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Title: Music Production Help
Post by: Beezy on February 14, 2014, 04:36:42 AM: http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/14/5405878/roland-aira-tr-8-return-of-the-808

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Title: Re: Tiesto, thoughts? (Roland's 808 Successor)
Post by: T-Short on February 14, 2014, 01:53:24 PM: Ugly as shit, but I guess feature-wise it looks pretty nice for $400-ish? No parameter recording is a bit weird.
Title: Re: Tiesto, thoughts? (Roland's 808 Successor)
Post by: Akala on February 15, 2014, 10:32:07 AM: kinda groovy. I've played around with 808's before.
Title: Re: Tiesto, thoughts? (Roland's 808 Successor)
Post by: Beezy on February 15, 2014, 11:54:31 AM: Quote from: Hyoushi on February 14, 2014, 01:53:24 PM
Ugly as shit, but I guess feature-wise it looks pretty nice for $400-ish? No parameter recording is a bit weird.
<---doesn't know what parameter recording is

Are any of the copycats of the original this cheap?
Title: Re: Tiesto, thoughts? (Roland's 808 Successor)
Post by: T-Short on February 15, 2014, 12:10:03 PM: Quote from: Beezy on February 15, 2014, 11:54:31 AM
Quote from: Hyoushi on February 14, 2014, 01:53:24 PM
Ugly as shit, but I guess feature-wise it looks pretty nice for $400-ish? No parameter recording is a bit weird.
<---doesn't know what parameter recording is

Are any of the copycats of the original this cheap?

Well, parameter recording lets you record changes to the drum sounds/samples, either by turning knobs in realtime with the sequence or making settings for each step. Elektron's stuff (Machinedrum for instance, or the new Analog Rytm) lets you have individual settings for each sound for each step of the sequence if you want, which enables you to do really crazy stuff with the beats. That said, Elektron stuff costs a lot more.
Title: Re: Tiesto, thoughts? (Roland's 808 Successor)
Post by: DCharlieJP on February 16, 2014, 09:25:01 AM: i still have my MC505 - i plan to dig it out and play with it but i honestly have forgotten how to use the frigging thing
Title: Re: Tiesto, thoughts? (Roland's 808 Successor)
Post by: Akala on February 16, 2014, 12:01:25 PM: Quote from: DCharlieJP on February 16, 2014, 09:25:01 AM
i still have my MC505 - i plan to dig it out and play with it but i honestly have forgotten how to use the frigging thing

that's how all this bullshit works D:
Title: Re: Tiesto, thoughts? (Roland's 808 Successor)
Post by: Beezy on February 16, 2014, 03:30:59 PM: I'm a complete noob to all music production hardware and software, but I'm looking for somewhere to start. And I don't have a Mac or money to drop on one anytime soon, so no logic pro. FL Studio is the only DAW that I KIND OF understand a bit. I'm looking for a good place to start and hoping this could be it.
Title: Re: Tiesto, thoughts? (Roland's 808 Successor)
Post by: Vizzys on February 16, 2014, 03:55:24 PM: you might be better off with like native instruments maschine
its more of a controller with software rather than a hardware drum machine but ya
it comes with sounds and Massive (synth)
i mean you could be a purist and get like an actual drum machine but I say at least look into it
Title: Re: Tiesto, thoughts? (Roland's 808 Successor)
Post by: Eric P on February 16, 2014, 04:27:59 PM: I have machine but I almost prefer to just use pure software solutions rather than controller based ones.

My sense of rhythm isn't as good as my ability to sequence something manually.
Title: Re: Tiesto, thoughts? (Roland's 808 Successor)
Post by: Beezy on February 16, 2014, 04:33:06 PM: I hate having to do everything by clicking away at a mouse. Makes me lose interest quick. I think a controller like what Viz mentioned would be better for me. I'll look into that if they don't cost too much.
Title: Re: Tiesto, thoughts? (Roland's 808 Successor)
Post by: Fifstar on February 17, 2014, 06:22:19 AM: Quote from: Beezy on February 16, 2014, 03:30:59 PM
I'm a complete noob to all music production hardware and software, but I'm looking for somewhere to start. And I don't have a Mac or money to drop on one anytime soon, so no logic pro. FL Studio is the only DAW that I KIND OF understand a bit. I'm looking for a good place to start and hoping this could be it.

FL Loops these days is good for pretty much anything, save maybe for big scale pop production. No need to get a Mac if your system runs audio well, you'll need a proper soundcard though if haven't one already. If you want somethin similar to Logic, Cubase is kinda in the same vein. Ableton is also worth a look, it's easy to get into imo.

It really depends on what you want to do, although it can be difficult to know want you want before you've tried some options.

If you want a more hands on approach than just mouse and daw, you can either add controllers that control your virtual instruments (like keyboards and drumpads), use some of the hybrid solutions like NI machine or or AKAI MPC renaissance (those can be used with relatively little mouse use, but it depends on your workflow), add real drummachines and synthesizers (like this 808 successor) and record them into your daw or you can go full on hardware where you not only need sound sources but also want a proper sequencer and a mixer and record the final tune into the pc, with no internal mixing or sequencing.

