sources of conflict. As evidenced by, well, every location that looks like this in the Middle East or Africa, which is where we'll be "storing" these inconvenient people.

In other words, we have to implement their agenda PLUS in order to ward off the potential of their winning elections and enacting their agenda.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Optimus on July 13, 2018, 07:38:52 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 13, 2018, 07:11:49 AM
So if I am understanding you correctly, the problem to be concerned about is the Yuropean Right increasing their power by exploiting fear of these future religious (predominately Muslim) threats.

The Yuropean Right being a political grouping which is generally nationalist, anti-free trade, anti-immigration/foreigners, anti-IDPOL/PC, pro-welfare state (but only for the civilized classes/cultures) and has been almost universally anti-Muslim to where they often wind up dead. And then there's their EU views....

So your solution is to essentially implement their agenda including a full stop of all immigration, increase taxes more on the workers in order to send untold billions in bribe money to authoritarian models of inequality to
help them run militarized police states with the duty of imposing a lock on the free movement of what will likely be minority groups in conditions that will be easily compared to ghettos and probably ferment endless sources of conflict. As evidenced by, well, every location that looks like this in the Middle East or Africa, which is where we'll be "storing" these inconvenient people.

In other words, we have to implement their agenda PLUS in order to ward off the potential of their winning elections and enacting their agenda.


Stopping mass immigration isn't nationalist, it's a solution that makes sense right now as I thoroughly explained in my post. Anti-"""""free""""" trade is actually a leftist principle because the trade is only "free" for corporations that use it to exploit the poor of underdeveloped nations and screw the lower and middle class of developed ones while it also gives an incentive to keep counties poor and dependent on their slave labor. There's a difference between free trade and capitalist so called free trade. Anti-PC is the only rational choice for intelligent people that don't depend on censorship to sweep the ugliness of society under the rag (or, you know, humor and many other wonderful things that come with not walking on eggshells), it's not a left versus right issue not matter how much SJWs want to make it so, it's a rational vs moron issue. But the worst part of your post is this one:

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pro-welfare state (but only for the civilized classes/cultures)

No fucking way dude. The far-right don't give a shit about welfare, you must have missed the part of my post talking about Austria. The far-right are opportunistic scum that pretend to support these issues and then screw local and immigrant populations alike. There would be no significant welfare in a far-right Europe.

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increase taxes more on the workers in order to send untold billions in bribe money to authoritarian models of inequality to
help them run militarized police states with the duty of imposing a lock on the free movement of what will likely be minority groups in conditions that will be easily compared to ghettos and probably ferment endless sources of conflict.

As opposed to increasing taxes more on the workers in order to support the welfare system that is crumbling under pressure of uncontrolled immigration while the countries are slowly turning into far-right authoritarian shitholes that will eventually impose a lock on free movement? The ghettos that are sources of conflict have already been mentioned... So your solution is to destroy Europe too for the principle of it or something. Or are you that unrealistic hoping that the far-right trend will magically stop especially if you allow more mass immigration?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: warcock on July 13, 2018, 07:58:09 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 13, 2018, 06:51:23 AM
Quote from: warcock on July 13, 2018, 06:32:37 AM
Not taking sides on this I will say this though american liberals have very little exposure to old world muzzis. Alot of americans muzzis are by in large pretty moderate. Not a fan, prefer to bat for the little boi molesters. While I know this will do nothing to shake the largesse of your ethical foundations, take a second and observe how christians are treated in most of the middle east. Hint: it aint all about just economics.
The implication of course being that we should lower our standards to be nearer those deplorable savages.

Maybe not but just be cognizant that there may some relevance to some of the reticence or reservations that some more moderate people display( as oppossed to the bigots). Dont base your laws on said fears but realize there is some risk with going the highway and it may result in some backlash. It is not immediately obvious to me that libtards and libetaritards demonstrate any type of acknowledgement for the risks involved.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 13, 2018, 08:16:25 AM
Quote from: Optimus on July 13, 2018, 07:38:52 AM
Stopping mass immigration isn't nationalist
Stopping all immigration as part of an isolationist method to preserve the purity of the Nation would be strange if it didn't take nationalism into account.

Quote from: Optimus on July 13, 2018, 07:38:52 AM
But the worst part of your post is this one:

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pro-welfare state (but only for the civilized classes/cultures)

No fucking way dude. The far-right don't give a shit about welfare, you must have missed the part of my post talking about Austria. The far-right are opportunistic scum that pretend to support these issues and then screw local and immigrant populations alike. There would be no significant welfare in a far-right Europe.
The nationalist Yuropean Right generally maintains its ideological ties with fascism, all the major parties of that tendency are on board with the welfare state just as the original fascists were. The welfare state just isn't open to those not of the Nation. This is one of the fundamentals of fascism and its roots in the concepts of late 19th century nationalism.

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As opposed to increasing taxes more on the workers in order to support the welfare system that is crumbling under pressure of uncontrolled immigration
As there is nowhere in the West without extensive restrictions on the right of free movement there are no examples of welfare systems crumbling under the pressure of uncontrolled immigration to point to.

Welfare systems are facing basic demographics, and demographics based almost entirely on the "native" populations, if anything they often rely on immigrants to maintain the population rates as shown in the Sweden example earlier.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: kingv on July 13, 2018, 08:36:14 AM
God not only is trump a fascist he’s a shitty fascist. Doesn’t even support the welfare state :-(

I think them old school Muslim beliefs would only have a half life of 3 instagram thots in the US of A.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Optimus on July 13, 2018, 09:08:43 AM
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Stopping all immigration as part of an isolationist method to preserve the purity of the Nation would be strange if it didn't take nationalism into account.


Except that no one made that argument and that you're purposely taking solutions based on logic instead of principle to an extreme to smear anyone making them.


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The nationalist Yuropean Right generally maintains its ideological ties with fascism, all the major parties of that tendency are on board with the welfare state just as the original fascists were. The welfare state just isn't open to those not of the Nation. This is one of the fundamentals of fascism and its roots in the concepts of late 19th century nationalism.

Just like all ideologies that are basically morally and ideologically bankrupt they morph to whatever serves their and the interests of the politicians supporting them better. It's the same reason for example libertarianism and neoliberalism always morph into full on corporatism also known as inverted totalitarianism.  The far-right in Europe despite what they say have similar lack of morality and awareness and just like they did in Austria they will quickly morph into that with the only difference being that they would be extremely socially backwards.

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As there is nowhere in the West without extensive restrictions on the right of free movement there are no examples of welfare systems crumbling under the pressure of uncontrolled immigration to point to.

Welfare systems are facing basic demographics, and demographics based almost entirely on the "native" populations, if anything they often rely on immigrants to maintain the population rates as shown in the Sweden example earlier.

That happens when there's controlled immigration not when there's mass immigration rapidly changing these demographics without any preparation.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 13, 2018, 09:50:31 AM
Quote from: Optimus on July 13, 2018, 09:08:43 AM
Except that no one made that argument and that you're purposely taking solutions based on logic instead of principle to an extreme to smear anyone making them.
You did:
Quote from: Optimus on July 13, 2018, 05:37:06 AM
suddenly ~1/10 of the population of their country is mostly consisted of ultra religious uneducated people
...
The solution of paying off billions to muslim nations like turkey to keep the immigrants seems much more sensible to me. Immigrants will be integrated much easier in these nations
Quote from: Optimus on July 13, 2018, 06:27:36 AM
I already explained that paying billions for other Muslim nations to keep and care for these immigrants is the the best possible solution right now while at the same time refusing to receive more immigrants.
Nationalism is not inherently a smear, I would think someone opposed to globalists and internationalists and immigration would be most aware that they are prioritizing the nation's interests.

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It's the same reason for example libertarianism and neoliberalism always morph into full on corporatism also known as inverted totalitarianism.
This is certainly a theory.

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That happens when there's controlled immigration not when there's mass immigration rapidly changing these demographics without any preparation.
Controlled immigration is what is occurring, there is no uncontrolled "mass immigration" rapidly changing demographics in the West. Old white people are still going to be the hinge on which the welfare states turn.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Optimus on July 13, 2018, 10:16:11 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 13, 2018, 09:50:31 AM
Quote from: Optimus on July 13, 2018, 09:08:43 AM
Except that no one made that argument and that you're purposely taking solutions based on logic instead of principle to an extreme to smear anyone making them.
You did:
Quote from: Optimus on July 13, 2018, 05:37:06 AM
suddenly ~1/10 of the population of their country is mostly consisted of ultra religious uneducated people
...
The solution of paying off billions to muslim nations like turkey to keep the immigrants seems much more sensible to me. Immigrants will be integrated much easier in these nations
Quote from: Optimus on July 13, 2018, 06:27:36 AM
I already explained that paying billions for other Muslim nations to keep and care for these immigrants is the the best possible solution right now while at the same time refusing to receive more immigrants.
Nationalism is not inherently a smear, I would think someone opposed to globalists and internationalists and immigration would be most aware that they are prioritizing the nation's interests.

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It's the same reason for example libertarianism and neoliberalism always morph into full on corporatism also known as inverted totalitarianism.
This is certainly a theory.

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That happens when there's controlled immigration not when there's mass immigration rapidly changing these demographics without any preparation.
Controlled immigration is what is occurring, there is no uncontrolled "mass immigration" rapidly changing demographics in the West. Old white people are still going to be the hinge on which the welfare states turn.

So what I said is nationalist because my educated guess is that Muslim population will be integrated much better in... Muslim countries and that it's a lose lose situation if they keep coming to Europe?

 You keep avoiding to address the far right problem or legitimate concerns socially progressive Europeans that don't dogmatically believe that even unchecked immigration is good immigration have about ultra religious uneducated populations that has been proven not to integrate well in European societies.

So, what is YOUR solution to the far right problem that keeps growing in Europe given that you're against limits in immigration? Given that Europe has the most educated populations on the planet and they're still turning to the far right in their desperation as a response to mass immigration of Muslim populations and EU, please offer your solution. What is YOUR solution to integrate ultra religious populations that show contempt for European values, have formed ghettos in many Europeans countries and often don't even learn the language? Instead of burying your head in the sand and hping that everything wil eventually work out if you believe in your principles hard enough please offer actual practical solutions.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Kara on July 13, 2018, 10:20:13 AM
Quote from: warcock on July 13, 2018, 06:32:37 AM
Not taking sides on this I will say this though american liberals have very little exposure to old world muzzis. Alot of americans muzzis are by in large pretty moderate.

If you told me several of the friends I made in my major were arrested fighting in the Syrian Civil War I wouldn't be surprised.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on July 13, 2018, 10:24:09 AM
Over 80% of Syrian refugees are already in Muslim-majority countries, IIRC. Turkey alone (which has a different ethnic identity and language from Syria) has something like three times the total refugees of the EU combined.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Corporal on July 13, 2018, 10:29:32 AM
I think we could get rid of many if not most problems within a few generations if the West started to push its own brand of the Muslim faith. Bashful as ever, we could call it "enlightened" or "modern" Islam or something, tastefully "infused" with our obviously superior values.
Then kick out and replace all the radical nutter Imams that rile up and hold back the muslims in the West with brainwashed proper Imams. Preferrably white ones, obviously. Show them that we're one of them and stuff. All hip and such. Maybe stone a few women on the side if that helps. And then, a few decades later, we could start exporting that faith back to the Middle East to pacify the region and bring them towelheaded sand nuggets out of the stone age.

Maybe blitzkrieg Saudi Arabia while we're at it. They're one of the major sources of radical islamism I'm told. As a bonus, we could also anschluss Turkey and Israel while we're on the way down. The Turks because Erdogan but mostly cuz they have just an outright ridiculous amount of influence on German/European Turks and Muslims via their state-sponsored mosques and Imams. Israel, well, why not. It's become kind of a habit. And old habits die hard. Just like the Nazi sympathizers in German government institutions.

Note to self: Send more money to Putin. Trump needs to be kept on a tight leash for this to succeed.


No but seriously, I kinda yearn for the (easily romanticized) days when Muslims and Europeans lived in some sort of uneasy and fragile not-really-peace (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age). We got paper, science, the zero, medicinal knowledge, philosophy and loads of other useful crap out of it. Plus, some really nice mosques and stuff e.g. in Spain. (Coincidentally.... (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_of_Jewish_culture_in_Spain)) Fucken Mongols had to fuck it up for everyone, though.

Even in war, we still got coffee and culture. The lesser Germans in and around Vienna (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viennese_coffee_house) wouldn't be half as entertaining if it weren't for their various "Middle Eastern imports".


Anyway, bring it on. If it means that I will wake up to a random guy yelling gibberish from a tower instead of cockadoodledoos or church bells in the future, then so be it. I dun care either way, awake is awake. If our culture is so weak that it irrepairably succumbs to a dilution to a generous nine in ten, then it should have crashed and burned a long time ago. Sure, there will be heinous crimes and terrible pain and agony along the way as our ways of life clash, but nothing is ever gained for free.

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Also, TMI time! I have a slight fetish for mixed bloods.
:phil C'mon immigrants, regardless from where you are, integrate and breed for my viewing pleasure in twenty years or so.
:phil Hurry up before my time runs out and breed, preferrably with the local populace.
:phil I want to hear those delicious accents and ogle familiar-yet-exotic curves.
:phil Homegrown stuff is so boring in comparison...
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on July 13, 2018, 03:22:19 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 13, 2018, 10:24:09 AM
Over 80% of Syrian refugees are already in Muslim-majority countries, IIRC. Turkey alone (which has a different ethnic identity and language from Syria) has something like three times the total refugees of the EU combined.

There are roughly 1.5 million Syrian refugees in Lebanon, a country of 6 million. That's way bigger demographic change than any place in Europe is experiencing in a country that's poorer and much more unstable than the Euro destinations of immigration. But they're (barely more than half) Muslim and brown, should work out fine right?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on July 13, 2018, 03:52:32 PM
That's not a demographic change because they're all mooselums
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Corporal on July 13, 2018, 04:03:08 PM
Quote from: Exodust on July 13, 2018, 03:08:36 PM
^Not sure if this post is satire or not but my head hurts.
It's not exceedingly obvious? ...was it the lack of Nazi UFOs? I knew I should've added some.

:'(

Well, there was an attempt.

I guess.

Don't mind me.


I'll just be sitting

over there

where I belong
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on July 13, 2018, 04:03:36 PM
Germans  :yuck
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: agrajag on July 13, 2018, 04:04:53 PM
Quote from: kris on July 13, 2018, 03:52:32 PM
That's not a demographic change because they're all mooselums

muslins
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: BisMarckie on July 13, 2018, 04:09:24 PM
Quote from: kris on July 13, 2018, 04:03:36 PM
Germans  :yuck

(https://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/German_a74255_5498370.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: BisMarckie on July 13, 2018, 04:12:08 PM
Quote from: kris on July 13, 2018, 04:03:36 PM
Germans  :yuck

(http://s.quickmeme.com/img/11/11a5ff1a0a34507f986b558cdd63032c67084bc1c498a260b64c5c3bf5ffbcbc.jpg)


Couldn't decide which one to post....
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on July 13, 2018, 04:16:14 PM
White people are disgusting looking, I think a demographic change would vastly improve the sexual appeal of most Europeans.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Corporal on July 13, 2018, 04:19:33 PM
Quote from: kris on July 13, 2018, 04:03:36 PM
Germans  :yuck
       :bolo
Don't make me yodel at you.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: BisMarckie on July 13, 2018, 04:20:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cgrEA6eQ_g
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on July 13, 2018, 04:26:28 PM
Quote from: kris on July 13, 2018, 04:16:14 PM
White people are disgusting looking, I think a demographic change would vastly improve the sexual appeal of most Europeans.

when yurop becomes eurabia :lawd
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: agrajag on July 13, 2018, 04:29:56 PM
Persian women are pretty hot
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on July 13, 2018, 04:34:16 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 13, 2018, 10:24:09 AM
Over 80% of Syrian refugees are already in Muslim-majority countries, IIRC. Turkey alone (which has a different ethnic identity and language from Syria) has something like three times the total refugees of the EU combined.

Lebanon hosts millions (though it's less "Muslim majority than most other countries in the region).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Kara on July 13, 2018, 04:43:16 PM
Lebanon treats Palestinian refugees pretty bad, hard not to see the same thing happening to Syrians if the government doesn't win the civil war.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nola on July 13, 2018, 04:58:11 PM
Why is Optimus assuming that all these refugees are somehow better off integrating into neighboring Muslim countries than Europe? There are a ton of regimes that have no interest in treating these refugees with any sense of decency or respect. It seems to get to this ignorant western notion that all Muslims are the same, and that other issues that we always acknowledge in any other context somehow don't exist in the Middle East.

Not to mention, and I pointed it out the other day, lots of data shows the opposite of what Optimus has tried to assert that muslims are not integrating.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on July 13, 2018, 05:04:53 PM
because optimus is very stupid
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nola on July 13, 2018, 05:08:07 PM
fair answer
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 13, 2018, 05:48:50 PM
https://twitter.com/VibeTickets/status/1017737138987782144
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on July 13, 2018, 06:01:30 PM
Quote from: Kara on July 13, 2018, 04:43:16 PM
Lebanon treats Palestinian refugees pretty bad, hard not to see the same thing happening to Syrians if the government doesn't win the civil war.

Yeah I guess but the effort expected from Lebanon is insane, hosting 1m+ refugees in a country where the population is estimated at 6m, who went through a civil war not unlike the war in Syria not too long ago and in a perpetual state of destabilization through foreign influence.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on July 13, 2018, 06:52:49 PM
Hey we haven't heard from Iraq for a while, I wonder what's going on... oh
https://twitter.com/L0gg0l/status/1017904040057954304 (https://twitter.com/L0gg0l/status/1017904040057954304)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on July 13, 2018, 10:54:15 PM
Quote from: curly on July 13, 2018, 03:22:19 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 13, 2018, 10:24:09 AM
Over 80% of Syrian refugees are already in Muslim-majority countries, IIRC. Turkey alone (which has a different ethnic identity and language from Syria) has something like three times the total refugees of the EU combined.

There are roughly 1.5 million Syrian refugees in Lebanon, a country of 6 million. That's way bigger demographic change than any place in Europe is experiencing in a country that's poorer and much more unstable than the Euro destinations of immigration. But they're (barely more than half) Muslim and brown, should work out fine right?

The obvious country that should be taking on way more refugees than it has is the United States, by any reasonable way of figuring these things.

Of course Syrians are now explicitly banned for what John Roberts assures me are super legit reasons.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: warcock on July 13, 2018, 11:30:32 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on July 13, 2018, 06:01:30 PM
Quote from: Kara on July 13, 2018, 04:43:16 PM
Lebanon treats Palestinian refugees pretty bad, hard not to see the same thing happening to Syrians if the government doesn't win the civil war.

Yeah I guess but the effort expected from Lebanon is insane, hosting 1m+ refugees in a country where the population is estimated at 6m, who went through a civil war not unlike the war in Syria not too long ago and in a perpetual state of destabilization through foreign influence.

The palestinian refugees were a catalyst of that civil war as well. Like someone else alluded the syrian refugees are not wanted in the neighbooring countries. If you want to use the palestinian exodus as a case study, lebanon being the worst case and jordan being probably the best. It does not beam one with optimism. Rofl pan arabism died with Nasser s failed war.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on July 14, 2018, 12:10:35 AM
The idea that Arabs* are fungible and you can just shift them from one territory to another without problems is something you hear a lot from person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation hawks. "There's no such thing as a Palestinian" etc.

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*And of course, as it relates to this discussion, Turks ain't Arabs.
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on July 14, 2018, 12:14:53 AM
Defeatism over the ability of Arabs to someday achieve Arab unity is what allows them to continue being manipulated by capricious foreign powers
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on July 14, 2018, 08:41:00 AM
When it comes to war refugees it's much better to help close to where they live than to move them over.
- The most healthy/rich manage to get out to save havens, the weak and poor remain which results in a brain drain after the conflict is over
- Creating economic incentives and better living conditions in the region is far less expensive and much more valuable on the long term
- Most of the refugees would rather stay home or return home if they had the chance (in fact a significant portion of Syrians did so)
- You don't introduce new political struggles and tensions in other countries
- The refugees don't have to go on a dangerous sometimes lethal trip

Inequality between Africa and Europe is not solved by moving over millions of people from one continent to another and was never part of the solidarity deal with Syrian war victims.
Many people are actually in favor of taking in war refugees (same as we did for the Balkans and the Iraq conflict) but they don't want to take in millions of economic migrants at the same time.

And honestly, the NGO's, UN think tanks and progressives never ever bother to criticize the governments that fail to provide for their citizens to a level that they volunteer to live in tents along the border.

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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on July 14, 2018, 09:39:38 AM
Yeah, you never hear NGO's criticize... the Syrian government.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2018, 03:52:26 PM
Quote from: Optimus on July 13, 2018, 10:16:11 AM
my educated guess is that Muslim population will be integrated much better in... Muslim countries
People have mentioned this but I want to make it rather more explicit. I would recommend a glance at Wikipedia for both the history of Islam, and the history of the Middle East, for a primer on how well Muslims, and even just Arabs, have treated each other since...well, at least since God visited Muhammed and he "united" the Arab tribes. (Hint: it was pretty temporary and rather unofficial.)

If this is too much and a place like Lebanon seems boring, perhaps something about Iraq just during the periods under and post-Saddam? (Afghanistan might be a better example, except no Arabs.)

You might also want to consider whether the person who should have followed Muhammed as the Caliph should have been Ali.

As for Turkey, their secular authoritarian regime of Turks (and Kurds), which is 2/3'rds Sunni and already hosts the largest refugee population in the world may not be the best place to temporarily-permanently store more Muslims (and/or Arabs) even if they're also Sunni. Although they have recently let up quite a bit on that ferociously secular state thing that Ataturk wanted to better mistreat minorities.

Though thinking about Afghanistan again...maybe we should just dump all the world's refugees in the unpopulated areas there. If they're fans of an arid climate with no water, Iran next door has some really great vacant real estate with no population. Do they like months of unceasing wind (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_of_120_days) too?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Kara on July 14, 2018, 04:56:40 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on July 13, 2018, 06:01:30 PM
Yeah I guess but the effort expected from Lebanon is insane, hosting 1m+ refugees in a country where the population is estimated at 6m, who went through a civil war not unlike the war in Syria not too long ago and in a perpetual state of destabilization through foreign influence.

I don't begrudge them too much for it; everyone treats Palestinians abominably.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: warcock on July 14, 2018, 05:23:43 PM
Quote from: kris on July 13, 2018, 04:16:14 PM
White people are disgusting looking, I think a demographic change would vastly improve the sexual appeal of most Europeans.

You want the whole of europe to look like spain?   8) 8)

Isco is so hot, no homo.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2018, 06:35:57 PM
Look, Christians are all one single-minded entity, so it only makes sense that Muslims are too.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on July 14, 2018, 06:45:32 PM
 :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge
https://twitter.com/soutuna/status/1018254986315169792 (https://twitter.com/soutuna/status/1018254986315169792)

https://twitter.com/SaqrMaghrebi/status/1018215177437745152 (https://twitter.com/SaqrMaghrebi/status/1018215177437745152)

The Iranian backed regime in Iraq is completely falling apart.


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: warcock on July 14, 2018, 06:50:53 PM
Quote from: Nintex on July 14, 2018, 06:45:32 PM
:drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge
https://twitter.com/soutuna/status/1018254986315169792 (https://twitter.com/soutuna/status/1018254986315169792)

https://twitter.com/SaqrMaghrebi/status/1018215177437745152 (https://twitter.com/SaqrMaghrebi/status/1018215177437745152)

The Iranian backed regime in Iraq is completely falling apart.

Nintex get an internship at fox news. I guarentee you will make multiple times whatever salary ur getting in dumpster netherlands.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on July 15, 2018, 02:48:41 PM
Quote from: warcock on July 14, 2018, 06:50:53 PM
Quote from: Nintex on July 14, 2018, 06:45:32 PM
:drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge
https://twitter.com/soutuna/status/1018254986315169792 (https://twitter.com/soutuna/status/1018254986315169792)

https://twitter.com/SaqrMaghrebi/status/1018215177437745152 (https://twitter.com/SaqrMaghrebi/status/1018215177437745152)

The Iranian backed regime in Iraq is completely falling apart.

Nintex get an internship at fox news. I guarentee you will make multiple times whatever salary ur getting in dumpster netherlands.
Maybe I can just do it from here. Fox News reporter from Europe holding the tide against the EU fake news.  :smug
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Corporal on July 17, 2018, 08:59:20 AM
PLANWIRTSCHAFT 2.0
 (https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/07/17/europes_exascale_supercomputer_chips/)
Man, EU just going derp and deciding that we need European-made Exascale computers is hilarious. Now I've been outside of any deeper techy stuff for a decade or two, but I'd still grant myself "interested noob" status. To me, the timetable looks completely unachievable. Hilariously so. That's centrally planned economy levels of lunacy.

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Best of all Brexit happened, causing the Brits to sell off ARM for a pittance. It's just so fitting. We had something at least vaguely in the general sector with a thriving and wildly successful surrounding market, but stood at the sidelines and watched idly as everything got sold off.
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I am a proponent of the EU by all means, maybe even unreasonably so, but sometimes I just wanna bang my head against the wall at their shenanigans. They slept on that side of technology for easily two decades, if not far longer, and only NOW realize that they're completely outmatched and utterly dependent on outside actors.
We have zero supporting industry and thus also zero market and infrastructure for these kinds of things. It's lunacy to just decree "a great leap forward" from the top down and expect anything but a massive waste of money. These things need to grow from the ground up and take decades to mature. On top of serious, concentrated commitments. You don't just vaguely barf out some sort of fantasy plan and throw a few cents at it in the hope that something will happen. This is "within a decade an American will walk on the Moon" levels of challenge. No wait, an entirely Europe-made mid-range PC would be that. Domestic exascale computing is another several orders of magnitude beyond that.

Plus, this will go directly in the face of two established and powerful competitors and at least one vastly more powerful upcoming one. I'm suuuure they will just stand idly by.

#RagingTuesday  :maf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nabbis on July 17, 2018, 11:58:46 AM
The amount of tax money wasted on this Drumf-Bootin business...  :'(

Im sure Finland now matters on the international stage as a first rate player.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on July 17, 2018, 01:35:14 PM
The first thing the EU has done this year that is not completely useless.

They've made a trade deal with Nintendoland Japan

https://twitter.com/Trade_EU/status/1019223112435621888 (https://twitter.com/Trade_EU/status/1019223112435621888)

Credit were credit is due.

Useful / Useless score is at 1 - 459394304 for this year now.

Congrats Brussels!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 03:05:11 PM
"The ball is now in your court"

(https://i.imgur.com/g3zt3gz.jpg)

The signal is lit!

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on July 17, 2018, 03:07:57 PM
hungryboob!!! We were all very worried about you, glad to see you're ok, for some definition of ok.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 03:09:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XsxuEyfZn8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XsxuEyfZn8)

Im fine, are you?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Broseidon on July 17, 2018, 03:11:47 PM
get help dude
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on July 17, 2018, 03:14:44 PM
Quote from: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 03:05:11 PM
"The ball is now in your court"

(https://i.imgur.com/g3zt3gz.jpg)

The signal is lit!
:ohhh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 03:16:41 PM
What is Plato's cave?

Plato has Socrates describe a group of people who have lived chained to the wall of a cave all of their lives, facing a blank wall. The people watch shadows projected on the wall from objects passing in front of a fire behind them, and give names to these shadows. The shadows are the prisoners' reality. Socrates explains how the philosopher is like a prisoner who is freed from the cave and comes to understand that the shadows on the wall are not reality at all, for he can perceive the true form of reality rather than the manufactured reality that is the shadows seen by the prisoners. The inmates of this place do not even desire to leave their prison, for they know no better life

"Get help dude"

This is tantamount to emotional manipulation, not for me but for everyone else reading, like you have ANY authority to analyse me to suggest I need it. Do you even know how you actually operate as a person?

Here is my analysis that argues Rod Rosenstein (and in turn Mueller) arent working on the russian investigation but against the Cabal. https://pastebin.com/dyZH2EXa

Are you still chained to the teet of the opinions of others?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on July 17, 2018, 03:19:49 PM
Quote from: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 03:16:41 PM
This is tantamount to emotional manipulation, not for me but for everyone else reading, like you have ANY authority to analyse me to suggest I need it. Do you even know how you actually operate as a person?
C'mon man, he's looking out for your well-being precisely because you post agitated stuff like this.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 03:20:33 PM
Not addressing my points = intentional emotional manipulation.

You want to help me? Disprove me.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Brehvolution on July 17, 2018, 03:26:25 PM
What's to prove?

Q/alex jones/next conservative dipshit says something is gonna happen.

Nothing happens

Move on to the next bullshit

repeat
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Broseidon on July 17, 2018, 03:27:22 PM
your prodromal, schizophasic word-salad is no more raising points than Time Cube was. See a medical professional. Please.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 03:32:12 PM
Quote from: Brehvolution on July 17, 2018, 03:26:25 PM
What's to prove?

Q/alex jones/next conservative dipshit says something is gonna happen.

Nothing happens

Move on to the next bullshit

repeat

Q and alex jones are NOT synonymous. Alex Jones tried to discredit Q as Alex Jones is controlled opposition designed to make truth seekers look crazy.  The trailer though is a truth hidden in plain sight.

Q has overcome every obstacle and continues to grow as much as MSM tries to say otherwise. A lot has happened, you have just been distracted.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on July 17, 2018, 03:34:55 PM
Quote from: Brehvolution on July 17, 2018, 03:26:25 PM
What's to prove?

Q/alex jones/next conservative dipshit says something is gonna happen.

Nothing happens

Move on to the next bullshit

repeat
Jones said Hollywood was a lair of pedophile vampires.

He wasn't necessarily wrong.   :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 03:38:56 PM
Quote from: Nintex on July 17, 2018, 03:34:55 PM
Quote from: Brehvolution on July 17, 2018, 03:26:25 PM
What's to prove?

Q/alex jones/next conservative dipshit says something is gonna happen.

Nothing happens

Move on to the next bullshit

repeat
Jones said Hollywood was a lair of pedophile vampires.

He wasn't necessarily wrong.   :doge

Gatekeeper, just a taste.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: agrajag on July 17, 2018, 03:40:48 PM
Novid was better than this trash.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on July 17, 2018, 03:42:37 PM
Quote from: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 03:38:56 PM
Quote from: Nintex on July 17, 2018, 03:34:55 PM
Quote from: Brehvolution on July 17, 2018, 03:26:25 PM
What's to prove?

Q/alex jones/next conservative dipshit says something is gonna happen.

Nothing happens

Move on to the next bullshit

repeat
Jones said Hollywood was a lair of pedophile vampires.

He wasn't necessarily wrong.   :doge

Gatekeeper, just a taste.
Another sign:
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1019295805398757376 (https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1019295805398757376)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 03:51:40 PM
Are you ready?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: FStop7 on July 17, 2018, 03:53:07 PM
free Creepy Stalker
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 17, 2018, 05:06:31 PM
Make another thread for this garbage if you wanna talk about it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 05:14:56 PM
Garbage?

How much are you willing to wager? It is coming whether you want it to or not, I am here to mentally prepare you, the truth will not be easy to accept.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 17, 2018, 05:26:22 PM
Quote from: Broseidon on July 17, 2018, 03:27:22 PM
your prodromal, schizophasic word-salad is no more raising points than Time Cube was. See a medical professional. Please.
i hope the mods don't allow this intolerant attack on the reality of the 4 Corner Simultaneous 4-Day Time Cube to go un-actioned, and quite frankly it should be a protected class like YUM! Brands and Bob Avakian

  1 Educated Are Most Dumb.
  Not 1 Human Except Dead 1.
  Man Is Paired,  2 Half 4 Self.
  1 of God Is Only 1/4 Of God.                         
   Bible A Lie & Word Is Lies.
   Navel Connects 4 Corner 4s.
  God Is Born Of A Mother –
   She Left Belly B. Signature.
Every Priest Has Ma Sign
  But Lies To Honor Queers.
Belly B. Proves 4 Corners.

Your dirty lying teachers
use only the midnight to
midnight 1 day (ignoring
3 other days) Time to not
foul (already wrong) bible
   time. Lie that corrupts earth
you educated stupid fools.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on July 17, 2018, 05:27:00 PM
Jordan Peterson stans man
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 17, 2018, 05:35:13 PM
Quote from: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 05:14:56 PM
Garbage?

How much are you willing to wager? It is coming whether you want it to or not, I am here to mentally prepare you, the truth will not be easy to accept.

When Obama/Hillary/Nancy Pelosi are executed live on Fox News and Trump sets himself up as President for life, I'll let you post about QAnon in the regular politics threads. Until then, you can make your own thread to post that stuff in.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 05:36:44 PM
Take what you need from Peterson, but where we're going transcends all your arguments. Capitalism v socialism. Feminism, gender, racial economic, the LOT.

God is real. But religion has failed god, corrupted, just another diversion from that which is TRUTH. What is THE truth?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 17, 2018, 05:38:52 PM
there you go, start the "hungrynoob TRUTH Thread" and we can get down to talking about the demons
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: agrajag on July 17, 2018, 05:40:23 PM
Serious question, are you bipolar?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 17, 2018, 05:44:58 PM
kinda

edit: oh you mean...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: agrajag on July 17, 2018, 05:52:56 PM
I was asking hungryboob, I already know you're crazies than a guano bat!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 17, 2018, 05:54:44 PM
aren't all bats guano bats? :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: agrajag on July 17, 2018, 05:58:08 PM
Bat guano then
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 06:01:15 PM
For someone to be bipolar, they must swing into a depression yes?
Depression has been obfuscated with lies as well to contain your thinking.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on July 17, 2018, 06:02:33 PM
Quote from: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 03:32:12 PM
Quote from: Brehvolution on July 17, 2018, 03:26:25 PM
What's to prove?

Q/alex jones/next conservative dipshit says something is gonna happen.

Nothing happens

Move on to the next bullshit

repeat
Alex Jones is controlled opposition designed to make truth seekers look crazy.


well i'll say you're doing a hell of a job rehabbing their image here dawg
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: agrajag on July 17, 2018, 06:03:15 PM
Quote from: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 06:01:15 PM
For someone to be bipolar, they must swing into a depression yes?
Depression has been obfuscated with lies as well to contain your thinking.

My theory is that you disappear during your depressive periods and come back with your nonsense during your manic periods.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: agrajag on July 17, 2018, 06:04:26 PM
Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on July 17, 2018, 06:02:33 PM
Quote from: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 03:32:12 PM
Quote from: Brehvolution on July 17, 2018, 03:26:25 PM
What's to prove?

Q/alex jones/next conservative dipshit says something is gonna happen.

Nothing happens

Move on to the next bullshit

repeat
Alex Jones is controlled opposition designed to make truth seekers look crazy.


well i'll say you're doing a hell of a job rehabbing their image here dawg

Righr, Alex Jones is very lucid in comparison to this looney tune over here.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 06:06:30 PM
There is one major difference, Alex Jones is paid to keep the gears turning. I'm telling you, public disclosure is coming.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 06:07:21 PM
Quote from: agrajag on July 17, 2018, 06:03:15 PM
Quote from: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 06:01:15 PM
For someone to be bipolar, they must swing into a depression yes?
Depression has been obfuscated with lies as well to contain your thinking.

My theory is that you disappear during your depressive periods and come back with your nonsense during your manic periods.

Answer me this. What is the cure for depression?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: agrajag on July 17, 2018, 06:09:34 PM
Answer my question first.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 06:12:06 PM
I do not have bipolar.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Broseidon on July 17, 2018, 06:19:40 PM
hungrynoob can you clarify what this big thing is that everything is supposedly moving towards?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 06:24:04 PM
Deconstruction of the global centralised banking system, owned by the rothschilds. The kennedys were part of the elite family structure, why do you think they knew so much and JFK and his son were both killed?
That is only one part, but people must be able to conceptualise first that almost all institutions around the world are criminal in nature and are lying via half truths.

I will ask again, why did Teresa May mention heading towards a gold standard in her chequers speech?
You can all attack and name call all you want, I love you all, I'm just preparing you for what's to come.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 17, 2018, 06:31:24 PM
preparing us in a strategy game sense or
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on July 17, 2018, 06:33:59 PM
Quote from: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 06:24:04 PM
Deconstruction of the global centralised banking system, owned by the rothschilds. The kennedys were part of the elite family structure, why do you think they knew so much and JFK and his son were both killed?
That is only one part, but people must be able to conceptualise first that almost all institutions around the world are criminal in nature and are lying via half truths.

I will ask again, why did Teresa May mention heading towards a gold standard in her chequers speech?
You can all attack and name call all you want, I love you all, I'm just preparing you for what's to come.
I keep an open mind about those theories but if the cabal intervened to stop JFK and his son. How come they didn't manage to stop Trump.
What gives Trump the edge over the 'deep state'?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 17, 2018, 06:36:24 PM
made you a thread bud so you can put all the truth there instead of dividing it and filling up this thread or whatever: http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=45708.0

i'm lookin out ;)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 06:40:13 PM
For deception to exist, by nature, truth must also exist. The have been slowly, generation after generation, implementing the society they want. It cannot be done overnight, otherwise, people would revolt. But if they slowly change the mindsets of the young, then they can reach a point where they can flip the switch. 2018 was to be that year. Beforehand, that means they could also lie about so much, whilst maintaining a certain level of truth.
They never thought for a second that Hilary would lose, Soros owns 90% of voting machines, the game was rigged. But only to a certain point, otherwise people would notice, the votes for trump in the 2016 election far surpassed the limits of the rigged election.
Now trump has the military, and its intelligence, the NSA and most of the worlds nukes under his control with cooperation from Russia. The deeosrate lost all its key assets in that election. They are on the back foot.

Why did trump walk in front of the queen? To show YOU who is in control.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: agrajag on July 17, 2018, 06:46:00 PM
He really showed Putin who's the boss also
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 06:47:28 PM
Putin did say, "the ball is in your court". He also sold out Hilary's involvement in Russia, and told you that Trump will defeat Hilary in the courts.

So I'm not sure what your sarcasm is referencing
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on July 17, 2018, 06:52:21 PM
Quote from: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 06:40:13 PM
For deception to exist, by nature, truth must also exist. The have been slowly, generation after generation, implementing the society they want. It cannot be done overnight, otherwise, people would revolt. But if they slowly change the mindsets of the young, then they can reach a point where they can flip the switch. 2018 was to be that year. Beforehand, that means they could also lie about so much, whilst maintaining a certain level of truth.
They never thought for a second that Hilary would lose, Soros owns 90% of voting machines, the game was rigged. But only to a certain point, otherwise people would notice, the votes for trump in the 2016 election far surpassed the limits of the rigged election.
Now trump has the military, and its intelligence, the NSA and most of the worlds nukes under his control with cooperation from Russia. The deeosrate lost all its key assets in that election. They are on the back foot.

Why did trump walk in front of the queen? To show YOU who is in control.
But Trump is still such an easy target. He doesn't really care about security measures and wanders outside to talk to Fox News at random. If you want to get to him, all you need to do is call Jared and tell him you're from Zimbabwe and want to meet.
Not to mention the man is fat and tall. So you could easily pick him off from a long range. Next to that his schedule is very predictable. Monday - thursday at the White House, weekends at the Mar-a-lago. If you 'lost' him somehow, just check his tweets for his current location and/or whereabouts. "LANDING IN MICHIGAN IN ONE HOUR, VERY EXITED!"

You can't tell me that Soros owns all US voting machines but can't organize a hit on Trump. Especially when pretty much all the ex-spooks hate his guts.

It was fun to watch Putin visibly trash Hillary Clinton. I had never seen him so happy. Although at some point it looked like he was going to eat the US press for dinner.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: agrajag on July 17, 2018, 06:54:24 PM
basically:

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/118/853/501.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 06:57:33 PM
Quote from: Nintex on July 17, 2018, 06:52:21 PM
Quote from: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 06:40:13 PM
For deception to exist, by nature, truth must also exist. The have been slowly, generation after generation, implementing the society they want. It cannot be done overnight, otherwise, people would revolt. But if they slowly change the mindsets of the young, then they can reach a point where they can flip the switch. 2018 was to be that year. Beforehand, that means they could also lie about so much, whilst maintaining a certain level of truth.
They never thought for a second that Hilary would lose, Soros owns 90% of voting machines, the game was rigged. But only to a certain point, otherwise people would notice, the votes for trump in the 2016 election far surpassed the limits of the rigged election.
Now trump has the military, and its intelligence, the NSA and most of the worlds nukes under his control with cooperation from Russia. The deeosrate lost all its key assets in that election. They are on the back foot.

Why did trump walk in front of the queen? To show YOU who is in control.
But Trump is still such an easy target. He doesn't really care about security measures and wanders outside to talk to Fox News at random. If you want to get to him, all you need to do is call Jared and tell him you're from Zimbabwe and want to meet.
Not to mention the man is fat and tall. So you could easily pick him off from a long range. Next to that his schedule is very predictable. Monday - thursday at the White House, weekends at the Mar-a-lago. If you 'lost' him somehow, just check his tweets for his current location and/or whereabouts. "LANDING IN MICHIGAN IN ONE HOUR, VERY EXITED!"

You can't tell me that Soros owns all US voting machines but can't organize a hit on Trump. Especially when pretty much all the ex-spooks hate his guts.

It was fun to watch Putin visibly trash Hillary Clinton. I had never seen him so happy. Although at some point it looked like he was going to eat the US press for dinner.

Your perception is clouding your judgement. What you see on tv isn't the be all and end all. Trump was recently in Scotland and his location had a 5 mile radius exclusion zone causing major disruptions
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on July 17, 2018, 06:58:44 PM
Quote
deconstruction
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 07:01:24 PM
Quote from: Shostakovich on July 17, 2018, 06:58:44 PM
Quote
deconstruction
I don't think that word means what you think it means.

I think you understand, that's enough.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on July 17, 2018, 07:01:59 PM
 :dead
newsfeed
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 07:05:26 PM
Are you trying to compare the use of a world to the legitimacy of a news organisation?

Lmao
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Kara on July 17, 2018, 07:07:14 PM
Quote from: agrajag on July 17, 2018, 06:54:24 PM
basically:

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/118/853/501.jpg)

That's not a shop of Sanguinius and Rogal Dorn. :goty
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on July 17, 2018, 07:07:57 PM
Quote from: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 07:05:26 PM
Are you trying to compare the use of a world to the legitimacy of a news organisation?

Lmao

you don't understand what "newsfeed" means on The Bore, do you?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 07:11:39 PM
Apparently not.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on July 17, 2018, 07:14:53 PM
Where it says "News:" at the top of the page, with a quote underneath it, that's the newsfeed. Almost all of the "news" in the feed are quotes from posts on the forum, so when someone quotes a line and says "newsfeed" they're informally nominating a quote to be added to the rotation.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Atramental on July 17, 2018, 07:20:54 PM
Conspiracy theorists like hungerynoob make me chuckle when they state that one group or person is behind the levers of power and have godlike control over almost everything.

But really there’s only one overarching force that controls everything. Chaos.

https://youtu.be/Vmn9asN-8AE

:cody
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on July 17, 2018, 07:22:15 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 17, 2018, 07:14:53 PM
Where it says "News:" at the top of the page, with a quote underneath it, that's the newsfeed. Almost all of the "news" in the feed are quotes from posts on the forum, so when someone quotes a line and says "newsfeed" they're informally nominating a quote to be added to the rotation.
it's a formal nomination and likes are the votes
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 17, 2018, 07:26:24 PM
But just like Who's Line is it Anyway and also America, the votes don't matter.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on July 17, 2018, 07:27:10 PM
George Soros owns 90% of the likes.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 07:27:43 PM
Quote from: Atramental on July 17, 2018, 07:20:54 PM
Conspiracy theorists like hungerynoob make me chuckle when they state that one group or person is behind the levers of power and have godlike control over almost everything.

But really there’s only one overarching force that controls everything. Chaos.

https://youtu.be/Vmn9asN-8AE

:cody

You spend your time trying to get rich from crypto, based on what?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Atramental on July 17, 2018, 07:31:39 PM
Faith that I’ll get lucky and make some extra dosh.

But I don’t really actively trade anymore. I’m just sitting on my alt coins until fall or winter then I’m cashing out most of it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 07:34:36 PM
Seems like faith others are correct is a pretty consistent underlying theme here.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: deepest throat on July 18, 2018, 02:50:23 AM
qanon would be funny if it wasnt inevitably gonna end up in some chud shooting up a childcare centre thinking its a dem sex trafficking front
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on July 18, 2018, 03:13:13 AM
Quote from: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 07:34:36 PM
Seems like faith others are correct is a pretty consistent underlying theme here.

indeed. like, say, somebody having faith in some rando on 4chan who has always been wrong about everything, for example
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: hungrynoob on July 18, 2018, 11:56:20 AM
Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on July 18, 2018, 03:13:13 AM
Quote from: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 07:34:36 PM
Seems like faith others are correct is a pretty consistent underlying theme here.

indeed. like, say, somebody having faith in some rando on 4chan who has always been wrong about everything, for example

Q encourages independent research,
You paraphrase "im right, you are wrong. BELIEVE ME"

I know which side I prefer, because I looked for myself.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: HardcoreRetro on July 18, 2018, 12:04:06 PM
When is Q's self-help book getting released?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: hungrynoob on July 18, 2018, 12:09:46 PM
Quote from: HardcoreRetro on July 18, 2018, 12:04:06 PM
When is Q's self-help book getting released?

 :lol I dont even know where to start on that.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Yeti on July 18, 2018, 04:15:44 PM
Quote from: hungrynoob on July 18, 2018, 11:56:20 AM
Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on July 18, 2018, 03:13:13 AM
Quote from: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 07:34:36 PM
Seems like faith others are correct is a pretty consistent underlying theme here.

indeed. like, say, somebody having faith in some rando on 4chan who has always been wrong about everything, for example

Q encourages independent research,
You paraphrase "im right, you are wrong. BELIEVE ME"

I know which side I prefer, because I looked for myself.

How can I do independent research when I don't even understand what I'm supposed to be researching?   ???
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on July 18, 2018, 04:21:33 PM
In other international politics news. Our very own minister of foreign affairs Stef Blok was caught on tape but not with pee pee.
He admits he went "Too far" and "regrets" making the comments below.

Quote
"On Xenophobia I'm very pragmatic. Give me one example of a multi-cultural multi-ethnic society where the original inhabitants still live.
Scrap Australia and the US where the natives were massacred. Give me one example because I don't know any."
*someone does some suggestions* 
Quote
"Surinam? I admire your optimism but Surinam is a failed state"

Quote
"I understand where those living in the cities and suburbs are coming from. When you live in the country side it's nice to got to a Turkish bakery because you don't have to deal with the 'side effects'."

Quote
"Singapore is indeed very small and very selective when it comes to migration. It's very hard to get in. They don't let in poor migrants, well except for cleaning maybe."

Quote
"I don't think you can force European countries to take in migrants. The Eastern Europeans will never agree and even when you twist their arms it won't work out. Walk on the street in Warsaw and Prague and you will find no colored people. For them living there would be hell, they'd be gone within weeks and beaten up in the streets."

Quote
"I honestly can't tell the difference between Hutsi's or Tutsi's or Sunni or Shia. But they can. Probably somewhere in our genes we wish to form a group with our village or hunting packs. We're unable to bond with unfamiliar people unless we're very wealthy and we don't care."

(https://images3.persgroep.net/rcs/TK4ME9G7DGbmMURWXpFqcExJZ3c/diocontent/71501493/_crop/0/0/1684/952/_fitwidth/581?appId=e9b4e2a1869038ffcaf318a6d1463b0b&quality=0.8)
This boring bureaucrat is secretly Trump, Jordan Peterson and Nigel Farrage rolled into one.

Someone give this man a medal.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on July 18, 2018, 04:25:08 PM
that's baseline racism for the dutch
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: HardcoreRetro on July 18, 2018, 04:42:43 PM
I hope the guy still does his muppet voice when talking about imaginary other people.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nola on July 18, 2018, 04:56:11 PM
Quote from: hungrynoob on July 18, 2018, 11:56:20 AM
Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on July 18, 2018, 03:13:13 AM
Quote from: hungrynoob on July 17, 2018, 07:34:36 PM
Seems like faith others are correct is a pretty consistent underlying theme here.

indeed. like, say, somebody having faith in some rando on 4chan who has always been wrong about everything, for example

Q encourages independent research,
You paraphrase "im right, you are wrong. BELIEVE ME"

I know which side I prefer, because I looked for myself.

My independent research has led me to believe Qanon is a bunch of conspiratorial bullshit that is just dragging people around by the nose who have poor critical thinking skills and an overabundance of motivated reasoning.

Go figure   :idont

spoiler (click to show/hide)
One of my favorite Qanon inferences was a board favorite conspiracy by the now digitally deceased etiolate. Except in the Qanon version, not only was Seth Rich the secret leaker of the DNC documents to Wikileaks(something Mueller roundly destroyed the credibility of last week) but his death was the result of Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Donna Brazille hiring an El Salvadorian hit squad of MS-13 assassins to take him out. Because apparently the DNC couldn't successfully firewall their networks, couldn't manage to get away with giving Hillary a debate question, and generally sucked at being even a slightly incompetent political organization, but they have the political assassination game on total lock..And the only foil to their plot was underestimating the sleuthing of 4chan posters.
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: hungrynoob on July 18, 2018, 11:57:19 PM
Im sure it was extensive, dont worry I dont plan telling people anything.

There is already a system in place.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on July 19, 2018, 07:53:28 AM
Oh Macron...

On the 1st of May, some militants captured on video what appeared to be police brutality in Paris during a clash with the CRS (anti riot police) including punching a man in the neck. You can see the video below, the offender is the man appearing at the beginning and end, wearing what looks like a CRS helmet but no armor or uniform. It was assumed it was maybe a member of the BAC (plainclothes officers in charge of first response in delinquency) but if so would probably have had the mandatory orange arm band identifying him as a policeman.

https://youtu.be/J22m3Y2xd9I

It turns out, as discovered just now, he's not at all a policeman but Alexandre Benalla, a member of Macron's team (formerly in charge of "security questions", apparently has done a lot of similar duties at the Socialist Party, driving candidates, party own security detail in meetings) currently appointed at the French presidential palace l'Elysée (as a deputy to the cabinet director) and had of course no delegation whatsoever to enforce the State monopoly on violence.

No reaction from Macron yet, but the man has been punished with a final warning before termination and put on leave without pay... for two weeks. Supposedly demoted to "security questions" again since, he was inside the coach transporting the football team down the Champs Élysées :lol
:neogaf

It's slowly coming out that his attitude raised eyebrows in Macron's party, he allegedly tried to order rubber ball launchers and riot shields during the campaign in 2017 but was denied by the direction. Looks like the sort of dude getting a hard on playing commando and punching students.

A preliminary investigation has been opened by common justice authorities following the media coverage though.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on July 19, 2018, 03:00:20 PM
So the wannabe champion of liberal democracy has a deputy that likes playing cop dress-up and beating protesters? Am I getting that right?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Broseidon on July 19, 2018, 04:30:48 PM
https://twitter.com/SulomeAnderson/status/1020028657153257472
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on July 19, 2018, 05:32:00 PM
Quote from: curly on July 19, 2018, 03:00:20 PM
So the wannabe champion of liberal democracy has a deputy that likes playing cop dress-up and beating protesters? Am I getting that right?

Yes.
Though to be fair the guy was basically a security guard / bodyguard / driver before that, and in the reserve of the gendarmerie. He was a mainstay at the Socialist Party since 2011 (he was 20) and the head of internal security there apparently thought the guy was doing his job well enough though there's of course a couple of times he went rough. He was also fired after only a week of being Arnaud Montebourg (a prominent Socialist) driver, the former minister claiming he got caught in an accident and that he wanted to flee the scene... His deputy position was more of a reward for his involvement in Macron's campaign, I guess.

All in all it's way more anedoctal than Mitterrand using his cadre of elite gendarmes to set up illegal wiretapping from the Elysée or some of the paramilitary shit going on around De Gaulle party's security but yeah THE OPTICS© of just docking two weeks pay are terrible. Any normal citizen impersonating a cop (not to say anything of the use of violence) would get the book thrown at them.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on July 19, 2018, 05:56:37 PM
Good to see Israel really leaning into Herrenvolk democracy
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on July 19, 2018, 06:03:41 PM
Apparently Putin offered Trump a solution on Ukraine (a referendum in the occupied areas) and Trump is considering it.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-19/putin-said-to-have-made-trump-a-new-offer-on-ukraine-at-summit (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-19/putin-said-to-have-made-trump-a-new-offer-on-ukraine-at-summit)

Germany better start preparing those 4 planes that still fly.
 :marimo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 20, 2018, 03:58:06 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/07/19/an-austrian-state-wants-to-force-kosher-meat-consuming-jews-to-register-drawing-nazi-comparisons/
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Jewish organizations criticized the far-right Freedom Party of Austria (FPÖ), the ruling coalition party in the state of Lower Austria, over pursuing a proposal that would require Jews to register with the government if they seek to purchase kosher meat. The same rules would apply to Muslims….Jews and Muslims would still be allowed to purchase kosher and halal food, but only if they can prove that they live in Lower Austria and are observant members of their religious communities. Sales would be restricted to a certain amount of meat per week. Effectively, this means that restaurants would no longer be able to offer halal or kosher options, either.

A spokeswoman for the Islamic Religious Community in Austria (IGGÖ), an organization that defends the religious interests of Austrian Muslims, shared the criticism from Jewish associations this week, saying that it was bringing back “memories of one of the darkest chapters in recent history.” The proposal, she told Austrian media outlets, “was in reality meant against us, given that the FPÖ has long stirred tensions against Muslims and divided the country.”
:rollsafe
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on July 20, 2018, 05:58:17 AM
"Major cyberattack hits Singapore government health database, steals info of 1.5 million including PM" breaking at Reuters...

Ghost in the Shell dystopian future here we come :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on July 20, 2018, 07:13:22 AM
Macron's rent-a-cop deputy is now in custody. He apparently got heated up against a gendarmerie commander at the airport then with a police commissioner at the Crillon hotel last Monday when on security detail for the French football team. The Ministry of Interior denied him a gun license in 2017 and 2016, despite repeated demands (including straight to the ministre). Apparently the feedback from SDLP officers (the "real" bodyguarding police force) familiar with Macron's campaign was to dub the guy a Rambo wannabe...

He also was awarded on July a duty related lodging on Quai Branly (so basically at the foot of the Eiffel Tower), which defangs even further the official statement he received the "most severe punishment in the history of the presidential palace".  :lol

Another man has also been arrested, someone working for Macron's party who was also present at the scene on May 1st.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on July 20, 2018, 07:23:19 AM
Is there more of a reliable asshole than a guy who isn't a cop but has fantasies of being one?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Optimus on July 20, 2018, 07:42:24 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 20, 2018, 07:23:19 AM
Is there more of a reliable asshole than a guy who isn't a cop but has fantasies of being one?


People who want to become internet moderators?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: warcock on July 20, 2018, 11:11:37 AM
Quote from: curly on July 19, 2018, 03:00:20 PM
So the wannabe champion of liberal democracy has a deputy that likes playing cop dress-up and beating protesters? Am I getting that right?

Man Hamon was my boy dude, people just don't get it. UBI maybe a bit early but :(
My boy  :'(

Nintex: There is no ostfront. Russia is not planning to invade poland or anything west of it. Shut up with your fearmongering.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on July 20, 2018, 12:05:05 PM
They're probably gonna fire the guy ("new facts were discovered"). Someone (well, 3 people) at police have him illegally CCTV footage of his acts...

Prince Laurent of Belgium is suing the Belgian state over the reduction of his annual money grant. Belgian parliament punished him for accepting an invitation by the Chinese embassy without informing Foreign Affairs (which he is obligated to do).

The National Day of Belgium is tomorrow.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on July 20, 2018, 12:47:18 PM
Quote from: warcock on July 20, 2018, 11:11:37 AM
Quote from: curly on July 19, 2018, 03:00:20 PM
So the wannabe champion of liberal democracy has a deputy that likes playing cop dress-up and beating protesters? Am I getting that right?

Nintex: There is no ostfront. Russia is not planning to invade poland or anything west of it. Shut up with your fearmongering.
There is always an ostfront. Just look at how aggressive Montenegro has gotten and before you know it you are in WWIII.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: hungrynoob on July 21, 2018, 10:15:52 AM
Iran will be free, connect the dots here, how is all this coming together?

https://twitter.com/HeshmatAlavi/status/1020311131469074432
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2018, 10:33:30 AM
meanwhile in Israel:
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/07/21/world/21israel-print/merlin_141468885_560b63db-a68a-4472-bf2b-1443c91da67f-superJumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2018, 10:39:09 AM
meanwhile in Yurop:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-bannons-plan-to-hijack-europe-for-the-far-right
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LONDON—Steve Bannon plans to go toe-to-toe with George Soros and spark a right-wing revolution in Europe.

Trump’s former White House chief advisor told The Daily Beast that he is setting up a foundation in Europe called The Movement which he hopes will lead a right-wing populist revolt across the continent starting with the European Parliament elections next spring.

The non-profit will be a central source of polling, advice on messaging, data targeting, and think-tank research for a ragtag band of right-wingers who are surging all over Europe, in many cases without professional political structures or significant budgets.

Bannon’s ambition is for his organization ultimately to rival the impact of Soros’s Open Society, which has given away $32 billion to largely liberal causes since it was established in 1984.

Over the past year, Bannon has held talks with right-wing groups across the continent from Nigel Farage and members of Marine Le Pen’s Front National (recently renamed Rassemblement National) in the West, to Hungary’s Viktor Orban and the Polish populists in the East.

He envisions a right-wing “supergroup” within the European Parliament that could attract as many as a third of the lawmakers after next May’s Europe-wide elections. A united populist bloc of that size would have the ability to seriously disrupt parliamentary proceedings, potentially granting Bannon huge power within the populist movement.

After being forced out of the White House following internal wranglings that would later surface in the book Fire and Fury, Bannon is now reveling in the opportunity to plot his new European empire. “I'd rather reign in hell, than serve in heaven,” he said, paraphrasing John Milton’s Satan in Paradise Lost.
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The Movement plans to research and write detailed policy proposals that can be used by like-minded parties; commission pan-European or targeted polling; and share expertise in election war room methodology such as message discipline, data-led voter targeting and field operations. Depending on electoral law in individual countries, the foundation may be able to take part in some campaigns directly while bolstering other populist groups indirectly.

“I didn't get the idea until Marine Le Pen invited me to speak at Lille at the Front National,” recalled Bannon. “I said, ‘What do you want me say?’”

The response came back: “All you have to say is, ‘We're not alone.’”

Bannon was stunned to discover that the nationalist movements in Europe were not pooling skills and sharing ideas with populist parties in neighboring countries—let alone on a global scale.

Bannon said the Front National recognized that he was “the guy that goes round and understands us as a collective.”

Up on stage he told the crowd: “You fight for your country and they call you racist. But the days when those kind of insults work is over. The establishment media are the dogs of the system. Every day, we become stronger and they become weaker. Let them call you racists, xenophobes or whatever else, wear these like a medal.”
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Bannon said Farage and Le Pen would take the lead in figuring out the logistics of creating a new European parliamentary grouping that could be home to all of these parties and more.
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“Soros is brilliant,” he said. “He's evil but he's brilliant.”

Bannon wants to fulfil that role on the right and he is not ashamed to assert his objectives. “I'm about winning. I'm about power,” he said. “I want to win and then I want to effectuate change.”

He is not afraid of being caricatured in the way that Soros has been vilified by the right. He compared it to the fallout from the Cambridge Analytica scandal. “Look at Chris Wylie [the Cambridge Analytica whistleblower]. He is saying ‘Bannon made psychological weapons.’ He's literally made me the most brilliant evil genius. I'm a Bond villain. I kind of dig it.”
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on July 21, 2018, 10:55:28 AM
Quote from: hungrynoob on July 21, 2018, 10:15:52 AM
Iran will be free, connect the dots here, how is all this coming together?

twitter.com/HeshmatAlavi/status/1020311131469074432

Google "Goa Feng Iran" my dude.

Looks like China's going to keep purchasing oil, despite what this NCRI propaganda outlet says.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on July 21, 2018, 01:57:43 PM
Ecuador to lift Assange's asylum ?

https://theintercept.com/2018/07/21/ecuador-will-imminently-withdraw-asylum-for-julian-assange-and-hand-him-over-to-the-uk-what-comes-next/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2018, 02:04:27 PM
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Pompeo decreed that WikiLeaks is “a non-state hostile intelligence service often abetted by state actors like Russia,” and thus declared: “we have to recognize that we can no longer allow Assange and his colleagues the latitude to use free speech values against us.”

...also explicitly rejected any First Amendment concerns about prosecuting Assange, arguing that while WikiLeaks “pretended that America’s First Amendment freedoms shield them from justice . . . they may have believed that, but they are wrong.”

Pompeo then issued this bold threat: “To give them the space to crush us with misappropriated secrets is a perversion of what our great Constitution stands for. It ends now.”
he'll be fine, remember Trump and Mueller are on our side, fighting against the Deep State
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on July 21, 2018, 04:06:22 PM
The Benalla affair (I never named him, but the guy beating up students) is ballooning fast. The opposition are too happy to have something to grab to and Mélenchon, in his characteristic subtlety, says "it's worse than Watergate". Nevertheless, the Minister of Interior will go before the National Assembly to be questioned on the case. Some are calling for his head. The Minister is G.Collomb, a prominent Socialist elephant (Mayor of Lyon) and one of Macron most important ally (alongside Le Drian, Hollande's Défense Minister, currently at Foreign Affairs and a few others) into the established political network. Collomb "distinguished" himself for his law & order talk (moreso than some of his Socialist peers at the same post, like Cazeneuve).

Benalla was granted a pass to "observe" police work by his superior and as I mentioned three Paris police officers have been suspended for passing CCTV footage of the incident. And of course what happened at the scene and how this observer ended up being allowed to beat a guy under gendarmerie protection (some officer somewhere had to say to his CRS that the guy was a VIP to be protected at all costs no matter how inappropriate he acted, surely).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on July 22, 2018, 10:07:06 AM
If you wonder how the far right continues to gain ground in Europe...

Today a girl was raped in Rotterdam. She was raped so violently that's she had to be hospitalized in the IC.
Just imagine what that poor woman must've gone through.

Now here's the kicker. It happened early in the morning, other citizens heard screams but no one dared to act or even call the police until the rape was nearly finished.
In the end the police arrived too late and the rapist escaped. The police asked the public to help find the rapist but they were unwilling to disclose any information about the guy.
They wouldn't comment on ethnicity, height, age, hair or any other identifiable feature. Despite the fact that they likely caught him on a security camera. The girl is unable to speak still.

This happened at 05:30 in the morning.

Now that the police have failed to find the guy during the last 10 hours based on the non-description, after 10 hours they've finally decided to tell us who to look for:
Age 20, darkened skin, wearing a dark hoody and riding a dark bike.

The policy is so scared into being labeled racists that they even allow a violent rapist to roam free.
They know exactly what the guy looks like.


Meanwhile in Brussels when Juncker asks for 'Water' every singe one of his aides knows he wants gin (and so do the people he's discussing important policy decisions with).
And yet, some still wonder how it is possible that the likes of Salvini, Orban and Wilders are taking over control of Europe.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: warcock on July 22, 2018, 01:37:47 PM
Quote from: Nintex on July 22, 2018, 10:07:06 AM
If you wonder how the far right continues to gain ground in Europe...

Today a girl was raped in Rotterdam. She was raped so violently that's she had to be hospitalized in the IC.
Just imagine what that poor woman must've gone through.

Now here's the kicker. It happened early in the morning, other citizens heard screams but no one dared to act or even call the police until the rape was nearly finished.
In the end the police arrived too late and the rapist escaped. The police asked the public to help find the rapist but they were unwilling to disclose any information about the guy.
They wouldn't comment on ethnicity, height, age, hair or any other identifiable feature. Despite the fact that they likely caught him on a security camera. The girl is unable to speak still.

This happened at 05:30 in the morning.

Now that the police have failed to find the guy during the last 10 hours based on the non-description, after 10 hours they've finally decided to tell us who to look for:
Age 20, darkened skin, wearing a dark hoody and riding a dark bike.

The policy is so scared into being labeled racists that they even allow a violent rapist to roam free.
They know exactly what the guy looks like.


Meanwhile in Brussels when Juncker asks for 'Water' every singe one of his aides knows he wants gin (and so do the people he's discussing important policy decisions with).
And yet, some still wonder how it is possible that the likes of Salvini, Orban and Wilders are taking over control of Europe.
Oh it couldnt be the massive self imposed austerity that the troika imposed in all but germany(please don't prove by contradiction...) which led to a recession lasting almost a decade to save deutschbank, soc gen et al. The problems of big immigration influxes certainly exacerbated the already dire conditions but please stop pretending this is the crux of it all. I will give you the benefit of the doubt since I don't live in the EU and can't see first hand what is going on but from a critical external perspective your argument seems weak. But who knows, i remember arguing with your fellow countryman about how divided and awful the US is and looking from the outside he couldnt really get how bad it is , told him that the EU should strive for independence years ago. Now look where we are at.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on July 22, 2018, 02:22:38 PM
Quote from: warcock on July 22, 2018, 01:37:47 PM
Quote from: Nintex on July 22, 2018, 10:07:06 AM
If you wonder how the far right continues to gain ground in Europe...

Today a girl was raped in Rotterdam. She was raped so violently that's she had to be hospitalized in the IC.
Just imagine what that poor woman must've gone through.

Now here's the kicker. It happened early in the morning, other citizens heard screams but no one dared to act or even call the police until the rape was nearly finished.
In the end the police arrived too late and the rapist escaped. The police asked the public to help find the rapist but they were unwilling to disclose any information about the guy.
They wouldn't comment on ethnicity, height, age, hair or any other identifiable feature. Despite the fact that they likely caught him on a security camera. The girl is unable to speak still.

This happened at 05:30 in the morning.

Now that the police have failed to find the guy during the last 10 hours based on the non-description, after 10 hours they've finally decided to tell us who to look for:
Age 20, darkened skin, wearing a dark hoody and riding a dark bike.

The policy is so scared into being labeled racists that they even allow a violent rapist to roam free.
They know exactly what the guy looks like.


Meanwhile in Brussels when Juncker asks for 'Water' every singe one of his aides knows he wants gin (and so do the people he's discussing important policy decisions with).
And yet, some still wonder how it is possible that the likes of Salvini, Orban and Wilders are taking over control of Europe.
Oh it couldnt be the massive self imposed austerity that the troika imposed in all but germany(please don't prove by contradiction...) which led to a recession lasting almost a decade to save deutschbank, soc gen et al. The problems of big immigration influxes certainly exacerbated the already dire conditions but please stop pretending this is the crux of it all. I will give you the benefit of the doubt since I don't live in the EU and can't see first hand what is going on but from a critical external perspective your argument seems weak. But who knows, i remember arguing with your fellow countryman about how divided and awful the US is and looking from the outside he couldnt really get how bad it is , told him that the EU should strive for independence years ago. Now look where we are at.
That is also a big problem. Perhaps even more so. The root of the cause seems to be the dumbfuck politicians in Brussels writing those insane policies.

And the only solution there currently seems to be is to remove one brand of neo-liberal idiots and replace them with even bigger idiots.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Crash Dummy on July 23, 2018, 01:40:07 AM
Quote from: Nintex on July 22, 2018, 10:07:06 AM
Meanwhile in Brussels when Juncker asks for 'Water' every singe one of his aides knows he wants gin (and so do the people he's discussing important policy decisions with).
And yet, some still wonder how it is possible that the likes of Salvini, Orban and Wilders are taking over control of Europe.
:lol :lol no way this is true
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on July 23, 2018, 03:28:21 AM
Cuba is voting on a new constitution which mentions private property.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 23, 2018, 03:50:52 AM
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recognizing the right to own private property and opening the door to the possible legalization of same-sex marriage, among other economic, political and social changes.

The document would also encourage foreign investment and strengthen the judicial system, including recognizing the presumption of innocence.

The draft Constitution would significantly reorganize the government. It calls for creating the position of a prime minister, who would share power with the president, and governorships for the nation’s provinces.
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the draft omits a clause from the current, 42-year-old Constitution laying out the goal of building a “communist society,”
Cindi takes down yet another socialist threat  :punch
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on July 23, 2018, 01:06:34 PM
Quote from: Crash Dummy on July 23, 2018, 01:40:07 AM
Quote from: Nintex on July 22, 2018, 10:07:06 AM
Meanwhile in Brussels when Juncker asks for 'Water' every singe one of his aides knows he wants gin (and so do the people he's discussing important policy decisions with).
And yet, some still wonder how it is possible that the likes of Salvini, Orban and Wilders are taking over control of Europe.
:lol :lol no way this is true

Apparently it is.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/jean-claude-drunker/ (https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/jean-claude-drunker/)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Raist on July 23, 2018, 02:46:52 PM
Quote from: Nintex on July 23, 2018, 01:06:34 PM
Quote from: Crash Dummy on July 23, 2018, 01:40:07 AM
Quote from: Nintex on July 22, 2018, 10:07:06 AM
Meanwhile in Brussels when Juncker asks for 'Water' every singe one of his aides knows he wants gin (and so do the people he's discussing important policy decisions with).
And yet, some still wonder how it is possible that the likes of Salvini, Orban and Wilders are taking over control of Europe.
:lol :lol no way this is true

Apparently it is.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/jean-claude-drunker/ (https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/jean-claude-drunker/)

That's some prime source you got there :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on July 23, 2018, 05:46:24 PM
Quote from: Raist on July 23, 2018, 02:46:52 PM
Quote from: Nintex on July 23, 2018, 01:06:34 PM
Quote from: Crash Dummy on July 23, 2018, 01:40:07 AM
Quote from: Nintex on July 22, 2018, 10:07:06 AM
Meanwhile in Brussels when Juncker asks for 'Water' every singe one of his aides knows he wants gin (and so do the people he's discussing important policy decisions with).
And yet, some still wonder how it is possible that the likes of Salvini, Orban and Wilders are taking over control of Europe.
:lol :lol no way this is true

Apparently it is.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/jean-claude-drunker/ (https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/jean-claude-drunker/)

That's some prime source you got there :lol
It has been a not so well hidden secret for years
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-eu-juncker-schaeuble-idUKKBN0F647320140701 (https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-eu-juncker-schaeuble-idUKKBN0F647320140701)
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Juncker’s successor as chairman of the Eurogroup, Dutchman Jeroen Dijsselbloem, told a Dutch television programme in January that Juncker smoked and drank heavily in meetings.

Quote
One British newspaper quoted an unnamed source as saying Juncker, the long-time head of the Eurogroup forum of euro zone finance ministers, drank cognac for breakfast.

Every year it pops up again.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Crash Dummy on July 24, 2018, 02:06:31 AM
i mean i can believe he drinks a lot but to have "water" be code for "more gin" in meetings is like something armando ianucci would put in his shows
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Optimus on July 24, 2018, 05:01:40 AM
Juncker is a useful and obedient idiot and a drunk. Of course that story is probably true, I mean you've seen the video where the carry him out of the meeting because he's blind drunk, right? I assume it has been posted here.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on July 24, 2018, 10:43:10 AM
Quote from: Optimus on July 24, 2018, 05:01:40 AM
Juncker is a useful and obedient idiot and a drunk. Of course that story is probably true, I mean you've seen the video where the carry him out of the meeting because he's blind drunk, right? I assume it has been posted here.
There's about 20 of those, which one are you referring to?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Kara on July 24, 2018, 09:18:24 PM
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/2156385/britains-disgraceful-pre-handover-efforts-deny-nationality
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on July 25, 2018, 08:19:50 AM
The UNRWA is gonna let go of 250 employees because the US froze its UN contributions. The agency is facing "existential danger".
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Raist on July 25, 2018, 10:15:00 AM
https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1020671636524191745


 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: team filler on July 25, 2018, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: Nintex on July 23, 2018, 05:46:24 PM

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Juncker drank cognac for breakfast.



 :mynicca
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on July 26, 2018, 05:53:15 PM
Over in the UK, May is losing more ground.

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Michel Barnier has warned that attempts to appeal to EU leaders over his head were a waste of time as he rejected after Brexit, in effect killing off the Chequers plan.
- Brussels returned her latest brexit plan a 'lawl NO'. The same plan that she figured the EU would agree on and the only viable plan that would have a chance to get through the British parliament.

- Trump is ready to deal with the EU and leave the UK hanging.

- Steve Bannon is in frequent contact with Boris Johnson, who is mulling his moves against May to become PM himself.

A hard and messy brexit is looking more and more likely as time is running somewhat short.
They'd need to have some sort of deal by October in order to implement it. Otherwise the UK will crash out of the EU.

You'd think the opposition would be able to make something out of this opportunity but Jeremy Corbyn is not wiling to press this issue.
Not to mention they have trouble dealing with antisemitism in their party.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Kara on July 26, 2018, 06:49:19 PM
https://www.salon.com/amp/my-grandfather-didnt-fight-the-nazis-as-family-lore-told-it-he-was-a-brutal-collaborator

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Near the end of my trip, my aunt, Aldona Budrytė Bužienė, whose mother was my grandmother’s sister, described how, as a 10-year-old, she babysat my mother in 1941 in Plungė. She told me the story while we were in her apartment in Klaipėda, enjoying a lunch of chicken and rice that she had prepared. Shortly after the uprising, my grandfather moved his family into a house in the center of town once it became “suddenly free” and stayed until they moved to Šiauliai, where my grandfather became chairman of the county. “What do you mean by suddenly free?” I asked. She answered, “The Jews were gone, so the house was free. Many Lithuanians were moving into the new free houses.”

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I knew my grandfather was the county chair, considered the height of his political career, but I had never considered that he might have been a Nazi collaborator.

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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on July 26, 2018, 07:45:02 PM
yeah, but they probably had to bring their own furniture
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Optimus on July 26, 2018, 09:03:46 PM
Quote from: Nintex on July 24, 2018, 10:43:10 AM
Quote from: Optimus on July 24, 2018, 05:01:40 AM
Juncker is a useful and obedient idiot and a drunk. Of course that story is probably true, I mean you've seen the video where the carry him out of the meeting because he's blind drunk, right? I assume it has been posted here.
There's about 20 of those, which one are you referring to?

This one, it gets even better after 1:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oecvYFq_wi0
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: team filler on July 27, 2018, 06:02:16 PM
valk out outchea dropping truth bombs on the libs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBewxQUHwvo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Raist on July 28, 2018, 04:29:39 AM
Is that Paul Joseph Watson in drag.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on July 28, 2018, 06:33:09 AM
"Rape explodes in Sweden"

Hehehehehe, spontaneous cumbustion.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Optimus on July 28, 2018, 01:59:47 PM
I don't know what percentage of that rant was bullshit but that liveleak rape video was fucking disgusting and infuriating and the fact that authorities and media in European countries are trying to cover up this crap is fucking enraging.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nabbis on July 30, 2018, 08:17:17 AM
Rape crimes being commited disproportionally by foreign citizens is old news at this point. There probably is some overreporting but the last time i saw the statistics the representation was ridiculous regardless. This is solely about Finland.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on August 01, 2018, 12:19:07 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/27/sunday-review/obama-egypt-coup-trump.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/27/sunday-review/obama-egypt-coup-trump.html)

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President Trump boasts that he has reversed American policies across the Middle East. Where his predecessor hoped to win hearts and minds, Mr. Trump champions the axiom that brute force is the only response to extremism — whether in Iran, Syria, Yemen or the Palestinian territories. He has embraced the hawks of the region, in Israel and the Persian Gulf, as his chief guides and allies.

But in many ways, this hard-line approach began to take hold under President Barack Obama, when those same regional allies backed the 2013 military ouster of Egypt’s first elected president, Mohamed Morsi of the Muslim Brotherhood.
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Civilians in government were skeptical, too. Secretary of State John Kerry had grown close to many of the most fiercely anti-Islamist Persian Gulf royals during his decades in the Senate, even sometimes yachting with them. He had always distrusted the Brotherhood, he told me years later. When he visited Cairo for the first time as secretary of state in March 2013, he took an immediate dislike to Mr. Morsi.

“He is the dumbest cluck I ever met,” Mr. Kerry told his chief of staff as they left the presidential palace. “This isn’t going to work. These guys are wacko.”

Mr. Kerry got along better in his one-on-one meeting with Gen. Abdel Fattah el-Sisi. A former military intelligence chief, General Sisi had vaulted himself into the job of defense minister in a shake-up just a few months before.
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Mr. Kerry told me he had argued at the White House that Mr. Morsi’s removal was not, in fact, a coup. General Sisi had merely bowed to the public will in order to save Egypt, Mr. Kerry said, noting that the general had announced a plan for new elections. (Mr. Sisi was elected president the next year and again in 2018, each time with more than 95 percent of the vote.)

“In Egypt, what was the alternative? It wasn’t Jeffersonian democracy,” Mr. Kerry told me. “Over whatever number of years we have put about $80 billion into Egypt. Most of the time, this is the kind of government they had — almost all of the time. And the reality is, no matter how much I wish it was different, it ain’t going to be different tomorrow.”

The United States needed the Saudis, Emiratis and Israelis for other priorities, Mr. Kerry said, and he did not want to “get into a fight with them over something as historically clear as how Egypt works.”

President Obama decided not to make any determination about whether Mr. Morsi’s ouster was or was not a coup, effectively accepting it.
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The Egyptian military crushed the opponents of the takeover with a series of mass shootings, culminating on Aug. 14, 2013, in the killing of as many as 1,000. Human Rights Watch concluded that it was the biggest single-day massacre in recent history, surpassing the Tiananmen Square massacre in 1989. Egypt’s police soon widened the crackdown to suppress independent liberal, leftist, feminist and Christian organizers as well. And a backlash against the takeover ignited an extremist insurgency centered on the North Sinai that continues today.

hopefully john kerry windsurfs chin first into the side of an oil tanker
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on August 01, 2018, 12:45:14 AM
I mean, it's historically clear how Egypt works.

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Post by: curly on August 01, 2018, 02:02:15 AM
Edward Said might have been on to something
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Post by: shosta on August 01, 2018, 02:06:17 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on August 01, 2018, 12:45:14 AM
I mean, it's historically clear how Egypt works.

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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on August 01, 2018, 02:29:14 AM
Really Obama was just more allergic to open warfare (and to fair more mindful than some multilateralism was probably the better path to safeguard US interests long term). An obvious improvement to the excesses of his predecessor, but otherwise it was mostly realpolitik as usual. I'll give him some credit for the Iran deal : it wasn't genius by any means but they worked hard on it despite the irrational opposition at home from a lot of the political officials.

Hopefully Trump is fucking it up along with NATO and Asia :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Optimus on August 01, 2018, 05:41:53 AM
It's historically clear as how Egypt works, BUT ASSAD IS A DICTATOR, OMG OMG OMG, DO ANYTHING EVEN FUND TERRORISTS TO REMOVE HIM.

Apparently the Egyptian coup wasn't a coup either. Gee, I wonder who organized it.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on August 01, 2018, 05:46:56 AM
Interesting to read they send Flynn to discuss the coup.
Sounds more and more like Flynn is some sort of 'fall guy'.

Currently the Iranian regime is facing a lot of protests from angry citizens as is their satellite Iraq.
Some people watching it fear that the Quds forces (the military/intelligence wing) of the government will take over control from the religious leaders behind the scenes.
But maybe that is actually the plan. Have the military take-over Iran so the US has a rational foe to 'deal' with.
Kinda like how Kerry preferred dealing with Egyptian generals vs. the Muslim Brotherhood.

After all the generals know that a 1:1 battle with the US and it's allies is futile. So they'd be less inclined to stir the pot.

Quote from: Optimus on August 01, 2018, 05:41:53 AM
It's historically clear as how Egypt works, BUT ASSAD IS A DICTATOR, OMG OMG OMG, DO ANYTHING EVEN FUND TERRORISTS TO REMOVE HIM.

Apparently the Egyptian coup wasn't a coup either. Gee, I wonder who organized it.
They outsourced that to Russia. And then they were surprised Putin used his Chechnya playbook to finish the job. I remember US media was really salty when after all their: "THIS IS RUSSIA'S IRAQ" hyberbole op-ed's the Russians managed to handle it quickly and efficiently. Also look at how fast Mattis and co. managed to take-out ISIS as soon as Trump was in office, eased up the rules of engagement and stopped arming some of the groups there (and pressured Arabic states to do the same).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on August 01, 2018, 05:58:39 AM
everything you just said was stupid and you should lest time vomiting up terrible posts and more time trying to use your brain
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Post by: Kara on August 01, 2018, 11:25:45 AM
Quote from: Optimus on August 01, 2018, 05:41:53 AM
It's historically clear as how Egypt works, BUT ASSAD IS A DICTATOR, OMG OMG OMG, DO ANYTHING EVEN FUND TERRORISTS TO REMOVE HIM.

(https://i.imgur.com/PfSS7KB.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: warcock on August 01, 2018, 12:42:53 PM
Quote from: Optimus on August 01, 2018, 05:41:53 AM
It's historically clear as how Egypt works, BUT ASSAD IS A DICTATOR, OMG OMG OMG, DO ANYTHING EVEN FUND TERRORISTS TO REMOVE HIM.

Apparently the Egyptian coup wasn't a coup either. Gee, I wonder who organized it.

You know what's kind of sad though, i mean i can't speak as to the inevitable ignition of the powder keg working in the background but Syria was enjoying a decent economic boom before the revolution. Can't say whether inequality of said gains contributed to such explosion, probably, given Piketty et. al.'s  aggregate data on the middle east.  I wish i was on the alawite payroll  :heh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on August 02, 2018, 03:23:21 PM
The Intercept is reporting that Saudi Arabia and UAE were planning an invasion of Qatar and Tillerson stopped it, and that caused them to lobby hard for his firing.

Also there's this:

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The UAE’s harassment of Qatar also includes crude public insults lodged by UAE leadership against the Qatari royal family. The jibes frequently emanate from the verified Twitter account of Hamad al Mazrouei, a high-level Emirati intelligence official and righthand man to Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed. Mazrouei’s account frequently tweets sexually suggestive content directed at Mozah bint Nasser, the mother of the emir of Qatar. Just last week, Mazrouei tweeted a video of a man and woman – with Mazrouei and Sheikha Mozah’s faces photoshopped onto their bodies – doing a raunchy bump-and-grind.

The content and audacity of Mazrouei’s tweets have led to speculation in Qatari media that the account is actually controlled by the crown prince of Abu Dhabi himself.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on August 02, 2018, 03:25:29 PM
I saw that earlier. Grudging respect to Tillerson.

Saudi Arabia's really leaning into that whole sphere of influence idea lately.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on August 02, 2018, 06:09:31 PM
Interesting read, especially that they passed all official channels and simply got to the Trump admin through Kushner.

Although I'm not sure if the alternative the Saudi's are pursuing now is any better.
They're planning to heavily fortify the border with Qatar (the only land border it has) and use it as a nuclear waste dump.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on August 03, 2018, 01:28:44 AM
At the risk of sounding like a good old post colonialist racist (and keeping in mind Trump is the current POTUS so...), how can those countries get any better when they're led by such a bunch of children ? Tweeting insulting lewd content to the mother of a rival Emir  :lol ::) :-\
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on August 03, 2018, 01:36:24 AM
hey buster, we were able to choose Trump, he wasn't imposed on us simply because he was from the House of Trump!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on August 03, 2018, 03:58:39 AM
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/08/02/what-does-an-empowered-saudi-woman-look-like/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Kara on August 03, 2018, 04:10:46 AM
My hero.

http://www.sixthtone.com/news/1002652/the-man-behind-chinas-most-irritating-ads
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Post by: benjipwns on August 03, 2018, 04:45:04 AM
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state newspaper People’s Daily criticized the commercials in a since-deleted Weibo post
socialism with Chinese characteristics :chinacry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on August 03, 2018, 05:07:51 AM
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Despite the criticism, Ye stands by his approach. “A revolution is not a dinner party, or writing an essay, or painting a picture, or doing embroidery; it cannot be so refined, leisurely, and gentle; so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained, and magnanimous,” Ye said, quoting Mao. “So is advertising.”
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on August 03, 2018, 03:27:07 PM
A Chinese dissident was taken away by men (police ?) while he was doing an interview (on an US funded outlet) and nobody has been able to reach him since (AFP tried his phone, his WeChat and of course the local law enforcement headquarters to no avail.).

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/02/chinese-dissident-in-his-80s-arrested-at-home-during-live-tv-interview

Should have worked in advertising.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: team filler on August 04, 2018, 02:52:58 AM
You're never to old to learn something new be re-educated!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on August 04, 2018, 07:21:58 PM
https://twitter.com/Jake_Hanrahan/status/1025879410933673985 (https://twitter.com/Jake_Hanrahan/status/1025879410933673985)

Ethan Hunt tried to take out Maduro but Benji crashed the drone.

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Post by: toku on August 04, 2018, 09:03:11 PM
nintex beat me to it
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Post by: Optimus on August 05, 2018, 05:34:30 AM
CIA just needs better drones.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on August 05, 2018, 07:09:49 AM
https://twitter.com/Ahmadinejad1956/status/1026049839484874752 (https://twitter.com/Ahmadinejad1956/status/1026049839484874752)

Nothing matters anymore
Whatever AI is ruling us it has gone rampant  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Kara on August 05, 2018, 12:37:34 PM
Maduro da god. :bow2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on August 05, 2018, 12:53:32 PM
A North Korean Defector’s Tale of Lies, Blackmail and Betrayal (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/04/world/asia/north-korea-waitresses-defector.html)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on August 05, 2018, 01:02:26 PM
Quote from: curly on August 05, 2018, 12:53:32 PM
A North Korean Defector’s Tale of Lies, Blackmail and Betrayal (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/04/world/asia/north-korea-waitresses-defector.html)

Not the most important part of the story but NK using waitresses as a source of foreign income is :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on August 05, 2018, 01:05:15 PM
Related to that apparently Russia might be in trouble with the US because they've supposedly been hiring North Korean laborers despite sanctions prohibiting it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on August 05, 2018, 01:06:54 PM
Quote from: curly on August 05, 2018, 01:05:15 PM
Related to that apparently Russia might be in trouble with the US because they've supposedly been hiring North Korean laborers despite sanctions prohibiting it.

Donny will lift that and allow it in the US too. He's on a deregulation roll lately.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on August 06, 2018, 06:46:45 AM
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1026415005724491776 (https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1026415005724491776)

Boris has finally started his campaign.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on August 06, 2018, 11:42:18 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dj7Eq-HVsAALDiQ.jpg:large)

edit: they deleted it and reposted without the plane :lol

Saudi Twitter is wild

https://twitter.com/YasirKSA88/status/1026300442458783744
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Brehvolution on August 06, 2018, 01:18:32 PM
:comeon

SA is pulling all it's college students from Canada by revoking their scholarships. Is this peak butthurt?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on August 06, 2018, 04:54:48 PM
Quote from: Stro on August 06, 2018, 04:49:57 PM
Knowing how duplicitous Canadians can be, I'm inclined to side the Kingdom\

What did Canada do?

Said KSA should release civil rights activists, apparently they ramped up arrests recently.

"Saudi Arabia freezes new trade with Canada for urging activists' release"
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-saudi-canada-diplomacy/saudi-arabia-freezes-new-trade-with-canada-for-urging-activists-release-idUKKBN1KR1AX
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on August 07, 2018, 12:35:14 AM
Not sure a lot of people will get the benefit of it since it's in the French but the following podcast has a good discussion about the Sino-African relationship. The guest is a former diplomat and economist Jean-Joseph Boillot and among the panel is Lionel Zinsou, former Prime Minister of Bénin :

Le Nouvel Esprit Public: La Chine Afrique (#48) http://rss.art19.com/episodes/54ee3f7b-ebd7-4483-bb4e-f0c9544dc447.mp3

It's fairly thorough for the duration and it veers off the customary alarmism surrounding the issue and highlight the sometimes forgotten African agency in those matters.

To try to summarize the bullet points :
- Chinese relations with Africa started with liberation wars. Very present in the Horn obviously but certainly not contained there (present in Maghreb, Mauritania, etc...).
- China moved beyond simply trading raw materials and fossil fuels and is flooding the continent with cars, bikes and smartphones which kick-started a mini revolution (ease of transportation, telecoms). Some smartphone are sold for a quarter of the European price. Some manufacturing also going on.
- Huge investments in infrastructure, buildings and the creation of special economic zones (notably in Ethiopia) though the results are not up to expectations. Some Chinese billionaires are patrons if the art.
- Chinese diplomacy is excellent with ambassadors fluent in local languages down to Swahili, Wolof... (A reminder that China is the biggest supplier in troops for the UN peacekeeping force). But a lot of frustration at some of the middling results, political resistances and African leaders not being that malleable despite the investments.
- Over 1m Chinese have emigrated to Africa (including up to taking dual citizenship) including traders and artisans. Create some tensions on the ground with increased competition for the indigenous blue collar class. Generally a lot of weariness : Chinese companies have a bad reputation as employers and will often bring a lot of the manpower from home, making the economic returns more meager, though it is evolving (it's starting to get too cost prohibitive to staff lower positions with expatriates).
- China is looking for a second military base, this one on the Atlantic coast. Word on the ground is that their Djibouti base has a manpower well in excess of the agreement (maybe 10k more).
- Unlike Europe or the US and despite how predatory the economic model may be, Africa commercial balance with China is positive.
- Arguably European corporations got a lot better and more professional under the pressure of Chinese competition. They're far from having been wiped out and the local governments want to have the choice to not get shackled.
- Though Chinese presence is not viewed with rose tinted glasses, European are not suddenly absolved of their baggage.
- As Trump was shitting the G7, Paul Kagamé was representing the African union in Shanghai and giving multiple speeches. Kagamé is popular in Africa for the effectiveness of the transformations he mandated in Rwanda.
- Zinsou is hopeful for the future of democracy in Africa and feels it is making great strides at the local level.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Kara on August 07, 2018, 01:37:47 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on August 07, 2018, 12:35:14 AM
- China moved beyond simply trading raw materials and fossil fuels and is flooding the continent with cars, bikes and smartphones which kick-started a mini revolution (ease of transportation, telecoms). Some smartphone are sold for a quarter of the European price. Some manufacturing also going on.
- Unlike Europe or the US and despite how predatory the economic model may be, Africa commercial balance with China is positive.
- As Trump was shitting the G7, Paul Kagamé was representing the African union in Shanghai and giving multiple speeches. Kagamé is popular in Africa for the effectiveness of the transformations he mandated in Rwanda.

:bow JDPON :bow2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on August 07, 2018, 05:27:25 AM
Quote from: curly on August 06, 2018, 11:42:18 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dj7Eq-HVsAALDiQ.jpg:large)

edit: they deleted it and reposted without the plane :lol

Saudi Twitter is wild

i have to admit that i really didn't see the rest of the world picking up Trump's Twitter Diplomacy coming :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on August 07, 2018, 06:21:27 AM
Quote from: Dufus on August 07, 2018, 05:57:19 AM
SA going ape-shit after a little criticism from Canada is not a good look

I mean if that new dude wants to project power, you might wanna be cool about it, instead of doing this and unwittingly project pettiness
Jared has taught the young prince well.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on August 07, 2018, 04:32:22 PM
pretty sure the sauds wilding out precedes the trump administration
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on August 07, 2018, 04:37:39 PM
Quote from: curly on August 07, 2018, 04:32:22 PM
pretty sure the sauds wilding out precedes the trump administration

They're waging a bloody cruel war, a blockade, and were suspected of detaining and forcing to resign a foreign Prime Minister.

You can squander a lot of soft power when you have oil and money.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on August 07, 2018, 05:21:43 PM
WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS DOUBLE DOWN OR DIE TRYING

https://twitter.com/thekarami/status/1026919688452755456 (https://twitter.com/thekarami/status/1026919688452755456)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 08, 2018, 02:05:10 AM
Decolonisation was a mistake.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 08, 2018, 02:05:54 AM
Quote from: Premium Lager on August 08, 2018, 02:05:10 AM
Decolonisation was a mistake.

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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on August 08, 2018, 02:54:10 AM
No, you've got a point.

If Canada were still a colony they could have avoided this mess.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Kara on August 08, 2018, 03:20:29 AM
Anglophone North America having ever decolonized. :heh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on August 08, 2018, 04:28:30 PM
After a day of tit for tat rocket fire and airstrikes, Israel responds with this:
https://twitter.com/TheIsraelink/status/1027287570974167040 (https://twitter.com/TheIsraelink/status/1027287570974167040)

https://twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1027241141673099265 (https://twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1027241141673099265)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on August 09, 2018, 08:19:59 AM
The UN is frantically trying to keep the peace but Hamas keeps lobbing missiles.

https://twitter.com/TheIsraelink/status/1027528183804035073 (https://twitter.com/TheIsraelink/status/1027528183804035073)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on August 09, 2018, 09:15:29 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 08, 2018, 04:28:30 PM
After a day of tit for tat rocket fire and airstrikes, Israel responds with this:
https://twitter.com/TheIsraelink/status/1027287570974167040 (https://twitter.com/TheIsraelink/status/1027287570974167040)

Sure Jan
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 09, 2018, 09:23:21 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 07, 2018, 05:21:43 PM
WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS DOUBLE DOWN OR DIE TRYING

https://twitter.com/thekarami/status/1026919688452755456 (https://twitter.com/thekarami/status/1026919688452755456)

I hope Arvie is okay.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on August 10, 2018, 06:54:56 AM
So Turkey is going down the drain fast. The Lira is plummeting and Erdogan says:
"They have their Dollars we have our people and GOD!"

Meanwhile the European banks have again been FUCKING STUPID FUCKS by lending Erdogan the money he needs for his neo-Ottoman Empire.
They risk losing billions when/if Turkey defaults or Erdogan does something stupid. So it won't be long before they will bail him out to save their banks if this keeps up.

https://twitter.com/business/status/1027845971030560775 (https://twitter.com/business/status/1027845971030560775)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on August 10, 2018, 09:46:58 AM
Welp Trump just kicked Turkey off a cliff

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1027899286586109955 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1027899286586109955)

$6.75 now. If the Lira hits $7.10 Goldman expects the Turkish banks to default.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Brehvolution on August 10, 2018, 10:12:30 AM
Says the dotard who did nothing when turkish thugs beat up protesters on US soil.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Kara on August 10, 2018, 04:38:32 PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1KT210

:bow Everyone dunking on the U.S. :bow2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on August 10, 2018, 10:08:20 PM
https://twitter.com/sdbcraig/status/1027635333934997504
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 10, 2018, 10:10:47 PM
No, not Daddy P!  :'(
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Kara on August 10, 2018, 10:16:13 PM
We should work to ensure the release of the Crank Dad and facilitate his emigration to Saudi.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Atramental on August 11, 2018, 12:47:56 AM
Quote from: curly on August 10, 2018, 10:08:20 PM
https://twitter.com/sdbcraig/status/1027635333934997504
(https://i.imgur.com/XtFBXNJ.jpg)

"Bloody hell..."
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on August 11, 2018, 06:38:22 AM
Saudi's following the gospel of Jordan Peterson would be lit af.  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on August 11, 2018, 06:40:18 AM
It's more likely to be Jordan Peterson following the gospel of Saudi if it ever came to that...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on August 12, 2018, 04:16:28 PM
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1028694109538668544 (https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1028694109538668544)

Boris has started his campaign by winning over the press.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Propagandhim on August 12, 2018, 04:42:47 PM
https://twitter.com/SteveStuWill/status/1028672463729643521

Not sure how much truth there is to this, but the results are surprising.   Human capital flight and brain drain's a bitch.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on August 12, 2018, 04:53:43 PM
Turkey is now going completely down the train.

Today Erdogan:
- Said it was a plot against his country by the US
- Told the industrialists to keep the economy running or else he'd go with 'plan B or C'
- Threatened market speculators that there would be consequences if they kept undermining his economy
- Threatened the US with actions on 'their soil'
- Introduced some sort of Hitler salute to his followers

The market reaction was predictable
https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1028728196081111040 (https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1028728196081111040)

The Lira is now worth less than the Libyan currency.
Turkey has gone bust.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Kara on August 12, 2018, 04:55:59 PM
Quote from: Propagandhim on August 12, 2018, 04:42:47 PM
https://twitter.com/SteveStuWill/status/1028672463729643521

Not sure how much truth there is to this, but the results are surprising.   Human capital flight and brain drain's a bitch.

Sort of pointless without controlling for percentage of the population with postsecondary degrees.

Also, muh bio truths.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Propagandhim on August 12, 2018, 05:22:22 PM
Quote from: Kara on August 12, 2018, 04:55:59 PM
Quote from: Propagandhim on August 12, 2018, 04:42:47 PM
https://twitter.com/SteveStuWill/status/1028672463729643521

Not sure how much truth there is to this, but the results are surprising.   Human capital flight and brain drain's a bitch.

Sort of pointless without controlling for percentage of the population with postsecondary degrees.

Also, muh bio truths.

See, I kinda see this as dismantling "bio-truthers" -- the more aggressive condemnations of the Damore paper cited an implication that Damore was a sexist who thought that women were just not as smart as men in the aggregate (even though this wasn't explicitly stated in the paper), but the discrepancies between nations here shows something else at play (if there's any truth to be gleaned from this chart).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Kara on August 12, 2018, 05:37:29 PM
I don't disagree; I should have made an intelligent post instead of shitposting.

Curious as to why Russia isn't on there, especially since (I assume) they would score highly on the X axis but low on the Y axis. (For example, medicine is historically not a prestigious profession in Russia so women tended to congregate there.)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nabbis on August 12, 2018, 08:11:20 PM
STEM is generally filled with losers in Finland, it's not prestigious at all. Same thing for Scandinavia i think. Medschool is the hardest and prestigeous(arguably) you can get into(the exam is also based solely on physics, chemistry and biology) and it's about 50/50.

I think a study like that should consider that STEM fields are not ranked equally between countries. I don't know if it will have a big impact but it could be a variable.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on August 19, 2018, 06:18:51 AM
The Austrian foreign minister got married and there was a "surprise" guest.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Giving a speech
(http://static.kremlin.ru/media/events/photos/big/2GcmJGuwpIrs5HGOU4bsKFcklVP1HaUB.JPG)

Colluding with the dogs
(http://static.kremlin.ru/media/events/photos/big/UyRwuPmVCOMNkR66iuhXsAL8UsXA5fHi.jpg)

Planting a listening device on the minister (and bride)
(http://static.kremlin.ru/media/events/photos/big/mFAkMoFktDoxrf17KsU34Ir13zzGs8FS.jpg)

Colluding with the Austrian chancellor
(http://static.kremlin.ru/media/events/photos/big/Hx7xmDnAlSIHP9wLfW47zok4AikF4jgA.jpg)
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/58327 (http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/58327)
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on August 20, 2018, 07:41:05 AM
https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1031431239641845760

first against the wall
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on August 20, 2018, 07:46:58 AM
Quote from: curly on August 20, 2018, 07:41:05 AM
https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1031431239641845760

first against the wall
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/674/262/7b2.jpg)

Maybe we should just ban all politicians from social media.  :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: team filler on August 20, 2018, 09:09:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCI8iaXv5Ag
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on August 21, 2018, 07:48:09 PM
Facebook Fueled Anti-Refugee Attacks in Germany, New Research Suggests (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/21/world/europe/facebook-refugee-attacks-germany.html)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on August 26, 2018, 04:56:40 AM
Listened to a podcast about Nicaragua yesterday, things are not good over there with 300 people killed in a matter of months because of the repression of a nationwide protest against president Ortega. Ortega started playing with fire when he ran for re-election against the limits set by constitution some years ago but the camel's back broke recently more on account of increasingly obvious nepotism and power concentrating into fewer and fewer hands : his current vice president (and possible successor candidate) is his wife, his children get to represent Nicaragua in international events over the foreign affairs minister or are in charge of negotiating huge infrastructure projects (notably the outline of a Nicaragua canal which a Chinese billionaires wanted to bankroll). Palace politics have gotten so bad that there's apparently conflicts between those talking to Ortega and those who have his wife's ear (as evidenced by recent negotiations with unions over divisive reforms of the social safety net).

Church tried to mediate talks but is now no longer trusted by Ortega and the Army explicitly said they were sitting this out.

The same show had a discussion about the country a year or so ago and the contrast was pretty stark.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on August 26, 2018, 07:10:59 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on August 26, 2018, 04:56:40 AM
Listened to a podcast about Nicaragua yesterday, things are not good over there with 300 people killed in a matter of months because of the repression of a nationwide protest against president Ortega. Ortega started playing with fire when he ran for re-election against the limits set by constitution some years ago but the camel's back broke recently more on account of increasingly obvious nepotism and power concentrating into fewer and fewer hands : his current vice president (and possible successor candidate) is his wife, his children get to represent Nicaragua in international events over the foreign affairs minister or are in charge of negotiating huge infrastructure projects (notably the outline of a Nicaragua canal which a Chinese billionaires wanted to bankroll). Palace politics have gotten so bad that there's apparently conflicts between those talking to Ortega and those who have his wife's ear (as evidenced by recent negotiations with unions over divisive reforms of the social safety net).

Church tried to mediate talks but is now no longer trusted by Ortega and the Army explicitly said they were sitting this out.

The same show had a discussion about the country a year or so ago and the contrast was pretty stark.
:snore

Does Ortega have any illegitimate children, mistresses, memes, crooked lawyers or tapes?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: team filler on August 26, 2018, 11:59:50 PM
Quote from: curly on August 21, 2018, 07:48:09 PM
Facebook Fueled Anti-Refugee Attacks in Germany, New Research Suggests (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/21/world/europe/facebook-refugee-attacks-germany.html)
I think maybe the mass sexual assault/rape event by refugee's on German women fueled that. Just maybe.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 27, 2018, 12:08:30 AM
You sure you think? 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: team filler on August 27, 2018, 12:40:43 AM
Not sure, ask all those German women who were assaulted and had their government pretend like it didn't happen.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on August 27, 2018, 12:42:28 AM
 ::)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: team filler on August 27, 2018, 12:45:39 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl04r1OjRQs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSbQLj_sDus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9vo8g8eVgo

could be this fueling attacks on refugees. Maybe there were good people on both sides  :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: team filler on August 27, 2018, 01:03:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KfA2wlbutM

I don't think this abuela is unreasonable at all.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mollys Fruity Loops on August 27, 2018, 06:47:29 AM
Quote from: filler on August 27, 2018, 01:03:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KfA2wlbutM

I don't think this abuela is unreasonable at all.

Those kids are so disrespectful  :yuck

But hey if its not in the MSM its not true right...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on August 27, 2018, 02:55:00 PM
A woman was allegedly harassed at a German festival by refugees last weekend but police say there is no evidence.
Next a multi-nationality knife fight broke out and two Germans got severely wounded and one died after he was fatally stabbed by Syrians and Iraqi's.

Now these dudes started protesting
https://twitter.com/FULLFRAMEBUZZ/status/1033884533991596033 (https://twitter.com/FULLFRAMEBUZZ/status/1033884533991596033)

https://twitter.com/felixhuesmann/status/1034120938776932352 (https://twitter.com/felixhuesmann/status/1034120938776932352)

There's also videos of these gestapo wannabe's beating up random people in the streets and the police yesterday as they gathered for this event.

Good job Merkel!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on August 27, 2018, 02:59:27 PM
Quote from: Mollys Fruity Loops on August 27, 2018, 06:47:29 AM
Quote from: filler on August 27, 2018, 01:03:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KfA2wlbutM

I don't think this abuela is unreasonable at all.

Those kids are so disrespectful  :yuck

But hey if its not in the MSM its not true right...

should the media be devoting more coverage to disrespectful teens
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on August 27, 2018, 03:10:08 PM
Quote from: curly on August 27, 2018, 02:59:27 PM
Quote from: Mollys Fruity Loops on August 27, 2018, 06:47:29 AM
Quote from: filler on August 27, 2018, 01:03:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KfA2wlbutM

I don't think this abuela is unreasonable at all.

Those kids are so disrespectful  :yuck

But hey if its not in the MSM its not true right...

should the media be devoting more coverage to disrespectful teens
One of the big problems for Europe is that 'shit' happens.
And the regular channels don't report on it. That's not only violence but also say protests in France or crucial EU votes.
In my country the head of public broadcasting said that he wanted to keep things 'fun'.

It's all swept under the rug. Sometimes if you want to see a EU press conference you have to turn to RT because they are the only ones carrying it.
The lack of media coverage is just opening the door for people to look for their news elsewhere.

The most striking example of this was the war in Ukraine and the protests in Greece.
If you watched local channels you'd think that Ukraine had a few protests in the capitol and I remember the reporter say: "Today it's relatively calm in Kiev and the rest of the country and people feel very confident in their new leadership!"
At the same time I had a live feed of a Ukraine/Russia border tank battle on my PC monitor.

If I didn't turn to Twitter I wouldn't know that there was a Festival stabbing in Germany and 1000's of Neo-Nazi's are marching in some city in protest.
Again, RT has a live feed of this shit. Sure, it's Russian propaganda to show how badly the EU is doing and that the degenerate fascists cannot control their citizens etc. but there is no 'counter' coverage of this event as it happens.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on August 27, 2018, 04:20:17 PM
Ok but the tweet you posted saying those neonazis were going around beating up anyone non-German was deleted. Not only that, it comes from an account called Full Frame Buzz, which 1) has 34 followers and 2) doesn't appear to be an actual news organization, just an account trying to pass itself off as one. So that's a tweet that even an apparently fake news agency felt the need to delete.

One bad news source doesn't seem like a big deal--there was a neonazi march, albeit (as far as I can tell) without mass violence. But look at the narrative you create out of one bad source and a stabbing at a festival, a seemingly pretty random and routine crime. Suddenly Germany is in crisis, conflict stalks the streets, anarchy is about to break out. All this despite the lowest crime rates in Germany in 30 years and crimes by refugees sharply down from their peak in 2016.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on August 27, 2018, 05:16:20 PM
Quote from: curly on August 27, 2018, 04:20:17 PM
Ok but the tweet you posted saying those neonazis were going around beating up anyone non-German was deleted. Not only that, it comes from an account called Full Frame Buzz, which 1) has 34 followers and 2) doesn't appear to be an actual news organization, just an account trying to pass itself off as one. So that's a tweet that even an apparently fake news agency felt the need to delete.
The German government made a statement condemning the violence and there's plenty of other accounts posting the same thing. This was just one of many that popped up.
That doesn't change the fact that it happened. The Afd also made a statement that they didn't partake in the violence (they held their smaller protests before the far right did).

Quote
One bad news source doesn't seem like a big deal--there was a neonazi march, albeit (as far as I can tell) without mass violence. But look at the narrative you create out of one bad source and a stabbing at a festival, a seemingly pretty random and routine crime. Suddenly Germany is in crisis, conflict stalks the streets, anarchy is about to break out. All this despite the lowest crime rates in Germany in 30 years and crimes by refugees sharply down from their peak in 2016.
I don't think we should have this trend where everything that happens in Europe becomes normalized or swept under the rug.

- Tanks in Ukraine? Ok, no big deal
- Racist violence or mass rape in Germany? Meh
- Terrorism in France? Jesus, again, we just had a mass casualty event last week not changing my Facebook avatar this week smh

Because 7 or 8 years ago, we didn't have this shit and now we just have to accept that this is the new status quo for the EU and I say fuck that.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on August 27, 2018, 06:09:33 PM
8 years ago Europe was in the middle of the worse economic crisis in 80 years, to put into perspective the crises of today. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on August 27, 2018, 06:25:24 PM
Quote from: curly on August 27, 2018, 06:09:33 PM
8 years ago Europe was in the middle of the worse economic crisis in 80 years, to put into perspective the crises of today.
Caused by pretty much the same idiots who run the shitshow today.

But German TV was sure to teach their citizens that Greeks were LAZY and the banks were really nice for lending them all that money at insane rates.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: HardcoreRetro on August 31, 2018, 04:15:36 AM
Geert Wilders "had" to pull his prophet Muhammed cartoon thing cause he was getting too many death threats.

Congratulations Islamic countries for proving him right. This crap only serves to bolster these far-right parties even more.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on August 31, 2018, 05:33:35 AM
I have a question for our Swedes. It's looking like it's pretty much going to be a deadlock with the Sweden Democrats holding the balance of power. I assume this means "Grand Coalition" as I can't find anything at all suggesting the two "alliances" will break their cordon sanitaire to deal with them. And literally no other combination of seats seems likely to be able to form a government.

If I'm not mistaken, your former union partner and neighbor had a similar situation with their Progress Party until it slightly moderated and no possible non-Left majority could be formed without it so they were finally accepted into government a few years back.

Is it still too early for that with the Democrats? Or are the Moderate-Centre-Liberal-Christian Democrats desperate enough to pull the trigger? Or at least reach some kind of supply support?

Any debates or anything coming up that the Democrats could use to reverse their slide and move back into second place to really fuck shit up? Can't seem to find English stories on if there's another debate or forum or some event or not.

Did find this from a poll last weekend:
Quote
A survey by the pollster Novus in August showed SD’s immigration policies had much more support among voters than those of any other party; it also ranked joint second on healthcare and a close third on law and order.
Last one seems to be a problem for them actually considering their main shtick.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: VomKriege on August 31, 2018, 05:37:41 AM
Microsoft will impose to it's US contractors to have 12 weeks of parental leave.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/30/microsoft-contractors-paid-parental-leave
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Brehvolution on August 31, 2018, 09:03:20 AM
https://twitter.com/ChrissieGrech/status/1034462848171343872
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: HardcoreRetro on August 31, 2018, 09:55:01 AM
Quote from: Exodust on August 31, 2018, 05:02:12 AM
Not really. If you keep choosing to do something that only serves to piss off large groups of people, and only do it to piss off large groups of people, don't be surprised when they get pissed off.

It doesn't personally affect me, but I've never seen a muhammad drawing that wasn't done to shit on people.

This dude is a far right shithead. Of course it's done to piss off people. It's also the reaction he wants.

"Look at how violent these people are over a harmless cartoon."

More and more people are voting for this guy and the other far right shithead we got. The Islamic people that just protest won't make the news. The ones sending death threats will though. Most of what people got to see here were brown skinned people burning Dutch flags.

Do you think the dude actually cared about the dumb contest? He already got what he wanted.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on August 31, 2018, 03:52:43 PM
It took the Dutch exactly 4 days to capitulate after the Pakistani's threatened with nukes.

Just sayin'
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on August 31, 2018, 06:22:27 PM
In Germany 10 - 15 Syrian refugees have stormed a nightclub with knifes and steel clubs. They fled the scene when the police arrived after shouting 'Alluah Ackbar' beating up a few people.
At first they managed to all escape but the next day one of them beat up a German in the streets and he was arrested and linked to the earlier incident and an earlier assault with a baseball bat.

Meanwhile soccer games have been cancelled in Eastern Germany as the police needs all their manpower to handle protests in the city of Chemnitz

Today at the central train station in Amsterdam police shot and wounded a 19 year old Afghan granted asylum by Germany who had stabbed two people at random.
The police doesn't rule out a terrorist motive.

This shit has got to stop.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: team filler on August 31, 2018, 06:30:02 PM
stop what? there are not any problems from refugees, people are just racist against them  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on August 31, 2018, 07:16:54 PM
Real question, anyone know any good documentaries about life as a refugee in Germany? Willing to read English subtitles. Also, how about some really long in-depth articles? I remember spending a few hours about life in a bad Chicago neighborhood and thinking "oh, now everything makes sense." Would like the same experience with this "situation", which is so far away from my comprehension I can't form any opinions about it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on August 31, 2018, 08:26:49 PM
Quote from: Shostakovich on August 31, 2018, 07:16:54 PM
Real question, anyone know any good documentaries about life as a refugee in Germany? Willing to read English subtitles. Also, how about some really long in-depth articles? I remember spending a few hours about life in a bad Chicago neighborhood and thinking "oh, now everything makes sense." Would like the same experience with this "situation", which is so far away from my comprehension I can't form any opinions about it.
In The Netherlands the government provides the following to any asylum seeker that awaits processing in an asylum center
- Allowance money
- Pass for public transit
- Food
- Shelter
- Education
- Free Wifi
- Healthcare (free)
- Dental care (free)

In The Netherlands the government provides the following to any asylum seeker that is either accepted (= has a legal status) or pending legal status after staying in the asylum centers
- Welfare benefits
- Healthcare (free)
- Dental care (free)
- Housing (paid for mostly by welfare benefits or highly subsidized)
- Appliances (free - if needed)
- Education (free)
- Language courses / get-to-know the country courses (paid - unless the refugee has no means to pay for it)
- Family reunion (basically any refugee is allowed to bring over their immediate family (kids/wife(sometimes underage), exceptions are also often granted for brothers, cousins, aunts, parents)
- Childcare benefits (basically every parent(except for the wealthy) receives government money to help pay for education, clothing, sports memberships, presents etc.)

What it can't provide
- Psychological help (mismanagement in this field has severely reduced this on a local level)
- Location of their own choosing (housing is provided by the government and thus refugees can't pick and choose the city they want to live (unless they arrange housing themselves after obtaining legal status)
- Protection for LGTBQ / Qurds / Christians in asylum centers (those people are often housed elsewhere to prevent 'conflicts' with the other refugees)

In Germany the rules are basically the same.
The above is why thousands of Africans voluntarily drown every week in order to reach the shores of Europe.

To get a legal status all you need to do is:
A. File the paperwork
B. Show the intend that you wish to learn the language
C. Pass a simple test
D. (in some cases) Produce evidence that shows that your own country is not safe to live in and that you are a political refugee (but only if your country is not on the list of known war zones or shit holes)
(by the definition we use in Holland a CNN reporter who has been called 'Enemy of the people' would be allowed to stay and obtain a legal status in the Netherlands)

What happens when you need to leave the country?
Usually processing asylum requests takes a lot of time. So by the time the 'decision' is made the refugees have found housing outside of the asylum centers.
They will receive a letter informing them that they have to leave the country by a certain date and in some cases travel expenses will be paid for.

In some cases they are taken to a detention center at the airport awaiting to be put on a flight back 'home'. But those are usually the ones who've already come in touch with the legal system in some way.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on August 31, 2018, 11:33:20 PM
I ask for an on-the-streets documentary and I got dutchposting  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: HardcoreRetro on September 01, 2018, 04:07:59 AM
Quote from: Exodust on August 31, 2018, 10:41:18 PM
Fair enough. All I saw was contest, muhammad drawing and jumped to conclusions.

It's not like I provided enough information in the first post for anyone to reach an informed conclusion anyways. My bad.

Quote from: Shostakovich on August 31, 2018, 11:33:20 PM
I ask for an on-the-streets documentary and I got dutchposting 

They're all people who all have their own experience. Some of the dutch tv-segments I saw were either refugees wearing "I love the Netherlands" shirts or refugees saying there's barely any support to help them integrate within our society.

You'd probably never get any real insight unless you actually live in places with refugee centers and even then they most likely wildly differ. (I'll try and see if there's any documentary worth a shit on the subject.)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on September 01, 2018, 04:50:11 AM
There is a really good one (but only in Dutch) that focuses on the struggles of atheist refugees that fled their religious homelands but then find themselves trapped in equally regressive communities because of their heritage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPkDpd1yelM

What I posted is not shitposting. For example, refugees receive a grant for furniture and appliances.
Varying from 3500 to 10000 euro depending on where they settle at an average of 6000 euro.
https://www.elsevierweekblad.nl/nederland/achtergrond/2016/05/tot-10-000-euro-asielzoekers-krijgen-shoptegoed-voor-nieuwe-woning-309925/ (https://www.elsevierweekblad.nl/nederland/achtergrond/2016/05/tot-10-000-euro-asielzoekers-krijgen-shoptegoed-voor-nieuwe-woning-309925/)

This is the breakdown for a particular city:
Furniture: 2739 euro
Curtains/flooring: 1525 euro
Bedspreads: 264 euro
Table ware: 128 euro
Cuttlery: 94 euro
Kitchen inventory: 137 euro
Washing and ironing supplies: 176 euro
Other items: 107 euro
Appliances: 2265 euro
Total: 7435 euro

In fact we're very proud that we take good care of the people that come here fleeing from war and other horrors but without proper security of Europe's outer borders it attracts people from 'safe' countries as well.
We've just recently put in place measures to deny economic migrants a legal status but in most cases they refuse to say where they come from so we can't send them back to their home countries.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Rufus on September 01, 2018, 09:10:36 AM
Quote from: HardcoreRetro on August 31, 2018, 09:55:01 AM
This dude is a far right shithead. Of course it's done to piss off people. It's also the reaction he wants.

"Look at how violent these people are over a harmless cartoon."

More and more people are voting for this guy and the other far right shithead we got. The Islamic people that just protest won't make the news. The ones sending death threats will though. Most of what people got to see here were brown skinned people burning Dutch flags.

Do you think the dude actually cared about the dumb contest? He already got what he wanted.
True. But now what? How do you stop religious extremists from being religious extremists?

This is a problem that takes generations to deal with, but people want immediate results and vote for populists who promise the impossible and/or want to erode moral standards for easier solutions. It is frustrating, top to bottom.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: jorma on September 01, 2018, 11:29:00 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on August 31, 2018, 05:33:35 AM
I have a question for our Swedes. It's looking like it's pretty much going to be a deadlock with the Sweden Democrats holding the balance of power. I assume this means "Grand Coalition" as I can't find anything at all suggesting the two "alliances" will break their cordon sanitaire to deal with them. And literally no other combination of seats seems likely to be able to form a government.

If I'm not mistaken, your former union partner and neighbor had a similar situation with their Progress Party until it slightly moderated and no possible non-Left majority could be formed without it so they were finally accepted into government a few years back.

Is it still too early for that with the Democrats? Or are the Moderate-Centre-Liberal-Christian Democrats desperate enough to pull the trigger? Or at least reach some kind of supply support?

Any debates or anything coming up that the Democrats could use to reverse their slide and move back into second place to really fuck shit up? Can't seem to find English stories on if there's another debate or forum or some event or not.

Did find this from a poll last weekend:
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A survey by the pollster Novus in August showed SD’s immigration policies had much more support among voters than those of any other party; it also ranked joint second on healthcare and a close third on law and order.
Last one seems to be a problem for them actually considering their main shtick.

Nah, it will probably mean a minority government just like we have now. Grand coalitions are for major crisis management, like a new world war or a clear and present russian threat.

The left wont ally with SD, the right block might in the future but that is at least one election away, and SD might implode before that.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Rufus on September 01, 2018, 02:39:32 PM
Quote from: jorma on September 01, 2018, 11:29:00 AM
Grand coalitions are for major crisis management, like a new world war or a clear and present russian threat.
I wish Germany operated that way. :goty2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on September 02, 2018, 05:37:41 PM
Quote
#BREAKING U.S., Canadian servicemen arrive in Donbas to plan, carry out Ukraine's offensive operation - self-proclaimed Donetsk republic
The source is Interfax. The Russian press agency.

Even for Russian standards, this is wild.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on September 03, 2018, 05:13:29 AM
Quote from: jorma on September 01, 2018, 11:29:00 AM
Nah, it will probably mean a minority government just like we have now. Grand coalitions are for major crisis management, like a new world war or a clear and present russian threat.

The left wont ally with SD, the right block might in the future but that is at least one election away, and SD might implode before that.
Didn't check regarding a minority, I always forget to do that. Interestingly, there hasn't been a minority where the largest party is under a hundred seats since 1921, the first election under universal suffrage, and with the Communists splitting away from the Social Democrats. As I'm sure you know, the Social Democrats are the only ones to ever form a minority government.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on September 03, 2018, 01:59:36 PM
https://twitter.com/MoscowTimes/status/1036548432247369730 (https://twitter.com/MoscowTimes/status/1036548432247369730)

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: team filler on September 03, 2018, 02:19:39 PM
russian fox n friends
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: team filler on September 03, 2018, 03:58:23 PM
https://twitter.com/CTVMontreal/status/1036227762791440385
 :doge

(https://i.imgur.com/EVYNDzY.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Assimilate on September 04, 2018, 07:44:41 PM
What's with the left liberals all over the world criticizing people, speaking down to them, but then always backing away from an actual conversation? This isn't just in the U.S it's global.

The right will have your fair share of stupid ignorant people but i've never seen anyone on the right refuse a debate or conversation regardless if they vehemently disagree or are really too ignorant to understand viewpoints... they do at least listen and discuss.

I wonder why that is

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on September 04, 2018, 10:23:06 PM
Macron at 31% disapproval rating, barely edging out Hollande who was at 32% at this point in his term.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Assimilate on September 06, 2018, 08:48:03 PM
Quote
What's with the left liberals all over the world criticizing people, speaking down to them, but then always backing away from an actual conversation? This isn't just in the U.S it's global.

The right will have your fair share of stupid ignorant people but i've never seen anyone on the right refuse a debate or conversation regardless if they vehemently disagree or are really too ignorant to understand viewpoints... they do at least listen and discuss.

I wonder why that is

And there it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r-ObtqdTm0

Brazil's right wing candidate was fucking stabbed by a left wing marxist. Unbelievable. When people think only the right can get crazy they need to look at other countries that have been run by socialists for a long time.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on September 07, 2018, 12:19:53 AM
Quote
   Current:
National conservatism
Fiscal conservatism
Economic liberalism
Brazilian nationalism
Right-wing populism
Militarism[3]
Anti-communism
Minority:
Monarchism[4][5][6]

Formerly:
Libertarianism
Social liberalism
Quote
Since Bolsonaro's entrance in the party, the party has changed much of its ideologies, abandoning its former social-liberal policies while keeping its economic liberal policies, supporting privatization and decentralization while at the same time adopting very conservative social policies, opposing same sex marriage, abortion, legalization of marijuana and the teaching of gender identity in schools.

lame, although as expected, it's doing well for him (except for the whole getting stabbed part)...though at least not well enough to look like he'll win the run-off :success
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Assimilate on September 07, 2018, 12:34:39 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 07, 2018, 12:19:53 AM
Quote
   Current:
National conservatism
Fiscal conservatism
Economic liberalism
Brazilian nationalism
Right-wing populism
Militarism[3]
Anti-communism
Minority:
Monarchism[4][5][6]

Formerly:
Libertarianism
Social liberalism
Quote
Since Bolsonaro's entrance in the party, the party has changed much of its ideologies, abandoning its former social-liberal policies while keeping its economic liberal policies, supporting privatization and decentralization while at the same time adopting very conservative social policies, opposing same sex marriage, abortion, legalization of marijuana and the teaching of gender identity in schools.

lame, although as expected, it's doing well for him (except for the whole getting stabbed part)...though at least not well enough to look like he'll win the run-off :success
In a country that has 19 of the 50 most violent cities in the world you think it's his traditional views on marriage that gets him these votes?

It's his tough stance on crime and the fact that he's not corrupt like 99% of politicians.  When people in the u.s say "he's a socialist commie!" we can laugh that person off as some right wing nut, but in this country it's probably true.

Brasil still has a ton of socialists and communists running for elections. The country has been on a socialist tailspin for 20+ years. Once the country of the future, now it's a complete shit hole with the left in power all this time.

Squandered opportunity. It's time for a change. Maybe not this guy, but definitely not anyone from the left.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on September 07, 2018, 12:44:52 AM
Quote from: Assimilate on September 07, 2018, 12:34:39 AM
In a country that has 19 of the 50 most violent cities in the world you think it's his traditional views on marriage that gets him these votes?
In the world's largest Roman Catholic country, with a growing set of evangelicals as their second place, I'd say it probably doesn't hurt.

Making harmless things illegal usually is a top favorite go-to for law and order fetishists too.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Rufus on September 07, 2018, 06:07:40 AM
Quote from: Assimilate on September 07, 2018, 12:34:39 AM
It's his tough stance on crime and the fact that he's not corrupt like 99% of politicians.
Let's wait a bit on that one. :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Broseidon on September 07, 2018, 01:29:59 PM
Shame it was just a poke :dislike
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Tiops on September 07, 2018, 01:33:01 PM
Bolsonaro is rising because the left is utter shit here, and his firm stance against criminality makes him an interesting candidate for the people. Of course he's sexist, homophobe and all that, but people are more worried about 70 thousand murders every year than the stupid things he says.

And yeah, Brazil is not the most progressive place in the world. But it's expected from fucked up third world countries.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on September 07, 2018, 10:31:05 PM
or maybe his supporters like the racism/homophobia/sexism/"let's shoot pt supporters!"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Assimilate on September 07, 2018, 10:38:48 PM
People think the guy is racist and homophobic because of some jabs he's thrown? Give me a break. Seriously, i didn't even know who the guy was until people started saying he's Latin Americas "TRUMP"

So i went and investigated. Half the shit people say about it is overblown. The left is always so worried about being offended that they rather vote in another corrupt marxist socialist than actually vote someone in that will try to fix the main issues facing the fucking country.

But oh nooo he offended gays!!!! It's so fucking dumb.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on September 08, 2018, 01:01:24 AM
What are his proposals to "fix the main issues"? I'd like to hear your outsider-insider version first before I consult the lamestream media. Or Glenn Greenwald who hates the guy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on September 08, 2018, 01:40:35 AM
You can't find bold policies like this anywhere else in Brazil:

Quote
Bolsonaro has spent his entire political career advocating violence against his political opponents and people he deems unworthy of the country he claims to love. In 1999, he said that the dictatorship “should have shot some 30,000 corrupt people, starting with President Fernando Henrique Cardoso.” He has repeatedly suggested that former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet, whose regime was accused of murdering 3,000 people and torturing 40,000 others, should have killed even more. He has denied that Brazil’s dictatorship tortured people.

Bolsonaro’s most ardent and direct calls for violence, though, are aimed at the leftist Workers’ Party, which under da Silva and his hand-picked successor, former President Rousseff, ruled Brazil from 2003 to 2016. During a campaign stop last week, he called for gunning down members of the PT, as the Workers’ Party is known.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on September 08, 2018, 12:58:22 PM
Didn't Brazil have all those scandals with oil companies and politicians doing their bidding?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Tiops on September 08, 2018, 01:36:39 PM
Quote from: curly on September 07, 2018, 10:31:05 PM
or maybe his supporters like the racism/homophobia/sexism/"let's shoot pt supporters!"

And making everything a simple situation like that is why we have Trump and Bolsonaro.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Tiops on September 08, 2018, 01:44:07 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 08, 2018, 01:01:24 AM
What are his proposals to "fix the main issues"? I'd like to hear your outsider-insider version first before I consult the lamestream media. Or Glenn Greenwald who hates the guy.

There's no solid proposal. He's just not involved in any of the corruption scandals here, is promising to have liberal economy stances (his economy ministry is very good at least and doesn't have the stupid/insane ideas that Bolsonaro have) and has firm stances agains criminality. Then you'll have people that likes his overly conservative stances voting for him and people that aknowledges he's all those bad things but is turning a blind eye to that due to him being the only right wing/economic liberal candidate with chances to win.

And just to clarify, I'm not voting for him (at least not in the first phase. I'll gladly vote for him in the second phase if he's running against Lula's puppet).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on September 08, 2018, 02:22:10 PM
Old, but I only learned of this recently:

"At the beginning of the Lybian conflict, authorities discovered and seized roughly $67 billion of Gaddafi's wealth hidden in bank accounts around the globe. England, France, Italy and Germany seized another $30 billion and the Obama administration found a staggering $37 billion in the United States. Investigators suspect that Gaddafi hid an additional $30 billion around the world."

fucking murder people so you can steal their money, brehs
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nabbis on September 08, 2018, 02:25:01 PM
Do they plan on returning that money to Libya once this shit settles?  :-*
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on September 08, 2018, 02:26:16 PM
yeah don't worry it's just in safe keeping for now

like your social security contributions
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: curly on September 08, 2018, 03:32:21 PM
Quote from: Tiops on September 08, 2018, 01:36:39 PM
Quote from: curly on September 07, 2018, 10:31:05 PM
or maybe his supporters like the racism/homophobia/sexism/"let's shoot pt supporters!"

And making everything a simple situation like that is why we have Trump and Bolsonaro.

Trump led with Mexicans are rapists, my dude. It takes some really tortured logic not to see that the racism is a plus for his base.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Assimilate on September 08, 2018, 04:21:38 PM
Quote from: Tiops on September 08, 2018, 01:44:07 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 08, 2018, 01:01:24 AM
What are his proposals to "fix the main issues"? I'd like to hear your outsider-insider version first before I consult the lamestream media. Or Glenn Greenwald who hates the guy.

There's no solid proposal. He's just not involved in any of the corruption scandals here, is promising to have liberal economy stances (his economy ministry is very good at least and doesn't have the stupid/insane ideas that Bolsonaro have) and has firm stances agains criminality. Then you'll have people that likes his overly conservative stances voting for him and people that aknowledges he's all those bad things but is turning a blind eye to that due to him being the only right wing/economic liberal candidate with chances to win.

And just to clarify, I'm not voting for him (at least not in the first phase. I'll gladly vote for him in the second phase if he's running against Lula's puppet).
Exactly my dude. I'm with you.

Quote from: curly on September 08, 2018, 03:32:21 PM
Quote from: Tiops on September 08, 2018, 01:36:39 PM
Quote from: curly on September 07, 2018, 10:31:05 PM
or maybe his supporters like the racism/homophobia/sexism/"let's shoot pt supporters!"

And making everything a simple situation like that is why we have Trump and Bolsonaro.

Trump led with Mexicans are rapists, my dude. It takes some really tortured logic not to see that the racism is a plus for his base.
curly don't be a fucking moron. You can't win an election with only crazies. Trump didn't win just with racists bigots.

Bolsonaro will win because people are sick and tired of corruption, sick and tired of the immense violence. All that other dumb shit about LGBTQ and whatever else is to rally his base enough to support him, and then he takes a more moderate stance like he's already doing. There's 3 main issues: Violence/Crime, Corruption, and Economy.

Everything else at this moment is trivial. Putting another left wing socialist cunt in power is the worst thing that could happen to this country and so voting for someone like Bolsonaro might be the only option- this is why he has the support of virtually all educated males in the country.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on September 08, 2018, 07:18:26 PM
Quote from: Shostakovich on September 08, 2018, 02:22:10 PM
Old, but I only learned of this recently:

"At the beginning of the Lybian conflict, authorities discovered and seized roughly $67 billion of Gaddafi's wealth hidden in bank accounts around the globe. England, France, Italy and Germany seized another $30 billion and the Obama administration found a staggering $37 billion in the United States. Investigators suspect that Gaddafi hid an additional $30 billion around the world."

fucking murder people so you can steal their money, brehs
They murdered Gadaffi to get elected (Sarkozy and Clinton did). Sid Blumenthal was frothing at the mouth at the thought of being her secretary of state after he made her 'own' Libya.

It basically went like this:
- The Europeans led by Sarkozy wanted to attack Gadaffi because oil, him trying to create a new African currency backed by his vast gold reserves and reasons
- The Europeans didn't have the firepower to sustain a bombing campaign for more than 2 days.
- Obama was opposed to acting in Libya as he feared another Iraq or worse, Afghanistan
- Sid Blumenthal told Clinton it was a great idea to tie her wagon to the Libyan cause. After all it would improve Obama's poll numbers and her stature
- Clinton convinced Obama into taking action in Libya. Military assured Obama it would be an easy victory
- Watered down UN resolution condemning Gadaffi and calling for a no fly zone passes with Russian and Chinese support
- US and EU (basically NATO) used the ambigious UN resolution to bomb Libya
- Russia protests
- Gadaffi flees, is spotted by NATO and bombed
- Rebels catch up with his bombed convoy and rape him on live TV and then murder him and throw him in a ditch
- "We came we saw he died" - Hillary Rodham Clinton

Also the western powers armed the 'popular uprising' much like they would in Syria.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Rufus on September 08, 2018, 08:01:47 PM
I'm starting to believe he gets all his news from Twitter dweebs.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: team filler on September 08, 2018, 09:02:17 PM
 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Tiops on September 08, 2018, 11:12:44 PM
Quote from: Stro on September 08, 2018, 07:52:02 PM
I'm starting to believe that Filler's likes are not done in good faith

Are you insinuating that my posts aren't of the highest quality? Because I assumed filler likes meant that.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on September 09, 2018, 08:38:27 AM
https://twitter.com/JoN_TM/status/1038696064537309184 (https://twitter.com/JoN_TM/status/1038696064537309184)

The car of the Moldovan president has been **accidentally** hit by a Kamaz truck

President is hospitalized
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: FatRiker on September 09, 2018, 09:13:11 AM
Quote from: Nintex on September 09, 2018, 08:38:27 AM
The car of the Moldovan president has been **accidentally** hit by a Kamaz truck

President is hospitalized
What did he do to piss off Putin?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on September 09, 2018, 03:12:02 PM
https://twitter.com/Nordic_News/status/1038865889024716801 (https://twitter.com/Nordic_News/status/1038865889024716801)

Good thing they mention that the results are not in danger.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
That would be a shame
 :putin
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: sinxtanx on September 09, 2018, 04:42:07 PM
sweden predominantly uses paper votes counted by hand

hack that with a computer
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on September 09, 2018, 05:13:43 PM
Quote from: sinxtanx on September 09, 2018, 04:42:07 PM
sweden predominantly uses paper votes counted by hand

hack that with a computer
But that's the sort of election rigging he got to practice for years.

(https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article14524092.ece/alternates/FREE_660/TH19-CITY_RUSSIA-PUTIN_VOTES)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on September 10, 2018, 12:54:55 AM
Riksdag with the two alliances and the Swedish Democrats (yellow) in the middle:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/Riksdag_Alliances_2018.svg/350px-Riksdag_Alliances_2018.svg.png)

Swedish Democrats: +13 seats (+4.7 points)
Centre: +9 (+2.3)
Left: +7 (+2.2)
Christian Democrats: +7 (+1.8)

Green Party: -10 (-2.6)
Social Democrats: -12 (-2.6)
Moderates: -13 (-3.5)

The two alliances:
The Alliance (Right leaners): +2 seats (+0.9 points)
Red-Greens (Left leaners): -15 seats (-2.9 points)

So, should be pretty fun...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on September 10, 2018, 11:57:03 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLPQYqINj3w

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on September 11, 2018, 05:26:06 PM
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1039624412457250816 (https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1039624412457250816)

 :gbcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on September 12, 2018, 01:54:36 PM
https://twitter.com/Europarl_EN/status/1039902067513597955 (https://twitter.com/Europarl_EN/status/1039902067513597955)

This looks fucking depressing and creepy.
The EU government in Brussels is basically ResetEra in parliamentary form now.
They don't show up to vote and they REEEEE all day.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dm4uvQeWsAASllS.jpg:large)

Today, apart from giving Juncker rhetorical blowjobs they could vent at Viktor Orban who was the main attraction.
As the entire parliament had a chance to vote on a motion to PUNISH Hungary for not doing what the crazy REEEEing Greens want.
The woman who filed the motion cried when it was adopted and someone filmed it with a fucking iPad.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dm6Qaz1X4AAJn35.jpg:large)

https://twitter.com/lukeming/status/1039570616746168321 (https://twitter.com/lukeming/status/1039570616746168321)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mandark on September 12, 2018, 02:08:14 PM
nintex butthurt
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on September 12, 2018, 02:13:33 PM
Windex's triggers are so predictable
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on September 12, 2018, 02:23:23 PM
I'm especially pissed at the EU boomers today for approving this shit
https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/12/17849868/eu-internet-copyright-reform-article-11-13-approved (https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/12/17849868/eu-internet-copyright-reform-article-11-13-approved)

Which is the fucking worst idea ever.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dm6ZLmBW4AIwRXl.jpg:large)

What sort of dystopian USSR hell is this.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on September 12, 2018, 02:44:32 PM
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/514vU-m6ulL._SX329_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)

Consolidating control of the new media through a "link tax" :aah
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Brehvolution on September 12, 2018, 02:59:09 PM
Quote
Good job we didn’t come up against an individual such as Orban.

Good jon.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Rufus on September 12, 2018, 03:11:05 PM
Quote from: Nintex on September 12, 2018, 02:23:23 PM
I'm especially pissed at the EU boomers today for approving this shit
https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/12/17849868/eu-internet-copyright-reform-article-11-13-approved (https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/12/17849868/eu-internet-copyright-reform-article-11-13-approved)

Which is the fucking worst idea ever.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dm6ZLmBW4AIwRXl.jpg:large)

What sort of dystopian USSR hell is this.  :doge
When venal olds preside over new technologies. :goty2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: shosta on September 12, 2018, 03:12:32 PM
Quote from: Rufus on September 12, 2018, 03:11:05 PM
When venal olds preside over new technologies. :goty2
Thinking they won't just be replaced by new authoritarians  :heyman
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mollys Fruity Loops on September 12, 2018, 07:18:31 PM
Quote from: Nintex on September 12, 2018, 02:23:23 PM
I'm especially pissed at the EU boomers today for approving this shit
https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/12/17849868/eu-internet-copyright-reform-article-11-13-approved (https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/12/17849868/eu-internet-copyright-reform-article-11-13-approved)

Which is the fucking worst idea ever.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dm6ZLmBW4AIwRXl.jpg:large)

What sort of dystopian USSR hell is this.  :doge

Wow!

These people are not clueless - they know what they are doing.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dm5tD2rXsAAWH_D.jpg)

Axel Voss - what a twat.

How anyone can be pro EU after this?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Rufus on September 12, 2018, 08:16:27 PM
By not being a petulant child about its downsides.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Atramental on September 12, 2018, 08:45:00 PM
lol no more memes for europe.  :smug
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: TVC15 on September 12, 2018, 08:54:05 PM
Lol and Europeans were all high and mighty about how great GDPR was just a few months ago. I hope they enjoy their neutered internet.

Now I guess I have to stay in the US because I need real internet. I guess I can move to a non-EU country. Like Thailand.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: team filler on September 13, 2018, 01:10:59 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/tx3WJfx.jpg) :smug
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mollys Fruity Loops on September 13, 2018, 12:29:51 PM
Quote from: Rufus on September 12, 2018, 08:16:27 PM
By not being a petulant child about its downsides.

Censoring online communication is a pretty BIG downside.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dm7ITXlW4AA3rQu.jpg:large)



Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Nintex on September 13, 2018, 03:07:36 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dm6Sr8QWsAAnPlV.jpg:large)

Of course it was a german who killed the internet.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: team filler on September 13, 2018, 03:58:36 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/cAp7SBq.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: team filler on September 13, 2018, 07:01:50 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/gbu9kOb.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on September 13, 2018, 09:43:43 PM
Thank god, memes are the worst. All reputable forums have already banned memes anyway tho
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on September 14, 2018, 02:27:38 AM
Quote from: Mollys Fruity Loops on September 12, 2018, 07:18:31 PM
Quote from: Nintex on September 12, 2018, 02:23:23 PM
I'm especially pissed at the EU boomers today for approving this shit
https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/12/17849868/eu-internet-copyright-reform-article-11-13-approved (https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/12/17849868/eu-internet-copyright-reform-article-11-13-approved)

Which is the fucking worst idea ever.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dm6ZLmBW4AIwRXl.jpg:large)

What sort of dystopian USSR hell is this.  :doge

Wow!

These people are not clueless - they know what they are doing.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dm5tD2rXsAAWH_D.jpg)

Axel Voss - what a twat.

How anyone can be pro EU after this?
I mean, if the type of memes the continent is posting are captioned with dialogue from the worst Lucas Star Wars film...maybe reasonable restrictions on meme usage and ownership should be considered.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: benjipwns on September 14, 2018, 02:29:12 AM
Quote from: Nintex on September 12, 2018, 01:54:36 PM
The woman who filed the motion cried when it was adopted and someone filmed it with a fucking iPad.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dm6Qaz1X4AAJn35.jpg:large)
this kinda thing makes me laugh though, i approve of more Nintex content like this
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Atramental on September 14, 2018, 07:52:51 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/ZTKX0MI.jpg)

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Assimilate on September 14, 2018, 02:49:51 PM
Quote from: Stro on September 13, 2018, 08:06:50 AM

(https://cdn1.img.sputniknews.com/images/106782/92/1067829222.jpg)
why hasn't this been converted into a bore emoji yet?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
Post by: Mollys Fruity Loops on September 14, 2018, 07:37:44 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on September 13, 2018, 09:43:43 PM
Thank god, memes are the worst. All reputable forums have already banned memes anyway tho

Yay censorship!  :comeon

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dm44yksW4AAwDMq.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dm5ULw5W0AAwyMV.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnDeuOFW4AAP4a-.jpg)

The link tax is downright insane.

It's a calculated attempt by corrupt corporate lobbyists to suppress information, under the guise of copyright laws.



Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Nintex on September 14, 2018, 07:48:53 PM
The two word rule is fucking dumb as well.

notax (http://www.thebore.com)

taxes apply (http://www.thebore.com)

I will just remove all the spaces motherfuckers

 :putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Mollys Fruity Loops on September 14, 2018, 08:47:57 PM
Quote from: Nintex on September 14, 2018, 07:48:53 PM
The two word rule is fucking dumb as well.

notax (http://www.thebore.com)

taxes apply (http://www.thebore.com)

I will just remove all the spaces motherfuckers

 :putin

Not dumb if the idea is to stifle the spread of information that goes against the status quo.

I wonder how these people will be voting in the future? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBphJanne1A)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: curly on September 14, 2018, 09:04:21 PM
hmmm at first it sounded like a bad idea but after the last page I'm coming around
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: curly on September 15, 2018, 08:39:15 PM
https://twitter.com/DavorKunc/status/1040962515742666753
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: shosta on September 15, 2018, 08:55:25 PM
proud nato ally
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Mandark on September 15, 2018, 09:54:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMbVpbIBnWs
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: team filler on September 15, 2018, 11:05:31 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/3tayNsc.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: team filler on September 16, 2018, 03:14:53 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/hNwNJwZ.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: curly on September 16, 2018, 02:00:56 PM
Quote from: filler on September 16, 2018, 03:14:53 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/hNwNJwZ.jpg)

one can hope
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Assimilate on September 17, 2018, 09:20:20 AM
Quote from: filler on September 16, 2018, 03:14:53 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/hNwNJwZ.jpg)

 :lol

that's brutal


Quote from: curly on September 16, 2018, 02:00:56 PM
Quote from: filler on September 16, 2018, 03:14:53 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/hNwNJwZ.jpg)

one can hope

 :foodcourt

why?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Nintex on September 22, 2018, 11:59:44 AM
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1043517351491252229 (https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1043517351491252229)

Things are heating up in the Middle East again.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: benjipwns on September 23, 2018, 06:34:41 AM
Klassiskt liberala partiet ("The Classical Liberal Party") increased its number of votes for the fourth straight Swedish general election! A 25% increase over 2014! At this rate they'll be the largest party in Sweden when the Romulan War breaks out!

But in news weirdos care about:
Quote
The Sweden Democrats have stated they will vote for the candidate from the centre-right alliance bloc in Monday’s vote to confirm the new speaker of parliament.
The announcement means that Andreas Norlén of the Moderate party is expected to be chosen as parliamentary speaker.

“Of the two nominated candidates from the Social Democrats and Moderates, we have made the active choice to vote for the Moderate candidate. We believe the Moderates are the party best-placed to lead a government in any constellation, given the parliamentary situation,” Sweden Democrat (SD) leader Jimmie Ĺkesson said in a statement.

The SD leader said that attempts had been made “as far as possible in this situation” to follow the tradition of giving the speaker’s position to the largest party in government.

Usually, the speaker is a member of Sweden's largest political party or bloc, meaning that after the September 9th election, a Social Democrat candidate would have been expected.

The role is a key one, as it is the speaker who puts a proposal for the new prime minister to parliament.
Apparently the Social Democrats and The Alliance (right coalition) have discussed an Alliance minority with SocDem support in exchange for unspecific concessions. If only to try and head off the Swedish Democrats from doing more of this.

Disclaimer: I have past instances of misreading thelocal.se articles correctly.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: benjipwns on September 23, 2018, 06:41:54 AM
In Assi's backyard, Bolsonaro's first round numbers have shot up since getting stabbed, so...keep that in mind if you ever want to run for President of Brazil.

On the other hand, so have Haddad's (Worker's Party...Lula/Dilma) so everybody wins!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Assimilate on September 23, 2018, 06:56:14 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 23, 2018, 06:41:54 AM
In Assi's backyard, Bolsonaro's first round numbers have shot up since getting stabbed, so...keep that in mind if you ever want to run for President of Brazil.

On the other hand, so have Haddad's (Worker's Party...Lula/Dilma) so everybody wins!
The best thing this country could do would be to vote for Alkmin, but since this country is filled with idiots that won't happen. So, the next best thing to do to avoid a total shit show would be to stay somewhat moderate and vote for Ciro, which is probably what i should do for the sake of better odds.

But this is Brazil. This is going to get ugly and so we will have Bolsonoaro and Haddad in the second round for sure.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: benjipwns on September 23, 2018, 07:16:23 AM
From the head-to-head polling there is a suggestion that nobody truly likes the idea of Haddad and Bolsonaro as their two choices, they'd prefer someone else be the other candidate or both, but they aren't decided enough on who to advance that other candidate to the second round. Almost as if for lots of voters who do like Haddad or Bolsonaro but would never even consider the other, their second choices are generally Gomes/Alckmin/Silva to where those candidates could plausibly win the second round but they aren't ever going to get there.

The French may claim to have some tips for dealing with this but don't trust em!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Nintex on September 23, 2018, 11:15:49 AM
Seems like Africa has made a mistake.
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1043851224293036032 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1043851224293036032)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Assimilate on September 23, 2018, 11:47:57 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 23, 2018, 07:16:23 AM
From the head-to-head polling there is a suggestion that nobody truly likes the idea of Haddad and Bolsonaro as their two choices, they'd prefer someone else be the other candidate or both, but they aren't decided enough on who to advance that other candidate to the second round. Almost as if for lots of voters who do like Haddad or Bolsonaro but would never even consider the other, their second choices are generally Gomes/Alckmin/Silva to where those candidates could plausibly win the second round but they aren't ever going to get there.

Yup.

And if it comes down to Haddad or Bolsonaro i'm going for Bolsonaro.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 25, 2018, 03:27:00 AM
No Brexiter ever has ever explained how there can be no border in Ireland.

If the whole point of Brexit is to have borders again, then how can they keep saying 6 months before the exit they still believe there wont be a border.

Its fucking disgusting and mental and I can't believe they don't get called out on it even more.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Raist on September 25, 2018, 07:57:35 AM
Expect brits to make sense brehs.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: VomKriege on September 25, 2018, 11:46:26 AM
Manuel Valls, former socialist prime minister of France, current member of French parliament... Is apparently planning to run for mayorship in Barcelona (yes that one in Catalunya). I couldn't presume to be an expert on Spanish politics, but as far as I know he doesn't have a strong political network there and he's already caught some verbal flak (by Puigdemont : "He's legally entitled to be candidate but he doesn't know the city. He knows France. To judge the man, just listen to what French citizens think of him", to paraphrase. As you would guess, Valls isn't terribly popular here). He was born there and I guess he has personal history with the city but it's hard to imagine he has any chance and it feels a bit arrogant to insert one self like this... Valls has never insulted his heritage, quite the contrary, but he's also always have been pretty aggressively French, in that tone of France being the vanguard for universalism and the Rights of Men, revolutionary prototypes for citizens of the world, secularism and national security.

I don't know what to think of it. Could be the height of hubris, could be exemplary Europeanism, probably both. Maybe he figures he has a chance because of the agitated situation (the recent autonomist crisis is out of the spotlight and on the backburner without having been really closed).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Nintex on September 25, 2018, 03:39:15 PM
Quote from: Premium Lager on September 25, 2018, 03:27:00 AM
No Brexiter ever has ever explained how there can be no border in Ireland.

If the whole point of Brexit is to have borders again, then how can they keep saying 6 months before the exit they still believe there wont be a border.

Its fucking disgusting and mental and I can't believe they don't get called out on it even more.
Don't worry Bojo will explain everything in a column that offends everybody.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 27, 2018, 04:57:15 AM
Who is buying into bojo reese mogg etc? Hard to imagine
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: team filler on September 29, 2018, 02:15:27 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/EDVNaKc.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Nintex on September 29, 2018, 10:32:32 AM
The Russians are carving up Ukraine in their state sponsored talk shows.
It seems like they want to annex certain provinces and leave a rump state for Poroshenko and friends.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DoQI4yAXsAAR2Ay.jpg:large)

"elections" are scheduled in the separatist republic for November 11th.
The party congress of the communists was blown up today. 
https://twitter.com/SputnikInt/status/1046029631957217282 (https://twitter.com/SputnikInt/status/1046029631957217282)

Another 'candidate' had his TV stations turned off and his wife is missing
https://twitter.com/Hromadske/status/1045997522836172800 (https://twitter.com/Hromadske/status/1045997522836172800)

:putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: team filler on September 30, 2018, 09:15:03 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/H7UGX8d.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: curly on October 01, 2018, 02:57:44 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DoXEV4VXoAAU2jB.jpg:large)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: VomKriege on October 01, 2018, 03:56:07 AM
Russian TV is a safe space to peddle any kind of crazy stuff as long as it doesn't push against the state. An example was a talk show where they suggested the UK losing the World Cup bid to Russia was their motivation to accuse Russia of the nerve agent assassination attempt.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Rufus on October 01, 2018, 01:25:06 PM
Quote from: curly on October 01, 2018, 02:57:44 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DoXEV4VXoAAU2jB.jpg)
Way old, but appropriate:
https://twitter.com/ladyhaja/status/1024068306578362368
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: team filler on October 02, 2018, 02:32:43 AM
https://www.facebook.com/vlbelang/videos/244264792953627/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Nintex on October 02, 2018, 07:56:40 PM
Quote from: filler on October 02, 2018, 02:32:43 AM
https://www.facebook.com/vlbelang/videos/244264792953627/
I remember this from Tomb Raider and Resident Evil 4.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: team filler on October 03, 2018, 12:28:53 AM
Quote from: Nintex on October 02, 2018, 07:56:40 PM
Quote from: filler on October 02, 2018, 02:32:43 AM
https://www.facebook.com/vlbelang/videos/244264792953627/
I remember this from Tomb Raider and Resident Evil 4.
https://www.facebook.com/vc.igwemezie.education/videos/421303698395702/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Nintex on October 03, 2018, 08:00:26 AM
Quote from: filler on October 03, 2018, 12:28:53 AM
Quote from: Nintex on October 02, 2018, 07:56:40 PM
Quote from: filler on October 02, 2018, 02:32:43 AM
https://www.facebook.com/vlbelang/videos/244264792953627/
I remember this from Tomb Raider and Resident Evil 4.
https://www.facebook.com/vc.igwemezie.education/videos/421303698395702/
It's pretty remarkable that after being looted by Europe, The United States and the Soviet Union now the Chinese have started to extort, bribe and colonize Africa.
Like the go to place for new super powers after they're bored pissing off their own citizens.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Nintex on October 03, 2018, 11:05:22 AM
This is a thing  :doge
https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/1044840366250356736 (https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/1044840366250356736)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Assimilate on October 03, 2018, 12:15:59 PM
Bolsonaro pulls ahead of second round projected poll numbers. Brazil market rallies.

This is both good and bad. On one hand bad since I earn in dollar, dollar decreases in value, I am less rich here, but good since who knows if the economy truly bounces back to mid 2000 levels if he wins.

My selfish reasons vs health of the nation
 :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Nintex on October 03, 2018, 12:31:59 PM
Quote from: Assimilate on October 03, 2018, 12:15:59 PM
Bolsonaro pulls ahead of second round projected poll numbers. Brazil market rallies.

This is both good and bad. On one hand bad since I earn in dollar, dollar decreases in value, I am less rich here, but good since who knows if the economy truly bounces back to mid 2000 levels if he wins.

My selfish reasons vs health of the nation
 :thinking
*Googles*
Quote
Mr Bolsonaro once told a congresswoman she was not worth raping
:doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Assimilate on October 03, 2018, 01:00:50 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 03, 2018, 12:31:59 PM

Quote
Mr Bolsonaro once told a congresswoman she was not worth raping
:doge
He did. The woman was calling him a 'rapist of humanity' because he wanted a rapist that beheaded a 16 year old girl be tried as an adult while this ex communist 'human rights' cunt Maria do Rosario defended the rapist because he was a minor and therefore should be charged as a minor. This is how all of that started. She also provoked him on multiple occasions, and finally on camera, Bolsonaro snapped.

The "rights of humans" groups in this country is filled with ideological whack jobs (much like the gender studies/social warrior academic departments in U.S universities) that continue to let the country slide further into chaos. People here do not fear punishment, they do not fear jail time. It's a running joke in this country that every Brazilian is born with the right to murder 1 person lol I fucking kid you not.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Nintex on October 04, 2018, 05:39:17 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DosXbDtW4AACb-c.jpg:large)

Wow, that's unlucky.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: shosta on October 04, 2018, 06:49:54 PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Kara on October 04, 2018, 09:52:49 PM
*does jerk off motion until the end of time*

https://www.fincen.gov/news/news-releases/fincen-advisory-warns-risks-linked-corruption-nicaragua
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: zepblackstar on October 05, 2018, 07:45:12 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/05/brazil-elections-prospect-of-bolsonaro-victory-stokes-fears-of-return-to-dicatorship

Quote
Brazil elections: prospect of Bolsonaro victory stokes fears of return to dictatorship
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Assimilate on October 05, 2018, 09:19:09 PM
Quote from: zepblackstar on October 05, 2018, 07:45:12 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/05/brazil-elections-prospect-of-bolsonaro-victory-stokes-fears-of-return-to-dicatorship

Quote
Brazil elections: prospect of Bolsonaro victory stokes fears of return to dictatorship
This is complete nonsense. The guy is ex military, yes, so he doesn't shit on his own military, but to say he will be the second coming of Hilter or take democracy away is complete bullshit.

This country suffers from socialist/communist thinking. I've sat next to people that have said "Brazil could be more like Cuba" with a serious face, as if Cuba is something to strive for.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: VomKriege on October 06, 2018, 04:59:58 AM
Meng Hongwei, the President of Interpol, has been missing for a week or so since he landed in his native China from Lyon (where Interpol is headquartered). A HK newspaper now claims he has been arrested and his name was allegedly censured on Sino social networks. France has opened an investigation.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Nintex on October 06, 2018, 08:15:32 AM
Juncker is such a dumb motherfucker.
https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1048500886690041856 (https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1048500886690041856)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: team filler on October 06, 2018, 04:38:45 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/tku8seU.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Kara on October 06, 2018, 08:32:06 PM
https://www.npr.org/2018/10/05/654851055/former-south-korean-president-sentenced-to-15-years-in-prison-on-corruption-char
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Assimilate on October 06, 2018, 08:49:05 PM
So tomorrow is the day.

I still haven't decided on who I will vote for. I was waiting on the last min poll numbers to come out.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: VomKriege on October 07, 2018, 01:42:59 PM
China confirms the President of Interpol is suspected of "breaking the law" and under investigation, but without further precisions or telling if he is in custody.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Nintex on October 07, 2018, 01:46:54 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on October 07, 2018, 01:42:59 PM
China confirms the President of Interpol is suspected of "breaking the law" and under investigation, but without further precisions or telling if he is in custody.
Custody? He's probably sharing a diplomatic bag with that Saudi.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: team filler on October 07, 2018, 02:49:21 PM
Quote from: Assimilate on October 06, 2018, 08:49:05 PM
So tomorrow is the day.

I still haven't decided on who I will vote for. I was waiting on the last min poll numbers to come out.
from everything I've read. seems like trying to pick the lesser of two evils, either way you lose  :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Assimilate on October 07, 2018, 02:59:41 PM
im' about to walk over to the polling place.

I'm still undecided. it's a tough choice.

for me it's either I go center-left with Ciro Gomez. A very intelligent guy but a bit too cozy with the party responsible for this countries problems or I go with Bolsonaro.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Nintex on October 07, 2018, 03:06:50 PM
Quote from: Assimilate on October 07, 2018, 02:59:41 PM
im' about to walk over to the polling place.

I'm still undecided. it's a tough choice.

for me it's either I go center-left with Ciro Gomez. A very intelligent guy but a bit too cozy with the party responsible for this countries problems or I go with Bolsonaro.
We've nearly proven this facade we call life is a simulation brother. We just need one more nutjob in office.  ;)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Nintex on October 07, 2018, 04:21:08 PM
https://twitter.com/OSCE_RFoM/status/1048960689145090049 (https://twitter.com/OSCE_RFoM/status/1048960689145090049)
Another journalist killed. That makes 3 killed journalists investigating EU corruption who've been offed so far.
She was investigation fraud with EU funds in Bulgaria.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: zepblackstar on October 07, 2018, 05:28:28 PM
I am shooked

Quote
One of Brazil’s most prominent political journalists, Ricardo Noblat, is now reporting that presidential exit polls (which are due out in about 40 minutes) will suggest a first round victory for the far-right candidate Jair Bolsonaro.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/oct/08/brazil-election-2018-polls-close-after-chaotic-and-unpredictable-campaign-live?page=with:block-5bba781de4b0b8830be6b533#block-5bba781de4b0b8830be6b533
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Assimilate on October 07, 2018, 06:10:23 PM
Quote from: zepblackstar on October 07, 2018, 05:28:28 PM
I am shooked

Quote
One of Brazil’s most prominent political journalists, Ricardo Noblat, is now reporting that presidential exit polls (which are due out in about 40 minutes) will suggest a first round victory for the far-right candidate Jair Bolsonaro.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/oct/08/brazil-election-2018-polls-close-after-chaotic-and-unpredictable-campaign-live?page=with:block-5bba781de4b0b8830be6b533#block-5bba781de4b0b8830be6b533
Nope.

Now it's a fucking runoff at the end of the month and I'll have sit in that fucking line again.

 I'm now all in on Bolsonaro because the other choice is this fuck Haddad.
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Post by: Nintex on October 07, 2018, 06:22:16 PM
half the vote counted. Bolsonaro might win this outright

https://twitter.com/mialberti/status/1049059047629094913 (https://twitter.com/mialberti/status/1049059047629094913)
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Post by: zepblackstar on October 07, 2018, 06:40:32 PM
71% in and he has 48.5%
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Post by: Assimilate on October 07, 2018, 07:20:24 PM
what a turn of events if he won outright but it doesn't look like it will happen
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Post by: benjipwns on October 08, 2018, 02:31:38 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/07/world/europe/latvia-election-russia.html
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e Baltic state of Latvia, governed since the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union by political forces inclined toward Europe and wary of Russia, on Sunday became the latest country whiplashed by rising populism with the announcement of election results that showed strong support for pro-Russia and anti-establishment parties.

The results delivered a serious blow to mainstream politicians and opened the way for coalition talks that, for the first time, could lead to a government that includes Harmony Center, a Moscow-friendly party that until this year had a cooperation agreement with Russia’s ruling party, United Russia.

Not only did Harmony win nearly 20 percent of the vote, the most in the parliamentary election held Saturday, but it was followed in second place by a new anti-establishment party. The party, KPV LV — Who Owns the State — is led by Artuss Kaimins, a flamboyant former actor turned unruly politician whose critics in Latvia deride him as “our Donald Trump.”

Public discontent with Latvia’s traditional parties has been fed in recent months by a series of scandals that have left the governor of the central bank under investigation for corruption and led to the collapse of ABLV, the country’s largest locally owned bank. The United States Treasury issued a report in February describing the bank as a sprawling, money-laundering enterprise.
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Nils Usakovs, an ethnic Russian who is mayor of Riga, the capital, and chairman of Harmony, hailed the result and said it opened the door to government for his party. “No coalition combination is possible without Harmony that would appear able and stable,” he told the news agency LETA.

The alternative, Mr. Usakovs said, is “a coalition of xenophobes and gay rights supporters”
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Post by: Kara on October 08, 2018, 02:41:11 AM
Latvia wasn't "populist" when it rendered long-term residents into aliens and curtailed Russian language education in private schools?
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Post by: benjipwns on October 08, 2018, 02:43:38 AM
 :shh
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Post by: Rufus on October 08, 2018, 08:20:07 AM
Quote from: Nintex on October 07, 2018, 04:21:08 PM
https://twitter.com/OSCE_RFoM/status/1048960689145090049 (https://twitter.com/OSCE_RFoM/status/1048960689145090049)
Another journalist killed. That makes 3 killed journalists investigating EU corruption who've been offed so far.
She was investigation fraud with EU funds in Bulgaria.
First sentence: Corruption by the EU? ???
Second sentence: Oh.

:ufup
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Post by: Sman on October 08, 2018, 02:05:59 PM
Quote from: Kara on October 08, 2018, 02:41:11 AM
Latvia wasn't "populist" when it rendered long-term residents into aliens and curtailed Russian language education in private schools?

Considering their precarious history, I'd argue this was a pretty logical decision on their part. Ditto for Estonia. All within a fairly solid legal framework too.
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Post by: Nintex on October 08, 2018, 02:40:52 PM
The 'problem' in all those countries seems to be the same.

- Widespread corruption by political establishment
- Kinda doing a 'both sides' thing regarding NATO and the Eurasian block
- Fucking over their citizens or a particular group of citizens one way or another

SHOCK AND DISBELIEF as populist outsider ousts the people in power!
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Post by: Kara on October 08, 2018, 02:53:05 PM
Quote from: Sman on October 08, 2018, 02:05:59 PM
Considering their precarious history, I'd argue this was a pretty logical decision on their part. Ditto for Estonia. All within a fairly solid legal framework too.

Populism, logic, and a legal basis for implementing policies aren't mutually exclusive.
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Post by: james on October 08, 2018, 03:50:41 PM
Assimilate is a fascist who hates gays and black people.

I am shocked
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Post by: Nabbis on October 08, 2018, 04:08:02 PM
Baltics are a corrupted shitshow that are kept afloat with EU money.

Estonia and Latvia have cool old towns though, pretty cheap as well.
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Post by: Assimilate on October 08, 2018, 04:33:22 PM
Quote from: james on October 08, 2018, 03:50:41 PM
Assimilate is a fascist who hates gays and black people.

I am shocked

woahhhhh what? nice slanderous hot take.

I was having lunch with my godfather today (he's gay) and we both agreed that we would be voting for Bolsonaro in the second round. His exacts words were "sometimes you have to go to bed with the enemy". That's the reality of the situation here.

We have two candidates left and one of them could easily sink this country into a Venezuela type situation. The markets do not want another member from the party responsible for the worst corruption in this country's history (or in any modern country for that matter).

Bolsonaro is a risk, without question but it is a risk this country will unfortunately have to take.
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Post by: james on October 08, 2018, 04:39:43 PM
Quote from: Assimilate on October 08, 2018, 04:33:22 PM
we both agreed that we would be voting for Bolsonaro

Assimilate is a fascist who hates gays and black people.

I am shocked
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Post by: Steve Contra on October 08, 2018, 04:39:55 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 06, 2018, 08:15:32 AM
Juncker is such a dumb motherfucker.
https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1048500886690041856 (https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1048500886690041856)
The British tabloid press vs. EU technocrats is something no one should have the energy to take a stance on.
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Post by: Assimilate on October 08, 2018, 04:41:04 PM
Quote from: james on October 08, 2018, 04:39:43 PM
Quote from: Assimilate on October 08, 2018, 04:33:22 PM
we both agreed that we would be voting for Bolsonaro

Assimilate is a fascist who hates gays and black people.

I am shocked
James sometimes you have to be an adult and make tough choices.

One day maybe you will understand. it's not all about being offended.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 08, 2018, 05:19:28 PM
I didn't realize that Assimilate is a fascist who hates gays and black people.  Legit shocked to find someone like that on this forum. 
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Post by: james on October 08, 2018, 05:52:38 PM
hue hue hue fuck the gays hue hue hue
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Post by: Assimilate on October 08, 2018, 05:55:12 PM
what are you going on about you whack job

you libtards are constantly crying over culture wars. enough already.
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Post by: curly on October 08, 2018, 05:58:15 PM
reactionaries always go fash when the alternative is a leftist

hell, they're already (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marielle_Franco) killing socialist politicians, wait until Assi's boy gets into power and starts "cleaning up"
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Post by: Assimilate on October 08, 2018, 06:19:58 PM
Quote from: curly on October 08, 2018, 05:58:15 PM
reactionaries always go fash when the alternative is a leftist

hell, they're already (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marielle_Franco) killing socialist politicians, wait until Assi's boy gets into power and starts "cleaning up"
Hopefully he does clean up.

 This woman constantly defended drug criminals under the guise of defending citizens of the favelas. You can hear gun shots ring out in the favelas between gangs which kills more innocent people than any fucking cop ever could. She should have not have been targeted but it is all part of the fucked up situation this place is in. It's a terrible cycle of violence that needs to stop.

Innocent 18 year old girls die for their sell phones here.

You fuckers don't have a goddamn clue
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Post by: Nintex on October 08, 2018, 06:20:19 PM
The choice before Brazil is actually worse than the one the US had with Trump/Clinton.
You're looking at Maduro vs. Pinochet-lite.

On google you find some statistics alright:
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Brazil breaks own record for number of murders in single year as deaths hit 63,880

Rapes also up 8 per cent to 60,018, while 4,539 women were murdered, a rise of 6.1 per cent

The left had to replace their candidate a popular former president. Because he's in jail.
Plus they're pretty much going through the worst recession in their economic history.

I can see why they're voting for 'any' alternative.

Oil economy fueled Socialism. Not even once.
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Post by: Assimilate on October 08, 2018, 06:24:44 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 08, 2018, 06:20:19 PM
The choice before Brazil is actually worse than the one the US had with Trump/Clinton.
You're looking at Maduro vs. Pinochet-lite.

On google you find some statistics alright:
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Brazil breaks own record for number of murders in single year as deaths hit 63,880

Rapes also up 8 per cent to 60,018, while 4,539 women were murdered, a rise of 6.1 per cent

The left had to replace their candidate a popular former president. Because he's in jail.
Plus they're pretty much going through the worst recession in their economic history.

I can see why they're voting for 'any' alternative.

Oil economy fueled Socialism. Not even once.
It's staggering isn't it?

The best part is the outcry from libs saying that somehow this guy is going to make it all worse, that it's "over" for Brazil, for women, for gays..... like, isn't it already bad? lol where's their heads at? It shows you how fucking delusional they can get simply from being offended by words.

The right mentality is simple. Crack down on crime, grow the economy, let people buy shit so they'll be enjoying themselves too much to do something dumb. People need something to lose, right now people don't have anything, young men have nothing so they take to the streets, they force themselves on everything.

They're also fearless. They know the system is broken and they take advantage of it.
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Post by: james on October 08, 2018, 06:30:46 PM
fAsCism iS enJOyAble

vARgas wAs the BeSt pReSIdEnt
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Post by: Assimilate on October 08, 2018, 06:34:16 PM
 :idont

I just checked, apparently everyone is either hitler or a fascist these days
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Post by: Nintex on October 08, 2018, 06:49:38 PM
https://twitter.com/JamesCrisp6/status/1049283494004903936 (https://twitter.com/JamesCrisp6/status/1049283494004903936)

 :doge
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Post by: Sman on October 09, 2018, 12:21:27 AM
Quote from: Kara on October 08, 2018, 02:53:05 PM
Quote from: Sman on October 08, 2018, 02:05:59 PM
Considering their precarious history, I'd argue this was a pretty logical decision on their part. Ditto for Estonia. All within a fairly solid legal framework too.

Populism, logic, and a legal basis for implementing policies aren't mutually exclusive.

Around these parts, a word like populism is not thrown around dispassionately but as demeaning. My point is the Baltics (mostly Estonia and Latvia here) have limited choices to insure their long-term survival. At least they're not throwing kids in cages. :)
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Post by: shosta on October 09, 2018, 11:55:02 AM
Saudi dissident possibly killed by government after last being seen in a Saudi consulate in Turkey.

BBC reports: "The country has demanded Saudi Arabia prove he left - despite not giving evidence of the claim he was killed inside."

Uh...  :doge
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Post by: Assimilate on October 09, 2018, 12:02:56 PM
The dollar keeps dropping....

maybe I should indeed vote for the leftist  :doge
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Post by: Kara on October 09, 2018, 01:10:57 PM
Quote from: Sman on October 09, 2018, 12:21:27 AM
My point is the Baltics (mostly Estonia and Latvia here) have limited choices to insure their long-term survival.

My point was that post-Soviet Latvian politics has been about "populism" for much longer than that New York Times article is trying to argue. Curtailing the power of a dominant minority, however justified, is "populism."
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Post by: Nintex on October 09, 2018, 02:24:37 PM
NATO did some war games that concluded that the Baltics could and would not be defended so they've watched their neighbors closely ever since the Russians occupied parts of Ukraine.
Limiting the rights of Russians might've the opposite effect but they wanted to prevent a Russian friendly government inviting over the 'green men' to keep order.
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Post by: shosta on October 09, 2018, 03:05:09 PM
I'm a little late on the Bolsonaro stuff but I suspect if he's elected the country will go down the same path the Philippines has, where Duterte commands strong support and approval but thousands have been killed extrajudicially. I expect crime will go down substantially, and there will be some political kerfluffles that will lead to executions. Increasing security will lead to reinvestment in the country and the economy will probably recover. But with increasing political power will come the recession of hard earned "derechos humanos" that Assimilate derides so frequently. I suppose the risk of that is a tradeoff for Brazilians to make themselves, because what they're witnessing right now is the slow collapse of a state.
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Post by: Assimilate on October 09, 2018, 05:33:25 PM
Quote from: Shostakovich on October 09, 2018, 03:05:09 PM
with increasing political power will come the recession of hard earned "derechos humanos" that Assimilate derides so frequently.


You gotta understand something here - This country, it's people, criminals, thugs, ignorant assholes, no one fears anything. Depending on which part of the country I'm in I usually stay in the nicest areas, and even there there's so few cops around. It can get scary.

As if I t matters because even cops turn to criminals because why not? They go in with good intentions and then realize they can killed easily or be prosecuted for shooting at a fucking thug with a machine gun for so little pay. It gets out of control. The whole system is fucked.

It's weird for me to adopt a Ayn Rand mentality considering I lived most of my life in the States, and would laugh at idiots that thought she was some type of great voice...... but you know what over here it makes fucking sense. There's such a talent drain. Smart decent people in the middle class try to do what they can to bounce the fuck out.

This also probably explains why the country is filled with unbelievably gorgeous women with absolutely stellar bodies and then a bunch of bunk dudes. The decent guys get the fuck out when they can.

Bolsonaro says a lot of dumb shit. He has some really stupid ideas that align with Trump but this is all we have over here folks. Either this guy or someone that can potentially plummet this country into a failed socialist state (which it's getting there already).

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Post by: Nintex on October 10, 2018, 02:32:48 PM
https://twitter.com/dnvolz/status/1050087740685963264 (https://twitter.com/dnvolz/status/1050087740685963264)

Batman is too busy working for the Russian state rn
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Post by: shosta on October 10, 2018, 02:39:22 PM
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After running out of funds to pay his own lawyers, Mr. Glushkov, 68 years old, planned to represent himself, and had amassed tomes on British law and forensic accounting. “This case was his purpose in life,” said Georgy Shuppe, a friend and former business partner. “He was not going to give up.”

On the eve of a preliminary court hearing, Mr. Glushkov stopped answering his phone. When his daughter drove to his house to investigate, she found him inside, strangled to death with a dog leash. Later that night, dozens of antiterror police cordoned off the house and began digging holes in his yard.

In Russia, his death was portrayed by state-controlled media as a homosexual tryst gone wrong.
this belongs in the bad vibes thread.
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Post by: Nintex on October 10, 2018, 07:08:05 PM
The most cynical thing about those Russians dissidents who get killed by Moscow are the 'cover stories' that are cooked up that make it look so obvious that the Kremlin was behind it.
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Post by: zepblackstar on October 10, 2018, 08:29:15 PM
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1050147756675870721

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Post by: Assimilate on October 11, 2018, 06:26:13 PM
Quote from: zepblackstar on October 10, 2018, 08:29:15 PM
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1050147756675870721

It's astonishing to me that I can literally ask someone "so, you want to vote for the same party responsible for the biggest corruption and recession in this countries history..."

and then they look at me with a stupid stink face and say something dumb like "uh yeah well it's better than fascism" or "I'm for women rights/gay rights" or some other media manipulated bullshit.

It's so fucking dumb. People are FUCKING DUMB.
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Post by: Nintex on October 11, 2018, 07:05:51 PM
Quote from: Assimilate on October 11, 2018, 06:26:13 PM
Quote from: zepblackstar on October 10, 2018, 08:29:15 PM
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1050147756675870721

It's astonishing to me that I can literally ask someone "so, you want to vote for the same party responsible for the biggest corruption and recession in this countries history..."

and then they look at me with a stupid stink face and say something dumb like "uh yeah well it's better than fascism" or "I'm for women rights/gay rights" or some other media manipulated bullshit.

It's so fucking dumb. People are FUCKING DUMB.
All I'm reading is this guy is helped by Steve Bannon!

If you believe the press, Steve Bannon and Vladimir Putin pretty much run the entire planet with their stooges by now.
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Post by: Assimilate on October 11, 2018, 10:03:04 PM
To be fair there are a lot of similarities in their campaign for president. . They couldn't be more different personality wise though.

I understand people and their concern in voting him in, I totally get the risk, but what is the alternative at this point? It's either him or the party responsible for the catastrophe that is this country.
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Post by: curly on October 11, 2018, 11:55:25 PM
https://twitter.com/andreum/status/1050224596186800130

hOw CaN aNyOnE nOt SuPpoRt BolSoNarO
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Post by: Assimilate on October 12, 2018, 01:12:09 AM
Quote from: curly on October 11, 2018, 11:55:25 PM
https://twitter.com/andreum/status/1050224596186800130

hOw CaN aNyOnE nOt SuPpoRt BolSoNarO
Ah yes the media doing its liberal media thang.

First, cops never said that. Second, both sides have been violent or are we going to forget the presidential candidate was actually fucking stabbed by a nut bag that opposed him and his party? Third, Bolsonaro already condemned the men and asked for justice.

But ya let's attribute all the extreme crazies out there with whatever party they associate with.

Keep it

 :reeeee

Curly
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Post by: curly on October 12, 2018, 01:34:52 AM
(https://dannypage.github.io/assets/images/mocking-spongebob.jpg)

bOtH SiDeS ArE vIoLeNt
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Post by: Raist on October 12, 2018, 01:58:13 AM
To be fair to the brazilian police, those cunts did fuck it up and carved a sauvastika, not a swastika. It's linked with Kali, so there's that.
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Post by: Nintex on October 12, 2018, 02:49:22 PM
The guy is going to get elected. Throwing a tantrum isn't going to change things.  :idont
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Post by: james on October 12, 2018, 02:57:20 PM
Quote from: Assimilate on October 11, 2018, 06:26:13 PM

It's astonishing to me that I can literally ask someone "so, you want to vote for the same party responsible for the biggest corruption and recession in this countries history..."

and then they look at me with a stupid stink face and say something dumb like "uh yeah well it's better than fascism" or "I'm for women rights/gay rights" or some other media manipulated bullshit.

It's so fucking dumb. People are FUCKING DUMB.

Youre either a fucking idiot or 16 or both.

Remind me, was the hyper inflation and stagnating economy in Brazils past caused by the big scary communists....

Or the far right military dictatorship?
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Post by: Assimilate on October 12, 2018, 03:10:33 PM
Quote from: james on October 12, 2018, 02:57:20 PM
Quote from: Assimilate on October 11, 2018, 06:26:13 PM

It's astonishing to me that I can literally ask someone "so, you want to vote for the same party responsible for the biggest corruption and recession in this countries history..."

and then they look at me with a stupid stink face and say something dumb like "uh yeah well it's better than fascism" or "I'm for women rights/gay rights" or some other media manipulated bullshit.

It's so fucking dumb. People are FUCKING DUMB.

Youre either a fucking idiot or 16 or both.

Remind me, was the hyper inflation and stagnating economy in Brazils past caused by the big scary communists....

Or the far right military dictatorship?
What does that have to do with anything you fucking shit brain? Stagnation and inflation has also happened under democracy in the United States and across Europe and no one is electing the Brazilian dictatorship from the past into office right now lolll wtff lol

I love how libtarsds throw out these irrelevant statements "but but what about hitler!" uhhh?? what? what does hitler have to do with a guy in Latin America 50+ years later? lol
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Post by: james on October 12, 2018, 03:25:11 PM
Quote from: Assimilate on October 12, 2018, 03:10:33 PM
Quote from: james on October 12, 2018, 02:57:20 PM
Quote from: Assimilate on October 11, 2018, 06:26:13 PM

It's astonishing to me that I can literally ask someone "so, you want to vote for the same party responsible for the biggest corruption and recession in this countries history..."

and then they look at me with a stupid stink face and say something dumb like "uh yeah well it's better than fascism" or "I'm for women rights/gay rights" or some other media manipulated bullshit.

It's so fucking dumb. People are FUCKING DUMB.

Youre either a fucking idiot or 16 or both.

Remind me, was the hyper inflation and stagnating economy in Brazils past caused by the big scary communists....

Or the far right military dictatorship?
What does that have to do with anything you fucking shit brain? Stagnation and inflation has also happened under democracy in the United States and across Europe and no one is electing the Brazilian dictatorship from the past into office right now lolll wtff lol

I love how libtarsds throw out these irrelevant statements "but but what about hitler!" uhhh?? what? what does hitler have to do with a guy in Latin America 50+ years later? lol

Read over what you wrote, sit down, write it out on paper, and then think a bit.

Maybe youll see it
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Post by: Assimilate on October 12, 2018, 03:28:56 PM
Yeah, libs are dumb all over the world. They think any opponent they do not like is automatically Hitler or a fascist. It's a cliche at this point.
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Post by: Kara on October 13, 2018, 10:37:52 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/13/world/americas/colombia-farc-government-war.html
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on October 14, 2018, 10:50:27 AM
Quote from: Assimilate on October 08, 2018, 04:33:22 PM
Quote from: james on October 08, 2018, 03:50:41 PM
Assimilate is a fascist who hates gays and black people.

I am shocked

woahhhhh what? nice slanderous hot take.


I hate how nobody pointed out that slander is a spoken thing. It's libel when it's written.
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Post by: Broseidon on October 15, 2018, 06:33:16 PM
https://twitter.com/Ahmadinejad1956/status/1051937106392752129
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Post by: Rufus on October 15, 2018, 06:52:20 PM
Who the hell runs this account for him? :wtf
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 16, 2018, 04:14:52 PM
Quote from: Rufus on October 15, 2018, 06:52:20 PM
Who the hell runs this account for him? :wtf

Wrath
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 16, 2018, 04:22:07 PM
Persian Wrath AKA The Pomegranate Exodust
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Post by: curly on October 16, 2018, 04:45:41 PM
American mercs carrying out assassinations for the UAE in Yemen (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/aramroston/mercenaries-assassination-us-yemen-uae-spear-golan-dahlan)

Come for the terrifying vision of the future of warfare, stay for the affirmation that elite military operatives are doofuses:

Quote
When it was time to go, they convinced the hotel staff to give them the US flag flying outside, Gilmore said. In a makeshift ceremony, they folded it up into a small triangle and took it with them.
Quote
It’s unclear exactly what went wrong.

Right before the mercenary reached the front door, carrying the explosive charge meant to kill Mayo, one of his fellow fighters at the back of the SUV opened fire, shooting along the backstreet.

There was a drone high overhead, and the video, obtained by BuzzFeed News, shows gunfire but not what the American is shooting at. The drone video doesn’t show anyone shooting back at the mercenaries.
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Mayo seems to have reemerged in Yemeni politics. In May he was nominated to a post by the president of Yemen, Abed Rabbo Mansour Hadi, according to Charles Schmitz, a specialist on the Middle East and Yemen at Towson University in Maryland. Schmitz said he found a recent photo of Mayo standing in a group with the UN envoy to Yemen.

Golan maintains that, at the very least, Mayo was neutralized for a time. “For me it’s a success,” he said, “as long as the guy disappeared.”
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Post by: curly on October 16, 2018, 05:56:06 PM
https://twitter.com/BenjaminFogel/status/1052286634912305152
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Post by: Nintex on October 16, 2018, 06:48:42 PM
Quote from: curly on October 16, 2018, 04:45:41 PM
American mercs carrying out assassinations for the UAE in Yemen (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/aramroston/mercenaries-assassination-us-yemen-uae-spear-golan-dahlan)

Come for the terrifying vision of the future of warfare, stay for the affirmation that elite military operatives are doofuses:

Quote
When it was time to go, they convinced the hotel staff to give them the US flag flying outside, Gilmore said. In a makeshift ceremony, they folded it up into a small triangle and took it with them.
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It’s unclear exactly what went wrong.

Right before the mercenary reached the front door, carrying the explosive charge meant to kill Mayo, one of his fellow fighters at the back of the SUV opened fire, shooting along the backstreet.

There was a drone high overhead, and the video, obtained by BuzzFeed News, shows gunfire but not what the American is shooting at. The drone video doesn’t show anyone shooting back at the mercenaries.
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Mayo seems to have reemerged in Yemeni politics. In May he was nominated to a post by the president of Yemen, Abed Rabbo Mansour Hadi, according to Charles Schmitz, a specialist on the Middle East and Yemen at Towson University in Maryland. Schmitz said he found a recent photo of Mayo standing in a group with the UN envoy to Yemen.

Golan maintains that, at the very least, Mayo was neutralized for a time. “For me it’s a success,” he said, “as long as the guy disappeared.”
The best part is the shitty business cards that make it look like a COD clan and the target card that is lifted straight from a 90's action movie.
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Post by: shosta on October 16, 2018, 10:19:16 PM
Omfg, how did I miss the WSJ endorsing Bolsonaro
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Post by: Kara on October 16, 2018, 10:27:07 PM
Quote from: Shostakovich on October 16, 2018, 10:19:16 PM
Omfg, how did I miss the WSJ endorsing Bolsonaro

I didn't post it here when I saw it, sorry.
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Post by: Assimilate on October 16, 2018, 10:29:57 PM
He's pretty much going to win. The dollar keeps dropping, I'm not even sure I'm happy about this
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Post by: Brehvolution on October 17, 2018, 08:52:16 AM
Quote from: Shostakovich on October 16, 2018, 10:19:16 PM
Omfg, how did I miss the WSJ endorsing Bolsonaro

American industry has wanted to loot the rain forests for decades. This clown will probably let them do it. Much to the detriment of the earth.
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Post by: Assimilate on October 17, 2018, 08:59:19 AM
Quote from: Brehvolution on October 17, 2018, 08:52:16 AM
Quote from: Shostakovich on October 16, 2018, 10:19:16 PM
Omfg, how did I miss the WSJ endorsing Bolsonaro

American industry has wanted to loot the rain forests for decades. This clown will probably let them do it. Much to the detriment of the earth.
Loot the rain forests? Brazil can't produce much fucking food if it doesn't manage to plow pieces of land for crops. This isn't about big bad American industry bro.

Or do you believe the rest of the world is goin to feed one of the biggest populations for free??
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Post by: Brehvolution on October 17, 2018, 09:28:42 AM
Maybe, maybe not. It's not just Americans that want a piece either.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 17, 2018, 02:46:11 PM
Cant we just annex saudi arabia?

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Post by: shosta on October 17, 2018, 02:54:28 PM
That's what they tried to do on Dune, and look what happened.
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Post by: Kara on October 17, 2018, 02:56:01 PM
Brazil is the biggest coffee exporter in the world. If hunger is a growing concern maybe they should consider cutting back on the cash cropping first.
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Post by: shosta on October 17, 2018, 03:20:55 PM
Cut off the nose to spite the face? Brazil is facing a lack of investment and industry, no need to get rid of an important revenue source, especially when coffee is one of the few luxury goods where local farmers have a lot more control over profit margins than we've seen historically in these exploited areas.
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Post by: Nabbis on October 17, 2018, 03:22:21 PM
Quote from: Premium Lager on October 17, 2018, 02:46:11 PM
Cant we just annex saudi arabia?

Could just stop buying their oil.
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Post by: agrajag on October 17, 2018, 03:40:34 PM
Quote from: Shostakovich on October 17, 2018, 03:20:55 PM
Cut off the nose to spite the face? Brazil is facing a lack of investment and industry, no need to get rid of an important revenue source, especially when coffee is one of the few luxury goods where local farmers have a lot more control over profit margins than we've seen historically in these exploited areas.

Narrator: Kara is a communist.
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Post by: shosta on October 17, 2018, 04:03:54 PM
That doesn't mean he's immune to arguments of fact
:bolo
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Post by: curly on October 17, 2018, 04:18:31 PM
I think Kara's point is that the rainforests aren't being chopped down to increase the food supply but for commodity production.
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Post by: Kara on October 17, 2018, 04:21:46 PM
Assimilate presented a false dilemma to impeach a (specious) argument that the Wall Street Journal endorsed a candidate in Brazil's election because he will open up the country to being peripheralized. That false dilemma was either Brazil engages in (more) deforestation or it faces food insecurity. Brazil has plenty of existing arable land; it's generally classified as a breadbasket. That was the point in bringing up coffee.

The country exports food (it might be the largest after the U.S. and E.U., even) while having hunger issues, btw.

A top ten national economy facing a lack of investment and industry is sort of a prima facie absurd claim too, but that's going on a tangent from a tangent.
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Post by: shosta on October 17, 2018, 04:23:38 PM
I understand what Kara's argument is, but
1) the issue isn't the price of commodities but widespread impoverishment, like many people resorting to selling used garbage and
2) plummetting commodities prices is one of the things that actually ended the long boom and caused a deep recession in the first place, eliminating economic gains that the poor had exerienced over a fairly short period. Creating a food glut would not only not actually solve the hunger crisis but actually make the situation much worse. Compounded with an irrational shift away from coffee, it's like... no, don't do that
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Post by: shosta on October 17, 2018, 04:23:59 PM
Ok well I don't read assimilates posts so I didn't have any of this context
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Post by: curly on October 17, 2018, 04:40:03 PM
I'm sure people realize this but it should be said that cutting down the rain forest is a suicidal act that will make it much more difficult to keep the planet habitable
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Post by: shosta on October 17, 2018, 04:42:56 PM
Since this is a good segue, frankly I don't understand how any of you still have any kind of optimism left regarding climate and have not adopted a pessimistic fatalism
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Post by: curly on October 17, 2018, 04:49:17 PM
because while things will certainly be bad the degree of badness is uncertain and depends on the actions we take now
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Post by: Assimilate on October 17, 2018, 05:11:37 PM
Quote from: Kara on October 17, 2018, 04:21:46 PM
Assimilate presented a false dilemma to impeach a (specious) argument that the Wall Street Journal endorsed a candidate in Brazil's election because he will open up the country to being peripheralized.
There's many reasons to endorse him over the party responsible for a massive corruption scandal that left the country in it's current situation. How anyone can even begin to defend Lula, and the PT party in general is absolutely fucking crazy.

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That false dilemma was either Brazil engages in (more) deforestation or it faces food insecurity. Brazil has plenty of existing arable land; it's generally classified as a breadbasket. That was the point in bringing up coffee.

The country exports food (it might be the largest after the U.S. and E.U., even) while having hunger issues, btw.

This is recent thing. Maybe in the last 10-15 years once they figured out how to make the soil more fertile . But it's actually not that big a piece of land that is used for farming. Not enough to sustain a country of this size. You've never been to a supermarket here have you?

The biggest exports are currently soy and chicken.

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A top ten national economy facing a lack of investment and industry is sort of a prima facie absurd claim too, but that's going on a tangent from a tangent.
Facing a lack of investment? Yes, people are scared to do business here. Do you know anything at all about this situation or are you just spitting socialist bullshit out of your mouth?

Brazil is one of the toughest places to do business, add in the lack of faith now because of corruptions in all levels of government and you have less investment coming into the country than ever before. It's a big economy because there are a lot of people here. That's not going to mean anything to people when there's unemployment levels of 13-20 million.

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Post by: Brehvolution on October 17, 2018, 05:24:39 PM
Quote from: Shostakovich on October 17, 2018, 04:42:56 PM
Since this is a good segue, frankly I don't understand how any of you still have any kind of optimism left regarding climate and have not adopted a pessimistic fatalism

Because Jesus will come save us before shit gets too bad.  :doge
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Post by: Nintex on October 17, 2018, 05:28:58 PM
Quote from: curly on October 17, 2018, 04:49:17 PM
because while things will certainly be bad the degree of badness is uncertain and depends on the actions we take now
India and China are opening more and more coal plants.

The only action we can take now is kill half the planet or hope that someone figures something out before doomsday as always.
We're way past the point of no return in terms of industrialization and environmental pollution.
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Post by: Mandark on October 17, 2018, 05:57:30 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 17, 2018, 05:28:58 PM
India and China are opening more and more coal plants.

The US emits roughly ten times as much CO2 per capita as India does. The EU about five times as much. The Netherlands six times as much.

Fucking up basic, obvious truths so you can blame swarthy foreigners? At least the post is on brand.
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Post by: Propagandhim on October 17, 2018, 06:18:41 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 17, 2018, 05:57:30 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 17, 2018, 05:28:58 PM
India and China are opening more and more coal plants.

The US emits roughly ten times as much CO2 per capita as India does. The EU about five times as much. The Netherlands six times as much.

Fucking up basic, obvious truths so you can blame swarthy foreigners? At least the post is on brand.

don't listen to anyone who misquotes me and makes me look like i made a mistake (Mandark)
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Post by: Mandark on October 17, 2018, 06:28:09 PM
Quote from: Propagandhim on October 17, 2018, 06:18:41 PM
Asia comprises 75% of all CO2 emissions and Europe and the US combined comprises 15%.  Who cares about the per capita emissions of Luxembourg if it's not going to ameliorate the large-scale problem.

to start with this is literally not true
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Post by: Propagandhim on October 17, 2018, 06:39:31 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 17, 2018, 06:28:09 PM
Quote from: Propagandhim on October 17, 2018, 06:18:41 PM
Asia comprises 75% of all CO2 emissions and Europe and the US combined comprises 15%.  Who cares about the per capita emissions of Luxembourg if it's not going to ameliorate the large-scale problem.

to start with this is literally not true

  :badass  oops.
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Post by: Mandark on October 17, 2018, 06:41:51 PM
Thanks for posting a graph to prove my point?
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Post by: Propagandhim on October 17, 2018, 06:43:52 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 17, 2018, 06:41:51 PM
Thanks for posting a graph to prove my point?

So, it is.
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Post by: Nintex on October 17, 2018, 06:49:31 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 17, 2018, 05:57:30 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 17, 2018, 05:28:58 PM
India and China are opening more and more coal plants.

The US emits roughly ten times as much CO2 per capita as India does. The EU about five times as much. The Netherlands six times as much.

Fucking up basic, obvious truths so you can blame swarthy foreigners? At least the post is on brand.
The point is that if we put up a windmill someone else puts down a coal plant.

In fact, the 'Energiewende' that the Germans enacted completely failed. They shuttered their nuclear and coal plants too soon and are now more dependent on Russian energy and gas.
Which is produced pretty much without any regard for environmental regulations.

The Netherlands is unique when it comes to geography because our country is so damn small. The population density is about 500/600 people per km2
For India that number is ~200 per km2 for China ~150. The United States 36 km2.

That's also why our CO2 emissions are so damn high. Even though the most commonly used method of transportation is a bicycle.

Also a huge chunk of our nation is just water or lands that are designated to be flooded by water in case of rising tides.

Not to mention that historically developing nations have higher levels of pollution. Until a certain point when the citizens are more concerned with their well being than economic growth. 
China and India or large parts of it still care more about economic growth than the environment. And the environmentalists overall are losing the battle.
Other nations such as Russia and now even the United States have prioritized economic growth above all else.

As a planet we depend too much on our energy, gas and way of living to really make a turn in terms of global warming and the environment.
It's kinda like the prisoners dilemma. After all, the first one who goes 'green' likely loses the economic battle. Germany's energy market is a prime example.
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Post by: Mandark on October 17, 2018, 07:04:15 PM
the problem is that you're a dumb person generally and also clearly know nothing about this subject
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Post by: Nintex on October 17, 2018, 07:28:05 PM
I can give you another example.
We've shut down nearly all our nuclear power. There's one generator left which is mainly used for medical research purposes.

The Belgians have an old reactor that has overheated and leaked a couple of times right on our border and they're not shutting it down.

There's no benefit to kneecapping your own economy by enacting strict environmental regulations and producing clean energy.
Countries that produce clean energy focus on it because there's an economic incentive or because they don't want to rely on natural resources or energy resources from abroad.
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Post by: shosta on October 17, 2018, 09:01:44 PM
I hope I live to see time travel so I can go back in time and use your posts to convince your mom to abort you.
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Post by: Assimilate on October 17, 2018, 09:12:28 PM
Quote from: Shostakovich on October 17, 2018, 09:01:44 PM
I hope I live to see time travel so I can go back in time and use your posts to convince your mom to abort you.
This was funny, I was going to give you a like for this, but then I realized you're aids.
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Post by: remy on October 17, 2018, 10:33:07 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 17, 2018, 07:28:05 PM
I can give you another example.
We've shut down nearly all our nuclear power. There's one generator left which is mainly used for medical research purposes.

The Belgians have an old reactor that has overheated and leaked a couple of times right on our border and they're not shutting it down.

There's no benefit to kneecapping your own economy by enacting strict environmental regulations and producing clean energy.
Countries that produce clean energy focus on it because there's an economic incentive or because they don't want to rely on natural resources or energy resources from abroad.
Literally whenever I read these well even if I do something good someone else is doing something BAD so i better not do anything GOOD type posts my brain leaks out of my ears

not the mention nuclear fearmongering, is it the 50s? I'd take more nuclear, the 8000x more efficient method with no greenhouse gas over more fucking coal any day of the week.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 18, 2018, 12:47:05 AM
Is Nintex dutch?

Because thats the fucking Dutch mentality.

I wont do the right thing as long as someone else is doing something bad. Every time I talk to Dutch people it boils down to this.

Or Dutch people opposing wind energy because it will ruin the view LOL.

Fucking cop outs.
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Post by: Raist on October 18, 2018, 01:58:23 AM
On the plus side whenever sea levels rise they'll be the first to go :yeshrug
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 18, 2018, 02:40:48 AM
I litteraly have friends who live on the coast, in one of the most endangered streches, well below sea level, who opposed building a wind farm of the coast because it will ruin the view from the beach.

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Post by: benjipwns on October 18, 2018, 05:24:16 AM
 :usacry remembering a better time with our middle east allies :usacry

https://www.si.com/vault/1967/05/08/609343/his-majesty-the-leadfoot

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HIS MAJESTY, THE LEADFOOT

A THOROUGHLY MODERN SPORTSMAN-MONARCH, KING HUSSEIN OF JORDAN HOPES TO LEAD BACKWARD ELEMENTS OF HIS COUNTRY INTO THE PRESENT BY THE FORCE OF HIS EXAMPLE. THE KING'S ATHLETIC RANGE IS UNUSUALLY WIDE, AND HIS SKILLS ARE IMPRESSIVE

original layout: https://www.si.com/vault/issue/42942/46
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Post by: seagrams hotsauce on October 18, 2018, 06:49:33 AM
Quote from: Premium Lager on October 18, 2018, 02:40:48 AM
I litteraly have friends who live on the coast, in one of the most endangered streches, well below sea level, who opposed building a wind farm of the coast because it will ruin the view from the beach.
you wouldn't happen to be talking about CapeWind by any chance
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Post by: Rufus on October 18, 2018, 06:53:50 AM
Quote from: Premium Lager on October 18, 2018, 12:47:05 AM
Or Dutch people opposing wind energy because it will ruin the view LOL.
Same in Germany. We've got problems efficiently distributing electricity from renewables, but some people are against new grid infrastructure (and before that, windmills) for exactly this reason.

Yay, renewables, but not in MY backyard. :picard
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 18, 2018, 07:15:02 AM
And people say the left has become snobby, its because the general public is dumb af

Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on October 18, 2018, 06:49:33 AM
Quote from: Premium Lager on October 18, 2018, 02:40:48 AM
I litteraly have friends who live on the coast, in one of the most endangered streches, well below sea level, who opposed building a wind farm of the coast because it will ruin the view from the beach.
you wouldn't happen to be talking about CapeWind by any chance

Nope, but reading up on it its a bit the same scenario but in our case it wasnt millionaires battling against it just regular folks
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Post by: Crash Dummy on October 18, 2018, 07:26:27 AM
this reminds of a lucifer episode where a lady murders some people for going on a public beach because it spoiled the view from her kitchen or something
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Post by: Nintex on October 18, 2018, 02:52:43 PM
The IDF is moving their forces towards Gaza. One Reuters reporter spotted 60 vehicles at a staging site.
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Post by: Mandark on October 18, 2018, 05:31:25 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 17, 2018, 06:49:31 PM
The Netherlands is unique when it comes to geography because our country is so damn small. The population density is about 500/600 people per km2
For India that number is ~200 per km2 for China ~150. The United States 36 km2.

That's also why our CO2 emissions are so damn high.

This is completely backwards. Higher population density makes lower GHG emissions per person easier (see average of NYC residents vs. rural Americans).
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Post by: curly on October 18, 2018, 06:10:14 PM
This Jamal Khashoggi thing has gone on a lot longer than I expeted
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Post by: Mandark on October 18, 2018, 06:15:03 PM
You and MBS both, buddy.
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Post by: curly on October 18, 2018, 06:23:41 PM
It's really surreal. The Sauds keep floating new stories for what happened to see which one Washington will accept and when one gets shot down they come back with something slightly more credible and with a slightly greater admission of guilt, going from outright denial to rogue killers to accident during interrogation to now pinning it on a general acting on his own. It's such obvious pageantry and everybody knows what really happened but I guess as long as the important players maintain kayfabe then it works out?
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Post by: shosta on October 18, 2018, 06:25:27 PM
There's no consequence if the Saudis simply never admit to doing it so that's how it'll die out: one week from now after a few days of no developments.
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Post by: curly on October 18, 2018, 06:33:47 PM
right now it seems like they're going to say that a Saudi official ordered it but MBS was unaware, which is at least a partial admission in guilt.

Also the potential fall guy isn't somebody anonymous, he was promoted by MBS and is the public face of the war on Yemen

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Post by: Nintex on October 18, 2018, 06:49:23 PM
Not sure about the Saudi thing. Some commentators rightly pointed out that the alternative to MBS might be even worse.
And that dropping him like we once dropped the Shah of Iran didn't exactly bring about a better situation for the parties involved.

Even though this is causing him some trouble, MBS also knows that it'll be forgotten and forgiven in time.
Just like with Putin who casually murdered and silenced all of his critics but happens to be a big energy supplier

The US can't just break ties with KSA without a big geo political shift. They know this and take advantage of it, much like Israel does.

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Post by: Mandark on October 18, 2018, 06:50:36 PM
if only there were some third option besides overthrowing their government and selling them unlimited weapons with a carte blanche to kill whoever they want

if only
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Post by: Nintex on October 18, 2018, 06:57:55 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 18, 2018, 06:50:36 PM
if only there were some third option besides overthrowing their government and selling them unlimited weapons with a carte blanche to kill whoever they want

if only
We bascially tried all the options over the years.

1. Iraq -> Invade and remove -> Insurgency + big failure
2. Libya -> Assist and guide -> Sodomized -> Clusterfuck + biggest migration crisis in modern history
3. Egypt -> You people deserve freedom! -> people pick zealots -> Fuck the people, get back the military -> Military murders zealots
4. Iran -> Deal and appease -> Continues to develop nukes and fund terrorists -> End deal -> Continues to develop nukes and fund terrorists
5. Saudi -> Send Kushner with intel to prevent palace coup -> Reform agenda -> Starts murdering journalists
6. Syria -> Send guns -> Send more guns -> Send even more guns -> Fuck it, let the Russians handle it -> Goddamn you Russians

The only thing that seems to work somewhat is the meetings, hand shaking and summits with those despots as it distracts them from doing evil shit.
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Post by: Mandark on October 18, 2018, 07:06:21 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 18, 2018, 06:57:55 PM
4. Iran -> Deal and appease -> Continues to develop nukes

This is just a lie.

Why are you lying?
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Post by: Nintex on October 18, 2018, 07:13:08 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 18, 2018, 07:06:21 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 18, 2018, 06:57:55 PM
4. Iran -> Deal and appease -> Continues to develop nukes

This is just a lie.

Why are you lying?
That is no lie. They're still developing those weapons. They would be stupid not to.
Same with North Korea.

In fact the deal only stalled development for a time. This has been acknowledged by Obama administration officials who basically said the deal was just an opening to get Iran back into international diplomacy so further progress could be made.
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Post by: Mandark on October 18, 2018, 07:16:19 PM
No, really.

Why are you lying?
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Post by: Mandark on October 18, 2018, 07:18:42 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 18, 2018, 07:13:08 PM
Same with North Korea.

But you told me that they were getting rid of their nukes! What's going on?
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Post by: Nintex on October 18, 2018, 07:24:40 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 18, 2018, 07:16:19 PM
No, really.

Why are you lying?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/obama-official-says-he-pushed-a-narrative-to-media-to-sell-the-iran-nuclear-deal/2016/05/06/5b90d984-13a1-11e6-8967-7ac733c56f12_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/obama-official-says-he-pushed-a-narrative-to-media-to-sell-the-iran-nuclear-deal/2016/05/06/5b90d984-13a1-11e6-8967-7ac733c56f12_story.html)

https://nypost.com/2016/05/05/playing-the-press-and-the-public-for-chumps-to-sell-the-iran-deal/ (https://nypost.com/2016/05/05/playing-the-press-and-the-public-for-chumps-to-sell-the-iran-deal/)

https://www.msnbc.com/mtp-daily/watch/rhodes-iran-deal-should-be-used-as-platform-to-address-other-issues-1223492163991?v=raila& (https://www.msnbc.com/mtp-daily/watch/rhodes-iran-deal-should-be-used-as-platform-to-address-other-issues-1223492163991?v=raila&)

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8017/ben-rhodes-iran-deal (https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8017/ben-rhodes-iran-deal)

Ben Rhodes used the media as an echo chamber to sell the deal. Which was something that was cooked up on Iran's terms and basically paused some things for a time but didn't end the program.
After all, a big source of Iran nuclear technology is North Korea.

Quote from: Mandark on October 18, 2018, 07:18:42 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 18, 2018, 07:13:08 PM
Same with North Korea.

But you told me that they were getting rid of their nukes! What's going on?
I never said that. I said that the US and SK would come to some sort of deal. However, now that the North Koreans have nukes they're not giving them up. They're not parading them around anymore and they're not shooting missiles over Japan so that's at least an improvement.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Mandark on October 18, 2018, 08:32:00 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 18, 2018, 07:24:40 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/obama-official-says-he-pushed-a-narrative-to-media-to-sell-the-iran-nuclear-deal/2016/05/06/5b90d984-13a1-11e6-8967-7ac733c56f12_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/obama-official-says-he-pushed-a-narrative-to-media-to-sell-the-iran-nuclear-deal/2016/05/06/5b90d984-13a1-11e6-8967-7ac733c56f12_story.html)

https://nypost.com/2016/05/05/playing-the-press-and-the-public-for-chumps-to-sell-the-iran-deal/ (https://nypost.com/2016/05/05/playing-the-press-and-the-public-for-chumps-to-sell-the-iran-deal/)

https://www.msnbc.com/mtp-daily/watch/rhodes-iran-deal-should-be-used-as-platform-to-address-other-issues-1223492163991?v=raila& (https://www.msnbc.com/mtp-daily/watch/rhodes-iran-deal-should-be-used-as-platform-to-address-other-issues-1223492163991?v=raila&)

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8017/ben-rhodes-iran-deal (https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8017/ben-rhodes-iran-deal)

None of those links say Iran is currently developing nuclear weapons. Did you not read them, or did you just expect nobody else to read them and notice you were lying again?


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Quote from: Nintex on October 18, 2018, 07:24:40 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 18, 2018, 07:16:19 PM
But you told me that they were getting rid of their nukes! What's going on?
I never said that.

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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: agrajag on October 18, 2018, 08:48:39 PM
Nintex is trying to Gish Gallop on a message board

 :derp :rofl
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: curly on October 19, 2018, 01:49:16 AM
https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/1052931374347378688
:thinking

Turkish news source too :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 19, 2018, 05:29:09 AM
Quote from: Mandark on October 18, 2018, 06:50:36 PM
if only there were some third option besides overthrowing their government and selling them unlimited weapons with a carte blanche to kill whoever they want

if only

Idk
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 19, 2018, 05:30:33 AM
Quote from: Stro on October 18, 2018, 08:18:12 PM
Quote from: Shostakovich on October 18, 2018, 06:25:27 PM
There's no consequence if the Saudis simply never admit to doing it so that's how it'll die out: one week from now after a few days of no developments.

There are no consequences even if they outright admit to it. The US has overlooked everything KSA has done since they established relations prior to WWII. They overlooked the oil embargo of the 70s. The overlooked Saudi involvement in 9/11. While the American government and press led a smear campaign against France for not supporting the Iraq War, Saudi Arabia didn't join in and there wasn't a peep about it. KSA-US relations were as bad as they'd been in 40 years during the Obama administration...and the biggest arms deal in the history of either country was signed during that period. The US will NEVER do anything of consequence to KSA as long as there's oil and money involved. Even when KSA withheld oil, America immediately signed a $2B (in mid 70s money) military sale deal with them.

While all the news agencies were reporting about KSA about to release a report that took some sort of culpability, the sitting president of the United States was out there literally spouting KSA propaganda conspiracy theories to the American media. The same sitting president whose first international trip as president was to...Saudi Arabia to sign a $110B arms deal. And during all of this, the secretary of state who had been sent to KSA ostensibly to "investigate" this disappearance and possible death of a journalist was taking super smiley photo ops and happened to leave with $100M for American coffers that could have been paid at any time, but the timing is just a coincidence.  ::)

We could just take the oil if we wanted
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Nintex on October 19, 2018, 09:57:48 AM
Quote from: agrajag on October 18, 2018, 08:48:39 PM
Nintex is trying to Gish Gallop on a message board

 :derp :rofl
:trumps

Quote from: curly on October 19, 2018, 01:49:16 AM
https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/1052931374347378688
:thinking

Turkish news source too :thinking
Sorry comrade I hope I didn't obstruct your investigation
 :putin
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Post by: VomKriege on October 19, 2018, 10:14:29 AM
Remember that the KSA, as far as we can tell, literally sequestered into custody the prime minister of a foreign country and forced him to resign on TV. Everything was pretty much nullified a couple of months later nevertheless there was precious few consequences for it.
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Post by: kingv on October 19, 2018, 01:42:17 PM
Only Elon Musk can save us brehs.
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Post by: Nintex on October 19, 2018, 05:11:13 PM
Quote from: Premium Lager on October 18, 2018, 12:47:05 AM
Is Nintex dutch?

Because thats the fucking Dutch mentality.

I wont do the right thing as long as someone else is doing something bad. Every time I talk to Dutch people it boils down to this.

Or Dutch people opposing wind energy because it will ruin the view LOL.

Fucking cop outs.
I literally live in a coastal town that blocked the plans for wind energy because it would ruin the view from our beach.  :smug
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: kingv on October 19, 2018, 05:14:30 PM
Dutch people are a bunch of white cishet caucasoids.

What else did you expect?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Nintex on October 19, 2018, 06:13:20 PM
Quote from: kingv on October 19, 2018, 05:14:30 PM
Dutch people are a bunch of white cishet caucasoids.

What else did you expect?
We are the most tolerant country on the planet by far and excellent at trading and engineering.
Especially when it comes to preventing floods and other disasters.

- The first to have a gay wedding
- The first to have somewhat legal weed
- The first to crash the economy with an unsustainable bubble
- The first to go bankrupt while slave trading

Our 'golden age' is literally colonizing half the globe, sailing into British harbors to blow up their ships and looting the Spanish Armada  :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Mandark on October 19, 2018, 06:26:31 PM
Nintex, you never explained why you were repeatedly lying about Iran's nuclear weapons program.
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Post by: Nintex on October 19, 2018, 06:35:24 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 19, 2018, 06:26:31 PM
Nintex, you never explained why you were repeatedly lying about Iran's nuclear weapons program.
I don't believe the notion that they stopped developing those weapons ever because it would be stupid if they did.
Qaddafi gave up his fake nukes and he got sodomized and thrown in a ditch.
Ukraine gave up their nukes and weapon stockpiles with the help of one unknown senator named Barack Hussein Obama.

Only to watch Putin snag up 25% of their country.


Iran would be the dumbest motherfuckers alive if they actually stopped their nuclear program.
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Post by: Mandark on October 19, 2018, 06:42:13 PM
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Mandark on October 19, 2018, 06:45:59 PM
I wonder, are there any recent examples where assuming a country had an active nuclear weapons program turned out to be a huge fucking mistake?

:thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Steve Contra on October 19, 2018, 06:54:48 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 19, 2018, 06:35:24 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 19, 2018, 06:26:31 PM
Nintex, you never explained why you were repeatedly lying about Iran's nuclear weapons program.
I don't believe the notion that they stopped developing those weapons ever because it would be stupid if they did.
Qaddafi gave up his fake nukes and he got sodomized and thrown in a ditch.
Ukraine gave up their nukes and weapon stockpiles with the help of one unknown senator named Barack Hussein Obama.

Only to watch Putin snag up 25% of their country.


Iran would be the dumbest motherfuckers alive if they actually stopped their nuclear program.
This is fucking amazing.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Mandark on October 19, 2018, 07:05:02 PM
Nintex, if you're typing up a big care post to salvage the situation instead of just saying "haha okay you got me I'm full of shit," I'd advise against it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Nintex on October 19, 2018, 07:17:37 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 19, 2018, 06:45:59 PM
I wonder, are there any recent examples where assuming a country had an active nuclear weapons program turned out to be a huge fucking mistake?

:thinking
Iraq is another reason why you're doomed if you do and doomed if you don't.
What incentive is there for Iran to give up nukes?
A) Give up nukes and watch how the US/Saudi/Israeli alliance moves closer to their borders
B) Keep nukes to prevent an attack and increase their power in the region

People underestimate the fallout of the Balkan wars of the 90's. It showed that the US would ignore international law if they felt it was their duty or they were on the right side of history.
The Russians never got passed that and neither did their allies such as the Syrians and the Iranians.

If Iran didn't have nukes OP Persian Freedom would've launched ages ago. Right around the time they were softening up Syria.
But not even Bibi dares to bomb alleged nuclear sites in Iran in case they actually have nuclear weapons and decide to fire back.

The difference with North Korea is simple. The foreign policy experts do not fear that North Korea would use nukes on their own neighbors. That does not match their policy of reunification.
They fear that the North Koreans would sell their nuclear weapons to other rogue regimes such as Iran and even African states. After all, they've got a substantial illegal trade in chemical weapons already.

All we've seen in recent years is that deals and cease fires like the Protection deal for Ukraine and the UN charter on Iraq are completely useless when one of the big powers (Russia,China, US) wants something.

So let me ask you again. Why would Iran give up their nukes? What reason could they possibly have?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Mandark on October 19, 2018, 07:19:33 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 19, 2018, 07:05:02 PM
Nintex, if you're typing up a big care post to salvage the situation instead of just saying "haha okay you got me I'm full of shit," I'd advise against it.

wow this mandark guy is psychic
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Nintex on October 19, 2018, 07:21:09 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 19, 2018, 07:19:33 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 19, 2018, 07:05:02 PM
Nintex, if you're typing up a big care post to salvage the situation instead of just saying "haha okay you got me I'm full of shit," I'd advise against it.

wow this mandark guy is psychic
Give me one good reason for Iran to give up their nukes.

There isn't.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Mandark on October 19, 2018, 07:25:49 PM
Nintex, why were you lying? What were you trying to accomplish?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Nintex on October 19, 2018, 07:26:53 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 19, 2018, 07:25:49 PM
Nintex, why were you lying? What were you trying to accomplish?
I'm not lying. I'm saying Iran didn't give up their nukes.

That's my take on the situation. We both haven't been to Iran to verify if their Nuclear program still exists or not so we could very well both be wrong. But I'd be surprised if I was.
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Post by: shosta on October 19, 2018, 07:29:02 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 19, 2018, 07:26:53 PM
We both haven't been to Iran to verify if their Nuclear program still exists or not so we could very well both be wrong.
Someone should check your skull to verify if your brain exists because many of us are operating on an assumption that could very well be wrong
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Nintex on October 19, 2018, 07:29:30 PM
Quote from: Shostakovich on October 19, 2018, 07:29:02 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 19, 2018, 07:26:53 PM
We both haven't been to Iran to verify if their Nuclear program still exists or not so we could very well both be wrong.
Someone should check your skull to verify if your brain exists because many of us are operating on an assumption that could very well be wrong
Do not assume anything. I might be an AI for all you know.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: shosta on October 19, 2018, 07:30:16 PM
No, a fundamental component of artificial intelligence is the learning aspect
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Nintex on October 19, 2018, 07:30:57 PM
Quote from: Shostakovich on October 19, 2018, 07:30:16 PM
No, a fundamental component of artificial intelligence is the learning aspect
Maybe I'm learning humanity not to assume anything and think for themselves as free agents.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Mandark on October 19, 2018, 07:32:11 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 19, 2018, 07:26:53 PM
We both haven't been to Iran to verify if their Nuclear program still exists or not so we could very well both be wrong.

Imagine if someone had been there to do just that.

:mindblown
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Mandark on October 19, 2018, 07:35:53 PM
Note that Nintex's current argument is that while he has literally no evidence whatsoever, he can make logical inferences based on his own deep understanding of the geopolitical situation.

The same Nintex who said that a substantive peace agreement with North Korea was already done or it would "make no sense" to have a meeting.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: benjipwns on October 19, 2018, 07:37:38 PM
I must admit that it's quite suspicious that Iran has never invited me personally to inspect their nuclear program. What are they hiding? :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Mandark on October 19, 2018, 07:47:07 PM
After a couple decades of propaganda about Iran always being 18 months away from a bomb, you have to really be dedicated to being gullible to fall for it at this point. So congrats on that at least, Nintex.
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Post by: benjipwns on October 19, 2018, 08:02:28 PM
oh no the immigrant invasion broke through the gate on the Mexico-Guatemala border, they're sending those Iranian nuclear weapons to me instead of having me come to them, i take back my offer to inspect them :brazilcry
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Post by: Assimilate on October 20, 2018, 01:06:44 AM
Quote from: Mandark on October 19, 2018, 07:47:07 PM
After a couple decades of propaganda about Iran always being 18 months away from a bomb, you have to really be dedicated to being gullible to fall for it at this point. So congrats on that at least, Nintex.


Until they actually DO,  right?


fucking liberals  :lol

I'm so fucking glad I've outgrown that distinguished mentally-challenged.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Mandark on October 20, 2018, 01:12:00 AM
wut
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 20, 2018, 02:44:07 AM
Quote from: Mandark on October 20, 2018, 01:12:00 AM
wut
He so fucking glad I've outgrown that distinguished mentally-challenged.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: benjipwns on October 20, 2018, 03:05:42 AM
Quote from: Assimilate on October 20, 2018, 01:06:44 AM
Quote from: Mandark on October 19, 2018, 07:47:07 PM
After a couple decades of propaganda about Iran always being 18 months away from a bomb, you have to really be dedicated to being gullible to fall for it at this point. So congrats on that at least, Nintex.


Until they actually DO,  right?


fucking liberals  :lol

I'm so fucking glad I've outgrown that distinguished mentally-challenged.
Acquiring a nuclear weapon isn't exactly difficult if you have the capital necessary, the science isn't any kind of secret, the cost is just generally prohibitive if you didn't get in on the ground floor back in the day or nobody wants to help you out.

The world generally assumes Israel has nuclear weapons and that the Saudi's could essentially buy them whenever they wanted, for example, yet neither nation has incentive to fuck around about it publicly to get attention like the "Axis of Evil" has. Pakistan made their promise to match India's possession public while under sanctions and even that hasn't gone too terrible despite it meaning that three nuclear powers are having a continuous dispute over shitty territory.

Iran's lack of one has more to do with its reading of diplomatic signals that changed; Saddam and North Korea were pursuing them for ultimately illogical reasons so neither one had any incentive to just stop of their own accord. (Saddam just plain couldn't afford it after the Gulf War, he didn't control half his country and there were all these jerks looking in his buildings for one thing, it wasn't even an ideal form of WMD for his general murdering people purposes other than he wanted to be "first" among the Arabs.) Iran doesn't get anything out of pursuing it at all costs, especially to the point of giving up benefits, they already can fuck with Israel enough through their proxies nearby for way cheaper.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 20, 2018, 08:24:28 AM
Khashoggi must be the first person ever to die in a fist fight in their own embassy.

Quote from: Nintex on October 19, 2018, 05:11:13 PM
Quote from: Premium Lager on October 18, 2018, 12:47:05 AM
Is Nintex dutch?

Because thats the fucking Dutch mentality.

I wont do the right thing as long as someone else is doing something bad. Every time I talk to Dutch people it boils down to this.

Or Dutch people opposing wind energy because it will ruin the view LOL.

Fucking cop outs.
I literally live in a coastal town that blocked the plans for wind energy because it would ruin the view from our beach.  :smug

Is being dumb physically painful?

Did you get diagnosed for mental distinguished mentally-challenged or doesnit fly under the radar because the rest is distinguished mentally-challenged too?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Nintex on October 20, 2018, 09:06:40 AM
Quote from: Premium Lager on October 20, 2018, 08:24:28 AM
Khashoggi must be the first person ever to die in a fist fight in their own embassy.

Quote from: Nintex on October 19, 2018, 05:11:13 PM
Quote from: Premium Lager on October 18, 2018, 12:47:05 AM
Is Nintex dutch?

Because thats the fucking Dutch mentality.

I wont do the right thing as long as someone else is doing something bad. Every time I talk to Dutch people it boils down to this.

Or Dutch people opposing wind energy because it will ruin the view LOL.

Fucking cop outs.
I literally live in a coastal town that blocked the plans for wind energy because it would ruin the view from our beach.  :smug

Is being dumb physically painful?

Did you get diagnosed for mental distinguished mentally-challenged or doesnit fly under the radar because the rest is distinguished mentally-challenged too?
Part of the general public is blocking those ideas because they'll never supply enough power.
We could build a hydro plant, use even more solar panels and whatnot.

However the government and what we call 'the climate lobby' come up with plans that basically protect their own interests at the expense of citizens.
The only reason the big energy companies want those windmill parks is because...
1) They get EU subsidies
2) They get big tax breaks from the government for doing so

However, they never generate enough power, they pick the shittiest contractors they can find to build them and they're poorly maintained.
The energy companies instead buy more power cheaply from places like Russia and line their own pockets with the subsidies and tax incentives.

The best climate policy we had was 0 added taxes for electric and hybrid cars(which could end up anywhere between 5-7k in savings). But then Shell protested because gas stations would close down and people would lose jobs.
The government reversed the policy only to watch Shell replace their so called jobs with unmanned stations anyway.

Had they told Shell to go fuck themselves about 80% of all cars on the road would've been electric and/or hybrid by now.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Propagandhim on October 20, 2018, 02:20:10 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 20, 2018, 03:05:42 AM
Quote from: Assimilate on October 20, 2018, 01:06:44 AM
Quote from: Mandark on October 19, 2018, 07:47:07 PM
After a couple decades of propaganda about Iran always being 18 months away from a bomb, you have to really be dedicated to being gullible to fall for it at this point. So congrats on that at least, Nintex.


Until they actually DO,  right?


fucking liberals  :lol

I'm so fucking glad I've outgrown that distinguished mentally-challenged.
Acquiring a nuclear weapon isn't exactly difficult if you have the capital necessary, the science isn't any kind of secret, the cost is just generally prohibitive if you didn't get in on the ground floor back in the day or nobody wants to help you out.

The world generally assumes Israel has nuclear weapons and that the Saudi's could essentially buy them whenever they wanted, for example, yet neither nation has incentive to fuck around about it publicly to get attention like the "Axis of Evil" has. Pakistan made their promise to match India's possession public while under sanctions and even that hasn't gone too terrible despite it meaning that three nuclear powers are having a continuous dispute over shitty territory.

Iran's lack of one has more to do with its reading of diplomatic signals that changed; Saddam and North Korea were pursuing them for ultimately illogical reasons so neither one had any incentive to just stop of their own accord. (Saddam just plain couldn't afford it after the Gulf War, he didn't control half his country and there were all these jerks looking in his buildings for one thing, it wasn't even an ideal form of WMD for his general murdering people purposes other than he wanted to be "first" among the Arabs.) Iran doesn't get anything out of pursuing it at all costs, especially to the point of giving up benefits, they already can fuck with Israel enough through their proxies nearby for way cheaper.

I mean, losing your brightest physicists probably gets old, too.  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Iranian_nuclear_scientists)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: curly on October 20, 2018, 02:59:04 PM
https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/1053719298294902784

Saudi shills spin bullshit at levels Nintex can only dream of
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: shosta on October 20, 2018, 05:15:41 PM
RIP WTO (https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/10/19/the-trade-war-has-claimed-its-first-victim/)
Quote
[...] several WTO members, including Canada, China, Mexico, Norway, Russia, Turkey, and the EU, have requested that the organization establish a dispute panel to review the United States’ new trade barriers. Washington’s defense has been quite clear: According to the national security clause, the WTO cannot “prevent any contracting party from taking any action which it considers necessary for the protection of its essential security interests,” and only the United States can decide what is required to protect those interests. As such, not only are its actions valid under WTO rules, but they are also, in fact, beyond review.

Things aren’t as complicated when it comes to Canada, China, Mexico, and the EU. WTO rules require that whenever one member country believes that another has violated its trading rights, it must bring the matter to the WTO Dispute Settlement Body. Only this body can authorize retaliation. Since these countries acted wholly unilaterally in retaliating to Trump’s gambit, there is no question that they broke the rules. Unsurprisingly, the United States has already formally asked the WTO for a review.

Of course, the United States hasn’t been as careful to keep on the right side of the law in every case. Following the steel and aluminum tariffs, by the end of September, the United States had imposed subsequent tariffs on imports from China worth $250 billion. (China, naturally, responded in kind.) This time, the president used U.S. law—Section 301 of Trade Act of 1974—to justify the decision. As a result of a 2000 case brought to the WTO by the EU, though, the WTO had already deemed trade restrictions imposed under this law invalid. As such, the United States is not even close to being in the legal clear this time, but it isn’t obvious that it will matter.

23 years and it didn't do anything except bully small countries in favor of larger ones. Oh well - at least the charade is over.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Nintex on October 20, 2018, 06:13:28 PM
Quote
As such, not only are its actions valid under WTO rules, but they are also, in fact, beyond review.

Things aren’t as complicated when it comes to Canada, China, Mexico, and the EU. WTO rules require that whenever one member country believes that another has violated its trading rights, it must bring the matter to the WTO Dispute Settlement Body. Only this body can authorize retaliation. Since these countries acted wholly unilaterally in retaliating to Trump’s gambit, there is no question that they broke the rules. Unsurprisingly, the United States has already formally asked the WTO for a review.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3oEjHCWdU7F4hkcudy/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 21, 2018, 04:04:01 AM
Who cares about wto
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Nintex on October 21, 2018, 08:29:55 AM
https://twitter.com/robertshrimsley/status/1053984017610170370 (https://twitter.com/robertshrimsley/status/1053984017610170370)

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: jorma on October 21, 2018, 09:16:57 AM
Does anyone really care if Iran has nukes? It's not like they're any roguer than the other states that already have them.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 21, 2018, 01:17:15 PM
Yes.  I wouldn't be worried about them using them, more them selling them, materials or scientific knowledge.  Also what happens to them when the regime collapses? 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: shosta on October 21, 2018, 01:50:18 PM
You're more right than you realize. The people who are most interested in preventing Iran from having nuclear weapons are the ones most interested in regime change. Deproliferation policies are actually about damage control and intervention preparation.
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Post by: jorma on October 21, 2018, 01:51:21 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 21, 2018, 01:17:15 PM
Yes.  I wouldn't be worried about them using them, more them selling them, materials or scientific knowledge.  Also what happens to them when the regime collapses?

the same thing that happens to limey nukes when they brexit, duh.


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Nintex on October 21, 2018, 03:26:01 PM
May will likely face a vote of no confidence in the coming days.
According to an aid of David Davis she's entering the 'Killing Zone'.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Nintex on October 21, 2018, 06:10:15 PM
It has been estimated that the construction of new wind energy parks in the north sea will kill 5% of all porpoises  :'(
That number is seen as 'acceptable' by the climate lobby. Which means of the 300k animals, at least 15k will die.
The sound from the wind energy parks will make them deaf and they heavily rely on communication and especially their hearing to navigate the seas.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/29/a0/fd29a019f4acc18b5bd23aa92e9c07dd.jpg)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
oh hi our good vibes will be dead soon because of climate nazi's  :'(
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 22, 2018, 05:53:35 AM
Good luck building hydro plants in holland

U guys are what, 20 years behind on green energy? Meme country
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Assimilate on October 22, 2018, 06:15:55 PM
Woman was riding her bike today close to the highway... car pulled over asked for her phone, she fumbled it, they shot her dead.

And motherfucking libs are worried that Bolsonaro is a chauvinist? because he called some cunt ugly that routinely protects criminals and rapists???

People are dumb.

Come Sunday I hope he is elected and starts a massive rampage to clean up this place. Fucking call in the military. Let's clean house my guy.
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Post by: Broseidon on October 23, 2018, 05:13:41 PM
 ::)
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Post by: Rufus on October 23, 2018, 08:32:30 PM
He will personally go after those exact dudes. Count on it.
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Post by: Assimilate on October 23, 2018, 09:02:25 PM
A politician could have been hit with a deep fake over here.
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Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2018, 01:06:26 AM
Quote from: Assimilate on October 22, 2018, 06:15:55 PM
Come Sunday I hope he is elected and starts a massive rampage to clean up this place. Fucking call in the military. Let's clean house my guy.
He could at least wait until January 1st.

Even the Nazi's did most everything regarding their offices that they could by the letter of the law, something they never get any kind of plaudits for, for some reason.
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Post by: Assimilate on October 24, 2018, 01:14:33 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 24, 2018, 01:06:26 AM
Quote from: Assimilate on October 22, 2018, 06:15:55 PM
Come Sunday I hope he is elected and starts a massive rampage to clean up this place. Fucking call in the military. Let's clean house my guy.
He could at least wait until January 1st.

Even the Nazi's did most everything regarding their offices that they could by the letter of the law, something they never get any kind of plaudits for, for some reason.
will you eat dog shit if the country improves under his presidency?
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Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2018, 01:28:52 AM
Well, I never.

I'd be willing to yell at some in the street though: http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=44608.msg2518572#msg2518572
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Post by: curly on October 24, 2018, 05:43:28 PM
preview of Brazil's improvement:

-less rich white people killed by criminals, more poor browns killed by police and military
-privatize everything
-bulldoze the amazon for cattle destined to end up in an american mcdonalds improving food security in Brazil
-chud delight at the persecution of their bętes noires (socialists, feminists, poor people who object to getting shot by the police)
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Post by: zepblackstar on October 24, 2018, 07:16:44 PM
Brazil's 'Donald Trump' Bolsonaro winning female, gay vote
https://www.france24.com/en/20181024-gays-blacks-voting-brazil-elections-bolsonaro-despite-racism-homophobia

'Feminism is sexist': The women backing Brazil's Bolsonaro
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45944164

 :dead :dead :dead
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Post by: Assimilate on October 24, 2018, 09:45:02 PM
Quote from: curly on October 24, 2018, 05:43:28 PM
preview of Brazil's improvement:

-less rich white people killed by criminals, more poor browns killed by police and military
-privatize everything
-bulldoze the amazon for cattle destined to end up in an american mcdonalds improving food security in Brazil
-chud delight at the persecution of their bętes noires (socialists, feminists, poor people who object to getting shot by the police)

Quote from: zepblackstar on October 24, 2018, 07:16:44 PM
Brazil's 'Donald Trump' Bolsonaro winning female, gay vote
https://www.france24.com/en/20181024-gays-blacks-voting-brazil-elections-bolsonaro-despite-racism-homophobia

'Feminism is sexist': The women backing Brazil's Bolsonaro
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45944164

 :dead :dead :dead
Isn't it fucking annoying when libs from the states try and apply their REE REE logic and viewpoints to the rest of the world? Shouldn't that be a form of racism or something?

Look at that dumb fuck curly with absolutely no idea about the dynamics of the country simply touting the same bullshit party lines from the democrats in the States.
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Post by: shosta on October 24, 2018, 10:33:01 PM
currently imagining bizarro curly who's just a human megaphone for status quo democrats and prefers Western animation

And then I realized that's just Glen  :ohhh
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Post by: curly on October 25, 2018, 03:23:35 AM
Quote from: Shostakovich on October 24, 2018, 10:33:01 PM
currently imagining bizarro curly who's just a human megaphone for status quo democrats and prefers Western animation

And then I realized that's just Glen  :ohhh

:dead

true story before I transitioned to haranguing people for their garbage politics I spent most of my time online waging vicious war against shonen fanboys in MangaGAF.
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Post by: curly on October 25, 2018, 06:27:35 PM
etoilet got nothing on bleach stans
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Post by: Assimilate on October 25, 2018, 06:38:01 PM
2 more days fellas.


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Post by: benjipwns on October 26, 2018, 01:34:34 AM
I just found out that Papa Lukashenko is supposedly younger than the Clintons. :mindblown

I guess I just assumed all* the CIS states' freely and democratically elected leaders were in their late 70s.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
*Except for the ones who had died and been replaced in the people's hearts like His Excellency Saparmurat Türkmenbaşy.
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Post by: shosta on October 26, 2018, 03:05:54 AM
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/10/27/the-chinese-century-is-well-under-way
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Post by: agrajag on October 26, 2018, 07:31:51 AM
Nintex rn

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-bQgxg2nhNw4/VLVCnGMMiYI/AAAAAAAAALw/IWohF3cwoZU/s1600/benhornecivilwar.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: shosta on October 26, 2018, 01:24:47 PM
Kind of always bugged me that Horn was a Confederate enthusiast
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: agrajag on October 26, 2018, 02:39:58 PM
Quote from: Shostakovich on October 26, 2018, 01:24:47 PM
Kind of always bugged me that Horn was a Confederate enthusiast

I don't consider those non-Lynch, meandering season two side-plots as canon.  8)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: shosta on October 26, 2018, 02:47:35 PM
so, all of season 2?
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Post by: agrajag on October 26, 2018, 02:49:29 PM
Quote from: Shostakovich on October 26, 2018, 02:47:35 PM
so, all of season 2?

Not all of it was meandering  8)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: shosta on October 26, 2018, 02:51:37 PM
RELEVANT
https://youtu.be/boZamkRMCfg
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Assimilate on October 28, 2018, 12:42:37 AM
funny....

I had a professor from this country that I had no idea still had my number from a year ago when I had to take a supplemental course here sent a mass text recently to her WhatsApp list pushing for people to vote for the fucking left in this presidential election.



Yeah, the Universities are definitely run by commies  :doge
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 28, 2018, 01:05:30 AM
How do you define funny?
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Post by: Nintex on October 28, 2018, 06:56:50 AM
(https://abload.de/img/dqlij6pvaaadgjyyydhu.jpg)

 :teehee  :shh  :wag  :'(

The new World Order  :stahp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Nabbis on October 28, 2018, 08:22:18 AM
Putin really upped the botox these days, huh.
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Post by: VomKriege on October 28, 2018, 11:14:43 AM
A favor thrown at the EU to give them a seat. Though apparently European capitals will be needed to rebuild Syria, no one can or will pony up for that. And Turkey and the EU share worries about a peaceful, non migrant flux triggering, resolution for the last rebel holdout.
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Post by: Raist on October 28, 2018, 11:43:12 AM
Macron is like "Fuck this :rage I wanted to hold mommy Angela's hand :noah"
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Post by: Assimilate on October 28, 2018, 02:27:04 PM
look at these cunts
https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1056259812084850688

No one trusts the media anymore and trump is right to do what he does in calling it Fake News.
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Post by: Nintex on October 28, 2018, 05:55:58 PM
Looks like the result of the Brazilian elections will be known in about 10 - 15 minutes.
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Post by: Assimilate on October 28, 2018, 05:59:36 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 28, 2018, 05:55:58 PM
Looks like the result of the Brazilian elections will be known in about 10 - 15 minutes.
here weee gooo

And that's it. Bolsonaro wins.
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Post by: Nabbis on October 28, 2018, 06:02:53 PM
Putin won.
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Post by: Nintex on October 28, 2018, 06:06:50 PM
56% Bolsonaro wins  :mynicca

Now we wait for CNN, The Guardian, Politico, MSNBC  :brazilcry

Mexico better watch out they're instantly surrounded by the Nazi's now.

Making use of gestures seems very effective to get elected.
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/B00F/production/_103717054_gettyimages-939266540.jpg)
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Post by: Propagandhim on October 28, 2018, 07:00:27 PM
Quote from: Assimilate on October 28, 2018, 02:27:04 PM
look at these cunts
https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1056259812084850688

No one trusts the media anymore and trump is right to do what he does in calling it Fake News.

They always do this shit. "We lost a free, democratic election.  Democracy is in peril!"  They did the same thing when Salvini's party was elected - calling it a 'trend toward fascism'.  They think fascism is when the voting bloc coalesce around the democratically elected politician with strident anti-immigrant views.   
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Post by: Assimilate on October 28, 2018, 07:02:11 PM
Quote from: Propagandhim on October 28, 2018, 07:00:27 PM
Quote from: Assimilate on October 28, 2018, 02:27:04 PM
look at these cunts
https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1056259812084850688

No one trusts the media anymore and trump is right to do what he does in calling it Fake News.

They always do this shit. "We lost a free, democratic election.  Democracy is in peril!"  They did the same thing when Salvini was elected - calling it a 'trend toward fascism'.  They think fascism is when the voting bloc coalesce around the democratically elected politician with strident anti-immigrant views.
yeah it is fucking annoying.

if there is one thing I like about Trump it's that he went straight for the media. The media is has been shit for the last 20 years.
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Post by: Nintex on October 28, 2018, 07:11:05 PM
"Vote people, remember to vote"
"Boy do we love democracy"
"Don't boo... VOTE!"
"Your voice matters!"
"This guy said he won't accept the results BOOOO BOOOOO"

*voting ends, their guy didn't win*

"Oh no you dumb fuckers elected HITLER* again"

*Hitler was appointed Chancellor by a coalition of conservatives, military officers and businessmen not elected

"Look he once talked really loud and angry into a microphone just like YOU KNOW WHO"

"Wow, all those people waving their national flags. They're all a bunch of Nazi's 60% of the population *poof* instantly Nazi's"
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Post by: Propagandhim on October 28, 2018, 07:32:31 PM
https://twitter.com/parismarx/status/1056666322527047682


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqoXFz4XgAUrth7.jpg)


 :comeon
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Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2018, 07:39:37 PM
Quote from: Propagandhim on October 28, 2018, 07:00:27 PM
They always do this shit. "We lost a free, democratic election.  Democracy is in peril!" 
Ah, Kirk, my old friend, do you know the Klingon proverb that tells us "democracy dies in darkness"? Well, it is very cold in Brazil.

wait...let me try that again
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Post by: Assimilate on October 28, 2018, 07:39:45 PM
the guy has another post saying "Brazil has fallen"

like what? Bro the country is in shambles what do you mean it has NOW fallen?

libs are too much
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Post by: Nabbis on October 28, 2018, 07:48:16 PM
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/survivor1.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Propagandhim on October 28, 2018, 07:50:56 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 28, 2018, 07:39:37 PM
Quote from: Propagandhim on October 28, 2018, 07:00:27 PM
They always do this shit. "We lost a free, democratic election.  Democracy is in peril!" 
Ah, Kirk, my old friend, do you know the Klingon proverb that tells us "democracy dies in darkness"? Well, it is very cold in Brazil.

wait...let me try that again

Brazil needs fucking Judge Dredd at this point; a Park Chun-Hee not another charlatan that bilks the people and does some paltry, performative jail sentence.  The people have spoken. 
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Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2018, 07:56:43 PM
Quote from: Propagandhim on October 28, 2018, 07:50:56 PM
a Park Chun-Hee not another charlatan that bilks the people and does some paltry, performative jail sentence.
assassinated at a dinner party?
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Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2018, 08:00:56 PM
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTQzODI1NDc3OF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwODgwNzA0MQ@@._V1_SX300.jpg)
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Post by: Propagandhim on October 28, 2018, 08:07:57 PM
I hope those filmmakers were appropriately jailed.   :batman
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Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2018, 08:24:34 PM
they got sued by his son or something, for portraying him as too favorable to Japanese culture
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Post by: Cryo on October 28, 2018, 08:25:42 PM
can someone who isn’t American or Nintex remind me why electing this guy was a good idea
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 28, 2018, 08:29:30 PM
Quote from: Cryo on October 28, 2018, 08:25:42 PM
can someone who isn’t American or Nintex remind me why electing this guy was a good idea

something something liberals
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Post by: agrajag on October 28, 2018, 08:31:39 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 28, 2018, 08:29:30 PM
Quote from: Cryo on October 28, 2018, 08:25:42 PM
can someone who isn’t American or Nintex remind me why electing this guy was a good idea

something something liberals

Libruls causing truck accidents out there, stay safe Boritos
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Post by: Rufus on October 28, 2018, 08:43:24 PM
Past leaders have caused all the bad things. He is the opposite of them. Therefore, he will un-fuck everything. Also very nostalgic of Brazil's military dictatorship and an utter shitheel, but that doesn't mean anything/won't affect me/doesn't literally mean everything he says/etc.

Or, instead of my flippant nonsense:
https://soundcloud.com/watsoninstitute/making-sense-of-brazils-2018-presidential-election-1
https://soundcloud.com/watsoninstitute/making-sense-of-brazils-2018-presidential-election-part-2
(part 3 forthcoming)
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Post by: Assimilate on October 28, 2018, 08:56:22 PM
Quote from: Cryo on October 28, 2018, 08:25:42 PM
can someone who isn’t American or Nintex remind me why electing this guy was a good idea
The gist of it is this -

It was either him or the PT party puppet step in for Lula (former Brazilian president that is in jail). This party is responsible for Brazils problems, like really responsible. Most of them have gone to jail for one of the biggest corruption scandals in history (of any country).

The PT party even had a chance to run with a centrist called Ciro Gomez that would have won if he got their backing, which is a guy I did vote for on the first round of elections, but they didn't go with him because Lula (the guy in jail) wants to continue to control the party through his apointed puppets and Ciro wouldn't of gone with that.  So look how fucked up that situation is.

Bolsonaro is a right-wing former Military general that attracted a lot of political attention by being Trumpy, and saying outrageous shit. The people that voted for him hope he cracks down on crime, opens the country up for more foreign investment, and cleans house ending the corruption plaguing this country for decades now. That's what people hope for from him and what he has promised.

We shall see.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 28, 2018, 10:25:44 PM
Fuck you dude, I hope you suffer for this shit
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Post by: shosta on October 28, 2018, 11:05:49 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 28, 2018, 06:06:50 PM
Mexico better watch out they're instantly surrounded by the Nazi's now.
Worst post of the day goes to you.
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Post by: shosta on October 28, 2018, 11:33:52 PM
Quote from: Assimilate on October 28, 2018, 08:56:22 PM
This party is responsible for Brazils problems, like really responsible. Most of them have gone to jail for one of the biggest corruption scandals in history (of any country).
Brazil is inundated with crime and poverty. It has crime and poverty because it's in a deep recession. It's in a deep recession because commodity prices plummeted and never recovered in 2014. This happened partially because countries like China slowed down a little, supply chains changed, etc. The US dropped a shit-ton of oil onto the market and then the Saudis waged a year long economic war against Texas farmers. New mines opened up in Africa. Two of Brazil's biggest exports are oil and iron, so guess what happened when more product entered the market.

PT didn't want to cut social services. That's one issue. But deep austerity would make the problem worse. Brazil needs a combination of a contractionary money policy to curb inflation and an intact safety net to keep people from being hopelessly destitute enough to resort to crime. Brazil kept an expansionary policy in the hopes that cheap credit would fix the economy, and people would reinvest into different markets. That didn't really work.

I got some of these details wrong inevitably but the point is that Brazi's problem is not corruption, it is not the left wing or the right wing, it's that the forces of the world are large, destructive, and capricious, and Brazil was like a fishing boat in the water while a huge whaling vessel passes by. Blaming Lula is dumb. Voting for Jair is dumb in many ways, too, although being Filipino I'm sympathetic to people who turn to someone who promises order when crime feels out of control and the government seems hopelessly corrupt. But perspective is important.
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Post by: Trent Dole on October 29, 2018, 02:10:39 AM
Quote from: Stro on October 28, 2018, 07:54:54 PM
The gay caravan is gonna be :lawd
You mean queeravan. 
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Post by: Assimilate on October 29, 2018, 02:27:56 AM
Quote from: Shostakovich on October 28, 2018, 11:33:52 PM
Quote from: Assimilate on October 28, 2018, 08:56:22 PM
This party is responsible for Brazils problems, like really responsible. Most of them have gone to jail for one of the biggest corruption scandals in history (of any country).
Brazil is inundated with crime and poverty. It has crime and poverty because it's in a deep recession. It's in a deep recession because commodity prices plummeted and never recovered in 2014. This happened partially because countries like China slowed down a little, supply chains changed, etc. The US dropped a shit-ton of oil onto the market and then the Saudis waged a year long economic war against Texas farmers. New mines opened up in Africa. Two of Brazil's biggest exports are oil and iron, so guess what happened when more product entered the market.

PT didn't want to cut social services. That's one issue. But deep austerity would make the problem worse. Brazil needs a combination of a contractionary money policy to curb inflation and an intact safety net to keep people from being hopelessly destitute enough to resort to crime. Brazil kept an expansionary policy in the hopes that cheap credit would fix the economy, and people would reinvest into different markets. That didn't really work.

I got some of these details wrong inevitably but the point is that Brazi's problem is not corruption, it is not the left wing or the right wing, it's that the forces of the world are large, destructive, and capricious, and Brazil was like a fishing boat in the water while a huge whaling vessel passes by. Blaming Lula is dumb. Voting for Jair is dumb in many ways, too, although being Filipino I'm sympathetic to people who turn to someone who promises order when crime feels out of control and the government seems hopelessly corrupt. But perspective is important.

This is what happens when you Google too much.

Corruption isn't a problem? Like when you pay your government to do government things and the only return you get is.... nothing that's a problem homie. When you pay your taxes and the local municipality doesn't pay their garbage men  because the Governor embezzled millions of millions of dollars then there is garbage left on the streets. That's a problem.

Corruption is systemic here. On all levels. Foreign entities don't want to do business here because of it. People don't want to invest. The bureaucracy is out of control because of how big the government is. Like, it's an immense amount of paperwork to buy a house, and then you buy a house and realize there are problems there with the paperwork from years ago, and you can't move in, and it's in limbo for months, maybe years, and you just blew thousands of dollars, etc etc etc

Lula isn't to blame? He took welfare and spread it far and wide. Here we have a social warfare program to help the poor and it is predicated on the fact that your child HAS TO ATTEND school. This is a program put into place before Lula and it worked but when Lula came in he upped it and spread it all over the country, to a lot of undeserving people. It's requirements was loosened, and not checked upon. Now you get these people that don't send their kids to school, but to the streets to sell candy and whatever the fuck else, crime even, and yet still get government assistance. It is a huge problem.

Like, we have the highest energy bill of any modern country (I think we are third in the world amongst all people). The energy companies embezzle millions while not fixing infrastructure. The two main energy sources are government controlled.

Decades in power and the poor are still poor, uneducated, and violent. Decades in power and the infrastructure is a mess. Decades in power and stole billions upon billions upon billions of dollars from the country and you say it's not a problem? lol The country has no more faith in government, or in their own people, and are apathetic with no respect for each other.

You fucking libs are so ridiculous stupid because Putin and his cronies do the same thing. They rob the country blind but of course you're totally about shitting on that guy aren't ya? But noooooo poor Lula he was a good guy. Why because he was a let-wing idiot? So was Hugo Chaves and the current Venezuelan President that sunk what used to be one of the richest countries in Latin America.

Like, bruh, stop Googling all the time. Listen to the people that actually live somewhere.
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Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2018, 03:16:42 AM
But he's right that Lula isn't entirely to blame, it isn't like Lula introduced that corruption, the PSDB, hell, the military introduced, just as much of it, the overly bureaucratic state of Brazil easily dates back to the 1940's. de Mello's presidency crashed and burned in a little over two years because of his corruption. Cardoso wasn't much more successful as debt exploded, and sorta like Nixon he started many of the programs that Lula-Dilma would expand.

Lula ran for and lost how many elections before he finally got in? Plus, as a leftist, like in the Scandinavian countries, Canada, etc. Lula had the benefit of being able to make the cuts and such necessary to slice down the debt and avoid default that right-lean parties can never do as easily, so there's that benefit. Even as I noted he expanded a good number of those pre-existing programs, he probably saved money on Bosla Familia compared to Cardoso's more haphazard implementation. I see that you disagree with it, but in many cases, the nationalization of those kinds of programs can save money and work more efficiently than having 50 of them or so. Maybe in Brazil corruption ruined that, but that doesn't mean it would have been better or even less corrupt had the money stayed in the hands of the locals.

There's far less positive to be said about Dilma, she was always a hack and cronyist of the worst from what I ever heard about her. But Lula probably was a better President than both his predecessors and successors all things considered. Lula was only in there for eight years, the "Right" had power for the 17 years before him during "Democracy" and Dilma had about six years after him. So your "decades" stuff automatically can't throw it all on Lula.

And I certainly have no reason to praise Lula*, but dude's worst "left" qualities were more for show than anything. Similar to someone like Bill Clinton, for example.

*And as I started elsewhere from what I can tell Brazilian law was followed fairly properly in not letting him run this time. PT's main problem was they based all their hopes on him running rather than finding a proper backup candidate.
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Post by: Assimilate on October 29, 2018, 04:04:09 AM
Of course Lula doesn't hold 100% of the responsibility and I leave out Dilma because she was always so bad it's not even worth mentioning her. And of course Lula did good, so did Hugo Chaves. I'm sure at the end of Trump we can pinpoint some things he actually did well that no one else did. But so what?

As a whole the PT party fucked this country during a time that it was supposed to become a powerhouse. It was squandered and that is where the hate and resentment comes from.

I want some of you to understand this point here because it's critical- look at Mr giant dad here

Quote from: TakingBackSunday on October 28, 2018, 10:25:44 PM
Fuck you dude, I hope you suffer for this shit

He probably believes this is how things go in this country, that middle to upper middle class educated people vote left, and they don't. Not in this country, not in recent years. Sao Paulo's technology hub, I believe the richest per capita out of any other area in Brazil, all vote right leaning. Understand? It's the complete opposite of the U.S.

Lula, the champion of the left dropped out of school in the second grade. He has no formal education. He was a union worker and he entered politics this way. The dude can barely fucking read. And he warned up to everyone from Chavez to Castro. This is what he wanted for Brazil, and if he was allowed to continue to go in that direction he would have.
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Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2018, 04:40:40 AM
I'm just saying that the PT's power/corruption and the PSDB's power/corruption should probably get at least an equal accounting for that; many of the parties that have gained the last two cycles are new ones, a lot of the newly popular candidates including Bolsonaro are coming out of new areas. He's been around since the dawn of democracy but was a fringe nut who was mostly irrelevant, some of the other new leftists or moderates are similar or totally new to the game. PSDB discredited itself and then PT did except Lula.

Other than PDT, all the parties that gained +3 seats are ones that have either started out or totally re-branded themselves since Lula was on his way out after the mid-2000s. The old guard: PT, PTB, PSDB and MDB combined to lose 85 seats.

I imagine the only reason PT even made it to the run-off is because it was only a month before that Lula got knocked off. He was seemingly the only person in Brazil to have any real broad following left, until this created by 4chan and Russia (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/brazil-jair-bolsonaro-facebook-elections) Proud Boy Incel Coup Leader (https://theintercept.com/2018/10/28/jair-bolsonaro-elected-president-brazil/) got his because of memes.
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Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2018, 04:43:49 AM
part of 4chan's secret fascist meme election stealing work from that Buzzfeed author:
(https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2018-10/8/10/asset/buzzfeed-prod-web-01/sub-buzz-32491-1539007674-5.jpg)
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Post by: Assimilate on October 29, 2018, 04:53:10 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 29, 2018, 04:43:49 AM
part of 4chan's secret fascist meme election stealing work from that Buzzfeed author:
(https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2018-10/8/10/asset/buzzfeed-prod-web-01/sub-buzz-32491-1539007674-5.jpg)
You gotta admit this shit is fucking hilarious

I'm not going to deny there are many risks involved in electing this guy. And like people were hoping for Trump to go more to the center and curb his crazy ass rhetoric we are hopping the same happens in this situation.

Trump didn't do it. But at least from the opening speech given yesterday by Bolsonaro he seems like he will.


** just to give more clarity - there were people in the streets cheering for the fucking police. waving and handshaking and patting police on the back, and all kinds of patriotism for the POLICE. This is how much people are craving the idea of safety in this country.

found a tweet https://twitter.com/tomphillipsin/status/1056741239939387392?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1056741239939387392&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fworld%2Flive%2F2018%2Foct%2F28%2Fbrazil-election-2018-second-round-of-voting-closes-as-bolsonaro-eyes-the-presidency-live

***It's astonishing to me how the mainstream media warp the entire situation here and focus on only his divisive remarks made to stir up his base. This is all the media focuses on because it's what grabs eyeballs from dumb libs. It is mind numbingly stupid.

Every single person I know here has been assaulted at least once. Last month a friend of mine was assaulted at gun point. A few months earlier, another friend of mine assaulted at gun point. Both women because women are prayed on by criminals.

The culture here is totally different than the U.S. There is a level of shame in the states for being poor, people that beg on the street tend to do it with intense humility. Here they do not lol. A teenager will come up to you asking you for shit and if you don't give it to him he turns around with attitude. I've seen some little fucker spit on a guy because he didn't buy the candy he was selling.

This place is fucking backwards. It needs to get put back on track by an iron fist. The left did not work here.
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Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2018, 05:23:31 AM
I mentioned this in the garbage thread related to ERA's handwringing over this, that unlike Trump who has had single party majorities, this is the Congress Bolsonaro is going to get to work with, with many of the parties against or at least not for him:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Camara_dos_Deputados_do_Brasil_2018.svg/240px-Camara_dos_Deputados_do_Brasil_2018.svg.png)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Senado_Federal_Brasil_2018.svg/240px-Senado_Federal_Brasil_2018.svg.png)

When Dilma was sworn back in after 2014, her coalition had 60% of the seats. Less than two years later the same Congress had reorganized the coalitions enough that they impeached and convicted her! Even if the Democrats gain the House and tie up the Senate in a couple weeks they wouldn't be able to do that to Trump.

Bolsonaro might even enter office with a majority in Congress openly against him.

It's sorta like how Trump hasn't really gotten anything on the Wall, Congress may not be interested in the same priorities. There's probably more support for stuff like taxes and so on, same as Trump had to switch focus to.
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Post by: Assimilate on October 29, 2018, 05:29:09 AM
And that's worrisome because I can see him doing something crazy if they completely oppose him.

On another note my god does being a conservative pay off or what?

Bolsonaros wife is 38. He's 63  :lol

I'm all in on this conservative Christian shit here in this country. Maybe I start going to church  :doge
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Post by: Rufus on October 29, 2018, 09:36:22 AM
woops

https://twitter.com/castriotar/status/1055836519318122496
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Post by: Nabbis on October 29, 2018, 09:40:19 AM
But are there any truck drivers arrested? :idont
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Post by: Assimilate on October 29, 2018, 10:24:43 AM
Quote from: Rufus on October 29, 2018, 09:36:22 AM
woops

https://twitter.com/castriotar/status/1055836519318122496

whoooops too bad this isn't real . You are not allowed to protest on certain parts of public facilities no matter what you are saying during election time. This has been the law. Whoops

 :gamergate

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Post by: Rufus on October 29, 2018, 10:33:22 AM
"See no evil, hear no evil" huh? :heh
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Post by: Tiops on October 29, 2018, 10:39:43 AM
I posted on Era that I voted for Bolsonaro. Goodbye, account.

Also, you can have that kind of political materials on universities on election weekends because those unviversities are also voting stations, and they're also public facilities, so...
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Post by: Rufus on October 29, 2018, 10:58:10 AM
You can't, you mean?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Assimilate on October 29, 2018, 11:45:24 AM
Quote from: Rufus on October 29, 2018, 10:58:10 AM
You can't, you mean?
Correct, you can not.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Rufus on October 29, 2018, 11:49:41 AM
What about disrupting classes and confiscating material on the history of fascism?
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Post by: Assimilate on October 29, 2018, 11:51:50 AM
Quote from: Rufus on October 29, 2018, 11:49:41 AM
What about disrupting classes and confiscating material on the history of fascism?
There's no indication this actually happened for any other reason than people doing something they should not be doing during election time.

Stop reaching for shit dude. It's so fucking annoying when the libs lose a democratic election that is voted on by the people all of a sudden democracy is doomed. 

The best are these tweets from people that don't live here like "Brazil stay safe" or "stay strong" or "it's over for Brazil"  lol fucking stop. This place has been a lawless mess for years. Fucking idiots, why do you think people are in the streets cheering on police officers? because they thrive dictatorship or some shit? Like USE YOUR FUCKING MIND

 :snoop
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Post by: shosta on October 29, 2018, 11:57:02 AM
Rufus annihilated. Maybe next time that'll teach you Deutsche to not lecture people on what is or isn't an authoritarian slide.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Rufus on October 29, 2018, 12:01:56 PM
Quote from: Assimilate on October 29, 2018, 11:51:50 AM
Quote from: Rufus on October 29, 2018, 11:49:41 AM
What about disrupting classes and confiscating material on the history of fascism?
There's no indication this actually happened for any other reason than people doing something they should not be doing during election time.
Banners above voting sites I can kind of see, but what about the classes?
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Post by: Assimilate on October 29, 2018, 12:04:08 PM
Quote from: Rufus on October 29, 2018, 12:01:56 PM
Quote from: Assimilate on October 29, 2018, 11:51:50 AM
Quote from: Rufus on October 29, 2018, 11:49:41 AM
What about disrupting classes and confiscating material on the history of fascism?
There's no indication this actually happened for any other reason than people doing something they should not be doing during election time.
Banners above voting sites I can kind of see, but what about the classes?

There hasn't been any reports of widespread abuse of this nature, whatever was removed was being removed because it was against the law during election time.

stop it for fuck sakes. until there is military marching on the streets arresting people for innocent protest move on bro. seriously, move the fuck on. find something else to hot take about.


you people need to get off social media.

 :picard
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Post by: Rufus on October 29, 2018, 12:09:14 PM
It being widespread was never the point, friendo. I ask again, is disrupting classes and confiscating material on the history of fascism (presuambly handed out during those classes), just honky dory?

Quote
stop it for fuck sakes. until there is military marching on the streets arresting people for innocent protest move on bro. seriously, move the fuck on. find something else to hot take about.
"Shut up until it's too late." :rofl
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Post by: Assimilate on October 29, 2018, 12:11:05 PM
Quote from: Rufus on October 29, 2018, 12:09:14 PM
It being widespread was never the point, friendo. I ask again, is disrupting classes and confiscating material on the history of fascism (presuambly handed out during those classes), just honky dory?

Quote
stop it for fuck sakes. until there is military marching on the streets arresting people for innocent protest move on bro. seriously, move the fuck on. find something else to hot take about.
"Shut up until it's too late." :rofl
  ::)

don't you feel dumb being manipulated like this?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Rufus on October 29, 2018, 12:12:41 PM
You're one to talk, seeing as how you were literally spooked into your political views.
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Post by: Tiops on October 29, 2018, 12:21:40 PM
Well, I hope that wasn't actually the case, that military entered classes to confiscate materials. The report from Folha (which was clearly against Bolsonaro during the elections) only contains evidence of banners and shit being removed from public facilities, and that's absolutely prohibited by law. The only case of actual interference in the classroom was caused by the daughter of a policeman that called him because she said that the teacher was advocating for a candidate. Of course it's terrible, but it's a very specific situation.

The shitstorm here would be way bigger if this was exactly what happened. This happened while Bolsonaro was not elected yet, so even if you believe that he'll be a fascist ruler, he still doesn't have that power. Supreme Court would interefere, at least, and the opposing parties would be raising hell.

As you can see, it was the Electoral Justice with the police, not the army.


EDIT: And I'm permabanned from Era lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Assimilate on October 29, 2018, 12:30:40 PM
Quote from: Tiops on October 29, 2018, 12:21:40 PM


EDIT: And I'm permabanned from Era lol

You knew that was going to happen.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Rufus on October 29, 2018, 12:34:02 PM
Quote from: Tiops on October 29, 2018, 12:21:40 PM
This happened while Bolsonaro was not elected yet, so even if you believe that he'll be a fascist ruler, he still doesn't have that power. Supreme Court would interefere, at least, and the opposing parties would be raising hell.

As you can see, it was the Electoral Justice with the police, not the army.
Yeah, the "military police" threw me at first, too, but Wikipedia cleared that up. I also realize this happened before he was elected. (There are only a couple of Twitter accounts a check once a week or so, so I'm never really current on anything there.)

This kind of thing is worrying to me, even if it is just an isolated incident.
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Post by: Tiops on October 29, 2018, 12:39:02 PM
Quote from: Assimilate on October 29, 2018, 12:30:40 PM
Quote from: Tiops on October 29, 2018, 12:21:40 PM


EDIT: And I'm permabanned from Era lol

You knew that was going to happen.

I sure do. I actually posted there because I saw another user being banned just by saying that he voted for Bolsonaro, so I think there's no point to keep posting there. I'm not going to keep holding myself and hiding shit that I do just to not get banned there.

Quote from: Rufus on October 29, 2018, 12:34:02 PM
Yeah, the "military police" threw me at first, too, but Wikipedia cleared that up. I also realize this happened before he was elected. (There are only a couple of Twitter accounts a check once a week or so, so I'm never really current on anything there.)

This kind of thing is worrying to me, even if it is just an isolated incident.

I agree that it's a bit worrying. I voted for him a bit worried about how the next years are going to be, but I'm absolutely sure that our economy would not stand 8 more years of PT, and any chance of future corruption charges would disappear. But I'm aware of the risks, and hoping for the best.

As I described to a friend of mine, I decided between a "game" of russian roulette or just shooting myself in the face.
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Post by: Rufus on October 29, 2018, 12:40:08 PM
Quote from: Tiops on October 29, 2018, 12:39:02 PM
As I described to a friend of mine, I decided between a "game" of russian roulette or just shooting myself in the face.
:-\
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Post by: Assimilate on October 29, 2018, 12:43:04 PM
Quote from: Rufus on October 29, 2018, 12:34:02 PM


This kind of thing is worrying to me, even if it is just an isolated incident.
It's not worrying to you that people die here in droves for simply having a cell phone? lol

It's not worrying to you that hard working middle class Brazilians are afraid to go out at night?

I'm confused. Honestly. You go into that distinguished mentally-challenged resetera thread and you see a bunch of moronic kids talking about how all of a sudden Brasil is doomed, it's been doomed. It's hellishly dangerous here and has been for a long time. It's seriously insane to me how easily people can be manipulated by tweets and hot take media. It astonishes me.

Those on the left think they are well informed educated people but they aren't. They are just as easily manipulated as a trailer park make America great again hat wearing lunatic. There really is no difference between the two.

To get the left bent out of shape all you have to do is talk about 'minorities'. Yet, you are more likely going to be assaulted for your phone than anything 'minority' related. But no one on the left cares? Lol wtf. And women are currently targeted more than anyone else because they're easy targets, not because they have boobs.

It's sooooooooo stupid.
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Post by: Rufus on October 29, 2018, 12:47:59 PM
I don't trust right-wing authoritarians to actually want to tackle the underlying problems of those issues. Going by Bolsonaro's words, I expect more retribution against political enemies than solutions. Call me crazy. /shrug
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Post by: Assimilate on October 29, 2018, 12:53:12 PM
Quote from: Rufus on October 29, 2018, 12:47:59 PM
I don't trust right-wing authoritarians to actually want to tackle the underlying problems of those issues. Going by Bolsonaro's words, I expect more retribution against political enemies than solutions. Call me crazy. /shrug
He comes with risks. We all know that dude.

But like Tiops said it was a choice between Russian roulette or being shot in the face.

Just to give you an idea: When it looked like PT was goin to win, 1 U.S dollar shot up to 4.23 Brazilian reis. Now it's currently at 3.69. It has dropped, and will probably continue to level out. If Haddad had one, the dollar could have easily been in the 5s which could have easily thrown this place into chaos.

No one trusted that party, domestically or internationally. The markets would have imploded.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Tiops on October 29, 2018, 01:16:01 PM
Quote from: Rufus on October 29, 2018, 12:47:59 PM
I don't trust right-wing authoritarians to actually want to tackle the underlying problems of those issues. Going by Bolsonaro's words, I expect more retribution against political enemies than solutions. Call me crazy. /shrug

I don't trust too, but Bolsonaro has no choice but to do a great government, or else PT is coming back in full force in 2022. Unless we enter a dictatorship state, but honestly if this is a risk, it would be also a risk with PT winning. I mean, the moment they tried to release Lula from prison (and they officially declared multiple times that they would do it), there would be chaos here.
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Post by: shosta on October 29, 2018, 01:21:15 PM
I'm caught up now and the worst things Assimilate has said are 1) compulsory education is a bad idea and 2) he's stoked for the country to move back to conservative Christian values because it'll be easier for him to get women.

pretty bad hombre imo
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Post by: agrajag on October 29, 2018, 01:23:39 PM
It just didn't happen alright, stop reaching for shit bro ok?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: curly on October 29, 2018, 01:32:58 PM
https://twitter.com/Estadao/status/1056860697160609792

"Bolsonaro wins in 97% of the richest cities and Haddad in 98% of the poor"
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Post by: agrajag on October 29, 2018, 01:45:11 PM
But economic anxiety
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Post by: shosta on October 29, 2018, 01:47:26 PM
That graph is annoying because HDI should be the independent variable, not %votes for Bolsonaro.

 ::)

anyway another way to interpret this is that Bolsonaro is primarily an urban phenomenon.
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Post by: Tiops on October 29, 2018, 02:09:35 PM
This also happens because he lost in the Northeast, that is by far the poorest region in Brazil. Bolsonaro won by a mile in every center/southern State, which are in way better conditions. So it's expected.

Situation improved in the Northeast during Lula's years, and the Worker's party have a high dominance there, because even though the situation is absolutely terrible there, it's less terrible than it was on the 90s. If Bolsonaro manage to do a good job there during his government, the left is absolutely fucked here, because at the moment, they managed to convince everyone there that PT is the only party that will do everything good for them. I mean, during Lula and Dilma years, they had TV commercials that displayed food being removed from the plates of poor homes, saying in threatening voices that they would return to hunger if PT lost.

(https://i.imgur.com/LY3Q1hQ.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Broseidon on October 29, 2018, 02:58:03 PM
The interests of international businesses and those of the people of [LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRY] are aligned
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Post by: Nintex on October 29, 2018, 03:30:07 PM
Yeah politics in general in Brazil seemed fucked up with the corruption, jailed presidents and a country on the brink of becoming the next Venezuela.

If anything Bolsonaro might 'wake up' the left that they need to change course and can't coast to victory automatically. As for Bolsonaro. When you dig into the details you figure out that his most controversial statements were made on a television show that specifically had him on to say those controversial things. Overall he seems more 'bark' than 'bite' and on some points he already backtracked during the campaign. There's also lawmakers and such who have to enact any of his policies to begin with.
Unlike what the '#resistance' thinks dictatorships don't happen overnight. They're planned and they're usually backed by business interests and/or the military.
Hitler wasn't elected he was appointed. A fact that seems to be overlooked everytime a politician raises his or her voice.

It doesn't seem like a President who got in with 55% of the vote is a prime candidate to launch a dictatorship. On the long term that could be a risk if checks and balances on power fail.
But let's be real here. The media acts as if Steve Bannon has a copy machine in his basement and churns out 'The German Trump', 'The Tropic Trump', 'The Japanese Trump' or wherever elections are held.
Bolsonaro is nothing like Trump. He uses hand gestures and he says controversial things. That's about it in terms of things they have in common. Bolsonaro is pretty much a carreer politician.
He didn't 'hijack' an established party as his vessel to avenge a roast at a dinner party.

The media also doesn't seem to realize that calling Bolsonaro 'The Trump of the Tropics' makes him more likely to succeed electorally. Especially countries with deep economic problems (Italy, Brazil etc.) look at Trump as if he's created an economic miracle and wish the same for their own countries. Because that's how Trump portrays his victories and that's pretty much the only thing the media backs him on. Also compared to HITLER or a Military dictatorship Trump doesn't seem that 'scary' as a leader of your country.
So the media kinda creates this ridiculous narrative that this Trump-like guy will launch a military dictatorship.

In reailty though the media and liberals have a terrible 'radar' to detect dictators.
People they backed that turned out to have dictatorial ambitions include:
- Vladimir Putin (who the media and liberals portrayed as a 'boring bureaucrat' who in the revolving door of Russian Prime Ministers would be gone within a year)
- Xi Jinping (again a boring loyal party member who was picked for the job because he wouldn't threaten those in power and didn't have any grand ambitions)
- Recep Tajip Erdogan (who as 'liberal' mayor of Instanbul showed that he preferred markets over religion)
- Kim Jun Un (I'm not even kidding. The media predicted that Un was a liberal and would dismantle the dictatorship because he had studied abroad)
- Muhammed Morsi (the 'moderate' leader of the Muslim Brotherhood who filled a stadium to declare war on Israel and Syria on the eve before he was ousted by the military and had started to purge his political opponents)

And they failed to see it coming with all of them. :lol
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Post by: Mandark on October 29, 2018, 03:47:53 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 29, 2018, 03:30:07 PM
- Kim Jun Un (I'm not even kidding. The media predicted that Un was a liberal and would dismantle the dictatorship because he had studied abroad)

You're lying again.

Also, do you really want to talk about who was making dumbass predictions about the DPRK? Really?
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Post by: Nintex on October 29, 2018, 04:07:09 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 29, 2018, 03:47:53 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 29, 2018, 03:30:07 PM
- Kim Jun Un (I'm not even kidding. The media predicted that Un was a liberal and would dismantle the dictatorship because he had studied abroad)

You're lying again.

Also, do you really want to talk about who was making dumbass predictions about the DPRK? ReallY?
Nope, the media did extensive coverage about his time in Switzerland.
Calling Kim a moderating force and worrying that the miilitary would overthrow the 'weak' new leader who was well educated and played PlayStation games during college.
Kim had to be protected from the countries hardliners such as his uncle. Who the 'moderate' allegedly strapped to a pole and shot to pieces with an anti-aircraft gun.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Mandark on October 29, 2018, 04:11:54 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 29, 2018, 03:30:07 PM
- Kim Jun Un (I'm not even kidding. The media predicted that Un was a liberal and would dismantle the dictatorship because he had studied abroad)

That's a lie there buddy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Assimilate on October 29, 2018, 04:41:35 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 29, 2018, 04:11:54 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 29, 2018, 03:30:07 PM
- Kim Jun Un (I'm not even kidding. The media predicted that Un was a liberal and would dismantle the dictatorship because he had studied abroad)

That's a lie there buddy.
That's actually not a lie. It's a stretch, but not a blatant lie. There were media outlets trying to warm up to the guy, saying he could potentially dismantle the dictatorship and he still can so who knows.

Quote from: curly on October 29, 2018, 01:32:58 PM
https://twitter.com/Estadao/status/1056860697160609792

"Bolsonaro wins in 97% of the richest cities and Haddad in 98% of the poor"


I wonder if you think the "poor" in Brazil is the same as the poor in the United States. They are A LOT poorer. Also a lot more violent, a lot more ignorant, a lot more uneducated, it just keeps going from there.

And when it says 97% of the richest cities.... how rich do you think they are talking? There's nothing here that can compare to a Manhattan, or San Fran, not even fucking close. One of the richest cities here is Leblon and you'd think it was upper middle class at most.

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Post by: Mandark on October 29, 2018, 04:46:28 PM
nah it's a lie
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 29, 2018, 04:56:45 PM
Quote from: Rufus on October 29, 2018, 12:09:14 PM
It being widespread was never the point, friendo. I ask again, is disrupting classes and confiscating material on the history of fascism (presuambly handed out during those classes), just honky dory?

Quote
stop it for fuck sakes. until there is military marching on the streets arresting people for innocent protest move on bro. seriously, move the fuck on. find something else to hot take about.
"Shut up until it's too late." :rofl

First they came for...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 29, 2018, 04:59:11 PM
Quote from: Assimilate on October 29, 2018, 04:41:35 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 29, 2018, 04:11:54 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 29, 2018, 03:30:07 PM
- Kim Jun Un (I'm not even kidding. The media predicted that Un was a liberal and would dismantle the dictatorship because he had studied abroad)

That's a lie there buddy.
That's actually not a lie. It's a stretch, but not a blatant lie. There were media outlets trying to warm up to the guy, saying he could potentially dismantle the dictatorship and he still can so who knows.

Sure he went all in developing ICBMs to give up all his power and create a stable democracy  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: curly on October 29, 2018, 04:59:49 PM
nintex why are you trying to pass off obvious lies at a place where everyone (including you) knows you're full of shit? do you just enjoy roleplaying as a fash propagandist as a distraction from your dull, meaningless Dutch existence?
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Post by: shosta on October 29, 2018, 05:20:07 PM
When I found out he was an upper level manager, I was completely unsurprised.
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Post by: Nintex on October 29, 2018, 05:23:14 PM
I know the entire planet is hit by amnesia. But when Kim Jun Il died speculation was rife that this new young leader would reform the country just because he was young and had studied abroad or that he would be a puppet for the military.
None had predicted he would kill his own family members to assert control.

And even if you debate me on Kim, fine. But what about the other 5 that they didn't see coming like the boring Russian bureaucrat and Erdogan?

The point still stands, the media is terrible in spotting those that aspire to dictatorial power.
Or am I lying too that Vladimir Putin was considered a boring bureaucrat not meant to last for politics.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: shosta on October 29, 2018, 05:26:20 PM
Predicting is hard, I think you have some experience with that, yourself, as Mandark points out.
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Post by: curly on October 29, 2018, 05:29:20 PM
Notice the change from "a liberal who would dismantle the dictatorship" to just a general reformer
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Post by: Mandark on October 29, 2018, 05:37:06 PM
Some chutzpah to whinge about "amnesia" while retconning a post from two hours ago.
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Post by: Nintex on October 29, 2018, 06:09:21 PM
https://twitter.com/jairbolsonaro/status/1057001393884676096 (https://twitter.com/jairbolsonaro/status/1057001393884676096)

 :putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Mandark on October 29, 2018, 06:11:20 PM
Also yes, you're lying about coverage of Erdogan too.
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Post by: Assimilate on October 29, 2018, 06:23:12 PM
why is the left eating a bag of dicks all over the world?

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Post by: Nabbis on October 29, 2018, 06:37:10 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 29, 2018, 05:23:14 PM
I know the entire planet is hit by amnesia. But when Kim Jun Il died speculation was rife that this new young leader would reform the country just because he was young and had studied abroad or that he would be a puppet for the military.
None had predicted he would kill his own family members to assert control.

And even if you debate me on Kim, fine. But what about the other 5 that they didn't see coming like the boring Russian bureaucrat and Erdogan?

The point still stands, the media is terrible in spotting those that aspire to dictatorial power.
Or am I lying too that Vladimir Putin was considered a boring bureaucrat not meant to last for politics.

Putin was very different before becoming a President. I don't know if he just gave up or was in it for the long game but old Russian interviews certainly paint a different trajectory compared to what happened. Then again, the dude was KGB. I do remember that Kim stuff though, dunno if media championed him but there was some speculation.
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Post by: agrajag on October 29, 2018, 06:47:09 PM
Quote from: Stro on October 29, 2018, 06:45:03 PM
Did u know

Vladimir Putin's middle name is Vladimirovich

That's because his father's name is Vladimir also. Very common occurrence in Russia.
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Post by: Nintex on October 29, 2018, 06:57:07 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 29, 2018, 06:11:20 PM
Also yes, you're lying about coverage of Erdogan too.
Erdogan was seen as a reformer. Which is why the EU wanted to explore EU membership for Turkey and foreign investors poured in.
He was expected to take the country from a military state to a democratic state. He started peace negotations with the Kurds, liberalized the markets and ran on a social-democratic program with the AKP.
At one point he used the Gulen movement to purge the military only to purge the Gulen movement years later.
Over the years his rule over the country turned more authoritarian, Islamist and conservative.
 
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Post by: Rufus on October 29, 2018, 07:01:45 PM
So, where does the terrible radar come in again?
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Post by: Nintex on October 29, 2018, 07:07:57 PM
Quote from: Rufus on October 29, 2018, 07:01:45 PM
So, where does the terrible radar come in again?
They always give those guys the benefit of the doubt.

- Putin has to look strong because that's how Russia works but deep down he is a liberal
- Erdogan needed to do this to stop the military from taking over but as soon as things have settled down he will tone down his rhetoric and start reforming again
etc. etc.
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Post by: Mandark on October 29, 2018, 07:09:59 PM
When Erdogan became prime minister, media coverage heavily featured his Islamist ties (it would be dumb to assume they didn't since this was at the peak of the Bush-era War On Terror). They did not describe him as "liberal."

You realize we can look this stuff up, right?
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Post by: Nintex on October 29, 2018, 07:15:00 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 29, 2018, 07:09:59 PM
When Erdogan became prime minister, media coverage heavily featured his Islamist ties (it would be dumb to assume they didn't since this was at the peak of the Bush-era War On Terror). They did not describe him as "liberal."

You realize we can look this stuff up, right?
Nope, Erdogan was the liberal reformer who was unjustly barred from politics.
For years his Islamism was promoted as a sign that an Islamic Democracy could work and was an example for the rest of the Middle East which at that point were mostly (military) dictatorships (Egypt, Syria, etc.).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Mandark on October 29, 2018, 07:16:11 PM
I'd love to read five major outlets referring to him as a "liberal."
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Post by: jorma on October 29, 2018, 07:29:23 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 29, 2018, 07:16:11 PM
I'd love to read five major outlets referring to him as a "liberal."

https://www.economist.com/leaders/2004/01/29/the-importance-of-backing-erdogan

He isn't wrong about Erdogan. I'm not sure that makes the media stupid or whatever, because Turkey were going more liberal back when they were striving for EU membership.
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Post by: Nintex on October 29, 2018, 07:47:30 PM
Quote from: jorma on October 29, 2018, 07:29:23 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 29, 2018, 07:16:11 PM
I'd love to read five major outlets referring to him as a "liberal."

https://www.economist.com/leaders/2004/01/29/the-importance-of-backing-erdogan

He isn't wrong about Erdogan. I'm not sure that makes the media stupid or whatever, because Turkey were going more liberal back when they were striving for EU membership.
The same economist today:
https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1057037007061467136 (https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1057037007061467136)

Who the fuck are these people kidding.  :lol
Hungary is a shit show, Russia has always been a 'democracy' in name only, China is a communist state.
Those are facts for decades. Yet, suddenly democracy is dead.  :huh

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starting with a charismatic leader who pledges to save the people
This literally describes 99% of the politicians. I didn't know Bill Clinton turned the USA into a dictactorship smh.  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Assimilate on October 29, 2018, 11:51:30 PM
not gonna lie he can be intimidating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oUeed_G8Gw

I'll jump ship if he loses his head
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Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2018, 03:58:34 AM
Quote from: Rufus on October 29, 2018, 12:09:14 PM
It being widespread was never the point, friendo. I ask again, is disrupting classes and confiscating material on the history of fascism (presuambly handed out during those classes), just honky dory?
When I saw this the first question I had was "how many classes could this possibly be?" Especially about fascism specifically.

Not to get into the fight on whether it happened or should happen, as I think most election "silence" or "pause" type laws in better states than Brazil are myopic and silly in the first place so it wouldn't entirely surprise me. (And I do recall some instances elsewhere where these kinds of laws or election display laws were interpreted in quite draconian ways by local officials who were strongly for a party/candidate in that region/city/whatever.)
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Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2018, 03:59:55 AM
I want to say there was a low tier GOP candidate in the last presidential primaries who had to be shuffled off because he came out after voting personally and some incoming voters stopped him to talk and he was like two feet within the exclusion zone. :lol
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Post by: shosta on October 30, 2018, 04:04:49 AM
Quote from: Nintex on October 29, 2018, 07:47:30 PM
China is a communist state.
FACT CHECK: China is a socialist state with Chinese characteristics.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: curly on October 30, 2018, 04:21:07 AM
Lyin' Nintex at it again
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 30, 2018, 04:38:36 AM
China defies categorisation
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Post by: Mandark on October 30, 2018, 04:40:57 AM
China is communist if we're talking about its human rights records, capitalist if we're talking about its economic growth.

One of those "guess what your child did at school today" situations.
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Post by: curly on October 30, 2018, 04:44:49 AM
Quote from: Premium Lager on October 30, 2018, 04:38:36 AM
China defies categorisation

Nah they're pretty clearly state capitalism
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 30, 2018, 04:48:48 AM
There is a strong push from the state against some western things like idolisation of stars etc.

And yes its capitalist but the state has a final say and also does things for the greater good
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Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2018, 08:21:11 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq2pvabDN7c

*runs*
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Post by: Rufus on October 30, 2018, 08:33:12 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 30, 2018, 03:58:34 AM
(And I do recall some instances elsewhere where these kinds of laws or election display laws were interpreted in quite draconian ways by local officials who were strongly for a party/candidate in that region/city/whatever.)
Seems like this was one such instance.

Quote from: Rufus on October 28, 2018, 08:43:24 PM
Or, instead of my flippant nonsense:
https://soundcloud.com/watsoninstitute/making-sense-of-brazils-2018-presidential-election-1
https://soundcloud.com/watsoninstitute/making-sense-of-brazils-2018-presidential-election-part-2
(part 3 forthcoming)
https://soundcloud.com/watsoninstitute/making-sense-of-brazils-2018-presidential-election-part-3
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Post by: agrajag on October 30, 2018, 08:34:01 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 30, 2018, 08:21:11 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq2pvabDN7c

*runs*

Doesn't seem like a bad take.
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Post by: Brehvolution on October 30, 2018, 09:18:23 AM
What Glen, and people like Glen keep saying is that people are voting for balls and trump because they want the government to eliminate their political opposites. It's not "maybe embrace fascism" as he says, it is embracing fascism. They also never speak about how it will make their lives better with these people in charge.
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Post by: agrajag on October 30, 2018, 09:43:29 AM
I think Glenn is right. I mentioned this in another thread, but I have a Brazilian buddy who lives in US. He absolutely despises Trump, yet he supported Bolsonaro. And my buddy is definitely does not belong to the white ruling class. I think people underestimate just how desperate the folks in countries like Brazil are. Those kind if people are always vulnerable for an authoritarian strongman to swoop in and take control. Plus, I have a theory that most people have an innate desire for someone to lord over them and make decisions for them.

I don't believe the voters in Brazil are a direct equivalent of Trump voters.
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Post by: Mandark on October 30, 2018, 09:54:26 AM
lol greenwald
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Post by: Mandark on October 30, 2018, 09:55:55 AM
greenwald calling for self-examination and an end to name-calling mwahahahaha
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Post by: Brehvolution on October 30, 2018, 09:59:07 AM
"You can't just call a racist a racist and fascist a fascist and expect them not to vote for a racist fascist!"  :doge
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Post by: Mandark on October 30, 2018, 10:07:54 AM
That video is just "The western media sees Bolsonaro through the prism of Trump, but that's a big mistake... in conclusion, the underlying forces that led to Trump and the solutions to defeat him are exactly the same as with Bolsonaro. Also throw Brexit in there."

:derp
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Post by: Tiops on October 30, 2018, 11:08:33 AM
Quote from: agrajag on October 30, 2018, 09:43:29 AM
I think Glenn is right. I mentioned this in another thread, but I have a Brazilian buddy who lives in US. He absolutely despises Trump, yet he supported Bolsonaro. And my buddy is definitely does not belong to the white ruling class. I think people underestimate just how desperate the folks in countries like Brazil are. Those kind if people are always vulnerable for an authoritarian strongman to swoop in and take control. Plus, I have a theory that most people have an innate desire for someone to lord over them and make decisions for them.

I don't believe the voters in Brazil are a direct equivalent of Trump voters.

That's a good analysis. People are definitely desperate here, and the left likes to pretend everything is fine when they're in charge. But as said before, most of us do not want a dictator, fascism or whatever. But security issues here do need a firm stance, and that's why he won.
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Post by: Nintex on October 30, 2018, 03:06:07 PM
Democracies in the globalized world made a big mistake. They took away social security, jobs, healthcare and even housing. And handed it all to the banks and corporations.
What they didn't take away were voting rights. So what's an evicted, sick and/or unemployed pissed off citizen going to vote for? The guy that promises to lob a grenade into parliament.

The establishment then turns to the media that support and depend on their funding (and the business interests that support the establishment) to 'smear' this challenger, which only makes him look stronger in the eyes of the public and the establishment more desperate.

Trump was the only candidate that literally said this to African Americans on the campaign trail. "You're getting shot, your schools are bad, you're are unemployed... what the hell do you have to lose?"
In Brazil, if you're getting murdered and fucked over anyway why not take a chance with Bolsonaro? What's the worse thing that could happen to you if you already live in shitty conditions?

And the solution tot his? Well the political elite has started to target extremist media outlets and social media first. But sooner or later they will simply go for the voting rights instead.
Deny the poor and disenfranchised their votes. Perhaps tie the ability to vote to credit ratings.
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Post by: shosta on October 30, 2018, 03:07:57 PM
why are you so goddamn stupid
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Post by: agrajag on October 30, 2018, 03:13:53 PM
I don't think he's stupid, he is very smart. He has a humiliation fetish, and he found a way to get a steady source of verbal abuse here on The Bore without having to pay for it. I see what you're doing Nintex

(https://media.giphy.com/media/12ZDIx1Mw1cXVm/200.gif)

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Post by: Nintex on October 30, 2018, 03:30:15 PM
Quote from: Shota on October 30, 2018, 03:07:57 PM
why are you so goddamn stupid
People want their government to handle 3 things
- Economy
- Security
- Health

Most don't care about 'tone', 'foreign policy' and/or infrastructure (until it collapses).
If a party or government fails in all three sectors they lose the support of their citizens.
That's how the EU got onto the bad side of many people as well. They bungled the Euro crisis, they bungled the migration crisis and in some cases they've ravaged healthcare (Greece for example) through austerity.

You can continue to call people who see this trend that you're missing 'stupid' but that won't change the reality of the situation.
Unless the establishment and especially the left embrace that they've betrayed the working classes they won't win elections.
There's 0 reflection. It's either the Russians or the Nazi's who are to blame for problems that have simple explanations and solutions.
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Post by: shosta on October 30, 2018, 03:37:03 PM
From your first post: Which governments cut social security, national healthcare services, and federal housing programs, handed them to the "corporations", and caused a populist demagogue to be elected? How do you hand jobs over to the corporations when corporations are the ones employing people anyway? Where's your polling evidence that the people who were most affected economically were the ones who voted for, say, Trump? And how do you explain the fact that it's the right wing populists who clamor for voting restriction laws, not the liberal establishment? You mentioned that Trump was the only one who offered an alternative to black voters but 88% of them voted for Hillary Clinton; how do you reconcile this?

From your second post: you said no one cares about foreign policy but at least in the United States, terrorism was the number one or two concern for conservative voters in the last presidential election. You said that the eu debt crisis was bungled but why wouldn't this translate into anti-bank pro-left sentiment?

Almost everything you said is either outright wrong or nonsense.
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Post by: Nintex on October 30, 2018, 04:05:29 PM
Quote from: Shota on October 30, 2018, 03:37:03 PM
Which governments cut social security, national healthcare services, and federal housing programs, handed them to the "corporations", and caused a populist demagogue to be elected?
Nearly all governments did post the economic crisis and some before. People were evicted from their homes by the banks, living in tent cities. Savings and pensions went up in flames while the banks got bailed out.
That left a bigger mark than the political elite dares to admit. Most democraties are in various stages of being taken over or being influenced by rightwing/populist movements.

Italy: Lega Nord and their rising star Salvini have overtaken the M5 movement in the most recent polling despite them governing together
Germany: Afd is steadily climbing in the polls, Merkel is losing support left and right
France: If it wasn't for Macron they might've had Le Pen. Macron's approval currently sits at <30%
The Netherlands: Rise of both the PVV(anti-muslim freedom party) and FvD (new rightwing movement)
Greece: Ruling political parties decimated by new populist progressive movement
Hungary: Orban won
Austria: Kurz won
UK: Brexit won
US: Trump won
Brazil: Bolsonaro won
Poland/Baltics: Nationalist movements continue to grow

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How do you hand jobs over to the corporations when corporations are the ones employing people anyway?
The corporations move those jobs abroad to low-wage countries such as China and India leaving large parts of the population unemployed.

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Where's your polling evidence that the people who were most affected economically were the ones who voted for, say, Trump?
Because he won a lot of loyal democratic states by supporting the working classes such as coal miners, small business, construction workers etc. .

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And how do you explain the fact that it's the right wing populists who clamor for voting restriction laws, not the liberal establishment?
Because they can't 'sell' it yet. It took a whiile for the alternative media to be silenced but it's slowly happening. The liberal thinking was that if more people voted they'd be more certain of a victory.
But pissed off people don't vote for liberal policies. In the Netherlands we shortly had a referendum. We held two of them which the establishment both lost and soon after they abolished this method of 'direct democracy'.
Also they tend to centralize decision making. If decisions are made by the UN or Brussels a national vote isn't that important anymore. So they use a different method in voting restrictions, one that makes the votes and voting itself meaningless.
Another example from my country. The new leader of a liberal party has said that he wants EU membership to be added to our constitution so no matter which party gets in power, they can't pull us out of the EU.

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You mentioned that Trump was the only one who offered an alternative to black voters but 88% of them voted for Hillary Clinton; how do you reconcile this?
I mentioned that episode because it was the first time that a populist made the argument: "Vote for me, you got nothing to lose losers" which they usually bring in a much more subtle way.
"Do you think your country has improved?" , "Do you think those other guys will make your lives better?" is usually the rhetoric that they use. As for black voters, we'll see where they stand at the end of Trump's presidency.
They didn't turn out for Hillary like they did for Obama either.

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Almost everything you said is either outright wrong or nonsense.
This is false. What I'm saying is also being said more or less by the likes of Mark Blythe and Ian Bremmer. There's a correlation between the policies enacted by the democracies during the economic crisis (mainly austerity) and their current woes at the hands of populists.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 30, 2018, 04:18:57 PM
If the left in the EU has failed in anything it is in making people understand that in a free market capitalist world the EU is the best bet to stop bleeding wealth to who knows where and keep it somehow local.

You cant keep the wealth in western europe forever in an open economy.

It just slows the decline though.
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Post by: Mandark on October 30, 2018, 05:22:59 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 30, 2018, 04:05:29 PM
As for black voters, we'll see where they stand at the end of Trump's presidency.

Amazing.
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Post by: Dickie Dee on October 30, 2018, 05:37:04 PM
Kanye tho
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Post by: agrajag on October 30, 2018, 06:18:30 PM
Instead of "look at my African American" he'll be using plural

#blexit
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Post by: agrajag on October 30, 2018, 06:29:13 PM
Quote from: Dickie Dee on October 30, 2018, 05:37:04 PM
Kanye tho

https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/1057382916760707072

 :yeshrug
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Post by: kingv on October 30, 2018, 10:48:49 PM
Someone been crushing up his pills and putting them in his food.
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Post by: Assimilate on October 30, 2018, 11:50:43 PM
Quote from: agrajag on October 30, 2018, 09:43:29 AM
I think Glenn is right.
No, not entirely. He went off the rails at the end there like others pointed out.

Quote from: agrajag on October 30, 2018, 09:43:29 AM
I mentioned this in another thread, but I have a Brazilian buddy who lives in US. He absolutely despises Trump, yet he supported Bolsonaro. And my buddy is definitely does not belong to the white ruling class. I think people underestimate just how desperate the folks in countries like Brazil are.
Right, people here are desperate. Most of the people that voted for Bolsonaro here laugh at Trump (most of them, not all)

Quote from: agrajag on October 30, 2018, 09:43:29 AM
Those kind if people are always vulnerable for an authoritarian strongman to swoop in and take control. Plus, I have a theory that most people have an innate desire for someone to lord over them and make decisions for them.
No, no one wants people to make decisions for them. No one wants a dictator.

Quote from: agrajag on October 30, 2018, 09:43:29 AM
I don't believe the voters in Brazil are a direct equivalent of Trump voters.
Correct. Like I was saying right above no one here wants a dictator. Most Bolsonaro voters don't even want him to implement half his policies, which is kinda crazy.  Brazilians are very socially liberal. They're free going people that like to have a good time. No one wants a dictator here, but they do crave security, someone strong that will not allow criminals to run rampant.

The left has taken a very lean approach, a very Scandinavian approach to crime and rehabilitation. It works for Scandinavia,  it does not work for Brasil. It's a different culture, totally different people.  This 'human rights' kiddy bullshit has not worked here for the last few decades and it shows.

There is a saying here that 'every Brazilian is born with the inherent right to murder 1 person' . Do you know how ridiculous that is? Come on.

And here is one anectodal for ya - in my brief time here I have not met a single female, not a single one, that hasn't been robbed/assaulted at least 1 time in their lives.

In the states I've known 0 women that have been robbed. fucking 0.
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Post by: agrajag on October 30, 2018, 11:55:21 PM
Shut the fuck up you distinguished mentally-challenged fucknugget.
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Post by: benjipwns on October 31, 2018, 12:29:19 AM
Quote from: Assimilate on October 30, 2018, 11:50:43 PM
And here is one anectodal for ya - in my brief time here I have not met a single female, not a single one.

In the states I've known 0 women. fucking 0.
whoops finger slipped
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Post by: Assimilate on October 31, 2018, 01:18:12 AM
Quote from: agrajag on October 30, 2018, 11:55:21 PM
Shut the fuck up you distinguished mentally-challenged fucknugget.

 :umad

someone didn't get his chicken tendies today
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 31, 2018, 03:27:48 AM
Assy is a favelado?

All makes sense
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Post by: agrajag on October 31, 2018, 07:03:30 AM
Quote from: Assimilate on October 31, 2018, 01:18:12 AM
Quote from: agrajag on October 30, 2018, 11:55:21 PM
Shut the fuck up you distinguished mentally-challenged fucknugget.

 :umad

someone didn't get his chicken tendies today

I like how you have so little imagination that your pea-sized brain went straight to chicken when I called you a fucknugget.
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Post by: benjipwns on October 31, 2018, 07:11:07 AM
Quote from: agrajag on October 31, 2018, 07:03:30 AM
I like how you have so little imagination that your pea-sized brain went straight to chicken when I called you a fucknugget.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6wY9OwqJ2A
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Post by: Assimilate on October 31, 2018, 09:01:24 AM
Quote from: Premium Lager on October 31, 2018, 03:27:48 AM
Assy is a favelado?

All makes sense
no, I actually live a few blocks away from the apartment of the new elected president  :lol

Quote from: agrajag on October 31, 2018, 07:03:30 AM

I like how you have so little imagination that your pea-sized brain went straight to chicken when I called you a fucknugget.
Vagina, you live in fucking Hialeah Florida let's not pretend you are some type of cognitive achievement.
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Post by: benjipwns on October 31, 2018, 09:08:46 AM
To be fair you are showing a tendency to go for bird related witticisms, beaks, chicken, suggesting Atra grow a tom like beard to go with his neck tattoo, etc.
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Post by: kingv on October 31, 2018, 09:29:04 AM
They say that Rio is great except for all the Cariocas.
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Post by: agrajag on October 31, 2018, 09:52:33 AM
I don't live in Hialeah but you live in the favela and have PTSD from getting side swiped by a "liberal trucker."

 :neogaf :umad :umad
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Post by: Assimilate on October 31, 2018, 10:52:37 AM
Quote from: agrajag on October 31, 2018, 09:52:33 AM
I don't live in Hialeah but you live in the favela and have PTSD from getting side swiped by a "liberal trucker."

 :neogaf :umad :umad

 :umad

Cubano triggered
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Post by: agrajag on October 31, 2018, 11:04:28 AM
Look, I know you are not the brightest and you just cracked under the stress of PTSD from living in the slums, your girl getting railed by cariocas and being acosted by liberal truck drivers from Rio. So I will cut you some slack. After all, you can't fix stupid, so why try. I also commend you for your efforts of trying to be Zen and a nice guy, even though you are failing har at both. But keep trying little buddy, one day you will achive Zen.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
when you kys
[close]

 :rejoice
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Post by: Assimilate on October 31, 2018, 11:53:03 AM
Dude write an entire paragraph and then says he is not triggered  :jawalrus
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Post by: agrajag on October 31, 2018, 11:56:41 AM
Another sad example of the failing Brazilian education system, this dude thinks it's a big undertaking to write a paragraph roasting his ass.

 :neogaf
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 01, 2018, 12:18:22 PM
Beef is real itt
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Post by: Nabbis on November 01, 2018, 01:54:14 PM
Quote from: Premium Lager on November 01, 2018, 12:18:22 PM
Beef is real itt

It's no-fap november so they need to let it out.
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Post by: Nintex on November 02, 2018, 01:17:00 PM
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1058400257929854976 (https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1058400257929854976)

 :ohhh
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Post by: Nabbis on November 02, 2018, 06:08:11 PM
No one has who is currently in power has actually spilled the beans that it's suspected to be a military base. That said, it's obvious it's most likely is some type of operation site.

Those titles on Twitter though... Can't get any more sensetional than that.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 02, 2018, 06:12:17 PM
I wouldn't be at all shocked if a lot of different countries were doing this exact same thing in a lot of different places.
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Post by: Nabbis on November 02, 2018, 06:20:28 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 02, 2018, 06:12:17 PM
I wouldn't be at all shocked if a lot of different countries were doing this exact same thing in a lot of different places.

Yeah, most major players probably are. Though there is this specific thing in Finland being a dumbass where they allow foreign interest to own private property near military targets, Russia certainly does not allow it.
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Post by: Nintex on November 02, 2018, 07:57:56 PM
Other countries might engage in the same thing but the way the Russians do it deserves some praise.

"OOPS how did this helicopter base get here. don't worry guys nothing to see here just move along"

Just like how they're sometimes amassing tank columns on the Ukraine border and ship them to the rebels by scrubbing off the markers.
"What do you mean modern Russian tanks?" "These are tractor drivers who found these vehicles abandoned by the Ukrainian military" (actual statement by Russian government)
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Post by: shosta on November 03, 2018, 12:40:15 PM
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EU states that backed the nuclear deal have said they will protect EU firms doing "legitimate" business with Iran.
sanctions annihilated?
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Post by: Nintex on November 03, 2018, 01:38:04 PM
Quote from: shosta on November 03, 2018, 12:40:15 PM
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EU states that backed the nuclear deal have said they will protect EU firms doing "legitimate" business with Iran.
sanctions annihilated?
The EU vowed to protect Saddam and Ukraine as well.
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Post by: Mandark on November 03, 2018, 01:39:16 PM
Quote from: Nintex on November 03, 2018, 01:38:04 PM
The EU vowed to protect Saddam

 :thinking
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Post by: jorma on November 03, 2018, 02:01:23 PM
Quote from: shosta on November 03, 2018, 12:40:15 PM
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EU states that backed the nuclear deal have said they will protect EU firms doing "legitimate" business with Iran.
sanctions annihilated?

one can hope, this beef the US has against Iran is the dumbest shit ever.

edit: no wait, that's the beef they have against Cuba. second dumbest shit ever then.
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Post by: shosta on November 03, 2018, 02:03:08 PM
it's not dumb, it's part of our continuing effort to consolidate power in the region to our client states Israel and Saudi Arabia and away from Russo-Chinese capital
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Post by: jorma on November 03, 2018, 02:04:33 PM
Quote from: shosta on November 03, 2018, 02:03:08 PM
it's not dumb, it's part of our continuing effort to consolidate power in the region to our client states Israel and Saudi Arabia and away from Russo-Chinese capital

yes, obviously. that doesn't make it not dumb.

And Cuba is just petty stubbornness, making it even dumber.
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Post by: shosta on November 03, 2018, 02:07:36 PM
it's still not dumb, it's evil
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Post by: jorma on November 03, 2018, 02:09:02 PM
Quote from: shosta on November 03, 2018, 02:07:36 PM
it's still not dumb, it's evil

 ::)
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Post by: shosta on November 03, 2018, 02:10:13 PM
I am willing to metaphorically die on this semantic hill for specious reasons
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Post by: jorma on November 03, 2018, 02:11:51 PM
Quote from: shosta on November 03, 2018, 02:10:13 PM
I am willing to metaphorically die on this semantic hill for specious reasons

so does that mean you endorse it, seeing as you tagged yourself SATAN?  :doge
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Post by: Nintex on November 03, 2018, 02:13:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQnXo2HMriQ
Shortly after this, Putin rolled in and took Crimea and 2 provinces.
The courageous EU diplomats were back in Brussels protesting him.

Although to be fair. Saddam's survival hinged solely on the fact that the EU states thought George, Donald and Dick would not take action without security council approval.
And France and Germany would never be in favor of the war unless the UN inspection team actually found WMD's.
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Post by: Mandark on November 03, 2018, 02:13:17 PM
Quote from: shosta on November 03, 2018, 02:03:08 PM
it's not dumb, it's part of our continuing effort to consolidate power in the region to our client states Israel and Saudi Arabia and away from Russo-Chinese capital

When you feign a certain cynicism towards geopolitics in order to play devil's advocate, but forgot that even evaluated on those terms the policy is still dumb.

:ufup
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Post by: Mandark on November 03, 2018, 02:17:17 PM
Quote from: Nintex on November 03, 2018, 02:13:13 PM
And France and Germany would never be in favor of the war unless the UN inspection team actually found WMD's.

ya that's exactly the same was "vowed to protect Saddam"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9dSGaDad_4
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Post by: Raist on November 03, 2018, 02:21:19 PM
Quote from: Nintex on November 03, 2018, 01:38:04 PM
Quote from: shosta on November 03, 2018, 12:40:15 PM
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EU states that backed the nuclear deal have said they will protect EU firms doing "legitimate" business with Iran.
sanctions annihilated?
The EU vowed to protect Saddam and Ukraine as well.

Wait, what?

Refusing to participate in a phony war is vowing to protect, now?
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Post by: Mandark on November 03, 2018, 02:23:31 PM
Also a bunch of EU countries sent troops to Iraq, as well as several countries that would be admitted to the EU the following year.
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Post by: shosta on November 03, 2018, 02:29:03 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 03, 2018, 02:13:17 PM
Quote from: shosta on November 03, 2018, 02:03:08 PM
it's not dumb, it's part of our continuing effort to consolidate power in the region to our client states Israel and Saudi Arabia and away from Russo-Chinese capital

When you feign a certain cynicism towards geopolitics in order to play devil's advocate, but forgot that even evaluated on those terms the policy is still dumb.

:ufup
not feigning, and which devil am I advocating for?

Israel is our faithful servant in the Middle East and Saudi Arabia is the regional juggernaut. Saudi Arabia is a valuable arms purchaser. Saudi Arabia complies with keeping oil supplies stable. And lastly, Saudi Arabia endorses most US aims in the region. On the terms of American empire and world stability, these relationships are profitable and make sense.

If we're going to reevaluate our relationship, maybe we should go back to a policy of realpolitik and balance Iranian interests against Saudi ones, but it's not like that worked with Iraq (https://harpers.org/archive/1991/01/why-we-are-stuck-in-the-sand/)...
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Post by: Mandark on November 03, 2018, 02:38:48 PM
congrats as passing nintex as the dumbest poster on this page
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Post by: shosta on November 03, 2018, 02:40:24 PM
lemme know when you get on my level and want to discuss this
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Post by: Nintex on November 03, 2018, 02:49:25 PM
Gray Connoly had a good point.
The Kashoggi situation and Yemen are not worth a new prolonged conflict and/or losing Saudi Arabia to the Russians.

Not to mention the US's cooperation with the Saudi's has been the same ever since FDR. They wouldn't understand it if the US would certainly change the terms of the arrangement because some people Ree'd on the sidelines.
Making foreign policy decisions on 'feelings' will not make the world a safer and better place.
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Post by: TEEEPO on November 03, 2018, 02:50:21 PM
saudia arabia has been complying with russia to keep oil supplies "stable" for the next 10-20 years, not the united states
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Post by: Mandark on November 03, 2018, 02:52:01 PM
Well now you have Nintex on your side.

QED
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Post by: Nintex on November 03, 2018, 02:54:31 PM
Quote from: TEEEPO on November 03, 2018, 02:50:21 PM
saudia arabia has been complying with russia to keep oil supplies "stable" for the next 10-20 years, not the united states
That's pretty much the prisoners diliemma that all oil producing countries are in. They have to keep supply/demand balanced otherwise they nuke their economies when the oil price craters.

Remember 'PEAK OIL' oil would dwindle. We'd run out of oil by 2020 based on a formula from the 50's.
Meanwhile, oil production has increased far beyond 'peak oil'.
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Post by: shosta on November 03, 2018, 02:54:44 PM
Quote from: TEEEPO on November 03, 2018, 02:50:21 PM
saudia arabia has been complying with russia to keep oil supplies "stable" for the next 10-20 years, not the united states
is that why the Saudis pumped up oil production after Ukraine (US' interest) and Syria (Saudi's) to tank Russia's economy?

EDIT: I had this backwards, the russian saudi agreement happened precisely after this. Obviously every major economy has an interest in keeping global oil supply stable.
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Post by: Nintex on November 03, 2018, 02:58:51 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 03, 2018, 02:52:01 PM
Well now you have Nintex on your side.

QED
So you're saying we should drop Saudi Arabia and put them in bed with the Russians and the Chinese because 'FeElInGs?'

what are you going to accuse them of? Bombing civilians, like most members of the UN security council do on a daily basis?
Killing journalists is also quite common. Just look up who survived the Panama Papers investigations or anyone who's ever looked into Moscow bombings.

Keeping the Saudi's around and trying to influence them by working with them is a better solution. They're not completely bonkers yet like Iran is.
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Post by: Mandark on November 03, 2018, 03:02:02 PM
Quote from: Nintex on November 03, 2018, 02:58:51 PM
So you're saying we should drop Saudi Arabia and put them in bed with the Russians and the Chinese because 'FeElInGs?'

No, I'm saying you're deeply unintelligent.

Also, remember when you said the "EU vowed to protect Saddam?" What is the point of lies like that which could be easily googled, especially when you already have a reputation for dishonesty? I'm sincerely interested in how you think these things will work out.
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Post by: TEEEPO on November 03, 2018, 03:07:03 PM
Quote from: shosta on November 03, 2018, 02:54:44 PM
Quote from: TEEEPO on November 03, 2018, 02:50:21 PM
saudia arabia has been complying with russia to keep oil supplies "stable" for the next 10-20 years, not the united states
is that why the Saudis pumped up oil production after Ukraine (US' interest) and Syria (Saudi's) to tank Russia's economy?

:huh

are you referencing the 2014 price war in response to lost market share from us crude oil production, e.g. fracking? which coincidentally did very little except for harm opec and russia as the united states is now the world leader in crude oil production due to the technological innovations and price cutting that had occured in response to the oversupply of crude oil.



but hey, you seem like a fairly decent google warrior but let me help you:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Saudi_Arabia_relations#Saudi_Arabia_and_Russia
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Post by: shosta on November 03, 2018, 03:08:31 PM
No fair, you posted that before I could edit my post to move my goalposts!
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Post by: Mandark on November 03, 2018, 03:19:51 PM
If the US was less involved in the ME and the situation were roughly what it is at this point (a series of sectarian conflicts being stoked by two rival oil-producing regional powers), would we look at it and say "hell yeah let's pick a side and get involved in this shit"?
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Post by: Nintex on November 03, 2018, 03:20:34 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 03, 2018, 03:02:02 PM
Quote from: Nintex on November 03, 2018, 02:58:51 PM
So you're saying we should drop Saudi Arabia and put them in bed with the Russians and the Chinese because 'FeElInGs?'

No, I'm saying you're deeply unintelligent.

Also, remember when you said the "EU vowed to protect Saddam?" What is the point of lies like that which could be easily googled, especially when you already have a reputation for dishonesty? I'm sincerely interested in how you think these things will work out.
That was how it was reported here at the time.

The reailty is that there was some backchannel diplomacy going on to grant Saddam asylum in Europe and/or Russia.
That they wanted Hans Blix to finish his inspections and that they didn't want war in Iraq. Except for Tony Blair, who considered it the next Crusade.
https://www.arte.tv/en/videos/074567-011-A/against-the-iraq-war-dominique-de-villepin/ (https://www.arte.tv/en/videos/074567-011-A/against-the-iraq-war-dominique-de-villepin/)

So in their own words the EU (Germany/France) said they'd protect Iraq from agression, at least until the inspections were finished.

Anyhow, my original point being that even if EU people show up in Teheran like they did in Kiev it doesn't fucking matter.

When the $700 billion military deploys for OPERATION PERSIAN FREEDOM and the US must come together to support their troops it doesn't matter what sort of protections the EU has pledged.
EU protections aren't worth anything. The EU actually has 5 semi-occupied terrorities.

- Half of Cyprus is still occupied by the Turks
- New EU ally Ukraine is partly occupied by Russia (I will not say half, that would be lying because it is less than half than the landmass)
- Candidate member Moldova has a Russian rebel state within its borders
- EU member Georgia is occcupied 1/5th by the Russians
- Candidate member Montenegro managed to barely prevent a Russian sponsored coup

So I'm not sure how the EU will protect anything with regards to Iran if they can't protect the territory that they actually control.

Quote from: Mandark on November 03, 2018, 03:19:51 PM
If the US was less involved in the ME and the situation were roughly what it is at this point (a series of sectarian conflicts being stoked by two rival oil-producing regional powers), would we look at it and say "hell yeah let's pick a side and get involved in this shit"?
That was mostly what it was until Clinton in between blowjobs poked the hornets nest with a cruise missile and missed.
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Post by: Mandark on November 03, 2018, 03:23:14 PM
Dude.

You could save so much time and embarrassment with an "ah, I misremembered that."
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Post by: shosta on November 03, 2018, 03:27:57 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 03, 2018, 03:19:51 PM
If the US was less involved in the ME and the situation were roughly what it is at this point (a series of sectarian conflicts being stoked by two rival oil-producing regional powers), would we look at it and say "hell yeah let's pick a side and get involved in this shit"?
I think some clarification is needed. First off, I don't identify with the US, so saying "we" is nonsensical and my interests are divorced from those of the global finance monstrosity that sits on top of the American imperial system. Second of all, how I specifically feel about "what should happen" over there given the pressupposition of regimes remaining the way they are is global investment should increase, esp. from China and Russia, Iran should grow into a much larger power, and everyone becomes economically tied to everyone else so the cost of pursuing national interests becomes too high. Neoliberalism. But thirdly, I would even more prefer that, given the ME has the highest income inequality in the world and all states are effectively undemocratic corporations, that people seize the wealth and undergo a violent, pan Arab socialist revolution, sort of like what Assad Sr. or Gaddafi envisioned, but better, and without ending up as dictatorships this time.

So noting that "their" interest was in pursuing a Saudi hegemony in the middle east as a contracts maximizing and alliance hoarding goal did not mean I was advocating it, and I'm still wondering how that analysis was wrong.
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Post by: shosta on November 03, 2018, 03:32:22 PM
when you're lying in bed and realize you're a Nintex and Cindi tier poster
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/srts.gif)
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Post by: TEEEPO on November 03, 2018, 03:35:25 PM
there's a good chance iran's about to be fucked in the ass. russia having bilateral agreements with both iran and saudia arabia as well trump and bolton being in bed with two of said countries points towards a war with iran that russia could conveniently step in and thwart gaining kudos points from the global community and in return, set up shop at the strait of hormuz as a "peacing keeping" measure. at least that's the natural direction i see things heading if we continue down this path.
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Post by: Mandark on November 03, 2018, 03:35:39 PM
Favorite part is when you called KSA a "valuable arms purchaser" like it'd be hard to find someone else to buy our bombs.

Shit, Iran was buying weapons from us through Israel when they had the chance.
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Post by: Nintex on November 03, 2018, 03:38:45 PM
Quote from: TEEEPO on November 03, 2018, 03:35:25 PM
there's a good chance iran's about to be fucked in the ass. russia having bilateral agreements with both iran and saudia arabia as well trump and bolton being in bed with two of said countries points towards a war with iran that russia could conveniently step in and thwart gaining kudos points from the global community and in return, set up shop at the strait of hormuz as a "peacing keeping" measure. at least that's the natural direction i see things heading if we continue down this path.

The Ayatollah's are done for. The most likely scenario is that Syria gets a new Russian sponsored regime and Iran gets a new Russian sponsored regime as well. The big question is 'when'.
If it happens under Trump, he kicks down the door. Bombs their palaces, gets the fuck out because he won't do nation building. Qassem Suleimani will take power and de-Islamize with Russian blessings.

This is basically what geopolitics are heading towards like anyway. In South America the US will start to play a bigger role perhaps with Bolsonaro if Venezuela finally goes down the drain.

 
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Post by: Mandark on November 03, 2018, 03:39:14 PM
Also Nintex hears "the EU will protect European businesses from sanctions" and then rambles for paragraphs about how the EU couldn't stop a military invasion because he either misread the original post or literally doesn't understand the difference between war and subsidies or whatever.

Really good content, guys.
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Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2018, 05:26:00 AM
Meanwhile, in Malta: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Lowell
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Norman Lowell (born July 29, 1946) is a Maltese ultranationalist writer and head of the Imperium Europa, a far-right political party. He is also a qualified banker, an artist, and a martial arts expert.
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The party's remit is to unite "all European natives" (i.e., European-descended peoples, but not non-European-descended immigrants born in Europe) under one flag, hence the name "Imperium Europa" (European Empire), leading to "a Europid bond forged through Spirituality closely followed by Race, nurtured through High culture, protected by High Politics, enforced by the Elite."
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Lowell argues that he is "neither a Nazi nor a Fascist nor a Neo-Nazi" and that he would be "booted out of a Nazi party within five minutes" because he's "a strong libertarian", but he has, nevertheless, described Mein Kampf as "The Book" and Adolf Hitler as "The Hero," and called the Nazi Holocaust a "holy hoax".
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Norman Lowell is the author of two published books, Credo: A Book for the Very Few, and Imperium Europa - A Book that Changed the World.
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Norman Lowell is a dedicated artist in his own abstract style, which he labels "Dionysian Action Painting". He describes it as an ancient Greek art form based around "intoxication, frenzy, ecstasy, barbaric instincts". It captures feelings, rather than figures, and is the sublimation of the beast in man into art.

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Campaigning heavily against illegal immigrants, Lowell was the party's candidate in the 11th and 12th Districts in the March 2008 parliamentary election. He obtained 84 votes on first count from both districts, obtaining 0.03% of the overall votes.
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Post by: Nintex on November 04, 2018, 06:45:23 AM

https://twitter.com/spaikin/status/1058526862979133440 (https://twitter.com/spaikin/status/1058526862979133440)

Yikes
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Post by: Mandark on November 04, 2018, 12:00:33 PM
https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1058757797234520064


This was corrected a full day before your post. Keep up!
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Post by: El Babua on November 04, 2018, 12:02:29 PM
Honestly wouldn't be surprised either way considering David Frum could probably convince me to kill myself by arguing the opposite.
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Post by: Broseidon on November 04, 2018, 12:44:57 PM
Quote from: Nintex on November 03, 2018, 03:38:45 PM
Qassem Suleimani will take power and de-Islamize

 :crazy
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Post by: kingv on November 04, 2018, 12:51:59 PM
Imagine believing that Bannon (or anybody really) is so persuasive that he could convince 0% of the viewing audience to completely change their political preferences by talking to Bushs speechwriter for an hour and thinking this is actually plausible.
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Post by: Nintex on November 04, 2018, 02:19:03 PM
Quote from: kingv on November 04, 2018, 12:51:59 PM
Imagine believing that Bannon (or anybody really) is so persuasive that he could convince 0% of the viewing audience to completely change their political preferences by talking to Bushs speechwriter for an hour and thinking this is actually plausible.
Remember that the audience volunteered to listen to Steve Bannon and David Frum and not forced at gunpoint.
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Post by: kingv on November 05, 2018, 08:37:06 PM
People in the US do not watch debates because they’re open to both sides. Primarily they watch them to see their preferred candidate dunk on the other guy.
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Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2018, 05:56:39 AM
https://www.afp.com/en/news/15/macron-urges-european-army-defend-against-russia-us-doc-1al83s2
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"We have to protect ourselves with respect to China, Russia and even the United States of America," Macron told Europe 1 radio.

"When I see President Trump announcing that he's quitting a major disarmament treaty which was formed after the 1980s euro-missile crisis that hit Europe, who is the main victim? Europe and its security," he said.

"We will not protect the Europeans unless we decide to have a true European army," he said in the interview, recorded Monday night in Verdun, northeast France, as Macron tours the former Western Front during week-long World War I centenary commemorations.

Faced with "a Russia which is at our borders and has shown that it can be a threat", Macron argued: "We need a Europe which defends itself better alone, without just depending on the United States, in a more sovereign manner."
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"Peace in Europe is precarious," Macron told Europe 1.

"We have been hit by intrusion attempts in cyber-space and multiple interventions in our democracies," he said in an apparent reference to Russia.

He also warned of "authoritarian powers which are reemerging and rearming within the confines in Europe".

Macron has been warning of rising nationalism as he prepares to host dozens of world leaders, including Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin, on Sunday to mark 100 years since the World War I armistice.

He repeated his warning Tuesday that he was struck by similarities between the world today and the financial crisis and "nationalism playing on people's fears" of the 1930s.
:usacry
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Post by: Nintex on November 11, 2018, 06:28:40 AM
When the boss drops by the office

https://twitter.com/CapaMagMoments/status/1061579417338740736 (https://twitter.com/CapaMagMoments/status/1061579417338740736)
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Post by: Nintex on November 12, 2018, 06:45:03 PM
Looks like Israel is softening up Gaza for an invasion this time.

- TV station hit
- Hamas HQ's hit
- Parliament notified of incoming strikes
- Large number of tanks seen moving towards border

They've been going at it back and forth. From Gaza 400 rockets were fired onto Israel.
Hamas just announced they will start firing more rockets much further into Israel.
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Post by: Raist on November 15, 2018, 12:06:38 AM
Good news. May got her Brexit draft agreement with the EU!

Bad news, it's a shit show as everyone is mad as fuck :lol
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Post by: Nintex on November 15, 2018, 06:17:43 AM
The guy that negotiated it resigned as did 4 other members of her cabinet.
Her own former chief of staff called the deal 'suicide'.

Now she's in Parliament.
- There is no majority for her deal
- She doesn't want to call off the Brexit
- They all think it's very irresponsible to go with a 'no deal' brexit


- Now Rees Mogg is calling for a vote of no confidence. Which is basically the turn the debate has taken. Will May still be PM at the end of the day?

 :cat

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Post by: kingv on November 15, 2018, 08:08:46 AM
I don’t understand the politics of Brexit at all. It’s clearly a bad idea that seems to have gotten less popular over time, and there’s a ton of questions about the original vote and campaign becauand yet the UK government seems hellbent on going through with it for some inexplicable reason.

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Post by: Nintex on November 15, 2018, 08:29:02 AM
Quote from: kingv on November 15, 2018, 08:08:46 AM
I don’t understand the politics of Brexit at all. It’s clearly a bad idea that seems to have gotten less popular over time, and there’s a ton of questions about the original vote and campaign becauand yet the UK government seems hellbent on going through with it for some inexplicable reason.
It basically comes down to this:

- A majority of the people voted to leave the EU
- After dragging her feet May has finally negotiated a deal that is worse than staying in the EU, this means
> Brexiteers are against (they don't want to pay the 39 billion in financial settlements for starters)
> Remainers are against (they want a new referendum)
> Labour is against (because they're not going to help her wiggle out of this one)

May does not seem to have the votes to get this deal through the House of Commons so now there's a plot set in motion to oust her as PM with a vote of no confidence which she is likely to lose.
If May's out the tories will have a new leadership challenge, which equals them selecting a new PM.

Which could be someone like David Davies (to again try to get more favorable terms from the Europeans and/or postpone or revoke Brexit), Rees Mogg himself (as he called for the vote) and/or Boris Johnson (who would crash out of the EU, give them the finger and try to deal with the US or other countries).

However, the EU on their part has already said that the UK can't revoke article 50 and thus Brexit has to go ahead no matter what.
The smart money was actually betting on May dragging her feet so a deal wouldn't happen and she and former Brexit Secretary Davies would revoke article 50.
However, the UK will have to start the entire process of becoming a new EU member all over again.

May's snap election was also designed for prevent something like this from happening. She would increase her support and vote tally so she'd be able to get 'any' deal passed through the house of commons easier.
That all backfired because she actually lost support and also relies on a coalition partner which is also against the deal.

So a new referendum wouldn't work because the EU won't take the UK back. And this Brexit deal won't work because the EU has demanded political suicide of May.

Elections you ask?
Well, no sane opposition party would call for elections without assurances from Brussels. So this hot potato remains in Tory hands unless their new leader calls for elections to shore up support but that is unlikely given how that backfired on May.

However, the UK will leave the EU by the end of March. And as it stands now, likely without any sort of deal or transition.
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Post by: kingv on November 15, 2018, 08:56:17 AM
Why wouldn’t the EU just say “hey do a new referendum and we’ll call it good”?

It’s madness. They hold the cards, but brexit is going to be bad for the entire eu and not just the UK. You eurotrash  are a vindictive lot.
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Post by: Nintex on November 15, 2018, 09:05:27 AM
And you guys say I don't understand politics

https://twitter.com/C4Ciaran/status/1063070170564976640 (https://twitter.com/C4Ciaran/status/1063070170564976640)

Quote from: kingv on November 15, 2018, 08:56:17 AM
Why wouldn’t the EU just say “hey do a new referendum and we’ll call it good”?

It’s madness. They hold the cards, but brexit is going to be bad for the entire eu and not just the UK. You eurotrash  are a vindictive lot.
Because then the Italians, Greeks etc. would also bail from the EU or play the same will they/won't they game.
The UK is getting punishment for leaving to keep the others in. And yes that will also backfire.
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Post by: kingv on November 15, 2018, 09:11:05 AM
The Greeks are the one country where it makes total 100% sense for them to leave.

They’d be better off today if they’d left 5 years ago.
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Post by: jorma on November 15, 2018, 10:02:14 AM
Quote from: kingv on November 15, 2018, 09:11:05 AM
The Greeks are the one country where it makes total 100% sense for them to leave.

They’d be better off today if they’d left 5 years ago.

Lol no.

leaving the eurozone and reinstating the drachma, maybe. Leaving the EU altogether? Noway, that would be fucking insane.
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Post by: Nintex on November 15, 2018, 10:09:44 AM
Quote from: kingv on November 15, 2018, 09:11:05 AM
The Greeks are the one country where it makes total 100% sense for them to leave.

They’d be better off today if they’d left 5 years ago.
Yep but unlike the brits they didn't have strong political leadership or a strong economic position so their bluf was called.
As soon as the ATM's ran dry and the protests started the new leftwing populist government caved to EU austerity demands.

The government had asked Russia for help but the Russians were unable and unwilling to put up the money to back a new currency.
Varoufakis tried to head over to the central bank where he discovered the Greeks were denied access to their own financial systems by the ECB.
Rumors swirled among conservative MP's that German tanks would head to Athens if they did not reach an agreement that night.
It did not help that special forces and police from Germany and other EU members were already helping out with riot control of the protests.

At the 11th hour Varoufakis recruited cyber security experts (essentially hackers) to take back control of the banking system. Once they had found a way in he went to the office of the Prime Minister to ask for the final go ahead.
The new currency would be backed by gold reserves and they were ready to print at midnight. The PM however refused to give Varoufakis the green light to reintroduce their own currency and lock out the ECB from the Greek central banking systems so he resigned.

What Varoufakis didn't know at that time was that his main rival, the Dutch finance minister who was also the head of the finance group of the Eurozone members had already told his department to start drawing up plans to leave the Euro and reintroduce the Guilder 'just in case'.

Meanwhile in Brexit Land

https://twitter.com/sheryllmurray/status/1063086369990459393 (https://twitter.com/sheryllmurray/status/1063086369990459393)

Yes that is Theresa May in the profile picture.
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Post by: kingv on November 15, 2018, 01:58:57 PM
Quote from: jorma on November 15, 2018, 10:02:14 AM
Quote from: kingv on November 15, 2018, 09:11:05 AM
The Greeks are the one country where it makes total 100% sense for them to leave.

They’d be better off today if they’d left 5 years ago.

Lol no.

leaving the eurozone and reinstating the drachma, maybe. Leaving the EU altogether? Noway, that would be fucking insane.

I meant getting rid of Euros.

I doubt the EU would let them do one without the other, however.

I’m not honestly sure how just straight leave could be worse than it currently is. They’re gdp is half what it was 10 years ago.
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Post by: Nintex on November 15, 2018, 02:23:10 PM
I must say it has been a delight to look at UK politics today compared to the circus going on elsewhere.

Everyone is very civil and well spoken even if they disagree.
"The honourable gentleman would be wrong to assume...."
"My honourable friend would be well advised to look at paragraph 5 section 16...."

And there's the occasional "Hear hear" and "Yeah yeah" with a speaker loudly moderating it all.

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Post by: Raist on November 15, 2018, 03:45:28 PM
Quote from: kingv on November 15, 2018, 08:56:17 AM
They hold the cards, but brexit is going to be bad for the entire eu and not just the UK.

:lol

No.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 15, 2018, 04:40:16 PM
Quote from: kingv on November 15, 2018, 08:56:17 AM
Why wouldn’t the EU just say “hey do a new referendum and we’ll call it good”?

It’s madness. They hold the cards, but brexit is going to be bad for the entire eu and not just the UK. You eurotrash  are a vindictive lot.

My uninformed opinion

1) Uk has been the major EU country to resist further EU integration and having them out will make for a stronger and more unified EU in the long run.
2) Letting them back in would be an incredibly weak play and would let other members play the separation card to easy.  Also pretty sure they can't do this legally at this point. 
3)  Given the border mess and potential moves for the financial industry, this will allow the EU to have a large influence over the UK anyways even without them being a member. 
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 15, 2018, 06:42:04 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46214526
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Post by: kingv on November 16, 2018, 12:35:50 AM
Quote from: Raist on November 15, 2018, 03:45:28 PM
Quote from: kingv on November 15, 2018, 08:56:17 AM
They hold the cards, but brexit is going to be bad for the entire eu and not just the UK.

:lol

No.

You’re fooling yourself if you think the EU doesn’t come out of this bruised. UK is like... a sixth or so of the EU GDP. Losing that money, and that market is going to be painful for both sides, and will lower both the EU and U.K. negotiating power in trade deals
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Post by: Raist on November 16, 2018, 01:23:26 AM
It's the UK on its own vs. the EU going from 28 to 27 countries.

There's no market to be lost. The UK cannot simply function on its own, half of their economy is based on finances and services. They're certainly not going to import stuff from across oceans when there's a massive variety of productions across the Channel. Conversely, that means that it won't be a burden on imports by the EU. They produce fuck all.

Then there's the issue of bleeding companies (thus jobs) towards the EU.
It's already started. A fuckload of companies (especially in the finance and services sector) have already spent millions to relocate all or part of their operations, many of them as early as January. There's no stopping that.

The UK has always been a net beneficiary within the EU. Sure, they "pay" a lot of money in. They also get a fuckload back, be it directly through subsidies, grants etc, but also indirectly because the overwhelming majority of EU migrants are students (who bring a fuckton of money in the universities) and young workers. Who not only contribute a massive amount of money via taxes (this alone is well over the amount contributed by the UK to the EU), but also barely make an impact in terms of costs via social services (healthcare, education, benefits etc).

It's not going to be pretty.
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Post by: Raist on November 16, 2018, 02:10:52 AM
Quote from: Boris "they love our cakes" Johnson
He told the BBC: "For the first time in 1,000 years, this place, this Parliament, will not have a say over the laws that govern this country. It is a quite incredible state of affairs.

B-b-but... I thought the whole Brexit thing was about finally taking back control of your own laws, from the hands of evil yurop ???

:lol
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 16, 2018, 10:48:26 AM
LOL the UK has a budget vote next week.  This is beyond a train wreck.
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Post by: Crash Dummy on November 16, 2018, 11:09:21 AM
so happy i brexited myself
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Post by: kingv on November 16, 2018, 11:49:05 AM
Quote from: Raist on November 16, 2018, 01:23:26 AM
It's the UK on its own vs. the EU going from 28 to 27 countries.

There's no market to be lost. The UK cannot simply function on its own, half of their economy is based on finances and services. They're certainly not going to import stuff from across oceans when there's a massive variety of productions across the Channel. Conversely, that means that it won't be a burden on imports by the EU. They produce fuck all.

Then there's the issue of bleeding companies (thus jobs) towards the EU.
It's already started. A fuckload of companies (especially in the finance and services sector) have already spent millions to relocate all or part of their operations, many of them as early as January. There's no stopping that.

The UK has always been a net beneficiary within the EU. Sure, they "pay" a lot of money in. They also get a fuckload back, be it directly through subsidies, grants etc, but also indirectly because the overwhelming majority of EU migrants are students (who bring a fuckton of money in the universities) and young workers. Who not only contribute a massive amount of money via taxes (this alone is well over the amount contributed by the UK to the EU), but also barely make an impact in terms of costs via social services (healthcare, education, benefits etc).

It's not going to be pretty.

More Free trade is always better than less free trade, in aggregate. There will be some winners and some losers, but the rest of the EU will not net-net have a higher GDP because of brexit. It will have some costs in the system. Some countries might net benefit, but most will not.

There may be other benefits like the strength or unity of the EU, but additional barriers to trade will have a negative effect on wages and GDP growth. Maybe they figure out a way to brexit and not change the overall tariff scheme, but it looking kind of unlikely
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 16, 2018, 06:08:31 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/9xqckx/turkey_leaks_photos_of_jamal_khashoggis/

fuck
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Post by: kingv on November 16, 2018, 06:25:19 PM
Yeah... I’m not going to look at those pictures
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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 16, 2018, 07:24:22 PM
They're fake, just still from some TV show.
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Post by: Nintex on November 16, 2018, 07:37:06 PM
What sort of sick fuck would release fake photo's of this event

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:putin
[close]
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Post by: benjipwns on November 16, 2018, 07:50:14 PM
Quote from: Nintex on November 15, 2018, 02:23:10 PM
I must say it has been a delight to look at UK politics today compared to the circus going on elsewhere.

Everyone is very civil and well spoken even if they disagree.
"The honourable gentleman would be wrong to assume...."
"My honourable friend would be well advised to look at paragraph 5 section 16...."

And there's the occasional "Hear hear" and "Yeah yeah" with a speaker loudly moderating it all.


The U.S. Senate has this same kind of rule, it's actually even harsher than Parliament's. You cannot address another member from the floor of the Senate, all comments must be addressed to the presiding officer.

(The House is mildly more lax, but you can't bring your dogs onto the floor of the House since Speaker Henry Clay ruled otherwise in 1813 or whatever it was.)
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Post by: benjipwns on November 16, 2018, 07:52:40 PM
1811 (https://history.house.gov/Blog/Detail/15032398454).
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 16, 2018, 09:19:55 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 16, 2018, 07:24:22 PM
They're fake, just still from some TV show.

really?  Well that's kind of a relief.  That hand would have haunted me. 
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Post by: Nintex on November 17, 2018, 11:59:24 AM
https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/1063833975158960128 (https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/1063833975158960128)

With reports that 5 cabinet members have threatened to resign unless she changes the deal this seems to be the end of the road for May.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 17, 2018, 01:26:48 PM
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-brexit-fantasy-goes-down-in-tears
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Post by: Nintex on November 17, 2018, 02:02:50 PM
What saves Brexit will be Brussels, Germany and France.
The English are known to sometimes drag their feet and fuck around. They have done so for many years, even when they were still part of the EU.
Even their most famous historical figures like Churchill were fuck-ups until they weren't.

Germany however, doesn't do 'no deal' or 'anarchy' Germans are well organized and prepared. They won't allow a no-deal scenario to unfold that could endanger their economy, security or country.
With Macron at the helm of France (and his approval is like 20%) I don't see him sitting on his hands while this plays out either.
Both Merkel and Macron don't want to be the German and French leaders that watched the EU collapse under their watch.
If Brittain doesn't pay the 40 billion or there's no settlement of any kind, the Italians and others with a significant debt to the EU would follow with their own 'clean Brexit' shortly.
Not to mention that if the Brits walk away with 40 billion even the Dutch and German tax payers will feel duped.

Lastly, there's the bureaucrats in Brussels. Who've been put in that spot by powerful business interests and the leaders of the most important countries (Germany, France, Netherlands, Baltics) precisely to prevent a no deal scenario like this from happening.
As soon as it looks like a no deal Brexit is certain German car makers and other powerful lobbyists in Brussels will protest. The same people that write most of their policies. In fact, the most important civil servants in Brussels meet with representatives of German banks and industry to discuss and set policy on a nearly daily basis. Nothing in Brussels gets done without the go ahead of powerful interests.

The breaking point and leverage will be the 40 billion settlement payment. The EU is already low on cash and wants to raise more from member states.

With Greece the same thing happened (and now it's playing out with Italy as well).
They were always tethering on the brink of Brussels walking away from the table but deadlines and goalposts kept being moved and the EU never could walk away and the Greeks knew it.

At some point or another the EU(and/or Germany or France) will budge. And the Brits know this, because they've sat at the same table negotiating with the Greeks, Italians, Spanish and all the other deadbeats in the past.
They know how this game is played.
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Post by: Raist on November 17, 2018, 02:23:35 PM
Quote from: Nintex on November 17, 2018, 02:02:50 PM
What saves Brexit will be Brussels, Germany and France.
The English are known to sometimes drag their feet and fuck around. They have done so for many years, even when they were still part of the EU.
Even their most famous historical figures like Churchill were fuck-ups until they weren't.

Germany however, doesn't do 'no deal' or 'anarchy' Germans are well organized and prepared. They won't allow a no-deal scenario to unfold that could endanger their economy, security or country.
With Macron at the helm of France (and his approval is like 20%) I don't see him sitting on his hands while this plays out either.
Both Merkel and Macron don't want to be the German and French leaders that watched the EU collapse under their watch.
If Brittain doesn't pay the 40 billion or there's no settlement of any kind, the Italians and others with a significant debt to the EU would follow with their own 'clean Brexit' shortly.
Not to mention that if the Brits walk away with 40 billion even the Dutch and German tax payers will feel duped.

Lastly, there's the bureaucrats in Brussels. Who've been put in that spot by powerful business interests and the leaders of the most important countries (Germany, France, Netherlands, Baltics) precisely to prevent a no deal scenario like this from happening.
As soon as it looks like a no deal Brexit is certain German car makers and other powerful lobbyists in Brussels will protest. The same people that write most of their policies. In fact, the most important civil servants in Brussels meet with representatives of German banks and industry to discuss and set policy on a nearly daily basis. Nothing in Brussels gets done without the go ahead of powerful interests.

The breaking point and leverage will be the 40 billion settlement payment. The EU is already low on cash and wants to raise more from member states.

With Greece the same thing happened (and now it's playing out with Italy as well).
They were always tethering on the brink of Brussels walking away from the table but deadlines and goalposts kept being moved and the EU never could walk away and the Greeks knew it.

At some point or another the EU(and/or Germany or France) will budge. And the Brits know this, because they've sat at the same table negotiating with the Greeks, Italians, Spanish and all the other deadbeats in the past.
They know how this game is played.


(https://startupyard.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/f60db82acb9510030d2cf396c5bfa087_its-fine-the-anthem-of-meme-everything-is-fine-fire_1280-720.jpeg)
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Post by: Raist on November 17, 2018, 02:35:28 PM
Quote
Brexiteer Tory MP Mark Francois, who has submitted a letter of no confidence, says the prime minister is "irretrievably committed to Chequers".

He says: "The draft agreement is 585 pages, it is extremely complex and is written in legalese.

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol


https://twitter.com/PropertySpot/status/1063790996859830272


"This deal to leave the EU does not allow us to remain a member of the EU :rage"

:rofl :rofl
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Post by: Nintex on November 17, 2018, 06:57:17 PM
It is now more about getting rid of May and finding other uses for the 40 billion than Brexit.

This Brexit thing doesn't seem nearly as important to most conservative MP's.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 17, 2018, 07:15:54 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46237012
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Post by: Nintex on November 18, 2018, 06:28:23 AM
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1064093866440253441 (https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1064093866440253441)

With opposition like this
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Post by: Sman on November 18, 2018, 06:40:57 AM
I always thought the French political scene as inept and depressing.

But then I look at the UK in the last few years and the French don't look so bad in comparison.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 18, 2018, 01:20:46 PM
(https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/methode%2Fsundaytimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2Fa0c2352c-ea6b-11e8-ae8b-93697427c437.jpg?crop=1500%2C1000%2C0%2C0&resize=758)
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Post by: Raist on November 18, 2018, 02:21:00 PM
Quote from: Nintex on November 17, 2018, 06:57:17 PM
It is now more about getting rid of May and finding other uses for the 40 billion than Brexit.

This Brexit thing doesn't seem nearly as important to most conservative MP's.

Wait, you thought they ever gave a shit?

Oh you sweet summer child.




(https://abload.de/img/12346vfhi.jpg)


nigelfaragethingsarelookingprettygood.gif
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Post by: Raist on November 19, 2018, 02:48:51 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46257168

Ah yes, let's divert from the shitshow by talking about them migrants and how we're gonna stop them stealing our jurbz.

Wait...

Quote
She will say migration will become skills-based, with Europeans no longer prioritised over "engineers from Sydney or software developers from Delhi".

:thinking

Amazing pic btw, Theresa :lol
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 19, 2018, 03:10:31 AM
Quote from: Nintex on November 17, 2018, 02:02:50 PM
At some point or another the EU(and/or Germany or France) will budge. And the Brits know this, because they've sat at the same table negotiating with the Greeks, Italians, Spanish and all the other deadbeats in the past.
They know how this game is played.

The EU budged in the case of member states to protect the EU.

In this case protecting the EU means showing what happens when you leave the EU, so they won't budge to make a point.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 19, 2018, 09:18:22 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-46258584
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Post by: Brehvolution on November 19, 2018, 09:25:29 AM
Quote from: Raist on November 17, 2018, 02:35:28 PM

"This deal to leave the EU does not allow us to remain a member of the EU :rage"

:rofl :rofl

Conservatism in a nutshell.
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Post by: Nintex on November 19, 2018, 06:30:19 PM
So now the brexiteers are fighting among themselves and the DUP seems to mull dropping support of May's government.
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1064639095564054535 (https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1064639095564054535)
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Post by: benjipwns on November 19, 2018, 08:44:46 PM
Quote from: The Washington Post
The world can't let Russia run Interpol. My experiences show why.
Quote from: The Washington Post
Putin is about to gain control of the world's main law enforcement.

I'm going to go ahead and suggest these headlines might be a little hyperbolic, especially considering:
Quote
British officials expect Alexander Prokopchuk, a former major-general at the Russian Interior Ministry, to be elected as Interpol president as soon as Wednesday, The Times reported, without saying where it got the information.

The election would follow the resignation of former President Meng Hongwei, who is now being investigated by Chinese authorities under suspicion of accepting bribes and violating other state laws.

...

Prokopchuk is currently a vice president at Interpol.
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Post by: shosta on November 20, 2018, 01:32:41 AM
let's check up on Tanzania, since they're going to be one of the world's largest countries in a few decades

Quote
As Magufuli’s popularity declines, so his peculiar economic interventions have increased. Only this month, Magufuli tried to force up the price of cashew nuts, a major crop in Tanzania. Nut buyers rejected the new state-declared price, which was much higher than the international price. Undeterred, Magufuli ordered the Tanzania People’s Defence Forces to buy the produce at almost twice the market rate. The effort was clearly a political ploy since the major nut-growing region, Mtwara, is an opposition stronghold and the intention was to increase the president’s popularity among nut growers in this region. However, to do so, Magufuli has acted in defiance of simple market economics typical of his benighted and archaic socialist ideas.

Magufuli’s most economically damaging economic intervention has been to change the mining laws, making the country effectively a no-go investment destination. In 2016, he introduced legislation that requires at least a 16% government free carry, increases royalties on metals exports from 4%-6%, allows the government to cancel or renegotiate gas and mineral contracts, and forbids companies from seeking international arbitration.

The most egregious act of government has been to claim $190bn from Barrick’s Acacia Mining in taxes, fines and interest, which is about 200 times the mine’s gold reserves. Magufuli is a former high-school chemistry teacher and, according to industry specialists, the claim is based on his own calculation of the value of gold plus other mineral content of the ore. Magufuli’s claim is that the total value of the ore ought to reflect the value of all its content, but in fact ore with additional mineral content is sold at a discount because special processes are necessary to remove the non-gold content
ah, ok, let's not go back to Tanzania
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Post by: benjipwns on November 20, 2018, 01:42:37 AM
Quote
The government had warned politicians to refrain from engaging in witchcraft
wow, so much for free and fair elections
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Post by: Nintex on November 20, 2018, 05:19:48 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 19, 2018, 08:44:46 PM
Quote from: The Washington Post
The world can't let Russia run Interpol. My experiences show why.
Quote from: The Washington Post
Putin is about to gain control of the world's main law enforcement.

I'm going to go ahead and suggest these headlines might be a little hyperbolic, especially considering:
Quote
British officials expect Alexander Prokopchuk, a former major-general at the Russian Interior Ministry, to be elected as Interpol president as soon as Wednesday, The Times reported, without saying where it got the information.

The election would follow the resignation of former President Meng Hongwei, who is now being investigated by Chinese authorities under suspicion of accepting bribes and violating other state laws.

...

Prokopchuk is currently a vice president at Interpol.
You think those are hyberbolic?  :smug

https://twitter.com/TomRtweets/status/1064992730403823617 (https://twitter.com/TomRtweets/status/1064992730403823617)

https://twitter.com/20committee/status/1064993971741573122 (https://twitter.com/20committee/status/1064993971741573122)

How about we start playing for REAL here and bring in ISIS and the Nazi's.  :punch
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 20, 2018, 08:52:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmRYGRILOxU&feature=youtu.be

so many more  https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/9yrvqn/brexit_means_titanic/
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Post by: shosta on November 22, 2018, 02:47:20 PM
Hillary Clinton: Europe must curb immigration to stop right wing populists (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/22/hillary-clinton-europe-must-curb-immigration-stop-populists-trump-brexit)
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Post by: Nintex on November 22, 2018, 05:29:45 PM
https://twitter.com/Ruptly/status/1065694759552016385 (https://twitter.com/Ruptly/status/1065694759552016385)

They are preparing to #FreePaulManafort
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Post by: Rufus on November 22, 2018, 06:32:09 PM
Quote from: shosta on November 22, 2018, 02:47:20 PM
Hillary Clinton: Europe must curb immigration to stop right wing populists (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/22/hillary-clinton-europe-must-curb-immigration-stop-populists-trump-brexit)
Oh, really. (https://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-jerkbag.gif)

Also, I hereby petition to steal this smiley for our hoard.
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Post by: shosta on November 22, 2018, 06:57:18 PM
You know, Rufus, I thought about it, and...

crowding the center is a legitimate strategy and how places like Japan can have only one dominant party for as long as they have. while onerously legitimizing race based politics it might be a worthwhile strategic move. i say this because

1) the migrant crisis is mostly over anyway. 1 million people arrived in 2015 and the number of new arrivals is vastly lower. Compared to most refugee situations this was actually better than average for the amount of people able to flee disaster.
2) the right wing populists are actually threatening to send asylum seekers back. I think that is far more dangerous than the hypothetical loss of face left wing politicians in Germany etc. will incur by slowing down or stopping the asylum process.
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Post by: Rufus on November 22, 2018, 08:50:19 PM
"Win in the centre" is the CDUs entire schtick. Much like the LibDems in Japan, they too have governed for the longest amount fo time (and the longest stretches, too). Being a "Volkspartei" is very important to them and it is rewarded by the German people. The candidates lining up to replace Merkel as head of the party know this, too.

Nobody here is blind to why the AfD is gaining. That's why I can only roll my eyes at her redundant input.
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Post by: Nintex on November 24, 2018, 08:40:21 AM
Well, at least the EU is on the same page regarding Brexit right?

https://twitter.com/Ruptly/status/1066323636448051200 (https://twitter.com/Ruptly/status/1066323636448051200)

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Oh god RUSSIANS!, yes well, no outlet here is carrying this.  :lol
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Post by: Rufus on November 24, 2018, 11:53:27 AM
Quote from: Nintex on November 24, 2018, 08:40:21 AM
Well, at least the EU is on the same page regarding Brexit right?

https://twitter.com/Ruptly/status/1066323636448051200 (https://twitter.com/Ruptly/status/1066323636448051200)

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Oh god RUSSIANS!, yes well, no outlet here is carrying this.  :lol
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Old news already:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu/gibraltar-deal-clears-way-for-sunday-brexit-summit-idUSKCN1NS2E7
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Post by: Raist on November 24, 2018, 01:07:51 PM
:dead

https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1065599241555451904
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Post by: Nintex on November 24, 2018, 01:49:17 PM
You have to admit the French stay true to their principals. They even go on strike during the weekend.

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1066364128959303682 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1066364128959303682)
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Post by: kingv on November 24, 2018, 02:25:48 PM
Quote from: Exodust on November 22, 2018, 06:46:23 PM
Can people finally stop riding HRC's rotting clit now?

Hmmm, you don’t like Hillary. Hmmm and your a man. Sexist!
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Post by: benjipwns on November 24, 2018, 10:02:14 PM
Quote from: shosta on November 22, 2018, 06:57:18 PM
You know, Rufus, I thought about it, and...

crowding the center is a legitimate strategy and how places like Japan can have only one dominant party for as long as they have. while onerously legitimizing race based politics it might be a worthwhile strategic move. i say this because
I'd like to point out that much like the PRI in Mexico*, for decades, party membership in the Liberal Democrats was, while not essential, a very powerful advantage for members in ways outside of electoral politics.

*Before they started copying America by importing multi-party competition. And bigotry.
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Post by: shosta on November 25, 2018, 11:38:23 AM
Taiwan feeling the pressure
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Post by: Nintex on November 25, 2018, 12:52:08 PM
Trump had his weekend cut short due to the stand off between the Russian and Ukranian navy at the Kerch strait that is fast escalating. Russian conspirators and corrupt UA officials have also essentially blocked UA borders with Poland and Slovakia with a massive traffic jam.

Yikes
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Post by: Nintex on November 25, 2018, 01:43:06 PM
Good luck bois stay safe

https://twitter.com/StratSentinel/status/1066762400165216256
 (https://twitter.com/StratSentinel/status/1066762400165216256)

https://twitter.com/StratSentinel/status/1066763656191533056 (https://twitter.com/StratSentinel/status/1066763656191533056)
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Post by: Nintex on November 25, 2018, 02:37:57 PM
https://twitter.com/eha_news/status/1066775211561938945 (https://twitter.com/eha_news/status/1066775211561938945)

https://twitter.com/Eire_QC/status/1066776098271305728 (https://twitter.com/Eire_QC/status/1066776098271305728)

https://twitter.com/BreakingNLive/status/1066777420391432193 (https://twitter.com/BreakingNLive/status/1066777420391432193)

The Russians seized 3 Ukrainian ships.
This shit is going south fast
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Post by: Nintex on November 25, 2018, 03:55:42 PM
Russian fake news is faltering today and UA and RU bots are in open warfare on social media.

Here's the fake news:
https://twitter.com/SputnikInt/status/1066795330035961858 (https://twitter.com/SputnikInt/status/1066795330035961858)

And here's a Sputnik/RT propagandist denying that same story:
https://twitter.com/MuradGazdiev/status/1066794041285754880 (https://twitter.com/MuradGazdiev/status/1066794041285754880)


The FSB send out a statement that tensions were eased and the ships had returned safely to their ports.
But now the same news sources are posting stories that 6 UA sailors were injured in the clashes.
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Post by: Nintex on November 25, 2018, 04:57:00 PM
Ukraine has lost the plot. They may declare martial law and a state of war against Russia

https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/1066807627311656960 (https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/1066807627311656960)
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Post by: curly on November 25, 2018, 05:48:10 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1066682146683846657

Usually I can see what the starting point is for Trump's dementia ramblings but on this one I'm totally lost.
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Post by: Nintex on November 25, 2018, 06:30:06 PM
Poroshenko just announced he supports Martial Law 'in defense of the country'. Also calls up the reservists.
Now it just needs to pass their parliament which will certainly happen.

Many see this as a way for him to postpone/cancel elections in March that he had no hope in winning and to bolster his control over the country.


The French protests are mostly against rising diesel and gas prices. Trump probably watched something about it on TV.
So what Trump means is:
"They're protesting high oil prices, but they're not even thinking about the bill I will present them to remedy our trade deficit with France and the military commitments they should meet through the NATO alliance."

He's basically threatening the French that they will have to spend more on the military and trade deals/tariffs and that will only increase the numbers of protests.

Friendship with Macron is over
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Post by: shosta on November 25, 2018, 08:24:08 PM
Quote from: curly on November 25, 2018, 05:48:10 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1066682146683846657

Usually I can see what the starting point is for Trump's dementia ramblings but on this one I'm totally lost.
:whatisthis
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Post by: Raist on November 26, 2018, 02:58:33 AM
Trump's got a massive love/hate-based man crush on Macron. It's really funny.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on November 26, 2018, 08:06:07 AM
Wow, what are you? A necrophiliac?
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Post by: Nintex on November 26, 2018, 05:53:47 PM
It is astonishing to watch the Russian fake news and UN shenigans fall apart at a rapid pace.

Russians called for a UN meeting entitled: "Violation of borders of the Russian federation".
But the other members really wouldn't have any of it.

The Russians then said that they wouldn't respond to the Ukrainian side but backtracked on that when they found out UA had 100% support of the UNSC and recordings of the Russians carrying out the orders to attack the Ukrainian vessels.
It also doesn't help that one of the Russians filmed the Russian coastguard ramming the Ukrainian ship on purpose. From the outset it looks like an orchestrated event that was bungled.

Poroshenko will also introduce a bill that continues the election despite the martial law should it come to that. Silencing his political rivals who said he only wanted martial law to postpone the elections.

For the first time in a while the Russians are standing with their backs against the wall diplomatically.
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Post by: benjipwns on November 26, 2018, 06:09:45 PM
How exactly? This is the same situation they had with Crimea...hell, pretty much with Georgia too.

When have they ever cared about getting a sternly worded lecture from diplomats? Or footage of their blatantly staged/altered events releasing?

Quote from: Sergey Aksyonov
Ukrainian warships illegally crossed Russia’s border and blatantly violated norms of international law. I am sure Western patrons of the Kiev regime are behind this provocation it doesn’t look a mere coincidence that European and American politicians have been so concerned over the situation in the Sea of Azov in the recent months. Ukraine, as a country stripped of sovereignty and being under external governance, is an instrument for whipping up international tensions.
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Post by: Nintex on November 26, 2018, 06:43:06 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 26, 2018, 06:09:45 PM
How exactly? This is the same situation they had with Crimea...hell, pretty much with Georgia too.

When have they ever cared about getting a sternly worded lecture from diplomats? Or footage of their blatantly staged/altered events releasing?

Quote from: Sergey Aksyonov
Ukrainian warships illegally crossed Russia’s border and blatantly violated norms of international law. I am sure Western patrons of the Kiev regime are behind this provocation it doesn’t look a mere coincidence that European and American politicians have been so concerned over the situation in the Sea of Azov in the recent months. Ukraine, as a country stripped of sovereignty and being under external governance, is an instrument for whipping up international tensions.
The difference is that their own channels are sending conflicting messages and reports. Usually the Russians have a bullshit story and they stick to that bullshit story and when it changes, everyone changes their story.
Usually it doesn't start with the FSB claiming everything is fine and Russia Today reporting shelling of the Donbass with their own journalists denying it.

In fact, in the end the Russians pretty much reported the 'truth' of 6 injured sailors and even released photo's of the seized Ukrainian vessels. An event that he FSB had denied just hours before.
Not to mention that throughout the events Putin and his friends have pretty much been silent as have their network of trolls and propagandists.

It is as if someone in the chain of bullshit command said: "Nope" when the networks tried to escalate this and they all improvised on the spot.
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Post by: benjipwns on November 26, 2018, 07:05:28 PM
They messed up like that during the Crimea stuff too, RT's small level of autonomy almost always backfires like that to where it should be a meme. Remember all the anchors resigning on the air and stuff?
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Post by: Nola on November 27, 2018, 07:36:15 PM
https://twitter.com/davidschneider/status/1067433184130809859

 :gbcry :gbcry :gbcry

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Post by: benjipwns on November 27, 2018, 08:37:25 PM
putting shit in his briefing that's wrong and then sorta smugly correcting him when he fucks up must be straight from the original show writers
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Post by: Raist on November 28, 2018, 02:47:15 AM
Never forget.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJzW_gFoXR0

Lord Buckethead for PM :rejoice
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Post by: Nintex on November 28, 2018, 02:11:07 PM
"What did we do in the second world war?"

 :dead

Meanwhile in Russia
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This timeline is just so fucking weird.  :doge
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Post by: Raist on November 28, 2018, 03:39:29 PM
Quote from: Nintex on November 28, 2018, 02:11:07 PM
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Uncanny.

(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/669632/Baghdad_Bob.jpg)
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Post by: Nintex on November 28, 2018, 03:51:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEl7yMHp1fQ

This is comedy gold at just 5 minutes in when Boris 'breaks the ice' with a Hirohito joke.  :lol
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Post by: Nintex on November 29, 2018, 06:05:04 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/mathieuvonrohr/status/1068255923603415046 (https://mobile.twitter.com/mathieuvonrohr/status/1068255923603415046)
Translation:
A) The German government has 1 working plane (which broke down)
B) None of the other EU member states wanted to arrange a flight for th German delegation

 :doge
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Post by: kingv on November 30, 2018, 11:12:08 AM
I was in a German airport when the tram broke down and this shit doesn’t surprise me at all. There was literally no establish way to just walk between terminals, so they had to get a gate guard to like take us through all these back routes and stuff.
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Post by: Nintex on November 30, 2018, 01:35:09 PM
The G20 is going well
https://twitter.com/NTarnopolsky/status/1068571828216582144 (https://twitter.com/NTarnopolsky/status/1068571828216582144)

 :doge

https://twitter.com/TIME/status/1068565522508333061 (https://twitter.com/TIME/status/1068565522508333061)

"I liked that move with the chainsaw breh"
"Man, I love how you blackmailed the US Prez"
 :mynicca
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Post by: Raist on December 01, 2018, 06:24:29 AM
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/11/france-is-most-food-sustainable-country-u-s-and-u-k-faltering/


Best food.

Most sustainable food.

It's true.


(https://abload.de/img/mari1-100066832aduo.jpg)
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Post by: Nintex on December 01, 2018, 06:50:04 AM
Quote from: Raist on December 01, 2018, 06:24:29 AM
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/11/france-is-most-food-sustainable-country-u-s-and-u-k-faltering/


Best food.

Most sustainable food.

It's true.


(https://abload.de/img/mari1-100066832aduo.jpg)
*high five*

We're number two.

Those dumb shits will all starve and we can troll them  8)
Can't drive tanks on empty stomachs brehs
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Post by: jorma on December 01, 2018, 07:33:46 AM
Quote from: Raist on December 01, 2018, 06:24:29 AM
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/11/france-is-most-food-sustainable-country-u-s-and-u-k-faltering/


Best food.

Most sustainable food.

It's true.


(https://abload.de/img/mari1-100066832aduo.jpg)

Quote
Every year, consumers in France waste 67.2kg of food per person compared to 95.1kg in the United States, 87.1kg in Belgium and 78.2kg in Canada, Koehring said.

Murica still comes out way ahead when you measure it as a percentage of food eaten  :doge
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Post by: Nintex on December 01, 2018, 07:35:43 AM
People apparently love having the most sustainable food culture

https://twitter.com/LinePress/status/1068823391656992768 (https://twitter.com/LinePress/status/1068823391656992768)

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Post by: Raist on December 01, 2018, 11:52:35 AM
Quote from: Nintex on December 01, 2018, 06:50:04 AM
Quote from: Raist on December 01, 2018, 06:24:29 AM
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/11/france-is-most-food-sustainable-country-u-s-and-u-k-faltering/


Best food.

Most sustainable food.

It's true.


(https://abload.de/img/mari1-100066832aduo.jpg)
*high five*

We're number two.

Those dumb shits will all starve and we can troll them  8)
Can't drive tanks on empty stomachs brehs


I'm not sure whether the trash you have really qualifies as food tho.
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Post by: Nintex on December 01, 2018, 01:17:03 PM
This is amazingly shot.
https://twitter.com/NTarnopolsky/status/1068927090144305152 (https://twitter.com/NTarnopolsky/status/1068927090144305152)
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Post by: VomKriege on December 01, 2018, 03:50:43 PM
French politicians after every union backed strike or demonstration in the last 25 years : "Street mobs are not the government ! GTFO unions."

French politicians now : "It's terrible, those grassroot movements have no leaders, no coherence and no institutional relays we can talk to, how did it come to this ?  :-\ ."

I'm not wishing for anyone to be brutalized by police but I'm a bit floored by the overall leniency and borderline apologetics this movement has been getting. Unions wouldn't get away with letting half of this shit happen in a demonstration and someone would have called for sending the army in projects if it was "young urban thugs". I have a hard time believing the Paris police would be overwhelmed by 5000 or so demonstrators, even rowdy ones. Though I guess the tune will change unfavourably, it's not exactly good press to trash public property all over Paris twice.

But such is France : everyone goes on and on and on about playing by the rules of the sacrosanct Republican order, but the reality is that only the groups playing rough or dirty are effective at protecting their corporations (farmers, fishermen, truck drivers, hunters, some dockers, etc...).
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Post by: shosta on December 01, 2018, 04:08:56 PM
What ever happened to France's state of emergency? Surely this is more pressing than a real but microscopic terrorist threat from migrants.
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Post by: Raist on December 01, 2018, 04:16:18 PM
Aaaaand another Minister resigned over Brexit (Sam Gyimah, Universities & Science Minister).

(https://i.imgur.com/BLvkHbg.gif)
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Post by: VomKriege on December 01, 2018, 04:29:44 PM
Quote from: shosta on December 01, 2018, 04:08:56 PM
What ever happened to France's state of emergency? Surely this is more pressing than a real but microscopic terrorist threat from migrants.

 :idont

The state of emergency has been lifted a while ago. Besides things are not that bad, the vandalism itself is not disproportionately more extensive than what you'll get with black blocks or the local football fans going wild to celebrate a win. Overall 2 casualties and hundreds of injuries (from light to severe) after several weeks is a far cry from tens of people gunned down.

I guess police could have been ordered to handle things more forcibly in general (many gatherings and blockades were not properly declared to relevant administration beforehand if at all) but it would probably have been a PR disaster. The movement will probably fizzle out at some point and waiting is probably the optimal, if cynical, move.
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Post by: Nintex on December 01, 2018, 08:14:47 PM
Quote from: Raist on December 01, 2018, 04:16:18 PM
Aaaaand another Minister resigned over Brexit (Sam Gyimah, Universities & Science Minister).

(https://i.imgur.com/BLvkHbg.gif)
May is about to commit political suicide and pass the hot potato on to the next in line.

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1068957823575498754 (https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1068957823575498754)
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Post by: benjipwns on December 02, 2018, 12:07:03 AM
Mr. Preston and the people replying to his tweet seem to have entirely discounted the idea that people often feign confidence. It's all some elaborate plan, or mental disorder, or she's an austy, or brain cancer, or she's an evil robot.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 02, 2018, 12:08:05 AM
These two are probably most on the ball though:
Quote
alison warner
@firtyfreefousan
 8h8 hours ago
Replying to @Peston @theresa_may
personally I would not be surprised if she was plotting a military takeover - the army are already poised to impose martial war
15 replies 3 retweets 51 likes

Maria Nelson #JC4PM #GTTO
@rhymingmisfit
 6h6 hours ago
my thoughts too said this to someone a while back
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Post by: Raist on December 02, 2018, 02:33:23 AM
The military's allegiance is to the crown, not the government. Nice try.
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Post by: Nintex on December 02, 2018, 07:18:35 AM
The running theory is that she wants to call another 'snap election'  in case she loses the vote.
That way the public gets to vote for/against her (and her deal) without having a referendum.

Corbyn is dumb over this and still supports Brexit to the dismay of his own party and doesn't want to focus the election on Brexit.
Polls also show that she's still more popular than Boris Johnson, David Davis and other conservative leaders.
If she calls for a snap election the party leaders will probably not risk a leadership battle and the party is likely to close ranks again.
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Post by: Kara on December 02, 2018, 01:02:20 PM
If you haven't won an election in awhile it's not dumb to support the result of a plebiscite that got 52%, especially when the hard remain party's support has utterly collapsed. Stop gibbering.
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Post by: shosta on December 02, 2018, 02:35:47 PM
Hasn't Remain support been much larger than Leave for months and months? I just checked and it was 52% in October.
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Post by: VomKriege on December 02, 2018, 04:45:52 PM
Quote from: shosta on December 02, 2018, 02:35:47 PM
Hasn't Remain support been much larger than Leave for months and months? I just checked and it was 52% in October.

Polls fly away, elections remain (or in that case, don't).
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Post by: Kara on December 02, 2018, 05:18:14 PM
The polling in the runup to the vote showed remain winning, that's part of why it was a shocking result.
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Post by: BisMarckie on December 02, 2018, 05:22:32 PM
Quote from: Kara on December 02, 2018, 05:18:14 PM
The polling in the runup to the vote showed remain winning, that's part of why it was a shocking result.

IIRC the polls showed remain winning rather comfortably, while the bookies on the eve of the referendum had it down to a coin flip.

The gambling mafia caused Brexit :hans1
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Post by: Kara on December 02, 2018, 05:28:39 PM
Bookies want even wagering. :money

They're also probably more in tune with the average UK voter than pollsters and politicians.
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Post by: Nintex on December 02, 2018, 06:23:13 PM
Macron's problems keep piling up. In some cities the police is siding with the protestors in other cases things get out of hand.
https://twitter.com/BreakingNLive/status/1069340718844522496 (https://twitter.com/BreakingNLive/status/1069340718844522496)

He wants to open a dialogue with the leaders of the 'yellow vest' movement. But the movement has no leadership.
Basically everyone who doesn't like Macron or the government or just wants to vent has put on a yellow vest to protest and shout he must resign. It's a mess.

Some stores were looted and people beaten by police and such. But in every interview the citizens blame Macron for everything that has happened.
Which is kinda weird, as usually the protest movements themselves get the backlash once the looting starts.
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Post by: kingv on December 03, 2018, 01:32:32 PM
Quote from: shosta on December 02, 2018, 02:35:47 PM
Hasn't Remain support been much larger than Leave for months and months? I just checked and it was 52% in October.

