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Title: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Wrath2X on November 28, 2014, 10:33:03 AM
Teaser was alright, looked like Star Wars. Here's a link:

http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/lucasfilm/starwarstheforceawakens/ (http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/lucasfilm/starwarstheforceawakens/)

special fellow out here.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on November 28, 2014, 10:35:16 AM
quicktime?  :ufup
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: sarslip on November 28, 2014, 10:36:21 AM
it looked aiight but  jj abrams still a moist ass director  :pacspit 

all that cgi too  :trash
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on November 28, 2014, 10:37:24 AM
Kermit.gif X INFINITY
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Post by: Himu on November 28, 2014, 10:40:25 AM
THAT LIGHT LANCE.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thabiz on November 28, 2014, 10:40:49 AM
pass
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Post by: sarslip on November 28, 2014, 10:41:38 AM
seeing Episode One on opening night, one of the spergiest spergsappointments of my teen youth  :shaq2
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Post by: Himu on November 28, 2014, 10:42:13 AM
THAT VOICE OVER :lawd
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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 28, 2014, 10:44:33 AM
Will be the first movie I have seen day 1 since.....ever.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on November 28, 2014, 10:49:37 AM
THAT LIGHT LANCE.

More like a light Broadsword but still :hyper
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 28, 2014, 10:54:23 AM
THAT LIGHT LANCE.

More like a light Broadsword but still :hyper

I hope somebody debuts light whips in this one. Sounds dope.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 28, 2014, 10:55:09 AM
Looks like a star wars movie. :yeshrug not really interested in troopera or the empire anymore.







https://youtube.com/watch?v=OMOVFvcNfvE

 :mouf
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 28, 2014, 10:56:50 AM
I am much more excited for JJ Abrams' Star Trek aesthetic applied to Star Wars than whatever the fuck Lucas tried doing with the prequels.  The last two Star Treks were pretty great Star Wars movies themselves.

This looks like great fun.  I am definitely hyped, but I am not expecting this to in any way continue the OT's legacy or wipe away the PT's sins.  Just...a fun movie!

Hilt's a little strange tho
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cheddahz on November 28, 2014, 10:58:31 AM
stormtropper looked shook at the beginning of the trailer
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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 28, 2014, 11:02:20 AM
I'm awaiting the SJW affront to this teaser on GAF

"Not enough women in power positions"

"Where are the <insert minority here> at?"
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on November 28, 2014, 11:03:45 AM
WHO CARES

:hyper
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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 28, 2014, 11:04:24 AM
WHO CARES

:hyper

I surely don't babe. I'm just waiting since it's now "cool" to be offended by the most awesomest things in this world.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on November 28, 2014, 11:05:14 AM
INDEED DONT CARE

LIGHT BROADSWORD

:hyper

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 28, 2014, 11:06:50 AM
Well, it will be a vastly different universe than the EU that was... given how bad they mucked it up, that's fine, I suppose.

But yeah, looks like loads of Stormtroopers on Tattooine 30 years after Death Star II... which is odd... and Boyega is playing or is just impersonating a Stormtrooper, Isaac is a Rebellion (or New Republic) fighter pilot?  Neat.  Will look forward to finding out more about the new folks.

EU went to shit right around the Vong invasion. What the BLUE FUCK was that all about.

OMG brehs intelligent plants are coming. Oh yeah and the force doesn't work...except it does...except it doesn't...chewbacca is dead....fuck you.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 28, 2014, 11:08:54 AM
I'm surprised they went with this instead of another full reboot (of course the latter takes more effort and talent). The 'remnants of the empire' storylines were always the most boring stuff in the expanded universe they decided to destroy, not sure why they're going with this apart from a need to shoehorn all the old characters from the first movies in. I'm sure it'll be a decent action flick since the Star Treks were alright, but as someone who considers himself a pretty big star wars guy the whole setting of this movie doesn't get me hype.

Hopefully this means we can start getting more star wars games this time :rejoice battlefront soon come

Battlefront....hell yeah I'm kicking all your borian asses on that shit.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 28, 2014, 11:09:57 AM
Well, it will be a vastly different universe than the EU that was... given how bad they mucked it up, that's fine, I suppose.

But yeah, looks like loads of Stormtroopers on Tattooine 30 years after Death Star II... which is odd... and Boyega is playing or is just impersonating a Stormtrooper, Isaac is a Rebellion (or New Republic) fighter pilot?  Neat.  Will look forward to finding out more about the new folks.

EU went to shit right around the Vong invasion. What the BLUE FUCK was that all about.

OMG brehs intelligent plants are coming. Oh yeah and the force doesn't work...except it does...except it doesn't...chewbacca is dead....fuck you.

I quit at the Vong stuff, too.  I've read plot summaries - it certainty didn't get better afterwards.

I was super glad they didn't go that route for the movies.....I had a slight tinge of fear on that.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: E-DuB on November 28, 2014, 11:11:51 AM
INDEED DONT CARE

LIGHT BROADSWORD

:hyper



This x 1000. However I found it interesting that they presented a storm trooper sans a helmet. Weren't these guys supposed to be nameless, faceless replicants? Is this bugger going to get into some shit?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 28, 2014, 11:12:33 AM
EU was and always has been trash. The only good star wars stuff is the original movies.

Timothy Zahn = no, fuck you.

Is he the guy who did the books on that blue guy? Then yes, he was pretty good.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 28, 2014, 11:13:08 AM
INDEED DONT CARE

LIGHT BROADSWORD

:hyper



This x 1000. However I found it interesting that they presented a storm trooper sans a helmet. Weren't these guys supposed to be nameless, faceless replicants? Is this bugger going to get into some shit?

He could be just "borrowing" the outfit as is commonplace on these movies.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on November 28, 2014, 11:13:44 AM
INDEED DONT CARE

LIGHT BROADSWORD

:hyper



This x 1000. However I found it interesting that they presented a storm trooper sans a helmet. Weren't these guys supposed to be nameless, faceless replicants? Is this bugger going to get into some shit?

I think they probably retconned it
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 28, 2014, 11:17:14 AM
when the emperor came to power, he realized that an army of strictly clones wouldn't cut galactic imperialism, and decided to recruit regular joe shmoes as well via local indoctrination and training facilities

I'm sad I know that
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bunny on November 28, 2014, 11:18:27 AM
Bet the white girl falls in love with the black guy, oy vey
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 28, 2014, 11:18:47 AM
Bet the white girl falls in love with the black guy, oy vey

 :mynicca

Don't hate because our stormtrooper outfits have modifications for bigger package protection, breh.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
We really know this is what would be happening (http://media.boreme.com/post_media/2009/stormtrooper-arrested.jpg)
[close]
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on November 28, 2014, 11:43:28 AM
Seriously though, the best part of the SW universe was the possibilities, and that's why i kept buying the games and occasional book / comic as a kid. Like, what kind of weird ass aliens will be on this planet. What strange part of the jedi/force will this story reveal? What kind of society is on this planet? Cool new ships/gadgets? Because for me the actual stories werent very good, it's why (IMO) SW translates so well to games, the visual and exploration aspect made it perfect for games like KotoR and Jedi Knight.

So when you see tie fighters, the millenium falcon, tatooine, stormtroopers, x-wings and you know there's a recycled cast coming (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/manny.png)

I think this makes a bad argument because of course they're showing this stuff off. You think they'd advertise what's NEW in the new trilogy when they're trying to make OT fans have a modicum of excitement? They want to butter up the old fans before anything else. Personally I never found SW like that, though I can see how you would. For me, SW was always about action and adventure in a nice package. It just scratches a particular itch and the exploratory/discovery thing was always more Trek's lane than Star Wars for me. That trailer had everything I like and expect from Star Wars: strange worlds with strange inhabitants, bad ass imagery, SPACE FIGHTS :gun, gun shoot outs, and laser swords with a nice brisk pace.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Barry Egan on November 28, 2014, 11:52:08 AM
No Adam Driver :(
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Timber on November 28, 2014, 12:03:04 PM
this is gonna be an enjoyable and completely forgettable movie. which is probably the most anyone can hope for.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: sarslip on November 28, 2014, 12:05:59 PM
it's fitting that the guy responsible for making star trek generic is now gonna do the same for star wars, as i always would confuse the two as a kid

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 28, 2014, 12:11:01 PM
As has been touched on before JJ is probably more suited for Star Wars than he was for Stark Trek at least when it comes to what I expected from Star Trek.

I think the movies will almost certainly be solid movies. I'm not sure JJ is capable of making something timeless in the way the original movies are but I guess we'll see.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 28, 2014, 12:21:25 PM
At this point, I'll settle for something competent out of the new movies, which I'm confident Abrams can deliver. Let's be real, the prequels shat all over the goodwill built up for this franchise so much that I think we'll all just be happy if we get something better than that.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on November 28, 2014, 12:22:59 PM
Light broadsword :lol That's some gimmicky bullshit.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 28, 2014, 12:28:52 PM
Ok that looks badass. I'm guessing we'll get an extended trailer for the Superbowl, with Luke/Han/Leia.

Admittedly my anticipation is largely based around the fact that there's virtually no way this could be worse than the prequels. Abrams is overrated but he gets Star Wars, whereas he clearly didn't "get" Star Trek imo and made it something it's not.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on November 28, 2014, 12:35:28 PM
Why does everyone think that Abrams is doing the entire trilogy?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 28, 2014, 12:37:54 PM
Probably most people don't follow movie news that much and since he's doing the first most people assume he would do the others.
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Post by: Himu on November 28, 2014, 12:40:16 PM
The language in a lot of posts suggests people think he's doing more than one movie though.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 28, 2014, 12:42:17 PM
He is.  He's producing all of them, AFAIR
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Post by: Himu on November 28, 2014, 12:44:06 PM
Producing != directing
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Post by: sarslip on November 28, 2014, 12:45:04 PM
gimmicky bullshit.

everything falling into place.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 28, 2014, 12:45:23 PM
writing>directing

It's not going to be hard to find someone with a nice visual eye for space shit, made even easier due to Abrams already having guidelines down for practical effects. It's harder to get a script that isn't distinguished mentally-challenged. However as I said, there's no way it'll be worse than Lucas' dialogue so I'm cool.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 28, 2014, 12:49:09 PM
I like the broadsword saber but when you think about it, the point of a broadsword crossguard is to avoid getting your hand fucked up. But if you're a jedi or sith, you're capable of blocking laser shots with your eye closed, why would you need protection of any kind lol.

But fuck it, looks cool to me.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: cool breeze on November 28, 2014, 12:52:52 PM
looks good.  looked like a JJ Abrams made Star Wars movie, some straight up Spielberg boner shots.  and the prospect of a lightsaber fight in a snowy forest is pretty awesome.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on November 28, 2014, 01:08:04 PM
I like the broadsword saber but when you think about it, the point of a broadsword crossguard is to avoid getting your hand fucked up. But if you're a jedi or sith, you're capable of blocking laser shots with your eye closed, why would you need protection of any kind lol.

But fuck it, looks cool to me.

Because the light saber offers zero protection to the hand and we've seen two hands cut off in the series from them? It actually makes a lot of sense but nerds gotta wah wah
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 28, 2014, 01:21:46 PM
I like the broadsword saber but when you think about it, the point of a broadsword crossguard is to avoid getting your hand fucked up. But if you're a jedi or sith, you're capable of blocking laser shots with your eye closed, why would you need protection of any kind lol.

But fuck it, looks cool to me.

Because the light saber offers zero protection to the hand and we've seen two hands cut off in the series from them? It actually makes a lot of sense but nerds gotta wah wah

3 times- Count Dookie had his hands cut off in the last prequel.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 28, 2014, 01:33:14 PM
oh shit you're right. I guess jedis and siths ain't shit.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 28, 2014, 01:39:32 PM
writing>directing

It's not going to be hard to find someone with a nice visual eye for space shit, made even easier due to Abrams already having guidelines down for practical effects. It's harder to get a script that isn't distinguished mentally-challenged. However as I said, there's no way it'll be worse than Lucas' dialogue so I'm cool.

Force Awakens is written by Abrams and Lawrence Kasdan; Rian Johnson is currently the only writer announced for the two sequels, though that could change.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: cool breeze on November 28, 2014, 01:48:34 PM
I like the broadsword saber but when you think about it, the point of a broadsword crossguard is to avoid getting your hand fucked up. But if you're a jedi or sith, you're capable of blocking laser shots with your eye closed, why would you need protection of any kind lol.

But fuck it, looks cool to me.

Because the light saber offers zero protection to the hand and we've seen two hands cut off in the series from them? It actually makes a lot of sense but nerds gotta wah wah

3 times- Count Dookie had his hands cut off in the last prequel.

also anakin chopped off samuel l jackson's hand.

who knows, the energy blade of this broadsword lightsaber is all crackling and unstable compared to others shown.  maybe it's meant to look more eviler, or maybe it's a sith struggle and he's can't build a proper lightsaber.

I also like the the lightsaber used as a light source.  the series is inconsistent about that but it's something in the games. 
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Raban on November 28, 2014, 02:58:02 PM
No Adam Driver :(
pretty sure he's the narrator, and I'm somewhat sure he's the sith-lookin fella
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Post by: toku on November 28, 2014, 03:55:32 PM
The best thing about the SW universe is the darkside of the foce everyone gets red light sabers, black cloaks and cool eyes. Also, they get to kill children.

(http://i.imgur.com/6DRsJA1.gif)
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Post by: team filler on November 28, 2014, 03:58:06 PM
that's definitely adam driver, hope his dorky lookin face has a mask on it
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Post by: Kara on November 28, 2014, 04:02:56 PM
when the emperor came to power, he realized that an army of strictly clones wouldn't cut galactic imperialism, and decided to recruit regular joe shmoes as well via local indoctrination and training facilities

I'm sad I know that

As the archbishop of arcana I absolve you of your nerd shame. *makes the sign of the aquila*
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Post by: naff on November 28, 2014, 04:09:16 PM
trailer nails it, it speaks deeply to that 12 y/o special fellow in me

 :mouf  :aah
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Post by: toku on November 28, 2014, 05:03:49 PM
So, I think the lightsaber looks cool
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Post by: StealthFan on November 28, 2014, 05:06:08 PM
black man doing his thing in the galaxy baby
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Post by: bunny on November 28, 2014, 05:17:23 PM
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=140773408
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 28, 2014, 05:31:11 PM
So, I think the lightsaber looks cool and all, but, I do want to point out that you couldn't actually use those sidesabers to block like a crossguard.
 
The little hilt nubs stick out near the top of the main hilt.  Those aren't made of energy.  A lightsaber would cut right through them.  You strike blades with him, and then you just bring your blade down, and then no more "crossguard," leaving sith-y with a fairly broken, maybe still functional, pretty standard lightsaber with a grip that you'd better be very careful with lest you stick it into the beam.

BUUUUUT.  Could be very useful in all those close quarter Jedi / Sith and / or Dark Jedi fights when they're striking sabers and grunting at each other, because then all of a sudden you can have your hilt spring a lightsaber into their face.

i'm sure i would just lightstab myself in the chest with those side glowy thingies, but i guess that's why i'm not a jedi or sith or whatever
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Post by: El Babua on November 28, 2014, 05:33:36 PM
I like how the force was some mystical thing in the earlier movies and is now just an excuse to make crazier looking space swords.
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Post by: Rufus on November 28, 2014, 05:34:45 PM
That lightsaber looks dumb as fuck. It already is a weapon you can maim and kill yourself with very easily, but you couldn't amputate the hand you hold it with. Now you can. Meh. Certainly wouldn't want to do any overhead swings with that thing.

Then again, wtf am I doing nitpicking Star Wars.
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Post by: Atramental on November 28, 2014, 05:37:59 PM
#CautiouslyOptimistic
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Post by: Pickles the Firecat on November 28, 2014, 06:06:31 PM
Not a big SW fan but I'm sure this will be a decent Abrams "nothing but action keep moving keep pushing don't stop or they'll notice the script sucks" blockbuster.

That Sith is Adam Driver, right? Dudes physical acting is off the charts. Swagging through the forest like a demonic presence, hobbled and hunched over because he had too many souls for breakfast. That's a man on the come up for sure.
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Post by: toku on November 28, 2014, 06:10:52 PM
It's funny that the standard for both Wars and Trek is now "please just give us something we can watch, dear god".

People hold the classics to this super high standard but even the originals weren't that great. They were fun, cool and didn't look like anything else at the times when they originally hit. People just want fun and cool scifi how is that bad? Space samurais are cool and evil space samurais are even cooler.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on November 28, 2014, 06:21:38 PM
We're getting new characters and I'm sure we'll get new worlds too. This first film most likely just a bridge. You bring them in with some thing(s) old before you hit them with something new. A spoon full of sugar and all that. I'm optimistic about the next films (and this one!)
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Post by: chronovore on November 28, 2014, 06:23:56 PM
As Himuro says, "Let's go, boner town."
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Post by: Himu on November 28, 2014, 06:30:36 PM
the snowy planet with forest :lawd
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Post by: cool breeze on November 28, 2014, 06:32:08 PM
We're getting new characters and I'm sure we'll get new worlds too. This first film most likely just a bridge. You bring them in with some thing(s) old before you hit them with something new. A spoon full of sugar and all that. I'm optimistic about the next films (and this one!)

yeah it's understandable why you'd start with the familiar before jumping into fresher stuff.  disney plans to make yearly star wars films, jumping between spinoff and mainline.  I don't think it's going to be the third trilogy.
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Post by: team filler on November 28, 2014, 07:02:05 PM
is lando in this?
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 28, 2014, 07:52:52 PM
duh, he's the stormtooper dude
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Post by: bork on November 28, 2014, 07:57:31 PM
Where was Captain Kirk?
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Post by: Atramental on November 28, 2014, 08:33:10 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/BZnYiw1.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/LnA1dH3.gif)
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Post by: Raban on November 28, 2014, 08:48:28 PM
I excitedly await RLM's review of Episode 7 that will match the runtime of the film if not surpass it.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 28, 2014, 08:49:31 PM
i'm sure this movie will sell countless plastic toys to children and fat basement gits
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Post by: Himu on November 28, 2014, 10:38:47 PM
watched it again.

yep.

still badass. :rock
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Post by: chronovore on November 30, 2014, 01:37:43 AM
http://youtu.be/53DQgbj2mIc
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 30, 2014, 03:45:38 AM
Yep thats shit hot Star Wars, I have all faith in it now that Lucas doesnt direct and JJ is on board.

