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I don't really want to wade through the I Haven't Gotten Over GAF thread, but I would like some Bore commentary on all this. Woman who consider themselves part of the gaming "community" are being threatened with violence I guess? And MRA's are upset because demographics are shifting within their exclusive clubhouse? Is any of this actually something new?
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Is any of this actually something new?
Nothing about the whole thing was new. Lots of gamers are immature and abuse women, minorities, gay people, etc.
But then lots of society is the same way in general towards those exact same groups.
It's simply an issue of the moment that's galvanized people for a short time until the next thing comes around and they go back to not caring about it.
There is a thread already on here about it somewhere.
http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=42254.0
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Allow me to sum up
(http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130730202315/halo/es/images/6/64/Internet-fight.gif)
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(http://i.imgur.com/5vbK28U.png)
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(http://38.media.tumblr.com/755495d5711192fd2a60d8bb3e865aed/tumblr_nc8x5yOi1m1re1sgdo1_500.jpg)
and this is why this dumb internet fight is a good thing
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Zzzzzzzz
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(http://i.imgur.com/5vbK28U.png)
:rofl
Fuckin' sea lions.
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Don't worry, Congress is on the case
https://twitter.com/congressedits/status/514080679030566912
https://twitter.com/congressedits/status/514117418877087744
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Cultural Marxism in mah vidyas :gddr5
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Wii U will be safe from it.
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gamer's gate is no steam or even gog, that's for sure
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It's not but I can't hate on em, they gave me the Bethesda Collection for $20 when they accidentally applied a discount twice and didn't revoke it like they did for a lot of people who bought after me. (Probably because I grabbed and activated as many of the keys as I could while the site was getting hammered from other people trying to buy.)
And they've had some other good deals, and you get those points back.
:yeshrug
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(http://i.imgur.com/BF2Au2t.jpg)
:rofl
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Not since I attended that Ron Paul rally in a fedora and cargo shorts and got 57 streetpasses on my 3DS have I felt so alive and relevant! :rejoice
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I sincerely hope that dude is only 15 years old.
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(http://i.imgur.com/BF2Au2t.jpg)
:rofl
The beauty of it is that this could've come from either side.
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(http://i.imgur.com/5vbK28U.png)
This is hilarious as fuck.
Sea lions as stand-ins for social justice warriors/anti-social justice warriors.
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(http://i.imgur.com/SQbkiGh.jpg)
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(http://i.imgur.com/BF2Au2t.jpg)
:rofl
"In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony god’s blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence."
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That bear looks like it's butt hurt
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Islamic_Group_of_Algeria ???
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(http://i.imgur.com/TjJb4k4.jpg)
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:dead
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:stahp
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:whoo
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Holy fuck, I tried to read the Wikipedia article on Gamergate because all I really know about it is Feminazis vs. Misogynazis, but my eyes kept glazing over. Can someone TLDR this controversy for me please?
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Let me explain...
No. Is too long. Let me sum up:
A woman who happens to have been a game developer had sex with a "games journalist" and that's worse than a hypothetical Hitler-Stalin progeny sodomizing Mother Teresa while pissing fire on the US Constitution. Or something. The outrage is in no way related to a woman having control of her own sexual agency or whatnot. Also, said woman took a bunch of suicide girls style nudies back in the day, which makes her a dirty sloot-whoor of epic proportions.
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Let me explain...
No. Is too long. Let me sum up:
A woman who happens to have been a game developer had sex with a "games journalist" and that's worse than a hypothetical Hitler-Stalin progeny sodomizing Mother Teresa while pissing fire on the US Constitution. Or something. The outrage is in no way related to a woman having control of her own sexual agency or whatnot. Also, said woman took a bunch of suicide girls style nudies back in the day, which makes her a dirty sloot-whoor of epic proportions.
And somehow also, Phil Fish.
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Let me explain...
No. Is too long. Let me sum up:
A woman who happens to have been a game developer had a boyfriend who wrote a slashfic about her to relieve his epic asspain after being dumped and it somehow rallied the ignorant misogynist masses like a MRA Constitution. Or something. The outrage is in no way related to a woman having control of her own sexual agency or whatnot. Also, said woman took a bunch of suicide girls style nudies back in the day, which makes her a dirty sloot-whoor of epic proportions.
ftfy
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And somehow also Phil fish
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I thought she had sex with multiple game journos and had something to do with a kickstarter game where she took all the money.
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Holy fuck, I tried to read the Wikipedia article on Gamergate because all I really know about it is Feminazis vs. Misogynazis, but my eyes kept glazing over. Can someone TLDR this controversy for me please?
Sure!
Guys who were picked on in school, and could never figure out why the girls they liked would never go for "nice guys" like them have grown older. Now they've made enough money that a good portion of modern media is now focused on them and trying to vie for their consumer dollars by producing media which appeals to their interest in comics-movies, fantasy TV shows, science fiction TV shows, and related video games. It has currently become the dominant paradigm of popular media.
Because this type of media has become "normal," most everyone is enjoying it, which means it's no longer the private club house of picked-on guys who can't get girls. Now open to more serious scrutiny, they've experienced an influx of people who are suddenly questioning why fantasy women have to wear chain mail bikinis, why women superheroes always point their ass at the viewer on comic book covers, and why female gamers are required to play their opposite gender in video games.
TL;DR - A large percentage of geeks fear change, even though having more people interested in their bullshit hobbies would improve their odds of overcoming their #foreveralone status.
Ah, sorry, forgot an important side-note: These "nice guys" who couldn't get girls are now choosing to make their point about how they've been wronged by stalking, hacking, releasing personal address and phone information online, threatening rape, murder, and calling in bomb threats.
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Let the record show that despite being a #foreveralone and usually outwardly polite I have never thought of myself as nice or good
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I thought she had sex with multiple game journos and had something to do with a kickstarter game where she took all the money.
impressively, none of that is true.
she had sex with *a* game journo and a few indie devs. she's never been anywhere near kickstarter, so i'm guessing your conflating her with anita sarkeesian, who stands accused of running a successful kickstarter campaign that she has delivered on to the satisfaction of her backers.
So this was all bs made by 4chan? Interesting. I didnt get confused with Anita Sarkeesians Kickstarter thoguh.
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Holy fuck, I tried to read the Wikipedia article on Gamergate because all I really know about it is Feminazis vs. Misogynazis, but my eyes kept glazing over. Can someone TLDR this controversy for me please?
some girl called zoe quinn created a game called depression quest and then apparently fucked some kotaku editor in order to get coverage of her game, this caused a dumb internet fight where on one hand you have gaming journalist, certain feminism figure and people like chronovore telling how everybody who plays video games is an horrible psychopath, misogynist and manchild and on the other hand you have people who keep saying it's not really about misogyn and think that if they squawk around the internet long enough they'll get rids of site like kotaku and polygon, basicaly this is a nice summary pic that you guys will easily understand
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxE5jpiIgAAM4VV.jpg)
with that said
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i hope the manchild wins :fbm
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magoose when's the last time you went on a date
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magoose when's the last time you went on a date
With your mom last night
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false my mom is older than 12 you would never
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(http://destinysrehab.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/oh-snap2.jpg)
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false my mom is older than 12 you would never
#thisiswhyineedweaboonism
(http://destinysrehab.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/oh-snap2.jpg)
you play way more weeb game than me! you traitor! :'(
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Personally I'm really shocked that people are still talking about this in any real way
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Personally I'm really shocked that people are still talking about this in any real way
the thing is, this whole controversy makes for amazing clickbait, even a site like cracked which is a comedy site who had stuff like "the 5 weirdest animal on earth!" and "top 5 creepiest place on earth!" has now article about how you are an awfull person for even being in the proximity of a videogame
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the world of technology & culture is just changing, I think for the better-ish overall, and some people can't deal :stahp
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You got a whole wide world of oppression going on but you target gamers? :neogaf
That is some bottom-of-the-barrel SJW activism right there.
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I'm not even sure what anyone is mad about. That people involved in the same industry fraternize? That their spergtard standards aren't adhered to even in POLITICAL JOURNALISM, much less games journalism?
...just kidding, they're pissed that a pretty girl is fucking and they're not. DUH.
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who said anything about pretty?
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who said anything about pretty?
I think she's pretty, but then again I have a weakness for suicide girls type. Diff'rent strokes and all that, cat.
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Yeah I never got the suicide girls bit.
But honestly, her looks have nothing to do with it. She could look like a truck and it wouldn't make any difference so long as she was a girl.
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But honestly, her looks have nothing to do with it. She could look like a truck and it wouldn't make any difference so long as she was a girl.
(http://i2.minus.com/ixZh3i55q4AO0.jpg)
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would
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(http://i.imgur.com/TjJb4k4.jpg)
Apparently this is somehow not an intentional parody of GamerGate. (http://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/2hcdj7/crony_capitalism_pyramid/ckri1rd)
Yes, it's a political satire, but also sadly based on the truth of the current Social Justice agenda being pushed by groups like Silverstring Media, DiGRA, Feminist Frequency, Gawker Media such as Kotaku, Vox Media such as Polygon, Adria Richards ala Donglegate, Groups like Freethought blogs and Atheism Plus, Gender Studies via Academia such as Gail Dines anti-pornogray Stop porn culture, Marxist Feminist, WikiMedia, The US goverment with programed like It's On Us and Ban Bossy.
Several years ago Penn and Teller talked about this Social Justice Movement in collages censoring Freedom of speech. Bullshit Season 3, Episode 6 part 1,Part 2
Here is a good rebuttal to the general Myth of Social Justice By Jessica Pacholski
Here F.A. Hayek talks about the economic failures of Social Justice
HereYuri Bezmenov a former KGB oprative talks about how Social justice is used as a psychological warfare subversion tactic to control of western society
Here is Saul Alinsky Rules for Radicals how he talks about how to Radicalize a society to force a fallacious appeal to compromise to force a socialist victory.
Here is a video about how the political left destroyed the art world back in the 1930.
A Conspiracy Within Gaming by Sargon of Akkad
A Philippic Against Social Justice in Gaming by Sargon of Akkad
Sue Gardner of Wikimedia wants to apply a Progressive Stack to Wikipidia
You also need to read about the history of Critical theory from the frankfurt school.
Here is the TL;DR Regarding #GamerGate, but be assured the people pushing for this Marxist feminist critique of games are egalitarian socialist.
If you want to know more check out r/kotakuinaction and r/tumblrinaction and https://8chan.co/gg/ as well as the #GamerGate #NotYourShield on Twitter
Moot for 4chan has even started censoring 4chan (on boards like /v/ and /pol/) and rumors are that the NSA might have had a hand in blackmailing him through the resent leaked celebrity nudes aka "the fappening". However, it is more likely that he is now friends with ant-Capitalist Social Justice advocates.
Edit: a bit better TL;DR
Reddit Mods Shadowbanning anyone who talks about Social Justice Negatively outside of excepted free speech zones.[1],[2]
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Some of the links from that :rofl:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJyU7RSvs_s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXBYXW5qUiA
TL;DR: #GamerGate:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://i.imgur.com/yWoo9a0.png)
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Fuck it all, I think I'll take up woodworking
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Fuck it all, I think I'll take up woodworking
You sure you don't want the strategy guide? http://www.amazon.com/Identifying-Wood-Accurate-Results-Simple/dp/0942391047
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Fuck it all, I think I'll take up woodworking
Sexual preferences don't matter here
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Even the TL;DR version was TL;DR.
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:lol @ Magus feeling like he's being attacked for playing videogames
??? did it came feeling like that in anything i wrote?
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:lol @ Magus feeling like he's being attacked for playing videogames
??? did it came feeling like that in anything i wrote?
tmi
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Why is it that the summaries of this controversy that support the cause of "gamers" find it so easy to completely glaze over the details that dismantle their arguement and make a large majority of that side look like ignorant, overreacting manchildren?
Whatever, this whole event and the media attention it collected just served as the perfect scapegoat to completely detatch myself from the game industry.
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i'm not taking anybody side, i just tought writing the whole thing off as "bunch of manchildren overreact" wasn't the whole story and tried to be as neutral and concise as i could be, all of the details i know basicaly amount to a bunch of people pointing finger at each other and i don't want anything to do with it, all i want to see is for kotaku to burn into the ground even if it took freaking nazi zombie...
...not that zombie would find any brain in people that write article about vagina wallets
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Aren't these kids a bit late to the party with their revelations of questionable journalistic integrity? Pretty sure we figured that out on here a while ago without being a bunch of misogynistic sociopathic assholes. :teehee
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Aren't these kids a bit late to the party with their revelations of questionable journalistic integrity? Pretty sure we figured that out on here a while ago without being a bunch of misogynistic sociopathic assholes. :teehee
STFU, SEA LION
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Opened this thread for the first time today
(http://static1.gamespot.com/uploads/original/113/1135333/2654768-8059740242-a0605.jpg)
who the fuck cares?
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I just don't understand the fucking outrage. Some people had sex within the gaming industry? Congratulations, welcome to literally every fucking industry on the planet
And if the faux-outrage has to do with her possibly sexing for press on her work, I still don't see the big deal. Everyone has motives, everyone looks after themselves. I just don't see the fucking point in all of this, and in fact it just underlines yet again how immature this goddamned industry is.
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Maybe you ever stop to think that video games are supposed to be different? This is an industry about art and emotion, not something as vulgar and meaningless as sex.
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Well, this was posted on 8chan's board for gg:
(Link due to the Big McLargeHuge) http://imgur.com/p2t0i2R
And was created around the time of DMC's reboot saga. It's kinda apt. Sure, there may have been a few people that were "WTF where is his white hair?" But a bunch of people were discussing and discounting the title based on gameplay/Ninja Theory telling fans "FUCK YOU" via character and Twitter slaps.
And then journalists continued to harp on the knee-jerk character reaction because it was the biggest thing (at the time) of the reveal.
It's kinda apt.
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I just don't understand the fucking outrage. Some people had sex within the gaming industry? Congratulations, welcome to literally every fucking industry on the planet
And if the faux-outrage has to do with her possibly sexing for press on her work, I still don't see the big deal. Everyone has motives, everyone looks after themselves. I just don't see the fucking point in all of this, and in fact it just underlines yet again how immature this goddamned industry is.
The beef is having journalists cover your game without citing conflicts of interests, which is par for the course if you're talking about journalistic ethics.
Folks who tried to bring up the incident on Reddit, 4chan, gaming sites, NeoGAF, had their threads locked and deleted, which caused more nerd rage and started the whole Gamergate thing, which is accusing the games press of creating a supposed social justice narrative and colluding in that fact.
Personally, I don't care. I'm just too old and jaded.
However, I do find it targeting a no name indie developer as a almost a moot point. Sure the indie community is incestious, but Gerstmann's firing was more apt at the corruption of the games press.
Additionally, it's also being used to go against all the progressive social issues that have entered gaming media coverage. A certain segment of gamers say they tired of seeing aspects of feminism, check your privilege, and the like infect gaming coverage.
That's it in a nutshell.
I'm more with David Jaffe's sentiment. If you don't care for Kotaku and company, just don't read them. Create your own sites and cover what you want to cover. I'm also uncomfortable using someone's personal relations as a catalyst for this. It comes off really immature.
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I'm more with David Jaffe's sentiment. If you don't care for Kotaku and company, just don't read them. Create your own sites and cover what you want to cover. I'm also uncomfortable using someone's personal relations as a catalyst for this. It comes off really immature.
Typical SJW telling others what to do. #GamerGate is PERMANENT.
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I'm more with David Jaffe's sentiment. If you don't care for Kotaku and company, just don't read them. Create your own sites and cover what you want to cover. I'm also uncomfortable using someone's personal relations as a catalyst for this. It comes off really immature.
Typical SJW telling others what to do. #GamerGate is PERMANENT.
lol.
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Depression Quest isn't even being sold for money. It's completely free.
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Depression Quest isn't even being sold for money. It's completely free.
Still too expensive.
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Gamergate is an army of Remus-es? Sounds about right.
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Depression Quest isn't even being sold for money. It's completely free.
Yeah, that's the part where the logic falls apart. Well, one of the places.
She's making a "serious game," which is a real term meaning games with a goal of improving societal or individual conditions," and giving it away for free.
Whether or not there was infidelity or an inopportune break-up, at its core this is all less cause for concern than any average publisher FLYING GAMES JOURNALISTS to Las Vegas or Seattle or Oahu to cover an Editors' Day event where they can see upcoming games, eat dinner, hit an open bar, and be flown to and from the destination.
Anyway, this whole line of diuretic feces streaming from the buccal cavities of entitled gamers worldwide is making me happy to not be working in dev right now.
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yeah it's a giant picture, Oscar cares not
The short summary is: DmC is announced. DMC fanbase (rightly) gets pissed with the character. Journalists go "Y U MAD THO?" Ninja Theory goes "well, fuck you guys, Capcom is paying us to do this (which is totally within the reasonable logic but not very "PR"/spin. Tamamin was terrible about this)." Anyway, flash forward through the year, the demo comes out. People play it. People dissect it and think the combat system is shit--despite Capcom's help, may I add?--and pick it apart.
Journalists continue to "circle the wagons" on the DMC fanbase and goes "BUT YOU JUST HATE IT FOR THE WHITE HAIR" while completely ignoring that some people have found new things to critic/think is "shit" about DmC.
It's the same with Gamersgate (follow me here): There's some valid/"legit" points in regards to how the "games journalism industry" works and them circling the wagons and "lalalalalalalala can't hear you" about certain issues. I don't think "#gamersgate/#notyourshield" is a totally valid critic. But, I think like "Operation Wallstreet," there is some valid "idea" behind it. I mean:
Additionally, it's also being used to go against all the progressive social issues that have entered gaming media coverage. A certain segment of gamers say they tired of seeing aspects of feminism, check your privilege, and the like infect gaming coverage.
Which is true. Don't get me wrong, there's a feminism problem in regards to gaming and the industry. But harping on "check your privilege..." doesn't make me want to support your cause, you know? I mean it's the same thing as Rock Paper Shotgun asking for money from "supporters" and the supporters going "we don't really want as many 'SJW'-like posts, that's not really in our interests" and some people going "well, fuck you. You're not their audience." How aren't they? They're throwing money at you and reading your site. But they don't want an influx of a certain type of article, how is that a bad thing?
...Well, that's a ramble and a TL;DR would be:
- Games journalists generally "circle the wagons" and completely miss the point of some of the hoopla on certain games/issues. That "internal e-mail ring" thing kinda proves this.
- I don't think a lot of people are against feminism/"SJW"-like elements of gaming coming in. I do think the beating over the head about it is tiring and not really helping "the cause" because it just irritates readers that want to read about a certain titles development.
...
- Which brings up: A major factor on why I stopped reading "gaming news" sites is that a lot of them regurgitate PR. I mean harping on the lack of female devs and "misogyny" in the gaming community/industry is fine and a totally valid point. But if that's the only thing you have in addition to regurgitating PR... maybe it's time for the "game journalism industry" to die, you know?
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Which probably doesn't make sense because I'm rambling and my points are pretty soft. :/ Basically, I'm not really seeing a point of doing "games journalism" because there's really no "journalism" involved in it. And shoving "you want more females in game industry jobs, kay?" down peoples throats isn't exactly helping the "cause" for getting that done.
I think a more "silent" approach to just doing that within the industry and changing the "man-children" in the industry that treat women like shit would be the first step instead of beating a drum about it.
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3+ hours of the digra-darpa-silverstring media feminist conspiracy by some youtube philosophers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNAwHrTowO0
it's as nonsensically awful as you think it is.
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er I was talking about my giant Lunar pic
Oh. :'( See what you made me do, Oscar? Half-asleep half-coherent rant. :maf
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Two groups of assholes (gamers and SJWs) sniping each other? No thanks.
Can't wait for console gaming to reach that last step before death and be forced to change or die. It'll be like when rap had to stop sampling James Brown and other records due to the costs associated. Without an escalation of graphix warz will console gamers even care about games? Meanwhile PC gamers will continue to win.
:rejoice
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Two groups of assholes (gamers and SJWs) sniping each other? No thanks.
Can't wait for console gaming to reach that last step before death and be forced to change or die. It'll be like when rap had to stop sampling James Brown and other records due to the costs associated. Without an escalation of graphix warz will console gamers even care about games? Meanwhile PC gamers will continue to win.
:rejoice
The whole thing is just so self important. When really each group is miniscule and they're both just insufferable.
I wait to see what SquarEnix does with FFXV. If they do put it on PC then it's really over for consoles for me. I'll still play the Nintendo stuff though, but I view them as toys and not consoles.
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I just don't understand the fucking outrage. Some people had sex within the gaming industry? Congratulations, welcome to literally every fucking industry on the planet
And if the faux-outrage has to do with her possibly sexing for press on her work, I still don't see the big deal. Everyone has motives, everyone looks after themselves. I just don't see the fucking point in all of this, and in fact it just underlines yet again how immature this goddamned industry is.
The beef is having journalists cover your game without citing conflicts of interests, which is par for the course if you're talking about journalistic ethics.
Folks who tried to bring up the incident on Reddit, 4chan, gaming sites, NeoGAF, had their threads locked and deleted, which caused more nerd rage and started the whole Gamergate thing, which is accusing the games press of creating a supposed social justice narrative and colluding in that fact.
Personally, I don't care. I'm just too old and jaded.
However, I do find it targeting a no name indie developer as a almost a moot point. Sure the indie community is incestious, but Gerstmann's firing was more apt at the corruption of the games press.
Additionally, it's also being used to go against all the progressive social issues that have entered gaming media coverage. A certain segment of gamers say they tired of seeing aspects of feminism, check your privilege, and the like infect gaming coverage.
That's it in a nutshell.
I'm more with David Jaffe's sentiment. If you don't care for Kotaku and company, just don't read them. Create your own sites and cover what you want to cover. I'm also uncomfortable using someone's personal relations as a catalyst for this. It comes off really immature.
If the part I bolded was true, why are they attacking the developer and not the journalist? I'm not understanding the rationality with that.
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I just don't understand the fucking outrage. Some people had sex within the gaming industry? Congratulations, welcome to literally every fucking industry on the planet
And if the faux-outrage has to do with her possibly sexing for press on her work, I still don't see the big deal. Everyone has motives, everyone looks after themselves. I just don't see the fucking point in all of this, and in fact it just underlines yet again how immature this goddamned industry is.
The beef is having journalists cover your game without citing conflicts of interests, which is par for the course if you're talking about journalistic ethics.
Folks who tried to bring up the incident on Reddit, 4chan, gaming sites, NeoGAF, had their threads locked and deleted, which caused more nerd rage and started the whole Gamergate thing, which is accusing the games press of creating a supposed social justice narrative and colluding in that fact.
Personally, I don't care. I'm just too old and jaded.
However, I do find it targeting a no name indie developer as a almost a moot point. Sure the indie community is incestious, but Gerstmann's firing was more apt at the corruption of the games press.
Additionally, it's also being used to go against all the progressive social issues that have entered gaming media coverage. A certain segment of gamers say they tired of seeing aspects of feminism, check your privilege, and the like infect gaming coverage.
That's it in a nutshell.
I'm more with David Jaffe's sentiment. If you don't care for Kotaku and company, just don't read them. Create your own sites and cover what you want to cover. I'm also uncomfortable using someone's personal relations as a catalyst for this. It comes off really immature.
If the part I bolded was true, why are they attacking the developer and not the journalist? I'm not understanding the rationality with that.
She seduced the innocent journalists with her evil feminine wiles.
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https://medium.com/@upstreamism/to-fair-minded-proponents-of-gamergate-7f3ce77301bb
If you have any more time to spare for this ultimately pointless and cyclical nontroversy, the above is a great criticsm of the gamergate "activists'" approach and how misguided the movement is, not to mention the conflicts of interest that they themselves struggle with.
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https://medium.com/@upstreamism/to-fair-minded-proponents-of-gamergate-7f3ce77301bb
If you have any more time to spare for this ultimately pointless and cyclical nontroversy, the above is a great criticsm of the gamergate "activists'" approach and how misguided the movement is, not to mention the conflicts of interest that they themselves struggle with.
FTFA, best description of the problem of games journalism I’ve seen: As William Randolph Hearst famously said, “News is something somebody doesn’t want printed; all else is advertising.”
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Probably my favourite thing in all of this is seeing GAF rally up in defence of Feminism and then in a thread about bringing a girl home on your first date to play video games is all "NAH BRO YOU GOTTA FUCK HER!"
Dem some false equivalents tho brother
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I found the secret founder of #gamergate:
(http://i.imgur.com/ENFXnFH.jpg)
What did they do that game? The graphics and that font ...
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I found the secret founder of #gamergate:
(http://i.imgur.com/ENFXnFH.jpg)
What did they do that game? The graphics and that font ...
Mobile glaze.
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I just don't understand the fucking outrage. Some people had sex within the gaming industry? Congratulations, welcome to literally every fucking industry on the planet
And if the faux-outrage has to do with her possibly sexing for press on her work, I still don't see the big deal. Everyone has motives, everyone looks after themselves. I just don't see the fucking point in all of this, and in fact it just underlines yet again how immature this goddamned industry is.
The beef is having journalists cover your game without citing conflicts of interests, which is par for the course if you're talking about journalistic ethics.
Folks who tried to bring up the incident on Reddit, 4chan, gaming sites, NeoGAF, had their threads locked and deleted, which caused more nerd rage and started the whole Gamergate thing, which is accusing the games press of creating a supposed social justice narrative and colluding in that fact.
Personally, I don't care. I'm just too old and jaded.
However, I do find it targeting a no name indie developer as a almost a moot point. Sure the indie community is incestious, but Gerstmann's firing was more apt at the corruption of the games press.
Additionally, it's also being used to go against all the progressive social issues that have entered gaming media coverage. A certain segment of gamers say they tired of seeing aspects of feminism, check your privilege, and the like infect gaming coverage.
That's it in a nutshell.
I'm more with David Jaffe's sentiment. If you don't care for Kotaku and company, just don't read them. Create your own sites and cover what you want to cover. I'm also uncomfortable using someone's personal relations as a catalyst for this. It comes off really immature.
If the part I bolded was true, why are they attacking the developer and not the journalist? I'm not understanding the rationality with that.
I'm just explaining their point of view. I don't endorse it personally. I was answering BrandNew's question.
Most are actually organizing boycotts of these sites. The problem is that everyone gets blended together. On the gamer gate side you have those who may be earnest, and are boycotting Kotaku et al who are then grouped with those spewing hate and misogyny. On the other side you have those reacting to it and ignoring any criticism of inherent cronyism that may be evident. It's just a clusterfuck.
And I have no horse in this. It's all silly.
As I said before, gamers who are focusing on journalistic integrity should've organized themselves during Gerstsmanngate. That had bigger ramifications than some free indie game from a no name developer.
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The people who are boycotting are stupid too and are going about it the wrong fucking way. They have daily e-mail campaigns where they'll harass the fuck out of random developers via e-mail in some misguided attempt to stop them from publishing content on Kotaku, etc, under threat of boycotting all their future games. As if 10 idiots not buying their stuff will make them lose more sales than refusing to publish content on the biggest video game news sites. :picard
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For some reason, I really like “shithead figureheads” despite its repetitive suffixes.
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Gamers gonna gate gate gate gate gate.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BIo8GcUza4
:teehee
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Hatsune Miku is #NotYourShield
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BIo8GcUza4
:teehee
wrong thread?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BIo8GcUza4
:teehee
wrong thread?
He probably posted it because of this:
Gamers gonna gate gate gate gate gate.
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So I couldn't sleep last night. I even fucking tried taking a hot bath at 3am, thinking it would help for some stupid reason.
So I ended up reading up on GamersGate and NotYourShield instead. It didn't put me to sleep, but it was more interesting than I expected. I had made a lot of assumptions about it before. (I'll take the L now for finding it interesting.)
I found two somewaht useful articles on it. There's a lot of trash on it, but these two at least somewhat lay out what went on.
http://techcrunch.com/2014/09/25/gamergate-an-issue-with-2-sides/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2014/09/04/gamergate-a-closer-look-at-the-controversy-sweeping-video-games/
I always thought it was a bad look that it started over what Zoe Quinn did, but it seems nobody cares about what Zoe Quinn did at this point but us on-lookers. I still don't get why it is now that the issue of gaming journalism is suddenly worth questioning as its been this bad and this way for a long time. If it wasn't blowjobs for press, it was free games and access to parties thrown just to get good press. The main reason it exploded is the reason it exploded on GAF. People kept deleting the topics and discussion. So GamersGate is as much about the censorship as it is about transparency in the joke of journalism that is gaming press.
The #NotYourShield is a more interesting trend. That line I had no clue what the hell it was. I thought it'd be some angry dude bit about chivalry, but it turns out to be minority gamer backlash against others feeling they can speak for them and use them as a shield against criticism. That is actually something that has legs beyond vidya.
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GamerGate raises some legitimate questions about the state of gaming journalism.
Unfortunately, some assholes can't help themselves from harassing individuals, especially women, and this taints the whole thing. And makes it convenient for SJWs to pretend that it is just about misogyny and ignore the shit journalism.
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...many of which are journalists themselves! Very convenient for them isn't it?
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Pretty sure most of the planet can now recognize that "games journalism” is not actual investigative journalism, and is at best a place for critics, and more commonly just an extension of PR for anyone putting out games.
Conflating the ongoing harassment of Zoe and Sarkeesian with a slow-witted public coming to terms with press coverage of their hobby being the equivalent of Tiger Beat is a grievous error.
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Are you sure you aren't just cherry picking examples to fit that view?
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The rabbit hole on this thing goes far deeper than I expected. I'm ready to bail myself.
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Yeah, it’s disgusting.
The idea that we geeks had been picked on in school and didn’t learn a fucking thing about consideration, justice, temperance... it’s vile. It’s just fucking vile.
The people who are being driven off/choosing to leave are the very people the hobby needed to ever gain a shot at legitimacy.
So, hey, fuck this. I’m not interested in attending this party. 20 years in game development, and I’m retraining as a database developer.
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No, I think I'm looking at the picture pretty clearly, but I could be wrong, of course.
I should stress I don't feel like discussing this, though. This whole shitstorm has been one of the most disheartening things I've ever seen in this hobby, and it's been enough that I've been considering just leaving any/all gaming communities and discussion. I can't say I always had the brightest picture of this hobby, but until now, I'd thought we (game enthusiasts) were mostly fairly decent, if somewhat socially inept people. I don't think that anymore. And I don't want or need that kind of toxicity in my life.
On Twitter you're probably screwed. Can't un-follow friends just because they involve themselves in this. The filter bubble is pretty reliable otherwise. Just play vidya. What little gets through is either easily ignored or some funny/sad one-off not worth following up on. No need to wade through the mud at GAF or elsewhere.
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As for why smaller sites got focused with this: Because they started the name calling. That's a big reason why, but the other reason why is that sites like IGN and Time writers getting wined and dined for press is nothing new. It's no secret. People are pretty open that mainstream gaming press is glam mag level stuff, dorrito gate and all.
It's that indie devs and press are in bed with each other (figuratively and literally) is where there's some surprise and a need for disclosure. That people talking about this were then treated with 1) censure and 2) name calling is where things explode and lead to unfortunate cases like Jenn Franks. People who step in, perhaps a little unbeknowing of the full issue, and get caught in the vitriol flung back and forth.
It then gets into google user groups of press within sites like kotaku, ars technica and AV Club discussing what they should or shouldn't write. That's where the rabbit hole gets too deep for me.
addnedum: Some people are going to be jerks. Some people are going to use this to rally against indie games because.. why? Insecurities. Some writers are going to use this to push agendas (which is where I think the longer part of the story will live) and some will use this to promote themselves. That's kind of the nature of things now. You can organize a protest for peace in Palestine, and you'll get people coming to the protest with signs about tuition fees, legalizing marijuane and Ferguson.