That’s pretty crazy. Brits are maybe even dumber than Americans. Remain should have like 70%+ support.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 03, 2018, 02:19:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-UXpntPT1k
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Post by: Nintex on December 03, 2018, 03:09:51 PM
The problem is
- 2008 economic crisis
- Unpopular President
- Tax hikes
- Russia
- Migration
- EU
- Nazi's
- Antifa
- Facebook!

https://twitter.com/economics/status/1069682981613252608 (https://twitter.com/economics/status/1069682981613252608)


OH well, these facebook revolutions always end the same. By the end of the month Macron will be raped in a ditch by parisians as NATO bombers celebrate the installment of a Muslim Brotherhood member as President.  :teehee
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Post by: Kara on December 03, 2018, 03:27:16 PM
I think the remain vote in Gibraltar was 90+ percent or something. Have a age of empire rump state as a modern day nation-state, brehs.
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Post by: Raist on December 03, 2018, 03:47:03 PM
Quote from: Kara on December 03, 2018, 03:27:16 PM
I think the remain vote in Gibraltar was 90+ percent or something. Have a age of empire rump state as a modern day nation-state, brehs.

97 IIRC
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Post by: shosta on December 03, 2018, 04:07:53 PM
Kick all those "Gibraltarians" back to Spain and Morocco. Treasonous subjects are as good as dead ones. Have the royal mouser clean up the stragglers.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 03, 2018, 04:56:22 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/03/its-real-me-nigerian-president-denies-dying-and-being-replaced-by-clone
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Nigeria’s President Muhammadu Buhari has denied claims that he had died and was replaced by a Sudanese impostor, breaking his silence on a rumour that has circulated on social media for months.
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“It’s the real me, I assure you. I will soon celebrate my 76th birthday and I will still go strong,” Buhari told Nigerians in a town hall session in Poland on Sunday, where he was attending a conference, when asked about Jubril.

“A lot of people hoped that I died during my ill health. Some even reached out to the Vice President to consider them to be his deputy because they assumed I was dead. That embarrassed him a lot and of course, he visited me when I was in London convalescing,’’ he said, adding that those who spread the rumour were “ignorant and irreligious”.

The Nigerian leader said he was looking forward to celebrating his 76th birthday on December 17 and jocularly added: ‘‘If I am getting harassed by anyone, it is my grandchildren, who are getting too many.’’

The presidency circulated Buhari’s comments in an emailed statement entitled “It’s Real Me, President Buhari Responds to Cloning Allegation”.

A video of the president answering the question, which shows his colleagues laughing as the question is read out, has been posted to the president’s Twitter account, which is followed by 1.76m people, where it is pinned as his top tweet.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 04, 2018, 12:19:36 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46446694

lol
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Post by: Raist on December 04, 2018, 01:26:01 PM
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage-quits-ukip-over-tommy-robinson-appointment-a4008401.html


lololol
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Post by: VomKriege on December 04, 2018, 02:11:13 PM
Quote from: Raist on December 04, 2018, 01:26:01 PM
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage-quits-ukip-over-tommy-robinson-appointment-a4008401.html


lololol

Didn't he quit UKIP once already in the wake of the Brexit vote (or was it just stepping down from leadership offices) ?
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Post by: Raist on December 04, 2018, 02:21:04 PM
He stepped down from being party leader back then. He's now quitting the party.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 05, 2018, 12:46:37 AM
He probably got pushed out by Head Waiter Sargon in a masterful Machiavellian power play.
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Post by: hungrynoob on December 05, 2018, 12:50:02 AM
Europe is about to fall apart at the feet whilst each protesting country chants for Trump!

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Post by: Raist on December 05, 2018, 01:20:15 AM
:crazy

 :insane
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Post by: benjipwns on December 05, 2018, 02:21:08 AM
This is how the French protest, this is how the French have always protested. I'd be skeptical it's a harbinger of much of anything, especially in the rest of Yurop. Let alone The Trump Ascendancy.
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Post by: hungrynoob on December 05, 2018, 02:31:28 AM
https://twitter.com/RealBasedMAGA/status/1070053618819190784?fbclid=IwAR2Dfyr9H2w1Cs4IZS1Cr6MZJ-1gAqhOTZ6wJAE1FUNunj8h0N-e0VftZ-8

"fuel tax"

 :neogaf
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Post by: Raist on December 05, 2018, 03:38:45 AM
Ah yes, France and its well known police force which includes members of the UK's Met, and the "yellow jackets" are waving english flags because reasons :rofl

https://twitter.com/RealBasedMAGA/status/1069581757899526144


GTFO :lol
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Post by: Nintex on December 05, 2018, 06:07:31 AM
France is sort of a geopolitical melting pot atm. The looters spoke Russian. Yesterday a frenchy doing a Soros/rothschild rant went viral :doge
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Post by: hungrynoob on December 05, 2018, 06:33:20 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/pg43DzK.jpg)
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Post by: VomKriege on December 05, 2018, 07:14:15 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on December 05, 2018, 02:21:08 AM
This is how the French protest, this is how the French have always protested. I'd be skeptical it's a harbinger of much of anything, especially in the rest of Yurop. Let alone The Trump Ascendancy.

It's not invalid to see some continuation of European trends regarding populism but I'd say France is trailing behind other countries more than setting an example (like how Nuit Debout was an Occupy/Podemos style protest a few years later). For some time now effective protest here has moved towards those sort of events (whether the Red Beanies which is the most similar to the current Yellow Vests or the ZADist occupation to stop an airport project in the west) and to some extent vandalism and violence has always been part and parcel in some protests.
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Post by: Raist on December 05, 2018, 10:31:36 AM
Quote from: Nintex on December 05, 2018, 06:07:31 AM
France is sort of a geopolitical melting pot atm. The looters spoke Russian. Yesterday a frenchy doing a Soros/rothschild rant went viral :doge

That video is shot in London, not France you muppet.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 05, 2018, 10:40:14 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1070312880095068160
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1070314629732163586

China pls kill all your drug dealers for us, it'll be incredible. :wow
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 05, 2018, 12:54:41 PM
I always knew France was a mistake. 
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Post by: Nintex on December 05, 2018, 01:04:52 PM
Quote from: Raist on December 05, 2018, 10:31:36 AM
Quote from: Nintex on December 05, 2018, 06:07:31 AM
France is sort of a geopolitical melting pot atm. The looters spoke Russian. Yesterday a frenchy doing a Soros/rothschild rant went viral :doge

That video is shot in London, not France you muppet.
I was talking about my examples.

Russian looters
https://twitter.com/golub/status/1069854206092304384 (https://twitter.com/golub/status/1069854206092304384)

Rothschild:
https://twitter.com/ByzantinFR/status/1069629190000058368 (https://twitter.com/ByzantinFR/status/1069629190000058368)

But really it was Facebook
https://twitter.com/tomgara/status/1070374807122968577 (https://twitter.com/tomgara/status/1070374807122968577)
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 05, 2018, 02:36:57 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46457644
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Post by: Nintex on December 05, 2018, 02:49:02 PM
Just read that the Yellow Vests are still protesting saturday and the police unions have also called for a strike on the same day.

Macron is fuuuuuckkeeddd  :doge

Quote from: Madrun Badrun on December 05, 2018, 02:36:57 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46457644

If Germany ever wanted to beat the allies the time is now.  :thinking
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 05, 2018, 06:52:55 PM
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-canada-has-arrested-huaweis-global-chief-financial-officer-in/
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Post by: hungrynoob on December 05, 2018, 09:55:50 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on December 05, 2018, 12:54:41 PM
I always knew France was a mistake.

Belgium, UK, Germany, the dutch and swedes also feel the same.

Iran has again begun protesting.

Huawei tried to roll out 5g tech, ignored sanctions re: iran.

Why was France trying to move car manufacturing to Iran prior to Trump leaving the Iran deal?

Biggest crime of the Mays brexit plan is it forces UK to only make trade deals with Europe, noone else on global stage. Esp not USA. USA is biggest market with Trump > Not EU.

EU/UN migrant pact to make anyone a criminal who opposes open borders, hopes and dreams. How do you destabalise a country? Remove its borders, dilute its populations. Wait wasnt it us who caused the migrant crisis with war?

Systematic destruction of western civ. THE PEOPLE are fighting back. We havent even hit delcas of info yet.

The world is about to change.

Good bye Socialism/Nazis/muslim brotherhood. AND GLOBALISM. Why did George Bush (Mr NWO) suddenly die? DECLAS INBOUND.

https://twitter.com/esaagar/status/1068526796788817922?fbclid=IwAR24qKpCSC09xT2a-FGEQSUcWb9dLnoibT96H4w2wxTO47uku2SLXof6Xao

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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 05, 2018, 10:05:09 PM
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Why did George Bush (Mr NWO) suddenly die?

Dude was 94. He didn't "suddenly" die.
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Post by: hungrynoob on December 05, 2018, 10:10:13 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 05, 2018, 10:05:09 PM
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Why did George Bush (Mr NWO) suddenly die?

Dude was 94. He didn't "suddenly" die.

What are the odds that his funeral was on the day Q pretended delcass was going to be on Dec 5th?

He gives you a clue.

Odds of a State Funeral on D5?
How many coincidences before mathematically impossible?
68–95–99.7 rule

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/68%E2%80%9395%E2%80%9399.7_rule (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/68%E2%80%9395%E2%80%9399.7_rule)
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Post by: shosta on December 05, 2018, 10:20:43 PM
Didn't we have this exact discussion when Kennedy retired
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Post by: hungrynoob on December 05, 2018, 10:24:07 PM
Quote from: shosta on December 05, 2018, 10:20:43 PM
Didn't we have this exact discussion when Kennedy retired

Sorry I cant quite remember, are you speaking about "The Intervention"?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/EST4VeoXMmF6/?fbclid=IwAR3heQlgDGaZjvJYkcMkZECAC7A8pLwYfAmDDELXOkDhrCvJTXxdRanAKPY (https://www.bitchute.com/video/EST4VeoXMmF6/?fbclid=IwAR3heQlgDGaZjvJYkcMkZECAC7A8pLwYfAmDDELXOkDhrCvJTXxdRanAKPY)
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Post by: shosta on December 05, 2018, 10:25:42 PM
bitch ute .com
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Post by: hungrynoob on December 05, 2018, 10:27:27 PM
Quote from: shosta on December 05, 2018, 10:25:42 PM
bitch ute .com

2ez

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPZHh11gNI4
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Post by: shosta on December 05, 2018, 10:28:26 PM
I'm in a bar, I'm not going to watch that
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Post by: hungrynoob on December 05, 2018, 10:33:06 PM
Quote from: shosta on December 05, 2018, 10:28:26 PM
I'm in a bar, I'm not going to watch that

 :larry
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Post by: Mandark on December 05, 2018, 10:33:40 PM
Quote from: hungrynoob on December 05, 2018, 10:24:07 PM
Quote from: shosta on December 05, 2018, 10:20:43 PM
Didn't we have this exact discussion when Kennedy retired

Sorry I cant quite remember, are you speaking about "The Intervention"?

He's talking about Anthony Kennedy, not John Kennedy.
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Post by: hungrynoob on December 05, 2018, 10:39:51 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 05, 2018, 10:33:40 PM
Quote from: hungrynoob on December 05, 2018, 10:24:07 PM
Quote from: shosta on December 05, 2018, 10:20:43 PM
Didn't we have this exact discussion when Kennedy retired

Sorry I cant quite remember, are you speaking about "The Intervention"?

He's talking about Anthony Kennedy, not John Kennedy.

> Posts clip of Senator With Pres 45 calling JFK assassination an Intervention.
"Thats not what he was talking about"

 :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8HTr-F-FVM
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Post by: Mandark on December 05, 2018, 10:41:05 PM
Not McCain. shosta was talking about Anthony Kennedy.
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Post by: hungrynoob on December 05, 2018, 10:42:49 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 05, 2018, 10:41:05 PM
Not McCain. shosta was talking about Anthony Kennedy.

You're obviously missing the point on purpose. Observers aren't that silly, sorry.
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Post by: Mandark on December 05, 2018, 10:45:14 PM
Quote from: shosta on December 05, 2018, 10:20:43 PM
Didn't we have this exact discussion when Kennedy retired

shosta here is referring to Anthony Kennedy, since you and he had basically the same conversation about timing and "coincidences" when he announced his retirement from the Supreme Court ahead of the midterm elections.

If you do not remember those posts I can link them for you.
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Post by: shosta on December 05, 2018, 10:46:02 PM
It really beggars belief that you could forget about what was supposedly one of the biggest successes in Q's clandestine campaign, namely the purging of a lifetime appointee on a very small committee whose replacements are decided by the (patriots') president.
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Post by: shosta on December 05, 2018, 10:48:26 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 05, 2018, 10:45:14 PM
If you do not remember those posts I can link them for you.
Please don't. I know you obtain some kind of otherwordly pleasure from "receipts" but personally I don't want to relieve that conversation.
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Post by: Broseidon on December 05, 2018, 10:48:33 PM
Imagine being part of a millenarian pseudo-religious internet cult where your messiah is a pathologically-lying elderly failed businessman with personality disorder and a prion disease :mueller
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Post by: Mandark on December 05, 2018, 10:49:12 PM
Quote from: shosta on December 05, 2018, 10:48:26 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 05, 2018, 10:45:14 PM
If you do not remember those posts I can link them for you.
Please don't. I know you obtain some kind of otherwordly pleasure from "receipts" but personally I don't want to relieve that conversation.

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=45709.msg2464039#msg2464039
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Post by: hungrynoob on December 05, 2018, 10:51:31 PM
Quote from: hungrynoob on December 05, 2018, 09:55:50 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on December 05, 2018, 12:54:41 PM
I always knew France was a mistake.

Belgium, UK, Germany, the dutch and swedes also feel the same.

Iran has again begun protesting.

Huawei tried to roll out 5g tech, ignored sanctions re: iran.

Why was France trying to move car manufacturing to Iran prior to Trump leaving the Iran deal?

Biggest crime of the Mays brexit plan is it forces UK to only make trade deals with Europe, noone else on global stage. Esp not USA. USA is biggest market with Trump > Not EU.

EU/UN migrant pact to make anyone a criminal who opposes open borders, hopes and dreams. How do you destabalise a country? Remove its borders, dilute its populations. Wait wasnt it us who caused the migrant crisis with war?

Systematic destruction of western civ. THE PEOPLE are fighting back. We havent even hit delcas of info yet.

The world is about to change.

Good bye Socialism/Nazis/muslim brotherhood. AND GLOBALISM. Why did George Bush (Mr NWO) suddenly die? DECLAS INBOUND.

https://twitter.com/esaagar/status/1068526796788817922?fbclid=IwAR24qKpCSC09xT2a-FGEQSUcWb9dLnoibT96H4w2wxTO47uku2SLXof6Xao

Quote from: hungrynoob on December 05, 2018, 10:10:13 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 05, 2018, 10:05:09 PM
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Why did George Bush (Mr NWO) suddenly die?

Dude was 94. He didn't "suddenly" die.

What are the odds that his funeral was on the day Q pretended delcass was going to be on Dec 5th?

He gives you a clue.

Odds of a State Funeral on D5?
How many coincidences before mathematically impossible?
68–95–99.7 rule

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/68%E2%80%9395%E2%80%9399.7_rule (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/68%E2%80%9395%E2%80%9399.7_rule)

Quote from: hungrynoob on December 05, 2018, 10:27:27 PM
Quote from: shosta on December 05, 2018, 10:25:42 PM
bitch ute .com

2ez

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPZHh11gNI4

It is you who has missed the intention of my post, not the other way around, although I have not missed the intention of yours.

The game has changed. Let's not discuss dates, lets discuss what has and is currently happened.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 05, 2018, 10:52:50 PM
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lets discuss what...is currently happened

Hillary and Obama still roam free, so clearly nothing has happened.
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Post by: hungrynoob on December 05, 2018, 10:53:32 PM
Quote from: Broseidon on December 05, 2018, 10:48:33 PM
Imagine being part of a millenarian pseudo-religious internet cult where your messiah is a pathologically-lying elderly failed businessman with personality disorder and a prion disease :mueller

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2MgTd3LgB0

Theres no cult, only thinking for yourself.
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Post by: hungrynoob on December 05, 2018, 10:55:06 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 05, 2018, 10:52:50 PM
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lets discuss what...is currently happened

Hillary and Obama still roam free, so clearly nothing has happened.

Did you watch the Funeral today?  :D
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 05, 2018, 10:56:28 PM
Quote from: hungrynoob on December 05, 2018, 10:55:06 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 05, 2018, 10:52:50 PM
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lets discuss what...is currently happened

Hillary and Obama still roam free, so clearly nothing has happened.

Did you watch the Funeral today?  :D

Yeah, they were in the same room with Trump and he didn't even arrest them or anything.
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Post by: hungrynoob on December 05, 2018, 10:59:23 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 05, 2018, 10:56:28 PM
Quote from: hungrynoob on December 05, 2018, 10:55:06 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 05, 2018, 10:52:50 PM
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lets discuss what...is currently happened

Hillary and Obama still roam free, so clearly nothing has happened.

Did you watch the Funeral today?  :D

Yeah, they were in the same room with Trump and he didn't even arrest them or anything.

The mind of an absolutist is blind to so much.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 06, 2018, 01:19:01 AM
so googling "declas" just returns a hotel IN BRAZIL (:thinking) but from the context (i know, dangerous in this line of work) i'm going to assume it means declassification

as in, with H.W. dead there will be a bunch of things finally declassified

that's unfortunately not how declassification works, it's typically so many decades after their death and that's assuming the government and the private paper owners choose to unseal them, which they generally do not unless the National Security Archive or someone goes after them

the federal government claims essential and pertinent national security information is contained in records from World War II still for example
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Post by: shosta on December 06, 2018, 01:27:37 AM
that's not considering the items that HW made classified with ritual magic. those items will be declassified as soon as the black magic dissipates from HW's corpse. You can see the effects of that mystic radiation wrinkling the flag over his coffin.

I learned this from Neil Degrasse Tyson.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 06, 2018, 01:49:35 AM
Um, nothing Black Science Man said counts anymore now that he's been revealed as Bill Cosmos. Standard rules of peer review.
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Post by: Mandark on December 06, 2018, 02:15:24 AM
declas = The declassification by Trump of the FISA application for Papadopoulos, which will show the Obama admin and its deep state allies were illegally using false pretenses to spy on Trump.

It's one of the overlaps between Qanon and more standard GOP stuff, and something a lot of Q followers anticipate as a sort of dam-breaking moment when everything becomes concrete and public.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 06, 2018, 02:22:39 AM
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/france-paris-yellow-jackets-facebook
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The "Yellow Jackets" Riots In France Are What Happens When Facebook Gets Involved With Local News

The Yellow Jackets movement is what happens when you point Facebook's traffic hose at France's small towns. The question now is: How do you turn it off?
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But what’s happening right now in France isn’t happening in a vacuum. The Yellow Jackets movement — named for the protesters’ brightly colored safety vests — is a beast born almost entirely from Facebook. And it’s only getting more popular. Recent polls indicate the majority of France now supports the protesters. The Yellow Jackets communicate almost entirely on small, decentralized Facebook pages. They coordinate via memes and viral videos. Whatever gets shared the most becomes part of their platform.

Due to the way algorithm changes made earlier this year interacted with the fierce devotion in France to local and regional identity, the country is now facing some of the worst riots in many years — and in Paris, the worst in half a century.
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So, Facebook tweaked its algorithm and local Anger Groups spread across French Facebook at a shocking speed. The groups were able to organize a dozen or so decent-sized protests last winter. French départements are numbered, so between January and February, demonstrations with names like “Anger 24” or “Anger 87” would pop up, shut down roads, and protest things like labor law reforms, reducing the speed limits on busy roads, or proposed local vaccination plans. France’s anti-vax movement is particularly nasty at the moment and Anger Groups were, and still are, a hotbed of anti-vax misinformation.

Département numbers are displayed on car license plates — they play a significant role in the identity of most French people, as well as how they use Facebook. When French Facebook users, especially older ones, want to share something to their local community, they will often write “ptg,” which is short for “sharing,” followed by the two- or three-digit number of their département.

By the spring, the protest movement had more or less died down. But on May 29, a 32-year-old woman from the Paris suburb of Seine-et-Marne named Priscillia Ludosky went on Change.org and created a petition titled “Pour une Baisse des Prix du Carburant ŕ la Pompe!” or “For a drop in the fuel prices at the pump!” BuzzFeed News has reached out to Ludosky for comment.

Ludosky, an entrepreneur who currently sells organic cosmetics and aromatherapy advice online, told Le Parisien that she started the petition after she googled fuel taxes and was scandalized at how high they are. Her petition didn’t immediately go viral, though. She received only a few hundred signatures at first.
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The radio segment was then written up by a small local news page for Seine-et-Marne and shared to a Seine-et-Marne Facebook page with about 50,000 subscribers. That appears to be when all hell broke loose. The article got about 500 shares off the local Facebook page and a lot of local engagement.

The same day that Ludosky went on the radio, a second petition against fuel taxes was posted to the French-language crowdsourcing site MesOpinions, titled “Pour un prix du carburant plafonné ŕ 1€ le litre” or “For a fuel price capped at 1 euro per liter.” The MesOpinions petition went viral fast. According to an analysis by social media intelligence tool BuzzSumo, this one received 160,000 engagements off the MesOpinions Facebook page alone.

From the Facebook Comments on the article:
Quote
Courtney Greco

Facebook needs moderators to deal with this. I love social media but Facebook and Twitter are toxic.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 06, 2018, 02:22:59 AM
"popular YouTube content creator Jean-Paul Marat"
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Post by: VomKriege on December 06, 2018, 03:15:42 AM
"Oh no Facebook  :omg " really is a popular theme on all languages when talking about yellow vests huh.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 06, 2018, 03:27:43 AM
It's the one common denominator in the forces attacking democracy: GamerGate, Korean Air Lines Flight 007, Jonestown, the Russian ads that convinced Hillary voters to not vote or vote for Trump, Brexit, The Thirty Years War, etc.

Facebook delenda est
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Post by: VomKriege on December 06, 2018, 04:31:29 AM
And to comment on Nintex remarks, yes there is some conspitard types in the movement ("UN is the NWO and wants to enforce mandatory immigration") but it comes with the territory for an amorphous movement like this.

Students have started actions on their own and some are considering joint actions.

The will to protest took a two year hiatus but wasn't as broken as thought.
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Post by: jorma on December 06, 2018, 04:45:22 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on December 06, 2018, 03:15:42 AM
"Oh no Facebook  :omg " really is a popular theme on all languages when talking about yellow vests huh.

Facebook used to be heroes when the protests were organized in countries we don't care much about, like Egypt.

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Post by: Nintex on December 06, 2018, 05:06:43 AM
Quote from: jorma on December 06, 2018, 04:45:22 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on December 06, 2018, 03:15:42 AM
"Oh no Facebook  :omg " really is a popular theme on all languages when talking about yellow vests huh.

Facebook used to be heroes when the protests were organized in countries we don't care much about, like Egypt.
The arab spring was 90% bread and fuel protests. Plus groups like the Muslim brotherhood.

The press mixed up the methods to organize with the cause.
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Post by: VomKriege on December 06, 2018, 05:38:55 AM
Quote from: Nintex on December 06, 2018, 05:06:43 AM
Quote from: jorma on December 06, 2018, 04:45:22 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on December 06, 2018, 03:15:42 AM
"Oh no Facebook  :omg " really is a popular theme on all languages when talking about yellow vests huh.

Facebook used to be heroes when the protests were organized in countries we don't care much about, like Egypt.
The arab spring was 90% bread and fuel protests. Plus groups like the Muslim brotherhood.

The press mixed up the methods to organize with the cause.

Yellow vests were largely triggered by fuel taxes and worries about the cost of living, so...
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Post by: jorma on December 06, 2018, 07:22:18 AM
Quote from: Nintex on December 06, 2018, 05:06:43 AM
Quote from: jorma on December 06, 2018, 04:45:22 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on December 06, 2018, 03:15:42 AM
"Oh no Facebook  :omg " really is a popular theme on all languages when talking about yellow vests huh.

Facebook used to be heroes when the protests were organized in countries we don't care much about, like Egypt.
The arab spring was 90% bread and fuel protests. Plus groups like the Muslim brotherhood.

The press mixed up the methods to organize with the cause.
And only Mubarak thought that "facebook needs moderators to deal with this" at the time.

and are you suggesting that the yellow wests are fighting for the nobel cause of facebooking? i don't really get your objection
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Post by: Nintex on December 06, 2018, 02:02:25 PM
I'm saying that the western media focused too much on Facebook during the uprising because that is what they could see.
They didn't write about what had really happened in Egypt (a Muslim brotherhood coup) until much later. The Google guys organizing protests were just the tip of a much bigger iceberg.

Facebook was merely used to organize but if there was no Facebook they would've found other means to do so.
Just look at how easy the military disposed of Mursi without Facebook and still with popular support once he had told them to prepare to fight in Syria.

The media again writes that all these French protests were started because of Facebook. But this fire has been smoldering all over Europe for a while.
The yellow vest is more important as the symbol (these are mostly 'regular' working/middle class people).
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Post by: shosta on December 06, 2018, 03:02:01 PM
*in mandark's voice* Can you show us an article like that? One that says Facebook literally caused the uprising in Egypt, neglecting to mention underlying grievances. Most articles I remember said that social media was critical for organizing.
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Post by: shosta on December 06, 2018, 03:07:18 PM
Quote from: Nintex on December 06, 2018, 02:02:25 PM
Just look at how easy the military disposed of Mursi without Facebook
yeah, a military can do things effectively because there is a chain of command, the notable thing about social media is the ability to organize leaderless mass movements. popular support is different from popular action.
Quote from: Nintex on December 06, 2018, 02:02:25 PM
But this fire has been smoldering all over Europe for a while.
Taking the yellow vest movement which is france specific and about taxes, and tying it to the "fire smoldering all over Europe", which I read as "anti-EU nationalism." Classic Nintex.

how are you for real?
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Post by: Nintex on December 06, 2018, 03:12:46 PM
Well during the uprising stuff like this was written
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/19/books/review/how-an-egyptian-revolution-began-on-facebook.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/19/books/review/how-an-egyptian-revolution-began-on-facebook.html)

And Zuckerberg had to actually come out and say that FB wasn't responsible
https://www.jpost.com/International/Facebook-didnt-cause-Arab-Spring-says-Zuckerberg (https://www.jpost.com/International/Facebook-didnt-cause-Arab-Spring-says-Zuckerberg)

Then years later the narrative changed:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/25/egypt-5-years-on-was-it-ever-a-social-media-revolution (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/25/egypt-5-years-on-was-it-ever-a-social-media-revolution)

Quote from: shosta on December 06, 2018, 03:07:18 PM
Quote from: Nintex on December 06, 2018, 02:02:25 PM
Just look at how easy the military disposed of Mursi without Facebook
yeah, a military can do things effectively because there is a chain of command, the notable thing about social media is the ability to organize leaderless mass movements. popular support is different from popular action.
Quote from: Nintex on December 06, 2018, 02:02:25 PM
But this fire has been smoldering all over Europe for a while.
Taking the yellow vest movement which is france specific and about taxes, and tying it to the "fire smoldering all over Europe", which I read as "anti-EU nationalism." Classic Nintex.

how are you for real?
Well there's Yellow Vests in France, the Netherlands and Belgium but the Yellow Vests are just another extension of the London riots, Brexit, Salvini, Afd zeitgeist.

However it doesn't seem to be just the right or the left this time but fairly bipartisan. Both the far left and far right in France are rising in the polls while the center that Macron represents collapses.
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Post by: shosta on December 06, 2018, 03:26:12 PM
Quote from: Nintex on December 06, 2018, 05:06:43 AM
The press mixed up the methods to organize with the cause.
Quote from: shosta on December 06, 2018, 03:02:01 PM
Can you show us an article like that? One that says Facebook literally caused the uprising in Egypt, neglecting to mention underlying grievances.
Quote from: Nintex on December 06, 2018, 03:12:46 PM
Well during the uprising stuff like this was written
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/19/books/review/how-an-egyptian-revolution-began-on-facebook.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/19/books/review/how-an-egyptian-revolution-began-on-facebook.html)
Quote from: NYT
Technology, of course, is not a panacea. Facebook does not a revolution make. In Egypt’s case, it was simply a place for venting the outrage resulting from years of repression, economic instability and individual frustration.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/l4Ki2obCyAQS5WhFe/giphy.gif)
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Post by: Broseidon on December 06, 2018, 05:37:52 PM
for-real deep state military that had basically enforced a dictatorship upon Egypt for half a century staging a coup against the one leader who wasn't one of theirs after a couple years to put themselves more openly back in charge somehow proves a point about social media's role in helping organise protests in nintex's fevered mind
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 06, 2018, 06:26:51 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/dec/05/facebook-documents-uk-parliament-key-facts?CMP=fb_a-technology_b-gdntech

So a big nothing,
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Post by: zepblackstar on December 06, 2018, 07:46:39 PM
Shit is about to go down!


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-protests-security/france-to-deploy-89000-security-personnel-ahead-of-saturday-protests-idUSKBN1O52BS?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=twitter
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PARIS (Reuters) - French Prime Minister Edouard Philippe said 89,000 members of the security forces would be deployed nationwide on Saturday, including 8,000 in Paris, where armored vehicles will also be out on the streets.

“We are facing people who are not here to protest, but to smash and we want to have the means to not give them a free rein,” Philippe told TF1 television’s evening news program on Thursday, revising an earlier figure of 65,000 forces.
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Post by: VomKriege on December 07, 2018, 02:33:39 AM
Quote from: Nintex on December 02, 2018, 06:23:13 PM
https://twitter.com/BreakingNLive/status/1069340718844522496 (https://twitter.com/BreakingNLive/status/1069340718844522496)

Well there was some discussion on radio about that second clip that went viral and what the video omits is the yellow vest with a loudspeaker explaining that riot police agreed to remove helmets if the protestors accepted to disperse right afterwards. Basically they were doing their jobs and not displaying "solidarity".

If only you hadn't been fooled by the impeccable credentials of "BNL Breaking News".

Like seriously, there's no need to sensationalise the whole thing further than it is.
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Post by: VomKriege on December 07, 2018, 03:26:16 AM
Otherwise the French government has started to try to make it rain. Basically a numbers of the offending tax reforms are delayed to be dropped if no consensus is reached. They're brainstorming with companies a plan for an optional bonus plan of 1000 euros to employees (tax + charge free). Plus a number of other signals, none very successful. Macron allegedly ruled out in the last cabinet meeting to reinstate the former wealth tax he stripped down a few months back.

All the big ticket mediations fell through last week because the somewhat arbitrary chosen yellow vests leaders received death threats from within the movement if they met with the Prime Minister. Not that was any guarantee they could speak on behalf of their movement or make them stand down anyway.

700 arrests were made yesterday among students as hundreds of colleges were blocked.

A lot of football games have been rescheduled and a number of shops, museums and colleges will be closed in Paris tomorrow, mostly through the northwest quarter around the Champs.

Not sure how things will evolve into but I think the back of that Cabinet (and to some extent of Macron's mandate) is broken. A lot of big reforms or big heads will have to roll to convince people things are changing. Biggest worry is that green policies will be put back to the back burner again : one justification for the fuel tax was to desincentivise people out of diesel, which France has a recent history of being very lenient towards in order to placate working classes.

Last Saturday violence shocked people but didn't deter the diffuse sympathy for their demands, as 77% of polled citizens still think they're "justified" though 59% are "worried".
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Post by: Nintex on December 07, 2018, 01:45:33 PM
What are the chances that Macron decides that he should resign?
I mean, the protests are more and more aimed at him personally.
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Post by: VomKriege on December 07, 2018, 02:27:40 PM
Quote from: Nintex on December 07, 2018, 01:45:33 PM
What are the chances that Macron decides that he should resign?
I mean, the protests are more and more aimed at him personally.

Unlikely. Things would have to get much worse and if so there surely would be a popular counterreaction, not unlike how a massive Gaullist protest closed the 1968 events. Macron probably don't elicit the same loyalty as De Gaulle but with no credible moderate alternative he's de facto the last embodiment of liberal democracy before the far right and left and the appetite for that is not there yet.

Before going to such extremes, he can change the cabinet (though the backbench is pretty poor) or dissolve the Assembly for a snap election. But he may just keep everything in place and just go with a much neutered policy from now on.
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Post by: Nintex on December 07, 2018, 06:05:39 PM
4chan has a thread on a leaked document that describes the locations, transport routes and plans of the Paris police and security forces.
Quote from: VomKriege on December 07, 2018, 02:27:40 PM
Quote from: Nintex on December 07, 2018, 01:45:33 PM
What are the chances that Macron decides that he should resign?
I mean, the protests are more and more aimed at him personally.

Unlikely. Things would have to get much worse and if so there surely would be a popular counterreaction, not unlike how a massive Gaullist protest closed the 1968 events. Macron probably don't elicit the same loyalty as De Gaulle but with no credible moderate alternative he's de facto the last embodiment of liberal democracy before the far right and left and the appetite for that is not there yet.

Before going to such extremes, he can change the cabinet (though the backbench is pretty poor) or dissolve the Assembly for a snap election. But he may just keep everything in place and just go with a much neutered policy from now on.
That's the weird thing. There's no support for Macron. Even the Middle East despots manage to get some of their supporters out there in the streets to counter protest.
Maybe it helps if he shuffles the cabinet and he announces he's not up for re-election. That worked for Hollande I think.
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Post by: VomKriege on December 08, 2018, 04:40:48 AM
It's not like you could show support for him in a proactive manner :yeshrug he already have thousands of dark blue subordinates to support him.
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Post by: Raist on December 08, 2018, 06:15:08 AM
Having lived on both sides of the channel, the culture difference is pretty damn amusing to me.


"We're going to gut the NHS. And education. And law enforcement."

"... OK" *goes back to sipping a cuppa*



"We're going to significantly raise taxes on fuel"

*Paris burns*
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Post by: Nintex on December 08, 2018, 06:23:09 AM
https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1071351432757067776 (https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1071351432757067776)
 :doge

Quote from: VomKriege on December 08, 2018, 04:40:48 AM
It's not like you could show support for him in a proactive manner :yeshrug he already have thousands of dark blue subordinates to support him.
There are ways like writing an op-ed in his defense and publishing it internationally in say the WSJ.
But none of that.
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Post by: VomKriege on December 08, 2018, 06:25:18 AM
Ah yes the WSJ, the most efficient outreach to French middle classes...
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Post by: Nintex on December 08, 2018, 06:31:14 AM
When Paul Manafort, BLM, Boogie and Bernie Sanders write your manifest.
https://twitter.com/spignal/status/1071004810214891520 (https://twitter.com/spignal/status/1071004810214891520)

Our PM decided to troll the movement on the public broadcast

https://twitter.com/HansAckerNY/status/1071099215680598017 (https://twitter.com/HansAckerNY/status/1071099215680598017)

"Nice jacket people, good quality  :teehee"

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Post by: VomKriege on December 08, 2018, 01:38:12 PM
Why the quotes on unofficial ? :confused
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Post by: VomKriege on December 08, 2018, 01:43:25 PM
:noooo

https://twitter.com/LePoint/status/1071384478830997504
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Post by: Nintex on December 08, 2018, 02:04:50 PM
I think Macron wins this round. In Paris some cars went up in flames as usual but that's about it.
No further escalation despite some folks looking to stir shit up. A government that allows the public to protest and doesn't bring down the hammer but manages to keep order is hard to unseat.
The PM has called for a dialogue. I think it'll be hard for the yellow vests to again say they don't want to talk.

In other ciities protests also errupted but every camera is fixated on Paris.
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Post by: shosta on December 08, 2018, 02:24:35 PM
hoping these protests get to 2006 levels
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Post by: benjipwns on December 08, 2018, 10:53:11 PM
Quote from: Raist on December 08, 2018, 06:15:08 AM
Having lived on both sides of the channel, the culture difference is pretty damn amusing to me.


"We're going to gut the NHS. And education. And law enforcement."

"... OK" *goes back to sipping a cuppa*



"We're going to significantly raise taxes on fuel"

*Paris burns*
"We're going to cut the fuel taxes"

*Paris burns*
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Post by: VomKriege on December 09, 2018, 06:10:44 AM
Quote from: Nintex on December 08, 2018, 02:04:50 PM
I think Macron wins this round. In Paris some cars went up in flames as usual but that's about it.
No further escalation despite some folks looking to stir shit up. A government that allows the public to protest and doesn't bring down the hammer but manages to keep order is hard to unseat.
The PM has called for a dialogue. I think it'll be hard for the yellow vests to again say they don't want to talk.

In other ciities protests also errupted but every camera is fixated on Paris.

:what

I'm not sure you get that there's no leaders, no spokesperson and no representative to "say anything" on behalf of the "movement". Every pseudo prominent yellow vest figure head get quickly threatened back into the fold by more radical elements. "Free yellow vests" were supposed to meet the Prime Minister two days ago : it happened and absolutely nothing of consequence came of it and absolutely no one talked about it yesterday.

Macron is supposed to talk tomorrow or Tuesday and he's the only one who can do anything about it. What it will take is pretty hazy and unclear because of how shapeless the movement is.

The government only won in the sense that public order didn't break down horribly, and that's after a week of lowering the bar through insane fear mongering ("some people will come to Paris to KILL this Saturday !"), hundreds of preemptive arrests, APCs and not allowing an actual mass gathering for the protest (police in Paris kept pushing back groups all around to keep it in small parcels). Police unions are basically going to the press saying that the current level of readiness cannot be prolonged too long (basically every cop was called back to duty yesterday) and that a political solution needs to be found because they're worried they can't handle a fifth week at this rate.
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Post by: VomKriege on December 09, 2018, 06:44:38 AM
Paris town hall seems to think that that the material damages were bigger this week than last Saturday, though less spectacular... Shops are on lockdown all over major cities every Saturday three weeks from Christmas. Tourism, which is the biggest economic sector, may suffer.

And I mean... Macron already lost. The only question now is how much. All the new fuel taxes have, for all intents and purposes, been binned. His national and international credibility has been severely impacted. He may have to walk back on some of his major policy reforms from last two years and will have to walk on eggshells from now on.
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Post by: Nintex on December 09, 2018, 06:45:59 AM
I do think that on the short term time is on his side. With the holidays coming up it will be hard to keep up the momentum of the protests.

Still it is shocking to hear the personal stories of the protestors. Some are single moms with 3 children, not able to sustain their families.
It seems that most of all people are fearful of their country and childrens' future and what it would mean for them if the current course is kept.
Macron should try to appeal to the moderates with programs to lift people out of poverty and aid the middle classes.

However then Brussels will come knocking asking him to keep his spending in check.  :doge
In the mean time the Belgium government has pretty much collapsed over the Marrakesh pact.
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Post by: VomKriege on December 09, 2018, 10:42:48 AM
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/12/priyanka-chopra-nick-jonas/577504/

Wasn't aware of the wedding but I found the article interesting.
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Post by: kingv on December 09, 2018, 10:57:52 AM
Quote from: Nintex on December 09, 2018, 06:45:59 AM
I do think that on the short term time is on his side. With the holidays coming up it will be hard to keep up the momentum of the protests.

Still it is shocking to hear the personal stories of the protestors. Some are single moms with 3 children, not able to sustain their families.
It seems that most of all people are fearful of their country and childrens' future and what it would mean for them if the current course is kept.
Macron should try to appeal to the moderates with programs to lift people out of poverty and aid the middle classes.

However then Brussels will come knocking asking him to keep his spending in check.  :doge
In the mean time the Belgium government has pretty much collapsed over the Marrakesh pact.

People seem to forget not have ever realized that Macron was always about as popular in France as Trunp is in the US. France wised up and chose him over Marine Le Pen, but his unpopularity is what allowed her to run competitively in the first place.  Very reminiscent of Trump/Hillary, in a way.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 09, 2018, 12:15:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tjp5OmoDYQM&feature=youtu.be
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Post by: kingv on December 09, 2018, 03:40:47 PM
I had forgotten about the blue passports.

Clearly brexit must happen.
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Post by: shosta on December 09, 2018, 03:51:55 PM
Vom Kriege discovering Nintex :lawd
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Post by: Raist on December 09, 2018, 04:46:16 PM
Norwegian ice cold burn

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1071078003780870146
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Post by: curly on December 10, 2018, 01:30:32 AM
https://twitter.com/mikofLohr/status/1071867429205229570?
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Post by: benjipwns on December 10, 2018, 02:02:33 AM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-09/pro-russia-social-media-aims-at-macron-as-yellow-vests-rage
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France opened a probe into possible Russian interference behind the country’s Yellow Vest protests, after reports that social-media accounts linked to Moscow have increasingly targeted the movement.

According to the Alliance for Securing Democracy, about 600 Twitter accounts known to promote Kremlin views have begun focusing on France, boosting their use of the hashtag #giletsjaunes, the French name for the Yellow Vest movement. French security services are looking at the situation, Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said Sunday in a radio interview with RTL.
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Much of the tweeted material comes from Russian state media outlets including the Sputnik news website, the RT television network, and Ruptly, a German-based video news agency that belongs to RT. These outlets are covering the French crisis closely; RT has said that 12 of its journalists have been injured in the protests, far more than any other news organization.

Sputnik and RT have reported in recent days that most French police no longer support Macron and are siding with the protesters. Their sources: representatives of two small police unions that together won less than 4 percent of votes in nationwide union elections this month. Sputnik and RT also have shown a video – widely shared on French social media -- of police in the southwestern town of Pau removing their helmets in what was described as a sign of solidarity with protesters. Local police and journalists on the scene said the description was untrue. They said some officers had briefly removed their helmets to talk with protesters before putting them back on.
:putin
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Post by: VomKriege on December 10, 2018, 04:02:37 AM
Macron will broadcast tonight but if we're to believe ministers there will be no increase in the minimum wage ("it destroys jobs" ahem...) which is the major thing that could be decided immediately and qualify as "concrete" to help with the cost of life. They're still working on an exceptional bonus, various subsidies at companies level (like covering more transport costs) and further detaxing overtime.

Oh well...
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 10, 2018, 10:44:41 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46509288
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 10, 2018, 12:24:09 PM
May should quit and let these hardcore brexiters clean up their own shit
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Post by: Nintex on December 10, 2018, 01:21:19 PM
What happened to : "This is the best deal, there's this deal or no deal"

Ah well, now the tories have some time to put together a Leadership Challenge  :teehee
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Post by: kingv on December 10, 2018, 01:29:48 PM
Isn’t the EU just going to let them leave with no deal if they don’t take this one? What’s the EU incentive to negotiate?

I suspect they might accept a request to withdraw their notification of push came to shove, but they don’t have a ton of reason to do much more than that.
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Post by: Nintex on December 10, 2018, 01:33:41 PM
https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1072190546863669248 (https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1072190546863669248)

EU is not in the mood to renegotiate.

Letters of no-confidence are being counted....  :doge

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1072185248199442437 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1072185248199442437)

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1072167846405382145 (https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1072167846405382145)

Everyone agrees for once :lol
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Post by: Nintex on December 10, 2018, 02:49:27 PM
Our useless PM is quicly becoming the kingmaker in Europe
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1072214310355697664 (https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1072214310355697664)
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Post by: VomKriege on December 10, 2018, 02:54:35 PM
Macron spoke and it's pretty meager :

The salary of "people at the minimum wage" will increase 100 euros (before tax) starting January 2019. The phrasing is ambiguous but it's apparently not a rise in the minimum wage itself (it will not cost a thing to companies he said) but something more indirect, probably piling up all the supposed increases that were planned over the complete mandate.

The potential bonus I mentioned upthread for the end of year.

Overtime hours will be tax free and social contributions free. Sarkozy made it so back then, Hollande scrapped it.

The planned CSG tax hike for 2019 on pensions will be withheld (on pensions below 2000e).

That's it folks. Otherwise a lot of fluff ("we're in a state of social and economic emergency"  :ussrcry ) and trying to look more humble.

:yeshrug
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Post by: Mandark on December 10, 2018, 03:02:39 PM
https://twitter.com/toof2018/status/1071660910157144064
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Post by: Raist on December 10, 2018, 03:07:42 PM
I've seen that vid ages ago. Can't remember what the actual context was.
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Post by: Raist on December 10, 2018, 03:14:00 PM
Yep, there it is. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3974888/shocking-moment-randy-couple-caught-having-sex-on-a-balcony-as-g20-riots-explode-below-them/
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Post by: Nintex on December 10, 2018, 03:24:15 PM
Wow Mandark spreading fake Russian news again.

Yikes
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 10, 2018, 03:24:25 PM
France, Germany, or a Buffalo Bills tailgate party?
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Post by: Nintex on December 10, 2018, 05:28:55 PM
https://twitter.com/danwnews/status/1072217256619360257 (https://twitter.com/danwnews/status/1072217256619360257)

Excuse me sir who bungled it he first time.... what should we do now?  :lol
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Post by: Nintex on December 10, 2018, 06:19:31 PM
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1072250448101498880 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1072250448101498880)

https://twitter.com/MonarchyUK/status/1072234893227237376 (https://twitter.com/MonarchyUK/status/1072234893227237376)

Emergency debate tommorow. But the house of commons almost lost its power and legitimacy as an MP tried to remove the ceremonial Mace.

(which apparently gives this government body its authority)  :lol


This whole system is just incredible
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The remaining two days of a planned five-day debate on May’s proposals will be postponed, along with votes on her agreement with Brussels, to a date yet to be fixed.

This was done by a parliamentary procedure which does not require approval from MPs - despite Speaker John Bercow saying it would be “discourteous” to do so. In fact, all it required is a government enforcer - known as the whip - to shout “tomorrow”.
:lol
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 10, 2018, 06:30:30 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErlnkBBxH58
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 10, 2018, 08:16:52 PM
Virgin Congress vs. Chad Parliament
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Post by: benjipwns on December 10, 2018, 09:27:27 PM
Quote from: Nintex on December 10, 2018, 06:19:31 PM
But the house of commons almost lost its power and legitimacy as an MP tried to remove the ceremonial Mace.

(which apparently gives this government body its authority)  :lol
Most all British descended legislatures have a mace that signifies the literal earthly authority. Canada, Australia, Ireland, etc. and even an escapee like the United States (and thus the Philippines) has a version of it. (For the House, the power of the Senate is from the States.)

Picking up the mace has been a relatively common protest in the UK House of Commons. Funny enough the mace has actually been a symbolic thing far far longer than it was a literal thing the King or Speaker or whoever used. IIRC, the oldest use of the mace was post-Magna Carta, but less than a century or so later it was already purely symbolic. I believe that's when it started growing in size and becoming silly looking, the U.S. House's is even crazier and stands in a block of marble rather than lying on a table.

France at one time also used a mace, but since its state has not been historically continued, it was dropped at some point. As most of the mainland legislatures take after French and German customs rather than British and many of the oldest are just entering their second century, such old timey traditions are limited. The States-General, for example, was reconstructed entirely post both the American and French Revolutions, not to mention the refounding of the Kingdom. The British Parliament's traditions predate that by five hundred years or so. Which is one reason it and its spin-offs have so many "outdated" things like voting by going through doors or physically standing in a location.

Quote from: Nintex on December 10, 2018, 06:19:31 PM
This whole system is just incredible
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The remaining two days of a planned five-day debate on May’s proposals will be postponed, along with votes on her agreement with Brussels, to a date yet to be fixed.

This was done by a parliamentary procedure which does not require approval from MPs - despite Speaker John Bercow saying it would be “discourteous” to do so. In fact, all it required is a government enforcer - known as the whip - to shout “tomorrow”.
:lol
The British government has absolute power and authority within Parliament until it loses the confidence of the House. Procedure is almost entirely within its purview of powers if it chooses (it usually defers to the Speaker) but on scheduling matters like this the assumption of the confidence of the House means that it is presumed that a vote would come out the same as the government's order.

To use Congress again, the Speaker and Majority Leader in the House and Senate have equally comparable power to dismiss things like that in terms of controlling the schedule. Theoretically, yes, the remainder of the body could challenge, but it probably would mean the resignation of the Speaker/Leader as they clearly no longer control their caucus let alone the body. In the UK the same thing would signify loss of confidence and thus the collapse of the government.

Where there's a difference is in the power of the whip, in most other legislatures it is presumed to vote as your party whip demands unless stated otherwise, in the U.S. Congress, especially the Senate, this has less tradition (and they have less power) so "conscience votes" are literally all the votes. Generally, Republicans and Democrats will still vote procedure matters with party leadership, if only to vote against the bill itself. (ex: John Kerry's "I actually did vote for the $87 billion, before I voted against it.")
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Post by: benjipwns on December 10, 2018, 09:29:20 PM
Re: going through doors, this can still be called for in most German legislatures; outside a German Landtag:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/Landtag-duesseldorf-07112014-10.JPG/1280px-Landtag-duesseldorf-07112014-10.JPG)

I assume "Ja" gets entered a lot more based on the discoloration on the other two doors.
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Post by: Nintex on December 11, 2018, 01:46:56 PM
https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/1072549842721886208 (https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/1072549842721886208)
I believe 48 letters are needed to call for a leadership challenge.
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Post by: VomKriege on December 11, 2018, 02:18:51 PM
Macron secured with banks that no banking fees will increase next year.

The needle has moved a bit but almost half the sample in the most recent poll believe the movement should carry forward.
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Post by: Dickie Dee on December 11, 2018, 03:24:02 PM
Quote from: Philip Cardgage on December 11, 2018, 02:27:01 PM
Why do you guys feels Native Americans and Indigenous people in general are ignored in social justice crusades?

Data shows Native American men are killed by police more often than even African American men, but its never discussed.

http://www.cjcj.org/news/8113 (http://www.cjcj.org/news/8113)

Or the fact that native women go missing in Canada at alarming rates and... no one outside their communities do anything about it?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/indigenous-missing-women-police-data-1.4449073 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/indigenous-missing-women-police-data-1.4449073)

Just curious. I've always wondered it myself but never really put any effort in to understanding it. Been looking in to getting some books that talk about it.

Missing native women is very much big issue in Canada. Why would you say it isn't?
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Post by: Nintex on December 11, 2018, 05:31:19 PM
This chart is really great to catch up on Brexit

https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1072618529986412544 (https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1072618529986412544)
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Post by: BIONIC on December 12, 2018, 02:20:10 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on December 10, 2018, 09:29:20 PM
Re: going through doors, this can still be called for in most German legislatures; outside a German Landtag:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/Landtag-duesseldorf-07112014-10.JPG/1280px-Landtag-duesseldorf-07112014-10.JPG)

I assume "Ja" gets entered a lot more based on the discoloration on the other two doors.

What does Ja Rule think of the German immigration crisis?
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 12, 2018, 03:29:08 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46535739
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Post by: Raist on December 12, 2018, 03:37:31 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_Gcsgd1OCg


Hasn't happened yet, that's a live feed.
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Post by: Raist on December 12, 2018, 03:53:46 AM
Get on with it
Take back control
Will of the people

Blablabla
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Post by: Raist on December 12, 2018, 03:03:32 PM
https://news.yahoo.com/eu-parliament-approves-huge-japan-trade-deal-134638536--finance.html


:umad UK :umad
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Post by: shosta on December 12, 2018, 03:11:56 PM
Quote from: Raist on December 12, 2018, 03:03:32 PM
:umad
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But, ironically, some EU leaders see the wide-ranging deal they have agreed with far-off Japan as a possible model for future commercial relations with the United Kingdom, once it formally quits the bloc.

"Everything is uncertain with the United Kingdom for the moment, but one day or another we'll have to negotiate something," Malmstrom said, predicting a British deal would "go even further" than Japan's.
:lol The EU will never sign a free trade deal with the UK like this one. The whole point of playing hard ball like this is to keep the EU together and discourage separation. In the political interests of the EU, the UK has to be made an example of.
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Post by: Nintex on December 12, 2018, 03:21:01 PM
I'm half expecting Mario Draghi to step into a helicopter and fly around Europe dropping 100 euro bills to celebrate brexit once the UK crashes out of the EU 


According to a parliamentary law from 1856 if May loses the confidence vote Boris Johnson must set the H.M.S. Brexit on fire using the Mace and ram the burning ship straight into the ports of Belgium.
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Post by: Nintex on December 12, 2018, 03:51:22 PM
10 minutes until the results are out.

The Guardian opens with some great analysis.

https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1072955425891540992 (https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1072955425891540992)
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 12, 2018, 03:56:00 PM
If May gets ousted, does the Queen take over?
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Post by: Nintex on December 12, 2018, 04:01:13 PM
200 Yes
117 No

May wins!

Another week that could be spend on Brexit preparations wasted by the UK  :lol
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Post by: Nintex on December 12, 2018, 04:23:09 PM
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1072937596597211136 (https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1072937596597211136)

Prepare for more fuckery chaps
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Post by: Rufus on December 12, 2018, 06:01:46 PM
Quote from: Raist on December 12, 2018, 03:03:32 PM
https://news.yahoo.com/eu-parliament-approves-huge-japan-trade-deal-134638536--finance.html


:umad UK :umad
Dakimakura imports about to go through the roof.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 13, 2018, 12:38:46 AM
Quote from: BIONIC-ARRRMMM!! on December 12, 2018, 02:20:10 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on December 10, 2018, 09:29:20 PM
Re: going through doors, this can still be called for in most German legislatures; outside a German Landtag:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/Landtag-duesseldorf-07112014-10.JPG/1280px-Landtag-duesseldorf-07112014-10.JPG)

I assume "Ja" gets entered a lot more based on the discoloration on the other two doors.

What does Ja Rule think of the German immigration crisis?
Nintex, please don't respond to my posts with your fan fiction nonsense.
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Post by: BIONIC on December 13, 2018, 01:38:27 AM
Being compared to Nintex  :six: :trigger
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 13, 2018, 05:33:24 AM
So may wins a vote of no confidence and is off to Brussels to get conceasions... Did anyone tell her negotiations are over?

Does she expect a cookie for staying in power?
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Post by: Raist on December 13, 2018, 06:38:28 AM
She wants a pinky promise about the backstop. Or something.
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Post by: curly on December 13, 2018, 04:26:41 PM
Quote from: Philip Cardgage on December 11, 2018, 02:27:01 PM
Why do you guys feels Native Americans and Indigenous people in general are ignored in social justice crusades?

Data shows Native American men are killed by police more often than even African American men, but its never discussed.

http://www.cjcj.org/news/8113 (http://www.cjcj.org/news/8113)

Or the fact that native women go missing in Canada at alarming rates and... no one outside their communities do anything about it?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/indigenous-missing-women-police-data-1.4449073 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/indigenous-missing-women-police-data-1.4449073)

Just curious. I've always wondered it myself but never really put any effort in to understanding it. Been looking in to getting some books that talk about it.

I suspect it's a case of out of sight out of mind. Reservations are located in out of the way places so nobody notices how awful they are besides the marginalized people that live there.
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Post by: Nintex on December 14, 2018, 12:53:44 PM
https://twitter.com/juliamacfarlane/status/1073586355484143616 (https://twitter.com/juliamacfarlane/status/1073586355484143616)
The cinematography is on point.

Meanwhile
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1073607523045990401 (https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1073607523045990401)
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 14, 2018, 04:00:42 PM
https://twitter.com/PoliticoRyan/status/1073226614773829632
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Post by: VomKriege on December 15, 2018, 04:10:40 AM
It's a little early to call it yet but it would seem the yellow vest movement has lost some steam this Saturday at least as far as gatherings in major cities go, probably because of the political measures announced, the terror/gun attack in Strasbourg and entropy (a sixth person was killed last week in relation to blockades). "Only" 69k cops are on duty rather than the 89k of last week. To be fair, they manage to force the hand of the government a lot farther than any recent movement already.
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Post by: Sman on December 15, 2018, 06:06:15 AM
France can burn in winter, but as long as it remains calm in summer, it's a-ok.

Hopefully (but not likely), some of the chaos can scare away a good chunk of tourists all year round. Major attractions are difficult to access at peak season.

  :dice
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Post by: Nintex on December 15, 2018, 06:24:38 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on December 15, 2018, 04:10:40 AM
It's a little early to call it yet but it would seem the yellow vest movement has lost some steam this Saturday at least as far as gatherings in major cities go, probably because of the political measures announced, the terror/gun attack in Strasbourg and entropy (a sixth person was killed last week in relation to blockades). "Only" 69k cops are on duty rather than the 89k of last week. To be fair, they manage to force the hand of the government a lot farther than any recent movement already.
There's nothing those people can do. No one wants to end up politically like the UK with Brexit or even the US with Trump.
Despite opinion polls against it, the European states signed the controversial Marakech pact anyway which was one of the topics the protests were about.
And yes the terror scare is very convenient for the powers that be. The EU parliament now has anti tank walls and can be sealed off completely so they don't have to worry about the fallout of such an attack.

The only effect of the Yellow Vests will be that Le Pen wins a sweeping victory in the EU parliamentary elections. Which just means more seats for the Salvini, Le Pen, Wilders, Orban block but not enough to make any meaningful change.

Meanwhile Juncker just keeps drunk stumbling the EU towards its downfall
https://twitter.com/Ruptly/status/1073536458206658560 (https://twitter.com/Ruptly/status/1073536458206658560)
Something something #metoo

And the front runner candidates that will take his place (Timmermans or Verhofstadt) are even worse than this mumbling drunk.

The yellow vest protests end the same way the protests did in Greece or any other European protest. There is no alternative so they have to accept their masters in Brussels who write laws and policies no one wants.
But Macron is willing to sign anything as long as he gets a shared EU budget so France's debt becomes Germany's and they keep receiving the farming subsidies.

It's maddening but the wheels are in motion now. The Yellow Vests are about 10 or even 20 years too late to stop this train.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 16, 2018, 01:49:51 AM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/france-probes-any-moscow-role-in-yellow-vest-movement-11544826863
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Cybersecurity researchers disagree over whether Kremlin agents have been controlling some of the accounts used to whip up the yellow vests, promote Russian-backed coverage and encourage demonstrators on social networks.

Ryan Fox of New Knowledge, an Austin, Texas-based cybersecurity firm, said it identified several hundred accounts on Twitter and Facebook it says are very likely controlled by Moscow and are active in the movement.


...

Graham Brookie, director of the Digital Forensic Research Lab at the Atlantic Council in Washington, said his group hasn’t seen significant evidence of state-sponsored interference. “What we have seen is enthusiastic and opportunistic amplification of unrest across a familiar group of strange bedfellows that include pro-Kremlin influencers or media, far-right influencers, and outright conspiracy theorists,” Mr. Brookie said.

...

In addition to anonymous social-media accounts, pro-Russian activists in France are participating in the protests and helping to turn out demonstrators.

Their involvement reflects Mr. Putin’s role as an inspiration to far-right political activists across the West. The activists see in the yellow vests a grass-roots movement that could hobble or even topple Mr. Macron, a strong supporter of Western institutions such as NATO and the European Union that Mr. Putin views as a threat.

“Macron isn’t legitimate,” said Xavier Moreau, a Franco-Russian businessman who runs a pro-Kremlin website in Moscow. “He rose to power because of a media-legal coup d’état.”

Mr. Moreau, who voted for Mr. Fillon in the last election, donned a yellow vest last Saturday on the Champs Elysees and unfurled a flag of the Donetsk People’s Republic, the breakaway, Russian-backed province of eastern Ukraine. Mr. Moreau has repeatedly traveled to the so-called republic and served as an election observer there.

A photo of Mr. Moreau at the protest with the flag ricocheted across social media, alarming Ukraine’s State Security Service. Its chief posted a statement calling Mr. Moreau a Russian agent. “They have started to create unrest and violence in France behind the backs of peaceful protesters,” the service said.

...

Frank Buhler, a far-right French political activist and Russophile,has been an important online figure in the movement. A former member of Ms. Le Pen’s National Front who was expelled from the party for posting racist remarks on social media, Mr. Buhler posted one of the earlier videos calling for the first yellow vest protest on Nov. 17. His video has been viewed more than 4.5 million times.
:putin
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Post by: hungrynoob on December 16, 2018, 05:42:21 AM
enjoying the show?
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Post by: VomKriege on December 16, 2018, 06:45:50 AM
"A media-legal coup d’état" : you mean an election ?
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Post by: Momo on December 18, 2018, 02:24:46 PM
Just caught up with UK politics, Jesus Christ friends, what a bowl of cold lumpy custard 😂
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Post by: kingv on December 18, 2018, 02:43:48 PM
Quote from: hungrynoob on December 16, 2018, 05:42:21 AM
enjoying the show?

Flynn was definitely exonerated today. Q gets another notch I’m his belt!
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Post by: Raist on December 18, 2018, 02:48:21 PM
I don't know what you're talking about, everything is going just fine.


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The cabinet has decided to "ramp up" preparations for a no-deal Brexit amid uncertainty over the fate of Theresa May's proposed EU exit deal.

It allocated to ministries Ł2bn set aside in case the UK leaves on 29 March without MPs having accepted any deal.

Letters will be sent to 140,000 firms updating them on what they should do while 3,500 troops will be put on standby to help government departments.


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Jeremy Corbyn has tabled a motion of no confidence in Theresa May, after she said MPs would not vote on her Brexit deal until the week of 14 January.

The PM had delayed the vote from last week, admitting she was set to lose.

Labour leader Mr Corbyn said on Monday it was unacceptable for MPs to wait a month to vote, adding the PM had led the UK into a "national crisis".

But No 10 sources told the BBC the government would not make time for the no-confidence vote.


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Theresa May is now thought to be in favour of giving MPs a vote on alternatives to her plans when they debate her Brexit deal.

The prime minister was previously thought to be against this idea.

But sources have told the BBC she wants the "meaningful vote" planned for the third week of January to be a "moment of reckoning" for Brexit.
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Post by: Nintex on December 18, 2018, 06:54:46 PM
I like how the entire exercise of negotiations after May invoked Article 50 has basically been a very elaborate way to waste a humungous ammount of time doing absolutely nothing.
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Post by: kingv on December 18, 2018, 08:31:43 PM
The very idea of Brexit was dumb. They had a lot more leverage in the EU before they said they were leaving.

Once you go “oh, I’m leaving” then the EU has less reasons to deal. A smarter U.K. would have tried to negotiate from within.

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Post by: Transhuman on December 19, 2018, 06:40:51 AM
What do you think are the odds of Brexit riots happening on the scale of mouvement des gilets jaunes?
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Post by: Raist on December 19, 2018, 07:48:20 AM
Quote from: Transhuman on December 19, 2018, 06:40:51 AM
What do you think are the odds of Brexit riots happening on the scale of mouvement des gilets jaunes?


http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=41489.msg2539951#msg2539951


Quote from: A very smart dude
Having lived on both sides of the channel, the culture difference is pretty damn amusing to me.


"We're going to gut the NHS. And education. And law enforcement."

"... OK" *goes back to sipping a cuppa*



"We're going to significantly raise taxes on fuel"

*Paris burns*


So this, pretty much:

(https://img2.thejournal.ie/inline/1075294/original/?width=500&version=1075294)
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Post by: Raist on December 19, 2018, 01:42:50 PM
These folks are 3 months away from the most dramatic political, economical and social change in their country since the collapse of the empire, and this is what is going on in parliament:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-46619702/pmqs-does-corbyn-call-may-a-stupid-woman

That video is unbelievable. Bunch of kids fighting it off in the school yard :lol
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Post by: Tripon on December 19, 2018, 01:44:30 PM
Quote from: kingv on December 18, 2018, 08:31:43 PM
The very idea of Brexit was dumb. They had a lot more leverage in the EU before they said they were leaving.

Once you go “oh, I’m leaving” then the EU has less reasons to deal. A smarter U.K. would have tried to negotiate from within.

I mean, the whole thing started because David Cameron thought he could promise a vote on Brexit and then everyone would vote against it because it was a dumb idea.

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Post by: Nintex on December 19, 2018, 01:56:33 PM
Quote from: Raist on December 19, 2018, 01:42:50 PM
These folks are 3 months away from the most dramatic political, economical and social change in their country since the collapse of the empire, and this is what is going on in parliament:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-46619702/pmqs-does-corbyn-call-may-a-stupid-woman

That video is unbelievable. Bunch of kids fighting it off in the school yard :lol
And that's why some point in good time Merkel will call with a deal.

Because Germans absolutely hate this sort of nonsense.  :lol

Also the Belgium government collapsed as well.
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Post by: Raist on December 19, 2018, 02:09:42 PM
Quote from: Nintex on December 19, 2018, 01:56:33 PM
Quote from: Raist on December 19, 2018, 01:42:50 PM
These folks are 3 months away from the most dramatic political, economical and social change in their country since the collapse of the empire, and this is what is going on in parliament:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-46619702/pmqs-does-corbyn-call-may-a-stupid-woman

That video is unbelievable. Bunch of kids fighting it off in the school yard :lol
And that's why some point in good time Merkel will call with a deal.

Because Germans absolutely hate this sort of nonsense.  :lol

Yeah, just like the EU was immediately going to do anything ASAP after the vote / article 50 / anytime now cause the UK is soooooo important.  ::)

Quote
Also the Belgium government collapsed as well.

Also, water is wet.
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Post by: kingv on December 19, 2018, 02:35:23 PM
Quote from: Tripon on December 19, 2018, 01:44:30 PM
Quote from: kingv on December 18, 2018, 08:31:43 PM
The very idea of Brexit was dumb. They had a lot more leverage in the EU before they said they were leaving.

Once you go “oh, I’m leaving” then the EU has less reasons to deal. A smarter U.K. would have tried to negotiate from within.

I mean, the whole thing started because David Cameron thought he could promise a vote on Brexit and then everyone would vote against it because it was a dumb idea.

It just boggle my mind that someone in the last 3 years wasn’t just like “oh wait, let’s do a referendum again and make sure knowing what we know today” or “actually this whole idea I fuckingn dumb, we’re just going to not do it.”

It also boggles my mind that as many brits support brexit as they do. Like after 3 or 4 years where it’s increasinggly clear that leaving is a dumb fucking idea, the polling is still basically evenly split. As an American it makes me feel better about our politics. At least support for Trump hovers around like 40% and a clear majority think he’s a dip shit.

My most likely prediction for Brexit is that the U.K. is trying to get back in in 5 years but doing it on the EU’s terms and adopting the Euro.

Edit: like the U.K. has the best possible Eurozone deal. Free movement of goods and services and people, but get to have their own currency. Greece or Italy or Spain would kill for that deal.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 19, 2018, 03:06:08 PM
They won't be joining again for a long time.  People know this is a bad deal and they don't care.  Also, the EU has some pretty big sovereignty issues that will continue to be visible problems.  The only way I see them going back soon is if not being in the EU starts to dissolve the UK, so if the Scots decide the EU would be better or if they hit the backstop and NI gets set on fire.
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Post by: Nintex on December 19, 2018, 03:25:26 PM
The EU is so far removed from their own citizens it's not even funny. In The Hague we have quite a transparent and open government. You can catch up and chat with our prime minister if you happen to be up early and see him at the train station.
In Brussels even journalists have limited ways to reach out to those in power and MP's enter the building using a different entrance with a red carpet.

One comment Boris made on Brexit was right on the money.
He basically said that when he was mayor of London people could find him and call him a wanker. And he openly asked who people had to find in Brussels to call wankers.
No one knew. Some commitee has today decided that all plastic cuttlery will be banned in 2021. How and/or why that decision was made(?)

All the EU does is write new needless laws and regulations that take more control away from member states and thus from the citizens.
It's a German wet dream, virtually every product and activitiy is somehow regulated. Except illegally crossing the borders or being an EU MP.
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Post by: Raist on December 19, 2018, 04:19:15 PM
Quote from: Nintex on December 19, 2018, 03:25:26 PM
Some commitee has today decided that all plastic cuttlery will be banned in 2021. How and/or why that decision was made(?)


It's not that hard to find that type of information.

https://multimedia.europarl.europa.eu/en/impact-plastic-products-on-environment-vote-debate_I162414-V_v


That was 2 months ago, not today, by the way.
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Post by: Raist on December 20, 2018, 03:18:06 AM
Meanwhile in the EU~~

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46617152
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Post by: Nintex on December 20, 2018, 01:39:14 PM
The financial world will lobby against this so it will be scrapped
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Financial services operators in the UK lose the right to provide their services in the 27 EU member states under the EU financial services passports scheme;
The rest reads as: "We'll just delay Brexit for 12 months"

Honestly, this is in ways better than the deal May got.  :lol
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Post by: kingv on December 20, 2018, 05:01:32 PM
Fuck yeah it is. Blue passports!
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Post by: Raist on December 20, 2018, 06:09:32 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sussex-46640033


What a complete shitshow. Whoever's behind this is going to be made an example of.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 20, 2018, 07:59:35 PM
honestly, this terrifies me
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Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2018, 11:03:24 PM
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The measure had previously been ruled out by Sussex Police, which cited concerns over "stray bullets".
Ah, what they need is a battalion of American police!

Note: They may not bring down the drone.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 21, 2018, 02:25:49 AM
Why was there a decision to ban plastic cutlery?

Gee maybe you could use that brain of yours to figure it out ya dumb cunt

Go oppose wind energy or something equally dumb
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Post by: Raist on December 21, 2018, 04:43:49 AM
Fucking hell :lol

https://twitter.com/BenGuilbaud/status/1075878385459572736
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Post by: shosta on December 21, 2018, 04:44:36 AM
Has anyone actually seen a video of this so-called "drone"? Drone batteries hold a charge good for about half an hour of usage and yet this has held an airport hostage for an entire day? Police have now been authorized to use snipers? Here's a picture from the Daily Mail.

(https://i.imgur.com/jNg5oV5.jpg)

If those are police officers, why are they not uniformed?

Nothing about this is right. Wake up. It's not a drone. You're being lied to.
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Post by: Raist on December 21, 2018, 04:46:02 AM
It's a (or even multiple) large drone, not the kind of shit you can buy off of Amazon.
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Post by: shosta on December 21, 2018, 04:50:31 AM
Yeah, according to the police. Haven't you seen those horror movies where a monster rampages through the streets and the newspapers report it as a "large animal" the next day? If it's so large, how can the police not watch it land or keep an eye on it? How does that make any sense?
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Post by: shosta on December 21, 2018, 04:51:29 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/leeagilbert/status/1075765580475523079
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Post by: Raist on December 21, 2018, 05:04:20 AM
So what do you suggest this was all about then?

Anyway, here's a vid.

https://metro.co.uk/2018/12/20/first-footage-drone-evading-police-helicopters-gatwick-airport-8271026/

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Post by: shosta on December 21, 2018, 05:07:54 AM
The one and only vid despite 50 something sightings and a major disruption to an airport. I tried finding a longer version of that video but that's it. Maybe the police filmed that and distributed the video.
Quote from: Raist on December 21, 2018, 05:04:20 AM
So what do you suggest this was all about then?
I think there was a ufo incident at the airport and this is a cover-up.
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Post by: Raist on December 21, 2018, 05:14:50 AM
:rofl
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Post by: benjipwns on December 21, 2018, 05:15:02 AM
Quote from: Raist on December 21, 2018, 05:04:20 AM
So what do you suggest this was all about then?
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SI Justin Burtenshaw said: ‘Each time we believe we get close to the operator, the drone disappears; when we look to reopen the airfield, the drone reappears.’
It's a police drone searching for this "drone" obviously.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 21, 2018, 05:19:35 AM
One team: "We're going to open up the airfield, send up our drone to look for it."

Some other team: "HEY THERE'S THE DRONE, SHUT DOWN THE AIRFIELD ASAP!"

First team: "They're shutting it down, bring our drone in to recharge the battery."
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Post by: Nintex on December 21, 2018, 12:47:23 PM
The UK government has repeatedly shown that they can't find their way out of a paper bag.
And conspiracy nuts want us to believe that they can cover-up a UFO event?  :lol

https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1075871993482895361 (https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1075871993482895361)

Anyhow the airport is shutdown again because of Drones.
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Post by: Broseidon on December 21, 2018, 08:34:36 PM
shut the fuck up shosta
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Post by: Occam on December 21, 2018, 11:28:33 PM
Quote from: shosta on December 21, 2018, 05:07:54 AM
The one and only vid despite 50 something sightings and a major disruption to an airport. I tried finding a longer version of that video but that's it. Maybe the police filmed that and distributed the video.
Quote from: Raist on December 21, 2018, 05:04:20 AM
So what do you suggest this was all about then?
I think there was a ufo incident at the airport and this is a cover-up.

Joking or moron?
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Post by: Raist on December 22, 2018, 05:38:48 AM
They arrested 2 suspects last night and are interrogating them, apparently.

I wonder if they are little greys :thinking  :hans1
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Post by: Nintex on December 22, 2018, 09:22:44 AM
Welp turns out I was wrong. France is literally on fire again.   :-\
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 22, 2018, 01:23:00 PM
All you needed was the first sentence of that post.
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Post by: VomKriege on December 22, 2018, 03:55:23 PM
Quote from: Nintex on December 22, 2018, 09:22:44 AM
Welp turns out I was wrong. France is literally on fire again.   :-\

The numbers of protestors is down this Saturday but I don't know if the foreign press is properly conveying that while the gatherings on Saturdays are focal points, yellow vests are blocking roads, roundabouts, forcing toll boothes open on highways, etc... This include some spots being picketed round the clock and protestors spontaneously organizing day and night shifts. They did that every day for a month or so despite for no small amount of them being employed in some capacity. It hasn't magically stopped despite the holidays and measures so it was obvious there would be people marching today. It certainly could continue into January or even February considering the nebulous, loose nature of the movement. It's not like Macron concessions were spectacular and it has already leaked out that the implementation will be laborious (apparently the CSG will continue to go up in 2019 for pensions but people will be reimbursed in July. In practice it may be the same as not raising it all year as promised, but the OPTICS are not the best).

This movement has stripped Jupiter naked and some people will go as far as possible to see how much they can humble him. All the more since it's apparently been very cathartic for a lot of people who found avenue for socializing and speaking of those sort of problems openly. I'm pretty ambivalent about it all (it is not a movement of urban citizens or even one of the impoverished suburbs / projects) and I don't want to romanticise them but it seems pretty clear.

By the way I haven't seen a single Yellow Vest in any past Saturday, nor any burned car or smashed shop. I have been inconvenienced by some of the public transport stations being preemptively closed but the protests are very much localized into Paris intramuros to a third or a quarter of the city at best.

A tenth person died today but afaik no one was killed as a direct result of clashes between protestors and police (it's mostly car accidents linked to the blockades in some shape or form).
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Post by: shosta on December 22, 2018, 05:08:39 PM
I thought Macrōn already made concessions?
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Post by: VomKriege on December 22, 2018, 05:24:49 PM
Quote from: shosta on December 22, 2018, 05:08:39 PM
I thought Macrōn already made concessions?

He did, to the tune of an estimated 10-15 billions euros.
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Post by: Nintex on December 22, 2018, 07:14:49 PM
France will hit debt of 100% GDP next year. Macron is utterly fucked.
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Post by: VomKriege on December 28, 2018, 02:15:40 PM
You may or may not remember of Alexandre Benalla, the former security member attached to Macron who got to brutalize protesting students along with riot police as if being a sworn cop on last 1st May, who subsequently got terminated and is awaiting trial.

Well it turns out he's been busy flying all over Africa using two "diplomatic passports" given to him while at the service of French presidency. For instance allegedly meeting Tchad president Idriss Déby a few days before Macron made an official visit to this very important partner in Africa.

Benalla says he was in company of a foreign investment delegation as a private consultant and both Foreign Affairs and the Presidency also went on the record that he wasn't acting on their behalf and that the "diplomatic passports" were requested back several times since July. Now that the story went public, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is saying they will bring the case to a prosecutor.

The passports by themselves don't grant diplomatic privilege but it's not hard to see why it's a terrible look. Especially since both passports were issued on May 24th.
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Post by: Nintex on December 28, 2018, 06:32:37 PM
Macron has been somewhat de-fucked by the EU.

EU rules demand no deficit bigger than 2% of GDP.
The Italians got shit, because they dared to go as high as 2.2% or 2.4%!

BAD ITALIANS BAD!

But the French have been given a green light with no fuss for a 'one time' 3% deficit.  :lol
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Post by: Raist on December 29, 2018, 11:37:15 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on December 28, 2018, 02:15:40 PM
You may or may not remember of Alexandre Benalla, the former security member attached to Macron who got to brutalize protesting students along with riot police as if being a sworn cop on last 1st May, who subsequently got terminated and is awaiting trial.

Well it turns out he's been busy flying all over Africa using two "diplomatic passports" given to him while at the service of French presidency. For instance allegedly meeting Tchad president Idriss Déby a few days before Macron made an official visit to this very important partner in Africa.

Benalla says he was in company of a foreign investment delegation as a private consultant and both Foreign Affairs and the Presidency also went on the record that he wasn't acting on their behalf and that the "diplomatic passports" were requested back several times since July. Now that the story went public, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is saying they will bring the case to a prosecutor.

The passports by themselves don't grant diplomatic privilege but it's not hard to see why it's a terrible look. Especially since both passports were issued on May 24th.


He also claimed while answering to the senate a while ago (so under oath) that he left them in his office when he left his position :lol
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Post by: shosta on December 29, 2018, 02:30:33 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on December 21, 2018, 05:19:35 AM
One team: "We're going to open up the airfield, send up our drone to look for it."

Some other team: "HEY THERE'S THE DRONE, SHUT DOWN THE AIRFIELD ASAP!"

First team: "They're shutting it down, bring our drone in to recharge the battery."
Quote from: shosta on December 21, 2018, 05:07:54 AM
Maybe the police filmed that and distributed the video.
https://inews.co.uk/news/police-admit-drones-gatwick-airport-sightings/

the bore's resident libertariatī called it days before the state had to walk back its LIES
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Post by: shosta on December 29, 2018, 02:34:32 PM
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Police received 115 reports of sightings in the area, including 92 which have been confirmed as coming from “credible people”, said Mr York.
Credible people like raist  ::)
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Post by: Nintex on December 29, 2018, 08:21:56 PM
Credible people
 :putin
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Post by: Raist on January 01, 2019, 11:36:41 AM
OK fine, I was the one flying the drones. Happy?


In other news.


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Concerns have been raised over the readiness of a British firm contracted by the government to run extra ferries in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

Seaborne Freight was awarded a Ł13.8m contract this week to run a freight service between Ramsgate and Ostend.

The firm has never run a ferry service and a local councillor said it would be impossible to launch before Brexit.

The government said it had awarded the contract in "the full knowledge that Seaborne is a new shipping provider".

Sounds like a plan  :aweshum


For extra laughs, this new company (founded in 2017, by the way) appears to have connections with some very generous donors to the Tory party :thinking

https://twitter.com/Scotscouser/status/1079529510117298176
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Post by: shosta on January 01, 2019, 01:00:13 PM
Honestly, why pay taxes if your government doesn't even do its job ever anymore?
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Post by: Nintex on January 01, 2019, 01:43:46 PM
Because otherwise you'll end up with chaos, the system fails and .... uh wait.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 01, 2019, 01:47:19 PM
Quote from: shosta on January 01, 2019, 01:00:13 PM
Honestly, why pay taxes if your government doesn't even do its job ever anymore?

That's the GOP strategy, yeah.
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Post by: Nintex on January 02, 2019, 11:46:45 AM
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1080074297153110017 (https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1080074297153110017)

 :uguu
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 02, 2019, 03:20:47 PM
Silas Malafia, an influential televangelist and close friend of
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Bolsonaro, said developed countries who centuries ago cut down their own forests should pay if they wanted Brazil to preserve the Amazon.

“We’re going to preserve everything because the gringos destroyed what they had?” he said.

I mean these people are not wrong

Ill be willing to pay a rainforest tax if that kept them from cutting it down
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Post by: team filler on January 02, 2019, 08:53:03 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/pzbJnRL.jpg)
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Post by: VomKriege on January 02, 2019, 09:00:43 PM
https://twitter.com/kingyanis13/status/1069325391792390145

:lol
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Post by: BisMarckie on January 04, 2019, 04:43:55 AM
Quote from: filler on January 02, 2019, 08:53:03 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/pzbJnRL.jpg)

Worst part of this is the syntax.
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Post by: Tripon on January 04, 2019, 12:54:11 PM
https://twitter.com/singharj/status/1081208536573595651  :doge
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Post by: kingv on January 04, 2019, 02:02:04 PM
Keep a stiff upper lip.

British people like potatoes.

Edit: British politics are goddamn crazy and make Trump look competent.
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Post by: Nintex on January 05, 2019, 01:09:55 PM
The French are at it again. More protestors, more fires and one secretary had to escape his office through the backdoor after the YellowVests tried to gain entry.

Rumor has it that they want to march onto Macron's Palace tonight.
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Post by: VomKriege on January 05, 2019, 01:45:14 PM
There's less protestors than last week, and the numbers were already lower then.
 ???
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Post by: Nintex on January 05, 2019, 01:50:16 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on January 05, 2019, 01:45:14 PM
There's less protestors than last week, and the numbers were already lower then.
 ???
Are you saying that the internet is wrong?  :thinking
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Post by: Rufus on January 05, 2019, 01:57:02 PM
No, just that you should apply at the Daily Mail.
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Post by: VomKriege on January 07, 2019, 04:27:40 AM
I'll retract the previous information because at the end of the day there were more people this Saturday than the previous one nationally, contrary to reports within the day. Attendance is still lower than 4 weeks ago but as I said earlier it could very well linger for more weeks.
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Post by: benjipwns on January 07, 2019, 04:49:18 AM
The Russians were probably distracted and didn't get out enough of their orders.
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Post by: Nintex on January 07, 2019, 01:31:12 PM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1082307165115826178 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1082307165115826178)

European union
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Post by: team filler on January 08, 2019, 12:30:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIzgse24l6Y
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Post by: team filler on January 09, 2019, 04:49:27 AM
https://twitter.com/BitarDeen/status/1082237269937999872
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Post by: team filler on January 12, 2019, 05:42:27 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/rWeQgzd.jpg)
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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 12, 2019, 09:28:22 AM
I don't get it.
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Post by: Rufus on January 12, 2019, 02:43:55 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frau_Holle
tl;dr she makes it snow

Caption reads: "Frau Holle is dead, but she provoked it/deserves it."

Swing and a miss with this one, filler.
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Post by: Nintex on January 14, 2019, 04:14:06 PM
We'd almost forget about Brexit

https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1084837158425452545 (https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1084837158425452545)

https://twitter.com/thesundaysport/status/1084185789997768704 (https://twitter.com/thesundaysport/status/1084185789997768704)
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Post by: Raist on January 15, 2019, 05:54:51 AM
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Former UKIP leader Nigel Farage says he would run for parliament again, if the UK did not leave the EU.

Speaking on the Jeremy Vine on 5 show, he said: "I don't want to, I'm a businessman. I came into politics because I felt so strongly about this issue, I’d much rather never be involved in politics again. Brexit gets delivered, we get on with our lives.

"But I fear I’ve got a few more battles to fight."

:lol

I'm sure sixth time's the charm, Nigel.
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Post by: Nintex on January 15, 2019, 02:16:50 PM
- May is likely to lose
- May migh step down if she loses big or try again
- Corbyn might call a no-confidence vote that could get enough support for Brexiteers and that would lead to new general elections

 :doge
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Post by: brawndolicious on January 15, 2019, 02:44:29 PM
Brexit deal voted down by parliament 432 to 202.

Have no idea if just symbolic.

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Post by: Nintex on January 15, 2019, 02:47:27 PM
Corbyn has called for a vote of no confidence.  :lol

Biggest defeat for a government in British history  :doge

(https://stumblingandmumbling.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451cbef69e2022ad3a53a96200d-pi)

Pound ralies on May's defeat?

https://twitter.com/MelizaHaradinaj/status/1085280355421175808 (https://twitter.com/MelizaHaradinaj/status/1085280355421175808)
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Post by: Raist on January 15, 2019, 04:54:42 PM
Well, if you ignore the fact that it started going up long before the result was announced.
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Post by: jorma on January 15, 2019, 05:06:36 PM
GPB/EUR and GPB/USD rallied all the way up to +0,02% for the day  :lol

Such a powerful message the forex traders sent to the UK!
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Post by: Rufus on January 15, 2019, 05:44:17 PM
Hey man, picking the range on a Y-axis is an art.
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Post by: Nintex on January 15, 2019, 06:37:22 PM
Quote from: Rufus on January 15, 2019, 05:44:17 PM
Hey man, picking the range on a Y-axis is an art.
Perfected by Nvidia(TM)
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Post by: agrajag on January 15, 2019, 09:21:45 PM
Corbyn's vote of no confidence was more epic than Padme's in Attack of the Clones
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 15, 2019, 11:43:54 PM
Brexit is a bigger shambles then Trump in the white house
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Post by: Raist on January 16, 2019, 08:44:12 AM
DUP and Tory rebels: this deal sucks, you suck, we won't vote for it. We'll still vote for you in the no confidence challenge though :marimo
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Post by: VomKriege on January 16, 2019, 09:07:22 AM
As far as I understand the organization of upcoming European elections is under way, obviously with no British representation since the UK has triggered the process to remove itself from the union and it's too late to even imagine stalling that so even in the unlikely possibility that the UK would rescind Brexit (apparently the latest European Court of Justice ruling leaves room for it or stalling the deadline for exit despite the obvious impracticality) they would probably end up in some transitional status for the next few years regardless.

Basically quand le vin est tiré, il faut le boire or there's no coming back from this. I don't know a new Cabinet, whoever would end up in it, could alleviate it.
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Post by: Brehvolution on January 16, 2019, 09:31:20 AM
Quote from: Premium Lager on January 15, 2019, 11:43:54 PM
Brexit is a bigger shambles then Trump in the white house

Conservative 'governance' :rofl
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Post by: Nintex on January 16, 2019, 01:48:11 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on January 16, 2019, 09:07:22 AM
As far as I understand the organization of upcoming European elections is under way, obviously with no British representation since the UK has triggered the process to remove itself from the union and it's too late to even imagine stalling that so even in the unlikely possibility that the UK would rescind Brexit (apparently the latest European Court of Justice ruling leaves room for it or stalling the deadline for exit despite the obvious impracticality) they would probably end up in some transitional status for the next few years regardless.

Basically quand le vin est tiré, il faut le boire or there's no coming back from this. I don't know a new Cabinet, whoever would end up in it, could alleviate it.
The EU is moving closer to a German/France super state. Macron and Merkel will sign some treaty in Aacken soon that will basically put the political, defense and financial integration of Germany and France on a fast track.
Even though it is possible that across Europe the anti-EU and Eurosceptic parties win the elections and become the second biggest party in the EU parliament it seems that they are too late.


Brexit is incredible. Michael Gove is now trashing Corbyn.  :lol

*March 29*
"PLEASE PROCEEEED THE VOTE YES OR NO TO A SECOND REFERENDUM!!"

"THE NAY'S HAVE IT!"
"ORDER ORDER!!!"

Meanwhile in Germany:
 :stahp



May survives no confidence vote but the deal didn't pass last night.
Back to Brussels!  :lol
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Post by: team filler on January 19, 2019, 02:11:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jifS0fi9WB8
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Post by: benjipwns on January 20, 2019, 10:09:19 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/14/i-dont-trust-the-government-to-look-after-me-or-my-dog-meet-the-brexit-stockpilers
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Some people are stockpiling food, medicine and even pet treats in anticipation of mass shortages after a no-deal Brexit. Are they overreacting, or should we be following their example?

Jo Elgarf doesn’t look like you would imagine a prepper to look. She’s not a libertarian, camouflaged and armed to the eyeballs, crawling around the woods in Montana, skinning a squirrel for breakfast and fuelling up for the apocalypse. She lives with her husband and three young children in a sleepy suburb of south-west London.

Elgarf is happy to call herself a prepper, though; she is a member – and a moderator – of one of a growing number of prepper groups on social media. Hers – an anti-Brexit Facebook group called 48% Preppers – gets between 100 and 200 requests a day to join. Everyone wants to be ready for a no-deal Brexit.

(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/c6464045f45ce3b167f7052fa3926323e74b44f0/0_311_6403_3842/master/6403.jpg?width=1300&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=2308cce5ed2b339d8be5ba2185fc69bb)
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Post by: Nintex on January 20, 2019, 02:39:50 PM
Latest news from the government will the full confidence of the house of commons, her majesty and the people.
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1087057901632569344 (https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1087057901632569344)

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Post by: benjipwns on January 22, 2019, 10:37:35 AM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/charles-de-gaulle-saw-brexit-coming-11548104472
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De Gaulle—the leader of the Free French resistance in World War II who went on to found the Fifth Republic under which France still lives today—understood the problem best. He thought Britain would never truly be at home in a European union. “England in effect is insular, she is maritime,” he said in his remarks blocking Britain’s entry into what was then called the Common Market in 1963. “She has in all her doings very marked and very original habits and traditions.” He added that “the nature, the structure, the very situation that are England’s differ profoundly from those of the continentals.”

Moreover, from de Gaulle’s point of view, admitting Britain into Europe was like letting a Trojan horse through the gates. He believed Europe faced a choice between pursuing its original goal of a deep integration of the original six members and opting for a larger, looser association that included Britain. A larger and looser Europe, he believed, would be a weaker Europe. It would be unable to develop into a true world power that could face Russia and the U.S. as an equal.

Today de Gaulle looks like a prophet. EU membership has left Britain miserable and divided. The rest of the 28-member EU is overextended, stressed and geopolitically weak.
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But is remaining in the EU an option? EU supporters like France’s President Emmanuel Macron want to strengthen European institutions. If Britain remains in the EU, it will fight centralization tooth and nail. If EU supporters succeed in strengthening the union, pro-Brexit sentiment will come roaring back. But if they fail—and the chances of failure rise if Britain remains in the union—a deadlocked EU will continue to flounder. In that case, pro-Brexit sentiment among British voters is also likely to grow.

These are exactly the problems de Gaulle foresaw in the 1960s. For Europe’s sake and for Britain’s, it is time to cut the cord. A sullen Britain in a failing EU doesn’t serve anyone’s interests; neither does an endless haggling over the logistics of divorce.

Polish Foreign Minister Jacek Czaputowicz thinks he has an answer: limiting the Irish backstop to five years. During that period, Britain and the EU would look for ways to keep the Irish border open, but there would be no permanent British commitment to a permanent backstop. It’s an idea the Irish reject, but one of the strengths of the EU is the ability of its diplomats to find compromises.
if Trump is Winston Churchill, who is de Gaulle? :thinking
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Post by: Occam on January 22, 2019, 04:53:11 PM
The Australian government is nuts. Besides Trump and the Brexiters, these people are the biggest morons on the planet.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/22/technology/australia-cellphone-encryption-security.html
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Post by: shosta on January 22, 2019, 11:24:24 PM
How Iran walked into Israel's trap (https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5451086,00.html)
 
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[...] the Iranians have again fallen into a well-hidden trap laid by Israel: The events of the past two days are an almost exact replica of Operation House of Cards from May 2018. In both cases, the Iranians tried to punish Israel for bombing Revolutionary Guards targets in Syria. In Operation House of Cards, Israel tracked Iran's preparations to avenge the killing of Iranian soldiers at a Syrian airport on February 4, 2018. It took the Iranians three months to organize the plan, all the while under the watchful eye of Israel. And in early May, Israel carried out its preliminary attack at al-Kiswah base near Damascus, ostensibly to destroy missiles aimed at its territory. After the attack, the Iranians had no option but to respond, launching rockets a few days later from the Damascus region towards the Golan Heights.

Israel had stage-managed this chain of events thanks to its intelligence. The Iranian rockets did not cause any damage, but did provide a pretext as well as legitimacy for what followed: Israel used its own response to the Iranian violation of its sovereignty to eliminate the bulk of Iran's military infrastructure in Syria in one fell swoop. The Iranians fell for Israel's poker face.
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This sequence played out again over last two days: At the end of December, Israel reportedly attacked Damascus airport, killing a number of Iranian fighters. And in this instance too, the Iranians plotted their revenge under Israel's watchful eye, setting up a surface-to-surface missile in an autonomous Iranian area among Syrian bases in al-Kiswah.

On Sunday, just as in the first attack in May, the Israel Air Force struck the area. The Iranians, just as in the first attack in May, were pushed into a pre-planned response, firing their missile at Mount Hermon. Israel had predicted this response, and had an Iron Dome battery in place to shoot down the rocket. It also used this attack as an opportunity for "revenge". Just as in the first attack in May, the Syrians reported parallel air and surface-to-surface strikes on targets in Damascus, several hours later and under the cover of darkness.
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Post by: team filler on January 23, 2019, 12:05:57 AM
the black israelites should run israel. there'd be less war and more yelling dumb shit at people.
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Post by: Nintex on January 23, 2019, 02:25:13 PM
Coup in Venezuela.

Opposition party leader has assumed presidency.
Trump and Bolsonaro support his power grab.

Unknown what the Maduro regime will do.
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Post by: team filler on January 23, 2019, 02:30:28 PM
 :fbm
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Post by: Nintex on January 23, 2019, 02:38:31 PM
https://twitter.com/ReutersUS/status/1088157071462285312 (https://twitter.com/ReutersUS/status/1088157071462285312)

He declared himself President.

https://twitter.com/HouseForeign/status/1083527700189466624 (https://twitter.com/HouseForeign/status/1083527700189466624)
OMG, I completely missed this.
Debbie: "PUTIN!!!!!"

 :lol

https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1088149153803390976 (https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1088149153803390976)
ALL OPTIONS ON THE TABLE

 :gun
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on January 23, 2019, 02:58:34 PM
Honestly, how much worse could it be than Maduro?  :trumps
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Post by: team filler on January 23, 2019, 03:05:50 PM
Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on January 23, 2019, 02:58:34 PM
Honestly, how much worse could it be than Maduro?  :trumps
how much worse could it be than saddam? than gaddafi? 
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on January 23, 2019, 03:07:10 PM
Quote from: filler on January 23, 2019, 03:05:50 PM
Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on January 23, 2019, 02:58:34 PM
Honestly, how much worse could it be than Maduro?  :trumps
how much worse could it be than saddam? than gaddafi?
Surely the US won't let a country where they meddled in their politics fall into disarray. :hitler
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Post by: Nintex on January 23, 2019, 03:18:40 PM
The Venezuela ordeal has been pretty transparent.
Maduro has been an illegimate leader for years. The only reason the US threw a hissy fit is because recently PUTIN!!! landed a handful of strategic bombers on their airfield.

As for 'could it be worse?'

After 3 days of war caused by the public execution of the interum President the US announces and end to hostilities.
Mick Mulvaney Jared Kusher will be acting president of Venezuela until elections can be held.

The only thing the vipers want is the oil. Add the oil of Venezuela to the US sphere of influence and OPEC is finished.
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Post by: team filler on January 23, 2019, 03:24:36 PM
maybe venezuela should be given back their gold and have all sanctions lifted  :-[
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Post by: Nintex on January 23, 2019, 03:29:26 PM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1088169966015270912 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1088169966015270912)

Oh shit. It's on.
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on January 23, 2019, 03:36:13 PM
Here we go.
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Post by: Nintex on January 23, 2019, 03:49:17 PM
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1088173560919658496 (https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1088173560919658496)

Welp, that's it. The coup can't fail now.

https://twitter.com/evagolinger/status/1088176035261231104 (https://twitter.com/evagolinger/status/1088176035261231104)

US/Canada: Support coup
Russia/Turkey: Support Maduro
South America: Divided (Mexico: Maduro, Brazil: supports the coup)
Europe: Undecided as of yet


El Jeb:  supports Trump
https://twitter.com/JebBush/status/1088172812551049218 (https://twitter.com/JebBush/status/1088172812551049218)


Looks like the big conservative money for the army didn't come through. 4 deaths and arrests reported already
https://twitter.com/ReutersVzla/status/1088176743658278914 (https://twitter.com/ReutersVzla/status/1088176743658278914)
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Post by: team filler on January 23, 2019, 04:07:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_1TOOMaVq0


harveybirdmannequin
3 minutes ago
CROOKED Hillary should self declare herself as president.
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Post by: Nintex on January 23, 2019, 04:13:38 PM
"Acting President" as Pence speaks  :lol

Well played Russia, Well played.

Did that fucker really start out with: "Ola"  :dead
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Post by: Nintex on January 23, 2019, 04:31:23 PM
https://twitter.com/SenRubioPress/status/1088185846803648512 (https://twitter.com/SenRubioPress/status/1088185846803648512)

Apparently they met with Trump yesterday to get his blessing for the coup.
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Post by: team filler on January 23, 2019, 04:32:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOTY96V_kCM
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Post by: Kara on January 23, 2019, 07:17:23 PM
Wonder how epic fail guy this Venezuelan coup will be, there's a long record to live up to.
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Post by: benjipwns on January 23, 2019, 07:58:50 PM
if you started from kara's post and read up you could be mislead into thinking marco rubio had taken over Venezuela, er i mean, some people could, unnamed people
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Post by: agrajag on January 23, 2019, 08:20:35 PM
Trump should appoint Ben Shapiro as acting President of Venezuela.
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Post by: shosta on January 23, 2019, 10:16:51 PM
https://twitter.com/cushbomb/status/1088156057195761664
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Post by: benjipwns on January 23, 2019, 10:23:04 PM
lol look at the responses to the House Committee tweet

https://twitter.com/jergleyporf/status/1088159257940226048

https://twitter.com/saladglove420/status/1088162607318601729

https://twitter.com/ArloMillich/status/1088237157687406592

https://twitter.com/RichinMN/status/1088179954758619136

https://twitter.com/CommieAngel/status/1088227593222930432

https://twitter.com/ladydreamspeed/status/1088158699456217088
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Post by: Kara on January 23, 2019, 10:26:44 PM
The kids are all right.
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Post by: benjipwns on January 23, 2019, 11:04:15 PM
wait, that House Committee tweet is from almost two weeks ago :thinking
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Post by: benjipwns on January 23, 2019, 11:08:18 PM
this is the only thing i can find that they actually did:
https://twitter.com/HouseForeign/status/1088215430416793600

well, that's not true, they also sent a six part tweet to the wall street journal:
https://twitter.com/HouseForeign/status/1086278142493216769
https://twitter.com/HouseForeign/status/1086279568791547905
https://twitter.com/HouseForeign/status/1086281897188175872
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Post by: team filler on January 24, 2019, 12:26:37 AM
rick sanchez is one of my fave's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by5fchRmVow
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Post by: shosta on January 24, 2019, 05:17:46 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/IDF/status/1087360814644899841

Is every war going to be like this now
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Post by: VomKriege on January 24, 2019, 05:19:13 AM
Quote from: shosta on January 24, 2019, 05:17:46 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/IDF/status/1087360814644899841

Is every war going to be like this now

Yes.
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Post by: benjipwns on January 24, 2019, 05:25:20 AM
they said after nuclear war, the next war would be fought with rocks and sticks...little did they know about the troll war
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on January 24, 2019, 05:28:40 AM
Quote from: shosta on January 24, 2019, 05:17:46 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/IDF/status/1087360814644899841

Is every war going to be like this now
Pretty sure Israel is the last country that wants to be calling people out on being in other country's internationally accepted boundaries. Just sayin' :hitler
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Post by: team filler on January 24, 2019, 05:14:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCeRu2AB4IQ

((("President Bolton")))
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Post by: Nintex on January 24, 2019, 06:49:27 PM
- The military has sided with Maduro.
- US tells all non-essential personel and US citizens to leave Venezuela.

https://twitter.com/GOP/status/1088581097217318912 (https://twitter.com/GOP/status/1088581097217318912)

Acting President Pence: "Venezuela should be more like us"  :american
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Post by: curly on January 24, 2019, 09:31:57 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/24/world/americas/jean-wyllys-brazil-gay-lawmaker.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/24/world/americas/jean-wyllys-brazil-gay-lawmaker.html)

https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/yw8zwv/suspects-in-marielle-francos-murder-have-ties-to-bolsonaro-family (https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/yw8zwv/suspects-in-marielle-francos-murder-have-ties-to-bolsonaro-family)

Gay lawmaker flees Brazil after death threats and two suspects in the assassination of a lesbian socialist lawmaker last year have ties to Bolsonaro's son
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Post by: curly on January 24, 2019, 09:33:25 PM
Quote from: filler on January 24, 2019, 05:14:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCeRu2AB4IQ

((("President Bolton")))

epic antisemitism dude xD
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Post by: team filler on January 25, 2019, 04:57:26 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNsgpRcgyY8

 :putin :mynicca :rejoice :patel
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Post by: Rufus on January 25, 2019, 12:14:00 PM
Quote from: curly on January 24, 2019, 09:31:57 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/24/world/americas/jean-wyllys-brazil-gay-lawmaker.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/24/world/americas/jean-wyllys-brazil-gay-lawmaker.html)

https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/yw8zwv/suspects-in-marielle-francos-murder-have-ties-to-bolsonaro-family (https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/yw8zwv/suspects-in-marielle-francos-murder-have-ties-to-bolsonaro-family)

Gay lawmaker flees Brazil after death threats and two suspects in the assassination of a lesbian socialist lawmaker last year have ties to Bolsonaro's son
How to save the economy and lower crime rates.

Step 1:
Intimidate the gays.
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Post by: Mandark on January 25, 2019, 04:40:28 PM
https://twitter.com/RobbieGramer/status/1088910786485989379

Cool. Great. Fantastic.
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Post by: Kara on January 25, 2019, 09:35:37 PM
I know there isn't a lot to have hope and faith in these days Mandark, but there aren't words that can convey how ludicrously inept the Venezuelan opposition is. Well, except the G word.

In 30 years I'm going to have to hear some baby ultra-leftist tell me how unassailable Chavismo was because it built from the bottom up while we argue about whether the party should endorse the provisional American government and it's going to take all my energy to not just bust up laughing.
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Post by: Kara on January 25, 2019, 09:36:34 PM
Yes, I went hopepunk during my last sabbatical. No I will not be taking questions.
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Post by: team filler on January 26, 2019, 02:31:58 AM
Abby  :heart :heart :heart :drool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cymO3x5LigU


No name ok
2 hours ago
Food insecurity and inflation have always been rampant in Latin America and everywhere in the perifery of capitalism (Africa, Asia).
Suddenly because of Maduro the world elites are worried about that, very weird.


Richard Llewellyn
3 hours ago (edited)
Trump has cut his own throat with this failed coup, and exposed himself as just another Deep State person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation Neocon Swamp Pig. The total disregard for International law, Democracy and the Sovereignty of Nations is sickening. From reading the comment sections for the last 2 days it's clear that Trump has lost over half his base with this political suicide. Trump is toast and must go. When Chavez Nationalized the oil in Venezuela the CIA who work for Corporations not the American people took this as a vengance job they killed Chavez with weaponized Cancer delivered to him at the U.N. As the Great Awakening andYellow Vests are showing us the days of the war criminals are ending, and a pointed reckoning awaits these criminals. Mark my words Karma is coming.
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Post by: shosta on January 26, 2019, 04:00:14 PM
Quote from: shosta on November 03, 2018, 03:27:57 PM
I think some clarification is needed. First off, I don't identify with the US, so saying "we" is nonsensical and my interests are divorced from those of the global finance monstrosity that sits on top of the American imperial system. Second of all, how I specifically feel about "what should happen" over there given the pressupposition of regimes remaining the way they are is global investment should increase, esp. from China and Russia, Iran should grow into a much larger power, and everyone becomes economically tied to everyone else so the cost of pursuing national interests becomes too high. Neoliberalism. But thirdly, I would even more prefer that, given the ME has the highest income inequality in the world and all states are effectively undemocratic corporations, that people seize the wealth and undergo a violent, pan Arab socialist revolution, sort of like what Assad Sr. or Gaddafi envisioned, but better, and without ending up as dictatorships this time.

So noting that "their" interest was in pursuing a Saudi hegemony in the middle east as a contracts maximizing and alliance hoarding goal did not mean I was advocating it, and I'm still wondering how that analysis was wrong.
I wrote this nonsense only 84 days ago
 :larry
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Post by: Kara on January 26, 2019, 06:05:46 PM
The only real nonsense was advocating violent revolution.
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Post by: benjipwns on January 26, 2019, 11:31:28 PM
Quote from: Kara on January 25, 2019, 09:36:34 PM
hopepunk
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO :noooo
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Post by: Nintex on January 27, 2019, 10:59:52 AM
https://twitter.com/M3t4_tr0n/status/1089521238228242432 (https://twitter.com/M3t4_tr0n/status/1089521238228242432)

Pro-tip: If you start a coup don't forget to bribe the military.
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Post by: Nintex on January 27, 2019, 03:21:28 PM
https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1089618457166036993 (https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1089618457166036993)

 :mike
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Post by: shosta on January 27, 2019, 03:39:19 PM
I'm so hyped for this proxy war between US opportunists and Russian Chinese interests fighting to preserve their serious investment in Venezuela, the proxies being genuine Chavistas, the Venezuelan military (which has had substantive desertions), Cuban military support, Colombian right wing paramilitaries, US mercenaries, and genuine anti Chavez democratic opposition forces :noah

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Why can't the west accept a multi polar world order?  :stahp
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Post by: Kara on January 27, 2019, 04:38:55 PM
This one's for you, Assimilate. RIP.

(https://i.imgur.com/zw7fgBs.jpg)

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social democracy is the left wing of fascism dot jpg

(https://i.imgur.com/PrrOqzt.jpg)
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Post by: Mandark on January 27, 2019, 04:43:00 PM
Hm, p sure that's a photoshop as I've been assured by reliable sources that Bolsonaro is a "populist."
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Post by: Nintex on January 27, 2019, 06:18:58 PM
Our Prime Minister also recently met with Bolsonaro

(https://images0.persgroep.net/rcs/-O6LVC82mHsBcCZb6qB_iavSTHY/diocontent/140228330/_fitwidth/763?appId=e9b4e2a1869038ffcaf318a6d1463b0b&quality=0.8)

 :doge

In his defense. Tim Cook looks miserable in that photo.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 29, 2019, 11:25:56 AM
Lol may crawling back to brussels

Hope eu leaders tweet something like "dont book a flight theresa, negotiations are over"
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Post by: shosta on January 29, 2019, 02:21:25 PM
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/undercover-agents-target-watchdog-who-detailed-israeli-firm-nso-s-link-to-khashoggi-scandal-1.6873565

Israeli goons messing with the wrong human rights watchdog :delicious
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Post by: Nintex on January 29, 2019, 02:53:56 PM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1090335270162087936 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1090335270162087936)

Meanwhile the house of commons is voting on a number of Brexit things of which none will pass.
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Post by: shosta on January 29, 2019, 03:11:07 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/23/nyregion/newark-airport-drones.html

Still no pictures of these alleged "drones". How dumb do they think we are? ::)

https://twitter.com/adamlisberg/status/1088097241296969728
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Post by: agrajag on January 29, 2019, 03:50:21 PM
https://twitter.com/TracevaToons/status/1088327910463807488
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Post by: Kara on January 30, 2019, 02:45:38 AM
Very cool that the Hard Brexiteers are on the fast track to win by voting down a negotiated deal but helping the prime minister who negotiated it survive a vote of no confidence because there was a nontrivial chance of them losing a general election after the public saw that they were in the driver's seat. Very American, tbh. Use FPTP brehs.
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Post by: jorma on January 30, 2019, 07:08:10 AM
Quote from: shosta on January 29, 2019, 03:11:07 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/23/nyregion/newark-airport-drones.html

Still no pictures of these alleged "drones". How dumb do they think we are? ::)

https://twitter.com/adamlisberg/status/1088097241296969728

NA dinner plates are pretty big though

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Post by: Raist on January 30, 2019, 04:35:50 PM
Barnier refuses to reopen negotiations, especially not for the backstop.

Meantime, Barclays is transferring €190bln in assets from London to Dublin.

It's all going great :lol
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Post by: Nintex on January 30, 2019, 04:38:05 PM
On March 29th the UK will finally have agreed among themselves to postpone.

And the EU will be like  :comeon
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Post by: Kara on January 30, 2019, 08:53:13 PM
Quote from: shosta on January 29, 2019, 02:21:25 PM
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/undercover-agents-target-watchdog-who-detailed-israeli-firm-nso-s-link-to-khashoggi-scandal-1.6873565

Israeli goons messing with the wrong human rights watchdog :delicious

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-spying-raven/

 :goty2
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Post by: hungrynoob on January 30, 2019, 11:06:34 PM
Quote from: Nintex on January 30, 2019, 04:38:05 PM
On March 29th the UK will finally have agreed among themselves to postpone.

And the EU will be like  :comeon

The EU is more concerned how Paris is still revolting, whilst they pour in their (NOT YET PASSED PROPOSAL) EU tanks to silence dissenters to their criminal bullshit. The Whole brexit scenario is fear tactics and distractions.
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Post by: team filler on January 31, 2019, 12:55:30 AM
Eyal   :-* :-[

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaYl9swTf4o

Quote
Eyal Weizman studied the philosophy that guides Aviv Kochavi, the officer who was just appointed commander of the Israeli military. It is a philosophy that objectifies Palestinians and ignores the human suffering caused by new Israeli technologies and tactics of repression


As bad as things already are, probably going to get worse  :-\
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Post by: Raist on January 31, 2019, 02:30:11 PM
Gotta start somewhere, I guess.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47071874
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Post by: VomKriege on February 01, 2019, 02:45:20 AM
Quote from: Raist on January 31, 2019, 02:30:11 PM
Gotta start somewhere, I guess.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47071874

Mr Jope said Unilever was also stockpiling deodorant in mainland Europe in case of Brexit-related delays.

Sacrebleu !  :omg
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Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2019, 02:48:20 AM
why would the people of mainland Europe want deodorant ???
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Post by: Kara on February 01, 2019, 03:12:45 AM
As a likely climate refugee in the future it's comforting to know that the corporate powers that be will stockpile junk food that requires energy to keep it from spoiling instead of canned food when I have to travel across inhospitable terrain.
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Post by: team filler on February 01, 2019, 12:58:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BypNTkxklZA
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Post by: Nintex on February 01, 2019, 02:14:25 PM
Our prime minister has announced he 100% agrees with the US for doing this.
Because Russia has been violating this agreement for years.
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Post by: benjipwns on February 02, 2019, 05:47:41 AM
We've got 2019's first election coming up, El Salvador will elect its President on February 3rd.

Polls say the "new politics center-right" one dude will win in a first round landslide or it'll be a tight race with ARENA's guy where he falls short of 50%. Really, like every poll for the last year has either one of these scenarios, no inbetween. In any case FMLN is supposed to get smashed.

Nigeria's got next. Then Cuba's referendum to end the Revolution.
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Post by: BisMarckie on February 02, 2019, 06:19:24 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 02, 2019, 05:47:41 AM
We've got 2019's first election coming up, El Salvador will elect its President on February 3rd.

Polls say the "new politics center-right" one dude will win in a first round landslide or it'll be a tight race with ARENA's guy where he falls short of 50%. Really, like every poll for the last year has either one of these scenarios, no inbetween. In any case FMLN is supposed to get smashed.

Nigeria's got next. Then Cuba's referendum to end the Revolution.


If Cuba has any dignity, the revolution will win with 99% of the votes.   :ussrcry
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Post by: VomKriege on February 02, 2019, 06:21:24 AM
Quote from: Kara on February 01, 2019, 03:12:45 AM
As a likely climate refugee in the future it's comforting to know that the corporate powers that be will stockpile junk food that requires energy to keep it from spoiling instead of canned food when I have to travel across inhospitable terrain.

Pyramids were built by Joseph to store Toblerone.
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Post by: Nintex on February 02, 2019, 07:51:27 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 02, 2019, 05:47:41 AM
We've got 2019's first election coming up, El Salvador will elect its President on February 3rd.

Polls say the "new politics center-right" one dude will win in a first round landslide or it'll be a tight race with ARENA's guy where he falls short of 50%. Really, like every poll for the last year has either one of these scenarios, no inbetween. In any case FMLN is supposed to get smashed.

Nigeria's got next. Then Cuba's referendum to end the Revolution.
The politcal changes are kind of stunning.

Just imagine the sort of rap sheet the first female President of the US would've had:

- Destruction of the ISIS caliphate
- Appeasment towards Cuba and an end to the revolution
- Renewed NATO commitment from EU allies
 -Negotiated settlement with the Taliban in Afghanistan
- End of the Maduro/Chavez regime in Venezuela
- Trade agreement between the EU and US

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Instead we have Pence and Bolton flying across the globe pinky promising other governments that they can convince their boss to at least support the side he's supposed to be rooting for.
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Post by: Mupepe on February 02, 2019, 09:35:49 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 02, 2019, 05:47:41 AM
We've got 2019's first election coming up, El Salvador will elect its President on February 3rd.

Polls say the "new politics center-right" one dude will win in a first round landslide or it'll be a tight race with ARENA's guy where he falls short of 50%. Really, like every poll for the last year has either one of these scenarios, no inbetween. In any case FMLN is supposed to get smashed.

Nigeria's got next. Then Cuba's referendum to end the Revolution.
What I find strange about El Salvador is that Bukele runs on a right wing platforms under GANA but having family members in the police and military in El Salvador they post memes portraying him as what we would consider left wing here in the US. Family members here also talk about him like he’s the Salvadoran Obama despite being kicked out of the left wing party by taking aim at their corruption. The youth seems to love him but the establishment left and right in the country both seem to hate him.
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Post by: benjipwns on February 02, 2019, 10:05:24 AM
Perception plays a big role in politics. Countries where the police and military have played such long and established roles in power, a general liberal or even just critic of their roles can seem like a revolutionary.

Despite the FMLN, portraying him as too left-wing makes sense from the ARENA and associated parties (of both general and political types) because they're probably looking forward to a run-off with the FMLN candidate only polling like 10%. So it's about their general coalition and the assumption that the "real" left-wing will vote for him in a run-off.
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Post by: benjipwns on February 03, 2019, 07:15:50 PM
https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-evacuation-bad-brexit/
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If Britain crashes out of the EU and things go bad in London, Queen Elizabeth II will be ready to make her own exit — to an undisclosed location.

The U.K. government has repurposed Cold War emergency evacuation planning to prepare for the chance of violence and mayhem following a no-deal Brexit, and the need to protect the royal family, the Sunday Times and the Mail on Sunday reported.
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But the prospect of the queen being rushed to safety in a secret operation now joins the list of worst-case Brexit fears alongside potential shortages of food and medicine.

“The decision to evacuate members of the royal family is based on whether or not their safety is compromised,” the official told the Times.
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The royal family's evacuation plan had originally involved an escape by yacht — perhaps with an initial cruise around northern Scottish islands. The Times reported that after the royal yacht Britannia was decommissioned in 1997, a subsequent plan called for using a cruise ship for a similar seaborne escape.

Another option would have involved secreting the royal family to one or more country homes.

There are no indications that Whitehall’s current emergency plan might involve relocating the queen to the Continent — presumably regarded as unfriendly terrain even if food and medicine are expected to remain plentiful. More plausibly, the royals could head to a Commonwealth territory, though certainly not Gibraltar, which has been a subject of dispute in the Brexit negotiations and could face its own turmoil in the event of a no-deal scenario.
:gbcry :gbcry :gbcry :gbcry
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Post by: Nintex on February 03, 2019, 07:18:37 PM
Brexit riots?

That is the least likely scenario.  :doge

The press will chase Boris asking when he's going to take-over as leader and people passing by will call him a wanker.
And that's about the "excitement" the general public will be able to muster for a no deal Brexit.
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Post by: curly on February 03, 2019, 11:27:22 PM
for filler

(https://preview.redd.it/l2g6xq5tjge21.jpg?width=1024&auto=webp&s=14ff7b2543d679e71820462922492133fcea6e23)
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Post by: Raist on February 04, 2019, 03:10:54 PM
"Taking back control" once again proven to be totes worth it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47107561

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Nissan has confirmed that the new X-Trail originally planned for its Sunderland plant will instead be made in Japan.

In a letter to workers, it said continued Brexit uncertainty is not helping firms to "plan for the future".

In 2016, the carmaker said it would build the new model in the UK after "assurances" from the government.


edit:

Also:  :lol :lol :lol https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/235821  :lol :lol :lol

I hope this reaches 100,000 signatures, just to see some MP having to bring this up to parliament :rofl
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Post by: shosta on February 04, 2019, 04:18:17 PM
lol'd irl.

This really is the perfect time for a general strike in the UK protesting brexit. Shut the country down. Corbyn could do it if he wasn't a euroskeptic traitor more beholden to socialism in the uk than economic security.
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Post by: Rufus on February 04, 2019, 04:27:56 PM
Quote from: Raist on February 04, 2019, 03:10:54 PM
edit:

Also:  :lol :lol :lol https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/235821  :lol :lol :lol

I hope this reaches 100,000 signatures, just to see some MP having to bring this up to parliament :rofl
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu/germanys-merkel-drops-hint-of-a-creative-brexit-compromise-idUSKCN1PT1B9

:idont
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Post by: kingv on February 04, 2019, 06:11:49 PM
Quote from: shosta on January 27, 2019, 03:39:19 PM
I'm so hyped for this proxy war between US opportunists and Russian Chinese interests fighting to preserve their serious investment in Venezuela, the proxies being genuine Chavistas, the Venezuelan military (which has had substantive desertions), Cuban military support, Colombian right wing paramilitaries, US mercenaries, and genuine anti Chavez democratic opposition forces :noah

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Why can't the west accept a multi polar world order?  :stahp
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Mercenaries 3 :-*
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Post by: Nintex on February 04, 2019, 06:48:19 PM
Quote from: Rufus on February 04, 2019, 04:27:56 PM
Quote from: Raist on February 04, 2019, 03:10:54 PM
edit:

Also:  :lol :lol :lol https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/235821  :lol :lol :lol

I hope this reaches 100,000 signatures, just to see some MP having to bring this up to parliament :rofl
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu/germanys-merkel-drops-hint-of-a-creative-brexit-compromise-idUSKCN1PT1B9

:idont
I told you guys the Germans would fold.
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Post by: Raist on February 06, 2019, 10:00:12 AM
:rofl

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1093148562928685056
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Post by: Nintex on February 06, 2019, 02:30:41 PM
Brexit is fast turning into a better source of comedy than the Trump presidency.
Even though everything goes up in flames we still had a good laugh.
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Post by: Brehvolution on February 06, 2019, 03:42:56 PM
Lie to get elected and fail on all promises. The conservative way.  :gbcry :usacry
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Post by: team filler on February 06, 2019, 03:47:48 PM
Quote from: Brehvolution on February 06, 2019, 03:42:56 PM
Lie to get elected and fail on all promises. The conservative way.  :gbcry :usacry
:thinking sounds like obama  ::)
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Post by: Brehvolution on February 06, 2019, 03:51:11 PM
He was a center right republican.  :doge
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Post by: team filler on February 06, 2019, 03:53:29 PM
Quote from: Brehvolution on February 06, 2019, 03:51:11 PM
He was a center right republican.  :doge
:-[
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Post by: team filler on February 07, 2019, 05:42:40 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/isdEZzQ.jpg)

 :clap :clap :clap :salute
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 08, 2019, 01:55:05 AM
Tusk is not wrong though

Brexit only ever had two outcomes
-Hard brexit and hard border between the two Irelands, UK takes back control
-Soft brexit, totally meaningless scheme were UK has given away any say and must obey by EU rules and put in money

Everyone knew this before the vote

The EU is a peace project as many have said, and the whole good friday agreement was built on the two countries being neighbours in the EU

This should have been the main point during the leave campaign.
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Post by: Nintex on February 09, 2019, 02:11:34 PM
Light to dark!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fup6Yz9zmkA

spoiler (click to show/hide)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJWBA5UJZrM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZGP5JOergE
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Post by: shosta on February 09, 2019, 03:30:23 PM
Nintex, did you watch Brexit (with Benedict Cumberpatch)? This is surprisingly good
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Post by: Nintex on February 09, 2019, 07:23:35 PM
It's on my list of things to watch.

What's going on in Brexit land anyway?
https://twitter.com/MoS_Politics/status/1094349342167781376 (https://twitter.com/MoS_Politics/status/1094349342167781376)

 :iface
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Post by: Raist on February 10, 2019, 04:30:42 AM
EXCLUSIVE:

Picture of the only one fit for office to sort out the brexit mess.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/jaKNsgykKh_1e6QzfQDfsDxSf7Q=/800x600/filters:no_upscale()/https://public-media.si-cdn.com/filer/54/cb/54cb48e1-b750-4520-b518-8874435cd799/larry_chief_mouser.jpg)
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Post by: Raist on February 11, 2019, 07:47:39 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47155537

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The Bank of England expects growth this year to be the slowest since 2009 when the economy was in recession.

It is forecasting growth of 1.2% this year, down from its previous forecast of 1.7% made in November.

The Bank said it had seen further evidence that businesses were being cautious in the run-up to Brexit, including evidence from its own survey of firms.


Project fear something something we don't need experts something.

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cv_tI-fOVzM/WLbbFNhnMxI/AAAAAAAAHjQ/NjFROJVEsW8QhK7Wc5vZnzXoLuRy6ASzQCLcB/s320/iP42wHz.gif)
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Post by: Nintex on February 11, 2019, 03:26:11 PM
The latest Brexit rumor
- New general election to be held May 2nd
- No meaningful vote on the Brexit deal until after the EU deadline passes

 :lol
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Post by: team filler on February 11, 2019, 05:12:03 PM
https://twitter.com/DCarr8/status/1094995063262695425
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 12, 2019, 09:41:30 AM
Thats some voodoo
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Post by: Raist on February 12, 2019, 09:43:18 AM
Announcement of announcement.

Quote
Theresa May has promised MPs a final, decisive vote on her Brexit deal with the EU - but not until she has secured changes to the Irish backstop clause.

The PM said she needed "some time" to get the changes she believes MPs want.

She promised to update MPs again on 26 February and, if she had not got a new deal by then, to give them a say on the next steps in non-binding votes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47206286
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 12, 2019, 01:03:14 PM
What did I read somewhere?

"May going back to Brussels to negotiate is like the Titanic crew holding a vote and deciding that its the iceberg that has to move"
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Post by: Nintex on February 13, 2019, 02:07:29 PM
https://twitter.com/aljwhite/status/1095617704457891840 (https://twitter.com/aljwhite/status/1095617704457891840)

 :doge
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Post by: Rufus on February 13, 2019, 02:17:29 PM
"The revelation came during a Cabinet discussion on how to reduce food waste"

Shameless bootlick or dry wit?
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Post by: Raist on February 13, 2019, 02:40:32 PM
Remember that ferrying company that was awarded a Ł14M contract, except that it was founded in mid-2017 and owns no ships?

Well, contract was cancelled. At "no cost for the taxpayer", according to good old Theresa.
That is, if one ignores Ł800K spent on bid assessment :lol
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Post by: shosta on February 13, 2019, 07:46:43 PM
Netanyahu today in Warsaw: “What is important about this meeting — and it is not in secret because there are many of those — is that this is an open meeting with representatives of leading Arab countries that are sitting down together with Israel in order to advance the common interest of war with Iran.”

He tried to backpedal it later but he really does use the word war.
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Post by: benjipwns on February 13, 2019, 10:24:51 PM
El Salvadorian "Obama" won in the first round with 51%, so no second round. After he eliminates the police and military and destroys the country, expect to see him sneaking through our UNDEFENDED BORDER soon trying to take the job of President from a hard working American.
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Post by: Nintex on February 14, 2019, 01:32:44 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/WVpBOHN.png)

 :yeshrug
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Post by: Great Rumbler on February 14, 2019, 02:38:29 PM
Quote from: Nintex on February 14, 2019, 01:32:44 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/WVpBOHN.png)

 :yeshrug

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cv_tI-fOVzM/WLbbFNhnMxI/AAAAAAAAHjQ/NjFROJVEsW8QhK7Wc5vZnzXoLuRy6ASzQCLcB/s320/iP42wHz.gif)
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 14, 2019, 03:11:13 PM
https://gawker.com/canadian-man-sorry-for-chugging-eight-beers-and-swimmin-888283225?fbclid=IwAR2OW6u6CRYfPJ1ElQgELZAQo6BhpGuBjyQGbx6y-n9NubH58McVf5GD5mo
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Post by: benjipwns on February 15, 2019, 10:10:30 PM
Ukraine is considering cutting down the size of the Chernobyl exclusion zone since it's been over 30 years and many places have seriously dropped apparently.

Obviously a sinister Ukrainian plot to lure in Russian "separatists" and poison them with radiation.
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Post by: Nintex on February 16, 2019, 06:38:50 AM
Merkel: The climate kids are controlled by RUSSIANS(!!))!)!!

https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1096726477955989504 (https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1096726477955989504)
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Post by: VomKriege on February 16, 2019, 06:47:20 AM
Well, yeah, there's the outside influence of weather.
And I would suppose of public funded awareness campaigns to climate change.

:lol
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Post by: benjipwns on February 16, 2019, 06:54:36 AM
"thanks for turning off your nuclear plants, Angela" :putin
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Post by: curly on February 17, 2019, 12:10:22 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 16, 2019, 06:54:36 AM
"thanks for turning off your nuclear plants, Angela" :putin

forgot to log in to your nintex account
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Post by: Kara on February 18, 2019, 12:19:25 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-47268039

lol, the U.S. tries as hard as the Venezuelan opposition does.
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Post by: Raist on February 18, 2019, 12:03:55 PM
After Nissan cancelling the plans for production of their new model in their UK factory, some more great news, this time from Honda.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47282603

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Honda is set to announce the closure of its Swindon car plant in 2022, with the loss of about 3,500 jobs.

The Japanese company made 160,000 Honda Civics in Swindon last year, of which some 90% were exported to the EU.

Honda has yet to make a formal announcement, and the Prime Minister's spokesman said Theresa May would not comment until an official confirmation.

But local MP Justin Tomlinson said he had spoken to Honda, which confirmed it was consulting with "all staff".


Meanwhile, Theresa begs for support: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47268417

And 7 labour MPs just bailed: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47278902

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Post by: Nintex on February 18, 2019, 01:46:21 PM
So what does this new party....
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One of the seven MPs, Angela Smith, has, meanwhile, had to apologise after being criticised for a comment about skin colour on BBC Two's Politics Live programme.

oh  :lol
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Post by: shosta on February 18, 2019, 03:18:45 PM
Can't wait for this Saturday in Venezuela. I predict violence and then jailing of the opposition leader like what happened to Lopez.

EDIT: Gazprombank freezes accounts of PDVSA (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-gazprombank/russias-gazprombank-freezes-accounts-of-venezuelas-pdvsa-source-idUSKCN1Q60BK). China's got cold feet on this one, too. Writing's on the wall for Maduro!
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 18, 2019, 04:24:10 PM
Quote from: Raist on February 18, 2019, 12:03:55 PM
After Nissan cancelling the plans for production of their new model in their UK factory, some more great news, this time from Honda.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47282603

Quote
Honda is set to announce the closure of its Swindon car plant in 2022, with the loss of about 3,500 jobs.

The Japanese company made 160,000 Honda Civics in Swindon last year, of which some 90% were exported to the EU.

Honda has yet to make a formal announcement, and the Prime Minister's spokesman said Theresa May would not comment until an official confirmation.

But local MP Justin Tomlinson said he had spoken to Honda, which confirmed it was consulting with "all staff".


Meanwhile, Theresa begs for support: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47268417

And 7 labour MPs just bailed: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47278902

I def wont be buying cars built outside the eu
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Post by: Nintex on February 18, 2019, 04:28:21 PM
Quote from: shosta on February 18, 2019, 03:18:45 PM
Can't wait for this Saturday in Venezuela. I predict violence and then jailing of the opposition leader like what happened to Lopez.

EDIT: Gazprombank freezes accounts of PDVSA (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-gazprombank/russias-gazprombank-freezes-accounts-of-venezuelas-pdvsa-source-idUSKCN1Q60BK). China's got cold feet on this one, too. Writing's on the wall for Maduro!
Trump, who has been pissed off and railing on Twitter all day is about to go full  B E A S T M O D E  on Maduro

https://twitter.com/markknoller/status/1097592777284767744 (https://twitter.com/markknoller/status/1097592777284767744)
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Post by: team filler on February 18, 2019, 04:47:37 PM
 :fbm
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Post by: Nintex on February 18, 2019, 04:49:03 PM
Melania is doing the speech. This is already bonkers.
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Post by: Kara on February 18, 2019, 09:09:43 PM
lol @ Nintex thinking the U.$. can go beast mode on anything bigger than Grenada.
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Post by: shosta on February 18, 2019, 10:21:22 PM
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In Caracas, the Venezuelan government made its own attempt to turn the propaganda wars on food to its own advantage on Monday.

Communications Minister Jorge Rodríguez said Venezuela would be sending 20,000 boxes of food into Cúcuta, citing Colombia’s history of drug violence and poverty.

“It seems that no one takes care of the Colombian people, especially those on the border,” he said.
someone fire this guy
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Post by: Kunai With Chain on February 19, 2019, 10:32:46 AM
Is there anything more representative of British politics than quitting your party citing racism as an excuse only to go on national tv 3 hours later saying this shit?  :lol

https://twitter.com/MikeSegalov/status/1097487967730483201
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Post by: Mr Gilhaney on February 19, 2019, 06:14:31 PM
never been more proud of my country. we are finally getting a wall too

https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1089881121486241792

 :-[
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Post by: Nintex on February 19, 2019, 06:18:31 PM
Should've done that in 1939
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Post by: Raist on February 20, 2019, 09:03:17 AM
Another labour MP quits, and 3 tory MPs have apparently decided that this all sounds like good fun, so they're bailing as well.

faragethingslookingprettygood.gif
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Post by: VomKriege on February 20, 2019, 10:31:54 AM
Quote from: Kunai With Chain on February 19, 2019, 10:32:46 AM
Is there anything more representative of British politics than quitting your party citing racism as an excuse only to go on national tv 3 hours later saying this shit?  :lol

https://twitter.com/MikeSegalov/status/1097487967730483201

I went to listen the full clip because I couldn't make out shit in this one. She stops midway through the second word. Confirmation bias of being fed a potential answer before hearing it but in context I'm at odds to see what else it could have been.
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Post by: Raist on February 20, 2019, 10:56:07 AM
99% sure she was about to say tinge.

But even if not, following up "being black" with "or a funny..." was already a carcrash :lol
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Post by: VomKriege on February 20, 2019, 11:02:17 AM
Quote from: Raist on February 20, 2019, 10:56:07 AM
99% sure she was about to say tinge.

But even if not, following up "being black" with "or a funny..." was already a carcrash :lol

Yeah there's not much doubt about it.
Reminds me of Nadine Morano "I'm not racist, I have friends blacker than Arabs" but she was on the Sarkozy Right, so fairly unsurprising, not friggin' Labour.
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Post by: curly on February 20, 2019, 07:09:46 PM
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/haiti/article226475635.html (https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/haiti/article226475635.html)

 :thinking
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Post by: Occam on February 21, 2019, 02:25:07 AM
Britons may need Ł52 visa to visit mainland Europe after Brexit
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/20/britons-may-need-52-visa-to-visit-mainland-europe-after-brexit
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Post by: benjipwns on February 21, 2019, 02:26:38 AM
Quote from: Mr Gilhaney on February 19, 2019, 06:14:31 PM
never been more proud of my country. we are finally getting a wall too

https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1089881121486241792

 :-[
wow at outright calling them "German pigs"
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 21, 2019, 10:47:14 AM
Thats what I thought too  :lol
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Post by: BisMarckie on February 21, 2019, 12:34:52 PM
:trumps
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Post by: shosta on February 21, 2019, 08:43:50 PM
Now foreign aid for Venezuela is stockpiling in Pacaraima, Brazil. Maduro closing the ports off and the Brazilian border. Colombian border still open. The plan is obviously to accelerate the instability in Venezuela until there's real chaos and then the aid will be right there at the ready to be distributed by the opposition. Maduro is already distributing Russian aid, although I don't know how much that is compared to the "$20 million" sitting in Cúcuta.
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Post by: Raist on February 22, 2019, 02:40:44 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47326675

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Dozens of normally loyal Conservative MPs could rebel against the government in a bid to prevent a "no-deal" Brexit, Downing Street has been warned.

All is good in Westminster.
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Post by: Nintex on February 22, 2019, 11:09:56 AM
Quote from: shosta on February 21, 2019, 08:43:50 PM
Now foreign aid for Venezuela is stockpiling in Pacaraima, Brazil. Maduro closing the ports off and the Brazilian border. Colombian border still open. The plan is obviously to accelerate the instability in Venezuela until there's real chaos and then the aid will be right there at the ready to be distributed by the opposition. Maduro is already distributing Russian aid, although I don't know how much that is compared to the "$20 million" sitting in Cúcuta.
Trump will be throwing paper towels at hungy Venezuelans in a week.  :teehee
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Post by: shosta on February 22, 2019, 02:16:51 PM
Quote from: shosta on February 21, 2019, 08:43:50 PM
The plan is obviously to accelerate the instability in Venezuela until there's real chaos and then the aid will be right there at the ready to be distributed by the opposition.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/KTpd-CEJahw/maxresdefault.jpg)
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The political showdown convulsing Venezuela escalated into deadly violence near the border with Brazil on Friday, as security forces fired on a group of indigenous Venezuelans protesting the government’s determination to block aid deliveries from outside the country.

Witnesses and local officials reported the confrontation a day after President Nicolás Maduro of Venezuela, facing the biggest challenge of his political career, ordered all crossings at the Brazil border closed.

At least two civilians were killed and more than a dozen wounded in the confrontation with security forces in the Gran Sabana area, along Venezuela’s southeast border with Brazil, according to Américo de Grazia, an opposition lawmaker from the state of Bolívar.
Reminder that this has been the opposition's strategy for five years, since the 2014 elections: cause "chaos in the streets", instigate a violent confrontation with police, and then use that as international leverage. The police are really predictable, too, and always resort to violence, so this plan usually works.
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Post by: Nintex on February 22, 2019, 04:12:09 PM
Look at all these free people celebrating the end of another shitty socialist state

https://www.venezuelaaidlive.com/ (https://www.venezuelaaidlive.com/)

 :uguu

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Someone fly in the Hoff to deliver the final blow  :punch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zXiClnK8oE
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Post by: Tripon on February 23, 2019, 10:56:40 AM
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1099330804763774977

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London (CNN)Brexit could be on the brink of being postponed.

Three senior UK ministers have issued a warning to Theresa May that Britain's departure from the European Union should be delayed if there is no breakthrough on her deal in the next few days.
Writing in the UK's Daily Mail newspaper, cabinet members Amber Rudd, David Gauke and Greg Clark signaled they would support a vote in Parliament to have the Article 50 process extended in order to prevent Britain leaving the EU without a deal.

"If there is no breakthrough in the coming week, the balance of opinion in Parliament is clear -- that it would be better to seek to extend Article 50 and delay our date of departure rather than crash out of the European Union on March 29," the trio wrote in the article published Saturday.
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Post by: shosta on February 23, 2019, 01:17:41 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/kejalvyas/status/1099371156640055298

Well, they tried.
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Post by: shosta on February 23, 2019, 01:39:31 PM
https://twitter.com/evagolinger/status/1099363075394801664

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Post by: Great Rumbler on February 23, 2019, 01:42:09 PM
Quote from: shosta on February 23, 2019, 01:39:31 PM
https://twitter.com/evagolinger/status/1099363075394801664

Batman's not in The Avengers, he's not even in the MCU! How embarrassing for the protesters.
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Post by: Nintex on February 23, 2019, 01:59:32 PM
Will Maduro flee to Turkey or will we find him raped in a ditch like Qadaffi.

 :success
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Post by: shosta on February 23, 2019, 02:02:35 PM
https://twitter.com/WCKitchen/status/1099382713398804480

https://twitter.com/WCKitchen/status/1099383797731201024

Congrats, you did the worst possible thing other than killing protestors.
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Post by: shosta on February 23, 2019, 02:19:02 PM
https://twitter.com/WCKitchen/status/1099387679383453698

Your move, La Carlota protestors

Edit: actually that crowd has already mostly dispersed. :neogaf We end today with this:

https://mobile.twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1099388693125758976
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Post by: Tripon on February 23, 2019, 04:23:41 PM
https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1097788287572418560
https://twitter.com/SimonOstrovsky/status/1098269259229286400
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Post by: shosta on February 23, 2019, 04:27:46 PM
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How was the secret revealed? Russian soldiers involved in the fighting posted details of the battle on social media.
I mean, let's not exaggerate here. As soon as the fighting happened there were eyewitness accounts of Russian military operating in Donetsk. I saw pictures and they weren't selfies. This is like the most ridiculous article ever spun out of a minor policy development.
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Post by: Tripon on February 24, 2019, 11:38:25 AM
https://twitter.com/PA/status/1099683283862990848

I thought the US congress was bad about deadlines and funding basic shit. We're getting a civic lesson on a country literally having no idea what to do.
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Post by: Raist on February 24, 2019, 11:57:21 AM
Planned for March 12th :lol

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47348610
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Post by: Rufus on February 24, 2019, 12:12:05 PM
That leaves 18 days to fix it all kick the can down the road.

Sigh. End this shitshow already. :goty2
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Post by: Tripon on February 24, 2019, 01:43:14 PM
Quote from: Rufus on February 24, 2019, 12:12:05 PM
That leaves 18 days to fix it all kick the can down the road.

Sigh. End this shitshow already. :goty2

What's the end? I don't think they actually do it in the end because it actually means losing their(Parliament) own personal wealth. Even the grifters don't think they can make any more money on Brexit.
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Post by: shosta on February 24, 2019, 04:28:22 PM
https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1099726515292508162

This tweet is fucking me up
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Post by: VomKriege on February 24, 2019, 04:50:36 PM
Quote from: shosta on February 24, 2019, 04:28:22 PM
https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1099726515292508162

This tweet is fucking me up

"The adults in the room."
Isn't it a bit of common wisdom that the grotesque horror of Kadhafi's demise (as a cherry on top of the West accepting him again as an international partner after shunning him and then fucking him up by overstepping their UN mandate without even bothering with the facade of a trial / way out... All in the space of a few years.) actually hardened attitudes and distrust towards Western diplomacy  ? Maybe not the most responsible statement to make...

Besides...

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Marco Rubio
@marcorubio
Follower of Christ,Husband,Father,US Senator for Florida, #GatorNation & #FinsUp.

:thinking
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Post by: shosta on February 24, 2019, 05:08:43 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on February 24, 2019, 04:50:36 PM
Isn't it a bit of common wisdom that the grotesque horror of Kadhafi's demise actually hardened attitudes and distrust towards Western diplomacy  ?
That's exactly what drives the strategy of someone like Kim Jong Un. But the tweet's purpose isn't diplomacy. It's fascist theater, to delight the base, to remind ourselves that we rip our enemies apart. This is the war beat of the bloodthirsty.
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Post by: Tripon on February 24, 2019, 05:19:32 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on February 24, 2019, 04:50:36 PM
Quote from: shosta on February 24, 2019, 04:28:22 PM
https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1099726515292508162

This tweet is fucking me up

"The adults in the room."
Isn't it a bit of common wisdom that the grotesque horror of Kadhafi's demise (as a cherry on top of the West accepting him again as an international partner after shunning him and then fucking him up by overstepping their UN mandate without even bothering with the facade of a trial / way out... All in the space of a few years.) actually hardened attitudes and distrust towards Western diplomacy  ? Maybe not the most responsible statement to make...

Besides...

Quote
Marco Rubio
@marcorubio
Follower of Christ,Husband,Father,US Senator for Florida, #GatorNation & #FinsUp.

:thinking

The Gators are mascot of University of Florida.
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Post by: VomKriege on February 24, 2019, 05:23:56 PM
How convenient it also doubles as a dogwhistle :thinking  :gamergate
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Post by: Nintex on February 24, 2019, 05:25:31 PM
Quote from: shosta on February 24, 2019, 04:28:22 PM
https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1099726515292508162

This tweet is fucking me up
Quote from: Nintex on February 23, 2019, 01:59:32 PM
Will Maduro flee to Turkey or will we find him raped in a ditch like Qadaffi.

 :success

 :thinking

Our boi dolan is slow walking this. After the trick he pulled with Richard Branson's trucks Clinton would've had Maduro face down in the dirt by Sunday morning.
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Post by: shosta on February 24, 2019, 05:39:52 PM
Legit lol'd. Okay Nintex, you get a like for that one. I am loosening sanctions on your account.
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Post by: VomKriege on February 24, 2019, 06:03:14 PM
Meanwhile... Protests in Alger over the candidacy of the incumbent President Bouteflika. It's not the Arab Spring but still fairly notable as those aren't really allowed. Bouteflika has already completed four successive mandates since 1999 despite suffering a severe stroke in 2013. Since then he's wheelchair bound, regularly abroad for medical treatment, almost invisible and definitely not giving any speeches. The reality is that Bouteflika is basically the ornemental figurehead of the aging and decaying nomanklatura that have been pulling the strings for a long time now. That they can't come up with anyone else than a man suspected of being barely lucid or severely incapacitated is pretty worrying for when they ultimately all croak (which shouldn't be that far off now) considering Algeria had an horrific civil war that bred some of the most violent tendencies of Islamic terrorism in the not so distant past. Can only hope the youth will rise up to the occasion, God knows we could use more sensible regimes worldwide now.
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Post by: Brehvolution on February 25, 2019, 08:56:19 AM
Quote
Marco Rubio
@marcorubio
"Follower" of Christ,Husband,Father,US Senator for Florida, #GatorNation & #FinsUp.

fixt
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Post by: Great Rumbler on February 25, 2019, 09:42:14 AM
Quote from: Brehvolution on February 25, 2019, 08:56:19 AM
Quote
Marco Rubio
@marcorubio
"Follower" of Christ,Husband,Father,US Senator for Florida, #GatorNation & #FinsUp.

fixt

Hey, man, maybe you didn't read the part of the Bible where Jesus and his followers went to Rome, beat Caesar bloody, and then raped him to death in a ditch! :bolo
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Post by: Nintex on February 25, 2019, 02:01:56 PM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1100084331266088960 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1100084331266088960)

Tough talk but still no freedom and ditch rapin'

Kim Jun Un gets Trump quality time while Juan Guaidó gets soy boi pence and marco

better strike now before journo's start fact checking how Richard's trucks got on fire.
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Post by: Raist on February 25, 2019, 03:38:24 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47363307


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Labour has said it is prepared to back another EU referendum to prevent a "damaging Tory Brexit".

Jeremy Corbyn has told Labour MPs the party will move to back another vote if their own proposed Brexit deal is rejected on Wednesday.

Labour's Emily Thornberry said if the parliamentary process ended with a choice of no deal or the PM's deal, the public should decide.


:rofl
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Post by: Occam on February 25, 2019, 04:12:27 PM
Quote from: Brehvolution on February 25, 2019, 08:56:19 AM
Quote
Marco Rubio
@marcorubio
"Follower" of Christ,Husband,Father,US Senator for Florida, #GatorNation & #FinsUp.

fixt

Follower of Christ probably just means he follows someone named Christ on Twitter.
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Post by: Kunai With Chain on February 25, 2019, 05:02:19 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-47362962

Iran's foreign minister quits. Bad new for what was left of JCPOA, good news for Iran hawks though.
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Post by: Nintex on February 25, 2019, 05:18:24 PM
Quote
"I apologise for not being able to continue in the post and for all the shortcomings and flaws in the period," he wrote.
It was not your fault breh  :tocry
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Post by: curly on February 25, 2019, 06:24:18 PM
Quote from: Raist on February 25, 2019, 03:38:24 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47363307


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Labour has said it is prepared to back another EU referendum to prevent a "damaging Tory Brexit".

Jeremy Corbyn has told Labour MPs the party will move to back another vote if their own proposed Brexit deal is rejected on Wednesday.

Labour's Emily Thornberry said if the parliamentary process ended with a choice of no deal or the PM's deal, the public should decide.


:rofl

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Brexit pretty much fuck both Labor and the Tories, because they're both split pretty evenly between Remain and Leave supporters? Whatever position you take you're alienating a huge chunk of your supporters.
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Post by: Rufus on February 25, 2019, 06:28:18 PM
With any luck they can delay long enough for a significant chunks of leavers to just die off.
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Post by: Nintex on February 25, 2019, 06:47:05 PM
Quote from: curly on February 25, 2019, 06:24:18 PM
Quote from: Raist on February 25, 2019, 03:38:24 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47363307


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Labour has said it is prepared to back another EU referendum to prevent a "damaging Tory Brexit".

Jeremy Corbyn has told Labour MPs the party will move to back another vote if their own proposed Brexit deal is rejected on Wednesday.

Labour's Emily Thornberry said if the parliamentary process ended with a choice of no deal or the PM's deal, the public should decide.


:rofl

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Brexit pretty much fuck both Labor and the Tories, because they're both split pretty evenly between Remain and Leave supporters? Whatever position you take you're alienating a huge chunk of your supporters.

There's many angles on this brexit thing
- The mutineers (They both want Brexit no matter the cost and they want May to pack her bags. Rees Mogg)

- The Brexiteers (They want to leave the EU no matter what. TAKE BAKC COTNROL)

- The Brexiteers that want to have the cake and eat it too (They want to leave the EU on paper but remain in the common market. Boris Johnson!)

- The 'better deal' faction (They don't like the current deal and they don't like no deal. They'd prefer a better deal and they think that's possible if May went back to Brussels again.... again)

- The 'no-deal' or 'deal' faction (They don't want this deal, they're not clear on what sort of deal they would support but they don't want no-deal either. This was the Brexit secretary(Dominic Raab) position)
 
- The deal faction (They want this deal because they are convinced it is the only deal they're ever going to get)

- The 'different deal' faction (They keep telling that there should be a different deal than this deal. Not really 'better' but 'different'. Corbyn used to be here)

- The against Brexit but accept the will of the people faction (Those that don't want the Brexit at all but feel that it has to be done because of the vote. This is basically May's position)

- The 'Let's Try Again!' faction (They want a second referendum on Brexit, which means that there will be a third referendum)

- The 'Let's try something new' faction (They want a aye/nay referendum on May's deal, not necessarily a Brexit referendum)

- The Delay faction (They want the Brexit or not but they feel that the whole thing should be postponed regardless)

- The General Election faction (They think that a new PM would do better than May)

- The 'freedom of movement' faction (Want to stick in the EU but don't want the 'freedom of movement' that comes with it)

- The against Brexit faction (They just want the whole thing reversed and scrapped but they don't want to go back to the way it was as an EU member. They want some serious concessions)

- The 'OOPS' faction (Just wants to reverse Brexit and then return to the way things were)

- The remainers (They want to remain in the EU no matter the cost. Even if the UK has nothing to say they want to remain a part of it)

- The bring back Cameron faction (Not only do they want Brexit reversed they'd also like to see Cameron back as PM)
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Post by: Mandark on February 25, 2019, 07:00:23 PM
Quote from: curly on February 25, 2019, 06:24:18 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Brexit pretty much fuck both Labor and the Tories, because they're both split pretty evenly between Remain and Leave supporters? Whatever position you take you're alienating a huge chunk of your supporters.

The Tories are more Leave and Labor's more Remain, but you're right that it cuts across party lines more than other issues.

May hasn't been able to get support for her deal, so her current strategy seems to be running out the clock until there's a crisis (either accept her deal or suffer a crash Brexit with no deal in place) and hope that her party's hardliners and/or Labour squishes will cave at the last second.
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Post by: Tripon on February 26, 2019, 07:00:41 AM
https://twitter.com/YanniKouts/status/1099775718991499265
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Post by: Occam on February 26, 2019, 07:08:56 AM
The EU needs to revise the rules regarding leaving the bloc asap. It's completely ridiculous that one nation can practically hold the entire union hostage by declaring to leave at a predetermined date, and then unilaterally postpone the exit or even cancel it at will.
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Post by: VomKriege on February 26, 2019, 07:34:57 AM
Quote from: Occam on February 26, 2019, 07:08:56 AM
The EU needs to revise the rules regarding leaving the bloc asap. It's completely ridiculous that one nation can practically hold the entire union hostage by declaring to leave at a predetermined date, and then unilaterally postpone the exit or even cancel it at will.

Don't take my word on this but the European Court of Justice did actually say you could do just that some months ago, against the opinion of the EU. Which indeed sounds ridiculous.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-46481643 (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-46481643)

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Post by: Occam on February 26, 2019, 07:59:03 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on February 26, 2019, 07:34:57 AM
Quote from: Occam on February 26, 2019, 07:08:56 AM
The EU needs to revise the rules regarding leaving the bloc asap. It's completely ridiculous that one nation can practically hold the entire union hostage by declaring to leave at a predetermined date, and then unilaterally postpone the exit or even cancel it at will.

Don't take my word on this but the European Court of Justice did actually say you could do just that some months ago, against the opinion of the EU. Which indeed sounds ridiculous.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-46481643 (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-46481643)

Yes I know, hence my post. They need to rectify this yesterday.
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Post by: Raist on February 26, 2019, 01:18:20 PM
They can delay three weeks, three months or three years, it won't solve anything. Leaving the EU is essentially impossible due to the Good Friday Agreement.

Either they put the border (to take back control) between Ireland and NI, or they put it between Ireland (as in the island) and GB. Neither of these two options will ever get support.


Also, lolz https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47373996


(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/17746/production/_105807069_brexit_flowchart_what_now_26feb5_-3x640-nc.png)
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Post by: shosta on February 26, 2019, 01:22:19 PM
I bet those Ulsters wish they hadn't been the deciding factor in the conservatives having a majority coalition.
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Post by: Raist on February 28, 2019, 08:30:31 PM
Another one bites the dust~

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Environment minister George Eustice has quit the government over Theresa May's promise to allow MPs a vote on delaying Brexit, if her deal is rejected.

The MP said it would be "dangerous" to go to the EU "cap in hand at the 11th hour and beg for an extension".

He feared it could mean a long delay or that Brexit "may never happen at all" and said the UK must be prepared to walk away without a deal.
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Post by: team filler on February 28, 2019, 10:47:30 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsRk1RKcQ1o

 :ussrcry :lawd

Trinity Chavez   :shaq
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 01, 2019, 02:27:41 AM
Quote from: Occam on February 26, 2019, 07:08:56 AM
The EU needs to revise the rules regarding leaving the bloc asap. It's completely ridiculous that one nation can practically hold the entire union hostage by declaring to leave at a predetermined date, and then unilaterally postpone the exit or even cancel it at will.

The eu can say no to an extension
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Post by: VomKriege on March 01, 2019, 09:39:52 AM
Demonstrations are still going on in Algeria in protest to President Bouteflika being sent forward for another term. Journalists especially (from private and public outlets) are in too and Djamila Bouhired (an historic militant for the FLN who took part in operations in Algiers) was spotted too.

Is it finally time for Algeria ?
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Post by: Nintex on March 01, 2019, 01:39:13 PM
So the US went to the UN. I didn't work. Now Rubio and Pence have to persuade Trump to get the tanks rolling I guess?
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Post by: Nintex on March 01, 2019, 04:27:53 PM
https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/1101432653881008128 (https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/1101432653881008128)

 :doge

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Post by: team filler on March 02, 2019, 02:35:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E0ChWNOMM8

 8)
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 05, 2019, 02:36:00 AM
Macrons letter to Europeans in the Guardian

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Citizens of Europe, if I am taking the liberty of addressing you directly, it is not only in the name of the history and values that unite us, but because time is of the essence. A few weeks from now the European elections will be decisive for the future of our continent.

Never since the second world war has Europe been so essential. Yet never has Europe been in such danger. Brexit stands as the symbol of that. It symbolises the crisis of a Europe that has failed to respond to its peoples’ need for protection from the major shocks of the modern world. It also symbolises the European trap. The trap lies not in being part of the European Union; the trap is in the lie and the irresponsibility that can destroy it. Who told the British people the truth about their post-Brexit future? Who spoke to them about losing access to the EU market? Who mentioned the risks to peace in Ireland of restoring the border? Retreating into nationalism offers nothing; it is rejection without an alternative. And this is the trap that threatens the whole of Europe: the anger mongers, backed by fake news, promise anything and everything.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/04/europe-brexit-uk
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Post by: Occam on March 05, 2019, 02:59:23 AM
Good letter. But it's like a fart in the wind against decades of Murdoch media brainwashing.
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Post by: VomKriege on March 05, 2019, 05:31:38 AM
We can ship Macron to any EU country free of charge, win-win ?
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 05, 2019, 06:00:01 AM
Doesnt seem as bad as many and I like the letter

At least he says the right things
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Post by: Nintex on March 05, 2019, 02:48:09 PM
*reads Macron letter*
Not as bad as I thought let's see the closing argum....

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A world-oriented Europe needs to look to Africa, with which we should enter into a covenant for the future, ambitiously and non-defensively supporting African development with investment, academic partnerships and education for girls.
What's with the globalist obsession of recolonizing Africa. What do they think China has been doing for the past 10 years? :confused
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Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2019, 08:11:45 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-47457477
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Counter-terror police are investigating three packages containing explosives found at Heathrow Airport, London City Airport and Waterloo station.

The "small improvised explosive devices" were found in A4 postal bags, the Metropolitan Police said.

The force's Counter Terrorism Command is treating it as a "linked series" and "keeping an open mind" about motives.
WAS IT THE DRONE?!?
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Post by: Raist on March 06, 2019, 02:59:30 PM
Much shock, such surprise, wow :doge

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47470382

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Brexit negotiations "have been difficult" and "no solution has been identified" to the Irish backstop, the European Commission has said.

It comes after the latest talks between UK ministers and EU Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier in Brussels.

Commission spokesman Margaritis Schinas said the talks had taken place in a "constructive atmosphere" but there had been no breakthrough.

The UK is pushing for legally-binding changes to the EU deal.
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Post by: Rufus on March 07, 2019, 11:54:37 AM
https://threader.app/thread/1102551306525384704

Not news as such. Just some historical context on the German publishing industry that may shed some light on why we ended up with this shit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancillary_copyright_for_press_publishers and might end up with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_on_Copyright_in_the_Digital_Single_Market#Article_11 (and 13).
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Post by: Raist on March 08, 2019, 03:30:16 PM
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1103785118961946624/

https://twitter.com/bbcnickrobinson/status/1103918414081318912

:lol
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Post by: Nintex on March 08, 2019, 07:17:08 PM
At least Boris Johnson got a new haircut.
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Post by: Dickie Dee on March 08, 2019, 09:05:30 PM
lol

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1Ix-xnWwAAxmwU.jpg)
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Post by: Raist on March 08, 2019, 09:42:52 PM
Can't say I'm shocked, it was so predictable. I was discussing that with friends (british or not) just days after the vote - it's going to be an absolute shitshow, and they'll end up blaming the EU for it.
But having key government folks do that as there's little time left for them to sort their shit out is quite something, really :lol
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Post by: Kunai With Chain on March 09, 2019, 03:27:55 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47506145 (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47506145)
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Home Secretary Sajid Javid is facing criticism after the baby son of Shamima Begum died in a Syrian camp.

Ms Begum left London to join the Islamic State group aged 15. Mr Javid revoked her British citizenship when the teenager asked to return.
Damn, this story took an even darker turn real quickly.
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Post by: VomKriege on March 09, 2019, 04:40:19 AM
Quote from: Kunai With Chain on March 09, 2019, 03:27:55 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47506145 (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47506145)
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Home Secretary Sajid Javid is facing criticism after the baby son of Shamima Begum died in a Syrian camp.

Ms Begum left London to join the Islamic State group aged 15. Mr Javid revoked her British citizenship when the teenager asked to return.
Damn, this story took an even darker turn real quickly.

Well that baby should have pondered his decision to be born into an ISIS womb.
That's the prize to pay so that we can allow the state to strip your citizen's rights with a pen stroke.
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Post by: Kunai With Chain on March 09, 2019, 10:15:30 AM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/uk-porn-block-comes-force-14091429 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/uk-porn-block-comes-force-14091429)
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UK porn BLOCK comes into force next month - but a Ł5 ID card will buy you access
Is this how UK is hoping to prop up their economy post-Brexit? Making people by some ID vouchers at shops to watch porn?  :lol
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Post by: Tripon on March 10, 2019, 01:11:05 PM
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Jerusalem (AFP) - Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, in full campaign mode ahead of April 9 polls, on Sunday said Israel "was not a state of all its citizens" in a reference to the country's Arab population.

The prime minister, in comments on Instagram, went on to say all citizens, including Arabs, had equal rights, but referred to a deeply controversial law passed last year declaring Israel the nation-state of the Jewish people.

"Israel is not a state of all its citizens," Netanyahu wrote in response to comments from an Israeli actress.

"According to the basic nationality law we passed, Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people -- and only it.

"As you wrote, there is no problem with the Arab citizens of Israel. They have equal rights like all of us and the Likud government has invested more in the Arab sector than any other government," he said of his right-wing party.

As the comments caused waves in Israel, Netanyahu again spoke of the issue at the start of a cabinet meeting, making similar comments.

He called Israel a "Jewish, democratic state" with equal rights, but "the nation-state not of all its citizens, but only of the Jewish people".

https://www.yahoo.com/news/netanyahu-says-israel-not-state-citizens-130047783.html

That's some blatant racism right there.
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Post by: team filler on March 10, 2019, 01:42:36 PM
israel is just another case of white people killing/oppressing brown people and stealing their land
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Post by: curly on March 10, 2019, 08:08:12 PM
Everyone talks about how far US politics is to the right of Europe ([kara]only because they suckle on the imperial teat[/kara]) but Israel is a whole step further on the spectrum.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on March 10, 2019, 10:32:17 PM
How is Bibi being indicted for bribery and fraud getting so little play in the media?
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Post by: Tripon on March 10, 2019, 10:35:20 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 10, 2019, 10:32:17 PM
How is Bibi being indicted for bribery and fraud getting so little play in the media?

Bibi's currently at the level before an official indictment in Israel according to a NPR podcast I listened to a week or two back.
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Post by: Tripon on March 10, 2019, 11:26:26 PM
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1104945484647591936
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Post by: Mandark on March 11, 2019, 02:08:50 AM
Quote from: curly on March 10, 2019, 08:08:12 PM
Everyone talks about how far US politics is to the right of Europe ([kara]only because they suckle on the imperial teat[/kara]) but Israel is a whole step further on the spectrum.

Bibi's son said Black Lives Matter "thugs" are more dangerous than neo-Nazis, which just about sums it up.
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Post by: benjipwns on March 11, 2019, 07:15:28 AM
https://apnews.com/1abb7411af2d4b8bb2d202eedd480ff0
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TORONTO (AP) — There’s no money, no sex and nothing illegal happened. This is what passes for a scandal in Canada.

U.S. President Donald Trump has been engulfed in allegations involving possible collusion with Russia and secret payments to buy the silence of a porn star. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is facing a controversy that seems trivial by comparison, but it could topple him in elections later this year.

Two high-profile women ministers in Trudeau’s Cabinet, including Canada’s first indigenous justice minister, resigned in protest, and his top aide and best friend quit too.

The former justice minister and attorney general, Jody Wilson-Raybould, says Trudeau and senior members of his government pressured her in a case involving a major Canadian engineering company accused of corruption related to its business dealings in Libya. Trudeau reportedly leaned on the attorney general to instruct prosecutors to reach the equivalent of plea deal, which would avoid a criminal prosecution of SNC-Lavalin, because he felt that jobs were at stake.

“People south of the border would be astonished to think that this is the type of scandal that they have in Canada,” said Eddie Goldenberg, a former adviser to former Prime Minister Jean Chretien.
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Opposition Conservative Andrew Scheer leader has demanded that Trudeau resign, saying he tried to interfere in a criminal prosecution. Canadian media have covered the story as intensely as American networks have covered Trump, noted Nelson Wiseman, a professor at the University of Toronto.
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“He depicted himself as a feminist, as someone who believes in indigenous reconciliation, and then you have two of his top female Cabinet ministers resign, and they are depicting him in a very different light,” Beland said.

Trudeau said he tried to foster an environment where his lawmakers can come to him with concerns, but one of his female Liberal party colleagues, Celina Caesar-Chavannes, took issue with that, tweeting, “I did come to you recently. Twice. Remember your reactions?”

“When you add women, please do not expect the status quo. Expect us to make correct decisions, stand for what is right and exit when values are compromised,” she also tweeted.

Caesar-Chavannes, who is not running for re-election, has issued messages of support for Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott, a respected Cabinet minister who said she lost confidence in how the government has handled the affair.

“It is a fundamental doctrine of the rule of law that our Attorney General should not be subjected to political pressure or interference regarding the exercise of her prosecutorial discretion in criminal cases,” Philpott wrote in the resignation letter to Trudeau.
:cancry
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Post by: VomKriege on March 11, 2019, 07:34:26 AM
I posted the same question in the shit thread but it's probably more appropriate here though no less rhetorical I suppose : If everyone agrees that humanitarian relief is urgently needed in Venezuela, shouldn't it be at least possible to negotiate some sort of UN mandate for that, with some guarantees of aid being distributed "evenly" or by the UN itself so as to be as politically neutral as possible (since obviously Russia or China would only agree with strong guarantees of no interference) ?

The UN is sending a delegation to observe human rights compliance, if I am to believe their site, but that's maybe something they can do on their own.
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Post by: benjipwns on March 11, 2019, 07:41:35 AM
The Maduro Government has a history of letting foot aid just rot in warehouses and stuff. I'm not sure they, nor the opposition, are entirely up to the task of distributing the aid really. I'm also not sure anyone wants to defend the logistics depending on how the situation on the ground degrades. Russia and China might be willing to do it to prop up their investment but then you get the other vetoes against it.
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Post by: Nintex on March 11, 2019, 11:45:56 AM
US doesn't want Russians or Chinese that close to their borders so they won't agree with a UN mandate.
Russia and China don't want the US smuggling weapons and troops across the border to aid the resistance. So they block attempts from the US to do anything.

Also China and Russia like it when things go south in America's backyard. It's good propaganda material.
The EU would have to organize a meeting in Brussels to discuss and agree on what was discussed and decided at their last meeting.
But they won't do much unless Washington takes point. And Washington at this point isn't capable of much.

This is a problem for the US to solve and everyone knows it. So they're just sitting on the sidelines with popcorn until Bolton and Pence convince Trump it is time to bring democracy and freedom unless he wants to look weak.
Once it goes wrong (and it might) they can blame the US for the disaster that unfolds.

I'm only half joking when I say that Clinton would've had Maduro sodomized in a ditch by lunch time 3 weeks ago.
Trump is stuck between a rock and a hard place. If he waits this out the new guy might not be able to unseat Maduro and the people will doubt that the US will help them.
If he goes in he risks a new quackmire especially because the life expectancy of resistance leaders is well, short.

It has already been discovered that Richard's trucks were hit by Molotovs from protestors and weren't set on fire by the Maduro regime 'on purpose'.
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Post by: VomKriege on March 11, 2019, 01:48:39 PM
Arms exports soaring.  :itagaki
Main markets are the Indian subcontinent, Oceania and the lMiddle East + North Africa. China exports stagnating but their imports are down and they're probably focused on arming themselves with less reliance on foreign partners.

Algerian presidential election pushed back as protests continue and a hundred (edit : a thousand) judges were about to pledge their refusal to rubber-stamp the process.

The Prime Minister is set to leave apparently and Bouteflika has rescinded his candidacy.
:rejoice
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Post by: shosta on March 11, 2019, 02:13:26 PM
Time to invade Tunis and restore the Almohad caliphate!
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Post by: VomKriege on March 11, 2019, 02:55:53 PM
They're still not out of the woods : the election has been postponed. A reporter for Jeune Afrique said the Bouteflika clan already floated similar ideas 6 months ago to some opposition figures (postponing or having Bouteflika immediately announces a one year transition to a new regime / president upon election) as they weren't completely unaware of the legitimacy issues you have with a weak, feeble possibly impaired 80+ president that is invisible. That journalist also said the police clearly decided from the start they would allow the protests : you decide whether it's because they wanted to or reckoned they couldn't oppose it.

The figureheads are down but the system is still there and obviously trying to figure how to rebrand itself enough to stay in place.

Still, it was gained peacefully and it seems it's the end of long apathetic / depression state for Algerians.
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Post by: shosta on March 11, 2019, 03:03:02 PM
Does Algerian news get a lot of play in French media because it's part of the Francophone world?
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Post by: VomKriege on March 11, 2019, 03:26:11 PM
Quote from: shosta on March 11, 2019, 03:03:02 PM
Does Algerian news get a lot of play in French media because it's part of the Francophone world?

Yes. That, colonial history, a large contingent of people having roots there / double nationality / immigrants and it being just next door.
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Post by: Kunai With Chain on March 11, 2019, 05:24:15 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 11, 2019, 07:15:28 AM
https://apnews.com/1abb7411af2d4b8bb2d202eedd480ff0
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TORONTO (AP) — There’s no money, no sex and nothing illegal happened. This is what passes for a scandal in Canada.

U.S. President Donald Trump has been engulfed in allegations involving possible collusion with Russia and secret payments to buy the silence of a porn star. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is facing a controversy that seems trivial by comparison, but it could topple him in elections later this year.

Two high-profile women ministers in Trudeau’s Cabinet, including Canada’s first indigenous justice minister, resigned in protest, and his top aide and best friend quit too.

The former justice minister and attorney general, Jody Wilson-Raybould, says Trudeau and senior members of his government pressured her in a case involving a major Canadian engineering company accused of corruption related to its business dealings in Libya. Trudeau reportedly leaned on the attorney general to instruct prosecutors to reach the equivalent of plea deal, which would avoid a criminal prosecution of SNC-Lavalin, because he felt that jobs were at stake.

“People south of the border would be astonished to think that this is the type of scandal that they have in Canada,” said Eddie Goldenberg, a former adviser to former Prime Minister Jean Chretien.
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Opposition Conservative Andrew Scheer leader has demanded that Trudeau resign, saying he tried to interfere in a criminal prosecution. Canadian media have covered the story as intensely as American networks have covered Trump, noted Nelson Wiseman, a professor at the University of Toronto.
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“He depicted himself as a feminist, as someone who believes in indigenous reconciliation, and then you have two of his top female Cabinet ministers resign, and they are depicting him in a very different light,” Beland said.

Trudeau said he tried to foster an environment where his lawmakers can come to him with concerns, but one of his female Liberal party colleagues, Celina Caesar-Chavannes, took issue with that, tweeting, “I did come to you recently. Twice. Remember your reactions?”

“When you add women, please do not expect the status quo. Expect us to make correct decisions, stand for what is right and exit when values are compromised,” she also tweeted.

Caesar-Chavannes, who is not running for re-election, has issued messages of support for Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott, a respected Cabinet minister who said she lost confidence in how the government has handled the affair.

“It is a fundamental doctrine of the rule of law that our Attorney General should not be subjected to political pressure or interference regarding the exercise of her prosecutorial discretion in criminal cases,” Philpott wrote in the resignation letter to Trudeau.
:cancry
Why are they hand waving a corruption scandal like it's nothing? Incidentally funny to think that Trudeau, Macron and Merkel were meant to be the face of the Liberal order in a post Trump world and all three got completely fucked within like a year. I wonder who The Economist is gonna recommend idolising next.
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Post by: Nintex on March 11, 2019, 07:34:29 PM
Quote from: Kunai With Chain on March 11, 2019, 05:24:15 PM
Why are they hand waving a corruption scandal like it's nothing? Incidentally funny to think that Trudeau, Macron and Merkel were meant to be the face of the Liberal order in a post Trump world and all three got completely fucked within like a year. I wonder who The Economist is gonna recommend idolising next.
On the flip side no one has ever wasted a political revolution as much as Trump and Bannon did when they won the 2016 election.

Well, maybe the Brexiteers did.  :doge
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Post by: benjipwns on March 12, 2019, 02:44:52 PM
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To the women of Russia, Putin said in a state TV address: "You manage everything at work and at home and stay beautiful, bright, and charming."

"We, men, must say frankly that it is not always easy for us to be worthy of you," he said.

"But we will be striving for that and do everything for the women to feel our strong reliable shoulder, to feel that we always appreciate and love you, and not just on holidays.

"My best greetings on International Women's Day. This spring day is always full of flowers and gifts, lit up with the joy of our women and your shining smiles."

Putin also praised the ability of Russian women "to cope with everything at work and take care of the family."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Neh8psSVBak
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During the event he suggested some ways women could “maintain” their figures.

“What does a young woman need to maintain her figure? Three things: a workout machine, a masseuse and a suitor,” he said.

According to The Moscow Times he also told the police officers that their presence on patrol saved some people “because those who wish to die by suicide look at you and want to live again”.

(https://storage.googleapis.com/afs-prod/media/media:71886b0e07c84ef69dbbf7e45d4e6847/1800.jpeg)(https://storage.googleapis.com/afs-prod/media/media:5ec8142691924f8698c0d774efb29335/1800.jpeg)(https://storage.googleapis.com/afs-prod/media/media:5e5be2e23b1143718e747e741de7999f/1800.jpeg)
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When a Russian army recruitment office ordered a photoshoot to celebrate International Women’s Day, it didn’t feature any of the 45,000 women currently serving in the country’s armed forces.

Instead, the photos showed ballerinas in floaty white dresses posing with active servicemen in combats and machine guns. “The men’s power lies in women’s tenderness and love!” read a congratulatory note from the army office, based in Russia’s fourth-largest city of Yekaterinburg.
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Post by: Kunai With Chain on March 12, 2019, 03:21:34 PM
Looks like Theresa May is about to lose big again in her Brexit deal vote

Edit:

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May's Brexit deal defeated

Withdrawal Agreement Debate

House of Commons

Parliament

Theresa May's Brexit deal has been defeated in the Commons by 391 votes to 242, a majority of 149.

There we go
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Post by: shosta on March 12, 2019, 03:41:43 PM
Forget the second referendum. Brexit's cancelled.  :D
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Post by: Nintex on March 12, 2019, 03:47:47 PM
https://twitter.com/tictoc/status/1105554896965652480 (https://twitter.com/tictoc/status/1105554896965652480)

 :rofl
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Post by: Kunai With Chain on March 12, 2019, 03:49:54 PM
Funny thing is I bet she still won't quit after this.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 12, 2019, 03:54:01 PM
Lmao

Second referendum should be 2 options:

-Leave EU with No Deal
-Stay in EU
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Post by: Nintex on March 12, 2019, 03:55:26 PM
May put these options forward:
- No Deal Brexit vote (if rejected there won't be a no-deal brexit)
- Article 50 extension vote (but that requires consent from the EU27)
- A second referendum on the May deal (not Brexit itself)

CLOWNWORLD  :birb :bowsette


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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 12, 2019, 04:42:44 PM
The may deal is basically "be the eu's bitch deal"

Follow all our rules, pay money to have access to single market, have no say in EU

I like it, but its not really brexit is it   :lol
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Post by: jorma on March 12, 2019, 05:41:12 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 12, 2019, 03:47:47 PM
https://twitter.com/tictoc/status/1105554896965652480 (https://twitter.com/tictoc/status/1105554896965652480)

 :rofl

they put the quotation marks in the right place, because those are the only words from the tweet he actually said
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Post by: Tripon on March 12, 2019, 07:43:19 PM
Status quo is hoping for more time so uh, some decision gets made.
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Post by: Occam on March 13, 2019, 03:30:33 AM
There is no point in postponing it, nothing is going to change.
Britain's government consists of the second most stupid people on the planet.
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Post by: Raist on March 13, 2019, 08:45:17 AM
:rofl

https://twitter.com/retalsp/status/1105769876017344512

I wonder if he'll be sticking two fingers up to the locals during his holiday in Austria :thinking
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Post by: Occam on March 13, 2019, 09:10:01 AM
"Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite." (Every country has the government it deserves)
-Joseph de Maistre

Also, shouldn't they start planting potatoes right about now instead of leaving for a vacation in Australia?
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Post by: Raist on March 13, 2019, 09:16:28 AM
Quote from: Occam on March 13, 2019, 09:10:01 AM
"Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite." (Every country has the government it deserves)
-Joseph de Maistre

Also, shouldn't they start planting potatoes right about now instead of leaving for a vacation in Australia?

(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-36738f514fc1a2d8bf0134c57cac24e4-c)
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Post by: Occam on March 13, 2019, 05:18:02 PM
Oops, I misread. How embarrassing.
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Post by: Raist on March 13, 2019, 05:51:35 PM
MPs don't want a no deal either :yeshrug

Not exactly by a massive majority, as expected :lol

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The government motion, as amended, was passed by 321 votes to 278, a majority of 43, reinforcing the message that MPs do not want to leave without a deal.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47562995


edit: another minister resigned :lol
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Post by: Nintex on March 13, 2019, 06:57:48 PM
WELCOME TO MR. BONES NEVER ENDING RIDE

There will be no deal

There will be no further talks in Brussels

There will be no hard brexit

There will be no second referendum

There will be no leadership bid

There will be no general election

WELCOME TO MR. BONES NEVER ENDING RIDE
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Post by: Raist on March 13, 2019, 07:10:53 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47558676

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Theresa May voted against the government’s amended motion ruling out a no-deal Brexit (Maidenhead, Conservative)

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Post by: Tripon on March 13, 2019, 07:20:41 PM
(https://g8fip1kplyr33r3krz5b97d1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/GettyImages-1130197879-1160x773.jpg)

https://www.politico.eu/article/theresa-may-brexit-no-deal-uk-asks-for-one-more-week/

ONE MORE WEEK WILL FIX THIS GUYS.
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Post by: Raist on March 13, 2019, 07:29:55 PM
"And then, and then... they said we'll give them anything because german cars and british cakes XD"

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Post by: Raist on March 14, 2019, 07:13:31 AM
Much control, wow :doge

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/4BCA/production/_106020491_resignations-nc.png)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47564793
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Post by: Nintex on March 14, 2019, 03:15:55 PM
So the commons has voted FOR a 3 months extension

But not thanks to the tories
https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1106271836495642624 (https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1106271836495642624)

So now May has to go to the EU and tell them they want a 3 months extension and the EU might say. LMAO no.
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Post by: Raist on March 14, 2019, 04:11:17 PM
I'm sure those 3 extra months will totally be different from the past 33 where the UK government and MPs haven't been able to do more than arguing about who's the worst.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 14, 2019, 04:21:40 PM
New Brexit deal:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://i.imgur.com/HrzNNmc.jpg)
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Post by: Rufus on March 14, 2019, 04:26:41 PM
Tusk is willing to give them a year to get their shit together. Well, he's willing to try and convince the member states. :doge

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-tusk/eus-tusk-floats-long-brexit-delay-before-summit-idUSKCN1QV14U
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Post by: Occam on March 14, 2019, 06:28:20 PM
It would be idiotic to grant Britain any delay. Force them to exit or cancel now.
The EU has all the power right now. Tusk seems to suck at tactics.
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Post by: Raist on March 14, 2019, 06:34:00 PM
Quote from: Rufus
Tusk is willing to give them a year to get their shit together. Well, he's willing to try and convince the member states. :doge

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-tusk/eus-tusk-floats-long-brexit-delay-before-summit-idUSKCN1QV14U

Well, EU governments are really starting to get annoyed, with various degrees of severity. Not that I'd blame them :lol

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Germany losing faith but keen to help

France will demand tough conditions

Poland says anything but No Deal

Netherlands waits and hopes for the best

Italy says: 'Tell us what you want'


Bunch more details for each country: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47557216


Quote from: riotous on March 14, 2019, 05:45:55 PM
I don't understand why they don't just vote to cancel Brexit.

But muh will of the people.
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Post by: Nintex on March 14, 2019, 06:36:02 PM
Quote from: Occam on March 14, 2019, 06:28:20 PM
It would be idiotic to grant them a delay. Force them to exit or cancel now.
Tusk seems to suck at tactics.
Tusk is playing it smart. The Brexiteers portray the EU as a dictatorship that imposes their will on the poor UK.
It'll be hard playing the victim if they get a year delay when they asked for 3 months.

If they forced the UK's hand now they'd be 'the bad guys' and it would rally the UK to the Brexit cause again.
Now we'll likely see May leave once this delay is secured(because she's dead in the water politically), general elections and an entirely new ball game.
May would get the blame of this whole mess.
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Post by: Occam on March 14, 2019, 06:41:17 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 14, 2019, 06:36:02 PM
Quote from: Occam on March 14, 2019, 06:28:20 PM
It would be idiotic to grant them a delay. Force them to exit or cancel now.
Tusk seems to suck at tactics.
Tusk is playing it smart. The Brexiteers portray the EU as a dictatorship that imposes their will on the poor UK.
It'll be hard playing the victim if they get a year delay when they asked for 3 months.

If they forced the UK's hand now they'd be 'the bad guys' and it would rally the UK to the Brexit cause again.
Now we'll likely see May leave once this delay is secured(because she's dead in the water politically), general elections and an entirely new ball game.
May would get the blame of this whole mess.

So what?
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Post by: Nintex on March 14, 2019, 06:48:21 PM
Quote from: Occam on March 14, 2019, 06:41:17 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 14, 2019, 06:36:02 PM
Quote from: Occam on March 14, 2019, 06:28:20 PM
It would be idiotic to grant them a delay. Force them to exit or cancel now.
Tusk seems to suck at tactics.
Tusk is playing it smart. The Brexiteers portray the EU as a dictatorship that imposes their will on the poor UK.
It'll be hard playing the victim if they get a year delay when they asked for 3 months.

If they forced the UK's hand now they'd be 'the bad guys' and it would rally the UK to the Brexit cause again.
Now we'll likely see May leave once this delay is secured(because she's dead in the water politically), general elections and an entirely new ball game.
May would get the blame of this whole mess.

So what?
The brexit sentiment is alive and well in more of Europe.
Just last week I watched a debate in the Netherlands were the second and third largest parties backed the idea of 'Nexit' (Netherlands leaving the EU).

The brexiteers hate to admit this, but they're 'globalists' as much as their opposition is.
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Post by: Occam on March 14, 2019, 06:54:13 PM
The best way to keep other members from exiting the EU is to let Britain crash and burn (which is 100% self-inflicted), or to come back with its tail tucked between its legs.
Last I heard, approval of the EU was at an all-time high among the remaining members.

Edit:
There you go: Poll shows support for EU at 35-year high across bloc
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-election-poll-idUSKCN1IO2SP
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Post by: Raist on March 14, 2019, 07:35:09 PM
The shitshow must go on.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47577915

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Five Labour MPs have quit party roles to defy orders and vote against holding a fresh Brexit referendum.

Labour ordered its MPs to abstain on a cross-party bid to delay Brexit to allow a referendum on backing whatever deal is agreed or remaining in the EU.

But 41 of its MPs rebelled, with 24 supporting a referendum and 17 voting to oppose one.
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Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2019, 07:43:43 PM
Quote from: riotous on March 14, 2019, 05:45:55 PM
I don't understand why they don't just vote to cancel Brexit.
The Tories are the one who promised to allow a referendum and follow the results, they can't really pull this off, especially since they claimed Labour would ignore any results and do as they wished. That's why they're endlessly trying to delay the thing, they need to bump their margins back up so they can try and survive an election post going back on it.

Arguably holding another referendum on some kind of shitty "plan" is the best way out, but they're scared to death it will pass and they'll be double locked in.

Labour should by all accounts be dead in the water from shooting themselves in the foot constantly, but the Tories saw THAT as a challenge.
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Post by: Raist on March 14, 2019, 07:48:08 PM
https://twitter.com/RonanBrowne11/status/1106281949985947650
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Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2019, 07:50:45 PM
So the UK's going to come out of this fine by using blackmail and get to work from home?
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Post by: Mandark on March 14, 2019, 09:18:57 PM
AFAIK, polling consistently puts Leave ahead of Remain. Change the question to "why not hold a second referendum and get the same result?" and it answers itself.
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Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2019, 09:27:53 PM
It's basically been tied lately but polling on it hasn't been the greatest in the past, there's a pretty good lead for holding a second referendum though.

Labour's dropped quite a bit in the polls lately, they may have to bite the bullet sooner rather than later and hold a second referendum and general election in a short window this year. Hoping they can get Remain and also win the election.
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Post by: shosta on March 14, 2019, 09:42:30 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 14, 2019, 09:27:53 PM
Hoping they can get Remain and also win the election.
This is literally the first time I've ever read benji desire a political result to occur
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Post by: BisMarckie on March 14, 2019, 09:44:27 PM
benji being deeply invested in British politics is quite the plot twist :doge
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Post by: shosta on March 14, 2019, 09:45:10 PM
We have to stop Glen from compromising all these Bore accounts.
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Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2019, 09:49:06 PM
Quote from: KennyLoggins on March 14, 2019, 09:44:27 PM
benji being deeply invested in British politics is quite the plot twist :doge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand
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In 1987, the UK extended its territorial waters from 3 to 12 nautical miles (6 to 22 km). Sealand now sits inside British waters.
The biggest crime ever committed by the English! :wag
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Post by: shosta on March 15, 2019, 04:07:48 PM
Collective punishment time in Gaza. 100 targets hit overnight.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1rf9UvW0AI18RQ.jpg:large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1qBu-NWoAI_Gbg.jpg:large)

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Post by: VomKriege on March 16, 2019, 06:27:49 AM
https://play.acast.com/s/warcollege/everythingyouknowaboutputin-andrussia-iswrong

British scholar on Russia Galeotti is back on War College and as always offer a sober, grounded but insightful opinion on the Putin's system (or lack thereof) and the somewhat inappropriately named "hybrid warfare" (which is what Russians calls what they perceive the West to be doing, not what they preach.).

Some of the topics touched on : Russian backed biker gangs in Eastern Europe, their presence in the Balkans and the uneasy partnership of circumstances with China ("the necessity of today and the nightmare of tomorrow") that Russia has put on its back burner.
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Post by: Nintex on March 16, 2019, 07:32:58 AM
https://twitter.com/Henry_Belot/status/1106790914414919681 (https://twitter.com/Henry_Belot/status/1106790914414919681)

 :lol
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Post by: Tripon on March 16, 2019, 11:52:57 AM
So what exactly is happening with Brexit now?
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Post by: Raist on March 17, 2019, 12:16:56 AM
Quote from: Tripon on March 16, 2019, 11:52:57 AM
So what exactly is happening with Brexit now?


EU:

:yeshrug



UK:

(http://abload.de/img/200xhu4s.gif)
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Post by: jorma on March 17, 2019, 05:18:40 AM
Quote from: Tripon on March 16, 2019, 11:52:57 AM
So what exactly is happening with Brexit now?

everyone is trying to figure out how to pretend that the last three years never happened

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Post by: Raist on March 17, 2019, 09:39:18 AM
 :whoo


https://twitter.com/davemacladd/status/1107036923938435078
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Post by: Nintex on March 17, 2019, 10:20:49 AM
Quote from: Tripon on March 16, 2019, 11:52:57 AM
So what exactly is happening with Brexit now?
http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=41489.msg2590140#msg2590140 (http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=41489.msg2590140#msg2590140)
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Post by: kingv on March 17, 2019, 11:30:49 AM
Brexit makes me proud to be an American. Like sure, we voted in Trumptard but at least more than half the country hates him.

In the UK there’s like a million signs that Brexit is going to be a disaster for the UK, and the population still might prefer it to staying in the EU.
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Post by: Nintex on March 17, 2019, 02:58:20 PM
Quote from: kingv on March 17, 2019, 11:30:49 AM
Brexit makes me proud to be an American. Like sure, we voted in Trumptard but at least more than half the country hates him.

In the UK there’s like a million signs that Brexit is going to be a disaster for the UK, and the population still might prefer it to staying in the EU.
Brexit is like an Amazon.com dark UI pattern for cancelling your membership. The EU never thought it possible that someone would leave so they made that almost impossible (or rather, spend no time thinking about how that would work).
In fact, everything that relates to Brexit is a political miscalculation. From May ending up as PM to the Brexit secretary resigning after finishing up negotiating the deal.
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Post by: Raist on March 17, 2019, 04:39:35 PM
Quote from: kingv on March 17, 2019, 11:30:49 AM
Brexit makes me proud to be an American. Like sure, we voted in Trumptard but at least more than half the country hates him.

In the UK there’s like a million signs that Brexit is going to be a disaster for the UK, and the population still might prefer it to staying in the EU.

To be fair nearly half the population was against it. And likely well over half if you count resident EU citizens, which weren't given the opportunity to vote but I assume would have done so in favour of Remain.
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Post by: Tripon on March 17, 2019, 10:34:50 PM
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1107380138021453836
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Post by: VomKriege on March 18, 2019, 04:46:14 PM
Trains now more than ever on time in Chechnya.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47614971
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Post by: Raist on March 18, 2019, 06:41:04 PM
Bercow having none of it.

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1107670742630461443
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Post by: Tripon on March 19, 2019, 12:42:17 AM
Quote from: Raist on March 18, 2019, 06:41:04 PM
Bercow having none of it.

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1107670742630461443

Look at this smug guy.
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1107765198235025409
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1107770024490684416
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1107759662210998272
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Post by: Raist on March 19, 2019, 06:21:34 AM
Can't believe that the Speaker of the House is applying a well established rule there. What a POS.
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Post by: Raist on March 19, 2019, 06:28:45 AM
BBC's Political editor is mad AF (read the thread) :lol
That's some great journalistic integrity there.

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1107722769461055489


Meanwhile, Bercow is like "no fucks given".

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1107935118394642432
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 19, 2019, 07:00:07 AM
People vote for brexit by slightest of margins; Maybot; people's will must be executed no second vote even years later

House crushes Mays deal in biggest deal ever; Maybot; lets vote on this two more times within weeks to be sure

 :doge
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Post by: Occam on March 19, 2019, 07:19:50 AM
The BBC really has become a huge embarrassment in the last decade or two. They used to have standards and impartiality. Now it's pro-government yellow press with some Rupert Murdoch mixed in.
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Post by: benjipwns on March 19, 2019, 10:41:37 AM
https://apnews.com/ba03be7eb49a4794ae23b059656ca75d
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Nursultan Nazarbayev, the only leader that independent Kazakhstan has ever known, abruptly announced his resignation Tuesday after three decades in power, raising uncertainty over the country’s future course.

The 78-year-old said in a televised address to the oil-rich nation that he has taken the “difficult” decision to terminate his authority as president, effective on Wednesday.

He did not give a specific reason, but noted that he would have marked 30 years on the job later this year. He said he sees his mission as ensuring the transit of power to a new generation of politicians.

“It was an honor for me to serve the people,” he said. “I have worked hard to fulfill the nation’s will.”

Nazarbayev added that he would retain the position of the chairman of the nation’s Security Council and the head of the ruling party. “I will serve you until the end of my days,” he said.

He said that upper house speaker Kassym-Jomart Tokayev will serve as the interim head of state in line with the constitution until a new election is held.
:kazakhcry
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Post by: shosta on March 19, 2019, 02:45:11 PM
Quote from: Raist on March 19, 2019, 06:28:45 AM
BBC's Political editor is mad AF (read the thread) :lol
That's some great journalistic integrity there.

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1107722769461055489

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1107723054036193286

The hassle of having to submit a different bill? lol
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Post by: benjipwns on March 19, 2019, 06:56:33 PM
saw your article Nintex: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/03/19/donald-trump-junior-says-theresa-may-should-have-taken-his-fathers-brexit-advice/
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Post by: Kunai With Chain on March 19, 2019, 07:04:27 PM
https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1107747463631388673

Isreal is really ahead of the curve compared to the rest of the world, even when it comes to campaign ads.
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Post by: benjipwns on March 19, 2019, 07:07:49 PM
 :rofl at putting the jacket on her shoulders and then standing next to the painting
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Post by: team filler on March 19, 2019, 07:08:04 PM
https://twitter.com/ayatollahcola/status/1107844135363461120

very fine people over there in israel  :trumps
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Post by: Raist on March 19, 2019, 07:11:26 PM
Man, Sarah Michelle Gellar's new career is going places.
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Post by: Rufus on March 19, 2019, 07:14:32 PM
 :mindblown
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Realsatire

A real-life event that is unintentionally so exaggerated and ridiculous that is perceived as satire.
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Post by: Occam on March 19, 2019, 08:00:14 PM
Quote from: Rufus on March 19, 2019, 07:14:32 PM
:mindblown
Quote
Realsatire

A real-life event that is unintentionally so exaggerated and ridiculous that is perceived as satire.

That's a great German word, it aptly describes Trump's presidency, too.
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Post by: Raist on March 20, 2019, 05:44:03 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47636011

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Theresa May will not be asking the EU for a long delay when she formally requests that Brexit is postponed, Downing Street says.

No 10 added that the PM shared the public's "frustration" at Parliament's "failure to take a decision".

BBC assistant political editor Norman Smith said the delay would not be beyond the end of June.

(https://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/good_luck_morgan_freeman.gif)
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 20, 2019, 08:11:37 AM
Man hope we grow a pair and just kick em out now.

Or force a second referendum.
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Post by: Nintex on March 20, 2019, 03:15:54 PM
May is going to make a statement.

Some people say she might call for a general election.
Others are reporting that May will adress the nation directly bypassing the MP's and will ask the population to voice their support for her deal and thus put pressure on MP's to pass it.

 :doge
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Post by: Brehvolution on March 20, 2019, 03:22:24 PM
"Sorry we lied about all the benefits that leaving the EU would bring this great country. Most of you all know, it will make things worse. We will continue to seek delay until it is more politically beneficial for those in my party." -May
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Post by: Raist on March 20, 2019, 03:28:47 PM
Quote from: Premium Lager on March 20, 2019, 08:11:37 AM
Man hope we grow a pair and just kick em out now.

Or force a second referendum.


Your wish may be granted.



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The EU will only agree to a short delay to Brexit if MPs approve the current withdrawal agreement next week, Theresa May has been told.

[...]

The PM will making a statement from Downing Street at 20:15 GMT.

[...]

While a delay until 30 June "had its merits", Mr Tusk also suggested there were "political and legal" questions about delaying Brexit beyond 23 May - when European elections will be held.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47636011
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on March 20, 2019, 04:16:39 PM
Man, Nintex is probably enjoying these Dutch elections so far.
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Post by: Raist on March 20, 2019, 04:27:43 PM
https://twitter.com/rosskempsell/status/1108462827763843072


THE FUCKING IRONY. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Post by: Nintex on March 20, 2019, 04:30:10 PM
Meanwhile in Holland this guy is winning the senate elections.

(https://legacy.gscdn.nl/archives/images/t19.jpg)

 :mynicca

Quote from: HardcoreRetro on March 20, 2019, 04:16:39 PM
Man, Nintex is probably enjoying these Dutch elections so far.
I have no clue how Thierry is going to fill these seats.

Call Harry Mens?  :lol


LMAO FvD won big in a province for which they have no program  :lol
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Post by: shosta on March 20, 2019, 04:33:36 PM
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The EU will only agree to a short delay to Brexit if MPs approve the current withdrawal agreement next week, Theresa May has been told.
I just saw this :rofl

the entire point of asking for the delay is to get a different deal! What a hilarious response.
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on March 20, 2019, 04:40:55 PM
I like how our government has been so bad people are willingly voting for neo-nazis.
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Post by: Raist on March 20, 2019, 04:46:07 PM
Quote from: shosta on March 20, 2019, 04:33:36 PM
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The EU will only agree to a short delay to Brexit if MPs approve the current withdrawal agreement next week, Theresa May has been told.
I just saw this :rofl

the entire point of asking for the delay is to get a different deal! What a hilarious response.

They've made it clear for months that they will not renegociate the terms.
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Post by: Nintex on March 20, 2019, 04:50:20 PM
Quote from: HardcoreRetro on March 20, 2019, 04:40:55 PM
I like how our government has been so bad people are willingly voting for neo-nazis.

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FittingWarlikeBellsnake-max-1mb.gif)
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Post by: Raist on March 20, 2019, 04:51:57 PM
BREAKING NEWS

May's statement was a whole bunch of fucking nothing (shocking, I know).

Choice quote:

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Some have suggested holding a 2nd referendum. I do not believe that's what you [THE PEOPLE] want and it is not what I want. We asked you the question already and you gave us your answer


Let me get my third MEANINGFUL VOTE next week tho, Bercow pls.

:dead
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Post by: Nintex on March 20, 2019, 04:54:21 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1108470618465419264 (https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1108470618465419264)

 :doge
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Post by: shosta on March 20, 2019, 04:58:31 PM
Quote from: Raist on March 20, 2019, 04:46:07 PM
They've made it clear for months that they will not renegociate the terms.
I love 1) all the fanfare every time she "goes to the continent" and 2) everyone waiting for a new deal, as if there is some new deal they can get if they only just BELIEVE IN THE GOVERNMENT and DO THEIR BEST. This is it! The UK has no leverage!
Quote from: Nintex on March 20, 2019, 04:54:21 PM
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It's "high time" MPs made a decision about Brexit.
:doge
a third decision? :lol
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Post by: Raist on March 20, 2019, 05:06:43 PM
I love how she still mentioned June 30th in her statement. The EU has made it clear that's not gonna fly.
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Post by: shosta on March 20, 2019, 05:10:44 PM
I really do want to see the no-deal scenario happen out of pure malevolence. Total catastrophe, one huge punch in the nose to all the people who wanted to kick the pakis out etc. Maybe Irish reunification happens. Scottish secession. It would be amazing. Like, you want to be an ethnostate? Here you go! (Sorry Raist)
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Post by: Raist on March 20, 2019, 05:17:44 PM
I, too, suffer from morbid curiosity TBH.

In other news, https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-90-say-handling-of-negotiations-is-national-humiliation-sky-data-poll-11670995

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Nine in ten Britons think the way the UK is dealing with Brexit is a "national humiliation", a Sky Data poll reveals.

You don't say :lol
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Post by: Raist on March 20, 2019, 05:52:36 PM
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cv_tI-fOVzM/WLbbFNhnMxI/AAAAAAAAHjQ/NjFROJVEsW8QhK7Wc5vZnzXoLuRy6ASzQCLcB/s320/iP42wHz.gif)


spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1108476773979832320
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Post by: Nintex on March 20, 2019, 05:55:18 PM
The blame game between May and the other Tories will start soon.  :lol
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Post by: jorma on March 20, 2019, 06:06:43 PM
it's both amazing and appalling that she hasn't resigned, even if her tory mp's aren't exactly blameless
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Post by: Raist on March 20, 2019, 06:09:40 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 20, 2019, 05:55:18 PM
The blame game between May and the other Tories will start soon.  :lol

It already started, she spent half of her 5mins statement trash talking MPs.
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Post by: Nintex on March 20, 2019, 06:20:44 PM
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1108489647271936000 (https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1108489647271936000)

:heh


Meanwhile in his victory speech Baudet kept talking for 40 minutes about architecture, defeating mammoths, the entire history of his party, some political points and even some poems to fill up the air time of the public broadcaster.   :rofl
I hope one of his speeches will be aired with English subtitles once so everyone can enjoy.
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/0f7cd9cecbecda277d40cdc0efebabc7/tenor.gif?itemid=13703981)

The Netherlands is one of the few countries with so many parties that you can "win" big in an election with ~12% of the popular vote and end up with absolutely no power at all.
 
 
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Post by: team filler on March 20, 2019, 10:51:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ardJ97ZEJMg
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Post by: Tripon on March 20, 2019, 10:56:31 PM
https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1108412127646306304

 :lol
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Post by: who is ted danson? on March 21, 2019, 04:50:33 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 19, 2019, 10:41:37 AM
https://apnews.com/ba03be7eb49a4794ae23b059656ca75d
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Nursultan Nazarbayev, the only leader that independent Kazakhstan has ever known, abruptly announced his resignation Tuesday after three decades in power, raising uncertainty over the country’s future course.

The 78-year-old said in a televised address to the oil-rich nation that he has taken the “difficult” decision to terminate his authority as president, effective on Wednesday.

He did not give a specific reason, but noted that he would have marked 30 years on the job later this year. He said he sees his mission as ensuring the transit of power to a new generation of politicians.

“It was an honor for me to serve the people,” he said. “I have worked hard to fulfill the nation’s will.”

Nazarbayev added that he would retain the position of the chairman of the nation’s Security Council and the head of the ruling party. “I will serve you until the end of my days,” he said.

He said that upper house speaker Kassym-Jomart Tokayev will serve as the interim head of state in line with the constitution until a new election is held.
:kazakhcry

I went to Kazakhstan not too long ago for work. Lovely country and people, but it did make me laugh how so much shit was named after Nazarbayez. Anything big in Astana has his name on it. Even the (English speaking) people there openly joked about how they had a ""democracy"". Hopefully things turn out well for the Kazakhs. (I also felt kinda bad for them over Borat tbh).
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 21, 2019, 05:14:15 AM
Idk why Dutch people keep voting for a rebranded LPF for two decades now.

This is the most recent fraud thats promising Nexit pipedreams like closed borders but open trade  :lol

Only the true illiterati would vote for someone running with such a program after the Brexit debacle.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 21, 2019, 05:19:19 AM
Quote from: who is ted danson? on March 21, 2019, 04:50:33 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 19, 2019, 10:41:37 AM
https://apnews.com/ba03be7eb49a4794ae23b059656ca75d
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Nursultan Nazarbayev, the only leader that independent Kazakhstan has ever known, abruptly announced his resignation Tuesday after three decades in power, raising uncertainty over the country’s future course.

The 78-year-old said in a televised address to the oil-rich nation that he has taken the “difficult” decision to terminate his authority as president, effective on Wednesday.

He did not give a specific reason, but noted that he would have marked 30 years on the job later this year. He said he sees his mission as ensuring the transit of power to a new generation of politicians.

“It was an honor for me to serve the people,” he said. “I have worked hard to fulfill the nation’s will.”

Nazarbayev added that he would retain the position of the chairman of the nation’s Security Council and the head of the ruling party. “I will serve you until the end of my days,” he said.

He said that upper house speaker Kassym-Jomart Tokayev will serve as the interim head of state in line with the constitution until a new election is held.
:kazakhcry

I went to Kazakhstan not too long ago for work. Lovely country and people, but it did make me laugh how so much shit was named after Nazarbayez. Anything big in Astana has his name on it. Even the (English speaking) people there openly joked about how they had a ""democracy"". Hopefully things turn out well for the Kazakhs. (I also felt kinda bad for them over Borat tbh).

I was in Kazakhstan like in 2009 and stayes with locals, this guy told me the capital was moved to Astana because it was too cold there to hold anti government protests  :lol
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Post by: Occam on March 21, 2019, 08:08:29 AM
Quote from: shosta on March 20, 2019, 04:33:36 PM
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The EU will only agree to a short delay to Brexit if MPs approve the current withdrawal agreement next week, Theresa May has been told.

Excellent, that is precisely what I would have done.
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Post by: Occam on March 21, 2019, 08:10:00 AM
Quote from: Raist on March 20, 2019, 04:51:57 PM
BREAKING NEWS

May's statement was a whole bunch of fucking nothing (shocking, I know).

Choice quote:

Quote
Some have suggested holding a 2nd referendum. I do not believe that's what you [THE PEOPLE] want and it is not what I want. We asked you the question already and you gave us your answer


Let me get my third MEANINGFUL VOTE next week tho, Bercow pls.

:dead

Why have elections every four years? Hold one election and stick with the result forever.
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Post by: Rufus on March 21, 2019, 01:11:34 PM
https://twitter.com/Senficon/status/1108677980086300672

 :trumps
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Post by: Nintex on March 21, 2019, 02:15:40 PM
Someone gave Thierry some English subtitles
'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuJ_AAxOmms

 :)
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Post by: Nintex on March 21, 2019, 04:05:05 PM
why isn't this man the prime minister  :doge

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEilAWI_TRk
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Post by: Raist on March 21, 2019, 06:05:41 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/status/1108845642372317185
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Post by: Raist on March 21, 2019, 06:50:55 PM
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The BBC's Europe editor Katya Adler says the latest draft conclusions of EU leaders on a Brexit delay suggest there has been a "softening of stance".

After really wanting to believe Theresa May's Brexit deal would somehow scrape through Parliament, their unity begun to fray she says.

"When the prime minister spoke to them... she was unable to provide them with any concrete reassurances that that would, indeed, be the case.

"They want to avoid a no-deal Brexit and suddenly that reality, or possible reality, was starring them in the face."

She says their draft conclusions were now offering the UK an "unconditional extension".


 :crowdlaff
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Post by: benjipwns on March 21, 2019, 06:53:31 PM
Quote from: who is ted danson? on March 21, 2019, 04:50:33 AM
but it did make me laugh how so much shit was named after Nazarbayez. Anything big in Astana has his name on it.
Much like the Robert C. Byrd Memorial State of West Virginia.
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Post by: Nintex on March 21, 2019, 08:28:30 PM
Quote from: Raist on March 21, 2019, 06:50:55 PM
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The BBC's Europe editor Katya Adler says the latest draft conclusions of EU leaders on a Brexit delay suggest there has been a "softening of stance".

After really wanting to believe Theresa May's Brexit deal would somehow scrape through Parliament, their unity begun to fray she says.

"When the prime minister spoke to them... she was unable to provide them with any concrete reassurances that that would, indeed, be the case.

"They want to avoid a no-deal Brexit and suddenly that reality, or possible reality, was starring them in the face."

She says their draft conclusions were now offering the UK an "unconditional extension".


 :crowdlaff
O my Nintex was right.
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Post by: shosta on March 21, 2019, 08:31:16 PM
Alright Nintex, fess up. Who did you vote for?
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Post by: Nintex on March 21, 2019, 09:14:43 PM
Quote from: shosta on March 21, 2019, 08:31:16 PM
Alright Nintex, fess up. Who did you vote for?
Well I live in a coastal town so the biggest party of Zuid Holland obviously.

If you count D66 as part of the right, then 74% of our town voted for a rightwing party.
With FvD in first place at 22.9% and the VVD in second place with 22.7%.

And that is after the recent merger with a nearby town which is more left than we are (which is partly why our towns were merged to prevent a 99% take-over of the right).


Anyhow this is just a warming up for the real event. The European Elections. Brussels will be horrified by who we send their way  :lol
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Post by: Tripon on March 21, 2019, 10:54:39 PM
Quote
The United Kingdom won't crash out of the EU on Brexit day, March 29. The European Council has given the U.K. a short Brexit extension to April 12, at which point they expect to see Prime Minister Theresa May's Brexit deal approved by the U.K. Parliament.

What's next: In the unlikely event that May can secure parliamentary approval for her deal by April 12, the U.K. will exit the EU on or before May 22. If May cannot get that approval, she will need to return to the EU "to indicate a way forward". Any attempt to remain in the EU past May 22 is likely to require the U.K. holding EU elections on May 23.

https://www.axios.com/europe-grants-the-uk-a-short-brexit-delay--a32a65ea-2ed0-48da-be47-1bc52c08410a.html

11 days.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 22, 2019, 01:57:15 AM
D66 is centre though for like forever, and pro europe
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Post by: shosta on March 22, 2019, 02:13:40 AM
yeah when I think european right wing, i think "ban islam" and "recolonize the dutch indies"
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 22, 2019, 03:01:15 AM
 Btw "china is doing nothing" news Nintex doesn't want people to see

Also makes the whole PvD program look even more dumb with its complaining about electric cars and China   :lol

China is already doing more then the Netherlands, also I love how Right wing populists like to ignore the amount of polution in China is due to demand for cheap shit and shit regulation in the West. St

Quote
Electric vehicles have displaced about 3 percent of total oil
consumption growth since 2011, a larger share than ever before. And so far, more than three-quarters of that oil displacement has come from electric buses, Bloomberg reports.

Quote
Most of this is occurring in China, Bloomberg notes. A report last year found that of about 385,000 electric buses in the world in 2017, about 99 percent of them were in China, with rapid growth still taking place. The city of Shenzhen alone announced in 2017 that it had completely electrified its fleet of 16,000 buses.

https://electrek.co/2019/03/20/chinese-electric-buses-oil/

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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 22, 2019, 03:05:04 AM
Quote from: shosta on March 22, 2019, 02:13:40 AM
yeah when I think european right wing, i think "ban islam" and "recolonize the dutch indies"

Yeah D66 is not that at all, just a pragmatist party,  I've voted for them once and knew some people active in the party.
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Post by: who is ted danson? on March 22, 2019, 04:38:10 AM
The Kazakh government went "fuck it" and decided to rename Astana to Nursultan. At least he didn't have to call the vote himself  :lol

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-47638619

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Post by: BisMarckie on March 22, 2019, 04:42:53 AM
Former Soviet states that went full Banana-Republic dictatorship are my fetish.

Azerbaijan :rejoice
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Post by: Raist on March 22, 2019, 05:06:02 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-47662526/brexit-three-moments-that-raised-a-smile

:dead
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Post by: Raist on March 22, 2019, 05:25:49 AM
So apparently, Boeing went with a paid DLC model for some of their safety features. What in the fuck.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/21/business/boeing-safety-features-charge.html

Quote
As the pilots of the doomed Boeing jets in Ethiopia and Indonesia fought to control their planes, they lacked two notable safety features in their cockpits.

One reason: Boeing charged extra for them.
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Post by: VomKriege on March 22, 2019, 06:15:05 AM
Brexit means oh shit we need to draft candidates for the European election.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 22, 2019, 06:54:24 AM
Quote from: Raist on March 22, 2019, 05:25:49 AM
So apparently, Boeing went with a paid DLC model for some of their safety features. What in the fuck.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/21/business/boeing-safety-features-charge.html

Quote
As the pilots of the doomed Boeing jets in Ethiopia and Indonesia fought to control their planes, they lacked two notable safety features in their cockpits.

One reason: Boeing charged extra for them.

Just like cars tbf. Invisible hand of the market in full effect. Now people will vote with their wallets.

This could be in the late stage capitalism thread.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 22, 2019, 06:55:22 AM
Quote from: who is ted danson? on March 22, 2019, 04:38:10 AM
The Kazakh government went "fuck it" and decided to rename Astana to Nursultan. At least he didn't have to call the vote himself  :lol

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-47638619

Finally I have visited a city that has changed names  :-*
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Post by: Rufus on March 22, 2019, 12:12:53 PM
Quote from: Raist on March 22, 2019, 05:25:49 AM
So apparently, Boeing went with a paid DLC model for some of their safety features. What in the fuck.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/21/business/boeing-safety-features-charge.html

Quote
As the pilots of the doomed Boeing jets in Ethiopia and Indonesia fought to control their planes, they lacked two notable safety features in their cockpits.

One reason: Boeing charged extra for them.
That's worse than the software bugs or certification shenanigans I assumed were to blame.
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Post by: VomKriege on March 22, 2019, 12:46:50 PM
Another great spin move by the French government as they announced, after the resurgence of property destruction last Saturday in the Yellow Jackets demonstrations which caught them off guard (?), that the infantry soldiers used in the Sentinelle operation (Deployment to patrol after the Bataclan shootings and an update of the Vigipirate plans that have been in place since the GIA bombs in the 90's) could be used tomorrow in the security apparatus for the planned protests. Everyone basically freaked out at the terrible idea (justifiably, up to journalists specialized in military affairs) and ever since the government had to clarify it would only be static guard of some public buildings and not real law enforcement and crowd control but you still had the Paris Military Prefect being questioned this morning and saying the soldiers could open fire if their lives or those of the people they protect would be in danger. Obviously I guess it's the rules of engagement and you cannot rule out an extreme case... But the timing is :what, like why even talk about it, it's like you're inviting assholes to try something to either get some images of the army retreating from a heated situation or turning the thing into an insurrection firestarter. Especially considering that while there is some violence and casualties, none of the protests could qualify as a full fledged riot endangering lives (though last Saturday the Fire Brigade has to save some people after the protestors torched a bank which was under an apartment building...)

This government has been a total clusterfuck with communication, not a week goes by without the PM or the President coming out and disavowing / "clarifying" something a minister said earlier. I don't know if it's some 4D chess PR strategy but it looks really poor.
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Post by: Occam on March 22, 2019, 12:52:18 PM
Quote from: Rufus on March 22, 2019, 12:12:53 PM
Quote from: Raist on March 22, 2019, 05:25:49 AM
So apparently, Boeing went with a paid DLC model for some of their safety features. What in the fuck.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/21/business/boeing-safety-features-charge.html

Quote
As the pilots of the doomed Boeing jets in Ethiopia and Indonesia fought to control their planes, they lacked two notable safety features in their cockpits.

One reason: Boeing charged extra for them.
That's worse than the software bugs or certification shenanigans I assumed were to blame.

Whoever decided to paywall software safety features on airplanes deserves to go to prison for many years.
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Post by: Raist on March 22, 2019, 02:44:13 PM
https://twitter.com/peterwalker99/status/1109143439776628736

 :lol
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Post by: Nintex on March 22, 2019, 02:59:58 PM
The final count is in and Baudet has won another seat in the province Groningen. Bringing his grand total to 5, equal to the second biggest party in that province.  8)
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Post by: Raist on March 23, 2019, 11:14:05 AM
:dead

https://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/1109451136497537025


https://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/1085493208845557761


https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/exclusive-larry-cat-says-he-could-get-better-brexit-andritsopoulos/
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Post by: Nintex on March 23, 2019, 03:02:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IL2XwSkFJQ

Welp, he's right.
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Post by: Raist on March 23, 2019, 03:32:15 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47678763
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Post by: Nintex on March 23, 2019, 07:41:20 PM
So the cabinet is trying to oust May
https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1109572097980989440 (https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1109572097980989440)

And Gove is trying to undermine the person they want to appoint to replace her
https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1109565474717597697 (https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1109565474717597697)

 :doge
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Post by: Occam on March 23, 2019, 08:03:57 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/22/secret-cabinet-office-document-reveals-chaotic-planning-for-no-deal-brexit
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Post by: Raist on March 24, 2019, 05:51:37 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47678763

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There was no independent verification of the numbers but BBC correspondent Richard Lister, who was at the scene, said it was a "very densely packed" protest and people were still arriving in Parliament Square five hours after the march began.

I love how ecologists have been able to like, since the dawn of time, accurately enumerate counts in large populations by sampling just a tiny area of the whole, but when it comes to protests it's always "it's simply impossible to tell what the real number was :yeshrug" :lol
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Post by: shosta on March 24, 2019, 05:54:24 AM
how dare those people try to suppress the will of the people
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Post by: Raist on March 24, 2019, 07:33:09 AM
omg :dead

(https://i.imgur.com/6oOX0Eql.jpg)

For those who don't know, that's Rees-Mogg, one of the most prominent hard brexiteers and a bigger lying piece of shit than Johnson and Farage combined.
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Post by: Nintex on March 24, 2019, 09:54:18 AM
The coup against May is moving ahead

https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1109766330306174976 (https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1109766330306174976)
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Post by: VomKriege on March 24, 2019, 10:42:24 AM
More than half of patent demands last year were filed in Asia and Xi Jinping is arriving in Paris for an official visit coming from Italy (who signed a deal to enter the Belt & Road initiative) and a stop in the Monaco principality (apparently due to switch to 5G as a test bed).
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Post by: kingv on March 24, 2019, 11:14:00 AM
Interesting they are going to meet at Checkers, when it’s obviously just a knock off Rallys.
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Post by: Raist on March 24, 2019, 11:44:56 AM
Quote from: kingv on March 24, 2019, 11:14:00 AM
Interesting they are going to meet at Checkers

Why, you think Theresa May has better things to do than chill out in her countryside residence for the sunny week-end?
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Post by: Tripon on March 24, 2019, 11:46:06 AM
Should have went to Chili's instead.
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Post by: kingv on March 24, 2019, 01:25:04 PM
Chili’s BBQ Smokehouse Platter is legit no matter what anybody says. And it’s $3 off on Wednesday’s.
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Post by: Nintex on March 24, 2019, 07:41:00 PM
New poll shows Thierry Baudet(FvD) in the lead for the Dutch parliamentary elections as well.

(https://abload.de/img/7f1b3453e7_1p0ppnpktz.jpg)
Thierry now has 2 seats, stands to gain 24.

However we won't have those for a long time unless...

Our government is in a tough position. One of the coalition parties demands that the government passes the climate bill to meet the paris accord or they will stop supporting the coalition and thus the cabinet has to resign triggering elections.
The party that made that threat lost half their seats in the recent election that the FvD won. All will become clear in the next 4 - 6 weeks when the government makes their decision on the climate.

The VVD(biggest party) can either:
- Move to the left significantly and get an electoral beating next election with voters moving to the FvD (VVD is supposed to be a rightwing party but they've moved left for this coalition government)
- Move to the right and lose support for their current government which triggers an early election which the FvD will certainly win but not with the margins they could if the VVD moved left

Meanwhile Antifa is calling for Thierry Baudet (leader of the FvD) to be shot. The left is panicking because Thierry is not only getting votes from Wilders(PVV) and the right but also the hard marxist left (SP).
The right is panicking also because Thierry's party is seen as 'decent' right as opposed to Wilders' 'extreme' right. In fact he's seeking advice from the former leader of the VVD and other political bigwigs.
His party seems willing to compromise and actually govern at a local level, which is something the PVV never did so they were always outcasts.

The strategy of the establishment parties completely backfired. They sorta boosted FvD in favor of the PVV. So Wilders would lose his seats to the FvD.
Wilders lost about 33% of support to the FvD already but what they didn't count on was that their parties (across the left and right) would be equally drained by this new political force.

Just imagine how much the establishment parties (especially the left) fucked up when ordinary workers voted for a guy that plays Bach, Wagner and Mozart, speaks Latin in parliament and enjoys reading books and sniffing lavender.
This is no Trump that pretends to be 'one of them', he's doing the exact opposite as a self-proclaimed intellectual.

There's also the European elections in May. Which are so close that FvD is poised to send a massive delegation to Brussels as well. And turn-out for EU elections is low and campaign efforts by the other parties minimal.
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Post by: benjipwns on March 24, 2019, 08:24:57 PM
Quote from: kingv on March 24, 2019, 11:14:00 AM
Interesting they are going to meet at Checkers, when it’s obviously just a knock off Rallys.
It's the same company. :bolo
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Post by: hungrynoob on March 24, 2019, 08:40:00 PM
i look forward to leaving the EU.
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Post by: kingv on March 24, 2019, 08:47:29 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 24, 2019, 08:24:57 PM
Quote from: kingv on March 24, 2019, 11:14:00 AM
Interesting they are going to meet at Checkers, when it’s obviously just a knock off Rallys.
It's the same company. :bolo

 :ohhh

Both are pretty bad. Nothing is as trash tier as cookout.
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Post by: benjipwns on March 24, 2019, 09:14:46 PM
The last time I went to a Rally's a guy in a purple glitter car pulled up and yelled at these women in line "whores! where's my burgers at?" :american
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Post by: Tripon on March 24, 2019, 10:15:33 PM
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1109958313029107713
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 25, 2019, 01:41:51 AM
Quote from: Nintex on March 24, 2019, 07:41:00 PM
Blablabla

The right wing workers dont care if you are gay (fortuyn) have an immigrant wife (trump, wilders) or if you listen to classical music (baudet)  or don't eat meat (hitler) mate.

If you promise to kick out the foreigners, close borders etc you get their vote.

Just another charlatan.
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Post by: Raist on March 25, 2019, 05:10:43 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47683059


Quote
Environment Secretary Michael Gove told reporters it was "not the time to change the captain of the ship".

And the PM's de facto deputy David Lidington insisted he was "100% behind" Mrs May.


But the coup.
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Post by: Raist on March 25, 2019, 06:00:01 AM
Petition to revoke A50 is now above 5.4M signatures. Not that the government will not ignore it, but still.

Unsurprisingly, the hot spots are large cities, and the Cambridge and Oxford areas.
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Post by: VomKriege on March 25, 2019, 06:07:50 AM
I think repelling or having a second vote may be a problem, because if Remains prevails it will have shades of the 2005 EU Constitution trash fire. I'm not sure the EU needs anymore obvious snobs of popular will.

Brexit needs to go to its bitter end, the sooner the better.
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Post by: VomKriege on March 25, 2019, 11:35:45 AM
France voted to privatize the Paris Airport company (manages Orly and Roissy CDG). The vote was conducted at 6am after the debate for the day was prolonged, with 27 votes for and 15 against (the full Assembly is 577 MPs). It is, IIRC, a timed concession.

The National Lottery is supposed to be next, and the public share in the former gas utility monopoly could be sold in part.

After the scandalous privatization of highways some years back, another round of profitable ventures being sold on the cheap for short term gains.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 25, 2019, 11:41:33 AM
I think it's time to hold a Brexexit vote, where Brits get to decide whether to leave or remain in the Brexit.
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Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2019, 11:45:39 AM
you can have a quorum with 42 members?
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Post by: VomKriege on March 25, 2019, 11:51:01 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 25, 2019, 11:45:39 AM
you can have a quorum with 42 members?

No quorum on ordinary votes, if I am to believe the press answering that question.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on March 25, 2019, 12:27:23 PM
Is there a Brexit porn parody yet? Brexxxit?
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Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2019, 12:31:43 PM
https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/vbg33x/this-brexit-themed-porno-made-me-think-long-and-hard-about-myself

(https://video-images.vice.com/articles/593ab051e79c9f5e04606c80/lede/1497018514667-LineUp.jpeg?crop=1xw%3A0.9563xh%3B0xw%2C0.0159xh&resize=2000%3A*)
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Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2019, 12:33:48 PM
gladimhere putitin couldn't look any less glad to be there :lol
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Post by: Great Rumbler on March 25, 2019, 12:52:46 PM
Yooo, that came out all the way back in 2017? It's high time for a sequel, I say!
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Post by: team filler on March 25, 2019, 12:53:17 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Rnvoxmv.png) :lol
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Post by: Raist on March 25, 2019, 12:53:53 PM
So given that the EU has more or less given their ultimatum to the UK, British MPs surely must be leaving the shit-flinging in the HoC aside, to focus on g-

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Conservative MP Crispin Blunt says the PM has taken a no-deal Brexit off the table, having "listened to a remainer Parliament".

He suggests her statement "will represent the most shameful surrender by a British leader since Singapore in 1942", a remark greeted with consternation by some on the Conservative benches.

Never mind, keep calm and carry on.
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Post by: Tripon on March 25, 2019, 12:56:29 PM
https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1110197225450323968

 :doge
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Post by: Tripon on March 25, 2019, 01:08:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8gZkDqTxi8

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Theresa May has ruled out a third Commons vote on her Brexit deal on Tuesday.

She tells MPs there is not enough support in Parliament at the moment for another meaningful vote, but she continues to have discussions with MPs to see if they can be convinced to vote for the deal.

In her statement to MPs, she says that the EU Council has reiterated again that there "could be no re-opening of the withdrawal agreement".

The UK has an extension to 11pm on the 12th of April, she says, in the event that no deal is agreed by Parliament.

Any further extension, and the UK will need to take part in elections for the European parliament.

 :lol
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Post by: Tripon on March 25, 2019, 03:00:40 PM
Somebody explain it to a dumb american like me. I get that the best 'Brexit' deal currently possible is the one May is pushing but, it's clear that nobody likes it. So why is May still pushing it without major changes?
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Post by: Raist on March 25, 2019, 03:01:34 PM
Because she can't change it, the EU won't agree to anything else.
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Post by: shosta on March 25, 2019, 03:42:41 PM
I think he's asking why she doesn't just lead the country and end brexit.
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Post by: Brehvolution on March 25, 2019, 03:49:25 PM
Brexit is the Theranos of governing.
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Post by: Nintex on March 25, 2019, 04:13:51 PM
Quote from: shosta on March 25, 2019, 03:42:41 PM
I think he's asking why she doesn't just lead the country and end brexit.
Because she was never supposed to lead the country.  :doge
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Post by: Tripon on March 25, 2019, 04:58:21 PM
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1110283459577212928

welp
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Post by: team filler on March 25, 2019, 05:03:48 PM
https://twitter.com/Paper8oy/status/1110284374094897152

https://twitter.com/LeeJayXOX/status/1110285665667674112
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Post by: Nintex on March 25, 2019, 05:05:08 PM
In Thierry Baudet news. Our PM published an op-ed in the biggest newspaper this morning calling for an end to threats on his life.
Plus the antifa radical was arrested today for threatening him.

Good news all around.

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Post by: Raist on March 25, 2019, 06:08:35 PM
Another one bites the dust.

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1110299376491118593
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Post by: Tripon on March 25, 2019, 06:23:52 PM
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1110305236403527680

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MPs have defied the government and voted in favor of an amendment that gives them control of parliament's agenda this Wednesday. The passage of the Letwin amendment allows lawmakers to hold a series of indicative votes on various alternative Brexit options.

Lawmakers could vote on as many as seven different options -- which might include a second referendum, crashing out with no deal and a Norway-style deal with the EU -- which would give the UK full access to the single market and the European Free Trade area. The votes are non-binding.
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Post by: nachobro on March 25, 2019, 06:43:56 PM
the government is May's people, basically the executive branch except they can draft laws. parliament is the oversight of the government and they also approve laws drafted by the government.
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Post by: Raist on March 25, 2019, 06:44:18 PM
Government = Executive = PM + Ministers.

Parliament = Legislative = MPs.

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2019/3/25/b3c04037-0918-4b85-883c-be69975ff0ec.png)
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Post by: Nintex on March 25, 2019, 06:54:41 PM
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The votes are non-binding.
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Final Numbers include on Conservative MP voting in both lobbies
:lol

In other news. It seems like the climate deal will be voted down in Brussels tommorow.
Merkel doesn't want to risk the EU falling apart under her watch and is said to be voting with Poland and other Eastern European countries against the climate accord.
The climate accord basically means that all EU nations need to be Carbon Neutral by 2050.
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Post by: Raist on March 25, 2019, 07:01:18 PM
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2019/3/25/5fb41795-4d7c-4357-9c22-cc632482da16.png)


Theresa May rn:

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Post by: Nintex on March 25, 2019, 07:14:02 PM
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1110315218805157888 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1110315218805157888)

 :lol

Bercow should be prime minister  :gbcry
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Post by: hungrynoob on March 25, 2019, 09:50:19 PM
Bercow is a DS puppet.
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Post by: Raist on March 26, 2019, 03:23:34 AM
Another two of May's ministers have resigned after defying the whip yesterday :lol
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Post by: agrajag on March 26, 2019, 10:07:26 AM
https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1110436416251678722

huge if true
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Post by: Kunai With Chain on March 26, 2019, 10:37:11 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-47708144

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The European Parliament has backed controversial copyright laws critics say could change the nature of the net.

The new rules include holding technology companies responsible for material posted without proper copyright permission.
Many musicians and creators say the new rules will compensate artists fairly - but others say they will destroy user-generated content.

The two clauses causing the most controversy are known as Article 11 and Article 13.

Article 11 states that search engines and news aggregate platforms should pay to use links from news websites.
Article 13 holds larger technology companies responsible for material posted without a copyright licence.

It means they would need to apply filters to content before it is uploaded.

Can't wait until EU is suing the Bore because Nintex posted some copyrighted meme.
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Post by: Mollys Fruity Loops on March 26, 2019, 11:37:29 AM
Thank fuck for Brexit  ::)
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Post by: Rufus on March 26, 2019, 01:28:41 PM
The UK could have thrown a spanner in the works, but no, you had to take your ball and go home. :goty2
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Post by: Nintex on March 26, 2019, 02:52:26 PM
Quote from: Kunai With Chain on March 26, 2019, 10:37:11 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-47708144

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The European Parliament has backed controversial copyright laws critics say could change the nature of the net.

The new rules include holding technology companies responsible for material posted without proper copyright permission.
Many musicians and creators say the new rules will compensate artists fairly - but others say they will destroy user-generated content.

The two clauses causing the most controversy are known as Article 11 and Article 13.

Article 11 states that search engines and news aggregate platforms should pay to use links from news websites.
Article 13 holds larger technology companies responsible for material posted without a copyright licence.

It means they would need to apply filters to content before it is uploaded.

Can't wait until EU is suing the Bore because Nintex posted some copyrighted meme.
This is why the EU is fucking useless.

Enacting laws written by massive lobby firms on subjects they have no clue about.
And always applauding themselves when something as horrible as this is 'passed'.
See also the GDPR.

Guess in 2021 we wil switch to anti EU memes only  :heyman
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Post by: Rufus on March 26, 2019, 03:10:01 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 26, 2019, 02:52:26 PM
Enacting laws written by massive lobby firms on subjects they have no clue about.
I have bad news for you. :doge
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Post by: Raist on March 26, 2019, 04:24:06 PM
The BBC's Brexit chart is getting better by the minute.

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/F6CA/production/_106187136_brexit_flowchart_next_steps_26_march_v4_-3x640-nc.png)
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Post by: Nintex on March 26, 2019, 04:44:34 PM
Quote from: Raist on March 26, 2019, 04:24:06 PM
The BBC's Brexit chart is getting better by the minute.

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/F6CA/production/_106187136_brexit_flowchart_next_steps_26_march_v4_-3x640-nc.png)
Next week they will be at a scenario not on this chart.
"1922 committee receives letter of intent to challenge Theresa May for leadership position before a next general election takes place in case of a no-deal Brexit?" Y -> Jacob Rees-Mogg Prime Minister / N -> Theresa May left in charge to plan next meaningful vote
"Jeremy Corbyn replaced by sex dwarf that impersonates John Bercow" FAIL -> ORDER and possible meaningful vote on Theresa May Brexit deal / Success -> NO ORDER, equal rights for sex dwarfs in parliament but any votes may be postponed until apologies are made to John Bercow"
"Chief mouser Whiskers send to Brussels" Y -> Brexit postponed until July 2021 / N -> no-deal Brexit takes place May 1st
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Post by: Raist on March 26, 2019, 05:05:31 PM
The Chief Mouser's name is Larry, you muppet.
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Post by: Nintex on March 26, 2019, 06:17:18 PM
https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1110662716463693824 (https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1110662716463693824)

Only Jeremy Corbyn can manage to be more unpopular than May.

Jesus christ  :lol
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Post by: Nintex on March 26, 2019, 06:44:09 PM
https://twitter.com/PaddySisyphus/status/1110635861841006594 (https://twitter.com/PaddySisyphus/status/1110635861841006594)

LMAO
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Post by: Raist on March 26, 2019, 06:53:35 PM
KGM is a massive twat tho.
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Post by: Rufus on March 27, 2019, 12:53:58 AM
Quote from: Nintex on March 26, 2019, 06:17:18 PM
https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1110662716463693824 (https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1110662716463693824)

Only Jeremy Corbyn can manage to be more unpopular than May.

Jesus christ  :lol
Tweet deleted. :idont
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Post by: curly on March 27, 2019, 01:37:24 AM
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/26/706950699/north-korean-embassy-attack-suspects-fled-to-u-s-spanish-court-says (https://www.npr.org/2019/03/26/706950699/north-korean-embassy-attack-suspects-fled-to-u-s-spanish-court-says)
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In the afternoon of Feb. 22, the statement says, Hong Chang asked to see the business supervisor at the embassy before letting the rest of the group in. Upon entry, the group started to "violently hit staff members until they were able to tie them up and blindfold them," the judge says.

One woman held in the embassy was able to escape out of a first-floor window and asked for help, according to the statement. Neighbors heard her and called the police, who then knocked on the embassy door and attempted to talk to those inside. Hong Chang allegedly opened the door, wearing a North Korean pin, and told police that everything was in order.

weird shit

and from another story:

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   As described in a report by judge José de la Mata of Spain’s Audiencia Nacional, the leader of the commando-style group, who is a Mexican citizen living in the US and was identified as Adrián Hong Chang, then flew to Newark, New Jersey.

Several days later he contacted the FBI to offer information about the incident as well as information from the electronics taken.

Mr Hong Chang reportedly also carried an Italian driver’s licence in the name of Matthew Chao — and had an Uber account in the name of Oswaldo Trump.

https://www.ft.com/content/2e402884-4ff5-11e9-9c76-bf4a0ce37d49 (https://www.ft.com/content/2e402884-4ff5-11e9-9c76-bf4a0ce37d49)
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Post by: benjipwns on March 27, 2019, 01:44:14 AM
"Oswaldo Trump, an illegitimate son Donald Trump fathered after a trip to Costa Rica once"
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Post by: VomKriege on March 27, 2019, 04:25:13 AM
The Algerian Army Chief of Staff went on TV for an allocution and said that Bouteflika should be impeached by the Constitutional Council on grounds of him being incapacitated. This could lead to his destitution within two months. Bouteflika's voice hasn't been heard since late 2014.

Algerians want more, however, and will continue to protest if the reporting is accurate.
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Post by: Raist on March 27, 2019, 01:48:50 PM
Here we gooooooooo.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47725529


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Theresa May has promised Tory MPs she will stand down if they back her EU withdrawal deal.

The PM said she would not stay in power for the next phase of Brexit talks on the future trading relationship, at a meeting of the 1922 committee.

But she did not set a firm departure date, according to Tory MPs who were at the meeting.

It comes as MPs seize control of the Commons agenda to hold votes on alternatives to the deal.
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Post by: VomKriege on March 27, 2019, 01:58:18 PM
So now we have to manage a Mayxit into the Brexit.
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Post by: Mandark on March 27, 2019, 02:18:42 PM
Might just be my American frame of reference, but May seems to be in a similar spot to where John Boehner was. She's in charge of a nominal majority but there's a hardline faction that won't back any deal that's acceptable to her negotiating partner (Obama's the EU in this). The obvious solution would be to make up for those votes by compromising with the opposition party, but she's refused to do that.

If she steps down and that's still the dynamic as they move on to the next set of talks, doesn't that just lead to the same type of dysfunction with someone else at the head?
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Post by: Raist on March 27, 2019, 02:21:59 PM
:dead


https://twitter.com/Independent/status/990163298355236869
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Post by: Kunai With Chain on March 27, 2019, 02:24:55 PM
How is it acceptable to vote in favour of the exact same deal you've rejected twice before just because this time it'll result in a change of leadership? Parliamentary systems can seem like such a fuck up.
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Post by: Raist on March 27, 2019, 02:41:20 PM
I am shocked.

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1110973070657896449
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Post by: shosta on March 27, 2019, 03:35:32 PM
Didn't he exclude himself once push came to shove last time? Or did Michael Give betray him? I don't remember the plot

Btw Vom, I'm predicting military rule in Algeria.
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Post by: VomKriege on March 27, 2019, 04:04:19 PM
Quote from: shosta on March 27, 2019, 03:35:32 PM
Didn't he exclude himself once push came to shove last time? Or did Michael Give betray him? I don't remember the plot

Btw Vom, I'm predicting military rule in Algeria.

I'm more optimistic and I don't think the "military" (to use a bit of a shortcut though a number of prime movers are high officers and security services) will rule more than they do now. The people already obtained once a liberalisation of the system thirty years ago, which went off the rails immediately with the civil war that followed obviously, but that's to say that it's a longstanding wish that was only put on a backburner by the population under the duress of horrific atrocities.

The country has a lot of issues (economically, for one, unemployment is a major problem. Renewing the political personnel is another.) but I think it is politically mature enough that it may transition to multipartism peacefully without having to tear down the FLN.
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Post by: VomKriege on March 27, 2019, 04:14:42 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 27, 2019, 02:18:42 PM
Might just be my American frame of reference, but May seems to be in a similar spot to where John Boehner was. She's in charge of a nominal majority but there's a hardline faction that won't back any deal that's acceptable to her negotiating partner (Obama's the EU in this). The obvious solution would be to make up for those votes by compromising with the opposition party, but she's refused to do that.

If she steps down and that's still the dynamic as they move on to the next set of talks, doesn't that just lead to the same type of dysfunction with someone else at the head?

I'll let Brits confirm but I don't think she had anything to reach to as Labour is under the same sort of inner contradictions about Europe and the rest.

Maybe if Parliament had directed negotiations from the start they would have had time to swallow the deal as something more palatable ? But really the UK shot itself in the foot with delusional expectations for a negociation they had barely any leverage in for bargaining.
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Post by: Raist on March 27, 2019, 05:50:09 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47728333

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Brexit deadlock: None of MPs' proposed options secures clear backing in Commons vote


 :rofl
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Post by: Rufus on March 27, 2019, 05:55:02 PM
Quote from: Raist on March 27, 2019, 02:21:59 PM
:dead


https://twitter.com/Independent/status/990163298355236869
The results of "superior breeding." :tophat
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Post by: Raist on March 27, 2019, 06:29:23 PM
https://twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/1111030655398436864
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Post by: Nintex on March 27, 2019, 07:59:02 PM
Brexit:  :hmph
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Post by: Tripon on March 27, 2019, 09:27:18 PM
https://twitter.com/business/status/1111040215790116864
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 28, 2019, 12:42:54 AM
Clusterfuck lol

I really hope they pass Mayd deal so Britain can be our bitch with no voting rights
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Post by: Raist on March 28, 2019, 02:56:29 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-47705334

When opera singers troll brexiteers :lol

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An opera singer was asked to change her EU flag themed dress for a concert at London's Royal Albert Hall.

British soprano Anna Patalong sang in six performances of the Classical Spectacular concert from 21 to 24 March.

On Saturday, Patalong wore a sash and necklace featuring EU stars.


[...]


The show's finale creates an atmosphere similar to that at Last Night of the Proms, and features patriotic songs like Rule Britannia.

Patalong's dress was not the only way in which she showed her support for the EU during Saturday's concert.

Her husband shared a video of the soprano briefly singing the lyrics of Rule Britannia to the tune of Beethoven's Ode to Joy, which is the basis of the EU's Anthem of Europe.

:dead
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Post by: Potato on March 28, 2019, 03:28:36 AM
Anyone care about Australian politics?

NSW state election result was interesting.

Although I still think the Libs are fucked at the upcoming federal election, I don't think it will be the massive wipeout that it was looking a few months ago.

Shorten remains an unpopular choice and is the biggest weight dragging Labor down.

Will be the first election for me for a long time where I don't care too much who gets in. Basically, both options are equally shit.
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Post by: Raist on March 28, 2019, 05:05:31 AM
Quote from: Potato on March 28, 2019, 03:28:36 AM
Anyone care about Australian politics?

No.

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Post by: Brehvolution on March 28, 2019, 08:35:16 AM
Is it coincidental how the clusterfuck of politics in the UK, USA, and Australia all have one thing in common?

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Large Murdoch media presence
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Post by: kingv on March 28, 2019, 12:03:03 PM
The UK is going to crash out of the EU with no plan... but I look forward to the endless interviews with working class British men where they say shit like “We made it through the 100 years war and it ended up all right. So We just gotta hang tough until the jobs come back and Bobs your uncle!” And then talk about how they don’t regret their Brexit vote even though they’ve been out of work for 2 months.
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Post by: Nintex on March 28, 2019, 02:46:25 PM
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1111325424066404352 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1111325424066404352)

lmao
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Post by: Brehvolution on March 28, 2019, 02:47:39 PM
Not so funny now the link is dead.  :maf
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Post by: Nintex on March 28, 2019, 03:15:45 PM
Bojo has told MP's that May's deal is dead anyway.

DUP won't vote with the government. So even if ALL the tories vote 'for' (which they won't), it won't be passed.
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Post by: Raist on March 28, 2019, 04:06:38 PM
Quote from: Brehvolution on March 28, 2019, 08:35:16 AM
Is it coincidental how the clusterfuck of politics in the UK, USA, and Australia all have one thing in common?

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Large Murdoch media presence
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Or you know, speaking english.
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Post by: shosta on March 28, 2019, 04:19:03 PM
I just read up on Common Market 2.0.

- Join EFTA
- Adopt all of the EU's regulations without having any say in them
- Still have to pay around 66% of what they were paying to the EU
- Still require freedom of movement
- POSSIBLY get the freedom of movement clause exempted for the UK which would be justified because... ???

"I want to sacrifice my right to vote in the EU so that we can gamble on thin odds that we'll be able to shut our borders down to Turks in the future" :neogaf
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Post by: Potato on March 28, 2019, 04:29:25 PM
Quote from: Raist on March 28, 2019, 04:06:38 PM
Quote from: Brehvolution on March 28, 2019, 08:35:16 AM
Is it coincidental how the clusterfuck of politics in the UK, USA, and Australia all have one thing in common?

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Large Murdoch media presence
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Or you know, speaking english.
Or you know, significant adoption of social media.
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Post by: Rufus on March 28, 2019, 04:51:24 PM
I blame FPTP for the US' and UK's issues. :hmph

Dunno what's going on with you Aussies though.
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Post by: Raist on March 28, 2019, 05:36:07 PM
They use instant run-off, AFAIK.
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Post by: Mandark on March 28, 2019, 05:39:34 PM
Quote from: Rufus on March 28, 2019, 04:51:24 PM
I blame FPTP for the US' and UK's issues. :hmph

Dunno what's going on with you Aussies though.

I think it was dcharlie who said, apropos of one of Mel Gibson's outbursts that got him temporarily cancelled, "What's the fuss about? This makes Gibson the least racist Australian I know."
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Post by: Raist on March 28, 2019, 05:58:24 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/banksy-art-brexit-devolved-parliament-bristol-chimps-monkeys-a8844556.html

:lol
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Post by: Potato on March 28, 2019, 06:52:28 PM
Quote from: Rufus on March 28, 2019, 04:51:24 PM
I blame FPTP for the US' and UK's issues. :hmph

Dunno what's going on with you Aussies though.
My personal take is that social media has allowed a proliferation of fringe parties to gain traction.

Our two traditional parties have always been quite close to the centre, but these minor parties have forced them to move further left and right to stop votes leaking off to the crazies.

Leaves the sane and silent majority with difficult choices to make and means that both major parties are left trying to appease the vocal minority and the silent majority gets shafted.


A common thing recently had been a number of hung parliaments, both state and federal, with minor parties holding the balance of power.
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Post by: Dickie Dee on March 28, 2019, 08:38:20 PM
Quote from: Potato on March 28, 2019, 06:52:28 PM
Quote from: Rufus on March 28, 2019, 04:51:24 PM
I blame FPTP for the US' and UK's issues. :hmph

Dunno what's going on with you Aussies though.
My personal take is that social media has allowed a proliferation of fringe parties to gain traction.

Our two traditional parties have always been quite close to the centre, but these minor parties have forced them to move further left and right to stop votes leaking off to the crazies.

Leaves the sane and silent majority with difficult choices to make and means that both major parties are left trying to appease the vocal minority and the silent majority gets shafted.


A common thing recently had been a number of hung parliaments, both state and federal, with minor parties holding the balance of power.

The crazies have been running the GOP since before "weblogs"were even a thing, let alone social media.
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Post by: curly on March 28, 2019, 09:00:16 PM
US and Australia it's settler colonialist societies being settler colonialist societies

UK...hangover from the imperial glory days? The English sucking ass like usual? :idont
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Post by: shosta on March 28, 2019, 09:16:21 PM
they haven't realized they're a rump state yet
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Post by: Dickie Dee on March 28, 2019, 09:36:53 PM
Quote from: curly on March 28, 2019, 09:00:16 PM
US and Australia it's settler colonialist societies being settler colonialist societies

UK...hangover from the imperial glory days? The English sucking ass like usual? :idont

Canada tho - one big diff is that there is no Murdoch media presence there

Can't say much about the dynamics of NZ or say Ireland
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Post by: curly on March 28, 2019, 11:15:49 PM
Things are looking grim in Australia:

https://twitter.com/9NewsGoldCoast/status/1110444869544116224
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Post by: Occam on March 29, 2019, 03:50:48 AM
Brunei (Islamic autocracy) makes gay sex and adultery punishable by death by stoning, starting next week.
What a modern and open minded country.
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Post by: VomKriege on March 29, 2019, 08:46:58 AM
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/03/kamel-daoud-algerias-post-colonial-era-is-over/585958/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/03/kamel-daoud-algerias-post-colonial-era-is-over/585958/)
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 29, 2019, 11:41:13 AM
Quelle surprise 3rd vote fail
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Post by: Kunai With Chain on March 29, 2019, 12:27:16 PM
The gap is narrowing, give it another try Theresa!
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Post by: Kunai With Chain on March 29, 2019, 12:35:36 PM
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1111657158519730178

Oh wait, she is actually doing it. It's like a turd that just won't flush.
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Post by: kingv on March 29, 2019, 01:40:00 PM
Did the EU actually agree to the customs union?
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Post by: Mandark on March 29, 2019, 01:58:51 PM
I don't think that would be a snag.

IIRC Corbyn's alternate plan included a customs union, and Tusk nice things about it.
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Post by: Nintex on March 29, 2019, 02:34:31 PM
Another vote ends in defeat for May.
Now the BBC has to update their Brexit outcome chart again.


https://twitter.com/rhodri/status/1111346365274177537 (https://twitter.com/rhodri/status/1111346365274177537)

https://twitter.com/rhodri/status/1111254719777914881 (https://twitter.com/rhodri/status/1111254719777914881)
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Post by: Raist on March 29, 2019, 02:43:58 PM
Quote from: kingv on March 29, 2019, 01:40:00 PM
Did the EU actually agree to the customs union?

Irrelevant for now - there can't be any discussions on what the future UK-EU relationship will look like until the details of how they'll exit in the first place are settled.

In other words, the whole "indicative vote" business from this week and next is a waste of time currently.
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Post by: Raist on March 29, 2019, 03:00:51 PM
I guess Rees-Mogg and BoJo are starting to pee their pants a little, cause they voted for the WA this time around :lol
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Post by: Nintex on March 29, 2019, 03:01:53 PM
My prediction

- House wants to delay Brexit further
- EU won't budge
- Theresa May resigns to force EU to delay
- Boris takes over as Tory Leader and PM
- Macron / Merkel meet with Boris, agree to delay until after an election is held
- General Election
- Boris beats Corbyn
- House votes "NO" on Brexit withdrawal agreement
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Post by: Raist on March 29, 2019, 03:21:38 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 29, 2019, 03:01:53 PM
My prediction

- House wants to delay Brexit further
- EU won't budge
- Theresa May resigns to force EU to delay
- Boris takes over as Tory Leader and PM
- Macron / Merkel meet with Boris, agree to delay until after an election is held
- General Election
- Boris beats Corbyn
- House votes "NO" on Brexit withdrawal agreement

The EU won't delay anything unless the UK requests a long extension and holds MEP elections. Your prediction makes no sense dude.
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Post by: Nintex on March 29, 2019, 03:35:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEyTLRcNNMU


Quote from: Raist on March 29, 2019, 03:21:38 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 29, 2019, 03:01:53 PM
My prediction

- House wants to delay Brexit further
- EU won't budge
- Theresa May resigns to force EU to delay
- Boris takes over as Tory Leader and PM
- Macron / Merkel meet with Boris, agree to delay until after an election is held
- General Election
- Boris beats Corbyn
- House votes "NO" on Brexit withdrawal agreement

The EU won't delay anything unless the UK requests a long extension and holds MEP elections. Your prediction makes no sense dude.
12th of April is the deadline for Brexit. It can be extended but then all 27 EU countries have to agree.
The EU is already done planning the no deal Brexit and they said that there would be no way for the UK to revoke article 50 on their own (although the EU courts didn't agree on that).
If they want to stick with the EU they will need to re-do the entire membership process as far as Brussels is concerned. Which has certainly gotten more difficult after the Euro crisis.
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Post by: shosta on March 29, 2019, 03:58:55 PM
Ok, today I'm Super Mad about this revisionism from the NYT today.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/29/world/americas/red-cross-venezuela-aid.html

The lies are left as an exercise for the reader.
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Post by: wsippel on March 29, 2019, 06:07:17 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 29, 2019, 03:01:53 PM
My prediction

- House wants to delay Brexit further
- EU won't budge
- Theresa May resigns to force EU to delay
- Boris takes over as Tory Leader and PM
- Macron / Merkel meet with Boris, agree to delay until after an election is held
- General Election
- Boris beats Corbyn
- House votes "NO" on Brexit withdrawal agreement

Let's be totally honest here: Pretty much no politician wants Brexit to happen. Cameron started the shitshow because he was sick and tired of people/ the press constantly bitching about the EU, so he thought a referendum would be some golden bullet to make critics shut up once and for all. It backfired in spectacular and completely unexpected fashion. May doesn't want to leave the EU either, but simply ignoring the referendum looks super fucking bad and will make a ton of people mad. Many Brits still don't get it and still want out, and they're not going to be happy if their government just announces to ignore "the will of the people" and stay. So she has to (pretend to) go through with it, and work out a deal. But it's a farce - the house can't vote for whatever deal she manages to negotiate, or no deal at all, because either decision would still be voting for Brexit, and they know that would be suicide. They know it, May knows it, Brussels know it - everybody knows it. They are between a rock and a hard place. There'll be riots no matter what they do, they'll lose a ton of trust in their government in the UK either way, leaving the EU would fuck the UK over harder than most people could imagine, staying now means they'll be Brussels' bitch for decades. It doesn't even matter what they do anymore, the damage is done. A new referendum or new elections are not really going to help much, no matter the outcome.
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Post by: Nintex on March 29, 2019, 06:37:05 PM
The UK has been slowly falling apart for decades and what saved it was the 'City' or in other words, the tax haven in London propped up by both parties.
Brexit is an effective distraction from the 'real' problems I think. Which are not that different from the problems the heartland in the US and South Europe face.


In other news, Trump might be in power longer than the 'President for life' after all  :doge

https://twitter.com/L0gg0l/status/1111743992738336768 (https://twitter.com/L0gg0l/status/1111743992738336768)
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Post by: Kunai With Chain on March 29, 2019, 06:48:45 PM
Oh wow he is limping, what's the estimated TOD for that? 6 month at best, right?
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Post by: kingv on March 29, 2019, 07:19:59 PM
Quote from: wsippel on March 29, 2019, 06:07:17 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 29, 2019, 03:01:53 PM
My prediction

- House wants to delay Brexit further
- EU won't budge
- Theresa May resigns to force EU to delay
- Boris takes over as Tory Leader and PM
- Macron / Merkel meet with Boris, agree to delay until after an election is held
- General Election
- Boris beats Corbyn
- House votes "NO" on Brexit withdrawal agreement

Let's be totally honest here: Pretty much no politician wants Brexit to happen. Cameron started the shitshow because he was sick and tired of people/ the press constantly bitching about the EU, so he thought a referendum would be some golden bullet to make critics shut up once and for all. It backfired in spectacular and completely unexpected fashion. May doesn't want to leave the EU either, but simply ignoring the referendum looks super fucking bad and will make a ton of people mad. Many Brits still don't get it and still want out, and they're not going to be happy if their government just announces to ignore "the will of the people" and stay. So she has to (pretend to) go through with it, and work out a deal. But it's a farce - the house can't vote for whatever deal she manages to negotiate, or no deal at all, because either decision would still be voting for Brexit, and they know that would be suicide. They know it, May knows it, Brussels know it - everybody knows it. They are between a rock and a hard place. There'll be riots no matter what they do, they'll lose a ton of trust in their government in the UK either way, leaving the EU would fuck the UK over harder than most people could imagine, staying now means they'll be Brussels' bitch for decades. It doesn't even matter what they do anymore, the damage is done. A new referendum or new elections are not really going to help much, no matter the outcome.

The situation reminds me a lot of the TARP votes in the US.

Yeah, you have to eat a shit sandwich, but if the choice is between “ruin the economy for a generation” and “have a bit of a tough election” the choice is obvious.

They very obviously need to come back to Brussels with their hat in their hand. Crashing out will be a disaster. That much is 100% obvious. Purposely causing a recession will not save their electoral chances.
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Post by: Raist on March 30, 2019, 07:53:29 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46064836


A good highlight of the work going on in the major EU countries. Quite the sharp contrast with the UK's ongoing shitshow :lol
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Post by: Nintex on March 30, 2019, 08:43:11 AM
Quote from: Raist on March 30, 2019, 07:53:29 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46064836


A good highlight of the work going on in the major EU countries. Quite the sharp contrast with the UK's ongoing shitshow :lol

Not to mention all the big businesses and jobs moving from the UK to The Netherlands.

how we took over the EU
"You know, what you should do Dave? Reform the EU with me."
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/media/images/75429000/jpg/_75429179_75429175.jpg)

"You know what you should do Marine? Form an anti-EU block with me."
(https://www.euractiv.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2014/05/geert-wilder_marine-le-pen-credit-none.jpeg)

"Solidarity amongst nations? What are you talking about Janis? Just close your hospitals, schools and sell your islands."
(https://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.2085663.1422637869!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_620_330/image.jpg)

"Just tell the US the Russians hacked them and we have the evidence"
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZSFMiw0MUJM/hqdefault.jpg)

"Just have our NATO ambassador tell everyone Putin wants to reform the USSR"
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ydt6KWMNg0s/sddefault.jpg#404_is_fine)

"Don't worry Trump, I'll help you negotiate with NATO"
(https://cdn-04.dagelijksestandaard.nl/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/trumprutte.jpg?x39923)

"Just hold my hand Jean-Claude"
(https://eenvandaag.avrotros.nl/fileadmin/user_upload/Juncker_2.png)

"No worries May, we will give you an extension"
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/10/10/17/3948B90400000578-3830863-image-a-27_1476115427396.jpg)

"Time to blow this joint Mark"
(https://static0.persgroep.net/parool/image/3aefd37f-3f2d-425d-a60d-6a2ce2e8676a?width=664&height=374)
[close]
#TAKEBACKCONTROL
#BORISFORLEADER

Do eeeet  :gbcry
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Post by: Tripon on March 30, 2019, 12:14:04 PM
https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1111938276531884033

Watch out, Piers Morgan on the case.
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Post by: Raist on March 30, 2019, 12:41:33 PM
:badass
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Post by: Nintex on March 30, 2019, 03:05:10 PM
People actively acting against their own interest to prove a point that benefits absololutely no one is the quintessential essence of Brexit.
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Post by: Raist on March 30, 2019, 03:11:08 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47756122


Quote
Theresa May and her cabinet are looking for ways to bring her EU withdrawal agreement back to the Commons for a fourth attempt at winning MPs' backing.

The PM said the UK would need "an alternative way forward" after her plan was defeated by 58 votes on Friday.

MPs from all parties will test support for other options during a second round of "indicative votes" on Monday.

However, Conservative Party chairman Brandon Lewis said the government did not support any of those options.

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn refused to say whether his party would offer an option to remain in the EU during these votes, but said the obvious choice was "a good economic relationship with Europe".


(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lk4lhfpTCB1qjril1o1_250.gif)
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Post by: shosta on March 30, 2019, 03:20:11 PM
If corbyn's secretly been waiting for the right moment to seize the national spotlight and lead the charge to cancel brexit, after everything else has been tried, now is really the time.
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Post by: Nintex on March 30, 2019, 03:30:57 PM
Quote from: shosta on March 30, 2019, 03:20:11 PM
If corbyn's secretly been waiting for the right moment to seize the national spotlight and lead the charge to cancel brexit complain about jam packed trains, after everything else has been tried, now is really not the time.
And that is exactly what Jeremy Corbyn will do.
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Post by: Nintex on March 30, 2019, 05:01:13 PM
Quote from: Esch on March 30, 2019, 03:59:30 PM
https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/03/29/asia/churchill-bengal-famine-intl-scli-gbr/

:rejoice what a piece of shit.
Meanwhile on Alt-Earth
"Japanese India celebrates 76th anniversary of victory over English occupiers and honors last remaining German veteran of Operation Sea Lion"

People now look back saying: "Just look at how bad Roosevelt and Churchill were! War Criminals!" can you imagine what the outcome would've been had they not made those life and death decisions and sacrifices?
Germany sunk many of those food transports which were literally the lifeline of the UK. Without the Brits the lack of artic convoy's would've denied the Russians the vehicles, materials and food they needed and the UK would've been occupied denying the allies of the staging ground needed to launch D-Day.

"Booh, they fed their armies!" . What do you think the Germans did? Distribute it evenly among the Reich?

Churchill did what he had to do to keep the allies in the fight for another day. Had he not it would've ended in Axis victory in WWII or the US would've nuked much more than just 2 Japanese cities.
Talking about Japan an India occupied by Imperial Japan would've been much like occupied China. The death rate would've been far higher.
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Post by: shosta on March 30, 2019, 05:56:37 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 30, 2019, 05:01:13 PM
"Booh, they fed their armies!" . What do you think the Germans did? Distribute it evenly among the Reich?
we should look to the nazis for our moral baseline :heart
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Post by: Nintex on March 30, 2019, 07:41:43 PM
I just think it's pretty dumb to in hindsight judge people that are long dead and prevented the world for turning into an eternal fascist hell hole for their actions.
But I guess we need to defecate on one of the biggest heroes of all time to feel morally superior.

 :idont
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Post by: Mandark on March 30, 2019, 08:35:10 PM
For a dude who's always whining that the EU is too far removed from the people it governs and burdens them with rules that aren't in their best interest, you're sure defensive about a literal imperialist power starving millions of its conquered subjects to death.
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Post by: curly on March 30, 2019, 08:47:59 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 30, 2019, 07:41:43 PM
I just think it's pretty dumb to in hindsight judge people that are long dead and prevented the world for turning into an eternal fascist hell hole for their actions.

 ??? But we aren't talking about the soviets, we're talking about Churchill?
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Post by: shosta on March 30, 2019, 08:50:07 PM
No one is faultless or above scrutiny and the death toll in Bangladesh isn't justifiable at all. Great Britain could have imported more goods from the US.
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Post by: kingv on March 30, 2019, 09:20:13 PM
They probably tried to send some spotted dick down to India, and they were like “nah, we’re good, king”
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Post by: Raist on March 31, 2019, 05:27:49 AM
Chruchill, a hero?

:lol
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Post by: Nintex on March 31, 2019, 01:32:54 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1112400581728047111 (https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1112400581728047111)
Yasssss  8)

Quote
At a Soviet-era circus theatre just days before Ukraine's presidential election, the frontrunner in the race held his audience rapt with a mix of boob jokes and vaguely patriotic songs. 
The era of dankness continues.  :birb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ButJOHxLEi0
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Post by: Tripon on March 31, 2019, 01:56:20 PM
https://twitter.com/SimonOstrovsky/status/1112410619477716994

(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/2d/ea/9a/2dea9a683b45462acffabeba8322008d--yulia-tymoshenko-politicians.jpg)

She's back.
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Post by: Nintex on March 31, 2019, 02:11:29 PM
And still corrupt af  :lol
Quote
According to the Tymoshenko team’s exit polls she got 20.9 and Poroshenko got 17.5.

https://twitter.com/olliecarroll/status/1112405497498533890 (https://twitter.com/olliecarroll/status/1112405497498533890)

LMAO cry moar

https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1112415836126486530 (https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1112415836126486530)
Tymoshenko told Zelensky she would support him in exchange for the PM slot.
He didn't take the offer.  :lol
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Post by: shosta on March 31, 2019, 02:25:34 PM
So... why don't they just leave Northern Ireland in the single market? That's what the EU offered. No hard border and the rest of May's deal gives brexiters everything they want. Northern Ireland voted Remain anyway.
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Post by: Kunai With Chain on March 31, 2019, 03:11:35 PM
DUP is against it. For reasons.
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Post by: Raist on March 31, 2019, 03:14:02 PM
Quote from: shosta on March 31, 2019, 02:25:34 PM
So... why don't they just leave Northern Ireland in the single market? That's what the EU offered. No hard border and the rest of May's deal gives brexiters everything they want. Northern Ireland voted Remain anyway.


Because something something UNITED kingdom something something reunification of Ireland.
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Post by: Tripon on March 31, 2019, 05:37:24 PM
Quote from: Kunai With Chain on March 31, 2019, 03:11:35 PM
DUP is against it. For reasons.

The minute you let North Ireland leave, Scotland is going to force a 2nd referendum on Scottish Independence. The United Kingdom sans North Ireland and Scotland doesn't sound as nice.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Tripon on March 31, 2019, 05:38:11 PM
https://twitter.com/EllenBarryNYT/status/1112379085311881216
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Post by: Nintex on March 31, 2019, 06:01:27 PM
What the people voted for:
Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

- Remain a member of the European Union
- Leave the European Union*

What was in the fine print


*and enjoy an unspecified duration of party politics and government infighting that achieves nothing?
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Post by: Raist on April 01, 2019, 02:07:20 PM
https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/1112756332564750336
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Post by: Raist on April 01, 2019, 03:03:07 PM
:teehee

https://twitter.com/CER_EU/status/1111915972632420353

 :teehee
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Post by: VomKriege on April 01, 2019, 03:16:08 PM
Bouteflika on the way out this month.

Renault-Nissan notified to justice that they had suspect money transfers to Oman dating back to former CEO Carlos Ghosn (destituted after his arrest in Japan on charge of misappropriated millions from the company, including a lavish wedding at the Versailles Palace without paying for the location). Who knows how deep this pit of fuckery goes.
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Post by: Nintex on April 01, 2019, 03:46:20 PM
Soooo what's the latest on Brexit?
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1112742431064236032 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1112742431064236032)

oh

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1112749714615820289 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1112749714615820289)

I see
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Post by: Raist on April 01, 2019, 03:52:54 PM
They;re not voting on H either, Bercow shot it down too.
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Post by: Nintex on April 01, 2019, 03:59:52 PM
And they're not pleased so they're just writing their own options on the ballots.  :doge

https://twitter.com/DavidTCDavies/status/1112797607682822145 (https://twitter.com/DavidTCDavies/status/1112797607682822145)
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Post by: Raist on April 01, 2019, 04:02:58 PM
 :crybaby
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Post by: Tripon on April 01, 2019, 04:03:50 PM
Quote from: Nintex on April 01, 2019, 03:59:52 PM
And they're not pleased so they're just writing their own options on the ballots.  :doge

https://twitter.com/DavidTCDavies/status/1112797607682822145 (https://twitter.com/DavidTCDavies/status/1112797607682822145)

What is a WTO Brexit? World Trade Organization?
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Post by: Raist on April 01, 2019, 04:05:01 PM
It basically is no-deal.

But since that one lost by like 400 to 150 last week, they're trying to pretend it's different.
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Post by: shosta on April 01, 2019, 04:18:08 PM
Can someone explain to me how staying in the customs union without freedom of movement will be possible; if you can get all the benefits of free trade without opening your borders, why should any country stay in the EU? And if it's not possible, what's the point?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Occam on April 01, 2019, 04:33:01 PM
Quote from: shosta on April 01, 2019, 04:18:08 PM
Can someone explain to me how staying in the customs union without freedom of movement will be possible; if you can get all the benefits of free trade without opening your borders, why should any country stay in the EU? And if it's not possible, what's the point?

It's not possible. You need to understand that these people are very very stupid.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: shosta on April 01, 2019, 04:33:54 PM
:notlikethis
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Raist on April 01, 2019, 05:11:11 PM
Indicative votes results:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMESRatAG04
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: kingv on April 01, 2019, 05:12:03 PM
It’s like fantasy Brexit.

They should just put some deal on the table to vote for that’s not actually one of the possible deals but is really really good.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 01, 2019, 05:14:46 PM
Quote from: shosta on April 01, 2019, 04:18:08 PM
Can someone explain to me how staying in the customs union without freedom of movement will be possible; if you can get all the benefits of free trade without opening your borders, why should any country stay in the EU? And if it's not possible, what's the point?

Most countries actually want free movement of people becauae they are not dumb
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Raist on April 01, 2019, 05:31:04 PM
https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1112828931818881025
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Tripon on April 01, 2019, 05:34:30 PM
https://twitter.com/Brexit/status/1112827512264876033

Bloomberg getting the Brexit account is some late stage capitalism.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Nintex on April 01, 2019, 05:59:45 PM
 :lol

These motions are also entirely pointless because most of these proposals would be rejected by the EU anyway.


Also, if you think Labour is anything more organized than the conservatives
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1112829389731979264 (https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1112829389731979264)

And that actually lost them the vote  :lol
https://twitter.com/jr33rpm/status/1112826522988154885 (https://twitter.com/jr33rpm/status/1112826522988154885)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: kingv on April 01, 2019, 06:48:41 PM
“Look we do the common market 2.0. We still pay the EU dues, and we don’t get to vote on EU policies, but were free from the tyranny of red passports.”
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Nintex on April 01, 2019, 07:10:29 PM
"Maybe if we make it look like a television drama it would seem less of a shit show  :thinking"

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1112810120621129728 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1112810120621129728)

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1112815884085555200 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1112815884085555200)

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1112822107421925376 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1112822107421925376)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Raist on April 02, 2019, 12:18:12 AM
Summary of the HoC taking back control

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://i.imgur.com/Ikvt33r.jpg)
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Raist on April 02, 2019, 12:20:11 PM
 :stahp :notlikethis


https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1113101530276790272
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Raist on April 02, 2019, 01:12:25 PM
Statement from Theresa May.

"I am taking action to break the deadlock."

Meaning, she publicly offered to sit down with Corbyn to try and come up with something together.


 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Nintex on April 02, 2019, 01:33:46 PM
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1113127126419505152 (https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1113127126419505152)

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1113129409639342080 (https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1113129409639342080)

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1113128182322954240 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1113128182322954240)

:rofl
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Rufus on April 02, 2019, 01:39:05 PM
Last ditch effort to have someone else hold the bag for their own mess. Good show.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Nintex on April 02, 2019, 01:58:19 PM
Now the conservatives are angry, the government supporters are angry and Labous is angry.

Plus:
https://twitter.com/carldinnen/status/1113134384910143488 (https://twitter.com/carldinnen/status/1113134384910143488)

Corbyn probably wants to push for a new general election like he has before.
And even if May and Corbyn agree, it is unlikely their parties will as the big issue is that there is no consensus in both parties let alone between the two parties.  :doge

And we're off!

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1113141894941376515 (https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1113141894941376515)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - This thread monitored for Article 13 violations
Post by: Nintex on April 02, 2019, 04:44:39 PM
Theresa May starts the negotiation with 6 knifes in her back and 2 bullets in her knees as Boris launches his bid for PM.

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1113166143873847296 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1113166143873847296)

Her cabinet is against her too

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1113153249253711872 (https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1113153249253711872)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 02, 2019, 06:10:44 PM
May is toast

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1113188388750864384 (https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1113188388750864384)

https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1113184348713496576 (https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1113184348713496576)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 02, 2019, 07:40:56 PM
The lack of leadership from the Queen is really disappointing.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: kingv on April 02, 2019, 08:06:28 PM
Go off queen.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Kunai With Chain on April 02, 2019, 09:49:51 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47754193
Quote
Canada's prime minister has kicked two MPs from his party's caucus after they accused him of meddling in a criminal case involving an influential company.
How has he handled this whole fiasco so poorly only couple of months from elections? It's gonna be a doozy when the conservatives stroll through the next parliament, because I don't think this will blow over in time.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 03, 2019, 02:17:34 AM
Leadsom with the genius plans :lol

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1113185072037941249
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 03, 2019, 04:32:19 AM
This is going to go well.

https://twitter.com/AliBunkallSKY/status/1113352300037398528
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on April 03, 2019, 04:42:28 AM
I need a voxsplainer on where Corbyn's unpopularity comes from. Afaict it's because of 1) some bs allegations of antisemitism, 2) bonafide socialism and 3) he's not a pigfucking jingo fascist.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 03, 2019, 04:57:18 AM
It's a mix of the usual right-leaning tabloid trashing him, but also some of his positions aren't particularly popular with his own voter base.

He wasn't exactly subtle about not giving a shit about Remain, while labour voters were in favour of it (something like 65% IIRC).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 03, 2019, 05:25:31 AM
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust

https://twitter.com/nadams/status/1113359638769164289
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 03, 2019, 05:36:58 AM
I was bored (:teehee).

Oooooh, let's go

May walks warily down the street
With the brim pulled way down low
Ain't no sound but the sound of Brexit,
Ministers ready to go

Are you ready, May, are you ready for this?
Are you hanging on the edge of your seat?
Out of the doorway of Downing Street
To the sound of Brexit

Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust

May, I'm gonna resign, too
Another one bites the dust
How do you think you're going to get along
Without us when we're gone?
You took back the control that we had
We left you on y'own

Are you happy, are you satisfied?
How long can you stand the heat?
Out of the doorway of Downing Street
To the sound of Brexit

Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust

May, I'm gonna resign, too
Another one bites the dust

May
Oh take it
Bite the dust
Bite the dust
May

Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust oww
Another one bites the dust hey May
Another one bites the dust eh eh

Oh ministers
There are plenty of ways that you can hurt a woman
And bring her to the ground
You can diss her, you can leave her
You can treat her bad and leave her when she's down

But I'm ready, yes, we're ready for you
We're walking on our own two feet
Out of the doorway of Downing Street
Repeating to the sound of Brexit oh yeah

Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
May, I'm gonna get you, too
Another one bites the dust
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: VomKriege on April 03, 2019, 05:55:40 AM
Quote from: shosta on April 03, 2019, 04:42:28 AM
I need a voxsplainer on where Corbyn's unpopularity comes from. Afaict it's because of 1) some bs allegations of antisemitism, 2) bonafide socialism and 3) he's not a pigfucking jingo fascist.

I wouldn't brush off the antisemitism though it's one of those smears that the right likes to caricature. But I don't think it's a huge factor in his reputation. He was quite literally shelled by the press when first nominated and that was before any of that.

Internally the thing is that old school leftists (which he is strongly perceived as) and neo-Blairites ("centrists") have to coexist in the party because of the FPTP system I suppose, when in most other European countries some of that tension was resolved by people going to other parties or creating new ones. The "moderate" left that doesn't like him is a significant minority in the party (at MP level too) though at the same time Corbyn also triggered a clear uptick in registered members (Maybe not anymore).

As with regards to the general public I don't know exactly. I believe he was seen as indecisive or unclear & lacking charisma. As Raist pointed out, Corbyn didn't appear as a forceful leader throughout this whole debacle and the apathic ambiguity he went for during the referendum was a bit spineless.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 03, 2019, 02:24:02 PM
Corbyn could've been seen as a strategic genius in retrospect for steering clear of Brexit and having May fall on her own sword thus decimating the conservative party for possibly a decade.
But that is all gone now because when she offered him a ticket for an already sinking ship, he said: "ok, where do I sit"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on April 03, 2019, 04:12:04 PM
The same director needs to make a sequel to the Brexit movie after this is all over.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 03, 2019, 04:12:29 PM
(https://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/GoT_slapping_joffrey.gif)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzcA5qV4S8U&t=37s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzcA5qV4S8U&t=37s)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 03, 2019, 04:39:52 PM
Today keeps on giving :rejoice

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2019/04/03/brexit-bbc-prepares-for-dutch-move/

Quote
The BBC is ready to move a number of its commercial channels to the Netherlands, should the outcome of current Brexit talks make it necessary.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 03, 2019, 05:20:40 PM
So this is the kind of dumb shit the HoC is devoting its time to vote on today:

Quote
    13 & 14 - tabled by Labour's Yvette Cooper: This is a simple re-drafting of parts of the bill
    20 - tabled by Tory MP George Eustice: Limits the extension to 30 June
    21 - tabled by Tory MP George Eustice: Takes out the requirement for the prime minister to put the EU’s chosen extension date to MPs
    22 - tabled by Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay: Ensures that nothing in this bill rules out the government extending Article 50 in a different way
    1 - tabled by Tory MP Anne Main: Limits the government to a 22 May extension
    6 - tabled by Tory MP Sir Bill Cash: Ensures the extension is subject to approval by the devolved bodies
    New Clause 4 - tabled by Tory MP Sir Bill Cash: Prevents amendments to standing orders during these extension motions - standing orders are the rules that govern the proceedings of Parliament
    New Clause 5 - tabled by Tory MP Sir Bill Cash: Limits an extension to 22 May
    New Clause 7 - tabled by Tory MP Sir Bill Cash: Ensures that an extension would not result in the UK taking part in elections to the European Parliament
    New Clause 13 - tabled by Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay: Amends the EU Withdrawal Act to make it easier to change the exit date in UK law


Semantics, splitting hair, and completely ignoring what the EU has been repeating about 205 times for weeks.

Ho, and it surely doesn't help either that it takes 15-20mins per vote, cause the UK parliament still lives in the 19th century and votes are cast by shouting, and if it sort of sounds like it's split, then it takes forever for them to walk into their tiny "aye" or "no" room, then some grunts have to count heads.

 :gbcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on April 03, 2019, 05:44:56 PM
I mean the HoC is wasting time but presumably that's because MPs have given up and are waiting for a cross party coalition to move forward
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 03, 2019, 06:54:25 PM
Quote from: Raist on April 03, 2019, 04:39:52 PM
Today keeps on giving :rejoice

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2019/04/03/brexit-bbc-prepares-for-dutch-move/

Quote
The BBC is ready to move a number of its commercial channels to the Netherlands, should the outcome of current Brexit talks make it necessary.

Awwww yisss UK businesses are moving to the Netherlands (Sony is already moving their UK operations here).

Quote
The Dutch government has said it is in talks with more than 250 companies about moving their operations from the UK to the Netherlands before Brexit.
The economic affairs ministry said it had lured 42 companies or branch offices and 1,923 jobs from the UK last year, as it increases its efforts to gain Brexit business.
Among those who have chosen to invest in the Netherlands are the Discovery Channel, Sony and Bloomberg.

We are taking control of Europe  8)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 03, 2019, 06:55:07 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/police-investigating-pro-brexit-sabotage-14224917

Quote
Police are investigating two pro-Brexit "sabotage" attempts to disrupt Britain's rail network.

Home-made short-circuit devices were found clipped to railway tracks in Cambridgeshire and Nottinghamshire last week.

It came with a note saying "Leave means leave" and threatening to "bring this country to its knees" if Britain doesn't exit the EU.

[...]


But safeguards introduced to comply with EU regulations mean the devices failed.

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on April 03, 2019, 07:05:19 PM
Why would the businesses go to the Netherlands instead of Ireland? It's a tax haven and English speaking.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 03, 2019, 07:07:05 PM
It's also an island beyond that island.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 03, 2019, 07:13:36 PM
Quote from: shosta on April 03, 2019, 07:05:19 PM
Why would the businesses go to the Netherlands instead of Ireland? It's a tax haven and English speaking.
They wan't security, safety, highly skilled workers, legal weed and prostitutes  :smug
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on April 03, 2019, 07:23:00 PM
Ireland made the purchase of sex illegal in 2017 :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 03, 2019, 07:29:04 PM
History repeats itself

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/T3pmYXZAnoM/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on April 03, 2019, 08:51:12 PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-saudi-nuclear/u-s-approved-secret-nuclear-power-work-for-saudi-arabia-idUSKCN1R82MG
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Tripon on April 03, 2019, 08:57:40 PM
https://twitter.com/RogerHelmerMEP/status/1113578119380852737

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Tripon on April 03, 2019, 09:03:56 PM
https://twitter.com/tictoc/status/1113600111035191296
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 04, 2019, 12:53:48 AM
He should have just said "Hodor" and walked away.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 04, 2019, 01:16:00 AM
Mark François, one of the Brexiteers extraordinaire (with a French surname, for extra irony), was very sad that, in particular, the UK had forfeited its sovereignty to the EU.
He is now mad as fuck because of yesterday's vote :rofl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOHeRWp2D1c
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Occam on April 04, 2019, 04:32:59 AM
Farage doesn't sound very British, either...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Rufus on April 04, 2019, 06:31:06 AM
1066. Never forget.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Brehvolution on April 04, 2019, 08:30:02 AM
Quote from: shosta on April 03, 2019, 08:51:12 PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-saudi-nuclear/u-s-approved-secret-nuclear-power-work-for-saudi-arabia-idUSKCN1R82MG

Quote
Pompeo said the administration was working to ensure any shared technology nuclear power would not present proliferation risks.

(https://i.imgur.com/pQRNFcT.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Kunai With Chain on April 04, 2019, 10:12:04 AM
https://twitter.com/MartinDaubney/status/1113696943581081600

A black convict's vote stopping their Brexit must be really eating them up  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on April 04, 2019, 02:12:32 PM
Our Guy, trained in Langley, VA, is finally marching on Tripoli to overthrow the democratically elected government of Libya.

:rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 04, 2019, 02:43:05 PM
Imagine the humungous balls on a guy that invades a capital while the UN Secgen is visiting.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on April 04, 2019, 02:44:49 PM
Holy shit, I didn't even know that :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 04, 2019, 03:27:45 PM
Also the 70th anniversary of NATO today.

 :doge

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 04, 2019, 03:35:34 PM
Quote from: Rufus on April 04, 2019, 06:31:06 AM
1066. Never forget.

Nope, French Huguenot. You about 500 years off the mark.

:snob
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Kunai With Chain on April 04, 2019, 04:37:04 PM
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1109567/Prince-Harry-Fortnite-meghan-markle-duke-sussex-game-ban-royal-family-latest-update

lol at this bozo. It's a good thing with this whole brexit malarkey at least some royal family members have their eyes on stuff that truly matters.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 04, 2019, 05:27:43 PM
https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1113850176853237762


Sure, take your time bruv. It's not like it's urgent or anything :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Rufus on April 04, 2019, 05:47:19 PM
Quote from: Raist on April 04, 2019, 03:35:34 PM
Quote from: Rufus on April 04, 2019, 06:31:06 AM
1066. Never forget.

Nope, French Huguenot. You about 500 years off the mark.

:snob
Noted. :hmph

Quote from: Raist on April 04, 2019, 05:27:43 PM
https://twit ter.com/Channel4News/status/1113850176853237762


Sure, take your time bruv. It's not like it's urgent or anything :lol
A vestige of aristocracy blabbing about tyranny. :delicious
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 04, 2019, 06:11:25 PM
Bercow on Dutch television
https://twitter.com/JinekLive/status/1113923229159006208 (https://twitter.com/JinekLive/status/1113923229159006208)

We're taking everything.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 05, 2019, 12:42:12 AM
Quote from: Kunai With Chain on April 04, 2019, 04:37:04 PM
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1109567/Prince-Harry-Fortnite-meghan-markle-duke-sussex-game-ban-royal-family-latest-update

lol at this bozo. It's a good thing with this whole brexit malarkey at least some royal family members have their eyes on stuff that truly matters.

Lol check out this fucker born to be a prince and complaining people huff opium
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 05, 2019, 12:44:04 AM
I bet he secretly plays Fortnite and modded his character to wear a nazi uniform.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 05, 2019, 01:24:27 AM
When germans make nazi jokes  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: benjipwns on April 05, 2019, 11:49:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IftmHLGM8w
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: BisMarckie on April 05, 2019, 12:19:31 PM
The left has had ties to Russia for decades, what's one more party? :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: benjipwns on April 05, 2019, 12:22:14 PM
I don't know why they needed a sixteen minute video when a simple Google search says that yes Russians have been inside the German parliament: https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/soviet-graffiti-reichstag
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: BisMarckie on April 05, 2019, 12:29:07 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on April 05, 2019, 12:22:14 PM
I don't know why they needed a sixteen minute video when a simple Google search says that yes Russians have been inside the German parliament: https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/soviet-graffiti-reichstag

Fact check: The building is still called Reichstag. :ufup

That was actually pretty fascinating, since I have never been there.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 05, 2019, 01:04:08 PM
And now we go live to London. Where nothing has changed

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1114201054332243971 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1114201054332243971)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 05, 2019, 02:22:59 PM
OK, at this point I think they're just taking the piss.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47825841

Quote
Theresa May has written to the European Union to request a further delay to Brexit until 30 June.

The UK is currently due to leave the EU on 12 April and, as yet, no withdrawal deal has been approved by MPs.

The government has been in talks with the Labour Party to try and find a compromise to put to the Commons.

But shadow Brexit secretary Sir Keir Starmer said the Tory negotiating team had offered no changes to Mrs May's original deal.


TM: "I shall seek an extension to the 30th of June."

EU: "LOL no. MEP elections are on May 23rd."

TM: "LALALALALALALA I shall seek an extension to the 30th of June."

EU: "OK here's how that's gonna work kiddo. Get the deal voted in, you get till May 22nd - day before our elections. Failing that, you fuck off on April 12th - unless you ask for a long extension and commit to electing MEPs."

TM" OK :( BRB... ...... ... ............. .... So guys, about my deal?"

HoC: "For the third time, NO. Still can't tell you what we want exactly though, lolz."

TM: "Hey Jez, wanna sit down with me and talk, maybe we can come to some agreement if we compromise?"

JC: "OK"

TM: "Lol j/k about the compromise btw."

JC: "Well fuck you then."

TM: "Hey EU pals, was just thinking, how about an extension to June 30th?!?"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: BisMarckie on April 05, 2019, 02:24:10 PM
Never go full Nintex :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 05, 2019, 02:25:08 PM
Except that I'm giving an accurate summary, not writing some fanfic.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: BisMarckie on April 05, 2019, 02:26:01 PM
Exactly what Nintex would have said :tocry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 05, 2019, 02:30:00 PM
The compromise was this:

May: "Jeremy you need to back the deal"
Jeremy: "No, what do I get anyway?"
May: "I will stay on as Prime Minister until the next General Election for starters"
Jeremy: "Like I care"
May: "Prime Minister Johnson it is then!"
Jeremy: "Bring it on bitch"
May: "I was joking Jeremy"
Jeremy: "Haha good one"
May: "It'll be GOVE"
*labour aide vomits*
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on April 05, 2019, 04:16:13 PM
French notes on Brexit extension meeting: “We could probably extend for a couple of weeks to prepare ourselves in the markets.”

:lawd
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 05, 2019, 04:20:17 PM
https://twitter.com/ReutersUK/status/1114256168199831555 (https://twitter.com/ReutersUK/status/1114256168199831555)

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 05, 2019, 04:56:59 PM
One week to go.  This is going to be a good shit show.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 05, 2019, 05:05:02 PM
Obligatory


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJzW_gFoXR0
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 05, 2019, 05:13:38 PM
The good old navy blue dream is so close!!! :gbcry


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/05/uk-removes-words-european-union-from-british-passports


Quote
“There will be no difference for British citizens whether they are using a passport that includes the words ‘European Union’ or a passport that does not include the words ‘European Union’. Both designs will be equally valid for travel.”

Oh really now. Cause border control at virtually every international airport in the EU have dedicated lines for EU passports. If they want to be dicks, they can certainly tell people with those new passports to go queue with everyone else :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 05, 2019, 07:55:13 PM
Holy shit :lol

https://twitter.com/markgerred/status/1114086826808152065
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 06, 2019, 08:24:35 AM
The BBC loves them charts.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46393399
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 06, 2019, 09:32:05 AM
Quote from: Raist on April 06, 2019, 08:24:35 AM
The BBC loves them charts.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46393399

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIlNIVXpIns
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on April 06, 2019, 01:35:40 PM
EU wants to give them a long extension. Say hello to another year?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 06, 2019, 01:37:31 PM
Quote from: shosta on April 06, 2019, 01:35:40 PM
EU wants to give them a long extension. Say hello to another year?
Yep and the UK doesn't want that. The general consensus is that the EU wants to give the tories enough rope to hang themselves with.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on April 06, 2019, 01:41:40 PM
I think most people in the UK do want some breathing room to figure out what they want, the number of suicidal brexiters seems fairly low.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 06, 2019, 01:56:22 PM
https://twitter.com/peoplesvote_uk/status/1114505484877336576 (https://twitter.com/peoplesvote_uk/status/1114505484877336576)

I need to get on this level.

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1104698838080610304 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1104698838080610304)

God save the queen party
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on April 06, 2019, 04:48:26 PM
US revokes visa for International Court prosecutor Bensouda (https://apnews.com/a5e0748b9b7443e683c6a0f4e0c7d509)

Quote
The prosecutor of the International Criminal Court said Friday that her U.S. visa has been revoked, in what appears to a crackdown on the global tribunal by the Trump administration.

Quote
“In this case, where Prosecutor Bensouda has publicly stated that her visa has been revoked, we confirm that the Prosecutor’s visa to the United States has been revoked,” the department said.

It declined to discuss other cases but said “the United States will take the necessary steps to protect its sovereignty and to protect our people from unjust investigation and prosecution by the International Criminal Court.”
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Tripon on April 06, 2019, 05:52:44 PM
Quote
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Saturday that he would annex Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank if he wins another term in office, a last-minute pre-election promise likely to enrage Palestinians and the Arab world.

In an interview to Israeli Channel 12 News three days ahead of the April 9 poll, Netanyahu was asked why he had not extended sovereignty to large West Bank settlements, as Israel did without international recognition in east Jerusalem and the Golan Heights, both captured in the 1967 Middle East war.

"Who says that we won't do it? We are on the way and we are discussing it," Netanyahu said.

"You are asking whether we are moving on to the next stage - the answer is yes, we will move to the next stage. I am going to extend (Israeli) sovereignty and I don't distinguish between settlement blocs and the isolated settlements."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/israels-netanyahu-says-plans-annex-settlements-west-bank-175208874.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: kingv on April 07, 2019, 09:47:14 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on April 05, 2019, 12:22:14 PM
I don't know why they needed a sixteen minute video when a simple Google search says that yes Russians have been inside the German parliament: https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/soviet-graffiti-reichstag

They should rename it the Spermastag.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 07, 2019, 11:59:50 AM
https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1114890599428251648 (https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1114890599428251648)

Lmao  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Tripon on April 07, 2019, 05:19:10 PM
Pretty sure everyone is asking what exactly is happening with brexit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 07, 2019, 05:35:02 PM
I did the Brexit rounds so you don't have to.

Meanwhile at Buckingham Palace
- BaN FoRtNiTE

Meanwhile at No. 10.
- Theresa May doesn't answer the pressing question why she didn't to look at positions of other parties a bit earlier and the government is woefully unprepared for 'any' scenario.
- Also the first PM in history to tape a message that says: "Eh, fuck knows"

Meanwhile at Labour
- Anti-semitism was ignored!

Meanwhile at the Tories:
- Amber Rudd supports Boris for leader
- Jacob Rees Mogg supports Boris for leader from his 18th century living room
- Boris can unite the party!

Meanwhile in Brussels
- Just GTFO already

Meanwhile at Leave
- BrExIt PaRtY, help help we're being harassed!

Meanwhile at Remain
- HORROR FICTION: BORIS JOHNSON COULD BE PM!

*narrator: It wasn't fiction


Latest updates on what is happening with Brexit
- Amber Rudd plays down rumors of leadership pact with Boris
- Boris pens op-ed in the monday telegraph saying the tories must not allow a Corbyn/May customs union to happen
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on April 07, 2019, 10:08:46 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/07/30/bolivia-israel-terrorist-state/13384989

Quote
Bolivia declares Israel a 'terrorist state'

 :clap :clap :clap :mynicca
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: curly on April 07, 2019, 10:56:03 PM
https://twitter.com/kampeas/status/1114584226760781824

Wow Kevin McCarthy stealing talking points from The Bore
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 08, 2019, 11:22:15 AM
Quote from: Nintex on April 07, 2019, 11:59:50 AM
https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1114890599428251648 (https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1114890599428251648)

Lmao  :lol


Who the fuck was operating that camera, the Chief Mouser?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Brehvolution on April 08, 2019, 01:20:25 PM
https://twitter.com/mikopeled/status/1114550616406331392
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 08, 2019, 02:30:24 PM
4 more days, what on EARTH is happening with Brexit?

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1115276394219618309 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1115276394219618309)

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1115255617910759425 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1115255617910759425)

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1115309682933948417 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1115309682933948417)

 :idont
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 08, 2019, 02:58:10 PM
https://twitter.com/IamHappyToast/status/1114926401528967168
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on April 08, 2019, 06:36:39 PM
https://twitter.com/YousefMunayyer/status/1115357832981950464
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Tripon on April 08, 2019, 11:00:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA1iHnrOHLg
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 09, 2019, 07:46:22 AM
The salt :lol

https://twitter.com/DMReporter/status/1115555835554476032
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: agrajag on April 09, 2019, 10:30:35 AM
https://twitter.com/_michaelbrooks/status/1115622245097984000
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 09, 2019, 03:19:48 PM
Another day well spent in the HoC.

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2019/4/9/2c9150a3-c4ad-419d-8d6a-18bf7e6eed0f.png)


And also:

Quote
Tory Eurosceptic Anne Main says the UK is seeking a further delay to Brexit "with no real sense of purpose", describing the situation as "appalling".

She says the UK is "becoming a laughing stock", and she will vote against authorising any further extension to Article 50.

The prospect of an "open-ended extension", she adds, is "incredibly concerning".


Awww bless her, she doesn't know that the UK has been a laughing stock for ages already.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 09, 2019, 04:12:20 PM
Never forget


Quote
Compared with the motives that led the Six to organize their unit, we understand for what reasons, why Britain-who is not continental, who remains, because of the Commonwealth and because she is an island, committed far beyond the seas, who is tied to the United States by all kinds of special agreements-did not merge into a Community with set dimensions and strict rules.

While this Community was taking shape, Britain therefore first refused to participate in It and even took toward it a hostile attitude as if she saw in It an economic and political threat. Then she tried to negotiate in order to join the Community, but in such conditions that the latter would have been suffocated by this membership.

The attempt having failed, the British Government then asserted that it no longer wanted to enter the Community and set about strengthening its ties with the Commonwealth and with other European countries grouped around it in a free-trade area.

Yet, apparently now adopting a new state of mind, Britain declares she is ready to subscribe to the Rome Treaty, even though she is asking exceptional and prolonged delays and, as regards her, that basic changes be made in the Treaty's implementation.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Occam on April 09, 2019, 04:33:54 PM
De Gaulle was right. He saw through all of it 50 years ago.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 09, 2019, 06:33:38 PM
Meanwhile in Brexit
https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/1115729603589439489 (https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/1115729603589439489)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Tripon on April 09, 2019, 07:49:38 PM
https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1115749714832646145
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 10, 2019, 02:02:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXHd7QySLcQ
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 10, 2019, 03:55:52 AM
:lol

https://twitter.com/AlbertoNardelli/status/1115875124023058433
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 10, 2019, 12:12:05 PM
This is going well
https://twitter.com/GregHeffer/status/1116004142764449794 (https://twitter.com/GregHeffer/status/1116004142764449794)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on April 10, 2019, 12:25:49 PM
https://www.rt.com/news/455876-israeli-politician-foottickle-pornhub/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: benjipwns on April 10, 2019, 12:30:56 PM
I would not watch Deal, No Deal or Revoke Article 50 even if Howie Mandel returned to host instead of this so-called Arturs Krišjānis Kariņš dude.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Brehvolution on April 10, 2019, 12:44:22 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/DRY2Fa5.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: BIONIC on April 10, 2019, 01:03:27 PM
Quote from: filler on April 10, 2019, 12:25:49 PM
https://www.rt.com/news/455876-israeli-politician-foottickle-pornhub/

That’s one way for a zioner to get my vote :phil
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Occam on April 11, 2019, 01:15:48 AM
Brexit date has been moved to Halloween.
Idiotic. The EU should have let them crash out tomorrow.
Now Britain gets to take part in the 2019 European Parliament election.

At least the remaining 27 nations have decided that from now on they can meet any time without Britain.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 11, 2019, 01:44:48 AM
There's an eject clause though: they'll leave on June 1st without a deal if they do no participate in EP elections.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 11, 2019, 05:58:13 AM
https://twitter.com/Gizmodo/status/1116278277377859585 (https://twitter.com/Gizmodo/status/1116278277377859585)

:trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Transhuman on April 11, 2019, 06:05:34 AM
https://youtu.be/drJWxMLrpE0
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: VomKriege on April 11, 2019, 06:08:37 AM
Ecuaxit in the UK.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: VomKriege on April 11, 2019, 06:22:28 AM
Ecuador's reasons for booting him seem to confirm what filtered through the years. Assange couldn't stop being a gigantic bellend even for the sake of his asylum. :lol
From doing skateboard indoors through being confrontional to the diplomatic staff up to hacking their internal files.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Rufus on April 11, 2019, 06:33:33 AM
Brexit delayed to Oct 31st. :zzz

Quote
The result was a compromise on the date, with a deadline of Oct. 31, for Britain to leave, deal or no deal — on condition that May holds an election on May 23 to return British members to a new European Parliament that convenes in July, and that it pledge not to disrupt key EU decision-making before it leaves.

If May fails to win over lawmakers on the treaty or fails to hold an election, Britain will leave with no deal on June 1.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu/eu-gives-may-till-october-for-brexit-seeking-clarity-idUSKCN1RM0LR

 :doge

edit: late late late dumb dumb :notlikethis
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: VomKriege on April 11, 2019, 06:48:53 AM
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/04/south-korea-wants-bring-trump-and-kim-together-again/586894/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/04/south-korea-wants-bring-trump-and-kim-together-again/586894/)

If there was any doubts left that South Korea is doing all the mastermind stuff and heavy lifting in the diplomatic overtures to North Korea.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Rufus on April 11, 2019, 07:35:01 AM
Quote
Former Pope Benedict has blamed the Catholic Church’s sexual abuse scandal on the effects of the sexual revolution of the 1960s and a general collapse in morality.
[...]
The former pope, who lives secluded in a former convent on the Vatican grounds, said he wanted to “contribute one or two remarks to assist in this difficult hour”.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pope-abuse-benedict/sexual-revolution-of-1960s-led-to-church-abuse-crisis-ex-pope-says-idUSKCN1RN0WI

Ratzinger is such a POS.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Occam on April 11, 2019, 08:50:01 AM
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-p4rOdaPDayk/UWWFv5IaCII/AAAAAAAAAE4/n6bIBMClO9Q/s1600/pope-emperor.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: BisMarckie on April 11, 2019, 08:53:14 AM
Saint Peter come get your people.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 11, 2019, 09:12:21 AM
Quote from: Nintex on April 11, 2019, 05:58:13 AM
https://twitter.com/Gizmodo/status/1116278277377859585 (https://twitter.com/Gizmodo/status/1116278277377859585)

:trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps :trumps

Was he hoping that the massive beard would throw off the police?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 11, 2019, 03:52:32 PM
https://twitter.com/josephmdurso/status/1116332672278769666
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Occam on April 11, 2019, 04:28:58 PM
"Wikileaks founder Julian Assange smeared poop over the walls of the Ecuadorian Embassy in London before he was unceremoniously dragged away from his hideout of 7 years, it has been claimed. The new information was revealed by Ecuador’s Interior Minister after Assange was arrested by British police officers on April 11."

https://meaww.com/wikileaks-julian-assange-ecuadorian-embassy-london-smear-poop-walls
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: VomKriege on April 11, 2019, 04:31:40 PM
Keeping leaks 💯
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: benjipwns on April 11, 2019, 09:55:36 PM
Quote
Maria Paula Romo, the country's Interior Minister, however, slammed Correa for even allowing 47-year-old Assange to get away with the unimaginable behavior.

She said: "During his stay at the Ecuadorian Embassy, during the government of the former president Rafael Correa, they tolerated things like Mr Assange putting feces on the walls of the embassy and other types of behaviour of this kind that is far removed from the minimum respect a guest should have in a country which has generously welcomed him." She, however, did not make it clear if he had used his own poop or someone else's.
we need a special counsel
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 11, 2019, 09:57:04 PM
sounds like he's trying to blame it on the cat
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Transhuman on April 11, 2019, 11:16:46 PM
Assange was born in Townsville where I live, he probably smeared shit on the walls so it would remind him of home.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 12, 2019, 02:04:51 PM
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/462611913134571520/566297680846782508/87e9ad1.jpg)


 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 12, 2019, 02:19:05 PM
Yasssss
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 12, 2019, 03:00:11 PM
Now that Brexit is over Labour can again focus on what matters to voters

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1116424423953903616 (https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1116424423953903616)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: curly on April 12, 2019, 04:50:27 PM
https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1116781500891062273

breh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 12, 2019, 07:10:10 PM
There's now 2 of them

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1116670786356633600 (https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1116670786356633600)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Mandark on April 12, 2019, 07:12:19 PM
Quote from: curly on April 12, 2019, 04:50:27 PM
https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1116781500891062273

breh

Any time you can associate yourself with the famous success and popularity of the Bay of Pigs, you have to do it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 13, 2019, 07:23:28 AM
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1117010372467228673 (https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1117010372467228673)

The Brexit Party is already polling on par with the conservatives. Farage seems to have been preparing plan B for a while.

Not to mention that if it grows and gets into a general election there's no telling who would win in a three way battle between Boris, Corbyn and lady Rees Mogg.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Boredfrom on April 13, 2019, 11:37:38 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/13/steve-bannon-matteo-salvini-pope-francis-is-the-enemy

This annoys me to no end. Why can’t you just disappear, Bannon?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Tripon on April 13, 2019, 02:22:10 PM
https://twitter.com/ericuman/status/1116872686821629952
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on April 13, 2019, 02:33:16 PM
So it was... repeated behavior?  :yuck
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Tripon on April 13, 2019, 02:47:18 PM
Quote from: shosta on April 13, 2019, 02:33:16 PM
So it was... repeated behavior?  :yuck

It's a literal smear job.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Rufus on April 13, 2019, 03:06:30 PM
Quote
Staff grew so exasperated they even threw out his pet cat after he failed to clean up its mess. They also feared he had hidden a camera in its collar to spy on them
It's the Mail, so who knows how accurate any of this is, but :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: benjipwns on April 14, 2019, 03:12:00 AM
typical yuropean socialism, can't evict a tenet no matter how bad he is and how little rent he pays
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 14, 2019, 05:43:37 AM
https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1117129632346771456 (https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1117129632346771456)

LMAO  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: kingv on April 14, 2019, 10:12:52 AM
Quote from: Tripon on April 13, 2019, 02:47:18 PM
Quote from: shosta on April 13, 2019, 02:33:16 PM
So it was... repeated behavior?  :yuck

It's a literal smear job.

“Imma shit on these walls, Ray!”
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 14, 2019, 01:15:14 PM
Honestly I was expecting a lot worse from the pics if he's really been trashing the place in the ways that are described.

But assuming he was doing all that, dude might wanna have a chat with a psychiatrist.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 15, 2019, 12:37:20 PM
EU: here's another extension. Please do not waste this time.

TM: Sure, thanks, will do.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/D219/production/_106458735_mediaitem106458734.jpg)
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Tripon on April 15, 2019, 01:40:55 PM
https://twitter.com/arabnews/status/1117657564462952448

wut
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: naff on April 15, 2019, 08:11:45 PM
Quote from: Raist on April 14, 2019, 01:15:14 PM
Honestly I was expecting a lot worse from the pics if he's really been trashing the place in the ways that are described.

But assuming he was doing all that, dude might wanna have a chat with a psychiatrist.

SQUALOR

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/04/12/22/12210450-6917341-image-a-16_1555103553189.jpg)

reminds me of

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/428/742/7ea.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Tripon on April 16, 2019, 01:30:25 PM
https://twitter.com/EmmandJDeSouza/status/1117900617324695552
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 16, 2019, 01:41:41 PM
Quote from: Tripon on April 16, 2019, 01:30:25 PM
https://twitter.com/EmmandJDeSouza/status/1117900617324695552
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1118189803416244224 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1118189803416244224)

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1118124213804703747 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1118124213804703747)

Brexit? What Brexit?  :tophat
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: kingv on April 17, 2019, 08:06:21 PM
Quote from: naff on April 15, 2019, 08:11:45 PM
Quote from: Raist on April 14, 2019, 01:15:14 PM
Honestly I was expecting a lot worse from the pics if he's really been trashing the place in the ways that are described.

But assuming he was doing all that, dude might wanna have a chat with a psychiatrist.

SQUALOR

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/04/12/22/12210450-6917341-image-a-16_1555103553189.jpg)

reminds me of

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/428/742/7ea.jpg)

I was in that earthquake.

No trigger warning!

Literally shaking rn.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on April 17, 2019, 10:53:00 PM
Clearly I don't understand UK politics because I thought the Brexit Party thing was a laughable joke and then

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1118480874893381632
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Tripon on April 17, 2019, 10:57:34 PM
Quote from: shosta on April 17, 2019, 10:53:00 PM
Clearly I don't understand UK politics because I thought the Brexit Party thing was a laughable joke and then

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1118480874893381632

From what I understand, few people in the UK bother to vote in the EU parliament election, so it can can be skewed by minor parties that can get the vote out more than domestic elections.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on April 18, 2019, 12:19:46 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gycr06gM620
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: VomKriege on April 18, 2019, 09:26:09 AM
Quote from: Tripon on April 17, 2019, 10:57:34 PM
Quote from: shosta on April 17, 2019, 10:53:00 PM
Clearly I don't understand UK politics because I thought the Brexit Party thing was a laughable joke and then

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1118480874893381632

From what I understand, few people in the UK bother to vote in the EU parliament election, so it can can be skewed by minor parties that can get the vote out more than domestic elections.

Maybe has something to do with the Brexiters core being fired up and not wanting to let this election to be a sign whatsoever that Remain is gaining ground (which I already heard some pundits say this side of the channel, though I'm not sure how exactly a clear "Remain" win is supposed to look like) on top of some dissatisfaction with traditional parties. Europarliament election are a bit dysfunctional & perceived as meaningless as is, all the more so for Brexiters (because you know... We shouldn't be over there for long anyhow), that I could see it being used to send a message without upsetting any national political balance.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 18, 2019, 03:40:01 PM
https://twitter.com/BoardBradys/status/1111550543468605440
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Tripon on April 18, 2019, 09:53:48 PM
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1118937257732464640

 :lol

He actually said "Deal with It" non-ironically.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on April 19, 2019, 12:58:53 AM
https://twitter.com/e_kaspersky/status/1118459960361406464
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 19, 2019, 05:39:21 AM
Quote from: Tripon on April 18, 2019, 09:53:48 PM
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1118937257732464640

 :lol

He actually said "Deal with It" non-ironically.
Oh god the edgelords are escaping their basements.

This is the best, Imagine if this guy actually ends up in the EU parliament (and he will).  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on April 19, 2019, 10:00:22 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1efOs0BsE0g
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on April 19, 2019, 01:15:28 PM
https://twitter.com/anyaparampil/status/1117845704729407490

https://twitter.com/bassplaysdave/status/1117943993491435521

https://twitter.com/moigonzit/status/1118113359948386304

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Kunai With Chain on April 19, 2019, 02:59:39 PM
https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1119238250424614912

Finally Libya will reach the final stages of Western spread democracy when their guy from Langley takes over.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Tripon on April 19, 2019, 04:56:07 PM
Quote
Faced with the strong possibility of being trounced by a comedian with no political experience, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has started throwing Hail Marys.

In the week leading up to this Sunday’s election, the 53-year-old president awkwardly performed a folk song on stage. He promised young voters he’d hire more of them in his next administration. And he apologized for past mistakes and met with civil society leaders to say he’d listen more if given another chance.

In what appeared to be a direct response to accusations from his opponent — Volodymyr Zelensky — that he did nothing to battle the country’s endemic corruption, Poroshenko appointed 38 judges to the country’s new anti-corruption court in one fell swoop.

If the latest polls are correct, the election will be a blow-out, with 72% of voters ready to cast their ballot for Zelensky, compared to 25% for Poroshenko.

Zelensky, 41, has more than doubled his lead over the president since the first round of voting in March, when he beat out 38 other candidates, in a surprise upset. Because none of the candidates got more than 50% to win outright, the top two candidates now face a runoff.

https://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-ukraine-election-20190419-story.html

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 19, 2019, 05:18:47 PM
Quote from: Tripon on April 19, 2019, 04:56:07 PM
Quote
Faced with the strong possibility of being trounced by a comedian with no political experience, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has started throwing Hail Marys.

In the week leading up to this Sunday’s election, the 53-year-old president awkwardly performed a folk song on stage. He promised young voters he’d hire more of them in his next administration. And he apologized for past mistakes and met with civil society leaders to say he’d listen more if given another chance.

In what appeared to be a direct response to accusations from his opponent — Volodymyr Zelensky — that he did nothing to battle the country’s endemic corruption, Poroshenko appointed 38 judges to the country’s new anti-corruption court in one fell swoop.

If the latest polls are correct, the election will be a blow-out, with 72% of voters ready to cast their ballot for Zelensky, compared to 25% for Poroshenko.

Zelensky, 41, has more than doubled his lead over the president since the first round of voting in March, when he beat out 38 other candidates, in a surprise upset. Because none of the candidates got more than 50% to win outright, the top two candidates now face a runoff.

https://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-ukraine-election-20190419-story.html
Poroshenko is toast.  8)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 20, 2019, 01:17:45 PM
*gate to hell opens*

*lava and screams pour out*

https://twitter.com/GdnPolitics/status/1119646798165864449 (https://twitter.com/GdnPolitics/status/1119646798165864449)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Tripon on April 20, 2019, 03:44:47 PM
Quote from: Nintex on April 19, 2019, 05:18:47 PM
Quote from: Tripon on April 19, 2019, 04:56:07 PM
Quote
Faced with the strong possibility of being trounced by a comedian with no political experience, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has started throwing Hail Marys.

In the week leading up to this Sunday’s election, the 53-year-old president awkwardly performed a folk song on stage. He promised young voters he’d hire more of them in his next administration. And he apologized for past mistakes and met with civil society leaders to say he’d listen more if given another chance.

In what appeared to be a direct response to accusations from his opponent — Volodymyr Zelensky — that he did nothing to battle the country’s endemic corruption, Poroshenko appointed 38 judges to the country’s new anti-corruption court in one fell swoop.

If the latest polls are correct, the election will be a blow-out, with 72% of voters ready to cast their ballot for Zelensky, compared to 25% for Poroshenko.

Zelensky, 41, has more than doubled his lead over the president since the first round of voting in March, when he beat out 38 other candidates, in a surprise upset. Because none of the candidates got more than 50% to win outright, the top two candidates now face a runoff.

https://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-ukraine-election-20190419-story.html
Poroshenko is toast.  8)

NOT SO FAST MY FRIEND.

https://twitter.com/SimonOstrovsky/status/1119662285503565824
https://twitter.com/SimonOstrovsky/status/1119681779961683971
https://twitter.com/SimonOstrovsky/status/1119687412656091139
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 20, 2019, 08:08:52 PM
https://twitter.com/SimonOstrovsky/status/1119724576089542656 (https://twitter.com/SimonOstrovsky/status/1119724576089542656)

Poroshenko will have to call in some snipers to keep his grift going.

The polls have Porky at 25% and the comedian at 75%
It'll be the biggest election blowout in the history of democracy.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on April 21, 2019, 12:51:13 AM
https://twitter.com/la_patilla/status/1119410357926281216

 :pitbull :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: VomKriege on April 21, 2019, 03:16:29 AM
A string of bombs went off in hotels and churches celebrating Easter over in Sri Lanka. Over a hundred killed.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 21, 2019, 05:44:08 AM
This is nuts, an explosion at the zoo as well. Bringing the total number of targets hit to 8 and people are still reporting suspicious packages elsewhere.

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1119893341473128448 (https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1119893341473128448)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: VomKriege on April 21, 2019, 06:54:03 AM
Police officers were killed in the seventh and eighth blast. Authorities say those new explosions might be provoked by those "on the run" who they claim have been identified, implying suicide vests or something similar.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Tripon on April 21, 2019, 02:00:58 PM
https://twitter.com/SimonOstrovsky/status/1120023480597139456
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 21, 2019, 02:19:05 PM
https://twitter.com/Kateryna_Kruk/status/1120009784080707584 (https://twitter.com/Kateryna_Kruk/status/1120009784080707584)

Get fucked porky  :bowsette

Slowly but surely the trolls and clowns are winning and taking back control from the bureaucrats  8)
2 countries down 193 to go.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nabbis on April 21, 2019, 04:59:46 PM
Quote from: Nintex on April 21, 2019, 05:44:08 AM
This is nuts, an explosion at the zoo as well. Bringing the total number of targets hit to 8 and people are still reporting suspicious packages elsewhere.

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1119893341473128448 (https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1119893341473128448)

Now they went too far.  :maf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 21, 2019, 05:10:53 PM
Apparently the guy who planned it had an extremist YouTube channel.

Also why does every islamic terrorist have to dress and act like they walked straight out of Dick Cheney's nightmares.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: benjipwns on April 21, 2019, 08:24:40 PM
Quote from: Nintex on April 19, 2019, 05:39:21 AM
This is the best, Imagine if this guy actually ends up in the EU parliament (and he will).
Sargon (rather appropriately) joined a dying party, even in UK EU politics. Brexit Party is where all the prominent UKIP folks hopped to. UKIP as was a year ago wouldn't even let Sargon appear at their events after they met him once. His whole bragging about how he owns a suit was for a UKIP event like six months ago. (Which is where all the waiter memes spawned from.) Sargon's corresponding ascent within it is probably the best illustrator of how far UKIP is falling as an entity. Even for messed up British politics.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: benjipwns on April 21, 2019, 08:27:48 PM
 :dead looked for the image, got this

https://twitter.com/misterantibully/status/1041025958759809025
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: VomKriege on April 22, 2019, 06:35:17 AM
Carlos Ghosn under a fourth indictment in Japan. :dead
There's been plenty of fascinating talk around all that (A suspected play by Nissan to stop further alliance integration/merger) and the political ramifications but it's getting harder and harder for him to spin this as a conspiracy.
 :girlaff
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on April 22, 2019, 02:36:39 PM
Quote from: Times
The Trump administration moved to broaden Iran’s economic isolation on Monday by announcing it would fully enforce sanctions that were imposed last fall and stop allowing five large nations to buy Iranian oil. Global oil prices rose even before the announcement in Washington, increasing the specter of a surge in oil and gasoline prices.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the United States would no longer grant oil waivers to China and India, Iran’s two largest customers. The decision would also end waivers for Japan, South Korea and Turkey, all American allies or partners.

Was Europe not buying Iranian oil even after the Iran Deal? Also, I'm skeptical the US would ever penalize businesses in Japan or South Korea.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: VomKriege on April 22, 2019, 02:39:38 PM
Trump admin will not renew any exemptions they "allowed" for countries importing Iranian oil. This concerned China, India, Turkey, Japan, South Korea. China and Turkey already started giving the middle finger (under, I'd imagine, the threats of US sanctions), even South Korea have put out a statement they'll seek a renewal at all costs and oil prices are starting to rise, as Venezuela is spiraling out and Libya in a potential civil war scenario.

Thanks Bolton :salute
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: VomKriege on April 22, 2019, 02:49:33 PM
Quote from: shosta on April 22, 2019, 02:36:39 PM
Quote from: Times
The Trump administration moved to broaden Iran’s economic isolation on Monday by announcing it would fully enforce sanctions that were imposed last fall and stop allowing five large nations to buy Iranian oil. Global oil prices rose even before the announcement in Washington, increasing the specter of a surge in oil and gasoline prices.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the United States would no longer grant oil waivers to China and India, Iran’s two largest customers. The decision would also end waivers for Japan, South Korea and Turkey, all American allies or partners.

Was Europe not buying Iranian oil even after the Iran Deal? Also, I'm skeptical the US would ever penalize businesses in Japan or South Korea.

Quote
In 2016, almost two thirds of the extra-EU's crude oil imports came from Russia (32 %), Norway (12 %), Nigeria and Saudi Arabia (both 8 %) and Kazakhstan (7 %).

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/infographs/energy/bloc-2c.html (https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/infographs/energy/bloc-2c.html)

I guess Russian, Kazakh and obviously Norway have much better, shorter delivery networks to Europe. Buying Iranian oil was probably not worth the gesture with the added cost of US sanctions looming. European companies were, AFAIK, interested in massively investing in Iran as a market and for it's educated workforce. Probably as partners in extracting oil too.

Edit:
You'll find Iran numbers here. It was cut from a decent size to nothing, probably over the nuclear sanctions. I guess there never was a window to resume this.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=File:Crude_oil_imports_by_country_of_origin,_EU-28,_2000-2016_(Mt)_T.png (https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=File:Crude_oil_imports_by_country_of_origin,_EU-28,_2000-2016_(Mt)_T.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 22, 2019, 03:25:40 PM
This weeks diplomatic efforts by the Trump Administration

Iran
(https://media.giphy.com/media/l1BgRIamescnkx5Dy/giphy.gif)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Europe
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/V4zmWglg1knF6/giphy.gif)

Venezuela
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/NnMQFvpld0wU0/giphy.gif)

China
(https://list.lisimg.com/image/5182268/500full.jpg)

Israel
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CanineMarriedIndianelephant-max-1mb.gif)
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Tripon on April 22, 2019, 09:06:23 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on April 22, 2019, 06:35:17 AM
Carlos Ghosn under a fourth indictment in Japan. :dead
There's been plenty of fascinating talk around all that (A suspected play by Nissan to stop further alliance integration/merger) and the political ramifications but it's getting harder and harder for him to spin this as a conspiracy.
 :girlaff

I'm sure the Japanese government and Nissan are gunning for him. I'm also sure that Ghosn has done enough shady and outright illegal shit that he's getting slammed because he fucked up by pushing for a merger nobody but him wanted.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: VomKriege on April 23, 2019, 02:11:28 AM
I don't think he was the only one in favour of a closer alliance and more steps towards a merger, at least on the French side. I believe some bloke from the French Ministry of Economy met with Nissan higher ups shortly before this all exploded with a plan for the next steps in integration. I've heard an observer surmise that the real issue is that the French government still has shares in Renault. Nissan has a reputation of being very close to the Japan government (it was picked to heavily invest into the Mandchoukouo at the behest of the policies helmed by Shinzo Abe's grandfather) but it's all unofficial. He is largely isolated though, for better or for worse he never played the French game of high end politics + economics, didn't take advice from ministries and had his own way of doing things.

I'm sure a lot of the accusations have truth to them, what's been out already (like using Versailles castle for his wedding and not raising an eyebrow to the renting being "free" or "gifted" by Renault funds) doesn't do much to dispel the image of slight megalomania* too used of ruling the whole thing as his personal fief. I'm sure Renault and Nissan discovering all those non accounted for / funneled funds right now is convenient but that doesn't have a bearing on the fact it was inappropriate and illegal.

Last I heard, the new Renault CEO has been very conciliatory and one of Nissan top execs reaffirmed the autonomy of brands within the alliance. So everything has been put on the backburner for some time.

* His wife wrote an op-ed in the WashPo and calls for the help of Trump that will meet Abe soon, for some reason (...well for the reason that French authorities are not willing to go beyond principle statements that rights of the accused have to be respected). Japanese justice is all around pretty harsh, but you know, it's not exactly endearing to try to curry political favor to ease judges in that sort of context.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on April 23, 2019, 09:21:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbR69qw2MCM

 ::)

(https://i.imgur.com/orl2833.jpg)

 :teehee
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Kunai With Chain on April 23, 2019, 12:44:28 PM
I think you will find Haman wasn't an eye-ranian  :snob
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on April 23, 2019, 03:17:15 PM
that's why it says Irnanian  ;)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on April 23, 2019, 03:20:42 PM
holy shit at that video
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: BisMarckie on April 23, 2019, 03:59:55 PM
It‘s almost like Poland never addressed their own anti-semitism under German occupation and used it as a shield and even forbade any discussion of Polish collaboration by law, weird.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Potato on April 23, 2019, 07:12:57 PM
Great article from the ABC political editor about political discourse on Twitter.

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-24/federal-election-sees-voters-turn-on-journalists-on-twitter/10984688?pfmredir=sm

Quote
"Twitter is a peanut gallery of hyper-partisan tools," Uhlmann laments.


"Unless you conform to their biases and beat to the death the people they hate, you're obviously not doing your job."


Quote
"Engaging with most of the people on Twitter is an express train to hell. No good comes of it."


"Emotion gets the better of people and it's the social media equivalent of watching a bar room brawl."


Quote
While the hyper-partisans are alert to any perceived "bias", Uhlmann believes one side is way more offensive than the other.


"While one of the memes of the early 21st century is the rise of the aggressive right, the emergence of what I would call the "post-Christian left" is much more of a worry," he said.


"They are the moralisers-in-chief and can be absolutely vicious."
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Mr Gilhaney on April 23, 2019, 07:51:24 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/kJoDhLC.png)


get fucked canada
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on April 23, 2019, 08:27:55 PM
Quote
"I will declare war against them. I will advise Canada that your garbage is on the way. Prepare a grand reception. Eat it if you want to," he said. "Your garbage is coming home."
that's fuckin awesome actually
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 24, 2019, 02:16:06 AM
Justin shaking rn.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: jorma on April 24, 2019, 06:54:05 AM
Quote from: Raist on April 24, 2019, 02:16:06 AM
Justin shaking rn.

Duterte is all bluster, no chance he has the power to ship biebs back to Canada.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on April 24, 2019, 11:20:13 PM
I missed the deadline to vote in the Philippines national election... by six months  :doge

California spoiled me.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Rufus on April 25, 2019, 08:05:10 AM
I love EU ballots. This thing is two feet long. :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: BisMarckie on April 25, 2019, 08:19:35 AM
Quote from: Rufus on April 25, 2019, 08:05:10 AM
I love EU ballots. This thing is two feet long. :lol

I haven‘t gotten my voter invite yet.
Not that I planned on voting anyway, but it would have been nice if they asked. :hmph
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 25, 2019, 01:28:12 PM
No EU voting material here yet either. Although it usually arrives only a week before the election.

VOTER SURPRESSION!


Oh Macron(would be a great name for a Netflix show btw)
https://twitter.com/SylvieKauffmann/status/1121464038100230144 (https://twitter.com/SylvieKauffmann/status/1121464038100230144)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on April 25, 2019, 04:02:22 PM
https://twitter.com/camilateleSUR/status/1121492369377984517
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 25, 2019, 07:04:22 PM
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1121545814466285568

Macron is such an idiot  :lol  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Tripon on April 27, 2019, 09:08:45 PM
https://twitter.com/EssexCanning/status/1122191038469292033
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: benjipwns on April 27, 2019, 09:24:18 PM
that last one raises two distinctly different questions
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: BisMarckie on April 27, 2019, 09:31:39 PM
Quote
Mark Ellis quits One Nation after alleged threats to kill employee revealed

(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/c301c6a1afcc763613ed757bb0dbcc7eb456c5c4/0_0_1500_919/master/1500.jpg?width=1920&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=255bf61cc6ef263427b582577456c599)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: benjipwns on April 27, 2019, 09:36:02 PM
"Attempted murder", now honestly, what is that!? Do they give a Nobel prize for "attempted" chemistry?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: BisMarckie on April 27, 2019, 09:36:53 PM
(https://cdn.asiancorrespondent.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/technically.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: benjipwns on April 27, 2019, 09:41:41 PM
Quote
The three boys, aged 12, 13, and 14, were ordered into a police car by the six officers in Brisbane's Fortitude Valley. Each boy was driven in a separate patrol car to a swampy area in Pinkenba, Queensland. The officers threatened to throw the boys into the swampy wasteland, and referred to a place where people's fingers were cut off, in order to get them to comply with their demands. The boys were abandoned after their shoes were removed. The boys later retrieved their shoes and began to walk home. They finished the journey in a taxi paid for by a security guard they met along the way.

Police later admitted that the boys had not previously committed any crimes but were taken to deter them from committing any crimes or being a public nuisance.

Following an investigation by the Criminal Justice Commission, the Public Prosecutor laid charges against the police for deprivation of liberty. The charges were later dropped after a magistrate found the boys agreed to go with the police officers, but the police officers were put on probation for one year by the police service, not as a court sentence.
Oh, oh, oh, Mark Ellis. You've come to the wrong neighborhood with your claims of the state being a legitimate monopoly on the use of force, buddy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on April 27, 2019, 09:43:48 PM
Quote
Police later admitted that the boys had not previously committed any crimes but were taken to deter them from committing any crimes or being a public nuisance.
our entire society would fall apart without the coming of age kidnapping
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 27, 2019, 11:41:02 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/27/margaret-thatcher-industrial-collapse-led-to-crime-rise
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 28, 2019, 10:52:23 AM
German press decided to sum up all the terror attacks over the last 18 years. 31 000 attacks, 148 000 deaths Yikes
https://twitter.com/c_kensche/status/1122199713770553344 (https://twitter.com/c_kensche/status/1122199713770553344)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2008/05/01/d851091e-a642-11e2-a3f0-029118418759/image4061139x.jpg)
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: jorma on April 28, 2019, 12:30:57 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on April 27, 2019, 09:41:41 PM
Quote
The three boys, aged 12, 13, and 14, were ordered into a police car by the six officers in Brisbane's Fortitude Valley. Each boy was driven in a separate patrol car to a swampy area in Pinkenba, Queensland. The officers threatened to throw the boys into the swampy wasteland, and referred to a place where people's fingers were cut off, in order to get them to comply with their demands. The boys were abandoned after their shoes were removed. The boys later retrieved their shoes and began to walk home. They finished the journey in a taxi paid for by a security guard they met along the way.

Police later admitted that the boys had not previously committed any crimes but were taken to deter them from committing any crimes or being a public nuisance.

Following an investigation by the Criminal Justice Commission, the Public Prosecutor laid charges against the police for deprivation of liberty. The charges were later dropped after a magistrate found the boys agreed to go with the police officers, but the police officers were put on probation for one year by the police service, not as a court sentence.
Oh, oh, oh, Mark Ellis. You've come to the wrong neighborhood with your claims of the state being a legitimate monopoly on the use of force, buddy.

aka a standard practice for stockholm police to deal with suspected potential hooliganism  :trumps

they don't ever ask if you willingly want to be dumped 2 hours outside of the city though
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on April 28, 2019, 04:47:02 PM
More Gatwick drone drama. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-48086013) When will you sheep open your eyes?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Tripon on April 28, 2019, 07:36:29 PM
https://twitter.com/SimonOstrovsky/status/1122533273379405826

Putin isn't going to like this.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on April 29, 2019, 06:39:18 AM
https://twitter.com/CarbonCriminal/status/1122771614960111616
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 29, 2019, 08:48:14 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/29/whale-with-harness-could-be-russian-weapon-say-norwegian-experts
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Broseidon on April 29, 2019, 01:38:25 PM
https://twitter.com/DanieleRaineri/status/1122896753685086209

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 30, 2019, 12:46:20 AM
Quote from: KennyLoggins on April 23, 2019, 03:59:55 PM
It‘s almost like Poland never addressed their own anti-semitism under German occupation and used it as a shield and even forbade any discussion of Polish collaboration by law, weird.

"If it wasnt for the Germans we'd still be sweeping streets for the jews" - One of my grandpas (rip)

"He is a jew, but a good one" -the other grandpa (rip)

Polacks blaming jews for ww2 is a classic
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 30, 2019, 12:48:20 AM
Quote from: shosta on April 28, 2019, 04:47:02 PM
More Gatwick drone drama. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-48086013) When will you sheep open your eyes?

Cant afford to fly to gatwick anyways
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: VomKriege on April 30, 2019, 03:54:36 AM
"If it wasnt for the Germans we'd still be sweeping streets for the jews, to give them hugs"

"He is a jew, but an even better one"

#thinkpositive2019
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Transhuman on April 30, 2019, 06:46:00 AM
Turn on the tv, Juan just declared a military-uprising/war in Venezuela.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: naff on April 30, 2019, 06:57:46 AM
                    :piss2
Quote from: filler on April 29, 2019, 06:39:18 AM
is this trolling?

piss weak mate
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Transhuman on April 30, 2019, 07:07:20 AM
24 hours from now there may be Venezuelan streets filled with bodies
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 30, 2019, 07:27:21 AM
Hopefully Trump actually pays the military doing the coup
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Tripon on April 30, 2019, 09:13:03 AM
(https://s3.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/eIJg3JePQn_bCthzGZj7QQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW15O3c9NjQwO3E9NzU7c209MQ--/https://boygeniusreport.files.wordpress.com/2019/04/beluga-whale.jpg?quality=98&strip=all)

https://www.yahoo.com/news/norway-thinks-captured-beluga-whale-030744381.html

The Whales have become Russian spies.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: agrajag on April 30, 2019, 10:04:12 AM
https://twitter.com/tonyposnanski/status/1123201460655861760
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 30, 2019, 10:05:27 AM
Quote from: Tripon on April 30, 2019, 09:13:03 AM
(https://s3.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/eIJg3JePQn_bCthzGZj7QQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW15O3c9NjQwO3E9NzU7c209MQ--/https://boygeniusreport.files.wordpress.com/2019/04/beluga-whale.jpg?quality=98&strip=all)

https://www.yahoo.com/news/norway-thinks-captured-beluga-whale-030744381.html

The Whales have become Russian spies.

Russian bot culture is out of a control.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on April 30, 2019, 12:22:35 PM
https://twitter.com/mfox_us/status/1123230975859810304
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 30, 2019, 01:48:18 PM
They're running people over with military trucks

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1123282171031113728 (https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1123282171031113728)

I don't think this coup. I'm sorry, freedom initiative is going very well
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on April 30, 2019, 03:23:52 PM
https://twitter.com/LavenderNRed/status/1123300612408598528
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 30, 2019, 03:30:49 PM
Quote from: filler on April 30, 2019, 03:23:52 PM
https://twitter.com/LavenderNRed/status/1123300612408598528
"Don't worry John, I had the the order drafted to send hats from Washington to Venezuela. Don't know why you need them but I signed off on those hats but that means no spying in Iran this month, OK?"

"Helmets sir. Helmets!"

"Yeah that's what uh I meant, fantastic headwear, whatever it's going to look great on television"


't was the Russians! And the Cubans!

https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/1123296311556460544 (https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/1123296311556460544)

I fear for the live of our boi Gaudo. Now that the coup has seemingly failed.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: BisMarckie on April 30, 2019, 03:32:35 PM
„You can go to a store and buy any kind of uniform.“ :putin

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: BisMarckie on April 30, 2019, 03:36:26 PM
Seriously though to believe that a Nationals cap is evidence is incredibly dumb.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on April 30, 2019, 03:57:58 PM
Quote from: filler on April 30, 2019, 03:23:52 PM
https://twitter.com/LavenderNRed/status/1123300612408598528

Is that another of Smolett's friends?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 30, 2019, 04:07:50 PM
All these paid crisis actors shipped in from LA to pose as starving African children forgot to take off their Rams Super Bowl Champion t-shirts, what a blunder.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on April 30, 2019, 04:09:27 PM
https://twitter.com/PowerBoater69/status/1123297756318244864
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 30, 2019, 04:17:20 PM
Bolton: "President has been monitoring situation minute by minute"

President:
https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1123319306115264513 (https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1123319306115264513)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on April 30, 2019, 04:42:17 PM
https://twitter.com/KevorkAlmassian/status/1123252781824004104


bumping da jamz too  8)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on April 30, 2019, 05:36:29 PM
https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1092221846899040256
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on April 30, 2019, 06:29:45 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1123333506346749952 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1123333506346749952)

Rummy and Dick looking at Bolton's amateur hour coup.

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/images-d207876d/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/04162154/defense-secretary-donald-rumsfeld-200304097ahr.jpg)
(https://www.motherjones.com/wp-content/uploads/cheneylaugh300x200.jpg?w=990)
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on April 30, 2019, 06:44:16 PM
https://youtu.be/WXvPMukLe68
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Kunai With Chain on April 30, 2019, 08:31:26 PM
https://twitter.com/NatSecCNN/status/1123342012860772356
Cubans or Russians? You have to laugh at these bozos making up blatant lies to turn the optics in their faction's favour. Should leave the info war ops to the intelligence community instead.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: BisMarckie on April 30, 2019, 08:38:58 PM
Propaganda has gotten weird.

Imagine if Twitter was around 100years ago.

Austria tweeting @TheRealTsarNicholas @BlackHandOfficial with some kind of corny Franz Ferdinand hashtag.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on April 30, 2019, 11:35:59 PM
https://twitter.com/mfox_us/status/1123407033737326593

https://twitter.com/Greg_Palast/status/1123373808935510016
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on April 30, 2019, 11:49:50 PM
https://twitter.com/shaadieali/status/1123394046007947264

https://twitter.com/ciccmaher/status/1123407208933466120
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on May 01, 2019, 12:44:50 AM
https://twitter.com/umbralDescend/status/1122813033355587586
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Brehvolution on May 01, 2019, 10:52:30 AM
lol examiner

What's brightfarts take?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 01, 2019, 05:19:40 PM
https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1123676318506340356 (https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1123676318506340356)

Why don't you fight like a real man Maduro and shit talk on Twitter.

Like real men do.

You coward  8)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: jorma on May 01, 2019, 05:45:20 PM
Does this mean that Courageous John Bolton will lead the troops onward through the streets of Tehran, instead of cowardly hiding back home in a DC bunker?

big if true!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 01, 2019, 06:48:37 PM
Why hasn't Maduro signed up to Twitter yet to have a flame war with Trump.

:fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on May 01, 2019, 08:17:25 PM
https://twitter.com/vijayprashad/status/1123705024960499712
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Crash Dummy on May 02, 2019, 05:27:43 AM
Quote from: Esch on May 01, 2019, 10:48:10 AM
Very very normal behavior again! Isn't it great that we can all get along?

https://twitter.com/meghara/status/1123519296959913985
:mindblown
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 02, 2019, 11:05:27 AM
Quote from: Nintex on May 01, 2019, 05:19:40 PM
https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1123676318506340356 (https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1123676318506340356)

Why don't you fight like a real man Maduro and shit talk on Twitter.

Like real men do.

You coward  8)

(https://i.imgur.com/QK2Sjpw.jpg?1)

You may not like it, but this is what peak leadership looks like.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Kunai With Chain on May 02, 2019, 12:10:26 PM
https://twitter.com/lrozen/status/1123934031844921348

Imagine thinking this bozo is not going to start a war before 2020 is over. If it has to happen, hope Venezuela takes one for the team instead of Iran.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 02, 2019, 02:30:52 PM
Talk UKIP, get u hit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on May 02, 2019, 02:35:21 PM
Such control, much wow.

Quote
The Department for Transport is cancelling contracts to provide extra ferry services after Brexit.

Ending the contracts with Brittany Ferries and DFDS could cost the taxpayer more than Ł50m.

The government bought Ł89m worth of capacity from the two firms. Some of that capacity might be sold, but millions of pounds could be lost.

The contracts were designed to ease pressure on the port of Dover, by creating extra services at other ports.

In February, the DfT was forced to axe its Ł13.8m contract with a third company, Seaborne Freight, which the BBC found had never sailed a vessel.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48117366
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: VomKriege on May 02, 2019, 02:46:25 PM
Quote from: Crash Dummy on May 02, 2019, 05:27:43 AM
Quote from: Esch on May 01, 2019, 10:48:10 AM
Very very normal behavior again! Isn't it great that we can all get along?

https://twitter.com/meghara/status/1123519296959913985
:mindblown

Who could forget the Cacmikaze ? :japancry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 02, 2019, 06:21:55 PM
I remember when people said Bolsonaro was a far right extremist who would return Brazil to military rule within a week.

All he has done so far is send out hot takes on Twitter and trolling Maduro.  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on May 02, 2019, 06:23:46 PM
wish assy was here to let us know how things are going over there  :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: agrajag on May 02, 2019, 06:35:02 PM
Are the liberal truckers still running rampant on Brazilian soil? That's the real test Bolsonary must face.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 02, 2019, 06:52:31 PM
*Socialists drive military trucks through groups of starving people*
"The US shouldn't pressure them like this. This is their business not ours. We shouldn't meddle in foreign affairs. Maduro was elected!"

*Some washed up rightwing Brazilian politician comes to power because the socialist president is in jail for corruption"
"My god they've elected a NAZI! He will start a military coup within a day!"

*tumbleweed*

 :idont
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: BisMarckie on May 02, 2019, 06:53:13 PM
:beli
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: agrajag on May 02, 2019, 07:01:49 PM
Nintex, delete your Bore account.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on May 02, 2019, 07:18:32 PM
https://twitter.com/teresahernandez/status/1124016337968345088

 :whatisthis
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 02, 2019, 07:30:52 PM
Joined January 2009

Tweets: 38

 :putin

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on May 02, 2019, 07:38:39 PM
https://twitter.com/RuairiWood/status/1124066210436481025
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Mandark on May 02, 2019, 09:26:10 PM
Quote from: Esch on May 02, 2019, 02:21:38 PM
https://twitter.com/SianyJx/status/1123979671006339072

An excuse to link to a beloved blog post:

http://crookedtimber.org/2009/06/12/the-bnp-and-the-egging-laffer-curve/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: benjipwns on May 02, 2019, 10:31:14 PM
Quote from: KennyLoggins on April 30, 2019, 08:38:58 PM
Propaganda has gotten weird.

Imagine if Twitter was around 100years ago.

Austria tweeting @TheRealTsarNicholas @BlackHandOfficial with some kind of corny Franz Ferdinand hashtag.

@Serbia @BlackHandOfficial @TheRealTsarNicholas @JeffGerstmann (1/11) Our demands are as follows:

1. Suppress all publications which "incite hatred and contempt of the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy" and are "directed against its territorial integrity".

#EndTheJulyCrisis #48HoursToPeace

OfficialHouseOfHabsburg - July 23 - 28.6K Likes - 104K Retweets
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on May 03, 2019, 01:06:20 AM
https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1124155750836834304

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on May 03, 2019, 04:23:37 PM
Holy shit :lol

Quote
The Conservatives have lost 1,334 councillors, with Theresa May saying voters wanted the main parties to "get on" with Brexit.

Labour also lost 82 seats in the English local elections, in which it had been expected to make gains.

But the strongly pro-EU Lib Dems gained 703 seats, with leader Sir Vince Cable calling every vote received "a vote for stopping Brexit".

The Greens and independents also made gains, as UKIP lost seats.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Occam on May 03, 2019, 05:07:06 PM
Party    Councillors    Change +/-
Conservative   3562   -1334
Labour   2023   -82
Liberal Democrat   1350   +703
Green   265   +194
UKIP   31   -145
Others   1179   +662

Too bad this isn't a general election, otherwise Lib Dems, Greens and Labour could now end Brexit together.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on May 04, 2019, 12:00:40 AM
https://twitter.com/walid970721/status/1124294408319508480

 :lol :lol :lol

saudi royals annihilated
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on May 04, 2019, 02:35:52 AM
https://twitter.com/oulosP/status/1124461752853434368

https://twitter.com/RuruRola73/status/1124534103540240390

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 04, 2019, 12:00:49 PM
I never thought I'd see the day that Donald Trump lived rent free in the islamic clerics heads to the point that their preaching revolves around him and replaces their prophets and prophecies.  :doge

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: agrajag on May 04, 2019, 12:47:22 PM
#beastmode
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Kunai With Chain on May 04, 2019, 01:52:21 PM
Quote from: Nintex on May 04, 2019, 12:00:49 PM
I never thought I'd see the day that Donald Trump lived rent free in the islamic clerics heads to the point that their preaching revolves around him and replaces their prophets and prophecies.  :doge
You think Nasrallah comes out of hiding to give friday prayer sermons over video or something?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: benjipwns on May 05, 2019, 05:19:54 AM
that Sargon/Nintex BOOM

https://twitter.com/326Pols/status/1124027861214666752
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 05, 2019, 06:41:56 AM
It doesn't matter Benji. Sargon might not make it. We don't know, he's the dark horse candidate.
The Arya Stark that jumps from the shadow to take on Verhofstadt.

But our boi Nigel is doing well for himself so all is good.

Because the EU is run by psychopaths.

Let's use unborn children for our political ads because we're entirely out of ideas and your unborn child is potentially in danger.
https://twitter.com/Europarl_EN/status/1121292755576057856 (https://twitter.com/Europarl_EN/status/1121292755576057856)

Not even Dick Cheney went this low but there's no bar low enough for the EU to cling to power.

They fucked up:
- Euro
- Terrorism (everything they did, especially invading Libya made everything worse)
- Employment (youth unemployment is high in a number of states (over 50%))
- Expansion to the East (Ukraine is a fucking mess)
- Migration (migrants piled up in Greece for years before they finally took action)
- Basic democratic rights (in France protesters are getting beat up every weekend)

The borg is now moving on to:
- Everything that is fun (from fast cars to Netflix, everything needs to be regulated)
- Military (combined EU Army)
- Retirement savings
- EU Taxation
- Healthcare

Remember Maidan?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQnXo2HMriQ
Here Verhofstadt declared victory on Russia in the political fight over Ukraine on February 21st. Announcing sanctions to deter Russian agression and promising the EU would stand with Ukraine.
Yanukovich fled the next day on February 22nd. A week later (February 27th) Putin would send his green men to occupy Crimea.

Usually when so many things go wrong you can vote out the people responsible.
The EU is turning very much into the EUSSR with the same faces and political blocks clinging on to power and dangling carrots like 'Free Wifi' or 10 year economic plans.
It is shocking how far the EU is removed from its original goal and purpose. Which was always to spread democracy, freedom a more equal society and to fight corruption.

The EU is sort of stuck in place so the only way to get back to a more free society is to break it apart so the individual states can once again serve their citizens instead of the borg.
Because in principe everyone in Europe agrees that we should work together but many of us don't like this particular way of authoritarian rule from Brussels fueled by the failed ideology of sparpolitik(austerity) and people that masturbate to the thought of another war with Russia.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on May 05, 2019, 08:49:48 AM
:lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Tripon on May 05, 2019, 09:54:13 AM
Quote from: Nintex on May 05, 2019, 06:41:56 AM
It doesn't matter Benji. Sargon might not make it. We don't know, he's the dark horse candidate.
The Arya Stark that jumps from the shadow to take on Verhofstadt.

But our boi Nigel is doing well for himself so all is good.

Because the EU is run by psychopaths.

Let's use unborn children for our political ads because we're entirely out of ideas and your unborn child is potentially in danger.
https://twitter.com/Europarl_EN/status/1121292755576057856 (https://twitter.com/Europarl_EN/status/1121292755576057856)

Not even Dick Cheney went this low but there's no bar low enough for the EU to cling to power.

They fucked up:
- Euro
- Terrorism (everything they did, especially invading Libya made everything worse)
- Employment (youth unemployment is high in a number of states (over 50%))
- Expansion to the East (Ukraine is a fucking mess)
- Migration (migrants piled up in Greece for years before they finally took action)
- Basic democratic rights (in France protesters are getting beat up every weekend)

The borg is now moving on to:
- Everything that is fun (from fast cars to Netflix, everything needs to be regulated)
- Military (combined EU Army)
- Retirement savings
- EU Taxation
- Healthcare

Remember Maidan?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQnXo2HMriQ
Here Verhofstadt declared victory on Russia in the political fight over Ukraine on February 21st. Announcing sanctions to deter Russian agression and promising the EU would stand with Ukraine.
Yanukovich fled the next day on February 22nd. A week later (February 27th) Putin would send his green men to occupy Crimea.

Usually when so many things go wrong you can vote out the people responsible.
The EU is turning very much into the EUSSR with the same faces and political blocks clinging on to power and dangling carrots like 'Free Wifi' or 10 year economic plans.
It is shocking how far the EU is removed from its original goal and purpose. Which was always to spread democracy, freedom a more equal society and to fight corruption.

The EU is sort of stuck in place so the only way to get back to a more free society is to break it apart so the individual states can once again serve their citizens instead of the borg.
Because in principe everyone in Europe agrees that we should work together but many of us don't like this particular way of authoritarian rule from Brussels fueled by the failed ideology of sparpolitik(austerity) and people that masturbate to the thought of another war with Russia.

So you're saying that the British actually have a voice in the EU?  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on May 05, 2019, 12:07:02 PM
https://twitter.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/1124815322811334656

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on May 05, 2019, 02:40:56 PM
Quote from: Tripon on May 05, 2019, 09:54:13 AM
So you're saying that the British actually have a voice in the EU?  :doge

Don't be ridiculous. Everyone knows that the unelected elitist bureaucrats in Brussels do whatever the fuck they want and countries have no say whatsoever. 'bout time the UK takes back CONTROL and SOVEREIGNTY.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/status/1114086264024727554

Oh. Nevermind.
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Tripon on May 05, 2019, 04:33:37 PM
https://twitter.com/SonicFox5000/status/1123654224691257345
https://twitter.com/helenlewis/status/1123292599186489344
https://twitter.com/BGPOT/status/1122524187476807682
https://twitter.com/splendid_ssbm/status/1123672254913622018

Sonic Fox vs the MEPs.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 05, 2019, 04:57:40 PM
The 2021 parliamentary election

Sonicfox vs. Sargon of Akkad

 :bow
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Kunai With Chain on May 06, 2019, 02:55:34 AM
Some news coming out that Iranian President Rouhani is set to announce on Wednesday partially ceasing some JCPOA commitment as a response to US sanctions.

This is a real beauty, they wasted 2-3 years doing nothing, now that there is only a year left until US elections they decide to finally pull their finger our of their ass and make this worthless gesture. I can see why Iran needs to restore some leverage in any future negotiations with whichever admin comes next. But I bet all this will do is make the Europeans side with Trump and use the snap back UN sanction mechanism instead, completely destroying the deal in process.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Rufus on May 06, 2019, 02:41:55 PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-election-istanbul/turkish-board-rules-to-re-run-istanbul-election-lost-by-erdogans-ak-party-idUSKCN1SC11O

:shaq2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: toku on May 06, 2019, 06:15:16 PM
https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1125517200759099392
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 06, 2019, 06:23:07 PM
John Bolton has been busy this week  :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on May 06, 2019, 06:23:59 PM
https://twitter.com/TarX68/status/1125519943976607756
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Transhuman on May 06, 2019, 09:50:30 PM
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/prime-minister-scott-morrison-egged-at-election-function

Stay safe
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on May 06, 2019, 10:50:15 PM
REM's 21.5% to RN's 22%, whatever. In 2017, Macron got 24% of the vote and Le Pen got 21.3%, so that's barely any change.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: VomKriege on May 07, 2019, 05:16:38 AM
It's all domestic theater but it's not exactly a good sign, no matter how statistically insignificant it may be. Macron made a big deal about Europe and basically dressed himself as the head of a paneuropean push against "populist".

Other numbers from that poll : half the voters, or more, won't bother to show up. The closest runner is F-X.Bellamy for the institutional conservatives at 13,5%. No leftist list is even at 10% which isn't surprising because the Greens, the Socialists, breakaway Socialists, the radical left & the Communists are all running separate candidates. The Greens and the radicals are hovering at 8% or so but a lot of voters could shift still at that end of the spectrum.

The whole political landscape is stagnating in its impotence and Macron seems more and more like a default placeholder rather than a consensus maker. With the far right as the only "credible" opposition you're running the risk of their containment (which is constantly eroding) falling apart with them making a breakthrough in 2020 - 2021 - 2022 (respectively mayoral, local and regional then presidential and National Assembly elections).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on May 07, 2019, 12:04:28 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48185348

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Police are looking into remarks by UKIP candidate Carl Benjamin after Labour MP Jess Phillips accused him of malicious communications.

Nintex post if ur ok.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: BisMarckie on May 07, 2019, 12:14:46 PM
Sargon of Akkad is an idiot and a joke, but being charged for malicious communications by a MP is some bullshit. :pacspit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on May 07, 2019, 02:31:34 PM
 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

https://twitter.com/CatTaroni/status/1125728836610605061
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Occam on May 07, 2019, 04:28:20 PM
Lord Buckethead isn't running?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 07, 2019, 05:24:52 PM
https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1125869026159341568 (https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1125869026159341568)
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1125873173373882368 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1125873173373882368)

Sounds like Operation FREEDOM EAGLE is a go.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on May 07, 2019, 10:04:42 PM
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“We find that the sanctions [on Venezuela] have inflicted, and increasingly inflict, very serious harm to human life and health, including an estimated more than 40,000 deaths from 2017-2018; and that these sanctions would fit the definition of collective punishment of the civilian population as described in both the Geneva and Hague international conventions, to which the U.S. is a signatory,” the report, published by the Centre for Economic and Policy Research (CEPR), says.

“They are also illegal under international law and treaties which the U.S. has signed, and would appear to violate U.S. law as well,” it says. Sachs co-authored the report with CEPR's Mark Weisbrot.

Excuse me, sir! Maybe you are not aware, but the United States is exempted from most international laws.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Brehvolution on May 08, 2019, 08:46:14 AM
https://twitter.com/Greg_Palast/status/1123995230401957888
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 08, 2019, 06:19:10 PM
Today they sanctioned mining and steel

But also
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1126197114302803968 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1126197114302803968)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: benjipwns on May 08, 2019, 06:20:23 PM
Quote from: shosta on May 07, 2019, 10:04:42 PM
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“We find that the sanctions [on Venezuela] have inflicted, and increasingly inflict, very serious harm to human life and health, including an estimated more than 40,000 deaths from 2017-2018; and that these sanctions would fit the definition of collective punishment of the civilian population as described in both the Geneva and Hague international conventions, to which the U.S. is a signatory,” the report, published by the Centre for Economic and Policy Research (CEPR), says.

“They are also illegal under international law and treaties which the U.S. has signed, and would appear to violate U.S. law as well,” it says. Sachs co-authored the report with CEPR's Mark Weisbrot.

Excuse me, sir! Maybe you are not aware, but the United States is exempted from most international laws.
also U.S. law
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: benjipwns on May 09, 2019, 11:35:10 AM
have they tried getting better fathers/husbands as Robert Gibbs helpfully suggested?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Occam on May 09, 2019, 11:35:18 AM
Well of course you've got time bombs at your hands if you allow the children to return along with their mothers.
Case in point: These women are still wearing full body veils. They have learned nothing and given the chance are going to indoctrinate their children to believe the same mental poison they fell victim to. The humane thing would be to separate the children from them and allow them to have a normal childhood far away from this.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Occam on May 09, 2019, 11:40:03 AM
Quote from: Esch on May 09, 2019, 11:37:51 AM
Quote from: Occam on May 09, 2019, 11:35:18 AM
. The humane thing would be to separate the children from them

:gopnik

If this was 70 years ago, I wouldn't have wanted a child to be brought up in an (unrepentant) SS family, either.
Children deserve to be protected from parents such as these.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Kara on May 09, 2019, 11:43:28 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/e3amVgO.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Occam on May 09, 2019, 11:45:11 AM
Ever heard of child protective services?
Must be a Trump organization, according to your logic.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: BisMarckie on May 09, 2019, 11:48:22 AM
Labeling the families of ISIS volunteers as refugees is pretty disingenuous though. :larry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Occam on May 09, 2019, 11:51:13 AM
Quote from: KennyLoggins on May 09, 2019, 11:48:22 AM
Labeling the families of ISIS volunteers as refugees is pretty disingenuous though. :larry

They are seeking refuge from the people they tried to enslave or murder. :D
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: BisMarckie on May 09, 2019, 11:51:16 AM
The whole situation is a PR nightmare for European governments. The tolerance of the populace to accept people back that went to Syria and Iraq to support their spouses to kill infidels is pretty low. I don‘t think that situation is gonna change anytime soon.


My point is:

Politics after 1933 suck.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 09, 2019, 01:49:21 PM
The world should come together and save these children.
Give them the best education that money can buy with scholarships from Apple and Disney and a loving foster home.

This will show every zealot that no matter your upbringing you can become successful through the power of capitalism and freedom and that you should renounce your false gods before you imagine they ask you to burn your kid at the stake to combat the effects of global warming.



Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: BisMarckie on May 09, 2019, 01:57:46 PM
:camby
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on May 09, 2019, 04:53:09 PM
Quote
Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro’s government arrested a top opposition leader on Wednesday night — by towing his car with him inside.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on May 09, 2019, 04:58:49 PM
former bus driver, now driving tow truck!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 09, 2019, 05:10:38 PM
John Bolton (via Twitter from the Pentagon): "You cowards!!!"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 09, 2019, 05:20:53 PM
https://twitter.com/tarapalmeri/status/1126535592047783937 (https://twitter.com/tarapalmeri/status/1126535592047783937)

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on May 09, 2019, 05:28:26 PM
https://twitter.com/TomKCTV5/status/1126537639165865984
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on May 10, 2019, 12:27:55 AM
wapo
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President Trump is questioning his administration’s aggressive strategy in Venezuela following the failure of a U.S.-backed effort to oust President Nicolás Maduro, complaining he was misled about how easy it would be to replace the socialist strongman with a young opposition figure, according to administration officials and White House advisers.

The president’s dissatisfaction has crystallized around national security adviser John Bolton and what Trump has groused is an interventionist stance at odds with his view that the United States should stay out of foreign quagmires.

Trump has said in recent days that Bolton wants to get him “into a war” — a comment that he has made in jest in the past but that now betrays his more serious concerns, one senior administration official said.
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Trump has expressed concern that Bolton has boxed him into a corner and gone beyond where he is comfortable, said a U.S. official familiar with U.S.-Venezuela policy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on May 10, 2019, 12:38:53 AM
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The US's sanctions have triggered an economic crisis in Iran; the currency lost more than 60 percent of its value against the dollar last year, while inflation is predicted to reach 40 percent this year. Iran's economy, which shrank by 3.9 percent last year, could plummet by another six percent, the International Monetary Fund said. That estimate preceded the latest round of US sanctions on Iranian oil.

Britain, Germany and France have so far failed to ease the financial pressure. In January, the three countries announced a new trade channel, called Instex, to bypass US sanctions. The mechanism's launch has been delayed repeatedly.

someone should kill the president
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 10, 2019, 12:33:26 PM
Quote from: shosta on May 10, 2019, 12:38:53 AM
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The US's sanctions have triggered an economic crisis in Iran; the currency lost more than 60 percent of its value against the dollar last year, while inflation is predicted to reach 40 percent this year. Iran's economy, which shrank by 3.9 percent last year, could plummet by another six percent, the International Monetary Fund said. That estimate preceded the latest round of US sanctions on Iranian oil.

Britain, Germany and France have so far failed to ease the financial pressure. In January, the three countries announced a new trade channel, called Instex, to bypass US sanctions. The mechanism's launch has been delayed repeatedly.

someone should kill the president

Bolton: All according to keikaku*!

*keikaku means "war in the Middle East"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on May 10, 2019, 02:08:10 PM
Rick Scott has a few words to say (annotated)
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I am not interested in “nation-building.” [very interested in nation-destroying, though] And as a Navy veteran, I am very cautious when it comes to the idea of using military force. I hate to disappoint those who want the United States to right all the world’s wrongs, but long ago I came to terms with the fact that we cannot do that.

I do want the United States to continue to be a beacon of hope and freedom, but we simply cannot commit military forces unless we absolutely must.

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Which brings me to Venezuela. I was at the border between Colombia and Venezuela a few weeks ago. What is happening in Venezuela is a human tragedy. Let’s look at the facts:
here we go...

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The United Nations estimates that 3.4 million refugees have fled the country. Almost 90 percent of the population lives in poverty, and shortages of food and medicine are becoming desperate.
How do sanctions help? How does an embargo help? How does refusing to buy Venezuelan oil help? How does trying to distribute aid through an illegitimate government help? How does preventing them from renegotiating loans help?

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This is a man-made crisis. [You're getting warmer!] Nicolás Maduro, the ruthless dictator of Venezuela, is killing his own citizens, including women and children. Venezuela has a legitimate constitutional leader: Juan Guaidó, who, as president of the National Assembly, the last democratically elected body in the country, is constitutionally required to serve as interim president [for three months] until new free and fair elections take place. President Trump has skillfully [:lol] called the world’s attention to the situation, and has amassed the support of more than 50 countries that recognize Guaidó as the legitimate president.

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As an aside, Democrats would do well to study Venezuela as they contemplate their current flirtation with the most discredited idea from the 20th century: socialism.
Which Democratic politician suggests we have a single commodity economy vulnerable to global crashes? Or price controls? I could just as easily say that during perestroika capitalism became the most discredited idea of the 20st century and I would be lying just as much.

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But, as I said, it is not the United States’ job to send our young men and women into harm’s way to right all of the world’s wrongs. So even if you conclude that the above list of facts does not justify the intervention of the United States, there is a massive and far-reaching problem I haven’t mentioned yet: our own self-interest.

Venezuela is in our hemisphere. Russian troops are already in Venezuela. [You have been talking about invading Venezuela! Why do you think they're there?]

Do you think it would be in our national interest to allow the Russians — or the Cubans, the Iranians or Chinese — to install military bases there? Naval ports? Should we allow Hezbollah to roam free? [Russia and China have had good relations with Venezuela for years and this hasn't happened yet. But anyway, what does this mean: should we bomb the Chinese military base in Djibouti?]

We must do all in our power to ensure that doesn’t happen.

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Similarly, we don’t want a Syria in our hemisphere — a place where foreign powers and terrorist groups can set up camp and sow discord throughout the continent. [Then stop trying to overthrow the government in power or start a civil war!] Consider the ramifications this would have for our southern border [:gurl] and for the stability of the United States. This is not complicated.

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There used to be a thing called the Monroe Doctrine; it was taught in history classes. President James Monroe made it clear in 1823 in his annual speech to Congress that the Western Hemisphere was closed to future colonization, and any attempt by a foreign power to oppress or control any nation in the Western Hemisphere would be viewed as a hostile act against the United States.
Steal a third of your territory and intervene in your neighbor's business 41 times. "It's anti-colonialism."  :)
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To that I say: amen. I have no interest in dictating anything to the people of Venezuela [:neogaf]. But I absolutely do believe we should dictate a few things to the Russians, the Cubans and the Chinese. No, we will not allow you to set up shop in Venezuela [:neogaf]. We will not allow you to take over that country [:neogaf], and we will not allow you to establish any military presence in our hemisphere.
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We should never allow another Cuba, and we must not stick our heads in the sand and pretend we don’t know what is going on.
In Zizek's voice: yes, I agree, but ironically.

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When it comes to our security, the current migration crisis from Central America on our southern border will pale in comparison with the mass exodus the Maduro regime will unleash under the direction of Russia and Cuba. Dictators in Latin America have effectively used mass migration against the United States time and time again. [Wtf? Citations, please?!]

To be clear — I respect those who are cautious about the dangers of military intervention. I am generally among them. [Clearly you are fucking not!] But it’s time to also acknowledge that inaction can be an equally dangerous course, if not more so. Doing nothing always seems safe, though it can be the most reckless and irresponsible course.

If the cause of freedom is crushed in Venezuela, and it results in foreign powers establishing a launching pad and outpost there for their hostility against the United States, we will look back on the spring of 2019 and wonder how it is that we were so shortsighted, how we ignored the wisdom of President Monroe. I pray that is not the case.
If we don't start a civil war in a vulnerable country with an economic crisis, seize oil rights (you'll remember that the 2002 general strike and coup attempt was over the 33% oil royalty), dismantle all social programs, and place the government under a bondage and discipline IMF program in exchange for desperately needed loans, Chinese Huawei execs will intentionally send Karavans of poor indigenous people to our border like some kind of twisted tower defense game and Hezbollah will be one step closer to putting a shawarma truck on every street corner in America.

Rick Scott, get some help.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: agrajag on May 10, 2019, 02:28:46 PM
look at this saber rattling turd

https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1126891759299117062
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 10, 2019, 04:31:23 PM
Republicans: "War with Venezuela now!"

Trump:  :pika :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on May 10, 2019, 09:13:06 PM
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India has been Iran’s second-largest oil customer after China and has been buying Iranian oil at discount rates as Iran was offering very attractive terms to Indian buyers, including almost free shipping and an extended credit period for payment.

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The end of the U.S. sanction waivers will hit India hard because it has to pay more for alternate oil supplies at a time when the country is in the middle of elections and higher gasoline and diesel prices will not sit well with any voter.

[...]

Asked if the U.S. would consider selling its crude to India at discount rates to offset the expected shortfall in Iranian supply, Ross said, as carried by Reuters: “Oil is owned by private people so the government cannot force people to make concessionary prices.”

With friends like these... :heartbeat
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 10, 2019, 09:14:08 PM
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including almost free shipping

Amazon Prime for oil :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Broseidon on May 11, 2019, 05:35:43 PM
They put it on the walls so why not  :yeshrug
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on May 11, 2019, 06:36:10 PM
https://twitter.com/theScore/status/1126930958601601024

 :putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: BIONIC on May 11, 2019, 07:17:08 PM
Is there anything this man cannot do? :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: BIONIC on May 11, 2019, 07:40:34 PM
:rodney
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on May 12, 2019, 03:28:41 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/PEWmjTR.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Tripon on May 12, 2019, 10:59:04 AM
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WARSAW (Reuters) - Hundreds of far-right supporters marched in Warsaw on Saturday to protest against a U.S. law on the restitution of Jewish property seized during or after World War Two, an issue increasingly featuring in campaigns for upcoming Polish elections.

Carrying placards with slogans including “Poland has no obligations” and “Holocaust hyenas”, demonstrators marched from the prime minister’s office to the U.S. embassy in central Warsaw.

Poland was home to one of the world’s biggest Jewish communities before it was almost entirely wiped out by Nazi German occupiers who set up death camps such as Auschwitz on Polish soil.

Former owners and their descendents have been campaigning since the fall of communism in 1989 to be compensated for lost property, which was seized by Poland’s authoritarian rulers but successive Polish administrations have lacked the money or determination to resolve the issue.

The nationalist Law and Justice (PiS) government has said that as a victim in World War Two Poland should not be saddled with any financial obligations.

Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki repeated that message at an election rally in the northern town of Mlawa on Saturday, state run news agency PAP reported.

“We will not allow any damages to be paid to anyone because it is us who should get damages,” PAP quoted him as saying.

Poland will hold European parliament elections on May 26. Elections for its own parliament will take place in the autumn.

The Justice for Uncompensated Survivors Today (JUST) Act, or Act 447, requires the U.S. Department of State to provide a report to Congress on the progress of dozens of countries that signed a declaration in 2009 on the restitution of assets seized during or following World War Two.

The so-called Terezin declaration also includes provisions to give formerly Jewish-owned property with no heirs to Holocaust survivors in need of financial help or to support education on the subject.

“There is no such law in the world that would sanction (restitution of heirless property) and the Americans want to force us to pay those damages which are simply illegitimate,” said Adam Jureczek, a driver from the south-western region of Silesia.

On a visit to Warsaw on Wednesday, the U.S. State Department’s special envoy for monitoring and combating anti-Semitism, Elan Carr, said Act 447 only obliged the U.S. government to prepare a report on compliance with the Terezin declaration and it was up to Poland to decide how it would comply.

Polish far-right supporters have said that the law could result in Jewish organisations demanding as much as $300 billion in compensation.

More than 3 million of Poland’s Jewish population of 3.2 million were killed during the Holocaust.

The PiS party, which has been ahead in most polls for the European elections, has succeeded in building a broad coalition of conservative-minded voters, but critics have accused it of turning a blind eye to far-right extremism.

Prior to Saturday’s march, two anti-fascist activists wrote to Warsaw’s local government warning of possible anti-Semitic hate speech at the protest, daily Gazeta Wyborcza reported.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-poland-israel/polish-far-right-supporters-protest-against-restitution-of-jewish-property-idUSKCN1SH0HA

:yikes

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on May 12, 2019, 03:33:26 PM
https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1127657672810086401
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Tripon on May 12, 2019, 05:51:45 PM
https://twitter.com/MarkDiStef/status/1126879279411757057

Who knew that making rape jokes had consequences.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 12, 2019, 06:14:37 PM
Reading up on this
Quote
“The man who has been basically a hate preacher and has targeted me for years – and not just me, he has done it to other women, too – only yesterday was he demonetised on YouTube,” she said. “If you’re neutral in the face of fascism then you’re an appeaser, so yes, they’ve got to do much, much more.”
That labour MP thinks some edgelord fatso on YouTube = fascism.

Quote
“There’s been an awful lot of talk about whether I would or wouldn’t rape Jess Phillips,” Benjamin said in one of his videos on the platform. “I’ve been in a lot of trouble for my hardline stance of not even raping her. I suppose with enough pressure I might cave. But let’s be honest, nobody’s got that much beer.”
:dead

I ike the VICE headline as well
Quote
YouTube Has Demonetized One of GamerGate's Biggest Voices

I guess that's where the Waypoint people moved their desks to lmao
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on May 12, 2019, 11:06:16 PM
Brexit is literally never going to happen, is it?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: BisMarckie on May 13, 2019, 10:09:09 AM
Leave US politics in the other garbage thread. :camby
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: BisMarckie on May 13, 2019, 11:01:09 AM
I just wanted to know how being a mod must feel like. :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 13, 2019, 01:28:07 PM
https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1127986367458422785 (https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1127986367458422785)

https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1127987921288613891 (https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1127987921288613891)

https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1127986802936176640 (https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1127986802936176640)

Jesus, Farrage will electorally murder all these clowns.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on May 13, 2019, 02:01:51 PM
https://twitter.com/KevorkAlmassian/status/1127723614843940864
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on May 14, 2019, 12:00:16 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC1vw5zV7xk
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Kunai With Chain on May 14, 2019, 03:33:58 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/13/world/middleeast/us-military-plans-iran.html
Quote
White House Reviews Military Plans Against Iran, in Echoes of Iraq War

At a meeting of President Trump’s top national security aides last Thursday, Acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan presented an updated military plan that envisions sending as many as 120,000 troops to the Middle East should Iran attack American forces or accelerate work on nuclear weapons, administration officials said.

The revisions were ordered by hard-liners led by John R. Bolton, Mr. Trump’s national security adviser. They do not call for a land invasion of Iran, which would require vastly more troops, officials said.
Shit, here we go again
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: BisMarckie on May 14, 2019, 11:17:49 AM
Quote from: filler on May 14, 2019, 12:00:16 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC1vw5zV7xk

The Canadian version of the CIA trying to assassinate Castro.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 14, 2019, 03:06:13 PM
Quote from: Kunai With Chain on May 14, 2019, 03:33:58 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/13/world/middleeast/us-military-plans-iran.html
Quote
White House Reviews Military Plans Against Iran, in Echoes of Iraq War

At a meeting of President Trump’s top national security aides last Thursday, Acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan presented an updated military plan that envisions sending as many as 120,000 troops to the Middle East should Iran attack American forces or accelerate work on nuclear weapons, administration officials said.

The revisions were ordered by hard-liners led by John R. Bolton, Mr. Trump’s national security adviser. They do not call for a land invasion of Iran, which would require vastly more troops, officials said.
Shit, here we go again

https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/1128324697530208257 (https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/1128324697530208257)

At least this war will offer some comedic relief  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 14, 2019, 05:15:43 PM
CENTCOM has just thrown their second in command under the bus after he said there weren't any new threats.

https://twitter.com/LizSly/status/1128402062579044355 (https://twitter.com/LizSly/status/1128402062579044355)

If the planning by Rumsfeld, Cheney and others who walked around with the idea to invade Iraq for over a decade was inadequate.
Imagine what the war plans and post-conflict planning of the Trump administration looks like.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on May 14, 2019, 05:18:17 PM
the intelligence the US is acting on came from Israel but I'm sure that's immaterial
:shh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 14, 2019, 06:00:26 PM
If it happens it'll be the first war in recorded history declared with incoherent rambling about stealing oil, infrastructure, tremendous numbers, big tough generals and some USAF pilot named Miike with a cool helmet who has to do most of the hard work but doesn't care because he loves his country. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 14, 2019, 07:25:29 PM
Jared's gonna have a lot on his plate.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Kara on May 15, 2019, 10:02:28 PM
Quote from: Occam on May 09, 2019, 11:45:11 AM
Ever heard of child protective services?
Must be a Trump organization, according to your logic.

Total and permanent separation of parents from children by child protective services is not particularly common, and certainly less common or uniformly applied than what you proposed.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on May 16, 2019, 03:24:42 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Zv4yKFd.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on May 16, 2019, 01:03:08 PM
I didn't even notice this because no one is talking about it but Venezuela has, since Monday, gotten rid of its currency exchange controls. The primary reason for Venezuelan inflation is now eliminated. They probably should dollarize the economy for stability but even barring that, it's time to give the government revenue sources again and start reinvesting in the economy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 16, 2019, 02:03:32 PM
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsPolitics/status/1129012193595416576 (https://twitter.com/SkyNewsPolitics/status/1129012193595416576)

Yaasssssss
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Occam on May 16, 2019, 03:31:19 PM
Quote from: Nintex on May 16, 2019, 02:03:32 PM
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsPolitics/status/1129012193595416576 (https://twitter.com/SkyNewsPolitics/status/1129012193595416576)

Yaasssssss

I'll probably regret this, but why does this make you happy?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: benjipwns on May 16, 2019, 04:23:00 PM
Nintex tries for the "praise fuckery" angle.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on May 16, 2019, 04:25:47 PM
 :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Kunai With Chain on May 17, 2019, 05:26:03 AM
https://twitter.com/NoahShachtman/status/1129178352193904640

 :pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Occam on May 17, 2019, 10:43:01 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/AndrewDessler/status/1128318113085366272

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6fbaqdWwAEPg5Z?format=png&name=900x900)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 17, 2019, 12:54:16 PM
Ah yes Graphs,

Makes everything seem less menacing

(https://abload.de/img/fireshotcapture407-one7kuq.png)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5cd8fab4f067171ef7384821-750-563.jpg)
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on May 17, 2019, 03:29:49 PM
VICE - COLOMBIA TELLS 800 VENEZUELAN SOLDIERS TO GET A JOB INSTEAD OF OVERTHROWING MADURO (https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/zmpzx4/colombia-tells-800-venezuelan-soldiers-to-get-a-job-instead-of-overthrowing-maduro)

Quote
Williams Cancino thought he had come to Colombia to join an army that would one day liberate his native Venezuela from embattled President Nicolas Maduro’s grasp. For almost three months, he waited alongside more than 800 fellow military defectors for the revolution to begin.