Also the first 2 in the PT were shit, but the 3rd one was good.
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Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on November 30, 2014, 04:34:14 AM
The only good part of Episode 3 was Ian McDiarmid's performance as Palpatine. Other than that it was the exact some fucking bullshit. I mean I GUESS it's the best of the three, but that's pretty faint praise.
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Post by: toku on November 30, 2014, 05:17:38 AM
Only meme image im sad about losing is the Padme confrontation one near the end.

Anakin! You're breaking my heart! </3 T-T
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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 30, 2014, 09:05:59 AM
Episode 3 did have some pretty good individual scenes scattered around, but also a whole lot of really bad ones.
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Post by: Atramental on November 30, 2014, 10:46:16 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v93Jh6JNBng&sns=fb
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Post by: Himu on November 30, 2014, 10:48:49 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v93Jh6JNBng&sns=fb

:rofl
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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 30, 2014, 12:00:50 PM
Man, that's frighteningly accurate.
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Post by: Raban on November 30, 2014, 12:25:25 PM
:dead
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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 30, 2014, 12:29:27 PM
Here's a quick reference image for one segment of that trailer that might be confusing:

(http://i.imgur.com/HrBcJvv.png)

And a bonus Star Wars scene that Lucas didn't think was good enough for any version of Empire Strikes Back:

(http://i.imgur.com/1GESarD.gif)
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Post by: nudemacusers on November 30, 2014, 12:40:10 PM
^^ really? dude added rocks?!  :lol

the air traffic in the background of every scene :dead
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Post by: chronovore on November 30, 2014, 04:36:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpfWrh1scZU
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on November 30, 2014, 08:51:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBEdgPFoBjY
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Post by: ToxicAdam on November 30, 2014, 10:00:38 PM
(http://0.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/40/74/e2ad53c96cb08a09385869ebd7f1e440.gif)


(https://i.imgur.com/ETlnSxw.gif)
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Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on December 01, 2014, 10:30:34 PM
:lol Fucking Rich Evans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJgLa3eKMYs
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Post by: Atramental on December 01, 2014, 11:13:14 PM
:lol
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Post by: Oblivion on December 02, 2014, 04:53:03 AM
Here's a quick reference image for one segment of that trailer that might be confusing:

(http://i.imgur.com/HrBcJvv.png)

I don't get it. Why did he add the additional rocks?
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 02, 2014, 08:22:51 AM
Here's a quick reference image for one segment of that trailer that might be confusing:

(http://i.imgur.com/HrBcJvv.png)

I don't get it. Why did he add the additional rocks?

Because that was his original vision for the movie, he just didn't have the technology back in 1977 to make rocks.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 02, 2014, 08:28:09 AM
Here's a quick reference image for one segment of that trailer that might be confusing:

(http://i.imgur.com/HrBcJvv.png)

I don't get it. Why did he add the additional rocks?
Because R2-D2 is supposed to be hiding. Thats how you make it obvious that he's hiding.

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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Brehvolution on December 02, 2014, 08:41:21 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/ENVtBFG.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 02, 2014, 08:43:10 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T0vs9gYydo
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Brehvolution on December 02, 2014, 04:49:37 PM
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/c9867ac7a9453dae6bb42de91062c717/tumblr_nfs242WfuN1r88u00o1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 02, 2014, 05:03:00 PM
Jesus Christ does sound a bit like a Star Wars name
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 02, 2014, 05:07:21 PM
Jaysis Crossbearer
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 02, 2014, 07:40:39 PM
itt nostalgiafags

looks like horseshite, brehs

 :gurl
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 02, 2014, 07:46:24 PM
Naw, the redlettermedia boys nailed it: this is just hype building for a built-in audience. It’s working on me, though I honestly think it’s going to be about as forgettable as JJ’s Star Trek reboot -- fun fan service, but nothing else.

I’d love to be wrong, but will be satisfied if I’m right.

Well, at least I’ll be more satisfied than when I was driving home from an opening-day showing of Episode I at 03:00, wondering what the fuck had just happened.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 02, 2014, 09:17:00 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/TeFnLjn.jpg)
Gallery:
http://imgur.com/a/kbOh0
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 02, 2014, 09:18:42 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/TeFnLjn.jpg)
Gallery:
http://imgur.com/a/kbOh0

I knew dickbutt would be one of them.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 02, 2014, 09:31:33 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/t6OCpHq.gif)

:lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 02, 2014, 09:34:18 PM
Well everything I've seen from JJ has been serviceable, but lacking. Beyond the mess that is Into Darkness, 09 was an ok movie. Good scenes and action, but nothing more then an enjoyable one time movie. Same with MI3(though PSH helped a rather typical movie bad guy).

There's nothing wrong with JJ movies. They hit the right note mostly, but really never in some interesting way. They all seem safe which is strange for a person who is supposedly the "nerd done good" and a person with actual clot. His things feel creatively workmanlike.

Doesn't help that Star Wars dosen't feel special anymore. Between the terrible prequels and soon to be over saturation, the universe and the property has lost whatever mystique it had. It feels very been there done that to me these days. I mean I'll be happy to see a continuation of the saga, but honestly star wars was fine when it was just three movies and these side things that where there if you wanted them.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 02, 2014, 09:56:21 PM
I thought MI3 was the best of the series. Probably one of my favorite movies that year.
I think pretty much all the MI movies are ok.

The 1st is fun because it's crazy and I remember it having a hot chick as a kid. It's probably the best actual "spy" movie of the series.

The 2nd had thandie newton and some extreme over the topness so it was fun.

The 3rd, well I remember Phillip Seymour Hoffman being creepy and the missile bridge scene. That's it though. I remember it kind of just ending.

The 4th, cool set pieces. The Call of Duty like movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Yeti on December 02, 2014, 10:04:37 PM
itt nostalgiafags

looks like horseshite, brehs

 :gurl

At least my prostate is being tickled by an X-wing instead of a Jarjar tongue now :rejoice
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 02, 2014, 10:43:55 PM
At least Episodes 7-9 should be able to act as mouth cleansers capable of washing away the putrid rot that was Episodes 1-3.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 02, 2014, 11:50:36 PM
All that Clone Wars era shit was so fucking bad and pointless.

Like i said the best shit that came from star wars besides the movies were the games. The tie fighter sim, shadows of the empire, jedi knight series, kotor, battlefront :rejoice

LucasArts (http://i.imgur.com/WzD6Psq.png)

Kyle Katarn
(http://i.imgur.com/WzD6Psq.png)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 03, 2014, 12:49:10 AM
jedi outcast is still one of my favorite games of all time.  that level when you get your lightsaber :lawd
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 03, 2014, 08:05:00 AM
Just sayin, if I had a light broadsword I'd cut my hands off in about 3 seconds. Would be worst movie ever.

Jedi "I see you Darth Bubba, it is time we put an end to this"

Me "Shiiiiiiit I got this"

(http://wpc.556e.edgecastcdn.net/80556E/img.news.tops/NEB6EWsiaedXEI_1_b.jpg)

*fires up light broadsword and immediately lose my left arm

 :snoop
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Oblivion on December 04, 2014, 04:47:30 PM
Colbert's on #teamcrossguard

:(
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 04, 2014, 05:19:33 PM
If you're not on team cross guard you're a lame
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 04, 2014, 05:50:54 PM
My space laser sword isn't realistic enough :brazilcry
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2014, 05:52:45 PM
:lol @ dudes losing their shit on a small detail in a sci fi fantasy series with way more baffling things in it.

If you take this away from nerds you pop the whole bubble of geekdom.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 04, 2014, 06:14:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5h6BFZktJ4

#teamcrossguard
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bork on December 09, 2014, 01:28:45 PM
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George Lucas hasn't seen the new trailer for "Star Wars: The Force Awakens."

Maybe he's boycotting it over the lack of Gungans and bad dialogue.

As Rolling Stone points out, the trailer has been viewed more than 60 million times on YouTube since it was posted Nov. 28.

But none of those views was by the "Star Wars" creator.

When asked by the New York Post what he thought of the long-awaited trailer, Lucas said, "I don't know anything about it. I haven't seen it yet."

Come on ... really?

The newspaper also reportedly asked Lucas if he was curious about J.J. Abrams' vision for the film. Lucas said "Not really."

He's probably mad about Abrams "no Ewoks" policy.

Lucas explained he hasn't seen the trailer "because it's not in the movie theater. I like going to the movies and watching the whole thing there. I plan to see it when it's released."

So, a man who creates, arguably, the most popular and greatest sci-fi franchise in film history, then turns it over to someone else, isn't chomping at the bit to see what the other guy is doing with it? He wants to wait a year to see it on a bigger screen, when he can just dial it up in a moment of boredom?

I don't think so.

:lucas
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 09, 2014, 02:23:00 PM
Lucas is probably bored of the shit. It's taken up pretty much all of his adult life. Let the man move on with his life without hammering him because he isn't invested in a goddamn trailer....jesus christ.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 09, 2014, 02:27:39 PM
Yea. Besides he said he's going to see the movie. Dunno what people want from him - he's gone, we're all happy he's gone, why the fuck do people want him to validate the trailer?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on December 09, 2014, 02:28:02 PM
Quote
I don't know anything about it.

Best Star Wars news yet.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 09, 2014, 02:35:15 PM
Quote
I don't know anything about it.

Best Star Wars news yet.

Well, I guess we'll just wait for you to create a better universe and plot then. Should we get a coffee or will you be able to conjure this up quickly?

 :ufup
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on December 09, 2014, 02:39:29 PM
Quote
I don't know anything about it.

Best Star Wars news yet.

Well, I guess we'll just wait for you to create a better universe and plot then. Should we get a coffee or will you be able to conjure this up quickly?

 :ufup

:gurl

God forbid I be glad the man who helmed the prequel trilogy not be involved in this movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 09, 2014, 02:40:49 PM
Quote
I don't know anything about it.

Best Star Wars news yet.

Well, I guess we'll just wait for you to create a better universe and plot then. Should we get a coffee or will you be able to conjure this up quickly?

 :ufup

:gurl

God forbid I be glad the man who created the entire goddamn story not be involved in this movie.

Fixed that for you since your memory is about as long as your dick apparently.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 09, 2014, 02:42:03 PM
Think about it this way.

Would you rather have Lucas involved and meddling in the new shit ( :holeup ), or have him like this, as hands off and disinterested as possible?

He got paid to leave it alone, leave it alone. But disrespect for what the man accomplished is a bad look.

Get paid 4,000,000,000 for something you made up while smoking weed brehs.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Steve Contra on December 09, 2014, 02:43:01 PM
Considering the trailer looks like a soulless carbon copy of the originals for bitter nostalgics I see no reason Lucas should need to weigh in.  "Gee, I guess it looks like a movie I made in the 70s".  Abrams  :picard
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on December 09, 2014, 02:43:33 PM
Quote
I don't know anything about it.

Best Star Wars news yet.

Well, I guess we'll just wait for you to create a better universe and plot then. Should we get a coffee or will you be able to conjure this up quickly?

 :ufup

:gurl

God forbid I be glad the man who created the entire goddamn story not be involved in this movie.

Fixed that for you since your memory is about as long as your dick apparently.

So because he started the series he gets an automatic pass for doing more harm to the franchise than good?

:umad
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 09, 2014, 02:44:44 PM
Quote
I don't know anything about it.

Best Star Wars news yet.

Well, I guess we'll just wait for you to create a better universe and plot then. Should we get a coffee or will you be able to conjure this up quickly?

 :ufup

:gurl

God forbid I be glad the man who created the entire goddamn story not be involved in this movie.

Fixed that for you since your memory is about as long as your dick apparently.

So because he started the series he gets an automatic pass for doing more harm to the franchise than good?

:umad

Again, you do better then. I enjoy star wars and thank him for bringing it to me and my kids.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on December 09, 2014, 02:45:20 PM
Apparently creation is a prerequisite for legitimate criticism, dudes.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on December 09, 2014, 02:46:40 PM
Excuse me while I make a Star Wars so I'm allowed to say something bad about Star Wars.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 09, 2014, 02:47:06 PM
Apparently creation is a prerequisite for legitimate criticism, dudes.

Easy to pick on the guy who built the car when all you do is drive it, breh.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on December 09, 2014, 02:47:49 PM
Apparently creation is a prerequisite for legitimate criticism, dudes.

Easy to pick on the guy who built the car when all you do is drive it, breh.

If I could undrive the prequels I absolutely would.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 09, 2014, 02:48:47 PM
Apparently creation is a prerequisite for legitimate criticism, dudes.

Easy to pick on the guy who built the car when all you do is drive it, breh.

If I could undrive the prequels I absolutely would.

God I hope not but the potential for JJ to make you miss George is larger than you think. I look forward to a tremendous amount of lens flares though.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on December 09, 2014, 02:50:40 PM
Apparently creation is a prerequisite for legitimate criticism, dudes.

Easy to pick on the guy who built the car when all you do is drive it, breh.

If I could undrive the prequels I absolutely would.

God I hope not but the potential for JJ to make you miss George is larger than you think. I look forward to a tremendous amount of lens flares though.

What I'm saying though is if George were involved it'd be lens flares AND dry, wooden dialog about space taxation.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 09, 2014, 02:51:47 PM
Nerds.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 09, 2014, 02:53:57 PM
Nerds.

(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Qi74Tzhn3w0/mqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on December 09, 2014, 02:54:52 PM
Nerds.

THIS IS IMPORTANT :maf :maf :maf
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bork on December 09, 2014, 03:39:29 PM
Considering the trailer looks like a soulless carbon copy of the originals for bitter nostalgics I see no reason Lucas should need to weigh in.  "Gee, I guess it looks like a movie I made in the 70s".  Abrams  :picard

:lucas
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 09, 2014, 03:44:45 PM
(http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Good+guy+scumbag+lucas+this+guy+regained+my+respect+http+wwwhuffingtonpostcom+2012+11+02+george+lucas+donate+4+billion+n+2067145html+utm+hp+ref+impact_31e872_4214293.png):yeshrug
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on December 09, 2014, 03:53:09 PM
Yep. That's great. Not sure how or why you're reading my post about being happy he's not creatively involved with the new movie as me saying he's a bad man.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 12, 2014, 02:07:01 AM
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I don't know anything about it.

Best Star Wars news yet.

Well, I guess we'll just wait for you to create a better universe and plot then. Should we get a coffee or will you be able to conjure this up quickly?

 :ufup

:gurl

God forbid I be glad the man who created the entire goddamn story not be involved in this movie.

Fixed that for you since your memory is about as long as your dick apparently.

You’re being a jerk.

Lucas made something special which struck a chord with a lot of us. Then he made the Prequels, which were not good movies. And in retrospect, Return of the Jedi is weaker than the first two. It doesn’t mean GL is a bad guy, but I’m happy he’s not going to be involved with the series from here on out, because it felt like he was phoning it in.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2014, 03:31:17 AM
Official character names revealed via official trading cards

(http://i.imgur.com/1ICT4sU.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/P7sxUhV.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/nJBZUbK.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/seYXgzy.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/4gc3bDI.jpg)



http://imgur.com/a/6DJ1p
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bork on December 12, 2014, 08:42:55 AM
The sith guy seems to be Irish.  Kyle O'Ren...henceforth known as Darth Shamrock?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 12, 2014, 08:45:38 AM
The sith guy seems to be Irish.  Kyle O'Ren...henceforth known as Darth Shamrock?

Darth Hungoverious

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxMjAw/z/QUoAAOSwVZNTmRjR/$_35.JPG)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Barry Egan on December 12, 2014, 09:56:37 AM
I can't help but feel that the Clone Wars were like the monster in a horror movie: it's far more effective if you don't get too many details about actually what it is.

Naa that makes it seem like it would have inevitably sucked no matter who was at the helm.  Lucas didn't see how making the Clone Wars awesome would have yielded more sales in plastic toys so he didn't care to make it interesting.  As you suggest, a more competent team could have made something really special.  Imagine if the build up to the Clone Wars was more than just trade negotiations. :-|
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bork on December 12, 2014, 03:28:55 PM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/12/shocking-new-reveals-from-sony-hack-j-law-pitt-clooney-and-comparing-fincher-to-hitler.html?via=twitter_page
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Unless you’ve been living under a rock, you’re probably aware that Star Wars: The Force Awakens, J.J. Abrams’s continuation of the Star Wars story, will hit theaters late next year, and there are several other planned Star Wars films by Rian Johnson (Looper), Gareth Edwards (Godzilla), and Josh Trank (Chronicle). An email dated September 20, 2014, from Michael De Luca, President of Production for Columbia Pictures, to Amy Pascal discusses the plans for Disney’s upcoming Star wars films—and may have spilled some interesting new details.

“Star Wars: Any studio would have lost josh trank and rian Johnson to this, it's freaking Star Wars. Your After Earth writer Gary Whitta is writing Gareth Edwards stand alone Star Wars film. Simon Kinberg is writing Josh Tranks. No one knows what they're about but Boba Fett is rumored to be the subject of one. Rian Johnson as you know is doing the main ones, episodes 8 and 9 of the Luke and Leia story lines, after JJ. Not sure anything is gained by looking at what Lucasfilm is doing except we are stalking all these people too, except Whitta whom I think blows.”

 :whoo :whew :sabu
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2014, 03:38:43 PM
Gary Whitta is fucking terrible.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 12, 2014, 05:51:24 PM
Dude wrote some kinda decent Fallout fanfiction and GAF thinks he's some kinda nerd messiah.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2014, 05:53:03 PM
gary whitta's walking dead 1 chapter was the worst thing
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Barry Egan on December 12, 2014, 06:41:25 PM
Come on, the guy is still early in his film career and he's already been nominated! (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1729428/awards?ref_=nm_awd)  Buncha haters.  :beli
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bork on December 12, 2014, 07:19:20 PM
Come on, the guy is still early in his film career and he's already been nominated! (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1729428/awards?ref_=nm_awd)  Buncha haters.  :beli

:rofl

I just can't get over him logging back onto GAF just to delete or edit his old Star Wars bashing posts!  :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on December 12, 2014, 09:15:24 PM
a paycheck changes things b
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 13, 2014, 03:20:39 AM
Seriously...stop hating on a fella...fuck.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 13, 2014, 03:20:46 AM
Seriously...stop hating on a fella...fuck.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 13, 2014, 10:29:41 AM
Whitta is living his dream and finds six figure checks in his mailbox. I'm not going to hate on him.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on December 13, 2014, 10:50:39 AM
Since when is merely earning an income a valid deflection for criticism? Are we gonna act like his body of work isn't mostly awful? There are plenty of worse people out there, but dudes track record is straight trash.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mupepe on December 13, 2014, 11:26:11 AM
Book of Eli was pretty entertaining up to the twist. That was garbage
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 13, 2014, 11:28:30 AM
Meh, my reaction is who cares. Dude is a fanboy I used to talk nerd shit with who is now writing Star Wars movies. Is he a bad writer? Sure. Do I give a shit? Nah. Good for him.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 13, 2014, 12:57:07 PM
Thera ended up having a shitty show on MSNBC, who cares

:yeshrug
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 13, 2014, 04:30:28 PM
Book of Eli was pretty entertaining up to the twist. That was garbage

Whitta lucked out on that one by getting attached to a really visual director and a producer who could pull together a decent cast.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bork on December 13, 2014, 05:12:02 PM
Thera ended up having a shitty show on MSNBC, who cares

:yeshrug

Who is Thera?