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Don't forget the renewed beating of the war drums regarding Anita Sarkeesian, because that's somehow relevant. That's the connection I still don't get. It's not like wanting to address the role of women in this hobby somehow caused what 'gamergate' is supposedly about, i.e. press impropriety.
And as Oscar said, there are much more egregious cases, fairly recently at that, surrounding the new curation features on Steam and how in-transparent and obviously scummy that can be when famous Youtubers get involved and flat out get paid to promote stuff. No word on that though.
Look at this guy's feed, if you dare:
https://twitter.com/EvilPandaPirate
Raised by 4chan, I guess:
https://twitter.com/EvilPandaPirate/status/517355110700433408
https://twitter.com/EvilPandaPirate/status/517353702999732224
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I dunno, seems weird to look back on it like this, but I can't remember ever having a positive image of other gamers. after decades of shitty internet communities, whiny entitled fanbases, and devs that focus on titty armors, it felt like the non-shitheads were few and far between. hence why I play mah vidja alone, and troll whenever I go online.
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Just the straw that breaks the camel's back I hope. Because as damning as this looks, it's ultimately impossible to tell how representative this is of the wider gaming audience. Cold comfort, but that's all I have.
Now, I'm well on my way to misanthropy, so this is less a hopeful "vocal minority" and more of a resigned "people are shit, it'll average out", but I guess that's not helpful either... Onwards to apathetic hedonism, I guess.
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Out of all the gamers I know in real life, the majority of them are fellow retro gamers more interested in talking about the CIB copy of Alisia Dragoon they found at a garage sale, or the one guy at work who wants to talk to me about the latest western big budget game, then they are about talking about perceived injustice in games journalism and shields and fast food burger chains or whatever the fuck Gamergate is about.
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I'm thankful for my local group of friends who, despite being into the latest games and read up on game stuff, either don't know about GG or don't give a shit enough to give it a moment's notice. Even on my twitter feed it's mostly ever people making fun of how stupid the people behind GG are. I like to think that, as with every online "movement", its just a really vocal minority ruining things for everyone else.
GG's point is still completely incomprehensible to me. Their goal is the most "who gives a shit?" thing I've read in the industry, and all I ever hear them do is harass unrelated parties to get involved in the whole mess / scare people off who might have a dissenting opinion. For a group that "just wants to play their games in peace", they sure do stir up the pot a lot without provocation.
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It's probably best to sift the point from the various trolls and shit heels that exist on both sides. I don't really have a problem with challenging gaming press to get their shit together.
Like Iv'e said, if you want to know what Zoe has to do with Anita, it goes deep down the rabbit hole with related PR firms and feminism workshops as sort of bubble realities. I don't really know what to make of that, but I think some of you are quickly discounting the entire thing because it's easier and you've had shit experiences with gamers. Both sides have been rather ugly and stupid at times.
#NotYourShield is interesting because it could extend beyond games and do more with left-leaning mau-mau practices and various emotional manipulation. If you have warped the concept of empowering victims to speak up into victimhood being a source of power, the only way to combat that is to have the face of the victims you speak for tell you to fuck off.
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Then again, you're probably more apt to believe that shit because you're a MRA fuckstick, so there's that too.
:hans1 :hans1 :hans1 :hans1 :hans1 :hans1 :hans1 :hans1 :hans1 :hans1 :hans1 :hans1
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god there's another hashtag? I barely even understand what the first one is about.
Damn it people. Get it together.
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the #notyourshield people are being used as a shield by the other side, though. i get what they're saying and all, but they're basically being cowed into serving the needs of one group by denying they serve the needs of the other. you want to avoid being a shield, don't stand in front of shitheads of any type.
But it's their choice. If they feel insulted by what's said, then it's their agency that's making the hashtag.
(Yes, hashtags are stupid. Mainly because I doubt people know what the hashtag means. )
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Thinking this is about games journalism :lol
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Thinking about games journalism :lol
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Thinking about games journalism :lol
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Thinking about games journalism :lol
(http://i.imgur.com/5TOrhOc.jpg)
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I follow a couple people on Twitter who ended up being involved in GamerGate. I don't respond (well, I did once. That was dumb) but I tend to read it all.
They appear to have moved the goal posts again. Last night they were just retweeting stuff about "fuck diversity. games are just for fun!"
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Such an unfocused movement honestly, purportedly about journalistic integrity, then fighting the SJWs, then fighting ''censorship''. Then new hashtags. It's just so confusing.
Reminds me of Occupy Wall Street.
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It's pretty focused on the journalism and the clique within the journalism circles. Everything from people actually doing the GG thing is about transparency. It's the backlash from journalists that involved the other parts. Like I have said, if you've been involved in any protest in the past ten or so years, then you know social media has changed protests to a tag along system. The concept isn't anything all that new. The sixties had tag alongs as well, but social media makes that sort of practice the absolute norm. That's also how hashtags work. You say what you think, then you hashtag it to belong to other movements. You organize a protest on the streets for one thing and ten other issues join your protest without you knowing it. Occupy Wall Street and the Arab Uprising joined up despite being on opposite sides of the planet. It's not unique to GG at all.
Protesting is a culture itself. I wouldn't be surprised if the verbage of GG rallying cries aren't that different from some of the verbage and sentimentality of the 'social justice' side years back. People get juiced up to finally speak about what they want to yell about.
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Yes, it's a counterprotest that is co-opting the language of the side that was previously "winning." (And boy would I be a hypocrite and would people give me an L for saying anything negative about others appropriating the language of one group for alternative views.) And it's trying to attach itself to a legitimate ethics question.
The problem is, that the ethics question doesn't exist in "games journalism" for the most part. PC gaming journalism has seemed to be the "ideal" but that's entirely a function of the fact that they have products they can objectively measure, does this graphics card give me more FPSES or not, etc. I suppose this is why the people from those roots are the ones who seem to understand the distinction with the editorial/PR function that 95% of gaming journalism is.
Games journalists were promoting the "SJW" that brought the backlash because it made them feel more important than being outside regurgitators of corporate advertising. And it allowed them to connect to "real" issues like "real journalists" and become more than people who talk about toys. If gaming media/people aren't taken and don't act "seriously", how will I...er my hobby ever be seen as something of value?!?
Zoe Quinn was the nexus of the flashpoint because it brought together the two issues of recent debate that most animate the one issue that gamers seem to spend most of their time thinking about: their social and cultural relevancy.
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Thinking there are two sides to this :lol :'(
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Just think long and hard for a moment and try to imagine anyone outside of a certain subset of sad white guys thinking that GAMERGATE is about anything besides sad white guys being sad white guys. If you can't, good, you're a good person. If you can, you have problems and probably sympathized with Walter White on the hit TV show "Breaking Bad".
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Just think long and hard for a moment and try to imagine anyone outside of a certain subset of sad white guys thinking that GAMERGATE is about anything besides sad white guys being sad white guys. If you can't, good, you're a good person. If you can, you have problems and probably sympathized with Walter White on the hit TV show "Breaking Bad".
Typical gamer, doesn't even think of the females.
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Just think long and hard for a moment and try to imagine anyone outside of a certain subset of sad white guys thinking that GAMERGATE is about anything besides sad white guys being sad white guys. If you can't, good, you're a good person. If you can, you have problems and probably sympathized with Walter White on the hit TV show "Breaking Bad".
Truth.
It's really hurts my head reading through all of it. A lot of cognitive dissonance going on.
You can't say they're discriminating others, because you're discriminating against them! :lol
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It would take me about 2 minutes to find a picture of a magazine editor and a business developer guy who's worked for more than 6 major companies on a scuba diving trip together about 3 years ago, but no, Zoe Quinn pushed it over the edge.
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Game Informer has posted monthly pictures of their editors, former editors now PR and all the various people from a hundred companies partying and doing all sorts of other stuff in the start of their magazine for the last thirteen years. :lol
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I'll keep doing my thing, but only because my thing is on the fringe of all of this. I can understand why Chronovore (and the many, many other devs I've talked to about this situation) are preparing to leave the industry after all this shit.
Just for clarity’s sake, I’ve been half-out of games for the last two years, and though I still like making games, I’m going to have to make them for myself; they’re likely to be small things that no-one ever hears about. I’ve spent 20 years making games, and the motivation was always to make something for players to enjoy. The high points of my career have been people saying, “WOW, you made THAT?! I love that game!”
Letting the #gamergate shit-piles affect me to the point where I give up all of that would be like letting the Westboro Baptist Church scare a lifelong christian off their faith or charity work. Their work, the faith, it’s still valid. I’m just re-scoping my involvement in the industry to be more healthily self-centered rather than relying on a fickle and, for some, toxic crowd. I sure as hell don’t feel like doing anything nice for them.
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It would take me about 2 minutes to find a picture of a magazine editor and a business developer guy who's worked for more than 6 major companies on a scuba diving trip together about 3 years ago, but no, Zoe Quinn pushed it over the edge.
You should probably read something about this if you're going to talk about it.
http://www.nichegamer.net/2014/09/real-gamedevs-sound-off-regarding-the-gamergate-controversy/
Slade Villena – Rogue Star Games:
My story; after an honorable enlistment as a US Marine, I left to chase my computer science degree, with a focus on game engines and development. I rode college on a GI Bill. Naturally, I was part of the “indie” movement that focused on game craft, software, and of course my pet agenda: war games. Most SJWs in Gamasutra didn’t like my writing (I wrote about war psychology, criticizing SJW rhetoric, game engines and software, all the stuff SJWs hate), but due to numerous readers, I usually score a featured post every week.
In 2012, I started getting into more and more heated arguments on Gamasutra channels and comments. During that year, after I scored seed funding on Kickstarter, I received the equivalent of a “shadowban”. Basically, I could no longer access my gamedev blog. 3 years of my writing as a gamedev student, and then some as an indie dev. I later learned through rumors that Christian Nutt and Leigh Alexander took direct control of the blog sections.
I started seeing similar patterns during that year, in full force, targeted at my other gamedev friends; Kotaku, Polygon, RPS, NeoGAF, and ilk. 2012 was the year “proto GamerGate” started, but they targeted smaller gamedevs that they could silence. As of late, they tried doing the same thing to gamers. I’ve only mildly encountered the SJW circles embedded in gamedev. They try to silence you for dissenting opinions.
It’s mostly a war on rhetoric, but they use isolation, shaming, media blockades, threatening future connections as a means of exploiting weaker willed gamedevs. Right now; they threaten indie gamedevs by mildly excluding them from meetups and discussions, boldly by spreading rumors with game festival staff. Please keep in mind; I talk to you under the threat of character assassination, and career sabotage.
All of which DID happen to numerous gamedevs over the past 4 weeks. It’s only apparent now because someone caught it; most of the time, this flies under the radar.
The origin of the NotYourShield bit:
Jason Miller – The originator of #notyourshield:
Nobody cared who I was until I started #notyourshield. I came home last Friday to a comfy couch, my living room PC, to make a quick post about gamedev to my small but amazing followers and hopefully play some Left 4 Dead 2. With no warning or lead in I see a link on Gamasutra. A site I’ve followed since college days declaring “Gamers are Dead.” another article called “The Demise of Gamers”. I felt both articles were written so vitriolically, hatefully, if any person in any industry were to write that about their customers or people they must endure daily that person should leave for the health of the industry and their own mental health going forward.
That’s what I posted. I was immediately hit with a barrage of “why don’t you leave your basement sometime and stop leeching off mommy”. I respond “miss I have a five bedroom home” and perhaps a bit arrogantly “a surround sound and gaming PC set up likely more than your annual income”. I’m grown, I’m an audiophile, games enthusiast and I didn’t care for being spoken to like an angry child.
That’s how it started. For the days that followed chasing down a rabbit hole of hashtags, youtube videos, Adam Baldwin, deleted posts, figuring out who would and wouldn’t talk about all the weirdness that is #gamergate. I’m a mid 20’s African American originally from one of the poorest, most blighted communities in America, someone not only respected but gives back as often as I can lost my identity and became a “white fat, neckbeard dudebro manchild”.
I was the enemy. My history was attacked, I was never raised by a single grandmother and worked for my games with calloused hands, I was “privileged”. I don’t understand my own day-to-day struggles anymore or what I’m offended by, others would speak for me. I was in “deep denial”. “Shhhhh…” they’d actually say. There’s a name for what some of them are implying I was and I won’t say it, but it’s the subject of a famous Malcom X speech along with being defined for modern audiences in Django Unchained, played amazingly by Samuel L Jackson. I’ve even seen one with the gall to use it against the entire gaming community.
I had attempted to reach out to other indie devs and people in the industry with no avail. It’s been either you’re with us, against us, or silence. Twitter is the only place I’ve seen open speech. Now I’m going to take back a part of my history for a moment to tell you a bit about myself. On the block I grew up, to about every young man that came across her path my Grandmother was known as “The Law”. She didn’t care how big you were, how many people you had with you, if you were doing wrong she let you know and stopped you. She did everything she could to raise me as a man everyday of her life, taught me to stand up for people, pick them up, pick myself back up and got me here today so the next time someone wants to throw out misogynist know there was nobody in my life that taught me “patriarchy” only right, wrong and when to stand for what was right. I might have been a nerd but I’ve never been a coward. She was a straight shooter and so am I.
So as I’m looking through all of this I see a woman who made a parody piece on certain gaming personalities who was then harassed, doxxed, threatened to tears. Now that sort of thing lights a fire in me. I know I can’t go and punch every person behind a screen but the one thing I can do is say “not in my name”. If you want to hate, go ahead, insult people, ignore the people you claim to represent but do not claim you do it in the name of “justice”. What followed I’m not really proud of myself I was arguing, fighting, sunk down to their level in a lot of ways. But in some ways I am proud, I was able to throw myself, my work and everything on the table for a human being I had never met. While all the super-progressive people that were supposed to have our “best interests” stood by and laughed.
It wasn’t until one night I saw the other marginalized people fighting too I thought “there should be a hashtag. Something like “#NotYourShield”. I don’t have a huge following or a field of influencers to say “make it so” to around me, just some guys that like mobile games and weird experiments. I didn’t expect it would connect and resonate with others that well, the following, articles or videos it was a casual idea, many turned great.
Then came the allegations, it was either 4chan’s idea or I’m in collusion with 4chan whatever. None of that has a hint of truth. I don’t mind them using the hashtag because looking at Alexa they have more women there than most of the gaming sites and personalities we’re rallied against. They have an active lgbt board and users and each one of them deserves a voice. I’d rather not see sockpuppets because that hurts the rest of us.
Full disclosure: I have gone to 4chan since these events began and at least when I look I don’t see plans for harassment of individuals. Rowdy voices get snuffed out. That might be recent maybe with us joined in. In my opinion calling whats happening harassment is like a criminal calling it harassment when presented with evidence of wrongdoing. All of these different people who don’t know each other and wouldn’t work together 7 days ago, reading their history some of these sites were at each others necks months ago, didn’t band up just to mess up one or two small-name big-ego peoples days and sustain it for a full week. People are jeopardizing careers and livelihoods, taking a side while others are working day and night to call out corruption everything else can sit in the back seat.
We were “weaponized minorities”, at a better time I might intend to make an fps about that but for right now if anything is being weaponized it is the gaming industry and press vs it’s customers. They performed a set of actions that caused harm also caused us to band together, indie devs, youtubers, twitters(…tweeters?) redditors, tumblrs, bloggers and yes even 4channers in a way that might render them all but obsolete. If there’s a war for people to be imperialized the so-called Social Justice Warriors are the ones singing the White Man’s Burden.
We “don’t know what’s best for ourselves” because of course we can only legitimately participate in a movement when it fits their world view. The condescension is amazing. The fact that another indie dev who will not be named tweeted that 4chan screenshot, then removed and blocked me for coming with evidence. It was my doing only proves how far these people will go to spin whatever facts come up and I can’t abide that. I know what’s best for myself, my future and it’s not with you.
I am really truly sorry in my heart for whatever happened online, in games, to you, your friends and loved ones that made you so…hateful. But I and the thousands and thousands of people are #notyourshield to hide behind.
If you think it's stupid then ignore it. I had ignored it completely until I had insomnia. Then I learned about it instead of talking out of my ass like I had been.
Don't feel a need to generalize and dismiss people because of your own deep self-loathing.
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:lol
If the bore was going to have a gamergate defender it would have to be Etiolate, wouldn't it.
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Well, looks like I'm not getting Ishkur's EDM Guide vol 3 any time soon: :gloomy
https://twitter.com/IshkursEMGuide/status/507684325010472962 (https://twitter.com/IshkursEMGuide/status/507684325010472962)
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Slade Villena – Rogue Star Games:
My story; after an honorable enlistment as a US Marine, I left to chase my computer science degree, with a focus on game engines and development. I rode college on a GI Bill. Naturally, I was part of the “indie” movement that focused on game craft, software, and of course my pet agenda: war games. Most SJWs in Gamasutra didn’t like my writing (I wrote about war psychology, criticizing SJW rhetoric, game engines and software, all the stuff SJWs hate), but due to numerous readers, I usually score a featured post every week.
In 2012, I started getting into more and more heated arguments on Gamasutra channels and comments. During that year, after I scored seed funding on Kickstarter, I received the equivalent of a “shadowban”. Basically, I could no longer access my gamedev blog. 3 years of my writing as a gamedev student, and then some as an indie dev. I later learned through rumors that Christian Nutt and Leigh Alexander took direct control of the blog sections.
I started seeing similar patterns during that year, in full force, targeted at my other gamedev friends; Kotaku, Polygon, RPS, NeoGAF, and ilk. 2012 was the year “proto GamerGate” started, but they targeted smaller gamedevs that they could silence. As of late, they tried doing the same thing to gamers. I’ve only mildly encountered the SJW circles embedded in gamedev. They try to silence you for dissenting opinions.
It’s mostly a war on rhetoric, but they use isolation, shaming, media blockades, threatening future connections as a means of exploiting weaker willed gamedevs. Right now; they threaten indie gamedevs by mildly excluding them from meetups and discussions, boldly by spreading rumors with game festival staff. Please keep in mind; I talk to you under the threat of character assassination, and career sabotage.
All of which DID happen to numerous gamedevs over the past 4 weeks. It’s only apparent now because someone caught it; most of the time, this flies under the radar.
And then the professor ran out crying while all the kids in the class carried me off for church service...oops got my stories mixed up.
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Just think long and hard for a moment and try to imagine anyone outside of a certain subset of sad white guys thinking that GAMERGATE is about anything besides sad white guys being sad white guys. If you can't, good, you're a good person. If you can, you have problems and probably sympathized with Walter White on the hit TV show "Breaking Bad".
Hey man, you knockin' on Wally White?! That's not gonna stand!
Even at his most depraved he never thought gaming was a lifestyle.
You take that back!
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https://twitter.com/LuiGar333/status/517603733287337987
Just a heads up @TheRalphRetort! @NeoGAF users are not above using someone's suicide to blame #GamerGate!
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Actually dipped into the GAF thread:
[Gamergate is] about a ton of things, youtube personalities and how they operate is a complicated subject by itself. Offering and accepting brand deals itself isn't corruption as long as the youtube personality makes it clear that they are paid to cover the game. It's corruption when it's blatantly used as a way to tilt coverage to your favor which the PR people at WB certainly are trying to do. WB is making a fool of themselves with how they treated Shadow of Mordor's youtube coverage, but they don't have a track record of doing that and some are willing to forgive it as a one off screwup.
What is happening for Gamergate on the other hand is something that's been boiling over for a long time. People need to understand the trigger for Gamergate isn't Zoe Quinn, it's Depression Quest. And how some think it's offensive hipster trash being pushed by certain people for unknown reasons, I personally don't care about it but it does strike me as not something indie devs should be taking very seriously. So Gamergate really isn't about Misogyny or corruption, it's a fight mainly about what the definition a "game" really is, and whether or not gaming can be taken seriously as an art form.
:lol
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Pretty focused on journalism, huh.
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You can get away from Twitter but you cannot escape #gamergate unless you get away from anywhere there are gamers
Hopefully this blows over by the New Year, I'm fucking done for now
I had a pretty easy time ignoring it until I sought it out due to boredom. L2Parse
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It would take me about 2 minutes to find a picture of a magazine editor and a business developer guy who's worked for more than 6 major companies on a scuba diving trip together about 3 years ago, but no, Zoe Quinn pushed it over the edge.
i think the reason this got pushed over the edge compared to other similiar accident is because of the kneejerk reaction many gaming site had what with all the "gamers are a bunch of neckbeard" article and supposedly censorship on reddit and other sites
You can get away from Twitter but you cannot escape #gamergate unless you get away from anywhere there are gamers
Hopefully this blows over by the New Year, I'm fucking done for now
seeing oscar catching feels :heh
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Hey, etiolate, as long as you're educating yourself, check out http://infowars.com
makes u think
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You're pathetic.
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Hey, etiolate, as long as you're educating yourself, check out http://infowars.com
makes u think
Now not even our superhero t-shirts are safe: http://www.infowars.com/feminists-claim-superhero-t-shirts-are-sexist/
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Someone in this thread is pathetic, but it sure as fuck ain't Treesong
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Someone in this thread is pathetic, but it sure as fuck ain't Treesong
Hey buddy there can be more than one of us who is pathetic!
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Arguing on the internet is pointless. I've done it for years, and it never accomplishes anything.
To me the bias is obvious. I've also had friends link it to me pointing out the same thing. If you can't see if for yourself, then I guess you just can't see it, but I'm not going to try highlighting bits and debating line by line.
It's not about the facts, it's about tone. The article is clearly written to make you dislike gamergate even if you had no knowledge of the event until you read this article. It emphasizes their right-wing connections that most people don't really support/care about. It's about ending the article with a bombastic statement talking about how gamers feel they have a "Divine right" making them sound like insane zealots.
Read the Verge piece, and read the NYT piece, and see the difference in tone of the two articles. They're night and day. And the NYT piece is by no means Pro-Gamergate. Just written by people who understand the difference between an objective striving report and pushing an agenda.
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/intel-pulls-ads-from-site-after-gamergate-boycott/
It's wrong because it's manipulating people. Trying to steer a public opinion not with facts, but with tone.
People have compared this issue to anti-vaccination. When you want to write an article about an anti-vaxxer event, you don't try to demonize them in the article, you present the facts and allow informed readers to make their own opinions. They'll come to the right decision, or they won't, but they probably wouldn't have anyway.
:dead
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https://twitter.com/ramzaruglia/status/517906877921763328
the background :rofl :rofl :rofl
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" journalist by calling, amateur writer "
hmmm....
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Homer Ruglia Beoulve
@ramzaruglia
@FoxAndAHalf It's going to be more amazing if we got this running, they would fear us even in their sleep. No rest for the wicked.
:dead
Mathias Nordvall @MathiasNordvall 2h2 hours ago
An academic's fear is to publish but not be read. Here comes #OperationDiggingDiGRA to read all their work. That's some Good Guy Greg!
even more :dead
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rouq-VdgXdo
DiGRA is the poisoned spring from whence all of this evil flows. It needs further investigation. Everyone should investigate them further.
EXPOSED, THE FACT-CHECKING AND VERIFICATION BEGINS
Sargon of Akkad11 hours ago
We are the fucking GAMERS.
We. Play. To. WIN.
#GamerGate #NotYourShield
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Homer Ruglia Beoulve
@ramzaruglia
@FoxAndAHalf It's going to be more amazing if we got this running, they would fear us even in their sleep. No rest for the wicked.
:dead
Mathias Nordvall @MathiasNordvall 2h2 hours ago
An academic's fear is to publish but not be read. Here comes #OperationDiggingDiGRA to read all their work. That's some Good Guy Greg!
even more :dead
#SignalBoost !
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joe garcia10 hours ago
Not to sound like a weeb but this is why the Japanese gaming industry is superior. :3and fuck these people for taking my hobby and shitting on it for there Marxism agenda
andomviewer8968 hours ago
Does the paper trail go deeper? Was there any form of under-the-table monetary trading going on?
Nicholas Goroff11 hours ago
A festering sub-dermal infection comes to a head, its malignancy shown to the world in the form of a hashtag. Could this be the beginning of the end for modern social justice warriors, after so many decades of various victories throughout various sectors of society?
I'm hopeful. Well fucking done man. You've surpassed me in your investigative journalism.
(I'm still a better writer though...)
frozenbinarystudio10 hours ago
Adrienne Shaw, really, who the fuck do you think you are? You do not represent anyone but yourself and your insane ideals. You do not represent me, and I know for a fact that other trans persons do not wish to be used by you to line your pockets.
Get the fuck away from me, my friends, the people of my community and my hobbies, you fucking parasite. #notyourshield
lolololol
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I love how gamgergate went from "nuh-uh!" to "so what!?" Getroffene Hunde bellen. The irony in the notyourshield tag is also tragically delicious, provided even half those people are real.
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Someone in this thread is pathetic, but it sure as fuck ain't Treesong
Hey buddy there can be more than one of us who is pathetic!
Yeah, we even have a libertarian in this thread
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If you say say Not Your Shield like an angry black woman, it sounds like Nacho Shield, which sounds like something that would be p. cool imo.
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Not even the sharpest of barbed comments can penetrate my Nacho Shield!
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A shield made of tortilla that when it breaks everyone stops fighting and makes nachos :aah
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If you say say Not Your Shield like an angry black woman, it sounds like Nacho Shield, which sounds like something that would be p. cool imo.
"Hello, is this Mr. Molotov? I'm from Yum Brands! R&D and I've come across some information about an invention of yours...I think we can offer a very comfortable compensation package."
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:aah
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The Master Puppeteer behind The #GamerGate Hydra Revealed! (https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/10/in-defense-of-gamers/)
And his name is C A P I T A L I S M
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The Master Puppeteer behind The #GamerGate Hydra Revealed! (https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/10/in-defense-of-gamers/)
And his name is C A P I T A L I S M
Nor is it new that there are excellent feminist critics pointing this out within the games press, like Leigh Alexander
i stopped reading here :heh
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https://twitter.com/ramzaruglia/status/517906877921763328
the background :rofl :rofl :rofl
every time i read some twitter gamergate shit its as if dudes are larping the da vinci code.
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corruption in journalism huh :hitler
What definitely seems to be true is that a moderator of r/KotakuInAction is also a moderator of r/cutefemalecorpses (which I would not recommend visiting). The moderator has since been removed as a moderator of KotakuInActiona because they don't want the bad PR associated with it. It's just incredibly ironic given the topic of Sarkeesian's latest video.
@ ETIOLATE :bolo
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Also http://www.reddit.com/user/ThePhilosophyOfRape or something too I saw.
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i dont think that was proven
also i'm not clicking that shit bruh
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It's pretty tame considering how GAF was losing its shit. Just basically says women actually enjoy rape because why else might they have an orgasm during one or have rape fantasies?!?
And then guy links to pro-rape women's stories or something.
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(http://i.imgur.com/ZvOhzAX.png)
:leon
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That feel when BeatingWomen was already taken, so you had to settle for BeatingWomen2. :noah
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man reddit what a great site huh guys
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you could probably build an fbi profile based on the subreddit rings :kobeyuck
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How do we know they aren't stings where all the members are from different agencies?
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corruption in journalism huh :hitler
What definitely seems to be true is that a moderator of r/KotakuInAction is also a moderator of r/cutefemalecorpses (which I would not recommend visiting). The moderator has since been removed as a moderator of KotakuInActiona because they don't want the bad PR associated with it. It's just incredibly ironic given the topic of Sarkeesian's latest video.
what a coincidence!
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No one could have foreseen, etc etc
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how do we know anita didn't create that account as a false flag op
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I could see it, this whole gamergate thing might be a false flag by females to discredit men and metaphorically force them out of the industry at literally gunpoint.
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how do we know anita didn't create that account as a false flag op
#SIGNALBOOST
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that philosophyofrape reddit has proven to be a fake made by some comedy site
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/reddit-group-teaches-army-of-holy-soldiers-to-rape-harlots-who-need-corrective-discipline/
some gaming journalist lost his shit about it and ended up looking like a dounce
(http://i.imgur.com/4u7dhOb.png)
the rest of it it's true though
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A Gaming Journalist ran with an outrage! story before checking his basic facts?
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:usavich
I tried reading the last page but it's all ???????
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I really really really really really really love the GAMERGATE propaganda that gets retweeted onto my timeline.
https://twitter.com/Max_x_Milia/status/518866992640819201
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girl on my fb is defending gamers gate because she was made fun in school for liking final fantasy and wearing nerd shirts
i'm not advocating a pull up yer bootstraps nerds thing because i was made fun of liking anime and this doesn't affect my adult life at all. When you're a teenager, you tend to have identities. An anime fan/gamer was my identity and I'll say that my friends and I went too hard in the paint. And that's why we were laughed at. Not because we liked anime but because we made an identity out of it. I've had some growing paints and I"m not advocating bullying, but shouldn't adulthood help iron some of the issues out?
I dunno. Am I being hypocritical here? I'm not advocating bullying.
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Hmm, yes, these people are definitely not insane! http://gamergate.rogue-star-industries.com
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girl on my fb is defending gamers gate because she was made fun in school for liking final fantasy and wearing nerd shirts
i'm not advocating a pull up yer bootstraps nerds thing because i was made fun of liking anime and this doesn't affect my adult life at all. When you're a teenager, you tend to have identities. An anime fan/gamer was my identity and I'll say that my friends and I went too hard in the paint. And that's why we were laughed at. Not because we liked anime but because we made an identity out of it. I've had some growing paints and I"m not advocating bullying, but shouldn't adulthood help iron some of the issues out?
I dunno. Am I being hypocritical here? I'm not advocating bullying.
Gaming can be a culture without being the basis of one's entire identity. It's not a binary thing. Really depends on how your friend is viewing it.
The issue here was kotaku and that ilk calling all gamers fat losers who are misogynists and racist in response to some people pointing out questionable relationships with some devs. It was a generalized attack on a group of people's characters, the group defined by one thing. It was basic bigotry (of which there is some in the thread here) that got a louder response than the people doing it expected.
Example: Brony's weird me out. I don't think a toy and cartoon should be the heart of your identity. Saying that, I don't really know if that criticism applies to everyone who watches the show. I wouldn't say a Brony is a loser just because of some awkward photos that I've seen. I could joke about Brony's being horse fuckers, but if I actually start to believe that deep down then it' generalizes, dismisses and robs people of their individual humanity. That's the by-the-numbers way of being a bigot.
And when you do that in response to accusations of ethical impropriety then you just look stupid and guilty.
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Hmm, yes, these people are definitely not insane. http://t.co/Mm7kT2NS8F
"GG veterans” - a few weeks espousing a cause, and they’re comparing themselves to soldiers who’ve fought on a battlefield and survived.
::)
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Well, that's my point, Etiolate. I watch MLP and I don't identify as a...whatever. It's just a cute cartoon for me to watch. I'm sure the same is true for many gamers, but it seems that they [gamersgate apologists] value their gamer identity an incredible amount when they're just glorified toys.
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gamergate apologist? that's a weird way to say it
I think they are being very defensive because of the attacks directed towards games and gamers. However invested they were into the hobby, it's heightened when someone is painting you as an evil person.
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Hmm, yes, these people are definitely not insane. http://t.co/Mm7kT2NS8F
"GG veterans” - a few weeks espousing a cause, and they’re comparing themselves to soldiers who’ve fought on a battlefield and survived.
::)
I hope you're listening to the recommended soundtrack while reading this.
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gamergate apologist? that's a weird way to say it
I think they are being very defensive because of the attacks directed towards games and gamers. However invested they were into the hobby, it's heightened when someone is painting you as an evil person.
Of course they're being defensive because games and gamers are being attacked. I've already said this. And their reasoning is often because they were made fun of when they were kids. Its nonsensical and petty. Oh no, will someone defend the games?! I don't get it.