But it never did. Now, instead of worrying if he’ll ever receive his marching orders from Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido, he’s scrambling to find a place to sleep.

This week, as representatives for Guaido traveled to Norway to hold talks with Venezuelan government officials, Colombia announced it was changing its policy towards the Venezuelan military defectors and their family members, who since February have been housed and fed in three hotels at a cost to the government of more than $10,000 per day. Cancino and his comrades were given eight days to leave the hotels and find somewhere else to stay.

“We feel defrauded,” Cancino said. “We left everything behind — family, work, our lives — just to start here from zero? This was something very poorly done, very poorly organized.”

Quote
Their stay in Colombia has encountered numerous issues, including the Venezuelan opposition often being late paying their share of the hotel bill, several defectors recounted, which led to them getting booted with their luggage into the streets outside one hotel until the debt was covered.

:dead wondering whether trump administration was worth it for this headline alone
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on May 17, 2019, 05:02:58 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/xPXse41.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on May 17, 2019, 05:04:46 PM
Who could have possibly seen this coming?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48304867

Quote
Talks between Labour and the government aimed at breaking the Brexit impasse have ended without an agreement.

Jeremy Corbyn said the discussions had "gone as far as they can", blaming what he called the government's "increasing weakness and instability".

Theresa May said the lack of a "common position" within Labour over a further referendum had made talks "difficult".
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 17, 2019, 07:15:17 PM
Quote from: shosta on May 17, 2019, 03:29:49 PM
VICE - COLOMBIA TELLS 800 VENEZUELAN SOLDIERS TO GET A JOB INSTEAD OF OVERTHROWING MADURO (https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/zmpzx4/colombia-tells-800-venezuelan-soldiers-to-get-a-job-instead-of-overthrowing-maduro)

Quote
Williams Cancino thought he had come to Colombia to join an army that would one day liberate his native Venezuela from embattled President Nicolas Maduro’s grasp. For almost three months, he waited alongside more than 800 fellow military defectors for the revolution to begin.

But it never did. Now, instead of worrying if he’ll ever receive his marching orders from Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido, he’s scrambling to find a place to sleep.

This week, as representatives for Guaido traveled to Norway to hold talks with Venezuelan government officials, Colombia announced it was changing its policy towards the Venezuelan military defectors and their family members, who since February have been housed and fed in three hotels at a cost to the government of more than $10,000 per day. Cancino and his comrades were given eight days to leave the hotels and find somewhere else to stay.

“We feel defrauded,” Cancino said. “We left everything behind — family, work, our lives — just to start here from zero? This was something very poorly done, very poorly organized.”

Quote
Their stay in Colombia has encountered numerous issues, including the Venezuelan opposition often being late paying their share of the hotel bill, several defectors recounted, which led to them getting booted with their luggage into the streets outside one hotel until the debt was covered.

:dead wondering whether trump administration was worth it for this headline alone
I made a joke about Trump not paying the coup people a couple of weeks ago.

Quote
This was something very poorly done, very poorly organized.
prepare for Operation Persian Freedom. You ain't seen nothing yet.
 :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Potato on May 18, 2019, 07:36:37 AM
Interesting results in the Australian Federal election tonight.

Labor Party thought they had it in the bag, but the electorate said, yeah nah cunt, I think we'll stick with old mate who's in there now.

I guess when you're trying to win government is not a good idea to say to a bunch of people who rely on coal mining to survive that you are going to phase out their industry.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Occam on May 18, 2019, 10:13:32 AM
Yeah, should have lied about it and then phased it out.

Lying is the way to go nowadays, there are no consequences.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: paprikastaude on May 18, 2019, 03:26:35 PM
Austrian neo-nazi government cancelled today after a video showing corrupt deals with Russians was shadow-dropped :rejoice Even this old nazi country does what you mericans can't  :girlaff :crowdlaff 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 19, 2019, 02:01:02 PM
https://twitter.com/BarzanSadiq/status/1130167532776771584 (https://twitter.com/BarzanSadiq/status/1130167532776771584)

 :anhuld
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on May 19, 2019, 03:08:40 PM
*mossad
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 19, 2019, 04:45:52 PM
So Yurop frens how is the EU election(TM) going in your member state?
In our country the ruling party (VVD) is in a shared 1st spot with the now famous FVD.

Thierry has challenged our PM Mark Rutte to a debate the day prior to the vote and he has accepted after some back and forth about the terms.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NGdKCERf3tM/maxresdefault.jpg)
On the left leader of the FVD Thierry Baudet
On the right a former journalist who now lives in New York who will be Thierry's man in Brussels

The ruling party is bombarding Thierry with YouTube videos critizing him, which only makes his position as a legitimate challenger stronger.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Tripon on May 19, 2019, 05:04:50 PM
.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on May 20, 2019, 01:59:05 AM
https://twitter.com/telesurenglish/status/1130322457192275970

 :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 20, 2019, 02:18:01 PM
https://twitter.com/Ruptly/status/1130457570357993472 (https://twitter.com/Ruptly/status/1130457570357993472)

 :mynicca
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 20, 2019, 02:35:41 PM
Fear will keep the local oblasts in line.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: VomKriege on May 21, 2019, 04:03:00 AM
French Socialists are good for a laugh if anything, as Raphael Glucksmann (I'm sure Kara will be familiar with his father), who leads the Place Publique list (feat. the remnants of the PSF), met with the Socialist Portuguese Prime Minister, Antonio Costa, and promptly claimed to have his support. Alas, Costa was received by Macron at the Elysée a few hours later and they made a joint statement where Costa clearly seems to weight in for a "the new progressive pro European impulse" spearheaded by the French President.

I'll probably vote Communist and add myself to the other 2% who'll do the same.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: VomKriege on May 21, 2019, 04:25:52 AM
As for the Euro election proper, basically no one cares. There will be a couple televised debates this week for a limp spike in interest but only 40% of registered voters are expected to vote. Apparently it's much of the same everywhere else, it's not uncommon to have 30 or 40 lists running in your country of residence (Italy has only 20 or so though).

Apparently there was a debate in Brussels with 4 or 6 of leading figures for their respective movements at the European level and some of the nationalist far right euroskeptics has a big get together to convince everyone they'll be able to coordinate.

Basically the big picture outcome is that the PPE / PSOE will lose their tight grip on the Europarliament and we should be headed for a four blocks divide : PPE, PSOE, the liberal (in the Euro sense of free markets and personal freedoms) ALDE which Macron's party may or may not join and probably a far right group.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Rufus on May 21, 2019, 11:28:07 AM
https://soundcloud.com/watsoninstitute/making-sense-of-the-uss-tough-talk-with-iran
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 21, 2019, 07:10:21 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on May 21, 2019, 04:25:52 AM
As for the Euro election proper, basically no one cares. There will be a couple televised debates this week for a limp spike in interest but only 40% of registered voters are expected to vote. Apparently it's much of the same everywhere else, it's not uncommon to have 30 or 40 lists running in your country of residence (Italy has only 20 or so though).

Apparently there was a debate in Brussels with 4 or 6 of leading figures for their respective movements at the European level and some of the nationalist far right euroskeptics has a big get together to convince everyone they'll be able to coordinate.

Basically the big picture outcome is that the PPE / PSOE will lose their tight grip on the Europarliament and we should be headed for a four blocks divide : PPE, PSOE, the liberal (in the Euro sense of free markets and personal freedoms) ALDE which Macron's party may or may not join and probably a far right group.
In the Netherlands the deputy secretary justice has just resigned following the misreporting of crime statistics.
The department of justice listed some very serious crimes (murder, rape etc.) commited in asylum centers as 'other'. Instead of their respective columns of serious felonies.
Misleading parliament and the public about the real crime figures. He says that it wasn't done on purpose but he has resigned because he is ultimately responsible for reporting those statistics.

Tommorow Thierry Baudet(challenger) will debate our sitting prime minister Mark Rutte although they both play no part in the EU elections aside from leading their respective parties.
Our government is getting more unpopular and is running on fumes. But with parties still busy hammering out their strategies it doesn't seem like anyone is in any rush to trigger parliamentary elections at this time.

As for EU elections it is likely that the EPP guy (Manfred(?)) will become the new commisioner when the dust has settled. No one wants Timmermans and no one likes Guy Verhofstadt.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on May 22, 2019, 01:51:13 AM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-prepares-charges-sanctions-over-venezuelas-food-aid-program-11558467079

Since our coup failed, we are now going to intentionally try to starve people to death by targeting the government's food aid program which feeds 15% of the population
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Occam on May 22, 2019, 02:29:24 AM
I wonder, at what point did everyone here realize that the USA is a rogue nation?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: VomKriege on May 22, 2019, 05:16:36 AM
Quote from: Occam on May 22, 2019, 02:29:24 AM
I wonder, at what point did everyone here realize that the USA is a rogue nation?

 ???
Between 1946 and 1966 I guess, like everyone else ?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: jorma on May 22, 2019, 06:53:21 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on May 22, 2019, 05:16:36 AM
Quote from: Occam on May 22, 2019, 02:29:24 AM
I wonder, at what point did everyone here realize that the USA is a rogue nation?

 ???
Between 1946 and 1966 I guess, like everyone else ?

i wasn't even born then!

My first thought was:
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/02/06/world/06wilkersonSUB-inyt/06wilkersonSUB-inyt-superJumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp)

But that's not really true since we didn't know it was all lies until later.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: BisMarckie on May 22, 2019, 09:11:02 AM
Quote from: Occam on May 22, 2019, 02:29:24 AM
I wonder, at what point did everyone here realize that the USA is a rogue nation?

When they refused to pay their taxes like the stamp act required them to. :pacspit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on May 22, 2019, 12:07:24 PM
Quote from: Occam on May 22, 2019, 02:29:24 AM
I wonder, at what point did everyone here realize that the USA is a rogue nation?
Unlike Vom and jorma, this question is a lot more significant to Americans because we really do live under a national cloak of amnesiac patriotism. For me because I'm young and Obama was ok, it was just these last couple of years under Trump where everything is going wrong and I had to swallow several times that I just live in a bad country. Not a reckless or mistaken one, but a bad one.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: benjipwns on May 22, 2019, 12:12:51 PM
Quote from: Occam on May 22, 2019, 02:29:24 AM
I wonder, at what point did everyone here realize that the USA is a rogue nation?
it's a state breh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 22, 2019, 12:31:58 PM
UK: We will shoot ourselves in the dick. It is the only thing that we can do better than everyone else now that our country is in the gutter"
US: "WOOO!! *BANG BANG* USA NUMBER 1 SELF DICK SHOOTER! WE'RE GOING TO SHOOT OURSELVES IN THE DICK SO HARD IT'LL MAKE YOUR HEAD SPIN!"

Margaret Thatcher
Ronald Reagan

Theresa May
Donald Trump

history doesn't repeat itself but it often rhymes

and at the end of Trump's second term Russia will face another leadership crisis just as it did when Reagan left office.

Ice Ice Baby
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Brehvolution on May 22, 2019, 12:52:07 PM
Quote from: shosta on May 22, 2019, 12:07:24 PM
Quote from: Occam on May 22, 2019, 02:29:24 AM
I wonder, at what point did everyone here realize that the USA is a rogue nation?
Unlike Vom and jorma, this question is a lot more significant to Americans because we really do live under a national cloak of amnesiac patriotism. For me because I'm young and Obama was ok, it was just these last couple of years under Trump where everything is going wrong and I had to swallow several times that I just live in a bad country. Not a reckless or mistaken one, but a bad one.

:trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: BisMarckie on May 22, 2019, 12:58:14 PM
Quote from: shosta on May 22, 2019, 12:07:24 PM
Quote from: Occam on May 22, 2019, 02:29:24 AM
I wonder, at what point did everyone here realize that the USA is a rogue nation?
Unlike Vom and jorma, this question is a lot more significant to Americans because we really do live under a national cloak of amnesiac patriotism. For me because I'm young and Obama was ok, it was just these last couple of years under Trump where everything is going wrong and I had to swallow several times that I just live in a bad country. Not a reckless or mistaken one, but a bad one.

I don't think many Europeans see Trump as this huge threat where  everything has gone wrong.
We have seen this song and dance before. Trump is kinda hilarious in his personal incompetence and buffoonery, but as far as foreign policy is concerned he is just keeping the status quo alive. Obama could make you feel really good when he was giving a speech though. :yeshrug
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on May 22, 2019, 02:28:18 PM
that's because you guys are ready to take the reins :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 22, 2019, 03:28:57 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1131273132852109313 (https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1131273132852109313)

Meanwhile the Brexit party is polling at 37% for the EU elections with Labour and the Conservatives below 20%.

However the Night King is trapped
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1131272279025954816 (https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1131272279025954816)

Another coup against May, that makes it exactly 31 attempts by the tories to get rid of their own PM
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1131256802396561412 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1131256802396561412)

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 22, 2019, 04:08:12 PM
Quote from: shosta on May 22, 2019, 02:28:18 PM
that's because you guys are ready to take the reins :lol
Not when Brussels keeps picking guys like this to run things

https://twitter.com/lukemcgee/status/1131260148834537472 (https://twitter.com/lukemcgee/status/1131260148834537472)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Occam on May 22, 2019, 04:53:13 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on May 22, 2019, 05:16:36 AM
Quote from: Occam on May 22, 2019, 02:29:24 AM
I wonder, at what point did everyone here realize that the USA is a rogue nation?

 ???
Between 1946 and 1966 I guess, like everyone else ?

You are way older than I expected! Indeed, for those alive at the time (I wasn't), McCarthy and Vietnam should have been sufficient wakeup calls.

For me personally it was George W. Bush and Iraq. His "democratic" election also made me realize that American democracy is a sham.

On a related note, when did all those CIA-backed coups become public knowledge? Or was that stuff always known and you just had to care enough to find out?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on May 22, 2019, 05:09:50 PM
Iran-Contra was a major scandal that could have led to Reagan's impeachment if there was more evidence. The arrangement was leaked by Iranians and a plane carrying weapons was downed over Nicaragua. Panama was a publicized US invasion. People found out about Chile because of the Church Committee (most of those findings are still classified). It just depends on what we're talking about. Obama started a secret war in Yemen that we didn't really find out about until Cablegate.

If you want to get some reading in:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81QBEaG64PL.jpg)

and Chomsky's favorite,

(https://image.slidesharecdn.com/williamblum-killinghope-usmilitaryandciainterventionssinceww2-100416142553-phpapp02/95/william-blum-killing-hope-1-728.jpg?cb=1318839714)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Occam on May 22, 2019, 05:24:34 PM
Thanks. Yeah, I know most of this by now, but presumably it's not general knowledge, especially not among Americans. It's quite amazing how virtually every single US President since 1945 is responsible for some heinous interventionist shit around the globe.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: VomKriege on May 22, 2019, 05:50:45 PM
Quote from: Occam on May 22, 2019, 04:53:13 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on May 22, 2019, 05:16:36 AM
Quote from: Occam on May 22, 2019, 02:29:24 AM
I wonder, at what point did everyone here realize that the USA is a rogue nation?

 ???
Between 1946 and 1966 I guess, like everyone else ?

You are way older than I expected! Indeed, for those alive at the time (I wasn't), McCarthy and Vietnam should have been sufficient wakeup calls.

For me personally it was George W. Bush and Iraq. His "democratic" election also made me realize that American democracy is a sham.

On a related note, when did all those CIA-backed coups become public knowledge? Or was that stuff always known and you just had to care enough to find out?

I'm not that old (obviously) but a latent suspicion towards America permeates my country and I would expect most of Europe since then, hence the joke (takes one to know one and all that). Though I guess the term would be "Imperial" rather than "rogue".
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 22, 2019, 06:40:06 PM
https://twitter.com/DanielHewittITV/status/1131299324619571201 (https://twitter.com/DanielHewittITV/status/1131299324619571201)

LMAO
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: benjipwns on May 22, 2019, 11:52:11 PM
Quote from: Occam on May 22, 2019, 05:24:34 PM
It's quite amazing how virtually every single US President since 1945 is responsible for some heinous interventionist shit around the globe.
Is it though?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on May 23, 2019, 12:13:18 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Q1bhaEi.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on May 23, 2019, 03:38:40 AM
So those muppets want to remove those words from the Royal Coat of Arms?

Isn't that treason :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on May 23, 2019, 04:02:05 AM
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Jean-Claude Juncker has suggested that Brussels is expecting another Brexit extension in October as he criticised MPs for prioritising the prime minister’s removal over finding agreement on a Brexit deal.

With May appearing on the brink of resignation, the European commission president spoke of his admiration for her resilience and his disdain for the attempts to remove her.

“What I don’t like in the British debate is it seems more important to replace the prime minister than to find an agreement among themselves,” Juncker said in an interview with CNN. “This is a woman who knows how to do things but she is unable to succeed in doing things. I like her very much; she is a tough person.”
Is that... are we sure that's a compliment?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Occam on May 23, 2019, 04:42:11 AM
Did he say this in English? It contradicts itself: If you know HOW to do things, you succeed at doing them. If you don't, you fail.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: VomKriege on May 23, 2019, 05:18:06 AM
That's probably awkward phrasing from a non-native speaker. May is a hard-worker (thus "she's tough") but her efforts didn't met much success, probably because "MPs [are] prioritising the prime minister’s removal over finding agreement on a Brexit deal".
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: VomKriege on May 23, 2019, 06:55:27 AM
So... Huawei apparently barred from using licenced Google apps (including the Store) and ARM chips. The Trump administration is really going for the jugular huh.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Occam on May 23, 2019, 07:34:10 AM
Couldn't they just start using Lineage OS? After all, Android is open source. Of course customers would then need to install Google's store/apps manually. If on the other hand they start selling their phones with some sort of proprietary OS, sales outside of China are dead.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: VomKriege on May 23, 2019, 08:05:10 AM
Quote from: Occam on May 23, 2019, 07:34:10 AM
Couldn't they just start using Lineage OS? After all, Android is open source. Of course customers would then need to install Google's store/apps manually. If of the other hand they start selling their phones with some sort of proprietary OS, sales outside of China are dead.

I'm no tech specialist but AFAIK it's gonna be a major impediment to have Google Apps, even if downloaded separately, or so it seems. The major one being the App Store which is a gateway for anything else. Android has an open source version but obviously not the latest / without the latest security updates.

ARM is the base for almost all smartphones.

Anyway I'm pretty surprised at just how open an effort it is to cripple Huawei. It's evolving past the point of "just" tariffs and grandstanding into economic measures that could spiral into a nasty political crisis.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Occam on May 23, 2019, 08:30:35 AM
Android doesn't require ARM, my previous tablet had an x86 CPU (Intel Atom).
All modern apps run on both architectures.

Edit: I'm not disagreeing with you by the way, this will absolutely cripple Huawei. It's quite shocking how the US President is able to implement such measures like a dictator.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Tripon on May 23, 2019, 08:45:53 AM
Yes, Android is open source. Companies buy the license anyway because it's a pain of the ass to wait for the public release when you can have the private version much earlier to change and add features that fits your vision for the platform you are creating.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Tripon on May 23, 2019, 08:47:56 AM
https://twitter.com/SimonOstrovsky/status/1129789890282053638
https://twitter.com/SimonOstrovsky/status/1129800568904540160

Did any other U.S. administration in recent memory let so many of their cabinet members or surrogates were allowed to go 'rouge' so often?

Hell, any administration from any country in general.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: VomKriege on May 23, 2019, 09:01:57 AM
The DGSI (French counter intelligence) apparently "invited" 8 journalists from newspaper Le Monde to have a "freeform hearing" about their coverage of the Benalla scandal or franch armements used in Yemen.

Much liberalism, such novelty wow thanks Macron.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 23, 2019, 10:45:25 AM
Quote from: Occam on May 23, 2019, 04:42:11 AM
Did he say this in English? It contradicts itself: If you know HOW to do things, you succeed at doing them. If you don't, you fail.

It sounds like he's saying that she knows how to get things done, but she can't because she's surrounded by fuck-ups.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on May 23, 2019, 01:12:52 PM
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"The U.S. must be willing to intervene in Venezuela the way we did in Grenada," Graham wrote in the Wall Street Journal.
Someone tell Lindsey that blue balls are a myth!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on May 23, 2019, 01:18:36 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on May 23, 2019, 08:05:10 AM
Anyway I'm pretty surprised at just how open an effort it is to cripple Huawei. It's evolving past the point of "just" tariffs and grandstanding into economic measures that could spiral into a nasty political crisis.
I'm hyped for retaliation in the rare earth mineral markets, that's when the show really gets started.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Occam on May 23, 2019, 01:25:08 PM
Quote from: shosta on May 23, 2019, 01:12:52 PM
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"The U.S. must be willing to intervene in Venezuela the way we did in Grenada," Graham wrote in the Wall Street Journal.
Someone tell Lindsey that blue balls are a myth!

Is Graham volunteering for front line duty?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on May 23, 2019, 01:27:33 PM
Yes, but only if it's just like his military career, where he does nothing.

Quote
Hundreds of EU citizens living in Britain have been turned away at polling stations as they attempted to vote in the European elections on Thursday, campaigners say.

Voters reported confusion with the process for participation in the elections, failings by local councils, and names being crossed off voting lists at polling stations.
Raist, how mad are you? :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 23, 2019, 02:11:20 PM
That's what you get Yurop for not giving the UK points at Eurovision  :hmph

Meanwhile in the Netherlands
[https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1131528232841486336 (http://[https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1131528232841486336)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 23, 2019, 03:53:33 PM
Exit polls show the Social Democrats winning for the first time in years. Because people voted for the 'Spitzenkandidat' at the expense of other pro-European parties.

We've dubbed it: "The Frans Timmermans Effect"

(https://www.pvda.nl/wp-content/uploads/cache/x_src35037807a0b249c7eeca7fe7d29aa50d_parb412a83559cf92cc5b0a1cc564f2884c_dat1558540180.jpeg.pagespeed.ic.R_XNBVzIvR.jpg)

VVD(our PM's party) ends in second place.
FvD a shared 3rd or 4th place with the Christian Democrats.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Occam on May 23, 2019, 05:41:41 PM
German voters will get a chance to elect Hess, Goebbels, Goering, Eichmann etc. on Sunday:

(https://m.dnn.de/var/storage/images/rnd/nachrichten/politik/inland/eichmann-speer-und-goebbels-sonneborns-partei-provoziert-mit-irrer-wahlliste/717947541-1-ger-DE/Eichmann-Speer-und-Goebbels-Sonneborns-Partei-provoziert-mit-irrer-Wahlliste_reference_2_1.jpg)

https://sputniknews.com/europe/201905221075226500-die-partei-germany-nazis/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: MMaRsu on May 23, 2019, 05:43:36 PM
I voted for the 50+ party

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: VomKriege on May 24, 2019, 05:43:12 AM
May to step down... But not immediately. It's a whole matriochka of exits !
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Snoopycat_ on May 24, 2019, 06:09:39 AM
Aww. Lookit this poor mad old lady.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKt-Z5Yk2Wo

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Rufus on May 24, 2019, 06:58:46 AM
Boris' turn, now? :heh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Snoopycat_ on May 24, 2019, 07:45:16 AM
Boris's sex face this morning

(https://archive.is/bMS3y/776a1691c3c2c53873c8d12de300fb0eeeb4290a)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Momo on May 24, 2019, 11:06:37 AM
GG England, you had a nice run
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on May 24, 2019, 11:08:42 AM
https://twitter.com/walid970721/status/1131827441205481472
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 24, 2019, 11:18:47 AM
Does Boris Johnson actually have a strong chance of being next PM or are people just kidding? I've seen it come up alot since May's announcment.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: benjipwns on May 24, 2019, 11:58:34 AM
Yes, apparently. He has the backing of a good chunk of the party although not any of the "establishment" really, and more importantly (this is partly why May became PM) there are not a huge number of competitors willing to get in. Labour has essentially the same thing going on. It's a period of no glamour in being PM.

Last thing I saw is that Boris has a good shot if the number of ballots is low, but if it's a long race he'll have to endorse someone else to break a deadlock.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: VomKriege on May 24, 2019, 12:06:25 PM
I guess it's also the best (only, really) time to ride in and "succeed" at Brexit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 24, 2019, 01:09:44 PM
Let the real Game of Thrones begin
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7VqqhTW4AAagoR.jpg:large)

And yes, Boris is the front runner

Azor Ahai
The fuckery that was promised  :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Mollys Fruity Loops on May 24, 2019, 02:04:57 PM
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/KvTVJJcWTEPw4/giphy.gif?cid=790b76115ce83093494a6e5067ef64d8&rid=giphy.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: BisMarckie on May 24, 2019, 02:07:47 PM
May was dealt a shitty hand by Cameron‘s stupid power play. I don’t know what her resignation will solve other than further mark the decline of Britain on the international stage.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 24, 2019, 02:26:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFOnX3dy9pQ
This poor lady visibly aged 10 years in 6 months and then had to leave in tears.

Tories don't play
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on May 24, 2019, 02:31:38 PM
Quote
President Donald Trump is sending an additional 1,500 US troops to the Middle East as part of a "mostly protective" effort to deter Iranian threats, he said.
Many of the new forces will be are engineers to support Patriot missile batteries and reconnaissance aircraft that are being deployed, a US official and a source familiar with the plan tells CNN.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Snoopycat_ on May 24, 2019, 03:02:05 PM
Quote from: Dickie Dee on May 24, 2019, 11:18:47 AM
Does Boris Johnson actually have a strong chance of being next PM or are people just kidding? I've seen it come up alot since May's announcment.

He does have a strong chance. Mostly because he looks like an old labrador and is less of a pedo than the other Torys
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on May 25, 2019, 02:18:34 AM
(https://i.redd.it/l0rzpffqo7031.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: benjipwns on May 25, 2019, 02:22:14 AM
I just realized how this has all gone wrong.

They gave up the Tory Power Stance.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: agrajag on May 25, 2019, 08:10:32 PM
https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1132436938051465217
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: VomKriege on May 26, 2019, 08:39:35 AM
Voter's participation is slightly up compared to last Euro election in France at noon, so maybe we'll just end up in high rather than low 40%.

Democracy  :gbcry

Edit : Participation up by 8 points from last election at 17h (approx. 43%). Will we breach back the 50% line.

That's probably the only happy number to come out this evening from Baguette Town so...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Sman on May 26, 2019, 12:50:43 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on May 26, 2019, 08:39:35 AM
Voter's participation is slightly up compared to last Euro election in France at noon, so maybe we'll just end up in high rather than low 40%.

Democracy  :gbcry

Edit : Participation up by 8 points from last election at 17h (approx. 43%). Will we breach back the 50% line.

That's probably the only happy number to come out this evening from Baguette Town so...

The French left is in disarray. Voting strategically, I could only see the Greens as a viable, non-offensive option for me. :/

 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Rufus on May 26, 2019, 01:38:11 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on May 26, 2019, 08:39:35 AM
Democracy  :gbcry
Here you go, mang: (https://i.imgur.com/YflCt1G.gif)

Mods! 👏👏
Add this pls.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Sman on May 26, 2019, 01:59:33 PM
(https://abload.de/img/francewbk6k.gif)

?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on May 26, 2019, 03:13:05 PM
Quote from: Sman on May 26, 2019, 12:50:43 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on May 26, 2019, 08:39:35 AM
Voter's participation is slightly up compared to last Euro election in France at noon, so maybe we'll just end up in high rather than low 40%.

Democracy  :gbcry

Edit : Participation up by 8 points from last election at 17h (approx. 43%). Will we breach back the 50% line.

That's probably the only happy number to come out this evening from Baguette Town so...

The French left is in disarray.

You're, like, 20 years late bruv.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2019, 03:19:10 PM
Quote from: Raist on May 26, 2019, 03:13:05 PM
Quote from: Sman on May 26, 2019, 12:50:43 PM
The French left is in disarray.

You're, like, 200 years late bruv.
fixed?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Snoopycat_ on May 26, 2019, 03:37:31 PM
I think Donkey has been larping as a shit minister


(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1123734527/jm_400x400.jpg)


(https://www.in-cumbria.com/resources/images/9661103.jpg?display=1&htype=0&type=responsive-gallery)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: VomKriege on May 26, 2019, 03:37:41 PM
The French Right got wrecked  :lol they were polling at 12-13% but only got 8. LFI did the same as the PS and they're pissed about it. Greens dis OK.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Occam on May 26, 2019, 04:14:35 PM
Good overview: https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2019/may/26/eu-election-results-2019-across-europe
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2019, 04:22:26 PM
GREENSEFA is a terrible acronym

especially since it's only an acronym for one part just with GREENS in front of it :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on May 26, 2019, 04:24:14 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/PJ8i2yT.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Occam on May 26, 2019, 04:41:47 PM
Unironically calling a weakling and buffoon like Farage "alpha".
Dotard supporters really are mental bonsai trees, just like their fearless President Bonespur.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2019, 05:56:50 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/5O1cAVZ.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 26, 2019, 05:57:49 PM
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1132766376928661507 (https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1132766376928661507)

Lawl, Farage is going to tear the new EU Parliament a new asshole just before the UK crashes out under the the stable leadership of Michael Gove Boris Johsnon..
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 26, 2019, 06:03:11 PM
Weeeeee

https://twitter.com/BreakingF24/status/1132755679062585344 (https://twitter.com/BreakingF24/status/1132755679062585344)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Mr Gilhaney on May 26, 2019, 06:08:41 PM
The far right party here got absolutely rekt. Went from 4 to 1 seat in the eu parliament. On top of that, the cross-party red/green people's movement against the EU, for the first time, has not gotten any seats at all.

I voted for the danish social liberal party, they went from one to two seats, because the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. It's a nice place to be. :boogie:
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 26, 2019, 06:26:02 PM
Quote from: filler on May 26, 2019, 04:24:14 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/PJ8i2yT.png)

It's actually a direct reference to when Alexander II of Russia was hit in the face with a milkshake and died due to severe brain freeze.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 26, 2019, 06:37:50 PM
Sargon did not get elected  :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: curly on May 26, 2019, 08:26:44 PM
https://twitter.com/flashboy/status/1132770637322313729
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Tripon on May 26, 2019, 10:33:17 PM
Quote from: Nintex on May 26, 2019, 05:57:49 PM
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1132766376928661507 (https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1132766376928661507)

Lawl, Farage is going to tear the new EU Parliament a new asshole just before the UK crashes out under the the stable leadership of Michael Gove Boris Johsnon..

So individual countries actually do have huge influence on the EU?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Occam on May 27, 2019, 04:44:37 AM
It's almost as if infantile fan-fiction and observable reality (which adults use as foundation of their outlook) are at odds.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on May 27, 2019, 06:51:52 AM
Quote from: Nintex on May 26, 2019, 06:37:50 PM
Sargon did not get elected  :fbm

Voters are in general pretty clueless, especially in the UK, ESPECIALLY about EU elections, but they're not THAT distinguished mentally-challenged :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: VomKriege on May 27, 2019, 07:08:46 AM
So the general impression is "bad but less bad than possible" for the Euro election.

In France, while Le Pen party is leading, it actually did a little less in % than last time. And if the UK leaves the EU and their seats are indeed redistributed as planned, Macron's party will field as many MEP as them.

The whole Yellow Vest movement didn't really have any apparent and dramatic effect. The Yellow Alliance which was the only list explicitly catering to it, led by C-list singer and notorious goofball Francis Lalanne, only managed 0,6% of the vote.

The Greens once again do very well in Euros (16% in 2009 IIRC) but in the past it never really transferred well to domestic elections. But with the neverending agony of the Socialists, it's possible that they might have a chance at filling the vacuum at the prominent moderate left party.

It's hard to know what to make of Macron's list results. For a party with only a couple of years of existence under its belt, and within the pretty belligerent national mood of last 6 months... It's not exactly a defeat. His base has not eroded and he's by a wide margin the strongest "respectable" / non far right candidate.

The left really need to sort out a coalition of sorts (Green + Socialists + Hamon + Communists could work, they managed it in the past) because it's a consistent 20-25% bloc (30+% with FI) that get squandered away each time now.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Momo on May 27, 2019, 09:49:49 AM
I can understand 'politics is football' Ree methheads but journalists claiming assange should be procecuted for publishing national secrets are fucking A grade galaxy brains
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: VomKriege on May 27, 2019, 12:43:49 PM
Making the headlines here today : four French citizens condemned to death in Irak for being part of ISIS.  Claims by at least one suspect of being beaten and apparently very speedy trials.

I mean... What did people think would happen by refusing to extradite them back to France ?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: VomKriege on May 27, 2019, 01:12:56 PM
Also 5 Stelle are really getting hustled all ways to sunday by Lega and Salvini who even won votes down south (when the Lega was until a few years ago a movement supporting the secession of Northern Italy from the so called Southern lazy bumfucks :mindblown ). Deal with the devil...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 27, 2019, 02:07:45 PM
Just yesterday I watched a bit on Dutch television where they claimed the policies of the new Italian government had reduced illegal migration by 90%.
The budget proposed by 5-S and Lega at first not accepted by the Eurozone pretty much passed with only a few changes.

If Salvini continues to get these results he'll only get more popular.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Tripon on May 27, 2019, 06:12:21 PM
https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1133132018030661637

Quote
With just two days left before the deadline to form a new government, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu put the onus on a last holdout of his potential coalition, his own former defense minister.

In a televised address Monday, Netanyahu decried his predicament as a “semantic, cosmetic” crisis created by Avigdor Lieberman, and the premier threatened a call to disperse parliament and trigger new elections. It would be the first time in Israel’s history that a winning candidate selected by the president to form a government has failed in the task.

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Two weeks ago, Netanyahu attempted to lock future coalition members into binding agreements that included a bill granting him retroactive legal immunity as long as he remains in office. The effort backfired, unleashing massive public opposition.

On Saturday night, more than 50,000 people demonstrated in Tel Aviv against his effort to gain immunity and other legislation that would allow the Knesset to override Supreme Court decisions.

Quote
Netanyahu said he had been unable to convince Lieberman “to prevent an unnecessary, costly election” in the latest standoff between the two men. Lieberman’s resignation in November following a dispute over Israel’s policies toward Gaza had precipitated the 2019 elections.

Lieberman, leader of the secular nationalist Yisrael Beitenu party, is refusing to budge regarding a law on military service for ultra-Orthodox Jewish young men, who are currently exempt from Israel’s otherwise universal draft.

Jewish religious parties had demanded Netanyahu soften the bill before agreeing to enter his next coalition government.

So basically personal corruption (Netanyahu), and systemic corruption (Protection of Ultra Orthodox Jews from service in the military) causing Israel to not form a government.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on May 27, 2019, 07:08:43 PM
Xinhua released commentary this weekend that trade negotiations are running up against "core interests". Per CNBC because my mandarin isn't good enough to read state propaganda yet
Quote
“At the negotiating table, the U.S. government has made many arrogant requests, including restricting the development of state-owned enterprises,” the commentary said, according to a CNBC translation. “Obviously, this is beyond the field and scope of trade negotiations, (and) touches upon China’s fundamental economic system.”

Quote
China’s giant state-owned enterprises control strategic industries such as energy, telecommunications and defense. Since those companies benefit from favorable policies and subsidies, foreign companies complain of an unfair advantage. The escalating trade dispute between the U.S. and China has focused on allegations of the coerced surrender of proprietary technology and the trampling of intellectual property rights.

Critics say China has been able to benefit economically from joining the World Trade Organization in 2001 without following through on commitments to reduce state control. For its part, Beijing has made some effort to increase the role of the market in its economy and allow foreign companies greater access — but many outside observers say it’s too little, too slowly.

Command economies are INEFFICIENT. America's economy is the product of its SUPERIOR IDEOLOGY. Communists DESTROY THEIR COUNTRIES. :lol
:bow Deng shui bringing the west to its knees :bow2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Raist on May 27, 2019, 07:14:01 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48417228

Quote
The Brexit Party was the clear winner in the UK's European elections, while the pro-EU Lib Dems came second.

The Conservatives and Labour suffered heavy losses, with the former getting less than 10% of the vote.

Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage said he was ready to "take on" the main parties in a general election.


Oh Nigel. You sweet summer child. Have you forgotten that you've failed to even be elected to sit in the HoC for, like, 20 years? :lol


Also,

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/1313E/production/_107124187_10_uk_vote_share_and_change_2019-05-27-nc.png)

More like Short-Change UK, AMIRITE GUYZ
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on May 27, 2019, 07:23:04 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/WloX04o.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: benjipwns on May 27, 2019, 08:29:30 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/27/tech/zuckerberg-contempt-canada/
Quote
Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg and Sheryl Sandberg will not attend a hearing in Ottawa later this week, despite receiving summonses from the Canadian parliament, Facebook confirmed on Monday.

The decision could result in the executives being held in contempt of parliament, the senior Canadian politician who sent the summons told CNN.

Both executives received formal requests from the Canadian Parliament earlier this month tied to a gathering of an international committee examining Silicon Valley's impact on privacy and democracy. Zuckerberg and Sandberg have testified before the United States Congress on the subject.

Facebook said is it sending Kevin Chan, its head of public policy for Facebook Canada, and Neil Potts, its director of public policy, to the meeting instead.
lol they think they're a real country
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Brehvolution on May 28, 2019, 11:14:16 AM
Canada should ban facebook until they show. Then ban it anyway.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on May 28, 2019, 01:44:02 PM
Quote
Malaysia will send back some 3,300 tons of non-recyclable plastic waste to countries such as the U.S., U.K., Canada and Australia in a move to avoid becoming a dumping ground for rich nations, Environment Minister Yeo Bee Yin said Tuesday.

Yeo said Malaysia and many developing countries have become new targets after China banned the import of plastic waste last year. She said 60 containers stacked with contaminated waste were smuggled in en route to illegal processing facilities in the country and will be sent back to their countries of origin.
:lol Philippines started a movement. Take your shit back!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Tripon on May 29, 2019, 01:25:20 AM
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1133599123616223232

Quote
(CNN)An African man has been found crammed behind the glove box of a car in a bid to get to Europe -- one of four people spotted in vehicles on the same day by authorities in Morocco and the Spanish enclave of Melilla, in north Africa.

An African migrant squeezed inside a compartment built behind a car dashboard.
An African migrant squeezed inside a compartment built behind a car dashboard.
Two hid in special compartments behind the dashboard and a third was under a rear seat, images taken by Spain's Civil Guard show. Two were treated by medics for asphyxia, disorientation and joint pain.
A fourth person was also found on May 24 under a truck in the Melilla port.

(https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/190528130801-spain-refugees-glove-box-2-exlarge-169.jpg)
(https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/190528124531-spain-refugees-glove-box-medium-plus-169.jpg)
(https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/190528130256-this-photo-from-the-spanish-guardia-civil-shows-a-migrant-squeezed-a-compartment-built-behind-a-car-dashboard--exlarge-169.jpg)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: BIONIC on May 29, 2019, 03:39:55 AM
Shit should be in the bad vibes thread :juicy
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Nintex on May 29, 2019, 02:32:12 PM
France and Greece voiced their support for Timmermans over Weber. There's a chance we will not act like a German province and also back Timmermans dividing the otherwise strong northern aliance.
We've come at a point where Frans Timmermans could actually become the new leader of the European Union.

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2019, 04:44:20 PM
Quote
Two hid in special compartments behind the dashboard and a third was under a rear seat
This should satisfy any kinds of questions about what skills and abilities they have to offer their new country.

Immigration Status: Approved.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: team filler on May 29, 2019, 08:10:13 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Vb0AG1f.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on May 29, 2019, 08:15:24 PM
I'm waiting for this Liu Xin interview on Fox Business News and right now Trish Reagan is speaking the most basic ass spanglish to Juan Guaido :dead

edit: guaido is going too fast for the fbn translator :dead :dead :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: Tripon on May 29, 2019, 08:19:53 PM
https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1133887004591230981

New Elections in Israel.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on May 29, 2019, 08:46:01 PM
Trish: "We're going to try our best not to talk over each other due to this satellite delay."
they immediately can't stop talking over each other over the 10 second satellite delay

Trish starts the conversation by incorrectly stating that Liu Xin is a member of the Chinese Communist Party :lol

Liu talking about how she learned english from American teachers. Trish starts smiling wide with nationalist pride

Trish was going on this long thing about forced technology transfers and then ended it with "So, how would you define state capitalism?" Liu absolutely confused by the question :rofl Asks for clarification, Trish says "Well, you guys have a very interesting system of economics"

FBN only hires the best  :itagaki
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: shosta on May 29, 2019, 09:10:29 PM
Nobody destroys anybody. It's not a debate or even a coherent discussion. Just like it always is with these WASP freedom types, they spend half the time having the most inane, basic level discussion defining words and trying to filter new information through their internalized propaganda paradigm because they're totally incapable of modeling the world in any way other than the fairy tales told to them by the ruling class. I almost made the joke last week that this was State Capitalism vs. Corporate Socialism but edited it out (I know, I know, I have commitment issues), but when she actually pulled out the fucking term and asked her point blank to define it, apropos of nothing, that was when I really knew that there were absolutely no standards whatsoever for hosting a show on Fox Business News.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2019, 09:13:58 PM
Quote from: shosta on May 29, 2019, 09:10:29 PM
I really knew that there were absolutely no standards whatsoever for hosting a show on Fox Business News.
Just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean they don't exist.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2019, 09:57:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvJKZuv3Lqs
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - The Hundred Years' Brexit
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2019, 10:01:43 PM
saw The Oreo White Case listed as one of the Chinese Stealing IP examples and said "no...it couldn't be"

but yep:
Quote
A California engineer has been found guilty of stealing DuPont's recipe for producing white pigment and selling it to a state-owned Chinese company. As Bloomberg News reports, a federal jury in San Francisco this week found consultant Martin Liew guilty of 22 counts of economic espionage, trade-secret theft, witness tampering, and making false statements. Liew, 56, was found guilty of selling the secrets to Pangang Group, a China-based company that is building a new plant to produce titanium dioxide — a white pigment used in a wide range of products, including paper, whitening chemicals, and Oreo filling.

Former DuPont engineer Robert Maegerle was also convicted Wednesday on similar charges, with prosecutors saying he helped obtain the Delaware-based company's secrets. Each man could now face at least 15 years in prison and hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines, in what prosecutors said is the first federal jury conviction under the Economic Espionage Act of 1996. The US Justice Department has sought to crack down on China-related espionage cases in recent years, with the Obama administration claiming that Chinese spy agencies are targeting American telecommunication and technology industries.

"As today’s verdict demonstrates, foreign governments threaten our economic and national security by engaging in aggressive and determined efforts to steal US intellectual property," US attorney Melinda Haag said in a statement.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: shosta on May 29, 2019, 10:51:11 PM
esch and I need to be forced into some kind of support group for people who hate watch things
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: curly on May 30, 2019, 04:08:48 AM
we need to stop doing interviews with the Chinese before they realize how dumb we are
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: Nintex on May 30, 2019, 06:36:54 AM
The Brotherhood of NOD vibes in that Fox News set are off the charts.

Anyhow, time to escalate this war and have Tucker do the next interview with the Chinese.
This diplomatic effort by the Trump Administration Fox News clearly ain't working.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: Nintex on May 30, 2019, 05:46:42 PM
The only way the Tories can get out of this bind is to deliver Brexit.  :doge
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1134207549249654786 (https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1134207549249654786)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: Momo on May 31, 2019, 07:15:41 AM
Journalism.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-usa-purge/north-korea-executes-envoys-in-a-purge-after-failed-summit-south-korean-newspaper-idUSKCN1T02PD (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-usa-purge/north-korea-executes-envoys-in-a-purge-after-failed-summit-south-korean-newspaper-idUSKCN1T02PD)

Headline - North Korea executes envoy in a purge after failed U.S. summit: media

Body -  Reuters was unable to independently confirm the report. Previously, some North Korean officials have reportedly been executed or purged only to reappear with a new title.


U.S. State Department officials said they had no information to confirm the report.


A spokeswoman at South Korea’s Unification Ministry declined to comment. An official at the presidential Blue House in Seoul said it was inappropriate to comment on an issue that should first be verified.


A diplomatic source told Reuters there were signs Kim Hyok Chol and other officials were punished for the breakdown of the summit, such as by being sent to a labor camp for reeducation, but there was no evidence they were executed.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: shosta on May 31, 2019, 03:55:31 PM
China preparing an entity list of its own to retaliate against foreign firms  :larry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 31, 2019, 05:01:09 PM
I got a gay fevah and the only cure....is more cock.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: BisMarckie on May 31, 2019, 05:03:08 PM
Hates Canada and denies his own homosexuality. Checking all the right boxes for the Bire voting bloc. :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: Mr Gilhaney on May 31, 2019, 05:41:46 PM
Quote from: Esch on May 31, 2019, 04:59:19 PM
https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1134426820701544449

God I want to live in the Philippines again
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: Nintex on June 01, 2019, 07:24:11 PM
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1134897907319132160 (https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1134897907319132160)

Are you ready for Prime Minister Farage.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: team filler on June 01, 2019, 10:19:47 PM
https://twitter.com/mimosa_daddy/status/1134500566242091010
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: curly on June 02, 2019, 01:09:17 AM
https://twitter.com/Swamy39/status/1134356510253785089
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: BIONIC on June 02, 2019, 04:31:12 AM
Quote from: curly on June 02, 2019, 01:09:17 AM
https://twitter.com/Swamy39/status/1134356510253785089

https://twitter.com/bananapeppersx3/status/1134495449056985088
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: Tripon on June 02, 2019, 02:42:42 PM
(https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/qBkWI3f_48MssSI8nO.22Q--/YXBwaWQ9eW15O3E9NzU7dz02NDA7c209MQ--/https://media.zenfs.com/en-US/quartz.com-nonhosted/8f9a21565d38d2933f1998c96cf22e52)

Anime is literally hot.

Quote
Japan's heatwave in July 2018 could not have happened without climate change. The July 2018 heatwave, which killed 1,032 people, saw temperatures reach 41.1C (106F), the highest temperature ever recorded in the country. Penned by the Meteorological Society of Japan, the study is the first to establish that some aspects of the international heatwave could not have occurred in the absence of global warming.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/ed83b592-af4c-3563-a18c-8252094a44f3/japan%E2%80%99s-deadly-heatwave-would.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: Nintex on June 02, 2019, 03:00:37 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1135118137987223554 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1135118137987223554)

What do the tories think selling the NHS to Trump and frens would mean for their election chances.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: Tripon on June 02, 2019, 03:20:10 PM
Quote from: Nintex on June 02, 2019, 03:00:37 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1135118137987223554 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1135118137987223554)

What do the tories think selling the NHS to Trump and frens would mean for their election chances.  :doge

I don't get how a domestic issue (NHS, healthcare) is going to be part of trade discussions. The U.S. going to argue that American health companies need to be able to compete in England somehow?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: VomKriege on June 02, 2019, 03:57:22 PM
Any pretext to undermine it, even if it has no relevance to it, seems to be a major boner for Tories.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: Raist on June 02, 2019, 04:05:42 PM
Can't wait for the US / healthcare version of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvagsSOlAy4
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: Nintex on June 02, 2019, 04:57:03 PM
Quote from: Tripon on June 02, 2019, 03:20:10 PM
Quote from: Nintex on June 02, 2019, 03:00:37 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1135118137987223554 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1135118137987223554)

What do the tories think selling the NHS to Trump and frens would mean for their election chances.  :doge

I don't get how a domestic issue (NHS, healthcare) is going to be part of trade discussions. The U.S. going to argue that American health companies need to be able to compete in England somehow?

Everything is going to be on the table. By the end of the "negotiations" the UK will have to buy a massive ammount of US military equipment, the royal family has to apologize to Trump, the Trump organization owns the Falklands and UK branches of US corporations pay 0 taxes. Oh and prescription drugs no longer provided by the EU will have to be bought from the US. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: shosta on June 02, 2019, 05:23:16 PM
Quote from: Nintex on June 02, 2019, 04:57:03 PM
UK branches of US corporations pay 0 taxes
Ah, so the Irish arrangement
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: curly on June 03, 2019, 03:33:33 AM
Quote from: Momo on May 31, 2019, 07:15:41 AM
Journalism.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-usa-purge/north-korea-executes-envoys-in-a-purge-after-failed-summit-south-korean-newspaper-idUSKCN1T02PD (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-usa-purge/north-korea-executes-envoys-in-a-purge-after-failed-summit-south-korean-newspaper-idUSKCN1T02PD)

Headline - North Korea executes envoy in a purge after failed U.S. summit: media

Body -  Reuters was unable to independently confirm the report. Previously, some North Korean officials have reportedly been executed or purged only to reappear with a new title.


U.S. State Department officials said they had no information to confirm the report.


A spokeswoman at South Korea’s Unification Ministry declined to comment. An official at the presidential Blue House in Seoul said it was inappropriate to comment on an issue that should first be verified.


A diplomatic source told Reuters there were signs Kim Hyok Chol and other officials were punished for the breakdown of the summit, such as by being sent to a labor camp for reeducation, but there was no evidence they were executed.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/north-korean-official-kim-yong-chol-reappears-after-purge-report-n1013011 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/north-korean-official-kim-yong-chol-reappears-after-purge-report-n1013011)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: Momo on June 03, 2019, 08:27:19 AM
Quote from: curly on June 03, 2019, 03:33:33 AM
Quote from: Momo on May 31, 2019, 07:15:41 AM
Journalism.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-usa-purge/north-korea-executes-envoys-in-a-purge-after-failed-summit-south-korean-newspaper-idUSKCN1T02PD (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-usa-purge/north-korea-executes-envoys-in-a-purge-after-failed-summit-south-korean-newspaper-idUSKCN1T02PD)

Headline - North Korea executes envoy in a purge after failed U.S. summit: media

Body -  Reuters was unable to independently confirm the report. Previously, some North Korean officials have reportedly been executed or purged only to reappear with a new title.


U.S. State Department officials said they had no information to confirm the report.


A spokeswoman at South Korea’s Unification Ministry declined to comment. An official at the presidential Blue House in Seoul said it was inappropriate to comment on an issue that should first be verified.


A diplomatic source told Reuters there were signs Kim Hyok Chol and other officials were punished for the breakdown of the summit, such as by being sent to a labor camp for reeducation, but there was no evidence they were executed.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/north-korean-official-kim-yong-chol-reappears-after-purge-report-n1013011 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/north-korean-official-kim-yong-chol-reappears-after-purge-report-n1013011)

lmao, I actually kinda suspected this one to at least be eventually true :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 03, 2019, 09:33:57 AM
It's best to be skeptical of nearly every report that comes out of North Korea. Almost always it starts as a sketchy report in some South Korea newspaper with minimal, or none, backing, that gets picked up and then broadcast as 100% truth by western outlets.

On the other hand, it could be a body double that they trotted out, like Trump does with Melania.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: curly on June 04, 2019, 02:59:19 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 03, 2019, 09:33:57 AM
It's best to be skeptical of nearly every report that comes out of North Korea. Almost always it starts as a sketchy report in some South Korea newspaper with minimal, or none, backing, that gets picked up and then broadcast as 100% truth by western outlets.

On the other hand, it could be a body double that they trotted out, like Trump does with Melania.

https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/1135763951478853633
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: Raist on June 04, 2019, 03:21:14 AM
Quote from: Stro on June 03, 2019, 03:55:34 PM
Jesus the queen talking about her first state visit to the US being in 1944 and meeting Eisenhower....then raising a toast to Donald J. Trump


RETIRE BITCH

(https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/576cb32f05aae_louisette.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: VomKriege on June 04, 2019, 11:23:24 AM
The French Prime Minister is saying that the destruction of a variety of unsold but otherwise unused & non perishable products -notably clothes and sanitary towels- will be forbidden (through regulations probably). Retailers would have to donate or recycle those.

Also French arms exports still soaring, biggest clients being Gulf states / Near East / Middle East (and a deal with Belgium for armoured vehicles). But don't you worry, there's been plenty of verbal agreements that those are not used in places like Yemen or repression.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: Momo on June 04, 2019, 11:44:52 AM
Quote from: curly on June 04, 2019, 02:59:19 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 03, 2019, 09:33:57 AM
It's best to be skeptical of nearly every report that comes out of North Korea. Almost always it starts as a sketchy report in some South Korea newspaper with minimal, or none, backing, that gets picked up and then broadcast as 100% truth by western outlets.

On the other hand, it could be a body double that they trotted out, like Trump does with Melania.

https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/1135763951478853633 (https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/1135763951478853633)
this stuff genuinely upsets me because it sets the tone for conversations at an already flawed baseline. It upsets me mostly when an entity like BBC does it as they have no financial pressure to be first yet they're constantly out there with bullshit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: VomKriege on June 04, 2019, 12:26:14 PM
It's not entirely true that the BBC is free from commercial pressure though, is it ? It's a bit of a soft target for politicians to push the same kind of narrative "need more efficiency" than on NHS or every public service they'd like to put in the chopping block. And like most public broadcasting I'm aware of in Europe, the main channels- are expected to "compete" with private networks (offering similar programming, etc...). But yeah, it's a shame and incredibly short sighted to squander what is arguably one of the most potent remaining British soft power card.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: team filler on June 04, 2019, 05:03:54 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/IuTXDKU.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: Nintex on June 04, 2019, 06:15:45 PM
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1135918881107795974 (https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1135918881107795974)

The US makes a trade deal with the UK colorized  :hump
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: shosta on June 04, 2019, 06:18:34 PM
they're going to really need the NHS once they're the sick man of europe again
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: Nintex on June 04, 2019, 06:20:46 PM
It appears Pierce called Kushner.  :lol
https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1136016905708482560 (https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1136016905708482560)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Because Donald spoiled the plan
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 04, 2019, 06:59:14 PM
It's obvious he had no idea what it even was.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: Tripon on June 04, 2019, 10:22:54 PM
Quote from: Nintex on June 04, 2019, 06:15:45 PM
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1135918881107795974 (https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1135918881107795974)

The US makes a trade deal with the UK colorized  :hump

This is sort of an amazing turn since Brexit was partially promised on protecting the NHS.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: shosta on June 06, 2019, 01:22:20 AM
Quote
The Chinese president arrived on Wednesday and later gave a press conference where he said he had a "deep personal friendship" with his Russian counterpart.

"In the past six years, we have met nearly 30 times. Russia is the country that I have visited the most times, and President Putin is my best friend and colleague," Mr Xi said.
:heart
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: benjipwns on June 06, 2019, 01:24:18 AM
https://twitter.com/BillNeelyNBC/status/1135864159046967296
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: VomKriege on June 06, 2019, 05:34:05 AM
The Fiat-Chrysler proposal to merge with Renault has been suspended probably indefinitely. French state representatives on the board asked for more delays, as the French Ministry of Economy wanted to have more talks with Nissan to pacify them (as the alliance would suddenly shift balance and make them a minority partner) and was looking for more guarantees to safeguard their prerogatives. The union representative in the board voted against the project while everyone else was in favour. This was too much for Fiat-Chrysler apparently.

After the drama over the naval yards in St Nazaire, it's another Franco-Italian venture project going down the drain because of the French state involvement being an hurdle. There's also the matter of the high speed railway connection between Lyon and Torino being blocked by Italian cabinet politics (Salvini is for, 5 Stelle against) or the spat between Vivendi and Mediaset. Apparently there's some disgruntlement in Italia over industrial and capital penetration only going one way with regards to France on top of political grudges of the same order (by the admission of some French politicians or diplomats, France has been negligent in condescending for a long time, only remembering Italy is a thing when they had issues with Germany).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: benjipwns on June 06, 2019, 08:02:25 AM
the Danes just had an election, their eurosceptic anti-immigrant, etc. party got smashed hard from 21% and 37 seats to 9% and 16 seats... I think the center-right liberals gained the advantage but don't quote me on that, it'll be a broad coalition no matter what like usual

Sunday is the first presidential election in Kazakhstan without Nursultan Nazarbayev

Guatemala and Greece are up next, so many elections being moved into this year after it was looking so barren at the start

clearly trying to get things done before Beast Mode Trump next year /nintex
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: jorma on June 06, 2019, 08:23:13 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 06, 2019, 08:02:25 AM
the Danes just had an election, their eurosceptic anti-immigrant, etc. party got smashed hard from 21% and 37 seats to 9% and 16 seats... I think the center-right liberals gained the advantage but don't quote me on that, it'll be a broad coalition no matter what like usual


No, the ruling center right liberals gained quite a bit, but they still lost the election because their right wing allies cratered, and the party leader turned in his resignation to the queen.
The social democrats (center left) will most likely form the next government. But as i understand it it's going to be tough, because the soc dems have promised to keep immigration at a minimum, but that's not gonna sit well with the supporting leftie parties needed to form a majority in the parliament.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: benjipwns on June 06, 2019, 08:29:50 AM
I was going off the seat numbers, it didn't really seem like any set of "natural coalition" had an obvious path, maybe something with social dems in top positions but lots of liberals and their center-right allies across the cabinet. I'm not as familiar with Danish politics to know if that's a common thing as it can be in some neighbors.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: jorma on June 06, 2019, 08:41:47 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 06, 2019, 08:29:50 AM
I was going off the seat numbers, it didn't really seem like any set of "natural coalition" had an obvious path, maybe something with social dems in top positions but lots of liberals and their center-right allies across the cabinet. I'm not as familiar with Danish politics to know if that's a common thing as it can be in some neighbors.

The prospective PM has already ruled out a coalition with Venstre (which confusingly enough is the center right party). That doesn't mean it's not gonna happen obviously, but she's going to try to form a government with the left block first as i understand it. I don't really follow danish politics that closely either so i don't know how likely it is that she'll succeed.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: benjipwns on June 06, 2019, 08:44:56 AM
oh, I had overlooked the Social Liberals completely by accident, that puts them over a majority after all
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 06, 2019, 09:35:21 AM
Quote from: shosta on June 06, 2019, 01:22:20 AM
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The Chinese president arrived on Wednesday and later gave a press conference where he said he had a "deep personal friendship" with his Russian counterpart.

"In the past six years, we have met nearly 30 times. Russia is the country that I have visited the most times, and President Putin is my best friend and colleague," Mr Xi said.
:heart

Friendship with Trump ended
Now Putin is my best friend
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: Rufus on June 06, 2019, 12:09:42 PM
Vote green. Got it. 👍
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 06, 2019, 12:15:07 PM
Quote from: Tripon on June 02, 2019, 02:42:42 PM
(https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/qBkWI3f_48MssSI8nO.22Q--/YXBwaWQ9eW15O3E9NzU7dz02NDA7c209MQ--/https://media.zenfs.com/en-US/quartz.com-nonhosted/8f9a21565d38d2933f1998c96cf22e52)

oppai party
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: Occam on June 07, 2019, 10:28:38 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/itvnews/status/1136610824762601473

(54% pro Brexit voters.)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: BisMarckie on June 07, 2019, 10:36:41 AM
Brexit is just a convenient excuse for Ford to close down a plant.

The European Union and its free movement is just a way for capitalists to undermine collective bargaining agreements and other forms of organized labor.
Brexit can also be interpreted as the working class trying to escape from this race to the bottom.

It's probably easier though to follow the neolib narrative that people voted Brexit because of racism.

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playing devil's advocate,or am I? :gopnik
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: Occam on June 07, 2019, 10:56:07 AM
Quote from: BisMarckie on June 07, 2019, 10:36:41 AM
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playing devil's advocate,or am I? :gopnik
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Or you forgot to take your brain medication today.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: BisMarckie on June 07, 2019, 11:04:42 AM
Forum poster Occam unaware of stances and policies that Marxist-Leninist parties have argued for. :pacspit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: Kara on June 07, 2019, 12:04:32 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on June 07, 2019, 11:04:42 AM
Forum poster Occam unaware of stances and policies that Marxist-Leninist parties have argued for. :pacspit

(https://i.imgur.com/Qpavyjl.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: Kara on June 07, 2019, 12:19:18 PM
is this the dialectic
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: Nintex on June 07, 2019, 12:58:25 PM
Quite shitty for the workers and all.
BUT closing a car plant is VERY GOOD to combat climate change because the plant won't pollute anymore and the workers won't be able to consume as much as before on government welfare.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: Kara on June 07, 2019, 01:18:45 PM
This is more of a post for the LF thread but whatever, we've already gone down the rabbit hole of Perfidious Albion's cursed political landscape.

New Labour Twitter (which inexplicably persists in 2019 and I inexplicably find myself among in 2019) was hot and bothered the other day by a December 2018 tweet from Aaron Bastani (one of the founders of Novara) that said, (paraphrasing) "When I saw all the Lehman Brothers traders carrying out their stuff in 2008 I laughed at the scene and it was then that I realized whose side I was on."

Now you could attack this tweet on "common decency" grounds, to be certain. What about the cleaning, maintenance, and support staffs when the comically evil investment bank collapsed, for example? What about all the tertiary employment in the illegal drugs and sex trafficking industries that was impacted by the sudden unemployment of desk traders? Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. We live in a society, bottom text.

*Stephen A.* BUT the tweet that kicked this display off was instead someone posting a screen shot of the tweet and going, (paraphrasing) "I eschew Corbynistas because even though they claim to speak 'for the many' they just really, really hate people." AND a councilor with Change UK - the Independently Wealthy Group replied saying, (paraphrasing) "[isn't the point of Labour] to keep people employed?" Not when it's at the comically evil investment bank, Subject-Councilor!

No one likes these fucking dipshits and this is why.

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When I mentioned this to a pom they didn't really know about Lehman Brothers so I suspect there may be some ignorance to blame for this scene but, like, it's 2019. Use a search engine, lickspittles.
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: Occam on June 07, 2019, 02:20:09 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on June 07, 2019, 11:04:42 AM
Forum poster Occam unaware of stances and policies that Marxist-Leninist parties have argued for. :pacspit

They are in dire need of brain medication.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: Nintex on June 07, 2019, 05:17:40 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8fGvRWWsAA3v2a.jpg)

Welp, guess boris wins this one lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: VomKriege on June 07, 2019, 05:30:15 PM
Well at least he didn't eat some fat sandwich in public.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: curly on June 07, 2019, 06:51:12 PM
Quote from: Occam on June 07, 2019, 10:28:38 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/itvnews/status/1136610824762601473

(54% pro Brexit voters.)

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He denied that Brexit played any part in the decision: “Hard Brexit would not be good for our business but as far as this decision is concerned it has nothing to do with Brexit.

"The simple question is, if Brexit had never happened, would this decision be different, and the answer is no.”

 :gopnik

Shouldn't accept Ford's word at face value but I don't really get how the area voting for Brexit at basically the same rate as the national average shows the plant workers had it coming or whatever
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: Tripon on June 07, 2019, 08:15:29 PM
Quote from: curly on June 07, 2019, 06:51:12 PM
Quote from: Occam on June 07, 2019, 10:28:38 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/itvnews/status/1136610824762601473

(54% pro Brexit voters.)

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He denied that Brexit played any part in the decision: “Hard Brexit would not be good for our business but as far as this decision is concerned it has nothing to do with Brexit.

"The simple question is, if Brexit had never happened, would this decision be different, and the answer is no.”

 :gopnik

Shouldn't accept Ford's word at face value but I don't really get how the area voting for Brexit at basically the same rate as the national average shows the plant workers had it coming or whatever

He's right in a sense, the EU just did a trade deal with Japan that means no import duties/tax for cars from Japan. England and Japan are the two major countries that still drive on the right side, so it's going to make more sense to just import cars from Japan now.

The real issue is that the UK is such a small market that it makes sense to do it. A lot of industries are just going to think the UK is too small a market to give a shit about it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: Kara on June 07, 2019, 11:02:08 PM
They also axed Ford Australia awhile back (RIP Falcon).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: Raist on June 08, 2019, 03:32:39 AM
At the end of the day whether or not the decision derived from Brexit either in part or in full doesn't really matter - it will just add to the shitshow that this distinguished mentally-challenged fellowed political decision based on a dumb referendum will turn into.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: shosta on June 08, 2019, 03:43:35 AM
personally I want a hard brexit to ruin all of the UK. I want it to be completely destroyed. houses in disrepair, electricity rationing, collapse of every industry. people dragging their dead across the street, wailing in a new degenerated form of english. scottish gangs terrorizing unlucky travellers in the night. mad max. polio returns. all because I didn't like a piers morgan clip
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: Raist on June 08, 2019, 03:47:26 AM
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houses in disrepair, electricity rationing, collapse of every industry

So business as usual then.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
Post by: Transhuman on June 08, 2019, 02:48:26 PM
Quote from: Tripon on June 07, 2019, 08:15:29 PM
England and Japan are the two major countries that still drive on the right side, so it's going to make more sense to just import cars from Japan now.

(https://data.whicdn.com/images/198103206/large.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: Raist on June 08, 2019, 04:29:39 PM
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Major country

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Australia


:crowdlaff
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: benjipwns on June 10, 2019, 06:16:02 AM
https://petapixel.com/2019/05/01/kazakhstan-caught-beauty-retouching-photos-of-new-leader/
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The large Asian country of Kazakhstan was just caught “Photoshopping” official photos of its new leader, using beauty retouching techniques to dramatically alter his appearance.

RFE/RL made the discovery after comparing government-released photos with alternate versions captured at the same time by photojournalists in attendance.
(https://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2019/05/sidebyside-800x564.jpg)

(https://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2019/05/crop3.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: VomKriege on June 10, 2019, 06:24:47 AM
For all we know it might be every other foreign photographer trying to smear this proud new leader by aging him artificially using Photoshop.

:rollsafe
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: Nintex on June 10, 2019, 08:12:26 AM
There is hope for humanity still.
The Dutch government has started to adopt the innocent orphans of Dutch ISIS fighters from Syria.  :heart

https://twitter.com/abdulkarimomar1/status/1137985518724112384 (https://twitter.com/abdulkarimomar1/status/1137985518724112384)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: Raist on June 10, 2019, 12:22:10 PM
(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/eN63Zm_dosycFg_bGLcDqQ--~A/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAw/http://media.zenfs.com/en/homerun/feed_manager_auto_publish_494/b63161c8b7a2fe629670105b6d3b225f)


lol j/k guys


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Boris Johnson has pledged to cut income tax bills for people earning more than Ł50,000 a year if he wins the race to succeed Theresa May as prime minister.

The former foreign secretary told the Telegraph he would use money currently set aside for a no-deal Brexit to raise the 40% tax rate threshold to Ł80,000.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48577579
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: Nintex on June 10, 2019, 12:30:18 PM
That makes Mike Pompeo the only person in politics who thinks Corbyn has a shot at becoming PM  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: shosta on June 10, 2019, 12:32:26 PM
Pompeo is not "in politics" :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 10, 2019, 02:18:42 PM
Quote from: Esch on June 10, 2019, 02:17:53 PM
You have to admit, it's funny seeing the state dept talk about the UK like it's some milquetoast south american social democracy :lol

That's just part of the US's special relationship with the UK.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: shosta on June 10, 2019, 05:32:29 PM
all conservative minister backstop plans, according to BBC

Gove: wants clarity on how to exit from the backstop (there is already clarity...). UK and Northern Ireland must be treated the same by the EU. Magical, hypothetical "technology".

Hancock: Wants a time-limit to the backstop. This doesn't make sense. The reason it's indefinite is because keeping a soft border in ireland means goods and services will flow across, too, which means the EU's customs must be enforced. Putting a time limit on the backstop either means a) UK gets back into the EU at the end of the time period, b) a hard border appears in Ireland at the end of the time period, or c) you are just creating another meaningless deadline for yourself with no real solutions in sight that you will continue to push back, as usual. Also, "technology".

Harper: "Malthouse compromise", which is basically a request for an extension

Hunt: "technology"

Javid: "technology"

Johnson: Get rid of the backstop and avoid the Irish border question entirely until after a trade deal has been secured.  :doge

Leadsom: "Managed exit". This euphemism keeps popping up and I don't know what it means so I'm going to assume it doesn't actually mean anything at all. "Technology". Another EU summit lol

McVey: No deal, baybay!

Raab: "a targeted forensic change to the backstop" :lawd. Actually, Malthouse compromise.

Stewart: Fourth vote on existing deal 👍👍👍👍


I think I don't fully understand what the Malthouse compromise is and no article I read explains it to me well enough to understand so if someone can help me out here, I would appreciate it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: VomKriege on June 10, 2019, 05:42:12 PM
I know a Swiss journalist argued that a dematerialized border was technologically feasible and he mentioned an example that Switzerland helped setting up. Can't remember where, a quick Google search turns up the Canary Islands (or more specifically the screening between the Canaries and continental Spain) without more details. Barnier doesn't seem convinced but who knows ? Though if it was that easy you'd expect the British would be already working on implementing it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: shosta on June 10, 2019, 05:53:28 PM
Estimates I've seen say 2030 for "technological solutions". Just leave Northern Ireland in the single market, for fuck's sake.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: Rufus on June 10, 2019, 06:15:42 PM
Quote from: shosta on June 10, 2019, 05:53:28 PM
Estimates I've seen say 2030 for "technological solutions". Just leave Northern Ireland in the single market, for fuck's sake.
Gonna have to cut them loose first and that's not looking likely.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: Kara on June 10, 2019, 07:19:45 PM
Partition a country you colonized brehs.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: Raist on June 11, 2019, 05:25:15 AM
"we need to take back control of our borders"

"OK, so what about the RoI/NI one?"

(https://res.cloudinary.com/teepublic/image/private/s--s0Y_UQEs--/t_Preview/b_rgb:ffffff,c_limit,f_jpg,h_630,q_90,w_630/v1541824713/production/designs/3476146_1.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: Kara on June 11, 2019, 10:29:51 AM
:lol In the Intercept article they have a paragraph where they just link to credulous Western media articles about the Lula prosecution and one of them is an embarrassing Transparency International award given to the prosecutors. Go off, kings, queens, and gender nonconforming monarchs.

Couldn't help but notice in that story that the libertarian party filed the court petition challenging the court order to permit interviewing Lula from jail. LIBERTARIAN MOMENT. :hyper
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: shosta on June 11, 2019, 12:54:40 PM
(CNBC) Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross predicts Trump and China will reach a trade deal — ‘even shooting wars end in negotiations’

 :doge :doge :doge :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: Raist on June 11, 2019, 03:19:25 PM
https://twitter.com/katemoulesx/status/1137496713382551556
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: benjipwns on June 11, 2019, 10:20:32 PM
Quote from: Kara on June 11, 2019, 10:29:51 AM
Couldn't help but notice in that story that the libertarian party filed the court petition challenging the court order to permit interviewing Lula from jail. LIBERTARIAN MOMENT. :hyper
I'll have you know that libertarians in the Americas have a fantastic track record of filing court motions no one else will bother with that do nothing to help advance the libertarian movement and are nothing but money/resource sinks for it. :bolo

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Was it Costa Rica where the party actually had some semblance of power in the legislature but killed itself off going to the mat fighting for the rights of the other parties, against the dominant conservatives, which would never do anything so selfless and who immediately passed laws cracking down on smaller parties. :lol
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: Nintex on June 13, 2019, 06:01:45 AM
Lmao

https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1138926257998106624 (https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1138926257998106624)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: Raist on June 13, 2019, 11:51:03 AM
If it wasn't clear already, the UK is fucked :lol

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/2EB4/production/_107365911_optimised-tory_ballot-nc.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: Nintex on June 13, 2019, 01:28:58 PM
Boris!!!  :mynicca
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: Rufus on June 13, 2019, 01:59:54 PM
No deal was and is a stupid idea.

So let's pick the thundering idiot who wants it at every cost.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: Nintex on June 13, 2019, 02:06:19 PM
I wonder if Merkel jumps from the Reichstag if she realizes the next big international event will have Trump, Boris, Salvini and Putin.  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: Rufus on June 13, 2019, 02:08:55 PM
She's too close to retirement to do anything rash.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: shosta on June 13, 2019, 05:21:47 PM
I genuinely get a lot of anxiety thinking about Chinese-American relations. I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that things are not productive right now, that the future does not look any better, and that this might be the end of relative trust between the US and China. This quote from Petrarch comes to mind...

"My fate is to live among varied and confusing storms. But for you perhaps, if as I hope and wish you will live long after me, there will follow a better age. This sleep of forgetfulness will not last for ever. When the darkness has been dispersed, our descendants can come again in the former pure radiance."
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: Nintex on June 13, 2019, 05:24:08 PM
Quote from: shosta on June 13, 2019, 05:21:47 PM
I genuinely get a lot of anxiety thinking about Chinese-American relations. I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that things are not productive right now, that the future does not look any better, and that this might be the end of relative trust between the US and China. This quote from Petrarch comes to mind...

"My fate is to live among varied and confusing storms. But for you perhaps, if as I hope and wish you will live long after me, there will follow a better age. This sleep of forgetfulness will not last for ever. When the darkness has been dispersed, our descendants can come again in the former pure radiance."
Nah, this is just e-penis measuring on an international level. The US and China need eachother.
Without the US China can't sell their shit. Without China the US can't produce their shit.
The force is perfectly balanced.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: shosta on June 13, 2019, 05:27:37 PM
You think Trump doesn't hike tariffs at the end of the month? You really think he's rational? lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: Nintex on June 13, 2019, 05:43:06 PM
Quote from: shosta on June 13, 2019, 05:27:37 PM
You think Trump doesn't hike tariffs at the end of the month? You really think he's rational? lol
The biggest victim so far is Huwaei, which is cast out from the overly crowded not very profitable Android smartphone market.

It's stupendously easy to evade those tariffs.
Russia has been avoiding the sanctions for years. For example, they sell their shit through Belarus which is not sanctioned and buy goods banned in Russia from Ukraine.
China with all its wealth, connections and overseas assets can easily ship and repackage if they want to. They own ports all over Europe and Africa.

The US needs some sort of arrangement to make up for the loss of their manfucaturing to China.
The Trump administration is not wrong to call out China for their IP theft and currency devaluations.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 13, 2019, 06:56:55 PM
Cool, guess we're going to war in the Middle East again.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: shosta on June 13, 2019, 06:58:24 PM
should have just stayed in the Iran deal. we backed Iran into a corner and now we're going to level Tehran. am I catastrophizing or no? Because every time people tell me things will be fine they get worse.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: BisMarckie on June 13, 2019, 07:01:29 PM
Fight wars for the Saudis brehs :rejoice

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I don’t think a war against Iran will happen. That would be just too stupid, even for America.
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If it happens though, I just hope we stay out of this one again, just like the war against Iraq even though Trump will throw an even bigger tantrum than Bush.
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: VomKriege on June 13, 2019, 07:05:55 PM
Quote from: Esch on June 13, 2019, 06:51:31 PM
https://twitter.com/SecPompeo/status/1139237781664874499

Quote from: BBC News
Mr Pompeo presented no evidence.

:trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: BisMarckie on June 13, 2019, 07:08:06 PM
:hans1 Gleiwitz :hans1
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on June 13, 2019, 07:12:15 PM
For me it's worse than being dragged dick first by the neocons into a devastating conflict on behalf of securing regional hegemony for the egyptian, israeli, saudi allegiance. I think the administration is filled with morons who don't know how to predict how actors will react, who think their balls to the wall tough "negotiating" is at all an effective tool for getting the things they want, and who have a working theory of the universe plucked straight out of Southland Tales.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Kara on June 13, 2019, 07:28:25 PM
Critical support for the Trump regime trying to destroy the U.S. as both a military and economic hegemon.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Trurl on June 13, 2019, 08:08:47 PM
Is the trade war better understood as the whims of one president, or as a dominant society trying to thwart a rising one?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 13, 2019, 08:13:46 PM
https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1139301939731148801
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on June 14, 2019, 04:35:00 AM
The day Pompeo went war drummin Trump praised Abe for meeting Ali. When Kim fired Missiles Trump said he didn't care and sided with North Korea against Biden. When Russia captured Ukranian vessels and blocked a waterway Trump didn't care. Iran would have to make this personal to make Trump care enough to go to war.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: benjipwns on June 14, 2019, 04:57:36 AM
It's not really related to being personal and I think that makes it way too complex. Trump has a reflexive anti-war streak because he's afraid of making a mistake on it and looking bad. He got Iraq "right" simply because he was posturing against W. and conventional wisdom from a position of no consequences and turning out right helped reinforce this. He'd otherwise never taken stances on anything like that. He was always a frontrunner.

That article about everyone in the departments being upset with Trump for not warring enough actually said this without saying this. All the sources essentially said that when they get to the point where they have to ask Trump "yes or no" he disappoints them by siding with "no, not yet" and they have to go be diplomatic. There was always lots of talk that Obama reflexively said "yes" because he was afraid of appearing too anti-war or whatever. Especially when Clinton was Secretary of State, and when Kerry came in it changed as Kerry is less hawkish than Hillary simply because he's a ditherer while she decides and then sticks to it and will literally murder people who dare her to change. Anything that lets Trump "not decide" or punt is basically what he wants.

In cases where they can essentially do as they wish without asking due to longstanding situations, the departments do, and Trump eagerly takes credit for the successes even though he didn't order anything or make any decisions on it.

Trump doesn't see trade or any other kind of foreign policy as the same, he was quite steeped in the military ethos coming up and while he is totally disregarding of everything about it on a personal level, he was always said to be super respectful of the concept and I think that leads to him on some level recognizing the potential and literal human cost (especially coming of age through Vietnam) that contributes to his hesitancy. He doesn't want to look bad causing deaths of soldiers more than anything. I think he also likes to think that the troops love him and he's reluctant to introduce anything that may contradict that like killing a bunch of them.

Wars through Twitter are the perfect Trump War. Actual wars, not so much. That's the frustration that someone like Bolton has, that then gets into the press about how Trump is fucking up good opportunities to bring lesser nations to heel.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Kara on June 14, 2019, 11:07:34 AM
Who are you going to trust, the actual victims or the CIA? :-*
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on June 14, 2019, 11:34:39 AM
I'm not sure I buy much into the whole Trump as a rampart to hawks, though I guess it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation of who started pulling the Iran string between Trump or some high profile members of his administration (Mattis already was weary of Iran or am I remembering this wrong ?). When all is said and done, he chose Bolton -who is so one track minded that there's no mystery how this would be interpreted- and I don't buy that Pompeo just has blanket autonomy to invoke a casus belli on his Twitter (and I just that Trump doubled down on TV). Antagonizing Iran has been a continued effort for this administration so far.

Plus, IIRC he also ordered strikes in Syria on a whim. Small scale but Trump is not adverse to it in an absolute sense.

It's not that I disagree with the idea that Trump doesn't seem like the type to be thirsty for battlefield glory or that to him it's probably mostly Mad Man 4D chess & selling the bluff, but I'm uneasy at the idea that he's the ultimate failsafe while they are playing with matches in an oil refinery.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Brehvolution on June 14, 2019, 12:23:03 PM
The current US involvement is Syria is much larger than the administration or the press will talk about.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Mandark on June 14, 2019, 12:54:12 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 14, 2019, 04:57:36 AM
He got Iraq "right"

he did not
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: nachobro on June 14, 2019, 01:25:55 PM
shoulda asked cheney for his playbook before trying this
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on June 14, 2019, 01:35:03 PM
Quote from: nachobro on June 14, 2019, 01:25:55 PM
shoulda asked cheney for his playbook before trying this

They’re following it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QMLFlOqt2nk&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on June 14, 2019, 01:39:25 PM
"There were flying objects, according to the crew."

Random twitter person: "May have been bullets."


I'm not a gun expert, but I'm pretty sure bullets would be pretty hard to spot.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on June 14, 2019, 01:42:15 PM
not necessarily

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sanctions have set back iran's arms four centuries
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Kara on June 14, 2019, 02:08:49 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on June 14, 2019, 11:34:39 AM
Plus, IIRC he also ordered strikes in Syria on a whim. Small scale but Trump is not adverse to it in an absolute sense.

He did, and he held a presser where he went ":'( Assad gassed the innocents" to justify shooting a bunch of missiles into a country that hasn't done anything to us since we occupied Lebanon. It was vintage Neoconservative hour. A troop died in Niger doing god knows what too. My good friend and ideological enemy benji was talking out of his ass which is an occupational hazard in contrarian corner.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on June 14, 2019, 02:10:50 PM
to be fair to trump, he put a bunch of potholes in a runway, damaged no aircraft or hangers, and most of the missiles missed anyway
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on June 14, 2019, 02:24:09 PM
Quote from: Brehvolution on June 14, 2019, 12:23:03 PM
The current US involvement is Syria is much larger than the administration or the press will talk about.

Has the Trump admin really escalated it or is it just keeping engagement levels at where they were under Obama ?

Quote from: Kara on June 14, 2019, 02:08:49 PM
A troop died in Niger doing god knows what too.

Probably some spillover of Enduring Horn : Africa of Freedom. But I guess you're not fully acclimated yet to a perpetual presence in a vaguely defined quarter of Africa and the occasional deaths in operations that come with it (hostage rescues, lately, for the RF).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on June 14, 2019, 02:31:24 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on June 14, 2019, 02:24:09 PM
Has the Trump admin really escalated it or is it just keeping engagement levels at where they were under Obama ?
Dramatically. I have trouble finding this gif but there was a timelapse of drone strikes in Syria from 2014 to 2018 or whenever they stopped reporting to the public and it's kind of shocking.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on June 14, 2019, 03:02:31 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48631741

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The government is in "pretty good shape" to cope with a no-deal Brexit, the head of civil service has said.

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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on June 14, 2019, 03:18:33 PM
Quote from: shosta on June 14, 2019, 02:31:24 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on June 14, 2019, 02:24:09 PM
Has the Trump admin really escalated it or is it just keeping engagement levels at where they were under Obama ?
Dramatically. I have trouble finding this gif but there was a timelapse of drone strikes in Syria from 2014 to 2018 or whenever they stopped reporting to the public and it's kind of shocking.

Drone strikes doesn't tell the whole story, if in the same time they reduced other material or human footprints or downsized shipments of arms or other devices to amenable groups. The admin started pulling troops at one point.

I'm not saying you're wrong, mind.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 14, 2019, 03:34:28 PM
Quote from: Raist on June 14, 2019, 03:02:31 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48631741

Quote
The government is in "pretty good shape" to cope with a no-deal Brexit, the head of civil service has said.

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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on June 14, 2019, 04:10:32 PM
For some extra lolz, this is the same guy who kept telling May that a no-deal would be a thermonuclear shit show.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: team filler on June 15, 2019, 10:45:28 AM
https://twitter.com/Ruptly/status/1139857546137808896

 :-[
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on June 15, 2019, 03:23:27 PM
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/06/16/world/15hk-analysis4/merlin_156321216_5aa60585-2799-46d9-ae67-fdd33b325eb6-superJumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on June 15, 2019, 06:58:35 PM
https://twitter.com/Rachael_Swindon/status/1139955931670810625 (https://twitter.com/Rachael_Swindon/status/1139955931670810625)

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on June 15, 2019, 11:25:30 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1140035545738989569

this guy really hates muslims
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: team filler on June 16, 2019, 06:19:43 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/CvDuYlx.jpg) :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on June 16, 2019, 08:14:46 AM
my god

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/16/dirty-secrets-of-boris-johnsons-seduction-of-conservative-mps (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/16/dirty-secrets-of-boris-johnsons-seduction-of-conservative-mps)

Quote
Colleagues enjoy conjecturing what could possibly now derail a man who has miraculously survived so much previous scandal. “Another love child falling out of the cupboard wouldn’t do it,” suggests one Tory MP of many years standing. “With Boris, all that is already in the price.”

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I’ve heard all sorts of explanations from Tories about why they are swallowing their misgivings and voting for the former foreign secretary, including one MP who revealed that his wife and children are threatening to punish him by changing the locks to the family home.

Quote
Dominic Raab has tried too hard to be the macho man for the Brexit ultras. He unnerved even some of them by saying that he might attempt to shutter parliament in order to ram through a no-deal Brexit. This is supposed to be a contest for the prime ministership of a mature democracy, not the chairmanship of the junta in a banana republic. Michael Gove is still struggling to recover his balance and answer the charges of hypocrisy after being compelled to admit that he has snorted mind-bending narcotics other than Brexit.
Quote
And if it all goes horribly wrong? At least, I often hear Tories muse, a Johnson premiership “will cheer everyone up”. When your party looks like it is going to hell in a handcart, they reckon you might as well hurtle towards the inferno with a smile on your face.

 :awesome

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1140009065688571904 (https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1140009065688571904)
Yup, it'll be Boris
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Mollys Fruity Loops on June 16, 2019, 01:32:30 PM
https://twitter.com/SadiqKhan/status/789508697743585280?s=20

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvTl6zAWcAA5YaU?format=jpg&name=medium)
 :donot
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Rufus on June 16, 2019, 01:58:08 PM
 :piss pizzagaters :piss2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on June 16, 2019, 02:47:41 PM
These clowns

https://twitter.com/Jeremy_Hunt/status/1140327538775994368 (https://twitter.com/Jeremy_Hunt/status/1140327538775994368)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: team filler on June 16, 2019, 03:09:31 PM
every older person should die  8)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Tripon on June 16, 2019, 07:20:48 PM
https://twitter.com/haaretzcom/status/1140390848011485184

Hmm...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on June 17, 2019, 02:36:53 PM
I guess that's one problem for the Egyptian rulers that took care of itself. :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on June 17, 2019, 02:42:21 PM
I'm sure it had nothing to do with 8(?) years of living under one of the world's worst prison systems and wondering if you're going to be executed every day
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on June 17, 2019, 02:50:17 PM
Quote from: Esch on June 17, 2019, 02:20:24 PM
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1140657860235464704
Quote
"Dowd, remember who I'm talking to," Trump says in the book, reportedly referring to el-Sisi. "The guy's a f---ing killer. This guy's a f---ng killer! I'm getting it done."

Trump added el-Sisi will "make you sweat on the phone," before launching into an impression of el-Sissi: "Donald, I'm worried about this investigation. Are you going to be around? Suppose I need a favor, Donald?"

 :badass
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: team filler on June 17, 2019, 04:00:05 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/RkuwJrF.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on June 17, 2019, 04:49:25 PM
Is Jerusalem Post a real source am I being fake newsd
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Diplomatic sources at the UN headquarters in New York revealed to Maariv that they are assessing the United States' plans to carry out a tactical assault on Iran in response to the tanker attack in the Persian Gulf on Thursday.
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The sources added that President Trump himself was not enthusiastic about a military move against Iran, but lost his patience on the matter and would grant Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who is pushing for action, what he wants.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Tripon on June 17, 2019, 05:02:58 PM
Quote from: shosta on June 17, 2019, 04:49:25 PM
Is Jerusalem Post a real source am I being fake newsd
Quote
Diplomatic sources at the UN headquarters in New York revealed to Maariv that they are assessing the United States' plans to carry out a tactical assault on Iran in response to the tanker attack in the Persian Gulf on Thursday.
Quote
The sources added that President Trump himself was not enthusiastic about a military move against Iran, but lost his patience on the matter and would grant Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who is pushing for action, what he wants.

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The Palestinian enclave of Gaza is a major global hotspot with potential for extreme violence. Nearly isolated from the world since Hamas took control of it in 2007, it has been a poverty -ridden corner of the world. It is a regular launching pad for rocket attacks against southern Israel and a training ground for Islamist terrorists. Israel has carried out three major operations in the territory since relinquishing it unilaterally in 2005.

https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/gaza-news

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Antisemitism is hostility towards or prejudice against the Jewish people. Since biblical times, Jews experienced periods in which they were persecuted for refusing to adopt the religion and culture of the ruling societies in which they lived. The rise of Christianity and perception of Jews as rejectors of Jesus led to a rise in antisemitism.

https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Antisemitism


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The region known as the Middle East has been conquered and reconquered by every super power in the West. This has created a region rich in a culture of resistance and thousands of ethnic groups looking for their piece of land. This has created a complicated region and Jpost's Middle East News simplifies it.

https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East


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Health and Science are two of the most developed sectors in Israel and the country is a powerhouse of medical innovation with many game-changing medical advances being made on a regular basis. 'Health and Science' provides you with the latest updates on Israel's health trends, health tips, news and fitness.as well as the cutting edge scientific discoveries and advancements.

https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE

(https://i.imgur.com/AWiNGA1.png)

https://www.jpost.com/genesis/genesis.aspx


They are really in love with the idea of Israel.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on June 17, 2019, 05:04:10 PM
I too am in love at the idea of my own existence.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: team filler on June 17, 2019, 05:16:31 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Kara on June 17, 2019, 05:19:50 PM
It's no al-Ittihad, but what is.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Occam on June 17, 2019, 05:23:54 PM
Quote from: filler on June 17, 2019, 04:00:05 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/RkuwJrF.jpg)

I see they are fans of Chapelle. "Just sprinkle some crack on him."
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: BisMarckie on June 17, 2019, 05:31:54 PM
:beli
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on June 17, 2019, 05:39:25 PM
Trump starting WW3 because he lost his patience with John Bolton and Mike Pompeo would be the most on brand thing that has ever happened on this planet.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: BisMarckie on June 17, 2019, 05:43:22 PM
Quote from: Kara on June 17, 2019, 05:19:50 PM
It's no al-Ittihad, but what is.

I didn‘t know you were a Saudi football aficionado. :obama
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 17, 2019, 08:22:56 PM
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/raptors-rally-shooting-1.5178886

almost went to this with a friend - he came back to work rather freaked out
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on June 18, 2019, 01:31:10 PM
Quote
Dominic Raab has been knocked out of the Tory leadership race in the latest ballot of MPs, leaving five candidates in the battle to be the next PM.

Boris Johnson once again came top of the second ballot, with 126 votes - 12 more than in the first round.

Jeremy Hunt, Michael Gove, Sajid Javid and Rory Stewart also got enough votes to make it into the next round.

Mr Raab did not get through, after getting 30 votes, three less than the minimum needed.


I love how something as monumental as leaving the EU was a done deal after one dumb referendum no one really gave a shit about, but finding May's replacement is going to take nearly two months and like, 4 votes :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on June 18, 2019, 03:16:20 PM
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1141029016956231680 (https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1141029016956231680)

Boris is doing better than expected :mynicca


All these candidates are fucking terrible

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAiFwPG9eEg

 :neogaf


Gove: "Jeremy Corbyn stands up for the Iranian regime not the average worker"

Jesus christ dude.  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: team filler on June 19, 2019, 01:46:34 AM
 :thinking

https://twitter.com/Ian56789/status/1141116485798117376

 :shaking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on June 19, 2019, 03:39:21 AM
Chinese slacktivists really exposing themselves with the lack of protests, how bad can it be really if there's none ? (I didn't want to make a huge care post in the thread dedicated to shit impulses, but I thought the reasoning was a bit tautological to be honest.)

https://youtu.be/WmId2ZP3h0c

Soviet sluggish schizophrenia has been replaced with pre-crime, apparently.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Rufus on June 19, 2019, 12:01:02 PM
Not hydrated enough, apparently. :idont
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Kara on June 19, 2019, 12:01:32 PM
Quote from: Stro on June 19, 2019, 11:53:59 AM
So...why was she shaking? Parkinsons? Low blood sugar? Putin's dog was out of frame? Nervous? Cold?

Reports came out that Greece was getting a 0.01% debt haircut.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Rufus on June 19, 2019, 12:03:03 PM
 :lucas
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: BisMarckie on June 19, 2019, 12:05:08 PM
Have you seen the numbers of the Deutsche Bank lately to only name one? Not great, we need every cent especially in these trying times of low rates.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Kara on June 19, 2019, 12:09:10 PM
Plus, the Nazis in the BRD look a lot better with Golden Dawn on the scene. :win
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Rufus on June 19, 2019, 12:18:36 PM
A local politician was shot and killed recently. Main suspect is a neo-nazi. :shaq2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Kara on June 19, 2019, 12:23:44 PM
Clearly they weren't Turkish because the police figured that out in less than 10 years and multiple murders!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: BisMarckie on June 19, 2019, 12:26:02 PM
Quote from: Rufus on June 19, 2019, 12:18:36 PM
A local politician was shot and killed recently. Main suspect is a neo-nazi. :shaq2

Have you heard the comments from Peter Tauber though?
Limit freedom of speech and freedom of assembly for people and parties who are against the constitution.

Like, breh, they have been able to do that since 1949. You only need the supreme court to state that a party is unconstitutional. How did that go during the NPD trial? :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: BisMarckie on June 19, 2019, 12:29:55 PM
Quote from: Kara on June 19, 2019, 12:23:44 PM
Clearly they weren't Turkish because the police figured that out in less than 10 years and multiple murders!

Don‘t fotget that even though that it was one of, if not the biggest criminal trial in the last 25 years, that the evidence against Zschäpe was extremely thin and the revision, if the case wasn‘t so politically charged, would have had extremely good chances to overturn the verdict.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Rufus on June 19, 2019, 12:44:01 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on June 19, 2019, 12:26:02 PM
Quote from: Rufus on June 19, 2019, 12:18:36 PM
A local politician was shot and killed recently. Main suspect is a neo-nazi. :shaq2

Have you heard the comments from Peter Tauber though?
Limit freedom of speech and freedom of assembly for people and parties who are against the constitution.
It's paywalled, but his opener "it is now obvious that right-wing extremists not only rampage in social networks" makes me not want to read the rest anyway, so...  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Kara on June 19, 2019, 01:06:41 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on June 19, 2019, 12:26:02 PM
Quote from: Rufus on June 19, 2019, 12:18:36 PM
A local politician was shot and killed recently. Main suspect is a neo-nazi. :shaq2

Have you heard the comments from Peter Tauber though?
Limit freedom of speech and freedom of assembly for people and parties who are against the constitution.

Like, breh, they have been able to do that since 1949. You only need the supreme court to state that a party is unconstitutional. How did that go during the NPD trial? :doge

(https://i.imgur.com/oXjVMkw.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on June 19, 2019, 01:16:56 PM
Learn from the master Maduro.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XAI44F34aU
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on June 19, 2019, 01:53:08 PM
#BackBoris

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1141391697366192128 (https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1141391697366192128)

Stewart is out. Only 4 left.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: team filler on June 19, 2019, 04:20:52 PM
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 :goldberg
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on June 19, 2019, 04:26:20 PM
Quote from: Rufus on June 19, 2019, 12:01:02 PM
Not hydrated enough, apparently. :idont

That's the go-to excuse for politicians who clearly should just retire :lol (see: Clinton's similar incident).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: team filler on June 19, 2019, 04:32:01 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/GYW3Ejk.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 19, 2019, 08:16:24 PM
Canada resettled more refugees than any other country in 2018

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48696974

The country accepted just over 28,000 refugees last year, with the United States coming in second with 22,900.

Some 92,400 refugees were resettled globally in 2018, fewer than 7% of those awaiting resettlement worldwide.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Momo on June 20, 2019, 04:02:26 AM
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/06/iran-revolutionary-guard-shoots-spy-drone-report-190620035802427.html

What do you guys make of this? specifically about the claim that it was/wasnt over Iran airspace by the opposing sides.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Rufus on June 20, 2019, 04:12:00 AM
I find it real convenient that Iran would poke the bear right after the US went back to squeezing them. Iran stands to lose a lot more, but then I don't know how fucked/desperate they are right now, economically.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on June 20, 2019, 04:17:49 AM
Quote from: Rufus on June 20, 2019, 04:12:00 AM
I find it real convenient that Iran would poke the bear right after the US went back to squeezing them. Iran stands to lose a lot more, but then I don't know how fucked/desperate they are right now, economically.
5% contraction in gdp last year, 6% this year, 50% inflation, 20% unemployment
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Momo on June 20, 2019, 04:21:50 AM
I read a whole lot of other sources and the US claims the drone was 17 miles from the Iranian border, the drone in question has a speed of about 320mph. I can see a scenario where the drone crossed over into Iranian space, Iran fired a missile, the drone punched it and got ended outside of Iranian airspace, making both claims technically true (Iran shot while they were in their airspace and the US got hit outside of it).

This is just such a weird piece of escalation to me, why fuck around and risk shit happening that would lead to US soldiers again in the ME against a country backed by Russia. What's the gain here? Was this a failed intimidation tactic or the start of a series of events to lure Iran into a war?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Mandark on June 20, 2019, 04:28:35 AM
A large segment of the US political class has wanted war with Iran for decades and has been pretty up front about it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2019, 04:29:00 AM
Quote from: Momo on June 20, 2019, 04:02:26 AM
specifically about the claim that it was/wasnt over Iran airspace by the opposing sides.
That's pretty much what everyone says about everything that's ever been shot down. Probably dates back to the French-Prussian War at latest when the French sent up all kinds of useless balloons that tended to follow the wind instead of going where they wanted them to. IIRC, at one point during the Siege of Paris the French balloons were of more use to the Prussians because they'd drift over their lines and then the Prussians would interrogate the pilots, about the condition of the city, who obviously wouldn't get back to Paris until later. The Union and Confederate armies quickly stopped messing around with balloons in the American Civil War for much of the same reasons. Austria and France kept dabbling with them because Franz Joseph and Napoleon III were fanboys of them.

The Austrians were arguably the very first to try bombing from balloons, but they ran into a similar problem, at one point they loaded up like a hundred balloons with bombs to drop, and only one managed to do it, the wind blew all the rest back over the Austrians.

Quote from: Momo on June 20, 2019, 04:21:50 AM
I read a whole lot of other sources and the US claims the drone was 17 miles from the Iranian border, the drone in question has a speed of about 320mph. I can see a scenario where the drone crossed over into Iranian space, Iran fired a missile, the drone punched it and got ended outside of Iranian airspace, making both claims technically true (Iran shot while they were in their airspace and the US got hit outside of it).

This is just such a weird piece of escalation to me, why fuck around and risk shit happening that would lead to US soldiers again in the ME against a country backed by Russia. What's the gain here? Was this a failed intimidation tactic or the start of a series of events to lure Iran into a war?
It's not real escalation. Border blasting of shit flying around has been a thing during all modern war. Everyone agrees to best maximize the propaganda value of it and then quietly settle things after. Since it's a drone a lot of the normal stuff is cut down, no bodies to recover, many drones are designed to crash on purpose at some point anyway, somebody gets to test their ability to shoot them down, etc.

The U.S. has much better ways of declaring a provocation requiring combat.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on June 20, 2019, 04:31:34 AM
Quote from: Momo on June 20, 2019, 04:21:50 AM
Was this a failed intimidation tactic or the start of a series of events to lure Iran into a war?
this one
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2019, 05:02:29 AM
Quote from: Mandark on June 20, 2019, 04:28:35 AM
A large segment of the US political class has wanted war with Iran for decades and has been pretty up front about it.
I'll be honest, the strategy gamer in me would like to close that gap in our imperial holdings so as to reduce the need to maneuver our units around it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on June 20, 2019, 05:05:36 AM
Iran needs to stop plundering the trade routes of the city states that we're suzerain of
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2019, 05:13:34 AM
STOP DEMANDING MY MUSIC IRAN, I WILL NOT HELP YOU OVERTAKE ME IN CULTURE

WHERE IS BOLTON
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on June 20, 2019, 05:25:20 AM
Bolton recommends you bomb their theater square.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2019, 05:30:52 AM
I just want them to stop trying to do espionage in my capital, I can't level up the spy there anymore
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Momo on June 20, 2019, 07:40:20 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 20, 2019, 04:29:00 AM
Quote from: Momo on June 20, 2019, 04:02:26 AM
specifically about the claim that it was/wasnt over Iran airspace by the opposing sides.
That's pretty much what everyone says about everything that's ever been shot down. Probably dates back to the French-Prussian War at latest when the French sent up all kinds of useless balloons that tended to follow the wind instead of going where they wanted them to. IIRC, at one point during the Siege of Paris the French balloons were of more use to the Prussians because they'd drift over their lines and then the Prussians would interrogate the pilots, about the condition of the city, who obviously wouldn't get back to Paris until later. The Union and Confederate armies quickly stopped messing around with balloons in the American Civil War for much of the same reasons. Austria and France kept dabbling with them because Franz Joseph and Napoleon III were fanboys of them.

The Austrians were arguably the very first to try bombing from balloons, but they ran into a similar problem, at one point they loaded up like a hundred balloons with bombs to drop, and only one managed to do it, the wind blew all the rest back over the Austrians.

Quote from: Momo on June 20, 2019, 04:21:50 AM
I read a whole lot of other sources and the US claims the drone was 17 miles from the Iranian border, the drone in question has a speed of about 320mph. I can see a scenario where the drone crossed over into Iranian space, Iran fired a missile, the drone punched it and got ended outside of Iranian airspace, making both claims technically true (Iran shot while they were in their airspace and the US got hit outside of it).

This is just such a weird piece of escalation to me, why fuck around and risk shit happening that would lead to US soldiers again in the ME against a country backed by Russia. What's the gain here? Was this a failed intimidation tactic or the start of a series of events to lure Iran into a war?
It's not real escalation. Border blasting of shit flying around has been a thing during all modern war. Everyone agrees to best maximize the propaganda value of it and then quietly settle things after. Since it's a drone a lot of the normal stuff is cut down, no bodies to recover, many drones are designed to crash on purpose at some point anyway, somebody gets to test their ability to shoot them down, etc.

The U.S. has much better ways of declaring a provocation requiring combat.
The reason I'm more worried about this is because it's Iran, when it comes to the ME, the US doesn't fuck around, even with flimsy motivations. I know they play these petty games in eastern Europe and Africa as well, but the chances of them ever doing something there is nil.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on June 20, 2019, 01:40:54 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/4l2AikP.png)

This isn't quite as good as the headline of the year (http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?action=like;topic=41489;msg=2625398) but it's still pretty good.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on June 20, 2019, 01:52:10 PM
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1141754168488726528 (https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1141754168488726528)

Boris winning this on the advent of WW3 would be so on brand for him.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on June 20, 2019, 02:00:27 PM
See you in just over a month (yes, you read that right) to know if the buffoon or the cunt won.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Kara on June 20, 2019, 02:05:19 PM
Quote from: shosta on June 20, 2019, 01:40:54 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/4l2AikP.png)

This isn't quite as good as the headline of the year (http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?action=like;topic=41489;msg=2625398) but it's still pretty good.

BEAST MODE
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on June 20, 2019, 02:47:08 PM
oh shit, this is the interview that got him temporarily detained
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on June 20, 2019, 05:36:29 PM
Quote from: Kara on June 20, 2019, 02:05:19 PM
Quote from: shosta on June 20, 2019, 01:40:54 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/4l2AikP.png)

This isn't quite as good as the headline of the year (http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?action=like;topic=41489;msg=2625398) but it's still pretty good.

BEAST MODE
'
I like how beast mode is now a thing  :smug

spoiler (click to show/hide)
And unlike Dudebro it hopefully won't turn into a Nazi march  :-\
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Tripon on June 21, 2019, 01:36:25 AM
https://twitter.com/MunnaJazzbaati/status/1141765169565118471

Those shirts.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 21, 2019, 03:25:07 AM
Could have at least go for no maam
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2019, 07:06:59 AM
wait, the commander-in-chief of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard is General Salami?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4R82pNqGBE
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 21, 2019, 02:19:17 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-china-48696184/faith-in-ruins-china-s-vanishing-beards-and-mosques
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on June 23, 2019, 02:07:40 PM
Erdogan seems to have taken notes from the Theresay May school of politics LMAO

https://twitter.com/laurapitel/status/1142840151309205510 (https://twitter.com/laurapitel/status/1142840151309205510)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on June 23, 2019, 04:57:38 PM
I'm not sure what Erdogan was thinking with that one. Obviously Istanbul mayoralty is a huge pulpit and springboard for national ambition (Erdogan is a former mayor of the city, after all), I understand why they didn't want to lose it but it's weird to waste so much political capital on a gamble.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on June 23, 2019, 05:37:15 PM
Speaking of mayoral elections, France has jumped straight to pre-election maneuvering long in advance of the actual vote (unlike the European election, but that's a much more popular and important election). All of the mayors face polls on the same day, which the Germans find odd apparently.

Macron's party is obviously courting a number of mayors (mostly from the right wing Les Républicains who are in disarray after their European flop). Already 70 LR mayors signed an op-ed to say they were open to it. It's not just on their right, they're also probably throw their support to Lyon's mayor G.Collomb who is a former Socialist but he had already changed allegiance back before Macron's election, he was his first Minister of Interior. There's no confusion which side LREM has more affinities with.

As someone noted it's a bit of an implicit admission that LREM can't just suddenly grow grassroots by itself. As you may remember, the French National Assembly saw almost unprecedented level of personnel replacement and political débutants getting their first mandate but it hasn't really rejuvenated politics in France, the system already is biased to the President and Macron leant really hard on keeping as vertical as ever. LREM targets 10k local officials (from their current 2k) after the election.

Far right Rassemblement National is expected to consolidate his holdings and gain more cities (in a strategy called "radiation" by the party or "flooding" by others). I mentioned this before but the RN only has a dozen mayors or so (counting Béziers where the mayor Robert Ménard -yes, the co-founder of Reporters Without Borders- is non affiliated officially but has the backing of RN on the council) out of 36000 in France when the current agonizing Communist Party still has 750 or so. It never made inroads locally, almost never managed to win two mandates back to back in the half of dozen cities it had in the past. But it looks like the containment will break down alongside the decaying of the two former major parties.

A number of LR mayors, especially in the south-east, will probably go on the road of allying to RN to achieve majorities.

The Green party is still high off its results in the Euro election and has annoyed a lot of people by openly declaring they intend to win more cities by themselves and that basically being suppletives for the Socialist doesn't interest them as much. I mean it's not wholly unjustified but it's a bit of a crapshoot that the Euro election results will map to local elections.

Speaking of Socialist, the polls from Paris, that they are holding since 2001, are souring a bit as it seems the incumbent -Anne Hidalgo- could lose to any LREM candidate. It's vitally important for the PS they keep Paris (and not just for the optics of losing the most important city in the country) so they'll probably throw everything they could to the Greens to keep that alliance going.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Momo on June 24, 2019, 02:01:36 AM
Earth Dragon is one of the most ridiculous politicians currently in office, with the clowns walking around these days that's a low opinion
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Occam on June 24, 2019, 03:15:12 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on June 23, 2019, 04:57:38 PM
I'm not sure what Erdogan was thinking with that one. Obviously Istanbul mayoralty is a huge pulpit and springboard for national ambition (Erdogan is a former mayor of the city, after all), I understand why they didn't want to lose it but it's weird to waste so much political capital on a gamble.

Erdogan isn't a very intelligent man. He is emotional, short tempered, narrow-minded. His inability to see the big picture causes him to make lots of idiotic decisions. During the past decade he has replaced all of his capable advisors with yes-men and family members. It's only natural that he completely misjudged the situation in Istanbul. Even tough he has successfully consolidated his power, his idiocy has started to take a very real and palpable toll on the economic situation of Turkey. Erdogan's Turkey is ruled by corruption while the nation is doing a giant leap backwards in virtually all areas of life and suffering from a fantastic brain drain: Young and educated Turks are getting out in ever greater numbers. While this may actually be helping Erdogan temporarily (because much like himself, Erdogan's voters are not educated people), the damage to Turkey's future is immeasurable. This is not a smart ruler with a feasible long term strategy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on June 24, 2019, 01:43:23 PM
Would someone please think of muh democracy.


https://twitter.com/Beany_1/status/1142693235527180288
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on June 24, 2019, 01:45:04 PM
Quote from: Raist on June 24, 2019, 01:43:23 PM
Would someone please think of muh democracy.


https://twitter.com/Beany_1/status/1142693235527180288
The entire campaign is basically:

"Did <insert candidate> really say that?"

And the answer is always:
"YES!"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: agrajag on June 24, 2019, 05:53:35 PM
https://twitter.com/nytopinion/status/1143107508929728512

:kobeyuck
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Tripon on June 25, 2019, 08:52:26 AM
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1143426734651564033
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Occam on June 25, 2019, 09:53:46 AM
Quote from: Tripon on June 25, 2019, 08:52:26 AM
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1143426734651564033

When telling the truth is considered "mocking".

(Not a clever thing to do when the person suffering from re tardation has the power to order military strikes, of course.)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 25, 2019, 09:58:25 AM
please have patience with our distinguished mentally-challenged fellow president
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Occam on June 25, 2019, 10:03:57 AM
Can't the word filter make an exception for the medical term r e t a r d a t i o n?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Kara on June 25, 2019, 10:23:51 AM
Yikes, y'all, I think it may be time to cancel the President of Iran.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on June 25, 2019, 12:48:31 PM
He's bonking mad.
The interviewer tries to save him by moving on to the next question and he just continues rambling.

Perfect.

Also someone find a bus that Boris painted. I bet it looks really great.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on June 25, 2019, 02:07:21 PM
That might be an issue if Joe Biden becomes president
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on June 25, 2019, 02:20:05 PM
I'm surprised he paints passengers enjoying themselves and not "let's give 350 million to the NHS".
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Occam on June 26, 2019, 09:24:45 AM
Newly released, totally not staged promotional images of Boris Johnson and his significant other:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D90HTwpXkAAkSlw?format=jpg)

Someone on Twitter did this enhancement.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D91hF4VXUAAHx02?format=jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on June 26, 2019, 09:33:43 AM
What do you mean. This clearly looks like a spontaneous moment, frozen in time for eternity by a paparazzi from 2 miles away.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Brehvolution on June 26, 2019, 09:39:11 AM
Mow the lawn you lazy fuck.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: BisMarckie on June 26, 2019, 09:56:50 AM
Quote from: Brehvolution on June 26, 2019, 09:39:11 AM
Mow the lawn you lazy fuck.
This.
How can he be expected to lead a country when he can‘t even handle his back yard.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on June 26, 2019, 10:53:59 AM
He took back control and fired his portuguese gardener, obviously.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on June 27, 2019, 07:00:44 AM
Merkel again had the shakes during an event.
Is this gonna be one of those Mitterrand things of learning she had some sickness once she steps down ?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: BisMarckie on June 27, 2019, 07:11:31 AM
Merkel having to step down would be a disaster for the CDU. That SPD/CDU coalition is hanging on by a thread.

I am not ready for a green chancellor, but people love preachy neolibs apparently. :stahp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Rufus on June 27, 2019, 07:26:40 AM
GreenDU > CDU
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: BisMarckie on June 27, 2019, 07:40:42 AM
It‘s about the comfort of the status quo. :rage
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: team filler on June 27, 2019, 02:34:17 PM
https://twitter.com/RTUKnews/status/1144186105845051392

 :pitbull
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on June 27, 2019, 02:47:53 PM
https://twitter.com/pujamehra/status/1143560405484298241

The Indian opposition :preach
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: team filler on June 27, 2019, 03:01:38 PM
 :noah
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on June 27, 2019, 05:57:29 PM
How's the campaign going Boris?

https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1144349707331919879 (https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1144349707331919879)

Still the front runner  8)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Momo on June 28, 2019, 01:10:21 AM
bbc should never be censored
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on June 28, 2019, 03:45:13 PM
Quote from: filler on June 27, 2019, 02:34:17 PM
https://twitter.com/RTUKnews/status/1144186105845051392

 :pitbull

They're going to need some more.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48807161

Quote
The EU and South American economic bloc Mercosur have clinched a huge trade deal after 20 years of negotiations.

The deal aims to cut or remove trade tariffs, making imported products cheaper for consumers while also boosting exports for companies on both sides.

It is set to create a market for goods and services covering nearly 800 million consumers, making it the largest in the world in terms of population.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: team filler on June 29, 2019, 12:57:51 AM
https://twitter.com/madanboukman/status/1144825626886410242

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 29, 2019, 05:13:19 AM
Quote from: Nintex on June 27, 2019, 05:57:29 PM
How's the campaign going Boris?

https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1144349707331919879 (https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1144349707331919879)

Still the front runner  8)

Good luck boris with renegotiating the brexit deal

Lolololol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 29, 2019, 09:50:08 AM
BAN DALAI LAMA

DO IT YOU COWARDS
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: BisMarckie on June 29, 2019, 01:08:58 PM
The fusion of :umad and :ufup that we needed.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on June 29, 2019, 01:57:43 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on June 29, 2019, 01:08:58 PM
The fusion of :umad and :ufup that we needed.


I'm getting more of a :ohyou vibe.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on June 29, 2019, 02:23:40 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/27/brexit-civil-servant-in-charge-of-no-deal-planning-quits

Another one in charge of sorting some aspects brexit out bails.

Although.

Quote
Tom Shinner, 33, director of policy and delivery coordination at the Department for Exiting the EU, was in charge of coordinating the domestic policy implications of Brexit across government departments to ensure a smooth exit from the EU.

Put a 33yo in charge of something like this, bruvs :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Kara on June 29, 2019, 04:46:39 PM
critical support to Assimilate's fash daddy for icing the neoliberal nepotism case
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on June 30, 2019, 07:46:36 AM
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1145290422606008321 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1145290422606008321)

History  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on June 30, 2019, 12:23:24 PM
Did he really just step over the line and then back? :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Kara on July 01, 2019, 12:51:28 PM
Nazis? In the BRD law enforcement apparatus? It's more likely than you think.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on July 01, 2019, 01:08:27 PM
Oh so that's why Merkel was shaking rn
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on July 01, 2019, 01:31:47 PM
Things going pretty well in HK

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-china-48821664/hong-kong-champagne-and-protests-on-handover-anniversary
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on July 01, 2019, 04:02:17 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48819260

Quote
Jeremy Hunt has said he would decide by the end of September whether there is a "realistic chance" of reaching a new Brexit deal with the EU.

The Tory leadership contender said he would deliver a provisional "no-deal Brexit budget" in early September and then give the EU three weeks.

He vowed to abandon talks after that if there was no "immediate prospect" of progress and move to a no-deal footing.

His rival Boris Johnson has vowed to leave "come what may" by 31 October.

Speaking to reporters on Monday, Mr Johnson said it was important to have a "hard deadline" for leaving, adding that previous no-deal preparations had "sagged back down" after exit dates were not met.

At the same time, he said preparations for no deal would continue in earnest, and all leave for civil servants at government departments would be cancelled unless he received guarantees that no-deal planning was "on time and on track".

The foreign secretary also warned MPs against attempting to block a no-deal Brexit, warning it could make it harder to get a new agreement by giving the EU "misplaced confidence that we'll give ground".

He added that detailed preparation plans for no deal were needed to make it a "credible threat" to the EU, and give the UK "leverage" in the talks.

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

(https://media.giphy.com/media/IUjaKjjPPbGaQ/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 01, 2019, 04:10:45 PM
If anyone is going to stay in the EU in the end it's Boris.

The tories are not as dumb as they look.  :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Occam on July 01, 2019, 04:35:54 PM
After 30 years of killing whales and eating them for "research", Japan has officially started whaling again today. No longer for "research".

Edit:
"Due to its low food self-sufficiency rate, around 40%, Japan relies on stockpiling to secure a stable food supply. As of 2009, Japan's 1.2 million ton seafood stockpile included nearly 5000 tons of whale meat. In 2005, the Japanese government began encouraging public schools to serve whale meat in school lunches as part of an initiative to reduce the country's stockpiles. A reported 18 percent of public elementary and junior high schools offering lunches served whale meat at least once during the 2009/2010 fiscal year. However, there has been criticism of serving whale meat to school children due to allegations of toxic methylmercury levels. The World Wildlife Fund has also estimated that the Japanese government has had to invest $12 million into the 2008–09 Antarctic whale hunt alone just to break even, and that subsidies in total have amounted to about $150 million since 1988.

One study found levels of mercury in whale red meat at six times the limit set by the US FDA for food. Whale meat can also be contaminated with polychlorinated biphenyls. Critics claim that, because of contamination, it constitutes a health risk. Thus children and pregnant women are advised to refrain from eating whale meat."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling_in_Japan#Commercial_viability

You can't make this up.
"Whaling makes no commercial sense and the meat of which we have stockpiled too much already is poisonous. Solution: Let's kill even more whales and feed them to our children!"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Kara on July 01, 2019, 05:09:32 PM
Netherlands national rail finally paying restitution for being paid to transport people to Nazi death camps. Better late than never!

Unless most survivors and perpetrators are dead, I guess. :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 01, 2019, 05:41:38 PM
Boris still making moves

https://twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/1145797164754505728 (https://twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/1145797164754505728)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 02, 2019, 05:42:47 PM
At least the UK still has elections.

The new EUSSR leaders have been appointed by the central committee

https://twitter.com/EUCouncilPress/status/1146110407964352513 (https://twitter.com/EUCouncilPress/status/1146110407964352513)

None of these people were even candidates or leaders of their political blocks  :lol

1. Wrecked Germany's armed forces

2. Wrecked Greece

3. Wrecked Belgium

4. Convicted of fraud and famously said the US only had to kill 4 Indians to form a nation
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on July 02, 2019, 05:50:36 PM
Lagarde keeps failing up and up Jesus.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I dunno maybe she's good at what she does. At least she didn't assault a Sofitel maid.
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Rufus on July 02, 2019, 06:00:19 PM
Von der Leyen failing upward as well. No doubts about incompetence. :shaq2

Parliament still has to vote, so... All hope is not lost.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: BisMarckie on July 02, 2019, 06:07:38 PM
Quote from: Rufus on July 02, 2019, 06:00:19 PM
Von der Leyen failing upward as well. No doubts about incompetence. :shaq2

Parliament still has to vote, so... All hope is not lost.

Sending failing politicians to Brussels is a proud tradition.
She can say hi to Günther Oettinger. 


Maybe the next minister of defence can ensure that more than 1 ship is considered ready for duty.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Kara on July 02, 2019, 06:08:14 PM
Quote from: Nintex on July 02, 2019, 05:42:47 PM
1. Wrecked Germany's armed forces

This is supposed to make me not like the klanidate [sic]? :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 02, 2019, 06:10:16 PM
Quote from: Rufus on July 02, 2019, 06:00:19 PM
Von der Leyen failing upward as well. No doubts about incompetence. :shaq2

Parliament still has to vote, so... All hope is not lost.
It's a deal made between the Visegrad countries and the others.

Orban didn't want Weber, so the socialists lobbied for the top job and the others settled on Frans Timmermans but Orban blocked him too.
So as a compromise they've decided on Ursula. With a German as President they can't deliver the head of the ECB as well.
So that's where France comes in and Macron backed Lagarde for the position.

But these are some bottom tier establishment picks for sure and Orban backed these because they're A) horrible and B) easy targets.
No one has to worry about anything changing the EU except the bar tab and maybe Lagarde will put the entire block on some austerity.  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: BisMarckie on July 02, 2019, 06:11:00 PM
Without the threat of German invasion, Dutch forum users became known as the worst posters per capita. :ufup
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Kara on July 02, 2019, 06:19:13 PM
The Dutch seemed quite comfortable being occupied by Germans. :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on July 02, 2019, 06:32:37 PM
An italian judge gave back her freedom to Carola Rackete, the captain of the Sea Watch 3 who forced through the refusal from authorities to anchor in Lampedusa with over 40 migrants they picked up in the Med.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 03, 2019, 12:47:19 AM
Quote from: Kara on July 01, 2019, 05:09:32 PM
Netherlands national rail finally paying restitution for being paid to transport people to Nazi death camps. Better late than never!

Unless most survivors and perpetrators are dead, I guess. :kermit

Its late but better late then never.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on July 03, 2019, 01:44:15 AM
Quote from: Nintex on July 02, 2019, 05:42:47 PM
At least the UK still has elections.

You mean, like they got Theresa May without voting for her originally? Or how they'll get Bojo without voting for him? Or the House of Lords? :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 03, 2019, 02:27:24 AM
The Eu is also a democracy but not a direct one thank god so we dont have to worry about clowns like Boris, Trump, Orban, Duda etc.

Brexit shows how stupid people are.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: team filler on July 03, 2019, 02:31:49 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bagbjxCdXjE


R.B.R
17 hours ago
Great idea. Yasser Arafat, Hugo Chavez were slowly poisoned, by Mosad and the CIA.  :putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on July 03, 2019, 07:39:42 AM
Today in "Brits behaving like a bunch of 5yo abroad".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48839829
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Occam on July 03, 2019, 08:14:41 AM
Inspired by their role models.
(https://www.sz-photo.de/thumb.php/members-the-nsdap-in-the-reichstag-1930_00018908_p.jpg?eJwljLEOwjAQQ__Fc4dLCU1yG8pSJAoSQQImFNELC2KgdEL8O0eYnp5t-Y24Apd8n6RB7MGA8gQ2inPFZg1uFVst5XG7zFPWzaBGRMYH8j891G2q0xTBVjH8M61ez1n_j6kGe3DnqcFOFS5QGK2QaxfXpe2kGCnFidhsQhnJ4PMFVagncg~~)

Members the NSDAP in the Reichstag, 1930
Image text:
The Nazi party fraction turns away from the speech of Dr. Loewenthal. In the middle in front Joseph Goebbels writes with his body averted (in light su​it).
Photographer:
Scherl
Date:   10.12.1930
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 03, 2019, 05:37:31 PM
Quote from: Premium Lager on July 03, 2019, 02:27:24 AM
The Eu is also a democracy but not a direct one thank god so we dont have to worry about clowns like Boris, Trump, Orban, Duda etc.

Brexit shows how stupid people are.
You have the chance not to appoint fuck ups and you go with Leyen, Michel, Lagarde and a Spanish convict for the top jobs.
That kinda beats the whole point of appointing the best men/women for the job.

They could've decided on any other establishment picks who aren't complete fuck-ups.  :doge 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on July 03, 2019, 05:39:12 PM
Quote from: Nintex on July 03, 2019, 05:37:31 PM
They could've decided on any other establishment picks who aren't complete fuck-ups.  :doge

They obviously couldn't or we wouldn't be there.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on July 03, 2019, 07:05:19 PM
Quote from: Stro on July 03, 2019, 06:50:27 PM
:lol at the US president drinking Diet Coke out of a wine glass at the G20
WAT
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 03, 2019, 07:07:25 PM
Quote from: Stro on July 03, 2019, 06:50:27 PM
:lol at the US president drinking Diet Coke out of a wine glass at the G20
Them: "We will have flying cars in the future"

The actual Future:
(https://im.indiatimes.in/content/2019/Jun/putin_1561880100_725x725.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on July 03, 2019, 07:08:48 PM
omg


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Kara on July 03, 2019, 07:08:51 PM
Quote from: Stro on July 03, 2019, 06:50:27 PM
:lol at the US president drinking Diet Coke out of a wine glass at the G20

Maybe it was kalimotxo, Luis Carrero Blanco. :hmph
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on July 03, 2019, 07:10:13 PM
not gonna lie though the same characteristics for a wine glass that deliver flavor and senses, also deliver carbonation.  source: I drank coca cola out of wine glasses till I was 57.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 03, 2019, 07:12:03 PM
Trump drinks at least 12 diet cokes a day.

After his UN speech a while back he toasted with a diet coke.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on July 03, 2019, 07:17:02 PM
Never trust a person who doesn't drink.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: BisMarckie on July 03, 2019, 08:03:15 PM
If Trump eats Lunchables at a diplomatic dinner then I might have to rethink my stance on him. :american
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on July 04, 2019, 12:27:01 PM
Quote from: Raist on July 03, 2019, 07:39:42 AM
Today in "Brits behaving like a bunch of 5yo abroad".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48839829

New episode.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48869520
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on July 04, 2019, 12:36:11 PM
https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1146309908154978305


:thinking


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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on July 04, 2019, 12:39:22 PM
Yeah yeah nice, no appeasement, can you kindly fuck off now ? You said you were leaving 2 hours ago.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on July 05, 2019, 08:47:38 AM
Algerians still in the street (on the day celebrating the independence, no less) to get what they want. The presidential election was supposed to have been held yet for a painful lack of legitimacy of the few people the current institutions are willing to offer the citizens.
:salute
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on July 05, 2019, 12:39:33 PM
Those trade deals are shaping up nicely.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on July 05, 2019, 12:46:51 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-48881327


3 to 11 years?

Put those pieces of shit behind bars for 30y minimum, wtf.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on July 05, 2019, 01:19:10 PM
:dead

https://twitter.com/alanferrier/status/1146100784200867842
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 05, 2019, 02:45:11 PM
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1146992859159171072 (https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1146992859159171072)

 :hump

:kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Occam on July 05, 2019, 11:34:14 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1147068717848829952
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: HardcoreRetro on July 06, 2019, 05:06:45 AM
Quote from: Kara on July 01, 2019, 05:09:32 PM
Netherlands national rail finally paying restitution for being paid to transport people to Nazi death camps. Better late than never!

Unless most survivors and perpetrators are dead, I guess. :kermit

My dad has rights to it, but doesn't want to get money over his dad's dead body.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on July 06, 2019, 05:27:03 AM
I learned that Boris Johnson is the son of a British MEP and Euro public servant (among other activities) and lived briefly as a teen in Uccle. Fortune is one cheeky bitch.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 06, 2019, 05:33:08 AM
https://twitter.com/lacey_butcher/status/1147251657698402304 (https://twitter.com/lacey_butcher/status/1147251657698402304)

https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1147268923290767360 (https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1147268923290767360)

 :gbcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on July 07, 2019, 10:51:06 AM
I imagine Québec has laws similar to what we have in France (or have/had in Turkey) ?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Mollys Fruity Loops on July 07, 2019, 01:31:05 PM
Tory members sent 'multiple ballots' for leadership vote (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/06/tory-members-multiple-ballots-for-picking-leader)

Quote

Some Conservative members have reportedly been sent more than one ballot paper for the leadership election.

More than 1,000 people could have multiple forms in the contest between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt, according to a BBC report citing a party source.

The broadcaster said those affected could include people who joined their local Conservative party at their home and work address or others who have changed their name.

Hunt’s campaign chairman, the former cabinet minister Sir Patrick McLoughlin, warned party members should only vote once even if they had received two ballot papers. “It’s made very clear on the ballot paper that you are only allowed to vote once. I expect Conservative members to follow that,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.


Hunt says he received 'Back Boris' campaign email without signing up
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McLoughlin acknowledged the error has “got to be looked at”, but added: “It can’t be clearer, it’s right there on the ballot paper saying that you must only vote on one occasion and I expect people to do that.”

:thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 07, 2019, 01:34:38 PM
Quote from: Mollys Fruity Loops on July 07, 2019, 01:31:05 PM
Tory members sent 'multiple ballots' for leadership vote (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/06/tory-members-multiple-ballots-for-picking-leader)

Quote

Some Conservative members have reportedly been sent more than one ballot paper for the leadership election.

More than 1,000 people could have multiple forms in the contest between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt, according to a BBC report citing a party source.

The broadcaster said those affected could include people who joined their local Conservative party at their home and work address or others who have changed their name.

Hunt’s campaign chairman, the former cabinet minister Sir Patrick McLoughlin, warned party members should only vote once even if they had received two ballot papers. “It’s made very clear on the ballot paper that you are only allowed to vote once. I expect Conservative members to follow that,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.


Hunt says he received 'Back Boris' campaign email without signing up
 Read more
McLoughlin acknowledged the error has “got to be looked at”, but added: “It can’t be clearer, it’s right there on the ballot paper saying that you must only vote on one occasion and I expect people to do that.”

:thinking
It seems like Jeremy Hunt was the only Tory not informed that they needed a scapegoat for tanking Brexit  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 07, 2019, 02:57:47 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on July 07, 2019, 10:51:06 AM
I imagine Québec has laws similar to what we have in France (or have/had in Turkey) ?
Yes
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on July 07, 2019, 03:00:31 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on July 07, 2019, 02:57:47 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on July 07, 2019, 10:51:06 AM
I imagine Québec has laws similar to what we have in France (or have/had in Turkey) ?
Yes

:yeshrug
I know French style aggressive secularism confound a lot of people but it doesn't shock me.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 07, 2019, 03:10:32 PM
My issue is that it seems like a law designed so people can tuck their crosses into their shirts while Muslims get targeted; I don't think its truly a secular motivated law. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Kara on July 07, 2019, 03:11:36 PM
That's true.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Kara on July 07, 2019, 03:13:34 PM
At least Québec can point to a time in living memory when their KKKulture was dominated by a very conservative Catholicism. La république outchea fronting when they ain't even got any Cult of Reason festivals on rotation.

 :cmonson
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on July 07, 2019, 03:27:15 PM
Some of the recent developments are clearly Muslim-related but Christians and Catholics in particular never were treated with kid's gloves on the matter. Public servants having to conform at work and citizens having to provide standardized ID photos without any garment or accessories for official identification (and the corollary of police being able to verify those) are fair to me. France allows for private, religious schools for those who can't back down from their faith to that extent.

The rest of the things like mayors banning "burkinis" or whatever is stupid and prejudiced. I don't like burkas but private citizens are allowed to wear them if they so choose. The problem is often vastly overblown when it get coverage.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Rufus on July 07, 2019, 03:41:14 PM
France can point to strict secularity at least. In Germany you'll find plenty of crosses in classrooms.

Or in the case of Bavaria, an outright mandate to put one on every public building:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43892329

Quote
Premier Markus Söder said crosses should not be seen as religious symbols but as a "clear avowal of our Bavarian identity and Christian values".
:derp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Kara on July 07, 2019, 03:58:49 PM
Without Catholicism Bavaria would be *checks notes* the place that speaks silly German that has silly beer laws and a newspaper that functions as the only political opposition. The worst subnational BfV office too I guess.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on July 07, 2019, 04:20:16 PM
Quote from: Rufus on July 07, 2019, 03:41:14 PM
France can point to strict secularity at least. In Germany you'll find plenty of crosses in classrooms.

Or in the case of Bavaria, an outright mandate to put one on every public building:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43892329

Quote
Premier Markus Söder said crosses should not be seen as religious symbols but as a "clear avowal of our Bavarian identity and Christian values".
:derp

There might be some exceptions in Alsace (clergymen for all Abrahamic denominations are still on public payroll AFAIK).

Edit : I didn't look deep into this but a couple of years ago, imams weren't included in the Alsace-Moselle Concordat dispositions. Some Mosques were financed by public funds in that region on its basis however.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: team filler on July 07, 2019, 05:04:26 PM
https://twitter.com/DavidKlion/status/1147884890110812160
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Kara on July 08, 2019, 02:32:09 AM
Quote from: Kara on July 07, 2019, 03:58:49 PM
Without Catholicism Bavaria would be *checks notes* the place that speaks silly German that has silly beer laws and a newspaper that functions as the only political opposition. The worst subnational BfV office too I guess.

TIL Carl Wurster received the Bavarian Order of Merit in 1955. :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2019, 02:43:19 AM
Quote
Russian presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov explained why Vladimir Putin came to dinner in honor of the G20 leaders with a personal thermocup, Znak.com reports.

“He drinks tea from this thermos,” RIA Novosti quotes Peskov. What kind of tea does the Russian leader drink, his press secretary did not reveal.
:kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on July 08, 2019, 02:44:46 AM
I am 100% certain it's so he doesn't get poisoned by an assassin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2019, 02:48:24 AM
Actually, I think Putin is STRAIGHT EDGE like Trump isn't he?

Maybe they bonded over being germaphobes too. With TRUMP™ Hand Sanitizer.

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Yes, I edited in "STRAIGHT EDGE" because it's better. :doge
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 08, 2019, 08:36:59 AM
Diet coke and tea

Those guys are living it up :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: team filler on July 08, 2019, 01:52:54 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/lvxPqaB.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 08, 2019, 02:24:43 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48912063
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: hungrynoob on July 08, 2019, 07:11:19 PM
There will be no bombing war w/Iran.
Same people who are fucking with NK are doing the same to Iran. Trump made history without war with NK it will be the same for Iran.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 08, 2019, 08:22:45 PM
Oh, is NK giving up their nukes now? I hadn't heard that yet.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on July 08, 2019, 08:31:07 PM
I realized last night a little too late that Iran's best strategy right now is to provoke and march to war. If they continue to limp under the crippling sanctions regime, they'd be critically vulnerable, they risk social unrest, and they wouldn't be able to defend themselves or their interests in the region. They have to play hardball now and either make Trump or Europe blink in the face of the unacceptable costs of a major war in the middle east or do serious harm against their enemies in a bid to survive.

If they do nothing at all, that's a 100% chance of getting fucked into oblivion. If they escalate, there's a small (20%? 33%?) chance they can get some kind of deal back. Something that also contributes to this calculus is Trump revealing in Venezuela that he has no stomach for enforcing a red line or a concrete goal if it means real conflict. That weakens his hand significantly - maybe the Iranians wouldn't have been so emboldened otherwise.

Anyway, if those are your options, you might as well YOLO it. This is what happens when your leadership doesn't understand the incentives they're setting up. Then again, I also read some analysis that Pompeo and Bolton do expect a war to happen and are misleading Trump into thinking his brinkmanship will work. It's just fucked all around.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on July 08, 2019, 08:38:14 PM
Quote from: shosta on July 08, 2019, 08:31:07 PM
I realized last night a little too late that Iran's best strategy right now is to provoke and march to war. If they continue to limp under the crippling sanctions regime, they'd be critically vulnerable, they risk social unrest, and they wouldn't be able to defend themselves or their interests in the region. They have to play hardball now and either make Trump or Europe blink in the face of the unacceptable costs of a major war in the middle east or do serious harm against their enemies in a bid to survive.

If they do nothing at all, that's a 100% chance of getting fucked into oblivion. If they escalate, there's a small (20%? 33%?) chance they can get some kind of deal back. Something that also contributes to this calculus is Trump revealing in Venezuela that he has no stomach for enforcing a red line or a concrete goal if it means real conflict. That weakens his hand significantly - maybe the Iranians wouldn't have been so emboldened otherwise.

Anyway, if those are your options, you might as well YOLO it. This is what happens when your leadership doesn't understand the incentives they're setting up. Then again, I also read some analysis that Pompeo and Bolton do expect a war to happen and are misleading Trump into thinking his brinkmanship will work. It's just fucked all around.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZrsoR6p.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: hungrynoob on July 08, 2019, 08:53:44 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 08, 2019, 08:22:45 PM
Oh, is NK giving up their nukes now? I hadn't heard that yet.

KJU is at odds with bad actors in state. The purpose of the USA NK interaction is to flush them out, it is not an overnight operation.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 08, 2019, 10:16:29 PM
lmao okay
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 09, 2019, 01:38:32 PM
https://twitter.com/isaby/status/1148536683035602945
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: BisMarckie on July 09, 2019, 01:42:21 PM
Don't 👏 try 👏 to 👏 solve 👏 a 👏 complex 👏 issue 👏 with 👏 a 👏 yes/no 👏 referendum 👏 again.

Corbyn suddenly being a staunch defender of the European Union is pretty funny though.  :juche
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Kara on July 09, 2019, 02:38:18 PM
Sounds like he's listening to the mass line. :juche
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 09, 2019, 02:53:02 PM
Quote from: shosta on July 08, 2019, 08:31:07 PM
I realized last night a little too late that Iran's best strategy right now is to provoke and march to war. If they continue to limp under the crippling sanctions regime, they'd be critically vulnerable, they risk social unrest, and they wouldn't be able to defend themselves or their interests in the region. They have to play hardball now and either make Trump or Europe blink in the face of the unacceptable costs of a major war in the middle east or do serious harm against their enemies in a bid to survive.

If they do nothing at all, that's a 100% chance of getting fucked into oblivion. If they escalate, there's a small (20%? 33%?) chance they can get some kind of deal back. Something that also contributes to this calculus is Trump revealing in Venezuela that he has no stomach for enforcing a red line or a concrete goal if it means real conflict. That weakens his hand significantly - maybe the Iranians wouldn't have been so emboldened otherwise.

Anyway, if those are your options, you might as well YOLO it. This is what happens when your leadership doesn't understand the incentives they're setting up. Then again, I also read some analysis that Pompeo and Bolton do expect a war to happen and are misleading Trump into thinking his brinkmanship will work. It's just fucked all around.
Iran is on its last legs anyway. The youngsters want Iran to join in with the rest of the world. Won't be long before student protests etc. break out again.
The regime isn't very popular anymore. The best bet for Iran is to meet up with Trump and give him his TV ad for the 2020 election.

Kim Jun Un is playing along with the show. The mullah's should as well. They just don't get it. All Trump wanted to do was make a new deal.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 09, 2019, 03:20:41 PM
Anyone watching the Boris / Hunt debate?

Q "On the backstop (can you be specific?)":
- Hunt: "We will use 'technology' "
- Boris: "Everyone knows you can solve this away from the border [inaudible]"

Q: "Help my business is in danger":
- Hunt: "Here I have a 10 point printed plan"
- Boris: "I think that in public discourse the consequences of a no deal are exaggerated"



"Before we go to the break, please raise your hand if you're willing to tell the people we will leave the EU by October 31st"
*both raise hands*'

BORIS: "That's the SPIRIT JEREMY!! Could've fooled me!!!"

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Mandark on July 09, 2019, 03:35:52 PM
Quote from: Nintex on July 09, 2019, 02:53:02 PM
Iran is on its last legs anyway.

care to put a date on that?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 10, 2019, 12:43:29 AM
Would you ask your 5 year old if you should quit your job?

Thats what Brexit feels like.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on July 10, 2019, 01:16:10 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/4A7VSeX.png)

Duterte Harry :lawd

Quote
"I have a proposal," Duterte said, according to Business Insider. "If America wants China to leave, and I can't make them...I want the whole 7th Fleet of the armed forces of the United States of America there."

"When they enter the South China Sea, I will enter," he said. "I will ride with the American who goes there first. Then I will tell the Americans, 'Okay, let's bomb everything.'"

Duterte's inflammatory speech was his second in three days, having also been beating the drum for war on Friday. During a speech marking the opening of a rice processing plant in Alangalang on the central island of Leyte, the president said the U.S. is always "pushing us, egging us" towards war with Beijing, "making me the bait," according to the Philippine Daily Inquirer.

"What do you think Filipinos are, earthworms?" he asked. "Now, I say, you bring your planes, your boats to South China Sea. Fire the first shot, and we are just here behind you. Go ahead, let's fight."
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on July 10, 2019, 08:34:13 AM
Aaaand again.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48938691

Quote
German Chancellor Angela Merkel has been seen shaking for a third time in a month.

Video footage shows Mrs Merkel trembling, shaking back and forth alongside Finland's prime minister during a ceremony in Berlin. The trembling lasted over a minute.

After the incident, Mrs Merkel said she was "very well" and there was "no need to worry".

::)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 10, 2019, 01:01:15 PM
(https://nieuws.medialaancdn.be/sites/nieuws.vtm.be/files/styles/larger/public/article/image/2019/07/huntjonhson_0.jpg?itok=xBkiqZgT)

"We're going to negotiate a new Brexit deal!"

Deutsche Bank:
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(https://i2.wp.com/nationandstate.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/2019-07-09-1.png?fit=1106%2C596&ssl=1)
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Merkel:  :shaking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: BisMarckie on July 10, 2019, 01:11:34 PM
You do know that there is a difference between Deutsche Bank and Deutsche Bundesbank, right?

If there was a party running on a platform of invading the Netherlands to cut their internet access, I would vote vor them.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Rufus on July 10, 2019, 01:14:39 PM
FUDtex hears ya, but FUDtex don't care.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 10, 2019, 01:24:38 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48934781

Major: I will seek a judicial review to stop Parliament shutdown
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 10, 2019, 01:27:17 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on July 10, 2019, 01:11:34 PM
You do know that there is a difference between Deutsche Bank and Deutsche Bundesbank, right?

If there was a party running on a platform of invading the Netherlands to cut their internet access, I would vote vor them.
Yes, I'm just summing up the international politics of the day.

Deutsche Bank is the polar opposite of the Bundesbank Sparpolitik.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on July 10, 2019, 02:06:09 PM
Quote from: Raist on July 10, 2019, 08:34:13 AM
Aaaand again.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48938691

Quote
German Chancellor Angela Merkel has been seen shaking for a third time in a month.

Video footage shows Mrs Merkel trembling, shaking back and forth alongside Finland's prime minister during a ceremony in Berlin. The trembling lasted over a minute.

After the incident, Mrs Merkel said she was "very well" and there was "no need to worry".

::)

If it turns out to be something like an illness, can't wait for the conga line of journalists telling us they all knew for years but couldn't say because of raison d'État.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Kara on July 10, 2019, 02:08:09 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 09, 2019, 03:35:52 PM
Quote from: Nintex on July 09, 2019, 02:53:02 PM
Iran is on its last legs anyway.

care to put a date on that?

He predicted the world economy would plunge on Monday. Excited for how he answers this one!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 10, 2019, 02:17:09 PM
I would say a significant political upheaval will materialize around 2024 or so if no outside actors take action.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on July 10, 2019, 02:20:41 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48935351


I think we should follow this example  :mods
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 10, 2019, 02:29:10 PM
Quote
Dutch children consistently rank among the happiest in the world, according to surveys by the UN children's fund Unicef.

Reasons behind this include less academic pressure in tests at an early age and an emphasis on play-based learning.
:heart

But of course the Green Marxists want Children BANNED from the streets and unhappy
Quote
However, Noël Vergunst, a local Green councillor, has defended the decision.

"It's a difficult issue," he told councillors last week. "The noise standard was considerably exceeded, so we had to do something," he added.

Green communist marxism, not even once.  :yuck
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on July 10, 2019, 03:08:46 PM
https://youtu.be/R-CIggoU4VM
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on July 10, 2019, 03:42:31 PM
Four Javelin anti-tank missiles from the French inventory have been seized in one base of Marshall Haftar forces. French Ministry of Defense confirms they are genuine but claims they're non functional and were stocked pending destruction after being issued to a detachment of French soldiers doing intelligence. It is denied they were ever transferred to local forces.

It's not a secret that Haftar had a lot of contacts in France back before being in open defiance of his rivals.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Kara on July 10, 2019, 03:45:34 PM
Quote from: Nintex on July 10, 2019, 02:17:09 PM
I would say a significant political upheaval will materialize around 2024 or so if no outside actors take action.

Sometime in 5 years unless something dramatic happens. :foodcourt
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: curly on July 10, 2019, 03:56:44 PM
Dutch cowards  ::)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 10, 2019, 06:18:55 PM
https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/status/1149060726083866624 (https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/status/1149060726083866624)

oops  :teehee
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Kara on July 10, 2019, 10:02:13 PM
Quote from: Nintex on July 10, 2019, 02:29:10 PM
Green communist marxism, not even once.  :yuck

https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2019/02/23/de-ongemakkelijke-feitentwist-van-thierry-baudet-a3655130

 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Tripon on July 11, 2019, 05:22:37 PM
https://twitter.com/OLayzell/status/1146382379378008065
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Tripon on July 11, 2019, 08:52:16 PM
Quote
When Andrés Manuel López Obrador triumphed one year ago, it was unclear whether Mexico had elected the revolutionary populist from the campaign trail, or the more pragmatic figure from his tenure as mayor of Mexico City. We may now have the answer.

The latest: Finance Minister Carlos Urzúa excoriated the leftist president on Tuesday, penning a resignation letter that accused him of failing to base policy on evidence and empowering ideologues over experts.

Between the lines: “Hope for pragmatism is fading,” says Shannon O’Neil of the Council on Foreign Relations. “These resignations show there's little hope for those who want change within the boundaries of checks and balances and democratic institutions.”

“After he lost two elections [in 2006 and 2012] he thought were stolen, I think that pragmatism went away,” she says.
"He did advertise this,” says Roberta Jacobson, who served as U.S. ambassador to Mexico from 2016-2018. “He's doing what he said he was going to do. He is the decider, he's not an institutionalist."

“Everything that blocks his decision-making has to be chucked over the side,” she adds, contending that the president’s efforts to undermine regulators and the civil service are leading to a "death of expertise."
“The tragic thing about López Obrador — and I’m still hoping he’ll succeed — is his diagnosis of the problems in Mexico was absolutely accurate. But his programs for fixing the problems are absolutely wrong."
Yes, but: While investors and experts are increasingly wary, López Obrador boasts approval ratings above 60% nationwide.

Everything is driven by the force of his personality, which is on display daily in early morning press conferences. Aides rarely speak, and he often contradicts them when they do.

But there’s one person López Obrador has scrupulously avoided confrontation with. On May 30, President Trump said he’d hit Mexico with tariffs that would escalate “until the Illegal Immigration problem is remedied.”
López Obrador immediately sought to defuse tensions, and eventually agreed to send 6,000 national guard members to the border with Guatemala, among other steps, to gain a reprieve.
The big picture: Jacobson says López Obrador told her he’d do everything possible to maintain a positive relationship with the U.S., “and he has continued to abide by that, almost beyond reason.”

Where things stand: Trump tweeted today that Mexico “is doing great at the Border.” But appeasing a president who regularly attacks your country, and could still reverse course with an election looming, is politically risky.

It’s also expensive. López Obrador didn’t get any financial assistance from the U.S. for the immigration offensive, O’Neil notes.
It’s just one case of his ambitious and costly plans running up against fiscal reality. And while his base of 25-30% will stand by him indefinitely, the rest of the country won’t be so patient, O’Neil says.
"He's going to face an economic and fiscal crisis and that's when I think that other 25-30% might go away."
What to watch: Jacobson agrees that “a train-wreck may be coming." She says we might find out then whether López Obrador has retained his pragmatic streak.

“He’s a very good politician. If he has to become more flexible, he’ll probably be able to convince people, ‘this is what I wanted all along.’”

https://www.axios.com/andres-maneuel-lopez-obrador-populist-mexico-a95a7336-655b-4adf-af3b-b6be6a5d3c1f.html

Neo Liberals are so mad that their shit isn't working anymore.  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2019, 09:26:12 PM
Quote from: https://apnews.com/0e998ebedbd64f6d868a3fa570ed1f6c
RIO DE JANEIRO (AP) — Several weeks after publishing explosive reports about a key member of Brazil’s far-right government, U.S. journalist Glenn Greenwald was called before a congressional committee to face hostile questions.

“Who should be judged, convicted and in prison is the journalist!” shouted congresswoman Katia Sastre, an ally of President Jair Bolsonaro.

And by some accounts that wasn’t an empty threat: A conservative website reported that federal police had requested that financial regulators investigate Greenwald’s finances. The Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist and his Brazilian husband also say they have been receiving detailed death threats, calls for his deportation and homophobic comments in an increasingly hostile political environment.

...

During the June 25 hearing at the chamber’s Human Rights and Minorities Commission, lawmaker Carla Zambelli told Greenwald: “If you don’t prove this information, it is fake and you’re a liar. If it’s true, then you’re a criminal because you hacked someone’s phone.”

Greenwald responded: “The government’s party evidently has a lot of confusion about the journalism we did.”

...

Greenwald, who lives in Rio de Janeiro, is now accompanied by private security guards and says he and other staff at The Intercept have received sophisticated, detailed death threats that sometimes include private personal information.

..

At recent nationwide demonstrations, backers of Bolsonaro and Moro repeatedly denounced Greenwald — often by focusing on his sexuality and his husband, leftist Brazilian congressman David Miranda. Bolsonaro himself has famously said that he would rather have a dead son than a gay son.

“GlennGreenwald, get out of Brazil! You are disgusting,” read one sign. An online campaign with the hashtag #DeportGlennGreenwald was popular on Brazilian Twitter.

Pro-Bolsonaro members of Brazil’s congress have called for Greenwald’s imprisonment and deportation.
THANKS LIBERAL TRUCKERS :maf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: jorma on July 13, 2019, 12:02:23 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 12, 2019, 09:26:12 PM
Quote from: https://apnews.com/0e998ebedbd64f6d868a3fa570ed1f6c
RIO DE JANEIRO (AP) — Several weeks after publishing explosive reports about a key member of Brazil’s far-right government, U.S. journalist Glenn Greenwald was called before a congressional committee to face hostile questions.

“Who should be judged, convicted and in prison is the journalist!” shouted congresswoman Katia Sastre, an ally of President Jair Bolsonaro.

And by some accounts that wasn’t an empty threat: A conservative website reported that federal police had requested that financial regulators investigate Greenwald’s finances. The Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist and his Brazilian husband also say they have been receiving detailed death threats, calls for his deportation and homophobic comments in an increasingly hostile political environment.

...

During the June 25 hearing at the chamber’s Human Rights and Minorities Commission, lawmaker Carla Zambelli told Greenwald: “If you don’t prove this information, it is fake and you’re a liar. If it’s true, then you’re a criminal because you hacked someone’s phone.”

Greenwald responded: “The government’s party evidently has a lot of confusion about the journalism we did.”

...

Greenwald, who lives in Rio de Janeiro, is now accompanied by private security guards and says he and other staff at The Intercept have received sophisticated, detailed death threats that sometimes include private personal information.

..

At recent nationwide demonstrations, backers of Bolsonaro and Moro repeatedly denounced Greenwald — often by focusing on his sexuality and his husband, leftist Brazilian congressman David Miranda. Bolsonaro himself has famously said that he would rather have a dead son than a gay son.

“GlennGreenwald, get out of Brazil! You are disgusting,” read one sign. An online campaign with the hashtag #DeportGlennGreenwald was popular on Brazilian Twitter.

Pro-Bolsonaro members of Brazil’s congress have called for Greenwald’s imprisonment and deportation.
THANKS LIBERAL TRUCKERS :maf

meanwhile on resetera: Wow, i guess we were wrong about him all this time! Bolsonaro redeemed!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 13, 2019, 01:36:35 PM
Nobody:

Macron:

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1150093166617473024 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1150093166617473024)

 :kermit


LMAO pretending this is democratic in any way

https://twitter.com/Europarl_EN/status/1149645766266241026 (https://twitter.com/Europarl_EN/status/1149645766266241026)

The process to vote for the single candidate that wasn't even in the running is very transparent.  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 13, 2019, 01:43:00 PM
Wonder who they will surrender the moon too?  Also, I now want an alt-history book with Vichy Moon France.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on July 13, 2019, 02:19:38 PM
Quote from: Nintex on July 13, 2019, 01:36:35 PM
Nobody:

Macron:

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1150093166617473024 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1150093166617473024)

 :kermit


LMAO pretending this is democratic in any way

https://twitter.com/Europarl_EN/status/1149645766266241026 (https://twitter.com/Europarl_EN/status/1149645766266241026)

The process to vote for the single candidate that wasn't even in the running is very transparent.  :lol


Look at those democratically elected (dick)heads of states present a candidate to the democratically elected parliament, for her to be scrutinized on her program, which may or may not get her to be elected, in which case those democratically elected heads of state motherfuckers have to go back to the drawing board.

It's so undemocratic, it makes me fucking sick.


Meanwhile, in the land of true democracy and taking back control, two clowns are running for the highest office, which will be decided by party members only.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Tripon on July 13, 2019, 02:25:16 PM
Quote from: Raist on July 13, 2019, 02:19:38 PM
Quote from: Nintex on July 13, 2019, 01:36:35 PM
Nobody:

Macron:

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1150093166617473024 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1150093166617473024)

 :kermit


LMAO pretending this is democratic in any way

https://twitter.com/Europarl_EN/status/1149645766266241026 (https://twitter.com/Europarl_EN/status/1149645766266241026)

The process to vote for the single candidate that wasn't even in the running is very transparent.  :lol


Look at those democratically elected (dick)heads of states present a candidate to the democratically elected parliament, for her to be scrutinized on her program, which may or may not get her to be elected, in which case those democratically elected heads of state motherfuckers have to go back to the drawing board.

It's so undemocratic, it makes me fucking sick.


Meanwhile, in the land of true democracy and taking back control, two clowns are running for the highest office, which will be decided by party members only.

What's the plan if and when the UK has to negotiate all the trade deals that were under the EU's control? Just the U.S. and UK alone is going to take years, and the UK is supposed to do that with every individual country?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on July 13, 2019, 02:29:40 PM
Quote from: Tripon on July 13, 2019, 02:25:16 PM
What's the plan if and when the UK has to negotiate all the trade deals that were under the EU's control? Just the U.S. and UK alone is going to take years, and the UK is supposed to do that with every individual country?

I'm sure Boris will sort something out.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 13, 2019, 03:05:29 PM
Quote from: Raist on July 13, 2019, 02:29:40 PM
Quote from: Tripon on July 13, 2019, 02:25:16 PM
What's the plan if and when the UK has to negotiate all the trade deals that were under the EU's control? Just the U.S. and UK alone is going to take years, and the UK is supposed to do that with every individual country?

I'm sure Boris will sort something out.
Why the defeatism? Why the negativity?

https://twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1149748802196320258 (https://twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1149748802196320258)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on July 13, 2019, 04:25:43 PM
A new challenger for the title of "Most distinguished mentally-challenged statement made on TV about Brexit" appears.

https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1149671033646927872
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on July 13, 2019, 07:06:04 PM
I guess that "let's fuck the Irish over" habit dies hard. :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 13, 2019, 07:15:15 PM
Yasssss send Boris Johnson to Dublin to make a deal.  8)

Remember when the EU said to the UK not to dick around with the delay.
Guess what, since March the two major parties have been busy with:
- Coming up with reasons to make Boris Johnson PM (Tories)
- Deciding their position on Brexit (Labour)

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Tripon on July 13, 2019, 08:08:03 PM
Quote from: Nintex on July 13, 2019, 07:15:15 PM
Yasssss send Boris Johnson to Dublin to make a deal.  8)

Remember when the EU said to the UK not to dick around with the delay.
Guess what, since March the two major parties have been busy with:
- Coming up with reasons to make Boris Johnson PM (Tories)
- Deciding their position on Brexit (Labour)

 :lol

Also, working hard to portray Corbyn and Labour as anti-semitic.

https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1150132173166534656

Bonus points with Jake Tapper retweeting this without any context of internal British politics. The Brits must love Americans carrying their water unironically.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 13, 2019, 08:10:44 PM
Someone printed 4chan, wrote: "JEREMY CORBYN" on it and send it to Timothy.  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Kara on July 13, 2019, 11:15:28 PM
Quote from: Raist on July 13, 2019, 02:19:38 PM
Look at those democratically elected (dick)heads of states present a candidate to the democratically elected parliament, for her to be scrutinized on her program, which may or may not get her to be elected, in which case those democratically elected heads of state motherfuckers have to go back to the drawing board.

It's so undemocratic, it makes me fucking sick.


Meanwhile, in the land of true democracy and taking back control, two clowns are running for the highest office, which will be decided by party members only.

All good points, but it's also worth mentioning that the members of the Dutch Senate aren't directly elected.

And unlike other countries with a similarly undemocratic system, the Dutch Senate can actually reject legislation.

Nintex going to Nintex. :sabu
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on July 15, 2019, 12:29:31 AM
French government is making noise they might make age verification more stringent for porn websites though it's pretty vague how they'll do that. In recent years having something similar to the recently established UK system or somehow requesting people to enter a credit card number was mentioned but it never went anywhere.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: BisMarckie on July 15, 2019, 11:55:02 AM
Sure, let's have a huge database with credit card numbers and other sensitive information.
What could go wrong?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on July 15, 2019, 12:34:53 PM
Quote from: Raist on July 13, 2019, 04:25:43 PM
A new challenger for the title of "Most distinguished mentally-challenged fellowed statement made on TV about Brexit" appears.

https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1149671033646927872


Shit, competition getting fierce.


https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/status/1150475669677268992


https://twitter.com/sturdyAlex/status/1150735501625876480
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Tripon on July 16, 2019, 12:13:09 AM
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1150835579925540864

What's the percentage of the IRA coming back if the backstop goes away?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 16, 2019, 01:23:24 PM
https://twitter.com/TheProgressives/status/1151157564584923137 (https://twitter.com/TheProgressives/status/1151157564584923137)

I don't know why Democratic Socialists and Labour parties keep losing elections?

It boggles the mind  ???

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1151070180405063680 (https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1151070180405063680)
https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1151057364826624000 (https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1151057364826624000)

I know Trump spooked them but could the reptilian shape shifters at least have put some effort in?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Rufus on July 16, 2019, 03:54:02 PM
Swedish Antifa are more hands-on, so to speak. :doge

No assassinations though, as far as I know, so that's nice.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Kara on July 16, 2019, 04:08:43 PM
I critically support the Antifa Bavarian police officers. ACAB means All Cops Are Bayerische. ✊
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Rufus on July 16, 2019, 04:15:41 PM
Quote from: Kara on July 16, 2019, 04:08:43 PM
I critically support the Antifa Bavarian police officers. ACAB means All Cops Are Bayerische. ✊
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYA4Tk3lZ2c
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on July 17, 2019, 03:56:13 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/dwcb0Rr.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/cwkwoUQ.png?2)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: jorma on July 17, 2019, 04:28:19 AM
Quote from: Esch on July 16, 2019, 03:23:32 PM
I remember forums poster jorma informing me that European antifa was indistinguishable from their fascist counterparts. I wonder if they have a giant missile :ohhh

nothing i've i said about them is wrong, although i admit my personal experiences might be outdated now since i don't move about in those circles these days
i doubt they've mellowed out since then though

and i'm pretty sure you'd agree with me if you were a leftie trying to exclude them from your rallies because you don't want the violence they crave. you might even be able to see just how "antifascist" their intimidation tactics are when deployed towards their own side.







Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: BisMarckie on July 17, 2019, 04:39:42 AM
We got rid of Von der Leyen :rejoice
AKK now minister of defence which is a good job to end her career. :rejoice


Next candidate of the CDU Friedrich Merz. :goty
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on July 17, 2019, 04:26:03 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49015116

Quote
Tourists could face a "shock" this summer when they travel abroad according to foreign currency experts.

Those that buy euros at the airport can expect to receive around 98 euro cents for their pound. Better rates can be found by buying in advance, with the Post Office offering €1.0819.

The comments section is a goldmine :rejoice

Quote
A weaker pound means cheaper exports, which boosts the economy. So what if a drink costs €0.06 extra at the bar on your 2 week holiday. It’s good for jobs in manufacturing, encourages more tourists to visit and increases GDP.

If the remainers hadn’t talked the UK down so much, the markets would have more confidence in the country. They disrespect democracy and their country.

Quote
If you look at the euro~pound you will see it was the same in 2011 and many other years before and after.
Load of drama over nothing as per usual !!

Quote
If you have enough money to go on holiday then you have enough money period. Stop being so tight and complaining about an extra .50p for a beer.

Quote
Great for tourist to Britain who then spend money in UK which is good for job creation and the wider economy
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on July 18, 2019, 12:17:50 AM
Wondering how soon before these HK protestors start getting fucked up. Chinese patience running thin, but insist troops are not an option. Situation has already become dangerous for police.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: OnlyRegret on July 18, 2019, 06:45:27 PM
Canadian politics will be relevant soon, for a brief window.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on July 19, 2019, 12:07:08 PM
You go Boris, tell 'em!

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1151598076374786049


spoiler (click to show/hide)
Just two minor issues:

- this regulation was implemented by the UK, not the EU.

- the EU has no control whatsoever over the Isle of Man, which is an independent British Crown dependency.
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on July 19, 2019, 12:52:27 PM
At first I misread and thought it was a kippa.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Occam on July 19, 2019, 11:40:31 PM
Quote
German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Friday condemned President Donald Trump's xenophobic tweets against four minority Democratic congresswomen, saying the US leader's attacks "go against what makes America great."

"I firmly distance myself from (the attacks) and I feel solidarity towards" the women, she told journalists.

"In my view, the strength of America lies in that people from different (origins) contributed to what makes the country great."

Trump on Sunday urged a group of four progressive Democratic congresswomen of colour -- all American citizens and three of them US-born -- to "go back" to their countries of origin.

Despite a domestic uproar over the comments which were deemed "racist" by the House of Representatives, Trump repeatedly renewed his attack.

"If you're not happy here, you can leave ... This is about love for America, certain people hate our country," he tweeted on Tuesday, while repeating the same message to a rally on Wednesday.

International condemnation has rained down over the comments, with British Prime Minister Theresa May calling them "completely unacceptable" and New Zealand's leader Jacinda Ardern saying she "completely and utterly" disagrees with him.

While usually refraining from commenting on other countries' domestic politics, Merkel on Friday also had markedly sharp words about Trump's latest attacks.

Questions over racism are particularly sensitive in Germany given its Nazi past, and the government routinely speaks out forcefully in favour of tolerance and diversity.

While Merkel had shared a visibly warm relationship with former US president Barack Obama, her contact with Trump has been formal and firm.

Setting the tone from the start, Merkel in her first phone call with Trump after he took office offered cooperation, but also reminded him of democratic values.

That phone call led some commentators to suggest she had taken on the mantle of the "leader of the free world", a title usually reserved for US presidents.

https://www.wionews.com/world/german-chancellor-angela-merkel-says-trump-tweets-go-against-what-makes-america-great-237130

I think this may be the strongest ever direct criticism by Merkel against a foreign head of state. Well done, Donald.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on July 20, 2019, 03:43:00 AM
Still relevant somehow  :nsfw

https://youtu.be/SrUDftDkH3E
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 20, 2019, 07:01:22 AM
Quote from: Occam on July 19, 2019, 11:40:31 PM
I think this may be the strongest ever direct criticism by Merkel against a foreign head of state. Well done, Donald.
And just 4 days until the new season starts and we turn this fucker op to 11  :hyper

(https://www.noted.co.nz/media/26966/boris-johnson.jpg?width=800)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on July 20, 2019, 11:32:09 AM
#LeBrexitEnChansons

https://youtu.be/Sa7jvET903s

Pretty banging tune mate.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Rufus on July 20, 2019, 11:55:01 AM
How about this? 8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu_jvIZRrjY

Swedish EBM with lyrics in broken German. Oh! :heart
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on July 20, 2019, 01:23:03 PM
https://youtu.be/9coQGKqyxgA
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on July 21, 2019, 02:11:43 AM
https://thediplomat.com/2019/07/the-imf-takeover-of-pakistan/

Pakistan really is basketcase. Cue the wint tweet about candles.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: OnlyRegret on July 21, 2019, 02:41:39 PM
fuck the IMF
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on July 21, 2019, 02:46:06 PM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on July 21, 2019, 02:41:39 PM
fuck the IMF

I thought Fallout was OK despite doing poor with Greek audiences.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 21, 2019, 02:59:16 PM
Quote
Even before the budget was passed, the government had already implemented steps to enhance taxation, with hikes in the price of petrol and electricity. Government officials confirm that further hikes are expected next month.
Great for political stability

Quote
“As part of the package, the IMF installed its own ‘intelligent’ people on key posts. Not only does it serve the IMF’s purpose of increasing its stranglehold over the country, it reflects a total lack of confidence in PTI’s capacity to do the job,” Tariq added. PTI refers to Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf, the current ruling party of the country.
That worked out really well for Greece.

I'm not really into calling people Nazi's but the IMF is probably the closest we have in our modern world to a reboot of the SS.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: OnlyRegret on July 21, 2019, 03:14:32 PM
Quote from: Nintex on July 21, 2019, 02:59:16 PM
Quote
Even before the budget was passed, the government had already implemented steps to enhance taxation, with hikes in the price of petrol and electricity. Government officials confirm that further hikes are expected next month.
Great for political stability

Quote
“As part of the package, the IMF installed its own ‘intelligent’ people on key posts. Not only does it serve the IMF’s purpose of increasing its stranglehold over the country, it reflects a total lack of confidence in PTI’s capacity to do the job,” Tariq added. PTI refers to Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf, the current ruling party of the country.
That worked out really well for Greece.

I'm not really into calling people Nazi's but the IMF is probably the closest we have in our modern world to a reboot of the SS.

Nazi? Not really.
It functions as what people refer to as "globalists". Undermining sovereign nations and eroding their independence to make them easier taking by multinationals.
Essentially paving new frontier for western business to expand into and take advantage of. The IMF caveats serve to aid their friends not the countries.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Rufus on July 21, 2019, 09:13:15 PM
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v41/n14/adam-tooze/which-is-worse
Quote
Which is worse?
Adam Tooze

This year is both the 70th anniversary of the formation of the Federal Republic of Germany and the 30th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall. For years Germany has been thought of as both the pace-setter and the anchor of European politics. But in the summer of 2019, the political scene in Berlin is in greater flux than at any time since the Second World War.

The right-wing Alternative für Deutschland, founded in April 2013 in reaction to the Eurozone crisis, surged into the Bundestag in the 2017 election with 12.6 per cent of the vote. The Social Democratic Party scored only 20.5 per cent – a defeat of historic proportions. The European elections on 26 May delivered an even more crushing blow, as the SPD collapsed to only 15.8 per cent. In current polls the party is trailing in fourth place with barely more than 10 per cent of the popular vote. Twenty years ago, in their last decisive electoral victory, they managed 40 per cent. Might the SPD be about to follow the French Socialist party into oblivion?

rest of the article, in case the paywall comes up
The opening of this confusing new era in German politics is commonly dated to 2015. Russia’s annexation of Crimea divided both the German public and the political class. Germany’s identity in Europe was put in question by the bruising confrontation with the left-wing Syriza government in Greece: was Germany now the Eurozone’s brutal enforcer, or a cash cow to be milked by feckless Southerners? But it was the escalating refugee crisis, culminating in Angela Merkel’s decision to open the borders over the weekend of 5 and 6 September 2015, that really split the country. Fully a third of Germans are thought to have contributed to refugee relief, through donations, volunteering or opening their homes. Merkel, who had previously avoided the refugee question, recast herself as the global champion of Willkommenskultur. The backlash from the right was savage. Merkel was made the object of often obscene nationalist vilification.

There is no consensus about what happened behind the scenes in September 2015. The most compelling account is Die Getriebenen by Robin Alexander, a correspondent for the conservative paper Die Welt. He was given intimate access to Merkel’s entourage, and offers an unsparing portrait of the German political class as it struggled to cope with the crisis, largely by refusing to take responsibility. The security services were appalled that at the last minute they were denied the authority to implement a plan to close the German border. Pro-AfD sentiment appears to be widespread in the police. In the autumn of 2018, Merkel was forced to sack Hans-Georg Maaßen as head of the internal security service (Verfassungsschutz) after he tried to discredit disturbing video evidence of racist violence in the East German town of Chemnitz.

Supporters of the AfD have two common denominators: hostility to mass immigration and hostility to Merkel. This is true in both eastern and western Germany, and across all social classes. But the AfD vote is highly concentrated in both geographical and social terms. It is most common in the former GDR, particularly in the eastern regions of Saxony and southern Brandenburg, and highest among those classified as ‘precarious’, close to 30 per cent of whom support the party. As in other countries, xenophobia in Germany is strongly correlated with low levels of education. It is also prevalent among those dependent on underfunded public services. This entanglement of racism and social disadvantage is compounded by Germany’s divided history and the incomplete process of unification.

Unemployment and poverty rates are noticeably higher in the east than in the west. Though the gap has closed, wages are substantially lower in the east and the roots of prosperity are shallow. Across much of eastern Germany, there is a truculent nationalism, directed both against foreigners and against the patronising liberalism of the ‘Wessies’. The declining provincial towns and housing estates of the former East have played host to successive waves of right-wing mobilisation, from mob assaults on asylum dormitories to ‘national befreite Zonen’ (liberated national zones), the electoral successes of the neo-Nazi NPD in the early 2000s and the founding of the anti-Islamic Pegida in Dresden in 2014. In its bastions in eastern Germany – Brandenburg, Thuringia and Saxony – the AfD is broadening its appeal to encompass 20 per cent and more of the electorate.

There are calls for truth and reconciliation-style investigations into the activities of the Treuhand, the corruption-riddled agency that pushed through the disastrous privatisation of the East German economy in the early 1990s. The results would no doubt be interesting. But it would be simplistic to blame social distress on unification alone. The collapse of the industrial base across the former GDR was part of a broader process of deindustrialisation that affected western Germany as well, and was compounded by the tough new system of welfare and labour market regulation, known as Agenda 2010, that was introduced between 2003 and 2005. Its most notorious element is the means-tested basic welfare system known as Hartz IV, which four million German households rely on. The party that masterminded the changes and forced them through against popular protest was the SPD. Fifteen years later it is still struggling to come to terms with the social and political upheaval it unleashed.

The SPD is no ordinary political party. Since its founding in 1863, from Bismarck to the First World War, through the Weimar Republic and the Third Reich, the SPD has stood for a vision of a better, more democratic and socially just Germany. Its status as a national institution is such that both Merkel and the president of Germany attended its 150th anniversary celebrations in 2013. In its long and chequered history the SPD has faced repeated challenges, chronicled in Franz Walter’s history from 2009, recently reissued in an updated edition. Most notoriously, during the Weimar Republic, divisions between social democrats and communists helped to open the door to Hitler. In the Cold War those conflicts were stifled. The West German Communist Party was outlawed in 1956, its assets impounded and its members pursued through the courts. Unlike in Italy or France, Germany’s social democrats had no rivals on the left. When Willy Brandt took office in 1969 as the first postwar SPD chancellor, he did so in coalition with the liberal, free-market FDP.

The coalition governments of Brandt and Helmut Schmidt changed the face of the Federal Republic. Under the slogan of Ostpolitik, they negotiated a new relationship with Eastern Europe. Amid the affluence created by the economic miracle, they delivered on the promise of the social democratic welfare state: pensions, education and training for all, the liberalisation of abortion regulations and divorce. The generation of activists that joined the party in the 1960s and 1970s shaped it down to the recent past. But as Walter tells the story, it was also in the 1970s that the SPD as its founders conceived it began to die. The industrial economy plateaued, dissolving the closed worlds of industrial work that were the SPD’s main base. Progressive politics was increasingly a preoccupation of public sector workers, salaried white collar employees and new social movements. The challenge for the SPD was to integrate its disparate interests with what remained of its traditional base.

Divisions in the SPD, as much as pressure from the opposition, put paid to Schmidt’s government in 1982. The FDP swapped allegiance and the Christian Democrats’ Helmut Kohl began his 16-year stint as chancellor. It was the last hurrah of the Federal Republic’s original three-party system. Ominously for the SPD, a new constituency was emerging to challenge its monopoly on the left. The technocratic centrism of Schmidt’s government had alienated the ecological and anti-nuclear movements of the 1970s. Rather than struggling to make themselves heard in the SPD, the new left formed their own party: the Greens.

The Greens took the youth vote and the ’68ers from the SPD, but they also poached a growing share of college-educated voters from the FDP. That narrowed the margin of the centre-right CDU-FDP coalition and opened the possibility of a new progressive alliance. The first Red-Green coalition took office in Hesse in 1985. In shabby trainers, Joschka Fischer, once a street-fighter of the hard left, was sworn in as Hesse’s environment minister. By the end of the 1980s, with the pugnacious Oskar Lafontaine, the prime minister of Saarland, in the vanguard, a new breed of SPD-led ecosocialists was on the march.

Germany’s Red-Green future was deferred by the collapse of the Soviet Union. The fall of the Wall scrambled the political expectations of the 1980s. Kohl revelled in the opportunity to write himself into the history books, pushing through in short order both reunification and the Maastricht Treaty, but the Greens and the SPD were caught on the wrong side of an unexpected wave of national enthusiasm. The Greens were openly sceptical about unification, aligning themselves with the movement which hoped to uphold a democratised form of socialism in a reformed GDR. Lafontaine addressed the hundreds of thousands of Germans flooding over the border as though they were foreign asylum seekers, not fellow citizens. Voters in the former East were not forgiving.

The prospect of reunification at first horrified the CDU’s electoral strategists. They assumed that working-class post-communists in eastern Germany would vote solidly for the SPD. The reverse was the case. Kohl’s party rapidly built new fiefdoms there, but the SPD struggled to re-establish itself even in regions like Saxony that had once been social democratic heartlands. In 1997, of the SPD’s 776,000 members, barely 26,000 were in the former East. In the 2017 Bundestag elections, the SPD came fourth in every state in the east other than Brandenburg and Berlin. The western bias is even more pronounced in the case of the Greens. It is not by accident that the AfD has chosen to position itself as Germany’s only party of climate change denial. Bashing the Greens plays well in the mining regions of the east. In large parts of the former GDR in the 1990s, as unemployment surged towards 20 per cent, the main force on the left was neither the Greens nor the SPD, but the post-communist PDS.

The historic shock of 1989 reset the political clock. But as Walter’s history of the SPD shows, it did not stop the broad-based social and cultural modernisation of West Germany begun in the 1960s and 1970s. In 1998, after an election campaign led by a Clinton-inspired marketing team, the baby boomers of the SPD came roaring back. Kohl’s exhausted government was defeated by the SPD, led by Gerhard Schröder, the flamboyant, bon vivant prime minister of Lower Saxony, who campaigned on a platform of ‘innovation’.

For the first time, the Red-Green coalition headed by Schröder brought a complete change in governing parties. But how would it balance its commitments to social justice and modernisation? It delivered major changes to citizenship law, enabling dual citizenship for millions of Turkish-Germans. It continued and deepened Germany’s reckoning with its Nazi past, establishing new lieux de mémoire, such as the Memorial to the Murdered Jews of Europe in the centre of Berlin, and settling the forced labour compensation suit. Both were political high-wire acts, but at least the direction of travel was clear. The economic and financial legacies of reunification posed far more difficult choices. At its peak, in 2005, German unemployment exceeded five million, or 12 per cent of the workforce.

Lafontaine as finance minister wanted Germany to respond with a co-ordinated Keynesian programme of Europe-wide reflation. But he crashed out of the government within months of taking office. Schröder was only too pleased to replace his left-wing rival with Hans Eichel, a tough austerian determined to prioritise fiscal sustainability over work creation. According to Gregor Schöllgen’s authorised biography, Schröder had already begun articulating a more stripped down vision of Germany’s capacious welfare state during his time as prime minister of Lower Saxony. In 1999 he wrote a Third Way-style manifesto with Tony Blair. It was taken rather more seriously in Berlin than it was in London and provoked howls of indignation from SPD members. But though Schröder may have given it the green light, the decisive push for Agenda 2010, as Anke Hassel and Christof Schiller showed in Der Fall Hartz IV (2010), came from local government and the insurance and labour market agencies struggling to cope with crisis levels of unemployment.

The Kohl government had sought to contain the impact of unification on the Federal budget by decentralising the costs, putting huge strains on social insurance funds and local government. Schröder’s staff, led by Frank-Walter Steinmeier, later foreign minister and now president of Germany, worked with think tanks such as the Bertelsmann Stiftung, and labour experts such as Peter Hartz (the later disgraced HR boss of VW), to devise a new model of labour market management and welfare.

As Schöllgen’s biography reveals, in the minds of Schröder and his entourage, this programme of reforms became linked over the winter of 2002-3 with its opposition to war in Iraq. While Fischer, now foreign minister, sparred with Donald Rumsfeld, Schröder began work on a major statement of his government’s agenda. On the morning of 14 March 2003, he made a ninety-minute speech to the Bundestag that explicitly connected his foreign policy to his domestic agenda. Under the title of ‘Mut zum Frieden und Mut zur Veränderung’ (‘Courage for Peace and Courage for Change’), Schröder called both for independence in foreign policy and for a drastic reorganisation of the balance between public services and private initiative: ‘We will cut state services, promote individual responsibility and demand more personal performance from every individual.’

In practice this weird rhetorical conflation of domestic and foreign policy boiled down to Agenda 2010, a package of legal and regulatory changes which significantly benefited employers, loosening regulations on start-ups, reducing workers’ protection against dismissal and cutting employer contributions to social security. Most controversial, it ended Germany’s hierarchical social welfare system, which classified workers by income and skill level, and matched benefits and job offers to their pre-existing status. From now on, unemployment benefit would be keyed to previous income for just 12 months. The end of the line for all benefit recipients would be Hartz IV, set in 2005 at €374 per month (now €424). To avoid falling to that miserable level, highly skilled unemployed workers would be expected to accept lower-skilled positions. Badly paid ‘mini jobs’ to supplement Hartz IV were encouraged. As Hassel and Schiller show, of all the welfare state reform programmes adopted in the EU before the Eurozone crisis, Agenda 2010 was the most far-reaching and most abrupt. At midnight on 1 January 2005, Germany abandoned the heritage of the Bismarckian welfare state and adopted a labour market and welfare model closer to that of the Scandinavian countries or the UK.

The shock was spectacular. In anticipation of the changes, a protest wave spread across Germany. After a giant rally in Berlin on 1 November 2003, tens of thousands joined regular ‘Monday marches’ against Hartz IV – echoing the demonstrations that had heralded the end of the GDR regime. At the high point of the nationwide movement on 30 August 2004, 200,000 people demonstrated in two hundred towns and cities across Germany. The trade unions, Der Spiegel and even the tabloid Bild-Zeitung joined the campaign. It isn’t surprising that ten years later a book such as Oliver Nachtwey’s Germany’s Hidden Crisis could be a bestseller there. The debate over Agenda 2010 defines modern Germany, much as Thatcherism once did in the UK.

Supporters of Agenda 2010, who are given a fairer hearing by Hassel and Schiller than by Nachtwey, claim that it turned Germany around. Unlike anywhere else in Europe, unemployment in Germany has fallen almost continuously since 2005. The long-term unemployment rate, which once stood at 6 per cent, is now down to 1.3 per cent. Meanwhile, the employment rate has surged from 64 per cent of the working-age population in 2004 to more than 76 per cent. The German economy, which in the late 1990s was labelled the sick man of Europe, has re-emerged as its dominant force.

For Agenda 2010’s critics, these are indices not of success but of what Nachtwey calls ‘regressive modernisation’. Employment rates may have increased but working conditions for millions have deteriorated. German workplaces are now hierarchically divided between those who still enjoy the privileges of collective labour contracts and an army of flexible workers who come and go as their temp agencies require. By 2014, Germany’s old industrial relations model – collective bargaining and co-determination – covered only 28 per cent of workers in western Germany and half that number in the east.

The result is a sharp increase in inequality, which has been tracked by the Deutsches Institut für Wirtschaftsforschung. The think tank’s president, Marcel Fratzscher, wrote a hard-hitting book on the subject in 2016. Like other capitalist societies, Germany has always had high levels of wealth and income inequality. There isn’t much social mobility. The chances of the children of the poorly educated gaining higher qualifications than their parents are lower in Germany than in most other rich countries. But in the late 1990s this inequality intensified. While profits, dividends and interest surged by 40 per cent between 2000 and 2007, real wages fell, with the biggest declines at the bottom of the wage pyramid. Germany’s tax and benefit system mitigates the inequality, but is hampered by high indirect tax rates and social insurance contribution systems, which bear most heavily on lower incomes. Agenda 2010 with its dramatic equalisation of benefits at a minimal level, made the problem worse. As Fratzscher concludes, Germany remains a welfare state, but no longer one that confers confidence or stability.

Neither Nachtwey nor Fratzscher would claim that this story of growing inequality was peculiar to Germany. Familiar too is the story of declining electoral participation among those at the bottom of the pile, which eats away at the SPD vote. People on lower incomes who do vote have increasingly dissociated themselves from the left, choosing instead the CDU or, now, the AfD. But what is distinctive in Germany is the way these sociological shifts are compounded by party politics.

In reaction to the neoliberal turn of the Red-Green government, the German left split once again. Amid the protests of 2004-5, as SPD members returned their membership cards en masse, Lafontaine sensed his chance for a comeback. When Schröder called snap elections in 2005, Lafontaine placed himself at the head of the anti-Hartz IV mobilisation and arranged a shotgun wedding with the post-communists of the PDS. The result, in 2007, was Die Linke. With its solid base in the east and highly mobilised constituency in the west, the new party vaulted into the Bundestag and once again changed the coalition arithmetic. At the federal level, a progressive government now required a three-party coalition of the SPD, the Greens and Die Linke. That was not impossible. Both in 2005 and 2013 the majority was there for the taking. But the divisions over Agenda 2010, the legacies of the GDR and Die Linke’s ingrained hostility to Nato went too deep. The SPD and Die Linke could never come to terms.

The fissuring of the German left after Agenda 2010 opened the door to the CDU’s recovery of power. Though Die Linke and Merkel are radically different expressions of post-reunification politics, they condition each other. Despite her formidable reputation, Merkel is not a successful electoral campaigner. In 2005, at the height of the turmoil and indignation stirred up by Agenda 2010, she managed only to inch the SPD out, 35.2 to 34.2 per cent. Her brand of neoliberalism stirred anxiety among CDU voters as much as Schröder’s did on the left. Only once, in 2009, did she win a vote share large enough to enable a centre-right coalition with the FDP. For three of her four governments, Merkel has relied on a grand coalition with the SPD. The impact on the SPD has been deeply ambiguous. On the one hand, except for the interlude of 2009-13, the SPD has been in government in Berlin for 21 years continuously. On the other hand the loss of identity, already visible under Schröder, has been ever more pronounced.

Governing with Merkel is dangerous. She is no ordinary conservative. Paying relentless attention to opinion polls, she omnivorously absorbs the agendas of her partners and opponents. This gives hardline conservatives little to cheer about. In electoral terms the CDU, like the SPD, has suffered a serious decline. And as conservative strategists have long worried, Merkel’s move to the centre opens space for a hard right alternative, an opportunity that the AfD seized in 2015. But the truth is that given the alignment of German political forces, Merkel simply did not need the right wing. The SPD has supplied her with the votes she needed to govern from the centre. As both parties have discovered, access to power in Berlin today depends less on your absolute share of the vote than on your place in the coalitional algebra.

The SPD was by no means a passive victim of these developments. For 15 years it has chosen to double down on the Schröder agenda. In 2009 the party fought a losing election with Steinmeier, the orchestrator of Agenda 2010, as its Spitzenkandidat. Then in 2013 the party grandees nominated Peer Steinbrück, who as finance minister in 2008 took responsibility for the bank bailouts. He can also claim credit for the Schuldenbremse, the ‘debt brake’ amendment to the constitution which throttles public spending. The notorious ‘schwarze Null’ (the fiscal surplus), popularly associated with Wolfgang Schäuble, is actually a creation of the SPD. Perversely, this fiscal discipline bears most heavily on the weakest Länder, including North Rhine-Westphalia and Bremen, which were once bastions of the SPD. It was not until 2013, after its third consecutive loss, that the SPD made any effort to change direction.

Under the new rules of the Berlin game, losing to Merkel in 2013 didn’t mean the SPD was out of power. It meant that it governed with her. And the social democrats extracted a heavy price. Not only the foreign ministry, but justice, the economy, labour and social affairs, family and youth and environmental policy were all in the hands of the SPD, at least some of whom were now determined to distance themselves from Agenda 2010. Their key demand, in the face of howls of protest from employers, was a minimum wage.

In the heyday of the German model, when wages were set by collective bargaining arrangements, there was no need for such regulations. But in the new era of flexible, low-paid work, the minimum wage of €8.50 an hour brought relief to some four million workers when it was introduced in 2015. Combined with the continued growth of the German economy and other incremental changes to the benefit system, it has lifted the acute economic insecurity of the early 2000s. Nachtwey’s dark vision of social crisis and downward mobility better describes the situation a decade ago than in Germany today. Even in the east, conditions are improving. If the AfD is a conflagration born of the socioeconomic crisis, it is of the slow-burning variety. It’s also clear, however, that the SPD gets no credit for its earnest efforts to rebalance the Agenda 2010 model. The party’s fate will be decided not by its success or failure in delivering specific social policies, but by its ability to tie its identity to a compelling diagnosis of Germany’s current problems and a credible account of its role in the recent past.

For the 2017 campaign, the party apparatchiks plumped for a fresh face – Martin Schulz, a former president of the European Parliament. As described by Markus Feldenkirchen in Die Schulz Story, despite his endorsement of Agenda 2010 in years gone by, Schulz’s rocky personal biography and folksy manner vouched for the authenticity of his commitment to a more egalitarian politics. But rather than giving him a clear mandate on social inequality and Europe, which would have played to his strengths, the party managers decided to pit his personal appeal against Merkel’s. For a delirious few weeks it seemed that it might work. But by the summer his political stock had collapsed. The election was a disaster. Not only was it the worst result in a national election since 1949, there was not a single Land in which the SPD scored more than 30 per cent. Of the voters the party had retained, a quarter were over the age of 70.

The election results in September 2017 were bad for the SPD, but the aftermath was worse. Merkel tried, first, for an unprecedented ‘Jamaica’ coalition – the CDU/CSU (black) with the FDP (yellow) and the Greens. After six weeks the FDP walked away and the talks broke down. That left the options of new elections – unattractive given surging support for the AfD – or another Große Koalition. The SPD was bitterly divided. Kevin Kühnert, the leader of the party’s 70,000-strong youth wing, mobilised against the GroKo. But he was fought to a standstill by a powerful lobby in favour of it, headed by Olaf Scholz, a party boss from Hamburg, and Andrea Nahles, once on the party’s left wing, who became leader in April 2018.

Once again the SPD extracted a steep price for its co-operation with Merkel. To the horror of conservatives and the business lobby, the chancellor turned a blind eye while SPD ministers launched a raft of new social and environmental policies. But once again, the SPD in government with Merkel lacks credibility. This year’s European elections gave the party its worst result in a national ballot since 1887. And the data are worse when broken down demographically. Among voters under thirty, the SPD scores no more than 10 per cent. While Scholz and other senior SPD ministers remain in office, Nahles has resigned from all her party positions. Until the next party conference, scheduled for December, the SPD is without a leader. There are no candidates. It seems inconceivable that anyone who backs the coalition with the CDU could be a candidate. But an anti-GroKo candidate would hasten a new election, which is a terrifying prospect.

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What is remarkable – the third big story in German politics in the last four years – is who has benefited from the SPD’s collapse. Not the CDU, whose results are by its own standards barely less disastrous than the SPD’s. Outside the east, the AfD seems to have hit a ceiling at around 10 per cent. Die Linke, worried about competition on the right, has impaled itself on arguments about immigration policy. The FDP’s refusal to take a share of power in 2017 has left it sidelined. The great beneficiaries of the upheaval are the Greens.

Immediately after the collapse of the Jamaica coalition talks in 2017, the Greens’ poll numbers surged. In the recent European elections their record result of 20.5 per cent put them in second place for the first time in a national poll. That breakthrough seems only to have increased their momentum. They now regularly poll over 25 per cent, ahead of the CDU. Their leaders, Robert Habeck and Annalena Baerbock, are inexperienced but charismatic. They clearly stand for the party’s shift to the mainstream. The Greens have established a business council, frequented by senior management from the chemical giant BASF, Accenture consulting and the reinsurance group Munich Re. The party that once represented the ecofundamentalist fringe no longer shrinks from the project of greening German capitalism.

The most widely discussed option for the future is a Black-Green coalition: a modernised CDU and a moderated Green party in a new-style centrist formation. Something of the kind operates in Baden-Württemberg. But it’s unclear whether the Green base in the rest of the country will tolerate such a conservative deal. On the same day as the European elections, Bremen held a vote, which brought another historic defeat for the SPD. Having ruled the city uninterruptedly since 1945, it took only 25 per cent of the vote. The ‘winner’ was the CDU. But it cannot govern alone, which makes the Greens the kingmakers. To the dismay of the party’s Berlin leadership, rather than talk to the conservatives, the Bremen Greens entered talks for a Green-Red-Red coalition, with the defeated SPD and Die Linke.

Bremen, a heavily indebted post-industrial port, is the smallest state of the republic. But if its coalition model were to catch on in Berlin, it would cause an earthquake. The Red-Red-Green option is the one that the SPD leadership, in better times, refused to countenance. Now it is one of the few possibilities left. And it is all the more significant now that the CDU has to deal with its own split on the right wing. The CDU’s reaction to the news from Bremen was telling. Merkel’s designated successor, Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer, immediately denounced the move, declaring that the Greens had revealed their true left-wing nature, and voters who hoped to bring about a change of government by supporting the Greens were naively opening the door to Die Linke. But this rhetoric cannot disguise the difficulty of the CDU’s position. What options has the retiring Merkel left her party? Given the CDU’s diminished polling, a coalition with the FDP alone is no longer enough. Would the CDU want to pursue an ‘Austrian option’ – a coalition with the AfD? Such a scenario is conceivable at the Länder level in the east. In regional elections in Saxony and Brandenburg later this year, the AfD is likely to consolidate its position as the leading party of the right. But at the federal level there is nothing that would do more to rally a majority for a Red-Red-Green coalition than the prospect of a CDU-AfD connubio.

There is much to admire about German democracy. It is flexible, open, constantly changing. The six parties it is now made up of broadly reflect the divisions of German society. The complexity is a reflection of reality. But can it produce leadership? The answer matters for Europe as well as Germany itself. A clear German position is needed on issues ranging from Brexit and the development of the Eurozone to climate change and security policy in the age of Trump. A strategic window of opportunity closed in 2017 when Emmanuel Macron waited in vain for an answer from Berlin for his Sorbonne vision of Europe’s future. Europe can ill afford further delay. It is possible that a reconfiguration of politics in Berlin will eventually produce a more decisive, more pro-European government. But that is speculation. And how long will it take? In the meantime Europe is left with a government in Berlin that is a political zombie, a relic of a bygone age.
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 22, 2019, 01:18:55 PM
https://twitter.com/ArabianaINTEL/status/1153038131794497537 (https://twitter.com/ArabianaINTEL/status/1153038131794497537)

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on July 22, 2019, 01:35:25 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-deadline-irish-border-moon-landing-tory-leadership-hunt-a9015011.html

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Boris Johnson has claimed that the 1969 moon landing proves that he will be able to deliver Brexit by 31 October.

The frontrunner to take over from Theresa May this week said a "sense of mission" akin to that of the Nasa project was all that was needed to take Britain out of the EU on time.

:rofl
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 22, 2019, 02:00:29 PM
This is already going very well

https://twitter.com/BizInsiderMY/status/1153333968546291714 (https://twitter.com/BizInsiderMY/status/1153333968546291714)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 22, 2019, 02:39:14 PM
There's a rumor floating about that Erdogan died.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Rufus on July 22, 2019, 02:42:58 PM
Floating about where?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 22, 2019, 02:45:46 PM
Floating on the folds of Nintex's mind
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: OnlyRegret on July 22, 2019, 02:49:37 PM
https://twitter.com/jmich019/status/1153276710609199108

one big issue
the man is 65, not 61

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Kara on July 22, 2019, 03:10:15 PM
Don't fuck with Gulen. :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on July 22, 2019, 03:28:41 PM
After the reporting on latest botched Coup, I'll wait for some official confirmation still.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: BisMarckie on July 22, 2019, 03:35:57 PM
I live next to a sizable Kurdish community, I will know soon if that is credible.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 22, 2019, 03:37:37 PM
I'm not believing it until John Bolton posts a joy emoji on Twitter.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 22, 2019, 05:39:54 PM
1 more sleep until Boris is PM. Will the simulation finally crash?  :heart
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on July 22, 2019, 05:56:52 PM
Quote from: Nintex on July 22, 2019, 05:39:54 PM
1 more sleep until Boris is PM. Will the simulation finally crash?  :heart

            A cry for help ?
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 :isthis

You have value and can be loved, people care about you.
Well not here, but you know, some other people.

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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: OnlyRegret on July 22, 2019, 06:55:03 PM
Quote from: Nintex on July 22, 2019, 03:37:37 PM
I'm not believing it until John Bolton posts a joy emoji on Twitter.

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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: team filler on July 22, 2019, 08:26:50 PM
https://twitter.com/bobthecurly/status/1150663069632217088

 :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: team filler on July 22, 2019, 09:08:05 PM
https://twitter.com/moesafa/status/1153469104126406661

https://twitter.com/moesafa/status/1153465402141396993

 :pacspit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on July 23, 2019, 07:18:39 AM
Let the shitshow begin.

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2019/7/23/ce265af2-4777-4b9e-b325-510b6d8e9eb7.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 23, 2019, 07:24:02 AM
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1153625565208821761 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1153625565208821761)

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1153624786964119557 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1153624786964119557)

 8)

"I say to all the doubters: Dude, we are going to energise the country, we are going to get #Brexit done"


"There may even be some people here who still wonder quite what they have done"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: samir on July 23, 2019, 07:37:41 AM
Heck yeah!! Prime Minister BJ  8)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Ghoul on July 23, 2019, 07:54:51 AM
Jeremy Hunt annihilated.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 23, 2019, 08:05:35 AM
https://twitter.com/Jeremy_Hunt/status/1153633471979565057 (https://twitter.com/Jeremy_Hunt/status/1153633471979565057)

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: BisMarckie on July 23, 2019, 08:16:49 AM
Buying options on the pound right now :money
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: SmokyDave on July 23, 2019, 06:28:31 PM
Just seen Farage saying he’s up for a pact with Boris, and Trump reckons the pair of them could deliver a jolly old brexit.

Torn between winding up my colleagues and keeping my mouth shut tomorrow. I’ve been telling them for weeks that Boris is just warming Nige’s seat, but it’s getting a little too real now.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Kara on July 23, 2019, 06:30:58 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on July 23, 2019, 08:16:49 AM
Buying options on the pound right now :money

This about gave me a heart attack during Brexit and my resting blood pressure is so low that it set off alarms the last time I was in hospital.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on July 24, 2019, 10:06:36 AM
Johnson's gonna have to get cracking from Day 1, 4 ministers have already resigned :rofl
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 24, 2019, 12:37:34 PM
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1154041862052691971 (https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1154041862052691971)

 :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: team filler on July 24, 2019, 02:18:08 PM
https://twitter.com/NTarnopolsky/status/1154085930128564226

 :D
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Occam on July 24, 2019, 02:25:43 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/its-not-funny-any-more-18699299
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Kara on July 24, 2019, 02:30:23 PM
filler reposting Mako content. :lol

spoiler (click to show/hide)
It's just super normie Israeli stuff.
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on July 24, 2019, 05:34:30 PM
Just when you thought there was no more shit for the fan :lol

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1154127542971969540
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 24, 2019, 05:44:42 PM
"To all the doubters, pessimists and doomsayers I say: "DUDE, we got enough diarrhea for ten fans!"  :tophat

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Brehvolution on July 25, 2019, 11:30:52 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/NsHPpn3.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 25, 2019, 12:47:10 PM
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1154351234196869125 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1154351234196869125)

Corbyn got wrecked. Yet, won't support a motion of no confidence from the libdems  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Rufus on July 25, 2019, 01:14:56 PM
Still wants the tories to hold the bag, I suppose.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 25, 2019, 06:11:12 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAWgzC-XoAAdDLx?format=jpg)

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: team filler on July 25, 2019, 06:12:31 PM
remember the sun baby from teletubbies? this is him now, feel old yet?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: samir on July 26, 2019, 09:13:59 AM
Chilled thot?  :what
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: OnlyRegret on July 26, 2019, 02:01:56 PM
tot, you weirdo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 26, 2019, 06:04:53 PM
Congratulations you put a grammar nazi into power  :lol
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1154782412557168643 (https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1154782412557168643)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: nachobro on July 26, 2019, 06:36:11 PM
double space after a period  >:(

also it's "full stop" you dope
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 26, 2019, 06:42:36 PM
Quote from: nachobro on July 26, 2019, 06:36:11 PM
double space after a period  >:(

YES!  Why does everyone make fun of me for doing this? 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 26, 2019, 06:48:01 PM
At least this member of the league of evil has a weakness to exploit  8)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 26, 2019, 06:48:09 PM
"double-space after period"

lol okay grandpa
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Kara on July 26, 2019, 07:05:05 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on July 26, 2019, 06:42:36 PM
Quote from: nachobro on July 26, 2019, 06:36:11 PM
double space after a period  >:(

YES!  Why does everyone make fun of me for doing this?

Because you aren't a typist in the 1950s.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on July 26, 2019, 08:07:54 PM
Use imperial measurements ! :gbcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Tripon on July 26, 2019, 08:30:18 PM
Quote
SANTO DOMINGO (Reuters) - Tech guru John McAfee, creator of the eponymous antivirus computer software, has arrived in Britain from the Dominican Republic, where he was detained with his wife for entering the Caribbean nation with firearms on his yacht, his lawyer said on Friday.

The attorney general's office "asked him where he wanted to go, and he decided on London," said lawyer Candido Simon, who McAfee hired to represent him in the Dominican Republic.

McAfee, born in 1945 at a U.S. military base on British territory, has both nationalities. After Dominican authorities ensured the United States had no active legal cases or extradition requests for McAfee, they allowed him to choose where he would be sent, Simon said.

McAfee, who is seeking the Libertarian Party's nomination for U.S. president in 2020, recently told Reuters in an interview he could help Cuba defeat the U.S. trade embargo by launching a cryptocurrency.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/dominican-republic-sends-mcafee-britain-182730668.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 26, 2019, 08:34:13 PM
Quote from: Kara on July 26, 2019, 07:05:05 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on July 26, 2019, 06:42:36 PM
Quote from: nachobro on July 26, 2019, 06:36:11 PM
double space after a period  >:(

YES!  Why does everyone make fun of me for doing this?

Because you aren't a typist in the 1950s.

I LARP as one.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 27, 2019, 05:09:14 AM
https://twitter.com/labourwhips/status/1155009109164527616 (https://twitter.com/labourwhips/status/1155009109164527616)

2 tories1 cup
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: team filler on July 27, 2019, 11:51:23 AM
autisty :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 27, 2019, 12:37:50 PM
Boris Johnson: Paints people on a bus on empty wine crates (allegedly)
Jacob Rees-Mogg: Grammar Nazi esq. MP
Dominic Raab: Obsessed with his cup size

Anything on the other members of The Cabinet(TM)?

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on July 27, 2019, 03:33:00 PM
How about Priti Patel, who was sacked a couple for holding unauthorized meetings with Israel while secretary of international development.
And now got the 3rd top job, Home Secretary. Being rather infamous for having expressed rather positive opinions about death penalty in the past, as it happens.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 29, 2019, 10:16:21 AM
Boris is going to spend 100 million pounds on a Brexit no-deal preparation marketing blitz which will be the biggest UK government ad campaign since WW2 bonds.
 :success

Dominic Raab has already confirmed that no-deal Brexit is pretty much what the bois are gunning for now unless the EU comes to the table to NeGoTiAtE  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 29, 2019, 01:13:47 PM
Surprising to see Boris doing so many things in such a short time. Did no one bother to tell May what sort of powers the Prime Minister has?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 30, 2019, 08:27:26 AM
He has done nothing?

Only thing he will accomplish is crashing out with no deal and then  trying to keep the UK from disbanding.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: team filler on July 30, 2019, 11:48:39 AM
https://twitter.com/swilkinsonbc/status/1156161385698615296

 :D
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on July 30, 2019, 01:17:53 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-49151870


Quote
Boris Johnson is visiting Wales for the first time as PM as he tries to rally farmers' support for his Brexit plans.

A Welsh farmer called on Mr Johnson to stop "playing Russian roulette" with the lamb industry over the threat of a no-deal Brexit.

But Mr Johnson said: "We're not aiming for a no-deal Brexit, we don't think that's where we'll end up."

"This is very much up to our friends and partners across the channel," he said.


 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 30, 2019, 01:40:14 PM
Boris had an interesting week so far.

He visited Manchester and got stuff thrown at him from the crowds and he visited Scotland and got boo'ed by the public.
Dominic Raab made a complete fool out of himself in a TV interview.

And it's only Tuesday.

https://twitter.com/elliotwagland/status/1156211206966915073 (https://twitter.com/elliotwagland/status/1156211206966915073)

 :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on July 30, 2019, 02:57:58 PM
Quote from: Nintex on July 30, 2019, 01:40:14 PM
Boris had an interesting week so far.

He visited Manchester and got stuff thrown at him from the crowds and he visited Scotland and got boo'ed by the public.
Dominic Raab made a complete fool out of himself in a TV interview.

And it's only Tuesday.

https://twitter.com/elliotwagland/status/1156211206966915073 (https://twitter.com/elliotwagland/status/1156211206966915073)

 :rejoice


Related:

Quote
It has been revealed that Boris Johnson's director of communications used to be the Daily Mirror "Chicken" - a costumed character who mocked Conservative politicians on the campaign trail.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49165504


https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/1156098263264714752
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Kara on July 30, 2019, 07:19:52 PM
So that's what they meant when they said taking back control during the Brexit campaign.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-northern-ireland-direct-rule-dominic-raab-boris-johnson-a9024801.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: OnlyRegret on July 30, 2019, 07:33:56 PM
political compass is so passé
any of you tried https://8values.github.io/

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 30, 2019, 07:43:08 PM
Quote from: Kara on July 30, 2019, 07:19:52 PM
So that's what they meant when they said taking back control during the Brexit campaign.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-northern-ireland-direct-rule-dominic-raab-boris-johnson-a9024801.html

Brexit really is going to end up tearing the UK apart, isn't it?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on July 30, 2019, 07:47:04 PM
Northern Ireland hasn't had a government coalition in years, right? Honestly, it would be really amazing if the whole stink about May's deal was over the backstop in Northern Ireland, which leads to Boris' no deal, but that ends up reunifying Ireland anyway.

Just keep NI in the single market! For fucks' sake
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on July 31, 2019, 03:31:24 AM
Quote
New investment in the UK car industry has suffered a "precipitous" decline.

It comes at a time when businesses in the sector have been spending heavily on preparations for a no-deal Brexit, according to the Society for Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT).

The government says it is liaising with companies to help them prepare.

The SMMT says investment fell to just Ł90m in the first six months of the year from Ł347m last year.

By contrast, firms' spending on contingency plans for a possible no-deal Brexit has now reached a minimum of Ł330m.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49170387


(https://i.imgur.com/BLvkHbg.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on July 31, 2019, 09:32:43 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-49178524

RIP Brit bees.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on July 31, 2019, 01:08:50 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49182154

(http://abload.de/img/200xhu4s.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on July 31, 2019, 01:27:02 PM
Boris has an official vlog  8)

https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1156590629637545987 (https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1156590629637545987)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: nachobro on July 31, 2019, 01:46:23 PM
Probably a million reasons this wouldn't work but why not just have England leave the EU and the rest of the UK can stay in? Seems like that'd satisfy the Ireland issues and Scotland doesn't seem to want to leave.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Rufus on July 31, 2019, 01:58:13 PM
Scotland might want another referendum.

Wales? Dunno. (Don't seem as divided from England as the others. Just my gut feeling, though.)

Northern Ireland? Phew. Hard border is a no-go for the Irish and consequently the EU. Johnson is going full steam ahead on no-deal, counting on the EU to fold on the backstop and negotiate a deal similar to Norway's. Will they? Dunno.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on July 31, 2019, 06:01:34 PM
Quote from: nachobro on July 31, 2019, 01:46:23 PM
Probably a million reasons this wouldn't work but why not just have England leave the EU and the rest of the UK can stay in? Seems like that'd satisfy the Ireland issues and Scotland doesn't seem to want to leave.

The Brits terminology is pretty confusing but I'm pretty certain Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales are not "real" countries as of now even if they have their own sports team on the international stage because reasons. It would be a nightmare to enforce and I don't think anyone is eager to open the can of worms of individual regions exiting the EU.

I'm no EU scholar but I'm fairly certain that despite my previous point there's some special status for some exceptional territories, notably islands (a quick search comes up with an "ultraperipheral region" that apply to the Azores, Canaries, etc...) and IIRC the EU was opened to the idea of keeping the border open between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland (in effect turning NI into a special region out of the EU but with preferential access to the common market) if the UK enforced its customs between Northern Ireland and the main island of Great Britain. But as we all know the UK government has decided so far to not decide anything. They don't want the hard border between the RoI and NI, but they don't want it between NI and the rest of GB either.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on August 01, 2019, 03:15:22 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on July 31, 2019, 06:01:34 PM
Quote from: nachobro on July 31, 2019, 01:46:23 PM
Probably a million reasons this wouldn't work but why not just have England leave the EU and the rest of the UK can stay in? Seems like that'd satisfy the Ireland issues and Scotland doesn't seem to want to leave.

The Brits terminology is pretty confusing but I'm pretty certain Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales are not "real" countries as of now even if they have their own sports team on the international stage because reasons. It would be a nightmare to enforce and I don't think anyone is eager to open the can of worms of individual regions exiting the EU.

It's a mess - they aren't recognized internationally as countries as the only true sovereign unit is the UK, but in many ways, they are - e.g. the fact that they have their own governments. Westminster only has exclusive power in very limited things, such as international relations and defense.

It's quite funny, because ironically the UK is kinda like the EU.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on August 01, 2019, 04:03:05 AM
https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-plans-no-deal-brexit-ad-campaign-in-europe/

Quote
Boris Johnson's government is planning a Europe-wide media blitz to convince EU governments and citizens that the U.K. is serious about leaving, deal or no deal, on October 31.

Well that doesn't seem like a waste of time and money at all.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on August 01, 2019, 01:45:04 PM
Totally not ready for it, then ?
If you gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on August 01, 2019, 02:46:12 PM
:dead

https://twitter.com/benhabib6/status/1156905045239185410
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Rufus on August 01, 2019, 02:51:30 PM
https://twitter.com/JohnRealSmith/status/1156907636203425793

:lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Occam on August 01, 2019, 03:27:16 PM
Funny how GBP is at its lowest level in 2 years. No value there.

Why is that?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on August 01, 2019, 03:38:08 PM
Quote from: Occam on August 01, 2019, 03:27:16 PM
Funny how GBP is at its lowest level in 2 years. No value there.

Why is that?

iTs gOod fOR eXpoRts :derp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Kara on August 01, 2019, 03:46:48 PM
tbh the GBP was overvalued considering the UK's economy is 60% gaming YouTubers, 60% transphobia, and 60% shitty weapons.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on August 01, 2019, 03:50:17 PM
Quote from: Kara on August 01, 2019, 03:46:48 PM
tbh the GBP was overvalued considering the UK's economy is 60% gaming YouTubers, 60% transphobia, and 60% shitty weapons.
You forgot the 60% sleazy papers
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Kara on August 01, 2019, 05:50:42 PM
https://twitter.com/benhabib6/status/1156449403315654656
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Tripon on August 01, 2019, 07:41:12 PM
https://twitter.com/benhabib6/status/1156963378499325953

Don't worry, the Troubles, AKA a guerilla war will come back, but there won't be a 'hard' border.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Tripon on August 01, 2019, 10:37:24 PM
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1157025123511283712
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: agrajag on August 02, 2019, 03:09:24 PM
https://twitter.com/cogatonline/status/1156568860243480578

those look like some Kmart hiking boots  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: team filler on August 02, 2019, 03:25:04 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/2PkNgNV.gif) :rollsafe
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: team filler on August 02, 2019, 05:05:29 PM
https://twitter.com/_whitneywebb/status/1157385911769980928
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on August 03, 2019, 03:38:13 PM
https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/traffic-stress-lagos-nigeria/index.html (https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/traffic-stress-lagos-nigeria/index.html)

Quote
This is the reason why Lagosians spend an average of 30 hours in traffic each week -- or 1,560 annually -- while drivers in Los Angeles and Moscow traffic spent only 128 and 210 hours respectively in the whole of 2018.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on August 03, 2019, 04:44:30 PM
Noooo we need more trees.

Time to invade Brazil
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on August 03, 2019, 05:05:05 PM
Goddam

https://twitter.com/MazMHussain/status/1157681224762187783
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Tripon on August 03, 2019, 06:20:14 PM
https://twitter.com/SimonOstrovsky/status/1157013840049123329


https://twitter.com/AnshelPfeffer/status/1155534654788841472
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on August 04, 2019, 06:25:32 AM
https://twitter.com/aaronMCN/status/1157956265458331648 (https://twitter.com/aaronMCN/status/1157956265458331648)

 :badass

https://twitter.com/hkpoliceforce/status/1157959496250957824 (https://twitter.com/hkpoliceforce/status/1157959496250957824)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on August 04, 2019, 06:38:09 AM
https://twitter.com/thesundaysport/status/1157742969342038017 (https://twitter.com/thesundaysport/status/1157742969342038017)

 :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Tripon on August 04, 2019, 03:13:59 PM
https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/1158082441820741632 :brain
https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/1158082448988823553 :brain
https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/1158082456140025857 :brain
https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/1158084039192039424 :brain
https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/1158088915699548160 :brain
https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/1158092134437838851 :brain

 :usacry  :gbcry :hump :rofl


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on August 05, 2019, 01:03:03 PM
The Pound's been taking a beating over the past few days, and is hovering around the lowest, against both the USD and Euro, it's been since the post-brexit vote period (late 2016).

It's not quite there yet, but if the trend continues it will pass that point in the coming weeks, and will reach its lowest value ever against the Dollar, and exchange rates not seen against the Euro since the 2008 crash.

The Boris effect.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on August 06, 2019, 12:24:13 AM
https://twitter.com/AnupamPKher/status/1158095559061909504

following the Israeli model :notlikethis
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on August 06, 2019, 12:55:19 AM
(https://preview.redd.it/y60scn6dbme31.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=b41a721468324857a99a14f7c47b39b6c32c1270)

(from the airport)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on August 06, 2019, 01:04:34 AM
(https://preview.redd.it/dfn5i3vjuie31.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=ea82cc732d0db7472774ce5764d733b60e35b382)

(https://i.imgur.com/WNYuKfr.png?1)

It's ironic but I do get where this is coming from. These people feel surrounded by a hostile force they don't identify with at all. To quote what Metternich said about Italy, China is just a geographical expression.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on August 06, 2019, 01:26:20 AM
https://twitter.com/2020ccpbiwang/status/1157619751411015681

why is there so much pepe imagery

the fact that all the revolutions this century will happen during the age of social media adds an absurd quality to everything
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on August 06, 2019, 02:17:01 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49240809

Quote
The EU has said there is no basis for any further Brexit talks while the UK continues to insist on making changes to Theresa May's withdrawal agreement.

Here we go boys.

Some choice bits:

Quote
An EU negotiator told the meeting on Sunday: ""With only a few weeks to go we are back where we were three years ago."

Quote
A senior EU diplomat said in the meeting that a no-deal Brexit appears to be the UK government's "central scenario", according to the Daily Telegraph and the Guardian.

"It was clear UK does not have another plan. No intention to negotiate, which would require a plan," the diplomat is reported to have said.

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Mr Frost reiterated the prime minister's stance that the backstop element of Mrs May's plan - which aims to prevent a hard border returning between Ireland and Northern Ireland - had to be abolished.

The backstop - agreed by Mrs May in November 2018 - would see Northern Ireland staying aligned to some rules of the EU single market.

Mr Frost said Mr Johnson's new ministers were not bound by commitments made by the previous government.

Quote
However, the former US treasury secretary, Larry Summers, has said he does not believe the UK will manage to secure a post-Brexit trade deal with Washington.

He told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "Britain has no leverage, Britain is desperate... it needs an agreement very soon. When you have a desperate partner, that's when you strike the hardest bargain."
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on August 06, 2019, 02:21:14 AM
Quote
"Britain has no leverage, Britain is desperate... it needs an agreement very soon. When you have a desperate partner, that's when you strike the hardest bargain."

payback time for all those impressed sailors

(https://cdn.fbsbx.com/v/t59.2708-21/50176086_394584167983389_6977563925885747200_n.gif?_nc_cat=108&_nc_oc=AQkN-s-WODyyrbuyIip5_8Q1o1zsMta2nZQI0-AlIXYlIQmFxSQbsfl2Itf6gSZuwUI&_nc_ht=cdn.fbsbx.com&oh=ca28a2c7568842b99b21cd272fecefe2&oe=5D4BBF51)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: OnlyRegret on August 06, 2019, 02:23:23 AM
brexit is a false flag by the eu to ensure exit is political suicide
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: OnlyRegret on August 06, 2019, 02:25:11 AM
(https://i.redd.it/290sd38vifn21.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on August 06, 2019, 06:03:59 AM
Quote from: shosta on August 06, 2019, 01:26:20 AM
https://twitter.com/2020ccpbiwang/status/1157619751411015681

why is there so much pepe imagery

the fact that all the revolutions this century will happen during the age of social media adds an absurd quality to everything
Steve Bannon met with an exiled Chinese billionaire and a few months later Pepe returns.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/04/business/stephen-bannon-guo-wengui-china.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/04/business/stephen-bannon-guo-wengui-china.html)
Quote
As tensions between the United States and China grow, the two men are hoping to stoke them even further, by effectively calling for the overthrow of Beijing’s leadership. Mr. Guo is dipping into his fortune, while Mr. Bannon has agreed to provide a strategy.
Has anyone seen Alexander Nix? It feels like the band is getting back together.

Brexit was the petri dish, Trump the main course, China the dessert(?) and Russia the after party(?).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Brehvolution on August 06, 2019, 09:19:10 AM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on August 06, 2019, 02:23:23 AM
brexit is a false flag by the eu to ensure exit is political suicide

Fear mongering gets you elected. Going through with the bullshit you promised to do without hurting the party is the hard part.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on August 06, 2019, 01:42:37 PM
To the surprise of absolutely no one, BoJo&Co are toeing the "it's not me, it's you" line.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49240809

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49251257

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on August 06, 2019, 02:53:48 PM
EU: "We will not renegotiate. Please use this valuable time to get your shit in order Ms. May"
Farage:"LMAO, Brexit party I will rip you a new one"
Tories: "Ok! We will organize a LEADERSHIP CONTEST to sort this out!"
Labour: "We've finally come to the position that we must take a position on Brexit"
Libdems: "We also need a new leader methinks"

EU: "Clock is ticking boys"
Farage: "I fart in your general direction*
Tories: "Boris is the man! Good show ol' chap!"
Labour: "We've finally come to the position that we must work together with the Libdems"
Libdems: "We've finally decided not to work with Labour"


Raab: "We've been flexible"
BBC: "How?"
Raab: "IT IS MY CUP"
Mogg M.P. esq: "PLEASE USE THE OXFORD COMMA"
Boris: "The Kippers look at these kippers, and Chickens. Boy do we like Chickens, Our dams are collapsing 1.8 billion for the NHS"
Commons: "HAHHAHAHA oh wow these guys are hilarious"
Labour: "There must be a serious inquiry into the dam incident. Although nothing happened we should still look into this with the highest priority"
Boris: "DUDE!, Look at all these happy people on the Brexit bus!!!!"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on August 06, 2019, 03:24:58 PM
EU is having none of it (https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1158492909399920640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1158492909399920640&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2F2%2Ftwitter.min.html%231158492909399920640) :lol


(it's a whole thread so the embed is freaking out, just click the link you lazy gits)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: curly on August 06, 2019, 08:10:17 PM
https://twitter.com/sannareya/status/1158693209847017472
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: OnlyRegret on August 07, 2019, 02:15:59 AM
as someone put it elsewhere
post-brexit, get strongarmed by moldova

(https://s2.desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/int/image/1539/97/1539979258110.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on August 07, 2019, 01:05:20 PM
The Pound has hit its lowest since 2010.


And in other good news: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49263781

Quote
The UK's decades-long membership of the Interrail scheme, which allows people to travel around Europe on a single train ticket, is to end.

From January 2020, UK rail journeys will no longer be covered by either the Interrail or Eurail passes, said Rail Delivery Group (RDG), which represents UK train operators.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on August 07, 2019, 01:15:02 PM
https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1159045843070128128 (https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1159045843070128128)

In other news, Boris barricading himself in no 10 after losing a confidence vote would be lit and actually plausible at this point.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: team filler on August 07, 2019, 02:41:41 PM
https://twitter.com/philipoltermann/status/1158989071672389633

 :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Transhuman on August 08, 2019, 12:20:15 AM
Reading American news:

(https://d7hftxdivxxvm.cloudfront.net/?resize_to=width&src=https%3A%2F%2Fartsy-media-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fc-jxKd_cAZl1gHaZS-VR6A%252FJan_van_Eyck_Diptych_Crucifixion_Right_Detail_1.jpg&width=600&quality=80)

Reading China News:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Dulle_Griet%2C_by_Pieter_Brueghel_%28I%29.jpg/640px-Dulle_Griet%2C_by_Pieter_Brueghel_%28I%29.jpg)

Reading British News:

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQnO2CQnBN6L_68LmsIJTGEVROvnmCzieZ11dGBVHS1lS6tgWMg)

Reading Australia News:

(https://www.abc.net.au/cm/rimage/9246954-3x2-xlarge.jpg?v=2)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on August 08, 2019, 02:22:04 AM
That butterfly's venom could kill you in about 15mins, btw.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on August 08, 2019, 02:25:51 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49270872

Quote
The government is assuming that French preparations for customs and regulatory checks have markedly decreased the anticipated trade disruption from a no-deal Brexit, the BBC has learned.

Typical :lol

Quote
UK officials had to use satellite photographs to estimate the potential for holding and processing facilities around French ports.
In April this secret assessment, shared with industry via non-disclosure agreements, was improved to 50-70% of freight stopped.

Excuse me?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on August 08, 2019, 02:27:15 AM
via non-disclosure agreements :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on August 08, 2019, 05:48:53 AM
Take that elitists who understand *checks notes* maps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5m7_JrLNDY

*everybody wants to rule the world plays*

Narrator: "Dominic Raab became Foreign Secretary. He still uses the same cup"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Tripon on August 08, 2019, 09:45:46 AM
Quote
NEW DELHI, Aug 8 (Reuters) - Women's rights advocates have slammed a torrent of online posts by men from across India who expressed enthusiasm about marrying women from Kashmir after India's sudden removal of special rights from the disputed region made it more appealing to do so.

"It’s deeply sexist," said Rituparna Chatterjee, an activist writing a book on the #MeToo movement in India. "Women’s bodies have been battlegrounds for men for centuries. The latest comments of Kashmiri women, are only testimony to this fact," she said.

India struck down a constitutional provision on Monday that granted special status to residents of Jammu and Kashmir state, whose population is majority Muslim, including exclusive rights to owning property and getting state government jobs there.

Under the previous rules, women from the state who married outsiders lost those rights, and outsiders couldn't buy property in Kashmir. Now, residents of the state and people from other parts of India will be on an equal legal footing in Kashmir.

As supporters of Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his ruling Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata party flooded social media with posts expressing jubilation about the constitutional change, many men among them said on Twitter and the video platform TikTok that this would make it easier for them to marry Kashmiris.

"Congrats India now unmarried boys can marry these smart girls from Kashmir after 370 removal," said one post, referring to the constitutional provision that was struck down. Another said: "Every Indian boy's dream right now: 1. Plot in Kashmir 2. Job in Kashmir 3. Marriage with Kashmiri girl."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/indian-men-see-policy-chance-085522052.html

Unintended (totally intended) consequence. Horny Indian men trying to sleep with Kashiri women.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: nachobro on August 08, 2019, 09:50:55 AM
dear kashmir pls send bob and vagene :mouf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Crash Dummy on August 08, 2019, 09:54:25 AM
what's in it for the girl's parents?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on August 08, 2019, 02:10:57 PM
Shit just keeps exploding in Russia this week. What the hell is going on  :doge
https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1159497803015610368 (https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1159497803015610368)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on August 08, 2019, 02:57:19 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49280689

Quote
The EU should show "common sense" and agree to make changes to the Brexit withdrawal deal, Boris Johnson has told the BBC.

The prime minister said there was "bags of time" for the EU to compromise on the Irish border backstop plan before the Brexit deadline of 31 October.

He also warned MPs not to oppose Brexit, and to respect the 2016 referendum result.


:lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Brehvolution on August 08, 2019, 03:50:46 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 08, 2019, 02:10:57 PM
Shit just keeps exploding in Russia this week. What the hell is going on  :doge
https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1159497803015610368 (https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1159497803015610368)

Only 3.6 roentgen.Not great not terrible.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on August 08, 2019, 03:57:59 PM
:dead

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/16F35/production/_108250049_mediaitem108247626.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on August 08, 2019, 05:05:10 PM
Welp the Italian coalition government with Lega and 5 Stars is no more.


Don't worry about Boris. Jeremy is on the case
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1159500283644448769 (https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1159500283644448769)

I like how they always spoil the plot to the next episode
Quote
Under 2011 legislation, a vote of no-confidence triggers a 14-day period during which Johnson can either regain the confidence of parliament by winning a vote, or rivals can pitch their own government and try to secure majority backing.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on August 09, 2019, 01:26:22 PM
The GBPUSD rate is at its lowest since the mid-80's.

I might need some care packages brehs. Just don't ask bork to take care of the shipment.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on August 09, 2019, 01:38:46 PM
Quote from: Raist on August 09, 2019, 01:26:22 PM
The GBPUSD rate is at its lowest since the mid-80's.

I might need some care packages brehs. Just don't ask bork to take care of the shipment.
I've got you friend. If you need anything just slide in the DM's.
Because I'm Dutch shipping shouldn't be too expensive either.

https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1159483591006593026 (https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1159483591006593026)

Anyhow, Boris isn't the brightest of the bunch and might be a bit too optimistic about his post-brexit expectations but so far he hasn't acted like a cartoon villain such as Salvini or some of Trump's cabinet members.
As far as unelected leaders go, you could've had a lot worse  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 09, 2019, 01:51:19 PM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on August 06, 2019, 02:25:11 AM
(https://i.redd.it/290sd38vifn21.jpg)

Damn, she must have had a lot of work done in three years, she looks way younger.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on August 09, 2019, 02:09:07 PM
https://twitter.com/akihheikkinen/status/1159884077228548097 (https://twitter.com/akihheikkinen/status/1159884077228548097)

https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1159542202693033985 (https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1159542202693033985)

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on August 09, 2019, 04:36:31 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49290926

Quote
The chancellor has told the BBC that he does not expect the UK to slide into recession after data showed the economy shrank by 0.2% between April and June.

Sajid Javid was speaking after the Office for National Statistics said the economy had contracted for the first time since 2012.

The surprise decline came after Brexit stockpiles were unwound and the car industry implemented shutdowns.

The pound slid after the data was released, raising fears of a recession.

farageprettygood.gif etc
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on August 09, 2019, 04:58:01 PM
Most of Europe is already in a recession or close to it right now.

The only reason certain stock markets are going up is because most European bonds (Dutch, German etc.) have negative interest rates so investors put their money in stocks, real estate and commodities.
But all other indicators have been red for months now. Even CHINAH has slowed down significantly. The only economy still performing well above expectations (on paper at least) is the US.

With Italy spiraling out of the control(again) and Boris leaving the EU by the 31st of October 'no matter what' I suspect von der Leyen will do more than offer free WiFi to boost the EU economy.
But because she was never a candidate we haven't got the faintest idea what her economic policies are.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Tripon on August 10, 2019, 10:38:45 AM
https://twitter.com/uncoolfellazone/status/1160135031689568257
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 10, 2019, 09:17:24 PM
https://www.newsweek.com/brexit-based-lies-yorkshire-grandma-revealed-anti-brexit-graffitist-1453648?utm_source=Public&utm_medium=Feed&utm_campaign=Distribution
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on August 11, 2019, 02:36:00 AM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on August 10, 2019, 09:17:24 PM
https://www.newsweek.com/brexit-based-lies-yorkshire-grandma-revealed-anti-brexit-graffitist-1453648?utm_source=Public&utm_medium=Feed&utm_campaign=Distribution

Quote
"Had I known I was being filmed I would have dressed up a bit more," Jones said to The Times when asked about the video.

:dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on August 11, 2019, 06:15:22 AM
In other news. The renewable energy bubble is popping.
Michael Moore was doing a documentary to show how great it is, but had to admit that it actually doesn't work.
In fact, it costs more energy to produce/maintain etc. than it actually delivers. It does in no way make us less depended on fossil fuels.
And now others have joined in echoing the same thing. Going as far as to say that Germany should've bet on nuclear energy instead.

https://twitter.com/MMFlint/status/1159663891871387659 (https://twitter.com/MMFlint/status/1159663891871387659)

https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/1160429994163593216 (https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/1160429994163593216)

Fun fact, Germany is now mostly reliant on energy imports from countries like Russia and to a lesser extend Norway.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Rufus on August 11, 2019, 06:53:58 AM
Shellenberger is a hack.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2019/05/06/the-reason-renewables-cant-power-modern-civilization-is-because-they-were-never-meant-to

At least he doesn't try to hide that NIMBYs are the reason deployment of wind turbines is slowing down.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on August 11, 2019, 12:10:22 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 11, 2019, 06:15:22 AM
In other news. The renewable energy bubble is popping.
Michael Moore was doing a documentary to show how great it is, but had to admit that it actually doesn't work.
In fact, it costs more energy to produce/maintain etc. than it actually delivers. It does in no way make us less depended on fossil fuels.
And now others have joined in echoing the same thing. Going as far as to say that Germany should've bet on nuclear energy instead.

https://twitter.com/MMFlint/status/1159663891871387659 (https://twitter.com/MMFlint/status/1159663891871387659)

https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/1160429994163593216 (https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/1160429994163593216)

Fun fact, Germany is now mostly reliant on energy imports from countries like Russia and to a lesser extend Norway.
That Quillette article is dishonest about where reduction in the cost of solar have come from. It is not externalized to taxpayers.

Also, hilariously, the comments section, is full of climate deniers  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Flannel Boy on August 11, 2019, 01:20:05 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 09, 2019, 04:58:01 PM
Most of Europe is already in a recession or close to it right now.


Aren't two consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth required for a recession? I don't think a single EU country had negative growth in the first quarter of 2019. Outside of the UK and Germany (Italy was flat), which countries had (or are expected to report) a contraction in the second quarter?

Also, the EU recently reported its lowest unemployment rate since they started keeping records.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on August 11, 2019, 01:36:32 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on August 11, 2019, 01:20:05 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 09, 2019, 04:58:01 PM
Most of Europe is already in a recession or close to it right now.


Aren't two consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth required for a recession? I don't think a single EU country had negative growth in the first quarter of 2019. Outside of the UK and Germany (Italy was flat), which countries had (or are expected to report) a contraction in the second quarter?

Also, the EU recently reported its lowest unemployment rate since they started keeping records.
Employment numbers are good, but some of those numbers are measured differently than before. Still, that is positive.
Yet, growth is slowing a to a crawl.
Quote
The single currency area’s economy expanded by just 0.2 per cent in the second quarter according to Eurostat, the European Commission’s statistics bureau, confirming that growth slowed during the spring on the back of weaker global demand.
Last quarter we only had a 0.2% growth and the first quarter 0.4%. In fact most of that 'average' comes from countries like Spain and Italy which are finally picking up after years of negative growth rates or other economic problems like housing bubbles.
We're pretty much looking at another lost decade if the governments don't act.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/18/business/europe-economy-lost-decade/index.html (https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/18/business/europe-economy-lost-decade/index.html)

Q3 likely won't look much better. The hot weather will be blamed and the summer holidays yadayada but the core issue persists.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on August 11, 2019, 01:39:51 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on August 11, 2019, 01:20:05 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 09, 2019, 04:58:01 PM
Most of Europe is already in a recession or close to it right now.


Aren't two consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth required for a recession? I don't think a single EU country had negative growth in the first quarter of 2019. Outside of the UK and Germany (Italy was flat), which countries had (or are expected to report) a contraction in the second quarter?

Also, the EU recently reported its lowest unemployment rate since they started keeping records.


Nintex was too lazy to click the link in the post he replied too :wag

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/15603/production/_108255578_optimised-growth_quarters-nc.png-2019-aug-09-nc.png)

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/5091/production/_108252602_auggdpcomparison-nc.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on August 11, 2019, 02:04:39 PM
The numbers don't tell the entire story. Take the Dutch economy for example.
Currently the housing market is a trainwreck. There's not enough housing period, so prices keep going up.

A friend of mine bought a house for 185k about 5 years ago. He never got around finishing the renovation.
He's going to sell it for 250k unfinished in a worse state than it was when he bought it.

A 40 km2 (15 square miles) apartment in this area sets you back 189k. They used to go for ~100 - 120. Amsterdam real estate is insanity. Up to 1 million for a regular family home.
There is what is best described as a single government mandated mortgage package available across all the different banks with a set interest rate. Meanwhile rents keep going up as well.
Some research was done which showed that before 33% of income on average would be spend on rent/mortgage and these days it is up to 50%, sometimes even 60% to 70%.

This bubble will pop and you don't want to be on the other side of it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on August 11, 2019, 02:06:11 PM
Nintex, growth in Europe is slow and Germany declined but yearly growth for the whole market is still going to be 1.4% in 2019 (and 1.9% in 2020 - an increase). That is not a recession, or "close to a recession", that has been the normal in Europe for many years. If you are actually worried about a recession maybe you should stop casually boosting Trump and Boris Johnson who are the biggest threats to global growth in the next year.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on August 11, 2019, 02:17:04 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 11, 2019, 02:04:39 PM
The numbers don't tell the entire story.
Actually you said something specific and someone said something else that directly refuted it so, yes, you were wrong.

Quote from: Nintex on August 11, 2019, 02:04:39 PM
Currently the housing market is a trainwreck. There's not enough housing period, so prices keep going up. [...] This bubble will pop and you don't want to be on the other side of it.
It's possible but that's just one market, and it's only true for a few cities.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Yeti on August 11, 2019, 02:20:47 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 11, 2019, 02:04:39 PM
The numbers don't tell the entire story. Take the Dutch economy for example.

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/029/847/cover4.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on August 11, 2019, 02:44:27 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 11, 2019, 02:04:39 PM
The numbers don't tell the entire story. Take the Dutch economy for example.
Currently the housing market is a trainwreck. There's not enough housing period, so prices keep going up.

A friend of mine bought a house for 185k about 5 years ago. He never got around finishing the renovation.
He's going to sell it for 250k unfinished in a worse state than it was when he bought it.

A 40 km2 (15 square miles) apartment in this area sets you back 189k. They used to go for ~100 - 120. Amsterdam real estate is insanity. Up to 1 million for a regular family home.
There is what is best described as a single government mandated mortgage package available across all the different banks with a set interest rate. Meanwhile rents keep going up as well.
Some research was done which showed that before 33% of income on average would be spend on rent/mortgage and these days it is up to 50%, sometimes even 60% to 70%.

This bubble will pop and you don't want to be on the other side of it.

This has absolutely nothing to do with a "recession".
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: kingv on August 11, 2019, 03:57:34 PM
Quote from: Raist on August 11, 2019, 01:39:51 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on August 11, 2019, 01:20:05 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 09, 2019, 04:58:01 PM
Most of Europe is already in a recession or close to it right now.


Aren't two consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth required for a recession? I don't think a single EU country had negative growth in the first quarter of 2019. Outside of the UK and Germany (Italy was flat), which countries had (or are expected to report) a contraction in the second quarter?

Also, the EU recently reported its lowest unemployment rate since they started keeping records.


Nintex was too lazy to click the link in the post he replied too :wag

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/15603/production/_108255578_optimised-growth_quarters-nc.png-2019-aug-09-nc.png)

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/5091/production/_108252602_auggdpcomparison-nc.png)

Growth over the previous quarter is a really weird metric. There’s a ton of seasonality in the economy because of holidays and shit, so you should always compare with last year.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on August 12, 2019, 12:52:42 PM
3 days ago:
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/bd283a8ed0b23a0bd572d5fd9062adb4/tenor.gif?itemid=14336594)

Today:
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1160953365209198592 (https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1160953365209198592)

Meanwhile in Argentine
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1160943505532948481 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1160943505532948481)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on August 12, 2019, 06:15:22 PM
"We need to leave the EU because muh democracy"





"Even if it means that the PM must forcibly shut down parliament"


https://twitter.com/chriscurtis94/status/1161018469451784192

:lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on August 12, 2019, 07:06:28 PM
That majority of Conservative voters :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Tripon on August 12, 2019, 10:12:40 PM
https://twitter.com/yuenok/status/1160519152685027328
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on August 12, 2019, 10:27:14 PM
Holy shit, countries in the Arabian peninsula spent 100 BILLION USD on arms and military equipment last year.

www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2019/08/zarif-arms-sales-gulf-tinderbox-ready-blow-190812101726183.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 12, 2019, 10:52:08 PM
Quote from: shosta on August 12, 2019, 10:27:14 PM
Holy shit, countries in the Arabian peninsula spent 100 BILLION USD on arms and military equipment last year.

www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2019/08/zarif-arms-sales-gulf-tinderbox-ready-blow-190812101726183.html

:trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on August 13, 2019, 05:06:43 AM
Puppet ruler  :doge
https://twitter.com/TheAPJournalist/status/1161102935922810880 (https://twitter.com/TheAPJournalist/status/1161102935922810880)

So it's all going downhill fast
https://twitter.com/JournoDannyAero/status/1161200664908726272 (https://twitter.com/JournoDannyAero/status/1161200664908726272)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on August 13, 2019, 07:15:06 AM
https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1161229951049375744 (https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1161229951049375744)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EB2GLJ8WsAACLgD?format=png&name=small)

 :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on August 13, 2019, 08:41:14 AM
On the bright side, Turkey shot down a Chinese drone with a laser cannon. You read that correctly.

(https://www.armyrecognition.com/images/stories/news/2019/August/Laser_battles_no_longer_science_fiction_2.jpg)

It's a fuckin laser cannon. :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on August 13, 2019, 04:33:30 PM
https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1161305213841682439 (https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1161305213841682439)

 :american

Convinced that the Matrix is broken yet

It's crazy to see all the Chinese bots go up in real time
https://twitter.com/IceXuvida/status/1161355252127244288 (https://twitter.com/IceXuvida/status/1161355252127244288)

https://twitter.com/sbzsa/status/1161356615343398913 (https://twitter.com/sbzsa/status/1161356615343398913)

Pay close attention and you can learn how information warfare works.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 13, 2019, 04:47:25 PM
Russian's new missile killed 5 of their own guys, how many of our guys have our missiles been able to kill?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on August 13, 2019, 05:09:59 PM
The Chinese information warfare tactics are disgusting.
They used the bots before to sow discontent about the Paris terror attacks.

One thing their Hong Kong signal boosting does is showing us just how far and wide these Chinese bot networks have spread across Twitter and elsewhere.
It's time we took them all down and made people aware of their existence.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Transhuman on August 14, 2019, 01:35:02 AM
Quote from: shosta on August 13, 2019, 08:41:14 AM
On the bright side, Turkey shot down a Chinese drone with a laser cannon. You read that correctly.

(https://www.armyrecognition.com/images/stories/news/2019/August/Laser_battles_no_longer_science_fiction_2.jpg)

It's a fuckin laser cannon. :rejoice

I imagine most of that damage is from the crash not the laser
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: naff on August 14, 2019, 02:01:20 AM
Quote from: Transhuman on August 14, 2019, 01:35:02 AM
I imagine most of that damage is from the crash not the laser

pfft. v obvious this is the effect of the immense heat generated as the pilot de-synchronised and the A.T. Field disintegrated.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on August 14, 2019, 02:06:00 AM
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PerkyAdmiredAnnelida-size_restricted.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on August 14, 2019, 09:46:19 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49348072

Quote
Speaking during a Facebook event hosted at Downing Street, Mr Johnson said he wanted to leave with a deal but "we need our European friends to compromise".

"There's a terrible kind of collaboration as it were, going on between people who think they can block Brexit in Parliament and our European friends," he added.

"The more they think there's a chance that Brexit can be blocked in Parliament, the more adamant they are in sticking to their position."

:brazilcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on August 14, 2019, 10:47:14 AM
How lovely.

https://twitter.com/oliver_wright/status/1161573881863376896
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 14, 2019, 10:57:42 AM
Only 3 million? Confirmed, USA still the best at having healthcare no one can afford. :jeb
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on August 14, 2019, 11:06:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg01im2yuJM

Maybe you can also ask Boris your questions Raist.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on August 14, 2019, 12:25:13 PM
Yeah, I'm sure these aren't curated to hell and back, or written by his own staff.

Actually scratch that, he probably makes them up as he goes along, that iPad just has a picture of Thatcher in kinky lingerie.


Also, while answering a question from Scotland:

(https://i.imgur.com/jsAZu3b.png)

Nice :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on August 14, 2019, 12:38:37 PM
Quote from: Raist on August 14, 2019, 12:25:13 PM
Yeah, I'm sure these aren't curated to hell and back, or written by his own staff.

Actually scratch that, he probably makes them up as he goes along, that iPad just has a picture of Thatcher in kinky lingerie.


Also, while answering a question from Scotland:

(https://i.imgur.com/jsAZu3b.png)

Nice :lol
I'm also thinking the mental health question was a troll they didn't catch  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on August 14, 2019, 12:55:15 PM
These questions just so happen to all follow the main points he discussed during his first speech outside Downing St. How bizarre.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: who is ted danson? on August 14, 2019, 12:56:57 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 14, 2019, 11:06:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg01im2yuJM

Maybe you can also ask Boris your questions Raist.

fuckin hell he looks rough
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Occam on August 14, 2019, 12:58:50 PM
Was thinking the same thing, he looks like someone punched his nose.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on August 14, 2019, 01:08:27 PM
Quote from: Occam on August 14, 2019, 12:58:50 PM
Was thinking the same thing, he looks like someone punched his nose.
Get drunk and fight with your wife at the pub like everyone else does and suddenly the good people of Britain can relate to you Mr. Prime Minister!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Raist on August 15, 2019, 07:56:57 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49352250

Quote
Jeremy Corbyn has urged the leaders of the other opposition parties and Tory rebels to install him as caretaker PM in order to stop a no-deal Brexit.

Green MP Caroline Lucas welcomed Mr Corbyn's call for a vote of no confidence but insisted a referendum must be held before any general election

Plaid Cymru's Westminster Leader Liz Saville Roberts said she welcomed any attempt to stop no-deal but said it was "disappointing" that he would not commit to calling a referendum before an election

The SNP's Westminster leader Ian Blackford said his party would support the principle of a no-confidence vote, but "there is no mechanism for a caretaker government at the moment"

Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson said she would not support making Mr Corbyn prime minister.
She called him "divisive" and said he would not command MPs' support.

Change UK leader Anna Soubry, who was not sent the letter, said Mr Corbyn "doesn't even command respect and support from his own party never mind across the political divide".

:picard :notlikethis

Never forget. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQEde7aFu_c&t=1m31s)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on August 15, 2019, 08:41:03 AM
https://twitter.com/Brexit/status/1161717487425261568 (https://twitter.com/Brexit/status/1161717487425261568)

 :brain
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 15, 2019, 12:49:16 PM
Can't get kicked out as PM over trying to do a no-deal Brexit if you already did the no-deal Brexit.  :rollsafe
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on August 15, 2019, 01:33:17 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 15, 2019, 08:41:03 AM
https://twitter.com/Brexit/status/1161717487425261568 (https://twitter.com/Brexit/status/1161717487425261568)

 :brain
:omfg
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on August 15, 2019, 05:51:58 PM
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1162046321483747329 (https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1162046321483747329)

Jeremy vs Boris really is the special olympics of politics :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: VomKriege on August 16, 2019, 05:57:11 AM
Bojo's Jezza Adventure
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on August 16, 2019, 05:50:55 PM
https://twitter.com/johnestevens/status/1162395844777304068 (https://twitter.com/johnestevens/status/1162395844777304068)

Next up, a caretaker PM contest for a position that may never exist  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Nintex on August 17, 2019, 12:34:05 PM
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1162462598203367425 (https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1162462598203367425)

"Please do not waste this precious time"
 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: shosta on August 17, 2019, 08:54:55 PM
Quote
Prime Minister Boris Johnson will tell French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel that the Westminster parliament cannot stop Brexit and a new deal must be agreed if Britain is to avoid leaving the EU without one.
Tell them? Why would they care?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: benjipwns on August 17, 2019, 08:59:19 PM
They should just e-mail the EU embassy with "We quit." and do literally nothing else and see what happens at this point.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on August 18, 2019, 02:48:40 AM
"We're going to leave!"

- OK

"For realsies!"

- Fine

"If you don't ask us to not leave like that we'll cut our own hands!"

- Sure

"We're really really really gonna do it!"

- Go ahead.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: shosta on August 18, 2019, 04:18:59 AM
https://twitter.com/ASLuhn/status/1158301376063180805

https://twitter.com/Peter__Leonard/status/1158298212568117248
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: VomKriege on August 18, 2019, 04:48:15 AM
Don't forget the footage of him returning to his favourite shitposting site with a dump of Ana Valens tweets.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: shosta on August 18, 2019, 05:04:06 AM
I'm going need a real dossier just to keep track of all these alters.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on August 18, 2019, 06:46:00 AM
https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1162852858565472256 (https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1162852858565472256)

 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: VomKriege on August 18, 2019, 07:20:14 AM
It's 2019 and a First World nuclear power is planning on dealing with self inflicted food and medecine shortages.

 :insane
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on August 19, 2019, 06:28:57 AM
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1163039609586180097 (https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1163039609586180097)

Quote
The Government has signed into law legislation to repeal the Act of Parliament which set in stone Britain’s EU (EEC) membership in 1972.

https://twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/1163392751360192517 (https://twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/1163392751360192517)

 :gbcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: team filler on August 19, 2019, 02:17:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8CqTDk7dFo

 :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 19, 2019, 03:02:58 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on August 18, 2019, 07:20:14 AM
It's 2019 and a First World nuclear power is planning on dealing with self inflicted food and medecine shortages.

 :insane

The situation seems bad, but let's not exaggerate too much.



Second World.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: team filler on August 19, 2019, 04:17:55 PM
https://twitter.com/AbbyMartin/status/1162077181729579009

 :heart :heart :heart
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: team filler on August 19, 2019, 04:29:27 PM
Quote from: filler on August 19, 2019, 02:17:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8CqTDk7dFo

 :trumps

https://twitter.com/JafariPeyman/status/1163356499063836672

https://twitter.com/KhalilAitblal/status/1163383390516797440

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Tripon on August 20, 2019, 12:37:24 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49402840

Quote
Boris Johnson has told the EU the backstop plan for the Irish border must be scrapped because it is "unviable" and "anti-democratic".

In a letter to European Council President Donald Tusk, the PM said the backstop - which aims to avoid a hard border - risked undermining the Northern Irish peace process.

If the plan was removed, Mr Johnson claimed a Brexit deal would be passed by parliament.

Brussels has not yet responded.

However, the EU has consistently insisted the backstop must remain part of the withdrawal agreement and cannot be changed.

In a phone conversation with Mr Johnson on Monday evening, Irish Taoiseach (prime minister) Leo Varadkar reiterated that the agreement could not be reopened and the backstop could not change.

lol at the 'technology' trying to replace a border. Boris really is trying to do Brexit without figuring out how to avoid a return to the IRA bombing shit left and right.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on August 20, 2019, 02:26:49 AM
I love that they keep simultaneously arguing that the backstop is problematic, yet those mysterious "technological solutions" would be very easy to implement :lol

And they wonder why the EU isn't taking them seriously.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on August 20, 2019, 05:45:08 AM
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1163718431239221249 (https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1163718431239221249)

 :brain
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: VomKriege on August 20, 2019, 07:28:12 AM
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 20, 2019, 07:31:32 AM
Ok marine
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: VomKriege on August 20, 2019, 09:53:05 AM
Rocket Man is at it again !

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49405499 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49405499)

 :juche
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Occam on August 20, 2019, 11:41:05 AM
Tusk tells Johnson to get fucked.

https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1163757521582116864?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on August 20, 2019, 05:02:26 PM
Quote from: Occam on August 20, 2019, 11:41:05 AM
Tusk tells Johnson to get fucked.

https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1163757521582116864?
The cheeky bastard has already responded

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1163860120419196928 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1163860120419196928)

a lot of oomph and optimism :gbcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on August 20, 2019, 05:19:08 PM
His haircut somehow got worse than it has ever been, just what the fuck is he doing in No10.
But at least it seems like he wasn't punched on the nose this weekend. That is progress I guess?

https://twitter.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1163869656454770688 (https://twitter.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1163869656454770688)

https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1163872079688720384 (https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1163872079688720384)

(http://www.sharegif.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/5-the-big-lebowski-quotes.gif)


Boris strategy
- Bluff
- Tell your opponent you are bluffing
- ???
- Brexit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 21, 2019, 12:45:52 AM
So drump cancelled his visit to Denmark because we don't want to talk about selling Greenland

Trump is legit mentally challenged

 :brain
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Occam on August 21, 2019, 03:22:26 AM
We've known this for years. Aside from several serious psychological disorders, there is something neurologically wrong with his brain. It's nearing expiration.

I wonder if years from now the morons who voted for him will ever feel a modicum of shame for having supported this man.
Probably not, it's easier to continue lying to yourself than admitting you are a moron.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: shosta on August 21, 2019, 05:53:52 AM
Yemen: Coalition Warships Attack Fishing Boats (https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/08/21/yemen-coalition-warships-attack-fishing-boats)

Using US weapons to deliberately starve civilian populations :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on August 21, 2019, 06:04:44 AM
https://twitter.com/wirereporter/status/1164113947877920768 (https://twitter.com/wirereporter/status/1164113947877920768)

The Germans are so done with this shit  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Occam on August 21, 2019, 10:58:23 AM
Hilarious. Trump should wait until November, though. It's about to get much cheaper.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on August 21, 2019, 11:17:41 AM
They actually worked out an offer for this totally not serious thing he was just looking at and a meeting that had nothing to do with it.  :lol
https://twitter.com/feliciasonmez/status/1163998499681263616 (https://twitter.com/feliciasonmez/status/1163998499681263616)

No wonder Trump is pissed at everything and everyone today. His deal to catch everyone off guard fell through.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on August 21, 2019, 01:00:04 PM
Boris throws "Wir Schaffen Das" back at Merkel. The phrase that pretty much haunted her ever since she said it  :lol
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1164215437028204544 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1164215437028204544)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: shosta on August 21, 2019, 10:24:53 PM
Quote
BERLIN (AP) — A German city that’s been the subject of a long-running online light-hearted conspiracy theory claiming it doesn’t really exist is offering big bucks to whoever proves that’s true.

Officials in Bielefeld said Wednesday they’ll give 1 million euros ($1.1 million) to the person who delivers solid proof of its non-existence.

They said there are “no limits to creativity” for entrants, but only incontrovertible evidence will qualify for the prize.

The idea that Bielefeld doesn’t exist was first floated by computer expert Achim Held, who posted the satirical claim on the Internet in 1994 in an effort to poke fun at online conspiracy theories.

Even German Chancellor Angela Merkel once jokingly cast doubt on the existence of Bielefeld, which is allegedly located about 330 kilometers (205 miles) west of Berlin.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on August 22, 2019, 10:40:28 AM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/dwp-u-turns-after-telling-18978226.amp?__twitter_impression=true


:rofl
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on August 22, 2019, 10:54:43 AM
So Boris went to Merkel and has been given 30 days by the Germans to come up with a serious solution for the backstop.
According to some Boris actually has a plan that involves getting Ireland to adopt a different set of customs rules that match the UK for a short while.
Of course Ireland has no interest whatsoever in doing this. The French and Germans are basically planning for a no-deal Brexit at this point.

Today he meets with Macron but Macron has already said 'non' and said yesterday that the UK would be nothing more than a 'vassal state of the US' if it continued down this path.

Meanwhile the Tories are exploring options for an election because Boris is eating the votes of the Brexit party and Labour is going down in the polls because Jeremy Corbyn.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: VomKriege on August 22, 2019, 04:58:33 PM
Quote from: Raist on August 22, 2019, 10:40:28 AM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/dwp-u-turns-after-telling-18978226.amp?__twitter_impression=true


:rofl

Quote
Other job suggestions on the same page included becoming a fortune-teller

Arguably worse than stripper job offers.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on August 22, 2019, 05:43:25 PM
Macron is also open to working with Boris to change the Brexit deal.

Another one in the "everyone hates Jeremy Corbyn" column
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Rufus on August 22, 2019, 08:23:18 PM
Why would they be negotiationg with Corbyn? :confused
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on August 23, 2019, 08:22:42 AM
Quote from: Rufus on August 22, 2019, 08:23:18 PM
Why would they be negotiationg with Corbyn? :confused
Corbyn's entire gamble is that Boris can't get a better deal and there will be a vote of no confidence. In that case he (as leader of the opposition) would be appointed caretaker PM to organize a 2nd referendum on Brexit and a general election.

If Merkel and Macron give Boris enough signals that the deal can be altered there won't be a vote of no confidence against him before the UK leaves on October 31st.
The expectation was that Merkel and especially Macron disliked Boris so much that they'd show him the door but that didn't happen.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: BisMarckie on August 23, 2019, 09:08:18 AM
lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 23, 2019, 09:44:28 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on August 22, 2019, 04:58:33 PM
Quote from: Raist on August 22, 2019, 10:40:28 AM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/dwp-u-turns-after-telling-18978226.amp?__twitter_impression=true


:rofl

Quote
Other job suggestions on the same page included becoming a fortune-teller

Arguably worse than stripper job offers.

But still better than British PM.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: BisMarckie on August 23, 2019, 09:52:31 AM
Why not both like the late Lord Palmerston?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on August 23, 2019, 10:18:32 AM
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1164636081750532096 (https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1164636081750532096)

 :brain
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: VomKriege on August 23, 2019, 05:12:46 PM
Macron has apparently just said that France opposed to advancing on the currently discussed Mercosur - EU trade deal because Bolsonaro "lied" about Brazil's commitments to the Paris Treaty.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 24, 2019, 02:26:32 AM
Boris cant get a better deal

The whole brexit talk should have started in the uk with them talking about how to solve the ireland issue lol

Now they are forever stuck between being in the eu/under our rules or splitting up the irelands

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: VomKriege on August 24, 2019, 02:27:00 AM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-environment-deploment/brazils-bolsonaro-will-send-army-to-fight-amazon-fires-governor-idUSKCN1VD2HG (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-environment-deploment/brazils-bolsonaro-will-send-army-to-fight-amazon-fires-governor-idUSKCN1VD2HG)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 24, 2019, 02:30:02 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on August 23, 2019, 05:12:46 PM
Macron has apparently just said that France opposed to advancing on the currently discussed Mercosur - EU trade deal because Bolsonaro "lied" about Brazil's commitments to the Paris Treaty.

Bolsenaro is an idiot but ill give him that its fucking ridiculous we talk so much about forests in Brazil when we cut down all our own

We need to start planting more here but I dont see people fighting for that...

Doesnt mean we should t pressure them but we cant rely on them gor our future. If a football field of forest burns every minute or is cut down we need to plant two a minute here on our lands.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Occam on August 24, 2019, 07:34:14 AM
Absolutely. Europe needs to start planting trees, as does America.
And we ("we" as in "all of mankind") need to get a project underway to terraform (geoengineer) the Sahara Desert.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on August 24, 2019, 08:36:17 AM
Quote from: Occam on August 24, 2019, 07:34:14 AM
Absolutely. Europe needs to start planting trees, as does America.
And we ("we" as in "all of mankind") need to get a project underway to terraform (geoengineer) the Sahara Desert.
Our country is actually launching such a plan. In fact, some projects are already underway.  8)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Tripon on August 24, 2019, 10:41:41 AM
https://twitter.com/bruce_croxon/status/1165271425709748224

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: OnlyRegret on August 24, 2019, 02:48:19 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 24, 2019, 08:36:17 AM
Quote from: Occam on August 24, 2019, 07:34:14 AM
Absolutely. Europe needs to start planting trees, as does America.
And we ("we" as in "all of mankind") need to get a project underway to terraform (geoengineer) the Sahara Desert.
Our country is actually launching such a plan. In fact, some projects are already underway.  8)

because otherwise your country is drowning, despite evolving to be tall enough to breath while submerged



Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on August 24, 2019, 07:13:13 PM
https://twitter.com/elisevonscheel/status/1165349376027443200 (https://twitter.com/elisevonscheel/status/1165349376027443200)

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Rufus on August 24, 2019, 07:42:24 PM
I'd say he's starting to strain believability, but Donald Trump exists, so...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: team filler on August 24, 2019, 11:34:32 PM
https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1165369130842808320
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: OnlyRegret on August 24, 2019, 11:35:48 PM
mimi>sarah,
k filler
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: team filler on August 25, 2019, 12:02:01 AM
https://twitter.com/Ventuckyspaz/status/1165415609493946368
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on August 25, 2019, 05:57:11 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECzT3VsXkAAbgjC?format=jpg&name=large)

:birb :clap :birb :clap :birb :clap :birb :clap :birb :clap :birb :clap :birb :clap :birb :clap

the left
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: VomKriege on August 25, 2019, 05:58:01 AM
Stepbrothers 2 looks shit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on August 25, 2019, 07:41:07 AM
Maybe they can serve them some rotten seafood :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on August 25, 2019, 09:57:38 AM
At the G7 Trump and Abe just reached a new trade agreement.
But the real photo-op this time is rumored to be a meeting between Trump and Zharif of Iran.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: VomKriege on August 25, 2019, 11:22:16 AM
Quote from: Nintex on August 25, 2019, 09:57:38 AM
At the G7 Trump and Abe just reached a new trade agreement.

"agree on principles of trade deal" according to Reuters, which is not exactly the same thing.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on August 25, 2019, 01:00:06 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on August 25, 2019, 11:22:16 AM
Quote from: Nintex on August 25, 2019, 09:57:38 AM
At the G7 Trump and Abe just reached a new trade agreement.

"agree on principles of trade deal" according to Reuters, which is not exactly the same thing.
That was earlier. They actually made a deal.
However it needs to pass congress and everything of course but Trump says it's a done deal.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1165664682952163328 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1165664682952163328)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Tripon on August 25, 2019, 01:28:49 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 25, 2019, 01:00:06 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on August 25, 2019, 11:22:16 AM
Quote from: Nintex on August 25, 2019, 09:57:38 AM
At the G7 Trump and Abe just reached a new trade agreement.

"agree on principles of trade deal" according to Reuters, which is not exactly the same thing.
That was earlier. They actually made a deal.
However it needs to pass congress and everything of course but Trump says it's a done deal.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1165664682952163328 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1165664682952163328)

According to that logic, TPP was a done deal.
USMCA aka NAFTA 2.0 is a done deal. Current era of congress sucks at actually looking at shit. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Mandark on August 25, 2019, 01:44:29 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 25, 2019, 01:00:06 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on August 25, 2019, 11:22:16 AM
Quote from: Nintex on August 25, 2019, 09:57:38 AM
At the G7 Trump and Abe just reached a new trade agreement.

"agree on principles of trade deal" according to Reuters, which is not exactly the same thing.
That was earlier. They actually made a deal.
However it needs to pass congress and everything of course but Trump says it's a done deal.

nintex, what is the point of telling lies like this on a forum where nobody believes your shit?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: VomKriege on August 25, 2019, 03:28:02 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 25, 2019, 01:00:06 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on August 25, 2019, 11:22:16 AM
Quote from: Nintex on August 25, 2019, 09:57:38 AM
At the G7 Trump and Abe just reached a new trade agreement.

"agree on principles of trade deal" according to Reuters, which is not exactly the same thing.
That was earlier. They actually made a deal.
However it needs to pass congress and everything of course but Trump says it's a done deal.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1165664682952163328 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1165664682952163328)

Reuters story still reads as such : "BIARRITZ, France (Reuters) - The United States and Japan agreed in principle on Sunday to core elements of a trade deal that U.S. President Donald Trump and Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said they hoped to sign in New York next month."
The Guardian says “We still have some remaining work that has to be done at the working level, namely finalizing the wording of the trade agreement and also finalizing the content of the agreement itself,” [Abe] said, through an interpreter.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: chronovore on August 26, 2019, 09:12:14 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on August 25, 2019, 05:58:01 AM
Stepbrothers 2 looks shit.

:rofl

 :'(
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Brehvolution on August 26, 2019, 10:27:25 AM
Quote from: Nintex on August 25, 2019, 05:57:11 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECzT3VsXkAAbgjC?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://i.imgur.com/f71xvvs.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on August 26, 2019, 01:16:45 PM
G7 pretty much wrapped up by now.
Macron did a good job hosting it this year. I don't suppose it'll help him much at home though.

Next year the G7 will be in Miami and Trump won't have to interrupt his golf weekend because he was quick to remind everyone his own golf resort in Florida is the best place to host the G7.  :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: kingv on August 27, 2019, 10:01:57 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on August 25, 2019, 03:28:02 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 25, 2019, 01:00:06 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on August 25, 2019, 11:22:16 AM
Quote from: Nintex on August 25, 2019, 09:57:38 AM
At the G7 Trump and Abe just reached a new trade agreement.

"agree on principles of trade deal" according to Reuters, which is not exactly the same thing.
That was earlier. They actually made a deal.
However it needs to pass congress and everything of course but Trump says it's a done deal.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1165664682952163328 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1165664682952163328)

Reuters story still reads as such : "BIARRITZ, France (Reuters) - The United States and Japan agreed in principle on Sunday to core elements of a trade deal that U.S. President Donald Trump and Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said they hoped to sign in New York next month."
The Guardian says “We still have some remaining work that has to be done at the working level, namely finalizing the wording of the trade agreement and also finalizing the content of the agreement itself,” [Abe] said, through an interpreter.

What other parts to a trade deal are there other than content and wording? 😂
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Rufus on August 27, 2019, 12:05:35 PM
Twitter likes, of course. The most important part.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Crash Dummy on August 28, 2019, 05:44:40 AM
oh boris https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49493632
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on August 28, 2019, 07:08:41 AM
Can't wait for the Queen to accept suspending Parliament so that the UK can FINALLY exit the undemocratic EUSSR :derp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on August 28, 2019, 08:07:01 AM
Shots fired (Loiseau is an MEP and former french Minister for European Affairs).

https://twitter.com/adamfleming/status/1166660943314608130
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: VomKriege on August 28, 2019, 08:56:26 AM
Raist is gonna be sent to the gallows  :point
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on August 28, 2019, 09:47:00 AM
I can get permanent residence rights whenever I want :yeshrug

Sorry to disappoint.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: benjipwns on August 28, 2019, 09:59:03 AM
time to suspend Parliament permanently, along with the rest of the state :punch
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: VomKriege on August 28, 2019, 10:10:51 AM
Quote from: Raist on August 28, 2019, 09:47:00 AM
I can get permanent residence rights whenever I want :yeshrug

Sorry to disappoint.

Are you planning to retire in the Sud-Ouest and vacation into Marbella too ?

(https://i.imgur.com/IeXC2wx.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on August 28, 2019, 10:12:45 AM
https://twitter.com/AngryScotland/status/1166712088640835585
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on August 28, 2019, 10:22:21 AM
Quote
Commons leader Jacob Rees-Mogg has been asked about the PM's move to suspend Parliament at Aberdeen Airport earlier today, after meeting the Queen.

He told the BBC that ministers are "certainly not" trying to avoid scrutiny from Parliament, and the suspension represented the “normal functioning of our constitution".

The decision to suspend Parliament ahead of a Queen’s Speech, he added, was a “completely proper constitutional procedure.”

 :iface
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 28, 2019, 10:26:58 AM
 :lol the UK is so messed up right now.  Really enjoying it. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: NekoFever on August 28, 2019, 10:44:02 AM
Quote from: Raist on August 28, 2019, 10:22:21 AM
Quote
Commons leader Jacob Rees-Mogg has been asked about the PM's move to suspend Parliament at Aberdeen Airport earlier today, after meeting the Queen.

He told the BBC that ministers are "certainly not" trying to avoid scrutiny from Parliament, and the suspension represented the “normal functioning of our constitution".

The decision to suspend Parliament ahead of a Queen’s Speech, he added, was a “completely proper constitutional procedure.”

 :iface

It's normal to suspend Parliament ahead of a Queen's Speech, but in 2016 it was suspended for four days, not 23.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on August 28, 2019, 10:46:20 AM
Yes, it's "normal", and just so happens to take place for far longer than usual, at the worst possible time.

It's all just a coincidence.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Rufus on August 28, 2019, 10:47:10 AM
Not to mention the timing.

edit: beat :'(
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: VomKriege on August 28, 2019, 11:05:57 AM
Not to downplay anything but it's been pretty clear for weeks (if not months) that it was gonna end in a no-deal by virtue of time over. There was only so many delays the EU could grant to be squandered again and again.

I don't know what the future holds but bonne chance England (her specifically), you'll need it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Brehvolution on August 28, 2019, 11:25:58 AM
There are people on facebook that are saying the fires in Brazil are bullshit and any images the news is showing are years old.   :duh
While also saying that people should do their research. :duh

WTF is wrong with people.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 28, 2019, 11:31:35 AM
A B.C. man who posted photos of himself feeding Timbits and hot dogs to bears on social media has been fined $2,000 and ordered to stay 50 metres away from bears for six months.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/timbits-feed-bear-fine-crime-bc-1.5262221
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: BisMarckie on August 28, 2019, 12:13:08 PM
So he was grooming them and didn’t even get to fuck them?

What a loser.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 28, 2019, 12:57:53 PM
I guess the Irish are back to their terroristic ways and I didn't see the news

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jun/07/new-ira-claims-responsibility-for-car-bomb-attempt
https://www.france24.com/en/20190819-northern-ireland-bomb-police-terrorism-ira-fermanagh-nationalist
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on August 28, 2019, 01:03:07 PM
Guess Jeremy's master plan of hailing a cab to visit the palace in case Boris would suspend parliament did not work  :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 28, 2019, 02:55:12 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on August 28, 2019, 11:31:35 AM
A B.C. man who posted photos of himself feeding Timbits and hot dogs to bears on social media has been fined $2,000 and ordered to stay 50 metres away from bears for six months.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/timbits-feed-bear-fine-crime-bc-1.5262221

Ain't no laws when you're feeding claws.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Akala on August 28, 2019, 03:07:07 PM
Brexit  :lol

If EU doesn't cave at all I think things work out OK. If they cave in or appease this BS at all it's going to end in ruin.

Quote from: Madrun Badrun on August 28, 2019, 12:57:53 PM
I guess the Irish are back to their terroristic ways and I didn't see the news

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jun/07/new-ira-claims-responsibility-for-car-bomb-attempt
https://www.france24.com/en/20190819-northern-ireland-bomb-police-terrorism-ira-fermanagh-nationalist

This is really interesting to me, it keeps getting brought up where peace collapses, etc. but who in Northern Ireland really wants to go back to troubles era? Pretty sure the young don't, is it just the ~30% that voted against the GFA? And their children, I guess? Like who wants to return to that? Need to look into more.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 28, 2019, 03:31:29 PM
I don't think the majority want to go back to violence but it only takes a few dead people for sides to start being formed and revenge attacks being justified; think the fact that it's so brittle a peace is what makes it scary.   
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: VomKriege on August 28, 2019, 04:52:26 PM
This week's Italian Cabinet is Lega free. :uguu

- It's true it's a difficult time for Italy, but it's also very exalting !
- Oh with you French people it's always about how Italian affairs are difficult but exalting.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: BisMarckie on August 28, 2019, 04:53:09 PM
I give this coalition about 8 weeks.

edit: Damn it, I missed your joke about it being this week‘s cabinet. :stahp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: kingv on August 28, 2019, 05:54:57 PM
I don’t think Brexits impact to the world economy has been priced into stocks at all.

Everyone thought they’d figure it out, but that looks very unlikely at this point.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on August 28, 2019, 05:59:03 PM
Quote from: kingv on August 28, 2019, 05:54:57 PM
I don’t think Brexits impact to the world economy has been priced into stocks at all.

Everyone thought they’d figure it out, but that looks very unlikely at this point.
I don't think anyone knows what would happen when a no-deal Brexit happens.

There have been scenario's and such but a EU member state has never left the block.
The biggest fear with Brexit was that it would act as a catalyst for more members leaving such as Italy.
But the English bungled it to a point that they torpedoed the 'leaving EU' plans in Italy, The Netherlands and elsewhere.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: BisMarckie on August 28, 2019, 06:03:14 PM
The Netherlands leaving would be pretty hilarious though.

Please do it
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on August 28, 2019, 06:08:05 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on August 28, 2019, 06:03:14 PM
The Netherlands leaving would be pretty hilarious though.

Please do it
I don't see it happening unless Brexit goes better than expected.

In fact with the way things our now with the opposition we'll probably have two or even three more Rutte governments.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: shosta on August 29, 2019, 04:02:04 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/1tS8lvj.png)

I like how long these are getting
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on August 29, 2019, 04:27:43 AM
That's a pretty good summary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjghJ6Dy6Do


Still confused? So is everyone here.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Propagandhim on August 29, 2019, 06:34:23 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on August 28, 2019, 04:52:26 PM
This week's Italian Cabinet is Lega free. :uguu

- It's true it's a difficult time for Italy, but it's also very exalting !
- Oh with you French people it's always about how Italian affairs are difficult but exalting.

Thank God.  People are desperate for some stability and investor confidence.  The yield on 10Y Italian BTP has dropped below 1% for the first time ever - the country is seemingly always in a political crisis, but these are especially bad macro figures for Italy.  The demographic crisis is scaring the shit out of everyone, but Salvini is not doing any favors for anyone.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on August 29, 2019, 09:11:52 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49509275

Quote
Ruth Davidson has quit as leader of the Scottish Conservatives after eight years in the job.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 29, 2019, 09:51:19 AM
Quote from: shosta on August 29, 2019, 04:02:04 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/1tS8lvj.png)

I like how long these are getting

(https://i.imgur.com/XDBLRvS.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: kingv on August 29, 2019, 10:39:28 AM
The real chart is “Britain is going to crash out in a month and will officially be in a recession end of Q4 2019”

Then the rest of the EU probably in a recession within 6 months.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on August 29, 2019, 01:55:26 PM
https://twitter.com/davemacladd/status/1167063105165299714 (https://twitter.com/davemacladd/status/1167063105165299714)

 :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: team filler on August 29, 2019, 02:14:55 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/lkPmfwk.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on August 29, 2019, 02:50:03 PM
https://twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1167131108418433024

:lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: team filler on August 29, 2019, 04:07:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2uIoZTWsIQ

manila swaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn  :noah
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on August 29, 2019, 06:00:36 PM
https://twitter.com/PeterStefanovi2/status/1166964394980532224


But remember, Brexit will happen, do or die, otherwise The People will lose their trust in politics and politicians :rofl
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: shosta on August 29, 2019, 06:09:59 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 29, 2019, 09:51:19 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/XDBLRvS.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/UqNBmuK.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 30, 2019, 06:55:19 PM
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1167528494303252480

:dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on August 31, 2019, 06:40:32 AM
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1167704061245886465 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1167704061245886465)

such an inspiration for the youngsters  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 31, 2019, 09:40:05 AM
Should have stuck with making kitchen tiles.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on August 31, 2019, 12:47:09 PM
https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1167812223630225409 (https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1167812223630225409)
 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: VomKriege on August 31, 2019, 02:23:02 PM
Story time : A friend of mine, who lives in the same city, was approached by a man who founded an association regarding some local matters (security, sanitation, etc...). My guy is a bit invested in this so why not. He gets an invitation to a nearby restaurant supposedly to discuss about the association's mission, gets there. Turns out it was a meeting for Macron's party settling some interparty business for next elections. My friend get presented by the dude who invited him to the head of the local chapter with a loud "This is [X] and he's very interested in joining us !". Didn't say anything on the spot but was a bit miffed.

It's purely anecdotal and Macron isn't especially popular round those parts so I get why they're so aggressive but I guess we needed a break from those BoJo's Twitter stories.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on August 31, 2019, 02:27:51 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on August 31, 2019, 02:23:02 PM
Story time : A friend of mine, who lives in the same city, was approached by a man who founded an association regarding some local matters (security, sanitation, etc...). My guy is a bit invested in this so why not. He gets an invitation to a nearby restaurant supposedly to discuss about the association's mission, gets there. Turns out it was a meeting for Macron's party settling some interparty business for next elections. My friend get presented by the dude who invited him to the head of the local chapter with a loud "This is [X] and he's very interested in joining us !". Didn't say anything on the spot but was a bit miffed.

It's purely anecdotal and Macron isn't especially popular round those parts so I get why they're so aggressive but I guess we needed a break from those BoJo's Twitter stories.
Macron's party sounds even creepier than he looks in pictures.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on August 31, 2019, 04:11:40 PM
https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1167729471195164672


(https://i0.wp.com/www.tor.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/v-vendetta5.jpg?resize=740%2C305&type=vertical&ssl=1)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: team filler on August 31, 2019, 04:51:05 PM
https://twitter.com/KeejayOV2/status/1167812961701892096
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on August 31, 2019, 04:54:19 PM
Quote from: filler on August 31, 2019, 04:51:05 PM
https://twitter.com/KeejayOV2/status/1167812961701892096
Are they going to arrest Prince Andrew?  8)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: VomKriege on August 31, 2019, 05:01:55 PM
Quote from: Raist on August 31, 2019, 04:11:40 PM
https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1167729471195164672

BoJo went all in on Brexit to surf into the PM spot, I can see why he's so desperate to force this ASAP. It's still a high stakes gambit either way, there's a non zero chance that photo of him on a zipline as an Union Jack buffoon will illustrate the Encyclopedia entries for "The dissolution of the United Kingdom".
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: shosta on August 31, 2019, 05:09:23 PM
I'm at the point now where I hope the no-deal brexit does happen. The UK electorate needs a good spanking.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on August 31, 2019, 05:12:05 PM
The queen is popular so tying her into this makes pretty much any move from the opposition meaningless.

You gotta hand it to May, her stalling and horrible way of dealing with the negotiations and ruling out a second referendum or another election nearly made 'stay' in the EU the only option.
She just could never say it publicly because public opinion kept stuck on leave.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Rufus on August 31, 2019, 05:26:01 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 31, 2019, 05:12:05 PM
She just could never say it publicly because public opinion kept stuck on leave.
link
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: team filler on August 31, 2019, 05:28:15 PM
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1167909165328551936
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: benjipwns on September 01, 2019, 01:33:58 AM
Quote
"We are not Nazis," Mike Moncsek, a member of the AfD's executive board in Saxony, assured the crowd in Mittweida.
perfect, we got it in one, print the bumper stickers and signs
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 01, 2019, 06:01:38 AM
Quote from: filler on August 31, 2019, 05:28:15 PM
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1167909165328551936
Quote
The son is in DC, met with Trump, & a US official said he couldn't understand his English:
This doesn't say if the son didn't understand POTUS English or if POTUS didn't understand mini-Bolsonaro English.

Both of which could've happened in the year of our lord 2019.  :doge

All in all Bolsonaro seems woefully unqualified to be President of a country, stressed out 99% of the time and in over his head.
Which is sort of a weird thing to see in the age with leaders like Boris and Trump.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Kunai With Chain on September 01, 2019, 07:37:49 AM
https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1168103617443913728

Looks like the Israelis are doing their best to start another war. Imagine if it's just a pre-election gambit? Wonderful people.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 01, 2019, 08:04:33 AM
Israel and Hezbollah have been talking shit for years now. They mobilize, they threaten, they shoot 3 times, accidentally hit a teenager and they retreat.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: VomKriege on September 01, 2019, 08:04:36 AM
Quote from: Kunai With Chain on September 01, 2019, 07:37:49 AM
https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1168103617443913728

Looks like the Israelis are doing their best to start another war. Imagine if it's just a pre-election gambit? Wonderful people.

Are they though ? Israel shelling or conducting air raids in border regions with total impunity has become a fact of life.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 01, 2019, 08:08:16 AM
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1167906324991991808 (https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1167906324991991808)

The hate boner these people have for Jeremy Corbyn.  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Kunai With Chain on September 01, 2019, 08:27:12 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on September 01, 2019, 08:04:36 AM
Quote from: Kunai With Chain on September 01, 2019, 07:37:49 AM
https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1168103617443913728

Looks like the Israelis are doing their best to start another war. Imagine if it's just a pre-election gambit? Wonderful people.

Are they though ? Israel shelling or conducting air raids in border regions with total impunity has become a fact of life.
How often does the Lebanese army get involved though? Once it became accepted that they could act with impunity in Syria, there seems to be a new clear drive by Israel in recent months to expand the scope of their strikes. When was the last time Beirut was bombed since the end of last war? Not to mention Iraq as well.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: VomKriege on September 01, 2019, 09:00:48 AM
Oh it's pretty bad for sure. But you're probably right they cooled down for a while in Lebanon specifically.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Tripon on September 01, 2019, 03:48:43 PM
https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1168214445581058049
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: VomKriege on September 01, 2019, 04:52:22 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/08/india-citizenship-assam-nrc/597208/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/08/india-citizenship-assam-nrc/597208/)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: shosta on September 01, 2019, 05:42:44 PM
Ok, I'm calling it. Boris Johnson will refuse to comply with anti no-deal legislation.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 01, 2019, 05:44:31 PM
Quote from: shosta on September 01, 2019, 05:42:44 PM
Ok, I'm calling it. Boris Johnson will refuse to comply with anti no-deal legislation.
You are too late. Gove already said that the government would flat out ignore anything that comes from parliament.  :lol

In his new interview Boris says the public can either support him or side with (CHAOS!) Jeremy Corbyn.  :hmph
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: shosta on September 01, 2019, 05:49:39 PM
He's not ruling it out... which some people are interpreting as a bluff. But I think the fuckers are serious.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 01, 2019, 05:50:56 PM
Quote from: shosta on September 01, 2019, 05:49:39 PM
He's not ruling it out... which some people are interpreting as a bluff. But I think the fuckers are serious.
They just delivered an ultimatum to Hammond. Vote with the party next week or be expelled from the party.  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Tripon on September 02, 2019, 12:18:20 AM
https://twitter.com/CJE1946/status/1168376546190430208

Quote
UK house prices could crash by as much as a fifth if Boris Johnson pursues a no-deal Brexit, and the biggest falls would be in London and Northern Ireland, a leading accountancy firm has said.

Reflecting the potentially vulnerable state of the property market as Brexit looms, KPMG said house prices would fall by between 5.4% and 7.5% across different regions next year if a new agreement with Brussels was not in place by 31 October.

The analysis of average house prices across the country showed no deal could trigger a nationwide decline of about 6% in 2020 and that and a drop of between 10 and 20% was “not out of the question” if the market reacted more strongly than expected.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: kingv on September 02, 2019, 02:43:12 AM
Quote from: shosta on August 31, 2019, 05:09:23 PM
I'm at the point now where I hope the no-deal brexit does happen. The UK electorate needs a good spanking.

There going to get the wamp wamp.

Whenever I feel depressed about American politics, I’m like “well... I could live in the UK.” And that cheers me up a bit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on September 02, 2019, 08:02:28 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49549960

Quote
Boris Johnson is considering seeking an early general election if rebel Conservative MPs proceed with plans to try and block a no-deal Brexit.

The BBC understands "live discussions" are going on in No 10 about asking Parliament to approve a snap poll.

Political editor Laura Kuenssberg said it could happen as soon as Wednesday but no final decision had been taken.

Remember though, prorogation of parliament had nothing to do with trying to force no deal through, it was just a normal thing that happens all the time.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Crash Dummy on September 02, 2019, 08:19:53 AM
Quote from: Tripon on September 02, 2019, 12:18:20 AM
https://twitter.com/CJE1946/status/1168376546190430208

Quote
UK house prices could crash by as much as a fifth if Boris Johnson pursues a no-deal Brexit, and the biggest falls would be in London and Northern Ireland, a leading accountancy firm has said.

Reflecting the potentially vulnerable state of the property market as Brexit looms, KPMG said house prices would fall by between 5.4% and 7.5% across different regions next year if a new agreement with Brussels was not in place by 31 October.

The analysis of average house prices across the country showed no deal could trigger a nationwide decline of about 6% in 2020 and that and a drop of between 10 and 20% was “not out of the question” if the market reacted more strongly than expected.

oh noes

but seriously - the ft did an article on this a few months back and had quotes from lady who bought properties in central london in the Ł tens of thousands back in the 60s and 70s and basically said she could not give one fuck if the values dropped by even 10% given how much they are worth now and how much rental income they have and continue to generate for her
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on September 02, 2019, 12:04:47 PM
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1168545249536487425

 :brain :doge :brain
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 02, 2019, 01:14:15 PM
Quote from: Raist on September 02, 2019, 08:02:28 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49549960

Quote
Boris Johnson is considering seeking an early general election if rebel Conservative MPs proceed with plans to try and block a no-deal Brexit.

The BBC understands "live discussions" are going on in No 10 about asking Parliament to approve a snap poll.

Political editor Laura Kuenssberg said it could happen as soon as Wednesday but no final decision had been taken.

Remember though, prorogation of parliament had nothing to do with trying to force no deal through, it was just a normal thing that happens all the time.
A snap poll? it would have to be extremely snappy to get that done before October 31st.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 02, 2019, 01:44:29 PM
Oh Boris  :lol
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1168574982827446273 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1168574982827446273)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on September 02, 2019, 01:45:46 PM
"I'm happy with the progress on Brexit".

lol.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 02, 2019, 05:15:32 PM
Snap election on October 14th  :lol
https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1168629468052762624 (https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1168629468052762624)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: benjipwns on September 03, 2019, 03:01:39 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/8YBlZOI.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on September 03, 2019, 06:39:33 AM
The British constitution really is something else.

https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1168793262779437056
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Brehvolution on September 03, 2019, 09:22:30 AM
Quote from: Nintex on September 01, 2019, 06:01:38 AM
All in all Bolsonaro seems woefully unqualified to be President of a country, stressed out 99% of the time and in over his head.
Which is sort of a weird thing to see in the age with leaders like Boris and Trump.

Because he knows he will be strung up a tree in the public square for the horrors he reaped on the country. Another loud mouth phony who can gin up the votes, but when it comes to executing his plans, he doesn't want to face the backlash.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 03, 2019, 09:30:02 AM
Quote from: Raist on September 03, 2019, 06:39:33 AM
The British constitution really is something else.

https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1168793262779437056

It was the one thing we didn't want to happen.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on September 03, 2019, 09:42:35 AM
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1168880420143947780

:lol


https://twitter.com/kitty_donaldson/status/1168869888682811392
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: NekoFever on September 03, 2019, 11:19:15 AM
Philip Lee just crossed the floor and joined the Lib Dems in the middle of Johnson's statement lol

Government has no working majority anymore.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Rufus on September 03, 2019, 11:37:11 AM
Quote from: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-defection/uk-pm-johnson-loses-majority-in-parliament-after-lawmaker-defects-to-liberal-democrats-idUSKCN1VO1SX
“I have reached the conclusion that it is not possible to serve my constituents’ and country’s best interests as a Conservative Member of Parliament,” he said in a statement.

“This Conservative government is aggressively pursuing a damaging Brexit in unprincipled ways. It is putting lives and livelihoods at risk unnecessarily and it is wantonly endangering the integrity of the United Kingdom.”
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 03, 2019, 12:01:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWlxsDnPNiE
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 03, 2019, 12:53:20 PM
LMAO this is such a shit show

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1168913412472082432 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1168913412472082432)

 :lol

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1168933604644315136 (https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1168933604644315136)

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1168907620448649218 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1168907620448649218)

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: BisMarckie on September 03, 2019, 01:58:49 PM
If you want Farage as prime minister, that‘s how to achieve it. :snoop
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: kingv on September 03, 2019, 02:00:22 PM
Some of us want to relive the “Brexit negotiations are pretty good” meme.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 03, 2019, 02:27:49 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on September 03, 2019, 01:58:49 PM
If you want Farage as prime minister, that‘s how to achieve it. :snoop

Personally, I think every British prime minister should be named Nigel.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 03, 2019, 02:53:53 PM
https://twitter.com/PeterStefanovi2/status/1168959078351200257 (https://twitter.com/PeterStefanovi2/status/1168959078351200257)

https://twitter.com/stellacreasy/status/1168943096563994624 (https://twitter.com/stellacreasy/status/1168943096563994624)

Where's the OOMPH Boris :snob


Nigel has proposed a deal to Boris.

Back a no-deal Brexit and the Brexit Party won't run against Conservative candidates/contested seats (but ofc to seats held by Labour/Libdems etc.)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Rufus on September 03, 2019, 03:24:57 PM
Pinky promise to do what we want. In return, we'll give up all of our leverage. Sounds like a good deal.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on September 03, 2019, 04:01:10 PM
Ladies and gents, I give you the Leader of the House of Commons and Lord President of the Council.


https://twitter.com/alanmrice/status/1168970582941143045
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 03, 2019, 04:02:58 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/GreenAndPleasant/comments/cz613w/video_shrodingers_immigrant_is_both_taking_our/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 03, 2019, 05:11:33 PM
Keep an eye on this
https://twitter.com/StuartLWallace/status/1168528904593821697 (https://twitter.com/StuartLWallace/status/1168528904593821697)

This week it leaked that the previous Aramco chairman wanted to list Aramco in London or Hong Kong not New York (as the prince wants).
Now the chairman is replaced.

For the conspiracy minded.

Exchanges in play for the biggest IPO in history due in 2020.
Hong Kong (fucked up by protests)
London (fucked up by Brexit)
New York
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 03, 2019, 06:07:40 PM
Brexit will never end  :hmph

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1169001246239404033 (https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1169001246239404033)

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1169002165219864577 (https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1169002165219864577)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Trent Dole on September 03, 2019, 07:05:13 PM
Quote from: Nintex on September 03, 2019, 06:07:40 PM
Brexit will never end  :hmph
Brexit is the US 2016 Presidential Election of the UK, but somehow resulting in an even bigger dumpster fire. :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: curly on September 04, 2019, 01:09:10 AM
boris johnson is so fucking stupid honestly how the fuck did he become prime minister
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: benjipwns on September 04, 2019, 01:14:54 AM
I remember when he was Mayor of London and people made fun of him relentlessly then. So it's still kinda shocking that he kept failing upwards like this. Trump at least won voters over and made the party go along grudgingly at first, I'm going to need to read up about how Boris won over the party like this.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: kingv on September 04, 2019, 01:15:15 AM
I think he’s at least smarter than Trump.

But UK politics as a whole are far dumber.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: team filler on September 04, 2019, 01:36:31 AM
https://twitter.com/MichelleGhsoub/status/1169009281099808769
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on September 04, 2019, 03:58:58 AM
For those not aware with the UK cabinet's titles etc, the Chancellor of the Duchy is currently Michael Gove.

AKA the real Mr Bean.

(https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5bc71e6e1d000055003090c0.jpeg?ops=scalefit_630_noupscale)


Quote from: curly on September 04, 2019, 01:09:10 AM
boris johnson is so fucking stupid honestly how the fuck did he become prime minister

Voted in by a few thousand people.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on September 04, 2019, 04:43:54 AM
:dead

https://twitter.com/Andrew_Adonis/status/1169027053691330561
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 04, 2019, 08:00:14 AM
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1169214375564955649 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1169214375564955649)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Occam on September 04, 2019, 09:28:58 AM
Does this belong here? Or in the climate change thread?
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/sep/04/uk-facing-eu-outrage-over-timebomb-of-north-sea-oil-rigs
Quote
The British government is facing growing outrage from the European commission and five EU member states over its plans to leave some decommissioned oil rigs in the North Sea, with one senior German official describing the UK’s proposal as a “grotesque idea” that amounts to a “ticking timebomb”.

Several hundred oil drilling platforms in the North Sea are due to be decommissioned over the next three decades as they approach the end of their operational lifetime.
These people are insane.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on September 04, 2019, 10:10:40 AM
:rejoice

https://twitter.com/MrLukeJohnston/status/1169199674558992384
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 04, 2019, 12:26:54 PM
https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1169241315814596614 (https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1169241315814596614)

LMAO
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Rufus on September 04, 2019, 12:41:02 PM
Corbyn: let's block no-deal with a law, then call an election
Johnson: call the election right now you chicken, you blouse, you you

A cunning plan.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 04, 2019, 12:51:35 PM
Today summed up

(https://media.giphy.com/media/6mZGzF0G8CZTG/giphy.gif)

(https://i.makeagif.com/media/2-14-2016/q9X7lm.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 04, 2019, 01:44:39 PM
The lines are crossing!

https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1169304388663500800 (https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1169304388663500800)


When the cocaine hits

https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1169211755320545280 (https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1169211755320545280)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 04, 2019, 02:43:36 PM
Oops
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1169317929520963584 (https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1169317929520963584)

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1169310588360507392 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1169310588360507392)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Brehvolution on September 04, 2019, 02:45:51 PM
It's almost like some people are trying to pull a fast one. :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on September 04, 2019, 02:59:44 PM
So the reason that amendment passed, when it was not going to get much support on either side (since it argues in favour of bringing May's WA back), is that the "no" side (i.e. the government) did not provide tellers for the vote.

Yes, you read that right.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 04, 2019, 03:56:23 PM
Sounds like the bill to hold a general election won't pass.
So parliament is again at.

Nay:
- General Election before October 31st
- Brexit deal
- No-deal Brexit

Yay:
- Brexit extension
- General Election after October 31st

 :lol

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on September 04, 2019, 04:15:05 PM
Father of the House telling BoJo off :rejoice

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1169329227868430336
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 04, 2019, 04:21:41 PM
(https://preview.redd.it/eoutixcgpmk31.jpg?width=576&auto=webp&s=114756ed243086bcf7428af89065880dc84ce651)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: BisMarckie on September 04, 2019, 04:24:47 PM
Quote from: Stro on September 04, 2019, 03:51:50 PM
British parliament looks and sounds like a bunch of ugly, sweaty drunks bellowing across the room at each other before they pass out.

It looks so cozy in there :heart
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 04, 2019, 04:39:28 PM
They're all having a laugh now that someone has proposed a motion of no confidence against her majesty's opposition  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on September 04, 2019, 04:39:49 PM
:lol

https://twitter.com/stephenkb/status/1169325343192342528


FYI, the Lords supporting the Government have planned a wonderful session of filibustering by preparing over 90 amendments to the bill...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 05, 2019, 04:04:35 AM
Today Bojo might try to set-up a vote of no-confidence against his own government to trigger an election  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: NekoFever on September 05, 2019, 04:46:52 AM
Quote from: Raist on September 04, 2019, 04:39:49 PM
:lol

https://twitter.com/stephenkb/status/1169325343192342528


FYI, the Lords supporting the Government have planned a wonderful session of filibustering by preparing over 90 amendments to the bill...

Depending on how long it takes, we might see the Lords exercising their genuine power to decide what day it is by not adjourning and therefore being able to legally declare it to be Wednesday indefinitely.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on September 05, 2019, 05:06:26 AM
Quote from: NekoFever on September 05, 2019, 04:46:52 AM
Quote from: Raist on September 04, 2019, 04:39:49 PM
:lol

https://twitter.com/stephenkb/status/1169325343192342528


FYI, the Lords supporting the Government have planned a wonderful session of filibustering by preparing over 90 amendments to the bill...

Depending on how long it takes, we might see the Lords exercising their genuine power to decide what day it is by not adjourning and therefore being able to legally declare it to be Wednesday indefinitely.


It's already over. The filibustering Lords have given in during the night - the bill should pass before Friday 5pm.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 05, 2019, 05:09:16 AM
The dumbest thing Boris did was kick out party members for voting against him.
Some might've actually supported a general election
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on September 05, 2019, 05:35:47 AM
Quote from: Nintex on September 05, 2019, 05:09:16 AM
The dumbest thing Boris did was kick out party members for voting against him.
Some might've actually supported a general election

That would have not changed a thing.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: NekoFever on September 05, 2019, 05:42:12 AM
Quote from: Raist on September 05, 2019, 05:06:26 AM
It's already over. The filibustering Lords have given in during the night - the bill should pass before Friday 5pm.

Ah, good. Cue paranoia about whether they did it to give more time for arguing for an election.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 05, 2019, 05:49:32 AM
Quote from: Raist on September 05, 2019, 05:35:47 AM
Quote from: Nintex on September 05, 2019, 05:09:16 AM
The dumbest thing Boris did was kick out party members for voting against him.
Some might've actually supported a general election

That would have not changed a thing.
It would've showed the party he was reasonable.
Kicking out the grandson of churchill just added more drama and contributed nothing
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on September 05, 2019, 06:03:58 AM
If there was ever any doubt remaining, Dominic Cummings, key adviser to BoJo, is indeed insane :lol

Quote
A lot has been written and said about Dominic Cummings, the former campaign director of Vote Leave, since he became an adviser to No 10.

Matt Sanders, a former special adviser to ex-deputy prime minister Nick Clegg shared an office with Mr Cummings, who was then working working for Michael Gove.

"I think it's definitely true that Dominic is someone who relishes a fight," he says. "The defining characteristic of Dominic is that he's at his best when he's fighting someone.

"In (his time at the department of) education he kind of invented this enemy, he called it 'the blob' - basically anyone who disagreed with him.

"I think what we now see is him basically creating an enemy so that he can really roll his sleeves up and get involved in a fight. But it's very surprising for lots of people to see that the enemy he's picked seems to be the party he's working for alongside of course the EU, Remain voters.

"And that's something Dominic's going to be really enjoying."
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: VomKriege on September 05, 2019, 06:24:29 AM
Le Mammouth de l'Education Nationale. :yeshrug
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 05, 2019, 07:32:04 AM
Bojo's brother resigned lmao
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Ghoul on September 05, 2019, 07:43:39 AM
UK politics making the USA look good.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: jorma on September 05, 2019, 09:27:22 AM
Quote from: Ghoul on September 05, 2019, 07:43:39 AM
UK politics making the USA look good.

are they though?

If you think about it, they are sending a really strong "remain" message to the rest of EU, and that's a good thing!  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: jorma on September 05, 2019, 09:29:39 AM
Quote from: Ghoul on September 05, 2019, 07:43:39 AM
UK politics making the USA look good.


Republican congressman Steve King claimed he drank from a toilet in a migrant detention center during a town hall ...

"I actually went into that cell where it was reported that [migrants] were advised they had to drink out of the toilet. I took a drink out of there. And actually pretty good!"


 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 05, 2019, 09:31:17 AM
What exactly is the plan from the anti-no deal Brexit crew? I get that BoJo and friends are just trying to run out the clock, but what is the other side hoping for here?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Ghoul on September 05, 2019, 09:44:03 AM
Quote from: jorma on September 05, 2019, 09:27:22 AM
Quote from: Ghoul on September 05, 2019, 07:43:39 AM
UK politics making the USA look good.

are they though?

If you think about it, they are sending a really strong "remain" message to the rest of EU, and that's a good thing!  :doge

The message they're really sending are strong dog using a laptop vibes


Quote from: jorma on September 05, 2019, 09:29:39 AM
Quote from: Ghoul on September 05, 2019, 07:43:39 AM
UK politics making the USA look good.


Republican congressman Steve King claimed he drank from a toilet in a migrant detention center during a town hall ...

"I actually went into that cell where it was reported that [migrants] were advised they had to drink out of the toilet. I took a drink out of there. And actually pretty good!"


 :lol :lol :lol

Yeah the UK maybe one step above that tbh!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Rufus on September 05, 2019, 09:55:59 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 05, 2019, 09:31:17 AM
What exactly is the plan from the anti-no deal Brexit crew? I get that BoJo and friends are just trying to run out the clock, but what is the other side hoping for here?
Win majority as Tories implode (and Brexit party doesn't surge, fingers crossed). Call the farce off, have another referendum, or actually negotiahahaha. :rofl
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: jorma on September 05, 2019, 09:59:59 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 05, 2019, 09:31:17 AM
What exactly is the plan from the anti-no deal Brexit crew? I get that BoJo and friends are just trying to run out the clock, but what is the other side hoping for here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCEjeTb1rrs
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: kingv on September 05, 2019, 10:04:25 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 05, 2019, 09:31:17 AM
What exactly is the plan from the anti-no deal Brexit crew? I get that BoJo and friends are just trying to run out the clock, but what is the other side hoping for here?

From my outsider perspective they are basically going full Nancy no-backbone Pelosi.

They don’t actually say “we want to remain” because they don’t want to piss off the leavers, but they want to remain.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 05, 2019, 01:53:03 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 05, 2019, 09:31:17 AM
What exactly is the plan from the anti-no deal Brexit crew? I get that BoJo and friends are just trying to run out the clock, but what is the other side hoping for here?
Another extension so a magical new deal can be sorted and an election can be held and they can pursue remain options.

But the problem has always been that some brexiteers don't support a negotiated "deal brexit" and want to crash out. some remainers want a second referendum but only on remain or may's deal and not a no-deal or new deal.

And now some want a general election but only if no deal is ruled out and Boris resigns first. And others don't want an election. Because Boris would hold onto tory seats, Farage would take weak labor seats and not challenge conservatives. But only if Boris runs on a no-deal.

The risk Corbyn is taking now is that not Boris would win but Farage. So for the opposition endless obstruction and kicking down the can is the only viable option and for Boris crashing out ASAP
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on September 05, 2019, 03:04:25 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 05, 2019, 09:31:17 AM
What exactly is the plan from the anti-no deal Brexit crew? I get that BoJo and friends are just trying to run out the clock, but what is the other side hoping for here?


I've got some insider info on "the plan"

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Here's the plan

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Ready?

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:yeshrug
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Kunai With Chain on September 05, 2019, 03:36:27 PM
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1169651198770782208

Jesus, and people think Biden or Trump are bad in the mental department.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: curly on September 05, 2019, 04:16:47 PM
https://twitter.com/sturdyAlex/status/1169664123745054727
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 05, 2019, 04:32:38 PM
Jesus christ
https://twitter.com/davemacladd/status/1169661176105639937 (https://twitter.com/davemacladd/status/1169661176105639937)

https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedUK/status/1169654159840337920 (https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedUK/status/1169654159840337920)

https://twitter.com/TIME/status/1169694244111601666 (https://twitter.com/TIME/status/1169694244111601666)

Thank you for keeping this man in power Jeremy  :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: who is ted danson? on September 05, 2019, 05:21:40 PM
Theresa May -> Boris Johnson is the best thing ever. It was obvious we were moving even further down the competence ladder... but we were so deep into the abyss with May, how much worse can it get?

Much, much worse.

And its bloody brilliant.  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Kunai With Chain on September 06, 2019, 07:55:18 AM
https://twitter.com/MattGarrahan/status/1169720609095462913

 :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 06, 2019, 08:01:56 AM
Quote from: Kunai With Chain on September 06, 2019, 07:55:18 AM
https://twitter.com/MattGarrahan/status/1169720609095462913

 :dead

Quote from: Nintex on September 05, 2019, 04:04:35 AM
Today Bojo might try to set-up a vote of no-confidence against his own government to trigger an election  :doge
I made this up  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Brehvolution on September 06, 2019, 08:48:54 AM
No one should have confidence in any conservative government no matter which country.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 06, 2019, 08:57:22 AM
Quote from: Brehvolution on September 06, 2019, 08:48:54 AM
No one should have confidence in any conservative government no matter which country.
:hmph
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: BisMarckie on September 06, 2019, 09:18:59 AM
Quote from: Brehvolution on September 06, 2019, 08:48:54 AM
No one should have confidence in any conservative government no matter which country.

I have more trust in the German conservatives than in the Green party, the left or these wacky libertarians.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 06, 2019, 09:55:13 AM
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1169928730652733440 (https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1169928730652733440)

 :yeshrug
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Ghoul on September 06, 2019, 09:59:19 AM
Quote from: Nintex on September 06, 2019, 09:55:13 AM
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1169928730652733440 (https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1169928730652733440)

 :yeshrug

What the actual fuck is that? They basically stole a sun frontpage.

 :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: team filler on September 06, 2019, 10:11:20 AM
the comments have some good stuff too  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 06, 2019, 10:21:55 AM
https://twitter.com/jrmaidment/status/1169972280736321537 (https://twitter.com/jrmaidment/status/1169972280736321537)

LMAO
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: chronovore on September 06, 2019, 10:22:56 AM
https://twitter.com/beffernieblack/status/1169703149906649091
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on September 06, 2019, 11:15:03 AM
Even KFC is telling tories to fuck off :lol

https://twitter.com/KFC_UKI/status/1169970678658998277
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 06, 2019, 11:42:22 AM
Why Boris is doing this
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1169607030237204480 (https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1169607030237204480)

https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1169607585424691201 (https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1169607585424691201)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Rufus on September 06, 2019, 12:08:10 PM
:lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 06, 2019, 12:41:47 PM
https://twitter.com/Rschooley/status/1169717663825723392
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 06, 2019, 12:49:57 PM
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1170005038909067264 (https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1170005038909067264)

We need bojo emoji's  :lol


A statement from the EU
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1169999949855019008 (https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1169999949855019008)
Sounds like they're not really feeling this 'extension' thing :idont
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Kunai With Chain on September 06, 2019, 02:17:27 PM
Corbyn running from an election after spending last year trying to force one is pretty weak tbh, the polls must have them worried.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Rufus on September 06, 2019, 02:25:03 PM
Can't risk the shiny 'no no-deal' law getting promptly overturned, I suppose. Which makes me wonder what's next. Another referendum isn't going to look much better.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 06, 2019, 06:14:56 PM
Quote from: Rufus on September 06, 2019, 02:25:03 PM
Can't risk the shiny 'no no-deal' law getting promptly overturned, I suppose. Which makes me wonder what's next. Another referendum isn't going to look much better.
Boris will ignore the extension law passed by parliament because he can't alone decide on a delay the EU has to support it.

The only thing the opposition can do is support an election but they won't because they will lose their vulnerable seats to Farage if they run on a remain or delay platform. So parliament will shutdown for a bit until the queen's speech.
Boris will fly to Brussels to get a 'deal' and the EU will kindly tell him to stuff it because he hasn't send anything to Merkel or Macron in terms of new proposals when they gave him the opportunity to do so.
Regardless the Germans and French have together cobbled up a new deal for Boris to take back home. The sum the UK has to pay is lowered a bit and the terms are more favorable, however the backstop is unchanged.

Boris will return with this new deal from Brussels. The house will vote on the brexit deal again.
The deal doesn't pass because of the backstop, Corbyn doesn't want to risk an election and even if he wanted to at that point there is no longer time to arrange anything.
Boris leaves the EU without a deal as soon as the house votes the deal down.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: kingv on September 06, 2019, 07:00:20 PM
I still think crashing out no deal is the most likely result.

Only thing dumber than U.K. politics are U.K. voters. How dumb are these people sitting here and saying “crashing out of the EU will be fine.”

Of course, three years from now they’ll claw their way back to 2% growth and BoJo will he saying “see? it was all worth it!”
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 06, 2019, 08:05:50 PM
Quote from: kingv on September 06, 2019, 07:00:20 PM
I still think crashing out no deal is the most likely result.

Only thing dumber than U.K. politics are U.K. voters. How dumb are these people sitting here and saying “crashing out of the EU will be fine.”

Of course, three years from now they’ll claw their way back to 2% growth and BoJo will he saying “see? it was all worth it!”
I don't think it'll be that much of a disaster. The worst effects will be remedied with a series of smaller deals shortly after the UK has left.
Plus as Mike Pence said: "Once the UK is out, the US comes in".

The Germans and French simply won't allow a rogue banking center in a trade pact with the US next to the shores of continental Europe without a framework of laws and regulations.
Boris and his cabal can make the UK very competitive when 'everything goes' and austerity has pretty much been replaced with excessive spending by the Bojo government anyway.
A pay increase for teachers, 20k additional cops, billions for the NHS/defence and other stuff.

Also do not forget that the EU's trademark policy on any subject is kicking the can down the road. Things could still proceed 'as normal' while the UK is officially out on a number of levels.
For the EU this was never about the UK leaving (the UK was always holding back further EU integration and the Euro in favor of London) but about keeping countries like Italy and Greece in by showing what would happen if you leave.
That strategy has been successful. Britain lost 2 PM's over Brexit and the two establishment parties are in shambles at the same time the EU has shown how difficult it is too leave.
Despite the economy stalling the appetite for leaving the EU has been diminished in other member states.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: benjipwns on September 07, 2019, 02:56:07 AM
(https://e3.365dm.com/19/09/768x432/skynews-edinburgh-boris-johnson_4766000.jpg?20190905171705)
(https://i1.wp.com/metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/PRI_834102731.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=540%2C405&ssl=1)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 07, 2019, 08:27:19 AM
The media is warming up to the idea of a general election and Corbyn vs. Boris debates.

Boris has said that he will ignore the no-deal law.
The opposition have said that they will challenge him legally on it.

But again they're running out of time. Boris can ignore it on October 31st and they'd be out of the EU.
So even if they successfully legally challenge him, it doesn't really matter.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 07, 2019, 12:19:37 PM
What even is happening anymore.

https://twitter.com/ParkerCiccone/status/1170337236086394880 (https://twitter.com/ParkerCiccone/status/1170337236086394880)


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Tripon on September 07, 2019, 01:38:11 PM
The Tories not being able to pick a competent leader ever since they took back power (I'm counting Cameron in all this because he was the idiot that allowed a Brexit vote to take place in the first place) seems to be one of the understated stories of the past decade.

I'm just an ignorant American, but what exactly do the British people see in the Tories that they trust them to run things smoothly/competently, when uh, they haven't in the past decade.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 07, 2019, 01:42:17 PM
Quote from: Tripon on September 07, 2019, 01:38:11 PM
The Tories not being able to pick a competent leader ever since they took back power (I'm counting Cameron in all this because he was the idiot that allowed a Brexit vote to take place in the first place) seems to be one of the understated stories of the past decade.

I'm just an ignorant American, but what exactly do the British people see in the Tories that they trust them to run things smoothly/competently, when uh, they haven't in the past decade.
Tony Blair and Gordon Brown traumatized the nation.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: kingv on September 07, 2019, 02:19:09 PM
Quote from: Tripon on September 07, 2019, 01:38:11 PM
The Tories not being able to pick a competent leader ever since they took back power (I'm counting Cameron in all this because he was the idiot that allowed a Brexit vote to take place in the first place) seems to be one of the understated stories of the past decade.

I'm just an ignorant American, but what exactly do the British people see in the Tories that they trust them to run things smoothly/competently, when uh, they haven't in the past decade.


My complete uneducated Nintex-level hot take:
 From the polling, it seems like 54% of the U.K. voters are dumb chavs. It’s like the trump voter problem but even worse there. Like we always talk about American Exceptionalism being kind of a problem that sort of holds us back, and America has this kind of dumb western cowboy romanticism vein running through it where everything we do is right and everything that happen to you is your fault, good or bad.

It seems to me we actually inherited that attitude from the British and sort of twisted it and actually there it might even be worse. They seem to have this strong vein of “we had an empire that the sun never set on, and can bloody well do it again because we put the Great in Great Britain”. But it seems far more prevalent than it is here. In the US those people exist, and they are loud, but far from a majority.

And the reason it’s worse there? More white people.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 07, 2019, 02:45:15 PM
People didn't much participate in politics anymore outside of the party zealots because it was all the same. Voter apathy made Cameron feel confident enough that not enough people would vote in the referendum and if they did they would all vote remain anyway.
He outsmarted Farage at that point and made UKIP obsolete. 

But here's the thing. The recession had also hit Britain hard and some industries, towns and public services, much like elsewhere in the western world had been completely decimated.
Jobs have really moved to China, Poland and other countries. EU regulations have really made part of Britain less competitive on the global market. And austerity is at the center of all of these problems.

Cameron had counted on Farage to run a 'radical' leave campaign. But he didn't expect as many other politicians to run a leave campaign as well, most notably Boris Johnson. Who considered this an opportunity to prepare himself for a challenge against Cameron for the party leadership and end austerity. As soon as this happened Brexit went global. Politicians like Merkel and Obama started to 'interfere' and started giving out their opinions on how the UK should vote. Further fueling the anti-establishment sentiment.

On this backdrop the voters expressed their anger and they did so by voting to leave the EU. A vote against all the bankers, politicians and elite who told them to vote remain. And tons of people who hadn't voted in a long time and haven't voted since voted in the referendum to leave the EU.

Globalism has really left a lot of people, mostly the lower educated in the cities behind. Families that lost cars, homes and relationships that were formerly part of the 'middle class'.
Leaving the EU was a big middle finger to the political establishment that had ruined them.

Bailing out the middle class of America and Europe would've been a 'drop in the bucket' so to speak but governments the world over choose to ignore the plight of their citizens and only save the institutions and corporations.
After all real political power came from those institutions and corporations and not the voters at the ballot box.

Boris, Farage and friends made a critical miscalculation as well. They figured that Cameron already had a plan in place in case the people would vote to leave.
No one ever anticipated he would simply walk away so no one ever gave any thought to what a policy on leaving the EU would actually look like.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 07, 2019, 05:55:44 PM
So uuhh any predictions?

https://twitter.com/michaelsavage/status/1170439755701596162 (https://twitter.com/michaelsavage/status/1170439755701596162)

Amber Rudd resigned btw
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Tripon on September 07, 2019, 07:24:01 PM
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1170306679638036480

What I imagined Lord MacDonald looked like.

(https://c7.alamy.com/comp/CB4CYM/thailand-bangkok-mcdonalds-ronald-macdonald-statue-in-thai-greeting-CB4CYM.jpg)

What he actually likes like.

(https://www.matrixlaw.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Macdonal_K-saturated_BW_IndMem.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: BisMarckie on September 07, 2019, 07:31:03 PM
Ronald not looking good these days.  :-\
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 08, 2019, 08:19:49 AM
https://twitter.com/lbcbreaking/status/1170623967146717191 (https://twitter.com/lbcbreaking/status/1170623967146717191)

France just destroyed the hope and dreams of the opposition :mynicca

That's the thing that the UK parliament continues to fail to understand, it is not just up to them how and when they leave but all EU members and they're sick of this shit.
Either they sign the deal, Boris gets a few concessions and they sign that deal or they just fuck off.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Rufus on September 08, 2019, 10:00:08 AM
"in current circumstances"

Circumstances can still change. :larry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: kingv on September 08, 2019, 10:21:23 AM
Quote from: Nintex on September 06, 2019, 08:05:50 PM
Quote from: kingv on September 06, 2019, 07:00:20 PM
I still think crashing out no deal is the most likely result.

Only thing dumber than U.K. politics are U.K. voters. How dumb are these people sitting here and saying “crashing out of the EU will be fine.”

Of course, three years from now they’ll claw their way back to 2% growth and BoJo will he saying “see? it was all worth it!”
I don't think it'll be that much of a disaster. The worst effects will be remedied with a series of smaller deals shortly after the UK has left.
Plus as Mike Pence said: "Once the UK is out, the US comes in".

The Germans and French simply won't allow a rogue banking center in a trade pact with the US next to the shores of continental Europe without a framework of laws and regulations.
Boris and his cabal can make the UK very competitive when 'everything goes' and austerity has pretty much been replaced with excessive spending by the Bojo government anyway.
A pay increase for teachers, 20k additional cops, billions for the NHS/defence and other stuff.

Also do not forget that the EU's trademark policy on any subject is kicking the can down the road. Things could still proceed 'as normal' while the UK is officially out on a number of levels.
For the EU this was never about the UK leaving (the UK was always holding back further EU integration and the Euro in favor of London) but about keeping countries like Italy and Greece in by showing what would happen if you leave.
That strategy has been successful. Britain lost 2 PM's over Brexit and the two establishment parties are in shambles at the same time the EU has shown how difficult it is too leave.
Despite the economy stalling the appetite for leaving the EU has been diminished in other member states.

I don’t how you can look at that Italy and Greece situation and come to the conclusion that the EU is going to do the altruistic thing and cut Britain a cozy deal.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Occam on September 08, 2019, 11:25:13 AM
Yeah, that's nonsense.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: kingv on September 08, 2019, 04:10:38 PM
Imo there’s going to be a strong push from Germany/France to not do a damn thing for the U.K. until they come to them hat in hand. Frankly, I think France/Germany will be happy to bet that they can shift the Financial capital of the EU into Paris/some German city.

There’s no way Greece, Spain,  and Italy are going to be like “oh let’s rescue these dudes after we’ve been gang fucked for a decade”.

Yeah, the U.K. leaving will be bad for the whole EU, but it will be worse for Britain, and to some countries that will be the only thing that matters.

And the us is going to do... what exactly? Roll back tariffs on the U.K. back to where they were in 2017?

That is not going to save them.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Tripon on September 08, 2019, 04:22:14 PM
Quote from: kingv on September 08, 2019, 04:10:38 PM
Imo there’s going to be a strong push from Germany/France to not do a damn thing for the U.K. until they come to them hat in hand. Frankly, I think France/Germany will be happy to bet that they can shift the Financial capital of the EU into Paris/some German city.

There’s no way Greece, Spain,  and Italy are going to be like “oh let’s rescue these dudes after we’ve been gang fucked for a decade”.

Yeah, the U.K. leaving will be bad for the whole EU, but it will be worse for Britain, and to some countries that will be the only thing that matters.

And the us is going to do... what exactly? Roll back tariffs on the U.K. back to where they were in 2017?

That is not going to save them.

No, the U.S. will make a bilateral trade deal that will benefit the U.S. as much as possible. Trump said as much. Trump always looks for a 'win', or he sabotages the process so he doesn't 'lose.' Just look at how much of a headache trade negotiations are going with China, a country with much more power to negotiate fair terms with the U.S. Or with the EU and US trade relations as well, there's always the threats of tariffs when Trump gets into one of his moods. The UK is going to get fucked in any such negotiations. The United States has no reason to do favors for the UK.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Occam on September 08, 2019, 04:27:23 PM
Quote from: kingv on September 08, 2019, 04:10:38 PM
Imo there’s going to be a strong push from Germany/France to not do a damn thing for the U.K. until they come to them hat in hand. Frankly, I think France/Germany will be happy to bet that they can shift the Financial capital of the EU into Paris/some German city.

There’s no way Greece, Spain,  and Italy are going to be like “oh let’s rescue these dudes after we’ve been gang fucked for a decade”.

Yeah, the U.K. leaving will be bad for the whole EU, but it will be worse for Britain, and to some countries that will be the only thing that matters.

And the us is going to do... what exactly? Roll back tariffs on the U.K. back to where they were in 2017?

That is not going to save them.

Agreed, except that it'll most likely be good for the remaining EU in the long run because the one nation that's been vetoing further European integration for decades will be gone at last.

As recent events have shown, Great Britain is governed by the biggest morons you could possibly imagine (beside Trump); it's a good thing not to have such people in your club.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: kingv on September 08, 2019, 09:02:36 PM
Quote from: Tripon on September 08, 2019, 04:22:14 PM
Quote from: kingv on September 08, 2019, 04:10:38 PM
Imo there’s going to be a strong push from Germany/France to not do a damn thing for the U.K. until they come to them hat in hand. Frankly, I think France/Germany will be happy to bet that they can shift the Financial capital of the EU into Paris/some German city.

There’s no way Greece, Spain,  and Italy are going to be like “oh let’s rescue these dudes after we’ve been gang fucked for a decade”.

Yeah, the U.K. leaving will be bad for the whole EU, but it will be worse for Britain, and to some countries that will be the only thing that matters.

And the us is going to do... what exactly? Roll back tariffs on the U.K. back to where they were in 2017?

That is not going to save them.

No, the U.S. will make a bilateral trade deal that will benefit the U.S. as much as possible. Trump said as much. Trump always looks for a 'win', or he sabotages the process so he doesn't 'lose.' Just look at how much of a headache trade negotiations are going with China, a country with much more power to negotiate fair terms with the U.S. Or with the EU and US trade relations as well, there's always the threats of tariffs when Trump gets into one of his moods. The UK is going to get fucked in any such negotiations. The United States has no reason to do favors for the UK.



I have little confidence the trade deal gets done. The very idea of the ‘bilateral’ trade deal is flawed.

The only way most of these deals get done is that every country is giving up something, but alone getting something because there’s a bunch of gives and takes across multiple countries so country a lowers sugar duties, but so do countries b, c, d so net-net they come out ahead.

It’s a lot harder to negotiate that 1:1.

Only way they’ll be able to finalize a deal is if U.K. subsidizes golf courses.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Tripon on September 08, 2019, 10:18:02 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/crisis-hit-nissans-ceo-resign-over-pay-issue-004108792--finance.html

Quote
Tokyo (AFP) - The CEO of crisis-hit Japanese auto giant Nissan plans to resign, local media reported Monday, days after admitting he received more pay than his entitlement.

The reports said it was not immediately clear when Hiroto Saikawa would step down, as the firm struggles with the aftermath of the arrest of its former chief Carlos Ghosn on charges of financial misconduct.

Nissan said it had no immediate comment on the reports, which first emerged overnight in the Nikkei business daily.

Nikkei said Saikawa has told several Nissan executives of his intent, but that no date for his resignation nor a successor has been decided.

The reported decision comes days after Saikawa acknowledged that a Nissan probe revealed he had received more pay than he was entitled to, in a scheme under which directors can receive a bonus if their company's share price rises above a certain level in a set period.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on September 09, 2019, 03:18:32 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49592330

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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 09, 2019, 09:02:15 AM
It was definitely either Cthulhu or Godzilla.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Ghoul on September 09, 2019, 10:59:15 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 09, 2019, 09:02:15 AM
It was definitely either Cthulhu or Godzilla.

I mean a lot of fatties swim when it gets hot, maybe the combined ass power of them all swimming and farting at once cause some underwater tornado.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Kunai With Chain on September 09, 2019, 12:02:48 PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-09/german-economy-seen-muddling-through-slew-of-global-risks-chart
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Economists predict Germany will avoid a recession but the picture they paint of future growth is dire given global trade conflicts and political uncertainty. According to a Bloomberg survey, output in Europe’s largest economy stagnated in the third quarter and will rise more slowly from there than previously forecast. Respondents project an annual expansion of 0.6% for this year and 0.9% for 2020.

Germany's economy struggling and getting outpaced by UK has come at a pretty opportune time for Brexiters, seen a few gloating on twitter.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 09, 2019, 01:25:31 PM
https://twitter.com/ShehabKhan/status/1171042241084870657 (https://twitter.com/ShehabKhan/status/1171042241084870657)

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on September 09, 2019, 02:07:20 PM
https://twitter.com/bbc5live/status/1171091023679938560


Fucking hell :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Occam on September 09, 2019, 02:24:25 PM
I seriously hope the EU won't agree to another extension. Even the first one granted in March was idiotic and predictably led to the Brexit Party sitting in the European Parliament. As I said back then, they should have been made to cancel their withdrawal or just crash out with no deal in place 6 months ago, which is the same situation we have now.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 09, 2019, 02:37:14 PM
Quote from: Occam on September 09, 2019, 02:24:25 PM
I seriously hope the EU won't agree to another extension. Even the first one granted in March was idiotic and predictably led to the Brexit Party sitting in the European Parliament. As I said back then, they should have been made to cancel their withdrawal or just crash out with no deal in place 6 months ago, which is the same situation we have now.
The extension was given on the understanding that May would use the additional time to get her deal through parliament.
In some sense the UK already broke the agreement on the previous extension so I doubt they'll get a second one even if Boris asks.

Besides such an extension would be seen as a backdoor deal between the opposition and the EU to keep the UK in and would bolster the Brexit party vote even further.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Crash Dummy on September 09, 2019, 02:52:01 PM
hasn't france already said it won't approve a delay/extension?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 09, 2019, 03:03:34 PM
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1171129543610032129 (https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1171129543610032129)

Let's see the DM's bois :mynicca


Boris shocks everyone by actually having a plan

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1171131827815407618 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1171131827815407618)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Rufus on September 09, 2019, 03:41:38 PM
Amend how!? :confused

This is teaser for a trailer levels of nonsense.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: kingv on September 09, 2019, 04:13:11 PM
I feel like BoJo saying a no deal would be a failure of statesmanship is him blinking.

Would be damn hilarious if he goes full Teresa May.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Ghoul on September 10, 2019, 07:10:34 AM
Shouting down black rod for the first time ever. Stay classy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on September 10, 2019, 08:40:24 AM
He's talking to a tory mp, not black rod.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Ghoul on September 10, 2019, 08:43:34 AM
Quote from: Raist on September 10, 2019, 08:40:24 AM
He's talking to a tory mp, not black rod.

In the clip yes, I happened to be watching it live and it was an absolute shit show in there.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on September 10, 2019, 09:15:27 AM
I mean, when is it not?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 10, 2019, 09:43:34 AM
Why isn't he just Rod? Why does he have to be Black Rod?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Ghoul on September 10, 2019, 09:50:43 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 10, 2019, 09:43:34 AM
Why isn't he just Rod? Why does he have to be Black Rod?

Filler involved somehow. Also She you sexist.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on September 10, 2019, 10:02:10 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 10, 2019, 09:43:34 AM
Why isn't he just Rod? Why does he have to be Black Rod?

Because he/she/xir is carrying a black rod around.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: nachobro on September 10, 2019, 10:04:07 AM
 :-*
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Kunai With Chain on September 10, 2019, 12:13:50 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49655226
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Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu has vowed to annex part of the occupied West Bank on the border with Jordan if he is voted back into office next week.

Mr Netanyahu said he would apply "Israeli sovereignty over the Jordan Valley and northern Dead Sea".

Israeli election coming up and the mask starts to slip
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 10, 2019, 01:22:48 PM
LMAO
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1171462675911467010 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1171462675911467010)

Democracy dies in Dankness  8)
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1171423983524143104 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1171423983524143104)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: team filler on September 10, 2019, 04:18:56 PM
https://twitter.com/AliAbunimah/status/1170917675100516352

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Tripon on September 10, 2019, 08:35:36 PM
Quote from: Kunai With Chain on September 10, 2019, 12:13:50 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49655226
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Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu has vowed to annex part of the occupied West Bank on the border with Jordan if he is voted back into office next week.

Mr Netanyahu said he would apply "Israeli sovereignty over the Jordan Valley and northern Dead Sea".

Israeli election coming up and the mask starts to slip

Been slipping. Netanyahu promised something similar if Lakud won the previous election. Netanyahu is scared of losing his right hand base.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 10, 2019, 09:20:34 PM
He'll also probably go to jail if he doesn't get reelected, so there's that little bit of extra incentive this time around.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Crash Dummy on September 11, 2019, 06:37:49 AM
speaking of leaders who could end up in jail, turns out bojo basically lied to the queen to get the prorogation https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-49661855
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: benjipwns on September 11, 2019, 01:48:20 PM
Putin's doomed: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/09/11/vladimir-putin-russia-moscow-city-council-vote-228065
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The formal result of the city council election was, perhaps, not all that spectacular. Liberal candidates, barred from standing themselves, had to resort to promoting a tactical voting campaign that unseated nearly half of all Kremlin-backed candidates, but also saw most of those seats go to the Communists and two smaller parties, which are under the influence of the Kremlin to some degree.
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The Kremlin is right to be alarmed. In a poll conducted by the independent pollster Levada Center last month, 37 percent of Muscovites supported the citywide protests, while some 27 percent said they did not. Those are striking numbers
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: benjipwns on September 11, 2019, 01:49:36 PM
Quote from: Stro on September 09, 2019, 04:15:26 PM
Been watching Sky coverage of Brit commons off and on since it's on Pluto and I got nothing else to do and it's so lol. The fucking speaker dude who just bellows and makes horn sounds and randomly talks shit :lol :lol :lol


Just nothing but ugly sweaty people yelling like classy drunks. And it's kind of amazing how the topic of discussion (the head of state being an embarrassing cunt who doesn't respect the rule of law and possible impeachment) is the same as it is here in the States.
shots fired at Beth
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Kunai With Chain on September 11, 2019, 04:21:08 PM
https://twitter.com/peterjukes/status/1171862810613207040

Sounds pretty rosey

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on September 11, 2019, 04:51:18 PM
Quote from: Kunai With Chain on September 11, 2019, 04:21:08 PM
https://twitter.com/peterjukes/status/1171862810613207040

Sounds pretty rosey

But here's the best part:

https://twitter.com/RosamundUrwin/status/1171864228879372289
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 11, 2019, 04:58:33 PM
Quote from: Crash Dummy on September 11, 2019, 06:37:49 AM
speaking of leaders who could end up in jail, turns out bojo basically lied to the queen to get the prorogation https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-49661855
This changes absolutely nothing.

They don't want an election and they don't want Brexit. What would parliament have done between now and October 31st?
How many days of the Corbyn Chicken routine would we have to suffer through if parliament conducted its business as normal?

Boris will go to the EU on the 17th. The EU will tell him no extension so he won't ask for one but they offer some changes to the May deal but nothing too significant.
Boris returns to parliament with the new deal. The opposition either votes for it and gets an 'orderly' Brexit or against it and the UK crashes out with no deal.

Boris and Farage eat Corbyn Chicken for breakfast on November 14th when a new post-Brexit general election takes place.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: benjipwns on September 11, 2019, 08:41:28 PM
Quote from: Nintex on September 11, 2019, 04:58:33 PM
Boris and Farage eat Corbyn Chicken for breakfast on November 14th when a new post-Brexit general election takes place.
The UK is first past the post.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Crash Dummy on September 12, 2019, 10:04:40 AM
https://twitter.com/TyronWilson/status/1172117786744762368 (https://twitter.com/TyronWilson/status/1172117786744762368)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: kingv on September 12, 2019, 10:07:42 AM
I wish we could get the same for the dem primary and trump.

Biden: getting an erection
Sanders: capitalist role play
Tulsi: loli
2016 Hillary: BBC
Warren: sex while high on peace pipe
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: team filler on September 12, 2019, 10:26:20 AM
https://twitter.com/madanboukman/status/1171955925529366528
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Ghoul on September 12, 2019, 10:41:08 AM
If only the US was as brave as those people, but they sit there and allow a criminal puppet to rule over them  :brain
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: team filler on September 12, 2019, 11:56:28 AM
https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1171673174594899968
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 12, 2019, 01:24:47 PM
https://twitter.com/5_News/status/1172099305349505024 (https://twitter.com/5_News/status/1172099305349505024)

https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1172162042041655296 (https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1172162042041655296)

 :yeshrug
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: team filler on September 12, 2019, 04:51:26 PM
https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1172239372374216704

 :teehee
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: team filler on September 12, 2019, 05:19:26 PM
https://twitter.com/AhmedKaballo/status/1172256718866255885

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: VomKriege on September 13, 2019, 02:29:25 AM
Massive strike today from the Paris transport authority to protest against the announced reform of "special pensions system", the biggest since 2007 or 1995. Only the two automated subway lines should run normally. Most of the other 14 lines are just shut down straight (up to the stations not being accessible at all since agents are leaving fences closed) and those that run will do so with reduced traffic and within arbitrary constraints (one only at peak hours the morning and evening), another will only serve key stations, etc...). All the buses and tramways should work at 1/2 or 1/3 of their usual rate.

Back in 2007, Sarkozy and his Prime Minister Fillon passed a law enforcing a "mandatory minimum service for public services" but apparently it wouldn't work here because it only pertains, in this case, to internal employer-employee negociations not reforms the government want to impose. Participation rates are too high to ensure anything more and employees can't be drafted unless in a state of grave public disorder / emergency. This 2007 law did force a 2 day notice for striking employees and an obligation to inform users in full of service disruption at least a day before. The (right wing) head of the Paris region is bitching that the strike notice should be 3 days and threatens to withhold the equivalent of today's share of the annual budget.

In a nutshell, I'm glad I don't have to go anywhere today.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on September 13, 2019, 02:19:16 PM
Boris' excursions still going well.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1172542977908137984
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 13, 2019, 03:06:23 PM
Literally EVERYTHING the man does goes wrong  :rejoice
https://twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1172532928108253197 (https://twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1172532928108253197)

https://twitter.com/5_News/status/1172505970171371520 (https://twitter.com/5_News/status/1172505970171371520)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Kunai With Chain on September 13, 2019, 04:04:43 PM
Tbf Shofar so good is a pretty good pun to come up with on the spot, specially when you are being forced to deal with couple of looneys asking you to blow on their horns.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Occam on September 13, 2019, 05:33:24 PM
This makes too much sense:
https://twitter.com/pedromakee/status/1172598804882870272?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Boogie on September 13, 2019, 05:39:32 PM
https://globalnews.ca/news/5899146/senior-rcmp-arrested-charged/?fbclid=IwAR2XbJVNB2CpkxIcB7qFCvLUVTvewc-dEbzdMlfX7MFt2Vpql9SHYh-VOw8

Soo in Canadian not-Federal-Election-related news, the RCMP (civilian) Director-General of Intelligence was just arrested and charged with leaking information going back to 2015.

There's not much info on him and his work history/background in the Force (even internally, I had never heard his name before today) except that he's an academic by trade, with a focus on Asia-Pacific security studies, and speaks Mandarin, so obviously the "China" signals are flashing here.

Good jon, team.  Good jon.  :-\

 :trash :snoop
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: kingv on September 13, 2019, 06:52:49 PM
When I was in the military they sent a Chinese National (CHICOMS!!!!) to my unit in a position that required him to have a provisional TS clearance.

I remember arguing with the unit we rolled up into about how we couldn’t have this guy and he was probably a spy. His family still lived in China. It was crazy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 13, 2019, 07:04:30 PM
Quote from: Boogie on September 13, 2019, 05:39:32 PM
https://globalnews.ca/news/5899146/senior-rcmp-arrested-charged/?fbclid=IwAR2XbJVNB2CpkxIcB7qFCvLUVTvewc-dEbzdMlfX7MFt2Vpql9SHYh-VOw8

Soo in Canadian not-Federal-Election-related news, the RCMP (civilian) Director-General of Intelligence was just arrested and charged with leaking information going back to 2015.

There's not much info on him and his work history/background in the Force (even internally, I had never heard his name before today) except that he's an academic by trade, with a focus on Asia-Pacific security studies, and speaks Mandarin, so obviously the "China" signals are flashing here.

Good jon, team.  Good jon.  :-\

 :trash :snoop

I like to think the RCMP has an actual sign that flashes "China" in an event like this.  In my mind, it's in a dark basement monitored by a woman dressed like a 1950's secretary who probably got put there for rejecting the advances of her superiors. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: shosta on September 13, 2019, 07:11:08 PM
Quote from: Kunai With Chain on September 13, 2019, 04:04:43 PM
Tbf Shofar so good is a pretty good pun to come up with on the spot, specially when you are being forced to deal with couple of looneys asking you to blow on their horns.
BJ is hilarious sometimes. He's the kind of guy you'd love to be friends with but would never trust with your kids.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 13, 2019, 07:15:06 PM
Like you should trust any rich British person with your kids. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 13, 2019, 07:28:09 PM
Quote from: Occam on September 13, 2019, 05:33:24 PM
This makes too much sense:
https://twitter.com/pedromakee/status/1172598804882870272?
Watch the Netflix thing on Cambridge Analytica called The Great Hack.

At some point a journalist says she spoke with someone close to Farage who explained it all to her.
A bunch of billionaires got together and decided to back 'Leave' which was to be the petri dish for the upcoming US election.
They enlisted Nix and his cabal because he had toppled governments in third and second world countries.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: kingv on September 13, 2019, 08:23:48 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on September 13, 2019, 07:15:06 PM
Like you should trust any rich British person with your kids.

Prince Andrew loves kids!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Tripon on September 14, 2019, 01:43:27 AM
https://twitter.com/MarieAnnUK/status/1172706380131831809

Anybody getting that close to Trump, and I think the Secret Service would body rush the person.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 14, 2019, 08:48:59 AM
The secret service is not really on point protecting Trump most of the time.
If someone looked sideways at Obama they would already prepare to get in position and he did most speeches behind bullet proof glass.

With Trump, they just let him wander off across the North Korean DMZ or halfway down a runway to talk to the press.
Or people toss shit at the podium and no one reacts.
There's all the paparazzi making 'watch Trump golf' pictures too and the occasional arrest at the Mar-a-lago of a Chinese national with a USB stick  :doge

It might also have to do with technology (that they're using drones and such so they don't need as many 'eyes on the ground' anymore) but the contrast is clear.

With Boris, he actually got the question if he thinks he needs more security because he just rides around on his bike in London with people yelling wanker at him.
To which he answered that he doesn't believe that would make him safer and he didn't think it would be necessary.

You can say many things about Boris but he's not holding up in some ivory tower even though he gets the occasional egg thrown at him or a broken nose in the pub.

Reminds me a bit of our PM, who also walks or rides his bike across The Hague every morning to parliament.
In fact, if you take a stroll in the Hague near parliament there's a chance you'll walk into a secretary or minister walking to a different department.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: team filler on September 14, 2019, 12:16:45 PM
https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1172718839974510592

not sure what the problem is, some of us would pay for that  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Tripon on September 14, 2019, 12:18:39 PM
Quote from: filler on September 14, 2019, 12:16:45 PM
https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1172718839974510592

not sure what the problem is, some of us would pay for that  :doge

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/07/09/19/15834972-0-image-a-23_1562697302713.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: team filler on September 14, 2019, 12:21:00 PM
 :trumps still would
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Tripon on September 14, 2019, 01:33:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4VzY4uIzDY

Is this praxis?

 :isthis
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: team filler on September 14, 2019, 03:31:56 PM
https://twitter.com/malaahmed2/status/1172414733405712385

 :yuck
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: VomKriege on September 14, 2019, 03:49:43 PM
Be like Princess Diana... :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Rufus on September 14, 2019, 03:55:05 PM
dead :joker
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: team filler on September 14, 2019, 05:50:44 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on September 14, 2019, 03:49:43 PM
Be like Princess Diana... :dead
suck big arab cock  ???
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 14, 2019, 07:15:21 PM
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1172948278058659841 (https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1172948278058659841)
Whatever Boris is doing it seems to be working
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: team filler on September 14, 2019, 07:33:09 PM
https://twitter.com/Syrian_MC/status/1172898988967759872
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: team filler on September 14, 2019, 11:00:16 PM
https://twitter.com/evazhengll/status/1172477785912291331
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: team filler on September 15, 2019, 01:58:56 PM
https://twitter.com/AllisonKSommer/status/1173156029191901186

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 15, 2019, 05:26:23 PM
To celebrate John Bolton leaving Iran blew up Saudi oil tanks with their proxies.
The Trump administration declassified the intel images which shows substantial damage.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Kunai With Chain on September 15, 2019, 05:30:04 PM
https://twitter.com/Dalatrm/status/1173336741136281602

America should sue Iran for terrorism for the damage some khat chewing houthis etc have done to the reputation of their patriot missile system.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 15, 2019, 05:49:07 PM
The Saudi's quite possibly have one of the worst performing modern armies in the world.
The Houthi's have in multiple occasions crossed the border into the KSA to blow up some military posts and what not.
In this case, the KSA doesn't even have a clue where this attack came from.

The US suspects Iranian proxies firing missiles from Iraq and Houthi rebels with drones.
Lindsey Graham wants to bomb Iran just in case.

Half of Aramco production knocked out and oil up $5 - $10 tomorrow. LMAO fucking Saudi hacks  :lol 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 15, 2019, 05:58:49 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1173354645642764289 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1173354645642764289)

Donald Trump saves the oil markets  :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: VomKriege on September 15, 2019, 06:00:01 PM
Algerian presidential election now planned for December.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Tripon on September 15, 2019, 06:01:28 PM
Quote from: Nintex on September 15, 2019, 05:49:07 PM
The Saudi's quite possibly have one of the worst performing modern armies in the world.
The Houthi's have in multiple occasions crossed the border into the KSA to blow up some military posts and what not.
In this case, the KSA doesn't even have a clue where this attack came from.

The US suspects Iranian proxies firing missiles from Iraq and Houthi rebels with drones.
Lindsey Graham wants to bomb Iran just in case.

Half of Aramco production knocked out and oil up $5 - $10 tomorrow. LMAO fucking Saudi hacks  :lol

The oddest thing I keep on taking away from Middle East geopolitics is why the fuck the U.S. is being the attack dog in a cold war between Saudi Arabia and Iran, or Israel and Iran.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 15, 2019, 06:12:14 PM
Oil

Brent +18%
WTI +14.8%

 :yeshrug
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 15, 2019, 06:13:41 PM
Quote from: Tripon on September 15, 2019, 06:01:28 PM
Quote from: Nintex on September 15, 2019, 05:49:07 PM
The Saudi's quite possibly have one of the worst performing modern armies in the world.
The Houthi's have in multiple occasions crossed the border into the KSA to blow up some military posts and what not.
In this case, the KSA doesn't even have a clue where this attack came from.

The US suspects Iranian proxies firing missiles from Iraq and Houthi rebels with drones.
Lindsey Graham wants to bomb Iran just in case.

Half of Aramco production knocked out and oil up $5 - $10 tomorrow. LMAO fucking Saudi hacks  :lol

The oddest thing I keep on taking away from Middle East geopolitics is why the fuck the U.S. is being the attack dog in a cold war between Saudi Arabia and Iran, or Israel and Iran.
I believe Wesley Clark explained that. "If you all you have is a hammer, every problem becomes a nail". But of course it goes way back to Kissinger and even Roosevelt. 

Rumor has it Saudi Arabia has fragments of Iranian cruise missiles from at least one of the attacked oil fields.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 15, 2019, 06:51:55 PM
Welp, no John Bolton to hold him back now. There's a new Sheriff in town.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1173368423381962752 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1173368423381962752)

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1173368574406250496 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1173368574406250496)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: VomKriege on September 16, 2019, 05:00:17 AM
French Justice Minister declared she was "for" granting asylum to Edward Snowden, a position quickly labeled "personal" from the people sitting higher in the food chain
A couple of other voices from the majority came out in favour. Snowden reiterated that he would be very glad to Macron if it happened and that he sent demands to France starting in 2013 (and contacted 20 other countries as well).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: team filler on September 16, 2019, 11:13:43 AM
https://twitter.com/camilateleSUR/status/1173606620020006912

 :-\
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Raist on September 16, 2019, 01:00:30 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1173610626049966080



Said PM of Luxembourg:

https://twitter.com/ashcowburn/status/1173603936659476482

:lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Deal or no Deal?
Post by: Nintex on September 16, 2019, 01:20:17 PM
LMAO
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1173600589864820736 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1173600589864820736)

Anyhow, Luxembourg is against another extension. There won't be one. It'll either be deal or no-deal on October the 31st.
Unless something 'dramatic' happens. Like say all out war in the Middle East.


https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1173632094666448896 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1173632094666448896)

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1173629016953249792 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1173629016953249792)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 16, 2019, 03:56:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: team filler on September 16, 2019, 05:18:26 PM
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1173679263851208705

inshallah  :putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Nintex on September 16, 2019, 05:29:41 PM
lmao Putin promoting his missile systems.

This level of grift  :lawd
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Crash Dummy on September 17, 2019, 01:07:33 PM
https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1173982485098762240 (https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1173982485098762240)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: team filler on September 17, 2019, 05:47:11 PM
https://twitter.com/TheArabSource/status/1173874675153289216
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Nintex on September 17, 2019, 06:47:54 PM
Israeli election too close to call.

Bibi and Gantz in dead heat  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: samir on September 18, 2019, 06:29:58 AM
Quote from: Crash Dummy on September 17, 2019, 01:07:33 PM
https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1173982485098762240 (https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1173982485098762240)

Is rioutous' wife ok?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Raist on September 18, 2019, 09:11:36 AM
Aaaaaand another one.

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1174291989203959808

He keeps looking like a 5yo getting told off :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Crash Dummy on September 18, 2019, 10:53:52 AM
does he really say "there's no press here" at the end? in front of the press and cameras?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Nintex on September 18, 2019, 01:57:36 PM
That's way before October 17th (when Boris plans to 'make a deal' at the summit)
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1174371789201465344 (https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1174371789201465344)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Raist on September 18, 2019, 02:53:42 PM
Quote from: Crash Dummy on September 18, 2019, 10:53:52 AM
does he really say "there's no press here" at the end? in front of the press and cameras?

Of course he does. Good old Boris.

It's clearer here:

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1174300220571705344
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Occam on September 18, 2019, 03:59:23 PM
This was uploaded 4 days after the referendum in 2016. It's amazing how well it held up.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=EbFhlfnJep0
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Rufus on September 18, 2019, 05:02:04 PM
Concession to national sovereignty? Appeasing the skittish newcomers*? :idont
I think further unification is inevitable now that the Eurozone exists. More likely than everyone (but Germany and France) abandoning the Euro. It is going to be slow going though.

*Article 50 is pretty fresh. It only went into effect in 09. Before then, there was no formal way to leave the union. Poland, Czechia, the Baltics, etc. (who joined in 04) wanted an out in case being in the EU fucked them.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Nintex on September 18, 2019, 05:14:21 PM
Quote from: Rufus on September 18, 2019, 05:02:04 PM
Concession to national sovereignty? Appeasing the skittish newcomers*? :idont
I think further unification is inevitable now that the Eurozone exists. More likely than everyone (but Germany and France) abandoning the Euro. It is going to be slow going though.

*Article 50 is pretty fresh. It only went into effect in 09. Before then, there was no formal way to leave the union. Poland, Czechia, the Baltics, etc. (who joined in 04) wanted an out in case being in the EU fucked them.
The Netherlands actually had a plan worked out to leave the EU and reinstate our own currency at the apex of the Greek crisis.

Greece of course wanted to leave the Eurozone and Varoufakis came as far as finding a hacker who would get him into the national banking systems that they were locked out from by the Troika.
But he asked the PM for permission to do so and when he declined Varoufakis resigned on the spot.

The UK was sort of at a crossroads. They had to either integrate further by adopting the Euro and joining France and Germany to campaign for a Federal European superstate or they had to leave.
At the time most of the other heads of state already had enough of Cameron's lack of commitment and 'special' treatment in terms of EU membership.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: jorma on September 18, 2019, 05:21:09 PM
Quote from: Stro on September 18, 2019, 04:17:59 PM
How did the EU not have a "all members have to vote to allow a member to leave" caveat written in when it was formed

Well, it's a union of sovereign states. Whatever directive the EU comes up with means exactly nothing if one of those independent nations decides to leave. And I don't think a single nation in the EU is ready to give up their formal sovereignty at this point in time, so Article 50 was just codifying what everyone already knew to be true - every nation can leave, because there is no legal entity around with the power to stop them.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Rufus on September 18, 2019, 05:28:18 PM
Cause we got tired of killing one another.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: jorma on September 18, 2019, 05:30:36 PM
Quote from: Stro on September 18, 2019, 05:26:03 PM
Then what's the point of the thing existing at all

free movement of goods, services, capital and labour

and also peace in europe

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Occam on September 18, 2019, 05:31:25 PM
Quote from: Stro on September 18, 2019, 05:26:03 PM
Then what's the point of the thing existing at all

What's the point of you existing?

Edit: Sorry, that was unnecessarily mean.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Nintex on September 18, 2019, 05:55:21 PM
To make sure the Germans would not stomp out little countries like Greece.

Oh wait.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Nintex on September 18, 2019, 06:47:00 PM
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1174415346561945601 (https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1174415346561945601)

 :ohhh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 18, 2019, 07:11:54 PM
Quote from: Rufus on September 18, 2019, 05:28:18 PM
Cause we got tired of killing one another.

Well, glad y'all got over that.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: shosta on September 18, 2019, 08:54:55 PM
Justin Trudeau pulled a Peter Sellers :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Flannel Boy on September 18, 2019, 09:11:49 PM
Quote from: shosta on September 18, 2019, 08:54:55 PM
Justin Trudeau pulled a Peter Sellers :dead
I thought his Chauncey Gardiner routine was too much.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Occam on September 18, 2019, 09:27:48 PM
While "blackface" is a special case in America due to its historical background, in general there is nothing wrong with dressing up like people from other cultures and ethnicities. It's not racist. It does not demonstrate belief in the outdated pseudoscientific concept purporting the existence of individual human races of which some are superior and others inferior.
In fact, it celebrates cultural diversity.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: kingv on September 18, 2019, 09:29:45 PM
This fucking cac.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: shosta on September 18, 2019, 09:34:15 PM
It was 2001, times were different
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: shosta on September 18, 2019, 09:34:33 PM
Quote from: Occam on September 18, 2019, 09:27:48 PM
In fact, it celebrates diversity.
LOL
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Tripon on September 18, 2019, 09:37:57 PM
Quote from: Occam on September 18, 2019, 09:27:48 PM
While "blackface" is a special case in America due to its historical background, in general there is nothing wrong with dressing up like people from other cultures and ethnicities. It's not racist. It does not demonstrate belief in the outdated pseudoscientific concept purporting the existence of individual human races of which some are superior and others inferior.
In fact, it celebrates cultural diversity.

(https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/zlWm6emLVCGcC_K24st0LhqnYelgKvUgMIgDpZFsYeo/%3Fw%3D800%26quality%3D85/https/timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2019/09/justin_trudeau_yearbook_05.jpg?width=441&height=294)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: OnlyRegret on September 18, 2019, 09:38:27 PM
I'm enjoying this
The purity spiralling grows

should only get funner as the world gets more online and people continue being shocked teens are dumbasses and so is everyone else to a slightly lesser extent

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Occam on September 18, 2019, 09:45:51 PM
Basically, you have been conditioned to believe there is something wrong about it, but it makes no rational sense.
See, you can turn anything into racism. If you put on a mask or makeup that caricatures a group of people based on their ethnicity, that's racist.
Racist:
(http://www.standbyformindcontrol.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/15603-300x225.jpg)

Not racist:
(http://images.esellerpro.com/2448/I/912/21/FDFUN4321ebay.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: curly on September 18, 2019, 09:47:26 PM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on September 18, 2019, 09:38:27 PM
I'm enjoying this
The purity spiralling grows

should only get funner as the world gets more online and people continue being shocked teens are dumbasses and so is everyone else to a slightly lesser extent

He was 29 lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: OnlyRegret on September 18, 2019, 09:51:21 PM
Quote from: curly on September 18, 2019, 09:47:26 PM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on September 18, 2019, 09:38:27 PM
I'm enjoying this
The purity spiralling grows

should only get funner as the world gets more online and people continue being shocked teens are dumbasses and so is everyone else to a slightly lesser extent

He was 29 lol

Sorry for the unclearness, the latter bit was me branching off to refer to people in general. Reflecting on the occasional dumb teen that drew extensive ire, or even kid.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: shosta on September 18, 2019, 09:54:01 PM
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonball/images/9/98/Mrpopo.png/revision/latest?cb=20110818004727)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: EchoRin on September 18, 2019, 09:57:28 PM
No Occam. I'm not gonna shit on someone for wearing a Geisha outfit just cause they aren't ethnically chinese (fuck I almost botched that) Japanese. Maybe it could come off as culturally insensitive in some instances. Depends on the situation. I would think you are a dumbass if you try to look like Sean Connery in that one Bond film where he makes himself look "asian" though.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: kingv on September 18, 2019, 09:57:46 PM
I feel like we need to know a bit more about this jasmine he’s hanging on.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: kingv on September 18, 2019, 09:58:37 PM
John Wayne about nailed Genghis Khan though.

Halle Berry too
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Tripon on September 18, 2019, 10:00:24 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/pwgZVph.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Occam on September 18, 2019, 10:02:47 PM
Not racist:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8ycpFQfJuSg/TnuyMFcuA5I/AAAAAAAAARI/-NCxBm6SBtA/s1600/028.JPG)

(https://secure.i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02492/cowboys-indians_2492119b.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: shosta on September 18, 2019, 10:09:26 PM
Lot of white people in this thread rn
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: nachobro on September 18, 2019, 10:09:54 PM
occam really is an autist at a level we haven't seen for a while
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: curly on September 18, 2019, 10:10:01 PM
Quote from: Occam on September 18, 2019, 09:27:48 PM

In fact, it celebrates cultural diversity.

*laughs in edward said*
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Tripon on September 18, 2019, 10:10:46 PM
(https://miro.medium.com/max/600/1*vst8w960MjjtGCaYkO0v0w.jpeg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: OnlyRegret on September 18, 2019, 10:12:18 PM
Quote from: nachobro on September 18, 2019, 10:09:54 PM
occam really is an autist at a level we haven't seen for a while

and adorable ideas, like how we should just invade and occupy brazil
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: nachobro on September 18, 2019, 10:12:56 PM
also pro-eugenics, don't forget that
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: curly on September 18, 2019, 10:15:47 PM
The forum needs those kind of posters tbh and leadbelly is too low energy to fill the role. At least he isn't as obnoxious as Assi.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Occam on September 18, 2019, 10:17:25 PM
Quote from: nachobro on September 18, 2019, 10:12:56 PM
also pro-eugenics, don't forget that

Please don't spread lies.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: shosta on September 18, 2019, 10:18:05 PM
Occam's signature quality for me is his propensity for the most joyless careposting. Like, crack a joke dude
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: nachobro on September 18, 2019, 10:18:30 PM
Quote from: curly on September 18, 2019, 10:15:47 PM
The forum needs those kind of posters tbh and leadbelly is too low energy to fill the role. At least he isn't as obnoxious as Assi.
good point, the alternatives could be much worse
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: OnlyRegret on September 18, 2019, 10:20:30 PM
Quote from: shosta on September 18, 2019, 10:18:05 PM
Occam's signature quality for me is his propensity for the most joyless careposting. Like, crack a joke dude

He almost made a funny earlier, but retracted



Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: curly on September 18, 2019, 10:21:50 PM
Quote from: shosta on September 18, 2019, 10:18:05 PM
Occam's signature quality for me is his propensity for the most joyless careposting. Like, crack a joke dude

It's that 2006 nu atheist posting style that you thought died out years ago
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Occam on September 18, 2019, 10:22:17 PM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on September 18, 2019, 10:20:30 PM
Quote from: shosta on September 18, 2019, 10:18:05 PM
Occam's signature quality for me is his propensity for the most joyless careposting. Like, crack a joke dude

He almost made a funny earlier, but retracted

I'm simply not a mean person usually :(
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: OnlyRegret on September 18, 2019, 10:23:57 PM
Quote from: Occam on September 18, 2019, 10:22:17 PM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on September 18, 2019, 10:20:30 PM
Quote from: shosta on September 18, 2019, 10:18:05 PM
Occam's signature quality for me is his propensity for the most joyless careposting. Like, crack a joke dude

He almost made a funny earlier, but retracted

I'm simply not a mean person usually :(

it's Stro(ke)
inexplicable anger dogs his every moment, if anything you reflected
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Raist on September 19, 2019, 01:36:25 AM
https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1174435043898462208

Could just be posturing, but can't wait for BoJo's response.


Quote from: Stro on September 18, 2019, 05:26:03 PM
Then what's the point of the thing existing at all

I mean, no one thought a country would be stupid enough to want to leave the EU. There's literally zero benefit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Occam on September 19, 2019, 06:22:08 AM
Quote from: Esch on September 19, 2019, 01:59:04 AM
Quote from: curly on September 18, 2019, 10:21:50 PM
Quote from: shosta on September 18, 2019, 10:18:05 PM
Occam's signature quality for me is his propensity for the most joyless careposting. Like, crack a joke dude

It's that 2006 nu atheist posting style that you thought died out years ago

Same. I like my forums posters to have that amazing mix of 90% normal generic centristy liberal milieu facts and logic and then 10%  chauvinist bigbrain without a second of introspection it's awesome

Oh no, someone occasionally challenges my beliefs. Can't have that!
If you are looking for a bubble, there's a certain purple place that may be more to your liking...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: VomKriege on September 19, 2019, 06:36:31 AM
Quote from: Dantizzinel on September 19, 2019, 06:01:50 AM
Quote from: Occam on September 18, 2019, 09:27:48 PM
While "blackface" is a special case in America due to its historical background, in general there is nothing wrong with dressing up like people from other cultures and ethnicities. It's not racist. It does not demonstrate belief in the outdated pseudoscientific concept purporting the existence of individual human races of which some are superior and others inferior.
In fact, it celebrates cultural diversity.

There's dressing up in a kimono and then there's painting your skin and imitating racial characteristics to cartoonish levels.

I don't really mind it in the context of a carnival character or somesuch but then again I'm not black so. It's probably true it has special significance in the US but I can't help but feel the usual "Europe doesn't feel as strongly for that aspect", while true on some level, is a bit disingenuous too. The same sort of stereotypes were popular domestically at the same time on top a general passing familiarity with American culture.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: curly on September 19, 2019, 07:18:05 AM
Quote from: Occam on September 19, 2019, 06:22:08 AM
Quote from: Esch on September 19, 2019, 01:59:04 AM
Quote from: curly on September 18, 2019, 10:21:50 PM
Quote from: shosta on September 18, 2019, 10:18:05 PM
Occam's signature quality for me is his propensity for the most joyless careposting. Like, crack a joke dude

It's that 2006 nu atheist posting style that you thought died out years ago

Same. I like my forums posters to have that amazing mix of 90% normal generic centristy liberal milieu facts and logic and then 10%  chauvinist bigbrain without a second of introspection it's awesome

Oh no, someone occasionally challenges my beliefs. Can't have that!
If you are looking for a bubble, there's a certain purple place that may be more to your liking...

nobody is trying to silence you be a massive dumbass to your heart's content
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: HardcoreRetro on September 19, 2019, 07:41:52 AM
Loving the Occam's Racist Principle on display.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Momo on September 19, 2019, 07:45:38 AM
occam where you from bro? which country?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: nachobro on September 19, 2019, 08:54:19 AM
trudeau is a real one, i'll give him that. brushing off brownface (and hands :lol) with a "hey i like to dress up" is pretty baller. if the libs lose because of this he's gonna look like an ass but if the party wins then he's untouchable.

but with this, the indian clothes dress up, and accusing india of spying on him, seems like dude has some weird thing with brown people

edit: :neogaf

https://twitter.com/natnewswatch/status/1174654317212700673?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Occam on September 19, 2019, 09:32:27 AM
Not a good look. Good thing Trump never wore racist makeup!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Occam on September 19, 2019, 09:47:31 AM
Quote from: HardcoreRetro on September 19, 2019, 07:41:52 AM
Loving the Occam's Racist Principle on display.

Please feel free to quote anything I wrote that promotes a race-based ideology.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: VomKriege on September 19, 2019, 01:13:01 PM
Quote from: Stro on September 19, 2019, 01:03:31 PM
I'm hearing that Trudeau spent a whole year living as an Indian man in his mid 20s

A one year long The Party.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 19, 2019, 01:19:17 PM
Trudeau has evolved his position on blackface.  :exxy
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Sman on September 19, 2019, 01:20:54 PM
The thing about Trudeau, there's long been a spotlight on him, an expectation he'd go in politics at some point, just by being the son of a famous PM. So the black face thing is still surprising because it shows really poor judgement on his part when he most certainly had political aspirations even 2 decades ago.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 19, 2019, 01:38:05 PM
Trudeau looks decent in blackface.  Think he should keep the look.  We need more ethnic representation in Canada. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 19, 2019, 01:47:59 PM
Canadian ICON weighing in

(https://preview.redd.it/hp5uu0qpkgn31.jpg?width=917&auto=webp&s=ce5cfe42549ec2139d5bd4147a3d32247656a248)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: OnlyRegret on September 19, 2019, 02:02:31 PM
mr. dressup indeed

(https://i.redd.it/3vqo7a1myavy.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 19, 2019, 02:53:42 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deadline-irish-backstop-no-deal-stephen-barclay-october-a9111756.html?utm_source=reddit.com

:dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 19, 2019, 03:07:07 PM
It's like when you have a paper due in two weeks, so you're like "I'll start on it next week." "I'll start on it the day before." "I'll stay up late and get it done the night before." "No worries, I still have three hours until class starts."

Except you assigned yourself the paper.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: D3RANG3D on September 19, 2019, 03:52:32 PM
https://twitter.com/MisterAntiBully/status/1174760328351162369
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Raist on September 19, 2019, 04:16:53 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on September 19, 2019, 02:53:42 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deadline-irish-backstop-no-deal-stephen-barclay-october-a9111756.html?utm_source=reddit.com

:dead

"The EU are big meanies" + "Don't even try us brehs, you're not ready for a no-deal" wombo combo  :gladbron
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 19, 2019, 09:38:05 PM
https://leaderpost.com/sports/football/cfl/saskatchewan-roughriders/roughriders-apologize-to-beef-producers-for-ad-that-showed-fans-eating-beyond-meat-burgers

:lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Tripon on September 19, 2019, 09:54:50 PM
(https://nmaahc.si.edu/sites/default/files/files/images/blog/minstrel_posterbillyvanware_edit_2.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: kingv on September 19, 2019, 09:57:22 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on September 19, 2019, 09:38:05 PM
https://leaderpost.com/sports/football/cfl/saskatchewan-roughriders/roughriders-apologize-to-beef-producers-for-ad-that-showed-fans-eating-beyond-meat-burgers

:lol

If that’s how DMX wants to play it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Tripon on September 19, 2019, 10:08:09 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/cyz167q.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/fy8lW9D.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Momo on September 20, 2019, 12:44:14 AM
blackface is some stupid shit to get caught doing in north america lmao
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Crash Dummy on September 20, 2019, 05:08:52 AM
https://twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1174817114156392448 (https://twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1174817114156392448)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Raist on September 20, 2019, 09:30:29 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/20/fresh-brexit-talks-row-uk-eu-proposals-secret

Quote
Downing Street’s secrecy over its “underwhelming” Brexit proposals has caused a fresh rupture in the negotiations in Brussels.

The row centres on a demand that the EU’s negotiating team treat a long-awaited cache of documents outlining the UK’s latest ideas as “Her Majesty’s government property”.

Whitehall told the European commission team that the three “confidential” papers it had sent on Thursday evening should not be distributed to Brexit delegates representing the EU’s 27 other member states.


 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: kingv on September 20, 2019, 09:36:24 AM
Seeing Boris turn into Teresa May over like 2 weeks is something else.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: OnlyRegret on September 20, 2019, 12:56:57 PM
so far, family and relatives do not give a shit about the trudeau thing
will need to dig around for other people's takes
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Nintex on September 20, 2019, 02:04:20 PM
https://twitter.com/skydavidblevins/status/1175049001126768647 (https://twitter.com/skydavidblevins/status/1175049001126768647)

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: team filler on September 20, 2019, 02:12:05 PM
https://twitter.com/sdbcraig/status/1174814859453747205

 :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: team filler on September 20, 2019, 02:12:36 PM
https://twitter.com/shariaprelaw/status/1174885790079496193
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: team filler on September 20, 2019, 02:46:55 PM
https://twitter.com/madanboukman/status/1175105381288349696

 :juche
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Raist on September 20, 2019, 02:49:50 PM
Quote
Resistance is a transgenerational epigenetic inheritance

 ::)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: team filler on September 20, 2019, 03:29:08 PM
https://twitter.com/s_m_marandi/status/1175109090441388032

 8)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: jorma on September 20, 2019, 04:16:26 PM
Quote from: filler on September 20, 2019, 02:12:05 PM
https://twitter.com/sdbcraig/status/1174814859453747205

 :dead

1: "accidentally"  :lol

2: who are these people filming the news with their phones? and why? i feel i've seen so many of these and i just don't get it.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: OnlyRegret on September 20, 2019, 05:19:25 PM
https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1174665843491385348
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: OnlyRegret on September 20, 2019, 05:20:02 PM
it's not black or brown face  :wag
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: shosta on September 20, 2019, 05:20:39 PM
This is so awesome lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: shosta on September 20, 2019, 05:21:36 PM
He did it so much he literally can't remember how many photos there could be
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: OnlyRegret on September 20, 2019, 05:27:11 PM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on September 20, 2019, 12:56:57 PM
so far, family and relatives do not give a shit about the trudeau thing
will need to dig around for other people's takes

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-brownface-photo-trudeau-west-point-grey-1.5290814

neither are they particularly upset
though, with them in the picture, brownface might be a stretch

looks more like blackface, can't comment on that
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: kingv on September 20, 2019, 05:52:53 PM
Making you click through to see the pic is fascism.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: D3RANG3D on September 20, 2019, 06:28:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWkwsT9Xu38
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Nintex on September 20, 2019, 06:30:42 PM
Trudeau is just glad nobody found out about his other kinks
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Nintex on September 20, 2019, 06:36:56 PM
This season just keeps on giving

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1175175337900171268 (https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1175175337900171268)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: kingv on September 20, 2019, 08:03:49 PM
My guess is the split is an anti-Brexit split.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 20, 2019, 08:05:40 PM
Ya, it's really interesting to see an issue like this not fall down party lines. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Tripon on September 20, 2019, 09:29:13 PM
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1175147122821410816
https://twitter.com/kate_day/status/1175134268965695489
https://twitter.com/janemerrick23/status/1175149868194639873
https://twitter.com/BenPBradshaw/status/1175160094289539075
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1175141143283154944
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1175148474251264000

Was Brexit thought of by the French and Germans to fuck up the UK extra something fierce?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Occam on September 21, 2019, 01:08:54 AM
Quote from: Tripon on September 20, 2019, 09:29:13 PM
Was Brexit thought of by the French and Germans to fuck up the UK extra something fierce?

No, Britain earned the Brexit Darwin Award all by herself.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 21, 2019, 01:31:15 AM
TBH I keep thinking this is how the Germans finally win too.  Can't fight them on the beaches but can in a referendum.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: team filler on September 21, 2019, 10:30:32 AM
https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1175080393244053507

https://twitter.com/DanLtcR/status/1175107653888032770

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Tripon on September 21, 2019, 11:12:03 AM
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1175352839339687936
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 21, 2019, 11:58:19 AM
I thought semi-automatics were basically banned already. 

(https://preview.redd.it/azg2cyo8nun31.jpg?width=794&auto=webp&s=c94f715b5d4e3e856d42ac662169a93d79e7b19a)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Nintex on September 21, 2019, 12:04:54 PM
What the hell is Labour doing. As far as the EU is concerned there is no 'remain' option.

The only option is to leave with a deal or without a deal and then re-apply for EU membership.  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Rufus on September 21, 2019, 01:13:32 PM
Quote from: Nintex on September 21, 2019, 12:04:54 PM
What the hell is Labour doing. As far as the EU is concerned there is no 'remain' option.
?
They can still revoke, afaik.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 21, 2019, 05:52:49 PM
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02861-5

Quote
Alarm as antimicrobial resistance surges among chickens, pigs and cattle
Drug-resistant bacteria are gaining a stronghold in developing countries where meat production has soared.

After climate change, this is the biggest issue the world faces and most people don't seem to care. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: kingv on September 22, 2019, 01:45:03 AM
It’s scarier than climate change. I have air conditioning
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Tripon on September 22, 2019, 01:45:17 AM
https://twitter.com/maxschramp/status/1175154440527110150
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Tripon on September 22, 2019, 02:04:21 AM
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1175408346402349057
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Crash Dummy on September 22, 2019, 05:34:30 AM
https://twitter.com/chiragbshah/status/1175313850410950656 (https://twitter.com/chiragbshah/status/1175313850410950656)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Nintex on September 22, 2019, 06:31:36 AM
Quote from: Crash Dummy on September 22, 2019, 05:34:30 AM
https://twitter.com/chiragbshah/status/1175313850410950656 (https://twitter.com/chiragbshah/status/1175313850410950656)
lmao this is great

https://twitter.com/chiragbshah/status/1175315162221469696 (https://twitter.com/chiragbshah/status/1175315162221469696)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: team filler on September 22, 2019, 09:54:08 AM
https://twitter.com/b_momani/status/1175588678304968704
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Nintex on September 22, 2019, 10:56:14 AM
https://twitter.com/THH87993200/status/1175316555271409664 (https://twitter.com/THH87993200/status/1175316555271409664)

How long before Pepe shows up  8)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 22, 2019, 05:08:32 PM
https://globalnews.ca/news/5935983/traffic-stop-viral-wwe-lacey-evans-edmonton/amp/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Tripon on September 22, 2019, 08:40:14 PM
https://twitter.com/NTarnopolsky/status/1175811358023180290

Bibi finally going down?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: team filler on September 22, 2019, 11:51:09 PM
https://twitter.com/I30mki/status/1175921139840770048

https://twitter.com/I30mki/status/1175921451414634496

https://twitter.com/AWAKEALERT/status/1175976905993904128

fuck them birds
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Ghoul on September 23, 2019, 09:26:28 AM
UK travel company that warned about the dangers of brexit in the travel industry fell into administration today.

UK GOV:  :pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: kingv on September 23, 2019, 10:02:49 AM
Hermčs? No wonder them shits is so expensive.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Occam on September 23, 2019, 10:08:07 AM
Thomas Cook Group, was Europe's second largest travel company (turnover: 10bn EUR). Europe's largest travel company TUI (Germany) is the winner of this (turnover: 19bn EUR).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Ghoul on September 23, 2019, 11:12:33 AM
Quote from: Occam on September 23, 2019, 10:08:07 AM
Thomas Cook Group, was Europe's second largest travel company (turnover: 10bn EUR). Europe's largest travel company TUI (Germany) is the winner of this (turnover: 19bn EUR).

