THE BORE
General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: benjipwns on March 21, 2014, 06:28:25 PM
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Lol awesome. But at this point isn't the correct answer really all journalists? Even if they aren't sjw types I mean.
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women are not gamers
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jim sterling is fantastic and very definitely a journalist. he was probably the only fucker on the list to call out the console manufacturers - notably microsoft - for their always online drm fiasco while everyone else, including sessler sucked them off. sterling is consistently right, on almost every expose he has, and is one of the few game journalists to deserve the label. Putting sterling on this list disqualifies the entire list.
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the world would be much better if blacks, browns, gays, and women would stop playing video games
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This reminds me of the diagrams from conspiracy theory websites pointing out jewish people in finance
You're right, it would be a good idea to have a list of Jewish Videogame Journalists.
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This is a terrible list. None of my favorite social justice warriors are listed. smh.
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Andrew Vestal's twitter account is very sad that it and the GIA aren't included
:goty
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SJW is one of those labels like hipster where everyone has their own definition. But this list of people is so broad that I'm assuming in this case it means "anyone that has pointed out any problematic aspects of games/gaming culture. also anyone who has used the word problematic"
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SJW is one of those labels like hipster where everyone has their own definition. But this list of people is so broad that I'm assuming in this case it means "anyone that has pointed out any problematic aspects of games/gaming culture. also anyone who has used the word problematic"
More likely "anyone who has ever made your average gamer feel uncomfortable for being a potty mouthed 14 year old sexist racist fuckwit"
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Patrick is on there for not liking all the Otaku aspects of that one recent vita game isn't he? If there's one thing I've learned from anime forums is that Japan is the most progressive country when it comes to sex because of panty shots and how dare you question that.
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That's a really stupid list, granted, but Kotaku is still legitimately terrible across the board, though.
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Patrick is on there for not liking all the Otaku aspects of that one recent vita game isn't he? If there's one thing I've learned from anime forums is that Japan is the most progressive country when it comes to sex because of panty shots and how dare you question that.
rofl
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So what was the latest controversy that spawned this?
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Maybe Ground Zeros? I haven't actually seen much talk though. The NIS camp's been pretty quiet since the Monster Monopeice stuff(yes I know it's IF, but whatever same shit). It's just a continues build up of small proxy battles as little gamer watch thier medium go through growing pains. They are afraid of these guys asking questions about the medium since it makes them look at themselves. They see it as a personal attack as thier hobby is invaded. In the end, its not like the tna and shooty bang bang stuff is going anywhere.
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So what was the latest controversy that spawned this?
Somebody must have given Infamous four Stars of David out of five.
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https://twitter.com/carolynmichelle/status/447116660332191744
Carolyn Petit
@carolynmichelle
.@patrickklepek As a social justice warrior, I really have to say that there aren't nearly enough women represented on this list.
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I remember a lot of people freaked out recently because some woman gave Dragon's Crown a low score.
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Patrick is on there for not liking all the Otaku aspects of that one recent vita game isn't he? If there's one thing I've learned from anime forums is that Japan is the most progressive country when it comes to sex because of panty shots and how dare you question that.
rofl
Patrick's been going on about this stuff for a while now actually...
I also have to once again express my amusement regarding Koatku now being SJW-Land since previously they'd have/link lots of creepy figure galleries along with linking to their sister website fleshbot, not to mention that they're how I learned of the shithole that is sankaku complex. :yuck
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Kotaku 2008:
When the folks at Mnemosyne aren't busy running MMORPG Rubies Of Eventide, the busy themselves with other pursuits, such as developing the world's first beverage with the great taste of anime tentacle rape.
Tentacle Grape is a caffienated grape soda that Mnemosyne is targeting at gamers, cosplayers, and comic book fans. It is also perhaps the best name I've ever seen for a product you actually ingest. You can currently pre-order the soda (pre-ordering soda?) in six-packs for $15.99 plus shipping from the drink's website, with each order before January 5th eligible for free Tentacle Grape bumper stickers or condoms (soda pre-order bonuses?).
Kotaku 2012:
Yeah, you can say this is a fetish, and yeah, you can say it's a cultural thing (even though this is made not by a Japanese outfit but by Westerners), you can even say the act of rape is only being alluded to, but come on. Fact of the matter is, this is clearly intended to be a game about tentacle rape, to appeal to those people who find such things interesting and/or funny.