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Hmm, yes, these people are definitely not insane. http://t.co/Mm7kT2NS8F
"GG veterans” - a few weeks espousing a cause, and they’re comparing themselves to soldiers who’ve fought on a battlefield and survived.
::)
I hope you're listening to the recommended soundtrack while reading this.
As I was unable to complete reading it beyond the first two pages, I am unwilling to seek out their music advice.
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It is sort of reinforcing the stereotypes bullies use. I hadn't actually run into much of people saying that. Maybe they see this as bullying? I don't know.
I'm not emotionally charged about it. It's more interesting to me? Disturbing in parts and relative to other political trends. But I guess I can't diss someone for being emotionally charged about it. It depends on the type of person you are. When someone attacks something I like or am associated with in a dumb way then I just dismiss it. Others take it personally. Hell, the 'feminist' sides is all about taking everything personally. I'd rather people do less of it, but it's not like the entire #GG thing operates super-emotionally. There's a lot of that on both sides though.
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Hmm, yes, these people are definitely not insane. http://t.co/Mm7kT2NS8F
"GG veterans” - a few weeks espousing a cause, and they’re comparing themselves to soldiers who’ve fought on a battlefield and survived.
::)
I hope you're listening to the recommended soundtrack while reading this.
As I was unable to complete reading it beyond the first two pages, I am unwilling to seek out their music advice.
It's a track from Kill la Kill. :heh
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Hmm, yes, these people are definitely not insane! http://gamergate.rogue-star-industries.com
This is amazing.
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Hmm, yes, these people are definitely not insane. http://t.co/Mm7kT2NS8F
"GG veterans” - a few weeks espousing a cause, and they’re comparing themselves to soldiers who’ve fought on a battlefield and survived.
::)
I hope you're listening to the recommended soundtrack while reading this.
As I was unable to complete reading it beyond the first two pages, I am unwilling to seek out their music advice.
It's a track from Kill la Kill. :heh
(http://i.imgur.com/4tUFFc7.png) (http://i.imgur.com/4tUFFc7.png) (http://i.imgur.com/4tUFFc7.png) (http://i.imgur.com/4tUFFc7.png) (http://i.imgur.com/4tUFFc7.png)
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What else can we do better, with tactics?
If you see a Twitlonger post addressing a corporate entity / PR firm / advertising firm, BOOST IT. It costs us NOTHING. Do not respond to any troll posts / bait tagged on the twitlonger.
This makes us DOMINATE TWITTER for as long as we want. Our enemies will now have to fight MULTIPLE fronts, while we put exponential pressure both on emails and on twitter itself.
This EXHAUSTS the trolls, the shills, Literally Red, Literally Blue, and Literally Who.
Today we start invading Castle Vox
Vox has already set the precedent, thanks to Leigh Alexander. By taking over Castle Vox, we knock out Polygon and The Verge at the same time.
STAY TUNED FOR TARGETS, BE HERE 6PM EST USA, we lay SIEGE to Castle Vox.
Why should we take Castle Vox?
Right now, Vox Media has been implicated with numerous skirmishes with GamerGate, all of these should be brought to light to every PR Agency and every advertiser we can find that deals with Gamers.
Mission
Calmly inform @CNN, heck even Wolf Blitzer if you want, of what’s really happening in #GamerGate. Be factual. Be polite. Be not crazy uncle RogueStar. Inform them of anything #GamerGate that you know, and send them FACTS AND CONDENSED INFO.
Your email MUST be a public facing write up. Do NOT include your personal info. If you are willing to come out publicly, be sure you are secure on emails, sites, paypals, etc.
THIRD : You must treat DiGRA website as ENEMY TERRITORY. We have been doxxed before because of IPs getting leaked, and rogue admins helping SJWs. You can safely download the entire DiGRA archive here : https://mega.co.nz/#!oBtSXaiJ!B2HCzRjYcwlhRmk-Nl7yUZ7yW32_u4Skn4gi8MIdTEI
If you have an academic position, tenure, are part of a research group, AND have an interest in contributing NEW PAPERS that go against the current Feminist Inquisition, please contact @RogueStarGamez IMMEDIATELY.
We will read them, every fscking DiGRA paper. Fact checking, fact finding mission.
We will read all the things.
http://www.digra.org/digital-library/ <- There are over 700 articles
in DESPERATE NEED OF PEER REVIEW.
We will give it to them
Load Out
This is a SUPER LONG operation. If you are a COLLEGE STUDENT, request your school/professors/TAs for a way to get COLLEGE CREDIT for reading DiGRA materials.
DIGRA PAPERS ONLINE, DO NOT DOWNLOAD UNLESS YOU HAVE GOOD SECURITY.
http://www.digra.org/wp-content/uploads/digital-library/11340.02077.pdf
http://www.digra.org/wp-content/uploads/digital-library/05087.10012.pdf
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Hmm, yes, these people are definitely not insane! http://gamergate.rogue-star-industries.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUrG3JsWxYs
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CONCLUSION
Designing protagonist characters for computer games is a difficult task, but necessary.
Although it is true that the player controls the character in the final game, game
designers have no reason to give up on the construction of character. Even if the player
is the one who holds the joystick, the game designer still controls the character.
A perceived character will direct a player’s decisions to act. Character interpretation can
be involuntary, even subconscious, but still affect a player’s attitude towards a game.
Therefore, if a game has a protagonist character, designing with its needs in mind
should be a fruitful approach. In this paper, we have pointed out explicit ways of
affecting the perception of characters. The design section exemplifies how character
aspects can be translated into game mechanics.
The needs of the protagonist define the needs of the player and will guide them
towards the goals of the game. We propose the use of a three-dimensional approach of
aspects to build rich and well-founded protagonist characters. By then fine-tuning the
game mechanics accordingly, the game will reflect and support the solid nature of the
character.
Making actions and goals natural for the character doesn’t mean that the solutions will
be trivial or easy to achieve. On the contrary, natural-seeming goals provide a good
background upon which to build intricate and demanding conflicts – the basis for an
enjoyable game.
REFERENCES
1. Aristotle, Poetics, London: Penguin Books, 1996.
2. Berman, R.A. Fade in: The Screenwriting Process, Studio City: Michael Wiese
Productions, 1997.
3. Blache, F.I. and Fielder L., History of Tomb Raider. GameSpot Available:
http://www.gamespot.com/features/tombraider_hist/
4. Caillois, R. Man, Play and Games, Urbana: University of Illinois Press, 2001 (1961)
AGH THEY GOT SOCIAL JUSTICE IN MY ACADEMIA
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Gamergate reminds me a lot of the Smithy Gang from Super Mario RPG
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Dead we are not! NYA!
Back we are! NYA!
Revenge we will get! NYA! NYA!
:ohhh
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It is sort of reinforcing the stereotypes bullies use. I hadn't actually run into much of people saying that. Maybe they see this as bullying? I don't know.
Eh? I think it's calling a spade a spade.
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It is sort of reinforcing the stereotypes bullies use. I hadn't actually run into much of people saying that. Maybe they see this as bullying? I don't know.
Eh? I think it's calling a spade a spade.
In the articles that were posted in response to Zoe Quinn? That shit was hateful and vile.
And don't think you aren't included in that group. As someone who plays games and watches anime, you're another fat loser.
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Their living document thing is 34 fucking pages :o
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The last like 15 pages are links to the 700 DiGRA articles. :lol
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Just think of what those people could do if they put forward this much effort doing something actually worthwhile instead.
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Uh, they are fact-checking and verifying all those papers. What could be more worthwhile?
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It is sort of reinforcing the stereotypes bullies use. I hadn't actually run into much of people saying that. Maybe they see this as bullying? I don't know.
Eh? I think it's calling a spade a spade.
In the articles that were posted in response to Zoe Quinn? That shit was hateful and vile.
And don't think you aren't included in that group. As someone who plays games and watches anime, you're another fat loser.
nobody's saying all gamers are fat losers!
just the ones dumb enough to support #GamerGate
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It is sort of reinforcing the stereotypes bullies use. I hadn't actually run into much of people saying that. Maybe they see this as bullying? I don't know.
Eh? I think it's calling a spade a spade.
In the articles that were posted in response to Zoe Quinn? That shit was hateful and vile.
And don't think you aren't included in that group. As someone who plays games and watches anime, you're another fat loser.
what
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It is sort of reinforcing the stereotypes bullies use. I hadn't actually run into much of people saying that. Maybe they see this as bullying? I don't know.
Eh? I think it's calling a spade a spade.
In the articles that were posted in response to Zoe Quinn? That shit was hateful and vile.
And don't think you aren't included in that group. As someone who plays games and watches anime, you're another fat loser.
nobody's saying all gamers are fat losers!
just the ones dumb enough to support #GamerGate
B-but Leigh Alexander did, and contrary to the wretched scum among the Gamergate folk she DOES speak for all SJWs, etc.
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The funny thing will be when these gamegaters find out about how congress works with donors.
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It is sort of reinforcing the stereotypes bullies use. I hadn't actually run into much of people saying that. Maybe they see this as bullying? I don't know.
Eh? I think it's calling a spade a spade.
In the articles that were posted in response to Zoe Quinn? That shit was hateful and vile.
And don't think you aren't included in that group. As someone who plays games and watches anime, you're another fat loser.
nobody's saying all gamers are fat losers!
just the ones dumb enough to support #GamerGate
B-but Leigh Alexander did, and contrary to the wretched scum among the Gamergate folk she DOES speak for all SJWs, etc.
uh uh
(http://i.imgur.com/FrZcje2.png)
these fat loser are trying to boycott the site that a while ago compared a national tragedy to resident evil, so yeah... i'm going to cheer for them
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magus, thanks for the reminder that I haven't blocked you yet
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magus, thanks for the reminder that I haven't blocked you yet
blocking people is what a SJW would do :hitler
#STOPCENSORSHIP
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Magus, why do you make a big deal of that and then happily stand next to the crusaders who made this: http://gamergate.rogue-star-industries.com/
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1. That was apparently made by a 3rd crazy identity (which is why it's ROGUEstar)
2. That file might feature kill la kill music and a childish overpompous tone but at the end it's just telling people to boycott and i don't see anything bad in that, unless i missed something (it was a tl;dr file) in which case in which case feel free to point it out
3. And this is the big one, i think the the other side is the bigger evil of the 2 and you guys are just having fun behind the neckbeards backs without looking at the whole picture, the fact that nobody seemed to mention point 1 for example indicate this... if i can dare to say it, this thread is really close to look like the neogaf thread in OT
4. Oh and before someone says it, yeah i guess i also like playing devil advocate
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A crazy third party? Is there a list of "officials" or can the Gamergate folk conveniently disown anyone that makes them look bad?
Also, a Devil's Advocate doesn't actually support the positions they defend. Not unless they want to claim to be one for appearances' sake.
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I didn't realize this forum was so clueless about the nature of protests.
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A crazy third party? Is there a list of "officials" or can the Gamergate folk conveniently disown anyone that makes them look bad?
well that's what the other side says, i'm just reporting because i'm trying to be impartial
Also, a Devil's Advocate doesn't actually support the positions they defend. Not unless they want to claim to be one for appearances' sake.
but i don't give a shit about gamergate, the only reason i came here is because you guys continued with this inanity instead of just labeling it as a dumb internet war (which is it) and walk away because you had to laugh at the neckbeards
with that said, the casualities of this whole affair are either nothing or the video game equivalent of fox news going away... i know which one i want
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I didn't realize this forum was so clueless about the nature of protests.
That's ok, fortunately we all collectively realized you weren't worth paying attention to ages ago.
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Well, not if you don't want to learn. :smug
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(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/117031/3783720-lol.gif)
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you've been posting here for years; we've long learned what embarrassing self-delusion looks like
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and I have a 4-month-old daughter so I know all about crying because the world is unfair and you should always get what you want
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you've been posting here for years; we've long learned what embarrassing self-delusion looks like
me?
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I didn't realize this forum was so clueless about the nature of protests.
Too many people shit into this one for it to be diluted away, sorry. It was doomed from the start. Remember Doritogate? People actually took that seriously, on both sides. And there was even a woman involved! I'm sure she got death threats too for threatening a libel case against Rab Florence, someone from the press side starting a conversation about impropriety in the press, but it was taken seriously nonetheless.
The tone now is very different. This one is all about anti-progressive, anti-feminist blowhards thinking people want to take their toys away and they act like it's about press ethics. I don't even know what they want the press side to look like at this point. Reviews and regurgitated PR statements just because people write articles they don't like? Fucking don't read them, won't even have to write to advertisers to pull ads!
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blocking people is what a SJW would do :hitler
#STOPCENSORSHIP
They can turn things over to me and we can bug your abode, turn your SO into an informant (or plant a spy as your SO) and then purge you if you want.
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SocialJustice Wombat
@brofreq
I am sentient wombat from the year 2035. My mission is to prevent the irreversible damage that was brought on by the SJWs. This is my story.
https://twitter.com/brofreq
I truly hope this never ends. :lawd
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Hmm, yes, these people are definitely not insane! http://gamergate.rogue-star-industries.com
i'm glad i'm normal
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People hating on gamers are bigots? :heh
Gamers suck, like metalheads suck, like comic book nerds suck, like weeaboos suck, nerds just suck in general.
Now, if you're a nerd but that only goes as far as enjoying nerdy shit, hell I'll throw in having a few referential t-shirts and posters, you're OK. The moment you decide that's your life when you don't depend on it financially(you make em, review them, or write about them for cash) and not just as a hobby is exactly why you're a fucking loser.
Jesus christ at these people acting like this shit is apartheid. Who the fuck cares if some chick who makes games dissed you? Be an adult and stop taking this shit seriously. There's only one thing you should do in regards to entertainment, play/watch/read/listen to it, maybe enjoy it, then move the fuck on. Anything beyond that is in many ways dumb and a waste of time. Yeah I'm dumb and I waste my time a lot, but it's better to know you're a jackass than act like you're a genius.
but it's not some chick who makes games that dissed people, it's a bunch of gaming blogs that basicaly decided you automaticaly belongs to the second category and coincidentaly right after being accused of pulling shit, it would be like if several sport websites decided to call every soccer fan a violent hooligan, i'd be surprised if nobody took the piss and in that case you wouldn't be either
anyway totalbiscuit, the editor in chief of escapist and the editor in chief of gamefront discuss the whole issue, it's 1 hour long, i didn't watch it all, if you care more about this than "lol neckbeards!" go watch the rest for me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=rmosgPNXmNc
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jesus fucking christ, guys
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People hating on gamers are bigots? :heh
Gamers suck, like metalheads suck, like comic book nerds suck, like weeaboos suck, nerds just suck in general.
Now, if you're a nerd but that only goes as far as enjoying nerdy shit, hell I'll throw in having a few referential t-shirts and posters, you're OK. The moment you decide that's your life when you don't depend on it financially(you make em, review them, or write about them for cash) and not just as a hobby is exactly why you're a fucking loser.
Jesus christ at these people acting like this shit is apartheid. Who the fuck cares if some chick who makes games dissed you? Be an adult and stop taking this shit seriously. There's only one thing you should do in regards to entertainment, play/watch/read/listen to it, maybe enjoy it, then move the fuck on. Anything beyond that is in many ways dumb and a waste of time. Yeah I'm dumb and I waste my time a lot, but it's better to know you're a jackass than act like you're a genius.
this is what i was getting at on the last page without the tone haha
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An hour long?do you know who you can talk a for an hour? Only someone that already agrees with you
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gaming deserves to be ruined.
seriously, we need ONE FULL YEAR with no animu titty elves, killstreak masturbathons, or manboy edgy pandering in general. all female characters must be fully clothed and their scripts must pass the bechdel test. realistic shooting mechanics must be replaced with interactive socratic dialogues on culture, consumerism, humanism, and possibly menstruation.
i'm serious. i need to see underdeveloped manchildren SUFFER in a world where they can find no validation or escape, and where they must give up their only solace to stare down the endless grey limbo of their helpless, inconsequential little lives.
then will i be pleased.
:rejoice :geoff sjw :geoff :rejoice
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Nintendo has offered all of that since 1889 and yet you all reject them instead of embracing the harmony of whimsy.
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yes, but ninthings have accepted and embraced the empty wastelands of their useless existences
ninthings do not beget #gamergate; they beget pants-wetting apoplexy over sheik and zelda being separate characters in smash
spoiler (click to show/hide)
...and frankly, between the two, give me the nintarded :dead :dead :dead
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Blue eyed male characters saving princesses? :comeon
Check your MRA privilege! :bolo
He's a homeless man who crawls around in pipes, eats mushrooms and has extreme weight fluctuations.
And then there's his brother, who gets to jump higher just because he's taller? What kind of stereotype bullshit is that?
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gaming deserves to be ruined.
seriously, we need ONE FULL YEAR with no animu titty elves, killstreak masturbathons, or manboy edgy pandering in general. all female characters must be fully clothed and their scripts must pass the bechdel test. realistic shooting mechanics must be replaced with interactive socratic dialogues on culture, consumerism, humanism, and possibly menstruation.
i'm serious. i need to see underdeveloped manchildren SUFFER in a world where they can find no validation or escape, and where they must give up their only solace to stare down the endless grey limbo of their helpless, inconsequential little lives.
then will i be pleased.
:rejoice :geoff sjw :geoff :rejoice
That would be THE way to revitalize Japanese gaming.
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Princess peach passing the becheld test would be the most exposition in a Mario game. By a factor of like 10
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Magus, I'm not watching that dumb video. And don't think anyone takes your bullshit about this seriously. Your faux outrage over gaming being "ruined" by a few articles is hilarious coming from a dude who pirates every game out there.
what the fuck has pirating game does with this other than you being a rude little dipshit? my "faux outrage" is just trying to explain the situation, but you guys are a bunch of shitlord that have spent like 1000 pages worth of content mocking another forum, so of course you won't accept another explanation other than "gamers will be gamers"
it's funny how a few page ago oscar was all like "i don't need this kind of toxicity in my life" when the most toxic place i know off coincidentaly is this one
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the most toxic place i know off coincidentaly is this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG4hOjJ9tEs
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Princess peach passing the becheld test would be the most exposition in a Mario game. By a factor of like 10
"Peach has got it!"
"Hi, I'm Daisy!"
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Princess peach passing the becheld test would be the most exposition in a Mario game. By a factor of like 10
"Peach has got it!"
"Hi, I'm Daisy!"
Add in a " letsa go!!" And it's all the exposition I need
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SJW Bullies at work again:
(http://i.imgur.com/oSMpMvM.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/0x1legW.jpg)
#NotAllShields
@IG_Enthusiast
they're the ones who brought it here, #gamergate refuses to" lie back and think of england" thanks
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My god the stupidity.
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honestly I think a lot of people in the industry/scene just never liked "gamer culture" to begin with, we just kept it to ourselves for 20 years :goty
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Arguing on twitter (http://i.imgur.com/5NBGCLA.png) :heh
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honestly I think a lot of people in the industry/scene just never liked "gamer culture" to begin with, we just kept it to ourselves for 20 years :goty
Gamer culture has never interested me. I love playing games but I've never seen it as a lifestyle that defines me. And this is coming from a guy who imports crazy ass games from Japan on a regular basis.
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just a reminder that gamergate members are still out there harassing women and sending them very specific death and rape threats, so if you support them you're a fucking asshole
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What if we don't support their movement or stated goals, only their death and rape threats.
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This shit is still undoing my brain every time I happen to read about it, it's like it just can't contain all the fuckery
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate_controversy
:deadpos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gamergate_controversy
:deadpos :deadpos :deadpos :deadpos :deadpos :deadpos :deadpos :deadpos
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2014/10/09/gamergate-is-not-a-hate-group-its-a-consumer-movement/
If that sounds absurd it’s because it is: #GamerGate, like any grassroots movement, has diffuse goals and priorities, but it’s a movement that has gone out of its way to decry harassment and abuse because it recognizes that some people associated with it have been abusive. And from my observations, that abuse goes both ways. According to some #GamerGate is the tech world’s version of ISIS, the resurgent Middle-Eastern militant group responsible for things like killing and beheading innocent people. I’ve spoken with writers who claim to have been blacklisted for showing support for the movement.
I don’t agree with everything I see associated with the tag, and there really are hateful people out there using it, too, but by and large what I see in #GamerGate are a lot of very disgruntled, jaded, and alienated gamers. They’re not alienated because they feel the world is evolving beyond their comfort zone, they feel alienated because the media is outright telling them they need to hurry up and die. This feels particularly disingenuous when this same media appears more interested in being chummy with developers and publishers or pushing a specific social agenda, and less concerned with games and the people who play them.
This is at the heart of #GamerGate. This dissatisfaction and anger about the direction of the video game press. And articles like Sottek’s only add fuel to the fire. This makes it harder for people to engage. Members of the video game press have a hard time engaging on places like Twitter because so many #GamerGate supporters are angry and quick to lash out; #GamerGate supporters are constantly being told they’re horrible, misogynistic, gross nerds who just want to harass women, so they’re perpetually on the defensive.
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So gamers, and now specifically #GamerGate supporters, are “consumer kings” who worship at the false idol of consumerism; but they’re not to blamed for this, according to leftist website Jacobin, because capitalism is the problem. Peter Frase, the author at Jacobin, says he used to think of himself as a gamer. But now…
“The gamer is threatened by women who share his tastes, and calls them “fake geek girls,”" he writes, no matter that the “fake geek girls” article in question was written by a woman.
Frase believes consumerist-driven game culture (as opposed to its more politically subversive origins) has “cultivated an alternative misogyny, based on resentment of other men and a desire to usurp their patriarchal dominance, rather than overturn patriarchy entirely. Hence the geek culture is a breeding ground for Nice Guys who see themselves as persecuted outcasts but are unable to get over their desire to control women.”
I can’t help but think I’m a target here, even though this doesn’t describe me—a life long gamer, fantasy dork, D&D player. This is not the gamer I’ve grown up with either. This is not the gaming circle I associate with. I’m a nice guy and I’ve always been successful in my love life. In fact, just about all the “nerds” I know are either in serious relationships or married at this point. These vile misogynists with their cute kids and friendly spouses.
And I say spouses because I’ve known plenty of women who play a lot of games—both table-top and video games—and who hold a diverse array of political views and opinions. Maybe not as many as my guy friends, but that’s likely more a matter of luck than not. I’ve been to Comic Con. Women are gamers, too.
Have I also encountered the socially awkward nerd who can’t get a date and maybe has some issues with women? Yes. Of course. And I’ve encountered the stereotypical alpha-male dude-bro, too. I could go back to my days as an athlete and dig up all sorts of anecdotal evidence that all jocks are deeply homophobic and sexist. But it wouldn’t make it true. It would make it a stereotype, just like this gamer stereotype, and trucking in stereotypes is deeply, unabashedly lazy.
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Furthermore, Sottek isn’t even being honest. Sottek doesn’t believe that “we are all gamers.” After all, #GamerGate and its supporters are, apparently, no longer wanted, no longer needed, confined to the dustbin of history and good riddance. Leigh Alexander and the bevy of writers who followed in her footsteps made this abundantly clear: Games have evolved (true!) and now include more types of players and games than ever (also true!) so now gamers are irrelevant and need to go away (false!). Somehow, this group of people who has been playing games for all this time are just a nuisance. We should be dragged out of polite society and tossed into the wind.
And yes, I say “we” because I’m a game enthusiast. I know gamers can be jerks. I often set my headset to mute when I play competitive shooters. I wish I could do the same when playing basketball sometimes. I know all kinds of people can be jerks. I’m just really, really sick of hearing that all gamers are awful, that we are sexist and privileged and horrible just because a lot of us played games before it was cool, or watched cheesy science fiction before it was cool, or read fantasy novels before they were cool.
I don’t care that more people like my hobbies—it’s great in many ways, makes my interests more culturally relevant, etc. and allows studios like HBO to produce a Game of Thrones TV show. I don’t care if you’re a casual gamer, a girl gamer, if you like boring walking simulators like Gone Home or violent shooters like Call of Duty. (Sure you should check out my list of games on my Steam Curator page **nudge nudge, wink wink** but I don’t care what you like to play.)
Just don’t come into my hobby and then tell me I’m a horrible person because that stereotype you have about me still exists in your head.
P.S. I want to add, once again, that while I wholeheartedly disagree with the “gamers are over” notion I likewise don’t lump all game journalists into one group or believe they’re all hopelessly corrupt or antagonistic to their readers. There are many hard-working, wonderful, bright gamers out there writing about video games and I think they do great work. I think we can all do better, including myself.
Also...
But I digress. The fact of the matter is, #GamerGate is a diffuse, diverse grassroots movement with lots of different viewpoints. It’s hard to get a grasp on it sometimes, even when you try. There are good and bad sides to it, like any grassroots movement. (I’ve long been a critic of populism, while at the same time doing my best to be a voice for the consumer. I guess I’m just leery of democratic movements in general, but that’s another story for another time.)
I don’t agree with all of #GamerGate’s goals, methods, or accusations, but at its core I see this as the natural outcropping of upset consumers who have long been at odds with the video game media. This was a long time coming, and now here we are. It’s not going away any time soon, either.
Should we be surprised by this? Should we be surprised that gamers, having been scolded as “entitled” and mocked relentlessly for years by people in positions of authority, are now lashing back?
And do you know how you make all of this so much worse? Do you know how you get the worst and loudest voices to rise to the surface? Do you know how you can ensure that the real jerks out there, the tiny few who actually do go out and harass women like Anita Sarkeesian, do you know how to make sure this is the face of #GamerGate rather than actually try to figure out how to make video game journalism better?
You write articles about how awful gamers are and why #GamerGate is just a right-wing hate machine.
You know who else was a diffuse, diverse, grassroots movement that got labeled as a right-wing hate machine...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate_controversy
:deadpos
Sigh.
The talk page is bound to have some solid material though. Ahem.
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http://pastebin.com/rfx1ptfx
not enough :deads in the world
Sigh.
The talk page is bound to have some solid material though. Ahem.
I tried, it's beyond my powers. I have been defeated.
It's also on its 7th archive for length.
Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/GamerGate
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Not reading all that
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(http://i.imgur.com/uMtYBIb.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/w06VNEc.png)
#GamerGate: Adam Baldwin and Milo Yiannopoulos
Non-#GamerGate: Adam Sessler and Tim Schafer
Wonder which side is more reasonable.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://i.imgur.com/00c7SFm.png)
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Never heard of that feller what's he...
On 18 July 2012, Yiannopoulos had a public argument on Twitter with Zoe Margolis, author of Girl with a One-Track Mind. He commented: "We write about how tech is changing the world around us. You write about how many cocks you've sucked this week. Back off." and later added: "Is there a difference between writing about sex for money and having sex for money? Not really. What a grubby, humiliating way to make rent."
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Yeah, Oscar mentioned this Yiannopulos guy a couple pages ago, he's a raging cunt.
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http://www.wired.com/2014/10/trolls-will-always-win/
Harrassment-related. Worth reading.
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http://pastebin.com/rfx1ptfx
"filled with anime avatar hardline Marxists"
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I’ve long been a critic of populism, while at the same time doing my best to be a voice for the consumer. I guess I’m just leery of democratic movements in general, but that’s another story for another time.
:comeon
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http://www.wired.com/2014/10/trolls-will-always-win/
Harrassment-related. Worth reading.
Wait, what?
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http://www.wired.com/2014/10/trolls-will-always-win/
Harrassment-related. Worth reading.
Wait, what?
I don’t understand the question.
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Uh, I meant to quote the weird twitter thing. huh.
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Uh, I meant to quote the weird twitter thing. huh.
Well, now I’m curious about which twitter thing you’re talking about.
I was mainly wondering if anyone was going to come to Auernheimer’s defense, or claim that Kathy’s situation had nothing to do with #gamergate, but then I remembered that I don’t want to engage GG defenders, and I’d rather just fucking club Auernheimer like a baby seal. Smart people who use their powers for evil should be... I dunno, harmed.
Or maybe they just need a hug.
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I wonder what an age-range breakdown of gamergate would look like.
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https://twitter.com/EdStern/status/521046546079809536
All great corruption investigations have ALWAYS ignored the money and power, and focused on women. And indie games. That didn't get reviewed
El Diablo Robotico @Wordbeast 6 hours ago
Free indie games, specifically.
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why are nerds generally terrible people?
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Solitary and low-interaction hobbies attract the socially crippled, who then congregate in sometimes toxic internet communities . Those then occasionally spill over into the rest of the internet.
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why are nerds generally terrible people?
http://www.ejumpcut.org/archive/jc54.2012/SolesKunyoGeedom/
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(http://i.imgur.com/QwDKt8g.jpg)
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yup I am definitely ready for 4chan and reddit to go away
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this seems like a super cool group of people to align yourselves with, excellent life choice etiolate
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this seems like a super cool group of people to align yourselves with, excellent life choice etiolate
I mean, it's not like he's known for excellent life choices. GW anyone?
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Why I Think Giant Bomb Should Denounce #GamerGate?
I guess I never considered myself a member of the silent majority. But I def. have that role when it comes to our site. I'm that person who's been listening to the Jeff (and Ryan) since I was 15. I followed them from Gamespot to The Arrow Pointing Down, to Giant Bomb and back again. I've always been this weird mix of fervid yet quiet supporter.
To be honest, I've only even become a premium member in the last couple years (I blame my struggling Hollywood life). I don't post comments very often and rarely interact on the message boards. But I've always loved and supported Giant Bomb: Whether that's meant buying multiple t-shirts, watching every Quick Look and Breaking Brad, reading everything Patrick puts out, or listening to the podcast over and over again with its every release (yes, I too, still listen to the Ad version even though I'm premium).
I don't know why but Giant Bomb just speaks to me. It's a strange thing to say as a Black Gay man with a penchant for wearing heels. But...it gets me. I was originally introduced to the crew through Ryan. He was my guide through listening to him host The Hot Spot. It drew me in and it kept me coming back. There was something about their authenticity, the ridiculous breath of video game knowledge and how at the same time they never took themselves too seriously that I just connected with. And our community shares that ethos.
I can't think of many video game sites these days that can have pages long discussions about Destiny right beside a Trans member of the community asking for moving advice. Stuff like that reminds me why I always felt Giant Bomb is a special. It's not perfect but it constantly works to be better.
And I've never doubted that fact until...the horrible and vicious harassment that happened in our name earlier this summer. The critique that sprung from Jason and Dan's hiring and the ways in which alot of the gaming establishment has a certain look and perspective was a fair point. It was something I never even second guessed in Giant Bomb's case despite being a double minority myself. We all know how out of control things got and Jeff's letter was a great way to speak to it and give closure.
But that abuse and harassment is still happening and this time it's even worse then before. It seemingly has found endless fuel under the guise of #GamerGate. Let's be clear, GamerGate stopped being about ethics a long ago. It possibly never was. Whether you like it or not it is a hate and harassment campaign against women and other minorities.
These are people, not imaginary beasts, who do not want video games to change, they refuse to hear any sort of criticism and along the way spout homophobic, racist, and women hating garbage at anyone who doesn't agree with them. And while those people use places like 4chan and Reddit as their forts, they also use Gaming Sites. They can't use our site to stoke fires and engineer attacks thanks to Rorie and our fantastic moderators but we are still helping them...by being silent. Silence is a statement. It sounds crazy but not picking a side...is picking a side. And in the case of GamerGate because they are the ones with power and who are being catered to by publishers and corporate companies (See Intel) they can take silence as tacit permission that what they're doing is ok...its not.
This never hit me more then when I found out that the NoPat app I had heard about last year was still alive and well. If you don't know, NoPat is an app extension that censors out Patrick's content. It just recently received a 4 star review. It would have gotten a 5 but apparently Patrick's Alien: Isolation Review snuck through. I couldn't believe that these members of our community thought this was ok. You are allowed to have whatever feelings you want about Patrick, horror, hell even Aliens. But creating something like that even if you're allowed to is wrong.