Regarding this, it's looks like a fun machine to use, but you're limited to 808 sounds which are great, but just one weapon in your arsenal. Drumpads are cheap and you can control anything internal, but they require configuring which can kill your vibe before you even started. I'd get something ab it more versatile like a machine for a start and add proper hardware after you have a better idea where you want your workflow to go.
Title: Re: Tiesto, thoughts? (Roland's 808 Successor)
Post by: Beezy on February 17, 2014, 09:55:15 AM: Reading up on and watching some vids on Maschine. You guys are right, I'll be better off with something like this.
Title: Re: Tiesto, thoughts? (Roland's 808 Successor)
Post by: Vizzys on February 17, 2014, 06:18:51 PM: its cool, I own one (the original "mk1")
they make a newer "mk2" but they didnt change too much to justify price imo
also consider the "micro" version with the drawback that you will need to do a lot more things with a mouse in the software DAW like interface
be sure to buy it new so you get the 2.0 software cause otherwise it costs another 100$
Title: Re: Tiesto, thoughts? (Roland's 808 Successor)
Post by: Beezy on February 17, 2014, 07:52:04 PM: You think the price of the studio is justified or is the mk2 good enough? Regardless of what I choose, I won't be getting either for a couple months anyway.

Also, I went into Guitar Center today to get my guitar fixed (which didn't happen) and I ended up leaving with this:

(http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/product_pics/big/oxy61_3rdgen_big.jpg)
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Oxygen61.html

Didn't cost much so no regrets.
Title: Re: Tiesto, thoughts? (Roland's 808 Successor)
Post by: Fifstar on February 18, 2014, 05:52:27 AM: I have the same (slightly older version). Pretty solid allrounder, map some vst plugins functions to the rotarys and have fun!

From all I have read, the normal machine is good enough for most stuff. If studio is an option, take also a look at the MPC Renaissance, which essentialy combines the functions of the old mpcs with modern day daws.

gearslutz.com is a good forum if you want to read up on stuff gear related, although some opinions can be a bit extreme, as some of the hardcore members tend to overvalue hardware stuff imo.
Title: Re: Tiesto, thoughts? (Roland's 808 Successor)
Post by: Beezy on May 23, 2014, 09:47:51 AM: bump

Maschine Studio's are going for $649 at Guitar Center with a coupon for Memorial Day weekend, so I've decided to get one later today.

Edit: So the sales associate I spoke to online didn't know shit. They won't accept the coupon online or in store. I'll wait a bit longer to get this thing. :-\
Title: Re: Music Production Help
Post by: Beezy on May 24, 2014, 12:11:44 AM: Took a friend's advice and looked for a used one. Found one ebay for about the same price (a bit cheaper since there's no tax) w/ a carrying case included. Software still included too. I'm happy as shit right now.
Title: Re: Music Production Help
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 24, 2014, 09:38:46 PM: One day I'm going to buy an MPC.
Title: Re: Music Production Help
Post by: Beezy on May 24, 2014, 10:22:57 PM: Have you at least researched them and picked one that you want?
Title: Re: Music Production Help
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 24, 2014, 10:34:07 PM: MPC-2500. Basically all I want to do is loop pianos or do shit like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4Ec0HAgUSs
Title: Re: Music Production Help
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on May 27, 2014, 10:55:00 PM: I'd highly recommend fucking around with a bootlegged copy of Fruityloops before sinking the money into an MPC. My MPC is my favorite piece of hardware, but the interface is insanely archaic. Knowing the basics of production and parlaying that knowledge to a new platform is immensely helpful. The best parts of the MPC are fairly subtle things that may not be obvious if you're trying to get started. Almost all of Rocs beats are a dope drum loop and either a simple chop or another loop layered over it - you can figure out how to do that for a much lower price point than 900$.

If you do end up taking the plunge, take a look at the JJOS. Never used it for the 2500 since I have a 1000, but the features it adds are invaluable. It costs like 100$ now, but it's still being updated regularly and kicks the shit out of Akai's in-box OS.
Title: Re: Music Production Help
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on October 05, 2014, 04:44:32 AM: Ay, anyone with any tips on how to make subs pull can get their dick sucked
Title: Re: Music Production Help
Post by: toku on October 05, 2014, 05:00:06 AM: Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on October 05, 2014, 04:44:32 AM
Ay, anyone with any tips on how to make subs pull can get their dick sucked

Compressor? cutoff at around 120hz?
Title: Re: Music Production Help
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on October 05, 2014, 05:26:43 AM: I guess more specifically, getting subs to pull on garbage. The line between 'subtle' subs and 'obvious' on earbuds seems to been an Exciter plugin and that sounds so :yuck . Having a tough time getting my kicks and the subs to sound not super muddy. I'm trying to get my mixes in the ballpark of this, basswise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3itatBX3oV8

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i know this is turrible but it's the clearest reference for what im going for off top
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Sidenote: is anyone on splice? If not, I have a few invites left
Title: Re: Music Production Help
Post by: Beezy on October 05, 2014, 10:10:00 AM: What is that? *does a quick google* Yeah, can I get an invite?
Title: Re: Music Production Help
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on October 05, 2014, 03:25:46 PM: PM me your email and I'll hit you up when I get home
Title: Re: Music Production Help
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on November 10, 2014, 05:09:39 AM: Would appreciate any feedback from production nerds on this: https://soundcloud.com/xanax-castles/according
Title: Re: Music Production Help
Post by: Fifstar on November 10, 2014, 12:03:01 PM: Kinda sounds like a Uk bass House producer working on a track for a new Andre 3000 album. Not bad, but without a vocal not exciting enough. Strings and piano sound a bit too "straight from the DAW" too me.