EDIT: Ronan Farrow.  Never seen him.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on December 13, 2014, 05:19:00 PM
I liked Book of Eli, twist and all.

:yeshrug
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bork on January 21, 2015, 04:23:17 PM
Quote
Disney ditched my ideas for 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens,' George Lucas says (http://www.cnet.com/news/george-lucas-says-disney-ditched-his-ideas-for-star-wars-the-force-awakens/#ftag=YHF65cbda0)

The creator of "Star Wars" says Disney "didn't really want" to use his ideas and came up with something new instead.

 "Star Wars" creator George Lucas may have relinquished control of his space-faring franchise when he sold the rights to Disney back in 2012, but those wondering how much of the director's influence will find its way into the plot of the upcoming seventh installment may now have an answer -- not much.

Following comments that he had started to craft some ideas for a new "Star Wars" trilogy before Lucasfilm was acquired, Lucas was asked in an interview with Cinema Blend published Tuesday to divulge some of the ideas he had cooked up for new "Star Wars" material.

"Well, the ones that I sold to Disney and everything, they came up to the decision that they didn't really want to do those," Lucas told Cinema Blend. "So they made up their own. It's not the ones that I originally wrote."

There will doubtless be many sci-fi fans claiming relief at the news that Lucas' ideas won't be making it into "Star Wars: The Force Awakens", which is scheduled for release in December. Widespread criticism of the CGI-heavy prequel trilogy that arrived between 1999 and 2005 has seen Lucas' cachet within the geek community drop. This even led to viral hits such as a mocking rework of the first "Force Awakens" trailer that imagines what the new film could look like with Lucas in the driving seat.

Are "Star Wars" fans altogether too eager to give Lucas a hard time though? I'd argue that while there's little to redeem the prequel movies, Lucas is the father of the "Star Wars" universe beloved by so, so many. It's his world we're daydreaming in when we spend long, dull meetings imagining epic lightsaber battles, or spicing up a boring commute with some Duel of the Fates. If I was in Disney's position, I would have thought long and hard before casting aside any ideas that poured directly out of Lucas' grey matter.

(http://legunaselitegamers.freeforums.org/images/smilies/jCAvT7h.png)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 21, 2015, 04:35:47 PM
Great now if 7 sucks, everyone will be like 'they should have kept with GL's vision.'
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 21, 2015, 05:18:43 PM
I'm sure some of his ideas are still in there somewhere, but it's kind of a good idea to get a rewrite by someone who is actively involved in the movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 21, 2015, 06:30:02 PM
GL burned through three chances to get Star Wars right, and blew them all.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on January 21, 2015, 06:42:05 PM
I'd bet Disney probably had an idea what they wanted to do with the story before they payed four billion dollars to get SW out of Lucas' hands. Of course they immediately threw his ideas in the incinerator.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2015, 11:10:32 PM
to be fair...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UGV7WVB-bA
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on January 22, 2015, 01:20:28 AM
Now we'll never know how Darth McPoopyPants was ever going triumph against Snoo Snoo the lovable apelike monster!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 22, 2015, 04:16:32 AM
Now we'll never know how Darth McPoopyPants was ever going triumph against Snoo Snoo the lovable apelike monster!
Yeah, when GL started letting his kids name characters in the Prequels, and then made everyone someone else’s father, including See-Threepio, I was like:
:kobeyuck

The original trilogy is a lovely frayed mesh of references to things which are never seen or heard from again, allowing the viewer’s mind to extrapolate a rich background. Perhaps the Prequels greatest offense was showing us that, no, Lucas really only had a few characters and the worlds were at best sketched out. He’s no Tolkien.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on April 16, 2015, 02:09:52 PM
Better but still kinda aimless. Gonna give it a pass since it's a teaser though. Looking decent.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 16, 2015, 02:14:03 PM
:rock

I'd rather have an aimless trailer than one that gives away the whole damn movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2015, 02:15:47 PM
lol, I left the house to return from my lunch break shortly before the trailer was released.
:fbm

Now I have to wait until this evening to catch it, all while dealing with nerds who no doubt took lunch off JUST to watch it.

:stahp
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 16, 2015, 02:18:22 PM
That got me hyped as fuck
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 16, 2015, 02:19:31 PM
Get :umad over a trailer release, brehs.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: zomgee on April 16, 2015, 02:29:17 PM
Kinda losing my mind with how happy I am with that trailer. If I don't reel in my expectations it's going to be Episode I all over again.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on April 16, 2015, 02:36:55 PM
That looks great. More pulpy sci-fi action adventure, less space politics. Hopefully, anyway.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on April 16, 2015, 02:37:11 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/i9tV2iN.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 16, 2015, 02:38:37 PM
It looks good, but Star Wars just doesn't give me the 'charge' it used to. The prequels really ruined the magic of those movies.

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Post by: demi on April 16, 2015, 02:49:25 PM
Good teaser. Still no Kyle Katarn though.

Jedi Knight :rejoice
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Quaker on April 16, 2015, 02:54:28 PM
Never forget. 

http://youtu.be/bD7bpG-zDJQ
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bork on April 16, 2015, 02:58:13 PM
SPOILER: HAN DIES

spoiler (click to show/hide)
In The Fast & The Furious movies.

:heyman
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 16, 2015, 02:59:02 PM
Never forget. 

http://youtu.be/bD7bpG-zDJQ

thats a terrible trailer
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on April 16, 2015, 03:10:40 PM
that was pretty cool
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bork on April 16, 2015, 03:11:19 PM
I'm kind of blown away by how bad The Phantom Menace's trailer looks compared to how I remembered it.

We were all younger n' dumbererer at the time, plus the Phantom Menace was a much bigger deal as it was first new Star Wars movie since the original trilogy.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 16, 2015, 03:25:48 PM
This is going to be amazing

Hnnnnnnggggg
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Steve Contra on April 16, 2015, 03:28:00 PM
Eh, Abrams.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 16, 2015, 04:16:44 PM
I'm not even bothering to temper my expectations, I'm just gonna get hype as fuck and let the chips fall where they may.  :lucas
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Yeti on April 16, 2015, 04:29:58 PM
That's a good plan, because even if the movie is terrible at least you will get the enjoyment from they hype rather than getting no enjoyment at all
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2015, 04:36:33 PM
Haven't seen the trailer yet but my general assumption is that there's no way it can be worse than the prequels.
:yeshrug

Quite a low bar but hey...
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: king of the internet on April 16, 2015, 04:44:34 PM
I'm not even bothering to temper my expectations, I'm just gonna get hype as fuck and let the chips fall where they may.  :lucas

Even if the movies end up disappointing, those are some damn good trailers. I haven't fucked with Star Wars that heavily for most of my adult life but that shit's got me a little heated. :whew
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: mormapope on April 16, 2015, 04:46:11 PM
I like everything involving the new characters and Luke.

Those other crusty ass characters returning though?  :kobeyuck

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Huff on April 16, 2015, 05:47:05 PM
Well I didn't expect Luke's son to be black
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 16, 2015, 06:18:18 PM
I'm so hyped up for this, I ain't even care.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2015, 06:43:11 PM
:lawd

That last shot gave me a big ass smile. I'm in.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: cool breeze on April 16, 2015, 06:56:29 PM
 (http://i.imgur.com/umSzUjp.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 16, 2015, 07:02:26 PM
Isn't that guy a little ...tall... to be a stormtrooper?
Title: Re: gG!!mnvty@f@yj%@t
Post by: zomgee on April 16, 2015, 08:00:43 PM
TGCQGhxcfacj!nsuyvgdhfsdfsddsfEQDHIODYUzvgYg!uf!!f<ig!ccmh!cgjh!vj!b<! <!<uyf!yu!fykuvuy!v!!!1

I'm with ya man.
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Post by: benjipwns on April 16, 2015, 08:16:06 PM
Was hoping for part where the person driving across a bleak landscape at the start went off a cliff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PM1pvOzn_w
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Post by: nudemacusers on April 16, 2015, 08:48:49 PM
:lawd

That last shot gave me a big ass smile. I'm in.
lol pretty much.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on April 17, 2015, 12:05:18 AM
I like that it's Imperial Remnant instead of... well it's best not to think about the EU's rogues gallery.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on April 17, 2015, 01:14:26 AM
Should be Admiral Daala tbh

:noah
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on April 17, 2015, 01:19:04 AM
The Imperial Remnant was a specific formation of Imperial governance (or lack thereof I should say, :RothbardCry:), not a broad umbrella term Esch. :ufup

Don't make me start talking about Warlord Zsinj's fiscal policies. :bolo
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: nudemacusers on April 17, 2015, 01:46:23 AM
we have a gay thread no need to clutter this one up with EU stuff :ufup
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Barry Egan on April 17, 2015, 08:24:16 AM
Crusty Harrison Ford.  :yuck God that dude sucks. 

Also I was kind of hoping for more Adam Driver.   :'(

Really nice trailer though, other than him.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Eel O'Brian on April 17, 2015, 11:37:26 AM
STAR WAR EPISODE 7:
THE LAST NEW HOPE AGAIN

IT IS NIGHT ON DANGOBAH. LUKE SKYYWALKKER IS STIRRING A POT OF SWAMP STEW ON A FIRE IN FRONT OF HIS SWAMP HOUSE. HE IS OLDER AND DRESSED UP LIKE HIS JEDI COSTUME FROM BEFORE. ALL OF THE SUDDEN THE MILLIONIUN FALCON UNCLOCKS AND APPEARS OUT OF NOWHERE AND LANDS IN FRONT OF HIM. IT HAS BEEN MANY YEARS SINCE LUKE HAS SEEN THE PLANE AND IT HAS HAD MANY THINGS ADDED TO IT SUCH AS STEALTH CLOCKING. HAND SOLO AND CHEWBACKA STEP OUT OF THE FALCON AND WALK OVER TO LUKE AND HAND COCKLY GRINS AT LUKE.

HAND: Hey kid

LUKE: Hello Hand Solo

HAND: What an interessting smell you have in that pot

LUKE: Would you like some stew

HAND: No thanks I am trying to quit haha

LUKE: What brings you to DANGOBAH after all these years apart

HAND: I just came by to warn you that DARK VANER is not dead

CHEWBACKA BARKS IN AGREEING WITH HAND SOLO

LUKE: But I saw him die and burned him up, that is not possible

HAND: It is possible because of the FORCE, so he is not dead anymore

LUKE: I am a peaceful man now and want to live in peace on DANGOBAH and menditate, but I will do my jedi duty and kill and burn him again

HAND: He is alive and starting another STAR WAR

LUKE: Hand will you fight in the STAR WAR with me like old times

HAND: No kid I am an old rouge and a smungler so i can not be in the rebels anymore

LUKE: Princes LEEA will not be happy to hear that, you two were suppose to be marry

HAND: That was a long time ago and far away kid, i got no time for girls nor wars nor women in my life no more i am a bussnessman now and cannot keep pulling your butts out of the fires anymore

CHEWBACKA BARKS LIKE A LAUGH

HAND: Do not backsass me fuzzball haha

LUKE: You have stayed the same, it was nice seeing you and i would visit some more but i have a job to do and that job is killing DARK VANER again for the second time and burning him

ALL OF THE SUDDEN A SWARM OF TIE FIGHTERS UNCLOCK IN THE SWAMP AND AIRBORN STORMTROOPS JUMP OUT ALL AROUND LUKE AND HAND WITH BLASTERS

LUKE: It looks like you were to late Hand here come the stormtroops so you will have to fight after all

HAND: This is another find mess you have gotten me into kid haha

HAND WHIPS OUT HIS BLASTER AND CHEWBACKA TAKE HIS CROSSBOLT OFF HIS BACK. LUKE DOES A FLIP AND STARTS UP HIS LIGHTSAVER IN MID AIR. HE LANDS BESSIDE HAND AND NODS AT HIM AS THE STORMTROOPS CHARGE AT THEM

HAND: Lets do this kid

LUKE: The new STAR WAR has began.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 17, 2015, 11:40:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYHdQUyOunA

fucking lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on April 17, 2015, 11:45:09 AM
STAR WAR EPISODE 7:
THE LAST NEW HOPE AGAIN
Wow, spoilers tags please. Mods help?

Also, are we allowed to post leaked scripts on here in their entirety?!?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on April 17, 2015, 11:59:59 AM
Han roughly grabbed Luke's lightsaber and turned it on, extending it to its full length.

"Is this your first time?" Han asked.

"Yes," Luke breathed huskily.

"It might hurt a bit..."

Han thrust the saber into Luke's backside.

"Use some Force, Han!" Luke shouted.

Chewey stood off to the side and uttered a wookie cry.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Eel O'Brian on April 17, 2015, 12:09:38 PM
you ruined it
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: nudemacusers on April 17, 2015, 12:12:23 PM
can you force choke as ass to tighten? :ohhh
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on April 17, 2015, 12:18:23 PM
you ruined it

Do you mean this thread or The Bore in general, cause either answer is fairly justified.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 17, 2015, 06:42:52 PM
Han roughly grabbed Luke's lightsaber and turned it on, extending it to its full length.

"Is this your first time?" Han asked.

"Yes," Luke breathed huskily.

"It might hurt a bit..."

Han thrust the saber into Luke's backside.

"Use some Force, Han!" Luke shouted.

Chewey stood off to the side and uttered a wookie cry.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZEJSW.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2015, 06:45:42 PM
Han roughly grabbed Luke's lightsaber and turned it on, extending it to its full length.

"Is this your first time?" Han asked.

"Yes," Luke breathed huskily.

"It might hurt a bit..."

Han thrust the saber into Luke's backside.

"Use some Force, Han!" Luke shouted.

Chewey stood off to the side and uttered a wookie cry.

(http://i.imgur.com/PkPcvwm.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on April 17, 2015, 06:47:14 PM
I think it maaaaaybe only needs one addition at the end.

[STAR WAR FIGHTS HAPPEN]
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on April 19, 2015, 05:03:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NELx1y8cr1M

 :lawd
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on April 19, 2015, 06:13:04 PM
i love the thread title
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Sausage on April 19, 2015, 06:16:11 PM
That trailer just made me jizz all over my ass
Title: 6 Reasons The Jedi Would Be The Villain In Any Sane Movie
Post by: chronovore on April 22, 2015, 08:13:23 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_22320_6-weird-ways-star-wars-had-us-rooting-psychopaths.html

Quote
And if you've seen the movie, you know Anakin's "mindful" move is to hide in the cockpit of a working starfighter and immediately bumble into the war. Which seems like a great time to remind you: If you ate a pound of shredded newspaper, your shit would write a better movie than The Phantom Menace.

:dead
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 23, 2015, 02:11:57 AM
Honestly, I don't think phantom menace is a good movie. But it's lightyears better than Episode 2.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 23, 2015, 02:55:45 AM
Nah. Phantom Menace at least had Darth Maul. Clones is trash on every level and is easily the worst of the prequels.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 23, 2015, 09:16:33 AM
AotC had some good action scenes, but the "romantic" subplot between Anakin and Padme was just so awful. And don't get me started on how 50% of the plot got completely negated by the sudden arrival of the clone army that Obi-wan was investigating.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 23, 2015, 09:33:48 AM
I'd rather watch the pod race sequence than have to watch that stupid factory sequence or that flying car chase in AotC any day.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on April 23, 2015, 10:24:19 PM
Agreed that the two plotlines make AotC pointless:
- GL's painfully bad love story
- Obi-Wan spending the entire movie investigating a mystery which is then inexplicably accepted as fait accompli by the Jedi (and the galaxy at large)

TPM is a hot mess, but it almost has a coherent story arc:
- Naboo is imperiled
- Let's escape and get help
- Let's go back and free Naboo

Bullshit side characters of both the Jar-Jar and Darth Baby variety do not prevent the entire movie from making sense.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on April 23, 2015, 10:45:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQxrJBNQg4A

The Phantom Menace justified*. (And the intercutting between this fight, Jar-Jar fighting the robots, whatever Padme is doing and Anakin's stupidity with R2 was the last time George Lucas actually edited anything in a way that enhanced it.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMylmOlot4g

I think Lucas has even admitted he never should have killed Darth Maul. It's like the one error he's admitted to.

*For me the part with the shields justifies it alone. Because I'm an easy date. (Proof: I liked the whole scheme in Phantom Menace, it made more sense than Palpatine's subsequent ones.)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Revenge of the Sith is garbage. So is Attack of the Clones because they fuck up Obi-Wan's mystery plot. The Pod Race is the worst thing ever because it stops the entire movie to insert another movie, the Jedi were headed somewhere when the ship gets damaged or something, they stop on Tatooine for a part and get involved in the plot of some kid slave racing film that just happens to be the taco they need to have help The Empire rule the galaxy.

The chase scene in AotC is similar, and like half of RotS is similar.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 23, 2015, 11:43:34 PM
The opening to TPM was also great.  They are trying to gas us?  Time to fuck shit up. 
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on April 23, 2015, 11:45:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQxrJBNQg4A

I subscribe to the opinion expressed in the Plinkett review that this fight is so meticulously choreographed that it's actually less exciting for it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on April 23, 2015, 11:48:13 PM
Real talk: I love podracing. Sebulba is mai husbando. :uguu
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on April 23, 2015, 11:51:05 PM
Better be talking about this, especially since you didn't make a thread for Lenin's birthday:
(http://pics.mobygames.com/images/covers/large/937525914-00.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Yeti on April 24, 2015, 03:15:37 AM
Real talk: I love podracing. Sebulba is mai husbando. :uguu

I was disappointed when it didn't spawn a "Tales from the Boonta Eve Podrace".