The kind of mentality that would lead someone to create that is the same mentality that leads to attacking anyone who critiques our site or anyone who has something to say about games in general. In the real world, we treat people with basic decency and just because it's the internet doesn't mean we should exempt ourselves from acting like a human being. When you infringe on someone else's peace of mind, safety and basic right to exist (in real life and virtually), you're no longer one of the good guys.
But that alone wasn't what made me want to write this. It was coming across a sort of post-mortem by Brendon Keogh looking at the weeks that followed the rise of GamerGate and Leigh Alexander's Gamasutra piece, 'Gamers' don't have to be your audience. 'Gamers' are over.' From what's become clear to everyone involved, Gamers, the kind that viciously attack anyone who disagrees with them, harasses women and can't stand any talk of diversity or criticism in video games is most certainly not over. In the appropriately titled, Gamers are undead, Brendon talks about how, as opposed to mainstream sites, many of the "core games journalism" outlets have been silent for fear of angering and alienating what has become part of their status qou. They are afraid to go beyond making a conciliatory argument for both sides instead of stating unequivocally how harmful and exclusive GamerGate is and urging people to distance themselves.
At least that was true until yesterday when Kotaku's Editor-In-Chief, Stephen Totilo, detailed the death threats and doxxing attacks on games developer, Brianna Wu, in his story entitled Another Woman In Gaming Flees Home Following Death Threats. Stephen writes how with this latest attack by #GamerGate shows that it no longer stands for investigating games/games media ethics but has become a banner and a platform for women to be targeted and attacked. But what makes this story noteworthy is that he goes on to state that Kotaku as an outlet condemns the moniker and rejects what it represent.
I think Giant Bomb should follow their example. I want Giant Bomb to continue to grow, become bigger and continuing changing the way we talk about video games. That means being inclusive not exclusive. It's a legacy that brought me to the site so many years ago. One great way for us to continue that legacy is by denouncing a movement that clearly doesn't want the industry, let alone our site do that.
Giant Bomb should make a statement whether in a staff editorial or a feature talking about AND denouncing GamerGate and its continued attacks on women in the video game industry. They should go on to state their support for the same kind of diversity that GamerGate seeks to stifle.
Now, I know what some people are going to say...well Patrick already has. I love me some Patrick. Patrick is my everything but Patrick Klepek is only 1 of the 6 editors that make Giant Bomb great. I think it's unfair for him to have the sole role of being that voice. More importantly, he cannot and should not speak for the entire site. And while, I know both Alex and Brad have stated their opinions and Jeff as well in his awesome speech at PAX...there's still something to be said about Giant Bomb as an outlet we do not support this.
Finally, here's the part where you say that you don't care about that kind of stuff or better yet you don't think it's Giant Bomb's place. To the former, I would say...that's cool. Move on to the next article or video. But I know for me, I would care. I would care immensely and I think it would mean the world to alot of other people especially women who visit or could visit our site. It would also mean something to the people who are being harassed right now. Men and women who are thinking of not even going into video games because they feel like they won't belong or will be attacked for trying to make the industry more inclusive. It's a sign of solidarity that video games and people who love them can be so much more.
To the last point of whether or not you think it's Giant Bomb's place that depends on why you come to this site. Personally, if I just want game releases, news, and development updates, I can go to a 100 other sites. I come to Giant Bomb not just because of the editors and our awesome community but because it breaks the mold, dances to a beat of its own path and is a leader in not just the press but in the way the industry thinks and talks about games. Now is the time for some of that leadership.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s8z5fcWQrA&t=8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s8z5fcWQrA&t=8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s8z5fcWQrA
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guys i can't believe you are still running this stupid shit, why you can't be like this fella here?
(http://i.imgur.com/m9EtHVr.png)
you are more stupid than a polygon writer, let that sink in for a moment...
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this seems like a super cool group of people to align yourselves with, excellent life choice etiolate
I'm more ashamed of thinking some of you were intelligent, decent people when I knew you were disturbed, desperate men.
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Why I Think Giant Bomb Should Denounce #GamerGate?
I guess I never considered myself a member of the silent majority. But I def. have that role when it comes to our site. I'm that person who's been listening to the Jeff (and Ryan) since I was 15. I followed them from Gamespot to The Arrow Pointing Down, to Giant Bomb and back again. I've always been this weird mix of fervid yet quiet supporter.
To be honest, I've only even become a premium member in the last couple years (I blame my struggling Hollywood life). I don't post comments very often and rarely interact on the message boards. But I've always loved and supported Giant Bomb: Whether that's meant buying multiple t-shirts, watching every Quick Look and Breaking Brad, reading everything Patrick puts out, or listening to the podcast over and over again with its every release (yes, I too, still listen to the Ad version even though I'm premium).
I don't know why but Giant Bomb just speaks to me. It's a strange thing to say as a Black Gay man with a penchant for wearing heels. But...it gets me. I was originally introduced to the crew through Ryan. He was my guide through listening to him host The Hot Spot. It drew me in and it kept me coming back. There was something about their authenticity, the ridiculous breath of video game knowledge and how at the same time they never took themselves too seriously that I just connected with. And our community shares that ethos.
I can't think of many video game sites these days that can have pages long discussions about Destiny right beside a Trans member of the community asking for moving advice. Stuff like that reminds me why I always felt Giant Bomb is a special. It's not perfect but it constantly works to be better.
And I've never doubted that fact until...the horrible and vicious harassment that happened in our name earlier this summer. The critique that sprung from Jason and Dan's hiring and the ways in which alot of the gaming establishment has a certain look and perspective was a fair point. It was something I never even second guessed in Giant Bomb's case despite being a double minority myself. We all know how out of control things got and Jeff's letter was a great way to speak to it and give closure.
But that abuse and harassment is still happening and this time it's even worse then before. It seemingly has found endless fuel under the guise of #GamerGate. Let's be clear, GamerGate stopped being about ethics a long ago. It possibly never was. Whether you like it or not it is a hate and harassment campaign against women and other minorities.
These are people, not imaginary beasts, who do not want video games to change, they refuse to hear any sort of criticism and along the way spout homophobic, racist, and women hating garbage at anyone who doesn't agree with them. And while those people use places like 4chan and Reddit as their forts, they also use Gaming Sites. They can't use our site to stoke fires and engineer attacks thanks to Rorie and our fantastic moderators but we are still helping them...by being silent. Silence is a statement. It sounds crazy but not picking a side...is picking a side. And in the case of GamerGate because they are the ones with power and who are being catered to by publishers and corporate companies (See Intel) they can take silence as tacit permission that what they're doing is ok...its not.
This never hit me more then when I found out that the NoPat app I had heard about last year was still alive and well. If you don't know, NoPat is an app extension that censors out Patrick's content. It just recently received a 4 star review. It would have gotten a 5 but apparently Patrick's Alien: Isolation Review snuck through. I couldn't believe that these members of our community thought this was ok. You are allowed to have whatever feelings you want about Patrick, horror, hell even Aliens. But creating something like that even if you're allowed to is wrong.
The kind of mentality that would lead someone to create that is the same mentality that leads to attacking anyone who critiques our site or anyone who has something to say about games in general. In the real world, we treat people with basic decency and just because it's the internet doesn't mean we should exempt ourselves from acting like a human being. When you infringe on someone else's peace of mind, safety and basic right to exist (in real life and virtually), you're no longer one of the good guys.
But that alone wasn't what made me want to write this. It was coming across a sort of post-mortem by Brendon Keogh looking at the weeks that followed the rise of GamerGate and Leigh Alexander's Gamasutra piece, 'Gamers' don't have to be your audience. 'Gamers' are over.' From what's become clear to everyone involved, Gamers, the kind that viciously attack anyone who disagrees with them, harasses women and can't stand any talk of diversity or criticism in video games is most certainly not over. In the appropriately titled, Gamers are undead, Brendon talks about how, as opposed to mainstream sites, many of the "core games journalism" outlets have been silent for fear of angering and alienating what has become part of their status qou. They are afraid to go beyond making a conciliatory argument for both sides instead of stating unequivocally how harmful and exclusive GamerGate is and urging people to distance themselves.
At least that was true until yesterday when Kotaku's Editor-In-Chief, Stephen Totilo, detailed the death threats and doxxing attacks on games developer, Brianna Wu, in his story entitled Another Woman In Gaming Flees Home Following Death Threats. Stephen writes how with this latest attack by #GamerGate shows that it no longer stands for investigating games/games media ethics but has become a banner and a platform for women to be targeted and attacked. But what makes this story noteworthy is that he goes on to state that Kotaku as an outlet condemns the moniker and rejects what it represent.
I think Giant Bomb should follow their example. I want Giant Bomb to continue to grow, become bigger and continuing changing the way we talk about video games. That means being inclusive not exclusive. It's a legacy that brought me to the site so many years ago. One great way for us to continue that legacy is by denouncing a movement that clearly doesn't want the industry, let alone our site do that.
Giant Bomb should make a statement whether in a staff editorial or a feature talking about AND denouncing GamerGate and its continued attacks on women in the video game industry. They should go on to state their support for the same kind of diversity that GamerGate seeks to stifle.
Now, I know what some people are going to say...well Patrick already has. I love me some Patrick. Patrick is my everything but Patrick Klepek is only 1 of the 6 editors that make Giant Bomb great. I think it's unfair for him to have the sole role of being that voice. More importantly, he cannot and should not speak for the entire site. And while, I know both Alex and Brad have stated their opinions and Jeff as well in his awesome speech at PAX...there's still something to be said about Giant Bomb as an outlet we do not support this.
Finally, here's the part where you say that you don't care about that kind of stuff or better yet you don't think it's Giant Bomb's place. To the former, I would say...that's cool. Move on to the next article or video. But I know for me, I would care. I would care immensely and I think it would mean the world to alot of other people especially women who visit or could visit our site. It would also mean something to the people who are being harassed right now. Men and women who are thinking of not even going into video games because they feel like they won't belong or will be attacked for trying to make the industry more inclusive. It's a sign of solidarity that video games and people who love them can be so much more.
To the last point of whether or not you think it's Giant Bomb's place that depends on why you come to this site. Personally, if I just want game releases, news, and development updates, I can go to a 100 other sites. I come to Giant Bomb not just because of the editors and our awesome community but because it breaks the mold, dances to a beat of its own path and is a leader in not just the press but in the way the industry thinks and talks about games. Now is the time for some of that leadership.
the poor writing and grammar errors kinda kills it. also he repeat listens to 3.5 hour podcasts.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s8z5fcWQrA&t=8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s8z5fcWQrA&t=8)
I stand with this guy. Yum
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s8z5fcWQrA&t=8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s8z5fcWQrA&t=8)
I stand with this guy. Yum
"I was asked about this via PSN and....other forms of media."
Read: none other forms of media.
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this seems like a super cool group of people to align yourselves with, excellent life choice etiolate
I'm more ashamed of thinking some of you were intelligent, decent people when I knew you were disturbed, desperate men.
I don't even know what that means. Do you?
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But how can Gamergate stand without the backing of the mighty Giantbomb?!!! Oh noes!!
Honestly I'm amazed that this is still even going on. Ferguson should be so lucky to have this much discussion.
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this seems like a super cool group of people to align yourselves with, excellent life choice etiolate
I'm more ashamed of thinking some of you were intelligent, decent people when I knew you were disturbed, desperate men.
what Drinky and I do in the privacy of our own home has nothing to do with this
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this seems like a super cool group of people to align yourselves with, excellent life choice etiolate
I'm more ashamed of thinking some of you were intelligent, decent people when I knew you were disturbed, desperate men.
I don't even know what that means. Do you?
Yes, and I feel your question reflects a common theme behind why I said it.
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I can't really think of a friend of mine who is less disturbed and desperate than Treesong, and I mean that honestly.
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this seems like a super cool group of people to align yourselves with, excellent life choice etiolate
I'm more ashamed of thinking some of you were intelligent, decent people when I knew you were disturbed, desperate men.
I don't even know what that means. Do you?
Yes, and I feel your question reflects a common theme behind why I said it.
We're not the ones falling for BS MRA arguments, fuckbreath
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#Gamergate Trolls Aren't Ethics Crusaders; They're a Hate Group (http://jezebel.com/gamergate-trolls-arent-ethics-crusaders-theyre-a-hate-1644984010?utm_campaign=socialfow_jezebel_twitter&utm_source=jezebel_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow)
:patel
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http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/oct/13/gamergate-right-wing-no-neutral-stance?CMP=twt_gu
We can acknowledge that not everyone on the bandwagon is a men’s rights activist. But what Gamergaters have in common with MRAs is a desperately selfish desire to sideline the problem of both passive and aggressive sexism in the gaming industry, for which they and we have to accept a measure of responsibility; they want to have a debate where they get to play maligned heroes and innocent victims.
That’s the real reason why they want to spin this as an apolitical consumer movement, rather than a swelling of vicious right-wing sentiment. And there is no neutral stance to take on that – we are either with them or against them.
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ETOILET PLZ EXPLAIN WITHOUT USING distinguished mentally-challenged BUNNY AVATARS
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Holy shit, these dick weeds drove a woman from her home?
:snoop
"a" woman
:goty2
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* female
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Holy shit, these dick weeds drove a woman from her home?
:snoop
oh god where do i begin...
1) jezebel is part from gawker media, which is the same company that owns kotaku, so this is basicaly kotaku talking about a kotaku boycott
2) the woman in question apparently decried being doxxed 6 minutes before being doxxed
(http://i.imgur.com/UEiyfec.jpg)
of course, it could be fake, i don't want to enter this dispute because it's distinguished mentally-challenged and it's just about 2 groups of people with too much time on their hands slinging shit at each other over a bunch of awfull gaming sites
3) oh also weirdly enough she tried starting shit on twitter
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzmoKCWIcAAnQGZ.png:large)
why would you try to start shit with a supposedly "hate group" other than you are fucking stupid is beyond me
considering all this fact, i don't believe this shit and i have no idea why the fuck you guys believe it either
there are people that have said to be abused from the other side too, why don't you guys talk about them for once?
http://reason.com/archives/2014/10/12/gamergate-part-i-sex-lies-and-gender-gam/1
i mean there is no reason to believe them either because after all it's 2 groups flinging shit at each other but it's weird how you guys only care about what one side says
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Yeah magoose, cause no one could have called her or messaged her or whatever before that dude tweeted.
Seriously, you need to rethink everything you've ever thought concerning this. You're putting yourself on the side of the dregs of humanity.
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Jay Wilson got multiple death threats over Diablo 3 when it came out, but Magoose is doubting this.
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The timestamps don't lie, Triumph! The timestamps never lie!
:picard
ehy, i'm not saying that "IT MUST BE TRUE!" but twitter breakdown for the sake of smearing is an easier and more acceptable explanation than angry neckbeards armed with pitchforks against womens... i mean before this, this person was a random nobody, now i know her name
Jay Wilson got multiple death threats over Diablo 3 when it came out, but Magoose is doubting this.
so now i'm supposed to believe that every time someone get a death threat over video games it must be true?
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The timestamps don't lie, Triumph! The timestamps never lie!
:picard
ehy, i'm not saying that "IT MUST BE TRUE!" but twitter breakdown for the sake of smearing is an easier and more acceptable explanation than angry neckbeards armed with pitchforks against womens... i mean before this, this person was a random nobody, now i know her name
Ya, and her address. Congrats.
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Bruh
Her address was posted in 8chan's /gg/ section. Technomancer confirmed it in the thread. That's where the twitter dude pulled the info from.
:beli
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she was reading the /8chan/ thread where they were doxxing her because if an angry Internet mob is threatening you and your family it's good to have as much advance warning as possible
she saw the doxx happen & her info get posted to the thread, then someone threatened her on Twitter
is this really that hard to understand
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The timestamps don't lie, Triumph! The timestamps never lie!
:picard
ehy, i'm not saying that "IT MUST BE TRUE!" but twitter breakdown for the sake of smearing is an easier and more acceptable explanation than angry neckbeards armed with pitchforks against womens... i mean before this, this person was a random nobody, now i know her name
"Occam's Razor suggests she hacked her own account and pretended to doxx herself in order to increase the sales of her next video game, follow the money"
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http://www.theonion.com/articles/seemingly-mentally-ill-internet-commenter-presumab,33570/
WASHINGTON—Though his incoherent, deeply uninformed, and often abusive internet comments seem to suggest he suffers from severe mental illness, web user magus is in all likelihood a normal individual capable of functioning in the outside world, sources reported Wednesday.
Noting that he must at least own a computer, know how to use it, and possess the basic skills required to publish his thoughts on numerous websites and forums, internet users said magus—the username of a person who posts dozens of inane and delusional comments online every day—is presumably a stable member of society.
“Clearly this guy has a working internet connection, so he must have some way of paying the bills, which I guess means he’s holding down a job,” said John Winegar, 34, reading YouTube comments from magus that reportedly contained threats, profanity, and extremely forced sexual innuendos that make no sense to anyone. “If he lived with his parents or in some kind of mental health facility, surely someone would stop him from going online and making so many inexplicable and racially charged statements.”
“I can only assume this is an ordinary, sane individual who has a home, goes shopping, cooks dinner, and pays taxes like anyone else,” he added.
Suggestions that magus could simply be a crazed vagrant using the internet at a public library have largely been dismissed, with Twitter users noting that his needlessly vulgar and aggressive tweets personally attacking “fat fuck” celebrities and other people he has never met often occur as late as 2 a.m.
Sources have also confirmed that magus, whose comments on a recent Slate story headlined “The Hard Truth About Obesity” included “Obesity makes ME hard lol” and “Fuk Obama, take your camels back 2 Africa,” must at least possess the mental faculties necessary to have registered with the news website and have kept track of his username and password for each subsequent login.
Further evidence indicates the seemingly psychotic man probably lives in a house with four walls, a roof, and working utilities, drives a car on the same streets everyone else drives on, and is capable of routinely engaging in measured, straightforward face-to-face conversations with coworkers.
Online hints to his place of residence—found in his criticism of a local Thai restaurant whose food was delivered by a “lazy p.o.s. AZN that needs to learn English” and an Instagram photo of a neighborhood dog he described as “herp derp herp derp herp derp herp derp”—suggest magus apparently lives on a residential street like any other in America and is not currently institutionalized.
As a result, sources added, the man who has claimed on numerous occasions to be the “only 1 who makes any fucking sense, fuck u if ur 2 stupid to take it” presumably interacts freely with dozens of citizens per day without any monitoring whatsoever.
“The scariest thing is knowing that magus isn’t the only one out there,” an anonymous internet user told reporters in an email statement. “There r so many crazy fucking nutsoz in this world that it makes me want to shoot everyone. Those feggits can go die.”
“Fucking feggits,” he added.
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Resort to conspiracy theory when you're faced with the facts that your hobby is occasionally exclusionary and offputting to several groups people, and the people against changing that are a bunch of regressive, potentially violent psychopaths brehs.
(http://i.imgur.com/JgZs64Q.png)
eh, what can i say, my level of misanthropy isn't high enough to believe this stuff is real :lol
Somehow I doubt magoose would eat thai food. It's not made by white people, for one. Magoose seems like a chicken tenders and honey mustard type to me.
i love rice but i don't like spicy food
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I hate rice AND spicey food. :ohhh
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I hate rice AND spicey food. :ohhh
:comeon
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I hate rice AND spicey food. :ohhh
Somehow you've managed to make this topic worse :goty2
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Oh my GOD. This stuff in the past page is SCARY.
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The timestamps don't lie, Triumph! The timestamps never lie!
:picard
Yo dawg, I heard you like timestamps, so we put timestamps on your timestamps so you know exactly what time that stamp was timestamped.
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Oh my GOD. This stuff in the past page is SCARY.
It's not real, himu! I mean, people on the internet are clearly not crazy enough to do this sort of thing!/magoose
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I believe it! Considering what I experienced on reddit, I know it's real!
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etiolate when you die if your grave doesn't say "rest in peace" on it you are automatically drafted into the skeleton war (http://theskeletonwar.tumblr.com/learn)
spoiler (click to show/hide)
replace "SJW" with "skeleton"
(http://i.imgur.com/WZmTgrH.png)
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This may be a good opportunity to talk about that to show what kind of people we're dealing with.
I was arguing about Ferguson in one of the default sub reddits one Sunday evening. As usual, the basket cases had racist and myopic rationale justifying it. The very next morning when I woke up, I checked Reddit out and got a message. This message detailed that the person knew me in real life, has been following me for months on reddit and offline, and all of this because of my gender identity. This person said they knew me, that they knew where I live, that I was a filthy cheeseburger, and that I will be raped. It was sent with a throwaway account. I was on edge an entire week, had to make a new Reddit account. I even bought pepper spray and a knife. I was scared that the threats were true, and I was distrustful of people in real life. I didn't go out of my house except for work for a week. In the end, my friends and I concluded that it was just trolling and some person waging psychological warfare on an innocent person just for kicks.
And I'm not a well known person within the gaming industry, and this was just over Ferguson and having boobs. If you doubt these messages and threats you're a moron and you've never really lived it. Even if they're fake, they're still scary as shit, and Gamersgate is an entire "movement" full of people doing things like this.
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This may be a good opportunity to talk about that to show what kind of people we're dealing with.
I was arguing about Ferguson in one of the default sub reddits one Sunday evening. As usual, the basket cases had racist and myopic rationale justifying it. The very next morning when I woke up, I checked Reddit out and got a message. This message detailed that the person knew me in real life, has been following me for months on reddit and offline, and all of this because of my gender identity. This person said they knew me, that they knew where I live, that I was a filthy cheeseburger, and that I will be raped. It was sent with a throwaway account. I was on edge an entire week, had to make a new Reddit account. I even bought pepper spray and a knife. I was scared that the threats were true, and I was distrustful of people in real life. I didn't go out of my house except for work for a week. In the end, my friends and I concluded that it was just trolling and some person waging psychological warfare on an innocent person just for kicks.
And I'm not a well known person within the gaming industry, and this was just over Ferguson and having boobs. If you doubt these messages and threats you're a moron and you've never really lived it. Even if they're fake, they're still scary as shit, and Gamersgate is an entire "movement" full of people doing things like this.
sorry to hear that.
I wish more outlets would speak out against this harassment. tired of the "both sides" crap.
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Oh my GOD. This stuff in the past page is SCARY.
It's not real, himu! I mean, people on the internet are clearly not crazy enough to do this sort of thing!/magoose
if there is definitive proof that this happened, i won't say anything and admit i'm wrong, but don't tell me you would trust reading anything about gamergate on someone that write shit like this
https://twitter.com/Spacekatgal/status/512690892012924929
this person is plenty of crazy itself, i'd be more willing to see this as an hate movement if for once the target was... you know... a normal person, once again
(http://i.imgur.com/m9EtHVr.png)
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PRESENTED BY INTERNET EXPLORER.
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I'm legit surprised that gamergate is still going on and, from the sounds of it, getting worse...
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I'm legit surprised that gamergate is still going on and, from the sounds of it, getting worse...
it's like a venereal disease, except no sex is involved.
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Magoose :picard
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magus you dumbass nobody deserves to get doxxed and subsequently get sent hate and rape threats (http://i.imgur.com/hyuA0g4.png)
it doesn't matter who they are, what they believe, what they've done (http://i.imgur.com/hyuA0g4.png)
What if they were Hitler?
AHA! CHECKMATE!
#GAMERGATE IS FOR THE CHILDREN
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Holy shit, these dick weeds drove a woman from her home?
:snoop
She couldn't drive herself!
spoiler (click to show/hide)
because women can't drive
#gamergate
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British Newspaper, The Daily Mail, called #GamerGate a hate movement
Keep in mind, the Daily Mail openly supported fascist leader Oswald Mosley and Hitler in World War 2 and in general hates anything that upsets middle England or anything sexual on TV (Despite having the highest concentration of up-skirt paparazzi shots on the internet)
(http://thetory.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Hurrah.jpg)
Get called out by former fascism supporters, Brehs
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Jesus himu I'm sorry you had to go thru that and I'm glad you're alright.
social media sites are gonna have to undergo a major revamp in the coming years. they always claim to be about freedom and openness, but always end up providing cover and anonymity for terrible sociopaths. it has to change.
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This may be a good opportunity to talk about that to show what kind of people we're dealing with.
I was arguing about Ferguson in one of the default sub reddits one Sunday evening. As usual, the basket cases had racist and myopic rationale justifying it. The very next morning when I woke up, I checked Reddit out and got a message. This message detailed that the person knew me in real life, has been following me for months on reddit and offline, and all of this because of my gender identity. This person said they knew me, that they knew where I live, that I was a filthy cheeseburger, and that I will be raped. It was sent with a throwaway account. I was on edge an entire week, had to make a new Reddit account. I even bought pepper spray and a knife. I was scared that the threats were true, and I was distrustful of people in real life. I didn't go out of my house except for work for a week. In the end, my friends and I concluded that it was just trolling and some person waging psychological warfare on an innocent person just for kicks.
And I'm not a well known person within the gaming industry, and this was just over Ferguson and having boobs. If you doubt these messages and threats you're a moron and you've never really lived it. Even if they're fake, they're still scary as shit, and Gamersgate is an entire "movement" full of people doing things like this.
Jesus Christ I fucking hate people sometimes.
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Holy shit, these dick weeds drove a woman from her home?
:snoop
She couldn't drive herself!
spoiler (click to show/hide)
because women can't drive
#gamergate
:rofl :rofl
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Just read your harassment story, Himu... that's some fucked up shit.
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This may be a good opportunity to talk about that to show what kind of people we're dealing with.
I was arguing about Ferguson in one of the default sub reddits one Sunday evening. As usual, the basket cases had racist and myopic rationale justifying it. The very next morning when I woke up, I checked Reddit out and got a message. This message detailed that the person knew me in real life, has been following me for months on reddit and offline, and all of this because of my gender identity. This person said they knew me, that they knew where I live, that I was a filthy cheeseburger, and that I will be raped. It was sent with a throwaway account. I was on edge an entire week, had to make a new Reddit account. I even bought pepper spray and a knife. I was scared that the threats were true, and I was distrustful of people in real life. I didn't go out of my house except for work for a week. In the end, my friends and I concluded that it was just trolling and some person waging psychological warfare on an innocent person just for kicks.
And I'm not a well known person within the gaming industry, and this was just over Ferguson and having boobs. If you doubt these messages and threats you're a moron and you've never really lived it. Even if they're fake, they're still scary as shit, and Gamersgate is an entire "movement" full of people doing things like this.
what the fuck is wrong with people?
I'm sorry Himu.
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magus you dumbass nobody deserves to get doxxed and subsequently get sent hate and rape threats (http://i.imgur.com/hyuA0g4.png)
it doesn't matter who they are, what they believe, what they've done (http://i.imgur.com/hyuA0g4.png)
I'm not saying she deserve it, but if a person that spend so much vitriol hating on a group, start trying shit with it and coincidentaly get threatened soon right after, and the person in question is an activist it's suspicious as fuck
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I'm not saying she deserve it, but
No.
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Magoose, you are fucking distinguished mentally-challenged.
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magus you dumbass nobody deserves to get doxxed and subsequently get sent hate and rape threats (http://i.imgur.com/hyuA0g4.png)
it doesn't matter who they are, what they believe, what they've done (http://i.imgur.com/hyuA0g4.png)
I'm not saying she deserve it, but if a person that spend so much vitriol hating on a group, start trying shit with it and coincidentaly get threatened soon right after, and the person in question is an activist it's suspicious as fuck
:what
No one has to start shit about anything. Just criticize (and rightfully so) someone's sacred hobby or question their misogynistic myopic worldview and suddenly you have people e-stalking you like never before.
Being a woman with opinions is so threatening to people they'll find any avenue to get you to shut up, and that includes threats and doxxing.
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#Gamergate Trolls Aren't Ethics Crusaders; They're a Hate Group (http://jezebel.com/gamergate-trolls-arent-ethics-crusaders-theyre-a-hate-1644984010?utm_campaign=socialfow_jezebel_twitter&utm_source=jezebel_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow)
:patel
This is largely the reason I posted the article about Auermann (sp?) the other day; I think there are a lot of hateful/scared manbabbies out there who honestly believe they’re entitled to some hardcore Truth about what’s going on in games, and “games journalism,” because reasons.
And I think there are some trolls amongst the GG movement who have co-opted it and turned it into this bile-spewing misogynistic hydra, and have got the little nerds chasing their own entitled tails around.
This may be a good opportunity to talk about that to show what kind of people we're dealing with.
I was arguing about Ferguson in one of the default sub reddits one Sunday evening. As usual, the basket cases had racist and myopic rationale justifying it. The very next morning when I woke up, I checked Reddit out and got a message. This message detailed that the person knew me in real life, has been following me for months on reddit and offline, and all of this because of my gender identity. This person said they knew me, that they knew where I live, that I was a filthy cheeseburger, and that I will be raped. It was sent with a throwaway account. I was on edge an entire week, had to make a new Reddit account. I even bought pepper spray and a knife. I was scared that the threats were true, and I was distrustful of people in real life. I didn't go out of my house except for work for a week. In the end, my friends and I concluded that it was just trolling and some person waging psychological warfare on an innocent person just for kicks.
And I'm not a well known person within the gaming industry, and this was just over Ferguson and having boobs. If you doubt these messages and threats you're a moron and you've never really lived it. Even if they're fake, they're still scary as shit, and Gamersgate is an entire "movement" full of people doing things like this.
Good grief, Himu. That’s horrible. As a transsexual it is particularly wise to be especially careful with your safety. I’m sure that you know, but likely many here do not, that the incidence of murderous violence against transsexuals is terrifyingly disproportionate. 1-in-12 trans people are killed, and the number is apparently 1-in-8 for transsexuals of color.
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Magoose, you are fucking distinguished mentally-challenged.
Magus, you might sincerely be the dumbest person I've met on the internet since I posted on gamefaqs in high school. You're winning a decade of dumb award.
:neogaf
why? for believing crazy activist exist? it's not much different than believing crazy neckbeard around the world are so threatened by women that they are going to send rape and death threat to anybody who speak against them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRaAJBKmi5I
if this person doesn't want attention and is truly scared about gamergate as a hate moment, why the fuck is she on tv? there are plenty of "decade of dumb" people believing there is something wrong in this whole accident, i'm going to listen to their side
No one has to start shit about anything. Just criticize (and rightfully so) someone's sacred hobby or question their misogynistic myopic worldview and suddenly you have people e-stalking you like never before.
Being a woman with opinions is so threatening to people they'll find any avenue to get you to shut up, and that includes threats and doxxing.
there are plenty of people that having been voicing their opinion without trouble both pro and against,and some people saying that they got threatened from the against side too which nobody would cover (and of course i wouldn't believe either, if you can't trust group 1 talking shit about group 2 you can't trust the reverse either) yet for some incredibly odd reason, the shit hit the fan only the instant an activist get involved
of course if i point this out it means that...
1) i am dumb
2) i believe in crazy conspiracy theories
3) i think harassing people is ok
go ahead, pick one
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I at first thought that was an original dual analog controller for the PS1.
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Dude I got threatened and doxxed just by posting on a forum, it doesn't take much at all, so no I don't just "believe it", I "endure" it. So honestly, get a fucking clue.
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Dude I got threatened and doxxed just by posting on a forum, it doesn't take much at all, so no I don't just "believe it", I "endure" it. So honestly, get a fucking clue.
Yeah, but I'm not saying you deserved it, but you might have deserved it. These kind of things always have two sides and the truth is always absolutely forever in the middle.
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Hey and maybe you should just shut the fuck up to make the problem go away, because that's totally not why people are getting harrassed in the first place.