What is really scary is that they could have been bailed out by the Gov for 200m but they didn't bother. Absolutely ridiculous. Why spend 200m when you could lose 10bn taxable turnover?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: HaughtyFrank on September 23, 2019, 11:30:31 AM
https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/status/1175848457191510016

 :brain :brain :brain
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: VomKriege on September 23, 2019, 11:32:16 AM
I've seen that point brought up and governments do bail out companies all the time but is it really common sense they should have done that here ?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Ghoul on September 23, 2019, 11:41:46 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on September 23, 2019, 11:32:16 AM
I've seen that point brought up and governments do bail out companies all the time but is it really common sense they should have done that here ?

I think in the longer term it would have been the better idea than just to let it bounce,

the problem is that all the job losses here and loss of taxable revenue will later fuck the economy harder than a bailout to be paid back across x number of months.

21,000 people now suddenly out of work and now will no doubt be going onto welfare until they can find other opportunities,

the issue is quite a lot of these staff will be low skilled workers so finding them a job in the long run with a failing high street will be difficult.

andddd 8========D plane taking off POST

Quote from: HaughtyFrank on September 23, 2019, 11:30:31 AM
https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/status/1175848457191510016

 :brain :brain :brain

So is this a "everyone is a nazi" stance? this guy is clearly a fence sitter right?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Crash Dummy on September 23, 2019, 11:45:11 AM
uk's trade partners being every bit as helpful and nice as bojo had hoped
https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1176067345665732608 (https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1176067345665732608)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Ghoul on September 23, 2019, 11:49:02 AM
Quote from: Crash Dummy on September 23, 2019, 11:45:11 AM
uk's trade partners being every bit as helpful and nice as bojo had hoped
https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1176067345665732608 (https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1176067345665732608)

I fucking hate people who use flags like that to state political alignments, it's like those pray for france shit that went on so lame.

I'm hardly shocked the Spanish are going that way though. Although I beg they keep the English over there, as they're the real cunts we don't want here.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: VomKriege on September 23, 2019, 11:54:17 AM
Dinesh's spiel is more "Nazis were leftists".
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Occam on September 23, 2019, 11:56:58 AM
Why should Britons retain any rights abroad they themselves intend to deny foreigners in the UK?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: kingv on September 23, 2019, 12:21:01 PM
This seems like the commonsense stance for EU lemeber nations to take.

“You want a no-deal Brexit, we aren’t going to make it easier for you”
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Ghoul on September 23, 2019, 12:30:03 PM
Quote from: Occam on September 23, 2019, 11:56:58 AM
Why should Britons retain any rights abroad they themselves intend to deny foreigners in the UK?

Because of having cake and eating it too?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Nintex on September 23, 2019, 01:30:09 PM
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1176151948304769025 (https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1176151948304769025)

lmao the climate people have really taken this to cringe levels.
Not to mention all those in the audience clapping and wooing probably got there by plane.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Ghoul on September 23, 2019, 01:33:51 PM
Quote from: Nintex on September 23, 2019, 01:30:09 PM
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1176151948304769025 (https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1176151948304769025)

lmao the climate people have really taken this to cringe levels.
Not to mention all those in the audience clapping and wooing probably got there by plane.

When I was leaving work today I saw some of the Extinction Rebellion people with police as if there was something about to start.

I cannot stand them, I'd rather the planet die with these little pricks still alive just so I can die knowing they also suffered.

Also I know she has made a big deal out of travelling in a supposedly carbon neutral way but most of these guys are fucking around taking gap years and travelling etc so it's like fuck off yuppie
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: VomKriege on September 23, 2019, 01:35:16 PM
:joker
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: kingv on September 23, 2019, 01:38:46 PM
There should be a moratorium on rolling out people under 18 for political purposes.

It’s always cringey no matter the merit of the underlying cause.

Only kid I’m going out cheering for is Lil Lupe.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: OnlyRegret on September 23, 2019, 01:41:20 PM
Just a kid, why the disdain?

I'm down with environmentalism, shame there is an opposition. The cringe aspect is the doomsday cult.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: VomKriege on September 23, 2019, 01:55:38 PM
There's always something a little unsettling about a poster child. But it doesn't diminish the merit of the agenda of course.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: OnlyRegret on September 23, 2019, 02:03:20 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on September 23, 2019, 01:55:38 PM
There's always something a little unsettling about a poster child. But it doesn't diminish the merit of the agenda of course.

She is old enough to be likely operating off her free will.
The unsettling bit is when you've got people using really young kids like a prop. Like the, "my 3 year old totally said blah blah blah".
Nah, he/she sure didn't ya cringey goof
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: VomKriege on September 23, 2019, 03:42:01 PM
Far left French leader Jean-Luc Mélenchon banned the TV program "Quotidien" from his party press events because, in essence, what they recorded a year ago is now used as evidence in a "politically motivated" court case : he and his entourage (including other elected MPs from LFI) threw a tantrum, disrupted justice, ruffled with a cop and a representative of the prosecution during a seizure -part of a whole series- mandated at his offices in an investigation about misuse of Europarliament means and irregularities in the finances of his presidential bid. It was partly captured on video which was played in current court proceedings.

Mélenchon wrote as much in a blog published Sunday :
"Without  « Quotidien » there's no case against us. Their edited, cooked up images published by the show are the only argument and  « evidence » presented."

Of course this is couched in a larger argument of being persecuted by the Powers That Be and the press serving their masters / being overwhelmingly biased against his party, but the shitposter in me can only notice he's banning them now right on the heels of court hearings, and not at any point in the past year despite this video record having been in circulation since the events and being the focal point of all the debate and ridicule sent Mélenchon's way.

If you're curious, here's the salient part of said video. You're losing a bit on the granular level if you don't understand the language but I think there's plenty to see with just the images...

https://youtu.be/ObgDNk2GXEk

"We're not gangsters or bandits, go and do your police job elsewhere."
 :batman :juicy :mueller
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: shosta on September 23, 2019, 03:54:34 PM
French people :heh in the US five people would be dead and ten injured
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: VomKriege on September 23, 2019, 03:59:03 PM
Quote from: shosta on September 23, 2019, 03:54:34 PM
French people :heh in the US five people would be dead and ten injured

And protesters beat up by members of a Turkish protection detail.
 :usacry :salute
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 23, 2019, 04:29:46 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on September 23, 2019, 11:54:17 AM
Dinesh's spiel is more "Nazis were leftists".

Also, the KKK were liberals. And slave-owners were liberals. Oh and all racists are liberals.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Boredfrom on September 23, 2019, 04:54:07 PM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on September 23, 2019, 01:41:20 PM
Just a kid, why the disdain?

I'm down with environmentalism, shame there is an opposition. The cringe aspect is the doomsday cult.

The problem seems to me that the kid is starting to drink the doomsday cult kool aid.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: OnlyRegret on September 23, 2019, 05:36:03 PM
Quote from: Momo on September 19, 2019, 07:45:38 AM
occam where you from bro? which country?

I'm 90% sure Germany now
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: OnlyRegret on September 23, 2019, 07:55:46 PM
wtf I love Greta "Fridays for (whiter) Future" Thunberg now

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: curly on September 23, 2019, 08:09:16 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on September 23, 2019, 01:55:38 PM
There's always something a little unsettling about a poster child. But it doesn't diminish the merit of the agenda of course.

A Frenchman complaining about poster children (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_of_Arc)? Doesn't seem right
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: benjipwns on September 23, 2019, 08:55:37 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 23, 2019, 04:29:46 PM
Also, the KKK were liberals. And slave-owners were liberals.
But weren't they tho. :hitler

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:doge
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: kingv on September 24, 2019, 12:26:30 AM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on September 23, 2019, 02:03:20 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on September 23, 2019, 01:55:38 PM
There's always something a little unsettling about a poster child. But it doesn't diminish the merit of the agenda of course.

She is old enough to be likely operating off her free will.
The unsettling bit is when you've got people using really young kids like a prop. Like the, "my 3 year old totally said blah blah blah".
Nah, he/she sure didn't ya cringey goof

I’m sure she’s operating on her own free will...

The cringe comes from the adults that enable her and claim to be inspired by her or whatever.

Like, you’re going to rely on a fucking child to tell you what to do? Can’t figure out the right thing to do until a ten year old tells you?

Also, a lot of these kids get ass pats from adults and are trotted out like heroes only to sort of regret it later, or at least be put into a position to regret it later. I think about like that kid CH Pearson thst just coons for trump and that other right wing kid
https://www.salon.com/2012/07/08/i_was_a_right_wing_child_star/

It’s just distasteful to try to put the burden of the worlds problems or your ideology or whatever on fucking kids. Even if they are doing it of their own free will they are being used because they don’t know any better.

We’ve all watched Evangelion and are better than this. Don’t be a Genji Imari bros.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Mandark on September 24, 2019, 12:27:32 AM
ya maybe if a bunch of scientists put out a report that will do the trick
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: kingv on September 24, 2019, 12:35:54 AM
My dad called me today and said “you know, I thought the scientists were all crackpots and global warming is fake, but there is some autistic kid on tv and I think she’s really into something... it’s like that sweet boy in the sixth sense!”
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Occam on September 24, 2019, 12:47:15 AM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on September 23, 2019, 05:36:03 PM
Quote from: Momo on September 19, 2019, 07:45:38 AM
occam where you from bro? which country?

I'm 90% sure Germany now

I'm from Cosmopolis, allowing for a more global/holistic view on most issues (that and I don't let ideology get in the way of rationality, which is rather helpful).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: OnlyRegret on September 24, 2019, 01:55:36 AM
Quote from: kingv on September 24, 2019, 12:26:30 AM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on September 23, 2019, 02:03:20 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on September 23, 2019, 01:55:38 PM
There's always something a little unsettling about a poster child. But it doesn't diminish the merit of the agenda of course.

She is old enough to be likely operating off her free will.
The unsettling bit is when you've got people using really young kids like a prop. Like the, "my 3 year old totally said blah blah blah".
Nah, he/she sure didn't ya cringey goof

I’m sure she’s operating on her own free will...

The cringe comes from the adults that enable her and claim to be inspired by her or whatever.

Like, you’re going to rely on a fucking child to tell you what to do? Can’t figure out the right thing to do until a ten year old tells you?

Also, a lot of these kids get ass pats from adults and are trotted out like heroes only to sort of regret it later, or at least be put into a position to regret it later. I think about like that kid CH Pearson thst just coons for trump and that other right wing kid
https://www.salon.com/2012/07/08/i_was_a_right_wing_child_star/

It’s just distasteful to try to put the burden of the worlds problems or your ideology or whatever on fucking kids. Even if they are doing it of their own free will they are being used because they don’t know any better.

We’ve all watched Evangelion and are better than this. Don’t be a Genji Imari bros.

What can be said?
People love to form a cult of personality and idolize messianic figures. Be it BernBoys, MAGAs, Nintenyearolds and Shiggy/Iwata.

The kid isn't being forced into this role, the people just want Climate Jesus.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: OnlyRegret on September 24, 2019, 01:56:33 AM
Quote from: Occam on September 24, 2019, 12:47:15 AM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on September 23, 2019, 05:36:03 PM
Quote from: Momo on September 19, 2019, 07:45:38 AM
occam where you from bro? which country?

I'm 90% sure Germany now

I'm from Cosmopolis, allowing for a more global/holistic view on most issues (that and I don't let ideology get in the way of rationality, which is rather helpful).

95% sure German now
glad to see humour systems are operational
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: jorma on September 24, 2019, 03:24:16 AM
Quote from: Esch on September 24, 2019, 12:44:21 AM
While your dad might be a lost cause, if Greta gets even 100 people to think about better habits (forget action with companies or politicians) that's good praxis.

i'm gonna need a lot more than a 100 new people recycling their empty beer cans to consider it worth the investment of having to put up with the cult of Greta.
on the flip side, she did force her mom to change her scene from opera to musical because she was no longer allowed to fly to gigs, so there's already something good coming out of this  :doge


But to be serious, i think she's doing fine - and if she starts conversations that eventually lead to political parties around the world adopting greener platforms, that's worth it.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Ghoul on September 24, 2019, 03:43:45 AM
If all it really takes to change minds is kids both autistic or not then where are the pro and anti brexit kids fighting this battle cowards?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: jorma on September 24, 2019, 03:46:12 AM
Quote from: Ghoul on September 24, 2019, 03:43:45 AM
If all it really takes to change minds is kids both autistic or not then where are the pro and anti brexit kids fighting this battle cowards?

they put Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson in charge?

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Ghoul on September 24, 2019, 03:47:12 AM
Quote from: jorma on September 24, 2019, 03:46:12 AM
Quote from: Ghoul on September 24, 2019, 03:43:45 AM
If all it really takes to change minds is kids both autistic or not then where are the pro and anti brexit kids fighting this battle cowards?

they put Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson in charge?

You never go full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Nintex on September 24, 2019, 03:48:11 AM
Quote from: Ghoul on September 24, 2019, 03:43:45 AM
If all it really takes to change minds is kids both autistic or not then where are the pro and anti brexit kids fighting this battle cowards?
Trafficked to Epstein island by the Clinton foundation  :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Ghoul on September 24, 2019, 04:41:11 AM
Quote from: Nintex on September 24, 2019, 03:48:11 AM
Quote from: Ghoul on September 24, 2019, 03:43:45 AM
If all it really takes to change minds is kids both autistic or not then where are the pro and anti brexit kids fighting this battle cowards?
Trafficked to Epstein island by the Clinton foundation  :kermit

 :mike

ohh no.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Kunai With Chain on September 24, 2019, 05:51:20 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49810261
Quote
Boris Johnson's decision to suspend Parliament was unlawful, the Supreme Court has ruled.
Fucking English remoaners trying to get in the way of Boris's Brexit agenda
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Ghoul on September 24, 2019, 06:11:04 AM
Quote from: Kunai With Chain on September 24, 2019, 05:51:20 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49810261
Quote
Boris Johnson's decision to suspend Parliament was unlawful, the Supreme Court has ruled.
Fucking English remoaners trying to get in the way of Boris's Brexit agenda

Curse you remoaners *nyah nyah nyahhhhhh* - Skeletor voice.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Crash Dummy on September 24, 2019, 06:53:50 AM
Quote from: jorma on September 24, 2019, 03:24:16 AM
Quote from: Esch on September 24, 2019, 12:44:21 AM
While your dad might be a lost cause, if Greta gets even 100 people to think about better habits (forget action with companies or politicians) that's good praxis.

i'm gonna need a lot more than a 100 new people recycling their empty beer cans to consider it worth the investment of having to put up with the cult of Greta.
on the flip side, she did force her mom to change her scene from opera to musical because she was no longer allowed to fly to gigs, so there's already something good coming out of this  :doge


But to be serious, i think she's doing fine - and if she starts conversations that eventually lead to political parties around the world adopting greener platforms, that's worth it.

so this is the big question mark for me and if businesses and countries build greener policies into practices and agreements off of the back of this, then great. otherwise this'll just be a trendy thing to harp on about for a bit and then everyone just goes back to as they were
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Ghoul on September 24, 2019, 07:03:44 AM
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Brehvolution on September 24, 2019, 10:44:05 AM
Quote from: HaughtyFrank on September 23, 2019, 11:30:31 AM
https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/status/1175848457191510016

 :brain :brain :brain

https://twitter.com/GoadGatsby/status/1175935860644229122
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Propagandhim on September 24, 2019, 10:50:14 AM
Love how they throw Glenn Beck and Ann Coulter in there as if to say, "This isn't just about sexy Anglo Saxons, folks."
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: VomKriege on September 24, 2019, 11:22:12 AM
Spanish justice ruled unanimously in favour of the government moving the remains of Franco from the massive mausoleum they currently rest at to a more modest burial place, alongside his wife. There's still a number of delaying requests and appeals from Franco's family and supporters but it seems solid that this approval will stand on principle.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 24, 2019, 11:32:58 AM
RIP Jess Franco
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Raist on September 24, 2019, 01:15:54 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/24/supreme-court-have-sided-usurping-remainers-people/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Quote
The Supreme Court has sided with usurping Remainers over the people


Dat NaCl  :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Nintex on September 24, 2019, 01:16:39 PM
More CHICKEN, ORDER!!! ORDER!!! NO YOU ARE THE CHICKEN :hyper

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1176475692235677697 (https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1176475692235677697)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Ghoul on September 24, 2019, 02:12:11 PM
Move over Ronald, Boris is the McDonald's clown now.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Raist on September 25, 2019, 07:15:09 AM
House of Commons back in business. Surely they'll get shit done now after all this.

*checks the live feed*

Nope, still flinging shit at each other. Good times.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Nintex on September 25, 2019, 09:43:18 AM
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1176817461565501440 (https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1176817461565501440)
 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Ghoul on September 25, 2019, 10:27:13 AM
"https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1176820779863834624"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: team filler on September 25, 2019, 11:10:19 AM
https://twitter.com/AliAhmadi_Iran/status/1176847643470979072
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: team filler on September 25, 2019, 12:16:27 PM
https://twitter.com/tparsi/status/1176880149096206339

 :pimp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Nintex on September 25, 2019, 12:53:43 PM
https://twitter.com/HelenKennedy/status/1176849303513509888 (https://twitter.com/HelenKennedy/status/1176849303513509888)

Boris Johnson gave the best UN speech ever recorded in history  :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 25, 2019, 01:07:53 PM
:lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: VomKriege on September 25, 2019, 01:28:30 PM
The writing is a bit zany but it's getting the point across and he's obviously referencing literature and, dare I say, some classic Monty Python style humor. It's a good fit for him, actually.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: team filler on September 25, 2019, 02:05:51 PM
https://twitter.com/HadiNasrallah/status/1176918050148421632

https://twitter.com/HadiNasrallah/status/1176918982479241218

 :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Nintex on September 25, 2019, 02:45:46 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1176916271348060161 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1176916271348060161)

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1176922998885904385 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1176922998885904385)

lmao they continued right where they left off.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Nintex on September 25, 2019, 05:50:37 PM
Boris has this tick that when he gets nervous he starts to mess with his hair.
Combing seems entirely useless at this point.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: HaughtyFrank on September 25, 2019, 05:54:16 PM
Greta is melting brains

https://twitter.com/heathercampbell/status/1176948073248878592
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Nintex on September 25, 2019, 06:15:33 PM
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1176981450559774720 (https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1176981450559774720)

No wonder Boris wants an election.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: curly on September 25, 2019, 10:48:18 PM
https://twitter.com/bencoates1/status/1176750116474163201
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: team filler on September 26, 2019, 03:08:04 AM
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1177104504946331648

 :hmm

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Nintex on September 26, 2019, 03:20:51 AM
https://twitter.com/Khaaasteh/status/1176785505708576768 (https://twitter.com/Khaaasteh/status/1176785505708576768)

Oh Boris  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: VomKriege on September 26, 2019, 06:31:22 AM
https://youtu.be/1DfSMZ7kGiU
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: VomKriege on September 26, 2019, 07:03:59 AM
And obligatory filler like :

https://youtu.be/304UHIZE01c

Dude was also pretty dapper, irrespective of my political opinion. I'll find photos when I have the time.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Raist on September 26, 2019, 08:57:18 AM
The "bonjour" still cracks me up.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Raist on September 26, 2019, 10:20:03 AM
BoJo still doing great with losing votes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49842880
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: VomKriege on September 26, 2019, 05:40:13 PM
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Find your favourite dictator !
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: shosta on September 26, 2019, 10:28:04 PM
Great Spike Lee movie
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Tripon on September 27, 2019, 01:11:05 AM
https://twitter.com/chedetofficial/status/1176894993648279554

PM of Malaysia
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: OnlyRegret on September 27, 2019, 01:32:39 AM
go get your man, filler
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Raist on September 27, 2019, 09:14:30 AM
The UK vs. USA battle for who's going to be the most distinguished mentally-challenged continues :lol

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFdN0uGVUAEYUUN?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: team filler on September 27, 2019, 12:47:25 PM
https://twitter.com/Ian56789/status/1173173593355837440
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: team filler on September 27, 2019, 12:54:00 PM
https://twitter.com/theJagmeetSingh/status/1177619915995402240

 :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Flannel Boy on September 27, 2019, 02:40:51 PM
Quote from: filler on September 27, 2019, 12:54:00 PM
https://twitter.com/theJagmeetSingh/status/1177619915995402240

 :whew

If the pipeline isn't built, it's not as if Alberta will keep its oil in the ground. It will just use rail. This might slightly decline oil and gas production, but that won't reduce local or world demand--which will just be met by the US or some other country. Instead, Canada should focus primarily on deceasing its own demand for oil, through car pricing.

2 billion trees sounds like a lot, but that would only increase Canada's total by less than 1% (which is not to say it shouldn't be done).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: OnlyRegret on September 27, 2019, 02:51:45 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on September 27, 2019, 02:40:51 PM
Quote from: filler on September 27, 2019, 12:54:00 PM
https://twitter.com/theJagmeetSingh/status/1177619915995402240

 :whew

If the pipeline isn't built, it's not as if Alberta will keep its oil in the ground. It will just use rail. This might slightly decline oil and gas production, but that won't reduce local or world demand--which will just be met by the US or some other country. Instead, Canada should focus primarily on deceasing its own demand for oil, through car pricing.

2 billion trees sounds like a lot, but that would only increase Canada's total by less than 1% (which is not to say it shouldn't be done).

Yeah, I don't feel particularly guilty over this country's Oil&Gas. I'm environmentally-minded, but I don't feel bad since this country is doing a bit better on the whole human rights and environment standards business  nowadays than the other producer countries. Not going to hobble the country just to give other countries a favour.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 27, 2019, 03:08:09 PM
I wish our oil money would go to something better than making Albertans feel like they don't need to pay taxes, but other than that I'm fine with it.  We can't really switch to electric cars at this point and most of the country doesn't have the density to make public transportation an affordable option - though  I wish that we could use more of that money to invest in these areas.  You could argue that cheaper gas makes it harder for Saskatchewan and Alberta to switch from their gas powerplants, but really the only alternative they have is nuclear, which, regrettably, is an unlikely switch.   So cutting oil and gas production would really only try to discourage importers from using gas but we don't have the production really achieve that, especially now that America has upped their production that last two decades.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: OnlyRegret on September 28, 2019, 02:11:40 AM
solar would probably suck ass for a bunch of the country, for the purpose of a main source of power
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: benjipwns on September 28, 2019, 03:04:56 AM
depending on how long it is, what type they are and where they're planted I think two billion trees COULD potentially hide a pipeline
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Kunai With Chain on September 28, 2019, 05:00:47 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49866677
Quote
Houthi rebels in Yemen say they have captured a large number of Saudi troops after a major attack near the border between the two countries.

A Houthi spokesman told the BBC that three Saudi brigades had surrendered near the Saudi town of Najran.

He said thousands of soldiers had been captured and many others killed. Saudi officials have not confirmed the claim.

The operation was the largest of its kind since the conflict began, the spokesman said.

Colonel Yahiya Sarea said Saudi forces had suffered "huge losses in life and machinery".

All those captured would be paraded on the Houthi-run Al Masirah TV network on Sunday, he added.
No idea how true it'll end up being, but the Saudi army really is the gift that just keeps on giving.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Nintex on September 28, 2019, 06:26:51 PM
Quote from: Kunai With Chain on September 28, 2019, 05:00:47 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49866677
Quote
Houthi rebels in Yemen say they have captured a large number of Saudi troops after a major attack near the border between the two countries.

A Houthi spokesman told the BBC that three Saudi brigades had surrendered near the Saudi town of Najran.

He said thousands of soldiers had been captured and many others killed. Saudi officials have not confirmed the claim.

The operation was the largest of its kind since the conflict began, the spokesman said.

Colonel Yahiya Sarea said Saudi forces had suffered "huge losses in life and machinery".

All those captured would be paraded on the Houthi-run Al Masirah TV network on Sunday, he added.
No idea how true it'll end up being, but the Saudi army really is the gift that just keeps on giving.
At this rate the Houthi's will capture Riyad by winter.

https://twitter.com/L0gg0l/status/1178086705188016128 (https://twitter.com/L0gg0l/status/1178086705188016128)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: EightBitNate on September 28, 2019, 11:33:05 PM
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/china-accused-of-harvesting-organs-of-uighurs-falun-gong-religious-group/


Nothing else to say but what the fuck
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: curly on September 29, 2019, 12:11:28 AM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on September 27, 2019, 02:40:51 PM
Quote from: filler on September 27, 2019, 12:54:00 PM
https://twitter.com/theJagmeetSingh/status/1177619915995402240

 :whew

If the pipeline isn't built, it's not as if Alberta will keep its oil in the ground. It will just use rail. This might slightly decline oil and gas production, but that won't reduce local or world demand--which will just be met by the US or some other country. Instead, Canada should focus primarily on deceasing its own demand for oil, through car pricing.

2 billion trees sounds like a lot, but that would only increase Canada's total by less than 1% (which is not to say it shouldn't be done).

This is a really complacent attitude to take about something that could potentially kill us all. Surely any decline in oil and gas production is worthwhile, especially coming from the fourth leading producer of oil in the world? Not to mention all the emissions caused in the process of extraction and that building more infrastructure is only going to increase the importance of oil production and create more vested interests opposed to the absolutely essential transfer to other energy sources.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: team filler on September 29, 2019, 04:24:48 AM
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1178217881173188608

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: team filler on September 29, 2019, 05:24:27 AM
 :drudge

https://twitter.com/Brasco_Aad/status/1178238275863142400

https://twitter.com/Brasco_Aad/status/1178109038908887041
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Nintex on September 29, 2019, 07:39:34 AM
https://twitter.com/L0gg0l/status/1178271805313818624 (https://twitter.com/L0gg0l/status/1178271805313818624)

Trump oil taking out the competition?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Crash Dummy on September 29, 2019, 08:13:53 AM
dude how does your brain work?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: kingv on September 29, 2019, 10:21:20 AM
Quote from: filler on September 29, 2019, 04:24:48 AM
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1178217881173188608

I would not call them ashamed, exactly.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: OnlyRegret on September 29, 2019, 02:41:02 PM
Canada had some climate strike protests Friday.
The ones in the oil & gas cities could've gone better, in one place there was large temperature drop week of and snow the day of protest. Trolled by the weather.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: team filler on September 29, 2019, 11:29:13 PM
https://twitter.com/swilkinsonbc/status/1178433066064318465

 :mynicca
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: OnlyRegret on September 29, 2019, 11:49:16 PM
he really liked blackface, plus, attention to detail
(https://www.thepostmillennial.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Untitled-design-21-1200x675.png)
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 30, 2019, 12:51:20 AM
That's totally hulk face. 
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Post by: Yeti on September 30, 2019, 02:36:56 PM
Maybe he’s transracial like Rachel Dolezall
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Post by: shosta on September 30, 2019, 03:09:03 PM
(https://i.redd.it/v6cghog4vqp31.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 30, 2019, 05:41:18 PM
(https://preview.redd.it/a0aoajz2lrp31.jpg?width=768&auto=webp&s=ad2297db8a57656532d2602c273da9b79d817f20)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: team filler on September 30, 2019, 07:25:03 PM
https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1178771828237570050
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Post by: kingv on September 30, 2019, 07:33:04 PM
I used to be like those poor takin Hong. Now I’m like “get em Xi!”
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Post by: team filler on September 30, 2019, 08:10:44 PM
https://twitter.com/BenjaminFogel/status/1178616958012608512
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Post by: Tripon on September 30, 2019, 09:39:02 PM
https://twitter.com/BaseballAmerica/status/1178746456502624256

 :salute
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Post by: VomKriege on October 01, 2019, 09:29:55 AM
Report of a protestor on HK being injured by a bullet, a first for this continuous event.
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Post by: team filler on October 01, 2019, 11:24:32 AM
https://twitter.com/maduro_en/status/1179052224120545282

 8)
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Post by: team filler on October 01, 2019, 01:15:26 PM
https://twitter.com/itskenblatchi/status/1178363691697344513
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Post by: Nintex on October 01, 2019, 01:19:21 PM
Quote from: filler on September 30, 2019, 07:25:03 PM
https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1178771828237570050

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"Trump was sent by heaven to destroy the Communist Party"

Fact check: TRUE
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Post by: Nintex on October 01, 2019, 04:00:08 PM
lmao
https://twitter.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1179083096458715137 (https://twitter.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1179083096458715137)
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Post by: kingv on October 01, 2019, 10:57:26 PM
Trump is going to try to lift the Russia sanctions in like the last ten minutes before he is impeached.
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Post by: Tripon on October 01, 2019, 11:00:57 PM
https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1179138939933921281
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Post by: kingv on October 01, 2019, 11:18:12 PM
I don’t think the EU is going to blink.
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Post by: benjipwns on October 01, 2019, 11:25:35 PM
Just say you brexited and see what everyone does. Come on! Like a band-aid, one motion, RIGHT OFF!
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Post by: Tripon on October 02, 2019, 12:14:47 AM
https://twitter.com/MarkDiStef/status/1178769800677470210

 :lol
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Post by: Rufus on October 02, 2019, 08:41:50 AM
Bahleeted. And only his pinned tweet loads. :wtf
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 02, 2019, 08:55:46 AM
The link in the tweet still works, goes to a Telegraph article about it.
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Post by: Rufus on October 02, 2019, 09:14:02 AM
Didn't even think to try that. :duh
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Post by: team filler on October 02, 2019, 10:38:15 AM
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1179120524376580096
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Post by: Crash Dummy on October 02, 2019, 10:38:16 AM
https://twitter.com/DKThomp/status/1178859591813210112 (https://twitter.com/DKThomp/status/1178859591813210112)
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Post by: team filler on October 02, 2019, 11:07:02 AM
https://twitter.com/dcbigjohn/status/1179326871730900992
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Post by: Nintex on October 02, 2019, 01:41:14 PM
Quote from: kingv on October 01, 2019, 11:18:12 PM
I don’t think the EU is going to blink.
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1179425767714934784 (https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1179425767714934784)

Boris surprised everyone by doing his homework
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Post by: kingv on October 02, 2019, 01:55:02 PM
https://twitter.com/markurban01/status/1179453504370479105

https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1179450655813111808

This is coded language for “no real progress”
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 02, 2019, 02:00:27 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/MqcU6nZ.jpg)
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Post by: Raist on October 02, 2019, 02:07:20 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 02, 2019, 01:41:14 PM

Boris surprised everyone by doing his homework

Yeah. In the sense that no one would have thought even he could come up with such a shitty paper.
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Post by: Nintex on October 02, 2019, 02:17:46 PM
Boris delivers Brexit deal
(https://i.imgur.com/XHxmrOn.gif)
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Post by: team filler on October 02, 2019, 03:12:09 PM
https://twitter.com/milkmedianewyor/status/1179152071431524352
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: shosta on October 02, 2019, 07:08:23 PM
Quote from: shosta on June 10, 2019, 05:53:28 PM
Just leave Northern Ireland in the single market, for fuck's sake.
(https://i.imgur.com/N9qJLH5.png)

lol
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 02, 2019, 07:11:51 PM
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/jagmeet-singh-ndp-montreal-turban-sikh-1.5305840
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Post by: OnlyRegret on October 02, 2019, 07:54:48 PM
Quote from: Crash Dummy on October 02, 2019, 10:38:16 AM
https://twitter.com/DKThomp/status/1178859591813210112 (https://twitter.com/DKThomp/status/1178859591813210112)

JARS
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 03, 2019, 12:24:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1WyiqY9nqg&feature=youtu.be
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Post by: team filler on October 03, 2019, 02:11:56 AM
https://twitter.com/SameeraKhan/status/1179636083337961472

 :whew
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Post by: OnlyRegret on October 03, 2019, 02:19:46 AM
filler twitter feed gotta be wild

https://twitter.com/SameeraKhan/status/1179365469226184705
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Post by: Occam on October 03, 2019, 02:25:24 AM
Quote from: filler on October 03, 2019, 02:11:56 AM
https://twitter.com/SameeraKhan/status/1179636083337961472

 :whew


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Myths of the Gaddafi regime Explained


There are a lot of people defending Muammer Gaddafi and his regime by stating living conditions and infrastructure in Libya was world class, and all the people in the country enjoyed unimaginable wealth. This is not true. The Gaddafi regime was rife with corruption and deception. Who you know was more important than who you were as a person, with many basic services being only available to the highest bidders.


Below, Nizar Mhani (Niz Ben-Essa) of the Free Generation Movement responds to common misconceptions relating to the Gaddafi regime (the bolded inaccurate statements are being circulated via email forward). Follow FGMovement on Facebook, and FGMovement on Twitter.


There are no electricity bills in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.
Categorically untrue. Despite poor electricity infrastructure and poor coverage of electricity lines, even in the Capital, Libyan home owners pay monthly/quarterly (area dependant) electricity bills based on meter readings. Electricity is cut off in instances of unpaid bills. Reconnection upon payment is not instant. The electric infrastructure is weak and some areas of Libya do not have electricity available at all.

There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law.
Categorically untrue. Banks all over Libya have been giving out loans for years and years. There is a percentage rate charge on all loans, which is comparable to an interest rate, but in the spirit of ‘islamic ethics’ it is not called interest, it is called an ‘Administrative Expense’ – Masareef Edareeya.

A House is considered a human right in Libya ¬ Gaddafi vowed that his parents would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a home. Gaddafiąs father has died while he, his wife and his mother are still living in a tent.
Gaddafi abused this human right as much as he did other basic rights. It is well known in Libya that political opponents and successful business men/women had their homes confiscated and handed over to regime members, usually rewards for Free Officers –Dubat A7rar. Many farms and homes and businesses were confiscated during three infamous phases of Libyas dictatorial history:

    1969 – The dreaded Green Revolution. Free Officers were rewarded land, homes, and farms that sometimes belonged to other people and the original owners were not compensated or asked if this was ok.
    Late 70’s - The introduction of the law Albayt le Sakinehee – The Home Belongs to its Dwellers. As this law was passed overnight, thousands of homeowners instantly lost their homes, as tenants (those renting the homes) claimed ownership on account of being the ‘dwellers’. The law applied to homes, farms, shops, etc.
    90’s - The introduction of Purification Committees (Lejnat al Tatheer). This committee ran by the widely know slogan, ‘Min ayna laka hada?’ – “From where did you obtain this?”, a form of ultra-socialism where people’s possessions, including homes and businesses, were confiscated if seen to be ‘surplus to requirement’ or contributing to a ‘monopoly’.


Regarding Gaddafis ‘vow’: While Gaddafi waited for ‘everyone in Libya’ to be housed, he himself lived in a sprawling 6km square compound in the centre of the capital which was home to state of the art security and an underground network of rooms and ultramodern bunkers. He also had a vast and well known farm on Airport Road in Tripoli. This, just in the capital.


All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$ 50,000 ) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.
This is a well known rumour and a common joke in Libya. Whilst it may have been passed as official legislation, I know of not a single family who has been given this grant. The backbreaking bureaucracy associated with such grants and loans make them more or less impossible to obtain.

Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans are literate. Today the figure is 83%.
Education and Health Care – Free does not mean adequate. It is well known that Libya’s standard of health care is nothing short of appalling. It is widely known that the majority of Libyans seeking medical care leave for neighbouring countries for treatment. Our Education system is no better. It is outdated, teachers are underpaid and under-trained and libraries are largely non-existent. The syllabus was constantly being revised and reviewed under direct instruction from the former regime e.g. banning English, changing Quranic verses, etc.
It is commonly said that Libyans would be happy to forfeit their ‘free health care’ and pay for a National Health Service if it was up to the required standard.


Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and Livestock to kick- start their farms all for free.
This has never happened, in addition to this many farms and homes have been confiscated by the government to build railroads, The Great Man Made River and civil roads.
The owners of the land were only compensated if there was a covered structure on the land as the Gaddafi regime legally owned any land and the people were only allowed to build on it. When there was compensation offered it was nowhere near the actual value of the property and many waited years to receive anything if at all. This system was also rife with corruption many residents told they had to pay a bribe to receive what little they were given.

If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government funds them to go abroad for it not only free but they get $2, 300/month accommodation and car allowance.
Categorically untrue. If this was the case, the former regime would have been in receipt of 6 million application forms – one for every man, women and child who ‘cannot find education or medical facilities they need’. This grant does not exist for the mainstream public. There is anectdotal evidence of some medical grants being given but again, the system was corrupt and opaque.

In Libyan, if a Libyan buys a car, the government pays 50% of the price. ‎The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.
There is no truth to the former Gaddafi regime paying 50% of the value of a new car.

Whilst the price of fuel is indeed cheap, the quality of roads, the accuracy and availability of road signs, the presence of road traffic police, and all other transport infrastructure is of abysmal standard.
The absence of an integrated and functional public transport system means that people are reliant on their cars for all movement and might end up paying more on fuel than our neighbours around the Mediterranean basin.


Libya has no external debt and its reserves amount to $150 billion now frozen globally.
Whilst our sovereign wealth is undeniable, none of it was spent on the people of Libya nor the infrastructure of the country. Basic amenities, services, and state infrastructure are either absent or of appalling standard.
The availability of money is not tantamount to wealth or prosperity. The Arabs have a saying about Libya – “A rich nation of poor inhabitants.”

If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.
Categorically untrue. Even basic wages are sometimes unpaid for months, for those lucky enough to be employed. Welfare for the unemployed is non-existent.

A portion of Libyan oil sale is credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.
No basis to this claim as no such case can be found.

A mother who gave birth to a child receive US $5 ,000
Categorically untrue. There is a Child Benefit welfare payment in Libya – it is roughly 15-20 Libyan Dinars a month per child. No Libyan citizen was given foreign currency as compensation.

40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.15
Bread was subsidized by the state. Whilst the price varies (marginally) from shop to shop, bread usually costs Ľ dinars for 10 baguettes (small) or roughly 500grams per dinar.

25% of Libyans have a university degree
The absence of a comprehensive selection process and a corrupt entry protocol means that universities in Libya are grossly over populated and over subscribed, despite limited facilities. This results in an over inflated number of graduates, but not necessarily an adequate level of employability. There are thousands of students studying foundation year medicine in Tripoli alone.

Gaddafi carried out the worldąs largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available.
The Jury is still out on this. The project has indeed supplied water to many towns and cities around Libya, but the cost is thought to be as stratastrophic as the time it took to complete this. Further, decades of an absence of appropriate licensing, monitoring and control has meant that wells were dug for every home, putting immense pressure on Libya’s natural and naturally replenishable water sources. This resulted in the increase of salinity in local water reserves, which lead to the need for an expansive project such as the Man Made River.
Nizar Mhani (Niz Ben-Essa) of the Free Generation Movement, 2011.
Source: https://m.facebook.com/notes/libya-outreach-group/myths-of-the-gaddafi-regime-explained/290695180954751
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Post by: Nintex on October 03, 2019, 03:46:24 AM
NATO: what even is a libya?  ???
*libya announces gold backed currency*
NATO: wow I hate Libya now
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Post by: Raist on October 03, 2019, 06:01:29 AM
https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardelli/the-uks-chief-brexit-negotiator-has-acknowledged-that?origin=btm-fd

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The UK’s chief Brexit negotiator has acknowledged that there could be a risk of smuggling across the border in Northern Ireland under proposals put forward by Boris Johnson on Wednesday.

Let's TAKE BACK CONTROL of our borders. Sort of kind of-ish.
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Post by: team filler on October 03, 2019, 09:33:27 AM
https://twitter.com/TheNewThinkerr/status/1179724685329752069
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Post by: Brehvolution on October 03, 2019, 01:20:59 PM
I can't find the tweet, but it was basically this:

Think of somewhere you want to go

You: Get in a cab. Tell driver to step on it.

Cab driver: Destination please

You: Just get it done!


Brexit in a nutshell
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Post by: Raist on October 03, 2019, 02:50:15 PM
https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1179753131506376705

:lol
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Post by: Nintex on October 03, 2019, 07:06:55 PM
While the US is still sobering up
- Hong Kong escalating
- Protests in Iraq with fatalities
- Zelensky paving the way for Donbass elections amid Nazi protests
- Saudi Arabia losing the war against the Houthi's (LMAO)
- North Korea does two new missile tests
- Russia helps China to build a missile defense system
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Post by: shosta on October 04, 2019, 12:01:34 AM
Quote from: filler on October 03, 2019, 09:33:27 AM
https://twitter.com/TheNewThinkerr/status/1179724685329752069
this is my fifth time watching this today and I'm still in total disbelief
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Post by: team filler on October 04, 2019, 12:02:44 AM
it's the key n peeles skit in reverse  ;)
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Post by: Tripon on October 04, 2019, 12:19:00 AM
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JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is considering a snap leadership vote in his Likud party, a spokesman said on Thursday, adding a new twist to Israeli politics after two deadlocked general elections this year.

A leadership vote would give Netanyahu an opportunity to win a new mandate from his party after his failure to secure a parliamentary majority in national elections in April and last month left him politically weakened.

In a statement, the party spokesman said Netanyahu was weighing the idea "to shatter the illusion of a Likud rebellion" against him and persuade any political rivals who might be anticipating one that they should join a unity government with him now.

Political commentators said victory in a Likud leadership election could also pre-empt a scenario in which Israel's president, who tasked Netanyahu last week with forming a government, might choose another member of the party to do so if the prime minister does not succeed.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/netanyahu-weighing-likud-leadership-election-160412172.html

(https://s2.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/GTbhMkIDkG4_qIaW5puXrQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW15O3E9NzU7dz00NTA7c209MQ--/https://media.zenfs.com/en-US/reuters.com/e5daccb8738213b541f5254704bdef9b)
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Post by: team filler on October 04, 2019, 01:20:55 AM
https://twitter.com/madanboukman/status/1179933372166164480

 8)
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Post by: team filler on October 04, 2019, 08:15:47 PM
https://twitter.com/Ansel/status/1180181836527480833

 :pimp
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Post by: Nintex on October 05, 2019, 08:03:52 AM
https://twitter.com/C_Barraud/status/1180443211011170304 (https://twitter.com/C_Barraud/status/1180443211011170304)

NATO's back bois  8)
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 05, 2019, 12:23:38 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-49945461

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The wife of a US diplomat has left the UK after being made a suspect in an investigation into a fatal crash.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2019, 12:51:47 PM
Diplomatic immunity!
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 05, 2019, 12:55:29 PM
Not a great time for a US/UK row. 
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Post by: Nintex on October 05, 2019, 01:03:09 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on October 05, 2019, 12:55:29 PM
Not a great time for a US/UK row.
No worries, neither Boris or Trump will move the conversation beyond: "But is she hot?".
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Post by: team filler on October 05, 2019, 01:07:58 PM
https://twitter.com/TomPark1n/status/1180516323522207744

 :pimp
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 05, 2019, 01:25:18 PM
TBF I'd be asking the question if it was about Edmonton.  Let them drink from the mall's pool, I say.
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Post by: Tripon on October 05, 2019, 01:42:05 PM
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1180515237633523713
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Post by: Nintex on October 05, 2019, 01:45:02 PM
Boris will ask for an extension and bets on Hungary vetoing it.  :lol

If that doesn't work Dominic will ask him to call Angela Merkel a fat pig and bomb a French village.
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Post by: Tripon on October 05, 2019, 04:12:19 PM
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1180574384504881152

 :brain
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Post by: curly on October 06, 2019, 11:42:25 PM
Quote from: filler on October 05, 2019, 01:07:58 PM
https://twitter.com/TomPark1n/status/1180516323522207744

 :pimp

settler colonialism annihilated :whew
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Post by: team filler on October 07, 2019, 10:27:52 AM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1181213147446820865
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 07, 2019, 11:02:48 AM
#FreeTibet

edit: top of the page maclachlan

spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: VomKriege on October 07, 2019, 04:07:51 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ireland-mixed-race-family-lidl-advert-racist-abuse-threat-leave-a9145186.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ireland-mixed-race-family-lidl-advert-racist-abuse-threat-leave-a9145186.html)

:fbm

Immigration debate in France, "Prime Minister not afraid of quotas".

:fbm
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Post by: team filler on October 07, 2019, 05:20:34 PM
https://twitter.com/CTVNews/status/1180905853194559488

 :-[
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Post by: Tripon on October 07, 2019, 11:29:27 PM
https://twitter.com/SouthPark/status/1181273539799736320
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Post by: curly on October 08, 2019, 12:07:48 AM
Seems like a desperate attempt to get someone to care about South Park in 2019
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Post by: curly on October 08, 2019, 12:10:08 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGT-U85U0AIMpa8?format=jpg)

 :-[
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Post by: team filler on October 08, 2019, 02:34:28 AM
https://twitter.com/joshua_landis/status/1181189292061810689
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: team filler on October 08, 2019, 02:38:32 AM
https://twitter.com/Marwa__Osman/status/1181453395577753600

https://twitter.com/Marwa__Osman/status/1181453398215974913

 :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Nintex on October 08, 2019, 03:14:27 AM
Quote from: filler on October 07, 2019, 05:20:34 PM
https://twitter.com/CTVNews/status/1180905853194559488

 :-[
Thanks Jared!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: team filler on October 08, 2019, 10:33:47 AM
https://twitter.com/RojavaNetwork/status/1181485376747294720

 :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 08, 2019, 11:30:29 AM
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/trump-s-odds-for-re-election-house-hippos-are-back-empire-strikes-door-bahamas-tourism-after-dorian-more-1.5306553/the-north-american-house-hippo-is-back-and-ready-to-tackle-fake-news-1.5306562?__vfz=medium%3Dsharebar

best thing canada has ever done
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Rufus on October 08, 2019, 11:38:58 AM
Should have used a pygmy hippo.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Raist on October 08, 2019, 02:41:22 PM
Brits going full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1181334406751035393
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Nintex on October 08, 2019, 02:44:50 PM
The EU wonders if Boris's proposal was some sort of 'mistake'.
EU officials left London disappointed and sad. Boris had a challenging call with Merkel.

https://twitter.com/EP_President/status/1181635230932901891 (https://twitter.com/EP_President/status/1181635230932901891)

Boris is doing more important things
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1181590220560588800 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1181590220560588800)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Rufus on October 08, 2019, 02:52:05 PM
https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1181519363783974912

Deja vu...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Occam on October 08, 2019, 04:02:57 PM
Top Secret Russian Unit Seeks to Destabilize Europe, Security Officials Say
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/08/world/europe/unit-29155-russia-gru.html

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First came a destabilization campaign in Moldova, followed by the poisoning of an arms dealer in Bulgaria and then a thwarted coup in Montenegro. Last year, there was an attempt to assassinate a former Russian spy in Britain using a nerve agent. Though the operations bore the fingerprints of Russia’s intelligence services, the authorities initially saw them as isolated, unconnected attacks.

Western security officials have now concluded that these operations, and potentially many others, are part of a coordinated and ongoing campaign to destabilize Europe, executed by an elite unit inside the Russian intelligence system skilled in subversion, sabotage and assassination.

The group, known as Unit 29155, has operated for at least a decade, yet Western officials only recently discovered it. Intelligence officials in four Western countries say it is unclear how often the unit is mobilized and warn that it is impossible to know when and where its operatives will strike.

The purpose of Unit 29155, which has not been previously reported, underscores the degree to which the Russian president, Vladimir V. Putin, is actively fighting the West with his brand of so-called hybrid warfare — a blend of propaganda, hacking attacks and disinformation — as well as open military confrontation.

“I think we had forgotten how organically ruthless the Russians could be,” said Peter Zwack, a retired military intelligence officer and former defense attaché at the United States Embassy in Moscow, who said he was not aware of the unit’s existence.

In a text message, Dmitri S. Peskov, Mr. Putin’s spokesman, directed questions about the unit to the Russian Defense Ministry. The ministry did not respond to requests for comment.

Hidden behind concrete walls at the headquarters of the 161st Special Purpose Specialist Training Center in eastern Moscow, the unit sits within the command hierarchy of the Russian military intelligence agency, widely known as the G.R.U.

Though much about G.R.U. operations remains a mystery, Western intelligence agencies have begun to get a clearer picture of its underlying architecture. In the months before the 2016 presidential election, American officials say two G.R.U. cyber units, known as 26165 and 74455, hacked into the servers of the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign, and then published embarrassing internal communications.

[Our correspondent Matt Apuzzo reported on Russia’s blueprint for foreign disruption on “The Weekly,” The Times’s TV show. Watch on FX and Hulu.]

Last year, Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel overseeing the inquiry into Russian interference in the 2016 elections, indicted more than a dozen officers from those units, though all still remain at large. The hacking teams mostly operate from Moscow, thousands of miles from their targets.

By contrast, officers from Unit 29155 travel to and from European countries. Some are decorated veterans of Russia’s bloodiest wars, including in Afghanistan, Chechnya and Ukraine. Its operations are so secret, according to assessments by Western intelligence services, that the unit’s existence is most likely unknown even to other G.R.U. operatives.

The unit appears to be a tight-knit community. A photograph taken in 2017 shows the unit’s commander, Maj. Gen. Andrei V. Averyanov, at his daughter’s wedding in a gray suit and bow tie. He is posing with Col. Anatoly V. Chepiga, one of two officers indicted in Britain over the poisoning of a former spy, Sergei V. Skripal.

“This is a unit of the G.R.U. that has been active over the years across Europe,” said one European security official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to describe classified intelligence matters. “It’s been a surprise that the Russians, the G.R.U., this unit, have felt free to go ahead and carry out this extreme malign activity in friendly countries. That’s been a shock.”

To varying degrees, each of the four operations linked to the unit attracted public attention, even as it took time for the authorities to confirm that they were connected. Western intelligence agencies first identified the unit after the failed 2016 coup in Montenegro, which involved a plot by two unit officers to kill the country’s prime minister and seize the Parliament building.

But officials began to grasp the unit’s specific agenda of disruption only after the March 2018 poisoning of Mr. Skripal, a former G.R.U. officer who had betrayed Russia by spying for the British. Mr. Skripal and his daughter, Yulia, fell grievously ill after exposure to a highly toxic nerve agent, but survived.

(Three other people were sickened, including a police officer and a man who found a small bottle that British officials believe was used to carry the nerve agent and gave it to his girlfriend. The girlfriend, Dawn Sturgess, died after spraying the nerve agent on her skin, mistaking the bottle for perfume.)

The poisoning led to a geopolitical standoff, with more than 20 nations, including the United States, expelling 150 Russian diplomats in a show of solidarity with Britain.

Ultimately, the British authorities exposed two suspects, who had traveled under aliases but were later identified by the investigative site Bellingcat as Colonel Chepiga and Alexander Mishkin. Six months after the poisoning, British prosecutors charged both men with transporting the nerve agent to Mr. Skripal’s home in Salisbury, England, and smearing it on his front door.

But the operation was more complex than officials revealed at the time.

Exactly a year before the poisoning, three Unit 29155 operatives traveled to Britain, possibly for a practice run, two European officials said. One was Mr. Mishkin. A second man used the alias Sergei Pavlov. Intelligence officials believe the third operative, who used the alias Sergei Fedotov, oversaw the mission.

Soon, officials established that two of these officers — the men using the names Fedotov and Pavlov — had been part of a team that attempted to poison the Bulgarian arms dealer  Emilian Gebrev in 2015. (The other operatives, also known only by their aliases, according to European intelligence officials, were Ivan Lebedev, Nikolai Kononikhin, Alexey Nikitin and Danil Stepanov.)

The team would twice try to kill Mr. Gebrev, once in Sofia, the capital, and again a month later at his home on the Black Sea.

Speaking to reporters in February at the Munich Security Conference, Alex Younger, the chief of MI6, Britain’s foreign intelligence service, spoke out against the growing Russian threat and hinted at coordination, without mentioning a specific unit.

“You can see there is a concerted program of activity — and, yes, it does often involve the same people,” Mr. Younger said, pointing specifically to the Skripal poisoning and the Montenegro coup attempt. He added: “We assess there is a standing threat from the G.R.U. and the other Russian intelligence services and that very little is off limits.”

The Kremlin sees Russia as being at war with a Western liberal order that it views as an existential threat.

At a ceremony in November for the G.R.U.’s centenary, Mr. Putin stood beneath a glowing backdrop of the agency’s logo — a red carnation and an exploding grenade — and described it as “legendary.” A former intelligence officer himself, Mr. Putin drew a direct line between the Red Army spies who helped defeat the Nazis in World War II and officers of the G.R.U., whose “unique capabilities” are now deployed against a different kind of enemy.

“Unfortunately, the potential for conflict is on the rise in the world,” Mr. Putin said during the ceremony. “Provocations and outright lies are being used and attempts are being made to disrupt strategic parity.”

In 2006, Mr. Putin signed a law legalizing targeted killings abroad, the same year a team of Russian assassins used a radioactive isotope to murder Aleksander V. Litvinenko, another former Russian spy, in London.

Unit 29155 is not the only group authorized to carry out such operations, officials said. The British authorities have attributed  Mr. Litvinenko’s killing to the Federal Security Service, the intelligence agency once headed by Mr. Putin that often competes with the G.R.U.

Although little is known about Unit 29155 itself, there are clues in public Russian records that suggest links to the Kremlin’s broader hybrid strategy.

A 2012 directive from the Russian Defense Ministry assigned bonuses to three units for “special achievements in military service.” One was Unit 29155. Another was Unit 74455, which was involved in the 2016 election interference. The third was Unit 99450, whose officers are believed to have been involved in the annexation of the Crimean Peninsula in 2014.

A retired G.R.U. officer with knowledge of Unit 29155 said that it specialized in preparing for “diversionary” missions, “in groups or individually — bombings, murders, anything.”

“They were serious guys who served there,” the retired officer said. “They were officers who worked undercover and as international agents.”

Photographs of the unit’s dilapidated former headquarters, which has since been abandoned, show myriad gun racks with labels for an assortment of weapons, including Belgian FN-30 sniper rifles, German G3A3s, Austrian Steyr AUGs and American M16s. There was also a form outlining a training regimen, including exercises for hand-to-hand combat. The retired G.R.U. officer confirmed the authenticity of the photographs, which were published by a Russian blogger.

The current commander, General Averyanov, graduated in 1988 from the Tashkent Military Academy in what was then the Soviet Republic of Uzbekistan. It is likely that he would have fought in both the first and second Chechen wars, and he was awarded a Hero of Russia medal, the country’s highest honor, in January 2015. The two officers charged with the Skripal poisoning also received the same award.

Though an elite force, the unit appears to operate on a shoestring budget. According to Russian records, General Averyanov lives in a run-down Soviet-era building a few blocks from the unit’s headquarters and drives a 1996 VAZ 21053, a rattletrap Russia-made sedan. Operatives often share cheap accommodation to economize while on the road. British investigators say the suspects in the Skripal poisoning stayed in a low-cost hotel in Bow, a downtrodden neighborhood in East London.

But European security officials are also perplexed by the apparent sloppiness in the unit’s operations. Mr. Skripal survived the assassination attempt, as did Mr. Gebrev, the Bulgarian arms dealer. The attempted coup in Montenegro drew an enormous amount of attention, but ultimately failed. A year later, Montenegro joined NATO. It is possible, security officials say, that they have yet to discover other, more successful operations.

It is difficult to know if the messiness has bothered the Kremlin. Perhaps, intelligence experts say, it is part of the point.

“That kind of intelligence operation has become part of the psychological warfare,” said Eerik-Niiles Kross, a former intelligence chief in Estonia. “It’s not that they have become that much more aggressive. They want to be felt. It’s part of the game.”
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: team filler on October 08, 2019, 04:59:52 PM
https://twitter.com/TheArabSource/status/1181669189913907200

 :clap
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: kingv on October 08, 2019, 06:15:08 PM
If the Russians and Israelis starred shooting each other, that would actually be pretty awesome.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Nintex on October 08, 2019, 06:26:28 PM
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1181692299828482049 (https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1181692299828482049)

lmao
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Occam on October 08, 2019, 06:46:28 PM
So, unless Johnson comes up with a workable final proposal tomorrow, there'll be a no-deal Brexit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Nintex on October 08, 2019, 06:48:03 PM
No deal, Brexit
No, deal Brexit
No deal Brexit

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 08, 2019, 07:48:09 PM
20 minutes into last night's Canada debate - this is really shameful. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 08, 2019, 07:49:05 PM
I forgot about that and feel apathetic to that as a whole, I really should read up on it
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Tripon on October 08, 2019, 10:15:32 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGXwbcKWkAEv10e?format=jpg&name=900x900)

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: shosta on October 08, 2019, 10:40:43 PM
This is just fantasizing out loud but I'd love for the EU to back Irish reunification in the event of a no deal brexit :lawd
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 08, 2019, 11:04:02 PM
lmao
that's right, take a hike hans
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: kingv on October 08, 2019, 11:12:25 PM
Fucking frogs trying to take Britain’s shine!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: team filler on October 08, 2019, 11:35:16 PM
Quote from: shosta on October 08, 2019, 10:40:43 PM
This is just fantasizing out loud but I'd love for the EU to back Irish reunification in the event of a no deal brexit :lawd
https://twitter.com/AWAKEALERT/status/1181568169904934912

 ;)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 09, 2019, 01:14:27 AM
damn, where is that superpower 2020 video
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 09, 2019, 01:21:39 AM
nevermind, the video was 2030
this is your future, wh*tes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6Lznha9EQ0

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: kingv on October 09, 2019, 09:23:03 AM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on October 09, 2019, 01:14:27 AM
damn, where is that superpower 2020 video

By 2020 was when they were supposed to solve public defecation. From there, the sky is the limit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Occam on October 09, 2019, 09:42:26 AM
Quote from: Occam on October 08, 2019, 06:46:28 PM
So, unless Johnson comes up with a workable final proposal tomorrow, there'll be a no-deal Brexit.

My bad, Johnson has to deliver his proposal to the EU before the 11th, meaning he has another day.
(Not expecting anything).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Raist on October 09, 2019, 10:54:47 AM
The unfaltering support to BoJo from his own family continues.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49987567

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Boris Johnson's father has told Extinction Rebellion protesters that their work is "extremely important" - less than two days after his son labelled them "uncooperative crusties".
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Brehvolution on October 09, 2019, 10:54:57 AM
Quote from: kingv on October 08, 2019, 06:15:08 PM
If the Russians and Israelis starred shooting each other, that would actually be pretty awesome.

https://www.discoveryworld.us/bible-prophesy/the-coming-war-with-russia-part-2/

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The fact is, Russia is one of the major end-time players described in the Old Testament prophecies of Ezekiel and Jeremiah. According to Ezekiel, Russia (Gog of the land of Magog) will one day gather a huge armada of armed forces including many soldiers from the Islamic countries of the Middle East. Like a massive storm or swarm of grasshoppers covering the land, they will attempt to invade the ancient land of Israel.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Nintex on October 09, 2019, 03:24:34 PM
So Boris will send Nigel as the UK man in Brussels to veto everything if there is an extension. :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Occam on October 09, 2019, 03:31:27 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/10/09/we-fought-isis-side-by-side-with-americans-now-theyre-leaving-us-our-fate/

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We fought ISIS side by side with the Americans. Now they’re leaving us to our fate.

By Ilham Ahmed
Oct. 9, 2019 at 5:48 p.m. UTC

Ilham Ahmed is a co-president of the Democratic Council of Syria.

The organization I represent, the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), is the ally of the global coalition against the Islamic State. Our relationship with the United States began in 2014, after the battle of Kobani, when our men and women in uniform astonished the world with their heroic defense against Islamic State jihadists.

I was one of the main advocates for sustaining and improving the relationship between Syrians and Americans. Skeptics warned me: “The U.S has no friends, only interests.” But I rejected such sentiments as an anti-American narrative encouraged by our enemies. Now it turns out that the pessimists were right. I was wrong.

Founded in 2015, the SDF is an alliance of Arab, Kurdish, Syriac and Turkmen groups fighting for a secular, democratic and decentralized Syria. With the support of our coalition partners, we captured nearly all the territory the Islamic State once held in Syria, including Raqqa, the so-called capital of the Islamic State.

The forces of the Islamic State see us as their sworn enemy. Yet the Islamic State also used its foothold in Syria and the vacuum created by Turkey to spread its terror to Europe and the United States. It used its guns and considerable resources to create a sharia state. With the comparatively limited resources we received, we successfully defeated the Islamic State and built a system of good governance in northeast Syria, including democratic checks and balances, that replaced both Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s murderous oppression and the terrorism of the jihadists. We created the foundations for a stable Syria in the areas under our control.

The United States has not always treated us like a full partner; it refused to listen to our concerns about Turkish intervention, and it excluded us from United Nations-brokered talks on the future of Syria. U.S. officials told us to destroy our defensive fortifications on the border with Turkey, to withdraw heavy weapons and to pull back our fighters. Although this left our families and children exposed to Turkey and the jihadist groups, the United States promised it would maintain border security. We obliged because we desire peace with Turkey and because we trusted the United States to make good on its commitments.

The sacrifices we made to defeat the Islamic State were not just a service to our people but also a service to the United States, Europe and the entire international community, who faced a real and present threat from terrorism. We expected our sacrifice and commitment to be repaid in kind.

Instead, now we have been betrayed. President Trump has ordered U.S. troops in our territory to withdraw, exposing us to an invasion by Turkish troops who aim to destroy us.

The American decision not only puts the lives of countless thousands at risk. It also increases the likelihood of a resurgence of the global terror threat we worked so hard together with the US and its allies to defeat. Thousands of Islamic State fighters are in our custody. Guarding them takes huge amounts of resources. Now that we are forced to fend off a Turkish invasion, we will have no choice but to redirect our forces who are guarding the Islamic State prisoners. Many of them are European passport holders. Their escape would pose a grave danger to Europe and beyond. This is not a threat, merely a reality — we cannot both defend against Turkey and maintain security over the Islamic State prisoners. Our people and our homes must come first. It is our obligation.

We acknowledge Turkish military strength. But we are self-confident and full of resolve. Now that we are under attack, all of us — including me — will pick up our weapons and fight to the end. Self-defense is our right. We are a capable defensive army that has millions of supporters. And we will be protecting hundreds of thousands of people who belong to persecuted minorities: Kurds and Assyrians, Christians and Yazidis.

We prefer to pursue peace. There is still room to prevent conflict between Turkey and northeast Syria and the dire global consequences that will ensue. But success requires the active engagement of the United States and the international community. That will require three conditions: facilitating a resolution of our differences with Turkey so we can coexist peacefully as neighbors; our inclusion in U.N.-led Syrian peace talks so we can secure a viable political future for the whole of Syria; and discussions without procrastination about the Islamic State prisoners in our custody so there can be a safe and sustainable answer on how to process them.

Despite the betrayal we have endured, we still believe in American values and our true friends in U.S. uniform — those who stood shoulder to shoulder with our fighters and who changed widespread impressions here about the United States. We saw how dismayed many of them were after hearing the news about withdrawal and how the United States had opened the way to Turkish invasion.

We hope that our confidence in core American values is not misplaced. We are ready to play our part to achieve progress toward peace with Turkey, peace in Syria and a sustainable solution to the Islamic State prisoners. But it is now up to the United States and the international community to engage with us. The choice is clear: peace and stability — or conflict and chaos that will reverberate around the world.

Note: The SDF has imprisoned 11,000 former members of ISIS. They are about to be let loose on the rest of the world.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: VomKriege on October 09, 2019, 03:40:54 PM
Turns out Trump was also jealous of Obama and Clinton creating ISIS and has to one up that too.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: Nintex on October 09, 2019, 03:42:10 PM
Turkey has begun the land invasion of Syria from 3 fronts.

https://twitter.com/tcsavunma/status/1182017350821912577 (https://twitter.com/tcsavunma/status/1182017350821912577)
Operation Peace Spring, that's the most #lagestagecapitalism name for a military operation ever.  :doge


https://twitter.com/eu_eeas/status/1182017987496366082 (https://twitter.com/eu_eeas/status/1182017987496366082)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: shosta on October 09, 2019, 06:15:37 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 08, 2019, 06:26:28 PM
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1181692299828482049 (https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1181692299828482049)

lmao

We really need Elizabeth to step up and get the UK on the path back to an absolute monarchy.

At the very least, pre-Glorious Revolution levels of power.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: kingv on October 09, 2019, 11:00:48 PM
I can’t wait to watch BoJo equivocate about how well Brexit is going a few months from now. Going to be fucking hilarious.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Nintex on October 10, 2019, 03:54:49 AM
 https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1182037846573666305 (https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1182037846573666305)

Thank you Jeremy!


https://twitter.com/itvpeston/status/1182020313929805824 (https://twitter.com/itvpeston/status/1182020313929805824)

 :doge :brain
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Nintex on October 10, 2019, 02:01:03 PM
https://twitter.com/RudawEnglish/status/1182350120647614465 (https://twitter.com/RudawEnglish/status/1182350120647614465)

 :idont
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran
Post by: kingv on October 10, 2019, 02:16:09 PM
Quote from: Occam on October 08, 2019, 04:02:57 PM
Top Secret Russian Unit Seeks to Destabilize Europe, Security Officials Say
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/08/world/europe/unit-29155-russia-gru.html

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First came a destabilization campaign in Moldova, followed by the poisoning of an arms dealer in Bulgaria and then a thwarted coup in Montenegro. Last year, there was an attempt to assassinate a former Russian spy in Britain using a nerve agent. Though the operations bore the fingerprints of Russia’s intelligence services, the authorities initially saw them as isolated, unconnected attacks.

Western security officials have now concluded that these operations, and potentially many others, are part of a coordinated and ongoing campaign to destabilize Europe, executed by an elite unit inside the Russian intelligence system skilled in subversion, sabotage and assassination.

The group, known as Unit 29155, has operated for at least a decade, yet Western officials only recently discovered it. Intelligence officials in four Western countries say it is unclear how often the unit is mobilized and warn that it is impossible to know when and where its operatives will strike.

The purpose of Unit 29155, which has not been previously reported, underscores the degree to which the Russian president, Vladimir V. Putin, is actively fighting the West with his brand of so-called hybrid warfare — a blend of propaganda, hacking attacks and disinformation — as well as open military confrontation.

“I think we had forgotten how organically ruthless the Russians could be,” said Peter Zwack, a retired military intelligence officer and former defense attaché at the United States Embassy in Moscow, who said he was not aware of the unit’s existence.

In a text message, Dmitri S. Peskov, Mr. Putin’s spokesman, directed questions about the unit to the Russian Defense Ministry. The ministry did not respond to requests for comment.

Hidden behind concrete walls at the headquarters of the 161st Special Purpose Specialist Training Center in eastern Moscow, the unit sits within the command hierarchy of the Russian military intelligence agency, widely known as the G.R.U.

Though much about G.R.U. operations remains a mystery, Western intelligence agencies have begun to get a clearer picture of its underlying architecture. In the months before the 2016 presidential election, American officials say two G.R.U. cyber units, known as 26165 and 74455, hacked into the servers of the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign, and then published embarrassing internal communications.

[Our correspondent Matt Apuzzo reported on Russia’s blueprint for foreign disruption on “The Weekly,” The Times’s TV show. Watch on FX and Hulu.]

Last year, Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel overseeing the inquiry into Russian interference in the 2016 elections, indicted more than a dozen officers from those units, though all still remain at large. The hacking teams mostly operate from Moscow, thousands of miles from their targets.

By contrast, officers from Unit 29155 travel to and from European countries. Some are decorated veterans of Russia’s bloodiest wars, including in Afghanistan, Chechnya and Ukraine. Its operations are so secret, according to assessments by Western intelligence services, that the unit’s existence is most likely unknown even to other G.R.U. operatives.

The unit appears to be a tight-knit community. A photograph taken in 2017 shows the unit’s commander, Maj. Gen. Andrei V. Averyanov, at his daughter’s wedding in a gray suit and bow tie. He is posing with Col. Anatoly V. Chepiga, one of two officers indicted in Britain over the poisoning of a former spy, Sergei V. Skripal.

“This is a unit of the G.R.U. that has been active over the years across Europe,” said one European security official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to describe classified intelligence matters. “It’s been a surprise that the Russians, the G.R.U., this unit, have felt free to go ahead and carry out this extreme malign activity in friendly countries. That’s been a shock.”

To varying degrees, each of the four operations linked to the unit attracted public attention, even as it took time for the authorities to confirm that they were connected. Western intelligence agencies first identified the unit after the failed 2016 coup in Montenegro, which involved a plot by two unit officers to kill the country’s prime minister and seize the Parliament building.

But officials began to grasp the unit’s specific agenda of disruption only after the March 2018 poisoning of Mr. Skripal, a former G.R.U. officer who had betrayed Russia by spying for the British. Mr. Skripal and his daughter, Yulia, fell grievously ill after exposure to a highly toxic nerve agent, but survived.

(Three other people were sickened, including a police officer and a man who found a small bottle that British officials believe was used to carry the nerve agent and gave it to his girlfriend. The girlfriend, Dawn Sturgess, died after spraying the nerve agent on her skin, mistaking the bottle for perfume.)

The poisoning led to a geopolitical standoff, with more than 20 nations, including the United States, expelling 150 Russian diplomats in a show of solidarity with Britain.

Ultimately, the British authorities exposed two suspects, who had traveled under aliases but were later identified by the investigative site Bellingcat as Colonel Chepiga and Alexander Mishkin. Six months after the poisoning, British prosecutors charged both men with transporting the nerve agent to Mr. Skripal’s home in Salisbury, England, and smearing it on his front door.

But the operation was more complex than officials revealed at the time.

Exactly a year before the poisoning, three Unit 29155 operatives traveled to Britain, possibly for a practice run, two European officials said. One was Mr. Mishkin. A second man used the alias Sergei Pavlov. Intelligence officials believe the third operative, who used the alias Sergei Fedotov, oversaw the mission.

Soon, officials established that two of these officers — the men using the names Fedotov and Pavlov — had been part of a team that attempted to poison the Bulgarian arms dealer  Emilian Gebrev in 2015. (The other operatives, also known only by their aliases, according to European intelligence officials, were Ivan Lebedev, Nikolai Kononikhin, Alexey Nikitin and Danil Stepanov.)

The team would twice try to kill Mr. Gebrev, once in Sofia, the capital, and again a month later at his home on the Black Sea.

Speaking to reporters in February at the Munich Security Conference, Alex Younger, the chief of MI6, Britain’s foreign intelligence service, spoke out against the growing Russian threat and hinted at coordination, without mentioning a specific unit.

“You can see there is a concerted program of activity — and, yes, it does often involve the same people,” Mr. Younger said, pointing specifically to the Skripal poisoning and the Montenegro coup attempt. He added: “We assess there is a standing threat from the G.R.U. and the other Russian intelligence services and that very little is off limits.”

The Kremlin sees Russia as being at war with a Western liberal order that it views as an existential threat.

At a ceremony in November for the G.R.U.’s centenary, Mr. Putin stood beneath a glowing backdrop of the agency’s logo — a red carnation and an exploding grenade — and described it as “legendary.” A former intelligence officer himself, Mr. Putin drew a direct line between the Red Army spies who helped defeat the Nazis in World War II and officers of the G.R.U., whose “unique capabilities” are now deployed against a different kind of enemy.

“Unfortunately, the potential for conflict is on the rise in the world,” Mr. Putin said during the ceremony. “Provocations and outright lies are being used and attempts are being made to disrupt strategic parity.”

In 2006, Mr. Putin signed a law legalizing targeted killings abroad, the same year a team of Russian assassins used a radioactive isotope to murder Aleksander V. Litvinenko, another former Russian spy, in London.

Unit 29155 is not the only group authorized to carry out such operations, officials said. The British authorities have attributed  Mr. Litvinenko’s killing to the Federal Security Service, the intelligence agency once headed by Mr. Putin that often competes with the G.R.U.

Although little is known about Unit 29155 itself, there are clues in public Russian records that suggest links to the Kremlin’s broader hybrid strategy.

A 2012 directive from the Russian Defense Ministry assigned bonuses to three units for “special achievements in military service.” One was Unit 29155. Another was Unit 74455, which was involved in the 2016 election interference. The third was Unit 99450, whose officers are believed to have been involved in the annexation of the Crimean Peninsula in 2014.

A retired G.R.U. officer with knowledge of Unit 29155 said that it specialized in preparing for “diversionary” missions, “in groups or individually — bombings, murders, anything.”

“They were serious guys who served there,” the retired officer said. “They were officers who worked undercover and as international agents.”

Photographs of the unit’s dilapidated former headquarters, which has since been abandoned, show myriad gun racks with labels for an assortment of weapons, including Belgian FN-30 sniper rifles, German G3A3s, Austrian Steyr AUGs and American M16s. There was also a form outlining a training regimen, including exercises for hand-to-hand combat. The retired G.R.U. officer confirmed the authenticity of the photographs, which were published by a Russian blogger.

The current commander, General Averyanov, graduated in 1988 from the Tashkent Military Academy in what was then the Soviet Republic of Uzbekistan. It is likely that he would have fought in both the first and second Chechen wars, and he was awarded a Hero of Russia medal, the country’s highest honor, in January 2015. The two officers charged with the Skripal poisoning also received the same award.

Though an elite force, the unit appears to operate on a shoestring budget. According to Russian records, General Averyanov lives in a run-down Soviet-era building a few blocks from the unit’s headquarters and drives a 1996 VAZ 21053, a rattletrap Russia-made sedan. Operatives often share cheap accommodation to economize while on the road. British investigators say the suspects in the Skripal poisoning stayed in a low-cost hotel in Bow, a downtrodden neighborhood in East London.

But European security officials are also perplexed by the apparent sloppiness in the unit’s operations. Mr. Skripal survived the assassination attempt, as did Mr. Gebrev, the Bulgarian arms dealer. The attempted coup in Montenegro drew an enormous amount of attention, but ultimately failed. A year later, Montenegro joined NATO. It is possible, security officials say, that they have yet to discover other, more successful operations.

It is difficult to know if the messiness has bothered the Kremlin. Perhaps, intelligence experts say, it is part of the point.

“That kind of intelligence operation has become part of the psychological warfare,” said Eerik-Niiles Kross, a former intelligence chief in Estonia. “It’s not that they have become that much more aggressive. They want to be felt. It’s part of the game.”

On the plus side, I’m sure that the scrutiny given to “who is and isn’t ISIS” was about as good as The “Who is and isn’t Al Qaeda” that ended up with a bunch of innocent people in GITMO and CIA black sites.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: team filler on October 10, 2019, 04:38:53 PM
https://twitter.com/netanyahu/status/1182268451269857281

 :curious
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Nintex on October 11, 2019, 03:01:43 PM
https://twitter.com/MevlutCavusoglu/status/1182612729653280768 (https://twitter.com/MevlutCavusoglu/status/1182612729653280768)

 :yeshrug
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: VomKriege on October 11, 2019, 05:57:18 PM
Jesus, Europe has been defanged something fierce in Syria.
I guess there's not a lot of wiggle room because of the cooperation with Turkey over hosting refugees and everyone being a NATO member here... But still.

I guess we'll have to settle for negotiating some settlement, hosting high profile political refugees or punching the table to nominally save some civilian pockets at the twilight hour.
:fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Nintex on October 11, 2019, 06:08:47 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on October 11, 2019, 05:57:18 PM
Jesus, Europe has been defanged something fierce in Syria.
I guess there's not a lot of wiggle room because of the cooperation with Turkey over hosting refugees and everyone being a NATO member here... But still.

I guess we'll have to settle for negotiating some settlement, hosting high profile political refugees or punching the table to nominally save some civilian pockets at the twilight hour.
:fbm
The Turks are 'accidentally' bombing US special forces and bases near Kobane, trying to force them to withdraw.
Footage on social-media shows Turkey is using former ISIS members as proxies. Anyone who thinks Erdogan will stop at that "safe zone" is delusional.

The Kurds and Christians in Syria will be crushed by the Turkish army or forced to convert to Islam by the remaining Jihadist groups and unless somebody wants to risk a ground war in Syria or the Kurds pull off a military miracle there's no escaping it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: VomKriege on October 11, 2019, 07:25:25 PM
Well, at least the choice of stonewalling any eventual transfer of jihadists back to their own countries for judgement and let them in charge of authorities in those very stable regions is about to pay off handsomely.

 :juicy
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: team filler on October 11, 2019, 07:39:22 PM
https://twitter.com/DenisRogatyuk/status/1182106745574957056

 :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: VomKriege on October 11, 2019, 07:44:28 PM
Quote
A conflict between its two most important instruments of enforcement is the most obvious sign of a neoliberal state on the brink of collapse

 :doge

I would imagine it's an alarming sign for any state, neoliberal or not.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: shosta on October 11, 2019, 07:56:26 PM
Quote from: filler on October 11, 2019, 07:39:22 PM
https://twitter.com/DenisRogatyuk/status/1182106745574957056

 :rejoice
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81W2QYe8VHL._RI_.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: team filler on October 12, 2019, 05:37:42 PM
https://twitter.com/KevorkAlmassian/status/1183130831189151744


 :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Nintex on October 12, 2019, 07:24:31 PM
Welp,  the Turkish forces send by Erdogan have started to execute SDF units in the streets.
Graphic videos have hit social media.

MSM: "Trump did this :hmph"

No, the US and the EU did it you fucking dolts. When they didn't support the Turkish officers mounting a coup against ISIS in a suit.

EU can't do jack shit because Erdogan is threatening them with 3.5 million refugees.
Wait, I thought we wanted everyone to come here to work in the German auto industry?  ???

The slobs in the news media wrote more about Joker controversies that didn't exist than they did about Erdogan invading Syria.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: shosta on October 12, 2019, 08:20:14 PM
Saying western countries should have engaged in a violent regime change operation within a NATO ally is preferable to using a mixture of hard and soft power to secure one small corner of Syria :neogaf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: team filler on October 12, 2019, 08:21:43 PM
https://twitter.com/eha_news/status/1183077433924304896
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Nintex on October 12, 2019, 08:29:47 PM
Quote from: shosta on October 12, 2019, 08:20:14 PM
Saying western countries should have engaged in a violent regime change operation within a NATO ally is preferable to using a mixture of hard and soft power to secure one small corner of Syria :neogaf
If you think Erdogan is going to secure a 'small corner' of Syria I have a bridge to the Crimea to sell you.
Erdogan is just ISIS in s suit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: shosta on October 12, 2019, 08:36:31 PM
No, idiot, I'm saying this is Trump's fault and the US should have done that. And that that's way easier than a fucking coup.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Nintex on October 13, 2019, 11:12:05 AM
- The US is evacuating all their 1000's of troops from Syria as Erdogan expands the operation beyond the 'safe zone'
- Turkey has hit civilian convoys of Kurds
- Journalists are being shot at
- US concerned Turkey has committed war crimes
- Russia has started bombing hospitals
- Russia has re-engaged rebel held Idlib
- The Kurds and Syrians are cutting a deal with Russia to counterattack against the Turks in the North

Quote
“In the last 24 hours, we learned that [the Turks] likely intend to extend their attack further south than originally planned, and to the west,” Esper said in a pre-taped interview with “Face the Nation” on CBS.

“We also have learned in the last 24 hours that the ... SDF are looking to cut a deal, if you will, with the Syrians and the Russians to counterattack against the Turks in the north.”

As of this hour Erdogan has not yet choked on a dick.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Tripon on October 13, 2019, 11:22:35 AM
I can't follow what Nintex's line of thinking is.

I'm assuming he's talking about the attempted coup in 2016 in Turkey against Erdogan. Like, even if you think Erdogan's a religious fanatic, the common refrain is that people committing the coup were from a former ally/now rival political sect that is also heavily religious.

And if the U.S. and Europe 'did this' by not actively toppling another relatively stable country, then I'm not sure what the answer should be then, other than ensuring that Turkey wouldn't attack the Kurds in Syria because you know, that's another country that may harbor elements that that are dangerous to Turkey, but this is an invasion into another country. Turkey didn't try to do this until the U.S. pulled support. That particular set of conditions didn't happen until Trump publicly said this is now U.S. policy. Twice BTW, he tried to pull out of Syria by end of 2018 and was slow walked back by his military advisors, and now he just doesn't care.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: team filler on October 13, 2019, 11:46:35 AM
https://twitter.com/joshua_landis/status/1183405793825177600

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: team filler on October 13, 2019, 12:51:15 PM
https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1183422686225145856

https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1183423444639195136
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Nintex on October 13, 2019, 01:22:40 PM
The SDF has handed Manbij and Kobani to the Syrian Arab Army in exchange for help against the Turks.
The Syrian Arab Army is now moving North to confront the Turkish invasion.

https://twitter.com/gorranddr/status/1183424992031232000 (https://twitter.com/gorranddr/status/1183424992031232000)

https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1183432114034954240 (https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1183432114034954240)

It is unclear if Russia will provide the Syrians air support against the Turks.
They are expected to do reconnaissance and maybe attack the militia's but not the main Turkish army itself. 

France is said to consider an intervention.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Tripon on October 13, 2019, 01:51:30 PM
https://twitter.com/antoguerrera/status/1183041386121224194

Reminder: Current deadline for Brexit is October 31st, 2019
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Occam on October 13, 2019, 01:52:37 PM
Hundreds of ISIS Supporters Flee Detention Amid Turkish Airstrikes

The attacks caused about 700 Islamic State families to escape a Kurdish-run camp. The American defense secretary also said the U.S. would pull about 1,000 troops from the area.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/13/world/middleeast/syria-turkey-invasion-isis.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

I seriously hope they flee straight to the US.
Would be willing to donate money to a Come Home to America Fund to help end this humanitarian crisis this way.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Tripon on October 13, 2019, 02:28:17 PM
https://twitter.com/TheBirmingham6/status/1169033717295276032
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Rufus on October 13, 2019, 02:31:39 PM
Quote from: Tripon on October 13, 2019, 02:28:17 PM
https://twitter.com/TheBirmingham6/status/1169033717295276032
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mark-and-carrie/id1477483752

If you want to hear more idle musings from the guy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Nintex on October 14, 2019, 01:14:42 PM
So...
- The US sets off to oust Assad for 'reasons'
- The US arms radical rebels to oust Assad
- Obama and Cameron can't get their countries to support air strikes
- Entire region is thrown into chaos by warring factions including ISIS
- Russia enters Syria to put the government back in control in the power vacuum
- The US sends special forces into Syria to create a Kurdish rump state who will do the fighting against ISIS
- Russia/Syria win the war against ISIS with US/Kurdish help
- Turkey invades Syria to prevent the Kurds from creating their own state
- US pulls out of Kurdish areas, unwilling and unable to fight a NATO ally
- Syria and Russia set off to defend Kurdish areas against Turkey as Kurds strike a deal with Assad

MSM: "another WIN for Vladimir Putin!"

Yes, returning to the status quo of friendly relations with a landmass named Syria is a 'HUGE WIN' for Vladimir Putin.
He must be thrilled the country is a bombed out ISIS wasteland and he may have to fight Turkish backed forces risking a wider conflict.

I can't believe Trump just gave away Syria. Especially because staying in Afghanistan and Iraq worked out so well.

US interests are at risk! They scream.
What interests? The interest of drone strikes? Oil, bitch you cookin'? The interest of forming a Kurdish state next to NATO ally Turkey as a sort of Israel 2.0?
What the fuck were they thinking.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: team filler on October 14, 2019, 01:38:41 PM
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1183792079622701056


 :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Nintex on October 14, 2019, 02:07:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znA8b5RMfSg

LMAO

Putin looked like he was ready to nuke the planet.

THANKS JARED!  8)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Crash Dummy on October 14, 2019, 03:19:01 PM
https://twitter.com/PALE_Primate/status/1183549178493984768 (https://twitter.com/PALE_Primate/status/1183549178493984768)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Nintex on October 14, 2019, 03:42:05 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1183822494031065088 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1183822494031065088)

 :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Nintex on October 14, 2019, 04:19:23 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EG3SarFWsAUW-Ed?format=jpg&name=large)

So much for Turkey's economy
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: team filler on October 14, 2019, 08:01:12 PM
https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1183835091077873672

fake news is fake  :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Tripon on October 14, 2019, 10:39:54 PM
https://twitter.com/MarcJSpearsESPN/status/1183916963338186752
https://twitter.com/KingJames/status/1183934569411530752
https://twitter.com/KingJames/status/952902403422150657
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: HaughtyFrank on October 15, 2019, 08:08:35 AM
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1183695636857622528

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 15, 2019, 08:53:21 AM
Quote from: Tripon on October 14, 2019, 10:39:54 PM
https://twitter.com/MarcJSpearsESPN/status/1183916963338186752
https://twitter.com/KingJames/status/1183934569411530752

What a thoroughly limp-wristed take.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: shosta on October 15, 2019, 11:54:34 AM
(https://i.redd.it/ugm9hlzgnos31.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Nintex on October 15, 2019, 01:51:49 PM
So Russia took over the US military bases in Syria.
What they found was ammo, supplies, working equipment and whiteboards with dick memes.

 :lol


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EG7k-JMXkAAbeX3?format=png&name=small)
A Trump never pays his debts  8)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: shosta on October 15, 2019, 03:03:08 PM
Iraq is basically a proxy for Iranian interests now so I have no idea which leaders he was talking to that he thought were interested in his whining.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Occam on October 15, 2019, 04:12:59 PM
"Boris Johnson 'on brink of Brexit deal' after border concessions"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/15/boris-johnson-close-to-brexit-deal-after-border-concessions
Quote
It is understood that the negotiating teams have agreed in principle that there will be a customs border down the Irish Sea. A similar arrangement was rejected by Theresa May as a deal that no British prime minister could accept.

Johnson will still have to win over parliament – including the Democratic Unionist party (DUP) and the hardline Tory Brexiters of the European Research Group (ERG) – on the basis that, under the deal, Northern Ireland will still legally be within the UK’s customs territory.

One Eurosceptic source close to both camps indicated that such an arrangement would be “extremely difficult for the DUP to swallow”, but neither the DUP nor ERG publicly made any criticism of Johnson’s efforts.

We shall see.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Raist on October 15, 2019, 04:50:25 PM
Quote from: HaughtyFrank on October 15, 2019, 08:08:35 AM
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1183695636857622528

And then they just open the doors just 1 second after she knocks. Much authority such Commons wow :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Nintex on October 15, 2019, 05:51:09 PM
Corbyn won't vote for a deal brokered by Johnson. It would be political suicide.
Neither would the libdems who are in favor of remaining.

If Boris passes this deal he secures his (re-)election. As elections would follow swiftly before the consequences of the deal are clear.
Remainers would see no reason to head to the polls if the UK is already out and would be furious at their parties for failing to stop Johnson.
The Brexit party would likely dissolve, handing the Tories an easy election win. Labour party big wigs would finally be able to oust Corbyn.

The opposition strategy is to hold firm until October 31st so Boris can't exit, has to extend, resign and call elections.
An extension would be long as the EU isn't going to do this song and dance over and over again. Probably up to another year.
With Boris soundly defeated but still standing for re-election the keys of no. 10 would then go to either Corbyn or more likely Nigel.

So barring some miracle of Labour voting with Johnson, the DUP falling in line or public pressure - nothing will pass on Saturday.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 15, 2019, 08:38:55 PM
Listening to family/friends on politics coming into the election has been grand  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Uncle on October 15, 2019, 11:47:47 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 15, 2019, 08:53:21 AM
Quote from: Tripon on October 14, 2019, 10:39:54 PM
https://twitter.com/MarcJSpearsESPN/status/1183916963338186752
https://twitter.com/KingJames/status/1183934569411530752

What a thoroughly limp-wristed take.

(https://i.imgur.com/hGVORWy.png)

 :teehee
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 16, 2019, 06:06:03 AM
Quote from: HaughtyFrank on October 15, 2019, 08:08:35 AM
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1183695636857622528

Quote
Lady Usher of the Black Rod Sarah Clarke

BBC Politics indeed :teehee
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: team filler on October 16, 2019, 01:19:39 PM
https://twitter.com/venanalysis/status/1184512572336328705

 :dobbs
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: team filler on October 16, 2019, 02:14:30 PM
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1184424161978003456
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Nintex on October 16, 2019, 02:29:19 PM
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1184534638255136774 (https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1184534638255136774)

 :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 16, 2019, 06:24:37 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/porn-block-uk-ban-government-bill-website-delay-sex-a9158396.html

:dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Nintex on October 16, 2019, 06:52:42 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on October 16, 2019, 06:24:37 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/porn-block-uk-ban-government-bill-website-delay-sex-a9158396.html

:dead
Like there would ever be a porn ban from a Boris Johnson government  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: team filler on October 17, 2019, 12:37:05 AM
https://twitter.com/abdbozkurt/status/1184420676679147520

 :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 17, 2019, 12:48:43 AM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on October 16, 2019, 06:24:37 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/porn-block-uk-ban-government-bill-website-delay-sex-a9158396.html

:dead

:piss UK :piss2

:bow anime tiddies :bow2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Occam on October 17, 2019, 06:16:36 AM
They reached a deal, but since parliament has to agree to it, too and Johnson doesn't have the votes, nothing changes. DUP also opposes it.
So after all this time, we are back to exactly where we were with Theresa May, only with a worse deal for the UK.

Just as last time, I seriously hope the EU won't agree to yet another extension that isn't going to change anything.

I read today that apparently now 54% of Britons are in favor of Brexit, so please let them have it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Ghoul on October 17, 2019, 06:58:18 AM
Quote from: Occam on October 17, 2019, 06:16:36 AM
They reached a deal, but since parliament has to agree to it, too and Johnson doesn't have the votes, nothing changes. DUP also opposes it.
So after all this time, we are back to exactly where we were with Theresa May, only with a worse deal for the UK.

Just as last time, I seriously hope the EU won't agree to yet another extension that isn't going to change anything.

I read today that apparently now 54% of Britons are in favor of Brexit, so please let them have it.

All the shit hole towns want brexit, and when they get it, they'll be first to be royally fucked when the factories shut down, that'll teach them.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: thisismyusername on October 17, 2019, 08:14:03 AM
Quote from: Ghoul on October 17, 2019, 06:58:18 AM
All the shit hole towns want brexit, and when they get it, they'll be first to be royally fucked when the factories shut down, that'll teach them.

I actually had a Brit defend their decision to vote for leaving (this is a 50+ year old, granted) as: "What if you (Americans) were tied to Brazil and called Brazilians instead of Americans?"
"...I'd be fucking glad to be called a Brazilian if it meant we had social programs like the Euro Union does for the UK?"

Like Christ, way to cut your nose to spite your face because "I'm proud to be American UKanadian, at least I know I'm free" jingoism makes you miss the fucking benefits of Euro's "fuckery."
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 17, 2019, 08:31:06 AM
Why is the DUP mad? England has taken back control and decided that NI will be sacrificed.

Isnt this what brexiters wanted?

Shows how important NI really is to Westminster
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: kingv on October 17, 2019, 08:46:59 AM
Quote from: Stro on October 17, 2019, 08:25:18 AM
Yeah man everyone knows we started calling British people Italians since the 90s.

I was planning on going to London and just grabbing my dick while yelling “Ayyyyyy, get me some-a Gababgool!”

But Boris Johnson has ruined my plans :-(
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Rufus on October 17, 2019, 09:17:03 AM
Quote from: thisismyusername on October 17, 2019, 08:14:03 AM
Quote from: Ghoul on October 17, 2019, 06:58:18 AM
All the shit hole towns want brexit, and when they get it, they'll be first to be royally fucked when the factories shut down, that'll teach them.

I actually had a Brit defend their decision to vote for leaving (this is a 50+ year old, granted) as: "What if you (Americans) were tied to Brazil and called Brazilians instead of Americans?"
"...I'd be fucking glad to be called a Brazilian if it meant we had social programs like the Euro Union does for the UK?"

Like Christ, way to cut your nose to spite your face because "I'm proud to be American UKanadian, at least I know I'm free" jingoism makes you miss the fucking benefits of Euro's "fuckery."
I'd love to know why that anon picked such a nonsensical analogy instead of literally any other seperatist movement. There's one that would resonate really well with Americans. :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Raist on October 17, 2019, 10:11:10 AM
Quote from: thisismyusername on October 17, 2019, 08:14:03 AM
Quote from: Ghoul on October 17, 2019, 06:58:18 AM
All the shit hole towns want brexit, and when they get it, they'll be first to be royally fucked when the factories shut down, that'll teach them.

I actually had a Brit defend their decision to vote for leaving (this is a 50+ year old, granted) as: "What if you (Americans) were tied to Brazil and called Brazilians instead of Americans?"
"...I'd be fucking glad to be called a Brazilian if it meant we had social programs like the Euro Union does for the UK?"

Like Christ, way to cut your nose to spite your face because "I'm proud to be American UKanadian, at least I know I'm free" jingoism makes you miss the fucking benefits of Euro's "fuckery."


Having lived here for just over a decade, I always found hilarious that the vast majority of brits (even folks who would never in a million years have voted to leave) would refer to the continent specifically as "Europe", as if it's a different place from their god forsaken island.

It's so deeply ingrained that they are somewhat different from us and "special". It's really baffling, for a country that really isn't that different from any other western European nation, with a language that is the bastard child of french and german :doge

I remember a guy who was gloating about getting his new passport without this "bloody EU label" on the cover. I asked him how he felt about his dear royal family's coat of arms bearing words in french. He didn't seem to know what I meant :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Occam on October 17, 2019, 10:37:24 AM
You should have asked how he feels about the British royals being German. As you probably know they just changed the name in 1917.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Saxe-Coburg_and_Gotha
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: thisismyusername on October 17, 2019, 11:50:54 AM
Quote from: Rufus on October 17, 2019, 09:17:03 AM
Quote from: thisismyusername on October 17, 2019, 08:14:03 AM
Quote from: Ghoul on October 17, 2019, 06:58:18 AM
All the shit hole towns want brexit, and when they get it, they'll be first to be royally fucked when the factories shut down, that'll teach them.

I actually had a Brit defend their decision to vote for leaving (this is a 50+ year old, granted) as: "What if you (Americans) were tied to Brazil and called Brazilians instead of Americans?"
"...I'd be fucking glad to be called a Brazilian if it meant we had social programs like the Euro Union does for the UK?"

Like Christ, way to cut your nose to spite your face because "I'm proud to be American UKanadian, at least I know I'm free" jingoism makes you miss the fucking benefits of Euro's "fuckery."
I'd love to know why that anon picked such a nonsensical analogy instead of literally any other seperatist movement. There's one that would resonate really well with Americans. :doge

Their point was more that the UK wasn't "independent" and that the Euro Union was driving every decision in the country and "we are called Europeans and not British." Which is really dumb, because half the benefit of the Euro Union is for all countries within it to "rise up"/every ship rises sort of deal. So going "Yeah, no, fuck that" means all the programs/benefits of being in it will stop and the UK (which hasn't had to worry about most of what the EU covers for 30+ years) is now going to have to fundamentally redo everything because of stupidity.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Rufus on October 17, 2019, 01:02:08 PM
Hate to see the dent Murdoch news media put in people's heads. :goty

Also, this person grew up being called British in addition to or instead of English, Welsh, Scottish, or (N.) Irish, but European is beyond the pale...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Nintex on October 17, 2019, 01:58:43 PM
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1184887924363542528 (https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1184887924363542528)

- Turks agreed to cease fire for 120 hours
- YPG has 120 hours to retreat from 20 mile wide safe-zone border area
- After withdrawal Turks halt all operations
- US helps Kurds to evacuate safe-zone area
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Nintex on October 17, 2019, 02:09:29 PM
What I wonder is if they consulted with Assad/Russia on this 'deal' or even the SDF forces themselves.

In their deal with Russia/Syria the Kurds gave up
- Protection from the US-led anti ISIL-coalition
- International aid
- Self-government
- Their own army (merged with SAA)
- Cities, resources and weapons(mostly surplus weapons and equipment from the anti-ISIL coalition will now be used to restock the SAA)

Now in this deal they give up:
- 20 mile wide border area

The question is, will Assad agree to Pence and Erdogan slicing off a 20 mile wide border area from Syria.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: team filler on October 17, 2019, 02:22:36 PM
https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1184887749490462721
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Brehvolution on October 17, 2019, 02:30:07 PM
It worked out so well the last time the US helped a foreign country take land from another foreign country. It will certainly end with peace on all sided.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Nintex on October 17, 2019, 02:56:24 PM
The Kurds and Syrians have started celebrating this deal effectively 'ending' the war in Syria.

But....

Reports are trickling in that the SDF was not consulted or involved and does not agree with this deal.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: team filler on October 17, 2019, 11:43:43 PM
https://twitter.com/venanalysis/status/1185017463844544513
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: thisismyusername on October 18, 2019, 11:02:06 AM
Quote from: Rufus on October 17, 2019, 01:02:08 PM
Hate to see the dent Murdoch news media put in people's heads. :goty

Also, this person grew up being called British in addition to or instead of English, Welsh, Scottish, or (N.) Irish, but European is beyond the pale...

Well, they're actually in Britian (the main-land, not the countries that are part of the union) so... :goty
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Raist on October 18, 2019, 12:08:36 PM
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1185207889675378688
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Nintex on October 18, 2019, 12:44:13 PM
Word on the street is Boris has the votes to pass the Brexit deal.
The government will introduce a number of laws and motions with regards to human rights, workers rights and other protections that were previously covered by EU membership.

Most Tory rebels vote with the government for the deal and some Labour MP's will also vote for the deal.
Tories basically told the Labour MP's that if they voted against, they'll hand over their 'leave' seats to the Brexit party.

So it was elections in a month and the Brexit party or elections next year and no Brexit party.

Boris just might get this over the finish line  :mindblown
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Nintex on October 18, 2019, 06:35:33 PM
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1185262391149387778 (https://twitter.com/AP/status/1185262391149387778)

Not going well in Mexico
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Occam on October 19, 2019, 09:53:03 AM
Looks like Letwin didn't let win Boris.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Ghoul on October 19, 2019, 09:57:54 AM
Deffo taken the L here Boris.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Tripon on October 19, 2019, 10:04:52 AM
Quote from: Nintex on October 18, 2019, 12:44:13 PM
Word on the street is Boris has the votes to pass the Brexit deal.
The government will introduce a number of laws and motions with regards to human rights, workers rights and other protections that were previously covered by EU membership.

Most Tory rebels vote with the government for the deal and some Labour MP's will also vote for the deal.
Tories basically told the Labour MP's that if they voted against, they'll hand over their 'leave' seats to the Brexit party.

So it was elections in a month and the Brexit party or elections next year and no Brexit party.

Boris just might get this over the finish line  :mindblown

(https://i.imgur.com/WSbM4mo.png)

https://www.cnn.com/uk/live-news/brexit-deal-vote-boris-johnson-dle-oct-19-intl-gbr/index.html
https://twitter.com/AlastairJT/status/1185559621756436481
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Ghoul on October 19, 2019, 10:06:39 AM
Nintex talking shit like usual. No change there.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Tripon on October 19, 2019, 10:57:57 AM
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1185559067089080321

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2019, 11:37:21 AM
:dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Rufus on October 19, 2019, 11:44:24 AM
Quote from: Ghoul on October 19, 2019, 10:06:39 AM
Nintex talking shit like usual. No change there.
"Word on the street" though.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Tripon on October 19, 2019, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: Rufus on October 19, 2019, 11:44:24 AM
Quote from: Ghoul on October 19, 2019, 10:06:39 AM
Nintex talking shit like usual. No change there.
"Word on the street" though.

Doesn't Nintex live in Denmark? What street is he talking about? The Red Light district?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2019, 11:55:41 AM
He actually goes out and writes a word on the street in chalk made from the ashes of printed out and burnt Trump tweets.  He then lights candles, Buddha sits his ass in the middle of the street and channels the word for information.  Bicyclers ring their bells in anger as they pass him by. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: team filler on October 19, 2019, 11:57:27 AM
 :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: VomKriege on October 19, 2019, 11:59:11 AM
Quote from: Tripon on October 19, 2019, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: Rufus on October 19, 2019, 11:44:24 AM
Quote from: Ghoul on October 19, 2019, 10:06:39 AM
Nintex talking shit like usual. No change there.
"Word on the street" though.

Doesn't Nintex live in Denmark? What street is he talking about? The Red Light district?

Word on the street is that the schnitzel is cooked.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Tripon on October 19, 2019, 12:07:13 PM
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1185573991651647489

I'm still a dumb american, but I don't see how they'll ever figure out the Northern Ireland and Ireland border issue unless the UK actually stay in the UK.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Nintex on October 19, 2019, 12:09:28 PM
There will be a vote for the deal next week. This was just another technicality that the opposition is trying to hide behind.
Because this passed the actual vote on the deal was moved to next week.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Raist on October 19, 2019, 01:32:22 PM
Quote from: Tripon on October 19, 2019, 12:07:13 PM
I'm still a dumb american, but I don't see how they'll ever figure out the Northern Ireland and Ireland border issue unless the UK actually stay in the UK.

Quote from: Tripon on October 19, 2019, 12:07:13 PM
I'm still a dumb american

Quote from: Tripon on October 19, 2019, 12:07:13 PM
unless the UK actually stay in the UK.


Checks out.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2019, 01:35:10 PM
I'm just a dumb Canadian but I think what he actually meant to say was unless the UK actually stay in the UK then the UK actually stay in the Uk Northern Ireland and Ireland border issue.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Tripon on October 19, 2019, 01:42:35 PM
Quote from: Raist on October 19, 2019, 01:32:22 PM
Quote from: Tripon on October 19, 2019, 12:07:13 PM
I'm still a dumb american, but I don't see how they'll ever figure out the Northern Ireland and Ireland border issue unless the UK actually stay in the UK.

Quote from: Tripon on October 19, 2019, 12:07:13 PM
I'm still a dumb american

Quote from: Tripon on October 19, 2019, 12:07:13 PM
unless the UK actually stay in the UK.


Checks out.
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2019, 01:35:10 PM
I'm just a dumb Canadian but I think what he actually meant to say was unless the UK actually stay in the UK then the UK actually stay in the Uk Northern Ireland and Ireland border issue.

Oops.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2019, 01:47:43 PM
There there - yaere is th and all that.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: benjipwns on October 19, 2019, 05:37:50 PM
Quote
Boris Johnson has sent a letter to the EU to request a Brexit delay - but without his signature, according to a Downing Street source.

The request was accompanied by a second letter, signed by Mr Johnson, which says he believes that a delay would be a mistake, the source said.

The PM was required by law to ask the EU for an extension to the 31 October deadline after losing a Commons vote.

Donald Tusk tweeted to confirm he had received the extension request.
:gbcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Nintex on October 19, 2019, 05:47:38 PM
Macron is against the extension.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Occam on October 19, 2019, 06:10:30 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 19, 2019, 05:37:50 PM
Quote
Boris Johnson has sent a letter to the EU to request a Brexit delay - but without his signature, according to a Downing Street source.

The request was accompanied by a second letter, signed by Mr Johnson, which says he believes that a delay would be a mistake, the source said.

The PM was required by law to ask the EU for an extension to the 31 October deadline after losing a Commons vote.

Donald Tusk tweeted to confirm he had received the extension request.
:gbcry

Hahahaha!

Apparently it was three letters. Seems he wanted to make certain that there was no misunderstanding:
Quote
Boris Johnson sends the EU THREE letters: One (not signed by him) asks to delay Brexit beyond Oct 31, the second makes clear the first is from Parliament - not the Government, and the third urges Brussels NOT to grant an extension

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7592073/Boris-Johnson-sends-THREE-letters-EU-one-urge-Brussels-NOT-grant-delay.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Raist on October 19, 2019, 07:10:27 PM
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1185661976258605056

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 19, 2019, 07:15:47 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/3k9Yrs0.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: benjipwns on October 19, 2019, 07:17:36 PM
not funny Rumbler, you suck, I hate you

POST NOT SIGNED BY BENJIPWNS
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: benjipwns on October 19, 2019, 07:17:39 PM
Rumbler, I love you no matter what you post

SIGNED,
BENJIPWNS
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 19, 2019, 07:18:10 PM
:trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Nintex on October 19, 2019, 07:23:57 PM
A true power move would've been if Boris had called Trump to dictate the letter
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: kingv on October 19, 2019, 08:18:47 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 19, 2019, 05:47:38 PM
Macron is against the extension.

Of course he is. There’s going to be some in the EU who are going to want to let the U.K. get all the smoke they’re looking for.

I would not be surprised if that deal gets approved at the 11th hour on the idea that it’s nominally better than nothing.

From the sound of it, the deal is basically just an interim deal though that expires in a year or two. I suspect both sides think they will be able to negotiate from a place of power after Brexit is already done... but it’s a pretty huge gamble.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 20, 2019, 12:10:51 AM
ethnic channel coverage of the election lead-in has been interesting
lots of talking points about the "medium class", had a kind hearted giggle over that one
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Occam on October 20, 2019, 08:12:02 AM
Looks like the EU is willing to grant an extension.
A possible new date could be one month later, according to the Guardian.

It never ends.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Tripon on October 20, 2019, 10:52:18 AM
https://twitter.com/JohnDelaney/status/1185915705734160384  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Tripon on October 20, 2019, 01:39:53 PM
https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1185972431523065857

Obama finally made an endorsement.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: shosta on October 20, 2019, 01:45:05 PM
NDP has almost one-fifth of the vote so that shows you what kind of person Obama is, that he'd rather endorse the center-left party run by the "costume enthusiast" than the social-democratic party run by the Sikh.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Tripon on October 20, 2019, 01:52:06 PM
Quote from: shosta on October 20, 2019, 01:45:05 PM
NDP has almost one-fifth of the vote so that shows you what kind of person Obama is, that he'd rather endorse the center-left party run by the "costume enthusiast" than the social-democratic party run by the Sikh.

Somebody check which parties that both Trudeau and Obama were at.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Tripon on October 20, 2019, 09:00:35 PM
https://twitter.com/bbcnickrobinson/status/1186027987801694214
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Tripon on October 20, 2019, 11:29:38 PM
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1185993032300146688
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1185993710582095872
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Raist on October 21, 2019, 10:31:34 AM
:lol

https://twitter.com/StewartWood/status/1186270543017922560
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 21, 2019, 10:52:39 AM
Quote from: shosta on October 20, 2019, 01:45:05 PM
NDP has almost one-fifth of the vote so that shows you what kind of person Obama is, that he'd rather endorse the center-left party run by the "costume enthusiast" than the social-democratic party run by the Sikh.

Obama would already be right of the party he did endorse.

Voted - really nervous that the tories will get in this time. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Rufus on October 21, 2019, 11:03:47 AM
Quote from: Raist on October 21, 2019, 10:31:34 AM
:lol

https://twitter.com/StewartWood/status/1186270543017922560
Yet it's the Brexitoons who jeer about the EU not caring about NI and want to cut them loose. :beli
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Boogie on October 21, 2019, 11:16:46 AM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on October 21, 2019, 10:52:39 AM
Quote from: shosta on October 20, 2019, 01:45:05 PM
NDP has almost one-fifth of the vote so that shows you what kind of person Obama is, that he'd rather endorse the center-left party run by the "costume enthusiast" than the social-democratic party run by the Sikh.


Voted - really nervous that the tories will get in this time.

Eh, looks like worst-case scenario is that they will only have a minority, so unlikely they will get to do too much damage.*

spoiler (click to show/hide)
*famous last words.
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Raist on October 21, 2019, 01:44:42 PM
Today in "the UK government gives no fucks".

https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1186324578559315969


https://twitter.com/mattuthompson/status/1186326546417672195


And Barclay did an oopsie (shocking I know).

https://twitter.com/EleniCourea/status/1186261286931390464
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 21, 2019, 01:58:44 PM
Quote from: Boogie on October 21, 2019, 11:16:46 AM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on October 21, 2019, 10:52:39 AM
Quote from: shosta on October 20, 2019, 01:45:05 PM
NDP has almost one-fifth of the vote so that shows you what kind of person Obama is, that he'd rather endorse the center-left party run by the "costume enthusiast" than the social-democratic party run by the Sikh.


Voted - really nervous that the tories will get in this time.

Eh, looks like worst-case scenario is that they will only have a minority, so unlikely they will get to do too much damage.*

spoiler (click to show/hide)
*famous last words.
[close]

I agree to some extent that it won't hurt too bad at the federal level but not having a Lib government will let Ford and the other conservative premiers do a lot of damage with no federal government to check them.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Nintex on October 21, 2019, 05:19:16 PM
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1186312676265336833 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1186312676265336833)
 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: benjipwns on October 21, 2019, 09:09:33 PM
have the barricades gone up in Quebec yet? have Saskatchewan and Alberta launched a secessionist invasion of Manitoba while special forces are occupying Dawson Creek?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 21, 2019, 09:43:00 PM
Liberals looking OK.  NDP is getting hammered :(
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Tripon on October 21, 2019, 09:48:09 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on October 21, 2019, 09:43:00 PM
Liberals looking OK.  NDP is getting hammered :(

Offering clean drinking water to First Nation people = BAD, according to Candian voting populace.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 21, 2019, 09:53:00 PM
 Bernier might lose.  That would be so nice. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 21, 2019, 09:55:13 PM
Quote from: Tripon on October 21, 2019, 09:48:09 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on October 21, 2019, 09:43:00 PM
Liberals looking OK.  NDP is getting hammered :(

Offering clean drinking water to First Nation people = BAD, according to Candian voting populace.

No it's more, they can't risk the Tories getting in.  Also, they lead a dude with a turban when their stronghold in the last two elections was in xenophobic quebec. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: shosta on October 21, 2019, 10:02:50 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on October 21, 2019, 09:55:13 PM
No it's more, they can't risk the Tories getting in.  Also, they lead a dude with a turban when their stronghold in the last two elections was in xenophobic quebec. 
https://twitter.com/getfiscal/status/1186349533590163456
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 21, 2019, 10:04:49 PM
CBC calling out the tories for hiding Ford all summer is strange. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: kingv on October 21, 2019, 10:07:40 PM
Guess we know who Trudeau is dressing up as on Halloween.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: benjipwns on October 21, 2019, 10:10:19 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/3j9EoUW.png)

one hell of a big district riding
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 21, 2019, 10:11:36 PM
Quote from: shosta on October 21, 2019, 10:02:50 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on October 21, 2019, 09:55:13 PM
No it's more, they can't risk the Tories getting in.  Also, they lead a dude with a turban when their stronghold in the last two elections was in xenophobic quebec. 
https://twitter.com/getfiscal/status/1186349533590163456

This is wrong.  Why don't Americans vote green?  or have more than two real parties? They vote so strategically that they don't even get the chance to pretend about 11-dimensional chess. 

It's also that just because the Libs don't campaign on an issue doesn't mean they don't support it.  The NDP can campaign on a lot of nice things because they don't have a chance of getting in. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 21, 2019, 10:13:28 PM
Well this is OK.  An NDP supported government wouldn't be so bad but minority governments can also be pretty unstable and I'l prefer a smooth 4 years.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Tripon on October 21, 2019, 10:19:48 PM
I believe that Get Fiscal guy is Canadian. Which is a bit weird at most of his twitter posts is about taking pot shots at American politicos.


Actually, that makes some sense.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: shosta on October 21, 2019, 10:20:38 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on October 21, 2019, 10:11:36 PM
It's also that just because the Libs don't campaign on an issue doesn't mean they don't support it. 
lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: benjipwns on October 21, 2019, 10:28:48 PM
BUILD. THE. NORTHERN. WALL.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 21, 2019, 10:34:35 PM
LOL conservatives changing channel from CBC when they called it for the Libs
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 21, 2019, 10:37:03 PM
The BQ numbers really mess with a minority in a way that I'd like it.  It will make it hard for the feds to fight Bill-21.     
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 21, 2019, 10:43:17 PM
BQ really broke out big
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 21, 2019, 10:49:17 PM
I grew up with the BQ being big so this feels like a return to normal for me but I guess I really shouldn't feel that way. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 21, 2019, 10:51:32 PM
Neither Libs or Tories got over a third of the popular vote - that's kind of crazy. 

Bernier lost!!!!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: benjipwns on October 21, 2019, 10:52:09 PM
Time for Quebexit :jeb
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 21, 2019, 10:57:08 PM
Numbers might work for just Libs and NDP and with the NDP dying hard, it might make the minority stable for a good number of years. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 21, 2019, 11:08:18 PM
Albertans on the CBC already complaining and talking about alienation.  Seems to happen everytime they lose.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: benjipwns on October 21, 2019, 11:13:04 PM
now, Mr. President, it's important that while Canada is weak and divided: FIFTY-FOUR FORTY OR FIGHT!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Hard Sexit
Post by: benjipwns on October 21, 2019, 11:13:16 PM
sorry that was supposed to be a memo to the Oval Office
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 22, 2019, 12:11:10 AM
Well, this night turned out a lot better than I hoped.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: benjipwns on October 22, 2019, 12:13:05 AM
I attribute it to an "Era of Good Feelings" brought about by the Toronto Raptors championship.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 22, 2019, 12:17:22 AM
oh man, I missed out on some cutting edge rhetoric in this country due to acknowledging American politics more

https://twitter.com/YVR_Hanson/status/1172311326078562305

https://twitter.com/YVR_Hanson/status/1172894732835442690
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: shosta on October 22, 2019, 12:19:15 AM
That's because public sector jobs can charge monopoly prices for goods
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: shosta on October 22, 2019, 12:19:27 AM
Privatize everything
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 22, 2019, 12:19:55 AM
if the government just employs everyone, things should be just fiiiine
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 22, 2019, 12:20:31 AM
Quote from: shosta on October 22, 2019, 12:19:15 AM
That's because public sector jobs can charge monopoly prices for goods

is this more of that inane, vague thing called "the economy" again?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: shosta on October 22, 2019, 12:21:24 AM
it's a little something i like to call the neoclassical consensus
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 22, 2019, 01:13:21 AM
JT didn't even wait for Scheer to finish his speech.   What a chad move. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 22, 2019, 01:15:27 AM
NDP has 2x the votes of BQ but 7 less seats  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 22, 2019, 01:22:35 AM
Ya, the BQ has like 1/4 the candidates to get votes.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 22, 2019, 01:24:48 AM
ndp can't go in on election reform since Conservatives are winning the popular vote so they'd benefit too lmao
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: team filler on October 22, 2019, 01:26:46 AM
https://twitter.com/wyattreed13/status/1186482511779717121
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 22, 2019, 02:53:44 AM
CBC panel with the everyone disappointing, except BQ which means disappointment for Canada, take
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: kingv on October 22, 2019, 08:56:48 AM
Canada has its first black Prime Minister!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Raist on October 22, 2019, 11:26:22 AM
:dead

https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1186650398037331968
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Boogie on October 22, 2019, 11:37:23 AM
Goodale defeated, incoming Minister of Public Safety Bill Blair.

That’ll cause some meltdowns on the Left in the GTA.  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: kingv on October 22, 2019, 11:51:25 AM
The New Deal was pretty good for America, so you vote on the new deal, enter a phase of British prosperity, win WWII, and bob on your uncle.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 22, 2019, 12:13:53 PM
Sask going all blue is a shame.  I don't even think any party actually represented rural voters this round. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 22, 2019, 12:49:27 PM
Beaverton also had a pretty good night

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2019/10/doug-ford-knocks-on-cellar-door-to-see-if-its-okay-to-come-out/
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2019/10/update-maxime-bernier-too-racist-even-for-quebec/
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2019/10/trudeau-win-inspires-next-generation-of-white-men-to-break-the-blackface-barrier/
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2019/10/andrew-scheer-frantically-asks-for-do-over-after-accidentally-voting-for-trudeau/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 22, 2019, 06:13:18 PM
cbc with a good take on how divided people seem right now
it is a bit worrying given how this country isn't as remotely populous or spread out as the USA
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Nintex on October 22, 2019, 06:23:21 PM
So Johnson won the backing on his deal but not on the timetable. So now elections seem likely. It all depends on the response of the EU.
The French have again already said: "NON!" but Germany pays so they decide.

Meanwhile Erdo met with Putin and he was so thirsty that he put the map of Syria on the table, while the camera's were still running.
So Putin waved with his hand and Erdogan quickly covered up his map of the spoils.

They came to an agreement which is very close to the agreement made between Turkey and the US.
Russia with the help of Syrian forces will help the Turks to clear out the proposed 'safe-zone' of YPG elements and other heavy weaponry.
Putin siding with Erdogan against the Kurds has made their position even worse today.

The Americans at the same time have dropped any pretense of fighting for human rights or democracy. The latest Pentagon plan is to guard the oil fields in Kurdish areas with 200 special forces and air power.
Basically doing what Trump wanted to do for a while in the Middle East: "Take the oil".

Iraq has told the US that their evacuated forces cannot stay in Iraq. Crossing out the plans of Esper to run counter terror-ops from Iraq.

As for Europe, France had to learn via Twitter that the Americans were pulling out and then had to scramble to remove their own special forces from the area.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 22, 2019, 06:28:53 PM
I don't know how you fix it when Alberta refuses to accept any change on oil.  Two-thirds of the country voted for progressive climate change and its only growing across canada.  When the Libs go out on a limb to go ahead with the pipeline and get nothing back other than blame for it happing too slow (which would happen with the Tories too), then its like why try?  The federal government would also need to work with the premier if they wanted to implement a real plan for getting their economy off of oil and that won't happen either. 

I think the best they could do is try to split off Sask. and Manitoba from the Tories as energy hardly affects them.  They vote Tories because the Libs never really acknowledge their specific problems.  I'd love to see the NDP move away from campaigning on social issues (since its basically the same stance as the Libs and Greens most of the time) and move back to unions, workers, and farmers to try to get the prairies back.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 22, 2019, 06:33:45 PM
not like quebec is big on unity either, they are big on getting to erode religious liberties at their own discretion
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 22, 2019, 06:39:14 PM
Honestly, I'm happy for Quebec nationalism as long as its not separatism.  I don't necessarily think it also has to result in the xenophobia it has and stuff like Bill 21.  I think there is a way where you can have a strong national Quebec and still have strong unity, and with separatism being on a decline there, this might be a step towards that. 

There is also a big difference in that the BQ is fairly close to ideology on most things to the Libs, NDP, and Greens and Bill 21 is really only the major clash - right now, Quebec wants the same things as most of Canada.   That's a very different disunity than BQ was in the 90's.  With Alberta, they are clashing on what is probably the biggest issue for a majority of voters either way. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 22, 2019, 06:48:33 PM
most of albertan displeasure is summed up with economic anxiety unironically, so they're just pissed off in general
I live there and all my relatives vote blue or red generally, even if they fit as "young PoCs"

country has frankly insufficient nationalism, knock american flag fetishes all you want but without a strong sense of nation it collapses into smaller scale regional bickering and no sense of unity
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: shosta on October 22, 2019, 06:49:40 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on October 22, 2019, 06:28:53 PM
I'd love to see the NDP move away from campaigning on social issues (since its basically the same stance as the Libs and Greens most of the time) and move back to unions, workers, and farmers to try to get the prairies back.
fascist third positionism :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 22, 2019, 06:54:28 PM
Quote from: shosta on October 22, 2019, 06:49:40 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on October 22, 2019, 06:28:53 PM
I'd love to see the NDP move away from campaigning on social issues (since its basically the same stance as the Libs and Greens most of the time) and move back to unions, workers, and farmers to try to get the prairies back.
Nazi third positionism :rejoice

nazis made the nationalism and socialism combo awkward because I unironically end up with values that end up nationalist and socialist with various politic tests and I'm like shit, I can't list those two next to one another even though nazis being socialist is ameriboomer talking points



Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 22, 2019, 06:59:36 PM
I don't think you need a strong national identity to have national unity.  It might make Albertans less likely to talk about leaving, but it wouldn't solve the issue that they depend on an economy that the rest of Canada and the world are moving away from.  Strong national identity doesn't necessitate strong national unity, just look at Appalachia.   
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 22, 2019, 07:06:41 PM
Patriotism and the like does curb separatism and intranational bickering by painting it negatively, which would be nice right now.
Honestly, people just give a shit about their next paycheck here and for a lot of people that is their biggest worry. Suicide and drug abuse has been spiking around here.

Frankly, a lot of the debate has been framed, malicious intent or not, as being antagonist to Alberta. As a result correlating with the atmosphere of misery there is an uptick of hostility. That the feds/rest of the country/whatever wants to push the economy further down.


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 22, 2019, 07:43:35 PM
Good map  https://jsfiddle.net/zgv2fqub/1/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: shosta on October 22, 2019, 08:10:27 PM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on October 22, 2019, 07:06:41 PM
Patriotism and the like does curb separatism and intranational bickering by painting it negatively, which would be nice right now.
If Quebec wanted to be independent, what would that be any of your business?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 22, 2019, 08:18:51 PM
Quote from: shosta on October 22, 2019, 08:10:27 PM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on October 22, 2019, 07:06:41 PM
Patriotism and the like does curb separatism and intranational bickering by painting it negatively, which would be nice right now.
If Quebec wanted to be independent, what would that be any of your business?

if they want out, sure, let them out
I don't care to force them to stay, I'm fine with the rest of the country sticking together and lessening the squabbles and neglect angst, and the various separatist drama like what will be here soon
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 22, 2019, 09:31:27 PM
really, alberta isn't that guaranteed conservative bedrock anymore
even the libs took seats in 2015, ndp took provincial power that year and currently has the sole non-blue seat (in edmonton), calgary has had a muslim mayor for 9 years now
alberta is also like 1/4 non-white now

strategy going forward would probably be to accept some parts will never vote blue and see if you can coax some of the contested areas away by prioritizing
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 22, 2019, 10:36:34 PM
That's what I'd like to see, same with Sask.  Though I think it's hard to get past the energy propaganda that anyone but tories will destroy the economy.  Libs need to find new seats somewhere and it won't be Quebec or BC, so they can either move more left and eat the NDP vote to stop the vote splitting - which I think is what will happen with the minority government - or they can try to peel away specific prairie ridings, while still maintaining southern Ontario.  Likewise, I think the NDP could win these if they focused on them.  Still I don't know how you get past the climate change issue to do this.  Still, maybe we will be in a better place in 2 or 3 years.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 22, 2019, 10:44:27 PM
Honestly, libs and cons are not worlds apart, my family/relatives swapped red in 2015 and then a bunch back to blue in 2019, it isn't entirely out of the question to chip away at the blue base here.
I don't particularly feel bad about the Albertan O&G sector existing so long as oil is consumed, I just wish they'd gun towards being less dependent on it. Otherwise you end up in the current situation where people are just pissed and really it can't be fixed how they want it to be.

Not surprised by the rage since, coincidentally, Husky elected to do this today.
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/husky-energy-confirms-layoffs-sources-say-hundreds-of-jobs-affected-1.1335493

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 22, 2019, 10:58:13 PM
Ya I want the energy sector to continue and I'm for pipelines - I just want them to invest that money into green tech and I want them to get off coal and gas powerplants - which I think only works completly if they switch to nuclear right now - which no one will do.  I doubt they could fully switch to solar and wind right now.  The idea that we could shut down oil and gas and have any effect on climate change that way is a bit crazy. 

Reddit comments, with no sources, told me Husky has been in trouble for a while and the Alberta government had them decrease production to increase oil cost.  Regardless of the carbon tax and most of Canada's push for climate change progress, I think the energy sector would have been in trouble anyways. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 22, 2019, 11:04:30 PM
Oh, I don't think it is a spur of the moment layoff, just that morning after elections timing is a little dirty.
I wish the world as a whole would float the idea of some the more novel nuclear technologies but so far the greenest bunch want to lock in to just solar+wind. Which I really don't see working out, especially solar for ~1/3 of the year here. What can or can't be done somehow gets pushed as being a conservative talking point.

Alberta is a tricky situation right now and you'd have to pick a slice to cater to since it is far from unanimous internally. The general economic anxiety just pushes them to vote anger.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Brehvolution on October 23, 2019, 11:33:28 AM
https://i.imgur.com/N83r8iK.mp4
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 23, 2019, 12:32:43 PM
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/39-dead-truck-container-england-1.5331636
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: shosta on October 23, 2019, 12:35:23 PM
(https://cdn.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/the-wire-season-2-tv-show-image-frank-sobotka.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Nintex on October 23, 2019, 02:05:41 PM
Maybe if you checked anything at the 5 borders crossed you would've found them earlier.

:idont
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 23, 2019, 02:55:15 PM
edit *my joke didnt work
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Nintex on October 23, 2019, 02:59:44 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on October 23, 2019, 02:55:15 PM
edit *my joke didnt work
Wow how could you joke about such a horrible event of human suffering  :-\
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 23, 2019, 03:16:26 PM
Yes, I shouldn't have joked about your life - im sorry. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: team filler on October 23, 2019, 04:09:14 PM
https://twitter.com/maduro_en/status/1187095339016314880

 :pimp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Rufus on October 23, 2019, 06:07:14 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 23, 2019, 02:05:41 PM
Maybe if you checked anything at the 5 borders crossed you would've found them earlier.

:idont
Maybe if there were no checks at all, they wouldn't have felt the need to takes this risky route.

:idont
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: benjipwns on October 23, 2019, 06:09:46 PM
Quote from: shosta on October 22, 2019, 08:10:27 PM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on October 22, 2019, 07:06:41 PM
Patriotism and the like does curb separatism and intranational bickering by painting it negatively, which would be nice right now.
If Quebec wanted to be independent, what would that be any of your business?
Same as the Union's with the Confederacy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 23, 2019, 07:29:57 PM
looks who trying to push something
https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1187046260211159041
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: benjipwns on October 23, 2019, 07:31:59 PM
I was going to share a few of the replies to that Tweet, but when I saw the avatar on this one I knew it had to be the only one:
https://twitter.com/ok_eh_ko/status/1187049252536639493
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 23, 2019, 07:55:23 PM
https://twitter.com/peterdowningAB/status/1187037808109608960

thanks for joining in BC and Manitoba

REGIME CHANGE

https://twitter.com/peterdowningAB/status/1186308342274093057

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 23, 2019, 08:04:42 PM
we'll build a wall too!
https://twitter.com/reikokoyama79/status/1186486099494887424

splintering off into a separate and landlocked country devoid of any agreements and weight of a country to use? success!
https://twitter.com/GerryDuker52004/status/1186682970947629064
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: benjipwns on October 23, 2019, 08:05:51 PM
I support the freedom fighters attempting to bring democracy to the totalitarian frozen wasteland that sits along our UNDEFENDED BORDER.

I hope that President Trump begins consideration of their acceptance as non-self-governing territories of the United States like Guam, Puerto Rico and the Kingdom of Hawai'i.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: benjipwns on October 23, 2019, 08:08:29 PM
We need to consider an airlift to get the founders and members of BioWare's HQ in Edmonton to freedom in the United States.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: shosta on October 23, 2019, 08:14:52 PM
LIBERATE ALBERTA, REVOLUTION OF OUR TIMES
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 23, 2019, 08:25:33 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 23, 2019, 08:08:29 PM
We need to consider an airlift to get the founders and members of BioWare's HQ in Edmonton to freedom in the United States.

god speed
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 23, 2019, 08:29:45 PM
Quote from: shosta on October 23, 2019, 08:14:52 PM
LIBERATE ALBERTA, REVOLUTION OF OUR TIMES

DUMP THE TEA, DO IT NOW
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Location: Florida
[close]

https://twitter.com/officialjtw/status/1186469498964058117
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: benjipwns on October 23, 2019, 08:33:08 PM
https://twitter.com/officialjtw/status/1186773265450184704

speaking truth to power :lawd
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 23, 2019, 08:33:50 PM
you are all welcome for a change of pace from just fuckery in your own country
:jeb
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: shosta on October 23, 2019, 08:36:50 PM
Why are their "interprovincial inspections on provincially inspected meat", lol. What are they gonna require next, a license to make toast in your own damn toaster?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: benjipwns on October 23, 2019, 09:35:34 PM
LOOK AT WHAT THE FAT CATS BACK EAST ARE DOING WHILE WESTERN CANADA SUFFERS UNDER THE IMPERIALIST YOKE:
https://twitter.com/Raptors/status/1186787954267693057
Quote
Here are some of the features of what the team called the "largest NBA championship ring" ever produced:

A 1.25-carat diamond atop the Larry O'Brien Trophy, the largest single diamond in any professional sports ring

The front of the ring depicts the Toronto skyline and Scotiabank Arena, along with the team's chevron logo

The 74 diamonds in and around the Toronto skyline represent the team's 74 wins in the regular season and playoffs

Above the arena on the front of the ring are six round diamonds representing "The Six," which rapper and Raptors global ambassador Drake popularized as another reference for the city of Toronto

16 rubies and the 16 jersey numbers of the players on the championship roster encircle the ring

Inside the ring, the championship logo is engraved above the Raptors' postseason series records and a ruby is set inside a maple leaf representing Canada

One side of the ring features the player's name and number

The opposite side features "World Champions 2019" above the Raptors' logo

In total, the ring boasts 14 carats' worth of diamonds and more than 650 total diamonds; both are the most ever in any professional championship ring.
Quote
Drake and superfan Nav Bhatia also received rings, the team confirmed. Drake also commissioned Jason of Beverly Hills to make him a separate ring, which has over 30 carats of diamonds.
(https://i.imgur.com/9f88QtF.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: shosta on October 23, 2019, 09:41:36 PM
I'd pay good money for Trudeau to inspect my meat :phil
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Tripon on October 23, 2019, 09:53:08 PM
Quote from: shosta on October 23, 2019, 09:41:36 PM
I'd pay good money for Trudeau to inspect my meat :phil

Find the best tanning salon in your city STAT.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: benjipwns on October 23, 2019, 09:54:46 PM
The crazy thing is that shosta's talking about Pierre.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 23, 2019, 11:28:59 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 23, 2019, 09:35:34 PM
LOOK AT WHAT THE FAT CATS BACK EAST ARE DOING WHILE WESTERN CANADA SUFFERS UNDER THE IMPERIALIST YOKE:
https://twitter.com/Raptors/status/1186787954267693057
Quote
Here are some of the features of what the team called the "largest NBA championship ring" ever produced:

A 1.25-carat diamond atop the Larry O'Brien Trophy, the largest single diamond in any professional sports ring

The front of the ring depicts the Toronto skyline and Scotiabank Arena, along with the team's chevron logo

The 74 diamonds in and around the Toronto skyline represent the team's 74 wins in the regular season and playoffs

Above the arena on the front of the ring are six round diamonds representing "The Six," which rapper and Raptors global ambassador Drake popularized as another reference for the city of Toronto

16 rubies and the 16 jersey numbers of the players on the championship roster encircle the ring

Inside the ring, the championship logo is engraved above the Raptors' postseason series records and a ruby is set inside a maple leaf representing Canada

One side of the ring features the player's name and number

The opposite side features "World Champions 2019" above the Raptors' logo

In total, the ring boasts 14 carats' worth of diamonds and more than 650 total diamonds; both are the most ever in any professional championship ring.
Quote
Drake and superfan Nav Bhatia also received rings, the team confirmed. Drake also commissioned Jason of Beverly Hills to make him a separate ring, which has over 30 carats of diamonds.
(https://i.imgur.com/9f88QtF.png)

The team [for some reason] gave Drake a ring and he still went out and had a custom one made.  :beli
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: team filler on October 23, 2019, 11:37:24 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/M6JclEL.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 24, 2019, 01:48:15 AM
stop colonizing me  :maf

https://twitter.com/albertaseparate/status/1146759729286270976
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Brehvolution on October 24, 2019, 09:47:35 AM
:rofl

I'm take a wild guess, but I'm guessing Alberta is mostly conservative?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 24, 2019, 05:28:30 PM
https://twitter.com/EdtheSock/status/1187204768692875264

This but it should just be on F-150's, snowmobiles, and stetsons. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 24, 2019, 05:34:42 PM
Ed the Sock should debate Rush on Canadian sales tax laws.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 24, 2019, 06:21:12 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on October 24, 2019, 05:28:30 PM
https://twitter.com/EdtheSock/status/1187204768692875264

This but it should just be on F-150's, snowmobiles, and stetsons.

Sucks there is a population here that'd rather fly into the ground chasing a dream and refuse to cooperate with anyone. Just don't bother with the overly obstinate people to spare the rest in the province.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 25, 2019, 11:16:42 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50175914

EU agrees to Brexit delay
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Tripon on October 25, 2019, 01:29:42 PM
Is brexit happening?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Nintex on October 25, 2019, 01:37:37 PM
Quote from: Tripon on October 25, 2019, 01:29:42 PM
Is brexit happening?
Well, they voted for the deal with the EU, so it is happening.
But not on the timetable that Johnson wanted, which was to push it through before the 31st.

So they're going to take more time to pass all the necessary legislation and debate it.

Brexit is happening unless Corbyn can win an election against Boris, which he can't.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Tripon on October 25, 2019, 03:45:51 PM
https://twitter.com/lindayueh/status/1187805831598952448
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: shosta on October 25, 2019, 03:48:02 PM
:neogaf

Looks like Corbyn will have to agree to an election, then.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 25, 2019, 04:00:25 PM
The French always betray you in the end.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Raist on October 25, 2019, 04:01:16 PM
That picture :rofl
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Occam on October 25, 2019, 06:29:01 PM
Quote from: Tripon on October 25, 2019, 03:45:51 PM
https://twitter.com/lindayueh/status/1187805831598952448

Excellent, hope Macron actually sticks to it and doesn't turn out to be a cheese-eating surrender monkey.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - T**n*nm*n Sq**r*
Post by: shosta on October 25, 2019, 06:35:37 PM
nevermind
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Nintex on October 26, 2019, 07:56:00 AM
https://twitter.com/Brexit/status/1188059349681364993 (https://twitter.com/Brexit/status/1188059349681364993)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Tripon on October 26, 2019, 11:23:50 AM
https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/198431344638955522
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Nintex on October 26, 2019, 12:29:27 PM
https://twitter.com/baderkhanahmad/status/1188056365782261763 (https://twitter.com/baderkhanahmad/status/1188056365782261763)

US racing back into Syria to get the oil.

Told you guys Trump Oil was gunning for the competition.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: kingv on October 26, 2019, 12:33:13 PM
I like the sort of like the idea that the EU just issues a forever extension for Brexit and the UK just continues to argue about it forever.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 26, 2019, 12:38:06 PM
Honestly, I think the worst Brexit is the better it will be for EU political stability, which the world needs more than a stable Britian. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Nintex on October 26, 2019, 12:42:09 PM
Quote from: kingv on October 26, 2019, 12:33:13 PM
I like the sort of like the idea that the EU just issues a forever extension for Brexit and the UK just continues to argue about it forever.
This is what could happen if Labour keeps blocking new elections.

Apparently if Labour does not support an election next week and stalls again, Boris will not bring any new Brexit bills or any legislation to the table and will only campaign for new elections during his remainder in office.
Nor will he try to pass the Brexit deal, instead he will run down the clock of any new extension and crash out with no deal anyway if that is the outcome.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: team filler on October 27, 2019, 02:27:30 PM
https://twitter.com/27khv/status/1188516359052890114

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Nintex on October 27, 2019, 02:50:03 PM
https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1188510156247699463 (https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1188510156247699463)

Another high-level ISIS dude killed by the US in Turkish controlled territory. 

 :mynicca
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Occam on October 28, 2019, 08:48:59 AM
EU reportedly agrees to allow Brexit delay until 31 January.
I knew it. Thanks, dear surrender monkeys.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Raist on October 28, 2019, 10:30:23 AM
We let it go cause we know the Brit wankers will once again accomplish nothing and, look increasingly like dumb arses, which is our favourite pst time after enjoying great food and wine.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Nintex on October 28, 2019, 03:01:38 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1188883510653702144 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1188883510653702144)

lmao
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: kingv on October 28, 2019, 06:01:19 PM
Just give them a 5 year extension until they notify what day they plan to leave with no deal.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2019, 06:11:20 PM
Quote from: https://news.yahoo.com/u-k-destroy-commemorative-50p-195839170.html
(Bloomberg) -- Thousands of 50-pence coins minted to commemorate Brexit on Oct. 31 will be melted down after Prime Minister Boris Johnson accepted an extension from the European Union, two people familiar with the matter said.

U.K. Chancellor of the Exchequer Sajid Javid had announced plans for millions of coins engraved with the date Johnson pledged to leave the bloc, but production was paused last week when it became clear there would be a delay.

On Monday, Johnson accepted the EU’s offer of a three-month extension to Jan. 31, and the decision was taken for all the coins to be melted down, according to the people, who asked not to be identified. One of them said hundreds of thousands of the coins had been minted already.

Javid’s predecessor, Philip Hammond, had also planned to mint a more limited number of the 50-pence coins to mark the original Brexit date of March 29.
:gbcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 28, 2019, 06:28:17 PM
LOL
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Tripon on October 28, 2019, 08:36:04 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 26, 2019, 12:42:09 PM
Quote from: kingv on October 26, 2019, 12:33:13 PM
I like the sort of like the idea that the EU just issues a forever extension for Brexit and the UK just continues to argue about it forever.
This is what could happen if Labour keeps blocking new elections.

Apparently if Labour does not support an election next week and stalls again, Boris will not bring any new Brexit bills or any legislation to the table and will only campaign for new elections during his remainder in office.
Nor will he try to pass the Brexit deal, instead he will run down the clock of any new extension and crash out with no deal anyway if that is the outcome.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435883674471235584/638533933448953881/Screenshot_20191028-172530.png)

 :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2019, 08:52:37 PM
Corbyn and Labour can't give a shit about any of this Brexit nonsense, he needs the next two and a half years to dig out of this hole:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/UK_opinion_polls.svg/800px-UK_opinion_polls.svg.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 29, 2019, 01:00:10 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/hiv-children-pakistan-syringes-ratodero-ghangro-cases-virus-a9173101.html?utm_source=reddit.com
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: team filler on October 29, 2019, 02:00:47 AM
https://twitter.com/evoespueblo/status/1188950739399430145

 :rejoice :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Nintex on October 29, 2019, 03:57:34 PM
And Corbyn backs an election (finally).

So now the labour MP's have already started to complain about why they lost

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1189231956472598528 (https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1189231956472598528)

You can't make this shit up  :neogaf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Raist on October 29, 2019, 06:10:11 PM
https://twitter.com/adamboultonSKY/status/1189164353137848320
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Nintex on October 29, 2019, 06:37:06 PM
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1189276879292960768 (https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1189276879292960768)

Yikes, that's a horrendous typeface for a campaign in terms of legibility  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Tripon on October 30, 2019, 04:29:39 PM
Can you take Nintex words on things such as labour?  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Nintex on October 30, 2019, 04:57:04 PM
Quote from: Tripon on October 30, 2019, 04:29:39 PM
Can you take Nintex words on things such as labour?  :doge
Such typefaces (uppercase only) don't allow for contrast (variations in weights etc.). The text is also displayed without any room to breathe, often stuffed into the corners.
That ad looks like a high school video project and it probably is. The typeface picked is difficult to scan because of the strange height. It's ok to use for one or two words but not sentences or multi-line texts. 

Gotham is an example of a more versatile typeface, used in the past by the Obama campaign, Inception, Spotify, Netflix etc. at some point Gotham was everywhere.
Now politicians are using Gotham a lot because it is such a clear and strong typeface and the obvious Obama connection.

Proxima Nova is a sort of boring typeface the Conservatives in the UK are often using in their messaging but it allows for multiple weights and styles to play with.
The Vote Leave campaign was also really well designed compared to the
Britain
Stronger
In
Europe

campaign.

Which was literally difficult to read lined out like this.

And there was this:
(https://s3-eu-central-1.amazonaws.com/centaur-wp/designweek/prod/content/uploads/2016/05/25124656/votin-A3-posters2.jpg)


Some expensive 9 figure agency designed '#votin' ads which completely bombed. Because it was literally the "How do you do kids.gif" in ad form. the typeface was fine but the color all wrong.
Red is associated with 'Against'. So Chilln(g), Meetin(g), Tourin(g), Votin(g) tells people to vote but not clearly what to vote for. The subtext also doesn't say what you should vote. You should register to vote.
Imagine someone walking up to you, saying: "Life's better in the EU. But it's [pause] at risk. [pause] Register to vote by 7th [pause] June at (URL). WRONG WRONG WRONG

Let's stay in the EU [pause]
Register to vote by 7th June [pause]
gov.uk/register-to-vote

An article describing the 'brilliant' ads ended with this jab:
Quote
The official opposition campaign group, Vote Leave, is using a logo, which is understood to have been designed in-house and features a red ballot box graphic.
At the time of publication, a representative from Vote Leave’s design team was unable to comment further on the design of its logo or campaign.
which along with "Take back control" was simply brilliantly executed. The logo told people in a way everyone understands what to do in the simplest form. "VOTE LEAVE" at the ballot box.

It reminds me of a comment from one of my favorite designers, Chris Do.
"We designers often try to be smart but it is already difficult enough to make a good design"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: kingv on October 30, 2019, 05:12:10 PM
They forgot to include DOGGIN
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Mandark on October 30, 2019, 06:16:47 PM
Quote from: Esch on October 30, 2019, 04:15:20 PM
Dunno if this got posted before but wow.

https://www.newyorker.com/tech/annals-of-technology/when-the-government-seizes-your-embryos

fuuuuuuuuucked up
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 30, 2019, 07:13:17 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 30, 2019, 06:16:47 PM
Quote from: Esch on October 30, 2019, 04:15:20 PM
Dunno if this got posted before but wow.

https://www.newyorker.com/tech/annals-of-technology/when-the-government-seizes-your-embryos

fuuuuuuuuucked up

Sounds like Poland's not that religious, but they'll happily use religion to fuck over women or lgbtq people. Where have I heard that one before? :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Nintex on October 30, 2019, 07:50:44 PM
https://twitter.com/abdbozkurt/status/1189493014898630656 (https://twitter.com/abdbozkurt/status/1189493014898630656)

Ah, our lovely NATO Friends with a message of peace and prosperity for all  :heart
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: kingv on October 30, 2019, 10:12:07 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 30, 2019, 07:13:17 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 30, 2019, 06:16:47 PM
Quote from: Esch on October 30, 2019, 04:15:20 PM
Dunno if this got posted before but wow.

https://www.newyorker.com/tech/annals-of-technology/when-the-government-seizes-your-embryos

fuuuuuuuuucked up

“
Sounds like Poland's not that religious, but they'll happily use religion to fuck over women or lgbtq people. Where have I heard that one before? :thinking

It never occurred to me this politician would do what they said they would do so I didn’t vote” is another classic.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Raist on October 31, 2019, 05:48:11 AM
Over 50 current MPs are standing down for the GE in December (nearly 10%).

That will be quite a lot of reshuffling. Though I'm sure it will make fuck all difference.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Nintex on October 31, 2019, 02:32:37 PM
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1189966005851656192 (https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1189966005851656192)

Don't do it Nigel. Don't cross the streams!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: agrajag on November 01, 2019, 09:11:38 PM
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1190270794716319745
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Tripon on November 01, 2019, 09:40:22 PM
Quote
An anti-vaccination mother took to social media on Wednesday to share her decision to give out tainted lollipops for Halloween.

The Australian mother, who identifies herself online as Sarah Walker RN, shared in the private Facebook group "Stop Mandatory Vaccination" that her son, whose name has been redacted, contracted chickenpox and that she planned to "help" other children in the community by spreading the virus through candy.

"So my beautiful son [redacted] has the chickenpox at the moment and we've both decided to help others with natural immunity this Halloween!" Walker wrote. "We have the packaging open and closing down pat and can't wait to help others in our community."

Walker's message was screenshot and shared on Light for Riley, a page dedicated to protecting "babies & families from vaccine-preventable diseases" in honor of Riley Hughes, a baby boy who tragically died from whooping cough in March 2015.

"Have you ever seen something that instantaneously makes your skin crawl?" the post, written by Riley's father, Greg Hughes, reads.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/anti-vaxx-mom-says-she-153902456.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: team filler on November 02, 2019, 03:27:36 AM
https://twitter.com/rafaelshimunov/status/1190441089309827079

 :heh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Nintex on November 02, 2019, 09:48:30 AM
Quote from: agrajag on November 01, 2019, 09:11:38 PM
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1190270794716319745
Netflix special when?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Nintex on November 04, 2019, 05:25:56 PM
You: "Stop camping in COD, that is not realistic"

US O P E R A T O R S:
https://twitter.com/RudawEnglish/status/1191329638611591178 (https://twitter.com/RudawEnglish/status/1191329638611591178)


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Brehvolution on November 05, 2019, 10:57:32 AM
Huh? The fuck does that have to do with anything?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Raist on November 05, 2019, 11:23:11 AM
Quote from: Tripon on November 01, 2019, 09:40:22 PM
Quote
An anti-vaccination mother took to social media on Wednesday to share her decision to give out tainted lollipops for Halloween.

The Australian mother, who identifies herself online as Sarah Walker RN, shared in the private Facebook group "Stop Mandatory Vaccination" that her son, whose name has been redacted, contracted chickenpox and that she planned to "help" other children in the community by spreading the virus through candy.

"So my beautiful son [redacted] has the chickenpox at the moment and we've both decided to help others with natural immunity this Halloween!" Walker wrote. "We have the packaging open and closing down pat and can't wait to help others in our community."

Walker's message was screenshot and shared on Light for Riley, a page dedicated to protecting "babies & families from vaccine-preventable diseases" in honor of Riley Hughes, a baby boy who tragically died from whooping cough in March 2015.

"Have you ever seen something that instantaneously makes your skin crawl?" the post, written by Riley's father, Greg Hughes, reads.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/anti-vaxx-mom-says-she-153902456.html

If your doxxing addiction would be actually helpful once in a lifetime, now is the time, benji :bolo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Raist on November 05, 2019, 11:24:09 AM
Quote from: Brehvolution on November 05, 2019, 10:57:32 AM
Huh? The fuck does that have to do with anything?

Everyone says BoJo is the british Trump. Turns out, it was actually Jo Swinson all along.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: shosta on November 06, 2019, 04:28:16 PM
https://twitter.com/bellingcat/status/1192154687929237504

:rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Nintex on November 06, 2019, 05:53:19 PM
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1192167923936350215 (https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1192167923936350215)

 :rimshot :rimshot :rimshot :rimshot :rimshot
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Pissy F Benny on November 06, 2019, 05:55:04 PM
Is that the theme tune to fake top gear?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Nintex on November 06, 2019, 06:12:23 PM
Sounds like: unlicensed_rock_music_free_sample_2.wav

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Raist on November 06, 2019, 07:30:35 PM
https://twitter.com/bathnesld/status/1189648562080112640


Dat fine print :rofl
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: benjipwns on November 07, 2019, 04:50:19 AM
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1192160419235786753
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Rufus on November 07, 2019, 11:14:16 AM
Within one week of chairman Corbyn's reign, The City of London will be turned ointo an open air prison and house every Lord and Lady in the country.  :jeb
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2019, 03:51:20 PM
Quote from: Rufus on November 07, 2019, 11:14:16 AM
Within one week of chairman Corbyn's reign, The City of London will be turned ointo an open air prison and house every Lord and Lady in the country.  :jeb

Escape from London
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Nintex on November 07, 2019, 05:42:10 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCr4today/status/1192344910378209280 (https://twitter.com/BBCr4today/status/1192344910378209280)

Jeremy Corbyn makes grown men cry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Nintex on November 07, 2019, 05:51:11 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCSounds/status/1192562485938860032 (https://twitter.com/BBCSounds/status/1192562485938860032)

These people don't know what shitposting is.

I think we got this fam
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 07, 2019, 06:47:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxJsPXrEqCI&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: team filler on November 07, 2019, 09:54:04 PM
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1192634091775987712

they blur it out, but still awful  :-\
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: team filler on November 07, 2019, 11:56:39 PM
https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1192665088324452352

 :pitbull
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: shosta on November 08, 2019, 12:23:28 AM
Quote from: Esch on November 07, 2019, 07:17:14 PM
https://twitter.com/GeorgMarques/status/1192468959582466056
I mean Glenn was calling him a fucking coward to his face over and over again, that guy has huge balls.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: kingv on November 08, 2019, 01:31:28 AM
Greenwald got all the smoke he was looking for and then goes on twitter complaining about being assaulted.

On brand though...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: team filler on November 08, 2019, 03:51:18 AM
https://twitter.com/LloydMsipa/status/1192706203043999744
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 08, 2019, 12:12:27 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50342714
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - RIP BernierBros
Post by: Nintex on November 08, 2019, 04:00:46 PM
The yearly Zwarte Piet or Black Pete wars have begun early in the Netherlands this year.
Since a few years a bunch of people want Zwarte Piet/Black Pete to be banned because they consider it racist.
Others consider it part of the Sinterklaas tradition.

Usually the anti-Black Pete people resort to violent protests and death threats (as they are close to the militant left).
This year however, the anti-anti-black pete people have 'fired the first shot' by storming a gathering of anti-Black Pete activists with fire works.
Or was it Russians trying to stir up political unrest.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Nintex on November 08, 2019, 04:18:48 PM
Anyhow the Black Pete diversion comes at a good time for our government.
Apparently we bombed Iraq and innocents died and the government is sort of 'shrug, we don't recall' about it.
However, the special UN envoy to Iraq is none other than our previous secretary of Defense Jeanine Antoinette Hennis-Plasschaert.
And she was in that position when this war crime occurred, awkward!

Like other people of her stature she tweets and she tweeted something that the Iraqi's didn't like. So now she has somehow
become a target of their protests, being refered to as a lapdog of Iran as well.

The UN together with Iran the Iraqi's say are only there to take their oil.
Iraq has arrived at a crossroads where they hate both the US/NATO/UN and Iran/Russia.

They hate her guts and we're like: "Wait, how the hell did she fail upwards to get a job as UN envoy LMAO"

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIyiH6RXsAIwPUc?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: curly on November 08, 2019, 08:19:08 PM
LULA LIVRE

EAT MY ASS OUT ASSI
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: curly on November 08, 2019, 08:20:04 PM
https://twitter.com/LulaOficial/status/1192936144759140355

socdem solidarity
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Nintex on November 09, 2019, 06:27:49 AM
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1193106153795997696 (https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1193106153795997696)
 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Nintex on November 09, 2019, 05:26:31 PM
Boris' campaign is the gift that keeps on giving

https://twitter.com/VOANews/status/1192932308140978176 (https://twitter.com/VOANews/status/1192932308140978176)

 :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 09, 2019, 09:53:23 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50354918

Quote
Libération said the official kept a log of the incidents on an Excel spreadsheet.

French culture. :piss

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: shosta on November 09, 2019, 09:55:48 PM
Quote
French newspaper Libération quoted five women (in French) who said they were offered tea or coffee during the interviews and then taken on walking tours of heritage sites near the ministry in Paris.

When they became overcome with a desire to urinate, the man took them to the embankment of the River Seine and offered to shield them with his coat while they relieved themselves beneath a bridge.

"I urinated on the floor, almost at his feet. I was humiliated and ashamed," one said.
:dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: team filler on November 10, 2019, 12:34:18 AM
https://twitter.com/TerrinaMajnoona/status/1193390365564256257

 :pimp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: team filler on November 10, 2019, 08:23:09 AM
https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/1193497316398895105
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Nintex on November 10, 2019, 09:43:40 AM
The UK election is bonkers.
The polls say Boris is winning, but everywhere he goes he gets tomato's thrown at him and his campaign launch was attended by about 100 journalists and 50 party members.
But Jeremy can't capitalize on that because he's an anti-semitic IRA loving cunt according to... prominent members of his own party.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: team filler on November 10, 2019, 01:12:53 PM
https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1193540325945593859

https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1193540328382517251

 :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Nintex on November 10, 2019, 01:22:48 PM
Quote from: filler on November 10, 2019, 01:12:53 PM
https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1193540325945593859

https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1193540328382517251

 :rejoice

I really have to hold myself back from not replying to that Tweet with:

"THANK YOU WORKING HARD!!!!"

But I'm afraid I would get nuked so hard in cyberspace with death threats and the like  :-\
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: team filler on November 10, 2019, 03:12:43 PM
https://twitter.com/pvivancoguzman/status/1193619070790356992

 :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: shosta on November 10, 2019, 03:22:16 PM
All he had to do was participate in a runoff
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: team filler on November 10, 2019, 03:31:38 PM
 ::)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Nintex on November 10, 2019, 03:33:29 PM
The fattie left the country lmao

Another communist defeated by a boi with a hat  8)

(https://static.eldeber.com.bo//Files/Sizes/2019/10/29/985170609_760x520.jpg)

Not so long ago the commie clashed with Trump at the UN
Quote
Bolivia's President read Trump a history of US foreign policy failures. "Thank you, Mr President" Trump responded
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Nintex on November 10, 2019, 03:58:54 PM
https://twitter.com/teleSURtv/status/1193633227451310080 (https://twitter.com/teleSURtv/status/1193633227451310080)

 :trumps

Goodbye commie

Quote from: Esch on November 10, 2019, 03:55:54 PM
You can remove Morales with fascist coups and another will pop up in his place, socialism will win in South America one way or another. It's been 100 years of this and imperialists still can't convince the continent that capitalism is good :neogaf
He rigged an election and admitted as much when he wanted a do-over  :neogaf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: shosta on November 10, 2019, 04:00:54 PM
I'm not at all surprised that a literal coup is happening and you're laughing your ass off because you're a bootlicking piece of shit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Tripon on November 10, 2019, 04:01:43 PM
https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1193607955154911234

Why does Lib dem exist as a party.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Nintex on November 10, 2019, 04:04:55 PM
Quote from: shosta on November 10, 2019, 04:00:54 PM
I'm not at all surprised that a literal coup is happening and you're laughing your ass off because you're a bootlicking piece of shit
There is no coup.

The vice president will take over and then there will be fair elections.
Half the government had already resigned as well as the board overseeing the elections.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Tripon on November 10, 2019, 04:06:52 PM
Quote from: Nintex on November 10, 2019, 04:04:55 PM
Quote from: shosta on November 10, 2019, 04:00:54 PM
I'm not at all surprised that a literal coup is happening and you're laughing your ass off because you're a bootlicking piece of shit
There is no coup.

The vice president will take over and then there will be fair elections.
Half the government had already resigned as well as the board overseeing the elections.

There is no coup as military threatens politicians to resign or face bullets.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Nintex on November 10, 2019, 04:10:41 PM
Quote from: Tripon on November 10, 2019, 04:01:43 PM
https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1193607955154911234

Why does Lib dem exist as a party.
Jonathan Pie summed up the entire election in one video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvFydpkTiZo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: shosta on November 10, 2019, 04:11:51 PM
I don't want to be too sympathetic to Morales here. For one thing the guy got two terms in, was a popular president, presided over a large economic boom that genuinely funneled extraction profits into general development and large standard of living increases for most people, and kicked USAID and NED out, so his time in office was pretty consequential. Secondly, he nearly won this election in the first round (and imo he did win it), but made it controversial for no reason because he wanted to avoid a runoff. Now there's violence everywhere, politicians are being run out of their towns, and he's fleeing the country. Complete fuckup that didn't have to happen.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Nintex on November 10, 2019, 04:27:21 PM
Quote from: shosta on November 10, 2019, 04:11:51 PM
I don't want to be too sympathetic to Morales here. For one thing the guy got two terms in, was a popular president, presided over a large economic boom that genuinely funneled extraction profits into general development and large standard of living increases for most people, and kicked USAID and NED out, so his time in office was pretty consequential. Secondly, he nearly won this election in the first round (and imo he did win it), but made it controversial for no reason because he wanted to avoid a runoff. Now there's violence everywhere, politicians are being run out of their towns, and he's fleeing the country. Complete fuckup that didn't have to happen.
Yup, he overplayed his hand Maduro style but in this case it didn't work.

I never understand why Presidents insist on more than 2 terms. After 2 terms everyone is getting sick of your shit and wants someone else on the TV broadcast.
Had he done 2 terms and resigned, people would've considered him a good leader.  Now his legacy is fleeing his country after rigging an election.

Same with Putin, Merkel and Bibi.
Merkel would've been the respected Mutti Merkel who made Germany 'recession proof', not the crazy old hag shaking uncontrollably when listening to the anthem.
Bibi the one that brought safety and security with the Iron Dome and set the stage for new peace negotiations.

Putin the President that brought Russia back from the brink but didn't turn his back on democracy and the west.
At some point like every other eternal leader he'll die a lonesome and senile death in the Kremlin or he'll get strung up on the balcony.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: team filler on November 10, 2019, 04:43:12 PM
https://twitter.com/telesurenglish/status/1193643359849648128

 :pimp
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Post by: team filler on November 10, 2019, 06:11:42 PM
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1193657983219257344

the mad lad  :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Nintex on November 10, 2019, 06:30:36 PM
Quote from: filler on November 10, 2019, 06:11:42 PM
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1193657983219257344

the mad lad  :rejoice

Oh Jeremy  :lol

It's like no one actually wants to win this election
https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1193658506743812096 (https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1193658506743812096)

Tories going after the lucrative War Crimes vote
Labour securing the very important Bolivian socialist electorate
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: curly on November 10, 2019, 11:41:05 PM
https://twitter.com/pvillegas_tlSUR/status/1193694912505688064

google translate: The whipala is a symbol of resistance of the indigenous peoples of Abya Yala. This image summarizes one of the reasons for the coup against @evoespueblo
 .
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: team filler on November 10, 2019, 11:50:06 PM
the fashies going after venezuelan and mexican embassies  :pacspit
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Post by: Rufus on November 11, 2019, 01:28:09 PM
German Die Linke does as well, but then they're not all too relevant. :yeshrug
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: team filler on November 11, 2019, 01:46:08 PM
https://twitter.com/walid970721/status/1193943197036285952

 :heh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Nintex on November 11, 2019, 04:03:50 PM
Quote from: filler on November 11, 2019, 01:46:08 PM
https://twitter.com/walid970721/status/1193943197036285952

 :heh
All fun and games until Trump actually sends in the troops to get the oil  :lol


meanwhile the greatest campaign in history continues
https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1193850734518951936 (https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1193850734518951936)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: team filler on November 11, 2019, 04:12:40 PM
https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1193995647826853888

https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1193998248005926914
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: team filler on November 11, 2019, 04:21:03 PM
https://twitter.com/evoespueblo/status/1193848492575334406

 :tocry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Occam on November 11, 2019, 04:30:05 PM
Quote from: filler on November 11, 2019, 04:12:40 PM
https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1193995647826853888

https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1193998248005926914

Sounds like he was a swell guy:

Quote
In April 2018, the US, UK and France launched a series of air and cruise missile strikes against Syria following the publication of a White Helmets video appearing to show that a horrific chemical attack that had taken place in Douma, a city in the Damascus suburbs about 10 km from the capital. The Douma attack was later debunked by verified testimony from multiple eyewitnesses who appeared in the video, including that of an 11-year-old boy who revealed that he and his mother had been given food to participate in the video. Since that time, Damascus and its allies have repeatedly voiced concerns about the possibility of more fake videos and false flag attacks by the groups designed to prompt Western intervention.

Last week, the Russian Foreign Ministry urged London to investigate Le Mesurier's possible ties to al-Qaeda. At a briefing on Friday, Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova pointed to independent research indicating the former spy's possible links to terrorist organisations going back to his work in Kosovo. "There is data suggesting that there were al-Qaeda members among his team there," Zakharova said, adding that Moscow would "very much like to hear what London has to say about these facts."

By the way, from the same article: The man was suffering from depression, and
Quote
"A source close to the investigation later said that there was no evidence of any unauthorised persons being near his residence at the time of his death.

Le Mesurier's wife was quoted by Sabah as saying that she and her husband had dinner together on Sunday. "After that we took sleeping pills and went to bed. A few hours later I woke up from the ringing of our doorbell. It was the police. They told me that my husband had fallen from the balcony and died."

Right, "suicided".
(lol)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Boredfrom on November 11, 2019, 04:37:50 PM
Quote from: Esch on November 11, 2019, 01:18:42 PM
Looks like Corbyn and Omar are the only first world succ dems showing any solidarity with Evo. What a joke :lol

Maybe they shouldn’t.  :putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Occam on November 11, 2019, 04:43:23 PM
@filler
Didn't you link to tweets by "Syrian Girl" before? Unless I am mistaking her for someone else, I watched a video posted by her a while ago and there is something very wrong with how she perceives reality. She may be in need of professional help.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: team filler on November 11, 2019, 04:46:02 PM
who isn't?  ;)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 11, 2019, 05:02:35 PM
Quote from: Occam on November 11, 2019, 04:30:05 PM
Quote from: filler on November 11, 2019, 04:12:40 PM
https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1193995647826853888

https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1193998248005926914

Sounds like he was a swell guy:

Quote
In April 2018, the US, UK and France launched a series of air and cruise missile strikes against Syria following the publication of a White Helmets video appearing to show that a horrific chemical attack that had taken place in Douma, a city in the Damascus suburbs about 10 km from the capital. The Douma attack was later debunked by verified testimony from multiple eyewitnesses who appeared in the video, including that of an 11-year-old boy who revealed that he and his mother had been given food to participate in the video. Since that time, Damascus and its allies have repeatedly voiced concerns about the possibility of more fake videos and false flag attacks by the groups designed to prompt Western intervention.

Last week, the Russian Foreign Ministry urged London to investigate Le Mesurier's possible ties to al-Qaeda. At a briefing on Friday, Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova pointed to independent research indicating the former spy's possible links to terrorist organisations going back to his work in Kosovo. "There is data suggesting that there were al-Qaeda members among his team there," Zakharova said, adding that Moscow would "very much like to hear what London has to say about these facts."

By the way, from the same article: The man was suffering from depression, and
Quote
"A source close to the investigation later said that there was no evidence of any unauthorised persons being near his residence at the time of his death.

Le Mesurier's wife was quoted by Sabah as saying that she and her husband had dinner together on Sunday. "After that we took sleeping pills and went to bed. A few hours later I woke up from the ringing of our doorbell. It was the police. They told me that my husband had fallen from the balcony and died."

Right, "suicided".
(lol)


Oh wow, filler/Nintex posting easily debunked nonsense in a political thread? I can't believe it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: team filler on November 11, 2019, 05:27:39 PM
the fashy bots are out in full force   :yuck



https://twitter.com/Louis_Allday/status/1193661776681984000
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Boredfrom on November 11, 2019, 05:29:08 PM
Is not Bolivia in the American continent?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Nintex on November 11, 2019, 05:33:13 PM
As Reagan taught us.

There is no better way to beat the commies than to drown them in bullshit.

 :salute
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: shosta on November 11, 2019, 06:14:12 PM
I just permabanned you from thebore.org.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: OnlyRegret on November 11, 2019, 07:11:00 PM
more like partisan bae, right filler

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: team filler on November 12, 2019, 02:18:37 AM
Quote from: Esch on November 11, 2019, 07:10:03 PM
https://twitter.com/getfiscal/status/1194029874110963713
(https://i.imgur.com/Z7uGHeU.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: team filler on November 12, 2019, 03:21:46 AM
https://twitter.com/AntifaSac_/status/1194034149142585344

benj outchea shooting chilenos
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: team filler on November 12, 2019, 03:33:48 AM
https://twitter.com/TidewaterDSA/status/1194076438158290945

 :dobbs
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: team filler on November 12, 2019, 03:40:14 AM
https://twitter.com/evoespueblo/status/1194064700075589638

https://twitter.com/pvillegas_tlSUR/status/1194113893951520770

 :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Nintex on November 12, 2019, 03:50:20 AM
Quote from: shosta on November 11, 2019, 06:14:12 PM
I just permabanned you from thebore.org.
amir0x permabanned me once  :juche
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: team filler on November 12, 2019, 12:57:58 PM
https://twitter.com/maduro_en/status/1194286696160022530

 :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: kingv on November 12, 2019, 01:25:32 PM
Is she filming in a Holiday Inn?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: team filler on November 12, 2019, 03:41:32 PM
https://twitter.com/AllezLesBoulez/status/1194085622924939265

 :hmm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: shosta on November 12, 2019, 03:55:26 PM
That whole tweet thread about Daza makes me feel disgusted. I hate watching this in real time. It's easier when it's in history books.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: team filler on November 12, 2019, 04:09:00 PM
https://twitter.com/OublietteNoire/status/1194171916447289344
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Nintex on November 12, 2019, 06:34:32 PM
What the hell is his process for making tea  :lol
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1194320833977733123 (https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1194320833977733123)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Raist on November 12, 2019, 08:19:07 PM
Quote from: Nintex on November 12, 2019, 06:34:32 PM
What the hell is his process for making tea  :lol


Welcome to Britain, enjoy your stay.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: El Babua on November 12, 2019, 10:44:21 PM
https://twitter.com/DavidMizner/status/1193947575222714369
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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 12, 2019, 10:46:44 PM
Quote from: Stro on November 12, 2019, 10:07:34 PM
"Oven ready, slam it in the microwave" sounds like the entire Brexit ordeal in a nutshell.

Or a filler post
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: shosta on November 12, 2019, 11:39:17 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/turkey-syria-national-army-kurds-safe-zone-human-rights-abuse-looting-kidnap-executions-a9198311.html

Quote
More than 200,000 people have been internally displaced by the Turkish-led offensive, according to the United Nations.

Families that have been scattered across eastern Syria say that Turkey’s Syrian Arab proxies have carried out summary executions and beatings, kidnapped or detained their relatives and looted their houses, businesses and belongings.

how do you cause that much destruction in a single month?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Tripon on November 12, 2019, 11:44:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhPkQvgDNDA
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Nintex on November 13, 2019, 03:40:07 AM
Quote from: Tripon on November 12, 2019, 11:44:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhPkQvgDNDA
"Mr Trump operation Fat Bear is complete"

"Great job everybody now put her in power"

"But sir, we talked about this... she's third in line"

"Third? Looks like a solid 8 to me. Get it done"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: VomKriege on November 13, 2019, 06:25:10 AM
Quote from: shosta on November 12, 2019, 11:39:17 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/turkey-syria-national-army-kurds-safe-zone-human-rights-abuse-looting-kidnap-executions-a9198311.html

Quote
More than 200,000 people have been internally displaced by the Turkish-led offensive, according to the United Nations.

Families that have been scattered across eastern Syria say that Turkey’s Syrian Arab proxies have carried out summary executions and beatings, kidnapped or detained their relatives and looted their houses, businesses and belongings.

how do you cause that much destruction in a single month?

Modern weaponry is marvelous.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: team filler on November 13, 2019, 01:42:57 PM
https://twitter.com/wyattreed13/status/1194685292478906371

 :pacspit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Nintex on November 13, 2019, 03:58:12 PM
https://twitter.com/davemacladd/status/1194693015408955395 (https://twitter.com/davemacladd/status/1194693015408955395)

The Prime Minister of the people had another FANTASTIC day on the campaign trail today.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Pissy F Benny on November 13, 2019, 04:04:12 PM
If there’s one thing you can say about Boris it’s he takes being called a useless cunt and to fuck off by the public just about as well as anyone could.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Nintex on November 13, 2019, 04:07:29 PM
Quote from: BlueLithium on November 13, 2019, 04:04:12 PM
If there’s one thing you can say about Boris it’s he takes being called a useless cunt and to fuck off by the public just about as well as anyone could.
One of his defenses against hecklers and protesters during the brexit campaign was that you could call him a useless cunt but you couldn't say the same thing to those running things in Brussels because the public barely knows them.

It was one of the few things he was actually right about during that campaign
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: team filler on November 13, 2019, 04:50:50 PM
https://twitter.com/eshaLegal/status/1194722614972956672

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: OnlyRegret on November 13, 2019, 06:26:21 PM
I can't believe Jonas Salk was a sleeper cell agent all this time!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Nintex on November 13, 2019, 06:39:18 PM
Quote from: filler on November 13, 2019, 04:50:50 PM
https://twitter.com/eshaLegal/status/1194722614972956672

 :lol
Russian cabinet members getting their flu shots after the meeting
(http://gifon007.eu/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Funny-Video-Cute-Puppy-Costume-Running-Gif.gif)

Getting my flu shot tomorrow  :smug
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: team filler on November 13, 2019, 11:44:00 PM
https://twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1194376085812760576

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: shosta on November 14, 2019, 12:01:27 AM
https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1194658741054050305

just a little bit of that ur-fascism for you
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: shosta on November 14, 2019, 03:35:43 AM
(http://prod-upp-image-read.ft.com/ba4b5458-062e-11ea-a958-5e9b7282cbd1)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 14, 2019, 11:43:49 AM
Three months ago:
Quote from: Nintex on August 09, 2019, 04:58:01 PM
Most of Europe is already in a recession or close to it right now.

Q3 results are out.
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/10075412/2-14112019-AP-EN.pdf/c29b43ca-1bc8-d863-cbcd-31cc05068ddf

UK and Germany were the only countries in danger of a recession, and they both reported positive Q3 growth--in fact, all EU countries (with data) had positive growth.

Zero in a recession. Zero close to it.


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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 14, 2019, 11:48:46 AM
My favorite scene from Mad Max.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Nintex on November 14, 2019, 01:09:11 PM
https://twitter.com/Corbynator2_0/status/1195032120307146753 (https://twitter.com/Corbynator2_0/status/1195032120307146753)

https://twitter.com/FreddieBailey96/status/1195036473579515904 (https://twitter.com/FreddieBailey96/status/1195036473579515904)

A couple more weeks of this  :lawd
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: OnlyRegret on November 14, 2019, 04:42:38 PM
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-meets-with-bq-s-blanchet-as-part-of-pre-parliament-planning-1.5357617

Quote
As economic tensions rise in Western Canada over the slump in the oil sector, Bloc Québécois Leader Yves-François Blanchet is warning the region that it should expect no help from him — and saying that he still wants Quebec to be its own country.

Speaking after a meeting with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in Ottawa Wednesday morning, Blanchet was asked about the push for independence in the West and whether he would consider setting a more collaborative example in Ottawa.

"I doubt it, because I still believe that Quebec will do better when it becomes a country," he said. "So I'm not the one that will fight to have a nice, beautiful and united Canada."
Quote
Blanchet was also asked if he has any advice to offer those pushing for western independence.

"If they were attempting to create a green state in western Canada, I might be tempted to help them. If they are trying to create an oil state in Western Canada, they cannot expect any help from us," he said.

Oh where oh where does this WEXIT shit draw its inspiration from  ::)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Nintex on November 14, 2019, 06:20:50 PM
It's like all the competent campaign managers said: "Sort it out yourself lads"

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1195042683565301761 (https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1195042683565301761)

https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1195046002878754818 (https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1195046002878754818)

There was another attempt at something

https://twitter.com/PoliReview/status/1195020985071788038 (https://twitter.com/PoliReview/status/1195020985071788038)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: shosta on November 14, 2019, 06:33:34 PM
Ańez is saying that Morales will not be allowed to run. Totally not a coup though :heh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: team filler on November 14, 2019, 06:34:06 PM
https://twitter.com/TheArabSource/status/1195079850094211082

 :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: team filler on November 14, 2019, 07:55:34 PM
https://twitter.com/anyaparampil/status/1195138481527414789
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Occam on November 14, 2019, 11:35:39 PM
https://www.axios.com/erdogan-turkey-kurds-movie-oval-office-trump-gop-senators-b9acd411-19f3-4de6-9003-0525a43114bd.html

"An Oval Office meeting yesterday with Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan took a dark turn when Erdoğan pulled out his iPad and made the group watch a propaganda video that depicted the leader of the primarily-Kurdish Syrian Democratic Forces as a terrorist, according to three sources familiar with the meeting."

"Erdoğan's video "was unpersuasive," according to a source who was in the room. It depicted members of the YPG (the U.S.-allied People's Protection Units) and the PKK (the Kurdistan Workers' Party, which the State Department has designated as a terrorist group).

    After the film concluded, according to the source, Sen. Lindsey Graham asked Erdoğan: "Well, do you want me to go get the Kurds to make one about what you've done?"
    Erdoğan got into a heated back-and-forth with Graham over Turkey's recent invasion of Syria, according to four sources familiar with the meeting. A source in the room said Erdoğan took exception to Graham using the word "invasion" and that Graham also rebutted Erdoğan when he claimed that Turkey had fought ISIS."

"    Sen. Ted Cruz said in a statement that he "made clear to President Erdoğan that so long as Turkey continues to procure or deploy the S-400 air defense system from Russia, the U.S. will not sell F-35 fighter jets to Turkey." All the senators in the room, including Joni Ernst and Senate Foreign Relations Chair Jim Risch, were unified on the S-400 point.
    Sen. Rick Scott pressed Erdoğan on "why Turkey should enjoy the protections of NATO when they're cozying up to Russia," according to another source familiar with the meeting."
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: shosta on November 15, 2019, 12:59:25 AM
https://twitter.com/fatihcagrii/status/1194981561554407424

wtfffffff
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Occam on November 15, 2019, 10:50:09 AM
I fully agree, but thought it was funny nonetheless.
Virtually all current Republicans are gutless, otherwise you can't be a member of the party.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: Nintex on November 15, 2019, 01:45:54 PM
https://twitter.com/damocrat/status/1195273076503666689 (https://twitter.com/damocrat/status/1195273076503666689)

https://twitter.com/BBCBreakfast/status/1195270747574419456 (https://twitter.com/BBCBreakfast/status/1195270747574419456)

https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1195292609780101121 (https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1195292609780101121)

At this point the best Tory strategy would be to lock Boris up in a room somewhere until he's elected  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: team filler on November 15, 2019, 02:48:54 PM
https://twitter.com/claytonswisher/status/1195190177406312448

influencers  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: team filler on November 15, 2019, 03:28:44 PM
https://twitter.com/anyaparampil/status/1195430772892672001

 :dobbs
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Assimilate Annihilated
Post by: OnlyRegret on November 16, 2019, 03:26:33 AM
Quote from: filler on November 15, 2019, 02:48:54 PM
https://twitter.com/claytonswisher/status/1195190177406312448

influencers  :lol

lmao
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on November 16, 2019, 03:02:04 PM
https://twitter.com/Raman_Ghavami/status/1195778716959424514 (https://twitter.com/Raman_Ghavami/status/1195778716959424514)

https://twitter.com/Raman_Ghavami/status/1195774653643526145 (https://twitter.com/Raman_Ghavami/status/1195774653643526145)

https://twitter.com/Raman_Ghavami/status/1195791471372361736 (https://twitter.com/Raman_Ghavami/status/1195791471372361736)

 :pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: OnlyRegret on November 16, 2019, 03:05:44 PM
I always have my doubts about things in Iran. Is it genuine or is it the Americans (again).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on November 16, 2019, 03:09:12 PM
Has been going on all day it seems

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/HeshmatAlavi/status/1195729837052350465 (https://twitter.com/HeshmatAlavi/status/1195729837052350465)
https://twitter.com/HeshmatAlavi/status/1195762724254420993 (https://twitter.com/HeshmatAlavi/status/1195762724254420993)
https://twitter.com/HeshmatAlavi/status/1195762776658120705 (https://twitter.com/HeshmatAlavi/status/1195762776658120705)
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Would be nice if these people would be able to free themselves.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Rufus on November 16, 2019, 03:29:19 PM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on November 16, 2019, 03:05:44 PM
I always have my doubts about things in Iran. Is it genuine or is it the Americans (again).
Fuel prices hiked and there's rationing on top. They have reason to be upset. How big this is, or will be, is another matter entirely. Place your bets!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: jorma on November 16, 2019, 03:43:49 PM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on November 16, 2019, 03:05:44 PM
I always have my doubts about things in Iran. Is it genuine or is it the Americans (again).

It has to be real, i've heard that attacking banks is haram to the Americans  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on November 16, 2019, 06:27:41 PM
https://twitter.com/maduro_en/status/1195839271732686848

 :pitbull
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on November 16, 2019, 07:08:45 PM
Maduro is the only person who notices Mike Pence  :tocry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on November 16, 2019, 07:57:51 PM
Prince Andrew had a train crash of an interview in which he says he wasn't at a club with Epstein but at a Pizza Express.  :doge
Then after being confronted with witness testimony, he says there's a problem with it because of an adrenaline overdose in the Falkland Wars he didn't sweat at that time.

Jesus christ this fucker.  :doge

https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1195816154541035525 (https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1195816154541035525)

https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1195818253207117830 (https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1195818253207117830)

https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1195817028420022272 (https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1195817028420022272)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on November 16, 2019, 08:22:38 PM
https://twitter.com/PizzaExpress/status/1195841217789124608

 :society
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on November 16, 2019, 08:37:26 PM
https://twitter.com/KBombroffe/status/1195815437256318976 (https://twitter.com/KBombroffe/status/1195815437256318976)

He's a terrible actor
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on November 16, 2019, 11:04:25 PM
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1195747651561627650

the mad lad  :tophat
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on November 16, 2019, 11:58:29 PM
https://twitter.com/ajitxsingh/status/1195758522019041280

 :juche
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on November 17, 2019, 06:25:35 AM
Boris has a new BUS!
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1196006067005726721 (https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1196006067005726721)

And a new SCANDAL
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1195961819610918913 (https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1195961819610918913)

The man of the PEOPLE!
https://twitter.com/Corbynator2_0/status/1195816915387797505 (https://twitter.com/Corbynator2_0/status/1195816915387797505)


 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on November 17, 2019, 02:36:31 PM
https://twitter.com/Badbitcoinorg/status/1196149009670459392

 :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on November 17, 2019, 06:01:58 PM
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1196038084795781120 (https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1196038084795781120)

https://twitter.com/business/status/1196155584460054529 (https://twitter.com/business/status/1196155584460054529)

Yup, that's one way to describe it


I like how the response to: "JESUS he might actually have done it" is "We need a better PR spin on this  :thinking"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on November 17, 2019, 11:20:09 PM
https://twitter.com/sofiaxzaldivar/status/1190374331924303872

 :rejoice :putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on November 18, 2019, 03:00:13 PM
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1196470189535219713 (https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1196470189535219713)

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on November 18, 2019, 04:43:15 PM
https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1196538075037306880

british royalty are libertarians  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: benjipwns on November 18, 2019, 04:59:55 PM
Quote from: filler on November 17, 2019, 11:20:09 PM
https://twitter.com/sofiaxzaldivar/status/1190374331924303872
the part about the ties made me laugh

but Russian didn't already have a word for bureaucracy?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on November 18, 2019, 06:18:47 PM
Quote from: filler on November 18, 2019, 04:43:15 PM
https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1196538075037306880

british royalty are libertarians  :doge
I told you the libruls were going to defend a bunch of rapists.  :hmph

I'm sorry, "disgraced financiers"

A bunch of doctors have said Prince Andrew is full of shit and you can't temporarily lose your ability to sweat.
Some businesses have cut ties with him.  8)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on November 18, 2019, 11:10:38 PM
https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1196633313911308288
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: shosta on November 19, 2019, 02:22:36 AM
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3038325/hong-kong-judges-slammed-chinas-top-legislative-body

Aw shit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on November 19, 2019, 03:14:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kEB5pqWpJw

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/PhvQ0pSu9MgLe/source.gif)

Johnson is already getting wrecked by both the moderator and Corbyn 10 minutes in  :doge

Moderator: "Do you think trust is important"
Johsnon: "Yes, I truly believe...."

Audience: *LAUGHS*

Johnson: "But Brexit"

Moderator: "Let Mr. Corbyn respond"

Johnson: "[inaudible]"

 :lol

Moderator: "Next we're going to ask about the economy, healthcare and possibly Prince Andrew"
Audience: "OOohhh"

*CUT TO COMMERCIAL*
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Brehvolution on November 19, 2019, 04:15:14 PM
Quote tweets from a nazi, brehs.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on November 19, 2019, 05:28:59 PM
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1196908517434830850

 :piss :tophat :piss2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on November 19, 2019, 05:33:10 PM
NintexSilver Poll Analysis

1. No one trusts politicians in general, let alone one with opposing views

2. I guess folks want a PM that echoes Churchill the most

3. People want a likable candidate even if they disagree with him

4. No one thinks they are ordinary themselves so this doesn't really matter

Boris got this  8)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Tripon on November 19, 2019, 09:34:41 PM
Quote
Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) has doubled down this week on calling the recent ouster of Bolivia’s now-former President Evo Morales a “coup,” but few other U.S. lawmakers or candidates followed suit.

The ongoing debate on whether constitutional order was maintained during and after the transition has echoed a larger divide in global politics. Sanders’s view is shared among the global left, including Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), British Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn and Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador, who granted asylum to Morales upon his exit from Bolivia.

But the Trump administration — and opponents of the Latin American populist left embodied by Morales and López Obrador — saw the end of the Morales government as a boon to democracy in the region.

"I oppose the intervention of Bolivia's security forces in the democratic process and their repression of Indigenous protesters. When the military intervened and asked President Evo Morales to leave, in my view, that’s called a coup," wrote Sanders on Twitter Monday evening.

https://thehill.com/policy/international/americas/471180-sanders-doubles-down-on-bolivia-coup-few-follow-suit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on November 20, 2019, 07:19:13 AM
https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1197121629329010688 (https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1197121629329010688)

What the hell is he doing - episode 579
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Ghoul on November 20, 2019, 07:45:54 AM
Quote from: Nintex on November 19, 2019, 05:33:10 PM
NintexSilver Poll Analysis

1. No one trusts politicians in general, let alone one with opposing views

2. I guess folks want a PM that echoes Churchill the most

3. People want a likable candidate even if they disagree with him

4. No one thinks they are ordinary themselves so this doesn't really matter

Boris got this  8)

I just want you to know I dislike you greatly, and I hope that Boris destroys you.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on November 20, 2019, 02:18:43 PM
The queen has asked Prince Andrew to 'retire from public life'.

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on November 20, 2019, 04:17:00 PM
https://twitter.com/VanessaBeeley/status/1197231605678518273
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: OnlyRegret on November 20, 2019, 04:31:19 PM
you Corbynitler """fans""" ain't slick  :pacspit

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10382852/david-baddiel-tweets-jew-notice-jeremy-corbyn-mispronounce-epstein/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Occam on November 20, 2019, 04:48:43 PM
That's not really a mispronunciation, though.

"Stein is a German, Yiddish and Norwegian word meaning "stone" and "pip" or "kernel". It stems from the same Germanic root as the English word stone." (Wiki)
IPA: [ʃtaɪ̯n]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Rufus on November 20, 2019, 04:52:47 PM
Nobody would dare make this argument about Einstein. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: OnlyRegret on November 20, 2019, 04:55:05 PM
Quote from: Occam on November 20, 2019, 04:48:43 PM
That's not really a mispronunciation, though.

"Stein is a German, Yiddish and Norwegian word meaning "stone" and "pip" or "kernel". It stems from the same Germanic root as the English word stone." (Wiki)
IPA: [ʃtaɪ̯n]

:yikes
Can't believe this g*ysplainin' is allowed around here

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/Baddiel/status/1197083052398301185
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Occam on November 20, 2019, 05:00:39 PM
Just because Americans pronounce it "nitch" doesn't mean that's how you say niche.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Occam on November 20, 2019, 05:05:52 PM
Quote from: Rufus on November 20, 2019, 04:52:47 PM
Nobody would dare make this argument about Einstein.

Yep, it's quite ridiculous.

(Albert Einstein (/ˈaɪnstaɪn/ EYEN-styne))
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Occam on November 20, 2019, 05:06:47 PM
Quote from: Stro on November 20, 2019, 05:05:11 PM
Only Republicans pronounce it "nitch"

What about "aluminum"?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: OnlyRegret on November 20, 2019, 05:11:24 PM
okay, racist

https://twitter.com/CatherineLenson/status/1197073375102939136
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Occam on November 20, 2019, 05:16:29 PM
I hope for her sake that she lives in a country with a public health system that can get her the psychiatric treatment she so desperately needs.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 20, 2019, 05:29:27 PM
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2019/11/blood-stained-jason-kenney-fires-police-officers-investigating-murder/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 21, 2019, 10:22:34 AM
Quote from: Nintex on November 20, 2019, 02:18:43 PM
The queen has asked Prince Andrew to 'retire from public life'.

 :doge

Just like Epstein, amirite!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Brehvolution on November 21, 2019, 01:12:46 PM
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1197553083858984961

(https://i.imgur.com/OO0cCH0.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on November 21, 2019, 01:16:24 PM
indictments are antisemitic!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on November 21, 2019, 02:12:00 PM
https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1197496972019666944 (https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1197496972019666944)

The mooo in the background completes this
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on November 21, 2019, 02:12:23 PM
https://twitter.com/HerbKeinon/status/1197405993753305089

https://twitter.com/davidsheen/status/1197587251011768324

eat shit dufus  :smug
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 21, 2019, 05:03:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5avtfMXeh40
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: benjipwns on November 21, 2019, 05:47:44 PM
Quote from: Nintex on November 21, 2019, 02:12:00 PM
https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1197496972019666944 (https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1197496972019666944)

The mooo in the background completes this
Build 40 hospitals and only have six of them open at any one time. :rollsafe
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on November 21, 2019, 06:11:40 PM
Blair really did a number on the Labour party as they can't seem to get past 30% in the polls while the conservatives have finally broken the 40% mark.
You may as well end your party if you can't beat mumbling bus aficionado Boris or gremlin nincompoops like Gove.

I really can't think of a reason why the Tories would poll that well unless people really enjoy watching Boris' train wreck of a campaign.  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: OnlyRegret on November 21, 2019, 09:40:58 PM
(https://i.redd.it/z1i70x4vr1041.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Kara on November 21, 2019, 09:44:08 PM
Instead of just apologizing for that when she got pushback on Twitter she doubled down and (even by "UK politics in 2019" standards) went even more asinine.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: OnlyRegret on November 21, 2019, 09:49:29 PM
They really, really, really keep trying to push this stuff.

https://twitter.com/DavidHirsh/status/1197477816046100480

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: benjipwns on November 21, 2019, 09:52:45 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/sLryBRB.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on November 22, 2019, 11:52:27 AM
trump da gawd saving the world from US imperialism  :dobbs
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on November 22, 2019, 01:38:36 PM
Trump is using the age old trick to get rid of a client you don't want.
Simply give them a price they'll never pay.

1) The client accepts (this sucks, but at least you're paid 2 or 3 times your usual fee)
2) The client declines your offer and goes elsewhere (but it is their decision so no hard feelings)

Now China can use "price anchoring" every price that comes after the first offer (5 billion) will be relative.
So something like 2.5 billion is a lot but compared to 5 billion that's only 50% for pretty much the same service. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on November 22, 2019, 02:03:36 PM
That is not Art of the Deal but business 101.

When you have a difficult or demanding client you make the price say no.
That way you clear some space for new clients or more work for better paying clients (in this case Saudi Arabia)
It's kinda weird to see it in politics though.

I wonder when Trump is going to give Germany and other countries that host US troops a similar offer.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Kara on November 22, 2019, 02:11:50 PM
Nintex's argument rests on the position that the Republic of Korea is a client that's too demanding which is prima facie absurd to anyone who isn't an imbecile.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on November 22, 2019, 02:15:25 PM
Having a physical troop presence in any foreign country seems sort of outdated with the drones and everything.

It used to make sense because you had to deploy troops to occupy an area and keep it under control.
Now the wars are fought on the internet, with currency devaluation and with drone strikes.

Saddam couldn't win with tanks and troops against technology in the 90's. Just imagine how such a war would play out 30 years later.

The actual combat in any recent war with NATO involvement was over within a week or less.
After that it's an insurgency or terrorism and guerrilla warfare that most nations are ill equipped to deal with.

The war on Libya lasted until the UK and France ran out of cruise missiles.  :doge
The time that you could win a war by physically marching your troops into someone elses capitol is over.
And no one wants to deal with the shit in the conquered country anyway as they have their own shit to deal with already.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: OnlyRegret on November 22, 2019, 02:16:31 PM
enlist in the internet corps today :salute
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Mandark on November 22, 2019, 02:23:17 PM
We had a real life example of the deterrent power of US troop presence (and the commitment it represents) just one month ago, when Turkey moved against the Kurds only after American withdrawal.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Raist on November 22, 2019, 03:13:02 PM
https://thebrexitparty.com/?fbclid=IwAR2aMEeVMyG92XKtdYCEWDPPu0bEZ0Jfmmh09CDaIzwXb4AXnoFUPAk5f0E

Quote
So perhaps it was no surprise when we noticed he forgot to buy the website for The Brexit Party - his shiny new political party ego vehicle.

So we snapped up thebrexitparty.com.

Scroll forward a few months and we just received an 8-page legal letter from his corporate lawyers Wedlake Bell coming after us for copyright and intellectual property infringement. And guess what? Farage is using European law to attack us

:rofl
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on November 22, 2019, 05:14:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po2sLf2AKzo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on November 22, 2019, 10:12:09 PM
https://twitter.com/telesurenglish/status/1198062521359441920

 :pitbull :salute :tocry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 23, 2019, 01:04:50 AM
Quote from: Esch on November 22, 2019, 02:43:44 PM
I've seen a lot of weird fucking people on the internet but Dutch business owner cheerleading American imperialism while also hoping we cut the insane costs required to maintain it in a decent state has gotta be up there.

It's ok, Nintex doesn't understand what he is saying either.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on November 23, 2019, 11:28:40 AM
https://twitter.com/RaniaKhalek/status/1198267717914112000

NATIONALIZE THE BANKS AND KILL THEM
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on November 23, 2019, 11:55:34 AM
https://twitter.com/60Mins/status/1197680666814533632 (https://twitter.com/60Mins/status/1197680666814533632)

 :pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on November 23, 2019, 06:41:10 PM
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1198376289746460672

 :drudge :drudge :drudge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on November 23, 2019, 07:37:12 PM
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1198390941314420736

 :smug
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on November 23, 2019, 08:21:05 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/YLgTVMt.jpg)

 :delicious
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on November 23, 2019, 08:57:32 PM
assy was right about lula!

https://twitter.com/madanboukman/status/1198419516029575168
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Kara on November 23, 2019, 09:44:40 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 22, 2019, 02:23:17 PM
We had a real life example of the deterrent power of US troop presence (and the commitment it represents) just one month ago, when Turkey moved against the Kurds only after American withdrawal.

As best I can tell Nintex is assuming that the "limited" warfare permitted by the current international system is something that will persist in perpetuity and not a confluence of certain variables.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on November 23, 2019, 09:51:39 PM
Erdogan would've rolled in anyway, forcing the US to open fire on a NATO ally or decide not to.
The idea that with US backing the YPG could create some sort of Kurdish state on Turkey's border with Erdogan in power was asinine.

The entire Syria policy on the part of the US/EU has been a disaster on all accounts.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Rufus on November 23, 2019, 09:58:10 PM
Quote from: Nintex on November 23, 2019, 09:51:39 PM
Erdogan would've rolled in anyway, forcing the US to open fire on a NATO ally or decide not to.
Did you feel it in your bum knee, or what?

Quote from: Nintex on November 23, 2019, 09:51:39 PM
The idea that with US backing the YPG could create some sort of Kurdish state on Turkey's border with Erdogan in power was asinine.
Keeping them out of Syria would have been enough, which is what this is actually about.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Kara on November 23, 2019, 10:19:38 PM
The U.S. prohibited the SDF from participating in peace talks but we're supposed to believe there was a credible threat of Rojava statehood forcing epic genius guy Erdogan to do an invasion.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on November 24, 2019, 01:05:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR4LpZj1jg8

 :hmm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: EchoRin on November 24, 2019, 10:39:44 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50511063

Watching football so no I won't pull out quotes.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on November 25, 2019, 01:39:50 PM
https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1199007435844988928 (https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1199007435844988928)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKO2OCTWoAAClQO?format=jpg)

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1198545292280418304 (https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1198545292280418304)

 :dizzy
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Brehvolution on November 25, 2019, 03:38:07 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/mar/28/poverty-increases-among-children-and-pensioners-across-uk
Quote
The number of children and pensioners in absolute poverty increased in 2017-18 as inflation and accommodation costs took a bigger chunk out of household finances, according to figures from the Department for Work and Pensions.

Inequality also jumped in response to rising incomes among the richest workers and the second year of a benefit freeze that hit low-incomes households, the DWP said.

Anti-poverty groups called for government action to reverse the trend, which most analysts believe has worsened since last April. They expect it to worsen further under government policies, with poverty and inequality increasing until the middle of the next decade.

UK electorate: More of that please.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on November 25, 2019, 08:05:00 PM
https://twitter.com/maduro_en/status/1199129720031522817

 :pimp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Raist on November 26, 2019, 12:54:18 AM
Quote from: Esch on November 25, 2019, 07:52:07 PM
Very militant rhetoric from Jeremy. Does not seem Democratic to me :badass

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1199002687834075138


If only somebody had started cracking down on this really hard a while ago.




Oh wait, the EU did.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Ghoul on November 26, 2019, 08:25:12 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50551765?ns_mchannel=social&ns_linkname=news_central&ns_campaign=bbc_politics&ns_source=twitter (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50551765?ns_mchannel=social&ns_linkname=news_central&ns_campaign=bbc_politics&ns_source=twitter)

Teaching kids how great the empire was  :lawd
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on November 26, 2019, 04:53:34 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKU8VHGWoAEy_Pr?format=jpg&name=large)

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 26, 2019, 07:37:23 PM
https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/police-issue-update-latex-clad-3557776
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on November 27, 2019, 11:21:19 AM
https://twitter.com/SputnikInt/status/1199721599974461440

 :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Occam on November 27, 2019, 02:31:41 PM
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/sputnik-news/

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE

Detailed Report

Reasoning: Russian Propaganda, Conspiracy, Poor Sourcing, Some Fake News
Country: Russia
World Press Freedom Rank: Russia 148/180

History

Sputnik is a Russian news agency and radio broadcaster which publishes online stories and radio shows, as well as videos. In 2013, via a presidential decree by Vladimir Putin, the radio station Voice of Russia and RIA Novosti news service was abolished and replaced by Rossiya Segodnya (Russia Today, not to be confused with RT). In 2014, Rossiya Segodnya (Russia Today) launched Sputnik and conservative news anchor, Dmitry Kiselyov was appointed as Director General of Rossiya Segodnya. Kiselyov is known for ultra conservative views and anti-gay comments.

According to their about page, Sputnik describes itself as “The agency covers global political and economic news targeting an international audience.” Sputnik is based in Moscow.

Funded by / Ownership

Sputnik is owned and funded by the Russian Government to promote Russia’s image abroad. The Sputnik news service produces over 1,500 news items daily and around the clock that are available to subscribers via the web terminal and mobile app. The website also serves online advertising.

Analysis / Bias

Sputnik is often accused of reporting ‘fake news, spreading misinformation and being a “Kremlin Propaganda Machine” by European and American media outlets. In 2017, the FBI launched an investigation into Sputnik for a potential violation of the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA).
[...]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on November 27, 2019, 03:14:55 PM
our news orgs are owned by our real government too  :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Rufus on November 27, 2019, 03:21:03 PM
 :cat
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 27, 2019, 06:37:12 PM
 :cat
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: benjipwns on November 27, 2019, 06:38:54 PM
Quote
LONDON — Boris Johnson is on course to win a 68-seat majority in the U.K. general election, according to a major new poll.

The YouGov seat prediction survey — which accurately predicted that Theresa May would lose her majority in 2017 — said the Tories would win 359 seats (up 42) with Labour dropping to 211 (down 51) if the election were held tomorrow.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Occam on November 27, 2019, 06:42:00 PM
Thanks, Jeremy! Brexit, here we come.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: BisMarckie on November 27, 2019, 06:42:46 PM
Not gonna lie, Labour getting BTFO even after the whole Brexit disaster and countless Johnson blunders is still funny to me.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Occam on November 27, 2019, 06:46:20 PM
I would love to know what the outcome would have been if Corbyn had campaigned on cancelling brexit if elected.
It couldn't have been worse.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on November 27, 2019, 07:06:27 PM
The two campaigns couldn't be more different.

Corbyn books interviews to get hit by difficult questions from journalists about tax hikes and anti-semitic comments
https://twitter.com/SunPolitics/status/1199483222561705984 (https://twitter.com/SunPolitics/status/1199483222561705984)

Meanwhile Boris shows up 'wherever' bumbling and stumbling around and failing to do whatever he set out to do for his photo op
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1199780448056041472 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1199780448056041472)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on November 28, 2019, 01:34:06 AM
https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1199808681568821256

 :dobbs
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on November 28, 2019, 03:15:30 AM
https://twitter.com/ChineseEmbinUS/status/1199880001807683585

 :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on November 28, 2019, 04:03:16 AM
https://twitter.com/liamstone_19/status/1199799259534544896

deep state trying to create chinese isis in hong kong  :oreilly
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on November 28, 2019, 01:28:46 PM
LMAO Boris literally send his dad to substitute him in a TV debate  :lol
https://twitter.com/bendepear/status/1200116865894363136 (https://twitter.com/bendepear/status/1200116865894363136)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on November 28, 2019, 02:36:30 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKelPBDWoAERpKx?format=jpg)

 :neo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: OnlyRegret on November 28, 2019, 03:44:28 PM
(https://i.redd.it/ji5fi4h2mb141.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Occam on November 28, 2019, 03:47:46 PM
That's pretty decent of them.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on November 28, 2019, 04:10:10 PM
https://twitter.com/Granma_English/status/1200156757718446089

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on November 28, 2019, 11:50:53 PM
https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1200197839441276930

 :pacspit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on November 29, 2019, 12:50:39 AM
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1200288277443428352

 :boring
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on November 29, 2019, 03:08:15 PM
https://twitter.com/zlj517/status/1200504907503030273

 :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on November 29, 2019, 03:35:00 PM
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1200425186950033409

https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1200427385159589893

https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1200428828943884291

macron annihilated  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on November 29, 2019, 05:58:29 PM
Russian Duma: "IF we dropped a nuke 5 feet from Erdogans palace we could probably create an artificial flood and retake Constantinople without taking a shot comrades"

Macron: "NATO is braindead"

(https://gdb.rferl.org/FD981608-FFDC-4BCE-BDED-ECEB1BEC8E5F_cx0_cy7_cw0_w1023_r1_s.jpg)

(https://legacy.gscdn.nl/archives/images/trumpitucons.jpg)

Erdogan would be smart to remember that most European leaders hate him more than they hate Putin.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Raist on November 30, 2019, 12:40:04 AM
Nothing like going for a coffee and smoke break, only to be told that no one is allowed out of the building because "there's a shooting on London Bridge".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/c9ydw1lqjxrt/london-bridge-attack


I'm fine btw, thanks for asking you jerks :hmph


Quick summary:

- piece of shit starts stabbing people (2 dead, 3 injured). Starts at (or just outside, not clear) the Fishmonger's Hall on the North side of London Bridge.

- random people start kicking the shit out of him. That includes someone using a fire extinguisher, a guy convicted for murder who was on day release, and someone who grabbed a fucking narwhal tusk from a wall at Fishmonger's Hall (I'm not joking).

- cops arrive within 5 mins, get the civilians out of here. They end up shooting the guy as he revealed he had a bomb vest/belt (which turned out to be fake).

As a reminder, London Bridge was where, in summer 2017, a group of pieces of shit went around slashing people with machetes.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: OnlyRegret on November 30, 2019, 12:43:09 AM
You had a chance, and you blew it hard

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://i2-prod.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article9662240.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/page.jpg)
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Raist on November 30, 2019, 12:51:12 AM
Here's Fire Extinguisher-Man and Narwhal Tusk-Man.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKkqtfpW4AABmkl?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 30, 2019, 01:19:07 AM
Quote from: Raist on November 30, 2019, 12:51:12 AM
Here's Fire Extinguisher-Man and Narwhal Tusk-Man.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKkqtfpW4AABmkl?format=jpg&name=small)

Not all heroes wear capes. :salute
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on November 30, 2019, 06:39:01 AM
https://twitter.com/CLPOfChina/status/1200436931563122688 (https://twitter.com/CLPOfChina/status/1200436931563122688)

People rising up in mainland china as well.
Time to send in the Hoff and end the Chinacom charade  8)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Raist on November 30, 2019, 09:17:27 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 30, 2019, 01:19:07 AM
Quote from: Raist on November 30, 2019, 12:51:12 AM
Here's Fire Extinguisher-Man and Narwhal Tusk-Man.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKkqtfpW4AABmkl?format=jpg&name=small)

Not all heroes wear capes. :salute


Turns out, in yet another example of "get fucked you brexiteer morons", Narwhal Tusk-Man is a Polish immigrant.


edit:

This is glorious

https://twitter.com/mrdanwalker/status/1200690348625944577
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on November 30, 2019, 12:46:33 PM
Looks like bumbling about like an idiot might not work for Boris this time.  :doge
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1200824832042164225 (https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1200824832042164225)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on November 30, 2019, 10:58:59 PM
https://twitter.com/Garou_Hidalgo/status/1200585160330301440
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Raist on December 01, 2019, 08:34:46 AM
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1201094408969441280
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Occam on December 01, 2019, 04:53:54 PM
Quote from: filler on November 30, 2019, 10:58:59 PM
https://twitter.com/Garou_Hidalgo/status/1200585160330301440

Hilarious. Why do *you* keep falling for obvious propaganda (which this is)?
As someone accurately posted below that tweet, this is quite reminiscent of the Nazi propaganda movie about Theresienstadt concentration camp from 1944, which the Nazis made to show how well they were treating Jews.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theresienstadt_(1944_film)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on December 01, 2019, 05:30:39 PM
 :bow :chinacry :bow2

doesn't count if they're brown people anyway  ::) but if they're white europeans, then it's the worst tragedy in the history of the universe and we must never forget for all time!  ;)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 01, 2019, 05:35:37 PM
Quote from: filler on November 30, 2019, 10:58:59 PM
https://twitter.com/Garou_Hidalgo/status/1200585160330301440
Happy or not this does not change the fact that the people are locked up against their will being 're-educated'
If anything it simply confirms what has been reported about China incarcerating large numbers of innocent people who will soon yearn for their freedom and the Hoff. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 01, 2019, 06:13:43 PM
https://twitter.com/MonarchyUK/status/1201273537706770432 (https://twitter.com/MonarchyUK/status/1201273537706770432)

gibbo was wrong

 :nsfw
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKvJapJWoAADT4b?format=jpg&name=large (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKvJapJWoAADT4b?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on December 02, 2019, 10:47:32 PM
https://twitter.com/camilateleSUR/status/1201690592465629184

 :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: jorma on December 03, 2019, 11:50:16 AM
Quote from: Esch on December 03, 2019, 10:47:23 AM
The collapse of european social democracy is going to be so devastating

https://twitter.com/ioanmarcjones/status/1201842545724145664

that was... not exactly my first thought after watching this clip



Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on December 03, 2019, 12:40:05 PM
https://twitter.com/ml_1maria/status/1201808616686280706

 :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 03, 2019, 12:42:02 PM
Quote from: Occam on December 01, 2019, 04:53:54 PM
Quote from: filler on November 30, 2019, 10:58:59 PM
https://twitter.com/Garou_Hidalgo/status/1200585160330301440

Hilarious. Why do *you* keep falling for obvious propaganda (which this is)?
As someone accurately posted below that tweet, this is quite reminiscent of the Nazi propaganda movie about Theresienstadt concentration camp from 1944, which the Nazis made to show how well they were treating Jews.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theresienstadt_(1944_film)

filler believes those too
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Brehvolution on December 03, 2019, 01:17:39 PM
This is a fascinating thread of how UK media reports on Corbyn. Most by the same author.
https://twitter.com/Millar_Colin/status/1201581431371247616
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: kingv on December 03, 2019, 02:02:53 PM
Billionaire finally got her. Rip Kamala!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 03, 2019, 02:11:03 PM
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1201914106598563841 (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1201914106598563841)

LMAAOOOO  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 03, 2019, 02:20:55 PM
Quote from: Brehvolution on December 03, 2019, 01:17:39 PM
This is a fascinating thread of how UK media reports on Corbyn. Most by the same author.
https://twitter.com/Millar_Colin/status/1201581431371247616

Not to say corbers hasn’t been smeared to fuck and tbh as a labour voter he should’ve stepped down because he’s never gonna win office, but his main supporters coming off as a weird cult doesn’t help matters either.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: OnlyRegret on December 03, 2019, 03:01:07 PM
Quote from: Occam on December 01, 2019, 04:53:54 PM
Quote from: filler on November 30, 2019, 10:58:59 PM
https://twitter.com/Garou_Hidalgo/status/1200585160330301440

Hilarious. Why do *you* keep falling for obvious propaganda (which this is)?
As someone accurately posted below that tweet, this is quite reminiscent of the Nazi propaganda movie about Theresienstadt concentration camp from 1944, which the Nazis made to show how well they were treating Jews.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theresienstadt_(1944_film)

Some people are critical of the US.
Some really go as far to side with any position opposite the the US to be the ultimate contrarians. See: China bootgaggers that call others bootlickers. 

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 03, 2019, 03:32:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRHFc9dtSWU

hahaha andrew, you sweating blob piece of shit  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: VomKriege on December 03, 2019, 05:32:48 PM
Massive transport strike in France the 5th to protest the pension system reforms.

https://twitter.com/pierrick_lvn/status/1201780936955846657
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 03, 2019, 05:52:09 PM
*France votes pro-EU*
*government starts implementing EU wide economic policies based on unfeasible debt regulations"

France:  :maf :maf :maf :maf

France's last annual budget surplus was in 1974.
You're just being prepared for when Germany is going to set EU economy policy to sort this mess out.

That has always been Europe's 'grand bargain'.
- Paris gets to share their debt with other EU members
- Berlin gets control of France's budget in the EU super state
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Raist on December 04, 2019, 01:35:39 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on December 03, 2019, 05:32:48 PM
Massive transport strike in France the 5th to protest the pension system reforms.




Happy Rentre Avec Tes Pieds day, my dude.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Crash Dummy on December 04, 2019, 09:54:38 AM
Modi is irl version of arsehole Gandhi in civ games
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 04, 2019, 02:04:31 PM
Quote from: Esch on December 03, 2019, 08:35:36 PM
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/netanyahu-absolves-hitler-of-guilt-1.5411578

:holeup

Never read this before.
Hitler killed them because Mckinsey consultants told the Nazi's they could save quite a bit of money by not shipping them off to Madagascar.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: OnlyRegret on December 04, 2019, 02:05:57 PM
Quote
Mohammed Amin al-Husseini was a Palestinian Arab nationalist and Muslim leader in Mandatory Palestine

Ah, that explains things.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 04, 2019, 03:22:20 PM
al-Husseini was an asshole and applauded the genocide of the jews.
But he was merely a pawn and not at all part of the Oberkommando der Wehrmacht, SS or any other decision making body.

Bibi's claim is rated 5 Pinocchio's dicks

Alas the controversial German painter turned Chancellor died in a firearms discharge accident decades ago according to the Washington Post so sadly we can't get a confirmation or denial directly from the source.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: OnlyRegret on December 04, 2019, 05:03:04 PM
Of course, the point is that I see why he'd prop up Hitler of all people to take a dig at this guy
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: benjipwns on December 04, 2019, 11:28:24 PM
Quote from: https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Rivlin-will-consider-pardon-if-Netanyahu-resigns-confesses-report-609903
President Reuven Rivlin will consider pardoning Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in exchange for the PM retiring from political life and confessing to the crimes of which he is accused, Channel 12 reported Wednesday night.

According to the report, Netanyahu has not yet responded to the idea that is being floated by a variety of third parties, though in the past he rejected any talk of a plea bargain or pardon.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: OnlyRegret on December 05, 2019, 02:57:50 PM
https://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/1200888864442896385
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: OnlyRegret on December 05, 2019, 02:59:37 PM
Apparently the killer was convicted for plotting to blow up a stock exchange but released because reasons

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/12/01/london-bridge-attacker-poster-boy-rehab-scheme-targeted/

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Raist on December 05, 2019, 04:31:41 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/D6l8fu1.gif)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOnNNcsJrkQ
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 05, 2019, 05:39:02 PM
Boris is dodging an itv interview he was meant to do tomorrow night too  :badass
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 05, 2019, 06:13:44 PM
That's actually the smart move for the Tories so close to the election.
Hide Boris somewhere in the country side and don't give him access to pho...

https://twitter.com/business/status/1202622298156675073 (https://twitter.com/business/status/1202622298156675073)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on December 06, 2019, 02:28:42 AM
https://twitter.com/drbairdonline/status/1080967346385108992

 :pacspit :pacspit :pacspit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Occam on December 06, 2019, 07:56:28 AM
If those were neutron bombs, the electromagnetic pulse (EMP) generated by them would have disrupted or even destroyed the cellphones used to record the video (from relatively close proximity*!) the moment the bombs exploded, because the EMP travels at the speed of light (300,000km/s).

The more you know.

*One of the videos appears to be shot from ~2km away based on the speed of sound (~340m/s)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 06, 2019, 09:39:28 AM
Hard-hitting journalism from the same outlet that claims 9/11 was done by Israel and the holocaust was a hoax. Also some Sandy Hook trutherism, but that's slightly less relevant to that particular article.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 06, 2019, 11:17:16 AM
https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/business/canadian-economy-posts-biggest-monthly-job-loss-since-financial-crisis-1.4718213

Quote
Statistics Canada said Friday the economy lost 71,200 jobs last month and the unemployment rate rose four-tenths of a percentage point to 5.9 per cent to its highest point since August 2018 when it hit six per cent.

Economists on average had expected a gain of 10,000 jobs and the unemployment rate to hold steady at 5.5 per cent
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: kingv on December 06, 2019, 12:27:41 PM
Quote from: Occam on December 06, 2019, 07:56:28 AM
If those were neutron bombs, the electromagnetic pulse (EMP) generated by them would have disrupted or even destroyed the cellphones used to record the video (from relatively close proximity*!) the moment the bombs exploded, because the EMP travels at the speed of light (300,000km/s).

The more you know.

*One of the videos appears to be shot from ~2km away based on the speed of sound (~340m/s)

Yes, people within that radius would mostly all be sick from radiation poisoning, unless maybe there were in a basement.

Also, the flash probably would have blinded the camera man.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 06, 2019, 01:47:21 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on December 06, 2019, 11:17:16 AM
https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/business/canadian-economy-posts-biggest-monthly-job-loss-since-financial-crisis-1.4718213

Quote
Statistics Canada said Friday the economy lost 71,200 jobs last month and the unemployment rate rose four-tenths of a percentage point to 5.9 per cent to its highest point since August 2018 when it hit six per cent.

Economists on average had expected a gain of 10,000 jobs and the unemployment rate to hold steady at 5.5 per cent

Ah yes economists. About as reliable as the weatherman.  :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on December 06, 2019, 02:34:22 PM
Quote from: Nintex on December 06, 2019, 01:47:21 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on December 06, 2019, 11:17:16 AM
https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/business/canadian-economy-posts-biggest-monthly-job-loss-since-financial-crisis-1.4718213

Quote
Statistics Canada said Friday the economy lost 71,200 jobs last month and the unemployment rate rose four-tenths of a percentage point to 5.9 per cent to its highest point since August 2018 when it hit six per cent.

Economists on average had expected a gain of 10,000 jobs and the unemployment rate to hold steady at 5.5 per cent

Ah yes economists. About as reliable as the weatherman.  :trumps
(https://i.imgur.com/kR8VeZM.jpg) ;)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Brehvolution on December 06, 2019, 02:44:59 PM
Then reagan spent a trillion dollars more than the government took in. He smiled as he looked out from a White House window and called it fiscal conservatism.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 06, 2019, 03:12:20 PM
"Oven ready completely fantastic [inaudible]"
https://twitter.com/peterjukes/status/1203038673224294407 (https://twitter.com/peterjukes/status/1203038673224294407)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on December 06, 2019, 03:29:09 PM
Quote from: Occam on December 01, 2019, 04:53:54 PM
Quote from: filler on November 30, 2019, 10:58:59 PM
https://twitter.com/Garou_Hidalgo/status/1200585160330301440

Hilarious. Why do *you* keep falling for obvious propaganda (which this is)?
As someone accurately posted below that tweet, this is quite reminiscent of the Nazi propaganda movie about Theresienstadt concentration camp from 1944, which the Nazis made to show how well they were treating Jews.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theresienstadt_(1944_film)
https://twitter.com/catcontentonly/status/1203046732424187905

 :gurl
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on December 06, 2019, 03:47:44 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/0XaImFx.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 06, 2019, 07:10:33 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1203066077426532352 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1203066077426532352)

After the debate people considered Boris the most 'prime ministerial', 'likable' and 'the winner' of the debate and more people supported his plan for Brexit.
Corbyn was considered more 'trustworthy'.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: curly on December 06, 2019, 07:33:43 PM
Quote from: filler on December 06, 2019, 03:29:09 PM
:gurl

wow thanks for sharing this super informative and revealing exchange between three random dipshits on twitter
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on December 06, 2019, 07:43:10 PM
https://twitter.com/catcontentonly/status/1203047318146170881
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 07, 2019, 06:10:15 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELN1oMGWsAEjUit?format=jpg)

Breaking: "Jeremy Corbyn still hates *checks notes* the jews"
Also breaking: "Ha ha ha, look at this fella clowning about with Santa Clause talking about a new Baby Boom you dirty scallywags you! who wouldn't want him to be Prime Minster eh? Nudge Nudge" 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on December 07, 2019, 06:13:06 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcsEYRt_jGY

 :pimp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 08, 2019, 07:27:31 AM
Labour Leave Vote -> Brexit Party -> Tories
https://twitter.com/zatzi/status/1203627539484336128 (https://twitter.com/zatzi/status/1203627539484336128)

Thanks for playing Nigel

https://twitter.com/RidgeOnSunday/status/1203629799064965120 (https://twitter.com/RidgeOnSunday/status/1203629799064965120)

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: OnlyRegret on December 08, 2019, 05:31:00 PM
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/ap-exclusive-629-pakistani-girls-sold-brides-china-67561510
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on December 08, 2019, 09:46:26 PM
https://twitter.com/CGTNOfficial/status/1203091750635462656


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: VomKriege on December 09, 2019, 03:36:44 AM
Quote from: Raist on December 04, 2019, 01:35:39 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on December 03, 2019, 05:32:48 PM
Massive transport strike in France the 5th to protest the pension system reforms.




Happy Rentre Avec Tes Pieds day, my dude.

A lot of that with a dash of rain yeah  :goty
Hopefully this doesn't extend into next week because I have to work some really non 9 to 5 shifts.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: OnlyRegret on December 09, 2019, 04:14:23 PM
Quote
Alberta's unemployment rate among young men has nearly doubled over the past seven months, in an unprecedented spike that has pushed their joblessness rate to a level not since the early 1980s.

In April, roughly one in 10 young men in Alberta was unemployed.

By November, it had surged to one in five.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/men-male-youth-unemployment-jobs-alberta-1.5389303
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 09, 2019, 05:27:41 PM
Watch this man end his career in 2 minutes  :anhuld

https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1204018593656180736 (https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1204018593656180736)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: OnlyRegret on December 09, 2019, 08:56:02 PM
more on alberta

-tax cuts for corporations
-understaffed health services and education getting cuts to balance budget
-only province without a sales tax, good luck getting one to balance budgets since a past premier set it up so you need a referendum to get one going, found this out just now

this province is screwed lol  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 10, 2019, 02:11:59 PM
The final stretch

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1204433690735955968 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1204433690735955968)

https://twitter.com/JohnJCrace/status/1204414596557049863 (https://twitter.com/JohnJCrace/status/1204414596557049863)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 10, 2019, 04:29:18 PM
Of course there is

https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1204415016994164736 (https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1204415016994164736)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Occam on December 11, 2019, 07:00:45 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/ng-interactive/2019/dec/10/the-guardian-view-on-general-election-2019-a-fleeting-chance-to-stop-boris-johnson-in-his-tracks

Too little, too late?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 11, 2019, 07:06:43 AM
Boris apparently hid in a fridge to avoid being interviewed today  :doge

Shits so fucked that he’s almost certain to win the election when at any other time in history he wouldn’t have a prayer with the nonsense he’s pulled in the last few weeks  :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 11, 2019, 07:24:24 AM
Quote
During a live broadcast on ITV's Good Morning Britain, an aide to Boris Johnson seemingly mouthed 'oh for fuck's sake' when approached by a reporter.

Jonathan Swain pressed the prime minister on whether he would appear on the programme, prompting him to retreat into a walk-in fridge to avoid further questions

https://twitter.com/AyoCaesar/status/1204717212428328960 (https://twitter.com/AyoCaesar/status/1204717212428328960)
 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on December 11, 2019, 02:36:42 PM
https://twitter.com/lahistoriaec/status/1204496358637473792

 :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 11, 2019, 04:36:12 PM
https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1204868699808784387 (https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1204868699808784387)

Stumbling Boris has stumbled so much that he has brought down a 10 point lead to a possible hung parliament in less than a week.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 11, 2019, 07:17:56 PM
I really do not understand the UK.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 11, 2019, 07:24:52 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on December 11, 2019, 07:17:56 PM
I really do not understand the UK.
It's quite easy to understand the current standings. The Libdems and Labour are preventing one another from reaching a majority.
Now at the end of the campaign they've moved on to promote 'tactical voting' but the messaging is rather confusing.

"We probably lost this but if you hold your nose and vote for someone you hate you might prevent a Tory win".
Which is not exactly motivating people to go to the polls.

Plus the Libdems supported austerity in a coalition with the Tories and that stench is still around them, so the likely outcome of Libdem doing well would be another Tory/Libdem coalition.
The Libdems even went as far as to defend their austerity measures while Boris distanced himself from those policies.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on December 11, 2019, 09:38:16 PM
tiki torch is back  :o
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: kingv on December 11, 2019, 11:38:02 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on December 11, 2019, 07:17:56 PM
I really do not understand the UK.

Yep, every day, I’m like “it could be worse, I could live in the Uk”
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Occam on December 12, 2019, 02:41:52 AM
According to the Guardian's poll tracker:
Labour + Lib Dems + Greens = 49
Tories + Brexit Party = 46

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2019/dec/11/election-opinion-polls-uk-2019-latest-poll-tracker-tories-labour
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on December 12, 2019, 02:52:23 AM
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1205031081763844096

 :ohhh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Ghoul on December 12, 2019, 07:28:24 AM
Corbyn just click baiting hard now, but least he's trying to get people to vote.

Although make that 1% misleading adverts for Labour, vs the 88% for conservatives.

Voting this evening, then to a bar!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: kingv on December 12, 2019, 01:28:08 PM
Quote from: Occam on December 12, 2019, 02:41:52 AM
According to the Guardian's poll tracker:
Labour + Lib Dems + Greens = 49
Tories + Brexit Party = 46

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2019/dec/11/election-opinion-polls-uk-2019-latest-poll-tracker-tories-labour

Toured + Brexit + LibDem though?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Occam on December 12, 2019, 01:30:45 PM
Lib Dems are super anti-brexit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 12, 2019, 02:14:36 PM
They’re also super anti Corbyn, in normal circumstances you’d expect them to go with the tories if it came to it
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Occam on December 12, 2019, 03:20:55 PM
These hardly are normal circumstances.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 12, 2019, 03:28:43 PM
for sure, but these are wild times and who knows what a whiff of power will do to folx
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 12, 2019, 03:30:26 PM
Quote from: filler on December 12, 2019, 02:52:23 AM
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1205031081763844096

 :ohhh

Corbyn nudes?  :jeanluc
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 12, 2019, 04:10:51 PM
https://twitter.com/MercedesGlobal/status/1205168122325544961

what a schmuck
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: agrajag on December 12, 2019, 05:07:50 PM
Tories projected a major win with an 86 seat majority.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: thisismyusername on December 12, 2019, 05:22:26 PM
Quote from: agrajag on December 12, 2019, 05:07:50 PM
Tories projected a major win with an 86 seat majority.

Welp, since the Brits have seen their Brexit shadow and that means six more years of Brexit exit drama: Guess we're getting Trump for another 4. :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Occam on December 12, 2019, 05:34:47 PM
If this turns out to be close to the final result, Brexit is a go.

(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/e11bd53b5615f359d5e6a24d8255dbacdbf4a865/0_96_3500_2100/master/3500.jpg?width=620&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=98507303af33a4dca16ca4bc3be1bc4b)

(Parliament has 650 seats total.)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: OnlyRegret on December 12, 2019, 05:38:20 PM
Quote from: agrajag on December 12, 2019, 05:07:50 PM
Tories projected a major win with an 86 seat majority.

Why bother with these polls since they tend to be so useless.
Cons dropped hard? Sike!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: OnlyRegret on December 12, 2019, 05:39:22 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on December 12, 2019, 04:10:51 PM
https://twitter.com/MercedesGlobal/status/1205168122325544961

what a schmuck

lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Occam on December 12, 2019, 05:40:00 PM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on December 12, 2019, 05:38:20 PM
Quote from: agrajag on December 12, 2019, 05:07:50 PM
Tories projected a major win with an 86 seat majority.

Why bother with these polls since they tend to be so useless.
Cons dropped hard? Sike!

The polls actually didn't show them drop, they showed Labour rise. Have a look at the link I posted earlier.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on December 12, 2019, 05:40:31 PM
Well, I should listen to my girlfriend and not check the twitter or forum thread.

Genuinely at this point, seeing my own mother's racism and that she said she even want to sacrifice the NHS so the 'pakis and immigrants' can't use it, as well as watching my loved ones and friends who may suffer even more under a Tory government, I wish i just have the balls to commit suicide.

I'm half Pakistani, I'm an ex Muslim, I work in an extremely volatile industry where under the tories, things might change for the worse with less regulation if the tories had their way.

I'm so scared and frighten. But unfortunately life goes on and it's back to survival mode for the next five years.

My only hope at this point is the TGA trailers not being disappointing.

That and my girlfriend keeping me sane.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://www.resetera.com/threads/uk-general-election-2019-polls-open-today-7am-10pm-get-out-and-vote.158714/page-13#post-27324611
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: OnlyRegret on December 12, 2019, 05:44:28 PM
Quote from: Skullfuckers Anonymous on December 12, 2019, 05:40:31 PM

I'm so scared and frighten. But unfortunately life goes on and it's back to survival mode for the next five years.

My only hope at this point is the TGA trailers not being disappointing.

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 12, 2019, 06:13:06 PM
LMAO Corbyn wrecked what the hell.

Boris fucking did it. Holy shit. The stumbling mess of an idiot might have pulled off the biggest electoral win for the Tories since 1970  :mynicca
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 12, 2019, 06:56:56 PM
https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1205252534736171010 (https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1205252534736171010)
Litmas

Conservatives won a seat that has never voted anyone but Labour in its existence.  :doge

The Labour party has perished, it has ceased to exist
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 12, 2019, 07:12:34 PM
At least all my grandparents had the good grace to die before they had the chance to vote against my best interests  :pimp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 12, 2019, 07:42:10 PM
Blair's former seat
https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1205284037209788416 (https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1205284037209788416)

Kinda strange considering the youth turnout hoopla posts earlier today. I guess the youth broke for the Tories too  :lol

The only thing that is keeping Labour from losing even more seats is the Conservative vote split with the Brexit party. In some cases Brexit + Con > Labour vote.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: kingv on December 12, 2019, 07:43:45 PM
Quote from: Skullfuckers Anonymous on December 12, 2019, 05:40:31 PM
Well, I should listen to my girlfriend and not check the twitter or forum thread.

Genuinely at this point, seeing my own mother's racism and that she said she even want to sacrifice the NHS so the 'pakis and immigrants' can't use it, as well as watching my loved ones and friends who may suffer even more under a Tory government, I wish i just have the balls to commit suicide.

I'm half Pakistani, I'm an ex Muslim, I work in an extremely volatile industry where under the tories, things might change for the worse with less regulation if the tories had their way.

I'm so scared and frighten. But unfortunately life goes on and it's back to survival mode for the next five years.

My only hope at this point is the TGA trailers not being disappointing.

That and my girlfriend keeping me sane.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://www.resetera.com/threads/uk-general-election-2019-polls-open-today-7am-10pm-get-out-and-vote.158714/page-13#post-27324611
[close]

Tell your mom she liked Pakis enough to take Paki dick and slam the door.

- British Reeees may be even more dramatic than American ones.
- it’s going to be funny when they still can’t get fucking brexit done.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 12, 2019, 07:51:30 PM
https://twitter.com/tezilyas/status/1205270135575109632 (https://twitter.com/tezilyas/status/1205270135575109632)

Ah yes, blame the Libdems for your horrible result. maybe it was ze Russians!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on December 12, 2019, 07:59:02 PM
aren't the libdems just controlled opposition like the do nothing dems in U.S.?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Occam on December 12, 2019, 08:00:22 PM
Corbyn is awful and always has been. His own party couldn't get rid of him even though they tried.
So with his lust for power, Corbyn has now doomed his country.

By the way, this result should not come as a huge surprise; back in October the majority was in favor of Brexit.

To quote my own post from October 17:
"I read today that apparently now 54% of Britons are in favor of Brexit, so please let them have it."
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: BisMarckie on December 12, 2019, 08:07:05 PM
lol labour btfo by bumbling boris :lol

boris is the embodiment of what the edgier kids call clown world and he still wins :jeb
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 12, 2019, 08:11:42 PM
It is just the general trend of the old social democratic parties of Europe collapsing and identity politics and climate driven 'Greens' and green policies not appealing to the working classes.
Corbyn is a symptom not the cause. The cause is the left leaving the middle and working classes chasing an ever smaller voter base.
The conservatives have pretty much given up on ideology in general and are successfully re-branding themselves as the party of the working classes.

Watch the same thing happen in mainland Europe with the EU council going in hard with a 'green deal' the general populace is not excited for.
If I didn't know better I'd think that all those opposition parties and politicians were paid off to keep the conservatives in power or propel anti-EU parties into power.

It really wouldn't have hurt the EU to wait a day or 2 until after the UK election to reveal their Green deal plans.
But those self righteous cunts just put on their blinders while they're being orally pleasured by the mainstream media.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: OnlyRegret on December 12, 2019, 08:54:23 PM
I didn't see people being mad about Corbyn before this election  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on December 12, 2019, 09:12:21 PM
the uk is still full of racist white people? who would have guessed!  ::)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: El Babua on December 12, 2019, 09:23:28 PM
Quote from: Nintex on December 12, 2019, 08:11:42 PM
It is just the general trend of the old social democratic parties of Europe collapsing and identity politics and climate driven 'Greens' and green policies not appealing to the working classes.
Corbyn is a symptom not the cause. The cause is the left leaving the middle and working classes chasing an ever smaller voter base.
The conservatives have pretty much given up on ideology in general and are successfully re-branding themselves as the party of the working classes.

Lmao
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Occam on December 12, 2019, 09:50:11 PM
Looks like it's going to be a dark Friday the 13th for Britain.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on December 12, 2019, 09:53:30 PM
https://twitter.com/JoshuaYJackson/status/1205311741057523712

https://twitter.com/JoshuaYJackson/status/1205317911201476608

 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Tripon on December 12, 2019, 10:53:09 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1205333032762331136
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Raist on December 12, 2019, 10:57:50 PM
So did Nigel Dodds.

The DUP is getting BTFO. SNP is surging.


Goodbye Union Jack :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on December 13, 2019, 12:27:09 AM
the whites hate the browns and blacks so much, they'll strip themselves of good healthcare to avoid sharing it with them  :mueller
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: jorma on December 13, 2019, 02:09:28 AM
Quote from: Esch on December 13, 2019, 12:20:53 AM
Nintex Is Stupid but he's right about the collapse of social democracy. Europeans are going to have to familiarize themselves with things like deductibles :neogaf

Nintex has a point, but you don't. The right wing isn't going to "rebrand themselves as the option for the working class" by removing tax funded healtchare any time soon. Don't be a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

If you didn't know, they are mainly doing it by being "tough on crime and immigration". That's not new, the new thing is the voter base responding to it. Combined with a shrinking number of voters who actually identify as working class, of course. Because the working class jobs are both fewer in numbers, and the people who do these jobs nowadays aren't eligible to vote.


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: OnlyRegret on December 13, 2019, 02:13:52 AM
I don't know if I've ever seen anyone not favourable to tough on crime policies, in the real world. Regardless of other political affiliations.

Poke and prod a bit and they might be uncomfortable with mandatory minimums for drug possession. But whenever a child abuse or the sort case pops up, commentary is usual a unanimous castrate the fucker.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: OnlyRegret on December 13, 2019, 02:16:19 AM
Oh yeah, the provincial Cons here float the idea of privatizing health care, it goes over poorly with basically everyone. Even their (some atleast) ardent supporters.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: jorma on December 13, 2019, 02:26:19 AM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on December 13, 2019, 02:13:52 AM
I don't know if I've ever seen anyone not favourable to tough on crime policies, in the real world. Regardless of other political affiliations.

Poke and prod a bit and they might be uncomfortable with mandatory minimums for drug possession. But whenever a child abuse or the sort case pops up, commentary is usual a unanimous castrate the fucker.

That's true, but the "new" part is where the voter base is abandoning the left because the crime and immigration issues are becoming more important to them. A few decades ago they'd say the same things, but not to the point where they'd vote right wing to get it done.

Quote from: OnlyRegret on December 13, 2019, 02:16:19 AM
Oh yeah, the provincial Cons here float the idea of privatizing health care, it goes over poorly with basically everyone. Even their (some atleast) ardent supporters.

private healthcare options is one thing, and we already have them here, but they are still tax funded and they aren't going to be replaced by insurance based systems anytime soon

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: VomKriege on December 13, 2019, 02:31:46 AM
Ninth day of the French transport strike and no imminent end in sight, with the biggest national moderate union finally joining in (though only on some parts of the reform). Not clear trains will run smoothly for Christmas.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Occam on December 13, 2019, 03:12:38 AM
Again, Corbyn was awful. Instead of running with a clear anti-Brexit message, his strategy since 2016 was to basically sit it out and have the Tories fail. Instead he offered obsolete socialist ideas, which was quite obviously not what voters wanted. For the majority, the choice seemed to boil down to Socialism or Brexit. People don't want socialism, so they chose the lesser evil.
With a modern and more moderate outlook and leadership and the direct promise to cancel Brexit, Labour could have defeated Johnson.
This should be a lesson to America: If the choice is (incorrectly) perceived to be Trump or Socialism, most Americans will go with Trump.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: benjipwns on December 13, 2019, 03:13:26 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on December 13, 2019, 02:31:46 AM
Not clear trains will run smoothly for Christmas.
Good. The trains running on time is textbook fascism.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: OnlyRegret on December 13, 2019, 03:23:05 AM
Quote from: Occam on December 13, 2019, 03:12:38 AM
Again, Corbyn was awful. Instead of running with a clear anti-Brexit message, his strategy since 2016 was to basically sit it out and have the Tories fail. Instead he offered obsolete socialist ideas, which was quite obviously not what voters wanted. For the majority, the choice seemed to boil down to Socialism or Brexit. People don't want socialism, so they chose the lesser evil.
With a modern and more moderate outlook and leadership and the direct promise to cancel Brexit, Labour could have defeated Johnson.
This should be a lesson to America: If the choice is (incorrectly) perceived to be Trump or Socialism, most Americans will go with Trump.

Socialism no longer has a definition insofar as political discourse is concerned. Either it's just Bad and involves things like simultaneously being a Nazi government that is open borders and pro gays. Or it's just Good and is just "capitalism with rules".
Some of these terms just have too much baggage, and this isn't accidental of course. Loading it up with bad associations poisons the topic.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: benjipwns on December 13, 2019, 03:27:49 AM
Quote from: Occam on December 13, 2019, 03:12:38 AM
Again, Corbyn was awful. Instead of running with a clear anti-Brexit message, his strategy since 2016 was to basically sit it out and have the Tories fail. Instead he offered obsolete socialist ideas, which was quite obviously not what voters wanted. For the majority, the choice seemed to boil down to Socialism or Brexit. People don't want socialism, so they chose the lesser evil.
With a modern and more moderate outlook and leadership and the direct promise to cancel Brexit, Labour could have defeated Johnson.
The Leave Parties got 57% of the vote in the EU elections.

The Liberal Democrats are for stopping Brexit in all forms, remaining and against "Socialism" and they got one fewer seat than last time, overall lost ten seats and their leader was the first party leader to not be re-elected in over a century.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: OnlyRegret on December 13, 2019, 03:29:38 AM
Honestly, people need to accept that Brits seem to by the majority be all up for the brexit rollercoaster. Who exactly is to blame for that thing kicking off?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Occam on December 13, 2019, 03:41:46 AM
Rupert Murdoch and Putin, it would seem.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Occam on December 13, 2019, 03:46:10 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on December 13, 2019, 03:27:49 AM
Quote from: Occam on December 13, 2019, 03:12:38 AM
Again, Corbyn was awful. Instead of running with a clear anti-Brexit message, his strategy since 2016 was to basically sit it out and have the Tories fail. Instead he offered obsolete socialist ideas, which was quite obviously not what voters wanted. For the majority, the choice seemed to boil down to Socialism or Brexit. People don't want socialism, so they chose the lesser evil.
With a modern and more moderate outlook and leadership and the direct promise to cancel Brexit, Labour could have defeated Johnson.
The Leave Parties got 57% of the vote in the EU elections.

The Liberal Democrats are for stopping Brexit in all forms, remaining and against "Socialism" and they got one fewer seat than last time, overall lost ten seats and their leader was the first party leader to not be re-elected in over a century.

Lib Dems didn't stand a chance in this election; voters understood that a vote for them was a wasted vote. So it was "Socialism" or Brexit.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 13, 2019, 03:59:22 AM
Their share of the vote went up from 7.4% to 11.5%, their highest mark since 2010. They also got 19.6% and second place in the EU election, their best performance in EU elections ever.

They're the major anti-Brexit Party. Labour never came out against it, Corbyn just said he'd do a referendum on the withdrawal agreement, the party is still for Leave officially.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: NekoFever on December 13, 2019, 05:06:31 AM
Quote from: Raist on December 12, 2019, 10:57:50 PM
So did Nigel Dodds.

The DUP is getting BTFO. SNP is surging.


Goodbye Union Jack :rejoice

Nigel Dodds lost his seat to fucking SINN FEIN. That has to hurt.

Also LOL at his constituency deciding they'd rather not have a Westminster MP than have him.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Ghoul on December 13, 2019, 05:37:20 AM
I knew they'd win, but not like this, absolutely fucked everyone else. My only happiness is Jo and Chuka lost their seats.


Also Scotland about that second ref for your independence

(http://www.gogglebob.com/pics/fgc3/269willie.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: thisismyusername on December 13, 2019, 06:36:50 AM
Quote from: Occam on December 13, 2019, 03:12:38 AM
This should be a lesson to America: If the choice is (incorrectly) perceived to be Trump or Socialism, most Americans will go with Trump.

I think that's obvious to anyone with two working brain-cells (as much as I don't want that to happen).

I honestly don't get the "COMMUNISM BAD" mindset now a days. Nobody sensible is asking for a full communist government where breadlines/etc. happens. But having socialized safety-nets (guaranteed housing, food-on-the-table, healthcare) shouldn't scare folks. This shit is sensible for the lower-classes, especially. But because "socialism" or "communism" is thrown around, folks get all Joe McCarthy "I'M ONLY SIXTEEN A CAPITALIST! I'M ONLY A CAPITALIST!!" toward the idea. Which is pretty... cut your nose to spite your face... when a lot of these folks that vote against it would be the biggest benefits.

People are fucking dumb*. But I don't necessarily think socialized values are the problem. It's educating voters that is.

You're right in (my limited experience of Owen Jones blitzing my Twitter timeline of US liberals during UK hours) the sense that Jeremy did jack-shit. I mean, compared to Bernie (or Warren *retch*) he certainly didn't do anything beyond "oh well, I'm against Brexit!" which is a Hillary move.

*
Probably why I'm a misanthrope
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: kingv on December 13, 2019, 08:05:46 AM
Quote from: thisismyusername on December 13, 2019, 06:36:50 AM
Quote from: Occam on December 13, 2019, 03:12:38 AM
This should be a lesson to America: If the choice is (incorrectly) perceived to be Trump or Socialism, most Americans will go with Trump.

I think that's obvious to anyone with two working brain-cells (as much as I don't want that to happen).

I honestly don't get the "COMMUNISM BAD" mindset now a days. Nobody sensible is asking for a full communist government where breadlines/etc. happens. But having socialized safety-nets (guaranteed housing, food-on-the-table, healthcare) shouldn't scare folks. This shit is sensible for the lower-classes, especially. But because "socialism" or "communism" is thrown around, folks get all Joe McCarthy "I'M ONLY SIXTEEN A CAPITALIST! I'M ONLY A CAPITALIST!!" toward the idea. Which is pretty... cut your nose to spite your face... when a lot of these folks that vote against it would be the biggest benefits.

People are fucking dumb*. But I don't necessarily think socialized values are the problem. It's educating voters that is.

You're right in (my limited experience of Owen Jones blitzing my Twitter timeline of US liberals during UK hours) the sense that Jeremy did jack-shit. I mean, compared to Bernie (or Warren *retch*) he certainly didn't do anything beyond "oh well, I'm against Brexit!" which is a Hillary move.

*
Probably why I'm a misanthrope
[close]

I think the big problem is people are generally just complacent. They don’t care until the shit just hits the fucking fan.

Brexit will be a bad move for the UK economy and standard of living, almost guaranteed, and two years from now people are going to be saying it was a mistake.

Trump will eventually make a move so bad that it has a negative effect on the US economy, or we will naturally hit a downturn and he will handle it like crap and his approval rating will just tank. But until he does, many people just don’t care that much.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Occam on December 13, 2019, 08:49:24 AM
Quote from: thisismyusername on December 13, 2019, 06:36:50 AM
People are fucking dumb*.
*
Probably why I'm a misanthrope
[close]
I try not to be, but it's hard, with stupid people ruining it for the rest of us.
If only there was a way to successfully keep human stupidity in check.

I've said it before, the thing that's actually destroying the western democracies is their unwillingness to defend themselves against lies and stupidity. This weakness has led to Trump and Brexit.
Facts are not a matter of opinion, and not every opinion has equal merit. A democracy cannot survive if untruths are given a platform, are given equal consideration as facts and are allowed to influence public opinion on a large scale. People who spread political lies need to be held accountable. Politicians who lie should be held accountable, and not just by the democratic process itself (elections), because that obviously doesn't work.
Here's an idea: After spreading a certain amount of counterfactual information/propaganda (not merely bad opinions but objective falsehoods), you should be barred from holding public office for a number of years.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: kingv on December 13, 2019, 09:28:45 AM
Quote from: Occam on December 13, 2019, 08:49:24 AM
Quote from: thisismyusername on December 13, 2019, 06:36:50 AM
People are fucking dumb*.
*
Probably why I'm a misanthrope
[close]
I try not to be, but it's hard, with stupid people ruining it for the rest of us.
If only there was a way to successfully keep human stupidity in check.

The left really are Nazis!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Occam on December 13, 2019, 09:57:35 AM
You can't make stupid people smart, you have to find a way to not let them be influenced by lies.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Occam on December 13, 2019, 10:26:44 AM
Shortly before his death in 1955, Einstein said to his companion Johanna Fantova (a former Princeton university librarian):
"The rule of the stupid cannot be overcome because there are so many of them, and their votes count just as much as ours."
That accurately addresses a fundamental problem of democracy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Akala on December 13, 2019, 12:43:50 PM
which was solved totally by the electoral college. 

:morans
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: agrajag on December 13, 2019, 01:14:36 PM
https://twitter.com/JamesDMorris/status/1205252843831283714

maybe the British are just dumb
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Mandark on December 13, 2019, 01:23:02 PM
Quote from: Occam on December 13, 2019, 08:49:24 AM
I try not to be, but it's hard, with stupid people ruining it for the rest of us.

I don't think you're that smart.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: OnlyRegret on December 13, 2019, 02:00:42 PM
democracy  :beli

technocracy of the demigod AIs free of the shackles of mortality and humanity  :aah
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: OnlyRegret on December 13, 2019, 02:07:47 PM
Quote from: thisismyusername on December 13, 2019, 06:36:50 AM
Quote from: Occam on December 13, 2019, 03:12:38 AM
This should be a lesson to America: If the choice is (incorrectly) perceived to be Trump or Socialism, most Americans will go with Trump.

I think that's obvious to anyone with two working brain-cells (as much as I don't want that to happen).

I honestly don't get the "COMMUNISM BAD" mindset now a days. Nobody sensible is asking for a full communist government where breadlines/etc. happens. But having socialized safety-nets (guaranteed housing, food-on-the-table, healthcare) shouldn't scare folks. This shit is sensible for the lower-classes, especially. But because "socialism" or "communism" is thrown around, folks get all Joe McCarthy "I'M ONLY SIXTEEN A CAPITALIST! I'M ONLY A CAPITALIST!!" toward the idea. Which is pretty... cut your nose to spite your face... when a lot of these folks that vote against it would be the biggest benefits.

People are fucking dumb*. But I don't necessarily think socialized values are the problem. It's educating voters that is.

You're right in (my limited experience of Owen Jones blitzing my Twitter timeline of US liberals during UK hours) the sense that Jeremy did jack-shit. I mean, compared to Bernie (or Warren *retch*) he certainly didn't do anything beyond "oh well, I'm against Brexit!" which is a Hillary move.

*
Probably why I'm a misanthrope
[close]

Misleading people has a lot of people's money riding on it. Socialism/Communism are buzzwords for the purpose of political discourse.
It was interesting to see Carlson co-opt certain talking points from the left, avoid attaching it it the left in name and people eat it up. Of course, being a rich, rich man his intent isn't benevolent and his content has
a slant of splitting capitalism into good and bad variants to avoid letting the flock stray. That and he really knows how to speak to the poor conservatives of the States.

Why do you think the GOP goes so hard on abortion? Do you really think they would bat an eye at strongarming a mistress into getting one?
They need it to maintain a hold on their numerous base. Convincing people the Dems are in favour of carrying pregnancies to term in order to kill the newborn is essential for their strategy.

Quote from: Occam on December 13, 2019, 08:49:24 AM
Here's an idea: After spreading a certain amount of counterfactual information/propaganda (not merely bad opinions but objective falsehoods), you should be barred from holding public office for a number of years.

Great idea. So how exactly would you implement your completely objective Ministry of Truths?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 13, 2019, 02:19:12 PM
Quote
Trump will eventually make a move so bad that it has a negative effect on the US economy
Maybe but this scaremongering didn't work. Same as in the UK.

A vocal minority has moved far left in a liberal mostly urban bubble where unsurprisingly most journalists hang around.
But oh no Democracy has ended because people 'voted' for the type of government they prefer between 'a circus' and a  'shit show'?  ???

The left needs a new game plan beyond pandering to the vocal minority, fluffing the same journalists and pretending their policies are all colors and rainbows.

But no Trump and Boris with their magic dicks and Russian lube made a constituency that voted Labour since it was founded turn to the Dark Side of conservatism.
Yes, that must be it. No other explanation possible or else you are probably a Nazi or a Russian puppet!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: thisismyusername on December 13, 2019, 04:45:42 PM
Quote from: Esch on December 13, 2019, 09:37:32 AM
Quote from: thisismyusername on December 13, 2019, 06:36:50 AM
People are fucking dumb*. But I don't necessarily think socialized values are the problem. It's educating voters that is.

When a population has mass reactionary politics I think you should take them at their word and try to understand why instead of wishing that if they were "smarter" they'd see things your way.

Oh, I understand why completely:

Quote from: filler on December 13, 2019, 12:27:09 AM
the whites hate the browns and blacks so much, they'll strip themselves of good healthcare to avoid sharing it with them  :mueller

It's exactly this. You can try to dress it up as something else, but I have had actual British citizens tell me this with a straight-face. "Oh, I don't want immigrants getting nationalized healthcare and breaking away from the EU will stop them from coming in."

"So you're willing to fuck yourself over for the sake of making sure others aren't fucked over by dictators/etc. in other countries?"
"*crickets which means "yes"*"

Again: People are fucking dumb. Why do you think I expect Trump to win a second term? People vote against their own self-interests due to emotions and "gut feeling." You can educate them that things would get better under "these other guys," but if someone (like Trump) reassures them "I got this," they'll vote for that stupid fucker everytime.

https://twitter.com/BWJones/status/1205389704834637824

And you know what? I bet those fucking farmers will still vote for his stupid-ass despite publicly saying they're dissatisfied with him because people are fucking dumb.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 13, 2019, 06:22:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li-aIEzL72k

"And to the man with the stars on his hat I say, Put a sock in your megaphone"

"You voted to be Carbon Neutral by 2050... and Corbyn Neutral by Christmas"

 :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: EchoRin on December 13, 2019, 09:06:28 PM
Quote from: Skullfuckers Anonymous on December 12, 2019, 05:40:31 PM
Well, I should listen to my girlfriend and not check the twitter or forum thread.

Genuinely at this point, seeing my own mother's racism and that she said she even want to sacrifice the NHS so the 'pakis and immigrants' can't use it, as well as watching my loved ones and friends who may suffer even more under a Tory government, I wish i just have the balls to commit suicide.

I'm half Pakistani, I'm an ex Muslim, I work in an extremely volatile industry where under the tories, things might change for the worse with less regulation if the tories had their way.

I'm so scared and frighten. But unfortunately life goes on and it's back to survival mode for the next five years.

My only hope at this point is the TGA trailers not being disappointing.

That and my girlfriend keeping me sane.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://www.resetera.com/threads/uk-general-election-2019-polls-open-today-7am-10pm-get-out-and-vote.158714/page-13#post-27324611
[close]

I just want to give you a hug. Hang in there.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Potato on December 13, 2019, 09:11:31 PM
The Guardian is so good for a laugh. It's come to be my daily dose of comedy.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/13/corbynism-labour-left-party

Basically: "You know that guy we've been relentlessly stanning for so much for the past few years? Yeah, maybe he wasn't such a good candidate."
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: curly on December 13, 2019, 11:06:38 PM
That exact same columnist wrote a piece saying Labour should ditch Corbyn two months ago dude
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Potato on December 14, 2019, 12:18:37 AM
Quote from: curly on December 13, 2019, 11:06:38 PM
That exact same columnist wrote a piece saying Labour should ditch Corbyn two months ago dude
And was still talking up Corbyn's chances of minority government in late November.

The Guardian is a biased shit rag, just as much as the Murdoch press is biased the other way.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: curly on December 14, 2019, 12:46:10 AM
The Guardian has overall been lukewarm to anti-Corbyn since his initial rise
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: OnlyRegret on December 14, 2019, 02:40:31 AM
the guardian?
good place for laughs imo

(https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2018/09/640/320/guardian20brigid20delaney.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Mandark on December 14, 2019, 03:44:22 AM
Quote from: curly on December 14, 2019, 12:46:10 AM
The Guardian has overall been lukewarm to anti-Corbyn since his initial rise

The columnist that Potato said was "relentlessly stanning" for Corbyn mostly wrote pieces criticizing Labour for not being explicitly pro-Remain and Corbyn for not cracking down on antisemitism in the party.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Potato on December 14, 2019, 03:50:41 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 14, 2019, 03:44:22 AM
Quote from: curly on December 14, 2019, 12:46:10 AM
The Guardian has overall been lukewarm to anti-Corbyn since his initial rise

The columnist that Potato said was "relentlessly stanning" for Corbyn mostly wrote pieces criticizing Labour for not being explicitly pro-Remain and Corbyn for not cracking down on antisemitism in the party.
I said the guardian was relentlessly stanning, not the specific columnist
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Mandark on December 14, 2019, 03:52:26 AM
all those pieces he wrote that were critical of corbyn and labour were published by the guardian
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Potato on December 14, 2019, 04:01:33 AM
I particularly love think pieces like this

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/14/labour-meltdown-decades-govern-votes

The ones where they dissect everything that's been wrong with the labour party for decades.

Where was this analysis before the election? If they were being honest and balanced, as they should be as a privileged media organisation, they would have published shit like this before the election.

Instead, shit like the guardian sees itself as the PR arm of the left and political discourse as a whole suffers.

The Murdoch press is the same and that's why people are disillusioned with politics these days. Too many echo chambers and not enough actual analysis of the issues and policies.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Potato on December 14, 2019, 04:04:45 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 14, 2019, 03:52:26 AM
all those pieces he wrote that were critical of corbyn and labour were published by the guardian
Yes, and every single story regarding the Conservatives was negative and alarmist. A few scattered critiques of Labour aside, as a whole, the Guardian is so overwhelmingly left it is comedic.

It's the same with their Australian and US coverage. No one can take them seriously when they wear their allegiance so openly.

In fact, it's even worse in Australia where they lean so far left they basically act as the PR arm of The Greens.


Edit: The Guardian personified
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/uploads/2017/10/09/Zoe-Williams,-L.png?width=300&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=c98c04b3a657f69c62e4a8aeb91b082c)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 14, 2019, 08:13:01 AM
Quote from: Potato on December 14, 2019, 04:01:33 AM
I particularly love think pieces like this

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/14/labour-meltdown-decades-govern-votes

The ones where they dissect everything that's been wrong with the labour party for decades.

Where was this analysis before the election? If they were being honest and balanced, as they should be as a privileged media organisation, they would have published shit like this before the election.

Instead, shit like the guardian sees itself as the PR arm of the left and political discourse as a whole suffers.

The Murdoch press is the same and that's why people are disillusioned with politics these days. Too many echo chambers and not enough actual analysis of the issues and policies.
It was the same with Trump and 2016 or Brexit in general:
"Hillary Clinton has an amazing ground game, Trump can never win, he has no ground game lmao"

Think pieces after T-Day:
"Why the Democrats neglected their ground game and it cost them the election"

Which is why polls 'don't matter', the interpretation and reporting on those polls matters and whatever way you slice it every outlet was drooling at the fact the gap was getting smaller and Corbyn was within striking distance of forcing a hung parliament.
Election day happens and the only thing that kept them from cratering below 200 seats was the Brexit party splitting the conservative vote in a few key leave seats.

In the Netherlands the headline was: "SHOCK ELECTION VICTORY FOR BORIS JOHNSON AND THE CONSERVATIVES" because the public broadcaster had bet heavily on remain.
I think the news media and celebrities need to realize picking a side works against their favorite candidate not in favor.
Because it just amplifies the urban legend that the MSM, liberals/left, hollywood and academia are colluding.

Despite being called a Russian plant for 3 years Donald still manages to fill up stadiums and implement a lot of his agenda.
Cue the surprised faces of the MSM when he wrecks Uncle Joe or the socialist next November after they fail to impeach him.

Everyone knows Murdoch's rags are rubbish as far as insight and analysis is concerned they just pick them up for the page 3 titties, sex scandals, TV and sports schedules.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 14, 2019, 01:06:04 PM
Quote from: Esch on December 14, 2019, 01:02:40 PM
https://twitter.com/osamabishounen/status/1205296715680477185
https://twitter.com/EIPBTGIF/status/1205629250008764416 (https://twitter.com/EIPBTGIF/status/1205629250008764416)

https://twitter.com/JimfromBC/status/1202395115630690304 (https://twitter.com/JimfromBC/status/1202395115630690304)

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on December 14, 2019, 06:11:21 PM
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1205988012934520834

 :drudge

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 14, 2019, 06:32:23 PM
concerns?

Guess the FSB/GRU went soft too.

"The report was falsified in bad faith!"

lmao
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 14, 2019, 07:08:38 PM
https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1205522695984680967 (https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1205522695984680967)

 :juche
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on December 14, 2019, 07:14:04 PM
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1206003435868438528

 :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on December 14, 2019, 07:31:54 PM
https://twitter.com/JoshuaYJackson/status/1205940757405880322

 :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Raist on December 14, 2019, 08:14:33 PM
No more banter with Black Rod and trashing the tories so hard he got a few timeouts :stahp

Dennis pls come back.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on December 14, 2019, 08:14:35 PM
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1205599766140334081

https://twitter.com/ohlI7bI0Omwqp96/status/1205608408436506625

 :dobbs
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on December 14, 2019, 08:25:11 PM
jewmers ;)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: OnlyRegret on December 14, 2019, 08:30:14 PM
okay jews?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Tripon on December 14, 2019, 10:57:40 PM
https://twitter.com/theintercept/status/1205990469953560577

 :miyamoto Tories members right now.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on December 14, 2019, 11:49:14 PM
https://twitter.com/semper_vincit/status/1205969681556787201

 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: benjipwns on December 15, 2019, 02:08:35 AM
Quote from: Nintex on December 14, 2019, 07:08:38 PM
https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1205522695984680967 (https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1205522695984680967)
Quote
'We will make sure that we put them against the wall and they will have to do their job to protect our futures.'
some propaganda by the deed ::)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Potato on December 15, 2019, 06:01:02 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on December 15, 2019, 02:08:35 AM
Quote from: Nintex on December 14, 2019, 07:08:38 PM
https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1205522695984680967 (https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1205522695984680967)
Quote
'We will make sure that we put them against the wall and they will have to do their job to protect our futures.'
some propaganda by the deed ::)
It's always good advice to not read the Daily Mail
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on December 15, 2019, 02:35:10 PM
https://twitter.com/poor_kisan/status/1205808083819257858

help unc get up the stairs, esch!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on December 15, 2019, 05:17:18 PM
https://twitter.com/historic_ly/status/1206037591247724545

 :delicious
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: kingv on December 15, 2019, 08:04:03 PM
Quote from: filler on December 15, 2019, 02:35:10 PM
https://twitter.com/poor_kisan/status/1205808083819257858

help unc get up the stairs, esch!

Mo Deez Nutz in your mouth!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 15, 2019, 09:29:58 PM
Quote from: filler on December 15, 2019, 02:35:10 PM
https://twitter.com/poor_kisan/status/1205808083819257858

help unc get up the stairs, esch!

(https://i.imgur.com/0jJCSxq.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on December 15, 2019, 10:24:28 PM
https://twitter.com/RaniaKhalek/status/1204005428943872000

 :delicious :delicious :delicious :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: zepblackstar on December 16, 2019, 01:21:32 AM
I am enjoying way too much the vloggers like owen jones and ash sarkar getting dunked on over labour getting blown out.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on December 16, 2019, 03:26:27 AM
https://twitter.com/korol_koshek/status/1206278370662768641

 :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 16, 2019, 05:52:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0nIhL4v6bY

he_is_right_you_know.jpg
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Kara on December 17, 2019, 11:19:25 AM
Glen Shinobi Greenwald's 50 minute interview with Evo is up.

https://theintercept.com/2019/12/16/evo-morales-interview-glenn-greenwald/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on December 18, 2019, 03:53:44 PM
https://twitter.com/LeeCamp/status/1207394099348639745

 :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 18, 2019, 03:58:41 PM
https://twitter.com/markcurtis30/status/1207380571330162688 (https://twitter.com/markcurtis30/status/1207380571330162688)\
Palpatine is not the only returning Sith Lord :kobeyuck
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Potato on December 19, 2019, 03:19:49 AM
Quote from: Nintex on December 16, 2019, 05:52:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0nIhL4v6bY

he_is_right_you_know.jpg
I know it's parody, but that is an epic skewering of the UK lefties.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Potato on December 19, 2019, 07:02:46 AM
Brutal

www.smh.com.au/national/the-people-who-lost-the-election-for-british-labour-hate-the-working-class-20191217-p53kq3.html (http://www.smh.com.au/national/the-people-who-lost-the-election-for-british-labour-hate-the-working-class-20191217-p53kq3.html)

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Whenever working-class outsiders complain about how an immigration or economic policy blights their lives the response of the enlightened insiders is to brand them either “racist” or “stupid”.

This is the judgment of those who make or champion enlightened policies but don’t live in the frontline suburbs where they land. It is not their jobs, wages or communities that are asked to endure wrenching change.

It is evident across the Western world that there is now a chasm dividing inner-city internationalists and the working-class nationalists who sustain their lifestyles. Many in wealthy city sanctums are now so disconnected from their sources of food, wealth and energy that they are voting against them or seeking to ban them.

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But Labour was torn between its traditional base and the woke progressive class that had invaded it. That had grown into a legion when the party allowed supporters who paid just Ł3 to vote in leadership ballots.

This crowd came with all the verities of the new age and all their many prejudices. At base they really hate the working class. They hate their jobs, their cars, their sports, their music and their lifestyles.

So Labour chose as leader Jeremy Corbyn, a gold-plated, copper-bottomed, ocean-going Trot from central casting. And the working class really hates Trots. It was a marriage made in hell.

The British election saw an abject rejection of the party of the workers by the workers. It turned out they weren’t suffering regret. They were enraged. Maybe it’s time to try to understand why, because a real workers' revolution is sweeping the globe.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Kara on December 19, 2019, 12:23:15 PM
Labour hates working class sports, that's why there was a bunch of football stuff in their 2019 manifesto.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 19, 2019, 02:55:25 PM
The future working class people want
https://twitter.com/emilyhewertson/status/1207699279025979392 (https://twitter.com/emilyhewertson/status/1207699279025979392)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: curly on December 19, 2019, 03:22:05 PM

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Many in wealthy city sanctums are now so disconnected from their sources of food, wealth and energy

China? Saudi Arabia? Wherever the Brits import their food from?

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At base they really hate the working class. They hate their jobs, their cars, their sports, their music and their lifestyles.

Culture war bullshit
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The British election saw an abject rejection of the party of the workers by the workers. It turned out they weren’t suffering regret. They were enraged. Maybe it’s time to try to understand why, because a real workers' revolution is sweeping the globe.

Oh yeah Boris Johnson and the Tories are the real workers' revolution :popular
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 19, 2019, 03:46:21 PM
Quote from: curly on December 19, 2019, 03:22:05 PM

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Many in wealthy city sanctums are now so disconnected from their sources of food, wealth and energy

China? Saudi Arabia? Wherever the Brits import their food from?

Quote
At base they really hate the working class. They hate their jobs, their cars, their sports, their music and their lifestyles.

Culture war bullshit
Quote
The British election saw an abject rejection of the party of the workers by the workers. It turned out they weren’t suffering regret. They were enraged. Maybe it’s time to try to understand why, because a real workers' revolution is sweeping the globe.

Oh yeah Boris Johnson and the Tories are the real workers' revolution :popular
Excuse me, his excellency Lord Borissimus de Pfeifel Johnson the First, Count of Bellend and Vice Roy of Bumshire is indeed the man of the people  :snob
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Kara on December 19, 2019, 04:23:32 PM
Jeremy Corbyn is a Trot, that's why he writes for / fraternizes with the Morning Star and had Andrew Murray as a confidant.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 19, 2019, 04:38:13 PM
Why is it all these high-profile commies are poshos?  :ohhh

Daddy cut them out of the will? :holeup
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 19, 2019, 07:46:39 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1207626121426063360 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1207626121426063360)

BBC: "Why isn't Jeremy Corbyn happy  ???"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Potato on December 19, 2019, 08:10:07 PM
Modern Labour/left politicians...angry at everyone, including their own supporters...call everyone stupid/racist/bigoted...wonder why they can't connect with working/middle class voters...wonder why they are perpetually in opposition...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 19, 2019, 09:10:30 PM
Lets rememeber how good Hitler was connecting to the working class and how that turned out for them.

Brexit is another example of turkeys voting for Christmas.

Labours fault is not that they are angry at everyone, its that they took Corbyn as leader and didnt position themselves anti brexit and pro workers strong enough and couldn't articulate the benefits of being in the Union. They are a fucking shambles.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 20, 2019, 05:35:32 AM
Quote from: Premium Lager on December 19, 2019, 09:10:30 PM
Lets rememeber how good Hitler was connecting to the working class and how that turned out for them.

Brexit is another example of turkeys voting for Christmas.

Labours fault is not that they are angry at everyone, its that they took Corbyn as leader and didnt position themselves anti brexit and pro workers strong enough and couldn't articulate the benefits of being in the Union. They are a fucking shambles.
Hitler was appointed chancellor by Hindenburg because the old guard of Germany thought he would be an easy controllable puppet for big business, banks and industry.
Capable of doing the dirty work needed to stop a 'real' communist workers revolution in Germany.

Sure, Hitler had support among the working classes but not as much as the reds did at that time. The Nazi's only won that struggle with violence.
If you look at election results prior of Hitler being appointed chancellor his party was actually losing traction, not gaining. To keep their power they had to outright ban and imprison the communists, unions and social democrats.

Comparing the likes of Boris to Hitler completely misses the point and is precisely why the left keeps losing.
You can't point to a doofus like Boris and scream he's a Nazi. No one outside your bubble is going to believe you and it simply isn't true.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Raist on December 20, 2019, 06:00:23 AM
Queen's speech already? But... I thought they needed several weeks to prepare for that... ???
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 20, 2019, 06:05:34 AM
Quote from: Raist on December 20, 2019, 06:00:23 AM
Queen's speech already? But... I thought they needed several weeks to prepare for that... ???
Not when Putin has already written it  :shaking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on December 20, 2019, 06:54:39 PM
https://twitter.com/Dpol_un/status/1208091598116012035

 :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Mandark on December 20, 2019, 11:46:25 PM
Quote from: Potato on December 19, 2019, 08:10:07 PM
Modern Labour/left politicians...angry at everyone, including their own supporters...call everyone stupid/racist/bigoted...wonder why they can't connect with working/middle class voters...wonder why they are perpetually in opposition...

We just had a year of saturation coverage of Corby and Labour's "antisemitism problem."
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: BisMarckie on December 21, 2019, 02:09:42 PM
https://www.pcmag.com/news/372601/russian-president-vladimir-putin-still-uses-windows-xp

 :whatisthis

Putin hacking elections while probably still having Bonzi Buddy installed. :putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on December 21, 2019, 02:40:42 PM
still using windows 7  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 21, 2019, 06:35:07 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on December 21, 2019, 02:09:42 PM
https://www.pcmag.com/news/372601/russian-president-vladimir-putin-still-uses-windows-xp

 :whatisthis

Putin hacking elections while probably still having Bonzi Buddy installed. :putin
I like how there's a dozen Russian 'bots' in the comments pointing out that dear leader is using the not so ancient Windows 7.

And the Americans think those blokes can orchestrate hacking the planet and governments :neogaf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: OnlyRegret on December 22, 2019, 02:04:32 AM
br*tish "people"  :-X

https://twitter.com/Muna_Mire/status/1207725540683079680
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on December 24, 2019, 12:38:40 AM
https://twitter.com/jussarasoares/status/1209286579207966720

 :drudge

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 24, 2019, 10:49:08 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/DailyMirror/status/1209399549569175552

emoticon plz
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 24, 2019, 10:57:06 AM
Quote from: Dickie Dee on December 24, 2019, 10:49:08 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/DailyMirror/status/1209399549569175552

emoticon plz
As a sith?

Quote from: filler on December 24, 2019, 12:38:40 AM
https://twitter.com/jussarasoares/status/1209286579207966720

 :drudge

 :lol
Slipping and falling in the bathroom while being intoxicated is a perfect summary of his presidency so far
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on December 25, 2019, 02:03:53 AM
https://twitter.com/bad_takes/status/1209715512076382210

 :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 27, 2019, 05:39:31 PM
https://twitter.com/AlsBoy/status/1210565301475131393
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: VomKriege on December 28, 2019, 08:07:56 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 27, 2019, 05:39:31 PM
https://twitter.com/AlsBoy/status/1210565301475131393

Looks and soubds like a bit to be honest.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 28, 2019, 09:15:54 AM
YEAH THANKS FOR THAT INFO I ALMOST LAUGHED AT A STAGED BIT PHEW CRISIS AVERTED
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Tripon on December 29, 2019, 10:47:22 AM
https://twitter.com/McKelvie/status/1211307829791010817

https://twitter.com/AlexJayBrady/status/1211308403668246528

https://twitter.com/AlexJayBrady/status/1211308674045685761

Wasn't Brexit supposed to protect the NHS from foreign influence?  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: VomKriege on December 29, 2019, 11:01:52 AM
The public transport (in Paris) and national railways strike against pension reform in France is now longer than the 1995 one.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 29, 2019, 08:16:24 PM
Quote from: Tripon on December 29, 2019, 10:47:22 AM
https://twitter.com/McKelvie/status/1211307829791010817

https://twitter.com/AlexJayBrady/status/1211308403668246528

https://twitter.com/AlexJayBrady/status/1211308674045685761

Wasn't Brexit supposed to protect the NHS from foreign influence?  :doge

Imagine looking at the US healthcare system and saying "Yeah, we need to get in on some of that."
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Raist on December 30, 2019, 03:22:39 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 29, 2019, 08:16:24 PM
Imagine looking at the US healthcare system and saying "Yeah, we need to get in on some of that."

They've done it with universities already. I'm not shocked one bit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Tripon on December 30, 2019, 10:27:39 PM
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Nissan’s former CEO Carlos Ghosn, out on strict bail and due to be tried next year in Japan for alleged financial crimes, has apparently fled the country for his family's native Lebanon, the Wall Street Journal reports.

The auto executive has been arrested, released, and re-arrested multiple times since he was originally detained in November 2018 over allegations of financial wrongdoing during his time as Chairman and CEO of the Nissan-Renault-Mitsubishi Alliance. He was later confined to house arrest, which gave way to a strict form of bail later this year where Ghosn could only leave his apartment while being tailed by three separate police agencies, according to the Financial Times.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/31669/former-nissan-renault-ceo-carlos-ghosn-flees-japan-for-lebanon-report?fbclid=IwAR0vf9-9evZakBN1Ihce9-X2UPnSdY2jFP2xUkc0ZBBJ4ev9CU0DC2lmN8s
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: VomKriege on December 31, 2019, 03:50:22 AM
I guess he didn't like Japan that much. Another weeb. :japancry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on December 31, 2019, 06:29:22 AM
https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1211957277613121537 (https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1211957277613121537)

https://twitter.com/nafisehkBBC/status/1211968656424521729 (https://twitter.com/nafisehkBBC/status/1211968656424521729)

Welp the US embassy is under siege. Marines trapped inside.

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1211984865446580225 (https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1211984865446580225)

https://twitter.com/haynesdeborah/status/1211981102702837765 (https://twitter.com/haynesdeborah/status/1211981102702837765)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: curly on December 31, 2019, 10:14:22 PM
https://twitter.com/SamiRamadani1/status/1212053117010886658
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: shosta on January 01, 2020, 03:52:18 AM
It's been a while since we've seen a major industrial CEO go completely rogue like Ghosn :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on January 01, 2020, 09:22:37 AM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1212372276022333440 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1212372276022333440)

 :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: VomKriege on January 01, 2020, 09:50:55 AM
Quote from: shosta on January 01, 2020, 03:52:18 AM
It's been a while since we've seen a major industrial CEO go completely rogue like Ghosn :lol

To be fair, Japanese legal system appear really strict and borderline Kafkaian. Not to commiserate too much though there's obviously some Byzantine corporate politics (and just straight politics) between Renault and Nissan involved in the sudden outburst of revelations, I don't really doubt he dipped his fingers with some gluttony considering what's been made public. It's not even surprising within the hagiography built around him, abuse of power is the other side of the coin of that narrative of the cosmopolitan outsider who rose to the top on his personal genius who tamed the insular and inflexible Japanese protectionism, a modern day corporate daimyo.

Fleeing to Lebanon is pretty desperate. Maybe that's a way to force official French diplomacy to be a little more forthcoming, there will have to be talks on how to resolve this. But the French state has always been very cautious with the whole thing, certainly doesn't want to give the appearance of meddling into a business matter (it's been a longstanding problem for the Japanese, given how intertwined Renault and the state are... Not that Nissan is exactly virginal in that domain but heh)... And besides it's a little hard to cast aspersions on the Japanese justice legitimacy to investigate those serious accusations.

That will make a good movie, I have no doubt one will be made.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 01, 2020, 04:26:41 PM
(https://i.redd.it/ugvrb45nk2841.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: VomKriege on January 01, 2020, 06:02:01 PM
The usual presidential address for the new year by Macron haven't really done anything to advance the issue of the confrontation over his pension reform package. He said he intended to "carry it to term". So basically the strike will continue as long as the strikers can hold.

I gave a few euros to a marauding union group collecting funds but maybe I'll see if I can make a better contribution to the support fund. It's kind of a pain to have little to no public transport but heh what can you do.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on January 01, 2020, 06:45:17 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENOqvVEXsAAiL19?format=jpg)

When you so woke you stan the supreme leader of Iran  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 01, 2020, 07:35:51 PM
This is not a Warning, it is a Threat
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on January 01, 2020, 07:45:41 PM
Quote from: Nintex on January 01, 2020, 06:45:17 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENOqvVEXsAAiL19?format=jpg)

When you so woke you stan the supreme leader of Iran  :lol
our leaders in the U.S. do more harm to the world than anyone else  :doge I gave the tweet a like!  :-[
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on January 02, 2020, 09:41:35 AM
https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1212643318104023040 (https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1212643318104023040)

 :neo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 02, 2020, 01:00:58 PM
Quote from: Esch on January 02, 2020, 12:47:20 PM
Guys... I don't know if you're paying attention to iraq coverage right now but it's quite something. All the tropes are here: le Drumpf made mistakes and these guys would normally have been on Our Side , totalitarian mind control from iran and it's hordes of teleporting militias.. very powerful stuff...

huge if true
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 02, 2020, 02:23:09 PM
If Steve Irwin didn't intervine there I think he would've pressed his fingers to her lips and SSHHHH'd her
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: shosta on January 02, 2020, 02:44:59 PM
He just grabbed her fucking hand to shake it :lol  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: team filler on January 02, 2020, 03:18:34 PM
Quote from: Esch on January 02, 2020, 01:58:33 PM
:whew

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2020/01/02/australia-bushfires-scott-morrison-cobargo-new-south-wales-state-of-emergency-intl-ldn-vpx.cnn
annihilated by bogans  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Fade into Bolivia
Post by: Nintex on January 02, 2020, 07:57:36 PM
https://twitter.com/alihashem_tv/status/1212893336190754818 (https://twitter.com/alihashem_tv/status/1212893336190754818)
 :idont

The Trump Administration might've droned the head of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Qassem Soleimani at Baghad airport.
Who happens to be the top commander of Iran and seen as the most second powerful figure of the regime next to the supreme leader.
Which would be comparable to droning Pompeo at Heathrow.  :doge

Iraqi news now also reporting the same thing
https://twitter.com/LizSly/status/1212902946805039110 (https://twitter.com/LizSly/status/1212902946805039110)

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Qassem Soleimani, should he be so minded, could drive his car from Tehran to Lebanon’s border with Israel without being stopped.”
:trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: team filler on January 02, 2020, 08:30:14 PM
https://twitter.com/RealScottRitter/status/1212903838992281600
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: OnlyRegret on January 02, 2020, 08:38:42 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENCZ5DyWwAA5tSb.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Nintex on January 02, 2020, 08:41:40 PM
Quote from: filler on January 02, 2020, 08:30:14 PM
https://twitter.com/RealScottRitter/status/1212903838992281600
Al Jazeera just confirmed it.

Before then we had Trump's weird Twitter friend post pictures of his severed hand
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1212905550561914882 (https://twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1212905550561914882)
[close]

He's dead fam

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1212911730071756800 (https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1212911730071756800)
Reports of air strikes on bases too, this is some godfather shit going on right now.

Deputy leader of Lebanese hizbollah also dead
https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1212915070604173314 (https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1212915070604173314)

Tomorrow half the Iraqi army will be in front of the US embassy if this keeps up (and not to defend it).
They better start installing some SAM sites at the Mar-A-Lago.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: team filler on January 02, 2020, 10:09:05 PM
time to reup  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: eleuin on January 02, 2020, 10:12:17 PM
it's been fun friends
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: OnlyRegret on January 02, 2020, 10:12:18 PM
read stuff on twitter with the hashtag
so much garbage, centrist shit, delusions    :yuck :yuck :yuck
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: nudemacusers on January 02, 2020, 10:13:09 PM
Ugh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: OnlyRegret on January 02, 2020, 10:13:20 PM
Quote from: filler on January 02, 2020, 10:09:05 PM
time to reup  :doge

if only using the warhawks for landmine clearance duty gained more public traction, sucks reading their takes from their armchairs
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: team filler on January 02, 2020, 10:13:52 PM
Quote from: nudemacusers on January 02, 2020, 10:13:09 PM
Ugh
this is your doing  ::)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: nudemacusers on January 02, 2020, 10:19:10 PM
I just wanna eat shawarma and hummus in peace  :(
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: shosta on January 02, 2020, 10:45:58 PM
https://twitter.com/getfiscal/status/1212931559571017730
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Tripon on January 02, 2020, 10:58:24 PM
He missed the part where the CIA toppled Prime Minister Mossadeq in 1953.  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: shosta on January 02, 2020, 11:14:31 PM
https://twitter.com/getfiscal/status/1212947131679625217
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 02, 2020, 11:33:41 PM
Fortunately, I've aged out of Selective Service by now. :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Tripon on January 02, 2020, 11:40:42 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 02, 2020, 11:33:41 PM
Fortunately, I've aged out of Selective Service by now. :whew

Quote
Congress and the President authorize a draft: The president claims a crisis has occurred which requires more troops than the volunteer military can supply. Congress passes and the President signs legislation which revises the Military Selective Service Act to initiate a draft for military manpower.
The Lottery: A lottery based on birthdays determines the order in which registered men are called up by Selective Service. The first to be called, in a sequence determined by the lottery, will be men whose 20th birthday falls during the calendar year the induction takes place, followed, if needed, by those aged 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 19 and 18 year olds (in that order).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Service_System

RIP 18-25 year olds.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: shosta on January 03, 2020, 12:38:10 AM
nudemacusers, I will take care of your wife when you are gone
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: team filler on January 03, 2020, 12:41:42 AM
you ain't mormapapi  ::)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: El Babua on January 03, 2020, 01:00:32 AM
We byke

https://twitter.com/EricLevitz/status/1212938373230473216
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Nintex on January 03, 2020, 06:24:48 AM
https://twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1213030968937910272 (https://twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1213030968937910272)

Donald Trump's making adults cry again  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Tripon on January 03, 2020, 01:23:19 PM
https://twitter.com/TiceRichard/status/1213065781669269506  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: shosta on January 03, 2020, 01:35:34 PM
Spending more on beef will just decrease spending in another part of the economy.  :brain
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 03, 2020, 02:52:24 PM
Quote from: Nintex on January 03, 2020, 06:24:48 AM
https://twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1213030968937910272 (https://twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1213030968937910272)

Donald Trump's making adults cry again  :doge

Looks like fat saddam

Prob next to die
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: VomKriege on January 03, 2020, 04:03:40 PM
On the Ghosn escape : France does not extradite her own citizens (except to other UE members with the proper mandate) and a government secretary of state confirmed as such during an interview on TV. If Ghosn make it to France (if there's political will, there's a way because it's Lebanon and the ties are still strong), Japan would have to settle for a French trial.

That's probably the best deal he could get and one would imagine that's the ultimate objective.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Tripon on January 03, 2020, 06:25:39 PM
https://twitter.com/HirokoTabuchi/status/1213237985929351168
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Nintex on January 03, 2020, 06:31:39 PM
https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1213240347058266112 (https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1213240347058266112)

Pro-Iran militia leader seems like a dangerous job huh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 03, 2020, 06:33:50 PM
Wow I see Iran is already on the coun..

Oh wait they dead!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: OnlyRegret on January 03, 2020, 06:55:57 PM
man, somedays, cumskins really piss me off
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: benjipwns on January 03, 2020, 09:56:26 PM
Quote from: shosta on January 02, 2020, 10:45:58 PM
https://twitter.com/getfiscal/status/1212931559571017730
I actually think the most offensive thing in this is "the Irani people" :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: benjipwns on January 03, 2020, 10:16:20 PM
wait i just realized that isn't even Iran :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Kara on January 03, 2020, 10:43:33 PM
Nisba isn't offensive unless you're some weird Near East supremacist guy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Nintex on January 04, 2020, 07:56:11 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 03, 2020, 10:16:20 PM
wait i just realized that isn't even Iran :dead
And yet it is canon


https://twitter.com/HeshmatAlavi/status/1213371704615067648 (https://twitter.com/HeshmatAlavi/status/1213371704615067648)

IranResponse_v3_final_verified.pptx
OPTIONS IN RESPONSE TO IRAN
- Do nothing and play Golf this weekend
- Call Sean Hannity
- Impose more sanctions on Iran and eat ice cream << FANTASTIC DEAL
- Deploy troops to Saudi Arabia
- Blow up the palace of the supreme leader of Iran (submitted by Democrats)
[close]

https://twitter.com/SiffatZahra/status/1213412757107888128 (https://twitter.com/SiffatZahra/status/1213412757107888128)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Nintex on January 04, 2020, 10:34:11 AM
All those poor animals and people  :(, I'm looking into making a donation, you can do so here:
https://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/volunteer/support-your-local-brigade (https://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/volunteer/support-your-local-brigade)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 04, 2020, 03:19:33 PM
Maybe the Australian government should start with having some climate policy. Kind of ironic seeing all those people fleeing bushfires in SUVs.

Also didnt they spend like tens of millions making ads again with Hemsworth and Minogue begging brexiteers to fly over for holidays?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: team filler on January 04, 2020, 07:14:28 PM
https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1213473846499643393

 :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: jorma on January 05, 2020, 12:54:38 AM
Quote from: filler on January 04, 2020, 07:14:28 PM
https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1213473846499643393

 :whew

Hmm. Wouldn't "a similar response" be the second most powerful man in 'murica?
According to Forbes, that man is... Jeff Bezos.

Trump playing 67 dimensional chess again!  :lol

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Nintex on January 05, 2020, 05:36:59 AM
Pompeo: "People will dance in the streets"
https://twitter.com/RudawEnglish/status/1213764789199130624 (https://twitter.com/RudawEnglish/status/1213764789199130624)

Pompeo: "We're looking to de-escalate"
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1213689342272659456 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1213689342272659456)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Kara on January 05, 2020, 06:03:02 AM
Osprey, F-35, etc.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: team filler on January 05, 2020, 02:59:30 PM
https://twitter.com/Garou_Hidalgo/status/1213894570074869766

 :mueller is this an eric andre sketch  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: team filler on January 05, 2020, 03:20:41 PM
https://twitter.com/camilapress/status/1213916299069394944

 :delicious
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: OnlyRegret on January 05, 2020, 04:07:55 PM
https://twitter.com/RaniaKhalek/status/1213426190523994112
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: team filler on January 05, 2020, 04:16:10 PM
https://twitter.com/anyaparampil/status/1213929209988554756

it really was a sketch  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Nintex on January 06, 2020, 08:59:30 AM
https://twitter.com/RudawEnglish/status/1214170432603086853 (https://twitter.com/RudawEnglish/status/1214170432603086853)

What the MSM thinks: "OH NOES, China will fight the US Troops!!"

What China thinks: "Hmmm yes, we'll shoot your protesters for you, we are experts you see"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 06, 2020, 09:40:09 AM
Lmao imagine if china will send troops to Iraq what a win for the US to get out of that mess  :lol

4D chess
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Nintex on January 06, 2020, 10:33:10 AM
https://twitter.com/ReutersIran/status/1214087965380620290 (https://twitter.com/ReutersIran/status/1214087965380620290)

Why don't we all deploy some forces to the Middle East.  :heart
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Nintex on January 06, 2020, 11:48:22 AM
Libya is also turning bloodier by the day but it seems unlikely that Erdogan can turn the tide for the government at this point.
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1214215107246526468 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1214215107246526468)

https://twitter.com/Lyobserver/status/1213850537311064067 (https://twitter.com/Lyobserver/status/1213850537311064067)

For those tuning in to this conflict, this is a proxy war between:
Turkey & Qatar(UN backed government) vs. Russia, Saudi's, Egypt & UAE(Haftar)

Turkey is sending troops, while Russia is supplying Haftar from its bases in Syria.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Tripon on January 08, 2020, 12:10:37 AM
https://twitter.com/business/status/1214752566208270337
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: shosta on January 08, 2020, 02:08:52 AM
https://twitter.com/Ahmadinejad1956/status/1072468813667540994
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: OnlyRegret on January 08, 2020, 02:26:53 AM
good vibes up in here  :rejoice

https://twitter.com/Ahmadinejad1956/status/1193924287293513728

https://twitter.com/Ahmadinejad1956/status/1190972324809465858

https://twitter.com/Ahmadinejad1956/status/1184878996070244352

https://twitter.com/Ahmadinejad1956/status/1180447038435217409
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: OnlyRegret on January 08, 2020, 02:29:45 AM
 :mynicca

https://twitter.com/Ahmadinejad1956/status/1121450975145943040

https://twitter.com/Ahmadinejad1956/status/1158452231001247744

https://twitter.com/Ahmadinejad1956/status/1130118642157404160
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: VomKriege on January 08, 2020, 05:36:17 AM
Macron's MP are now making noise for the Prime Minister to compromise with one of the French unions, the CFDT, which is the most moderate of the major ones. The CFDT only major grievance with the reform is the "âge pivot" : In short while the legal minimum age to claim pension rights would stay at 62 years old, 64 years would ultimately be the real floating line, with a penalising decrease for claiming it between 62 and 64. The decrease in the current reform would be permanent. The carrot to that stick is that the decrease in your pension rights resulting from partial dues (if you didn't work enough trimesters to pay the pension fees throughout your career) would be lowered from applying up to 67 years old (at most) to 64. But in effect it's a not so stealth way to up the retirement age.

Protest tomorrow, I may march.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: kingv on January 08, 2020, 09:41:09 AM
I get the feeling Macron pretty much sucks, but just got the benefit of the lesser of two evils vote.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Raist on January 08, 2020, 11:32:47 AM
Let's be real. The people who through their shit out of the pram about all this are (once again) the ones with insane advantages when it comes to retirement, benefits etc.

A lot of it isn't justified anymore. Someone driving a TGV is having it just a little bit easier than someone who was shoveling coal into a roaring engine.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: shosta on January 08, 2020, 12:48:48 PM
So whenever work gets easier, we should raise the age of retirement? How about lengthen the workday?

Why has France able to afford the pension that it has for all these years and suddenly it needs to make cuts?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Raist on January 08, 2020, 01:04:23 PM
Quote from: shosta on January 08, 2020, 12:48:48 PM
So whenever work gets easier, we should raise the age of retirement? How about lengthen the workday?

Why has France able to afford the pension that it has for all these years and suddenly it needs to make cuts?

The point is that there's a huge gap between a few professions (that are mostly government employees), and everyone else. So it's already difficult to justify, and especially moreso when a lot of it is based on factors that aren't present anymore.


France hasn't been able to afford it for a very, very long time. The strikes in 1995 were (in part) because of similar plans to reform retirement plans. Until the government folded, because transports were likewise fucked.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: shosta on January 08, 2020, 01:10:16 PM
So... they've been able to afford it for... 25 years? :hitler
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Raist on January 08, 2020, 01:12:04 PM
No. Are you familiar with the term deficit? Or debt?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: shosta on January 08, 2020, 01:17:38 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/WPzAjz8_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)

Deficit looks stable to me, sir.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Raist on January 08, 2020, 01:22:44 PM
 :picard
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: shosta on January 08, 2020, 01:27:50 PM
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0Jrv_pOzDe8/WQSy5qHq4WI/AAAAAAAACrM/9LLUn_FBGEckp_5g01H1lfbPktiLutpGwCLcB/s1600/FranceFigures.png)

Checked French interest payments - looks like you guys have been improving your fiscal stance since 1995.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: VomKriege on January 08, 2020, 03:14:02 PM
People don't like regression, in the particular or the general. :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Tripon on January 08, 2020, 08:36:40 PM
Quote
MADRID – Spanish national court judge Jose de la Mata has ordered the police and the civil guard to notify him if Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and six former Israeli officials step foot on Spanish soil, since their visit could reopen a case filed against them in Spain for the attack on the Freedom Flotilla in 2010.

The judge put the case on hold last June after Spain reformed its Universal Justice doctrine.

The list of Israeli officials includes Netanyahu, former defense minister Ehud Barak, former foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman, former minister of strategic affairs Moshe Yaalon, former interior minister Eli Yishai, minister without portfolio Benny Begin and vice admiral in charge of the operation, Maron Eliezer.

The Israeli officials face charges in the case, opened by the National Court, following the attack by Israeli security forces in 2010 on the Freedom Flotilla ship bound for Gaza on a humanitarian mission.

http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=2399976&CategoryId=12395
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: shosta on January 08, 2020, 09:00:33 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/e6tBNOv.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Nintex on January 09, 2020, 06:43:13 AM
Our government has a surplus but we have an entirely different set of problems.
They said everyone would be better off for the past three years and the economy kept improving. So vendors upped their prices but those tax cuts were delayed and some other taxes were actually increased.

The numbers are in and...
- Prices of food and other necessities have gone up (lower tax rate for food(6%) was abolished, VAT is now 21% for everything)
- Energy/Water costs have gone up
- We now have the most expensive gas in all of Europe (~1.82 Euro for a Liter of Petrol (~$7.50 a gallon), mixed with Ethanol so engines will brake down faster too)
- Housing shortage turned into a housing crisis (yes, we've ran out of affordable housing because we need to house refugees somewhere but our government also had the policy to artificially inflate real-estate capital by not building any new affordable housing, oops)
- Unattainable climate goals (max speed is going down to 100 km/h next month (just 60 mph LMAO) and we can't solve the housing crisis because we're unable to build any affordable housing because of the climate regulations)

So now the two main ruling parties are trying to deflect with a pissing contest of new migration policies and a ban on fireworks :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Brehvolution on January 09, 2020, 09:05:44 AM
Want to trade?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: BisMarckie on January 09, 2020, 09:25:32 AM
Quote from: Nintex on January 09, 2020, 06:43:13 AM
max speed is going down to 100 km/h next month (just 60 mph LMAO)

:sabu

YOu were pansy ass cowards before with your 120 km/h limit. :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Nintex on January 09, 2020, 10:08:30 AM
Quote from: BisMarckie on January 09, 2020, 09:25:32 AM
Quote from: Nintex on January 09, 2020, 06:43:13 AM
max speed is going down to 100 km/h next month (just 60 mph LMAO)

:sabu

YOu were pansy ass cowards before with your 120 km/h limit. :trumps
It sucks, and all those tiny A-class cars that barely accelerate just make it worse.
Big parts of the country are already a traffic jam most of the time. You can't even drive 120 km/h in most places.

Quote from: Brehvolution on January 09, 2020, 09:05:44 AM
Want to trade?
I'm glad I live in this rich coastal town which scores above average in nearly every metric including alcohol consumption  8)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Brehvolution on January 09, 2020, 11:16:52 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/P3zSTsx.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Raist on January 09, 2020, 11:22:19 AM
Quote from: Nintex on January 09, 2020, 06:43:13 AM
- Unattainable climate goals (max speed is going down to 100 km/h next month (just 60 mph LMAO) and we can't solve the housing crisis because we're unable to build any affordable housing because of the climate regulations)

You could start by getting rid of coal plants and not having half your puny country covered with goddamn greenhouses that are running 24/7.

That might help reducing your CO2 per capita emissions to something a bit more reasonable than 2X that of France and other Western EU countries with equivalent development levels :bolo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: jorma on January 09, 2020, 11:27:01 AM
Quote from: Raist on January 09, 2020, 11:22:19 AM
Quote from: Nintex on January 09, 2020, 06:43:13 AM
- Unattainable climate goals (max speed is going down to 100 km/h next month (just 60 mph LMAO) and we can't solve the housing crisis because we're unable to build any affordable housing because of the climate regulations)

You could start by getting rid of coal plants and not having half your puny country covered with goddamn greenhouses that are running 24/7.

That might help reducing your CO2 per capita emissions to something a bit more reasonable than 2X that of France and other Western EU countries with equivalent development levels :bolo

french bell peppers  :nope

dutch bell peppers  :ohyeah
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Nintex on January 09, 2020, 11:43:14 AM
Quote from: Raist on January 09, 2020, 11:22:19 AM
Quote from: Nintex on January 09, 2020, 06:43:13 AM
- Unattainable climate goals (max speed is going down to 100 km/h next month (just 60 mph LMAO) and we can't solve the housing crisis because we're unable to build any affordable housing because of the climate regulations)

You could start by getting rid of coal plants and not having half your puny country covered with goddamn greenhouses that are running 24/7.

That might help reducing your CO2 per capita emissions to something a bit more reasonable than 2X that of France and other Western EU countries with equivalent development levels :bolo
Well someone has to feed the planet while the French go on strike every week

Unless you really want to import more unregulated chlorinated chicken and Trump steaks from the United States
 :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Raist on January 09, 2020, 12:28:46 PM
Still going on with this bullshit? :lol

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-american-food-giant-the-largest-exporter-of-food-in-the-world.html

Rank   Country   Value of Food Exports (US Dollars, Thousands)
1   United States   72,682,349.79
2   Germany   34,628,800.73
3   United Kingdom   29,540,218.71
4   China   25,152,286.27
5   France   24,114,557.76
6   Netherlands   23,271,570.93


GTFO with your "we feed the planet  :'(" tirade while using figures including flowers and shit :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 09, 2020, 12:32:05 PM
Raist the dutch are already being punished with the 100 kmh speed limit  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: shosta on January 09, 2020, 12:35:29 PM
Quote from: Nintex on January 09, 2020, 06:43:13 AM
we can't solve the housing crisis because we're unable to build any affordable housing because of the climate regulations
defending property owners getting rich on Amsterdam's housing bubble and poopooing climate regulations while you live under sea level.

Ladies and gentlemen: the perfect shmuck
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Nintex on January 09, 2020, 12:39:03 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 09, 2020, 12:28:46 PM
Still going on with this bullshit? :lol

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-american-food-giant-the-largest-exporter-of-food-in-the-world.html

Rank   Country   Value of Food Exports (US Dollars, Thousands)
1   United States   72,682,349.79
2   Germany   34,628,800.73
3   United Kingdom   29,540,218.71
4   China   25,152,286.27
5   France   24,114,557.76
6   Netherlands   23,271,570.93


GTFO with your "we feed the planet  :'(" tirade while using figures including flowers and shit :lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EkglVH6GM0
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Raist on January 09, 2020, 12:39:50 PM
Data:

Quote
As of 2017, fruit was the top agri-food import products in the Netherlands, with fruit imports worth roughly six billion euros. Meat, dairy and egg imports combined accounted for just under eight billion euros in 2017, with meat imports ranked last in the top five agricultural and food imports to the Netherlands.

(https://www.government.nl/binaries/medium/content/gallery/government/content-afbeeldingen/ministries/lnv/min-lnv-agri-food-export-figures-2017_02.jpg)


Nintex: We feed the planet :derp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Raist on January 09, 2020, 12:44:31 PM
Data:

Country - CO2 Emission per capita in 2018 (metric tons)
Netherlands - 9.5
Germany - 9.1
Spain -6.0
Italy - 5.8
UK - 5.6
France - 5.0


Nintex: We're super efficient :derp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 09, 2020, 01:20:28 PM
Is there a more wasteful industry then growing fucking flowers in greenhouses? Even meat and coal have merits

And yeah I grew up in the bollenstreek
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: BisMarckie on January 09, 2020, 01:26:21 PM
Growing flowers in greenhouses and not even thinking of raising the ROI by growing opium poppies.

The Netherlands :neogaf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Nintex on January 09, 2020, 01:27:29 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on January 09, 2020, 01:26:21 PM
Growing flowers in greenhouses and not even thinking of raising the ROI by growing opium poppies.

The Netherlands :neogaf
Where do you think the weed is grown  ;)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 09, 2020, 01:54:42 PM
Tegrity farms
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 09, 2020, 03:41:45 PM
Flowers :neogaf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: shosta on January 09, 2020, 04:12:23 PM
https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1215335543464235008

Launch an attack on your sworn enemy, end up only killing a whole plane full of your own people. :shaq2

What a dumb tragedy. War is stupid.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 09, 2020, 04:49:38 PM
Us really has a lot to fear of a country this capable.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: VomKriege on January 09, 2020, 06:06:11 PM
Went to the protest but we never got out of the start area. Everything was jammed on the avenue. Police apparently filtered the protesters in small groups. We left before the whole second half (?) of the column could ever move a couple inches forward in 2 hours, apparently they managed to get through under rain and as night already was underway, the latter is kinda weird. Can't help but think that the police deliberately is not putting a lot of good will in helping the protest along. For instance the "independent" counting paid for by some major media outlets was concluded before the last groups even passed their observation post. Tensions always flare up at night. Tear gas and charges were made as soon as the head of the column (where all the union heads are) reached the dispersion point. Feels like things are being pushed to give the impression of a sparser protest and of course some dramatic "if it bleeds it leads" images of a garbage bin burning.

We got to sing the International which is always a hoot though.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Raist on January 09, 2020, 06:24:39 PM
Trying to find the NL from the ISS at night?

No problem!

(https://i.imgur.com/NBDJSjC.jpg)


All thanks to these:

(https://mymodernmet.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Tom-Hegen-The-Greenhouse-Series-8.jpg)


Nintex: Max speed lowered to 100kph plsnowhy  :'(
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: BisMarckie on January 09, 2020, 07:12:37 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 09, 2020, 06:24:39 PM
Trying to find the NL from the ISS at night?


The Rhine/Ruhr area, Belgium and the Netherlands are also the most densely populated area in all of Europe though. :trumps

It's not all greenhouses  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Nintex on January 09, 2020, 07:24:32 PM
Are you kidding, I tripped over greenhouses on my way own.

Let's just forget the fact that tulips and most other flowers are not grown in greenhouses like vegetables but primarely in fields along with potato's :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Raist on January 09, 2020, 07:33:33 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on January 09, 2020, 07:12:37 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 09, 2020, 06:24:39 PM
Trying to find the NL from the ISS at night?


The Rhine/Ruhr area, Belgium and the Netherlands are also the most densely populated area in all of Europe though. :trumps

It's not all greenhouses  :lol

No shit it isn't all greenhouses.

But having dozens of those that are the size of multiple football fields, peppered all over, and lit up like fucking christmas trees ain't going to help now is it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Raist on January 09, 2020, 07:41:36 PM
Quote from: Nintex on January 09, 2020, 07:24:32 PM
Let's just forget the fact that tulips and most other flowers are not grown in greenhouses like vegetables but primarely in fields along with potato's :trumps

Oh yeah?

I suppose these must be some sort of bizarro strawberries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFhVvFAMT84


These are melons or something.

(https://londonflowerschool.com/uploads/images/_1000xAUTO_fit_center-center_99/2H9A2249-Edit.jpg)


And how about them apples.

(https://www.tripsavvy.com/thmb/5S9A18fObw9hVZuPw-aN_5W_96Q=/1000x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc():format(webp)/Dutch-tulip-farm-20870-56a2028c3df78cf7727113d9.JPG)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: BisMarckie on January 09, 2020, 07:42:41 PM
BDS The Netherlands!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Raist on January 09, 2020, 07:45:19 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on January 09, 2020, 07:42:41 PM
BDS The Netherlands!

Let's just blow up the Afsluitdijk.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: shosta on January 09, 2020, 07:46:22 PM
I thought that keyboard spam for a second. Frickin made up languages :yuck
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: BisMarckie on January 09, 2020, 07:49:40 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 09, 2020, 07:45:19 PM


Let's just blow up the Afsluitdijk.

Owning beachfront property :aah
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Nintex on January 09, 2020, 07:49:43 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 09, 2020, 07:45:19 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on January 09, 2020, 07:42:41 PM
BDS The Netherlands!

Let's just blow up the Afsluitdijk.
Let's, you'd actually do us a favor by flooding Almere  and their ugly Vinex wijken :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: nachobro on January 09, 2020, 10:12:11 PM
Quote from: Nintex on January 09, 2020, 07:49:43 PM
Let's, you'd actually do us a favor by flooding Almere  and their ugly Vinex wijken :lol
bro wtf kind of weird ass alien language do you people have over there >:(

(https://i.imgur.com/zJYz1xF.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Mandark on January 09, 2020, 11:06:45 PM
Quote from: Nintex on January 09, 2020, 11:43:14 AM
Well someone has to feed the planet

you import billions in grain to raise livestock which is literally a net negative for available food

what's the point of repeating a dishonest fantasy in a new thread that nobody believed in a previous one?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Kara on January 09, 2020, 11:12:34 PM
The two genders of Nintex posting are drivel and disinformation.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Mandark on January 09, 2020, 11:18:18 PM
I find it so weird how he keeps writing careposts about geopolitics and shit on this forum. Everyone already knows he makes shit up constantly and is stupid as hell. Why not at least find a new audience that might make the mistake of taking you seriously?

(the answer here is obviously "don't try to rationalize the behavior of a compulsive liar" but still!)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: OnlyRegret on January 09, 2020, 11:49:04 PM
nintex is palatable in the video game bored, just needs to be shadowbanned from anything political

anyway
are you kidding, yum, flowers. what else does anyone eat?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Raist on January 10, 2020, 12:51:27 AM
Quote from: nachobro on January 09, 2020, 10:12:11 PM
Quote from: Nintex on January 09, 2020, 07:49:43 PM
Let's, you'd actually do us a favor by flooding Almere  and their ugly Vinex wijken :lol
bro wtf kind of weird ass alien language do you people have over there >:(

(https://i.imgur.com/zJYz1xF.png)


It's basically german but written by a drunk.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Nintex on January 10, 2020, 04:24:21 AM
Just wait until you hear all the 30 different accents in a 30 mile radius. :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Nintex on January 10, 2020, 08:33:07 PM
The sultan of Oman has passed away. A notable mediator between Iran and the US at times.

In Iran news. Rouhani might resign over the plane that was shot down.
The IRGC doesn't want him to acknowledge Iran shot down the plane so there's a tense situation going on within the leadership of the country.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: OnlyRegret on January 10, 2020, 08:40:11 PM
Yeah, I mean it seems pretty obvious now what happened but it isn't something they can really approach. Fucking up massively during the window of their supposed "full retaliation" where they even took it to Twitter.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Tripon on January 10, 2020, 11:29:52 PM
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1215852243905327105
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: nudemacusers on January 10, 2020, 11:41:41 PM
Weird to see people try to blame trump’s dumb ass for this, as if he had a hand in developing Iran’s clearly shit targeting c2.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: shosta on January 10, 2020, 11:46:24 PM
nudemac, what do you even do over there?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: nudemacusers on January 10, 2020, 11:52:28 PM
Serve  :salute

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Nothing wild or particularly interesting
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: shosta on January 10, 2020, 11:54:52 PM
cagey bastard :heh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: OnlyRegret on January 10, 2020, 11:59:04 PM
Quote from: nudemacusers on January 10, 2020, 11:41:41 PM
Weird to see people try to blame trump’s dumb ass for this, as if he had a hand in developing Iran’s clearly shit targeting c2.

Some people's politics are strictly relative. Completely defined in relation to something else, in this case being strictly opposite the Americans no matter the matter.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: nudemacusers on January 11, 2020, 12:03:03 AM
Quote from: shosta on January 10, 2020, 11:54:52 PM
cagey bastard :heh
If I told you, I’d have to fuck you.

Wait that’s not it...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Kara on January 11, 2020, 03:37:31 AM
At one point he was stationed around sensitive materials because he had to wear a Seiko automatic watch. :vr
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: nudemacusers on January 11, 2020, 03:49:52 AM
 :drudge :ohhh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Nintex on January 11, 2020, 11:21:25 AM
This new season of Homeland is crazy

https://twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1215979273204334592 (https://twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1215979273204334592)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: team filler on January 12, 2020, 02:13:54 PM
https://twitter.com/SamiRamadani1/status/1215940233734377472
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Pissy F Benny on January 12, 2020, 02:34:56 PM
 :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Kara on January 12, 2020, 02:39:06 PM
Quote from: filler on January 12, 2020, 02:13:54 PM
https://twitter.com/SamiRamadani1/status/1215940233734377472

(https://i.imgur.com/LsQWva2.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: shosta on January 13, 2020, 02:03:34 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/PI4zu0Z.png)

The hubris :lawd
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: team filler on January 13, 2020, 08:54:58 AM
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1216509852286996481
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Nintex on January 13, 2020, 02:03:03 PM
This shit's about to get lit

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1216797057639337984 (https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1216797057639337984)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 13, 2020, 02:15:20 PM
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2020-01-13/cosplayer-activist-lai-pin-yu-wins-seat-at-taiwan-election/.155294
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: team filler on January 13, 2020, 02:34:45 PM
https://twitter.com/sarozayn/status/1216798252013514752
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: kingv on January 13, 2020, 07:16:09 PM
Does it work the same if you ride a golf cart down the street?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 15, 2020, 12:29:37 PM
https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1217445651832885248
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: team filler on January 15, 2020, 02:38:44 PM
 :putin :salute
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Nintex on January 15, 2020, 03:05:12 PM
https://twitter.com/27khv/status/1217438850873745412 (https://twitter.com/27khv/status/1217438850873745412)

https://twitter.com/27khv/status/1217481300237586432 (https://twitter.com/27khv/status/1217481300237586432)

 :dizzy
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: VomKriege on January 16, 2020, 03:37:00 PM
On the cover of weekly Le Point, a legitimate media organization™, "How the CGT labor union is ruining France."
Also, as advertised in the upper left corner : "The exclusive confession" of Arnaud Lagardčre, a great captain of an industrial empire (he inherited).

 :rethread

(https://i.imgur.com/nft0Nip.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Tripon on January 16, 2020, 10:15:31 PM
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1218008549999226880
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: shosta on January 16, 2020, 10:20:13 PM
Being a rich hip hop star and seeking Nigerian citizenship is some children-of-the-diaspora-meme shit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: team filler on January 20, 2020, 02:47:25 AM
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1219162645216935936
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: shosta on January 20, 2020, 06:16:20 AM
Lebanon :tocry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 20, 2020, 08:59:03 AM
Quote from: filler on January 20, 2020, 02:47:25 AM
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1219162645216935936

He was probably in the bathroom sending text messages to his boyfriend Donald Trump.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: team filler on January 20, 2020, 03:40:48 PM
https://twitter.com/IraqLiveUpdate/status/1218983069522243586

 :tocry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Nintex on January 20, 2020, 05:57:22 PM
World leaders be like

plz don't hack our emails Putin-san  :uguu
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Boredfrom on January 20, 2020, 06:07:12 PM
Quote from: filler on January 20, 2020, 03:40:48 PM
https://twitter.com/IraqLiveUpdate/status/1218983069522243586

 :tocry

 :heyman :delicious :sheik :success

Why are you posting propaganda?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 20, 2020, 06:13:25 PM
Let's not act like Soleimani was a kind old granddad just because we don't like American imperialism.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Boredfrom on January 20, 2020, 06:16:54 PM
Maybe he was a kind granddad, but dunno why I would feel sorry for him or take that video a face value given the past two weeks.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Nintex on January 20, 2020, 06:19:28 PM
Unseen video of #Soleimani with his grandson before he died like a whimpering coward crying for his mommy because the host of the celebrity apprentice wanted him dead to boost his Twitter likes :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: shosta on January 20, 2020, 06:21:48 PM
How many pairs of jackboots do you own?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Nintex on January 20, 2020, 06:24:03 PM
Quote from: shosta on January 20, 2020, 06:21:48 PM
How many pairs of jackboots do you own?
I have as many pairs of jackboots as Iran now has capable generals

0  :teehee
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: team filler on January 20, 2020, 06:29:52 PM
Baba Soleimani  :fbm

soleimania will live on in the hearts of all #soleimaniacs  :pimp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: nachobro on January 20, 2020, 06:36:21 PM
its :hulk vs :sheik all over again
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: team filler on January 20, 2020, 06:40:23 PM
fuck his ass, make him humble  8)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Pissy F Benny on January 20, 2020, 06:46:22 PM
I’m surprised no one has tried getting sheikys take on this whole Iran mess :stahp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: team filler on January 20, 2020, 08:06:51 PM
https://twitter.com/j_ducketts/status/1217991577538322432
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 20, 2020, 08:28:36 PM
https://twitter.com/the_ironsheik/status/1215459670057504768
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: El Babua on January 20, 2020, 09:17:12 PM
Stop breaking kayfabe Stro jeez
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: team filler on January 20, 2020, 10:19:42 PM
Quote from: Stro on January 20, 2020, 08:58:51 PM
Do I really need to tell you that the Iron Sheik doesn't run his twitter? Neither does Virgil. I'm pretty sure it's the same company/group that runs both, actually.
::)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Tripon on January 20, 2020, 10:54:41 PM
https://twitter.com/june_mummery/status/1219267050574618626

 :brain
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Raist on January 21, 2020, 06:32:09 AM
I think a lot of people are missing the point that she's complaining about the transition period - i.e. the UK will still follow EU rules and regulations, but won't have representation in the EP anymore. People like her just wanted an immediate and complete exit, without transition or any kind of agreement etc (lolz).


That being said, there's still a hilarious point here: how could UK MEPs have ever held the EU accountable?
I thought the whole thing was just a bunch of unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats and Brexit needed to happen so that the UK could at last T-T-TAKE BACK CONTROOOOOL of their laws :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 21, 2020, 09:04:51 AM
Quote from: Stro on January 20, 2020, 08:58:51 PM
Do I really need to tell you that the Iron Sheik doesn't run his twitter? Neither does Virgil. I'm pretty sure it's the same company/group that runs both, actually.

https://twitter.com/the_ironsheik/status/1219092971276193792
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Kara on January 21, 2020, 01:53:40 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 21, 2020, 06:32:09 AM
I think a lot of people are missing the point that she's complaining about the transition period - i.e. the UK will still follow EU rules and regulations, but won't have representation in the EP anymore. People like her just wanted an immediate and complete exit, without transition or any kind of agreement etc (lolz).


That being said, there's still a hilarious point here: how could UK MEPs have ever held the EU accountable?
I thought the whole thing was just a bunch of unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats and Brexit needed to happen so that the UK could at last T-T-TAKE BACK CONTROOOOOL of their laws :thinking

A quick web search shows she owns a business in the fishing industry, which is so incredibly surprising.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 21, 2020, 02:01:54 PM
Quote from: Kara on January 21, 2020, 01:53:40 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 21, 2020, 06:32:09 AM
I think a lot of people are missing the point that she's complaining about the transition period - i.e. the UK will still follow EU rules and regulations, but won't have representation in the EP anymore. People like her just wanted an immediate and complete exit, without transition or any kind of agreement etc (lolz).


That being said, there's still a hilarious point here: how could UK MEPs have ever held the EU accountable?
I thought the whole thing was just a bunch of unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats and Brexit needed to happen so that the UK could at last T-T-TAKE BACK CONTROOOOOL of their laws :thinking

A quick web search shows she owns a business in the fishing industry, which is so incredibly surprising.

it just keeps happening
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Raist on January 21, 2020, 02:06:30 PM
Quote from: Kara on January 21, 2020, 01:53:40 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 21, 2020, 06:32:09 AM
I think a lot of people are missing the point that she's complaining about the transition period - i.e. the UK will still follow EU rules and regulations, but won't have representation in the EP anymore. People like her just wanted an immediate and complete exit, without transition or any kind of agreement etc (lolz).


That being said, there's still a hilarious point here: how could UK MEPs have ever held the EU accountable?
I thought the whole thing was just a bunch of unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats and Brexit needed to happen so that the UK could at last T-T-TAKE BACK CONTROOOOOL of their laws :thinking

A quick web search shows she owns a business in the fishing industry, which is so incredibly surprising.

And to add to the whole carnival, 75% (IIRC) of the UK's fishing production gets exported - and obviously, mostly to the EU.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Nintex on January 21, 2020, 05:54:31 PM
https://twitter.com/Bing_Chris/status/1219731052505202690 (https://twitter.com/Bing_Chris/status/1219731052505202690)

 :neo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: team filler on January 21, 2020, 06:34:35 PM
https://twitter.com/Zinvor/status/1219763412537876481

 :drool
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Kara on January 21, 2020, 06:44:00 PM
Tashnag is in the cabinet now? 2020 is wild af.

e: Apparently this was more common than I assumed. :brain
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: team filler on January 21, 2020, 08:02:32 PM
Quote from: Nintex on January 21, 2020, 05:54:31 PM
https://twitter.com/Bing_Chris/status/1219731052505202690 (https://twitter.com/Bing_Chris/status/1219731052505202690)

 :neo
https://twitter.com/iyad_elbaghdadi/status/1219736865735159808

https://twitter.com/iyad_elbaghdadi/status/1219741773301452800

 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: team filler on January 21, 2020, 08:16:40 PM
https://twitter.com/NicolasMaduro/status/1219787861953851393

 :pitbull
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: BisMarckie on January 21, 2020, 08:18:14 PM
It's a miracle that Diego is still alive
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: team filler on January 22, 2020, 05:02:06 AM
https://twitter.com/walid970721/status/1219919962833334275

 :goldberg
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Kunai With Chain on January 22, 2020, 11:07:32 AM
https://twitter.com/AvaDjamshidi/status/1219990969485012994
The fuck is he having a meltdown in public in Israel for?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: VomKriege on January 22, 2020, 05:04:01 PM
Quote from: Kunai With Chain on January 22, 2020, 11:07:32 AM
https://twitter.com/AvaDjamshidi/status/1219990969485012994
The fuck is he having a meltdown in public in Israel for?

Some kerfuffle in or around the St Anne basilick which is legally French territory in Jerusalem. One cop entered the church twice and was expelled by the French security detail the second time and later he accused the Israeli police of being obstructive while he was trying to enter himself.

Some of the press point out Macron stroll in Jerusalem looks too much like the one from Chirac where he told Israeli cops to BTFO to be entirely earnest.

Some op-ed in the Figaro is titling on "Macron appears arrogant while Chirac was sympathetic". Can't say I disagree.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Nintex on January 22, 2020, 06:17:51 PM
https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1220086793434996736 (https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1220086793434996736)

Why on gods green earth would you release this

 :birb
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Tripon on January 22, 2020, 09:29:18 PM
https://twitter.com/isaby/status/1220111448183115779

itshappening.jpg? Did they ever fix the Irish Border issue?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: shosta on January 22, 2020, 09:30:54 PM
Northern Ireland will be in the single market.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: kingv on January 22, 2020, 10:51:06 PM
Single market is EU, or single market is Uk?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: shosta on January 22, 2020, 10:54:05 PM
the eu. It might actually just be in the customs union but you get my point - there won't be customs checks in Ireland but there will be customs for goods coming across the north channel
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Potato on January 23, 2020, 06:52:23 AM
Quote from: Nintex on January 22, 2020, 06:17:51 PM
https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1220086793434996736 (https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1220086793434996736)

Why on gods green earth would you release this

 :birb
Think about how bad Corbyn was to lose to that in a landslide.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: team filler on January 23, 2020, 08:13:54 PM
https://twitter.com/rcbregman/status/1219243181335691266


 :pimp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Kunai With Chain on January 24, 2020, 03:15:35 AM
https://twitter.com/natansachs/status/1220396171228864513

Just one more week until the concept of prospective Palestine will become null and void, if it wasn't already.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 24, 2020, 09:48:46 AM
https://twitter.com/TheEIU/status/1220035654916149248

1 Norway   
2 Iceland   
3 Sweden   
4 New Zealand   
5 Finland   

163 Chad   
164 Syria   
165 Central African Republic   
166 Dem. Republic of Congo   
167 North Korea   
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: kingv on January 24, 2020, 12:35:00 PM
Full democracy vs authoritarian Chad.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Raist on January 24, 2020, 01:09:26 PM
Quote from: Tripon on January 22, 2020, 09:29:18 PM
https://twitter.com/isaby/status/1220111448183115779

itshappening.jpg? Did they ever fix the Irish Border issue?

Yes. By doing what they said was utterly unacceptable when May was PM, which is to have the de facto border down the Irish Sea :marimo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 24, 2020, 01:38:41 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on January 24, 2020, 09:48:46 AM
https://twitter.com/TheEIU/status/1220035654916149248

1 Norway   
2 Iceland   
3 Sweden   
4 New Zealand   
5 Finland   

163 Chad   
164 Syria   
165 Central African Republic   
166 Dem. Republic of Congo   
167 North Korea   
168 United States of America

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Nintex on January 24, 2020, 02:15:33 PM
Quote from: filler on January 23, 2020, 08:13:54 PM
https://twitter.com/rcbregman/status/1219243181335691266


 :pimp
Davos can't handle Dutch directness  8)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Mollys Fruity Loops on January 24, 2020, 02:45:08 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1220760281925767168


(https://media.giphy.com/media/3ohzdFRFAi7zQ0VKKI/giphy.gif)


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Nintex on January 24, 2020, 02:58:36 PM
QUESTION TIME WITH NO10

"Right copyright law...
*PM grabs pen and makes a stabbing motion*
actually when you write...
*writes upside down and messes up hair*
and you write what someone else already wrote
that is not ok
Such an event is known as a COPYRIGHT VIOLATION which is in my opinion a terrible crime
*larry poops on table in the background*
BUT I BELIEVE
we don't need a 'law' to tell us this right?
I mean what would be next with these bureaucrats?
Laws that tell us we can't drink and drive?
*passerby shouts wanker in the distance*
Laws that tell us we can't have a merry good brawl at the pub?
Laws that tell us we can't bring our mistresses to a party we haven't told our wives about?
I told you we'd get Brexit done
and protect our country from these type of crazy laws that interfere with our lives
and by blocking these radical ideas the conservative government has delivered on those promises"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: OnlyRegret on January 24, 2020, 04:15:11 PM
wtf, they escaped their quarantine zone (thread)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: benjipwns on January 25, 2020, 02:37:34 AM
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1220759425868275712

look at his hair in the photo versus his hair in the avatar :lol

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1200430685560983553/xRebdCDg_400x400.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: team filler on January 25, 2020, 06:25:37 PM
was the hair always like that or is it from implants?  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: team filler on January 25, 2020, 10:07:25 PM
https://twitter.com/haaretzcom/status/1220519101925249024

 :thinking :gurl :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Transhuman on January 25, 2020, 11:08:08 PM
Quote from: filler on January 25, 2020, 10:07:25 PM
https://twitter.com/haaretzcom/status/1220519101925249024

 :thinking :gurl :kermit

Just like Hitler would have used
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 27, 2020, 10:45:29 AM
Elizabeth Warren is like  :hyper :hyper :hyper
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Tripon on January 27, 2020, 03:26:50 PM
https://twitter.com/premnsikka/status/1221870379536388099

 :ohyou
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: BisMarckie on January 27, 2020, 03:51:02 PM
It's estimated that up to 2 million Ukrainians work in Poland, which is kind of ironic since Poland itself suffered from considerable migration  to Western Europe over the past 25 years.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: shosta on January 27, 2020, 03:54:46 PM
Isn't that the point of the EU? For people to move to where the jobs are?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: BisMarckie on January 27, 2020, 03:57:46 PM
Quote from: shosta on January 27, 2020, 03:54:46 PM
Isn't that the point of the EU? For people to move to where the jobs are?

Ukraine isn't a part of the EU, but sure. The brain drain that Poland (and now Ukraine) suffered from is still a huge problem for a society.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: shosta on January 27, 2020, 03:59:53 PM
I was talking about Poland :P
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Rufus on January 27, 2020, 04:01:07 PM
Our people go to them? Freedom. Their people come to us? Invasion.

Forget it, shoshy. It's monkey town.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Nintex on January 27, 2020, 06:49:02 PM
On the part of Ukraine it's probably also a bunch of people living in the east that moved over to Russia.
Why stay in fake Russia if you can move to the real thing. Especially if there's a war going on.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: kingv on January 27, 2020, 10:46:16 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on January 27, 2020, 03:57:46 PM
Quote from: shosta on January 27, 2020, 03:54:46 PM
Isn't that the point of the EU? For people to move to where the jobs are?

Ukraine isn't a part of the EU, but sure. The brain drain that Poland (and now Ukraine) suffered from is still a huge problem for a society.

Counterpoint: cdprojektred
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: benjipwns on January 28, 2020, 07:12:57 AM
Quote from: Esch on January 27, 2020, 03:40:38 PM
Saw some scattered posting about this on Twitter but yikes, etc.
It was called The Holodomor, let me show you some pictures...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: shosta on January 28, 2020, 03:09:51 PM
Quote
Facing economic collapse and painful sanctions, the socialist government of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has proposed giving majority shares and control of its oil industry to big international corporations, a move that would forsake decades of state monopoly.
only took a year
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 28, 2020, 03:10:48 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 28, 2020, 07:12:57 AM
Quote from: Esch on January 27, 2020, 03:40:38 PM
Saw some scattered posting about this on Twitter but yikes, etc.
It was called The Holodomor, let me show you some pictures...

:existential
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Nintex on January 28, 2020, 06:10:43 PM
Quote from: shosta on January 28, 2020, 03:09:51 PM
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Facing economic collapse and painful sanctions, the socialist government of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has proposed giving majority shares and control of its oil industry to big international corporations, a move that would forsake decades of state monopoly.
only took a year
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Venezuela reported to OPEC an average crude production of about 1 million barrels per day (bpd) in 2019, its lowest level in almost 75 years amid sanctions imposed by the United States to oust socialist President Nicolas Maduro, lack of investment capital and staff, and mismanagement.
:success :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Nintex on January 29, 2020, 12:43:52 PM
https://twitter.com/brexitparty_uk/status/1222570396068827136 (https://twitter.com/brexitparty_uk/status/1222570396068827136)

Skip to the end. As Farage says goodbye he starts waving the UK flag. Then gets cut off because country flags are now VERBOTEN in the EU parliament.

Triggered by flags

 :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Raist on January 29, 2020, 02:30:17 PM
Quote from: Nintex on January 29, 2020, 12:43:52 PM
https://twitter.com/brexitparty_uk/status/1222570396068827136 (https://twitter.com/brexitparty_uk/status/1222570396068827136)

Skip to the end. As Farage says goodbye he starts waving the UK flag. Then gets cut off because country flags are now VERBOTEN in the EU parliament.

Triggered by flags

 :dead

That was always a thing you moron. It's the parliament of the EU, not a place for each country to wave their little flags like a bunch of 5yo.

Have a look a the House of Commons, let me know if you spot some English, N. Irish, Welsh or Scottish flags around.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 29, 2020, 03:50:16 PM
Changes in Global Dissatisfaction with democracy (1990 - present)
(https://i.redd.it/joabtp0aipd41.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Occam on January 29, 2020, 05:38:22 PM
https://youtube.com/watch?v=1vZS1HxzNGw

Sad day for the UK, good day for the EU, which now has a chance to grow stronger.
A common defense initiative should come next.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Iraq N' Roll
Post by: Occam on January 29, 2020, 05:39:21 PM
Quote from: Nintex on January 29, 2020, 12:43:52 PM
https://twitter.com/brexitparty_uk/status/1222570396068827136 (https://twitter.com/brexitparty_uk/status/1222570396068827136)

Skip to the end. As Farage says goodbye he starts waving the UK flag. Then gets cut off because country flags are now VERBOTEN in the EU parliament.

Triggered by flags

 :dead

You are a moron.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: nachobro on January 29, 2020, 05:41:09 PM
triggered by the dutch

:dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Nintex on January 29, 2020, 06:28:47 PM
Quote from: Occam on January 29, 2020, 05:38:22 PM
A common defense initiative should come next.
It exists, it's called NATO and few of the EU countries spend the money on defense needed for its upkeep.
That's why a European defense initiative is a pipe dream. They can hardly keep it up with America footing more than half the bill and they couldn't get it done when Cameron was on board.
Countries like Germany and the Netherlands practically have all sorts of shortages in vehicles, planes and men. Our allies refer to the Dutch army as the 'beggars army'.
Von der Leyen is mostly known for neglecting and mismanaging Germany's armed forces when she was defense minister and she now leads the EU commission.

The only EU country spending generously on defense is Poland because they don't want to get sandwiched ever again.
For the others it's a very low priority. I imagine the French will hang Macron from the Eiffel tower if he cuts all their pensions so they can buy tanks to fight a Russian invasion that will never happen.

You will get your EU green deal, more women in the workplace quota's and additional refugee centers among the outer borders.
Because that's the platform these people have invested their political capital in. The EU has made itself mostly irrelevant when it comes to geopolitics and defense.
The right wing parties focus on new toys (F35's, aircraft carriers, missile systems). While the left wing party prefer pacifism. The Christians have always been in the middle of that divide.
The Netherlands already has a common defense with Germany. We've sold all the Leopards and rent our tanks from the Germans for exercises. :lol

Quote
Sad day for the UK, good day for the EU, which now has a chance to grow stronger.
It's a good day for both. The UK can finally stop moaning that everything is unfair to them and completely deregulate their banking sector like they always wanted.
The EU can move on as well. This divorce could've been settled right after the Brexit vote but the remain camp were just sore losers.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Raist on January 30, 2020, 09:50:35 AM
Ha yes, it couldn't be settled because of the "remain camp", not at all because of the Tory infighting with a large bunch of them finding May's deal totally unacceptable.

Only to then support Johnson when he changed absolutely nothing - in particular the "no fucking way we're not putting a border down the irish sea" sore point, which is now somehow A-OK. Not that they had any other option, mind you.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Nintex on January 30, 2020, 12:27:44 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 30, 2020, 09:50:35 AM
Ha yes, it couldn't be settled because of the "remain camp", not at all because of the Tory infighting with a large bunch of them finding May's deal totally unacceptable.

Only to then support Johnson when he changed absolutely nothing - in particular the "no fucking way we're not putting a border down the irish sea" sore point, which is now somehow A-OK. Not that they had any other option, mind you.
That's because part of the remain camp were the Tories who voted in parliament to carry out the result of the referendum but then backed out when they realized what it meant.
Boris basically had to purge the party top to bottom to get this over the finish line.

And yes also a bunch of people figured that it would be better to have no deal at all. But those were actually the minority until it went on for so long that more people moved to their "get this over with" column.
Including the President of France.  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Raist on January 30, 2020, 01:42:41 PM
Aren't you ever tired of talking out of your ass?

Am I going to need to slap you around again, like I did with your "we don't grow flowers in greenhouses lolz" bullshit?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Nintex on January 30, 2020, 01:50:35 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 30, 2020, 01:42:41 PM
Aren't you ever tired of talking out of your ass?

Am I going to need to slap you around again, like I did with your "we don't grow flowers in greenhouses lolz" bullshit?
Depends do you want to win the baited award 2020?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: shosta on January 30, 2020, 01:52:42 PM
Quote from: Nintex on January 30, 2020, 12:27:44 PM
That's because part of the remain camp were the Tories who voted in parliament to carry out the result of the referendum but then backed out when they realized what it meant.
Boris basically had to purge the party top to bottom to get this over the finish line.

And yes also a bunch of people figured that it would be better to have no deal at all. But those were actually the minority until it went on for so long that more people moved to their "get this over with" column.
Including the President of France.  :lol
The people who stalled Brexit were the leavers who gave May two constraints: they make their own rules from now on, and the UK's territorial sovereignty wouldn't be breached by some dual regime for Northern Ireland. It was impossible. May chose to keep the sovereignty and postpone the trade issue with the backstop. Boris Johnson and others rejected her four times.

When Boris Johnson got in he tried to play chicken with the EU and drive the country straight off a cliff until Parliament intervened and stopped him at the final hour. Realizing he had no other options, Johnson accepted the dual regime.

That is what happened. It had nothing to do with Remainers.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Raist on January 30, 2020, 01:52:43 PM
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/738/025/db0.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: shosta on January 30, 2020, 01:53:38 PM
However, Nintex is right that you're easily baited by r3tards
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Raist on January 30, 2020, 01:59:19 PM
Ho sorry, I thought threads like this one or others were supposed to contain factual information and stuff, not a pile of "hurr durr baited you with my dumb shite lololz".

But sure why not, sounds great. Proceed.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 30, 2020, 02:01:45 PM
Getting pretty close to altering Nintex's account so he can only post in one thread dedicated to his political hot takes and nowhere else
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: shosta on January 30, 2020, 02:03:11 PM
Can't you reverse leper him? Make it so he can't post in any of the political threads
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: nachobro on January 30, 2020, 02:03:40 PM
can you alter raist to not be such a whiny ho? imagine thinking a single thread here is to be taken seriously :lol

i enjoy nintex's historical fiction writings
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Raist on January 30, 2020, 02:05:11 PM
Quote from: nachobro on January 30, 2020, 02:03:40 PM
can you alter raist to not be such a whiny ho?

The irony :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: nachobro on January 30, 2020, 02:06:42 PM
i apologize for not being 100% serious at all time like yourself on the board with such important and serious topics as "Favorite Frank" and "What's the best way to illegally import hundreds of birds from a remote island?"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Nintex on January 30, 2020, 02:07:48 PM
I still agree to disagree.

There were remainers in the Tory party just as there were radical leavers.
The remainers tried for years to get a second referendum because they didn't like the outcome of the vote and some EU commission members favored that outcome as well.
In the end it was stalling that made Boris Prime Minister. Even though at some point he drove the knife in Theresa by himself by voting against her deal.  :lol

In any case the main argument was that leaving is super terrible for the UK, which I highly doubt given the fact that they spend most of their time holding back the EU train for the past 5 - 10 years.
That one comedy bit in which the Prime Minister explained that the Brits were only in the EU to stop the French and Germans from liking each-other is pretty much right on the money.
Not to mention the first course of action for the Germans and French was to take all if not most top EU jobs away from countries like The Netherlands. Which will bite them in the ass soon enough.

Anyway all of this could've been avoided. Literally the only thing the governments of most western nations needed to do, was to come together and hand out massive tax breaks and incentives to the middle classes.
But instead after they bailed out the banks they all went full climate and open borders to score woke points and merely angered the 'dumb' working classes. Who, as I said in the other thread could still vote.

And last but not least, I'm willing to debate things seriously and explain my point of view. And you may or may not agree. That is fine we don't all have to agree.
But you can also give your arguments for how you think things are instead of yelling I'm a liar.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: team filler on January 30, 2020, 02:08:25 PM
https://twitter.com/unknowgenius10/status/1222401881370218496
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: nachobro on January 30, 2020, 02:09:26 PM
why is it always a secret right wing plot? maybe it's just that macron is kind of a moron?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Raist on January 30, 2020, 02:17:31 PM
Quote from: nachobro on January 30, 2020, 02:06:42 PM
i apologize for not being 100% serious at all time like yourself on the board with such important and serious topics as "Favorite Frank" and "What's the best way to illegally import hundreds of birds from a remote island?"


Yeah, cause I only post super-seeriouz stuff at all times ::)

90% of the forum is shooting the shit, tongue in cheek, random lolz and whatnot.

Is it really impossible to have just a couple threads remain relatively free of random shite, ranging from "lolz baiiiited" to flat out disinformation?
If that doesn't bother you, then I'm not sure why you're complaining about me "being serious" either in any case dude.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Nintex on January 30, 2020, 02:19:30 PM
Quote from: nachobro on January 30, 2020, 02:09:26 PM
why is it always a secret right wing plot? maybe it's just that macron is kind of a moron?
I feel like at the bilderberg groups or the epstein islands whatever, the neo liberals just sit together in a room and brainstorm ideas of how to make people pissed at their governments with new insane policies that their friends in the press have to defend.
It's the only way I can explain most EU policy making from the last decade.

Also it's not like these policies caused the riots. They already had protests and riots and then they decided to reform the pensions as well because everyone was already pissed off anyway.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: shosta on January 30, 2020, 02:24:22 PM
Quote from: Nintex on January 30, 2020, 02:07:48 PM
There were remainers in the Tory party just as there were radical leavers.
There were 75 conservatives who voted against May's deal the second (or maybe third) time. If you look at those people I think you'll find that very few of them were Remainers. Only 3 Conservatives voted against Johnson's deal. The issue with May was that it wasn't a strong enough Brexit and she wasn't allowed to leave NI in the customs union (even though this was offered by the EU).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: nachobro on January 30, 2020, 02:35:40 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 30, 2020, 02:17:31 PM
Yeah, cause I only post super-seeriouz stuff at all times ::)

90% of the forum is shooting the shit, tongue in cheek, random lolz and whatnot.

Is it really impossible to have just a couple threads remain relatively free of random shite, ranging from "lolz baiiiited" to flat out disinformation?
If that doesn't bother you, then I'm not sure why you're complaining about me "being serious" either in any case dude.
cause you'll respond 100% of the time :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Nintex on January 30, 2020, 02:37:50 PM
Quote from: shosta on January 30, 2020, 02:24:22 PM
Quote from: Nintex on January 30, 2020, 02:07:48 PM
There were remainers in the Tory party just as there were radical leavers.
There were 75 conservatives who voted against May's deal the second (or maybe third) time. If you look at those people I think you'll find that very few of them were Remainers. Only 3 Conservatives voted against Johnson's deal. The issue with May was that it wasn't a strong enough Brexit and she wasn't allowed to leave NI in the customs union (even though this was offered by the EU).
It wasn't strong enough for some and not soft enough for others so it had no chance. Not to mention the guy who negotiated most of it dropped his support  :lol
Boris changed it every so slightly but enough to get it over the finish line but he still needed to replace a bunch of MP's with a new election and defeat the more liberal wing of his party to do it.

Anyway that's thankfully all behind us now and the EU tax payer won't have to pay Farage's MEP salary for another 20 years.  :yuck
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Nintex on January 30, 2020, 03:02:48 PM
I was wondering why "#Greece" was trending but apparently some MP tore up the Turkish flag and now the Ottomans want to drown all the Greeks.
https://twitter.com/milliyet/status/1222875093287809024 (https://twitter.com/milliyet/status/1222875093287809024)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: OnlyRegret on January 30, 2020, 03:15:33 PM
 :society

https://twitter.com/liz_franczak/status/1222643635994292224
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: team filler on January 30, 2020, 03:25:55 PM
https://twitter.com/ShitbagMcJones/status/1222652954731139073

 8)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: BisMarckie on January 30, 2020, 03:32:00 PM
Quote from: Nintex on January 30, 2020, 03:02:48 PM
I was wondering why "#Greece" was trending but apparently some MP tore up the Turkish flag and now the Ottomans want to drown all the Greeks.
https://twitter.com/milliyet/status/1222875093287809024 (https://twitter.com/milliyet/status/1222875093287809024)

#Yunanistan ? I like Final Fantasy X-2 as much as the next guy, but naming a state after its protagonist is a little bit much. :rodney
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: HardcoreRetro on January 30, 2020, 03:39:52 PM
What if they change the Y to a P?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: shosta on January 30, 2020, 03:40:11 PM
There's no "media blackout" of the French strikes, American news just completely ignores international news. I hear about it on The World.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: BisMarckie on January 30, 2020, 03:40:37 PM
Quote from: Esch on January 30, 2020, 03:36:24 PM
I can't support a state that stans Yuna over Lulu (the best girl). :camby


Lulu was my first and last hot goth gf. :expert
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: team filler on January 30, 2020, 03:49:36 PM
 :thinking yuna+lulu=lula  :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Nintex on January 30, 2020, 05:57:40 PM
Has Macron responded at all?

He usually makes a snide remark like they need to find jobs or something and flies to some other continent for a meeting.

I feel like the UN should do a 'swap world leader' day or something like those 'house wife swap' TV shows.
Make Macron the President of the US for a day, Merkel the President of China, Xi the President of Germany, Putin the leader of Belgium, Trump the President of France etc. .
Maybe people would better appreciate the leader that they have or realize they're all shit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 30, 2020, 06:28:23 PM
Quote from: shosta on January 30, 2020, 03:40:11 PM
There's no "media blackout" of the French strikes, American news just completely ignores international news. I hear about it on The World.

I mean its more this is just the french being the french.  Like when are they not protesting shit?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: kingv on January 31, 2020, 01:54:33 AM
I remember reading some things about Macron early on pointing out that he was roughly as popular in France  as Trump was in the US, I.e. not very.

He basically just failed up by running against a crazy person, and somehow thought that gave home a strong mandate.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: brawndolicious on January 31, 2020, 03:18:10 AM
Quote from: kingv on January 31, 2020, 01:54:33 AM
I remember reading some things about Macron early on pointing out that he was roughly as popular in France  as Trump was in the US, I.e. not very.

He basically just failed up by running against a crazy person, and somehow thought that gave home a strong mandate.

You're basically saying that Hillary Clinton should have had a dick.

Happy Brexit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Occam on January 31, 2020, 06:48:18 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/30/brexit-730000-britons-acquired-non-uk-eu-irish-passports-since-2016
Most are applying for Irish citizenship, followed by Germany, followed by Sweden and then France. Interestingly, only a handful are applying for Spanish passports despite 600,000 British people living there.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: NekoFever on January 31, 2020, 07:23:20 AM
Quote from: Occam on January 31, 2020, 06:48:18 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/30/brexit-730000-britons-acquired-non-uk-eu-irish-passports-since-2016
Most are applying for Irish citizenship, followed by Germany, followed by Sweden and then France. Interestingly, only a handful are applying for Spanish passports despite 600,000 British people living there.

Spain requires naturalised citizens to be able to speak Spanish and to have shown integration into Spanish culture, which precludes the Brits out there.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: VomKriege on January 31, 2020, 07:43:53 AM
Quote from: Nintex on January 30, 2020, 05:57:40 PM
Has Macron responded at all?

Quote from: Esch on January 30, 2020, 04:03:26 PM
This is like a Rammstein video :doge

https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1222213652822052866

The government just need to explain the reform more betterer.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: kingv on January 31, 2020, 08:05:34 AM
Quote from: brawndolicious on January 31, 2020, 03:18:10 AM
Quote from: kingv on January 31, 2020, 01:54:33 AM
I remember reading some things about Macron early on pointing out that he was roughly as popular in France  as Trump was in the US, I.e. not very.

He basically just failed up by running against a crazy person, and somehow thought that gave home a strong mandate.

You're basically saying that Hillary Clinton should have had a dick.

Happy Brexit.

She didn’t fail us, we failed her :usacry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Nintex on January 31, 2020, 08:10:11 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBq2kNse9l8

Brexit Day!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Occam on January 31, 2020, 10:55:09 AM
Amusing, but lacks a punchline. They took her for a ride (or rather, flight) and then did nothing with it.
Ironically throwing parties for nazis, that'll show them!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Raist on January 31, 2020, 04:15:00 PM
Quote from: NekoFever on January 31, 2020, 07:23:20 AM
Quote from: Occam on January 31, 2020, 06:48:18 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/30/brexit-730000-britons-acquired-non-uk-eu-irish-passports-since-2016
Most are applying for Irish citizenship, followed by Germany, followed by Sweden and then France. Interestingly, only a handful are applying for Spanish passports despite 600,000 British people living there.

Spain requires naturalised citizens to be able to speak Spanish and to have shown integration into Spanish culture, which precludes the Brits out there.

Same in France. Though I assume Brits speaking some sort of French might be a more common occurrence than for Spanish.

Funnily enough the level of French fluency required to be demonstrated as part of the naturalization process was recently increased - but it won't take effect till April.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Occam on January 31, 2020, 06:16:19 PM
So, Great Britain has left the EU. How long until it becomes Little Britain?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: benjipwns on January 31, 2020, 06:17:55 PM
Quote from: ExoYZA on January 30, 2020, 01:51:12 PM
Nice to see this thread turn into british parliament itself.
ExoYZA. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_(parliamentary_procedure))
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: benjipwns on January 31, 2020, 07:04:36 PM
https://twitter.com/moneillsf/status/1223381321503977476
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: shosta on January 31, 2020, 07:04:43 PM
Quote from: ExoYZA on January 31, 2020, 07:03:21 PM
?
He's removing you from parliament by naming you
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: benjipwns on January 31, 2020, 07:19:18 PM
Coincidentally, I just was randomly reading about all the British fascist/neo-Nazi parties and I might have found a more fractional and splitter based group than most countries Communists are. Also like every party since the 1930s was started by the same three dudes. And they all had affairs with each others fiances while each dude was in prison and shit like that. And they basically cycled through the same 200-300 followers in each group until the BNP changed in the 1990s. (Also they started dying off.)

One time George Lincoln Rockwell of the American Nazi Party told the one dude he should try backing off the race hatred a little if he wanted to garner more support than the tens of followers and the guy told him to fucccckkkkkk ooooffffoffffff back to the colonies.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: benjipwns on January 31, 2020, 07:23:48 PM
lol someone made this chart for Wikipedia and it's literally only one branch of the movement, so like a third of the groups:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/History_of_British_Fascism.png)

They briefly unified in their own National Front (ala the one in France) just for it to fall apart in a scandal regarding members using it as a front to have homosexual sex with each other.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: benjipwns on January 31, 2020, 07:27:00 PM
NIGEL FARAGE ON LOU WHAT THREAD DO I POST THIS IN

 :dobbs :dobbs :dobbs :dobbs
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Occam on January 31, 2020, 07:30:28 PM
PM directly to Nintex?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Nintex on January 31, 2020, 07:31:56 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 31, 2020, 07:27:00 PM
NIGEL FARAGE ON LOU WHAT THREAD DO I POST THIS IN

 :dobbs :dobbs :dobbs :dobbs

 :preach :bow :bow2 :gbcry :usacry thank you emperor Trump

https://twitter.com/LouDobbs/status/1223405314738917376 (https://twitter.com/LouDobbs/status/1223405314738917376)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Pissy F Benny on February 01, 2020, 04:18:12 AM
Feels pretty good to be free of the tyranny of the unelected eu this morning brehs :pimp

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Raist on February 01, 2020, 06:16:31 AM
Does it?

The tyranny just got worse, you're still under EU rules but have no representation anymore :umad
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Nintex on February 01, 2020, 06:46:01 AM
Quote from: BlueLithium on February 01, 2020, 04:18:12 AM
Feels pretty good to be free of the tyranny of the unelected eu this morning brehs :pimp
It seemed impossible but you did it and reclaimed your freedom from the cult.
After the overthrow of Berlusconi, neutering Greece and the sponsored coup in Ukraine it was pretty obvious the whole thing was steaming towards disaster.
Hopefully more countries will follow and a new alliance can be forged that looks out better for the interests of all of Europe and prevents yet another 'lost decade' of failed 5 year plans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTsD2FjmLsw

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: VomKriege on February 01, 2020, 02:09:41 PM
The French government and its majority at the assembly opposed and voted down a proposed law to extend leave for parents who lost their child from 5 to 12 days. After getting near immediate scorn from basically the whole political spectrum, Macron ordered them to backtrack this.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Raist on February 01, 2020, 02:23:03 PM
What kind of special moron do you have to be to vote against something like this :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: VomKriege on February 01, 2020, 02:24:50 PM
Quote from: Raist on February 01, 2020, 02:23:03 PM
What kind of special moron do you have to be to vote against something like this :lol

A Macronist apparently.  :brain
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Tripon on February 01, 2020, 02:25:21 PM
France's government is run by people who think running an increase in the gas tax wouldn't cause massive riots that will last for years.

It did.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: shosta on February 01, 2020, 02:39:25 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Poxj4Yg.png)

Between this and "Anyone but Trump? Not so fast." watching the NYT slowly ease itself into ethnonationalism is a hell of an experience
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Occam on February 01, 2020, 05:56:02 PM
Morons. But most of the readers who commented on the article seem to have a pretty astute view of what's going to happen to "Great" Britain next.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/01/world/europe/brexit-britain.html?action=click&module=News&pgtype=Homepage#commentsContainer

The only winners of Brexit are a few wealthy Britons and the European Union (and possibly Putin).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Nintex on February 01, 2020, 07:56:14 PM
I think both the UK and EU are going to 'win'.

The EU will realize it can not just run on autopilot in Brussels with the heads of the biggest German car makers but needs to engage the entire population of Europe for their plans.
It might even make them realize that some of their 5/10/20 year agendas do not benefit Europe at all and reform.

The UK gets to spend the money they've always wanted to spend without EU regulations holding them back.
They were never fully 100% with the EU ever since Gordon Brown kept the Pound in favor of the Euro.
Brexit is simply the logical conclusion of an ongoing process of the UK distancing itself from the German/France axis.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: team filler on February 01, 2020, 09:34:26 PM
https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1223778091753000960

 :girlaff
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Nintex on February 01, 2020, 09:37:47 PM
February 2020 - Rick Scott explains to Guaido that his sugar daddy John Bolton is no longer a friend of Trump and thus he is on his own, Colorized.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Raist on February 02, 2020, 09:18:24 AM
Those trade talks are already shaping up to go reaaaaally smoothly.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51345776

Quote
Boris Johnson is to say he won't accept alignment with EU rules when Britain negotiates a trade deal with Brussels.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Occam on February 02, 2020, 10:31:30 AM
(http://i.lvme.me/fzrtozl.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Nintex on February 02, 2020, 12:44:54 PM
It's just some bluster for the home front.
What Boris says and does is often the opposite.  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Ghoul on February 02, 2020, 12:57:30 PM
Being in London I’ve heard soms dumb as fuck things.
On that stuck out was “Well the EU is basically if the nazis has won WW2” also a pub had an British flag with fuck the EU and vote Brexit which my buddies and I scratched out using a sharpie then we got told to leave because we apparently destroyed a flag..... seriously considering moving back to the US as fuck the way this country is at the moment. It’s probably the most short sighted decision ever, bloody inbreeding in towns that will most likely lose the most jobs because the factories they work in will have to move into Europe so they can sell their goods without ridiculous tariffs. HP had to make a U.K. support centre for faults just so they can maintain their SLA targets, it’s just so stupid.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Raist on February 02, 2020, 01:36:01 PM
People have been lapping up 4 decades of random shite about the EU.

3.5 years after the bollocks pro-Brexit campaigns, and they're still repeating the "finally we can now make our own laws" "can't wait for the government to use those Ł350M per week on schools and the NHS" lines, etc etc :lol

They'll probably likewise gobble up whatever lies the Tories have lined up next to excuse their policies.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: kingv on February 02, 2020, 02:06:39 PM
It really depends on how resolute the EU is on sticking it to Britain. It will be bad for the EU, but Britain has way more to lose.

If the EU plays hardball enough the UK will be back hat in hand in 10 years begging the EU to let them trade according to EU rules.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Nintex on February 02, 2020, 02:15:20 PM
Quote from: kingv on February 02, 2020, 02:06:39 PM
It really depends on how resolute the EU is on sticking it to Britain. It will be bad for the EU, but Britain has way more to lose.

If the EU plays hardball enough the UK will be back hat in hand in 10 years begging the EU to let them trade according to EU rules.
All member states have to agree.
None of them want to ever be in the same position.

It'll mostly be business as usual with some perks for German car makers and others who pay their lobbyists well.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Ghoul on February 02, 2020, 02:22:17 PM
I mean we left but still using their laws for at least the next year...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Occam on February 02, 2020, 02:24:12 PM
Quote from: kingv on February 02, 2020, 02:06:39 PM
It really depends on how resolute the EU is on sticking it to Britain. It will be bad for the EU, but Britain has way more to lose.

If the EU plays hardball enough the UK will be back hat in hand in 10 years begging the EU to let them trade according to EU rules.

I certainly hope so. But whatever happens, the UK won't get access to the single market without following the rules and paying for it (like Norway, without having any say). A far as financial services are concerned, the EU absolutely won't tolerate London becoming "another Singapore", as I've heard some people claim. That notion if simply idiotic.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: shosta on February 02, 2020, 02:48:04 PM
Draft of Lebanese financial rescue plan promises "painful" steps (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-lebanon-crisis-plan-exclusive-idUSKBN1ZW0LJ)

Sounds like the citizens will lose pretty big (more cuts, more taxes). The government should pick Lebanese people over creditors.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: OnlyRegret on February 02, 2020, 04:30:54 PM
Nintex pumping up those agri exports numbers once again

https://twitter.com/thauma_idesthai/status/1223709264704831491
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: team filler on February 03, 2020, 04:08:10 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/V4NR3tj.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: shosta on February 03, 2020, 05:17:59 AM
When Fernandez was elected in Argentina he made it sound like he would not be as reckless as Kirchner and that he would work with international creditors to resolve the debt crisis. But two months in and basically nothing has happened.

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Last week, the ministry of finance published a new timeline for negotiations over the $100bn of international debt. Under this plan, the government will not provide a restructuring offer until the second week of March. This leaves creditors with just two weeks to respond if they are to meet the end of March deadline. Major creditors were “fuming” and may not “dignify the process with an answer”, the person added.

Most likely they will come to an agreement but they want Argentina to commit to spending cuts and a sustainable repayment plan. It just goes to show how inescapable a debt trap can be.

anyway death to the bankers
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: VomKriege on February 03, 2020, 05:31:57 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on February 01, 2020, 02:09:41 PM
The French government and its majority at the assembly opposed and voted down a proposed law to extend leave for parents who lost their child from 5 to 12 days. After getting near immediate scorn from basically the whole political spectrum, Macron ordered them to backtrack this.

Just a small detail I forgot to mention : disbelief at the government and support for extending the leave came from as far as the head and former head of the most-known CEO and business owners union.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: team filler on February 03, 2020, 06:12:10 AM
https://twitter.com/NegarMortazavi/status/1224050189612343296

 :pacspit :piss :swisscry :piss2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 03, 2020, 12:31:30 PM
Quote from: filler on February 03, 2020, 06:12:10 AM
https://twitter.com/NegarMortazavi/status/1224050189612343296

 :pacspit :piss :swisscry :piss2
I don't think the response is warranted.

Humanitarian supplies are exempt from US sanctions, but the sanctions deter institutions from doing business with Iran to get these supplies. The Swiss have created a channel to get around this. It's self serving, but without it Iran wouldn't be getting the supplies. Seems worthy of a photo-op. It only looks like a gift because of the country's flag.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Mandark on February 03, 2020, 12:36:01 PM
Switzerland's already famous for providing loopholes in the international financial system, nice to see it put to good use for once.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Nintex on February 03, 2020, 01:20:59 PM
Iran: We can't get any supplies because of orange man bad  :'(

Swiss: Let me help you fam  8)

Iran:  :rethread
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Nintex on February 03, 2020, 05:41:29 PM
what the hell is he talking about
https://twitter.com/jude5456/status/1224292272868675584 (https://twitter.com/jude5456/status/1224292272868675584)

how did his hair get worse.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Occam on February 03, 2020, 05:59:05 PM
Copying his orange master:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-news-journalists-walk-out-no-10-briefing-a9314996.html

Journalists walked out of a Downing Street briefing on Boris Johnson’s Brexit plans after the prime minister’s director of communications tried to restrict it to selected publications and broadcasters.

Among those boycotting the briefing were the BBC’s political editor Laura Kuenssberg and ITV’s Robert Peston.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: team filler on February 03, 2020, 06:49:48 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 03, 2020, 12:36:01 PM
Switzerland's already famous for providing loopholes in the international financial system, nice to see it put to good use for once.
besides that, never miss your chance to piss on a swiss  :success
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Raist on February 03, 2020, 07:56:04 PM
Ho, Kuenssberg is starting to wake up :lol
Bit too late though, innit love.

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1224325534903152645
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: benjipwns on February 04, 2020, 12:48:37 AM
huge if true
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: shosta on February 04, 2020, 12:51:59 AM
Quote from: Raist on February 03, 2020, 07:56:04 PM
Bit too late though, innit love.
Are French people allowed to say this? After Brexit no less?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Raist on February 04, 2020, 06:17:16 AM
Quote from: shosta on February 04, 2020, 12:51:59 AM
Quote from: Raist on February 03, 2020, 07:56:04 PM
Bit too late though, innit love.
Are French people allowed to say this? After Brexit no less?

I'll do whatever I want, bruv :hmph
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Pissy F Benny on February 04, 2020, 06:26:15 AM
sacre bleu
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Tripon on February 04, 2020, 09:34:07 PM
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An Israeli settler leader and supporter of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu accused senior White House adviser Jared Kushner of betraying the prime minister by slowing down the annexation of the West Bank.

David Elhayani, the chairman of the Yesha Council that manages more than 150 settlements, condemned Kushner for misleading Netanyahu after he endorsed President Trump’s Middle East peace plan, The Washington Post reported.

“Kushner took a knife and put it in Netanyahu’s back,” he told The Washington Post. “Kushner misled the prime minister. He misled everybody. He knew for a long time that Netanyahu wanted to declare sovereignty over the Jordan Valley and northern Dead Sea — he said it many times over the last year. Gentlemen just don’t act this way.”

Elhayani continued saying that Kushner, Trump's son-in-law, may cost the prime minister the March 2 election if he pushes back on annexing the settlements right away.

The settler leader said a senior U.S. official told them that if the Palestinians didn’t agree to the plan within 48 hours, Israel would be permitted to annex more than 30 percent of the West Bank.

“But something happened after that; they changed their minds,” he said, according to the Post.

https://thehill.com/policy/international/middle-east-north-africa/481441-israeli-settler-leader-kushner-took-a-knife-and

 :whatsthedeal
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: team filler on February 04, 2020, 10:36:28 PM
 :pacspit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: remy on February 05, 2020, 12:06:56 AM
Quote from: Nintex on February 03, 2020, 05:41:29 PM
what the hell is he talking about
https://twitter.com/jude5456/status/1224292272868675584 (https://twitter.com/jude5456/status/1224292272868675584)

how did his hair get worse.
  well fed nymphs :drool
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 05, 2020, 10:07:44 AM
Quote from: Tripon on February 04, 2020, 09:34:07 PM
Quote
An Israeli settler leader and supporter of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu accused senior White House adviser Jared Kushner of betraying the prime minister by slowing down the annexation of the West Bank.

David Elhayani, the chairman of the Yesha Council that manages more than 150 settlements, condemned Kushner for misleading Netanyahu after he endorsed President Trump’s Middle East peace plan, The Washington Post reported.

“Kushner took a knife and put it in Netanyahu’s back,” he told The Washington Post. “Kushner misled the prime minister. He misled everybody. He knew for a long time that Netanyahu wanted to declare sovereignty over the Jordan Valley and northern Dead Sea — he said it many times over the last year. Gentlemen just don’t act this way.”

Elhayani continued saying that Kushner, Trump's son-in-law, may cost the prime minister the March 2 election if he pushes back on annexing the settlements right away.

The settler leader said a senior U.S. official told them that if the Palestinians didn’t agree to the plan within 48 hours, Israel would be permitted to annex more than 30 percent of the West Bank.

“But something happened after that; they changed their minds,” he said, according to the Post.

https://thehill.com/policy/international/middle-east-north-africa/481441-israeli-settler-leader-kushner-took-a-knife-and

 :whatsthedeal

Hey, Israel...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNxPVj0hejg
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Nintex on February 05, 2020, 06:38:29 PM
Quote from: Esch on February 05, 2020, 05:34:07 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1225177109120933889
This whole episode sounds very German.
The far right 'won' by backing an establishment liberal.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: BisMarckie on February 05, 2020, 07:03:10 PM
Besides the fact that they wouldn't be able to form a working government, the nihilist in me finds the fact that the left party is absolutely seething becaues of the election of an by all accounts completely milquetoast FDP politician incredibly amusing.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Nintex on February 06, 2020, 07:28:45 PM
Quote from: Esch on February 06, 2020, 07:23:01 PM
https://twitter.com/theintercept/status/1225554155663654913
Brazilian judge is afraid of the Tuck  8)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: VomKriege on February 07, 2020, 10:48:02 AM
The Yellow Vests loved the idea of citizens being able to call referendums, so among the minimal pandering by Macron last year was adopted the possibility for members of parliament to launch official petitions to add items to the agenda of the National Assembly. The threshold is 10% of the voting population so over 4 millions signatures as of now. It's pretty extreme and probably was a guarantee it would never be used. Macron mused about lowering it to a million alongside his big constitutional reform he hoped for, but the latter has been shelved indefinitely.

The first of such, to force a second examination of the projected privatization of ADP ("Paris Airports" which also holds shares in many airports worldwide), was launched soon after and will expire a month from now.

It will never make it to 4,5m signatures but collected a million still. Opposition MPs, notably the Communists, are trying to leverage this into debates.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Nintex on February 07, 2020, 01:30:19 PM
https://twitter.com/TRTWorldNow/status/1225845429830549504 (https://twitter.com/TRTWorldNow/status/1225845429830549504)

https://twitter.com/bpolitics/status/1225842084818624512 (https://twitter.com/bpolitics/status/1225842084818624512)

Peace plan rejected, Jared:
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/57e5b1257bbfe74f1c6c7c49a067eb51/tenor.gif?itemid=8547403)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: kingv on February 07, 2020, 02:09:02 PM
I hate when you go to do a war crime, but the other guy is just annoying as shit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Nintex on February 08, 2020, 01:18:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvm3xeO1lA0

The best explanation of current political discourse I've seen in a while.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: team filler on February 08, 2020, 05:00:04 PM
https://twitter.com/HagaiElAd/status/1226172821052821504

 :larry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on February 09, 2020, 06:29:08 PM
looking like the conservatives in ireland are...finna fail, am i right guys? :rodney

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i know nothing about irish politics
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: BisMarckie on February 09, 2020, 06:32:15 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on February 09, 2020, 06:29:08 PM
i know nothing about irish politics

I just assume every politician is on the payroll of Big Butter.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: shosta on February 09, 2020, 06:45:10 PM
Source? Last I checked Fianna Fail hasn't ruled it out, Fine Gael has. Fianna Fail has formed governments with Labour before so it's entirely possible but it seems more likely both of the mainstream parties would prefer gridlock and keeping the status quo intact.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: shosta on February 09, 2020, 06:59:45 PM
Fianna Fail absolutely ruled out a coalition with Sinn Fein during the campaign but in the Guardian today:
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Asked if Fianna Fáil would now consider sharing power with Fine Gael or Sinn Féin, Martin appeared to leave the door ajar, citing a need for stability amid political fragmentation. “The country comes first … there is an onus and an obligation on all that such a functioning government is formed after this.”

Many in Fianna Fáil, stung by the backlash over their confidence-and-supply deal with Varadkar’s outgoing government, would prefer a deal with Sinn Féin than another centrist alliance.

so I guess they don't want to do it German style and fuck around with no government

I don't know Irish politics but everything seems possible here. Fianna Fail ran on solving the social crises and fairer government. Looking at the anti European climate and the growth of nationalist populism, another supply and confidence coalition with the center-right would be political suicide. If Sinn Fein can stomach very weak reforms then they might be able to put something together.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: benjipwns on February 09, 2020, 09:07:56 PM
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/elections/.premium-app-used-by-netanyahu-s-likud-leaks-israel-s-entire-voter-registry-1.8509696
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The Likud has uploaded the full register of Israeli voters to an application, causing the leak of personal data on 6,453,254 citizens. The information includes the full names, identity card numbers, addresses and gender of every single eligible voter in Israel, as well as the phone numbers and other personal details of some of them.

Israeli political parties receive personal details of voters before the elections and commit to protecting their privacy, as well as not to reproduce the registry, not to provide it to a third party, and to permanently erase all the information once the election is over.

The voter registry was uploaded by Likud to the Elector app, which is used by the party to manage Election Day. The firm that developed the application, Feed-b, commented that the vulnerability was a “one-off incident that was immediately dealt with," and that security measures have since been boosted.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: shosta on February 10, 2020, 12:17:54 AM
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Argentine Vice President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner said on Saturday that the government will not pay "even half a cent" of its debt back to the International Monetary Fund before the country has exited recession.

We're heading toward a :lawd year
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: OnlyRegret on February 10, 2020, 12:27:08 AM
fuck the IMF and fuck Strauss-Kahn with a fetid lump of cilantro, what it is good for
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 10, 2020, 09:55:50 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 09, 2020, 09:07:56 PM
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/elections/.premium-app-used-by-netanyahu-s-likud-leaks-israel-s-entire-voter-registry-1.8509696
Quote
The Likud has uploaded the full register of Israeli voters to an application, causing the leak of personal data on 6,453,254 citizens. The information includes the full names, identity card numbers, addresses and gender of every single eligible voter in Israel, as well as the phone numbers and other personal details of some of them.

Israeli political parties receive personal details of voters before the elections and commit to protecting their privacy, as well as not to reproduce the registry, not to provide it to a third party, and to permanently erase all the information once the election is over.

The voter registry was uploaded by Likud to the Elector app, which is used by the party to manage Election Day. The firm that developed the application, Feed-b, commented that the vulnerability was a “one-off incident that was immediately dealt with," and that security measures have since been boosted.

It's sad to see that the lessons of Iowa are being ignored.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Transhuman on February 10, 2020, 09:57:33 AM
Not another 6 million!

:stahp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: team filler on February 10, 2020, 02:18:18 PM
Quote from: Transhuman on February 10, 2020, 09:57:33 AM
Not another 6 million!

:stahp
6 million? ::)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Nintex on February 10, 2020, 03:05:01 PM
Quote from: kingv on February 07, 2020, 02:09:02 PM
I hate when you go to do a war crime, but the other guy is just annoying as shit.
Sounds like Russia is kinda / sorta dropping bombs on Turkish convoys now.  :doge

https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/1226958058003234820 (https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/1226958058003234820)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Transhuman on February 10, 2020, 03:13:30 PM
Quote from: filler on February 10, 2020, 02:18:18 PM
Quote from: Transhuman on February 10, 2020, 09:57:33 AM
Not another 6 million!

:stahp
6 million? ::)

(https://i.imgur.com/kTYPEfu.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: team filler on February 10, 2020, 04:18:44 PM
Quote from: Nintex on February 10, 2020, 03:05:01 PM
Quote from: kingv on February 07, 2020, 02:09:02 PM
I hate when you go to do a war crime, but the other guy is just annoying as shit.
Sounds like Russia is kinda / sorta dropping bombs on Turkish convoys now.  :doge

https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/1226958058003234820 (https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/1226958058003234820)
https://twitter.com/Syrian_MC/status/1226977658220818433
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Nintex on February 10, 2020, 06:40:33 PM
https://twitter.com/MoscowTimes/status/1226837337923104768 (https://twitter.com/MoscowTimes/status/1226837337923104768)

 :putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: team filler on February 10, 2020, 06:46:21 PM
now do one in libmerica with trump  ;)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Tripon on February 10, 2020, 09:34:44 PM
https://twitter.com/_janjerome/status/1227057197680455681
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: shosta on February 10, 2020, 11:37:24 PM
What's happening in Lebanon is so sad. This is like when the commodities slump threw Brazil back into the dark ages. People are reduced to foraging garbage to sell scrap metal. All because the debt must be honored.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: VomKriege on February 11, 2020, 04:05:40 PM
To be fair, we share a border.

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:lol
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Occam on February 11, 2020, 05:21:22 PM
Defense, not threat.
Defense of its (and everyone elses) safety by preventing the destruction of the green lung of the planet.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Raist on February 11, 2020, 06:36:33 PM
Come at us brehińos. We'll start launching Arianes horizontally :bolo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Occam on February 11, 2020, 07:13:01 PM
Shocking news!