(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140626081538/starwars/images/d/d0/TMEC-Paperback.png)(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20050503035241/starwars/images/3/39/TalesBounty.jpg)(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20050503004927/starwars/images/8/81/TalesJabba.jpg)

The GOAT EU books :lawd
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 24, 2015, 01:20:58 PM
Still could never get over the fact that Anakin built his mom, a slave, a walking google translator. How about a fukin dishwasher? :neogaf
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 24, 2015, 02:00:25 PM
Still could never get over the fact that Anakin built his mom, a slave, a walking google translator. How about a fukin dishwasher? :neogaf

Anakin being C3PO's creator never made a bit of sense.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: cool breeze on April 24, 2015, 02:04:50 PM
I like it for making the robots seem like assholes by never mentioning any of it to Luke. 
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on April 24, 2015, 02:16:34 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Better be talking about this, especially since you didn't make a thread for Lenin's birthday:
(http://pics.mobygames.com/images/covers/large/937525914-00.jpg)

The arcade cabinet for this. :lawd
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bork on April 24, 2015, 02:19:05 PM
Better be talking about this, especially since you didn't make a thread for Lenin's birthday:
(http://pics.mobygames.com/images/covers/large/937525914-00.jpg)

ANAKIN SKYWALKER POSTER  :hyper :hyper :hyper :omg
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 25, 2015, 11:21:11 AM
Looks like Rogue One is going to about the rebel spies who stole the Death Star plans.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 25, 2015, 11:25:14 AM
Still could never get over the fact that Anakin built his mom, a slave, a walking google translator. How about a fukin dishwasher? :neogaf

Anakin being C3PO's creator never made a bit of sense.
Also highlights how small Lucas kept making the world in order to capitalize on existing characters. Storm troopers? They're all clones of Boba Fett's dad!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on April 25, 2015, 01:41:09 PM
Looks like Rogue One is going to about the rebel spies who stole the Death Star plans.

Spoilers: many Bothans die.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 25, 2015, 02:01:04 PM
I like it for making the robots seem like assholes by never mentioning any of it to Luke. 

Pretty sure they get their memories wiped at some point. 
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on April 26, 2015, 04:14:09 AM
I like it for making the robots seem like assholes by never mentioning any of it to Luke. 

Pretty sure they get their memories wiped at some point.

That was stated a few places in interviews, but never in the movies.

Pretty sure See-Threepio is just an asshole.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on April 26, 2015, 08:15:28 PM
It was explicitly stated in the movies that Bail Organa had Threepio's memory wiped. 
Oh, shit, you’re right. I remember it now from Ep. III, when they’re expositioning like mad to get the twins away and safe. Man, that was goofy and awkward.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2015, 12:02:11 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93uSIKzPmik
:dead
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Post by: seagrams hotsauce on May 12, 2015, 06:50:51 PM
Not sure if this belongs here or the clickhole thread
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/12/opinions/star-wars-isis-islam/index.html
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 12, 2015, 07:07:32 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_22320_6-weird-ways-star-wars-had-us-rooting-psychopaths.html

Quote
And if you've seen the movie, you know Anakin's "mindful" move is to hide in the cockpit of a working starfighter and immediately bumble into the war. Which seems like a great time to remind you: If you ate a pound of shredded newspaper, your shit would write a better movie than The Phantom Menace.

:dead

Quote
Apparently, being stupid in the Star Wars universe is a serious enough crime that your free will can be taken from you by some dick wizard.

Is this what happened to Andrex?  :-\ :-\
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Post by: Tasty on May 12, 2015, 07:12:02 PM
:hitler
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on May 15, 2015, 02:40:17 AM
Seriously, GOD DAMN I dislike the prequels.

So happy George is no longer involved with the series. Someone needed to call Childhood Protective Services years ago.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on July 11, 2015, 05:04:57 AM
https://youtu.be/CTNJ51ghzdY
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Barry Egan on July 11, 2015, 05:21:27 AM
:lucas
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on July 11, 2015, 07:56:53 AM
So fucked up how they have to be like "hey guys look practical fx! Live sets!"
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on July 11, 2015, 10:18:10 AM
So fucked up how they have to be like "hey guys look practical fx! Live sets!"

I think it's super awesome. I am not even lying. Watching any part of the prequels and seeing how much of it is just copious, unnecessary green screen garbage, it's just frustrating to see how far George let himself fall from what worked in the original movies. These things are going to be a nostalgia-fest, and I guess I'm OK with that for Star Wars.
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Post by: nudemacusers on July 11, 2015, 10:45:12 AM
So fucked up how they have to be like "hey guys look practical fx! Live sets!"

I think it's super awesome. I am not even lying. Watching any part of the prequels and seeing how much of it is just copious, unnecessary green screen garbage, it's just frustrating to see how far George let himself fall from what worked in the original movies. These things are going to be a nostalgia-fest, and I guess I'm OK with that for Star Wars.
I wasn't huge into star wars as a kid but one thing I did like about it is how worn-in and grimy a lot of the settings were. even spaceships felt lived-in. that was completely lacking from the hyper-polish of the prequels.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 11, 2015, 11:23:17 AM
https://youtu.be/CTNJ51ghzdY

:tocry
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2015, 11:29:35 AM
So fucked up how they have to be like "hey guys look practical fx! Live sets!"

I think it's super awesome. I am not even lying. Watching any part of the prequels and seeing how much of it is just copious, unnecessary green screen garbage, it's just frustrating to see how far George let himself fall from what worked in the original movies. These things are going to be a nostalgia-fest, and I guess I'm OK with that for Star Wars.
I wasn't huge into star wars as a kid but one thing I did like about it is how worn-in and grimy a lot of the settings were. even spaceships felt lived-in. that was completely lacking from the hyper-polish of the prequels.

George said that was because the republic was in good shape back then and everything was colorful and new.

 :jawalrus
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 11, 2015, 11:41:03 AM
More practical effects wouldn't have saved the PT, of course, but it reflected an overall approach to making those movies that completely sank them: Lucas's overwhelming belief that any and all problems could be fixed in post with another layer of CG.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2015, 11:48:37 AM
I started watched the Clone Wars tv series after having never watched it before. It's not bad and its more enjoyable than the prequels but watching it, its still has to labour under all the fucked up things the prequels get wrong.

It's just everything. Everything is wrong with what George did. I don't have any illusions that abrams will make anything as good as the original films but its literally impossible for him to make anything as misguided as the prequels.   
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2015, 01:18:23 PM
Agreed. The film could be average, it could be good, who knows. But there's no way it can be worse than the prequels.

I love the practical effects. That's the type of "fan service" I can cosign. The beauty of films like Alien, Star Wars, etc was the sense of wonder and amazement at the...well, art. Even as a kid I'd watch the documentaries and behind-the-scenes for those films, and it really opened my mind creatively and was part of the reason I got into drawing, arts and crafts, etc. Whereas nearly everything in the prequels and most films today is CGI. Yes creating stuff on a computer is interesting, but it's also a studio crutch to me. Time and money wise it's basically a studio throwing some dough at an (underpaid) company to create something that almost never looks that much different or better from the hundreds of other CGI filled films that come out each year.

This Star Wars looks fresh. Those behind the scenes pics look beautiful, the trailer was great, etc. Even if it's not a good film it's going to be great seeing a well crafted world brought to life.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on July 11, 2015, 03:16:44 PM
Pleeeeease let the one-two punch of this and Fury Road push Hollywood toward relying less on CG. Pleeeease.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 11, 2015, 03:43:27 PM
Incidentally, if you watch ANH and ESB back to back, the visual upgrades in Empire are mind-blowing. Everything looks 1000% better.

It's a really big leap forward in just 3 years, which is pretty incredible considering that ILM was doing things in 77 that nobody else had even come closer to before. An even more striking difference between two thematically similar scenes is the Battle of Yavin from A New Hope and the Battle of Endor from Return of the Jedi. Six years of experience and technological improvement [and a much bigger budget] made quite a difference.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 11, 2015, 04:06:35 PM
Is there any way to watch a blu ray of the originals without the extra cg crap?

So fucked up how they have to be like "hey guys look practical fx! Live sets!"

I think it's super awesome. I am not even lying. Watching any part of the prequels and seeing how much of it is just copious, unnecessary green screen garbage, it's just frustrating to see how far George let himself fall from what worked in the original movies. These things are going to be a nostalgia-fest, and I guess I'm OK with that for Star Wars.
I wasn't huge into star wars as a kid but one thing I did like about it is how worn-in and grimy a lot of the settings were. even spaceships felt lived-in. that was completely lacking from the hyper-polish of the prequels.

George said that was because the republic was in good shape back then and everything was colorful and new.

 :jawalrus

I dont even know if youre kidding :(
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: nudemacusers on July 11, 2015, 04:10:27 PM
oh i don't mean to say practical effects would have saved the prequels, but the overindulgent smoothed out CG everyfuckingwhere contributed to a sterility in the film that made it boring. plus you know, people fake walking on moving platforms.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bluemax on July 11, 2015, 04:11:39 PM
https://youtu.be/CTNJ51ghzdY

That got me pretty hyped, I'm not gonna fucking lie. Looks way more like Star Wars than Abrams Trek movies looked like Trek.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 11, 2015, 04:12:34 PM
https://youtu.be/CTNJ51ghzdY

That got me pretty hyped, I'm not gonna fucking lie. Looks way more like Star Wars than Abrams Trek movies looked like Trek.

That's because Abram's Trek movies looked like Star Wars.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 11, 2015, 04:21:46 PM
https://youtu.be/CTNJ51ghzdY

Holy fuck.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Barry Egan on July 11, 2015, 04:38:47 PM
I've never been much of a Star Wars stan, but I'm excited for this.  A big part of that is that I really like both Oscar Isaac and Adam Driver and this will be a huge springboard for both of them.  I also really like the emphasis on craftsmanship which will hopefully influence the production of other films in the future.  The script might just be competent instead of truly great, Abrams and Kasden both have a pretty mixed output, but at least Kurtzman and Orci aren't getting their hands on it.  I'm sure the set-pieces will be stunning.   

The only thing I haven't liked so far is bringing back Harrison Ford because fuck Harrison Ford. 
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2015, 04:59:47 PM
None of the stuff JJ has done is great. Most of it is in the "solid" genre work category. So that's what I'm expecting.

It would be almost impossible to make a great star wars film in this day and age. Partly because Star Wars means different things to so many people that trying to squeeze all that in and satisfy everybody is going to make for a disjointed experience.

This is old man me creeping in also but I just think what satisfies most blockbuster audiences nowadays is not the same thing that thrills me. There are exceptions. I thought Guardians of Galaxy did an amazing job feeling like an old school movie but still being a modern thing. So there's always hope. But I just feel like Star Wars has so many cooks in the kitchen, its going to be a harder thing to do with that franchise.

I think its probably easier to make something good in the Star Wars universe where its a side thing or project so everybody's eye isn't on it, and you can actually do something different and interesting. Obviously all speculation. I would be really happy if the movie turns out great.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on July 12, 2015, 10:58:59 AM
So fucked up how they have to be like "hey guys look practical fx! Live sets!"

I think it's super awesome. I am not even lying. Watching any part of the prequels and seeing how much of it is just copious, unnecessary green screen garbage, it's just frustrating to see how far George let himself fall from what worked in the original movies. These things are going to be a nostalgia-fest, and I guess I'm OK with that for Star Wars.
I wasn't huge into star wars as a kid but one thing I did like about it is how worn-in and grimy a lot of the settings were. even spaceships felt lived-in. that was completely lacking from the hyper-polish of the prequels.

George said that was because the republic was in good shape back then and everything was colorful and new.

 :jawalrus
Georgie Lucas can say whatever he wants; he's lying. He lucked into something great, and was smart enough to get Kasdan to help with Empire, but then fumbled that relationship prior to Return, and it shows.

He replaced classic swashbuckler sword fighting for wuxia style sword fighting because he thought it looked cool.

He retconned Obi-Wan's Tatooine robes into the standard Jedi outfit, which means Obi-Wan was wearing his uniform while "hiding" on Tatooine. This is akin to Nazis in Brazil parading around in their SS uniforms, despite claiming to not be Nazis.

He clearly shot random reaction shots from various actors and cut them in wherever he needed to show responses; he hates actors and would love to do everything without them.

None of the stuff JJ has done is great. Most of it is in the "solid" genre work category. So that's what I'm expecting.
Am I the only person who really liked MI: 3 ?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 12, 2015, 12:23:36 PM
Am I the only person who really liked MI: 3 ?

Nah, it was pretty good. Ghost Protocol was better, though.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bork on August 12, 2015, 09:40:52 AM
(http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/styles/tout_image_gallery_612/public/i/2015/08/11/ep7-26115-1377-1378-03_0_0.jpg?itok=lQO1V-7E)

(http://i.imgur.com/AD8bHDm.png)(http://i.imgur.com/AD8bHDm.png)(http://i.imgur.com/AD8bHDm.png)(http://i.imgur.com/AD8bHDm.png)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on August 12, 2015, 11:06:34 AM
That's a really shitty cut job :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bork on August 13, 2015, 11:55:58 AM
That's a really shitty cut job :lol

(http://i.imgur.com/ILCovBX.png)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 13, 2015, 11:58:41 AM
And this one is missing half her head.  Common dude, step it up.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bork on August 13, 2015, 12:04:57 PM
And this one is missing half her head.  Common dude, step it up.

:stahp
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 13, 2015, 06:57:15 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMUlihrWIAE7l4m.jpg

(http://i.imgur.com/pKvr2pq.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on August 13, 2015, 07:03:20 PM
Is the whole Jedis wearing Tatooine robes for no reason thing too iconic at this point to retcon?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on August 13, 2015, 07:04:27 PM
dp ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 13, 2015, 07:21:07 PM
What?  2 is much better than 1.  1 is shit. 
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on August 13, 2015, 08:28:06 PM
Never seen a single MI movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 15, 2015, 09:29:08 PM
Rogue One cast picture:

(http://i.imgur.com/cspb8es.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 15, 2015, 09:42:17 PM
Probably be better than Star Wars 7.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on August 15, 2015, 09:51:34 PM
Another black jedi
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMe40axW8AAtyqW.jpg)
black man taking no losses
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on August 16, 2015, 01:03:34 AM
Hopefully this black Jedi can do what Mace Windu couldn't, and actually lay down some vengeance upon Sith.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on August 16, 2015, 01:08:18 AM
Never seen a single MI movie.

The first film is somewhat of a small classic (despite what other posters might think, apparently) and probaby the only film in the franchise to have a somewhat elegant look thanks to De Palma.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on August 16, 2015, 04:50:55 AM
Never seen a single MI movie.

The first film is somewhat of a small classic (despite what other posters might think, apparently) and probaby the only film in the franchise to have a somewhat elegant look thanks to De Palma.

First film definitely a classic. De Palma does a lot throughout it to subvert the genre tropes ( first 20 minutes being almost a horror film as the kinda cast you'd expect this film to have gets slaughtered, an almost entirely silent high tension heist etc).
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 16, 2015, 11:25:01 AM
MI: I is one of those perfect blockbusters IMO. Just about everything it tries - from the heist to the suspense to the amazing intro - works. It suffers from that cheesy 90s failure to make anything relating to computers seem believable (the Job stuff was just lol worthy) but outside of that it's dope.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 17, 2015, 05:33:09 PM
Watching the last 40 min of EP1 on tv.

Forgot how bad bad bad it was.

-Cgi is afwul
-Darth maul fight is shit, liam neeson getting stabbed is 70s like acting
-Anakin ruins a space battle
-Unit design and costumes are shite
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 17, 2015, 05:35:05 PM
Maybe one day Disney can scrap this from canon

And release a HD ep4-6 without all the remaster crap
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 17, 2015, 05:37:36 PM
That ending

How did they let Lucas get away with all of this

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 17, 2015, 05:39:20 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMUlihrWIAE7l4m.jpg

(http://i.imgur.com/pKvr2pq.gif)

Is... is that Krugman?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 17, 2015, 07:44:05 PM
Is there a reason there hasn't been a single mention of the Episodes number in all PR for Force Awakens?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 17, 2015, 07:49:59 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMUlihrWIAE7l4m.jpg

(http://i.imgur.com/pKvr2pq.gif)

Is... is that Krugman?

Nah, I'm pretty sure that's Uncle Owen.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 17, 2015, 08:09:56 PM
Maybe one day Disney can scrap this from canon

And release a HD ep4-6 without all the remaster crap


Do the days or future past / Star Trek alternate universe thing
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on August 17, 2015, 08:18:15 PM
Bet you anything they'll release HD theatrical cut blu rays after the first new movie drops. It's stupid easy money. The only thing stopping it before was GL's ego.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 18, 2015, 03:03:41 AM
Probably be better than Star Wars 7.
I think there's a decent chance of that. I'll even wager that it'll make more money globally then SWVII. I mean, Donnie Yen and Jiang Wen, this thing is gonna make stupid cash in China. Prolly coast off the positive reception to Force Awakens and have the benefit of being made by a better filmmaker then JJ Abrams (current gen competent craftsman with good luck, today's John Badham lets say).

and to join in on the Mission Impossible talk from earlier, yeah, MI:1 is the still the pick of the litter. Its a proper (and upper tier) De Palma movie, and its a actual summer blockbuster. Its tons of fun, and it makes me a bit sad in retrospect that ole' Brian so rarely got such a big canvas to paint on before or ever since (I mean, Mission to Mars wasn't that terrible, right guys, guys?).
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 18, 2015, 03:09:20 AM
Bet you anything they'll release HD theatrical cut blu rays after the first new movie drops. It's stupid easy money. The only thing stopping it before was GL's ego.
I thought whats stopping it now is Disney Vs FOX?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on August 18, 2015, 03:57:02 AM
Is there a reason there hasn't been a single mention of the Episodes number in all PR for Force Awakens?

I think it is to ease the public into going to the theaters and promote the film like its own self contained experience, whatever the actual story told.

Bet you anything they'll release HD theatrical cut blu rays after the first new movie drops. It's stupid easy money. The only thing stopping it before was GL's ego.
I thought whats stopping it now is Disney Vs FOX?

Also, while we cannot be sure of the exact truthfulness of the statement, Lucas also told that the original elements were in a dire strait and some of it altered during the remasterisation necessary for the special edition. Though not the norm, a film from 1977 could have moderate to extensive damage (The Godfather from 1972 needed a big restoration). Access to those masters may indeed rely on the approval of one or two persons in a complex copyright deal.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 18, 2015, 07:40:27 AM
(I mean, Mission to Mars wasn't that terrible, right guys, guys?).

I still like it, okay?! Get off my case!!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Barry Egan on August 18, 2015, 09:29:14 AM
Have to agree that MI:1 is the best of the bunch, although it's such a different style than the sequels that it doesn't really feel right to compare them.  Ghost Protocol slays if the criteria is just a fun action movie. 
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 18, 2015, 11:29:01 AM
M1 was classy iirc. Other ones are just regular action flicks.
Title: Monet's Vader
Post by: chronovore on August 19, 2015, 03:52:18 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/0FJVKdi.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Purrp Skirrp on August 19, 2015, 09:24:00 AM
I'm hyped for this and I'm not even that into Star Wars. Star Wars as a phenomenon is kind of unavoidable though, as it's permeated decades of pop culture.