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if this person doesn't want attention and is truly scared about gamergate as a hate moment, why the fuck is she on tv? there are plenty of "decade of dumb" people believing there is something wrong in this whole accident, i'm going to listen to their side
Magus, either way, blaming the victim isn’t cool.
People have a right to voice their opinion that there is underrepresentation of their group in games, sexism in games, they can even say they don’t support feminism or affirmative action or whatever, but then saying those who spoke up should expect rape- and death-threats is unreasonable.
For what it’s worth, I have a hard time believing that people who are pro-feminism, pro-diversity, and against the threats of rape and murder are making similarly antisocial and violent threats against their opposite number. If there are any threats, it wouldn’t surprise me if they were false-flag operations run from puppet Twitter and email accounts, just to rile up their own troops.
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Dude I got threatened and doxxed just by posting on a forum, it doesn't take much at all, so no I don't just "believe it", I "endure" it. So honestly, get a fucking clue.
well i'm sorry that this happened to you (and to himuro too) and you have reason to believe this shit is awfull and real... however i don't have any, and what i see are a bunch of forum nerds piling on other forum nerds and taking anything that put the other forum nerds in a negative light as absolute facts and having the time of their life mocking people, and that's pretty lame
Magus, either way, blaming the victim isn’t cool.
i'm not blaming the victim, creepy said i'm dumb for thinking there is a "CRAZY CONSPIRACY THEORY" and i just pointed out why i think there is a reason to believe otherwise (this person has reason for wanting to cast gamergate in a negative light)
For what it’s worth, I have a hard time believing that people who are pro-feminism, pro-diversity, and against the threats of rape and murder are making similarly antisocial and violent threats against their opposite number. If there are any threats, it wouldn’t surprise me if they were false-flag operations run from puppet Twitter and email accounts, just to rile up their own troops.
but this can go both side, which is the whole reason i tought we shouldn't simply touch the matter and just label as a dumb internet fight
did you guys listen to me? nooooooooooooooooooooooope!
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There are people who do stuff like leave nooses randomly or write "slurs" on doors or carve B's into their face or what have you to gain attention and try to ride off the victim status but these stories generally fall apart quickly, and are much much harder to coordinate on a mass scale. So while I wouldn't dispute the notion of individual false flags that are unintentional projection I will say that kittens can be really cute.
And I stand by that. No matter how much of a pariah it makes me.
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I'm not saying that MLK deserved to have his affair secretly recorded by the FBI and then leaked to his wife, but he was an activist so it's very suspicious. He should probably just shut up and stay out of it.
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did you guys listen to me? nooooooooooooooooooooooope!
Magus, we are listening, or we wouldn’t be responding at all.
I’ll say this one time, and then I’m out: THERE IS NO PARITY. There is no way to draw an even line between the two sides. Women are a minority in the industry. They’re culturally oppressed. They are paid less, and work in an environment where their professionalism is discounted constantly. That’s /IN/ the work environment.
Now a small subgroup of nasty-minded gamers is placing an incredible amount of energy into targeting this already underrepresented portion of game developers and game academics, essentially terrorizing the human vectors most likely to bring legitimacy to the medium we all enjoy playing. Because they’re afraid someone is going to take away their chain mail bikini wearing valkyries and upskirt schoolgirls. Because they feel some academic is in danger of emasculating them even more than they’ve already managed to do to themselves.
Every game dev I know isn't into it for the money, they’re into it for the joy they can bring to players. When it’s clear some portion of the audience would like them to commit suicide and rape and murder their children rather than have a rational conversation or be held accountable for their opinions (how many #GG supporters are using /their/ real names?) it is difficult to maintain one’s energy.
Here’s a good article exposing the conservative nature of GG:
http://jonstonechannel2.tumblr.com/post/99246356388/why-bother-with-gamergate
I also want to resist #gamergate’s arrogant attempts to position itself as representative of ordinary consumers who play games - as representative of me. I would like people outside of gaming culture to know that this ugliness is the spittle and spite and self-immolation of a cornered minority, joined by the callous excitement of others who are seduced by the music of revolt and aren’t particularly scrupulous when it comes to picking a side, while others still hitch their own misgivings, prejudices and grudges to an irresistible bandwagon.
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Am I a villain for choosing to ignore this whole thing? Would like to know how I balance on the moral scale
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Bob sides are missing the point of this entire discussion: the federal deficit needs to be cut.
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Actually with magus here, we can see exactly how this Gamergate tard festival has gone so far and so long. Expose a bunch of possible pederast forum posters with no social interaction and a worldview shaped by little but RPGs and watch as they crumble mentally. These people have no tools or interaction for dealing with things like this. They don't read about any of it. They don't know enough women to contextualize any of it. They are functionally incapable of seeing how toxic the culture in their hobby can be. If what you're being informed by is exclusively terrible JRPGs and anime, how can you expect to have any sort of nuance wrt women in entertainment?
The entrenched antifeminist/MRA gamers are different. It's easy to see why they're MRA's; they've been burned from a lifetime of rejection or they fear not having power over women. But there's also this innocuous/childlike Gamergate element that simply doesn't have the ability to parse it.
jesus esch, are you serious there? :lol i just want people to listen to both sides of the story... if you want to go "THE OTHER SIDE IS FULL OF MYSOGINISTIC NECKBEARD,WE CAN SEE ONE RIGHT HERE!" i have no fucking idea what to tell you other than i'm seriously disappointed in you people
Magus, we are listening, or we wouldn’t be responding at all.
I’ll say this one time, and then I’m out: THERE IS NO PARITY. There is no way to draw an even line between the two sides. Women are a minority in the industry. They’re culturally oppressed. They are paid less, and work in an environment where their professionalism is discounted constantly. That’s /IN/ the work environment.
Now a small subgroup of nasty-minded gamers is placing an incredible amount of energy into targeting this already underrepresented portion of game developers and game academics, essentially terrorizing the human vectors most likely to bring legitimacy to the medium we all enjoy playing. Because they’re afraid someone is going to take away their chain mail bikini wearing valkyries and upskirt schoolgirls. Because they feel some academic is in danger of emasculating them even more than they’ve already managed to do to themselves.
Every game dev I know isn't into it for the money, they’re into it for the joy they can bring to players. When it’s clear some portion of the audience would like them to commit suicide and rape and murder their children rather than have a rational conversation or be held accountable for their opinions (how many #GG supporters are using /their/ real names?) it is difficult to maintain one’s energy.
but this is what one side says, the other side says this
http://reason.com/archives/2014/10/12/gamergate-part-i-sex-lies-and-gender-gam/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2014/09/04/gamergate-a-closer-look-at-the-controversy-sweeping-video-games/
I do have personal experience with the gamers' mortal enemies, the so-called "social justice warriors," to know they can be a highly toxic Internet presence. Those who voice their loathing of "the SJWs" are not simply talking about people sympathetic to socially progressive causes but about cultist zealots who enforce the party line with the fervor of Mao's Red Guards, though luckily without the real-life power. In social-media discussions of art and entertainment, the "warriors" can be found sniffing out and attacking such ideological deviations as liking a heterosexual love interest for a character perceived as gay, liking or disliking a character on the wrong side of race-and-gender identity politics, or (I kid you not) using the "ableist" nickname "derpy" for a klutzy pony on the TV cartoon My Little Pony. Let them gain enough influence in an online community, and they will poison it for anyone who wants to talk to other fans of their favorite shows, movies, or books—or games—without relentless hectoring about "privilege" and "oppression."
this is a real problem, it's not as big as problem as someone getting death threat sure, and you guys might make fun of it as just a bunch of nerds going "m-muh bikini armor" but it's a problem i'm more familiar with so of course i'm going to support this side instead
i wouldn't have bothered to come here in the first place, if you guys had the grace to post stuff like the one above and have a normal humane discussion rather than just dogpiling on people
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I'm judging you all so much right now for continuing to add to this farce
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Shut the fuck up, BN.
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ok
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This thing is still going?
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This thing is still going?
Sadly yes, mostly because of dumbshits like Magus.
oh no, don't give me all the credit, it takes two to dance
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Magus, I know lots of people like you on my fb. I don't think you're dumb, I just think you're a bit naive. I'm not holding it against you because I think ultimately, you're a kind hearted person and you don't really mean any harm, and I think such names and attitude should be reserved for fucks like that.
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magoose post a pic of yourself
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magoose post a pic of yourself
http://instagram.com/p/uHAvnOP9Pz/?modal=true
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magoose post a pic of yourself
(http://i.imgur.com/nyx0Ga9.png)
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I just wanna see what a daigo nerd looks like
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a Saudi weeaboo and westaboo all in one? :holeup
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a Saudi weeaboo and westaboo all in one? :holeup
Too many dualities.
(http://i.imgur.com/4T4MOls.gif)
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a Saudi weeaboo and westaboo all in one? :holeup
And very much a whatever the version aboo is when it comes to english shows.
He said in plain words with no irony that "England has superior storytelling and comedy", but he doesn't even like Black Adder or Monty Python. Just crap like Little Britain :yuck
tea-aboo (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tea-aboo)
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Can some one sum this up in 8 bullet points or less?
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Can some one sum this up in 8 bullet points or less?
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Can some one sum this up in exactly 8 bullet points and a footnote?
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Am I a villain for choosing to ignore this whole thing? Would like to know how I balance on the moral scale
You're in a room with me, and knowing me, you're probably in a bad spot morally.
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has any major organization in the industry spoke out about this yet? any magazines, websites, devs, publishers, ANYTHING? because I'm seeing a lot of silence which is strange because I don't even have to try to find opinions on hot topics like framerate comparisons and exclusivity arrangements, but strangely very little on this.
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The media is pretty much ignoring this stuff. I've been happily sailing around in bliss not knowing what the fuck this was about until very recently when the bore and a former person I used to follow made the mistake of thinking I was interested in reading retweeted gameraids nonsense.
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has any major organization in the industry spoke out about this yet? any magazines, websites, devs, publishers, ANYTHING? because I'm seeing a lot of silence which is strange because I don't even have to try to find opinions on hot topics like framerate comparisons and exclusivity arrangements, but strangely very little on this.
Polygon and Kotaku have posted quite a few articles. Giant Bomb's finally starting to speak up. This has hit non-gaming sites like Slate, CNN, and MSNBC, apparently.
I imagine most of the silence is due to fear.
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has any major organization in the industry spoke out about this yet? any magazines, websites, devs, publishers, ANYTHING? because I'm seeing a lot of silence which is strange because I don't even have to try to find opinions on hot topics like framerate comparisons and exclusivity arrangements, but strangely very little on this.
I imagine most of the silence is due to fear.
I guarantee it. Nobody I know (dev OR press) is in favor of this bullshit, but nobody wants to be the next target on the psychopaths' hit list.
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Fear is a part of it, the other part being that this is so monumentally embarrassing and stupid that it delegitimizes a lot of the gaming industry's attempt to sell itself as something other than an ADHD distraction for boys with intact virginities.
Yeah, "psychopathic woman-haters continue 3-month rampage we've been ignoring until now" is a hard lede to sell
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By design, Gamergate is nearly impossible to define. It refers, variously, to a set of incomprehensible Benghazi-type conspiracy theories about game developers and journalists; to a fairly broad group of gamers concerned with corruption in gaming journalism; to a somewhat narrower group of gamers who believe women should be punished for having sex; and, finally, to a small group of gamers conducting organized campaigns of stalking and harassment against women.
This ambiguity is useful, because it turns any discussion of this subject into a debate over semantics. Really, though, Gamergate is exactly what it appears to be: a relatively small and very loud group of video game enthusiasts who claim that their goal is to audit ethics in the gaming-industrial complex and who are instead defined by the campaigns of criminal harassment that some of them have carried out against several women. (Whether the broader Gamergate movement is a willing or inadvertent semi-respectable front here is an interesting but ultimately irrelevant question.) None of this has stopped it from gaining traction: Earlier this month, Gamergaters compelled Intel to pull advertising from a gaming site critical of the movement, and there's no reason to think it will stop there.
In many ways, Gamergate is an almost perfect closed-bottle ecosystem of bad internet tics and shoddy debating tactics. Bringing together the grievances of video game fans, self-appointed specialists in journalism ethics, and dedicated misogynists, it's captured an especially broad phylum of trolls and built the sort of structure you'd expect to see if, say, you'd asked the old Fires of Heaven message boards to swing a Senate seat. It's a fascinating glimpse of the future of grievance politics as they will be carried out by people who grew up online.
What's made it effective, though, is that it's exploited the same basic loophole in the system that generations of social reactionaries have: the press's genuine and deep-seated belief that you gotta hear both sides. Even when not presupposing that all truth lies at a fixed point exactly equidistant between two competing positions, the American press works under the assumption that anyone more respectable than, say, an avowed neo-Nazi is operating in something like good faith. And this is why a loosely organized, lightly noticed collection of gamers, operating from a playbook that was showing its age during Ronald Reagan's rise to power, have been able to set the terms of debate in a $100 billion industry, even as they send women like Brianna Wu into hiding and show every sign that they intend to keep doing so until all their demands are met.
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It would be easier if the media started just dropping the "ethics concerns" and just calling it exactly what it is, a bunch of sad MRA apologists harassing women. It's like the media telling us the KKK is also a neighborhood watch organization. No rational person believes it, and if they do they're part of the problem.
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It would be easier if the media started just dropping the "ethics concerns" and just calling it exactly what it is, a bunch of sad MRA apologists harassing women. It's like the media telling us the KKK is also a neighborhood watch organization. No rational person believes it, and if they do they're part of the problem.
(http://images1.dailykos.com/i/user/1054/AdoptAHighwayKlan.jpg)
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:fbm
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:goty
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http://www.standard.net/Police/2014/10/14/Utah-State-University-student-threatens-act-of-terror-if-feminist.html
@magoos :hitler
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In case you're unclear on the "Montreal Style" it's referring to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89cole_Polytechnique_massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89cole_Polytechnique_massacre)
But keep pretending Gamergate is a rational response to "corruption" in games journalism.
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http://www.standard.net/Police/2014/10/14/Utah-State-University-student-threatens-act-of-terror-if-feminist.html
@magoos :hitler
I love that Anita makes videos about how video games as media use violence in women in order to make more money. Then the screenshot that all the news outlets/youtube use about her videos has a hot blonde in lingerie shot in the head.
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It would be easier if the media started just dropping the "ethics concerns" and just calling it exactly what it is, a bunch of sad MRA apologists harassing women. It's like the media telling us the KKK is also a neighborhood watch organization. No rational person believes it, and if they do they're part of the problem.
(http://images1.dailykos.com/i/user/1054/AdoptAHighwayKlan.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/zstvN7e.png)
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http://www.standard.net/Police/2014/10/14/Utah-State-University-student-threatens-act-of-terror-if-feminist.html
@magoos :hitler
i'm starting to see the comparison with hitler someone made earlier considering this person has on her own words survived more or less the same attempt on her life :hitler
...has anybody been incriminated so far for threatening this person? because this person seems to get threatened every 3 month, yet no consequence happen everytime
In case you're unclear on the "Montreal Style" it's referring to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89cole_Polytechnique_massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89cole_Polytechnique_massacre)
But keep pretending Gamergate is a rational response to "corruption" in games journalism.
well another association has dropped ads from gamasutra, sounds like a boycott working to me...
http://misleddit.com/p/2j8ddn/
also, more tv talk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNKvF5jOXUk#t=639
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The school and the police confirmed there was a terrorist threat against Anita Sarkeesian at Utah State University, and yet Magoose still doesn't believe it. Is he that stupid? Is anyone that stupid?
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"If she keeps getting death threats, why is she still alive?" :smug - Magus logic
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Imagine if we lived in a world where doing a bunch of softball feminists web videos about videogames would lead to the police investigating a possible terrorist attack. Oh wait.
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"Sarkeesian? She some kind of Muslim radical? Death to America type?"
"Oh no Sir, she talked about tropes in Super Mario Brothers on a web video"
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The school and the police confirmed there was a terrorist threat against Anita Sarkeesian at Utah State University, and yet Magoose still doesn't believe it. Is he that stupid? Is anyone that stupid?
Obviously the school and police are part of feminist conspiracy duh!
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The school and the police confirmed there was a terrorist threat against Anita Sarkeesian at Utah State University, and yet Magoose still doesn't believe it. Is he that stupid? Is anyone that stupid?
Obviously the school and police are part of feminist conspiracy duh!
(http://i.imgur.com/TjJb4k4.jpg)
AND SCHOOLS RELY ON FAFSA LOANS THE CIRCLE IS COMPLETE
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/897267/troll-2-oh-my-gooood-o.gif)
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I just wanna see what a daigo nerd looks like
I've posted pics in the Post Your Pic thread before :P
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Two years ago, she announced that she was starting a fundraising campaign on Kickstarter to create a video series to look at the sexist and demeaning ways women are portrayed in video games. Soon after she announced the campaign, a cyber-mob descended. She faced graphic rape threats and other forms of violence. A game popped up online called "beat up Anita Sarkeesian", the "game" is to beat up and bloody her face. You push any key and you see her face get more purple and beaten up.
It wasn't just to scare her, the cyber-mob tried to shut down her fundraising campaign. Kickstarter received hundreds of complaints that her effort was a fraud — it wasn't. Her YouTube channel and her Facebook and Twitter accounts all received abuse reports that what she was doing was terrorism and hate speech and spam. And her website was hit with denial of service attacks over the course of many months. They're still ongoing. That is silencing her in a way that has everything that has to do with her career.
But I don't know, guys, maybe we should give the other side a chance to explain their point of view, as well.
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Two years ago, she announced that she was starting a fundraising campaign on Kickstarter to create a video series to look at the sexist and demeaning ways women are portrayed in video games. Soon after she announced the campaign, a cyber-mob descended. She faced graphic rape threats and other forms of violence. A game popped up online called "beat up Anita Sarkeesian", the "game" is to beat up and bloody her face. You push any key and you see her face get more purple and beaten up.
It wasn't just to scare her, the cyber-mob tried to shut down her fundraising campaign. Kickstarter received hundreds of complaints that her effort was a fraud — it wasn't. Her YouTube channel and her Facebook and Twitter accounts all received abuse reports that what she was doing was terrorism and hate speech and spam. And her website was hit with denial of service attacks over the course of many months. They're still ongoing. That is silencing her in a way that has everything that has to do with her career.
But I don't know, guys, maybe we should give the other side a chance to explain their point of view, as well.
We have already seen their response: spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/zombies.gif)
Anyhow, Magus, you live nearer the Vatican, Rome, the birthplace of La Cosa Nostra, and Machiavelli than anyone else here, so I won't fault you for seeing conspiracies. I've said my piece, you've maintained that there are two sides to this argument. To continue the historical theme, I'd argue that the two sides are something akin to The Crusades: a bad idea with dishonestly professed goals, which will end up damaging everyone in the long run.
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https://twitter.com/JamesWallis/status/522164526792577024
:sabu
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The school and the police confirmed there was a terrorist threat against Anita Sarkeesian at Utah State University, and yet Magoose still doesn't believe it. Is he that stupid? Is anyone that stupid?
Obviously the school and police are part of feminist conspiracy duh!
False Flag operation. :hans
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magus.
you dumb.
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By magus logic I'm every pissed off poster at myself on OA/gaf reddit.
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The one thing I don't understand about the anti-gamer crowd is why they automatically assume every single hardcore gamer is a teen-to-twentysomething white male. Know plenty of hardcore who are anything but this stereotype, from a milf friends-with-benefits who played tons of MMOs to my former RA, a Dominican who grew up in 80's Harlem and spent his formative years playing the NES since his parents didn't want him going outside since it was too dangerous, plenty of black kids in college who would challenge me to Soul Calibur matches (more black weeaboos than white ones in my Japanese classes! And yes they were all hardcore gamer, anime people), etc.
And another thing I don't get is the whole 'anime avatar' being associated with the conservative, MRA portion of #gamergate. I'd have honestly thought someone into niche, foreign interests would be more open-minded and liberal.
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It's cuz they want their women obedient and one dimensional, like their waifus. It's like the creepy white dude Asian girl lust. Just because they're into "foreign culture" doesn't make them people of the world.
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I'd be genuinely surprised if the bulk of gamergaters were not white straight males between the ages of 13 and 35.
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TPM picked up the Sarkeesian story
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/horrific-and-also-guns
To get a feel for the sort of character we're talking about, the anonymous emailer - purportedly a student at the University - said “feminists have ruined my life and I will have my revenge, for my sake and the sake of all the others they've wronged."
There's part of the fine print to this story that I also want to call your attention to. University officials, in consultation with law enforcement, had apparently decided that it was safe to proceed with the event. But Sarkeesian, not unreasonably, asked for extra security, including pat downs at the gate and metal detectors.
If I'm reading Sarkeesian's tweets correctly, University officials seem to perhaps agree to this (not clear on this point). But whatever searches they did, if they found people coming into the event with firearms they would not disarm them "as long as attendees [had] a valid concealed firearm permit in accordance with Utah law."
In other words, the extra security precautions would not include preventing people with firearms to come in to watch the speech.
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Gamers are the fucking worst, man. I've always said this after doing a couple years of video game retail in my early 20's.
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holy shit at the mass shooting threat
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Gamers are the fucking worst, man. I've always said this after doing a couple years of video game retail in my early 20's.
Your disparagement of my beloved hobby has left me no recourse but to stand up for gaming the only way that makes sense to me. Magoose, which broad are we harassing now?
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Gamers are the fucking worst, man. I've always said this after doing a couple years of video game retail in my early 20's.
Women in it have been saying it for a long ass time. Now the kind of abuse we routinely put up with is getting even more attention and visibility. Obviously Anita, Wu, et all are getting more than the typical vocal woman but really it's all the same shit.
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#stopgamergate2014 is a trending thing now, seems people may have had enough of this finally.
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holy shit at the mass shooting threat
Yeah, after UC Santa Barbara, even as a "joke," I hope they find the prankster and beat some actual humor into him.
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#stopgamergate2014 is a trending thing now, seems people may have had enough of this finally.
The false flag attack worked! Those tricksy vixens!!!
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turns out they have a secret board on 8chan called /war/
just below a compilation of every address zoe has ever lived at is
http://i.imgur.com/7bprLoo.jpg
edit: https://archive.today/KsLvR in case it gets taken down.
@ MAGOOS :hitler
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So I was just posting shit in this thread before without reading. I just read the last 2 - 3 pages of Magoose posts and I'm left
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:what
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Listed those herself.
Can't trust these hoes.
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#stopgamergate2014 is a trending thing now, seems people may have had enough of this finally.
These always seem so fucking random to me, HipHopBooks? what :lol
(http://i.imgur.com/WNyuZH9.png)
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There's less shit-heelery towards women in the world of competitive magic the gathering play.
Let that sink in for a moment. CARDBOARD FLOPPERS are less awful than video game enthusiasts. Good jon, guys!
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Yeah. :(
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Oscar is gone because of this?
Bah.
He takes yearly breaks around this time of year. He'll be back in Jan prolly.
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why are we dragging the year into this ???
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why are we dragging the year into this ???
Blame the Jews for killing Jesus two thousand and fourteen years ago
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why are we dragging the year into this ???
That ain't the year. It's how many days it'll take for people to stop talking about this dumb stuff
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has any major organization in the industry spoke out about this yet? any magazines, websites, devs, publishers, ANYTHING? because I'm seeing a lot of silence which is strange because I don't even have to try to find opinions on hot topics like framerate comparisons and exclusivity arrangements, but strangely very little on this.
It got an article on the biggest "serious" german news site.
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"If she keeps getting death threats, why is she still alive?" :smug - Magus logic
so you think it's normal someone can get death threats and harassement mail for so long (because this shit has been going since that tropes against vs women video, mind you) and nobody get to pay shit for it? is the harasser a ghost? is that why they can't find him? is this harassement worth enough a :neogaf emoticon but not worth enough to have real world persecution? please tell me, what's the alternative? this person is an avatar of social and internet drama, and i'm not going to ignore this because it questions her being a victim, her history of vitriol is so long it goes before she even talked about videogames
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v04IdNPuMlc#t=181
Listed those herself.
Can't trust these hoes.
some of that info is indeed public,the instruction on how to find it are even in that archived thread just to prove it, :lol
http://who.is/whois/beesgo.biz
this person has already an history of stuff like this happening to her and being called upon it
(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/813/759/1e4.png)
and that thing is old as fuck and was only discovered now... right after anita got a murder threat... right after another activist got threatened too, after a whole month of nothing happening... gamergate is the first hate movement that seems to work in spurts
(http://i.minus.com/iwFdedzONDDUa.png)
:dead
(http://i.imgur.com/dPLpXcg.jpg)
:heart
#stopgamergate2014 is a trending thing now, seems people may have had enough of this finally.
The false flag attack worked! Those tricksy vixens!!!
(http://i.imgur.com/3Bl9dT1.png)
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Gentlemen, in my defense I submit the following:
"The v was capitalized"
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Gentlemen, in my defense I submit the following:
"The v was capitalized"
In addition, the phone numbers included in the Tumblr dox post were found to have no connection with Zoe. The number listed as “Dad’s Work” is no longer functional and was associated with a closed down motorcycle store called, “Twin-Tech Motorcycle Shop.” The number that was listed as “zoe’s Cellphone” connected to a text to land line phone located in Hawaii.
HE'S CRAZY, CRAZY I SAY
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Oh sorry.
And also some phone numbers were wrong. So to sum up wrong phone numbers and capital v. Obviously a conspiracy is afoot!
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You know way too much about the details of this stuff, magoose.
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Oh sweet, an AmazingAthiest video. Lol.
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this person is an avatar of social and internet drama, and i'm not going to ignore this because it questions her being a victim, her history of vitriol is so long it goes before she even talked about videogames
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v04IdNPuMlc#t=181
just to add a little bit to Esch's theory on Magus, notice how he cites Youtube videos to bolster his argument. The mentality is just as provincial as someone writing an essay and sourcing the information to the guy who fills the donut cases at 7/11 or Uncle Clem. Challenge him to read a book on sociology or psychology and he'll share some clip of an angry yt 20-something discussing how feminazi's were responsible for the Gutenberg press.
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And nobody is going to watch that video to determine whether it actually is relevant to the topic.
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I watched the video, the guy makes amazing, salient points that adds weight and should be a basis of this entire discussion going forward.
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Yer better off reading his EncyclopediaDramatica entry instead
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I watched the video, the guy makes amazing, salient points that adds weight and should be a basis of this entire discussion going forward.
And how!
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You know way too much about the details of this stuff, magoose.
i go into the den of the neckbears to listen to their side, after coming out of this thread to hear you guys side, i don't partecipate in their discussion... take that as you want
Oh sweet, an AmazingAthiest video. Lol.
i have no idea who this guy is, i just wanted to estabilish that anita has an history of internet drama even before tropes vs women was a thing, let alone gamergate
by the way this also comes from the neckbear den since apparently youtube video with neckbeards aren't okay
http://gamesided.com/2014/10/14/my-open-letter-zoe-quinn-censorship-gaming-media/
#GGisahatemovement :hitler
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i just wanted to estabilish that anita has an history of internet drama even before tropes vs women was a thing, let alone gamergate
And this is supposed to somehow bolster your argument that the harassment is fabricated and the terrorist threats against Utah State are somehow a part of an effort to both make gamers look bad and turn Anita into a victim?
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i just wanted to estabilish that anita has an history of internet drama even before tropes vs women was a thing, let alone gamergate
And this is supposed to somehow bolster your argument that the harassment is fabricated and the terrorist threats against Utah State are somehow a part of an effort to both make gamers look bad and turn Anita into a victim?
you make this sound distinguished mentally-challenged, but yes... that's what i was trying to say
i'll believe this is a hate movement when i see someone being dragged into it who's NOT involved or when the culprit of all these harassement have actual names and faces
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[shows a picture of a white guy dressed up as a suicide bomber] "Is there anything that people won't be offended by these days?!"
(http://i.imgur.com/RGt54.png)
white man's burden arguments are so (http://i.imgur.com/xJ3sq.png)
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you make this sound distinguished mentally-challenged
Pretty sure you're the one doing that.
By virtue of actually being distinguished mentally-challenged.
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Magus, it's probably time to walk away and play some games. This isnt worth arguing over
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Magus, it's probably time to walk away and play some games. This isnt worth arguing over
oh i suggested this, several times in this thread, trust me
http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=42334.msg1946582#msg1946582
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You know way too much about the details of this stuff, magoose.
And yet he keeps telling us we should just ignore it...
i'll believe this is a hate movement when i see someone being dragged into it who's NOT involved or when the culprit of all these harassement have actual names and faces
Are you honestly not aware of how stupid this is?
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Of all the people in this thread, magus, you seem to the one who has spent the most time reading and researching it...
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Between Etiolate's pseudo-intellectual defense of mras and Magus's descent in GAMERGATE trutherism we eating in this thread brehs
(https://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5u37dRNmC1ryf7dio1_500.gif)
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hey women, if amazing atheist can survive #bananagate, you too should buck up and handle a few death threats. the trutherisms in this thread make my head hurt. not sure if troll or srs.
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/31/MagusPS3.jpg) pls
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Of all the people in this thread, magus, you seem to the one who has spent the most time reading and researching it...
i honestly got interessed in this because you guys wouldn't stop talking about it, if you don't want to believe me that's fine but look at this page (http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=42334.135), i made a few joke post and... how many has benji done? as far as i'm concerned my conscience is clean
It was a long time coming, but I think it's time we leper Magus, close this stupid thread, and go back to talking about videogames instead. Or maybe bitch about GAF a little bit, that always cheers us up.
oh no who will call me a pirate and a pedo and give me silly nickname and make fun of me, if you want to ban me go ahead, see if i care, i'm starting to get tired of this place again already... it's gotten again to the point where i come here bored and leave annoyed and angry... how it was? "i don't need this kind of toxicity"
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/31/MagusPS3.jpg) pls
ehy joe! rename this thread magusgate, this way it can be about my digital suicide and you guys can have some extra laugh at all of this
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If you go magus, so do I. I wont be able to live without you.
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If you go magus, so do I. I wont be able to live without you.
Shut up Squiddy.
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Wrath doesnt speak for everyone, magus.
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Who is persici ???
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Momo. You can check previous names in people's profiles.
Anyway, leaving because of toxicity? Now what does this remind me of? Hm.
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That's it, he's offline, you guys run him off.
I'm out, goodbye bore.
Hello.
Goodbye!
(http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=37373.50)
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i just wanted to estabilish that anita has an history of internet drama even before tropes vs women was a thing, let alone gamergate
And this is supposed to somehow bolster your argument that the harassment is fabricated and the terrorist threats against Utah State are somehow a part of an effort to both make gamers look bad and turn Anita into a victim?
you make this sound distinguished mentally-challenged, but yes... that's what i was trying to say
i'll believe this is a hate movement when i see someone being dragged into it who's NOT involved or when the culprit of all these harassement have actual names and faces
Yeah, cause Zoe Quinn did all this to herself, and making the point that the video game industry rarely if ever treats women as anything other than objects totally means Anita was "involved" and "asking for it."
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bye Squiddy
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3 years isn't a bad run tbh :yeshrug
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He has left before. Chill out magus. Come bacfk with a clear head.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v04IdNPuMlc#t=181
jesus fuck I hate this idea that if you're talking about x you clearly must be ignoring y and z which are way more important why are you talking about x when y and z are going on blah blah blah.
Last time I checked the average person can discuss multiple things. fucking idiots.
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Lol oh man. Dramaaaaa
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(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/gj1.gif)
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Too bad e'toilette left :(
E-toilet left too? Truly is a glorious day. :rejoice
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he left the topic (from what i can see), not the forum
:fbm
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:fbm
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New York Times mentions Sarkeesian and Gamergate, doesn't bother pretending there's more than one side. Progress!