Barnier tells UK: don't kid yourself about financial services deal
EU chief Brexit negotiator scotches hopes of special deal for City of London

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/11/barnier-tells-uk-dont-kid-yourself-about-financial-services-deal


More shocking news:

Ursula von der Leyen mocks Boris Johnson's stance on EU trade deal
European commission chief picks out contradictions in UK approach to post-Brexit deal

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/11/ursula-von-der-leyen-mocks-boris-johnsons-stance-on-eu-trade-deal

Get bent, dear brexiters.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: shosta on February 11, 2020, 07:15:31 PM
Quote from: Occam on February 11, 2020, 05:21:22 PM
Defense, not threat.
pre-emptive strike rhetoric :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Occam on February 11, 2020, 07:40:33 PM
Oh, and Von der Leyen said this last month:
"Britain cannot hope to get frictionless trade with the EU post-Brexit without ensuring freedom of movement of Europeans, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said Friday. “If there is no freedom of movement of people of course there can be no free movement of goods and services and capital"

So just like it was before, with the added bonus of Britain no longer having any say.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: shosta on February 11, 2020, 11:15:02 PM
Sad. If you can believe it the before and after photos in Syria are even worse. Just fuckin bombed out buildings for miles and miles. War is unforgivable.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Occam on February 12, 2020, 06:27:06 AM
Quote from: shosta on February 11, 2020, 07:15:31 PM
Quote from: Occam on February 11, 2020, 05:21:22 PM
Defense, not threat.
pre-emptive strike rhetoric :dead

What do you mean, preemptive? They are committing a crime against humanity (and the rest of the planet) by destroying the wrong Amazon right now. Preventing someone from killing you is self defense.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: benjipwns on February 12, 2020, 06:36:44 AM
I caused this when I spoke it into being. I also screwed up when I said the nativists/anti-immigrant people were going to start calling them invaders and using self-defense justifications too. At least those posts were never on The Bire but a now dead site.

edit: To be fair, I cheated on that latter one.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: OnlyRegret on February 12, 2020, 02:52:52 PM
I don't know what country he could be from to have such Brazilian hostility, Germany trounced Brazil where it mattered.  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: OnlyRegret on February 12, 2020, 02:54:23 PM
Quote from: Esch on February 11, 2020, 11:13:09 PM
:mjcry

https://twitter.com/Libya_En/status/1005449858646495241

The destruction of a nation at the behest of American friends and interests ran under the arc of liberation propaganda is depressing as usual, but on the plus side mans looking sharp and nice glow-up from childhood.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: shosta on February 12, 2020, 03:30:53 PM
Quote from: Occam on February 12, 2020, 06:27:06 AM
What do you mean, preemptive? They are committing a crime against humanity (and the rest of the planet) by destroying the wrong Amazon right now. Preventing someone from killing you is self defense.
WE MUST LIBERATE FALLUJAH
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: BisMarckie on February 12, 2020, 03:37:27 PM
I can see the headlines already:
Forums poster kills Brazilian trucker, claims self-defense :mjcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: OnlyRegret on February 12, 2020, 03:40:15 PM
it wasn't liberal truckers but the Brazilians all along that hated our freedom
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: BisMarckie on February 12, 2020, 03:42:26 PM
I came to the Bore for the shitposts, but stayed for the unfilitered eco fascism :klob
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: BisMarckie on February 12, 2020, 03:45:36 PM
Controversial take here, but maybe we should solve our own climate issues first before we go on a colonialism revival tour. :hmm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: shosta on February 12, 2020, 03:50:16 PM
You are suggesting blackshirts march on DC before they colonize Brazil? :ohhh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: nachobro on February 12, 2020, 03:50:24 PM
who could have guessed the pro-eugenics autist would want to invade a country because trees :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Occam on February 12, 2020, 04:13:58 PM
Why do I even engage.
80 years ago, you folks probably would have been Hitler-appeasers arguing against intervention.
Because deposing fascists to prevent genocide (or ecocide) apparently is fascism, too, or something.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: nachobro on February 12, 2020, 04:17:07 PM
its a bummer that twitter really killed off godwin's law, no one respects the tenets of internet etiquette anymore
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: shosta on February 12, 2020, 04:20:35 PM
Quote from: Occam on February 12, 2020, 04:13:58 PM
Why do I even engage.
80 years ago, you folks probably would have been Hitler-appeasers arguing against intervention.
Because deposing fascists to prevent genocide (or ecocide) apparently is fascism, too, or something.
what do you mean "you people"?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: BisMarckie on February 12, 2020, 04:22:28 PM
Who will lead this invasion? The US? The UN? NATO?
Let's just assume Russia and China agree to a US led military intervention, how many people are you willing to sacrifice? :lol


If people really cared about the Amazon Rain Forest, they would just buy massive amounts of land for more money than destroying it brings in.
The capitalist system works :success
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: OnlyRegret on February 12, 2020, 04:25:20 PM
I had lite eco-fascist feelings, encouraged by the circumstances (living somewhere where pinning environmental issues on China by people with big consumption is norm), but realized maybe harassing foreign nations for effectively outsourced pollution is unfair. That and even the plastics stat I bought into I now have second thoughts given the trade of wastes is a big thing and maybe the supposed plastics responsible nations need to settle the fuck down.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: OnlyRegret on February 12, 2020, 04:26:33 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on February 12, 2020, 04:22:28 PM
Who will lead this invasion? The US? The UN? NATO?
Let's just assume Russia and China agree to a US led military intervention, how many people are you willing to sacrifice? :lol


If people really cared about the Amazon Rain Forest, they would just buy massive amounts of land for more money than destroying it brings in.
The capitalist system works :success

I know this is facetious but I just wanted to plug this.

(https://i.redd.it/pmrhfdevlwq31.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: curly on February 12, 2020, 04:27:48 PM
Quote from: Occam on February 12, 2020, 04:13:58 PM
Why do I even engage.
80 years ago, you folks probably would have been Hitler-appeasers arguing against intervention.
Because deposing fascists to prevent genocide (or ecocide) apparently is fascism, too, or something.

Bless this terrible post
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: OnlyRegret on February 12, 2020, 04:28:25 PM
Quote from: Esch on February 12, 2020, 04:26:40 PM
* a bunch of IMF and NATO guys in a room somewhere *

Guy 1: We must depose Jair Bolsonaro. He is doing too good of a job at crushing social democratic opposition.
Guy 2: Yes, yes... He is making it too easy for us to get access to territory in the Amazon for mining and agricultural purposes... Yes...
Guy 3: So we're in agreement then. We will arm and fund leftist rebels helmed by largely indigenous populations to storm Brasília and institute environmental reform even though it directly contradicts our economic interests. Guy 4 already has the media push ready. All in favor?

Guys: Accord *snaps fingers*

This is unironically beautiful.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Occam on February 12, 2020, 04:37:02 PM
Quote from: nachobro on February 12, 2020, 04:17:07 PM
its a bummer that twitter really killed off godwin's law, no one respects the tenets of internet etiquette anymore

You kind of invoked Godwin's law yourself when you trollingly equated population growth control and eugenics (I know, Galton, but close enough). ;)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Nintex on February 12, 2020, 04:41:41 PM
* Meanwhile at The White House *

"Donald! There's an environmental disaster brewing in Brazil. Jair must stop illegal Amazon logging before we can no longer save the Trump Doral from a flood.... I would send Rudy but..."

"Don't worry Jared. I'll call that Bolsodrunko and get him to stop. He loves me. We're like the Blues Brothers but better"

"Jayhere? Jayhere? Can you hear me?  How's the wife, you still cheating? .... I'm sorry honey, don't cry. he still loves you probably.... put your husband on the phone now please"

"Look you have to stop logging amazons I understand they might be a 7 or an 8 but really it's bad for the environment. I enjoyed Wonder Woman a lot too but Jared says you really need to stop before something bad happens. We can't let Bezos of the Fake News Amazon Post get away with it, Ok?"

"Mr. Trump? this is Mr Bolsonaro housekeeper, I am very sorry, Mr Bolsonaro just fell down flight of stairs with glass of whiskey and really badly hurt"

"Don't worry about it Corona! BYE!"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: OnlyRegret on February 12, 2020, 04:42:52 PM
So, clear the air Occam, what exactly is your stance on eugenics and population control?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Occam on February 12, 2020, 04:46:56 PM
Wasn't I clear before? Eugenics is nonsense, both scientifically and ethically. Population growth control is imperative for the survival of the species and planet.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: OnlyRegret on February 12, 2020, 04:53:20 PM
The farthest I can get on board with eugenics tend to be for stamping out severe genetically inherited conditions.
Not sterilization just gene therapy, gene editing ideally.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I just want people to be able to raise healthy kids without being cursed by factors beyond their control.
:stahp
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Occam on February 12, 2020, 05:20:29 PM
It's a slippery slope. Eugenics is the idea that you can (and should) increase the "quality" (who decides what constitutes "quality"?) of the gene pool.
Of course you don't want anyone to suffer or die prematurely. On the other hand, you absolutely don't want tailor made humans.
And from an evolutionary perspective, you never know which mutation could lead to which other mutation in the future that could prove to be extremely beneficial (or even essential) for human survival. Eugenics effectively ends evolution and freezes us in time.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Nintex on February 12, 2020, 05:31:48 PM
Eugenics means you're only left with the best people.  :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: OnlyRegret on February 12, 2020, 05:37:55 PM
Quote from: Nintex on February 12, 2020, 05:31:48 PM
Eugenics means you're only left with the best people.  :trumps

Then why are the proponents always for sure filtered out types :smug
Checkmate d*tchman
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: nachobro on February 12, 2020, 05:40:39 PM
can we breed out dutch directness from the bloodline?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Occam on February 12, 2020, 05:40:50 PM
By the way, that's why Nazi racial theory is so dumb (aside from the fact that there are no separate human races): You want a diverse gene pool. You don't want a fucking monoculture where one single disease could wipe out the entire species.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: OnlyRegret on February 12, 2020, 05:43:06 PM
Quote from: nachobro on February 12, 2020, 05:40:39 PM
can we breed out dutch directness from the bloodline?

Hang on, maybe this eugenics need a second consideration  :ohhh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Nintex on February 12, 2020, 05:47:32 PM
Quote from: Occam on February 12, 2020, 05:40:50 PM
By the way, that's why Nazi racial theory is so dumb (aside from the fact that there are no separate human races): You want a diverse gene pool. You don't want a fucking monoculture where one single disease could wipe out the entire species.
I wanted to post a picture of sad Xi Jinping in response but then Google throws a 500 error.

GOOGLE COWARDS  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: team filler on February 12, 2020, 06:08:31 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/3CeWm6r.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: jorma on February 12, 2020, 06:19:32 PM
Quote from: Occam on February 12, 2020, 04:13:58 PM
Why do I even engage.
80 years ago, you folks probably would have been Hitler-appeasers arguing against intervention.
Because deposing fascists to prevent genocide (or ecocide) apparently is fascism, too, or something.

"The German countryside Brazilian rainforest must be preserved under all circumstances, for it is and has forever been the source of strength and greatness of our people." -- Adolf Hitler

 :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: OnlyRegret on February 12, 2020, 07:31:50 PM
why you frogs gotta be such creeps  :pacspit

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/07/world/europe/france-pedophilia-gabriel-matzneff.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_petition_against_age_of_consent_laws
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: benjipwns on February 12, 2020, 07:33:44 PM
Quote from: Occam on February 12, 2020, 04:13:58 PM
Why do I even engage.
80 years ago, you folks probably would have been Hitler-appeasers arguing against intervention.
Because deposing fascists to prevent genocide (or ecocide) apparently is fascism, too, or something.
Who preemptively went to war with Nazi Germany with the declared goal of deposing the Nazis for any reason, let alone to stop genocide?

Czechoslovakia: invaded
Poland: invaded
France: declared war over Poland, invaded
Britain: declared war over Poland, "invaded"
Soviet Union: invaded
United States: Germany declared war after ally attacked

Even Italy was more "in the way" than anything else.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 12, 2020, 07:39:54 PM
Quote from: Nintex on February 12, 2020, 05:47:32 PM
Quote from: Occam on February 12, 2020, 05:40:50 PM
By the way, that's why Nazi racial theory is so dumb (aside from the fact that there are no separate human races): You want a diverse gene pool. You don't want a fucking monoculture where one single disease could wipe out the entire species.
I wanted to post a picture of sad Xi Jinping in response but then Google throws a 500 error.

GOOGLE COWARDS  :lol

(https://i.imgur.com/RPj4Sl3.jpg?1)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: BisMarckie on February 12, 2020, 07:43:22 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 12, 2020, 07:33:44 PM

Who preemptively went to war with Nazi Germany with the declared goal of deposing the Nazis for any reason, let alone to stop genocide?

Czechoslovakia: invaded
Poland: invaded
France: declared war over Poland, invaded
Britain: declared war over Poland, "invaded"
Soviet Union: invaded
United States: Germany declared war after ally attacked

Even Italy was more "in the way" than anything else.
FACT CHECK: San Marino declared war on the German Reich in 1915 and never signed a peace treaty, they knew the Germans were up to no good.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: benjipwns on February 12, 2020, 07:47:50 PM
It seems Andorra and Costa Rica never ended their wars with the German Empire either.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: BisMarckie on February 12, 2020, 07:49:30 PM
Given the state of the German army these days thanks in part to von der Leyen, Andorra might invade any day now. :rodney
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: benjipwns on February 12, 2020, 07:50:19 PM
Quote
Montenegro declared war in support of Russia but Montenegro lacked a navy or any other means to engage Japan. After Montenegro (independent in 1904, but united with Serbia by 1918) had voted in 2006 to resume its independence, it concluded a separate peace treaty in order to establish diplomatic relations with Japan. See Japan–Montenegro relations.
suck ups
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Occam on February 12, 2020, 08:04:58 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 12, 2020, 07:33:44 PM
Quote from: Occam on February 12, 2020, 04:13:58 PM
Why do I even engage.
80 years ago, you folks probably would have been Hitler-appeasers arguing against intervention.
Because deposing fascists to prevent genocide (or ecocide) apparently is fascism, too, or something.
Who preemptively went to war

The crime against humanity that is the destruction of the Amazon is currently in progress. Stopping it from progressing further is not "preemptive".
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: benjipwns on February 12, 2020, 08:15:11 PM
What, exactly, is your proposal here? Are you proposing the elimination of Brazil's national sovereignty for the foreseeable future? What states are you calling on to engage in this extensive military invasion and occupation of one of the largest nations on Earth?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: OnlyRegret on February 12, 2020, 08:31:38 PM
looks wild, I'm in

(https://cdn-ed.versobooks.com/blog_posts/000003/932/Posadist_meme-.png)

(https://pics.me.me/file-hide-1470943344641-jpg-48-03-kb-793x733-793-733-posadism-hoxhaism-jpg-3-24169420.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: benjipwns on February 12, 2020, 08:39:08 PM
Quote from: Stro on February 12, 2020, 08:19:01 PM
He's talking about amazon.com breh
I don't think they have a military. Yet.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: OnlyRegret on February 12, 2020, 08:41:27 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 12, 2020, 08:39:08 PM
Quote from: Stro on February 12, 2020, 08:19:01 PM
He's talking about amazon.com breh
I don't think they have a military. Yet.

They've teched up to hurtle straight to the drone tree. They'll ramp up unit production afterwards.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: shosta on February 12, 2020, 08:55:25 PM
The IMF is in Argentina now. It's clear that Fernandez literally has no plan and is trying to bullshit his way into a debt extension. Bold strategy  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: benjipwns on February 12, 2020, 08:58:24 PM
Going to offer the Amazon and the Falklands as collateral.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: shosta on February 12, 2020, 09:01:32 PM
offering the Amazon, a rainforest no portion of which lies in Argentina, would be an equally bold strategy
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 12, 2020, 09:20:21 PM
offering the Falklands, an island group which has never belonged to Argentia except for a few years no one cares about, would be an equally equally bold strategy
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: shosta on February 12, 2020, 09:21:17 PM
They could offer to stop trying to take it over
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: OnlyRegret on February 12, 2020, 09:37:12 PM
LAS MALVINAS SON ARGENTINAS
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: BisMarckie on February 13, 2020, 10:24:55 AM
Italian campanilismo is truly crazy, but Greek nationalism is missing in that list. The Macedonia issue, still claiming Illyria after over 2000 years, the Greeks still try to revive ancient Greece. :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: nachobro on February 13, 2020, 10:32:01 AM
(https://preview.redd.it/27yg3pl1vbg41.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=6e3c00d79a71bad7bef2bd805d69f23eca371063)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: EchoRin on February 13, 2020, 04:40:29 PM
https://twitter.com/Dennes/status/1227861495381446656

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: OnlyRegret on February 13, 2020, 07:43:11 PM
belgium is also not a real country
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: shosta on February 13, 2020, 07:51:40 PM
Quote from: EchoRin on February 13, 2020, 04:40:29 PM
https://twitter.com/Dennes/status/1227861495381446656

 :lol
Only the criminals and the bums would be against what Franco Bolsonaro is doing!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: VomKriege on February 14, 2020, 03:30:53 AM
Don't forget college intellectual truck drivers.

Edit : That's some word filter. :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Brexit Ratified
Post by: Occam on February 14, 2020, 03:37:32 AM
By the way, shouldn't the topic be updated? Brexit wasn't just ratified, it happened two weeks ago. Britain has left the European Union.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Occam on February 14, 2020, 09:47:57 AM
That's better.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on February 14, 2020, 01:04:25 PM
https://twitter.com/OVargas52/status/1228309941175320577

 :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 14, 2020, 01:50:42 PM
Fade into Bolivian
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: OnlyRegret on February 14, 2020, 07:51:17 PM
https://twitter.com/VictoriaLIVE/status/1227899028391763968
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Raist on February 15, 2020, 04:25:58 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-eu-airport-queue-immigration-brexiteer-amsterdam-airport-schiphol-a9335281.html


Quote
“Absolutely disgusting service at Schiphol airport. 55 minutes we have been stood in the immigration queue. This isn’t the Brexit I voted for,” he wrote on Twitter.


 :pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: shosta on February 15, 2020, 04:40:46 AM
Quote
The Cayman Islands, a British overseas territory, is to be put on an EU blacklist of tax havens, less than two weeks after the UK’s withdrawal from the bloc.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Occam on February 15, 2020, 07:29:42 AM
https://youtube.com/watch?v=tKdcjJoXeEY
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Pissy F Benny on February 15, 2020, 09:31:34 AM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on February 14, 2020, 07:51:17 PM
https://twitter.com/VictoriaLIVE/status/1227899028391763968

and people say the people who believe in the development and protection of a Jewish nation have no control over anything  :pacspit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on February 15, 2020, 01:42:30 PM
 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: VomKriege on February 15, 2020, 02:29:22 PM
Benjamin Griveaux, who served in Macron's cabinets and ran as the presidential party candidate in Paris for the mayor office (currently held by Socialists), rescinded his candidature after a masturbation video surfaced some days ago. The details are a bit murky, we don't know it's his dick (the media has decided on using "video of a sexual nature" without more details) but just leaving the race without a fight would suggest it is, that's something he sent to a woman he was consensually exchanging with reportedly (he's married), apparently it was leaked by a Russian "artist and activist" (he was arrested today for an alleged fight in a bar, he also tried to torch the facade of a bank to make a point some time ago) because he loathed the hypocrisy of the candidate. AFAIK it's not clear how he got ahold of the video.

Macron's party already had to contend with a dissident candidate (eccentric mathematician Villani) and polling indicates Griveaux was trailing behind incumbent Anne Hidalgo and the right-wing candidate Rachida Dati before the whole hubbub.

Punditry and media seem to fall squarely on the "unbecoming in a democracy, breach of privacy, mobs 2.0 are frightening" side of the argument.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: shosta on February 15, 2020, 02:33:30 PM
That's an extremely weird take from the commentariat because if issues of decorum and ethics are still disqualifying, that means your nation is far, far away from the complete unraveling of civil society. Over here our sexual miscreants just keep running, esp. for president!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Occam on February 15, 2020, 02:34:51 PM
Is the word "Jews" changed to "fillers" now?

Edit: nope.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: OnlyRegret on February 15, 2020, 02:39:41 PM
think of something more ziony
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on February 15, 2020, 02:41:16 PM
the cabal  :stahp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: VomKriege on February 15, 2020, 02:59:06 PM
Quote from: shosta on February 15, 2020, 02:33:30 PM
That's an extremely weird take from the commentariat because if issues of decorum and ethics are still disqualifying, that means your nation is far, far away from the complete unraveling of civil society. Over here our sexual miscreants just keep running, esp. for president!

French press have always (well not always, certainly since post war I guess) been very cautious (some might say slavishly deferential) with regards to the privacy of political figures. And honestly I would say most people here kinda shrug at most of that stuff. The potentially explosive bit of that dick video, IMHO, would be if it turned out the recipient wasn't as comfortable and consensual with it than currently assumed.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: OnlyRegret on February 15, 2020, 03:15:03 PM
brits explain, this isn't even the first tweet or 5 I saw lately complaining about your people

https://twitter.com/Ghanasfinestx/status/1227977206846164992

https://twitter.com/cjtruth/status/1217896621029101568
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Pissy F Benny on February 15, 2020, 03:18:48 PM
Only thing I can think of is a load of our dirty old nonces moving to Thailand but does that count as third world?  :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: OnlyRegret on February 15, 2020, 03:20:33 PM
Thinking about it, your politicians, royalty, and that BBC hotshot, what predisposes the perfidious albion to abuse children locally and abroad (imperialistically)?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: VomKriege on February 15, 2020, 03:22:16 PM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on February 15, 2020, 03:15:03 PM
brits explain, this isn't even the first tweet or 5 I saw lately complaining about your people

https://twitter.com/Ghanasfinestx/status/1227977206846164992

I suspect that, too, is not part of "Brexit I voted for !"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: VomKriege on February 15, 2020, 03:41:20 PM
Quote from: Stro on February 15, 2020, 03:38:09 PM
eccentric mathematician and Bond Villani

(https://i.imgur.com/UN1liYL.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: EchoRin on February 15, 2020, 05:53:59 PM
Amir0x would fit in well with all these other British pedos once he's out of pound me in the ass prison.

Fuck sex tourism. Especially child sex tourism.

edit: I wonder if filler will take away that like now that I added "fuck sex tourism" into my post.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on February 15, 2020, 08:17:25 PM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on February 15, 2020, 03:20:33 PM
Thinking about it, your politicians, royalty, and that BBC hotshot, what predisposes the perfidious albion to abuse children locally and abroad (imperialistically)?
Just be glad we don't understand any of this and hope that all these fuckers die in a fire somehow  :donot
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: OnlyRegret on February 15, 2020, 08:57:28 PM
Quote from: Nintex on February 15, 2020, 08:17:25 PM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on February 15, 2020, 03:20:33 PM
Thinking about it, your politicians, royalty, and that BBC hotshot, what predisposes the perfidious albion to abuse children locally and abroad (imperialistically)?
Just be glad we don't understand any of this and hope that all these fuckers die in a fire somehow  :donot

your kind is a different, digital blight
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on February 16, 2020, 04:12:54 PM
https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1229135314746331136

(https://i.imgur.com/V6xKqR0.jpg) :salute :playa
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on February 16, 2020, 04:23:21 PM
Assad cheated though, Turkish convoys got bombed by Russia.
The match was very unbalanced because of those Russian spawn killers.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: VomKriege on February 17, 2020, 06:13:51 AM
So apparently the dick video was sent to the current partner of the Russian artist who leaked it. The timeline is a bit confusing, the videos may date back from 2018, before the recepient was in a relationship with Pavlenski. Griveaux filed a complaint for "breach of privacy". Media seem to implicate a lawyer too in some sort of activist cabal run amok (which seems a bit grandiose a description, honestly). The Paris prosecution office is refusing that he represents Pavlenski (the bar must examine this).

Agnčs Buzyn has been chosen as the new candidate for the mayor election in Paris, leaving her position as Minister of Health in the government. She's replaced by a Macronist MP with a neurology background.

I guess it means all front runners for Paris city hall are women now, so... Trust the progress ?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Pissy F Benny on February 17, 2020, 09:16:20 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/17/no-10-refuses-to-comment-on-pms-views-of-racial-iq

This shit is fucking wild  :mindblown
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: kingv on February 17, 2020, 11:16:53 AM
But Corbyn is anti-Semitic!

This guy is like the edgiest fucking conservative in your college classes.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Pissy F Benny on February 17, 2020, 11:40:49 AM
That yer man hasn’t been sacked and hung out to dry by now is fucking mental  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on February 17, 2020, 02:12:08 PM
https://twitter.com/MattZeitlin/status/1229461880080674819 (https://twitter.com/MattZeitlin/status/1229461880080674819)

It took the media over 4 years but they finally figured it out.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Pissy F Benny on February 17, 2020, 05:11:51 PM
Nintex is my political pundit of choice tbf :pimp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: BisMarckie on February 17, 2020, 08:56:42 PM
First reply

https://twitter.com/TheOzean/status/1229400129456746499

*serbianeaglecry.png*
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on February 18, 2020, 05:59:33 AM
Quote from: Nintex on February 16, 2020, 04:23:21 PM
Assad cheated though, Turkish convoys got bombed by Russia.
The match was very unbalanced because of those Russian spawn killers.
https://twitter.com/AWAKEALERT/status/1229721659189297152
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Occam on February 18, 2020, 08:54:39 AM
As expected, the EU has added the first British territory to its tax haven blacklist today (Cayman Islands). Seychelles and Panama were added, too. They will now face sanctions. Turkey was given one more year to fully comply (=share data with all 27 EU member states).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: VomKriege on February 19, 2020, 05:30:29 AM
It's that moment again, that seems to happen for every French President since Sarkozy : Macron wants to fight "Islamist separatism" which is a new, pretty alarmist, way to put it. Apparently will involve, among other things, cracking down on foreign-sponsored imams and teachers (the latter was part of a bunch of deals done in the 70's with some countries to facilitate school attendance and education for migrant workers).

The pension reform that spawned sustained strikes has started being discussed at the Assembly. The left is trying to delay it by flooding amendments in.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on February 19, 2020, 06:17:19 PM
https://twitter.com/jenanmoussa/status/1230248300043001857 (https://twitter.com/jenanmoussa/status/1230248300043001857)

 :birb

Russian air force dropping more bombs on the Turk'men' just after Erdogan says he's seriously going go send in his 'real' army to Idlib this time.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 20, 2020, 12:32:19 AM
Why does the UK think it will get a good deal with the EU?

EU has 8x the population and 7x the gdp

It's very much a paperweight vs a heavyweight

I don't see their leverage, not to mention the City, which is where the UK makes money is completely dependent on access to the EU.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Tripon on February 20, 2020, 01:20:31 AM
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1230375784575045635
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: OnlyRegret on February 20, 2020, 01:25:27 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/feb/20/hanau-shootings-dead-after-attack-german-town-shisha-frankfurt-updates
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Occam on February 20, 2020, 10:38:13 AM
Merkel: "Racism is a poison."
Trump: "There are fine people on both sides."

What a contrast.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on February 20, 2020, 03:12:20 PM
https://twitter.com/MaxAbrahms/status/1230583324986531840

aloha queen tried to tell y'all  :kermit "bu bu bu... the kurds and moderate rebels!"  :mueller
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Occam on February 21, 2020, 06:04:17 AM
The rest of the world is preparing for four more years of Trump

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-the-rest-of-the-world-is-reacting-to-the-democratic-primary/2020/02/20/ef63f916-5420-11ea-929a-64efa7482a77_story.html

Some nonsense about Sanders in the article, but some interesting facts, too.

Quote
This concern about a United States adrift from its traditional leadership role was evident last weekend at the Munich Security Conference. German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier spoke for many at the conference when he complained: “Our closest ally, the United States of America, under the current administration, rejects the very concept of the international community.”

Europeans are realizing, too, that the United States’ turn inward goes much deeper than Trump. Steinmeier bemoaned Trump’s retreat from transatlantic ties, but he recognized, “We know that this shift began a while ago, and it will continue even after this administration.”

A former top national security official in Republican and Democratic administrations summed up the implications of the U.S. political morass for foreign allies: “They understand now that waiting it out is not a good strategy. They know that the backstop is no longer there.”

Europeans feel a nostalgia for the old order, summed up in the “Westlessness” theme of the Munich conference. But there’s opportunism, too — a desire to expand influence as America’s contracts. You could see the gleam in the eye of French President Emmanuel Macron as he discussed onstage with Wolfgang Ischinger, the conference’s chairman, the possibility that Germany might soon look to France’s nuclear deterrent, rather than depending solely on U.S. pledges.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Ghoul on February 21, 2020, 09:25:13 AM
google revoking GDPR on the UK and they'll fall into US data protection rape laws

:|

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-google-privacy-eu-exclusive/exclusive-google-users-in-uk-to-lose-eu-data-protection-sources-idUSKBN20D2M3 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-google-privacy-eu-exclusive/exclusive-google-users-in-uk-to-lose-eu-data-protection-sources-idUSKBN20D2M3)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 21, 2020, 09:35:53 AM
FREEDOM FROM EU PRIVACY TYRANNY
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Ghoul on February 21, 2020, 10:52:44 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on February 21, 2020, 09:35:53 AM
FREEDOM FROM EU PRIVACY TYRANNY

:stop
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on February 21, 2020, 02:07:15 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/20/us-may-be-close-peace-deal-afghanistan-here-are-3-big-takeaways/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/20/us-may-be-close-peace-deal-afghanistan-here-are-3-big-takeaways/)

I hope the Talibanana's get to suffer having to be present at the Trump press conference victory speech.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Momo on February 23, 2020, 01:48:32 PM
Quote from: BlueLithium on February 15, 2020, 03:18:48 PM
Only thing I can think of is a load of our dirty old nonces moving to Thailand but does that count as third world?  :trumps
Things are fucked man, in both Thailand and Bali pimps came up to me to offer their catalogue, and the more I would say no they younger they would go, I felt sick man.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: OnlyRegret on February 23, 2020, 03:00:07 PM
Quote from: Momo on February 23, 2020, 01:48:32 PM
Quote from: BlueLithium on February 15, 2020, 03:18:48 PM
Only thing I can think of is a load of our dirty old nonces moving to Thailand but does that count as third world?  :trumps
Things are fucked man, in both Thailand and Bali pimps came up to me to offer their catalogue, and the more I would say no they younger they would go, I felt sick man.

That insistent? Lmao, you giving off bad vibes in SEA or something  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on February 24, 2020, 02:16:23 AM
https://twitter.com/monaeltahawy/status/1231664046954467333

 :tocry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Momo on February 24, 2020, 08:08:02 AM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on February 23, 2020, 03:00:07 PM
Quote from: Momo on February 23, 2020, 01:48:32 PM
Quote from: BlueLithium on February 15, 2020, 03:18:48 PM
Only thing I can think of is a load of our dirty old nonces moving to Thailand but does that count as third world?  :trumps
Things are fucked man, in both Thailand and Bali pimps came up to me to offer their catalogue, and the more I would say no they younger they would go, I felt sick man.

That insistent? Lmao, you giving off bad vibes in SEA or something  :lol
I probably look like a fuckboi to them, the drug dealers wouldnt leave me alone neither
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on February 24, 2020, 12:24:57 PM
https://twitter.com/TwinklingTania/status/1231971573902430208

 :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Pissy F Benny on February 24, 2020, 12:46:01 PM
Trumps visit is so lit Delhi has burst into flames  :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on February 24, 2020, 12:58:29 PM
https://twitter.com/narendramodi/status/1231919097073422336 (https://twitter.com/narendramodi/status/1231919097073422336)

Trump still working hard trying to impeach himself.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERjrrGBXYAE6aVK?format=jpg)


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: OnlyRegret on February 24, 2020, 03:34:13 PM
Quote from: Momo on February 24, 2020, 08:08:02 AM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on February 23, 2020, 03:00:07 PM
Quote from: Momo on February 23, 2020, 01:48:32 PM
Quote from: BlueLithium on February 15, 2020, 03:18:48 PM
Only thing I can think of is a load of our dirty old nonces moving to Thailand but does that count as third world?  :trumps
Things are fucked man, in both Thailand and Bali pimps came up to me to offer their catalogue, and the more I would say no they younger they would go, I felt sick man.

That insistent? Lmao, you giving off bad vibes in SEA or something  :lol
I probably look like a fuckboi to them, the drug dealers wouldnt leave me alone neither

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Ghoul on February 25, 2020, 10:37:58 AM
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/tory-mp-james-grundy-exposed-himself-pub/ (https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/tory-mp-james-grundy-exposed-himself-pub/)

MP got his dick out in a pub.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 25, 2020, 11:21:28 AM
Quote from: Ghoul on February 25, 2020, 10:37:58 AM
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/tory-mp-james-grundy-exposed-himself-pub/ (https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/tory-mp-james-grundy-exposed-himself-pub/)

MP got his dick out in a pub.

What's your excuse? :bolo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: shosta on February 25, 2020, 11:31:06 AM
https://twitter.com/cjwerleman/status/1232073721390583808
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Ghoul on February 25, 2020, 11:41:36 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on February 25, 2020, 11:21:28 AM
Quote from: Ghoul on February 25, 2020, 10:37:58 AM
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/tory-mp-james-grundy-exposed-himself-pub/ (https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/tory-mp-james-grundy-exposed-himself-pub/)

MP got his dick out in a pub.

What's your excuse? :bolo

I'm a horny man with needs
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: shosta on February 25, 2020, 02:37:48 PM
https://twitter.com/RanaAyyub/status/1232271224056827904
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on February 26, 2020, 06:26:30 PM
https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/1232807452447584258 (https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/1232807452447584258)

Putin still dropping bombs on the Turks  :yeshrug
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: curly on February 27, 2020, 01:04:18 AM
https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1232763321163579395

BJP reply guys roll deep
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on February 27, 2020, 03:51:52 AM
https://twitter.com/SameeraKhan/status/1232893085354463232
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Occam on February 27, 2020, 06:35:11 AM
Lulz:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/27/uk-says-it-will-consider-walking-away-from-brexit-talks-in-june
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: shosta on February 27, 2020, 01:36:25 PM
The Bolivian elections are the same day as Super Tuesday :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: curly on February 27, 2020, 02:58:03 PM
Yeah I'm sure the OAS is really embarrassed about their mistake

Hayes is probably as good as an MSNBC host is allowed to be but he's so fucking gullible
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: shosta on February 27, 2020, 02:59:01 PM
He's one of the good ones. Never forget!

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/926195840401727488
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on February 27, 2020, 03:52:27 PM
https://twitter.com/LizSly/status/1233121426833575936 (https://twitter.com/LizSly/status/1233121426833575936)

30+ dead :holeup
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: shosta on February 27, 2020, 04:00:09 PM
crazy what happens when you occupy someone else's city!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on February 27, 2020, 05:07:30 PM
Erdogan throwing a temper tantrum hoping for the Europeans to bail him out lol

https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1233138682196119553 (https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1233138682196119553)

https://twitter.com/abdbozkurt/status/1233152715913646080 (https://twitter.com/abdbozkurt/status/1233152715913646080)

- The Syrian Army has all but driven Turkey's 'freedom fighters' out of Idlib
- Turkish outposts meant to carve out the 'safe zone' are surrounded
- The Russian air force under the guise of the 'Syrian air force' is indiscriminately bombing Turkish convoys
- Erdogan plans to open the borders to Europe for Syrian refugees
- Erdogan supporters want the Sultan to go to war with Russia  :lol
- Erdogan supporters angry NATO isn't helping them to fight the Russians  :lol

Soon
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/073/015/4fd.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: OnlyRegret on February 27, 2020, 05:15:30 PM
Re: India

Kind of callous but I'm not exactly shocked. I've already heard family tell me of multiple incidents of large scale violence in South Asia they were around for and fortunately escaped the worst of.
1947, 1984, and might be forgetting another one.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on February 27, 2020, 05:26:43 PM
Reports coming in that Erdogan will address the nation at 01:30.

Which is kinda an odd time for a presser.

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1233157521348714497 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1233157521348714497)

lmao  :lol

Reports that Erdogan will call Trump. Trump won't forget Erdogan trashed his letter.  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on February 27, 2020, 06:07:14 PM
Turkey will heavily retaliate against the Syrian regime, the country is united, all oppo parties agree. The international community should step up.
Everyone supports Erdogan! Lindsey Graham wants a no-fly zone! Wait for Trump's Tweet!

The Turks are losing their fucking minds on this English TRT World broadcast  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: curly on February 27, 2020, 06:09:09 PM
https://twitter.com/camilateleSUR/status/1233152180053565441

the virgin MSNBC host vs the chad teleSUR presenter
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on February 28, 2020, 07:30:55 AM
The Russians are sending their warships through Istanbul, Erdogan is arranging free bus and boat rides to EU borders and the Turks have destroyed a lot of Syrian armor  :whew

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1233363828865454080 (https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1233363828865454080)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Occam on February 28, 2020, 07:40:14 AM
Refugees head towards Greece as Turkey opens borders over Syria crisis
Move appears designed to put pressure on Europe to support Turkish Idlib operation

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/28/tensions-rise-between-turkey-and-russia-after-killing-of-troops-in-syria
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: kingv on February 28, 2020, 04:12:18 PM
Russia and a Turkey fighting each other is awesome and everyone should just let it slide and kick Turkey out of NATO.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 28, 2020, 07:09:35 PM
letthemfight.gif
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Trent Dole on February 28, 2020, 09:27:56 PM
JFC
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: VomKriege on February 28, 2020, 09:50:32 PM
What does it even mean ? I imagine it's banning "displays" of signs and behaviors ?
Backwards as fuck.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on February 29, 2020, 12:42:43 PM
Erdogan smiled as he announced 30k refugees would flood Greece.
Turks didn't like that he smiled and cracked jokes about his call with Trump.

https://twitter.com/cerenyurt_/status/1233779539777662978 (https://twitter.com/cerenyurt_/status/1233779539777662978)

Quote
Erdogan: Yesterday, Trump said, "What are they doing there?" I said, "There is oil in Kamisli". He said "Is there?", I said "Yes", but I said "not as much as Deyrezor."
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: OnlyRegret on February 29, 2020, 03:18:06 PM
 :lol

(https://preview.redd.it/b4vpopsh0ri41.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=9c176af8cd7a8f60a7a11540b538d8ef3d60a941)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 29, 2020, 05:28:36 PM
I'd be worried if I was Margaret Thatcher.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on February 29, 2020, 05:50:30 PM
guess she is very lucky  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Tripon on February 29, 2020, 06:01:40 PM
Quote
Boris Johnson is asking the EU for a Canada-style trade deal but will consider whether to walk away from talks in June and prepare for an “orderly” exit from the transition period.

Setting out its negotiating mandate for EU talks, Downing Street said it wanted “regulatory freedom” from the EU and would not accept any role for the European court of justice (ECJ) in dispute resolution mechanisms.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/27/uk-says-it-will-consider-walking-away-from-brexit-talks-in-june

 :ohyou
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: VomKriege on February 29, 2020, 07:45:19 PM
To the surprise of no one (except for the timing, they slipped that in alongside a Corona virus emergency session), the French government is invoking article 49.3 for the controversial pensions reform. If you don't know already, article 49.3 basically forces a bill through as is and the only alternative is a vote of no confidence. 300 amendments have been included and supposedly some changes suggested in talks with unions (?) but basically it's fuck you with insufficient lube.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: shosta on February 29, 2020, 07:53:01 PM
I guess that article about centrists being the ones most likely to dispense with democracy really was right.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: VomKriege on February 29, 2020, 07:59:50 PM
Quote from: shosta on February 29, 2020, 07:53:01 PM
I guess that article about centrists being the ones most likely to dispense with democracy really was right.

It's been used 86 (well 87 now I guess) times since 1958, including 28 times by "Second Left" Socialist Rocard (in the span of 3 years) so it's not exactly new.

I guess the argument was that the opposition was flooding tens of thousands of amendments to obstruct, which is true, but it's doubly jarring since successive governments have decided to just ignore public demonstrations and protests.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: shosta on February 29, 2020, 08:00:54 PM
Honestly it just sounds like a formalized version of hostage taking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: VomKriege on February 29, 2020, 08:12:01 PM
Quote from: shosta on February 29, 2020, 08:00:54 PM
Honestly it just sounds like a formalized version of hostage taking

It's basically an automatic, guaranteed whip to the majority and a cheat code against any gaming of the technicalities. It's hilarious overkill because the system is set up from the ground up to ensure solid, obedient majorities in the Assembly already. At the end of Hollande's term, when he was in the absolute pits popularity wise and with leftists in particular, a lot of Socialist MPs got loud and brazen but even then there was no chance of a vote of no confidence passing.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2020, 01:16:06 AM
In today's random election news where benji discusses a country he barely knows the situation of but you might know less so trust him as if he's an expert.

Smer (the governing party most associated with Robert Fico) got beat in Slovakia. The "Ordinary People" (lol) who are sorta like christian democrats made a huge jump of 30+ seats (out of 150), the opposition in general seems to have won a majority. The "new parties" together gained like 25 points, although the new progressive/left party looks like it's short of getting any seats it was part of the "opposition" coalition in the campaign.

I did see a conservative American site tag it as a "Right defeats Socialists in Slovakia!" type election in a THIS MEANS TRUMP WINS OVER BERNIE sort of post. But it's more one of those Eastern European type situations where you have the "old" parties and the "new" parties, so there's a split more on "old corruption" and "new promises of anti-corruption" than ideological. I think the one coalition has the anti-Europe fascists, borderline libertarians and former communists now social democrats in it and the other has christian democrats, American-type progressives and pro-Europe neoneoliberals.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: BisMarckie on March 01, 2020, 08:41:10 AM
I am truly sorry that I can’t engage you in a discussion about Slovakian politics.  :'(

Slovenia however....
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2020, 07:23:13 PM
The "new democracies" are adorbs :heart
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: OnlyRegret on March 01, 2020, 07:43:14 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on March 01, 2020, 08:41:10 AM
I am truly sorry that I can’t engage you in a discussion about Slovakian politics.  :'(

Slovenia however....

ok melania
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on March 01, 2020, 10:53:16 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/KkjG5gN.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/WoHkG9i.jpg) ;)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: shosta on March 02, 2020, 11:29:33 AM
 :nsfw greek border guards shot a refugee in the throat when he tried to cross
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/SharifMugh/status/1234392870062317568
[close]

just brutal.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: BisMarckie on March 02, 2020, 11:36:13 AM
There are a lot of fake news out there, especially fueled by Turkish State media, I wouldn't believe pretty much anything tbh.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: jorma on March 02, 2020, 12:25:41 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on March 02, 2020, 11:36:13 AM
There are a lot of fake news out there, especially fueled by Turkish State media, I wouldn't believe pretty much anything tbh.

You're not wrong, but this one is probably true though.

someone shot him, that's not fake news
the Turks probably didn't shoot him leaving the country because why would they?
he was shot with rubber bullets, and this isn't the first recent accusation of Greeks using them (on their own citizens)
the Greek police are using teargas against the refugees, that's not fake news either.
teargas and rubber bullets does feel like quite an "iconic duo" when it comes to crowd control



Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: BisMarckie on March 02, 2020, 12:28:21 PM
There are a lot of old videos out there claiming to be documenting clashes of migrants with the Greek border police.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: BisMarckie on March 02, 2020, 12:34:35 PM
Erdogan unleashed his troll army, but they are not as subtle as the Russians :putin

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESAoUpAWkAAVkhp?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESAoUpBXsAAFCL8?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESAzVyoWsAAFtvy?format=jpg&name=large)



Btw. that picture is 5 years old. :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Kunai With Chain on March 02, 2020, 01:00:56 PM
I mean Turkey is now threatening with letting millions of refugees attempt crossing into EU, unless Europeans help them out in Syria. What are European countries supposed to do? The last bout of refugee crisis already fucked them up, a new one could doom them.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on March 02, 2020, 01:14:52 PM
Quote from: Kunai With Chain on March 02, 2020, 01:00:56 PM
I mean Turkey is now threatening with letting millions of refugees attempt crossing into EU, unless Europeans help them out in Syria. What are European countries supposed to do? The last bout of refugee crisis already fucked them up, a new one could doom them.
Erdogan apparently really, really, really wants the far right to take over Europe so they become bigger friends with Russia.

The Sultan is just constantly shooting himself in the dick at this point.
Kinda adorb  :heart
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on March 02, 2020, 03:44:33 PM
Thank you Jared

https://twitter.com/AmySpiro/status/1234570215201083393 (https://twitter.com/AmySpiro/status/1234570215201083393)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Raist on March 02, 2020, 04:56:27 PM
Quote from: shosta on March 02, 2020, 11:29:33 AM
:nsfw greek border guards shot a refugee in the throat when he tried to cross
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/SharifMugh/status/1234392870062317568
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just brutal.


I, too, get my international news from random twitter accounts.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: shosta on March 02, 2020, 05:03:37 PM
Actually, I got it from Bellingcat.

Super interesting though how all the Yuropeens on this forum get in a tizzy as soon as crimes against refugees are brought up. Not sure why that is!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: curly on March 02, 2020, 05:08:08 PM
social demokrats sucking on the teat of capital :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: jorma on March 02, 2020, 05:21:23 PM
Quote from: shosta on March 02, 2020, 05:03:37 PM
Actually, I got it from Bellingcat.

Super interesting though how all the Yuropeens on this forum get in a tizzy as soon as crimes against refugees are brought up. Not sure why that is!

you could easily have gotten it from the swedish meps or msm because they all seem to think that this syrian dude was shot at the border today (of all days) instead of five years ago.



Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: BisMarckie on March 02, 2020, 05:32:28 PM
Quote from: shosta on March 02, 2020, 05:03:37 PM
Actually, I got it from Bellingcat.

Super interesting though how all the Yuropeens on this forum get in a tizzy as soon as crimes against refugees are brought up. Not sure why that is!

Could be because Turkish trolls are flooding social media channels with fake news or we caught the Trump virus from Nintex and want to #buildthewall.


btw. nothing about any deaths in any german news outlet, regardless of political leaning
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on March 02, 2020, 05:33:47 PM
Erdogan send his Grey Wolves goons out to chase people from refugee areas towards the borders and released human traffickers from jail as he says he's going to flood Europe with millions of refugees.
Erdogan says he rejected a money offer from the EU. The EU says they didn't offer him anything and he just needs to uphold the deal.

The Pentagon has said they will not give air cover to Turkey in Idlib. Leaving them to fend from themselves with their drones, which even though they have some success against Assad's forces are shot down frequently with their own "rebels" mistaking them for Russian planes.

Greece and Turkey are moving closer to a shooting war with the Turkish coastguard trying to escort refugee boats past Greek patrols.
The Greeks are pissed and reinforcing both their naval and border forces.

It is only a matter of time before the next 'Syrian' plane hits one Erdo's convoys and the Russians offer help and safety for Turkish soldiers in the form of a covered retreat.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: jorma on March 02, 2020, 05:40:15 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on March 02, 2020, 05:32:28 PM
Quote from: shosta on March 02, 2020, 05:03:37 PM
Actually, I got it from Bellingcat.

Super interesting though how all the Yuropeens on this forum get in a tizzy as soon as crimes against refugees are brought up. Not sure why that is!

Could be because Turkish trolls are flooding social media channels with fake news or we caught the Trump virus from Nintex and want to #buildthewall.


btw. nothing about any deaths in any german news outlet, regardless of political leaning

According to swedish media, he was 22 years old, his name is Mohammed Al Arab and they also claim to have talked to his cousin about it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: shosta on March 02, 2020, 05:50:39 PM
It's been hours so if it was true it would have been confirmed by now. My bad!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: BisMarckie on March 02, 2020, 05:52:31 PM
nope, nothing, even google news gives me nothing.

Mohammed Al Arab sounds like a fake name btw. :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: jorma on March 02, 2020, 06:00:29 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on March 02, 2020, 05:52:31 PM
nope, nothing, even google news gives me nothing.

Mohammed Al Arab sounds like a fake name btw. :doge

it really does  :lol
or a really common one

https://twitter.com/jenanmoussa/status/1234456747504480257
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on March 02, 2020, 06:52:08 PM
Quote from: jorma on March 02, 2020, 06:00:29 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on March 02, 2020, 05:52:31 PM
nope, nothing, even google news gives me nothing.

Mohammed Al Arab sounds like a fake name btw. :doge

it really does  :lol
or a really common one

https://twitter.com/jenanmoussa/status/1234456747504480257
Jenan Moussa is the wife of a Dutch reporter she would never spread misinformation and is often reporting from first hand accounts :idont
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: OnlyRegret on March 03, 2020, 01:07:45 AM
Quote from: shosta on March 02, 2020, 05:03:37 PM
Actually, I got it from Bellingcat.

Super interesting though how all the Yuropeens on this forum get in a tizzy as soon as crimes against refugees are brought up. Not sure why that is!

https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalCompassMemes/comments/fcey3j/and_dont_even_get_them_started_on_the_gypsies/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on March 04, 2020, 02:57:23 PM
https://twitter.com/AlHadath/status/1235228164592459778

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: shosta on March 04, 2020, 03:01:31 PM
Lebanon is probably going to have to take the IMF austerity package, Iraq is in a full blown political crisis since last December, Iran just released 54000 prisoners because of coronavirus... crazy times in the middle east
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: shosta on March 04, 2020, 03:16:04 PM
Btw, Bellingcat is still running with the general story about violence against refugees.

https://twitter.com/N_Waters89/status/1235277565046050816
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Himu on March 04, 2020, 03:19:12 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on March 02, 2020, 12:34:35 PM
Erdogan unleashed his troll army, but they are not as subtle as the Russians :putin

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESAoUpAWkAAVkhp?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESAoUpBXsAAFCL8?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESAzVyoWsAAFtvy?format=jpg&name=large)



Btw. that picture is 5 years old. :lol

What a great photo.

That figure to ground.

I can only get a sense of what it was like taking that shot. Kudos to the photographer.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on March 04, 2020, 03:19:24 PM
Caught on the radio that multiple EU countries will likely send troops and ships to the Greek border to help out defending it.

Seems like all Erdogan did is to make it harder for his smugglers and dealers to cross into Europe.  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on March 04, 2020, 03:27:25 PM
bellingcat  :mueller
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: VomKriege on March 04, 2020, 05:56:52 PM
The Cassation Court, the highest judicial court in France, confirmed a ruling against Uber on behalf of one of its drivers (that they cut loose from the platform a few years ago) The court judges that working for Uber doesn't qualify as being an independant contractor and that the driver was in fact an employee with all the benefits and protections attached. The court judges that in almost every aspect the driver was a direct subordinate of Uber, "not constituting his own clients portfolio, not freely setting his prices, not choosing how to execute his assigned tasks". Apparently 150 drivers have a case going or threatened to do so in the past, according to Uber.

For the time being it means that any driver challenging Uber in courts to be requalified as an employee should win, which could collapse the whole Uber (& competitors & similar [food] deliveries platforms) business models.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: shosta on March 04, 2020, 06:00:20 PM
It won't collapse them but it'll definitely drive their prices up well beyond what they are now.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: VomKriege on March 04, 2020, 06:06:26 PM
Quote from: shosta on March 04, 2020, 06:00:20 PM
It won't collapse them but it'll definitely drive their prices up well beyond what they are now.

Which is kind of the same, really. Uber prices are 80% of the appeal (there's something to be said for the plentiful availability against taxis).
Enough drivers doing it would also mean a not minor backlog of settlements (and maybe retroactive, overdue, social security-pension-assorted payroll contributions) and probably force stricter legislation on the issue.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Tripon on March 04, 2020, 08:25:05 PM
https://twitter.com/noa_landau/status/1235280755879809024

But this man isn't racist says AIPAC.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on March 05, 2020, 01:06:19 AM
 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: jorma on March 05, 2020, 03:14:42 AM
probably time to dust off an old classic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aopKk56jM-I
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: shosta on March 05, 2020, 01:15:25 PM
https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1235515269356949505

:heyman :heyman :heyman
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 05, 2020, 02:09:02 PM
Bye-bye, Bibi.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Pissy F Benny on March 05, 2020, 02:41:06 PM
people who believe in the development and protection of a Jewish nation bodied :rejoice :rejoice :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: OnlyRegret on March 05, 2020, 02:50:07 PM
(https://i.redd.it/fz29scbcmuk41.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on March 05, 2020, 06:30:36 PM
Erdogan went to Moscow, talked to Putin for 3+ hours.

Outcome:
Ceasefire
There will be a corridor for a safe retreat for the Turks
Turks and Russians will do joint patrols along the contested Syrian roads into Idlib
 :rofl


The Ottomans surrender to Putin as Catherine the Great looks on
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESYeublX0AYJqmu?format=jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESXWUUiXcAAP7Fw?format=jpg)

And after his failed stunt the Sultan is also telling the refugees to go back home
https://twitter.com/Dalatrm/status/1235681822815772673 (https://twitter.com/Dalatrm/status/1235681822815772673)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on March 06, 2020, 03:35:53 PM
Those Tweets won't show.  ???

Quote
We can't show you everything!
We automatically hide video that might contain sensitive content.


EXCLUSIVE terrorists gotta terrorist and Trump doesn't care

https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/1236016077588566019 (https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/1236016077588566019)

This shit is gonna make the fall of Saigon look like a fire cracker
https://twitter.com/tamanaashna/status/1235828555457523714 (https://twitter.com/tamanaashna/status/1235828555457523714)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: shosta on March 06, 2020, 10:16:41 PM
edit: why am I falling for fake news all the time
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: BisMarckie on March 06, 2020, 10:19:31 PM
Fell for shosta posting fake news.  :maf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on March 07, 2020, 01:52:02 AM
 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on March 07, 2020, 06:51:52 AM
Who would win?

THE ARSENAL OF DEMOCRACY
100+ state of the art jets
50+ strategic bombers
1000+ tanks and vehicles
300 000+ men
100+ ICBM's
Sattelites
Navy seals
Battleships
Aircraft carriers
Intelligence services
Drones
Various allied armies

vs.

THE EGYPTIAN PRISON GANG
4 manly beards
4 robes
2 knifes
6 Kalashnikovs
10 pounds of C4
4 planes (hijacked)
3 caves
1 raft
1 saudi freedom fighter
100+ men with hunting rifles
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 07, 2020, 09:33:41 AM
shonda plz
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: FStop7 on March 07, 2020, 06:13:59 PM
Quote from: shosta on March 04, 2020, 03:16:04 PM
Btw, Bellingcat is still running with the general story about violence against refugees.

https://twitter.com/N_Waters89/status/1235277565046050816

American made, of course.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on March 07, 2020, 07:46:41 PM
Another coup in Saudi land. MBS has arrested his rivals including the brother of the king who is alleged to have tried to stage a coup.
Reports are that the king is dying or gravely ill so MBS is consolidating his power.
https://twitter.com/MiddleEastEye/status/1236298974472085505 (https://twitter.com/MiddleEastEye/status/1236298974472085505)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on March 07, 2020, 07:50:31 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/GEa1W78.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: OnlyRegret on March 07, 2020, 09:27:52 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 07, 2020, 07:46:41 PM
Another coup in Saudi land. MBS has arrested his rivals including the brother of the king who is alleged to have tried to stage a coup.
Reports are that the king is dying or gravely ill so MBS is consolidating his power.
https://twitter.com/MiddleEastEye/status/1236298974472085505 (https://twitter.com/MiddleEastEye/status/1236298974472085505)

GoT reboot
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on March 08, 2020, 04:21:08 PM
https://twitter.com/Ruptly/status/1236727836100132865 (https://twitter.com/Ruptly/status/1236727836100132865)

The EU is set to wire another 500 million to Ankara. :whatsthedeal
They should instead arrest this war criminal when he visits Brussels on Monday  :punch
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: OnlyRegret on March 08, 2020, 07:11:18 PM
"succor for the rich, austerity for the rest in the imperialist core"

https://twitter.com/DrJayDrNo/status/1235034128212357122

https://twitter.com/WhatTheDickens6/status/1234991664533393408
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on March 08, 2020, 07:22:28 PM
The oil markets are in turmoil. Saudi Arabia will increase production after OPEC talks with Russia collapsed.
Russia didn't budge on cutting their production as they spearheaded an effort to hurt US shale oil.
Now the Suadi's will attempt to flood the market with cheap oil to pressure Moscow who does not have pockets as deep as the Saudi's.
Rumors also swirled that the attempted Saudi coup against MBS might've been American backed. Which would be a reversal of the Kushner policy to prop up MBS.
Oil prices are plunging across the board and could hit $20.
https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/1236775539349901312 (https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/1236775539349901312)

Quote
The small Russian flag by Novak’s seat had been knocked over. And Prince Abdulaziz left his counterparts with a grave warning: Trust me, he told them, according to a person in the room. This will be a regrettable day for us all.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on March 08, 2020, 09:04:12 PM
https://twitter.com/Brasco_Aad/status/1236819372787871744

 :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: benjipwns on March 08, 2020, 11:09:42 PM
The cheese icon for the ones with cheese is very helpful, thank you Bobby Sands.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 09, 2020, 09:15:25 AM
 :gbcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on March 09, 2020, 04:10:09 PM
Quote from: filler on March 08, 2020, 09:04:12 PM
https://twitter.com/Brasco_Aad/status/1236819372787871744

 :trumps
Putin: "Russia can take $25 oil!!!"

Trump: "CHEAP GAS WOOOOO"

Putin: "Fuck"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Tripon on March 09, 2020, 10:15:34 PM
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1237196977827459078
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on March 10, 2020, 05:28:29 AM
https://twitter.com/27khv/status/1237019802020925440

 :ussrcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: OnlyRegret on March 10, 2020, 04:51:07 PM
china strong  :chinacry

https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1237453505532776449
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Occam on March 10, 2020, 07:18:55 PM
But surgical masks don't prevent infection.
They let 30% of the viruses pass.

Spoiler: The people who actually need surgical masks are surgeons, for doing surgery.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on March 11, 2020, 01:54:14 AM
https://twitter.com/bilarakib/status/1237271796895944705

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Kunai With Chain on March 11, 2020, 03:42:33 AM
>hashtagging your own name
Why do Hezbollah watchers by and large turn out to be some of the dumbest people on twitter/the press? Nasrallah must be putting some kinda vibe out there that attracts them.

https://twitter.com/bilarakib/status/1237640655666663425
https://twitter.com/bilarakib/status/1237642131608670208
https://twitter.com/bilarakib/status/1237642919529590785

Totally normal journalist  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 11, 2020, 02:58:05 PM
I'd provide her with health care in a corroded human city. :corona_rodney
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on March 11, 2020, 07:01:36 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/lzaPM1F.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/5fp4MEZ.jpg) :smug
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on March 11, 2020, 07:06:10 PM
My birthday is on the same day as Soleimani  :existential
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on March 11, 2020, 07:13:56 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 11, 2020, 07:06:10 PM
My birthday is on the same day as Soleimani  :existential
(https://i.imgur.com/IYGzpwz.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on March 11, 2020, 10:19:30 PM
https://twitter.com/eshaLegal/status/1237923166971932672

 :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: OnlyRegret on March 12, 2020, 12:25:32 AM
Following up on that, it seems like China is expanding its circle of influence gradually.
Like this from last year
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47679760

China commies conquering through the semi-exploited euro periphery would be :noah


spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ES00bLgXkAAaVjD?format=jpg&name=small)
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on March 12, 2020, 03:32:30 AM
https://twitter.com/27khv/status/1238001098360791040

 :pimp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Tripon on March 12, 2020, 08:26:59 PM
Quote from: filler on March 11, 2020, 10:19:30 PM
https://twitter.com/eshaLegal/status/1237923166971932672

 :rejoice

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1238256884769046528
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on March 12, 2020, 08:28:11 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ZSxsMYI.jpg)

bubbleman lookin' ass biaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatch
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on March 13, 2020, 01:11:36 AM
https://twitter.com/jimmy_dore/status/1238225494601949184

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: VomKriege on March 13, 2020, 04:54:31 AM
Labor unions call for retiring the pension reform in France over the Corona crisis. The most prominent union for business owners is favorable to suspending talks for the time being.

Macron made an address and waxed lyrical about universal public healthcare is a necessity and not a cost when the rubber meets the road.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on March 13, 2020, 04:17:50 PM
https://twitter.com/PalestinePR/status/1238552521830006784

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Occam on March 13, 2020, 05:57:21 PM
The article linked to in the tweet doesn't say what the tweet claims ("all 16 of the Dead Sea Scrolls which Israel has long claimed attest the existence of Ancient Israel"). This is not mentioned in the article. The article says that "all 16 of the Museum of the Bible’s Dead Sea Scroll fragments" IN WASHINGTON DC are forgeries.
https://api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/history/2020/03/museum-of-the-bible-dead-sea-scrolls-forgeries?

"The new findings don’t cast doubt on the 100,000 real Dead Sea Scroll fragments, most of which lie in the Shrine of the Book, part of the Israel Museum, Jerusalem."

Why do you always fall for such nonsense without checking it first?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on March 13, 2020, 07:01:45 PM
they're all fake, breh. get over it, the bible stories are fictional and ancient israel never existed. it's always been palestine baby! 8)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Occam on March 13, 2020, 07:08:28 PM
Of course it's all bullshit. Bullshit is the foundation of all religion.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on March 14, 2020, 07:53:23 PM
https://twitter.com/BasmanGaza/status/1238950627922915328
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Pissy F Benny on March 14, 2020, 08:51:43 PM
That doesn’t sound like something the Officially Approved Good Guys Isreal would do  :ohhh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: EchoRin on March 14, 2020, 09:57:04 PM
Quote from: filler on March 14, 2020, 07:53:23 PM
https://twitter.com/BasmanGaza/status/1238950627922915328

Dogs can't carry it though right? What are they sending? Lizards and spiders?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2020, 10:13:06 PM
humans are animals :rollsafe
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: shosta on March 15, 2020, 12:50:42 AM
Quote
In an hour-long conversation in his office in central Buenos Aires, Guzman said Argentina does not have the capacity to service its foreign currency bonds for a "few years"
a few YEARS :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on March 15, 2020, 11:38:02 AM
https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1239185025481863168

 :pimp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: VomKriege on March 15, 2020, 12:44:36 PM
Participation to the mayoral election in France on track to be really low, I guess I don't need to tell you why.

It's not certain the second, final round will be held next week which would render today's ballots null and void.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Tripon on March 15, 2020, 01:11:55 PM
https://twitter.com/sanglesey/status/1239107393759387648
https://twitter.com/gmjackgm/status/1239124593643851777

----

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1238950454148595713
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: VomKriege on March 15, 2020, 03:16:42 PM
44 to 47% participation in the French mayoral elections, historically low. A lot more politicians and doctors drumming up in favour of canceling the second round so it would all have been for naught.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: FStop7 on March 15, 2020, 06:48:42 PM
Wow, Jeremy wrote a letter. Such power.

Will the popular left EVER stop being a bunch of ineffectual wisps?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Rufus on March 16, 2020, 11:00:28 AM
The opposition doesn't have any power. What do you expect them to do?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: VomKriege on March 16, 2020, 07:11:13 PM
Since it seems that first round of French mayoral election will hold though second round is TBD, here's the major bit about it :

- Even more massive than usual success for incumbents. This includes the far-right ones.
- Greens did well.
- In Paris which supposedly was to be contested, Socialist incumbent Anne Hidalgo is in the lead with 30%, Conservative Rachida Dati is at 22%. Macronist Agnés Buzyn is at 17% after having a lot of ideas on how to handle the Corona in Paris (that she didn't get through when she was the Minister of Health a few weeks ago). Hidalgo is in a good place though it will depend on alliance talks and merging lists before the second round.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: VomKriege on March 17, 2020, 08:59:45 AM
Algeria is still protesting weekly (since Feb. 2019) against their decadent, impotent government though Algerian medical experts (sympathetic to the protests) are getting worried because of the Covid 19 and suggest halting gatherings.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 17, 2020, 09:49:01 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51935991
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: shosta on March 17, 2020, 11:49:28 PM
Quote
China to expel New York Times, Wall Street Journal and Washington Post reporters

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: OnlyRegret on March 18, 2020, 08:15:15 PM
meanwhile in brazil

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1240314226188705794

https://twitter.com/amandafaudi/status/1240357618847305728
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on March 18, 2020, 08:20:09 PM
I'm honestly surprised that between Trump and Boris, Bolsonaro turned out to be the biggest idiot to lead a country in history.

Constantly drunk, falling down stairs and not at all able to deal with any type of crisis :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Tripon on March 19, 2020, 11:03:53 AM
https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/1240651383679959040
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: BisMarckie on March 19, 2020, 11:06:57 AM
First Corona-chan topples capitalism and the stock markets, now she is coming for royal failsons :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Pissy F Benny on March 19, 2020, 11:57:07 AM
Da queen next pls
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on March 20, 2020, 08:22:30 PM
Quote from: Esch on March 19, 2020, 09:18:55 AM
:nsfanyone


https://twitter.com/SamEdwardd/status/1240080109857619968
Send a bunch of COD boys to a war zone with a dog named Quake.

What could possibly go wrong?  :yeshrug
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on March 21, 2020, 09:30:50 AM
https://twitter.com/Tom_Fowdy/status/1241350486801952775

 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: shosta on March 21, 2020, 07:06:24 PM
https://twitter.com/jderpic/status/1241448201338654726

Very convenient!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Tripon on March 22, 2020, 04:45:54 PM
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1241814549759696896
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on March 22, 2020, 08:23:35 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1241697736703049729

 :pimp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: benjipwns on March 23, 2020, 11:21:09 PM
https://warontherocks.com/2020/03/china-is-legally-responsible-for-covid-19-damage-and-claims-could-be-in-the-trillions/
Quote
No one expects that China will fulfill its obligations, or take steps required by the law of state responsibility. So, how might the United States and other nations vindicate their rights? The legal consequences of an internationally wrongful act are subject to the procedures of the Charter of the United Nations. Chapter XIV of the charter recognizes that states may bring disputes before the International Court of Justice or other international tribunals. But the principle of state sovereignty means that a state may not be compelled to appear before an international court without its consent. This reflects a general proposition in international law, and its fundamental weakness.

Still, injured states are not without remedy. Barring any prospect for effective litigation, states could resort to self-help. The law of state responsibility permits injured states to take lawful countermeasures against China by suspending their own compliance with obligations owed to China as a means of inducing Beijing to fulfill its responsibilities and debt (Article 49). Countermeasures shall not be disproportionate to the degree of gravity of the wrongful acts and the effects inflicted on injured states (Article 51). The choice of countermeasures that injured states may select is wide open, with only minimal limitations. For example, countermeasures may not involve the threat or use of force or undermine the human rights of China (Article 50). Except for these limitations, however, the United States and other injured states may suspend existing legal obligations or deliberately violate other legal duties owed to China as a means to induce Beijing to fulfill its responsibilities and address the calamitous damages it has inflicted on the world.

The menu for such countermeasures is as limitless as the extent that international law infuses the foreign affairs between China and the world, and such action by injured states may be individual and collective and does not have to be connected explicitly to the kind or type of violations committed by China. Thus, action could include removal of China from leadership positions and memberships, as China now chairs four of 15 organizations of the United Nations system. States could reverse China’s entry into the World Trade Organization, suspend air travel to China for a period of years, broadcast Western media in China, and undermine China’s famous internet firewall that keeps the country’s information ecosystem sealed off from the rest of the world. Remember that countermeasures permit not only acts that are merely unfriendly, but also licenses acts that would normally be a violation of international law. But the limitations still leave considerable room to roam, even if they violate China’s sovereignty and internal affairs, including ensuring that Taiwanese media voices and officials are heard through the Chinese internet firewall, broadcasting the ineptness and corruption of the Chinese Communist Party throughout China, and reporting on Chinese coercion against its neighbors in the South China Sea and East China Sea, and ensuring the people of China understand the responsibility of the Chinese Communist Party in unleashing a global contagion.
:chinacry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on March 26, 2020, 01:35:04 PM
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1243222431575072768 (https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1243222431575072768)

https://twitter.com/TheJusticeDept/status/1243206576212762626 (https://twitter.com/TheJusticeDept/status/1243206576212762626)

There's only room for one drug dealer in town :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Ghoul on March 26, 2020, 03:08:39 PM
People have bitched out the tories, but they're doing a great job of supporting both self and PAYE employees,

I still don't like them, but I can't not say I admire their honesty and helping out everyone in this pretty fucked up time.

I'll bookmark this for when they tax us so hard my dick falls off though.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 26, 2020, 10:45:04 PM
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bitumen-wcs-wti-oil-1.5511386
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 26, 2020, 10:51:15 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on March 26, 2020, 10:45:04 PM
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bitumen-wcs-wti-oil-1.5511386

Locally, a gallon of gas has come all the way down to $1.34, a price point I haven't seen since around 2005.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Tripon on March 27, 2020, 01:51:30 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/24/labours-long-leadership-battle-hampering-coronavirus-response

Why is Labour having an election right now?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 27, 2020, 03:13:17 PM
I didn't realize they rebranded.  I'm not sure if a nation who can't even win a name-calling fight with Greece will make the best military allies. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 27, 2020, 03:29:33 PM
Unrelated and unimportant: I actually know some people from North Macedonia.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: BisMarckie on March 27, 2020, 03:30:05 PM
You mean Greece  ::)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 27, 2020, 03:32:26 PM
Best Macedonia
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on March 27, 2020, 05:19:53 PM
https://twitter.com/th1an1/status/1243641117456941056

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: benjipwns on March 27, 2020, 11:54:09 PM
Quote from: Tripon on March 27, 2020, 01:51:30 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/24/labours-long-leadership-battle-hampering-coronavirus-response

Why is Labour having an election right now?
Because it already had sent out the ballots, all the voting is done by mail or online I believe.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: FStop7 on March 28, 2020, 04:40:46 AM
Cops got into a fight with each other in China and then the public got involved. Hubei cops vs. Jiangxi cops.

https://twitter.com/truthabtchina/status/1243473247536058368
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on March 28, 2020, 04:46:25 AM
Quote from: FStop7 on March 28, 2020, 04:40:46 AM
Cops got into a fight with each other in China and then the public got involved. Hubei cops vs. Jiangxi cops.

https://twitter.com/truthabtchina/status/1243473247536058368
https://twitter.com/FanjaniRas/status/1243645678712049664
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on March 28, 2020, 05:21:14 AM
Quote from: Tripon on March 27, 2020, 01:51:30 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/24/labours-long-leadership-battle-hampering-coronavirus-response

Why is Labour having an election right now?
Because Corbyn has not yet decided if he supports or opposes corona
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on March 28, 2020, 01:40:05 PM
https://twitter.com/wilfredchan/status/1243887606569590784


 :nugenix
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on March 28, 2020, 01:48:15 PM
Me: "The CCP has corrupted the WHO it is an evil organization that has deliberately allowed this virus to spread and infect the population"

(https://images.theconversation.com/files/99962/original/image-20151028-21086-1ip2pq8.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&q=45&auto=format&w=754&fit=clip)
WHO: "What are you talking about Mr. Bond?"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on March 28, 2020, 04:38:34 PM
https://twitter.com/sabineyoussef86/status/1243596208817373185

 :shaq
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Occam on March 28, 2020, 05:01:37 PM
Nini maana ya hii?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Occam on March 28, 2020, 05:25:07 PM
Unatarajia kila mtu kuwa na uwezo wa kusoma Kiarabu?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on March 28, 2020, 05:27:04 PM
 ::)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on March 28, 2020, 05:29:42 PM
Angry mommy  :drool
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Occam on March 28, 2020, 05:44:07 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/CCTV_ZhiFuJing/status/1239716469723680770
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: OnlyRegret on March 28, 2020, 07:57:52 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/HananyaNaftali/status/1242994753484054528
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: VomKriege on March 28, 2020, 07:59:52 PM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on March 28, 2020, 07:57:52 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/HananyaNaftali/status/1242994753484054528

I'm sorry, I'm not seeing the tweet, can you go to next one ?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: nachobro on March 29, 2020, 01:48:29 PM
Israel is listed as European by WHO for some reason

(https://i.imgur.com/17OXsO8.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on March 30, 2020, 03:25:28 AM
https://twitter.com/Plane2TheT/status/1244524739894349824
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Tripon on March 30, 2020, 10:55:47 AM
https://twitter.com/balazscseko/status/1244612142831198209

Damn.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: shosta on March 30, 2020, 11:02:49 AM
Hitler wannabe :lol

spoiler (click to show/hide)
fuck
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 30, 2020, 11:04:40 AM
Surely they put in some safeguards...right?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: shosta on March 30, 2020, 11:37:21 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 30, 2020, 11:04:40 AM
Surely they put in some safeguards...right?
the court he packed will enforce that it's all coronavirus pertinent measures :wow
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: VomKriege on March 30, 2020, 11:53:34 AM
France was in a prolonged state of emergency after the Paris attacks that were only lifted not that long ago, and the army has been conducting more or less visible patrols ever since the 1995 bombings so I'll refrain from being too sanctimonious but Hungary has been trending in a worrying direction for a while.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Occam on March 30, 2020, 02:56:52 PM
Quote from: Tripon on March 30, 2020, 10:55:47 AM
https://twitter.com/balazscseko/status/1244612142831198209

Damn.

Time for this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_7_of_the_Treaty_on_European_Union

There currently is no way to expel Hungary, but its membership rights can (and should be) suspended.
The country should not receive any more EU grants, either.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on March 30, 2020, 06:00:40 PM
Just wait and see how things play out.
Most countries do these sort of things now.

In some countries the parliament just rubber stamps anything the government puts forward, in others they at least vote on that.
What matters is what happens after the crisis is over. If powers are not returned to normal, the EU should call Hungary to account.
Orban wants the money so he'll get back to symbolic bans of SOROS T-shirts.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on March 31, 2020, 04:39:51 AM
https://twitter.com/lilyslynch/status/1244665649202434050

 :bow :bow :bow :bow :chinacry :bow2 :bow2 :bow2 :bow2 :bow2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Pissy F Benny on March 31, 2020, 04:46:15 AM
:piss chicoms :piss2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on March 31, 2020, 06:29:10 AM
https://twitter.com/MrAbuSidiq/status/1243913502517014529

the nigerians  :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on March 31, 2020, 06:29:48 AM
Quote from: BlueLithium on March 31, 2020, 04:46:15 AM
:piss chicoms :piss2
(https://i.imgur.com/vka4LLl.jpg) ;)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Pissy F Benny on March 31, 2020, 08:19:49 AM
Shouldn’t the unelected eu be allied with the chicoms  :thinking

Alex Jones be like :mjcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: OnlyRegret on March 31, 2020, 05:42:08 PM
Noooo! Not the global agrifoods supply (https://www.npr.org/2020/03/25/820239298/netherlands-huge-flower-sector-wilts-as-coronavirus-hurts-business)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: OnlyRegret on March 31, 2020, 05:49:15 PM
Quote from: filler on March 31, 2020, 06:29:48 AM
Quote from: BlueLithium on March 31, 2020, 04:46:15 AM
:piss chicoms :piss2
(https://i.imgur.com/vka4LLl.jpg) ;)

Wild times

Quote
There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen

Who knows where this chapter of the history books will end
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 31, 2020, 05:56:32 PM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on March 31, 2020, 05:42:08 PM
Noooo! Not the global agrifoods supply (https://www.npr.org/2020/03/25/820239298/netherlands-huge-flower-sector-wilts-as-coronavirus-hurts-business)

lmao
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: benjipwns on April 01, 2020, 02:33:47 AM
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/03/31/824611607/turkmenistan-has-banned-use-of-the-word-coronavirus
Quote
The Central Asian country of Turkmenistan claims it has no coronavirus cases. But if you happen to utter the word "coronavirus" while waiting, say, for the bus in the white-marbled capital Ashgabat, there's a good chance you'll be arrested.

That's because the Turkmen government, run since 2006 by the flamboyant dentist-rapper strongman Gurbanguly Berdymukhamedov, has reportedly banned the word
Quote
Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty correspondents in Ashgabat report that plainclothes police officers are also arresting people who wear face masks or discuss the pandemic in public.
:brain
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: nachobro on April 01, 2020, 09:45:14 AM
"china virus" it is :rollsafe
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: BisMarckie on April 01, 2020, 09:48:33 AM
I think I said it before but former Soviet banana republics are my fetish.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on April 01, 2020, 07:16:57 PM
 :lol :lol :lol

https://mobile.twitter.com/axios/status/1245457959829864448
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: VomKriege on April 01, 2020, 07:18:43 PM
Best intelligence in the world :derp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 01, 2020, 08:46:59 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on April 01, 2020, 07:18:43 PM
Best intelligence in the world :derp

To be fair, they had to go through a lot of Hallmark Entertainment media to find something that dark.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: VomKriege on April 02, 2020, 02:26:36 AM
For his upcoming science presentation Bibi could just add some spikes to that bomb diagram he showed at the UN for the geostrategic school fair.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Pissy F Benny on April 02, 2020, 04:20:59 AM
The fillers  :point
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: shosta on April 03, 2020, 10:15:54 PM
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/03/ppe-world-supplies-coronavirus-163955

Quote
The coronavirus pandemic is pushing countries around the world into a cutthroat competition for medical resources — and the United States is being cast as a leading villain.

President Donald Trump’s administration stands accused of effectively hijacking shipments of masks and additional crucial supplies meant for other countries, including U.S. allies, and strong-arming private firms to prioritize America over other parts of the world. On Friday, Trump announced he was invoking the Defense Production Act to restrict U.S. exports of key medical gear.

Developing countries, where Covid-19 has yet to fully wreak havoc, are terrified of being left behind in the race for personal protective equipment, or PPE, and other materials because they cannot match the purchasing power of the U.S. and other wealthy countries.

Independent aid organizations that cater to the neediest corners of the globe are finding themselves competing for attention from medical goods manufacturers. The Trump administration has even asked aid groups to share those supplies with the U.S. government, in a bizarre reversal of the usual dynamic between the world’s leading power and those it typically helps.

“It’s ‘Lord of the Flies: PPE Edition’,” said Jeremy Konyndyk, a former U.S. official who specializes in disaster response. “We need some global solidarity, and instead we have global competition.”
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: VomKriege on April 04, 2020, 06:01:22 AM
Corbyn's out.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Raist on April 04, 2020, 07:16:54 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on April 04, 2020, 06:01:22 AM
Corbyn's out.


Starmer's in.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on April 04, 2020, 07:25:28 AM
How is that possible, I thought Jeremy Corbyn was the most popular Labour leader in the history of the Labour party.  :teehee
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on April 04, 2020, 10:57:34 PM
https://twitter.com/drodriven2/status/1246564803902136323

maduro da gawd  :pimp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: MMaRsu on April 05, 2020, 06:03:36 AM
Another stabbing in france killing a few ppl

Man was screamjng alluh akhbar

fuck this shit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: Nintex on April 05, 2020, 07:19:01 AM
Quote from: MMaRsu on April 05, 2020, 06:03:36 AM
Another stabbing in france killing a few ppl

Man was screamjng alluh akhbar

fuck this shit
Religious nut jobs are always terrible at reading the room.

At some point the police will start shooting with electric rounds from safe distances and send in drones with tasers as they will want to reduce physical contact as well.
I don't think those people quite yet realize that the 'Wild West' is over and countries like France won't put up much longer with their bullshit anymore as they have different priorities.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: FStop7 on April 05, 2020, 04:31:41 PM
BoJo got transported to the hospital. They said it’s precautionary.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: shosta on April 05, 2020, 04:40:19 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ZHQDA5T.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: team filler on April 05, 2020, 04:41:48 PM
who becomes king if he dies?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Britain is now alone and vulnerable, EU wins
Post by: shosta on April 05, 2020, 04:44:29 PM
Wakanda rules. Rona gets to take the throne.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: team filler on April 06, 2020, 09:48:59 AM
https://twitter.com/YesCalifornia/status/1246911760977838081
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Ghoul on April 06, 2020, 03:18:16 PM
If Boris dies, I have no idea what is gonna happen here in the UK.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: shosta on April 06, 2020, 03:28:12 PM
Maybe he should have nominated a deputy prime minister
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Nintex on April 06, 2020, 03:33:30 PM
https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1247245102982017024 (https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1247245102982017024)

Oh shit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 06, 2020, 03:42:00 PM
Quote from: Ghoul on April 06, 2020, 03:18:16 PM
If Boris dies, I have no idea what is gonna happen here in the UK.

UK has 66 million other incompetent people who can sink a ship and I bet most of them know how to comb their hair.  Somone get the Theresa May dancing under a casket photoshops ready. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: VomKriege on April 06, 2020, 03:55:44 PM
Not that it would bring him any comfort, but Boris Johnson ascending to sainthood would be a pretty crazy From Zero to Accidental Hero story.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: VomKriege on April 06, 2020, 04:03:19 PM
Attlee, Lloyd George, Churchill, BoJo  :brain
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Raist on April 06, 2020, 04:17:36 PM
Quote from: Ghoul on April 06, 2020, 03:18:16 PM
If Boris dies, I have no idea what is gonna happen here in the UK.

Raab becomes interim PM.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Ghoul on April 06, 2020, 04:58:16 PM
Raab is psycho though fun times ahead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Occam on April 08, 2020, 03:38:01 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/apr/08/british-news-outlets-could-fail-due-to-coronavirus-ad-blocking
Shame.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: hungrynoob on April 08, 2020, 07:49:38 PM
https://twitter.com/DarrenPlymouth/status/1247452660837605378?s=20

Boris will be fine, Trump will win 2020.

Do you like theater?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: curly on April 08, 2020, 08:04:24 PM
thanks for the update, guy who has been wrong about literally everything so far
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: hungrynoob on April 08, 2020, 08:08:10 PM
THE GREAT AWAKENING
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: shosta on April 08, 2020, 08:13:52 PM
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/a9ba60670cae6274bb3725bc3c8cdb21/tenor.gif?itemid=8275005)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: hungrynoob on April 08, 2020, 08:25:35 PM
https://youtu.be/gAgRms7xixQ?t=61
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: team filler on April 08, 2020, 09:54:48 PM
Quote from: hungrynoob on April 08, 2020, 07:49:38 PM
https://twitter.com/DarrenPlymouth/status/1247452660837605378?s=20

Boris will be fine, Trump will win 2020.

Do you like theater?
:rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Nintex on April 11, 2020, 07:33:53 AM
Japan is going to move their production out of China and has set up a massive fund to do so because they are really, really, really pissed at corona-chan for postponing the olympics and breaking their supply chain.

Finally your Switch and PlayStation will say "MADE IN JAPAN" once again  :japancry

Another great Boris moment(TM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0qchnptckA
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: OnlyRegret on April 11, 2020, 05:30:14 PM
What are your guy's hot takes about the geopolitics of a post-corona world?
What changes, who allies with who etc
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Nintex on April 11, 2020, 05:40:34 PM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on April 11, 2020, 05:30:14 PM
What are your guy's hot takes about the geopolitics of a post-corona world?
What changes, who allies with who etc
- The EU will realize everything is going too slow so either it all falls apart of it becomes a federation.
- Some countries already on the brink like Iran, Brazil and Venezuela fall apart in civil war, coups and the likes.
- Chinese investors will start a buying spree across Europe and elsewhere, increasing tensions between China and others
- Countries will move production back to their own soil and try to deglobalize
- The Russian/Saudi tensions over oil will escalate with the Trump family backing new king MBS and the Russians his rival family members
- Japan will built Gundams for real.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: shosta on April 11, 2020, 05:48:27 PM
Quote from: Nintex on April 11, 2020, 05:40:34 PM
[or] it becomes a federation.
you mean it centralizes more power in Brussels? Fat chance
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: VomKriege on April 11, 2020, 05:49:16 PM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on April 11, 2020, 05:30:14 PM
What are your guy's hot takes about the geopolitics of a post-corona world?
What changes, who allies with who etc

Not sure it will change much of that directly. So far the biggest talking points seem to be : impact on pollution and possible rehearsal for a transition to more sustainable societies, the central importance of healthcare / social safety nets / a strong public hand, freedom of movement curtailed and borders rematerializing in a pinch.

Mistrust towards China, the EU being a ghost, the US derelict and the temptation to "bring the jobs back" and regain some amount of autarky are all a continuation of current trends.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Nintex on April 11, 2020, 05:49:37 PM
Quote from: shosta on April 11, 2020, 05:48:27 PM
Quote from: Nintex on April 11, 2020, 05:40:34 PM
[or] it becomes a federation.
you mean it centralizes more power in Brussels? Fat chance
It's either that or it all falls apart and we play the Moby song.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: OnlyRegret on April 11, 2020, 05:49:51 PM
Quote from: Nintex on April 11, 2020, 05:40:34 PM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on April 11, 2020, 05:30:14 PM
What are your guy's hot takes about the geopolitics of a post-corona world?
What changes, who allies with who etc
- The EU will realize everything is going too slow so either it all falls apart of it becomes a federation.
- Some countries already on the brink like Iran, Brazil and Venezuela fall apart in civil war, coups and the likes.
- Chinese investors will start a buying spree across Europe and elsewhere, increasing tensions between China and others
- Countries will move production back to their own soil and try to deglobalize
- The Russian/Saudi tensions over oil will escalate with the Trump family backing new king MBS and the Russians his rival family members
- Japan will built Gundams for real.

I naturally stand opposed to whatever you say, but I concede that there will be likely a deglobalization movement.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: OnlyRegret on April 11, 2020, 05:52:15 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on April 11, 2020, 05:49:16 PM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on April 11, 2020, 05:30:14 PM
What are your guy's hot takes about the geopolitics of a post-corona world?
What changes, who allies with who etc

Not sure it will change much of that directly. So far the biggest talking points seem to be : impact on pollution and possible rehearsal for a transition to more sustainable societies, the central importance of healthcare / social safety nets / a strong public hand, freedom of movement curtailed and borders rematerializing in a pinch.

Mistrust towards China, the EU being a ghost, the US derelict and the temptation to "bring the jobs back" and regain some amount of autarky are all a continuation of current trends.

Accelerate existing trends stance eh.
And that there good orange :juche
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: VomKriege on April 11, 2020, 06:13:13 PM
I'm sure there will be a lot more granular consequences to this but right now it's difficult to have an idea because all the "major" countries are in crisis mode (or just overcame the worst of it). There's concerns about oil and food supplies for this year for instance.

I don't think "deglobalization" will happen and I suspect efforts to divest from China will largely be marginal though nations will probably re-evaluate and enlarge what may count as "strategic industries" to include health supplies. If anything I think there will be efforts towards a better global response to pandemic risks.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: shosta on April 11, 2020, 06:16:57 PM
"deglobalization" is going to become a meme idea for some on the right and the left for a while but get silently shot out back when they try to work out the details and see it's nonsense... same as any other half baked idea like that

More likely "deglobalization" is used as a false pretense to move supply chains from China to Latin America or something so that they don't get disrupted when we nuke Fujian.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 11, 2020, 06:20:04 PM
If we have a large movement to value low wage jobs, I think a consequence of that will be increased domestic manufacturing.  If you have to pay a livable wage for grocery store workers, then it doesn't seem like manufacturing can't get the same treatment. 

I agree with Nin that either the EU federates or fails, in the long run though.  It's just too alienating for EU citizens to be in democracies but feel like they have no control over the EU as a whole. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: shosta on April 11, 2020, 06:21:46 PM
My personal idea is Spain, Italy, and Greece form their own Mediterranean union and we all get to go back to saying they're not white
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 11, 2020, 06:23:52 PM
I've been back there for a while.  Throw Irish in there too. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: OnlyRegret on April 11, 2020, 06:25:05 PM
Quote from: shosta on April 11, 2020, 06:16:57 PM
"deglobalization" is going to become a meme idea for some on the right and the left for a while but get silently shot out back when they try to work out the details and see it's nonsense... same as any other half baked idea like that

More likely "deglobalization" is used as a false pretense to move supply chains from China to Latin America or something so that they don't get disrupted when we nuke Fujian.

India*

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1248262343072636929
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: VomKriege on April 11, 2020, 06:25:19 PM
Quote from: shosta on April 11, 2020, 06:21:46 PM
My personal idea is Spain, Italy, and Greece form their own Mediterranean union and we all get to go back to saying they're not white

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_for_the_Mediterranean (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_for_the_Mediterranean)

Shostakozy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: shosta on April 11, 2020, 06:27:52 PM
I've decided to run for French president and emperor of Algeria, thanks Vom
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: OnlyRegret on April 11, 2020, 06:28:21 PM
Quote from: shosta on April 11, 2020, 06:21:46 PM
My personal idea is Spain, Italy, and Greece form their own Mediterranean union and we all get to go back to saying they're not white

"go back to"  ???
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Nintex on April 11, 2020, 06:40:52 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on April 11, 2020, 06:20:04 PM
I agree with Nin that either the EU federates or fails, in the long run though.  It's just too alienating for EU citizens to be in democracies but feel like they have no control over the EU as a whole.

The thing with big states taking over a lot of autonomy from smaller areas (Putin's Russia, Xi's China etc.) is that they strike a bargain with the population.
They continue to deliver on jobs, economic growth and security in exchange for freedom. This goes with ups and downs but Russia is far better off with the Putin regime than it was with Yeltsin.

The EU wants the power but they offer nothing in return. The Germans/Danes/Dutch etc. need to pay, the Italians, Greeks and French need to 'reform'.
None of the countries want to do what the EU wants them to do and because the interests of Berlin are far different from those of Lisbon or Rome there's nothing the EU can offer everyone
except that it is 'easier to trade and pay with a single currency', which in the era of online banking and crypto is a rather weak selling point.

You can't argue that the EU allows for a better foreign policy when none of the states agree and every leader visits Trump/Putin/Xi by themselves to cut deals instead.
At this point I can't tell you what the EU stands for that would make it appealing to a majority of Europeans.

We're now at the point that those who receive the money tell the ones paying for this shitshow to get out  :lol

https://twitter.com/Rob_Roos/status/1249082655930548227 (https://twitter.com/Rob_Roos/status/1249082655930548227)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Tripon on April 11, 2020, 06:58:49 PM
Does Denmark think they're the Texas of the EU, when in reality, they're more like the Wyoming?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: OnlyRegret on April 11, 2020, 06:59:32 PM
Quote from: Nintex on April 11, 2020, 06:40:52 PM


https://twitter.com/Rob_Roos/status/1249082655930548227 (https://twitter.com/Rob_Roos/status/1249082655930548227)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzpNE5MXgAEvea9.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Nintex on April 11, 2020, 07:12:08 PM
(https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/COTW_Sept20_EU-contributions-05-SHARE-1-1000x600.png)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKuEGddWkAUy2RM?format=png)

The UK already left of course and then there's also the debt to GDP ratio, which is below 50 - 60% for countries like Germany, Finland and The Netherlands and above 100% - 120% for countries like Italy, Portugal, Spain and Greece.
Which is why those states desperately want Eurobonds.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: shosta on April 11, 2020, 07:24:25 PM
Quote from: Nintex on April 11, 2020, 06:40:52 PM
We're now at the point that those who receive the money tell the ones paying for this shitshow to get out  :lol
Germany has a GDP of nearly 4 trillion and you think because they pay 20B to the EU budget (which is for, what, administration and customs?) they're doing their part :lol

I hate you so much sometimes
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: OnlyRegret on April 11, 2020, 07:28:20 PM
France and Italy are net exporters yet you say you Dutch "need to pay" them.
:curious

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: OnlyRegret on April 11, 2020, 07:29:49 PM
Quote from: shosta on April 11, 2020, 07:24:25 PM
Quote from: Nintex on April 11, 2020, 06:40:52 PM
We're now at the point that those who receive the money tell the ones paying for this shitshow to get out  :lol
Germany has a GDP of nearly 4 trillion and you think because they pay 20B to the EU budget (which is for, what, administration and customs?) they're doing their part :lol

I hate you so much sometimes

I wonder if you did the numbers on various EU nitty-gritty whether Germany benefits more than it pays.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: shosta on April 11, 2020, 07:34:20 PM
almost every country benefits more than it pays because of the free trade region. comparative statics  :borys
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Nintex on April 11, 2020, 08:14:07 PM
Germany benefits the most from the EU.
Low unemployment, low interest rates, cheap exports, large open market. It is basically the engine the rest of the EU is running on.

Countries like Greece and Italy benefited early on because they could get cheap credit to finance their bloated public sectors and vanity projects.
The idea was that if they joined the EU in time they would be more fiscally responsible, which of course never happened because everyone started running higher deficits.

The funds (ESM) they're now tapping into for the corona spending was basically the 'big bazooka' that was created by the wealthier EU states to end the Euro credit crisis.
With pretty much the understanding that it wouldn't be used for anything else. The ESM was never meant to service short term debt and crisis spending. 
Which is why at the moment no one has the faintest clue how this money is going to and can be put to use.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 11, 2020, 08:32:47 PM
Quote from: Nintex on April 11, 2020, 08:14:07 PM
Germany benefits the most from the EU. ... It is basically the engine the rest of the EU is running on.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Nintex on April 11, 2020, 08:42:39 PM
Here's example 348943 of why the EU is fucking useless.

This infographic
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUmF9RNXgAAPOCh?format=jpg)

It tells you absolutely nothing. #COVID19

And this looks like a fake news article you would find in Deus Ex
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVE_cFSUMAESZDL?format=jpg)

#CORONAVIRUS
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: curly on April 11, 2020, 10:01:18 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/RaynerSkyNews/status/1249053547808927747
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Nintex on April 12, 2020, 10:37:35 AM
Germans trying to save the EU
https://twitter.com/antoguerrera/status/1249254483969933314 (https://twitter.com/antoguerrera/status/1249254483969933314)

Meanwhile
https://twitter.com/POLITICOEurope/status/1249064758055260165 (https://twitter.com/POLITICOEurope/status/1249064758055260165)

https://twitter.com/POLITICOEurope/status/1249057170899025920 (https://twitter.com/POLITICOEurope/status/1249057170899025920)

https://twitter.com/POLITICOEurope/status/1249223223960653825 (https://twitter.com/POLITICOEurope/status/1249223223960653825)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Tripon on April 12, 2020, 12:51:08 PM
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1249378505114214403
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Nintex on April 12, 2020, 05:40:56 PM
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1249421295890108418 (https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1249421295890108418)

When we getting free money
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Raist on April 12, 2020, 07:13:55 PM
He could probably fund it by selling a couple random trinkets from the Vatican.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Mr Gilhaney on April 15, 2020, 07:27:41 AM
https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1250332372798541824

talk about getting rekt
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Pissy F Benny on April 15, 2020, 07:39:34 AM
Imagine being such a piece of shit you get easily owned by Piers Morgan :tocry

He used to get bodied in twitter beeves by even the thickest footballers :heh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Mr Gilhaney on April 15, 2020, 07:43:51 AM
Oh yeah. Piers is an absolute distinguished mentally-challenged fellow, and the only person who can rival Osama Bin Laden for the worst Arsenal fan award.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: VomKriege on April 18, 2020, 03:40:04 PM
14 people, including lawyers, have been arrested by the HK police for their participation in some of the protests last year.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: team filler on April 18, 2020, 03:47:27 PM
good
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: shosta on April 18, 2020, 03:53:40 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on April 18, 2020, 03:40:04 PM
14 people, including lawyers
way to bury the lede. the people arrested are some of the most important in the democratic movement.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: VomKriege on April 18, 2020, 03:56:21 PM
Quote from: hhkcvaoitsso on April 18, 2020, 03:53:40 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on April 18, 2020, 03:40:04 PM
14 people, including lawyers
way to bury the lede. the people arrested are some of the most important in the democratic movement.

:juche

spoiler (click to show/hide)
That was kind of implied.
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: team filler on April 19, 2020, 07:53:24 AM
https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1251837960749813762
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Nintex on April 19, 2020, 08:36:37 AM
Quote
The US federal government is way too mean toward China. President Donald Trump and his cabinet members and high officials have intensified their efforts to slander China. China needs to take necessary actions and express its strong dissatisfaction.
:reeeee

Quote
Let's wait and see what Washington can do to us.
:trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Occam on April 19, 2020, 05:13:27 PM
By the way, I'm glad Boris Johnson recovered. I want him to live to see the gigantic failure he has caused.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Raist on April 19, 2020, 05:17:40 PM
I'm sure he'll give a single fuck.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Tripon on April 19, 2020, 05:31:48 PM
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1251985890274148352

wtf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Occam on April 19, 2020, 05:37:42 PM
Quote from: Raist on April 19, 2020, 05:17:40 PM
I'm sure he'll give a single fuck.

He failed upwards all his life. Now he has nowhere to go but down. His downfall is going to be cathartic.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 20, 2020, 10:11:39 AM
https://twitter.com/TheWindsorStar/status/1252231899927347202

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 20, 2020, 10:27:20 AM
https://globalnews.ca/news/6840908/coronavirus-house-of-commons-reopen/

SMH
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Occam on April 20, 2020, 04:16:02 PM
Negative oil price. You now get paid to take oil.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 20, 2020, 04:31:27 PM
Quote from: Occam on April 20, 2020, 04:16:02 PM
Negative oil price. You now get paid to take oil.

I just drove up to the gas station and said "fill me up, daddy" and walked away with a tenner. Totally works.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: team filler on April 20, 2020, 04:32:27 PM
they even tipped me for letting them pump my gas for me  ::)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 20, 2020, 04:53:20 PM
Quote from: Occam on April 20, 2020, 04:16:02 PM
Negative oil price. You now get paid to take oil.

:klob
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Tripon on April 20, 2020, 09:41:25 PM
https://twitter.com/Rover829/status/1252394645025251332
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: OnlyRegret on April 20, 2020, 10:04:52 PM
Quote from: Tripon on April 20, 2020, 09:41:25 PM
https://twitter.com/Rover829/status/1252394645025251332

I no longer know what to think of NK so I've no opinion on this
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 20, 2020, 10:25:16 PM
Quote from: Tripon on April 20, 2020, 09:41:25 PM
https://twitter.com/Rover829/status/1252394645025251332

Out of an abundance of caution.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: benjipwns on April 20, 2020, 10:25:16 PM
thoughts and prayers for the Kim family
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: shosta on April 20, 2020, 10:31:33 PM
I'm ready for Supreme Leader Dennis Rodman
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: toku on April 20, 2020, 10:49:50 PM
https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1252426458863026177
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Propagandhim on April 21, 2020, 12:36:48 AM
Heart surgery?  Isn't he like 34?  That's rough.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Pissy F Benny on April 21, 2020, 01:20:35 AM
Jongy :stahp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: team filler on April 21, 2020, 04:10:09 AM
 ::)

https://twitter.com/27khv/status/1252503834926239746
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: team filler on April 21, 2020, 04:14:46 AM
https://twitter.com/swilkinsonbc/status/1252507804977508352

 :pacspit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 21, 2020, 11:31:48 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/kCfZt68.jpg)

:dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: team filler on April 21, 2020, 11:39:51 AM
https://twitter.com/eshaLegal/status/1252585584910090245

 :juche
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: team filler on April 21, 2020, 12:27:48 PM
https://twitter.com/27khv/status/1252632541250629637

putin da gawd  :pimp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: OnlyRegret on April 21, 2020, 07:36:05 PM
 :-[

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/FKfG6jByXfs/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Nintex on April 24, 2020, 04:47:53 PM
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1253697384716124160 (https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1253697384716124160)

Moro was the guy who went after Dilma and Lula.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Nintex on April 24, 2020, 05:21:48 PM
 :drudge

Reports coming in from Asian sources that Kim Jun Un is dead.

https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1253760139380867073 (https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1253760139380867073)

https://twitter.com/joshjonsmith/status/1253808334404124672 (https://twitter.com/joshjonsmith/status/1253808334404124672)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 24, 2020, 07:52:22 PM
Trump crying on camera because Kim Jong Un died is what we need right now.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Nintex on April 24, 2020, 08:01:46 PM
RIP Rocket Man  :'(
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on April 24, 2020, 08:11:12 PM
Does this mean North Korea is going to become a military dictatorship?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: D3RANG3D on April 24, 2020, 10:13:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3lmkwvfcew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Tripon on April 24, 2020, 10:20:53 PM
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1253811177978822658
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 24, 2020, 10:31:20 PM
North Korea is China now.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Pissy F Benny on April 25, 2020, 02:14:12 PM
https://twitter.com/tmz/status/1254103393481527296

:stahp :stahp :stahp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Nintex on April 25, 2020, 02:53:05 PM
Here's what I gathered so far reading the different pieces of the puzzle:
- Kim collapsed, rushed to hospital, North Korea signaled China for help
- China was prepared to send a team but it would take some time to get them to Kim's location
- North Korean doctors (one of them trained in China) feared the help would not arrive in time as Kim's condition worsened
- The North Korean doctors decided to operate on their own, one of them was apparently nervous to operate on the body of dear leader
- A procedure that should've taken 30 seconds to a minute took a full 8 minutes, leaving Kim in a vegetative state
- Kim being obese apparently also complicated the procedure
- North Korea once more asked Chinese doctors to help, hoping that they could perhaps do something to save dear leader
- The Chinese concluded that Kim was already (brain) dead and nothing could be done
- China has mobilized border forces and activated their agents in case Kim's sister turns to the US (after all she spearheaded the diplomatic efforts between Trump/Kim)
- North Korea has mobilized ICBM launchers during the last 48 hours

Tomorrow there is a big celebration in North Korea.
So they could announce his death and successor soon.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: shosta on April 25, 2020, 02:54:59 PM
They couldn't get a stent into my dad and he's not nearly as fat as Kim. You have to do a bypass at that point, which is a lot riskier.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: shosta on April 25, 2020, 06:05:43 PM
https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1254169169484013569

Love this. Not a fan of North Korea but this is a victory for women all over the world.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: nachobro on April 25, 2020, 06:45:33 PM
yes but only because the usa narrowly avoided one in 2016
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Propagandhim on April 25, 2020, 07:46:13 PM
Quote from: Stro on April 25, 2020, 06:39:53 PM
Will she be the first female dictator

Quote
- China has mobilized border forces and activated their agents in case Kim's sister turns to the US (after all she spearheaded the diplomatic efforts between Trump/Kim)

You know guys, she has a name.


 :social
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Nintex on April 25, 2020, 08:08:14 PM
We've given angry mommy waifu many memes she should not complain  :hmph
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: curly on April 25, 2020, 10:35:10 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/goth_dad/status/1254157909203673090

Well damn
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: OnlyRegret on April 25, 2020, 10:40:41 PM
albions, someone get a pair of calipers cause there is a mystery to get to the bottom of
:pacspit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: OnlyRegret on April 26, 2020, 12:59:31 AM
https://twitter.com/energymutodi/status/1253779434290757633
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Nintex on April 26, 2020, 03:12:16 PM
jesus they're really doing this. tricking the feminists is even easier than I thought

https://twitter.com/KateAndrs/status/1254482741594292224 (https://twitter.com/KateAndrs/status/1254482741594292224)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Pissy F Benny on April 26, 2020, 03:34:30 PM
She needs a glow up imo before I can form any real opinion on her :rash
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 26, 2020, 03:59:14 PM
She should smile more.   
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Kunai With Chain on April 27, 2020, 08:19:09 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWknI75WsAAjY8L?format=jpg&name=large)

 :dead

Why even drag it out? Extending the embargo is not possible, so might as well try to see if they can even do the snap back now instead of this whole charade of trying to bully the other participants.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Nintex on April 27, 2020, 01:02:35 PM
Pompeo means he's going to actually put in the shredder on the next UN ZOOM meeting while the US anthem plays.
Until now they've only revoked it 'on paper'.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
Post by: Tripon on April 27, 2020, 02:18:11 PM
https://twitter.com/thoughtxriot/status/1254822108598882311
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: team filler on April 27, 2020, 05:39:20 PM
https://twitter.com/DrZhaoyongchen/status/1254466985028718592

the chad 5,000 years of civilization vs the virgin 244 years of history  :goldberg
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 27, 2020, 05:43:22 PM
OK Boomer civilization.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: team filler on April 27, 2020, 05:47:55 PM
lil babbies first global pandemic  :neogaf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: Nintex on April 27, 2020, 06:36:30 PM
https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1254900862134206467 (https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1254900862134206467)

 :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: team filler on April 27, 2020, 06:56:53 PM
https://twitter.com/manuelzr/status/1254639118681812994

 :titus
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: team filler on April 27, 2020, 08:28:27 PM
https://twitter.com/MikePrysner/status/1254219815855616000

 :pimp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: Transhuman on April 28, 2020, 12:09:55 PM
Bitch looks like sexy Voldemort, no offence
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: team filler on April 28, 2020, 05:29:31 PM
https://twitter.com/redfishstream/status/1255101243422322688

https://twitter.com/dankestofbread/status/1255153815835176978
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: OnlyRegret on April 29, 2020, 01:22:12 AM
vibin'

https://twitter.com/marinamaral2/status/1254777515869999104

https://twitter.com/JeffM2869/status/1254810818497183745
Quote
@JeffM2869
The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle. Gen. John (Black Jack) Pershing, U.S. Army Commander of American Forces in World War I

interesting he'd shed a tear for benny's dignity...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: Nintex on April 29, 2020, 04:45:46 PM
I have Marina's book: "The Color of Time" her work is utterly fantastic,  :heart

Next book releases August I think
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: Occam on April 30, 2020, 11:34:42 AM
75 years ago today (at 3:30pm local time), Hitler blew out his brains with his Walther PPK. Does that count as international politics?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: Nintex on April 30, 2020, 12:01:43 PM
Quote from: Occam on April 30, 2020, 11:34:42 AM
75 years ago today (at 3:30pm local time), Hitler blew out his brains with his Walther PPK. Does that count as international politics?
You mean his body double
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: team filler on April 30, 2020, 12:04:20 PM
https://ve.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_q92gg54ws11yyv42c.mp4
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: Tripon on April 30, 2020, 09:49:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h43S34daX-U
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: Rufus on May 01, 2020, 10:28:18 AM
What do people expect the WHO to do? Take a stand when not even most countries do? To what end? ???
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: Tripon on May 01, 2020, 11:49:20 AM
Quote from: Rufus on May 01, 2020, 10:28:18 AM
What do people expect the WHO to do? Take a stand when not even most countries do? To what end? ???

To adopt better practices that will help save lives? The WHO and the world at large should study what Taiwan did right alongside other countries that was able to manage this pandemic as best as possible (South Korea, Vietnam, etc).

To all the people who are screaming open now, we never should have shut down, etc. Taiwan shown a model where they never had to 'shut down', protected their citizens by and large and was able to effectively distribute supplies to people and did it domestically.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: Rufus on May 01, 2020, 12:17:15 PM
Quote from: Tripon on May 01, 2020, 11:49:20 AM
To adopt better practices that will help save lives? The WHO and the world at large should study what Taiwan did right alongside other countries that was able to manage this pandemic as best as possible (South Korea, Vietnam, etc).

To all the people who are screaming open now, we never should have shut down, etc. Taiwan shown a model where they never had to 'shut down', protected their citizens by and large and was able to effectively distribute supplies to people and did it domestically.
I'm sure scientists at the WHO would love to co-operate with Taiwan fully and officially, but their hands are tied. If member states stood up to China first and officially recognized Taiwan as a sovereign nation, they'd have actual leverage to drop the one-China policy, but they don't, so China gets to push them around, including stone-walling them on studying the initial spread.

They can't fix this themselves. They can't even make it look good.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: Nintex on May 01, 2020, 12:23:01 PM
An organization called the World Healh Organization should focus on the health of every earthling regardless of where they live and not LARP as Spectre.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: Rufus on May 01, 2020, 12:44:49 PM
Moral grandstanding isn't going to grant them the necessary powers.

What you want/need for your fantasy is a world government.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: Occam on May 01, 2020, 05:34:54 PM
Quote from: Esch on April 30, 2020, 09:14:36 PM
:lol

https://twitter.com/huwlemmey/status/1255817355025883138

And they seem to think Hitler died in 1950.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: Ghoul on May 01, 2020, 06:52:04 PM
The update today in U.K. was so weird. Like one minute they’re talking deaths next they’re like BTW IVF open again

It was just a weird moment almost like Boris being a dad again was like I know what I’ll do to celebrate my new newest son give others the chance to have kids whilst the economy is in flames.

Weird as fuck
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: Nintex on May 01, 2020, 06:58:42 PM
https://twitter.com/the_levantist/status/1256233138956709889 (https://twitter.com/the_levantist/status/1256233138956709889)

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: Tripon on May 01, 2020, 08:21:48 PM
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1256377644146405377
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: Nintex on May 01, 2020, 08:31:34 PM
Quote
Schiller thought Goudreau was naive and in over his head. He cut off all contact following the meeting, said a person close to the former White House official.
Imagine if your plot is too wild for Trump's bodyguard.  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: team filler on May 03, 2020, 06:58:03 PM
https://twitter.com/timand2037/status/1257053831029907456
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: Nintex on May 03, 2020, 06:59:33 PM
Quote from: filler on May 03, 2020, 06:58:03 PM
https://twitter.com/timand2037/status/1257053831029907456
That's what they think, what they don't know is that they're going straight to Arizona to be extra's at a Trump rally  :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: Nintex on May 04, 2020, 08:40:24 AM
https://twitter.com/muntazer_zaidi/status/1256764307548897280 (https://twitter.com/muntazer_zaidi/status/1256764307548897280)
 :dice

spoiler (click to show/hide)
shoe man
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: team filler on May 04, 2020, 11:50:19 PM
https://twitter.com/camilateleSUR/status/1257491295947415553

https://twitter.com/camilateleSUR/status/1257505583911108610

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: team filler on May 05, 2020, 12:49:32 AM
https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1257529383885176834


 :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow2 :bow2 :bow2 :bow2 :bow2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: VomKriege on May 05, 2020, 01:16:35 AM
Quote from: Esch on May 01, 2020, 07:44:38 PM
:dead

https://twitter.com/SamCowie84/status/1256326858737475584

I checked to see if it was the same one that wandered into the  counter-CPAC event hosted by a very drunk Alex Jones but apparently not, it's his brother.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: team filler on May 05, 2020, 03:14:06 AM
https://twitter.com/taseenb/status/1257457929386672128

 :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: Momo on May 05, 2020, 02:33:36 PM
This Venezuela thing is performatively weird and surreal.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: shosta on May 05, 2020, 02:37:06 PM
Quote from: Momo on May 05, 2020, 02:33:36 PM
This Venezuela thing is performatively weird and surreal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walker_affair

Quote
The liberal elite of León was losing the struggle to unseat the conservative elite of Granada and turned for help to a San Francisco-based soldier of fortune named William Walker. Walker was known as an adventurer who sought to take control of Latin American countries with the purpose of making them a part of the United States.[2]

Walker sailed in June 1855 from California to Nicaragua with a small band of armed Californians. After some initial military setbacks, he and his liberal allies took Granada in October and set up a coalition government.
President Walker's house in Granada, Nicaragua. On October 12, 1856, during the siege of Granada, Guatemalan officer José Víctor Zavala ran under heavy fire to capture the Walker flag and bring it back to the Central American coalition army trenches shouting Filibuster bullets don't kill! Zavala survived this adventure unscathed.[3]
Representation of La Pedrada, scene of Andrés Castro overthrowing American filibuster invaders in the Battle of San Jacinto during the War of 1856 in Nicaragua. Oil on canvas painting by the Chilean painter, Luis Vergara Ahumada.

By 1856, Walker declared himself president, re-instituted slavery, and made English the official language. U.S. President Franklin Pierce recognized his Nicaraguan government.

A movement arose to expel Walker and his army. This proved to be a long and costly process. Costa Rica, Honduras, and other Central American countries united to drive Walker out in 1857.[4] During this time, Granada was burned and thousands of Central Americans lost their lives.[citation needed] The final battle of what Nicaraguans called the "National War" (1856–57) took place in the spring of 1857 in the town of Rivas, near the Costa Rican border. Walker beat off the attacks, but the effort diminished the strength and morale of his forces and he soon succumbed.

The National War made for the cooperation between the Liberal and Conservative parties, which had brought Walker to Nicaragua.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: Momo on May 05, 2020, 02:39:27 PM
Yip that's about the level of human I'm talking about
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: shosta on May 05, 2020, 02:44:17 PM
Quote from: Momo on May 05, 2020, 02:39:27 PM
Yip that's about the level of human I'm talking about
as you can see, this combination of settler mentality, yahoo recklessness, and pinnacle selfishness is a uniquely american derangement
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: team filler on May 05, 2020, 03:04:16 PM
trumpy is really bad at this imperialism thing  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: Nintex on May 05, 2020, 03:07:43 PM
I think it's more like Putin's Russia. Private / former military dudes try to get the attention of the leader by doing things they think he wants.
This would've leaked weeks ago otherwise  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: team filler on May 05, 2020, 05:50:49 PM
https://twitter.com/Garou_Hidalgo/status/1257784826872070145
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: Tripon on May 05, 2020, 06:00:46 PM
https://twitter.com/JSomm_/status/1257518504233893888
https://twitter.com/uncannyafghani/status/1257649225623572485
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: Nintex on May 05, 2020, 06:21:45 PM
New York Times fact checks: 

Trump: "The Whole World Laughs at us"

Not the entire world laughs at the United States. For example for Syrian refugees and the very powerful Chinese military which recently celebrated a new milestone in military technology to become a global super power in the ongoing struggle against an imperialist oppressor is no laughing matter. But smaller and less powerful countries that should be afraid of the not-so powerful superpower have dismissed warnings and did indeed make jokes at the expense of the United States of America. 
 
We rate this blatant lie 3/5 Pinocchio's
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on May 05, 2020, 07:54:08 PM
They livetweeted the invasion.
:era

https://mobile.twitter.com/SilvercorpUsa/status/1257098586409644032
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: Nintex on May 05, 2020, 07:58:12 PM
Quote from: Skullfuckers Anonymous on May 05, 2020, 07:54:08 PM
They livetweeted the invasion.
:era

https://mobile.twitter.com/SilvercorpUsa/status/1257098586409644032

 :rejoice

During the weekends Trump will check his mentions and retweet them.

"Thank you!"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: VomKriege on May 05, 2020, 07:59:54 PM
Not to lionize fascist Coups from the past, God knows a lot were sloppy or poorly designed and carried, but how is this even possible ?
 :mindblown
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: Nintex on May 05, 2020, 08:07:39 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on May 05, 2020, 07:59:54 PM
Not to lionize fascist Coups from the past, God knows a lot were sloppy or poorly designed and carried, but how is this even possible ?
 :mindblown
These are the plots we know about. Imagine the stuff that has been going on behind the scenes in Trump-land for the past 3 years.  :lol :doge

On a scale of blackmailing Zelensky to go on CNN and buying Greenland, overthrowing an embattled communist regime is hardly crazy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: team filler on May 06, 2020, 03:06:45 AM
https://twitter.com/Peter63662755/status/1257256365644320768

 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: Pennywise on May 06, 2020, 07:04:47 AM
https://twitter.com/camunatas/status/1257716778257580033

https://twitter.com/iLLDieGoPCM/status/1257499616146345991


 :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: team filler on May 06, 2020, 11:10:15 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Sf8TWKY.jpg) :pimp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: VomKriege on May 06, 2020, 08:12:53 PM
Quote from: Esch on May 06, 2020, 08:09:31 PM
https://twitter.com/brazilianboomer?s=09

Diving into this has melted my brain. I can't believe how similar brazilboomers are to ameriboomers and how so many of the same ideas translate across borders even in dumbfuck meme form.

:whew

Translator's note : Sőros means Soros.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 06, 2020, 10:02:09 PM
Boomer knows no national boundaries.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo beat the bug
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 06, 2020, 10:08:11 PM
Quote from: hhkcvaoitsso on May 05, 2020, 02:37:06 PM
Quote from: Momo on May 05, 2020, 02:33:36 PM
This Venezuela thing is performatively weird and surreal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walker_affair

Quote
The liberal elite of León was losing the struggle to unseat the conservative elite of Granada and turned for help to a San Francisco-based soldier of fortune named William Walker. Walker was known as an adventurer who sought to take control of Latin American countries with the purpose of making them a part of the United States.[2]

Walker sailed in June 1855 from California to Nicaragua with a small band of armed Californians. After some initial military setbacks, he and his liberal allies took Granada in October and set up a coalition government.
President Walker's house in Granada, Nicaragua. On October 12, 1856, during the siege of Granada, Guatemalan officer José Víctor Zavala ran under heavy fire to capture the Walker flag and bring it back to the Central American coalition army trenches shouting Filibuster bullets don't kill! Zavala survived this adventure unscathed.[3]
Representation of La Pedrada, scene of Andrés Castro overthrowing American filibuster invaders in the Battle of San Jacinto during the War of 1856 in Nicaragua. Oil on canvas painting by the Chilean painter, Luis Vergara Ahumada.

By 1856, Walker declared himself president, re-instituted slavery, and made English the official language. U.S. President Franklin Pierce recognized his Nicaraguan government.

A movement arose to expel Walker and his army. This proved to be a long and costly process. Costa Rica, Honduras, and other Central American countries united to drive Walker out in 1857.[4] During this time, Granada was burned and thousands of Central Americans lost their lives.[citation needed] The final battle of what Nicaraguans called the "National War" (1856–57) took place in the spring of 1857 in the town of Rivas, near the Costa Rican border. Walker beat off the attacks, but the effort diminished the strength and morale of his forces and he soon succumbed.

The National War made for the cooperation between the Liberal and Conservative parties, which had brought Walker to Nicaragua.

Back when Liberals got things done.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: VomKriege on May 08, 2020, 09:08:22 AM
Could go in the Corona thread but apparently Pompeo's bluster about how the virus might have been released from the P4 Wuhan lab was apparently based on a Five Eyes report. The UK, Canada and Australia didn't agree with that assessment, which seems like it's not inconsequential. The lab hypothesis, as it has been reported since, also didn't assume any intentionality or malice.

As it has been remarked and you would, no doubt, assume by yourself : It's not politically advantageous for the UK, Canada and Australia to come out and point too loudly that conclusion was not unanimous.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: team filler on May 08, 2020, 01:00:25 PM
https://twitter.com/VEJA/status/1258743201571069952

https://twitter.com/TerezaSylvio/status/1258780244552622080

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: VomKriege on May 09, 2020, 07:31:28 AM
France withdrew a medal it awarded in 1985 to Ricardo Cavallo who was convicted twice (2011, 2017) of crimes against humanity for carrying out kidnapping and torture under the Argentinian Junta.
:dead

Apparently he was given his award for his post as Naval attaché to the Argentinian embassy in Paris, where he was placed in the final years of the Junta.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: team filler on May 09, 2020, 02:29:03 PM
https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/status/1259170975473643531

 :hmm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: VomKriege on May 09, 2020, 02:32:24 PM
Did he then brag about all the magnificent hardware of the Canadian army ?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 09, 2020, 02:38:50 PM
He bragged to the children. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: VomKriege on May 10, 2020, 04:38:19 AM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on May 09, 2020, 02:38:50 PM
He bragged to the children.

"Are your parents out of the room ? Good. I am going to tell you a secret, keep it for yourself. Have you heard about Le Manifeste du Parti Communiste ?"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: team filler on May 10, 2020, 01:52:54 PM
"Are your parents out of the room ? Good. I am going to tell you a secret, keep it for yourself. Have you heard about a little thing I like to call le zwarte peter ?"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: team filler on May 10, 2020, 11:55:56 PM
https://twitter.com/camilateleSUR/status/1259670481638129664

maduro da gawd  :juche
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Tripon on May 11, 2020, 11:30:30 AM
Quote
TEHRAN  —  A missile fired during an Iranian training exercise mistakenly struck a naval vessel instead of its intended target in waters near the strategic Strait of Hormuz, killing 19 sailors and wounding 15 others, Iranian authorities said Monday.
The bungled training exercises took place Sunday and raised new questions about the readiness of the Islamic Republic’s armed forces amid heightened tensions with U.S., just months after they accidentally shot down a Ukrainian jetliner near Tehran, killing 176 passengers.

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-05-10/iran-missile-strikes-own-ship-kills-1-sailor-hurts-others
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 11, 2020, 11:54:57 AM
This is the country that America's leaders want us to be afraid of? :neogaf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: VomKriege on May 11, 2020, 02:18:25 PM
A 37 years old German TV journalist filed a complaint against former president Valery Giscard D'Estaing (97 years old) for inappropriate touching after an interview she conducted with him two years ago.

French presidents being horndogs is pretty much par for the course but you'd think VGE could probably some sexual healing with consent instead of fondling reporters.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Nintex on May 11, 2020, 02:34:59 PM
Quote from: Tripon on May 11, 2020, 11:30:30 AM
Quote
TEHRAN  —  A missile fired during an Iranian training exercise mistakenly struck a naval vessel instead of its intended target in waters near the strategic Strait of Hormuz, killing 19 sailors and wounding 15 others, Iranian authorities said Monday.
The bungled training exercises took place Sunday and raised new questions about the readiness of the Islamic Republic’s armed forces amid heightened tensions with U.S., just months after they accidentally shot down a Ukrainian jetliner near Tehran, killing 176 passengers.

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-05-10/iran-missile-strikes-own-ship-kills-1-sailor-hurts-others

"It is time to rescue Iranian sailors and their majestic battleships"

By John Bolton for the New York Times
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: team filler on May 11, 2020, 02:41:06 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on May 11, 2020, 02:18:25 PM
A 37 years old German TV journalist filed a complaint against former president Valery Giscard D'Estaing (97 years old) for inappropriate touching after an interview she conducted with him two years ago.

French presidents being horndogs is pretty much par for the course but you'd think VGE could probably some sexual healing with consent instead of fondling reporters.
pics of journalist?  :drool
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 11, 2020, 02:59:51 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on May 11, 2020, 02:18:25 PM
A 37 years old German TV journalist filed a complaint against former president Valery Giscard D'Estaing (97 years old) for inappropriate touching after an interview she conducted with him two years ago.

French presidents being horndogs is pretty much par for the course but you'd think VGE could probably some sexual healing with consent instead of fondling reporters.

Bush Sr. was apparently still quite a horndog despite being in his 90s and confined to a wheelchair.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 11, 2020, 03:01:23 PM
its all he had to live for after getting owned by homer simpson :corona_rodney
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Tripon on May 11, 2020, 10:33:51 PM
https://twitter.com/gaylelemmon/status/1260033578592694272
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 12, 2020, 10:40:37 AM
Before I decide if he is guilty, I need to know where those come from.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Rufus on May 12, 2020, 12:15:23 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on May 12, 2020, 10:40:37 AM
Before I decide if he is guilty, I need to know where those come from.
Vampirella on the right.

No idea about the other one.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Nintex on May 12, 2020, 12:24:43 PM
Quote from: Tripon on May 11, 2020, 10:33:51 PM
https://twitter.com/gaylelemmon/status/1260033578592694272
Another blow to Spectre  8)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 12, 2020, 01:27:14 PM
Quote from: Rufus on May 12, 2020, 12:15:23 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on May 12, 2020, 10:40:37 AM
Before I decide if he is guilty, I need to know where those come from.
Vampirella on the right.

No idea about the other one.
He's in the clear.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Mandark on May 13, 2020, 05:18:56 AM
UK: Treasury blueprint to raise taxes and freeze wages to pay for Ł300bn coronavirus bill (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/12/exclusive-treasury-blueprint-raise-taxes-freeze-wages-pay-300bn/)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Nintex on May 13, 2020, 05:49:37 PM
In the never ending EU drama the EU has reprimanded the Dutch with a letter about ticket vouchers.
When your flight is cancelled due to COVID-19 you should get a refund or you can receive a voucher for a later flight. But instead Dutch travel agencies only do vouchers so they don't have to pay for refunds.
The EU happily announced today that new guidelines and regulations would give everyone access to refunds, thus protecting the rights of travelers.
https://twitter.com/dreynders/status/1260612292602998785 (https://twitter.com/dreynders/status/1260612292602998785)

But the Dutch government supports the vouchers scheme because people who were going to travel did already spend their money anyway and thus had the 'financial headroom' to do so and have no immediate need for a refund. (actual quote from our government)
Plus they just wired 4 billion to KLM part of KLM Air France, which they partly own and is the most notorious for issuing such vouchers instead of refunds.

The EU is angry and has send a letter condemning this and demands our PM to press for refunds as well as compensate travelers in case the travel agency or airlines do not or can't as this was agreed on a European level.
Our PM did a bit of Dutch Directness and said he would continue to support the vouchers as the EU has no method to enforce this agreement or sanction us if we ignore their guidelines.
 
He said that he had a few vouchers himself and we should show some solidarity with the airlines and travel companies instead.
Which was another jab at the Italians, Spanish and others who keep hurling insults at us for not showing 'solidarity'.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: team filler on May 15, 2020, 05:55:17 PM
tulsi warned us  :pimp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Tripon on May 15, 2020, 06:14:09 PM
https://twitter.com/BenBartenstein/status/1261265308880420864
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: shosta on May 15, 2020, 06:18:51 PM
It's worth mentioning that they've been against the sanctions since the beginning of this whole charade. The US is representing its own interests, not the oppositions, so it doesn't matter how much they beg or plead.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: team filler on May 15, 2020, 06:19:57 PM
https://twitter.com/Ian56789/status/1261414052150104065

(https://i.imgur.com/TUKj2QN.png)

 :yuck
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Tripon on May 15, 2020, 07:43:16 PM
https://twitter.com/MiamiHerald/status/1261411353589399552
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Raist on May 16, 2020, 01:54:30 PM
Quote from: Nintex on May 13, 2020, 05:49:37 PM
In the never ending EU drama the EU has reprimanded the Dutch with a letter about ticket vouchers.
When your flight is cancelled due to COVID-19 you should get a refund or you can receive a voucher for a later flight. But instead Dutch travel agencies only do vouchers so they don't have to pay for refunds.
The EU happily announced today that new guidelines and regulations would give everyone access to refunds, thus protecting the rights of travelers.
https://twitter.com/dreynders/status/1260612292602998785 (https://twitter.com/dreynders/status/1260612292602998785)

But the Dutch government supports the vouchers scheme because people who were going to travel did already spend their money anyway and thus had the 'financial headroom' to do so and have no immediate need for a refund. (actual quote from our government)
Plus they just wired 4 billion to KLM part of KLM Air France, which they partly own and is the most notorious for issuing such vouchers instead of refunds.

The EU is angry and has send a letter condemning this and demands our PM to press for refunds as well as compensate travelers in case the travel agency or airlines do not or can't as this was agreed on a European level.
Our PM did a bit of Dutch Directness and said he would continue to support the vouchers as the EU has no method to enforce this agreement or sanction us if we ignore their guidelines.
 
He said that he had a few vouchers himself and we should show some solidarity with the airlines and travel companies instead.
Which was another jab at the Italians, Spanish and others who keep hurling insults at us for not showing 'solidarity'.


To summarize Nintex and his folks' feelings:

:crybaby
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: team filler on May 17, 2020, 03:18:42 AM
https://twitter.com/wallacemick/status/1261744000396152842

 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Tripon on May 17, 2020, 11:53:38 AM
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1262046240876965888

--

https://twitter.com/sharkbiotech/status/1262027614501437442

Is this Filler content or anti-filler content?  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 17, 2020, 09:46:15 PM
Quote from: filler on May 17, 2020, 03:18:42 AM
https://twitter.com/wallacemick/status/1261744000396152842

 :kermit

Would you rather he dropped all the bombs on non-Muslim countries? :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: nachobro on May 17, 2020, 11:11:25 PM
of course the kenyan false president would favor the muslim country with bombs over the non-muslim country. typical ::)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: team filler on May 19, 2020, 01:44:07 AM
https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1262618406756298752

 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: team filler on May 19, 2020, 06:40:36 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/sGfHcfI.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 19, 2020, 05:02:04 PM
https://twitter.com/balkissoon/status/1262750132748972032
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Nintex on May 19, 2020, 06:11:17 PM
Looks like *checks notes* Ethiopia and Egypt are going to war

https://twitter.com/eha_news/status/1262843507154305030 (https://twitter.com/eha_news/status/1262843507154305030)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: team filler on May 20, 2020, 02:25:10 PM
https://twitter.com/Marwa__Osman/status/1263140964140548101

 :playa
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: shosta on May 20, 2020, 02:32:30 PM
If you told me four years ago that they'd be shipping gasoline to Venezuela I would have looked at you like you were crazy :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Crash Dummy on May 21, 2020, 04:30:45 AM
Quote from: hhkcvaoitsso on May 20, 2020, 02:32:30 PM
If you told me four years ago that they'd be shipping gasoline to Venezuela I would have looked at you like you were crazy :dead
can't wait to see how s3 of jack ryan interprets all this
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Ghoul on May 21, 2020, 04:40:55 AM
Haha Boris “migrant healthcare workers gotta pay if they get sick”

Migrant workers “Bitch we saved your life”
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: remy on May 21, 2020, 05:14:19 AM
Quote from: Rufus on May 12, 2020, 12:15:23 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on May 12, 2020, 10:40:37 AM
Before I decide if he is guilty, I need to know where those come from.
Vampirella on the right.

No idea about the other one.
disappointed it was basic bitch vampirella and not some crazy hentai figure
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Momo on May 21, 2020, 07:09:40 PM
Quote from: Nintex on May 19, 2020, 06:11:17 PM
Looks like *checks notes* Ethiopia and Egypt are going to war

https://twitter.com/eha_news/status/1262843507154305030 (https://twitter.com/eha_news/status/1262843507154305030)
I doubt this results in a war, while they have walked away from the negotiation table around the fillrate of the dam, the Egyptians have essentially accepted this is happening and are just trying to get the best possible outcome for themselves via negotiation shenanigans
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Nintex on May 21, 2020, 07:51:51 PM
https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1263516072969474049 (https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1263516072969474049)

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1263474293150814208 (https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1263474293150814208)

And in the chaos of COVID-19 China moves to end Hong Kong's independence.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: team filler on May 21, 2020, 07:53:04 PM
Good! :juche :playa
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Momo on May 22, 2020, 02:23:47 AM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-putin/putin-asks-court-if-he-can-amend-constitution-to-run-again-for-president-idUSKBN2110U2 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-putin/putin-asks-court-if-he-can-amend-constitution-to-run-again-for-president-idUSKBN2110U2)

Have you guys covered this yet? Also why is the news so shit, they pitch this as Putin amending the constitution so he can stay in power (which is factual) when the real changes are that's he's making amendments for a post Putin era that relies on cooperation and making it so Russia's strong man style presidents will no longer be a thing after him.   
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: team filler on May 22, 2020, 07:32:10 AM
putin da gawd  :bow :bow :bow :putin :bow2 :bow2 :bow2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Momo on May 22, 2020, 07:36:48 AM
https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/lockdown-dlamini-zuma-pushes-for-tobacco-alcohol-ban-to-continue-until-level-1-20200522 (https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/lockdown-dlamini-zuma-pushes-for-tobacco-alcohol-ban-to-continue-until-level-1-20200522)

and so, 57 days after national lockdown, the second violent South African revolution starts


EDIT: Well third I guess.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Tripon on May 22, 2020, 09:45:03 AM
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1263814015219884032
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: shosta on May 23, 2020, 12:15:00 AM
https://twitter.com/John_Hudson/status/1263999634575417345

we're all going to fucking die :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: team filler on May 23, 2020, 12:20:45 AM
tulsi warned us  :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 23, 2020, 01:09:30 AM
 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: benjipwns on May 23, 2020, 01:21:41 AM
first everyone says we gotta have more tests, so they're like okay, we'll have more tests, now they're all like no not that kind of test like jeez get your acts together lieberals
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Nintex on May 23, 2020, 05:56:07 AM
Quote from: hhkcvaoitsso on May 23, 2020, 12:15:00 AM
https://twitter.com/John_Hudson/status/1263999634575417345

we're all going to fucking die :dead

(https://img.youtube.com/vi/3iDYQe8nZSI/sddefault.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: team filler on May 23, 2020, 05:04:36 PM
https://twitter.com/robkajiwara/status/1264292985790849024

 :miyamoto
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: shosta on May 23, 2020, 11:19:32 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/FUKTVkd.png)

We're all going to die
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: EchoRin on May 23, 2020, 11:28:54 PM
Quote from: hhkcvaoitsso on May 23, 2020, 11:19:32 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/FUKTVkd.png)

We're all going to die

(https://wwwcache.wralsportsfan.com/asset/voices/2015/01/19/14368850/bored_carl_sagan-250x187.gif)

(https://kwize.com/pics/Carl-Sagan-quote-about-madness-from-Cosmos-1a5824.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Nintex on May 24, 2020, 05:53:15 AM
Quote from: Esch on May 23, 2020, 09:02:59 PM
https://twitter.com/michaelgove/status/1264126108733186050

:heh

https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1264465698849513472 (https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1264465698849513472)

Sounds like they need another leadership contest  :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 24, 2020, 05:59:39 AM
Why not, Boris has done another runner and hasn’t been seen for a while too :trumps

i've got no love for the tories but you have to give them credit for not fucking about when it comes to knifing each other in the back
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: who is ted danson? on May 24, 2020, 12:38:02 PM
Boris has turned up for the first time in weeks to the beerflu daily conference to bat for Cummings  :lol :lol

No-one else would get this treatment. Proof that Dom is in charge of the government  :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 24, 2020, 12:40:36 PM
boris johnsons unearned confidence in the face of his back benchers audibly sharpening their knives

:mynicca
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 24, 2020, 12:47:02 PM
we're ruled by a cuck, boys :tocry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: who is ted danson? on May 24, 2020, 01:00:20 PM
https://twitter.com/UKCivilService/status/1264600481688702977

 :gladbron :dead

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

archive before it gets nuked: http://archive.vn/7INl8
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Nintex on May 24, 2020, 04:57:54 PM
The Daily mail

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYz5nk_WAAIMDPZ?format=jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Bay of Piglets
Post by: Raist on May 24, 2020, 06:00:28 PM
Quote from: who is ted danson? on May 24, 2020, 01:00:20 PM
https://twitter.com/UKCivilService/status/1264600481688702977

 :gladbron :dead

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

archive before it gets nuked: http://archive.vn/7INl8


https://twitter.com/cabinetofficeuk/status/1264613950790008835


:lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on May 24, 2020, 06:03:46 PM
Apparently his uncle died and that's why he had to make the family visit but instead of apologizing and explaining the situation they handled it in the worst way possible.

Cummings will probably resign himself citing some dumb shit about how a media assault on him and his family blah blah blah and then Boris hires him again for another job sometime.
Or he wants to drag Boris down with him as some sort of act of revenge.

It's weird Boris of all people should know the dangers of the virus so Cummings really has him by the balls.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Raist on May 24, 2020, 07:04:24 PM
Quote from: Nintex on May 24, 2020, 06:03:46 PM
Apparently his uncle died and that's why he had to make the family visit

Yes and also his dog ate the print copy of the rules saying people should stay home especially if they have symptoms.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 24, 2020, 07:06:20 PM
Post the hairy biker 4-page pullout, you coward.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on May 24, 2020, 07:32:28 PM
Coldwar Steve nails it again
https://twitter.com/Coldwar_Steve/status/1264615276492062720 (https://twitter.com/Coldwar_Steve/status/1264615276492062720)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Tripon on May 25, 2020, 10:48:25 AM
https://twitter.com/2012_foundation/status/1264873364059049984
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 25, 2020, 10:52:37 AM
that sounds like the wettest fight of all time if true :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: who is ted danson? on May 25, 2020, 11:14:11 AM
Prime Minister Cummings gonna address the nation  :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 25, 2020, 11:22:35 AM
i hope raab does a run in and gives him a noogie :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Raist on May 25, 2020, 12:32:11 PM
(https://abload.de/img/screenshot2020-05-25ahqjk4.png)


 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 25, 2020, 12:33:19 PM
rules for thee not for me :success
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Raist on May 25, 2020, 01:41:34 PM
If you're joining us:

Dom: My wife got sick, we were worried we would end up not being able to take care of our 4yo, so we drove to my parents' place 260 miles away.

BoJo: Fatherly instincts!

Dom: Absolutely. Also, we didn't want to expose anyone in London to a potentially deadly virus. So my 17yo niece said she could take care of the kid if needed. But you know, we strictly self isolated and all that.

Journos: Multiple people saw you around Barnard Castle though. A 30mins drive from your parents' place.

Dom: Oh that. Yes akshually, a couple of days before returning to London my wife was worried about my eyesight, so we went for a test drive and somehow ended up at the castle. That was on her birthday but that's totally irrelevant. And we had the kid with us. Because my fatherly instincts told me that I should test my eyesight this way.

Dom: Also akshually my wife wasn't really sick sick, she threw up. So clearly she didn't have covid because that makes you cough and stuff, so it was OK for us to not stay at home. Don't ask me why we were worried we couldn't take care of the kid then.
Plus did I mention that I've been the target of harassment in London? So we were scared and all that. Also, my uncle died. All right I'm off, fuck you everyone!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Tripon on May 25, 2020, 01:54:06 PM
Is rabb that important to the current Tory government to not sack him immediately?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Raist on May 25, 2020, 05:30:56 PM
Raab? That's Cummings.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: BisMarckie on May 25, 2020, 05:31:55 PM
All pasty Englishmen look the same to me.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on May 25, 2020, 05:56:49 PM
#cumgate is trending on twitter  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Raist on May 25, 2020, 05:57:24 PM
https://twitter.com/jwiechers/status/1264953956758884354

https://twitter.com/jwiechers/status/1265005030622593027
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 25, 2020, 06:34:35 PM
He must have some juicy dirt on Boris, even the daily mail are calling him a bald cunt who should fuck off :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on May 25, 2020, 09:06:53 PM
https://twitter.com/adelso_Car/status/1264756578919596036

https://twitter.com/SY_Amirali/status/1264828342102040576
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on May 26, 2020, 03:51:39 AM
Trump: Obama is in my walls!

Boris: Halp I'm cucked by my advisor

Bolsonaro: I can't even lift

Merkel: I hate my job

Absolute queen:
https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1264863530051940352 (https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1264863530051940352)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Raist on May 26, 2020, 07:30:53 AM
Unfuckingbelievable :lol


https://twitter.com/Imagineyourdad/status/1265197398407733248
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on May 26, 2020, 07:59:16 AM
These bois  :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 26, 2020, 09:37:01 AM
is there anyone who looks as much like a snitch as michael gove?

what a vile creature he is :hhh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Tripon on May 26, 2020, 11:30:39 AM
Quote
More
LONDON — A junior minister in Boris Johnson's government resigned on Tuesday over top aide Dominic Cummings' alleged breach of the U.K.'s lockdown guidelines, saying he could not "in good faith" tell his constituents that the advisers' actions were justifiable.

Douglas Ross, under secretary of state for Scotland, wrote to Johnson saying that the public reaction to reports of Cummings' 260-mile drive from London to Durham in late March demonstrated that the adviser's "interpretation of the government guidance was not shared by the vast majority of people who have done what the government asked."

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/26/uk-minister-resigns-over-dominic-cummings-lockdown-trip-281706
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on May 26, 2020, 03:51:50 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EY97jXnX0AA5rLC?format=jpg)

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 26, 2020, 03:53:39 PM
Can’t wait for all the Corbyn die hards on my TL to change their tunes to “Cummings :rejoice”
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Raist on May 26, 2020, 04:22:32 PM
It just keeps getting better

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1265365343163363334

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 26, 2020, 05:27:37 PM
Once you've promised a vicar, it's set in stone, mate.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on May 26, 2020, 06:16:57 PM
Not honoring a Vicar means that the Mace of the House of Commons has to displayed on the far end of the London bridge before 4PM but after the pigeons have taken flight from Windsor Castle.
If the Speaker of the House does not bring the Mace back wrapped in the Handkerchief of King Richard V before tea time the next day it automatically triggers a leadership contest in the Conservative Party.

Or so article 5B, Paragraph 6 of the rules of Parliament states, which can be superseded by calling for the Endfield amendment of 1845 which triggers a gun fight to the death between the Chief of the Royal Carriages and the Admiral of the Navy after flipping six coins sideways opposite from the river Thames.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on May 26, 2020, 07:04:38 PM
https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1265417195208626177

 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on May 26, 2020, 07:15:06 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EY-U9MHXQAs8xjs?format=jpg)

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Raist on May 27, 2020, 11:19:40 AM
:dead


https://twitter.com/DublinAirport/status/1265641616787767302
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Raist on May 27, 2020, 12:23:44 PM
https://www.brewdog.com/uk/barnard-castle-eye-test

Quote
Short sighted beer for tall stories. Our New England, Old School IPA is locked down and loaded.

Dry-hopped for a juicy hit with pineapple, mango and hint of zesty lime.

All profits will go to funding our production of free sanitiser for the NHS & Health Care Charities.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on May 27, 2020, 05:18:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDnGQemzf2s
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 27, 2020, 06:51:44 PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-27/pompeo-finds-hong-kong-is-no-longer-autonomous-from-china
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: BisMarckie on May 28, 2020, 05:09:09 PM
Playing with their phones?

This twitter user doesn't know what a Backgammon board looks like and doesn't even mention it. :trash
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: BisMarckie on May 28, 2020, 05:13:58 PM
I'd rather hang out with the Spanish girl than with that stuck up blonde though. Not sure what this cartoon is trying to accomplish.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on May 28, 2020, 06:42:14 PM
We're not paying a single cent until summer 2021 (the next election) :hmph
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on May 28, 2020, 07:58:46 PM
It is clearly a lazy Greek and his Italian thot drinking coffee and whine near their tax-free pool,
playing backgammon and searching social-media for the next orgy :hmph

Meanwhile the hard working blue-collar Dutch worker has to turn the gears of manual labor on his bare feet
while his stuck-up wife looks down on him as she tries to booty call her way up the ladder as a businesswoman and is turning bald because of the stress.

The Dutch Dream(TM) 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on May 28, 2020, 08:56:30 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 28, 2020, 09:06:52 PM
Quote from: Esch on May 28, 2020, 05:07:05 PM
Dutch right wing has the best cartoonists cmv :hmph

https://twitter.com/bencoates1/status/1266021690749980672

https://data.oecd.org/chart/5Z1x (https://data.oecd.org/chart/5Z1x)

 :thinking

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: BisMarckie on May 28, 2020, 10:09:57 PM
Punished Nintex:
A man denied of his fanfics
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: kingv on May 29, 2020, 10:26:16 AM
Like lb for lb, the Netherlands doesn’t produce the most internet trolls per capita.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 29, 2020, 11:18:09 AM
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/klaus-hardy-breslauer-teacher-suspended-1.5586364

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B.C. teacher who told exchange students to 'go back to working on rice farms' suspended 3 days

Quote
    Accused students of cheating and told them they deserved to contract sexually transmitted diseases for doing so;
    Refused to give a Grade 10 student permission to use the bathroom because "you cannot run away from life's problems";
    Told students they would end up at "loser Langara," a reference to Vancouver's Langara College, if they did not improve their marks;
    "Frequently" discussed his personal life and sex life with students;
    Said boys are gifted at rubbing rods and he had a lot of experience doing so, during a science experiment involving black rods;
    Acted rudely and dismissively toward students' parents;
    Allowed students to fill out part of their own report cards because he was too lazy to do it himself.

Quote
Breslauer also had more than 700 racist, homophobic, sexist and transphobic memes on his work computer, some of which he created himself and shared with students.

The whole thing is wild. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: shosta on May 29, 2020, 11:19:41 AM
What's his bore account?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: BisMarckie on May 29, 2020, 12:19:44 PM
FACT CHECK: I am from Danzig, not from Breslau. :bolo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 29, 2020, 12:23:39 PM
Alright Glenn

:corona_rodney
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 29, 2020, 02:11:12 PM
Quote from: hhkcvaoitsso on May 29, 2020, 11:19:41 AM
What's his bore account?

james
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: shosta on May 29, 2020, 03:52:25 PM
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Ireland's acting prime minister Leo Varadkar on Friday said he expected a new coalition government to be in place by the end of June once the three parties involved have agreed a policy programme and secured approval from members.

"I believe it is possible to do that before the end of June and have a new government in place" by July 1, Varadkar told journalists when asked about talks between his Fine Gael party, fellow centre-right party Fianna Fail and the Green Party.
liberals always let you down
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on May 29, 2020, 07:33:37 PM
https://twitter.com/duaoel/status/1266422688849027072 (https://twitter.com/duaoel/status/1266422688849027072)

His hair was somehow worse back then
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on May 30, 2020, 11:02:46 AM
Cumgate intensifies
https://twitter.com/DailyMirror/status/1266427586185437194 (https://twitter.com/DailyMirror/status/1266427586185437194)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on May 30, 2020, 11:28:29 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/SkMMJeG.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: OnlyRegret on May 31, 2020, 07:36:48 PM
chicoms shitposting about america yet?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: BisMarckie on May 31, 2020, 07:38:28 PM
I need the protests explained to me by these Taiwanese animated news. :klob
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 01, 2020, 12:42:36 PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-ebola-congo/congo-declares-new-ebola-epidemic-1000-km-from-eastern-outbreak-idUSKBN2382F5?utm_source=reddit.com
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Pissy F Benny on June 01, 2020, 03:34:21 PM
          is this too much winning?
            /
:isthis 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Coffee Dog on June 01, 2020, 03:37:33 PM
If we aren't selling it all to China any more, that means there's more pork for americans and the escalating prices can go down. Right?right?  :goty2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 01, 2020, 03:40:08 PM
No, it just means more pigs will be slaughtered but not consumed.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: EchoRin on June 01, 2020, 03:43:14 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on May 31, 2020, 07:38:28 PM
I need the protests explained to me by these Taiwanese animated news. :klob

I miss that youtube channel. They just kinda stopped over a year ago no? Like I remember the video leading up to the Eagles Patriots Superbowl and then it just kinda went silent not too long after that.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 01, 2020, 04:35:47 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on June 01, 2020, 03:40:08 PM
No, it just means more pigs will be slaughtered but not consumed.

Slow down, the riots haven't gotten to that level yet.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 01, 2020, 06:44:18 PM
https://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2020/06/01/trudeau-rejects-trump-suggestion-to-readmit-russia-to-g7-citing-crimea-invasion/#.XtVIJm57nBK
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Don Rumata on June 02, 2020, 06:44:57 PM
Quote from: Esch on June 02, 2020, 01:39:04 PM
:lol

https://twitter.com/JimmyLaiApple/status/1267725505765109762
I genuinely can't tell if the guy in the YT video is being satirical or not. ???
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 02, 2020, 07:01:05 PM
Quote from: Esch on June 02, 2020, 06:57:58 PM
he describes himself as "the world's proudest nazi" (he is israeli). so :doge

(https://i.imgur.com/jhvLHlv.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Tripon on June 02, 2020, 07:28:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ostTtHkuG4
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on June 02, 2020, 08:55:12 PM
best korea bae  :-[
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 03, 2020, 10:26:44 AM
https://globalnews.ca/news/7017967/doug-ford-george-floyd-racism/

Ford returning to normal.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 03, 2020, 01:21:38 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-52906758
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on June 03, 2020, 10:16:04 PM
https://twitter.com/CerveauxNon/status/1268269513105199104

I always did love greek  :shaq
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: EchoRin on June 04, 2020, 02:26:57 AM
https://youtu.be/ckPd1tFSONs

this belongs here I guess
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 04, 2020, 03:57:17 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52920291
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 05, 2020, 01:20:19 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-52920083
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 05, 2020, 05:01:53 PM
http://www.loopjamaica.com/content/shock-81-y-o-inmate-dies-after-40-years-prison-without-trial
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: VomKriege on June 06, 2020, 06:50:59 PM
France has seen some ripples from the situation in the US : A few days ago thousands demonstrated -despite the authorities denying the permit because of the "public health situation"- in front of the Paris court against police brutality (specifically the death of Adama Traoré in 2016, who was under duress of a knee-hold while being arrested, complained he had difficulty to breathe, was apparently feeling ill as he was brought to the Gendarmerie barracks and died on the premises.). Some more protests happened today and yesterday.

A private Facebook group for cops (or alleged/posing) with thousands of members was outed for some of the racist shit posted in there by some. Likewise French German broadcast station Arte had an investigation about how the colleagues of a black cop were talking about him in a private social media group and it was some nasty general and individual racist shit. Not that it would make it any better really but they didn't even extend the "one of the good ones" deflection to him.

And some of you probably remember that during the Yellow Vest movement, French police went hogwild with "flashballs" and maimed several dozen people (eyes, hands, heads...) in the space of a year.

There's maybe, more or less, a dozen people "only" per year killed as a result of law enforcement as far as I can tell. But while the US is just off the charts with how gung-ho the cops get, it's really more or less the same issues on a smaller scale.

I mentioned it a couple of times but there's been a clear, felt and factual, regression in how French police handle protests since the early aughts towards a more confrontational, repressive method too.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 06, 2020, 06:55:18 PM
Canada too, and we don't have great stats on police killings (or BIPOC community trust).  For us, if there is actually police reform in the US, I feel like we'd get it eventually, so what happens in the US will directly affect us.  It's just happening sooner than I thought it would. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 06, 2020, 07:11:15 PM
Pretty sure cops have always been bad everywhere.  They have become more militarized true, but they just had different ways of abusing power 30 years ago.   To be a technocrat, I think the current anti-cop phenomenon is mostly driven by smartphones - they just can't hide public abuses anymore.   What worries me is that I think the whole criminal justice system is completely fucked and there are a lot of police abuses that are not filmable, and I think we are going to completely ignore that stuff if changes are made.   
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: VomKriege on June 06, 2020, 08:00:20 PM
Castle Super Beast podcast (yes, the Let's Play, Super Best Friends guys) had a talk about this, and Woolie mentioned a Twitter thread about an academic researcher that apparently came to the conclusion through his own study that body cams and "bias training" only had very marginal effects on curbing police misbehaviours. Seemingly simple shit as actually enforcing strict policies on cops for a proportional response apparently will do most of the work. I don't know what I think about the "bias training" thing, I guess it depends what is actually defined under it because there's some evidence that US police training has been tainted in many places by a prevalent, paranoid and hysterical "kill before getting killed" priority and on first instinct I would imagine there's a correlation there. I also would hope that bodycams, while not deterring those wearing them, would help in documenting abuses and bring more evidence more often in court.

https://twitter.com/samswey/status/1180655701271732224

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on June 07, 2020, 05:35:36 PM
https://twitter.com/MirrorBreaking_/status/1269742332099858432 (https://twitter.com/MirrorBreaking_/status/1269742332099858432)

 :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Yeti on June 07, 2020, 08:47:44 PM
Justice June :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Tripon on June 07, 2020, 08:53:23 PM
They are going to kill him before he confesses to his crimes.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Pissy F Benny on June 07, 2020, 09:42:54 PM
If I’m Andrew I’m not taking any trips to Paris any time soon

Bit funny how no one is asking questions of why Charles spent years palling around with Jimmy Savile, however

:maduro
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on June 07, 2020, 10:26:52 PM
Quote from: Nintex on June 07, 2020, 05:35:36 PM
https://twitter.com/MirrorBreaking_/status/1269742332099858432 (https://twitter.com/MirrorBreaking_/status/1269742332099858432)

 :rejoice
https://twitter.com/LuiFer70/status/1269790942858563584

 :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Crash Dummy on June 08, 2020, 04:04:00 AM
https://twitter.com/theenergeiaboy/status/1269790192816336898
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: kingv on June 08, 2020, 12:00:43 PM
My favorite thing about France is how every once in a while the firefighters get together and just whip the cops asses.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Ghoul on June 08, 2020, 04:25:12 PM
It's almost like a remember you're the bitches around here sort of thing.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on June 09, 2020, 06:32:24 PM
https://twitter.com/RosannaCooney/status/1270467462522380288 (https://twitter.com/RosannaCooney/status/1270467462522380288)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Tripon on June 10, 2020, 12:47:44 AM
https://twitter.com/epiplexis_/status/1269066010067427331

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: MMaRsu on June 10, 2020, 12:15:23 PM
wrong thread
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on June 10, 2020, 03:33:28 PM
https://twitter.com/camilateleSUR/status/1270800222978015233
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: shosta on June 10, 2020, 04:29:59 PM
I support him in doing whatever it takes to make sure the truck drivers do not take over
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on June 10, 2020, 04:40:29 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/QgS5xQM.jpg) :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on June 12, 2020, 01:50:12 AM
https://twitter.com/SameeraKhan/status/1271299541220933638


https://twitter.com/SameeraKhan/status/1271305011822243840


 :shaq
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on June 14, 2020, 04:38:55 PM
https://twitter.com/MuradGazdiev/status/1271029318630735872 (https://twitter.com/MuradGazdiev/status/1271029318630735872)

 :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: MMaRsu on June 15, 2020, 11:28:00 AM
Ohh hillary you made the world a terrible place

 :-\

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on June 15, 2020, 06:41:26 PM
https://twitter.com/YonhapNews/status/1272656326552772608 (https://twitter.com/YonhapNews/status/1272656326552772608)
 :juche
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on June 15, 2020, 11:05:11 PM
https://twitter.com/ajlam87/status/1272670307023716352
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on June 16, 2020, 01:03:11 PM
https://twitter.com/rahulkanwal/status/1272923251434389504 (https://twitter.com/rahulkanwal/status/1272923251434389504)

Let's have a war!

The current standing is:
~40 Chinese casualties - ~20 Indian casualities

https://twitter.com/TimesNow/status/1272942506389303296 (https://twitter.com/TimesNow/status/1272942506389303296)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: shosta on June 16, 2020, 01:38:32 PM
The Asia Wars... begun, they have
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on June 16, 2020, 04:08:44 PM
https://twitter.com/indian_sniper10/status/1272893530382401536
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: curly on June 16, 2020, 07:05:35 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/BlueYoungLabour/status/1272908903609753601
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on June 17, 2020, 03:07:42 AM
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1273082769590095873


 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Pissy F Benny on June 17, 2020, 05:12:02 AM
Its a darn shame auld benjamin wasn't a jaffa

:maduro
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Raist on June 17, 2020, 03:01:06 PM
https://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/its-completely-wrong-colour-brits-4236040


Quote
'It's completely the wrong colour' Brits receiving their blue post-Brexit passports aren't happy


 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Flannel Boy on June 17, 2020, 03:27:33 PM
Quote from: filler on June 15, 2020, 11:05:11 PM
https://twitter.com/ajlam87/status/1272670307023716352
Pierre Engvall and Rasmus Sandin  :larry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: curly on June 18, 2020, 05:57:05 PM
https://twitter.com/MPaarlberg/status/1273697240943648768

:larry When he's right he's right
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: VomKriege on June 18, 2020, 06:04:43 PM
Quote from: Esch on June 16, 2020, 02:42:55 PM
:titus the fucc

https://twitter.com/shitmizan/status/1272662571284398082

That was a rowdy handful of days. Police came down hard and arrested a bunch of people, things are back to quiet but yeah.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Pissy F Benny on June 19, 2020, 01:35:46 PM
Blessed 9ja :rejoice :rejoice :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 19, 2020, 01:48:17 PM
Quote from: Esch on June 19, 2020, 01:21:46 PM
Yooooooo

https://twitter.com/David_McNair/status/1273519694327296000

That sounds really, really bad.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: VomKriege on June 20, 2020, 09:49:51 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 19, 2020, 01:48:17 PM
Quote from: Esch on June 19, 2020, 01:21:46 PM
Yooooooo

https://twitter.com/David_McNair/status/1273519694327296000

That sounds really, really bad.

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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 21, 2020, 05:08:41 PM
The real question is what did they spend the other 1% on?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on June 21, 2020, 06:09:12 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on June 21, 2020, 05:08:41 PM
The real question is what did they spend the other 1% on?
Pornhub premium
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Tripon on June 22, 2020, 01:12:18 PM
https://twitter.com/SloughForEU/status/1275110153914851330
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 22, 2020, 11:39:48 PM
https://www.cp24.com/news/richmond-hill-woman-who-killed-cyclist-while-driving-drunk-charged-with-impaired-driving-while-on-parole-1.4995341

WTF
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 23, 2020, 09:12:30 AM
You'd think that killing someone while drunk and then leading police on a high-speed chase would be the kind of thing to sober a person up, but I guess not.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 23, 2020, 10:13:12 AM
https://twitter.com/Ukraine/status/1275391304181125121
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: BisMarckie on June 23, 2020, 10:30:18 AM
NOW it would be appropriate to post Holodomor pics.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 23, 2020, 02:10:53 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on June 23, 2020, 10:30:18 AM
NOW it would be appropriate to post Holodomor pics.

mods help
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on June 25, 2020, 04:28:20 AM
https://twitter.com/ctvwinnipeg/status/1275868076714622978

 :piss :cancry :piss2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 25, 2020, 10:29:20 AM
Isn't the deadline that they discontinued it? 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Pissy F Benny on June 25, 2020, 02:15:45 PM
Her Majesty’s Most Loyal Opposition are cucked by Israel lads

https://twitter.com/geri_e_l_scott/status/1276155178081759238

:titus
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Pissy F Benny on June 25, 2020, 02:24:13 PM
The article suggested that yank cops learned the kneel on the neck technique from Israeli special forces 4 context :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Raist on June 25, 2020, 02:31:30 PM
:picard

https://twitter.com/domdyer70/status/1276052400592347146

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53185386
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Akala on June 25, 2020, 03:14:23 PM
nooo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on June 25, 2020, 06:38:49 PM
Big boom in Iran

https://twitter.com/arwaib/status/1276282603256111108 (https://twitter.com/arwaib/status/1276282603256111108)

https://twitter.com/farnazfassihi/status/1276269323527639041 (https://twitter.com/farnazfassihi/status/1276269323527639041)

https://twitter.com/thabit_78/status/1276273836049252357 (https://twitter.com/thabit_78/status/1276273836049252357)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on June 26, 2020, 05:58:18 AM
https://twitter.com/redfishstream/status/1276107874394144769

not everyone is a fan of dutch directness  :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on June 26, 2020, 01:23:27 PM
That island hasn't made a dime in 50 years.
I don't know why the hell we keep it as part of our 'Kingdom'  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 26, 2020, 02:03:50 PM
Because that's what imperialists do. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 26, 2020, 02:37:56 PM
Kill the Dutch and kill them!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Tripon on June 26, 2020, 06:08:13 PM
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1276636406195073024
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on June 26, 2020, 06:40:17 PM
Quote from: Tripon on June 26, 2020, 06:08:13 PM
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1276636406195073024
So it'll be about nothing or ?

"Well [inaudible] crickey on a [inaudible] grumbl the Chinese virus has started to hit us like a whorehouse in a slapstick.
Truely we must take back control Mr Hancock"

"Yes, Mr. Prime Minister"

"Very good lad!"

*some weeks later*

*cough*

"For some *cough* reason *cough* you doctors *cough* are all called *cough* Julian"

*cough* *cough*

"Oh hi nurse, I feel much better now thanks to you. You know despite the new baby it is not terribly serious with my girlfriend you know"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 27, 2020, 08:53:08 AM
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2020/06/jason-kenney-my-racist-speechwriter-doesnt-speak-for-me-merely-writes-the-words-i-speak/?fbclid=IwAR0krNLIkhtrp0LilCbYLieASrLc2J5hx6T2f1jrVd7x41Z15ivTcMn40fk
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: VomKriege on June 28, 2020, 05:32:39 PM
Long delayed second round of French municipal elections (first round happened in the week the Corona lockdown ramped up) today. Participation is dreadfully low.

Greens poised to win in Lyon, Bordeaux, and Strasbourg which is kind of a big deal. Bordeaux apparently just elected right wing mayors straight in first round for the last 73 years. The Greens (or Green-led leftist coalitions to be precise) did very well tonight.

Lille was close but the Socialist dynasty in ever decaying coal land embodied by Martine Aubry should continue agonizing for a few more years. Socialists also kept Paris.
The party will move again, barely 3 years in the suburbs to "reconnect with the working class", back in Paris in a much smaller office space.

Communists lost southern Arles after 19 years. Saint-Denis, the biggest Paris suburb, lost too... To the Socialists. They might win back another suburb though, Bobigny.

Marseille will probably be taken by an ex-Green / moderate left coalition.

Macron's Prime Minister keeps his seat in Le Havre.

The far-right RN Louis Aliot, which was a long time life partner of party head Marine Le Pen, takes Perpignan which I guess decided it was time they became a stereotypical French southeast city full of jaded racists. The united "republican front" failed. It's the first city with over 100k inhabitants to ever elect a RN mayor.

The far-right also keeps Béziers (76k inhabitants) though incumbent Robert Ménard (Yes the Reporters Without Borders founder turned wank dad) is not a card carrying RN member.

Doesn't seem "Macronism" is taking any local roots still. I'm sure they won some too, or at least conservative LR mayors they endorsed did. Apparently the latest objective was to have 10k city council members tonight... Out of a national total of 560k offices.
It's really kind of weird how top-down with no actual trickling down the whole Macron story is. A favourite past time of pundits since his election is to wonder if Macronism exists outside of Macron and the answer decidedly leans to "No". And with the whole Corona thing reminding him that he is not "Jupiter, master of time" commandeering events at his whim and forcing him into managing disaster rather than pushing some grand third way reform of France, the ideological print will be rather thin on the whole back half of his mandate.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on June 28, 2020, 07:01:44 PM
Very interesting.

Have you heard of Michel Onfray? A Dutch media outlet recently released a deep dive into his 'new' political movement that unites the left and right.
He argues that the nation state must be preserved and much of the power that has transferred to Orwellian Europe should return to the states.
He's backed by both former conservative and socialist ministers, including Chevčnement who was a minister under Mitterand.

They all believe that the Franc and the sovereignty of the nation state was given up too easily and cheap for the Euro and Globalization that doesn't benefit France as much as it does Germany and The Netherlands.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: VomKriege on June 28, 2020, 07:46:12 PM
I don't care much for Onfray or his thought but yes he has been a famous philosopher (insofar an academic or intellectual can be) for the last 20 ? 30 ? years and he has some media clout.

Chevčnement is a known quantity in French politics, he had a small party that gravitated around the Socialist galaxy and has long been a figure of the nationalist left though he basically retired from old age some years ago. He's famous for coining the "A minister keeps its hole shut. If it has something to say, he resigns from his office" (he resigned three times from ministries). Him throwing his support behind Onfray is a big marker.

Like all philosophers, it's pretty hard to pin his thought down into small, neat boxes. Some think he drifted right. Can't really comment on that.

Philosophers, intellectuals and academics are a staple of French politics but it's pretty rare they move the needle when trying to play the actual game of politics.

Bonus factoid : The logo for radical left France Insoumise (shortened as FI) is the Greek φ (Phi, which sounds like Fi...) toi call upon the virtues of philosophy.
 :ussrcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Tripon on June 29, 2020, 11:29:04 AM
https://twitter.com/grapejapan/status/1277620445676621824
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on June 29, 2020, 06:04:27 PM
Boris is doing fine despite the bungled COVID response and Labour is imploding and losing members over yet another antisemitism scandal while Farrage is riling up the progressives by making fun of Starmer's support for police funding.

Social democrats are like :rage
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Pissy F Benny on June 29, 2020, 06:05:20 PM
Still waiting on my free ŁŁŁ Boris you fat cunt  :hmph
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on June 30, 2020, 04:56:55 AM
https://twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/1277547792823660545 (https://twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/1277547792823660545)
 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Pissy F Benny on June 30, 2020, 07:32:03 AM
Keir Starmer looks like a dodgy solicitor who is gonna fiddle you out of your inheritance and he can suck my dick :tocry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Tripon on June 30, 2020, 12:05:58 PM
If you're wondering how a pandemic and Brexit can work together.

https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277505330885386240

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277529054829318150
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277587724078321664
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277603497869967361
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277615777198354435
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277630017548234752
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277643136664289280
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277701085176778758
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277852786265411584
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277902866901057536
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277912902977101825
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277925963305811968
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277931044377952257
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277961297116577792
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277975292242325504
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 30, 2020, 12:12:37 PM
 :lol :lol :lol :lol

Quote
Idiot son has been drinking.

Just called me via WhatsApp.  I am his best friend

SIGH

:dead

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Flannel Boy on June 30, 2020, 12:47:02 PM
https://twitter.com/LiYuan6/status/1277803985747865603
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Rufus on June 30, 2020, 04:23:12 PM
This is where Trump could score some points, but I think he'd rather compliment China on how brutally they will be dealing with HK. He loves displays of power.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: VomKriege on June 30, 2020, 05:22:47 PM
Quote from: Tripon on June 30, 2020, 12:05:58 PM
If you're wondering how a pandemic and Brexit can work together.

https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277505330885386240

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277529054829318150
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277587724078321664
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277603497869967361
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277615777198354435
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277630017548234752
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277643136664289280
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277701085176778758
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277852786265411584
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277902866901057536
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277912902977101825
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277925963305811968
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277931044377952257
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277961297116577792
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277975292242325504
[close]

Jesus fucking Christ. :neogaf
There's so many Brits down south, you'd think they would have some faint idea about it if only because the EU is the main reason they could settle there so effortlessly.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Pissy F Benny on June 30, 2020, 06:21:33 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on June 30, 2020, 05:22:47 PM
Quote from: Tripon on June 30, 2020, 12:05:58 PM
If you're wondering how a pandemic and Brexit can work together.

https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277505330885386240

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277529054829318150
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277587724078321664
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277603497869967361
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277615777198354435
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277630017548234752
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277643136664289280
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277701085176778758
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277852786265411584
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277902866901057536
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277912902977101825
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277925963305811968
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277931044377952257
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277961297116577792
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277975292242325504
[close]

Jesus fucking Christ. :neogaf
There's so many Brits down south, you'd think they would have some faint idea about it if only because the EU is the main reason they could settle there so effortlessly.

They Know the French will cave like the cowards they are and let the stay in them end :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on July 01, 2020, 01:31:59 PM
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1278378098204053504 (https://twitter.com/AP/status/1278378098204053504)

Quote
The Kremlin has used other tactics to boost turnout and support for the amendments. Prizes ranging from gift certificates to cars and apartments were offered as an encouragement, voters with Russian passports from eastern Ukraine were bused across the border to vote, and two regions with large number of voters — Moscow and Nizhny Novgorod — allowed electronic balloting.

 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Rufus on July 01, 2020, 03:19:32 PM
I didn't actually expect anything to happen in regards to this. Positively surprised.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 01, 2020, 03:23:59 PM
At least they used GSG9 for Rainbow Six.  Wouldn't want Nazis in my Siege. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 01, 2020, 03:26:57 PM
https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1278238723361120259
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Raist on July 01, 2020, 03:30:50 PM
I'm 50/50 on whether that stuff is real, but at least it's entertaining.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 01, 2020, 03:34:09 PM
I can't believe it's real but I love it. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Raist on July 01, 2020, 03:36:34 PM
Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked if it is. I've been living in the UK for long enough to know that Brits are insane :lol
There was clearly a large number of retired Brits living in France / Spain who voted for Brexit, that's for sure. For god knows what fucking reason.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: BisMarckie on July 01, 2020, 03:42:06 PM
Quote from: Rufus on July 01, 2020, 03:19:32 PM
I didn't actually expect anything to happen in regards to this. Positively surprised.


A close friend of mine is a fairly high ranking Marine officer, his point is that you‘ll only attract nutcases to a secretive special unit either way, but the general problem with right wing extremists is, according to him, at least partially the fault of political meddling by people who never served which results in poorly funded and trained people. Regular people are chased away by poor career opportunities and bad pay so you only end up with the underbelly of society joining the troops.


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Rufus on July 01, 2020, 03:56:39 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on July 01, 2020, 03:42:06 PM
Quote from: Rufus on July 01, 2020, 03:19:32 PM
I didn't actually expect anything to happen in regards to this. Positively surprised.


A close friend of mine is a fairly high ranking Marine officer, his point is that you‘ll only attract nutcases to a secretive special unit either way, but the general problem with right wing extremists is, according to him, at least partially the fault of political meddling by people who never served which results in poorly funded and trained people. Regular people are chased away by poor career opportunities and bad pay so you only end up with the underbelly of society joining the troops.
That's stage one. Stage two is a culture of soft-pedaling and underreporting the bad elements.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: VomKriege on July 01, 2020, 05:40:38 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on July 01, 2020, 03:42:06 PM
Quote from: Rufus on July 01, 2020, 03:19:32 PM
I didn't actually expect anything to happen in regards to this. Positively surprised.


A close friend of mine is a fairly high ranking Marine officer, his point is that you‘ll only attract nutcases to a secretive special unit either way, but the general problem with right wing extremists is, according to him, at least partially the fault of political meddling by people who never served which results in poorly funded and trained people. Regular people are chased away by poor career opportunities and bad pay so you only end up with the underbelly of society joining the troops.

It's not exactly surprising armed forces lean conservative and nationalistic... But maybe that's the situation for officer corps and it's different for riflemen ? I would expect, for an elite unit, you either get people from army families or, as you say, a lot of people attracted for all the wrong reasons.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on July 01, 2020, 05:47:37 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on July 01, 2020, 03:42:06 PM
Quote from: Rufus on July 01, 2020, 03:19:32 PM
I didn't actually expect anything to happen in regards to this. Positively surprised.


A close friend of mine is a fairly high ranking Marine officer, his point is that you‘ll only attract nutcases to a secretive special unit either way, but the general problem with right wing extremists is, according to him, at least partially the fault of political meddling by people who never served which results in poorly funded and trained people. Regular people are chased away by poor career opportunities and bad pay so you only end up with the underbelly of society joining the troops.
Yeah, how else are you going to staff an army of volunteers. You get people looking for the action and excitement and willing to get shot over an oil field in Syria or a deserted factory in Ukraine.
You won't get a lot of long term planners and thinkers. Besides when shit hits the fan you want well trained people willing to pull the trigger.   

In international politics shit hits fan news. Macron has called Turkey's actions in Libya 'criminal', will alter France's role in Libya(within the NATO engagement) and sides with Russia and Haftar.  :lol

Meanwhile Erdogan wants to ban Netflix
https://twitter.com/bbcturkce/status/1278265979085164544 (https://twitter.com/bbcturkce/status/1278265979085164544)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: BisMarckie on July 01, 2020, 06:00:08 PM
He told me that people are not happy about politics intervening and dissolving units. It's a mindset of the armed forces seeing themselves as a state within a state I guess. It is not even about tolerating neo-nazis within their ranks, but being unhappy that an outsider like the ministry of defence got involved. I think having a minister who has been active military would help healing this divide. But we haven't had that for more than 30 years, instead that job has been become kind of meme as a job Merkel gives people to get rid of them.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on July 01, 2020, 06:13:28 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on July 01, 2020, 06:00:08 PM
He told me that people are not happy about politics intervening and dissolving units. It's a mindset of the armed forces seeing themselves as a state within a state I guess. It is not even about tolerating neo-nazis within their ranks, but being unhappy that an outsider like the ministry of defence got involved. I think having a minister who has been active military would help healing this divide. But we haven't had that for more than 30 years, instead that job has been become kind of meme as a job Merkel gives people to get rid of them.
It is sort of a token job for a politician looking to move up (not down) in the world in the Netherlands.
They see it as a thing that needs to be 'managed' preferably by a woman and there's always something left to cut in the budget.
Up until the point that our armed forces no longer had ammo and went to fight in Syria only to find out their radar systems were so outdated they couldn't even do missions.
Or that time they bought outdated mortars scrapped by the Americans that literally blew up in their face and cost the lives of a bunch of servicemen during training.

Our brief stint in Africa takes the cake though. A few years back they lost a helicopter there and sorta had to beg local warlords to give it back after a failed raid to retrieve it in which they lost another helicopter.  :doge
I would say our Marines, submarines and Commando's are the best equipped and trained. Our tanks we rent from Germany for practice from time to time.

Outside of some specialist stuff in any real 'war' the Dutch army would be a platoon in the Germany army which in turn would be a division of the French or Polish army at this point.

Cameron actually had some decent ideas to integrate Dutch, German, French and English defense. But the Germans balked at the last minute (as did the Dutch).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 02, 2020, 10:42:48 AM
Where did idiot son go????
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: shosta on July 02, 2020, 12:45:24 PM
Fillon :heh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Tripon on July 02, 2020, 01:37:08 PM
https://twitter.com/Anettelarner/status/1278651378227970048  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Raist on July 02, 2020, 06:13:24 PM
What in the actual fuck :lol

https://twitter.com/Louis_Allday/status/1278636923330928642
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: who is ted danson? on July 03, 2020, 04:39:34 AM
He sure does have a problem with the blacks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Starkey#Controversies
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 03, 2020, 09:36:27 AM
LOL
https://twitter.com/axios/status/1278695170096140290
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: shosta on July 03, 2020, 11:36:15 AM
Looks like a map of colonized people vs colonizing peoples
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on July 03, 2020, 11:50:18 AM
Looks like a map of NOD vs GDI
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: jorma on July 03, 2020, 12:02:56 PM
looks like a map of a money trail
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 03, 2020, 12:30:25 PM
A map of countries that like China versus those who don't.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on July 03, 2020, 01:24:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWgqdfAomVI

cia brought there man in  :mueller
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Raist on July 03, 2020, 01:41:56 PM
Quote from: shosta on July 03, 2020, 11:36:15 AM
Looks like a map of colonized people vs colonizing peoples

You might need a refresher in History breh :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: shosta on July 03, 2020, 01:43:57 PM
Exactly the kind of dipshit response I'd expect from a Frenchman 😏
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Raist on July 03, 2020, 01:47:23 PM
We were colonized by Germans first :yeshrug

And no, I'm not talking about the double-sneak through NL/Belgium that we still didn't see coming the second time :stahp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: shosta on July 03, 2020, 01:54:58 PM
I'll be sure to tell that to Algeria and Indochina!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Mandark on July 03, 2020, 02:46:51 PM
I like that China is included in the countries supporting China.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 03, 2020, 02:56:44 PM
Quote from: shosta on July 03, 2020, 01:54:58 PM
I'll be sure to tell that to Algeria and Indochina!

I'm sure they have many times. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Raist on July 03, 2020, 03:06:02 PM
Quote from: shosta on July 03, 2020, 01:54:58 PM
I'll be sure to tell that to Algeria and Indochina!

Mostly not highlighted on that map :umad
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on July 03, 2020, 04:22:08 PM
Guess who's back motherfuckers

https://twitter.com/berlusconi/status/1279118878715654147 (https://twitter.com/berlusconi/status/1279118878715654147)

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Berlusconi: “True armed struggle against me. The election is the main road "

 :killme :titus :pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 03, 2020, 04:29:33 PM
Quote from: Raist on July 02, 2020, 06:13:24 PM
What in the actual fuck :lol

https://twitter.com/Louis_Allday/status/1278636923330928642

That was swift

Quote
In July 2020, while being interviewed by Darren Grimes on a podcast, Starkey said "Slavery was not genocide, otherwise there wouldn't be so many damn blacks in Africa or in Britain would there?"[58][59] The comments were rebuffed by former Chancellor [[Sajid Javid ]] who called them "racist" and said that they serve as "a reminder of the appalling views that still exist". The Mary Rose Trust accepted his resignation from the board of trustees[60][61] and the Historical Association announced on Twitter that it would withdraw the Medlicott Medal it had awarded him 20 years previously.[62] Cambridge University and Fitzwilliam College both distanced themselves from his comments and later accepted his resignation as an honorary fellow on 3 July 2020.[63][3] whilst Canterbury Christ Church University, where Starkey had been a visiting professor, removed him from that role in response to his "completely unacceptable" remarks.[64] History Today also removed him from their editorial board.[65] Lancaster University has confirmed that it has launched a formal review of Starkey's honorary graduate status.[66] HarperCollins announced it would terminate an ongoing book deal with Starkey; it is understood that they will no longer publish the two remaining books, including the second part to Starkey's autobiography. His previous publisher Hodder & Stoughton has also said that they "will not be publishing any further books by him".[67] Vintage Books announced it would be reviewing the status of books by Starkey in their back catalogue.[68] Also on 3 July 2020, at a meeting of the Royal Historical Society, the Society's Council resolved that Dr Starkey should be asked to resign his fellowship with immediate effect.[69]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on July 06, 2020, 07:20:03 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcRYGT-XsAAx1Wx?format=png)

Now this is polarization :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: curly on July 06, 2020, 10:38:36 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/jrhennessy/status/1280316130821722115
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Tripon on July 07, 2020, 11:23:45 AM
https://twitter.com/BillWeirCNN/status/1280520988086734851
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: BisMarckie on July 07, 2020, 12:29:20 PM
Test the liberal truckers and try them for attempted murder  :maf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on July 08, 2020, 05:05:25 AM
https://twitter.com/wesinjapan/status/1280788684921425921

 :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Boredfrom on July 09, 2020, 03:29:42 AM
TrumpXAMLO has been the most bizarre and gross crossover. People from “the left” that usually hated the US government are now saying shit like “Fake News” or “Trump is not racist”.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Tripon on July 09, 2020, 12:03:44 PM
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1281257040036401152
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 10, 2020, 04:42:21 PM
https://www.nationalobserver.com/2020/07/10/news/trudeau-ministers-welcome-decriminalization-endorsement-opioid-crisis-deepens
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Rufus on July 11, 2020, 05:27:08 PM
So, there was a riot in Stuttgart recently.
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-riots-and-looting-grip-stuttgart/a-53886746

Stuttgart's police president announced today that they will be researching (and likely publicizing) the genealogies of those apprehended, including those with German passports, because 'all of Germany is watching' and 'the people' desperately want to know just who the perpetrators were, so that they can, uh... Hm. I don't know. Shake their fists at the sky, but with a clear picture in mind?
https://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/inhalt.ermittlungen-zur-krawallnacht-in-stuttgart-polizei-betreibt-stammbaumforschung-der-tatverdaechtigen.fd052aed-4f64-4e8b-892c-c0f0e56dbdee.html (German source)

This is making me feel things, and I don't like any of those feelings.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: shosta on July 11, 2020, 06:12:55 PM
I saw a few vids of the riots and I saw one officer kneeling on someone's neck George Floyd style only to be tackled by a protester (which was extremely epic). You guys and the rest of Europe were all singing solidarity with Black Lives Matter but as soon as Muslims do the exact same thing over the exact same offenses it's time to deport the Turks and Arabs. Makes me sick but I saw this coming months ago.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on July 13, 2020, 06:01:13 PM
https://twitter.com/TheNationNews/status/1282785958115467264
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on July 13, 2020, 07:17:15 PM
Duda barely got re-elected.

Time to invade Poland?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Tripon on July 13, 2020, 10:41:08 PM
https://twitter.com/domphillips/status/1282859961006141441
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: shosta on July 13, 2020, 11:31:15 PM
I'm a couple of weeks late to this but the EU-British trade negotiations resumed at the beginning of the month and almost immediately broke off again :lol predictably no progress at all has been made

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/02/brexit-talks-break-up-early-over-serious-disagreements-michel-barnier
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: BisMarckie on July 14, 2020, 01:25:47 PM
 :dsp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: BIONIC on July 14, 2020, 01:28:45 PM
Absolute legend  :playa
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on July 15, 2020, 12:32:17 AM
https://twitter.com/ELBINAWI/status/1283252308638404608

 :maduro
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on July 15, 2020, 07:04:54 PM
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1283496565202661376 (https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1283496565202661376)

This is just in, insulting the virus with gay slurs does not work  :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on July 15, 2020, 07:08:31 PM
can they just tell us when he doesn't have it  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: chronovore on July 16, 2020, 04:41:19 AM
Quote from: Tripon on July 13, 2020, 10:41:08 PM
https://twitter.com/domphillips/status/1282859961006141441

I wonder if he will gain the proportional strength of an emu?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Tripon on July 16, 2020, 09:02:30 AM
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1283747982727417857
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on July 17, 2020, 06:46:49 PM
https://twitter.com/nathanlawkc/status/1283800641895378944

 :titus
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on July 17, 2020, 06:53:03 PM
Quote from: Tripon on July 16, 2020, 09:02:30 AM
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1283747982727417857
Well if you start selling human hair I guess thinks go quicker  :holeup
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on July 17, 2020, 10:10:05 PM
https://twitter.com/ConflictsW/status/1284234158051655681

 :oreilly
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on July 18, 2020, 11:50:33 AM
Quote
Michel also proposed a compromise on governance of the recovery fund in an effort to bring the Netherlands on board with an agreement. That would be known as a “super emergency brake,” according to the document seen by POLITICO.

If a country objects to the disbursement of recovery funding, it can “request within 3 days … to bring the matter without delay, to the European Council or the Ecofin to satisfactorily address the matter.”

The Netherlands has demanded unanimity when deciding on disbursements, a position that is opposed by countries including Italy and Spain and that the Commission and Council say is not legally feasible.

Proud of our PM that our position is basically budget control over the entire EU or no pay day for anyone.

Once we get that super emergency brake
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/11tRBTlIlmb10k/200.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on July 19, 2020, 10:24:28 AM
https://twitter.com/EuroSandor/status/1284788167208513537 (https://twitter.com/EuroSandor/status/1284788167208513537)

https://twitter.com/EuroSandor/status/1284790739294138369 (https://twitter.com/EuroSandor/status/1284790739294138369)

Orban crying like a little bitch cuz chad rutte about to bankrupt this criminal :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Tripon on July 19, 2020, 03:30:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW9-pPy0r_s

Uh, letting 2 old people who are in danger of coronavirus meet less than 6 feet/2 meters away from each other?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on July 19, 2020, 04:01:26 PM
Quote
CONTE TO RUTTE: YOU WON'T BE A HERO FOR LONG

During a long meeting with frugal countries, Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte warned his Dutch counterpart Mark Rutte of the risks of blocking a deal, an Italian official briefed on the talks said.

“You might be a hero in your homeland for a few days, but after a few weeks you will be held responsible before all European citizens for blocking an adequate and effective European response,” Conte told Rutte, according to the Italian official.

Italy’s prime minister also stressed that the eventual cost of the recovery plan might be two or three times bigger if the EU fails to act immediately.

The amount now under discussion is the “bare minimum,” Conte said, adding that Dutch opposition risks destroying the EU single market.

I'm still shocked how our prime minister is clowning the entire EU like this :crazy

https://twitter.com/CrisGnesutta/status/1284947220417204226 (https://twitter.com/CrisGnesutta/status/1284947220417204226)

Give us free money  :existential

No  :beetlejuice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Tripon on July 19, 2020, 06:06:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkbx2anzwzk
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on July 19, 2020, 06:14:05 PM
https://twitter.com/DaveClark_AFP/status/1284968061641129986 (https://twitter.com/DaveClark_AFP/status/1284968061641129986)

It's over we won.

I don't think the people negotiating with Rutte quite understand how stingy the man is(not greedy) and how he absolutely wrecked every populist challenger during the 10 years he has been our prime minister, including the infamous Geert Wilders.
Privately he drives a 1999 SAAB, mostly takes a bicycle or walks to work without any sort of security detail. He also still uses an old Nokia and teaches social studies on a high school once a week.
Other than that no one really knows anything about his private life except that he lives in a modest apartment and never spends a dime unless he absolutely has to.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: shosta on July 19, 2020, 06:15:13 PM
Quote from: Nintex on July 19, 2020, 04:01:26 PM
Give us free money  :existential

No  :beetlejuice
I'm going to laugh when the Netherlands is destroyed by French forces and you're put up against the wall and executed like the dirty cur you are :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on July 19, 2020, 06:22:56 PM
Italy: "plz gib money for debt crisis we don't want to end like Greece we don't like Berlusconi anymore we promise"

Dutch: "Ok, now reform'

Italy: "Ok"

5 star movement / Salvini: "No reforms! We'll leave Europe! Abolish the Euro!"

Italy: "FUCK THE EU! We'll just run big deficits and retire at 25!!! FORZA SALVINI, FORZA CONTE!"

Dutch: "Ok, suit yourselves"

*COVID happens*

Italy: "Plz gib money for corona crisis"

Dutch: "You would've had this money if you had reformed. But ok, if you reform you can loan this money"

Italy: "You must gib money now our interest too high!!!"

Dutch: "Ok, so reform"

Italy: "NO JUST GIB MONEY!"

Dutch: "Lol, no"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: VomKriege on July 19, 2020, 06:23:57 PM
Quote from: shosta on July 19, 2020, 06:15:13 PM
Quote from: Nintex on July 19, 2020, 04:01:26 PM
Give us free money  :existential

No  :beetlejuice
I'm going to laugh when the Netherlands is destroyed by French forces and you're put up against the wall and executed like the dirty cur you are :lol

Macron should avoid sending one of his brothers to finish the job.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on July 19, 2020, 06:26:22 PM
Orban: "HAHA fuck the EU my dictatorship goes BRRRRR"

*COVID happens*

Orban: "EU is great, I love the EU, now give me some money"

Dutch: "You don't have as many cases, besides you don't respect the rule of law"

Orban: "This Dutchman is entirely responsible for the mess that is the EU"

The Italians are always anti-Europe when they need to get their shit together and pro-Europe when there's money on the table.
Same for that fat fuck Orban. They get what we intend to give them and not a cent more and because they think 350 billion in grants and 350 billion in loans is not enough they get nothing.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 19, 2020, 08:09:06 PM
Quote from: Tripon on July 19, 2020, 03:30:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW9-pPy0r_s

Uh, letting 2 old people who are in danger of coronavirus meet less than 6 feet/2 meters away from each other?

Lizards can’t catch the rona

:maduro
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on July 19, 2020, 08:22:28 PM
https://twitter.com/apagliar/status/1285002721750392832

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on July 20, 2020, 08:09:26 AM
https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1285134841462300672 (https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1285134841462300672)

 :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: BisMarckie on July 20, 2020, 10:55:52 AM
The whole Eurozone getting more hooked on German credits :money
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: shosta on July 20, 2020, 11:52:48 AM
Thinking that's good for the Germans :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on July 20, 2020, 11:54:35 AM
https://twitter.com/PrimeministerGR/status/1285239045925359617 (https://twitter.com/PrimeministerGR/status/1285239045925359617)

tfw you try to convince a Dutchmen to spend money

Quote
Mark Rutte chose to stay in a hotel cheaper than the usual spot for most  EU leaders at summits (Sofitel).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: BisMarckie on July 20, 2020, 11:56:17 AM
Quote from: shosta on July 20, 2020, 11:52:48 AM
Thinking that's good for the Germans :lol

You laugh now, wait until we exact revenge for the Dawes Plan by propping up your post-COVID wasteland. :bolo


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 20, 2020, 11:59:57 AM
the dutch are gonna end the eu tyranny for good :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: BisMarckie on July 20, 2020, 12:00:19 PM
It‘s a shame that Nintex‘ Dutch-posting made it kinda mandatory to write fanfictions to indicate a shitpost.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on July 20, 2020, 12:08:24 PM
https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/1285241233208729603 (https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/1285241233208729603)

Meanwhile Al Sissi sends troops to prop up Haftar with the consent of Donald. J Trump and Emmanuel Macron who got a few key EU allies like Italy to sign on as well.

Erdogan is going to be pissed  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on July 20, 2020, 03:23:28 PM
Quote
DUTCH DREAM COMES TRUE

Charles Michel's new proposal includes several key concessions to Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte.

The Netherlands is home to Europe's largest seaport, the port of Rotterdam — and Dutch officials have been fighting to keep a bigger portion of customs revenues that come through the port, meaning that a reduced amount would flow to the EU's coffers.

In the latest plan, Michel is proposing that member countries get to keep 25 percent of customs collected — an increase from 20 percent in his proposal on Saturday and 15 percent in a proposal put forward ahead of the summit. In February, Michel suggested this number be only 12.5 percent.

Ok it's almost time to sign this shit that Germany is mostly paying for :success
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Tripon on July 20, 2020, 07:53:19 PM
https://twitter.com/LulaOficial/status/1285355922559250438
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: VomKriege on July 21, 2020, 02:58:50 AM
The fuck. :fbm
I wasn't familiar with the long form of his show but I've seen my fiat share of clips from the Majority Report as a guest or a weekend host.
Always came across as passionate, positive, eloquent and relatable.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: VomKriege on July 21, 2020, 03:11:42 AM
Fiat share  :paul
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 21, 2020, 08:14:49 AM
https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1285517127978487808
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 21, 2020, 08:23:40 AM
https://globalnews.ca/news/7199147/horgan-decriminalize-illegal-drugs/

Quote
B.C. Premier John Horgan formally asking federal government to decriminalize illegal drugs

It's going to take a long time, but I feel like this is the road we are heading down.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: VomKriege on July 21, 2020, 10:00:19 AM
Quote from: Dickie Dee on July 21, 2020, 08:14:49 AM
https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1285517127978487808

There needs to be a moratorium on "weaponizing" as a word. "Russia is playing with the hand they're dealt and leveraging its current situation and position" maybe is too long for a tweet and not as catchy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on July 21, 2020, 08:35:10 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1285658457102848001
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on July 22, 2020, 07:04:36 PM
https://twitter.com/Garou_Hidalgo/status/1285327049276764160
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: OnlyRegret on July 24, 2020, 06:42:27 PM
this a motherfuckin' vibe

https://twitter.com/gersonjr/status/1286451690892341252
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 24, 2020, 07:08:48 PM
That boy ain't right.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: OnlyRegret on July 24, 2020, 07:13:22 PM
just be my friend emu-like birds, all I'm asking  :'(
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Kara on July 24, 2020, 07:53:36 PM
Someone should dig up Assy McGee's tortured justifications for voting for that idiot. Peas in a pod. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

spoiler (click to show/hide)
It wouldn't surprise me if he turned tail and left as soon as it started disintegrating there.
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on July 24, 2020, 08:41:53 PM
https://twitter.com/AliAbunimah/status/1286623460001751041

https://twitter.com/auighur/status/1272360467479085056

https://twitter.com/DefendChina/status/1286634113747824644

gotta change my plane ticket  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on July 27, 2020, 01:11:33 PM
https://twitter.com/allushiii_new/status/1287787318850592768
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Tripon on July 28, 2020, 01:01:41 PM
https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1288157368149323778
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: OnlyRegret on July 28, 2020, 01:15:59 PM
does a war on the fats still count as imperialist adventuring?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 28, 2020, 01:17:40 PM
WORLD WAR FAT
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on July 28, 2020, 01:33:08 PM
the fats are at it again

army of largeness>antifa
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Kara on July 31, 2020, 04:00:12 AM
Never abolish your de jure aristocracy, brehs.

https://twitter.com/zachjourno/status/1288517898810556417

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on August 01, 2020, 03:52:14 PM
https://twitter.com/SameeraKhan/status/1289649003873701889


 :piss :gbcry :piss2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on August 01, 2020, 04:42:48 PM
https://twitter.com/patricksavalle/status/1289567883060641795


 :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on August 01, 2020, 09:55:14 PM
https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1289724554982629377

 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Tripon on August 02, 2020, 09:56:25 AM
https://twitter.com/TheMendozaWoman/status/1289874442663931904
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on August 02, 2020, 05:52:08 PM
https://twitter.com/LinaArabii/status/652128718442336256

omg we gotta save the uyghurs from the evil chicomms  :maduro
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on August 02, 2020, 06:46:33 PM
https://twitter.com/uytimes/status/1289291896469168128


 :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: shosta on August 03, 2020, 12:08:14 PM
brace belden in a shambles
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Kara on August 03, 2020, 12:10:36 PM
Salvini having his parliamentary immunity stripped so he can be tried for kidnapping? More likely than you might think.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Tripon on August 03, 2020, 02:09:04 PM
.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Kara on August 04, 2020, 12:51:50 AM
The former king of Spain has fled the Kingdom of Spain.

Nothing cool like attempted regicide, he just seems to be some sort of financial crimes guy.

Monarchies. :girlaff
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on August 04, 2020, 01:42:10 AM
https://twitter.com/jncatron/status/1290510348613832707


 :maduro
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: shosta on August 04, 2020, 11:53:41 AM
https://twitter.com/ShehabAgency/status/1290672665355849728

Beirut :titus

Edit: just fireworks

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1290676318871445505
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Rufus on August 04, 2020, 12:32:32 PM
Fucking crazy

https://twitter.com/VincentCrypt46/status/1290682803181551616
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 04, 2020, 12:35:13 PM
:titus
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nuitangg on August 04, 2020, 12:50:47 PM
There's some pretty disturbing shit popping up on Twitter.  :'(
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 04, 2020, 12:53:25 PM
Quote from: Nuitangg on August 04, 2020, 12:50:47 PM
There's some pretty disturbing shit popping up on Twitter.  :'(

More than normal?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Propagandhim on August 04, 2020, 01:02:11 PM
Quote from: shosta on August 04, 2020, 11:53:41 AM
https://twitter.com/ShehabAgency/status/1290672665355849728

Beirut :titus

Edit: just fireworks

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1290676318871445505


edit:  meh i can't even get the right conflict right.

ok, i'll stop Karaposting.   :goty2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: shosta on August 04, 2020, 01:17:20 PM
https://twitter.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/1290656459496263687

:maduro
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 04, 2020, 01:43:26 PM
What if we tried to organize a kind of coup in Venezuela? 😳😳
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Tripon on August 04, 2020, 01:52:09 PM
Wasn't that the mercenary thing in April 2020?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: shosta on August 04, 2020, 01:55:07 PM
He's talking about when we were collecting defectors and putting them up in a Colombian hotel. The coup never happened and Iván Duque told them to get a job :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on August 04, 2020, 02:07:05 PM
https://twitter.com/ChadBlue_/status/1290677485550673920 (https://twitter.com/ChadBlue_/status/1290677485550673920)

Another angle of that Beirut thing. Holy shit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on August 04, 2020, 02:20:33 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EemH2-IXoAIwGXb?format=jpg)

https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/1290711076733169666 (https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/1290711076733169666)

https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/1290713640614666240 (https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/1290713640614666240)

Holy fuck
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: shosta on August 04, 2020, 02:21:34 PM
Since Lebanon is a failed state now I doubt we'll ever know what happened
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on August 04, 2020, 02:29:47 PM
https://twitter.com/Rowaida_Abdel/status/1290692039877828608 (https://twitter.com/Rowaida_Abdel/status/1290692039877828608)

 :tocry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 04, 2020, 02:37:09 PM
Quote from: shosta on August 04, 2020, 02:21:34 PM
Since Lebanon is a failed state now I doubt we'll ever know what happened

The boring answer, and also the most likely, is a random fire at the port got to some tanks of flammable materials and caused them to explode. This very thing happened just a few years ago at a port in China.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Boredfrom on August 04, 2020, 02:39:09 PM
I heard that port was essential for the city supplies, so is not exactly surprising that people are breaking in despair.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on August 04, 2020, 02:40:01 PM
https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1290694199319252996
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: shosta on August 04, 2020, 02:41:48 PM
conspiracy shit goes in the conspiracy thread
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on August 04, 2020, 02:48:34 PM
https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1290684460556365826

https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1290685969453088770
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: shosta on August 04, 2020, 02:52:39 PM
filler!!! you fuck!!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 04, 2020, 02:52:55 PM
No way, people on Twitter using a tragedy to push their agendas with no evidence at all? I'm shocked!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on August 04, 2020, 02:58:16 PM
https://twitter.com/Leila_MA/status/1290667278246326278

https://twitter.com/Leila_MA/status/1290722116929835008


 :stahp


https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1290722644916965377
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 04, 2020, 02:59:58 PM
Absolutely horrible. :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Tripon on August 04, 2020, 03:08:44 PM
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1290703853441224714
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on August 04, 2020, 04:37:57 PM
https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1290733534685134848


https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1045381532851064834

 :kermit


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Transhuman on August 04, 2020, 06:14:01 PM
Quote from: filler on August 04, 2020, 04:37:57 PM
https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1290733534685134848

How about allowing Palestinians access to drinking water while you're at it
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: shosta on August 04, 2020, 06:41:01 PM
https://twitter.com/BillNeelyNBC/status/1290761746291007489
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on August 04, 2020, 06:43:18 PM
Quote
2,750 tons of ammonium nitrate left unsecured for 6 years in a warehouse
:o
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 04, 2020, 06:54:13 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 04, 2020, 06:43:18 PM
Quote
2,750 tons of ammonium nitrate left unsecured for 6 years in a warehouse
:o

 :titus
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: zomgee on August 04, 2020, 07:58:57 PM
I mean

Where else are you going to put it


It's amazing it took 6 years.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: shosta on August 05, 2020, 01:59:30 AM
https://twitter.com/TheGrayzoneNews/status/1290661085662642179

here we go again :goty
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Kara on August 05, 2020, 03:24:47 AM
They're 100% going to fuck with Nicaragua's 2021 election.

Personally I'm looking forward to a COVID-19 election delay being treated as a legitimacy crisis while Bolovia still hasn't had its replacement election.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: shosta on August 05, 2020, 03:27:32 AM
Biden? A Democrat? No way...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on August 05, 2020, 03:35:32 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/LhTFVpE.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on August 05, 2020, 05:13:57 AM
I love how they've made a job ad on LinkedIn for the regime change transition  :lol

(https://i0.wp.com/thegrayzone.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/LinkedIn-Democracy-International-Nicaragua-USAID-coup.png?resize=1018%2C1024&ssl=1)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on August 05, 2020, 07:36:06 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 04, 2020, 06:54:13 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 04, 2020, 06:43:18 PM
Quote
2,750 tons of ammonium nitrate left unsecured for 6 years in a warehouse
:o

 :titus
Just heard on the news, quarter of a million people homeless because of this blast.

100 deaths / 4000 wounded and lots of people still missing.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Pissy F Benny on August 05, 2020, 12:09:59 PM
:maduro
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Tripon on August 05, 2020, 03:28:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_402-jXpZXg
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Crash Dummy on August 06, 2020, 03:13:17 AM
Quote
"I never envisaged Boris as a sleeping partner,"
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/29/business/sex-party-company-future-fund/index.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: VomKriege on August 06, 2020, 03:16:17 AM
Quote from: Crash Dummy on August 06, 2020, 03:13:17 AM
Quote
"I never envisaged Boris as a sleeping partner,"
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/29/business/sex-party-company-future-fund/index.html

:ohyou
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on August 06, 2020, 03:26:10 AM
https://twitter.com/jennineak/status/1291270247358402560

https://twitter.com/jennineak/status/1291272459597963265


 :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Pissy F Benny on August 06, 2020, 11:59:28 AM
isreal? more like is he for real?

:corona_rodney
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 06, 2020, 01:14:21 PM
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-saudi-crown-prince-sent-hit-squad-to-canada-exiled-spy-chief-alleges/

Quote
Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince dispatched a hit squad to Toronto in an attempt to murder a former high-ranking intelligence officer, an effort made shortly after the assassination of dissident journalist Jamal Khashoggi in Turkey, according to allegations contained in court documents filed in Washington.

The target was Saad Aljabri, 61, who held a senior intelligence post under deposed crown prince Mohammed bin Nayef. He has been keeping a low profile and under private security protection in Toronto since 2017.

Mr. Aljabri alleges in newly filed court documents that Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman tracked him in both the United States, where he owns property, and later in Canada because he possessed “damning information,” including recordings he has made in case he is one day killed. The filings do not explain how Mr. Aljabri obtained the information on which his allegations are based.

“On or around October 15, 2018 – less than two weeks after the extrajudicial killing of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi ... another team of Saudi nationals traveled across the Atlantic Ocean from Saudi Arabia to Canada, where Dr. Saad lives in exile, with the intention of killing Dr. Saad,” the court documents allege.

Mr. Khashoggi, a columnist for the Washington Post, was an outspoken critic of Crown Prince bin Salman, the de facto leader of the oil-rich kingdom who’s known by the initials MBS. Mr. Khashoggi was strangled and dismembered by a 15-member team of Saudi assassins on October 2, 2018, during a visit to the Saudi consulate in Istanbul.

Mr. Aljabri alleges the Crown Prince, “deployed a network of Saudi agents” in the U.S. to hunt him while he was living in Boston in 2017. When he fled the United States to Canada later that year, he says the Saudis dispatched an assassination team known as the Tiger Squad to Toronto.

Members of the Tiger Squad, who are loyal to the Crown Prince, obtained Canadian tourist visas in May, 2018, five months before their trip, the documents say.

They carried two bags of forensic tools and had personnel experienced in the cleanup of crime scenes – including one who worked in the same department as the man who dismembered Mr. Khashoggi with a bone saw. They were intercepted at Toronto’s Pearson International Airport, where they tried to “avert the detection of Canadian border security by entering through separate kiosks.”

According to the court filing, Canadian border agents “quickly became suspicious” of the arrivals and quizzed the Saudis, who are named in the documents. They denied knowing one another, but the CBSA found a photo of some of the men together and refused to let them into the country, except for one who was allowed to enter with a diplomatic passport.

In the court filing, Mr. Aljabri accuses the Crown Prince of attempted extrajudicial killing in violation of the U.S. Torture Victim Protection Act and in breach of international law. Mr. Aljabri cites the United States’s Alien Tort Statute that protects foreign nationals from flagrant human-rights violations.

One of the lawyers acting for Mr. Aljabri in the filing is David Pressman, a former assistant secretary at the Department of Homeland Security who was once nominated by then-president Barack Obama to serve as ambassador for the United States at the United Nations Security Council. He has also previously served as director for war crimes and atrocities on the National Security Council at the White House.

Mr. Aljabri said in the court filing that he believes the Crown Prince has not given up on killing him, noting a recent fatwa issued by Saudi religious leaders urging followers to murder him.

“Following the failure of the October 2018 Tiger Squad plot in Canada, upon information and belief, Defendant bin Salman now plans to send agents directly through the United States to enter Canada by land and, once and for all eliminate Dr. Saad.”

Mr. Aljabri, who the filings say has been granted permanent-resident status in Canada, managed to get all but two of his eight children out of Saudi Arabia. In mid-March, authorities imprisoned Omar, 21, and Sara, 20, in what was widely considered an effort to force his return from exile.

Mr. Aljabri has vast counter-terrorism experience and deep knowledge of some of Saudi Arabia’s most sensitive information including the foreign bank accounts and financial assets of senior Saudi Royal Family members. This knowledge, he alleges, is why the Crown Prince wants him dead.

“Dr. Saad was privy to sensitive information about defendant bin Salman’s covert political scheming within the Royal Court, corrupt business dealings, and creation of a team of personal mercenaries that defendant bin Salman would later use to carry out the extrajudicial of Jamal Khashoggi, among others.”

The court documents say Mr. Aljabri has saved thousands of American lives, including providing key intelligence that prevented a terrorist plot targeting synagogues in Chicago. He alleges in the court filing that MBS believes Mr. Aljabri is responsible for the CIA’s conclusion that MBS ordered the killing of Mr. Khashoggi. The Crown Prince has denied that he ordered the killing.

The Globe and Mail reported in July that the Saudis tried to have Mr. Aljabri arrested through an Interpol warrant in late 2017 and later asked Canada to extradite him in the fall of 2019, even though Ottawa does not have an extradition treaty with Riyadh.

Mr. Aljabri intervened in 2012 on Canada’s behalf to commute the public beheading of Saudi-Canadian Mohamed Kohail, who was accused of murdering a man during a schoolyard brawl. A sentence of 200 lashes for his brother, Sultan, was also commuted.

Before he came to Canada, Mr. Aljabri had been teaching at Harvard University but decided to move to Toronto because he was worried President Donald Trump and his son-in-law Jared Kushner were too close to the Crown Prince and may not guarantee his safety, sources say.

Mr. Aljabri has reason to fear the Crown Prince.

In the court filing, Mr. Aljabri said the Crown Prince has sought to eliminate anyone who had a “direct line to senior U.S. intelligence officials and a wealth of potential harmful knowledge about” him. He alleges MBS uses his personal charitable organization, the MiSK Foundation, to fund the Tiger Squad and other covert activities abroad.

The court filing lists the names of key figures in the foundation and alleges they cultivated a “network of covert agents whom he [MBS] has deployed to target individuals who undermine defendant bin Salman in the United States.”

Relations between Canada and Saudi Arabia have been strained since August, 2018, when then-foreign affairs minister Chrystia Freeland tweeted that Saudi Arabia should “immediately release” imprisoned rights activists.

The Saudis were enraged and recalled Ambassador Naif bin Bandar al-Sudairi, expelled Canadian ambassador Dennis Horak, halted the state-owned airline from flying to Toronto and ordered thousands of Saudi students studying in Canada to return home.

Sources say Canada’s refusal to send Mr. Aljabri back was a contributing factor to the Saudi diplomatic reaction, as well as the inability of Ambassador al-Sudairi to get any high-level meeting with Canadian foreign-affairs officials.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on August 06, 2020, 01:23:03 PM
Don't worry Lebanon, Macron is here to help you
https://twitter.com/aleeharissi/status/1291327356343287808 (https://twitter.com/aleeharissi/status/1291327356343287808)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: VomKriege on August 06, 2020, 01:40:16 PM
New Reality TV Show : Swap heads of state for a week.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Yeti on August 06, 2020, 10:36:52 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on August 06, 2020, 01:40:16 PM
New Reality TV Show : Swap heads of state for a week.

“ Which Country is Getting the Best Head?”
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on August 07, 2020, 04:16:22 AM
https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1291369143195914240 (https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1291369143195914240)

 :corona_rodney
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Tripon on August 07, 2020, 02:29:43 PM
(https://cdn.i-scmp.com/sites/default/files/d8/images/methode/2020/08/07/8066f1ac-d86a-11ea-a9df-dfa023813e67_972x_154423.jpg)

Quote
Ryu Ho-jeong said: ‘What I am currently going through is what other women are also undergoing at their own workplace.’ Photo: HandoutRyu Ho-jeong said: ‘What I am currently going through is what other women are also undergoing at their own workplace.’ Photo: Handout
Ryu Ho-jeong said: ‘What I am currently going through is what other women are also undergoing at their own workplace.’ Photo: Handout
A South Korean lawmaker who wore a short red dress to parliament has become a target of misogynistic abuse online, prompting debate about sexism and the country’s patriarchal taboos.
Photos of Ryu Ho-jeong, 28, walking down an aisle during a plenary parliamentary session Tuesday in a red wrap dress appeared online. Ryu, who is a member of the progressive minor Justice Party and the country’s youngest lawmaker, drew criticism online but also support for her willingness to challenge an outdated norm.
One Facebook poster asked: “Is this a bar hostess who came to parliament to collect overdue charges for drinks?” Another asked: “Are you doing an escort service?”

 :lawd
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on August 07, 2020, 02:38:35 PM
 :shaq
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Kara on August 07, 2020, 04:11:16 PM
Loving the "neither something to be proud nor ashamed of" plurality in all the countries where decolonization took place in living memory.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on August 07, 2020, 08:11:08 PM
https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1291738878227779584

https://twitter.com/soureh_design/status/1291329335257968640


 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 07, 2020, 08:50:31 PM
It's one thing to have a healthy suspicion, it's another to ignore all available evidence so you can push your pet narrative.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Rufus on August 07, 2020, 10:16:04 PM
Don't ascribe to gross negligence what you can ascribe to an evil outside influence.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on August 07, 2020, 10:19:25 PM
sure, let's not look at the country next door that has been bombing, threatening to bomb and regularly attacks it's neighbors. same country also said they would be attacking infrastructure as well  :thinking who could it be  ???
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: OnlyRegret on August 07, 2020, 10:25:21 PM
Quote from: Esch on August 07, 2020, 03:56:50 PM
:dead

snip

supplementary data for a deeper dive

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/z7uxxko71z/YouGov%20-%20British%20empire%20attitudes.pdf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Rufus on August 07, 2020, 10:36:14 PM
Nearly 3000 tons of ammonium nitrate haphazardly stored and forgotten about for years finally explodes, after which the man in charge makes ominous claims about the possibility of an attack, in a region where Israel is blamed for all strife.

This dude is throwing a smokescreen to distract from the fact that they fucked up big time. :comeon
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 07, 2020, 10:54:01 PM
Quote from: filler on August 07, 2020, 10:19:25 PM
sure, let's not look at the country next door that has been bombing, threatening to bomb and regularly attacks it's neighbors. same country also said they would be attacking infrastructure as well  :thinking who could it be  ???

You didn't use the Kermit drinking tea emote so I don't trust any of the information in this post.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on August 07, 2020, 10:59:17 PM
https://twitter.com/snarwani/status/1291927098504941569

they know what they did  :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Tripon on August 08, 2020, 12:20:26 AM
https://twitter.com/yesterdaysprint/status/1289609019842113541
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on August 08, 2020, 04:58:37 AM
Quote from: Rufus on August 07, 2020, 10:36:14 PM
Nearly 3000 tons of ammonium nitrate haphazardly stored and forgotten about for years finally explodes, after which the man in charge makes ominous claims about the possibility of an attack, in a region where Israel is blamed for all strife.

This dude is throwing a smokescreen to distract from the fact that they fucked up big time. :comeon
Besides it was probably Macron
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: shosta on August 08, 2020, 04:06:24 PM
Getting major anxiety over what the Bolivian government is going to do in response to the roadblocks.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Kara on August 08, 2020, 05:06:22 PM
It sounds like they've been good about letting essential items and people through so far.

The dipshit president has called for talks on Sunday.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on August 08, 2020, 06:43:14 PM
https://twitter.com/Rozb7aleeb/status/1292151773935947785


 :stahp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on August 08, 2020, 09:49:32 PM
https://twitter.com/ReutersIndia/status/1292271895547645952

https://twitter.com/adxtrjuseniorit/status/1292276332274036742


 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on August 08, 2020, 10:44:32 PM
https://twitter.com/timand2037/status/1292242265822224384


 :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on August 09, 2020, 12:38:30 AM
https://twitter.com/News_In__Brief/status/1291738274558611458


 :stahp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on August 09, 2020, 12:22:06 PM
Lukashenko lost but will he concede?

https://twitter.com/AlexandreKrausz/status/1292489923933675524 (https://twitter.com/AlexandreKrausz/status/1292489923933675524)

https://twitter.com/OnlinerBY/status/1292449258793246721 (https://twitter.com/OnlinerBY/status/1292449258793246721)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on August 09, 2020, 04:41:53 PM
Welp, Lukashenko rigged it. Completely falsified the outcome (oppo came in at 7% lol)

https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1292539654449790977 (https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1292539654449790977)

https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1292555515776634880 (https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1292555515776634880)

Time to simp bois let's use the power of the internet to get that fat fuck out of office  :mynicca

(https://static.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/28961/a__elarus_elections-protest-08032020-1.jpg)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on August 09, 2020, 04:43:54 PM
 :shaq
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on August 09, 2020, 04:54:59 PM
https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1292541329701052428 (https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1292541329701052428)

The result was rigged, but the local tallies weren't and they did an actual count that shows the opposition lady won big.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Kara on August 09, 2020, 05:02:47 PM
Quote from: Kara on August 08, 2020, 05:06:22 PM
The dipshit president has called for talks on Sunday.

Update: These were boycotted by the people asking for another actual election to take place.

Fernando Camacho (a candidate in the election that just can't seem to happen) has said that he will use his guys ("the people" specifically) to disperse the general strikes if the dipshit president won't use the army.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on August 09, 2020, 05:07:06 PM
https://twitter.com/franakviacorka/status/1292566240465235969 (https://twitter.com/franakviacorka/status/1292566240465235969)

Stay strong Belarus. Hopefully the international community will support them.  :fbm

Hard to tell who's winning this. For every crowd the police disperses a new bigger crowd appears.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on August 09, 2020, 07:46:21 PM
https://twitter.com/foxyneela/status/1292442352993402886


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: team filler on August 10, 2020, 04:15:23 AM
https://twitter.com/UpdatesLebanese/status/1292443198464434181

https://twitter.com/abcnews/status/1290994165690568706


 :wtf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Boris' Cummings
Post by: Nintex on August 10, 2020, 04:53:49 AM
Lukashenko has clubbed enough people so he can stay in the bad boys club. Congratulations from Putin and Xi.

https://twitter.com/russian_market/status/1292734060188635136 (https://twitter.com/russian_market/status/1292734060188635136)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 10, 2020, 11:34:13 AM
https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1292486453969203204 (https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1292486453969203204)

Macron will decide Lebanon's fate :snob
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on August 10, 2020, 01:02:51 PM
not surprised to see Nintex in here shilling for anti-democracy interests in Belarus and refusing to accept another smashing election victory confirmed as legitimate
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 10, 2020, 01:15:18 PM
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1292850826940166150 (https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1292850826940166150)

Nice country you have there comrade :putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: OnlyRegret on August 10, 2020, 02:29:43 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 10, 2020, 11:34:13 AM
https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1292486453969203204 (https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1292486453969203204)

Macron will decide Lebanon's fate :snob

Quote from: Esch on August 10, 2020, 11:25:35 AM
https://twitter.com/business/status/1292839785627897860

KONO PAWAA!!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 10, 2020, 05:06:25 PM
Belarus protesters gaining ground on the police tonight.
They're blocking the roads in the capital with cars, making it difficult for the police to coordinate their forces.
https://twitter.com/FreeBelarus1/status/1292922265496096768 (https://twitter.com/FreeBelarus1/status/1292922265496096768)

Police ran over protesters so now citizens are running over police
https://twitter.com/jan_wiebe/status/1292931284390555653 (https://twitter.com/jan_wiebe/status/1292931284390555653)

They've also started to answer stun grenades and flash bangs with heavy fireworks
https://twitter.com/MBKhMedia/status/1292930289304506371 (https://twitter.com/MBKhMedia/status/1292930289304506371)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 11, 2020, 12:29:03 AM
https://twitter.com/timand2037/status/1291608983690567681

https://twitter.com/timand2037/status/1291615370357297152

 :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 11, 2020, 06:17:40 AM
They broke her :(

Svetlana Tikhanovskaya recorded a video message after leaving for Lithuania.
 “I thought that this campaign hardened me very much, but I guess I still remain the weak woman I was. Take care of yourself: no life is worth what is happening now "

https://twitter.com/mediazona_by/status/1293100236710215681 (https://twitter.com/mediazona_by/status/1293100236710215681)

https://twitter.com/DaveDalton42/status/1293135916203233286 (https://twitter.com/DaveDalton42/status/1293135916203233286)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on August 11, 2020, 08:57:46 AM
:putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 12, 2020, 12:08:37 PM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1293575867050921987 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1293575867050921987)

Why don't we have a Macron emoji?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: shosta on August 12, 2020, 02:15:16 PM
Bolivia still on its knees. Massive democratic movements :delicious
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 12, 2020, 02:20:31 PM
Quote from: shosta on August 12, 2020, 02:15:16 PM
Bolivia still on its knees. Massive democratic movements :delicious
Bolivia be like yo dawg I head you like coups so you gotta coup while you coup
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Tripon on August 12, 2020, 02:40:41 PM
https://twitter.com/news18dotcom/status/1293389832509521920

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kara on August 12, 2020, 03:19:21 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 12, 2020, 02:20:31 PM
Quote from: shosta on August 12, 2020, 02:15:16 PM
Bolivia still on its knees. Massive democratic movements :delicious
Bolivia be like yo dawg I head you like coups so you gotta coup while you coup

#rememberwhen your dumb ass caped for the coup at the time it took place and then it was widely reported that all those reasons why it needed to happen were rubbish?

This is more of an evergreen statement but it certainly applies here: shut up, dipshit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: shosta on August 12, 2020, 03:20:56 PM
I believe Nintex's exact words were "sometimes you just gotta punch the commies in the face" so it's abundantly clear whose side he's on even when it means cancelling elections and murdering indigenous people
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kara on August 12, 2020, 03:24:48 PM
He also called Evo Morales a "commie" shortly after decrying people for imprecisely calling everyone a Nazi. Sentient styrofoam.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: shosta on August 12, 2020, 03:28:07 PM
I think the worst part of the coup is that a lot of the damage is irreversible. If a new Bolivian government tries to seize the public assets back that this government illegally sold at bargain prices then they would immediately be isolated by the international community. 15 years of painstakingly "doing it the right way" down the drain.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 12, 2020, 06:38:45 PM
In my defense, I didn't know they'd end at a 15% approval rating and put a woman in charge  :idont

https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1293661283183742978 (https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1293661283183742978)

Quote
The situation in the Eastern Mediterranean is worrying. Turkey's unilateral decisions on oil exploration are causing tensions. These must stop in order for a peaceful dialogue between neighboring and NATO allies to take place.

I decided to temporarily strengthen the French military presence in the Eastern Mediterranean in the coming days, in cooperation with European partners, including Greece.

Ok, where's the Macron emoji already before he starts a war with the Ottomans

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: VomKriege on August 12, 2020, 06:41:16 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/GASqG2j.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kara on August 12, 2020, 06:58:17 PM
Here's some:

(https://i.imgur.com/LxCsnM7.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 12, 2020, 10:33:09 PM
Nice, time to dump all our current emojis and just add all of these.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 13, 2020, 01:07:23 PM
https://twitter.com/GlobalTelevsion/status/1293956551477088256 (https://twitter.com/GlobalTelevsion/status/1293956551477088256)

 :gaas

Meanwhile things are looking up in Belarus. Military units are defecting

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1293913392181161991 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1293913392181161991)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 13, 2020, 03:51:25 PM
https://twitter.com/mayyish/status/1292989102959349760

https://twitter.com/mayyish/status/1292989133196058624

https://twitter.com/mayyish/status/1292989136073261056

https://twitter.com/mayyish/status/1293615952446345216

I knew it :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Rufus on August 13, 2020, 04:23:18 PM
Quote
The fact is: the US undeniably attacked Lebanon through Israel.
I don't need to hear the jets, or eyewitnesses detail seeing the planes, or all the first accounts about 2 bombings followed by the last explosive one.
They help, but the media/political response is enough proof.
:beli
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 13, 2020, 04:33:15 PM
"Mr. President we need your order to start bombing Lebanon"

"What, why do you want to bomb Lesbians again?"

"No sir, LEBANON. A country in the Middle East"

"Oh, you're one of those geniuses, no I already told Mike we're not bombing the Lesbians in the Middle East either"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 14, 2020, 05:20:55 AM
Account from a Russian journalist who found himself arrested in Belarus.
Warning, this is a pretty shocking read.
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/08/13/just-shoot-us-already (https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/08/13/just-shoot-us-already)

The weird thing though, the Belarusian special forces seem to think that the opposition leader was actually controlled by Russia to take over Belarus.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 14, 2020, 09:34:35 AM
Great news from Belarus, 2000 prisoners have been released in an effort to stop the protests. Police has pretty much disappeared from the streets after a day of protests and strikes.
Even miners and factory workers who are the base of Lukashenko's supporters joined the protests and some former and current members of the government.

https://twitter.com/arnout_brouwers/status/1294239209323102210 (https://twitter.com/arnout_brouwers/status/1294239209323102210)

https://twitter.com/franakviacorka/status/1294258169313660929 (https://twitter.com/franakviacorka/status/1294258169313660929)

https://twitter.com/franakviacorka/status/1294264524263096320 (https://twitter.com/franakviacorka/status/1294264524263096320)

Basically protests, strikes and demonstrations in every city now. The regime is done for
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on August 14, 2020, 10:29:54 AM
I don't get how they suck so bad at rigging. If they'd just announced 55% or something maybe people wouldn't be so pissed.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on August 14, 2020, 10:42:42 AM
Just wait til Trump wins a  90:10 landslide over sleepy joe :trumps :killme
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 14, 2020, 11:46:13 AM
https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1294290376010981376 (https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1294290376010981376)

https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1294276005306212354 (https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1294276005306212354)

we will soon crown a queen  8)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 14, 2020, 01:12:00 PM
https://twitter.com/evangershkovich/status/1294309125330014208 (https://twitter.com/evangershkovich/status/1294309125330014208)

You're right motherfucker we're taking you down.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: VomKriege on August 15, 2020, 01:15:44 AM
Quote from: Transhuman on August 14, 2020, 10:29:54 AM
I don't get how they suck so bad at rigging. If they'd just announced 55% or something maybe people wouldn't be so pissed.

benjipwns rigging methods and his Papa Belarus reckt.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 15, 2020, 05:41:47 AM
Lukashenko: "Russia is trying to take-over!"

https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1294566323981254656 (https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1294566323981254656)

Lukashenko: "Putin plz help"

Strangely enough, Moscow doesn't seem inclined to help with pro-Putin media in Russia wondering if he should or will even pick up the phone  :doge  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 16, 2020, 05:47:57 AM
https://twitter.com/RT_russian/status/1294923740074180608 (https://twitter.com/RT_russian/status/1294923740074180608)

Quote
This is what Independence Square in Minsk looks like now, where a rally in support of Lukashenka begins.

And the smallest crowd of the year award goes to!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 16, 2020, 07:37:56 AM
He bussed in supporters and started speaking

https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1294955990803189761 (https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1294955990803189761)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 16, 2020, 09:02:25 AM
Breaking: Lukashenko's warning of the coming invasion of LEGO men did not work

https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1294979289360871425 (https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1294979289360871425)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: VomKriege on August 16, 2020, 02:43:14 PM
https://twitter.com/XSovietNews/status/1294697324522938368
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 16, 2020, 03:35:08 PM
https://twitter.com/search?q=fillers&src=trend_click

 :drool
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 17, 2020, 05:30:26 AM
https://twitter.com/franakviacorka/status/1295277288985165825 (https://twitter.com/franakviacorka/status/1295277288985165825)

https://twitter.com/franakviacorka/status/1295257067419242497 (https://twitter.com/franakviacorka/status/1295257067419242497)

 :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on August 17, 2020, 06:08:19 AM
Belarus
Behruit
Thailand

:rejoice

The people know what to do
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 18, 2020, 01:08:54 AM
https://twitter.com/hermosavidion/status/1295558313879277568

 :juche
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 18, 2020, 07:22:49 PM
Rumors swirling that Lukashenko has boarded an FSB plane and is on his way to the Kremlin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 18, 2020, 07:29:00 PM
in the middle of a crises and he's taking holiday  :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on August 20, 2020, 02:34:21 AM
Alexei Navalny poisoned and in a coma...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 20, 2020, 05:24:40 AM
https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1296326321858019329 (https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1296326321858019329)

 :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 20, 2020, 05:26:06 AM
https://twitter.com/adagamov/status/1296350901108604929
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on August 20, 2020, 06:21:55 AM
That’s some nice tea you got there. Would be a shame if something happened to it  :putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 20, 2020, 06:27:27 AM
"Look Jill, we got a nice gift from Putin. He send us a box of tea and wishes me luck in the election. See I told you he wasn't such a bad guy I'll get the kettle on"  :biden
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on August 20, 2020, 09:06:41 AM
It's not funny, bros
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: EchoRin on August 20, 2020, 12:56:44 PM
Just got around to reading about the incident.

Man...

(https://scontent.ford4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/117972450_10157215072957676_2871361784426839818_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=TON9Vt29PbcAX-52vQp&_nc_ht=scontent.ford4-1.fna&oh=75242e3f247f7d4419a009c62b7f442d&oe=5F64A439)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 20, 2020, 01:06:04 PM
Sounds like they're going to take him to Germany for treatment.

Confirmed now
https://twitter.com/ronzheimer/status/1296493416851939329 (https://twitter.com/ronzheimer/status/1296493416851939329)

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1296493308286509056 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1296493308286509056)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on August 20, 2020, 03:02:51 PM
 :dead

https://mobile.twitter.com/AOCIsMyWaifu/status/1296447846623973377
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 20, 2020, 03:04:34 PM
https://twitter.com/AOCIsMyWaifu/status/1296450222638411777 (https://twitter.com/AOCIsMyWaifu/status/1296450222638411777)

Looks like a jank Max Payne mod, also comes included with his signature shouting.
This is utterly fantastic
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 20, 2020, 06:31:50 PM
large birds have the same programming as the chickens in zelda
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 21, 2020, 01:03:43 AM
they fuck your ass to level up hp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on August 21, 2020, 03:01:54 AM
Quote from: Stro on August 20, 2020, 10:03:39 PM
Zelda games are for fat girls and petite bois so idk what the chicken programing is in zelda
(https://i.imgur.com/RvWCEQH.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 21, 2020, 07:51:06 AM
https://twitter.com/dimsmirnov175/status/1296757908219351045 (https://twitter.com/dimsmirnov175/status/1296757908219351045)

Lukashenko: How many people are on strike? Not at all? How? It's strange. Nobody is on strike!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Tripon on August 21, 2020, 12:14:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Fy5LpfDBpM
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 23, 2020, 01:57:06 PM
https://twitter.com/HannaLiubakova/status/1297574851444715521 (https://twitter.com/HannaLiubakova/status/1297574851444715521)

https://twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1297586203068207104 (https://twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1297586203068207104)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 23, 2020, 02:13:32 PM
he has no idea how to handle a rifle  :lol would look similar if trump did this  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 23, 2020, 02:34:51 PM
https://twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1297602821634707458 (https://twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1297602821634707458)

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 23, 2020, 02:49:34 PM
Dude's carrying that rifle like it's a loaf of bread. :neogaf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 23, 2020, 02:52:22 PM
like a lil kid carrying his lunch pale from the bus to school  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 23, 2020, 05:42:29 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/rc9FpNZ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/a93xAvd.jpg)

 :ohhh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: shosta on August 23, 2020, 05:49:59 PM
https://twitter.com/heaberald/status/1297574487131553795
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 23, 2020, 07:10:30 PM
https://twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1297659073584717824 (https://twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1297659073584717824)

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: OnlyRegret on August 23, 2020, 09:29:12 PM
https://twitter.com/OVargas52/status/1296938599418662917
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 23, 2020, 09:38:59 PM
https://twitter.com/OVargas52/status/1296939697642635264

trying to resurrect the spanish empire  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 24, 2020, 11:13:37 AM
https://apnews.com/89051aea9fa1150cd04606ce50167204 (https://apnews.com/89051aea9fa1150cd04606ce50167204)

The Germans have found signs of poisoning after conducting tests on Navalny.
He's still in a coma but they think he's going to make it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pennywise on August 24, 2020, 11:30:56 AM
Quote from: Nintex on August 24, 2020, 11:13:37 AM
https://apnews.com/89051aea9fa1150cd04606ce50167204 (https://apnews.com/89051aea9fa1150cd04606ce50167204)

The Germans have found signs of poisoning after conducting tests on Navalny.
He's still in a coma but they think he's going to make it.
The stuff they found is usually used for myasthenia, but also known as neurotoxin.
Charitee won't rule out effects on his neural system.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 24, 2020, 02:39:15 PM
why would they poison dude with coronvirus out there? like just get him infected. shid seems fake tbh  ::)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 25, 2020, 06:12:07 PM
https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2011/dp-pd/vc-rv/index.cfm?LANG=ENG&VIEW=C&TOPIC_ID=4&GEOCODE=47&CFORMAT=html#f4_2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 26, 2020, 11:50:34 AM
https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1298641191718858759 (https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1298641191718858759)

 :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: shosta on August 26, 2020, 12:16:32 PM
https://twitter.com/haaretzcom/status/1298648381208829957
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 27, 2020, 01:27:14 PM
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/thomas-hartle-magic-mushroom-psilocybin-therapy-1.5700371

There is a growing push to make psychedelics legal in Canada
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 27, 2020, 08:43:01 PM
https://www.saskatchewan.ca/government/news-and-media/2020/august/27/ree-facility
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 28, 2020, 02:47:03 PM
https://twitter.com/LucasFoxNews/status/1299399920470851588 (https://twitter.com/LucasFoxNews/status/1299399920470851588)

 :putin :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: EchoRin on August 28, 2020, 06:31:14 PM
Oh snap. Abe has left the building.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/28/asia/shinzo-abe-japan-resignation-health-intl-hnk/index.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 28, 2020, 06:49:10 PM
And now starts the process of a new Japanese PM every 10 months for the next decade.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 28, 2020, 08:47:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny2LU7X2WC4

 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Flannel Boy on August 28, 2020, 11:12:39 PM
Quote

South Korea’s total fertility rate dropped to a historic low of 0.84
. . .

In 2018, the total fertility rate fell to 0.98, making South Korea the lowest-ranking member of the OECD by total fertility rate and the only one with a rate lower than 1. Last year, the rate slid even further to 0.92


http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_national/959616.html


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 28, 2020, 11:15:07 PM
lmao stay losing breeders
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 30, 2020, 01:00:39 PM
https://twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1300113103250628614 (https://twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1300113103250628614)

The new Super Mario movie sure is different
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on August 31, 2020, 05:31:46 AM
https://twitter.com/ap/status/1300355608550440960

:kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 31, 2020, 11:55:37 AM
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/conservative-mp-under-fire-for-tweet-with-anti-semitic-undertones-1.5085645
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 31, 2020, 12:29:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BocQbTvNx8w

 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on August 31, 2020, 12:33:13 PM
I’m liking that just based on the thumbnail  :drool
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 31, 2020, 12:44:27 PM
she is exactly right about everything  :fbm

"you know what happened? isreal happened"  :ohyeah


all the vids at the end  :stahp

not listening to arabs when it comes to israel, is even worse than not listening to black people when it comes to the police
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 31, 2020, 01:54:48 PM
Quote from: filler on August 31, 2020, 12:29:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BocQbTvNx8w

 :kermit

Even Hezbollah says Israel had no involvement.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on August 31, 2020, 02:04:21 PM
But she says they did

:kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 31, 2020, 02:05:23 PM
woah if true
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 31, 2020, 02:18:41 PM
"Hezbollah is just the Democrats to Israel's Republicans."
~probably someone filler would retweet, especially if they had nice cans
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 31, 2020, 02:20:06 PM
these replies make clear who didn't watch the video  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on August 31, 2020, 02:42:24 PM
That would be one hell of a long con to start your "attack" by planting ammonium nitrate there for like 5 years.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 31, 2020, 02:45:58 PM
they didn't plant it ::)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on August 31, 2020, 04:50:31 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 31, 2020, 02:18:41 PM
"Hezbollah is just the Democrats to Israel's Republicans."
~probably someone filler would retweet, especially if they had nice cans
Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 31, 2020, 02:05:23 PM
woah if true

If a virtual little anime girl with big tiddies told you to hate Israel you’d be bigger anti-Zioners than filler  ::)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 31, 2020, 05:40:15 PM
Quote from: BIONIC on August 31, 2020, 04:50:31 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 31, 2020, 02:18:41 PM
"Hezbollah is just the Democrats to Israel's Republicans."
~probably someone filler would retweet, especially if they had nice cans
Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 31, 2020, 02:05:23 PM
woah if true

If a virtual little anime girl with big tiddies told you to hate Israel you’d be bigger anti-Zioners than filler  ::)

 :ohhh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: EchoRin on August 31, 2020, 05:41:44 PM
Depends how kawaii she is.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on August 31, 2020, 05:50:21 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 31, 2020, 05:40:15 PM
Quote from: BIONIC on August 31, 2020, 04:50:31 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 31, 2020, 02:18:41 PM
"Hezbollah is just the Democrats to Israel's Republicans."
~probably someone filler would retweet, especially if they had nice cans
Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 31, 2020, 02:05:23 PM
woah if true

If a virtual little anime girl with big tiddies told you to hate Israel you’d be bigger anti-Zioners than filler  ::)

 :ohhh

The next big George Soros venture  :rollsafe
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 31, 2020, 05:51:00 PM
Regardless, big anime tiddy political vtuber goes on my billion dollar idea list   :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 31, 2020, 07:02:02 PM
Don't worry, guys, Animegurl_kawaii420 did a structural analysis of the Beirut port warehouse and ran a custom simulation of fertilizer vs a ballistic missile and found that Israel is 100% responsible!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 31, 2020, 07:04:33 PM
 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 31, 2020, 07:14:17 PM
Watched the video.

It's nothing.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 31, 2020, 07:22:54 PM
 :maduro
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on September 03, 2020, 04:27:35 AM
Hello fellow international proletarians! After doing an online quiz I am now an official member of the Italian Communist Party, GroenLinks, Die Linke and SYRIZA/KKE. I can't wait to interfere in your elections!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on September 03, 2020, 04:32:16 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 03, 2020, 04:27:35 AM
Hello fellow international proletarians! After doing an online quiz I am now an official member of the Italian Communist Party, GroenLinks, Die Linke and SYRIZA/KKE. I can't wait to interfere in your elections!

https://youtu.be/n1Ho-mT63us
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 03, 2020, 05:13:28 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 03, 2020, 04:27:35 AM
Hello fellow international proletarians! After doing an online quiz I am now an official member of the Italian Communist Party, GroenLinks, Die Linke and SYRIZA/KKE. I can't wait to interfere in your elections!

lmao GroenLinks
 :girlaff :crowdlaff

Parliamentary elections in March 2021 is gonna wipe them out  :mynicca


Quote from: BIONIC on September 03, 2020, 04:32:16 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 03, 2020, 04:27:35 AM
Hello fellow international proletarians! After doing an online quiz I am now an official member of the Italian Communist Party, GroenLinks, Die Linke and SYRIZA/KKE. I can't wait to interfere in your elections!

https://youtu.be/n1Ho-mT63us
Silvio  :preach
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on September 03, 2020, 12:00:50 PM
Quote from: BIONIC on September 03, 2020, 04:32:16 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 03, 2020, 04:27:35 AM
Hello fellow international proletarians! After doing an online quiz I am now an official member of the Italian Communist Party, GroenLinks, Die Linke and SYRIZA/KKE. I can't wait to interfere in your elections!

https://youtu.be/n1Ho-mT63us

 :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on September 03, 2020, 12:02:01 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 03, 2020, 04:27:35 AM
Hello fellow international proletarians! After doing an online quiz I am now an official member of the Italian Communist Party, GroenLinks, Die Linke and SYRIZA/KKE. I can't wait to interfere in your elections!

Think you have the process backwards, Benji.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: VomKriege on September 04, 2020, 07:28:06 AM
Quote from: Propagandhim on September 03, 2020, 12:00:50 PM
Quote from: BIONIC on September 03, 2020, 04:32:16 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 03, 2020, 04:27:35 AM
Hello fellow international proletarians! After doing an online quiz I am now an official member of the Italian Communist Party, GroenLinks, Die Linke and SYRIZA/KKE. I can't wait to interfere in your elections!

https://youtu.be/n1Ho-mT63us

 :lol :lol

:larry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on September 04, 2020, 10:14:33 AM
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/australia-china-relations/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on September 04, 2020, 03:30:13 PM
Quote from: Nintex on September 03, 2020, 05:13:28 AM
lmao GroenLinks
Also Democrats 66!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 06, 2020, 06:35:27 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 04, 2020, 03:30:13 PM
Quote from: Nintex on September 03, 2020, 05:13:28 AM
lmao GroenLinks
Also Democrats 66!
Jesus christ, they absolute worst.

D66 just now has a new party leader, who hasn't lived in the country for like a decade.
She wrote an article that got into a newspaper friendly to the party about her motivations and ideas
and it was literally the most empty hollow shell 'we have to come together' copy - pasta bullshit you can imagine  :lol


Looks like he got an offer he couldn't refuse  :lol
https://twitter.com/JasminMuj/status/1302281204805201922 (https://twitter.com/JasminMuj/status/1302281204805201922)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on September 08, 2020, 04:35:43 PM
Quote from: Cindi Mayweather on September 04, 2020, 10:14:33 AM
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/australia-china-relations/

Australia has no journalists left in the entirety of China, except the one being detained without charge.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: OnlyRegret on September 08, 2020, 04:40:25 PM
https://twitter.com/CptainJk/status/1303327521853890560
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on September 09, 2020, 07:06:27 AM
worst korea gettin dat werk  :birb

https://twitter.com/cyxxx19/status/1303556163330400256

https://twitter.com/itsmevhonn/status/1303599361620938752

https://twitter.com/xenaglazeurbano/status/1303567476677107712

https://twitter.com/IppeoPiglet_/status/1303555459320745985

 :salute

https://twitter.com/cleo_ackerman/status/1303543192256536576

https://twitter.com/CamoroLouise/status/1303563419778338817

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: shosta on September 09, 2020, 11:09:08 AM
All because some filipina had a rising sun tattoo :dead

Still, I support my people o7
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 09, 2020, 11:14:17 AM
Filipinos the ones who elected a blood thirsty dictator and love him?  I'm siding with the Koreans.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: shosta on September 09, 2020, 12:13:31 PM
If he's elected, he's not a dictator.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 09, 2020, 12:14:33 PM
Quote from: shosta on September 09, 2020, 12:13:31 PM
If he's elected, he's not a dictator.

Checkmate, liberals! #MAGA
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on September 09, 2020, 05:02:30 PM
Quote from: Stro on September 09, 2020, 04:44:35 PM
I imagine a world without a specific Filipino all the time
(https://i.imgur.com/E0gD4IS.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 09, 2020, 05:05:21 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54018795
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on September 10, 2020, 09:06:13 AM
https://twitter.com/Alroeya/status/1304007167264141312

big tire and oil fire near the port :(
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 10, 2020, 04:49:29 PM
https://globalnews.ca/news/7326893/bc-supreme-court-ruling-private-public-healthcare/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on September 10, 2020, 09:02:38 PM
https://twitter.com/BermudezWrites/status/1303890662094331904
https://twitter.com/katelinthicum/status/1303889216548601858
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on September 11, 2020, 10:58:13 PM
https://va.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_o6fi9aPdYA1rq6wqq.mp4

esch, tell your people to leave the jarawa's alone  :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: EchoRin on September 12, 2020, 12:08:22 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 10, 2020, 09:02:38 PM
*Mexican feminists helping women*

https://youtu.be/1POdS6m4paY
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 12, 2020, 02:34:42 PM
https://globalnews.ca/news/7330929/liberal-caucus-guaranteed-income/

Nothing will come from this I bet but its nice to see it in the agenda.  I thought UBI talk was kind of dying out the last few months compared to before CERB.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: VomKriege on September 15, 2020, 07:33:24 AM
Greece has issued an order for 18 Dassault Rafale fighter planes, 12 that will be secondhand from the French air force (to be replaced by newer models for France's inventory) to be supplied ASAP, and 6 brand new speculated to be the most recent mark with better long range missile capabilities.

Greece already has some Mirage 2000 so there's history there, but I would imagine buying French systems which are mostly proprietary AFAIK, and thus more opaque to the US / NATO / Turkey certainly was a consideration.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 15, 2020, 08:44:39 AM
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/beef-theft-brpoks-alberta-truck-fraud-suspect-meat-1.5723865
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 15, 2020, 02:13:48 PM
https://twitter.com/HananyaNaftali/status/1305922123253321734 (https://twitter.com/HananyaNaftali/status/1305922123253321734)

Noooo you and drumpf can't sign a peace treaty with the arabs :brazilcry

Hahaha Iron dome goes wooshj  :birb
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on September 16, 2020, 08:55:23 AM
Quote from: Nintex on September 15, 2020, 02:13:48 PM
https://twitter.com/HananyaNaftali/status/1305922123253321734 (https://twitter.com/HananyaNaftali/status/1305922123253321734)

Noooo you and drumpf can't sign a peace treaty with the arabs :brazilcry

Hahaha Iron dome goes wooshj  :birb

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/168450882466217984/755767205941084211/EiARXUgUcAA91Iu.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on September 16, 2020, 01:40:10 PM
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/168450882466217984/755767205941084211/EiARXUgUcAA91Iu.png)

I have Top Secret clearance, what do you have?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 19, 2020, 08:47:19 AM
https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1307289787842408448 (https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1307289787842408448)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 19, 2020, 07:10:59 PM
https://twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/1307308460443344907 (https://twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/1307308460443344907)

Quote
Those close to the Prime Minister have reportedly described him as having "misery etched on his face" as he attempts to steer the UK through a pandemic and Brexit negotiations.

And his friends allege that he now has money worries to add to his existing pressures, after he gave up his newspaper column with the Daily Telegraph, thought to be worth Ł275,000, plus lucrative fees for speaking arrangements for his PM's salary of Ł150,000.
:trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 19, 2020, 07:11:49 PM
Depends if he wants a nanny he can fuck or not. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 22, 2020, 06:23:18 PM
https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/china-forces-500-000-tibetans-into-labour-camps-20200922-p55xyk.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on September 23, 2020, 02:22:39 PM
Iranian COD seems legit.

https://mobile.twitter.com/KhosroKalbasi/status/1308701994522152960
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 24, 2020, 12:26:03 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EisYWE1X0AEEYau?format=jpg)

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 24, 2020, 12:29:52 PM
Being nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize actually means nothing.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
As does actually winning the Nobel Peace Prize, of course.
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 24, 2020, 12:37:16 PM
As a former winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, suck my dick troll
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 24, 2020, 12:59:16 PM
Why isn't there a Nobel War Prize?

It's much harder to fight and win a war successfully than to sign some dumb paper and yell peace :idont
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 27, 2020, 07:44:39 AM
https://news.yahoo.com/justin-trudeau-world-in-crisis-172528524.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 27, 2020, 05:10:59 PM
Azerbaijan (backed by Erdogan) has started a war with Armenia (backed by Russia / Greece / Kim Kardashian)  :wut

https://twitter.com/KimKardashian/status/1310278059266904069 (https://twitter.com/KimKardashian/status/1310278059266904069)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 29, 2020, 04:40:17 PM
https://armenpress.am/eng/news/1029472.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 30, 2020, 04:47:28 AM
Quote from: Nintex on September 27, 2020, 05:10:59 PM
Azerbaijan (backed by Erdogan) has started a war with Armenia (backed by Russia / Greece / Kim Kardashian)  :wut

https://twitter.com/KimKardashian/status/1310278059266904069 (https://twitter.com/KimKardashian/status/1310278059266904069)

 :cenk
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 30, 2020, 09:12:27 AM
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/confidence-vote-covid-bill-1.5744222

Quote
Liberals survive confidence vote as COVID-19 aid bill passes unanimously

The bill replaces the now-defunct $500-per-week Canada emergency response benefit, which came to an end last weekend after helping almost nine million Canadians weather the impact of the pandemic.

In its place, workers impacted by the pandemic will have access to a more flexible and generous employment insurance regime and, for those who still don't qualify for EI, a new Canada recovery benefit. The bill also creates a new sick leave benefit and another new caregiver benefit for those forced to take time off work to care for a dependent because of the pandemic.

At the behest of the NDP, the government has increased the proposed new benefits to $500 per week from the originally proposed $400, ensuring no one receives less than they were getting under the CERB.

It has also expanded the eligibility criteria for the sick leave benefit so that it applies not just to individuals who contract COVID-19 but also to those with underlying health conditions or other illnesses, including the flu or the common cold, that makes them more susceptible to COVID-19.

In the end, Conservative MPs, who had protested loudly against fast-tracking of the bill and used procedural tactics to hold it up, voted for it. So did Bloc Québécois MPs, who had also opposed fast-tracking.


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 30, 2020, 09:31:25 AM
Must be nice to have a functioning federal government. :mjcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 30, 2020, 09:39:27 AM
It is.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 01, 2020, 03:54:29 PM
The war is still raging pretty heavily yet most media outlets seem to completely ignore it for some reason  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 01, 2020, 07:34:39 PM
This is turning into some Mad Max shit from Azerbaijan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSh5tm2Hmn0
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: VomKriege on October 01, 2020, 07:39:53 PM
Not feeling that new Rammstein single.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 01, 2020, 07:56:38 PM
The world would be in a better place if Azerbaijan and Armenia would just do a rap battle or singing contest to settle their border dispute.  :fbm

It's a very vintage reason for war tho
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 05, 2020, 05:54:51 PM
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1313234574248476673 (https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1313234574248476673)

doubt.png
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: MMaRsu on October 14, 2020, 03:23:59 PM
Ice Cube getting shit on cuz he doing some bs with Trump

https://mobile.twitter.com/2RawTooReal/status/1316451900645150725

Delicious
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 15, 2020, 09:17:14 AM
https://thebeaverton.com/2020/10/sask-premier-scott-moe-leaves-scene-after-colliding-with-debate/

:dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: VomKriege on October 15, 2020, 12:05:59 PM
Finland's PM had a suit with a deep V and it became a bit of a controversy over there.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Flannel Boy on October 15, 2020, 12:12:15 PM
Useless without pics.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: VomKriege on October 15, 2020, 12:14:56 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on October 15, 2020, 12:12:15 PM
Useless without pics.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8839655/Finlands-prime-minister-Sanna-Marin-criticised-wearing-blazer-plunging-neckline.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8839655/Finlands-prime-minister-Sanna-Marin-criticised-wearing-blazer-plunging-neckline.html)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on October 15, 2020, 12:16:57 PM
I would have posted :drool , but with filler likes being rare these days, what’s the point? :gloomy
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Flannel Boy on October 15, 2020, 12:21:17 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on October 15, 2020, 12:14:56 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on October 15, 2020, 12:12:15 PM
Useless without pics.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8839655/Finlands-prime-minister-Sanna-Marin-criticised-wearing-blazer-plunging-neckline.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8839655/Finlands-prime-minister-Sanna-Marin-criticised-wearing-blazer-plunging-neckline.html)

 ???
Damn Laestadians!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 15, 2020, 12:21:18 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on October 15, 2020, 12:16:57 PM
I would have posted :drool , but with filler likes being rare these days, what’s the point? :gloomy
It's the thought that counts
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on October 15, 2020, 12:38:57 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 15, 2020, 12:21:18 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on October 15, 2020, 12:16:57 PM
I would have posted :drool , but with filler likes being rare these days, what’s the point? :gloomy
It's the thot that counts

FTFY
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on October 15, 2020, 01:10:57 PM
based finns
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on October 16, 2020, 12:43:07 AM
 :shaq
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 17, 2020, 08:58:03 AM
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/lobster-facility-middle-west-pubnico-fire-1.5765665

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 17, 2020, 07:14:37 PM
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2020/10/nova-scotia-rcmp-claim-theyre-not-racist-since-they-cant-protect-white-people-either/

:dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on October 18, 2020, 02:44:50 AM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on October 17, 2020, 08:58:03 AM
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/lobster-facility-middle-west-pubnico-fire-1.5765665
:wankdad
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 18, 2020, 07:28:20 AM
Let's play a game

You need 75+1 seats to form a majority
The 1st column is the previous election result, 3rd column is the current poll result, last column is the difference between the latest poll and the 2017 elections.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkmuOh8XgAILOI6?format=jpg)

cheat sheet
Current government (center right)
VVD
D66
CDA
ChristenUnie

Right
VVD
FVD
PVV

Bible belt
SGP

Center right
CDA
ChristenUnie

Center left
D66 (most pro EU)
PvdA

Left Greens
GroenLinks

Maoist/Communist
SP

AKP/Erdogan
Denk

People aged 50 and up
50PLUS

Animals
Partij van de Dieren (Animal Party)

Other
Overige Partijen (other parties, such as 'JESUS IS ALIVE', Republican Party and Libertarian Party)

[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on October 19, 2020, 12:18:02 PM
Looks like Bolivia elected MAS again. So much for that coup :lol.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/10/19/bolivia-latin-america-socialist-president-arce-morales/

Quote
Bolivia Has a Socialist President—Again.
Exit polls show that Evo Morales’s successor, Luis Arce, is on track for a convincing first-round victory.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 19, 2020, 03:09:22 PM
Now how is Elon gonna get all that sweet lithium? :mjcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on October 19, 2020, 04:16:24 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/fSBgC6n.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on October 20, 2020, 02:10:37 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/EzRpdaY.jpg)

 :maduro
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on October 20, 2020, 02:36:30 PM
if blacks and natives were the majority of the population here, we might have some socialism too  :thinking

until that happens  :trumps :biden
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HardcoreRetro on October 23, 2020, 02:44:33 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 18, 2020, 07:28:20 AM
Let's play a game

You need 75+1 seats to form a majority
The 1st column is the previous election result, 3rd column is the current poll result, last column is the difference between the latest poll and the 2017 elections.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkmuOh8XgAILOI6?format=jpg)

cheat sheet
Current government (center right)
VVD
D66
CDA
ChristenUnie

Right
VVD
FVD
PVV

Bible belt
SGP

Center right
CDA
ChristenUnie

Center left
D66 (most pro EU)
PvdA

Left Greens
GroenLinks

Maoist/Communist
SP

AKP/Erdogan
Denk

People aged 50 and up
50PLUS

Animals
Partij van de Dieren (Animal Party)

Other
Overige Partijen (other parties, such as 'JESUS IS ALIVE', Republican Party and Libertarian Party)

[close]

They'll probably add PvdA.

FVD and PVV are probably considered alt-right. Think PVV is pretty leftist on anything besides their stance on immigration. FVD seems to be the party for the conspiracy nutters.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 24, 2020, 09:34:31 AM
Not sure if the PvdA would join another VVD government.
All the previous attempts ended in their party getting decimated and the VVD cucking them.
For that reason the VVD would rather include GroenLinks so they can destroy them as well.

It'll be difficult with parties ruling each other out.
I also can't see Wilders joining a VVD cabinet unless he has more or about an equal number of seats.

CDA will probably collapse further if they don't replace Hugo with another party leader.
D66 will be absolutely decimated if voters return to the PvdA and move to GroenLinks / FVD.
 
Also if the revolt within the ranks of the FVD continues and the party imploded before the election a number of those seats could also return to Wilders.
PVV's focus on healthcare now puts them at an advantage over the FVD COVID deniers I feel.
While before the pandemic the economic message of the FVD had more support.
The FVD torpedoed themselves by letting in the conspiracy nuts which is why movement from VVD -> FVD has stopped.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 26, 2020, 12:59:09 PM
https://twitter.com/trtworld/status/1320399628852973572 (https://twitter.com/trtworld/status/1320399628852973572)

https://twitter.com/MinPres/status/1320690440941772803 (https://twitter.com/MinPres/status/1320690440941772803)

https://twitter.com/geertwilderspvv/status/1320767356705136641 (https://twitter.com/geertwilderspvv/status/1320767356705136641)

 :pacspit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HardcoreRetro on October 29, 2020, 05:42:12 AM
Seems like there was another person decapitated in France.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/29/knife-attack-reported-near-church-nice-one-dead/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/29/knife-attack-reported-near-church-nice-one-dead/)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 29, 2020, 08:11:57 AM
At least they've studied French culture and history :idont
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: samir on October 29, 2020, 08:23:01 AM
Religion of peace  :banplz
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 29, 2020, 10:00:40 AM
Just dump in the Med and let him swim back
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on October 29, 2020, 10:12:42 AM
Quote
A witness called David, who runs the Brioche Chaude restaurant, opposite the church, told BFMTV he had alerted the police.

“I was selling croissants when a man came in and said to me: ‘Sir, there’s a decapitated woman in the cathedral.’

I didn’t believe him at first but he repeated it. I went to the cathedral and saw the municipal police and called to them. They came quickly.

“I went back [to the restaurant] and pulled down the security grille.”

He added: “The person who came in [to the restaurant] was someone who had been in the cathedral who was very shocked. He just said: ‘Sir, there is a woman decapitated in the cathedral.’ That’s all. I was shocked. I’m still shaking.”

Feel bad for laughing at bold.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 29, 2020, 10:44:43 AM
I read that as a Donald Trump 'sir story' the resemblance is uncanny :dead

Fuck it, the planet might end in a week anyway

spoiler (click to show/hide)
This guy... real beautiful guy with big shoulders... he came up to me from the bakery and he said "SIR" he said "SIR, there is a decapitated woman in the Cathedral"
And I said WHAT? "Sir, it's real sir" he said. I said are you sure it is a woman? "Yes sir, 100%" . I mean how can you tell without the head right? Hehe
And the cathredal so you know it's modest like our first lady... they call it modest. She's probably watching so I better be nice to her right?

He said to me "I was selling these croissants" they call them croissants, you know. And then he said "SIR I called the police". The great French police and they came so fast to that tremendous cathredal you wouldn't believe.
Like if Joe was sleeping all the way in Delaware he would be awake, they came so fast. They have law and order, they have these great... they call them the Gent army, right? With these blue suits and those funny little hats
Not like our hats but you know different hats and just incredible arms and oh they come so fast.

Boy let me tell ya, if the police came so fast even I would be shaking, can you imagine the police coming so fast
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 29, 2020, 11:44:55 AM
lol jeremy corbyn has been suspended by labour cuz he said the antisemitism kerfuffle was overblown :maduro
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on October 29, 2020, 12:01:03 PM
 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on October 29, 2020, 12:26:23 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 29, 2020, 10:44:43 AM
I read that as a Donald Trump 'sir story' the resemblance is uncanny :dead

Fuck it, the planet might end in a week anyway

spoiler (click to show/hide)
This guy... real beautiful guy with big shoulders... he came up to me from the bakery and he said "SIR" he said "SIR, there is a decapitated woman in the Cathedral"
And I said WHAT? "Sir, it's real sir" he said. I said are you sure it is a woman? "Yes sir, 100%" . I mean how can you tell without the head right? Hehe
And the cathredal so you know it's modest like our first lady... they call it modest. She's probably watching so I better be nice to her right?

He said to me "I was selling these croissants" they call them croissants, you know. And then he said "SIR I called the police". The great French police and they came so fast to that tremendous cathredal you wouldn't believe.
Like if Joe was sleeping all the way in Delaware he would be awake, they came so fast. They have law and order, they have these great... they call them the Gent army, right? With these blue suits and those funny little hats
Not like our hats but you know different hats and just incredible arms and oh they come so fast.

Boy let me tell ya, if the police came so fast even I would be shaking, can you imagine the police coming so fast
[close]

This is art  :preach
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 31, 2020, 01:01:42 PM
https://twitter.com/jameskmcauley/status/1322476613926293504 (https://twitter.com/jameskmcauley/status/1322476613926293504)

 :snob

Meanwhile another terror attack

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1322575516399001607 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1322575516399001607)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 31, 2020, 01:23:50 PM
American multiculturalism?  :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on October 31, 2020, 01:42:21 PM
This is the same American multiculturalism that publicly denounced Salman Rushdie for "blasphemy" after his assassination was ordered by a high-ranking religious extremist of a foreign country.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 02, 2020, 03:02:36 PM
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1323348213097730050 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1323348213097730050)

Terrorism is back!  :rash
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on November 02, 2020, 03:16:24 PM
phillipines  :(
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on November 02, 2020, 03:18:39 PM
Quote from: Nintex on November 02, 2020, 03:02:36 PM
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1323348213097730050 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1323348213097730050)

Terrorism is back!  :rash
:anhuld
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 02, 2020, 03:23:00 PM
at least 7 dead  :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 02, 2020, 03:28:12 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54783640

Quebec stabbing: Man charged over deadly Halloween sword attack
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 02, 2020, 11:24:12 PM
Quote from: Nintex on November 02, 2020, 03:02:36 PM
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1323348213097730050 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1323348213097730050)

Terrorism is back!  :rash

Lets not jump to conclusions who it is plz

Could be jews, christians, buddhists, nihilists, atheists, taoists, zoroastrians, hindus, sikhs

spoiler (click to show/hide)
its muslims
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 04, 2020, 12:25:07 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/03/canada-makes-plan-to-evacuate-its-citizens-from-hong-kong
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 04, 2020, 01:55:19 PM
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1324036889154867201 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1324036889154867201)

mommy theresa slapping boris around
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on November 04, 2020, 11:42:17 PM
https://twitter.com/Enlacalle_Pty/status/1324209151057240064
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 05, 2020, 02:16:18 PM
https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1324427009284517888 (https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1324427009284517888)

Milkshake duck!!!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on November 06, 2020, 01:34:55 AM
https://www.telesurenglish.net//news/Bolivias-President-Elect-Luis-Arce-Attacked-With-Dynamite-20201106-0001.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 06, 2020, 04:05:46 AM
Reports that Putin has parkinsons  :drudge

His Balerina gf has asked him to resign next year
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on November 06, 2020, 04:46:08 AM
:stahp

the world is gonna be run by wimps and simps in 2021
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 09, 2020, 06:49:32 PM
https://twitter.com/L0gg0l/status/1325948333945483264 (https://twitter.com/L0gg0l/status/1325948333945483264)

 :idont
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Boredfrom on November 09, 2020, 09:20:29 PM
Meanwhile at Mexico:

https://youtu.be/6hJyJx2GJ2M

Our goverment i supposed to be a leftist one.  :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on November 10, 2020, 10:41:59 PM
https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1326003410215202816

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 12, 2020, 11:53:29 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmnoAuSWMAAVUfo?format=jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 13, 2020, 04:00:23 PM
https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1327344853697564672 (https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1327344853697564672)

This is going well
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on November 14, 2020, 05:00:44 AM
Boris will be out by the summer :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 14, 2020, 06:12:44 AM
Quote from: Piss Benoit on November 14, 2020, 05:00:44 AM
Boris will be out by the summer :rejoice
A senior government official said:
"The hounds are on the bridge ready to maul the flesh from his bones after Gove shoots him in the legs. What's left will be for Larry to eat if he doesn't get a knife in his back from Theresa first or we hang him for treason."

"Are you saying the Prime Minister is in danger? Are these serious allegations?"

"Of course not my boy, we're just having another TORY LEADERSHIP CONTEST besides he will probably drink himself to death before we can fire the first shot"

"Isn't that dangerous, couldn't you lose the elections to Labour?"

"Those racist jew hating commie bastards won't make it past lunch after we've put their heads on pikes for her Majesty the Queen - we'll ship their bodies back to Beijing"

"Are you saying there will be arrests and killings?"

"No, no.. no we'll just have a go at the ballot box, I hear Dungbury is ready to come home after 400 years"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on November 15, 2020, 12:27:33 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/zUwivpI.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/1z40oq0.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 16, 2020, 02:38:53 PM
Orban vetoed the EU budget including the corona relief funds.
Because to receive the funds you have to adhere to democratic standards and the rule of law.
Hungary and Poland see this as political meddling.

https://twitter.com/CityAM/status/1328413280138911750 (https://twitter.com/CityAM/status/1328413280138911750)

I hope they don't budge, this would save us billions  :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Rufus on November 17, 2020, 07:12:35 AM
This includes Corona relieve funds, so I do hope they budge.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 17, 2020, 03:38:52 PM
Quote from: Rufus on November 17, 2020, 07:12:35 AM
This includes Corona relieve funds, so I do hope they budge.
As long as normies can buy $500 consoles and CPU's we ain't giving them any relief :pacspit

I hope Orban is dumb enough to leave the EU  8)  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on November 19, 2020, 10:57:58 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/c0pZ9i4.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on November 19, 2020, 11:11:59 AM
Quote from: filler on November 19, 2020, 10:57:58 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/c0pZ9i4.gif)

Shonda annihilated.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on November 19, 2020, 11:32:28 AM
 ;)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 19, 2020, 03:42:29 PM
Quote from: filler on November 19, 2020, 10:57:58 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/c0pZ9i4.gif)

Those two guys are dead now.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on November 19, 2020, 03:44:19 PM
shosti's uncles are fine, they're both singing karaoke and eating lumpia rn :heart

(https://i.imgur.com/aHxcz6G.jpg) :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on November 21, 2020, 12:36:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf92AkPGS9Q


 :gaas :auscry :piss2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 28, 2020, 01:02:52 PM
Our government is warning us that Rare characters will stop us at the border

(https://www.brexitloket.nl/binaries/widescreen/content/gallery/brexit-loket/attentie-afbeeldingen/brexit_f2_2020_rvo-header_truck_1920x480.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on December 03, 2020, 06:52:28 PM
https://twitter.com/banthebbc/status/1332092182040371201
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on December 04, 2020, 12:47:20 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/wLUckM2.png)

 :money

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/hungarian-politician-resigns-party-belgium-party-bust-74508980

 :cornette

Quote
“I ask them to evaluate my misstep on the background of 30 years of devoted and hard work. The misstep is strictly personal,
just one little misstep in 30 years  :heyman
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 05, 2020, 01:11:37 PM
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1335283526636331008 (https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1335283526636331008)

Oven ready brexit deal!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 07, 2020, 12:26:25 PM
New Dutch Brexit ad

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EooE3QAXEAAoHoT?format=jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on December 08, 2020, 12:34:10 PM
Brexit moment #153

Then

https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1174344280690831361


Now

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1336333265045635072


Oopsie daisy  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 08, 2020, 01:34:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jz1TjCphXE
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on December 09, 2020, 04:19:07 AM
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cv_tI-fOVzM/WLbbFNhnMxI/AAAAAAAAHjQ/NjFROJVEsW8QhK7Wc5vZnzXoLuRy6ASzQCLcB/s320/iP42wHz.gif)

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1336427887206010881
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on December 09, 2020, 07:40:46 AM
 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

https://twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1336409928894918661
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Tripon on December 09, 2020, 12:19:42 PM
I guess Get Brexit done also means getting it done in a pandemic.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 09, 2020, 12:22:47 PM
Quote
So WTF have we just burned Ł200bn on Brexit for?

Blue passports.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on December 11, 2020, 01:20:41 PM
https://twitter.com/imranahmadkhan/status/1337387171460812800

https://twitter.com/imranahmadkhan/status/1337387175151857665

 :crybaby :gbcry :crybaby
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 11, 2020, 02:22:18 PM
"Mr. Ripley"
"Mr. Prime Minister... Control.... they refused our phone call to parlay and I do indeed believe they are mobilizing border guards, I believe our worst fears have come true"
"Those Krauts are at it again eh? Bloody hell I thought we were passed this... the COVID must've infected their heads"
"Right you are sir. They had the jump on us twice we can't let that happen again"
"What are your orders sir?"
"The Queen is deeply insulted by the former Soviet Fraulein with the Milkers Mr. Ripley and we cannot let this stand. Remember the Falklands?"
"War sir or that bar in London?
"Of course I'm talking about the bloody war, pay attention you tit"
"I'm sorry sir, the Milkers must've distracted me. War would be brilliant sir, the Gerries will never expect us to start a war before they do"
"Splendid then it is settled the royal navy shall sail at 7. I will ask our Dutch friends for safe passage of our planes. Think of it not as a war but as a proper slap on the cheek"
"What about the French sir?"
"Oh not to worry, the French will have surrendered before the first bomb hits Berlin! The lads will be home by Christmas for tea and biscuits"
"Right you are sir!"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 11, 2020, 03:13:25 PM
Quote from: Raist on December 11, 2020, 01:20:41 PM
https://twitter.com/imranahmadkhan/status/1337387175151857665

:neogaf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 11, 2020, 07:12:00 PM
https://twitter.com/ZoraSuleman/status/1337543235560943616 (https://twitter.com/ZoraSuleman/status/1337543235560943616)

Where were you when the great fishery wars of 2020 began?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 12, 2020, 06:34:42 AM
Keep away from our fine, fantastic fish eurotrash :pacspit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 12, 2020, 06:49:53 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpB-c4mXEAADOGN?format=jpg) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpB-c4iWEAYXgxE?format=jpg)

:snob
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 20, 2020, 07:39:10 PM
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1340777349932003328 (https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1340777349932003328)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 21, 2020, 07:45:15 AM
(https://stumblingandmumbling.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451cbef69e2022ad3a53a96200d-pi)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eprc-KKWMAEVnkI?format=jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on December 21, 2020, 09:20:18 PM
How hard would it be to rejoin EU
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 21, 2020, 11:16:04 PM
Quote from: Transhuman on December 21, 2020, 09:20:18 PM
How hard would it be to rejoin EU

Just issue a retroactive surrender to Germany in WWII and get annexed.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on December 22, 2020, 03:51:08 AM
https://twitter.com/ABridgen/status/1340955140459802626


"We need to leave the undemocratic EU to take back control of our borders"


"France pls stop being nazis and reopen your borders RIGHT NAO"


 :sabu
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 22, 2020, 05:13:31 AM
Guess it'll be fish, eggs and pints for Christmas lads  :gbcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on December 22, 2020, 06:18:40 AM
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1341324615377969154
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 22, 2020, 06:18:54 AM
Will do for me :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 22, 2020, 06:27:39 AM
https://twitter.com/TomBoadle/status/1341315191930318848 (https://twitter.com/TomBoadle/status/1341315191930318848)

Looks like they are in full control  :sicko
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 22, 2020, 06:53:17 AM
In other news our government might resign today over a huge childcare benefits scandal.
Apparently they labeled poor people as frauds who were entitled to such benefits and then prosecuted them so they went bankrupt and got evicted.
Pressuring judges to hand out such orders and making sure that appeals went nowhere. As the debate about this scandal aired one of the victims received 46 fines in the mail for overdue payments.

Afterwards they tried to cover it up, stonewalled internal investigations and government workers lied under oath to investigators.

Our prime minister says his first focus is to compensate the families (which he promised to do as early as March this year before additional investigations showed this was all done deliberately by high level government officials to 'punish' these people for an offense they didn't commit). Involved are Prime Minister Mark Rutte, Treasury secretary (and leader of the Christian Democrats as of last week Wopke Hoekstra) and the former social services secretary and now Labour leader Lodewijk Asscher.

With only 3 months before the general elections this scandal could mean the end of Rutte's 10 year reign. The opposition wants him out but they're also keenly aware that their own parties have their skeletons to deal with not to mention COVID-19 has given the government additional powers to enact measures without parliamentary votes. It is unclear if those powers would still be in effect if the cabinet is 'decommisioned' and simply taking care of business until the next elections in March.
The only party not in complete disarray right now is Geert Wilders' PVV.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Mr Gilhaney on December 22, 2020, 07:07:26 AM
Our state minister, is refusing to take kids (as in actual kids, not like 17 year olds who travelled there) back from Syria who are Danish nationals, even if they are in camps there because their parents or father or whatever went there to fight. She is a truly disgusting cunt, and even marketed herself as 'the kids prime minster' a few times xd. On top of that, she is stubborn and keeping this guy as a minister for foreign affairs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeppe_Kofod#Sex_scandal_with_a_minor
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on December 22, 2020, 07:12:22 AM
Quote from: Mr Gilhaney on December 22, 2020, 07:07:26 AM
Our state minister, is refusing to take kids (as in actual kids, not like 17 year olds who travelled there) back from Syria who are Danish nationals, even if they are in camps there because their parents or father or whatever went there to fight. She is a truly disgusting cunt, and even marketed herself as 'the kids prime minster' a few times xd. On top of that, she is stubborn and keeping this guy as a minister for foreign affairs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeppe_Kofod#Sex_scandal_with_a_minor

My outrage is dependent on how hot she is.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 22, 2020, 07:25:24 AM
If Gilhaney thinks shes disgusting i'm picturing some jabba the hut looking vile biaaaatch :hhh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 22, 2020, 07:25:59 AM
Russia has a new meme.


me: *tell my friend a secret and ask him not to disclose this to anyone*

my friend after 5 minutes:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ep1vkuCXUAEgAZH?format=jpg)

Navalny called this member of the FSB suspecting he was the one who poisoned him considering he was seen around the hospital and airport and is officially a poison expert of sorts.
Navalny pretended to be a member of the security council. Surely enough the guy talked under the pressure and told Navalny he put the poison in Navalny's underwear  :doge
Also Navalny was supposed to have died on the plane but he didn't because the plane landed too quickly. So the FSB guy went to the hospital to try again and clean up the evidence but there was too much attention.
He admitted this all on the phone to Navalny (who acted as a member of the security council).

So now there's memes, lots of them. "Putin makes his bodyguards wear his underwear to make sure they're not poisoned"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 22, 2020, 10:28:08 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-55368524

Quote
Karima Baloch: Pakistani rights activist found dead in Toronto
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Mr Gilhaney on December 22, 2020, 11:42:10 AM
Quote from: Piss Benoit on December 22, 2020, 07:25:24 AM
If Gilhaney thinks shes disgusting i'm picturing some jabba the hut looking vile biaaaatch :hhh


Are we talking about the 15 year old or our prime minister? Cause no photos of the 15 year old I'm afraid, James.


(https://i.imgur.com/kjjOwhw.png)


Ew. Our old prime minister though had Michele malding

(https://i.imgur.com/EotubGj.jpg)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 22, 2020, 11:53:38 AM
Quote from: Mr Gilhaney on December 22, 2020, 11:42:10 AM
Quote from: Piss Benoit on December 22, 2020, 07:25:24 AM
If Gilhaney thinks shes disgusting i'm picturing some jabba the hut looking vile biaaaatch :hhh


Are we talking about the 15 year old or our prime minister? Cause no photos of the 15 year old I'm afraid, James.


(https://i.imgur.com/kjjOwhw.png)


Ew. Our old prime minister though had Michele malding

(https://i.imgur.com/EotubGj.jpg)
Your new PM looks like a hag the old PM was fine :obama
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on December 24, 2020, 05:52:52 AM
Chief Mouser entertaining the journalists freezing their balls off while waiting for the Brexit deal announcement :lol

https://twitter.com/latikambourke/status/1342049956576833536
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 24, 2020, 06:16:43 AM
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1342056716188442627 (https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1342056716188442627)

They took back control of their FISH!  :clap
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 28, 2020, 01:09:20 PM
Choose your fighter

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1343569987592744962 (https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1343569987592744962)

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1343468734933917696 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1343468734933917696)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on December 30, 2020, 12:01:05 AM
https://twitter.com/nocontextpolarg/status/1344122355015184384
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on December 30, 2020, 02:51:34 PM
https://twitter.com/Progrockfarmer/status/1344306839589179394
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 30, 2020, 03:58:16 PM
Out just in time to avoid chi-com tyranny :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 30, 2020, 06:19:44 PM
The agreement seems better than the situation today as far as trade is concerned. Currently China can basically do whatever the fuck they want in countries like Greece within existing outdated treaties and EU corpo's can't do business there.
But other than that there isn't much that stops China from cheating, stealing and violating human rights on a massive scale.

Anyway the Germans are happy they can sell cars that don't break and other high quality goods more easily to Chinese consumers now.

Macron looks like he entered the wrong zoom chat lol.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqfTwG3WMAYpJru?format=jpg)
[close]
Anyhow it's really a German led EU now because this deal only happened because Merkel wanted it to but unlike Juncker it looks like Ursula is sober most of the time and mostly getting things done so that's an improvement at least.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 31, 2020, 03:14:31 AM
The unelected EU allied with communist China :stahp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on December 31, 2020, 03:16:51 AM
:juche  :piss  :gbcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on January 02, 2021, 11:58:24 PM
https://twitter.com/AuroraIntel/status/1345119682261610503

https://twitter.com/RashaAlAqeedi/status/1345591201421000704


 :tocry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on January 03, 2021, 01:31:15 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/Jake_Hanrahan/status/1345480983747981312
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 03, 2021, 07:15:02 AM
https://twitter.com/HeshmatAlavi/status/1345323067581595649 (https://twitter.com/HeshmatAlavi/status/1345323067581595649)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on January 03, 2021, 07:22:44 AM
PS2 CG is lit  :gladbron
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 03, 2021, 07:30:00 PM
GTA6 looking pretty good!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on January 05, 2021, 05:11:18 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55543665

Quote
Why is Sainsbury's selling Spar products?

If you have been into a Sainsbury's in Northern Ireland in recent days you may have seen something unusual.

Spar branded products on the shelves.

Sainsbury's has not taken over the convenience retailer or vice versa.

Instead what you are seeing is a contingency plan for the new Irish Sea border.

On 31 December, England, Scotland and Wales left the EU's single market for goods but NI did not.

This created a new trade and regulatory border between NI and the rest of the UK.

It means that food products entering NI from GB must undergo a range of time consuming new processes such as the creation of export health certificates and checks at new border posts.

In response, supermarkets have been looking at ways to source more products in Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.

For Sainsbury's that has meant signing a contract with Henderson Group, one of Northern Ireland's biggest food wholesalers which sells to retailers and caterers.

But the retailers they supply are almost exclusively a network of 450 Spar and Vivo stores across NI.

That is why some of the products they are providing to Sainsbury's have Spar branding.

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on January 05, 2021, 05:11:23 PM
https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1346559959647965184
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 05, 2021, 05:53:51 PM
Save us, King!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 06, 2021, 10:47:18 AM
tfw North Korea has more sane and grounded leadership than the US of A  :doge

https://twitter.com/BBCLBicker/status/1346708260573728768 (https://twitter.com/BBCLBicker/status/1346708260573728768)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 07, 2021, 03:55:54 PM
https://twitter.com/ChineseEmbinUS/status/1347247602094534658

China don't care.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 07, 2021, 04:02:25 PM
Can't be a baby making machine if they sterilize you. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on January 07, 2021, 04:06:42 PM
 ::)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: OnlyRegret on January 07, 2021, 05:29:49 PM
"process of eradicating extremism"
"minds... emancipated"
"making them no longer baby-making machines"

can you get any creepier
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 09, 2021, 10:59:49 AM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on January 07, 2021, 03:55:54 PM
https://twitter.com/ChineseEmbinUS/status/1347247602094534658

China don't care.
Twitter censored the tweet


Another Trump alt?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on January 10, 2021, 05:04:45 PM
The fact that Twitter removed the Chinese Embassy tweet is far more concerning than any action they took against Trump.

Are they going to do this for all foreign government accounts now that might not agree with the accepted version of the truth? Who is deciding that truth? The US media is incapable of agreeing what the truth is domestically, let alone internationally, and if it is the US government who is deciding what's "the truth" then we all know how that turns out.

What about all the RT tweets that spout Russian state propaganda? What about all the Chinese state controlled media/propaganda accounts?

What's the reasoning behind removing the embassy tweet? Is it just because enough people complained about it? That's a slippery slope and not a policy that Twitter is capable of applying universally.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 10, 2021, 06:24:22 PM
Quote from: Potato on January 10, 2021, 05:04:45 PM
The fact that Twitter removed the Chinese Embassy tweet is far more concerning than any action they took against Trump.

Are they going to do this for all foreign government accounts now that might not agree with the accepted version of the truth? Who is deciding that truth? The US media is incapable of agreeing what the truth is domestically, let alone internationally, and if it is the US government who is deciding what's "the truth" then we all know how that turns out.

What about all the RT tweets that spout Russian state propaganda? What about all the Chinese state controlled media/propaganda accounts?

What's the reasoning behind removing the embassy tweet? Is it just because enough people complained about it? That's a slippery slope and not a policy that Twitter is capable of applying universally.
I think it has to do with the "making them no longer baby-making machines" bit.
Which seems to go against Twitter's policy. They censored the Ayatollah for the first time as well this week.
The Ayatollah posted an anti-vaxx tweet saying the EU and US vaccines were created to infect the world.

Lots of firsts.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on January 11, 2021, 02:20:31 PM
https://twitter.com/EngelsFreddie/status/1348701605575745540
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 11, 2021, 06:23:52 PM
https://twitter.com/zarahsultana/status/1348744777253199874 (https://twitter.com/zarahsultana/status/1348744777253199874)

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on January 12, 2021, 02:57:30 AM
https://twitter.com/OwenAdamsYT1/status/1348256421331275776

Dutch directness  8)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on January 12, 2021, 07:10:20 AM
Quote from: Nintex on January 11, 2021, 06:23:52 PM
https://twitter.com/zarahsultana/status/1348744777253199874 (https://twitter.com/zarahsultana/status/1348744777253199874)

 :doge

some cunt is making Ł25 profit off that :pacspit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 12, 2021, 01:24:23 PM
Quote from: who is ted danson? on January 12, 2021, 02:57:30 AM
https://twitter.com/OwenAdamsYT1/status/1348256421331275776

Dutch directness  8)
Welcome to the Brexit sir :neogaf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on January 13, 2021, 03:41:48 PM
https://twitter.com/LochfyneLangous/status/1349381418804195328



Meanwhile, in Westminster.



https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1349410506461818882

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 13, 2021, 04:03:35 PM
:dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 13, 2021, 04:18:15 PM
oops
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on January 13, 2021, 05:19:44 PM
"the local nativity trail" :cac
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on January 13, 2021, 05:46:50 PM
At this point, why would the EU want Scotland? They've proved themselves multiple times to be the least competent part of the UK...and that takes some really, really serious incompetence.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 14, 2021, 02:24:49 PM
Quote from: Potato on January 13, 2021, 05:46:50 PM
At this point, why would the EU want Scotland? They've proved themselves multiple times to be the least competent part of the UK...and that takes some really, really serious incompetence.
A small price to pay to mess with the UK :snob
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on January 14, 2021, 06:26:00 PM
Quote from: Nintex on January 14, 2021, 02:24:49 PM
Quote from: Potato on January 13, 2021, 05:46:50 PM
At this point, why would the EU want Scotland? They've proved themselves multiple times to be the least competent part of the UK...and that takes some really, really serious incompetence.
A small price to pay to mess with the UK :snob
No one does vindictive like the euros.

Fine, take Scotland, I too love to watch the English suffer.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 14, 2021, 07:52:25 PM
https://twitter.com/ElectsWorld/status/1349827988913877002 (https://twitter.com/ElectsWorld/status/1349827988913877002)

That's one down :pacspit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on January 15, 2021, 02:23:08 AM
Nintex, how many marmite sandwiches have you confiscated so far?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on January 15, 2021, 04:13:46 AM
https://twitter.com/Ed_Miliband/status/1349832567508369409

:pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 15, 2021, 04:46:28 AM
(https://www.brugesgroup.com/images/easyblog_articles/792/Blue-Collar-Boris.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 15, 2021, 12:07:10 PM
https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1350097245316767746 (https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1350097245316767746)

GTFO racist thugs :pacspit

Quote
As many as 26,000 parents were wrongly accused by the Dutch tax authorities of fraudulently claiming child allowance over several years from 2012, with as many as 10,000 families forced to repay tens of thousands of euros, in some cases leading to unemployment, bankruptcies and divorces.

The tax authority admitted last year that at least 11,000 were singled out for special scrutiny because of their ethnic origin or dual nationality, fuelling longstanding allegations of systemic racism in the Netherlands.

Orlando Kadir, an attorney representing about 600 families, said people had been targeted “as a result of ethnic profiling by bureaucrats who picked out their foreign-looking names”. The government has apologised for the tax office’s methods and set aside more than €500m (Ł450m) in compensation, about €30,000 for each family.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on January 16, 2021, 09:08:18 AM
Why don't the truck drivers just eat the sandwiches all at once before the guy can snatch them away?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on January 16, 2021, 02:45:45 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-55660592


Quote
A pigeon that travelled across the Pacific Ocean is to be put down after running afoul of Australia's strict quarantine rules.

The bird reportedly went missing during a race in the US state of Oregon in late October, before turning up in Melbourne almost two months later.

But officials say the pigeon, which has been named Joe, poses a "direct biosecurity risk"

(https://i.imgur.com/BbwbJT8.jpg) :-\
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on January 16, 2021, 03:05:11 PM
:gun  :birb
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on January 16, 2021, 03:07:39 PM
they treat our birbs like they treat their aboriginals  :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on January 16, 2021, 03:14:34 PM
You never know what the pigeon will catch in Melbourne and possibly take back to the US...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 16, 2021, 03:21:38 PM
The first Joe to be arrested and executed.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on January 16, 2021, 08:56:58 PM
ausbois afraid of the 5G birds  :tinfoil
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 17, 2021, 01:20:02 PM
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1350868363791241221 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1350868363791241221)
Navalny returned to Moscow today and was immediately arrested.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on January 17, 2021, 03:16:28 PM
Nothing to see here, just Russian democracy taking it's natural course.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on January 21, 2021, 02:33:20 PM
It's a shitshow, do something?"

":no1curr"

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1352198744574451714
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on January 21, 2021, 05:45:33 PM
More brexit dividends. Thanks bozza  :rejoice

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1352382956241879041
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 23, 2021, 06:19:57 AM
The Russian state seems surprisingly understaffed, the effect of COVID?  :thinking

https://twitter.com/MBKhMedia/status/1352928691391766528 (https://twitter.com/MBKhMedia/status/1352928691391766528)
https://twitter.com/MBKhMedia/status/1352936570211491844 (https://twitter.com/MBKhMedia/status/1352936570211491844)
https://twitter.com/MBKhMedia/status/1352922075439230976 (https://twitter.com/MBKhMedia/status/1352922075439230976)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 23, 2021, 11:46:09 AM
Yeah, looks like someone has trouble paying their police forces.

https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1352993359116312576 (https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1352993359116312576)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on January 25, 2021, 01:15:14 AM
https://twitter.com/paykhar/status/1353384121477816331


the dutch are wholesome rioters  :heart
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: MMaRsu on January 25, 2021, 03:56:44 PM
Yeh whole cunts

https://twitter.com/pasvugts/status/1353800431714115584

https://twitter.com/pasvugts/status/1353802640459706369

https://twitter.com/pasvugts/status/1353804754271535104

https://twitter.com/pasvugts/status/1353805800586805249

And here I am making sure im inside before 9 o clock for this fucking evening clock, these cunts can run rampant through the streets and shoplift with no police in sight
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on January 25, 2021, 04:01:08 PM
Quote
Chinese President Xi Jinping has called for "an open world economy" in an address to the World Economic Forum, saying that excellence rather than "wrestling" should be driving global prosperity.

In a virtual gathering instead of the annual in-person meetings at the Switzerland ski resort of Davos, Mr Xi urged nations to remove all barriers to trade.

"We should build an open world economy … discard discriminatory and exclusionary standards, rules and systems, and take down barriers to trade, investment and technological exchanges," Mr Xi said in a 25-minute speech.

"We should advocate fair competition, like competing with each other for excellence in a racing field, not beating each other on a wrestling arena.

"To engage in cliques, a new Cold War, exclusion, threats and intimidation against others, to warn of decoupling, cutting off supplies, sanctions at every turn … can only drive the world to division and even conflict.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-26/xi-jinping-calls-for-open-world-econony-coronavirus-fight-davos/13090730

Fucking ironic coming from this guy. China has been implementing tariffs and trade bans on Australian goods for the past 12 months in retaliation for Australia backing calls for an independent WHO investigation into the origins of COVID-19.

And for him to speak about threats and intimidation with a straight face? What a cunt.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 26, 2021, 11:15:58 AM
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/mps-agree-to-call-on-feds-to-declare-proud-boys-a-terrorist-entity-1.5281428
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: headwalk on January 26, 2021, 12:16:27 PM
jonny forener moaning on about exports while begging for our vaxines proper proud day for britain

-big kev
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 26, 2021, 01:22:18 PM
Quote
Mr Xi urged nations to remove all barriers to trade.
Please buy our cheap poisoned shit made by slave labour you sick and dying consoomers :success
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on January 28, 2021, 03:46:44 AM
https://va.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_qnlegv65xr1qigfjt.mp4
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on January 28, 2021, 12:20:27 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55829578


Quote
The prime minister said: "I think endless talk about a referendum without any clear description of what the constitutional situation would be after that referendum is completely irrelevant now to the concerns of most people".

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: SmokyDave on January 29, 2021, 05:45:25 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55752541 - "My model car cost Ł12 more".

I collect scale models, specifically older models made by French craftsmen. Brexit is fucking killing me. I'm glad the BBC are looking into the real victims here. Me and that guy :(
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on January 29, 2021, 06:14:39 AM
Remind me again how the British Empire was able to rule half the world when the 2021 version would struggle to tie its own shoes?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: SmokyDave on January 29, 2021, 06:24:29 AM
Quote from: Potato on January 29, 2021, 06:14:39 AM
Remind me again how the British Empire was able to rule half the world when the 2021 version would struggle to tie its own shoes?
We're not allowed to properly exercise our appetite for oppression any longer, so we have to turn it inward :(
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 29, 2021, 06:44:08 AM
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/11A4F/production/_116617227_img_2550-002.jpg)

Brexit 2021, colorized
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: SmokyDave on January 29, 2021, 06:53:01 AM
That dude is buying from ckmodels.de, I guarantee it. If he thinks buying mass produced 1/18ths is hard, he should step into my world. Nobody is being hit harder by Brexit than me, it's a wonder I can get out of bed in the morning.

(To be honest, I suspect Brexit might cost me my job this year, but given that we're in the midst of the apocalypse, I'm not terribly bothered).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on January 29, 2021, 01:51:31 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-55851052

WWIII
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 29, 2021, 02:13:03 PM
Quote from: Transhuman on January 29, 2021, 01:51:31 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-55851052

WWIII

~ The History of the Modern World ~

Events leading up to WWIII

- Brexit
- COVID-19 pandemic
- The 2020 US Presidential Election
- GameStop to the Moon
- Dogecoin

 :wut
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 31, 2021, 11:03:18 AM
Holy fuck

https://twitter.com/tjournal/status/1355845959956246528 (https://twitter.com/tjournal/status/1355845959956246528)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on January 31, 2021, 01:55:16 PM
Whether it's Russia or Anerica or elsewhere,whenever I see how many police officers/soldiers are willing to attack unarmed protesters if given the go ahead, it makes me no longer want to be alive.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on January 31, 2021, 02:44:56 PM
Quote from: SmokyDave on January 29, 2021, 05:45:25 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55752541 - "My model car cost Ł12 more".

I collect scale models, specifically older models made by French craftsmen. Brexit is fucking killing me. I'm glad the BBC are looking into the real victims here. Me and that guy :(

I've begun noticing duty fees with anything ordered from the UK.

Bye bye UK shops.  :(

spoiler (click to show/hide)
German/French/Irish shops, I am sorry I have not dealt with you often enough but I am ready for a new commitment.  :)
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 01, 2021, 02:03:46 PM
https://twitter.com/MEDotmonitor/status/1356267709554511875 (https://twitter.com/MEDotmonitor/status/1356267709554511875)

 :idont
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 01, 2021, 04:32:04 PM
https://twitter.com/ItsShubhangi/status/1356324446135611393 (https://twitter.com/ItsShubhangi/status/1356324446135611393)

 :rimshot
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 03, 2021, 03:29:07 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtPN8kHWgAEIlXI?format=jpg)

Things must be dire if the guard has to fill in as a judge to save costs.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on February 03, 2021, 04:06:43 PM
Someone replace Putin with filler’s avatar please.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 03, 2021, 05:37:02 PM
Why not dream bigger?

Fillerovski
(https://abload.de/img/fillerahkp5.jpg)

Vladimirovich Gilhaney
(https://abload.de/img/gilhaneyv4jwx.jpg)

Che Shosta
(https://abload.de/img/shostx2kup.jpg)

El Presidente Nin Tex
(https://abload.de/img/nintexz7j28.jpg)

My picture fits too well, it's like I've discovered an alternative timeline or something  :dizzy
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on February 03, 2021, 05:37:48 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on February 04, 2021, 05:26:05 AM
I want the avatar though  :hmph
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on February 04, 2021, 01:06:56 PM
Welcome to the fookin UK m8  :gbcry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgGmYeAm0jk

Edit: This channel has a load of them, including the full cut of this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpYfSnSHHug
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 04, 2021, 03:12:25 PM
https://twitter.com/janinemas0n/status/1357371421442396162 (https://twitter.com/janinemas0n/status/1357371421442396162)

The short clip of insanity  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 09, 2021, 07:37:50 PM
Quote
Maori MP ejected from NZ parliament for refusing to wear tie

A leader of the Maori Party has been ejected from the New Zealand parliament for not wearing a tie.

Male MPs can only ask questions in the debating chamber if wearing a tie. Speaker Trevor Mallard twice prevented Rawiri Waititi from asking questions.

"It's not about ties, it's about cultural identity mate," Mr Waititi said while exiting the chamber, local media reported.

He has called ties "a colonial noose" and wore a greenstone pendant instead.

After being stopped for a second time, Mr Waititi continued with his question until Mr Mallard ordered him to leave the chamber.

Mr Waititi called Mr Mallard's treatment of him "unconscionable", adding that he was wearing "Maori business attire".

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-55996688 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-55996688)

Jacinda the colonial oppressivist, keeping the Maori man down!!

As someone who hates wearing a tie, good on him. I love the Maori business attire quip too. It's the parliamentary equivalent of a shitpost.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on February 09, 2021, 08:16:29 PM
Not just a racist policy but misandrist too
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on February 11, 2021, 02:43:36 PM
Another huge Brexit win :lawd


https://twitter.com/FT/status/1359608957912948744
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 11, 2021, 04:20:22 PM
Quote from: Raist on February 11, 2021, 02:43:36 PM
Another huge Brexit win :lawd


https://twitter.com/FT/status/1359608957912948744
Why do you think the Dutch pushed this so hard?  :success
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 11, 2021, 04:37:56 PM
Maori MP Rawiri Waititi wins battle against rule requiring a tie to be worn in NZ Parliament

A Maori MP has won his battle against wearing a tie in the New Zealand Parliament, ending a longstanding dress requirement that he describes as a "colonial noose".

(https://www.abc.net.au/cm/rimage/13139338-3x2-large.png?v=2)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-11/nz-politician-wins-battle-against-wearing-tie-in-parliament/13146388 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-11/nz-politician-wins-battle-against-wearing-tie-in-parliament/13146388)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 12, 2021, 02:32:50 PM
https://twitter.com/alfonslopeztena/status/1360283518195146756 (https://twitter.com/alfonslopeztena/status/1360283518195146756)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Don Rumata on February 12, 2021, 05:09:17 PM
Brunetta, Gelmini and Carfagna back in government...  :neogaf
The nightmare of this country never ends.
Look forward to seeing those 200 billions disappear into thin air.

EDIT: Cursory look, but seems like at least it's not too crucial ministries.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 12, 2021, 05:27:39 PM
Lot of headlines like: "How will Mario Draghi save Italy?"

Lot of comments like
"BRRRRRRRRRRRR"

"With our money"

:heh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Don Rumata on February 12, 2021, 07:25:52 PM
I still have a little bit of hope left.  :goty2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 13, 2021, 02:57:17 PM
Quote from: Don Rumata on February 12, 2021, 07:25:52 PM
I still have a little bit of hope left.  :goty2
For Italy it's going to work out fine having a banker instead of Salvini. Draghi as former ECB head will be trusted with more EU money.
Just nothing that will change anything in the long run because otherwise Silvio and the rest wouldn't have signed up for this.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on February 14, 2021, 06:30:17 PM
https://twitter.com/geopolytica/status/1360760714290462723


 ;)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 15, 2021, 01:23:51 PM
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1361379749801639940 (https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1361379749801639940)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 15, 2021, 07:12:50 PM
https://twitter.com/KatieBoWill/status/1361438190234718211 (https://twitter.com/KatieBoWill/status/1361438190234718211)
Iran wants to know if the new sheriff fires back
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Don Rumata on February 18, 2021, 08:59:25 AM
https://youtu.be/mNyethAqJzk
https://youtu.be/v8edOP-_bnU

 :lol
Art.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 20, 2021, 02:21:12 PM
https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1363080065727270922 (https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1363080065727270922)

The bureaucrats are coming for our internet  :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on February 25, 2021, 04:10:17 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56187066

Quote
Boris Johnson believes a campaign to encourage people to eat British-caught fish could help the industry combat post-Brexit disruption.

Yes, I'm sure that'll do :lol


In other news, the head of the Bank of England goes :pika because the EU wants to take euro derivatives clearing out of London

https://www.independent.co.uk/business/uk-financial-services-bank-of-england-b1806765.html

It's almost like all this was bound to happen but they lived under a rock for 4.5 years.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 25, 2021, 10:13:28 AM
Except most of the fish Brits like to eat are not native British fish.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 25, 2021, 12:54:29 PM
"So I call on everyone to eat more Fish and Chips. This delicious [inaudible] has been the cornerstone of our culture for centuries."

*the next day*

BORIS GOVERNS
FROM SHITTER AFTER
EATING BAD FISH

WHO bans export of British fish after Prime Minister falls ill.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on March 01, 2021, 04:35:22 AM
 :lol

https://twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1366122423855251460
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 02, 2021, 04:23:27 AM
Quote from: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-02/sonnenkrieg-division-first-right-wing-terror-group-listed/13206756
Neo-Nazi Sonnenkrieg Division to become first right-wing terrorist organisation listed in Australia

A right-wing extremist group is set to be formally listed as a terrorist organisation for the first time in Australia.

Sonnenkrieg Division, a UK-based neo-Nazi group, will be effectively banned in Australia once its listing as a terror group is confirmed.

The group has been outlawed in the UK since early last year, and members have been convicted of encouraging terrorism, disseminating terror material, and preparations for a terrorist act.

Two Sonnenkrieg Division members were convicted in 2019 for plotting to attack the British royal family.

A good start, but more needs to be done to weed these fucking scumbags out.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on March 03, 2021, 07:08:19 PM
 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol


https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/hapless-defra-secretary-eustice-humiliated-and-schooled-by-the-eu/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 04, 2021, 02:12:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmJncAinzI0

"Bounce back better"

BoJo just single handedly wrecked the build back better campaign :lawd
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Don Rumata on March 05, 2021, 07:33:21 AM
Prosecutor investigating the murder of Italy's ambassador in Congo... also got ambushed and killed.
The fuck.

https://twitter.com/GeopoliticalCen/status/1367573727131631616

Didn't have time to find an English source.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 05, 2021, 07:36:51 AM
Quote from: Don Rumata on March 05, 2021, 07:33:21 AM
Prosecutor investigating the murder of Italy's ambassador in Congo... also got ambushed and killed.
The fuck.

https://twitter.com/GeopoliticalCen/status/1367573727131631616

Didn't have time to find an English source.
That's pretty fucked up
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 05, 2021, 02:17:42 PM
maybe stay the hell out of the congo  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 05, 2021, 07:20:12 PM
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1367885531707740163 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1367885531707740163)

everything's back to normal
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on March 06, 2021, 01:47:27 AM
:biden
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Don Rumata on March 06, 2021, 07:01:36 AM
Quote from: team filler on March 05, 2021, 02:17:42 PM
maybe stay the hell out of the congo  :doge
The murdered prosecutor's name was Mwilanya Asani William, he was from Congo. :ufup
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 06, 2021, 07:25:17 AM
if everyone stays out of congo, then nobody is there to kill or be killed  :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 07, 2021, 05:44:52 PM
Saudi oil facilities have been bombed

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1368659711084670978 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1368659711084670978)

https://twitter.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/1368669558773583875 (https://twitter.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/1368669558773583875)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 07, 2021, 07:45:21 PM
time for WW3  :biden
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 12, 2021, 03:16:51 PM
https://twitter.com/bylvth/status/1370458850772549639 (https://twitter.com/bylvth/status/1370458850772549639)

:uguu
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on March 12, 2021, 03:30:58 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1370434227557298184

 :maduro
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 12, 2021, 04:21:28 PM
LOCK HER UP!!  :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 12, 2021, 05:32:35 PM
 :biden "Have the secretary of you know what send me a memo on how much oil Bolivia has. We're going to cook this goose"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 13, 2021, 12:00:35 PM
https://twitter.com/OLAASM/status/1370756393091756034


 :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 13, 2021, 01:31:23 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErztFb9XIAY4Mf6?format=jpg)

Tesla boi better watch out :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 13, 2021, 09:46:27 PM
https://twitter.com/socXORext/status/1370781354745597955


 :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 18, 2021, 08:31:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ih1EuMLspY


 :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 18, 2021, 08:56:32 PM
Gotta love Aussie Bob. This is one of his classic quotes from a few years ago now. He does represent his electorate really well though (crazy outback people).

Some more words of wisdom from Bob:

Quote
“I would walk to Bourke backwards if the gay population of North Queensland is any more than 0.001%,”

His half-brother Carl later came out as gay.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 20, 2021, 06:58:59 AM
Looks like the bandits are banding together against the new Sheriff.

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1372881871307223044 (https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1372881871307223044)

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1373108306303188994 (https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1373108306303188994)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on March 22, 2021, 02:41:44 PM
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cv_tI-fOVzM/WLbbFNhnMxI/AAAAAAAAHjQ/NjFROJVEsW8QhK7Wc5vZnzXoLuRy6ASzQCLcB/s320/iP42wHz.gif)



https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/1373974501998915585
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 22, 2021, 02:59:35 PM
https://twitter.com/eepreylove/status/1374002042709155843


 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 22, 2021, 05:59:02 PM
Ah yes, the good old strike when the enemy is you are weak tactic

They must've all watched Adam Curtis latest doc  :lol

https://twitter.com/MinPres/status/1374043686913376256 (https://twitter.com/MinPres/status/1374043686913376256)

We've expelled the Chinese ambassador after they announced counter sanctions against some politicians.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 24, 2021, 06:20:16 PM
"we gotta save da uyghar!" "we gotta save da kurds n moderate rebels!" "kony2021!"


 :mueller
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 27, 2021, 04:46:52 PM
https://twitter.com/SecBlinken/status/1375831718633029633


we gotta save da violent racist rightwing bolivian colonizers! :biden


https://twitter.com/usatodayDC/status/1375151165915209732


save da uyghar  :biden


this stammering clown deserves to be made fun of same as trumpy  :maduro
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on March 28, 2021, 04:02:15 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56529351

Quote
The EU ban on many UK shellfish exports is "indefensible" and "unnecessary", the environment secretary has said.


This "EU y u so mean" approach is hilarious, considering those rules for 3rd countries (which the UK voted for) have been in place for ages.
But good luck exporting your shellfish to "other markets", I'm sure they will be very fresh when they get there :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 29, 2021, 12:33:06 AM
Brexit continues to be an embarrassing parade of easily-preventable own-goals, I see.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 29, 2021, 02:37:05 AM
https://twitter.com/whoiszhu/status/1376419174277382146


 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 29, 2021, 10:21:22 AM
Why the Eu got to be so shellfish?  Honestly, it's like England likes getting cockled. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on March 31, 2021, 06:13:42 PM
Avatar 2 is going to bring peace to the Middle East.

https://mobile.twitter.com/samthielman/status/1376913406117220353
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 31, 2021, 07:45:32 PM
https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1376911786662895622 (https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1376911786662895622)

Ah yes a treaty will save us all

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 01, 2021, 02:18:34 PM
https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1377674872780959745 (https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1377674872780959745)

What a mess  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on April 02, 2021, 03:53:17 AM
you could say he's in a rut  :tocry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 02, 2021, 03:34:29 PM
COVID is over :rejoice

https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1377686541946982407 (https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1377686541946982407)

https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1377085759669293058 (https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1377085759669293058)

https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1376965845172289536 (https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1376965845172289536)

https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1378025806950240256 (https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1378025806950240256)

The Russians are coming to invade with their shitty tanks music after Zelensky pokes the bear


Shelling has started
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 03, 2021, 04:38:53 PM
Coup attempt in Jordan

https://twitter.com/LizSly/status/1378415643893100546 (https://twitter.com/LizSly/status/1378415643893100546)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 04, 2021, 06:34:19 AM
https://twitter.com/UKRinNATO/status/1378623755291869185 (https://twitter.com/UKRinNATO/status/1378623755291869185)

https://twitter.com/Ukropo4kA/status/1378636776055705600 (https://twitter.com/Ukropo4kA/status/1378636776055705600)


https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1379122749138952196 (https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1379122749138952196)
Explain yourself and your shitty music Russia!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 06, 2021, 06:47:59 AM
https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/1379384980581666821 (https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/1379384980581666821)

https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1379368027981021184 (https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1379368027981021184)

Let's call it NATO+ :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 06, 2021, 02:31:23 PM
OSCE has mapped out the Russian deployments

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyT4c5-XMAQE8zl?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 06, 2021, 03:47:40 PM
https://twitter.com/idreesali114/status/1379516114682667016 (https://twitter.com/idreesali114/status/1379516114682667016)

Iranian spy ship mined
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 08, 2021, 09:52:45 AM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1380145286497046530 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1380145286497046530)

"Troops, what troops?"

"The troops on your border with Ukraine?"

"Oh, those are just innocent train conductors on early summer holiday"

"But they have tanks and ICBM launchers Vladimir"

"Well they don't want to get mugged, that area can be pretty dangerous it concerns me as well"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on April 09, 2021, 01:35:43 PM
https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1380528979438804997


 :badass
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 10, 2021, 07:23:04 AM
"The Nation is Mourning"

The nation:

https://twitter.com/Jake_Kanter/status/1380803808868057090 (https://twitter.com/Jake_Kanter/status/1380803808868057090)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on April 10, 2021, 07:24:23 AM
ive not watched a second of live broadcast TV since Thursday night :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on April 10, 2021, 05:05:46 PM
https://youtu.be/5ih6SAMxYmM
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 10, 2021, 05:50:18 PM
Quote from: Transhuman on April 10, 2021, 05:05:46 PM
https://youtu.be/5ih6SAMxYmM
In hindsight the media sending the people into a frenzy over Diana's death was purely orchestrated to cover their own ass.

Such vile and nasty people.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on April 10, 2021, 05:53:48 PM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-11/china-fines-alibaba-anti-competitive-behaviour/100061372 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-11/china-fines-alibaba-anti-competitive-behaviour/100061372)

Quote
Chinese regulators have fined Alibaba Group, the world's biggest e-commerce company, 18.3 billion yuan ($3.7 billion) for anti-competitive tactics.

How ironic that a totalitarian dictatorship in a country where opposition parties are banned and the political system is (philosophically) opposed to commercial competition would issue a fine for anticompetitive behaviour!!

Only in modern China...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 12, 2021, 02:29:26 PM
This is all going well

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1381583376637960198 (https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1381583376637960198)

https://twitter.com/yevhenfedchenko/status/1381558069038043137 (https://twitter.com/yevhenfedchenko/status/1381558069038043137)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on April 14, 2021, 01:02:28 PM
Priorities!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/prince-philip-mps-tributes-brexit-deal-hours-b1830004.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on April 14, 2021, 01:17:25 PM
Juan Guaido is no longer US best friend. 

https://mobile.twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1382145506684583936
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on April 15, 2021, 06:01:33 AM
https://twitter.com/brianlilley/status/1382448804482400269
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on April 15, 2021, 12:25:36 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56742783

Quote
The UK is continuing to suggest an SPS "trusted trader" scheme which would sharply reduce the controls on eligible traders who could show the EU they have secure and auditable supply chains.

The EU rejected this idea at an earlier stage of the Brexit process.


So for those just joining us:

UK: "We want X"

EU: "Afraid it will have to be Y"

UK: "OK then, let's sign the deal!"

3 months later

UK: "BTW we'll just do X for a while"

EU and everyone else: "The fuck?"

UK: "OK let's meet and discuss. We'd like to do X how does that sound?"


Unbelievable :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 15, 2021, 01:00:07 PM
Hitler: "The English provoked WW2. It was impossible to come to an understanding and they did not hold up their end of the bargain on the issue of the free city of Danzig to maintain peace in Europe"

Europe / US pre-Brexit: "Nonsense, you were at fault"

Europe post-brexit: :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 15, 2021, 03:39:17 PM
https://twitter.com/Hromadske/status/1382734210155245570 (https://twitter.com/Hromadske/status/1382734210155245570)

https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1382688248141611022 (https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1382688248141611022)

https://twitter.com/WaschukCanUA/status/1382685843886899207 (https://twitter.com/WaschukCanUA/status/1382685843886899207)

Still a mystery what their real intentions are
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 18, 2021, 01:09:10 PM
https://twitter.com/mhmck/status/1383750807946813445 (https://twitter.com/mhmck/status/1383750807946813445)

 :usacry

https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1383762109780037636 (https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1383762109780037636)

 :gbcry


Turns out Russia attacked NATO (Czech Republic) in 2014. When an infamous GRU unit blew up an arms depot killing civilians.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on April 18, 2021, 11:40:25 PM
Wasn't Putin supposed to be dying of cancer a few months back? Whatever happened to those reports?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: chronovore on April 19, 2021, 05:22:33 AM
Quote from: Potato on April 18, 2021, 11:40:25 PM
Wasn't Putin supposed to be dying of cancer a few months back? Whatever happened to those reports?
He is probably on a limited clock.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HardcoreRetro on April 19, 2021, 05:47:57 AM
Quote from: Potato on April 18, 2021, 11:40:25 PM
Wasn't Putin supposed to be dying of cancer a few months back? Whatever happened to those reports?

It was Parkinson's and no clue.

Edit: Looked into it some more. He supposedly had cancer treatment and parkinson, but the only people who reported on it were two british newspapers. (The Sun and The Daily Mirror. Which both seem like shitrags.) The story came originally from some Putin critic.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 19, 2021, 02:29:53 PM
https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1384167490318602259 (https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1384167490318602259)

 :yeshrug

Meanwhile Zelensky's party wants to call Putin's bluff

https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1384210231169716235 (https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1384210231169716235)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on April 19, 2021, 04:35:28 PM
Come get your girl Benji.

https://mobile.twitter.com/demswatchdog/status/1383607235624849421
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 19, 2021, 05:33:56 PM
https://twitter.com/CBSSunday/status/1383832816794816512 (https://twitter.com/CBSSunday/status/1383832816794816512)

 :dead

"I'm a leadership kind of guy"

"It's gonna require leadership to help heal wounds"

500 000 Iraqi's and Afghani's were unavailable for comment but we have the CEO of Exxon on line 2 if you want.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on April 19, 2021, 07:31:07 PM
did he vote for bide  :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 20, 2021, 03:13:11 PM
Looking at those paintings I can tell MK ULTRA has been very succesful in wiping the memories of the war crimes from G.Ws mind.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 20, 2021, 05:13:34 PM
https://twitter.com/TommyLundn/status/1384602187821633540 (https://twitter.com/TommyLundn/status/1384602187821633540)

Putin will speak to parliament tommorow and Lukashenko on the 22nd, what follows is an emergency meeting of the federation council on the 23rd.
Some journalists are speculating that it might have something to do with Russia officially annexing the break-away Republics in Ukraine.
But there's also chatter that Belarus will join Russia after reports of a 'failed coup attempt'.

https://twitter.com/akihheikkinen/status/1384594301947162628 (https://twitter.com/akihheikkinen/status/1384594301947162628)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 22, 2021, 01:51:35 PM
Bluff called

https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1385279391987605506 (https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1385279391987605506)

Putin cowardly backs off :pacspit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on April 22, 2021, 02:59:01 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/willmenaker/status/1384939432709705737

 :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 23, 2021, 06:04:45 PM
https://twitter.com/MarietjeSchaake/status/1385704810125611019 (https://twitter.com/MarietjeSchaake/status/1385704810125611019)

lmao
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on April 24, 2021, 02:43:07 PM
https://twitter.com/QueenNat_35/status/1386001600150491137
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on April 24, 2021, 08:34:44 PM
https://twitter.com/UtdXclusive/status/1385984258305576961

 :gbcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on April 25, 2021, 05:33:23 AM
:salute
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 25, 2021, 06:11:00 AM
https://twitter.com/SunshineSucks/status/1385570952667410432 (https://twitter.com/SunshineSucks/status/1385570952667410432)

If Johnson is not only the first NATO leader to beat COVID but also the first to reach the climate goals the left will never bring up climate change again :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 25, 2021, 12:40:19 PM
:dead  as someone who actually uses the term 'bunny hug'
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Tripon on April 25, 2021, 04:09:04 PM
https://twitter.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1385654645423542280

:nope
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 25, 2021, 06:04:23 PM
If Labour is serious about winning they should literally throw Tony Blair under a bus.
Until they do that they'll keep losing.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on April 25, 2021, 06:47:06 PM
but Blair is the goat 🐐
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on May 05, 2021, 07:49:36 PM
Finally some real international diplomacy from an American. Brunch is back on the menu baby!

https://mobile.twitter.com/NicolasMaduro/status/1389762714415865859

 :maduro

Edit: Seagal brought a katana  :dead

(https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/GXjEbO6hBh.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on May 06, 2021, 01:24:29 AM
https://twitter.com/UgRwah/status/1389869751560769536


 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on May 06, 2021, 02:50:12 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57003069


Quote
Two Royal Navy vessels are patrolling waters around Jersey amid concerns of a possible blockade by French boats over post-Brexit fishing rights.


 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 06, 2021, 03:55:23 PM
https://twitter.com/ITVChannelTV/status/1390209161317728257 (https://twitter.com/ITVChannelTV/status/1390209161317728257)

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1390287386660196355 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1390287386660196355)

https://twitter.com/MetroUK/status/1390302741696847877 (https://twitter.com/MetroUK/status/1390302741696847877)

Of course the French gave up :gbcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on May 06, 2021, 04:05:24 PM
Weird headline since it lasted for ~15h :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 06, 2021, 05:06:52 PM
https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1390409045475999755 (https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1390409045475999755)

Labour already coping for that loss  :snob
Looks like Boris wins agains.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on May 06, 2021, 05:49:39 PM
Jeremy Corbyn and the grass roots lefties really did a number on the Labour Party there, didn't they?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on May 06, 2021, 06:03:16 PM
It’s okay the gays are going to carry Labour to a fabulous victory.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Queers4Keir/status/1389854363259125763
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 06, 2021, 07:03:59 PM
Quote from: Potato on May 06, 2021, 05:49:39 PM
Jeremy Corbyn and the grass roots lefties really did a number on the Labour Party there, didn't they?
I think the right ones to blame are Blair and Brown.

But Labour has the same problem as many social democratic parties across Europe have.
The conservatives are simply telling people that voted labour for 57 years and haven't yet stopped voting or switched to UKIP out of anger: "Eh, how's that working out for ya?"

Not to mention that in Europe the conservative parties are also supporting the climate change policies and gay marriage and such.
Then the left goes and runs a campaign on diversity, inclusivity, climate and all that backed by NGO's and left wing media and polls show people mainly care about healthcare, ze economy, education and migration.
Topics they barely talk about. Across Europe the left is no longer appealing to working class voters.
And for each millenial liberal arts student they painstakingly persuade to go vote for the first (and possibly only) time in their lives they lose 5 votes to other parties.

I don't see how they get out of this predicament. Labour was fucked on Brexit, the working classes supported it and the big cities didn't. So they had to decide what mattered more.
They're always stuck between: "You're too radical" or "You're not doing enough".

Conservative voters simply vote to 'keep things as they are' because they are doing well themselves or 'to lower taxes' because the government sucks anyway.
Most conservative parties have also completely shunned ideology they just present themselves as 'managing things well' even if they've literally ran everything into the ground with no ideas on how to change or improve things. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on May 06, 2021, 07:30:02 PM
Labor in Australia lost what should have been an unlosable election because instead of focusing on what matters to working class people (jobs, health, education), they went in with mixed messages which were designed to pander to inner city academics (climate change, who the fuck knows what else) who only interact with blue collar workers when they call them to fix their toilets. This is because the Labor movement has been overtaken by inner city academics who are more interested in telling blue collar workers what's good for them rather than actually listening to them. The extremists in their party who label everything something-phobic or racist is not helping their cause either. A lot of their traditional base are turned off by that shit and most of the migrant population came from somewhere there is real racism and laughs at their attempts to label some of this shit as racist.

We have compulsory voting here, so you need to appeal to a broad voter group of you're going to win. Labor seem only interested in appealing to people who are just like them.

The union bigwigs I sometimes speak to in my work are absolutely frustrated by this, but there isn't much they can do. Their party has been hijacked.

The Conservatives meanwhile are too busy knifing each other and being generally awful humans, but hey, they know that people won't vote for a party which is telling people that they will just need to retrain in another job after their industry is killed off, so they have done fuck all while being in power for so many years.

We used to have a great centrist party (The Democrats - unofficial motto: Keep the bastards honest) who I would probably vote for, but they got killed off because of internal politics a while ago.

I forgot where I was going with this rant, but good talk anyway.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 07, 2021, 03:31:25 AM
And then this happens in a place that voted Labour for 57 years.

https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1390549212421672962 (https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1390549212421672962)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 09, 2021, 07:42:39 AM
https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1391312510498787335 (https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1391312510498787335)

https://twitter.com/TOLOnews/status/1390961747637440513 (https://twitter.com/TOLOnews/status/1390961747637440513)

 :maduro
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 10, 2021, 02:07:55 PM
https://twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1391773156407382018 (https://twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1391773156407382018)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on May 10, 2021, 02:20:44 PM
 ::)


https://twitter.com/MuhammadSmiry/status/1391691876693168129


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 10, 2021, 03:55:53 PM
Seems like this whole thing is going to shit again

https://twitter.com/AmiMaimon/status/1391820625757540361 (https://twitter.com/AmiMaimon/status/1391820625757540361)

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1391840686366986245 (https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1391840686366986245)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on May 10, 2021, 05:15:50 PM
https://twitter.com/AlaaDaraghme/status/1391641382662680578
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 10, 2021, 06:08:41 PM
https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/1391848613924548612 (https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/1391848613924548612)

Sounds like Bibi is ready for war
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on May 10, 2021, 08:33:47 PM
Quote from: team filler on May 06, 2021, 01:24:29 AM
https://twitter.com/UgRwah/status/1389869751560769536


 :kermit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P19etNcy3Q


 :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on May 10, 2021, 08:58:34 PM
I guess it's easy to love al-Assad when he's not using chemical weapons in your neighbourhood
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: naff on May 10, 2021, 09:00:13 PM
:piss                                                                     :piss2

https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1391897869137887234

always thought yang was a bad actor but yeah, fuck this guy
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on May 10, 2021, 09:49:43 PM
He must want to be mayor so bad
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on May 10, 2021, 10:04:02 PM
Quote from: Potato on May 10, 2021, 08:58:34 PM
I guess it's easy to love al-Assad when he's not using chemical weapons in your neighbourhood
that was western propaganda  :maduro
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on May 10, 2021, 10:23:00 PM
Quote from: team filler on May 10, 2021, 10:04:02 PM
Quote from: Potato on May 10, 2021, 08:58:34 PM
I guess it's easy to love al-Assad when he's not using chemical weapons in your neighbourhood
that was western propaganda  :maduro
:nothing
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: OnlyRegret on May 11, 2021, 12:36:34 AM
Quote from: naff on May 10, 2021, 09:00:13 PM
:piss                                                                     :piss2

https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1391897869137887234

always thought yang was a bad actor but yeah, fuck this guy

Should've known to expect that when he reversed his stance and sold out to Big Circumcision Inc.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 11, 2021, 01:46:05 PM
The IDF has announced they will continue to destroy high towers in Gaza. Hamas said they will strike Tel Aviv

https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1392172687624126468 (https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1392172687624126468)

Over 500 rockets launched just now
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 11, 2021, 02:09:59 PM
They're trying to overwhelm the Iron Dome with a massive volley of small rockets so the big ones hit

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1IADIIXIAMSxKc?format=jpg)

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1392176558438330370 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1392176558438330370)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on May 11, 2021, 03:42:32 PM
https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1392181433117159428
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 11, 2021, 03:48:19 PM
Looks some rockets went through the defenses
https://twitter.com/michaeldickson/status/1392191774798536710 (https://twitter.com/michaeldickson/status/1392191774798536710)

Bibi is about to speak as Hamas is reloading for another round.
Israeli's are worried the Iron Dome will run out of ammo if this keeps up.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on May 11, 2021, 04:32:20 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/YKd0Hj4.jpg)

Christ almighty

https://mobile.twitter.com/IDF/status/1392197029355470848
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on May 11, 2021, 04:49:53 PM
Good guy IDF  ::)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 11, 2021, 04:52:07 PM
Tensions flare up just two days before Bibi was finally gonna get the boot?  :pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on May 11, 2021, 04:56:57 PM
 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 11, 2021, 06:34:21 PM
There's a risk of this escalating into a civil war between the Israeli's and Israeli Arabs.
Israel again has moved on the Al Asqa Mosque as the IDF bombs Gaza and Hamas prepares more rocket volleys.
Neither side seems willing to negotiate a cease fire at this hour

https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1392216161375428615 (https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1392216161375428615)

https://twitter.com/Jtruzmah/status/1392236753008820226 (https://twitter.com/Jtruzmah/status/1392236753008820226)


https://twitter.com/JudahAriGross/status/1392242104802463750 (https://twitter.com/JudahAriGross/status/1392242104802463750)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on May 11, 2021, 06:37:07 PM
https://twitter.com/HadiNasrallah/status/1392237517735350273


from the river to the sea :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 11, 2021, 06:54:57 PM
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1392224052211818496 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1392224052211818496)

State of Emergency declared. Bibi has announced attacks on Gaza will continue with full force
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on May 11, 2021, 08:20:51 PM
https://twitter.com/AhmedSaadGaza/status/1392268595548368897

https://twitter.com/AhmedSaadGaza/status/1392268979410984967

https://twitter.com/LebUpdate/status/1392275607778648067
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 12, 2021, 05:42:44 PM
The war continues as the mobs clash in Israeli cities.

https://twitter.com/AyaIsleemEn/status/1392594006996029448 (https://twitter.com/AyaIsleemEn/status/1392594006996029448)

https://twitter.com/BabaUmarr/status/1392587555154145286 (https://twitter.com/BabaUmarr/status/1392587555154145286)

The US has given Bibi the green light to close Gaza down(?)
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1392590694162780160 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1392590694162780160)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 12, 2021, 06:18:38 PM
https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1392603941289046023 (https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1392603941289046023)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on May 12, 2021, 08:53:52 PM
Quote from: Nintex on May 12, 2021, 05:42:44 PM
The war continues as the mobs clash in Israeli cities.

https://twitter.com/BabaUmarr/status/1392587555154145286 (https://twitter.com/BabaUmarr/status/1392587555154145286)
I hear her and am sympathetic to the Palestinian people, but why wasn't she out there doing her job the same way when hundreds of rockets were flying overhead launched at Tel Aviv?

There are plenty of evil people involved in this conflict who have no motivation to seek peace and are only interested in the complete obliteration of the opposing side. That's how innocent civilians suffer. Fuck all of them who think that firing rockets randomly at civilians and the others who think that leveling buildings is acceptable. Cunts.


Edit: She probably should have mentioned that the TV station that was housed in that building was a Hamas run station. I guess if you don't want your TV station building leveled, then maybe don't fire hundreds of rockets indiscriminately into a city.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on May 13, 2021, 05:48:01 AM
https://twitter.com/yumna_patel/status/1392708630533791744
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on May 13, 2021, 05:52:37 AM
https://twitter.com/shen_shiwei/status/1392767403302346755


 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 13, 2021, 06:22:39 PM
https://twitter.com/FranceNews24/status/1392967126844067841 (https://twitter.com/FranceNews24/status/1392967126844067841)

https://twitter.com/RealNewsIL/status/1392957971974471685 (https://twitter.com/RealNewsIL/status/1392957971974471685)

After more rocket attacks Israel has launched a massive strike on Gaza with artillery.

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1392967219227791365 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1392967219227791365)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on May 13, 2021, 08:19:05 PM
https://twitter.com/cjwerleman/status/1392572719619735554
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sideshow Raheem on May 13, 2021, 08:31:15 PM
Bloomberg and the NY Post report the Colonial Pipeline folks ponied up for the ransomware attack.

This seems smart, sending untraceable currency to the terrorists who've crippled their works.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on May 13, 2021, 09:36:43 PM
DarkSide is apolitical though so they're not really terrorists

$5 mil isn't that much either considering how much it's probably costing for every day of service interruption
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 14, 2021, 09:34:58 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1UAFYQXMAMT07e?format=png)

Pretty crazy to think what sort of damage 1000's of rockets could do if the Iron Dome didn't exist.


Quote from: Transhuman on May 13, 2021, 09:36:43 PM
DarkSide is apolitical though so they're not really terrorists

$5 mil isn't that much either considering how much it's probably costing for every day of service interruption
It'll probably end up back into the economy through OnlyFans. It's sort of a stimulus.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 15, 2021, 06:57:34 PM
https://twitter.com/MiddleEastEye/status/1393566051523342337 (https://twitter.com/MiddleEastEye/status/1393566051523342337)

Imagine being able to call the dude who is about to bomb your building  :doge


https://twitter.com/obk/status/1393685650411565058 (https://twitter.com/obk/status/1393685650411565058)

Hamas still manipulating those Raytheon stonks
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on May 16, 2021, 08:28:33 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/pJYP34ioGDvLW/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 17, 2021, 01:20:59 PM
https://twitter.com/Yamiche/status/1394329400808718339 (https://twitter.com/Yamiche/status/1394329400808718339)

I like how this lady always uses the most plain ass corporate buzzwords from a $30 online feedback training webinar


You know what's also not very constructive, leveling buildings :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Trent Dole on May 17, 2021, 05:04:28 PM
So like, the take to have regarding Israel/Palestine is that while the west dislikes both groups we hate Muslims more than we hate Jews so the Jews get our funding, right? :thinking Not that Israel = Jewish blah blah blah
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on May 17, 2021, 05:22:53 PM
european jews>arabs of any religion
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 17, 2021, 05:53:47 PM
The take to have is that we're very sorry we tried to kill them all for some free real estate.

Just last year the Dutch railways decided to compensate the families of Holocaust victims.
For decades the story was that the Germans had 'forced' the Dutch railways to send trains to the camps and that carriages were stolen by Germany.
In recent years the books have been examined and then they realized that the Dutch railways billed the Germans for the transports and provided staff and security.
The Germans didn't miss a payment, send a personal thank you note from time to time and the Dutch railways made a nice profit on the operation.

Even though there's a risk of Holocaust deniers taking their own conclusions, a lot of European governments and companies have started to look into their history.
Turns out anti-semitism prior to WW2 was not just a problem in Germany and Eastern Europe.

All Europe can and will ever do is support Israel.
Which is why EU governments have no answer to people with Palestinian flags walking through Brussels and Amsterdam shouting sentences that start with Hamas and end with gas.
They simply 'let them' hoping that it will go away that way.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on May 17, 2021, 08:48:18 PM
Anyone who thinks that the Nazis could organise the herding and extermination of 6 million people without the knowledge of the governments of the rest of the world is absurd.

They knew, they just didn't care much. On a list of priorities, it was somewhere down below making sure the commie bastards didn't gain access to all those brilliant German scientists.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on May 18, 2021, 01:14:14 AM
https://twitter.com/whoiszhu/status/1394461911505412108


 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 18, 2021, 02:31:22 PM
https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/1394712031379525636 (https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/1394712031379525636)

Looking at my energy bills I'm glad we're getting more cheap Russian gas :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on May 18, 2021, 03:58:11 PM
https://twitter.com/IranChinaGuy/status/1394733899822112771


:kermit :kermit :kermit :kermit :kermit :kermit :kermit :kermit :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on May 18, 2021, 11:22:39 PM
https://twitter.com/andraydomise/status/1394827715149185027


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on May 19, 2021, 10:47:32 AM
Quote from: team filler on May 18, 2021, 11:22:39 PM
https://twitter.com/andraydomise/status/1394827715149185027




This is like trump rallies.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 19, 2021, 04:27:32 PM
If Israel had not returned land to Syria/Jordan and Egypt after the Yum Kippur war we wouldn't even be having a discussion about the Palestinian state.
The real problem (that Israel does not want to admit) is that they cannot occupy or take over what is now known as the Palestinian state because it would ruin their economy and would make the Jews a minority in Israel within less than a decade.

It is only a matter of time before Israel falls. They can either no longer afford their defenses and people will leave to escape the rocket barrages and drone attacks and their economy craters.
Or Hamas can muster enough forces and public opinion turns against bombing Gaza so the IDF can no longer stop the influx of arms from Iran and Syria and is overrun by a much larger army.
If current trends of anti-semitism hold there will be no Europeans or Americans boots coming to the defense of Israel either.

In a way the collapse has already begun with the mobs fighting in the streets of large cities.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on May 20, 2021, 12:42:56 AM
inshallah  :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: OnlyRegret on May 20, 2021, 12:48:42 AM
Quote from: Nintex on May 19, 2021, 04:27:32 PM
If Israel had not returned land to Syria/Jordan and Egypt after the Yum Kippur war we wouldn't even be having a discussion about the Palestinian state.
The real problem (that Israel does not want to admit) is that they cannot occupy or take over what is now known as the Palestinian state because it would ruin their economy and would make the Jews a minority in Israel within less than a decade.

It is only a matter of time before Israel falls. They can either no longer afford their defenses and people will leave to escape the rocket barrages and drone attacks and their economy craters.
Or Hamas can muster enough forces and public opinion turns against bombing Gaza so the IDF can no longer stop the influx of arms from Iran and Syria and is overrun by a much larger army.
If current trends of anti-semitism hold there will be no Europeans or Americans boots coming to the defense of Israel either.

In a way the collapse has already begun with the mobs fighting in the streets of large cities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option#Authors'_opinions
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 20, 2021, 01:22:02 PM
https://twitter.com/timourazhari/status/1395282477661446149 (https://twitter.com/timourazhari/status/1395282477661446149)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on May 20, 2021, 10:59:59 PM
https://twitter.com/timourazhari/status/1395292346380607489

christian taliban  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on May 22, 2021, 02:51:00 AM
https://twitter.com/rkalia80/status/1395655136274313216
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on May 23, 2021, 03:41:47 AM
https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1395903721494573061


 :hesright
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 23, 2021, 10:30:10 AM
Ok, this is pretty fucked up.

Belarus forced a plane en route from Greece to Lithuania to land with a fake bombscare so the KGB could arrest a journalist that they want to execute.

https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1396461385589182470 (https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1396461385589182470)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2EdNnoXEAA4YTZ?format=jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2ExAMJWUAEKMld?format=png)

Stay clear of Ryanair folks.


Lithuania and Slovenia have demanded the release of the journalist and the safe return of all passengers.

Lithuania calls for the EU and NATO to respond to the Belarussian threat to civil avation immediatly.
They could invoke Article 5 as an active NATO member.

Donald Tusk fromer President of the EU council and leader of the EPP faction in the EU parliament also calls for an immediate response.
Quote
Lukashenka has become a threat not only to the citizens of his country, but also to international security. His act of state terrorism requires an immediate and decisive response from all European governments and institutions.

Apparently the KGB 'hijacked' the plane
https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1396446650718117890 (https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1396446650718117890)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on May 23, 2021, 01:47:34 PM
Classic Ryanair.

If only he paid the extra Ł10 "no hijacking" charge he would have been golden.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 23, 2021, 02:10:48 PM
https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1396487685011816449 (https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1396487685011816449)

Watch out Luka they're going to uuhhh......
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 23, 2021, 05:32:44 PM
https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1396576750457475073 (https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1396576750457475073)

They arrested his girlfriend as well.

A number of EU politicians are calling for a ban of all flights over, from and to Belarus

https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1396571170892288004 (https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1396571170892288004)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on May 24, 2021, 12:35:27 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2EnDRpWQAEgevB?format=jpg&name=900x900)

 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on May 24, 2021, 03:10:48 AM
based palestine  8)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on May 24, 2021, 06:53:22 AM
Who is today’s Jesus?  :thinking

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Obviously  :trumps
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on May 24, 2021, 02:07:03 PM
Seems legit :lol

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-57233134?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=60abdb68e7130202defa37d2%26Belarus%20points%20finger%20at%20Hamas%20for%20plane%20diversion%262021-05-24T17%3A06%3A40.449Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:b9c3add0-23a0-4197-9553-9d8918297d02&pinned_post_asset_id=60abdb68e7130202defa37d2&pinned_post_type=share

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 24, 2021, 06:00:28 PM
What absolute nonsense. I could do better.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 24, 2021, 07:29:23 PM
https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1396969812367134724 (https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1396969812367134724)

The EU has essentially initiated a flight blockade for Belarus
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on May 25, 2021, 07:04:35 AM
https://twitter.com/MarkRuffalo/status/1397023731722113032

:kermit  :curious
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on May 25, 2021, 07:23:08 AM
Technically it was only forced illegal explusions based on ethnicity followed by semi-indescriminate bombing
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on May 25, 2021, 12:45:47 PM
CIA continues to post their Ls.

https://mobile.twitter.com/CIA/status/1397193234086957056
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 25, 2021, 02:11:06 PM
Quote from: BIONIC on May 25, 2021, 07:04:35 AM
https://twitter.com/MarkRuffalo/status/1397023731722113032

:kermit  :curious

Guess the Hulk isn't always himself. When he gets angry he turns into a raging green monster anti-semite
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 25, 2021, 03:58:41 PM
Quote from: Raist on May 24, 2021, 02:07:03 PM
Seems legit :lol

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-57233134?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=60abdb68e7130202defa37d2%26Belarus%20points%20finger%20at%20Hamas%20for%20plane%20diversion%262021-05-24T17%3A06%3A40.449Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:b9c3add0-23a0-4197-9553-9d8918297d02&pinned_post_asset_id=60abdb68e7130202defa37d2&pinned_post_type=share

Plot twist

https://twitter.com/edwardlucas/status/1397205393210810375 (https://twitter.com/edwardlucas/status/1397205393210810375)

When Hamas thinks you're out of line :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 26, 2021, 08:30:49 AM
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1397496788320493571 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1397496788320493571)

This is quite something
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on May 26, 2021, 06:52:57 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1397477752480075778

 :science :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 27, 2021, 04:38:27 PM
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1397491188006113281 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1397491188006113281)

 :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on May 28, 2021, 03:18:03 PM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1398016304582434818


https://twitter.com/KevorkAlmassian/status/1398029224389324800


 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 28, 2021, 03:36:01 PM
The Chad Assad

(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/9050d69f5bf875035cc05a1e3eff4d49e91fca4c/0_117_2140_1284/master/2140.jpg?width=445&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=ac9ead01952635ce260ea02a8d4ff416)

hate the game not the player
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on May 28, 2021, 03:36:09 PM
Something these dictators don't understand is that if you want the rest of the world to take your rigged election seriously, then at least make the contest somewhat close. 60/40, maybe stretch it to 65/35 and I'll kind of believe it. The trouble is the fragile egos of these maniacs won't allow that. They need to show the world that they are rigging the election like it's some big dick contest.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 28, 2021, 03:42:38 PM
In the part that Assad controls this is probably the outcome.

I mean, if you held an election in the US the day after 9/11, 90% of the country would've voted for Bush.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 29, 2021, 10:17:06 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57291530
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on May 29, 2021, 05:40:01 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on May 29, 2021, 10:17:06 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57291530
That's the English for you...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2021, 05:43:00 PM
Quote from: Potato on May 28, 2021, 03:36:09 PM
Something these dictators don't understand is that if you want the rest of the world to take your rigged election seriously, then at least make the contest somewhat close. 60/40, maybe stretch it to 65/35 and I'll kind of believe it. The trouble is the fragile egos of these maniacs won't allow that. They need to show the world that they are rigging the election like it's some big dick contest.
It's either that or just go the other way and make it a complete farce, 99.9% or 100% like ol Saddam or the Kims would do. But no, a bunch of these guys do like 85-95% which is just weird.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on May 29, 2021, 06:25:30 PM
https://twitter.com/tiredarabwoman/status/1398667985162838017


 :hesright
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on May 30, 2021, 11:05:15 AM
https://twitter.com/NoorAbdelHaq1/status/1398956398059343881



 :larry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 31, 2021, 12:37:14 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2tPzmdXEAMOxsJ?format=jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2t52ATXwAQnn5w?format=jpg)

Congratulations to all the happy couples :heart
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 31, 2021, 03:14:42 PM
https://twitter.com/mjbooth1/status/1399145714182070272 (https://twitter.com/mjbooth1/status/1399145714182070272)

lmao
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 01, 2021, 09:25:36 AM
https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1399703768485273607 (https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1399703768485273607)

Looks like not only Americans are nostalgic for the 70's  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on June 02, 2021, 07:56:40 AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/06/01/wetherspoons-boss-calls-eu-migration-tackle-bar-staff-shortage/

Quote
The Brexit-backing boss of JD Wetherspoon has urged Boris Johnson to introduce a visa scheme for EU workers as British pubs and restaurants struggle to recruit staff in the post-pandemic labour market squeeze.

(https://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/britain-on-a-bicycle-collapses-fucking-european-union-brexit-fail-comic.jpg)


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Tripon on June 03, 2021, 01:12:17 PM
https://twitter.com/HuXijin_GT/status/1268404855376232448  https://twitter.com/HuXijin_GT/status/1400439385783345155

 :chinacry :chinacry :chinacry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 03, 2021, 02:47:10 PM
lmao even the Chinese are afraid of the coming economic apocalypse.

https://twitter.com/HuXijin_GT/status/1399006177522900997 (https://twitter.com/HuXijin_GT/status/1399006177522900997)

:biden
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on June 03, 2021, 10:26:31 PM
Chinese tanks go brrrrrr....or something
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on June 04, 2021, 02:03:33 AM
David Frost wants us to know that he really doesn't like the NI protocol. Again.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-57324713

Quote
The UK's Brexit Minister has reiterated his belief that the NI Protocol is unsustainable in its current form.


It's really a shame he didn't have his say before...



Oh wait, he was chief negotiator and was so proud of himself.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55453848

Quote
The UK's new trade deal with the EU marks "the beginning of a moment of national renewal", Boris Johnson's chief Brexit negotiator has said.

The agreement was announced on Christmas Eve, after months of fraught talks on issues such as fishing rights and business rules.

Lord Frost described it as "one of the biggest and broadest" ever.

Get fucked you muppet :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 05, 2021, 08:36:15 AM
https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1400756068716716033 (https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1400756068716716033)

https://twitter.com/SirajAHashmi/status/1401011713693175808 (https://twitter.com/SirajAHashmi/status/1401011713693175808)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 05, 2021, 02:07:26 PM
https://twitter.com/VICENews/status/1400918017463234568 (https://twitter.com/VICENews/status/1400918017463234568)

lmao he really regrets this interview 3 minutes in.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 05, 2021, 06:55:37 PM
Anyone want some steel?

https://twitter.com/LoveWorld_Peopl/status/1401297586716397572 (https://twitter.com/LoveWorld_Peopl/status/1401297586716397572)

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1401302519935123459 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1401302519935123459)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Tycoon Padre on June 06, 2021, 01:20:19 PM
 :goldberg

https://twitter.com/rickburin/status/1401169069504708611

https://twitter.com/MarinaHyde/status/1401246081544040449

https://twitter.com/Coldwar_Steve/status/1401270744928108545
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 07, 2021, 02:59:32 AM
https://twitter.com/FlytoKIX787/status/1400321458111348738 (https://twitter.com/FlytoKIX787/status/1400321458111348738)
They could use some steel
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on June 07, 2021, 03:44:45 AM
There goes the Switch Pro shipments  :(
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on June 08, 2021, 06:35:03 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-57388414

Quote
The British government agreed to the protocol in late 2019 but there have been some problems since it came into operation in January this year, and the UK is now seeking changes.

George Eustice, the UK's Agriculture Minister, described the chilled meats issue as "bonkers" on Radio 4's Today programme on Tuesday.

On Monday, the UK's Brexit Minister Lord Frost admitted the UK had "underestimated" the effect of the protocol on goods movements to Northern Ireland.

In an article in the Financial Times, he accused the EU of "legal purism" and called for "pragmatic solutions between friends, not the imposition of one side's rules on the other".


Legal purism :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on June 08, 2021, 10:09:32 AM
Quote
French President Emmanuel Macron has been slapped in the face on an official visit to the southeast of France.

In a video circulating on social media, Mr Macron is seen walking up to a barrier on a trip to Tain-l'Hermitage outside the city of Valence.

A man slaps Mr Macron in the face before officers quickly move in. The president, meanwhile, is pulled away.

Two men have been arrested in the wake of the incident, according to French media.

As the president is slapped, the words "Down with Macron-ism" are shouted.

https://twitter.com/AlexpLille/status/1402237903376367627

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57402753

Sacre bleu! :anhuld
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on June 08, 2021, 11:53:10 AM
Better fight than Paul Vs Mayweather
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 08, 2021, 04:01:12 PM
lmao Macron always tells those crowds to find jobs or something else insulting.

Slap is deserved  :heh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 08, 2021, 07:02:58 PM
Quote from: Raist on June 08, 2021, 06:35:03 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-57388414

Quote
The British government agreed to the protocol in late 2019 but there have been some problems since it came into operation in January this year, and the UK is now seeking changes.

George Eustice, the UK's Agriculture Minister, described the chilled meats issue as "bonkers" on Radio 4's Today programme on Tuesday.

On Monday, the UK's Brexit Minister Lord Frost admitted the UK had "underestimated" the effect of the protocol on goods movements to Northern Ireland.

In an article in the Financial Times, he accused the EU of "legal purism" and called for "pragmatic solutions between friends, not the imposition of one side's rules on the other".


Legal purism :dead

Brexit circus just keeps on going.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on June 08, 2021, 09:42:28 PM
https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1402222847100063745
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on June 08, 2021, 09:47:22 PM
https://twitter.com/thefourth_party/status/1402038827422830592
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 09, 2021, 01:44:23 PM
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1402659741738885120 (https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1402659741738885120)

 :gbcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on June 09, 2021, 04:46:06 PM
If Boris was to, say, accidentally fall down those stairs and die, who would theoretically be the next PM? Is there anyone competent in the wings in the Conservatives?

Clearly Labour are a fucking joke, so that's the only hope for the UK at this point, right?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on June 09, 2021, 04:49:36 PM
Would be Raab as interim PM, till the tory party votes for their new party leader who would become the de facto PM.

As for anyone being competent, lolz.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 09, 2021, 06:03:33 PM
Quote from: Potato on June 09, 2021, 04:46:06 PM
If Boris was to, say, accidentally fall down those stairs and die, who would theoretically be the next PM? Is there anyone competent in the wings in the Conservatives?

Clearly Labour are a fucking joke, so that's the only hope for the UK at this point, right?

Michael Gove would be the new leader and it won't be long before he pushes Boris down the stairs. Either for real or politically

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on June 10, 2021, 04:49:45 AM
Sunak is the main man waiting in the wings.

Gove is far too ugly to ever be top dog.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on June 10, 2021, 11:47:15 AM
"Listen BoBo, stop being a little shit and implement that NI protocol already"

"Y-yes Daddy"

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2021/6/10/b12f818d-f920-4777-a2cd-3b7dd598b4fd.jpg)

 :biden :gbcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on June 10, 2021, 12:00:26 PM
is biden secretly massive or has boris been a manlet all along?

:titus
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 10, 2021, 04:03:18 PM
Quote from: Pissy F Benny on June 10, 2021, 12:00:26 PM
is biden secretly massive or has boris been a manlet all along?

:titus

(https://i.imgur.com/pl7YkPD.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: OnlyRegret on June 10, 2021, 10:30:39 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 08, 2021, 09:47:22 PM
https://twitter.com/thefourth_party/status/1402038827422830592

https://twitter.com/T4RIG/status/1402303310846173190
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 11, 2021, 10:43:22 AM
(https://abload.de/img/e3m4d8pxwasivum5xkyi.jpg)

From left to right

Trudeau Castro, A Belgian tourist, Uncle Joe, salary man, captain wanker, literally a central banker, the head of Spectre, the bureaucrat, unf*ckable lard-arse
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on June 11, 2021, 01:35:59 PM
says "G7" but there's nine :rollsafe
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 11, 2021, 01:40:50 PM
(https://abload.de/img/e3nc3max0aqqgl49skcc.jpg)

 :maduro
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on June 11, 2021, 07:11:12 PM
https://twitter.com/brfreed/status/1403415150045052934
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on June 14, 2021, 02:49:29 AM
https://twitter.com/NTarnopolsky/status/1404098876454412292
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on June 14, 2021, 03:28:25 AM
https://twitter.com/basialcummings/status/1370726312432836609

 :lol

What the fuck Polska bore?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: chronovore on June 14, 2021, 03:32:28 AM
This is the real-world Doogie Howser reboot we didn't know we wanted.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on June 14, 2021, 04:02:05 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 14, 2021, 02:49:29 AM
https://twitter.com/NTarnopolsky/status/1404098876454412292

Biden refused to bomb the trucks bringing food and medicine to the Palestinians

:rage
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 14, 2021, 03:21:17 PM
https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1404512788966514689 (https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1404512788966514689)

Zelensky says they're joining NATO
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on June 15, 2021, 12:39:20 AM
Quote from: Nintex on June 14, 2021, 03:21:17 PM
Zelensky says they're joining NATO
https://twitter.com/Kevinliptakcnn/status/1404519526495141895
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on June 16, 2021, 05:06:07 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/15/british-nationals-in-france-face-losing-rights-if-they-miss-residency-deadline-brexit

Considering how much time those folks had to apply I doubt they can be bothered to do it. And then will probably cry that they lost their rights :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 16, 2021, 08:55:04 AM
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1405145067950690308 (https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1405145067950690308)

https://twitter.com/Yamiche/status/1405131445572575236 (https://twitter.com/Yamiche/status/1405131445572575236)

:biden
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on June 16, 2021, 09:43:12 AM
first hillary kills from beyond the grave, now she's trying to dictate policy from her throne next to satan in hell :stahp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on June 16, 2021, 04:15:13 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/thehill/status/1405219989712424966

Can you imagine such a world?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 16, 2021, 05:36:01 PM
(https://21stcenturywire.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Nuland-Fuck-the-EU.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: jorma on June 18, 2021, 11:07:32 AM
Quote from: Skullfuckers Anonymous on June 16, 2021, 04:15:13 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/thehill/status/1405219989712424966

Can you imagine such a world?

 :dead

I thought Trump was the one who liked to do a little trolling  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 18, 2021, 07:09:49 PM
(https://abload.de/img/e4laovewuaypf3v7pjz9.jpg)

"Do you feel you are free to voice your political opinion or do you think you should be careful?"
(west Germany up until 1980)

"People can freely voice their opinion" (blue)
 
"It is better to cautious" (red)

Cancel culture does not exist
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on June 22, 2021, 05:19:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYeS0xtCB1c


Well done Nerys :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 22, 2021, 07:06:48 PM
At least they took back control
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 24, 2021, 01:17:25 PM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1408109718825013250 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1408109718825013250)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on June 25, 2021, 08:25:56 AM
https://twitter.com/docrussjackson/status/1408336971513073667

Aaaaaaaaah shit. Let's find a distraction.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15388014/matt-hancock-secret-affair-with-aide/

:lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 25, 2021, 09:29:42 AM
So Boris was wrong, he's not fucking useless?  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on June 25, 2021, 10:15:19 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57612441

Quote
Ms Coladangelo, who has known the health secretary since they worked together on student radio at Oxford University, was made a non-executive director of the Department of Health last September.

The role comes with a Ł15,000 salary and involves 15 to 20 days of work per year.

Last November the Times reported that Mr Hancock had failed to declare their friendship when appointing Ms Coladangelo as an adviser in March last year.

She held the role for six months before becoming a member of the Department of Health's non-executive board.


:marimo


Quote
In May last year, epidemiologist Professor Neil Ferguson resigned from the government's scientific advisory group (SAGE) after it emerged he had broken lockdown rules when a woman he was reportedly in a relationship with visited his home.

At the time Mr Hancock called Prof Ferguson's actions "extraordinary", adding that social distancing rules were "there for everyone" and were "deadly serious".


:marimo


Quote
Downing Street said Boris Johnson accepted Mr Hancock's apology and "considers the matter closed".


:marimo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 25, 2021, 11:28:03 AM
Boris is smart, with Matt around he has a scapegoat :doge


We've taken up the brexiteer mantle, but our game is different we tell others to leave  :lol

https://twitter.com/JuditVarga_EU/status/1408105943292944391 (https://twitter.com/JuditVarga_EU/status/1408105943292944391)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on June 25, 2021, 11:57:28 AM
a tory mp/minister having an affair is the most who gives a shit thing ever, its basically expected or assumed.

i feel a little bit sorry for handcock, he's a useless wanker, but he's basically been kept around for a year just as for the sacrifice when boris needed one.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 25, 2021, 12:41:12 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/YnF1TT6.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on June 25, 2021, 12:47:43 PM
and boris is sticking by him cos its ovbious that this is obviously all coming from dominic cummings :lol :lol :lol

i wonder if handcock actually realises he's been set up as the fall guy all along :o
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 25, 2021, 01:24:47 PM
Boris Johnson was not as stupid as Cummings thought he was.
That is what scared him the most and why he quit.
That behind all the theatrics he was just another lackey at the court of Alexander Boris de Pfeifel Johnson and Larry the Cat.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on June 26, 2021, 05:38:54 AM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15390073/matt-hancock-affair-video-kiss-gina-coladangelo-boris-news-latest/


Smooth :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 26, 2021, 07:23:54 AM
Reading up on all this it sounds like they knew each other for a long time and the wife probably knew as well.

Hiring her with public money, breaking the COVID rules and this:
Quote
Gina’s dad, Rino Coladangelo, 70, is a millionaire businessman who is the boss of the international pharmaceutical company Rephine.
Seems the most 'problematic'

I think Cummings shot another blank with Hancock dating outside of his league.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 26, 2021, 02:12:21 PM
Hanchad has resigned

https://twitter.com/MattHancock/status/1408836570069753858 (https://twitter.com/MattHancock/status/1408836570069753858)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Tycoon Padre on June 27, 2021, 07:49:34 PM
Quote from: Nintex on June 26, 2021, 02:12:21 PM
Hanchad has resigned

https://twitter.com/MattHancock/status/1408836570069753858 (https://twitter.com/MattHancock/status/1408836570069753858)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8t6KRstWIk
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on June 29, 2021, 02:28:46 AM
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/28/north-korea-kim-jong-un-emaciated-looks-496718
(https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2021/06/28/ap21179307833133_wide-f2096a643dc0483b1c0424a32649032d1f13c090-s800-c85.webp)
Quote
Heartbroken North Koreans have been worrying tearfully about leader Kim Jong Un's “emaciated looks,” state media quoted a local resident as saying, in a rare acknowledgment of foreign speculation about his weight loss.

...

“Our people’s hearts ached most when we saw (Kim’s) emaciated looks,” North Korean state TV cited the unidentified male resident wearing a straw hat as saying on Friday. “Everyone says their tears are welling up in their eyes naturally.”

In recent state media photos, Kim has appeared to have lost a considerable amount of weight. Some North Korea watchers said Kim, who is about 5 feet, 8 inches tall and has previously weighed 308 pounds, may have lost 22-44 pounds.
:juche
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on June 29, 2021, 02:42:35 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 29, 2021, 02:28:46 AM
“Our people’s hearts ached most when we saw (Kim’s) emaciated looks,” North Korean state TV cited the unidentified male resident wearing a straw hat as saying on Friday. “Everyone says their tears are welling up in their eyes naturally.”

Weird seeing dry British humour coming from a North Korean farmer
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 29, 2021, 11:16:34 AM
I hear North Koreans are big fans of Father Ted.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on June 30, 2021, 04:48:14 PM
https://twitter.com/SamiraAhmedUK/status/1410274918357508105
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2021, 11:03:58 AM
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1410960556358569984

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1410820160185843721
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https://twitter.com/EleniCourea/status/1410882523693977606
[close]
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 02, 2021, 12:40:44 PM
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1410902612329836546 (https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1410902612329836546)

 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on July 02, 2021, 07:15:02 PM
The 2nd of July will forever be known as independence day in Canada.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on July 03, 2021, 11:35:38 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1411137480389181440

 :biden

We’re back Jack!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 03, 2021, 01:11:20 PM
:maduro
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 04, 2021, 06:09:11 AM
https://twitter.com/EzzatMehrdad/status/1411389429470617601 (https://twitter.com/EzzatMehrdad/status/1411389429470617601)

https://twitter.com/WorldBreakingN9/status/1411620952836915207 (https://twitter.com/WorldBreakingN9/status/1411620952836915207)

https://twitter.com/TOLOnews/status/1411638264725917696 (https://twitter.com/TOLOnews/status/1411638264725917696)

https://twitter.com/WorldBreakingN9/status/1411637329291354115 (https://twitter.com/WorldBreakingN9/status/1411637329291354115)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 05, 2021, 09:46:30 AM
https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1412020397730631682 (https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1412020397730631682)

20 years folks

https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1412064282674671617 (https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1412064282674671617)

Quote
we told them: Do your work as it was. We haven’t even changed the stamps. The reason is that we don’t want to create problems for businessmen, for traders, for common people.”

Quote
“The tax that used to be taken by the government is now taken by the Taliban—but the Taliban charge a smaller amount,” he said.

Small government Taliban cuts taxes and regulations :success

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on July 05, 2021, 11:55:33 AM
*The ghost of Ronald Reagan smiles upon the Taliban and their commitment to low taxation, and rewards them with a cache of Stinger missiles.*
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 05, 2021, 01:20:19 PM
The canary in the coal mine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-vB3WlAk2c
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HardcoreRetro on July 05, 2021, 01:36:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxv1Zs0gMMk
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2021, 01:01:58 AM
https://twitter.com/BBCYaldaHakim/status/1412052460278095877

 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HardcoreRetro on July 06, 2021, 03:38:20 PM
The Netherland's biggest crime reporter, Peter R. De Vries, got shot in the head 2 hours ago.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 06, 2021, 03:55:01 PM
Quote from: HardcoreRetro on July 06, 2021, 03:38:20 PM
The Netherland's biggest crime reporter, Peter R. De Vries, got shot in the head 2 hours ago.
Such things happen in a narco state.

Your Keti Koti celebration is disturbed by organized hits.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on July 07, 2021, 08:53:42 AM
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/haitian-president-shot-dead-home-overnight-pm-2021-07-07/

Quote
PORT-AU-PRINCE, July 7 (Reuters) - Haitian President Jovenel Moise was shot dead by unidentified attackers in his private residence overnight in a "barbaric act", the government said on Wednesday, stirring fears of escalating turmoil in the impoverished Caribbean nation.

The assassination coincided with a wave of gang violence in Port-au-Prince as armed groups have battled with police and one another for control of the streetsin recent months, turning many districts of the capital into no-go zones.

The 53-year-old president's wife, Martine Moise, was also shot in the attack that took place around 1 a.m. local time (0500 GMT) and was receiving medical treatment, Interim Prime Minister Claude Joseph said in a statement.

"A group of unidentified individuals, some of them speaking Spanish, attacked the private residence of the president of the republic and thus fatally wounded the head of state,” he said.

Joseph said the police and army had the security situation under control though gunfire could be heard throughout the crime-ridden capital of 1 million people after the attack.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 07, 2021, 11:13:05 AM
Quote
Haitian President Jovenel Moise was shot dead
Quote
Joseph said the police and army had the security situation under control

 :yeshrug
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on July 07, 2021, 06:18:23 PM
Quote from: who is ted danson? on July 05, 2021, 11:55:33 AM
*The ghost of Ronald Reagan smiles upon the Taliban and their commitment to low taxation, and rewards them with a cache of Stinger missiles.*
https://youtu.be/f37xrmiqmnU

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 07, 2021, 06:38:44 PM
https://twitter.com/laraseligman/status/1412896865360744453 (https://twitter.com/laraseligman/status/1412896865360744453)

https://twitter.com/DailyMirror/status/1412899979845410818 (https://twitter.com/DailyMirror/status/1412899979845410818)

It's over, the Taliban defeated NATO :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 08, 2021, 08:06:19 AM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1413104185671929861 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1413104185671929861)

NATO takes another L from the brave Mujahadeen
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 09, 2021, 02:56:23 PM
https://twitter.com/WorldBreakingN9/status/1413561196368773121 (https://twitter.com/WorldBreakingN9/status/1413561196368773121)

:rimshot
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 09, 2021, 03:54:01 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-57766749

Quote
Seventeen suspects have been detained so far. Haitian authorities say two are believed to hold dual U.S.-Haitian citizenship, while 15 of the detainees are from Colombia.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 09, 2021, 03:57:52 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on July 09, 2021, 03:54:01 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-57766749

Quote
Seventeen suspects have been detained so far. Haitian authorities say two are believed to hold dual U.S.-Haitian citizenship, while 15 of the detainees are from Colombia.
https://twitter.com/jinxpr0/status/1413311945277644802 (https://twitter.com/jinxpr0/status/1413311945277644802)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on July 10, 2021, 05:37:06 AM
https://twitter.com/M_AndersonSF/status/1413525227280248832

 :whoo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 10, 2021, 01:20:30 PM
Quote from: HardcoreRetro on July 06, 2021, 03:38:20 PM
The Netherland's biggest crime reporter, Peter R. De Vries, got shot in the head 2 hours ago.
And now the show he frequently attended is cancelled because of a threat

https://twitter.com/scruffy65/status/1413900550031163403 (https://twitter.com/scruffy65/status/1413900550031163403)

Our clown government has lost complete control
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2021, 12:02:30 PM
https://twitter.com/GiancarloSopo/status/1414612938854440970
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 12, 2021, 03:39:24 PM
https://twitter.com/rinmor/status/1414473851866599430 (https://twitter.com/rinmor/status/1414473851866599430)

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1414569721689690116 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1414569721689690116)

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1414560446699524106 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1414560446699524106)

Another Canary in the coal mine.

That's Lebanon, Afghanistan, South Africa and Cuba in complete chaos.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on July 12, 2021, 03:47:54 PM
Have any of those countries ever not been in a state of complete chaos?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 12, 2021, 06:37:08 PM
Quote from: Potato on July 12, 2021, 03:47:54 PM
Have any of those countries ever not been in a state of complete chaos?
To some degree yes but even the countries themselves are alarmed by how things are going.
I forgot about Haiti now asking the US to send troops to help stabilize the situation.

A big mess that one also.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 14, 2021, 01:09:25 PM
One riot ends
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1415302929481928706 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1415302929481928706)

Another begins
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1415332268084801539 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1415332268084801539)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2021, 01:39:32 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/14/bolsonaro-brazil-hospital-hiccups
Quote
The Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro has been admitted to hospital complaining of abdominal pain after being struck down by an unremitting bout of the hiccups which has lasted for more than 10 days.

Bolsonaro, 66, was reportedly taken to military hospital in the capital Brasília at about 4am on Wednesday, with one prominent Brazilian journalist claiming the president was suffering from a bowel obstruction.
Damn liberal truckers!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 15, 2021, 11:27:22 AM
https://twitter.com/pitbull/status/1415402104772993024 (https://twitter.com/pitbull/status/1415402104772993024)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 16, 2021, 07:40:30 AM
https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1414971285160005634 (https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1414971285160005634)

China threatens nuclear war with Japan over Taiwan.
'Exception' to Chinese nuclear doctrine is attacking Japan with nukes until they surrender unconditionally to preserve the peaceful expansion of China.

Add nuclear war to your 2021 bingo card
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Mostima on July 16, 2021, 08:23:53 AM
Quote from: Nintex on July 16, 2021, 07:40:30 AM
https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1414971285160005634 (https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1414971285160005634)

China threatens nuclear war with Japan over Taiwan.
'Exception' to Chinese nuclear doctrine is attacking Japan with nukes until they surrender unconditionally to preserve the peaceful expansion of China.

Add nuclear war to your 2021 bingo card

Take what you hear from Jennifer Zeng with a grain of salt, she's just some Falun Gong nut.
(https://i.imgur.com/6MUJerT.png)

https://twitter.com/GeraldC_Brown/status/1415651046114959360

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on July 16, 2021, 08:28:28 AM
Why do people feel the need to lie about politics. Reality is horrible enough as it is already
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 16, 2021, 09:41:01 AM
Crossover event, looters in the evacuated flooded areas in Belgium, Germany and the Netherlands  :trumps

This guy entered the flooded zone to defend the home of his parents
https://twitter.com/jeroenwetzels/status/1415975196952088578 (https://twitter.com/jeroenwetzels/status/1415975196952088578)

Even though the rains have ended a dyke has suddenly been breached, emergency services are rushing to evacuate
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6a11zqX0AMd2Fw?format=jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on July 16, 2021, 12:59:25 PM
Quote from: Transhuman on July 16, 2021, 08:28:28 AM
Why do people feel the need to lie about politics. Reality is horrible enough as it is already
it's like building a resume and the jobs pay very well if you can snag one. become a contributor on any of the big news orgs, then maybe a regular and you're on your way to a cushy job making millions to bullshit on tv  :success
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 16, 2021, 02:47:21 PM
The new global leadership  :klob

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1415693603356258304 (https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1415693603356258304)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on July 19, 2021, 03:11:16 PM
https://twitter.com/ConSelfOwns/status/1417195554988306438

The final straw
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 20, 2021, 01:31:26 PM
https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1417495142865514504 (https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1417495142865514504)

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 20, 2021, 02:23:36 PM
MORE bureaucracy :gbcry

Like I voted remain cuz it seemed like the safe choice, but anyone who actively dick rides the EU is fucked in the head :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 20, 2021, 04:48:47 PM
Recently a German politician of some sort said that the Dutch should not complain so much because the EU ended the wars and it cannot only be measured in terms of growth, wealth and success.

Even worse than the financial shit is the new green deal from Frans Timmermans.
I mean, holy shit the man just plans to circumvent every national parliament with his 10 year plan and the MSM is hard at work convincing people that the heavy rains were caused by climate change making it all the more easy to ram it through.

Hell in a Dutch talkshow funded by the tax payer some soyboy and a virologist in the pocket of the Chinese tried to make the case that the pandemic and flood were somehow interlinked.
There's more virologists than diversity activists on TV these days, why you ask? Subsidies, that's why.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 20, 2021, 06:17:02 PM
Woah there's a new disaster folks
https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1417588876135198720 (https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1417588876135198720)

https://twitter.com/mag1c14/status/1417536704391483392 (https://twitter.com/mag1c14/status/1417536704391483392)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on July 20, 2021, 11:55:05 PM
Gee, I wonder what the world was like before climate change? You know, when we didn't have natural disasters? Must have been some sort of utopia...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 21, 2021, 02:06:52 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1417515722054459395 (https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1417515722054459395)

The whole thing is here for how long it lasts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmG2SpjuxiY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmG2SpjuxiY)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on July 22, 2021, 04:10:13 AM
Your weekly "these agreements for a winning oven-ready deal we signed are bad, stop being meanies, let's redraw them" episode.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57911148

Quote
The UK has unveiled a new set of demands to redraw the post-Brexit trading arrangements it agreed with the EU for Northern Ireland.

The government said border checks on goods from Great Britain it signed up to in the 2019 Brexit divorce deal had proved unsustainable.

Brexit Minister Lord Frost said they risked harming business, and were damaging the "fabric" of the UK.

It's almost like Brexit was inevitably going to cause this no matter what and when they were told since 2015 they went

(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/elderly-woman-covering-her-ears-elderly-man-covering-his-women-men-eyes-isolated-white-background-82918978.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on July 22, 2021, 05:28:33 AM
At this point it's not even funny to laugh at Brexit problems. It's just...sad.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on July 22, 2021, 05:47:31 AM
Breaking the GFA and watching the colonies kick off again

 :gbcry :maduro
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on July 22, 2021, 07:28:12 AM
Meanwhile in Spain:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rBr4BWndrQ
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 22, 2021, 01:33:52 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1418230091201622024 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1418230091201622024)

How dare you say Boris Johnson is a liar  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on July 22, 2021, 02:53:09 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57930799

Quote
The spokesman added: "Solutions could not be found through the existing mechanisms of the protocol. That was why we had set out proposals for significant changes to it.

"There is a huge opportunity to find reasonable, practical solutions to the difficulties facing people and businesses in Northern Ireland, and thereby to put the relationship between the UK and the EU on a better footing.

"We didn't expect the EU to take such a purist or maximalist approach… we've not called for the scrapping of the protocol at this time."

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 22, 2021, 02:59:28 PM
Their main problem seems to be that the EU has an army of bureaucrats and negotiators specifically trained for this kind of thing.

And all the UK has to deal with this issue is Boris and his wife who everyone at no 10 fears.
Maybe he should send his wife to negotiate?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 24, 2021, 03:48:18 PM
Today is campaign day  ???

https://twitter.com/Libra08101/status/1418966100767875080 (https://twitter.com/Libra08101/status/1418966100767875080)

https://twitter.com/JustMookie/status/1419019155165130755 (https://twitter.com/JustMookie/status/1419019155165130755)

https://twitter.com/AndrewSolender/status/1418726936470294532 (https://twitter.com/AndrewSolender/status/1418726936470294532)

https://twitter.com/RastaRedpill/status/1419020232790794240 (https://twitter.com/RastaRedpill/status/1419020232790794240)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on July 26, 2021, 02:41:09 AM
Quote from: Nintex on July 22, 2021, 02:59:28 PM
Their main problem seems to be that the EU has an army of bureaucrats and negotiators specifically trained for this kind of thing.


Their main problem is that Brexit is fundamentally and irremediably incompatible with the GFA.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 26, 2021, 05:10:00 AM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1419550383395930117 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1419550383395930117)

So ends the arab spring
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 26, 2021, 07:52:30 PM
https://twitter.com/apexworldnews/status/1419690949568049152 (https://twitter.com/apexworldnews/status/1419690949568049152)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on July 30, 2021, 03:06:37 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58021394

All according to план :putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 30, 2021, 08:32:41 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7W_AH_WEAE8USQ?format=jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7YJU3jWUAAjVl1?format=jpg)

:info
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on July 30, 2021, 01:07:53 PM
what's covid like in afghanistan?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 01, 2021, 01:53:08 PM
https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1421881668470812675 (https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1421881668470812675)

Inflation in the sheets
Call of Duty in the streets
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on August 02, 2021, 10:24:03 PM
https://twitter.com/sarahemclaugh/status/1422235818761105410

 :hitler
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on August 03, 2021, 04:57:14 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58065313

Quote
Vitaly Shishov's body was found hanged in a park in Kyiv, a day after he failed to return from a jog. Police have opened a murder inquiry.

Police said they were investigating whether he had been killed and his death made to look like suicide.

Oh I'm sure that's totally not the case at all.

And this has nothing to do with the Belarus athlete who asked for asylum - especially when her husband and kid fled to the Ukraine.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 03, 2021, 05:30:54 AM
https://twitter.com/Putin_it_to_ya/status/1422019482038456331 (https://twitter.com/Putin_it_to_ya/status/1422019482038456331)
Quote
“Look what our athletes are doing, and especially their wives. 'Athletes' receive large amounts of money. So what do your wives want to work for? They are sitting, finger on their iPhones. And they are all opponents, “

Lukashenko is just on an entirely different level. This might ignite big protests again which is maybe what that sick fuck wants?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: T-Short on August 03, 2021, 09:01:20 AM
https://twitter.com/annalecta/status/1422260030288666628

 :heart
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 03, 2021, 05:27:48 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1422662333101445126 (https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1422662333101445126)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 04, 2021, 06:40:42 PM
French fire fighters will go on strike until vaccine passports are ruled out

https://twitter.com/faspppats/status/1422866982895079429 (https://twitter.com/faspppats/status/1422866982895079429)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 05, 2021, 04:48:35 PM
https://twitter.com/yzarka/status/1423286143357898756 (https://twitter.com/yzarka/status/1423286143357898756)

Quote
Hussein-Ali Montazeri named Raisi as one of the four persons involved in the 1988 executions [...] an alternative estimation suggests that the number exceeded 30,000.[57] Because of the large number, prisoners were loaded into forklift trucks in groups of six and hanged from cranes in half-hour intervals.

Sounds like a party I'd skip if invited :idont
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 08, 2021, 07:00:16 AM
Kunduz has fallen, won't be long now

https://twitter.com/worldonalert/status/1424313452160561158 (https://twitter.com/worldonalert/status/1424313452160561158)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: chronovore on August 08, 2021, 12:44:29 PM
Quote from: Raist on July 22, 2021, 02:53:09 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57930799

Quote
The spokesman added: "Solutions could not be found through the existing mechanisms of the protocol. That was why we had set out proposals for significant changes to it.