A lot of my exposure to Star Wars has been through video games like Battlefront or Shadow of the Empire (fuck it, it was a competent enough game).

Star Wars lends itself well to the medium of video games and I'm excited for the new Battlefront.

Practical effects are a welcomed return, and that promo vid seemed actually genuine and makes me think these sets and creatures are being crafted with passion for the series.

Star Wars is for everyone; it is enjoyed by all walks of life from die-hard spergs to the kids who thought Jar-Jar was on point. Others just look back, content with their nostalgia.

In a sense, the diversity and scope of Star Wars, with all its inhabitants and worlds, mirrors its mass appeal to audiences worldwide.

:ohhh
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 19, 2015, 09:34:04 AM
No one thinks Jar Jar was spot on
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Purrp Skirrp on August 19, 2015, 09:40:58 AM
Thought he's like Nick Cannon in that they're both lame as fuck, but little kids be eating that goofy shit up.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 19, 2015, 04:40:20 PM
Nah everyone hates jar jar.

Watching episode 3 now. Last 1.5 hour.

Haters might hate but except for the shitty acting and script this is a good star wars

Way darker then the pansy ones
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: studyguy on August 19, 2015, 04:56:58 PM
I don't really care much about SW or shit like Star Trek and shit but I mean I'll go.
I remember owning the Star Wars VHS when I was a kid cause my parents bought it but I don't think I ever actually watched it in full on VHS.

Hype for this is unavoidable though, whether you like it or not, someone out of your circle of friends will probably drag your ass to see it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on August 19, 2015, 09:23:55 PM
Nah everyone hates jar jar.

Watching episode 3 now. Last 1.5 hour.

Haters might hate but except for the shitty acting and script this is a good star wars

Way darker then the pansy ones

Episode III is the best of the prequels, but it's still not good. You can see how much Lucas hates actors, in that Portman and Christiansen are both horrible through Ep. II and III; even so, Ian McDiarmid steals the entire show and manages to make dreadful dialog palatable. He should be renamed Senator Palatable because of this.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 19, 2015, 09:46:14 PM
McGregor was also especially good in RotS, he could've not have been, as he's not a scenery chewing actor. I think this is why McDiarmid was great, he must've at one point just thought fuck it all and took whatever stilted shit he was given and found joy in pushing the ham envelope. McGregor wasn't that but at least brought some life to the part.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 20, 2015, 03:51:46 PM
Watching Ep 4 today a bit between football.

Always odd to see Vader taking orders in that "lack of faith" scene, guess Lucas wasnt sure back then how Vader would be portrayed yet

The costume design is soooo much better then in the prequels, as is the cinematography and acting
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 20, 2015, 03:55:34 PM
Goddamn though at all that added cgi fluff, do we really need to see two "funny" things happen when luke and obi ride in to mos eysley? No
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 20, 2015, 04:20:12 PM
The added "jokes" in the Mos Eisley scene are so unfunny and completely out of the place with the...well...the whole rest of the movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 20, 2015, 04:49:11 PM
Its like ep 4 and 5 were great despite Lucas not because of him
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 20, 2015, 05:43:42 PM
There might be some truth to that, but Lucas in the 70's and 80's had his hand in a ton of classic movies, in virtually every capacity. I dunno, maybe at some point George Lucas the filmmaker got replaced by George Lucas the businessman or something.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 20, 2015, 06:07:58 PM
Yeah, I think the machine of what Star Wars became was too big for him as it probably would be for any one individual trying to helm something like that.

The prequels are a different story. I think he just had gotten so out of touch from his roots as a film-maker by that point, that it was basically someone with the ego but no longer the talent to match.

A lot of people like to kick George Lucas and act like he lucked into Star Wars nowadays but I think that's bullshit. I think the original trilogy are all great films, even Jedi which it is common place to now talk about like its a piece of shit or something. Flawed yes. Piece of Shit. No.

I think Star Wars in general is over-analyzed by nerds which brings out a hyper level of critcism (not aimed at anyone here)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Steve Contra on August 20, 2015, 06:30:12 PM
George Lucas stopped directing movies.  No shit the prequels weren't going to be as good.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 20, 2015, 06:35:39 PM
I don't mind him altering the originals or adding special effects or all that shit. To me it's his shit so he can do what he wants.

The dick move is not offering the originals untouched to people who want it. That's a pure ego move. Like I'm doing what I want and fuck you if you don't want it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 21, 2015, 04:04:04 PM
Ep 5, Yoda beating R2D2 with his cane.

Yoda at his best and most cooky imho
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 21, 2015, 04:27:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p44pcTXpPOs
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 21, 2015, 04:54:35 PM
Exactly  :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on August 22, 2015, 04:53:48 AM
What was it like two decades? And he only really did it for the cash, which he definitely got. I understand the hate, especially going back and altering the originals. But in retrospect the prequels were destined to suck.
Apparently it wasn't just cash, but the terms of his divorce. His ex-wife was able to lay claim to a portion of any Star Wars profits for a period of time which ended just before Lucas announced the Prequels were starting production. According to a friend who has researched a great deal about Lucas, it was literally down to the same month that the ex-wife's claim had expired.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 23, 2015, 03:12:37 PM
I don't think the prequels sucked because Lucas didn't give a shit, or even that he stopped directing films. As I've said before the prequels feel more corporate outings than films. They're soulless tech demos in which the creative process is directly influenced by researched marketing strategies. Directing becomes less of an artistic expression than essentially being a CEO, cutting costs and maximizing profits.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 23, 2015, 03:34:10 PM
That comes back to the point I made earlier, that at some point Lucas became more concerned with the Star Wars franchise as a profit-making machine rather than a creative endeavor; the filmmaker got replaced by the brand manager. And since he was the writer, director, producer, and owner there wasn't anyone who could step in and say "Hey, we should focus on making a really good movie first."

You can even see this a little bit in Return of the Jedi, where the original plan to have wookies got scrapped in favor of kid-friendly, more-marketable ewoks.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 23, 2015, 05:07:07 PM
I don't think the prequels sucked because Lucas didn't give a shit, or even that he stopped directing films. As I've said before the prequels feel more corporate outings than films. They're soulless tech demos in which the creative process is directly influenced by researched marketing strategies. Directing becomes less of an artistic expression than essentially being a CEO, cutting costs and maximizing profits.

I disagree. The way those prequels suck don't feel like marketing strategies. The movie doesn't feel focus grouped. No focus group would come up with those plots or situations.

Yes, there is marketing output of lets tie it into a billion shows and toys but that is the case with anything nowadays. I'm sure the current movies have the same thing going on, but I guarantee they won't be as bad as the prequels

I think those prequels were poorly written and directed and acted on an epic level even for a blockbuster. I don't think it was inevitable that it went that way if more people were actually around saying this sucks as it was happening. Even most blockbusters don't fail that miserably outside of Transformers movies.

I think the commercial imperative can co-exist with the creative imperative but you have to have some talent and some backbone, and some integrity and honesty. I think Lucas was deficient in those areas by the time it came to make those movies.

TLDR: I think he legit thought those prequels were good movies. Which goes to show how out of touch he was.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on August 23, 2015, 06:55:30 PM
Lately when I get the urge to re-watch the Prequels, I just watch the RedLetterMedia extended reviews of them. The Prequels are really poorly structured.

Lucas was quoted as saying during The Phantom Menace production that, as the first new Star Wars movies in over 10 years, people should pay him to work on the movies.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bluemax on August 23, 2015, 07:11:22 PM
What was it like two decades? And he only really did it for the cash, which he definitely got. I understand the hate, especially going back and altering the originals. But in retrospect the prequels were destined to suck.
Apparently it wasn't just cash, but the terms of his divorce. His ex-wife was able to lay claim to a portion of any Star Wars profits for a period of time which ended just before Lucas announced the Prequels were starting production. According to a friend who has researched a great deal about Lucas, it was literally down to the same month that the ex-wife's claim had expired.

That divorce was so fucking bitter. When he gave money to USC to build some new buildings everyone joked that the real reason was because he wanted them to get rid of the Marcia Lucas building, not just rename it. He wanted it completely gone.

That comes back to the point I made earlier, that at some point Lucas became more concerned with the Star Wars franchise as a profit-making machine rather than a creative endeavor; the filmmaker got replaced by the brand manager. And since he was the writer, director, producer, and owner there wasn't anyone who could step in and say "Hey, we should focus on making a really good movie first."

You can even see this a little bit in Return of the Jedi, where the original plan to have wookies got scrapped in favor of kid-friendly, more-marketable ewoks.

http://www.cracked.com/article_22906_6-dumb-aspects-original-star-wars-trilogy-you-forgot.html
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 23, 2015, 07:11:32 PM
Lately when I get the urge to re-watch the Prequels, I just watch the RedLetterMedia extended reviews of them.

Same.

The Prequels are far more interesting and entertaining when you look at them like an autopsy trying to diagnose it rather than as actual movies for actual entertainment. 
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on August 23, 2015, 08:08:42 PM
I disagree. The way those prequels suck don't feel like marketing strategies. The movie doesn't feel focus grouped. No focus group would come up with those plots or situations.

(...)

I think the commercial imperative can co-exist with the creative imperative but you have to have some talent and some backbone, and some integrity and honesty. I think Lucas was deficient in those areas by the time it came to make those movies.

TLDR: I think he legit thought those prequels were good movies. Which goes to show how out of touch he was.

Well there's the pod racing but Lucas was never the least astute businessman either. The films are all his, as you say no focus group would condone what is basically a very bad political drama driven forward by talking heads, and I wouldn't even say he lacked backbone or honesty, I would suspect on the contrary that he was too rigid on holding the helm and not able to listen to critical feedback. Lucas was an artistic talent to be reckoned with, it is fairly well documented that he was a major driving force in Raiders of the Lost Ark (or to be more precise, that the duo he formed with Spielberg reached an insane equilibrium), and honestly it is a bit unfair how his paternity of the original films has been minimized by the fan's discourse in the past. But he was completely washed out when he did those films.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on August 23, 2015, 09:34:40 PM
I still maintain that people that hate the first three episodes several orders of magnitude more than the next three either have an irrational attachment to puppets and industrial mise-en-scène or can't handle the fact that their beloved space opera from childhood is, well, a space opera full of tonal inconsistencies and bizarre framing choices. (Naboo is just as snooze as the Forest Moon of Endor. :patel)

Or they're super mad that Attack of the Clones falsifies that nerd meme that the second movie in a trilogy is always the bestest movie in a trilogy because it doesn't have to start or conclude anything.

Many Bothans died to bring you this post.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: brawndolicious on August 23, 2015, 10:07:41 PM
Lately when I get the urge to re-watch the Prequels, I just watch the RedLetterMedia extended reviews of them. The Prequels are really poorly structured.

Lucas was quoted as saying during The Phantom Menace production that, as the first new Star Wars movies in over 10 years, people should pay him to work on the movies.

I remember in the RLM review of Phantom Menace, they mentioned something about how at some point near the end of production when Lucas showed the studio his final cut, they pointed out that he had 4 different plots going on at the end (space battle, ground battle, etc) and that it would be hard for the audience to keep interested in it all. And that's when he realized how much unnecessary stuff he was putting in.

I think if it was made with the same formula that studios normally use, it would be a lot more focused and would therefore be more interesting. I like corny movies, and Star Wars can't avoid being corny, as long as they have charm and that's a hard standard to meet if you're a studio exec or if you're the creator of a mega-franchise that last screened 20 years ago. And ended.

He probably would have done better if they gave him less time and money or something
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 23, 2015, 10:19:19 PM
Lately when I get the urge to re-watch the Prequels, I just watch the RedLetterMedia extended reviews of them. The Prequels are really poorly structured.

Lucas was quoted as saying during The Phantom Menace production that, as the first new Star Wars movies in over 10 years, people should pay him to work on the movies.

I remember in the RLM review of Phantom Menace, they mentioned something about how at some point near the end of production when Lucas showed the studio his final cut, they pointed out that he had 4 different plots going on at the end (space battle, ground battle, etc) and that it would be hard for the audience to keep interested in it all.

The main problem is that even if there are 4 plot threads at the end, nobody cares about them. Nobody cares about Anakin-mini flying a spaceship around. The ground battle is horribly boring and whatever Amidala is doing is confusing and boring. The only part that anyone cares about is the battle between Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon and Darth Maul, because its the only part that actually has a bit of tension.

I think a movie can have all kinds of flaws but still be worthwhile but if the movie can't move you to care by the end, its failed on a fundamental level beyond just plotting splits at the end.
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Post by: brawndolicious on August 23, 2015, 10:48:24 PM
True. Less money and control means you only focus on the most important bit.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 23, 2015, 11:10:49 PM
oh I agree the movie could have definitely had a tighter focus in general. I just think he (Lucas) would have probably still fucked it up.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on August 24, 2015, 08:20:19 AM
http://herocomplex.latimes.com/movies/star-wars-was-born-a-long-time-ago-but-not-all-that-far-far-away-in-1972-filmmakers-george-lucas-and-gary-kurtz-wer/

I would have loved this ending to Return of the Jedi.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 24, 2015, 08:41:29 AM
Damn that would have been strong.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 25, 2015, 01:11:13 AM
I like that ending but understand why Lucas/the studio wouldn't like it. I wish they could have found a middle ground between a bleak ending and the celebration ending we got.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on August 25, 2015, 10:14:32 AM
I know I'm a curmudgeon for this, but I'd take the theatrical ending if there were no Ewoks.

They're not even cute. They're so creepy.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 26, 2015, 01:30:16 PM
Sandpeople on the other hand :rock
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 26, 2015, 03:04:16 PM
Sandpeople on the other hand :rock

That's not the preferred nomenclature, dude.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 26, 2015, 03:20:33 PM
Indigenous cloth people?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 26, 2015, 05:16:22 PM
Desert-Americans
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: studyguy on August 27, 2015, 04:38:45 PM
https://instagram.com/p/65PhxOs_RH/

Looks pretty good  8)
Not really even into SW but it's hard not to see why people are hyped over this.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: studyguy on September 01, 2015, 01:50:23 PM
Why does all the official art for merch look like it was pulled off of a 14 year old's deviant art who was just starting out on photoshop?
Is it an aesthetic they actually aim for or something? It's like cheap stills from the film superimposed on blue or red gradient backgrounds, nothing else.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Steve Contra on September 01, 2015, 01:51:51 PM
Why it the main dude always sweating or breathing heavy ???
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on September 01, 2015, 02:24:53 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNgrLqjWEAQ5J96.jpg:large)

:dead

First the racists and now the sexists, Star Wars really does appeal to everyone!
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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 01, 2015, 02:58:51 PM
How do I know when to fap?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: studyguy on September 01, 2015, 03:06:59 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNgrLqjWEAQ5J96.jpg:large)

:dead

First the racists and now the sexists, Star Wars really does appeal to everyone!

What kind of complaint is that lmao
And yeah it's a woman, Christie about to jump from HBO $$$ to pools of Disney/Star Wars $$$
(http://epicstream.com/assets/uploads/ckeditor/images/christie.jpg)
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 01, 2015, 04:56:16 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNgrLqjWEAQ5J96.jpg:large)

:dead

First the racists and now the sexists, Star Wars really does appeal to everyone!

That's an awesome response.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 01, 2015, 05:19:51 PM
The armor needs prominent boob plates, otherwise I won't know if the character is a woman or not.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: studyguy on September 01, 2015, 05:22:22 PM
The armor needs prominent boob plates, otherwise I won't know if the character is a woman or not.

So long as we can accommodate everyone's needs here.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3273/2565390439_90569d6b6a.jpg) (http://scs.viceland.com/int/v17n3/htdocs/metallic-package-379/arrmour-codpiece.jpg)

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Post by: chronovore on September 01, 2015, 05:32:45 PM
Ooh, a towel-rack!
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Post by: Mods Help on September 01, 2015, 06:07:19 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_22906_6-dumb-aspects-original-star-wars-trilogy-you-forgot.html

Great link!

"No one took Star Wars seriously. Look at this Ebert review"

*clicks review*

"4 out of 4 stars"

Whether or not people took Star Wars seriously, they definitely take it more seriously than they ever will treat Cracked
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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 01, 2015, 08:38:38 PM
A Mods Help post that I strongly agree with. :ohhh
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Post by: Tasty on September 01, 2015, 08:53:52 PM
A Mods Help post that I strongly agree with. :ohhh

Careful, soon you'll be jacking it to lolis and defending Jared Fogle.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on September 01, 2015, 09:01:04 PM
A Mods Help post that I strongly agree with. :ohhh

Careful, soon you'll be jacking it to lolis and defending Jared Fogle.

Implying he doesn't already.

:dead
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Post by: Mods Help on September 01, 2015, 09:01:21 PM
A Mods Help post that I strongly agree with. :ohhh

In sorry. That was not supposed to happen. I thought you were my aniki, ka ne?
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Post by: Tasty on September 01, 2015, 09:03:47 PM
YOU ARE MY FRIEND

AAAHHHH
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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 01, 2015, 10:08:22 PM
A Mods Help post that I strongly agree with. :ohhh

In sorry. That was not supposed to happen. I thought you were my aniki, ka ne?

You accidentally posted under the wrong account, didn't you. :umad
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Post by: Mods Help on September 01, 2015, 10:14:02 PM
No, I didn't.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Shadow Mod on September 01, 2015, 10:17:03 PM
I might have to get on this train. Female stormtrooper having the most kickass armor? YES PLEASE.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 03, 2015, 02:00:19 PM
I'm tempted to pick up that Aftermath novel that comes out tomorrow. And I'm getting my kid a Force Awakens coloring book.

Oh God what is wrong with me. Am I getting sucked back into Star Wars fandom?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on September 03, 2015, 08:15:46 PM
From the moment George Lucas removed himself from the picture, we were all in danger of being sucked back in.

My biggest fear, and it's not even a particularly huge one, is that JJ will make a movie as soulless as his Star Trek reboot. Those aren't bad movies, but they're also not memorable.
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Post by: Yeti on September 03, 2015, 10:50:56 PM
https://youtu.be/aUYxqMcc1rE?list=PLx1XbvvfIlc4GBwY6dd2IJXagAhh-qyx3

Greatest toy ever

spoiler (click to show/hide)
for $150 though  :(
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Post by: Shadow Mod on September 04, 2015, 07:10:10 PM
From the moment George Lucas removed himself from the picture, we were all in danger of being sucked back in.