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/16/technology/gamergate-women-video-game-threats-anita-sarkeesian.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/16/technology/gamergate-women-video-game-threats-anita-sarkeesian.html?_r=0)
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Vice has a long write-up about it, too:
http://www.vice.com/read/calm-down-gamergate-283
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https://twitter.com/srhbutts/status/522462449451413504
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/02/mj-laughing.gif)
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https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/522245547940651009
:dead
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https://twitter.com/srhbutts/status/522462449451413504
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/02/mj-laughing.gif)
how like #GamerGate to blame a woman's abuse on her periods
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https://twitter.com/srhbutts/status/522462449451413504
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/02/mj-laughing.gif)
how like #GamerGate to blame a woman's abuse on her periods
:dead
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:dead
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https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/522245547940651009
:dead
I warned you guys about the capital V.
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I keep thinking it's some gigantic Andy Kaufman-esque parody.
And then I remember it's not.
[sigh]
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This was linked in the Idle Thumbs OT
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=134397896&postcount=12285
Chrono posted this earlier, but I recommend anyone confused over what's happening read it:
http://www.wired.com/2014/10/trolls-will-always-win/
It's the exact same shit.
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So I just looked through this thread and :goty
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This was linked in the Idle Thumbs OT
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=134397896&postcount=12285
Magus caught feels over this. :snoop
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Front page of the NY Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/16/technology/gamergate-women-video-game-threats-anita-sarkeesian.html?_r=0
I can't believe the publishers refused to comment and instead hid behind a weak ESA statement. I just assumed everyone thought gamergate was bullshit except some insane individuals. But the more this drags on the more I realize they aren't the bad apples, I'm the bad apple ruining their fun. Publishers, developers, websites... seems like they all want this to go away so they can keep fleecing gamers until the whole industry implodes on itself
Thankfully I just bought an iPad :) So I'm safely making my exit from this mess now :rejoice
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:lol at people leaving the forum over this thread. ::)
I haven't been keeping up with all of this. How did Sarkeesian get involved or is that trope stuff now being lumped in with the gaming industry stuff?
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She released another video not too long ago, but I'm sure she got directly involved on Twitter and elsewhere the moment this shit started.
She's already had gamer anti-christ status though, as you probably know. I keep seeing her likened to Jack Thompson, which is just hilarious.
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On one hand:
That's a pretty fair assessment of this mess
On the other hand;
LOLZ YUR A GAMEGATER NECKBEARD!!!
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Meh, given people's incredibly short attention span and narcissism creating a platform that allows you to speak about yourself to people who like you in short bursts and having it become huge isn't too big a surprise in retrospect. The surprising thing is that someone else didn't come up with it.
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This thing has made me fucking hates gamers and I am one myself. Look at my live profile and you'll find such progressive gems as Deathsmiles, Oneechanbara, and Otomedius Excellent and I still say fuck these people for the way they're acting. They certainly aren't wrong about a lot of shit but their methodology and near exclusive targeting of women is utterly inexcusable. Assholes so shitty they're making me side with the dykey Jew, just amazingly impressive next level awful people. Typing this much on a phone is good times I tells ya.
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Where did this Jew thing even come from? She's of Armenian descent. Armenians are predominantly Christian. They very were early converts, even.
/pedantry
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With all the media attention about the threats all #gamergate has accomplished is to make "gamers" look like bigger losers than they already are. Imagine that.
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With all the media attention about the threats all #gamergate has accomplished is to make "gamers" look like bigger losers than they already are. Imagine that.
With talk like this, I'm going to see about having the boycott list (http://makealist.com/content/quinngategamergate-boycott-list) updated:
Forum/Community Sites:
- NeoGAF
- Something Awful
- rllmukforum.com
- 4chan (see also) - On September 18, 2014, following a couple of days of constant #Quinngate/#GamerGate-related thread deletion and IP range banning by the mods, moot personally announced that all #Quinngate/#GamerGate discussion was banned on 4chan. On September 28, 2014, mods started doxxing pro-#GamerGate members.
- The Bore
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That list :o
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That list is gold. Holy crap.
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There's also a support list! (http://makealist.com/content/quinngategamergate-support-list)
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Figures David Jaffe would be on the support list.
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Half the support page is just sites/people that haven't said anything about it yet. :heh
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There's also a support list! (http://makealist.com/content/quinngategamergate-support-list)
The guy who runs the site I occassionaly write little articles for is on that list.
:fbm
Probably why I've stopped writing anything.
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that block list has like every major site on the internet. where the hell do they even congregate at now?
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Those same sites, but with adblock on. Which it was already.
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The irony of all this hubbub is that the changes feminist minded people want might actually come faster because now the mainstream media is going "lol the fuck is this" and anyone not copping to some "SJW demands" is going to look like quite shitastic. The gamergaters essentially expedited the process which is hilarious.
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Exactly.
If gamegaters were actually smart enough to see that they're only quickening the pace of the stuff they're "fighting" against they'd stop.
So of course we'll have months of this left.
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Exactly.
If gamegaters were actually smart enough to see that they're only quickening the pace of the stuff they're "fighting" against they'd stop.
So of course we'll have months of this left.
That and they made someone they wanted to be completely irrelevant into the spokesperson and martyr for the cause. So dumb.
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With all the media attention about the threats all #gamergate has accomplished is to make "gamers" look like bigger losers than they already are. Imagine that.
With talk like this, I'm going to see about having the boycott list (http://makealist.com/content/quinngategamergate-boycott-list) updated:
Forum/Community Sites:
- NeoGAF
- Something Awful
- rllmukforum.com
- 4chan (see also) - On September 18, 2014, following a couple of days of constant #Quinngate/#GamerGate-related thread deletion and IP range banning by the mods, moot personally announced that all #Quinngate/#GamerGate discussion was banned on 4chan. On September 28, 2014, mods started doxxing pro-#GamerGate members.
- The Bore
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--L-qv53pO--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/cdiu9dbd3xlpdglmshso.jpg)
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Those same sites, but with adblock on. Which it was already.
What if AdBlock came out anti-GG? :ohhh
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Think I'll just steal this retweet of AV's and throw it up here
https://storify.com/EffNOVideoGames/stopgamergate-it-has-always-been-a-spin
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Just had to explain to my former senior lecturer in Journalism about how #GamerGate got started and how all sides are shameful.
At the very least, I took that L so someone else wouldn't have to :goty
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Just had to explain to my former senior lecturer in Journalism about how #GamerGate got started and how all sides are shameful.
At the very least, I took that L so someone else wouldn't have to :goty
:ufup
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:lol at people leaving the forum over this thread. ::)
I haven't been keeping up with all of this. How did Sarkeesian get involved or is that trope stuff now being lumped in with the gaming industry stuff?
“Guys...? Guys, you are not listening to meeeee! Look, I have proof!”
*presents nonsensical items*
*audience is unclear if it is being trolled or not* Dude, that’s totally not proof, and it doesn’t refute what we said.
“GUUUUYS. GUYS! YOU ARE NOT LISTENING!”
I’m pretty sure I’m listening. I’m pretty sure the lack-of-listening problem is not on my end.
Also, FWIW, the #GG Harassment tumblr link earlier is charmingly earnest and naïve. It shows frustrated anti-#GG people saying they want to punch pro-#GG people, and in doing so seeks to equate this with rape and death threats which have required police involvement. “Hey, someone said mean stuff to us, too!”
C’mon, son.
https://twitter.com/srhbutts/status/522462449451413504
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/02/mj-laughing.gif)
#grammargate
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Where did this Jew thing even come from? She's of Armenian descent. Armenians are predominantly Christian. They very were early converts, even.
/pedantry
Big schnoz + ignorance of Armenian surname construction + Jewish being an insult on the internet while Armenian isn't outside of whatever the biggest Russian and Turkish social media sites are.
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Just had to explain to my former senior lecturer in Journalism about how #GamerGate got started and how all sides are shameful.
At the very least, I took that L so someone else wouldn't have to :goty
:ufup
The gaming press could have completely avoided it by telling people "We don't report libel. Or tabloid gossip about people's sex lives" even with the allegations she shacked it with a Kotaku reporter (And till it's proven in court and/or admitted on record. It's an allegation and is reported as such. Also public interest defense is tenuous at best) as well if Quinn knocked off her twitter habit. Instead we had a parade of "STOP PICKING ON HER" damage control articles that popped up and Quinn tweeting at every single butthurt neckbeard to make fun of them (instead of maybe lawyering up on her ex for libel ASAP). That shit just got them going and now they don't stop because the pro-GG crowd think there is a conspiracy and there always has been a conspiracy to force agendas. They won't shut up about it and never will.
The press and Quinn magnified it so hard when they had a chance to extinguish that the GamerGaters are now looking for conspiracies that don't exist and claiming everything is an agenda against them. So when they make dumb shit like death and rape threats. That also gets magnified with front page articles in the NYT. And the page hits for this shit is huge. Daily mail calls #GamerGate a hate group. Site is pouring with comments and pageviews and every site is fighting to get a part of the organic SEO pie (Current adword spend is around $2 per click as well. It's trending high and you can bring in those clicks pretty easily organically). It's pure cash by enraging a bunch of tools being played like a goddamn fiddle over something so utterly insignificant.
Games media didn't know when there was a time to shut up and say "We don't get involved in personal issues" yet they went into hissy fits in response. And now we have this unceasing shitstorm.
tl;dr: Fuck this club and everyone in it.
(I accept the following :umad with what little dignity I have left)
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thinking you can write paragraphs and retain any dignity :ufup
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Did benji post this yet? Lew Rockwell is on #GamerGate. :phil
http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/gamers-vs-pc-bullies/
spoiler (click to show/hide)
:dead
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I didn't expect it to be from the man himself. :rejoice
EDIT: Oh, it just appears to be an e-mail from reader "Adam" the worst of the Buffy big bads. :fbm
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(http://i.imgur.com/2e32BIU.png)
:sabu :sabu :sabu :sabu :sabu :sabu :sabu
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Relevant article:
http://waxy.org/2014/10/gamergate_schadenfreude/
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Hrmm...I wonder where these tweets are coming from. Maybe I'll write up a little program and do some data analysis. Don't know if twitter holds Gender and age of the tweeter. But we'll find out.
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(http://i.imgur.com/2e32BIU.png)
:sabu :sabu :sabu :sabu :sabu :sabu :sabu
SO do they boycott Bayo 2 now or?
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To be fair, I'm pretty sure Kamiya also bans people who use the #stopgamergate tag too.
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Yeah but they won't care about that...
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(http://i.imgur.com/2e32BIU.png)
:sabu :sabu :sabu :sabu :sabu :sabu :sabu
SO do they boycott Bayo 2 now or?
Thinking they were going to buy Bayo 2 in the first place when it's on Wee-ooo.
:sabu :sabu :sabu :sabu :sabu :sabu :sabu
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(http://i.imgur.com/2e32BIU.png)
:sabu :sabu :sabu :sabu :sabu :sabu :sabu
SO do they boycott Bayo 2 now or?
Thinking they were going to buy Bayo 2 in the first place when it's on Wee-ooo.
:sabu :sabu :sabu :sabu :sabu :sabu :sabu
Implying Nintendo isn't the top choice of manchildren with grudges against women.
:smug
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(http://i.imgur.com/2e32BIU.png)
:sabu :sabu :sabu :sabu :sabu :sabu :sabu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6aRr9zhyM8
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nWo comparison
:lawd
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(http://i.imgur.com/jLo5Qi5.png)
:leon
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So...you're saying this was blown out of proportion? :ohhh
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oh man loving the windmilling over gamergate heroes spitting on their constituents :lawd
the william gibson salt in particular nourishes me :rejoice
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Sunblade, what's your source for those numbers?
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(http://i.imgur.com/jLo5Qi5.png)
:leon
Where are these numbers coming from because I've started my initial twitter pulls and there's way more users pushing gamergate than 300.
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I just found the picture on twitter, i dunno. I'd register to http://keyhole.co/ and find out myself but I'm lazy about it.
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Same here, but I did have a look at Google Trends:
http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=gamergate&date=today%2012-m&cmpt=date
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Looks lees dramatic here, but still:
http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=gamergate&date=today%203-m&cmpt=date
Inteeeel.
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the william gibson salt in particular nourishes me :rejoice
Link the Gibson salt? I have him on my Twitter timeline but didn't run across any drama.
Oh. A retweet but still:
http://m.motherjones.com/media/2014/10/these-geek-icons-are-breaking-gamergates-heart
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https://storify.com/x_glitch/when-the-gamergate-mob-targeted-anil-dash-for-no-r
tl;dr
Anil Dash isn’t even related to games journalism, but GG and some attention-seeking lawyer aligned with them attempted to bait, bully, and cajole him into a fight in which he has no stake.
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Those banana riders are amazing. It's like peering into an alternate dimension.
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This is the worst media exposure gaming has had since Columbine.
With Columbine, gamers could claim they were being unfairly scapegoated, but with #GamersGate, gamers have no choice but to take that L. :goty2
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the william gibson salt in particular nourishes me :rejoice
Link the Gibson salt? I have him on my Twitter timeline but didn't run across any drama.
Oh. A retweet but still:
http://m.motherjones.com/media/2014/10/these-geek-icons-are-breaking-gamergates-heart
From TFA:
Lamented another 8chan user, with no apparent irony: "Unfortunately even misinformed people can put out their opinion on whatever they want, and they've got a large platform to do it with via the internet."
::)
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http://gawker.com/the-d-list-right-wingers-whove-turned-gamergate-into-th-1648410811 (http://gawker.com/the-d-list-right-wingers-whove-turned-gamergate-into-th-1648410811)
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https://storify.com/x_glitch/when-the-gamergate-mob-targeted-anil-dash-for-no-r
Just about two months ago, that guy Tweeted this:
I had never heard of "gaming media" until recently. Jesus Christ, guys, put down the fucking video games and stop reading distinguished mentally-challenged sites.
:heh
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Gamersgate Hero: (no misogyny)
(http://i.imgur.com/MhPFbAq.png)
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A MRA? Who could have predicted!
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I don't understand people. I mean why would you ever post something like that to Twitter? ??
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Thinking lawyers are people
:neogaf
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it's so ethical, my friends :rejoice
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Seems pretty suspicious to me that this guy at Gawker just happens to write this article so soon after he was challenged to a fight. And we're supposed to believe journalism is objective?!! Wake me up when someone respectable writes an article, like Tucker Max
/Magus
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Tucker Max
(http://media.tumblr.com/08565cf5aee04111644c5bf7bf0bddc8/tumblr_inline_n8hcqlmb311sb080b.gif)
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A MRA? Who could have predicted!
Clearly Mike Cernovich is a false flag, COINTELPRO operative who was placed to discredit the GamersGate movement among the non-redpilled.
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/21/gamergate-angry-men-harassing-women
"Gamergate is loud, dangerous and a last grasp at cultural dominance by angry white men"
:sabu
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Chris Kluwe, former NFL player has some choice words (https://medium.com/the-cauldron/why-gamergaters-piss-me-the-f-off-a7e4c7f6d8a6):
A whole bunch of other angry neckbeards on the Internet went full Denis Dyack and spitfrothed themselves into national attention by making an array of threats on numerous female game developers [...] Like they’re all little Anne Franks, hiding in their basements from the PC Nazis and Social Justice Warrior brigades, desperately protecting the last shreds of “core gaming” in their unironically horrible Liveblog journals filled with patently obvious white privilege and poorly disguised misogyny. [...]
When I see an article titled “Gamers are dead,” referring to the death of the popular trope of a pasty young man in a dimly lit room, it fills me with joy, because it means WE FUCKING WON.You slopebrowed weaseldicks with zero reading comprehension and even less critical thinking skills who think an article claiming “Gamers are dead” is something bad? Fuck me sideways with a sandblaster.
When people think of “gamers,” I want them to think of Child’s Play, and athletes who play competitive League of Legends, and all the normalization we’ve accomplished over the years. I want them to think of feminism, and games as an art form — something more than mass entertainment. I want them to think of all the amazing things that video games have done, and can do, because that means we get to keep playing more games. But as long as you hemorrhoidal gunt stains continue this asininity, they won’t, and it makes me want to pick you all up collectively and shake you until your rectum leaks out what little brains you possess because YOU’RE SO FUCKING DUMB.
The real gamers, both men and women, look at your frantic rantings about “ethics in videogame journalism,” and they shake their heads sadly, wondering how you could get sucked in by some script-kiddie /b/tards and conspiracy-nut celebrities gleefully using you as a smokescreen for misogynistic hate. [...] You don’t even see your complete idiocy because you’re too busy wargleblargling your face into your keyboard.
You support the idiotic stereotype of the “gamer” as a basement-dwelling sweatbeast that so many people have worked so hard to try and get rid of. And you know what? That pisses me the fuck off. I’ve spent too long as a gamer, seen too much progress made, to let you tarnish that name. I hope you all, every #Gamergater, picks up a debilitating case of genital warts.
The rest of you — find a different hashtag.
:whoo :whew :lawd :aah :sabu
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SLOPEBROWED WEASELDICKS :aah
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HEMORRHOIDAL GUNT STAINS :aah
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:whoo
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Invoke Dennis Dyack as ether material, brehs
:dead :neogaf :dead
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I think we just witnessed a digital genocide brehs.
:whew
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Chris Kluwe is a Path Of Exile stan btw
:win
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Ethered by a retired punter
:dead
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Even more L's:
In his 2013 Reddit "Ask Me Anything" interview,[39] Kluwe responded that his favorite book is Ender's Game, despite his opinion that the book's author, Orson Scott Card, is a "turd."
...
Kluwe is a libertarian[41] and describes himself as "cheerfully agnostic."[42] Despite holding an openly cynical view towards atheism, Kluwe agreed to speak at the 2014 American Atheists Convention.[42]
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"retired" punter
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A Summary Of The Gamergate Movement That We Will Immediately Change If Any Of Its Members Find Any Details Objectionable (http://www.clickhole.com/article/summary-gamergate-movement-we-will-immediately-cha-1241)
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Kluwe and Prole should be best buddies.
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A Summary Of The Gamergate Movement That We Will Immediately Change If Any Of Its Members Find Any Details Objectionable (http://www.clickhole.com/article/summary-gamergate-movement-we-will-immediately-cha-1241)
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We would hasten to add, before our Twitter feed is turned into a hellish garbage dump for the worst discussion ever conducted on the internet, that these women driven from their homes, these journalists targeted by hate campaigns, and these websites financially punished for their dissent are all unfortunate victims of a few fringe individuals within Gamergate. That these are the movement’s only tangible achievements so far does not change the fact that this is, at its core, a concerned community dedicated to having a reasonable discussion about ethics in journalism.
And that’s the best part of the whole thing, right? That Gamergate, as a legitimate movement arguing in good faith, can accept criticism and dissent without resorting to vitriolic censorship or threats of violence.
DAAAAAYYYYUM.
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All the ether. ALL. OF. IT.
:rejoice Onion/Clickhole writers
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Chris Kluwe, former NFL player has some choice words (https://medium.com/the-cauldron/why-gamergaters-piss-me-the-f-off-a7e4c7f6d8a6):
A whole bunch of other angry neckbeards on the Internet went full Denis Dyack and spitfrothed themselves into national attention by making an array of threats on numerous female game developers [...] Like they’re all little Anne Franks, hiding in their basements from the PC Nazis and Social Justice Warrior brigades, desperately protecting the last shreds of “core gaming” in their unironically horrible Liveblog journals filled with patently obvious white privilege and poorly disguised misogyny. [...]
When I see an article titled “Gamers are dead,” referring to the death of the popular trope of a pasty young man in a dimly lit room, it fills me with joy, because it means WE FUCKING WON.You slopebrowed weaseldicks with zero reading comprehension and even less critical thinking skills who think an article claiming “Gamers are dead” is something bad? Fuck me sideways with a sandblaster.
When people think of “gamers,” I want them to think of Child’s Play, and athletes who play competitive League of Legends, and all the normalization we’ve accomplished over the years. I want them to think of feminism, and games as an art form — something more than mass entertainment. I want them to think of all the amazing things that video games have done, and can do, because that means we get to keep playing more games. But as long as you hemorrhoidal gunt stains continue this asininity, they won’t, and it makes me want to pick you all up collectively and shake you until your rectum leaks out what little brains you possess because YOU’RE SO FUCKING DUMB.
The real gamers, both men and women, look at your frantic rantings about “ethics in videogame journalism,” and they shake their heads sadly, wondering how you could get sucked in by some script-kiddie /b/tards and conspiracy-nut celebrities gleefully using you as a smokescreen for misogynistic hate. [...] You don’t even see your complete idiocy because you’re too busy wargleblargling your face into your keyboard.
You support the idiotic stereotype of the “gamer” as a basement-dwelling sweatbeast that so many people have worked so hard to try and get rid of. And you know what? That pisses me the fuck off. I’ve spent too long as a gamer, seen too much progress made, to let you tarnish that name. I hope you all, every #Gamergater, picks up a debilitating case of genital warts.
The rest of you — find a different hashtag.
:whoo :whew :lawd :aah :sabu
CLOSE THREAD WE ARE DONE :rofl
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i see the journalist cabal is hard at work undoing all the legitimate gains being made by gamergate. should be no surprise that clickhole, a largely liberal, feminist content aggregation site is simply regurgitating their taking points. color me unshocked if it comes to light that chris kluwe slept with nathan grayson.
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Felicia Day has finally weighed in:
http://thisfeliciaday.tumblr.com/post/100700417809/the-only-thing-i-have-to-say-about-gamer-gate
Just makes me goddamned sad that there are so many GG shit heels out there who are FAILING TO ENGAGE THEIR BRAINS, and don’t see the hypocrisy in this path down which they’ve been lead.
TL;DR summary is beautiful in her closing paragraphs: I have lived a large part of my life ruled by negative emotions, mainly fear and anxiety. From my experience of working through those issues, I have this to say: Steeping yourself in the emotions that you’re surrounding yourself with, of hatred and bile and contempt, is ultimately not destructive to others like you want it to be. It’s destructive to yourself.
I know it feels good to belong to a group, to feel righteous in belonging to a cause, but causing fear and pushing people away from gaming is not the way to go about doing it. Think through the repercussions of your actions and the people you are aligning yourself with. And think honestly about whether your actions are genuinely going to change gaming life for the better. Or whether they’re just going to make someone cross the street away from you. And away from something, ironically, that we both love.
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I still have no idea WTH is going on with this Gamergate thing, like I cant even figure out what anyone is arguing about
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Felicia Day has finally weighed in:
http://thisfeliciaday.tumblr.com/post/100700417809/the-only-thing-i-have-to-say-about-gamer-gate
Just makes me goddamned sad that there are so many GG shit heels out there who are FAILING TO ENGAGE THEIR BRAINS, and don’t see the hypocrisy in this path down which they’ve been lead.
TL;DR summary is beautiful in her closing paragraphs: I have lived a large part of my life ruled by negative emotions, mainly fear and anxiety. From my experience of working through those issues, I have this to say: Steeping yourself in the emotions that you’re surrounding yourself with, of hatred and bile and contempt, is ultimately not destructive to others like you want it to be. It’s destructive to yourself.
I know it feels good to belong to a group, to feel righteous in belonging to a cause, but causing fear and pushing people away from gaming is not the way to go about doing it. Think through the repercussions of your actions and the people you are aligning yourself with. And think honestly about whether your actions are genuinely going to change gaming life for the better. Or whether they’re just going to make someone cross the street away from you. And away from something, ironically, that we both love.
she was doxxed in the comments to this very post
ethics in game journalism, brehs
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so sad how, ahem, certain folks see calling out bullshit and demanding and end to harassment as the same thing (or worse) than said harassment
and when I say sad I mean completely fucking stupid
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Felicia Day has finally weighed in:
http://thisfeliciaday.tumblr.com/post/100700417809/the-only-thing-i-have-to-say-about-gamer-gate
Just makes me goddamned sad that there are so many GG shit heels out there who are FAILING TO ENGAGE THEIR BRAINS, and don’t see the hypocrisy in this path down which they’ve been lead.
TL;DR summary is beautiful in her closing paragraphs: I have lived a large part of my life ruled by negative emotions, mainly fear and anxiety. From my experience of working through those issues, I have this to say: Steeping yourself in the emotions that you’re surrounding yourself with, of hatred and bile and contempt, is ultimately not destructive to others like you want it to be. It’s destructive to yourself.
I know it feels good to belong to a group, to feel righteous in belonging to a cause, but causing fear and pushing people away from gaming is not the way to go about doing it. Think through the repercussions of your actions and the people you are aligning yourself with. And think honestly about whether your actions are genuinely going to change gaming life for the better. Or whether they’re just going to make someone cross the street away from you. And away from something, ironically, that we both love.
she was doxxed in the comments to this very post
ethics in game journalism, brehs
Complain about ethics in journalism then repeat something British Red Tops shied away from after they got burned doing it a decade ago, brehs
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/901723.stm
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why am i not surprised jaydub is siding with gamergaters at this point
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Meh, you don't have to be a gamegater to think that "bring back bullying" is probably a dumb move.
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JayDub taking up the idiot mantle from etiolate and magus. :lawd we eating in here.
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radical feminists and MSNBC
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It would nourish my soul to see people as dumb as JayDub defending this shit after every rational person in the country thinks they're nothing but a bunch of mouth breathing losers if not for all the death threats and general fuckery.
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I still have no idea WTH is going on with this Gamergate thing, like I cant even figure out what anyone is arguing about
Yeah, oddly enough, NEITHER CAN THEY.
It’s about “ethics in game journalism,” but it’s never about publisher flying editors to destination vacation spots for a weekend preview of games, dining and drinking on the publisher’s tab, etc. No, it’s about women being evil and how they should be threatened BECAUSE REASONS. There is no-one with their head further up their ass than a GamerGate dude, except perhaps females believing in GamerGate.
Want ethics?
#FIND_A_NEW_HASHTAG
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someone on my facebook legitimately cares about the ethics in journalism thing and has been a part of #gamersgate. She just suggested that there be a wikileaks version of gaming media.
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um
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JayDub probably thinks I'm black.
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someone on my facebook legitimately cares about the ethics in journalism thing and has been a part of #gamersgate. She just suggested that there be a wikileaks version of gaming media.
Why? Who cares? WTF?
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Hopefully this thread can claim the digital lives of the three least self aware posters in Bore history, although JD has been committed to awfulness for a lot longer and with more stubborness than either magus or etiolate could dream of.
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someone on my facebook legitimately cares about the ethics in journalism thing and has been a part of #gamersgate. She just suggested that there be a wikileaks version of gaming media.
Why? Who cares? WTF?
I think the whole response to GamerGate and the way people conduct themselves on either side is making me hate humanity as a whole.
The response to GamerGate was to attack all gamers regardless of where they stand on the issue (I have never harassed a feminist critic of ANYTHING but I'm definitely a gamer). Then they react as predicted because they were attacked and its spun into a way that makes us all look bad.
Then there's trolls who don't represent any viewpoint attacking people, knowing what it will do, but they somehow represent the entire gaming community.
Then everyone ignores a certain board's involvement, despite political discussion having nothing to do with video games by saying its the entire gaming community at fault.
But people will support GamerGate and take the bullet for people whose actions are spun into click bait by denying that it was not all squeaky clean.
What the fuck.
The problem is that people who feel attacked are in denial of misogynists having anything to do with the movement.
But they were still attacked while doing nothing wrong in most cases, so I can't blame them for the pushback.
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As much as I feel Anita Sarkeesian has sort of hindered any sort of actual conversation about feminism in games by, well, not allowing it, you probably shouldn't support anything Aurini does. Guys is honestly an asshole. Legit classist. Jokes about beating women. Turns out he was in court for a for nerve pinching a woman. The list sorta goes on and on.
So yeah, don't bother with the Sarkeesian Effect.
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It's amazing that Anita Sarkeesian has become the bete noire of games for doing a series of Sophomore women's studies videos about games. Wait till these people start reading books and they'll see real criticisms from a huge variety of feminists with a multitude of angles. Yet books are still a thing and people still read. Weird.
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You really think it's more irrational to decry people who are making death threats and harassing people via releasing their personal information than it is to do those things? "Being an asshole" worse than threatening lives and livelihoods? Your mind is narrow like bird marrow.
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why am i not surprised jaydub is siding with gamergaters at this point
I too, would expect me to be dubious of any narrative pushed by radical feminists and MSNBC, just as I would expect many of you would be the sort of fools who lap that shit up.
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Here's the thing. EVEN IF Gamergate is about integrity in gaming journalism it's STILL idiotic.
Don't think you can trust Kotaku with reviews? Congrats on getting where everyone else was in 2005!
It doesn't matter. You want good reveiws then find the person that you feel you can trust and listen to that. There's millions of youtube pewdiepie wannabes out there. Find one and do that. No one is forcing you to go to a site.
If it's about feminist apologists, you gotta realize, apologists are gonna apologist . Perhaps it's because I grew up in a religious community but I'm used to the whole apologist "answers first then find the evidence for them later" approach, if you don't agree you just keep going your way and let them do their thing.
If it's about gamers being marginalized and ridiculed. Come now. You're gamers. You can't seriously tell me this is the first time that's happened to you. If you haven't developed a thick skin by now maybe gaming isn't for you. Go play football or something.
People just let things get to their heads and none of it matters.
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what EXACTLY are specific #gamergate grievances beyond WOMEN MIGHT GIVE JOURNALISTS SEX FOR REVIEWS, THE TRAMPS!!!!!
editorial content pushing progressive preferences by creators (since the creator class tends to be, y'know, progressive) isn't an ethical violation, and despite what the larger media has conditioned you to think, no-one is obliged to provide viewpoints from "the other side"
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- Sometimes people review a game and don't mention they once drank a beer at GDC with the person who made the game.
- Thinking women should be treated like human beings is an opinion, and opinions have no place in objective game reviews.
- If you give $5/month via Patreon to a trans girl who makes Twine games and couch-surfs in San Francisco, you are now AN INVESTOR and cannot objectively review Twats in Space IV.
- DARPA is funding DiGRA research into how to make video games that brainwash people into accepting Cultural Marxism and Radical Feminism (yes, really).
- Game journalists from different sites subscribing to a mailing list is proof of COLLUSION and a far-flung conspiracy to destroy gamers and not that people in an industry talk to other people in the same industry.
- Actually, it's about ethics in game journalism.
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You forgot the rapey bits.
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Wrong thread!
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seriously tho a lot of you guys are dumb as fuck
please stop talking to or about women forever
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Lemme guess Felicia got doxxed like 5 minutes after that was released.
I'm convinced people still trying to quasi defend GG don't bathe.
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Yup. Bubububu both sides.
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Yup. Bubububu both sides.
Even our mainstream which can be shat on regularly for "both sides" hasn't taken a "both sides" approach to this what so ever. I think some people have really strong delusions, no social awareness and watch far too much porn.
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"Both sides" pseudo high grounding is the lamest shit
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GG really just feels like a bunch of sexually frustrated virgins and or people who are so socially inept they truly think someone like Quinn has/had the power to ruin gaming with her vagina. Like dudes who really don't understand sexual politics or are just so desperate to get laid themselves they're projecting all kinds of nonsense onto the population at large.
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Lemme guess Felicia got doxxed like 5 minutes after that was released.
I'm convinced people still trying to quasi defend GG don't bathe.
The girl I know who defends GG says that the Doxxers and misogynists are a minority from 4chan
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GG really just feels like a bunch of sexually frustrated virgins and or people who are so socially inept they truly think someone like Quinn has/had the power to ruin gaming with her vagina. Like dudes who really don't understand sexual politics or are just so desperate to get laid themselves they're projecting all kinds of nonsense onto the population at large.
It's simple. We fuck the batman.
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Lemme guess Felicia got doxxed like 5 minutes after that was released.
I'm convinced people still trying to quasi defend GG don't bathe.