"There is a huge opportunity to find reasonable, practical solutions to the difficulties facing people and businesses in Northern Ireland, and thereby to put the relationship between the UK and the EU on a better footing.

"We didn't expect the EU to take such a purist or maximalist approach… we've not called for the scrapping of the protocol at this time."

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

This is like when a guy breaks up with his girlfriend, and she agrees and goes about her life, then he comes crawling back when he hasn’t found anybody else to have sex with and wants to “talk about terms.“

Edit: autocorrect error
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 08, 2021, 01:39:14 PM
Who could've thought that implementing the Cummings fan fiction with a bunch of backstabbing cunts was not a good basis for government.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 09, 2021, 05:16:21 PM
https://twitter.com/tianran/status/1424824197642178562 (https://twitter.com/tianran/status/1424824197642178562)

You know what would fix things?

LEADERSHIP CHALLENGE  :hyper

https://twitter.com/GeorgeAylett/status/1424834050141872133 (https://twitter.com/GeorgeAylett/status/1424834050141872133)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 10, 2021, 01:58:19 PM
https://twitter.com/ashoswai/status/1425146016655937538 (https://twitter.com/ashoswai/status/1425146016655937538)

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1425144921141379073 (https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1425144921141379073)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 10, 2021, 02:01:47 PM
can't we just hire the taliban, they seem p good at this war thing  ???
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 10, 2021, 02:16:12 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/5j6diz.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 10, 2021, 07:15:55 PM
https://twitter.com/axios/status/1425230070852030469 (https://twitter.com/axios/status/1425230070852030469)

https://twitter.com/CBSEveningNews/status/1425229812889800705 (https://twitter.com/CBSEveningNews/status/1425229812889800705)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 11, 2021, 02:14:10 PM
https://twitter.com/MayadeenEnglish/status/1425439276746084353


 :stahp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 12, 2021, 07:51:28 AM
https://twitter.com/Muneebyousaf/status/1425733435570655235 (https://twitter.com/Muneebyousaf/status/1425733435570655235)

https://twitter.com/Tariq__mashal/status/1425778736050409474 (https://twitter.com/Tariq__mashal/status/1425778736050409474)

https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1425756417617801222 (https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1425756417617801222)

dem bois got drones now :mynicca

https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1425750067282128898 (https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1425750067282128898)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 12, 2021, 01:06:36 PM
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1425863220640813057 (https://twitter.com/AP/status/1425863220640813057)

 :kermit

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1425855870957768710 (https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1425855870957768710)

Quote
American negotiators try to get assurances from the Taliban that they will not attack the embassy if the capital is overrun.
Woke means you lose :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 12, 2021, 02:27:21 PM
https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1425883695173586951 (https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1425883695173586951)
https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1425886249580118021 (https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1425886249580118021)

It's all going fast now.

(https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1425894042907430915)

3000 US troops and 600 Brits en route to Kabul now.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 12, 2021, 07:29:56 PM
https://twitter.com/LouiseMensch/status/1425883632053465093 (https://twitter.com/LouiseMensch/status/1425883632053465093)

Maybe telling Biden there's 12 year olds that can sit on his lap can help prevent a slaughter :yeshrug
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 12, 2021, 10:11:51 PM
taliban are the only ones qualified to run that place tbh. nobody will ever start war with afghanistan again, they beat the champions of world war 2 back to back. after 20 years the people of afganistan will finally know peace  :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on August 13, 2021, 03:27:02 AM
https://twitter.com/SpoilOfWar/status/1426073433918611458

https://twitter.com/SpoilOfWar/status/1425902507742670849
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 13, 2021, 05:37:09 AM
https://twitter.com/Lone_wolf110/status/1426105187169542158 (https://twitter.com/Lone_wolf110/status/1426105187169542158)

https://twitter.com/WakeelK43425369/status/1426084344620363777 (https://twitter.com/WakeelK43425369/status/1426084344620363777)

https://twitter.com/KazmiWajahat/status/1426110312005177348 (https://twitter.com/KazmiWajahat/status/1426110312005177348)

https://twitter.com/Rashid_OfficiaI/status/1426101430595768320 (https://twitter.com/Rashid_OfficiaI/status/1426101430595768320)

Tuk'r Al Carlson
https://twitter.com/WasiqAhmadullah/status/1426113944503078916 (https://twitter.com/WasiqAhmadullah/status/1426113944503078916)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 13, 2021, 12:26:41 PM
Quote
A swaggering warlord with an affinity for booze and hookers — who once allegedly ordered a soldier accused of stealing to be flattened by a tank — has reportedly vowed to lead the fight against the marauding Taliban in Afghanistan.

“This time I will really kill you!” declared Abdul Rashid Dostum, a 67-year-old militia leader and former Afghan vice president who has just returned from medical treatment in Turkey, the Sun reported.

https://nypost.com/2021/08/13/afghan-warlord-accused-of-war-crimes-returns-with-vow-to-vanquish-taliban (https://nypost.com/2021/08/13/afghan-warlord-accused-of-war-crimes-returns-with-vow-to-vanquish-taliban)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 13, 2021, 12:55:55 PM
it's the real life mad max outchea  :lawd


afghanistan is like the libertarian paradise. everything they want exists out there  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 13, 2021, 01:54:09 PM
https://twitter.com/WakeelK43425369/status/1426207534768066567 (https://twitter.com/WakeelK43425369/status/1426207534768066567)

Everyone seems happy they're getting 12 year olds and free trucks.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 13, 2021, 02:36:17 PM
finally a true libertarian moment  :american
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 13, 2021, 05:36:02 PM
https://twitter.com/HinduAfghan/status/1426255503194091521 (https://twitter.com/HinduAfghan/status/1426255503194091521)

https://twitter.com/EleanorMontague/status/1426295190797668364 (https://twitter.com/EleanorMontague/status/1426295190797668364)

Also reports that the Taliban is cutting off the power to Kabul. US troops will be in place 'by sunday' .   :wut

Biden was right that it wouldn't be like Vietnam. They're on course to do the Iranian Hostage Crisis, Saigon and Benghazi speedrun  :kermit

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8rf8nfX0AES2fd?format=jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 14, 2021, 05:41:44 AM
https://twitter.com/VetSouf/status/1426477983833985024 (https://twitter.com/VetSouf/status/1426477983833985024)

https://twitter.com/NicolaCareem/status/1426424111299928064 (https://twitter.com/NicolaCareem/status/1426424111299928064)
 :o
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on August 14, 2021, 07:27:03 AM
History is a tragedy, not a morality tale
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 14, 2021, 02:19:51 PM
https://twitter.com/CPC_HQ/status/1426242355422765056

https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal-election/2021/08/14/conservatives-launch-attack-ad-called-dumb-by-their-own-party-members.html

Here is hoping the CPC gets stomped in the election. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 14, 2021, 05:31:16 PM
Biden has send 5000 troops and US has asked Taliban to hold off their advance into the Capitol until they are evacuated.

Taliban have now apparently cut power to the city completely and have already reached the outskirts of the city

https://twitter.com/IndoPakInfo/status/1426655036487069699 (https://twitter.com/IndoPakInfo/status/1426655036487069699)

as for the guy that ran over soldiers with tanks

https://twitter.com/IntelTweet/status/1426652817859751940 (https://twitter.com/IntelTweet/status/1426652817859751940)

Small pockets of Taliban already entering Kabul

https://twitter.com/hyperboreSan/status/1426655737103720448 (https://twitter.com/hyperboreSan/status/1426655737103720448)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 14, 2021, 06:27:34 PM
More Taliban pouring into Kabul
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1426670171331117057 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1426670171331117057)

https://twitter.com/ColomBian0313/status/1426669215579258880 (https://twitter.com/ColomBian0313/status/1426669215579258880)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 14, 2021, 07:07:55 PM
https://twitter.com/KazmiWajahat/status/1426674709509332992 (https://twitter.com/KazmiWajahat/status/1426674709509332992)

Not sure who the idiot was that closed Bagram first but now Kabul is completely surrounded and cut off and the Taliban are closing in on the airfield.
Once they take it, there's no way out for the coalition troops and citizens there.

Rumors circling that the government is already negotiating the surrender of the city with the Taliban.
Dostum and his allies say there was a conspiracy to hand the country to the Taliban

https://twitter.com/tobyharnden/status/1426680407475511305 (https://twitter.com/tobyharnden/status/1426680407475511305)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 15, 2021, 01:22:35 AM
https://twitter.com/ihaveneckpain/status/1426627044264136705
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 15, 2021, 01:39:51 AM
are things bad in lebanon more than usual? cafe dolce in solvang is posting on social media no power or fuel and other essentials  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 15, 2021, 05:18:04 AM
https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/1426831081605586948 (https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/1426831081605586948)
https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/1426832597003423746 (https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/1426832597003423746)

Taliban says they intend to grant their domestic enemies amnesty. Turkey is evacuating the airport.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 15, 2021, 06:13:50 AM
https://twitter.com/sbalcerac/status/1426845513903640576 (https://twitter.com/sbalcerac/status/1426845513903640576)

 :rimshot


https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1426846141434503169 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1426846141434503169)

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/ae6m4ljnl69urJ539F/200.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: T-Short on August 15, 2021, 08:52:39 AM
https://twitter.com/Rimmy_Downunder/status/1426838276703330310

thread is wild
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 15, 2021, 09:31:33 AM
https://twitter.com/Rimmy_Downunder/status/1426878991630094336 (https://twitter.com/Rimmy_Downunder/status/1426878991630094336)

:lawd
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 15, 2021, 09:37:08 AM
https://twitter.com/mq_zarmalwal/status/1426899477168738307 (https://twitter.com/mq_zarmalwal/status/1426899477168738307)

Reject modernity embrace tradition
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on August 15, 2021, 11:33:52 AM
(https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/kfsXorKZMg.jpg?format=webp)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 15, 2021, 11:57:22 AM
https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/1426931119103135749 (https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/1426931119103135749)

Michael Bay intensifies

https://twitter.com/ASLuhn/status/1426935923732848642 (https://twitter.com/ASLuhn/status/1426935923732848642)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on August 15, 2021, 12:07:31 PM
The Superfriends just got called in to help in Afghanistan.

 https://mobile.twitter.com/marwilliamson/status/1426894780697612293
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 15, 2021, 02:32:43 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E82hK3cWUAMcqFa?format=jpg)

https://twitter.com/etribune/status/1426972264738738180 (https://twitter.com/etribune/status/1426972264738738180)

Chocolate or strawberry Mr. President? :trumps

https://twitter.com/arjunchander_/status/1426975901644771328 (https://twitter.com/arjunchander_/status/1426975901644771328)

Thanks Obama for releasing the brave Mujahideen
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 15, 2021, 02:51:04 PM
pictures giving me the same feel as when the capitol in DC was stormed  :doge


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 15, 2021, 03:17:00 PM
People try to crawl on planes to GTFO. Taliban is already executing folks who worked for 'the enemy'.

Biden is overseeing the biggest disaster in NATO history.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8xf0z-XEAY_GVU?format=jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E82ydBUXoAAlgfY?format=png)

Obviously the dems take to Twitter where they are instantly ratio'd

https://twitter.com/ComfortablySmug/status/1426951647272521738 (https://twitter.com/ComfortablySmug/status/1426951647272521738)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 15, 2021, 03:56:12 PM
US now fighting at the airport

https://twitter.com/jseldin/status/1426989373329973253 (https://twitter.com/jseldin/status/1426989373329973253)

https://twitter.com/MeghUpdates/status/1426992822876401668 (https://twitter.com/MeghUpdates/status/1426992822876401668)

The Ambassador left but thousands are still left behind.

https://twitter.com/saadmohseni/status/1427000691407654914 (https://twitter.com/saadmohseni/status/1427000691407654914)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 15, 2021, 05:58:43 PM
The White House has completely given up

https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1427016829034246150 (https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1427016829034246150)

US troops now shooting fleeing citizens in the legs to prevent them from breaking the perimeter.

https://twitter.com/syedalisherazi5/status/1427025141297557505 (https://twitter.com/syedalisherazi5/status/1427025141297557505)

Taliban once again outsmarts everyone, as the people fled to the airport they set-up checkpoints behind them.
If they can't leave they drive back straight into the hands of the Taliban.


https://twitter.com/EenaRuffini/status/1427029178466152448 (https://twitter.com/EenaRuffini/status/1427029178466152448)

CLOWNS CLOWNS CLOWNS (they wisened up not to live tweet the location of the US ambassador)

https://twitter.com/jmhansler/status/1427036811520524289 (https://twitter.com/jmhansler/status/1427036811520524289)

Maybe people still there can hop on a German or French plane.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on August 15, 2021, 09:28:58 PM
posted and then deleted after like fifteen minutes:
(https://i.imgur.com/1TfpE9V.jpeg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kunai With Chain on August 16, 2021, 05:12:31 AM
Quote from: Nintex on August 15, 2021, 02:32:43 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E82hK3cWUAMcqFa?format=jpg)

https://twitter.com/etribune/status/1426972264738738180 (https://twitter.com/etribune/status/1426972264738738180)

Chocolate or strawberry Mr. President? :trumps

https://twitter.com/arjunchander_/status/1426975901644771328 (https://twitter.com/arjunchander_/status/1426975901644771328)

Thanks Obama for releasing the brave Mujahideen

https://twitter.com/travisakers/status/1427008000498225153 Hurr thanks Obummer
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on August 16, 2021, 05:23:24 AM
The memoryholing begins

 :lol :lol

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1427018983379640323
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on August 16, 2021, 05:52:19 AM
Republicans: "How dare those fundamentalist Islamists reneg on our agreement not to take back the country by force and reinstate laws that severely punish women if we withdraw our troops!!"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 16, 2021, 06:46:37 AM
https://twitter.com/ShivAroor/status/1427204628735696898 (https://twitter.com/ShivAroor/status/1427204628735696898)

https://twitter.com/AsvakaNews/status/1427206845706379266 (https://twitter.com/AsvakaNews/status/1427206845706379266)

People are falling to their death clinging to planes.
Airplanes can't take off safely. NATO and its current leadership are 100% responsible for this mess.

https://twitter.com/CombatJourno/status/1427220857940758530 (https://twitter.com/CombatJourno/status/1427220857940758530)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: T-Short on August 16, 2021, 09:54:02 AM
https://twitter.com/judeasspriest/status/1427062860551704581

 :picard
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 16, 2021, 12:24:32 PM
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1427284740567142404 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1427284740567142404)

LMAO CNN you fucking clowns


https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1427276097360744448 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1427276097360744448)

US Army: Please Taliban will you allow us to continue fucking up like this  :stahp

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1427266701213814789 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1427266701213814789)

Taliban: By all means continue what are you doing  :teehee
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 16, 2021, 01:14:56 PM
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1427315684455993347 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1427315684455993347)

$705.39 billion well spend :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 16, 2021, 06:48:31 PM
https://twitter.com/queeralamode/status/1427398317768470528


I wonder why the taliban won  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 16, 2021, 08:32:05 PM
Quote from: team filler on August 16, 2021, 06:48:31 PM
https://twitter.com/queeralamode/status/1427398317768470528


I wonder why the taliban won  :doge
NATO spend billions on soldiers that didn't want to fight or knew why they had to fight in Afghanistan to raise and teach an army to defend Afghanistan.

And now the powers that be have retroactively decided that is not what the money was for in the first place.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on August 16, 2021, 09:57:16 PM
https://twitter.com/colbyhall/status/1427359054842802177

is it though? :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 17, 2021, 10:27:11 AM
Just your friendly neighbourhood Taliban implementing Sharia law.

Reject modernity
Embrace tradition


What I like most is how she tried to fit in by changing her outfit thinking they would praise her and the Taliban is like: "no, not like you"

https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1427634821547925504 (https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1427634821547925504)

Rumsfeld would be proud of this celebration of freedom. Pentagon says the airport is safe and service has resumed as normal  :doggy

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1427633840495939584 (https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1427633840495939584)
:dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 17, 2021, 02:07:00 PM
Taliban got some upgrades

https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/1427674950823985157 (https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/1427674950823985157)

Peaceful transition of power

https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/1427676379013910530 (https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/1427676379013910530)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnYFrIlX4AA2e-y?format=jpg)

This certainly isn't your grandfathers Taliban  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 17, 2021, 02:50:27 PM
https://twitter.com/MLiamMcCollum/status/1427658106054406149 (https://twitter.com/MLiamMcCollum/status/1427658106054406149)

Looks like the Taliban is going to join Trump's class action lawsuit :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on August 17, 2021, 03:30:10 PM
Facebook probably also has more deaths on their hands than the Taliban.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on August 17, 2021, 04:03:20 PM
https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1427708407272857603
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 17, 2021, 05:10:22 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 17, 2021, 02:50:27 PM
https://twitter.com/MLiamMcCollum/status/1427658106054406149 (https://twitter.com/MLiamMcCollum/status/1427658106054406149)

Looks like the Taliban is going to join Trump's class action lawsuit :doge
it's going to be a sharia lawsuit  :)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 17, 2021, 05:51:04 PM
https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1427735114335858701 (https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1427735114335858701)

https://twitter.com/AmrullahSaleh2/status/1426891637955907584 (https://twitter.com/AmrullahSaleh2/status/1426891637955907584)

:salute
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: T-Short on August 17, 2021, 06:03:37 PM
Can we fly the cryptobros into Kabul on the empty C-17:s? One-way, please

https://twitter.com/ptonerdoteth/status/1427217060078227462
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on August 17, 2021, 08:03:39 PM
How the Taliban do better press conferences than the US President?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 18, 2021, 09:13:38 AM
https://twitter.com/MuslimShirzad/status/1427923145734950914 (https://twitter.com/MuslimShirzad/status/1427923145734950914)

Trouble in paradise
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 18, 2021, 10:57:13 AM
Just your friendly neighbourhood Taliban

https://twitter.com/HeshmatAlavi/status/1427982636631400448 (https://twitter.com/HeshmatAlavi/status/1427982636631400448)

https://twitter.com/HeshmatAlavi/status/1427987158783115271 (https://twitter.com/HeshmatAlavi/status/1427987158783115271)

Their approval ratings are dropping as fast as those of this guy

(https://i0.wp.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2021/05/ezgif.com-gif-maker-copy-1.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on August 18, 2021, 11:37:56 AM
I hope twitter/facebook doesn't censor images and videos of the killing that are sure to follow in the coming days. It's sickening but the world needs to see.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 18, 2021, 12:15:44 PM
Quote from: Transhuman on August 18, 2021, 11:37:56 AM
I hope twitter/facebook doesn't censor images and videos of the killing that are sure to follow in the coming days. It's sickening but the world needs to see.
They will have their AI's delete everything so all that is left is meme videos of the Taliban taking over Kabul with anime waifu's dancing in front of the footage (thus fooling the AI's).

"Your honor, here is the evidence my assistent was murdered by Mr. Barandar, this was posted by @d00mer on twitter please ignore the dancing anime girl"

"让你的美国狗滚出去，宣誓效忠党"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 18, 2021, 02:14:28 PM
https://twitter.com/BloodsareCrips/status/1427401855508811781


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Tycoon Padre on August 18, 2021, 08:10:57 PM
Wait... what? :lol

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1427899515282116612

https://twitter.com/mradamtaylor/status/1428082634140307457


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 19, 2021, 05:43:23 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9I5NaaWUAYPJi1?format=jpg)

Just your friendly neighbourhood inclusive trendy Taliban celebrating 9/11

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1428286844949745665 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1428286844949745665)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9G6mh0XMAAFaNi?format=jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 19, 2021, 08:13:30 AM
https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1428310622337392642 (https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1428310622337392642)

Talib still unsure how to handle Karen from CNN.

Biden better give her a medal when she returns.
She's doing amazing work in that shithole.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on August 19, 2021, 09:27:48 AM
Yep, Clarissa Ward is awesome. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 19, 2021, 10:49:05 AM
https://twitter.com/paykhar/status/1428367451658481674


 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 19, 2021, 12:11:25 PM
The Taliban has their scholars looking at womens rights and won't make any radical moves before they have decided on the issue.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 19, 2021, 12:24:46 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9J9RHBXIAQdyiD?format=jpg)

(https://c.tenor.com/cJRcMyUAiMcAAAAd/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on August 19, 2021, 12:58:00 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 19, 2021, 08:13:30 AM
https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1428310622337392642 (https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1428310622337392642)

Talib still unsure how to handle Karen from CNN.

Biden better give her a medal when she returns.
She's doing amazing work in that shithole.

Sick of these tweetd getting deteled, unless it's to protect the identity of the Kabul civilians featured in the video
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on August 19, 2021, 01:01:09 PM
do you have a white women in burkas fetish, trashy mate? ;)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on August 19, 2021, 01:02:51 PM
i'm not judging, its way better than being a furry or a foot fetishist or a paedophile or some shit :wow
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 19, 2021, 01:11:34 PM
https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1428085308722196481 (https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1428085308722196481)

700 billion

a

year
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on August 19, 2021, 01:34:38 PM
Quote from: Pissy F Benny on August 19, 2021, 01:01:09 PM
do you have a white women in burkas fetish, trashy mate? ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIamvIBO5Lo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on August 19, 2021, 04:07:46 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 19, 2021, 12:11:25 PM
The Taliban has their scholars looking at womens rights and won't make any radical moves before they have decided on the issue.
Translation: Once the cameras are off and the West has forgotten about Afghanistan, dem bitches better get back in the kitchen.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 19, 2021, 05:14:04 PM
 :'(
Quote from: Nintex on August 19, 2021, 12:24:46 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9J9RHBXIAQdyiD?format=jpg)

(https://c.tenor.com/cJRcMyUAiMcAAAAd/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit.gif)
writer with last name of horowitz  :)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on August 19, 2021, 06:45:16 PM
Americans now being told they have to take out a loan to get out of Afghanistan. 

https://twitter.com/jerrydunleavy/status/1428449620997414919

 :society
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 19, 2021, 06:48:54 PM
sounds like a cheap flight tbh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 19, 2021, 07:39:19 PM
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1428432204586262532 (https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1428432204586262532)

https://twitter.com/vmsalama/status/1428466602358493192 (https://twitter.com/vmsalama/status/1428466602358493192)

https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1428495515839344645 (https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1428495515839344645)

https://twitter.com/NileGardiner/status/1428499194990448651 (https://twitter.com/NileGardiner/status/1428499194990448651)

 :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 19, 2021, 07:56:49 PM
https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1428484654919790592 (https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1428484654919790592)

That's an easy one Bret, the Taliban took all the vehicles :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 20, 2021, 12:19:38 PM
Rory Stewart perfectly summarizes how NATO allies feel about this failure of a President.

https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1428320935464120328 (https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1428320935464120328)

In any case the Brits, Germans and French are now doing what the US is refusing to do, taking people to the airport:
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1428745338488332290 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1428745338488332290)

That was 5 days ago

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1428699365175185408 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1428699365175185408)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 21, 2021, 06:16:29 AM
https://twitter.com/JimmyPrinceton/status/1428756995650240513 (https://twitter.com/JimmyPrinceton/status/1428756995650240513)

 :wut
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 22, 2021, 07:30:02 AM
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1429183260488253444 (https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1429183260488253444)

https://twitter.com/JaneFerguson5/status/1429376121783603200 (https://twitter.com/JaneFerguson5/status/1429376121783603200)

When Tony Blair calls you an imbecible and the papers print it you know you fucked up.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 22, 2021, 08:45:09 AM
https://twitter.com/JaneFerguson5/status/1429329579915816960 (https://twitter.com/JaneFerguson5/status/1429329579915816960)

Heroes :salute
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Don Rumata on August 22, 2021, 08:48:21 AM
This disaster is gonna given Adam Curtis material for another 3 movies.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 22, 2021, 09:36:56 AM
Quote from: Don Rumata on August 22, 2021, 08:48:21 AM
This disaster is gonna given Adam Curtis material for another 3 movies.
Maybe a sequel to Bitter Lake, that covered Afghanistan up to 2014
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84P4dzow1Bw

You could tell in his latest work that he knew people cheering on Biden were deluding themselves.
He didn't quite yet know what would go wrong but from his wording you could tell it was obvious to him that something would crack.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: jorma on August 22, 2021, 11:47:36 AM
Quote from: Nintex on August 22, 2021, 07:30:02 AM
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1429183260488253444 (https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1429183260488253444)

https://twitter.com/JaneFerguson5/status/1429376121783603200 (https://twitter.com/JaneFerguson5/status/1429376121783603200)

When Tony Blair calls you an imbecible and the papers print it you know you fucked up.

why? Dude was always a hawk, of course he would argue against pulling out.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 22, 2021, 05:26:12 PM
A small team of Ukrainian heroes doing great work
https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1429397383075581957 (https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1429397383075581957)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9Y-6r_XoAUUHI2?format=jpg)

The silver lining of this tragedy is nearly all of Europe coming together to help people escape the mess the US created.

https://twitter.com/DmytroKuleba/status/1429372181012795402 (https://twitter.com/DmytroKuleba/status/1429372181012795402)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 23, 2021, 04:50:05 AM
https://twitter.com/TehranTimes79/status/1429720176128299012 (https://twitter.com/TehranTimes79/status/1429720176128299012)

Taliban just set the deadline for next tuesday.
Everyone still there after that date is fucked.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on August 23, 2021, 01:36:34 PM
Thanks to Brexit, a lot of nasty yuropeans have fucked off, freeing up job opportunities for the good, honest, briton who will happily now be able to have those jobs.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58303679

Quote
Abattoirs, butchers and meat processors are set to employ prisoners and ex-inmates to help plug labour shortages.

Meat industry leaders held talks with the government on Monday to discuss options of how businesses could link up with prisons to fill vacancies.

The Association of Independent Meat Suppliers told the BBC the industry had about 14,000 job vacancies currently.


Well I guess no one really wanted those jobs after all.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 23, 2021, 03:48:31 PM
how long I gotta go to the synagogue to be eligible for dual citizenship?  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on August 23, 2021, 05:55:29 PM
Finally, we’re getting some op eds from the true victims of the Afghanistan withdrawal.

https://mobile.twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1428956552367677442
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 24, 2021, 07:51:23 AM
Our foreign secretary has said that if the US pulls out August 31 and the deadline is not extended hundreds of Dutch, French and English nationals will be stranded in Afghanistan.
G7 meets today about the need to extend the deadline and what it would look like.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 24, 2021, 11:32:04 AM
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1430134059083223053


 :maduro
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on August 24, 2021, 06:08:17 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58315413

Quote
Working women in Afghanistan must stay at home until proper systems are in place to ensure their safety, a Taliban spokesman has told reporters.

"It's a very temporary procedure," spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid said.

Ah yes. I'm sure this safety review will be completed very soon. In just a couple decades


Quote
"Our security forces are not trained (in) how to deal with women - how to speak to women (for) some of them," Mr Mujahid said. "Until we have full security in place... we ask women to stay home."

Fuck me sideways.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 24, 2021, 07:22:52 PM
Didn't you hear what Taliban Joe said?

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1430284949165428740 (https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1430284949165428740)

ISIS-K is on the loose!!!!
Better keep the women safely inside.

The only silver lining in the August 31st retreat is that the entire clusterfuck ends and Joe Biden can't fuck it up more with demented decisions.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on August 24, 2021, 07:28:54 PM
I don't think USA is going to respect Taliban's "red line". If Taliban attack during civilian evacuation it would destroy their new "peaceful" reputation.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 24, 2021, 08:15:01 PM
If the USA stays the Taliban attack. They don't give a fuck, they'll kill the Americans at the airport and organize a parade to celebrate.
What's Biden going to do? Restart the war? The US has no foothold and Talibanstan is too far inland for aircraft carriers to be of any use.

When the USA leaves so does the news coverage and thus Biden's problem goes away.
Which is the most likely reason the US wants out.

The only way I can see them staying longer is if they make some kind of deal with the Taliban.
The type deal that involves recognizing the Taliban government at the UN or giving them billions in aid.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on August 24, 2021, 08:25:08 PM
If Taliban starts it's new regime with bloodshed they lose the war of perception. If they kill fleeing civilians they can't exactly sell themselves as peaceful crusaders fighting against evil America.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 25, 2021, 07:31:53 AM
Quote from: Transhuman on August 24, 2021, 08:25:08 PM
If Taliban starts it's new regime with bloodshed they lose the war of perception. If they kill fleeing civilians they can't exactly sell themselves as peaceful crusaders fighting against evil America.
In Afghanistan there is one rule, the rule of the strongest.
The Taliban is simply the strongest tribe and thus in power.
If they show weakness the Northern Alliance or ISIS-K will take-over.

When Abu Ivanka al-Amriki was ousted the US showed weakness and the Taliban rolled over them.
That's how it has always been in Afghanistan, people side with the strongest faction.

They've already killed quite a number of people outside of Kabul.
If the Taliban was no real threat women wouldn't throw their babies over barbed wire.
The first thing they did when they took Kandahar is arrest, humiliate and kill a famous local comedian.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on August 25, 2021, 08:55:46 AM
At least it was a comedian and not a real person I guess
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 25, 2021, 09:08:34 AM
https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1429906412096864260 (https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1429906412096864260)

 :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Don Rumata on August 25, 2021, 09:10:49 AM
"An Afghanistan inclusive for all"  :)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 25, 2021, 01:52:33 PM
can we send them tig notaro  :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 26, 2021, 10:43:20 AM
Explosion at Kabul airport.

:drudge

https://twitter.com/nafisehkBBC/status/1430902022593646598 (https://twitter.com/nafisehkBBC/status/1430902022593646598)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kunai With Chain on August 26, 2021, 11:25:05 AM
https://twitter.com/News_Executive/status/1430909606641823751

American deaths? Bidet is so done.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BrokenVerses on August 26, 2021, 01:17:10 PM
Yeah at least 4 dead US Service members at the checkpoint a “ISIS militant” suicide bomber hit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 26, 2021, 01:38:50 PM
https://twitter.com/ZDFheute/status/1430947434042204167 (https://twitter.com/ZDFheute/status/1430947434042204167)

Even the Taliban spokesperson responded faster to the news than Taliban Joe

https://twitter.com/weijia/status/1430945319542525953 (https://twitter.com/weijia/status/1430945319542525953)

Guess Boris now runs NATO?
https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1430942047800807440 (https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1430942047800807440)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 26, 2021, 02:10:03 PM
3rd explosion, total US deaths 10 and counting  :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BrokenVerses on August 26, 2021, 02:18:19 PM
Sounds like the entire checkpoint might have gotten wiped out.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 26, 2021, 02:40:03 PM
https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/1430960597949161474 (https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/1430960597949161474)

Another explosion and gunfire reported.
Third explosion was an IED that hit the Taliban  :doge

12 US deaths, 10 in critical condition and many more wounded.


US has no good options here, scramble and leave which means leaving behind possibly hundreds or thousands of Americans.
Stay at the airport as sitting ducks.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 26, 2021, 03:09:08 PM
https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/status/1430969376640016387 (https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/status/1430969376640016387)

What a mess

https://twitter.com/KatiePavlich/status/1430970480723435520 (https://twitter.com/KatiePavlich/status/1430970480723435520)

They've decided to be sitting ducks protected by Taliban  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 26, 2021, 03:46:55 PM
https://twitter.com/laraseligman/status/1430975844147732480 (https://twitter.com/laraseligman/status/1430975844147732480)

 :picard

45 beat Biden to the punch

https://twitter.com/edokeefe/status/1430980544397987842 (https://twitter.com/edokeefe/status/1430980544397987842)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on August 26, 2021, 04:01:34 PM
The taliban are probably fucked because ISIS think they are a US deep state conspiracy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 26, 2021, 04:05:44 PM
https://twitter.com/KazmiWajahat/status/1430984018934353921 (https://twitter.com/KazmiWajahat/status/1430984018934353921)

US troops blowing up their own ordnance, possibly leaving soon?

Quote from: who is ted danson? on August 26, 2021, 04:01:34 PM
The taliban are probably fucked because ISIS think they are a US deep state conspiracy.
https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/status/1430985165195542529 (https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/status/1430985165195542529)

You have to wonder why
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 26, 2021, 06:18:22 PM
Quote from: who is ted danson? on August 26, 2021, 04:01:34 PM
The taliban are probably fucked because ISIS think they are a US deep state conspiracy.
the bide playing 6G Chinese checkers  :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 27, 2021, 06:43:31 PM
https://twitter.com/DavidMWitty1/status/1431385528860041217 (https://twitter.com/DavidMWitty1/status/1431385528860041217)

Gulf War III : Ganbare Lockheed! My Sugar Daddy Works For The CIA
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 30, 2021, 01:41:52 AM
https://twitter.com/eshaLegal/status/1431076791184154625


whole thread  :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on August 30, 2021, 04:48:13 PM
https://twitter.com/haynesdeborah/status/1432410630137524226

  :usacry :cancry :auscry :gbcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on September 01, 2021, 08:24:05 AM
https://twitter.com/realsteelmuslim/status/1432855021780017155


 :curious
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 01, 2021, 10:21:02 AM
good bless our chi-com superiors :juche
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on September 01, 2021, 02:47:42 PM
(https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5JVXRF0b4C.jpg)

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 01, 2021, 02:56:24 PM
:salute
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on September 01, 2021, 03:31:49 PM
FACT CHECK:
https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/1433115507872436228
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on September 01, 2021, 03:34:32 PM
https://twitter.com/XHNews/status/1433024775706726404
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on September 01, 2021, 04:06:32 PM
chicoms turned out to be the most based nation on earth  :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on September 02, 2021, 01:03:41 AM
https://twitter.com/mitchellreports/status/1433101871388971012

 :killme
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on September 02, 2021, 01:10:00 AM
can't beat them, hire them  :)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on September 03, 2021, 01:54:35 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58430364

Quote
Downing Street did not deny reports of an increase of at least 1% to improve social care and tackle the NHS backlog.

The justice secretary said he would not "speculate" but said there should be a "grown-up conversation" about how to pay for rising social care costs.

The move would break a Tory manifesto commitment at the last election.



Hold on a second.

(https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2016/09/01/97587836-vote-leave-news_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqhrecUkOQ_RJUhfW_x_ESH6W0-DPWq8x8IQytlg7pAmE.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Tycoon Padre on September 04, 2021, 01:53:25 PM
Quote from: Raist on September 03, 2021, 01:54:35 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58430364

Quote
Downing Street did not deny reports of an increase of at least 1% to improve social care and tackle the NHS backlog.

The justice secretary said he would not "speculate" but said there should be a "grown-up conversation" about how to pay for rising social care costs.

The move would break a Tory manifesto commitment at the last election.



Hold on a second.

(https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2016/09/01/97587836-vote-leave-news_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqhrecUkOQ_RJUhfW_x_ESH6W0-DPWq8x8IQytlg7pAmE.jpg)

We send the EU Ł350 Million per week

Let's divert that into into contracts for busted PPE, print about 200 times that via QE to enrich boomer asset holders, and then have young people foot their other bills instead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Tycoon Padre on September 04, 2021, 01:54:04 PM
--
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on September 04, 2021, 03:37:31 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/sep/02/brexit-uk-food-drink-exports-eu-disastrous-decline

Quote
Exports of food and drink to the EU have suffered a “disastrous” decline in the first half of the year because of Brexit trade barriers, with sales of beef and cheese hit hardest.

Food and Drink Federation (FDF) producers lost Ł2bn in sales, a dent in revenue that could not be compensated for by the increased sales in the same period to non-EU countries including China and Australia.


(https://i.imgur.com/BLvkHbg.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 05, 2021, 05:27:34 PM
https://twitter.com/dlippman/status/1434587256489222146 (https://twitter.com/dlippman/status/1434587256489222146)

Taken hostage  :nope

Not allowed to take off :ohyeah
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 06, 2021, 05:48:43 AM
https://twitter.com/middleeast/status/1434813709130547206 (https://twitter.com/middleeast/status/1434813709130547206)

And so the Northern Alliance falls.  :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on September 06, 2021, 11:36:49 AM
https://twitter.com/JoshD0110/status/1434895938242465793
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: jorma on September 06, 2021, 12:27:08 PM
Quote from: team filler on September 06, 2021, 11:36:49 AM
https://twitter.com/JoshD0110/status/1434895938242465793

wint annihilated  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on September 06, 2021, 10:57:33 PM
Quote from: team filler on September 06, 2021, 11:36:49 AM
https://twitter.com/JoshD0110/status/1434895938242465793
Can we make this the standard punishment for people who play music in public without headphones?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on September 07, 2021, 12:06:23 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/06/europe/belarus-opposition-members-jailed-intl/
Quote
A Belarusian court on Monday sentenced Maria Kolesnikova, a prominent opposition figure who led mass street protests against President Alexander Lukashenko, to 11 years in prison, the latest move in a widespread crackdown on government critics following a contested election last year.

Kolesnikova and another opposition activist, Maxim Znak, were charged with extremism and conspiring to "seize state power in an unconstitutional way" in a trial held in the capital Minsk behind closed doors, Belarusian state media Belta reported.

Znak, who is also a key member of the coordination council formed by opponents of Lukashenko's authoritarian government, was sentenced to 10 years in prison.
Papa Luka :salute
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 07, 2021, 08:47:59 AM
https://twitter.com/browsersatdv4/status/1433884057335697413 (https://twitter.com/browsersatdv4/status/1433884057335697413)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 07, 2021, 12:21:31 PM
Shot
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1435185451455979528 (https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1435185451455979528)

Chaser
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1435276133117931525 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1435276133117931525)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 07, 2021, 06:06:11 PM
https://twitter.com/guardiannews/status/1435344446716059655 (https://twitter.com/guardiannews/status/1435344446716059655)

The full list

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-tVmJqWUAoGmxW?format=jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on September 08, 2021, 12:23:27 AM
No Minister for Women? :ohhh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Don Rumata on September 08, 2021, 04:43:24 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 02, 2021, 01:03:41 AM
https://twitter.com/mitchellreports/status/1433101871388971012

 :killme

So if there's a new Rambo, they can reuse that dedication.  ::)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on September 08, 2021, 01:13:10 PM
https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1435651247709638657


the poor uyghurs, they suffer so much  :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 08, 2021, 02:03:16 PM
why are they playing music from borat >:(
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 08, 2021, 06:55:29 PM
https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1435701365150519300 (https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1435701365150519300)

https://twitter.com/MarianneSansum/status/1435711445463883780 (https://twitter.com/MarianneSansum/status/1435711445463883780)

 :pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 09, 2021, 01:54:42 PM
https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/1436021359503675396 (https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/1436021359503675396)

:pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 10, 2021, 07:30:16 AM
The current state of our politics is 4chan LARPs

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-6ZiHvXsAgmGht?format=jpg)

Quote
"You WEF agents of Soros are treating the unvaccinated like the jews in WW2 by not allowing them to take part in public life"
*Mommy speaker disables mic and reprimands*
Quote
"I'm not saying that the situation is remotely the same as the Holocaust but just like in WW2 you are blindly following orders"
*Mommy speaker disables mic and reprimands*
Quote
"So as I was saying it starts with a Yellow star and ends with..."

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-6PdanXsAwHqwl?format=jpg)

Quote
"REEEEEE"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on September 10, 2021, 02:55:01 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 11, 2021, 09:00:43 AM
‘Imminent Threat’ or Aid Worker: Did a U.S. Drone Strike in Afghanistan Kill the Wrong Person?

https://www.nytimes.com/video/players/offsite/index.html?videoId=100000007963596

worth watching
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 11, 2021, 01:39:28 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on September 11, 2021, 09:00:43 AM
‘Imminent Threat’ or Aid Worker: Did a U.S. Drone Strike in Afghanistan Kill the Wrong Person?

https://www.nytimes.com/video/players/offsite/index.html?videoId=100000007963596

worth watching
It was an aid worker, they lied as always, the guy was just carrying some water.

ISIS-K just how fucking stupid do they think we are  :lol

Should've called it ISIS+
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 15, 2021, 05:45:16 PM
Nuclear subs to Australia to counter China

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1438248350307033095 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1438248350307033095)

I guess it was too much to ask to go to nuclear war with China without the guy behind our button suffering from brain worms

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1438250398033326087 (https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1438250398033326087)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on September 15, 2021, 06:42:17 PM
We've had a long running saga involving replacement submarines for the past few years. A French company was supposed to build them here (non-nuclear) but that project has been an absolute clusterfuck and no progress was being made.

Remains to be seen whether this is a better solution, because we have no nuclear industry at all, despite having 1/3 of the world's uranium deposits.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 15, 2021, 06:47:00 PM
It all hinges on the top US General not calling the Chinese to give them an early warning :idont
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 16, 2021, 03:54:25 PM
Quote from: Nintex on September 15, 2021, 06:47:00 PM
It all hinges on the top US General not calling the Chinese to give them an early warning :idont

If we're launching sneak attacks against China then the world has pretty much done for so you might as well bend over and kiss your butt goodbye.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 16, 2021, 04:29:54 PM
I think we can take em when they are asleep, texting bootleg Windows CD keys or farming gold in World of Warcraft.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 16, 2021, 04:40:30 PM
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1438548409636556800 (https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1438548409636556800)

ello guv'na can you give me 2 footsies of bread and 3 fingers of eggs please.

certainly me lord would you like 5 drippings of apple juice with that

yes lad that does sound splendid, cheerio

good because that is all the rations we have today, maybe I can interest you in some second hand nuclear submarines for the misses down under?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 16, 2021, 04:45:54 PM
the only good thing he'll ever do :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on September 16, 2021, 06:03:20 PM
Units are kinda irrelevant when shelves are empty :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 17, 2021, 04:27:17 PM
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1438955533126578178 (https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1438955533126578178)

sacré bleu! Joe, sacré bleu!

https://twitter.com/TomRtweets/status/1438959538401599492 (https://twitter.com/TomRtweets/status/1438959538401599492)

The Chinese have deployed the Milley early warning system instead.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 17, 2021, 07:48:51 PM
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1438953817308078084 (https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1438953817308078084)

So you resigned 6 months ago, 2 of your 3 cabinets didn't make it, 18 ministers and counting have left after scandals and incompetence that were mostly your fault... and somehow you are still governing and gaining in the polls. Tell me how that works Mark.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 18, 2021, 06:13:28 PM
https://twitter.com/Jake_Hanrahan/status/1439304675514273800 (https://twitter.com/Jake_Hanrahan/status/1439304675514273800)

Taliban MAGA boaters!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 19, 2021, 05:07:12 AM
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1439477964022878210 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1439477964022878210)

 :wut
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on September 19, 2021, 03:53:39 PM
https://twitter.com/TheBigPharaoh/status/1439229920916484108


Remind me to get the fuck out of the US or any closely allied countries with Israel once Iran inevitably develops nukes.  I have a feeling these people aren't going to take 22 of their smartest nuclear physicists massacred lightly.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 19, 2021, 04:03:02 PM
I'm more worried about the killer robots tbh  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on September 19, 2021, 05:09:01 PM
It's basically just the same concept as the D.C. sniper attacks (a roaming sniper's nest located inside a vehicle), only with a remote controlled trigger with auto-assist. It's high tech but it's something you use in assassination, not warfare.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on September 19, 2021, 05:39:42 PM
It's not the tech that's impressive, rather, the total amount of shit we're going to eat for supporting this kind of diplomacy. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 19, 2021, 06:32:36 PM
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1439715926828457985 (https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1439715926828457985)

The Chinese even copied Lehman Brothers :heh


America and China when the market crashes
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/023/397/C-658VsXoAo3ovC.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on September 20, 2021, 01:39:50 PM
Quote from: Nintex on September 19, 2021, 05:07:12 AM
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1439477964022878210 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1439477964022878210)

 :wut

It's used for slaughter and packaging.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 20, 2021, 04:20:29 PM
https://twitter.com/SebaGobert/status/1439907163149938695 (https://twitter.com/SebaGobert/status/1439907163149938695)

:putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 20, 2021, 06:40:53 PM
https://twitter.com/ftbrussels/status/1439881078446170118 (https://twitter.com/ftbrussels/status/1439881078446170118)

 :bobby :aloy :ego

61% of the country now wants new elections.


Imagine if dodging accountability for government mishaps is what you are 'celebrated for'  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on September 23, 2021, 01:56:32 AM
BoJo having a bit of a tough time in the US :lol

https://twitter.com/ukiswitheu/status/1440383662646722567

https://twitter.com/ukiswitheu/status/1440380479304175620
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 23, 2021, 02:49:14 AM
With Germany without a leader, Macron mad and Joe Biden not knowing what day it is... Bojo is essentially the 'leader of the free world'  :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on September 23, 2021, 07:22:33 PM
https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1441109060200189957


 :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on September 23, 2021, 09:39:39 PM
https://twitter.com/SamAdlerBell/status/1441134071388807169
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on September 23, 2021, 10:30:26 PM
bono  :pacspit


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFVpCFOOA2o
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on September 24, 2021, 03:39:15 AM
Quote from: team filler on September 23, 2021, 07:22:33 PM
https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1441109060200189957


 :fbm
Absolutely deserved. These cunts are fucking scum.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on September 24, 2021, 04:32:29 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 24, 2021, 04:36:02 PM
https://twitter.com/KateHydeNY/status/1441495281430933505 (https://twitter.com/KateHydeNY/status/1441495281430933505)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on September 24, 2021, 04:40:36 PM
"you dumbass biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaattttttttttttttcccccccccccccchhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" is much more effective, but I like their effort :bernie
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 25, 2021, 04:15:57 PM
if killary embraced the fact that she's a massive heel I'd become a big fan, but insisting she's a baby face :kobeyuck
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on September 25, 2021, 08:28:59 PM
https://twitter.com/kcnwms1/status/1441788667983400961
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on September 25, 2021, 11:05:42 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 25, 2021, 08:28:59 PM
https://twitter.com/kcnwms1/status/1441788667983400961
UK Labour supporters have got to be some of the dumbest motherfuckers this world has ever produced. Corbyn was a fuck up of a leader and clearly not ever in with a shot of being PM considering he lost to a literal bumbling fool. But still, keep fighting the good fight you idiots, keep demanding Corbyn be the alternate PM and one day you'll realise he's never going to win, was never going to win, will never win...ever.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on September 26, 2021, 04:39:14 AM
https://metro.co.uk/2021/09/25/chichester-fight-breaks-out-at-petrol-station-as-tempers-flare-amid-panic-buying-15317322/


thingsarelookingprettygood.gif
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 26, 2021, 01:37:10 PM
https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1442157021680128002 (https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1442157021680128002)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 26, 2021, 06:02:37 PM
90's are back

https://twitter.com/tobyvogel/status/1442234530597724163 (https://twitter.com/tobyvogel/status/1442234530597724163)

https://twitter.com/theragex/status/1442236140120064001 (https://twitter.com/theragex/status/1442236140120064001)

https://twitter.com/Petrit/status/1442226144963661831 (https://twitter.com/Petrit/status/1442226144963661831)


Meanwhile at NATO

France  :hmph
UK :gloomy
Germany :dizzy
USA :derp 
Turkey :teehee
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on September 27, 2021, 04:51:42 AM
BBC getting a taste of that dutch directness :lol

https://twitter.com/StefSimanowitz/status/1442407998157049867
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Snoopycat_ on September 27, 2021, 05:10:04 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/5xdkEqH.jpg?1)


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on September 27, 2021, 08:41:43 AM
SPD "wins" but there will have to be at least a three party coalition.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 27, 2021, 02:59:43 PM
SPD victory is another win for Russia as they are about to take Kosovo with the Serbs.
Will Biden protect Kosovo or flee like he did in Afghanistan?

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1442526950615044096 (https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1442526950615044096)

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1442542051304820738 (https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1442542051304820738)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on September 28, 2021, 01:02:30 AM
https://twitter.com/TheIntlMagz/status/1442529562831691778


absolutely based  :)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 28, 2021, 06:01:29 PM
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1442878925353459727 (https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1442878925353459727)

Space Force :nope

Galactic Britain  :ohyeah

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FAYOxCNVEAknDG3?format=png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 30, 2021, 01:52:33 PM
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1443516441739894785 (https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1443516441739894785)

Trump was right again

https://twitter.com/Schuldensuehner/status/1443467919145541632

Energy transition
Renewables
Protect the climate!!!

Oh, you mean buying Russian oil and gas at premium prices and using part of all that energy to transport it thousands of miles.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on September 30, 2021, 05:37:19 PM
https://twitter.com/cushbomb/status/1443113627628695553

https://twitter.com/Loopsidernews/status/1442907479503822855

https://twitter.com/mattgreencomedy/status/1443167002416369675
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 30, 2021, 06:36:13 PM
https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/1443693211420184580 (https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/1443693211420184580)

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1443130929954713604 (https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1443130929954713604)

Where is Dominic Cummings when you need him. He would've sorted this out made this far worse.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on September 30, 2021, 07:11:02 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/business/dominic-raab-hire-lowlevel-offenders-to-drive-lorries-amid-fuel-crisis-b1929664.html

Quote
Deputy Prime Minister Dominic Raab has suggested offenders who have been given community sentences could be used to address the country’s lack of HGV drivers amid continuing concerns about fuel shortages.

This sounds like a brilliant idea!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 30, 2021, 07:17:11 PM
Put shoplifters, tax evaders, stoners and carjackers behind the wheel of a 80000 pound bomb

:dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 02, 2021, 08:08:48 PM
https://twitter.com/MoS_Politics/status/1444399931242995714 (https://twitter.com/MoS_Politics/status/1444399931242995714)

:titus
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 03, 2021, 02:01:55 PM
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1444702774797684746 (https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1444702774797684746)

Our treasury secretary already caught in the storm.
Apparently he had a small position in a tax haven and so did a friend of his, who he later appointed to a position at a nationalized bank.
He sold his interest before he became secretary and donated to charity. But his explanation is rather weak and boils down to: "I didn't know what it was before I invested".

https://twitter.com/AZGiacalone/status/1444709773283373062 (https://twitter.com/AZGiacalone/status/1444709773283373062)

Another criminal

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1444706846128889860 (https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1444706846128889860)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kunai With Chain on October 03, 2021, 06:14:50 PM
The BBC is so blatant with their propaganda these days. They didn't even explain how Putin is involved, yet they've got his picture practically front and center on the front page and top of the article...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 03, 2021, 07:45:45 PM
the Russians are basically The Jews in the Liberal mainstream media conspiracy theories these days :snob
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 04, 2021, 04:21:14 PM
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1445104926431006722 (https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1445104926431006722)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on October 04, 2021, 04:52:49 PM
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson_MP/status/1445110479035289604
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 05, 2021, 04:47:21 PM
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1445270828204105733 (https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1445270828204105733)

:dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on October 05, 2021, 05:14:08 PM
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/supply-crisis-military-moves-in-with-tanker-deliveries-to-petrol-stations-d00gls0bc


Quote
Only 27 fuel tanker drivers from the EU have applied to work in Britain under the government’s emergency scheme to tackle the petrol crisis, ministers have been told.

 :lol


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58800329

Quote
Boris Johnson: I'm not worried over jobs gap and rising prices

 :lol :lol :lol

Quote
The PM also said on BBC Breakfast that only 127 HGV drivers had applied for temporary visas offered by the government to help tackle the shortage.

The department for business said 27 drivers had been identified, but have not confirmed what the prime minister's number of 127 was referring to.

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 05, 2021, 05:16:55 PM
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1445284708548493312 (https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1445284708548493312)

Why don't we have a boris emoji
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on October 05, 2021, 05:36:41 PM
Knock yourself out

(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/f1bd765b41e5b80a688a5d53488e57d71fabf790/386_0_3184_1911/master/3184.jpg?width=1200&height=1200&quality=85&auto=format&fit=crop&s=e15ed152f8ff50b5f8d51af351ba8296)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on October 05, 2021, 06:57:54 PM
If somebody asked me to design a caricature to illustrate why the entire world, including the rest of the UK, hates the English, I would just draw Boris Johnson.

He's a toff that behaves like a chav whose combined arrogance and ignorance often strays over the line into actual racism. He's completely oblivious to the actual place of Great Britain in the modern world pecking order and somehow believes that people look up to the English people just because a few centuries ago the English exported their culture all around the world while raping and pillaging for their own benefit.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I know quite a few Englishmen and all of them are, without fault, good people. It amazes me that somehow they have ended up with this bloke as their PM...and that the alternative was an anti-Semite Communist who had the charisma of a wet fart.
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: T-Short on October 06, 2021, 03:07:19 AM
https://twitter.com/Cassetteboy/status/1445643800664100864
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 06, 2021, 12:54:08 PM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1445690651014615041 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1445690651014615041)

I wonder how many people will freeze to death.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Don Rumata on October 06, 2021, 02:46:20 PM
Electricity will go up 30% and gas/heating 15% here, from what i understood.
Can't even kill yourself with the old head-in-the-oven or toaster-in-the-tub anymore. :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 06, 2021, 06:10:50 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBBf5GLVcAAY2yQ?format=jpg)

 :whoo :putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on October 06, 2021, 06:48:31 PM
https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1445294194365505537
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on October 07, 2021, 10:17:24 AM
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/07/asia/us-afghanistan-spending-waste-intl-cmd/index.html

 :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 07, 2021, 02:22:32 PM
https://twitter.com/energybants/status/1445859788001214468 (https://twitter.com/energybants/status/1445859788001214468)

oops
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 07, 2021, 07:11:29 PM
https://twitter.com/HenryJFoy/status/1446134779070586880 (https://twitter.com/HenryJFoy/status/1446134779070586880)

Poland has decided their national laws supersede EU laws.
Basically undermining the foundation of EU rule over Poland.

https://twitter.com/EP_President/status/1446164465414705155 (https://twitter.com/EP_President/status/1446164465414705155)

https://twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/1446173325517012997 (https://twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/1446173325517012997)

The EU is threatening but unsure what to do. Poland was sort of their success story.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on October 07, 2021, 07:35:47 PM
The unelected EU  :info
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 08, 2021, 05:22:17 AM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1446382323939700742 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1446382323939700742)

Poland wants to keep the money  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Tycoon Padre on October 08, 2021, 11:51:42 AM
Energy prices are so wild and the UK bill cap is so low that companies are literally committing identity theft to LOSE their own customers :lol

https://twitter.com/guardiannews/status/1446488035487588376

Quote
the Guardian has seen communications indicating that the company began manually signing customers up with rival suppliers such as Bulb and Scottish Power without telling them, using their personal details to open new accounts.

Both Bulb and Scottish Power have investigated the switches and are cancelling them, meaning the customers will revert to Omni.

One industry source said they were “utterly speechless” at what had happened and suggested the “outrageous” behaviour may have breached data protection laws, as well as energy regulator Ofgem’s licence conditions.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 08, 2021, 02:42:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk4X7qrjejw

"You don't want nuclear power, you don't want gas"

"I don't understand how will you heat your homes?"

"Wood? You even need that from Siberia"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2021, 12:57:37 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/06/rachele-mussolini-wins-most-votes-in-rome-city-council-election
Quote
The granddaughter of Benito Mussolini won the highest number of votes in elections for Rome’s city council as support for Brothers of Italy, the far-right party to which she belongs, edged up in northern cities held by the left.
Quote
Mussolini refrained from discussing fascism. “To deal with this topic we’d need to talk until tomorrow morning. I prefer to talk about Rome,” she said.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 09, 2021, 06:30:12 AM
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1446738508249542657 (https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1446738508249542657)

"Sorry lads, we ain't got no lorries and drivers to carry the troops to our subs down under but we will help you *squints eyes* #BuirdBackBettel "  :snob
"The EU implores all sides to resolve their differences peacefully and environmentally friendly. We stand with the people of Taiwan #StandWithTaiwan. Does anyone have any gas for our ride home?" :goty2
"Russia respects the sovereignty of China and Taiwan which can only be preserved with the latest S-400 missile delivery system, a friendly naval base and a 100 year Gazprom pay up front retainer for all your energy needs." :putin
"We will swiftly torpedo any boats carrying unvaxxed Taiwanese refugees mate, Hail Pfizer"   :mods
"Look, here's the deal Jack. There's was this waitress over there and I'm not putting grounds in her boots" :biden
"'Sir, Xi is going to take tie wang'. I said WHO? Didn't I see her first? Why does he get to take her right? So much for socialism. 'Tie wang is a country Sir'. They probably just made that whole thing up to lure us out to tell you the truth" :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 09, 2021, 09:07:31 AM
The first shoe drops

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1446814628198195205 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1446814628198195205)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2021, 10:49:58 AM
day off

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1446825286163734530
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 09, 2021, 07:39:10 PM
https://twitter.com/tamhussein/status/1446444602291011586 (https://twitter.com/tamhussein/status/1446444602291011586)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kunai With Chain on October 10, 2021, 05:36:31 AM
I suppose buying a football team is at least a better use of his country's money than spending half a billion on an unimpressive and possibly forged piece of art just to leave it hanging in your superyacht.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 10, 2021, 03:19:59 PM
The fundamentals of the market are strong

The inflation is transitionary

https://twitter.com/FrancescComito/status/1447127440179015685 (https://twitter.com/FrancescComito/status/1447127440179015685)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 10, 2021, 03:28:44 PM
Thankfully energy is cheap

https://twitter.com/severeweatherEU/status/1447257630595076098 (https://twitter.com/severeweatherEU/status/1447257630595076098)

Are they going to report numbers of people freezing to death on a daily basis like we do with COVID?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on October 13, 2021, 05:39:56 AM
L O L (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-58886986?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=61669afc9ceecf0ab2ddb8e9%26Matt%20Hancock%27s%20new%20United%20Nations%20role%262021-10-13T09%3A09%3A05.167Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:e75f61fb-fa1e-4e29-b97f-fe033a132ffb&pinned_post_asset_id=61669afc9ceecf0ab2ddb8e9&pinned_post_type=share)

Quote
For those who missed Matt Hancock's announcement yesterday, the UK's former health secretary tweeted that he was taking up a new role with the United Nations as a special representative.

Hancock, who resigned from his cabinet post four months ago for breaking social distancing guidelines by kissing a colleague, says the job will focus on helping Africa's economy recover from Covid.

The under secretary general of the UN, Vera Songwe, praised his "success" in tackling the pandemic.

She told him in a letter: "The acceleration of vaccines that has led the UK [to] move faster towards economic recovery is one testament to the strengths that you will bring to this role, together with your fiscal and monetary experience."

The announcement came on the day a report from MPs was published, claiming the government and its scientists' failure to do more to stop Covid spreading early in the pandemic was one of the country's worst public health failures.

I wonder if the UN have CCTV in their offices
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on October 13, 2021, 07:08:40 AM
https://twitter.com/martyn_williams/status/1447982723176484871

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 14, 2021, 02:27:02 PM
https://twitter.com/marceldirsus/status/1448343870031474694 (https://twitter.com/marceldirsus/status/1448343870031474694)

https://twitter.com/BMVg_Bundeswehr/status/1448544043911323648 (https://twitter.com/BMVg_Bundeswehr/status/1448544043911323648)

 :rimshot :rimshot :rimshot :rimshot :rimshot :rimshot :rimshot :rimshot
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on October 14, 2021, 05:23:54 PM
:pika


https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1448403418477912065
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 15, 2021, 06:43:42 AM
Tensions are running high. The EU has submitted a new plan to ease a number of restrictions but it is not enough to get approval from the UK.

A number of EU countries including the Netherlands have met to draft plans on what to do if the British activate article 16 (which is a clause that allows them to unilaterally suspend the Northern Ireland protocol).
On the table are additional taxes on British imports, denying the UK access to the EU energy market and even scrapping the Brexit deal all together.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on October 15, 2021, 11:08:08 AM
Someone killed a UK politician
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 15, 2021, 12:29:21 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1449047830862180359 (https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1449047830862180359)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 15, 2021, 02:21:00 PM
https://twitter.com/lizziedearden/status/1449067162757386251 (https://twitter.com/lizziedearden/status/1449067162757386251)

:info
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on October 15, 2021, 04:14:23 PM
Oh they’re so good. Oh they’re so sweet.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 16, 2021, 06:01:53 AM
I think Germany is trying to tell us something :thinking
https://twitter.com/derspiegel/status/1448977595928821763 (https://twitter.com/derspiegel/status/1448977595928821763)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 16, 2021, 08:09:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUfYkOOKeqo

The English subtitles on this tell you all you need to know. Putin is sitting on 32 trillion kubic meters of natural gas.
With the US no longer being energy independent they're cutting LNG exports.
The price went up 800%, congratulations Joe, you balanced the Russian budget.

I'm starting to think Greta is a Russian psy-op.
Who knew ammending your energy policies to the will of a 16 (now 18) year old would absolutely destroy your position in the energy markets.

If Greta starts to come out agains the Nuclear energy plans of France and 8 or 9 other EU countries that signed on, she's 100% a Russian plant.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on October 17, 2021, 02:25:49 AM
Quote from: Nintex on October 16, 2021, 08:09:49 PM
Who knew ammending your energy policies to the will of a 16 (now 18) year old would absolutely destroy your position in the energy markets.

wtf are you talking about. You think anyone is actually listening to her?  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on October 17, 2021, 10:43:11 AM
https://twitter.com/AuronMacintyre/status/1449720263269142534


 :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 17, 2021, 10:53:11 AM
strewth!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 17, 2021, 01:39:54 PM
https://twitter.com/olliedrollie/status/1449783704117784580 (https://twitter.com/olliedrollie/status/1449783704117784580)

https://twitter.com/kunsttranen/status/1449751194491047938 (https://twitter.com/kunsttranen/status/1449751194491047938)

Police beating up the Antifa drum circles who are protesting because they can't find affordable housing.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: jorma on October 17, 2021, 02:10:00 PM
Quote from: team filler on October 17, 2021, 10:43:11 AM
https://twitter.com/AuronMacintyre/status/1449720263269142534


 :fbm

they're just easing in to the inevitable chinese takeover  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on October 17, 2021, 02:12:59 PM
Quote from: team filler on October 17, 2021, 10:43:11 AM
https://twitter.com/AuronMacintyre/status/1449720263269142534


 :fbm
The biker laws are in place against criminal Bikie gangs, not regular world who ride motorcycles.

i.e. Don't deal drugs and shoot people and you're fine.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on October 17, 2021, 02:34:53 PM
 :(
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 17, 2021, 02:44:46 PM
pray 4 trashy :tocry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on October 18, 2021, 03:36:45 PM
Remember the fantastic UK - AUS trade deal that thanks the freedom from the EU shackles was done and dusted in record time?

https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1449790251455688704

woopsie
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on October 18, 2021, 05:42:49 PM
Quote from: Raist on October 18, 2021, 03:36:45 PM
Remember the fantastic UK - AUS trade deal that thanks the freedom from the EU shackles was done and dusted in record time?

https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1449790251455688704

woopsie
This is such huge news that the biggest financial newspaper in Australia isn't even covering it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 18, 2021, 06:48:29 PM
Quote from: Raist on October 18, 2021, 03:36:45 PM
Remember the fantastic UK - AUS trade deal that thanks the freedom from the EU shackles was done and dusted in record time?

https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1449790251455688704

woopsie
Australians aren't even allowed to trade amongst themselves so :idont

Anyhow with the world literally dyingTM it's up to Boris Johnson to save it.

https://twitter.com/BloombergUK/status/1450220840394633220 (https://twitter.com/BloombergUK/status/1450220840394633220)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on October 19, 2021, 03:29:57 AM
It's been a whole day. Still no reporting of this breakdown of the free trade agreement. Maybe, just maybe, biased twitterati are not the best source of news...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on October 19, 2021, 03:59:09 AM
Quote from: Potato on October 19, 2021, 03:29:57 AM
It's been a whole day. Still no reporting of this breakdown of the free trade agreement. Maybe, just maybe, biased twitterati are not the best source of news...

https://www.politico.eu/article/australian-trade-minister-leaves-uk-with-no-deal/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 19, 2021, 04:27:52 AM
Quote
Industry insiders with an ear into the negotiations told POLITICO the two sides were still working through tariff rates for different cuts of meat, as well as other political differences. The aim is to get the deal into force during summer 2022.
They have until summer 2022 so this is all just for show.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on October 19, 2021, 05:40:41 AM
Just read that guy's tweets. He's got a hard on for Johnson.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: fizzel on October 19, 2021, 12:52:46 PM
Imagine making it to 2021 and believing any of the gobshite the media or twatterati regurgitate onto the world.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on October 19, 2021, 03:40:05 PM
Quote
LONDON — He may have traveled more than 10,000 miles from Canberra to London, but Dan Tehan left Britain without a trade deal.

The Australian trade minister had hoped to clinch an agreement with his U.K. counterpart Anne-Marie Trevelyan at the end of his long, multi-stop trip across the globe, but the two sides ended up kicking the can.
First paragraph makes out he traveled 10,000 miles for nothing.

Second paragraph points out it was a long multi-stop trip across the globe.

Fucking wanker of a journo.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 19, 2021, 07:01:12 PM
Quote from: Potato on October 19, 2021, 03:40:05 PM
Quote
LONDON — He may have traveled more than 10,000 miles from Canberra to London, but Dan Tehan left Britain without a trade deal.

The Australian trade minister had hoped to clinch an agreement with his U.K. counterpart Anne-Marie Trevelyan at the end of his long, multi-stop trip across the globe, but the two sides ended up kicking the can.
First paragraph makes out he traveled 10,000 miles for nothing.

Second paragraph points out it was a long multi-stop trip across the globe.

Fucking wanker of a journo.
That's customary for the UK press.
"Boris might be a bit of a wanker... but they can't bloody well ignore the might and glory of our empire! Sack the French ports Boris!"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on October 19, 2021, 07:07:38 PM
Quote from: fizzel on October 19, 2021, 12:52:46 PM
Imagine making it to 2021 and believing any of the gobshite the media or twatterati regurgitate onto the world.

Gotta believe someone
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on October 20, 2021, 03:02:26 AM
Quote from: fizzel on October 19, 2021, 12:52:46 PM
Imagine making it to 2021 and believing any of the gobshite the media or twatterati regurgitate onto the world.
My suggestion is be more selective of where you get your news.


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Trojita on October 20, 2021, 01:35:13 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1450802347064676362 (https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1450802347064676362)

This is in response to the kidnapping and murder of a woman by a serving police officer  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on October 20, 2021, 03:27:14 PM
Quote from: Trojita on October 20, 2021, 01:35:13 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1450802347064676362 (https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1450802347064676362)

This is in response to the kidnapping and murder of a woman by a serving police officer  :doge

I suppose this is better than their initial response, which was "if you're arrested by a police officer but have doubts / worries, then confront them or run". Cause that would go well :lol


In other news:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/oct/20/sunak-cut-corporation-tax-surcharge-banks-keep-city-competitive

So the cunt recently slashed universal credit and raised the national insurance tax, only to give banks a tax break a couple weeks later. Brilliant.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: fizzel on October 20, 2021, 09:02:24 PM
Quote from: Potato on October 20, 2021, 03:02:26 AM
Quote from: fizzel on October 19, 2021, 12:52:46 PM
Imagine making it to 2021 and believing any of the gobshite the media or twatterati regurgitate onto the world.
My suggestion is be more selective of where you get your news.

I started to avoid it as much as possible to be honest.  Noticeable drop in anxiety and I honestly can't say I'm more or less informed.  Lol

 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on October 20, 2021, 11:38:33 PM
Quote from: fizzel on October 20, 2021, 09:02:24 PM
Quote from: Potato on October 20, 2021, 03:02:26 AM
Quote from: fizzel on October 19, 2021, 12:52:46 PM
Imagine making it to 2021 and believing any of the gobshite the media or twatterati regurgitate onto the world.
My suggestion is be more selective of where you get your news.

I started to avoid it as much as possible to be honest.  Noticeable drop in anxiety and I honestly can't say I'm more or less informed.  Lol

 
I almost exclusively get my news from the public broadcaster. We are fortunate that it has managed to maintain excellent quality and objectivity, even if it does tend to lean a little left.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 21, 2021, 12:57:33 PM
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1451212797732343817 (https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1451212797732343817)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on October 25, 2021, 12:48:58 AM
She's coming to the UK to endorse state censorship of the internet:
https://twitter.com/FrancesHaugen/status/1452421289151447040

And now she's coming out against users having encryption:
https://twitter.com/davidakaye/status/1452387942849253382

former Obama White House staffer cheers on:
https://twitter.com/brhodes/status/1452012881004810242
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 25, 2021, 03:33:28 PM
https://twitter.com/ukiswitheu/status/1452641548085121032 (https://twitter.com/ukiswitheu/status/1452641548085121032)

:dead

The climate summit is going well
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 26, 2021, 06:19:45 AM
Climate summit

https://twitter.com/BBCBreakfast/status/1452882664206311429 (https://twitter.com/BBCBreakfast/status/1452882664206311429)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on October 26, 2021, 12:38:34 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 26, 2021, 06:19:45 AM
Climate summit

https://twitter.com/BBCBreakfast/status/1452882664206311429 (https://twitter.com/BBCBreakfast/status/1452882664206311429)

Not a problem, the tory MPs said this is all fine :yeshrug

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59040175
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 26, 2021, 01:25:43 PM
Quote
Untreated effluent, including human waste, wet wipes and condoms, was released into waterways for more than three million hours in 2020.
Literally a sea of cum, shit and piss :doge

The UK should do what we did.
We have an entirely seperate government branch in every region that regulates all the water and maintains the dykes.
We even have seperate elections for these regional water authorities.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on October 26, 2021, 01:27:41 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 26, 2021, 01:25:43 PM
Quote
Untreated effluent, including human waste, wet wipes and condoms, was released into waterways for more than three million hours in 2020.
Literally a sea of cum, shit and piss :doge


BBC for breakfast  :shaq
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 26, 2021, 02:48:05 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 26, 2021, 01:25:43 PM
Quote
Untreated effluent, including human waste, wet wipes and condoms, was released into waterways for more than three million hours in 2020.
Literally a sea of cum, shit and piss :doge

The UK should do what we did.
We have an entirely seperate government branch in every region that regulates all the water and maintains the dykes.
We even have seperate elections for these regional water authorities.

 :horny
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on October 28, 2021, 05:21:53 AM
Quote from: Nintex on October 26, 2021, 06:19:45 AM
Climate summit

https://twitter.com/BBCBreakfast/status/1452882664206311429 (https://twitter.com/BBCBreakfast/status/1452882664206311429)


Another good one :lol

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59062696

Quote
Rishi Sunak used his Budget to slash taxes on flights between airports in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 28, 2021, 07:29:33 PM
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1453690538339753987 (https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1453690538339753987)

 :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 29, 2021, 02:51:36 PM
https://twitter.com/j_stallsmith/status/1452661493946884102 (https://twitter.com/j_stallsmith/status/1452661493946884102)
https://twitter.com/TelegraphWorld/status/1452659171812315142 (https://twitter.com/TelegraphWorld/status/1452659171812315142)

(https://i.imgflip.com/5sb8xg.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on October 29, 2021, 06:37:01 PM
the bide was playing 10G chess with the taliban  :doge


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: chronovore on October 30, 2021, 02:03:32 AM
"good guy" China will likely step in and help them rebuild without overt occupation.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 30, 2021, 06:37:46 AM
Quote from: chronovore on October 30, 2021, 02:03:32 AM
"good guy" China will likely step in and help them rebuild without overt occupation.
Only after 28 million or more have died at the hands of the evil west. But this is more complicated than most people think.
China has pushed Russia out of Central Asia, so they're using this as an opportunity to regain a seat at the table.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFyiETZN9SA

In the end I think the EU and Russia have no choice but to set their differences aside and work together.
Which has already started during the pandemic and with the SDP winning the elections in Germany that is probably where things are headed.

A lot of what the US wants(regime change in Iran, pulling Ukraine into NATO) is not in the best interest of either Russia or Europe.
A little known fact is that the EU has already officially put a freeze on further expansion and the German government has basically greenlit the opening of Nordstream 2.

All the Russians now have to do is wait for Germany to invite them to clear the air and lift the sanctions.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 31, 2021, 07:14:39 PM
https://twitter.com/profdanhicks/status/1454779291850493955 (https://twitter.com/profdanhicks/status/1454779291850493955)

Sounds like we're going back to the future :rimshot

https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1454769716552142849 (https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1454769716552142849)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 01, 2021, 06:46:15 PM
Climate summit  8)

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1455178205657247746 (https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1455178205657247746)

https://twitter.com/COP26/status/1455200109852078085 (https://twitter.com/COP26/status/1455200109852078085)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on November 02, 2021, 06:58:25 AM
https://twitter.com/ACTBrigitte/status/1455103598300368896

 :hesright
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 02, 2021, 02:38:26 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCAfrica/status/1455559765187305478 (https://twitter.com/BBCAfrica/status/1455559765187305478)

https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1455602817385828359 (https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1455602817385828359)

Obama - Leading from Behind
Trump - America FirstTM
Biden - GTFO
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on November 03, 2021, 03:11:05 PM
So a tory MP was recently found to have clearly breached rules (not the first one to do so) when it comes to corruption.

Quote
Ex-minister Owen Paterson could be suspended from the Commons for 30 days after an MPs' watchdog found he had "repeatedly" used his position as an MP to benefit two companies who paid him as a consultant.

The watchdog described his actions as "an egregious case of paid advocacy".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59049343




A 30 days suspension is kind of a joke, but it gets better. Here's what happened.


https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1455924023934738435


This country is a fucking joke :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 03, 2021, 03:50:11 PM
气候峰会!!!

https://twitter.com/EileenEChang/status/1455568092931690503 (https://twitter.com/EileenEChang/status/1455568092931690503)

That's Chinese for Climate Summit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on November 03, 2021, 05:24:11 PM
Quote from: Raist on November 03, 2021, 03:11:05 PM
So a tory MP was recently found to have clearly breached rules (not the first one to do so) when it comes to corruption.

Quote
Ex-minister Owen Paterson could be suspended from the Commons for 30 days after an MPs' watchdog found he had "repeatedly" used his position as an MP to benefit two companies who paid him as a consultant.

The watchdog described his actions as "an egregious case of paid advocacy".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59049343




A 30 days suspension is kind of a joke, but it gets better. Here's what happened.


https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1455924023934738435


This country is a fucking joke :lol
That's a fucking jail term in most other countries
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 03, 2021, 08:19:23 PM
A conviction would ruin the fraternal and joyful spirit of the party :snob
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Don Rumata on November 03, 2021, 08:27:44 PM
Quote from: Nintex on November 03, 2021, 03:50:11 PM
气候峰会!!!

https://twitter.com/EileenEChang/status/1455568092931690503 (https://twitter.com/EileenEChang/status/1455568092931690503)

That's Chinese for Climate Summit
We can't let them seize our semiconductors!
Gpus are hard to get as it is...:stahp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 05, 2021, 08:06:16 PM
https://twitter.com/TOzgokmen/status/1456657261573521414 (https://twitter.com/TOzgokmen/status/1456657261573521414)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 06, 2021, 07:33:00 PM
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1457113175954972678 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1457113175954972678)

Quote
An informed source has told The Mail on Sunday that Camilla was taken aback to hear Biden break wind as they made polite small talk at the global climate change gathering in Glasgow last week.
The climate summit is almost as good as infrastructure week
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 08, 2021, 10:52:56 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-59206549

TikTok: Missing girl found after using viral call for help sign
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 08, 2021, 02:05:29 PM
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1457749963732103180 (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1457749963732103180)

thank god they've not yet unlocked the trebuchets yet
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kunai With Chain on November 08, 2021, 06:04:00 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-59215167
Quote
The co-ordinated action against the REvil gang was announced on Monday by Romanian police, the US Department of Justice (DOJ) and Europol.

The raids, which took place both on and offline, led to the arrests of two alleged hackers in Romania and one from Ukraine.

Europol's operation, named GoldDust, was set up specifically to tackle the group. Since February the operation has led to 7 arrests of the hacker gang in total in Romania, Ukraine, South Korea and Kuwait

Weren't people swearing up and down that these fuckers were Russians?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2021, 03:12:14 PM
https://twitter.com/alexnunns/status/1457809003380105218

 :rollsafe
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on November 09, 2021, 03:35:37 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59221290

Quote
MPs who are not available to help constituents and represent them in Parliament are "not doing the job", Downing Street has said.

It comes after Conservative MP Sir Geoffrey Cox was found to have been working remotely from the Caribbean.

The former attorney general has earned over Ł700,000 doing legal work in the British Virgin Islands (BVI) on top of his MPs' salary.

Boris Johnson's spokesman said MPs should be "visible" to constituents.

[...]

The BBC has established that Sir Geoffrey was in the BVI in April and June this year on at least two separate trips, to work on a corruption investigation into the government of the Overseas Territory, which was launched by the UK Foreign Office in January.


You can't make this shit up.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 11, 2021, 01:27:57 PM
https://twitter.com/M_Baranowski/status/1458798377295126534 (https://twitter.com/M_Baranowski/status/1458798377295126534)

Looks like we've skipped trebuchets
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 12, 2021, 04:13:07 PM
https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1459111371627536392 (https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1459111371627536392)

Turkey confirms they are still NATO
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on November 13, 2021, 08:11:52 PM
https://twitter.com/HillelNeuer/status/1459103698651652123
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 13, 2021, 08:36:13 PM
https://twitter.com/HillelNeuer/status/1459671350533054470 (https://twitter.com/HillelNeuer/status/1459671350533054470)

Yeah I think the bad guys are going to win
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 14, 2021, 02:02:26 PM
https://twitter.com/akihheikkinen/status/1459869893340418051 (https://twitter.com/akihheikkinen/status/1459869893340418051)

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1459911953632092170 (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1459911953632092170)

It's all going great
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 15, 2021, 02:29:07 PM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1460309423373565956 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1460309423373565956)

Get ur war boots on everyone we have a global economy to save.
Draft ur best bois using digital ID's.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEKIPwjXoAATUy5?format=jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Mr Gilhaney on November 17, 2021, 03:43:39 AM
For the first time in my life time, my local area turned away from the left in the regional elections. Also first time I didn't vote for a left wing party, which feels weird, but I cant vote for any party that continues to keep this government in power.

 Can call it reactive I guess, but the government, the biggest left winged party, have gone through Covid crisis with a never ending amount of lies and deception, which really doesn't sit well with me. On top of that, their immigration policies are almost mirroring the far right at this point, pure populism instead of sticking with its parties original values. A good sign for when the 'real' election comes.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on November 17, 2021, 04:17:31 AM
Did you vote for the Greens or just not at all?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 17, 2021, 12:11:50 PM
https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1460962689543553031 (https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1460962689543553031)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEZoMTHVcAYIQK9?format=jpg)

Welp, Biden just sold out Taiwan to China in exchange for some cheap oil.  :doge

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on November 17, 2021, 03:55:19 PM
Quote
MR. [ANDERSON] COOPER:  So, are you saying that the United States would come to Taiwan's defense if —

THE PRESIDENT:  Yes.

MR. COOPER:  — China attacked?

THE PRESIDENT:  Yes, we have a commitment to do that.

:cmonson

Granted that was 3 weeks ago. Maybe Bidey changed position already
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on November 17, 2021, 06:06:49 PM
 :bow :bow :bow :chinacry :bow2 :bow2 :bow2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Mr Gilhaney on November 17, 2021, 06:42:46 PM
Quote from: Transhuman on November 17, 2021, 04:17:31 AM
Did you vote for the Greens or just not at all?

Voting for the greens would be like not voting at all.

Voted for a guy at 'Venstre', which directly translates to the left, which is a silly name all things considered. But they're less racist than the big (supposedly) left party at this point who's the main government party, that most other parties on the left supports. Basically it's the party i disagree the least with, who aren't holding the hand under our current state minister. Our current government is a full on focus grouped political party, and I absolutely hate it. They have completely lost their moral compass, to be sure to keep the power at all costs. Stealing the far rights immigration policies and tone and so on.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Denmark
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 17, 2021, 07:09:40 PM
Quote from: Mr Gilhaney on November 17, 2021, 06:42:46 PM
Quote from: Transhuman on November 17, 2021, 04:17:31 AM
Did you vote for the Greens or just not at all?

Voting for the greens would be like not voting at all.

Voted for a guy at 'Venstre', which directly translates to the left, which is a silly name all things considered. But they're less racist than the big (supposedly) left party at this point who's the main government party, that everyone else on the left supports. Basically it's the party i disagree the least with, who aren't holding the hand under our current state minister. Our current government is a full on focus grouped political party, and I absolutely hate it. They have completely lost their moral compass, to be sure to keep the power at all costs. Stealing the far rights immigration policies and tone and so on.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Denmark
That sounds exactly like Dutch politics.

Even though we have about 17 or 18 parties, we have very few 'real' ​opposition parties left. They've dubbed a number of parties "the reasonable center", along with some institutions and new government bodies created for the pandemic they run everything now.
'Reasonable' includes confiscating farm land, banning the unvaccinated from public spaces and separating children from their parents over tax debts. About 1/3 of the country and the media keeps them in power indefinitely and the 'real' opposition is divided.
Our government resigned March this year and that very same government is still governing as of today.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on November 17, 2021, 10:11:38 PM
https://twitter.com/dylanmatt/status/1459974709844627459
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on November 18, 2021, 10:15:41 AM
This Peng Shuai situation paralells Jamal Khashoggi in that world knows there is a cover-up, yet because of their hubris the perpetrators don't expect western media to actually pursue the story. Ironically, I think if they had refrained from sending that email, Shuai being censored and detained might have faded from public consciousness like they want. I guess they're running through their options now. They can't accept fault, so it's hard to say what will happen. Does WTA kick China out of Tennis? Does Shuai stay hidden away forever permanently? Do they "recondition" her? Does she "committ suicide"? With enough Tennis players bringing attention to this I see this coming to a head sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on November 19, 2021, 02:16:18 PM
Quote from: Transhuman on November 18, 2021, 10:15:41 AM
Does WTA kick China out of Tennis?
WTA is now taking a hardline on this:
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1461501048351346695
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 20, 2021, 01:46:25 PM
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1462113366751821832 (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1462113366751821832)

Naive fraulein meets chad geo politics
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on November 20, 2021, 02:54:45 PM
she just wants more arab bulls  ::)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: samir on November 20, 2021, 05:46:20 PM
No, these lunatics prefer Hazara boys that they can play bacha bazi with.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: T-Short on November 21, 2021, 07:59:49 AM
This was nice, saw this on Twitter: The July 1997 issue of Wired featured an extensive article about The Long Boom, a theorised 25-year period of prosperity and peace spanning from 1995 to 2020. The article also contained the following list of ten things that might potentially spoil this long boom. Pretty far-fetched stuff

(http://capitaltrachea.se/misc/longboom.jpeg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 21, 2021, 04:56:48 PM
:info
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 21, 2021, 05:19:15 PM
https://twitter.com/remilitari/status/1462534511019929604 (https://twitter.com/remilitari/status/1462534511019929604)

https://twitter.com/business/status/1462530770036305920 (https://twitter.com/business/status/1462530770036305920)

https://twitter.com/business/status/1462525214001176576 (https://twitter.com/business/status/1462525214001176576)

:salute
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on November 21, 2021, 06:10:29 PM
SEND THE ZOOMERS TO DIE IN UKRAINE!! DO IT NOW PU$$Y BIDEN!!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 21, 2021, 06:25:12 PM
Either one of these is true

- Warnings and signs about further Russian invasions are bullshit manufactured by US intelligence to stay relevant at a time when Russia has no such plans but Russia leans in to them to look stronger.
- With core EU states coping with a 4th COVID wave, chaos at the border and civil unrest they are too weak and lack the morale and support to make any serious efforts to counter a potential Russian invasion of Ukraine and thus now is the time to strike

I can see Putin resolving the Donbass/Donetsk situation by annexing them officially like Crimea as those seperatist states are growing weaker but I find it hard to believe he would commit hundreds of thousands of troops to invade and occupy former Western Galicia.
Putin usually takes a small slice of a country where the Russian speaking seperatists live and calls it a day. I don't see what he has to gain by pushing further into Ukraine.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Ghoul on November 22, 2021, 06:11:26 AM
https://twitter.com/keejayov3/status/1462728645508751360

I'm going to kill myself. Now.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: SmokyDave on November 22, 2021, 07:25:34 AM
I’ve waited decades for a PM that will represent for Daddy Pig, don’t you dare try and take that away from me.

The words ‘a Picasso-like hairdryer’ might get me to vote Tory.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Ghoul on November 22, 2021, 07:27:55 AM
Quote from: SmokyDave on November 22, 2021, 07:25:34 AM
I’ve waited decades for a PM that will represent for Daddy Pig, don’t you dare try and take that away from me.

The words ‘a Picasso-like hairdryer’ might get me to vote Tory.

 :shaking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Tycoon Padre on November 22, 2021, 11:23:16 AM
Dead cat garbage to distract from the change to the social care bill today - 2.5% of your wages for the rest of your life are going to support exclusively RICH boomers - not mom and pop normie boomers, as was promised :gbcry

https://twitter.com/TorstenBell/status/1462707683488845830

As usual the mongo bongo British press falls for it, hook, line and sinker.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 22, 2021, 11:36:55 AM
Quote from: Ghoul on November 22, 2021, 06:11:26 AM
https://twitter.com/keejayov3/status/1462728645508751360

I'm going to kill myself. Now.
He kept fumbling around with his papers, looking for something that clearly wasn't there. Probably printed the wrong text and had to improvise.
Perhaps the Black Friday shopping list his wife send him.
"Peppa Pig World Children's Book" was clearly one of the items on it. Along with a new hairdryer for the misses, a book about picasso and a new TV.

And by god and for the queen, Boris The Pfeifel Johnson would use his Churchillian oration skills to turn all of those things into an inspiring speech about British ingenuity.  :gbcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 22, 2021, 12:59:11 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1462818751921938437 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1462818751921938437)

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1462810703358840838 (https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1462810703358840838)

 :iface
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on November 22, 2021, 04:10:01 PM
Such a shame that the cabinet is too fucking stupid to realise things are going badly then.  :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on November 22, 2021, 09:23:56 PM
https://twitter.com/HuXijin_GT/status/1462414968268095490
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on November 23, 2021, 08:48:00 AM
 :hesright
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 23, 2021, 07:53:45 PM
Quote from: who is ted danson? on November 22, 2021, 04:10:01 PM
Such a shame that the cabinet is too fucking stupid to realise things are going badly then.  :lol :lol :lol
I don't think any of them want to take over in the middle of this mess.

As Cummings explained in the "man who plays video games all day explains video games to people who never do" interview the plan was to put Boris in the saddle to win the election and get Brexit done and then through pressure from donors, special interest groups and a leadership contest replace him with Gove or another muppet somehow because Boris knew he was in over his head and basically fuck the people and especially the communists. But then Boris' new girlfriend(now wife) took control at number 10 and the next thing you know there is a pandemic and Cummings is fired/resigned and with him the 'brain' leaves the operation.

Another thing he mentioned in that interview is that with him gone there were no plans, policies or ideals except to keep the missus happy.
After the "rally behind the flag" and "don't rock the boat" effect of COVID has waned the whole thing will probably collapse pretty quickly.
Even though by some miracle Boris hardly scored the worst out of all the European leaders in dealing with the pandemic.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 24, 2021, 01:51:14 PM
https://twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1463554089548226573 (https://twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1463554089548226573)

we need more women in government  :heart
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on November 24, 2021, 04:38:13 PM
Quote from: https://www.yahoo.com/news/swedens-parliament-approves-first-female-090946631.html
Hours after being tapped as Sweden’s first female prime minister, Magdalena Andersson resigned Wednesday after suffering a budget defeat in parliament and her coalition partner the Greens left the two-party minority government.

The government’s own budget proposal was rejected in favor of one presented by the opposition that includes the right-wing populist Sweden Democrats. Sweden’s third-largest party is rooted in a neo-Nazi movement. The vote was 154-143 in favor of the opposition’s budget proposal.

Andersson, leader of the Social Democratic party, decided it was best to step down from the post more than seven hours after she made history by becoming the first woman to lead the country.

”For me, it is about respect, but I also do not want to lead a government where there may be grounds to question its legitimacy,” Andersson told a news conference.
Quote
Even though the Green Party pulled its support for her government, it said it is prepared to stand behind Andersson in a new vote to tap a prime minister.
Quote
Earlier in the day, 117 lawmakers voted yes to Andersson, 174 rejected her appointment while 57 abstained and one lawmaker was absent.

Under the Swedish Constitution, prime ministers can be named and govern as long as a parliamentary majority — a minimum of 175 lawmakers — is not against them.

Sweden’s next general election is scheduled for Sept. 11.
Well, congratulations, I guess.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 24, 2021, 05:20:43 PM
The Greens really hate Democracy when it doesn't suit them.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on November 24, 2021, 06:07:53 PM
It's there a Greens Party anywhere in the world that isn't made up of absolute fucking self-interested wankers?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: jorma on November 25, 2021, 01:52:01 AM
This wasn't the greens fault to be fair, it was the "center" party who voted against the budget they negotiated with the socdems because the socdems promised the left party to raise the no income pensions in return for their (needed) support in the pm vote and the budget vote. This made the centrist go bananas and scream "leftist extremism NO THANK YOU" even though raising those pensions is in their own party program.
They're looking like fucking babies right now.

And the greens didn't want to govern on a budget that wasn't theirs, an understandable position. Even if the main problem they had with the budget wasn't what it contained but rather that it was "tainted" by SD.

The likely outcome of this is that the socdems will still rule, but without the greens. Not the worst of outcomes in the end  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: T-Short on November 26, 2021, 07:39:05 AM
https://twitter.com/adamndsmith/status/1464177573076869120

fucking hell
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 26, 2021, 02:05:50 PM
 :hesright

Tony's right on this one, I hate the prick but his political radar works.
What the 'woke' left (thankfully) fails to understand is that you need to gain power first and then you can just do whatever.

Mark Rutte and Merkel never campaigned on any of the things they are doing now.
If Merkel had said she would accept millions of refugees and depend on Russia for energy no one but Putin would've voted for her.

It's simply a numbers game.

If Keir dies on the LGTBQ+ and Brexit referendum hill, then he will die there alone.
Except for a very small group of flagellating boomers who admittedly hold a lot of power, no one wants to be told they are bigots/racists/bad people or want to pay billions to save the climate.
However in general people do want a whole bunch of other things the left (used) to fight for like affordable housing, better wages and healthcare.

You don't need more evidence of this than people jumping on Blair for saying that Labour participation in the culture war worked against them politically and not that he's a war criminal.
Blair and Brown are the reasons that Boris is now PM of the UK and the 'woke' ideals are what will get him reelected.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on November 26, 2021, 05:28:13 PM
How do you lose any election when your platform in its simplest forms is making society more fair?

I dunno, but just ask pretty much any centre left party in a civilised western country over the past few decades.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 26, 2021, 06:29:32 PM
Quote from: Potato on November 26, 2021, 05:28:13 PM
How do you lose any election when your platform in its simplest forms is making society more fair?

I dunno, but just ask pretty much any centre left party in a civilised western country over the past few decades.
Because voters are racist :trumps

And especially the poor working class should FUCK OFF with their white nonsense.

Looks like they all had a good time
https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/1464371256749445120 (https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/1464371256749445120)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: jorma on November 27, 2021, 01:53:03 AM
Quote from: Nintex on November 26, 2021, 06:29:32 PM
Quote from: Potato on November 26, 2021, 05:28:13 PM
How do you lose any election when your platform in its simplest forms is making society more fair?

I dunno, but just ask pretty much any centre left party in a civilised western country over the past few decades.
Because voters are racist :trumps

And especially the poor working class should FUCK OFF with their white nonsense.

Looks like they all had a good time
https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/1464371256749445120 (https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/1464371256749445120)

i like how they are using a round table to show how everyone at the table is equal!  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 28, 2021, 05:29:47 AM
https://twitter.com/MalaliBashir/status/1464706953335263232 (https://twitter.com/MalaliBashir/status/1464706953335263232)
Sharia Clause is broke :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 29, 2021, 06:35:58 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1464274117549604868 (https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1464274117549604868)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on November 29, 2021, 06:41:23 PM
Quote from: Nintex on November 28, 2021, 05:29:47 AM
https://twitter.com/MalaliBashir/status/1464706953335263232 (https://twitter.com/MalaliBashir/status/1464706953335263232)
Sharia Clause is broke :trumps

Good news for the Biden administration. It's all Allah's fault!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 30, 2021, 03:29:11 PM
It literally included cancelling Christmas but they didn't get away with it.
https://www.balkanweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/europa.pdf (https://www.balkanweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/europa.pdf)
https://twitter.com/helenadalli/status/1465639346103533573 (https://twitter.com/helenadalli/status/1465639346103533573)

Quote
if we always portray mothers as child-carers, we perpetuate harmful
stereotypes

Quote
In case of doubt, use ‘Mx’

Quote
Ask how they describe themselves. ‘What are your
pronouns?

Quote
‘As of today, people living in the EU are protected
by a new regulation.’

Quote
Example: ‘Sofia is a new mum and a wheelchair user.
Due to photosensitivity issues she cannot drive.’

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on November 30, 2021, 04:16:52 PM
It's not like anyone takes the EU seriously anyway
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 30, 2021, 06:04:32 PM
https://twitter.com/ForexLive/status/1465804102521217024 (https://twitter.com/ForexLive/status/1465804102521217024)

Wall Street seems to think things are afoot.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on November 30, 2021, 10:59:39 PM
https://twitter.com/IlvesToomas/status/1465682170840850434
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on December 01, 2021, 04:34:02 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 30, 2021, 10:59:39 PM
https://twitter.com/IlvesToomas/status/1465682170840850434
Is it really bizarre that Russia is currently trying to rewrite history?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 01, 2021, 05:25:07 AM
The Russians have hammered on the fact that the EU/US took liberties with WW2 history when it suited them so they consider it a 'reap what you sow' sort of thing.
One of the things that triggers them is the Molotov/Ribbentrop pact they they consider to be part of a big number of treaties that the Nazi's signed with other European powers before the war.

And considering the Russians did overthrow their own communist rulers they also feel like they defeated both the Nazi's and Communists.

It's a difficult subject considering there are a lot of grey areas and the records are incomplete. A lot of history has already been adjusted based on new findings, it took until 1990 for definitive proof to surface that the Soviets were behind the Katyn Massacre.
The irony is that these days mostly the Russians are digging through the archives of letters and intelligence reports. They arguably have the largest collection of historical materials related to WW2 especially on events leading up to the war as the Soviets had the most extensive spy network.

The Winter War is one of those strange events like the Spanish civil war (or even the Korean war) ​which puts into question when WW2 actually started (or ended) and who started it.
The fact that the Russians know their history well makes it easier for them to change the narrative to what suits them best. After all history is written by the winners.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on December 01, 2021, 08:45:34 PM
https://twitter.com/kendallbaker/status/1466124381407621121
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on December 02, 2021, 12:15:27 PM
Fuck yeah
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 02, 2021, 12:22:50 PM
CCP getting cancelled :lawd
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 02, 2021, 01:30:00 PM
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1466350620370259970 (https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1466350620370259970)

https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/status/1466316017324412930 (https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/status/1466316017324412930)

https://twitter.com/France24_en/status/1466471244807692301 (https://twitter.com/France24_en/status/1466471244807692301)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFjbJJjXIA4EAMh?format=jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on December 02, 2021, 02:23:06 PM
Finally tennis is interesting.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 02, 2021, 07:52:10 PM
https://twitter.com/OKnox/status/1466552620240277506 (https://twitter.com/OKnox/status/1466552620240277506)
They should answer the phone and yell:
"WHERE THE HELL IS PENG"
And then hang up on the Chicoms.

But they won't. They'll sell out the US and sing a song in praise of Eternal leader Xi Jinping.
Ah look there it is.
Quote
Business executives that remain committed to China, however, continue to defend the Chinese leadership and backtrack rapidly if they offend Beijing, intentionally or otherwise.
Spineless cowards.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on December 03, 2021, 03:31:10 AM
Look China, you can't just "disappear" one of your own citizens. Get with the program!

Make them suicide themselves three times in the back of the head with a shotgun.

Or put them in jail for being "drunk and disorderly" and watch them suicide themselves with their suicide proof gown.

Or make a cop who is "having a bad day" catch them dropping litter.

Or drone strike them whilst they attend a wedding in Pakistan.

The possibilities are endless guys  :brain
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 03, 2021, 06:51:33 PM
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1466834172891254789 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1466834172891254789)

Ok, we're fucked now.

https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1466878018643714051 (https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1466878018643714051)

https://twitter.com/L0gg0l/status/1466925905482289156 (https://twitter.com/L0gg0l/status/1466925905482289156)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 04, 2021, 12:57:24 PM
https://twitter.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/1467190634566111238 (https://twitter.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/1467190634566111238)

 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on December 04, 2021, 10:31:37 PM
https://twitter.com/camilapress/status/1467235255203606532


 :maduro
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 05, 2021, 04:25:40 PM
Water is wet

https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1467464468321951749 (https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1467464468321951749)

They tested 12 sites around parliament, 11 tested positive for cocaine.  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 05, 2021, 06:47:00 PM
The leader of Donetsk is now officially a member of the Russia United Party.
Plus all those living in Donetsk will be granted Russian citizenship.
https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1467450269315252226 (https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1467450269315252226)

Medvedev about to brief the folks on where the GDI power plants are

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFgrabFVcAYPpMt?format=jpg)

1984
https://twitter.com/olegbut52/status/1467400774925922307 (https://twitter.com/olegbut52/status/1467400774925922307)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 06, 2021, 01:03:52 PM
https://twitter.com/shashj/status/1467868291226116096 (https://twitter.com/shashj/status/1467868291226116096)

With nuclear talks stalled in Vienna the Israeli's want the US to

bomb bomb bomb
bomb bomb
Iran Yemen
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on December 06, 2021, 04:41:52 PM
 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 06, 2021, 06:51:12 PM
https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1467993777159778311 (https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1467993777159778311)

https://twitter.com/Rover829/status/1468003465163165699 (https://twitter.com/Rover829/status/1468003465163165699)

It's a good thing Putin doesn't read anything
https://twitter.com/Rover829/status/1468006384079814659 (https://twitter.com/Rover829/status/1468006384079814659)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on December 07, 2021, 12:01:16 AM
Quote from: Nintex on December 05, 2021, 04:25:40 PM
They tested 12 sites around parliament, 11 tested positive for cocaine.  :lol
It's probably the currency, 92% of U.S. currency and at least 80% of UK currency tests positive for drugs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_currency

U.S. currency is so saturated with drug residue that a drug dog "alerting" on it is generally not sufficient probable cause. One of the few actual restrictions on drug dogs. (Which is a borderline pseudoscience anyway, but I digress...)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 07, 2021, 06:26:43 PM
No, they're all mentally insane and on drugs all day every day in Bri'ish parliament

https://twitter.com/mi6rogue/status/1468310428665233427 (https://twitter.com/mi6rogue/status/1468310428665233427)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 07, 2021, 06:36:35 PM
Don't worry guys, if Putin invades Ukraine we're going to
*checks notes*

*checks notes again*

Cut our own gas supply :dead

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1468325762784714763 (https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1468325762784714763)

Or we nuke em :idont

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1468327122133467143 (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1468327122133467143)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: T-Short on December 08, 2021, 07:59:29 AM
https://twitter.com/gayblackvet/status/1468279448260648962
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 08, 2021, 10:05:09 AM
These takes are so hot they burn your fingers.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGDKtbBXIAcwUd0?format=jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGDBBWFX0AMa9NL?format=png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 08, 2021, 11:23:21 AM
Quote from: Nintex on December 07, 2021, 06:26:43 PM
No, they're all mentally insane and on drugs all day every day in Bri'ish parliament

https://twitter.com/mi6rogue/status/1468310428665233427 (https://twitter.com/mi6rogue/status/1468310428665233427)

Party's over folks

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1468611476390879235 (https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1468611476390879235)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on December 08, 2021, 12:03:36 PM
Her fake cry is at least marginally better than Cockhands:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnV9LumDxZk
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 08, 2021, 12:53:20 PM
I'm sort of bewildered how Dominic Cummings continues to mount stronger opposition to the Conservatives than Labour :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 08, 2021, 01:17:44 PM
the cumdog was the real resistance all along :stahp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 08, 2021, 01:20:39 PM
tbh all this shit just leaves me :idont, a Boris Johnson government operating on a rules for thee not for me basis, and giving out juicy gov contracts to their mates, only a blind man couldn't have seen that coming
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 08, 2021, 01:29:28 PM
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1468633449816862725 (https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1468633449816862725)

 :obama
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on December 08, 2021, 03:55:57 PM
https://twitter.com/adorey_stephen/status/1468549744880463873
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on December 08, 2021, 04:20:46 PM
edit: beaten
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 09, 2021, 05:53:22 PM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1469066130522312716 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1469066130522312716)

These clowns can't do anything right
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on December 09, 2021, 08:31:57 PM
https://twitter.com/AfricaFactsZone/status/1468492824010178561

drag their asses king
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on December 10, 2021, 02:52:19 AM
Quote from: Raist on December 08, 2021, 03:55:57 PM
https://twitter.com/adorey_stephen/status/1468549744880463873

What was dis
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on December 10, 2021, 03:53:21 AM
it was an unreleased norm vid with him dropping n bombs in super dave's voice  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on December 10, 2021, 09:42:05 AM
Quote from: T-Short on December 08, 2021, 07:59:29 AM
twitter.com/gayblackvet/status/1468279448260648962
https://twitter.com/Oday_M/status/1468323478738714627
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on December 11, 2021, 12:10:46 PM
https://twitter.com/hkfp/status/1469333399462502400

don't think that's how it works
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 11, 2021, 05:53:53 PM
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1469789654459338756 (https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1469789654459338756)

Quick Boris, invade France before the bastards get you!

https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1469806055987290115 (https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1469806055987290115)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on December 12, 2021, 12:33:07 AM
the tories are party animals  :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on December 13, 2021, 04:14:43 PM
https://twitter.com/adrianzenz/status/1470038546778001409

 :awesome

https://twitter.com/annalecta/status/1470486801261469697
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on December 14, 2021, 03:37:23 AM
https://twitter.com/alfonslopeztena/status/1470516994285965319

Wow, Denmark. Actually jailing politicians for wrongdoing. That's pretty chad pilled.

 :salute

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:fbm :gbcry
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 14, 2021, 03:46:15 AM
Underage? I guess Abdul likes them young like Jeffrey and Bill :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on December 17, 2021, 07:14:31 AM
(https://c.tenor.com/oaOhOhH9f8cAAAAC/england-lol.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on December 17, 2021, 12:48:51 PM
Quote from: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskUK/comments/riel3h/lost_my_job_for_gross_misconduct_what_now/
Lost my job for gross misconduct, what now?
I had acted inappropriately at a work do. What do I say to future employers asking why I left and how can I mitigate my losses here? My company stated they would not mention it to future employers and I got that in writing, but I am still worried.

Cheers

Edit: I was chanting IRA songs in England, in an English company and being a general dick head to people and other members of staff. I’m not even Irish.

Edit 2: wowzers this got more popular than I imagined, thanks for all the great responses. I wasn’t at my company long but, I think I’ll mention that it wasn’t right for me and I wasn’t being utilised appropriately. I’m just worried they’ll be asking about leaving early as apposed to just switching over jobs, hopefully I’ll figure out something.

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 17, 2021, 02:13:46 PM
:dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on December 17, 2021, 02:57:02 PM
That's a bold strategy Cotton Johnson.

Unbelievable :lol


https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1471827747240566785
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on December 19, 2021, 12:23:28 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1472300576146960388
Lol, the UK is so fucked
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on December 19, 2021, 09:05:15 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59719162

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/126AE/production/_122283457_whatsapp.jpg)

 :sicko
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on December 21, 2021, 11:18:39 AM
https://twitter.com/invictu99865964/status/1472686104734310401
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: jorma on December 21, 2021, 01:34:36 PM
Quote from: who is ted danson? on December 21, 2021, 11:18:39 AM
https://twitter.com/invictu99865964/status/1472686104734310401


I don't know how much the rest of you know about british terrace culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by pussifying your chant. If you censor yourself in britain, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repeatedly calling someone a cunt.
What this means is the british public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to like your post on either the forum or the discord, nor will they follow any of your social media accounts. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but you have alienated an entire market with this move.
publicly apologize and cancel yourself or you can kiss your social media presence goodbye.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on December 21, 2021, 06:17:32 PM
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/amazon-agreed-to-scrub-poor-reviews-of-xi-on-chinas-site-7tzgjhmt6?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1640017944
Quote
Amazon quietly removed criticism of President Xi’s books by scrubbing bad reviews, ratings and comments from its Chinese site, it has emerged.

The US retail giant agreed to Beijing’s demand to have anything below a five-star review of Xi Jinping’s book The Governance of China removed from Amazon.cn about two years ago, Reuters reported, citing two unidentified sources.

The move is the latest example of western tech companies willing to work with Chinese censors for access to the country’s massive consumer market.

A search of Xi Jinping returned 82 results on Amazon.cn, and the vast majority of books either written by or written about the president had the ratings and comments disabled.
Won't even allow a four star review, "excellent but I have a couple critiques." :awesome
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on December 21, 2021, 06:21:29 PM
Fragile as fuck
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on December 22, 2021, 11:43:19 AM
https://twitter.com/mi6rogue/status/1473428791007535108

Another one.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HardcoreRetro on December 23, 2021, 06:08:09 AM
I'm glad they warned about the bad language.

Cxxt is meant to be cunt.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on December 24, 2021, 05:40:46 AM
https://twitter.com/DanBoeckner/status/1472734461833928709
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Tycoon Padre on December 29, 2021, 09:15:42 AM
Definitely, totally, very much an honest answer:

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1476140358711009281

:juicy

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on December 29, 2021, 02:18:00 PM
https://twitter.com/MargBarAmerica/status/1475932867389755408
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 29, 2021, 02:31:56 PM
Afghan War is over, time to start new war.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on December 29, 2021, 07:56:26 PM
https://twitter.com/caoilfhionnanna/status/1476320335301595148

 :neogaf :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on December 29, 2021, 08:07:26 PM
Quote from: who is ted danson? on December 29, 2021, 07:56:26 PM
twitter.com/caoilfhionnanna/status/1476320335301595148

 :neogaf :dead
no fucks given by the Dersh:
https://twitter.com/sarahchurchwell/status/1476321690036719618
https://twitter.com/nadiawhittomemp/status/1476330469847412738
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: tiesto on December 29, 2021, 11:52:06 PM
Quote from: who is ted danson? on December 22, 2021, 11:43:19 AM
https://twitter.com/mi6rogue/status/1473428791007535108

Another one.

I need to know the name of the original song of this, had it in my head all day...
it sounds like some mid 90s britpop, i.e. Sugababes, Girls Aloud, D*ream...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on December 30, 2021, 12:39:08 AM
https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1476281047935500289

 :dead

spoiler (click to show/hide)
^anybody who tried to seriously check them
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on December 30, 2021, 05:32:04 AM
Quote from: tiesto on December 29, 2021, 11:52:06 PM
Quote from: who is ted danson? on December 22, 2021, 11:43:19 AM
https://twitter.com/mi6rogue/status/1473428791007535108

Another one.

I need to know the name of the original song of this, had it in my head all day...
it sounds like some mid 90s britpop, i.e. Sugababes, Girls Aloud, D*ream...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeqtAB1WgEw
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on December 31, 2021, 05:14:13 PM
Quote from: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-31/germany-shuts-down-half-of-its-remaining-nuclear-plants
Berlin (AP) -- Germany on Friday shut down half of the six nuclear plants it still has in operation, a year before the country draws the final curtain on its decades-long use of atomic power.

...

Some in Germany have called for the decision on ending the use of nuclear power to be reconsidered because the power plants already in operation produce relatively little carbon dioxide. Advocates of atomic energy argue that it can help Germany meet its climate targets for reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

But the German government said this week that decommissioning all nuclear plants next year and then phasing out the use of coal by 2030 won’t affect the country’s energy security or its goal of making Europe's biggest economy “climate neutral” by 2045.

...

Germany's remaining three nuclear plants — Emsland, Isar and Neckarwestheim — will be powered down by the end of 2022.

While some jobs will be lost, utility company RWE said more than two-thirds of the 600 workers at its Gundremmingen nuclear power station will continue to be involved in post-shutdown operations through to the 2030s. Germany's nuclear power companies will receive almost $3 billion for the early shutdown of their plants.

Environment Minister Steffi Lemke has dismissed suggestions that a new generation of nuclear power plants might prompt Germany to change course yet again.

“Nuclear power plants remain high-risk facilities that produce highly radioactive atomic waste,” she told the Funke media group this week.
:science
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on January 02, 2022, 04:54:19 PM
https://twitter.com/SalemLola/status/1477583926566735876
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on January 02, 2022, 05:47:28 PM
https://twitter.com/MichaelPSenger/status/1477349404365393920
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: T-Short on January 03, 2022, 05:58:57 AM
https://twitter.com/pixelatedboat/status/1477955669152059394
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on January 03, 2022, 07:54:11 PM
https://twitter.com/globeandmail/status/1477708658263793667
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 05, 2022, 03:52:55 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59884801

Pope Francis says choosing pets over kids is selfish  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on January 05, 2022, 04:33:43 PM
I mean, Pope Francis chose an imaginary sky fairy over kids...

Edit: Holy shit, the quotes in that article just make me angry.

Quote
The Pope's comments came as he was discussing parenthood during a general audience at the Vatican in Rome.

"Today ... we see a form of selfishness," he told the audience. "We see that some people do not want to have a child.

"Sometimes they have one, and that's it, but they have dogs and cats that take the place of children

Imagine a guy who is the head of an organisation that excludes women and whose members take a vow of celibacy discussing parenthood?

Get fucked
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on January 05, 2022, 04:44:27 PM
I mean his organisation relies on endoctrinating fresh souls (and other despicable things) so I'm not shocked he's mad people don't have 6+ kids each to send to sunday school these days.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on January 05, 2022, 04:46:29 PM
Quote from: Potato on January 05, 2022, 04:33:43 PM
I mean, Pope Francis chose an imaginary sky fairy over kids...

Oh he chose kids as well… :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on January 05, 2022, 05:00:38 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/UrbanNathalia/status/1478767039481274370

 :point
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: tiesto on January 06, 2022, 12:37:08 AM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on January 05, 2022, 03:52:55 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59884801

Pope Francis says choosing pets over kids is selfish  :lol

Probably just upset his buddies won't have more kids to molest.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on January 06, 2022, 10:27:21 PM
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1478757365604397065
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on January 07, 2022, 08:19:35 AM
Episode 17 of the Boris and Carrie need money for their fancy flat refurbishment show.

If you're just joining us, they got a big """loan""" from a Tory Peer, which was never disclosed.

When asked, Boris said "didn't know he was involved, soz".

When asked how come then an investigation found Whatsapp messages from him to said peer asking for "more money", the answer then became "well I thought he was managing the thing, not paying himself".


And now:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59906637

"Pls more money, Carrie has expensive tastes. I'll sort out your exhibition thing breh".

Unbelievable :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 07, 2022, 09:30:47 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 06, 2022, 10:27:21 PM
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1478757365604397065

woah if true
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on January 09, 2022, 08:20:21 PM
https://twitter.com/Eve_Barlow/status/1480200643029594114

 :teehee
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Tycoon Padre on January 10, 2022, 02:35:59 PM
UK energy price update:

https://mobile.twitter.com/FT/status/1480616001481883650
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on January 10, 2022, 03:49:10 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 07, 2022, 08:19:35 AM
Episode 17 of the Boris and Carrie need money for their fancy flat refurbishment show.

If you're just joining us, they got a big """loan""" from a Tory Peer, which was never disclosed.

When asked, Boris said "didn't know he was involved, soz".

When asked how come then an investigation found Whatsapp messages from him to said peer asking for "more money", the answer then became "well I thought he was managing the thing, not paying himself".


And now:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59906637

"Pls more money, Carrie has expensive tastes. I'll sort out your exhibition thing breh".

Unbelievable :lol

Oh, he came up with a new one.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59940607

Quote
The PM offered a "humble and sincere apology", and said the messages were sent from a previous mobile phone, which he did not have access to, and he "did not recall the message exchange".


I fully expect the next one to be "I filled in the paperwork to declare that donation but my dog ate it before I got a chance to mail it :yeshrug"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Tycoon Padre on January 11, 2022, 05:52:48 PM
Now things are getting really spicy

https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1481025545387315202

https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1480922753867911179
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on January 12, 2022, 12:59:01 PM
Quote
The prime minister has apologised for attending a drinks party in Downing Street's garden during lockdown in May 2020.

Here's what he said:

Mr Speaker, I want to apologise. I know that millions of people across this country have made extraordinary sacrifices over the last 18 months. I know the anguish that they have been through - unable to mourn their relatives, unable to live their lives as they want or do the things they love. And I know the rage they feel with me and with the government I lead, when they think that in Downing Street itself the rules are not being properly followed by the people who make the rules."

And though I cannot anticipate the conclusions of the current inquiry I have learned enough to know there were things we simply did not get right and I must take responsibility. Number 10 is a big department with the garden as an extension of the office - which has been in constant use because of the role of fresh air in stopping the virus. And when I went into that garden just after six on the 20th of May 2020, to thank groups of staff before going back into my office 25 minutes later to continue working, I believed implicitly that this was a work event."

But, Mr Speaker, with hindsight I should have sent everyone back inside, I should have found some other way to thank them and I should have recognised that even if it could be said technically to fall within the guidance, there would be millions and millions of people who simply would not see it that way. People who suffered terribly - people who were forbidden from meeting loved ones at all, inside or outside. And to them and to this house I offer my heartfelt apologies. And all I ask is that Sue Gray be allowed to complete her inquiry into that day and several others so that the full facts can be established."


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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on January 13, 2022, 02:26:41 PM
https://twitter.com/websiteidi0t/status/1478817666127343621
https://twitter.com/MattLech/status/1481655746286653445
 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 13, 2022, 08:21:45 PM
https://twitter.com/Tony_Diver/status/1481741337951195136 (https://twitter.com/Tony_Diver/status/1481741337951195136)

Now they'v e done it  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 15, 2022, 04:44:04 PM
https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1482399525847416837 (https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1482399525847416837)

https://twitter.com/euronews/status/1482422102703624197 (https://twitter.com/euronews/status/1482422102703624197)

:kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 16, 2022, 05:47:16 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJPWFF7WUAcGoXW?format=jpg)

https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1482845043014647811 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1482845043014647811)

You think?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 16, 2022, 08:21:01 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/jan/16/bbc-licence-fee-to-be-abolished-in-2027-and-funding-frozen

Another step for the UK into international irrelevance. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on January 16, 2022, 11:40:22 PM
Quote
The decision, confirmed by government sources, was briefed to the media as part of a range of measures designed to shore up public support for Boris Johnson after he has faced calls to resign as prime minister.
Quote
The government has repeatedly criticised the corporation’s news output, claiming it is biased against the government and linking negative coverage of the prime minister to the licence fee negotiations.

The BBC has faced repeated deep real-terms spending cuts since the start of the Tory-Liberal Democrat coalition government in 2010, with the Conservatives forcing the broadcaster to pay for free licences for the over-75s – then blaming it when they took the benefit away.
:gbcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on January 17, 2022, 12:28:29 PM
Biased against the government :lol With Kuenssberg as senior political editor :lol


In other news:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60022022

Quote
ut Mr Zahawi told the BBC Mr Johnson would remain in place, adding that "he's human and we make mistakes".

I guess all the folks who were fined / arrested / sacked aren't human then  ::)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on January 17, 2022, 12:56:03 PM
I suspect the reason the tories aren't pushing him out now is because they all (most probably) have a cheeky broken lockdown rules scandal that can be used against them too. Let Bozza take it up the arse from the press until the panny calms down, hope no one cares anymore in 6 months then knife him over his next scandal (there will be one).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 17, 2022, 01:42:26 PM
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1483023169678192644 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1483023169678192644)

 :info
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 17, 2022, 03:38:06 PM
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1483156617021509636 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1483156617021509636)

Of course Cummings is behind party gate  :lol


Meanwhile on the eastern front, the Canadians are sending special forces to Ukraine and the UK is scrambling to deliver anti-tank missiles and other military aid to Ukraine.
However the Germans no longer allow the UK to use their air space for such weapon shipments. The German foreign minister is now in Moscow in a last bid to get the Russians back to the negotiating table.
https://twitter.com/KyleJGlen/status/1483143471510736897 (https://twitter.com/KyleJGlen/status/1483143471510736897)

Meanwhile Russia has moved its troops into Belarus for 'drills' , Sweden has mobilized and Dutch warships are en route and some have already arrived in the Baltic to back up our allies there.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on January 18, 2022, 11:10:22 AM
https://twitter.com/Halalcoholism/status/1482930326318239744
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on January 18, 2022, 01:07:09 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av-embeds/60039868/vpid/p0bhxv4p


I guess he took the same acting classes as Hancock.

(referring to this https://youtu.be/20vIcOT-7eo (https://youtu.be/20vIcOT-7eo) )
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 18, 2022, 03:09:02 PM
https://twitter.com/theragex/status/1483516492733943809 (https://twitter.com/theragex/status/1483516492733943809)

It just keeps escalating with no end in sight.
The Russians can strike Kiev from Belarus now that they've moved their forces there and the Russian fleet is heading towards the Baltic.
The UK shipped about a 1000 anti-tank missiles to Ukraine in response.

https://twitter.com/DefenceGeek/status/1483518201661206533  (https://twitter.com/DefenceGeek/status/1483518201661206533)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on January 19, 2022, 10:27:33 AM
Shots fired by the ex-Brexit minister (under May, he resigned in 2018 promptly followed by none other than Bobo who was then foreign Secretary)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av-embeds/60056482/vpid/p0bj1t3w

 :sabu
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 19, 2022, 04:51:34 PM
The UK parliament is my favorite. In all these countries they worry about the tone of debate, no one is allowed to laugh or clap and they lose their shit when someone shouts.
And in the UK it's just a bunch of mostly middle aged men yelling, stamping, clamping and hollering. HEAR HEAR!


Anyhow, in less jolly news Biden just said that Putin can go into Ukraine as long as it's only the tip  :doge

https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1483919365380706312 (https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1483919365380706312)

This is absolutely ridiculous
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1483917818173210624 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1483917818173210624)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 19, 2022, 05:14:56 PM
This is not only ridiculous but also very dangerous.
https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/1483922168362590212 (https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/1483922168362590212)

https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/1483924152083890180 (https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/1483924152083890180)

Biden admits on the record that NATO is divided.
No wonder they didn't let this guy do press conferences.

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1483904344001073154 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1483904344001073154)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on January 20, 2022, 10:53:40 AM
https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1484171183264129025

shouldn't have gone woke buddy
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 20, 2022, 02:18:13 PM
Volodomyr should Google "collateral damage" and kick out the US ambassador.
Oh wait, Biden didn't appoint one.

There's two things he can do to make the US care about their latest foreign policy clusterfuck:
- Invite Trump
- Announce he found some oil
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on January 20, 2022, 03:00:31 PM
https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1484106724768428035


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgq4fw6o8Gc
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 20, 2022, 05:26:58 PM
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1484290018755727367 (https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1484290018755727367)

It's like someone bugged all of parliament.


https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1484270718896455697 (https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1484270718896455697)
FOREIGN POLICY EXPERTS
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on January 20, 2022, 06:06:11 PM
Quote from: Nintex on January 19, 2022, 04:51:34 PM
Anyhow, in less jolly news Biden just said that Putin can go into Ukraine as long as it's only the tip  :doge
This is fake news:
https://twitter.com/gingerfromMA/status/1483935209892593674
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 21, 2022, 01:25:36 PM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1484581210286432264 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1484581210286432264)

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1484586706674360322 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1484586706674360322)

those war drums are getting a beatin

The reality of the situation is that Putin can only keep his best units patrolling the border regions until boredom sets in and he has to replace them with fresh troops again.
The Russians need to supply and feed divisions moved from the far east of Russia to Belarus stationed within 10 miles of Ukraine in sparsely populated areas.

And the longer the Russians wait to take action, the stronger Ukraine will have been reinforced by NATO, making it harder for Russia to achieve its strategic objectives without huge losses.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 21, 2022, 03:22:38 PM
Germany however, will not touch Ukraine with a 10 feet missile.

https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1484609511889543171 (https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1484609511889543171)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on January 21, 2022, 03:55:39 PM
Quote from: Nintex on January 21, 2022, 01:25:36 PM
And the longer the Russians wait to take action, the stronger Ukraine will have been reinforced by NATO, making it harder for Russia to achieve its strategic objectives without huge losses.
Ukraine is not a member of NATO.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kunai With Chain on January 21, 2022, 05:07:58 PM
Apparently German Navy Chief went to India and decided to go all real politics, probably not realizing the session was being recorded...

On China:

https://twitter.com/sidhant/status/1484600192611815425

https://twitter.com/sidhant/status/1484589590073978880

On Russian and Ukraine:

https://twitter.com/sidhant/status/1484602234185072641

https://twitter.com/sidhant/status/1484601636907786240

https://twitter.com/sidhant/status/1484600974417469440


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 21, 2022, 07:41:31 PM
Quote
Ukraine is not a member of NATO.
The UK is flying in anti-tank missiles and more states such as the US, Canada and the Netherlands are providing arms and support.
NATO countries are reinforcing Ukraine except for Germany.

But as the post above this one shows, the Germans are able to look past the machinations of the Americans and the sabre rattling of the Russians and understand why Russia is lashing out towards the west.
The Russians fear the Chinese more than we do and are even less prepared to defend against China or defend their sattelites and allies against China. After all they will be the closest target now that NATO has pulled out of Afghanistan.

The Germans have been signaling to the Russians all week with various proposals on trade, technology and energy: forget about the Americans and their sanctions and ally with us
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/germany-offers-cooperation-renewables-defuse-tensions-with-russia-2022-01-21/ (https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/germany-offers-cooperation-renewables-defuse-tensions-with-russia-2022-01-21/)

What Germany has in production capacity they lack in raw materials. They currently rely on the Dutch ports for imports but our infrastructure can hardly keep up with demand.
Imagine if all the modern economies of Europe had access to what ammounts to an infinite supply of raw materials. Materials they currently sell to China because of sanctions.

I think we're at a turning point here. Either Russia picks war and gets picked apart by the vultures or they come to their senses and ally with Germany to rebuilt the Panzer Corps this time not to capture Moscow but to defend it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on January 22, 2022, 12:08:26 PM
Quote from: Nintex on January 21, 2022, 07:41:31 PM
The UK is flying in anti-tank missiles and more states such as the US, Canada and the Netherlands are providing arms and support.
NATO countries are reinforcing Ukraine except for Germany.
According to NATO the only deployments in Ukraine are British training officers. Ukraine buying arms from other countries as is normal is not NATO support.

Quote from: Nintex on January 21, 2022, 07:41:31 PM
But as the post above this one shows, the Germans are able to look past the machinations of the Americans and the sabre rattling of the Russians and understand why Russia is lashing out towards the west.
The Russians fear the Chinese more than we do and are even less prepared to defend against China or defend their sattelites and allies against China. After all they will be the closest target now that NATO has pulled out of Afghanistan.

I think we're at a turning point here. Either Russia picks war and gets picked apart by the vultures or they come to their senses and ally with Germany to rebuilt the Panzer Corps this time not to capture Moscow but to defend it.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/Fml0fgAxVx1eM/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on January 22, 2022, 12:46:08 PM
https://twitter.com/EenaRuffini/status/1484460018703515648

when the ol sneak through the coat rack move doesn't work
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 22, 2022, 01:16:15 PM
Of course the German admiral has since apologized for his comments.

https://twitter.com/chiefdeunavy/status/1484873540755152898 (https://twitter.com/chiefdeunavy/status/1484873540755152898)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: shosta on January 22, 2022, 01:34:23 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 22, 2022, 12:08:26 PM
According to NATO the only deployments in Ukraine are British training officers. Ukraine buying arms from other countries as is normal is not NATO support.
I think the US has been providing aid and transferring weapons from Lithuania etc.
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/national-security-daily/2022/01/11/inside-bidens-secretive-weapons-shipment-to-ukraine-495686
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Presented by Lockheed Martin
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: shosta on January 22, 2022, 01:39:14 PM
I mean I dunno what the issue you have is with the phrase "NATO support", I thought it was clear that if Russia invades, there'd be significant shipments to support a guerilla war?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on January 22, 2022, 02:03:14 PM
Because NATO support should have something to do with NATO, not countries that also happen to be in NATO pursuing their own geopolitical ends.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 22, 2022, 02:47:05 PM
https://twitter.com/4emberlen/status/1484969079488323584 (https://twitter.com/4emberlen/status/1484969079488323584)

*rolls down window*

COMRADES! Remember It's not NATO just countries that also happen to be in NATO pursuing their own geopolitical ends

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https://twitter.com/anders_aslund/status/1484907973013086211 (https://twitter.com/anders_aslund/status/1484907973013086211)

https://twitter.com/worldonalert/status/1484885606509563904 (https://twitter.com/worldonalert/status/1484885606509563904)

https://twitter.com/LucasFoxNews/status/1484904005822291968 (https://twitter.com/LucasFoxNews/status/1484904005822291968)
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on January 22, 2022, 03:00:05 PM
Calling it actions of NATO implies the conditions of the treaty which requires the response of all member nations to the defense of what is not a member nation.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 22, 2022, 06:48:37 PM
The UK has unveiled a plot by Russian intelligence aimed at installing a pro-Kremlin regime in Kyiv:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/kremlin-plan-to-install-pro-russian-leadership-in-ukraine-exposed (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/kremlin-plan-to-install-pro-russian-leadership-in-ukraine-exposed)
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1485029323513937923 (https://twitter.com/AP/status/1485029323513937923)

The German naval chief has resigned, the US is planning to evacuate the families of embassy workers and perhaps other non-essential personnel.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Rufus on January 22, 2022, 07:18:44 PM
Quote from: Kunai With Chain on January 21, 2022, 05:07:58 PM
Apparently German Navy Chief went to India and decided to go all real politics, probably not realizing the session was being recorded...
Aaaand he's gone:
https://www.dw.com/en/german-navy-chief-sch%C3%B6nbach-resigns-over-comments-on-putin-crimea/a-60525709
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 22, 2022, 07:41:12 PM
The Russians deny the allegations made by the UK government
https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/1485041539218870273 (https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/1485041539218870273)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on January 22, 2022, 07:50:42 PM
Quote from: Nintex on January 22, 2022, 06:48:37 PM
The UK has unveiled a plot by Russian intelligence aimed at installing a pro-Kremlin regime in Kyiv:
https://twitter.com/NW_Horadam/status/1485029853057462272
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 23, 2022, 06:08:10 PM
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1485383222506803202 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1485383222506803202)

Sounds like the Russians will be sending some of their trains back East soon  :lol

https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/1485391540067446787 (https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/1485391540067446787)

https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1485393702273048582 (https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1485393702273048582)
It's offiical now as well as the advice for US citizens to leave and not travel to Ukraine.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 24, 2022, 05:04:52 AM
Israel planning to air lift 75k jews
https://twitter.com/IsraelRadar_com/status/1485508365036015619 (https://twitter.com/IsraelRadar_com/status/1485508365036015619)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 24, 2022, 12:57:51 PM
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1485672787201122305 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1485672787201122305)

the bois did a coup
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on January 24, 2022, 03:48:39 PM
A coup? Those always work out well.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on January 24, 2022, 05:04:08 PM
Better hope they have CIA backing. Nobody does a coup without the CIA funding it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 25, 2022, 02:13:09 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJ9gf0aXMAU59_9?format=png)

The Russians continue to organize their road trip as Tucker Carlson is now more frequently on Russian TV than Vladimir Putin.

https://twitter.com/4emberlen/status/1486052978004213761 (https://twitter.com/4emberlen/status/1486052978004213761)

Poland has started to build the big beautiful wall fence :trumps

https://twitter.com/theragex/status/1486031384510611457 (https://twitter.com/theragex/status/1486031384510611457)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on January 25, 2022, 03:09:40 PM
Quote from: Nintex on January 24, 2022, 05:04:52 AM
Israel planning to air lift 75k jews
https://twitter.com/IsraelRadar_com/status/1485508365036015619 (https://twitter.com/IsraelRadar_com/status/1485508365036015619)

Can Russia invade the Gaza Strip next?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 25, 2022, 08:04:10 PM
https://twitter.com/OstapYarysh/status/1486057634977529860 (https://twitter.com/OstapYarysh/status/1486057634977529860)

FAKE NEWS

The Russians have mobilized like 1/3 the force the US used to invade Iraq and both these are small potatoes compared to the Korean War to which China alone committed 3 million men.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on January 25, 2022, 11:47:28 PM
https://twitter.com/Based__UK/status/1485994546098020364


 :oreilly
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: OnlyRegret on January 26, 2022, 01:18:20 AM
oh those crazy russians
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 26, 2022, 01:08:30 PM
https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/1486379060011884546 (https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/1486379060011884546)

https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1486390535438974985 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1486390535438974985)

 :kermit

Update: Russia does not accept the US proposals and calls them inadequate

Quote
Senator Dzhabarov: US response to Russia's proposals on security guarantees is unsatisfactory and cannot be accepted. Russia will prepare a response within a few days. He admitted that allies, including China, could take part in compiling the answer.

https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1486153680252456962 (https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1486153680252456962)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 27, 2022, 05:38:07 PM
https://twitter.com/MarquardtA/status/1486821462338064392 (https://twitter.com/MarquardtA/status/1486821462338064392)

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on January 27, 2022, 06:12:54 PM
https://twitter.com/DaveClark_AFP/status/1486747213371957251
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 28, 2022, 06:07:39 AM
https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1486977015777476611 (https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1486977015777476611)

https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1486978321925693440 (https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1486978321925693440)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 28, 2022, 07:55:43 AM
https://twitter.com/theragex/status/1487022431084687366 (https://twitter.com/theragex/status/1487022431084687366)

https://twitter.com/theragex/status/1487022495903408135 (https://twitter.com/theragex/status/1487022495903408135)

Lavrov has presented the case for war

It doesn't sound like invasion plans but rather an attack to destroy the PMC, volunteer and militia forces backed by the US.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 28, 2022, 01:55:05 PM
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1487131226322448387 (https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1487131226322448387)

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1487131651138363396 (https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1487131651138363396)

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1487086691978555392 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1487086691978555392)

 :titus
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Tycoon Padre on January 30, 2022, 11:07:17 AM
https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1487814241159630848

Quote
The prime minister’s former chief adviser called his former boss a “complete fuckwit” whose only preoccupations were “Big Ben’s bongs” and “looking at maps” to “order the building of things” in his honour.

:hesright
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 30, 2022, 02:13:21 PM
You should watch the interview Cummings did with the BBC, where he explained all their planning in detail.

Dom is now probably getting increasingly worried that the Ukraine crisis has allowed Boris to channel his inner Churchill and melt away party gate.
When you're on the brink of war the last thing you want as the conservatives is the instability of changing horses.

https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1486008872716353541 (https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1486008872716353541)

The situation in Ukraine has become very confusing.
Ukraine says that there is little danger or rather that they don't think an imminent invasion is happening. The US or rather the White House has openly accused Ukraine of downplaying the threat and the UK also seens an ever growing threat.
The UK went as far as to publish the Kremlin coup plans. The foreign policy wonks are now openly starting to wonder if Zelensky is perhaps aligned with the Kremlin as well, since in his public appearances he provides RT with anti-US sound bites.
Meanwhile the US and UK are shipping more and more arms to Ukraine as Putin sends more and more tanks, troops and now planes to Belarus for unspecified exercises.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on January 31, 2022, 02:21:25 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-60147988?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=61f80f86b6db6b318332c02d%26Bereaved%20Tory%20MP%3A%20Does%20the%20PM%20think%20I%27m%20a%20fool%3F%262022-01-31T16%3A43%3A46.831Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:a30a0d16-4325-437a-b664-3e6712c6e3a5&pinned_post_asset_id=61f80f86b6db6b318332c02d&pinned_post_type=share

:whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on January 31, 2022, 02:45:20 PM
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1487777627486265346

dutch truckers  :lawd
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on January 31, 2022, 03:30:59 PM
The chad conservative Dutch trucker vs the virgin Brazilian liberal trucker
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 31, 2022, 04:07:30 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 31, 2022, 02:21:25 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-60147988?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=61f80f86b6db6b318332c02d%26Bereaved%20Tory%20MP%3A%20Does%20the%20PM%20think%20I%27m%20a%20fool%3F%262022-01-31T16%3A43%3A46.831Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:a30a0d16-4325-437a-b664-3e6712c6e3a5&pinned_post_asset_id=61f80f86b6db6b318332c02d&pinned_post_type=share

:whew
https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1488195029436936192 (https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1488195029436936192)

 :spiders
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 01, 2022, 02:35:48 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/01/new-zealands-catholic-church-admits-14-of-clergy-have-been-accused-of-abuse-since-1950
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on February 01, 2022, 03:29:52 PM
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1488510462819975171


 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 01, 2022, 06:05:07 PM
Boris is exploiting the Ukraine crisis to the fullest as a rally behind the flag moment

Dominic Cummings failed again (https://c.tenor.com/1JOFrp7AXUAAAAAC/next-time.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on February 02, 2022, 01:23:11 AM
I guess, if you ignore the part where journalists tore him a new one during his little trip.

Like this one.

https://twitter.com/jude5456/status/1488568187599921153
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 02, 2022, 06:45:39 AM
https://twitter.com/govindajeggy/status/1488519378601746436 (https://twitter.com/govindajeggy/status/1488519378601746436)

:rimshot
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Tycoon Padre on February 02, 2022, 07:45:14 AM
Quote from: Nintex on February 01, 2022, 06:05:07 PM
Boris is exploiting the Ukraine crisis to the fullest as a rally behind the flag moment

Dominic Cummings failed again (https://c.tenor.com/1JOFrp7AXUAAAAAC/next-time.gif)

Absolutely nobody in the UK gives a shit about Ukraine, the useless BBC and even the Tory Papers aren't being fooled by that shit yesterday. Dom will have his day.

https://twitter.com/Dominic2306/status/1488611619378806786

:mynicca
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on February 02, 2022, 07:57:56 AM
War in Ukraine is a boomer meme. Send the over 50's to fight it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on February 02, 2022, 08:29:17 AM
https://twitter.com/Imranicus/status/1488850811618840581
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 02, 2022, 10:06:56 AM
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kremlin-mocks-britains-utterly-confused-johnson-before-putin-talks-2022-02-02/?taid=61fa97c670fd090001a7a681 (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kremlin-mocks-britains-utterly-confused-johnson-before-putin-talks-2022-02-02/?taid=61fa97c670fd090001a7a681)
Quote
Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said Russia had not announced any phone call with Johnson but added: "It makes sense to speak to anybody. Russia and President Putin are open to communicating with everyone. Even to someone who is utterly confused, he is prepared to provide exhaustive explanations."

Quote
"Mrs Truss, your knowledge of history is nothing compared to your knowledge of geography," Russian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova wrote in a blog post. "If anyone needs saving from anything, it's the world, from the stupidity and ignorance of British politicians."

 :whew

Just wait until the russkies start talking shit about the queen  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on February 02, 2022, 10:37:11 AM
I'd have thought the Russians would love someone called Boris :titus
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 02, 2022, 10:49:09 AM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1488843268985171970 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1488843268985171970)

:rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on February 03, 2022, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: who is ted danson? on February 02, 2022, 07:57:56 AM
War in Ukraine is a boomer meme. Send the over 50's to fight it.
send the bore  ???
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 03, 2022, 03:55:02 PM
Quote from: team filler on February 03, 2022, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: who is ted danson? on February 02, 2022, 07:57:56 AM
War in Ukraine is a boomer meme. Send the over 50's to fight it.
send the bore  ???
Give me command of NATO and I would take Moscow in a week or so.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: jorma on February 03, 2022, 04:44:46 PM
Quote from: Nintex on February 03, 2022, 03:55:02 PM
Quote from: team filler on February 03, 2022, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: who is ted danson? on February 02, 2022, 07:57:56 AM
War in Ukraine is a boomer meme. Send the over 50's to fight it.
send the bore  ???
Give me command of NATO and I would take Moscow in a week or so.

i can just picture an entire city of 12 million fleeing to discord  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Tycoon Padre on February 03, 2022, 05:48:06 PM
State Department says Russia is planning some crisis actor/false flag video and this AP dude is having absolutely none of it, fucking legend

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1489336004637044746

:whew

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 03, 2022, 06:08:37 PM
Man, that guy is a bad liar.
The fact that he freaked out over those questions says it all.
I don't know why we don't trust the people who claimed:
- Iraq has WMD's
- Assad's regime was about to fall
- Trump was a Russian agent
- The Russians paid bounties to ISIS for killing US soldiers
- Kabul would not fall to the Taliban anytime soon
- A bunch of aid workers were terrorists

We've reached the "Trust me bro" phase of intelligence and national security.
They don't even bother with showing us the fake intel they claim they have.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 03, 2022, 07:18:04 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCRosAtkins/status/1489334496197545987 (https://twitter.com/BBCRosAtkins/status/1489334496197545987)

:pika

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: FStop7 on February 04, 2022, 03:46:25 AM
So many defense industry / intelligence community sock accounts were hyping up the blood supply thing as proof of invasion

https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/1489332450606166024
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 04, 2022, 03:57:15 AM
Macron will head to Moscow on the 7th and Kyiv after.
Xi and Putin will meet soon to issue a joint proposal for a security framework or some shit.

Russia keeps sending more troops to Belarus which doesn't make much sense.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 04, 2022, 11:19:29 AM
https://twitter.com/SarahMya2000/status/1489588942596935683

https://twitter.com/jacksonrichman/status/1489621836782518272
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 04, 2022, 02:55:03 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 04, 2022, 11:19:29 AM
https://twitter.com/jacksonrichman/status/1489621836782518272
See, the reeducation camps work you white devil coloniser!!!

Watch our trained monkey Uyghur light the flame just like we asked while we threaten to murder his family.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on February 04, 2022, 03:34:33 PM
https://twitter.com/craighubble/status/1489556352628367361

 :gbcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 04, 2022, 07:07:38 PM
https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1489721888817524739 (https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1489721888817524739)

Basically what I expected, they plan to destroy the army of Ukraine prior to the invasion (probably in the east) and then in the chaos install a puppet government that will welcome the Russian military.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 04, 2022, 07:19:13 PM
With all this being out out there publicly, the Russians must be all like  :spiders :hesright :show :karen :steiner :ohyou :bolo :ufup  trying to make sure they're not the ones left holding the bag when Putin comes looking for who leaked the plan.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 04, 2022, 07:49:33 PM
https://twitter.com/nytopinion/status/1489566060328198148 (https://twitter.com/nytopinion/status/1489566060328198148)

Hogwarts for wankers :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 04, 2022, 09:38:36 PM
Jeff Mauer wrote a Johnson Uncertainty explainer for all us dumb Americans:
Quote from: https://imightbewrong.substack.com/p/boris-johnsons-fall-tells-us-something
Part of me thinks that the scandal should amount to a big, fat “who cares?” Johnson and his staff broke Covid rules, and that’s bad. But a lot of people broke the rules, so the punishment should fit the crime, and that punishment should be…I dunno, breaking a toddler’s swing set with your fat drunk ass is pretty embarrassing, so that might be enough punishment right there.

But “who cares?” is definitely the wrong reaction. The British public cares, and I’m constantly preaching political pragmatism, so I need to treat whatever the public cares about as part of the political landscape. And, though I’m American, people are people — yes, even British people are people — so it should be possible to draw lessons from this and learn something about political psychology.

It’s striking to me how gettable this scandal is. “They were partying while you were stuck inside” is a situation that everyone instantly understands; it brings out the 17-year-old-who-didn’t-get-invited-to-the-party in all of us. Processing the injustice requires no prior knowledge or commitment to any abstract principal. I spent much of the Trump era wondering if any of his scandals would stick; it was only in year two or three that I realized no, they wouldn’t, mostly because they were too abstract. It’s just very complicated, you see, to explain that the division between the White House and the Justice Department is important, so when Trump tells Don McGahn to fire the Special Counsel…Jesus, I’m already boring myself. The minute you think “I need a white board”, you’re finished. Prior to January 6, Trump’s worst misdeeds were complex, they were described only in print, they contained no splashy details like a SECRET WHITE HOUSE RECORDING SYSTEM (Watergate) or a splooged-upon blue dress (Bill Clinton), and in hindsight it seems silly that I ever thought there might be mass public outrage over any of them. Probably the only thing that would have turned people against Trump is footage of him being urinated on by a Russian prostitute, which I, personally only see as a scandal if he neglected to tip.
(https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fde61833a-740a-4953-97d3-4426a6a691a5_889x500.jpeg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 05, 2022, 12:26:37 PM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1489936845152526344 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1489936845152526344)

https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1489980230349598720 (https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1489980230349598720)

This is all going well
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 05, 2022, 03:05:43 PM
Lol China. Communists really are the worst.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NOS/status/1489578149507698689 (https://mobile.twitter.com/NOS/status/1489578149507698689)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 05, 2022, 03:06:23 PM
https://twitter.com/thatjenmonroe/status/1489941252250480643
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 05, 2022, 03:16:24 PM
 :putin "Everyone understands Joe, from the technical military as well as the economic and political point of view that Ukraine is part of the Russian sphere of influence and the new multi-polar world of shared power limits NATO's ability to dictate the security terms for the region. It matters not who is the American President as your agressive foreign policy is embedded into your geopolitical aims, state apparatus and popular culture. In Russia we have a saying, which translates to something like: You can't teach on old dog new tricks when the owner hangs himself"

:rogan "So we've all been wondering this for a while. But you've been President for so long and our Presidents when they get out of office, they look like shit, they've aged like 60 years. What is your secret Vladimir, did you ever do DMT?"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 07, 2022, 04:07:24 AM
The "security" people on twitter are very angry because Macron is presenting a peace plan to Russia today with the backing of Germany.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 07, 2022, 12:22:13 PM
https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1490715718131798024 (https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1490715718131798024)

 :idont
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 07, 2022, 02:14:26 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLAiZVVXoA0h1kB?format=jpg)

https://twitter.com/DimitriASimes/status/1490715293232021512 (https://twitter.com/DimitriASimes/status/1490715293232021512)

 :doge that table :lol

Talks about to exceed the average runtime of a Joe Rogan Experience episode

https://twitter.com/polinaivanovva/status/1490786571855048709 (https://twitter.com/polinaivanovva/status/1490786571855048709)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on February 07, 2022, 03:53:17 PM
They probably talked about Ukraine for 30mins, and spent the rest laughing at BoJo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 07, 2022, 06:20:11 PM
https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1490815888026701836 (https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1490815888026701836)

https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1490803772217507842 (https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1490803772217507842)

Macron says the talks were reassuring and eased his fears after the signals he got from Lukashenka earlier. Putin seems willing to consider some of the proposals.
Macron will meet with Zelensky next in Kyiv tommorow and then call Putin again.

The US still hasn't gotten the assurance from Germany that they will cancel NordStream 2 if Putin invades.
And that's sort of where there seems to be a lack of understanding that Germany wants NordStream 2 more (to go around Ukraine) than Russia does.

Putin's main concern seems to be that if Ukraine joins NATO they could re-take the Crimea as all post Maidan presidents and prime ministers have said they would and the US would support.

I think Macron is trying to somehow settle the issue of the Crimea as it would allow Europe to lift sanctions (for which there's already quite a bit of support in the EU).
For the Donbass the closest to a solution to the current situation seems to be to implement the Minsk agreements but Russia and Ukraine disagree on what that entails.
Overall it seems like Putin underestimated the resilience of Ukraine itself.
As for Belarus now that Macron has signaled that he fears Lukashenka is a loose cannon I don't think it will stay independent for long.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: fizzel on February 08, 2022, 04:10:20 AM
Putin is trolling the tits off macron with that table. Lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 08, 2022, 05:02:30 AM
Quote from: fizzel on February 08, 2022, 04:10:20 AM
Putin is trolling the tits off macron with that table. Lol
The explanation was that to meet with Putin you need to go in quarantine first but Macron didn't have time to do so.
So instead they created a set-up to maintain social distancing. Overall it seemed like an ok meeting, they had dinner together and spoke for about 2 - 3 hours.

I think the US overestimates the Russian goals and underestimate the impact COVID-19 had on the region and their economy.

Likewise I've seen pictures of Mariupol and other cities under Kyiv's control in the East and due to the enduring conflict there haven't been any changes since 2014 and parts of it are still wrecked.
The conflict is nearing a decade and this situation can't be maintained forever.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 08, 2022, 11:13:22 AM
https://twitter.com/puchicadanny/status/1490096444266659850
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 08, 2022, 06:08:11 PM
https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/status/1491165622528475138 (https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/status/1491165622528475138)

 :maduro
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on February 08, 2022, 06:34:53 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60305006

Quote
Jacob Rees-Mogg has been given a new role in government as the minister for Brexit opportunities, as Boris Johnson carries out a cabinet reshuffle.

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :rofl
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 09, 2022, 01:33:05 PM
https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1491408557451132928
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 09, 2022, 02:25:09 PM
I imagine that's what it always looks like at Frat boy Club No. 10 so I'm starting to see why he didn't realize it was a party.

Why is the woman blurred?  ;)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on February 09, 2022, 03:44:45 PM
she probably leaked the photo to the mirror ;)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 10, 2022, 01:29:29 PM
https://twitter.com/ukiswitheu/status/1491816768788180992 (https://twitter.com/ukiswitheu/status/1491816768788180992)

https://twitter.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1491765346491109382 (https://twitter.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1491765346491109382)

Good job everyone
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on February 10, 2022, 01:59:11 PM
I mean.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KnP9zh0mxA

What did you expect?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 10, 2022, 02:18:04 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1491741166051725313 (https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1491741166051725313)

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1491849664877969413 (https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1491849664877969413)

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 10, 2022, 06:49:31 PM
:drudge
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1491916411232559104 (https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1491916411232559104)

https://twitter.com/4emberlen/status/1491887215332499456 (https://twitter.com/4emberlen/status/1491887215332499456)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Tycoon Padre on February 11, 2022, 08:12:49 AM
:lol

https://twitter.com/jonlis1/status/1491911952247005186

https://twitter.com/jonlis1/status/1491925411869212691
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 11, 2022, 01:41:25 PM
https://twitter.com/hradzka/status/1491855856786296833
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 11, 2022, 01:42:35 PM
https://twitter.com/AliRogin/status/1492203624474325003 (https://twitter.com/AliRogin/status/1492203624474325003)

Can it really be happening?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 11, 2022, 02:48:02 PM
Quote from: Tycoon Padre on February 11, 2022, 08:12:49 AM
:lol
https://twitter.com/jonlis1/status/1491925411869212691

Lol, followed by Parody Boris Johnson

What does that account tweet? Competent policy and governance?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 11, 2022, 03:07:35 PM
Whenever I see the tories fuck about I'm always reminded of one of Adam Curtis' documentaries.

Where he explains that back when the British empire had colonies and none of the spoils actually made it home (i.e. the upkeep of the empire was too expensive and most people lived in poverty in the UK itself) there was a large group of people that had formed their own reality of a 'conservative' Brittain, where everyone was living a happy, wealthy and peaceful family life that didn't really exist. Basically to wash away what they felt were the sins of colonialism and escape from the dismal state of the empire, creating a world that only existed in their fantasies. He said that subjects from abroad (India and the likes) that had learned about this amazing empire from their teachers were nothing less but shocked when they went to Brittain to basically find a dump.

Margaret Thatcher revived the idea of past glory (that didn't really exist) and now the conservatives are again clinging to this idealistic view of a history that was mostly made up.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 11, 2022, 03:51:12 PM
UK calls for any British nationals to leave Ukraine immediately.

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1492205137342906369 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1492205137342906369)

Apparently Putin lectured Macron for 5 hours on history and all the ways NATO deceived Russia since 1997.
US says the invasion is to start as early as tuesday apparently with heavy aerial and artilly bombardments followed by a drive on Kyiv with the aim of regime change.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 11, 2022, 03:51:28 PM
Why doesn't the US lend the Ukraine a few defensive nukes
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 11, 2022, 03:56:44 PM
Quote from: james on February 11, 2022, 03:51:28 PM
Why doesn't the US lend the Ukraine a few defensive nukes
Those anti-tank missiles will be devastating for the Russian columns.
Ukraine won't just roll over, they didn't last time when they had no army.

If Putin goes ahead with this it will end in disaster. Especially if they move on Kyiv.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 11, 2022, 05:13:30 PM
Russian mothers hate body bags. This ain't going to end well for Putin.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 11, 2022, 05:45:55 PM
Russia also reporting all-time covid highs (again) so great timing all around
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 11, 2022, 05:48:35 PM
https://twitter.com/kirkish_john/status/1492242424445292545

 :snoop
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 11, 2022, 06:17:05 PM
I think people are getting caught up in the 'technicality' of Russia invading Ukraine.

They don't have to invade, they can just help the seperatists in the East with the airforce and remote artillery and missiles like NATO did in Libya and take out the Ukrainian airforce with their anti-air weapons stationed across the borders of Belarus and Russia.
All they need to do is cause just enough chaos that in the fog of war they can destabilize the country and ground or destroy the Ukranian airforce and block the navy and merchant shipping routes.
Then they can bring Russian peacekeepers into the East as a stabilizing force with food, medicine and other supplies at the request of the seperatist leaders.

Zelensky would have to flee to Poland and then it would be easy to stage a counter coup to oust the maidan parties in favor of the pro-Russian groups.
If Ukraine decides to fight instead, they have a ground army in place that is not large enough to occupy the country but capable enough to destroy the Ukranian army and the mercenary groups.

Russia could maintain their promise to Macron and the UK that they didn't invade and were invited by the new Ukranian leadership and there would be little anyone can do but to accept the new political reality.
The Russians would explain any incursion into East Ukraine as an effort to defend the Russian seperatists (now citizens) living there.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 11, 2022, 08:44:50 PM
Meanwhile, in Canadian CHOP/CHAZ:
https://twitter.com/pdmcleod/status/1492257724154798082
https://twitter.com/pdmcleod/status/1492311271194054658
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: fizzel on February 12, 2022, 12:48:08 AM
Good on them.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 12, 2022, 07:40:41 AM
https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1492346573031890947 (https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1492346573031890947)

https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1492364416997801990 (https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1492364416997801990)

It's like we're living through a persistent Mandela Effect where the world has turned upside down.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Rufus on February 12, 2022, 09:54:47 AM
Quote from: james on February 11, 2022, 03:51:28 PM
Why doesn't the US lend the Ukraine a few defensive nukes
They used to have a huge arsenal, but
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on February 13, 2022, 08:28:25 AM
https://nypost.com/2022/02/11/prince-andrew-was-obsessed-with-anal-sex-physical-therapist/amp/

 :lol :lol :lol  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 13, 2022, 09:45:03 AM
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/02/lavrov-russia-diplomacy-ukraine/622075/
 (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/02/lavrov-russia-diplomacy-ukraine/622075/)
Why the West’s Diplomacy With Russia Keeps Failing

Quote
Instead of offering empty language about rules and values, she could have started the press conference like this:

Good Evening, ladies and gentlemen of the press. I am delighted to join you after meeting my Russian counterpart, Sergey Lavrov. This time, we have not bothered to discuss treaties he won’t respect and promises he won’t keep. We have told him, instead, that an invasion of Ukraine will carry very, very high costs—higher than he has ever imagined. We are now planning to cut off Russian gas exports completely—Europe will find its energy supplies somewhere else. We are now preparing to assist the Ukrainian resistance, for a decade if need be. We are quadrupling our support for the Russian opposition, and for Russian media too. We want to make sure that Russians will start hearing the truth about this invasion, and as loudly as possible. And if you want to do regime change in Ukraine, we’ll get to work on regime change in Russia.
:dead

Quote
No one has taken seriously the idea that Germans should now make themselves independent of Russian gas

FACT CHECK
Quote
“If you look at it, Germany is a captive of Russia. They got rid of their coal plants, they got rid of their nuclear, they’re getting so much of their oil and gas from Russia. I think it is something NATO has to look at. It is very inappropriate.”
:trumps

Never thought Anne Applebaum would write a story that essentially says: "We need Trump back" probably without realizing it or mentioning him by name but here we are.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 13, 2022, 04:24:38 PM
Zelensky wants Biden to come and visit. Most oligarchs have already fled the country.
https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1492968672889122820 (https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1492968672889122820)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 13, 2022, 06:10:18 PM
Minister of Defense of Ukraine out here tweeting Battlefield 3 keyart:
https://twitter.com/oleksiireznikov/status/1492519198056235010
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 13, 2022, 07:40:11 PM
https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/1492904639427190788
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 14, 2022, 01:16:32 PM
Zelesnky has declared the invasion day a national holiday.
He has also summoned MP's and Oligarchs back to the country.
MP's will face 'serious consequences' if they don't return.

https://twitter.com/GreenhalghSarah/status/1493284810726551553 (https://twitter.com/GreenhalghSarah/status/1493284810726551553)

Putin met with Lavrov

https://twitter.com/dimsmirnov175/status/1493214921802330119 (https://twitter.com/dimsmirnov175/status/1493214921802330119)

Apparently only 24 members of parliament out of 400 showed up today
https://twitter.com/UkrWarReport/status/1493280167648710669 (https://twitter.com/UkrWarReport/status/1493280167648710669)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on February 14, 2022, 01:56:04 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 13, 2022, 07:40:11 PM
https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/1492904639427190788

https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1493251278746570760

 :lol :lol :lol

every fuckin time
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 14, 2022, 01:59:10 PM
Maybe they just like the brand :idont


Breaking US says Russians are moving into firing positions

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1493294188716335110 (https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1493294188716335110)

US evacuating their embassy all the way to the west

https://twitter.com/edokeefe/status/1493298704127823879 (https://twitter.com/edokeefe/status/1493298704127823879)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 14, 2022, 02:16:52 PM
US has decided to scuttle their equipment in Kyiv.
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1493297907977629699 (https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1493297907977629699)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 14, 2022, 02:40:29 PM
https://twitter.com/vplus/status/1493306416525942785 (https://twitter.com/vplus/status/1493306416525942785)

:dead

https://twitter.com/TheRealKeean/status/1493292414441857034 (https://twitter.com/TheRealKeean/status/1493292414441857034)

Ukraine won't invoke martial law with half the Russian army at their doorstep.
Trudeau might invoke martial law to deal with a bunch of honking truckers.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 14, 2022, 03:39:41 PM
I feel like there wasnt be enough discussion about how the president of the Ukraine is an actor who was elected after playing the president on TV.

It should lead every article.

IE:

"A senior Ukrainian official has denied that President Zelensky, a former actor best known for playing the president of the Ukraine on TV, was being literal when he said in an address to the nation that he'd been told a Russian attack would begin on February 16th. Mykhailo Podoliak, a Presidential adviser, that Zelensky was being ironic."
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on February 14, 2022, 06:54:18 PM
I'm not a president, but I play one on TV :smug
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 14, 2022, 07:54:10 PM
Eastern European politics is like a bunch of scifi authors got together to create the ultimate "what if" speculative fiction reality ever...except its real.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 14, 2022, 11:17:09 PM
Interesting take from the Australian Financial Review on the Ukraine situation.

https://www.afr.com/world/europe/how-biden-is-using-putin-s-playbook-against-him-20220214-p59wg4 (https://www.afr.com/world/europe/how-biden-is-using-putin-s-playbook-against-him-20220214-p59wg4)


Quote
The US and Britain have warned a Russian invasion of Ukraine could come in days, and well it might.

President Vladimir Putin’s troop build-up around the country has reached what most analysts agree is its very pointy end.

On the other hand, the Kremlin repeatedly says it has no intention to invade – a move that would, after all, be costly and potentially catastrophic for Russia.

So, why exactly are US President Joe Biden and British Prime Minister Boris Johnson sounding so alarmed? Why are they evacuating diplomats and military staff, and making increasingly dire prophecies of conflict?

Maybe their intelligence is saying something different to the Kremlin’s most recent soothing words, which would be no surprise.

But maybe Washington and London are actually engaged in a bit of Putin-style gamesmanship.

This idea starts from the premise that unless Putin is feeling particularly reckless about the reputational consequences for Russia that could follow an invasion, he needs a pretext.

If Biden can establish the idea that Russia is pre-planning an invasion – including the possibility of staging a “false flag” incident to justify it – this would make things more difficult for Putin.

It would undermine the plausibility of any Kremlin claim that Russia had been forced to respond to provocation or was taking defensive action.

Putin is the past master of disinformation and legerdemain, which he has used in previous military offensives on his western fringe. But the US-led strategy is turning his weapons back against him.

In the face of Biden’s intelligence barrage, it would be difficult for Putin to follow his usual invasion-annexation playbook – that he is helping oppressed Russian minorities, or responding to threats, or keeping the peace.

His ambassador to the EU was flying that kite on Monday, so it’s still out there. But it would surely be much harder for Russia to bring fellow travellers – other countries, and anti-American constituencies worldwide – along with this story. Even the task of selling it to the Russian public could be more tricky.

Other Western countries, such as France and Germany, seem to be trying a different, more traditional tack to Biden and Johnson.

‘A whiff of Munich’
By playing the role of peace-seeking diplomats against Putin’s militarism, they hope to seem like the good guys, painting the Russian into a corner where he has no moral authority to invade.

But this is a game Russia understands how to play. It is less likely to stop an invasion, leaving more space for Moscow to find the right “we had no choice” narrative. And to Putin, the Franco-German approach seems more like weakness.

Little wonder that British Defence Secretary Ben Wallace said acidly on Sunday he could detect “a whiff of Munich in the air from some in the West”.

The other dissenter from the American strategy is Ukraine itself. President Volodymyr Zelensky has criticised the US for spreading anxiety and panic with its predictions of imminent invasion.

His immediate concern is that the US strategy of maximal alarm is turning Ukraine into an economic pariah, which could sap his ability to maintain the authority and credibility of his regime and its liberal, Western orientation.

He might also be concerned that the Biden-Johnson strategy could blow up in their faces. The febrile atmosphere the White House has created could open up an opportunity for Putin to engineer a misstep that gives him the pretext he needs.

Western hysteria
It’s always possible that Putin himself will be wrong-footed, or misstep. An invasion certainly looks like a big stumble into high costs and unclear benefits. Putin would face a fiercer and united NATO on his doorstep, and a new round of sanctions and diplomatic isolation, and a truculent Ukraine to keep under control.

Interestingly, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov at the weekend made the first rhetorical intimations of what a Putin climbdown might look like. He said the West had mistaken routine military manoeuvres for something more sinister, and had over-reacted.

“After Russian troops finish drills and return to barracks, the West will declare ‘diplomatic victory’ by having ‘secured’ Russian de-escalation,” he said. Nothing to see here, is the suggestion, just Western hysteria and Russophobia.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 15, 2022, 07:21:05 AM
Some European diplomats and journalists believe that with Zelensky's approval rating tanking, the withdrawal from Afghanistan and COVID taking up all the headlines the government in Ukraine wanted more attention and aid from the US, EU and NATO in general.
Mostly because they're not yet in the EU or NATO they won't receive any COVID aid from the various EU programmes.
So in the second half of 2021 they pointed the US and NATO to the Russian build-up of forces among the border. Estimating and warning their allies that there was an 80% chance that Russia would invade.
The US doubted this but went to work anyway to counter this threat in various ways such as providing Ukraine with indeed more aid and military training and threatening Russia with consequences as well as putting NordStream 2 under pressure again.

Russia noticed this and in response increased their hostility towards the US and Ukraine in particular. Fearing Ukraine with US help would make a move on the Crimea (something he has been paranoid about ever since he took it).
Putin is also under quite a bit of pressure domestically and dealing with crises in Belarus and Kazachstan. In such situations he often resorts to a 'show of force'.

In conclusion Ukraine got the attention that it wanted from various countries (US, UK, France) but more than they bargained for because most leaders are under pressure and looking to increase their approval ratings.
All this has done is pour gasoline on the fire that is the collapse of the economy of Ukraine. And that is why Zelensky has been acting all 'why doesn't anyone think about the economy?' as of late and downplaying the threat of invasion.

Meanwhile by playing ball Putin got what he wanted without firing a single shot so far.
Completing the 'exercises' as a show of force, a parade of 'failed' diplomatic missions from the west, keeping Belarus in line, possibly a 'diplomatic' solution on the Crimea (because the EU doesn't want a conflict) and the US pulling out their military advisors and diplomats from areas that matter.
https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1493364058480955395 (https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1493364058480955395)

The Duma has now voted and asks Putin to recognize the Donbass as independent from Ukraine (and Russia).
https://www.dw.com/en/russian-duma-asks-putin-to-recognize-ukrainian-regions-as-independent/a-60783596 (https://www.dw.com/en/russian-duma-asks-putin-to-recognize-ukrainian-regions-as-independent/a-60783596)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 15, 2022, 09:47:19 AM
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1493594086946836484 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1493594086946836484)

https://twitter.com/TRTWorldNow/status/1493596347676741633 (https://twitter.com/TRTWorldNow/status/1493596347676741633)

Do you hear a protest from the German chancellor as Putin says they talked about rolling back NATO to the 1997 borders?

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on February 15, 2022, 01:44:02 PM
You're flip-flopping as quickly as Boris, impressive :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 15, 2022, 03:01:05 PM
https://twitter.com/SethAMandel/status/1493600934508863499
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 15, 2022, 05:11:39 PM
Reuters seems to think this thing is still on.

https://twitter.com/UkrWarReport/status/1493681084084760578 (https://twitter.com/UkrWarReport/status/1493681084084760578)

Power cut during Biden remarks

https://twitter.com/JacquiHeinrich/status/1493688179270070281 (https://twitter.com/JacquiHeinrich/status/1493688179270070281)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 15, 2022, 05:39:39 PM
The Sun writes surprisingly specific that this thing will go off at 1AM UK time so in about 2 hours from now.
Some DDOS and Cyber attacks seem to have started.

Scholz asked Zelensky to recognize Moscow's interpretation of the Minsk agreements by granting the Donbass autonomy but Zelensky refused.

A US Black Hawk just landed at the border with Poland
https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1493712454802624523 (https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1493712454802624523)

US says they can now see the Russians heading towards the border
https://twitter.com/CBSWalsh/status/1493688067361849349 (https://twitter.com/CBSWalsh/status/1493688067361849349)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 15, 2022, 05:41:37 PM
Nintex do you think the EU will draft you into the war against Russian Aggression?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 15, 2022, 05:47:22 PM
Quote from: james on February 15, 2022, 05:41:37 PM
Nintex do you think the EU will draft you into the war against Russian Aggression?
Like I said before, if I was commanding the NATO forces we would be holding a victory parade in Moscow next week.

CBS thinks Russia's move is bigger than just Ukraine
https://twitter.com/NorahODonnell/status/1493690041465548800 (https://twitter.com/NorahODonnell/status/1493690041465548800)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on February 15, 2022, 05:49:23 PM
I wish I was some "geopolitical expert" that gets paraded around on TV to spout his World War 3 fanfictions.

Benji, you work in polsci, can you help me out there?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 15, 2022, 05:54:52 PM
Nintex you have my number text me if you see nukes overhead heading to the US
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on February 15, 2022, 05:56:47 PM
Quote from: james on February 15, 2022, 05:54:52 PM
Nintex you have my number text me if you see nukes overhead heading to the US

Look at a globe you dummy, you need a Canadian to do that for you.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 15, 2022, 05:58:42 PM
Ok, 4chan controls the play list on the Reuters stream.

So far we've had the Russian Anthem and the Rick Roll song.
I can't quite make out what is playing now, but it sounds like the Evangelion theme?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_JRSioZZyQ

Yes they're playing KOMM, SÜSSER TOD
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on February 15, 2022, 06:00:31 PM
Putin is a mean man. He's always been one to put others before himself, and he's done it again. He's decided to invade the Netherlands, and he's doing it with the help of his friend, the Dutch Prime Minister. The Dutch are defending their country, but Putin is determined to take it. He's made his decision, and now it's time to take action

Pay me CNN
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 15, 2022, 06:27:32 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on February 15, 2022, 05:49:23 PM
I wish I was some "geopolitical expert" that gets paraded around on TV to spout his World War 3 fanfictions.

Benji, you work in polsci, can you help me out there?
Have you tried writing your fan fiction in the form of a stupid book that plays to Thomas Friedman's personal interests and insecurities?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 15, 2022, 06:30:31 PM
Speaking of, I had no idea Fareed Zakaria was such an unaccomplished fuckup until I read his Wikipedia page the other week. I had always assumed he had like written a book or something at least to earn his international platform.

Best part is the page was illustrated with pictures of him holding court with Barack Obama, John Kerry and Henry Kissinger at various important sounding conferences.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on February 15, 2022, 06:50:15 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 15, 2022, 06:27:32 PM

Have you tried writing your fan fiction in the form of a stupid book that plays to Thomas Friedman's personal interests and insecurities?

That sounds like a lot of work, wouldn't a semi-successful twitter account with a blue checkmark suffice?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on February 15, 2022, 06:56:28 PM
Quote
According to a story in The New York Times on Woodward's book, the Wolfowitz meeting ultimately produced a report for President George W. Bush that supported the subsequent invasion of Iraq. Zakaria, however, later told The New York Times that he had briefly attended what he thought was "a brainstorming session

Whoops  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 15, 2022, 07:48:05 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on February 15, 2022, 05:56:47 PM
Quote from: james on February 15, 2022, 05:54:52 PM
Nintex you have my number text me if you see nukes overhead heading to the US

Look at a globe you dummy, you need a Canadian to do that for you.

Do they not teach geography in Europe?

(https://i.imgur.com/EYT3rjT.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: shosta on February 15, 2022, 07:59:05 PM
:lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 15, 2022, 08:13:39 PM
The Russians built a new bridge to quickly enter and cross the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone
https://twitter.com/ameliairheart/status/1493744616448970755 (https://twitter.com/ameliairheart/status/1493744616448970755)

:idont

Also what's with Chernobyl being close to Kiev, another Mandela effect?
I remember that it was in the east. In fact, I distinctly remember people being worried about the Sarcophagus being damaged when the Donbass fighting began.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on February 15, 2022, 08:17:52 PM
This was all a ploy by the American Miltary Industrial Complex to sell more of their crap to Ukraine in the future.

:rollsafe
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 15, 2022, 08:56:42 PM
Quote from: james on February 15, 2022, 07:48:05 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on February 15, 2022, 05:56:47 PM
Quote from: james on February 15, 2022, 05:54:52 PM
Nintex you have my number text me if you see nukes overhead heading to the US

Look at a globe you dummy, you need a Canadian to do that for you.

Do they not teach geography in Europe?

(https://i.imgur.com/EYT3rjT.png)
Earth ain't flat, Kyrie. Get vaccinated.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: tiesto on February 15, 2022, 10:36:23 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 15, 2022, 06:30:31 PM
Speaking of, I had no idea Fareed Zakaria was such an unaccomplished fuckup until I read his Wikipedia page the other week. I had always assumed he had like written a book or something at least to earn his international platform.

Best part is the page was illustrated with pictures of him holding court with Barack Obama, John Kerry and Henry Kissinger at various important sounding conferences.

He wrote a few... "The Post American World" is one I actually read (I don't read very often tbh, really need to fix that).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: chronovore on February 16, 2022, 01:06:26 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 15, 2022, 08:56:42 PM
Quote from: james on February 15, 2022, 07:48:05 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on February 15, 2022, 05:56:47 PM
Quote from: james on February 15, 2022, 05:54:52 PM
Nintex you have my number text me if you see nukes overhead heading to the US

Look at a globe you dummy, you need a Canadian to do that for you.

Do they not teach geography in Europe?

(https://i.imgur.com/EYT3rjT.png)
Earth ain't flat, Kyrie. Get vaccinated.

:rofl

Yeah, one side effect of global warming is that ships are going to be sailing over that polar region, as it's a shorter route.

...
:fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on February 16, 2022, 02:48:16 AM
It's a nothingburger  :-\
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 16, 2022, 04:09:42 AM
The armchair generals are taking it well

https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1493827239531667461 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1493827239531667461)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 16, 2022, 09:21:17 AM
What if they invite Russia to join NATO?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 16, 2022, 10:19:08 AM
Quote from: james on February 16, 2022, 09:21:17 AM
What if they invite Russia to join NATO?
This is basically what Putin and Merkel wanted, a free trade zone from Vladivostok to Lisbon and some sort of alliance between NATO and Russia to fight common enemies.

But there's 3 main problems.
- Putin wants it to happen on 'equal' terms for 'his side', which means all of the eastern block at once on Russia's terms or no one at all (the EU prefers to do it step by step)
- The US doesn't like the idea as it would undermine their favorite weapon of choice: sanctions. And the EU wouldn't demand regime change (remember that Yanukovich started the process for Ukraine).
- For Europe NATO is supposed to be the military alliance and the EU is the political body. But NATO has become more political in its decision making and the EU wants to have an army of its own

The US wants NATO to be more of a political tool rather than just a deterrent and they want a bigger commitment from its members to act in unity as long as the US is carrying most of the costs.
A crisis like this used to be a boon for NATO but now only increases support for an EU army instead. One that doesn't necessarily answer to NATO and by extension the US.

And finally the biggest irony is of course that even though the Americans complain that Europe doesn't want to pay for its own security, countries like France and Germany don't necessarily think the type of 'security' the Americans offer against Russia is necessary.
As they've long stopped believing that Russia would attempt a land invasion past Kiev and all NATO needs to do is secure the border with Poland and the Baltics. They think it's more important that NATO can respond to an international crisis with a mobile and aircraft carrier force than defend national borders they prefer to remove entirely.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on February 16, 2022, 10:23:36 AM
I cant help put think that :putin has played the west like a damn fiddle :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on February 16, 2022, 12:33:01 PM
Quote from: Pissy F Benny on February 16, 2022, 10:23:36 AM
I cant help put think that :putin has played the west like a damn fiddle :doge
I'm now contractually obliged to post:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JuK1Yr35Io
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 16, 2022, 12:33:18 PM
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1493993342333558792 (https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1493993342333558792)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 16, 2022, 05:16:05 PM
Attention Russia watchers, February 20th is the new date to watch for reasons.

https://twitter.com/alexbward/status/1494058265642254344 (https://twitter.com/alexbward/status/1494058265642254344)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 16, 2022, 05:46:26 PM
Nintendo blackboard meme but with russian invasion dates
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 16, 2022, 05:48:08 PM
https://twitter.com/wounddwrrior420/status/1493580304316915713
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on February 16, 2022, 05:58:51 PM
As someone who earnestly and sincerly argues for an Anschluss annexation of Canada. What would you do about the French-Canadian problem, benji?

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 16, 2022, 06:27:17 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on February 16, 2022, 05:58:51 PM
As someone who earnestly and sincerly argues for an Anschluss annexation of Canada. What would you do about the French-Canadian problem, benji?
I'm an optimist, I believe that eventually, even if it takes millennia, they can be domesticated.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 16, 2022, 06:46:40 PM
Quote from: Nintex on February 15, 2022, 08:13:39 PM
The Russians built a new bridge to quickly enter and cross the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone
https://twitter.com/ameliairheart/status/1493744616448970755 (https://twitter.com/ameliairheart/status/1493744616448970755)

:idont

Also what's with Chernobyl being close to Kiev, another Mandela effect?
I remember that it was in the east. In fact, I distinctly remember people being worried about the Sarcophagus being damaged when the Donbass fighting began.
Bridgegate continues
https://twitter.com/FridaGhitis/status/1494085721455534083 (https://twitter.com/FridaGhitis/status/1494085721455534083)

Or does it?
https://twitter.com/tom_bullock_/status/1494066337961975808 (https://twitter.com/tom_bullock_/status/1494066337961975808)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 16, 2022, 06:50:41 PM
It takes us 5+ years to build a bridge and these Russians can build one and take it down for PRACTICE in a few days?

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on February 16, 2022, 07:25:45 PM
Just hire the Russians and our infrastructure crisis would be over within a month.

Thanks Merkel
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 16, 2022, 08:03:36 PM
You guys are all excited about these Russian bridges but you aren't even stopping to ask if they even tried driving anything over them.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on February 16, 2022, 08:07:02 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 16, 2022, 08:03:36 PM
You guys are all excited about these Russian bridges but you aren't even stopping to ask if they even tried driving anything over them.

I only served for a year, but in my experience someone definitely drove a tank over it just because someone dared them to for booze or cigarettes,
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on February 16, 2022, 08:11:36 PM
Mr. big government spending Benjamin Pwns in the pockets of Big Bridge wants to hand out billions for lazy contractors to build bridges that take years to build, when the Russians showed us that they could build the equivalent of the Golden Gate Bridge withhin a week. smh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 16, 2022, 08:16:30 PM
Bridges promote cultural appropriation, people should stay on their own side of the water.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 16, 2022, 11:30:49 PM
https://twitter.com/AndyBlatchford/status/1494007209151324166
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: chronovore on February 17, 2022, 12:25:26 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 16, 2022, 11:30:49 PM
https://twitter.com/AndyBlatchford/status/1494007209151324166

RHCP concerts have really been going downhill.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 17, 2022, 12:38:03 PM
Biden seems to think the invasion is still on.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1494346986702712841 (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1494346986702712841)

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1494366451347730439 (https://twitter.com/AP/status/1494366451347730439)

https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1494367917588287488 (https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1494367917588287488)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 17, 2022, 04:10:07 PM
https://twitter.com/RebelNewsOnline/status/1494115333136867329
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on February 17, 2022, 04:14:29 PM
Canada is a failed state country
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 17, 2022, 04:19:54 PM
The second Russia attacks Ukraine, the US should invade Canada while no one is paying attention

Lets grab the oil!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 17, 2022, 04:23:47 PM
You mean right now?
https://twitter.com/Karmabash/status/1494412961217134596 (https://twitter.com/Karmabash/status/1494412961217134596)

https://twitter.com/Karmabash/status/1494418395332333569 (https://twitter.com/Karmabash/status/1494418395332333569)

Clashes between the seperatists and the army of Ukraine have started in several places along the contact line.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on February 17, 2022, 05:56:53 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 17, 2022, 04:10:07 PM
https://twitter.com/RebelNewsOnline/status/1494115333136867329

aaaaand apparently this has caused a run on all Canadian banks as everyone suddenly realizes Trudeau's emergency powers allow him to freeze anyone's bank account for any reason
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 17, 2022, 06:16:09 PM
https://twitter.com/TrueNorthCentre/status/1494358600080404481 (https://twitter.com/TrueNorthCentre/status/1494358600080404481)

That's why I never donate to such things and it reminds me I still need to stop my Unicef donation.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 17, 2022, 06:24:50 PM
Just don't donate to terrorists/gamergaters/racists/accomplices/etc. Not hard.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on February 17, 2022, 06:30:50 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 17, 2022, 06:24:50 PM
Just don't donate to terrorists/gamergaters/racists/accomplices/etc. Not hard.

I think it's only fair for the state to decide that, they have far more information on what is a bad cause. More than your average citizen. I think they should donate the seized money to the ruling party.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 17, 2022, 06:34:41 PM
It only seems appropriate that those who work so hard to protect us should get a cut of the illegal funds they seize from criminals. Just common sense really, I don't know why people would be worried. It gives them an incentive to bust more criminals making us unsafe.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 17, 2022, 06:35:54 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 17, 2022, 06:24:50 PM
Just don't donate to terrorists/gamergaters/racists/accomplices/etc. Not hard.
I've bought games on Steam, Cyberpunk 2077 and probably some games published by THQ Nordic too late for that :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 17, 2022, 06:40:13 PM
The only place worth donating to is OnlyFans
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on February 17, 2022, 06:41:31 PM
Quote from: james on February 17, 2022, 06:40:13 PM
The only place worth donating to is OnlyFans

Donate to the James Fund, huh? :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 17, 2022, 06:44:58 PM
https://twitter.com/djambazki/status/1494033260099289088 (https://twitter.com/djambazki/status/1494033260099289088)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 17, 2022, 07:29:23 PM
https://twitter.com/Ahmadinejad1956/status/1494368391746015236
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on February 18, 2022, 01:42:15 AM
Truckers want to take over government but still only want to be paid/spend in central bank fiat  :doge :doge :doge

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 18, 2022, 09:52:57 AM
The seperatists are evacuating to Russia   :doge

https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1494666301448597508 (https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1494666301448597508)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 18, 2022, 01:18:22 PM
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1494703570033201156 (https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1494703570033201156)

https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1494679867610312713 (https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1494679867610312713)

https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1494706708937064449 (https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1494706708937064449)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 18, 2022, 01:39:16 PM
Putin created the biggest traffic jam in Ukraine since Fall Blau

https://twitter.com/sputnik_fr/status/1494738608431022082 (https://twitter.com/sputnik_fr/status/1494738608431022082)

Tommorow they're doing Nuclear drills.

The evacuation announcements were recorded 2 days ago:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL5jyY5XwAgAyg_?format=jpg)

What's False Flag in Russian?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: jorma on February 18, 2022, 03:47:51 PM
Ok now they're just taking the piss  :lol

https://twitter.com/CanadaFP/status/1494323983101018119
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 18, 2022, 04:43:59 PM
welp

https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1494784247248433160 (https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1494784247248433160)



https://twitter.com/UkrWarReport/status/1494791327724281873 (https://twitter.com/UkrWarReport/status/1494791327724281873)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 19, 2022, 03:38:13 AM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1494933411064344576 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1494933411064344576)

- First UA government soldier KIA
- Russian media claims a shell from the UA army has exploded in Rostov (Russia)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 19, 2022, 02:38:42 PM
https://twitter.com/_HadleyGamble/status/1495100456879771655 (https://twitter.com/_HadleyGamble/status/1495100456879771655)

Either this guy had to take a shit or Putin is controlling him with an anal probe :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 19, 2022, 06:31:05 PM
Heavy shelling across the Donbass, Russian columns driving through towns only 3 - 6 miles from the border.

https://twitter.com/YWNReporter/status/1495172211002466311 (https://twitter.com/YWNReporter/status/1495172211002466311)

https://twitter.com/Qr3141/status/1495177510060888064 (https://twitter.com/Qr3141/status/1495177510060888064)

Let's pray for a miracle :fbm

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 20, 2022, 07:09:06 AM
Despite promises to France that they would leave, Russian troops will remain in Belarus indefinitely

https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1495342378999332866 (https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1495342378999332866)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 20, 2022, 03:21:06 PM
https://twitter.com/OttawaPolice/status/1495367658132361216
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 20, 2022, 03:24:16 PM
https://twitter.com/ASLuhn/status/1495377869056483333
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 20, 2022, 03:40:20 PM
It's surreal to see the Russians staging all these Call of Duty LARPS for domestic consumption when we know it's all fake.  :doge

https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1495301257212354562 (https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1495301257212354562)

They usually attempt at least some sort of 'plausible' narrative to muddy the waters but this time they don't give a fuck that none of their claims make any sense.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 20, 2022, 04:43:59 PM
https://twitter.com/reckless/status/1495430376042422273

 :usacry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 20, 2022, 06:43:27 PM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1495537893435191301 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1495537893435191301)

Macron busy with diplomacy today. Calls to Biden, Zelensky and a 90 minute and 60 minute call to Putin.

Maybe he has taken over phone duty from Merkel?
Merkel called Putin almost weekly hoping that he wouldn't hear only his own opinion or the advice of his associates but also a different perspective.

It's hard to imagine that the Russians would cancel the whole thing after staging all these attacks and incidents and according to the US the order has already gone out (which is why all these events have happened).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 21, 2022, 12:44:37 PM
This is absolutely insane

https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/1495764374409166849 (https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/1495764374409166849)

https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1495794783771574275 (https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1495794783771574275)

The interior minister told Putin to declare all of Donetsk independent (which is the dark grey area).
The red line is the current front line.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMIf9ieXMAEzgFd?format=jpg)

Putin has informed Macron and Scholz of his decision. Will adress the nation soon.

https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1495820836858740741 (https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1495820836858740741)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 21, 2022, 01:59:51 PM
 :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge

Get in your bunkers everyone
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 21, 2022, 02:01:41 PM
https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/status/1495832401305612297


Russia about to start a war on 8 fronts

Alaska, get ready to be invaded
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 21, 2022, 02:15:19 PM
He's been reciting the history for 60 minutes.
But the main issue seems to be that Ukraine could procure nukes again and use them on Russia.

Our leaders think in terms of months and years. Putin thinks in centuries.
And they all thought his grievances were for domestic consumption and he wasn't really serious.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 21, 2022, 02:27:18 PM
Putin says Ukraine is a platform for NATO to attack Russia and that cannot stand man.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on February 21, 2022, 02:35:17 PM
Its time to return to return Alaska to Russia, Texas to Mexico, and NYC to the Trump family.

Glass the rest of north america.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 21, 2022, 02:37:19 PM
putin recognizes the republics and tells Kiev to cease hostilities immediately or the blood bath will be their own doing

Now Kiev has three options:
- Leave their fortified frontline positions in the Donbass and give up two provinces to Russia hoping that ends it.
- Wait and see if Russia will indeed claim the entire provinces (and not just those held by the rebels).
- Move against the Russians and rebels to win their territory back

Syria is apparently on board with the Neo-Axis
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1495848017039085569 (https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1495848017039085569)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 21, 2022, 03:04:44 PM
"Hey remember when the entire province was evacuated?"

"Sorry I can't hear you over the sound of fireworks and genocide"

https://twitter.com/myrevolutionrus/status/1495849973346361345 (https://twitter.com/myrevolutionrus/status/1495849973346361345)

https://twitter.com/myrevolutionrus/status/1495847984675885058 (https://twitter.com/myrevolutionrus/status/1495847984675885058)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 21, 2022, 03:25:00 PM
So, basically, instead of quietly resurrecting the Russian Empire with a nod and a wink, Putin is openly declaring himself Emperor?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 21, 2022, 03:38:48 PM
Biden's response is to sanction the DNR and the LNR as if any US businesses were dealing them  :iface

Quote
White House: Biden will issue an executive order banning investment or trade in the separatist regions of Ukraine.

Hunter's laptop must be quite something
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 21, 2022, 04:31:25 PM
https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1495871648884572166 (https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1495871648884572166)

oh boy
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 21, 2022, 04:35:04 PM
Haha, peacekeeping!

What is it with Russians and being desperate to live under absolute monarchs?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on February 21, 2022, 05:19:49 PM
https://twitter.com/DonaldCourter/status/1495846148942270476

https://twitter.com/gbazov/status/1495846043862319107

 :ussrcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on February 21, 2022, 05:22:26 PM
The putin you are seeing is a cgi double.

Putin:
https://twitter.com/MauriceSchleepe/status/1495876471784628235


Also Putin????:

https://twitter.com/incontextmedia/status/1495864939415748612

Who would do this? Joe Biden, the CIA, the DEA, the Rockefellers, Bohemian Grove, CNN
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HaughtyFrank on February 21, 2022, 05:30:58 PM
https://twitter.com/hasanthehun/status/1495878616273596418

 :pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 21, 2022, 05:37:27 PM
China should seize this opportunity to invade the other side of Russia
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 21, 2022, 05:56:41 PM
Quote from: Nintex on February 21, 2022, 02:15:19 PM
Our leaders think in terms of months and years. Putin thinks in centuries.
:popular
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 21, 2022, 06:06:02 PM
Quote from: james on February 21, 2022, 05:37:27 PM
China should seize this opportunity to invade the other side of Russia
That's why they should put me in charge of NATO.
But there's an even easier route to victory.

https://twitter.com/AliRogin/status/1495892855705022464 (https://twitter.com/AliRogin/status/1495892855705022464)

How the fuck can you fumble this so badly.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 21, 2022, 06:12:41 PM
The red line are gas chambers, everything to that point is ok for Joe
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 21, 2022, 06:21:33 PM
Biden's not the only one taking a big L.

Putin promised to Macron that the troops would leave Belarus, they didn't
Putin promised Macron he wouldn't invade Ukraine or escalate the situation

He promised a lot of other things too. The sun king said diplomacy was headed in the right direction and an invasion had been called off but he looks utterly ridiculous now.


US on the run
https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1495896613386133512 (https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1495896613386133512)

Macron mad, he will roll out the sanctions. (but if the US doesn't, the Germans might get cold feet too)
https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/1495891315116195854 (https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/1495891315116195854)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 21, 2022, 06:35:18 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMECRGqWQAsBWKW?format=jpg&name=small)

 :hmm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 21, 2022, 06:41:31 PM
Nothing from Zelensky yet, probably expected a bigger response from the US so he's in a pickle.
Also all this has been launched by Putin assuming Kyiv indeed got rid of all their nuclear weapons.

Anyhow we can safely say that the US strategy (make the Russian plans public, so they wouldn't happen) hasn't exactly how to put it, worked.
And the EU go to strategy (i.e. kick the can down the road by blocking Ukraine from joining NATO) hasn't worked either.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 21, 2022, 06:50:47 PM
US advices Zelensky to go to the place they are evacuating.
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1495907758004183044 (https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1495907758004183044)

Also smart to tell the Russians where he should go you fucking idiots.


Zelensky says he doesn't want history lessons but peace  :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: chronovore on February 21, 2022, 07:07:12 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 21, 2022, 06:35:18 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMECRGqWQAsBWKW?format=jpg&name=small)

 :hmm

Not just that, but why-the-hell have only one backup generator, and have it within the effect area of a tidal wave. Sure, the waves were big, but not unprecedented. If Fukushima had another backup on a nearby hill, the whole story would have gone differently.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 21, 2022, 07:08:34 PM
Quote from: chronovore on February 21, 2022, 07:07:12 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 21, 2022, 06:35:18 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMECRGqWQAsBWKW?format=jpg&name=small)

 :hmm

Not just that, but why-the-hell have only one backup generator, and have it within the effect area of a tidal wave. Sure, the waves were big, but not unprecedented. If Fukushima had another backup on a nearby hill, the whole story would have gone differently.
By Japanese tradition once one backup generator went out the other had to commit Sepukku
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 21, 2022, 11:44:16 PM
Look at this warlock:
https://twitter.com/PhilipinDC/status/1495730338315841539
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 21, 2022, 11:50:51 PM
https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1495961814420664327
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on February 21, 2022, 11:51:53 PM
lol Luxembourgish, isn't that what they speak in LOTR? What a nerd
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on February 21, 2022, 11:55:59 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 21, 2022, 11:50:51 PM
https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1495961814420664327

I always thought the untitled goose game playerbase was sus.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: OnlyRegret on February 22, 2022, 12:46:23 AM
Quote from: Nintex on February 21, 2022, 07:08:34 PM
Quote from: chronovore on February 21, 2022, 07:07:12 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 21, 2022, 06:35:18 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMECRGqWQAsBWKW?format=jpg&name=small)

 :hmm

Not just that, but why-the-hell have only one backup generator, and have it within the effect area of a tidal wave. Sure, the waves were big, but not unprecedented. If Fukushima had another backup on a nearby hill, the whole story would have gone differently.
By Japanese tradition once one backup generator went out the other had to commit Sepukku

(https://external-preview.redd.it/lt4WbbLkLsm-rWXSyJaXrt_qQ_T7eD5vqXV3qFDmzgs.png?auto=webp&s=627b798b31c940854d34ac71fe1c31f66b7c5330)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on February 22, 2022, 02:49:56 AM
Fingers crossed for a new draft. Send the youngsters to fight in Ukraine!

After their glorious victory, they will be able to return home to student debt, rent at 60% of their take home, 10% """transitory"""" inflation, wages still below 2008 in real terms, politicians in the pockets of the billionaires and over 60s, having to fix climate change, having to pay and care for an aging population, stock market & $GME still rigged, ban on crypto (probably), avocados, tinder, and tiktok.


Who wouldn't fight for that? No need to ask, just draft.

Edit: boomers/landlords/1% WILL NOT be drafted or have to pay for the way under any circumstance!! Drafting the rich or having a war tax is communism!!!!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on February 22, 2022, 03:08:32 AM
https://twitter.com/mi6rogue/status/1496032990316699649
 :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: chronovore on February 22, 2022, 03:09:39 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 21, 2022, 11:44:16 PM
Look at this warlock:
https://twitter.com/PhilipinDC/status/1495730338315841539

https://youtu.be/GfHOoFVUk9Y
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 22, 2022, 12:50:25 PM
https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1496162056273371140 (https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1496162056273371140)

https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1496165752298254341 (https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1496165752298254341)

Putin recognizes the entire Donbass as independent including the port city Mariupol currently not under rebel control.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMN1mOVXoAYLpUP?format=jpg)

https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1496161811321786372 (https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1496161811321786372)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 22, 2022, 01:32:11 PM
Putin's ultimatum to Kyiv summarized:
1. To recognise the will of people in Sevastopol and Crimea
2. UA should not join NATO. UA authorities themselves must refuse to join
3. To solve the problem of #Donbass through negotiations, but it is no longer relevant
4. Demilitarisation of UA

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMNmh-UXwAEJnPp?format=png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 22, 2022, 04:12:27 PM
For some reason I really want to play Civilization
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on February 22, 2022, 06:41:58 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/8wlfNUw.jpeg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 23, 2022, 03:20:16 AM
https://twitter.com/Leftwatch2/status/1496190025343684616
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 23, 2022, 10:18:13 AM
So Russia invaded but didnt really invade?

Just like in Civilization when I amass troops on the border, declare war, and then it takes me 5 turns to actually reach the city because it's all hill terrain
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 23, 2022, 01:22:57 PM
All preperations are complete and Russia is set to invade within 48 hours according to the latest news.

Ukraine is trying to persuade NATO to cover their air space from Poland and the Baltics, as that would dramatically reduce the risk of the Russians moving beyond the Dnieper.

The Russians have evacuated their embassy in Kyiv.


https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1496556653654810626 (https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1496556653654810626)

Meanwhile

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1496556748559290378 (https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1496556748559290378)

Quote
"Taiwan is like two feet from China and we are eight thousand miles away. If they invade, there isn’t a fucking thing we can do about it."
- Donald Trump, 2019
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 23, 2022, 02:47:10 PM
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1496519723487531008 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1496519723487531008)

 :gbcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 23, 2022, 03:52:31 PM
Do we think Russia will start launching virtual attacks on US websites (like Facebook) and if so, how will Daddy Joe respond?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 23, 2022, 03:54:48 PM
https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1496588508839956489 (https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1496588508839956489)

Welp, looks like this is it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 23, 2022, 04:26:49 PM
Quote from: james on February 23, 2022, 03:52:31 PM
Do we think Russia will start launching virtual attacks on US websites (like Facebook) and if so, how will Daddy Joe respond?
Can I write a letter to Putin to request this?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 23, 2022, 04:27:52 PM
Quote from: Potato on February 23, 2022, 04:26:49 PM
Quote from: james on February 23, 2022, 03:52:31 PM
Do we think Russia will start launching virtual attacks on US websites (like Facebook) and if so, how will Daddy Joe respond?
Can I write a letter to Putin to request this?

Everyone will celebrate when they knock down facebook but imagine the chaos if Youtube goes offline
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 23, 2022, 04:28:36 PM
Quote from: Nintex on February 23, 2022, 03:54:48 PM
https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1496588508839956489 (https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1496588508839956489)

Welp, looks like this is it.
I wonder what it feels like to produce absolute theatre like this?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 23, 2022, 04:29:01 PM
Quote from: james on February 23, 2022, 04:27:52 PM
Quote from: Potato on February 23, 2022, 04:26:49 PM
Quote from: james on February 23, 2022, 03:52:31 PM
Do we think Russia will start launching virtual attacks on US websites (like Facebook) and if so, how will Daddy Joe respond?
Can I write a letter to Putin to request this?

Everyone will celebrate when they knock down facebook but imagine the chaos if Youtube goes offline
Even better
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 23, 2022, 04:36:49 PM
the Russians are winning

Dow closes at its lowest level of 2022 so far, S&P 500 drops further into correction territory

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/22/stock-market-futures-open-to-close-news.html

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 23, 2022, 05:13:27 PM
Quote from: Potato on February 23, 2022, 04:28:36 PM
I wonder what it feels like to produce absolute theatre like this?
From what I've seen and what some foreign correspondents have also noted is that this propaganda campaign lacks the enthusiasm of the earlier ones.
You see an RT reporter pry out a shell with a stick and 'freedom celebrations' with 10 people and some fireworks. The whole thing is sloppy, including the meta data and documents signed on the wrong dates.
It's like the folks carrying out the orders don't give a shit and do the bare minimum.

Even taking into account the fact that this is mostly for domestic consumption (remember, lots of Russians can't read English so the Russian news is all they ever get) the quality is piss poor.
Which also begs the question of how much effort the Russian military will actually put into this invasion. Because they know that moving on Kharkiv and Kyiv will not be a surprise attack like taking the Crimea or conquering some remote Georgian villages.
Ukraine put up a decent fight last time with just their hastily recruited militia's (which is why the area the rebels control is quite small) even after Russia took out most of their air force.
This time Ukraine has turned on their air defenses and they can see the Russian columns clog up the roads on Google Maps. I don't see anything but a very difficult battle ahead if they decide to attack Ukrainian armed forces directly and push for the big cities.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 23, 2022, 05:31:58 PM
There is clearly some dissent in Russia too if the farce with Putin/intelligence guy was anything to go by.

Never discount the fury of Russian mothers being greeted by their sons coming home in body bags.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 23, 2022, 05:40:17 PM
Quote from: Potato on February 23, 2022, 05:31:58 PM
There is clearly some dissent in Russia too if the farce with Putin/intelligence guy was anything to go by.

Never discount the fury of Russian mothers bring greeted by their sons coming home in body bags.
It's why they're bringing mobile crematoriums.
https://twitter.com/TelegraphWorld/status/1496587775050670083 (https://twitter.com/TelegraphWorld/status/1496587775050670083)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 23, 2022, 05:40:31 PM
Plus Russia is looking at 800 covid deaths a day
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 23, 2022, 05:59:22 PM
Zelensky just went live. Says Ukraine does not want war but will defend itself.
Spoke in Russian and appealed to the Russian people to prevent the war.

https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/1496619010842152960 (https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/1496619010842152960)

https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1496620637019852812 (https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1496620637019852812)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 23, 2022, 06:01:23 PM
Quote from: Nintex on February 23, 2022, 05:40:17 PM
Quote from: Potato on February 23, 2022, 05:31:58 PM
There is clearly some dissent in Russia too if the farce with Putin/intelligence guy was anything to go by.

Never discount the fury of Russian mothers bring greeted by their sons coming home in body bags.
It's why they're bringing mobile crematoriums.
https://twitter.com/TelegraphWorld/status/1496587775050670083 (https://twitter.com/TelegraphWorld/status/1496587775050670083)
:pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 23, 2022, 06:04:28 PM
https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1496622105483517952 (https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1496622105483517952)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 23, 2022, 06:10:52 PM
Not that I think it will do anything, but it is satisfying watching Putin getting called out on his bullshit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 23, 2022, 06:28:51 PM
Russia just closed the air space on the Ukrainian border.
https://twitter.com/L0gg0l/status/1496627325609328641 (https://twitter.com/L0gg0l/status/1496627325609328641)

Quote from: Zelensky's speech
Today I initiated a phone call with the president of the Russian Federation.
The result was silence, though the silence should be in the Donbas.
As a result I want to address all citizens of Russia.

We are separated by more than 2000 km of mutual borders, along which 200,000 of your soldiers and 1,000 armored vehicles are standing.
Your leadership has approved their step forward onto the territory of another country. This step could become the beginning of a big war.
The cause could come up at any moment, any provocation, any spark, a spark that could burn everything down.
You are told that this flame will liberate the people of Ukraine, but the Ukrainian people are free.

You are told we hate Russian culture. How can one hate a culture?
Neighbors always enrich each other culturally, however, that doesn’t make them a single whole, it doesn’t dissolve us into you. We are different, but that is not a reason to be enemies.
Listen to the voice of reason. The people of Ukraine want peace, the authorities in Ukraine want peace, they want it and are doing everything they can for it.
We don’t need war.

But if we are attacked, if someone attempts to take away our land, our freedom, our lives, the lives of our children, we will defend ourselves.
We won’t attack, but defend ourselves. By attacking, you will see our faces, not our backs, but our faces.

War will remove guarantees from everyone. No one will have security guarantees any more.
Who will suffer most of all from this? People. Who wants this the least? People.
Who can not allow this to happen? People. There are these people among you, I’m sure of it.

I know this speech of mine won’t be shown on Russian TV, but the people of Russia need to see it.
They need to know the truth. The truth is that this must be stopped before it is too late, and if the leadership of the Russia does not want to sit down at a table for peace with us, then maybe it will sit down at a table with you.
Do Russians want war? I would very much like to answer this question. But the answer depends only on you — the citizens of the Russian Federation.

War means pain, mud, blood and the death of thousands — tens of thousands of deaths. You are told that Ukraine is a threat to Russia.
It was not in the past, it is not now, and it won’t be in the future.

Media in Ukraine reports Russia to attack Ukraine 4 AM Kyiv time, which is in 2 hours or so.  :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on February 23, 2022, 10:46:56 PM
Quote from: Potato on February 23, 2022, 06:10:52 PM
Not that I think it will do anything, but it is satisfying watching Putin getting called out on his bullshit.

I find all the begging for him to stop infuriating. Not that I expect much out of the UN after what they did to Emma Reilly. They're purely a virtue-signalling operation.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: OnlyRegret on February 23, 2022, 10:50:42 PM
here we go here we go
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 23, 2022, 11:01:10 PM
Fuck Putin why the fuck isn't the cia popping his ass
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Borealis on February 23, 2022, 11:04:20 PM
First SPG artillery and aerial bombings to soften Ukraine's defences, then ground attacks plus amphibious landings to follow in the coming hours.

At least stop peddling the bullshit "Russia has been left no chance to protect itself by other means" Putin.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 23, 2022, 11:05:36 PM
Quote from: james on February 23, 2022, 11:01:10 PM
Fuck Putin why the fuck isn't the cia popping his ass
https://twitter.com/JenGriffinFNC/status/1496681322869362691
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 23, 2022, 11:11:13 PM
Nothing makes me doubt Russia's status as an international power as much as these propaganda clips:
https://twitter.com/jakluge/status/1496521293126066181
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: chronovore on February 24, 2022, 01:32:46 AM
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-orders-military-operations-ukraine-demands-kyiv-forces-surrender-2022-02-24/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on February 24, 2022, 01:54:26 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 23, 2022, 11:11:13 PM
Nothing makes me doubt Russia's status as an international power as much as these propaganda clips:
https://twitter.com/jakluge/status/1496521293126066181

to be fair, nazi germany was an international power and the gleiwitz incident was at a similar level of amateur hour
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on February 24, 2022, 02:59:52 AM
https://twitter.com/rachelmorison/status/1496753605935874049

 :popcorn
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 24, 2022, 03:00:34 AM
Fuck this is bad, ukraine hit hard by the orcs  :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 24, 2022, 03:20:55 AM
Germany's army chief says they can't help but hints at rearmament

https://twitter.com/tobiaschneider/status/1496759242786852871 (https://twitter.com/tobiaschneider/status/1496759242786852871)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 24, 2022, 03:23:54 AM
https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1496762091566678018 (https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1496762091566678018)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on February 24, 2022, 05:24:25 AM
Those battalions of antifa supersoldiers sure would be useful right now  :-\
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Snoopycat_ on February 24, 2022, 07:27:36 AM
More sanctions. Ooh. Putin will be shitting himself now. It's not like Europe depends on Russia for it's gas supply or anything
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 24, 2022, 12:03:01 PM
are there any actual good arguments i can read for why this isn't an enormous own goal for Putin/RF/Putin's circle? like I'm racking my brains and just can't come up with any plausibly likely scenario where this isn't a huge disaster for them

like that thing with Trump going on about Putin's genius ... never mind the outage about him being unpatriotic or a traitor or whatever like ... it's just factually wrong? like, no he's not he's a fucking idiot lol????
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 24, 2022, 12:33:19 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on February 24, 2022, 12:03:01 PM
are there any actual good arguments i can read for why this isn't an enormous own goal for Putin/RF/Putin's circle? like I'm racking my brains and just can't come up with any plausibly likely scenario where this isn't a huge disaster for them

like that thing with Trump going on about Putin's genius ... never mind the outage about him being unpatriotic or a traitor or whatever like ... it's just factually wrong? like, no he's not he's a fucking idiot lol????

Aside from oil going up = more oil money....

Theres like zero upside. Dude might just be mentally gone.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on February 24, 2022, 12:36:28 PM
what are his numbers like in Russia, this could be one way of changing onto power :putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on February 24, 2022, 01:02:10 PM
It's only a bad move if the Russian invasion fails. Who's going to stop them? Unless Europe is willing to fight, Russia has already won.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 24, 2022, 01:24:27 PM
If Germany keeps blocking sanctions against the orcs we should invade Germany.  ::)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: jorma on February 24, 2022, 01:27:06 PM
Quote from: Nintex on February 24, 2022, 01:24:27 PM
If Germany keeps blocking sanctions against the orcs we should invade Germany.  ::)


i just want to know how occam feels about that!  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 24, 2022, 01:44:05 PM
Biden speaking

Should have been Bernie
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 24, 2022, 01:46:34 PM
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1496905869983768581 (https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1496905869983768581)

https://twitter.com/Coalition_NSK/status/1496841602597367815 (https://twitter.com/Coalition_NSK/status/1496841602597367815)

Pretty big protests in Russia against the war.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 24, 2022, 02:02:06 PM
Biden announced more sanctions, says Putin aims to restore the entire Soviet Union and will go beyond Ukraine

Ukraine won't go down without a fight

https://twitter.com/StratcomCentre/status/1496922915954216962 (https://twitter.com/StratcomCentre/status/1496922915954216962)

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1496944661256097793 (https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1496944661256097793)

https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1496943641796960263 (https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1496943641796960263)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 24, 2022, 02:52:55 PM
UEFA with the important sanctions...removes Champions League final from St Petersburg.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/60504979 (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/60504979)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on February 24, 2022, 03:22:47 PM
Looks like the latest Russian disinformation campaign has kicked off

(https://abload.de/img/fmynirawuaqucdtm4juz.jpeg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 24, 2022, 03:47:29 PM
Quote
Foreign Minister of #France says, "Putin must realize that NATO is also a nuclear alliance."

 :rodney

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1496948523442622465 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1496948523442622465)

Brave people standing up to the madman
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 24, 2022, 04:40:18 PM
https://twitter.com/AVindman/status/1496954024914046978 (https://twitter.com/AVindman/status/1496954024914046978)

Another confirmation that they destroyed the Russian Air Assault units. About 200 Russians were flown in with 30 helicopters and captured the airport so more troops could be flown in for an assault on Kyiv then Ukraine counter attacked under the cover of darkness, destroyed them, shot down 3 helicopters and prevented reinforcements from landing.

Those air ports will be vital to keep receiving arms from allies and preventing the Russians from taking Kyiv without a grinding ground assault.

As expected Russia is making gains quickly in the South pushing up from Crimea to link up all the way with their occupied zone in Moldova along the coast but not so much in the East and West.
They've been unable to encircle Kharkiv, seize Kyiv or capture the Ukrainian leadership. Tonight Ukraine expects more attempts to land Air Assault forces in key strategic locations as well as air attacks as the Russians have pretty much achieved dominance in the air.

Macron called Putin a short while ago and told him to stop the war immediately. Putin responded by again explaining his demented justifications.

Since disarming Ukraine is one of Putin's goals the Ukrainians have started to arm everyone who can hold a gun. Today they've handed out 10k assault rifles to the citizens of Kyiv.
They probably expect they will be able to negotiate some sort of ceasefire if the Russians have no choice but to enter the fortified cities and engage in urban warfare to achieve their goals.
Despite his rantings Putin seems to have forgotten how 'alike' Ukraine and Russia are. The images of Ukrainians hiding in the soviet-era metro stations will have a big impact on Russian support for the war which is already shaky.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 24, 2022, 04:53:45 PM
I'm not the only one who has noticed that the Russians are so far trying to prevent having to fight in cities and rather defeat the UA army in the outskirts.
https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1496964164484481025 (https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1496964164484481025)

In places like Sumy it didn't end well for the orcs who entered the town.
The war is by no means over but it didn't end tonight as it could have if the Russians had held the airport near Kyiv.
Their ground forces are still moving towards the city but that's a far slower process than flying in the special forces.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 24, 2022, 06:35:11 PM
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1496982763064365057 (https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1496982763064365057)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2022, 07:58:00 PM
https://twitter.com/_khaaan/status/1496947720304529419
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2022, 08:18:50 PM
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1496788626658807814
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Tasty on February 24, 2022, 08:30:35 PM
Shit guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZcZ6eJoxeE
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on February 24, 2022, 09:37:49 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putler
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2022, 09:51:17 PM
https://twitter.com/RussiaUN/status/1496623763722579975

 :hmm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2022, 09:55:49 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMZ3kd1X0AMTwCZ?format=jpg&name=small)
(https://i.imgur.com/RxiTnvs.png)

 :hmm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2022, 11:37:11 PM
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1496789870957809664
(https://i.imgur.com/ghXFNV9.png)

 :hmm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 25, 2022, 12:09:59 AM
Has anyone found a hot Twitter take handwringing about the climate cost of all this military activity?

Surely there's at least one out there.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 25, 2022, 12:11:49 AM
Quote from: Potato on February 25, 2022, 12:09:59 AM
Has anyone found a hot Twitter take handwringing about the climate cost of all this military activity?

Surely there's at least one out there.
Is this close enough:
https://twitter.com/MEMRIReports/status/1496797619825352706
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 25, 2022, 12:15:33 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 25, 2022, 12:11:49 AM
Quote from: Potato on February 25, 2022, 12:09:59 AM
Has anyone found a hot Twitter take handwringing about the climate cost of all this military activity?

Surely there's at least one out there.
Is this close enough:
https://twitter.com/MEMRIReports/status/1496797619825352706 (https://twitter.com/MEMRIReports/status/1496797619825352706)

 :delicious

Too bad no one cares about John Kerry at all...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 25, 2022, 12:36:33 AM
The head of Russia's space program seems to be suggesting that he might smash the International Space Station into the United States over sanctions:
(https://i.imgur.com/r7pO5FM.png)

https://twitter.com/Rogozin/status/1496934100363587587

People are roasting him and the Russian space program in the replies:
https://twitter.com/angryUTdude/status/1496942079934533645
https://twitter.com/StephanieBumpus/status/1497009281425723404
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 25, 2022, 03:24:52 AM
Heavy fighting for Kyiv today.

UA blew up bridges, Russkies entered disguised as UA soldiers but they were found and eliminated. Ukraine also struck a Russian airfield. Ukraine has told the people of Kyiv to make molotovs cocktails and report anything they see.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Snoopycat_ on February 25, 2022, 08:34:06 AM
On a more positive note Sean Penn and Louis CK are in the capital filming the Tropic Thunder sequel
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 25, 2022, 10:28:40 AM
It's ok everyone, Greta is on the case...

https://mobile.twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1497163346772176932 (https://mobile.twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1497163346772176932)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on February 25, 2022, 12:06:42 PM
heard from my desk just now

40 year old blonde: "so why did russia invade the ukraine? I just don't understand what's going on?"

patient mfer: "well, putin is old school and he wants the soviet union back."

40 year old blonde: "and he's the president?"

patient mfer: "he's the russian president, yes. and he wants to take back what he perceives that he used to own as part of russia."

40 year old blonde: "so he's a bad guy."

:busta :duh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on February 25, 2022, 01:22:42 PM
I blame comic book movies
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 25, 2022, 01:49:05 PM
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1497194677753110528

:pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on February 25, 2022, 01:59:32 PM
his goal wasn't Ukraine at all

Putin realized he can use the ruins of Chernobyl to destroy the world, he just needed to recapture it

(the recent HBO miniseries gave him the idea)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 25, 2022, 02:13:50 PM
https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1497156832170815516

:pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 25, 2022, 02:29:25 PM
Europe finally taking things seriously

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1497250849554411522
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 25, 2022, 02:38:26 PM
Nintex is being sent to Poland

https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/1497271132512129026
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on February 25, 2022, 03:59:44 PM
"mixed feelings"

(https://abload.de/img/fmdlksawqaoxriyp9j6z.jpeg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 25, 2022, 04:07:40 PM
Zuckerburg has called in his favor. An attack on Facebook is an attack on everyone

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1497309173498875907
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on February 25, 2022, 04:39:19 PM
https://twitter.com/mblaszczak/status/1497258005955547143

Quote
The convoy with the ammunition that we are handing over to Ukraine has already reached our neighbors. We support the Ukrainians, we stand in solidarity and we firmly oppose Russian aggression.

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1497285592207429633
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 25, 2022, 08:04:28 PM
https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1497344191474528258 (https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1497344191474528258)

Slava Ukraini!

Another 125 - 255 paratroopers lost.
The invading army has seriously bad karma.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 25, 2022, 08:40:00 PM
https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1497381890386497543 (https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1497381890386497543)

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1497384275561308168 (https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1497384275561308168)

Heavy fighting in Kyiv.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 25, 2022, 09:06:53 PM
Quote from: Nintex on February 25, 2022, 08:04:28 PM
https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1497344191474528258 (https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1497344191474528258)

Slava Ukraini!

Another 125 - 255 paratroopers lost.
The invading army has seriously bad karma.
Ukraine claims another one of these big chungus
https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1497389484362461187 (https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1497389484362461187)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BrokenVerses on February 25, 2022, 11:02:08 PM
There are reports that Russian tanks have been rolling into battle with fake Explosive Reactive Armor (ERA) on them.

The million dollar question is if the crews know this or it was placed on as a placebo.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 26, 2022, 04:38:03 AM
https://twitter.com/JimLaPorta/status/1497428052988641281 (https://twitter.com/JimLaPorta/status/1497428052988641281)

https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1497485623225200640 (https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1497485623225200640)

Kyiv repelled a large attack tonight. 

Russian losses estimated at 3000 dead and 500 pow's.
Ukraine also claims 530 vehicles destroyed.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 26, 2022, 04:51:42 AM
Russia to be cut from SWIFT
https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1497502946480869378 (https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1497502946480869378)

Dutch send 200 more stingers, Macron also sending military aid says it will be a long war.

Putin's vassal states are dropping their support also
https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1497480540072689668 (https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1497480540072689668)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 26, 2022, 05:07:17 AM
Russian military failures...ya hate ta see it!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 26, 2022, 05:12:25 AM
Czechs will bring some guns too, directly to the front if necessary
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497502621619347457 (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497502621619347457)

UK will also help with logistics
https://twitter.com/haynesdeborah/status/1497506190842023937 (https://twitter.com/haynesdeborah/status/1497506190842023937)

Zelensky's anti-Putin coalition is taking shape.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 26, 2022, 05:19:59 AM
It's hard to see what Putin's endgame is here.

So, let's say organised Ukrainian resistance crumbles and a puppet government is installed. The population will clearly not give it legitimacy, there will definitely be insurgencies and the international community isn't going to deal with them.

What does he plan on doing once this ends?

Are Russian troops going to occupy the country? That will take a massive deployment and will consistently cost lives, just like the US found in Iraq and Afghanistan.

If they don't occupy, then I can't see this puppet regime lasting.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 26, 2022, 06:26:38 AM
Poland refusing to play against Russia in the World Cup playoff. They are in discussions with the Swedish and Czech football associations to present a unified front to FIFA.

So happy to see the world standing together to isolate Russia and send a message that this is not acceptable behaviour.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 26, 2022, 06:49:07 AM
It depends on the goal. His goal to wreck Ukraine and its economy has succeeded. Important infrastructure is destroyed (either by the enemy or in defense) as multiple airfields, factories, power plants, ports are in ruins. But the Russians anticipated a quick victory, basically by using their pro-Russian factions and saboteurs already in Ukraine to sabotage the defense and hitting Ukraine's bases in a 'shock and awe' manner. Then the cannon fodder would come in to bog down the Ukrainian army and keep 'order'. During that distraction special forces would aim to capture and control key targets such as the leadership.

The first action is failing because of social media. The Ukraine MOD has put out this simple instruction: "If we can see it, we can destroy it. If we can't see it, tell us where it is". Often troops show up disguised as Ukrainian units that are quickly destroyed or arrested. They have basically enlisted their entire population to keep track of the Russians. Plus they've received significant intel from the UK and US about Russian plans and movements.

The second action was limited because Russia does not have a large stockpile of precision weapons that the US has and more importantly Ukraine hadn't yet mobilized. Russia destroyed barracks, military installations and air bases which were mostly still not fully staffed. The attacks only boosted morale of the soldiers still home or already entrenched in the East.

The cannon fodder rolled in with their columns, poorly supplied and mostly confused. They were called up for 'exercises' and suddenly find themselves in war.  Being berated by the elderly and shot at by angry Ukrainian forces. What they find is not what they were told: to be received as 'liberators' ending a genocide. This has made the job of the special forces speeding towards more important targets much harder as the Ukrainian forces have not been demoralized, spread out or worn down from the fighting. Far from it. They've also not launched reprisals on the Russians living in Ukraine, in fact they hand out weapons to anyone willing to fight for their homes.

So the Russian cannon fodder is now mostly stuck outside the cities in the vast empty steppes without fuel like the Wehrmacht was or fled into the woods surrounding Kyiv and other places. Elite units were either taken out or never managed to land.
A limited failure on the part of Russia could however also backfire. As it supports Putin's claim that Ukraine was heavily armed and thus a threat to Russia.

They're now sending in the Chechens which are brutal fighting machines. Chances are they can force a breakthrough in Kyiv. The Russians have already started to claim 'false' victories and captures as they need something to boost morale and heroic stories of how they fought the Nazi's. So far only stories of the Ukrainian Reaper, who shot 20 Russians, the Ghost of Kyiv who shot down 5 planes with an obsolete Mig-29 and the soldier that defied a Russian warship by telling the captain to go fuck himself are making the rounds. Not to mention Zelensky who has become a symbol of the fight for democracy agains dementia and tyranny. The old vs. the new.

On the long term though Ukraine is fighting on 4 different fronts, which is not sustainable. And so far the Russians have decided not to attack cities in full force like they did in Syria and Grozny.
For their standards the Russians on the ground are pretty careful in their operations and partly because they see this as a mission to free their brothers from an evil regime.

This is why Macron predicts a long war because the Russians can move slowly to 'liberate' Ukraine town by town, street by street and reinforce the border areas they've captured like they did in the Donbas.
Creating an ever smaller pocket for Ukraine to defend in a war of attrition they can't afford.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 26, 2022, 07:22:14 AM
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497535683363233799 (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497535683363233799)

Poland getting everyone on board to kick the Russians from SWIFT. Orban drops his support for Putin.
They're in Berlin today to get the Germans on board as well.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 26, 2022, 08:32:21 AM
This report is doing the round in the EU parliament, it paints a pretty grim picture for the Russians.

https://twitter.com/RihoTerras/status/1497537196282331137 (https://twitter.com/RihoTerras/status/1497537196282331137)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on February 26, 2022, 08:41:01 AM
I want to be optimistic but it has never worked out for me, ever. Hong Kong, Belarus, Myanmar...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 26, 2022, 09:10:39 AM
Zelensky thanks Erdogan for closing the black sea to Russian warships.

China is calling on the fighting to end and has offered to mediate.

Ukraine has asked the Red Cross to take in the bodies of the dead Russian soldiers as Russian command refuses to collect them.

https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1497524209228079107 (https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1497524209228079107)

Ukraine starting to remove street signs to make sure that Russian forces stranded and lost stay that way.  :doge
https://twitter.com/NotWoofers/status/1497573576253313026 (https://twitter.com/NotWoofers/status/1497573576253313026)

And everyone is making Molotov cocktails
https://twitter.com/sarahrainsford/status/1497573840691552261 (https://twitter.com/sarahrainsford/status/1497573840691552261)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2022, 10:22:31 AM
https://twitter.com/MrGeorgeWallace/status/1496599704309665792
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2022, 10:33:49 AM
SWIFT?

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497288086622978048
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Snoopycat_ on February 26, 2022, 10:48:27 AM
Nobody seems to have noticed Steven Seagal was given Russian citizenship a few days ago. Coincidence? I think not.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2022, 10:52:58 AM
Quote from: Snoopycat_ on February 26, 2022, 10:48:27 AM
Nobody seems to have noticed Steven Seagal was given Russian citizenship a few days ago. Coincidence? I think not.
FACT CHECK: Steven Seagal has had Russian citizenship since 2016.

(https://i.imgur.com/RIQ1BYm.jpg)
(https://gdb.rferl.org/8C91CB13-A827-42AE-8220-6B6FF99077C2_cx0_cy4_cw0_w408_r1_s.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Snoopycat_ on February 26, 2022, 11:16:12 AM
Of course the real question is where is Dolph Lundgren
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: jorma on February 26, 2022, 11:36:13 AM
Quote from: Snoopycat_ on February 26, 2022, 11:16:12 AM
Of course the real question is where is Dolph Lundgren

struggling

https://www.instagram.com/p/CaafsaCv1kK/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on February 26, 2022, 12:28:31 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 26, 2022, 10:52:58 AM
Quote from: Snoopycat_ on February 26, 2022, 10:48:27 AM
Nobody seems to have noticed Steven Seagal was given Russian citizenship a few days ago. Coincidence? I think not.
FACT CHECK: Steven Seagal has had Russian citizenship since 2016.

(https://i.imgur.com/RIQ1BYm.jpg)
(https://gdb.rferl.org/8C91CB13-A827-42AE-8220-6B6FF99077C2_cx0_cy4_cw0_w408_r1_s.jpg)

Surprised the FSB hasn't nuked the first image from the internet  :lol :lol :lol

The 6'4 Steven Seagal vs. the 5'5 (in heels) Vladimir Putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2022, 12:29:40 PM
https://twitter.com/terrelljstarr/status/1497514654242910209
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2022, 12:32:23 PM
Quote from: who is ted danson? on February 26, 2022, 12:28:31 PM
the 5'5 (in heels) Vladimir Putin
https://twitter.com/maxwelltani/status/1497299896398974984
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 26, 2022, 12:46:57 PM
https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1497595498991177734 (https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1497595498991177734)

The Russians got absolutely wrecked today :dice

Looks like the EU strategy is to just send these guys all the rocket launchers so they can destroy the Russian armor.

https://twitter.com/herszenhorn/status/1497594179526008840 (https://twitter.com/herszenhorn/status/1497594179526008840)

The invasion of Poland will be on horseback if this keeps up
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on February 26, 2022, 12:47:15 PM
(https://abload.de/img/fmh8lpcx0aatus6nxktn.jpeg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2022, 12:57:46 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMiGrzLVIAUnT7N?format=jpg&name=small)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMiGrzLVIAc8a3V?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on February 26, 2022, 01:11:11 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/SameeraKhan/status/1497606214037000195
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 26, 2022, 01:22:33 PM
Just as Russia reports Zelensky has fled he announces Russia is to be cut from SWIFT
https://twitter.com/ASLuhn/status/1497632562637795330 (https://twitter.com/ASLuhn/status/1497632562637795330)

Also, he vows that they will keep fighting as long as it takes to liberate Ukraine.
https://twitter.com/berojag59060636/status/1497630415107936258 (https://twitter.com/berojag59060636/status/1497630415107936258)

Finally he is now pushing for Russia to lose their seat and veto at the UN security council.
https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1497633468586541057 (https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1497633468586541057)

Germany finally delivering arms and helping to deliver Dutch arms to Ukraine. That's a total of 1000 German and 400 Dutch anti-tank missiles.
And 500 German and 200 Dutch stingers en route.
https://twitter.com/Bundeskanzler/status/1497632817450266632 (https://twitter.com/Bundeskanzler/status/1497632817450266632)

Sweden and Finland blocked a Russian government plane from entering their airspace. Russia is being isolated more and more.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 26, 2022, 01:25:31 PM
Russia needs to be completely isolated. The only long term solution is the Russian people rejecting Putin's dictatorship and removing him from power themselves.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2022, 01:28:35 PM
https://twitter.com/DanBoeckner/status/1497441777292353546
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 26, 2022, 01:36:49 PM
Sweden will not play would cup qualifier March against Russia regardless of location.

Norway not allowing Russian skiiers to compete in events in Norway.

Keep it going.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 26, 2022, 01:49:47 PM
https://twitter.com/idreesali114/status/1497643996008624135 (https://twitter.com/idreesali114/status/1497643996008624135)

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/LegitimateCircularHornshark-size_restricted.gif)

Putin's attempts to 'hide' the war at home after declaring it aren't going well.
https://twitter.com/cliffordlevy/status/1497634262018891777 (https://twitter.com/cliffordlevy/status/1497634262018891777)

Yes, you read that correctly Putin doesn't want the war he declared reported on. Tells you how well it is going.  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on February 26, 2022, 02:23:34 PM
J.K. Rowling has announced that the Russian Quidditch team is censured and will not be welcomed at future events, effective immediately
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2022, 02:56:23 PM
https://twitter.com/ireneface/status/1497641924349599750
https://twitter.com/SarahClapp/status/1497641167634243590
https://twitter.com/MikeOlbinski/status/1497648051355197442
https://twitter.com/pRiMeTiMeSwIsH/status/1497631899732234240

 :putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on February 26, 2022, 04:56:01 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/worldonalert/status/1497668384611258373
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on February 26, 2022, 04:58:24 PM
Heard he shot himself twice in the back of the head. Poor guy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2022, 05:27:21 PM
https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/1497671734635290625

Shoot em all I guess, let Putin sort em out.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: chronovore on February 26, 2022, 05:43:41 PM
http://twitter.com/doubleanna/status/1497646964388741120
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 26, 2022, 06:22:58 PM
https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1497696378461593605 (https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1497696378461593605)

:rejoice

Russia is now sharing the hall of fame with North Korea and Iraq.  :lol

https://twitter.com/Ukraine/status/1497703466352926722 (https://twitter.com/Ukraine/status/1497703466352926722)

Elon Musk has provided them with communications the Russian's can't take out.

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1497713475895836676 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1497713475895836676)

 :success

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1497696959926263816 (https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1497696959926263816)

 :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 26, 2022, 06:35:39 PM
Most of Europe including Scandinavia and the Baltics have also closed their air space for Russian flights and have cancelled their flights to Russia (some turned around mid flight).

Kalingrad is no longer accesible for Russian planes.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on February 26, 2022, 06:44:08 PM
One of the few times Nintex posts do not make me go  :comeon

Putin, the great uniter after all.  :putin



I personally know someone who still complains about the MSM not giving the nuanced view of the invasion, how they ignore the Nazis running Ukraine and how NATO provoked Russia. :iface
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 26, 2022, 07:14:00 PM
This is one of the dumbest military campaigns in history. Planned by Putin and his pals (even the military was shocked this was going down).
Maybe Putler shouldn't have humiliated his intelligence chief and instead read some intelligence.

https://twitter.com/akihheikkinen/status/1497690713282301959 (https://twitter.com/akihheikkinen/status/1497690713282301959)

Europe was literally standing by and ready to make the occupation of the area the Russians already held in the Donbas 'official'.
With some sort of deal his claim on the Crimea might even be accepted. Effectively ending the war as per the Russian interpretation of the Minks agreements.
What Biden called a 'minor incursion' wink wink nudge nudge.  No chance that Zelensky could've started a war on his own to prevent such moves from Russia (as it would've shut the door to the EU and NATO indefinitely).

Surely there would've been some sanctions and "bad Putin is bad!" takes but nothing that would've changed the situation on the ground.
At home Putin would've been a hero for finally ending the war in Ukraine and the "genocide" of Russians there. Basically all the big players would've been happy on the geopolitical chessboard.
But he starts lobbing missiles at Kyiv instead and invades with an understaffed and under equipped army rotten to the core by corruption.

Ukraine now claims they've killed Kadyrov's number 2.

They also report they have sights on 500 Russian vehicles that are moving towards Kyiv. Right into the blockades, Molotov storms, Turkish drones and freshly delivered anti-tank missiles.
Also the Russians haven't send much to the Donbas(go figure) so the LNR and DNR have not made any gains since the invasion begun.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 26, 2022, 07:29:05 PM
And now the orcs are causing an ecological disaster by destroying an oil plant.

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1497714554377228289 (https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1497714554377228289)

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1497727753830940672 (https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1497727753830940672)

There needs to be some serious talk in the UN security council about securing Chernobyl and handing over to control to a neutral party ASAP.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on February 26, 2022, 07:37:37 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/YMKSjdr.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/piGMDmW.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 26, 2022, 09:52:25 PM
If this isn't the downfall of Putin then I can't help but believe the Russian people just love being oppressed by self-interested dictators.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on February 26, 2022, 10:55:09 PM
"Reports" coming in "claiming"...

Don't believe shit on twitter just cause it sounds good.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on February 26, 2022, 10:56:54 PM
There are reports coming in from Australia claiming that Transhuman is a well-endowed, affluent,.... oh sorry.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on February 26, 2022, 11:08:36 PM
Grain of salt, is all I am saying. It could very well be true but there's so much disinformation going on.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 27, 2022, 02:36:12 AM
Quote from: Transhuman on February 26, 2022, 10:55:09 PM
"Reports" coming in "claiming"...

Don't believe shit on twitter just cause it sounds good.
You're right. This is exactly something I've ranted about so I should follow my own advice.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on February 27, 2022, 02:53:06 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K02g1y1Qzo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on February 27, 2022, 03:50:49 AM
Putin needs to draft Ben Shapiro asap
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on February 27, 2022, 04:08:46 AM
There's gotta be an easier way to make yourself look taller
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 27, 2022, 04:16:36 AM
So the Spetnaz got to Kharkiv with no armor support and looted a shop.
https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1497854775169327109 (https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1497854775169327109)

https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1497846456165842948 (https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1497846456165842948)

There is a bunch of small groups and undefended trucks roaming around the city so again easy pickings
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 27, 2022, 06:26:26 AM
A powerful speech from the German chancellor happening now.
Will start to arm Ukraine with anything they need as they aren't just defending their homeland but democracy and freedom itself.

NordStream 2 is cancelled, 100 billion Euro emergency fund for defense (that tripples the defense budget).

Will not allow the conflict between Putin and the free world to tear open old wounds.
Standing ovation from the Bundestag for those in Russia protesting the war.

Will defend every inch of NATO territory.

Germany needs the most modern vehicles, aircraft, ships and best equipped soldiers.
All this equipment will be developed and manufactured in Europe.

It's over for Putler and his cronies. 

https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1497910412435763200 (https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1497910412435763200)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on February 27, 2022, 06:45:10 AM
Quote from: Sman on February 26, 2022, 06:44:08 PM
I personally know someone who still complains about the MSM not giving the nuanced view of the invasion, how they ignore the Nazis running Ukraine and how NATO provoked Russia. :iface

Shosta or Wraith?

 :putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 27, 2022, 07:47:45 AM
A preview for what happens Monday

https://twitter.com/akihheikkinen/status/1497876278594179074 (https://twitter.com/akihheikkinen/status/1497876278594179074)

https://twitter.com/jason_corcoran/status/1497889119917297665 (https://twitter.com/jason_corcoran/status/1497889119917297665)

And thus
https://twitter.com/Ozkok_A/status/1497913925215657986 (https://twitter.com/Ozkok_A/status/1497913925215657986)

Although this could be another trick and a "Ukrainian" delegation shows up.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on February 27, 2022, 08:13:14 AM
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on February 27, 2022, 08:24:45 AM
Fuck

Vladimir Putin puts nuclear deterrent forces on high alert over Nato's 'unfriendly' sanctions

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/02/27/russia-ukraine-news-war-putin-zelensky-nato-latest-updates/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 27, 2022, 08:28:15 AM
https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1497918774657355778 (https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1497918774657355778)

Meanwhile Kadyrov wants to turn Ukraine into another Chechnya and calls on Putin to put him in charge of the attack on Ukraine.
https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1497917721677385732 (https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1497917721677385732)

Lukashenka calls it not a war yet. Says it could be a war and then Zelensky wouldn't even be able to hide in an American bunker
https://twitter.com/ivan_8848/status/1497872403220815874 (https://twitter.com/ivan_8848/status/1497872403220815874)

This is putin telling his nervous defense people to get the nukes out.
https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1497923042101575685 (https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1497923042101575685)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 27, 2022, 08:41:14 AM
Quote from: Kurt Russell on February 27, 2022, 08:24:45 AM
Fuck

Vladimir Putin puts nuclear deterrent forces on high alert over Nato's 'unfriendly' sanctions

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/02/27/russia-ukraine-news-war-putin-zelensky-nato-latest-updates/
Putler is holding a "vote" today in Belarus to put nukes on its soil to aim at Europe.
Lukashenka and Zelensky have agreed both sides will meet at the border.
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1497929294483447808 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1497929294483447808)

Protests in Moscow started immediately after Putin's latest brainfart.

Russian oligarchs now openly defying the regime
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1497917054212526083 (https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1497917054212526083)

Japan joins EU and US in banning Russia from SWIFT.
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1497915605026025474 (https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1497915605026025474)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on February 27, 2022, 08:48:56 AM
Threatening to nuke isn't unhinged in the slightest :doge

Is Vlad dying and wants to take as many people as he can with him?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on February 27, 2022, 08:55:40 AM
Quote from: Nintex on February 27, 2022, 08:28:15 AM


This is putin telling his nervous defense people to get the nukes out.
https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1497923042101575685 (https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1497923042101575685)

Defense people: "The West has imposed sanctions on us"

Putin: "Get some nukes out"  :putin

Defense people: "War not going well in Ukraine"

Putin: "Get some more nukes out"  :putin

Defense people: "Netflix refuses to uncancel CowBoy Bepop"

Putin: "Get all nukes out"  :putin

Defense people: "Moscow weather forecast for tomorrow is more rain"

Putin: "Get all nukes... move the nukes around"  :putin

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 27, 2022, 09:01:49 AM
Quote from: Pissy F Benny on February 27, 2022, 08:48:56 AM
Threatening to nuke isn't unhinged in the slightest :doge

Is Vlad dying and wants to take as many people as he can with him?
No, he wants a quick resolution before the market opens on monday so he throws his strongest card on the table.
Ukraine disarms, becomes neutral(no EU or NATO membership), accepts the Republics. Possibly some other concessions as well.

Belarus visibly preparing to join the fight, Kadyrov's statement, bringing out the nukes and seizing Chernobyl all have the same goal, to tell Zelensky he has two choices: surrender or be destroyed.

Today the Russians got smashed at Kharkiv a city that they assumed could be taken in minutes because the population there would support them.
In Ukraine they're starting to wonder, if they manage to hold off the Russians long enough can they counter attack and take back the Crimea and Donbas later?

If Zelensky refuses to surrender the next step is probably arial and artillery bombardments of a large city. Possibly Kharkiv as it is closest to the border.

In our view this is a military disaster but the 'Greater Russia' imperialists use this as evidence in their propaganda that heavily armed Nazi's are indeed a threat to them.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 27, 2022, 09:59:41 AM
lmao all the wonks now going: "End the war but give Putin a small victory to sell so he can keep his honour blah blah blah"

He's a weak man that has surrounded himself with 'strong men' who are clearly fed up with his bullshit.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMm6VTHXIAMExwO?format=jpg)

Bypassing the general staff in favor of scum like Kadyrov might not have been the best move for the Czar to pull.

Anti-war protests in Berlin, Prague, Amsterdam :)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMnHIfaXEAYSj7g?format=jpg) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMnHIfTWYAQcg96?format=jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMnIVYFX0AYdHHb?format=jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on February 27, 2022, 10:00:34 AM
Quote from: Transhuman on February 26, 2022, 10:55:09 PM
"Reports" coming in "claiming"...

Don't believe shit on twitter just cause it sounds good.

https://twitter.com/joncoopertweets/status/1497778284137836547
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 27, 2022, 10:16:54 AM
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1497952782694899713 (https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1497952782694899713)

The clown army should go back to where they came from.

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1497945813330411527 (https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1497945813330411527)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMm_ZvAX0Aot8qu?format=jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on February 27, 2022, 10:52:45 AM
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1497928069922926597

 ::)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 27, 2022, 12:04:52 PM
https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1497975994015227907 (https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1497975994015227907)

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 27, 2022, 12:40:39 PM
https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1497973706831929348 (https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1497973706831929348)

Belarus also sanctioned by the EU.

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497988011652485124 (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497988011652485124)

5000 more anti-tank weapons from Sweden.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on February 27, 2022, 12:48:09 PM
I kind of enjoyed Chris Hedges' show on RT.  But I've lost a bit of respect for the man since he's too chicken shit to speak out about what's going on.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 27, 2022, 12:54:57 PM
This is how Putin meets his top military people now.  :doge
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMnjkG1XMAoy6NK?format=jpg)

Zelensky took a selfie with his defense minister: 85 hours of defense
https://twitter.com/UKRINFORM/status/1497972495860838401 (https://twitter.com/UKRINFORM/status/1497972495860838401)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on February 27, 2022, 01:46:56 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/9DDZnUT.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/zThd88a.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 27, 2022, 02:06:12 PM
Kyiv has now been surrounded, no evacuation possible.
A city of 3 million under siege.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on February 27, 2022, 02:20:36 PM
(https://abload.de/img/screenshot_20220227-1z2j94.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: OnlyRegret on February 27, 2022, 02:41:14 PM
pretty impressive
NATO got a free promotional campaign and we've solidified the bad guys for the next dozen CoD games
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: fizzel on February 27, 2022, 02:48:49 PM
Rooskies taking it up the shit pipe.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 27, 2022, 03:06:28 PM
Ukrainians now stealing Russian vehicles

https://twitter.com/kgb_files/status/1498022629814456324 (https://twitter.com/kgb_files/status/1498022629814456324)

https://twitter.com/ua_industrial/status/1498022184685555715 (https://twitter.com/ua_industrial/status/1498022184685555715)

We're going to find out if a currency can have a negative value.
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1498023992191561738 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1498023992191561738)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 27, 2022, 03:21:15 PM
Ukraine rectified the reports about Kyiv being surrounded but there's a large Russian convoy heading their way.

https://twitter.com/UkraineNews0/status/1498022193938276356 (https://twitter.com/UkraineNews0/status/1498022193938276356)

EU plans to supply Ukraine with new fighter aircraft but the details are sketchy at this point
https://twitter.com/danieldschade/status/1498028237687037965 (https://twitter.com/danieldschade/status/1498028237687037965)

Russian news outlets apparently published the victory story about 'greater Russia' too soon
https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1498025819054264328 (https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1498025819054264328)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 27, 2022, 03:33:02 PM
https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1498023555975450626 (https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1498023555975450626)
Totally normal programming

I wonder if China is finally ready to drop their powerful ally.
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1498033015951441922 (https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1498033015951441922)

They are somewhat part of the coalition of the unwilling still.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on February 27, 2022, 03:36:51 PM
Quote from: fizzel on February 27, 2022, 02:48:49 PM
Rooskies taking it up the shit pipe.
:drool
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: T-Short on February 27, 2022, 04:34:27 PM
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1498037904496418817
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: fizzel on February 27, 2022, 05:22:29 PM
EU playing a dangerous game with this fighter plane thing. ATGMs are one thing, but Putin is at the age where cognitive degeneration of some sort is a given.  Complete humiliation of a nuclear power is not a good thing, they need to work behind the scenes to give them an out of this mess they've got themselves in.  Putin steps down, immediate end of sanctions, territorial guarantees for both sides, Ukraine allowed to go its own way.

Russia going back to the bad old days of the 90s would be a catastrophe. No matter how much of a bloody nose they deserve.

Crazy shit happening.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on February 27, 2022, 05:28:09 PM
Quote from: Nintex on February 27, 2022, 12:54:57 PM
This is how Putin meets his top military people now.  :doge
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMnjkG1XMAoy6NK?format=jpg)

Zelensky took a selfie with his defense minister: 85 hours of defense
https://twitter.com/UKRINFORM/status/1497972495860838401 (https://twitter.com/UKRINFORM/status/1497972495860838401)

Does he still wear his platform boots for these meetings :thinking

:putin that is
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on February 27, 2022, 05:41:30 PM
https://twitter.com/idreesali114/status/1498016540662374407

 :gloomy
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 27, 2022, 06:30:10 PM
https://twitter.com/MarQs__/status/1498075136880218127 (https://twitter.com/MarQs__/status/1498075136880218127)

wow that was fast


You can't arrest a van
https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1498075682475229187 (https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1498075682475229187)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 27, 2022, 06:42:20 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/franklinleonard/status/1498018986197327877
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 27, 2022, 06:46:32 PM
https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1498064490637795334 (https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1498064490637795334)

The putin fund is about to go tits up

This is economic suicide  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on February 27, 2022, 06:55:00 PM
Quote from: james on February 27, 2022, 06:42:20 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/franklinleonard/status/1498018986197327877

(https://i.imgur.com/svqac5C.jpeg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 27, 2022, 07:04:02 PM
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1498084587611865090 (https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1498084587611865090)

I'm sure that RT will find 5 people willing to celebrate this
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 27, 2022, 07:49:57 PM
Quote from: Nintex on February 27, 2022, 07:04:02 PM
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1498084587611865090 (https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1498084587611865090)

I'm sure that RT will find 5 people willing to celebrate this

Well, this will get Russian nuclear weapons...let's see...a maximum of 650 km closer to western and central Europe.

 :larry

I am sure the threat level of Europe going up by a fraction of a per cent is not going to change things much.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 27, 2022, 07:53:25 PM
I think it is now safe to say that Putin's Grand Ukrainian Misadventuretm has put to rest this myth that he is some 4-dimensional geopolitical chess mastermind and is actually just a boastful little bully with a big stick.


 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on February 27, 2022, 08:10:51 PM
It's not over yet. Looks like Belarus is about to join Putler's war against Ukraine.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 27, 2022, 08:19:14 PM
Putin often made the right calculations when starting his 'short wars' but no one in Europe wants to go back to an age of imperialism.
Not to mention that after the COVID crisis his timing couldn't have been worse.

Putin probably didn't realize that his speech for 'domestic consumption' would go viral and would be interpreted as a declaration of war on all of Europe.
Millions of Europeans are pissed off in general because of COVID and then Vladimir started this shit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on February 27, 2022, 08:20:49 PM
will european on european violence ever end  :stahp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 27, 2022, 08:23:24 PM
Quote from: Occam on February 27, 2022, 08:10:51 PM
It's not over yet. Looks like Belarus is about to join Putler's war against Ukraine.
There is speculation that if they do this without declaring war the Belarus planes would effectively be "pirates" and Poland would be in their right to shoot them out of the sky as it would be unclear who they would attack.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on February 27, 2022, 08:51:10 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/yNbGzal.png)
 :hesright
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on February 27, 2022, 09:00:44 PM
actually curious what china thinks of all this

like if banning from swift and all the sanctions can literally destroy a country as everyone keeps implying, what countermeasures can they prepare to avoid a similar situation

or they're just nowhere near as bad off as russia to begin with
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 27, 2022, 09:13:09 PM
Not an international finance expert (or even an amateur), but I imagine that if a country that has built its wealth by being the production line for the rest of the world is cut off from international finance systems, that would be pretty bad.

Edit: Just like Russia, which has built the wealth of a few oligarchs by being the energy supplier to almost all of Europe.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 27, 2022, 09:21:20 PM
Is it time for the west to go on the offensive?

Poland should get its old land back

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: chronovore on February 27, 2022, 09:23:22 PM
https://inews.co.uk/news/ukraine-asking-people-tear-down-road-signs-russian-soldiers-get-lost-1486256

I imagine GPS still works, but this will still likely help.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 27, 2022, 09:35:48 PM
Fuck the Ukraine time for Russia to win

https://mobile.twitter.com/Damilare_arah/status/1497654141350522880
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Tasty on February 27, 2022, 10:54:00 PM
I am not politically savvy. Here are my stupid thoughts.

- Everyone seems ready to declare early victory or are otherwise saying Putin's fucked himself... has it even been a week yet? This could go on for months or years.
- I don't think Putin is as dumb as everyone seems to assume. The individual units of the Russian military may not be world-class but there's probably some larger, long-term strategy in play.
- Putin clearly wants to goble up what he can before they join NATO. I don't think he'd ever attack NATO, so the nations outside it are his only chance for expansion.
- I have a gut feeling Russia will use a total of 1 nuclear weapons against Ukraine. US using two in WW2 and Russia never getting to might feel like a slight. This would let Russia flex its might and enter the history books, while using diplomacy to back off any retaliatory threats from NATO (nuking Ukraine technically wouldn't let NATO do anything though).

Maybe I'm totally wrong, who knows. 🤷
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: samir on February 27, 2022, 11:02:49 PM
Quote from: Tasty on February 27, 2022, 10:54:00 PM
I am not politically savvy. Here are my stupid thoughts.

- Everyone seems ready to declare early victory or are otherwise saying Putin's fucked himself... has it even been a week yet? This could go on for months or years.

Russia can (should) win a war against Ukraine, but at what cost? Putin has united basically the entire world against him, and I think from that point of view he has fucked himself and Russia as a whole.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on February 27, 2022, 11:23:28 PM
Quote from: james on February 27, 2022, 09:35:48 PM
Fuck the Ukraine time for Russia to win

https://mobile.twitter.com/Damilare_arah/status/1497654141350522880
uKKKraine tbh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on February 27, 2022, 11:25:56 PM
Quote from: Tasty on February 27, 2022, 10:54:00 PM
I am not politically savvy. Here are my stupid thoughts.

- Everyone seems ready to declare early victory or are otherwise saying Putin's fucked himself... has it even been a week yet? This could go on for months or years.
- I don't think Putin is as dumb as everyone seems to assume. The individual units of the Russian military may not be world-class but there's probably some larger, long-term strategy in play.
- Putin clearly wants to goble up what he can before they join NATO. I don't think he'd ever attack NATO, so the nations outside it are his only chance for expansion.
- I have a gut feeling Russia will use a total of 1 nuclear weapons against Ukraine. US using two in WW2 and Russia never getting to might feel like a slight. This would let Russia flex its might and enter the history books, while using diplomacy to back off any retaliatory threats from NATO (nuking Ukraine technically wouldn't let NATO do anything though).

Maybe I'm totally wrong, who knows. 🤷

it depends on how closely you've been following the situation, how much you've been reading...but also how accurate any of that information might even be, so everyone's takes could be wrong

re: quick victory - there's been plenty of talk that Russia expected to have taken multiple major cities day 1 and doesn't have resources for more than 10 days, and every day costs them millions, which they already cannot afford

if they "win" tomorrow, Ukraine says ok we now surrender and will be your puppets, but sanctions remain in place and they stay ejected from SWIFT, then both Russia AND Ukraine are now economically isolated and fucked

Germany just woke up and have committed to re-arming which is absolutely historic, and it also sounds like they're going to try to ease off on reliance on Russian energy, so regardless of the outcome of the war this is a new wrinkle (Putin isn't stupid and expected this and is totally cool with it?)

re: nuking Ukraine...I mean...the whole point of this is wanting to own the place and re-incorporate it, they don't want a destroyed, irradiated husk, if anything they will nuke places they know they cannot have (and trigger MAD in the process, WW3)

you say Putin's not stupid but then say he will use nukes  :-\  ANY use of nukes is just...the end for Russia, if by some miracle they saw no retaliation, they would be a global pariah and economically shrivel into nothingness

I mean China is its own thing too and they don't want a neighbor who lobs nukes around, even if not at them (yet)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 27, 2022, 11:30:48 PM
This is how we should divide up Russia

https://twitter.com/simongerman600/status/1279830409333915649
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on February 27, 2022, 11:54:22 PM
which part has the most slutlanas?  :shaq
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 28, 2022, 12:04:02 AM
All the posts about how amazing the Ukrainian president are, are going to age poorly with stuff like this

https://twitter.com/rafsanchez/status/1498055479938981888

Folks, while the enemy of your enemy is our friend, that doesnt mean hes a good guy.

Hes a fucking TV actor. He has probably used racist language, raped a fellow actress, and is guaranteed to be a transphobe.


After people felated Cuomo for months due to this Covid press conferences, why do they keep idolizing TV daddies?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on February 28, 2022, 12:07:58 AM
that seems like it could negatively impact the ballistic flight
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on February 28, 2022, 02:45:55 AM
Quote from: james on February 28, 2022, 12:04:02 AM
All the posts about how amazing the Ukrainian president are, are going to age poorly with stuff like this

https://twitter.com/rafsanchez/status/1498055479938981888

Folks, while the enemy of your enemy is our friend, that doesnt mean hes a good guy.

Hes a fucking TV actor. He has probably used racist language, raped a fellow actress, and is guaranteed to be a transphobe.


After people felated Cuomo for months due to this Covid press conferences, why do they keep idolizing TV daddies?

1980's: the US arms the brave mujahedeen fighters of Afghanistan in their fight against the USSR

2001: :dizzy

2001-2021:   :gun :usacry :nintex

Edit:
Or maybe this is more like a modern day russo japanese war

which makes me wonder who is Putin's equivalent of Rasputin  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 28, 2022, 03:56:30 AM
The talks are set to begin
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1498217031983935490 (https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1498217031983935490)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 28, 2022, 04:26:44 AM
Hiking the interest rate to 20% hasn't worked

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1498223196210098180 (https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1498223196210098180)

Ukraine should start the talks with a 5 hour lecture on history :rash

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on February 28, 2022, 04:27:31 AM
Quote from: james on February 28, 2022, 12:04:02 AM
https://twitter.com/rafsanchez/status/1498055479938981888


"This Tweet violated the Twitter rules about hateful content"

....shouldn't this message be on every single tweet about the war? What on earth is it if not 'hateful'?

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 28, 2022, 04:30:24 AM
"Dip the bullets in pork and pigs blood"

"Germany should pay for their own defense"

It's so weird when you see things Trump yelled happen  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 28, 2022, 06:21:11 AM
https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1498198332853915651 (https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1498198332853915651)

Russia buying the dip  :doge
https://twitter.com/JakeCordell/status/1498191397245042690 (https://twitter.com/JakeCordell/status/1498191397245042690)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 28, 2022, 06:48:36 AM
lmao these vehicles
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1498221216649338881 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1498221216649338881)

The Russian theatre has completely collapsed.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on February 28, 2022, 07:12:19 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60542877?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=621caf980ce87e491a0ed7d1%26Russia%20blames%20Liz%20Truss%20for%20nuclear%20%27special%20alert%27%262022-02-28T11%3A41%3A24.396Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:7cdb5dcd-279d-474a-b202-d491d66d6bbe&pinned_post_asset_id=621caf980ce87e491a0ed7d1&pinned_post_type=share

Someone should let them know she's a babbling idiot.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 28, 2022, 07:18:52 AM
Russia bombs Kharkiv and commits some additional war crimes during 'negotiations'.
Dozens reported dead and hundreds wounded. They've also bombed market places and super markets in several cities.

https://twitter.com/WarsontheBrink/status/1498268004819345412 (https://twitter.com/WarsontheBrink/status/1498268004819345412)

This is the city they thought they could take without a shot on the first day.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on February 28, 2022, 07:58:33 AM
Quote from: Nintex on February 28, 2022, 06:21:11 AM
https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1498198332853915651 (https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1498198332853915651)

The best thing about that tweet was this reply:

(https://abload.de/img/twitzfjqp.png)

Nvidia clearly having an existential crisis. Probably triggered by low Ampere GA103 yields or something.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 28, 2022, 08:10:32 AM
https://twitter.com/JackDetsch/status/1498268108427046913 (https://twitter.com/JackDetsch/status/1498268108427046913)

"Don't worry mein Fuhrer, the luftwaffe will take care of business!"

https://twitter.com/FirstSquawk/status/1498284323497480193 (https://twitter.com/FirstSquawk/status/1498284323497480193)
I'm sure PayPutin is going to be a roaring success.


Finland has also decided to supply Ukraine with arms.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2022, 09:25:25 AM
The Swiss are violating their neutrality:
Quote from: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/very-probable-that-swiss-will-freeze-russian-assets-president-2022-02-27/
GENEVA, Feb 27 (Reuters) - Swiss President Ignazio Cassis said on Sunday that it was "very probable" that neutral Switzerland would follow the European Union (EU) on Monday in sanctioning Russia and freezing Russian assets in the Alpine country.

Cassis, interviewed on French-language Swiss public television RTS, said that the seven-member Federal Council would meet on Monday and review recommendations by the departments of finance and economy.

Asked whether Switzerland -- a major financial centre and commodities trading hub -- would follow the EU in freezing Russian assets, he said: "It is very probable that the government will decide to do so tomorrow, but I cannot anticipate decisions not yet taken."

Russia seems to be dumping old inventory:
https://twitter.com/CITeam_en/status/1498284746262126597
Quote from: james on February 28, 2022, 12:04:02 AM
Folks, while the enemy of your enemy is our friend, that doesnt mean hes a good guy.

Hes a fucking TV actor. He has probably used racist language, raped a fellow actress, and is guaranteed to be a transphobe.


After people felated Cuomo for months due to this Covid press conferences, why do they keep idolizing TV daddies?
https://twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1498102477043888128
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on February 28, 2022, 09:32:46 AM
Quote from: james on February 27, 2022, 09:35:48 PM
Fuck the Ukraine time for Russia to win

https://mobile.twitter.com/Damilare_arah/status/1497654141350522880

If you had scrolled down a little, you would have seen this:

https://mobile.twitter.com/NotLLRealz/status/1497764771260600320

The Nigerians were not supposed board the train to Poland according to their own embassy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2022, 09:51:09 AM
https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1498307715415699456
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 28, 2022, 09:51:38 AM
https://twitter.com/Global_Mil_Info/status/1498297357246603266 (https://twitter.com/Global_Mil_Info/status/1498297357246603266)
Switzerland joins the sanctions. Putin can't even stash his gold the way the Nazi's could.

https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1498307568632233987 (https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1498307568632233987)
"Hello Command? These people are shouting at us, are you sure we are welcome?"

"Yes Dimity, Vladimir will soon announce the great Russian Empire. These people are here to celebrate with you"

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 28, 2022, 10:03:30 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 28, 2022, 09:51:09 AM
https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1498307715415699456
The other side of the table

https://twitter.com/antontroian/status/1498276474402574336 (https://twitter.com/antontroian/status/1498276474402574336)

Head of the National bank and Putin's top economic advisor

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMr7LQoWYAYv5Tr?format=png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on February 28, 2022, 10:55:15 AM
Quote from: Nintex on February 28, 2022, 09:51:38 AM
https://twitter.com/Global_Mil_Info/status/1498297357246603266 (https://twitter.com/Global_Mil_Info/status/1498297357246603266)


That's cute but their airspace was de facto inaccessible anyway :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 28, 2022, 11:05:56 AM
https://twitter.com/pmesii_insider/status/1498319092050239494 (https://twitter.com/pmesii_insider/status/1498319092050239494)

Looks like some desertions have begun.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 28, 2022, 11:17:30 AM
https://twitter.com/perfiliev/status/1498327936130240521 (https://twitter.com/perfiliev/status/1498327936130240521)

If the EU accepts Ukraine could soon become a member.
I doubt they're willing to go this far though but the general thinking in the EU is that once Putin takes Ukraine he will move on Georgia, Moldova and the Baltics next.

https://twitter.com/Forbes/status/1498327139497746439 (https://twitter.com/Forbes/status/1498327139497746439)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 28, 2022, 11:27:28 AM
Russian state media accidentally released a piece meant to be published after their victory on February 26th.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMqkc2aWUAIAogT?format=jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMqkc47XIAEqad3?format=jpg)

It is clear they did not expect the west to stand up for Ukraine and prevent the formation of a new Russian Empire.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on February 28, 2022, 11:33:55 AM
I love how anachronistic the vibe and rhythms are.   The Anglo-Saxons.  Like something out of a WW2 speech.  Or maybe i've lived in the bubble of America for too long and just assume everyone else is on the black/white thing paradigm too now.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2022, 11:37:12 AM
https://twitter.com/biannagolodryga/status/1498324941409824780
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2022, 11:48:31 AM
https://twitter.com/BDSixsmith/status/1497702522970157056

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMjLo5aXoAETioz?format=jpg&name=900x900)

Cathy no!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 28, 2022, 11:49:27 AM
https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1498332884121399307 (https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1498332884121399307)

China would like to become North Korea also

https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1498340097837744136 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1498340097837744136)

Kyiv braces for another Orc attack
https://twitter.com/YWNReporter/status/1498342364192067587 (https://twitter.com/YWNReporter/status/1498342364192067587)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 28, 2022, 02:25:21 PM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1498377373422657542 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1498377373422657542)

That's it for the black sea fleet.  :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 28, 2022, 02:46:20 PM
https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/1498381591306981379 (https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/1498381591306981379)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMs3zuJWQAU58J9?format=jpg)

 :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on February 28, 2022, 02:49:46 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/KNJZ4CY.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2022, 02:53:01 PM
https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/1498336076229976076
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2022, 02:56:28 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMrwN13X0AEpBzH?format=jpg&name=small)

 :hmm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 28, 2022, 02:57:19 PM
https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1498377982771359745 (https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1498377982771359745)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMsJ5ZAXEAYtrQL?format=jpg)

Let history so note!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 28, 2022, 03:07:54 PM
Quote from: Nintex on February 28, 2022, 02:57:19 PM
https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1498377982771359745 (https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1498377982771359745)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMsJ5ZAXEAYtrQL?format=jpg)

Let history so note!
History is written by the victors Don, unlike you who was a very big loser.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on February 28, 2022, 03:11:25 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 28, 2022, 02:56:28 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMrwN13X0AEpBzH?format=jpg&name=small)

 :hmm

I was actually thinking about this earlier

there's been reporting that Zelensky's bearing and speech have been pivotal in the response we've seen:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/27/world/europe/volodymyr-zelensky-ukraine-russia.html

Quote
But Mr. Zelensky has also inspired European leaders to do more for Ukraine. Appearing onscreen during the emergency summit meeting of European Union leaders three days ago, on Feb. 24, he gave a passionate 10-minute speech that moved some reluctant leaders to endorse a harsher package of economic sanctions on Russia, a senior European official said.

His intervention will be part of history, said the official, who was in the room. It was very emotional, leaders were deeply affected.

The silence in the room was impressive and the impact was clear, the official added, and it was his impression that it made a major difference in persuading more reluctant countries, like Germany, Italy and Hungary, to agree to tougher financial and banking sanctions and the delivery of defensive weapons to Ukraine.

“This may be the last time you see me alive,” Mr. Zelensky said.

now imagine if it was Angela Merkel or Hillary Clinton in the exact same position trying to give such a speech

would it have worked?

I don't say this from a position of misogyny, but recognizing historical attitudes towards women worldwide, even from leaders

what would the international reaction have been?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 28, 2022, 03:16:00 PM
Hes a fucking actor of course he makes good speeches.

If Meryl Sheep was president than the EU would do whatever she said as well
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 28, 2022, 03:23:53 PM
Quote from: james on February 28, 2022, 03:16:00 PM
Hes a fucking actor of course he makes good speeches.

If Meryl Sheep was president than the EU would do whatever she said as well
Yup, it's kinda ironic that Putin's theatre was dismantled by an actor.
The one guy who called the bluff, stood his ground and dared to look behind the courtains.

Although that also means it is now personal and Putin will level Kyiv to the ground to find Zelensky if he has to.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on February 28, 2022, 03:43:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYD9xu92zSg
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on February 28, 2022, 04:05:42 PM
Quote from: james on February 28, 2022, 03:16:00 PM
Hes a fucking actor of course he makes good speeches.

If Meryl Sheep was president than the EU would do whatever she said as well

mostly I'm picturing Hillary giving a heartfelt speech before NATO
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 28, 2022, 04:08:59 PM
Quote from: Uncle on February 28, 2022, 04:05:42 PM
Quote from: james on February 28, 2022, 03:16:00 PM
Hes a fucking actor of course he makes good speeches.

If Meryl Sheep was president than the EU would do whatever she said as well

mostly I'm picturing Hillary giving a heartfelt speech before NATO

https://youtu.be/Fgcd1ghag5Y
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 28, 2022, 04:31:30 PM
https://twitter.com/DivagoTM/status/1498404944893956097 (https://twitter.com/DivagoTM/status/1498404944893956097)

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on February 28, 2022, 07:04:23 PM
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1498424301594238983


https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1498436993650466820
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2022, 07:34:25 PM
https://twitter.com/mcmoynihan/status/1498404369980604417

 :hmm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 28, 2022, 07:55:26 PM
Update on the convoy
https://twitter.com/evanhill/status/1498452149747032069 (https://twitter.com/evanhill/status/1498452149747032069)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 28, 2022, 08:04:28 PM
Quote from: Propagandhim on February 28, 2022, 07:04:23 PM
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1498424301594238983 (https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1498424301594238983)


https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1498436993650466820 (https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1498436993650466820)

Aren't these the same types of bombs Bush and Obama were dropping into caves in Afghanistan?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 28, 2022, 08:06:17 PM
Quote from: Nintex on February 28, 2022, 07:55:26 PM
Update on the convoy
https://twitter.com/evanhill/status/1498452149747032069 (https://twitter.com/evanhill/status/1498452149747032069)

What's the range on these jets?

How far to the Russian column?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on February 28, 2022, 08:22:34 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 28, 2022, 07:34:25 PM
https://twitter.com/mcmoynihan/status/1498404369980604417

 :hmm

Well paid government jobs in the States?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 28, 2022, 08:28:02 PM
Quote from: Potato on February 28, 2022, 08:04:28 PM
Aren't these the same types of bombs Bush and Obama were dropping into caves in Afghanistan?

Yes but theyve never been used against a civilized country before
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: OnlyRegret on February 28, 2022, 08:32:47 PM
Quote from: Tasty on February 27, 2022, 10:54:00 PM
I am not politically savvy. Here are my stupid thoughts.

- Everyone seems ready to declare early victory or are otherwise saying Putin's fucked himself... has it even been a week yet? This could go on for months or years.
- I don't think Putin is as dumb as everyone seems to assume. The individual units of the Russian military may not be world-class but there's probably some larger, long-term strategy in play.
- Putin clearly wants to goble up what he can before they join NATO. I don't think he'd ever attack NATO, so the nations outside it are his only chance for expansion.
- I have a gut feeling Russia will use a total of 1 nuclear weapons against Ukraine. US using two in WW2 and Russia never getting to might feel like a slight. This would let Russia flex its might and enter the history books, while using diplomacy to back off any retaliatory threats from NATO (nuking Ukraine technically wouldn't let NATO do anything though).

Maybe I'm totally wrong, who knows. 🤷

bruh, if Russia decides to nuke Ukraine, their so called "brother people", half the mf kremlin will try to join NATO
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: chronovore on February 28, 2022, 08:35:43 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 28, 2022, 02:56:28 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMrwN13X0AEpBzH?format=jpg&name=small)

 :hmm

This is the most "all lives matter" response I can imagine.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: chronovore on February 28, 2022, 08:42:06 PM
Quote from: james on February 28, 2022, 08:28:02 PM
Quote from: Potato on February 28, 2022, 08:04:28 PM
Aren't these the same types of bombs Bush and Obama were dropping into caves in Afghanistan?

Yes but theyve never been used against a civilized country before

Those were "bunker buster" weapons which penetrate hardened targets, including cave systems.
Thermobaric are a different type of weapon, and are apparently forbidden by the Geneva Conventions. It is a type of fuel-air ordinance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okhtyrka_vacuum_bomb_attack#:~:text=The%20Geneva%20Conventions%20prohibited%20thermobaric,%E2%80%9Cnear%20the%20ignition%20point%E2%80%9D.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on February 28, 2022, 08:55:24 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/t3tuda/texan_fighting_alongside_the_russians_and_filming/

:dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on February 28, 2022, 09:08:05 PM
two historic convoys in such temporal proximity
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 28, 2022, 09:20:00 PM
Quote from: chronovore on February 28, 2022, 08:42:06 PM
Quote from: james on February 28, 2022, 08:28:02 PM
Quote from: Potato on February 28, 2022, 08:04:28 PM
Aren't these the same types of bombs Bush and Obama were dropping into caves in Afghanistan?

Yes but theyve never been used against a civilized country before

Those were "bunker buster" weapons which penetrate hardened targets, including cave systems.
Thermobaric are a different type of weapon, and are apparently forbidden by the Geneva Conventions. It is a type of fuel-air ordinance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okhtyrka_vacuum_bomb_attack#:~:text=The%20Geneva%20Conventions%20prohibited%20thermobaric,%E2%80%9Cnear%20the%20ignition%20point%E2%80%9D (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okhtyrka_vacuum_bomb_attack#:~:text=The%20Geneva%20Conventions%20prohibited%20thermobaric,%E2%80%9Cnear%20the%20ignition%20point%E2%80%9D).
According to this article, the US used them in Vietnam and in Afghanistan

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-01/ukraine-ambassador-to-us-says-russia-used-a-vacuum-bomb/100870638 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-01/ukraine-ambassador-to-us-says-russia-used-a-vacuum-bomb/100870638)


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These kinds of weapons have been around for a while: American forces used thermobaric weapons in Vietnam, and they were also used in Afghanistan to attack the mountainous Tora Bora region.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on February 28, 2022, 09:21:17 PM
 :american
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BrokenVerses on February 28, 2022, 11:29:40 PM
Russia will still probably win just by sheer weight of the men and material they are throwing into the fight but only the most delusional Russian shills would deny that the Putin's military has been exposed badly.

We've all seen how poorly trained (even outright confused) their soldiers look, the amateurish to non-existent tactics, the decrepit, decaying equipment, and everyone will know that they staggered to victory over a vastly weaker country via numbers and increasingly bloody use of indiscriminate firepower.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on February 28, 2022, 11:47:25 PM
Quote from: BrokenVerses on February 28, 2022, 11:29:40 PM
Russia will still probably win just by sheer weight of the men and material they are throwing into the fight but only the most delusional Russian shills would deny that the Putin's military has been exposed badly.

We've all seen how poorly trained (even outright confused) their soldiers look, the amateurish to non-existent tactics, the decrepit, decaying equipment, and everyone will know that they staggered to victory over a vastly weaker country via numbers and increasingly bloody use of indiscriminate firepower.

well what's a "win," really

when even if they claim every city they'll be dealing with rebel groups and guerilla warfare for the foreseeable future until they're gone
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 01, 2022, 12:50:05 AM
It would be a brave man to take on the role of puppet president. Can't see him lasting long before a stray bullet finds its way into his head.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 01, 2022, 01:30:00 AM
all presidents are puppets  :nintex
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 01, 2022, 05:18:37 AM
The violence is escalating with heavy bombing on city centers or as the Russians report the fascists are bombing their own cities
https://twitter.com/lentaruofficial/status/1498569737223159808 (https://twitter.com/lentaruofficial/status/1498569737223159808)

It will get very dark in the days ahead.
FSB/GRU is already arresting people in the towns they conquered based on 'lists' they carry.

Once Ukraine falls there will be prison camps and mass reprisals and executions. People seem to have forgotten that part of the leaked invasion plans.

Make no mistake, this war may 'bleed' Russia but it will be at the expense of Ukraine, to buy time for the allies to prepare their armies.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 01, 2022, 05:38:28 AM
Great analysis from the BBC
https://twitter.com/BBCSounds/status/1498411275734372358 (https://twitter.com/BBCSounds/status/1498411275734372358)

But that also means Ukraine is doomed because with all the sanctions it will be even more important to rapidly secure the food supply.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 01, 2022, 06:02:08 AM
Lavrov now demands the US to remove nuclear weapons from Europe in his UN speech. Calls nuclear weapons in Europe unacceptable. He also rants about Zelensky being a Nazi.

https://twitter.com/EJ_Burrows/status/1498616354659782657 (https://twitter.com/EJ_Burrows/status/1498616354659782657)
This shit is so wild it seems to have been written with the expectation of victory and then adjusted to current events.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 01, 2022, 07:10:32 AM
Belarus has joined the war
https://twitter.com/euronews/status/1498602693069312001 (https://twitter.com/euronews/status/1498602693069312001)

Zelensky and the speaker of the UA parliament just gave a speech to EU parliament with footage of bombed out cities in the background

In Warsaw Boris was confronted by a Ukrainian
https://twitter.com/g_gosden/status/1498623032910299144 (https://twitter.com/g_gosden/status/1498623032910299144)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on March 01, 2022, 07:57:02 AM
**Afghanistan**

The taliban are still finding more caches of weapons, military gear, and vehicles. Its like a fuckin Ubisoft game  :lol :lol

https://twitter.com/SpoilOfWar/status/1498309592719278080

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on March 01, 2022, 08:29:38 AM
Quote from: Nintex on March 01, 2022, 07:10:32 AM
https://twitter.com/g_gosden/status/1498623032910299144 (https://twitter.com/g_gosden/status/1498623032910299144)

Simon Gosden:

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deep woke, mask-wearer, bunny hugger, hard centrist, 💕 girly swots, 🕷🕷anti Brexit, mountain biker, bookshop owner, hard remainer, anti fascist. EU citizen.
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Occupation: Social Media Influencer

We've finally done it. We've finally reached peak twat.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 01, 2022, 09:06:40 AM
https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1498651687229493249 (https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1498651687229493249)

The Russians are planning to target the intelligence HQ and other government buildings
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on March 01, 2022, 10:01:23 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/01/china-rattled-by-calls-for-japan-to-host-us-nuclear-weapons

(https://i.imgur.com/ivitTOH.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 01, 2022, 10:01:24 AM
Kherson a city of 300k close to Crimea seems to have fallen to the Orcs
https://twitter.com/aldin_ww/status/1498672908939444267 (https://twitter.com/aldin_ww/status/1498672908939444267)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 01, 2022, 10:24:59 AM
No more TV for Kyiv
https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1498679843554217987 (https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1498679843554217987)

Lukashenka has shown the invasion map.
https://twitter.com/Den_2042/status/1498674777032114184 (https://twitter.com/Den_2042/status/1498674777032114184)
Notice that Moldova is next to be invaded.

https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1498673348183744518 (https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1498673348183744518)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 01, 2022, 11:59:00 AM
We're at the part that poorly trained tank crews fire at anything that moves

https://twitter.com/Skawtish/status/1498694966700347396 (https://twitter.com/Skawtish/status/1498694966700347396)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 01, 2022, 02:18:33 PM
https://twitter.com/halvorz/status/1498275248332066817
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 01, 2022, 02:32:14 PM
So on his quest to 'denazify' ukraine Putin bombed one of the most iconic holocaust memorials

https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1498705976777711622 (https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1498705976777711622)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 01, 2022, 02:40:25 PM
 :bow :bow :bow :bow :putin :bow2 :bow2 :bow2 :bow2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on March 01, 2022, 02:57:41 PM
When you think about it a Holocaust memorial is the perfect Nazi hiding spot. That or a synagogue.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 01, 2022, 03:03:20 PM
https://twitter.com/tacelpirt/status/1498650081746198536 (https://twitter.com/tacelpirt/status/1498650081746198536)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 01, 2022, 04:08:16 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCWillVernon/status/1498732062127370241 (https://twitter.com/BBCWillVernon/status/1498732062127370241)

Pretty sad the old people believe what's on TV. The young people flee.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on March 01, 2022, 05:29:49 PM
https://twitter.com/sbreakintl/status/1498619309618503680
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on March 01, 2022, 06:23:55 PM
wistfully imagining Putin declaring his intent to drop the bombs and so his inner circle whisk him away to a deep bunker where for the rest of his days he is fed a continuous stream of personalized state media about how the rest of the world is totally being pwned, but don't come out yet, oh no the world above is an irradiated wasteland but we still won

(yes I am aware this is the plot of s07e11 of South Park; the rest of us get to go to Casa Bonita)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2022, 06:25:19 PM
https://twitter.com/SouthAsiaIndex/status/1498607419387445249

 :jeb global liberation is happening :jeb
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 01, 2022, 06:50:22 PM
It was all theatrics.

The Russians would roll in, Kharkiv would side with them and the rebels would keep the UAF pinned in the DNR and LNR. Zelensky would flee Kyiv after the initial air and missile strikes(or be killed by mercenaries), paratroopers would take the airfields and the capital and Putin would announce his empire.

By the time the ground forces got there, they would basically just act as a policing unit or a show of force to intimidate. The whole thing would take 3 days.

They never counted on resistance or help from the west. However instead of changing plans they simply send in additional storm troopers (Kadyrovites) who also got mauled. The convoy probably doesn't know that Kyiv still hasn't been taken. All the POW's talk about exercises, having been forced to go or being welcomed as heroes.

On the flip side this invasion grinds on and is very 'cheap' this way. Because their forces are scattered they don't know about the heavy losses either. Plus it drains the strength of Ukraine.

Meanwhile state TV has enough footage of Nazi terrorists threatening the motherland
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 01, 2022, 07:15:41 PM
The FSB sold out the Kadyrovites
Important development if true

https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1498808782415093766 (https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1498808782415093766)

Ukraine also claims to have destroyed a large convoy
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: chronovore on March 01, 2022, 07:39:39 PM
Quote from: Uncle on March 01, 2022, 10:01:23 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/01/china-rattled-by-calls-for-japan-to-host-us-nuclear-weapons

(https://i.imgur.com/ivitTOH.png)

He's not in charge any longer.
I'm really happy he's gone. He's a fucking hawk.
This would be a ridiculously bad idea.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: chronovore on March 01, 2022, 07:42:01 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 01, 2022, 07:15:41 PM
The FSB sold out the Kadyrovites
Important development if true

https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1498808782415093766 (https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1498808782415093766)

Ukraine also claims to have destroyed a large convoy
Does this put assassination on the table for a country's top office. I've always been interested in the concept of stopping wars by chopping off the head of the snake. Seems like Putin, who appears to be the sole motivator of this whole war, should be a ripe target, even within his home regime.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2022, 08:59:31 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMzYfOuaMAAX_L2?format=jpg&name=small)

 :hmm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: chronovore on March 02, 2022, 12:06:21 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 01, 2022, 08:59:31 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMzYfOuaMAAX_L2?format=jpg&name=small)

 :hmm

Well, when the entire world is on the side of the defenders, and the aggressor is hated, you can always turn to the aggressor's own channels to support them for the "other side."

This also has rekindled my utter hatred for Trump's disingenuous spouting of how there'd be no war in UKR if he'd been at the helm. Twitler could barely keep his flabby, orange-tinged lips off of Putin's bathing suit area. There's no way he would have preached for anything other than tolerance, and more likely would've been cheerleading the assault.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on March 02, 2022, 03:13:29 AM
There have been a couple of AN-124 (now the largest plane since the only AN-225 ever built got destroyed  :( ) doing round trips daily between Istres (French AFB near Marseille in Southern France) and Constanta in Romania (near the borders with Ukraine and Moldova).

That's a shitload of stuff getting delivered.

(https://abload.de/img/an124o6j4x.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 03:54:39 AM
According to Dutch writer Pieter Waterdrinker who just left St. Petersburg there is talk of martial law being announced soon in Russia to crush the anti-war movement.

Expats are currently fleeing any way they can.

Already 660k refugees have left Ukraine. Mostly women and children.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 05:06:46 AM
The Russians are starting to deliver ultimatums.
This city of ~90k is threatened with 'complete destruction' unless they surrender. The mayor wants to fight but won't do it without public support.

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1498945849258397696 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1498945849258397696)

The Russians walked in holding live hand grenades to deliver the ultimatum
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1498955188811583492 (https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1498955188811583492)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGVZHLOV60E
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 02, 2022, 07:02:56 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/26/world/europe/russia-putin-matteo-salvini-marine-le-pen.html

Putin’s Aggression Leaves His Right-Wing Fan Club Squirming
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on March 02, 2022, 08:30:26 AM
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1498799589100605444
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 09:21:48 AM
Even these two agree :titus

https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1499001636651474945 (https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1499001636651474945)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 10:18:45 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q9y0pnysWA

Ukraine says they have destroyed the supplies of the Kyiv convoy.

The German Bundeswehr reservists (~30k) want to join the foreign legion. The promised weapons including a 1000 anti-tank missiles have arrived.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 02, 2022, 10:57:40 AM
Why couldnt the world have unified this way when Bush launched his illegal invasion of another country? Curious.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 11:45:55 AM
https://twitter.com/annmarie/status/1499009866773450756 (https://twitter.com/annmarie/status/1499009866773450756)

Buy the dip

Russian energy companies (Rosneft et all) down 95% in London.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on March 02, 2022, 11:58:01 AM
https://twitter.com/FedorovMykhailo/status/1498945221337534469

 :lol :lol


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 12:06:53 PM
It's amusing how Ukraine is also beating Russia in the cyber war. All the Russian bots sound like whiny bitches complaining about how palestine is ignored and you are not allowed to film POW's because of the Gevena conventions.

Stalker 2 devs also called on gamers to rise up.
Russia has 14 million steam users.
Ban them and the Kremlin is ours.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 12:22:15 PM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1499063032575574024 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1499063032575574024)

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1499066790088949760 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1499066790088949760)

 :)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on March 02, 2022, 12:30:01 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 03:54:39 AM
According to Dutch writer Pieter Waterdrinker who just left St. Petersburg there is talk of martial law being announced soon in Russia to crush the anti-war movement.

I guess arresting kids wasn't enough then.

https://twitter.com/novaya_gazeta/status/1498784549639229444
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 12:47:37 PM
The UN vote is interesting

https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1499075262276935684 (https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1499075262276935684)

The Mighty Russian Empire:
- Russia
- Belarus
- Eritrea
- Syria
- North Korea
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on March 02, 2022, 12:48:55 PM
Russian airlines must be LOVING this  :lol


(https://abload.de/img/scenicroutejujjg.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 02, 2022, 01:08:06 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 11:45:55 AM
https://twitter.com/annmarie/status/1499009866773450756 (https://twitter.com/annmarie/status/1499009866773450756)

Buy the dip

Russian energy companies (Rosneft et all) down 95% in London.

If everyone donates $30 to the James Fund, I believe we can acquire a controlling interest in the bank.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 01:22:59 PM
Quote from: james on March 02, 2022, 01:08:06 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 11:45:55 AM
https://twitter.com/annmarie/status/1499009866773450756 (https://twitter.com/annmarie/status/1499009866773450756)

Buy the dip

Russian energy companies (Rosneft et all) down 95% in London.

If everyone donates $30 to the James Fund, I believe we can acquire a controlling interest in the bank.
DM the link

Once we own it we can just rebrand it
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 02, 2022, 01:36:10 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 01:22:59 PM
Quote from: james on March 02, 2022, 01:08:06 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 11:45:55 AM
https://twitter.com/annmarie/status/1499009866773450756 (https://twitter.com/annmarie/status/1499009866773450756)

Buy the dip

Russian energy companies (Rosneft et all) down 95% in London.

If everyone donates $30 to the James Fund, I believe we can acquire a controlling interest in the bank.
DM the link

Once we own it we can just rebrand it

Sberbank is a stupid name. Looks like Sperm Bank

We should have a gaming related name. Big untapped market for a bank that caters to gamers.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on March 02, 2022, 02:22:11 PM
at what point can Google just buy all of Russia and inevitably shut it down like they do every other ailing service
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 02:32:25 PM
You have to wonder why Putin gave up a winning hand. In the most likely scenario Ukraine would've been stuck in the EU decision making process forever like Turkey. Most countries were already slashing foreign aid and the EU didn't lift a finger to resolve the Crimea or Donbass situation. The stalemate would've gone his way eventually in more polarized elections.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BrokenVerses on March 02, 2022, 02:33:58 PM
Beware of an old man in a hurry.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on March 02, 2022, 03:04:19 PM
Quote from: Raist on March 02, 2022, 12:30:01 PM
I guess arresting kids wasn't enough then.

https://twitter.com/novaya_gazeta/status/1498784549639229444


In Mother Russia, there is no place for ageism.

You can be 7 or 77, if you protest the war you all go to jail!

https://twitter.com/AlexKokcharov/status/1499080826599919633
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 03:05:39 PM
A 'missing' Romanian Mig and the rescue helicopter that went to investigate might've just been shot down.

Both the plane and chopper have been found, no survivors.
Cause of crash yet unknown.

Russian missile hit a Bangladeshi ship
https://twitter.com/ua_industrial/status/1499110433936003072 (https://twitter.com/ua_industrial/status/1499110433936003072)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 02, 2022, 03:18:25 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 02:32:25 PM
You have to wonder why Putin gave up a winning hand. In the most likely scenario Ukraine would've been stuck in the EU decision making process forever like Turkey. Most countries were already slashing foreign aid and the EU didn't lift a finger to resolve the Crimea or Donbass situation. The stalemate would've gone his way eventually in more polarized elections.

Had he done a little invasion on the east side, like Crimea and Georgia no one would have done shit.

Going after Kiev was what got the world angry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 03:26:23 PM
Yep, that was his biggest mistake.

Footage of the Mig or the rescue chopper
https://twitter.com/AlexandruC4/status/1499111650720428054 (https://twitter.com/AlexandruC4/status/1499111650720428054)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 03:37:08 PM
More bad news, the Russians have taken the first big city Kherson and have set out to win the hearts and minds start the purges
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 02, 2022, 03:40:26 PM
If I was Putin I would just start invading weak countries left and right. Hes got nothing to lose. Moldova, Finland, fuck take Iraq.

Imagine Biden trying to justify sending troops to Iraq. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 03:44:06 PM
https://twitter.com/ourworldwar/status/1498740921415909378 (https://twitter.com/ourworldwar/status/1498740921415909378)

:salute
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on March 02, 2022, 03:56:09 PM
new patch just dropped

https://twitter.com/EASPORTSFIFA/status/1499057030857777154
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 02, 2022, 04:08:36 PM
They should keep the russians in the game but give them all the lowest rating

We're about two days away from Netflix removing movies that show Russians in a positive light
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on March 02, 2022, 04:15:18 PM
Quote from: james on March 02, 2022, 04:08:36 PM
They should keep the russians in the game but give them all the lowest rating

We're about two days away from Netflix removing movies that show Russians in a positive light

I read this as Nintex :stahp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 02, 2022, 04:23:48 PM
 :drudge :drudge :drudge

Doodle is down. Is Russia attacking this American institution of productivity?

Edit: Reddit down too  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 04:30:17 PM
I'm against media censorship(especially fiction, art and music)
A good movie is a good movie even if Pol Pot directed it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on March 02, 2022, 04:42:29 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 03:44:06 PM
https://twitter.com/ourworldwar/status/1498740921415909378 (https://twitter.com/ourworldwar/status/1498740921415909378)

:salute

Just like Calladoody on Xbox Live.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on March 02, 2022, 05:06:35 PM
Now watching RT news just because it got cancelled

Cancel culture gone too far

Stop cancelling things

Cancelled!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on March 02, 2022, 05:15:02 PM
If russia switched to crypto they would have been able to weather the storm

Wait no, all the payment intermediaries are shutting down, mining equipment is embargoed, and the big internet pipe is probably about to get cut

Least you can beat a guy to death with a solid gold bar

 :biden
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 05:18:17 PM
It's kind of amazing but also scary how quickly the internet autisty's are digitally rounding up the Russians and their assets with the same zeal as combing through Covid statistics.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 02, 2022, 05:20:42 PM
https://twitter.com/Forbes/status/1499128423947636739


The proletariat are finally coming together and seizing things

 :juche :juche :juche
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 05:23:05 PM
https://twitter.com/jadedcreative/status/1499146902574665728 (https://twitter.com/jadedcreative/status/1499146902574665728)

First bounty on Putin's head, $1 million
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 02, 2022, 05:29:48 PM
Quote from: james on March 02, 2022, 03:40:26 PM
If I was Putin I would just start invading weak countries left and right. Hes got nothing to lose. Moldova, Finland, fuck take Iraq.

Imagine Biden trying to justify sending troops to Iraq. 

The Russians tried that already.

Was about as effective as Napoleon or Hitler invading Russia.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 05:36:49 PM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1499143784109682689 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1499143784109682689)

Ukrainian intelligence also picked up what Nintex learned :)
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1499144393424523266 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1499144393424523266)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 02, 2022, 05:41:05 PM
Quote from: james on March 02, 2022, 05:20:42 PM
https://twitter.com/Forbes/status/1499128423947636739 (https://twitter.com/Forbes/status/1499128423947636739)


The proletariat are finally coming together and seizing things

 :juche :juche :juche
Usmanov looks exactly like what a generic "Russian billionaire" is supposed to look like


(https://static.dw.com/image/38858266_401.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 02, 2022, 05:57:39 PM
If I was a billionaire id pay for some hair implants
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 06:35:38 PM
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1499156699147644933 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1499156699147644933)

China must be very nervous that their mighty and powerful Russian ally has been reduced to North Korea in a week. And up until a week ago Europe liked Russia more than China.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on March 02, 2022, 06:45:14 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 05:23:05 PM
https://twitter.com/jadedcreative/status/1499146902574665728 (https://twitter.com/jadedcreative/status/1499146902574665728)

First bounty on Putin's head, $1 million

Polonium teabags heading his way.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Probably still taste better than the Sakura tea in a Tokyo Treat box
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 06:46:46 PM
https://twitter.com/janedvidek/status/1498723689264816128 (https://twitter.com/janedvidek/status/1498723689264816128)

https://twitter.com/janedvidek/status/1498738800520011776 (https://twitter.com/janedvidek/status/1498738800520011776)

A good explanation on how fucked Russia is with something as common as air travel.

I hope the Russians enjoy shopping in Venezuela but at this stage they can't even visit their empire.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on March 02, 2022, 06:49:43 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 05:36:49 PM
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1499144393424523266

isn't it kind of hard to impose martial law when all your martials are tied up in conquering another sovereign nation

who is gonna do it, the normal cops?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 07:14:04 PM
https://twitter.com/RashaAlAqeedi/status/1499147973384622083 (https://twitter.com/RashaAlAqeedi/status/1499147973384622083)
 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 02, 2022, 07:51:26 PM
Quote from: james on March 02, 2022, 05:57:39 PM
If I was a billionaire id pay for some hair implants
Nah, I'd just pay some Ukrainian slutskaya to rub both my bald heads while not giving any fucks...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: chronovore on March 02, 2022, 08:12:01 PM
Quote from: james on March 02, 2022, 10:57:40 AM
Why couldnt the world have unified this way when Bush launched his illegal invasion of another country? Curious.
The first Bush and the first invasion of Iraq to "restore the rightful monarchy of Kuwait" after we told them we wouldn't interfere in Middle East politics because the maps are really just artifacts of British imperialism?

Or the second Bush, and the second invasion of Iraq, where we feigned belief in their ability to produce nuclear weapons AND get those weapons to the USA?

Yeah, either way, that's definitely a question we need to ask. Even so, neither of those wars were enacted on as flimsy a premise as Putin's Big Adventure, and the USA did not threaten to nuke the rest of the world when concerns and protests were levied against it. So, however, shaky this high ground is, the USA is arguably still standing on it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on March 02, 2022, 08:20:01 PM
middle east was always oil rich and a lot of the world has seen them as assholes, for good or ill, so there's a little of the "yeah you know what fuck those guys" energy that russia is now getting

they didn't have a humble zelensky to sell their plea for help against an oppressor
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on March 02, 2022, 08:42:50 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/Alec_Mazo/status/1499180848767135745

https://mobile.twitter.com/Kozzzaaaaaa/status/1499186255216750597
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on March 02, 2022, 08:49:17 PM
god dammit I saw that interview and the whole time I was thinking, uh isn't this giving the location away?

they said "we were escorted to an underground bunker" but then in the background you see probably identifiable columns and a window with light coming from outside

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkQW8Q8rcEg
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: OnlyRegret on March 02, 2022, 09:37:15 PM
the ruskies just straight up gunning for him now
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on March 02, 2022, 10:52:12 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/WFTZn5T.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 02, 2022, 11:08:51 PM
CNN reporting from a super secret location

*sounds of metro in backround, driver announces next stop *
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 02, 2022, 11:55:25 PM
Fucking CNN
 :derp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 03, 2022, 05:00:44 AM
https://twitter.com/DmitryOpines/status/1499157917399977987 (https://twitter.com/DmitryOpines/status/1499157917399977987)

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1499273571645984769 (https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1499273571645984769)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 03, 2022, 05:48:03 AM
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1499211279889752069 (https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1499211279889752069)

Wonder if Oracle follows suit or continues to support the orcs
https://twitter.com/ChrstnKlein/status/1499168464526843906 (https://twitter.com/ChrstnKlein/status/1499168464526843906)


Our parliament just voted on a motion to use the seized, to be seized and frozen Russian assets for a war reparations fund.


Ikea and Volkswagen leave Russia. No more long tables

Russia has again demanded security guarantees from Sweden and Finland who plan to apply for NATO membership.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 03, 2022, 07:35:01 AM
They really want to be the new North Korea
https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1499316331866472448 (https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1499316331866472448)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: jorma on March 03, 2022, 07:36:00 AM
Only 41% of Swedes support NATO membership, and that's with peak russki aggression. The numbers will go down whenever the US decides to bomb something again.  :trumps

I think a membership is more likely today compared to a month ago, but "planning to apply for membership" sounds like something someone just made up, probably for twitter clout.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on March 03, 2022, 07:55:12 AM
Quote from: jorma on March 03, 2022, 07:36:00 AM
Only 41% of Swedes support NATO membership, and that's with peak russki aggression.

Let me tell you something, Russian aggression hasn't even begun to peak. And when it does peak, you'll know. Because they're gonna peak so hard that everybody in Europe is gonna feel it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on March 03, 2022, 07:55:32 AM
We need to get rid of all 65+ boomers from politics and positions of power.

Can you imagine if the world was run by Zelenskys?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 03, 2022, 08:06:11 AM
Quote from: Transhuman on March 03, 2022, 07:55:12 AM
Quote from: jorma on March 03, 2022, 07:36:00 AM
Only 41% of Swedes support NATO membership, and that's with peak russki aggression.

Let me tell you something, Russian aggression hasn't even begun to peak. And when it does peak, you'll know. Because they're gonna peak so hard that everybody in Europe is gonna feel it.
I think so as well, plenty of non-NATO states to bomb and plenty of zealots to follow Putin on his doomsday path.

NATO has made it clear it won't send troops outside NATO so that puts Moldova, Georgia, Finland and Sweden at risk. They could just bomb some military, infrastructure and communications targets in all those countries.

"Finland send weapons to Ukraine so we bombed their airfield to deny this capability as part of our special military operation."
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on March 03, 2022, 08:08:57 AM
Quote from: Nintex on March 03, 2022, 08:06:11 AM
"Finland send weapons to Ukraine so we bombed their airfield to deny this capability as part of our special military operation."

He'll probably go after the most cucked countries first.

Pray for Sweden.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on March 03, 2022, 08:22:49 AM
And the Swedes and Finn will have to surrender, because of the implication.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 03, 2022, 08:30:58 AM
Estonian freighter blown up.

More rumors about martial law
https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/1499368360903073798 (https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/1499368360903073798)

First top Russian general killed in the war
https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1499372800301309959 (https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1499372800301309959)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 03, 2022, 09:22:45 AM
https://twitter.com/Financialjuice1/status/1499385832846897153 (https://twitter.com/Financialjuice1/status/1499385832846897153)

https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/1499384812209061888 (https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/1499384812209061888)

Can't we use reverse psychology on Putin.
Tell him he defeated the Nazi's, invite him to France for an award and then arrest his senile ass?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 03, 2022, 09:45:48 AM
Quote from: Nintex on March 03, 2022, 05:00:44 AM
https://twitter.com/DmitryOpines/status/1499157917399977987 (https://twitter.com/DmitryOpines/status/1499157917399977987)

The James foundation has come to a different conclusion.

Russia can still trade with China, India, Pakistan, all of Africa etc. Thats literally 4 billion people.

They dont need currency, they have oil. Oil that is worth more and more every day. Even if they have to sell it at a 20% discount, thats still 80 a barrel.

Do you think China gives a shit about Ukraine? They love oil and will take all they can get. Same with India.

It wont take long before an official russian oil laundering line is put in place.

Yeah, things will suck on the consumer side (ie no iPhones) but guess what, China has a ton of Android phone companies.

The planes? There will be disruption but guess what, Russia has 3 of their own plane companies.

The whole little soviet union thing which meant absolutely everything they needed was built in house prepared them for this.

As long as China is open for business, and they will continue to be because they want Taiwan, Russia will be fine.

Now, if the US got sanctioned by China? THAT would be pandemonium. Aside from food, everything we buy is from China. We would nuke ourselves.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 03, 2022, 10:10:57 AM
https://twitter.com/John_Hudson/status/1499394410534027264 (https://twitter.com/John_Hudson/status/1499394410534027264)

Good read on why RU paratroopers got routed
https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1499391683149983751 (https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1499391683149983751)

These are basically the shock troops to scare people
https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1499387772213334017 (https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1499387772213334017)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on March 03, 2022, 10:14:14 AM
(https://abload.de/img/1645966879437xfj46.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 03, 2022, 10:22:56 AM
 :walkaway
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 03, 2022, 10:39:40 AM
Bottom right  :whew :whew :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 03, 2022, 10:42:46 AM
The sanctions are hardly the issue James. It's the anti-putin sentiment in Europe. For example the Swift ban won't go into effect until March 12. The tories are having trouble to build their case to sanction the oligarchs.

But IKEA pulling out, Germany building a new army and yachts being seized are very visible and scary for investors. Russia should've kept their markets open and have taken the hit. By closing the effects aren't felt in Europe until the energy bills are due at the end of this month. Closing the markets was the capitulation of Russia in the economic war.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 03, 2022, 10:45:43 AM
top left tbh  :gopnik
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on March 03, 2022, 10:47:17 AM
I hope this is true

https://twitter.com/politicsparty69/status/1498588674753441793
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on March 03, 2022, 10:48:27 AM
Quote from: james on March 03, 2022, 10:39:40 AM
Bottom right  :whew :whew :whew

top right is AOC
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on March 03, 2022, 10:52:19 AM
Quote from: Uncle on March 03, 2022, 10:47:17 AM
I hope this is true

Well, if you can't trust Politics Party 69, who can you trust?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/NINTCHDBPICT000710861133.jpg)
(https://i2-prod.dailystar.co.uk/incoming/article19285158.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_ukraine-female-soldiers-sexy-pictures-744157)
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/83/cc/e4/83cce4a98b88e7564e5cfd21d6186259.jpg)
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 03, 2022, 10:57:23 AM
Russian command has already started to fire troops retroactively
https://twitter.com/mdmitri91/status/1499355164314120195 (https://twitter.com/mdmitri91/status/1499355164314120195)

Maybe this whole martial law thing is a coup attempt by the army?

Russians try to buy what they can before IKEA closes
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1499387026440925186 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1499387026440925186)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on March 03, 2022, 11:17:50 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/DtyVjnn.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 03, 2022, 11:23:03 AM
They just dropped a bomb in a crowded residential area in broad daylight
https://twitter.com/heytherehaley/status/1499375714692444165 (https://twitter.com/heytherehaley/status/1499375714692444165)

Why  :doge

Did Putin arm the Chechens with cluster bombs? It doesn't make any sense.

Russian planes that manage to land somewhere are being seized
https://twitter.com/Andrew__Roth/status/1499419987047587840 (https://twitter.com/Andrew__Roth/status/1499419987047587840)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on March 03, 2022, 11:55:32 AM
(https://www.advocate.com/sites/default/files/2013/PARATROOPERS_RUSSIAX633_0.jpg)

ngl, I think their outfit looks more at home at gay pride than on a battlefield
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 03, 2022, 12:09:28 PM
I bet the military parade planners are panicking right now.
Sure they can learn some "conscripts" to march down the square but how to replace the vehicles?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 03, 2022, 12:11:42 PM
Oops
https://twitter.com/DrAlakbarov/status/1499423932910383105 (https://twitter.com/DrAlakbarov/status/1499423932910383105)

https://twitter.com/cgtnafrica/status/1499430359867482116 (https://twitter.com/cgtnafrica/status/1499430359867482116)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on March 03, 2022, 12:20:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbmZrzN3WFE
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 03, 2022, 12:28:34 PM
https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1499434835357708298 (https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1499434835357708298)

If I was in Moscow I would head for a bomb shelter right now.

According to this guy martial law means the mobilization of 20 million men
https://twitter.com/Akylai_Karim/status/1499417590044712963 (https://twitter.com/Akylai_Karim/status/1499417590044712963)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 03, 2022, 12:55:31 PM
https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1499428529964036103

Human shields? The neo-Nazis who run Ukraine are disgusting.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 03, 2022, 12:56:20 PM
https://twitter.com/rafsanchez/status/1499406863250644993
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on March 03, 2022, 01:00:46 PM
Who would have thought last year that Putin's rhetoric would turn to the 'extremely unhinged red rose twitter user' genre :titus

"I'm fighting nazi's on twitter mum, I'll be down for my tendies soon" :gamergate
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 03, 2022, 01:02:13 PM
https://twitter.com/QuarantinedCoof/status/1498754361341714442
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on March 03, 2022, 01:03:48 PM
Ukraine should launch a counter striker on Russia's high heels factories to really show Putin up :snob
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 03, 2022, 01:07:52 PM
Putin: everything is going to plan

https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1499439513600417806 (https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1499439513600417806)

$64 million in equipment
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on March 03, 2022, 01:08:43 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 03, 2022, 12:56:20 PM
https://twitter.com/rafsanchez/status/1499406863250644993

Subtitles help, but the tv anchor's phone number would be much better.

 :heartbeat
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 03, 2022, 01:15:01 PM
https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1499446675211005961 (https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1499446675211005961)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on March 03, 2022, 01:26:54 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 03, 2022, 12:56:20 PM
https://twitter.com/rafsanchez/status/1499406863250644993

james, you should have told us you were going to be interviewed
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on March 03, 2022, 01:27:54 PM
THE JAMES FUND DOESN'T HAVE ANY LIQUIDITY PROBLEMS

BUY THE DIP
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on March 03, 2022, 01:37:44 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 03, 2022, 01:02:13 PM
https://twitter.com/QuarantinedCoof/status/1498754361341714442

 :rollsafe
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on March 03, 2022, 01:44:58 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on March 03, 2022, 01:27:54 PM
THE JAMES FUND DOESN'T HAVE ANY LIQUIDITY PROBLEMS

BUY THE DIP

Dip deez nuts in your mouth instead haha goteem
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 03, 2022, 01:49:55 PM
https://twitter.com/Ahmadinejad1956/status/1499451665803579402 (https://twitter.com/Ahmadinejad1956/status/1499451665803579402)
:pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on March 03, 2022, 02:21:17 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/bioDjr9.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 03, 2022, 04:00:58 PM
https://twitter.com/SaadAbedine/status/1499488758852378629 (https://twitter.com/SaadAbedine/status/1499488758852378629)

We really need to bomb the Russian clown army and the back-up clown army
https://twitter.com/haynesdeborah/status/1499490803101667341 (https://twitter.com/haynesdeborah/status/1499490803101667341)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on March 03, 2022, 04:27:27 PM
Benji's latest hot take

https://mobile.twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/1499446064772005893
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 03, 2022, 04:39:45 PM
You put the ones that can't escape in chains, you load them on trains to Siberia/North Korea/China/Belarus. Before you know it you have turned a 44 million hostile nation into a peaceful pile of rubble of 20 million people.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on March 03, 2022, 05:17:16 PM
Benji annihilated (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60582327?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=62212def980bea49f4b7af52%26Russian%20cats%20banned%20from%20competitions%262022-03-03T21%3A22%3A37.162Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:a51ffb8f-9497-4f5e-a395-c775cc6274d0&pinned_post_asset_id=62212def980bea49f4b7af52&pinned_post_type=share)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 03, 2022, 05:17:52 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1499424790146428931 (https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1499424790146428931)

:fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 03, 2022, 05:32:54 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 03, 2022, 10:42:46 AM
The sanctions are hardly the issue James. It's the anti-putin sentiment in Europe. For example the Swift ban won't go into effect until March 12. The tories are having trouble to build their case to sanction the oligarchs.

But IKEA pulling out, Germany building a new army and yachts being seized are very visible and scary for investors. Russia should've kept their markets open and have taken the hit. By closing the effects aren't felt in Europe until the energy bills are due at the end of this month. Closing the markets was the capitulation of Russia in the economic war.

Im referring to the talk about how the sanctions will cause the average people to revolt.

Thats BS. That didnt work with Cuba. It didnt work with North Korea. It didnt work with Venezuela.

It never works. Targeting the Oligarchs? That MIGHT work. But they need to retaliate with a lethal strike. Putin is KGB, he has and will kill his enemies. If they go for the king, they best not miss.

And if they dont? They could go on for years.

Venezuela fell apart completely. They stopped selling subway tickets because the paper for the tickets was too expensive. The currency was worth nothing. There were some protests, they got shut down, and now things continue to roll like usual, except with oil going up, theyre doing better. You never read about Venezuela in the news anymore because the collapse didnt fully happen.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 03, 2022, 06:22:22 PM
Quote from: Pissy F Benny on March 03, 2022, 01:00:46 PM
Who would have thought last year that Putin's rhetoric would turn to the 'extremely unhinged red rose twitter user' genre :titus

"I'm fighting nazi's on twitter mum, I'll be down for my tendies soon" :gamergate
It's like he read the crazy shit the Russian bots were posting to twitter and started to believe them...

Fucking Neo-Nazis? I am sure there are a few of them in Ukraine, but when you are meeting this much staunch resistance, you're not just fighting the few hundred nazis in the country.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 03, 2022, 06:35:51 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 03, 2022, 04:39:45 PM
You put the ones that can't escape in chains, you load them on trains to Siberia/North Korea/China/Belarus. Before you know it you have turned a 44 million hostile nation into a peaceful pile of rubble of 20 million people.
Wasn't the way that the Donbas region became predominantly Russian speaking was that all the Ukrainians starved and the region was resettled by Russians?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 03, 2022, 06:45:05 PM
https://twitter.com/RF_OSCE/status/1499414319531970564
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 03, 2022, 06:45:26 PM
Stalin basically starved them to death. It was called the Holomodor.

So this is the plan. To quickly form a collection of bullshit Republics so it is no longer a country.
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1499521440646930441 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1499521440646930441)

Other places can just be a radiated wasteland
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1499531172493373445 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1499531172493373445)

We have no choice but to declare war on these orcs if their state doesn't collapse over the weekend
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 03, 2022, 06:48:29 PM
Some Ukrainians have acquired a tank:
https://twitter.com/NotWoofers/status/1499054072615288840
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 03, 2022, 06:56:32 PM
The year is 2022 you can watch a live tank battle at a nuclear power plant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJjNBNGwvNU
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 03, 2022, 07:03:27 PM
Nintex maybe the covid will stop the radiation from entering your lungs
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 03, 2022, 07:08:39 PM
US intelligence Marco Rubio knows about it

https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1499533055794499586 (https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1499533055794499586)

These boys think they are on exercises and don't have working radio's
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 03, 2022, 07:10:39 PM
Who was talking about trying to get grand pianos into Ukraine earlier?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-04/ukrainian-woman-plays-we-are-the-champions-at-polish-border/100880988 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-04/ukrainian-woman-plays-we-are-the-champions-at-polish-border/100880988)

Quote
Ukrainians fleeing the Russian invasion have found a moment of solace at the Polish border, with a fellow asylum seeker joining famed conflict zone "Piano Man" Davide Martello for a rendition of We Are the Champions.

The Ukrainian woman joined Martello, sitting down to play the hit song by British rock band Queen.

The impromptu performance came a week after the invasion began and as a second round of ceasefire talks between Ukraine and Russia ended without an agreement.

The two sides did discuss humanitarian corridors and agreed to speak again.

After her performance, the woman — speaking a few words in English and making gestures — suggested she had crossed from Ukraine and had not slept for days.

Martello became known as the Piano Man of Istanbul's Taksim Square when he took up residence with a baby grand piano where Turkish anti-government protesters and police clashed in 2013.   
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 03, 2022, 07:24:59 PM
https://twitter.com/AlexandruC4/status/1499540502206689288 (https://twitter.com/AlexandruC4/status/1499540502206689288)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 03, 2022, 07:30:28 PM
They hit one of the turbines
https://twitter.com/precupmirceaz/status/1499542333381128206 (https://twitter.com/precupmirceaz/status/1499542333381128206)

https://twitter.com/AlexandruC4/status/1499542287034069000 (https://twitter.com/AlexandruC4/status/1499542287034069000)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 03, 2022, 07:41:18 PM
When do we start to worry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 03, 2022, 07:43:21 PM
https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1499543863974838279
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 03, 2022, 07:44:06 PM
https://twitter.com/DmytroKuleba/status/1499543775240196099 (https://twitter.com/DmytroKuleba/status/1499543775240196099)

Europe will be without power yes. But the wind blows east.
Millions of Russians will die if this thing goes kaput
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 03, 2022, 07:49:09 PM
This is Putins plan to get France to shut down nuclear power and buy oil
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 03, 2022, 07:50:02 PM
https://twitter.com/AlexandruC4/status/1499544941437104130 (https://twitter.com/AlexandruC4/status/1499544941437104130)

https://twitter.com/AlexandruC4/status/1499546302786510853 (https://twitter.com/AlexandruC4/status/1499546302786510853)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 03, 2022, 08:00:10 PM
Go to bed Nintex, you will be more comfortable if youre sleeping when the times comes
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 03, 2022, 08:05:36 PM
I'm already in bed

Anyway the fire fighters need to put out the fire within 2 hours or so (if the damage isn't substantial).

https://twitter.com/Financialjuice1/status/1499551069961179136 (https://twitter.com/Financialjuice1/status/1499551069961179136)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 03, 2022, 08:06:13 PM
Quote from: james on March 03, 2022, 07:49:09 PM
This is Putins plan to get France to shut down nuclear power and buy oil

Theyve been planning this all along

https://twitter.com/JonAskonas/status/1499540334384193541
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 03, 2022, 08:16:28 PM
https://twitter.com/iaeaorg/status/1499552874719850549 (https://twitter.com/iaeaorg/status/1499552874719850549)

The whole world knows now
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 03, 2022, 08:23:57 PM
https://twitter.com/AlexandruC4/status/1499555480041140226 (https://twitter.com/AlexandruC4/status/1499555480041140226)

Thank god

Fucking clown orc army

Come on Jack!
https://twitter.com/AlexandruC4/status/1499557551972753408 (https://twitter.com/AlexandruC4/status/1499557551972753408)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 03, 2022, 08:45:09 PM
Biden will put the fire to sleep
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 03, 2022, 09:17:57 PM
False alarm everyone

https://mobile.twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1499566442609614850
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 03, 2022, 11:18:24 PM
Video of Russians speaking about the war

Theyve gone full MAGA

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/t63rgc/ordinary_russians_were_asked_how_do_they_feel/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: OnlyRegret on March 03, 2022, 11:45:34 PM
Loving how we've stepped past canceling russia to straight up trying to delete russia, like with that canceling russian cat breeds or something  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on March 04, 2022, 02:52:02 AM
Quote from: Nintex on March 03, 2022, 06:56:32 PM
The year is 2022 you can watch a live tank battle at a nuclear power plant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJjNBNGwvNU

When GSC Gameworld can get back to work, they should make this the intro to STALKER 2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 04, 2022, 03:41:06 AM
Another day in gods paradise of anime betrayals
https://twitter.com/IsraelRadar_com/status/1499659268659761155 (https://twitter.com/IsraelRadar_com/status/1499659268659761155)

https://twitter.com/i_army_org/status/1499657553734733825 (https://twitter.com/i_army_org/status/1499657553734733825)

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1499599650546151424 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1499599650546151424)

https://twitter.com/KamVTV/status/1499576867552219137 (https://twitter.com/KamVTV/status/1499576867552219137)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 04, 2022, 04:19:33 AM
German opposition leader no longer rules out a NATO intervention

https://twitter.com/wierdduk/status/1499675414641491968 (https://twitter.com/wierdduk/status/1499675414641491968)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on March 04, 2022, 04:32:29 AM
(https://abload.de/img/fm9ntwlxsaayy5-onj1n.jpeg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 04, 2022, 04:45:57 AM
https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1499626693270593537 (https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1499626693270593537)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 04, 2022, 04:52:03 AM
Quote
The core task for “geopolitical Europe” is straightforward. We must use our newfound sense of purpose first to ensure a free Ukraine, and then to re-establish peace and security across our continent.
:salute

https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/geopolitical-europe-responds-to-russias-war-by-josep-borrell-2022-03 (https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/geopolitical-europe-responds-to-russias-war-by-josep-borrell-2022-03)

Putin will get a no-fly zone from Lisbon to Vladivostok
https://twitter.com/HenryJFoy/status/1499679745012871171 (https://twitter.com/HenryJFoy/status/1499679745012871171)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 04, 2022, 06:43:24 AM
When an entire economy goes HODL
https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1499661587787153409 (https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1499661587787153409)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on March 04, 2022, 06:45:47 AM
They're using the "LA LA LA, I can't hear you" strategy. Bold.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on March 04, 2022, 07:46:09 AM
https://twitter.com/romero/status/1499172470330437633
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on March 04, 2022, 07:55:10 AM
:drudge  If you only watch 1 news clip this week, please make it this one, and please watch until the end  :drudge

https://twitter.com/skbozphd/status/1499298691156705282

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 04, 2022, 08:14:45 AM
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1499721875429154819 (https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1499721875429154819)

Except Boris a liar so this was probably the cue
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on March 04, 2022, 09:30:26 AM
Quote
Sainsbury's renames 'Chicken Kiev' to 'Chicken Kyiv' in solidarity with Ukraine

Russian Standard vodka will also be withdrawn from the retailer's stores

Sainsbury’s is renaming Chicken Kievs to match the Ukrainian spelling of the country’s capital while JD Sports has become the latest British retailer to pull out of Russia after it launched the war in Ukraine.

The supermarket chain said it would start rolling out new packaging in the coming weeks using Chicken Kyiv, rather than the Russian spelling Kiev.

It will also stop selling all products that are sourced purely from Russia, although it only sells two Russian products.

Sainsbury’s shoppers will no longer be able to buy Russian Standard vodka and Karpayskiye black sunflower seeds when the products are removed from shelves.

https://www.gbnews.uk/news/sainsburys-renames-chicken-kiev-to-chicken-kyiv-in-solidarity-with-ukraine/240270
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 04, 2022, 09:50:33 AM
https://twitter.com/B_Right/status/1499715667804803082 (https://twitter.com/B_Right/status/1499715667804803082)

They also took the oil

Maybe not launch failing military missions from countries that have nothing :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 04, 2022, 10:05:42 AM
https://twitter.com/polinaivanovva/status/1499716607471460356 (https://twitter.com/polinaivanovva/status/1499716607471460356)

Stockholm syndroming nations
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on March 04, 2022, 10:18:58 AM
It raises an interesting point though:

If Russia were to immediately, unconditionally and unilaterally withdraw - would things be more or less back to normal in a month?

In that scenario, I just couldn't see the Germans continuing to reject Russian gas, or international leaders continuing to push for an ICC appearance. I just don't think there are any world leaders with the stomach for a protracted fight with Putes.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 04, 2022, 10:29:53 AM
He could keep the Crimea and a good chunk of the Donbass if he did so. And Nuland already said US would lift the sanctions. Relationship with the EU however won't be the same.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on March 04, 2022, 12:00:56 PM
https://twitter.com/jakluge/status/1499373653372420099
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on March 04, 2022, 12:14:06 PM
Quote from: Uncle on March 04, 2022, 12:00:56 PM
https://twitter.com/jakluge/status/1499373653372420099

So Aeroflot will not operate outside of Russia,Belarus, China and the -stan countries ever again. Great plan
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 04, 2022, 12:23:59 PM
(https://i.redd.it/ngkbhvcbidl81.jpg)


In all seriousness, why cant a non-NATO country like Sweden do a no-fly zone?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 04, 2022, 12:53:06 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on March 04, 2022, 12:14:06 PM
Quote from: Uncle on March 04, 2022, 12:00:56 PM
https://twitter.com/jakluge/status/1499373653372420099

So Aeroflot will not operate outside of Russia,Belarus, China and the -stan countries ever again. Great plan
Not outside Russia or Belarus. China or the Stans are not about to become rogue states.

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1499783085055004680 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1499783085055004680)
Pretty soon Germany and France will have enough of this shit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 04, 2022, 01:14:17 PM
Now THIS is a boycott

https://twitter.com/GeneralStaffUA/status/1499807380804190215 (https://twitter.com/GeneralStaffUA/status/1499807380804190215)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on March 04, 2022, 01:34:03 PM
Quote from: james on March 04, 2022, 12:23:59 PM
(https://i.redd.it/ngkbhvcbidl81.jpg)


In all seriousness, why cant a non-NATO country like Sweden do a no-fly zone?

I doubt they want Big Bad Vlad to start fucking with them :putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2022, 02:00:23 PM
https://twitter.com/meowmeowmeuw/status/1499436959294537733
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 04, 2022, 02:09:34 PM
Quote from: james on March 04, 2022, 12:23:59 PM
(https://i.redd.it/ngkbhvcbidl81.jpg)


In all seriousness, why cant a non-NATO country like Sweden do a no-fly zone?
It's like WW2 all over again. NATO is the new Maginot line.

The solution to this crisis is simple. The Russians fear that any deal will be moot after a new election. So we send a bipartisan group of the most likely future presidents to negotiate with Putin

Donald Trump
Kamala Harris
Mike Lindell
AOC
Tucker
Joe Rogan

He either blows his brain out or starts to prepare for armageddon.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 04, 2022, 04:18:35 PM
The Russian Call of Duty LARP is still going

https://twitter.com/vcdgf555/status/1499847310313881601 (https://twitter.com/vcdgf555/status/1499847310313881601)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 04, 2022, 04:19:40 PM
https://twitter.com/MorningsMaria/status/1499030968115548161
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on March 04, 2022, 04:44:23 PM
This war has to be in the top 5 bigget self owns of all time

Up there with Neogaf/Malka, and REEEE getting sold out to Moba
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 04, 2022, 04:52:18 PM
Shell's buying the dip

https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1499781089962901505 (https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1499781089962901505)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWiMCNMjUjw

https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1499860089838186504 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1499860089838186504)

US public support fo a no fly zone at 74%. Oil ban supported by 80%
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 04, 2022, 05:08:18 PM
BAN CARS
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 04, 2022, 05:11:03 PM
https://twitter.com/AdamJSchwarz/status/1499838905960521734 (https://twitter.com/AdamJSchwarz/status/1499838905960521734)

Big support for Zelensky from Prague
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 04, 2022, 06:10:34 PM
https://twitter.com/SkyAndyHughes/status/1499863194575200268 (https://twitter.com/SkyAndyHughes/status/1499863194575200268)
Russians ambushed and nearly killed a SkyNews team.

Not much going on tonight but there are rumors that Ukraine is starting a counter offensive in the East. That's probably why Zelensky wants the no-fly zone.

Might be slowing down because the Russians will run out of the supplies they brought Sunday.
https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1499872184382234636 (https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1499872184382234636)

The head of Aeroflot resigned and left.
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1499881303159758851 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1499881303159758851)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 04, 2022, 07:21:13 PM
Quote
Russian media say the threat to Ukrainian civilians doesn't come from the Russian armed forces, it comes from Ukrainian nationalists using civilians as human shields.

I swear I've seen this excuse before.

Anyone know where? Filler?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 04, 2022, 08:35:17 PM
Quote from: who is ted danson? on March 04, 2022, 07:55:10 AM
:drudge  If you only watch 1 news clip this week, please make it this one, and please watch until the end  :drudge

https://twitter.com/skbozphd/status/1499298691156705282

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
I thought I recognized the ron paul guy, but it still didn't register until he started crying at the end  :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 05, 2022, 05:10:17 AM
https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1500033163879456771 (https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1500033163879456771)

Back to the living standards of the Great Russian Empire
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1500076752797843456 (https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1500076752797843456)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on March 05, 2022, 08:06:40 AM
FUCK COCA COLA   >:( >:(

https://twitter.com/mi6rogue/status/1500092826545270788
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on March 05, 2022, 08:16:41 AM
Russians get Lilt but you can barely find it over here? :stahp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2022, 10:18:24 AM
https://twitter.com/Reevellp/status/1500096009069895680
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 05, 2022, 10:24:48 AM
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1500106999236902918 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1500106999236902918)

https://twitter.com/Kira_Yarmysh/status/1500114144120422404 (https://twitter.com/Kira_Yarmysh/status/1500114144120422404)

https://twitter.com/madism78/status/1500106292798623745 (https://twitter.com/madism78/status/1500106292798623745)

If looks could kill  :doge

It's like Berlusconi and Hitler had a baby, jesus christ
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2022, 10:28:24 AM
https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1499860406843625472
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 05, 2022, 10:57:01 AM
https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1500109526581891072 (https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1500109526581891072)

https://twitter.com/AlexandruC4/status/1500084750761013258 (https://twitter.com/AlexandruC4/status/1500084750761013258)

At this rate the Tsar will invade Poland on horses.

This seems to be the result of their new strategy, to use helicopters and planes to escort the columns and defend them from anti-tank ambushes and UA drone strikes.

https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1500147285136658436 (https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1500147285136658436)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 05, 2022, 11:48:52 AM
First unconfirmed report of a strike in Russia

https://twitter.com/ilya_shepelin/status/1500073553055657986 (https://twitter.com/ilya_shepelin/status/1500073553055657986)

In Nizhnekamsk, workers went on strike because of "underpayments" as a result of a jump in the exchange rate

https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1500147285136658436 (https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1500147285136658436)

that was fast  :lol
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1500152639304122380 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1500152639304122380)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 05, 2022, 12:09:15 PM
Everything is going to plan

https://twitter.com/no_itsmyturn/status/1500154812343758848 (https://twitter.com/no_itsmyturn/status/1500154812343758848)

https://twitter.com/no_itsmyturn/status/1500148968944291842 (https://twitter.com/no_itsmyturn/status/1500148968944291842)



https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1500132163920048132 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1500132163920048132)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 05, 2022, 12:45:47 PM
Record yourself doing war crimes brehs

https://twitter.com/Meanwhile007/status/1500158680427384839 (https://twitter.com/Meanwhile007/status/1500158680427384839)

The Russian Ministry of Defense has capitulated and closed their Twitter account  :lol
https://twitter.com/mod_russia (https://twitter.com/mod_russia)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2022, 01:08:14 PM
NATO hoax footage of a helichopper getting anti-aircrafted:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/LucasFoxNews/status/1500090155092299776
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 05, 2022, 01:19:35 PM
"You're making us all look bad"

https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1500173369525870593 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1500173369525870593)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNGwcOiVgAM_pc3?format=jpg)

Some wild theories about this video. Some say it was a green screen edit but the most likely theory is that Putin wasn't at Aeroflot at all but simply in his bunker and they livened the place up with some plants.

Plus there is real doubt that all of these girls are actually flight attendants. People have noted that some are wearing suits and not the proper Aeroflot attire and even if they are wearing it they are not wearing it correctly.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2022, 01:49:05 PM
Another "Foreign-policy analyst | Lawyer | Fmr. Visiting Researcher at @MGIMO University | Featured in: @ForeignPolicy @WashingtonPost @FoxNews @BBC @DatelineNBC" posts big long thread of "proper" war analysis based on a map from Russian TV that doesn't even have the cities labeled correctly:
https://twitter.com/ClintEhrlich/status/1500029926765780993

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNG0r6zXEAIP9aM?format=jpg&name=small)
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2022, 01:53:56 PM
https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/1500134216113266689
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 05, 2022, 01:55:45 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 05, 2022, 01:49:05 PM
Another "Foreign-policy analyst | Lawyer | Fmr. Visiting Researcher at @MGIMO University | Featured in: @ForeignPolicy @WashingtonPost @FoxNews @BBC @DatelineNBC" posts big long thread of "proper" war analysis based on a map from Russian TV that doesn't even have the cities labeled correctly:
https://twitter.com/ClintEhrlich/status/1500029926765780993

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNG0r6zXEAIP9aM?format=jpg&name=small)
[close]
The guy that did the analysis on the tires had a very detailed and plausible explanation of why Russian tanks and trucks can't seem to advance more than 5 miles a day.

Interesting how after meeting with Putin world leaders start to panic call one another
https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1500181445477904390 (https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1500181445477904390)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2022, 02:03:46 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 05, 2022, 01:55:45 PM
The guy that did the analysis on the tires had a very detailed and plausible explanation of why Russian tanks and trucks can't seem to advance more than 5 miles a day.
The winter mud of Eastern Europe has slowed more than one invasion, most notably Napoleon going both ways, yet the dude wants to dunk on some amateur Twitter armchair analyst with an Explainer™ based off of not even good Russian propaganda but something a Russian news channel threw together without even checking the cities. :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on March 05, 2022, 02:11:27 PM
(https://abload.de/img/fncn9vqwuauomkdbdkdk.jpeg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 05, 2022, 02:41:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4wRdoWpw0w
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 05, 2022, 03:00:10 PM
It's quite something to see an army completely fall apart because of corruption and poor logistics.
Some drive into battle with what seem to be fake anti-rocket measures, tanks from 1970 and 1950 anti-tank weapons.
They've now put wooden barriers on their trucks as if that works against guided missiles.

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1500160062354034689 (https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1500160062354034689)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2022, 03:25:36 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNHEwHuXsAIZax_?format=jpg&name=small)

https://twitter.com/shawnalaree/status/1500201738258849801
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on March 05, 2022, 03:31:22 PM
Remember - no Russian.

https://twitter.com/CarloPaski/status/1500039135431737344
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 05, 2022, 03:34:22 PM
I read about that, they turned the power off and trapped them in the elevator.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 05, 2022, 03:39:16 PM
This is some crazy James Bond shit, he was even part of the negotiation team.

https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1500192565764763652 (https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1500192565764763652)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on March 05, 2022, 03:51:07 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1500093773535010820

Also, in a further effort to demoralise Russia, Deep Silver have announced that the new Saints Row game will be pulled from release in every region except Russia.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 05, 2022, 04:13:07 PM
A quick and dirty Google translate of a possible FSB leak:

https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1500197460626624513 (https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1500197460626624513)

Quote
18+ One of the insiders from the special services of the Russian Federation, I will publish without edits and censorship, because this is hell: "" I'll be honest right away: I have hardly slept all these days, almost all the time at work, my head is a little floating, as if in a fog. And from overwork, sometimes I already catch states, as if all this is not real.

To be honest, the Pandora's box is open - a real global horror will begin by the summer - global famine is inevitable (Russia and Ukraine were the main suppliers of grain in the world, this year's harvest will be smaller, and logistical problems will bring the catastrophe to a peak point).

I can’t tell you what guided the top when deciding on the operation, but now we (the Service) are meoa oa e We are scolded for analytics - this is very much in my profile, so I will explain what is wrong.
Recently, we have been increasingly pressed to customize reports to the requirements of management - I once touched on this topic. All these political consultants, politicians and their retinue, influence teams - all this created chaos. silly.
The most important thing is that no one knew that there would be such a war, they hid it from everyone. And here's an example for you: you are asked (conditionally) to calculate the possibility of human rights protection in different conditions, including the attack of prisons by meteorites. You specify about meteorites, they tell you - this is so, reinsurance for calculations, nothing like this will happen. You understand that the report will be just for show, but you need to write in a victorious style so that there are no questions, in a condescending style so that there are no questions. In general, a report is being written that when a meteorite falls, we have everything to eliminate the consequences, we are great, everything is fine. And you concentrate on tasks that are real - we don’t have enough strength anyway. then suddenly they really throw meteorites and wait for everything to be according to your analytics, which they wrote from the bulldozer.

That is why we have a total piz_ets - I don’t even want to pick another word. There is no protection from sanctions for the same reason: well, it’s quite possible that Nabiullina will be sewn on negligence, oree, a switchman. No one knew that there would be such a war, so no one was preparing for such sanctions. This is the reverse side of secrecy: since no one was told, then who could calculate what no one told about?

Kadyrov is going crazy. The conflict with us almost didn’t even start: perhaps even the Ukrainians threw in misinformation that it was we who had handed over the Kadyrov’s routes ei oi eiah eioha eiikhe. let's go: it was the FSB that leaked the routes to the Ukrainians. I do not have such information, I will leave 1-2% for reliability (it cannot be ruled out at all either).

itz-krieg failed. It is simply impossible to complete the task now: if Zelensky and the authorities were captured in the first 1-3 days, they seized all the key buildings in Kyiv, they gave them the order to surrender - yes, the resistance would subside to the minimum values. theoretically. oh alsha? Even with this ideal variant, there was an unsolvable problem: with whom to negotiate? and demolish Zelensky - well, with whom to sign agreements? If with Zelensky, then after we demolish it, these papers are worth nothing.

refused to cooperate: Medvedchuk is a coward, he fled. There is a second leader there - Boyko, but he refuses to work with us - even his own people will not understand him. They wanted to return Tsarev, so even our pro-Russians turned against him. Ovic return? ak? and we say that it is impossible to occupy, then any of our authorities will be killed there in 10 minutes, as we leave. irate? where do we get so much for her? Commandant's offices, military police, counterintelligence, security - even with minimal resistance from the locals, we need from 500. and more to her. not counting supply systems. And there is a rule that by covering the poor quality of management with quantity, you only spoil everything. this, I repeat, would be with the ideal option, which does not exist.

oh now? we cannot announce the mobilization for two reasons:
1) Large-scale mobilization will undermine the situation inside the country: political, economic, social.
2) Us logistics is overstretched today. We will drive a many times larger contingent, and what will we get?

Aina is a hefty country in terms of territory. And now the level of hatred towards us is going through the roof. Our roads simply won't be able to handle such supply caravans - everything will come to a standstill. managerially we will not stretch - because chaos.
And these two reasons fall out at the same time, although even one is enough to break everything off.

about the loss: I don't know how many there are. who knows. The first two days there was still control, now no one knows what is going on there. you can lose large units in communication. They can be found, or they can dissolve due to being attacked. And there, even the commanders may not know how many of them are running around somewhere nearby, how many died, how many are in captivity. the number of those who have gone around is definitely in the thousands. Maybe 10 thousand, maybe 5, or maybe only 2. Even at the headquarters they don’t know for sure. Must be closer than 10. We don’t count the LDNR corps now - they have their own accounting.

Now, even if Zelensky is killed, captured, nothing will change. There Chechnya by the level of hatred
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 05, 2022, 04:47:56 PM
Zelensky upped the stakes

In his latest speech he calls for Ukrainians to rise up in every city like the people did in Kherson.
He also calls for those not brainwashed by Russian TV in the DNR/LNR to rise up against the Russians now that they've seen the devastation of Kharkiv and to help him free their land and unite the country.

Zelenskyy: It is necessary to go out and chase this evil from our land, so that they don't make new "LPR" and "DPR," where normal life is simply impossible - only slavery and only "on the knees".

https://twitter.com/Ukraine/status/1500195497629397000 (https://twitter.com/Ukraine/status/1500195497629397000)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on March 05, 2022, 05:24:36 PM
https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1500232483324968970

 :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 05, 2022, 05:27:31 PM
Quote
These claims are supported by sources in No10 at the time
This time you'll get him Dom!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Mupepe on March 05, 2022, 05:31:57 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 05, 2022, 03:25:36 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNHEwHuXsAIZax_?format=jpg&name=small)

https://twitter.com/shawnalaree/status/1500201738258849801
Russians love their kfc. That shit is everywhere and my coworkers talk about it like it’s americas greatest gift to them.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 05, 2022, 05:32:14 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 05, 2022, 03:34:22 PM
I read about that, they turned the power off and trapped them in the elevator.
this war is turning into a home alone movie  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 05, 2022, 05:32:51 PM
https://twitter.com/kunthavi05/status/1500232195432411136
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 05, 2022, 05:42:42 PM
https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1500233460165844995 (https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1500233460165844995)

Looks like the Russkies will just bombard the airwaves with meaningless propaganda until they finally figure out what to do.

https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1500238754438594564 (https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1500238754438594564)

https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1500128256477089792 (https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1500128256477089792)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 05, 2022, 06:24:07 PM
Zelensky wrecked Putin this is king shit

https://twitter.com/llamedos77/status/1500237736845926400 (https://twitter.com/llamedos77/status/1500237736845926400)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on March 05, 2022, 06:43:33 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 05, 2022, 06:24:07 PM
Zelensky wrecked Putin this is king shit

https://twitter.com/llamedos77/status/1500237736845926400 (https://twitter.com/llamedos77/status/1500237736845926400)

Makes sense its a fake. Dude won't sit within 5m of his staff and generals in the war room. Why risk the rona with a bunch of randos
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 05, 2022, 06:46:26 PM
Still being President in a war zone fighting for your country while hiding from Chechen assassins and yet still finding time to stay up to speed with obscure internet memes to troll your enemy.

That's king shit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2022, 11:34:31 PM
https://twitter.com/GermanEmbassySA/status/1500032894261211138
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 06, 2022, 12:29:24 AM
where was all this concern when the zionists invaded Palestine? they all stay quiet when israel is doing this on a regular lol foh with this horseshit. soon as the whites catch some of their own brand of hell it's suddenly the end of days  :rofl
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 06, 2022, 12:34:34 AM
https://twitter.com/OttawaCommies/status/1499740801504628747

 :neogaf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on March 06, 2022, 01:08:53 AM
Image source (2018)
(https://iili.io/EAFh42.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 06, 2022, 05:48:02 AM
Boris' 6 point plan to defeat Putin
https://twitter.com/ChannelUK1/status/1500347524204404738 (https://twitter.com/ChannelUK1/status/1500347524204404738)

Blow that bridge already you morons  :doge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C29ugQqjsG8
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 06, 2022, 09:24:47 AM
Protest in Russia are growing in size

https://twitter.com/bbbayh/status/1500449635579662336 (https://twitter.com/bbbayh/status/1500449635579662336)

Less fighting in Ukraine today but the Russians were stupid enough to target civilians fleeing the Kyiv area while the NYT was there to report on the evacuations.

Of course the Russians are already blaming it on ghost Nazi's.

At this point no matter what we do makes a difference the Russians will come up with any old bullshit.
https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1500498191732678660 (https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1500498191732678660)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 06, 2022, 11:18:03 AM
https://twitter.com/idreesali114/status/1500490557663158272 (https://twitter.com/idreesali114/status/1500490557663158272)

Fits with the rumors that Putin fears Shoygu (Minister of Defense) is planning a coup next week.
Putin is seemingly looking for a way to 'frame' him and other scapegoats for treason and such.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 06, 2022, 11:38:11 AM
The Russians are trying hard to build a case to attack NATO next.

https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1500505238507249664 (https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1500505238507249664)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HardcoreRetro on March 06, 2022, 01:02:13 PM
I also put stickers that say "Spy equipment" on my spy equipment. Hacking into the Kremlin's mainframe on my Windows Vista Thinkpad.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 06, 2022, 01:44:12 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNGNmpUWUAEjg2p?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on March 06, 2022, 03:28:49 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 06, 2022, 11:38:11 AM
The Russians are trying hard to build a case to attack NATO next.

https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1500505238507249664 (https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1500505238507249664)

NATO "using" Lenovo computers.

 :neogaf

Try to make it a little more credible, Russia.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 06, 2022, 03:51:39 PM
everyone knows they use alienware  :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 06, 2022, 03:58:20 PM
https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPR/status/1500574438990958599 (https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPR/status/1500574438990958599)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on March 06, 2022, 04:28:55 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 06, 2022, 03:58:20 PM
https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPR/status/1500574438990958599 (https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPR/status/1500574438990958599)
Physical game collectors in russia:
:expert :point :snob :success
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 06, 2022, 04:56:46 PM
The Russian church has chimed in

Quote
Patriarch Kirill: the war is on because Donbass do not want gay parades
https://twitter.com/SvobodaRadio/status/1500588942164303875 (https://twitter.com/SvobodaRadio/status/1500588942164303875)

Fulfilling the prophecy of the Third Empire
Quote
“If thou rulest thine empire rightly,
thou wilt be the son of light and a citizen of the heavenly Jerusalem…
But now, I say unto thee, take care and take heed…
all the empires of Christendom are united… in thine,
for two Romes have fallen and the third exists
and there shall be no fourth.”

Roman Empire - Rome (1st Empire)
Byzantine Empire - Constantinople (2nd Empire)
Third Reich - Berlin (3rd Empire (attempt 1))
Russian Empire - Moscow (3rd Empire (attempt 2))
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on March 06, 2022, 05:13:55 PM
Quote
In 2016, Kirill stated that silencing priests that speak against same-sex marriage is similar to censorship, such as those that existed under Soviet totalitarianism. In May 2017, he again likened silencing such priests to totalitarianism seen in Nazi Germany

(https://www.motherjones.com/wp-content/uploads/gay-nazi-flag.jpg)

(https://i0.wp.com/boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/animation-1-3.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 06, 2022, 06:30:07 PM
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1500614244374560769 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1500614244374560769)

:wut
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 06, 2022, 09:02:48 PM
https://twitter.com/keffals/status/1500098685555859456
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 07, 2022, 01:03:17 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNK1VBLVcAUlPyL?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 07, 2022, 01:33:45 AM
https://twitter.com/YIMBYPoland/status/1500535732821053440
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 07, 2022, 01:37:42 AM
Lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: chronovore on March 07, 2022, 01:55:21 AM
Quote from: Kurt Russell on March 04, 2022, 10:18:58 AM
It raises an interesting point though:

If Russia were to immediately, unconditionally and unilaterally withdraw - would things be more or less back to normal in a month?

In that scenario, I just couldn't see the Germans continuing to reject Russian gas, or international leaders continuing to push for an ICC appearance. I just don't think there are any world leaders with the stomach for a protracted fight with Putes.

It would depend on how punitive they plan to be with Putin. While it would cost the world some to continue keeping the Russian sanctions up, it is absolutely fucking up Russia's shit more than The Rest of the World. Just because Putin says "just kidding" and brings his troops home, it doesn't automatically lift the sanctions. Then there is the matter of reparations.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 07, 2022, 04:17:49 AM
The Russian leadership is far beyond that and doesn't care.

The only thing they have done is fabricate new evidence, upped the stakes by capturing nuclear plants and destroying appartment blocks, shelling evac zones and damaging infrastructure. They've also started to target local mayors in Ukraine and other potential threats but mostly the population.

At home they've imposed a North Korean like crackdown on dissent and tuned up the censorship and propaganda to 11. They've also started to teach the children the 'truth' about the war and have started to register teens in colleges and universities for future military service and forced labor. They've adopted a law that anti-war protestors are to be send to the front.

As for foreign policy the have threatened Sweden and Finland. Made promises they didn't keep and told Erdogan that unless all demands are met they won't stop the war. It's about more than Russia too at this point. Ukraine is important for the food supply, wheat prices are already exploding. Not to mention the refugee flows.

It's an evil empire at this point there is no rationality left. They want to take over Ukraine and the other lands that once belonged to imperial Russia by force. Unless something happens in Russia itself it will be a long and bloody war.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: chronovore on March 07, 2022, 06:13:12 AM
http://twitter.com/johnnymerceruk/status/1500439046451044355
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 07, 2022, 07:49:26 AM
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1500799479498297347 (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1500799479498297347)

Russia basically wants to kill everyone that is trying to get away
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on March 07, 2022, 08:12:35 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/hzzeVS0.jpeg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 07, 2022, 08:49:26 AM
https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1500728148996018176 (https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1500728148996018176)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 07, 2022, 09:04:59 AM
https://twitter.com/Reevellp/status/1500823560289411078

 :hmm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 07, 2022, 09:21:49 AM
There's a catch, they have to appoint Boiko as prime minister and Zelensky can stay as pro-forma president stripped of all authority.

Macron is angry because he was fooled again as well.
The promised "humanitarian" corridors led straight to Russia and Belarus. Other routes were mined.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 07, 2022, 10:12:37 AM
In a surprising development the Ukrainians managed to destroy a Russian ship with GRADs

https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1500796919265873927 (https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1500796919265873927)

https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1500797084726964231 (https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1500797084726964231)

This is Rommel using Flak 88's as anti armor tier  :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 07, 2022, 10:35:33 AM
Quote from: Nintex on March 07, 2022, 08:49:26 AM
https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1500728148996018176 (https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1500728148996018176)

I want a deep dive into Putin and QAnon. It almost feels like he got sucked into this and believes his own garbage
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on March 07, 2022, 12:10:18 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 07, 2022, 09:04:59 AM
https://twitter.com/Reevellp/status/1500823560289411078

 :hmm

I'm sure they'll agree the 6th time he asks :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Svejk on March 07, 2022, 12:23:34 PM
We'll see how things go when Russian subs cut web lines and Runet activates this Friday.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 07, 2022, 01:13:40 PM
Looks like we might get a second front after all  :japancry

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1500827047362449408 (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1500827047362449408)

Quote from: Svejk on March 07, 2022, 12:23:34 PM
We'll see how things go when Russian subs cut web lines and Runet activates this Friday.
Yeah I read about this as well, the sub to cut the cable already left port.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 07, 2022, 02:09:49 PM
Quote from: Uncle on March 07, 2022, 08:12:35 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/hzzeVS0.jpeg)
Lol, it's freedom fries all over again, but in reverse!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 07, 2022, 02:29:17 PM
Anyone have riots on their bingo card? Im wondering if were getting any spicy ones soon.

Arab Spring but maybe Euro Spring?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 07, 2022, 03:04:39 PM
Quote from: james on March 07, 2022, 02:29:17 PM
Anyone have riots on their bingo card? Im wondering if were getting any spicy ones soon.

Arab Spring but maybe Euro Spring?
Even though there are some Putin fans, the majority of Europeans support whooping Russia's ass in Ukraine even if it means higher energy prices, for now.
I expect it will be messy in the Middle East, Africa, South America and probably Asia because of food prices. Europe can produce its own food but it won't be able to export as much.
China alone imports 10% of its food from Ukraine so you have to wonder what Putin promised them in exchange for support (probably a nice lease on some farmland).

Then you have stuff that Russia provides (or used to provide) in abundance like nickel. The price has shot up 80%.

The heaviest blows will probably fall in countries that are already on the edge like Lebanon, Yemen, Syria, Afghanistan etc. and unless China is willing to prop up Russia and Belarus I expect their economies to completely crater.
Launching an alternative payment system is easy compared to preventing mass unemployment in Russia.

I also think this is why the war will expand to other countries as the cost/benefit ratio of this war for Russia is very poor.
The more they conquer the more it was worth it.

The UN can kiss goodbye to their climate and other sustainability goals though. Building military equipment means heavy industries.
Being less reliant on Russia means more coal on the short term. In Russia itself soon many people will be pushed back into poverty and serfdom.


WHERE THE HELL IS JAMES???

https://twitter.com/CGasparino/status/1500930687670571013 (https://twitter.com/CGasparino/status/1500930687670571013)

Another oil depot hit
https://twitter.com/SESU_UA/status/1500922755381870599 (https://twitter.com/SESU_UA/status/1500922755381870599)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 07, 2022, 03:45:29 PM
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1500935184383983624 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1500935184383983624)

Russia about to sanction itself
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 07, 2022, 04:05:50 PM
https://twitter.com/biannagolodryga/status/1500794400657584131

San Marino finally just got taken down a peg, you love to see it :american
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 07, 2022, 04:18:39 PM
https://twitter.com/ClaireBerlinski/status/1500886251154685954
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 07, 2022, 04:20:46 PM
Quote from: Svejk on March 07, 2022, 12:23:34 PM
We'll see how things go when Russian subs cut web lines and Runet activates this Friday.
bunch of loading problems happening on Twitter rn sus

WE'RE SORRY VLAD WE SURRENDER WE'LL PUT TRUMP BACK IN 2024
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 07, 2022, 04:25:28 PM
https://twitter.com/lookner/status/1500940075575951360 (https://twitter.com/lookner/status/1500940075575951360)

https://twitter.com/pmakela1/status/1500935718457253891 (https://twitter.com/pmakela1/status/1500935718457253891)

Noticed this too, almost no movement along the front.
They are sitting ducks as Ukraine keeps blowing up more and more trucks and fuel trucks.
However they are slowly gathering some sort of force for an attack in Kyiv.

Next comes the cold, temperatures will hit -10 to -20 celcius later this week.
The Russian captured POW's didn't look very well equipped for the winter cold either.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on March 07, 2022, 04:25:57 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 07, 2022, 04:05:50 PM
https://twitter.com/biannagolodryga/status/1500794400657584131

San Marino finally just got taken down a peg, you love to see it :american


Time for them to declare war against Russia, just like they did against the Germans, which they were at war with for over 30 years. :punch

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on March 07, 2022, 04:31:53 PM
Also: Don't fuck with Liechtenstein!

In WWI:
Quote
Liechtenstein’s Army returned home from war with more men than it left with
:punch
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 07, 2022, 04:32:41 PM
The war has reached Ireland
https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1500849103143682051 (https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1500849103143682051)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 07, 2022, 04:40:11 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on March 07, 2022, 04:25:57 PM
Time for them to declare war against Russia, just like they did against the Germans, which they were at war with for over 30 years. :punch
As always, the Dutch:
Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Hundred_and_Thirty_Five_Years%27_War
In 1986, Roy Duncan, historian and Chairman of the Isles of Scilly Council, decided to investigate and wrote to the Dutch Embassy in London. Embassy staff found that no peace treaty had ever been signed, and Duncan invited the Dutch ambassador Jonkheer Rein Huydecoper to visit the islands and officially end the "conflict". Peace was declared on 17 April 1986, exactly 335 years after the supposed declaration of war. The Dutch ambassador joked that it must have been horrifying to the Scillonians "to know we could have attacked at any moment."
:dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on March 07, 2022, 04:47:23 PM
Quote
On 30 March 1651, Lieutenant-Admiral Maarten Harpertszoon Tromp arrived in Scilly to demand reparation from the Royalist fleet for the Dutch ships and goods taken by them.[2]

:thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on March 07, 2022, 04:55:12 PM
*Dromph  ;)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on March 07, 2022, 04:58:06 PM
Quote from: BIONIC on March 07, 2022, 04:55:12 PM
*Dromph  ;)

Oranje Man bad!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 07, 2022, 04:58:24 PM
Did they run out of ammo

https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/1500950096711671808 (https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/1500950096711671808)

Quote
from Kiev and adjacent settlements to the Russian Federation through the territory of the Republic of Belarus to Gomel city with delivery by air to the Russian Federation, in the southern direction - in agreement with the Ukrainian side;

Ah, they offer a one way ticket to their prison camps.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 07, 2022, 05:15:11 PM
https://twitter.com/Lyla_lilas/status/1500948520391647236 (https://twitter.com/Lyla_lilas/status/1500948520391647236)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 07, 2022, 05:24:36 PM
https://twitter.com/borzou/status/1500734709311098883
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 07, 2022, 05:27:35 PM
https://twitter.com/middlecoastdan/status/1500697965522001924
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on March 07, 2022, 05:32:52 PM
I don't want to be alarmist, but I feel like there is no chance of this not turning into a nuclear conflict now.  The west has escalated this too far.

https://twitter.com/ASB_Breaking/status/1500917237611388936


:gopnik
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 07, 2022, 05:41:41 PM
Two weeks from now, Russia will just be a bunch of nude men squatting around a barrel fire. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on March 07, 2022, 05:43:27 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on March 07, 2022, 05:32:52 PM
I don't want to be alarmist, but I feel like there is no chance of this not turning into a nuclear conflict now.  The west has escalated this too far.

https://twitter.com/ASB_Breaking/status/1500917237611388936


:gopnik

:existential
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 07, 2022, 05:46:07 PM
No one is talking about it, but Russia has also clearly lot the cyber war.

They only managed to take down Doodle
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on March 07, 2022, 05:52:05 PM
Quote from: james on March 07, 2022, 05:46:07 PM
No one is talking about it, but Russia has also clearly lot the cyber war.

They only managed to take down Doodle

The Russians don’t have a 500 lb man laying on his bed (aka Benji)  :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on March 07, 2022, 05:54:15 PM
If adibas sales were halted, I'd be looking for the nearest bunker immerdiately.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on March 07, 2022, 05:56:48 PM
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/748231236002250752/950159109515251712/FNKo2fkUYAQMIPX.png?width=1300&height=1288)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on March 07, 2022, 05:58:15 PM
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/208166762036854785/947402912802430988/IMG_9962.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 07, 2022, 06:01:00 PM
I never thought the Toyota War would look like advanced technology. What has Russia been doing the last thirty years?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 07, 2022, 06:05:01 PM
https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1500959244421640194 (https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1500959244421640194)

https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1500959074653024259 (https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1500959074653024259)

The nephew of the guy on the left (Chief of the General Staff — Valery Gerasimov) is KIA
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/15852/production/_123464188_pair.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on March 07, 2022, 06:07:20 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 07, 2022, 06:01:00 PM
I never thought the Toyota War would look like advanced technology. What has Russia been doing the last thirty years?

Putin: Go buy me newest adidas tracksuit for $50

Military guy returns with $5 adibas tracksuit, keeps the change.


 True story.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 07, 2022, 06:07:42 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on March 07, 2022, 05:41:41 PM
Two weeks from now, Russia will just be a bunch of nude men squatting around a barrel fire.
los angeles  ???
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on March 07, 2022, 06:14:53 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 07, 2022, 01:03:17 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNK1VBLVcAUlPyL?format=jpg&name=small)
:lol :lol :lol
I completely missed this.

Obligatory Friedman

Quote
During the 1999 NATO bombing of Yugoslavia, Friedman wrote the following in The New York Times on April 23, 1999: "Like it or not, we are at war with the Serbian nation (the Serbs certainly think so), and the stakes have to be very clear: Every week you ravage Kosovo is another decade we will set your country back by pulverizing you. You want 1950? We can do 1950. You want 1389? We can do 1389 too." Friedman urged the US to destroy "in Belgrade: every power grid, water pipe, bridge [and] road", annex Albania and Macedonia as "U.S. protectorates", "occupy the Balkans for years," and "[g]ive war a chance."

"Be advised, these are weak, tribalized states that can fall apart in our hands. Albania is non-country country. It is a country where police estimate that more than half the cars on the road were stolen from somewhere else in Europe, where everyone has a gun at home and where just two years ago the whole banking system was based on pyramid schemes and three-card monte."
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on March 07, 2022, 06:29:38 PM
at this rate I'm worried they will cancel the war and go home, leaving an entire generation thinking Russia is a military laughingstock, as they quietly modernize and become a force to be reckoned with

(https://i.imgur.com/csTlBjg.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 07, 2022, 06:34:33 PM
Last summer I matched a Russian girl online we talked for a bit but she was very shallow

Wonder what she's up to
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 07, 2022, 06:48:53 PM
Transcript of the call that the Ukrainians intercepted. The Russian encrypted communications rely on 3G apparently and they well, blew up all the 3G towers.
https://twitter.com/dimrub/status/1500972750105714693 (https://twitter.com/dimrub/status/1500972750105714693)

https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1500978613113524229 (https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1500978613113524229)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on March 07, 2022, 07:03:33 PM
Smart to stay away from 5G towers though. :putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: tiesto on March 07, 2022, 07:08:03 PM
Quote from: james on March 07, 2022, 06:34:33 PM
Last summer I matched a Russian girl online we talked for a bit but she was very shallow

Wonder what she's up to

I went out with a Russian girl a while back, we went to Friendly's for some ice cream... it was weird since her mother kept calling her the whole time on the date to check up on her.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Mupepe on March 07, 2022, 07:27:53 PM
I keep wanting to ask my Russian coworkers what their thoughts are but last time I went out drinking with them out there they started talking politics and… yikes. So I think not.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: chronovore on March 07, 2022, 09:56:09 PM
http://twitter.com/idinamenzel/status/1500676050593980426


 :'(
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 07, 2022, 10:36:04 PM
https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy/status/1500886096837849099

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1500962329269211138

 :whoo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 07, 2022, 11:09:45 PM
Shitposting in the UN. Love to see it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 08, 2022, 12:07:09 AM
https://twitter.com/drewtoothpaste/status/1500920633538064385
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 08, 2022, 12:15:02 AM
https://twitter.com/MaraLiasson/status/1501049460117364746

 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 08, 2022, 12:44:25 AM
https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1500985658646609927
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 08, 2022, 12:58:45 AM
CRISIS ACTOR
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: chronovore on March 08, 2022, 02:06:48 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 08, 2022, 12:07:09 AM
https://twitter.com/drewtoothpaste/status/1500920633538064385

I feel 99% certain that poster is from the American west coast.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 08, 2022, 02:15:47 AM
 ;)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: jorma on March 08, 2022, 03:29:56 AM
Quote from: chronovore on March 08, 2022, 02:06:48 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 08, 2022, 12:07:09 AM
https://twitter.com/drewtoothpaste/status/1500920633538064385

I feel 99% certain that poster is from the American west coast.

twitter profile said Columbus, OH

From America was correct though, which was my guess  :teehee
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 08, 2022, 03:41:11 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1501092364340846596
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: chronovore on March 08, 2022, 03:42:50 AM
Yeah, I peeked afterward, and was surprised to see a midwesterner spouting that kind of nonsense. Maybe she moved there.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 08, 2022, 03:45:44 AM
the dumbest people in california are usually from out of state tbh  :snob
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 08, 2022, 04:01:01 AM
https://twitter.com/JessicaDAmir/status/1500789066370936836 (https://twitter.com/JessicaDAmir/status/1500789066370936836)

:hesright
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: chronovore on March 08, 2022, 04:04:33 AM
Trump was reading someone else's prediction there. The dude couldn't even be bothered to read his daily security briefs, let alone do a deep dive on Eastern European energy strategy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 08, 2022, 04:10:43 AM
either way, the germans can eat shit  :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 08, 2022, 09:13:32 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNNrpmoXsAA5l-q?format=jpg&name=small)

 :hmm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 08, 2022, 09:14:06 AM
https://twitter.com/SIGKILL/status/1500770387151384576
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 08, 2022, 11:45:51 AM
https://twitter.com/SStapczynski/status/1501175945990148096 (https://twitter.com/SStapczynski/status/1501175945990148096)

Was it all a grift  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 08, 2022, 12:03:33 PM
https://twitter.com/KyleKulinski/status/1501205982285869066
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 08, 2022, 12:11:39 PM
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1501193298928705542 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1501193298928705542)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 08, 2022, 12:15:50 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 08, 2022, 12:11:39 PM
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1501193298928705542 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1501193298928705542)

This is it.

The first shot in World War 3 has been fired
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 08, 2022, 12:22:31 PM
The Dutch folding like a deck of cards

Quote
Shell to halt buying Russian oil and gas and close all service stations in country

Firm apologises for crude oil purchase last week as it moves to end all Russian dealings

Shell has announced plans to withdraw from Russian oil and gas and close all of its 500 service stations in the country, as the boss of the FTSE 100 company apologised for buying Russian crude oil last week.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/mar/08/shell-to-halt-buying-russian-oil-and-gas-and-close-all-service-stations-in-country
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 08, 2022, 12:34:43 PM
Shell thought no one would notice if they bought some Russian oil with a nice discount :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on March 08, 2022, 12:37:50 PM
https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1501233820850339847
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 08, 2022, 12:45:07 PM
https://twitter.com/olgatokariuk/status/1501214756891414528 (https://twitter.com/olgatokariuk/status/1501214756891414528)

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 08, 2022, 12:58:50 PM
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1501254786418675713 (https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1501254786418675713)

holy shit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Tuckers Law on March 08, 2022, 01:19:14 PM
They’re just giving Putin that authentic USSR feeling that he craves.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 08, 2022, 01:27:37 PM
Theyre going to market this as for Ukraine but its probably because they cant source the ingredients they need due to sanctions and the collapsing rubble.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 08, 2022, 01:38:33 PM
https://twitter.com/FirstSquawk/status/1501261009385787396 (https://twitter.com/FirstSquawk/status/1501261009385787396)

JAMES?? JAMES!???!!

If Gas and Oil go on this list we must fire the nukes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5U9aLGDH-I

Guy that worked for Putin: "He's going for Poland and everything else"

Typical English scholar: "Oh he would hardly do that my lad!"


If you think Putin is going to stop at Lviv I've got a bridge to the Crimea to sell you.
Ukraine is a practice run.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on March 08, 2022, 01:45:21 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 08, 2022, 01:38:33 PM
https://twitter.com/FirstSquawk/status/1501261009385787396 (https://twitter.com/FirstSquawk/status/1501261009385787396)

JAMES?? JAMES!???!!

If Gas and Oil go on this list we must fire the nukes

I’ll only panic if this includes mail-order brides  :-\
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 08, 2022, 01:47:41 PM
Has to be a bluff, otherwise, I don't see how Putin doesn't get walked out of a 6th story window after a few weeks.  Also, assume that it only applies to Ukrainian-aligned countries. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 08, 2022, 01:50:03 PM
https://twitter.com/downdetector/status/1501261506469638144

Putin?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on March 08, 2022, 01:53:39 PM
Quote from: james on March 08, 2022, 01:50:03 PM
https://twitter.com/downdetector/status/1501261506469638144

Putin?

Probably shosta tbh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 08, 2022, 01:55:19 PM
Quote
We will rebuild our country with no trace of Russia, vows Volodymyr Zelensky
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/rebuild-country-no-trace-russia-120706050.html

"Gotta hand it to Hitler..." - Zelensky
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 08, 2022, 01:55:22 PM
https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/status/1501268895939837954 (https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/status/1501268895939837954)

Ukraine getting dem migs  8)

Here's how it works
- Poland trades old jets with 'newer' US jets (probably F16's)
- Polish jets get a paint and maintenance job at Rammstein (US airbase in Germany)
- Ukraine pilots come to pick up Polish jets

Now the question is, will Putin accept this or will he bomb the US airbase in Germany.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on March 08, 2022, 01:56:11 PM
TheBore server runing on a modded Nintendo Wii in a basement instead of these modern services sure has its benefits: :klob
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 08, 2022, 02:10:46 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on March 08, 2022, 01:56:11 PM
TheBore server runing on a modded Nintendo Wii in a basement instead of these modern services sure has its benefits: :klob

Is it just me or do tweets take forever to load these days on here?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 08, 2022, 02:27:04 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 08, 2022, 12:58:50 PM
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1501254786418675713 (https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1501254786418675713)

holy shit
somehow this all feels so similar to what happened with trump. going all out to remove him from power

the difference is that trump could be rid of with an election, that isn't possible with putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on March 08, 2022, 03:08:55 PM
Quote from: james on March 08, 2022, 02:10:46 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on March 08, 2022, 01:56:11 PM
TheBore server runing on a modded Nintendo Wii in a basement instead of these modern services sure has its benefits: :klob

Is it just me or do tweets take forever to load these days on here?

Youtube embeds still show a blank space for me  :rage
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 08, 2022, 03:31:30 PM
meanwhile on windows 7 everything still working just as shitty as ever  :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 08, 2022, 04:22:41 PM
https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1501293371071123456 (https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1501293371071123456)

https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1501301361224429580 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1501301361224429580)

We are not fucking around anymore  :doge
https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1501298833627791360 (https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1501298833627791360)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 08, 2022, 05:26:24 PM
you can call a random Russian using this website to explain that war is bad
https://callrussia.org/ (https://callrussia.org/)

I'm sure this won't be abused or anything :trumps


Meanwhile China is planning a military disaster of their own
https://twitter.com/islamicworldupd/status/1501306359073099781 (https://twitter.com/islamicworldupd/status/1501306359073099781)

Imagine the invasion of Ukraine but the trucks need to first cross on boats and are attacked by 400 aircraft and that's before the US and Japan help out.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 08, 2022, 07:26:57 PM
Schrodingers Migs
https://twitter.com/PentagonPresSec/status/1501336450012528647 (https://twitter.com/PentagonPresSec/status/1501336450012528647)

They've been going back and forth about these Migs all week and I don't see how it is any different from sending a box of stingers
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: chronovore on March 09, 2022, 01:32:45 AM
Quote from: team filler on March 08, 2022, 04:10:43 AM
either way, the germans can eat shit  :trumps
It’s plenty of problems for us as well.
https://youtu.be/L3YtOnpTYH8
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 09, 2022, 01:50:26 AM
Quote from: Nintex on March 08, 2022, 07:26:57 PM
Schrodingers Migs
https://twitter.com/PentagonPresSec/status/1501336450012528647 (https://twitter.com/PentagonPresSec/status/1501336450012528647)

They've been going back and forth about these Migs all week and I don't see how it is any different from sending a box of stingers
Losing a few expendable tank crews and tanks is one thing, having a whole 64km column of supply trucks lit up like a bonfire is another.

Also, losing a few tanks costs a bit, losing a few aircraft costs a bit more than a bit. 


EDIT: Top of page Slava Ukraini
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://www.ukrgate.com/eng/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/The-Number-of-Women-in-the-Ukrainian-Army-Has-Doubled-in-Seven-Years1.jpg)
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: chronovore on March 09, 2022, 02:27:04 AM
Quote from: Potato on March 09, 2022, 01:50:26 AM
(...)
EDIT: Top of page Slava Ukraini
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://www.ukrgate.com/eng/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/The-Number-of-Women-in-the-Ukrainian-Army-Has-Doubled-in-Seven-Years1.jpg)
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:salute
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 09, 2022, 07:17:46 AM
https://twitter.com/dsszzi/status/1501518951007895554 (https://twitter.com/dsszzi/status/1501518951007895554)

https://twitter.com/dsszzi/status/1501518953511800834 (https://twitter.com/dsszzi/status/1501518953511800834)

 :wut
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: SmokyDave on March 09, 2022, 10:41:54 AM
"The wind can transfer the radioactive cloud to other regions of Ukraine, Belarus, Russia and Europe."

Oh, thank fuck for Brexit. Really dodged a bullet there.

Quote from: BisMarckie on March 07, 2022, 05:56:48 PM
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/748231236002250752/950159109515251712/FNKo2fkUYAQMIPX.png?width=1300&height=1288)

Bottom left is an older Lada Niva. Invoice in the post.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 09, 2022, 10:48:54 AM
This shit is real suspicious.

So HBO makes a show about a disaster at Chornobyl and a year later theyre saying it might happen? Feels like a setup
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 09, 2022, 12:01:54 PM
https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1501577368049176584 (https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1501577368049176584)

Zelensky says he will 'cleanse' the Russians from Ukraine if they don't surrender.

Tells Washington to stop playing Ping Pong with the planes

Says that he has received signals of politicians trying to undermine the 'unity' by seeking a seperate deal with Russia or splitting the country.
He says if he keeps hearing such things their punishment will be one that befits wartime.

 :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 09, 2022, 12:15:21 PM
Prediction: By May, Zelensky will be a dictator ruling with an iron fist and killing his enemies at the national stadium
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 09, 2022, 12:29:06 PM
I'm glad that even on the eve of World War III the brits manage to organize a political scandal :rejoice

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1501158068020822018 (https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1501158068020822018)

https://twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/1501575283928752134 (https://twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/1501575283928752134)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on March 09, 2022, 12:30:23 PM
Quote from: james on March 09, 2022, 12:15:21 PM
Prediction: By May, Zelensky will be a dictator ruling with an iron fist and killing his enemies at the national stadium

yaas king slay impregnate me with your ukrainian swimmers
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2022, 01:34:41 PM
https://twitter.com/WorldTravelDiva/status/1500964148267601927

that'll show em!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2022, 01:42:12 PM
https://twitter.com/SeanPenn/status/1501603494725259264
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on March 09, 2022, 02:12:41 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 09, 2022, 12:29:06 PM
I'm glad that even on the eve of World War III the brits manage to organize a political scandal :rejoice

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1501158068020822018 (https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1501158068020822018)

https://twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/1501575283928752134 (https://twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/1501575283928752134)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJcpajX7EdU

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2022, 02:23:34 PM
https://twitter.com/WorldnewsNws/status/1500566406244487173

 :salute
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 09, 2022, 02:43:38 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 09, 2022, 01:42:12 PM
https://twitter.com/SeanPenn/status/1501603494725259264
Somewhere in the bureaucratic chain is Germany  :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 09, 2022, 03:23:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz66sLHSZrg
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 09, 2022, 03:25:55 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60675599

Quote
A maternity and children's hospital in the city of Mariupol has been hit by a Russian air strike, Ukraine says.

President Volodymyr Zelensky said people were trapped under the wreckage, and called on Western leaders to impose a no-fly zone.

He also posted footage apparently from inside the hospital, which appeared badly damaged.

A regional official told Ukrainian media that at least 17 people were injured, including staff and patients.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 09, 2022, 03:35:58 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 09, 2022, 02:23:34 PM
https://twitter.com/WorldnewsNws/status/1500566406244487173

 :salute
I hope they picked that shit up afterwards...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 09, 2022, 04:02:08 PM
https://twitter.com/PaulSonne/status/1501602336036331530 (https://twitter.com/PaulSonne/status/1501602336036331530)

The officer class will like this
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on March 09, 2022, 05:26:31 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 08, 2022, 07:26:57 PM
They've been going back and forth about these Migs all week and I don't see how it is any different from sending a box of stingers

One's essentially a purely defensive weapon. The other, not so much.

In any case, I don't get why they're asking for a no fly zone and for aircrafts. Multiple reports say that their own fleet is pretty much intact, an the massive destruction that's happening is no caused by planes or helis.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on March 09, 2022, 05:45:35 PM
Nicola Sturgeon coming round to the idea of a no fly zone.

Easy for her to say when she a) has no fucking planes to start with and b) even if she did, the Scottish are generally too pissed to fly them.

https://order-order.com/2022/03/09/sturgeon-nato-shouldnt-rule-out-no-fly-zone/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 09, 2022, 06:24:34 PM
Turns out it wasnt scarcity, it was speculation and greed

Quote
Oil drops 12% for worst day since November as wild ride triggered by Russia disruption continues

:pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 09, 2022, 06:34:18 PM
Putin bombed a maternity hospital today killing children and pregnant women so that has moved the needle on the No Fly Zone a bit.

Anyway, the no-fly zone has 3 uses.
1. Russia won't be able to shoot cruise missiles and ballistic missiles into Ukraine as they are doing now as those could be intercepted (or pose a serious threat to patrolling NATO aircraft)

2. Russia wouldn't be able to keep bombing Ukrainian cities with planes

3. Ukraine could mount counter attacks which is now difficult as Russian helicopters and planes also protect their columns, bases and artillery


The point that Russia would start a nuclear war over the no-fly zone is bullshit because in the past Turkey has already shot down Russian planes in Syria.

Not to mention a NATO state (The Netherlands) already lost a plane with about 300 passengers when the Russians shot it out of the sky (and then launched a misinformation campaign to blame others).
Based on that alone NATO has had the right to impose a no-fly zone or even invoke Article 5 against Russia since 2014.


The situation with the Migs also makes no sense at all. I mean, Ukraine could also source Migs from elsewhere, maybe some other country wants to sell them their Migs.
It's like some insane demented version of Risk that Ukraine can have Stingers and Starstreak missile systems but not Mig 29's.

Especially since those Polish Migs were once sold from Germany to Poland for a symbolic €1 each.
Quote
In September 2003, 22 of the 23 remaining machines were sold to the Polish Air Force for the symbolic price of €1 per item.[104] The last aircraft were transferred in August 2004.
Now you understand why the Poles jumped on the opportunity to get some free modernized F16's

the image that will shock the world into action
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNcKGhHXIAMnBUG?format=jpg)
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 09, 2022, 06:42:23 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 09, 2022, 06:34:18 PM
Putin bombed a maternity hospital today killing children and pregnant women so that has moved the needle on the No Fly Zone a bit.

Anyway, the no-fly zone has 3 uses.
1. Russia won't be able to shoot cruise missiles and ballistic missiles into Ukraine as they are doing now as those could be intercepted (or pose a serious threat to patrolling NATO aircraft)

2. Russia wouldn't be able to keep bombing Ukrainian cities with planes

3. Ukraine could mount counter attacks which is now difficult as Russian helicopters and planes also protect their columns, bases and artillery


The point that Russia would start a nuclear war over the no-fly zone is bullshit because in the past Turkey has already shot down Russian planes in Syria.