Who are usually the kind of people who don't understand its place in Japanese popular culture. Which leads us to awkward and uncomfortable situations like this one.
To each his/her own is a mantra I normally get by on, no matter how messed up the subject matter, but at the very least this game reflects poorly on Kickstarter, who seem to have no problem (provided they even know about it) hosting the project.
:heh
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Rape isn't funny anymore like it was in 2008, thanks Obama. :maf
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For all it's SJW, Kotaku sure likes to post about pretty women cosplaying.
But yeah Kotaku seems to be the focal point of all the anti-SJW people mostly it seems because of the Dragon's Crown thing. Which to be fair was pretty stupid.
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No representation from the few gaming sites I do read fairly regularly (USgamer, Siliconera). Maybe I'm a bad person for saying this, but when it comes to social justice warrior style gaming articles, I tune out. I'm on the sites for news and reviews...
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Patrick is kind of a vag tho.
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"Social Justice Warriors" sounds like the 19th season of power rangers
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Patrick is kind of a vag tho.
john walker too. he's got that insipid domestic british vaginess. the sort of person who uses "oh, biscuits!" as an expletive.
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Quinns era RPS was the best. I really enjoyed his writing.
Alec Meer has a kid, Jim's making a game, John is John (good when you agree, embarrassing when you don't)... So much for the old guard. Adam Smith taught me what "northern" means and Nathan Grayson is trying too hard (the recent pictures tell all). Craig Peasron seems alright. Graham Smith seems good too and Cara Ellison is delightful, but I rarely care about the topic she choses to write about. It's a wash, really.
Haven't read a full article there in years and I used to read them before bed and on the commute. :<
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I think if there is a legitimate criticism to make against this "SJW trend" it's similar to one often made against sports journalists. They like to feel like they're contributing to culture beyond their niche so they often tackle political/social topics that catch their fancy. And it rubs their "fans" the wrong way because they go to those people for their take on games or sporting events or what have you, not to hear why Obama should get a sex change in order to defeat Putin in the Ukraine. And when you tie that into something "wrong" with whatever it is they're a fan of (the Milwaukee Bucks, Call of Duty games, etc.) then it's doubly upsetting.
Wannabe Pundits is how Taranto phrases it because it seems like the writers aspire to be "regular" editorialists instead of "sports" or "media" reporters or what have you.
I think some of Kotaku's garbage falls into that possibly by the nature of who is "hired" to write, but say, Klepek or Sessler opining from time to time and tying it to gaming (which Patrick almost always does that I've seen) isn't even close.
Of course, the real problem is that there's no way to avoid this, they come to your house and force you to read articles on subjects you don't like. Quite frankly, I think that should be frowned upon, and maybe even illegal.
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I think if there is a legitimate criticism to make against this "SJW trend" it's similar to one often made against sports journalists. They like to feel like they're contributing to culture beyond their niche so they often tackle political/social topics that catch their fancy. And it rubs their "fans" the wrong way because they go to those people for their take on games or sporting events or what have you, not to hear why Obama should get a sex change in order to defeat Putin in the Ukraine. And when you tie that into something "wrong" with whatever it is they're a fan of (the Milwaukee Bucks, Call of Duty games, etc.) then it's doubly upsetting.
Wannabe Pundits is how Taranto phrases it because it seems like the writers aspire to be "regular" editorialists instead of "sports" or "media" reporters or what have you.
I think some of Kotaku's garbage falls into that possibly by the nature of who is "hired" to write, but say, Klepek or Sessler opining from time to time and tying it to gaming (which Patrick almost always does that I've seen) isn't even close.
Of course, the real problem is that there's no way to avoid this, they come to your house and force you to read articles on subjects you don't like. Quite frankly, I think that should be frowned upon, and maybe even illegal.
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you should just not visit kotaku in general
any site that felt the need to report on which animal crossing character has the most porn based on it is not a site worth visiting
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Wannabe Pundits is how Taranto phrases it because it seems like the writers aspire to be "regular" editorialists instead of "sports" or "media" reporters or what have you.