The girl I know who defends GG says that the Doxxers and misogynists are a minority from 4chan
A minority that just happens to have the only "accomplishments" from this movement.
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Kluwe responded to the Felicia Day doxxing:
“None of you fucking #gamergate tools tried to dox me, even after I tore you a new one. I’m not even a tough target…Instead, you go after a woman who wrote why your movement concerns her,” Kluwe said on Twitter.
http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2014/10/23/3583347/felicia-day-gamergate/
You’d think that, having been bullied for their geekiness or nerdiness or whatever, the #GG guys would understand that it’s bad to bully people. But, no, it’s about ETHICS. Really.
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The bullied becoming the bullies isn't a new concept.
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Lemme guess Felicia got doxxed like 5 minutes after that was released.
false flag doxxing tho
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You’d think that, having been bullied for their geekiness or nerdiness or whatever, the #GG guys would understand that it’s bad to bully people.
I posted this essay (http://www.ejumpcut.org/archive/jc54.2012/SolesKunyoGeedom/) previously in the thread, it's quite long and about film instead of games, but it is basically about that. Geeks feeling emasculated and outcast from mainstream culture and building their own hierarchy where they get to be alphas.
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The bullied becoming the bullies isn't a new concept.
yeah, I mean, at this point, Penny Arcade has been around for 15 years
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:lol
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I wonder what Gabe and Tycho's take on gamergate is?
spoiler (click to show/hide)
No I don't
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The bullied becoming the bullies isn't a new concept.
see: Obama giving America ebola to pay for slavery.
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I wonder what Gabe and Tycho's take on gamergate is?
spoiler (click to show/hide)
No I don't
"Harassing women is wrong but we understand because your feelings were hurt"
half-distinguished mentally-challenged fellow, not the TurtleBasket full-distinguished mentally-challenged fellow
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isn't it usually gabe who has the fucking terrible views?
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isn't it usually gabe who has the fucking terrible views?
yes
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I wonder what Gabe and Tycho's take on gamergate is?
spoiler (click to show/hide)
No I don't
"Harassing women is wrong but we understand because your feelings were hurt"
half-distinguished mentally-challenged fellow, not the TurtleBasket full-distinguished mentally-challenged fellow
Brings me back to that old chestnut, “Men are afraid women will laugh at them; women are afraid men will kill them."
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gamer's gate is no steam or even gog, that's for sure
(http://i.imgur.com/6RPB2Hf.png)
https://twitter.com/GamersGate/status/525179913897512960
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someone on my facebook legitimately cares about the ethics in journalism thing and has been a part of #gamersgate. She just suggested that there be a wikileaks version of gaming media.
QUICK. GET PETE DODD AND (former ign editor) JEREMY CONRAD ON THE PHONE. THERE IS A GAP IN THE MARKET.
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former ign editor :rofl
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By the way if you want to see an industry with near 0 ethical standards you should see what goes on in mine.
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By the way if you want to see an industry with near 0 ethical standards you should see what goes on in mine.
Bitch please. I'm a consultant.
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By the way if you want to see an industry with near 0 ethical standards you should see what goes on in mine.
Bitch please. I'm a consultant.
I have a friend who's a managing partner at a big consulting firm and she tells me about the fuckery that goes on with vendors trying to get recognized. As far as low standards in journalism however, not much can beat the wine world.
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By the way if you want to see an industry with near 0 ethical standards you should see what goes on in mine.
How many dicks have you sucked tho?
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By the way if you want to see an industry with near 0 ethical standards you should see what goes on in mine.
How many dicks have you sucked tho?
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Those are totally recreational dicks :ufup
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It's 2014, head is head breh
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oh yeah, wine reviews :pfft
if you thought game reviews were puff pieces paid for by the suppliers, CHECK THIS OUT (http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/jun/23/wine-tasting-junk-science-analysis)
btw Jdubs I updated that pic for you
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I've never actually had a wine writer admit to taking straight cash for wine coverage, but I've known plenty who've admitted to everything else. One croatian writer I eat with every January in Beaune who writes mainly towards the rich russian market is simply there to pick up his "allocations" of wines that cost mortgage payments per case, if not bottles. He just laughs it off.
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I read a great article I can't find now about a guy who collected wines who had fake expensive bottles that he would only bring out after everyone was super sloshed so they would be like "haha wow, 98 points, WOOO LAMPSHADE PARTY"
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The old joke was journalists go to Bordeaux and leave their trunks open and when they'd get done tasting there would mysteriously be wine in there and they'd go to their next stop. And then I found out it was totally true, and most of the time there wasn't even subterfuge, it was just, oh have these cases of wine.
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meanwhile game writers fret about if it's okay for them to receive a $60 first-person shooter
BUT THEY'RE ETHICALLY CORRUPT, AMIRITE
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http://www.thewinecellarinsider.com/2011/12/jay-miller-quits-robert-parker-as-critic-for-the-wine-advocate/ (http://www.thewinecellarinsider.com/2011/12/jay-miller-quits-robert-parker-as-critic-for-the-wine-advocate/)
This is a dude who's pretty uncorrupt by wine writer standards, and he once went to a dinner in Florida that ran some $27,000 for 4 people, 3 of them importers, and he definitely didn't pay.
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If I ever start a band I'll call it "Totally Recreational Dicks"
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xpostin from gaf thread
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Jesus fuckin Christ :rofl
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perfect :dead
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The thing about GamerGate that gets to me, once I thought about it, is it has me cheering for a professional football player for screaming at a bunch of nerds.
It’s like I’m living in Bizarro World.
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gamer's gate is no steam or even gog, that's for sure
(http://i.imgur.com/6RPB2Hf.png)
https://twitter.com/GamersGate/status/525179913897512960
I like GamersGate :heart
They're usually the last to resort to higher pricing for Australians
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By the way if you want to see an industry with near 0 ethical standards you should see what goes on in mine.
Bitch please. I'm a consultant.
I have a friend who's a managing partner at a big consulting firm and she tells me about the fuckery that goes on with vendors trying to get recognized. As far as low standards in journalism however, not much can beat the wine world.
How much of it is relabeling cheap swill as top product? :hitler
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The thing about GamerGate that gets to me, once I thought about it, is it has me cheering for a professional football player for screaming at a bunch of nerds.
It’s like I’m living in Bizarro World.
The professional football player is also a nerd. And he's a kicker, which are basically the nerds of the jock world.
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By the way if you want to see an industry with near 0 ethical standards you should see what goes on in mine.
Bitch please. I'm a consultant.
I have a friend who's a managing partner at a big consulting firm and she tells me about the fuckery that goes on with vendors trying to get recognized. As far as low standards in journalism however, not much can beat the wine world.
How much of it is relabeling cheap swill as top product? :hitler
Lots. There was just a huge case in Italy involving something like 200,000 bottles of relabeled wine.
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The perfect crime. :whew
That number is so big, I wouldn't be surprised if the mafia were involved.
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In Italy? Definitely. They were casually linked to the anti-freeze scandal that nearly ruined Austria's entire wine industry back in the 80s.
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I made some Photoshops
the last one was uncomfortably close to real life so I deleted it from Twitter almost immediately
you guys have no morals tho
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That interlacing, god damn. :kobeyuck
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I didn't know Double Dragon Neon came to the Xbox One.
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stealin' our
jerbs label
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as a friend said on Twitter this morning, the weirdest thing about this is some gamers want "gamers" to be ... a protected class? To be recognized as an ethnicity and culture worthy of protection?
:mindblown
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Remember when Etiolate compared Nintendo gamers to Holocaust victimes? :neogaf
Has anyone on the bore said anything even as close to as dumb?
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Remember when Etiolate compared Nintendo gamers to Holocaust victimes? :neogaf
Has anyone on the bore said anything even as close to as dumb?
Are we talking non-FlameofCallandor division? Cause dios mio man, THAT GUY.
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It really is spearheaded by people with no real adversity in life huh.
Remember when Etiolate compared Nintendo gamers to Holocaust victimes? :neogaf
Has anyone on the bore said anything even as close to as dumb?
What.
I kind of started ignoring him altogether when he would spout off MRA talking points with no sense of irony.
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This (the holocaust thing) was years ago, before MRA was even a thing I think. Dude's always been a little fucking shitburger.
And yeah, the thing about GG is, even IF they weren't intrinsically linked to doxxing/threatening women, they're pitching a fit over... ethics in video game journalism? Seriously. Get a fucking life, you dipshits.
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It really is spearheaded by people with no real adversity in life huh.
Remember when Etiolate compared Nintendo gamers to Holocaust victimes? :neogaf
Has anyone on the bore said anything even as close to as dumb?
What.
I kind of started ignoring him altogether when he would spout off MRA talking points with no sense of irony.
If Mandark were here he'd give you the amazing lowdown. I'm too lazy to go find it now. Come back to us, Gentle Jew :(
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I've played games my entire life. I play weird ass games from Japan. I think GamerGate is horribly misguided. I guess I was never really "one of them."
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Honestly I remember not really encountering any sexism until I started gaming.
Then it was just a stream of shit over the mic.
Oh wait, I didn't start gaming till a couple years ago when it became cool. Nevermind. Ignore my obviously false memories.
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Clearly you got into games to make money off fake sexism!
I could never figure out why people raged so much over Morgan Webb and Olivia Munn in the mid 00s and the whole "they're not real gamers" bullshit. What does that even mean?
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I never got that either.
I also didn't get the insistence it was just clueless boys saying mean things since most of the awful shit I heard was from the mouth of an adult.
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I don't have any interest in online gaming or really multiplayer in general, but the few times I've played online were interesting. Japanese Gundam games with online components? Totally fine except for some xenophobes who are like "you're not Japanese? you can't play with us so sorry please understand." I played some Halo 2 online back in the day and it was ugly as shit.
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Sadly, "age ain't nothin but a number" cuts both ways
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FPSes were mostly "stupid dykey whore bag I bet you're ugly that's why you're good at this game."
MMOs were "omg you're a girl, here's some gold, wanna quest together?"
Both cringeworthy in their own special ways.
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A lot of my gal pals still game but gaming has never been close to how they'd identify themselves, plus they have/had a whole string of other hobbies. Mostly what happens is they either stop playing altogether because LIFE or stop talking on mic because buttholes. And it's not hard to drop a hobby with the welcoming parties we tend to get when we decide to be open and honest about our gender.
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:rofl this page FINALLY the internet memes come!
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treesong your king metal dragon avatar isn't showing?
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treesong your king metal dragon avatar isn't showing?
I'll fix it later but tnx
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stealin' our jerbs label
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I've seen this point being made all over the place and I just don't get it. Nobody messed with me for being into videogames in middle/high school, and I never saw it happening to any of my friends who were also really into games. I was super blatant about it too, I had gaming shirts, brought game magazines to school all the time, shit I even brought my PS2 once to play after school. I never got fucked with over that (I did for other, unrelated reasons), mainly because most of the school were playing games too. It was the 2000s. I'm 25 now, and I'm pretty sure a lot of these gamergate guys are younger than me, so I don't know where they are getting this "outcast" thing from. That's not to say that kids never get messed with for liking games, I just don't think it was as widespread as people like to say it was.
No comment on the cultural appropriation thing, because lol.
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OK ok, I take it back. Something good DID come from Gamergate.
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Double penetration
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OK ok, I take it back. Something good DID come from Gamergate.
Yeah, I've got Felicia Day's address and phone number!
(ok, bad joke, sorry. I'll go sit in the corner. I feel really bad for her.)
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https://twitter.com/alqaeda/status/524985414973935616
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https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/526190314415849473
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"like alucard slayed the fucking nazis"
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Alucard vs Nazis. I'd totally play that game
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First noted libertarian Chris Kluwe, now this blatantly anarchist propaganda, what is going on in this thread?
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Isn't that an anime or something? Hellsing?
It's too close to Hellsing to be a coincidence imo. That's literally the plot of the manga.
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I hope you're not trying to argue that our society isn't littered with some really terrible concepts of what constitutes "being a real man."
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Case in point:
I am so sick and tired of everyone with their complaints about PTSD, depression. Everyone wants their hand held, and a check -- a government check. What are you, the only generation that had PTSD? The only generation that's depressed? I'm sick of it. I can't take the celebration of weakness and depression.
See, I was raised a little differently. I was raised to fight weakness. I was raised to fight pain. I was raised to fight depression. Not to give into it. Not to cave into it and cry like a little baby in bed. "Boo-hoo-hoo. Boo-hoo-hoo." Everyone has depression in their life. Everyone has sickness and sadness and disease. And loss of relatives. And loss of career. Everyone has depression in their life. But if the whole nation is told, "boo-hoo-hoo, come and get a medication, come and get treatment, talk about mental illness." You know what you wind up with? You wind up with Obama in the White House and liars in every phase of the government. That's what you wind up with. It's a weak, sick, nation. A weak, sick, broken nation. And you need men like me to save the country. You need men to stand up and say stop crying like a baby over everything. Stand up already. Stop telling me how sick you are and sad you are. Talk about the good things in your life.
When have you last heard that? Oh, everyone's holding their hand. "Oh, welcome to Good Morning America, sir. You almost committed suicide, how interesting. Please tell us your story." Maybe a young child who's on the edge can commit suicide. What a country. No wonder we're being laughed at around the world. No wonder ISIS can defeat our military. Take a look at that. Take a look at that, why people aren't even getting married anymore to have children. They don't even have the guts to raise a child. The men are so weak, and so narcissistic, all they want to do is have fun. Bunch of losers. Just go have a brewski and look at the 49ers, you idiot, you. They won't even get married, won't have a child, it takes too much of a man to do that. What a country. You're not a man, you're a dog. A dog raises babies better than most American men do.
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breaking: JayDubs still so out of touch with reality as to believe Anita is anything resembling "radical" in her views
psychotic worldview :smug... Nuttier than a fruitcake.
You would be the expert there.
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Men resort to physical violence a lot more readily than women, I think that goes uncontested. Now wether that's due to our biological make-up or cultural influence, eh, dunno.
List of spree killers in the western world, because it's easier to guess the gender of the perpetrators:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers_%28Americas%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers_%28Europe%29
School massacres specifically, worldwide:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers_%28school_massacres%29
Honestly, I'd rather it be a cultural thing than a biological make-up thing. :goty2
PS: It's about ethics in video games journalism.
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Psychotic worldview? Wow, I'd love to live in your little bubble society.
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Women only get 75% of the kills that men do.
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So what's your position then?
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Meh, she's just an apologist it's what they do.
But I do sorta have to agree with her here. She's not saying "Men are toxic therefore they kill more people" She's saying the way that society raises men is toxic. And yeah in this case I agree. If men weren't expected to just "be men and just toughen up" maybe a lot of these killers would've gotten the help they needed. Of all the arguments she makes I think this is one of the most salient (and I tend to think her arguments are sophmorish tripe)
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I see this mentality a lot with students at both middle and high school. I feel that she can be sensationalist with her wording, but it's still a valid criticism and concern.
So too soon, then. Then let's separate the comment from the shooting and talk about it more as a societal issue. Do you still disagree with it?
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There's a difference in saying "This guys political ideals lead him to murder" and saying "If we allowed men to express their feelings and get help easier we'd see less of these."
as to "treating men as an evil to be solved" well, like I said, she's an apologist.
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Kindly point to me where she is talking specifically about this one, singular event and not the rash of shootings of the past decade as a generalized whole.
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TBH, if we were going to attack various aspects of toxic gender interactions as the root cause of mass violence i think i'd go toward attitudes towards women more than therapy. Seung Hui Cho and Aaron Rodger for example were receiving therapy and mental help. There were indicators with all of them to indicate that they might become a threat to others. They both were reeling from various expectations about getting laid and what women should be/do.
Yeah, but I'd argue a therapist would've been like "No dude. That's not ok." and dealt with it.
Of course there's a lot more to it than just the mental health thing. There's, as you said, attitudes towards women. Feelings of ineadequacy and the feeling that showing extreme masuclinity is the only way to "fit in". There's the expectations laid upon men in general. And I'd also add on to that this narrative that views men only as either inept idiots or predators.
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TBH, if we were going to attack various aspects of toxic gender interactions as the root cause of mass violence i think i'd go toward attitudes towards women more than therapy. Seung Hui Cho and Aaron Rodger for example were receiving therapy and mental help. There were indicators with all of them to indicate that they might become a threat to others. They both were reeling from various expectations about getting laid and what women should be/do.
Prole had a nice Facebook post echoing this sentiment yesterday. The rise of the internet and social media really has shone a light on this expectation that women should just give to it you since you've worked hard and "deserve it." That's not how the real world works, rejection sucks but you don't deserve anything from anyone.
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Argue with the absolutist lunatic with no feelings, brehs
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You do him wrong dude. JayDubya totally feels contempt.
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It's funny that we're not allowed to examine race relations for patterns that might explain shitty behavior in JD's world, but in gender relations when it bugs him then it's ok!
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immediately using a tragedy to push her agenda
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The kid who did that shooting was a homecoming king who was facing rejection from a girl he wanted to go out with but who didn't want to go out with him. But, sure, twisted masculine expectations definitely had nothing to do with this and Anita Sarkeesian is a horrible person who is just using this as fodder in her crusade to destroy all men because she thinks they are rapists.
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The kid who did that shooting was a prom king who was facing rejection from a girl he wanted to go out with but who didn't want to go out with him. But, sure, twisted masculine expectations definitely had nothing to do with this and Anita Sarkeesian is a horrible person who is just using this as fodder in her crusade to destroy all men because she thinks they are rapists.
Evil assholes who don't care about the rights of others are impossible, obviously.
Where do you think those come from in the first place?
This kid wasn't borne out of some vacuum, he was raised in and around the beliefs and expectations of his parents, his peers, the media, and society. Now, none of these things together or separately "forced" him into this act, but maybe, just maybe, they had an influence on the person he was at the moment he pulled the trigger, and maybe, just maybe, focusing on at least one of these particular factors might stop someone else from falling down that same hole one day in the future.
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An individual making moral choices.
Should've known this was where we'd end up eventually. :beli
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An individual making moral choices.
Should've known this was where we'd end up eventually. :beli
It exists because it does!
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ALL MEN ARE BORN ON AN ISLAND, ALONE IN THIS UNIVERSE
ALL CHOICES ARE BINARY AND PRESENTED TO YOU FREE FROM ANY PAST INFLUENCES OR ENVIRONMENTS
You know, I used to think libertopians just had no use for society, but I think I've finally realized that they don't even think it ever existed.
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That kid was obviously torn from the thigh of Zeus, a fully formed 16-teen year old with all the knowledge and wisdom of the universe. It's unfortunate that he decided, free of outside influence, to purposefully make the wrong choice.
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The kid who did that shooting was a prom king who was facing rejection from a girl he wanted to go out with but who didn't want to go out with him. But, sure, twisted masculine expectations definitely had nothing to do with this and Anita Sarkeesian is a horrible person who is just using this as fodder in her crusade to destroy all men because she thinks they are rapists.
Evil assholes who don't care about the rights of others are impossible, obviously.
As ever, it's society's fault. "Rape culture" and "privilege" must have made him do it. ::)
The concept of privilege sure does grind your gears. Could you tell me why? Honest question. Just as you don't understand me, I don't understand you and would like to get it, even if I might disagree.
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Don't be silly, as we all know it must have been video games that desensitized him to violence and hating women. Because entertainment magically makes you do things, that's just science.
You help an alcoholic with therapy, medication, and support, not by banning alcohol.
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Don't be silly, as we all know it must have been video games that desensitized him to violence and hating women. Because entertainment magically makes you do things, that's just science.
You help an alcoholic with therapy, medication, and support, not by banning alcohol.
There's no such thing as alcoholism, only CHOICES AND CONSEQUENCES
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Christ, Jaydub must be a bundle of chucklefucks to be around IRL
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See all the problems the state causes?
Just give in.
To Bob Avakian.
And synthesis. A new synthesis. Drawing from a broad range of human experience. Synthesis. A viable vision.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Synthesis
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So I'm confused. Are videogames making everyone violent And misogynists or not? What's the current fad? Let me know and I'll jump on that bandwagon
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Cool. So I should kick start that Jack Thompson fan club now right?
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breaking: JayDubs still so out of touch with reality as to believe Anita is anything resembling "radical" in her views
psychotic worldview :smug... Nuttier than a fruitcake.
You would be the expert there.
You're agreeing with the nutball politicizing and postulating the instant some random shooting happened somewhere, saying that isn't radical, and you think you can comment on my sanity.
Kindly fuck right off.
She's completely off the reservation. Yes, I realize GAF was full of lunatic fringe leftists like you, and that was an unfortunate period of my life... trying to be reasonable with an insane asylum. To you, talk about "privilege" and what not actually somehow seems reasonable in the void betwixt your ears.
Aw, I missed you, too. :heartbeat :heart :heartbeat
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I thought we already knew that libertarians are sociopaths?
Perhaps more intriguingly, when libertarians reacted to moral dilemmas and in other tests, they displayed less emotion, less empathy and less disgust than either conservatives or liberals. They appeared to use “cold” calculation to reach utilitarian conclusions about whether (for instance) to save lives by sacrificing fewer lives. They reached correct, rather than intuitive, answers to math and logic problems, and they enjoyed “effortful and thoughtful cognitive tasks” more than others do.
http://professional.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444358804578016291138331904.html
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The Sarkeesian Effect: A Measured Response (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsdIHK8O5yo)
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Cool. So I should kick start that Jack Thompson fan club now right?
Thompson actually believes that it's a cause and effect relationship and called for censorship. I don't remember much in the way of cultural critique from him, though I could be wrong. I don't think Sarkeesian has ever claimed video games cause misogyny, only that they lean on misogynistic tropes.
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that's a yt video btw. fonebone we can link yt vids here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsdIHK8O5yo
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every one of aurini's videos is unintentionally hilarious.
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um that bald goth guy is giving me gay vibes
devo back me up
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um that bald goth guy is giving me gay vibes
devo back me up
Not just gay but like angry dirty gay
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I thought we already knew that libertarians are sociopaths?
Among other definitions, sociopathy is having no sense of right and wrong and / or having no respect for the rights of others.
I don't usually find "moral dilemma scenarios" to have much actual dilemma in them, because the morally correct choice is obvious.
Being able to rationally analyze things and always respect the rights of others regardless of whether you like them or their death would save 10 others... is hardly indicative of sociopathy.
But there I go, treating your post like it was serious or on-topic, when it was just a throw away ad hom.
what was your childhood like?
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um that bald goth guy is giving me gay vibes
devo back me up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccTTevjg8O0
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um that bald goth guy is giving me gay vibes
devo back me up
Not just gay but like angry dirty gay
you have awoken the beast within me :phil
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that's a yt video btw. fonebone we can link yt vids here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsdIHK8O5yo
Is JayDub one of these guys?
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jaydub is all of those guys
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I'm sure you think that all the time, though
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I'm sure you think that all the time, though
No, he just thinks about "those" "parasites" on welfare
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if when all is said & done gamergate somehow culminates in bob avakian coming out on top that'd be great.
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how does this thread keep getting worse
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If you're "disgusted" with me for calling out what is indisputably and nakedly awful politicizing of a tragedy, then you're the one(s) who is (are) disgusting, full stop.
I appreciate this episode if only because it established why Anita S. is a nutball unworthy of any further attention.
So, she isn't wrong, it's just improper timing. Okay, gotcha.
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Talking about gender issues and raising an interest in them is kinda Anita Sarkeesian's thing, I don't know if you realized that yet or not.
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but, like, what a nutter amirite
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It's a gender issue because it is. How's that for an argument Jaydub?
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Probably sitting inside watching Neon Genesis Evangelion.
That's my childhood. Really good show. Really relatable.
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hope you're hongry
the buffet is now open
Gamergate Supporters Partied at a Strip Club This Weekend (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/10/gamergate-supporters-party-at-strip-club.html)
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BEBPO IS A GAME GATER NOOOOO
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BEBPO IS A GAME GATER NOOOOO
Huh?
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Wait there are girls who are gaters too?
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Click the link treesong posted and find BEBPO in the pic near the top
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Click the link treesong posted and find BEBPO in the pic near the top
what are you talking abOH MY GOD
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First paragraph is...
Friday night at the Show Palace Gentlemen’s Club in Long Island City, Queens, a high school senior named Dieter wearing a striped blue button-down tucked into creased khakis slumped in a plush red chair, underwhelmed by his first-ever strip club experience. “I’m not as aroused as I expected. I pretty much had a woman shove a vagina in my face and it did nothing,” he said. “I guess all the porn got to me.”
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if he thought THIS was disappointing, just wait until he interacts with a woman in a non-strip club environment!
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A Trip to the Gent-L-man's Club
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See all the problems the state causes?
Just give in.
To Bob Avakian.
And synthesis. A new synthesis. Drawing from a broad range of human experience. Synthesis. A viable vision.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Synthesis
I find your lack of faith in dialectics... disturbing.
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A large man in his 40s with a beard and a ponytail mingled self-consciously with the 8channers, some of whom were less than half his age. He’d blended in well enough in the darkness of the strip club, but now stood out in the tiny apartment like a chaperone at a school dance. His name was Mo, and he was a programmer from New York. Mo was drawn to Gamergate and 8chan by a nostalgia for the time he spent trolling the first message boards during the early days of the internet
“Gamergate is the most fascinating flame war I’ve ever seen,” he said. With a sort of fatherly pride he predicted that Gamergate and 8chan would endure, no matter how vociferous the critics were.
Prole, no! :'(
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BEBPO WHY
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BEBPO WHY
Ghosts, man. Ghosts.
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First paragraph is...
Friday night at the Show Palace Gentlemen’s Club in Long Island City, Queens, a high school senior named Dieter wearing a striped blue button-down tucked into creased khakis slumped in a plush red chair, underwhelmed by his first-ever strip club experience. “I’m not as aroused as I expected. I pretty much had a woman shove a vagina in my face and it did nothing,” he said. “I guess all the porn got to me.”
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Based on my experience with Queens strip clubs, I'm not too surprised he couldn't get it up. Gals there are as busted as some of the chicks I post in the NSFW thread on here :P
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/16/of-gamers-gates-and-disco-demolition-the-roots-of-reactionary-rage.html
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dxatvZBGXs
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Fun facts, violence and rape cases have decreased since the introduction of video games.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Rapes_per_1000_people_1973-2003.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Violent_crime_rates_by_gender_1973-2003.jpg)
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Who said games cause rape?
Anyway, here's a strong article:
http://www.popehat.com/2014/10/26/ten-short-rants-about-gamergate/
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And why was this posted, Damien? Do you actually think Gamergate is about videogames?
IIRC Gamergate has 2 sides. The games industry and its treatments of women. The other side is what Anita Sarkeesian talks about which is all a scam, but too many people are influenced by it.
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hope you're hongry
the buffet is now open
Gamergate Supporters Partied at a Strip Club This Weekend (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/10/gamergate-supporters-party-at-strip-club.html)[/img]
this is amazing
“I’m not much of a gamer, but it’s really amazing how they’ve used the platform to really go after these fuckers,” said Brennan as he sat in his wheelchair in a parking lot before the party, between trips to raid a liquor stash in the trunk of a nearby vintage Mercedes. “Like, I encourage it. They try to make me take down the board, but I’m not going to do it.”
...Inside the club, the 8channers sat around tables eating cake under elaborate rotating chandeliers. They traded the kind of rationalist locker room banter familiar to anyone who has spent much time browsing geek message boards, the dankest murmurations of the male id dressed up as pure logic. Dieter and Raj were deep in conversation about the nature of sexual attraction. Dieter believed it was an uncontrollable force of nature. He posited that it was only natural for a man to find women of one race more attractive than another. “It’s not racist,” he said. “I think evolutionary psychology plays into what you find attractive. It’s not up to you; it’s up to your dick. Your dick choses.”
...An enormous bald man named Hans, an 8channer who had flown from Texas for the party, pointed out three women in attendance, two bona-fide female 8channers, and one girlfriend, a model and actress with a neat Suicide Girl look who was the only partygoer dressed more for the club than Comic Con. “Naturally, accusations of misogyny are thrown around, but as evidenced by the presence of women, of which there are a few, it is a diverse group.” Hans paused, then winked. “By the way, table dances are $10 and lap dances are $75, if you’re interested. May I recommend Ms. Rain?”
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Who said games cause rape?
Anyway, here's a strong article:
http://www.popehat.com/2014/10/26/ten-short-rants-about-gamergate/
I am trying to make sense of his position on Anita Sarkeesian, is he for her, against her or neutral? I find it hard to believe that anyone who knows what she is doing would support her or even be neutral about it.
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Who is "he"? edit: Oh, the article I linked. Well, he's exactly what he says.
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And why was this posted, Damien? Do you actually think Gamergate is about videogames?
It is and it isn't.
People should really read the Disco comparison article i posted a page back, the parallels are uncanny.
tiesto :mynicca
I read it and it's glorious. Chu may be one of my favorite article writers these days. He's pretty much always on point. He's a personal hero, definitely.
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I'll have to remember to kick Anita Sarkeesian a few dollars the next time she puts up a crowdfund/kickstarter of any kind. Just to make these fuckboys mad :rejoice
still haven't watched any of her videos :rejoice
You know she purposes misled people about the hitman game and even made the video of it (with her controlling it) showing violence versus women when virtually no one did what she did right? That is downright despicable. But I guess I should learn to respect the scam. :(
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For or Against?
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I'll have to remember to kick Anita Sarkeesian a few dollars the next time she puts up a crowdfund/kickstarter of any kind. Just to make these fuckboys mad :rejoice
still haven't watched any of her videos :rejoice
You know she purposes misled people about the hitman game and even made the video of it (with her controlling it) showing violence versus women when virtually no one did what she did right? That is downright despicable. But I guess I should learn to respect the scam. :(
don't worry 46,000 people have pointed out the mistake to her and sentenced her to death for the error
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Actually they cant on youtube because she disables comments and likes.
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Actually they cant on youtube because she disables comments and likes.
wow sounds like she's restricting the free flow of information, how censorious
don't worry they found her on Twitter
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Actually they cant on youtube because she disables comments and likes.
I wonder why, "Anita Sarkeesian death threat" only has 138,000 hits on google
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they also made a 2 hour 45 minute rebuttal video to her initial 22 minute video explaining why she's wrong
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I'll have to remember to kick Anita Sarkeesian a few dollars the next time she puts up a crowdfund/kickstarter of any kind. Just to make these fuckboys mad :rejoice
still haven't watched any of her videos :rejoice
You know she purposes misled people about the hitman game and even made the video of it (with her controlling it) showing violence versus women when virtually no one did what she did right? That is downright despicable. But I guess I should learn to respect the scam. :(
You should read the third section of the article I linked.
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Anita's continual march despite all this makes her a modern hero.
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Fun facts, violence and rape cases have decreased since the introduction of video games.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Rapes_per_1000_people_1973-2003.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Violent_crime_rates_by_gender_1973-2003.jpg)
It's also gone down since the elimination of lead from gasoline.
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Actually they cant on youtube because she disables comments and likes.
I wonder why, "Anita Sarkeesian death threat" only has 138,000 hits on google
Because it is fake.
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As i said i have to learn to appreciate the scam.
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let me try another argument
fuck off
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u mad?
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Actually they cant on youtube because she disables comments and likes.
I wonder why, "Anita Sarkeesian death threat" only has 138,000 hits on google
Because it is fake.
(http://www.returnofkings.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/BwJNnfUCAAA9VrZ.jpg)
As i said i have to learn to appreciate the scam.
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Right-wing Christian moral guardians aren’t cool, but they used to be. It used to be their values were unquestioned truth in our society. They used to run things. And then at some point—maybe after the Scopes trial, maybe after the repeal of Prohibition, maybe after Engel v. Vitale banned school prayer—they realized they were losing.
No one goes down without a fight. They didn’t lose gracefully. They kicked and fought and spat and succeeded in repeatedly filling their opponents with fear.