My biggest fear, and it's not even a particularly huge one, is that JJ will make a movie as soulless as his Star Trek reboot. Those aren't bad movies, but they're also not memorable.

Well the prequels were soulless and the story was garbage.

Least with Abrams you get 1/2 the equation.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: CatsCatsCats on September 04, 2015, 07:28:13 PM
Is Luke the bad guy? Would make sense for him to have the hand gaurd, no one who got their hand chopped off would want that to happen again
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Post by: brawndolicious on September 04, 2015, 07:39:04 PM
https://youtu.be/aUYxqMcc1rE?list=PLx1XbvvfIlc4GBwY6dd2IJXagAhh-qyx3

Greatest toy ever

spoiler (click to show/hide)
for $150 though  :(
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Also requires an iOS/Android device to actually be controlled.  So cyoote tho.
 :uguu
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 04, 2015, 09:54:33 PM
holy shit that's amazing
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Post by: Dickie Dee on September 05, 2015, 02:16:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvrLrk7Ehmg&feature=youtu.be&t=1m32s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvrLrk7Ehmg&feature=youtu.be&t=1m32s)

:rofl
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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 05, 2015, 02:20:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A
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Post by: chronovore on September 06, 2015, 12:19:59 AM
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/e94b05c41b9443fd5c6be3cc5b1d879c/tumblr_nnd3wtjyjP1qh2n06o1_1280.jpg)
Title: Jar Jar
Post by: chronovore on September 07, 2015, 05:32:09 AM
This is old, but it was new to me:

(http://i.imgur.com/DTVa0cT.jpg)
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Post by: chronovore on September 26, 2015, 08:46:07 PM
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/5d6d4d8b2f76c7477b35823e861573c6/tumblr_nv6m3lSvAe1sqx8y7o1_1280.png)
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 18, 2015, 01:12:49 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/CO6vRa7.jpg?1)

Death Star III  :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 18, 2015, 02:10:21 PM
Lukes not on the poster, he's the bad guy isn't he
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 18, 2015, 02:47:00 PM
Lukes not on the poster, he's the bad guy isn't he

The absence of Luke on the poster is definitely quite odd, but I'm still not entirely convinced that they'd go that route since it would basically just be a mirror of Anakin's character progression through the prequels.
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Post by: Tasty on October 18, 2015, 03:05:37 PM
If I remember right, the original idea was to have Luke being in the film at all kept a secret until he shows up like 3/4 through. But of course they couldn't really do that with the media spotlight and whatnot.

It was weird to me he narrated the second trailer, actually. I wonder if he'll even be in the final trailer.
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Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 18, 2015, 03:16:54 PM
Callin it now, Luke trying to fulfill his daddy's legacy making the deathstar in some misguided nonsense
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 18, 2015, 03:53:59 PM
Still no episode number  :huh

Guess they're trying to stay true to the originals by not having the episodes mentioned
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Post by: Dickie Dee on October 18, 2015, 04:06:01 PM
JJ Abrams still unoriginal with that Death Star 3 shit. :neogaf

It's like poetry breh
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 18, 2015, 04:10:21 PM
it's not the death star

spoiler (click to show/hide)
its a planet hollowed out that contains a new weapon, its called the starkiller base
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 18, 2015, 04:18:32 PM
actually according to the rumors no
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on October 18, 2015, 04:23:11 PM
It's...

spoiler (click to show/hide)
BB-8's final form.  :doge
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Post by: Tasty on October 18, 2015, 05:18:13 PM
It's the Light Star.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etwJnVBHy9c
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: brawndolicious on October 18, 2015, 05:41:28 PM
Lucas probably does have a grindhouse script sitting somewhere after 40 years of polite and cheerful family movies.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 18, 2015, 07:23:41 PM
it's not the death star

spoiler (click to show/hide)
its a planet hollowed out that contains a new weapon, its called the starkiller base
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It's a planet-sized base with a giant superweapon that can destroy planets/stars.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
It's the Death Star.
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Post by: chronovore on October 18, 2015, 08:10:33 PM
But is it fully-operational, or is it only pretending to not be fully-operational in order to lure the Rebels into a trap? I want to know the level of "rhyme" they're relying on.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 18, 2015, 08:39:25 PM
But is it fully-operational, or is it only pretending to not be fully-operational in order to lure the Rebels into a trap? I want to know the level of "rhyme" they're relying on.

It'll keep the local systems in line, that's all we know atm.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 18, 2015, 10:46:47 PM
I'm in the mood to watch the trilogy.

 :-[
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 18, 2015, 10:47:48 PM
The original Star Wars trilogy is so dang good, not withstanding some questionable stuff in Return of the Jedi.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 18, 2015, 10:51:36 PM
It's been a number of years since I saw them. I went on a little kick where I watched them a shitload like 10 years ago but  all the star wars media has got me primed again.

But first I have to watch the prequel movies!

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'm teasing. I refuse to watch those pieces of shit again unless its like a mst3k kind of thing.
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Post by: thisismyusername on October 18, 2015, 10:53:59 PM
Lukes not on the poster, he's the bad guy isn't he

Or Mark Hamill has aged so badly even photoshop can't save him. :doge

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'm still salty about that Sith lightsaber. So stupid-looking. :|
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Post by: naff on October 18, 2015, 11:53:13 PM
I enjoy the first 3/4 of a New Hope, at least up until the death star starts to home in on the rebel base. That finale :zzz
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 19, 2015, 04:18:28 AM
Im going to pretend the prequels never happened

Its great they are prequels as its easy to cut them loose without losing story
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on October 19, 2015, 05:31:04 AM
Im going to pretend the prequels never happened

Its great they are prequels as its easy to cut them loose without losing story

Oh, man, there are just so many ways they could have improved. So many missed chances. So much cheesy shit.

If you ever have the urge to watch them, just go to RedLetterMedia.com and watch their reviews of them. They're gold.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on October 19, 2015, 09:19:13 AM
RLM :rejoice
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 19, 2015, 09:32:45 AM
You mentioned that before, i really have to
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on October 19, 2015, 10:43:06 AM
Same here, I get a little excited whenever a new Half in the Bag pops up.

What pushed me over the edge was Atra's old avatar, actually.  :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 19, 2015, 11:35:07 AM
Went ahead and watched Star Wars last night. As good as always for me.

Thoughts.

I forgot that the movie shows Uncle Owen's & Aunt Beru's charred bodies when Luke returns back home after meeting Obi-Wan. Gruesome.

I so love how slow the first hour of that movie is. So much good world-building and mystery.

Seeing all the little George Lucas additions is just so stupid. I think I was indifferent to them the first time around but now they just seem so stupid. Restoring the cut jabba scene is so dumb and the worst offender. It actually harms the movie versus the other stupid little cgi background things running around.

You can forgot how this movie has a charm and whimsy and sense of humour about it in just the perfect proportion. I think that's why its my favorite. And this feeling was so completely and utterly screwed up in the prequels. He thought Jar Jar was the same sort of whimsy. The other movies prequels and originals also have a much darker tone and I think I prefer what I consider the perfect balance in this one.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 19, 2015, 11:41:34 AM
Went ahead and watched Star Wars last night. As good as always for me.

Thoughts.

I forgot that the movie shows Uncle Owen's & Aunt Beru's charred bodies when Luke returns back home after meeting Obi-Wan. Gruesome.

I so love how slow the first hour of that movie is. So much good world-building and mystery.

Seeing all the little George Lucas additions is just so stupid. I think I was indifferent to them the first time around but now they just seem so stupid. Restoring the cut jabba scene is so dumb and the worst offender. It actually harms the movie versus the other stupid little cgi background things running around.

You can forgot how this movie has a charm and whimsy and sense of humour about it in just the perfect proportion. I think that's why its my favorite. And this feeling was so completely and utterly screwed up in the prequels. He thought Jar Jar was the same sort of whimsy. The other movies prequels and originals also have a much darker tone and I think I prefer what I consider the perfect balance in this one.

People that try to claim that the originals are the same as the prequels and it's all just rose-tinted glasses and nostalgia are forever wrong. Ice Pirates is a better movie than any of the prequels.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on October 19, 2015, 08:45:10 PM
Ice Pirates is a great movie.

Caveat: I haven't seen it since before cable TV was invented.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on October 19, 2015, 09:08:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSgJeVwjnpc
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on October 19, 2015, 09:31:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSgJeVwjnpc

Menstruation? :kobeyuck
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: pilonv1 on October 19, 2015, 09:44:57 PM
This reminds me I need to rewatch Caravan of Courage
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 19, 2015, 09:50:54 PM
This reminds me I need to rewatch Caravan of Courage

Why would you need to do that? :kobeyuck
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 19, 2015, 10:16:42 PM
:lawd

My nerdboner is erect
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on October 19, 2015, 10:18:45 PM
Just got my tickets for the Sunday on release weekend. VIP theater with lounge seats and booze.  :lawd
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 19, 2015, 10:22:03 PM
i feel nothing

only the urge to troll
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 19, 2015, 10:23:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGbxmsDFVnE&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bluemax on October 19, 2015, 10:25:03 PM
That was all right, at least I don't feel like I saw the whole movie already.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Barry Egan on October 19, 2015, 10:26:59 PM
beautiful.  I don't even like the original trilogy that much and I got chills.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on October 19, 2015, 10:33:18 PM
kylo ren has a cool voice I hope he wins
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 19, 2015, 10:59:41 PM
I keep telling myself not to get hyped up for a new Star Wars movie, but I just can't help myself. That trailer was just spot-on what I expect from a proper Star Wars outing.
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Post by: Atramental on October 19, 2015, 11:16:45 PM
*chills going up & down my spine* :whew
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Barry Egan on October 19, 2015, 11:19:09 PM
kylo ren has a cool voice I hope he wins

Adam Driver :heart
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Post by: chronovore on October 19, 2015, 11:31:53 PM
:hyper
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 19, 2015, 11:42:10 PM
I got a bad feeling about this.


Luke's the quasi bad guy, watch.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Dennis on October 19, 2015, 11:52:12 PM
Great trailer. Visually it has the feel of the old movies updated to 2015.

Considering how long it has been both Han and Leia looked great.

Daisy is a fantastic choice for Rey. I love her desert/scavenger look.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on October 20, 2015, 12:59:49 AM
https://youtu.be/H1pn4bTAQWA
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2015, 01:41:21 AM
That looks like a Star War, alright.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Yulwei on October 20, 2015, 01:41:34 AM
well... there are spoilers going around for this movie.  i just got spoiled and dunno if i want to watch it now
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on October 20, 2015, 08:48:05 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSgJeVwjnpc
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on October 20, 2015, 09:27:28 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSgJeVwjnpc

You already posted this ???
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 20, 2015, 09:36:31 AM
well... there are spoilers going around for this movie.  i just got spoiled and dunno if i want to watch it now

Is Luke the bad guy or not?

I mean, all those contractors he murdered has to be worth a trip to the dark side amirite
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on October 20, 2015, 09:37:40 AM
Guys, Luke isn't the bad guy.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 20, 2015, 12:46:18 PM
Guys, Luke isn't the bad guy.

This is the truth.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
He's not really any guy seeing how he's in the movie for a few minutes at the very end.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: studyguy on October 20, 2015, 01:48:12 PM
I'm honestly not too interested in seeing a flabby Mark Hamill or Harrison Ford.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 20, 2015, 02:03:52 PM
Watched the trailer and thought it was an okay trailer but I'm not part of the modern culture that sort of fetishizes trailers. Making a good trailer isn't really comparable to making a good movie so other than seeing it and saying yep that's Star Wars, there's not much really to say.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 20, 2015, 02:19:11 PM
Star Wars is so ubiquitous that I don't see how you can do anything "new" that will seem fresh and exciting.  It still has to hit all those same beats that Star Wars fans will expect and it will still have to pay homage to a certain type of storytelling. It's that same kind of rut that Superman movies get mired in, no matter how they try to dress it up (or dress it down).

I'm sure people will be fine with a competent Star Wars movie, since we haven't seen one in three decades now. But I don't think that will get me in the theaters on day one.

 
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 20, 2015, 02:40:25 PM
Star Wars is so ubiquitous that I don't see how you can do anything "new" that will seem fresh and exciting.  It still has to hit all those same beats that Star Wars fans will expect and it will still have to pay homage to a certain type of storytelling. It's that same kind of rut that Superman movies get mired in, no matter how they try to dress it up (or dress it down).

I'm sure people will be fine with a competent Star Wars movie, since we haven't seen one in three decades now. But I don't think that will get me in the theaters on day one.

We've talked about it before but I think people are willing to accept adequate or "good" at this point after the prequels. It's almost like a no lose for abrams.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 20, 2015, 03:55:49 PM
The X-Wing vs TIE Fighter dogfight scenes look absolutely incredible. I've been dreaming of seeing something like that for 20 years now.

You mean the Naboo Starfighters attacking the Trade Federation Control Ship didn't get your blood pumping?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 20, 2015, 04:05:16 PM
Yeah it's honestly the Falcon and the X-Wings that make me want to see this more than anything.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 20, 2015, 04:08:02 PM
It's the whole "embracing the Original Trilogy and what made people love it" that got me pulled back in. That's not to say I need only OT stuff, but the prequels lost a lot of that magic. It feels like Disney doesn't want a repeat of that.

These new characters actually seem interesting to me. Young Obi-Wan was the only one in the prequels who was even remotely appealing.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 20, 2015, 04:13:58 PM
K fine. He's Luke son and badassdom skips a generation
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Steve Contra on October 20, 2015, 04:45:03 PM
Yet somehow that movie was the best prequel.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 20, 2015, 04:54:29 PM
Least crap would be a better description
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on October 20, 2015, 05:48:56 PM
I still say ROTS was by far the best prequel. The first two are both crap.

I agree
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on October 20, 2015, 05:59:37 PM
ROTS has a nice space battle in intro and I liked Grievious (that did nothing beyond that). Still pretty bad.

The new trailer has Tatooine, Hoth and Endor like settings. I understand the whole story seems to be taking a trip down memory lane with Han Solo ( :-\) but like said by ToxicAdam, I have a hard time believing this will be able to break away from overbearing homage and be something of its own.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on October 20, 2015, 07:22:02 PM
You already posted this ???
Ah, oops. I thought so, but when I peeked at the "outside links" and "star wars" threads, I didn't see it.

ROTS is the best prequel, still a crappy movie regardless. Attack of the Clones is by far the worst of the worst.
Yeah, this. There's so much stuff that doesn't make any sense in RotS, but AotC is the only one in which the entire movie unravels itself into complete meaninglessness, erasing its own raison d'être before our eyes. The idea that the ENTIRE CLONE ARMY, which was ordered by A FORGOTTEN JEDI, from a planet OF WHICH THERE IS NO RECORD, is the object of Obi-Wan's search and yet, when it is found, no-one has a single question about why it even exists, ready to mobilize. It's like realizing that Indiana Jones doesn't actually do anything in Raiders of the Lost Arc. And then the only other element running through AotC is Anakin/Padme's arc, an entirely tone-deaf love story. It really is just inexplicably bad.

RotS is mainly interesting in that it makes "saving" Darth Vader in Return of the Jedi more palatable.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2015, 07:47:22 PM
Gundam brings up a good point. Really there are no interesting new characters in the prequels who I think about when I think about Star Wars. It seems like they're at least trying to create memorable characters that stand on their own in this new trilogy. We'll see.

Black Guy could be cool, but I'm more interested in Engineer Girl. She seems cool. And the rollie bot is dope.  :doge

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Steve Contra on October 20, 2015, 07:57:27 PM
I expect very little out of this except pure nostalgia.  We are talking JJ Abrams here, the genius director of               .
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on October 20, 2015, 07:59:03 PM
She's not a pawg though  ???
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 20, 2015, 09:19:37 PM
I expect very little out of this except pure nostalgia.  We are talking JJ Abrams here, the genius director of               .

We've talked about this before too but pretty much yeah. The best predictor of quality tends to be the director, followed by the writers.

When you think Abrams you don't think all time classics. You think good solid execution on a formula. Which after years of complete incompetence for that franchise should be fine.

I think people are over-hyping themselves like they always tend to do where as I think the more proper level of expectation is "solid film" in the vein of those star trek films.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 20, 2015, 09:23:42 PM
She's seems like she's going to be really plucky  :uguu

I'm in.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: mormapope on October 20, 2015, 09:41:10 PM
I'd be a lot more excited if the basic lore was explored in a new time period, no returning characters, absolutely no nostalgia grabbing whatsoever.

But those things would probably deter a huge chunk of the intended audience.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 20, 2015, 09:43:19 PM
I'd be a lot more excited if the basic lore was explored in a new time period, no returning characters, absolutely no nostalgia grabbing whatsoever.

But those things would probably deter a huge chunk of the intended audience.

Agreed but I can understand why a corporation (And let's be real here Star Wars is a corporation now. Not some pure artistic labor of love) would be like nah, we need to bank on all the nostalgia we can. Especially after those prequels.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 20, 2015, 09:57:40 PM
ROTS is probably the first time I realized I had outgrown Star Wars. I've probably never been as disapointed with a movie. I saw Episode 1 when I was a kid so of course I liked it and while I haven't seen it in a while, I think it may hold up the best because it's a simple adventure movie introducing characters that could have been fun.

I don't even remember Attack of the Clones.

But I think ROTS is easily the worst.

It dosen't even start off good. The strange humor from the droids is tiring in the first 5 mins. So cringe worthy and it never recovers because it's so jarring in contrast with whats going on.

Then you get a plot where characters that never became anything but stuffy assholes act incredibly stupid. Jedi were cool before the prequels. Obi Won was the wise mentor with a tinge of being a rogue.  Yoda the quirky but extremely smart teacher. The Jedi in the prequels are so emotionally sterile and stuffy that they are so un boring to watch. So un fun that I really hate anything with the Jedi. Watching a whole movie of them acting like idiots was shit. Watching Yoda jumping around was distinguished mentally-challenged in Clones. It's painful in ROTS.

The entire Padme and Anakin stuff is so painful to watch. She's a pos character. I don't care that she dies and all it lead to was Darth Vader being whinny. Jesus Christ, I remember seeing episode 1 and coming up with her dieing in the Clone Wars as the motivation for him going dark. Not him being an emo baby because he saw a dream and had to keep their romance a secret.

ROTS was just a unfun movie to watch. Every moment was me just thinking like I got a punch to the groin. I had to deal with the Jedi being morons. I had to deal with Anakin being an idiot and being "tempted" by the darkside. By tempted I mean an obvious evil guy said obviously evil lies to convince you of obviously turning evil. I never thought the birth of Vader would be so stupid, but here was ROTS. All surronded by a story that I care little about because it's shitty and I hate the characters because they are the most un fun characters ever in a damn Sci fi fantasy movie about lazer swords. You can't have a movie like Star Wars where the characters are so uninteresting to watch and interact with. I feel like the only morons who like the prequels and think they are good are those morons who love something because it adds to a cannon.