:comeon
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no u
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Don't hurt me, but I kind of see it as something like a "Silicon Valley dotcom boom" - lots of random "this for that" (http://itsthisforthat.com/) ideas for social justice crusade startups, a bunch of them get speculatively picked up and social capitalized by established Venture Social Capitalists, most of them fail but the dozen or so ideas that emerge out of that are going to be really important (http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/14/bill-gates-its-ok-if-half-of-silicon-valley-startups-are-silly/)
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I think if there is a legitimate criticism to make against this "SJW trend" it's similar to one often made against sports journalists. They like to feel like they're contributing to culture beyond their niche so they often tackle political/social topics that catch their fancy. And it rubs their "fans" the wrong way because they go to those people for their take on games or sporting events or what have you, not to hear why Obama should get a sex change in order to defeat Putin in the Ukraine. And when you tie that into something "wrong" with whatever it is they're a fan of (the Milwaukee Bucks, Call of Duty games, etc.) then it's doubly upsetting.
Wannabe Pundits is how Taranto phrases it because it seems like the writers aspire to be "regular" editorialists instead of "sports" or "media" reporters or what have you.
I think some of Kotaku's garbage falls into that possibly by the nature of who is "hired" to write, but say, Klepek or Sessler opining from time to time and tying it to gaming (which Patrick almost always does that I've seen) isn't even close.
Of course, the real problem is that there's no way to avoid this, they come to your house and force you to read articles on subjects you don't like. Quite frankly, I think that should be frowned upon, and maybe even illegal.
I'm in total agreement with you, benji. I read an article about the gaming press, it was obviously by a butthurt anti-SJW redditor type but he did make one good point. He said something to the extent of - "you go to game sites to get news and reviews about the latest games, not read political correct opinion pieces. It'd be like reading an iPhone review in Consumer Reports, and have the reviewers going off on a tangent instead of just talking about the quality of the damn phone."
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The butthurt anti-SJW redditor type has plenty of avenues for consumer report reporting on video games, so there is really no point, other than egotistical butthurtedness, to complain about writers wanting to write media critique or about culture as it pertains to video games.
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Yes I know that, and I don't read about 99.999% of all the articles I come across, whether it be because of a lack of interest and/or time. But based on what I've seen, most people are turned off by these SJW articles and its only a small minority who actually do sit down and read them and not throw back insults and protests and carry on in a shitfit. More often than not they seem to be cheap clickbait too and are very choosy on what games bear the brunt of their complaints. Not too much with MGS or Saint's Row or GTA but some obscure NIS game that maybe 10 people will play will get the articles.
The issues go a helluva lot deeper than "oh wow look at the boobs on this game character in obscure game #29383", and if people want that to change it'll require a lot more than Leigh Alexander posting an op-ed or two on a game site. It'll require a big paradigm shift for society. Like, getting more women involved in the computer science field, questioning why is it that lashing out at women/minorities/etc is growing in recent times (boys feeling alienation?), actual journalists with actual credentials and mainstream recognition reporting on it, etc.
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The butthurt anti-SJW redditor type has plenty of avenues for consumer report reporting on video games, so there is really no point, other than egotistical butthurtedness, to complain about writers wanting to write media critique or about culture as it pertains to video games.
Hey buddy without egotistical butthurtedness we wouldn't have anything. Show a little respect.
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Not sure I agree. I think society rarely changes without a bunch of people being consistently (to use the negative words) unreasonable and pushy about things for a long period of time, honestly. And what is mainstream changes over time too (and gets pushed by what starts outside the mainstream). If you've been around long enough I'm sure you've seen examples of this, not just in "social issues" but in technology, design and culture, etc.
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That said I agree that media reporting on this stuff follows a lot of the same crappy patterns (clickbait, narrative bias, going for easy targets etc.) that media reporting on everything else does
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Enthusiast writers should just smile and say nice things about obscure game #29383 and wait for actual journalists with actual credentials and mainstream recognition to do The Real Journalism.
:geoff
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Not sure I agree. I think society rarely changes without a bunch of people being consistently (to use the negative words) unreasonable and pushy about things for a long period of time, honestly. And what is mainstream changes over time too (and gets pushed by what starts outside the mainstream). If you've been around long enough I'm sure you've seen examples of this, not just in "social issues" but in technology, design and culture, etc.
I think when writers try to back out with "I'm just a games writer!" when they get any pushback is unfortunate. The ones who don't are then easy to paint as extremists, when somebody like Patrick Klepek is hardly a social justice warrior.