Not to mention a NATO state (The Netherlands) already lost a plane with about 300 passengers when the Russians shot it out of the sky (and then launched a misinformation campaign to blame others).
Based on that alone NATO has had the right to impose a no-fly zone or even invoke Article 5 against Russia since 2014.


The situation with the Migs also makes no sense at all. I mean, Ukraine could also source Migs from elsewhere, maybe some other country wants to sell them their Migs.
It's like some insane demented version of Risk that Ukraine can have Stingers and Starstreak missile systems but not Mig 29's.

Especially since those Polish Migs were once sold from Germany to Poland for a symbolic €1 each.
Quote
In September 2003, 22 of the 23 remaining machines were sold to the Polish Air Force for the symbolic price of €1 per item.[104] The last aircraft were transferred in August 2004.
Now you understand why the Poles jumped on the opportunity to get some free modernized F16's

the image that will shock the world into action
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNcKGhHXIAMnBUG?format=jpg)
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MH17 was a Malaysia Airlines flight. There was just a fuckload of Dutch on board.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2022, 06:47:17 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 09, 2022, 06:34:18 PM
1. Russia won't be able to shoot cruise missiles and ballistic missiles into Ukraine as they are doing now as those could be intercepted (or pose a serious threat to patrolling NATO aircraft)
lmao

Quote
Based on that alone NATO has had the right to impose a no-fly zone or even invoke Article 5 against Russia since 2014.
lmao
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2022, 06:52:27 PM
Nintex wants NATO to risk a war with Russia in defense of a non-NATO country justified by the shooting down of a different non-NATO country's plane eight years ago on the premise of "well, they didn't nuke Turkey"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 09, 2022, 06:54:46 PM
Sometimes Nintex hits, sometimes he misses.
 :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2022, 06:56:20 PM
"Just intercept the missiles."
                   /
 :snob
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 09, 2022, 06:56:45 PM
Quote from: Potato on March 09, 2022, 06:42:23 PM

MH17 was a Malaysia Airlines flight. There was just a fuckload of Dutch on board.
That's why we very much consider it a Dutch flight.
The criminal proceedings against the suspects actually started March 7th.
But the investigation and all the evidence has pretty much proven it was the Russian military.

Back in the day our air mobile brigade was already mobilized to go and secure the crash site but the decision to deploy was eventually cancelled in favor of diplomacy.

Quote from: benjipwns on March 09, 2022, 06:52:27 PM
Nintex wants NATO to risk a war with Russia in defense of a non-NATO country justified by the shooting down of a different non-NATO country's plane eight years ago on the premise of "well, they didn't nuke Turkey"
It can be a limited no-fly zone in the west of the country to create a safezone for refugees and those fleeing the conflict.
As Ukraine pushes the Russians back we expand it to Kyiv.

And like I said before we can also put a much bigger pressure on Belarus than Russia.
Lukashenka is only out to save his own ass. Just cut Belarus off completely because of the new nuclear threat after that bullshit vote.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2022, 07:02:30 PM
Russia is apparently interested in using chemical weapons:
https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy/status/1501642645403320330
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 09, 2022, 07:07:24 PM
What Putin and the Russian leadership don't seem to understand is that you can't spend 20 years fostering internet trolls and hackers to disrupt western online services and social media and then expect people to believe your bullshit about a war that you started.

Putin, or at least the cronies around him, really seem to have fallen down their own conspiracy rabbit hole.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 09, 2022, 07:08:28 PM
What if Iran agrees to maintain a no fly zone and in return the west drops sanctions?

Win win win
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on March 09, 2022, 07:51:49 PM
Just let the Dutch start a peacekeeping mission in Ukraine, that worked well in Bosnia.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on March 09, 2022, 07:56:32 PM
I would be in support of  nuking most European countries, if they weren't so goddamn close.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2022, 08:14:42 PM
https://twitter.com/gbrumfiel/status/1501633729097306122

There seems to be some confusion about what state they're the military for.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 09, 2022, 10:01:15 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNcuyS3WUAE_qRH?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 10, 2022, 12:38:25 AM
https://twitter.com/BBCr4today/status/1501500941069164546

 :derp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: chronovore on March 10, 2022, 01:23:39 AM
Quote from: Nintex on March 09, 2022, 12:29:06 PM
I'm glad that even on the eve of World War III the brits manage to organize a political scandal :rejoice

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1501158068020822018 (https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1501158068020822018)

https://twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/1501575283928752134 (https://twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/1501575283928752134)
:snob
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 10, 2022, 01:54:19 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 10, 2022, 12:38:25 AM
https://twitter.com/BBCr4today/status/1501500941069164546

 :derp
These are the Russian equivalent of Trumpists...except that Putin has been in power for decades rather than for just 4 years.

Make no mistake, if Trump were in power for the same period, the US would be subject to the same level of delusion. Hell, it only took 8 years of George W (and a couple of planes) for Americans to justify and celebrate the wholesale slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi and Afghan people.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 10, 2022, 03:38:22 AM
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1501823556686123008 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1501823556686123008)

 :badass
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on March 10, 2022, 07:29:18 AM
https://twitter.com/marcbennetts1/status/1501597855399792644
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on March 10, 2022, 07:58:43 AM
Quote
Lavrov dismisses 'pathetic outcry' over hospital bombing

Returning to the Russian foreign minister's press conference, Sergei Lavrov is asked how Russia can justify the bombing of a maternity ward and children's hospital.

Lavrov says it is "not the first time we see pathetic outcries concerning the so-called atrocities perpetrated by the Russian military".

He says the Russian delegation told the UN security council three days ago that the hospital had been "taken over" by Ukrainian radicals and "all the mothers and nurses were chased out of there".

He says public opinion is being manipulated worldwide.

Lavrov describes reports on western media channels as "very emotional" and says the other side of the situation is not being considered.

Sounds legit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 10, 2022, 11:07:37 AM
Quote from: Raist on March 10, 2022, 07:58:43 AM
Quote
Lavrov dismisses 'pathetic outcry' over hospital bombing

Returning to the Russian foreign minister's press conference, Sergei Lavrov is asked how Russia can justify the bombing of a maternity ward and children's hospital.

Lavrov says it is "not the first time we see pathetic outcries concerning the so-called atrocities perpetrated by the Russian military".

He says the Russian delegation told the UN security council three days ago that the hospital had been "taken over" by Ukrainian radicals and "all the mothers and nurses were chased out of there".

He says public opinion is being manipulated worldwide.

Lavrov describes reports on western media channels as "very emotional" and says the other side of the situation is not being considered.

Sounds legit.

Theyre just copying and pasting the PR Israel gives whenever they kill woman and children
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on March 10, 2022, 12:36:09 PM
Quote from: Kurt Russell on March 10, 2022, 07:29:18 AM
https://twitter.com/marcbennetts1/status/1501597855399792644

:salute
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 10, 2022, 04:26:44 PM
https://twitter.com/remilitari/status/1502012187627433986
https://twitter.com/PFJReaper/status/1501989168951574538

 :rollsafe
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 10, 2022, 04:27:00 PM
The Russians don't even pick up their dead.

https://twitter.com/sommervilletv/status/1502000265490227206 (https://twitter.com/sommervilletv/status/1502000265490227206)

Lavrov today said that Russia didn't attack Ukraine, so I say we start bombing the terrorists who are attacking Ukraine as they are clearly not Russian.


In Kyiv former head of the secret service (traitor) killed when resisting arrest
https://twitter.com/RuslanM77/status/1502028175068602378 (https://twitter.com/RuslanM77/status/1502028175068602378)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 10, 2022, 05:16:58 PM
From 1999, about special operations...

Quote
Clinton Deploys Very Special Forces To Iraq

reparing for another possible showdown with Iraq, President Clinton deployed more than 15,000 very special U.S. forces to the Persian Gulf region Tuesday.

Clinton said the objective of the mission, dubbed Operation Great Job!, is twofold: to keep pressure on Saddam Hussein to permit the return of U.N. weapons inspectors, and to provide America's very special forces with a positive, rewarding, esteem-building experience.

"With Operation Great Job!, we send the message loud and clear to Saddam Hussein that his open defiance of the United Nations and international law will not be tolerated," Clinton said. "We also send the equally important message to our own troops that what's important is not whether you defeat the enemy, but that you try your best and have fun."

Added Clinton: "Hooray, U.S. troops!"

At a Pentagon press conference, Secretary of Defense William Cohen expressed confidence that the mission will be successful. "I have full faith that our troops will do a terrific job in Iraq," Cohen said, "but even if they make a few mistakes, we'll still be very, very proud of them."

https://www.theonion.com/clinton-deploys-very-special-forces-to-iraq-1819565019
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 10, 2022, 07:49:02 PM
WARNING: Horrific War Crime Inside
https://twitter.com/IanKahn/status/1501949115755761667
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on March 10, 2022, 07:55:52 PM
:jeanluc :notlikethis :shaking :cornette :joker :info :wut
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 10, 2022, 09:05:07 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 10, 2022, 07:49:02 PM
WARNING: Horrific War Crime Inside
https://twitter.com/IanKahn/status/1501949115755761667
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Look, it's a bit insulting to compare Boris Johnson with Drax the Destroyer. I mean, Drax is dumb, but he's not Boris Johnson-dumb.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 11, 2022, 03:43:25 AM
New enemy type: Black Nazi's
https://twitter.com/LostWeapons/status/1502122734729383941 (https://twitter.com/LostWeapons/status/1502122734729383941)

Finally some diversity in the roster
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 11, 2022, 05:44:57 PM
https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1502347485091618816 (https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1502347485091618816)

https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1502232208781762560 (https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1502232208781762560)

This war is complete insanity

Putin has also moved against the FSB in Russia who he holds responsible for the failure.
https://twitter.com/meduza_en/status/1502350142812340224 (https://twitter.com/meduza_en/status/1502350142812340224)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 11, 2022, 06:15:15 PM
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1502414180208492547 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1502414180208492547)

The Russians just 'stole' the largest Nuclear Power Plant in Europe.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: OnlyRegret on March 11, 2022, 10:55:33 PM
anywhere to catch the latest summary of what the situation is like, I don't want to comb through tweets for hours
what I'm basically saying, who has got the latest tweet-chain of current affairs
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 12, 2022, 04:25:34 AM
The Russians are preparing a direct assault on Kyiv.
Last night they used strategic bombers to fire cruise missiles at bases and airports. Mariupol is still under siege.
The death toll is rising fast and is estimated at 10 000 civilian deaths in Mariupol, which could double soon.

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1502547855092944899 (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1502547855092944899)

The Russians are shelling hospitals, churches, mosques, residential areas and schools. Some villages have been completely destroyed. They've also started to arrest mayors and other officials.

Ukraine is putting up a great defense but time is on Russia's side and diplomacy is going nowhere. There is also real fear that Russia might use chemical weapons are cause a radiation leak.

While all eyes are on the city small villages are wiped from the map
https://twitter.com/Bobbi0987/status/1502569248534761474 (https://twitter.com/Bobbi0987/status/1502569248534761474)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on March 12, 2022, 06:17:30 AM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on March 11, 2022, 10:55:33 PM
anywhere to catch the latest summary of what the situation is like, I don't want to comb through tweets for hours
what I'm basically saying, who has got the latest tweet-chain of current affairs

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 12, 2022, 12:17:24 PM
Quote from: Kurt Russell on March 12, 2022, 06:17:30 AM
Fears Putin is moving to a scorched earth phase and plans to just level everything
This is just Russian military doctrine. They did the same thing in Georgia and Syria. U.S.-style precision isn't really a thing most militaries practice or have an interest in.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 12, 2022, 12:18:27 PM
More Western provocation against Russia:
https://twitter.com/olliecarroll/status/1502662910459400197

https://twitter.com/propornot/status/1502434140779556866
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 12, 2022, 12:19:32 PM
https://twitter.com/LevineJonathan/status/1502403883892629507

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/joelengel/status/1502424968738459649
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 12, 2022, 12:28:08 PM
https://twitter.com/TwinklingSingh/status/1502291535907463174

 :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: OnlyRegret on March 12, 2022, 03:20:50 PM
Thanks

Quote from: benjipwns on March 12, 2022, 12:17:24 PM
Quote from: Kurt Russell on March 12, 2022, 06:17:30 AM
Fears Putin is moving to a scorched earth phase and plans to just level everything
This is just Russian military doctrine. They did the same thing in Georgia and Syria. U.S.-style precision isn't really a thing most militaries practice or have an interest in.

They really are trying to be as awful as possible huh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on March 12, 2022, 04:12:27 PM
Maybe they're trying to save a little money by using all the older banned weapons first
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on March 12, 2022, 04:17:31 PM
This is my absolute favorite Ukraine War video so far:

https://twitter.com/TurnOffYourTvN1/status/1497653933782745089

 :neogaf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on March 12, 2022, 04:29:31 PM
Quote from: Kurt Russell on March 12, 2022, 04:17:31 PM
This is my absolute favorite Ukraine War video so far:

https://twitter.com/TurnOffYourTvN1/status/1497653933782745089

 :neogaf

https://youtu.be/Ag1o3koTLWM
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 12, 2022, 05:53:42 PM
US base in Erbil bombed by unknown enemy forces.

https://twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1502776499358863360 (https://twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1502776499358863360)

Attack seems more serious than the usual drone or rebel rocket

Ballistic missiles likely fired from Iran. Direct hits on the area of the US consulate in Erbil unclear if there are any casualties at this time.

https://twitter.com/by_Ukraine/status/1502783136278753288 (https://twitter.com/by_Ukraine/status/1502783136278753288)

https://twitter.com/HamdiCelikbas/status/1502784032920190979 (https://twitter.com/HamdiCelikbas/status/1502784032920190979)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNr1SQYXoAA0JCe?format=jpg)

:pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 12, 2022, 06:31:55 PM
https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1502673952572854278?s=21
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 12, 2022, 06:52:07 PM
Quote
This explains all these strange phenomena such as thieves harassing the military bases, soldiers being forced into gay prostitution, etc. I don't think Putin personally ordered that (though he might). But he purposefully destroys the army mythos, to eliminate a rival for power

:wut

The Russian military basically being the bottom bitches in the state was pretty obvious when you look at their 'regular' equipment vs. what Kadyrov and his men carry.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 12, 2022, 09:40:29 PM
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1502698370443448326

This seems incorrect.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 12, 2022, 09:56:36 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 12, 2022, 05:53:42 PM
US base in Erbil bombed by unknown enemy forces.

https://twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1502776499358863360 (https://twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1502776499358863360)

Attack seems more serious than the usual drone or rebel rocket

Ballistic missiles likely fired from Iran. Direct hits on the area of the US consulate in Erbil unclear if there are any casualties at this time.

https://twitter.com/by_Ukraine/status/1502783136278753288 (https://twitter.com/by_Ukraine/status/1502783136278753288)

https://twitter.com/HamdiCelikbas/status/1502784032920190979 (https://twitter.com/HamdiCelikbas/status/1502784032920190979)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNr1SQYXoAA0JCe?format=jpg)

:pika
Putin really trying to drag the US into it directly.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: OnlyRegret on March 13, 2022, 12:45:03 AM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on March 12, 2022, 06:31:55 PM
https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1502673952572854278?s=21

fascinating
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 13, 2022, 07:16:23 AM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on March 13, 2022, 12:45:03 AM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on March 12, 2022, 06:31:55 PM
https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1502673952572854278?s=21

fascinating
That actually was fascinating. It will be interesting to see if it plays out that way.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 13, 2022, 02:19:49 PM
https://twitter.com/wassimoraby/status/1502257915398438917 (https://twitter.com/wassimoraby/status/1502257915398438917)

Moldova is fucked if the Russians push forward.

The Russians bombed a training ground close to the Polish border today.
Mostly in use by the foreign legion.

The lines in Kyiv are cracking after 2 weeks of fighting

https://twitter.com/nolanwpeterson/status/1503005564313346057 (https://twitter.com/nolanwpeterson/status/1503005564313346057)

NYT journalist and film maker killed by the Russian orcs
https://twitter.com/JaneFerguson5/status/1503000669153808387 (https://twitter.com/JaneFerguson5/status/1503000669153808387)

This is a good follow, a reporter on the ground who is posting a report on the situation in Kyiv every day
https://twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/status/1502903095063457793 (https://twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/status/1502903095063457793)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on March 13, 2022, 04:02:21 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 12, 2022, 06:52:07 PM
Quote
This explains all these strange phenomena such as thieves harassing the military bases, soldiers being forced into gay prostitution, etc. I don't think Putin personally ordered that (though he might). But he purposefully destroys the army mythos, to eliminate a rival for power

:wut

The Russian military basically being the bottom bitches in the state was pretty obvious when you look at their 'regular' equipment vs. what Kadyrov and his men carry.

this seems like a severe misunderstanding of what a bottom bitch is
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 13, 2022, 06:58:52 PM
https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1503098131881373705 (https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1503098131881373705)

Russia wants China to come and help them lose.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 13, 2022, 07:20:09 PM
Unconfirmed reports that after droning their command post Ukraine surrounded a force of 200 Russian vehicles(!) at Melitopol and destroyed them all.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 13, 2022, 07:21:48 PM
If China can persuade Russia to invade Poland, they get to do whatever they want in the pacific.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 13, 2022, 07:38:45 PM
China would be fucking stupid if they stay on team Z or increase their support but they probably will and nuke their own economy and suffer from a famine in the process.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 13, 2022, 07:52:02 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 13, 2022, 07:38:45 PM
China would be fucking stupid if they stay on team Z or increase their support but they probably will and nuke their own economy and suffer from a famine in the process.

Getting back Taiwan is worth a decade long depression
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on March 14, 2022, 01:34:31 AM
Quote from: james on March 13, 2022, 07:52:02 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 13, 2022, 07:38:45 PM
China would be fucking stupid if they stay on team Z or increase their support but they probably will and nuke their own economy and suffer from a famine in the process.

Getting back Taiwan is worth a decade long depression

Yeah but then you get ownership of Asus. Worth the depression.

 :winning
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 14, 2022, 07:50:20 AM
Quote from: Sman on March 14, 2022, 01:34:31 AM
Quote from: james on March 13, 2022, 07:52:02 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 13, 2022, 07:38:45 PM
China would be fucking stupid if they stay on team Z or increase their support but they probably will and nuke their own economy and suffer from a famine in the process.

Getting back Taiwan is worth a decade long depression

Yeah but then you get ownership of Asus. Worth the depression.

 :winning

"You won't have any computer chips"

"They'll blow them off the face of the earth"  :existential

https://twitter.com/ShowDelBirologo/status/1500528245325934597 (https://twitter.com/ShowDelBirologo/status/1500528245325934597)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on March 14, 2022, 08:49:03 AM
https://twitter.com/ExodiacKiller/status/1503085800187219973
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on March 14, 2022, 08:52:40 AM
russian mustard go fuck yourself
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 14, 2022, 09:25:46 AM
Meanwhile in that other dictatorship

https://twitter.com/johnchenghc/status/1503284478554554368 (https://twitter.com/johnchenghc/status/1503284478554554368)

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1503356543315714058 (https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1503356543315714058)

China is meeting with the US in Rome today.
They would be wise to join us in squeezing Russia and get a piece of the pie when it collapses as opposed to being our enemies.  8)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2022, 10:42:43 AM
Elon's going to fight for Ukraine:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FN0KCCKXsAELGNm?format=png&name=small)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2022, 10:56:48 AM
Russia proving itself to be based yet again unlike weak failed America:
https://twitter.com/StefSimanowitz/status/1502997272505823235
https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1502761903046774786
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2022, 11:41:32 AM
Potato explain:
https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1502732674426978309
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2022, 11:42:41 AM
https://twitter.com/atothe_d/status/1502719520569442308
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on March 14, 2022, 12:52:37 PM
I don't want to be beheaded
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on March 14, 2022, 01:16:03 PM
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/748231236002250752/952978202429648916/6c5d37f7-0d80-44c9-b3c8-81862f46a593-jpeg.png?width=806&height=1288)
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/748231236002250752/952978202727448646/d604cdd1-02c8-43c4-813f-54641c028f47-jpeg.png)

The Toyota BMW wars
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on March 14, 2022, 01:47:36 PM
shouldn't it be de-headed?

we don't be-escalate situations and go on a betox diet  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 14, 2022, 04:33:06 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 14, 2022, 11:41:32 AM
Potato explain:
https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1502732674426978309
Sydney. Basically, we should build a giant bulldozer and push the whole thing into the harbour, including the people.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2022, 05:16:31 PM
https://twitter.com/mog7546/status/1503465506912804869

Why would you even bother reporting on it? Wouldn't it be easier to just pretend it didn't happen?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on March 14, 2022, 05:20:21 PM
I guess since it was live they had to acknowledge it because not acknowledging it would just prove her point.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on March 14, 2022, 05:34:16 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 14, 2022, 05:16:31 PM
https://twitter.com/mog7546/status/1503465506912804869

Why would you even bother reporting on it? Wouldn't it be easier to just pretend it didn't happen?

Listen, these guys bought a couple hundred bucks worth of facebook ads and managed to get Trump elected singlehandedly, maybe be less condescending about their media savvy, okay?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on March 14, 2022, 06:19:38 PM
https://twitter.com/RuairiWood/status/1503391933514792966

Seems like going to a warzone for reddit upvotes is not the greatest idea
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on March 14, 2022, 06:24:50 PM
The Ukrainians probably let it slide to not lose the propaganda war in the west, but when these guys packed up and left, they could have gotten arrested and tried.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 14, 2022, 06:26:58 PM
https://twitter.com/MarQs__/status/1503426641787301892
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2022, 06:29:56 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on March 14, 2022, 06:19:38 PM
Seems like going to a warzone for reddit upvotes is not the greatest idea
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FN0miQMXMAkq846?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2022, 06:32:24 PM
https://twitter.com/root_of_all_eli/status/1503400966216855553
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on March 14, 2022, 06:32:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-LRS9A-rW4
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on March 14, 2022, 06:33:46 PM
@TheRealZelensky
I just got here and there doesn't appear to be a drone strike app for iOS, do I really have to switch to android even though I am already invested in the Apple ecosystem? Please fix this ASAP.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on March 14, 2022, 06:38:34 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on March 14, 2022, 06:19:38 PM
Seems like going to a warzone for reddit upvotes is not the greatest idea

reading a little about this (grain of salt with how information gets disseminated online) it sounds like there was zero opsec, apparently anyone who emailed the ukrainian embassy in the UK was sent the location of the foreign legion training facility so the russians probably knew where to bomb for weeks
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2022, 06:42:03 PM
@TheRealZelensky
Will there be training on how to operate farm machinery to steal Russian anti-air support? I could lead, I did urban gardening for a week for the co-op in Brooklyn.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 14, 2022, 06:47:59 PM
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1503481049820581888 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1503481049820581888)

No boat zone
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on March 14, 2022, 06:49:34 PM
@TheRealZelensky
I can work in the propaganda department, I can use imgflip meme generator and once got 30 likes on a neogaf splinter forum.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 14, 2022, 06:59:25 PM
Ukraine claims they shot down a Russian drone after it had entered Polish airspace

https://twitter.com/L0gg0l/status/1503503744612319237 (https://twitter.com/L0gg0l/status/1503503744612319237)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 14, 2022, 07:05:57 PM
Putin stole 500 planes today
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1503505488759119874 (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1503505488759119874)

Macron also going for the 'war' look
https://twitter.com/HayesBrown/status/1503378578037256196 (https://twitter.com/HayesBrown/status/1503378578037256196)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2022, 07:19:21 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/v5JLiiA.png)

Who made this? Gross, just gross. Not funny in the slightest. Would never laugh at such a disgusting image. Just look at this image, someone actually made this. I'm so upset.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on March 14, 2022, 07:26:06 PM
Globohomo? :camby
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2022, 07:27:46 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ZZCDGjd.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 14, 2022, 07:30:29 PM
Elon Musk has challenged Putin to a 1 on 1 fight over Ukraine  :doge

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1503338552016482308 (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1503338552016482308)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on March 14, 2022, 07:47:00 PM
Ok I finally hate Elon
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 14, 2022, 08:18:59 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 14, 2022, 07:05:57 PM
Macron also going for the 'war' look
https://twitter.com/HayesBrown/status/1503378578037256196 (https://twitter.com/HayesBrown/status/1503378578037256196)

It's pretty much a competition between Macron and whoever the German shithead is for who has come off worse in this crisis.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: OnlyRegret on March 14, 2022, 08:59:23 PM
The utter bloodlust coming from everywhere directed at russians is almost amazing
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 14, 2022, 09:47:03 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 14, 2022, 06:32:24 PM
https://twitter.com/root_of_all_eli/status/1503400966216855553 (https://twitter.com/root_of_all_eli/status/1503400966216855553)
Lol. Is there a surer indication that someone is a complete fuckstick than a twatter blue check mark?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2022, 10:44:06 PM
Quote from: Uncle on March 14, 2022, 06:32:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-LRS9A-rW4
I'm pretty sure this guy is a racist. Like literally made a video where he just says racist things. For "laughs" or whatever.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on March 15, 2022, 04:11:32 AM
Quote from: Nintex on March 14, 2022, 07:05:57 PM
Macron also going for the 'war' look
https://twitter.com/HayesBrown/status/1503378578037256196 (https://twitter.com/HayesBrown/status/1503378578037256196)

Still not sure if I trust Macron. He is into older women, just like chrischan.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 15, 2022, 07:13:16 AM
https://twitter.com/bopanc/status/1503658559053119491 (https://twitter.com/bopanc/status/1503658559053119491)

Heading there by train
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on March 15, 2022, 09:55:26 AM
Quote from: who is ted danson? on March 15, 2022, 04:11:32 AM
Still not sure if I trust Macron. He is into older women, just like chrischan.

That comparison is a bit harsh on CWC as he's nowhere near as autistic as Macron is.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on March 15, 2022, 12:14:38 PM
https://twitter.com/anastasia_maga/status/1503710482485727234

Is this for real?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 15, 2022, 03:04:19 PM
https://www.deviantart.com/search?q=sonic+ukraine

 :salute
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on March 15, 2022, 03:09:55 PM
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/208166656059506689/953369414311489626/df0sv5g-273544cf-89f8-4497-b10f-ba111989dadb.png)

:dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on March 15, 2022, 03:36:32 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 14, 2022, 07:30:29 PM
Elon Musk has challenged Putin to a 1 on 1 fight over Ukraine  :doge

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1503338552016482308 (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1503338552016482308)

(https://i.imgflip.com/68s10v.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on March 15, 2022, 04:57:33 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on March 15, 2022, 03:09:55 PM
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/208166656059506689/953369414311489626/df0sv5g-273544cf-89f8-4497-b10f-ba111989dadb.png)

:dead

(https://abload.de/img/rus_knuckles4ukh6.jpg)

 :what

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on March 15, 2022, 05:02:01 PM
Now Elon is gonna have Chechen death squads hunting him until he is, well, dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 15, 2022, 05:37:47 PM
While under threat of Russian bombs and missiles in Kyiv the prime ministers of Poland, Czechia and Slovenia call for a NATO peacekeeping mission in Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1503847327521554435 (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1503847327521554435)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 15, 2022, 06:01:12 PM
Zelensky calls for a complete shutdown of trade with Russia and calls out Nestle, Societe Generale and a number of other corpo's still doing business in or with Russia.
He also once stresses the need for a no-fly zone and to the countries that signed the Budapest Memorandum to keep their word and defend Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1503821231308558348 (https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1503821231308558348)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 15, 2022, 06:36:37 PM
Quote from: Propagandhim on March 15, 2022, 12:14:38 PM
https://twitter.com/anastasia_maga/status/1503710482485727234

Is this for real?
They're technically holding the entire city hostage.

Just like the Chernobyl plant
https://twitter.com/drewhinshaw/status/1503782149949952012 (https://twitter.com/drewhinshaw/status/1503782149949952012)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: chronovore on March 15, 2022, 06:48:07 PM
https://youtu.be/8LkXnEPK3GM
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 15, 2022, 07:46:28 PM
https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/1503873772880859139 (https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/1503873772880859139)

After more than 2 weeks of fighting the Russians still do stupid shit like this  :doge

Quote from: BisMarckie on March 15, 2022, 03:09:55 PM
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/208166656059506689/953369414311489626/df0sv5g-273544cf-89f8-4497-b10f-ba111989dadb.png)

:dead
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FN0xvR6VUAAouQw?format=jpg)

#stopputin #nowar #remembernorussian #slavaukraini #slavatails #noflyzone

No Fly Zone

I like how Poland is proposing their own version of a 'special military operation'
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1503892372282695681 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1503892372282695681)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 15, 2022, 08:47:23 PM
https://twitter.com/jljzen/status/1503894837061332995 (https://twitter.com/jljzen/status/1503894837061332995)

:juche
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: chronovore on March 15, 2022, 09:47:31 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 15, 2022, 08:47:23 PM
https://twitter.com/jljzen/status/1503894837061332995 (https://twitter.com/jljzen/status/1503894837061332995)

:juche

Fuckin' Li'l Kim still hoping sempai will notice him.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 16, 2022, 06:24:06 AM
https://twitter.com/Jack_Blanchard_/status/1504032384265691136 (https://twitter.com/Jack_Blanchard_/status/1504032384265691136)

Apparently Boris Johnson provides the comic relief to the Saudi court
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 16, 2022, 08:07:24 AM
https://twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/status/1504064959591989252 (https://twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/status/1504064959591989252)

John Sweeney reports that the Russian army has been pushed back on the outskirts of Kyiv :pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2022, 09:34:40 AM
https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1504033307088109569

 :putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 16, 2022, 11:58:18 AM
https://twitter.com/polinaivanovva/status/1504088980501012484 (https://twitter.com/polinaivanovva/status/1504088980501012484)

Russia is expelled from the Council of Europe or rather it turned into a 'you didn't fire me, I quit!' situation

Human rights no longer apply to the Russian Federation.
Today they gunned down 10 people waiting for bread.

The ICJ has ordered Russia to immediately stop the war and has declared Russia's claims about a genocide in the donbass null and void.
https://twitter.com/euronews/status/1504124555148865539 (https://twitter.com/euronews/status/1504124555148865539)

Only 2 judges voted against: China and Russia.
These proceedings might seem meaningless but if additional (s)actions are taken against Russia (naval blockade, trade ban, military) these sort of rulings will pave the way.
Plus it establishes the legal framework for post-war lawsuits against the Russian military, war profiteers, oligarchs and the orcs in charge.

They used Russia's own bullshit against them. Because they 'justify' their invasion with a genocide the ICJ is able to pass judgment.
https://twitter.com/julianborger/status/1504114951383920641 (https://twitter.com/julianborger/status/1504114951383920641)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 16, 2022, 01:15:59 PM
 :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge

https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1504142139101483025

Nintex activate the early warning nuke text message system
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 16, 2022, 01:40:01 PM
https://twitter.com/PeterAlexander/status/1504148492389912583


Remember this for when President Trump Jr announces the US will invade Ukraine to fight all the armed nazis
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on March 16, 2022, 03:03:41 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/4mlyaxP.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HaughtyFrank on March 16, 2022, 04:30:35 PM
https://twitter.com/just_whatever/status/1504144895501557762

Putin giving super villain speeches
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 16, 2022, 05:01:22 PM
fois gras, oysters, gender freedoms

wait what
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Beezy on March 16, 2022, 05:09:43 PM
Guys...

https://twitter.com/DallasTexasTV/status/1504157531450580997
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on March 16, 2022, 06:04:00 PM
 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 16, 2022, 07:37:41 PM
Quote from: Beezy on March 16, 2022, 05:09:43 PM
Guys...

https://twitter.com/DallasTexasTV/status/1504157531450580997

This is the freedom we must protect against tyrants :salute

Today I had an opportunity to vote again in local elections for our municipality.
This allowed me to vote for the 'Party of Inhabitants' who campaigned on free parking, more affordable housing, lower taxes and some kind of real-estate fraud I didn't quite understand but there was a disclaimer on the website how they were totally not corrupt and not involved but some construction company had to pay back 6 million in damages they weren't entitled to.

Out of ~10 parties this party landed in 2nd place. Behind the party of our PM
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on March 16, 2022, 08:41:20 PM
Quote from: Uncle on March 16, 2022, 03:03:41 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/4mlyaxP.gif)

Why is this idiot equipping the keycard? It doesn't make sense :rage
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on March 16, 2022, 09:10:56 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on March 16, 2022, 08:41:20 PM
Quote from: Uncle on March 16, 2022, 03:03:41 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/4mlyaxP.gif)

Why is this idiot equipping the keycard? It doesn't make sense :rage

he switches to ration to heal but I don't know why he switches back

ukrainians would be more intelligent than to run around an active combat zone with a random keycard in their hand
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 17, 2022, 05:20:31 AM
https://twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/status/1504367927193124864 (https://twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/status/1504367927193124864)

Things are calming down around Kyiv but still absolute hell in Mariupol
https://twitter.com/JamWaterhouse/status/1504370661145387009 (https://twitter.com/JamWaterhouse/status/1504370661145387009)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 17, 2022, 06:22:32 AM
https://twitter.com/Gerjon_/status/1504373713860542466 (https://twitter.com/Gerjon_/status/1504373713860542466)

Lots of government planes leaving moscow
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on March 17, 2022, 07:18:40 AM
International soft power index updated:

(https://abload.de/img/fn8-ldtx0aqdncrauk70.png)

No Dutch, step up your game Nintex.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 17, 2022, 07:33:53 AM
Despite being a tax haven we froze just 6 million in Russian assets :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on March 17, 2022, 08:52:31 AM
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/russia-faces-it-crisis-with-just-two-months-of-data-storage-left/

 :whatisthis
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 17, 2022, 08:56:17 AM
Quote from: Nintex on March 17, 2022, 06:22:32 AM
https://twitter.com/Gerjon_/status/1504373713860542466 (https://twitter.com/Gerjon_/status/1504373713860542466)

Lots of government planes leaving moscow
Heading to China to prostrate themselves before daddy Xi?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 17, 2022, 09:45:32 AM
Quote from: Potato on March 17, 2022, 08:56:17 AM
Heading to China to prostrate themselves before daddy Xi?

I think theyre implying theyre heading to the nuke bunkers
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on March 17, 2022, 09:46:35 AM
Quote from: Nintex on March 17, 2022, 07:33:53 AM
Despite being a tax haven we froze just 6 million in Russian assets :dead

Russia's entire wooden clog stocks frozen abroad, the country is screwed.

 :-X
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on March 17, 2022, 10:24:00 AM
Quote from: Kurt Russell on March 17, 2022, 07:18:40 AM
International soft power index updated:

(https://abload.de/img/fn8-ldtx0aqdncrauk70.png)

No Dutch, step up your game Nintex.

Lets get our empire back chaps :gbcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 17, 2022, 11:52:33 AM
Reports that the number 2 of Putin's personal army has been arrested by the FSB or fired
https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1504440205352349700 (https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1504440205352349700)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 17, 2022, 12:14:26 PM
The number of people standing between Putin and the launch button is decreasing  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 17, 2022, 12:19:44 PM
https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1504464884334923779 (https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1504464884334923779)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2022, 12:54:51 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/FBCy4UM.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/JYVbAS8.jpg)

oops
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HaughtyFrank on March 17, 2022, 03:45:47 PM
Quote from: Uncle on March 17, 2022, 08:52:31 AM
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/russia-faces-it-crisis-with-just-two-months-of-data-storage-left/

 :whatisthis

Sorry Russia, no more 4k pirated movies, back to 480p
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2022, 04:02:54 PM
https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1504536809698693120
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2022, 04:13:37 PM
https://twitter.com/Schwarzenegger/status/1504426844199669762

https://twitter.com/JamesAALongman/status/1504382524503609348
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2022, 04:31:33 PM
https://twitter.com/SpiritofHo/status/1504159882743844864

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/ClintonAlden/status/1504182221120450573
https://twitter.com/goat_ros/status/1504310046020501510
https://twitter.com/sabowsky/status/1504536021190406165
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2022, 04:38:06 PM
https://twitter.com/datnofact/status/1503785010570088451

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/clostinthought/status/1504165837707558916
https://twitter.com/aarondgtl/status/1503834208627675136
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 17, 2022, 05:57:25 PM
The head of Russian state TV Konstantin Ernst is fired or resigned. In any case he's out too.

That's the second high profile regime resignation in a day.

In another surprising development the Chinese state propaganda no longer echoes the Russian propaganda.
Instead they focus on war crimes and destruction brought about by the war and the profiteering of arms dealers.

https://twitter.com/fangshimin/status/1504352036808056832 (https://twitter.com/fangshimin/status/1504352036808056832)

China also pulled support from a Russian UN resolution about the Donbass genocide.
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1504576308239474689 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1504576308239474689)

It looks like the Chinese might be getting smart.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 17, 2022, 06:21:14 PM
The Chinese are nothing if they're not cunning -- Abraham Lincoln
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on March 17, 2022, 07:04:42 PM
(https://abload.de/img/foeqymcx0aquwg_lzkkt.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2022, 07:20:26 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 17, 2022, 12:54:51 PM
oops
oh god they tried to fix it :existential
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FN-aMk2WQAI2LtU?format=jpg&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FN-aMkzXMAUrcau?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2022, 07:42:23 PM
https://twitter.com/jbuhl35/status/1504284347762941957

Shouldn't have a password. :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: OnlyRegret on March 17, 2022, 08:31:04 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 17, 2022, 04:31:33 PM
https://twitter.com/SpiritofHo/status/1504159882743844864

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/ClintonAlden/status/1504182221120450573
https://twitter.com/goat_ros/status/1504310046020501510
https://twitter.com/sabowsky/status/1504536021190406165
[close]

interesting how there is basically two and only two groups of non-russians backing russia
the alt-right cluster, and some segment of online commies
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 17, 2022, 09:04:23 PM
https://twitter.com/JesseRodriguez/status/1504578657687375872 (https://twitter.com/JesseRodriguez/status/1504578657687375872)

More signs that China is not going to join the losing team
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 17, 2022, 09:32:57 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 17, 2022, 07:20:26 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 17, 2022, 12:54:51 PM
oops
oh god they tried to fix it :existential
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FN-aMk2WQAI2LtU?format=jpg&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FN-aMkzXMAUrcau?format=jpg&name=small)
What am I missing?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2022, 09:36:42 PM
Ukraine flag is blue on top of yellow. They did it upside down, then tried to poorly edit a bunch of the signs (but not all) to fix it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 17, 2022, 10:03:44 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 17, 2022, 09:36:42 PM
Ukraine flag is blue on top of yellow. They did it upside down, then tried to poorly edit a bunch of the signs (but not all) to fix it.

Oh...seems like one of those things you just take the mea culpa on and forget ever happened. Trying to fix it just amplifies your fuck up.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Forgetting about the stupidity of trying to fix it, but I'd be more pissed off if they didn't fix the one I was holding as it would make it look like I was the idiot who was holding it upside down.
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 17, 2022, 10:25:07 PM
https://twitter.com/CanadaUN/status/1504464863510335488 (https://twitter.com/CanadaUN/status/1504464863510335488)


 :cancry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2022, 10:37:26 PM
https://twitter.com/Rrrrnessa/status/1504509579396268041
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 18, 2022, 07:44:28 AM
And now there's a direct threat to bomb Slovakia too
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1504770769066340354 (https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1504770769066340354)

Meanwhile Russia is dead set on further cratering its own economy with a 'purge'
https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1504759374828523545 (https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1504759374828523545)

Still, I think that what Russia wants (become a conservative/autocrat self-sufficient empire) is actually possible if China/India/Middle East remain 'neutral' or continue to support Moscow.
At this point the route to being a Christian Orthodox version of Iran still open.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 18, 2022, 09:26:46 AM
"Russia, Russia!" Muscovites gathered in Luzhniki for a large-scale concert in honor of the eighth anniversary of the entry of Crimea and Sevastopol into the Russian Federation.

https://twitter.com/sensocomum10/status/1504788473391239169 (https://twitter.com/sensocomum10/status/1504788473391239169)

https://twitter.com/sensocomum10/status/1504804105310687232 (https://twitter.com/sensocomum10/status/1504804105310687232)

https://twitter.com/EJ_Burrows/status/1504806152059633666 (https://twitter.com/EJ_Burrows/status/1504806152059633666)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 18, 2022, 05:11:11 PM
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1504920128600870915 (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1504920128600870915)

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1504920312407805960 (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1504920312407805960)

:salute

https://twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/status/1504908919721844739 (https://twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/status/1504908919721844739)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 18, 2022, 05:54:38 PM
https://twitter.com/catalintenita/status/1504346892251115524
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 18, 2022, 05:55:11 PM
https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1504642886406914052
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 18, 2022, 06:00:02 PM
Their propaganda to scare us into lockdowns isn't working anymore.
They need to paint some Z's on their hazmat suits for starters.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 18, 2022, 06:02:34 PM
https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1504812957338943490
https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1504830054869708800
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 18, 2022, 06:44:10 PM
It's just contentTM

Basically fascist b-roll footage with all the known tropes and stereo types.
Probably Surkov back in the drivers seat?

In 2021 Surkov already called for a war in Ukraine. His theory basically states that chaos abroad means stability and order in Russia.
https://khpg.org/en/1608809793 (https://khpg.org/en/1608809793)
Quote
“entropy in a closed system increases. In other others, chaos (disorder) never diminishes, but on the contrary almost always increases. And one consequently observes everywhere a chronic reduction in order and stability against a background of progressive turbulence and decay”.   
Quote
“Social entropy is very toxic. It’s not advisable to work with it in our domestic conditions.  It needs to be taken out somewhere far away.  To be exported for disposal on foreign territory.  <>  All empires do this.  Over the centuries the Russian state with its harsh and sedentary political interior was retained solely thanks to its ceaseless aspirations beyond its own borders. It has long forgotten, and probably never knew how to survive any other way. For Russia, constant expansion is not simply one of the ideas, but the existential reality of our historic existence”.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 18, 2022, 08:49:53 PM
https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1504969874044768258 (https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1504969874044768258)

China has sided with the Russians  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 19, 2022, 02:05:57 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 18, 2022, 05:55:11 PM
https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1504642886406914052
Absolutely normal behaviour
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 19, 2022, 06:28:55 AM
https://twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/status/1505089481988317187 (https://twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/status/1505089481988317187)

https://twitter.com/Biz_Ukraine_Mag/status/1504926225252425731 (https://twitter.com/Biz_Ukraine_Mag/status/1504926225252425731)


Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on March 19, 2022, 06:57:32 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 18, 2022, 05:55:11 PM
https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1504642886406914052

wHy CAnt we bE MORe LiKe chINa thEY HaVE thiS uNDeR ConTRoL  :gamergate
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 19, 2022, 07:12:13 AM
What plane of reality are we currently in again?

https://twitter.com/David_Cameron/status/1504871407607500803 (https://twitter.com/David_Cameron/status/1504871407607500803)

Russia already suffering from food shortages faster than the country they are invading
https://twitter.com/OnlineMagazin/status/1505111675858571266 (https://twitter.com/OnlineMagazin/status/1505111675858571266)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 19, 2022, 09:43:28 AM
Benji content

https://twitter.com/BillClinton/status/1504932025928667143 (https://twitter.com/BillClinton/status/1504932025928667143)

NATO bombing champs :salute

The CEO of Abu Ghraib
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 19, 2022, 02:29:30 PM
https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1505155921969881103 (https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1505155921969881103)

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on March 19, 2022, 02:38:49 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 19, 2022, 09:43:28 AM
Benji content

https://twitter.com/BillClinton/status/1504932025928667143 (https://twitter.com/BillClinton/status/1504932025928667143)

NATO bombing champs :salute

The CEO of Abu Ghraib

It was probably John Demjanjuk's church, so they could honour a fellow war criminal :snob
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 19, 2022, 03:03:00 PM
https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1505247457164382210 (https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1505247457164382210)

Tell me you don't understand the definition of human rights violations and war crimes without telling me you don't understand the definition of human rights violations and war crimes
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on March 19, 2022, 03:23:59 PM
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/dollar-yuan-china-russia-saudi-arabia-reserve-currency-oil-deal-2022-3
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 19, 2022, 03:37:08 PM
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1505258123434639360 (https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1505258123434639360)

absolute insanity
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on March 19, 2022, 05:39:39 PM
If this is true, please find a better source than a random twitter account making this claim without any proof.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 19, 2022, 06:11:17 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60806151

Russia claims first use of hypersonic Kinzhal missile in Ukraine
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 19, 2022, 07:28:20 PM
Quote from: Occam on March 19, 2022, 05:39:39 PM
If this is true, please find a better source than a random twitter account making this claim without any proof.
https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-19-22/h_2e9c8826cd040f8dd4d8a21c5b3b6283 (https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-19-22/h_2e9c8826cd040f8dd4d8a21c5b3b6283)

Quote
“Over the past week, several thousand Mariupol residents have been taken to Russian territory. The occupiers illegally took people from the Livoberezhny district and from the shelter in the sports club building, where more than a thousand people (mostly women and children) were hiding from the constant bombing,” the statement read.

There's multiple videos of Kadyrov's men 'liberating' citizens as well.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/Sentletse/status/1504817354076741642 (https://twitter.com/Sentletse/status/1504817354076741642)

https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1504921504860958723 (https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1504921504860958723)
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on March 19, 2022, 07:34:04 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 19, 2022, 07:28:20 PM
Quote from: Occam on March 19, 2022, 05:39:39 PM
If this is true, please find a better source than a random twitter account making this claim without any proof.
https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-19-22/h_2e9c8826cd040f8dd4d8a21c5b3b6283 (https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-19-22/h_2e9c8826cd040f8dd4d8a21c5b3b6283)

He said 'find a better source', not 'CNN'.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 19, 2022, 08:20:28 PM
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1505279094426058756 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1505279094426058756)

The distance from Latvia is shorter and they are already in NATO.

But please don't learn how to read maps before you launch your invasion of Taiwan.
Just paint some Z's on your boats so the Taiwanese know what to shoot at and enjoy the famine.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 20, 2022, 07:33:17 AM
Street to street tank battles in Mariupol.
https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1505461949999501312 (https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1505461949999501312)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 20, 2022, 08:13:55 AM
https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1505495372680073220 (https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1505495372680073220)
Azovstal steelworks bombed, the biggest of such plants in Europe.

https://twitter.com/FridaGhitis/status/1505513083095207941 (https://twitter.com/FridaGhitis/status/1505513083095207941)
Another bomb shelter bombed

Anti-tank missiles for defense are one thing but what Ukraine desperately needs are offensive weapons to break the sieges.
Mariupol is about 100km away from the main defense line of the UAF but very close to the Crimea and Russian border and is being defended by Azov.
There's no way they can hold out for weeks there unless they get serious back-up.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 20, 2022, 02:36:45 PM
Zelensky has a new message for the world.

Ukraine was beautiful but will become great

https://twitter.com/krishgm/status/1505583211702886411 (https://twitter.com/krishgm/status/1505583211702886411)

He has also ruled out any deal that involves conceding territory to Russia.

Big loss for Russia today, the Deputy Commander of the Black Sea fleat is KIA
https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1505612226392113159 (https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1505612226392113159)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 20, 2022, 03:07:29 PM
The purge is on in earnest!

How you going to lose a navy commander on dry land?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 20, 2022, 04:22:28 PM
Russia has given Mariupol it's ultimatum

https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1505628879138050055 (https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1505628879138050055)

Azov can surrender or die fighting to protect it.

The Russians bombed a large shopping center in Kyiv
https://twitter.com/OeyGeorge/status/1505684113290067968 (https://twitter.com/OeyGeorge/status/1505684113290067968)

Germany has made a deal with Qatar for their energy supply
https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1505631947795886080 (https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1505631947795886080)

https://twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/status/1505601137117909002 (https://twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/status/1505601137117909002)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: OnlyRegret on March 20, 2022, 08:27:00 PM
BoreCommies seem to not post anymore, and I don't recall any many alt-right user here. From what I've seen, commies and alt-righters are the two pro-russia groups

edit: I think I posted something like this before, whoops
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 20, 2022, 10:49:05 PM
https://twitter.com/Vain_Utopian/status/1505338873412468747
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on March 20, 2022, 10:52:31 PM
The US is not an imperialist country I guess :american
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on March 20, 2022, 10:55:37 PM
Also the German flag is anachronistic :hhh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 20, 2022, 11:35:12 PM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on March 20, 2022, 08:27:00 PM
From what I've seen, commies and alt-righters are the two pro-russia groups
Ironic isn't it? Especially considering Putin's regime is closer to Absolute Monarchy than either of those philosophies.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: OnlyRegret on March 20, 2022, 11:48:44 PM
this quote reply was funnier to me

https://twitter.com/MenshevikM/status/1505331736921751554
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 20, 2022, 11:59:17 PM
This one from the OP is great too

https://mobile.twitter.com/WiseTakes/status/1505348478418960391 (https://mobile.twitter.com/WiseTakes/status/1505348478418960391)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: OnlyRegret on March 21, 2022, 12:13:11 AM
 :shaking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 21, 2022, 12:20:05 AM
I also want to know why the Dutch get off Scott free?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on March 21, 2022, 02:53:58 AM
Quote from: Potato on March 21, 2022, 12:20:05 AM
I also want to know why the Dutch get off Scott free?

Nintex earned them enough good will to forget all that past unpleasantness.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 21, 2022, 03:07:19 AM
Quote from: BIONIC on March 21, 2022, 02:53:58 AM
Quote from: Potato on March 21, 2022, 12:20:05 AM
I also want to know why the Dutch get off Scott free?

Nintex earned them enough good will to forget all that past unpleasantness.
That Nazi? We should ban him again for the crime of posting tweets that make people feel uncomfortable...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 21, 2022, 06:04:17 AM
https://twitter.com/ronzheimer/status/1505792748196184065 (https://twitter.com/ronzheimer/status/1505792748196184065)
Aftermath of the strike on Kyiv

https://twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/status/1505808999047999490 (https://twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/status/1505808999047999490)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 21, 2022, 06:23:01 AM
Plane crash in China. It goes straight down :titus

https://twitter.com/Linempire1/status/1505841435677020161 (https://twitter.com/Linempire1/status/1505841435677020161)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on March 21, 2022, 07:22:14 AM
I hope they're okay
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on March 21, 2022, 07:54:20 AM
Another Boeing plane involved in a crash. Those things are death traps.

 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 21, 2022, 08:21:04 AM
Quote from: Nintex on March 21, 2022, 06:23:01 AM
Plane crash in China. It goes straight down :titus

https://twitter.com/Linempire1/status/1505841435677020161 (https://twitter.com/Linempire1/status/1505841435677020161)
The last few Boeing crashes have all been nosedives like that, right?


EDIT: Yep https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47812225
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on March 21, 2022, 09:07:27 AM
Fck me thats brutal

If it's Boeing I ain't going
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 21, 2022, 09:51:54 AM
:salute
https://twitter.com/ProudSocialist/status/1505532782038167565
https://twitter.com/SocialistMMA/status/1505542670948704256
https://twitter.com/richimedhurst/status/1505732332417912832
https://twitter.com/stealyoredbull/status/1505558617113645065
https://twitter.com/UnholyRom3/status/1505547131368710145
https://twitter.com/dilanpcook/status/1505656121230458883
https://twitter.com/RealScottRitter/status/1504082328477384704
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Svejk on March 21, 2022, 01:35:06 PM
People need to stop supporting and paying all these Ukraine fundraisers.  Their money is going nowhere to actually help the civilians there.  You’re being played just like all Americans paying taxes for years all to be handed out to other politicians spewing the same shit; different country.  Zalensky is just another POS reaching for celebrity status and is doing nothing for the country as a whole.  Ukraine has always been in a sad state of not having their own identity for centuries..  And America, among other countries, see this and have been exploiting it by inserting their own policies there and instigating rise ups for cover ups for years and years.   The unbridled hate towards Russia and Putin is so blind, ignorant and heated by the mainstream media, it’s disgusting. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 21, 2022, 02:15:17 PM
Members of the Bore!

I am excited to announce that the official SAVE THE UKRAINIANS Charity has been launched by the James Fund! DM me your cash on Venmo and you can be confident that all the money will go to help Ukrainians in need!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 21, 2022, 04:27:48 PM
Quote from: Svejk on March 21, 2022, 01:35:06 PM
People need to stop supporting and paying all these Ukraine fundraisers.  Their money is going nowhere to actually help the civilians there.  You’re being played just like all Americans paying taxes for years all to be handed out to other politicians spewing the same shit; different country.  Zalensky is just another POS reaching for celebrity status and is doing nothing for the country as a whole.  Ukraine has always been in a sad state of not having their own identity for centuries..  And America, among other countries, see this and have been exploiting it by inserting their own policies there and instigating rise ups for cover ups for years and years.   The unbridled hate towards Russia and Putin is so blind, ignorant and heated by the mainstream media, it’s disgusting. 
Is this a copypasta?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 21, 2022, 05:27:22 PM
Japan spots Russian amphibious ships traveling between its islands

Click for the pic, the Russian navy sure is something

https://news.yahoo.com/japan-spots-russian-amphibious-ships-161608407.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 21, 2022, 08:14:45 PM
Quote from: Svejk on March 21, 2022, 01:35:06 PM
People need to stop supporting and paying all these Ukraine fundraisers.  Their money is going nowhere to actually help the civilians there.  You’re being played just like all Americans paying taxes for years all to be handed out to other politicians spewing the same shit; different country.  Zalensky is just another POS reaching for celebrity status and is doing nothing for the country as a whole.  Ukraine has always been in a sad state of not having their own identity for centuries..  And America, among other countries, see this and have been exploiting it by inserting their own policies there and instigating rise ups for cover ups for years and years.   The unbridled hate towards Russia and Putin is so blind, ignorant and heated by the mainstream media, it’s disgusting.
Europe
- pacifist governments and foreign policy (support for the Iraq war was non-existent)
- cancelled missile shield after Russian protests
- invested heavily in Russian markets/banks and energy projects (NordStream 2)
(not to mention we helped them countless of times when disaster struck)

Russia
- invaded Georgia
- attempted a coup in Moldova
- pressured Yanukovich into not dealing with the EU
- actively aided regimes hostile to the EU (and by extension NATO)
- captured the Crimea
- shot down a plane carrying EU citizens, covered it up and then denied it
- created "rebel republics" in the Donbass
- created a border crisis along the Belarus/Polish border
- made a mockery out of the leadership of Germany/France/UK who feared an invasion would have dire consequences
- invaded Ukraine

No political meddling by the US or their allies can justify bombing Kyiv, Mariupol and Kharkiv.
The idea that Russia was wronged by the 'west' is utter bullshit.

Ukraine is not the same as it was in 2014. They've come along way to root out corruption on a local level and if you look at their government, it's mostly young people now.
People who want to have a future in the European Union and not join the ranks of the orcs that have descended on them.
Russia could've kept Crimea and they could've swapped out the 'rebels' for their own army in the east and annex that territory.
There would've been some sanctions and protests but nothing like what is happening now.

Ukraine was never a threat to Russia and the chances of Ukraine joining NATO or even the EU this decade were and still are slim.
What is clear is that they don't want to join Russia. The fact that Russia wasn't 'welcomed' in Kharkiv (probably the most pro-Russian city in Ukraine) tells enough.

This war exists for one reason only. Putin wants to reunite Ukraine with Russia and cleanse the cities of those that resist and stand in his way, much like he has done in Russia for the past 20 years.
Everyone in Europe thought that the 'Russian strong man' was merely a cover he needed domestically to keep a country as vast as Russia together and that Putin was a rational opportunist (who supports liberals, nationalists or conservatives when it suits him) at best and just lining his own pockets and those of his friends at worst. Most of all a bureaucrat you can do business with and Europe always feared that Putin would be replaced by someone (far) worse than him.

Turns out it's the other way around. The liberal Putin, nationalist Putin and conservative Putin were merely disguises to hide his true intentions and nature.

Quote
not having their own identity for centuries.
A direct result of the Holomodor and Russian migration policies, which meant rounding people up and dropping them in the middle of nowhere in the freezing cold of Siberia.
It's a miracle so much of Ukrainian culture even survived Stalin and the Nazi's. The Russians should not look what they lost when the communists gave the Crimea back to Ukraine but rather why they did it.
Which was to pay off a debt in blood that couldn't be repaid by a thousand Crimea's. Ukraine doesn't owe Russia or Putin anything.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 21, 2022, 08:43:27 PM
Oh he was serious?

What a fuckwit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: OnlyRegret on March 21, 2022, 08:43:57 PM
Quote from: Svejk on March 21, 2022, 01:35:06 PM
People need to stop supporting and paying all these Ukraine fundraisers.  Their money is going nowhere to actually help the civilians there.  You’re being played just like all Americans paying taxes for years all to be handed out to other politicians spewing the same shit; different country.  Zalensky is just another POS reaching for celebrity status and is doing nothing for the country as a whole.  Ukraine has always been in a sad state of not having their own identity for centuries..  And America, among other countries, see this and have been exploiting it by inserting their own policies there and instigating rise ups for cover ups for years and years.   The unbridled hate towards Russia and Putin is so blind, ignorant and heated by the mainstream media, it’s disgusting.

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: OnlyRegret on March 21, 2022, 08:49:01 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 21, 2022, 09:51:54 AM
:salute
https://twitter.com/ProudSocialist/status/1505532782038167565
https://twitter.com/SocialistMMA/status/1505542670948704256
https://twitter.com/richimedhurst/status/1505732332417912832
https://twitter.com/stealyoredbull/status/1505558617113645065
https://twitter.com/UnholyRom3/status/1505547131368710145
https://twitter.com/dilanpcook/status/1505656121230458883
https://twitter.com/RealScottRitter/status/1504082328477384704
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Some top comedy, courteous to nest all the tweets in a spoiler
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 21, 2022, 09:16:44 PM
Quote from: Potato on March 21, 2022, 08:43:27 PM
Oh he was serious?

What a fuckwit.
I dunno, it's just the narratives that keep coming up.

Same with the Chinese talking about nuclear weapons being too close to the Russian border.
They don't mention that the Russians let that shit rot in bunkers and silo's for years when Ukraine still had nukes and that Chernobyl happened under Russian supervision (and that they tried to cover that up too).

It was actually the west and by extension NATO that pushed for Ukraine to decommission their dangerous nuclear arsenal and in exchange Russia, US and the UK wouldn't invade.
They claim we are arming Ukraine while in fact we have been disarming it. And still there's reluctance to send anything but defensive weapons.
NATO is playing hot potato with about two dozen East German Mig 29's now in use by the Polish airforce as Russia shoots cruise missiles at homes, shopping malls and arts schools.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 22, 2022, 12:50:39 AM
Quote from: Svejk on March 21, 2022, 01:35:06 PM
People need to stop supporting and paying all these Ukraine fundraisers.  Their money is going nowhere to actually help the civilians there.  You’re being played just like all Americans paying taxes for years all to be handed out to other politicians spewing the same shit; different country.  Zalensky is just another POS reaching for celebrity status and is doing nothing for the country as a whole.  Ukraine has always been in a sad state of not having their own identity for centuries..  And America, among other countries, see this and have been exploiting it by inserting their own policies there and instigating rise ups for cover ups for years and years.   The unbridled hate towards Russia and Putin is so blind, ignorant and heated by the mainstream media, it’s disgusting. 

Maybe take your Russian state propaganda and shove it up your arse...

https://theconversation.com/putins-fascists-the-russian-states-long-history-of-cultivating-homegrown-neo-nazis-178535 (https://theconversation.com/putins-fascists-the-russian-states-long-history-of-cultivating-homegrown-neo-nazis-178535)

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Many commentators have already debunked Russian President Vladimir Putin’s absurd claim to be waging war to “de-nazify” Ukraine.

Some have pointed out the far right received only 2% of the vote in Ukraine’s 2019 parliamentary elections, far less than in most of Europe. Others have drawn attention to Ukraine’s Jewish president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, and the efforts of the Ukrainian state to protect minorities like Crimean Tatars and LGBTQ+ people, who are subject to brutal persecution in Russia.

What has received less coverage is the Putin regime’s own record of collaboration with far-right extremists. Even as Russian diplomats condemned “fascists” in the Baltic states and Kremlin propagandists railed against imaginary “Ukronazis” in power in Kyiv, the Russian state was cultivating its own homegrown Nazis.

The roots of neo-Nazism in Putin’s Russia
The origins of this relationship date to the late 1990s, when Russia was shaken by a wave of racist violence committed by neo-Nazi skinhead gangs. After Putin’s accession to the presidency in 2000, his regime exploited this development in two ways.

First, it used the neo-Nazi threat to justify the adoption of anti-extremism legislation, a longstanding demand of some Russian liberals. Ultimately, this legislation would be used to prosecute Russian democrats.

Second, the Kremlin launched “managed nationalism”, an attempt to co-opt and mobilise radical nationalist militants, including neo-Nazis, as a counterweight to an emerging anti-Putin coalition of democrats and leftist radicals.

Moving Together, a pro-Putin youth organisation notorious for its campaign against postmodernist literature, made the first move by reaching out to OB88, the most powerful skinhead gang in Russia.

This cooperation expanded in the aftermath of Ukraine’s Orange Revolution of 2004. To insulate Russia against the contagion of pro-democracy protest, the Kremlin transformed Moving Together into a more ambitious project called “Nashi”, or “Ours”.

As part of its preparations to confront a potential democratic uprising in Russia, Nashi enlisted football gang members, whose subculture overlapped with the neo-Nazi underground.

During 2005, Nashi’s thugs staged a series of raids on anti-Putin youth groups. The most violent attack, which left four left-wing activists in hospital, led to the arrest of the assailants. They were released after a visit to the police station from Nikita Ivanov, the Kremlin functionary who supervised the regime’s loyalist youth organisations.

The resulting scandal provoked a reconfiguration of “managed nationalism”. While Nashi distanced itself from football gangs, its radical militants migrated to two rival Kremlin proxies, the nationalist “Young Russia” group and the anti-immigration “Locals” group. These organisations became bridges between the neo-Nazi subculture and the Kremlin.

Neo-Nazi leaders implicated in killings
As I demonstrated in a recent study of the Kremlin’s relationship with Russian fascists, these linkages made possible a bold experiment to create a pro-Putin neo-Nazi movement.

In 2008-09, the Kremlin was threatened by Russian opposition activist Alexei Navalny’s efforts to build an anti-Putin coalition of democrats and radical nationalists in Russia. In response, the Kremlin began to work with Russkii Obraz (“Russian Image”, or “RO” for short), a hardcore neo-Nazi group best known for its slick journal and its band, Hook from the Right.

With the assistance of Kremlin supervisors, RO attacked nationalists who were abandoning the skinhead subculture for Navalny’s anti-Putin coalition. In return, RO was granted privileged access to public space and the media.

Its leaders held televised public discussions with state functionaries and collaborated openly with Maksim Mishchenko, a member of parliament from the ruling party. Perhaps most shockingly, RO also hosted a concert by the infamous neo-Nazi band Kolovrat in Moscow’s Bolotnaya Square, within earshot of the Kremlin.

The problem for the Kremlin was that RO’s leader, Ilya Goryachev, was a fervent supporter of the neo-Nazi underground, the skinheads who committed hundreds of racist murders in the second half of the 2000s. The authorities turned a blind eye to RO’s production of a two-hour internet “documentary” titled Russian Resistance, which celebrated these killers as patriotic heroes and called for armed struggle against the regime.

But they could not ignore the arrest on murder charges of Nikita Tikhonov, an ex-skinhead and cofounder of RO. Tikhonov was the leader of BORN (“Fighting Organisation of Russian Nationalists”), a terrorist group that committed a string of murders of public figures and antifa militants.

The victims included the renowned human rights lawyer Stanislav Markelov and journalist Anastasia Baburova. Tikhonov was convicted of their murders in 2011.

The police investigation revealed that Goryachev regarded BORN and RO as the armed and political platforms of a neo-Nazi insurgency, on the model of the IRA and Sinn Féin in Ireland and Northern Ireland.

The court materials show that as Goryachev was reporting to his Kremlin supervisors, he was also advising Tikhonov about the choice of murder victims. Goryachev was found guilty in 2015 of ordering the murders of numerous people, including Markelov.

The adverse publicity wrecked the careers of some of the Kremlin’s Nazi promoters, but veterans of RO flourished in the propaganda institutions of Putin’s increasingly autocratic regime.

One of them is Anna Trigga, who worked for the Internet Research Agency, the trolling factory that interfered in the 2016 US presidential election and tried to foment anti-Muslim hatred in Australia. Another is Andrei Gulyutin, editor of the website Ridus, an important platform of pro-Putin Russian nationalism.

Promoting neo-Nazis overseas
No less important is the role of neo-Nazis and other right-wing figures in Russia’s onslaught against Ukraine.

In 2014, RO’s Aleksandr Matyushin helped to terrorise supporters of the Ukrainian state in Donetsk on the eve of Russia’s proxy war in eastern Ukraine. He went on to become a major field commander.

Today, RO’s Dmitrii Steshin, a celebrated war correspondent for a mass circulation tabloid, disseminates lies blaming Ukrainian false-flag operations for atrocities committed by Russian forces.

The Kremlin’s cultivation of domestic neo-Nazis is matched by its promotion of neo-Nazis in the West. Some have amplified anti-Western conspiracy theories as “experts” on RT, the Kremlin’s cable TV propaganda channel.

Others have served the Kremlin as “monitors” who applaud the conduct of fraudulent elections. Meanwhile, Rinaldo Nazzaro, an American, has been quietly running The Base, the international neo-Nazi terrorist organisation, from an apartment in St Petersburg.

Putin’s weaponisation of neo-Nazis was always a risky strategy, but it was not irrational. Unlike mainstream nationalists, who tend to support the idea of free elections, neo-Nazis reject democratic institutions and the very idea of human equality. For a dictator dismantling democracy and constructing an authoritarian regime, they were ideal accomplices.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 22, 2022, 01:07:19 AM
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1505937343580151810

Thank you Amy. :salute
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 22, 2022, 01:21:24 AM
Putin may have said the Gamer word:
https://twitter.com/Mediaite/status/1505932833617059844

 :putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 22, 2022, 07:29:36 AM
https://twitter.com/emilykschrader/status/1505873365743161351 (https://twitter.com/emilykschrader/status/1505873365743161351)

Someone has attended Putin's history class
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on March 22, 2022, 08:17:31 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0bY_OBD1dw

 :lol :lol

she joins the chanting against her. imagine having a negative IQ  :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 22, 2022, 11:10:11 AM
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeu-jagmeet-singh-deal-government-1.6393021

This is a pretty major deal for Canadian politics. 

https://pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2022/03/22/delivering-canadians-now
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 22, 2022, 11:13:16 AM
Medvedev has written the case for war with Poland.
Claims it's being controlled by senile overseas puppeteers

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On Poland.

While Europe is getting painfully aware of the damage the anti-Russian sanctions are causing it, our most favorite European country is, as usual, going ahead of the locomotive. Literally, that is.

The Polish Prime Minister, Mateusz Morawiecki, his Deputy Prime Minister, Jarosław Kaczyński, and the Prime Ministers of the Czech Republic and Slovenia traveled to Kiev by a specially guarded train. Just as Lenin once did, in an armored railwagon, with the German money.

They talked to Zelensky, promising aid and friendship. They lied, of course. Back home, Morawiecki ceremoniously proclaimed that the “de-Russification of the Polish and European economy” program was underway. Having said that, he also courageously clarified that “all this will cost money”.

Morawiecki is absolutely right: It is costly and senseless. Poland, however, can leave these expenses out of consideration; in the long years of fostering pathological Russophobia it has lost whatever it possibly could. So now, as Poland’s favorite neighbors in Ukraine put it, in for a penny, in for a pound.

When it comes to Russia, Poland starts literally writhing in “phantom pains”. Its elites find it too challenging to accept that almost 400 years ago, the Time of Troubles ended with the Polish invaders driven out of the Kremlin, and that later on, the great Commonwealth of Poland failed as well. And that the reason behind all this was not Russia’s scheming, but the internal squabbles, corruption, economic failures and lost battles. And so it went on and on for centuries.

Polish propaganda is the most evil, vulgar and shrill critic of Russia; a community of political imbeciles.

While in our country, concealing even the darkest pages of our shared history is unacceptable, in Poland, they dream of wiping out even the Second World War. First and foremost, they want to forget the Soviet soldiers who defeated Fascism, drove the occupiers out of Polish cities and prevented them from blowing up Kraków, who freed the prisoners of the Oswiecim and Majdanek extermination camps.

Now, history is being re-written, monuments destroyed; instead, the fascist occupation is openly equated to the “Soviet one”. It’s hard to invent rhetoric more deceitful and disgusting, but the Poles succeed.

Yet, in Russia, there weren’t – and aren’t – any anti-Polish sentiments. According to sociologists, the citizens of our country treat that people quite friendly. It is impossible to forget the surge of sympathy and compassion in Russia in the aftermath of the plane crash near Smolensk, when a group of high-ranking officials, headed by the Polish President, died. People were bringing flowers to the embassy and Catholic churches, shared their condolences in the media and social networks. I, as the head of state, declared a Day of Mourning in Russia.

Later, while visiting Poland, I got convinced that nothing stood in the way of our relations’ improvement, that it was a road with oncoming traffic. However, the Polish political elites led by Kaczyński Number Two’s PiS party, controlled by their American masters, did everything in their power to block the natural way.

Presently, the Polish citizens’ interests are being sacrificed to the Russophobia of these inept politicians and their obviously senile overseas puppeteers. The decision to stop buying natural gas, oil, and coal from Russia and resistance to launching Nord Stream 2 have already seriously damaged the country’s economy. Now, it is going to get worse. The same goes for many other moves, driven by cheap politics under the guise of “de-Russification” rather than economic considerations. Yet, at the moment, for the vassal Polish elites it is far more crucial to swear allegiance to their overlord, the United States, than to support their own citizens; which is why they will keep the flames of hatred against their foe, Russia, burning constantly.

What will their citizens gain from this? Absolutely nothing.

Yet, sooner or later, they will understand that hatred for Russia does not help bonding the society and does not promote peace and well-being.

And vice versa: The economic partnership with our country is beneficial for the Poles, human connections are irreplaceable, and the cultural exchange between the motherlands of Pushkin and Mickiewicz, Tchaikovsky and Chopin, Lomonosov and Kopernikus, is vital. Most probably, they will then make the right choice themselves, without the prompts and pressure from the suffering from dementia overseas masters.

John Sweeney reports that the Ukrainians might be about to capture a lot of Russian soldiers cut off from supplies in the North West of Kyiv
https://twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/status/1506281790788493319 (https://twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/status/1506281790788493319)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on March 22, 2022, 11:14:54 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 22, 2022, 01:21:24 AM
Putin may have said the Gamer word:
https://twitter.com/Mediaite/status/1505932833617059844

 :putin

Pretty relieved to hear that, at least he is not a racist.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 22, 2022, 11:57:41 AM
https://twitter.com/maria_avdv/status/1506283895771348994 (https://twitter.com/maria_avdv/status/1506283895771348994)
State TV is in sync with the top propagandists threatening Poland with nuclear war.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on March 22, 2022, 01:29:14 PM
Ukrainian doctor tells TV he gave order to CASTRATE Russian soldiers

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The owner of a war-zone mobile hospital in eastern Ukraine has told a Ukrainian TV interviewer that he has instructed his doctors to 'castrate' captured Russian soldiers.

Gennadiy Druzenko, 49, told Ukraine-24 about his alleged order, but it is unclear if it was bravado or a genuine order that would break the Geneva Conventions.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ukrainian-doctor-tells-tv-he-gave-order-to-castrate-russian-soldiers/ar-AAVl6s9?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on March 22, 2022, 03:33:00 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on March 22, 2022, 11:10:11 AM
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeu-jagmeet-singh-deal-government-1.6393021

This is a pretty major deal for Canadian politics.  h

https://pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2022/03/22/delivering-canadians-now

Dictator Trudeau strikes again by... working with another party to implement new programs to help low income Canadians.

No federal elections every 6 months until 2025.

 :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 22, 2022, 05:15:53 PM
https://twitter.com/alexzfinley/status/1506329188311121921

Well, hold on, let's see where this goes, they might have a smocking gun here.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 22, 2022, 07:14:39 PM
The Polish peacekeeping mission is taking shape.
A no fly zone for big cities (probably in the west) and a force of 10k troops.

https://twitter.com/IuliiaMendel/status/1506404868394823689 (https://twitter.com/IuliiaMendel/status/1506404868394823689)

Apparently the Dutch and Danes are willing to support (probably with the no fly zone) and France is positive as well.
Unclear if NATO and especially the US will give the green light though. But I don't think they have much choice.
Especially if Belarus enters the war over the next few days as expected to help the encircled Russian units around Kyiv.

https://twitter.com/mbk_center/status/1506369684945391624 (https://twitter.com/mbk_center/status/1506369684945391624)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: OnlyRegret on March 22, 2022, 09:54:57 PM
-mariupol has yet to fall
-it is super close to the russian border and likely was a day 1 objective
-ethnically probably leans russian over ukranian

russia so far has accomplished little other than bomb the people they're supposedly saving into rubble/ruble
I don't even understand what russia's goal is at this point other that to keep digging itself into the mother of all holes
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 22, 2022, 11:29:43 PM
Unless the goal was to purge the army of its generals and equipment, then it's pretty clear they've achieved nothing.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 23, 2022, 05:08:33 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/Politically_NSFW/comments/tkn6za/mark%C3%A9ta_pekarov%C3%A2_adamov%C3%A0_after_she_won_the/


 :salute we must protect the czechs  :gun :gun :gun :putin :ussrcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 23, 2022, 05:39:55 AM
https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1506453063267241994 (https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1506453063267241994)

https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1506455904719360002 (https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1506455904719360002)

"Son, be strong"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 23, 2022, 06:03:17 AM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1506484850022555648 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1506484850022555648)

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1506513698684551169 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1506513698684551169)

 :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 23, 2022, 07:39:43 AM
https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1506567320650620930 (https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1506567320650620930)

:biden

50% for the big guy
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 23, 2022, 07:44:20 AM
Lavrov just seems to be the only sane one in that whole regime.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on March 23, 2022, 12:14:03 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 23, 2022, 07:39:43 AM
https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1506567320650620930 (https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1506567320650620930)

:biden

50% for the big guy

I think everyone was predicting that?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 23, 2022, 07:47:48 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCYaldaHakim/status/1506753765994647556 (https://twitter.com/BBCYaldaHakim/status/1506753765994647556)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on March 23, 2022, 07:53:14 PM
Quote from: Potato on March 23, 2022, 07:44:20 AM
Lavrov just seems to be the only sane one in that whole regime.

...lol?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 23, 2022, 08:09:48 PM
I think they should just make a deal and give russia half of ukraine in exchange for killing zelensky

he's eastern european cuomo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 23, 2022, 08:19:12 PM
Quote from: Raist on March 23, 2022, 07:53:14 PM
Quote from: Potato on March 23, 2022, 07:44:20 AM
Lavrov just seems to be the only sane one in that whole regime.

...lol?
Well...the sanest, I guess.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 23, 2022, 08:24:24 PM
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1506699248758362118 (https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1506699248758362118)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 24, 2022, 05:34:53 AM
The Ukrainians have destroyed a large Russian landing ship and damaged 2 others

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1506913810321395717 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1506913810321395717)

The great thing about this, is that they knew exactly where it was and what it was carrying thanks to Russia Today
https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1506887653089853445 (https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1506887653089853445)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 24, 2022, 07:20:27 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10645695/Risk-Putin-deposed-security-service-coup-growing-week-whistleblower-claims.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10645695/Risk-Putin-deposed-security-service-coup-growing-week-whistleblower-claims.html)
Quote
Citing his source, Osechkin told the newspaper that this has meant the country's high-flying secret service agents have been prevented from travelling to their holiday homes or have been unable to 'take their kids to Disneyland Paris'.
Quote
The Russian said that disillusioned agents were willing to change the whole system in if necessary. 'For every week and every month that this war continues, the possibility of a rebellion by those in the security services increases,' he added.

:trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on March 24, 2022, 11:48:19 AM
Quote from: Nintex on March 23, 2022, 06:03:17 AM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1506513698684551169 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1506513698684551169)

If they keep distrupting these girl's education then how are they supposed to get into a good ivy league college?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on March 24, 2022, 01:33:02 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 24, 2022, 07:20:27 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10645695/Risk-Putin-deposed-security-service-coup-growing-week-whistleblower-claims.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10645695/Risk-Putin-deposed-security-service-coup-growing-week-whistleblower-claims.html)
Quote
Citing his source, Osechkin told the newspaper that this has meant the country's high-flying secret service agents have been prevented from travelling to their holiday homes or have been unable to 'take their kids to Disneyland Paris'.
Quote
The Russian said that disillusioned agents were willing to change the whole system in if necessary. 'For every week and every month that this war continues, the possibility of a rebellion by those in the security services increases,' he added.

:trumps

No doubt there is some dissent in Russia among the elite.

But I have trouble believing any detail a tabloid rag would have on this matter. This feels like wild speculation mixed with wishful thinking.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 24, 2022, 03:18:41 PM
https://twitter.com/NotWoofers/status/1507069112383639554 (https://twitter.com/NotWoofers/status/1507069112383639554)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 24, 2022, 08:09:51 PM
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 24, 2022, 08:17:54 PM
https://twitter.com/EerikNKross/status/1507080906334425089 (https://twitter.com/EerikNKross/status/1507080906334425089)

https://twitter.com/AuroraIntel/status/1507105045053063171 (https://twitter.com/AuroraIntel/status/1507105045053063171)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 25, 2022, 06:28:34 AM
Kim Jun Trump :dead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3cWMQUmBXQ
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 25, 2022, 10:23:16 AM
Quote from: james on March 07, 2022, 10:35:33 AM
I want a deep dive into Putin and QAnon. It almost feels like he got sucked into this and believes his own garbage

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1507333553448800309 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1507333553448800309)

https://twitter.com/vicktop55/status/1507089805779390468 (https://twitter.com/vicktop55/status/1507089805779390468)

It's official, he's a wank dad with nuclear missiles :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on March 25, 2022, 12:58:02 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/LineGoesDown/status/1507361363731042310
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 25, 2022, 03:42:31 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 25, 2022, 10:23:16 AM
Quote from: james on March 07, 2022, 10:35:33 AM
I want a deep dive into Putin and QAnon. It almost feels like he got sucked into this and believes his own garbage

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1507333553448800309 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1507333553448800309)

https://twitter.com/vicktop55/status/1507089805779390468 (https://twitter.com/vicktop55/status/1507089805779390468)

It's official, he's a wank dad with nuclear missiles :dead
I want to believe that all these "Russian troll farms" are just Putin on his laptop in his basement raging against everything.
 :rage
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 25, 2022, 04:33:19 PM
TBH if I was president not only would I shitpost on Twitter like Trump but I would have a dozen alts and then use my presidential account to retweet myself
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2022, 04:52:43 PM
https://twitter.com/polinaivanovva/status/1507400326475055104
https://twitter.com/polinaivanovva/status/1507400330140696576
https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1507454715919048715
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on March 25, 2022, 07:03:23 PM
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1507486232787390467

Based and yemeni-pilled
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 25, 2022, 07:31:53 PM
New World Order more like the New World Disorder.


In other news, rumors swirling that Russian defense minister Shoigu had a heart attack and has been replaced by General Dmitry Bulgakov who issued a decree to fake appearances of his predecessor.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2022, 09:25:50 PM
https://twitter.com/JMStewz/status/1507019982684577793
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 25, 2022, 11:26:08 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 25, 2022, 09:25:50 PM
https://twitter.com/JMStewz/status/1507019982684577793
Are those dick socks? No but that is a dick in socks though...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 26, 2022, 07:45:37 AM
Shoigu has returned but he looks as if he has been hit by a bus and the entire general staff seems to have been forced to read Harry Potter.
Also no way to verify when this was recorded.

https://twitter.com/Ali_Mustafa/status/1507636062461509632 (https://twitter.com/Ali_Mustafa/status/1507636062461509632)

In light of the Russian 'Special Military Operation', Macron with the help of Greece and Turkey will launch a 'Exceptional Humanitarian Operation' to evacuate Mariupol.

Quote
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Friday said France would spearhead an “exceptional humanitarian operation” alongside Turkey and Greece to evacuate the Ukrainian city of Mariupol. (...) “We are going to launch a humanitarian operation in conjunction with Turkey and Greece to evacuate all those who wish to leave Mariupol,” Macron told reporters (...). The French leader also said he would discuss the Mariupol operation with Russian President Vladimir Putin “within 48 to 72 hours.”"

https://twitter.com/jackeparrock/status/1507386974851805194 (https://twitter.com/jackeparrock/status/1507386974851805194)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 26, 2022, 08:19:41 AM
https://twitter.com/MattHighton/status/1507133160160694278 (https://twitter.com/MattHighton/status/1507133160160694278)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 26, 2022, 07:00:33 PM
It's slowly starting to dawn on the Russians just how fucked they are.

https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1507819604105592832 (https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1507819604105592832)

Kamil also has a very interesting thread on how Russia might collapse.
https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1507819508609679364 (https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1507819508609679364)

Basically Putin is untouchable so the people will blame their local leadership, who will try to keep control and improve conditions in their own region at the expense of the rest of the country.

This is what Putin's inner circle fears, they don't fear Putin will lose power himself but they fear that regions will compete for resources and the country splits apart in the process.
Basically everything that 'glues' the country together is falling apart, including the railways and airlines because it all runs on imported technology.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 26, 2022, 11:08:42 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1507438278974259209 (https://mobile.twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1507438278974259209)


Seventh dead Russian general. Either the Ukrainians are really good at hunting these guys down, or they are being sent to die by Putler.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 27, 2022, 06:52:01 AM
https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1508016837346398211 (https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1508016837346398211)

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Snoopycat_ on March 27, 2022, 07:15:42 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir6Nzju1v9c
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 27, 2022, 07:19:33 AM
The crazy thing is, that was made on 27 feb. 2022.
And then he went on a bonkers harry potter rant  :titus
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 27, 2022, 08:25:08 AM
https://twitter.com/AlexandruC4/status/1507866657653501954 (https://twitter.com/AlexandruC4/status/1507866657653501954)

Expect more trouble for Russian 'peacekeepers' when they are no longer feared
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Tycoon Padre on March 28, 2022, 12:24:52 PM
Damn dude...

https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/1508471898929258496

And this:

https://twitter.com/bellingcat/status/1508474792374161419

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 28, 2022, 01:55:27 PM
If liberals really cared they would be taking notes and sending Clarence a care package of cupcakes
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 28, 2022, 03:55:58 PM
Quote from: Tycoon Padre on March 28, 2022, 12:24:52 PM
Damn dude...

https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/1508471898929258496

And this:

https://twitter.com/bellingcat/status/1508474792374161419


Holy shit. Putin really clamping down on dissent.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 28, 2022, 06:38:11 PM
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 28, 2022, 06:53:35 PM
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1508535291115708426 (https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1508535291115708426)

That's not all to the Abramovich story.

Russia poised to start another war

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1508577933434183688 (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1508577933434183688)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on March 29, 2022, 03:12:57 AM
https://twitter.com/yugopnik/status/1508423001980686337
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 29, 2022, 03:34:25 AM
https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1508526164188577797
https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1508526482351611906

I literally can't even. I'm going to print these out and hang them. Feel like framing them would go too far.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 29, 2022, 10:06:12 AM
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1508743474400669697 (https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1508743474400669697)

https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1508740287715237892 (https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1508740287715237892)

https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1508774654940520448 (https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1508774654940520448)

:wut
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 29, 2022, 10:44:28 AM
https://twitter.com/Sandbagger_01/status/1508698014512304131 (https://twitter.com/Sandbagger_01/status/1508698014512304131)

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on March 29, 2022, 12:55:50 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 29, 2022, 10:06:12 AM
https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1508774654940520448 (https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1508774654940520448)

:wut


Yeah just like the cease fires to allow for civilian evacuation ::)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 29, 2022, 04:47:04 PM
Something blew up in Russia
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1508878673021214722 (https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1508878673021214722)

https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet/status/1508882468895707144 (https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet/status/1508882468895707144)

Some say a missile hit a munitions depot, others say shell or accident.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 29, 2022, 05:54:51 PM
Back to business in Ingerland

https://twitter.com/BBCRosAtkins/status/1508857592222785541 (https://twitter.com/BBCRosAtkins/status/1508857592222785541)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 30, 2022, 01:11:27 AM
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 30, 2022, 03:35:20 AM
The Dragonball Znazification
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 30, 2022, 04:26:22 PM
It's quite something to watch the Russians begging on state TV for Trump to come back  :doge

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1508943310483767302 (https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1508943310483767302)

And they're still trying to hide this mess from the boss
https://twitter.com/jseldin/status/1509196113185759240 (https://twitter.com/jseldin/status/1509196113185759240)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on March 30, 2022, 05:40:16 PM
Quote
A Ukrainian refugee from Mariupol has told the BBC that she and others from her area were taken to Russia, despite making it clear they did not want to go.

Speaking anonymously to the BBC's Newshour programme, she described being loaded onto a bus by soldiers who said they would be safe.

Later they learned the troops were Russian and the bus was heading towards Russia, she said.

They were taken in a convoy of about 10 buses, she says, and went through rebel-held territory in Donetsk in eastern Ukraine.

"We all shouted to tell them to stop there, but they refused to stop there," she added.

Their bus continued to travel to a refugee camp in a sports centre in Russia.

There they were told they would be sent to economically depressed areas in Russia where people were needed for work.

The next day, she says she boarded a train to Tula - about 200km south of Moscow - where passengers were met by police and taken to buses.

"We put our bags on the ground and said 'we're not going anywhere'," she added.

She says she and her companions waited until the buses left then bought train tickets to St Petersburg, and from there travelled by bus to Tallinn in Estonia, where they plan to stay until the fighting stops.

"Russia is being extremely dishonest," she claimed.

"They have double standards. On the one hand they are killing our people and on the other they want to look like they are trying to help us."

The BBC has not been able to independently verify her account, but is aware of other, similar accounts.

A Kremlin spokesman has told the BBC claims that people are being taken to Russia against their will are "a lie".

Mmm that sounds familiar.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 30, 2022, 06:32:10 PM
https://twitter.com/alexadobrien/status/1509260675264221192 (https://twitter.com/alexadobrien/status/1509260675264221192)

https://twitter.com/MrKovalenko/status/1509278005469847574 (https://twitter.com/MrKovalenko/status/1509278005469847574)

7 busses packed with soldiers suffering from radiation poisoning.

Guess no one will tell the boss about this.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 30, 2022, 06:41:47 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/MrKovalenko/status/1509284041115279373

No HBO in Russia?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: chronovore on March 30, 2022, 07:31:12 PM
Every time I try and think about the idiocy of fire fight not only around but in a nuclear power plant, my mind shies away from it. It’s hard to believe that they were this fucking stupid.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 30, 2022, 08:29:04 PM
Everything the Russians have done for the past couple of months has just been beyond fucking stupid.

Now there is evidence to show that they were using conscripts, but didn't tell Putin.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on March 31, 2022, 03:11:42 AM
Chernobyl-chan is hungry for flesh again  :heart :heartbeat
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 31, 2022, 01:45:12 PM
The real reason behind the war?
https://twitter.com/Schneider_CM/status/1509361718190919685
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 31, 2022, 02:00:53 PM
https://twitter.com/backtolife_2022/status/1509556858037624832 (https://twitter.com/backtolife_2022/status/1509556858037624832)

Putin sets an ultimatum for Europe.
Either pay for gas in Rubles or get cut off from the Russian gas supply.

All non-Ruble contracts to be cancelled April 1st.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 31, 2022, 02:38:25 PM
Who needs gas after April 1? Summer baby turn on the fans
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 31, 2022, 03:27:12 PM
It's not about the natural gas supply but more about the cost of energy for businesses and consumers.

In most of Europe we have flexible energy contracts.
For example, you can have a contract based on the current gas prices or 'freeze' your rate for 2 or 3 years.
In most cases people pay in advance based on their expected energy use and then either have to pay extra or get a refund if they overpaid.

If the gas price goes up 500% so does your energy bill.
There's already examples of families who paid little over 100 Euro for energy a month now having to pay 500 - 700 Euro.
Plus at this time the energy companies don't offer long term contracts. So if your contract just ended and you have to renegotiate you're fucked and stuck in a plan based on the market rate of gas.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 31, 2022, 04:10:43 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 31, 2022, 03:27:12 PM
It's not about the natural gas supply but more about the cost of energy for businesses and consumers.

In most of Europe we have flexible energy contracts.
For example, you can have a contract based on the current gas prices or 'freeze' your rate for 2 or 3 years.
In most cases people pay in advance based on their expected energy use and then either have to pay extra or get a refund if they overpaid.

If the gas price goes up 500% so does your energy bill.
There's already examples of families who paid little over 100 Euro for energy a month now having to pay 500 - 700 Euro.
Plus at this time the energy companies don't offer long term contracts. So if your contract just ended and you have to renegotiate you're fucked and stuck in a plan based on the market rate of gas.

But you dont need energy after April. Open the window Nintex
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 31, 2022, 04:22:33 PM
Quote from: james on March 31, 2022, 04:10:43 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 31, 2022, 03:27:12 PM
It's not about the natural gas supply but more about the cost of energy for businesses and consumers.

In most of Europe we have flexible energy contracts.
For example, you can have a contract based on the current gas prices or 'freeze' your rate for 2 or 3 years.
In most cases people pay in advance based on their expected energy use and then either have to pay extra or get a refund if they overpaid.

If the gas price goes up 500% so does your energy bill.
There's already examples of families who paid little over 100 Euro for energy a month now having to pay 500 - 700 Euro.
Plus at this time the energy companies don't offer long term contracts. So if your contract just ended and you have to renegotiate you're fucked and stuck in a plan based on the market rate of gas.

But you dont need energy after April. Open the window Nintex
It's snowing my dude


The "DNR" army sleeping outside in the cold waiting to be fed to the meat grinder
https://twitter.com/den_kazansky/status/1509610712766853120 (https://twitter.com/den_kazansky/status/1509610712766853120)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 31, 2022, 04:55:25 PM
.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 31, 2022, 05:22:51 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 31, 2022, 04:22:33 PM
Quote from: james on March 31, 2022, 04:10:43 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 31, 2022, 03:27:12 PM
It's not about the natural gas supply but more about the cost of energy for businesses and consumers.

In most of Europe we have flexible energy contracts.
For example, you can have a contract based on the current gas prices or 'freeze' your rate for 2 or 3 years.
In most cases people pay in advance based on their expected energy use and then either have to pay extra or get a refund if they overpaid.

If the gas price goes up 500% so does your energy bill.
There's already examples of families who paid little over 100 Euro for energy a month now having to pay 500 - 700 Euro.
Plus at this time the energy companies don't offer long term contracts. So if your contract just ended and you have to renegotiate you're fucked and stuck in a plan based on the market rate of gas.

But you dont need energy after April. Open the window Nintex
It's snowing my dude

FACT CHECK: It is snowing today, in March.

No snow in forecast for April
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 31, 2022, 07:19:20 PM
Quote from: team filler on March 31, 2022, 04:55:25 PM
https://twitter.com/plymouthian/status/1509534486664564742
I read the comments but you'd think that if they existed the masked illuminati lizards would behave more like Tony Blair than Boris Johnson.

I don't see how this wanker could possibly be of any use to them.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 01, 2022, 03:06:57 AM
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1509763703901761556 (https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1509763703901761556)

Ukraine struck inside Russia again this time with helicopters.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on April 01, 2022, 05:20:27 AM
Ukrainian special operation in Russia?  :D

That sea bridge in Crimea ought to be a tempting target.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on April 01, 2022, 07:09:25 AM
can't believe the nazis are so well-funded and supplied  :o
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 01, 2022, 12:54:30 PM
https://twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/status/1509876497548550155 (https://twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/status/1509876497548550155)

More and more reports that Putin has cancer
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HardcoreRetro on April 01, 2022, 01:00:25 PM
Must be brain cancer.

What a wacko.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on April 01, 2022, 01:21:19 PM
Putin has no choice but to nuke
spoiler (click to show/hide)
those cancer cells in chemotherapy
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on April 02, 2022, 10:04:28 AM
"Free" country:
https://twitter.com/Psythor/status/1509229031107043338
Quote
A MAN who sent a “grossly offensive” tweet about Captain Sir Tom Moore the day after his death has avoided a jail sentence as he was handed a community payback order.

Joseph Kelly, 36, posted on Twitter that “the only good Brit soldier is a deed one, burn auld fella buuuuurn” on February 3 last year.

Kelly, of Castlemilk, Glasgow, was found guilty of sending the message following a trial at Lanark Sheriff Court in January and returned to the court for sentencing on Wednesday.

Sheriff Adrian Cottam told Kelly he passed the “custody threshold” but there is a presumption against prison if there is an alternative.

He sentenced him to a community payback order comprising 18 months of supervision and 150 hours of unpaid work, and said the punishment should act as a deterrence to others.

Sheriff Cottam said: “My view is, having heard the evidence, that this was a grossly offensive tweet.

“The deterrence is really to show people that despite the steps you took to try and recall matters, as soon as you press the blue button that’s it.

“It’s important for other people to realise how quickly things can get out of control.

“You are a good example of that, not having many followers.”

Kelly’s defence agent Tony Callahan said the 36-year-old had only a handful of followers when he posted the tweet and did not realise how widely it would be shared.

He said Kelly quickly took steps to take down the tweet, which was only live for 20 minutes, and has since expressed regret and remorse.
Quote
After Kelly was found guilty at the trial, Sheriff Cottam told him Captain Tom “is a man who had become known as a national hero, who stood for the resilience of the people of a country struggling with a pandemic and the services trying to protect them”.

He added: “His stature and the view of society towards him must be looked at in that light and therefore any comment likewise.

“What the accused chose to write, when and how it was said, can only be regarded as grossly offensive.”
I assume they'll also be prosecuting The National for publishing what the tweet said.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on April 03, 2022, 12:22:25 AM
Throwing people in jail for shit tweets is something very stupid.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on April 03, 2022, 03:30:55 AM
Quote from: Nintex on March 31, 2022, 02:00:53 PM
https://twitter.com/backtolife_2022/status/1509556858037624832 (https://twitter.com/backtolife_2022/status/1509556858037624832)

Putin sets an ultimatum for Europe.
Either pay for gas in Rubles or get cut off from the Russian gas supply.

All non-Ruble contracts to be cancelled April 1st.

Dude, Putin bluffed... and then folded.

 :heh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: OnlyRegret on April 04, 2022, 01:23:21 AM
gotta say, the russiagate folks won in the end, I don't even care about whether it was a thing anymore, I just find myself more and more negative towards russia regardless
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on April 06, 2022, 11:54:58 AM
https://twitter.com/carterforva/status/1511388425093619717

:pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on April 06, 2022, 01:56:34 PM
The rumors were true, the russians dug trenches in Chernobyl

https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/txm2as/drone_footage_in_chernobyl_confirms_that_russians/

:pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on April 06, 2022, 01:59:21 PM
Quote from: james on March 30, 2022, 06:41:47 PM
No HBO in Russia?

(https://i.imgur.com/YAkHDhR.png)

:bolo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 08, 2022, 12:32:31 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/MorbidReality/comments/tz5cdv/a_stuffed_animal_found_covered_in_blood_at_the/

 :nsfw

Fucking hell :(
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: OnlyRegret on April 09, 2022, 05:42:20 PM
Quote
The earthworks were not the only instance of recklessness in the treatment of a site so toxic it still holds the potential to spread radiation well beyond Ukraine’s borders.

In a particularly ill-advised action, a Russian soldier from a chemical, biological and nuclear protection unit picked up a source of cobalt-60 at one waste storage site with his bare hands, exposing himself to so much radiation in a few seconds that it went off the scales of a Geiger counter, Mr. Simyonov said. It was not clear what happened to the man, he said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/08/world/europe/ukraine-chernobyl.html

amazing how russia just seems to be blending evil and immense stupidity
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on April 10, 2022, 03:38:30 AM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on April 09, 2022, 05:42:20 PM
Quote
The earthworks were not the only instance of recklessness in the treatment of a site so toxic it still holds the potential to spread radiation well beyond Ukraine’s borders.

In a particularly ill-advised action, a Russian soldier from a chemical, biological and nuclear protection unit picked up a source of cobalt-60 at one waste storage site with his bare hands, exposing himself to so much radiation in a few seconds that it went off the scales of a Geiger counter, Mr. Simyonov said. It was not clear what happened to the man, he said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/08/world/europe/ukraine-chernobyl.html

amazing how russia just seems to be blending evil and immense stupidity
They generally do go hand in hand though
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 11, 2022, 06:42:18 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61071243

Ukraine conflict: 'Russian soldiers raped me and killed my husband'
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on April 12, 2022, 02:02:12 AM
Biden: Chemical weapons are the red line

*32 minutes later*

Ukraine: They used chemical weapons send in the marines

Biden: :pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on April 12, 2022, 02:59:32 PM
https://twitter.com/ryanlcooper/status/1513506902952624132

 :rollsafe
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on April 12, 2022, 03:23:07 PM
You don't understand, tsunamis are frequent in Germany.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on April 12, 2022, 03:53:58 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61083402

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Quote
The prime minister confirmed he had paid the fixed penalty notice for going to the hour-long gathering in the Cabinet Room on 19 June 2020.

Chancellor Rishi Sunak and the PM's wife were also fined for the same event, and confirmed they had paid.

All three apologised for attending, but neither Mr Johnson or Mr Sunak offered to resign.

:pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on April 12, 2022, 05:47:42 PM
I'd have thought that being the chancellor and getting caught tax dodging would be more of a reason to resign tbh for auld rish :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on April 12, 2022, 06:12:11 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQErYw9WUAYo6bE?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 13, 2022, 10:35:33 AM
https://metro.co.uk/2022/04/13/sweden-ready-to-join-nato-this-summer-in-major-blow-to-putin-16458536/

Wow.  Would suspect this pushes Finland to join too.

edit:  article might be inaccrate. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on April 13, 2022, 02:53:30 PM
https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1514217040562774021
https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1514217048393633792
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 13, 2022, 04:18:23 PM
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3456892-ukrainian-military-hits-russian-cruiser-by-neptune-missiles.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on April 13, 2022, 05:01:50 PM
Meanwhile, in China:
https://twitter.com/fangshimin/status/1514121862103457792
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on April 13, 2022, 05:09:23 PM
I wonder what that guy's social credit score is right now?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 13, 2022, 05:20:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJv4rBT6Nl8
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Rufus on April 14, 2022, 07:04:48 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on April 12, 2022, 02:59:32 PM
https://twitter.com/ryanlcooper/status/1513506902952624132

 :rollsafe
A small minority of Germans heat their homes with electricity. Sick gaming rigs and grow-ops don't count.

Unfortunately, this will be slow to change, too, because individual home ownership is low relative to the rest of Europe. Landlords will not invest in moving away from gas heating when they can just pass the cost on. (Everyone will be holding out for government incentives, regardless. 💸)

It is what it is.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on April 14, 2022, 12:27:21 PM
Quote from: Rufus on April 14, 2022, 07:04:48 AM
Sick gaming rigs and grow-ops don't count.
:jeanluc
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 14, 2022, 10:30:29 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61114843  Russian warship Moskva has sunk - defence ministry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on April 15, 2022, 12:12:27 PM
:dead

https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1514941186397683715
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on April 15, 2022, 12:47:32 PM
https://twitter.com/iAmTheWarax/status/1514761019758891011
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on April 15, 2022, 04:11:44 PM
Do they normally decomission ships in the water with all the personnell onboard? Whoevers job it is to inform the families, my thoughts are with you.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on April 15, 2022, 04:14:27 PM
Quote from: Transhuman on April 15, 2022, 04:11:44 PM
Do they normally decomission ships in the water with all the personnell onboard?
It was an emergency decommission. As planned.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on April 15, 2022, 04:17:13 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQWJ361WYAkpZ-X?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on April 15, 2022, 05:57:17 PM
If you think about it, getting the Ukraine to decommission the ship saved them on explosives.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on April 19, 2022, 02:20:14 AM
https://twitter.com/Lucian_Kim/status/1516247218696638468

:lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on April 19, 2022, 05:24:36 AM
Quote from: Transhuman on April 15, 2022, 04:11:44 PM
Do they normally decomission ships in the water with all the personnell onboard? Whoevers job it is to inform the families, my thoughts are with you.

It makes ship decomissions more exciting.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on April 22, 2022, 09:08:08 AM
https://twitter.com/henrycooke/status/1516940545327009793
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on April 23, 2022, 06:59:54 AM
Quote
Ukraine has registered the shipwreck of Russia’s Moskva vessel as “underwater cultural heritage” — in a move described as “trolling” Moscow rather than having a basis in international law.

 :)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 23, 2022, 04:33:01 PM
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3465606-ukraine-army-destroys-enemy-command-operations-center-eliminates-two-russian-generals.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on April 24, 2022, 02:07:41 PM
Macron has reportedly won against Le Pen.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on April 24, 2022, 02:29:35 PM
Quote from: Occam on April 24, 2022, 02:07:41 PM
Macron has reportedly won against Le Pen.

58.20%
41.80%

Not as big of a margin as 5 years ago, but still decisive.

Macron is still term-limited. He can't run again in 2027. There has to be a credible candidate to go against the far right 5 years from now.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: VomKriege on April 24, 2022, 05:03:36 PM
Quote from: Sman on April 24, 2022, 02:29:35 PM
Macron is still term-limited. He can't run again in 2027. There has to be a credible candidate to go against the far right 5 years from now.

Nature hates a void  :killme
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2022, 10:43:38 PM
https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1518243134689452036
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRH3wCXXsAMt3dw?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on April 25, 2022, 12:00:39 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on April 24, 2022, 05:03:36 PM
Quote from: Sman on April 24, 2022, 02:29:35 PM
Macron is still term-limited. He can't run again in 2027. There has to be a credible candidate to go against the far right 5 years from now.

Nature hates a void  :killme

It has a high tolerance rate when the best Democrat to replace Biden (and Harris) in 2024 is Buttigieg. At least so far.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: OnlyRegret on April 25, 2022, 01:08:29 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on April 15, 2022, 04:17:13 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQWJ361WYAkpZ-X?format=jpg&name=small)

nothing happened -> fire -> sank in a storm -> whatever

it is amazing how much and how poorly russians lie
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on April 25, 2022, 02:47:01 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on April 24, 2022, 05:03:36 PM
Quote from: Sman on April 24, 2022, 02:29:35 PM
Macron is still term-limited. He can't run again in 2027. There has to be a credible candidate to go against the far right 5 years from now.

Nature hates a void  :killme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scBjipojtOQ
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: VomKriege on April 25, 2022, 04:18:52 AM
Quote from: Sman on April 25, 2022, 12:00:39 AM
Quote from: VomKriege on April 24, 2022, 05:03:36 PM
Quote from: Sman on April 24, 2022, 02:29:35 PM
Macron is still term-limited. He can't run again in 2027. There has to be a credible candidate to go against the far right 5 years from now.

Nature hates a void  :killme

It has a high tolerance rate when the best Democrat to replace Biden (and Harris) in 2024 is Buttigieg. At least so far.

I meant more in the sense that we'll probably be there in 2027. Macronism is pretty hollow beyond his personal image.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HardcoreRetro on April 25, 2022, 05:28:03 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on April 24, 2022, 10:43:38 PM
https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1518243134689452036
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRH3wCXXsAMt3dw?format=jpg&name=small)

Ehehehehe, getting shanghaied in Shanghai.  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BrokenVerses on April 25, 2022, 07:02:37 PM
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1518654601611956229
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: OnlyRegret on April 25, 2022, 10:44:15 PM
the murderboner for killing russians is crazy  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on April 25, 2022, 10:50:00 PM
To be fair, the Russians are currently quite deserving of some good murderising.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on April 26, 2022, 03:14:22 AM
https://twitter.com/tomgara/status/1518718705013772292
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 26, 2022, 02:48:41 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61237519

Russia to suspend gas supplies to Poland
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on April 26, 2022, 03:56:49 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on April 24, 2022, 10:43:38 PM
https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1518243134689452036
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRH3wCXXsAMt3dw?format=jpg&name=small)

Imagine not knowing about the low shear forces that can cause a screw to fail.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: chronovore on April 27, 2022, 09:01:09 PM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on April 25, 2022, 10:44:15 PM
the murderboner for killing russians is crazy  :lol

To be fair, the Russians kind of marched into a neighboring area under completely shit pretenses, and have been murdering civilians in the street. Putin appears to have not hear of the sunk costs fallacy, and keeps gesturing that the world can go fuck itself. Fuck him. Fuck them.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: OnlyRegret on April 27, 2022, 11:10:28 PM
Quote from: chronovore on April 27, 2022, 09:01:09 PM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on April 25, 2022, 10:44:15 PM
the murderboner for killing russians is crazy  :lol

To be fair, the Russians kind of marched into a neighboring area under completely shit pretenses, and have been murdering civilians in the street. Putin appears to have not hear of the sunk costs fallacy, and keeps gesturing that the world can go fuck itself. Fuck him. Fuck them.

Not gonna lie, I'm right there with you. It's just funny to step back and take it all in.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Rufus on April 28, 2022, 08:28:54 AM
War shows the ugliest side of people, not just on the front lines.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 28, 2022, 02:38:52 PM
Russia has all but declared war on the UK as their army plans to attack Moldova.
https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1519733232991883264 (https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1519733232991883264)

The UN secretary general visits Kyiv and the Russian Federation shoots cruise missiles into the city center.
https://twitter.com/DmytroKuleba/status/1519737764127940610 (https://twitter.com/DmytroKuleba/status/1519737764127940610)

Meanwhile on Russian state TV:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRbvX14VEAAQHU4?format=jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on April 29, 2022, 04:04:24 PM
Meanwhile, in the UK:
https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1520054609548611584
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on April 29, 2022, 04:34:01 PM
Sounds like he's qualified to comment to me  :yeshrug
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on April 29, 2022, 04:43:10 PM
Quote from: Rufus on April 28, 2022, 08:28:54 AM
War shows the ugliest side of people, not just on the front lines.

I suppose my cynicism is to blame but I saw them just as ugly before. If anything war has the opposite effect on me. The frontline testimonials of Ukrainian soldiers talking about how they'd rather be anywhere else but feel obligated to hold the line actually makes me feel optimistic about humanity. Hearing politicians bloviate about war still makes me feel sick, but hearing it from the people who are actually living it? Who know there's a good chance the amount of days they have left to live is single digits? Hard not to feel uplifted by that kind of selflessness, but I guess it's human nature to focus on the bravado, on the "fuck Russia" of it all.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Rufus on April 30, 2022, 07:20:33 AM
Quote from: Transhuman on April 29, 2022, 04:43:10 PM
Hard not to feel uplifted by that kind of selflessness, but I guess it's human nature to focus on the bravado, on the "fuck Russia" of it all.
Of course. Personally, I have a hard time doing that with a human-made disaster, even as I smile at "Russian Warship, go fuck yourself" and other acts of defiance. Man is wolf to man, and all that.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 30, 2022, 09:59:26 AM
It's pretty obvious now that Putin is not going to win the war for the Donbas. The Ukrainians are destroying artillery positions wholesale.
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1520364599098462214 (https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1520364599098462214)

Ukraine has liberated territory around too Kharkiv so the Russian artillery can no longer easily hit the city.

The UK is worried that Putin will announce a general mobilization soon while others fear he might attack Moldova.
Moldova doesn't really have an army and the Russians have started sabotage operations. In other words, Moldova is a fight the Russians can win if no allies come to help.

State TV is happy they nearly killed the UN secretary general
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1520193082314141696 (https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1520193082314141696)

Although not everyone wants to die in a Nuclear War and go to heaven
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1519763655608479746 (https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1519763655608479746)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 30, 2022, 04:18:35 PM
(https://out.reddit.com/t3_ufe1zl?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FInZvVAl.jpg&token=AQAAKqdtYpZRXgsHKXfvXEXS0SFrgsSQOcHI-nISMCjLnDN8r7iJ&app_name=reddit.com)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 30, 2022, 06:05:40 PM
The poles have had enough of this shit
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1520516455942475776 (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1520516455942475776)

Russia still desperately trying to built a case for a war in Moldova
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1520521500582895620 (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1520521500582895620)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on April 30, 2022, 09:43:58 PM
https://twitter.com/getnorthern/status/1520084801625239558
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on April 30, 2022, 10:06:38 PM
What sort of porn are we talking about here? Like, some benign thot pages on Instagram or a subreddit with skin, or are we talking full on PornHub browsing for his fetish?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: remy on April 30, 2022, 10:34:27 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on April 30, 2022, 09:43:58 PM
https://twitter.com/getnorthern/status/1520084801625239558
I'm not sure it's right a long upstanding member like parish be ruthlessly beaten in the public sphere :rash
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: OnlyRegret on May 01, 2022, 12:44:49 AM
Quote from: Nintex on April 30, 2022, 06:05:40 PM

Russia still desperately trying to built a case for a war in Moldova


just redo what they did in ukraine

invade ("special operation acktually") -> shit out casus belli afterwards
such as in the case of ukraine, ukranian biolabs developing anti-slav bio-weapons, which gets funnier the more you think about and is probably why russia skipped to other talking points
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on May 01, 2022, 04:33:04 AM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on May 01, 2022, 12:44:49 AM
Quote from: Nintex on April 30, 2022, 06:05:40 PM

Russia still desperately trying to built a case for a war in Moldova


just redo what they did in ukraine

invade ("special operation acktually") -> shit out casus belli afterwards
such as in the case of ukraine, ukranian biolabs developing anti-slav bio-weapons, which gets funnier the more you think about and is probably why russia skipped to other talking points

Maybe it's just me but it feels to me Russia should have done the false flag thing with Moldova 2 months ago.

Doing it now causes some chaos and propaganda, ok, but they don't have the means to really exploit it. They didn't take Kiev, they are bugged down in Eastern Ukraine, far away from Moldova.

Ok, they have a few thousands, poorly trained Russian troops in Transnistria. That's apparently enough to keep the breakaway territory, but not enough to invade Ukraine from the West or take over Moldova. So really, why show you can't do anything about Transnistria being "attacked"?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on May 01, 2022, 07:22:04 AM
Quote from: Potato on April 30, 2022, 10:06:38 PM
What sort of porn are we talking about here? Like, some benign thot pages on Instagram or a subreddit with skin, or are we talking full on PornHub browsing for his fetish?

Sadly I don't think there is any detailed information, but...

Quote
Explaining what had happened, Parish, who also runs a farm, told BBC Politics South West: “The situation was that – funnily enough it was tractors I was looking at. I did get into another website that had a very similar name and I watched it for a bit which I shouldn’t have done.

“But my crime – biggest crime – is that on another occasion I went in a second time.”

Asked if that was deliberate, he admitted: “That was deliberate … that was sitting waiting to vote on the side of the chamber.” Parish added: “I will have to live with this for the rest of my life. I made a huge terrible mistake and I’m here to tell the world.”

 :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 01, 2022, 07:25:52 AM
Quote from: Sman on May 01, 2022, 04:33:04 AM
Quote from: OnlyRegret on May 01, 2022, 12:44:49 AM
Quote from: Nintex on April 30, 2022, 06:05:40 PM

Russia still desperately trying to built a case for a war in Moldova


just redo what they did in ukraine

invade ("special operation acktually") -> shit out casus belli afterwards
such as in the case of ukraine, ukranian biolabs developing anti-slav bio-weapons, which gets funnier the more you think about and is probably why russia skipped to other talking points

Maybe it's just me but it feels to me Russia should have done the false flag thing with Moldova 2 months ago.

Doing it now causes some chaos and propaganda, ok, but they don't have the means to really exploit it. They didn't take Kiev, they are bugged down in Eastern Ukraine, far away from Moldova.

Ok, they have a few thousands, poorly trained Russian troops in Transnistria. That's apparently enough to keep the breakaway territory, but not enough to invade Ukraine from the West or take over Moldova. So really, why show you can't do anything about Transnistria being "attacked"?
A couple of reasons.

1. It links up all the occupied Russian land in the south and used to be part of the Russian Empire Putin wants to restore
2. It stops Ukraine from deploying the forces they have in the west to the Donbas
3. The threat might prompt Ukraine(or Romania) to move into Moldova(giving the Russians a reason to invade)
4. They need a 'victory' by May 9th. Moldova has no army or defenses and is an easy target
5. After the FSB bungled things with the coup that didn't happen, the army took point and promised victory.
They might simply see it as a strategic move to block supplies and have another launchpad for attacks on Ukraine

The Russian Imperialists pretty much see it like this. All those lands were stolen from them by NATO and Nazi US puppet regimes are in power so they must either surrender or be removed from power.
The people there have been 'brainwashed' for generations by western propaganda so of course there is resistance and it will again take generations to 'pacify' those areas so they can be of service to the empire.

I think Poland is making the right move by putting pressure on Belarus as that is the weakest link. Putin wants Lukashenka to send his armies but he hesistated once it was clear the Russians would not take Kyiv and his army would revolt.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 01, 2022, 01:47:25 PM
Ukraine almost killed most of Russia's high command in the Donbas.

https://twitter.com/MrKovalenko/status/1520759831589797890 (https://twitter.com/MrKovalenko/status/1520759831589797890)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on May 01, 2022, 03:31:56 PM
Lol, that commander of electronic warfare guy looks exactly like you would expect the leader of the nerd brigade to look!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 01, 2022, 05:11:27 PM
The Russians are weirdly obsessed with Liz Truss and the idea of sinking Britain.

https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1520839304062373892 (https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1520839304062373892)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 02, 2022, 03:05:04 AM
They keep coming up with new plans to destroy the UK. Is this all Cummings going to extreme lengths to get rid of Boris?

https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1520846423629213699 (https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1520846423629213699)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 02, 2022, 09:13:34 AM
https://twitter.com/NeriZilber/status/1521083154764808192 (https://twitter.com/NeriZilber/status/1521083154764808192)

They just keep making friends :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on May 02, 2022, 10:07:25 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/maureen_hanaway/status/1520947862560935936

:pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HardcoreRetro on May 02, 2022, 10:09:59 AM
Maybe they'll remove the cancer by cutting off his head.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 02, 2022, 10:38:23 AM
Putin apparently plans to make some hawkish FSB general run things while he is in surgery.

Although it does feel like that someone could attempt to replace him at such a moment of weakness.
Not that those planning against Putin are against the war it's more that they don't like how their army and resources are being wasted in pointless battles with nothing to show for it.
Also I don't think many are on board with nuking their vacation homes, mistresses, daughters and sons studying in the UK or Putin handing over power to those he considers most loyal like Kadyrov.

Shit just keeps blowing up at random in Russia

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1521132312821383168 (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1521132312821383168)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 03, 2022, 01:45:52 PM
Rumors of a coup being planned against the small man
https://twitter.com/Ohra_aho/status/1521464911515332608 (https://twitter.com/Ohra_aho/status/1521464911515332608)

Frustrated that they have made no gains on the battlefield in the Donbas the Russians are once again targetting cities and urban centers with cruise missiles.
https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/1521546044814860289 (https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/1521546044814860289)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 04, 2022, 06:37:07 PM
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1521952593290878977 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1521952593290878977)

https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1521936263581949956 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1521936263581949956)

A Russian chopper already violated Finnish airspace this morning
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 05, 2022, 03:32:00 PM
Lavrov doubled down, Putin says sorry.
Either these two are playing bad cop, anti-semite cop or the house of cards is collapsing.

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1522260175536676866 (https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1522260175536676866)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 05, 2022, 07:15:13 PM
https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1522210051770966016 (https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1522210051770966016)

As Putin is meandering about harry potter borscht drug addicts nazi's wikipedia, military recruitment offices are set ablaze
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 05, 2022, 10:24:38 PM
https://www.businessinsider.nl/russias-most-advanced-tank-in-service-was-obliterated-by-ukraine-just-days-after-it-was-deployed-according-to-reports/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on May 05, 2022, 10:41:50 PM
Quote from: Nintex on May 05, 2022, 07:15:13 PM
https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1522210051770966016 (https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1522210051770966016)

As Putin is meandering about harry potter borscht drug addicts nazi's wikipedia, military recruitment offices are set ablaze

Two things:
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on May 05, 2022, 10:46:55 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on May 05, 2022, 10:24:38 PM
https://www.businessinsider.nl/russias-most-advanced-tank-in-service-was-obliterated-by-ukraine-just-days-after-it-was-deployed-according-to-reports/
Article makes it sound like that was the only one they built.

The problem is that with the "quality" of the russian command you actually have to give that idea some consideration.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 05, 2022, 11:46:15 PM
I mean any tank will get destroyed under the right circumstances, and this is nowhere as important as the Moskova sinking.  It's just a propaganda piece that further diminishes notions of Russia's military might. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on May 06, 2022, 03:04:44 AM
Germany is introducing a 9-Euro-ticket (valid for one month) that allows you to use all public transportation as often as you like (buses, trams, trains), excluding faster trains (IC and ICE). Available for three months, starting in June.
Now that is a great plan to reduce fossil fuel consumption.
https://berlinspectator.com/2022/05/05/germanys-9-euro-ticket-where-to-get-it-and-how-to-benefit-from-it/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 06, 2022, 03:58:23 AM
That's insane, in Holland a 9 Euro bus ticket would get you 10 miles on a bus.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on May 06, 2022, 04:29:47 PM
Quote from: https://www.thedailybeast.com/intercepted-calls-catch-russian-troops-sabotaging-vladimir-putins-war-plans-by-breaking-tanks?scrolla=5eb6d68b7fedc32c19ef33b4
Russian fighters have been sharing tips with one another about how to deliberately damage their own equipment and hamper Russian President Vladimir Putin’s war plans in Ukraine, according to recordings of alleged Russian troops’ phone calls that the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) intercepted.

In one regiment, one Russian soldier allegedly said they’ve been pouring sand into the tanks’ fuel systems to clog them up.

“I don't follow stupid orders, I simply refuse,” one fighter can be heard telling a comrade. “The motherf*cker sent me to tanks, motherf*cking piece of shit. I f*cked it up and that's it.”

When the fellow Russian soldier on the other end of the line heard the unit wasn’t punished for the insubordination, he indicated he might repeat the tactic later in his own unit.

Another Russian fighter shared with a family member that he and his comrades deliberately damaged their tank—the last one left in their regiment—to interfere with an attack plan, as well, according to another intercept the SBU shared.

“We have one tank left in the regiment,” he said. “In short, we broke our tank ourselves in the morning so as not to go.”
All according to keikaku. :putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 06, 2022, 05:01:36 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/uj29y2/russian_throws_molotov_cocktails_into_a_military/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 06, 2022, 05:06:22 PM
Russia is done

https://mobile.twitter.com/DemeryUK/status/1522607319753936898 (https://mobile.twitter.com/DemeryUK/status/1522607319753936898)

https://mobile.twitter.com/DemeryUK/status/1522594468565762048 (https://mobile.twitter.com/DemeryUK/status/1522594468565762048)

Shit's burning and breaking down every day and they can't fix it.
'Victory' went from conquering Ukraine, to securing the coast to winning the battle for the Azovstal complex.
The real challenge will be for the west to convince Ukraine not to follow the fleeing Russians and take the fight to the Crimea.

Here we go, the Italians just confiscated Putin's yacht

https://mobile.twitter.com/pevchikh/status/1522682826222706689 (https://mobile.twitter.com/pevchikh/status/1522682826222706689)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: VomKriege on May 06, 2022, 05:19:54 PM
Spanish intelligence had to publicly admit they spied on Catalan leaders.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 07, 2022, 05:36:44 AM
A group calling themselves the Russian resistance has threatened that if the Russians don't retreat by May 9th they'll blow up much of the rail road connections.
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1522633213046407168 (https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1522633213046407168)

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1522633214342352896 (https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1522633214342352896)

Their demands are weirdly specific, releasing Navalny as per usual but also the removal of Kadyrov from the command of the military operation.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 07, 2022, 01:22:37 PM
The reboot nobody wants

https://twitter.com/sarahrainsford/status/1522957722525704194 (https://twitter.com/sarahrainsford/status/1522957722525704194)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on May 07, 2022, 03:20:39 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on May 06, 2022, 05:19:54 PM
Spanish intelligence had to publicly admit they spied on Catalan leaders.  :doge

I'd be more surprised if they hadn't spied on them.

 :yeshrug
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on May 08, 2022, 12:39:04 AM
Quote from: Nintex on May 07, 2022, 05:36:44 AM
A group calling themselves the Russian resistance has threatened that if the Russians don't retreat by May 9th they'll blow up much of the rail road connections.
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1522633213046407168 (https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1522633213046407168)

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1522633214342352896 (https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1522633214342352896)

Their demands are weirdly specific, releasing Navalny as per usual but also the removal of Kadyrov from the command of the military operation.
The last one is interesting. Obviously people within the "special operation" force not happy with being sent to die in the Ukrainian meat grinder.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on May 08, 2022, 02:22:54 AM
Quote from: Nintex on May 07, 2022, 01:22:37 PM
The reboot nobody wants

https://twitter.com/sarahrainsford/status/1522957722525704194 (https://twitter.com/sarahrainsford/status/1522957722525704194)
The Simpsons did it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 08, 2022, 05:07:51 AM
The US army made a cool trailer for WW3
https://twitter.com/debostic/status/1522256992198443008 (https://twitter.com/debostic/status/1522256992198443008)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 08, 2022, 11:26:22 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-61367403

Sinn Fein winning big in NI. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 08, 2022, 01:32:14 PM
Quote from: Stro on May 08, 2022, 07:05:07 AM
That is deeply unsettling

This is also
https://twitter.com/The_IntelHub/status/1523305708451622912 (https://twitter.com/The_IntelHub/status/1523305708451622912)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 08, 2022, 05:08:41 PM
More signs of cracks in Putin's hold to power.

Here's Strelkov (who masterminded the 2014 war in the Donbass) calling out the regime for being a bunch of crooks turning the Donbass into a reservation of shit.
https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1522626542240735239 (https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1522626542240735239)

Earlier he made some predictions about how the war would not end in Russia's favor and those turned out to be pretty accurate.

These are the type of ultra-nationalists that will take down Putin faster than any liberal opposition.


Calls have been intercepted in which Russian soldiers claim Putin has given the order to nuke everything if they don't win by May 9th.
https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1523288096938373127 (https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1523288096938373127)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSQrlBFXoAQ6FQ5?format=jpg)

I don't see how a nuclear strike would work in Russia's favor though. They would vaporize much of their own army in the area where it could make a difference.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on May 09, 2022, 01:45:31 PM
Remember when Trump wanted a parade?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 09, 2022, 03:06:47 PM
Tanking your economy by 12% to own the libs.
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1523725593690329089 (https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1523725593690329089)

meanwhile at the EU
https://twitter.com/CraigWinneker/status/1523614496907952128 (https://twitter.com/CraigWinneker/status/1523614496907952128)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 10, 2022, 06:45:49 PM
Credible reports out there that the Russian front surrounding Kharkiv has collapsed following Ukrainian counter attacks and the Russians are retreating back to Belgorod.

https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1524113171514073091 (https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1524113171514073091)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on May 11, 2022, 12:51:57 AM
https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1524144231773786113
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2022, 12:57:05 AM
Ukraine built the box from Primer and is filling the country full of doubles of slightly different ages. Wake up sheeple!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2022, 03:31:35 AM
https://twitter.com/RaxKingIsDead/status/1524100216688885761
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on May 11, 2022, 01:30:26 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-61404062?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=627be6919f4dc85502038c3d%26UK%20and%20Finland%20are%20%27great%20friends%27%20-%20Finish%20president%262022-05-11T16%3A39%3A55.755Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:7e0d3129-2ab3-4165-8fad-90675e86ea52&pinned_post_asset_id=627be6919f4dc85502038c3d&pinned_post_type=share

Unfortunate typo.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 11, 2022, 02:38:33 PM
Looks like the Kharkiv front reports were accurate, Russian village has been hit by Ukrainian artillery.
https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1524446783992217601 (https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1524446783992217601)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 11, 2022, 02:56:10 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-61403320
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 11, 2022, 06:46:34 PM
https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1524511341968605184 (https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1524511341968605184)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on May 12, 2022, 05:07:17 AM
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1222206827376652288

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on May 12, 2022, 07:05:28 AM
From the same thread:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPY6k1sXkAEFCI9?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on May 12, 2022, 12:26:49 PM
A perfect 0/10
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 12, 2022, 02:05:05 PM
The President and Prime Minister of Finland have officially announced that they want to join NATO.
https://twitter.com/FinGovernment/status/1524646157934280704 (https://twitter.com/FinGovernment/status/1524646157934280704)

The Russkies are taking it well.
https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1524722899231379456 (https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1524722899231379456)

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1524752067176267778 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1524752067176267778)

How it started
(https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/140304124221-17-putin-0304-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg)

How it is going
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSXLzq3akAEvgF_?format=jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on May 12, 2022, 02:37:22 PM
Nintex text me if you feel a shockwave
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 12, 2022, 02:47:15 PM
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1524820812125044736 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1524820812125044736)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on May 12, 2022, 03:31:18 PM
Last time they tried to fuck with Finland didn't exactly go swimmingly so... (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4)


(https://c.tenor.com/xWOwMgU-XPsAAAAC/good-luck-morgan-freeman.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 12, 2022, 03:41:52 PM
Back then the Fins had rifles and IED's, now they come prepared with the biggest artillery force in Europe.
Finland has about 700 Howitzers and 100 MLRS. They also have the best trained artillery crews in probably the world.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on May 12, 2022, 03:48:22 PM
Finland doesn't need artillery. They will find a way to win with rifles and IEDs.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on May 12, 2022, 06:14:44 PM
At the winter olympics they do really well at that sports where you run up hills in skis and then lie down and shoot targets very impressive stuff.


BUT ITS MAY AND THERES NO MORE SNOW THEYRE FUCKED
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on May 12, 2022, 06:21:06 PM
But in movies there's always snow when Russia is shown. Surely the Russians have some sort of portable snow they bring along in case of invasions.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on May 12, 2022, 07:20:38 PM
why does Russia, the largest country, not simply eat the other countries?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on May 12, 2022, 07:38:02 PM
Quote from: Uncle on May 12, 2022, 07:20:38 PM
why does Russia, the largest country, not simply eat the other countries?
Digestion issues.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BrokenVerses on May 12, 2022, 11:45:25 PM
After the disastrous attempts at forcing a river crossing this week you'd think the Russians would be content with having just one quagmire to get bled white in.

Guess not.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: VomKriege on May 14, 2022, 11:36:37 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/13/world/middleeast/shireen-abu-akleh-funeral.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/13/world/middleeast/shireen-abu-akleh-funeral.html)

Israeli police disrupting the funeral of journalist Shireen Abu Akleh.
"Why do people think we're brutal oppressors !?"  :nothing
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 14, 2022, 01:10:33 PM
https://twitter.com/anadoluagency/status/1525522094590681089 (https://twitter.com/anadoluagency/status/1525522094590681089)

The Turks are trying to block Sweden/Finland from joining NATO.

Dutch shells on the Ukrainian front. Our army has written: "Revenge for MH17" on them.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FStpBK2WIAEe9Ya?format=jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on May 14, 2022, 09:05:25 PM
Quote from: Nintex on May 14, 2022, 01:10:33 PM
https://twitter.com/anadoluagency/status/1525522094590681089 (https://twitter.com/anadoluagency/status/1525522094590681089)

The Turks are trying to block Sweden/Finland from joining NATO.

Dutch shells on the Ukrainian front. Our army has written: "Revenge for MH17" on them.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FStpBK2WIAEe9Ya?format=jpg)
MH17 was my baptism of fire into crisis communication on social media.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 15, 2022, 10:31:24 AM
Historic decision made in Finland
https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1525808085129908224 (https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1525808085129908224)

- Turkey will no longer block Finland/Sweden from joining NATO

- PM and President of Finland just announced they intend to join NATO despite Russian threats (or because Russian threats?), Finish parliament will vote in the coming days.

- NATO ready to deploy troops to Baltics(and possibly Scandinavia) to guarantee safety of Finland and Sweden

Rumor is that Finland will vote tommorow and Sweden and Finland both apply (and be granted) NATO membership this tuesday.


UA troops have reached the Russian border after pushing them away from Kharkiv
https://twitter.com/nakipeloua/status/1525947980620210176 (https://twitter.com/nakipeloua/status/1525947980620210176)

It's going to be interesting to see if Ukraine will dig in or moves forward into Belgorod with saboteurs.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 15, 2022, 07:39:57 PM
Quote from: Nintex on May 15, 2022, 10:31:24 AM
(and be granted) NATO membership this tuesday.

That is not how the process works.  It will be some time before they are officially in NATO.

Quote
4. Accession protocols are ratified by NATO countries

The governments of NATO member states ratify the protocols, according to their national requirements and procedures. The ratification procedure varies from country to country. For example, the United States requires a two-thirds majority to pass the required legislation in the Senate. Elsewhere, for example in the United Kingdom, no formal parliamentary vote is required.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 16, 2022, 01:24:04 PM
Sweden is joining NATO also

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1526193581257531392 (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1526193581257531392)

Erdogan has flip flopped again though
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1526251302459777025 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1526251302459777025)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: jorma on May 16, 2022, 03:38:58 PM
I just wish there was a more reliable guy than Erdogan fighting the good fight on this :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 16, 2022, 04:20:20 PM
The battle for Azovstal/Mariupol is over. Zelensky will adress the nation tonight.

Unconfirmed reports that about ~300 (heavily) wounded Ukrainian soldiers have already been evacuated by the Russians.
The remainder of the defenders will surrender before 4 AM. They will all be exchanged for Russian POW's.

The Russians finally got some reality beamed into their televisions
https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1526293852704890882 (https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1526293852704890882)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on May 17, 2022, 03:53:47 AM
Some reports emerging from China that Xi's grip on power might be under threat within the next 18 months.

Interesting times...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on May 17, 2022, 02:24:01 PM
Quote from: Potato on May 17, 2022, 03:53:47 AM
Some reports emerging from China that Xi's grip on power might be under threat within the next 18 months.

Interesting times...

what happens in 18 months  ???
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on May 17, 2022, 03:20:31 PM
Hopefully Xi doesn't come across those reports before then!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on May 17, 2022, 03:26:00 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/c3v24W1.png)

Potato, avid reader of the Scottish Sun :bolo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: jorma on May 17, 2022, 03:44:41 PM
The bit about being ousted within 18 months or so are not emerging from China, but from a western expert on china and the report is a book he wrote that was published in september last year. so the 18 months is actually 10 months or so... :lol

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/unrealistic-expectations-about-change-in-china/2021/09/08/9db0747e-f487-11eb-9068-bf463c8c74de_story.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on May 17, 2022, 03:56:06 PM
https://youtu.be/EX5hcbzZCow
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 17, 2022, 04:32:22 PM
Quote from: Potato on May 17, 2022, 03:53:47 AM
Some reports emerging from China that Xi's grip on power might be under threat within the next 18 months.

Interesting times...
There's a power play in China going on right now. Dutch media also reported on it.
First there was the policy advisor that basically made the case to drop support for Russia and instead follow the EU / US as that would be in China's best interest.

Basically Shanghai is the economic center and Xi is trying to minimize their influence with the extended lockdowns.
However, Shanghai and many other economic centers want to follow the Dutch/UK model of "LET IT RIP" or at least the French and German model of 'controlled spread'.
Which means that the Zero COVID policy that Xi has pushed for is over. Same as the idea that Russia and China can become the 'Dragonbear' i.e. the power players in a multipolar world. 

However, this is more ingrained into the political 'toolbox' of China and Xi than most in the west are aware of.
The COVID lockdowns / quarantine camps is basically the 'Uyghur isolation methods' applied to the pandemic. 

Xi stands a crossroads. Either he can continue to support Russia and decoupling from the west (trying to push the Yuan as a reserve currency for non-US aligned nations) or he can accept that he's part of the EU/US supply chain and Dollar world and China has to operate within those boundaries (which means you can do whatever the fuck you want in Africa and Central Asia but Taiwan and other contested areas that supply critical products(computer chips, oil, grain, gas etc.)  are a no-go). Or he can work together with the EU and US.

Xi is more inclined to launch an attack on Taiwan than join forces against Russia, which would end in a bigger failure than Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Given the fact that Taiwan is an island that has prepared all their defenses to deal with such an assault.
The weapon systems and tactics of China would look much like those of the Russian Empire. In reality most landing ships would be sunk before they would ever reach the shore of Taiwan and that's before the US would enact a naval blockade.

However, CCP power struggles are slow. It took Xi a long time to get rid of his main opposition and claim power.


How it pans out is everyone's guess but the most likely scenario is that Russia will change course before August.
August is the window for the Ukrainians to launch a big counter attack on the exhausted Russian BTG's with arms supplied by NATO countries.
Russia would have to literally nuke themselves to stop such an assault and prevent Ukraine from taking the Crimea or even Belgorod.

Russia's play right now is to create another 'frozen' conflict and keep their gains, like they did in Ukraine in 2014 and Georgia before.
However this depends on Ukraine playing ball with this strategy and they've already shown in Kharkiv and other places that they won't accept a frozen conflict.

With the dire state the Russian airforce and army are in, in theory 400 - 500 Ukrainian tanks could roll up to Moscow.

Putin has now announced massive exercises across the CSTO this summer to keep Belarus, Khazachstan and the others in line, which just means there will be fewer units to defend the Russian borders.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on May 17, 2022, 04:52:29 PM
what are your thoughts on the information contained herein

https://imgur.com/gallery/VjmZNjR
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on May 17, 2022, 05:19:38 PM
Quote from: Uncle on May 17, 2022, 03:26:00 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/c3v24W1.png)

Potato, avid reader of the Scottish Sun :bolo
I'm assuming the Scottish Sun (lol putting Scotland and Sun together is just cruel) is just another News Ltd paper. I picked it up from our local shithouse equivalent, but it's been reported in other places over the past 6-12 months.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on May 17, 2022, 05:37:13 PM
Quote from: Uncle on May 17, 2022, 04:52:29 PM
what are your thoughts on the information contained herein

https://imgur.com/gallery/VjmZNjR
Shithole countries have always existed, these are just modern versions of shithole countries. Whether they start an out of control fire that burns the whole world, I dunno...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 17, 2022, 05:58:25 PM
Quote from: Uncle on May 17, 2022, 04:52:29 PM
what are your thoughts on the information contained herein

https://imgur.com/gallery/VjmZNjR
Anyone not aligned with the EU, Japan or US is fucked because 'globalism' is dead.

As a EU citizen. We still have ways to go until the situation becomes dire.
For me inflation is paying 2.22 Euro for a litre of Petrol (~$9 a gallon) and 24.50 for a Steak dinner (as opposed to 1.15 a litre and 18.50 for steak during the MAGA king rule).
My average hourly rate went from 100/hr to 120/hr in 3 months (not counting value based pricing). 

As long as everyone increases wages and prices, we take a hit but should be fine overall in general. Economic activivity is not slowing down.
Additional economic growth on the short term will emerge from moving more production (weapons, medicine, tech etc.) back to the EU at the expense of China and India.

Places already on the brink like Sri Lanka, Russia or Iran though? Completely fucked and no way to be unfucked.
I have a trainee from Georgia (the country not the state) at the office, she's well educated and works for a travel agency learning a thing or two about online marketing.
But I can tell from her clothes and reaction to us dumping food in the bin that she's just from another planet in terms of wealth.

I honestly think that's what Trump 2.0 will bring about once the self-flagellating Biden era is over. The realization that NATO-land (except Turkey) is rich and the rest of the world is poor af.
Combined with the rise of anti-migrant policies in Europe this means that Putin will get the two-polar world that he wished for.
One that we (thankfully) live in and is restructured and largely automated to 'take care of itself' and a second world which is basically constantly in turmoil as cheap human labour is no longer in demand.

Dugin said something about that Russians were more willing to suffer. It hurts like hell but I can take 3 Euro/litre (~$12 / gallon) of gas for a year. Because for me the trade off is buying less steak or video games.
However, me paying 3 Euro/litre for 3 months and being stuck with just my backlog means 10 million Russians will literally starve to death because they can't afford to put food on their plate. That's the reality we're living in.

That brings me back to what a Dutch journalist who went to Iraq, Somalia, Syria, Afghanistan and all these places said about refugees once:
"If people knew how much the average refugee deeply hates us for what we have, we'd never let them in"

The end result will be, that we (EU/US/JP/NATO) will be more powerful than ever before because there's literally no one else to turn to.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on May 17, 2022, 10:08:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on May 17, 2022, 10:15:33 PM
Another proud free Nintex Theory™ available exclusively on The Bire: people in the First World are rich, people in the rest of the world are less so and that's why we should pursue autarky.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BrokenVerses on May 17, 2022, 11:13:16 PM
Quote from: Nintex on May 16, 2022, 04:20:20 PM
The battle for Azovstal/Mariupol is over. Zelensky will adress the nation tonight.

Unconfirmed reports that about ~300 (heavily) wounded Ukrainian soldiers have already been evacuated by the Russians.
The remainder of the defenders will surrender before 4 AM. They will all be exchanged for Russian POW's.

The Russians finally got some reality beamed into their televisions
https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1526293852704890882 (https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1526293852704890882)

Russia finally took Mariupol on the third month of a 3-day special operation. Is Russia unstoppable now?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: OnlyRegret on May 17, 2022, 11:23:33 PM
Quote from: BrokenVerses on May 17, 2022, 11:13:16 PM
Quote from: Nintex on May 16, 2022, 04:20:20 PM
The battle for Azovstal/Mariupol is over. Zelensky will adress the nation tonight.

Unconfirmed reports that about ~300 (heavily) wounded Ukrainian soldiers have already been evacuated by the Russians.
The remainder of the defenders will surrender before 4 AM. They will all be exchanged for Russian POW's.

The Russians finally got some reality beamed into their televisions
https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1526293852704890882 (https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1526293852704890882)

Russia finally took Mariupol on the third month of a 3-day special operation. Is Russia unstoppable now?

after losing a fleet flagship to a country without a navy, while lying about everything the whole way through
 :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 18, 2022, 04:53:10 PM
How it started, how it is going
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTETefiXEAg-X1k?format=jpg)

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1526819862965895168 (https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1526819862965895168)

Gamers have risen up :salute
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 19, 2022, 09:15:21 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dIjrNwXgrU
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on May 19, 2022, 11:44:31 AM
Mikhail Khodarenok, a retired soviet colonel who spoke surprisingly open and critical about Russia's failing war in Ukraine on live TV a few days ago went back on the air yesterday and sounded somewhat different this time.
International observers believe that everything was staged, preparing viewers for upcoming hardships.

Edit: First appearance:
https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1526293852704890882

In yesterday's appearance he clarified that Russian military command appears to be doing everything in its power to prepare a nasty surprise for Ukraine, to be expected soon.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on May 19, 2022, 12:43:39 PM
https://twitter.com/9NewsAUS/status/1526829546485719041
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on May 19, 2022, 02:59:41 PM
He went full Boris. One should never go full Boris.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5NN5S9sPFM
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on May 19, 2022, 03:22:18 PM
Can Trudeau trample some kid next or this is only part of the Commonwealth Tory playbook like the Power Stance?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on May 19, 2022, 03:25:25 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 19, 2022, 03:22:18 PM
Can Trudeau trample some kid next or this is only part of the Commonwealth Tory playbook like the Power Stance?

He could be convinced as long as he can do it in blackface I guess.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 19, 2022, 04:19:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO9F6BDffx4

Let me raise you Boris wiping out some kraut in a celebrity football match ages ago.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on May 20, 2022, 01:01:23 AM
I've edited my post above, observers think the entire incident was staged and the original assessment was correct: The retired colonel was used to convey unpleasant information and prepare the people for a prolonged engagement.
http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=41489.msg3042225#msg3042225
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 20, 2022, 03:10:22 AM
Quote from: Occam on May 20, 2022, 01:01:23 AM
I've edited my post above, observers think the entire incident was staged and the original assessment was correct: The retired colonel was used to convey unpleasant information and prepare the people for a prolonged engagement.
http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=41489.msg3042225#msg3042225
Yeah it was strange. Probably controlled opposition.
With that said Girkin is still calling out the regime in ways unthinkable months ago.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on May 20, 2022, 04:02:01 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 19, 2022, 12:43:39 PM
https://twitter.com/9NewsAUS/status/1526829546485719041
ScoMo should have gone in two footed on the little cunt for wearing a Ronaldo shirt.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 20, 2022, 04:09:34 PM
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1527328024638541826 (https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1527328024638541826)

St. Petersburg also, people chanting "Fuck the war"
https://twitter.com/SobolLubov/status/1527943485055197184 (https://twitter.com/SobolLubov/status/1527943485055197184)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on May 21, 2022, 08:19:22 PM
Eagerly awaiting Nintex to update us on the Australian elections
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on May 21, 2022, 08:29:09 PM
You don't need Nintex, you can come to the source.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Centre left have claimed victory, but waiting to see if they have a majority or need support of independents or minor parties for supply.

They will fuck it up within two term though and we'll be back to the centre right in power again.
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on May 21, 2022, 10:47:06 PM
What's the saying again?

Go antiwoke, lose for the first time in 12 years?

Has a certain ring to it
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on May 22, 2022, 11:52:58 AM
What is it about local politics that attracts so many weird fuckers?  :gbcry

https://twitter.com/marcusbarnett_/status/1528316864241205249
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 22, 2022, 01:30:41 PM
Anyone who is willing to go by Jonty is suspicious in the first place.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Polident Hive on May 22, 2022, 06:30:49 PM
Love it when the profile photo matches the message 100%.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 22, 2022, 06:31:43 PM
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1528446862474194945 (https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1528446862474194945)

  :snoop
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on May 23, 2022, 09:34:04 AM
Quote from: james on May 21, 2022, 08:19:22 PM
Eagerly awaiting Nintex to update us on the Australian elections
https://twitter.com/mrgracemugabe/status/1528157122617577472
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 23, 2022, 01:12:11 PM
I enjoyed this one

https://twitter.com/_evelynrae/status/1528275897727340546 (https://twitter.com/_evelynrae/status/1528275897727340546)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 23, 2022, 01:31:14 PM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1528628943607459840 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1528628943607459840)

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1528660130652377089 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1528660130652377089)

If there's any devices you want to buy I'd hurry up.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 23, 2022, 06:16:59 PM
Meanwhile a few countries are still trying to avoid disaster
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1528854276054962176 (https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1528854276054962176)

However, blocking food supplies is a deliberate move by the Kremlin.
They estimate it will result in about 20 million refugees who will attempt to reach Europe from Africa and the Middle East.
Russia thinks that a famine in Africa and the Middle East will give Europe no choice but to lift the sanctions against Russia.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 24, 2022, 12:40:02 PM
https://twitter.com/MFA_China/status/1529091912103170049 (https://twitter.com/MFA_China/status/1529091912103170049)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 25, 2022, 07:07:37 PM
https://twitter.com/patrickwintour/status/1529508324202487810 (https://twitter.com/patrickwintour/status/1529508324202487810)

Active Waiting

I have to remember that one.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 26, 2022, 12:29:40 PM
You're hearing less about Ukraine because the situation is not good for them.
The Russians are throwing more bodies into the meat grinder and they're crawling forward.

Meanwhile the occupied lands are being brainwashed.
https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1529708851401990146 (https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1529708851401990146)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on May 26, 2022, 12:50:01 PM
I saw that in the Hunger Games
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 26, 2022, 02:48:34 PM
The Russians are still losing their shit because this is a self-own no matter how it ends on the battlefield.  :doge

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1529877619986006018 (https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1529877619986006018)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 27, 2022, 01:07:47 PM
https://twitter.com/IranIntl_En/status/1530216812452925441 (https://twitter.com/IranIntl_En/status/1530216812452925441)

The Iranians have seized two Greek oil tankers.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on May 27, 2022, 06:23:58 PM
https://twitter.com/IndigenousON/status/1530173884653309959
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 27, 2022, 06:41:55 PM
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1530287634253336576 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1530287634253336576)

The Iranians threaten to seize another 17 ships.
Glad I filled up my car today

Why hasn't NATO yeeted the Iranian fleet yet?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 28, 2022, 03:33:34 AM
https://twitter.com/business/status/1530253160035631107 (https://twitter.com/business/status/1530253160035631107)

Germany stonewalled arms shipments enough for Ukraine to lose their momentum on the battlefield and funded Russia's military with energy purchases.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 28, 2022, 07:24:50 PM
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1530652831539249153 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1530652831539249153)

https://twitter.com/tassagency_en/status/1530685420014649344 (https://twitter.com/tassagency_en/status/1530685420014649344)

It's going to be very difficult for Ukraine to keep the Donbass out of Russian hands.
Today Ukraine announced a big counter offensive in the Kherson region but no news yet on how that went.

Russia's advance is now slow and steady, backed up by heavy artillery bombardments.


This is why Russia is so difficult to beat in a conventional war.
https://twitter.com/Hromadske/status/1530966460696342534 (https://twitter.com/Hromadske/status/1530966460696342534)

9(!) failed river crossings, so what do they do? They try it again.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 30, 2022, 02:05:07 PM
If you think that military victories will make Russia any less insane you are wrong.

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1531012721713504257 (https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1531012721713504257)

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1531301883628986368 (https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1531301883628986368)

And their 'victory' looks like this:
https://twitter.com/sommervilletv/status/1531329598474043392 (https://twitter.com/sommervilletv/status/1531329598474043392)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on May 30, 2022, 11:58:44 PM
https://twitter.com/HackneyAbbott/status/1531168330010308609

 :rollsafe
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 31, 2022, 03:26:48 AM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1531526584968318976 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1531526584968318976)

And an oil boycott

gas prices already soaring to 2.40 a litre.
That's a few cents short of $10 a gallon
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on May 31, 2022, 04:07:10 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61653755

Quote
Boris Johnson's standards adviser says there is a "legitimate question" over whether the PM broke the ministerial code after getting fined for Partygate.

Lord Geidt said he repeatedly told the PM's team to be ready to explain if his actions stuck within the rules - even if he thought there was no breach.

But he said the advice had not been "heeded", calling on Mr Johnson to set out his case to the public.

Oh I'm sure he'll oblige.

"Somethingsomething was not aware something I'm very sorry something let's get on with the job something"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 31, 2022, 04:23:47 PM
1. I'm not sure the main Boris Johnson base give a shit that he broke the rules.
2. He'll ride out a few weeks of dissent and calls to go for a few weeks until something else comes up as per usual for his reign.
3. Kier Starmer will end up falling on his sword like the loser dork that he is for his own lockdown shindigs, and Labour will have managed to somehow score an own goal even though they broke through their defence and was through 4 on 1, to use a football analogy.
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tbf this might not even be the worst thing to happen, starmer sux
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** i've not been following the internal labour politix at all so they might be all in a civil war over jk rowling or something idk
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 01, 2022, 02:38:33 PM
https://twitter.com/AlexofBrown/status/1531969453306654721 (https://twitter.com/AlexofBrown/status/1531969453306654721)

 :lol

In Dutch news our government sits at an approval rating of 17%.

https://twitter.com/LouisDegenhardt/status/1532050438937362432 (https://twitter.com/LouisDegenhardt/status/1532050438937362432)

Yeah right, ya cunts  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 02, 2022, 02:25:59 PM
Chaos reigns

https://twitter.com/RojavaIC/status/1532255902660759555 (https://twitter.com/RojavaIC/status/1532255902660759555)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 03, 2022, 07:37:36 PM
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1532616405849411585 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1532616405849411585)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 04, 2022, 04:18:38 PM
https://twitter.com/eha_news/status/1533152249375035393 (https://twitter.com/eha_news/status/1533152249375035393)

Turkey about to invade Syria.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 05, 2022, 07:02:29 AM
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1533303672930717697 (https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1533303672930717697)

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1533213316184690689 (https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1533213316184690689)

https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1532392137182130177 (https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1532392137182130177)

The death cult intensifies
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 06, 2022, 03:39:36 AM
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1533708387103522816 (https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1533708387103522816)

This is going to be a nailbiter
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on June 06, 2022, 06:32:40 AM
Quote from: Nintex on June 06, 2022, 03:39:36 AM
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1533708387103522816 (https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1533708387103522816)

This is going to be a nailbiter
The fact that it's taken this long or that it's even considered anything other than a fait accompli tells you all you need to know about British politics.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on June 06, 2022, 07:47:29 AM
"British public wrong about nearly everything, survey shows" remains an evergreen headline

-Vote for Boris, no longer like Boris
https://twitter.com/jamesjohnson252/status/1533756441294737409

-Vote for Brexit, no longer like Brexit
https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1533538651581337600
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on June 06, 2022, 07:53:33 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/uCCecUg.png)

This is probably the shittiest backdrop I have seen on a zoom call. And its for TV news  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on June 06, 2022, 10:32:22 AM
So apparently spacex has provided over 15,000 starlink terminals to ukraine.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 06, 2022, 01:01:23 PM
The sad thing about this situation is that if Boris goes so does Ukraine.

Scholz and Macron are unwilling to deliver the kind of military support Boris is willing to provide and its doubtful a new Tory PM will keep up this level of support.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on June 06, 2022, 01:05:09 PM
He'll win, if they wanted him gone they should've done it in January or February imo.

There no obvious replacement either.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 06, 2022, 02:38:23 PM
Some working for the cabinet are already jumping ship, I don't think Boris will make it
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1533874318815510529 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1533874318815510529)


Meanwhile in Syria Assad's forces, the Kurds and the American backed Syrian rebels have announced that they will work together to defeat the Turkish army should they invade.
Russia is going to try and convince Erdogan not to invade.  :doge

Basically a NATO army will invade Syria and the NATO-backed and armed rebels will fight that army alongside Assad.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on June 06, 2022, 03:01:26 PM
I never said I was any sort of expert :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on June 06, 2022, 04:13:50 PM
He survived
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1533901857025839104
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on June 06, 2022, 04:23:31 PM
Quote from: Pissy F Benny on June 06, 2022, 03:01:26 PM
I never said I was any sort of expert :trumps

Or did I :rollsafe
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 06, 2022, 05:58:54 PM
Ukraine is very happy with the result

https://twitter.com/Podolyak_M/status/1533902519784595456 (https://twitter.com/Podolyak_M/status/1533902519784595456)

Not a very strong mandate for Boris though, he'll have to do better to restore the confidence of the MP's and the country.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Tycoon Padre on June 07, 2022, 07:29:42 AM
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1534129493845196801

 :confused

https://twitter.com/TotalMoodHoover/status/1534129729128865793

 :rodney
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on June 07, 2022, 09:24:54 AM
https://twitter.com/HMP_TheMount/status/1533837938995478529


 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on June 08, 2022, 05:09:38 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-british-food-supermarkets-farmers-b2092612.html

Quote
Brexit means fall in crops and fewer British products in supermarkets, farmers tell MPs

All according to keikaku
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 08, 2022, 03:22:16 PM
https://twitter.com/RudawEnglish/status/1534574272378769411 (https://twitter.com/RudawEnglish/status/1534574272378769411)

https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1534571790915231746 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1534571790915231746)

Anime betrayal
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 08, 2022, 04:12:42 PM
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1534497211781890049 (https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1534497211781890049)

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 08, 2022, 05:05:28 PM
- The IAEA condemned Iran's nuclear program for violating the international agreements
- Iran threw a hissy fit and turned off the UN monitoring equipment and vowed to increase their number of centrifuges
- The Ayatollah says Israeli's were a plague even before Israel existed

Boy that escalated quickly

https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/1534621400232869891 (https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/1534621400232869891)

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1534627336414453760  (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1534627336414453760)

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1534634459319902208 (https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1534634459319902208)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 10, 2022, 04:34:42 PM
After a week of heavy fighting Putin emerges as the victor, very dark days in Europe ahead.

https://twitter.com/OstapYarysh/status/1534926057136181250 (https://twitter.com/OstapYarysh/status/1534926057136181250)

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1535339238815944705 (https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1535339238815944705)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on June 10, 2022, 04:38:15 PM
Remember when the Twitter experts said the Russians only had a 3 week supply chain and then they would collapse?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 10, 2022, 05:22:58 PM
Quote from: james on June 10, 2022, 04:38:15 PM
Remember when the Twitter experts said the Russians only had a 3 week supply chain and then they would collapse?
They were right about Russia's logistical issues but any quick end to this war always hinged on Russia deciding that the cost was too high to continue.
The military expert folks always laugh at them when they bring out their cold war (or even WW2 era) tanks and guns but that shit is reliable and very easy to use. You load a shell, you fire. Any idiot can do it and they really don't care what they hit.
In the same sense even a half-working tank is better than no tank.

Right now Ukraine is waiting on German missile systems that need to be refitted because their targetting doesn't work with British/American missiles. These weapons were crucial at this stage but have been delayed until fall.
They are also waiting for Polish Leopard tanks stored in Switzerland but Switzerland won't transport them to Ukraine. The Germans promised a bunch of Swiss-made anti-air tanks but the Swiss aren't willing or able to supply the ammo so it's being sourced from Brazil which will take far longer. Poland is now entering a contract with South Korea to build tanks based on a Korean design in Poland. Thus they will no longer depend on Germany, France or the US/UK for tank production. However it will take time to ramp up production. The UK is the most reliable partner for Ukraine along with the US with their arms shipments but those stockpiles aren't endless either. There's also talk about 'sabotage' of shipments (weapons not working or parts missing) and some Ukrainian militia units selling their received equipment (such as Javelins) on the black market.

Ukraine is now fighting on a 500km (~300 mile) front. Biden is sending 4 HIMARS missile systems I believe, while capable those are not nearly enough to defend the front. Weapon shipments need to increase 5 times, maybe 10 times to keep the Russians at bay and most of all they need long range weapons. Those Howitzers they got from the US and Ceasars from France are a big help but again not enough.

As the war progresses and they run out of their own stockpiles the Ukrainian armed forces are starting to look a lot like the Wehrmacht did in WW2. Plenty of advanced high quality and high maintenance weapon systems with unique capabilities in low quantities but simply not enough regular artillery guns, machine guns and assault rifles.

Not only does Russia have a surplus of all their basic weapons they produce themselves (and tons of ammo) but they've also exported those designs to other countries (China/India etc.) so they can easily source additional ammo.
So while Russia might run out of cruise missiles and hypersonic weapons, they won't run out of AK-47 ammo or artillery shells anytime soon if ever.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 11, 2022, 05:14:13 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-e2-80-98largely-to-blame-e2-80-99-for-c2-a331bn-loss-to-uk-economy-study-finds/ar-AAYiM1u

 Brexit ‘largely to blame’ for Ł31bn loss to UK economy, study finds


Can't put a price on freedom though
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 11, 2022, 06:47:32 AM
Canada and Denmark now have a land border https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-canada-and-denmark-reach-settlement-over-disputed-arctic-island/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 12, 2022, 05:56:40 PM
https://twitter.com/serhey_hayday/status/1536071894595776512 (https://twitter.com/serhey_hayday/status/1536071894595776512)

90% of the city has been damaged or destroyed

 :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on June 12, 2022, 10:46:56 PM
Somehow Russia thinks it wins by destroying everything.

Russia  :derp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 13, 2022, 07:48:55 PM
All the bridges to Severodonetsk have been destroyed. The bulk of the UA forces have retreated east of the city.
Pockets of resistance keep up the fight, fighting the Russians street by street.

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1536458765284818944 (https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1536458765284818944)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 14, 2022, 02:48:09 PM
Probably one of the last reports from a western media outlet in Donetsk.

https://twitter.com/OrlaGuerin/status/1536583278999781377 (https://twitter.com/OrlaGuerin/status/1536583278999781377)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 15, 2022, 03:29:21 PM
You: The Avengers is the most ambitious cross-over of all time.

INGERLAND:

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1537029871733465090 (https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1537029871733465090)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on June 15, 2022, 03:45:37 PM
Fat shaming scum :oreilly
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 15, 2022, 04:21:12 PM
https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1537072683489320963 (https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1537072683489320963)

And the only way to save Joe Biden's presidency
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Tycoon Padre on June 16, 2022, 11:15:13 AM
The closing pitch in the last leg of the Wakefield by-election:

https://twitter.com/Tony_Diver/status/1537439707818209280

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 16, 2022, 03:40:18 PM
https://twitter.com/TelegraphWorld/status/1537459859527966721 (https://twitter.com/TelegraphWorld/status/1537459859527966721)

bold move
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 19, 2022, 07:18:21 PM
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1538660160083791873 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1538660160083791873)

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/XxRgqmxm29i2JUF0lC/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2022, 01:10:24 PM
Macron lost his majority in parliament. Center-right parties pretty much all lost seats, the Left alliance and Le Pen party gained. Macron alliance plus the center-right alliance still has slight majority though.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 20, 2022, 02:48:22 PM
Lithuania has blocked Kalingrad. The Russians aren't happy

https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1538865697442373632 (https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1538865697442373632)

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1538910841378066432 (https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1538910841378066432)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 22, 2022, 10:12:32 AM
 Zelenskyy giving a talk to my university in the middle of a war is kind of wild

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZe_kji363g
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 23, 2022, 02:29:54 PM
https://twitter.com/NicholasVinocur/status/1539922577048608768 (https://twitter.com/NicholasVinocur/status/1539922577048608768)

https://twitter.com/markets/status/1539933813798756353 (https://twitter.com/markets/status/1539933813798756353)

Good job all

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1540041618354585600 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1540041618354585600)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 24, 2022, 03:08:37 AM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1540222949881688066 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1540222949881688066)

Welp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on June 24, 2022, 03:30:55 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/vjhmyi/better_video_of_russian_air_defense_system_in/

Woopsie
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 24, 2022, 03:44:19 AM
That's quite the self own  :lol

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1540110286652317696 (https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1540110286652317696)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 24, 2022, 07:04:56 PM
https://twitter.com/ihatedevmap_QA/status/1540380021348601858 (https://twitter.com/ihatedevmap_QA/status/1540380021348601858)

:pika :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 25, 2022, 07:24:47 AM
A 42-year-old man has been arrested and charged with murder, attempted murder and terrorist acts after a shooting in the centre of Norway's capital, Oslo.

Two people were killed and 21 injured in the overnight attack on a busy nightlife district.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61933817
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 25, 2022, 08:59:26 AM
42 is quite old for the average radicalized mental ill islamist to suddenly commit a hate crime.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 25, 2022, 10:47:44 AM
Ya certainly an outlier for Islamist terrorists in terms of age, but I don't think it has any meaning.  Just because more people become radicalized at a younger age and more likely to act on it at a younger age, doesn't mean it can't happen to older people.  Also just because a lot of the preventative talk is based around youth doesn't mean that it isn't valid, just that it is limited.   
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 25, 2022, 10:59:21 AM
He was Iranian no? They've been threatening with 'consequences' because of the nuclear talks that stranded.
Turkey and Israel have been on high alert for weeks. Wouldn't put it past the IRGC to distribute some weapons among unstable but useful idiots.
Same for the GRU/FSB.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 25, 2022, 11:17:45 AM
The reason I wrote my response as is is because I knew you were going to base some big conspiracy on a small outlier.  It's not to say it might not be possible, nor that it isn't probably a result of Iranian stochastic terrorism, but the simplest answer doesn't need to explain away the guys age or evoke hollywoodesque spy games. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on June 25, 2022, 02:26:43 PM
Half of Resetera is 40+ and they're ready to commit domestic terrorism, sooooooooo...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 25, 2022, 06:34:01 PM
https://twitter.com/BNNRU/status/1540813497566539776 (https://twitter.com/BNNRU/status/1540813497566539776)


https://twitter.com/lookner/status/1540826103631282176 (https://twitter.com/lookner/status/1540826103631282176)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on June 26, 2022, 02:51:41 PM
I thought Putin was getting overthrown last month while I surgery what happened
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 26, 2022, 05:58:29 PM
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1541107798800584704 (https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1541107798800584704)

https://twitter.com/IuliiaMendel/status/1541147850465333250 (https://twitter.com/IuliiaMendel/status/1541147850465333250)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on June 26, 2022, 06:26:57 PM
https://twitter.com/MikeSington/status/1541063372220731392

Release the Kraken
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 26, 2022, 06:30:04 PM
General Big Chungus

A weapon to surpass Metal Gear?!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 27, 2022, 11:03:12 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-shopping-centre-russian-missiles-b2110346.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on June 27, 2022, 12:02:56 PM
Quote from: Propagandhim on June 26, 2022, 06:26:57 PM
https://twitter.com/MikeSington/status/1541063372220731392

Release the Kraken

does this really look like "nearly 300 lbs" to anyone else?

I would guess 400
:idont
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on June 27, 2022, 12:22:43 PM
Russians occupying Snake Island get obliterated, part 27.

https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1541390107999174658

I don't understand why they insist on that place, they're just sitting ducks :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 27, 2022, 02:42:44 PM
Quote
I don't understand why they insist on that place, they're just sitting ducks :lol

The gas fields in the black sea would be my guess.

One of Russia's goals is to conquer the Azov and black sea coasts leaving Ukraine landlocked and no longer limiting the Russian Navy and merchant vessels to just the port of Sevastopol.

(https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Genaro-Diarte-Plata/publication/333984628/figure/fig1/AS:773386552758275@1561401131984/The-Black-Sea-map-and-sampling-areas-of-Rapana-venosa-near-the-Ukrainian-shelf-of-NWBS.ppm)

You could easily deploy mobile missile systems there.
With Mariupol already conquered the battle for Odessa will probably be the most important battle of the war.


The Russians continue their terror hitting a shopping mall far beyond the front lines.
https://twitter.com/myroslavapetsa/status/1541436038710788096 (https://twitter.com/myroslavapetsa/status/1541436038710788096)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 27, 2022, 06:29:00 PM
https://twitter.com/BNNBreaking/status/1541504869160198145 (https://twitter.com/BNNBreaking/status/1541504869160198145)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 27, 2022, 07:30:58 PM
https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/1541555915710615552 (https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/1541555915710615552)

Caught at the G7, Macron asking Biden to increase US oil production because according to him the Saudi's and UAE are maxed out already.
Biden's plan was to ask Saudi Arabia and UAE to produce more oil.

https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/1541558368023678978 (https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/1541558368023678978)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on June 28, 2022, 01:29:02 AM
Unlike the United States Dollar, you can't just print more oil. You actually have to do work to get it out of the ground.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 28, 2022, 07:15:25 AM
https://twitter.com/hotdevil07/status/1541721560712482821 (https://twitter.com/hotdevil07/status/1541721560712482821)

Cheers bois
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 28, 2022, 03:24:35 PM
Turkey has dropped their opposition against Sweden and Finland joining NATO.
Erdogan gets everything he wanted. Sweden and Finland will extradite some 'terrorists', they will lift the arms embargo on Turkey and will share intelligence among many other things.

https://twitter.com/NATOpress/status/1541860343026163712 (https://twitter.com/NATOpress/status/1541860343026163712)

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1541855921751691270 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1541855921751691270)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on June 29, 2022, 09:53:03 AM
BoJo desperate to score some brownie points :lol

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61976526

Quote
Russian President Vladimir Putin would not have invaded Ukraine if he were a woman, Boris Johnson has claimed.

The UK prime minister said the "crazy, macho" invasion was a "perfect example of toxic masculinity" and he called for "more women in positions of power".
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on June 29, 2022, 10:34:12 AM
 :huh


I wonder if boris johnson would've made that comment if he were a woman
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on June 29, 2022, 12:07:34 PM
What if (s)he is a woman deep down inside, didn't think about that did you bigot :social2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on June 30, 2022, 05:47:17 AM
Quote
The Russian Defence Ministry says it has withdrawn its forces from Snake Island, which became a focus of attention in the first few days of the war when a small group of Ukrainian soldiers defending the island were heard in audio recordings telling a Russian warship to "go to hell".

"As a goodwill gesture, Russian troops have today completed the performance of tasks on Snake Island and withdrawn the garrison stationed there," the ministry said.

Quote
The ministry says the move shows the global community "the Russian Federation is not hampering the UN's efforts to organise a humanitarian corridor to ship farming produce out of Ukraine".

It says the decision will mean Kyiv can no longer suggest that any food crisis and inability to export grain is "due to Russia's total control of the northwestern part of the Black Sea".

"Now it is up to the Ukrainian side that is still not clearing the Black Sea coastline, including the harbour waters," the ministry says.

I'm sure it's got nothing to do with them getting obliterated yet again this morning :lol

https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1542410755600941057
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 30, 2022, 01:12:25 PM
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1542531678094217216 (https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1542531678094217216)

Quote
Speaking to reporters, Putin retorted that, unlike him, Western leaders abuse alcohol and don’t do sports.

“I don’t know how they wanted to get undressed, above or below the waist,” he said. ““But I think it would be a disgusting sight in any case.”

He noted that to look good “it’s necessary to stop abusing alcohol and other bad habits, do physical exercise and take part in sports.”

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on June 30, 2022, 04:16:25 PM
Taking part in sports is always fun when the opponent is fearful of being assassinated if they beat you.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 30, 2022, 05:18:12 PM
Planning another '3 day' war.

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1542599226772824070 (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1542599226772824070)

https://twitter.com/lilygrutcher/status/1542621887318081536 (https://twitter.com/lilygrutcher/status/1542621887318081536)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
“There was a young fellow from Ankara, Who was a terrific wankerer.

“Till he sowed his wild oats, With the help of a goat, But he didn’t even stop to thankera.”

Winning entry for the most offensive Erdogan Poem contest, written by Boris Johnson (This is actually real look it up)
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 01, 2022, 09:50:44 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLtNe9sA9AU
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on July 01, 2022, 02:23:13 PM
So the tories lost two seats in the Commons recently, after a by-election (they got obliterated) triggered because the two MPs got shitcanned, one for watching porn in the Commons, the other for sexual assault.

And now...


Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
Hey I'm gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62014765

Quote
A former deputy chief whip alleged to have groped two men in a private members' club has been suspended as a Conservative MP.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on July 01, 2022, 02:30:26 PM
It's almost as if had the labour party not gone to an election with a raving lunatic as leader then they might have won and we wouldn't have been subjected to more Boris Johnson...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 01, 2022, 06:28:31 PM
https://twitter.com/LibyaReview/status/1542938515365056512 (https://twitter.com/LibyaReview/status/1542938515365056512)

https://twitter.com/LibyaReview/status/1542992536863662080 (https://twitter.com/LibyaReview/status/1542992536863662080)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2022, 08:04:02 PM
I see Nintex launched his blockade of Germany:
https://twitter.com/TheRealKeean/status/1542600414943539200
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on July 03, 2022, 06:07:37 AM
https://twitter.com/laserboat999/status/1542989549080457216
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 03, 2022, 07:15:01 AM
Ukraine has bombed the Russian city of Belgorod overnight
https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1543461838184218625 (https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1543461838184218625)

Despite brave low altitude strikes from the UA air force Russia has completed their conquest of what they claim is the territory of the Luhansk People's Republic.
https://twitter.com/ResistUA/status/1543202836598493185 (https://twitter.com/ResistUA/status/1543202836598493185)

https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1543552340854280193 (https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1543552340854280193)

https://twitter.com/jacalx71/status/1543291567208894464 (https://twitter.com/jacalx71/status/1543291567208894464)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 03, 2022, 08:27:07 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 01, 2022, 08:04:02 PM
I see Nintex launched his blockade of Germany:
https://twitter.com/TheRealKeean/status/1542600414943539200
We are becoming literally ungovernable.

https://twitter.com/TheRealKeean/status/1543300949870927873 (https://twitter.com/TheRealKeean/status/1543300949870927873)

Our government got into legal trouble with a climate action group and a judge ruled they must enforce their own nitrogen regulations (which are based on very poor theoretical models).
So they announced 'radical' plans to end this 'crisis' including confiscation of farmland.

Meanwhile there is a housing crisis (we're short about 1 million homes). Because the nitrogen levels are too high (they aren't but oh well) no construction permits can be approved.
Our prime minister then makes comments like: "It's difficult to built in the city so we should just yank out some crops and build there" and the parties heavily pushing this are just mixing their CO2 talking points with Nitrogen.

The farmers put 1 and 2 together, they need to give up their lands so that our government can build more homes and solar panel fields.
However most of the country thinks it's important that we can grow our own food considering the current geopolitical situation (after all ending our own gas production has had dire consequences so far).
More and more groups are now joining this protest as it is starting become a full blown clash between the working class (hit by inflation, high gas prices etc.) and the bureaucrats and climate zealots who want to send in the army to fight the farmers.
Add in some nationalists who want the borders closed and WEF conspiracy folks and you got a tinder box.

The political 'leader' of this movement is this folksy woman and the media are having a hard time convincing us that she's a Nazi like Wilders and Baudet.

(https://d3ncyx4db87lab.cloudfront.net/03/70/117/bbb_caroline.-detail.jpg)

Now the farmers plan to shut down the entire country (airfields, ports, distribution centers) on Monday.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on July 03, 2022, 02:04:32 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 01, 2022, 08:04:02 PM
I see Nintex launched his blockade of Germany:
https://twitter.com/TheRealKeean/status/1542600414943539200

Just go Justin Trudeau on those Nintexes. Problem solved.

(https://abload.de/img/blackface-justin-trud3ojsq.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 03, 2022, 02:18:20 PM
Some protests already today.
https://twitter.com/MenuKaktus/status/1543616976211378178 (https://twitter.com/MenuKaktus/status/1543616976211378178)

The government has scrambled to announce a mediator to begin talks in August, but they insist that the overall plans won't change regardless of those talks.
Caroline van der Plas does not accept the government appointed mediator. The protest is still on.

As I'm typing this the ministry of defense announced that keeping the airport open is 'vital' and that armored vehicles are being deployed to deal with any attempts to block the airport.
The farmers groups have said that they will allow emergency services (ambulances, fire fighters etc.) to pass their blockades if necessary to 'save lives'.
The truck drivers are planning to help the farmers with their protests.

In other news, who wants some (sanctioned) oil?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWwlrWvX0AAnO57?format=jpg)

These people are fucking stupid - Donald J. Trump :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 03, 2022, 06:12:31 PM
The defense of the airport seems to have already failed. The farmers have been spotted earlier this evening taking positions around the airfield.

The police and army said that they have the equipment to remove 1 or 2 tractors from the road tommorow but they lack the equipment(and motivation?) to deal with a large number of farming vehicles nationwide.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 05, 2022, 01:28:26 PM
https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/status/1544371547330097153 (https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/status/1544371547330097153)

Proper mess eh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on July 05, 2022, 01:30:13 PM
https://twitter.com/InsiderEng/status/1544318963336810499


"Strange circumstances" :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on July 05, 2022, 01:39:57 PM
STOP TAKING YOUR GUN INTO THE POOL
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: NekoFever on July 05, 2022, 01:46:01 PM
Quote from: Nintex on July 05, 2022, 01:28:26 PM
https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/status/1544371547330097153 (https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/status/1544371547330097153)

Proper mess eh

I hope Johnson doesn’t go because he’s an electoral disaster for the Tories, but even so  :popcorn
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 05, 2022, 01:55:00 PM
If Boris goes that's the end for Ukraine.

Unless Liz takes over. In that case we'll have a parade in Moscow by Christmas.

https://twitter.com/AWMurrison/status/1544380831178825733 (https://twitter.com/AWMurrison/status/1544380831178825733)

:wut
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 05, 2022, 02:13:59 PM
https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1544378339758116865 (https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1544378339758116865)

Gove stays, Minister of Defense also stays.
Guess the foreign minister holds the key to the fort.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on July 05, 2022, 02:52:42 PM
Quote from: Nintex on July 05, 2022, 01:55:00 PM
If Boris goes that's the end for Ukraine.


 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on July 05, 2022, 03:50:27 PM
Quote from: Raist on July 05, 2022, 01:30:13 PM
https://twitter.com/InsiderEng/status/1544318963336810499


"Strange circumstances" :lol
The question is, did he shoot himself in the back of the head before or after he committed suicide by drowning himself in the pool?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 05, 2022, 06:10:57 PM
Quote from: Raist on July 05, 2022, 02:52:42 PM
Quote from: Nintex on July 05, 2022, 01:55:00 PM
If Boris goes that's the end for Ukraine.


 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
https://twitter.com/olliecarroll/status/1544371423732457478 (https://twitter.com/olliecarroll/status/1544371423732457478)

The situation in Europe right now is that Germany and France want a negotiated peace ASAP so gas and oil deliveries can be restored and England wants to stand and fight alongside Poland.
It is likely a new PM would focus on domestic issues first and probably has to listen to the opposition to build trust. Labour's position is very much in line with France and Germany.
Even in his own party ranks Boris' unwavering commitment to the fight in Ukraine is quite unique. The UK has acted quickly and delivered supplies when it mattered most.

For the US it's always important that Europe is in the fight as much as they are. This is just not the case for a number of core EU countries like Italy, The Netherlands and Germany.
If the UK is in the process of some sort of 'transition of power' for a week or 2 it will significantly weaken the war effort.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on July 06, 2022, 02:31:48 AM
The UK's support has been no different in term of actions than what the vast majority of other countries (bar Germany who keeps dancing around) have been doing. They're just far less vocal about it. And we all know what to do with stuff - like "we're leading the world in supporting Ukraine" - that comes out of Boris' mouth.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 06, 2022, 03:22:15 AM
Police shooting a farmers
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1544453860537819137 (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1544453860537819137)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on July 06, 2022, 09:19:08 AM
The third boer war has started.  :o
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 06, 2022, 11:16:50 AM
frank v ronald :titus
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on July 06, 2022, 12:04:54 PM
fuck farmers
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 06, 2022, 02:07:47 PM
Friesland is the new Donbass

https://twitter.com/Kees71234/status/1544658035829784576 (https://twitter.com/Kees71234/status/1544658035829784576)

https://twitter.com/NicolasKtown/status/1544655559881793537 (https://twitter.com/NicolasKtown/status/1544655559881793537)

https://twitter.com/hobeets/status/1544666233177505794 (https://twitter.com/hobeets/status/1544666233177505794)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 06, 2022, 02:29:59 PM
https://twitter.com/YvetteCooperMP/status/1544716533842206720 (https://twitter.com/YvetteCooperMP/status/1544716533842206720)

Boris just admitted something he has denied for years. Meeting personally with a former KGB agent in Italy while he was foreign secretary. :dead

https://twitter.com/amanpour/status/1544732459262251010 (https://twitter.com/amanpour/status/1544732459262251010)

https://twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1544731631214383104 (https://twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1544731631214383104)

https://twitter.com/PA/status/1544726253567184899 (https://twitter.com/PA/status/1544726253567184899)
CROWN THIS MAN KING OF ENGLAND :dead

He's refusing to resign
https://twitter.com/AnushkaAsthana/status/1544752417757138949 (https://twitter.com/AnushkaAsthana/status/1544752417757138949)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2022, 04:57:47 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FW7qoieXwAMACmU?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 06, 2022, 06:05:57 PM
Boris fired Gove :titus

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1544779580262780933 (https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1544779580262780933)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2022, 11:04:33 PM
https://twitter.com/TomHourigan/status/1544810671191228416

https://twitter.com/GrundyOxford/status/1544706489268453376
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on July 06, 2022, 11:06:45 PM
Department for levelling up?  ??? ??? ???

Is that for gamers?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on July 06, 2022, 11:47:30 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 06, 2022, 11:04:33 PM
https://twitter.com/TomHourigan/status/1544810671191228416 (https://twitter.com/TomHourigan/status/1544810671191228416)

https://twitter.com/GrundyOxford/status/1544706489268453376 (https://twitter.com/GrundyOxford/status/1544706489268453376)
What the fuck is the Department for Levelling Up?

 :jgames :gamer :jgames :gamer
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 07, 2022, 03:15:56 AM
More reesignations. Finally a conservative that delivers the promise of a small government :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: VomKriege on July 07, 2022, 04:00:39 AM
https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/department-for-levelling-up-housing-and-communities/about (https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/department-for-levelling-up-housing-and-communities/about)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Coax on July 07, 2022, 04:16:41 AM
Quote from: james on July 06, 2022, 12:04:54 PM
fuck farmers

Bit rich coming from a potato
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 07, 2022, 04:58:47 AM
Moscow wins, Boris will resign

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 07, 2022, 05:38:48 AM
 :noooo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Tycoon Padre on July 07, 2022, 05:39:52 AM
The best sub-plot in all of this has been Zahawi getting appointed chancellor, knifing Boris less than 24 hours later, and then publicly telling him to get gone him on his new Treasury stationery :lol

And in the same 24 hour span, this amazing story came out but everyone was too distracted to notice

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chancellor-nadhim-zahawi-nca-investigation-b2117197.html

Quote
New chancellor Nadhim Zahawi’s finances were secretly investigated by the National Crime Agency (NCA), The Independent can disclose.

A senior serving Whitehall figure has revealed that a number of individuals were formally approached by officials from the NCA about the matter in 2020.

The NCA said they were seeking information about multimillionaire Mr Zahawi’s finances, stated the source. The inquiry was codenamed “Operation Catalufa” and is understood to have involved the agency’s International Corruption Unit.

Catalufa, known as “Popeye Catalufa”, is a species of ray finned fish, orange in colour, found in deep waters in the Pacific.

Whitehall officials were told the inquiry was top secret and that Mr Zahawi had not been informed about it. The NCA inquiry did not lead to any action against Mr Zahawi. There is no suggestion of wrongdoing by him.

The first Mr Zahawi knew about the matter was when he was informed by The Independent on Wednesday.

His initial reaction was: “There was no such investigation by [the] NCA. I would know. Right?”

:era
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on July 07, 2022, 06:40:57 AM
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1544993604325761025

 :elon
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 07, 2022, 06:44:58 AM
If he's going down he might as well take a few others with him, will anyone really miss the likes of Michael Gove :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 07, 2022, 08:11:50 AM
Seems like he didn't call Gove a dirty nonce, shame.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: MMaRsu on July 07, 2022, 08:37:42 AM
https://twitter.com/scottygb/status/1544993157745721344
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on July 07, 2022, 10:43:52 AM
That was anti-brexit activist Steve Bray. He also played the parody song Bye Bye Boris during the speech. Starts a few seconds in and goes on for several minutes, you can hear it if you listen closely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lozkiuwvQJo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGZHvUbmMqU

He started to play the Benny Hill theme just as Johnson was done.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: VomKriege on July 07, 2022, 11:05:36 AM
So who would be taking over the job ?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on July 07, 2022, 11:07:25 AM
He's still PM.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: VomKriege on July 07, 2022, 11:13:17 AM
Quote from: Raist on July 07, 2022, 11:07:25 AM
He's still PM.

Oh that's just the party position ? Heh  :doge
Though I understand it ultimately means he'll lose the Prime Minister position as well.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 07, 2022, 11:22:48 AM
He's going but staying on until a new leader is elected (probably in September at their party conference)

Parliament is off for summer break in 2 weeks anyway.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 07, 2022, 01:00:37 PM
I can't believe they literally cancelled Boris but I guess those are the times we're living in now.

Let's hope the Conservatives pick Ben Wallace to replace Boris.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 07, 2022, 01:17:49 PM
I have literally no idea who he is :tocry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: VomKriege on July 07, 2022, 01:25:41 PM
2004 NBA Champion with the Pistons ? Yes please.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on July 07, 2022, 01:49:44 PM
Quote from: Pissy F Benny on July 07, 2022, 01:17:49 PM
I have literally no idea who he is :tocry

Defense minister. Super popular because something something leading the world something ukraine.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on July 07, 2022, 02:06:55 PM
i saw a thing about a wnba player getting russian arrested.

is this true?

and if so

why are people still playing in russia?

and should disney be held responsible?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on July 07, 2022, 02:09:51 PM
Quote from: Nintex on July 07, 2022, 01:00:37 PM
I can't believe they literally cancelled Boris but I guess those are the times we're living in now.

The greased piglet ran out of grease. About time too.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on July 07, 2022, 02:10:15 PM
Quote from: Cauliflower Of Love on July 07, 2022, 02:06:55 PM
i saw a thing about a wnba player getting russian arrested.

is this true?

and if so

why are people still playing in russia?

and should disney be held responsible?

That happened months ago dude. Got caught with cannabis oil vapes. Play stupid games...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on July 07, 2022, 02:11:23 PM
Quote from: Raist on July 07, 2022, 02:10:15 PM
Quote from: Cauliflower Of Love on July 07, 2022, 02:06:55 PM
i saw a thing about a wnba player getting russian arrested.

is this true?

and if so

why are people still playing in russia?

and should disney be held responsible?

That happened months ago dude. Got caught with cannabis oil vapes. Play stupid games...

months ago?
wtf hmm, i need to go murder someone brb
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on July 07, 2022, 02:12:23 PM
oh they just plaid guilty.

in russian court lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on July 07, 2022, 02:22:45 PM
the UK is ungovernable  :gbcry :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 07, 2022, 02:24:14 PM
bring back blair :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on July 07, 2022, 02:49:21 PM
Quote from: Pissy F Benny on July 07, 2022, 02:24:14 PM
bring back blair :trumps
:nothing
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on July 07, 2022, 04:23:59 PM
Quote from: Nintex on July 07, 2022, 01:00:37 PM
Let's hope the Conservatives pick Ben Wallace to replace Boris.
Quote from: VomKriege on July 07, 2022, 01:25:41 PM
2004 NBA Champion with the Pistons ? Yes please.
*BONG*

DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETRRRRRRRROOOOOOOIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTT BASKETBALL

 :jeb :jeb :jeb :jeb
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 07, 2022, 05:15:12 PM
Meanwhile in the Netherlands

https://twitter.com/crazybytez/status/1545153977674862594 (https://twitter.com/crazybytez/status/1545153977674862594)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: jorma on July 08, 2022, 01:37:59 AM
not gonna lie it's weird that i get better coverage of the dutch protests from thebore than i do from swedish msm

i don't quite know why they are obviously censoring the topic, but they won't print a word about it until it turns violent (but trigger happy cops don't count)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 08, 2022, 02:49:28 AM
Shinzo Abe shot  :pika
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1545247320098443267 (https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1545247320098443267)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HardcoreRetro on July 08, 2022, 05:03:14 AM
Pronounced dead.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on July 08, 2022, 05:47:42 AM
Not surprising. No one is really gonna survive a shotgun in the upper body at close range.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Polident Hive on July 08, 2022, 06:18:59 AM
Weapon is some hardware store material taped together, literally. Shooter must’ve been close. Crazy to imagine somebody getting that close. Stories keep stressing gun violence is rare and political violence is unheard of.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on July 08, 2022, 06:46:19 AM
Sorry, can't abide by de mortuis nil nisi bonum in this case. Abe was corrupt and took Japan into the wrong direction. He may not have been fascist, but calling him fascist-adjacent would not be an unjust assessment (corruption, nationalism, militarism).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HardcoreRetro on July 08, 2022, 07:25:21 AM
Nobody here talked up the guy. No need to go gravedancing. Resetera is the community for that behaviour.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HaughtyFrank on July 08, 2022, 07:57:47 AM
Seems like the security was relaxed/confused. There's a clip that shows that Abe wasn't even hit until the second shot.

It's not really graphic besides seeing Abe collapsing but I'll post it behind a spoiler anyway

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/HalaneKhadar/status/1545366949349187584
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 08, 2022, 09:02:22 AM
Abe was an influential diplomat and statesman for sure. He was liked by pretty much all the leaders across the west which is not an easy feat.
Overall he integrated Japan (which has a history of isolation) further into the global community and made it a very reliable ally.

I'm sure he made mistakes along the way and whatnot but when you look at how Russia and other countries developed post WW2 I would hardly consider it the 'wrong direction'.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on July 08, 2022, 10:28:22 AM
Quote from: HardcoreRetro on July 08, 2022, 07:25:21 AM
Nobody here talked up the guy. No need to go gravedancing. Resetera is the community for that behaviour.

That wasn't aimed at this forum but at international leaders and most of the media who are now praising him because he is dead. No gravedancing, just facts. His assassination may actually help his corrupt party (LDP) to further his agenda (now under Kishida), so thanks a lot to his killer.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on July 08, 2022, 11:41:12 AM
https://twitter.com/PopularFront_/status/1545424164563165186

 :titus
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 08, 2022, 12:10:52 PM
A selfmade 9 barrel shotgun. You got to hand it to the killer, that's pretty fucking awesome.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2022, 12:46:19 PM
Quote from: Occam on July 08, 2022, 06:46:19 AM
Sorry, can't abide by de mortuis nil nisi bonum in this case. Abe was corrupt and took Japan into the wrong direction. He may not have been fascist, but calling him fascist-adjacent would not be an unjust assessment (corruption, nationalism, militarism).
Quote from: Occam on July 08, 2022, 10:28:22 AM
Quote from: HardcoreRetro on July 08, 2022, 07:25:21 AM
Nobody here talked up the guy. No need to go gravedancing. Resetera is the community for that behaviour.

That wasn't aimed at this forum but at international leaders and most of the media who are now praising him because he is dead. No gravedancing, just facts.
Do you normally see international leaders and the media talking about famous people and/or democratic world leaders who had just been murdered by calling them pieces of shit who were leading their countries back into the worst periods in its history?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on July 08, 2022, 12:55:41 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 08, 2022, 12:46:19 PM
Do you normally see international leaders and the media talking about famous people and/or democratic world leaders who had just been murdered by calling them pieces of shit who were leading their countries back into the worst periods in its history?

You should google the articles for when Chavez died
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2022, 01:06:17 PM
Quote from: james on July 08, 2022, 12:55:41 PM
You should google the articles for when Chavez died
And Hugo Chavez is being murdered quite often?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on July 08, 2022, 01:20:23 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 08, 2022, 01:06:17 PM
Quote from: james on July 08, 2022, 12:55:41 PM
You should google the articles for when Chavez died
And Hugo Chavez is being murdered quite often?

Werent there at least 2 and probably more attempts?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 08, 2022, 01:37:29 PM
Quote from: james on July 08, 2022, 12:55:41 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 08, 2022, 12:46:19 PM
Do you normally see international leaders and the media talking about famous people and/or democratic world leaders who had just been murdered by calling them pieces of shit who were leading their countries back into the worst periods in its history?

You should google the articles for when Chavez died
It was literally this for 4 years

Austere Islamic scholar Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi brutally murdered in failed military action directed by President Trump himself, White House in dissaray following human rights abuses

Washington Post - By: Dyla Tac - First they came for the glass ceiling, then they came for mailboxes and today the reckless foreign policy of the Trump "administration" claims another innocent victim. What should've been a mostly peaceful arrest turned into a hellish nightmare for Abu Bakr and his most closest associates when American troops backed up by a K9 attack dog raided his house in the middle of the night. Abu Bakr a beacon of stability in a chaotic region of the world, who mostly kept to himself citing Islamic verses and who was personally released by President Barack Obama on good behaviour was not just brutally murdered but also humiliated. In a statement President Trump declared he had "Cried like a dog" even though most scientists believe that dogs can't actually cry and if they did it was far different from the behaviour we humans classify as crying. David Patreus the former Commander of the United States Armed Forces in Afghanistan and a member of the electrifying 2016 Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign that was derailed by Russian misinformation and hackers said it is easy to rebuke this so called victory: "I find it hard to believe the soldiers could see or even hear Abu Bark cry, considering how fast a K9 attack dog can move through the Battlefield compared to a fully equipped Navy Seal". The general added: "Furthermore the feed presented to the President would not have included audio and according to the Geneva conventions it is forbidden for soldiers to share such intimate personal details with their superiors." . Democratic Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi was outraged and not just by the attack on Abu Bakr but the clear animal rights violations. "We see another 'do first, think later' from this President that we've seen many times before. If you ask me if this is an impeachable act, I would argue that it is. Both animal and human rights must be protected and especially during military operations."

[insert 150 ads here and a subscription here]

Although she wouldn't go as far as to compare the raid to the German invasion of Poland in 1939 it is hard to ignore the similarities between Trump's direct control of military operations and Adolf Hitler. Yet there are other concerns surrounding the White House. Given President's Trump connections to Moscow this could very well play right into the hands of an eager Vladimir Putin, who seeks to control all of Syria. Removing Assad's biggest enemy paves the way for a Syria fully dominated by the Russians and the Syrians. "The ranks of ISIS could collapse and that could mean that the Syrians could quickly reclaim the Republic of Syria which is not in line with US strategic thinking" Patreus adds. Patreus assured us though that taking out a well organized and well funded group like ISIS is not as easy as cutting off the head of the snake: "Many times before have people tried to take down rebels and in most cases a new stronger leader emerges." Even so, with the current US leadership in complete collapse and dissaray it is unclear what the future holds for ISIS and what the consequences are. For Pelosi however it is clear that we're on a path to a new 9/11: "This will be 9/11 times 10 or maybe times 100. These are very dangerous times and this is a very dangerous President." . Modern military action requires skill and discipline as displayed by the world's most powerful military forces like the Chinese People's Army. Overall this has left expert military minds like David Patreus unimpressed with President Trump's latest snafu: "Trump lacks both the discipline and skill to an effective commander in chief. I don't see how this could be considered a 'victory'. Anyone could have done this."

The Washington Post reached out to The White House communication staff to comment on this story before publishing and received only a poop emoji with an American flag.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on July 08, 2022, 03:16:44 PM
Quote from: Occam on July 08, 2022, 10:28:22 AM


That wasn't aimed at this forum but at international leaders and most of the media who are now praising him because he is dead. No gravedancing, just facts. His assassination may actually help his corrupt party (LDP) to further his agenda (now under Kishida), so thanks a lot to his killer.

I don't think the Bore is the right forum if your intended audience are international leaders.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on July 08, 2022, 03:21:15 PM
Oh, that's embarrassing, my autocorrect turned losers into leaders.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2022, 03:24:53 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on July 08, 2022, 03:16:44 PM
I don't think the Bore is the right forum if your intended audience are international leaders.
(http://i.ibb.co/7JvyHJ8/A14-BD4-DD-B566-45-C1-B30-F-D8578283907-A.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on July 08, 2022, 04:15:53 PM
(https://i.redd.it/ary8ee7itca91.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on July 08, 2022, 04:23:42 PM
Quote from: Polident Hive on July 08, 2022, 06:18:59 AM
Weapon is some hardware store material taped together, literally. Shooter must’ve been close. Crazy to imagine somebody getting that close. Stories keep stressing gun violence is rare and political violence is unheard of.
A homemade shotgun is pretty simple to make and by it's nature is still pretty effective. A rifle requires some pretty precise engineering, a shotgun not so much.

Google Papua New Guinea + homemade shotgun for some good examples


Edit: dude wasn't fucking around considering the other guns at his house.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 08, 2022, 08:53:48 PM
Like a third of Canada lost internet today :dead

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62102223

This is what happens when you only have 3 major telecommunication companies (soon to be 2 after a merger)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: OnlyRegret on July 09, 2022, 02:14:30 AM
aww, rip Abe-chan
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 09, 2022, 04:13:17 AM
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1545663305234227200 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1545663305234227200)

I have a bad feeling about this attack

https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1545454654506635265 (https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1545454654506635265)
https://twitter.com/EHunterChristie/status/1545679894343974912 (https://twitter.com/EHunterChristie/status/1545679894343974912)
https://twitter.com/EHunterChristie/status/1545494018418778116 (https://twitter.com/EHunterChristie/status/1545494018418778116)

Most got this all wrong, Moscow doesn't control the conservatives London. They control Berlin through the left and energy supplies. Trump was right when he confronted Stoltenberg with this.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 09, 2022, 06:53:54 AM
Sri Lanka has fallen

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1545679689527824385 (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1545679689527824385)

https://twitter.com/lordsinov/status/1545697044433715202 (https://twitter.com/lordsinov/status/1545697044433715202)

https://twitter.com/NewsWireLK/status/1545701536747032576 (https://twitter.com/NewsWireLK/status/1545701536747032576)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 09, 2022, 08:58:01 AM
https://twitter.com/KojiPro2015_EN/status/1545751079685484544 (https://twitter.com/KojiPro2015_EN/status/1545751079685484544)

https://twitter.com/imcloudbusting/status/1545484322056069122 (https://twitter.com/imcloudbusting/status/1545484322056069122)

 :ohhh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: VomKriege on July 09, 2022, 09:00:13 AM
https://twitter.com/hoaxeye/status/1157530502108188672
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 09, 2022, 09:08:18 AM
Dang you Kojima :stahp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 09, 2022, 10:17:27 AM
She was in the first Avengers movie! for 30 seconds, how can people not know here
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 09, 2022, 10:53:34 AM
https://twitter.com/PetronellaWyatt/status/1545755462292971520 (https://twitter.com/PetronellaWyatt/status/1545755462292971520)

:rollsafe
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 09, 2022, 02:20:33 PM
Someone didn't like that.

https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1545825125810970626 (https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1545825125810970626)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 09, 2022, 05:48:07 PM
Another country another protest.

https://twitter.com/steve_hanke/status/1545554826234404864 (https://twitter.com/steve_hanke/status/1545554826234404864)


Germany is preparing winter shelters for the poor and elderly that won't be able to heat their homes this winter.
https://twitter.com/BILD/status/1545880433270865921 (https://twitter.com/BILD/status/1545880433270865921)

The Dutch farmers protests continues
https://twitter.com/RadioGenova/status/1545849959622365185 (https://twitter.com/RadioGenova/status/1545849959622365185)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 10, 2022, 06:16:18 AM
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1545882390400229377 (https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1545882390400229377)

 :huh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 10, 2022, 01:33:01 PM
Uber Files: Massive leak reveals how top politicians secretly helped Uber

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-62057321 (https://www.bbc.com/news/business-62057321)
Quote
They show how ex-EU digital commissioner Neelie Kroes, one of Brussels' top officials, was in talks to join Uber before her term ended - and then secretly lobbied for the firm, in potential breach of EU ethics rules.
Quote
Mr Macron - now president - was on first name terms with Uber's controversial boss Travis Kalanick, and told him he would reform laws in the firm's favour.

Crooks and liars.


Zelensky has ordered the liberation of South Ukraine
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1546221443620413440 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1546221443620413440)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 10, 2022, 06:13:41 PM
This entire thread :dead

https://twitter.com/_F_B_G_/status/1546240323264937986 (https://twitter.com/_F_B_G_/status/1546240323264937986)

Missing logo from Liz Truss, she's running :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BrokenVerses on July 11, 2022, 11:37:10 AM
Apparently the HIMARS rocket launchers the US has been supplying Ukraine have been going on something of a rampage since their arrival.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/HIMARS_-_missile_launched.jpg/300px-HIMARS_-_missile_launched.jpg)

Russian supply depots go boom!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 11, 2022, 02:01:15 PM
The biggest move they can make is to push through in the south far enough so the HIMARS can strike the bridge connecting Russia to the Crimea.
That would be a serious blow to the Russian war effort and morale. Enough of a 'cost' to make them think twice about expanding the offensive.

They simply don't have enough missile systems to destroy all the Russian stockpiles.
Russia fires an estimated average of 30k artillery shells per day.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 11, 2022, 05:17:32 PM
https://twitter.com/den_kazansky/status/1546580319737974784 (https://twitter.com/den_kazansky/status/1546580319737974784)

https://twitter.com/SanderRegter/status/1546591003309756416 (https://twitter.com/SanderRegter/status/1546591003309756416)

Fuck me this shit is escalating
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on July 11, 2022, 05:19:39 PM
https://twitter.com/OSINT88/status/1546589222437535744
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 11, 2022, 05:25:59 PM
We should not underestimate the implications of the fact that the S-400 (designed to counter these types of missile attacks) is not working, at all  :doge

Belarus
China
India
Russia
Turkey

All have broken air defenses.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on July 12, 2022, 01:46:56 AM
Quote from: Nintex on July 11, 2022, 05:25:59 PM
We should not underestimate the implications of the fact that the S-400 (designed to counter these types of missile attacks) is not working, at all  :doge

Belarus
China
India
Russia
Turkey

All have broken air defenses.
Time to freedom to oppressed nations, Joe  :usacry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 12, 2022, 02:51:36 PM
The resistance has reached my town :rejoice

(https://www.bollenstreekomroep.nl/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/B2B6642-scaled.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O54puakjrv8
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on July 12, 2022, 05:05:49 PM
nintex doxxed at last :bolo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on July 12, 2022, 10:26:50 PM
Meanwhile, on the other side of the world...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-13/burnside-council-adopts-recommendations-on-julian-carbone/101232654 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-13/burnside-council-adopts-recommendations-on-julian-carbone/101232654)

Quote
A Burnside councillor who sent an inappropriate message to a teenage girl has rejected calls for him to resign and repay costs from an investigation into his online activity.

Julian Carbone has been subject to a code of conduct complaint investigation after he sent a message from his official Instagram account to a 17-year-old girl which said: "Lots of bikini photos — but it's so damn cold at the moment hey".

The teenager made a complaint to Burnside Council after she received the message request late last year and alleged the councillor's official Instagram account followed a "number of young females".

The investigation, which included engaging a cyber security expert, cost the council $11,585.

During last night's council meeting, Cr Henry Davis said Cr Carbone's conduct had brought the council into disrepute and caused the community to lose confidence in its ability to govern.

"I condemn the actions of Cr Carbone in messaging a 17-year-old girl which in no circumstances would pass the moral standard of any member of the community, let alone, an elected official," he said.

"To add salt to the wound, when Cr Carbone was presented with the complaint his denial unduly cost ratepayers well beyond what would normally be expected of a standard code of conduct."

Cr Davis said Cr Carbone's explanations were "quite frankly ridiculous".

"Simultaneously he claimed to have been hacked, he claims he doesn't remember sending it, he claimed that someone stole his phone at 5:06am as some kind of joke, he says he messaged the wrong the account," he said.

“It is clear that maintaining these conflicting excuses is completely untenable.

"We cannot ask Cr Carbone to resign but I feel strongly that he should resign."

Councillors Jane Davey and Helga Lemon expressed their support for Cr Carbone to resign.

The council unanimously carried a motion supporting that the recommendations from the investigation report into Cr Carbone's conduct be adopted.

The report recommended he issue a written apology, cease using the Instagram account and attend training in relation to the use of social media.

The council also ordered a report into why the code of conduct complaint investigation cost double the usual cost of such an inquiry and into whether council can recoup the costs from Cr Carbone.

Cr Carbone, who was absent from the meeting, told the ABC that he will not be resigning and would stand for re-election later this year.

"I am very passionate about our community, I am very committed to the work that I have done and continue to do. I am going to focus on all of the good that I have done over the last three-and-a-half years leading to the next election," he said.

"I am not going to be deterred by what is a relatively minor thing in the scheme of things."

Cr Carbone said he wanted to resolve the "misunderstanding" by talking to the complainant over a cup of coffee, but she declined.

"That message was not intended for her, it was sent by mistake. I know it, she now knows it and the whole community knows it was a mistake," she said.

Cr Carbone said although he did not remember sending the message — and if he did, it was not meant for the teen — he would take responsibility as the owner of the account.

"I am going to apologise, it is inappropriate, I am old enough and experienced enough to know those sorts of messages are not on, especially from an elected official," he told ABC Radio Adelaide's Stacey Lee.

"So I know it's wrong and that's why I'm going to apologise."

Cr Carbone said the message was inappropriate, but he did not think it was "sleazy or dodgy".

"It was simply making a comment that she was at the beach, and it was cold at the time," he said.

In regard to the report's recommendations, Cr Carbone said he had deleted his Instagram account and would undergo social media training, as well as apologise.

"I am happy to sit down and work out how I can move forward without attracting all of these fake profiles because I was taking everybody on face value, I accepted every request and accepted every follower," he said.

"I was just doing what I thought was the right thing to do but of course I have got myself in hot water because I have been following all of these fake profiles unintentionally."
:cody :quark :rash :success :ohyou :juicy :freeze
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 13, 2022, 01:55:19 PM
Congrats everyone, Erdogan and Putin now control the food supply

https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1547274868177133569 (https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1547274868177133569)

Congrats greens

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1547234334830206985 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1547234334830206985)

https://twitter.com/mhmck/status/1547308173731807232 (https://twitter.com/mhmck/status/1547308173731807232)

Russian shell industry :money

https://twitter.com/Greentvmedia/status/1547351319106699266 (https://twitter.com/Greentvmedia/status/1547351319106699266)

Libya is probably the next shoe to drop after Sri Lanka.

https://twitter.com/Abd0Assad/status/1547347837738000386 (https://twitter.com/Abd0Assad/status/1547347837738000386)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 14, 2022, 01:08:13 PM
https://twitter.com/business/status/1547625528806367234 (https://twitter.com/business/status/1547625528806367234)

See ya
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on July 14, 2022, 07:00:36 PM
Someone's getting fired disappeared.

https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/1547507084601729024
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 16, 2022, 06:11:28 PM
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1548415323077914628 (https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1548415323077914628)

https://twitter.com/sotiridi/status/1548425205906755593 (https://twitter.com/sotiridi/status/1548425205906755593)

 :omg
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 16, 2022, 07:19:04 PM
https://twitter.com/MrKovalenko/status/1548394042353889280 (https://twitter.com/MrKovalenko/status/1548394042353889280)

https://twitter.com/MrKovalenko/status/1548400091135762438 (https://twitter.com/MrKovalenko/status/1548400091135762438)

:titus
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 17, 2022, 03:50:26 AM
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1548536880769146880 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1548536880769146880)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: VomKriege on July 17, 2022, 09:37:50 AM
https://twitter.com/china_takes/status/1548469046667984897
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 17, 2022, 10:12:24 AM
The last time we tried to defeat the Russkies in a land war with overly complicated weapons it went really well so I can see why they are trying it again instead of sending our vastly superior air forces :idont

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKXmVAtaMlw
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 18, 2022, 02:25:44 PM
https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1549008925806268416 (https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1549008925806268416)

 :iface


https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1549127982857469953 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1549127982857469953)
Zelensky fired the prosecutor and the head of the intelligence services (who was also his campaign manager)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on July 18, 2022, 07:57:00 PM
Quote from: VomKriege on July 17, 2022, 09:37:50 AM
https://twitter.com/china_takes/status/1548469046667984897
Why would you leave a small PRC enclave surrounded on all sides after what happened the last time this was tried?

edit: lmao at how many other things got annexed, so much for Finland joining NATO I guess
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HaughtyFrank on July 19, 2022, 06:35:46 AM
https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1548992984946974720
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 19, 2022, 07:47:14 AM
https://twitter.com/PeterStefanovi2/status/1549354153583034370 (https://twitter.com/PeterStefanovi2/status/1549354153583034370)

 :lol

Tugendhat is out, it's now between Badenoch, Sunak, Truss and Mordaunt.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 19, 2022, 11:44:03 AM
Badenoch is out, I'd have preferred her (as much as I could ever bring myself to prefer any tory) just because having a relatively young black woman with dreadlocks as tory leader would have broken so many brains. Idk jack shit about her or her policies however, but assume they must be shite if she made it this far.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 19, 2022, 12:58:32 PM
Badenoch is a pull up your own bootstraps conservative from what I've read but by far the most interesting candidate. Mordaunt is considered too liberal so I doubt that's where Kemi's supporters go.

If Sunak wins, you'll get a good dose of austerity and a half-assed peace deal with Russia. He might also improve relations with the EU. He'll most likely return to Cameron's line.

When Truss wins all bets are off. She'll probably let MI5 and the SAS take out Lavrov out of spite on her first day and moves from there. She channels both Thatcher and Boris it seems.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 19, 2022, 06:14:26 PM
https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1549484111353503751 (https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1549484111353503751)

Congratulations gentleman, you played yourself
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on July 20, 2022, 12:26:20 AM
https://twitter.com/AbdulhaqOmeri/status/1549346066415423489
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on July 20, 2022, 05:55:35 AM
Quote from: Nintex on July 19, 2022, 06:14:26 PM
https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1549484111353503751 (https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1549484111353503751)

Congratulations gentleman, you played yourself

GBNews

 :heh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 20, 2022, 11:29:06 AM
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1549771699108937729 (https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1549771699108937729)

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1549724955763507200 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1549724955763507200)

 :gbcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 20, 2022, 06:01:40 PM
https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1549548655786528771 (https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1549548655786528771)

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 20, 2022, 06:31:06 PM
Guessing Liz Truss will be the next PM from what she's offering vs Sunak (low taxes and patriotism and all that shit, basically boris style populism vs highly probable austerity).

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 20, 2022, 06:36:12 PM
fwiw she doesn't have anything close to the "common touch" boris has so will probably/hopefully eat shit at the next election.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on July 21, 2022, 02:59:46 AM
Liz Truss is one of the least charismatic politicians I've ever seen. She'd be a great change of pace after Boris.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on July 21, 2022, 04:05:51 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX_DwE7nU6o
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on July 21, 2022, 07:25:56 AM
I think Truss might do an Erdogan/Turkey speedrun and tank the currency and economy

She's clearly not all there and is spouting off crackpot plans and theories in every interview

Shit's gonna be wild, especially if she finds someone equally nutty to be her chancellor

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 21, 2022, 01:25:16 PM
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1550148604555313159 (https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1550148604555313159)

This is absolute madness.

Quote from: who is ted danson? on July 21, 2022, 07:25:56 AM
I think Truss might do an Erdogan/Turkey speedrun and tank the currency and economy

You're forgetting the war mate.

She literally said she will go to Russia and call Putin out like she did Lavrov to make him look bad in front of the swing countries Indonesia and India.
The result of her trip to Lavrov was Russia putting their nuclear forces on high alert.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 21, 2022, 03:06:53 PM
Italian parliament dissolved

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1550149166323695618 (https://twitter.com/AP/status/1550149166323695618)

I looked up the polls and leading right now is a party called "Brothers of Italy" headed up by Berlusconi's former minister of youth.
Which is basically a party for people that consider Lega to be too liberal :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 21, 2022, 03:08:42 PM
Doesn't this happen like every six months?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 21, 2022, 03:20:13 PM
Quote from: Pissy F Benny on July 21, 2022, 03:08:42 PM
Doesn't this happen like every six months?
They've run the same scam for years

- Elect a populist to block reforms
- Face bankruptcy and blame it on Germany for starting WW2
- Get a bandaid and a caretaker government
- Elect some bureaucrat or banker with promises to reform the economy
- Get EU money to reform

Go back to step 1

Except now most parties running (both on the left and right) want to leave the EU.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2022, 07:11:58 PM
https://twitter.com/StilichoReads/status/1549950775702327296

like KD :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on July 21, 2022, 07:18:00 PM
Italy losing one of the smartest, most accomplished, and impressive statesment in Europe to the dumbest human beings possible - Meloni and Salvini.    The coalition-based system in Italy doesn't work, the populists are always united and the left isn't. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 21, 2022, 08:21:30 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/22/twitter-admits-bias-in-algorithm-for-rightwing-politicians-and-news-outlets
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on July 21, 2022, 08:22:21 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 21, 2022, 07:11:58 PM
https://twitter.com/StilichoReads/status/1549950775702327296

like KD :lol

(https://imgur.com/i0PGgu2.jpg)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 22, 2022, 03:29:11 AM
The Dutch armed forces proudly present their new vehicles
https://twitter.com/Defensie/status/1550133752017219587 (https://twitter.com/Defensie/status/1550133752017219587)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 23, 2022, 07:31:25 PM
Sochi is gone
https://twitter.com/dskorobutov/status/1550973496397897732 (https://twitter.com/dskorobutov/status/1550973496397897732)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on July 24, 2022, 04:21:06 AM
Quote from: Nintex on July 23, 2022, 07:31:25 PM
Sochi is gone
https://twitter.com/dskorobutov/status/1550973496397897732 (https://twitter.com/dskorobutov/status/1550973496397897732)

Boden must have deployed the weather bombs
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 24, 2022, 07:16:06 AM
A weapon to surpass Metal Gear?!

https://twitter.com/TheBuzzerUK/status/1550799211112931330 (https://twitter.com/TheBuzzerUK/status/1550799211112931330)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on July 25, 2022, 10:03:34 AM
We are all fucked.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/24/world/africa/congo-oil-gas-auction.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on July 25, 2022, 10:21:09 AM
I think we should invade Congo, force a regime change and take care of their resources.

Since this is really expensive, we should let semi-private companies handle the administrative work.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 25, 2022, 10:22:00 AM
cheap african oil :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on July 25, 2022, 10:22:41 AM
Quote from: BisMarckie on July 25, 2022, 10:21:09 AM
I think we should invade Congo, force a regime change and take care of their resources.

Since this is really expensive, we should let semi-private companies handle the administrative work.
China has already done that.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HaughtyFrank on July 25, 2022, 02:05:12 PM
https://www.dw.com/en/russia-to-further-slash-gas-deliveries-to-germany-via-nord-stream-pipeline/a-62588620

Something that confuses me about the whole gazprom thing is, why doesn't Putin just say that he's the one slashing the deliveries? Literally every politician already assumes that he does. It's also a very obvious leverage Russia has over Germany. Is there any point to having deniability?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 25, 2022, 03:20:42 PM
Quote from: HaughtyFrank on July 25, 2022, 02:05:12 PM
https://www.dw.com/en/russia-to-further-slash-gas-deliveries-to-germany-via-nord-stream-pipeline/a-62588620

Something that confuses me about the whole gazprom thing is, why doesn't Putin just say that he's the one slashing the deliveries? Literally every politician already assumes that he does. It's also a very obvious leverage Russia has over Germany. Is there any point to having deniability?
It's all about being a reliable partner, which Russia never is but they want to keep up appearances.

Also, I predicted this months ago. It was fucking stupid to use energy as a sanction against Russia as we would be sanctioning ourselves.
All Putin has to do is trickle the supply as the prices go up. The Germans keep buying, the Russian state gets rich.

They're fighting the war on the cheap too. I think the general public will be shell shocked when after all the aid, inflation pain and money we poured into it, Ukraine still loses this war.

https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1551611172205613062 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1551611172205613062)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 25, 2022, 06:41:32 PM
Liz Truss absolutely destroyed Sunak  :doge :lol

https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1551671228808708103 (https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1551671228808708103)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYi3AGxXgAA9C0Z?format=jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on July 25, 2022, 07:06:44 PM
So Lavrov has admitted what everyone knew all along...that their whole goal is regime change.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-26/sergei-lavrov-says-russia-goal-is-to-oust-ukraine-president/101268892 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-26/sergei-lavrov-says-russia-goal-is-to-oust-ukraine-president/101268892)

Quote
Russia's Foreign Minister says Moscow's overarching goal in Ukraine is to topple President Volodymyr Zelenskyy's government, expressing the Kremlin's war aims in some of the bluntest terms yet, as its forces pummel the country with artillery barrages and air strikes.

Catch up Sergei, everyone but the Russian government seems to have understood this for 6 months now.

Sadly for him, all the Russians will get out of this war is a couple of ungovernable Eastern shithole "republics", a bunch of dead soldiers and their pissed off Babushkas, and a much more hostile Crimea.

Have fun with that...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on July 26, 2022, 10:18:18 AM
Nintex I'm hearing that you should start stocking up with newspaper if you want to cook food this winter
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on July 26, 2022, 01:28:06 PM
Quote from: james on July 26, 2022, 10:18:18 AM
Nintex I'm hearing that you should start stocking up with newspaper if you want to cook food this winter

Can you use poop as fuel?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on July 26, 2022, 03:16:34 PM
Quote from: BIONIC on July 26, 2022, 01:28:06 PM
Quote from: james on July 26, 2022, 10:18:18 AM
Nintex I'm hearing that you should start stocking up with newspaper if you want to cook food this winter

Can you use poop as fuel?

Start drying it now
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 26, 2022, 03:29:45 PM
If it ever got so bad I would enter politics and make The Netherlands Great Again.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on July 26, 2022, 03:52:02 PM
#Nintex4King  :jeb
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on July 26, 2022, 05:39:30 PM
I‘ll just burn the toilet paper I have been hoarding for two years
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 26, 2022, 06:27:31 PM
The Germans are playing us all, they'll suddenly race an army through the Ardennes to raid France for Winter supplies.

"Why aren't the Jerries sending their supplies to Ukraine Gov'na?"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: chronovore on July 26, 2022, 09:26:28 PM
Quote from: Nintex on July 23, 2022, 07:31:25 PM
Sochi is gone
https://twitter.com/dskorobutov/status/1550973496397897732 (https://twitter.com/dskorobutov/status/1550973496397897732)

If Russia believed in God, this would be a bad omen.
Because I believe in climate change, this is an even worse omen.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 27, 2022, 06:49:23 AM
Sochi was another case of corruption. Apparently they sold areas marked for drainage for construction instead.

The tory debates are so horrible that the moderators faint :lol
https://twitter.com/slay4ever007/status/1551991896796499968 (https://twitter.com/slay4ever007/status/1551991896796499968)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 27, 2022, 02:04:03 PM
Kate McCann is hosting debates for the Sun now? :info
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on July 27, 2022, 02:45:18 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYmWoIZWQAEX7zv?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 27, 2022, 05:48:10 PM
Medvedev has released a map of what Ukraine will be like after the war compared to what Zelensky thinks the outcome will be.
This gives an idea of how much land Russia intends to conquer before they call it a day.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYsF3FqXoAIHMu5?format=jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on July 27, 2022, 05:51:42 PM
Quote from: Nintex on July 27, 2022, 05:48:10 PM
Medvedev has released a map of what Ukraine will be like after the war compared to what Zelensky thinks the outcome will be.
This gives an idea of how much land Russia intends to conquer before they call it a day.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYsF3FqXoAIHMu5?format=jpg)
Are Poland and Romania aware they apparently were supposed to be invading from the West?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 27, 2022, 06:26:04 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 27, 2022, 05:51:42 PM
Quote from: Nintex on July 27, 2022, 05:48:10 PM
Medvedev has released a map of what Ukraine will be like after the war compared to what Zelensky thinks the outcome will be.
This gives an idea of how much land Russia intends to conquer before they call it a day.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYsF3FqXoAIHMu5?format=jpg)
Are Poland and Romania aware they apparently were supposed to be invading from the West?

Medvedev should stick to tennis. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 28, 2022, 04:28:18 AM
https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1552312858901463041 (https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1552312858901463041)

:rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 28, 2022, 04:54:41 AM
That definitely sounds like a good idea :itagaki
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on July 28, 2022, 07:21:36 AM
Pretty sure they'd pick Lavrov before Johnson :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 28, 2022, 11:07:27 AM
https://twitter.com/na_intel/status/1552355133224353793 (https://twitter.com/na_intel/status/1552355133224353793)

All these larping motherfuckers  :lol

The young gamers of the world should rise up and remove everyone over the age of 55 from power.

Presto, world peace
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 28, 2022, 12:41:29 PM
Quote
China’s defense ministry issues fresh, rare warning ‘action the most powerful language’ over Pelosi’s Taiwan visit; reinforces resolve

Quote
US aircraft carrier, strike group move into South China Sea as Pelosi plans possible Taiwan visit

Quote
Reuters: Taiwan's army fires warning shots at a Chinese drone that tried to penetrate the island's airspace.

Quote
Chinese President Xi warns Biden over Taiwan per Beijing: “Those who play with fire will perish by it.”

"Nancy you're not supposed to get set-up" - Donald J. Trump
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on July 28, 2022, 03:05:29 PM
Potential global epidemic incoming

How it started

https://twitter.com/nytimesworld/status/1550536414689112064

How its going

https://twitter.com/DrTedros/status/1552365035317772288
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on July 28, 2022, 03:35:38 PM
"@WHO is  on the ground supporting health authorities"


Well, we're all fucked then.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 28, 2022, 04:44:59 PM
Quote
Marburg virus disease is a highly virulent disease that causes haemorrhagic fever, with a fatality ratio of up to 88%. It is in the same family as the virus that causes Ebola virus disease. Two large outbreaks that occurred simultaneously in Marburg and Frankfurt in Germany, and in Belgrade, Serbia, in 1967, led to the initial recognition of the disease. The outbreak was associated with laboratory work using African green monkeys (Cercopithecus aethiops) imported from Uganda. Subsequently, outbreaks and sporadic cases have been reported in Angola, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Kenya, South Africa (in a person with recent travel history to Zimbabwe) and Uganda. In 2008, two independent cases were reported in travellers who visited a cave inhabited by Rousettus bat colonies in Uganda.

Quote
Human infection with Marburg virus disease initially results from prolonged exposure to mines or caves inhabited by Rousettus bat colonies. Once an individual is infected with the virus, Marburg can spread through human-to-human transmission via direct contact (through broken skin or mucous membranes) with the blood, secretions, organs or other bodily fluids of infected people, and with surfaces and materials (e.g. bedding, clothing) contaminated with these fluids.

Surely people can manage NOT to fuck monkeys in bat caves :idont

https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1552741876394065921 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1552741876394065921)\
Finally some common sense.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 29, 2022, 08:30:42 AM
Russia trying to convince people to move there  :dead
https://twitter.com/dpatrikarakos/status/1552906293026988033 (https://twitter.com/dpatrikarakos/status/1552906293026988033)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on July 29, 2022, 10:05:05 AM
I moved to Russia because there was no cancel culture
 
 :snob


"We meant that there's no term limits"

oh...

 :goty2
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on July 29, 2022, 10:05:46 AM
Me before watching: They just need to highlight all the hot women

Video "BEAUTIFUL WOMEN" (shows two 6 year old girls"

:pika

Good thing cancel culture is illegal I guess
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 29, 2022, 11:18:23 AM
Yeah the video was basically: "Oi pedo's and wank dads come to Russia you won't be cancelled here* after you cheat on your wife and we're very broke cheap"

*you may be drafted into an illegal war but that's ok because we have vodka :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on July 29, 2022, 11:44:02 AM
Elon Musk in Russia by 2024
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 29, 2022, 01:00:12 PM
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1553049174362529793 (https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1553049174362529793)

https://twitter.com/DevonHeinen/status/1553062335748591616 (https://twitter.com/DevonHeinen/status/1553062335748591616)

Is Pelosi gets shot out of the sky on your bingo card yet fella's? :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 30, 2022, 01:47:03 PM
https://twitter.com/HuXijin_GT/status/1553423355046670336 (https://twitter.com/HuXijin_GT/status/1553423355046670336)

Red lines are being crossed

https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1553404298180014080 (https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1553404298180014080)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 30, 2022, 02:11:45 PM
Meanwhile a very succesful coup attempt underway in Baghdad

https://twitter.com/iraqi_day/status/1553361000170409984 (https://twitter.com/iraqi_day/status/1553361000170409984)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FY6XbGFX0AYf_y9?format=jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on July 30, 2022, 02:48:12 PM
imagine being nintex
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on July 30, 2022, 02:54:29 PM
Quote from: Cauliflower Of Love on July 30, 2022, 02:48:12 PM
imagine being nintex

I’d be drowning in so much pussy if I was  :goty
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 31, 2022, 01:21:48 PM
Sirens in Kosovo

https://twitter.com/ivanastradner/status/1553779335303233536 (https://twitter.com/ivanastradner/status/1553779335303233536)


Serbian President will adress the nation in an hour or so.
I'm not seeing any of the gunfire that is being "reported" but border crossings are blocked and military units mobilized.


Serbian Defense ministry: "blah blah fake news blah blah [...] We've not yet crossed the administrative line"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 31, 2022, 04:45:56 PM
It's back to a war of words
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1553828734318395393 (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1553828734318395393)

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1553830058254647298 (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1553830058254647298)

It would be insane for Serbia to attack Kosovo considering NATO troops and air forces defend it also.

NATO joins the chat

https://twitter.com/NATO_KFOR/status/1553852357972316160 (https://twitter.com/NATO_KFOR/status/1553852357972316160)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on July 31, 2022, 10:43:45 PM
https://twitter.com/cjtotalbro/status/1553780507761995777
https://twitter.com/renormalized/status/1553832073672007680
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on August 01, 2022, 05:50:58 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62375580

Quote
The first ship carrying grain has left a Ukrainian port under a landmark deal with Russia.

Turkish and Ukrainian officials say the ship left the southern port of Odesa early on Monday morning local time.

Russia has been blockading Ukrainian ports since February, but the two sides agreed a deal to resume shipments.

It is hoped the deal will ease the global food crisis and lower the price of grain.

Turkey said the Sierra Leone-flagged vessel, the Razoni, would dock at the port of Tripoli in Lebanon, adding that further shipments were planned over the coming weeks.

Let's see if Russia tries to pull any shenanigans.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 01, 2022, 07:32:36 AM
The battle for Odesa will likely be decided in Mykolaiv which the Russians are hitting hard with missiles these past few days.
I doubt that the Ukrainians will stay and fight for Odesa if Mykolaiv falls as they would risk being cut off.
It seems that both sides are pretty much at a stand still. I'm not seeing any big gains from Ukraine from their 'Kherson counter attack' and the Russians are having trouble to protect their ammo dumps and trains.

I don't think the Russians will be as bold as to attack the ships en route to Lebanon.
The Russians and their allies are trying to present themselves as 'saving' Africa and the Middle East from NATO Nazi's.
Blowing up grain shipments specifically for those regions would be counter productive for those efforts.

It is more likely that they will place agents in Lebanon and other places to bribe and persuade Ukrainian ship crews to not return to Odesa but take their ships to Russian held ports instead.
In any case the goal of Russia is to conquer the entire coastline and I don't see any way for Ukraine to prevent that from happening if the war drags on.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on August 01, 2022, 07:48:05 AM
(https://c.tenor.com/BM-GC7l2QD4AAAAM/what-are-you-talking-about-huh.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on August 01, 2022, 07:49:25 AM
Quote from: Raist on August 01, 2022, 05:50:58 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62375580

Quote
The first ship carrying grain has left a Ukrainian port under a landmark deal with Russia.

Turkish and Ukrainian officials say the ship left the southern port of Odesa early on Monday morning local time.

Russia has been blockading Ukrainian ports since February, but the two sides agreed a deal to resume shipments.

It is hoped the deal will ease the global food crisis and lower the price of grain.

Turkey said the Sierra Leone-flagged vessel, the Razoni, would dock at the port of Tripoli in Lebanon, adding that further shipments were planned over the coming weeks.

Let's see if Russia tries to pull any shenanigans.

all the grain is poisoned
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 01, 2022, 12:48:48 PM
Pelosi will go to Taiwan tommorow
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1554130512989634560 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1554130512989634560)

China's response:
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1554086730067738624 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1554086730067738624)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on August 01, 2022, 12:54:15 PM
what are the chances that the chi-coms actually smoke her?

and can't biden just tell her to open her new sweatshop in vietman or cambodia instead :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 01, 2022, 01:20:11 PM
Quote from: Pissy F Benny on August 01, 2022, 12:54:15 PM
what are the chances that the chi-coms actually smoke her?

and can't biden just tell her to open her new sweatshop in vietman or cambodia instead :thinking
They're looking for an excuse to attack Taiwan and this is handed oven ready on a platter.
Although US intelligence thinks that China isn't ready for an attack until late 2025 or even 2030.

China could do a number of things short of shooting Pelosi out of the sky or blowing up an aircraft carrier (which have been suggested in the Chinese media)
However they sort of have to do 'something' because of all their threats. My best guess is some kind of economic or political response, like deporting US diplomats, some kind of blockade around Taiwan or making it more difficult for US companies to do business in China.

https://twitter.com/AlexGabuev/status/1554143940953227266 (https://twitter.com/AlexGabuev/status/1554143940953227266)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on August 01, 2022, 02:05:09 PM
Why cant Pelosi just buy tickets to an anime convention and say shes there on weeb business
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 01, 2022, 02:23:55 PM
https://twitter.com/CurtisHouck/status/1554169426001412098 (https://twitter.com/CurtisHouck/status/1554169426001412098)

Tell the Chinese to pound sand!

We've been very clear uhh uumm I uhh I uuuuhh uumm soo uuuh

https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1554169482242916354 (https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1554169482242916354)

We don't support them we just sell them weapons for fun
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on August 01, 2022, 06:07:07 PM
https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1554207214541410312

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 01, 2022, 06:30:53 PM
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1554192937998753793 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1554192937998753793)

She said that to a roaring crowd and pretty most candidates that were in the race, except for Sunak, have now endorsed her.
Although I think her suggestion to break up the treasury was even more shocking.

Sunak should just drop out so they can crown their new queen. It's going to be an embarassing loss for him.

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1554175986870222849 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1554175986870222849)

People talk about Democracy and all that but right now 160k Tory party members will appoint Liz Truss to rule 56 million people.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 02, 2022, 02:51:04 AM
Lots of flights cancelled, calls to donate blood, military movements, sabre rattling. China is doing their part to make it look real.

Whoever sells aviation fuel in Asia is having a good day.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on August 02, 2022, 02:52:53 AM
Nintex text me if China starts nuking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 02, 2022, 07:21:51 AM
https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1554414515017629698 (https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1554414515017629698)
So far China is only invading itself
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 02, 2022, 08:50:34 AM
https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1554447545945956352 (https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1554447545945956352)

https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1554448814303477761 (https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1554448814303477761)

 :chinacry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 02, 2022, 09:06:21 AM
https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1554453274207682560 (https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1554453274207682560)

this link :dead

Literally the flight radar feed with military music in the background.

Imagine if they actually shoot Pelosi down, lmao.

https://twitter.com/Gadgets360/status/1554451675858882561 (https://twitter.com/Gadgets360/status/1554451675858882561)
Ok Nancy, mission accomplished you can turn around now.

Unless she makes a U-turn or this is a decoy Nancy is about 1 hour and 30 minutes out from her destination
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZKLL6ZakAYzu7k?format=png)

The destination is confirmed SPAR19 will land in Taipei.

https://twitter.com/Global_Mil_Info/status/1554460957287804928 (https://twitter.com/Global_Mil_Info/status/1554460957287804928)

Fighter escort just left Japan.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HaughtyFrank on August 02, 2022, 09:46:33 AM
This sure is a lot of saber rattling. Though I guess if Pelosi quits at this point the US would also look weak.

Also this summer is so hot I could do with a nuclear winter anyway
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 02, 2022, 10:28:38 AM
China just closed their air space along the coast, locals report Chinese jets are heading to the Taiwan straight.
https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1554471264437547010 (https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1554471264437547010)

https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1554473589050867714 (https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1554473589050867714)

China has quite a few domestic issues so this "crisis" is great for their propaganda.
The question is who blinks first and if the US was right to think that the Chinese were bluffing and grand standing.

She's close to landing now but they could also prevent her from leaving of course.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 02, 2022, 10:49:18 AM
Pelosi has landed. A big W for freedom, a big L for the communist losers.

They can't do shit.

Super Power China can't stop a single plane from landing literally next door.  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on August 02, 2022, 10:53:38 AM
Stupid chi-com bitches :girlaff
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 02, 2022, 10:57:29 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZKf2XEXgAIyKxh?format=jpg)

Smirnoff has landed :cruise

thanks to China's grand standing the entire world has seen them take this L in real time.

See Democrats it isn't that hard, just bomb a few terrorists and hand out some L to the communists.

https://twitter.com/CGTNOfficial/status/1554488568264830978 (https://twitter.com/CGTNOfficial/status/1554488568264830978)

RIP fish and seaweed
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on August 02, 2022, 12:06:04 PM
https://twitter.com/LPNational/status/1554475770529079296
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on August 02, 2022, 12:25:37 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/Kevinliptakcnn/status/1553096606513258496


Pelosi destroying China

 :salute
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 02, 2022, 07:09:41 PM
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1554575392987615233 (https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1554575392987615233)

Sunak is at 26%, Liz Truss is at 60%.

The libs wondered for 4 years, what could be worse than Boris Johnson and Donald Trump leading the free world?
Well Liz Truss and Donald Trump maybe.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on August 02, 2022, 09:46:13 PM
Quote from: Raist on August 01, 2022, 06:07:07 PM
https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1554207214541410312

 :lol
I don't want to look through this thing just to find out, was there no follow up when she proposed age-gating the entire internet?

This is actually part of why I hate "debates" because usually the moderators are too stupid to realize the candidate just said something insane they should be able to immediately ask about and that's the actual service they should provide rather than trying to stir shit claiming that "holds them accountable" about irrelevant shit. Traditionally, the UK media has been slightly better at going "what the fuck did you just say?"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on August 03, 2022, 11:27:37 AM
It was a tory husting. Of course there was no follow up.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on August 03, 2022, 02:26:17 PM
Another L for Nintex

Quote
The Dutch government declared a national water shortage Wednesday caused by the hot, dry summer that is parching much of Europe, and formed a national team to draw up measures to manage supplies, while asking the public to also chip in with savings.

“The water shortage is already having a negative effect on shipping and agriculture in particular,” said Minister of Infrastructure and Water Management Mark Harbers.

https://apnews.com/article/health-water-shortages-netherlands-agriculture-67b9e34c5962a5e248889ed5326d7824
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 03, 2022, 05:12:08 PM
lol that's fucking bullshit. They make up new 'crises' every day to blame on Putin.
If he's making everything so horrible just declare war already and level the Kremlin, even better give me command of NATO for a week and I will mop up China and Russia.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on August 03, 2022, 05:15:52 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 03, 2022, 05:12:08 PM
lol that's fucking bullshit. They make up new 'crises' every day to blame on Putin.
If he's making everything so horrible just declare war already and level the Kremlin, even better give me command of NATO for a week and I will mop up China and Russia.

:badass
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on August 03, 2022, 05:53:48 PM
Inspiring words about President Ben Franklin from Nancy Pelosi!

https://streamable.com/8m1gwc
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 03, 2022, 05:58:51 PM
Quote from: Skullfuckers Anonymous on August 03, 2022, 05:53:48 PM
Inspiring words about President Ben Franklin from Nancy Pelosi!

https://streamable.com/8m1gwc
Is she the new leader of the Taliban or a gang of train robbers.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on August 03, 2022, 06:38:31 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 03, 2022, 05:12:08 PM
just declare war already and level the Kremlin, even better give me command of NATO for a week and I will mop up China and Russia.

If you ever wonder why we haven't had a nuclear armageddon in the last 70 years, it's because no Nintex has made it to power.

 :ohyeah
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 03, 2022, 08:58:39 PM
I would mop them up peacefully though
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HaughtyFrank on August 04, 2022, 09:54:45 AM
https://twitter.com/theurigeller/status/1554502442829611008

Putin put on notice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on August 04, 2022, 11:54:17 AM
Can we not just let him nuke Scotland and get it all out of his system?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 04, 2022, 01:08:02 PM
Why is no one worried that the UK is about to give control over 225 live nuclear warheads to Liz Truss  :doge

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2xt1J68C98

Putin has been sitting on his nukes for 20 years and mostly benefits from ground wars against countries without a strong air force.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: VomKriege on August 04, 2022, 11:56:13 PM
https://twitter.com/elisa1121/status/1554900144998400000

Freedom ballots ! 🥖
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 05, 2022, 12:29:34 PM
In Europe we usually call elections based on exit polls long before the actual vote count is complete :idont

anyhow, the IDF is making gaza great again

https://twitter.com/JoeTruzman/status/1555576203976683520 (https://twitter.com/JoeTruzman/status/1555576203976683520)

https://twitter.com/JoeTruzman/status/1555588339557752833 (https://twitter.com/JoeTruzman/status/1555588339557752833)

I guess militant outpost is now literally 1 guy in a watch tower in the middle of nowhere.

Quote
US National Security Council spokesman: We are monitoring developments in Gaza and urge all parties to calm down.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on August 05, 2022, 04:54:08 PM
She's on a roll.

https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1555624903566663680
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 05, 2022, 07:13:58 PM
https://twitter.com/AyoCaesar/status/1555642127115247617 (https://twitter.com/AyoCaesar/status/1555642127115247617)

Go back to America or where ever you came from :dead
It's official now, the US is a third world country
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 06, 2022, 05:15:12 AM
https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1555701550319898625 (https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1555701550319898625)

:pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on August 08, 2022, 02:07:57 PM
Quote from: Raist on August 05, 2022, 04:54:08 PM
She's on a roll.

https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1555624903566663680

The contest for who will be the shittiest UK PM continues.

Rishi strikes back.

https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1556590394170818560
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 08, 2022, 06:04:19 PM
Meanwhile in Cuba

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1556757152412450817 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1556757152412450817)

Meanwhile in Seoul

https://twitter.com/koryodynasty/status/1556625321704955904 (https://twitter.com/koryodynasty/status/1556625321704955904)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on August 09, 2022, 10:20:10 AM
https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1556997925775020032
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on August 09, 2022, 11:46:59 AM
Quote from: Raist on August 09, 2022, 10:20:10 AM
https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1556997925775020032

 :preach :respect :ryker :salute :playa :ohyeah :wow :sistine
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 09, 2022, 12:28:59 PM
Russia says ammunition detonated :dead

Yeah, it sort of did, I guess  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on August 09, 2022, 12:30:11 PM
Looks like a perfectly normal and routine test
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 09, 2022, 12:41:30 PM
https://twitter.com/mjluxmoore/status/1557007927256530945 (https://twitter.com/mjluxmoore/status/1557007927256530945)

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1556987921965654016 (https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1556987921965654016)

Estimates have the damage at 37 jets and 6 helicopters destroyed.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on August 09, 2022, 01:28:43 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 09, 2022, 12:28:59 PM
Russia says ammunition detonated :dead

Yeah, it sort of did, I guess  :lol

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1557035297019510786

 :teehee
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 09, 2022, 01:59:03 PM
They're literally stealing a nuclear power plant  :doge

https://twitter.com/ukraine_world/status/1557057005256409091 (https://twitter.com/ukraine_world/status/1557057005256409091)

Talking about power
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1557020018092789764 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1557020018092789764)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 09, 2022, 04:36:15 PM
Russians fleeing Crimea
https://twitter.com/Flash43191300/status/1557094731829727232 (https://twitter.com/Flash43191300/status/1557094731829727232)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HaughtyFrank on August 09, 2022, 06:19:37 PM
How and why Russia never managed to establish air superiority will probably be a topic for the various military think tanks for quite a while.

Good for Ukraine though.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 09, 2022, 06:19:38 PM
The fact that Russia apparently has no working anti-air or missile defense systems to protect their bases seems to be easily ignored.

But they do have Steven Seagal so it's about even.

https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1557128628021989379 (https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1557128628021989379)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on August 09, 2022, 07:27:33 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 09, 2022, 04:36:15 PM
Russians fleeing Crimea
https://twitter.com/Flash43191300/status/1557094731829727232 (https://twitter.com/Flash43191300/status/1557094731829727232)
It'd be a real shame if those people living in an annexed province of another country were caught up in the war started by their president...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 10, 2022, 01:06:50 PM
The Russians have beefed up their air defense

https://twitter.com/na_intel/status/1557381938742263808 (https://twitter.com/na_intel/status/1557381938742263808)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on August 10, 2022, 03:21:39 PM
https://twitter.com/DarkMeme1988/status/1557429957571346434
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on August 10, 2022, 03:29:09 PM
:dead :dead :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on August 11, 2022, 07:04:03 AM
Quote from: Nintex on August 09, 2022, 01:59:03 PM
Talking about power
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1557020018092789764 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1557020018092789764)

(https://i.imgur.com/HdmYpGg.jpeg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 11, 2022, 04:50:26 PM
https://twitter.com/JamWaterhouse/status/1557803084612526081 (https://twitter.com/JamWaterhouse/status/1557803084612526081)

Can you boys stop fighting at the Nuclear Powerplant please? Ok, thanks
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 12, 2022, 03:22:26 AM
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1557933881365610496 (https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1557933881365610496)
 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kurt Russell on August 12, 2022, 11:29:54 AM
Cancel culture isn't rea-

Quote

Author Salman Rushdie attacked on stage

A reporter from the Associated Press news agency witnessed the attack on Salman Rushdie just ahead of a lecture he was due to give in western New York.

The journalist saw a man storm the stage at the Chautauqua Institution and begin punching or stabbing Rushdie as he was being introduced, the news agency says.

The author was taken or fell to the floor, and the man was restrained, it reports.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-62524833

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 12, 2022, 02:49:48 PM
Quote
Ayatollah Khomeini’s 1989 fatwa that called for Rushdie's execution and offered a $3 million reward for his murder.

But as recently as 2016, Iranian state-run media outlets added $600,000 to the bounty on his head.

Wonder if Iran will cough up the $3.6 million for the attacker.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on August 12, 2022, 08:11:30 PM
https://twitter.com/RehanMSabir/status/1558242293270085632

Dude wants a Dutch blowjob.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 13, 2022, 05:39:14 AM
https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1557715481854971904 (https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1557715481854971904)

 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 14, 2022, 10:39:54 AM
The Russians claim to have arrested former FSB/GRU operative Strelkov on the Crimea, who back in the day started the seperatists' war in the Donbass and now is mostly famous for talking shit about the Putin regime and being wanted for the M17 attack.

https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1558527968993054721 (https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1558527968993054721)

In his last post on Telegram he called for the entire Politbureau (aka, decision makers in Moscow) to be shot and the Russian army to dig in around Stalingrad and Moscow.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FaEK5bnWQAAQvQQ?format=jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 16, 2022, 05:27:42 AM
Quote from: Nintex on August 10, 2022, 01:06:50 PM
The Russians have beefed up their air defense

https://twitter.com/na_intel/status/1557381938742263808 (https://twitter.com/na_intel/status/1557381938742263808)

Guess they don't work  ???

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1559419616799215616 (https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1559419616799215616)

https://twitter.com/mrsorokaa/status/1559445666463727616 (https://twitter.com/mrsorokaa/status/1559445666463727616)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on August 17, 2022, 12:38:33 AM
Quote from: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/16/saudi-woman-given-34-year-prison-sentence-for-using-twitter
Salma al-Shehab, 34, a mother of two young children, was initially sentenced to serve three years in prison for the “crime” of using an internet website to “cause public unrest and destabilise civil and national security”. But an appeals court on Monday handed down the new sentence – 34 years in prison followed by a 34-year travel ban – after a public prosecutor asked the court to consider other alleged crimes.

According to a translation of the court records, which were seen by the Guardian, the new charges include the allegation that Shehab was “assisting those who seek to cause public unrest and destabilise civil and national security by following their Twitter accounts” and by re-tweeting their tweets. It is believed that Shehab may still be able to seek a new appeal in the case.

By all accounts, Shehab was not a leading or especially vocal Saudi activist, either inside the kingdom or in the UK. She described herself on Instagram – where she had 159 followers – as a dental hygienist, medical educator, PhD student at Leeds University and lecturer at Princess Nourah bint Abdulrahman University, and as a wife and a mother to her sons, Noah and Adam.

Her Twitter profile showed she had 2,597 followers. Among tweets about Covid burnout and pictures of her young children, Shehab sometimes retweeted tweets by Saudi dissidents living in exile, which called for the release of political prisoners in the kingdom. She seemed to support the case of Loujain al-Hathloul, a prominent Saudi feminist activist who was previously imprisoned, is alleged to have been tortured for supporting driving rights for women, and is now living under a travel ban.
Talk shit and fuck around, get hit and find out. So-called "freedom of speech" doesn't mean you can undermine democracy. :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on August 17, 2022, 12:55:33 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on August 17, 2022, 12:38:33 AM
Quote from: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/16/saudi-woman-given-34-year-prison-sentence-for-using-twitter
Salma al-Shehab, 34, a mother of two young children, was initially sentenced to serve three years in prison for the “crime” of using an internet website to “cause public unrest and destabilise civil and national security”. But an appeals court on Monday handed down the new sentence – 34 years in prison followed by a 34-year travel ban – after a public prosecutor asked the court to consider other alleged crimes.

According to a translation of the court records, which were seen by the Guardian, the new charges include the allegation that Shehab was “assisting those who seek to cause public unrest and destabilise civil and national security by following their Twitter accounts” and by re-tweeting their tweets. It is believed that Shehab may still be able to seek a new appeal in the case.

By all accounts, Shehab was not a leading or especially vocal Saudi activist, either inside the kingdom or in the UK. She described herself on Instagram – where she had 159 followers – as a dental hygienist, medical educator, PhD student at Leeds University and lecturer at Princess Nourah bint Abdulrahman University, and as a wife and a mother to her sons, Noah and Adam.

Her Twitter profile showed she had 2,597 followers. Among tweets about Covid burnout and pictures of her young children, Shehab sometimes retweeted tweets by Saudi dissidents living in exile, which called for the release of political prisoners in the kingdom. She seemed to support the case of Loujain al-Hathloul, a prominent Saudi feminist activist who was previously imprisoned, is alleged to have been tortured for supporting driving rights for women, and is now living under a travel ban.
Talk shit and fuck around, get hit and find out. So-called "freedom of speech" doesn't mean you can undermine democracy. :trumps
Headline is a little misleading, but it is The Guardian so not much better can be expected.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on August 17, 2022, 02:50:15 AM
https://twitter.com/TelegraphLife/status/1559582738973425664

The UK is going to starve.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 17, 2022, 07:31:29 AM
Team Sunak is still trying to sink Liz.

In the latest episode, she's caught on a recording saying that not all problems should be blamed on the EU and immigrants but that you know, the brits are a bit lazy.
https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1559672792878129152 (https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1559672792878129152)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on August 17, 2022, 03:49:12 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 17, 2022, 07:31:29 AM
Team Sunak is still trying to sink Liz.

In the latest episode, she's caught on a recording saying that not all problems should be blamed on the EU and immigrants but that you know, the brits are a bit lazy.
https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1559672792878129152 (https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1559672792878129152)

She... is not wrong here.

It makes me hate her a little less.

 :ohyeah
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 18, 2022, 02:13:47 AM
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1560015797367488517 (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1560015797367488517)
 :playa

If this is their biggest controversy I would say she and her country are doing just fine.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 18, 2022, 11:16:10 AM
Let's check in on the war
https://twitter.com/maria_avdv/status/1560277122651787264 (https://twitter.com/maria_avdv/status/1560277122651787264)

https://twitter.com/JoshNBCNews/status/1560278786184097793 (https://twitter.com/JoshNBCNews/status/1560278786184097793)

:wut
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 18, 2022, 11:27:25 AM
https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1560222913210490881 (https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1560222913210490881)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HaughtyFrank on August 18, 2022, 01:19:20 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 18, 2022, 11:27:25 AM
https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1560222913210490881 (https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1560222913210490881)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/54/05/bf/5405bf76dd4e8269b7ed332c33fedc69.png)

Oh dear god, no!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 18, 2022, 01:57:01 PM
In this ridiculous era you can actually see them prepare the false flag attack in real time.

https://twitter.com/trbrtc/status/1560318299363221506 (https://twitter.com/trbrtc/status/1560318299363221506)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: tiesto on August 18, 2022, 02:01:43 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 18, 2022, 02:13:47 AM
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1560015797367488517 (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1560015797367488517)
 :playa

If this is their biggest controversy I would say she and her country are doing just fine.

Let her party. Her and her country deserve it - I mean, it's not like a Finn was responsible for one of the most enduring and recognizable dance music songs of all time or anything.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 18, 2022, 02:33:16 PM
https://twitter.com/L0gg0l/status/1560332276994539521 (https://twitter.com/L0gg0l/status/1560332276994539521)

Russian shell makers :money
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 18, 2022, 05:52:24 PM
You can even look at a 3D viewer of the nuclear plant Russia is about to sabotage.  :doge
https://twitter.com/trbrtc/status/1560380984255717378 (https://twitter.com/trbrtc/status/1560380984255717378)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on August 19, 2022, 06:13:22 AM
Quote
Today he was asked on ITV's This Morning what his favourite order at McDonald's was.

He said: "I was there at about I think, gosh, 7.45am in the morning, or 7.30am, so it was not a burger and nuggets. So I get a bacon roll with ketchup and the pancakes."


He added: "If I'm with my daughters then we get the wrap" with "the hash brown and everything in it."
However, breakfast wraps have not been served since March 2020 due to the coronavirus pandemic and in January McDonald's confirmed they would not return.
The gaffe was likened to David Cameron claiming as prime minister in 2012 that he loved pasties and had last eaten one at the West Cornwall Pasty Company at Leeds station. The outlet had closed years earlier.

A Sunak campaign source said: "Rishi has barely seen his kids in the last two-and-a-half years since he became chancellor so there has been almost no opportunity to share a McDonald's with them. He's hoping they might consider bringing the breakfast wrap back on the menu."

A spokesman for McDonald's said: "Bringing the breakfast wrap isn't something we're considering at the moment."

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rishi-sunaks-favourite-mcdonalds-item-hasnt-been-on-menu-for-two-years-vwdmw39jm


I love how the campaign source's explanation makes it 10 times worse :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 19, 2022, 06:21:27 AM
"Rishi doesn't care about his children enough to take them to McDonalds" is quite the defense :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: jorma on August 19, 2022, 06:40:17 AM
weirdest "gaffe" ever

not letting the kids eat at mcd is probably the best thing he ever did for them    :lol

i mean of course he has to pretend he's all about the shitty food, he is trying to get elected in the uk ffs   :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 19, 2022, 08:08:53 AM
Dutch government is in crisis too.

Economic outlook is terrible. Despite 4% economic growth, purchasing power will decrease up to 8% next year, perhaps even more.
1 in 10 kids will be in poverty.

One of the coalition partners which has been decimated in the polls now wants to change course dramatically. The leader of the Christian Democrats has grown a beard so you know he's serious.
He wants 10 billion for poverty reduction (mostly to deal with the energy prices), more time for nitrogen reduction to end the farmers protests and a short term ban on immigration as there is a shortage of housing and welfare services.

(https://abload.de/img/download4zepy.jpg)

The left is very, very angry at this 'treason', (especially on the nitrogen and immigration issue) and PM Rutte has said that it should stop with this one act of defiance otherwise things could become very difficult.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on August 19, 2022, 09:37:04 AM
Yass king
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on August 19, 2022, 12:20:48 PM
Quote from: jorma on August 19, 2022, 06:40:17 AM
weirdest "gaffe" ever

not letting the kids eat at mcd is probably the best thing he ever did for them    :lol

i mean of course he has to pretend he's all about the shitty food, he is trying to get elected in the uk ffs   :doge
If he wants to appeal to the common folk, he should just talk about how he doesn't let his kids brush their teeth or go to the dentist.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HaughtyFrank on August 19, 2022, 02:03:58 PM
German chancellor being reinvestigated over an older scandal

https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/german-chancellor-to-be-questioned-today-in-tax-fraud-inquiry-reports-122081900330_1.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 19, 2022, 02:05:39 PM
https://twitter.com/business/status/1560652333595656192 (https://twitter.com/business/status/1560652333595656192)

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1560688798169694213 (https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1560688798169694213)

Another Witch Hunt

She did nothing wrong
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: jorma on August 19, 2022, 02:07:55 PM
Quote from: Potato on August 19, 2022, 12:20:48 PM
Quote from: jorma on August 19, 2022, 06:40:17 AM
weirdest "gaffe" ever

not letting the kids eat at mcd is probably the best thing he ever did for them    :lol

i mean of course he has to pretend he's all about the shitty food, he is trying to get elected in the uk ffs   :doge
If he wants to appeal to the common folk, he should just talk about how he doesn't let his kids brush their teeth or go to the dentist.

my thing is kinda real though. just ask jamie oliver, brits get real mad when people try to get their kids to not eat shitty food
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on August 19, 2022, 03:54:45 PM
Quote from: jorma on August 19, 2022, 02:07:55 PM
Quote from: Potato on August 19, 2022, 12:20:48 PM
Quote from: jorma on August 19, 2022, 06:40:17 AM
weirdest "gaffe" ever

not letting the kids eat at mcd is probably the best thing he ever did for them    :lol

i mean of course he has to pretend he's all about the shitty food, he is trying to get elected in the uk ffs   :doge
If he wants to appeal to the common folk, he should just talk about how he doesn't let his kids brush their teeth or go to the dentist.

my thing is kinda real though. just ask jamie oliver, brits get real mad when people try to get their kids to not eat shitty food
Yes, but have you seen the state of people's teeth in the UK? All that junk food and Irn Bru has a price.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 19, 2022, 06:57:39 PM
https://twitter.com/peterjukes/status/1560548030994124800 (https://twitter.com/peterjukes/status/1560548030994124800)

:juche
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on August 19, 2022, 07:28:52 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 19, 2022, 02:05:39 PM
https://twitter.com/business/status/1560652333595656192 (https://twitter.com/business/status/1560652333595656192)

Another Witch Hunt

She did nothing wrong
Now do an adrenochrome test. :ufup
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on August 20, 2022, 04:21:04 AM
Quote from: Nintex on August 19, 2022, 06:57:39 PM
https://twitter.com/peterjukes/status/1560548030994124800 (https://twitter.com/peterjukes/status/1560548030994124800)

:juche
Fucking idiots can't even demolish a building properly...how they gonna demolish Taiwan?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on August 20, 2022, 05:20:13 AM
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1560868067793584128

https://twitter.com/na_intel/status/1560871047548870658

https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1560877381388304384

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-62615601?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=63009f6159a1fa43751d0df2%26Ukrainian%20drone%20shot%20down%20over%20naval%20headquarters%2C%20regional%20head%20says%262022-08-20T08%3A59%3A30.625Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:8f1376ed-a87d-412e-9a93-318609151367&pinned_post_asset_id=63009f6159a1fa43751d0df2&pinned_post_type=share


Quote
The Russian-installed regional head Mikhail Razvozhayev did not mention any damage caused, but said in a Telegram post that a Ukrainian drone had been shot down over naval headquarters and fell onto the roof of the building.

He posted a picture online, saying nobody was hurt.

"It was hit right above the fleet HQ. It fell on the roof and caught fire. They did not manage to carry out the strike. Good job, boys", he said.

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 20, 2022, 05:55:45 AM
I read it was a Donetsk resident who shot it down, so the air defense capability of the Black Sea Fleet HQ is a bystander with an AK-47  :doge


https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1560904599392993280 (https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1560904599392993280)

The Russians don't even have air defense, why don't we just level the Kremlin :idont
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 20, 2022, 12:45:22 PM
Quote from: Potato on August 20, 2022, 04:21:04 AM
Quote from: Nintex on August 19, 2022, 06:57:39 PM
https://twitter.com/peterjukes/status/1560548030994124800 (https://twitter.com/peterjukes/status/1560548030994124800)

:juche
Fucking idiots can't even demolish a building properly...how they gonna demolish Taiwan?

That was my first thought on how the buildings went down.


Also, they must have run out of construction workers, but now they can have a bunch clean up workers!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HaughtyFrank on August 20, 2022, 12:53:58 PM
Quote from: Cauliflower Of Love on August 20, 2022, 12:45:22 PM
Quote from: Potato on August 20, 2022, 04:21:04 AM
Quote from: Nintex on August 19, 2022, 06:57:39 PM
https://twitter.com/peterjukes/status/1560548030994124800 (https://twitter.com/peterjukes/status/1560548030994124800)

:juche
Fucking idiots can't even demolish a building properly...how they gonna demolish Taiwan?

That was my first thought on how the buildings went down.


Also, they must have run out of construction workers, but now they can have a bunch clean up workers!

What is really scary are those buildings where the explosions went off but it wasn't enough to make them collapse. How do you even demolish a high-rise that's now definitely structurally unstable?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on August 20, 2022, 01:28:21 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 19, 2022, 06:57:39 PM
https://twitter.com/peterjukes/status/1560548030994124800 (https://twitter.com/peterjukes/status/1560548030994124800)

:juche


Tiiiimbeeeeeeeeeeeeer
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 20, 2022, 05:48:56 PM
Alexander's Dugin daughter has been blown up in her car

https://twitter.com/ObywateleRP/status/1561105522509627393 (https://twitter.com/ObywateleRP/status/1561105522509627393)

Dugin is most known for his crackpot theories on greater Russia and one of Putin's advisors.
His daughter was involved in politics too.

Dugin spotted at the scene, he was supposed to have been in the car.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FaoulhuWQAEKXcj?format=jpg)
[close]

Busy night,
3 GRU agents arrested trying to break into a weapons factory in Albania. They attacked 2 soldiers with some kind of Chemical.
Albania is a NATO member.

https://twitter.com/Petrit/status/1561083355512197120 (https://twitter.com/Petrit/status/1561083355512197120)

They entered as tourists, which is another big win for German Chancellor Scholz who was against banning Russians from entering the EU.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: fizzel on August 20, 2022, 09:04:40 PM
Reality just came at Dugin hard
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on August 20, 2022, 11:25:35 PM
https://twitter.com/RealAlexRubi/status/1560363839035568129

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/markpack/status/1560948532500119553
https://twitter.com/AdrianCovert/status/1561035369616797702
https://twitter.com/saver_ag/status/1561042365124689920
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: VomKriege on August 21, 2022, 03:50:39 AM
https://twitter.com/RealAlexRubi/status/1561248114647781376
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 21, 2022, 04:40:37 AM
You forgot his best tweet
https://twitter.com/RealAlexRubi/status/1560369579615916032 (https://twitter.com/RealAlexRubi/status/1560369579615916032)

I'll take the dancing girl over the fat dictator, thank you!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: VomKriege on August 21, 2022, 04:45:00 AM
That, I can believe, is an actual joke.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on August 21, 2022, 05:02:20 AM
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/20/europe/darya-dugina-killed-car-explosion-alexander-dugin-russia-intl-hnk/index.html

Quote
Investigators have opened a criminal case into the murder of Darya Dugina, saying at around 9.00 p.m. local time on Saturday, near the village of "Bolshiye Vyazemy, an explosive device, presumably installed in the Toyota Land Cruiser, went off on a public road and the car caught fire," the press service of the Russian Investigative Committee said according to TASS.

"The female driver died at the scene. We established the identity of the deceased: it is journalist and political analyst Daria Dugina," it added in a post on Telegram.
Andrei Krasnov, head of the Russky Gorizont (Russian Horizon) social movement and a personal acquaintance of the woman's family, told TASS on Sunday that Dugina was killed when her car caught fire following an explosion.

Krasnov said he knew Dugina personally and that the car she was traveling in belonged to her father. He believed Alexander was the true target of the blast, or possibly both of them, Tass reported.

"It's her father's car," Krasnov told TASS. "Dasha (Darya) drives another car, but she drove his car today, and Alexander went separately."

 :lol

https://twitter.com/AnonOpsSE/status/1561224488926281728

 :lol

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 21, 2022, 06:12:55 AM
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1561234869404958721 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1561234869404958721)

She was as fucked up as he was apparently, a true believer in Russky Mir. Also much effort into the investigation there.
This really raises a lot of questions, was it a political opponent or perhaps even Putin? Was it partisans or the FSB?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on August 21, 2022, 07:19:47 AM
My first thought is that it was Ukraine, but this is Putin's Russia, so who knows.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 21, 2022, 08:09:03 AM
Quote from: Potato on August 21, 2022, 07:19:47 AM
My first thought is that it was Ukraine, but this is Putin's Russia, so who knows.
If you have a shot to take out a high level regime target in Moscow before they beef up security your target wouldn't be Dugin.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HaughtyFrank on August 21, 2022, 11:32:55 AM
Probably many angry Russian parents and ex-veterans who lost family/friends in the war. If he was really such a driving factor behind it I could see why he'd get targeted.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 21, 2022, 12:34:33 PM
https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1561388452570169347 (https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1561388452570169347)

Not great, not terrible
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 21, 2022, 01:43:05 PM
Serbs moving Tanks to the Kosovan border, Balkan intensifies
https://twitter.com/DemeryUK/status/1561348459290132480 (https://twitter.com/DemeryUK/status/1561348459290132480)

https://twitter.com/scehaber/status/1561392636203638785 (https://twitter.com/scehaber/status/1561392636203638785)

https://twitter.com/xhemajl_rexha/status/1561330013013786624 (https://twitter.com/xhemajl_rexha/status/1561330013013786624)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HaughtyFrank on August 21, 2022, 03:04:57 PM
Russian TV blames the Dugin attack on Ukraine, Ukraine is denying any involvement and some believe it might have been the FSB

https://twitter.com/ruslantrad/status/1561290317785141249
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 21, 2022, 05:31:16 PM
He's not wrong about that. The FSB was supposed to infiltrate the Ukrainian government and security forces on all levels so the war would quickly end. They spend billions to accomplish this.
In some ways they were succesful, such as demining the south and having one of Zelensky's negotiators work for them in secret.

But all in all they completely misread the situation on the ground or simply lied in their reports.

The fact that they blame 'Ukraine' and they don't have any more specifics shows that the Russians (or at least the propagandists) don't know what happened either.


There it is
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/21/ex-russian-mp-claims-russian-partisans-responsible-for-moscow-car-bomb (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/21/ex-russian-mp-claims-russian-partisans-responsible-for-moscow-car-bomb)https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1561445936915951616 (https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1561445936915951616)

Quote
“We declare President Putin a usurper of power and a war criminal who amended the Constitution, unleashed a fratricidal war between the Slavic peoples and sent Russian soldiers to certain and senseless death.

“Poverty and coffins for some, palaces for others – the essence of his policy. We believe that disenfranchised people have the right to rebel against tyrants. Putin will be deposed and destroyed by us!”
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 21, 2022, 06:36:39 PM
In Pakistan they're trying to arrest Imran Khan

https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1561480772669816835 (https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1561480772669816835)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on August 21, 2022, 06:39:41 PM
https://twitter.com/KeirGiles/status/1561391676811317258

first claim of responsibility? 

edit: guess I'm late.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 22, 2022, 06:40:33 AM
https://twitter.com/Ali_al_Jasem/status/1560163741391527936 (https://twitter.com/Ali_al_Jasem/status/1560163741391527936)

Thousands of asylum seekers and refugees hit hard by the reality that our government literally does nothing about anything and torrential rain is the default weather setting.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 23, 2022, 03:17:05 PM
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1562136831164137472 (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1562136831164137472)

Erdogan tells Putin to leave the Crimea.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 23, 2022, 06:32:23 PM
https://twitter.com/TimesRadio/status/1562159858719330304 (https://twitter.com/TimesRadio/status/1562159858719330304)

Liz Truss doesn't blink when asked if she's willing to unleash nuclear war  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on August 24, 2022, 01:51:45 AM
Presenter "[nuclear way] will mean global annihilation"
Truss "Don't worry, I'll press the button and kill you all"
Audience *Sand people cheers*
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HaughtyFrank on August 24, 2022, 02:43:00 AM
Finland's prime minister is truly having the hottest parties

Quote
Finland’s prime minister has apologised after an image of topless influencers taken during a private party at her taxpayer-funded residence emerged.

In a since-deleted TikTok post, two social media personalities were pictured kissing each other and covering their bare breasts with a “Finland” sign at Sanna Marin’s home.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/08/23/finnish-leader-sanna-marin-apologises-picture-topless-influencers/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Tycoon Padre on August 24, 2022, 09:02:01 AM
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1562365128276086785

 :gbcry :vr :gbcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 24, 2022, 09:15:14 AM
Quote from: who is ted danson? on August 24, 2022, 01:51:45 AM
Presenter "[nuclear way] will mean global annihilation"
Truss "Don't worry, I'll press the button and kill you all"
Audience *Sand people cheers*

Liz Truss catching Putin by surprise is how we win.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on August 25, 2022, 05:36:02 PM
Top equipment, Tovarishch

https://twitter.com/Kochevenko/status/1562877619871559680
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on August 25, 2022, 06:52:52 PM
Not to downplay the LOLs, but I think even the Kevlar would struggle at that range from the rifle. It's the weight of those plates that makes me laugh.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 26, 2022, 08:03:59 AM
https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1562887482881871874 (https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1562887482881871874)

https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1563130386410098688 (https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1563130386410098688)

 :gbcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 28, 2022, 03:40:59 PM
One of Austria's biggest energy companies needs a 1.7 billion bail out to stay afloat.

The European energy crisis is about to get much worse.

https://twitter.com/Schuldensuehner/status/1563416712707710976 (https://twitter.com/Schuldensuehner/status/1563416712707710976)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on August 28, 2022, 03:51:37 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 26, 2022, 08:03:59 AM
https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1562887482881871874 (https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1562887482881871874)

https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1563130386410098688 (https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1563130386410098688)

 :gbcry

The difference between a leader and a pretender.

(https://abload.de/img/francetde54.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: jorma on August 28, 2022, 04:00:16 PM
Quote from: Nintex on August 28, 2022, 03:40:59 PM
One of Austria's biggest energy companies needs a 1.7 billion bail out to stay afloat.

The European energy crisis is about to get much worse.

https://twitter.com/Schuldensuehner/status/1563416712707710976 (https://twitter.com/Schuldensuehner/status/1563416712707710976)

i think a lot of net exporters of electricity in the EU are considering regulating domestic prices right now, which would probably mean that the exported electricity will get even more expensive (since people in countries with regulated prices will be less likely to reduce their energy consumption)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 29, 2022, 07:19:47 AM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1564186756232237056 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1564186756232237056)

This would mean the end of political power for smaller EU nations.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 29, 2022, 07:49:47 AM
https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1564211113755086849 (https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1564211113755086849)

Ukraine has launched a counter offensive in Kherson.
According to some reports they've already breached the first line of the Russian defenses and Russian paratroopers (who are supposed to back-up the DNR/LNR ground forces) are fleeing the battlefield.

This attack comes after Putin offically took control of the army over the weekend, with commanders and generals reporting to him directly as opposed to defense minister Shoigu.

I don't think this is the big attack just yet, just early attempts to poke for weakpoints in the Russian defenses and make preperations for the big attack.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 29, 2022, 01:26:49 PM
Civil war in Iraq.
https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1564298570353807370 (https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1564298570353807370)

Not very good for big beautiful oil I presume 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 30, 2022, 03:18:42 AM
This party went on all night :titus

https://twitter.com/JoeTruzman/status/1564449444044865537 (https://twitter.com/JoeTruzman/status/1564449444044865537)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 30, 2022, 07:44:38 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-62719515

Chris Dawson: Husband in podcast-famous case guilty of murder
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on August 30, 2022, 10:38:45 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-62717569?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=630e0a55405bb048e3183bc5%26Moscow-appointed%20Kherson%20official%20has%20left%20for%20Russia%262022-08-30T13%3A46%3A23.753Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:30ed0b21-dff5-4c5f-92c7-24bc9429c815&pinned_post_asset_id=630e0a55405bb048e3183bc5&pinned_post_type=share

Quote
In an interesting turn of events, the Russian-appointed deputy leader of occupied Kherson appears to have left the city and is working from nearly 500 miles away in Russia.



https://twitter.com/John_Hudson/status/1564494132910899200
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 30, 2022, 02:18:45 PM
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1564599932119556105 (https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1564599932119556105)
Putin looks happy  :lol

Zelensky confirms that Ukraine is attacking in the south to retake Kherson and drive out the Russians. He told the Russian soldiers to flee.
It will be interesting to see if they can actually liberate Kherson without a significant drain on resources.

The UA army has requested a media black-out as the operation is ongoing.
The Russians are of course boasting about Ukrainian losses and the counter attack failing.
But they are missing the point that Ukraine being able to launch a large scale offensive is a momentum shift in the war.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on August 30, 2022, 03:51:00 PM
https://twitter.com/saintjavelin/status/1564156849682800640
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 30, 2022, 06:18:44 PM
The Dutch asylum crisis is still going strong. People sleeping outside, toilets are absolutely filthy. Some want to actually leave and try France or Germany instead but are now stuck in a bureaucratic nightmare.
But not to worry, our public broadcaster has decided to out-woke everyone by doing their talkshow live at the asylum center :titus

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fbbzd9pX0AsbMHY?format=jpg)

Of course the refugees themselves were allowed to watch the elite lefties discuss pie in the sky woke politics and the events of the day safely from behind the fence of their encampment wondering why instead of clean toilets and proper food, they got this :dead

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbcA5sbXoAAeDBq?format=jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HardcoreRetro on August 31, 2022, 05:22:28 AM
Quote from: Nintex on August 30, 2022, 06:18:44 PM
The Dutch asylum crisis is still going strong. People sleeping outside, toilets are absolutely filthy. Some want to actually leave and try France or Germany instead but are now stuck in a bureaucratic nightmare.
But not to worry, our public broadcaster has decided to out-woke everyone by doing their talkshow live at the asylum center :titus

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fbbzd9pX0AsbMHY?format=jpg)

Of course the refugees themselves were allowed to watch the elite lefties discuss pie in the sky woke politics and the events of the day safely from behind the fence of their encampment wondering why instead of clean toilets and proper food, they got this :dead

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbcA5sbXoAAeDBq?format=jpg)

This might actually work. Having them suffer through Op1 might get them to flee back to their own country.

Refugee crisis solved. Thanks Op1.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on August 31, 2022, 11:20:18 AM
https://twitter.com/bmuhhh/status/1564949267889983488
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HaughtyFrank on August 31, 2022, 02:00:06 PM
Didn't he lose his job? man's gotta eat
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on August 31, 2022, 04:46:49 PM
The memeing is fucking wild.

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1563188524324573185



https://twitter.com/oleksiireznikov/status/1564646677197328385
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 31, 2022, 05:14:50 PM
Real meme wars :salute


Sunak still thinks it's a good idea to highlight the fact that he neglects his family. Going for that deadbeat dad vote  :doge
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1565066854447587329 (https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1565066854447587329)

And he made that sacrifice to lose to Liz Truss.

I don't know why the people in the UK aren't protesting in the streets right now.
I mean, sure things suck in most countries with inflation and high energy costs and all but the fact that they get this circus instead of any real government action really takes the cake.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 01, 2022, 03:26:28 AM
https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1565234707587125250 (https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1565234707587125250)

Dugina, Gorbi, this guy.

It's FSB season.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on September 01, 2022, 03:40:25 AM
Window design safety standards in Russia sure seem like they need an update.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 01, 2022, 02:28:56 PM
Better late than never

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1565308266690789382 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1565308266690789382)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 01, 2022, 04:07:34 PM
https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1565298102524846080 (https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1565298102524846080)

thanks for the tip boris  :playa
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on September 01, 2022, 06:00:49 PM
pro-tip: Plant bamboo and you get free wood for heat all winter long
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HaughtyFrank on September 01, 2022, 06:05:29 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVScf5aXEAMLPaA.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 02, 2022, 02:27:08 PM
https://twitter.com/MacWBishop/status/1565665525379776512 (https://twitter.com/MacWBishop/status/1565665525379776512)

Makes sense
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on September 02, 2022, 03:01:02 PM
https://twitter.com/Flash43191300/status/1565674984202199042

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on September 02, 2022, 10:48:52 PM
NT Supreme Court Justice Judith Kelly criticises anti-racism 'ideology' sentiment in speech on domestic violence in Aboriginal communities

Quote from: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-02/nt-justice-judith-kelly-domestic-violence-anti-racism-speech/101398494
Talking about domestic violence in Aboriginal communities was "difficult" according to the judge, due to "an ideology of supposed 'anti-racism'".

"[Anti-racism] is beginning to assume the dimensions of a religion or a cult under the influence of which people and institutions are casually and inaccurately labelled as "racist" without any evidentiary basis for the charge," Justice Kelly said.

"Eschew the invidious terms 'institutional racism' and "systemic racism" unless there is at least some evidence that the institution in question does actually have racist policies."

#nintexwasright
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 03, 2022, 05:15:23 AM
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1565977901941641216 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1565977901941641216)

Don't shuffle so close to those windows guys. You might never know which 300 pound depressed oligarch might land on your head.

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1565987223299825664 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1565987223299825664)

With Gorbi out now we can finally have real communism  :ussrcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 03, 2022, 01:54:40 PM
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1566067770068029442 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1566067770068029442)

Kadyrov is calling it quits :titus
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HaughtyFrank on September 03, 2022, 02:10:28 PM
Fascist dictators can just quit?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 04, 2022, 05:45:20 PM
https://twitter.com/Fxhedgers/status/1566467202739347456 (https://twitter.com/Fxhedgers/status/1566467202739347456)

 ???
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 04, 2022, 05:54:10 PM
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1566543532743135235 (https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1566543532743135235)

what the fuck
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on September 05, 2022, 01:21:00 AM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-05/chile-resoundingly-rejects-new-progressive-constitution/101405962 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-05/chile-resoundingly-rejects-new-progressive-constitution/101405962)

Quote
Chileans have voted to resoundingly reject a new constitution to replace a charter imposed by the dictatorship of General Augusto Pinochet 41 years ago.

It focused on social issues, the environment, rights to free education, healthcare and housing.

Critics said the proposals were too long, lacked clarity and went too far in some of measures.

Proposals included characterising Chile as a plurinational state, establishing autonomous Indigenous territories, and prioritising the environment and gender parity.

Most Chileans favour changing the dictatorship-era constitution, and Mr Boric made it clear the process to amend it would not end with Sunday's vote.

He had tied his fortunes so closely to the new document that analysts said it was likely some voters saw the poll as a referendum on his government.

Mr Boric's approval ratings have been plunging since he took office in March.

What happens now amounts to a big question mark.

Many Chilean political leaders agree that the constitution dating from the country's 1973-1990 military rule must change.
Imagine fucking up your proposed new constitution so badly that 62% of the population prefer the one drafted by Pinochet...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 05, 2022, 03:06:25 AM
More like a Wokestitution :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 05, 2022, 01:11:55 PM
https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1566768172933550081 (https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1566768172933550081)

Putty makes it official


In other news, Liz Truss is "elected" as the new UK prime minister

Quote
Liz Truss 81,326
Rishi Sunak 60,399

 :gbcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on September 06, 2022, 05:56:00 AM
On the bright side, the Kremlin is pretty unhappy about Truss becoming new PM, because this means continued strong (military) support for Ukraine.
I hope the rest of Europe steps it up, too. With Russia having stopped to deliver natural gas (in breach of contract), there really is no more reason to hold back.
The sanctions are obviously working, as Russia is now forced to import artillery shells from NORTH KOREA, of all places.
Furthermore, it would seem US- and international pressure on China is effective, with China not supplying Russia with much needed hi-tech (though gobbling up cheap Russian oil).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on September 06, 2022, 06:21:15 AM
The UK hasn't delivered significantly more stuff than many other EU countries. They're just way more vocal about it (what a shock coming from Boris et al :teehee)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on September 06, 2022, 09:06:06 AM
Quote from: Nintex on September 04, 2022, 05:45:20 PM
https://twitter.com/Fxhedgers/status/1566467202739347456 (https://twitter.com/Fxhedgers/status/1566467202739347456)

 ???

Not good.  Initial Lehman crash was stopped with some $800 bn fed money.  Now double that amount is needed to cover short squeeze losses. European energy trading risks grinding to a halt unless governments extend liquidity to cover margin calls of at least $1.5 trillion, according to Norwegian energy company Equinor ASA.   :dizzy   VP claims that “the company’s estimate for $1.5 trillion to prop up so-called paper trading is “conservative", too.   :-\
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on September 06, 2022, 10:34:00 AM
Nintex is going to freeze to death this winter when his feeble Dutch body cant handle temperatures below 6c
 :tauntaun :heyman :crowdlaff :girlaff
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 06, 2022, 03:00:36 PM
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1567127979339177985 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1567127979339177985)

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1567184700912943107 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1567184700912943107)

What a season opener :gbcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on September 06, 2022, 04:24:20 PM
https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1567237781969043463

:lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 06, 2022, 05:46:32 PM
I appreciate a good troll but it's also pretty grim to fake deaths in a war that has costs the lives of thousands. It also doesn't help to give the people who think the whole thing is faked and staged in Hollywood more ammunition.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 06, 2022, 05:50:24 PM
Surely even Putins bored of this shit now, can't he just pretend he won, its not like the Russian gov have been telling the truth to their people in the first place so another fib won't do any harm :elon
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 06, 2022, 06:16:37 PM
Quote from: Pissy F Benny on September 06, 2022, 05:50:24 PM
Surely even Putins bored of this shit now, can't he just pretend he won, its not like the Russian gov have been telling the truth to their people in the first place so another fib won't do any harm :elon
Russian gas giant Gazprom made a record 2.5 trillion roubles ($41.75 billion) in net profit in the first half of 2022 :putin

Russia is fighting a very cheap and profitable war. They're mostly using artillery shells stored for god knows how long.
Their latest new supplier is North Korea, who will probably undercut the Chinese on price.

Russians troops are the lowest of the low. Fed dog food and send to the trenches with decades old equipment. The LNR/DNR rebels get the left-overs from the Russian left-overs.
The homefront for Russian soldiers is mandatory male prostitution or running errands for the mob who blackmail the military for all they're worth.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on September 06, 2022, 07:26:05 PM
Doesn't matter how cheap they get their arsenal - the ruble is currently a one-side trade as imports to Russia have disappeared.  Russias reported imports and the export numbers published by their (former) trade partners show a huge discrepancy.  It has resorted to stripping microchips from dishwashers and fridges to use in its military gear for semiconductors.  Timely indicators like sales/registration of cars show that nobody is buying anything.  Also, Russia does not have a viable alternate market in India and China like everyone thinks they do -- something like 40 out 250 billion cubic meters are exported as liquid natural gas, but there are no pipelines from the huge fields north of Murmansk to anywhere else other than Europe.  It will take years for Russia to build anything that could redirect flows.  The Power of Siberia pipeline still is in its infancy and pumps relatively little.   
 (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fb99s1pXoAQZ3I6?format=jpg&name=small)   
(https://imgur.com/dRx0YQl.jpg)
 This is a game of attrition that Russia is losing. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on September 07, 2022, 01:30:43 AM
Exactly. What Russia does is not sustainable, and there is no quick way out.

@Propagandhim
They have even started to sell cars without airbags.
And they get no replacement parts for anything, planes, trains, automobiles.
Russia has no capability to produce any of that stuff. The side effect of decades of kleptocracy.
Additionally the country is facing a brain-drain; hundreds of thousands of capable young adults (who are badly needed in the technology sector) are getting out or have already left (some in recent years, many after the start of the invasion).

In the short run , Russia is able to screw with Europe by withholding energy, but in the long run, Russia is screwed.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on September 07, 2022, 01:59:14 AM
Thinking about all the russian gamers that weren't able to pick up a 3xxx GPU before this started and now will never get a new gpu

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on September 07, 2022, 02:11:48 AM
Quote from: Potato on September 05, 2022, 01:21:00 AM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-05/chile-resoundingly-rejects-new-progressive-constitution/101405962 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-05/chile-resoundingly-rejects-new-progressive-constitution/101405962)

Quote
Critics said the proposals were too long, lacked clarity and went too far in some of measures.
Imagine fucking up your proposed new constitution so badly that 62% of the population prefer the one drafted by Pinochet...
Thanks I meant to look at this earlier, thing is 178 pages long: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Proposed_Political_Constitution_of_the_Republic_of_Chile

A lot of the rights seem like they'd have to contradict, which is pretty normal for these modern constitutions. For example, it establishes the right to equality under the law, then establishes specific separate laws and rights for recognized Indigenous groups. It recognizes nature as having its own set of rights somehow while also claiming the state will be secular.

The old one's pretty long too but a bunch of it involves the transition back to democracy, setting up a bunch of stuff that was supposed to go away after so long, etc. I can see why people wouldn't trust it over something that's already been amended twenty some times.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 07, 2022, 09:41:42 AM
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1567462388898594816 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1567462388898594816)

 :maf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on September 07, 2022, 09:48:17 AM
I’m sure all the rich and powerful will have their electricity reduced too  :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on September 07, 2022, 10:17:14 AM
Simply turn off the internet between 5 and 7pm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on September 07, 2022, 11:31:04 AM
https://twitter.com/post_liberal/status/1566801434783498244
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 07, 2022, 01:44:39 PM
https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1567518365761011712 (https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1567518365761011712)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on September 07, 2022, 02:32:52 PM
Russia's getting their shit kicked in quite hard in both the Kherson and Kharkiv regions.

This sums it up pretty well:

https://twitter.com/Vlad85742324/status/1567550258023915520
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 07, 2022, 03:03:18 PM
I watched some reports but it looks like Ukraine hyped up a big counter offensive in Kherson so they could deliver a big blow in Kharkiv also.

They're making mincemeat of the first echelon of "Russian" troops, mainly DNR/LNR rebels and poorly equipped guys from the far east.
The question now is where Russia will deploy it's reinforcements and air power to try and stop the counter attacks.

Reserves were on route to Kherson and now risk being cut off.

The Russians are retreating across the Dnipro using their Pontoon bridges
https://twitter.com/tinso_ww/status/1567571695535366145 (https://twitter.com/tinso_ww/status/1567571695535366145)

There's a sequel video to this that is quite graphic and shows them all shell shocked because crossing pontoons within enemy artillery range is... yeah.

At the same time the attack has also taken its toll on the attackers. Especially those in the first wave.
https://twitter.com/shashj/status/1567570862764613639 (https://twitter.com/shashj/status/1567570862764613639)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 08, 2022, 10:01:31 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-62834633

Queen seems to be on her deathbed
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on September 08, 2022, 11:53:17 AM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on September 08, 2022, 10:01:31 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-62834633

Queen seems to be on her deathbed

https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2022-09-06/clip-emerges-of-young-liz-truss-branding-monarchy-disgraceful

Hmmm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on September 08, 2022, 12:07:12 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on September 08, 2022, 10:01:31 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-62834633

Queen seems to be on her deathbed

My first thought...

(https://abload.de/img/ex3vk2lxiaeraap6ledp.jpg)

 :picard
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on September 08, 2022, 12:40:47 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on September 08, 2022, 10:01:31 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-62834633

Queen seems to be on her deathbed

:fbm

Shes the one thing the whole world had in common


Edit, just realized my grandmother is older than the queen  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 08, 2022, 01:28:49 PM
The Russian army is falling apart(?)

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1567916735054991360 (https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1567916735054991360)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 08, 2022, 01:40:38 PM
Queen passed
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 08, 2022, 02:11:21 PM
The PMs statement sounds like a middle grade history presentation.     
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on September 08, 2022, 02:23:27 PM
 :aloy


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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 08, 2022, 02:39:16 PM
Boris's statement was so much better.  BBC anchor then trips himself up by unintentionally comparing the two statements.  Then they switch to another guy who, in the same metaphor, compared the Queen to both a fish and a rock in the stream of current events :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 08, 2022, 02:47:15 PM
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1567904154500370446 (https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1567904154500370446)

https://twitter.com/Igor_from_Kyiv_/status/1567909161148600323 (https://twitter.com/Igor_from_Kyiv_/status/1567909161148600323)

Ukraine is mostly mopping up LNR/DNR troops in occupied villages and trenches and there doesn't seem to be any effort from the Russian side to either send in the air force or reinforcements.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on September 08, 2022, 03:12:30 PM
https://twitter.com/khiz_7/status/1567935280988192768
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on September 08, 2022, 04:00:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl9b0sdf91s
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 08, 2022, 04:39:42 PM
2022 be like

https://twitter.com/MalcolmNance/status/1567912518198206475 (https://twitter.com/MalcolmNance/status/1567912518198206475)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Beezy on September 08, 2022, 08:44:43 PM
https://twitter.com/rosedommu/status/1567877718582390788
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on September 09, 2022, 07:26:14 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mki6zS6hkp0

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Snoopycat_ on September 09, 2022, 07:38:19 AM
Brian May's going to be up for days shining his Gibson and ironing his leather trousers
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 09, 2022, 12:10:32 PM
https://twitter.com/BenABrittain/status/1568212570619658240 (https://twitter.com/BenABrittain/status/1568212570619658240)

A speech for the ages :salute
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on September 09, 2022, 01:49:29 PM
https://twitter.com/BobFlemming19/status/1568241505659240449

https://twitter.com/DanielGlebitz/status/1568237782505504768
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 09, 2022, 03:18:24 PM
The Russian army encircled at Izyum is on the verge of collapse.
They have 10 000 troops there

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1568310989149605888 (https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1568310989149605888)

https://twitter.com/jamesfraney/status/1568318805696303111 (https://twitter.com/jamesfraney/status/1568318805696303111)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 09, 2022, 10:33:39 PM
A lot of what I've read basically says this massive counter offensive would be pretty risky and somewhat reckless against a standard/prepared army, given that it would leave Ukrainian forces open to rear attacks. But it doesn't sound or look like the Russian forces are a standard or prepared army. They're running, there is no leadership, etc. Ugly situation for them.

And given how much trouble they had earlier this year in the snow and mud, if Ukraine and hold these gains going into the upcoming winter months it may be game over. Not to mention they seem poised to re-take Crimea.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HaughtyFrank on September 09, 2022, 10:40:29 PM
There should be so much anger at Putin for throwing their kids into this meat grinder with absolutely nothing to win. At this point casualties might be as high as 50.000
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 10, 2022, 03:22:24 AM
Quote from: HaughtyFrank on September 09, 2022, 10:40:29 PM
There should be so much anger at Putin for throwing their kids into this meat grinder with absolutely nothing to win. At this point casualties might be as high as 50.000
They are officially that high. The Russian MOD leaked a letter of the payouts to Russian families. Dividing the total sum with the amount promised for each soldier brings up the total to ~47k soldiers. But that does not include wagner mercs, foreign volunteers or DNR/LNR rebels. So it could be up to 60k.

As for the strategy, Ukraine attacked the South, made a little progress, then the russkies pulled troops from the North to help defend it leaving the area surrounding Kharkiv lightly defended. UAF casualties were significant too in the opening phase. Putin is obsessed with Crimea so this strategy was probably his call.

Putin has arrested another 5 officials who called for his removal. Problem for him is that their main argument is that he lost the war, expanded NATO and that Ukraine has more weapons and armies now than they did before the war.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Fifstar on September 10, 2022, 03:34:44 AM
Quote from: Nintex on September 10, 2022, 03:22:24 AM
Quote from: HaughtyFrank on September 09, 2022, 10:40:29 PM
There should be so much anger at Putin for throwing their kids into this meat grinder with absolutely nothing to win. At this point casualties might be as high as 50.000
They are officially that high. The Russian MOD leaked a letter of the payouts to Russian families. Dividing the total sum with the amount promised for each soldier brings up the total to ~47k soldiers. But that does not include wagner mercs, foreign volunteers or DNR/LNR rebels. So it could be up to 60k.

As for the strategy, Ukraine attacked the South, made a little progress, then the russkies pulled troops from the North to help defend it leaving the area surrounding Kharkiv lightly defended. UAF casualties were significant too in the opening phase. Putin is obsessed with Crimea so this strategy was probably his call.

Putin has arrested another 5 officials who called for his removal. Problem for him is that their main argument is that he lost the war, expanded NATO and that Ukraine has more weapons and armies now than they did before the war.

Was that document verified? Seems doubtful that they are able to confirm that number of fallen soldiers so quickly.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 10, 2022, 04:09:56 AM
It's a mundane government document where they state the total pay out and request additional budget. Still it remains Russia so difficult to verify.

https://twitter.com/mbk_center/status/1568174194243915776 (https://twitter.com/mbk_center/status/1568174194243915776)

Also the alternative take on UA's attack is that they have thrown in their reserves and have little hope of keeping the ground they've retaken. However it's hard to see where Russia would find the force for such a counter attack.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 10, 2022, 09:59:32 AM
https://twitter.com/business/status/1568599174660112385 (https://twitter.com/business/status/1568599174660112385)

The Russians are in full retreat :pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 10, 2022, 11:37:22 AM
Russians pulling out of Kharkiv and Luhansk oblasts towards Donetsk.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 10, 2022, 12:43:39 PM
Rumors that the head of Donetsk has already fled

https://twitter.com/mhmck/status/1568623664089661440 (https://twitter.com/mhmck/status/1568623664089661440)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on September 10, 2022, 01:24:20 PM
Hilarious, apparently "Penis" recorded this while running away.

https://twitter.com/dimaFromUkraine/status/1568616989337296897
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 10, 2022, 03:55:31 PM
https://twitter.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1568689196747079680 (https://twitter.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1568689196747079680)

The Z-army fled and left everything behind including heavy artillery.

about 30 - 40 heavy artillery pieces marked with a Z neatly parked in a lot.

While there are celebrations, performances and fireworks in Moscow, the Russian army could be defeated in Donetsk next.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 11, 2022, 03:50:18 AM
As Russia retreats to Donetsk the UAF sets their sights on Lugansk.

https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1568862303654936579 (https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1568862303654936579)

https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1568829868049313792 (https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1568829868049313792)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 11, 2022, 05:14:50 AM
https://twitter.com/inkliuznyk/status/1568888167364788227 (https://twitter.com/inkliuznyk/status/1568888167364788227)

https://twitter.com/Internl_Leaks/status/1568887010806616064 (https://twitter.com/Internl_Leaks/status/1568887010806616064)

Russia is providing Ukraine with entirely new tank battalions.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 11, 2022, 05:27:27 AM
The capitulation continues, the Russians have fled the border town of Kozacha Lopan in Kharkiv oblast towards Belgorod(Russia), locals have retaken the city hall, just 3 miles from the Russian border.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcXOhK-XEAEr0iU?format=jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcXS3APXEAEDtVr?format=jpg)

Even if you think the Russian orders to retreat from Kharkiv to Donetsk are strategically sound that is not what their soldiers are doing.
They are simply fleeing back to Russia leaving all their military equipment behind.

DNR and LNR seperatists however, aren't allowed entry into the Russian Federation even though they were issued Russian passports and were promised entry.

Reports coming in that the Russians are also leaving Luhansk and other cities they have occupied since 2014 which are not in the areas their military ordered them to withdraw from.
Unless there are different orders issued by now.
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1568860757537837056 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1568860757537837056)

Kadyrov says mistakes have been made by the Russian MOD(now dubbed 'Ministry of Defeat) and has pledged to send 10k troops to reconquer the Kharkiv cities and fight on to Odessa.
He says that if the Russian strategy doesn't change today or tommorow he will take it up with the leadership (Putin).
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcVWkaJXgAAA1_m?format=png)

Lukashenko sees the writing on the wall and pledges to return his ambassador to Kyiv stating:
"God knows, this quarrel was not worth it"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 11, 2022, 01:38:51 PM
Ukraine controls the border crossings now
https://twitter.com/UkrArmyBlog/status/1569000444688490496 (https://twitter.com/UkrArmyBlog/status/1569000444688490496)

https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1569007219668025345 (https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1569007219668025345)

Reports that Russia is also getting ready to leave strongholds in the Kherson region and perhaps even surrender the city.
Rumors that the Chechens and Russians have started to fight eachother in some places.

So far no breakthrough in Donetsk, UA attacked Pisky but was repelled by Russian artillery.

To buy time the Russians have just attacked the power grids and power plants of multiple eastern cities with missile strikes like Dnipro and Sumy, causing black-outs.
Side-effect, they also caused a black-out in Belgorod Russia.

https://twitter.com/newsistaan/status/1569021323980197888 (https://twitter.com/newsistaan/status/1569021323980197888)

The blame game has started
https://twitter.com/OlgaNYC1211/status/1569012074881114112 (https://twitter.com/OlgaNYC1211/status/1569012074881114112)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on September 11, 2022, 02:04:30 PM
I'm hearing rumors that the Ukrainian attack has been so successful they're marching into Poland and Austria as well
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 11, 2022, 02:11:25 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcYsGNtWAAQrTPn?format=jpg)

Unverified reports that the Commander of the Kharkiv front has been fired

https://twitter.com/dpatrikarakos/status/1569019361003974656 (https://twitter.com/dpatrikarakos/status/1569019361003974656)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HaughtyFrank on September 11, 2022, 02:56:53 PM
https://twitter.com/uasupport999/status/1568934042669838336

This foreign minister is really something else
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 11, 2022, 06:00:15 PM
The only viable strategy for Russia seems to be to give up on Luhansk, contain Ukraine on the south riverbank of the Dnipro. and continue along the black sea coast to conquer Odessa.
This would force Ukraine to halt their offensive and shore up their defenses. Kadyrovs plan is less stupid than it seems apart from the fact that he wants to go to Kharkiv first to retake what was lost and then move to Odessa.

Meanwhile in Sweden the result between the left and right wing block is very very close. It's going to be a nailbiter.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcZ_BVhXoAMl35V?format=png)

Holy fucking shit, they probably shot this guy after the show after he drags all of Putin's toadies throught he mud on national TV.

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1569070513909022720 (https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1569070513909022720)

The Russian bloggers and influencers truely have the worst ideas.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcY-wPNWIAE_QnM?format=png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 11, 2022, 10:17:02 PM
Problem with mobilization is that Russian military assets have been severely reduced over the last 6 months, whereas Ukraine continues to receive US aide (as well as abandoned Russian equipment). Raising a large amount of ethnic Russians from Moscow and equipping them with whatever barebones stuff that remains is only going to get them killed and destabilize Putin's reign.

That being said it's probably a damned if you do/damned if you don't situation. If he doesn't mobilize, the hardliners may win out and replace him (violently or otherwise). If he does mobilize it seems highly unlikely that victory is achievable, which also results in him being replaced.

A few months ago I would have said declaring victory and claiming the "special operation" was a success - with whatever small gains Russia had at the time - was the only off ramp. Now they've lost those gains and are unlikely to get them back anytime soon. So...where's the off ramp for Putin? I don't know.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on September 11, 2022, 10:28:02 PM
Is Putin aware of how dangerous Russian windows can be? I hope he's not standing in front of one any time soon...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on September 12, 2022, 06:38:07 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 11, 2022, 10:17:02 PM
Problem with mobilization is that Russian military assets have been severely reduced over the last 6 months, whereas Ukraine continues to receive US aide (as well as abandoned Russian equipment).

I've been thinking, do they even really want this? outside of knowing that having it deprives russia of what little working gear they had

saw a video of a captured russian soldier admitting that half the tanks are unable to move but can still shoot, while the other half have broken autoloaders and can't shoot but can move

feel like at some point just dealing with the scrap is going to be a massive liability for ukraine
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 12, 2022, 08:52:58 AM
Quote from: Uncle on September 12, 2022, 06:38:07 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 11, 2022, 10:17:02 PM
Problem with mobilization is that Russian military assets have been severely reduced over the last 6 months, whereas Ukraine continues to receive US aide (as well as abandoned Russian equipment).

I've been thinking, do they even really want this? outside of knowing that having it deprives russia of what little working gear they had

saw a video of a captured russian soldier admitting that half the tanks are unable to move but can still shoot, while the other half have broken autoloaders and can't shoot but can move

feel like at some point just dealing with the scrap is going to be a massive liability for ukraine

Good point. I did see vids of large groups of ammo and tank artillery, which presumably can be used. But if the vehicles are borked then they should be left alone. That explains all the vids of Russian tanks being completely stationary, in defensive positions near trees/bushes that get easily annihilated by Ukrainian artillery or drones.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on September 12, 2022, 09:24:07 AM
If Russia is losing as badly as the rumors say, they should be starting up the next round of nuke talks soon
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 12, 2022, 11:06:59 AM
18 districts calling for Putin to resign, this is huge.
https://twitter.com/WhereisRussia/status/1569260715420024835 (https://twitter.com/WhereisRussia/status/1569260715420024835)

Putin just doesn't seem to have any control over the situation anymore.
Remember how before the attack was launched each of his cronies had to vote on live TV if they supported or opposed starting the 'not-war'.
He made the head of his intelligence services shit his pants in 8 colors. 

The Putin of 5 years ago would've flown to the front himself to fire the generals on the spot.
He would've done it very publicly and made clear that the next one to fail wouldn't be so lucky to just get fired.

Currently all he can do is meander about the nuclear power plant to Macron and open a ferris wheel in Moscow while his army is being crushed.
Kadyrov is openly saying he disagrees with the leadership and the propagandists are fighting on live TV. Some of them calling for war others for unity.

Putin, after boasting that he was the new Alexander the Great is completely checked out from all this.

Maybe he got shook by the bombing of Dugina or perhaps he thinks that if he just ignores there is a problem, the problem will go away.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on September 12, 2022, 11:23:01 AM
Old Vlad is off his game because he misses his best bud  :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 12, 2022, 11:43:14 AM
Western puppet replacement please so we can have all of that tremendous gas and oil on the cheap :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HaughtyFrank on September 12, 2022, 12:06:53 PM
I guess the public can support a senseless war. What they can't support is a senseless war they're losing.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 12, 2022, 12:11:18 PM
Reports coming in that the Russians in Kherson are negotiating their surrender.

https://twitter.com/YAmzallagh/status/1569279660898529281 (https://twitter.com/YAmzallagh/status/1569279660898529281)

Quote from: HaughtyFrank on September 12, 2022, 12:06:53 PM
I guess the public can support a senseless war. What they can't support is a senseless war they're losing.
Putin did the Afghanistan speed run in like 7 months. The soldiers there don't even know why they are fighting.

Even the vague goals that the Russians have like demilitarization have no specifics. As of now Ukraine has only trained more soldiers and bought more weapons.
The exact opposite of what they intended to do.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on September 12, 2022, 01:06:41 PM
Quote from: Nintex on September 12, 2022, 12:11:18 PM
Reports coming in that the Russians in Kherson are negotiating their surrender.

"Kherson, I choose you as my first (tactical) nuke target".

 :putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on September 12, 2022, 01:11:23 PM
https://twitter.com/DougJBalloon/status/1569360189387571200
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 12, 2022, 02:13:56 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FceJSgxX0AI_pdU?format=jpg)

Funny how there is a never a far left even if they literally worship Fidel Castro and want everyone to eat bugs.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 12, 2022, 02:50:39 PM
It's the far right and the loony left :snob
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on September 12, 2022, 03:10:25 PM
What's the odds on Putin dying by falling from a first storey window?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: jorma on September 12, 2022, 03:22:17 PM
The Swedish left party is basically Swedish social democracy as it was in the 90's.

The actual current loons in Swedish politics are the greens and the "center party" (anti union people who used to be in the right wing block and are probably further to the right of SD on 90% of the issues, excluding immigration and crime)

And the left party specifically went to the election reducing their idpol sperging by 90% and this time they didn't really speak that much about the "far right" SD  - who are idpol sperging, but their actual platform is probably the least right wing of the entire right block.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 12, 2022, 03:22:56 PM
Quote from: Potato on September 12, 2022, 03:10:25 PM
What's the odds on Putin dying by falling from a first storey window?
He'll probably die of 'natural causes'.

With that said the regime is telling the population that 'total war' on Ukraine is the way out of this jam.
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1569368457602387969 (https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1569368457602387969)

Even if that satisfies her bloodlust it won't bring Russia any closer to its goal of returning Ukraine to the empire.


Quote from: jorma on September 12, 2022, 03:22:17 PM
The Swedish left party is basically Swedish social democracy as it was in the 90's.

The actual current loons in Swedish politics are the greens and the "center party" (anti union people who used to be in the right wing block and are probably further to the right of SD on 90% of the issues, excluding immigration and crime)

And the left party specifically went to the election reducing their idpol sperging by 90% and this time they didn't really speak that much about the "far right" SD  - who are idpol sperging, but their actual platform is probably the least right wing of the entire right block.
From what I've seen reported here in the Netherlands the SocDems in Sweden did a 180 turn on migration and especially integration.
The left here too was convinced that was the winning strategy.

It's funny that 10 - 20 years ago the right in Europe always accused the left of bringing in all the migrants as new voters and most of these left wing parties now mostly rely on those votes and lose when they circle back to the importance of the national identity and local culture and things like that. While on the flip side the center-right now depends on these migrants as cheap labour so they don't really do anything to secure borders and limit migration either. At the same time this gives them an excuse to curb welfare and benefits because they say that will make it less attractive for migrants to move here.

The greens are loons across Europe. I don't understand why people vote for them. A few years ago our Green Party won a bunch of local city elections and could set the energy policies.
And to 'transition' to green energy they shut down all sorts of plans for cheap and reliable energy in favor of building incinerators to burn trees.
In Germany the greens ran on an anti-war platform and now their leader as foreign minister says she doesn't care about her voters and that they should simply suck it up, accept their higher bills and the war in Ukraine must continue.
At the same time Germany barely delivers any military support to Ukraine. The US, Poland and UK are doing the heavy lifting since the start.

Oh well hopefully Sweden gets a functioning government that can reduce the crime and lawnesses in some cities.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on September 12, 2022, 04:02:01 PM
https://twitter.com/paulpowlesland/status/1569350005462564865

 :ussrcry :gbcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 12, 2022, 04:08:09 PM
I hear marxists and tankies are getting arrested all over the place and crying about it :gbcry

https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1569270901685862403 (https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1569270901685862403)

(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article25780238.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_Screen-Shot-2021-12-15-at-100050.jpg)

It's 4AM marxist, time to respect your king
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: jorma on September 12, 2022, 04:28:28 PM
Quote from: Nintex on September 12, 2022, 03:22:56 PM
Quote from: Potato on September 12, 2022, 03:10:25 PM
What's the odds on Putin dying by falling from a first storey window?
He'll probably die of 'natural causes'.

With that said the regime is telling the population that 'total war' on Ukraine is the way out of this jam.
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1569368457602387969 (https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1569368457602387969)

Even if that satisfies her bloodlust it won't bring Russia any closer to its goal of returning Ukraine to the empire.


Quote from: jorma on September 12, 2022, 03:22:17 PM
The Swedish left party is basically Swedish social democracy as it was in the 90's.

The actual current loons in Swedish politics are the greens and the "center party" (anti union people who used to be in the right wing block and are probably further to the right of SD on 90% of the issues, excluding immigration and crime)

And the left party specifically went to the election reducing their idpol sperging by 90% and this time they didn't really speak that much about the "far right" SD  - who are idpol sperging, but their actual platform is probably the least right wing of the entire right block.
From what I've seen reported here in the Netherlands the SocDems in Sweden did a 180 turn on migration and especially integration.
The left here too was convinced that was the winning strategy.

It's funny that 10 - 20 years ago the right in Europe always accused the left of bringing in all the migrants as new voters and most of these left wing parties now mostly rely on those votes and lose when they circle back to the importance of the national identity and local culture and things like that. While on the flip side the center-right now depends on these migrants as cheap labour so they don't really do anything to secure borders and limit migration either. At the same time this gives them an excuse to curb welfare and benefits because they say that will make it less attractive for migrants to move here.

The greens are loons across Europe. I don't understand why people vote for them. A few years ago our Green Party won a bunch of local city elections and could set the energy policies.
And to 'transition' to green energy they shut down all sorts of plans for cheap and reliable energy in favor of building incinerators to burn trees.
In Germany the greens ran on an anti-war platform and now their leader as foreign minister says she doesn't care about her voters and that they should simply suck it up, accept their higher bills and the war in Ukraine must continue.
At the same time Germany barely delivers any military support to Ukraine. The US, Poland and UK are doing the heavy lifting since the start.

Oh well hopefully Sweden gets a functioning government that can reduce the crime and lawnesses in some cities.

another thing is that the seats in parliament went from 175-174 to 174-175 (final results on wednesday earliest though, might change yet) so the shift in opinion wasn't exactly massive. We will most likely have another minority government for the next four years, because the liberals won't want to sit in the cabinet together with SD.

and in addition to the SD win we will now also likely have a radical islamist party with ties to erdogan and the gray wolves taking seats in the local councils in some of our worst "risk areas". Exactly what we needed to encourage integration in those neighbourhoods!  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: jorma on September 12, 2022, 05:00:20 PM
Quote from: jorma on September 12, 2022, 04:28:28 PM
Quote from: Nintex on September 12, 2022, 03:22:56 PM
Quote from: Potato on September 12, 2022, 03:10:25 PM
What's the odds on Putin dying by falling from a first storey window?
He'll probably die of 'natural causes'.

With that said the regime is telling the population that 'total war' on Ukraine is the way out of this jam.
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1569368457602387969 (https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1569368457602387969)

Even if that satisfies her bloodlust it won't bring Russia any closer to its goal of returning Ukraine to the empire.


Quote from: jorma on September 12, 2022, 03:22:17 PM
The Swedish left party is basically Swedish social democracy as it was in the 90's.

The actual current loons in Swedish politics are the greens and the "center party" (anti union people who used to be in the right wing block and are probably further to the right of SD on 90% of the issues, excluding immigration and crime)

And the left party specifically went to the election reducing their idpol sperging by 90% and this time they didn't really speak that much about the "far right" SD  - who are idpol sperging, but their actual platform is probably the least right wing of the entire right block.
From what I've seen reported here in the Netherlands the SocDems in Sweden did a 180 turn on migration and especially integration.
The left here too was convinced that was the winning strategy.

It's funny that 10 - 20 years ago the right in Europe always accused the left of bringing in all the migrants as new voters and most of these left wing parties now mostly rely on those votes and lose when they circle back to the importance of the national identity and local culture and things like that. While on the flip side the center-right now depends on these migrants as cheap labour so they don't really do anything to secure borders and limit migration either. At the same time this gives them an excuse to curb welfare and benefits because they say that will make it less attractive for migrants to move here.

The greens are loons across Europe. I don't understand why people vote for them. A few years ago our Green Party won a bunch of local city elections and could set the energy policies.
And to 'transition' to green energy they shut down all sorts of plans for cheap and reliable energy in favor of building incinerators to burn trees.
In Germany the greens ran on an anti-war platform and now their leader as foreign minister says she doesn't care about her voters and that they should simply suck it up, accept their higher bills and the war in Ukraine must continue.
At the same time Germany barely delivers any military support to Ukraine. The US, Poland and UK are doing the heavy lifting since the start.

Oh well hopefully Sweden gets a functioning government that can reduce the crime and lawnesses in some cities.

another thing is that the seats in parliament went from 175-174 to 174-175 (final results on wednesday earliest though, might change yet) so the shift in opinion wasn't exactly massive. We will most likely have another minority government for the next four years, because the liberals won't want to sit in the cabinet together with SD.

and in addition to the SD win we will now also likely have a radical islamist party with ties to erdogan and the gray wolves taking seats in the local councils in some of our worst "risk areas". Exactly what we needed to encourage integration in those neighbourhoods!  :lol

oh, another thing - the school election (mock election held in all schools to prep kids for voting) was a landslide for M and SD, that's kinda notable because previously they were called "generation greta", but the greens in the school election barely even made it past the 4% bar to get any seat at all.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 12, 2022, 06:04:18 PM
That's almost exactly what's happening here. An Erdogan party that split from the left and is eating their lunch.
And the young people are right wing also but it's also impressive how many kids the left brainwashed into thinking that they can stop the planet from being destroyed by walking around with plastic signs so their leader can fly to Davos.

I have a Syrian intern now and he was talking about his mail delivery job and how he encountered casual racism there.
Just small but very mean things like not taking over his shift or leaving a mess for him to clean up or whatever.
Every example basically involved boomers or rather people over 50 disrespecting him.

You won't get very far in life if you're a raging racist all the time but these boomers sit in entrenched positions with endless contracts and big houses giving you the climate gospel while not tipping the Pizza guy because he ain't white.
I'm convinced that we don't have a racism problem we have a boomer problem.

The "far-right" seems to realize this also because more and more what the media dubs "far-right" voices aren't white and most of their base is pretty young.
In Sweden you're just seeing a generational shift and if the left doesn't wisen up I fear they won't be around in 10 or 20 years time.
If the current trajectory holds it will be conservative muslim and 'far-right' parties in power for a long time who will block the progressives and their NGO's at every turn.


(https://ec.europa.eu/avservices/avs/files/video6/repository/prod/photo/store/store2/10/P058670-366337.jpg)

We can no longer do business with Russia but this man will not use our money to...

https://twitter.com/Armbreakingnews/status/1569449818996748289 (https://twitter.com/Armbreakingnews/status/1569449818996748289)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on September 12, 2022, 06:57:52 PM
Nintex, will you survive until the Nintendo Direct? HOLD!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 12, 2022, 07:05:49 PM
Russia is a valuable ally of Armenia  :doge

https://twitter.com/bolzhang/status/1569460482674663424 (https://twitter.com/bolzhang/status/1569460482674663424)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on September 12, 2022, 09:05:40 PM
Quote
Ivan Pechorin, 39, managing director of the Corporation for the Development of the Far East and the Arctic, reportedly fell off a boat at full speed and died Saturday near Russky Island in the Sea of Japan in Primorsky Krai, Russia, near Vladivostock, about 5,800 miles east of Moscow.

https://www.newsweek.com/putins-key-man-artic-found-dead-after-falling-overboard-1742218

:pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 13, 2022, 02:00:33 AM
https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/1569488805933219840 (https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/1569488805933219840)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on September 13, 2022, 11:56:07 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/sep/13/russia-ukraine-war-blinken-hails-significant-progress-as-ukraines-forces-reach-russian-border-in-north

Quote
In the Russian-occupied regions of the Crimea and southern Ukraine, Russian proxies, intelligence officers and military commanders have begun to evacuate and “urgently resettle their families” back into Russian territory, the defence intelligence of Ukraine’s military of defence said.

Defence intelligence officials noted that Russian nationals were “secretly trying to sell their homes and to urgently evacuate their relatives from the peninsula”.

 :point
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 13, 2022, 12:34:47 PM
https://twitter.com/CrazyItalianPol/status/1569578284567904256 (https://twitter.com/CrazyItalianPol/status/1569578284567904256)

he's back


The EU is planning to tax energy companies 33% and give that money back to us, the people.
That would be about 1250 Euro for each European citizen :money
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HaughtyFrank on September 13, 2022, 01:14:19 PM
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germanys-scholz-russias-putin-discuss-ukraine-phone-call-2022-09-13/

First time they've talked in weeks but really small on the details besides Scholz saying that Russia needs to leave the Ukraine
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 13, 2022, 01:56:20 PM
They spoke for 90 minutes apparently.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 13, 2022, 07:18:17 PM
I like the new character

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1569725148432834561 (https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1569725148432834561)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 13, 2022, 08:40:41 PM
I agree Russians are being prepared for mobilization but, assuming Putin has a shred of rationality left...he's gotta know it's a trap. Assuming Russia is unable to simply retake most of the territory they lost this month, by the time mobilization is ready to go, those areas will be too well defended. He'd be sending a bunch of Moscow kids to be blown to bits by HIMARS and artillery. And the minute it fails he gets all the blame while some dude says "I would have done it better" and then the knives come out.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 14, 2022, 07:03:28 AM
It's interesting to see the shift in their propaganda channels.

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1569810748989390850 (https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1569810748989390850)

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1569870269191229440 (https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1569870269191229440)

On the front Russia has send their Wagner PMC's to attack in the direction of Bakhmut with some success with a concentrated force on a small 20km front.

https://twitter.com/CedricMas/status/1569935980282396673 (https://twitter.com/CedricMas/status/1569935980282396673)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcfOUe-XwAYRTJs?format=jpg)

Militarily it looks like the Russians want to conquer the remainder of Donetsk and prevent Ukraine from taking Luhansk.
Once the front is 'fixed' there they achieved their objectives of liberating the DNR/LNR and they can use the area's on the black sea coast to negotiate.

The EU needs to badly step up their supply of vehicles (but Germany is blocking again) so Ukraine can keep up the momentum of the counter offensive.
I think Bakhmut will fall to the Russians soon but Ukraine will make a push for it so both sides will likely clash at Slovyansk.
Luhansk, Donetsk and Mariupol will be very difficult to retake for Ukraine. I would say impossible with military force unless the Russians evacuate those areas like they did in Kharkiv to prevent heavy losses and encirclement.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on September 14, 2022, 07:38:02 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Ujjoo5U.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 14, 2022, 01:39:31 PM
https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/1570031569431105543 (https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/1570031569431105543)

The Empire is collapsing


https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1570103737049391106 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1570103737049391106)

It's official
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 14, 2022, 04:46:56 PM
Important development in the South, Ukraine claims to have taken a town just 10km from Kherson airport

https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1570108219963441152 (https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1570108219963441152)

If this is the case than they are close to taking Kherson city itself.


Wagner is apparently recruiting in prison camps. This is some fucked up shit
https://twitter.com/kozako01/status/1570153293480960006 (https://twitter.com/kozako01/status/1570153293480960006)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 14, 2022, 06:10:28 PM
Lukashenka is making another goodwill gesture, chopping wood so Europe won't freeze.
He sees the writing on the wall.

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1570026036800225280 (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1570026036800225280)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 15, 2022, 12:26:15 PM
https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1570417540513558533 (https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1570417540513558533)

As Putin meets with Xi and other (Central) Asian leaders the regime at home is trying to figure out a solution.
It seems they've settled on a lack of manpower and now everyone has their own ideas of how to fix this.

- Solovyov proposes that Russia forms a coalition with the likes of Venezuela, North Korea and Cuba to fight Ukraine together
- Kadyrov proposes that each Russian region fields a 1000 volunteers, thus raising an army of 85 000
- Wagner is arming convicts with tanks and artillery
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on September 15, 2022, 02:13:01 PM
Can someone from the monarchy explain?

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1570146903798546433
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 15, 2022, 02:19:03 PM
Flag shaggers :stahp

Let's just say some people and authorities are relishing being able become unhinged and revel in the grief for a few weeks
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on September 15, 2022, 03:33:16 PM
The most sincere mourning is forced mourning  :brain
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on September 15, 2022, 03:35:16 PM
The fact that the bore wasnt taken down during the mourning period is insulting and you can bet your ass Im reporting this to the royal guard
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 15, 2022, 06:19:00 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fcuc_5eXgA0zLQW?format=jpg)

 :playa
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on September 16, 2022, 03:13:08 AM
Notice how the elites don't drink their wine or eat their food.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on September 16, 2022, 03:15:56 AM
I'm not a cultured elite, what's the deal with that giant wineglass on the near table?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 16, 2022, 03:43:24 AM
https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1570672604037648384 (https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1570672604037648384)

Putin literally sending his criminals, rapists, drug dealers and I assume some good people

https://twitter.com/SaadAbedine/status/1570634002889048072 (https://twitter.com/SaadAbedine/status/1570634002889048072)
Y tho
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on September 16, 2022, 06:08:05 AM
https://twitter.com/unusual_whales/status/1570647344047337472
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HaughtyFrank on September 16, 2022, 08:43:44 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 16, 2022, 03:15:56 AM
I'm not a cultured elite, what's the deal with that giant wineglass on the near table?

That's of course the pee jar
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 16, 2022, 09:46:49 AM
Quote from: Propagandhim on September 16, 2022, 06:08:05 AM
https://twitter.com/unusual_whales/status/1570647344047337472
Hitler sheds a small tear in the afterlife
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on September 16, 2022, 11:10:25 AM
Mass Grave Site With 440 Bodies Found in Izium
(NYT)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 16, 2022, 01:30:40 PM
Quote from: Occam on September 16, 2022, 11:10:25 AM
Mass Grave Site With 440 Bodies Found in Izium
(NYT)
Yeah the shit they're finding is bleak. Torture chambers, mass graves. The Russians pretty much implement the same fucked up 'security policies' as they do in their own country.
Putin says that the slow pace is because of contractors but they will continue regardless.

https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1570808994377396224 (https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1570808994377396224)

https://twitter.com/IranIntl_En/status/1570816303681753088 (https://twitter.com/IranIntl_En/status/1570816303681753088)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 16, 2022, 05:22:48 PM
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1570863462443778048 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1570863462443778048)

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1570846486912729091 (https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1570846486912729091)

Putin can act like his nose bleeds but the fact is that his empire is falling apart at the borders and there's little he can do to stop it.

On state TV they can't stop talking about the one black guy that's bombing their sorry ass with artillery :mynicca

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1570835842255704064 (https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1570835842255704064)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on September 17, 2022, 12:16:48 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/HRWright/status/1571087456375828484
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: tiesto on September 17, 2022, 12:51:20 PM
Quote from: Nintex on September 15, 2022, 06:19:00 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fcuc_5eXgA0zLQW?format=jpg)

 :playa

I bet the food there is on another level. :drool
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: jorma on September 17, 2022, 01:10:04 PM
Quote from: tiesto on September 17, 2022, 12:51:20 PM
Quote from: Nintex on September 15, 2022, 06:19:00 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fcuc_5eXgA0zLQW?format=jpg)

 :playa

I bet the food there is on another level. :drool

it's very spicy though, over 10.000 on a schofield geiger scale  :putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 18, 2022, 06:28:59 AM
https://twitter.com/Andrew__Roth/status/1571417971247185925 (https://twitter.com/Andrew__Roth/status/1571417971247185925)

Interesting report on what's going on in Belgorod.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 18, 2022, 01:01:42 PM
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1571517645777956875 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1571517645777956875)

Ukraine has crossed the Oskil, now the road to Luhansk oblast is open.


Meanwhile, a big geopolitical clusterfuck is unfolding in Armenia.
Their ally Russia did not send aid as promised when Azerbaijan attacked. So Pelosi came to town and offered American support instead.
https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/1571515468426477569 (https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/1571515468426477569)

However just last month the EU signed a big partnership treaty with Azerbaijan for gas deliveries so they remain neutral and Turkey is Azerbaijan's most important ally.
Israel is also an important ally of Azerbaijan.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BrokenVerses on September 18, 2022, 05:23:09 PM
I am really curious as to what Russia thinks their way forward from here is.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 18, 2022, 05:24:14 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fc8RqhGX0AUuEye?format=jpg)

 :maf
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on September 18, 2022, 05:24:34 PM
Quote from: BrokenVerses on September 18, 2022, 05:23:09 PM
I am really curious as to what Russia thinks their way forward from here is.
Historically the answer is "throw more bodies at it" until they can't.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on September 18, 2022, 05:55:03 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 18, 2022, 05:24:34 PM
Quote from: BrokenVerses on September 18, 2022, 05:23:09 PM
I am really curious as to what Russia thinks their way forward from here is.
Historically the answer is "throw more bodies at it" until they can't.
Throw more bodies until a revolution happens has also been a popular choice.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 18, 2022, 06:06:35 PM
The Russians have a few moves they can make but what they need most is time. The general idea seems to be to increase attacks on critical infrastructure like the US did when it invaded Iraq.
Bombing power plants, the water supply and food storages would cripple Ukraine faster than hitting military targets.

For the Russians the key is to hold off the Ukrainian attacks until winter and hope that it is a very cold winter. Ukraine mostly depends on military aid from the US, UK and Poland to fight this war.
China won't get involved in a war that Russia is clearly losing but Xi might decide to put pressure on NATO with other means and supply the Russians with additional military support if he thinks they can win.

Both sides won't be able to keep up this rate of losses for very long.
For Ukraine the best bet is to cut off Russian supply, which they have been doing quite succesfully so far by blowing up bridges, trucks and railroads.
The Russians have already shown that they aren't exactly 'fighting to the last man' in this war or at least not anymore. If the situation is critical they will evacuate or retreat.
Their hold on the coast and the south is still very strong though.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on September 19, 2022, 09:17:39 AM
https://twitter.com/lesiavasylenko/status/1571771612319342594
https://twitter.com/maria_avdv/status/1571759828883619841

If this is true, wow.  These people are playing with fire. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on September 19, 2022, 10:31:25 AM
https://twitter.com/SpillerOfTea/status/1571850200418865156

 :lol :lol  :auscry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on September 19, 2022, 12:45:28 PM
Quote from: Nintex on September 16, 2022, 01:30:40 PM
Quote from: Occam on September 16, 2022, 11:10:25 AM
Mass Grave Site With 440 Bodies Found in Izium
(NYT)
Yeah the shit they're finding is bleak. Torture chambers, mass graves. The Russians pretty much implement the same fucked up 'security policies' as they do in their own country.
Putin says that the slow pace is because of contractors but they will continue regardless.

You can't denazify a country without breaking a few hundred nazi eggs.

 :putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on September 19, 2022, 04:15:04 PM
Legendary Russian pop star Alla Pugacheva condemns the invasion of Ukraine, saying it is making Russia a 'pariah'
https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-star-alla-pugacheva-slams-ukraine-war-putin-foreign-agent-2022-9

I wonder if many people in Russia are going to hear about this, though, considering instagram is banned there.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on September 19, 2022, 04:22:23 PM
What's Russian for fifth storey window?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 19, 2022, 05:59:55 PM
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1571965051216580609 (https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1571965051216580609)

The LNR wants Russia to hold a referendum so they are officially part of Russia but the forces fighting there aren't so keen on the idea.
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1571967417546579970 (https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1571967417546579970)

Igor Girkin openly predicts that Putin will be killed
https://twitter.com/jason_corcoran/status/1571594311862747136 (https://twitter.com/jason_corcoran/status/1571594311862747136)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2022, 12:12:55 AM
https://twitter.com/mathaiaus/status/1571612919682695168
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on September 20, 2022, 11:00:30 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62967084

Quote
The UK is weighing up whether to attend a new European political "club of nations" next month.

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 20, 2022, 12:04:24 PM
https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1572222923846344708 (https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1572222923846344708)

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1572181315054706691 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1572181315054706691)

Russia is organizing a referendum this week for the Donbass and other occupied lands to become part of Russia.
The Duma has passed laws for the concepts of martial law and general mobilization.

Rumors in Russia that as soon as tonight mobilization will start
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1572253458245505026 (https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1572253458245505026)

Putin to speak soon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pZDCfBVbSc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pZDCfBVbSc)

https://twitter.com/WhereisRussia/status/1572275477565284353 (https://twitter.com/WhereisRussia/status/1572275477565284353)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 20, 2022, 02:06:05 PM
https://twitter.com/XSovietNews/status/1572285669107728390 (https://twitter.com/XSovietNews/status/1572285669107728390)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 20, 2022, 03:33:27 PM
https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1572304399778648064 (https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1572304399778648064)

Putin's speech is postponed until tommorow.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on September 20, 2022, 03:44:16 PM
Looks like the radical left have cancelled and silenced Putin WOW
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 20, 2022, 05:29:21 PM
https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1572283371434156033 (https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1572283371434156033)

https://twitter.com/WhereisRussia/status/1572319552477843458 (https://twitter.com/WhereisRussia/status/1572319552477843458)

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1572334618879090689 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1572334618879090689)

It's all falling apart
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 20, 2022, 05:35:52 PM
Tommorow

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1572315558460411904 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1572315558460411904)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 20, 2022, 09:29:23 PM
Speech delay is weird, dunno what to make of it. My view on mobilization hasn't changed though. A flurry of untrained prisoners and older men rushing into HIMAR/artillery/fire isn't going to stop Ukraine. And I'm not even sure Russia has the capacity to arm all these guys...or give them proper winter gear.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on September 21, 2022, 02:42:53 AM
Partial mobilisation announced (reservists):

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-62970683
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on September 21, 2022, 02:50:00 AM
A cornered rat attacks.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 21, 2022, 03:35:37 AM
- Putin supports referendums
- Calls up 300k reservists
- increases military production
- Threatens with nuclear weapons

Unsure what Ukraine can do about those referendums but this is not like Crimea at all. Russia doesn't fully control these areas that they plan to annex.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 21, 2022, 01:28:52 PM
People are coming out in support of Putin.
They want him to personally lead the troops.

https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1572625388265938944 (https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1572625388265938944)

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1572621878874996736 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1572621878874996736)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on September 21, 2022, 01:32:18 PM
Another oopsie in Russia
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The former head of the Moscow Aviation Institute has died after falling down "several flights of stairs," the institute reported Wednesday.

Scientist Anatoly Gerashchenko, 72, "fell from a great height," according to the university, which described his death in the Russian capital as an accident.

https://www.newsweek.com/putin-ally-dies-falling-down-stairs-day-russia-mobilization-1744944

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 21, 2022, 01:49:49 PM
I see a lot of western takes on this. "You can't mobilize 300k so fast and properly train and feed them etc."

As if Putin isn't capable of sending them all over the hill with a bottle of Vodka and a Mosin Nagant rifle.
Trainloads of these conscripts will arrive at the front within days, thrown into the meatgrinder.

Ukraine will find it more difficult to put a PR spin on machine gunning hundreds or even thousands of helpless Russians every day and their ammo will run out faster too.
Putin's idea is clearly: if I can't have Ukraine, no one can.

And Ukraine knows it.
https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1572633866669805568 (https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1572633866669805568)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 21, 2022, 01:54:32 PM
Bad moves all around. Partial mobilization leaves Putin venerable to hardliners who will say the inevitable failure of this is because it wasn't a large enough mobilization. And annexation land Russia barely or doesn't control only sets them up for more embarrassment, not to mention makes any potential peace negotiation harder. There's no way Ukraine will accept annexation. To the contrary they seem to think they can retake Crimea lol.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 21, 2022, 01:58:00 PM
I think this is a wider change in the rules of engagement.

Putin has put nukes on the table. i.e. once the areas are officially 'russian' he may use nukes to defend them.
With that said, that's not the first weapon he'll reach for but there's things like carpet bombing in his toolbox too.

Those 300k are just the first wave. No one is leaving. It's total war.

Quote
Russian airlines have stopped selling tickets to Russian men aged 18 to 65 unless they can provide evidence of approval to travel from the Ministry of Defense.
https://twitter.com/airlivenet/status/1572558745942786048 (https://twitter.com/airlivenet/status/1572558745942786048)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on September 21, 2022, 02:01:46 PM
Nintex youre back on nuke watch you have my dm let me know if you see any clouds
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 21, 2022, 02:02:03 PM
Guessing Putin doesn't give a shit that once the war is done and dusted there will probably be decades of terrorism on Russian soil :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 21, 2022, 02:09:35 PM
Quote from: Nintex on September 21, 2022, 01:49:49 PM
I see a lot of western takes on this. "You can't mobilize 300k so fast and properly train and feed them etc."

As if Putin isn't capable of sending them all over the hill with a bottle of Vodka and a Mosin Nagant rifle.
Trainloads of these conscripts will arrive at the front within days, thrown into the meatgrinder.

Ukraine will find it more difficult to put a PR spin on machine gunning hundreds or even thousands of helpless Russians every day and their ammo will run out faster too.
Putin's idea is clearly: if I can't have Ukraine, no one can.

And Ukraine knows it.
https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1572633866669805568 (https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1572633866669805568)
Are you arguing there will be a PR issue with Ukraine killing Russian soldiers on the battlefield, or are you suggesting Russians (and their socialist/communist/leftist/right wing/etc supporters in the US) will be making these arguments? That's a pretty laughable suggestion IMO.

Nor will Ukraine run out of weapons as long as the US keeps sending shit. I see no indication that lethal aide will end anytime soon. Flip side does Russia have the vehicles and ammo they need? Begging North Korea for weapons doesn't present confidence...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 21, 2022, 02:46:29 PM
Quote
Are you arguing there will be a PR issue with Ukraine killing Russian soldiers on the battlefield, or are you suggesting Russians (and their socialist/communist/leftist/right wing/etc supporters in the US) will be making these arguments? That's a pretty laughable suggestion IMO.
A bit of both. I vividly remember the shift in perception for the Iraq war after it wasn't just planes and missiles bombing tanks and palaces but actual street fighting with people (mostly looters) lying dead in the streets.
The images of scores of dead Russians will shift the perception of this war, especially in Russia itself but also in EU countries like Germany and Italy that prefer a diplomatic settlement with Russia over all out war.

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Nor will Ukraine run out of weapons as long as the US keeps sending shit. I see no indication that lethal aide will end anytime soon. Flip side does Russia have the vehicles and ammo they need? Begging North Korea for weapons doesn't present confidence...
Ukraine will use much more ammo against a larger Russian force. The US supplies Ukraine with specialized lethal aide but it's already having trouble to supply enough AK 47 ammo and other Soviet-style ordinance that he Ukrainian army and especially the territorial defense forces are mostly familiar with. Some European countries have already signaled that they're out of stockpiles to send. More is being produced and Ukrainian forces are being trained to use new weapon systems but it will take time to reach the front lines.

Russia may find it difficult to field enough vehicles and tanks after they suffered heavy losses but they aren't short on rifles and grenades to hand-out to conscripts. Getting the stuff to the front lines is really the big difficulty for both sides as they've become experts in targetting each others ammo dumps.

Quote from: Pissy F Benny on September 21, 2022, 02:02:03 PM
Guessing Putin doesn't give a shit that once the war is done and dusted there will probably be decades of terrorism on Russian soil :thinking
Putin's realizes that his own survival hinges on "winning" this war. Which is why he will not end it, nor give up.

His supporters know that without Putin they're all dog food for revolutionaries or ultra-nationalists.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 21, 2022, 02:51:21 PM
I'm kind of surprised that we've not heard anything about the Oligarchs moving against him, or at least intrigued about whats going on there, I doubt the likes of Roman Abramovich (4 billy down from having to sell chelsea fc and supposedly getting no money from it) are delighted at being billions of Ł out of pocket from this war.

Its all fun and games when Putin was doing his strongman dick waving and was still part of the international community, but now he's cut off and its fucking with their money now...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on September 21, 2022, 03:25:49 PM
Quote from: Pissy F Benny on September 21, 2022, 02:51:21 PM
I'm kind of surprised that we've not heard anything about the Oligarchs moving against him, or at least intrigued about whats going on there, I doubt the likes of Roman Abramovich (4 billy down from having to sell chelsea fc and supposedly getting no money from it) are delighted at being billions of Ł out of pocket from this war.

Its all fun and games when Putin was doing his strongman dick waving and was still part of the international community, but now he's cut off and its fucking with their money now...
My understanding is that Putin is the King Oligarch, much like in China if you move against the state your assets become worthless.

IIRC, this was something Putin learned in his first term and while Medvedev was in, others constrained his power too much, so when he came back he ensured things would be different.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on September 21, 2022, 04:16:04 PM
https://twitter.com/PATH_Guy/status/1572679795993092097
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 21, 2022, 04:38:14 PM
Putin's latest move has broken what remained of the 'pact' between the Kremlin and the middle class though.
Which was basically that as long people would be lifted from poverty and could enjoy the spoils of the west (travel/products/movies etc.), they would accept Putin's one party rule.
There would not be "random reprisals" like during the time of Stalin and no lawlessness like the Yeltsin days Putin would offer stability and order. It would all be based on laws and regulations as long as you didn't challenge the state politically.
The oligarchs were simply persuaded to join forces with Putin's regime, they would have to pay their taxes and follow the law yes but they could also count on the protection and help from the state to take out the competition.

Xi's China works different there are no second chances or ways to 'join' the party. Either you are in or out and if you're out, you lose everything, end up in a labour camp or worse. In Xi's China these reprisals can also be completely random.

Putin is more than an oligarch, he has multiple roles.
1. President of the Russian Federation (political leader, the representative on the world stage for all the Russian regions)
2. Protector of the Russian people (leader of the Russian people even outside of Russia's borders)
3. Spiritual leader of the 'Kievan Rus' and third rome (basically the religious leader and emperor)

Putin is more or less an institution, a pillar of government in many different ways. When Medvedev was in power it was already clear that Putin was still pulling the strings.
However when he returned to office he became more and more entrenched in his role as 'emperor'. Merkel already found this so alarming that she simply called Putin so he would hear other opinions than what the Kremlin would feed him.

It is quite unclear if all the things Putin is doing now are his own machinations or if he's simply acting on events like an emperor would based on what is presented to him by Shoigu and his other pawns.
This was basically Macron's take on the situation that Putin was being misled by those around him in order to hide their own failures. He believes that Putin has fallen victim to the culture of misinformation, confusion and deceit he himself created.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on September 21, 2022, 04:51:32 PM
https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/1572630639655927815

Only one airline seems to be servicing

(https://imgur.com/tHw4piT.jpg)

(https://imgur.com/o17om1n.jpg)

(https://imgur.com/kPSzj6n.jpg)

(https://imgur.com/sqPGKsw.jpg)


Putin will be deposed before he even gets close to seriously touching a nuclear option. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 21, 2022, 05:00:40 PM
If Russia had no issue arming troops they wouldn't be begging North Korea for weapons...

Ukraine will be fine on that front. I'd also argue equipment demand will be different in this situation vs Feb/March 2022. Their artillery situation, plus HIMARS, has significantly improved. Air situation has improved. Bad situation to be in for an invading force whose vehicle support has been significantly reduced.

Don't think the dead bodies matter. We've had 6 months of full blown tank snuff videos on display across social media. Nor do I expect Russia or Ukraine to broadcast a lot of post-battle dead bodies. The only real sympathy Russia is getting is coming from extremists - from the left and right here.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on September 21, 2022, 05:17:20 PM
At least 1,252 people are detained in protests across Russia.

"Protesters across Russia took to the streets to show their disapproval of the “partial mobilization” policy announced by President Vladimir V. Putin on Wednesday morning that would press 300,000 into military service. At least 1,252 people from 38 cities were detained, according to OVD-Info, a human rights watchdog that monitors police activity.

In Moscow, hundreds of protesters gathered on the Old Arbat, a well-known pedestrian street in central Moscow. They screamed “Send Putin to the trenches!” and “Let our children live!” Footage showed riot police dragging people away.

In Tomsk, a woman holding a sign that said “Hug me if you are also scared” smiled serenely as she was dragged away from a small protest by three police officers. In Novosibirsk, a man with a ponytail was taken away after he told police officers, “I don’t want to die for Putin and for you.”

Protest is effectively criminalized in Russia, where before this week almost 16,500 people had been detained for antiwar activity, according to OVD-Info — including the simple act of an individual standing in a public place holding a blank piece of paper."

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/09/21/world/russia-ukraine-war-putin#at-least-525-people-are-detained-in-protests-across-russia
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 21, 2022, 05:24:23 PM
What is underestimated that just like with COVID there's a whole bunch of people who have trained and waited for this moment their entire lives and feel that this is their moment.

https://twitter.com/MadhawTiwari/status/1572645005889765378 (https://twitter.com/MadhawTiwari/status/1572645005889765378)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on September 21, 2022, 05:32:44 PM
Russian state tv
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1572442692109344770
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1572087951416336385
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 21, 2022, 05:42:54 PM
This patriot wins a quick ticket to Wagners penal unit :salute

https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1572645141839577089 (https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1572645141839577089)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on September 21, 2022, 05:47:22 PM
Quote from: Nintex on September 21, 2022, 01:49:49 PM
I see a lot of western takes on this. "You can't mobilize 300k so fast and properly train and feed them etc."

As if Putin isn't capable of sending them all over the hill with a bottle of Vodka and a Mosin Nagant rifle.
Trainloads of these conscripts will arrive at the front within days, thrown into the meatgrinder.

Ukraine will find it more difficult to put a PR spin on machine gunning hundreds or even thousands of helpless Russians every day and their ammo will run out faster too.
Putin's idea is clearly: if I can't have Ukraine, no one can.

And Ukraine knows it.
https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1572633866669805568 (https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1572633866669805568)
Experience says you only need one rifle between two soldiers.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on September 21, 2022, 05:49:44 PM
Quote from: Pissy F Benny on September 21, 2022, 02:02:03 PM
Guessing Putin doesn't give a shit that once the war is done and dusted there will probably be decades of terrorism on Russian soil :thinking
It'll be mainly confined to the new buffer states so he doesn't care
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on September 21, 2022, 05:50:04 PM
Quote from: Occam on September 21, 2022, 05:32:44 PM
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1572087951416336385
If they're all at the funeral then using a nuke is just a little bit of overkill.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 21, 2022, 05:51:30 PM
It's a "bring your own gun and pants" kind of army

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1572681274111963136 (https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1572681274111963136)

This is just cruel
https://twitter.com/evangershkovich/status/1572688378604421120 (https://twitter.com/evangershkovich/status/1572688378604421120)

Go die in the war you are protesting against
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 21, 2022, 06:45:14 PM
https://twitter.com/FortuneMagazine/status/1572718070065516544 (https://twitter.com/FortuneMagazine/status/1572718070065516544)

 :gbcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on September 21, 2022, 08:47:43 PM
Support the People of Iran
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on September 21, 2022, 09:11:50 PM
https://twitter.com/navyhato/status/1572029695457366018
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on September 21, 2022, 09:40:56 PM
Quote from: Himu on September 21, 2022, 08:47:43 PM
Nintendo General Discussion |OT| Support the People of Iran

Fixed
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on September 21, 2022, 09:42:17 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 21, 2022, 09:11:50 PM
https://twitter.com/navyhato/status/1572029695457366018

 :brain
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on September 21, 2022, 11:15:43 PM
Quote from: Propagandhim on September 21, 2022, 09:42:17 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 21, 2022, 09:11:50 PM
https://twitter.com/navyhato/status/1572029695457366018

 :brain
This is your brain...this is your brain when you conveniently forget that Russia invaded another sovereign nation on the pre-text of "denazification"...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 22, 2022, 03:43:44 AM
By monday Ukraine is the invader of Russian lands the twitter poll referendum says so. Who can possibly resist the great benefits of Russian citizenship.

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1572825644551245825 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1572825644551245825)
:juche
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on September 22, 2022, 04:24:30 AM
BTW, foxnews.com doesn't even mention Russia's partial mobilization. Just like they didn't mention Ukraine liberating occupied territory and cities.

Reminds me of that study from a few years ago which found that Fox News viewers are actually less informed about what is actually going on nationally and internationally than people who don't consume news at all.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2022, 12:49:32 PM
Quote from: Occam on September 22, 2022, 04:24:30 AM
BTW, foxnews.com doesn't even mention Russia's partial mobilization. Just like they didn't mention Ukraine liberating occupied territory and cities.

Reminds me of that study from a few years ago which found that Fox News viewers are actually less informed about what is actually going on nationally and internationally than people who don't consume news at all.
They also have Tucker on air in primetime claiming Putin is winning the war. That was during the Ukrainian counter offensive too.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2022, 01:25:14 PM
https://twitter.com/SpecialMemeOp/status/1572729914142654465

yea....
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on September 22, 2022, 01:31:49 PM
Hahaha!

https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/09/21/navalnys-team-phones-son-of-kremlin-spokesman-peskov-inviting-him-to-come-to-conscription-office-he-refused-citing-political-nuances-news

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Nizovtsev introduced himself as a military commissar.

The reporter told Nikolay Peskov that he should have received a call-up paper and asked him whether Nikolay would come to the conscription office tomorrow at 10 a.m.

“Naturally, I won’t come at 10 a.m. tomorrow. If you know that I am Mr. Peskov, you should understand that it is not quite right for me to be there. I will be resolving this matter on a different level,” Nikolay Peskov said.

Seems the son of the Kremlin spokesman doesn't want to fight in Ukraine.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on September 22, 2022, 01:53:32 PM
Yet another brilliant idea from the geniuses in Moskow.

https://twitter.com/BarentsNews/status/1572895441569697792
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on September 22, 2022, 02:04:07 PM
https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1572947574016933888

:rofl
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 22, 2022, 02:39:36 PM
https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1572924327405707264 (https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1572924327405707264)

Thankfully not all slaves listen to their masters.


https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1572969458112544770 (https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1572969458112544770)

https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1572881804360572928 (https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1572881804360572928)

These guys are probably shipped straight to the front lines. Absolute insanity.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 22, 2022, 02:47:19 PM
Dutch public broadcasting channel announces a Referendum for Russia to join the Netherlands :dead

https://twitter.com/henkvaness/status/1572790646011740160 (https://twitter.com/henkvaness/status/1572790646011740160)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 22, 2022, 05:43:55 PM
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1573058637383471104 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1573058637383471104)

https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1573000111680004098 (https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1573000111680004098)

https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1572961832222031873 (https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1572961832222031873)

Apparently the decree allows for 1 million to be mobilized not 300k.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 23, 2022, 08:07:22 AM
They are actually, seriously fucking doing this, in the year of our lord 2022

https://twitter.com/andreibc/status/1572905068168609793 (https://twitter.com/andreibc/status/1572905068168609793)

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1573247081904578562 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1573247081904578562)

Time to vote  :ussrcry
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdVU7lcWIAAzuM_?format=jpg)


In multiple videos of both enlisted and commanders shouting at them it's now confirmed that the Russian conscripts will receive 2 weeks of training before they head for the front.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 23, 2022, 11:27:21 AM
Operation human shield :nothing
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on September 23, 2022, 11:30:27 AM
Is it confirmed they're actually going to the field with those bolt-action Mosin-Nagant rifles or were they just equipped for marksman training with that gun?  I know we're all well aware they don't have the money for equipment, but it can't possibly be that bad?  That's insane.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 23, 2022, 12:17:39 PM
Quote from: Propagandhim on September 23, 2022, 11:30:27 AM
Is it confirmed they're actually going to the field with those bolt-action Mosin-Nagant rifles or were they just equipped for marksman training with that gun?  I know we're all well aware they don't have the money for equipment, but it can't possibly be that bad?  That's insane.
Some of them will. In some barracks they don't even seem to have beds, just bed frames.
People as old as 63 have been drafted, in the far East entire villages have been emptied out as well as universities, mines and colleges, with only women and children remaining behind.

If this was any other country you would expect that these units would mostly serve as the rearguard and in support roles (cooks, drivers, policing, engineers, builders etc.) to free up regular soldiers for fighting roles but the Russian Empire clearly intends to send these units to the front lines so they can become 'men' and 'learn on the job'. The military strategy is probably to overwhelm the Ukrainian defenders by attacking with large numbers across the 1000km front just as the Soviets did in WW2 against Germany.
Like the Wehrmacht Ukraine doesn't have the manpower to hold the line everywhere. The newly arrived Russian troops won't have much in terms of winter gear and the supply situation in the occupied region isn't optimal so they will be forced to attack quickly.
However, Russia can't mass mobilize like they could in WW2. These units will arrive at the front in small platoon sized groups not in divisions or battalions.

I don't think they will send them out far though, this is probably to force Ukraine out of Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and the other regions they're holding referendums in.
Once they've achieved this 'victory' and Ukraine is unable to take back those regions, planning for renewed offensives on Kyiv and Odessa will begin.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HaughtyFrank on September 23, 2022, 01:56:01 PM
https://twitter.com/Reevellp/status/1573272879655010306

Everyone seems aware how the Russian military is a complete shit show. Poor bastards
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 23, 2022, 05:00:20 PM
Ok crazy ass rumor circulating but these are crazy ass times.
 
- Military column in Beijing
- Many flights cancelled
- Xi Jinping is under house arrest
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on September 23, 2022, 05:11:34 PM
Wrong thread Nintex
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on September 23, 2022, 05:15:51 PM
I checked in with my sources at flight aware dot com and air traffic is normal
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 23, 2022, 06:39:57 PM
https://twitter.com/EllenJeanAbare/status/1573353779445243905 (https://twitter.com/EllenJeanAbare/status/1573353779445243905)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on September 23, 2022, 07:58:54 PM
Quote from: Nintex on September 23, 2022, 05:00:20 PM
Ok crazy ass rumor circulating but these are crazy ass times.
 
- Military column in Beijing
- Many flights cancelled
- Xi Jinping is under house arrest

this is why putin launched his attack when he did

behind the scenes he has allies in the chinese military, and under advisement that their coup was forthcoming, he moved forward knowing that eventually he would have the full support of china on his side as well

it's easy to sanction russia, but the combined might of russia and china will mean that the rest of the world dares not intervene in the area under threat of nuclear devastation

russia gets ukraine, china gets taiwan
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on September 23, 2022, 08:00:55 PM
https://youtube.com/shorts/KRvA-sxks50?feature=share

🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾

So proud of these Muslims :heartbeat
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on September 24, 2022, 12:55:45 AM
Which ones? The morality police cracking down on women who don't want to be murdered for choosing what to wear or the women choosing what to wear?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 24, 2022, 12:14:01 PM
https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1573662086927884288 (https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1573662086927884288)

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1573607568714473472 (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1573607568714473472)

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1573595611986886657 (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1573595611986886657)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on September 24, 2022, 12:38:20 PM
I don't understand how the Russians aren't more worried these soldiers will desert or defect. Since seasoned soldiers were deserting (and defecting sometimes) surely the civilian rate will be 10x that. At least the Ukrainians wouldn't give them weapons that look like they will explode in their hands.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 24, 2022, 05:42:27 PM
Quote from: Transhuman on September 24, 2022, 12:38:20 PM
I don't understand how the Russians aren't more worried these soldiers will desert or defect. Since seasoned soldiers were deserting (and defecting sometimes) surely the civilian rate will be 10x that. At least the Ukrainians wouldn't give them weapons that look like they will explode in their hands.
Putin signed into law that they will go to prison for 10 years if they surrender.
And of course there will be Chechens and Wagner behind the lines to shoot any deserters.

Also they simply lie to them, that much is clear from the POW interviews.

In most cases command tells them that they will go to a '2nd line' that they have to do policing or that they will drive the medics or repair the tanks.
And the next thing they know, they board a train in Belgorod, arrive in Ukraine, board their vehicles and realize that they're at the front line.
At that point there's simply no way back and under artillery fire it becomes a matter of fighting to survive.

Remember that most of the first wave back in February thought they were going to do exercises and then found themselves under fire not realizing that they had entered Ukraine.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on September 24, 2022, 08:14:21 PM
As soon as they come under fire the recruits surely start mulling over killing the ranking officer and flying the surrender flag, or retreating and taking the 10 years (assuming Putin has 10 more years in power which seems unlikely).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on September 24, 2022, 08:27:56 PM
Quote from: Nintex on September 24, 2022, 05:42:27 PM
Quote from: Transhuman on September 24, 2022, 12:38:20 PM
I don't understand how the Russians aren't more worried these soldiers will desert or defect. Since seasoned soldiers were deserting (and defecting sometimes) surely the civilian rate will be 10x that. At least the Ukrainians wouldn't give them weapons that look like they will explode in their hands.
Putin signed into law that they will go to prison for 10 years if they surrender.
And of course there will be Chechens and Wagner behind the lines to shoot any deserters.
The thing about fighting a war entirely on foreign soil is that deserting doesn't mean you have to come back. :rollsafe
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on September 25, 2022, 01:33:24 AM
Occam's Utopia Intensifies:
Quote from: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/23/technology/germany-internet-speech-arrest.html
When the police pounded the door before dawn at a home in northwest Germany, a bleary-eyed young man in his boxer shorts answered. The officers asked for his father, who was at work.

They told him that his 51-year-old father was accused of violating laws against online hate speech, insults and misinformation. He had shared an image on Facebook with an inflammatory statement about immigration falsely attributed to a German politician. “Just because someone rapes, robs or is a serious criminal is not a reason for deportation,” the fake remark said.

The police then scoured the home for about 30 minutes, seizing a laptop and tablet as evidence, prosecutors said.

At that exact moment in March, a similar scene was playing out at about 100 other homes across Germany, part of a coordinated nationwide crackdown that continues to this day. After sharing images circulating on Facebook that carried a fake statement, the perpetrators had devices confiscated and some were fined.

“We are making it clear that anyone who posts hate messages must expect the police to be at the front door afterward,” Holger Münch, the head of the Federal Criminal Police Office, said after the March raids.
Quote
The authorities in Germany argue that they are encouraging and defending free speech by providing a space where people can share opinions without fear of being attacked or abused.

“There has to be a line you cannot cross,” said Svenja Meininghaus, a state prosecutor who attended the raid of the father’s house. “There has to be consequences.”
Quote
Daniel Holznagel, a former Justice Ministry official who helped draft the internet enforcement laws passed in 2017, compared the crackdown to going after copyright violators. He said people stopped illegally downloading music and movies as much after authorities began issuing fines and legal warnings.

“You can’t prosecute everyone, but it will have a big effect if you show that prosecution is possible,” said Mr. Holznagel, who is now a judge.
Quote
No national figures exist on the total number of people charged with online speech-related crimes. But in a review of German state records, The New York Times found more than 8,500 cases. Overall, more than 1,000 people have been charged or punished since 2018, a figure many experts said is probably much higher.

Much of the daily work policing the internet falls to local teams like the one in Göttingen that is responsible for covering cases across Lower Saxony, a vast state in northern Germany. Created in 2020, the group of six lawyers and investigators is one of the most aggressive in the country. Last year, it investigated 566 internet speech-related crimes, a figure the unit expects to more than double in 2022. About 28 percent of those investigations resulted in a fine or other punishment. In one case involving a man making death threats on Telegram, the prosecutors had him committed to a psychiatric institution.

The team is stretched thin, constantly gathering evidence for prosecutions, drafting search and arrest warrants, responding to lawyers asking to have their client’s devices returned and preparing for court. Authorities in Lower Saxony raid homes up to multiple times per month, sometimes with a local television crew in tow.

Frank-Michael Laue, who started the unit after a two-decade career as a criminal prosecutor, said that stiff penalties draw attention and change behavior. He boasted of fining a well-known painter in the community the equivalent of roughly $10,000 for sharing insults about Turkish immigrants.

When people refuse to give access to their smartphones for evidence, Mr. Laue said, the device can be sent to a lab operated by the federal government that uses software that can bypass passwords. Made by a company called Cellebrite, it is the same kind of software used by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the United States.

Investigators scour social media feeds, publicly available records and government data to build cases. Swen Weiland, a software developer turned internet hate speech investigator, is in charge of unmasking people behind anonymous accounts. He hunts for clues about where a person lives and works, and connections to friends and family. After an unknown Twitter user compared Covid restrictions to the Holocaust, he used an online registry of licensed architects to help identify the culprit as a middle-aged woman.

“I try to find out what they do in their normal life,” Mr. Weiland said. “If I find where they live or their relatives then I can get the real person. The internet does not forget.”
Quote
And it was that post that eventually led to the raid of that 51-year-old father’s house in northwest Germany. The father, whose name was not shared by authorities because of Germany’s strict privacy laws, is still under investigation in Lower Saxony as police examine the contents of his devices. Even if he did not know the comment attributed to Ms. Bause was fake, he still faces punishment because “the accused bears the risk of spreading a false quote without checking it,” prosecutors said.

The father faces a fine of about 1,400 euros (about $1,378), a penalty welcomed by Ms. Bause. “That’s a warning shot that they can’t just accuse and hurt people with impunity,” she said.
Quote
Last year, Christian Endt, a journalist in Berlin whose coverage of Covid drew a steady stream of insults online, reached a breaking point. After an anonymous Twitter user had called him “stupid” and mentally ill, he embarked on a mission to see if he could get the person prosecuted.

The person’s account did not include a real name, but it had a photo on the profile page. That allowed Mr. Endt to perform an image search to see where else on the internet the image could be found. It led him to a LinkedIn page of a small-business owner. From there, he found the individual’s company website, phone number and home address.

Mr. Endt compiled his finding in a memo and sent it to the local district attorney. In December, the case landed with the online hate unit in Lower Saxony, where the culprit lived. After reviewing the evidence, they sent the man a fine worth about €1,000.

“I was not even sure if what this guy wrote was a crime or not,” Mr. Endt said. “In the end, I’m happy they did something about it and this person got a signal that there are some limits on free speech.”
Quote
Last year, Andy Grote, a city senator responsible for public safety and the police in Hamburg, broke the local social distancing rules — which he was in charge of enforcing — by hosting a small election party in a downtown bar.

After Mr. Grote later made remarks admonishing others for hosting parties during the pandemic, a Twitter user wrote: “Du bist so 1 Pimmel” (“You are such a penis”).

Three months later, six police officers raided the house of the man who had posted the insult, looking for his electronic devices.
Quote
Not long after the incident, Alexander Mai, a 26-year-old climate activist who lives in the Bavarian city of Augsburg, got into a Facebook argument with a local far-right politician named Andreas Jurca. In response to a message by Mr. Jurca criticizing Muslims, Mr. Mai posted a link to a picture of the mural.

Several weeks later, four police officers pounded on Mr. Mai’s door at 6 a.m. with a warrant to confiscate his electronics. Mr. Jurca had filed a police report claiming the link to the photo was an insult.

The police spent over an hour rummaging through his drawers and belongings before leaving with several laptops and phones.
Quote
In June, in the town of Kassel in central Germany, a 49-year-old man was on trial for comments made on Facebook that said Mr. Lübcke, the politician murdered in 2019, had “himself to blame.”

Dirk B., the defendant whose full name is being withheld because of Germany’s strict privacy laws, told a judge that the comments were taken out of context. His Facebook post, he said, had been about Mr. Lübcke’s refusal of police protection and that he had, in the same comments, expressed condolences for Mr. Lübcke’s family.

“This falls under the freedom of expression in our free democratic state,” the defendant said. He added that he would post the same thing again.

The judge disagreed. At the end of the two-hour hearing, she said he had effectively condoned Mr. Lübcke’s murder. He was ordered to pay a fine of €2,400.
:american :american :american :american
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 25, 2022, 04:11:04 AM
Happens in the Netherlands too but the accused usually leave out a few details. For example a guy said he got a police visit for tweeting to the Police "are you doing ok?". But he left out the second half of his tweet: "are you doing ok? Hacking you is very easy"

Free bus travel in moscow
https://twitter.com/Sota_Vision/status/1573701145054396417 (https://twitter.com/Sota_Vision/status/1573701145054396417)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on September 25, 2022, 04:52:35 AM
@benjipwns
So you are telling me there are consequences for publicly defaming others in Germany and you actually need to actively ensure you don't spread lies (made up quotes) online which cause damage to someone's reputation and personal freedom/safety? Meaning that someone like Trump could never rise to power there? Huh, what do you know!

By the way, the search of the home of the man who posted the "you're such a penis"-insult was deemed unlawful by a court in Hamburg last month, the criminal case was dismissed and he was not fined. A pretty relevant bit of information the NYT reporter failed to research (but I just did): https://newsrnd.com/news/2022-08-05-house-search-in-%22pimmelgate%22-affair-was-unlawful.ryGNWY35a5.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 25, 2022, 05:05:44 AM
All the made up quotes and lies about Anthony Weiner, Epstein island + Bill, Hunter, Hilldawg, Jeb!, Chris + Andrew Cuomo, Megan Markle, Bezos, Morning Joe + Mika ...

:trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: jorma on September 25, 2022, 06:26:56 AM
Quote from: Occam on September 25, 2022, 04:52:35 AM
@benjipwns
So you are telling me there are consequences for publicly defaming others in Germany and you actually need to actively ensure you don't spread lies (made up quotes) online which cause damage to someone's reputation and personal freedom/safety? Meaning that someone like Trump could never rise to power there? Huh, what do you know!

By the way, the search of the home of the man who posted the "you're such a penis"-insult was deemed unlawful by a court in Hamburg last month, the criminal case was dismissed and he was not fined. A pretty relevant bit of information the NYT reporter failed to research (but I just did): https://newsrnd.com/news/2022-08-05-house-search-in-%22pimmelgate%22-affair-was-unlawful.ryGNWY35a5.html

Sending the cops to raid the home of a citizen who called you a dick on twitter sounds suspiciously like something Trump would do all the time if he had the german anti free speech laws to back him up.  :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 25, 2022, 12:24:29 PM
https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1574048508071534592 (https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1574048508071534592)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on September 25, 2022, 12:39:32 PM
Quote from: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/23/technology/germany-internet-speech-arrest.html
He had shared an image on Facebook with an inflammatory statement about immigration falsely attributed to a German politician. “Just because someone rapes, robs or is a serious criminal is not a reason for deportation,” the fake remark said.

(https://clickhole.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/jnfzti2ky11s0cpxnnda.jpg)

Should I be jailed Occam?

(https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-760w,f_auto,q_auto:best/rockcms/2022-09/220902-donald-trump-2021-ac-1133p-5d9d2b.jpg)

“Just because someone rapes, robs or is a serious criminal is not a reason for deportation"

-Donald Trump
On his plans for life after politics

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 25, 2022, 12:40:27 PM
Quote from: Transhuman on September 25, 2022, 12:39:32 PM
Quote from: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/23/technology/germany-internet-speech-arrest.html
He had shared an image on Facebook with an inflammatory statement about immigration falsely attributed to a German politician. “Just because someone rapes, robs or is a serious criminal is not a reason for deportation,” the fake remark said.

(https://clickhole.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/jnfzti2ky11s0cpxnnda.jpg)

Should I be jailed Occam?

(https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-760w,f_auto,q_auto:best/rockcms/2022-09/220902-donald-trump-2021-ac-1133p-5d9d2b.jpg)

“Just because someone rapes, robs or is a serious criminal is not a reason for deportation"

-Donald Trump
On his plans for life after politics

Yes.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on September 25, 2022, 12:52:46 PM
Oh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on September 25, 2022, 12:59:38 PM
Quote from: jorma on September 25, 2022, 06:26:56 AM
anti free speech laws

What do you mean, anti-free speech laws? You mean laws protecting the safety and reputation of people targeted by lies and defamation?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 25, 2022, 01:04:34 PM
Quote from: Transhuman on September 25, 2022, 12:39:32 PM
Quote from: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/23/technology/germany-internet-speech-arrest.html
He had shared an image on Facebook with an inflammatory statement about immigration falsely attributed to a German politician. “Just because someone rapes, robs or is a serious criminal is not a reason for deportation,” the fake remark said.

(https://clickhole.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/jnfzti2ky11s0cpxnnda.jpg)

Should I be jailed Occam?

(https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-760w,f_auto,q_auto:best/rockcms/2022-09/220902-donald-trump-2021-ac-1133p-5d9d2b.jpg)

“Just because someone rapes, robs or is a serious criminal is not a reason for deportation"

-Donald Trump
On his plans for life after politics
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FP1XshxWUAgezjb.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: jorma on September 25, 2022, 01:11:34 PM
Quote from: Occam on September 25, 2022, 12:59:38 PM
Quote from: jorma on September 25, 2022, 06:26:56 AM
anti free speech laws

What do you mean, anti-free speech laws? You mean laws protecting the safety and reputation of people targeted by lies and defamation?

du bist so 1 pimmel, occam  :lol

But no, i did mean the german anti free speech laws, but you are free to call them whatever you want.

or are you free to call them whatever you want? not really sure. i guess if the cops raid your home and take all your electronical devices you can always rely on that you'll get them back a year later - if the german courts decides that you didn't speak out of order



Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on September 25, 2022, 01:14:39 PM
But in America there are laws against slander/libel, too.
The difference being, in the U.S. you need lots of money to enforce them and protect your rights.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on September 25, 2022, 04:21:11 PM
Quote from: Occam on September 25, 2022, 12:59:38 PM
Quote from: jorma on September 25, 2022, 06:26:56 AM
anti free speech laws

What do you mean, anti-free speech laws? You mean laws protecting the safety and reputation of people targeted by lies and defamation?

answer the question occam, should transhuman be jailed

 ???
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on September 25, 2022, 04:44:56 PM
Quote from: Occam on September 25, 2022, 01:14:39 PM
But in America there are laws against slander/libel, too.
The difference being, in the U.S. you need lots of money to enforce them and protect your rights.
Not criminal laws, certainly not used against people who don't know the speech is false and you can't easily fire up the state to harass your enemies into silence because they called you a penis online.

Quote from: Occam on September 25, 2022, 04:52:35 AM
@benjipwns
So you are telling me there are consequences for publicly defaming others in Germany and you actually need to actively ensure you don't spread lies (made up quotes) online which cause damage to someone's reputation and personal freedom/safety? Meaning that someone like Trump could never rise to power there? Huh, what do you know!
You may have noticed the way all the stories involving politicians and public figures I quoted were going. (Hint: not against them.) Combined with Trump's very litigious notions about what others can say about him in a country where he can't easily harass his enemies into silence I question why you think such laws would be stopping him.

Quote from: Uncle on September 25, 2022, 04:21:11 PM
answer the question occam, should transhuman be jailed

 ???
We did this in the prior conversation. Like many of these "progressives" he claims he doesn't want people thrown in prison he just advocates for lots of laws with the hard ever pervasive enforcement of them by the state on every minority in sight, he just doesn't want them immediately imprisoned until they fail to pay all the fines, attend all the hearings, meet all the terms, etc. so he can say it's "their fault" that the process is the punishment and he can pretend he wants law and order upheld instead of just wanting the state's violence used to silence people who speak up against power or say truthful things.

He also refused to explain why Trump couldn't have used similar laws to arrest anyone who said he lost the 2020 election. Just some handwave about that not being possible because the state only acts for good and democracy or some shit even after the corruption has snuck in due to the people being able to speak too much.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 25, 2022, 05:13:53 PM
Oh god Italy elected the crazy woman  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on September 25, 2022, 05:18:00 PM
Quote from: Nintex on September 25, 2022, 05:13:53 PM
Oh god Italy elected the crazy woman  :lol
Let's be honest...when has Italy NOT elected a crazy person?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 25, 2022, 05:27:07 PM
https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1574021987248242694 (https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1574021987248242694)

All these bitches think they're Oprah  :pacspit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on September 25, 2022, 05:40:58 PM
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1573697685181415430

I don't think they liked their sovereignty and democratic institutions being denied and interfered with by some German EU woman.  Communication matters.  This really pissed a lot of people off.  Meloni is an imbecile that blames everything on migrants; a huge midwit especially compared to Draghi...but "fascism" is a word that means something in Italy.  And it doesn't mean "right wing".  People over there have a distaste for being told they're fascists if they're voting in earnest, open, democratic elections, let alone being threatened economically for it by foreigners from northern europe in an economy where they can't pay their gas bills.  Vaffanculo. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 25, 2022, 06:10:21 PM
Unfortunately for the Italian right, the EU has to approve their budget.
They'll just send Italy into another economic tail spin so they're back at the ballot box within 12 months or another banker gets appointed by the bureaucrats.

Only countries like Poland and Hungary have any sort of leverage but not for the right reasons.

There is no way to stop the current woke/climate/open-borders/privatization/monetary reset train.
After Trump and Brexit they're simply rushing towards their goal of creating a neo-liberal corporate hellscape for the greater good.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on September 25, 2022, 06:17:21 PM
There's a good chance they could leave.  It's been downhill for them since 2008 and they're probably asking themselves, "How much worse can it be?"  Maybe open up a competing trade bloc with England  :derp. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on September 25, 2022, 06:35:58 PM
Quote from: Propagandhim on September 25, 2022, 05:40:58 PM
twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1573697685181415430

I don't think they liked their sovereignty and democratic institutions being denied and interfered with by some German EU woman.  Communication matters.  This really pissed a lot of people off.  Meloni is an imbecile that blames everything on migrants; a huge midwit especially compared to Draghi...but "fascism" is a word that means something in Italy.  And it doesn't mean "right wing".  People over there have a distaste for being told they're fascists if they're voting in earnest, open, democratic elections, let alone being threatened economically for it by foreigners from northern europe in an economy where they can't pay their gas bills.  Vaffanculo.
All I see is the EU trying to protect democracy from too much free speech in Italy.

Talk shit Elect fascists and fuck around, get hit and find out. :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 25, 2022, 06:41:03 PM
The brits weren't in the Eurozone, they didn't owe the EU a whole lot of money and they already carved out all sorts of exemptions. They could 'decouple' from the EU.

The Greeks wanted to leave and options were explored like the Russians backing a Greek currency. But Putin either balked or couldn't afford it.
Varoufakis gave the PM the choice. He could head to the central bank with a hacker to take back control of their money from the ECB or he could resign as finance minister and Greece would remain in the Eurozone.
In the end the PM choose the latter and the EU demolished the 'Lazy Greeks' with 'reforms'.

Germany's position is less strong today than it was back then but Italy owes the EU a whole lot of money that would be impossible to pay back with their own currency.
Their best bet is probably to put the neuro/seuro or national Euro back on the table. The first idea is basically to split the Euro in 2 currencies, one for the north and one for the south.
The second is to allow countries to use the Euro for international trade and a seperate currency for domestic trade and basic necessities.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on September 25, 2022, 06:52:37 PM
Quote from: Nintex on September 25, 2022, 06:41:03 PM
The brits weren't in the Eurozone, they didn't owe the EU a whole lot of money and they already carved out all sorts of exemptions. They could 'decouple' from the EU.

The Greeks wanted to leave and options were explored like the Russians backing a Greek currency. But Putin either balked or couldn't afford it.
Varoufakis gave the PM the choice. He could head to the central bank with a hacker to take back control of their money from the ECB or he could resign as finance minister and Greece would remain in the Eurozone.
In the end the PM choose the latter and the EU demolished the 'Lazy Greeks' with 'reforms'.

Germany's position is less strong today than it was back then but Italy owes the EU a whole lot of money that would be impossible to pay back with their own currency.
Their best bet is probably to put the neuro/seuro or national Euro back on the table. The first idea is basically to split the Euro in 2 currencies, one for the north and one for the south.
The second is to allow countries to use the Euro for international trade and a seperate currency for domestic trade and basic necessities.

That debt grew 100% in 10 years.   In real terms, the country’s national income is almost exactly where it was 15 years ago.  The ECB is determined to bring inflation back to its 2% target and soaring energy costs probably will push Italy into another recession.     Imagine that Italy’s average debt costs are only 3% (that's being very charitable), and its trend growth rate is 1%. If inflation was back down to 2%, they would have to run a primary budget surplus – before interest payments.      Draghi had a detailed plan to do this and run a primary deficit until 2025, and it seemed to make sense -- Meloni doesn't have any such plan, nor does she probably even understand the situation -- she has no credibility or experience.   If growth remains low and interest rates rise, investors will balk out, things could crash hard, the EU could refuse to buy Italian debt if Meloni is doing too much ratchet shit with migrants.  Real bad situation.