But it’s 2014, and marriage equality is rapidly becoming the law of the land, The God Delusion is a bestseller, and every college has a Wiccan club. They’ve lost—not all the way yet, there’s still political muscle they can flex come election year—but when it comes to the nation’s hearts and minds, they know they’ve lost.
And what about those rock music fans who were fundamentally cooler, more in tune with the zeitgeist, more legitimate voices in the world of music culture than those “squares” at the church bonfires?
In 2013, the No. 1 and No. 2 charting songs were both disco-inspired—Robin Thicke’s “Blurred Lines” and Daft Punk’s “Get Lucky.” “Get Lucky,” which is in fact quite possibly the most disco song ever written, won Record of the Year at the 2014 Grammys. That was the Grammy Awards ceremony whose centerpiece was Macklemore, a “socially conscious hip-hop” artist, singing “Same Love” while Queen Latifah presided over a wedding of gay couples. Every single fact in that previous sentence would, if you’d told it to one of the angry rock purists of 1979, given him a stroke.
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Arthur goddamn :whoo
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I'm surprised you could read that, I mean, it wasn't a GIF
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her videos are like the most innocuous things ever. it's like:
"video games portray a lot of graphic violence against women" *shows clips from prominent video games displaying graphic violence against women*
or
"video games often have stereotypical portrayals of women" *shows clips of damsels in distress and giant titties*
then a brief bit about why she thinks these are bad. AND THAT'S IT. she even speaks in monotone and avoids inflammatory language. it's hilarious how mad it makes these losers. well, it would be hilarious but for all the death and rape threats.
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u mad?
no bitch
U mad
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Apply this paragraph to current topic with damian :whoo
Just look at the rhetoric used by angry 1970s rock fans to bash disco. It goes beyond just finding the music unpleasant, it invokes the rhetoric of legitimacy. Disco artists aren’t “real” musicians. They don’t play their instruments live, like rock guitar gods; it’s too “produced,” it’s too “studio,” it’s fake.
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I dunno guys, maybe Demian is right. After all, people who ACTUALLY WOULD GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ETHICS IN VIDEO GAMES JOURNALISM strike me as the sort who would be reasonable, not at all unhinged, socially inept fuckwits that would threaten someone's life.
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For or Against?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0WDbwRausQ
:rock torakkusu :rock
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Damian79, stop being such a fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. Jesus christ do I hate conspiracy theorists.
Let's say she changed up that one tweet, just to humor your clown ass. What about the terrorist threat at the college she was going to speak in? What about you and others going around calling her a scam and fraud cause she pointed out shit you can find in TV tropes in a video? What about all the other nasty e-mails and tweets she's been getting?
All fake? Do you really think women are just going to go around creating drama for no reason? The fuck is wrong with you? Don't be a cunt, if you just want to play videogames then do just that and stop being a pansy neckbeard.
You dont think she is making money from youtube out of all this? Her first tropes vid has over 2 million hits. Assuming no ads that is roughly 3k she earned from the first tropes video on top of the 150k she got from kickstarter.
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I dunno guys, maybe Demian is right. After all, people who ACTUALLY WOULD GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ETHICS IN VIDEO GAMES JOURNALISM strike me as the sort who would be reasonable, not at all unhinged, socially inept fuckwits that would threaten someone's life.
There are death threats and doxxing from both sides.
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What's wrong with her making money?
Nothing if manufacturing controversy is ok.
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Stupidity on parade. Man, I hate this thread.
Stupidity on parade. Man, I love this thread.
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Nothing if manufacturing controversy is ok.
It's a multi-billion dollar industry.
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Why is talking about how games are limited as a medium and exclusive towards a type of person - mostly white guys - a problem exactly? How is that manufactured controversy exactly?
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Nothing if manufacturing controversy is ok.
It's a multi-billion dollar industry.
Exactly it is a pet peeve of mine. I should really get over it.
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Why is talking about how games are limited as a medium and exclusive towards a type of person - mostly white guys - a problem exactly? How is that manufactured controversy exactly?
That is not. Have you watched her videos?
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Even if she manufactures controversy, is the reaction to her controversy really warranted? Seems most people attack her and her gender rather than her arguments. Not a good look and makes Ms Controversy look good.
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'manufacturing controversy' = 'looks at something in a way that makes me upset about my virginity'
Damian has kids.
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I've watched her videos.
Think they're basic women's studies level apologist crap. I think a lot of feminists could do way better.
Don't need to manufacture controversy about how I disagree with her.
Don't agree with her shtick. She's more than welcome to believe it.
Why? BECAUSE IT FUCKING DOESN'T MATTER!
Boat's big enough for everyone to ride.
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I dont have kids. I could have had a relationship and kids but i didnt want my kids getting a mental illness like mine so i forgone relationships altogether.
As for the reaction over it. Even Kripparion gets death threats. And he is like the nicest guy on youtube. It is just schadenfreude in action.
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Hey hey! Don't forget the death threats all these feminists are making against gamegaters!!...or so I've been told.....or so I want to believe...
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I dunno guys, maybe Demian is right. After all, people who ACTUALLY WOULD GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ETHICS IN VIDEO GAMES JOURNALISM strike me as the sort who would be reasonable, not at all unhinged, socially inept fuckwits that would threaten someone's life.
There are death threats and doxxing from both sides.
Noooooope
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I dont have kids. I could have had a relationship and kids but i didnt want my kids getting a mental illness like mine so i forgone relationships altogether.
You know the two aren't inseparable, right? There are plenty of people who either don't want kids or can't have them.
This place only has room for one person to quit on life and I ain't giving that shit up. :bolo
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I dont have kids. I could have had a relationship and kids but i didnt want my kids getting a mental illness like mine so i forgone relationships altogether.
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8i5rkLO0A1rtmlvfo1_500.gif)
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I dunno guys, maybe Demian is right. After all, people who ACTUALLY WOULD GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ETHICS IN VIDEO GAMES JOURNALISM strike me as the sort who would be reasonable, not at all unhinged, socially inept fuckwits that would threaten someone's life.
There are death threats and doxxing from both sides.
Noooooope
What about Total Biscuit?
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I dont have kids. I could have had a relationship and kids but i didnt want my kids getting a mental illness like mine so i forgone relationships altogether.
You know the two aren't inseparable, right? There are plenty of people who either don't want kids or can't have them.
This place only has room for one person to quit on life and I ain't giving that shit up. :bolo
I want kids though. If i get in a relationship, there is always the possibility that it will end up having kids with a mental illness like mine. I could never forgive myself if that happens. And yes abortion is out of the question.
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Who is Total Biscuit and why should we care?
A youtuber that is on the GG side. Hes gotten death threats all the time.
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But you talked about your kids before Damian, what the hell
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TB was getting death threats and shit before he came out as a GG shill, that's par for the course if you're an internet personality, esp one having anything to do with games. It's almost like video game enthusiasts are inherently toxic, stupid individuals with a tenuous grasp on reality or something!
Seriously, for a minute here, just stop and think:
if you care enough about ETHICS IN VIDEO GAME JOURNALISM to, you know, actually do anything other than go "meh" you're probably a fucking idiot
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But you talked about your kids before Damian, what the hell
Wait what? If i was talking about kids i would have mentioned neices and nephews. I never said I had kids. I would feel sorry for the kids.
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It's almost like video game enthusiasts are inherently toxic, stupid individuals with a tenuous grasp on reality or something!
The entire geek spectrum is like that (dunno about ranking though). Conniptions at the drop of a hat.
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TB was getting death threats and shit before he came out as a GG shill, that's par for the course if you're an internet personality, esp one having anything to do with games. It's almost like video game enthusiasts are inherently toxic, stupid individuals with a tenuous grasp on reality or something!
Seriously, for a minute here, just stop and think:
if you care enough about ETHICS IN VIDEO GAME JOURNALISM to, you know, actually do anything other than go "meh" you're probably a fucking idiot
People are trying to change the games themselves. Like no more Bayonetta as we know it. And we will probably be "sleeping with Anders" a lot more in our videogames just to avoid bad consequences in our games.
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There's not going to be another Bayonetta, but not because of SJWs.
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What? Games like bayonets are fine. Games are fine. They aren't taking away your games!
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I want kids though. If i get in a relationship, there is always the possibility that it will end up having kids with a mental illness like mine. I could never forgive myself if that happens. And yes abortion is out of the question.
But you're not having them now or for the foreseeable future because of your choice?
People might mock you for what you're saying, but Tay-Sachs is part of my background and I can empathize with your thought process because of that. (To say nothing of the hereditary mental illness in my own family tree, suicide flows across like 3 or 4 generations now from one ancestor.)
Not trying to attack you, just saying that your decision might not be as necessary as you think it is.
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I want kids though. If i get in a relationship, there is always the possibility that it will end up having kids with a mental illness like mine. I could never forgive myself if that happens. And yes abortion is out of the question.
But you're not having them now or for the foreseeable future because of your choice?
People might mock you for what you're saying, but Tay-Sachs is part of my background and I can empathize with your thought process because of that. (To say nothing of the hereditary mental illness in my own family tree, suicide flows across like 3 or 4 generations now from one ancestor.)
Not trying to attack you, just saying that your decision might not be as necessary as you think it is.
Never having because of choice. I have been diagnosed with schizo effective disorder. I probably cant make a relationship now even if i wanted to as i have pretty much shut myself out from the outside world.
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You missed this thread.
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[many posts in defense of gamergate]
i have pretty much shut myself out from the outside world.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEJrn9MlXN8
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TB was getting death threats and shit before he came out as a GG shill, that's par for the course if you're an internet personality, esp one having anything to do with games.
AHA! So you admit #Gamergate isn't misogynist!
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And why was this posted, Damien? Do you actually think Gamergate is about videogames?
It is and it isn't.
People should really read the Disco comparison article i posted a page back, the parallels are uncanny.
tiesto :mynicca
Of course, I'll say "Disco Demolition Night" was a good thing - by sending disco back underground thus greatly restricting its budgets (no more hiring orchestras or top-notch producers as was the norm during the peak of disco), it encouraged creativity to get around these restraints, eventually leading to the birth of house music. Although I can't really relate that last part to gamergate...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFuujExs03A
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I hate all of you guys <3
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"Hey these games could write their girl/women characters a bit better than these examples right here."
GOD YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT WHOREBAG CUNTRAG BITCH JUST FUCKING DIE ALREADY.
Both sides are wrong.
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[many posts in defense of gamergate]
i have pretty much shut myself out from the outside world.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEJrn9MlXN8
As if chatting on the internet counts as anything.
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http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2014/10/gamergate-destructoids-battle-with-abuse-lies-and-scandals-part-1/
http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2014/10/gamergate-destructoids-battle-with-abuse-lies-and-scandals-part-2/
Thought i just add this to the fire. I agree though both sides are wrong.
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Nope. I just like making people respond to me... AWA(Attention Whores Anonymous) here i come.
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Does it matter.
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Exactly.
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Does it matter.
:umad
Exactly.
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(http://i.imgur.com/oinhsbP.jpg?1)
game over bigot sjws
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TB supports Gamer Gate? Damn. I really liked him. Granted I'm not familiar with 90% of his gaming views. My exposure to him has entirely revolved around StarCraft 2. He started casting amateur games before becoming one of the more prominent casters. I know people slammed him for not being extremely knowledgeable about the strategy or metagame involved but he was very entertaining.
He bought a SC2 team awhile ago and has been a big supporter of esports.
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The Cynical Brit TotalBiscuit [*downpitched "EPIC" voice sample plays here*] talks about consumer rights like they are the foundation all human life rests on. Of course he's gonna go eat off some Ethics & Integrity in Games Journalism (which doesn't include him obviously, he's just a blogger w/ an opinion, never mind what the FCC says.)
:smug
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Also, this lovely incident:
http://shawnelliott.blogspot.de/2014/09/the-time-that-totalbiscuit-totally-told.html
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That led me to these videos and now I'm rethinking everything:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYqBdCmDR0M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45H25Sc6fig
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqwQqrlClbY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdV079auhCc
I think I'm going to play Defense Grid instead of Borderlands.
Or maybe Pac-Man CE...
THESE VIDEOS HAVEN'T HELPED ME DECIDE AT ALL.
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the comments on the second video (the one with the girl in the thumbnail) are SUPER CLASSY
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http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2014/10/gamergate-destructoids-battle-with-abuse-lies-and-scandals-part-1/
http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2014/10/gamergate-destructoids-battle-with-abuse-lies-and-scandals-part-2/
Thought i just add this to the fire. I agree though both sides are wrong.
Thinking there are two sides to this
:neogaf
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I think both sides are distinguished mentally-challenged
Am I wrong
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I think both sides are distinguished mentally-challenged
Am I wrong
yes
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1Aduc0IMAAh4uS.jpg:large)
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On one hand you have gamergaters, distinguished mentally-challenged already well documented
On the other you have clowns like Lime, zeldablue,besada who spend their entire day on their hugbox gaf thread
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I think both sides are distinguished mentally-challenged
Am I wrong
yes
Since when did "hating everybody" become a vice around here?
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https://medium.com/message/72-hours-of-gamergate-e00513f7cf5d
Roughly 25% of all Gamergate activity is coming from accounts created in the last two months.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1Aduc0IMAAh4uS.jpg:large)
I can't tell if this is ironic or not, oh god #gamergate is the Poe's Law apotheosis.
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Neutrality ain't a bad approach to two mobs yelling barely comprehensible insults at each other...
"This mob wants to lynch this woman. On the other hand, this woman doesn't want to be lynched by this mob. I am going to maintain my neutrality. Both sides are at fault here."
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I think both sides are distinguished mentally-challenged
Am I wrong
Yes, yes you are wrong. and distinguished mentally-challenged.
Hey which one of you people was fussing at me for calling folks "distinguished mentally-challenged?"
Incidentally, at this point it seems that no, you're not wrong.
Neutrality ain't a bad approach to two mobs yelling barely comprehensible insults at each other...
And scattered anonymous internet trolls with "burner accounts" sending death threats and personal information...
No one needs to apologize for those fucks, though. Just report them. Apparently this is hardly novel Twitter behavior, either.
It was me.
It’s still not cool.
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Get offended by distinguished mentally-challenged but use the words special fellow, Aspie and Autist brehs
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Then he's better than some people here *cough*cough*Iknowwhoyouare*cough*cough*
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Neutrality ain't a bad approach to two mobs yelling barely comprehensible insults at each other...
"This mob wants to lynch this woman. On the other hand, this woman doesn't want to be lynched by this mob. I am going to maintain my neutrality. Both sides are at fault here."
No, no, it's even worse than that. "This woman doesn't want to be lynched and thinks it would be cool if there were some non-stereotypical, hyper sexualized, cartoonish portrayals of women in video games."
When you put it like that, it becomes clear that she has to be hung.
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They are both, shall I say, silly. Lol @ caring about threats though, like anyone will actually do anything
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They are both, shall I say, silly. Lol @ caring about threats though, like anyone will actually do anything
You understand this isn't just one guy randomly tweeting a threat to you out of nowhere. I mean that's bad enough, but Sarkeesian has had thousands of people intensely angry at her for years, so why wouldn't she take it seriously when some guy that has her address threatens her?
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Get offended by distinguished mentally-challenged but use the words special fellow, Aspie and Autist brehs
I don't use any of these (post-uplifting, of course) but I'm also not stupid enough to wage war over their omnipresence in Bore Vernacular English. I just don't use them myself and (almost always) never like posts that contain them.
So many otherwise good posts I can't push the like button on because they have special fellow in them as an insult. Tears in the rain. :tocry
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Neutrality ain't a bad approach to two mobs yelling barely comprehensible insults at each other...
"This mob wants to lynch this woman. On the other hand, this woman doesn't want to be lynched by this mob. I am going to maintain my neutrality. Both sides are at fault here."
No, no, it's even worse than that. "This woman doesn't want to be lynched and thinks it would be cool if there were some non-stereotypical, hyper sexualized, cartoonish portrayals of women in video games."
When you put it like that, it becomes clear that she has to be hung.
Like a horse hopefully :-*
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That's a pretty amazing #notallmen post right there.
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What exactly are the anti gg people saying that's unreas-
oh fuck it I almost treated the randroid like a human, good thing I caught myself there
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I am totally late on this whole thing. I heard about it, but I heard that it was a fight over the actual reasons behind it?
Also, seen this on twitter from a podcaster who supports the GG side.
https://medium.com/@aquapendulum/my-letter-to-jason-schreier-about-gamergate-ethics-f890d357188
Can anyone tell me the actual story behind this whole thing?
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It exists because it does
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I am totally late on this whole thing. I heard about it, but I heard that it was a fight over the actual reasons behind it?
Also, seen this on twitter from a podcaster who supports the GG side.
https://medium.com/@aquapendulum/my-letter-to-jason-schreier-about-gamergate-ethics-f890d357188
Can anyone tell me the actual story behind this whole thing?
It's the ongoing harassment of a few women in gaming by a group of guys that were harassing them before, but now it has a name.
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And a "cause".
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Also, seen this on twitter from a podcaster who supports the GG side.
https://medium.com/@aquapendulum/my-letter-to-jason-schreier-about-gamergate-ethics-f890d357188
Word Count: 11,464
:holeup
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GamerGate isn't a reactionary conservative movement! It just HAPPENS to be supported by the American Enterprise Institute, Breitbart, Adam Baldwin, Stormfront (lol), and JayDubya.
:PP
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The Tea Party also released a statement today (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/10/28/gamergate_and_the_tea_party_why_tea_partiers_don_t_like_the_comparison.html?wpsrc=fol_tw) saying they have nothing to do with #GamerGate, they hate #GamerGate, please don't compare them to #GamerGate, please.
:umad
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(As opposed to saying something exists because you say it does, which is always lost in the trolling).
Oh, do go on. I would love to hear what this difference entails.
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:dead @ thread title change. This sucker is Hall of Shame destined for sure.
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I am totally late on this whole thing. I heard about it, but I heard that it was a fight over the actual reasons behind it?
Also, seen this on twitter from a podcaster who supports the GG side.
https://medium.com/@aquapendulum/my-letter-to-jason-schreier-about-gamergate-ethics-f890d357188
Can anyone tell me the actual story behind this whole thing?
It's the ongoing harassment of a few women in gaming by a group of guys that were harassing them before, but now it has a name.
What a steaming crock of shit.
please go on
and by "go on" I mean "fuck off"
please fuck off
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let me be real clear here
I know, personally, SIX women who have been driven out of the game industry as a DIRECT result of #GamerGate harassment
this is NOT counting all the ones I know who are polishing their resume to get the fuck out ASAP, which is basically all the rest, because what the fuck
these are women who were DRIVEN out AGAINST THEIR WILL by the DIRECT action of pitchfork-wielding hate mobs
SIX OF MY FRIENDS
so yeah: FUCK OFF
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I am totally late on this whole thing. I heard about it, but I heard that it was a fight over the actual reasons behind it?
Also, seen this on twitter from a podcaster who supports the GG side.
https://medium.com/@aquapendulum/my-letter-to-jason-schreier-about-gamergate-ethics-f890d357188
Can anyone tell me the actual story behind this whole thing?
It's the ongoing harassment of a few women in gaming by a group of guys that were harassing them before, but now it has a name.
What a steaming crock of shit.
please go on
and by "go on" I mean "fuck off"
please fuck off
Oh okay, well please do go fuck yourself if that seems like an authentic and fair representation of events so far. And by go fuck yourself, I mean sever your cock and shove it up your stupid asshole.
fuck off
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I am totally late on this whole thing. I heard about it, but I heard that it was a fight over the actual reasons behind it?
Also, seen this on twitter from a podcaster who supports the GG side.
https://medium.com/@aquapendulum/my-letter-to-jason-schreier-about-gamergate-ethics-f890d357188
Can anyone tell me the actual story behind this whole thing?
It's the ongoing harassment of a few women in gaming by a group of guys that were harassing them before, but now it has a name.
What a steaming crock of shit.
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if you don't like the way that representation of events so far sounds then maybe you shouldn't have hitched your shitty ideology to a wagon full of fucklords
also you should fuck off
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if you don't like the way that representation of events so far sounds then maybe you shouldn't have hitched your shitty ideology to a wagon full of fucklords
also you should fuck off
He's a libertarian, he was already hitched to that wagon
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fuck off
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if you don't like the way that representation of events so far sounds then
.... then one doesn't like stupid and obvious lies.
Also, go fuck yourself.
fuck off
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are you still here? I thought I told you to fuck off
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I notice you didn't reply to the fact that six of my friends have been harassed out of the game industry by #GamerGate
I guess that doesn't "fit" your "narrative"
P.S. fuck off
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:dead @ thread title change. This sucker is Hall of Shame destined for sure.
Baby Dumpster more likely.
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Nope, I know several of the same people. Soooooooooooooooooooooory breh.
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I notice you didn't reply to the fact that six of my friends have been harassed out of the game industry by #GamerGate
Is that a fact?
Sounds like a total crock of shit from someone who should busy fucking themselves.
YES it's a fact you impossibly dense piece of shit that thinks it's a man
fuck off
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this shit has ruined people LIVES
people I've known for years and years
their ACTUAL, REAL LIVES HAVE BEEN RUINED
fuck off
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I always find it amusing that people can't seem to believe that faceless internet spergtards could/would threaten these people with these sort of things. "Surely not! The internet is a place of calm and reasoned debate!"
:what
Also, fuck off.
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let me be real clear here
I know, personally, SIX women who have been driven out of the game industry as a DIRECT result of #GamerGate harassment
this is NOT counting all the ones I know who are polishing their resume to get the fuck out ASAP, which is basically all the rest, because what the fuck
these are women who were DRIVEN out AGAINST THEIR WILL by the DIRECT action of pitchfork-wielding hate mobs
SIX OF MY FRIENDS
so yeah: FUCK OFF
that fucking sucks. sorry man.
(http://i.imgur.com/z0Rl5RM.png)
it sucks they can no longer follow their dream
but on the other hand they're getting paid 40% more for 50% fewer hours in industries where they don't have to deal with people like JayDubya
win some, lose some
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I always find it amusing that people can't seem to believe that faceless internet spergtards could/would threaten these people with these sort of things. "Surely not! The internet is a place of calm and reasoned debate!"
:what
Also, fuck off.
First that, then "it's just hot air". spoiler (click to show/hide)
You broke HAL's combo. :stahp
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Why should I argue with you, man? Or any GG-supporter? Nothing will ever convince you.
"false flag" "where's the evidence" "proof!" "you can't know that for sure" "pics or it didn't happen" "she probably doxxed herself" "people on both sides get doxxed" "it's the internet, lighten up" "you can't take these threats seriously" "if she wasn't tough enough to hack it then she shouldn't have been in games in the first place" "look at this MS Paint graphic" "watch this YouTube video"
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
It's a fucking cult, and you are its brainwashed acolyte.
I've been following GamerGate since 5 minutes after it started. I saw the mob turn on my female friends one-by-one and drive them out of the industry they loved. Sometimes there was a reason. Sometimes there wasn't. Mobs don't care.
This isn't about ethics, this isn't about gaming journalism, this is and always has been about harassing women for having the audacity to speak their mind.
In conclusion:
FUCK OFF
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Guys! Guys! Chill. Actually it's about ethics in videogame journalism. See?
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let me be real clear here
I know, personally, SIX women who have been driven out of the game industry as a DIRECT result of #GamerGate harassment
this is NOT counting all the ones I know who are polishing their resume to get the fuck out ASAP, which is basically all the rest, because what the fuck
these are women who were DRIVEN out AGAINST THEIR WILL by the DIRECT action of pitchfork-wielding hate mobs
SIX OF MY FRIENDS
so yeah: FUCK OFF
Says this and then supports Anita Sarkeesian who is making money off the whole thing. What about the guy that revealing the transgender that was using money for games to have a sex change?
I dunno it seems your hate for one side totally blinds you the the wrong doings of the other. This is how the Inquisition started.
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See Patel, the mistake you're making is trusting in first-hand accounts of people you know in reality, which can easily be fabricated. Instead you should circulate all your thinking around centuries-old abstract concepts that have no empirical reality, but exist because they do.
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So demian, let me get this right- a trans person, using money made from games they created to get a sex change operation is unacceptable to you? Jesus Christ, how did I not have your feebleminded, bigoted, worthless piece of shit on ignore until today? Thanks for clearing things up.
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So demian, let me get this right- a trans person, using money made from games they created to get a sex change operation is unacceptable to you? Jesus Christ, how did I not have your feebleminded, bigoted, worthless piece of shit on ignore until today? Thanks for clearing things up.
She didnt use the money to create the game, she funneled the money to create teh game to get the sex change and didnt create the game either.
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So demian, let me get this right- a trans person, using money made from games they created to get a sex change operation is unacceptable to you? Jesus Christ, how did I not have your feebleminded, bigoted, worthless piece of shit on ignore until today? Thanks for clearing things up.
She didnt use the money to create the game, she funneled the money to create teh game to get the sex change and didnt create the game either.
GamerGate vindicated, I guess.
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Wait. Why does this matter? I mean none of gamergate matter any way but why does this particular thing of non-matteryness somehow trump this whole shit mountain of non-matteryness?
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Actually i made an error, there was no game involved.
GameZone picked up the story, writing about how back in 2013 Allistair Pinsof had written about an IndieGoGo campaign that saw the creator asking for money to have "life-saving" surgery from shrapnel lodged in their body from a car accident. However, Pinsof discovered that the money would be used for sex reassignment surgery;
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can someone teach me teach me how to dox?.cuz there's a couple people here that I think it'd be really funny to dox.
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WAIT!!!
Are you??....Are you saying that Gamergate is NOT about ethics in gaming journalism.
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Wait. Why does this matter? I mean none of gamergate matter any way but why does this particular thing of non-matteryness somehow trump this whole shit mountain of non-matteryness?
It really doesnt matter in the end. The world is gonna burn soon with muslims taking over, only a matter of time.
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Says this and then supports Anita Sarkeesian who is making money off the whole thing. What about the guy that revealing the transgender that was using money for games to have a sex change?
I dunno it seems your hate for one side totally blinds you the the wrong doings of the other. This is how the Inquisition started.
The inquisition started with a conservative institution wielding violence and threats to quell different sects, schools of thought if you will.
(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/sass2.png)
Exactly. What they did is wrong I think but then again Spain would be a muslim country by now if they didnt. *shrugs*
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What he did was wrong but Germany would be a jewish country if it wasn't for Hilter. *shrugs*
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What he did was wrong but Germany would be a jewish country if it wasn't for Hilter. *shrugs*
Exactly. Look how the US turned out.
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Mhm, mhm.
Time to read the Wikipedia article on schizoid disorder.
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have we been trolled all along, or were we in fact arguing with a grand wizard-level dipshit
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u mad?
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Says this and then supports Anita Sarkeesian who is making money off the whole thing. What about the guy that revealing the transgender that was using money for games to have a sex change?
I dunno it seems your hate for one side totally blinds you the the wrong doings of the other. This is how the Inquisition started.
The inquisition started with a conservative institution wielding violence and threats to quell different sects, schools of thought if you will.
(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/sass2.png)
Exactly. What they did is wrong I think but then again Spain would be a muslim country by now if they didnt. *shrugs*
What he did was wrong but Germany would be a jewish country if it wasn't for Hilter. *shrugs*
Exactly. Look how the US turned out.
(http://i.imgur.com/TMAW972.gif)
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u mad?
Nah, I think we've all seen chan style bait.
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The fact is that muslims have more children than westerners so they would sooner or later overwhelm the others in a country. Which is why in some European countries there are calls to get rid of them because they are destroying their country's identity.
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oh my goodness gracious
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u mad?
Nah, I think we've all seen chan style bait.
:(
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have we been trolled all along, or were we in fact arguing with a grand wizard-level dipshit
Damian has always been magus tier in discourse and comprehension. He's shown this again and again, so it's on you if you bothered engaging.
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have we been trolled all along, or were we in fact arguing with a grand wizard-level dipshit
Damian has always been magus tier in discourse and comprehension. He's shown this again and again, so it's on you if you bothered engaging.
Yeah, but he's legit crazy where as magoose is just a fuckstick
(being legit crazy doesn't excuse being a shitty bigot, but it does possibly explain it)
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Damn, this thread went places. :whew
BTW I deliver the mail at Elders of Zion HQ and we run everything, not just the U.S. (I see the postmarks on the deliveries.)
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That led me to these videos and now I'm rethinking everything:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYqBdCmDR0M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45H25Sc6fig
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqwQqrlClbY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdV079auhCc
I think I'm going to play Defense Grid instead of Borderlands.
Or maybe Pac-Man CE...
THESE VIDEOS HAVEN'T HELPED ME DECIDE AT ALL.
:hans1
But, she's not wrong about most indie games sucking and only hipsters playing them though.
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To be honest though, i dont care about muslims and what not. I just wanted a response to what i wrote.
But i do believe that muslims are gonna take over, take that as you will.
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I think everyone in this thread is getting too vicious. Damien and Jaybud are definitely dickshits, but the last two pages have been pretty vitriolic.
Remember, this whole thing is about ethics in journalism. Nothing more.
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http://youtu.be/C2QrWzsfghA
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0uZf0dCIAAwQu_.png)
oh for fucks sake :dead
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well, this thread got weird
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What he did was wrong but Germany would be a jewish country if it wasn't for Hilter. *shrugs*
Exactly. Look how the US turned out.
jesus christ almighty
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I think everyone in this thread is getting too vicious. Damien and Jaybud are definitely dickshits, but the last two pages have been pretty vitriolic.
Remember, this whole thing is about ethics in journalism. Nothing more.
I thought this was a game? I did say i was gonna post bs 2 pages or something ago.
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To be honest though, i dont care about muslims and what not. I just wanted a response to what i wrote.
But i do believe that muslims are gonna take over, take that as you will.
whats wrong with you? and i dont mean that like 'haha whats wrong with you~~' but like 'where did god go wrong and can it be fixed?'
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It is called being bored.
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I realize you consider me an easy target for your two minutes hate, but maybe you could try to be rational once in a while. You might like it.
(http://i.imgur.com/8r6vUs6.jpg)
:bow Godwin
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It is called not having a life
FTFY
Yet you are responding to me, what does that make you?
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The ANAL DEVESTATION, RECTUM RAGNAROK ITT :lol
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That your stupidity has driven me to have to shit on you as you seem to deserve it more than most?
You know what? Fuck this. There's no point, the dumb shall remain dumb.
Aww. Poor baby. You fell for it hook line and sinker even though i warned you i was trolling. Pathetic much?
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That your stupidity has driven me to have to shit on you as you seem to deserve it more than most?
You know what? Fuck this. There's no point, the dumb shall remain dumb.
Aww. Poor baby. You fell for it hook line and sinker even though i warned you i was trolling. Pathetic much?
Yes, yes you are
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Meh, you're pretty fucking stupid. You say stupid shit, and when you get shit on you go "lol I'm trolling". Sorry that this is your life and you have nothing else to do. I don't have any of your extreme inabilities so i can get in here, get into arguments, then walk out without even thinking about it. You on the other hand, all you have is this. So here you go, have it. Again, and not sure why i'm repeating myself or even responding, the dumb shall remain dumb. There was no point in the first place.
In conclusion:
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You took a little too long to write fuck off distinguished mentally-challenged fellow and repeated yourself. You are clearly the one trying too hard. And i said i was trolling before i said anything, its a bit different.
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Okay, this thread has gone full metal distinguished mentally-challenged fellow at this point. If JayDubya or Mayjus wants to let us know WHAT GAMERSGATE IS REALLY ALL ABOUT [insert 15,000 word manifesto and hour long youtube videos], they can start another thread. I'm putting a fork in this one.
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Won't let me like your post here, but know that I do, Joe, I like it and I like you.