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I sometimes really lament the existence of the internet. It's given people with really weird, gross worldviews the ability to band together across vast distances and reinforce their weirdness and grossness instead of moderating themselves to interact with society.
I'm not talking about legit stuff like lgbt issues, but rather shit like pamperchu, bronies and your average redditor. Reddit is so fucking awful.
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Hence my Silicon Valley startup boom analogy
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Also, I have to wonder if this (the trend in aggregate, not the motives of individuals) is about economic interests on some level. It's in the interest of Sony, Microsoft, Valve and others to de-ghettoize "core" gaming, and especially the community surrounding it, if they want something like Xbox Live to become as mainstream and universal as Facebook or Twitter. Sure, a lot of the "SJW" discourse isn't obviously relevant to that and has a radical anti-corporate tone, but it's like the CIA subsidizing avant-garde art in the 1950s to prop up the West's cultural position against the Soviets. (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/modern-art-was-cia-weapon-1578808.html)
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ONE DOWN:
http://sessactual.tumblr.com/
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I sometimes really lament the existence of the internet. It's given people with really weird, gross worldviews the ability to band together across vast distances and reinforce their weirdness and grossness instead of moderating themselves to interact with society.
I don't appreciate you talking about shenmue dojo like this.
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sorry-not-sorry for bumping this but it's just amazing how innocent we were way back in 2014. I especially like Esch's post
This reminds me of the diagrams from conspiracy theory websites pointing out jewish people in finance
:putin
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Damn, time flies...
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Esch doesn't even post anymore. If he did, he'd like this post.
RIP in pepperoni.
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https://twitter.com/MarlonVids/status/862697252434964481
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https://twitter.com/MarlonVids/status/862697252434964481
If you sent it to someone from a year ago, they'd be like "I thought dat boi already killed Pepe, oh shit whaddup?"
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dat boi is biding his time, his moment to step onto the stage of history in a leading role is yet to come.
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I think if there is a legitimate criticism to make against this "SJW trend" it's similar to one often made against sports journalists. They like to feel like they're contributing to culture beyond their niche so they often tackle political/social topics that catch their fancy. And it rubs their "fans" the wrong way because they go to those people for their take on games or sporting events or what have you, not to hear why Obama should get a sex change in order to defeat Putin in the Ukraine. And when you tie that into something "wrong" with whatever it is they're a fan of (the Milwaukee Bucks, Call of Duty games, etc.) then it's doubly upsetting.
Wannabe Pundits is how Taranto phrases it because it seems like the writers aspire to be "regular" editorialists instead of "sports" or "media" reporters or what have you.
I think some of Kotaku's garbage falls into that possibly by the nature of who is "hired" to write, but say, Klepek or Sessler opining from time to time and tying it to gaming (which Patrick almost always does that I've seen) isn't even close.
Of course, the real problem is that there's no way to avoid this, they come to your house and force you to read articles on subjects you don't like. Quite frankly, I think that should be frowned upon, and maybe even illegal.
look at this fucking cuck, thank you daddy trump for annihilating this kind of human garbage
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I think if there is a legitimate criticism to make against this "SJW trend" it's similar to one often made against sports journalists. They like to feel like they're contributing to culture beyond their niche so they often tackle political/social topics that catch their fancy. And it rubs their "fans" the wrong way because they go to those people for their take on games or sporting events or what have you, not to hear why Obama should get a sex change in order to defeat Putin in the Ukraine. And when you tie that into something "wrong" with whatever it is they're a fan of (the Milwaukee Bucks, Call of Duty games, etc.) then it's doubly upsetting.
Wannabe Pundits is how Taranto phrases it because it seems like the writers aspire to be "regular" editorialists instead of "sports" or "media" reporters or what have you.
I think some of Kotaku's garbage falls into that possibly by the nature of who is "hired" to write, but say, Klepek or Sessler opining from time to time and tying it to gaming (which Patrick almost always does that I've seen) isn't even close.
Of course, the real problem is that there's no way to avoid this, they come to your house and force you to read articles on subjects you don't like. Quite frankly, I think that should be frowned upon, and maybe even illegal.
look at this fucking cuck, thank you daddy trump for annihilating this kind of human garbage
(http://i.imgur.com/RdPQX0c.gif)