I never thought I'd be so bored of an epic sword fight that dragged and dragged.

I never thought I'd dislike Star Wars, but ROTS happen.

It was just a shit movie and made me realize that I really dislike the prequels.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 20, 2015, 10:06:18 PM
Big surprise you didn't care when a woman died ::)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 20, 2015, 10:09:48 PM
I don't know what that means.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 20, 2015, 10:16:06 PM
All the prequels are bad so its hard to split hairs.

I think Phantom Menace is the worst. Lots of Jar Jar. Lots of the kid. Long stretches of boring. Yeah it has Darth Maul and that fight but that and some podracing are literally the only redeeming things.

I can't honestly say which is "best". Attack of the Clones had the only suspenseful part of any of the movies for me when Obi Wan goes to Kamino but it also has those incredible lows of the love story and nothing else I can really remember. ROTS basically has the only scenes that I remember when I think of the prequels, but its still not good and its been built on a such a boring mountain of shit that I think everybody just wanted the whole thing to be over by that point. Same as whatever was that third matrix movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on October 20, 2015, 10:17:23 PM
It dosen't even start off good. The strange humor from the droids is tiring in the first 5 mins. So cringe worthy and it never recovers because it's so jarring in contrast with whats going on.

By the way, the canon usage for things George introduced in the Prequels which are entirely out of alignment with what the original trilogy established, is to say "it's so jar-jarring."
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on October 20, 2015, 10:19:52 PM
I'd be a lot more excited if the basic lore was explored in a new time period, no returning characters, absolutely no nostalgia grabbing whatsoever.

But those things would probably deter a huge chunk of the intended audience.
You can probably look forward to the Rogue Squadron movie. In line with Disney's success in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, I'd be surprised if it's not part of some larger, intertwined story arc, but you won't have The Olds onscreen and messing with your bliss.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on October 20, 2015, 10:21:39 PM
I expect very little out of this except pure nostalgia.  We are talking JJ Abrams here, the genius director of               .

We've talked about this before too but pretty much yeah. The best predictor of quality tends to be the director, followed by the writers.

When you think Abrams you don't think all time classics. You think good solid execution on a formula. Which after years of complete incompetence for that franchise should be fine.

I think people are over-hyping themselves like they always tend to do where as I think the more proper level of expectation is "solid film" in the vein of those star trek films.

Better than Trevorrow

Episode IX :kobeyuck
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2015, 10:32:35 PM
She's not a pawg though  ???

Nah I mean story wise. She seems like some type of scavenger/engineer longing to escape her dust toilet planet. I wonder if she build BB-8?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thisismyusername on October 21, 2015, 01:22:01 AM
All the prequels are bad so its hard to split hairs.

I think Phantom Menace is the worst. Lots of Jar Jar. Lots of the kid. Long stretches of boring. Yeah it has Darth Maul and that fight but that and some podracing are literally the only redeeming things.

I can't honestly say which is "best". Attack of the Clones had the only suspenseful part of any of the movies for me when Obi Wan goes to Kamino but it also has those incredible lows of the love story and nothing else I can really remember. ROTS basically has the only scenes that I remember when I think of the prequels, but its still not good and its been built on a such a boring mountain of shit that I think everybody just wanted the whole thing to be over by that point. Same as whatever was that third matrix movie.

Darth Maul was underused. Let's be fair. He could've been the antagonist along with the Senator but noooo, killed off after one film with barely any backstory (that was thrown into the expanded universe which then was jettisoned out the window for NuExpanded Universe).

And I know it's an unpopular opinion, but JarJar as a character wasn't that bad. Cartoonish and for kids, sure. But I never got really annoyed with him outside of the "comedy" bits that were clearly trying to aim for kids but falling flat. Same with Jake Lloyd or Christian as Anakin. A lot of the problems with Anakin came sorely down to George Lucas not being a good writer/script writer/dialogue. This is apparent when you know that the original trilogy later got a few collaborators for Lucas to bounce the ideas off of and they improved those.


Really though, Star Wars has a huge issue with introducing characters into stories/games and then never fully fleshing them out because they're a one-and-done character plot-point and thats it. Like the Darth Sidieious(?) character in KotOR2 who apparently eats worlds but is only explored in that game and barely. Never fleshed out in the expanded universe or anything.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on October 21, 2015, 02:36:10 AM
Agreed on all points, AND it felt like George had a story he wanted to tell, and if the fans clamored for more of something which was different from what he wanted, ZAP he sends that fan-favorite to The Cornfields like a surly brat. Darth Maul's early hype may have driven that first-episode dismissal. Mace Windu went out oh-so-cheaply compared to his supposed "Jedi Master" status. Everyone loved Boba Fett, he was sent off to die in a vagina dentata.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 21, 2015, 03:42:15 AM
I really like the new Star Treks and Super 8, so I have a lot of faith in JJ delivering a solid movie. Sprinkle in a bit of childhood nostalgia and this def could be a 8/10 or a 9/10

I cant think of anyone else better suited to make Star Wars really
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on October 21, 2015, 04:03:23 AM
All the prequels are bad so its hard to split hairs.

I think Phantom Menace is the worst. Lots of Jar Jar. Lots of the kid. Long stretches of boring. Yeah it has Darth Maul and that fight but that and some podracing are literally the only redeeming things.

I can't honestly say which is "best". Attack of the Clones had the only suspenseful part of any of the movies for me when Obi Wan goes to Kamino but it also has those incredible lows of the love story and nothing else I can really remember. ROTS basically has the only scenes that I remember when I think of the prequels, but its still not good and its been built on a such a boring mountain of shit that I think everybody just wanted the whole thing to be over by that point. Same as whatever was that third matrix movie.

Darth Maul was underused. Let's be fair. He could've been the antagonist along with the Senator but noooo, killed off after one film with barely any backstory (that was thrown into the expanded universe which then was jettisoned out the window for NuExpanded Universe).

And I know it's an unpopular opinion, but JarJar as a character wasn't that bad. Cartoonish and for kids, sure. But I never got really annoyed with him outside of the "comedy" bits that were clearly trying to aim for kids but falling flat. Same with Jake Lloyd or Christian as Anakin. A lot of the problems with Anakin came sorely down to George Lucas not being a good writer/script writer/dialogue. This is apparent when you know that the original trilogy later got a few collaborators for Lucas to bounce the ideas off of and they improved those.


Really though, Star Wars has a huge issue with introducing characters into stories/games and then never fully fleshing them out because they're a one-and-done character plot-point and thats it. Like the Darth Sidieious(?) character in KotOR2 who apparently eats worlds but is only explored in that game and barely. Never fleshed out in the expanded universe or anything.

Darth Nihilus
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 21, 2015, 08:02:52 AM
well... there are spoilers going around for this movie.  i just got spoiled and dunno if i want to watch it now

Is Luke the bad guy or not?

I mean, all those contractors he murdered has to be worth a trip to the dark side amirite

I don't know that I think he'd be a full on bad guy. I think he's gonna struggle with the dark side for a minute, runs in the family :-)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on October 21, 2015, 08:31:50 AM
well... there are spoilers going around for this movie.  i just got spoiled and dunno if i want to watch it now

Is Luke the bad guy or not?

I mean, all those contractors he murdered has to be worth a trip to the dark side amirite
I don't know that I think he'd be a full on bad guy. I think he's gonna struggle with the dark side for a minute, runs in the family :-)

I'd be surprised if he goes bad to struggling with it. He struggled on Bespin and again on the second Death Star, when fighting in front of Palpatine. At this point, I think he's the Obi-Wan character -- in fact it wouldn't surprise me if they "rhyme" the sacrifice gambit for one of the new characters in this film or the next.

edit: fixed quote tags
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on October 21, 2015, 09:32:58 AM
Rian Johnson directed Star Wars movie coming up after this :rejoice

Lol this new trilogy really is going to mirror the original in terms of quality as well.

The "homages" just won't stop. :lawd
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 21, 2015, 09:37:17 AM
http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2015/10/your_most_ridiculous_the_force.html#incart_river_home

:hitler
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on October 21, 2015, 01:26:12 PM
I really dug the first Star Trek and Lost. :yeshrug

Cloverfield wasn't bad either. Haven't seen Super8.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 21, 2015, 02:41:22 PM
Into Darkness being the exception, but I don't think JJ Abrams makes bad movies. They look good and are mostly entertaining. They just aren't anything remarkable and are the definition of safe.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on October 21, 2015, 03:08:57 PM
I didn't think Into Darkness was terrible either, just a little too hamfisted with its pandering.

But maybe that's what people will like about the new SW. :yeshrug
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on October 21, 2015, 03:52:46 PM
http://www.avclub.com/article/watch-mark-hamill-basically-pitch-evil-luke-skywal-227192
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on October 21, 2015, 04:10:52 PM
Well....... damn.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on October 21, 2015, 04:56:15 PM
No, Andrex aside from Ewoks Return of the Jedi kicked ass. Had some of the best moments in the series. Colin Treverow directing :kobeyuck

I've made fun of JJ Abrams in the past, but he can put together a great fan film like how Super 8 is essentially a Spielberg rip off. And that's the only movie of his I love. This movie is a lot more than Abrams though, since all it needs is a decent Original Trilogy rip off that's fine.

The Rian Johnson one will most definitely rule though. Have all the faith in the world in his direction. I just wish earlier reports of him doing both sequels were true.

Bro! I love Super 8 too. The Elle Fanning train station scene gave me chills no lie. Probably the single best "moment" Abrams has put on screen so far.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2015, 08:32:25 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2015/10/your_most_ridiculous_the_force.html#incart_river_home

:hitler

Manabyte said it's 100% not true.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on October 22, 2015, 04:45:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVl4MYER0Zc

(http://i.imgur.com/KkijnuN.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on October 22, 2015, 11:26:02 PM
Wow, somehow I had never recognized the similarity between Obi-Wan's battle with Vader, and Luke's, where they both just shut down their lightsaber. That's pretty neat.

Of course, the scenarios are different; Obi-Wan sacrifices himself because Luke needs to escape before Vader can realize his son is nearby and susceptible, whereas Luke is just openly defying the Emperor's attempt to turn him. Luke is ready to die rather than turn, making him more noble than his father.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Barry Egan on October 23, 2015, 12:12:51 AM
Wow, somehow I had never recognized the similarity between Obi-Wan's battle with Vader, and Luke's, where they both just shut down their lightsaber. That's pretty neat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxU2eqZtYmc
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on October 23, 2015, 01:00:23 AM
Trailer only has 38 million views.

Absolute bomba confirmed. Star War is dead.

I didn't think Into Darkness was terrible either, just a little too hamfisted with its pandering.
It doesn't even pander well. And that's ultimately the problem. This was supposed to be a brand new universe to do all sorts of exciting new things in and Abrams Inc. gives us a Nemesis remake and screws up Khan. (Are we supposed to be sympathetic to him? Is he an anti-hero? Is his anger justified? Who exactly is he seeking vengeance against again? Why betray the Enterprise when they're on his side until Spock pulls up old Spock's wiki entry on Khan? Why are we just zooming past RoboCop's valid points? Why is RoboCop over the top evil? Where did he get so many people that agree with him, yet he still needed to gun down the ten other admirals left? Why are we ignoring this "valid" debate that's ideal for Trek? Why am I continuing to do this criticism masked as just asking questions? Did Kirk bang Carol Marcus? Why does she have a British accent when RoboCop's her dad?)

ST and STID are both like The Dark Knight Rises in that the first third or so of the movie is quite good, (in TDKR's case arguably the best part of the trilogy) because it's doing new things "freely" but then then the film decides to GET BIG, loses track of time, tries to explain itself, hook in all the NAMES and the whole thing collapses into a black hole of plot holes, zero sense of time and incoherence, and there's no red matter to blow up and ride the shockwave out of it.

Now that I think about it...the same thing kinda happens in the first two Star Wars prequels...it doesn't in the third because the pacing is shot from the start.

I'm sure Star War will be fine. I think the sequel and side-stories idea set just past the originals is way better way for "bringing it to a new generation" (who will have at least seen the old Star War trilogy by now) than the prequels were. That was always dumb thematically. (Lucas knew Anakin was supposed to be the main character right?) Except Darth Maul.

I thought Trek would have worked better to not do a reboot, but do something like Star War is doing, where you have some old folks to link it in, but you're creating a "new crew" for the "new fans." Trek had precedent with TNG. Characters who are arguably as beloved by later fans as Kirk/Spock/McCoy were. Plus Spock isn't even dead in the original Trek timeline so you still could have had Old Spock!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 23, 2015, 01:38:45 AM
Star Trek doesn't have the same broad appeal and clout that Star Wars has so a reboot made more sense. Its also a lot easier as there are like 5 characters that are famous. In Star Trek only nerdlings know about timelines different generations and wtf is going on.

I may have low standards but especilly the first ST movie was great fun.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on October 23, 2015, 01:57:49 AM
I'm not sure that Kirk/Spock/McCoy is much more recognized than Picard/Data/Worf among newer generations. Giving them a new crew with some older dudes showing up just to tie it in much like was done with TNG seems to make far more sense. Especially, with what was done with the "reboot" in the end.

And that's what Star War seems to be doing. New characters can be part of a mythos but not tied to existing characterization/traits/etc. which is what Abrams' Star Trek is. It's the old characters again. Kirk is still a brash, ladies man who doesn't believe in no win scenarios. Spock is logical and strong. McCoy is grumpy. Scotty is Scottish. Sulu is Asian and therefore likes swords. Chekov is Russian and has a goofy accent. The reboot added a goofy love thing between Spock and Uhura. Also it made Uhura force herself onto away missions so she can bitch at Spock. Otherwise, it's just new stories (or not, in the case of the two films) with the old characters in a slightly off kilter version of the universe. (And the comics do a way better job of "retelling" the old episodes with new slight differences. Which makes them quite enjoyable actually.)

Giving them a new crew instead of rehashing the old one poorly is giving them "their" Star Trek/Star Wars. I think that played a big role in Into Darkness hitting the "cap" at the box office and why Paramount chose to essentially start the reboot over.

EDIT: The Nolans' reboot of Batman worked because they told a story that hadn't been told in the mass-market (Begins) and a different mass-market take on the other main character of the mythos (Joker as a force or concept, rather than a person), and Rises is hurt because they undershot the al Ghul background in Begins, so once they're introduced rather than it just being something new with Bane and Catwoman, it all falls apart trying to hold everything together. (Though it's not their fault Ledger died and took their third act with him.)

Star Trek started to do that, but suddenly, at arguably the peak of the Academy plot with Kirk's gaming the Kobayashi Maru, says "forget all this origin stuff, everybody's in their old roles, half the universe is destroyed, all of Starfleet is dead, life is terrible, let's have some adventures!"
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on October 23, 2015, 02:40:39 AM
I didn't think Into Darkness was terrible either, just a little too hamfisted with its pandering.
It doesn't even pander well. And that's ultimately the problem. This was supposed to be a brand new universe to do all sorts of exciting new things in and Abrams Inc. gives us a Nemesis remake and screws up Khan. (Are we supposed to be sympathetic to him? Is he an anti-hero? Is his anger justified? Who exactly is he seeking vengeance against again? Why betray the Enterprise when they're on his side until Spock pulls up old Spock's wiki entry on Khan? Why are we just zooming past RoboCop's valid points? Why is RoboCop over the top evil? Where did he get so many people that agree with him, yet he still needed to gun down the ten other admirals left? Why are we ignoring this "valid" debate that's ideal for Trek? Why am I continuing to do this criticism masked as just asking questions? Did Kirk bang Carol Marcus? Why does she have a British accent when RoboCop's her dad?)

ST and STID are both like The Dark Knight Rises in that the first third or so of the movie is quite good, (in TDKR's case arguably the best part of the trilogy) because it's doing new things "freely" but then then the film decides to GET BIG, loses track of time, tries to explain itself, hook in all the NAMES and the whole thing collapses into a black hole of plot holes, zero sense of time and incoherence, and there's no red matter to blow up and ride the shockwave out of it.

Now that I think about it...the same thing kinda happens in the first two Star Wars prequels...it doesn't in the third because the pacing is shot from the start.

I'm sure Star War will be fine. I think the sequel and side-stories idea set just past the originals is way better way for "bringing it to a new generation" (who will have at least seen the old Star War trilogy by now) than the prequels were. That was always dumb thematically. (Lucas knew Anakin was supposed to be the main character right?) Except Darth Maul.

I thought Trek would have worked better to not do a reboot, but do something like Star War is doing, where you have some old folks to link it in, but you're creating a "new crew" for the "new fans." Trek had precedent with TNG. Characters who are arguably as beloved by later fans as Kirk/Spock/McCoy were. Plus Spock isn't even dead in the original Trek timeline so you still could have had Old Spock!
I'm not sure that Kirk/Spock/McCoy is much more recognized than Picard/Data/Worf among newer generations. Giving them a new crew with some older dudes showing up just to tie it in much like was done with TNG seems to make far more sense. Especially, with what was done with the "reboot" in the end.

And that's what Star War seems to be doing. New characters can be part of a mythos but not tied to existing characterization/traits/etc. which is what Abrams' Star Trek is. It's the old characters again. Kirk is still a brash, ladies man who doesn't believe in no win scenarios. Spock is logical and strong. McCoy is grumpy. Scotty is Scottish. Sulu is Asian and therefore likes swords. Chekov is Russian and has a goofy accent. The reboot added a goofy love thing between Spock and Uhura. Also it made Uhura force herself onto away missions so she can bitch at Spock. Otherwise, it's just new stories (or not, in the case of the two films) with the old characters in a slightly off kilter version of the universe. (And the comics do a way better job of "retelling" the old episodes with new slight differences. Which makes them quite enjoyable actually.)

Giving them a new crew instead of rehashing the old one poorly is giving them "their" Star Trek/Star Wars. I think that played a big role in Into Darkness hitting the "cap" at the box office and why Paramount chose to essentially start the reboot over.

EDIT: The Nolans' reboot of Batman worked because they told a story that hadn't been told in the mass-market (Begins) and a different mass-market take on the other main character of the mythos (Joker as a force or concept, rather than a person), and Rises is hurt because they undershot the al Ghul background in Begins, so once they're introduced rather than it just being something new with Bane and Catwoman, it all falls apart trying to hold everything together. (Though it's not their fault Ledger died and took their third act with him.)