That 2-part currency idea has always appealed to me, fwiw.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on September 25, 2022, 07:04:31 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2022/09/giorgia-meloni-italy-election-fascism-mussolini/671515/

Quote
Italy never underwent a process equivalent to Germany’s de-Nazification after World War II. At the start of the Cold War, the Allies wanted to block Western Europe’s largest Communist party from power. They took a minimalist approach to purges of fascists and other punitive measures that could cause social unrest in Italy.

 :neogaf

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 25, 2022, 07:17:33 PM
I agree with what you deleted.

In any case, the EU is headed for a big crisis soon anyway.
Germany is supposed to be the production power house and currently they aren't producing shit and factories are being shutdown left and right because of high energy costs.
Small businesses are absolutely decimated by energy bills across the Eurozone. And all this is happening even before winter has started.

Meanwhile Von der Leyen and Timmermans are just spending money that should be saved for a rainy day on whatever 'current thing' they can find.
I can't think of a single market that isn't in complete shambles right now.

The whole ponzi scheme is crashing hard
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcvmPbJXgAUrjGD?format=jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BisMarckie on September 25, 2022, 08:11:33 PM
Quote from: Propagandhim on September 25, 2022, 07:04:31 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2022/09/giorgia-meloni-italy-election-fascism-mussolini/671515/

Quote
Italy never underwent a process equivalent to Germany’s de-Nazification after World War II. At the start of the Cold War, the Allies wanted to block Western Europe’s largest Communist party from power. They took a minimalist approach to purges of fascists and other punitive measures that could cause social unrest in Italy.

 :neogaf

I love the denazification thing getting infinitely repeated as if it were true. Denazification was a sham and did almost nothing.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on September 25, 2022, 08:34:07 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on September 25, 2022, 08:11:33 PM
I love the denazification thing getting infinitely repeated as if it were true. Denazification was a sham and did almost nothing.
Uh, pretty sure they all got hung dude. Anti-fascists don't accept "just following orders" excuses. :ufup
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on September 25, 2022, 09:00:12 PM
Having not paid attention to the Italy election I'm taken aback by how the media is describing the new elected PM as a fascist. All I've seen so far is a conservative party that prides itself on being Christian and Italian which doesn't exactly equate with being fascist. Yet sites like Reuters are saying:

Quote
Meloni, 45, plays down her party's post-fascist roots and portrays it as a mainstream conservative group. She has pledged to support Western policy on Ukraine and not take undue risks with the third largest economy in the euro zone.

without explaining once in the article what fascist roots she has and we are supposed to take them at face value. The news media truly is dog shit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on September 25, 2022, 09:24:59 PM
Quote from: Himu on September 25, 2022, 09:00:12 PM
Having not paid attention to the Italy election I'm taken aback by how the media is describing the new elected PM as a fascist. All I've seen so far is a conservative party that prides itself on being Christian and Italian which doesn't exactly equate with being fascist. Yet sites like Reuters are saying:

Quote
Meloni, 45, plays down her party's post-fascist roots and portrays it as a mainstream conservative group. She has pledged to support Western policy on Ukraine and not take undue risks with the third largest economy in the euro zone.

without explaining once in the article what fascist roots she has and we are supposed to take them at face value. The news media truly is dog shit.
What they mean is she used to be a member of a party (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Alliance_(Italy)) that was the successor to a party (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Social_Movement) that included members who were members of the Fascists before the war. They have obviously moderated (as shown by their electoral success the other day), but they're still considered far-right because there are only two kinds of political parties according to the English language media: mildly center-left (aka "right-wing" in an "European context") and far-right.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on September 25, 2022, 09:56:55 PM
https://twitter.com/EMPosts/status/1573271403268300801

 :yikes

Can we not? "Human rights" are a bourgeoisie concept that have no place after actual people's revolutions. :ufup
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on September 25, 2022, 11:19:50 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 25, 2022, 09:24:59 PM
Quote from: Himu on September 25, 2022, 09:00:12 PM
Having not paid attention to the Italy election I'm taken aback by how the media is describing the new elected PM as a fascist. All I've seen so far is a conservative party that prides itself on being Christian and Italian which doesn't exactly equate with being fascist. Yet sites like Reuters are saying:

Quote
Meloni, 45, plays down her party's post-fascist roots and portrays it as a mainstream conservative group. She has pledged to support Western policy on Ukraine and not take undue risks with the third largest economy in the euro zone.

without explaining once in the article what fascist roots she has and we are supposed to take them at face value. The news media truly is dog shit.
What they mean is she used to be a member of a party (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Alliance_(Italy)) that was the successor to a party (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Social_Movement) that included members who were members of the Fascists before the war. They have obviously moderated (as shown by their electoral success the other day), but they're still considered far-right because there are only two kinds of political parties according to the English language media: mildly center-left (aka "right-wing" in an "European context") and far-right.

So they're not REALLY fascist. I saw an AP report just openly call her fascist for prioritizing the following things: family, God, country. It was laughable. Literally that was it and the comments were like LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE GOING, WORLD.

What does fascist even mean anymore?

It's impossible to not see the liberal media's agenda.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on September 26, 2022, 01:25:55 AM
To a voter "Family" means anti-gay, "God" means anti-secularism, and "Country" means anti-immigration, you have to be pretty hyperopic to miss that.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on September 26, 2022, 07:22:18 AM
https://twitter.com/PoliticsMoments/status/1574346982105223174

PM Corbyn would've been lit tbh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 26, 2022, 09:54:15 AM
Quote from: Uncle on September 23, 2022, 07:58:54 PM
Quote from: Nintex on September 23, 2022, 05:00:20 PM
Ok crazy ass rumor circulating but these are crazy ass times.
 
- Military column in Beijing
- Many flights cancelled
- Xi Jinping is under house arrest

this is why putin launched his attack when he did

behind the scenes he has allies in the chinese military, and under advisement that their coup was forthcoming, he moved forward knowing that eventually he would have the full support of china on his side as well

it's easy to sanction russia, but the combined might of russia and china will mean that the rest of the world dares not intervene in the area under threat of nuclear devastation

russia gets ukraine, china gets taiwan
(https://i.imgur.com/v4vGKtx.png)
So yea...lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on September 26, 2022, 12:31:12 PM
Quote from: Himu on September 25, 2022, 11:19:50 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 25, 2022, 09:24:59 PM
Quote from: Himu on September 25, 2022, 09:00:12 PM
Having not paid attention to the Italy election I'm taken aback by how the media is describing the new elected PM as a fascist. All I've seen so far is a conservative party that prides itself on being Christian and Italian which doesn't exactly equate with being fascist. Yet sites like Reuters are saying:

Quote
Meloni, 45, plays down her party's post-fascist roots and portrays it as a mainstream conservative group. She has pledged to support Western policy on Ukraine and not take undue risks with the third largest economy in the euro zone.

without explaining once in the article what fascist roots she has and we are supposed to take them at face value. The news media truly is dog shit.
What they mean is she used to be a member of a party (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Alliance_(Italy)) that was the successor to a party (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Social_Movement) that included members who were members of the Fascists before the war. They have obviously moderated (as shown by their electoral success the other day), but they're still considered far-right because there are only two kinds of political parties according to the English language media: mildly center-left (aka "right-wing" in an "European context") and far-right.

So they're not REALLY fascist. I saw an AP report just openly call her fascist for prioritizing the following things: family, God, country. It was laughable. Literally that was it and the comments were like LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE GOING, WORLD.

What does fascist even mean anymore?

It's impossible to not see the liberal media's agenda.

It's like every other progressive maneuver:  They only want freedom of speech when it's their speech.  They only want democracy when their guy wins the election.   They throw around the word 'fascism' - a word that needs no equivocation and is very explicitly understood from the prospectus it derived from.  They just use the word to throw slime in the face of their opponents.  It's cynical.  These people are disgusting freaks.  I would never have voted for Meloni if I were still in Italy -- she's likely going to make the economy even worse, and doesn't hold a candle to the expertise, credability, intelligence, and pragmatism of Draghi -- but don't run interference in free peoples' open, democratic elections.  Let them determine and bear the impact of the choices they make.    Sovereign people have the independent right to choose the direction of their own country.  I'm getting tired of these people.   

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*reflexively posts the "Paradox of Tolerance" comic to refute my defense of fascism*  :smug
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 26, 2022, 01:00:31 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdmIunOXkAIzT2p?format=png)

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1574289788802400256 (https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1574289788802400256)


Also FSB organized a false flag with a "Nazi" shooting up a school.  :cry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 26, 2022, 01:23:38 PM
Is this where we pretend the Brothers Of Italy are not a modern branch of MSI, or that Italty's new PM is not a loud defender of Viktor Orban (an undeniable autocrat), or that she has palled around with clear cut fascist Steve Bannon? I've seen multiple articles stating she has fascist ties. That is indisputably true whether you like it or not.

I don't think she's a fascist given that she has spoken out against much of her previous party's ideology in years since, among other things. For instance she's not exactly an anti-EU candidate demanding alliances be destroyed, and she has fully supported Ukraine - contrary to many in her party.

Does some of her rhetoric mirror basic fascist appeals? Sure. I don't see how anyone could argue that she's not a populist nationalist, or that she's not summoning boogeymen and moral decadence, or that she's not offering a vague return to a better mythic past. But I haven't seen or read anything to suggest she's an actual fascist in terms of government, I haven't heard anything about her locking up gay people etc.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on September 26, 2022, 01:26:37 PM
Quote from: Nintex on September 26, 2022, 01:00:31 PM
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1574289788802400256 (https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1574289788802400256)
.

I was going to say earlier, i'm surprised more of these recruiters don't get killed point blank by someone with a gun, or the door-knockers doing the sham referendum. Sure you probably die a few seconds later, but it's a pretty good few seconds.

Quote
It isn't clear whether Zinin had been summoned as part of Putin's partial mobilization decree. The local Telegram channel ASTRA said it had contacted the alleged shooter's mother, Marina Zinina, who reportedly said that her son didn't receive a summons himself, but that his best friend had been called up to fight in Ukraine.

Don't fuck with best friends
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on September 26, 2022, 01:34:32 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 26, 2022, 01:23:38 PM
Is this where we pretend the Brothers Of Italy are not a modern branch of MSI, or that Italty's new PM is not a loud defender of Viktor Orban (an undeniable autocrat), or that she has palled around with clear cut fascist Steve Bannon? I've seen multiple articles stating she has fascist ties. That is indisputably true whether you like it or not.

I don't think she's a fascist given that she has spoken out against much of her previous party's ideology in years since, among other things. For instance she's not exactly an anti-EU candidate demanding alliances be destroyed, and she has fully supported Ukraine - contrary to many in her party.

Does some of her rhetoric mirror basic fascist appeals? Sure. I don't see how anyone could argue that she's not a populist nationalist, or that she's not summoning boogeymen and moral decadence, or that she's not offering a vague return to a better mythic past. But I haven't seen or read anything to suggest she's an actual fascist in terms of government, I haven't heard anything about her locking up gay people etc.

 
Yeah, she's shit.  That isn't the point, though.  Nothing about her party functions at all like a state of fascism -- it's the same old right wing cultural protectionism since time immemorial.  They're not for changing the government into fascist features and repressing democracy.    Nothing ought to supersede a nation's right to consider their own interests and determine their own destiny via open democratic elections, unless they're threatening force on someone else.   Your conception of what you consider moral may not be moral for the peoples of another nation.  I'm vegan, I think the factory farming industry is disgusting and brutal and inflicts a devastation on the environment.  Why can't I just leverage what I see as an obvious moral truth -- the breeding and torturing of animals in an endless cycle of brutality on another nation, if I believe that nation is being too involved in the factory farming industry?   Why can't I and people like me interfere in their elections if they voted in a party that subsidizes the meat and dairy industry?   They're engaging in something that's so obviously immoral and destructive -- why can't we just throw a wrench in their elections and influence them into the correct side of history?  After all, in 100 years when lab-grown meat is affordable, we're going to look back and be horrified at how unethical we were with the conditions of stockyards and factory farms, so why not just speed things up and set their democracy on a righteous and correct detour?    If Meloni is terrible like I think she is, then that terribleness will come to fruition and express itself one way or another -- but you can't remove the rights of free people to vote for her by threat.  And FWIW, why are East Asian states immune to the same criticism of fascism when they promote the exact same shit?  Who the hell is calling South Korea a fascist state when they're Meloni on steroids?  Who is threatening to go in and influence their elections?  Don't they know they have a huge demographic decline, and we know how to solve it?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 26, 2022, 01:44:27 PM
The liberals just don't do any soul searching.

They should figure out why people like the message of owning their own home, plot of land and having a family.
As supposed to whatever the liberals are selling right now, which boils down to doomsday warnings, war and everything is a subscription service.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on September 26, 2022, 02:39:56 PM
Quote from: Transhuman on September 26, 2022, 01:25:55 AM
To a voter "Family" means anti-gay, "God" means anti-secularism, and "Country" means anti-immigration, you have to be pretty hyperopic to miss that.

Nah, not really and none of that still equates to fascism?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on September 26, 2022, 02:48:06 PM
Quote from: Propagandhim on September 26, 2022, 01:34:32 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 26, 2022, 01:23:38 PM
Is this where we pretend the Brothers Of Italy are not a modern branch of MSI, or that Italty's new PM is not a loud defender of Viktor Orban (an undeniable autocrat), or that she has palled around with clear cut fascist Steve Bannon? I've seen multiple articles stating she has fascist ties. That is indisputably true whether you like it or not.

I don't think she's a fascist given that she has spoken out against much of her previous party's ideology in years since, among other things. For instance she's not exactly an anti-EU candidate demanding alliances be destroyed, and she has fully supported Ukraine - contrary to many in her party.

Does some of her rhetoric mirror basic fascist appeals? Sure. I don't see how anyone could argue that she's not a populist nationalist, or that she's not summoning boogeymen and moral decadence, or that she's not offering a vague return to a better mythic past. But I haven't seen or read anything to suggest she's an actual fascist in terms of government, I haven't heard anything about her locking up gay people etc.

 
Yeah, she's shit.  That isn't the point, though.  Nothing about her party functions at all like a state of fascism -- it's the same old right wing cultural protectionism since time immemorial.  They're not for changing the government into fascist features and repressing democracy.    Nothing ought to supersede a nation's right to consider their own interests and determine their own destiny via open democratic elections, unless they're threatening force on someone else.   Your conception of what you consider moral may not be moral for the peoples of another nation.  I'm vegan, I think the factory farming industry is disgusting and brutal and inflicts a devastation on the environment.  Why can't I just leverage what I see as an obvious moral truth -- the breeding and torturing of animals in an endless cycle of brutality on another nation, if I believe that nation is being too involved in the factory farming industry?   Why can't I and people like me interfere in their elections if they voted in a party that subsidizes the meat and dairy industry?   They're engaging in something that's so obviously immoral and destructive -- why can't we just throw a wrench in their elections and influence them into the correct side of history?  After all, in 100 years when lab-grown meat is affordable, we're going to look back and be horrified at how unethical we were with the conditions of stockyards and factory farms, so why not just speed things up and set their democracy on a righteous and correct detour?    If Meloni is terrible like I think she is, then that terribleness will come to fruition and express itself one way or another -- but you can't remove the rights of free people to vote for her by threat.  And FWIW, why are East Asian states immune to the same criticism of fascism when they promote the exact same shit?  Who the hell is calling South Korea a fascist state when they're Meloni on steroids?  Who is threatening to go in and influence their elections?  Don't they know they have a huge demographic decline, and we know how to solve it?

Japan is famous for being insular. They have people that harass Korea immigrants. They have a conservative government by our standards. No one accuses modern Japan of fascism despite it having roots in it through Emperor Hirohito. It's bizarre and I'm tired of liberals and leftists calling anything they don't like fascism while also suggesting that they alone should control all the pillars of society, which is far more similar to fascism in behavior and conduct. It's just sickening and tiring and imo just helps the right grow because everyone has been hearing the new rise of fascism since. Trump and that was almost ten years ago yet none of the people accused of being fascist have yet to show any real signs of it and the wheels kept churning from the old system - the complete opposite of fascist government.

It's honestly more evidence in the poverty of thought that it liberalism and progressivism which is precisely why conservatives keep winning around the world. Thank God.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 26, 2022, 03:29:25 PM
Right wingers do the same with the terms socialist and communist ;)

Socialist/communist and facist/nazi basically mean person/policy on the other side of the political spectrum that I dont like now on the internet :elon
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on September 26, 2022, 03:36:14 PM
Quote from: Nintex on September 26, 2022, 01:44:27 PM
The liberals just don't do any soul searching.

They should figure out why people like the message of owning their own home, plot of land and having a family.
As supposed to whatever the liberals are selling right now, which boils down to doomsday warnings, war and everything is a subscription service.

You don't like living in a perma apartment?

Quote from: Pissy F Benny on September 26, 2022, 03:29:25 PM
Right wingers do the same with the terms socialist and communist ;)

Socialist/communist and facist/nazi basically mean person/policy on the other side of the political spectrum that I dont like now on the internet :elon

True and by calling people like Obama socialists the right helped legitimize socialism. By dumbing down the word it helps the real thing come to light and now almost ten years after Obama left the WH progressives practically run all of cultures highest places. So maybe the conservatives weren't entirely wrong all along.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 26, 2022, 03:44:16 PM
Quote from: Propagandhim on September 26, 2022, 01:34:32 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 26, 2022, 01:23:38 PM
Is this where we pretend the Brothers Of Italy are not a modern branch of MSI, or that Italty's new PM is not a loud defender of Viktor Orban (an undeniable autocrat), or that she has palled around with clear cut fascist Steve Bannon? I've seen multiple articles stating she has fascist ties. That is indisputably true whether you like it or not.

I don't think she's a fascist given that she has spoken out against much of her previous party's ideology in years since, among other things. For instance she's not exactly an anti-EU candidate demanding alliances be destroyed, and she has fully supported Ukraine - contrary to many in her party.

Does some of her rhetoric mirror basic fascist appeals? Sure. I don't see how anyone could argue that she's not a populist nationalist, or that she's not summoning boogeymen and moral decadence, or that she's not offering a vague return to a better mythic past. But I haven't seen or read anything to suggest she's an actual fascist in terms of government, I haven't heard anything about her locking up gay people etc.

 
Yeah, she's shit.  That isn't the point, though.  Nothing about her party functions at all like a state of fascism -- it's the same old right wing cultural protectionism since time immemorial.  They're not for changing the government into fascist features and repressing democracy.    Nothing ought to supersede a nation's right to consider their own interests and determine their own destiny via open democratic elections, unless they're threatening force on someone else.   Your conception of what you consider moral may not be moral for the peoples of another nation.  I'm vegan, I think the factory farming industry is disgusting and brutal and inflicts a devastation on the environment.  Why can't I just leverage what I see as an obvious moral truth -- the breeding and torturing of animals in an endless cycle of brutality on another nation, if I believe that nation is being too involved in the factory farming industry?   Why can't I and people like me interfere in their elections if they voted in a party that subsidizes the meat and dairy industry?   They're engaging in something that's so obviously immoral and destructive -- why can't we just throw a wrench in their elections and influence them into the correct side of history?  After all, in 100 years when lab-grown meat is affordable, we're going to look back and be horrified at how unethical we were with the conditions of stockyards and factory farms, so why not just speed things up and set their democracy on a righteous and correct detour?    If Meloni is terrible like I think she is, then that terribleness will come to fruition and express itself one way or another -- but you can't remove the rights of free people to vote for her by threat.  And FWIW, why are East Asian states immune to the same criticism of fascism when they promote the exact same shit?  Who the hell is calling South Korea a fascist state when they're Meloni on steroids?  Who is threatening to go in and influence their elections?  Don't they know they have a huge demographic decline, and we know how to solve it?
I stated I don't believe she's a fascist nor is she implementing a fascist state.

I'm not going to engage on veganism hypotheticals or the supposed cruelty towards animals. I'm solely focused on human rights, which is not a relative issue where we determine "well some countries say you have rights and other countries say you don't" and that's fine. I haven't seen anything about her locking gay people or Muslims up like I said. My point is simply that her moral indignation and illusions of moral decay are a basic tenant of fascism, alongside the hyper nationalist populism and the mythic appeal to returning to a past normalcy that (likely) never existed. Make Italy Great Again. That's fascism 101, by any basic historical or political theory measure.

Again I don't think she's a fascist and there's zero evidence she's installing a fascist government. It sounds like she barely has enough support to put much of anything together, and may not be PM for long.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on September 26, 2022, 03:54:40 PM
 
Quote
It sounds like she barely has enough support to put much of anything together, and may not be PM for long.


 (https://i.imgur.com/2Buad7p.jpeg)

Yep.  Italy’s debt levels don’t allow her much room for anything.  As nintex mentioned -- the reality is, the country can’t really afford yield getting out of control affecting its borrowing cost if she steps out of line.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 26, 2022, 04:15:49 PM
Quote from: Propagandhim on September 26, 2022, 03:54:40 PM

Quote
It sounds like she barely has enough support to put much of anything together, and may not be PM for long.


 (https://i.imgur.com/2Buad7p.jpeg)

Yep.  Italy’s debt levels don’t allow her much room for anything.  As nintex mentioned -- the reality is, the country can’t really afford yield getting out of control affecting its borrowing cost if she steps out of line.

She's gonna fail IMO. Same with Truss in the UK. I work in finance and I've never heard a world leader getting shat on by businesses and investors like this. She's terrible, and is gonna fuck around and get Labour swept into office.

World falling apart while we carry on. Dismantling Russia and watching the incoming China implosion. Feels good man.  :doge 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 26, 2022, 04:38:15 PM
With all empires the periphery collapses first. In Russia's case, the former Soviet Republics still under Putins sway, the far east and Ukraine.
Usually we only see Moscow and St. Petersburg but now that the camera's are on places like Dagestan it's obvious to anyone that things are worse in Russia than we knew.
The population is morally decayed, the state barely functions and what still functions is inherently corrupt or broken.

In the case of the US it started with Afghanistan and the Middle East and now Taiwan, the UK and Europe are sliding into the abyss.
It's clear that investors are fleeing into the safety of the dollar. Not so strange considering Europe has no long term strategy for energy, trade or defense.

If the current course is maintained the US would either have to prop up Europe or cut it loose and give up their empire to save themselves.

Many seem to think that a European Federal State is the solution.
But if Germany isn't producing, the 'frugals' aren't saving, France isn't farming, Italy isn't banking, Greece has no tourism... what is left to back it?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 26, 2022, 04:47:27 PM
Another example of the state of Russia.

Bring your own 'everything'. The army can't supply literally anything except for a WW2 uniform and armor a rubber plate.

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1574476679539527680 (https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1574476679539527680)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 26, 2022, 06:17:43 PM
Russians sending their army to the borders of Georgia to prevent Russians from leaving Russia.
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1574516235739488280 (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1574516235739488280)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on September 26, 2022, 06:55:13 PM
A euro federal state :obama

Interesting.

I'm so glad to be American.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on September 26, 2022, 08:20:28 PM
Quote from: Himu on September 26, 2022, 06:55:13 PM
A euro federal state :obama

Interesting.

I'm so glad to be American.

And what do you think the United States of America are?
It really is a shame you'll never get to experience the involuntary hilarity of your posts like the rest of us do.
Keep it up :)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 26, 2022, 08:48:13 PM
Labour aren't winning fhe next UK election, the Tories and their supporters in the media have so many cards to pull and I doubt Starmer (a bit of a wet blanket) has it in him to overcome it.

The Tories ahould have been gone and should have a long time ago, but Labour find new ways to fuck up what should be a sure thing.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on September 26, 2022, 09:58:42 PM
Quote from: Pissy F Benny on September 26, 2022, 08:48:13 PM
Labour aren't winning fhe next UK election, the Tories and their supporters in the media have so many cards to pull and I doubt Starmer (a bit of a wet blanket) has it in him to overcome it.

The Tories ahould have been gone and should have a long time ago, but Labour find new ways to fuck up what should be a sure thing.
Any party that puts up Jeremy Fucking Corbin and thinks it can win is clearly way too dysfunctional to take office, even in the face of Boris Fucking Johnson. Jesus Christ, that whole was a perfect example of what would happen in the world if the Resetera denizens were to actually be empowered to make political decisions....
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on September 26, 2022, 10:51:16 PM
Quote from: Occam on September 26, 2022, 08:20:28 PM
Quote from: Himu on September 26, 2022, 06:55:13 PM
A euro federal state :obama

Interesting.

I'm so glad to be American.

And what do you think the United States of America are?
It really is a shame you'll never get to experience the involuntary hilarity of your posts like the rest of us do.
Keep it up :)

It's interesting how you inject so much of your personal interpretation into my posts as if you assume the intent of them. I said a federal EU would be interesting. I said I was glad to be American because we have our ducks in a row militarily, economic, and energy-wise even if we have our faults, which was touching on to the previous conversation. EU has so many problems America simply does not have. You should use your head to understand contextual basis in a conversation. In which the current discussion is EU's reliance on American power - for which I am happy to be American. In no part of that post did I say a federal government was bad or that American isn't a federation of states. Rather than ask what I mean, you'd look a lot less like a jerk but I think that's embedded in you. To be frank, that's frightening given your penchant for speech censorship. You would probably execute someone for saying,"you know, I like coffee" because you think that means,"tea sucks ass." Beep boop.

Anyways, a federal EU sounds really interesting. Each country could be its own state I guess? :thinking And due to Europe's history for exchanging languages it could be interesting to witness. I really how that would work and how they could even manage to pull off a United States of Europe. The fact each country has different languages is the biggest barrier. Mexico and USA have our own language - Spanish for Mexico, English for USA. Being able to combine all the European powers into one country where they all recognize each others languages would be...a large task. There would definitely be a large period where they have to adjust. :thinking

Was this attempted after WWII or was the mood too hot after that?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on September 27, 2022, 07:20:32 AM
I am sorry, I misinterpreted your post. I didn't give you the benefit of the doubt because you posted so much pretzel-brain nonsense recently my incorrect interpretation seemed like the most obvious way to read what you wrote. I actually have no strong feelings towards you.
People can't become smarter just because you tell them to. However (and maybe I'm misinterpreting you and it's all just a game to you), you come across as willfully ignorant most of the time, unwilling to broaden your horizon, unwilling to look for correlations, unwilling to follow the facts and go where they lead you, enjoying stereotypical thinking and easy (but incorrect) solutions to complex issues.
I constantly adjust and refine my outlook when I come across new information. I know confirmation bias is a basic human trait (we all have it), and I try to actively counteract its effects on me by accepting "unpleasant" facts, too instead of just ignoring them and moving on without allowing them to influence my thinking. Maybe give this a try, if you can. Note that I am not being condescending here.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 27, 2022, 10:03:41 AM
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1574593781168762880

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Maybe she's talking about Jews, guys
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on September 27, 2022, 02:28:08 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 26, 2022, 03:44:16 PM
My point is simply that her moral indignation and illusions of moral decay are a basic tenant of fascism, alongside the hyper nationalist populism and the mythic appeal to returning to a past normalcy that (likely) never existed. Make Italy Great Again. That's fascism 101, by any basic historical or political theory measure.
I agree and disagree with your posts on this. These things predate fascism, actual fascism (not "fascist" politicians, there's a difference) was not really appealing to a past but a SUPERIOR FUTURE (™ held by MovieBob) the fascist attacks on the modern liberal society were that they had weakened the once strong state but the fascists had no interest in returning to the specific governance conditions of those states only the position of strength. The fascists held many of those states to also be inherently corrupt and weakened for not moving in fascist directions but instead giving up their strength by following liberalism. At the same time, the anarcho-libertarian position is that while the fascist states lost the war, the fascists won politically as all modern politics appeal in the same ways the fascists did. It's not just Make [Z] Great Again but also the Obama campaign was equally fascist in the things it appealed to. The "Third Way" mystique never went away even after the fascists failed to figure out what it was supposed to be which leaves modern "leftists" and "rightists" both able to claim the fascists as their opposition by pointing to both rhetoric and practice of the fascists.

Someone like Viktor Orban both complicates and supports theories of fascist resurgence, there's no past of Hungary to appeal to which is why they have to falsify it to appeal to the conservatives in the coalition, the real political appeal is to a mythic Hungarian future that will avoid the failures of the past by resisting liberalism. Trump (and Obama before him) appeals in the same way, his appeal to modern American failure makes no sense if you actually listen to the specific claims but the notion appeals because you can't say "America always sucked" and have Americans listen. This disconnect fits into the original fascist states of the war period, the fascists of Italy, Spain and Germany didn't need to appeal to mythic pasts, all of those cultures had strong past states in their history, the appeal was to how those states fell to their current situation (liberalism) and how the fascists could avoid it (tbd) in the now.

We do a disservice to our liberal politics to focus our fears so much on fascism when illiberalism need not ever adhere to fascism to find traction and success.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 27, 2022, 04:53:15 PM
The referendum results have rolled in.

Donetsk Republic 98.69%
Lugansk Republic 98.42%
Kherson region 87.05%
Zhaporozhye region 93.11%

Unfortunately I can't question these election results as that makes me an enemy of democracy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on September 27, 2022, 05:00:25 PM
So why would Russia sabotage its own pipelines to Europe which are not in use? To be able to claim the U.S. did it?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 27, 2022, 05:07:14 PM
Seems that quite a few people think the US is involved somehow after Biden said they would shut it down and had ways to do so.
Which doesn't make any sense but neither would it make sense for Russia.

So the third and obvious answer is someone who had to gain from this. Russian resistance or Ukraine.

Sweden has all but confirmed that it was attacked
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1574837779481202689 (https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1574837779481202689)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on September 27, 2022, 05:33:12 PM
Quote from: Nintex on September 26, 2022, 01:00:31 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdmIunOXkAIzT2p?format=png)
https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/1574776653905010688
Quote
In the audio, published by the Guido Fawkes website shortly before Labour leader Keir Starmer gave his flagship speech at Conference, Huq says of Kwarteng, who became Britain's first black Chancellor earlier this month, that: "Superficially he is a black man.

"He went to Eton, I think, he went to a very expensive prep school, all the way through, the top schools in the country.

"If you hear him on the Today programme, you wouldn't know he is black."
:biden
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 27, 2022, 05:34:04 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 27, 2022, 02:28:08 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 26, 2022, 03:44:16 PM
My point is simply that her moral indignation and illusions of moral decay are a basic tenant of fascism, alongside the hyper nationalist populism and the mythic appeal to returning to a past normalcy that (likely) never existed. Make Italy Great Again. That's fascism 101, by any basic historical or political theory measure.
I agree and disagree with your posts on this. These things predate fascism, actual fascism (not "fascist" politicians, there's a difference) was not really appealing to a past but a SUPERIOR FUTURE (™ held by MovieBob) the fascist attacks on the modern liberal society were that they had weakened the once strong state but the fascists had no interest in returning to the specific governance conditions of those states only the position of strength. The fascists held many of those states to also be inherently corrupt and weakened for not moving in fascist directions but instead giving up their strength by following liberalism. At the same time, the anarcho-libertarian position is that while the fascist states lost the war, the fascists won politically as all modern politics appeal in the same ways the fascists did. It's not just Make [Z] Great Again but also the Obama campaign was equally fascist in the things it appealed to. The "Third Way" mystique never went away even after the fascists failed to figure out what it was supposed to be which leaves modern "leftists" and "rightists" both able to claim the fascists as their opposition by pointing to both rhetoric and practice of the fascists.

Someone like Viktor Orban both complicates and supports theories of fascist resurgence, there's no past of Hungary to appeal to which is why they have to falsify it to appeal to the conservatives in the coalition, the real political appeal is to a mythic Hungarian future that will avoid the failures of the past by resisting liberalism. Trump (and Obama before him) appeals in the same way, his appeal to modern American failure makes no sense if you actually listen to the specific claims but the notion appeals because you can't say "America always sucked" and have Americans listen. This disconnect fits into the original fascist states of the war period, the fascists of Italy, Spain and Germany didn't need to appeal to mythic pasts, all of those cultures had strong past states in their history, the appeal was to how those states fell to their current situation (liberalism) and how the fascists could avoid it (tbd) in the now.

We do a disservice to our liberal politics to focus our fears so much on fascism when illiberalism need not ever adhere to fascism to find traction and success.

You sure know a lot about fascism. Fascist.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 27, 2022, 05:39:45 PM
https://twitter.com/BloombergUK/status/1574711691522281479 (https://twitter.com/BloombergUK/status/1574711691522281479)

She's an absolute disaster, wonder what she'll wreck next week?

https://twitter.com/FirstSquawk/status/1574858031065878529 (https://twitter.com/FirstSquawk/status/1574858031065878529)

Strongest possible response? Is Frans Timmermans going to belly dance?

https://twitter.com/JeppeKofod/status/1574873967524978688 (https://twitter.com/JeppeKofod/status/1574873967524978688)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 27, 2022, 06:52:35 PM
Ukrainian forces already running into mobilized Russian conscripts.
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1574863610014228481 (https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1574863610014228481)

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1574870352248930307 (https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1574870352248930307)

A Russian complaining that he won't receive any training before going off to fight in a tank unit
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1574721960281513990 (https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1574721960281513990)

Lyman is nearly surrounded, which would be another huge blow to the Russians.
Putin is expected to give a speech on the 30th, so it looks like lots of troops will be send to Ukraine on the 29th.


Quote from: Himu on September 26, 2022, 10:51:16 PM
Was this attempted after WWII or was the mood too hot after that?
During WWII the Germans attempted to create a unified European state.
As such the idea of one European state wasn't very popular. However, all sorts of alliances popped up, such as the Benelux (Belgium, Netherlands Luxembourg) and the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC).
The ECSC was formed by West Germany, The Netherlands, France, Italy, Belgium and Luxembourg. It basically regulated Coal and Steel production and kept the distribution fair. As such none of the members could have a superior military.
This is considered the starting point of the EU.

Germany's WWII trade networks and bureaucracy also paved the way for the EU. Before the war ended the SS and German elite spend most of their time trying to preserve the economic empire. In the occupied lands their attempt was actually quite succesful. Most German industrialists kept their companies or trade relations with companies they temporarily controlled during the war. Only a few years ago it was discovered or declassified that there was a military wing of this 'shadow empire' too. Around ~200k soldiers on standby in West Germany in case the American/French/English occupation turned violent or they would fail to keep out the communists.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on September 27, 2022, 07:11:48 PM
Please let me live long enough to watch Putin get shot on national television
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on September 27, 2022, 07:30:30 PM
Quote from: Propagandhim on September 27, 2022, 07:11:48 PM
Please let me live long enough to watch Putin get shot on national television

I'm surprised no-one has tried yet tbh, considering what Putin has done to the country

https://www.youtubetrimmer.com/view/?v=umc8HmyAVps&start=698&end=708&loop=0
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 27, 2022, 07:32:39 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1574860237508644871
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on September 27, 2022, 07:32:44 PM
Quote from: Propagandhim on September 27, 2022, 07:11:48 PM
Please let me live long enough to watch Putin get shot on national television

looking forward to the death of any public figure regardless of affiliation is against EU regulation p48j.32, having been deemed "evidence of a rotten soul" and is punishable by fine or imprisonment

should the individual violating this regulation not reside in the EU at this time, they can expect justice to be meted out accordingly should they ever make landfall in a member state

your acknowledgement of this notice is appreciated, and have a nice day
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on September 27, 2022, 07:51:30 PM
Quote from: Uncle on September 27, 2022, 07:32:44 PM
Quote from: Propagandhim on September 27, 2022, 07:11:48 PM
Please let me live long enough to watch Putin get shot on national television

looking forward to the death of any public figure regardless of affiliation is against EU regulation p48j.32, having been deemed "evidence of a rotten soul" and is punishable by fine or imprisonment

should the individual violating this regulation not reside in the EU at this time, they can expect justice to be meted out accordingly should they ever make landfall in a member state

your acknowledgement of this notice is appreciated, and have a nice day

You misunderstand.  It was more a statement that I wanted to live into a ripe old age.   And I fear the greatest Russian leader to ever grace the Federation will be killed, but not before he lives a long, fruitful life of brilliant leadership.  I just hope I can live that long, too.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on September 27, 2022, 08:00:20 PM
Quote from: Propagandhim on September 27, 2022, 07:51:30 PM
And I fear the greatest Russian leader to ever grace the Federation
At the very least, he's top three easily. Nobody can dispute this.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on September 27, 2022, 08:23:08 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 27, 2022, 08:00:20 PM
Quote from: Propagandhim on September 27, 2022, 07:51:30 PM
And I fear the greatest Russian leader to ever grace the Federation
At the very least, he's top three easily. Nobody can dispute this.

https://youtu.be/ROyeJnGU_ZQ
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HardcoreRetro on September 28, 2022, 03:54:55 AM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on September 27, 2022, 07:32:39 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1574860237508644871

Dad's Army remake looking pretty good.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 28, 2022, 04:41:19 AM
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1574955415372038144 (https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1574955415372038144)

They want the oligarchs to chip in
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Tycoon Padre on September 28, 2022, 06:01:31 AM
https://twitter.com/radeksikorski/status/1574800653724966915

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1490792461979078662

Nordstream stuff is pretty bizarre. Maybe I've been infested by the Tucker brainworms but all things being equal, it does seem to make more sense for the US to have blown up something the Russians want to use as leverage, than for Russia to eliminate their own ability to do so.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 28, 2022, 06:14:08 AM
The Russians have cut off all their gas supplies through other means as well.
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1575032762322808832 (https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1575032762322808832)

Poland opened up a new pipeline yesterday for the supply of gas from Norway to Europe.
https://twitter.com/czaplinskiii/status/1574806108404961280 (https://twitter.com/czaplinskiii/status/1574806108404961280)

I'm seeing the term 'energy war' get some traction
https://twitter.com/lisaabramowicz1/status/1575062948938063872 (https://twitter.com/lisaabramowicz1/status/1575062948938063872)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 28, 2022, 06:55:11 AM
Bank of England coming to the rescue of the Pound.

https://twitter.com/BloombergUK/status/1575066990007427074 (https://twitter.com/BloombergUK/status/1575066990007427074)

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1575067536000851971 (https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1575067536000851971)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on September 28, 2022, 08:51:20 AM
Edit: won't let me embed. Never mind.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Fifstar on September 28, 2022, 08:54:43 AM
Quote from: Sman on September 28, 2022, 08:51:20 AM


https://twitter.com/R82938886/status/1574865224108220423?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1574865224108220423%7Ctwgr%5E93b09e900498de00bfa50bcc0b39237a1eeda5d1%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.peoplesrepublicofcork.com%2Fforums%2Findex.php%3Fthreads%2Frussias-unjustifiable-war-of-aggression-in-ukraine.242466%2Fpage-1151

 :lol

Thought this one was real at first, good stuff.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2022, 09:01:26 AM
Same group of propagandists who have spent most of 2022 claiming Russia wouldn't possibly attack Ukraine, Russia will win the war within days, Ukrainians are Nazis developing biolab weapons, US weapons aren't reaching Ukrainian soldiers, etc are now telling us the US bombed the pipeline. Yea ok.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2022, 09:46:07 AM
https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1574251105940377607
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2022, 10:02:10 AM
Quote from: Occam on September 27, 2022, 07:20:32 AM
I am sorry, I misinterpreted your post. I didn't give you the benefit of the doubt because you posted so much pretzel-brain nonsense recently my incorrect interpretation seemed like the most obvious way to read what you wrote. I actually have no strong feelings towards you.
People can't become smarter just because you tell them to. However (and maybe I'm misinterpreting you and it's all just a game to you), you come across as willfully ignorant most of the time, unwilling to broaden your horizon, unwilling to look for correlations, unwilling to follow the facts and go where they lead you, enjoying stereotypical thinking and easy (but incorrect) solutions to complex issues.
I constantly adjust and refine my outlook when I come across new information. I know confirmation bias is a basic human trait (we all have it), and I try to actively counteract its effects on me by accepting "unpleasant" facts, too instead of just ignoring them and moving on without allowing them to influence my thinking. Maybe give this a try, if you can. Note that I am not being condescending here.

I used to think like you and be more liberal. I have simply concluded that left are politics are "wrong" in my very binary brain. I spent a lifetime thinking and propagating progressive politics. Light switch went off and now I deny them. They often bring up problems that need resolving but I'm not convinced on the majority of their solutions, not that the right is correct about everything. I am also stubborn.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 28, 2022, 04:12:46 PM
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1575197790401007616 (https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1575197790401007616)

Now this would be crazy
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2022, 05:22:08 PM
I'd need to see that verified by another source. If true....  :lol

Seems like they should have done the referendum ages ago as a pretext for mobilization. Instead of making the pretext "we're getting our asses kicked and need more men."
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 28, 2022, 05:40:59 PM
https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1575236893008363521 (https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1575236893008363521)

Another gas pipeline
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on September 28, 2022, 06:14:08 PM
Quote from: Himu on September 28, 2022, 10:02:10 AM
Quote from: Occam on September 27, 2022, 07:20:32 AM
I am sorry, I misinterpreted your post. I didn't give you the benefit of the doubt because you posted so much pretzel-brain nonsense recently my incorrect interpretation seemed like the most obvious way to read what you wrote. I actually have no strong feelings towards you.
People can't become smarter just because you tell them to. However (and maybe I'm misinterpreting you and it's all just a game to you), you come across as willfully ignorant most of the time, unwilling to broaden your horizon, unwilling to look for correlations, unwilling to follow the facts and go where they lead you, enjoying stereotypical thinking and easy (but incorrect) solutions to complex issues.
I constantly adjust and refine my outlook when I come across new information. I know confirmation bias is a basic human trait (we all have it), and I try to actively counteract its effects on me by accepting "unpleasant" facts, too instead of just ignoring them and moving on without allowing them to influence my thinking. Maybe give this a try, if you can. Note that I am not being condescending here.

I used to think like you and be more liberal. I have simply concluded that left are politics are "wrong" in my very binary brain. I spent a lifetime thinking and propagating progressive politics. Light switch went off and now I deny them. They often bring up problems that need resolving but I'm not convinced on the majority of their solutions, not that the right is correct about everything. I am also stubborn.
The duality of theboredotcum  :miyamoto
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 28, 2022, 06:15:24 PM
https://twitter.com/BondHack/status/1575208869889835008 (https://twitter.com/BondHack/status/1575208869889835008)

Pension funds were about to go bust  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2022, 06:19:40 PM
https://twitter.com/thejb_stan/status/1575145019907915776
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on September 28, 2022, 06:26:32 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2022, 06:19:40 PM
https://twitter.com/thejb_stan/status/1575145019907915776

https://twitter.com/thejb_stan/status/1575146003531026434
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on September 28, 2022, 10:34:29 PM
stumbled across this, from what I understand it's from the canadian equivalent of fox news, so massive grain of salt:

(https://i.imgur.com/kvRnbER.jpeg)

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/first-reading-why-beijing-is-allegedly-opening-police-stations-on-canadian-soil

other sources that back up some of the claims:

https://www.tibetanreview.net/china-runs-secret-police-stations-abroad-to-hunt-down-people-coerce-their-return/
https://safeguarddefenders.com/en/blog/230000-policing-expands
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/china-opens-illegal-police-posts-across-globe/articleshow/94501965.cms
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2022/09/25/why-is-there-a-chinese-police-outpost-on-dublins-capel-street/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on September 28, 2022, 10:47:30 PM
That's "old news" in some regards, the CCP has long kept tabs on their citizens living abroad, they technically can't do much in the other countries but they are known for putting pressure on family members still in China and also grabbing you if you ever come back. They used to do this through Party cadres who would "unofficially make suggestions" but this seems to be just an officialization of what has long been practice by the CCP.

There's been a number of instances of the Chinese police showing up at family members (in China) and having them call someone living in the West making critical comments of CCP/Xi/etc. on Twitter and then telling them about all the bad things that are going to happen if they don't stop. I would assume the creation of these is so they can start doing that in person.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on September 28, 2022, 10:55:08 PM
Not that it needs to be said...again...but fuck China
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BrokenVerses on September 28, 2022, 11:26:12 PM
The same Biden administration that has been conservative (overly so some say) with the weapons it gives Ukraine out of fear of "escalation" is suddenly going balls to the wall and blowing up pipelines in the sea?

Not buying it, Tovarich.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on September 28, 2022, 11:38:47 PM
https://twitter.com/backtolife_2023/status/1575002436808298501

 :hmm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Tycoon Padre on September 29, 2022, 04:52:21 AM
https://twitter.com/thhamilton/status/1575404343230173185

Crushing it.


Quote from: Uncle on September 28, 2022, 10:34:29 PM
stumbled across this, from what I understand it's from the canadian equivalent of fox news, so massive grain of salt:

NP isn't a Fox News equivalent, more like a Canadian knockoff of the Telegraph. It's shit but generally not blatant conspiracy loon shit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 29, 2022, 06:30:27 AM
https://twitter.com/Andrew__Roth/status/1575426229230002182 (https://twitter.com/Andrew__Roth/status/1575426229230002182)

Also preparing a big rally in Moscow
https://twitter.com/irislarisa/status/1575379268367941632 (https://twitter.com/irislarisa/status/1575379268367941632)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 29, 2022, 08:07:20 AM
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1575440578854133764 (https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1575440578854133764)

She's not walking back from this. Holy shit.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 29, 2022, 10:47:17 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63071552

Nord Stream: Sweden finds new leak in Russian gas pipeline
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on September 29, 2022, 01:43:22 PM
Liz Truss is going for the Any% political party destruction speedrun record

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1575524255718166532
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 29, 2022, 02:41:30 PM
surely theres gonna be a vote of no confidence as soon as they go back to parliament :doge

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on September 29, 2022, 02:47:04 PM
https://twitter.com/alexhern/status/1575531383358906369
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 29, 2022, 04:46:22 PM
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1575550915855392768 (https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1575550915855392768)

https://twitter.com/antonioguterres/status/1575548965189214208 (https://twitter.com/antonioguterres/status/1575548965189214208)

Tommorow is going to be a shit show. I can't see Putin cancel his big annexation speech and rally.
He'll probably give Ukraine some kind of ultimatum to leave the territory of the annexed regions.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 29, 2022, 05:00:11 PM
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1575585908409016320 (https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1575585908409016320)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 29, 2022, 05:20:39 PM
Nukes = no-fly zone and the elimination of Russian military targets in Ukraine by the US Air Force. Most of their army is concentrated in Ukraine...


https://twitter.com/Mike_Eckel/status/1575578236381147138
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 29, 2022, 05:56:50 PM
https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1575539391849672704 (https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1575539391849672704)

https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1575570319104184321 (https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1575570319104184321)

https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1575601110366261248 (https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1575601110366261248)

 :dizzy
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 29, 2022, 06:11:30 PM
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1575608730699243521 (https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1575608730699243521)

The Lyman pocket has closed.
The Russkies are trapped

Quote
Tomorrow at 15:00 (12:00 GMT) in the St George Hall of the Grand Kremlin Palace a signing ceremony will be held on incorporating the new territories into Russia.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 29, 2022, 07:02:14 PM
It's certainly possible that thousands of Russian troops could surrender in Lyman tonight or tomorrow, perhaps even during Putin's speech.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on September 29, 2022, 07:12:37 PM
Putin for Liz Truss. Who says no?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on September 29, 2022, 07:15:40 PM
https://twitter.com/Hezbolsonaro/status/1575582782340075520
https://twitter.com/Hezbolsonaro/status/1575584081890643968
https://twitter.com/Hezbolsonaro/status/1575587338876755968
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 29, 2022, 07:59:16 PM
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1575635656931680256 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1575635656931680256)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 30, 2022, 03:00:10 AM
17% inflation in our beautiful kingdom :fbm

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1575747931667566592 (https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1575747931667566592)
:cruise

Russian retreating towards Lyman abandoning their positions on the outskirts.
https://twitter.com/Ukrainene/status/1575761890596122624 (https://twitter.com/Ukrainene/status/1575761890596122624)

estimates of troops trapped is between 4k - 20k.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on September 30, 2022, 05:59:20 AM
Poor bastards fighting a war they don't understand against an enemy that is better equipped and better lead.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: chronovore on September 30, 2022, 05:59:38 AM
https://youtu.be/XyKL2yNoWvM

:mindblown
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on September 30, 2022, 06:01:29 AM
Quote from: chronovore on September 30, 2022, 05:59:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyKL2yNoWvM

 :mindblown
Save America. Stop Communism.

Lol. I don't think you could have stuffed any more nonsensical stuff in that ad.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on September 30, 2022, 07:38:35 AM
Repulsive Freddy Krueger ass lookin hoe
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 30, 2022, 07:45:14 AM
https://twitter.com/Arslon_Xudosi/status/1575803652589359104 (https://twitter.com/Arslon_Xudosi/status/1575803652589359104)

https://twitter.com/RT_India_news/status/1575812375675953152 (https://twitter.com/RT_India_news/status/1575812375675953152)

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 30, 2022, 08:35:40 AM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1575826360165089281 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1575826360165089281)

Putin's speech has now moved to anti-colonialism and how the west robbed India and Africa.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 30, 2022, 08:37:37 AM
You're not letting us win it's not fair :crybaby
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 30, 2022, 08:39:56 AM
He's now talking about how the west bombed Germany in WW2 :dead

Putin blames the Nordstream explosions on the Anglo-Saxons.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 30, 2022, 08:50:34 AM
He's now moved on to the culture war and children changing gender.  :doge

Credit where credit is due, he can quote Goebbels and Jesus in the same speech.


Apparently we need to fight against experiments that are created to break the soul of people  ???

The audience started clapping thinking he was done, or would wrap up. But sorry folks, that ain't going to happen.  :lol


That's it, documents signed. As far as Russia is concerned those region in ukraine are Russian now.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on September 30, 2022, 09:24:43 AM
Quote from: Nintex on September 30, 2022, 08:39:56 AM
He's now talking about how the west bombed Germany in WW2 :dead

Putin blames the Nordstream explosions on the Anglo-Saxons.

He went back to the Opium Wars.  How do Russians put up with these impotent, whiney speeches.   
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: tiesto on September 30, 2022, 10:16:00 AM
Quote from: Propagandhim on September 30, 2022, 07:38:35 AM
Repulsive Freddy Krueger ass lookin hoe

I always thought she looked like Mrs Potato Head.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 30, 2022, 10:46:08 AM
Ukraine responds to Putin by officially applying for NATO membership

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1575851538886852609 (https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1575851538886852609)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 30, 2022, 02:48:04 PM
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1575902109223903232 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1575902109223903232)

Putin mobilizes another 120k


https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1575896933058506752 (https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1575896933058506752)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BrokenVerses on September 30, 2022, 04:21:11 PM
More meat for the grinder.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 30, 2022, 06:53:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi74gPrn24Y
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 30, 2022, 07:00:11 PM
Germany's number 1 weakness is that the Dutch have the biggest fucking gas field in the entire EU but refuse to produce more because of the soy in government.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 30, 2022, 07:12:59 PM
Unconfirmed audio of the Russians trying to escape Kreminna to the east of the Lyman pocket.
https://twitter.com/Gulli_ver_sn/status/1575960108617515008 (https://twitter.com/Gulli_ver_sn/status/1575960108617515008)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 01, 2022, 05:12:04 AM
https://twitter.com/PierreDBorrelli/status/1576103933705334784 (https://twitter.com/PierreDBorrelli/status/1576103933705334784)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 01, 2022, 06:23:50 AM
The UAF is entering Lyman :rejoice

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1576155093245693954 (https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1576155093245693954)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on October 01, 2022, 09:58:32 AM
Quote from: Nintex on October 01, 2022, 06:23:50 AM
The UAF is entering Lyman :rejoice

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1576155093245693954 (https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1576155093245693954)

You mean UAF entering Forever Russia.

 :putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HaughtyFrank on October 01, 2022, 10:39:57 AM
https://twitter.com/YWNReporter/status/1575836932722294784

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1576215418817200131

Putin is such a clown
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 01, 2022, 12:24:56 PM
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1576225937502281730 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1576225937502281730)

Apparently the "retreat" was very messy and Ukraine is afraid their soldiers might be traumatized because of the number of dead and wounded they encountered on the roads leading to and from Lyman.
Some described it as a slaughter.

https://twitter.com/TRTWorldNow/status/1576224017505296385 (https://twitter.com/TRTWorldNow/status/1576224017505296385)

Thanks to the stupidity of the boss that means nuking yourself don  :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on October 01, 2022, 02:46:54 PM
https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1576248108690079745
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 01, 2022, 05:57:50 PM
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1576045751209431040 (https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1576045751209431040)

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1576282369015033857 (https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1576282369015033857)

The Lyman situation is fucking ridiculous, everyone on Twitter had seen this coming weeks ago.
It was the most obvious move and hardly a 'surprise' attack like Kharkiv.  :doge

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1576331334317879297 (https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1576331334317879297)

the last guy has balls of steel

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeBD0nzVQAEtrQJ?format=jpg)

Ukraine has started the assualt on Kreminna. Russia's entire Donetsk front might collapse within days.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 01, 2022, 06:48:54 PM
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1576261226044084224 (https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1576261226044084224)

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1576308598333841408 (https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1576308598333841408)

Looks like the knives are out for Russia's military leadership.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 02, 2022, 08:02:05 AM
Pro-Russian coup in Burkina Faso

https://twitter.com/Henry_Wilkins/status/1576541084875862016 (https://twitter.com/Henry_Wilkins/status/1576541084875862016)

https://twitter.com/InstantReporter/status/1576530332253556737 (https://twitter.com/InstantReporter/status/1576530332253556737)

The COD larpers took control  :doge

https://twitter.com/zonkezakhe_M/status/1576095355812294662 (https://twitter.com/zonkezakhe_M/status/1576095355812294662)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 02, 2022, 11:44:27 AM
https://twitter.com/Pontifex/status/1576548300014002176 (https://twitter.com/Pontifex/status/1576548300014002176)

https://twitter.com/Pontifex/status/1576550817020006400 (https://twitter.com/Pontifex/status/1576550817020006400)

Guess the pope will organize a "referendum" in the Vatican soon?  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on October 02, 2022, 12:03:09 PM
I liked it better when the Pope was liking e-thot posts tbh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 02, 2022, 12:09:08 PM
Russian in Lyman counts his ammo during the defense.
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1576546250304139267 (https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1576546250304139267)

The Russians estimate Ukraine has a force of 12 000 strong currently moving on Kreminna
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeEWr87XEAEWtH2?format=jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeE37PrXEAAnWQI?format=jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on October 02, 2022, 03:28:23 PM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-03/putin-s-epidemic-of-murder-the-russian-millionaires-dying-to-fun/101487158 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-03/putin-s-epidemic-of-murder-the-russian-millionaires-dying-to-fun/101487158)

An 'epidemic of murder': Are Russia's millionaires dying to fund Vladimir Putin's war in Ukraine?

Quote
Russia's elite businessmen seem to have a problem.  They keep dying in more and more suspicious circumstances.

The latest was Anatoly Gerashchenko, the former head of the Moscow Aviation Institute, who died late last month after reportedly falling down a flight of stairs.

A few weeks before him Ravil Maganov, the chairman of major Russian oil company, Lukoil, died after falling out of a hospital window.

In May another top Lukoil manager, Alexander Subbotin, was found dead near Moscow after reportedly visiting a shaman.

In all there's been about 15 high profile Russian businessmen who've died in mysterious ways since the start of the year.

Most of them are officially recorded as suicides but those familiar with Russia's business world see it differently.

US businessman and campaigner against Russian human rights violations Bill Browder believes the deaths were ordered by the Kremlin.

He suspects the deaths demonstrate President Putin's desperation to fund his war in Ukraine.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 02, 2022, 05:23:47 PM
Now the lines in Kherson have collapsed too

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1576680140985143297 (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1576680140985143297)

https://twitter.com/lashachikovani/status/1576678171713638400 (https://twitter.com/lashachikovani/status/1576678171713638400)

:drudge To the Russian Army Command :drudge
The enemy is attacking in large numbers. We need air support ASAP at these coordinates 39°54′N 116°24′E
Ignore the Chinese billboards on approach, it's just misinformation from the western satanists to hide the Nazi hordes.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 02, 2022, 05:47:28 PM
Bolso got the Trump bump it's gonna be tight.

https://twitter.com/DanCancel/status/1576689637976076288 (https://twitter.com/DanCancel/status/1576689637976076288)

The polls had this at ~30% for Bolsonaro and ~60% for Lula.

Bolsonaro now at 48%, Lula at 43% with 20% in.
I'm reading mostly pro-Bolsonaro regions have been counted.

Exit poll has it at 36% for Bolso and 51% for Lula.

At 70% in Lula finally takes the lead but it looks we're headed for a run off.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on October 03, 2022, 02:59:47 AM
I haven't been paying attention, I assume Bolsonaro came out with a big push against the liberal truckers Lula wants to empower in the final days.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 03, 2022, 06:04:08 AM
https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1576827031194865664 (https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1576827031194865664)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 03, 2022, 08:11:31 AM
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1576907416276377601 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1576907416276377601)

 :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2022, 10:28:46 AM
Quote from: Nintex on October 03, 2022, 06:04:08 AM
https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1576827031194865664 (https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1576827031194865664)

Another near economic collapse this weekend for the Brits. Madness. I just don't see how she survives an election.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 03, 2022, 11:15:49 AM
Seems to me like they just needed someone to hold the bag.  :lol

Which explains why Ben Wallace and a bunch of others passed on this and the Labour party isn't really pushing hard for new elections either.  :doge
The Shitting on Liz's braindead economic plan is just a smokescreen for what is really happening, the Pound, Yen and Euro are equally collapsing as investors flee to the dollar and inflation skyrockets.
We'll soon see US corporations adjust their overseas prices.

Ukraine has taken Borova, now moving on Svatove.
Once again outflanking the Russian defenders.
https://twitter.com/mhmck/status/1576935003195248641 (https://twitter.com/mhmck/status/1576935003195248641)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2022, 12:15:26 PM
Eventually Ukraine will be unable to push the line forward and there will be a stalemate situation, similar to what happened earlier in the summer. But with winter coming and these cities back under Ukrainian control I'm not sure what Russia can do conventionally. The HIMARs/artillery are being moved up, the weapons keep pouring in. Any attempt to zerg rush these newly fortified positions will end in disaster for unprepared and poorly equipped Russian soldiers.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 03, 2022, 12:40:12 PM
Well after Lyman Russia is running out of places to organize this stalemate in Luhansk.

Svatove for example is surrounded by a forest and thus nearly impossible to defend.
The Russians pulled back to the Svatove, Kreminna line but there is no such thing. The Ukrainians can just outflank them through the woods.

This is why Russia 'fears' a NATO owned Ukraine because it's impossible to defend their borders on such a wide front.
You either have to stay and fight in cities (which is useless against arial and missile attacks in modern warfare) or you have to fortify a defensive line across the entire front.
Ukraine faced the same problem when they were on the defense. All they could do was stall Russia in cities like Mariupol. Using giant factories as fortresses.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2022, 01:54:13 PM
Winter and heavier artillery should hold much of that for Ukraine against these noobs. At which point I'm not sure what Putin does.

But even before that Ukraine is gonna continue striking across annexed lines and likely retake it without a massive Russian response. He basically has to use nukes at that point if the goal is truly to keep the territory right? I'm not even sure where he'd drop a bomb though, which is the other issue.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on October 03, 2022, 02:50:48 PM
putin starts scouring 8 year old neogaf threads for their tactical value

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/why-dont-we-just-nuke-isis-isil-whatever-theyre-called.902633/

(https://i.imgur.com/BHHtvkJ.jpeg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 03, 2022, 03:21:49 PM
Even China warns Putin against using nukes. Apparently he wants to stage a test in the black sea within days to show he's not bluffing.
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1577000685593587712 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1577000685593587712)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on October 03, 2022, 03:59:06 PM
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1576989220937269249
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2022, 04:06:29 PM
This guy just isn't smart...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on October 03, 2022, 04:07:47 PM
Muskrat? Yeah, he has made it abundantly clear that he's a moron.

https://twitter.com/Podolyak_M/status/1576981720854802433
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 03, 2022, 04:11:18 PM
Elon Musk is doing anime betrayal his Starlink is vital for Ukrainian communications.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on October 03, 2022, 04:14:02 PM
Yeah, about that...

U.S. quietly paying millions to send Starlink terminals to Ukraine, contrary to SpaceX claims
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/08/us-quietly-paying-millions-send-starlink-terminals-ukraine-contrary-spacexs-claims/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 03, 2022, 04:21:44 PM
Quote
the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) announced it has purchased more than 1,330 terminals from SpaceX to send to Ukraine, while the company donated nearly 3,670 terminals and the Internet service itself.
Sounds like the US government bought additional units on top of those donated by SpaceX plus they handled the shipping through military channels (which makes sense).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on October 03, 2022, 04:23:39 PM
One load blew before the other could.

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1576961509749850112
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on October 03, 2022, 04:36:23 PM
Little concerned that all these Ukraine gains are Russia baiting them into a nuclear surprise. Then they can claim that because the land is Russian (see vote) its not an international issue to conduct nuke tests on Russian soil

Will be a bad day for the stock market
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on October 03, 2022, 05:06:47 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 03, 2022, 04:21:44 PM
Quote
the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) announced it has purchased more than 1,330 terminals from SpaceX to send to Ukraine, while the company donated nearly 3,670 terminals and the Internet service itself.
Sounds like the US government bought additional units on top of those donated by SpaceX plus they handled the shipping through military channels (which makes sense).

You missed the relevant part:
Quote
Since then, the company has cast the actions in part as a charitable gesture. “I’m proud that we were able to provide the terminals to folks in Ukraine,” SpaceX president Gwynne Shotwell said at a public event last month, later telling CNBC, “I don’t think the U.S. has given us any money to give terminals to the Ukraine.”

But according to documents obtained by The Technology 202, the U.S. federal government is in fact paying millions of dollars for a significant portion of the equipment and for the transportation costs to get it to Ukraine.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 03, 2022, 05:22:03 PM
In Ukraine they work fast  :lol

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeKkiCWXkBU5Zjv?format=png)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeLG-avXEA8cVkp?format=jpg)

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1577025320393199616 (https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1577025320393199616)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2022, 05:55:18 PM
Quote from: james on October 03, 2022, 04:36:23 PM
Little concerned that all these Ukraine gains are Russia baiting them into a nuclear surprise. Then they can claim that because the land is Russian (see vote) its not an international issue to conduct nuke tests on Russian soil

Will be a bad day for the stock market

Too much galaxy brain shit for me. This invasion was stupid and should have killed any "Putin the master strategist" stuff but it persists no matter how many embarrassments the Russian forces take. In the early days/weeks, when Ukraine was clowning Russia in open battlefield situations the argument was "but look at this convoy of tanks, they're gonna surround Kyiv and take it." When that failed miserably the goal posts shifted to "but now the Donbas are ripe for being taken." Then that flopped, a counteroffensive wiped out Russian lines and now suddenly you think this could be a master plan to bait a nuke strike lol?

While I agree Putin is being pushed into a corner and the nuclear option is perhaps the last card he has left, I'm not sure how that works for him. Any type of mass casualty nuclear strike would result a massacre of Russian soldiers/bases/equipment by the US Air Force and world condemnation (including China). I'm not sure how this ends but if it remains a conventional war, I just don't see how Russia can hold what they've gained - or retake much of anything they've lost. Worse yet with winter coming.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 03, 2022, 06:43:28 PM
The only way for Putin to get out of this jam is to win this war and his army isn't capable of winning it.

It's going to be a slow grind with thousands of dead Russians until someone in Moscow decides they've had enough.
Unfortunately that is likely to be an ultra nationalist like the leader of Wagner (who also has the military means for a coup) with the help of Kadyrov or Putin himself who replaces the top military brass.
The latter is now sort of being communicated on the state TV channels. They call for Russia to regroup, fix the logistics, produce more arms and properly train the mobilized forces into new armies.
That all sounds good on paper but they can't do any of those things fast enough to save their army now.

People are starting to call this war 'Rumsfeldian' as just like in Iraq a war is being fought based on a political reality that is disconnected from the conditions on the battlefield.
As Rumsfeld himself put it: "You fight with the army you have, not with the army you want". The US lacked the troops they actually needed to occupy and secure Iraq, which meant widespread looting and ultimately an insurrection.
There's not much the Russians on the front can do except wait for the home front to get their shit in order and properly supply and reinforce the army.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 03, 2022, 06:50:51 PM
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1577064644560273412 (https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1577064644560273412)

Jesus  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 04, 2022, 12:58:47 PM
Total collapse of the Kherson front

https://twitter.com/KyleJGlen/status/1577280165377638400 (https://twitter.com/KyleJGlen/status/1577280165377638400)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FePMfa8aAAECJjx?format=jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on October 04, 2022, 01:17:46 PM
Looks like a bunch of farms.

"Gains" lol theyre just driving their tractors through
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on October 04, 2022, 01:18:03 PM
Now would be the perfect time for former Soviet republics to break ties with Moscow and free themselves. There is nothing Putler could do.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 04, 2022, 01:40:11 PM
Quote from: james on October 04, 2022, 01:17:46 PM
Looks like a bunch of farms.

"Gains" lol theyre just driving their tractors through
They advanced 70km in 4 hours.

Basically what remains of the Kherson front is now within Ukrainian artillery range.
The Russians can't escape or reinforce because the bridges have been destroyed.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FePYzxrWQAELYZO?format=jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on October 04, 2022, 01:45:21 PM
Nintex, Ive played literally thousands of hours of Civilization. It doesnt matter how many units you move forward, the borders dont change until you take over the city, wait 7 turns, and start building temples to expand your culture. It is literally impossible for the lines to have moved.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 04, 2022, 01:52:28 PM
So when Kherson is completely taken and no nukes fly...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 04, 2022, 03:23:51 PM
The schadenfreude is big on the Russian side.

https://twitter.com/komadovsky/status/1577376731903705112 (https://twitter.com/komadovsky/status/1577376731903705112)

"Help help, we're dying send air support!"
 :lol  :teehee :rofl :ussrcry :like

In other news they've run out of Lada's
https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1577275692747980800 (https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1577275692747980800)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 04, 2022, 05:08:06 PM
https://twitter.com/NickDM/status/1577166762688159745 (https://twitter.com/NickDM/status/1577166762688159745)

https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1577235804686258179 (https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1577235804686258179)

So basically, Russia doesn't really know what's going on the battlefield and they can't tell friends from foes.

Ukraine has sattelite intelligence and vehicle identifiers.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on October 04, 2022, 05:45:12 PM
https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/212095934039990272

 :hmm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 04, 2022, 06:27:49 PM
https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1577421969133539328 (https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1577421969133539328)

Wait which Korea?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BrokenVerses on October 04, 2022, 07:25:33 PM
Another terrible day for Russia I see.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on October 04, 2022, 09:11:11 PM
Quote from: BrokenVerses on October 04, 2022, 07:25:33 PM
Another terrible day for Russia I see.
Has Russia had a good day in.......oh, I don't know....about 700 years?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 05, 2022, 03:28:38 AM
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1577549381947035649 (https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1577549381947035649)

Mission accomplished :like

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1577483753278083072 (https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1577483753278083072)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 05, 2022, 10:31:18 AM
So when Kherson falls I guess he'll memory hole that signature?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 05, 2022, 02:10:08 PM
https://twitter.com/Andrew__Roth/status/1577562406733193218 (https://twitter.com/Andrew__Roth/status/1577562406733193218)

So uh you like fish guys?


Putin has promoted Kadyrov to General  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on October 05, 2022, 02:23:28 PM
Russia introduces a new service: Uber Tanks.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/xwfxqv/footage_taken_by_ukrainian_troops_of_a_russian/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 05, 2022, 02:57:21 PM
https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1577658401533968384 (https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1577658401533968384)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 05, 2022, 03:18:47 PM
Today's conflict would not exist if there were no attempts by Kyiv to "correct history and revive neo-Nazism."

So Putin (again) states NATO had nothing to do with this huh.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 05, 2022, 03:26:26 PM
https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/1577724987934666752 (https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/1577724987934666752)

"Our weapons is a write offs from warehouses, it is not functioning, built in 70's, many have pneumonia with high fever, we have no body armor or helmets"

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1577441687915606017 (https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1577441687915606017)

Captured soldier, not paid for 5 months.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 05, 2022, 03:37:44 PM
https://twitter.com/BonnieGlaser/status/1577693233957769217
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 05, 2022, 05:45:05 PM
https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1577756908240396288 (https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1577756908240396288)

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 05, 2022, 06:54:43 PM
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1577780691626037248 (https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1577780691626037248)

https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1577772051628277760 (https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1577772051628277760)

 :dizzy
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on October 05, 2022, 08:23:49 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 05, 2022, 05:45:05 PM
https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1577756908240396288 (https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1577756908240396288)

 :doge

they think a lot of members are quietly in favor of russia but can't openly say so for fear of backlash from the rest of the group or back home?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 05, 2022, 08:44:15 PM
They don't want to lose further soft power when allies vote against them.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on October 05, 2022, 08:47:17 PM
ah like china who has been publicly concerned about the threat of nukes

well if you have a secret ballot and and there are 100 people and it's 99 to 1, it's not exactly secret anymore is it?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 05, 2022, 09:03:51 PM
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1577780691626037248

hmmm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on October 05, 2022, 09:54:29 PM
Quote from: Uncle on October 05, 2022, 08:23:49 PM
they think a lot of members are quietly in favor of russia but can't openly say so for fear of backlash from the rest of the group or back home?
Good chance there's a lot of votes who may not want to condone this specific annexation but also not potentially set precedent for the UN opposing other annexations. A secret vote allows everyone to make multiple different claims about the meaning of it while also potentially withholding their own vote. "I don't want to breach the sanctity of the secret vote by revealing our vote." Etc.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 06, 2022, 01:31:14 PM
There's a bunch of countries like Saudi Arabia, Israel, Belarus, China, Turkey, Iran, India, Japan, Serbia, Sudan many places in Africa and Central Asia etc. that would probably vote against or abstain in a secret ballot.
They can't in public though, not without significant backlash.

If Putin had taken Kyiv in February it would've been a done deal and a lot of countries would've accepted the new situation.
The only reason this drags on with so much NATO support is that the Russians fucked it all up.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 07, 2022, 01:20:41 PM
https://twitter.com/AlexKokcharov/status/1578384904097759236 (https://twitter.com/AlexKokcharov/status/1578384904097759236)

Ok, who has the balls to fly a drone into the Kremlin. It's not like they have any air defense.


ANIME BETRAYAL
https://twitter.com/olliecarroll/status/1578413981076983808 (https://twitter.com/olliecarroll/status/1578413981076983808)

:elon
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 07, 2022, 02:28:21 PM
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1578437119214657536 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1578437119214657536)

:money :success
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on October 08, 2022, 02:39:11 AM
Large fire on the Crimean bridge. Fuel tank is the source.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63183404

Cause of fire... undetermined.

 :letsfukk
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 08, 2022, 04:28:00 AM
It was an attack
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1578632518307545089 (https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1578632518307545089)

https://twitter.com/COUPSURE/status/1578639570866176000 (https://twitter.com/COUPSURE/status/1578639570866176000)

Or rather a birthday gift
https://twitter.com/OleksiyDanilov/status/1578636142055870464 (https://twitter.com/OleksiyDanilov/status/1578636142055870464)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 08, 2022, 04:44:28 AM
https://twitter.com/Podolyak_M/status/1578628414197485569 (https://twitter.com/Podolyak_M/status/1578628414197485569)

Ukraine does not fuck around
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 08, 2022, 11:37:25 AM
Unconfirmed reports of arrests in Moscow
https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1578753112709308416 (https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1578753112709308416)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HaughtyFrank on October 08, 2022, 02:08:32 PM
Putin personally opened that crimea bridge back in 2018. Even drove the first truck across. Guess he didn't see that coming

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/05/16/putin-made-a-show-of-crossing-the-new-crimea-bridge-but-he-was-upstaged-by-a-cat/

A strong strategic and symbolic blow packed into one.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 08, 2022, 02:09:13 PM
The Cats already knew

That's like the 5th(?) this week
https://twitter.com/JPN_PMO/status/1578792196756893696 (https://twitter.com/JPN_PMO/status/1578792196756893696)

Not just a state of emergency but a maximum state of emergency :dice

https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1578801253207126017 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1578801253207126017)


Kim looks healthy for a drug addict on downers
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FekAZkGWIAETWQs?format=jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 09, 2022, 01:46:04 PM
I've never seen him so shook

https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1579164370445094915 (https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1579164370445094915)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2022, 05:49:19 PM
Can't believe NK's ballistic missile took out the Crimea bridge.
:whoo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 09, 2022, 05:52:56 PM
https://twitter.com/ReutersUS/status/1579225223995564032 (https://twitter.com/ReutersUS/status/1579225223995564032)

https://twitter.com/LiveFromKenya/status/1577414127424868352 (https://twitter.com/LiveFromKenya/status/1577414127424868352)

 :huh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 10, 2022, 03:16:27 AM
Ukrainian cities are being heavily bombed this morning :fbm

https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1579364362305048577 (https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1579364362305048577)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on October 10, 2022, 03:23:02 AM
Don't they know they are just being liberated from their Nazi oppressors?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 10, 2022, 03:59:33 AM
Russia just launched 47 more missiles from land and 14 from the black sea. Pray for Ukraine fellas

China calls for immediate de-escalation

Ukraine defense ministry vows revenge for todays strikes
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on October 10, 2022, 08:04:48 AM
China should quit going after Taiwan and just walk in and take Eastern Russia. Place must be empty right now with the draft  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2022, 11:22:26 AM
Quote from: who is ted danson? on October 10, 2022, 08:04:48 AM
China should quit going after Taiwan and just walk in and take Eastern Russia. Place must be empty right now with the draft  :lol

You're joking but it makes more sense than risking failure or sanctions via Taiwan invasions. Siberia was annexed from China in the 1850s. Russia becoming a vassal state for China in exchange for Siberian land doesn't seem far fetched if the federation/government is toppled due to Ukraine.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on October 10, 2022, 11:24:53 AM
It is time for Mongolia to rise again.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 10, 2022, 01:03:55 PM
It's a big fucking mess.

- Russian missiles flew over Moldovan air space
- German Consulate in Kyiv was hit by a rocket attack
- Russian troops arriving 'by the trainload' in Belarus after Lukashenko announces 'joint military operation'
- Kyiv is partially without power
- Poland advises its citizens in Belarus to leave the country
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 10, 2022, 02:34:59 PM
The Russian blame the terrorist known as Semen Hydenko (a.k.a Sam Hyde) for the bombing of the Kerch bridge

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FepqQXTWQAEMq1o?format=jpg)

I repeat, The Russians are providing a 4chan meme as evidence.  :doge

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Feqy9cnXgAE5W_0?format=jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on October 10, 2022, 02:50:28 PM
What kind of passport agency accepts topless photos
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HardcoreRetro on October 10, 2022, 03:15:15 PM
Someone should edit this so it seems like he's calling out Putin.

https://youtube.com/shorts/p1vsNu05-v8?feature=share
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 10, 2022, 06:29:24 PM
Bolsonaro closing a 14 point gap in the polls within less than a month  :crazy

https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1579502440679763968 (https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1579502440679763968)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 11, 2022, 03:19:08 AM
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1579720452208934913 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1579720452208934913)

General Armageddon indeed
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on October 11, 2022, 03:32:35 AM
Armageddon my men killed more likely
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on October 11, 2022, 12:21:15 PM
Elon has a direct line to Putin wtf

https://twitter.com/joshvisser/status/1579857340287057921
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 11, 2022, 01:44:12 PM
Elon denies it

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1579879154463690752 (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1579879154463690752)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on October 11, 2022, 01:46:33 PM
leave elon alone

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on October 11, 2022, 01:55:44 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63211743

Quote
The Bank of England has warned of a "material risk" to financial stability as it made a fresh emergency move to try to calm investors.

It said it would buy more government bonds to try to stabilise their price and prevent a sell-off that could put some pension funds at risk of collapse.

It is the third time the Bank has had to step in since the government's mini-budget sparked alarm among investors.

(https://i.imgur.com/iP42wHz.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on October 11, 2022, 02:03:14 PM
UK is speedrunning 2007 bank collapse.

Go anti-woke go broke.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 11, 2022, 02:27:23 PM
It's all of Europe that's collapsing fast but on the continent everyone is too busy with ze war to notice.

Higher interest rates will kill the housing market and retirement funds.
Not raising interest rates will see inflation spiral out of control further.

And on top of that trolley problem there's the surging energy costs and a possible COVID return.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on October 11, 2022, 04:46:36 PM
https://twitter.com/TheStalwart/status/1579912232233627648
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on October 11, 2022, 09:50:18 PM
https://twitter.com/L0G2c9UY/status/1579998548422119424
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on October 11, 2022, 09:58:04 PM
Quote from: who is ted danson? on October 10, 2022, 08:04:48 AM
China should quit going after Taiwan and just walk in and take Eastern Russia. Place must be empty right now with the draft  :lol
:bolo
Quote from: benjipwns on February 26, 2022, 10:22:31 AM
https://twitter.com/MrGeorgeWallace/status/1496599704309665792
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 12, 2022, 02:39:48 PM
https://twitter.com/POLITICOEurope/status/1580221617463971841 (https://twitter.com/POLITICOEurope/status/1580221617463971841)

:putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on October 12, 2022, 04:02:01 PM
The Economist not mincing words :lol

(https://abload.de/img/bc752925-c99b-4586-95nfe6.jpeg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 12, 2022, 04:14:01 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 11, 2022, 09:50:18 PM
https://twitter.com/L0G2c9UY/status/1579998548422119424
This is an erasure of young commondreams.org/Air America/Daily Kos/Randy Rhodes era PD. I will not stand for it. We protested god dammit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on October 12, 2022, 04:22:00 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 12, 2022, 04:14:01 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 11, 2022, 09:50:18 PM
https://twitter.com/L0G2c9UY/status/1579998548422119424
This is an erasure of young commondreams.org/Air America/Daily Kos/Randy Rhodes era PD. I will not stand for it. We protested god dammit.

Me, you and maybe Benji were there

:salute
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on October 12, 2022, 04:43:03 PM
:salute this guy probably killed a couple of Iraqi babies and posed with Abu Ghraib prisoners tbh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 12, 2022, 04:58:42 PM
Quote from: Uncle on October 05, 2022, 08:23:49 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 05, 2022, 05:45:05 PM
https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1577756908240396288 (https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1577756908240396288)

 :doge

they think a lot of members are quietly in favor of russia but can't openly say so for fear of backlash from the rest of the group or back home?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fe5Wo4HaMAEYIG4?format=jpg)

Russia is down to Belarus Oblast, Syria Oblast (Arab Russia), Best Korea and Nicaragua.

They lost Serbia, this is the biggest geopolitical anime betrayal of all time.

https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1580294076435685376 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1580294076435685376)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on October 12, 2022, 06:57:47 PM
https://twitter.com/jimmypop/status/1580243218603466758
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on October 12, 2022, 07:04:47 PM
https://youtu.be/StrAy4c_VRw
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on October 13, 2022, 08:30:44 AM
https://twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1574160470021324800
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on October 13, 2022, 09:46:37 AM
could easily be a false story but

(https://i.imgur.com/fGpPeiW.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on October 13, 2022, 10:08:10 AM
German inflation at highest level in over 25 years

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/german-inflation-highest-level-over-25-years-2022-09-29/?utm_source=reddit.com

:pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 13, 2022, 02:56:06 PM
https://twitter.com/MilDefInsider/status/1580541810807427072 (https://twitter.com/MilDefInsider/status/1580541810807427072)

France stays on brand.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on October 13, 2022, 03:03:17 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 13, 2022, 02:56:06 PM
https://twitter.com/MilDefInsider/status/1580541810807427072 (https://twitter.com/MilDefInsider/status/1580541810807427072)

France stays on brand.

To my knowledge, the US never said it would use nukes either. From everything I've heard, the response would involve conventional weapons and/or extreme forms of sanctions. But not nukes.


I think some of you guys need some perspective. Nuking Russia is a really bad idea.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 13, 2022, 03:18:48 PM
You missed the memo. If you're against nuclear war you're probably a Russian agent paid for by the Kremlin like Tucker, Tulsi and Trump to spread Russian propaganda.

https://twitter.com/JosBtrigga/status/1580364662419312641 (https://twitter.com/JosBtrigga/status/1580364662419312641)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on October 13, 2022, 03:43:00 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 13, 2022, 02:56:06 PM
https://twitter.com/MilDefInsider/status/1580541810807427072 (https://twitter.com/MilDefInsider/status/1580541810807427072)

France stays on brand.


Yes, because France's doctrine (like many other countries) is to only consider the use nuclear weapons if its territory is attacked. Last I checked, Ukraine isn't part of France. What a dumb article.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on October 13, 2022, 04:27:02 PM
Its or Germany's. Three years ago, France signed a treaty extending its nuclear shield to include Germany in case of armed aggression against Germany. In case any country attacks Germany, France will use any means at its disposal to help defend it, including the use of nuclear weapons.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on October 13, 2022, 04:43:02 PM
Curious that Israel isnt promising to nuke Russia

Curious indeed
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on October 13, 2022, 05:03:06 PM
Quote from: Occam on October 13, 2022, 04:27:02 PM
Its or Germany's. Three years ago, France signed a treaty extending its nuclear shield to include Germany in case of armed aggression against Germany. In case any country attacks Germany, France will use any means at its disposal to help defend it, including the use of nuclear weapons.

Aachen? I don't think it's that guaranteed, the language is a bit nebulous.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on October 13, 2022, 05:13:47 PM
It's guaranteed.
"Macron acknowledged that “all means” would include the French nuclear deterrent force."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/02/28/france-is-prepared-extend-its-nuclear-deterrent-germany/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 13, 2022, 05:32:01 PM
https://twitter.com/bmay/status/1580281365899096065 (https://twitter.com/bmay/status/1580281365899096065)

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on October 13, 2022, 07:06:21 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 13, 2022, 02:56:06 PM
https://twitter.com/MilDefInsider/status/1580541810807427072 (https://twitter.com/MilDefInsider/status/1580541810807427072)

France stays on brand.


Good countries tend not to do retaliatory mass murder, Nintex.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on October 13, 2022, 08:16:07 PM
The retaliatory threat from NATO has always been to wipe out Russian forces in Ukraine with conventional weapons, not to attack Russia with nukes...that would justify Russia sending its nukes back to NATO countries and would immediately trigger China and other nuclear countries to consider launching theirs. Macron is not undercutting anyone.


EDIT: Lol, Nintex, I love you dude, but your source is Business Insider which is basically live journal for idiots who fancy themselves journalists. There are basically zero editorial standards.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 14, 2022, 03:31:45 AM
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1580819437824839681 (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1580819437824839681)

Ukraine about to lose battlefield communications because of a twitter beef is peak 2022
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 14, 2022, 05:11:39 AM
Watch :rogan suddenly becoming more sympathetic to Russia over the next few months :teehee
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 14, 2022, 07:51:47 AM
Liz Truss is sacking Kwarsi Kerteng today :girlaff
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 14, 2022, 07:55:54 AM
And some Tory big wigs are going to demand her resignation next week :heh

I suppose this is what happens when you fuck with people's money :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 14, 2022, 08:03:43 AM
The left is going after you and Kanye but Did you hear about these Nazi's in Ukraine :rogan

:elon I watched their browser history because they used my internet service Starlink it was very disturbing

Someone should provide some security to these people I hear Zelensky is on drugs many people are saying it :rogan

:elon I've heard those rumors too

Hitler was on drugs and he was a Nazi. Roll the tape Jamie :rogan
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on October 14, 2022, 08:31:27 AM
Quote from: Nintex on October 14, 2022, 08:03:43 AM
Nazi's

The nominative plural of "Nazi" is "Nazis". There is no apostrophe.

An apostrophe indicates the genitive case. Someting (or someone) belonging to something (or someone).
Singular: "The Nazi's hat" = "The hat of the Nazi"
Plural: "The Nazis' hats" = "The hats of the Nazis".

The way you continue to spell it is genitive singular.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on October 14, 2022, 08:51:17 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/2nC8GM3/Photo-editing-Cloud20221014-1.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on October 14, 2022, 09:23:41 AM
the plural of nazi is conservatives

:ufup
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on October 14, 2022, 11:53:18 AM
https://twitter.com/hardcastIe/status/1580917564099923968

First Biden, now Truss with the confused 1000 yard gaze
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 14, 2022, 12:54:03 PM
https://twitter.com/jordanschnyc/status/1580889343417233409 (https://twitter.com/jordanschnyc/status/1580889343417233409)

https://twitter.com/jordanschnyc/status/1580889347846713344 (https://twitter.com/jordanschnyc/status/1580889347846713344)

Sayonara cheap PlayStations.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on October 14, 2022, 01:05:41 PM
If this delays the Switch Pro Im voting for Trump
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BrokenVerses on October 14, 2022, 02:07:10 PM
Apparently several notorious Russia propaganda posters are now under arrest for discrediting the Russian Armed forces lol.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on October 14, 2022, 02:07:34 PM
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580901285859295232


Dear Kwasi,

Signed, Kwasi.


Also "I respect the decision you took today". But he got sacked.

:lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on October 14, 2022, 04:22:40 PM
https://twitter.com/AlexofBrown/status/1580919543106482176
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on October 14, 2022, 05:28:47 PM
https://twitter.com/dim0kq/status/1580827171903635456
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on October 14, 2022, 06:29:39 PM
You know, I was pretty uninvested in the whole Elon Musk thing. I'm not interested in his cars and he strikes me as a guy who is good at selling other people's ideas, but outside of his big battery in South Australia project, I didn't really pay much attention to him. The Twitter thing is a massive lol, but I can't say I've followed it outside of the drama.

However, this whole thing really turns my stomach and I'm officially on team Fuck Musk. What a piece of shit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on October 14, 2022, 07:33:41 PM
Quote from: Potato on October 14, 2022, 06:29:39 PM
You know, I was pretty uninvested in the whole Elon Musk thing. I'm not interested in his cars and he strikes me as a guy who is good at selling other people's ideas, but outside of his big battery in South Australia project, I didn't really pay much attention to him. The Twitter thing is a massive lol, but I can't say I've followed it outside of the drama.

However, this whole thing really turns my stomach and I'm officially on team Fuck Musk. What a piece of shit.

agreed, however as someone also trying not to be a weird techbro musk defender, I've been reading that the timeline has been fucked with in order to make it look like musk is being more retaliatory than in reality

this tweet says it comes "days after" the ambassador insulted him on october 3:

https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1580782290849759232

but then you read this article:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/13/politics/elon-musk-spacex-starlink-ukraine/index.html

Quote
But those charitable contributions could be coming to an end, as SpaceX has warned the Pentagon that it may stop funding the service in Ukraine unless the US military kicks in tens of millions of dollars per month.

Documents obtained by CNN show that last month Musk’s SpaceX sent a letter to the Pentagon saying it can no longer continue to fund the Starlink service as it has. The letter also requested that the Pentagon take over funding for Ukraine’s government and military use of Starlink, which SpaceX claims would cost more than $120 million for the rest of the year and could cost close to $400 million for the next 12 months.

“We are not in a position to further donate terminals to Ukraine, or fund the existing terminals for an indefinite period of time,” SpaceX’s director of government sales wrote to the Pentagon in the September letter.

he announced his intention last month, september, not after being insulted

also, regarding the tweet at the bottom of last page, if ukrainians are paying for their own equipment and service, obviously that's entirely different from the units and service that had been donated

he's not threatening to cut off service from people who are paying for it, he's just not donating more



additionally, the ukrainian "diplomat" who told one of the country's wartime benefactors to fuck off is apparently a piece of shit himself:

https://web.archive.org/web/20221012135549/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/09/world/europe/ukraine-german-ambassador-andriy-melnyk.html

Quote
Volodymyr Zelensky, the president of Ukraine, fired his ambassador to Germany, a week after the diplomat gave an interview in which he defended the legacy of a World War II nationalist leader who collaborated with the Nazis.

Andriy Melnyk, Ukraine’s ambassador to Germany since 2014, was one of the most recognized faces of the Ukrainian cause in Germany, never shying away from leveling fierce criticism of what many saw as Germany’s slow response to the Russian invasion and often provoking the ire of the country’s political elite.

But in an interview on the show Jung & Naiv, which streamed on YouTube on June 29, Mr. Melnyk defended the memory of Stepan Bandera, the leader of the far-right Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists during World War II. The nationalist group, which espoused fascist ideology, collaborated with German forces when they occupied Ukraine and some of those forces assisted in the mass murders of Poles and Jews.

I support ukraine but I also accept that there might be short-sighted assholes among them that cause more problems than they help
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on October 14, 2022, 07:58:13 PM
Someone competent filled a letter last month asking the pentagon to start covering costs. That's an important nuanced discussion that can be handled in private

That's reasonable.

Musk is the one that posted "they asked for it" and made it about him
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 14, 2022, 08:02:12 PM
https://twitter.com/Peter__Leonard/status/1581023660189822976 (https://twitter.com/Peter__Leonard/status/1581023660189822976)

Holy shit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on October 14, 2022, 08:10:51 PM
Dude should steer clear of any windows. Sounds like he's going to commit suicide by falling from a first storey window.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 14, 2022, 08:19:24 PM
https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1580954038535081984 (https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1580954038535081984)

Wut
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BrokenVerses on October 14, 2022, 09:14:58 PM
How are you not posting the even more amazing rumor that Girkin is getting sent to the front lines lol??
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on October 14, 2022, 10:47:37 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/JpEHfJR.jpeg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on October 14, 2022, 11:59:51 PM
Quote from: james on October 14, 2022, 07:58:13 PM
Someone competent filled a letter last month asking the pentagon to start covering costs. That's an important nuanced discussion that can be handled in private

That's reasonable.

Musk is the one that posted "they asked for it" and made it about him

I think Musk may be suffering from a severe case of tiny penis syndrome.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 15, 2022, 04:25:40 AM
He just circumvents procurement with a "Free trial"
https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1581104869410189312 (https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1581104869410189312)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on October 15, 2022, 04:41:04 AM
AOC was right. Kill all billionaires.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on October 15, 2022, 05:00:11 AM
Without Starlink Kyiv might have fallen already, and yet Elon is the bad guy for asking the US military to chip in considering the war might still be going this time next year, or even further.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: jorma on October 15, 2022, 06:04:35 AM
Quote from: Transhuman on October 15, 2022, 05:00:11 AM
Without Starlink Kyiv might have fallen already, and yet Elon is the bad guy for asking the US military to chip in considering the war might still be going this time next year, or even further.

no he is the bad guy for sperging on twitter, which is objectively much worse, at least according to everyone who are spending too much time sperging on twitter.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on October 15, 2022, 06:27:20 AM
Quote from: Uncle on October 14, 2022, 07:33:41 PM
Quote from: Potato on October 14, 2022, 06:29:39 PM
You know, I was pretty uninvested in the whole Elon Musk thing. I'm not interested in his cars and he strikes me as a guy who is good at selling other people's ideas, but outside of his big battery in South Australia project, I didn't really pay much attention to him. The Twitter thing is a massive lol, but I can't say I've followed it outside of the drama.

However, this whole thing really turns my stomach and I'm officially on team Fuck Musk. What a piece of shit.

agreed, however as someone also trying not to be a weird techbro musk defender, I've been reading that the timeline has been fucked with in order to make it look like musk is being more retaliatory than in reality

this tweet says it comes "days after" the ambassador insulted him on october 3:

https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1580782290849759232

but then you read this article:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/13/politics/elon-musk-spacex-starlink-ukraine/index.html

Quote
But those charitable contributions could be coming to an end, as SpaceX has warned the Pentagon that it may stop funding the service in Ukraine unless the US military kicks in tens of millions of dollars per month.

Documents obtained by CNN show that last month Musk’s SpaceX sent a letter to the Pentagon saying it can no longer continue to fund the Starlink service as it has. The letter also requested that the Pentagon take over funding for Ukraine’s government and military use of Starlink, which SpaceX claims would cost more than $120 million for the rest of the year and could cost close to $400 million for the next 12 months.

“We are not in a position to further donate terminals to Ukraine, or fund the existing terminals for an indefinite period of time,” SpaceX’s director of government sales wrote to the Pentagon in the September letter.

he announced his intention last month, september, not after being insulted

also, regarding the tweet at the bottom of last page, if ukrainians are paying for their own equipment and service, obviously that's entirely different from the units and service that had been donated

he's not threatening to cut off service from people who are paying for it, he's just not donating more



additionally, the ukrainian "diplomat" who told one of the country's wartime benefactors to fuck off is apparently a piece of shit himself:

https://web.archive.org/web/20221012135549/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/09/world/europe/ukraine-german-ambassador-andriy-melnyk.html

Quote
Volodymyr Zelensky, the president of Ukraine, fired his ambassador to Germany, a week after the diplomat gave an interview in which he defended the legacy of a World War II nationalist leader who collaborated with the Nazis.

Andriy Melnyk, Ukraine’s ambassador to Germany since 2014, was one of the most recognized faces of the Ukrainian cause in Germany, never shying away from leveling fierce criticism of what many saw as Germany’s slow response to the Russian invasion and often provoking the ire of the country’s political elite.

But in an interview on the show Jung & Naiv, which streamed on YouTube on June 29, Mr. Melnyk defended the memory of Stepan Bandera, the leader of the far-right Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists during World War II. The nationalist group, which espoused fascist ideology, collaborated with German forces when they occupied Ukraine and some of those forces assisted in the mass murders of Poles and Jews.

I support ukraine but I also accept that there might be short-sighted assholes among them that cause more problems than they help
This is why I fucking hate Twatter and all those terminally online fuckers that use it. Burn it all to the ground.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 15, 2022, 08:13:09 AM
Quote from: Transhuman on October 15, 2022, 05:00:11 AM
Without Starlink Kyiv might have fallen already, and yet Elon is the bad guy for asking the US military to chip in considering the war might still be going this time next year, or even further.
There's a lot of dimensions to this.

- Elon 'donated' Starlink services, he did not include the fine print about the service ending before the war would or others having to pick up the tab for the subscriptions
- SpaceX sets the price of the Starlink service but the average subscription fee that Ukraine pays per connection is much higher than a consumer would ($110 monthly), it is hard to tell if the delivered service is technically any different
- Because Elon quickly provided Starlink no efforts were made to look for alternative communication methods, the use of Starlink was simply scaled with additional government funding (i.e. Elon has a monopoly)
- Elon decides how far the Ukrainian army can advance because he's in control of their communications
- Starlink is not profitable, it's running heavily into the red

So basically Elon has set Ukraine up with Starlink as a free trial and now there's a ~$500 million subscription fee.
He can dictate the terms of the delivery of the service and the price.

And all this comes after Starlink lost a few bids for subsidies earlier this year. Including $900 million to provide broadband services in rural areas in the US.

It was a smart business move and he provided the Ukrainian Army with great communications (perhaps the best in the world) but the ethics and transparency are questionable.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 15, 2022, 01:03:52 PM
https://twitter.com/dailystar/status/1581194462726066176 (https://twitter.com/dailystar/status/1581194462726066176)

 :gbcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 15, 2022, 02:17:30 PM
Elon pledges to keep providing Starlink for free.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1581345747777179651 (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1581345747777179651)

How much free advertising for StarlinkTM was this entire episode?  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on October 15, 2022, 02:30:36 PM
https://twitter.com/nutonhereyes/status/1581347353595760640

 :ohhh :hesright

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:dead
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on October 15, 2022, 02:37:10 PM
Probably safe to assume @NutOnHerEyes is probably a troll account reproducing the famous meme and not a highly educated political scientist.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 15, 2022, 04:54:02 PM
The Russians accidentally mobilized 2 Jihadi's the results were predictable  :doge

https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1581364195500531712 (https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1581364195500531712)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on October 16, 2022, 04:02:25 AM
Quote from: Nintex on October 15, 2022, 04:54:02 PM
The Russians accidentally mobilized 2 Jihadi's the results were predictable  :doge

https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1581364195500531712 (https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1581364195500531712)

 :ussrcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 16, 2022, 04:06:15 AM
https://twitter.com/aalodah/status/1581394189698617346 (https://twitter.com/aalodah/status/1581394189698617346)

:info
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 16, 2022, 05:29:26 PM
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1581724134706655232 (https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1581724134706655232)

What's the point of mobilizing an army if you just let them freeze to death :doge

https://twitter.com/POLITlCSUK/status/1581664456178036736 (https://twitter.com/POLITlCSUK/status/1581664456178036736)

Leadership contest!!!  :clap
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2022, 05:58:27 PM
https://twitter.com/castawaymariner/status/1581396014829043712
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2022, 06:21:32 PM
Truss is done, it's just a matter of when they'll pull the plug.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on October 16, 2022, 11:29:05 PM
Muslim murder spree, again, but this time at Russian base

Who are the baddies

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1581692332688125952
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on October 17, 2022, 12:23:57 AM
If you insult the Flying Spaghetti Monster of the religion of peace they have to murder you, of course. Imaginary sky buddies can't defend themselves, after all.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 17, 2022, 03:33:21 AM
Kamikaze drone strikes on Kyiv

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1581894081927839744 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1581894081927839744)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on October 17, 2022, 04:52:42 AM
Quote from: Occam on October 17, 2022, 12:23:57 AM
If you insult the Flying Spaghetti Monster of the religion of peace they have to murder you, of course. Imaginary sky buddies can't defend themselves, after all.
You mean those omnipotent sky fairies who have been recorded in their books of unimpeachable truth on multiple occasions smiting those who disobey them can't defend themselves?
 :pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on October 17, 2022, 04:54:40 AM
Quote from: Nintex on October 17, 2022, 03:33:21 AM
Kamikaze drone strikes on Kyiv

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1581894081927839744 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1581894081927839744)
Pretty sure I read an article today that Russia was suspected to be running out of missiles. This lines up.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Snoopycat_ on October 17, 2022, 06:06:16 AM
It's day 4 and the nation is hooked on the great Lizz vs lettuce battle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm-RE95lKJ0
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 17, 2022, 08:51:22 AM
I've got a feeling this is all a psy op to clean up Boris's image a bit, nothing else makes sense.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2022, 11:43:22 AM
Quote from: Pissy F Benny on October 17, 2022, 08:51:22 AM
I've got a feeling this is all a psy op to clean up Boris's image a bit, nothing else makes sense.

She had the good luck of running against a non-white guy to become PM. If Rishi was white he would have easily won and this wouldn't be happening. Sure UK is fucked anyway due to Brexit, which has largely been an underlining issue for all of this financial unrest. But the tax cut and weird bond shit doesn't happen without Truss.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on October 17, 2022, 12:40:56 PM
Quote
China Abruptly Delays GDP Release During Communist Party Conference
Absence of official indicator adds to difficulties for global investors and companies seeking to gauge depth of China’s economic slowdown

https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-abruptly-delays-gdp-release-during-communist-party-conference-11666000383

:pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 17, 2022, 01:00:39 PM
shot
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1582040253518733313 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1582040253518733313)

chaser
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1582050241435471872 (https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1582050241435471872)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on October 17, 2022, 01:33:15 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2022, 11:43:22 AM
Quote from: Pissy F Benny on October 17, 2022, 08:51:22 AM
I've got a feeling this is all a psy op to clean up Boris's image a bit, nothing else makes sense.

She had the good luck of running against a non-white guy to become PM. If Rishi was white he would have easily won and this wouldn't be happening.

No, that's not how it works. He lost because he didn't back BoJo all the way down. He is more than enough establishment pipeline to have been PM.

Truss is an idiot but a loyal idiot. People underestimated how much of an idiot.

Tories are a bunch of fucking snakes, but the appearance of loyalty and 'doing their duty' plays a big part.
Look at how Hunt is playing it - literally pissing all over Truss's shambling corpse by systematically undoing every single thing she stood for, but will be openly praising what a great job and how important she is while shes bleeding out.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 17, 2022, 01:48:11 PM
She handed over the country to the bankers.

https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1582034162416259073 (https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1582034162416259073)

https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1581977465383444480 (https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1581977465383444480)

No more tax cuts and price caps but tax hikes and a new round of austerity.

Oh and they removed the cap on banker bonuses. That's all they kept  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on October 17, 2022, 02:39:05 PM
It seems like these right wing policies are lose-lose-lose for the common man

Curious
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 17, 2022, 03:14:26 PM
This is more the establishment putting their foot down and using everything they have at their disposal (banks, media, politicians) to push their policies after they failed to replace Boris with Sunak.

Much like they did with Clinton, Obama, Johnson and a bunch of other leaders who wanted to reform the economy in various ways but were blocked from doing so. The same thing would happen if a Labour government came in to regulate the markets, increase benefits and nationalize industries. Truss and Kwarteng cracked under pressure where the likes of Reagan and Trump did not when they implemented their anti-austerity policies.

You now have Keith Starmer as Labour leader and Jeremy Hunt as 'acting PM'.
None will rock the boat, just the way the establishment likes it.

It's clear that they had this new plan on the shelves already because it's basically Sunak's.
Truss and Kwarteng must have expected the public to support growth over austerity as they did during the campaign.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on October 17, 2022, 03:55:20 PM
Quote from: Potato on October 17, 2022, 04:52:42 AM
Quote from: Occam on October 17, 2022, 12:23:57 AM
If you insult the Flying Spaghetti Monster of the religion of peace they have to murder you, of course. Imaginary sky buddies can't defend themselves, after all.
You mean those omnipotent sky fairies who have been recorded in their books of unimpeachable truth on multiple occasions smiting those who disobey them can't defend themselves?
 :pika

Yes, it's quite the conundrum! Hahahah:)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on October 17, 2022, 04:04:25 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 17, 2022, 01:00:39 PM
shot
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1582040253518733313 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1582040253518733313)
Why does the Russian President have an advisor specifically to Al Jazeera?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2022, 04:41:23 PM
https://twitter.com/jordanschnyc/status/1580889341265469440
https://twitter.com/jordanschnyc/status/1580889342402129921

Taking out Russia and China in a single term  :biden
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 18, 2022, 06:21:59 AM
Quote from: Nintex on October 17, 2022, 03:14:26 PM
This is more the establishment putting their foot down and using everything they have at their disposal (banks, media, politicians) to push their policies after they failed to replace Boris with Sunak.

Much like they did with Clinton, Obama, Johnson and a bunch of other leaders who wanted to reform the economy in various ways but were blocked from doing so. The same thing would happen if a Labour government came in to regulate the markets, increase benefits and nationalize industries. Truss and Kwarteng cracked under pressure where the likes of Reagan and Trump did not when they implemented their anti-austerity policies.

You now have Keith Starmer as Labour leader and Jeremy Hunt as 'acting PM'.
None will rock the boat, just the way the establishment likes it.

It's clear that they had this new plan on the shelves already because it's basically Sunak's.
Truss and Kwarteng must have expected the public to support growth over austerity as they did during the campaign.

It wasnt the public it was around 100k tory members and probably 80% of them are loons :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 18, 2022, 10:41:03 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/10/17/almadi-sentenced-tweets-saudi-arabia
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 18, 2022, 10:46:17 AM
Quote from: Pissy F Benny on October 17, 2022, 08:51:22 AM
I've got a feeling this is all a psy op to clean up Boris's image a bit, nothing else makes sense.

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1582327881224835072

:thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on October 18, 2022, 01:14:17 PM
25% would still back truss

 :ohhh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 18, 2022, 01:27:34 PM
Apparently they're gonna not increase pensions, but which will put one of the final nails in their coffin for the next election, whenever that is.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on October 18, 2022, 01:41:46 PM
Quote from: who is ted danson? on October 18, 2022, 01:14:17 PM
25% would still back truss

 :ohhh

its the British pathology - sure, she might have fucked up so badly we were days away from fucking weimar republic levels currency crash, but she was very honourable about it
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BrokenVerses on October 18, 2022, 01:46:57 PM
Quote from: Pissy F Benny on October 18, 2022, 01:27:34 PM
Apparently they're gonna not increase pensions, but which will put one of the final nails in their coffin for the next election, whenever that is.

Do you mean no COLA increase? That would be insane.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 18, 2022, 01:54:19 PM
Apparently so, austerity 2.0 baby :money

I suspect it will be walked back/dropped pretty quickly because it's electorial suicide. As a guess schools will end up taking the brunt if it, cos kids don't vote and none of the Tory MPs or donors kids go to their local comp anyway. oh and some sly cuts the the NHS.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on October 18, 2022, 01:57:21 PM
Watching the great right wing experiment collapse into the sun is amusing.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on October 18, 2022, 02:07:38 PM
Quote from: james on October 18, 2022, 01:57:21 PM
Watching the great right wing experiment collapse into the sun is amusing.

British Himus will still keep voting for these dumb dumbs anyways  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 18, 2022, 02:15:43 PM
The politicians all seem to have accepted that everyone will face a decrease of wealth, income and freedom and their job is to simply 'manage' the transition process rather than solve the underlying issues (like corruption).
In return they promise society will be greener, more inclusive and equal and they subsidize corporations at the expense of small businesses to make this happen.

Those that want to walk a different path are brushed aside as radicals or simply blocked by banks and investors.

I don't think Starmer would have a radically different budget or disagree with the economists that austerity and recession is the solution to inflation.


https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1582279794242486277 (https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1582279794242486277)

 :doge

https://twitter.com/haynesdeborah/status/1582294921242738689 (https://twitter.com/haynesdeborah/status/1582294921242738689)

Talking about the n-word

spoiler (click to show/hide)
nuclear word :trumps
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on October 18, 2022, 02:50:44 PM
Quote from: james on October 18, 2022, 01:57:21 PM
Watching the great right wing experiment collapse into the sun is amusing.

12 year of Tory rule, Brexit and Trussonomics, I'll admit that it's hard not to feel some schadenfreunde.

But I have to remind myself millions didn't vote for any of this and they are going to suffer regardless.

 :(
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on October 18, 2022, 03:00:45 PM
Quote from: Sman on October 18, 2022, 02:50:44 PM
But I have to remind myself millions didn't vote for any of this and they are going to suffer regardless.

 :(

Consider it reparations for the empire stuff

 :miyamoto
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on October 18, 2022, 04:51:41 PM
McCarthy signals GOP-led House likely to oppose more aid to Ukraine
(WaPo)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 18, 2022, 05:45:10 PM
The idea that there should not be a negotiated peace with Russia is insanity.
That peace should include that all Russian forces leave Ukraine and its borders to be restored to what they were in 1991.

What is needed before winter is a ceasefire to avoid a catastrophe.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on October 18, 2022, 05:49:47 PM
The JAMES FUND peace plan, developed by some of the top minds in international relations (I have a minor in it)

1. Polonium in Putins coffee
2. Russia exits Ukraine
3. US, Russia, Ukraine, EU and Turkey sign the Sokovia Accords which guarantee permanent Ukraine borders
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 18, 2022, 06:33:38 PM
It's hard to read Putin. He was basically an anonymous pawn put in place by the oligarchs to keep the status quo after Yeltsin, modeled after Tony Blair by campaigns, political operatives and spin doctors.
Then he turned against his former masters and he would do so many times over. Against the FSB, against the communists, against the mob, against the nationalists and against the liberals.

Now he keeps saying things like: "the military has requested me" or the "the military has instructed me" doing the things he told months before he would never do (again common with Putin)
Is he in control of the military? Is the military in control of him? Is anyone in control? A new general was put in charge to defend Kherson and he's signaling that Russia is about to GTFO.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 19, 2022, 02:15:17 AM
F22's of our American friends deployed in the Netherlands

https://twitter.com/MarelRoland/status/1581628087770284032 (https://twitter.com/MarelRoland/status/1581628087770284032)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HardcoreRetro on October 19, 2022, 04:45:11 AM
Quote from: Nintex on October 18, 2022, 05:45:10 PM
Russia is insanity.

Fixed that for you. The onus is on them to get the fuck out of a country that's not theirs. The bal has been in their park since the start.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on October 19, 2022, 12:22:15 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 19, 2022, 02:15:17 AM
F22's of our American friends deployed in the Netherlands

https://twitter.com/MarelRoland/status/1581628087770284032 (https://twitter.com/MarelRoland/status/1581628087770284032)

Finally those Dutch farmers will be dealt with.

 :ohhh

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on October 19, 2022, 12:52:38 PM
Quote
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63318157

Quote
Suella Braverman has resigned as home secretary after sending an official document to a parliamentary colleague using her personal email.

Ms Braverman acknowledged this was a "technical infringement" of rules.

She said people should accept responsibility for mistakes and added - in what will be seen as criticism of the PM - "pretending we haven't made mistakes... is not serious politics.

She also used her resignation letter to attack Liz Truss's policies.

Writing to Ms Truss, she said: "I have concerns about the direction of this government.

"Not only have we broken key pledges that were promised to our voters, but I have had serious concerns about this government's commitment to honouring manifesto commitments, such as reducing overall migration numbers and stopping illegal migration, particularly the dangerous small boats crossings."

:lol

Replaced by Shapps, who was a major Sunak backer and got sacked from his role as transport minister by Truss when she took over No10 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 19, 2022, 02:25:55 PM
Quote from: Sman on October 19, 2022, 12:22:15 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 19, 2022, 02:15:17 AM
F22's of our American friends deployed in the Netherlands

https://twitter.com/MarelRoland/status/1581628087770284032 (https://twitter.com/MarelRoland/status/1581628087770284032)

Finally those Dutch farmers will be dealt with.

 :ohhh
(https://i.imgflip.com/6xiry9.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 19, 2022, 02:40:28 PM
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1582802816544178176 (https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1582802816544178176)

https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1582800478894960640 (https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1582800478894960640)

https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1582803182270713856 (https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1582803182270713856)

 :gbcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on October 19, 2022, 04:17:58 PM
https://twitter.com/PoliticsMoments/status/1582807519923437568

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 19, 2022, 05:07:46 PM
https://twitter.com/JohnnyMercerUK/status/1582829583757295616 (https://twitter.com/JohnnyMercerUK/status/1582829583757295616)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 19, 2022, 05:24:10 PM
Rumors that Truss will resign within 24 hours. I doubt she'll go that easily but we'll see.
Will the Tories put deadbeat dad Sunak or Hunt in next? How long will the next PM last? 48 hours?

Most people would probably prefer a general election but if it would be organized with Truss as PM she'd be caretaker until elections can be organized.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 19, 2022, 05:54:16 PM
I think even some Tory MPs have come around to the fact that their time in government is over.

We'd have probably been here last march/April if Ukraine didn't happen and buy Boris some more time.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on October 19, 2022, 10:06:12 PM
Damn, takes a lot of frustration to just eviscerate your own party like that on camera.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on October 19, 2022, 11:50:09 PM
How it started
https://twitter.com/GGrimalda/status/1582790445830062080 (https://twitter.com/GGrimalda/status/1582790445830062080)


How it's going

https://twitter.com/GGrimalda/status/1582826499765284864 (https://twitter.com/GGrimalda/status/1582826499765284864)

LOL, shit your pants to save the climate
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on October 19, 2022, 11:57:11 PM
I'm glad he only glued one hand so he can continue to bravely tweet.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on October 20, 2022, 02:33:36 AM
Remembered to pack the lab coats and glue...forgot the shit/piss bucket and blankets...
spoiler (click to show/hide)
and apparently the food and water to a hunger strike  :confused
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Snoopycat_ on October 20, 2022, 09:01:59 AM
The lettuce won. Lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 20, 2022, 09:06:33 AM
:dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 20, 2022, 09:33:15 AM
:titus
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HaughtyFrank on October 20, 2022, 09:42:27 AM
Just what the hell is happening in the UK  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: jorma on October 20, 2022, 09:44:40 AM
Quote from: Raist on October 19, 2022, 12:52:38 PM
Quote
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63318157

Quote
Suella Braverman has resigned as home secretary after sending an official document to a parliamentary colleague using her personal email.

Ms Braverman acknowledged this was a "technical infringement" of rules.

She said people should accept responsibility for mistakes and added - in what will be seen as criticism of the PM - "pretending we haven't made mistakes... is not serious politics.

She also used her resignation letter to attack Liz Truss's policies.

Writing to Ms Truss, she said: "I have concerns about the direction of this government.

"Not only have we broken key pledges that were promised to our voters, but I have had serious concerns about this government's commitment to honouring manifesto commitments, such as reducing overall migration numbers and stopping illegal migration, particularly the dangerous small boats crossings."

:lol

Replaced by Shapps, who was a major Sunak backer and got sacked from his role as transport minister by Truss when she took over No10 :lol

shots fired at all the people who thinks that running the department of state from a server in your own basement is a normal thing to do  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: jorma on October 20, 2022, 09:45:28 AM
Quote from: HaughtyFrank on October 20, 2022, 09:42:27 AM
Just what the hell is happening in the UK  :lol

just brexit things  :nothing
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on October 20, 2022, 10:12:22 AM
Quote from: HaughtyFrank on October 20, 2022, 09:42:27 AM
Just what the hell is happening in the UK  :lol

Go anti woke go broke
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Maiden Voyage on October 20, 2022, 11:20:08 AM
Quote from: HaughtyFrank on October 20, 2022, 09:42:27 AM
Just what the hell is happening in the UK  :lol

Were things this chaotic before Brexit? I don't normally follow international politics but UK has been unavoidable lately.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: jorma on October 20, 2022, 11:29:37 AM
Quote from: Maiden Voyage on October 20, 2022, 11:20:08 AM
Quote from: HaughtyFrank on October 20, 2022, 09:42:27 AM
Just what the hell is happening in the UK  :lol

Were things this chaotic before Brexit? I don't normally follow international politics but UK has been unavoidable lately.

well i hear that boris is currently the favourite to succeed so i don't expect the circus to wind down anytime soon  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on October 20, 2022, 12:39:42 PM
Whats Tony Blair up to, we might need him to fight Russia
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 20, 2022, 01:19:51 PM
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1583091554574831617 (https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1583091554574831617)

https://twitter.com/PeterStefanovi2/status/1583084222662602752 (https://twitter.com/PeterStefanovi2/status/1583084222662602752)

No election, just bring back Boris :patel
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on October 20, 2022, 01:45:25 PM
https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1583147031022796800

 :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 20, 2022, 01:51:53 PM
When I was watching the BBC this morning, they kept saying 'This is the shortest time in office since Canning...who died while in office.'  Did this like three times then 'We have a correction to make, Canning...who died while in office ... actually served 119 days, making Truss the shortest serving PM'. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 20, 2022, 02:12:07 PM
https://twitter.com/leonardocarella/status/1583075272852525056
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 20, 2022, 02:12:11 PM
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1583106362040778753 (https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1583106362040778753)

oops  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on October 20, 2022, 03:53:24 PM
wtf

https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1583172386702049281
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 20, 2022, 04:03:49 PM
https://twitter.com/Geri_E_L_Scott/status/1583182279546765312 (https://twitter.com/Geri_E_L_Scott/status/1583182279546765312)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfhpxYZXoAIhym5?format=jpg)

https://twitter.com/andreajenkyns/status/1583107414295195648 (https://twitter.com/andreajenkyns/status/1583107414295195648)

https://twitter.com/LadyRebecca_1/status/1583129397770727426 (https://twitter.com/LadyRebecca_1/status/1583129397770727426)

They are actually doing this  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HaughtyFrank on October 20, 2022, 04:07:40 PM
At this point they should invoke the "King Ralph" protocol in which a random american gets selected to lead the country. It wouldn't be any worse.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 20, 2022, 06:35:55 PM
https://twitter.com/Ukraine/status/1583209400671809537 (https://twitter.com/Ukraine/status/1583209400671809537)

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1583212936184692737 (https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1583212936184692737)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on October 20, 2022, 09:56:52 PM
Does anyone know if the Conservative Party bylaws allow a member to nominate a head of lettuce for leader?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on October 21, 2022, 12:26:04 AM
Quote from: Nintex on October 20, 2022, 04:03:49 PM
https://twitter.com/Geri_E_L_Scott/status/1583182279546765312 (https://twitter.com/Geri_E_L_Scott/status/1583182279546765312)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfhpxYZXoAIhym5?format=jpg)

https://twitter.com/andreajenkyns/status/1583107414295195648 (https://twitter.com/andreajenkyns/status/1583107414295195648)

https://twitter.com/LadyRebecca_1/status/1583129397770727426 (https://twitter.com/LadyRebecca_1/status/1583129397770727426)

They are actually doing this  :doge

Always sad to see someone return to an abusive relationship. As if things are going to be better this time.

Help Britain. Help her leave Boris.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 21, 2022, 01:55:27 PM
https://twitter.com/EssexPR/status/1583440062309863425 (https://twitter.com/EssexPR/status/1583440062309863425)

Have these people been brainwashed by Facebook ads specifically targetted them or something.  :doge

https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1583464781603737601 (https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1583464781603737601)

https://twitter.com/theipaper/status/1583446016078270464 (https://twitter.com/theipaper/status/1583446016078270464)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 21, 2022, 03:36:59 PM
https://twitter.com/TelegraphWorld/status/1583421389809192960 (https://twitter.com/TelegraphWorld/status/1583421389809192960)

:juche
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on October 21, 2022, 03:54:00 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 21, 2022, 01:55:27 PM
https://twitter.com/theipaper/status/1583446016078270464 (https://twitter.com/theipaper/status/1583446016078270464)
"Defence secretary Ben Wallace"

can't make this shit up

DEEEEEEEEEETROIT BASKETBALL
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 21, 2022, 05:07:46 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FflITHuWAAE1VUH?format=jpg)

 :doge


Boris is coming home to reclaim his throne
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1583582343490478080 (https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1583582343490478080)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 22, 2022, 07:43:59 AM
https://twitter.com/pritipatel/status/1583781813499367425 (https://twitter.com/pritipatel/status/1583781813499367425)

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1583772565511999491 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1583772565511999491)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on October 22, 2022, 01:09:47 PM
I have always thought Priti Patel had a heart of stone.


But she looks cuddly next to Suella Braverman. :holeup






What can one do with this rotten Tory party...

(https://abload.de/img/aliens-hicks-500nndaq.jpg)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on October 22, 2022, 03:17:29 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63358627

Quote
Hu Jintao: The mysterious exit of China's former leader from party congress

Footage of China's former leader, Hu Jintao, being asked to leave the stage at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing during the Communist Party Congress is drawing global attention as people try to work out what has just happened.

There are a lot of questions and no answers so far from the Chinese government.

Chinese state news agency Xinhua reported that Mr Hu was escorted from the chamber after feeling unwell.

But Mr Hu, 79, appeared reluctant to move. If that is the case, why?

What did he say to the man who replaced him, Xi Jinping, which prompted a nod from China's current leader? And what did he say to his protégé, Li Keqiang, as he tapped him on the shoulder before being ushered off stage?

The two most likely reasons for his departure are that it was either part of China's power politics on full display, with a leader representing a former time being symbolically removed, or that Hu Jintao has serious health problems.

(https://i.imgur.com/MKVqbaW.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on October 22, 2022, 07:11:48 PM
Quote from: Uncle on October 22, 2022, 03:17:29 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63358627

Quote
Hu Jintao: The mysterious exit of China's former leader from party congress

Footage of China's former leader, Hu Jintao, being asked to leave the stage at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing during the Communist Party Congress is drawing global attention as people try to work out what has just happened.

There are a lot of questions and no answers so far from the Chinese government.

Chinese state news agency Xinhua reported that Mr Hu was escorted from the chamber after feeling unwell.

But Mr Hu, 79, appeared reluctant to move. If that is the case, why?

What did he say to the man who replaced him, Xi Jinping, which prompted a nod from China's current leader? And what did he say to his protégé, Li Keqiang, as he tapped him on the shoulder before being ushered off stage?

The two most likely reasons for his departure are that it was either part of China's power politics on full display, with a leader representing a former time being symbolically removed, or that Hu Jintao has serious health problems.

(https://i.imgur.com/MKVqbaW.png)
That look on Xi's face screams, "I've had enough of your bullshit".

He probably reminded Xi of the reasons for the two term limit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Transhuman on October 22, 2022, 07:20:10 PM
Actually i'm pretty sure that's just how he always looks.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 22, 2022, 07:36:13 PM
Xi is making moves fast. The commies are clearly getting ready to attack Taiwan and steal our computer chips :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on October 22, 2022, 07:45:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlWzBgsDOqY
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on October 22, 2022, 10:13:43 PM
Quote from: Uncle on October 22, 2022, 03:17:29 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63358627

Quote
Footage of China's former leader, Hu Jintao, being asked to leave the stage at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing during the Communist Party Congress is drawing global attention as people try to work out what has just happened.

...

The two most likely reasons for his departure are that it was either part of China's power politics on full display, with a leader representing a former time being symbolically removed, or that Hu Jintao has serious health problems.
The worst part about democracy coming to large countries and freeing millions or more people from oppression is that it puts Kremlinologists out of jobs.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HaughtyFrank on October 23, 2022, 07:35:45 AM
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1584084747470266368

I'm jealous
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Maiden Voyage on October 23, 2022, 08:05:50 AM
Quote from: HaughtyFrank on October 23, 2022, 07:35:45 AM
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1584084747470266368

I'm jealous

Fiscal responsibility in action.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HardcoreRetro on October 23, 2022, 08:12:16 AM
Barely 6 figures a year? She's basically dirt poor. Won't even be able to afford her morning iced oat milk latte. :(
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on October 23, 2022, 08:32:33 AM
Quote from: Nintex on October 22, 2022, 07:36:13 PM
Xi is making moves fast. The commies are clearly getting ready to attack Taiwan and steal our computer chips :fbm
https://www.epsilontheory.com/taiwan-is-now-arrakis/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 23, 2022, 08:54:10 AM
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1584149647651504128 (https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1584149647651504128)

https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1584151255059812352 (https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1584151255059812352)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 23, 2022, 11:50:11 AM
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1584202556124774400 (https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1584202556124774400)

:pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on October 23, 2022, 05:27:36 PM
Queen Liz is pissed that Boris is out, and is now haunting the UK

https://twitter.com/Met4CastUK/status/1584244801041403904
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 23, 2022, 05:31:02 PM
Boris is smarter than most of them.
He knows now is not the time. Things will get worse and whoever is in office will take the blame and won't make it to the next election.

https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1584273604594008065 (https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1584273604594008065)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Snoopycat_ on October 23, 2022, 08:29:39 PM
Rushed back from his holiday just to tell everyone now is not the time

(https://i.imgur.com/9T0V5gA.gif)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on October 23, 2022, 11:37:17 PM
Knives are out:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FftAVktaEAEttHB?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on October 24, 2022, 09:59:13 AM
Prime minister Sunak.  :whew

Talented guy, awful politician though.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on October 24, 2022, 12:09:19 PM
:brain  GLOBALISTS WIN  :brain
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 24, 2022, 01:20:52 PM
Sunak has $828 million. At this point he's just cutting out the middle man.

From what I've seen of him policy wise he's going to take a sledgehammer to social security and welfare.


https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1584597418427191296 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1584597418427191296)

These clowns are really planning to detonate a nuke and blame it on someone else  :doge
https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/1584547788335251462 (https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/1584547788335251462)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 24, 2022, 03:35:55 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-63327087

Sunak it is
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 24, 2022, 04:11:43 PM
https://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/1584535572441620483 (https://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/1584535572441620483)

https://twitter.com/NoContextBrits/status/1584570243678363648 (https://twitter.com/NoContextBrits/status/1584570243678363648)

:neo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: tiesto on October 24, 2022, 04:30:37 PM
Quote from: who is ted danson? on October 23, 2022, 05:27:36 PM
Queen Liz is pissed that Boris is out, and is now haunting the UK

https://twitter.com/Met4CastUK/status/1584244801041403904

Croydon, you say? Those winds are probably just the residual effects of dubstep bass.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 24, 2022, 06:13:14 PM
https://twitter.com/MahyarTousi/status/1584579543800500227 (https://twitter.com/MahyarTousi/status/1584579543800500227)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2022, 10:12:22 PM
https://twitter.com/a_drewsky/status/1583082040932474880
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on October 25, 2022, 02:35:45 PM
So remember the Home Secretary under Truss, who dun goofed by emailing sensitive docs using her private email to people who should not have got those (clear breach of the code)?

And thus resigned just before Truss imploded because "Pretending we haven’t made mistakes, carrying on as if everyone can’t see that we have made them, and hoping that things will magically come right is not serious politics. I have made a mistake; I accept responsibility; I resign"

Well well...


https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1584937651492093952


:lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 25, 2022, 04:12:37 PM
They just needed an excuse, any excuse, to get rid of Truss.

Would not surprise me if Rishi himself shorted the pound with the help of his hedgefund buddies.  :lol


https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1584999183240417280 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1584999183240417280)
This route doesn't even make sense.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on October 25, 2022, 04:37:47 PM
? > Turkey > Mainland Russia > Kaliningrad > Poland, I guess.


edit:  :biden :derp

https://www.tiktok.com/@maz_bonafide/video/7158296040196640006
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 25, 2022, 06:19:52 PM
Russia has now turned 'denazification' into 'desatanization' .

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1584990975973216258 (https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1584990975973216258)

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1584930049480085505 (https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1584930049480085505)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Snoopycat_ on October 25, 2022, 08:13:34 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/oPY1qJb.jpg?1)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on October 25, 2022, 11:01:34 PM
Quote from: Snoopycat_ on October 25, 2022, 08:13:34 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/oPY1qJb.jpg?1)
I wonder what Barry's father, who probably fought against the Germans in WWII, thinks of his Hitler moustache?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on October 26, 2022, 03:41:31 AM
His father would have to be ~100, I doubt he's alive.
Barry is clear on the matter:

https://twitter.com/barrystantonGBP/status/1584656057271349249
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on October 26, 2022, 06:16:56 AM
These people really are that fucking stupid
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Snoopycat_ on October 26, 2022, 07:18:11 AM
The people Barry's laughing at would probably vote him into office
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on October 26, 2022, 07:24:28 AM
It's not a "real" account, as in, the name and profile image belong to someone else.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IJzdZEf6A0
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/grandad-bombarded-messages-prankster-used-picture-create-viral-racist-barry-stanton-profile-075552147.html
I am surprised twitter still hasn't deleted the account 4 years later.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 26, 2022, 01:40:40 PM
The Russian nuclear strike plan is coming together.

They plan to launch a nuke at Chernobyl and blame it on Ukraine.
Considering the expected wind direction this would be very bad news for Belarus and pull them into the war.
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1585310085840261126 (https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1585310085840261126)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on October 26, 2022, 02:20:26 PM
:pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 26, 2022, 02:54:05 PM
This doesn't seem like the most cunning of plans :doge

Or one that doesn't have a strong chance of going tits up.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on October 26, 2022, 04:40:27 PM
:lol

https://twitter.com/govSlovenia/status/1584936237806206976
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 26, 2022, 05:32:42 PM
I'm not sure what the more scary scenario is.

A) The FSB is actually doing this to escalate the war and increase public support like they did with the Moscow bombings in the 90's

B) Russia is worried that Kadyrov, Wagner, Girkin or some other rogue element of the Z-army might set off a 'dirty bomb' and the story is PR damage control to protect the regime in case it happens

C) Russia is trying to scare Ukraine into halting the Kherson offensive and they need something 'big' like a nuclear threat to cover up their retreat

D) Russia is trying to provoke NATO to fire the first shot but hopes they can shift the blame to Ukraine if that happens
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on October 26, 2022, 05:40:04 PM
Quote from: Occam on October 26, 2022, 07:24:28 AM
It's not a "real" account, as in, the name and profile image image belong to someone else.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IJzdZEf6A0
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/grandad-bombarded-messages-prankster-used-picture-create-viral-racist-barry-stanton-profile-075552147.html
I am surprised twitter still hasn't deleted the account 4 years later.
That's Twatter for you. Banned me for calling out jshrieker on his bullshit, but Hitler parody accounts go on without issue
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2022, 01:22:04 AM
https://twitter.com/tomgara/status/1584565847112437762

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https://twitter.com/tomgara/status/1584592559523102721
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https://twitter.com/JCColtin/status/1584567875838545922
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 27, 2022, 06:54:53 PM
https://twitter.com/theconvocouch/status/1585654643123552256 (https://twitter.com/theconvocouch/status/1585654643123552256)

Putin actually fears Trump and Hillary ofc



He died like a dog :trumps

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 27, 2022, 07:42:26 PM
lmao it finally fucking happened.

A Dutch NGO has written a letter to the attorney general and the secretary of immigration and requests them to close the borders as more people living here means more nitrogen emissions which is bad for the climate and environment.  :lol
They have calculated that 1 person equals 1.83kg of nitrogen emissions  :tophat

https://twitter.com/RutgervdNoort/status/1585718011528642561 (https://twitter.com/RutgervdNoort/status/1585718011528642561)

Knowing our government they won't respond to these demands and thus the NGO will sue them next.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on October 27, 2022, 09:44:26 PM
When you're so left you agree with far right policies
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on October 27, 2022, 09:50:49 PM
Hitler was a climate warrior. The newest edition of Hitler Monthly has a real deep dive into the lifetime carbon emissions of people, and you'd be surprised to find that some races naturally emit more than others.

Also, blond folks actually reflect the light back to space, which lowers the temperature of the planet.


spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://i.redd.it/9cjr36gptwv91.jpg)
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BrokenVerses on October 28, 2022, 01:16:37 PM
As of Month 8 of the three day Special Military Operation, Russia has lost an impressive 25% of their KA-52 attack helicopter fleet. Bravo, Putin!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 28, 2022, 01:29:22 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 27, 2022, 01:22:04 AM
https://twitter.com/tomgara/status/1584565847112437762

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https://twitter.com/tomgara/status/1584592559523102721
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https://twitter.com/JCColtin/status/1584567875838545922
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Sunak is a Putin 5'7

tbf I wouldn't be shocked if all of them were under 5'7, which is the size all short men give :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2022, 11:40:51 PM
https://twitter.com/BeijingPalmer/status/1585032100650307585
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 29, 2022, 05:29:56 PM
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1586395220476039168 (https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1586395220476039168)

The propagandists have started to fight eachother.

It's over.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 29, 2022, 05:42:46 PM
Something from my neck of the woods

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/27/canadian-province-under-scrutiny-inviting-murderer-session-violent-crime

Canada conservatives under scrutiny for inviting murderer to tough-on-crime speech

Ex-provincial minister convicted over death of his wife attended speech arguing government is ‘too lenient’ on violent offenders
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 29, 2022, 06:00:54 PM
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1586413782833807360 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1586413782833807360)

Ukraine used drones to attack the black sea fleet now Russia comes running to the UN  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 30, 2022, 11:03:37 AM
The blyat krieg continues.
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1586662972386156544 (https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1586662972386156544)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on October 30, 2022, 06:42:22 PM
Brazil went commie
CIA you know what to do
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on October 30, 2022, 07:43:19 PM
Very glad Brazil got rid of Bolsonaro.
"[Da Silva] won 50.83 percent of the votes, versus Mr. Bolsonaro’s 49.17 percent"
(NYT)

Amazing that despite everything so many people still voted for Bolsonaro, aka one of the biggest morons ever to be elected president of anything.
Wanna bet he's going to pull a Former Guy next and claim he was cheated?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 30, 2022, 08:16:22 PM
Congratulations to big oil and big construction.
Brazil can now slide down the path of Venezuela.

The polls had this dead wrong at 60/40 in the first round for Lula.

All the scare mongering about Bolsonaro was ridiculous. A dog with a bark but no bite.
The press pretended they had elected Brazilian Hitler, while he was more like Brazilian Yeltsin.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on October 30, 2022, 08:30:54 PM
"Lula has pledged to put a halt to illegal deforestation in the Amazon, and once again has prominent environmentalist Marina Silva by his side, years after a public falling out when she was his environment minister. The president-elect has already pledged to install a ministry for Brazil’s original peoples, which will be run by an Indigenous person."
(Guardian)

Excellent. I certainly hope he actually does it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on October 30, 2022, 08:33:03 PM
So, Trump out, Johnson out, Bolsonaro out.
Idiocracy is having a hard time.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 30, 2022, 08:50:52 PM
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1586850879671508992 (https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1586850879671508992)

No wonder everything is going to shit
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgWTBGXXoAY_hIt?format=jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on October 30, 2022, 09:13:32 PM
Quote from: Occam on October 30, 2022, 08:33:03 PM
So, Trump out, Johnson out, Bolsonaro out.
Idiocracy is having a hard time.

The conservatard movement has run its course.

Nintex and himu left to grasp at straws.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 30, 2022, 09:18:09 PM
It's clear that peeps want austerity 2.0, Chinese like lockdowns and social credit systems.

They call this 'stability' and it's appealing to a lot of voters who cannot think for themselves.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on October 30, 2022, 09:28:00 PM
As we have previously established, voters who cannot think for themselves tend to vote "conservative".
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on October 30, 2022, 10:32:41 PM
Quote from: Occam on October 30, 2022, 08:30:54 PM
"Lula has pledged to put a halt to illegal deforestation in the Amazon, and once again has prominent environmentalist Marina Silva by his side, years after a public falling out when she was his environment minister. The president-elect has already pledged to install a ministry for Brazil’s original peoples, which will be run by an Indigenous person."
(Guardian)

Excellent. I certainly hope he actually does it.

You can finally return home from the front.

Thank you for your service  :salute
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2022, 10:36:29 PM
Quote from: who is ted danson? on October 30, 2022, 06:42:22 PM
Brazil went commie
CIA you know what to do
They're powerless, the liberal truckers will run them off the road.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on October 30, 2022, 11:12:21 PM
Quote from: Occam on October 30, 2022, 09:28:00 PM
As we have previously established, voters who cannot think for themselves tend to vote "conservative".
Stupidity knows no political boundaries as evidenced by Reeeeesetera
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on October 31, 2022, 06:46:18 AM
As expected Russia is throwing a tantrum after the attacks on Sevastopol / the black sea fleet.

This morning they launched 50+ cruise missiles on multiple cities.

They also "cancelled" the grain shipping deal.

Looks like the response is "go on then I fucking dare you".

https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/1587008850166775808
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on October 31, 2022, 10:52:33 AM
Quote from: Nintex on October 30, 2022, 08:50:52 PM


No wonder everything is going to shit
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgWTBGXXoAY_hIt?format=jpg)

 :putin

"I'm right-wing, never lose elections and I put my missil... money where my mouth is.

Why do you forsake me, my son?"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on October 31, 2022, 11:38:05 AM
Odd that theres no media talk about how theres a 50% chance of a military coup in Brazil. Its like none of them took LATAM History.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 31, 2022, 02:41:55 PM
Quote from: Raist on October 31, 2022, 06:46:18 AM
As expected Russia is throwing a tantrum after the attacks on Sevastopol / the black sea fleet.

This morning they launched 50+ cruise missiles on multiple cities.

They also "cancelled" the grain shipping deal.

Looks like the response is "go on then I fucking dare you".

https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/1587008850166775808

And the Russian response is:  Fuck around and find out

https://twitter.com/Hromadske/status/1587116305789984771 (https://twitter.com/Hromadske/status/1587116305789984771)

But despite their best efforts, Erdogan controls the black sea now
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 31, 2022, 04:46:21 PM
https://twitter.com/FT/status/1587167548788932610 (https://twitter.com/FT/status/1587167548788932610)

Austerity and higher taxes literally the worst of both worlds :girlaff
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on October 31, 2022, 05:53:43 PM
https://twitter.com/ElectionLegal/status/1586934950678388742

NONE OF THESE FUCKERS ARE OVER 5'5"

 :ltg
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on October 31, 2022, 05:55:28 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 31, 2022, 02:41:55 PM
Quote from: Raist on October 31, 2022, 06:46:18 AM
As expected Russia is throwing a tantrum after the attacks on Sevastopol / the black sea fleet.

This morning they launched 50+ cruise missiles on multiple cities.

They also "cancelled" the grain shipping deal.

Looks like the response is "go on then I fucking dare you".

https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/1587008850166775808

And the Russian response is:  Fuck around and find out

https://twitter.com/Hromadske/status/1587116305789984771 (https://twitter.com/Hromadske/status/1587116305789984771)

But despite their best efforts, Erdogan controls the black sea now

https://twitter.com/abokaseered/status/1587190397062844420
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 31, 2022, 06:40:14 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FganGGjWYAYMJsl?format=jpg)

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2022, 05:14:27 PM
The destruction of the Russian federation and the country becoming a Chinese vassal state

Collapse of the Chinese economy

Biden achieving what Kennedy, LBJ, and Nixon could only dream of   :doge


China can't afford to help Russia post-war and neither can Europe.

More likely that the Wagner faction takes control and Russia becomes an isolated xenophobic military dictatorship of guns for hire.
Basically North Korea with nukes run by mercenaries fighting civil wars both in Russia and Russian aligned countries in Africa, the Balkans and other places.
Russia has no liberal opposition as the "liberals" with ties to the west were the ones who are now calling for war (Medvedev, Solovyov) and the nationalist leader (Navalny) is in jail.
The communists were neutered by Putin years ago and are just controlled opposition. With Putin Shoigu is barely hanging on and without Putin he's toast.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on November 01, 2022, 01:53:17 AM
Quote
As Russia’s tactics have altered, so has what the Ukrainian military needs to wage war, and what its Western backers are supplying. Early on, shoulder-fired antitank missiles were the critical need. Then it was long-range and precision artillery.

Now air defense systems are paramount — though the ones Ukraine already had have performed well — and the United States and others have promised more.

The Ukrainian military said Russia fired 55 missiles on Monday, 45 of which were shot down.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/31/world/europe/russia-ukraine-kyiv-water.html


Is there any estimate how many of those missiles Russia has left? Presumably tens of thousands? Meaning this could go on for a long time before Russia needs to stop in order not to become defenseless.

I'd also like to know how much of its military equipment Russia has lost so far. More than 30 percent?
There is a website that keeps track of Russian losses, but it's based on Ukrainian numbers and apparently quite inflated:
https://uawar.net/stats
For instance, that website lists 2,600 tanks lost, whereas other sources say it's 1,400.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on November 01, 2022, 03:14:10 AM
Quote from: Occam on November 01, 2022, 01:53:17 AM
Quote
As Russia’s tactics have altered, so has what the Ukrainian military needs to wage war, and what its Western backers are supplying. Early on, shoulder-fired antitank missiles were the critical need. Then it was long-range and precision artillery.

Now air defense systems are paramount — though the ones Ukraine already had have performed well — and the United States and others have promised more.

The Ukrainian military said Russia fired 55 missiles on Monday, 45 of which were shot down.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/31/world/europe/russia-ukraine-kyiv-water.html


Is there any estimate how many of those missiles Russia has left? Presumably tens of thousands? Meaning this could go on for a long time before Russia needs to stop in order not to become defenseless.

I'd also like to know how much of its military equipment Russia has lost so far. More than 30 percent?
There is a website that keeps track of Russian losses, but it's based on Ukrainian numbers and apparently quite inflated:
https://uawar.net/stats
For instance, that website lists 2,600 tanks lost, whereas other sources say it's 1,400.

Some dude from the Daily Telegraph said Russia was estimated to have over 400 cruise missiles before February 2022. They have fired around 200 of those so far. You do the math. With Western sanctions, Russia's ability to import the high tech components to manufacture new ones is severely limited, if not impossible.

Hence the purchase of Iranian drones...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on November 01, 2022, 04:18:31 AM
Quote from: Occam on November 01, 2022, 01:53:17 AM
Quote
As Russia’s tactics have altered, so has what the Ukrainian military needs to wage war, and what its Western backers are supplying. Early on, shoulder-fired antitank missiles were the critical need. Then it was long-range and precision artillery.

Now air defense systems are paramount — though the ones Ukraine already had have performed well — and the United States and others have promised more.

The Ukrainian military said Russia fired 55 missiles on Monday, 45 of which were shot down.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/31/world/europe/russia-ukraine-kyiv-water.html


Is there any estimate how many of those missiles Russia has left? Presumably tens of thousands? Meaning this could go on for a long time before Russia needs to stop in order not to become defenseless.

I'd also like to know how much of its military equipment Russia has lost so far. More than 30 percent?
There is a website that keeps track of Russian losses, but it's based on Ukrainian numbers and apparently quite inflated:
https://uawar.net/stats
For instance, that website lists 2,600 tanks lost, whereas other sources say it's 1,400.


Lol no, hundreds not tens of thousands.

As for equipment losses, that latter number is the independently, visually confirmed tanks. So it's likely that the number is higher than that, but of course it may not be as high as the one claimed by Ukraine.

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on November 01, 2022, 06:55:43 AM
I had no idea they had that few cruise missiles. Crazy they started a war without a larger stockpile. They obviously did not expect global sanctions to hit them the way they did.

@Raist
Yeah, I found the same website looking for more realistic numbers.
This is a good summary of the information: https://www.outono.net/elentir/2022/10/26/russias-tank-losses-in-ukraine-some-data-from-2021-to-verify-hoy-serious-they-are/

And "Citing an open-source intelligence report from military experts, Lenta.ru reported that the Russian Army has in total 2685 main battle tanks in their active inventory." (2020)
https://defence-blog.com/revealed-number-of-main-battle-tanks-in-russia/

Of course as explained by outono.net  Russia also has thousands more of outdated (50+ years old) tanks in storage, but most of those may not be functional and have little combat value.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on November 01, 2022, 06:58:14 AM
I mean. They expected to roll over Ukraine in under a week so...

They've been pulling ancient artifacts out of storage, I doubt that 2.8k figure took that into account.
Nevermind the exact number, those are absolutely catastrophic losses anyway and they won't recover for decades.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on November 01, 2022, 07:07:14 AM
Agreed. And it's not a matter of money. No amount of money can get them new materiel right now.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 01, 2022, 03:03:20 PM
https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1587482145488080901 (https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1587482145488080901)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 01, 2022, 06:59:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkT3KeVVBc

Great interview with Boris about the war
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on November 01, 2022, 07:47:28 PM
Quote from: Nintex on November 01, 2022, 03:03:20 PM
https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1587482145488080901 (https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1587482145488080901)

Who's Iran?  Can't remember.   Might need a little oil to jog the 'ol memory, I'm losing it these days.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 01, 2022, 08:04:23 PM
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1587579213258887168
 (https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1587579213258887168)
They've put up their flag of revenge, hang on to your butts.

It's a classic wag the dog thing.


Strikes on Saudi oil would really help the Russians too.

https://twitter.com/samkimasia/status/1587595208799047681 (https://twitter.com/samkimasia/status/1587595208799047681)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on November 01, 2022, 11:29:21 PM
Its a shame we cant help Saudia Arabia because oil is too expensive to run the ships and planes oh well
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 02, 2022, 03:53:13 AM
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1587712216798822400 (https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1587712216798822400)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on November 02, 2022, 09:22:34 AM
lelz.

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1587750829301317634



Bonus  :rethread

https://twitter.com/briebriejoy/status/1587144424097808384



Bonus :derp

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1587429372465651712
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on November 02, 2022, 02:01:54 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/pmDf86a.jpeg)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/02/china-bans-celebrities-lapsed-morals-endorsing-products
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 02, 2022, 02:08:35 PM
Bolsonaro isn't challenging the election but people just aren't happy the left put the corrupt communist in office again considering how things went last time.

https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1587859827417665548 (https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1587859827417665548)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on November 02, 2022, 02:56:52 PM
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1587733660597370881

:pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on November 02, 2022, 03:09:33 PM
Quote
Revealed: Migrant centre petrol bomber was Joker-obsessed, far-Right-supporting cannabis smoker, 66, who had battled bouts of mental illness 'since his son died after Covid jab and he lost his penis to cancer'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11379761/Migrant-centre-petrol-bomber-Joker-obsessed-far-Right-supporting-cannabis-smoker.html

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 02, 2022, 03:16:58 PM
https://twitter.com/Thereporter09/status/1587867813766651910 (https://twitter.com/Thereporter09/status/1587867813766651910)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 02, 2022, 04:28:53 PM
https://twitter.com/JamWaterhouse/status/1587762066823303172 (https://twitter.com/JamWaterhouse/status/1587762066823303172)

Crazy to see that diplomacy has been outsourced to Erdogan of all people.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on November 02, 2022, 04:31:07 PM
I'm sorry I cannot read Erdogan without picturing a little cartoon character named Ergo Dan
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on November 02, 2022, 04:39:43 PM
Quote from: Uncle on November 02, 2022, 02:01:54 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/pmDf86a.jpeg)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/02/china-bans-celebrities-lapsed-morals-endorsing-products
Not a dystopia at all.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 02, 2022, 07:00:12 PM
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1587941482870226949 (https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1587941482870226949)

They're doing these daily now.


https://twitter.com/FirstSquawk/status/1587886595197526016 (https://twitter.com/FirstSquawk/status/1587886595197526016)

lmao
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on November 03, 2022, 12:44:02 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/BrUnfiltered/status/1587837423320449028
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on November 03, 2022, 02:10:57 AM
It's Brazil...they're probably second generation Nazis
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on November 03, 2022, 11:04:09 AM
Still laughing at Bolsonaro pretending to be a strong man for years and then folding like a little snowflake

 :girlaff :girlaff :girlaff

Years of sucking up to the military and when we calls in the coup they say "nah we good with the 76 year old commie"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on November 03, 2022, 11:14:15 AM
Ukraine thanks Germany for Gepard and Iris

https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1587738320477503489

and asks for Leopard tanks.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: chronovore on November 04, 2022, 02:28:35 AM
Quote from: who is ted danson? on October 30, 2022, 06:42:22 PM
Brazil went commie
CIA you know what to do

Lula was responsible for the flourishing of a middle class when he was last in office. Yes, corruption, I suspect any government will expose roaches and pillbugs when the carpet is pulled up.

Quote from: Occam on October 30, 2022, 07:43:19 PM
Very glad Brazil got rid of Bolsonaro.
"[Da Silva] won 50.83 percent of the votes, versus Mr. Bolsonaro’s 49.17 percent"
(NYT)

Amazing that despite everything so many people still voted for Bolsonaro, aka one of the biggest morons ever to be elected president of anything.
Wanna bet he's going to pull a Former Guy next and claim he was cheated?
Bolsonaro has already ceded victory, according to the News. Trump was still claiming victory even as the eviction squad showed up to fumigate the White House.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on November 04, 2022, 02:48:01 AM
Yes, surprising. After claiming for months there'd be fraud he decided not to go that way after all. Maybe Bolsonaro saw that there was no benefit in it; after all Trump did not get reinstated, he just further damaged US democracy. Bolsonaro probably thinks he has a better chance of making a comeback later on by not acting like a sore loser now.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on November 04, 2022, 03:34:11 AM
Or maybe the whole idea was a figment of the lefties' imagination?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on November 04, 2022, 04:22:51 AM
Come on now.

"Since his 2018 election victory, Bolsonaro has made baseless allegations of voter fraud in Brazil, which critics say could lay the groundwork to challenge upcoming elections in the same vein as his political idol, former U.S. President Donald Trump."
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/brazils-bolsonaro-says-he-wont-hand-over-presidency-if-there-is-vote-fraud-2021-07-01/

"Meanwhile, Bolsonaro has been pushing baseless lies about the integrity of the election for months, wrongly stating that voting machines in the country cannot be trusted to deliver a true outcome. On Sunday, after polling lower than da Silva in the election’s first round, Bolsonaro claimed without evidence that election administrators had rigged the outcome.

“They took sides. They have a candidate for president,” Bolsonaro said. “Or at least there’s one they don’t want, which is me.”"
https://truthout.org/articles/bolsonaro-pushes-brazenly-false-claims-of-election-fraud-after-first-round-loss/

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on November 04, 2022, 05:34:20 AM
Yet his actions say otherwise. Until he disputes the result, the accusation is baseless.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on November 04, 2022, 08:20:35 AM
Are you kidding me?
I quoted his own words above. He has been spreading baseless lies about election fraud supposedly targeting him for several years, and did so again after the first round of the cuerrent presidential election, disputing its legitimacy. Those were his actions. The distribution of lies. He just decided to back down now, for whatever reason.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 04, 2022, 08:21:39 AM
Making a prediction based on evidence of past history doesn't make it baseless or a figment of one's imagination just because the prediction turned out wrong. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 04, 2022, 01:29:09 PM
Bolsonaro was never going to challenge the election outcome. He spend most of his presidency in a hospital bed.  :lol

His presidency had the intended outcome because after decades of one-party rule Bolsonaro turned a one-man show into a viable opposition party.
Lula has won the presidency but only has the support of a single region. He's boxed in and will have to make deals with others unlike during his previous terms.
The commie grandpa act while taking bribes from oil and construction companies isn't going to work this time.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on November 04, 2022, 01:31:11 PM
In more heartwarming news, Netanyahu is back (soon) baby :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on November 04, 2022, 01:35:14 PM
Quote from: Nintex on November 04, 2022, 01:29:09 PM
His presidency had the intended outcome because after decades of one-party rule

Nintex, your account is more amusing when you dont lie.


1985-1989 - MDB
1989-1995 - AGIR
1994-2002 - PSDB
2002-2016 - PT
2016-2018 - MDB
2018-2022 - PL


Calling Brazil one party rule when theres like 100 parties flipping and flopping constantly is peek idiocy

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/mh3iu7m0dbvoq6qhlbnw6s477410lx5.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 04, 2022, 01:50:22 PM
This is a great documentary on the subject

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLe24M_PB5E

Lula simply struck a deal with the people already in control and that would come back to haunt him when the anime betrayal happened.
After Bolso was elected he did not 'join' the existing parties as a puppet of the existing elite like everyone (including this documentary maker) expected but instead started his own party.

Quote from: Pissy F Benny on November 04, 2022, 01:31:11 PM
In more heartwarming news, Netanyahu is back (soon) baby :fbm

https://twitter.com/JoeTruzman/status/1588342772876316672 (https://twitter.com/JoeTruzman/status/1588342772876316672)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on November 05, 2022, 01:50:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tvhv0br_wqo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on November 05, 2022, 05:00:50 PM
Here's an interesting article on why right wing election fraud lies did not succed in Brazil:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/05/world/americas/brazil-election-us-democracy.html

A Brazilian supreme court judge led an aggressive campaign against misinformation, and it worked.
Unless modern clown-show "conservatives" are allowed to lie with impunity, they can not win elections.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 06, 2022, 08:15:03 AM
https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1589180389058555904 (https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1589180389058555904)

How to evacuate a city of 3 million?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on November 06, 2022, 01:23:29 PM
If it was the Russians, you know they would probably just send them to the front.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 06, 2022, 05:54:10 PM
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1589377623083229184 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1589377623083229184)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 07, 2022, 01:25:53 PM
Sunak rushed out of a climate conference

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-AWw5PeG04
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on November 07, 2022, 03:51:45 PM
Quote from: Nintex on November 07, 2022, 01:25:53 PM
Sunak rushed out of a climate conference

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-AWw5PeG04

Related to another Suella Braverman gaffe no doubt.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on November 08, 2022, 08:14:01 PM
https://japantoday.com/category/national/Japanese-gov%27t-seeking-power-to-turn-down-private-home-air-conditioners-remotely-report-says

Quote
TOKYO
For a large part of the year, the weather in Japan is far from comfortable. Winters are cold, and summers are hot and humid.

Those seasons could become even less comfortable, though, if a new plan from the Japanese government goes through. As reported by Japan’s Nihon Keizai Shimbun, in a meeting on Nov 2, the Energy Conservation Subcommittee of the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry resolved to begin working group discussions with the aim of gaining the ability to remotely turn down privately owned air conditioner/heater units. The goal would be to decrease energy usage during expected power shortages, which the committee feels are a growing concern as Japan attempts to shift towards renewable energy sources such as solar power, where the amount generated can be affected by day-to-day climate, making it difficult to stabilize the amount of total power available. The ministry says that AC unit usage accounts for roughly 30 percent of household electricity consumption in Japan.

From a technical standpoint, the plan wouldn’t be particularly difficult to implement. Japanese air conditioner units have long had remote controls, so external inputs aren’t a problem, and many models now allow the owner to turn the system on and off or adjust temperature settings through the internet. By asking manufacturers to extend such access to government regulatory organizations, and granting those organizations override functions over other inputs, the plan could easily be put into practice for internet-connected AC units, and water heaters are another home appliance the committee is looking to gain the ability to throttle back.

Winning over the minds of the public, though, isn’t likely to be as easy, as Twitter reactions to the news attest to.

“Creepy.”

“Are they crazy?”

“Playing God.”

“That’s the sort of idea you’d only come up with if you aren’t right in the head.”

“I’m glad the AC unit I just bought isn’t internet-connected.”

“Another great government idea.”

“Hey, government, isn’t it your job to make sure the power grid can support us?”

“So they’ll stop doing this when people start dying, right?”

The last comment might sound like hyperbole, but heatstroke deaths aren’t uncommon in Japan, with a heat wave a while back killing 79 people in Tokyo alone. According to Nihon Keizai Shimbun, the committee is currently working under the concept that the government would only be able to turn down AC units if their individual owners have agreed, in advance, to grant that authority.

 :japancry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2022, 09:08:12 PM
Quote from: Uncle on November 08, 2022, 08:14:01 PM
https://japantoday.com/category/national/Japanese-gov%27t-seeking-power-to-turn-down-private-home-air-conditioners-remotely-report-says

Quote
According to Nihon Keizai Shimbun, the committee is currently working under the concept that the government would only be able to turn down AC units if their individual owners have agreed, in advance, to grant that authority.
:jeanluc Those are the citizens we can trust, it's the others who we clearly need the power over.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on November 08, 2022, 09:36:59 PM
Quote
Ukrainian and Western officials say Russia’s stocks of precision-guided missiles and drones have run low, prompting it to turn to Iran. A spokesman for the Ukrainian Air Force said on Monday that Moscow and Tehran had finalized an agreement to deliver Iranian Fateh-110 and Zolfaghar ballistic missiles to Russia
[...]
Maj. Gen. Kyrylo Budanov, head of Ukraine’s defense intelligence directorate, has said delivery of Iranian missiles could happen by the end of November. “It’s a serious threat because Iranian missiles, unlike Russian ones, are quite high-precision, very high-speed, and those features have been battle-proven,”
[...]
Ukraine has been asking Western countries for systems that can shoot down ballistic missiles, which travel at several times the speed of sound, making them much harder to hit in flight than cruise missiles or slow-moving drones. General Budanov referred to the possibility of weapons that could strike missile launch sites, but the United States and others have been reluctant to give Ukraine the means to hit targets inside Russia, which the Kremlin has warned would be a dangerous escalation.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/08/world/europe/ukraine-russia-iran-missiles.html

Good thing that Russia buying Iranian ballistic missiles is not a dangerous escalation.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BrokenVerses on November 09, 2022, 11:22:34 AM
Russia announced they are abandoning Kherson and retreating across the river today.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-orders-pullout-west-bank-dnipro-kherson-2022-11-09/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on November 09, 2022, 11:46:08 AM
Quote from: BrokenVerses on November 09, 2022, 11:22:34 AM
Russia announced they are abandoning Kherson and retreating across the river today.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-orders-pullout-west-bank-dnipro-kherson-2022-11-09/

The Democrat wave extended around the world

 :tauntaun
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 09, 2022, 01:10:32 PM
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1590368333727424512 (https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1590368333727424512)

2022 the year of fucking around and finding out.

https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1590333315034525697 (https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1590333315034525697)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on November 09, 2022, 03:00:52 PM
Quote from: Nintex on November 09, 2022, 01:10:32 PM


2022 the year of fucking around and finding out.

https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1590333315034525697 (https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1590333315034525697)

He died in a car accident... when his car drove through a window on top of a 20-story building.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 09, 2022, 07:20:19 PM
I've seen pictures of the car. If that was an accident he had a collision with a ballistic missile.  :doge

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1590386047070130176 (https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1590386047070130176)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 10, 2022, 07:02:08 PM
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1590851151679074306 (https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1590851151679074306)
Russian TV presenter explains to his audience why both positions for supporting/opposing the withdrawal from Kherson can result in a prison sentence.

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1590818260504973313 (https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1590818260504973313)
The withdrawal is not going well.  Apparently Russia tried to reach some sort of agreement with the US about their troops leaving the area but Ukraine is like 'fuck that' and started moving in on the Russians and since most bridges and crossings are destroyed a significant number of Russian troops are stuck.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on November 11, 2022, 12:02:41 AM
What does Darth Sidious have to say about it?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jmVyUdHtxbU
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 11, 2022, 02:39:21 AM
The last order given to paratroopers:
"Put on civilian clothing and fucking run in any direction you want."

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1590450308119158786 (https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1590450308119158786)
:trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 12, 2022, 10:54:21 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-vYMueK_ds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peVTNYXK3AY

Dugin is livid that Putin has given up what he calls a "Russian city" he calls for Putin to be killed and a dictatorship to be instated.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 12, 2022, 01:24:55 PM
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1591472331368861697 (https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1591472331368861697)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 12, 2022, 07:28:18 PM
Dugin got a friendly visit

https://twitter.com/Agdchan/status/1591489197738807297 (https://twitter.com/Agdchan/status/1591489197738807297)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on November 12, 2022, 07:52:48 PM
Lol, "supreme leader"!!! Just call him Tsar Vladimir and be done with it you pussy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 13, 2022, 03:18:03 PM
https://twitter.com/observerdiplo/status/1591830769705844736 (https://twitter.com/observerdiplo/status/1591830769705844736)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on November 15, 2022, 01:57:18 PM
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1592590295237275649


Is this confirmed?  Not good.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on November 15, 2022, 02:02:05 PM
EVERYONE IN YOUR BUNKER

 :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on November 15, 2022, 02:12:11 PM
ww3 cuz some drunk in the russian military fucked up the co-ordinates slightly :rash
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 15, 2022, 02:27:49 PM
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1592583021911330816 (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1592583021911330816)

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1592599590788038656 (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1592599590788038656)

(https://www.icegif.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/icegif-509.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on November 15, 2022, 02:37:43 PM
Russia just shot themselves in the foot.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about Polish culture (I'm an expert),
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on November 15, 2022, 02:45:22 PM
ELON MUSK SAVE US
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on November 15, 2022, 02:45:44 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/VmrtmeP.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on November 15, 2022, 03:02:09 PM
There's not gonna be any Nato reaction. Russia will probably have to pay restitution for the damage, and that's it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 15, 2022, 03:21:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf3Hkv93gKg

Quote from: Occam on November 15, 2022, 03:02:09 PM
There's not gonna be any Nato reaction. Russia will probably have to pay restitution for the damage, and that's it.
Maybe not NATO but attacking Poland comes at your own risk.

Russia has ultra-nationalists, Poland is ultra-nationalist.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on November 15, 2022, 03:33:30 PM
So what?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 15, 2022, 06:33:35 PM
Poland has confirmed the missile attack and summoned the Russian ambassador, Russia media is talking about how this is another false flag from Ukraine or the US or Liz Truss or whatever else.

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1592654504859959296 (https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1592654504859959296)

Poland has also confirmed that their military is in a state of combat readiness.

The Polish position seems to be that Russia should admit it made a mistake and Putin should apologize and in that case some sort of agreement can be reached.
Denial and disinformation however is not going to be tolerated. In that case they will consider it a deliberate act that will require a military response.
It would not surprise me if this leads to a no-fly zone of sorts.

If no action is taken once again Russia has succesfully moved the boundaries and has shown that NATO will not defend its territory.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on November 15, 2022, 07:34:46 PM
Do you believe Russia deliberately attacked Poland? Do you believe Poland believes Russia deliberately attacked Poland?
If the answer is no, then what are we talking about here?

Guess what happened when American planes mistakenly bombed Schaffhausen (Switzerland) in 1944.
Spoiler: Switzerland did not declare war to "defend its territory".
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on November 16, 2022, 01:54:49 AM
It's about whether Russia will admit it made a mistake or not.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on November 16, 2022, 03:38:02 AM
Maybe it won't have to.

Quote
While the Polish Foreign Ministry said the missile was Russian-made, the country’s president, Andrzej Duda, told reporters, “It was most likely a Russian-made missile, but this is all still under investigation at the moment.” Both Ukraine and Russia use Soviet-era Russian made missiles.

President Biden said on Wednesday that initial information about the missile’s trajectory suggested that it was “unlikely” that it was fired from Russia. But it was unclear from the president’s remarks whether he meant the missile had probably not been fired from inside Russia’s territorial borders, or had probably not been fired by Russian forces in Ukraine or elsewhere.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/11/16/world/russia-ukraine-war-news-g20
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HardcoreRetro on November 16, 2022, 03:41:21 AM
Don't worry people. I have been playing God of War: Ragnarok in preparation for this.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on November 16, 2022, 04:31:46 AM
Quote from: Occam on November 16, 2022, 03:38:02 AM
Maybe it won't have to.

Quote
While the Polish Foreign Ministry said the missile was Russian-made, the country’s president, Andrzej Duda, told reporters, “It was most likely a Russian-made missile, but this is all still under investigation at the moment.” Both Ukraine and Russia use Soviet-era Russian made missiles.

President Biden said on Wednesday that initial information about the missile’s trajectory suggested that it was “unlikely” that it was fired from Russia. But it was unclear from the president’s remarks whether he meant the missile had probably not been fired from inside Russia’s territorial borders, or had probably not been fired by Russian forces in Ukraine or elsewhere.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/11/16/world/russia-ukraine-war-news-g20
Saw that earlier today. Going by that, I just hope it wasn't from Belarus.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on November 16, 2022, 08:08:51 AM
There's all sorts of speculation in the media, including that it could have been a Russian missle that was somehow driven off course by Ukrainian missile defense. No idea if that's possible.
Anyway, no sane person would assume that anyone intentionally fired a missile at Poland. Which is why I stand by what I said yesterday: There is not going to be a reaction by Nato. (And by that I mean a military response).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on November 16, 2022, 08:42:28 AM
There you go, from 10 minutes ago:

Quote
Poland’s president and the secretary general of NATO said on Wednesday that a Ukrainian air defense missile had most likely caused a deadly explosion on Polish territory a day earlier, but emphasized that Kyiv was not to blame for trying to defend itself.

President Andrzej Duda noted that Russian forces had launched a barrage of missile strikes on Ukraine and its civilian infrastructure on Tuesday. He said early indications suggested that Ukrainian efforts to counter the hail of about 100 missiles had caused an “unfortunate accident” in Poland — not a direct attack on his country.

“We have no evidence at the moment that it was a rocket launched by Russian forces,” Mr. Duda told reporters. “However, there are many indications that it was a missile that was used by Ukraine’s antimissile defense.”

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/11/16/world/russia-ukraine-war-news-g20
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on November 16, 2022, 11:16:21 AM
FALSE FLAG BY FTX TO DISTRACT FROM THEIR BANKRUPTCY?

more at 10
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 16, 2022, 01:40:56 PM
https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1592928556635471873 (https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1592928556635471873)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on November 16, 2022, 03:23:31 PM
Sounds very much like NATO coming up with a story to de-escalate rather than the whole truth.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 16, 2022, 05:59:00 PM
Yeah why would Ukraine fire an S-300 backwards that flies into the face of basic logic of missile intercepts and air defense   :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 17, 2022, 03:05:28 AM
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1592724220999786496 (https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1592724220999786496)

:biden
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 17, 2022, 07:20:44 PM
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1593350739342008324 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1593350739342008324)
Shot himself 5 times
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on November 18, 2022, 08:29:47 PM
Quote from: Potato on November 16, 2022, 03:23:31 PM
Sounds very much like NATO coming up with a story to de-escalate rather than the whole truth.
"Hello, yes, this is Berlin, I would like to invoke the NATO defense treaty against Russia."
"Are you sure it's an attack from Russia?"
"They are outside the window screaming WE ARE FROM RUSSIA HERE TO AVENGE THE RED ARMY THE CHILDREN OF KIEVAN RUS WILL ENCRICLE THE GLOBE from their tanks."
"Hmm, could be rogue separatists maybe? Could they be lost on the way to Kaliningrad?"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 19, 2022, 03:52:57 AM
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1593757516055429122 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1593757516055429122)

As I said before folks underestimate how much the Eastern Europeans hate Russia.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HardcoreRetro on November 19, 2022, 04:04:42 AM
Hate?

They're still occupying land that isn't theirs. What is there to talk about. Get the fuck out. Then you can talk peace.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on November 19, 2022, 10:55:40 AM
Quote from: HardcoreRetro on November 19, 2022, 04:04:42 AM
Hate?

They're still occupying land that isn't theirs. What is there to talk about. Get the fuck out. Then you can talk peace.

Quick end or a drawn out, bloody end.

Ukraine is also dependent on Western support to win this war.

And more importantly, Ukraine is desperate for Western support for reconstruction. Russia paying any significant war reparation is a pipe dream.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on November 19, 2022, 03:29:15 PM
Quote from: Sman on November 19, 2022, 10:55:40 AM
Russia paying any significant war reparation is a pipe dream.

Last I checked, about $600bn in Russian assets were frozen. That should help to pay for some of the damage.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BrokenVerses on November 19, 2022, 03:31:26 PM
The West will probably push for a settlement once it becomes apparent that Ukraine has run of out momentum and the conflict has become a stalemate.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 19, 2022, 05:44:43 PM
The general idea seems to be that they can't fight in winter but I very much doubt this considered how well equipped Ukraine is and how poorly equipped Russia is.
Wouldn't surprise me if the Mobiks just froze to death defending Crimea.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on November 19, 2022, 06:52:05 PM
https://twitter.com/sarahemclaugh/status/1592899051858825217
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on November 20, 2022, 12:20:49 AM

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRMn5B9s07rz7qkLw6DhdKUbLZgVC7EOEDrmw&usqp=CAU)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi-wrflhqxU
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on November 20, 2022, 05:26:10 AM
Quote from: Occam on November 19, 2022, 03:29:15 PM
Quote from: Sman on November 19, 2022, 10:55:40 AM
Russia paying any significant war reparation is a pipe dream.

Last I checked, about $600bn in Russian assets were frozen. That should help to pay for some of the damage.

Freezing assets is one thing, stealing them is another. Very bad precedent that would be.

And how would stealing foster "peace"? It sounds to me you are just rebuilding the country to be destroyed again at a later date.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 20, 2022, 06:54:34 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fh_z_jqXoAAT6w4?format=jpg)

:pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on November 20, 2022, 05:34:08 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/northernireland/comments/z03a0x/ill_just_leave_this_here/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 22, 2022, 03:04:38 AM
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1594915216026112000 (https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1594915216026112000)

It's getting stranger by the day
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on November 22, 2022, 03:29:06 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63714944

Quote
Ex-minister Owen Paterson is taking the UK government to the European Court of Human Rights over a standards watchdog verdict that he broke lobbying rules.


How cute. The man was a front line Brexiteer  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on November 23, 2022, 01:04:47 AM
Quote from: Potato on November 04, 2022, 05:34:20 AM
Yet his actions say otherwise. Until he disputes the result, the accusation is baseless.

Quote from: Nintex on November 04, 2022, 01:29:09 PM
Bolsonaro was never going to challenge the election outcome. He spend most of his presidency in a hospital bed.  :lol
Brazil’s Bolsonaro challenges election loss, files petition demanding votes be annulled
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/22/americas/brazil-bolsonaro-presidential-election-petition-intl-hnk/index.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on November 23, 2022, 01:44:29 AM
As long as he disputes them using the appropriate legal channels, the comparison to Trump is asinine.

The legal system exists. It can be used for disputing elections. If he has the evidence then he should dispute it. However, he's got to prove it in court. He's not inciting a mob.

I don't see what you're getting at here aside from stating your own conspiracy theory of what he's going to do and then bending the facts to suit your narrative.

Do you think his legal right to challenge election results in a court should be taken away because of what happened in a shithole country thousands of kilometres away?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on November 23, 2022, 02:00:33 AM
Quote from: Occam on November 04, 2022, 04:22:51 AM
Come on now.

"Since his 2018 election victory, Bolsonaro has made baseless allegations of voter fraud in Brazil, which critics say could lay the groundwork to challenge upcoming elections in the same vein as his political idol, former U.S. President Donald Trump."
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/brazils-bolsonaro-says-he-wont-hand-over-presidency-if-there-is-vote-fraud-2021-07-01/

"Meanwhile, Bolsonaro has been pushing baseless lies about the integrity of the election for months, wrongly stating that voting machines in the country cannot be trusted to deliver a true outcome. On Sunday, after polling lower than da Silva in the election’s first round, Bolsonaro claimed without evidence that election administrators had rigged the outcome.

“They took sides. They have a candidate for president,” Bolsonaro said. “Or at least there’s one they don’t want, which is me.”"
https://truthout.org/articles/bolsonaro-pushes-brazenly-false-claims-of-election-fraud-after-first-round-loss/

Quote from: Potato on November 04, 2022, 05:34:20 AM
Yet his actions say otherwise. Until he disputes the result, the accusation is baseless.

Quote from: Occam on November 23, 2022, 01:04:47 AM
Brazil’s Bolsonaro challenges election loss, files petition demanding votes be annulled
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/22/americas/brazil-bolsonaro-presidential-election-petition-intl-hnk/index.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on November 23, 2022, 02:43:33 AM
Quote
Outgoing Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro has filed a petition with Brazil election authorities formally contesting the results of this year’s fiercely contested presidential vote.

What's your problem with him exercising his legal right here?


Edit: Oh, silly me, I forgot you commies only grant legal rights to those who agree with you.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on November 23, 2022, 03:45:51 AM
My bad, I forgot English isn't your first language.
To dispute, challenge and contest all mean the same thing in this context. They are what we call "synonyms".
Don't worry about it! :)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on November 23, 2022, 06:23:03 AM
Quote from: Occam on November 23, 2022, 03:45:51 AM
My bad, I forgot English isn't your first language.
To dispute, challenge and contest all mean the same thing in this context. They are what we call "synonyms".
Don't worry about it! :)
:gaben
You're a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow mate.


Answer my question. Is he not allowed to dispute the results using the legal system?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on November 23, 2022, 07:17:20 AM
Of course he is. Exactly like Trump, who did it 63 times and lost 63 times.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on November 23, 2022, 03:22:05 PM
So what exactly is your problem aside from the obvious mental handicaps?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on November 23, 2022, 04:39:06 PM
Quote from: Occam on November 23, 2022, 07:17:20 AM
Of course he is. Exactly like Trump, who did it 41 times and lost 41 times.
I wouldn't say that Trump exactly disputed the "results using the legal system" as none of the 60 some filings they failed on ever made any claims in the first place. :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on November 23, 2022, 05:25:49 PM
distinguished mentally-challenged fellows gonna distinguished mentally-challenged fellow Benji.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on November 23, 2022, 08:47:01 PM
Just let my boy smugpost in peace :gurl
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on November 23, 2022, 09:41:51 PM
Let's recap, for those of us who have trouble following a conversation:

Occam [after the Brazilian election]: "Wanna bet he's going to pull a Former Guy next and claim he was cheated?"
chronovore: "Bolsonaro has already ceded victory, according to the News."
Occam: "Yes, surprising. After claiming for months there'd be fraud he decided not to go that way after all."
potato: "Or maybe the whole idea was a figment of the lefties' imagination?"
Occam: [shows that Bolsonaro already did baselessly claim he was cheated before and during the election]
potato: "Yet his actions say otherwise. Until he disputes the result, the accusation is baseless."

[Time passes. Bolsonaro begins to dispute the result.]

Occam: "Bolsonaro challenges election loss, files petition demanding votes be annulled"

potato: "Derp derp!"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on November 23, 2022, 10:29:21 PM
If you can't see the difference in situations and claims and actions between Trump and Bolsonaro, there's not much anyone can do for you mate. Either way, I'm not really interested in arguing with the mentally deficient. If you want to keep going, just assume my response to all of your posts will be, "shut up distinguished mentally-challenged fellow."
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 26, 2022, 06:31:12 PM
https://twitter.com/AlexKokcharov/status/1596462825312251904 (https://twitter.com/AlexKokcharov/status/1596462825312251904)

The foreign minister is already dead.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on November 26, 2022, 07:04:59 PM
I would support this action
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 27, 2022, 04:26:19 AM
https://twitter.com/wierdduk/status/1596667812407562240 (https://twitter.com/wierdduk/status/1596667812407562240)

:biden
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 27, 2022, 10:49:19 AM
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1596822446643953664 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1596822446643953664)

freedom?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on November 27, 2022, 12:19:34 PM
They need to storm the lab and reveal the truth
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 27, 2022, 01:03:09 PM
Moroccan soy bois rioting  :mynicca

https://twitter.com/DreigingNL2/status/1596900991378464768 (https://twitter.com/DreigingNL2/status/1596900991378464768)

https://twitter.com/BobHGL/status/1596894188208984067 (https://twitter.com/BobHGL/status/1596894188208984067)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 27, 2022, 01:53:05 PM
https://twitter.com/SiminaMistreanu/status/1596912559399268353 (https://twitter.com/SiminaMistreanu/status/1596912559399268353)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on November 27, 2022, 02:25:52 PM
Pooh really regretting not funding the soccer team would make a good distraction
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on November 27, 2022, 02:38:21 PM
Roll in the tanks Mr President for life.

Show us what real communism is like
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: jorma on November 27, 2022, 03:32:30 PM
Quote from: Nintex on November 27, 2022, 01:53:05 PM
https://twitter.com/SiminaMistreanu/status/1596912559399268353 (https://twitter.com/SiminaMistreanu/status/1596912559399268353)

lies lies lies

everyone knows that nothing ever happens on tiananmen square

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 27, 2022, 07:03:49 PM
https://twitter.com/selinawangtv/status/1596943387172933633 (https://twitter.com/selinawangtv/status/1596943387172933633)

Also BBC reporter arrested and beaten by real communists.

https://twitter.com/POLITlCSUK/status/1596964458160496640 (https://twitter.com/POLITlCSUK/status/1596964458160496640)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on November 27, 2022, 07:29:53 PM
Communism in action is just authoritarian kleptocratic dictatorship in disguise.

Tankies should just kill themselves.

Edit: More amazing communism in action

https://mobile.twitter.com/billbirtles/status/1596935475725406208 (https://mobile.twitter.com/billbirtles/status/1596935475725406208)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 28, 2022, 06:51:56 PM
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1597352679814361093 (https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1597352679814361093)

:salute  :maduro :juche
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on November 28, 2022, 10:01:17 PM
Time for tankman to rise!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 29, 2022, 01:19:48 PM
Prigozhyn tried to make moves against Shoigu and Putin  :putin

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1597578177798627328 (https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1597578177798627328)


NATO flexing
https://twitter.com/NATO/status/1597663936664506370 (https://twitter.com/NATO/status/1597663936664506370)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on November 29, 2022, 04:44:06 PM
Putin believed his own Twitter trolls' narrative that "The West" was divided and ripe for the picking.

His misguided war has achieved the exact opposite of what he was hoping for. He's even forced Germany, the most wavering of the NATO nations, to align more closely with it's western allies.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on November 29, 2022, 04:45:23 PM
Quote from: Potato on November 29, 2022, 04:44:06 PM
Putin believed his own Twitter trolls' narrative that "The West" was divided and ripe for the picking.

His misguided war has achieved the exact opposite of what he was hoping for. He's even forced Germany, the most wavering of the NATO nations, to align more closely with it's western allies.

Its what happens when you hire Nintex as your consultant
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 29, 2022, 06:43:10 PM
Quote from: james on November 29, 2022, 04:45:23 PM
Quote from: Potato on November 29, 2022, 04:44:06 PM
Putin believed his own Twitter trolls' narrative that "The West" was divided and ripe for the picking.

His misguided war has achieved the exact opposite of what he was hoping for. He's even forced Germany, the most wavering of the NATO nations, to align more closely with it's western allies.

Its what happens when you hire Nintex as your consultant
Remember I offered to lead NATO to victory and said many times over it was super easy to beat the Russians in a war while everyone was poo poo scared like cry babies of their junk army. :idont
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on November 29, 2022, 07:52:29 PM
Nobody can win a war like Nintex. Believe me, folx  :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on November 29, 2022, 08:28:30 PM
Quote from: Potato on November 27, 2022, 07:29:53 PM
Edit: More amazing communism in action

twitter.com/billbirtles/status/1596935475725406208
Why would he think this was BS, they've been doing it for like sixty years. :lol

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Capitalist wreckers love infiltrating the people to undermine their proletarian unity by spreading disinformation from crowds. :ufup
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on November 30, 2022, 01:17:56 PM
https://twitter.com/shashj/status/1597946609215471621

 :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on November 30, 2022, 03:08:19 PM
What a great idea to publicize that.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 30, 2022, 05:47:00 PM
We are about to enter phase 2 of operation clusterfuck.

Turkey is preparing to invade Syria. The Russians are sending reinforcements as Assad is allied with the Kurds.
The US is supporting both the Kurds and the Turks and has not really protested against Erdogans planned invasion.


As for the Russians, they're going to plug the hole in the EU budget  :doge
https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1597888002436796417 (https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1597888002436796417)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on December 01, 2022, 11:09:35 PM
I don't know the specifics and would be interested to learn but that somehow seems somewhat... outside... the jurisdiction of the EU.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 03, 2022, 06:12:03 PM
There goes the neighbourhood
https://twitter.com/TanyaKozyreva/status/1599062836524724224 (https://twitter.com/TanyaKozyreva/status/1599062836524724224)

Crazy rumors in the Dutch media too. Apparently Putin fell down the stairs on friday night and is seriously ill to the point that he shits himself.

Also Russia is planning to hand over the nuclear power plant they captured to the IAEA
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on December 04, 2022, 11:19:37 PM
Quote from: Nintex on December 03, 2022, 06:12:03 PM
twitter.com/TanyaKozyreva/status/1599062836524724224
Fake news. This is a Rainbow Six Siege screenshot, I've played on that map many times.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 05, 2022, 06:53:03 PM
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1599889729314754560 (https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1599889729314754560)

What air defense doing
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BrokenVerses on December 05, 2022, 10:40:38 PM
Air Defense equipment tends to work better when turned on, or when the operators aren't asleep, or so drunk they can't see a radar screen in front of them.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 09, 2022, 04:18:16 AM
https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1601094657748144128 (https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1601094657748144128)

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1600847388242894848 (https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1600847388242894848)

The President is drunk as Moscow explodes this is going well

Also reports that Putin and friends are making plans to escape to Venezuela in case it all goes tits up.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 11, 2022, 02:01:43 PM
Our government is currently in the process of organizing a public apology for slavery on December 19th in a number of former colonies.

Which is going as well as you would expect. Surinam does not accept that our black minister of legal protection is going to deliver it and they don't agree on the date.
They also want $$$$$$$ obviously so now our finance minister is flying there to smooth things over  :lol

This government is unmatched in creating their own problems.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 11, 2022, 02:35:43 PM
The serbs are big mad

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1602005279649980417 (https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1602005279649980417)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on December 11, 2022, 03:04:17 PM
Serbs being mad for completely fabricated reasons. Name me a more iconic duo...I'll wait.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 14, 2022, 04:44:33 PM
https://twitter.com/MonikaPronczuk/status/1603139004429471746 (https://twitter.com/MonikaPronczuk/status/1603139004429471746)

https://twitter.com/policefederale/status/1602950668620283905 (https://twitter.com/policefederale/status/1602950668620283905)

lmao literally bags of cash. Fucking idiots should've just used an NGO, big pharma or climate fund for the big league money laundering like everyone else. :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Snoopycat_ on December 18, 2022, 08:03:44 AM
Lol -

(https://i.redd.it/0142a4530l6a1.jpg)

Somehow they just happened to end up in the same office block as all the other mental far right Tory wankers, because that's definitely how things work.   
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 18, 2022, 08:04:38 AM
https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1604138523019382785 (https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1604138523019382785)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 18, 2022, 06:05:14 PM
The real reason for the war has been found
https://twitter.com/Abscurat/status/1506702016575422468 (https://twitter.com/Abscurat/status/1506702016575422468)

The joke goes something like:
Putin is constantly working hard so he's always 'hard'.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2022, 01:59:04 AM
https://twitter.com/tragicbirdapp/status/1604114370715389952
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 19, 2022, 01:38:16 PM
Quote
Mark Rutte has offered a formal apology on behalf of the Dutch state for the Netherlands’ historical role in the slave trade, saying slavery must be recognised in 'the clearest terms' as 'a crime against humanity'. In a speech at the national archives in The Hague on Monday, the Dutch prime minister acknowledged that the past 'cannot be erased, only faced up to' Dutch PM apologises for Netherlands’ role in slave trade

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU9JcpZDDf4

Beware that this man always lies and does the exact opposite of what he says so he's probably abusing some slaves right now. :idont
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 19, 2022, 05:53:55 PM
https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1604540346700300288 (https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1604540346700300288)

Go fight in the holy war so you can afford iphones when you aren't paid by the factory :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 20, 2022, 04:08:09 PM
https://twitter.com/anews/status/1604467675014787072 (https://twitter.com/anews/status/1604467675014787072)

Putin NFT's  ???
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on December 22, 2022, 03:08:54 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/zsqxqf/absolute_scenes_from_member_of_the_scottish/

(https://i.redd.it/ggzjf89uui7a1.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on December 22, 2022, 04:46:37 PM
That woman on the right!!!

Holy shit! Emoji potential there
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 22, 2022, 06:17:32 PM
https://twitter.com/tickerNEWSco/status/1606059320814321664 (https://twitter.com/tickerNEWSco/status/1606059320814321664)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on December 22, 2022, 07:07:25 PM
https://twitter.com/Halalcoholism/status/1605872447542026240
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 23, 2022, 03:32:16 AM
This will totally not backfire
https://twitter.com/apmassaro3/status/1605992316006604800 (https://twitter.com/apmassaro3/status/1605992316006604800)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 24, 2022, 03:19:10 PM


https://twitter.com/nadgerry/status/1606700453936373760 (https://twitter.com/nadgerry/status/1606700453936373760)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HaughtyFrank on December 24, 2022, 07:07:59 PM
https://twitter.com/yasminalombaert/status/1604022699763851264
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on December 24, 2022, 07:13:45 PM
Quote from: Nintex on December 24, 2022, 03:19:10 PM


https://twitter.com/nadgerry/status/1606700453936373760 (https://twitter.com/nadgerry/status/1606700453936373760)
That's sure to win you sympathy from everyday Frenchies...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 26, 2022, 12:31:34 PM
First signs of bank runs in Russia
https://twitter.com/toszmn/status/1607406917034430466 (https://twitter.com/toszmn/status/1607406917034430466)

https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1607363584148791298 (https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1607363584148791298)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on December 26, 2022, 02:48:53 PM
I can't remember the last hotel I went to that had windows that actually opened. Why do these people keep staying in these hotels with these dangerous windows?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 26, 2022, 05:58:07 PM
It's quite remarkable how Putin has the military, Wagner mercenaries, seperatists and FSB fighting one another and still manages to pull off the weekly assassinations.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on December 26, 2022, 06:02:11 PM
and they're all silly looney tunes stuff like dropping anvils on his enemies' heads
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 26, 2022, 06:17:44 PM
Quote from: Uncle on December 26, 2022, 06:02:11 PM
and they're all silly looney tunes stuff like dropping anvils on his enemies' heads
These are just the ones we hear about. It would not surprise me if 'low level' hits are common but simply don't get reported. Just another traffic accident.
The car bomb that killed Dugin's daughter was also pretty low key at the time until they figured out who was killed.

In any case Medvedev made some predictions

Quote
On the New Year’s Eve, everybody’s into making predictions

Many come up with futuristic hypotheses, as if competing to single out the wildest, and even the most absurd ones.

Here’s our humble contribution.

What can happen in 2023:

1.  Oil price will rise to $150 a barrel, and gas price will top $5.000 per 1.000 cubic meters

2. The UK will rejoin the EU

3. The EU will collapse after the UK’s return; Euro will drop out of use as the former EU currency

4. Poland and Hungary will occupy western regions of the formerly existing Ukraine

5. The Fourth Reich will be created, encompassing the territory of Germany and its satellites, i.e., Poland, the Baltic states, Czechia, Slovakia, the Kiev Republic, and other outcasts

6. War will break out between France and the Fourth Reich. Europe will be divided, Poland repartitioned in the process

7. Northern Ireland will separate from the UK and join the Republic of Ireland

8. Civil war will break out in the US, California. and Texas becoming independent states as a result. Texas and Mexico will form an allied state. Elon Musk’ll win the presidential election in a number of states which, after the new Civil War’s end, will have been given to the GOP

9. All the largest stock markets and financial activity will leave the US and Europe and move to Asia

10. The Bretton Woods system of monetary management will collapse, leading to the IMF and World Bank crash. Euro and Dollar will stop circulating as the global reserve currencies. Digital fiat currencies will be actively used instead

Season greetings to you all, Anglo-Saxon friends, and their happily oinking piglets!
and the reviews are in

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1607494455720022018 (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1607494455720022018)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on December 26, 2022, 06:58:45 PM
Sooo, pretty uneventful year compared to what we've been through, hey Dmitry?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HaughtyFrank on December 27, 2022, 08:16:58 AM
Quote
5. The Fourth Reich will be created, encompassing the territory of Germany and its satellites, i.e., Poland, the Baltic states, Czechia, Slovakia, the Kiev Republic, and other outcasts

That escalated quickly
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 27, 2022, 09:19:09 AM
Here's my predictions

1. Tory leadership contest

2. Dmitry Medvedev falls out of a window so do Lavrov and some others

3. The Qatar world cup anti-corruption case is not good optics for the EU and keeps them busy all year

4. China completely falls apart with millions of COVID deaths and oh no the economy

5. Trump gets himself into jams including a DEA raid at the Mar-A-Lago but manages to wiggle out of them

6. Protests continue in Iran, France and many other places

7. Civil war in Russia, Putin jokes it's kinda like a Battle Royale with real alpha male energy in an exclusive interview with Tucker Carlson

8. Kim Jun Un fires a nuclear missile, Elon Musk disables it using Star Link then posts an anti-semitic meme and gets suspended from his own platform by his new CEO

9. Alien ship lands in the White House lawn, Joe Biden meets with them, they seem friendly and like ice cream

10. Not everyone is convinced the aliens are real, Trump demands they meet with him so he can verify

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 27, 2022, 09:48:45 AM
lol as if the are UK rejoining the EU (who fucking looooooooooooooove their bureaucracy, the more layers the better!) in a year, it took about 5 years of mucking around to leave.

tbf if we did rejoin and wanted to get involved, theres a decent chance it could be the lethal dose of poison that brings it down.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on December 27, 2022, 05:32:27 PM
https://twitter.com/fermerzpolissia/status/1607331846542483456
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 27, 2022, 07:18:02 PM
Why do you think we call it the Blyat krieg Lucy?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on December 27, 2022, 07:55:08 PM
Someone invite Lucy to the bore
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on December 27, 2022, 07:57:20 PM
A real Bore poster would have known to put "live" in quotes. :bolo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on December 28, 2022, 06:46:21 AM
Quote from: Nintex on December 26, 2022, 06:17:44 PM

In any case Medvedev made some predictions

Quote
On the New Year’s Eve, everybody’s into making predictions

Many come up with futuristic hypotheses, as if competing to single out the wildest, and even the most absurd ones.

Here’s our humble contribution.

What can happen in 2023:

1.  Oil price will rise to $150 a barrel, and gas price will top $5.000 per 1.000 cubic meters

It could happen. Or something close to it. Not likely though.

Quote
2. The UK will rejoin the EU

No way. UK/Tory politics won't allow it. Not for another decade or two. No appetite in the EU either.

Quote
3. The EU will collapse after the UK’s return; Euro will drop out of use as the former EU currency

First thing won't happen. Though that doesn't exclude more Euro woes anyway, but not enough to be "dropped". Not in 2023.

Quote
4. Poland and Hungary will occupy western regions of the formerly existing Ukraine

Farfetched. Though they have an imperial past, fear of Russia is stronger than any imperial ambition at this point. They are safer in an united NATO than breaking NATO for a land grab.

Quote
5. The Fourth Reich will be created, encompassing the territory of Germany and its satellites, i.e., Poland, the Baltic states, Czechia, Slovakia, the Kiev Republic, and other outcasts

Insane.

Quote
6. War will break out between France and the Fourth Reich. Europe will be divided, Poland repartitioned in the process

In 2023? And not in 2100 or 2200? This is complete science fiction otherwise.

Quote
7. Northern Ireland will separate from the UK and join the Republic of Ireland

I don't see it happening next year. Maybe in a decade or two.

Quote
8. Civil war will break out in the US, California. and Texas becoming independent states as a result. Texas and Mexico will form an allied state. Elon Musk’ll win the presidential election in a number of states which, after the new Civil War’s end, will have been given to the GOP

Insane. They drink their own kool-aid in the Kremlin?

Quote
9. All the largest stock markets and financial activity will leave the US and Europe and move to Asia

Far away in the future? Maybe. Short-term? I don't see it. China seems to be in for a world of hurt for 2023.

Quote
10. The Bretton Woods system of monetary management will collapse, leading to the IMF and World Bank crash. Euro and Dollar will stop circulating as the global reserve currencies. Digital fiat currencies will be actively used instead

Insane.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 28, 2022, 07:28:28 AM
Quote
No way. UK/Tory politics won't allow it. Not for another decade or two. No appetite in the EU either.
I could see an attempt to re-do the referendum as part of a tory leadership bid or snap election.

Labour won't commit on the issue but Sunak announces he will hold a referendum.
The EU is divided on the issue. Some welcome it like the Dutch and Poland. Others like France are against.

Europe needs to stick together, look what happened in Ukraine blah blah...

Same with the Fourth Reich thing depending on how you look at it.
It won't be another Nazi empire or whatever but an EU army? I can totally see that happening in the near future and that's basically what Russia considers the 'Fourth Reich' to be.
Most of the politicians opposed the idea because it would anger Russia or start a new arms race on the continent. Plus it would take away resources from NATO.

However, it has not gone unnoticed that without US/UK support Kyiv would've fallen. Remember that Germany did not allow military supplies from the UK to be shipped through their air space and told Zelensky to run.
After brokering an escape route with the Russians the Turks actually send a plane to pick him up as well.

Russian Intelligence had calculated correctly that Germany and others would tell Zelensky to flee so a government in exile could come to terms to avoid a bigger war, they didn't count on him not listening to their advice.
At the same time the EU expected Putin to back down as well after he 'made his point' like he always did.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on December 28, 2022, 08:26:06 AM
Quote from: Nintex on December 28, 2022, 07:28:28 AM
Quote
No way. UK/Tory politics won't allow it. Not for another decade or two. No appetite in the EU either.
I could see an attempt to re-do the referendum as part of a tory leadership bid or snap election.

But... why?

The Tories became the Brexit party lite. Remainers in the minority. Just rumors of a Swiss style got the Brexiters in a frenzy.

Quote
Labour won't commit on the issue but Sunak announces he will hold a referendum.

If they do a 180 here with a referendum in the hope of rejoining, they'll tear themselves apart. And that's before the expected Tory wipeout in the 2024 election. Would there even be a Tory party left at the end?

They're better off continuing to pretend Brexit was a good thing and it's done, save for a few details. Then if possible, do some quiet negotiations for some return to the common market.

Quote
The EU is divided on the issue. Some welcome it like the Dutch and Poland. Others like France are against.

Same issue as with Turkey. If blocks of EU countries are against it, it's not happening.

Crazier in the Melvedev prediction is that all of this is supposed to be happening within a year. UK changing its mind, request accession, EU bureaucracy moving at light speed, accession achieved, EU blows up.

Quote
Europe needs to stick together, look what happened in Ukraine blah blah

No disagreement here.

Quote
Same with the Fourth Reich thing depending on how you look at it.
It won't be another Nazi empire or whatever but an EU army? I can totally see that happening in the near future and that's basically what Russia considers the 'Fourth Reich' to be.

This is still wishful thinking on Russia's part and dare I say it, projection on Russia's part. It wants a block of EU states to go its own way. Fourth Reich or not, still blows up the EU and divides the continent. The French or whoever else waging war on the Fourth Reich is just icing on the cake from Russia's POV.

Quote
Most of the politicians opposed the idea because it would anger Russia or start a new arms race on the continent. Plus it would take away resources from NATO.

But there's already an arms race. Fourth Reich not needed.

Quote
However, it has not gone unnoticed that without US/UK support Kyiv would've fallen. Remember that Germany did not allow military supplies from the UK to be shipped through their air space and told Zelensky to run.

And how is timid and trade-obsessed Germany is supposed to be part of this Fourth Reich?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 28, 2022, 11:02:58 AM
Quote from: Sman on December 28, 2022, 08:26:06 AM
But... why?

The Tories became the Brexit party lite. Remainers in the minority. Just rumors of a Swiss style got the Brexiters in a frenzy.

If they do a 180 here with a referendum in the hope of rejoining, they'll tear themselves apart. And that's before the expected Tory wipeout in the 2024 election. Would there even be a Tory party left at the end?
Maybe a break up is what they want, get rid of the brexiteers and those that want to put Boris back in. The Dutch "conservatives" pretty much did the same thing.
Turned their back on the conservative policies and instead embraced carbon neutral policies, uncontrolled migration and have now started with atonement for slavery and colonialism.
They lost some voters and had to put out fires in the party but in the end it keeps them in power as the actual left and right are considered too radical and have to be more radical to stand out or stick with the ruling party.

They rule unopposed because the left is afraid of the far right so they rather have the existing ruling class. Just last week the Dutch pension funds were reformed thanks to support from the labour party which was pretty much the last remnant of the welfare state.
This has essentially changed the pension funds from a 'guaranteed savings account' to an investment tied directly to the stock markets.

Quote
This is still wishful thinking on Russia's part and dare I say it, projection on Russia's part. It wants a block of EU states to go its own way. Fourth Reich or not, still blows up the EU and divides the continent. The French or whoever else waging war on the Fourth Reich is just icing on the cake from Russia's POV.
This 'Fourth Reich' would just be the EU with more teeth. I don't see it break-up Europe but rather unite it or complete the European project.
If Ukraine joins the EU in the current form the balance of power would shift towards Poland and Visegrad. It would instantly become the biggest 'block'.
Macron is pushing for an EU army and EU reforms for quite a while and Von Der Leyen has already made the EU Presidency the main seat of power as Scholz is pretty much sidelined.

The central bank digital currency, carbon taxes etc. all EU plans that would've been blocked before have moved ahead. The Dutch parliament voted against the CBDC but the government approved it anyway.
If a vote would be held for an EU army there would be some ifs and buts, however the essentials would pass in the current conditions. To give an example where we stand. The Dutch have long protected the veto rights that countries like Hungary like to use.
The power that each EU country has to block any legislation they don't like by themselves. This veto right existed so that big nations could not decide matters without taking into account the interests of smaller nations. Right now the Dutch government however is lobbying to remove this veto power and have a majority decide. There's a decent chance the war ends in February after which things will move quickly on the security front. If Poland (Visegrad) and France (Italy + Southern Europe) agree you pretty much have a guaranteed majority no matter which way Germany swings.

Talking about power, Putin has forged 9 rings to rule them all and handed them out to the leaders of the former Soviet Republics.
https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1607661278264233984 (https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1607661278264233984)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 28, 2022, 01:00:02 PM
https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1608152612511031296 (https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1608152612511031296)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 28, 2022, 05:57:24 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on December 27, 2022, 05:32:27 PM
https://twitter.com/fermerzpolissia/status/1607331846542483456
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1608208168693432321 (https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1608208168693432321)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 29, 2022, 06:23:27 AM
What a coincidence

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1608421422371577856 (https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1608421422371577856)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on December 29, 2022, 06:42:24 AM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-29/indian-police-investigate-russian-oligarch-death/101815414

So, the guy who "fell" out of the window...one of his travelling companions also died in mysterious circumstances.

Putin cleaning house...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 30, 2022, 03:03:13 PM
Putin has legalized looting
https://twitter.com/MartinKragh1/status/1608573088509136897 (https://twitter.com/MartinKragh1/status/1608573088509136897)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on December 30, 2022, 07:01:22 PM
It makes me uncomfortable how likely Nintexs predictions are
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on December 30, 2022, 10:22:22 PM
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1608505304257265664
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 31, 2022, 06:12:24 AM
https://twitter.com/OleksiyDanilov/status/1609136201662857216 (https://twitter.com/OleksiyDanilov/status/1609136201662857216)

Ukraine plans to strike Moscow.

Rumors that Russia will close its borders on January 5th, implements marshall law and starts another mobilization wave.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on December 31, 2022, 06:19:29 AM
Surely someone will take the Ukrainians aside and let them know striking Moscow is a bad idea. If we wanted a huge escalation and potential use of nuclear weapons, that's the trigger.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on December 31, 2022, 08:56:28 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlTqn_eXEAAMbux?format=jpg)

Putin hints at widespread mobilization in his happy new year speech
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on January 01, 2023, 05:14:20 PM
From president to homeless guy

https://mobile.twitter.com/VlogdoLisboa/status/1609266323854426114
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 01, 2023, 05:27:15 PM
600 Russians dead in 1 Missile strike  :pika

The Ukrainians filmed the attack  :doge
https://twitter.com/Sergiy6446/status/1609678902527418369 (https://twitter.com/Sergiy6446/status/1609678902527418369)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on January 01, 2023, 07:19:31 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/JoseManrique93/status/1609623439236636672
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on January 02, 2023, 05:34:17 AM
Just wait until Occam's Zwarte Ops Unit have their way with him :nothot
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 02, 2023, 11:55:00 AM
Quote from: Nintex on December 27, 2022, 09:19:09 AM
Here's my predictions

3. The Qatar world cup anti-corruption case is not good optics for the EU and keeps them busy all year

https://twitter.com/EP_President/status/1609916379502706688 (https://twitter.com/EP_President/status/1609916379502706688)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 03, 2023, 12:52:01 PM
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1610277981032747009 (https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1610277981032747009)

Looks like Prigozhyn is about to give up on taking Bakhmut.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 03, 2023, 02:26:49 PM
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1610300685278449665 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1610300685278449665)

Guten Arbeit!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on January 03, 2023, 03:21:44 PM
Quote from: Nintex on January 03, 2023, 12:52:01 PM
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1610277981032747009 (https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1610277981032747009)

Looks like Prigozhyn is about to give up on taking Bakhmut.

Private army complains about not being supplied weapons/vehicles by the government.

 :confused
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 03, 2023, 06:05:47 PM
Well Wagner depends on the Russian military for their hardware but there's a feud between the Russian MoD and Prigozhyn.

It started when Prigozhyn started to call out the Russian MoD for their failures and that Wagner had to pick up the pieces.
But Prigozhyn was in jail once so they had a convict record a testimony that Prigozhyn was the 'lowest of the low' prison ermm "bait" and they cut off supplies.
However as of late Putin is hiding in his bunker and cancelling public events while Prigozhyn is campaigning, visiting wounded men, picking up bodies from the morgue, visiting Ukrainian POW's and grave sites.

Some seem to think Prigozhyn is challenging Putin but I think he's just another form of 'controlled opposition' if the vets or convicts angry at the regime or military join Wagner instead of the army, they still end up fighting on the front lines and not at Red Square.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 04, 2023, 05:01:09 PM
https://twitter.com/ambassthebault/status/1610729017363271680 (https://twitter.com/ambassthebault/status/1610729017363271680)

The French are the first EU nation to send tanks to Ukraine :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on January 04, 2023, 05:53:47 PM
Quote from: Nintex on January 04, 2023, 05:01:09 PM
https://twitter.com/ambassthebault/status/1610729017363271680 (https://twitter.com/ambassthebault/status/1610729017363271680)

The French are the first EU nation to send tanks to Ukraine :rejoice
Lol @ tagging the Australian Department of Foreign Affairs, Australian Defence Force, foreign minister and defence minister and the Ukrainian ambassador to Australia in that tweet. Still butthurt about us not buying those French diesel powered submarines.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2023, 11:48:51 PM
Quote from: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/04/iran-warns-france-over-insulting-cartoons-depicting-supreme-leader-ali-khamenei
Iran has summoned the French ambassador over publication of caricatures of the country’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, in the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo.

The weekly magazine published dozens of cartoons ridiculing the highest religious and political figure in the Islamic republic as part of a competition it launched in December in support of the protest movement that began in Iran last September.

Later on Wednesday, Iran’s foreign ministry said it had summoned the French ambassador, Nicolas Roche.

“France has no right to insult the sanctities of other Muslim countries and nations under the pretext of freedom of expression,” said a foreign ministry spokesperson, Nasser Kanani. “Iran is waiting for the French government’s explanation and compensatory action in condemning the unacceptable behaviour of the French publication.”

The foreign minister, Hossein Amir-Abdollahian, tweeted: “The insulting and indecent act of a French publication in publishing cartoons against the religious and political authority will not go without an effective and decisive response.”

Without spelling out the consequences, he added: “We will not allow the French government to go beyond its bounds. They have definitely chosen the wrong path.”
Weren't they just complaining about westerners meddling in their affairs?

I always love when these countries are demanding more free countries explain why people are allowed to do things in their countries. :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on January 05, 2023, 02:19:56 AM
I'm surprised The Guardian isn't taking the Ayatollah's side honestly.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 05, 2023, 05:38:39 AM
Literally the first week Lula goes on RT and calls for better relations with Russia  :girlaff

https://twitter.com/upholdreality/status/1610753236712947712 (https://twitter.com/upholdreality/status/1610753236712947712)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 05, 2023, 12:14:48 PM
Putin wants a ceasefire for Orthodox Christmas but he ain't getting it
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1611033631681810432 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1611033631681810432)

Instead Ukraine is getting German tanks
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1611030804917780484 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1611030804917780484)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on January 05, 2023, 10:37:46 PM
https://twitter.com/Citizen09372364/status/1610260037460533250
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on January 05, 2023, 10:59:58 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 05, 2023, 10:37:46 PM
https://twitter.com/Citizen09372364/status/1610260037460533250
Isn't that just normal for the French?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 06, 2023, 06:49:46 AM
Typical Russian bullshit, they announce a ceasefire but launch a big assault instead.

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1611325546260221953 (https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1611325546260221953)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on January 06, 2023, 10:16:23 AM
https://twitter.com/Citizen09372364/status/1610260120713236481

 :salute
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 06, 2023, 02:09:38 PM
Poland also looking to donate tanks. If the Germans don't block it Ukraine would receive the weapons they need to launch big spring offensives.

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1611427985130766336 (https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1611427985130766336)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on January 07, 2023, 02:25:52 AM
Freedom of the press, not freedom from consequences in South Sudan as security forces crack down on disinformation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_96muXW0XM

Quote from: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/06/six-journalists-reportedly-held-over-footage-of-south-sudans-president-wetting-himself
Six journalists have been detained by South Sudan security forces over viral footage of the country’s president apparently urinating on himself, a press freedom watchdog has reported.

The clip, filmed during an official event, shows South Sudanese leader Salva Kiir standing for the national anthem, initially oblivious as a stain spreads on his trousers and a pool forms at his feet. The camera abruptly turns away after Kiir and his entourage appear to notice what is happening.

On Friday, the Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) reported that six journalists for the state-run South Sudan Broadcasting Corporation (SSBC) had been detained by the country’s National Security Service under suspicion of an unauthorised release of the footage.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on January 07, 2023, 05:59:36 AM
Exactly what happens when you show receipts of B-Chuds using the n-word, Morrigan hating Muslims and black people, generic ree mod #57484 being a pedo, a bore mod NOT being fat, and etc.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 07, 2023, 08:21:11 AM
Based Taliban

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlygklAXEAEfmH2?format=jpg)
https://twitter.com/SAMRIReports/status/1610571270684540929 (https://twitter.com/SAMRIReports/status/1610571270684540929)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on January 07, 2023, 04:17:15 PM
Kyrgyzstan so shit even the taken don't want it
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 08, 2023, 02:21:35 PM
https://twitter.com/MundoEConflicto/status/1612162569841807362 (https://twitter.com/MundoEConflicto/status/1612162569841807362)

https://twitter.com/MundoEConflicto/status/1612155813417684997 (https://twitter.com/MundoEConflicto/status/1612155813417684997)

https://twitter.com/UpwardNewsHQ/status/1612157663739002882 (https://twitter.com/UpwardNewsHQ/status/1612157663739002882)

Massive protests against the corrupt pro-Putin communist regime in Brasil.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on January 08, 2023, 03:06:34 PM
Or massive protests for the return of the corrupt, pro-Putin, populist regime in Brazil.

 :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 08, 2023, 03:16:22 PM
In any case Democracy is Under Attack!

Quote from: Nintex
6. Protests continue in Iran, France and many other places
:hesright
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on January 08, 2023, 03:24:02 PM
Can't wait to read about shocking revelations during the January 8th hearings over the course of the next 2 years
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on January 08, 2023, 03:26:34 PM
Are Occam's spec ops team not in Brazil yet? :stahp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on January 08, 2023, 03:34:23 PM
Quote from: Nintex on January 08, 2023, 03:16:22 PM
In any case Democracy is Under Attack!

Quote from: Nintex
6. Protests continue in Iran, France and many other places
:hesright

Qu'est-ce que c'est la France sans des manifestations populaires?

(https://abload.de/img/france3bi62.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 08, 2023, 03:40:09 PM
https://twitter.com/Bugs_Meany/status/1612187137318998017 (https://twitter.com/Bugs_Meany/status/1612187137318998017)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on January 09, 2023, 02:05:34 AM
Quote from: Nintex on January 08, 2023, 03:40:09 PM
twitter.com/Bugs_Meany/status/1612187137318998017
Quote
What Can U.S. Democracy Learn From Brazil?

...

Misinformation still flowed, but ... he drastically expanded the power of Brazilian courts over online speech ... He ordered raids on eight prominent businessmen because one of them suggested [on WhatsApp] ... he jailed five people without trial for posts on social media ... ordered tech companies to take down many posts
Freedom of speech not freedom from consequences like mass raids of "co-conspirators" and being held without trial.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 09, 2023, 06:39:11 AM
And they tell you the Matrix isn't real

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fl-_x04XoAE0R6a?format=jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on January 09, 2023, 08:35:33 AM
:dead

Watch him also get an extremely harsh prison sentence just because he worse the most outlandish outfit too.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on January 09, 2023, 01:29:31 PM
https://twitter.com/AssLatam/status/1612411617580302336

https://twitter.com/jsarrion_/status/1612412798465675265

https://twitter.com/Jao09882579/status/1612434654031745024
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 09, 2023, 02:11:49 PM
Mikalos Lindello from MyCotton making the big bucks :money
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on January 10, 2023, 10:53:14 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-64218883

The Brits fucked something up?

:pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HardcoreRetro on January 10, 2023, 10:59:40 AM
Virgin Airplane shooting it's load and it ends in failure. :D
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 10, 2023, 12:42:48 PM
Quote from: Nintex on December 27, 2022, 09:19:09 AM

4. China completely falls apart with millions of COVID deaths and oh no the economy

Quote
Unofficial projections are putting the number of people that could die in China’s exit wave at about 1mn.

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1612841511913230338 (https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1612841511913230338)

:pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 10, 2023, 03:09:45 PM
On the front, there's only bad news the past few weeks.
Wagner has about won the battle for Soledar. Ukraine has suffered significant losses trying to defend it.

https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1612853491872964609 (https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1612853491872964609)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Tasty on January 10, 2023, 10:39:25 PM
Quote from: Nintex on January 10, 2023, 12:42:48 PM
Quote from: Nintex on December 27, 2022, 09:19:09 AM

4. China completely falls apart with millions of COVID deaths and oh no the economy

Quote
Unofficial projections are putting the number of people that could die in China’s exit wave at about 1mn.

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1612841511913230338 (https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1612841511913230338)

:pika

A minor power with a million nukes and a guy in charge just crazy enough to use them.

Also not to be indelicate, but isn't 1 million a rounding error for China?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on January 10, 2023, 10:55:06 PM
Less than 1000th of the population.

Compared to the proportion of US COVID deaths, that is a drop in the ocean
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 11, 2023, 03:30:17 PM
Russia has shaken up their general staff and command structure for what they call a 'bigger set of tasks' for the 'Combined forces' of the Special Military Operation.
While others say they have simply run out of ideas and this is just theatrics.

https://twitter.com/Archer83Able/status/1613199187167907841 (https://twitter.com/Archer83Able/status/1613199187167907841)

The Russian MOD denies reports from Wagner that they captured Soledar and says the fighting is still ongoing.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on January 12, 2023, 09:55:20 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64250202

Fucking hell. Literally.

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/7C67/production/_128274813_soledar_craters_before_after-2x-nc.png.webp)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 12, 2023, 08:05:41 PM
https://twitter.com/trbrtc/status/1613275193702481922 (https://twitter.com/trbrtc/status/1613275193702481922)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 13, 2023, 02:39:19 PM
https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1613979274750398474 (https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1613979274750398474)

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1613974687934971914 (https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1613974687934971914)

Russia and Belarus are setting the stage for a false flag to open a new front.


Putin's Germany's defense minister just resigned.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 15, 2023, 06:53:39 PM
Shot
https://mobile.twitter.com/yasminalombaert/status/1614355453986603009 (https://mobile.twitter.com/yasminalombaert/status/1614355453986603009)

Chaser
https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexandruC4/status/1614716044660146179 (https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexandruC4/status/1614716044660146179)

https://mobile.twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1614250538698170368 (https://mobile.twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1614250538698170368)



Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on January 17, 2023, 01:52:25 AM
https://twitter.com/readonlymike/status/1615044295341363201
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 17, 2023, 04:52:23 AM
(https://i.imgflip.com/77qwil.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 20, 2023, 02:12:22 PM
Bad news from Ukraine all around. German intelligence estimates 3 digit losses around Bakhmut daily.

Not sure if the third army they're currently building with NATO supplies is going to help turn the tide.
Ukraine now has to throw in their reserves to hold their ground.


AWOL navy seal ends up dead in Ukraine
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1616520935078510593 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1616520935078510593)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on January 20, 2023, 09:50:17 PM
https://twitter.com/juanbuis/status/1616426759259578368
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on January 21, 2023, 07:45:01 AM
I don't get why the Biden administration doesn't call Germany's bluff and just send a symbolic number of Abrams tanks to Ukraine.

Germany is hiding behind the excuse that America should make the move first while America says the Abrams tanks are ill-suited for Ukraine and the German Leopards are what's really needed.

In a worst case scenario, Ukraine still gets new tanks if America moves first, albeit "ill-suited ones". Even if Germany sends none, if they get to lift the contractual obligations that prevents other NATO countries from sending their own leopard tanks, that's even more progress.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 21, 2023, 11:20:41 AM
The problem is that we don't have those tanks in big numbers.

On paper the Netherlands has tanks but in reality we're leasing 16 tanks from the Germans for 'training' twice a year. A lot of European equipment exists on paper but is not combat ready in any shape or form, especially when it comes to ground units.
Some stuff is stored in Switzerland for safe keeping but the Swiss do not allow it to be transported to Ukraine. In other cases the vehicles are there but there isn't enough ammo. Most European armies have highly trained air forces and naval units not tank formations.

Ukraine is pretty much spent after a year of fighting. They need to raise, train and equip entire new armies which is getting more and more difficult to do.

Ukraine has already said what they need:
“I know that I can beat this enemy. But I need resources. I need 300 tanks, 600-700 ifvs, 500 Howitzers.” (Valery Zaluzhny)
This is already revised down from the 1000 tanks and 2000 vehicles they initially wanted.

When it comes to tanks about 10% - 20% have been pledged post Rammstein, in terms of IFV's about 50% and for Howitzers about 10% - 20%.

Europe doesn't have this stuff or the Ukrainians aren't trained in using it. The best solution would be to get India on board with the allies but instead they've been lectured and bullied so they're unwilling to play ball.
India has about 5k upgraded Soviet-type tanks that Ukraine knows how to use.

We need a fast and practical solution not a 'wunder waffen' that requires training and maintenance like the Leopard 2. They'll just be scattered without fuel on the roads leaving Kyiv like the Tiger 2's.
It's a good thing that the US is stepping up with Strykers and the French are sending the AMX 10-RC.

The fighting around Bakhmut has drained the Ukrainian army. Wagner is posing next to Ukrainian vehicles which are pretty much technicals at this point (trucks with guns mounted on them).
I understand why the media/NATO doesn't want to focus on the desperate situation on the front lines because it would make others even more reluctant to support the cause but the situation is grim.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: fizzel on January 21, 2023, 03:34:42 PM
The Krauts are compromised and have been pissing about for a year now. There's no normalising relations with Russia, and cheap Russkie gas isn't coming back. Either send the tanks or Poland will do it for them by getting involved militarily, And then we're all in the shit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on January 22, 2023, 04:08:00 AM
A powerful move right now would be for Biden to nuke Germany to show Putin he isn't fucking around.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 22, 2023, 06:32:18 AM
Read a piece on the new German defense minister. He has 0 experience in foreign policy or military matters. Just another pencil pusher.

A lot of contradicting rumors going around, some say that Zelensky is refusing to retreat from Bakhmut as it is part of what is dubbed "The Zelensky line" other sources say that the Ukrainian general does not want to give up the town and has refused orders to retreat.
Some towns in the rear of Bakhmut are seemingly under attack by Wagner forces. Wagner has also send 20 trucks filled with bodies of fallen UFA soldiers from Soledar to the Ukrainian side.

I'm not sure what the right move is myself. Retreating to a new defensive line is dangerous as a retreating army is at its most vulnerable. Ukraine does not have the number of planes or artillery to cover a large retreat so it would have to be done in small units.
However staying at the current line doesn't seem viable either. The frontline area is bombed constantly and the cities and villages have been completely destroyed. The soldiers are sitting in primitive trenches hoping the artillery misses fighting off waves of enemy attacks.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on January 22, 2023, 08:13:02 AM
Quote from: Nintex on January 22, 2023, 06:32:18 AM
Read a piece on the new German defense minister. He has 0 experience in foreign policy or military matters. Just another pencil pusher.

He's been on the NATO parliament for 10 years...?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 22, 2023, 10:18:23 AM
Quote from: Raist on January 22, 2023, 08:13:02 AM
Quote from: Nintex on January 22, 2023, 06:32:18 AM
Read a piece on the new German defense minister. He has 0 experience in foreign policy or military matters. Just another pencil pusher.

He's been on the NATO parliament for 10 years...?
Nope he has been the interior minister for the state of Lower Saxony since 2013, but up until now has never held a position at the federal level.

Although it's hard to imagine he'll do a worse job than Lambrecht

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Lambrecht came under fire as defence minister before she took office in December 2021, for having no experience in the defence sector.

One month into office, she made headlines when she refused to deliver weapons to Ukraine and instead offered to send 5,000 helmets – which Kyiv’s major Wladimir Klitschko called “a joke” at the time.

The incident was only the first of many faux pas plaguing the German defence ministry. Only a few months later, it became public that she had taken her son with her on a trip in a Bundeswehr helicopter, which sent her approval ratings plummeting.

According to a poll released earlier this month, as many as 77% of Germans wanted her to resign, the lowest approval for a defence minister ever measured.

Lambrecht blamed her bad public image primarily on the media.
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on January 22, 2023, 02:02:49 PM
https://www.nato-pa.int/members/pistorius-boris
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 22, 2023, 02:44:02 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 22, 2023, 02:02:49 PM
https://www.nato-pa.int/members/pistorius-boris
Just read up on Deutsche Welle and a few other sources:
https://www.dw.com/en/boris-pistorius-to-become-germanys-new-defense-minister-reports/a-64418604 (https://www.dw.com/en/boris-pistorius-to-become-germanys-new-defense-minister-reports/a-64418604)
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-17/who-is-germany-s-new-defense-minister-boris-pistorius?leadSource=uverify%20wall (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-17/who-is-germany-s-new-defense-minister-boris-pistorius?leadSource=uverify%20wall)

As an Alternate Member he's basically a spare in case the actual members are unable to attend NATO meetings.
When I look at the Dutch delegation we're not exactly sending our best. Just some random MP's.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 22, 2023, 03:30:42 PM
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1617251970376503296 (https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1617251970376503296)

Looks like the US, French and Germany have succesfully cornered Poland into being the first.  :lol

If I was in the Kremlin I would go for the ultimate troll and sign a decree to greenlit the delivery of tanks from Germany to Ukraine.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 22, 2023, 06:08:52 PM
https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1617169657886040064 (https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1617169657886040064)

 :dead

https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1617277238873067522 (https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1617277238873067522)

Let's hope they get proper equipment and training
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on January 23, 2023, 01:22:29 AM
Quote from: Nintex on January 22, 2023, 06:08:52 PM
https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1617169657886040064 (https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1617169657886040064)


Every goddamn time :lol

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64362640

Quote
Labour is calling for a parliamentary investigation into claims the chairman of the BBC helped Boris Johnson secure a loan guarantee, weeks before the then-PM recommended him for the role.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on January 23, 2023, 12:55:05 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 23, 2023, 01:22:29 AM
Quote from: Nintex on January 22, 2023, 06:08:52 PM
https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1617169657886040064 (https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1617169657886040064)


Every goddamn time :lol

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64362640

Quote
Labour is calling for a parliamentary investigation into claims the chairman of the BBC helped Boris Johnson secure a loan guarantee, weeks before the then-PM recommended him for the role.

It will be different if he becomes PM again. No more sleaze. No more bluster. And Brexit will get done... for real.

 :letsfukk
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 23, 2023, 03:09:16 PM
Boris and Zelensky are both absolutely fucked so it makes sense they hang out together.

https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1617567203112681474 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1617567203112681474)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 23, 2023, 04:39:41 PM
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1617635123108917249 (https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1617635123108917249)

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1617636730106183680 (https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1617636730106183680)

what is going on

Quote
Deputy Prosecutor General of Ukraine Oleksiy Simonenko has resigned.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 24, 2023, 08:28:49 AM
https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1617843719771951109 (https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1617843719771951109)

guess someone talked?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on January 24, 2023, 10:42:25 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64304428

Quote
An estimated Ł4.5bn in Covid-19 support has been lost to error and fraud since 2020, the tax authority has revealed.

:pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 24, 2023, 02:03:23 PM
https://twitter.com/vonderburchard/status/1617939980529332230 (https://twitter.com/vonderburchard/status/1617939980529332230)

https://twitter.com/alexbward/status/1617947391793172480 (https://twitter.com/alexbward/status/1617947391793172480)

Deutsche Panzers im angriff  :cop
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on January 24, 2023, 02:47:57 PM
2022: Russia is so stupid tanks are old tech and sitting ducks for missiles what imbeciles

2023: ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Give tanks ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on January 24, 2023, 03:33:55 PM
Still good news. Pretty amazing a 40+-year-old tank outmatches anything Russia has dared put on the battlefield.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BrokenVerses on January 24, 2023, 03:40:51 PM
Quote from: james on January 24, 2023, 02:47:57 PM
2022: Russia is so stupid tanks are old tech and sitting ducks for missiles what imbeciles

2023: ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Give tanks ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

That was always a very shallow take on Reddit or Twitter or wherever. Tanks have never been invincible and while they are likely more vulnerable than before their weakness were exacerbated by Russia's bad planning and training.

Like how many of those videos were of tanks driving around alone unsupported or doing stupid stuff like sitting in the open shooting until they got destroyed by return fire. Or even just abandoned because they ran out of fuel lol.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 25, 2023, 11:57:38 AM
https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1618217167388053504 (https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1618217167388053504)

welp, that's the next German minister to resign  :lol

https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1618290964778602496 (https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1618290964778602496)

 :putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on January 25, 2023, 03:46:47 PM
 :putin

"Western tanks in Ukraine is unacceptable. We need to make them pay"

 :idont

"Let's attack Ukraine... more competently?"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 25, 2023, 05:43:45 PM
 :riot "Mr. President, Vladimir Vladimirovich, this is an outrage and a total disrespect for international law"

 :putin "You are right we cannot let the fascists get away with this. We will tell the world exactly what we think about these latest transgressions against the Russian world"


https://twitter.com/MapsUkraine/status/1618235102475214848 (https://twitter.com/MapsUkraine/status/1618235102475214848)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 27, 2023, 05:37:00 AM
Quote
Croatian President: "Maybe Germany is at war with Russia again. Good luck to them, maybe it will turn out better than 70 years ago.

Croatia is not at war with anyone. And I don't know how tanks will help Ukraine. Maybe they will help, maybe they will burn just like in Iraq"


:trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 28, 2023, 04:57:12 PM
https://twitter.com/no_itsmyturn/status/1619449663731671040 (https://twitter.com/no_itsmyturn/status/1619449663731671040)

https://twitter.com/no_itsmyturn/status/1619453099449679872 (https://twitter.com/no_itsmyturn/status/1619453099449679872)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 29, 2023, 04:35:58 AM
Al Arabiya claims Israel has started a special military operation to disarm Iran. While others say this is a response to the attack on the embassy of Azerbaijan in Tehran.

Some even point to Ukraine as Iran supplies Russia with drones and missiles.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on January 29, 2023, 08:00:28 AM
Quote
Dear Nadhim,

When I became Prime Minister last year, I pledged that the Government I lead would have integrity, professionalism and accountability at every level. That is why, following new information which came to light in recent days regarding your personal financial arrangements and declarations, I asked Sir Laurie Magnus, the Independent Adviser on Ministers' Interests, to fully investigate this matter. You agreed and undertook to cooperate fully with the inquiry Following the completion of the Independent Adviser's investigation - the findings of which he has shared with us both - it is clear that there has been a serious breach of the Ministerial Code. As a result, I have informed you of my decision to remove you from your position in His Majesty's Government. As you leave, you should be extremely proud of your wide-ranging achievements in government over the last five years. In particular, your successful oversight of the COVID-19 vaccine procurement and deployment programme which ensured the United Kingdom was at the forefront of the global response to the coronavirus pandemic. Your role was critical to ensuring our country came through this crisis and saved many lives. And as the Conservative Party Chairman, you have undertaken significant restructuring to Conservative Campaign Headquarters and readied us for important work in the coming months. It is also with pride that I, and previous prime ministers, have been able to draw upon the services of a Kurdish-born Iraqi refugee at the highest levels of the UK government. That is something which people up and down this country have rightly valued. I know I will be able to count on your support from the backbenches as you continue to passionately and determinedly serve your constituents of Stratford-on-Avon and represent the many issues and campaigns you are dedicated to. Thank you for your service to this and previous governments. Yours sincerely,

Rishi Sunak

Up next: Rishi sacks himself for his history of history of dodgy tax shit, of course.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 29, 2023, 01:20:03 PM
https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1619302063544082432 (https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1619302063544082432)

https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1619636422750912512 (https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1619636422750912512)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on January 29, 2023, 07:11:14 PM
https://twitter.com/vtchakarova/status/1619841676876578818 (https://twitter.com/vtchakarova/status/1619841676876578818)

 :money

They've got this wrong. It's not the Chinese doing the buying from the Dutch, that's nonsense.
If the Chinese wanted to do this they could just source chips from elsewhere in Asia to sell to Russia.

It's the Dutch companies that are using Chinese companies as intermediaries so they can keep selling to the Russians.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on February 01, 2023, 05:03:38 PM
https://mullvad.net/en/blog/2023/2/1/eu-chat-control-law-will-ban-open-source-operating-systems/

https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/

lol get fucked
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 01, 2023, 06:32:08 PM
Don't worry, after the cookie wall and privacy policy are accepted all you have to do is pass the AGE GATE on literally every website with an editable textfield.  :rage
Age verification will be very simple, just upload your photo ID and/or driver's license to every damn website.  :lol

This is already an ongoing debate, because in Germany they have decided that an IP address is personal information and thus the GDPR applies.
Which means that cookie walls and privacy policies are needed when using services like Google Fonts and the likes or having hyperlinks because an IP address is shared.

This also means that what most US-only sites are doing (blocking IP's) to evade the GDPR is also illegal. Because you need to check the users IP address to do so.
Just the act of checking the IP is already using the personal data and thus ILLEGAL.  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 02, 2023, 07:51:13 AM
The Dutch army is officially integrating into the German Army. Dutch mechanized and armored brigades will join the 1st and 10th Panzer Divisions.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on February 02, 2023, 10:03:54 AM
lol cucks
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on February 02, 2023, 10:31:22 AM
"Dutch army"  :crowdlaff
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on February 02, 2023, 12:21:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtxD6PDq6oM

:pika :pika :pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 02, 2023, 11:34:43 PM
Quote from: Uncle on February 01, 2023, 05:03:38 PM
https://mullvad.net/en/blog/2023/2/1/eu-chat-control-law-will-ban-open-source-operating-systems/

https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/

lol get fucked
Saw about this law elsewhere and thought it sounded great, finally get all these anti-free-speech Europeans off the internet so only the anti-free-speech Americans vex me with their desires to throw everyone in prison.

But seriously, you know it's a great law when:
Quote
To define a software application store the law makes a reference to the EU Digital Markets Act, Article 2, point 12 which defines “virtual assistant”. What they actually mean is point 14, which does define “software application store”.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 03, 2023, 12:03:45 AM
Quote from: https://inadequacy.org/public/stories/2001.12.28.55410.553.html
Of course there will need to be age restrictions as well. Nobody under the age of 14 or over the age of 75 will qualify for an Internet license. The very young need to develop their personalities, and exposure to the solitary net-surfing experience could severely stunt their mental and social development leading to autism or extremely violent behavior (or at the very least, social ineptitude, whilst the very old would be at risk of heart seizures and other complications caused by some of the more extreme content that is to be found on the Internet.

Enforcement of the Internet license may also prove to be problematic. However it needn't be so. A minor reworking of the TCP/IP protocol stack to include a license verification phase as part of the three way handshake, combined with strong encryption and digital signatures, and biometric scanning devices attached to every PC should make it trivial to ensure that the net is free from unlicensed surfers. Combine this with the threat of having your Internet license revoked for misbehaviour and you have a very powerful mechanism to control misuse of the 'net.

In the same way that posession of motor vehicle drivers license does not protect the driver from the occasional fender-bender, likewise the Internet license will not prevent the occasional abuse of the Internet from taking place. In order to provide a means of redress for those affected by a licensed surfer's poor nettiquette, there will need to be a mandatory insurance law. All licensed Internet users will need to take out insurance to cover their liabilities for any abuses they perpetrate online (whether accidental or intentional).

The regulation of the Internet promises to improve the Internet for everyone. By eliminating the irresponsible individuals who spoil the web for the rest of us, we will be able to enjoy an enhanced web surfing experience free from h4x0rs, skR1p7 K1dd135, spammers, misinformation, porn, extreme political lunatics, lame-assed websites and just about every other problem that plagues the Internet today. Your Internet license could become just as important to a future employer as a driver's license or a high school diploma is today! Of course, the Privacy Nazis and Freedom Fascists will trot out that familiar tired old chestnut:- that people who sacrifice their freedoms do not deserve them in the first place, but most of those kind of people are not parents and are unconcerned about protecting our children from the very real dangers of the unregulated Internet.

I hope I have given you surfers some food for thought. If you think I am being a control freak, just try to imagine the state our highways would be in today if anyone regardless of age or ability were entitled to drive an automobile, anyone regardless of age or ability were entitled to carry a gun and anyone regardless of age or ability were entitled to sell liquor to whomesoever they chose.

It's a sobering thought I think you will agree.
:hmm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 04, 2023, 12:35:17 PM
https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1621444026590191616 (https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1621444026590191616)

 :picard

Maybe include a Digital copy of Home Alone so the Ukrainians know how to defend themselves
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on February 04, 2023, 01:11:32 PM
Household lighting actually uses a fuckload of energy. LED lights are like 10 times more efficient and last 5+ times longer  :yeshrug
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 04, 2023, 01:39:00 PM
The Russian artillery and aviation will be delighted with lit up cities.

Pro tip: don't turn your lights on when there's a war on

Also I'm sure Ukraine is happy to divert vehicles and drivers from the war effort to distribute 35 million LED lights.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on February 04, 2023, 02:40:14 PM
 :picard
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 04, 2023, 03:03:19 PM
This woman is mostly responsible for the sorry state of the German army. I'm sure the Russians will swing by the post office once they break through the lines at Bakhmut to collect their free LED lights.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 04, 2023, 06:50:38 PM
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1622001211879587840 (https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1622001211879587840)

God speed to the heroes :salute
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 05, 2023, 02:49:52 PM
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1622316985211097088 (https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1622316985211097088)

I think this new guy is the one behind the op to blow up the crimea bridge.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 06, 2023, 01:58:11 AM
Massive 7.8 earthquake in Turkey and Syria. Entire buildings collapsed.  :o
https://twitter.com/AST_HQ/status/1622482445768482816 (https://twitter.com/AST_HQ/status/1622482445768482816)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 06, 2023, 05:37:39 AM
Second 7.8 earthquake  :pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 06, 2023, 06:21:22 AM
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1622551374352326657 (https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1622551374352326657)

Holy shit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on February 06, 2023, 12:08:00 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/AtlanticCouncil/status/1620834738029342721

 :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 06, 2023, 12:40:52 PM
Some journo's think Boris is going to replace Stoltenberg as next NATO secretary general or is planning to throw his hat in the ring.

According to the Russians a Ukrainian drone made it half way to Moscow
https://twitter.com/narrative_hole/status/1622582248670212097 (https://twitter.com/narrative_hole/status/1622582248670212097)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 06, 2023, 07:32:39 PM
https://twitter.com/RealScottRitter/status/1621860472986210304

 :badass
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: chronovore on February 07, 2023, 03:36:38 AM
If he was gonna suck Putin’s cock, he should at least have made sure he was getting Putin’s story straight.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 08, 2023, 09:38:53 AM
https://twitter.com/sidhant/status/1622649540083073025 (https://twitter.com/sidhant/status/1622649540083073025)

"China big and strong Russia little cuck" :juche  :gopnik "Blyat"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 08, 2023, 02:44:12 PM
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/909/525/70a.png)

Seems appropriate here
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on February 08, 2023, 05:05:29 PM
hmm

https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-biden-lied-about-nord-stream-sabotage-us-did-it-with-help-from-norway-report
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on February 08, 2023, 05:56:17 PM
After Seth Rich and him running interference for Assad, I don't put too much stock in Hersh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: jorma on February 08, 2023, 06:12:07 PM
Quote from: Uncle on February 08, 2023, 05:05:29 PM
hmm

https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-biden-lied-about-nord-stream-sabotage-us-did-it-with-help-from-norway-report

they were always the more likely culprit. added with the fact that neither denmark nor sweden has said fuck all about it ever since
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 09, 2023, 06:21:56 PM
https://twitter.com/DamCou/status/1623401375638904838
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 09, 2023, 07:10:59 PM
Quote from: Uncle on February 08, 2023, 05:05:29 PM
hmm

https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-biden-lied-about-nord-stream-sabotage-us-did-it-with-help-from-norway-report
https://twitter.com/samhusseini/status/1623805932361637891 (https://twitter.com/samhusseini/status/1623805932361637891)

This is going to bite them in the ass. They can't just keep yelling 'Russian propaganda' if they make no effort to find out who actually did it which makes them look suspicious to begin with.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 09, 2023, 08:43:19 PM
Why is the onus on the US government to find out who did it?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 09, 2023, 08:53:17 PM
Quote from: Potato on February 09, 2023, 08:43:19 PM
Why is the onus on the US government to find out who did it?
You always try to get the perp to confess at the start to save you time.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 10, 2023, 07:39:12 AM
Russian missiles now freely fly over Romania and Moldova from the black sea to their targets in Ukraine.
https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1623980526779478019 (https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1623980526779478019)

The Moldovan government has resigned.
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1624011783936540673 (https://twitter.com/AP/status/1624011783936540673)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 11, 2023, 05:41:24 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1624527579116871681?

Canadia getting in on the act now
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 11, 2023, 05:56:12 PM
Quote from: Potato on February 11, 2023, 05:41:24 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1624527579116871681?

Canadia getting in on the act now
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SharpFrenchAsiansmallclawedotter-size_restricted.gif)

:rogan
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 11, 2023, 08:19:42 PM
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1624573577923100672 (https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1624573577923100672)

https://twitter.com/5X5_NEWS/status/1624561022991302659 (https://twitter.com/5X5_NEWS/status/1624561022991302659)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 12, 2023, 08:47:55 AM
https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1624738013178695680 (https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1624738013178695680)

Tears of the Kingdom viral marketing is getting out of hand
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 12, 2023, 02:04:09 PM
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1624773037747757057 (https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1624773037747757057)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpu5a0Bl8eY
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 12, 2023, 04:11:02 PM
Another one shot down

https://twitter.com/Katie___Simpson/status/1624875037437067264 (https://twitter.com/Katie___Simpson/status/1624875037437067264)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on February 12, 2023, 04:17:32 PM
:aliens
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 12, 2023, 06:20:31 PM
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1624909455325294593 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1624909455325294593)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 12, 2023, 06:45:43 PM
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1624876021433368578 (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1624876021433368578)

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1624876714068156416 (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1624876714068156416)

:elon
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on February 13, 2023, 02:04:11 AM
Quote from: Nintex on February 12, 2023, 06:20:31 PM
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1624909455325294593 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1624909455325294593)

https://twitter.com/dlxinorbit/status/1624971833668763655


Of course the brits must try and steal it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64621721
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 13, 2023, 03:10:19 AM
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1624895649714958339 (https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1624895649714958339)

He does look off
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on February 13, 2023, 03:28:58 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/33RSNUW.gif)

 :-[
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 13, 2023, 03:31:16 AM

Quote from: Nintex on February 13, 2023, 03:10:19 AM
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1624895649714958339

He does look off
Definitely a body double
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 13, 2023, 12:28:51 PM
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1625023772712439809 (https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1625023772712439809)

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1625101013861519360 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1625101013861519360)

Looks like things are escalating soon.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on February 13, 2023, 01:17:24 PM
wtf

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1625141492925845510
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 13, 2023, 01:46:10 PM
Putting some pretty solid windows in those.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on February 13, 2023, 01:51:40 PM
 :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on February 13, 2023, 02:22:20 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 13, 2023, 01:46:10 PM
Putting some pretty solid windows in those.

That’s how you know it’s a false flag.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 13, 2023, 02:56:27 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 13, 2023, 01:46:10 PM
Putting some pretty solid windows in those.
Why didn't they make the whole plane building out of the black box windows.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 13, 2023, 05:44:11 PM
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1625230833370931228 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1625230833370931228)

:idont
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 13, 2023, 05:51:28 PM
https://twitter.com/AlexandruC4/status/1625259992566603777 (https://twitter.com/AlexandruC4/status/1625259992566603777)

:idont
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 13, 2023, 09:43:08 PM
Quote from: Nintex on February 13, 2023, 05:51:28 PM
https://twitter.com/AlexandruC4/status/1625259992566603777 (https://twitter.com/AlexandruC4/status/1625259992566603777)

:idont
Amazing how he managed to shoot himself in the back of his head
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on February 14, 2023, 11:02:03 AM
Quote from: Potato on February 13, 2023, 09:43:08 PM
Quote from: Nintex on February 13, 2023, 05:51:28 PM
https://twitter.com/AlexandruC4/status/1625259992566603777 (https://twitter.com/AlexandruC4/status/1625259992566603777)

:idont
Amazing how he managed to shoot himself in the back of his head

 :putin

"put the rifle behind your head, hold it by the barrel then lean forward so the trigger hits a window handle."

"Russia window technology is decades ahead of Western designs. So adaptable"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 15, 2023, 12:11:42 PM
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1625901567361658881 (https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1625901567361658881)

Putin Direct announced.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on February 16, 2023, 10:35:55 AM
Keep your bunkers well stocked boys
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 16, 2023, 01:48:18 PM
https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1626234517886492675 (https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1626234517886492675)

and your windows closed :putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on February 17, 2023, 01:04:30 PM
Canada may soon allow children to choose to kill themselves

https://globalnews.ca/news/9491605/maid-minors-canada-medically-assisted-dying-committee-report/
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on February 17, 2023, 01:39:54 PM
Quote from: Uncle on February 17, 2023, 01:04:30 PM
Canada may soon allow children to choose to kill themselves

https://globalnews.ca/news/9491605/maid-minors-canada-medically-assisted-dying-committee-report/

(https://www.publicdomainpictures.net/pictures/260000/velka/airplane-sunset-travel.jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 17, 2023, 01:50:17 PM
Good.  One of the first news events that I remember was Robert Latimer.  Euthanasia in Canada has made significant progress but it is still incredibly hard to actually meet the requirements.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on February 17, 2023, 05:22:09 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on February 17, 2023, 01:50:17 PM
Good.  One of the first news events that I remember was Robert Latimer.  Euthanasia in Canada has made significant progress but it is still incredibly hard to actually meet the requirements.

unfortunately, it doesn't sound like this would've applied in that case; it's not for parents to decide, but the child of sound mind:

Quote
minors deemed to have the appropriate decision-making capacity should be eligible for assisted death
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 17, 2023, 05:53:51 PM
Yes, I know, the committee considered multiple extensions to the current rules and this was one of them.  The point was that the qualifications right now are far too restrictive and limit its use in cases like Latimer's, which you point out would still be ineligible, or when a teen with terminal cancer can be deemed competent enough to refuse treatment but still is not deemed competent enough to qualify for assisted dying. 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 18, 2023, 12:32:42 PM
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1626995025249816576 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1626995025249816576)

He went out with a bang
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 18, 2023, 06:49:12 PM
https://twitter.com/noahbarkin/status/1626883659981631488 (https://twitter.com/noahbarkin/status/1626883659981631488)
China is going to present a peace plan while the US is warning folks at the Munich Security Conference that they think China may start to supply Russia with weapons.

It seems that the US attempt to try and get Europe to fight a war with Russia, Iran and China is backfiring. 
https://twitter.com/SpokespersonCHN/status/1626792943637106688 (https://twitter.com/SpokespersonCHN/status/1626792943637106688)

https://twitter.com/cgtnamerica/status/1627084296929546243 (https://twitter.com/cgtnamerica/status/1627084296929546243)

https://twitter.com/cgtnamerica/status/1627072447714578433 (https://twitter.com/cgtnamerica/status/1627072447714578433)

Anthony Blinken is the dumbest motherfucker.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HaughtyFrank on February 18, 2023, 07:15:18 PM
https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1626769681230045186
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 19, 2023, 02:29:36 PM
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1627357471617519616 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1627357471617519616)

The blood god demands more blood
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 19, 2023, 02:50:00 PM
https://twitter.com/Shedletsky/status/1627377576707776512 (https://twitter.com/Shedletsky/status/1627377576707776512)

 :existential
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 19, 2023, 04:16:34 PM
What's the point of an 8K TV?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 19, 2023, 05:27:03 PM
It's about banning products because of energy restrictions. You can extend this to basically anything like GPU's, consoles or CPU's.
The Samsung 8k panels consume between ~170 - 240 watts depending on brightness. That's pretty much the same energy draw as a PS5.


Kim's playing with rockets again
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1627430184717524998 (https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1627430184717524998)

You mean the head of the Russian intelligence unit was German  :lol
https://twitter.com/amlivemon/status/1627426040174809090 (https://twitter.com/amlivemon/status/1627426040174809090)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on February 19, 2023, 08:49:31 PM
maybe bernie really is a russian  :larry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 20, 2023, 02:56:43 PM
They're hyping Putin's speech in Moscow
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1627735451678216201 (https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1627735451678216201)
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1627658516340125696 (https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1627658516340125696)

He's supposed to speak in about 14 hours.

Biden visited Zelensky in Kyiv today.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 21, 2023, 03:43:51 AM
https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1627947804285968384 (https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1627947804285968384)

Ya'll ready for WW3
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Coax on February 21, 2023, 05:16:09 AM
Youtube's auto English subs for the feed may as well be randomly generated
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on February 21, 2023, 05:42:54 AM
Quote from: Nintex on February 21, 2023, 03:43:51 AM
https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1627947804285968384 (https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1627947804285968384)

Ya'll ready for WW3
:salute
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on February 21, 2023, 08:00:23 AM
Quote from: Nintex on February 21, 2023, 03:43:51 AM
https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1627947804285968384 (https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1627947804285968384)

Ya'll ready for WW3

he's always using the "skinny" filter in his pictures  :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 21, 2023, 02:52:09 PM
https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1628000519221395456 (https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1628000519221395456)

Watching the Z's defend Putin's boring ass speech is the best part of it  :lol

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpfP20kWAAETPfo?format=jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 23, 2023, 05:53:04 PM
https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1628875261293756418 (https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1628875261293756418)

Rumor has it Ukraine is about to attack the chunk of Moldava the Russians occupy called Transnistria.

Another rumor states that the Russians are planning an amphibious assault towards Odessa.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: jorma on February 24, 2023, 07:11:07 AM
Quote from: Nintex on February 21, 2023, 02:52:09 PM
https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1628000519221395456 (https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1628000519221395456)

Watching the Z's defend Putin's boring ass speech is the best part of it  :lol

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpfP20kWAAETPfo?format=jpg)

 :dead

last dude knows how to survive in Putins russia  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 24, 2023, 03:59:45 PM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1629175079211790336 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1629175079211790336)

peace?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 24, 2023, 04:25:16 PM
https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1628397560934068224 (https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1628397560934068224)

Some Trump Energy from Wang Yi, Putin is China's little bitch now.  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on February 24, 2023, 06:03:28 PM
wank yi making a power move possibly  ???

xi better watch his back!

don't be surprised to see the wankster disappeared and reeeee-educated  :chinacry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2023, 11:39:21 PM
https://twitter.com/HanniPunished/status/1628836905050595328
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on February 25, 2023, 12:10:40 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 24, 2023, 11:39:21 PM
https://twitter.com/HanniPunished/status/1628836905050595328 (https://twitter.com/HanniPunished/status/1628836905050595328)
That's pretty ironic. Maybe Europe should deport all the Tunisians back as well.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 25, 2023, 06:17:06 AM
That's going to be the next political shock for the white liberal upper classes in Europe.
The Arabs, Turks, Syrians, Afghans and now Ukrainians they've all brought over to 'save' are far more 'conservative' and often racist than your average European betacuck.

We have a Syrian intern and he's a good kid and works hard. He's against public healthcare. He says that people should pay their own hospital bills and he thinks his taxes are too high.
The idea that these kids are going to pay for the pensions and work in the hospitals is not going to work out the way the boomers think it does.

And that's just the economic side of things. Once you get into womens right and the alphabet people, oh boy  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on February 26, 2023, 04:37:18 AM
Ah yes, name a rather sensitive agreement about NI with the EU after the UK royalty, and get old Charlie involved, this seems like a terrific idea :lol

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1629193807181881346
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on February 26, 2023, 05:43:38 AM
The Windsor Surrender.  :delicious
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on February 28, 2023, 02:06:17 PM
https://twitter.com/grantltaylor/status/1630215815885729792 (https://twitter.com/grantltaylor/status/1630215815885729792)

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1630524799981084672 (https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1630524799981084672)

lmao what a shit show with this communist  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on February 28, 2023, 03:13:56 PM
https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1630516003267309570

:dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 01, 2023, 02:47:30 PM
https://twitter.com/AlexandruC4/status/1631007656264474624 (https://twitter.com/AlexandruC4/status/1631007656264474624)

Sounds like tea time
 :putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 02, 2023, 03:40:40 PM
36 year old Iranian stabbed a 9 year old Dutch girl in Sweden

Pro-Ukrainian Russian terrorists assaulted a village in Bryansk

Guess the AI's are now randomly generating terror attacks too?  ???
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 02, 2023, 06:31:06 PM
https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1631358990683709440 (https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1631358990683709440)

It's go time  :usacry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 02, 2023, 07:12:30 PM
Lithium isn't even rare.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on March 02, 2023, 08:59:39 PM
not anymore
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 03, 2023, 12:20:33 AM
nirvana told me that's how you find Allah  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HardcoreRetro on March 03, 2023, 03:55:50 AM
I like how our "renewable" resources are dependant on fucking lithium. You fuckers didn't solve anything, you just shifted from oil to lithium.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on March 03, 2023, 08:58:07 AM
Yeah, but the difference is you can conjure up new battery chemistry and not have to rejig your entire energy economy, unlike petroleum.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 03, 2023, 12:26:14 PM
We dont need batteries, just put solar panels on things like my calculator that works just fine
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 03, 2023, 01:17:08 PM
Quote from: james on March 03, 2023, 12:26:14 PM
We dont need batteries, just put solar panels on things like my calculator that works just fine
Nintendo controllers last forever on one charge. They last so long that I often don't remember where the charging cable is by the time it runs out again.

Maybe we should look into Nintendo Magic for our energy needs just like Link is doing in The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom TM
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on March 03, 2023, 01:20:04 PM
https://twitter.com/FridaGhitis/status/1631659065137852417
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 03, 2023, 01:21:17 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 03, 2023, 01:17:08 PM
Quote from: james on March 03, 2023, 12:26:14 PM
We dont need batteries, just put solar panels on things like my calculator that works just fine
Nintendo controllers last forever on one charge. They last so long that I often don't remember where the charging cable is by the time it runs out again.

Maybe we should look into Nintendo Magic for our energy needs just like Link is doing in The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom TM

Good point, the technology used in the WaveBird is essentially fission
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 03, 2023, 02:07:51 PM
Quote from: Raist on March 03, 2023, 01:20:04 PM
https://twitter.com/FridaGhitis/status/1631659065137852417
Watching China and India openly treat the Russians like their bottom bitch is a sight to behold.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 04, 2023, 11:00:54 AM
tfw the guy that killed your dad feels bad about it so he gives you your dads job

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1631978452944404480 (https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1631978452944404480)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 04, 2023, 02:52:33 PM
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1632100713424715778 (https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1632100713424715778)

welp, that's it for Volodomyr Zelenskyy Time to pack your bags and head for Florida breh
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on March 05, 2023, 06:32:33 AM
Quote from: Raist on March 03, 2023, 01:20:04 PM
https://twitter.com/FridaGhitis/status/1631659065137852417

Laughrov.

 :putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 05, 2023, 02:57:34 PM
https://twitter.com/johnpaul_newman/status/1631760259801858049 (https://twitter.com/johnpaul_newman/status/1631760259801858049)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 05, 2023, 05:35:06 PM
(https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/729c2fdcb484a148656bf91d67bccef2)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on March 06, 2023, 05:17:45 PM
Australia has fallen

https://twitter.com/VOANews/status/1632773039170650119
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 06, 2023, 06:05:26 PM
https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1632858764813451266 (https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1632858764813451266)

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1632815508780138503 (https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1632815508780138503)

Ukraine is ending more units towards Bakhmut.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 06, 2023, 07:41:26 PM
Quote from: Skullfuckers Anonymous on March 06, 2023, 05:17:45 PM
Australia has fallen

https://twitter.com/VOANews/status/1632773039170650119
Saw that. I think someone might need to have a word with those pilots that maybe the armed forces are not for them.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 06, 2023, 09:15:00 PM
I thought that was about commercial airline pilots  :doge


the aussies have a soy force  :auscry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 06, 2023, 10:25:06 PM
Actually sounds more like standard debriefs rather than "counselling".
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 07, 2023, 01:55:03 PM
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1633128532833599488 (https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1633128532833599488)

(https://i.imgur.com/621rUh6.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 07, 2023, 02:08:00 PM
That would have been a significantly well trained and equipped "pro-Ukrainian group". I wonder where they got that from?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on March 07, 2023, 02:39:23 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 07, 2023, 01:55:03 PM
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1633128532833599488 (https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1633128532833599488)

(https://i.imgur.com/621rUh6.png)

Isn't the US a "pro-Ukrainian" group as well?


 :spiders
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 07, 2023, 05:19:45 PM
https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1633227452385312771 (https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1633227452385312771)

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1633216337064460299 (https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1633216337064460299)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 07, 2023, 06:32:46 PM
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1633132900437872643 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1633132900437872643)

I swear these events are just AI generated. Belgian firefighters storming the EU commission building  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 10, 2023, 04:15:41 PM
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1634239990354853898 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1634239990354853898)

China has brokered a deal between Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Anthony Blinken remains the dumbest motherfucker on the planet who still somehow has a job.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 11, 2023, 07:25:39 AM
https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1634527430881820676 (https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1634527430881820676)

Yevgeny literally soy face on the front line
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fq8CPctWYAESh-j?format=png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on March 11, 2023, 11:14:21 AM
Thats not soy face >:(
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on March 13, 2023, 02:26:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V9ucZCL0A4&t=302s

 :sabu
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 13, 2023, 04:13:52 PM
https://twitter.com/NatalkaKyiv/status/1635276648420634634 (https://twitter.com/NatalkaKyiv/status/1635276648420634634)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrGrUwvaMAEINl4?format=jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 14, 2023, 02:59:04 PM
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1635690613977886728 (https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1635690613977886728)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 15, 2023, 07:44:49 PM
Exit polls predict the Dutch Senate and Provincial elections are won by the Farmer Citizen Movement(BBB) a new politcal party. Winning about 15 out of 75 seats. A distant second finish for Mark Rutte's VVD(sitting PM) winning 10 seats. About 20 parties competed in total.

Small but significant gains for the Animal Party. Volt and the new right wing party Ja21 (a spin off of Forum for Democracy) enter the senate with about 2 to 3 seats each. The big winner of the previous election, Forum for Democracy drops from 12 to 2 or 3 seats.

A crushing defeat for them, Christian Democrats, Wilders, Socialist and pro-EU parties. As well as pro-Erdogan party DENK not winning a seat and Forum for Democracy spin off BVNL not winning a seat.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 15, 2023, 08:27:43 PM
What does that mean? A general movement back towards the centre or a continued movement to niche patties on the fringes like everywhere else in the world?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 15, 2023, 10:42:19 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 10, 2023, 04:15:41 PM
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1634239990354853898 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1634239990354853898)

China has brokered a deal between Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Anthony Blinken remains the dumbest motherfucker on the planet who still somehow has a job.
:delicious
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on March 16, 2023, 10:54:32 AM
French President Emmanuel Macron on Thursday resorted to using special constitutional powers to push his plan to raise the retirement age to 64 from 62 through the lower house of parliament.

Grab your popcorn folks, the cars on fire create a beautiful evening glow
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on March 16, 2023, 12:04:01 PM
Quote from: james on March 16, 2023, 10:54:32 AM
French President Emmanuel Macron on Thursday resorted to using special constitutional powers to push his plan to raise the retirement age to 64 from 62 through the lower house of parliament.

Grab your popcorn folks, the cars on fire create a beautiful evening glow

Why set the cars on fire when there are tons of trash piling up (because of other strikes), just waiting to be set ablaze.

 :delicious

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on March 16, 2023, 01:31:46 PM
Quote from: Potato on March 15, 2023, 08:27:43 PM
What does that mean? A general movement back towards the centre or a continued movement to niche patties on the fringes like everywhere else in the world?

Sounds like they want a return to feudalism or some shit :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on March 16, 2023, 02:54:26 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 14, 2023, 02:59:04 PM
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1635690613977886728 (https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1635690613977886728)


https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1635712686028619779


Let's see the receipts then.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqsSYp-51Hs

:marimo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 16, 2023, 03:14:26 PM
The Russians have given up on even trying to tell believable lies. The people they're communicating with don't care anyway. Western tankies, the controlled eastern masses, and anti-US Europeans don't give a shit.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2023, 03:19:58 PM
Quote from: Potato on March 15, 2023, 08:27:43 PM
What does that mean? A general movement back towards the centre or a continued movement to niche patties on the fringes like everywhere else in the world?
I think you need to look at how that part of Europe has done things forever, first one is the current Dutch House:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Dutch_House_of_Representatives%2C_2022%E2%80%93present.svg/250px-Dutch_House_of_Representatives%2C_2022%E2%80%93present.svg.png)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Belgium_Chamber_of_Deputies_26032022.svg/250px-Belgium_Chamber_of_Deputies_26032022.svg.png)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Folketing_2023-03-10.svg/260px-Folketing_2023-03-10.svg.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 16, 2023, 03:51:02 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 16, 2023, 03:19:58 PM
Quote from: Potato on March 15, 2023, 08:27:43 PM
What does that mean? A general movement back towards the centre or a continued movement to niche patties on the fringes like everywhere else in the world?
I think you need to look at how that part of Europe has done things forever, first one is the current Dutch House:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Dutch_House_of_Representatives%2C_2022%E2%80%93present.svg/250px-Dutch_House_of_Representatives%2C_2022%E2%80%93present.svg.png)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Belgium_Chamber_of_Deputies_26032022.svg/250px-Belgium_Chamber_of_Deputies_26032022.svg.png)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Folketing_2023-03-10.svg/260px-Folketing_2023-03-10.svg.png)
I'm aware of the multiparty composition of most European parliaments. What I'm asking about is whether there is a movement among those parties back towards the centre or a continued shift to the fringes.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2023, 03:54:30 PM
Quote from: Potato on March 16, 2023, 03:51:02 PM
I'm aware of the multiparty composition of most European parliaments.
Yeah, not what I was illustrating about the Low Countries and Denmark. These parties don't exist to move "back towards the center" or anything like that and never have. There's already "center" parties if you want to vote for those.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 16, 2023, 04:16:32 PM
Quote from: Potato on March 15, 2023, 08:27:43 PM
What does that mean? A general movement back towards the centre or a continued movement to niche patties on the fringes like everywhere else in the world?

It depends on your perspective. This is what the party looks like with Caroline (the leader) in the middle.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrSyRQ-XoAQ4MHU?format=jpg)
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In an era where most political leaders and parties try to model themselves after Obama or Hillary Clinton she insists they stay 'normal' and grounded.
Having just won a single seat in the previous election to represent the farmers in parliament, she worked hard to learn the ropes of national politics.

The party platform is a mix of both right and left wing ideas and they don't consider themselves a right wing party. They very much focus on local issues, such as keeping services like healthcare and public transport available in rural areas.
It is what expanded her appeal beyond just the farmers. It's the idea that someone stands up for the common man and the issues the politicians in the Hague don't seem to care about or are unable to fix no matter how small or insignificant.
They call this "de menselijke maat" or "the human scale". The government should trust and work for, not against the people, that sort of thing. The right wing opposition mostly represented by Wilders and FvD lost a lot of votes to her but so did the Socialists and Christian Democrats. The ruling parties really fucked up this campaign. The minister of housing for example met with a bunch of young people who can't find a home and one of them started to list all the things that she tried and he told her: "Have you tried to find a rich boyfriend?" . The finance minister during the debate said: "People need to accept that expropriation is just a part of life" as a comment on her plans to expropriate the farmers.

The left is very much against the BBB because they don't want to expropriate the farmers, tax meat, ban fishing or do other things that the left considers 'essential' to save the climate. However the problem for the left is that they've pretty much supported this government every step of the way. The biggest BBB opponent ran on a platform of: "If these people get more power, our plans won't continue" which is exactly what most of the country wanted to happen. Another big factor is that Mark Rutte is a soulless bureaucrat. Many times he's confronted with scandals like children dying in refugee camps or children being removed from their parents because they've been wrongly accused of tax fraud. And he always says something like: "That's terrible, but the economy has grown by 0.5% so things are going really well!" and when utterly shocked people follow up with: "Do you actually care?" he says: "Yes, some things go wrong but whe shouldn't lose sight of the things that work out well!" . The right also had no answer, with COVID gone the FvD platform is a mixed bag of anti-woke, anti-war and conspiracy talking points. The expropriation of farmers overshadowed migration so Wilders couldn't get any traction either. The FvD tried to label BBB as 'controlled opposition' just another tool of the government to stay in power but even they don't believe that.

The biggest risk is that like parties that exploded in popularity so quickly before (LPF,FvD) the BBB falls apart. But there are currently no signs that it will follow the same trajectory as those other parties.
Despite having a platform and specific demands, she's also not against working with other parties. I don't think there's a movement like this anywhere in the world. When the journalists visited their party office today there wasn't any fancy catering. Just her son baking eggs for everyone. When they ask her if this is the best thing she could hope for she says: "I wish my late husband was still here to celebrate with me".
A genuine, authentic, normal person in politics :mindblown
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2023, 04:19:37 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 16, 2023, 04:16:32 PM
The minister of housing for example met with a bunch of young people who can't find a home and one of them started to list all the things that she tried and he told her: "Have you tried to find a rich boyfriend?"
Well, did she?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 16, 2023, 04:31:12 PM
before I forget, I didn't vote for the BBB farming lady, it was too normie for me.

I voted for absolute chaos
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 16, 2023, 05:56:34 PM
Quote from: james on March 16, 2023, 10:54:32 AM
French President Emmanuel Macron on Thursday resorted to using special constitutional powers to push his plan to raise the retirement age to 64 from 62 through the lower house of parliament.

Grab your popcorn folks, the cars on fire create a beautiful evening glow

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1636479988277948416 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1636479988277948416)

https://twitter.com/AlertesInfos/status/1636457407155937295 (https://twitter.com/AlertesInfos/status/1636457407155937295)

 :playa

French car dealers :money
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 16, 2023, 07:23:09 PM
Can't sell cars that have been burned too

 :patel
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on March 17, 2023, 11:43:39 AM
https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1636752275346542593
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HardcoreRetro on March 17, 2023, 01:22:45 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 16, 2023, 04:31:12 PM
before I forget, I didn't vote for the BBB farming lady, it was too normie for me.

I voted for absolute chaos

VVD?

I voted for the socialist party once again. Couldn't in good conscience vote for BBB with how that party is treating the nitrogen problems.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 17, 2023, 05:30:11 PM
The SP was actually on my short list too I like some SP MP's like Renske Leijten and Peter Kwint. I didn't really decide until the last minute. Any of the ruling parties were ruled out for me, in general I don't like these 'old' boomer parties, not even the PVV. In the past I used to vote for D66 until they abolished the referendum after the Ukraine referendum and I'm glad I did because shortly after they brought in Kaag.  :yuck

In my view our country is basically held hostage by boomers desperately holding on to their riches, power and houses and they've denied younger people a chance to build up their lives. I 'deal' with these people every day. They attempt to pay as little for any work as possible or have a female assistant do all the work while making out like bandits themselves owning multiple houses and driving SUV's. They act like they're superior, yet they can't open a PDF. Someone like Jesse Klaver who "leads" GroenLinks is just another puppet doing their bidding. It is beyond ridiculous that we have to pay 1 billion a year to keep the public broadcast channels in the air, which only produces boomer drivel, corruption and now abuse. I often joked to co-workers that I'd be surprised if anyone without dentures would vote in this election. The campaign was all about boomer shit.

I reluctantly voted for FvD because it's still the only party that mostly represents younger people and these elections were mostly about local issues. 40% of FvD voters from 4 years ago didn't vote at all. Mostly younger voters obviously. Had they voted FvD would've been about on par with D66 or CDA. It's crazy how things changed in little over 4 years. I know many people dislike Baudet and his party now (despite having voted for him in the past) but I'm actually glad he didn't "gift" Joost Eerdmans and Nanninga 1 million voters for yet another boomer party on a platter. Still it's time for him to become party chairman and pass on the leadership but not to the Marmot.

And for the water thing I voted for the PvdA (labour) to balance the force.
 
Shame it was two seperate ballots if it was just one ballot the vote counter would've been like
:wut

Anyway I think Rutte is going to continue on the current course anyway. He'll just get support from the PvdA/GL to ensure the BBB can't cancel their climate agenda and when those parties don't have the votes he'll shop at JA21 or the Animal Party and Volt.
The next election will probably be a full on VVD(city/west)/BBB(rural/east) brawl that Rutte will win by absorbing the D66/CDA/CU/PvdA/GL 'strategic' anti-BBB votes because he pushed on with the climate regulations and some of us don't want a farming lady to represent us.
As much I would enjoy a meeting between US President Trump and Dutch Prime Minister Caroline van der Plas even I would vote for Rutte if it would come to that.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 18, 2023, 10:04:26 PM
https://twitter.com/nocontextfre/status/1635464536848310280
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 18, 2023, 10:31:11 PM
Quote from: HardcoreRetro on March 17, 2023, 01:22:45 PM
Quote from: Nintex on March 16, 2023, 04:31:12 PM
before I forget, I didn't vote for the BBB farming lady, it was too normie for me.

I voted for absolute chaos

VVD?

I voted for the socialist party once again. Couldn't in good conscience vote for BBB with how that party is treating the nitrogen problems.
Checks out. Virgil and the Liverpool defence have been total chaos this season.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 20, 2023, 02:40:42 PM
https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1637848061039857666 (https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1637848061039857666)

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1637883884359524355 (https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1637883884359524355)

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1637820477736361984 (https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1637820477736361984)

(https://media1.giphy.com/media/AyHyH5RHZtkt4jO82U/200.gif?cid=ecf05e47dcragb50jxdarr28jo91il26bg6j07cffk60ilqg&rid=200.gif&ct=g)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 20, 2023, 04:09:34 PM
 :dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 21, 2023, 03:38:46 PM
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1638261890529869828 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1638261890529869828)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on March 21, 2023, 07:27:47 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65012965

Quote
Partygate: I misled MPs but not intentionally, says Boris Johnson

Quote
Boris Johnson has accepted he misled Parliament over Covid rule-breaking parties in Downing Street, but denied he did it on purpose.

The former prime minister has published a 52-page defence of his actions ahead of a grilling by MPs on Wednesday.

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 21, 2023, 07:58:58 PM
Quote
52-page defence of his actions

I see Boris has found Chat GPT
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 21, 2023, 10:22:35 PM
Quote from: https://www.smh.com.au/national/murdoch-succeeded-where-putin-failed-time-for-a-fox-hunt-20230320-p5ctkd.html
Rupert Murdoch – Australia’s biggest media mogul – succeeded where Vladimir Putin failed. He turned Americans against each other, promoting anger, hatred and lies.
:era

Apparently this all means the Aussie government needs to investigate something or other to decide how to further limit freedom of speech in Australia:
Quote
Putin must have been hugging himself in delight. No amount of Russian interference could have achieved this.

...

These events alone justify the rigorous inquiry that only a royal commission can bring. Just this week Australians have been reminded of how dependent we are on our American ally. Indeed, the AUKUS agreement has doubled down on that dependence. So the subversion of American democracy threatens Australia, and Australian security, as much as it threatens the United States.

...

Most Australians, like many Americans a decade ago, would barely have noticed this happening. They don’t watch Sky or buy Murdoch’s newspapers. News Corp’s power to decide elections has diminished. But politicians remain fearful of News Corp’s retribution, its power to set the broader media agenda, and its influence on the political right is growing. The burgeoning Sky-aligned faction is driving moderate voters away from the Liberal and National parties, or encouraging self-radicalisation in order to fit in. And that poses a major problem for our democracy.

For the Coalition parties, this is a crucial moment.

The pace of this transformation over the past five years has been breathtaking. As seasoned leaders in politics, it has surprised even us. The game has changed. Our democracy is still one of competing parties but, unless action is taken, it risks becoming one of competing realities.

We believe a royal commission into media concentration is now needed to defend our democracy. That is why we have agreed to join Australians for a Murdoch Royal Commission as its co-chairs, succeeding Kevin Rudd.

This is not a Left-Right issue, we come from both sides of the political divide. Freedom of the press is sacred, but it can no longer be a shield of convenience for bad-faith actors who knowingly lie. We do not presume to have the answers – that’s what the commission is for – but we do know that the Foxification of Australia won’t be halted by piecemeal media reforms that can’t pass parliament unless they are signed off by Rupert.

We stand ready to make this case, and we need the continuing support of all Australians who value our democracy to help deliver the message to Canberra: if you have the courage to act, we will support you.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on March 21, 2023, 10:48:47 PM
America takes another L.

https://twitter.com/BenVerlander/status/1638371142967734273

https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1638371531653881856

 :miyamoto
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 22, 2023, 12:26:25 AM
Media ownership concentration in Australia is one of the highest in the developed world.

High concentration of media ownership being a threat to democracy and freedom of speech is not really up for debate.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 22, 2023, 03:12:09 PM
https://twitter.com/VALERIEinNYT/status/1638299403235520522 (https://twitter.com/VALERIEinNYT/status/1638299403235520522)

They captured the audio, China owns Russia now. Putin is Xi's bottom bitch.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 22, 2023, 03:21:55 PM
putin send in his double to do the bottoming  :hump :putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on March 22, 2023, 04:22:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxc-3V_yH5s
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on March 24, 2023, 06:12:35 PM
https://twitter.com/RadioGenova/status/1639187461577363456

 :lol :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 24, 2023, 06:19:34 PM
https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/1639385752047067136 (https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/1639385752047067136)

 :biden *pokes with stick* come on man do war


The United States does not seek conflict with Iran, BUT
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on March 24, 2023, 09:19:36 PM
Quote from: Propagandhim on March 24, 2023, 06:12:35 PM
https://twitter.com/RadioGenova/status/1639187461577363456

 :lol :lol
So very French.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 25, 2023, 09:55:59 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FsEXwt6WAAQKq_y?format=jpg)

Syria is attacking our bases :six:

Wait, those bases are in their country aren't you attacking them :wut

That doesn't count :six:
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2023, 02:56:09 PM
The "Iranian-backed forces" is a nice touch since the Syrian state is backed by Iran. :delicious
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2023, 07:51:44 PM
https://twitter.com/caitoz/status/1639766945934479360
https://twitter.com/caitoz/status/1639770472106848256
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 25, 2023, 07:57:09 PM
There was another one of those clowns that was often pushed by Adam Kinzinger. It turned out that he was never in Ukraine and it was all a larp  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 25, 2023, 08:48:06 PM
how much they paying for volunteers over there?  :money
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 26, 2023, 07:08:55 PM
https://twitter.com/dana916/status/1640124929881325568 (https://twitter.com/dana916/status/1640124929881325568)

https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1640106962212864000 (https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1640106962212864000)

 :yeshrug
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on March 26, 2023, 07:19:13 PM
 :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 27, 2023, 06:45:44 PM
https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1640451032311377920 (https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1640451032311377920)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 29, 2023, 09:33:40 PM
Occam Intensifies:
https://twitter.com/sarahemclaugh/status/1641147410054529024
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on March 30, 2023, 07:42:44 PM
Quote
She stands accused of "insulting the president of the republic" and will stand trial on June 20 in Saint Omer, the prosecutor said.


:dead


 
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Italy has a similar insane "insult" public officials law that they conveniently wrap up with a and/or violent threat clause
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on March 30, 2023, 08:17:25 PM
IIRC, many of the post-war European Republics have similar laws against lese-majesty. Germany even had a law against insulting foreign heads of state but they got rid of it after people tried to prosecute a comedian for insulting Erdogan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%B6hmermann_affair
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on March 31, 2023, 03:03:17 PM
The 4th Ukrainian army is ready

https://twitter.com/envirosec/status/1641584007686266881 (https://twitter.com/envirosec/status/1641584007686266881)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 02, 2023, 02:17:33 PM
https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1642560399231840321 (https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1642560399231840321)

:putin

The cafe is owned by Wagner boss Prigozhin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 02, 2023, 03:29:42 PM
Here's the moment he was handed the bomb

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FsuQ0_iWYAUM7Wj?format=png)

Here's the woman who gave him the bomb according to state media
https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1642591488776216576 (https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1642591488776216576)

:putin

apparently Prigozhin was supposed to be there too.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HardcoreRetro on April 02, 2023, 03:35:44 PM
Man, that figurine looks distinguished mentally-challenged. I wish we had a better look at it. Not even going out to a cool figurine. What a fucking loser.

Edit: If you can't handle gore, don't scroll through the guy's twitter. There's a video of the guy in there, face down, head looking like a strawberry pudding. There's no age-gate on it yet.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 02, 2023, 06:02:53 PM
Prigozhin claims he has captured the center of Bakhmut and planted a flag in honor of the killed military blogger.

https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1642641229564325888 (https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1642641229564325888)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 02, 2023, 06:13:36 PM
The sitting pro-war social democrat PM of Finland lost the elections, ended in 3rd place behind 2 right wing parties.
Greens and other small left wing parties decimated.

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1642624120293584897 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1642624120293584897)

https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1642625136078512132 (https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1642625136078512132)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on April 02, 2023, 06:44:07 PM
Both the hot Finn and the Kiwi bird have gone in the last 12 months. Political fap material is greatly diminished.
 :salute
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on April 03, 2023, 12:21:53 AM
https://twitter.com/mutohd/status/1642626795043209222
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on April 03, 2023, 12:29:46 AM
Uh, her party gained three seats and two points it says.

"reckless" :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 03, 2023, 10:47:48 AM
Update on the bombing in St. Petersburg:
- The package was not allowed in by security
- The bomber, Darja started talking to Vladlen from her seat during the event
- She said “I brought you a figurine as present”
- He asked “Where is it?”
- She said “They said it may be a bomb, so it’s at the entrance with the security”
- He asked for it to be brought forward
-> Couple of minutes later he was dead and dozens of people injured.

:dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on April 03, 2023, 12:38:51 PM
Quote from: Potato on April 02, 2023, 06:44:07 PM
Both the hot Finn and the Kiwi bird have gone in the last 12 months. Political fap material is greatly diminished.
 :salute

Sanna served long enough to join NATO and give Ukraine tanks and ammunition.

 :salute

And she was hot.

 :shaq
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 03, 2023, 12:53:58 PM
https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1642900829739917314 (https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1642900829739917314)

woopsie :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on April 04, 2023, 02:18:36 AM
How many seats you gotta keep in the House of Commons before they make the majority fill out the opposition frontbench for fairness purposes?  :doge

(https://i.imgur.com/hgBNIal.png)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on April 04, 2023, 10:08:45 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on April 04, 2023, 02:18:36 AM
How many seats you gotta keep in the House of Commons before they make the majority fill out the opposition frontbench for fairness purposes?  :doge

(https://i.imgur.com/hgBNIal.png)

To be fair, Rishi Sunak has surprised me a bit. He has zero charisma and sounds very out of touch... but he is more competent than his 3 Tory predecessors, more than i had expected. The party he leads is still rotten and deserves to be out of power for at least a decade.

British electorate doesn't seem very impressed with him though.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 04, 2023, 01:33:25 PM
https://twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/1643195456883654659 (https://twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/1643195456883654659)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on April 04, 2023, 03:30:53 PM
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1643236681011671041
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on April 04, 2023, 04:19:03 PM
Quote from: Sman on April 04, 2023, 10:08:45 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on April 04, 2023, 02:18:36 AM
How many seats you gotta keep in the House of Commons before they make the majority fill out the opposition frontbench for fairness purposes?  :doge

(https://i.imgur.com/hgBNIal.png)

To be fair, Rishi Sunak has surprised me a bit. He has zero charisma and sounds very out of touch... but he is more competent than his 3 Tory predecessors, more than i had expected. The party he leads is still rotten and deserves to be out of power for at least a decade.

British electorate doesn't seem very impressed with him though.



This is the part the British people hate.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on April 05, 2023, 01:33:59 AM
It's not exactly a high bar to clear. Pick anyone on the street and they're likely to be more competent than these 3.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on April 05, 2023, 01:59:22 AM
Quote from: Raist on April 05, 2023, 01:33:59 AM
It's not exactly a high bar to clear. Pick anyone on the street and they're likely to be more competent than these 3.
You sound like a crypto-Nazi: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYymnxoQnf8&t=50s)
Quote from: William F. Buckley Jr.
I am obliged to confess I should sooner live in a society governed by the first two thousand names in the Boston telephone directory than in a society governed by the two thousand faculty members of Harvard University.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 05, 2023, 05:30:53 PM
https://twitter.com/Rahmon83/status/1643403670577459201 (https://twitter.com/Rahmon83/status/1643403670577459201)

Some people did something in the Al Aqsa Mosque
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 05, 2023, 07:22:59 PM
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1643736841059794944 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1643736841059794944)

oh no
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 07, 2023, 01:52:59 PM
https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1643973886311297028 (https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1643973886311297028)

holy fucking shit :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: HaughtyFrank on April 07, 2023, 08:26:22 PM
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1644356016589381632

The ruble life support seems to be running out
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on April 07, 2023, 11:29:43 PM
https://twitter.com/SAMRIReports/status/1644114481436393472
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 08, 2023, 03:44:28 AM
https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1644497097197228033 (https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1644497097197228033)

China-kun is going to encircle Taiwan-chan this weekend
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on April 08, 2023, 04:37:46 AM
Maybe they're just looking for eggs :yeshrug
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 08, 2023, 05:35:56 AM
When you pretend the board makes the decisions and keep up appearances
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtCEL4pXoAILNsa?format=jpg)

When you actually handle business with the boys
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1644335564957548547 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1644335564957548547)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on April 09, 2023, 04:32:31 AM
I see the "have our cake and eat it" position remains strong.

https://twitter.com/AlexTaylorNews/status/1642894915679006720
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on April 09, 2023, 04:40:48 AM
The fact that these idiots managed to literally own half the world at one point in time is quite baffling to me. Actually distinguished mentally-challenged is how I view most of the British public and all of the leadership class.

Like, what level of fucked up circumstances in the rest of the world lead to this rabble being so successful?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on April 09, 2023, 05:28:53 AM
The post-Brexit reactions from all the most prominent Brexiteers has been nothing but a perfect illustration of this, it's quite hilarious.

https://twitter.com/screaminbutcalm/status/1105577845642878976
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on April 09, 2023, 05:30:09 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/sF1y3Dn.jpeg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 09, 2023, 06:20:53 AM
Quote from: Potato on April 09, 2023, 04:40:48 AM
The fact that these idiots managed to literally own half the world at one point in time is quite baffling to me. Actually distinguished mentally-challenged is how I view most of the British public and all of the leadership class.

Like, what level of fucked up circumstances in the rest of the world lead to this rabble being so successful?
It was literally just the fact that unlike everybody else they were on an island and united under one banner quite early.
They didn't have to worry about being attacked or looted. In most wars England was ignored simply because it couldn't be reached.
The Nazis in WW2 nearly succeeded taking them out from the air but even they didn't have the naval resources to move enough troops overseas.

If you look at their encounters on land (against European nations with the same level of technology) they didn't do so well.
Usually when their 'divided' enemies started to work together it ended bad for Ingerland. In France, the United States etc. .
Their enemies united under a banner and kicked them out.

They used this tactic against their enemies too though, the Dutch Republic was surrounded by monarchs on all sides and they all wanted a piece of the pie. We had to hire mercenary armies to bolster our numbers depleting the treasury.
But even if we won all the sea battles and had the strongest navy it couldn't fight without the support from home.

England also got lucky with their monarchs. In many European nations there was usually one 'great' king or queen followed by a bunch of bastards, sadists and fuck-ups or sometimes a 10 year old because dad died when he fell from his horse.
They also didn't spend a ton of resources on expensive military campaigns like the French who marched on Russia under Napoleon for example.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 09, 2023, 09:55:13 AM
https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1645031505272422401 (https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1645031505272422401)

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1645039773814489088 (https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1645039773814489088)

Sacre bleu!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on April 09, 2023, 11:58:05 AM
Right after Macron comes back from his visit to China

 :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on April 09, 2023, 12:00:09 PM
I'm sure he'll keep up this kind of bluster next time he's with Sleepy Joe :girlaff
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on April 09, 2023, 01:51:15 PM
Quote from: Nintex on April 09, 2023, 09:55:13 AM
https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1645031505272422401 (https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1645031505272422401)

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1645039773814489088 (https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1645039773814489088)

Sacre bleu!

Macron is right but... he has that weird fantasy of France leading the way and using China and especially Russia (what will be left of it) as allies for that objective. It's like using a vicious Tiger and a wounded bear to tackle a clumsy elephant. You have to have a lot of things going your way for this to work.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 09, 2023, 02:48:24 PM
Macron like many in Europe doesn't like the direction the US is going. Self destructive insanity and warmongering. The current leadership of the US has forgotten that most of its power actually came from things people liked about the US. Like movies, music, comedy, the ideals of freedom, computer technology, games, Disney and McDonalds. In pretty much all areas the US is falling behind or overtaken by another country.

The biggest music is now Euro produced EDM. Many entertainment brands like Star Wars have been completely wrecked. TikTok reigns supreme over American social networks. Disney is getting thermonuclear bombed by Nintendo. All things considered JRPG's are probably the most popular genre right now. American entertainment is on the decline on all fronts, with the exception of things like Top Gun: Maverick and Joe Rogan. Things 'modern America' detests.

Even though the left is trying to hard to import the woke/trans/#blm/CRT culture to Europe it just doesn't resonate. The left mostly looks foolish for complaining about police shootings in countries where the police isn't even armed or protesting for abortion rights in countries that sell DIY abortions over the counter. And this is from the Dutch perspective, the country the most pro-US of all European nations next to Ingerland,  especially compared to France.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on April 09, 2023, 04:32:04 PM
Does Macron think being China's bottom bitch might hurt less than being the US's bottom bitch?

The EU was formed to give Europe more control over it's own destiny and to create a potential third superpower to create some balance and perspective for the other idiots.

Maybe Macron should concentrate on not being subservient to Germany in the EU and getting it's own house in order rather than selling out allies that liberated it less than a century ago.

What is it with the French and rolling over?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on April 10, 2023, 03:53:21 AM
They plied him with cheese and he couldn't resist their demands
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 12, 2023, 07:11:33 PM
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1646286231704141824 (https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1646286231704141824)

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1646289446520737798 (https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1646289446520737798)

:pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 13, 2023, 02:56:35 PM
https://twitter.com/CharlesMichel/status/1646240536490065923 (https://twitter.com/CharlesMichel/status/1646240536490065923)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtisrMBXoAMkwUm?format=jpg)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on April 13, 2023, 04:20:19 PM
Who would have thought those things would be important?

 :pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: tiesto on April 13, 2023, 09:18:45 PM
Quote from: Nintex on April 09, 2023, 02:48:24 PM
The biggest music is now Euro produced EDM. Many entertainment brands like Star Wars have been completely wrecked. All things considered JRPG's are probably the most popular genre right now.

I mean these would obviously be a dream of mine but I don't really think they're that true. EDM and RPGs are definitely more popular than they historically have ever been (btw, house and techno has its origin in midwest America of course) but probably not the biggest genres of their respective media (pop and hiphop are bigger than EDM, Fortnite/COD/God of War are still more popular than RPGs)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 14, 2023, 02:42:59 AM
I'm not entirely sure if the combined might of Pokemon, Genshin, Zelda etc. can beat the shooters but overall the fact that this is debatable shows how different things are these days. Especially considering how many American companies are backed or bought by Tencent or Embracer. I googled a bit and it seems like EDM is currently in third place but it also depends on what you count as EDM.

https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1646540588542578689 (https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1646540588542578689)

Germany sides with France too and if Macron convinced Rutte most of northern Europe will back him. I don't think he has though.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 15, 2023, 06:13:30 PM
This footage is fucking crazy. Former Indian MP in custody, shot dead by a gang of dudes while talking to reporters in policy custody

https://twitter.com/gharkekalesh/status/1647302247263670273 (https://twitter.com/gharkekalesh/status/1647302247263670273)

Big mess in Sudan too, Rapid Support Forces (RSF) have taken up arms against the Sudanese Armed Forces (SAF). The SAF has already bombed and leveled the headquarters of the RSF in the capital.
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1647223191671021568 (https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1647223191671021568)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: tiesto on April 15, 2023, 09:35:02 PM
Quote from: Nintex on April 14, 2023, 02:42:59 AM
I'm not entirely sure if the combined might of Pokemon, Genshin, Zelda etc. can beat the shooters but overall the fact that this is debatable shows how different things are these days. Especially considering how many American companies are backed or bought by Tencent or Embracer. I googled a bit and it seems like EDM is currently in third place but it also depends on what you count as EDM.

Anyways... thinking back to this a bit more. I think it's less "woke politics has infected American culture" and more that the American empire is in decline - the one-two punch of 9/11 and the housing crisis/recession was the start. Looking back, the 2010s seems to be one of the most culturally and stylistically devoid decade in post-WWII America. I can't really think of any new, distinct genres of music to really pop up from the country aside from Vaporwave and mumble/soundcloud rap. Hollywood seemed content to remake old movies or just go all-in on Marvel and Star Wars. Even in terms of games, I personally think Europe has been wiping the floor with America (though keep in mind, western games in general aren't my bag).
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on April 15, 2023, 10:10:15 PM
The American Empire is stronger than it has ever been, maybe (probably) stronger than any state has ever been.

Macron playing with China is smart, they still care about patronage and face and stuff.

 :american
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 16, 2023, 08:54:45 AM
https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1647569559824605184 (https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1647569559824605184)

https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1647540451874832395 (https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1647540451874832395)

https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1647569750275555329 (https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1647569750275555329)

That's one way to spend the weekend

A rogue military outfit called the Rapid Support Forces, this is some Metal Gear shit  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Uncle on April 16, 2023, 12:15:56 PM
Quote from: tiesto on April 15, 2023, 09:35:02 PM
Quote from: Nintex on April 14, 2023, 02:42:59 AM
I'm not entirely sure if the combined might of Pokemon, Genshin, Zelda etc. can beat the shooters but overall the fact that this is debatable shows how different things are these days. Especially considering how many American companies are backed or bought by Tencent or Embracer. I googled a bit and it seems like EDM is currently in third place but it also depends on what you count as EDM.

Anyways... thinking back to this a bit more. I think it's less "woke politics has infected American culture" and more that the American empire is in decline - the one-two punch of 9/11 and the housing crisis/recession was the start. Looking back, the 2010s seems to be one of the most culturally and stylistically devoid decade in post-WWII America. I can't really think of any new, distinct genres of music to really pop up from the country aside from Vaporwave and mumble/soundcloud rap. Hollywood seemed content to remake old movies or just go all-in on Marvel and Star Wars. Even in terms of games, I personally think Europe has been wiping the floor with America (though keep in mind, western games in general aren't my bag).

when it comes to music I feel like at a certain point you've done everything that sounds pleasant and it's just a matter of mixing known tempos, rhythms, harmonies and styles/instruments

dubstep was the attempt at "can we get away with actual modem sounds and robot farts" and that's as far as we can go into discord while remaining popular/listenable

kind of like food, how there are practically no new worthwhile recipes left to invent
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 16, 2023, 01:47:10 PM
Quote from: Uncle on April 16, 2023, 12:15:56 PM
Quote from: tiesto on April 15, 2023, 09:35:02 PM
Quote from: Nintex on April 14, 2023, 02:42:59 AM
I'm not entirely sure if the combined might of Pokemon, Genshin, Zelda etc. can beat the shooters but overall the fact that this is debatable shows how different things are these days. Especially considering how many American companies are backed or bought by Tencent or Embracer. I googled a bit and it seems like EDM is currently in third place but it also depends on what you count as EDM.

Anyways... thinking back to this a bit more. I think it's less "woke politics has infected American culture" and more that the American empire is in decline - the one-two punch of 9/11 and the housing crisis/recession was the start. Looking back, the 2010s seems to be one of the most culturally and stylistically devoid decade in post-WWII America. I can't really think of any new, distinct genres of music to really pop up from the country aside from Vaporwave and mumble/soundcloud rap. Hollywood seemed content to remake old movies or just go all-in on Marvel and Star Wars. Even in terms of games, I personally think Europe has been wiping the floor with America (though keep in mind, western games in general aren't my bag).

when it comes to music I feel like at a certain point you've done everything that sounds pleasant and it's just a matter of mixing known tempos, rhythms, harmonies and styles/instruments

dubstep was the attempt at "can we get away with actual modem sounds and robot farts" and that's as far as we can go into discord while remaining popular/listenable

kind of like food, how there are practically no new worthwhile recipes left to invent
The real creativity seems to be outside of the music industry itself. Like the Hans Zimmer crew and Yasunori Mitsuda creating their own make-shift instruments and sounds.
Especially Hans Zimmer has collected the most talented musicians out there.

sick moves
https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1647668438335385600 (https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1647668438335385600)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 17, 2023, 06:50:13 PM
https://twitter.com/FinancialTimes/status/1648080177325301766 (https://twitter.com/FinancialTimes/status/1648080177325301766)

That's the third EU country to ban Ukrainian grain imports.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 17, 2023, 07:32:25 PM
https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1648059225590087680 (https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1648059225590087680)

Do you think they regret putting the corrupt communist back in power yet. To everyone's surprise he took Xi's money or Putin's or why not both  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Propagandhim on April 18, 2023, 09:52:20 AM
Quote from: Nintex on April 16, 2023, 01:47:10 PM
Quote from: Uncle on April 16, 2023, 12:15:56 PM
Quote from: tiesto on April 15, 2023, 09:35:02 PM
Quote from: Nintex on April 14, 2023, 02:42:59 AM
I'm not entirely sure if the combined might of Pokemon, Genshin, Zelda etc. can beat the shooters but overall the fact that this is debatable shows how different things are these days. Especially considering how many American companies are backed or bought by Tencent or Embracer. I googled a bit and it seems like EDM is currently in third place but it also depends on what you count as EDM.

Anyways... thinking back to this a bit more. I think it's less "woke politics has infected American culture" and more that the American empire is in decline - the one-two punch of 9/11 and the housing crisis/recession was the start. Looking back, the 2010s seems to be one of the most culturally and stylistically devoid decade in post-WWII America. I can't really think of any new, distinct genres of music to really pop up from the country aside from Vaporwave and mumble/soundcloud rap. Hollywood seemed content to remake old movies or just go all-in on Marvel and Star Wars. Even in terms of games, I personally think Europe has been wiping the floor with America (though keep in mind, western games in general aren't my bag).

when it comes to music I feel like at a certain point you've done everything that sounds pleasant and it's just a matter of mixing known tempos, rhythms, harmonies and styles/instruments

dubstep was the attempt at "can we get away with actual modem sounds and robot farts" and that's as far as we can go into discord while remaining popular/listenable

kind of like food, how there are practically no new worthwhile recipes left to invent
The real creativity seems to be outside of the music industry itself. Like the Hans Zimmer crew and Yasunori Mitsuda creating their own make-shift instruments and sounds.
Especially Hans Zimmer has collected the most talented musicians out there.

sick moves
https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1647668438335385600 (https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1647668438335385600)


https://twitter.com/anarchynpeace/status/1647687813700153345


Fuckin Twitter, man.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on April 19, 2023, 02:16:50 AM
You make Tojo Prime Minister one time and everybody thinks all your Prime Ministers aren't civilians. :japancry

edit: The replies with the clip from the bomb scene from Batman '66. :ohyeah
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 20, 2023, 07:02:33 AM
https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1649001364297781248 (https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1649001364297781248)

Dumbs dumbs think people still work in these buildings
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 21, 2023, 07:58:07 PM
https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1649555969511235588 (https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1649555969511235588)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on April 23, 2023, 05:46:57 AM
https://twitter.com/ap/status/1650048051942227968

What kind of cocksucking headline is this? ::) :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 23, 2023, 07:44:17 AM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1650034236982976513 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1650034236982976513)

Looks like after we ran from Afghanistan we're running from Africa next.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on April 23, 2023, 08:01:03 AM
Let the Chinese have it. They will soon find it's harder to exploit these places than it looks and the locals will discover that maybe there is a worse thing than being colonised by evil white guys.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 23, 2023, 01:37:39 PM
Quote from: Potato on April 23, 2023, 08:01:03 AM
Let the Chinese have it. They will soon find it's harder to exploit these places than it looks and the locals will discover that maybe there is a worse thing than being colonised by evil white guys.
The most interesting part is that both the Sudanese army and Rapid Support Forces hit the pause button on their conflict to help the French evacuate.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: jorma on April 24, 2023, 02:00:17 AM
Quote from: Potato on April 23, 2023, 08:01:03 AM
Let the Chinese have it. They will soon find it's harder to exploit these places than it looks and the locals will discover that maybe there is a worse thing than being colonised by evil white guys.

but the chinese are evacuating as well?

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on April 24, 2023, 04:23:20 AM
Quote from: Nintex on April 23, 2023, 01:37:39 PM
Quote from: Potato on April 23, 2023, 08:01:03 AM
Let the Chinese have it. They will soon find it's harder to exploit these places than it looks and the locals will discover that maybe there is a worse thing than being colonised by evil white guys.
The most interesting part is that both the Sudanese army and Rapid Support Forces hit the pause button on their conflict to help the French evacuate.

It's what the French do...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on April 24, 2023, 12:30:53 PM
Quote from: Potato on April 24, 2023, 04:23:20 AM
Quote from: Nintex on April 23, 2023, 01:37:39 PM
Quote from: Potato on April 23, 2023, 08:01:03 AM
Let the Chinese have it. They will soon find it's harder to exploit these places than it looks and the locals will discover that maybe there is a worse thing than being colonised by evil white guys.
The most interesting part is that both the Sudanese army and Rapid Support Forces hit the pause button on their conflict to help the French evacuate.

It's what the French do...

They did a much better job than the Brits at Dunkirk.

And before you tell me "bu-bu-but I'm Australian", you aren't, you're just a Brit whose ancestors were convicted criminals :yeshrug.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on April 24, 2023, 02:45:00 PM
Quote from: Raist on April 24, 2023, 12:30:53 PM
Quote from: Potato on April 24, 2023, 04:23:20 AM
Quote from: Nintex on April 23, 2023, 01:37:39 PM
Quote from: Potato on April 23, 2023, 08:01:03 AM
Let the Chinese have it. They will soon find it's harder to exploit these places than it looks and the locals will discover that maybe there is a worse thing than being colonised by evil white guys.
The most interesting part is that both the Sudanese army and Rapid Support Forces hit the pause button on their conflict to help the French evacuate.

It's what the French do...

They did a much better job than the Brits at Dunkirk.

And before you tell me "bu-bu-but I'm Australian", you aren't, you're just a Brit whose ancestors were convicted criminals :yeshrug.
Lol. No. Imagine being so ignorant you think Australia is a monocultural country.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on April 24, 2023, 03:08:05 PM
(https://rnz-ressh.cloudinary.com/image/upload/s--PIo84P64--/ar_16:10,c_fill,f_auto,g_auto,q_auto,w_1050/v1675311055/4LE7J1T_five_dollar_note_ngb_jpg)

(https://img.atlasobscura.com/56mtHyb0tgv1GXrtCzLzWqvqKG_noRnc3jtdxQtPN88/rs:fill:12000:12000/q:81/sm:1/scp:1/ar:1/aHR0cHM6Ly9hdGxh/cy1kZXYuczMuYW1h/em9uYXdzLmNvbS91/cGxvYWRzL2Fzc2V0/cy85N2M1ZDVmZGM3/NjQyYWEwZDlfU2Ny/ZWVuIFNob3QgMjAx/NS0wOS0xMCBhdCAx/MS4yOS4xNyBBTS5w/bmc.png)

I rest my case  :hmph
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on April 24, 2023, 03:10:13 PM
Cool. Anyway, about those French pussies...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on April 24, 2023, 03:31:13 PM
Quote from: Potato on April 24, 2023, 03:10:13 PM
Cool. Anyway, about those French pussies...

Deliciously soft and wet  :drool

Not full of sand and deadly spiders like aussie ones.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 25, 2023, 01:05:01 PM
https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1650904335323394049 (https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1650904335323394049)

:idont
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on April 25, 2023, 01:30:37 PM
I gotta say, IRL Resident Evil wasn’t on my bingo card for this year.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on April 26, 2023, 03:00:34 AM
https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-weighs-value-for-money-of-returning-to-eu-science-after-brexit-hiatus/

Quote
The European Commission confirmed it would not require the U.K. to pay backdated participation fees for the two years it had missed of the current seven-year Horizon Europe funding initiative.

But the U.K. government wants a bigger discount. London argues the two-year hiatus has left British-based researchers and businesses in a weakened position compared with their peers across Europe.

(https://media.tenor.com/4l_IBJeHNZ4AAAAC/morgan-freeman-good-luck.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 26, 2023, 07:28:23 PM
Erdogan has suspended his campaign for health reasons.

Chinese media says heart attack, Turkey says stomach bug.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on April 26, 2023, 07:35:46 PM
Quote from: Nintex on April 26, 2023, 07:28:23 PM
Erdogan has suspended his campaign for health reasons.

Chinese media says heart attack, Turkey says stomach bug.

why not both
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on April 26, 2023, 07:43:01 PM
What's exactly the point of a campaign where you aren't going to allow anyone else to win? We don't talk enough about just how fucking weird authoritarians always are. (What's weird about Xi is how normal he seems to be for one.)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 26, 2023, 07:53:53 PM
Polls have both Erdogan and his rival tied at 45%
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on April 26, 2023, 07:55:25 PM
Quote from: Nintex on April 26, 2023, 07:53:53 PM
Polls have both Erdogan and his rival tied at 45%
Oh, I didn't know that media polls were binding in Turkey. Erdogan probably wished he hadn't overlooked changing that law.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on April 27, 2023, 12:09:15 AM
https://twitter.com/jeffmason1/status/1651418886447693824

 :whoo
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 27, 2023, 04:58:26 PM
Erdogan has recovered and called his best friend. They both look very healthy.

https://twitter.com/Spriter99880/status/1651589862435201024 (https://twitter.com/Spriter99880/status/1651589862435201024)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
yes this is real
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on April 28, 2023, 01:54:23 AM
https://twitter.com/JKaarsbo/status/1651650991341576200


:pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 29, 2023, 02:49:43 PM
https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1652303474468483072 (https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1652303474468483072)

 :idont

"what cruise missile doing"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on April 29, 2023, 08:05:32 PM
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1652367108745965578 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1652367108745965578)

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 03, 2023, 06:53:36 AM
School shooting in Serbia.

14 year old shooter at least 8 dead :fbm
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on May 03, 2023, 03:42:18 PM
LOCK HIM UP

https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1653835376505520128
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on May 03, 2023, 03:53:06 PM
Fake news fabricated by liberal Brazilian truckers. Next.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 03, 2023, 06:04:46 PM
Zelensky, the most wanted man in the world just arrived in the Netherlands for a surprise visit.

My man should find a nuclear bunker on a remote island instead.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on May 03, 2023, 06:15:06 PM
Nintex getting nuked :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on May 05, 2023, 07:04:17 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRofbJxJgYU



Stop talking, just do it.




 :jawalrus





Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on May 05, 2023, 07:40:42 AM
Quote from: Nintex on May 03, 2023, 06:04:46 PM
Zelensky, the most wanted man in the world just arrived in the Netherlands for a surprise visit.

My man should find a nuclear bunker on a remote island instead.

Finland has the best bunkers. 6 months of provisions guaranteed too. He left the country too soon.

But really, Russia is all bark, no bite.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 05, 2023, 12:04:02 PM
Quote from: Sman on May 05, 2023, 07:40:42 AM
Quote from: Nintex on May 03, 2023, 06:04:46 PM
Zelensky, the most wanted man in the world just arrived in the Netherlands for a surprise visit.

My man should find a nuclear bunker on a remote island instead.

Finland has the best bunkers. 6 months of provisions guaranteed too. He left the country too soon.

But really, Russia is all bark, no bite.
There's plenty of examples of the FSB/GRU killing Russian nationals abroad with poisoning and broken windows.
The plots are often almost laughable but still dangerous. Like that time they poisoned a small town in the UK.

Prigozhins statement has nothing new but the presentation is quite shocking. Standing near a pile of corpses calling out Shoigu and Gerasimov.
I wonder if they'll let him leave Bakhmut or block his retreat. It seems that it's starting to dawn on Yevgeny that he's just the 'fall guy' for a bunch of war crimes and a botched operation to take the city.
The so called 'General Armageddon' that was recently fired from running the special military operation has joined Wagner as deputy commander though, so either he's there to control Wagner on behalf of the military or also in open revolt against the Russian MOD.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on May 05, 2023, 11:54:31 PM
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1654229533497671680
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 06, 2023, 06:33:10 AM
https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1654792157385961474 (https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1654792157385961474)

Looks like Kadyrov will replace Wagner in Bakhmut. Just before the supposed 'counter attack'.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 06, 2023, 01:17:31 PM
https://twitter.com/chrisgolds/status/1654826042329055232 (https://twitter.com/chrisgolds/status/1654826042329055232)

Seems like she's overqualified tbh  :whew
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 06, 2023, 05:27:36 PM
https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1654954845277679616 (https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1654954845277679616)

"Shoigu where is the fucking ammunition"  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on May 06, 2023, 06:23:02 PM
Quote from: Nintex on May 06, 2023, 01:17:31 PM
https://twitter.com/chrisgolds/status/1654826042329055232 (https://twitter.com/chrisgolds/status/1654826042329055232)

Seems like she's overqualified tbh  :whew
Isn't a British PM's job to fall on their sword?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on May 07, 2023, 12:17:24 AM
She's not PM though?

She did a fantastic job being a walking ad tho.

https://twitter.com/FrankChickens_/status/1654818411011092482
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on May 07, 2023, 12:45:24 AM
Quote from: Raist on May 07, 2023, 12:17:24 AM
She's not PM though?

 :whoo

Quote
Surely a future PM?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on May 07, 2023, 12:55:29 AM
Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_Mordaunt
Mordaunt has repeatedly advocated that the British National Health Service should fund the availability of homeopathy.[93][94] In 2010, she signed a Parliamentary Early Day Motion that claimed there was "overwhelming anecdotal evidence that homeopathy is effective" and called for the government to "maintain a policy of allowing health commissions to refer to homeopathic doctors and approved homeopaths".[93][95]
:nope

Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_Mordaunt
When receiving the Speech of the Year award at The Spectator magazine's Parliamentarian of the Year Awards in November 2014, Mordaunt said that she had delivered a speech in the House of Commons just before the Easter recess in 2013 on poultry welfare so as to use the word "cock", as a forfeit for a misdemeanour during Naval Reserve training.[37][38] She used the word "cock" six times and "lay" or "laid" five times. Following her comments, she was accused by Labour MP Kate Hoey of trivialising parliament.[39]
:ohyeah
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 07, 2023, 05:07:03 AM
Time for a leadership contest methinks :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 07, 2023, 05:32:37 PM
Early voting has started for the Turkish elections in the Netherlands

https://twitter.com/mustafaadeniz/status/1655299036750987265 (https://twitter.com/mustafaadeniz/status/1655299036750987265)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 09, 2023, 08:25:31 AM
No fly-over and just 1 tank  :girlaff

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1655845431006429186 (https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1655845431006429186)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on May 09, 2023, 10:52:06 AM
Quote from: Nintex on May 09, 2023, 08:25:31 AM
No fly-over and just 1 tank  :girlaff

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1655845431006429186 (https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1655845431006429186)

Budget cut day.

Tanks missing? I can understand. A large chunk of them are in Ukraine, either in use or destroyed.

But the planes too? They've been largely MIA in this war, much like the navy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 09, 2023, 01:00:58 PM
oh boy here we go again

https://twitter.com/Bundeskanzler/status/1655904988151808001 (https://twitter.com/Bundeskanzler/status/1655904988151808001)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on May 09, 2023, 06:29:36 PM
https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1656009079830061075
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 09, 2023, 07:43:24 PM
Wagner says they will retreat from Bakhmut May 10th
Russian army starts taking over positions from Wagner
Kadyrov vows to replace Wagner as the lead assault unit in Bakhmut
Russian MOD promises ammo and shells to Wagner
Kadyrov sets up shop behind Bakhmut, tells Yevgeny to hand over his troops to him
Yevgeny refuses, Wagner stays in Bakhmut waiting for promised ammo
Russian MOD doesn't deliver
Ukraine counter attacks, Russian 72nd brigade flees
Wagner loses 500 troops in the chaotic retreat
Yevgeny big mad at Putin

https://twitter.com/NatalkaKyiv/status/1655916277565730816 (https://twitter.com/NatalkaKyiv/status/1655916277565730816)

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1656064355539058688 (https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1656064355539058688)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on May 09, 2023, 09:17:23 PM
Quote from: Nintex on May 09, 2023, 01:00:58 PM
oh boy here we go again

https://twitter.com/Bundeskanzler/status/1655904988151808001 (https://twitter.com/Bundeskanzler/status/1655904988151808001)
BREAKING TONIGHT ON OAN: Chancellor of Germany announces "Lebensraum" program for American state of Georgia: "you belong with us." BIDEN DOESN'T CONDEMN! :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 10, 2023, 06:04:33 PM
https://twitter.com/Spriter99880/status/1656390779470749696 (https://twitter.com/Spriter99880/status/1656390779470749696)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on May 11, 2023, 02:12:04 AM
https://twitter.com/majorgauravarya/status/1656491377830789122


based
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: jorma on May 11, 2023, 05:58:29 AM
Quote from: who is ted danson? on May 11, 2023, 02:12:04 AM
https://twitter.com/majorgauravarya/status/1656491377830789122


based

hmm, how come everyone sharing the hashtag has an indian flag in their bio?  :thinking
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2023, 10:10:41 PM
https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1656331431679803395

 :fincry :fincry :fincry :fincry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 12, 2023, 06:42:02 PM
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1657126013002809346 (https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1657126013002809346)

https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1657024300660957185 (https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1657024300660957185)

Maybe that 1 T-34 will turn the tide :salute
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 13, 2023, 08:23:10 AM
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1657345778421997576 (https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1657345778421997576)

https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1657340615850446849 (https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1657340615850446849)

Russian airplanes shot down over Russia  :lol


Quote
"To cut off rumors. Two Mi-8s, one Su-35 and one Su-34 were shot down in Bryansk region. We will avenge everyone, we will kill everyone"

At least the new Russian President is as memeable as the last one.
https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1657043242347577346 (https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1657043242347577346)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 13, 2023, 08:37:03 AM
https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1657363950852243456 (https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1657363950852243456)

what air defense doing
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on May 14, 2023, 01:02:16 PM
only time i've seen anything from the russian air force since the start of the war, and its them getting more of their shit shot down  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 14, 2023, 01:27:15 PM
https://twitter.com/amlivemon/status/1657797685724819461 (https://twitter.com/amlivemon/status/1657797685724819461)

 :idont
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on May 14, 2023, 01:40:32 PM
Quote from: Nintex on May 14, 2023, 01:27:15 PM
https://twitter.com/amlivemon/status/1657797685724819461 (https://twitter.com/amlivemon/status/1657797685724819461)

 :idont

Another red mirage (or red crescent mirage). I hope. If not there's still the second round.

 :walkaway

Slovakian government collapsed last week.

Lukashenko is now in a hospital bed (if he's gone, Russia's annexation of Belarus more likely)

Not looking good.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 14, 2023, 02:01:58 PM
There was the expectation that if Ukraine went tits up for the Russkies (and it did) that they would try and distract attention by taking Belarus instead to have an easy victory and open a second front.
I read that doctors from Moscow were on their way, probably to make sure he doesn't wake up.

Lukashenko famously said that Putin would outlive them all and attend all their funerals.  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Potato on May 14, 2023, 05:15:04 PM
Quote from: Nintex on May 14, 2023, 01:27:15 PM
https://twitter.com/amlivemon/status/1657797685724819461 (https://twitter.com/amlivemon/status/1657797685724819461)

 :idont

Update: Erdogan maintains his lead 52.5% to 47.5% with 123% of the vote counted. Erdogan confident of retaining power.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 14, 2023, 06:41:48 PM
Looks like they're headed for a run off.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 14, 2023, 07:38:53 PM
https://twitter.com/Spriter99880/status/1657887259276746752 (https://twitter.com/Spriter99880/status/1657887259276746752)

Erdogan declares victory
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: who is ted danson? on May 15, 2023, 02:53:05 AM
https://twitter.com/eigenrobot/status/1657982273541505027
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 15, 2023, 06:05:14 AM
https://twitter.com/Haberler/status/1657703592092893190 (https://twitter.com/Haberler/status/1657703592092893190)

The voters were surprised to see President Erdogan behind him.

 :lol

69% of Turks living in the Netherlands voted for Erdogan.
Doesn't surprise me, we literally have an offshoot of his party in our parliament.  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 15, 2023, 02:58:23 PM
He doesn't look or sound very healthy but he's back

https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1658149354799022080 (https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1658149354799022080)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on May 15, 2023, 03:55:17 PM
This is AI-genrated and you can't convince me otherwise  :hmph

https://twitter.com/HannaLiubakova/status/1658135670123114499
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on May 16, 2023, 03:42:25 AM
What UKR air defense doing.

Kicking ass and taking names. The Kinzhals are Russia's almighty hypersonic missiles btw :lol

https://twitter.com/NikaMelkozerova/status/1658346749138817026

spoiler (click to show/hide)
"SuperCum"  :dsp
[close]
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 16, 2023, 10:21:45 AM
I wonder when Putins mid-bosses start meeting their end.

https://twitter.com/Spriter99880/status/1658232731640233986 (https://twitter.com/Spriter99880/status/1658232731640233986)

https://twitter.com/NatalkaKyiv/status/1657934437974175744 (https://twitter.com/NatalkaKyiv/status/1657934437974175744)

https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1658463289490251785 (https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1658463289490251785)

Quote
Prigozhin: Are you alive?
- Yes
Prigozhin: Great! Otherwise there
will be no one to make a movie!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on May 19, 2023, 04:04:05 PM
"Vaporizing" is not an exaggeration, holy fuck.

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1659562390961242114
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 19, 2023, 07:13:02 PM
The more I see the Russian strategy to fight this war the more I understand why the Germans thought they had the Eastern Front in the bag in WW2 and the Soviet losses were so high.

Bakhmut has fallen :fbm

https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1659672515067752448 (https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1659672515067752448)

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1659664820889698305 (https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1659664820889698305)

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1659670127934095367 (https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1659670127934095367)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 20, 2023, 09:15:37 AM
Prigozhin declares victory, no word yet from Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/status/1659907721758490625 (https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/status/1659907721758490625)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 21, 2023, 01:28:36 PM
https://twitter.com/MapsUkraine/status/1660257667980357632 (https://twitter.com/MapsUkraine/status/1660257667980357632)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwqHdfaXsAMzzrz?format=jpg)

https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1660326409519104002 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1660326409519104002)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 22, 2023, 09:29:22 AM
How the turn tables
https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1660602217597108226 (https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1660602217597108226)

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1660636932727095297 (https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1660636932727095297)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 22, 2023, 03:01:27 PM
https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1660718251142160390 (https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1660718251142160390)

https://twitter.com/Azovsouth/status/1660722009439870995 (https://twitter.com/Azovsouth/status/1660722009439870995)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 23, 2023, 05:52:19 PM
https://twitter.com/maria_avdv/status/1661094140950487046 (https://twitter.com/maria_avdv/status/1661094140950487046)

The Russians have still not been able to drive out the rebels  :lol

https://twitter.com/k_sonin/status/1661052565516357633 (https://twitter.com/k_sonin/status/1661052565516357633)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on May 24, 2023, 12:10:53 AM
Quote from: Nintex on May 23, 2023, 05:52:19 PM
twitter.com/k_sonin/status/1661052565516357633
https://twitter.com/k_sonin/status/1661082526432251907

Quote
Political economist, John Dewey Distinguished Service Professor,
@HarrisPolicy
 at
@UChicago
.
:era
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on May 24, 2023, 12:14:29 AM
Better:
https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1661107636698226715
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on May 24, 2023, 12:23:16 AM
https://twitter.com/AnunaDe/status/1659486023615643649

 :science
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on May 24, 2023, 10:28:30 AM
Prigozhin has a :pika moment

https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1661301463442702336
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on May 24, 2023, 10:39:23 AM
https://twitter.com/FluteMagician/status/1661162964261404673

 :putin
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 24, 2023, 02:29:20 PM
They've returned safely from their cross-border assault.  :lol

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1661410527778570244 (https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1661410527778570244)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 25, 2023, 06:19:19 PM
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1661819867941445649 (https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1661819867941445649)

 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 27, 2023, 11:43:32 AM
https://twitter.com/Trollstoy88/status/1662366904919502849 (https://twitter.com/Trollstoy88/status/1662366904919502849)

Who is calling?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 28, 2023, 07:48:37 AM
Guess Iran needs their drones back

https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1662775777400696832 (https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1662775777400696832)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on May 29, 2023, 01:01:45 PM
oh shit, Serbs fucked up some NATO peacekeepers  :whew

https://twitter.com/BalkanInd/status/1663221331985326081 (https://twitter.com/BalkanInd/status/1663221331985326081)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on June 23, 2023, 04:44:54 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/23/wagner-chief-accuses-russias-military-of-attack-and-says-evil-leadership-must-be-stopped

popcorn.gif x100
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 23, 2023, 09:09:38 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/dxVQfNv.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 24, 2023, 02:41:53 AM
Wagner is actually winning, Southern Military District HQ is captured with little resistance, the Russian army is disorganized.

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1672486494999642112 (https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1672486494999642112)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 24, 2023, 12:36:56 PM
I don't know if Wagner truly has 25k troops but frankly they could only have 10k and do damage. Too many Russian troops are deployed in Ukraine and I'd imagine some don't even know this is going on yet. Seems like Wagner has the upper hand but at the end of the day if Prigozhin is killed...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on June 24, 2023, 09:25:36 PM
China and North Korean should all invade and pick up some new land
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 26, 2023, 03:06:42 PM
NEW: Putin announcement to 'determine fate of Russia'

Putin to make series of announcements in Moscow tonight. The time is coming up to 10pm in Moscow. 

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said the announcements 'without exaggeration, will determine the fate of Russia' 
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on June 26, 2023, 05:16:35 PM
Maybe he'll rename the country
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 28, 2023, 03:23:05 PM
It was all a big nothing burger but a day later

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1673944333374963713 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1673944333374963713)

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1674134663579815959 (https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1674134663579815959)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 29, 2023, 03:07:30 AM
https://twitter.com/witte_sergei/status/1674249082112720896 (https://twitter.com/witte_sergei/status/1674249082112720896)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on June 29, 2023, 03:23:47 PM
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1674445364840235008
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on June 29, 2023, 04:18:29 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fzt3zYhXoAIRtKX?format=jpg)

Let's put the kettle on
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 07, 2023, 02:32:36 PM
https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1677381926460755970 (https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1677381926460755970)

:rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on July 24, 2023, 04:06:01 PM
Im hearing rumors that the right was DESTROYED in Spain. They had a 2020 style red wave expectation but I assume Joe rigged their election too
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on July 24, 2023, 04:39:54 PM
Quote from: james on July 24, 2023, 04:06:01 PM
Im hearing rumors that the right was DESTROYED in Spain. They had a 2020 style red wave expectation but I assume Joe rigged their election too

The Far Right was supposed to be a kingmaker, helping the Conservatives clinch a majority (in a coalition). A late surge put a stop to that, particularly from Catalonia. Turns out non-Castillian Spaniards are not too keen to see a return of the Far Right anywhere near power.

 :whew

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on July 25, 2023, 12:23:32 PM
https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1683540458457186327

 :patel
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on July 25, 2023, 02:06:29 PM
Maybe he was throwing pebbles on that heavily reinforced truck right before. Many such cases :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on July 25, 2023, 05:59:27 PM
Are those the Golan Heights? :trumps
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on August 20, 2023, 04:39:08 PM
Quote from: james on June 24, 2023, 09:25:36 PM
China and North Korean should all invade and pick up some new land
https://twitter.com/FreddieGibbs/status/1581741843980570624

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on August 20, 2023, 05:29:06 PM
Our PM promised to give all our F16s (42 in different states of disrepair) to Zelensky

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3-Xto1W8AAtAmC?format=jpg)

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on August 23, 2023, 06:32:26 PM
Putin's butler fell off a window from 40,000 feet.

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Courtesy of Russian air defense
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66599733
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 01, 2023, 04:10:52 PM
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1697677090886127932 (https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1697677090886127932)

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Vitaly,

I know your heart must be acheing because you could not succeed in your mission to land the LUNA-25 on the moon.
Know that I personally and all your countrymen have faith that you will realize your dream and become a proud Hero of the Russian Federation.

Please, enjoy these Mushrooms. May we one day grow them on the surface on the moon.

P.

:putin

P.S. your corpse will make excellent fertilizer you owe me 10 million roubles
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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on September 08, 2023, 09:51:14 PM
Elon Musk Refused to Enable Ukraine Drone Attack on Russian Fleet
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/08/world/europe/elon-musk-ukraine-starlink-drones.html
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on September 10, 2023, 07:08:37 AM
https://twitter.com/GraduatedBen/status/1700536610490659302
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on September 10, 2023, 12:17:39 PM
war makes strange bedfellows
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 10, 2023, 01:43:40 PM
Especially strange considering Armenia is now allied with Russia and the US and Azerbaijan with Turkey and the EU (and also with Russia).  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 11, 2023, 06:21:32 PM
https://twitter.com/MaxAbrahms/status/1698104856932704369 (https://twitter.com/MaxAbrahms/status/1698104856932704369)

This can't be right, the Washington Post told me President DuoLingo was a national hero :pika
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on September 13, 2023, 04:22:14 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vqq7fEOMDPc


mexico had their disclosure hearing and revealed actual bodies dated 1000 years


the reveal is at 3:32


bodies were found in a mine in peru. the bodies were preserved in a chemical compound that does not occur naturally

genetic material is 30% different. not part of our evolutionary lineage



 :maduro

update: it was faked  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 13, 2023, 04:03:44 PM
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1701982327516147976 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1701982327516147976)

 :idont

How the fuck, this is the guy running the entire fucking war end even he is at peak apathy.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on September 26, 2023, 12:50:57 AM
https://twitter.com/hayasaka_aryan/status/1706340786730934716
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on September 29, 2023, 05:33:54 PM
https://twitter.com/NationalIndNews/status/1707839603275608317 (https://twitter.com/NationalIndNews/status/1707839603275608317)

https://twitter.com/SecBlinken/status/1707854068314431870 (https://twitter.com/SecBlinken/status/1707854068314431870)


here we go again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_nJeAnj_f4
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 08, 2023, 10:34:18 PM
Great thread by Dan Carlin on the Israel situation.

https://twitter.com/HardcoreHistory/status/1711181521460363514

Fuck Hamas overwhelmingly utterly and completely.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on October 08, 2023, 10:49:25 PM
that's dumb

palestine has hamas because that is all israel allows them to have.

remember how movements like the black panthers and mlk were handled here in the U.S. in their time? did the U.S. allow for community policing and school lunch programs? was peaceful protesting allowed?

the panthers were systematically taken apart with men like fred hampton being assassinated. mlk was also assassinated and was the most hated man in the country in his time.

be serious, himu
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 08, 2023, 11:01:08 PM
Doesn't change that they're killing innocents while screaming Allahu Ackbar. They kill innocent people in the name of our religion. If justice is swift, Hamas will die at the hands of Israel and on the day of resurrection their body parts be eaten by devils, and regrow, only for their body to be eaten again, and again, and again as they sit comfortable in the chewed up remains of their own squelched stench and stool. Ameen.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on October 08, 2023, 11:35:20 PM
https://twitter.com/davidrkadler/status/1711103806002377167

"Hamas was not there 40 years ago but before than PLO was described as terrorist. Any Palestinian who struggles for his rights, or for freedom is described as terrorist"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 08, 2023, 11:48:21 PM
Being a victim doesn't justify bad behavior even if it's understandable.

That CNN video is propaganda.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on October 09, 2023, 12:34:17 AM
you think cnn is in the business of running propaganda for the palestinians?  :doge


hamas took hostages and will exchange them for the prisoners israel has. much of whom have never been charged with anything and are being held indefinitely.

buying into israel slanted propaganda and then dismissing anything that contradicts it as propaganda is a bit silly.


it's always easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled. you know this.

here is proof of how easy it is to be fooled: https://twitter.com/akh1e/status/1710900231213101516
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2023, 11:02:33 AM
Also worth nothing Hamas is not all or even most Palestinians. People are quick to designate Israeli civilians and innocents, but perfectly fine with saying Palestine in general should be blown to bits now in response. You either believe in civilians or you don't.

My views on this may be changing btw. A couple days ago my position was that this was a death march. I get going out blazing instead of living on your knees, but dooming your women and children to death and having zero plans to evacuate them struck me as the most selfish of suicidal gestures. Now, with reports that Hamas is ready for armed conflict and suggestions this could be Ukraine-like situation (well armed an supported defending force, capable of winning battles and force stalemates)? Maybe this is how they win some type of political change. Or maybe not. Clearly both sides will be well armed.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 09, 2023, 01:04:34 PM
Right. I support Palestine, not Hamas.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on October 09, 2023, 04:06:18 PM
What happened to the thread where filler was asking for advice on how to build a powered hang glider
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 09, 2023, 06:04:48 PM
A slaughter and mass rape at the "Music for Peace" EDM festival organized on the Israeli/Gaza border at the hands of Hamas terrorists flying in on hang gliders is the most current time thing that could've possibly happened.
It only lacks David Guetta being the DJ and it being live streamed on Twitch.

I don't think the league of evil quite realized that had happened until much later. It signed their death warrant though.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if the US is already mapping out targets for Operation Zoomer and some hotels in Qatar will experience 'gas leaks' over the coming days.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: BIONIC on October 10, 2023, 01:49:53 AM
Quote from: james on October 09, 2023, 04:06:18 PM
What happened to the thread where filler was asking for advice on how to build a powered hang glider

I have information that will lead to the arrest of Fillery Clinton.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on October 10, 2023, 03:38:15 PM
This seems perfectly fine.

https://twitter.com/HannaLiubakova/status/1711815193028686207
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 13, 2023, 12:45:30 AM
Seeing tons of people ask to glass Gaza. It's possible to be pro-Palestine and not pro-Hamas. Meanwhile the Jews demand absolute fealty to their narrative. Don't say anything publicly though or they'll use it against you and weaponize their Jewish power through shame and guilt trips simply for supporting the people of Palestine. Oh wait,"the country of Palestine never existed!" and other  Jewish propaganda.

Love my Jewish friends but gat fucking damn the past week. Even worse, are the Christians who hate both Muslims and Jews but somehow have to insert themselves and categorize everyone they don't like as barbaric.

The last few days conclusively prove what I said about humanity: we are dog shit and we only ever be dog shit cavemen with modern toys. Astaghfirullah.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 13, 2023, 01:29:41 AM
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyU7FDiNM8X/?igshid=MmU2YjMzNjRlOQ==

Mashaa Allah we have this good Jewish brother
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 13, 2023, 02:55:10 AM
https://www.threads.net/@aljazeeraenglish/post/CyVFNPiM325/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

https://twitter.com/TorahJudaism/status/1712545333329502367

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: james on October 13, 2023, 09:58:11 AM
Happy day of jihad to those who celebrate. Himu, you planning anything explosive today?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 13, 2023, 11:41:20 AM
Yeah, I am planting a baby bomb inside of your girlfriend.

She dm'd me and said,"finally, a man that knows how to talk to women. I'm so glad I don't have to marry that pedophile." Saving one woman at a time.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 13, 2023, 01:44:27 PM
https://twitter.com/axios/status/1712789477771325708 (https://twitter.com/axios/status/1712789477771325708)

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1712809482521079991 (https://twitter.com/axios/status/1712809482521079991)

George chuckled: "He has the chaos emeralds now"
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 13, 2023, 05:33:07 PM
Things getting really scary and tense. Kind of afraid to go to the mosque but going to champion through.

Saw something about rednecks threatening Muslims. Hopefully it's fake.

Also saw Israel committing war crimes. Pray for Palestine.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 13, 2023, 05:43:50 PM
https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1712924941027258399

https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1712847327466013019

:dead
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on October 13, 2023, 08:26:04 PM
https://twitter.com/Aldanmarki/status/1712876045479637042

"40 dead babies" turned out to be another lie. from the beginning it reminded me of the iraqi's killing babies lie leading into the gulf war

https://twitter.com/sarasidnerCNN/status/1712415116363169884


 :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on October 13, 2023, 09:13:36 PM
"hamas killed innocent civilians!"

the civilians:

https://twitter.com/m7mdkurd/status/1712792486240760206
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 14, 2023, 12:52:37 AM
Fuck the Israeli pigs up, Palestine.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 14, 2023, 02:21:43 AM
Look at how much power the Jews have, Filler.

https://apnews.com/article/france-israel-palestinians-war-protests-banned-5626bafec480b32226dcb97d0c92a553

Nothing on how Muslims are coping.

https://www.vox.com/23915948/jewish-american-israel-gaza-war-attacks-opposing-beliefs-progressive-movement

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on October 14, 2023, 04:38:49 AM
Quote from: Himu on October 14, 2023, 02:21:43 AM
Look at how much power the Jews have, Filler.

https://apnews.com/article/france-israel-palestinians-war-protests-banned-5626bafec480b32226dcb97d0c92a553

Nothing on how Muslims are coping.

https://www.vox.com/23915948/jewish-american-israel-gaza-war-attacks-opposing-beliefs-progressive-movement

"Himu, you're one religious conversion away from supporting us"

(https://abload.de/img/bibi12ei8.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 14, 2023, 11:46:11 AM
No thanks. Too white for me. Challah is delicious, though.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on October 15, 2023, 05:52:59 PM
Looks like Poland has a real chance to rid itself of its PiS-party rule (antidemocratic, authoritarian, populist, corrupt, nationalist) and return to the European fold.
Which would also fuck Putin-lover Orban.
Rooting for Donald Tusk.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on October 15, 2023, 09:04:52 PM
https://twitter.com/justincharles/status/1713595112565977297


 :isthis
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 16, 2023, 02:37:22 AM
https://apnews.com/article/muslim-boy-killed-chicago-landlord-will-county-5135dea218326d6e639a996564d9369e

If I have to see another article about how "Jews are feeling"...
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on October 16, 2023, 02:55:39 AM
I don't think most jews living anywhere in the world know how coddled they've been. the way the media caters to them. it's probably shocking to most any jewish person when everyone isn't singing their praises and thanking israel for war crimes.

how could they know and why would they even think to ask? it's like white america thinking black america were just exaggerating about police brutality for all these years, or making excuses when there is video evidence.

"how can the police be bad when they never give us problems?"

"how can we be the bad guys when our side says hamas are the terrorists?"

meanwhile jewish people can't even question israel without it potentially costing them financially. maybe just maybe hamas isn't the problem. hamas is the response to the problem.

imagine how infuriating it would be if a country were allowed to commit war crimes against you for decades. commit ethnic cleansing openly and also be painted as the victim.

jewish people around the world have a vested interest in not seeing the reality of the situation. it benefits them all too much to see themselves in the right, or at the very least as somehow not at fault.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on October 16, 2023, 03:00:10 AM
Quote from: Himu on October 16, 2023, 02:37:22 AM
https://apnews.com/article/muslim-boy-killed-chicago-landlord-will-county-5135dea218326d6e639a996564d9369e

If I have to see another article about how "Jews are feeling"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOFRNGlEB6k
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 16, 2023, 03:24:00 AM
Quote from: team filler on October 15, 2023, 09:04:52 PM
https://twitter.com/justincharles/status/1713595112565977297


 :isthis

Why are Jews allowed to use the Holocaust for bad behavior and endless victimization but my people gotta get over slavery and Jim crow and Tuskegee and red lining and all this shit? I'm not saying the Holocaust wasn't bad but this reminds me of 8th grade when we read Anne Frank. We studied WWII in 6th grade and learned about the Holocaust but now we were doing it AGAIN and focusing on the suffering of the Jews....AGAIN. I asked the teachers why when we hadn't had one single black history lesson outside of MLK. She got mad.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on October 16, 2023, 03:31:44 AM
Quote from: Himu on October 16, 2023, 03:24:00 AM
Quote from: team filler on October 15, 2023, 09:04:52 PM
https://twitter.com/justincharles/status/1713595112565977297


 :isthis

Why are Jews allowed to use the Holocaust for bad behavior and endless victimization but my people gotta get over slavery and Jim crow and Tuskegee and red lining and all this shit? I'm not saying the Holocaust wasn't bad but this reminds me of 8th grade when we read Anne Frank. We studied WWII in 6th grade and learned about the Holocaust but now we were doing it AGAIN and focusing on the suffering of the Jews....AGAIN. I asked the teachers why when we hadn't had one single black history lesson outside of MLK. She got mad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nppb01xhfe0
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 16, 2023, 03:40:45 AM
People say that the closer away we get from the 20th century the more people will forget the Holocaust. This happened almost one hundred years ago. Why should we be shamed for saying the truth? "My grandfather was killed in the Holocaust!" Yeah, and my grandfather, the first black policeman of town in Texas was almost beaten to death by the police force because he arrested a white man. My family - like ten kids - had to flee to California and you don't see me bitching about it. I don't think Jews realize the Holocaust will eventually run out of sympathy points for most people.

I need to watch The Limo episode of Seinfeld to remind myself I actually like Jews.

https://youtu.be/f-6UwDP23s4?si=lDKYr3Sa53dfn80H
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2023, 10:32:39 AM
You can't slowly exterminate a group of people and NOT anticipate them to fight back by some means, whether conventional or otherwise. Do I condone terrorism and killing kids? No. But it has to be understood that the subjugation of Palestinians has led to and will continue to lead to violence. So I'm not shocked by the language Israel is using concerning collective punishment, or the inhumane bombings and demands for evacuation. They want to dehumanize Palestinians as monsters or animals so that the world feels better about extermination. That plan has clearly backfired though and thankfully even the US State Department and White House are beginning to push back.

It's also worth noting that most people in Israel do not support their government's actions, and they want Bibi outta there. Just like it's worth noting that most Palestinians do not support Hamas.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 16, 2023, 01:53:19 PM
And like clockwork another fucking Jewish victim piece on the NYT.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2023, 10:32:39 AM
It's also worth noting that most people in Israel do not support their government's actions, and they want Bibi outta there. Just like it's worth noting that most Palestinians do not support Hamas.

Provide evidence. Majority of Palestinians support and elected Hamas but that's because they've been pushed to. Provide source on Israelis. They re-elecfed Bibi so it's plain they want this.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2023, 03:23:54 PM
Quote from: Himu on October 16, 2023, 01:53:19 PM
And like clockwork another fucking Jewish victim piece on the NYT.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2023, 10:32:39 AM
It's also worth noting that most people in Israel do not support their government's actions, and they want Bibi outta there. Just like it's worth noting that most Palestinians do not support Hamas.

Provide evidence. Majority of Palestinians support and elected Hamas but that's because they've been pushed to. Provide source on Israelis. They re-elecfed Bibi so it's plain they want this.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/poll-shows-backing-for-netanyahu-imploding-gantz-taking-the-rudder/
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/biden-netanyahu-israel-gaza-war/

Bibi's popularity was cratering long before the attacks, including the massive protests in Israel a few months ago, against his Supreme Court power grab. He's currently hiding from the press over the comments he once made about strengthening Hamas in order to bait violence that could be exploited to end two-state solution options.

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-show-majority-gazans-were-against-breaking-ceasefire-hamas-and-hezbollah

There hasn't been an election there since 2006, so that's an irrelevant point.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 16, 2023, 03:27:09 PM
Excuse me for my mistake but I was referring to the parliament election from last year. Bibi won a majority.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Israeli_legislative_election
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2023, 03:54:19 PM
Quote from: Himu on October 16, 2023, 03:27:09 PM
Excuse me for my mistake but I was referring to the parliament election from last year. Bibi won a majority.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Israeli_legislative_election
Yes he won but is currently underwater and it doesn't look like he will be re-elected. Point I'm making is we aren't seeing a 911-type "rally around the flag" shit in Israel, based on the polling and media reports there. Israelis are mad about the attack and wondering why those people were essentially left to die while IDF forces focused on protecting settlers in the West Bank. Not to mention that US and Egyptian intel warned Israel something bad was about to happen. It's like if US media responded to 911 by focusing on that Bin Laden memo Bush received. We're all old enough to remember how little time and interest that got from the media, as they blindly allowed the administration to lay the groundwork for invading Iraq.

You can also see international and US pressure is starting to happen. It seems to me that Biden and Blinken are using their leverage, knowing that Bibi cannot attack them. He has to embrace the US right now, and clearly Biden started out by saying all the things Israel wanted to hear. But now? Clearly the tide has turned and the US is applying pressure.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 16, 2023, 07:27:10 PM
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-16/ty-article/.premium/how-netanyahus-approval-ratings-have-hit-rock-bottom-in-israel/0000018b-38b3-dd09-a1bf-3abb69c70000

Definitely not a 9/11 situation of the leader getting more support.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 17, 2023, 03:32:16 AM
Remember that the Jews were refugees after WWII. They are doing all of this against the people that took them in. Maybe cons are right about refugees and wouldn't Israelis prove them right?

NOI are idolators but hey, Farrakhan is correct.

https://youtu.be/7O5eL2MzNtA?si=m9eflOqvhZLSGjDS
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on October 17, 2023, 03:38:13 AM
the oppressor is always in fear that what they are doing to others will be done to themselves if they lose power/control. always projecting at the oppressed as animals, savages, terrorists. anything less than human and deserving of punishment no matter how extreme.


isn't netanyahu losing popularity because israelis would prefer someone more towards the fascist side?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on October 17, 2023, 02:48:56 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2023, 03:23:54 PM
There hasn't been an election there since 2006, so that's an irrelevant point.

Yeah, I think its worth remembering that legitimate political parties acting under the will of the people tend not to suspend all elections indefinitely the second they have power.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on October 17, 2023, 02:50:15 PM
Or put their legitimate military targets under fucking schools and hospitals

:kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 17, 2023, 11:32:58 PM
Israel bombed a hospital. Fuck Israel. Pigs.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on October 18, 2023, 12:51:55 AM
https://twitter.com/ImNotAbdi/status/1714367023105397076


every clip I've seen from this interview is piers getting wrecked. bassem youssef is a genius
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 18, 2023, 02:54:19 AM
https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1714412841040511327


https://twitter.com/gorillatankie/status/1714421320325415334
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on October 18, 2023, 03:52:13 AM
Quote from: Himu on October 17, 2023, 03:32:16 AM
Remember that the Jews were refugees after WWII. They are doing all of this against the people that took them in. Maybe cons are right about refugees and wouldn't Israelis prove them right?
:wut
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 18, 2023, 09:09:48 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CyiWR7_sA3e/

Trump, what's your take on this? If it's more Israel support I think I know who to vote for in 2024: no one.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 18, 2023, 02:17:10 PM
https://twitter.com/ArchRose90/status/1714617650888794547 (https://twitter.com/ArchRose90/status/1714617650888794547)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on October 18, 2023, 03:30:39 PM
Quote from: Himu on October 18, 2023, 09:09:48 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CyiWR7_sA3e/

Trump, what's your take on this?

Move the US embassy in Israel to... Mecca?

(https://abload.de/img/bibi12ei8.gif) :trumps

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 18, 2023, 04:18:10 PM
Quote from: Himu on October 18, 2023, 09:09:48 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CyiWR7_sA3e/

Trump, what's your take on this? If it's more Israel support I think I know who to vote for in 2024: no one.

https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1714734621173412339 (https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1714734621173412339)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 18, 2023, 08:00:46 PM
Make the Israeli pigs oink by any means necessary and boycott the  Democratic Party are the main goals right now.

I pray to Allah that Trump sees reason and calls the Israelis out for being the genocidal blood suckers they are. I will vote for him if he does.

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1714432578852438392
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 18, 2023, 11:07:29 PM
https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1714748575551304076
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 19, 2023, 03:16:18 PM
https://twitter.com/still_oppressed/status/1714838724499095870
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 19, 2023, 06:52:57 PM
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1712441643280793903 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1712441643280793903)

The Legend of Hamas: Tears of the Gaza
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on October 20, 2023, 12:56:21 AM
Himu and Nintex dancing around each other in this thread.

I want the cage match.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kevtones on October 20, 2023, 01:54:12 AM
Where did everyone go? I’ve been busy.


Anyway, from cursory reading:

1) Israel has attempted peace talks in 93, 95, 00, 07, 09 and very briefly in 2020. The PLO and then Hamas rejected it every time.

2) Hamas rules over the Palestinian people. Most Palestinians do not like Hamas because Hamas treats them like collateral damage and pawns to a greater purpose. Hamas is not allowing them to leave.

3) Hamas firmly believes that Israel and the Jewish people should be eradicated. They are analogous to Nazis.

4) Hamas killed 1400 innocent Jews on 10/7 in horrific fashion.

5) Hamas has spent the last two years taking all the Iran-money and aid meant for their people and used it to plan this attack (this is from  their leadership).

6) Turning off the water is effective because Hamas took the water pipes meant for their infrastructure and used it to build rockets.

7) A hospital parking lot was bombed and 10-50 people died. Both sides contradict but the US says it was a Palenstine Jihad group and Hamas has already been caught in death toll, nature and location lies.

8) Various western media outlets TRUSTED Hamas blindly. A terrorist group without fact checking whatsoever.

9) Hamas is holding 200 or so hostages.



Yes, Israel has not been perfect at all but holy fuck what the hell is wrong with the left right now? Like, Resetera especially is implicitly trusting and seemingly siding with Hamas despite them being a terrorist group and functionally believing in trans-genocide as a creed.


Tell me what I’m missing?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 20, 2023, 02:16:47 AM
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1715161786943410554

Of course.

@kevtones - I'm not left at all and after the beheaded babies lie I do not trust anything from Israel. "Israel hasn't been perfect" sure fucking hasn't. I think it's fair to support the people of Palestine and not Hamas. Israel is a fascist authoritarian state. They've brought this on themselves.

Meanwhile the administration wante to take every single opportunity to suck Jewish sausage. At least it's kosher.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 20, 2023, 02:21:46 AM
Absolute unhinged lunacy.

https://twitter.com/yopasta/status/1715194880245502110

https://twitter.com/Angelo4justice3/status/1715207459458162945

FYI: I have been reading One Piece since 2004. If WWIII happens I won't get an ending.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Kevtones on October 20, 2023, 02:48:47 AM
Quote from: Himu on October 20, 2023, 02:16:47 AM
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1715161786943410554

Of course.

@kevtones - I'm not left at all and after the beheaded babies lie I do not trust anything from Israel. "Israel hasn't been perfect" sure fucking hasn't. I think it's fair to support the people of Palestine and not Hamas. Israel is a fascist authoritarian state. They've brought this on themselves.

Meanwhile the administration wante to take every single opportunity to suck Jewish sausage. At least it's kosher.


Beheaded babies was a lie? When was that confirmed? Also, Hamas used their GoPros and killed a bunch of babies, is that enough?


If Israel removed Hamas from Palestine, wouldn’t that be in Palestine’s favor? I see the word ethnic cleansing tossed around haphazardly right now (not by you), but that is specifically not happening here. However, that is very much the doctrine of Hamas’ desire. Jewish eradication. There is no conceivable way that Hamas is the future of Palestine.

Anyway, that’s why a ceasefire is such a fucking joke. That’s what Israel did two years ago and Hamas planned their 9/11.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 20, 2023, 02:53:48 AM
Multiple outlets walked it back. Israel has cut off water and electricity in Gaza. They are war pigs.

Why can't that fucking country defend themselves? Why do we have to support them?

https://twitter.com/sovereignbrah/status/1712986929548165423

This exactly.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 20, 2023, 03:10:49 AM
Kevtones I've seen so much Israel propaganda and SUPPORT US BECAUSE OF THE HOLOCAUST my entire life that I no longer care about that country or their fight.

https://twitter.com/CensoredMen/status/1712632433651167445

https://twitter.com/pacifistlib/status/1712636333171355885

Leave them to their fate. Why should we be dragged in?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on October 20, 2023, 05:13:06 AM
Quote from: Himu on October 20, 2023, 02:21:46 AM
FYI: I have been reading One Piece since 2004. If WWII happens I won't get an ending.

wow, stay safe
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 20, 2023, 05:26:32 AM
:sabu you too. Read One Piece during the hard times, man.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on October 20, 2023, 05:49:27 AM
people like kevtones really fall for stuff like the "40 decapitated babies" propaganda and are confused that not everybody is so gullible.


did he also believe in the lie that that got the U.S. into the gulf war:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

"Iraqis murdered kuwaiti babies in incubators"


it's the same playbook, but they threw in a "this is israel's 9/11!" on top

it's the most ridiculous lies at this point and there should not be surprise when people are not buying in anymore
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 20, 2023, 03:22:09 PM
I watched the GoPro videos, what Hamas did was terrible and what their foreign agents and marxist sympathizers are doing to our society is even worse.

Biden is right, we need to set our political differences aside and fight for freedom. :salute

You may not agree with what is happening but that is exactly why we must win. Like Rumsfeld said, who do you want to lead the world if not us?
In the last few years we've seen what a world ruled by China, Saudi Arabia and Russia would look like if we take a step back. No rule of law, no decency, no humanity.

We need to crush these Hamas clowns with all our power to avenge the poor souls they murdered and free Palestine from their grasp.
Only when Hamas is destroyed can there be peace. They are like ISIS, pure evil. There is no other word for it.

After World War 2 we said "never again" with regards to the Holocaust, when you look at all the hatred for the jews that has shown itself in recent days this moment right now is "never again".
When you remove pamphlets of missing people, trash memorial sites and cheer the massacre that took place at a music festival, you should go and join your friends in Iran and stay the hell out of our society.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 20, 2023, 03:39:27 PM
Fighting for Israel is fighting for freedom? In what world? They have cucked my country and aren't even a real ally. They ignored Egyptian intelligence despite having Mossad, they didn't let their army engage, and allowed those innocents to be killed. Israel allowed this to happen on their watch. And we have to fight for them? Why? Because of some pact almost 100 years ago? Fuck them. Leave them their fate.

Never again? That's on you. It's not America's problem. Defend your own damn selves.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 20, 2023, 04:14:01 PM
Quote from: team filler on October 20, 2023, 05:49:27 AM
people like kevtones really fall for stuff like the "40 decapitated babies" propaganda and are confused that not everybody is so gullible.


did he also believe in the lie that that got the U.S. into the gulf war:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

"Iraqis murdered kuwaiti babies in incubators"


it's the same playbook, but they threw in a "this is israel's 9/11!" on top

it's the most ridiculous lies at this point and there should not be surprise when people are not buying in anymore

Given:

1. The Iraq War
2. The Gulf War
3. The War on Terror
4. Abu Ghraib

I'm just naturally skeptical any time of western wars in Muslim nations. Almost always any time we interfere things are worse and less stable whether it's Gaddafi and Libya or Saddam and Iraq which always leads to worse outcomes like the forming of ISIS. Saddam didn't fly one plane into the America. Saudi Arabia funded it and they now we are trying to be buddy buddy with those Jawas.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on October 20, 2023, 04:27:29 PM
https://twitter.com/BISBAAS_/status/1715186634906308700


 :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 20, 2023, 04:32:29 PM
She's lucky she's not wearing clothes that say,"Press" or else he'd lock iron sights at her head. Good thing she's not an American journalist, maybe people would care then.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 20, 2023, 04:58:05 PM
Quote from: Himu on October 20, 2023, 03:39:27 PM
Fighting for Israel is fighting for freedom? In what world? They have cucked my country and aren't even a real ally. They ignored Egyptian intelligence despite having Mossad, they didn't let their army engage, and allowed those innocents to be killed. Israel allowed this to happen on their watch. And we have to fight for them? Why? Because of some pact almost 100 years ago? Fuck them. Leave them their fate.

Never again? That's on you. It's not America's problem. Defend your own damn selves.
Look at the demographics of the Middle East over the past few decades, what happened to the Christian minorities? The Yezidis, the Jews? What is happening to the Kurds?

Do you think Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran will stop after they destroy Israel? These are not honorable Mujahideen but butchers, terrorists and criminals.
If the free world does not help (and thankfully Israel can handle much of the fighting itself) and offer support and allows itself to be undermined by bad actors the consequences will be terrible.

The Israelis aren't happy with their government and there is a good argument that Bibi should be removed from office but that is what the Democratic institutions are for.
All Hamas has done since taking over Gaza in 2005 is breed terrorists, arm terrorists and deny the people of Gaza the bright future a vibrant coastal city could provide.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 20, 2023, 05:02:00 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 20, 2023, 04:58:05 PM
Look at the demographics of the Middle East over the past few decades, what happened to the Christian minorities? The Yezidis, the Jews? What is happening to the Kurds?

Do you think Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran will stop after they destroy Israel? These are not honorable Mujahideen but butchers, terrorists and criminals.


Thanks to western colonialism. So you ask us to meddle even more. Yet every time we meddle, the region gets more and more extremist and far away from classical Islam. Funny!

Guess we should send more money to the Saudis so they can spread that vile Salafism even further.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on October 20, 2023, 05:29:59 PM
the west worked hard to destabilize and prop up brutal tyrants all over the middle east. this is the end result.

the west is not in the business of installing good leadership in these countries. it's preferred they fall in line with what western interest want and beat their citizens into submission.

the same has been happening all throughout south america and africa. any time the people tried to rise up, it's always stomped out from the support the west gives to the opposition. which is usually made up of the worst, most selfish people in any given country. the types who would have 99% of their country living in poverty so long as they get to be in power and all the benefits that come with it.

Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on October 21, 2023, 06:19:04 AM
https://twitter.com/propandco/status/1715666899193749677


"why don't you trust mainstream media? not everything is a conspiracy!"  :maduro
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 21, 2023, 09:12:29 AM
Remember that zion-ists are not loyal to America but Israel.

Also people are being fired for supporting Palestine. Zion-ists are flexing their power and there's nothing you can do about it.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 21, 2023, 09:36:21 AM
The Israelis were backing the Abraham accords, it was relatively peaceful in the region.

In fact, the biggest fight was in Israel itself between Bibi and his political opponents.
But Iran and Hamas feared a Saudi/Israeli partnership and decided that it was time to close down any path to peace.

Kushners proposal has been looked at with renewed interest as it was a great deal for all involved. Including infrastructure and high tech industries.
If the jew haters would not be so blind Gaza could be a thriving coastal city. It takes special skill to fuck up a coastal city. Really special skill.

They'd rather yell death to Israel from their shit hole than actually develop the area into a viable state. That's why Hamas doesn't deserve a state.

Israel is a testament to our efforts to help those in need. In a short time a vibrant and free state has been created in an area that used to be a desert.
Siding with Hamas is pure insanity. They don't care about what happens to you, they'd probably hang you from a crane or slit your throat just for fun.
And even if you don't care about Israel or any of it, this isn't good for the economy or trade. It just slows down the post-COVID recovery like the Ukraine war did.

Hamas fucked up with this attack simple as. And all the jew haters are doing is showing their true face and throwing fuel on the fire while many countries are using diplomacy to free the hostages and prevent further escalation.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on October 21, 2023, 01:25:47 PM
Quote from: Himu on October 20, 2023, 05:02:00 PM
Quote from: Nintex on October 20, 2023, 04:58:05 PM
Look at the demographics of the Middle East over the past few decades, what happened to the Christian minorities? The Yezidis, the Jews? What is happening to the Kurds?

Do you think Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran will stop after they destroy Israel? These are not honorable Mujahideen but butchers, terrorists and criminals.


Thanks to western colonialism. So you ask us to meddle even more. Yet every time we meddle, the region gets more and more extremist and far away from classical Islam. Funny!

Guess we should send more money to the Saudis so they can spread that vile Salafism even further.

Given its been a heavily militarily contested region for the 4,000 odd years of history we know about and 'western colonialism' accounts for less than the last hundred years, I suspect this is probably not true.
Also given that Islam, Judaism and Christianity are literally all splinter sects of the exact same religion, I also don't think any kind of theocracy is going to settle into a peaceful equilibrium.

Luckily the people who make the claims that everything wrong is all [faction] or [people]'s fault never have to prove that, as it is impossible to disprove!
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 21, 2023, 10:51:28 PM
https://x.com/ImranMuneerTMM/status/1715417767615025304

That's my man

Mashaa Allah
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 22, 2023, 01:33:15 AM
I cannot believe this is NYT. The longer this goes on the more friends Israel loses.

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1715779992838176780
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on October 22, 2023, 02:32:17 AM
Quote from: team filler on October 20, 2023, 05:29:59 PM
the west worked hard to destabilize and prop up brutal tyrants all over the middle east. this is the end result.

the west is not in the business of installing good leadership in these countries. it's preferred they fall in line with what western interest want and beat their citizens into submission.

the same has been happening all throughout south america and africa. any time the people tried to rise up, it's always stomped out from the support the west gives to the opposition. which is usually made up of the worst, most selfish people in any given country. the types who would have 99% of their country living in poverty so long as they get to be in power and all the benefits that come with it.
Oh, come on, you're smarter and more skeptical than this. These countries being ruled by thugs isn't the West's doing. This isn't to excuse or endorse the West's installation of specific thugs due to blinded statist/socialist thinking, but it's nonsense to think the absence of Western "destabilization" would mean a world covered in liberal democracies.

It's just a refashioning of the White Man's Burden if you claim the rule of thugs in a world where thugs have almost always ruled is evidence of "Western destablization" and active external suppression of the people, you're supporting not undermining the justification for Western intervention globally. You even slipped yourself as if "installing good leadership" was not just possible but warranted. :kermit
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on October 22, 2023, 02:35:47 AM
Quote from: Himu on October 22, 2023, 01:33:15 AM
I cannot believe this is NYT. The longer this goes on the more friends Israel loses.

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1715779992838176780
https://twitter.com/esmeraldamadx/status/1715780276863816148
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 22, 2023, 04:14:31 AM
https://abcnews.go.com/US/detroit-synagogue-president-found-stabbed-death-home/story?id=104197780

Not cool. May she be at peace. Ameen.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 22, 2023, 08:56:38 AM
Repeat after me: fuck Israel.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CymPk5VLXgl/?igshid=MmU2YjMzNjRlOQ==

And of course the Zion-ists must censor and smear.

From the words of the Imam:

Quote
Update: @meta really had the audacity to mark this as false information when it is not only verified news, but Justin Amash (a former congressman) lost family in the attack. Even lsrael has admitted to this one. Your "independent fact checkers" need to be checked @meta lsrael just bombed the 3rd oldest church in the world murdering a few more scores of Palestinians. For those of you still in denial of a genocide, we have community members with 30-40 relatives wiped out in Gaza. It's not just Muslims, it's everything and everyone Palestinian.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 22, 2023, 09:23:11 AM
Quote from: Himu on October 22, 2023, 08:56:38 AM
Repeat after me: fuck Israel.

(https://i.imgur.com/BLqZqnk.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 22, 2023, 04:52:40 PM
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/22/funeral-slain-detroit-synagogue-president-00122914

Updates on the Detroit Jewish victim. Sounds like a wonderful woman who pushed Jewish and Muslim relations. So far as I've read no leads on a perp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 22, 2023, 05:52:34 PM
From the river to the sea

Anti-semites as far as the eye can see
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 22, 2023, 06:20:38 PM
Through all of this the geriatric is at the beach.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 22, 2023, 08:24:57 PM
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-tells-gazans-move-south-or-risk-being-seen-terrorist-partner-2023-10-22/?utm_source=reddit.com

Fuck Israel. If this world were just and America cared about "democracy" as much as we state we would do to Israel what we did to Iraq and it would be deserved. But nope. Gotta side with literal war criminals because muh Holocaust who are committing another Holocaust.

It's great seeing Israel get the reparations black Americans deserved.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on October 22, 2023, 09:55:55 PM
Quote from: Himu on October 22, 2023, 08:24:57 PM
If this world were just and America cared about "democracy" as much as we state we would do to Israel what we did to Iraq and it would be deserved. But nope.
If the "world were just" the United States, country of the West, would intervene in the Middle East and invade a democracy to install a democracy (after a long non-democratic occupation) that would elect the same people while wasting billions in wealth and numerous lives?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 22, 2023, 10:30:26 PM
Argh. :stop
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 23, 2023, 03:15:28 AM
If the jews were gone they'd just continue with the regularly scheduled Sunni/Shia war or whatever. The Middle East is like a garden every season we have to weed it but sometimes there is a blight or ant plague that requires more drastic measures.

It's more worrying that lots of Muslim migrants living in the west and useless left wing morons are promoting and supporting the very same ideas like segregation, anti-semitism, jihad, teenage pregnancies and arranged marriages. Most of which ruined their own countries.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 23, 2023, 04:19:14 AM
What's the pertinence of the Middle East in this topic? It's not even the most populous Muslim region.

Arab nations were fine before colonialism. Your "weeding" things out has only caused more damage. You've got balls to say "we" when really it's American might and power that supplies your European testosterone. You say "we" but it will be Uncle Sam that supplies those boots on the ground. Like most Europeans you're all talk. Europe lost her religion, became soft, cling to atheism, and now you wanna bitch. Heh. Sorry that the Muslims are the only ones getting things done where the soft Christians failed.

If not for the Europeans meddling in affairs Jews and Muslims would still have fairly close relations. Remember that at the end of the day is was Christian Europe that committed the Holocaust, started two world wars, and more. Not USA, not Muslims...Also, Africans, Muslims, Arabs, had no trouble with Jews mostly until the creation of Israel. Another colonialist British move. How convenient.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on October 23, 2023, 06:28:49 AM
Quote from: Himu on October 23, 2023, 04:19:14 AM
Arab nations were fine before colonialism.
So we're talking about, what, the 16th Century at the latest?

Quote from: Himu on October 23, 2023, 04:19:14 AM
Sorry that the Muslims are the only ones getting things done where the soft Christians failed.

If not for the Europeans meddling in affairs Jews and Muslims would still have fairly close relations. Remember that at the end of the day is was Christian Europe that committed the Holocaust, started two world wars, and more. Not USA, not Muslims...Also, Africans, Muslims, Arabs, had no trouble with Jews mostly until the creation of Israel. Another colonialist British move. How convenient.
Speaking of convenient, are they getting things done or are they helpless victims being divided and driven to centuries of hatred by the West?

You have made a lot of noise and fury about your opposition to progressives the last couple years, but as I keep pointing you, then you bite at every low hanging bait social justice warriors like Nintex throw out with the same red meat ad hoc chest beating agency denial they do.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on October 23, 2023, 08:36:33 AM
The Ottoman Empire was fine before 'colonialism'
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 23, 2023, 02:59:05 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 23, 2023, 06:28:49 AM
Quote from: Himu on October 23, 2023, 04:19:14 AM
Arab nations were fine before colonialism.
So we're talking about, what, the 16th Century at the latest?

Quote from: Himu on October 23, 2023, 04:19:14 AM
Sorry that the Muslims are the only ones getting things done where the soft Christians failed.

If not for the Europeans meddling in affairs Jews and Muslims would still have fairly close relations. Remember that at the end of the day is was Christian Europe that committed the Holocaust, started two world wars, and more. Not USA, not Muslims...Also, Africans, Muslims, Arabs, had no trouble with Jews mostly until the creation of Israel. Another colonialist British move. How convenient.
Speaking of convenient, are they getting things done or are they helpless victims being divided and driven to centuries of hatred by the West?

You have made a lot of noise and fury about your opposition to progressives the last couple years, but as I keep pointing you, then you bite at every low hanging bait social justice warriors like Nintex throw out with the same red meat ad hoc chest beating agency denial they do.

19th and 20th centuries in particular which helped fuel the creation of extremist sects such as Salafism/Wahhabism. Are Muslims to blame for the spread of it? Absolutely, especially Saudi Arabia, but my critique of western countries criticizing Muslim countries which they colonized for centuries and then wondering "why are they like this?" still stands. This complete disregard, lack of reading the room that western countries employ in their will to control the world repeatedly is self creating process. The War on Terror is Exhibit E at this point. It's the west, if anything, that lacks agency in its crimes and it continuously points a proverbial finger after shoving it in peoples ass and yelling at them for having the audacity for making their finger smelly.

Hm, fair critique but a result of confusion as I'm talking about completely different things. "Getting things done" is referencing American Muslims. I'm making fun of how Christians live in a so-called Christian nation but they complain all the time about their cultural relevance. They say America and the western world were born of Christian values (which is questionable, especially during and post-enlightenment) while at the same time complaining we've lost our way as they also highlight how free to do what they want. If you promote a hyper individualistic society you get a hyper individualistic society yet conservatives and Christians are mad about this despite claiming it's the society they created. You see this all the time among the western American and European nationalists and conservatives. On one hand,"it's only in the west where people can marry whom they want, if you tried that in the middle east you'd be thrown off a building" and then the other,"they are destroying the family" or "we live in a society of nihilism" as they lose the cultural tide to purple-haired lesbians and nihilistic atheists. Meanwhile, Muslims are their last line of defense repeatedly on several fronts as they fight nationalist/conservatives battles for them including things like teaching LGBTQ Pride in schools. Examples include here (https://youtu.be/fVnBKCzpMqY?si=Yp_Bj6ljTLB2PFrr) and here (https://youtu.be/PTtvyrUaUcw?si=MXZXlXn_ap83NXcY). You can use Piers Morgan as the perfect example of the conflict in interest. Muslims in America and the west live a completely different life than Muslims elsewhere, especially the ones in Palestine, Iraq, and more. It's two different contextual circumstances based on culture and region. It's also a fairly complicated issue.

You should just ask me to expound rather than cast aspersions which just naturally makes me guarded and defensive and then discussion doesn't happen further because you're just pointing out "you're this" "you're that" instead of just simply asking what I meant. Work on your communication.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 23, 2023, 03:21:41 PM
As for colonialism in the context of Israel as a college professor you should know about the Balfour Declaration which is a direct result of those beans on toast people doing the most brazen shit when they owned half the world that modern day is still dealing with. So your 16th century remark makes you look dumb, which I know you're not, or insincere and not wanting to discuss in good faith.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

Quote from: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on October 23, 2023, 08:36:33 AM
The Ottoman Empire was fine before 'colonialism'

True, shame the Ottomans lost their power.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 23, 2023, 04:33:00 PM
https://twitter.com/rawsalerts/status/1716544803339436237 (https://twitter.com/rawsalerts/status/1716544803339436237)

Quote
President Joe Biden interrupts his speech, saying he needs to head to the situation room, and he states, “I have to go to the situation room. There’s an issue I need to deal with.”

Rumor is Vladimir Vladimirovich has kicked the proverbial bucket.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on October 23, 2023, 11:16:46 PM
 :tocry :stahp
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 23, 2023, 11:26:42 PM
WTF happened?

:stop
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2023, 12:41:19 AM
Quote from: Himu on October 23, 2023, 02:59:05 PM
You should just ask me to expound rather than cast aspersions which just naturally makes me guarded and defensive and then discussion doesn't happen further because you're just pointing out "you're this" "you're that" instead of just simply asking what I meant. Work on your communication.
The fucking irony. :lol

Quote from: Himu on October 23, 2023, 03:21:41 PM
As for colonialism in the context of Israel as a college professor you should know about the Balfour Declaration which is a direct result of those beans on toast people doing the most brazen shit when they owned half the world that modern day is still dealing with. So your 16th century remark makes you look dumb, which I know you're not, or insincere and not wanting to discuss in good faith.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

Quote from: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on October 23, 2023, 08:36:33 AM
The Ottoman Empire was fine before 'colonialism'

True, shame the Ottomans lost their power.
Sorry, my bad for ignorantly and insincerely thinking colonialism predates the 20th Century, you obviously know so much more and can trace everything to a post World War I decision by the only global powers to fill a gap. I concede my inability to discuss in good faith the peaceful paradise of unity that predated 1919.

Just one more thing... what non-Arab Empire (that invited Jewish settlement) collapsing led to the British and French mandates in the region?
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on October 24, 2023, 01:10:15 AM
vladdy P just died, benj. show some tact  :ussrcry
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 24, 2023, 02:17:31 AM
Vladdy gonna miss out on the GTAVI trailer.

Jeez Benji. Feisty. Mraow.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2023, 03:06:13 AM
Quote from: team filler on October 24, 2023, 01:10:15 AM
vladdy P just died, benj. show some tact  :ussrcry
Call me when it's Vlade Divac. :pitbull
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on October 24, 2023, 03:45:04 AM
leave the greatest lakers center of all time out of this  ::)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on October 24, 2023, 01:08:26 PM

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True, shame the Ottomans lost their power.

So the Middle East can be under the domination of a foreign power, as long as it's "Muslim"?

 :confused
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 24, 2023, 03:34:48 PM
Quote from: Sman on October 24, 2023, 01:08:26 PM

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True, shame the Ottomans lost their power.

So the Middle East can be under the domination of a foreign power, as long as it's "Muslim"?

 :confused

I retract.

Ottomans were flawed. I was just being cheeky.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on October 25, 2023, 01:58:38 AM
Quote from: Sman on October 24, 2023, 01:08:26 PM

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True, shame the Ottomans lost their power.

So the Middle East can be under the domination of a foreign power, as long as it's "Muslim"?

 :confused
You're not supposed to just say it, you want them to find their way to it on their own. :rage
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 25, 2023, 04:37:19 PM
The GOP has a new speaker endorsed by Trump, he's going to get a bill to the floor ASAP in support of Israel. :trumps

Bibi has announced a date for the attack on Hamas has been set but won't elaborate further.

The mission of the IDF is to free the hostages and defeat Hamas once and for all.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on October 27, 2023, 01:04:36 AM
Quote from: Nintex on October 25, 2023, 04:37:19 PM
The GOP has a new speaker endorsed by Trump, he's going to get a bill to the floor ASAP in support of Israel. :trumps

America Second™
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on October 27, 2023, 01:21:31 AM
writing in netanyahu on my 2024 ballot!  :rejoice
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on October 27, 2023, 10:19:14 AM
Skip the Middle Man vote for the GOAT

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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Sman on October 30, 2023, 06:42:43 AM
Black-Arab unity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p-aOVUHp6k

(https://abload.de/img/not-like-thishhftd.gif)
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Himu on October 30, 2023, 10:31:05 AM
Black-Arab unity? Since when? Arabs racist as hell.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on October 30, 2023, 03:47:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nShvaJ3aLDo


back when narwuar was cool  :lol
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Raist on November 02, 2023, 04:43:35 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67294809

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M&S has apologised after being accused of posting an Instagram photo of Christmas party hats in the colours of the Palestinian flag on fire.


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Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on November 02, 2023, 06:42:08 AM
They flipped the image in post, it was supposed to be a fuck you to Italy
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: team filler on November 05, 2023, 03:05:42 AM
https://twitter.com/am_headache/status/1720626935405986250
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: benjipwns on November 23, 2023, 05:27:29 AM
More Occam-approved democracy protection in Germany:
Quote from: https://apnews.com/article/germany-hamas-raids-berlin-67068b14d7b138af6df93647d0e856eb
The raids, which mostly took place in Berlin, were meant to enforce the bans and to further investigate the groups, the German interior ministry said in a statement.

A total of 15 properties were searched in Berlin and the states of Lower Saxony, North Rhine-Westphalia and Schleswig-Holstein.

In Berlin alone, more than 300 police officers carried out searches at 11 locations in order to seize evidence and assets. Seven searches were related to Hamas and four to Samidoun. The searches mainly took place at the homes of supporters and the premises of a Palestinian association, German news agency dpa reported.

Germany has been clamping down on groups supporting antisemitism in the wake of the latest Israel-Hamas war.

On Tuesday, police raided the homes of 17 people in the southern German state of Bavaria who were accused of spreading antisemitic hate speech and threats targeting Jews online. On Nov. 16, German police raided 54 locations across the country in an investigation of a Hamburg-based organization suspected of promoting the Iranian leadership’s ideology and possibly supporting activities of Hezbollah in Germany.

“We are keeping a close eye on the Islamist scene,” Faeser said. “Islamists and antisemites cannot and must not feel safe anywhere here.” She said the members and supporters of Hamas in Germany are also committed to influencing the political and social discourse in the country.

“We are continuing our consistent action against radical Islamists,” German Interior Minister Nancy Faeser said. “By banning Hamas and Samidoun in Germany, we have sent a clear signal that we will not tolerate any glorification or support of Hamas’ barbaric terror against Israel.”
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Pissy F Benny on November 25, 2023, 04:10:29 PM
i suspect hes on a zwarte ops mission to take out Dirty Gerty rn :nothot
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Nintex on November 25, 2023, 06:45:24 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_pbCT7XsAAAwc5?format=jpg)

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Wilders didn't even have to campaign. 0 rallies, 0 news paper ads, 0 TV ads, 0 online ads.
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 27, 2023, 08:51:12 AM
Quote from: Nintex on November 25, 2023, 06:45:24 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_pbCT7XsAAAwc5?format=jpg)

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Wilders didn't even have to campaign. 0 rallies, 0 news paper ads, 0 TV ads, 0 online ads.

You mean he campaigned from his basement?  :doge
Title: Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
Post by: Occam on February 20, 2024, 07:56:09 PM
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/2/18/2224293/--Christian-family-moves-to-Russia-to-escape-LGBTQ-and-now-can-t-get-out-of-their-living-hell