Star Trek started to do that, but suddenly, at arguably the peak of the Academy plot with Kirk's gaming the Kobayashi Maru, says "forget all this origin stuff, everybody's in their old roles, half the universe is destroyed, all of Starfleet is dead, life is terrible, let's have some adventures!"
(http://i.imgur.com/a5UsGdm.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on October 23, 2015, 04:38:16 AM
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The Nolans' reboot of Batman worked because they told a story that hadn't been told in the mass-market (Begins)

Well yeah. Except it doesn't really work.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on October 23, 2015, 05:02:26 AM
I wasn't really talking about the quality of the film or story. It pulled the franchise out of the goofy lull it was stuck in and led to two billion dollar films. An anti-Superman Returns.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on October 23, 2015, 05:22:13 AM
I wasn't really talking about the quality of the film or story. It pulled the franchise out of the goofy lull it was stuck in and led to two billion dollar films. An anti-Superman Returns.

I'm honestly not certain the success it enjoyed can be dissected with that level of detail. "A story not previously told to the mass market" is a rather vague, nebulous statement to begin with. Anyway, was just taking the occasion to riff on Nolan, so yeah.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on October 23, 2015, 05:48:02 AM
Oh, I didn't mean it to be the only reason or anything. I'm saying that when you hit franchise fatigue and the next film comes along and offers you something other than "Batman fights wacky costumed villains played by famous people" like a detailed origin story that's the kind of reboot that "works." There's barely even a hint of any villains in the first couple trailers.

Star Trek started off on that premise, but then ditched it almost immediately. And I think that's part of why it "didn't take" and boost the franchise beyond its past numbers. Even if the potential for the franchise is much smaller than the Star War, I think an approach like is being taken with the new Star War films would have still been a better one than thinking the solution was bringing back Kirk and Spock. The focus of the teasers and trailers has been on the new stuff, with Han and Chewie getting a few seconds of "hey! they're back too!"

Star Trek kept a lot of the "hey it's that guy!" as the characters background/origin outside of Kirk and Spock, so it didn't really offer a new hook in the slightest, and then they bring back Khan another legacy character. Star War is going to have a bunch of new characters without having a legacy to drag around behind them. It's doing what I think is a perfect way to essentially restart a franchise. Trek had that opportunity and didn't take it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 23, 2015, 07:35:59 AM
I'd like to interrupt this convo just to say I watched Empire last night and it still works. It has quite a serial feel to it. Many of the scenes almost feel like isolated episodes that tie together, some working better than others but ultimately each one is cool. Luke getting captured/Han finding him, the Hoth attack, the Falcon escaping the Empire/flying into the worm, Luke training with Yoda, etc.

I couldn't help but think of films where this blueprint doesn't really work. The Two Towers comes to mind. I still like it overall but the Merry/Pippen/Ents stuff doesn't really work. Likewise TDKR is full of shit that just isn't interesting.

Raiders is a great example of another film with a serial feel that works beginning to end.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on October 23, 2015, 08:25:18 AM
Return of the Jedi is kinda like that too. Everything with Jabba, then stuff on Endor, meeting with Vader/telling Leia, then Luke's up on the Death Star, then Lando and the whole fleet thing is going on.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 23, 2015, 10:25:51 AM
Massive respect for the insightfull posts, specially benji

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 23, 2015, 12:08:16 PM
While I agree with what Benji is saying overall, and do think that the Star War will have more focus on completely new characters than the ST reboots did, I think it's important to note that SW seems to be focused a looooooot on the past. Whether it's Kylo Ren worshiping a melted Vader skull, yet another hero emerging from a desert planet, a battle on an ice planet, a planet or solar system destroying weapon, the new movie seems intent on making enough nods to the past that it is in danger of giving itself whiplash. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but let's not kid ourselves about what it's trying to do.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 23, 2015, 12:13:26 PM
Well they want to get everyone back on board, im sure if this goes down well the next one might be more out there 
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on October 23, 2015, 12:34:16 PM
Well they want to get everyone back on board, im sure if this goes down well the next one might be more out there

I wouldn't get my hopes high in case this turns out to be mediocre, blockbusters have been a litany of endless origin stories with very little payoff with reboots every 5 or 10 years. If you have legit good material, you make the best possible film ASAP, it makes the most artistic and even commercial sense (opening strong is a guarantee to get some mindshare for your sequels). If they are playing it safe here, sequels won't stray too far from that path.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on October 23, 2015, 12:37:37 PM
I'm hopeful for the next Trek since Pegg is writing, though Lin can be spotty.

Really though, I wish it would return to TV. The budgets and effects have advanced so far since the last Trek TV show it's crazy.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 23, 2015, 12:46:04 PM
Im sure they will not reboot or remake star wars
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on October 23, 2015, 01:54:18 PM
Im sure they will not reboot or remake star wars

In the future, who knows ? So far the new films have filled the story before and now after the classic trilogy but the continuity will start to be really busy they could conceivably start to fuck with the existing material. They did give themselves some room by outright labeling the Expanded Universe as apocryphal. I imagine the plan is to make the new characters stick to continue to expand the franchise...

My former post wasn't just about reboots tho. The whole Marvel movie system give me the impression of a giant bait and switch towards the already planned sequel or the next "crossover" film for quite some time now, yet despite all this excruciating tedium of ground work and origin stories the payoff wasn't really there. By design really, since it's the new paradigm of "franchises".
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 05, 2015, 12:23:05 AM
http://youtu.be/oifhpT0HZ7Q
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 06, 2015, 10:27:07 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdAUiyeJMFQ

Fuck it, I'm in.

(http://i.imgur.com/DYfm59O.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2015, 11:15:06 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdAUiyeJMFQ

Fuck it, I'm in.

Star Wars is back. :tocry
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 06, 2015, 11:23:47 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdAUiyeJMFQ

:noah
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on November 06, 2015, 11:50:46 AM
*creams pants* :noah
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on November 06, 2015, 12:00:03 PM
Hmm, something tells me

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Finn bites it during the face off with Kylo in the snow.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2015, 12:01:09 PM
tain't no way that happens
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on November 06, 2015, 12:04:01 PM
tain't no way that happens

Dude was pissing his pants in the last trailer and now whats her face is crying over what could be a body in the same snowy forest? Just saying. :yeshrug

(http://i.imgur.com/x4SiANs.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/qdmwlX9.png)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Purrp Skirrp on November 06, 2015, 12:38:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdAUiyeJMFQ

Fuck it, I'm in.

(http://i.imgur.com/DYfm59O.gif)

Damn, that's the better trailer right there.

Just have to finish ROTJ and I'll be done catching up with OG trilogy.

Seems like ROTJ is regarded as the weakest of the 3?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 06, 2015, 12:53:21 PM
ROTJ starts off really strong, has a weak (bad?) middle and then ends pretty strong.

Just imagine the Ewoks as giant wookies (like they originally planned) and the middle part works better.



Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 06, 2015, 01:34:02 PM
I'm actually pretty ok with Ewoks, and liked the first bit of them stranded on the planet with them. The actual Ewok rebellion throwing stones at the galactic empire just wasn't well realized. Required my brain to squint more than I was willing to handle.

Beginning and end of ROTJ is pretty much peak Star War in my mind.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 06, 2015, 01:43:16 PM
Peak Star War imo is the entirety of everything that happens in Cloud City in ESB.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 06, 2015, 02:00:17 PM
Gotta say I'm really digging the crossguards lightsaber. I was never down on it like some people were, but now I'm thinking it's one of the coolest things in the new movie. Makes Kylo Ren look more like a medieval black knight.

I hope his squad, the Knights of Ren, get some screentime in the film.

I think it's a clumsy uneducated reconstruction of a lightsaber by somebody who doesn't quite have all the skills required. Which makes it pretty cool.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2015, 06:19:57 PM
Gotta say I'm really digging the crossguards lightsaber. I was never down on it like some people were, but now I'm thinking it's one of the coolest things in the new movie. Makes Kylo Ren look more like a medieval black knight.

I hope his squad, the Knights of Ren, get some screentime in the film.

I think it's a clumsy uneducated reconstruction of a lightsaber by somebody who doesn't quite have all the skills required. Which makes it pretty cool.

Exactly.  And its a perfect representation of what we know of Kylo Ren: intense, on the brink, ruthless, cruel, and without purity.

Team crossguard
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2015, 06:38:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdAUiyeJMFQ

Fuck it, I'm in.

(http://i.imgur.com/DYfm59O.gif)
kinda feel bad for the Japanese. The trailer translates the title of the film, but there is no Japanese translation of "Star Wars." Instead it's just spelled in English so they might not even know what this is. I guess this is a good way to go unspoiled but the language barrier must be vexing.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2015, 06:39:54 PM
 :snoop
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on November 06, 2015, 08:13:11 PM
kinda feel bad for the Japanese. The trailer translates the title of the film, but there is no Japanese translation of "Star Wars." Instead it's just spelled in English so they might not even know what this is. I guess this is a good way to go unspoiled but the language barrier must be vexing.
:expert

Gotta say I'm really digging the crossguards lightsaber. I was never down on it like some people were, but now I'm thinking it's one of the coolest things in the new movie. Makes Kylo Ren look more like a medieval black knight.

I hope his squad, the Knights of Ren, get some screentime in the film.

I think it's a clumsy uneducated reconstruction of a lightsaber by somebody who doesn't quite have all the skills required. Which makes it pretty cool.

Yeah, those were my thoughts as well. That thing looks like it's barely contained, as opposed to the perfect integrity of the Jedi and Sith sabers we have previously seen.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 12, 2015, 05:04:41 PM
Star Wars prequels didn't suck, we're just too stupid to understand Lucas' genius:

http://www.vice.com/read/this-guy-spent-two-years-writing-one-article-about-how-the-star-wars-prequels-didnt-suck-106

(http://www.starwarsringtheory.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/SW-Table41.jpg)

:ohhh

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:neogaf
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Rufus on November 12, 2015, 05:07:22 PM
It makes sense, because this guy will kill himself if it doesn't.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 12, 2015, 05:46:30 PM
Star Wars prequels didn't suck, we're just too stupid to understand Lucas' genius:

http://www.vice.com/read/this-guy-spent-two-years-writing-one-article-about-how-the-star-wars-prequels-didnt-suck-106

(http://www.starwarsringtheory.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/SW-Table41.jpg)

:ohhh

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:neogaf
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on November 12, 2015, 06:30:35 PM
Star Wars prequels didn't suck, we're just too stupid to understand Lucas' genius:

http://www.vice.com/read/this-guy-spent-two-years-writing-one-article-about-how-the-star-wars-prequels-didnt-suck-106

(http://www.starwarsringtheory.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/SW-Table41.jpg)

:ohhh

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:neogaf
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Dude sounds a lot more rational than I'd expected.

The Prequels area still horrible.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Yeti on November 13, 2015, 08:33:16 AM
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--IkMkGpZh--/1514493301005531685.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on November 15, 2015, 07:18:16 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/cptQFqV.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 15, 2015, 08:57:45 PM
It's probably Pan and Scan.  :yuck
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on November 16, 2015, 12:54:00 AM
It's probably Pan and Scan.  :yuck

Majestic 4:3 "fullscreen!" :rejoice
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 20, 2015, 03:00:42 PM
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George Lucas, the mastermind behind the Star Wars franchise, says no more.

Lucas told Vanity Fair that he didn't want to be a part of the long-awaited seventh episode of the Star Wars saga, "The Force Awakens," because "it's not much fun" when you "go to make a movie and all you do is get criticized."

He spoke to "CBS This Morning" co-host Charlie Rose about his decision to never direct another "Star Wars" picture.

"The issue was ultimately, they looked at the stories and they said, 'We want to make something for the fans,'" Lucas said. "People don't actually realize it's actually a soap opera and it's all about family problems - it's not about spaceships. So they decided they didn't want to use those stories, they decided they were going to do their own thing so I decided, 'fine.... I'll go my way and I let them go their way.'"

This marks the first time Lucas is not intimately involved, which Lucas compared to a breakup.

"When you break up with somebody, the first rule is no phone calls. The second rule, you don't go over to their house and drive by to see what they're doing," he said laughing. "The third one is you don't show up at their coffee shop and say you are going to burn it... You just say 'Nope, gone, history, I'm moving forward.'"

The full interview will air on "CBS This Morning" in December, as part of our Kennedy center Honors coverage. Lucas is among this year's recipients.



http://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-lucas-on-why-he-is-done-directing-star-wars/
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 20, 2015, 03:17:13 PM
Quote
George Lucas, the mastermind behind the Star Wars franchise, says no more.

Lucas told Vanity Fair that he didn't want to be a part of the long-awaited seventh episode of the Star Wars saga, "The Force Awakens," because "it's not much fun" when you "go to make a movie and all you do is get criticized."

He spoke to "CBS This Morning" co-host Charlie Rose about his decision to never direct another "Star Wars" picture.

"The issue was ultimately, they looked at the stories and they said, 'We want to make something for the fans,'" Lucas said. "People don't actually realize it's actually a soap opera and it's all about family problems - it's not about spaceships. So they decided they didn't want to use those stories, they decided they were going to do their own thing so I decided, 'fine.... I'll go my way and I let them go their way.'"

This marks the first time Lucas is not intimately involved, which Lucas compared to a breakup.

"When you break up with somebody, the first rule is no phone calls. The second rule, you don't go over to their house and drive by to see what they're doing," he said laughing. "The third one is you don't show up at their coffee shop and say you are going to burn it... You just say 'Nope, gone, history, I'm moving forward.'"

The full interview will air on "CBS This Morning" in December, as part of our Kennedy center Honors coverage. Lucas is among this year's recipients.



http://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-lucas-on-why-he-is-done-directing-star-wars/

 :lucas

dude's still awful
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 20, 2015, 03:19:05 PM
I don't really get what he is trying to say with the "for fans" versus "it's a soap opera" comment. He obviously means the comparison in a derogatory manner but I'm not sure what he actually means.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 20, 2015, 03:28:00 PM
"You don't understand, terrible plot development, throwing a robot/alien into the background of literally every shot, and casual racism in the form of Jar-Jar are all important elements of soap operas."
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 20, 2015, 03:39:32 PM
It's not spaceships...

Yeah. It's not like amazing effects were a big factor in why the franchise got big while the family aspects were thought up on the fly as you're winging it during the second movie. Sure George.

The thing is though most people feel the prequels concentrated too much on tech. Too much green screen. Too much focus on 20 minute light saber duels. And he's the one who goes back and adds special effects to the movies. So I don't understand his position at all. I mean I get that's its probably not fun for everybody to shit on the work you've done but I don't get his comments in relation to the movies he delivered.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Shadow Mod on November 20, 2015, 03:43:21 PM
The most neutered soap opera ever sure  :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2015, 03:52:25 PM
Honestly the story/plot wasn't the problem with the prequels - or at least, wasn't one of the top 5 problems with the prequels. I thought the plots were often rather stale, especially the trade stuff in PM...but if the films had a competent script it wouldn't have been an issue at all. Ultimately everyone knew how the three films would go: introduce Anakin, get to the Clone Wars, explain Anakin's descent to the dark side. That was always going to be the arc. How they did it is the problem, not the side stories and subplots.

The excessive green screen, the terrible acting, the lack of any memorable characters, the lack of iconic or even memorable moments, the stale direction and repetitive fight choreography, etc etc etc were all far bigger issues.

So I wouldn't mind Lucas coming up with stories. However what I would mind is Lucas being in charge of the film - because you just know he'd surround himself with sychophants and produce a half assed trilogy.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Shadow Mod on November 20, 2015, 03:53:26 PM
The biggest problem with the prequels is no one really needed to know the badass Darth Vader was an annoying child who turned into an emo little shit before finally becoming Vader.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on November 20, 2015, 04:13:11 PM
Prequels should have been Obi-Wan's journey. Fucking waste of Ewan McGregor (though he does do the best he can, which is more than can be said for Sam Jackson and basically everyone except Ian McDiarmid.)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 20, 2015, 04:39:36 PM
Ian McDiarmid is awful in the prequels
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 20, 2015, 04:40:29 PM
Prequels should have been Obi-Wan's journey.

I actually agree with this. Anakin should have been a part of the Obi-Wan story. Not vice versa.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on November 20, 2015, 04:56:02 PM
Ian McDiarmid is awful in the prequels

(https://33.media.tumblr.com/b647428f1b6da0e289dbe61a3aabd066/tumblr_inline_nif9neHaUg1t933mn.gif)

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His hamminess is one of the few bright spots. And at least he tried to act, unlike Sam Jackson.

When he tells Anakin, "haha, kill him" and Dooku looks over like "WTF"... :lol
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Shadow Mod on November 20, 2015, 05:05:10 PM
You only see one romantic relationship in the prequels and it goes as follows:

Be a creep, knock a girl up, abuse her.

 :yeshrug

Then the other main relationship is sterile and fraught with Anakin talkin' like a punkass behind Obi Wan's back. And Obi basically has to end him after like 45 minutes of green screen shit.

 :shaq2
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2015, 05:07:42 PM
I doubt he's talking about that type of soap opera. I assumed he meant space opera.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Shadow Mod on November 20, 2015, 05:15:42 PM
Space opera doesn't preclude that the most emotions come from the droids.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 20, 2015, 06:01:56 PM
I understand Qui-Gon had to get got, but its too bad because Neeson was the only one who could take the stilted dialogue and make it actually work as intended and make it great.

McGregor seemed to sneak in some actual humanity and emotion into the role behind Lucas back. ("YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!!" actual came across as  :stahp no matter how it probably read).

McDarmid just hammed it the fuck up because why shouldn't he have?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on November 20, 2015, 06:39:06 PM
McGregor was more than OK in a sea of shit. Christopher Lee was pretty commanding as well, but that was him, not the role.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on November 20, 2015, 10:34:54 PM
Ian McDiarmid is awful in the prequels

I thought he was great!

You only see one romantic relationship in the prequels and it goes as follows:

Be a creep, knock a girl up, abuse her.

 :yeshrug

Then the other main relationship is sterile and fraught with Anakin talkin' like a punkass behind Obi Wan's back. And Obi basically has to end him after like 45 minutes of green screen shit.

 :shaq2
I love this summary.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 21, 2015, 01:52:36 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi5jjXTPtyY

:stahp :stahp :stahp :stahp :stahp
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on November 21, 2015, 03:14:21 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz-SaMu8k3w
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 21, 2015, 01:48:20 PM
Saw the trailer today in the cinema

Goddamn guys this is gonna be good
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on November 21, 2015, 02:39:23 PM
Saw the trailer today in the cinema

Goddamn guys this is gonna be good

Which trailer? This one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD7bpG-zDJQ

:teehee
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on November 21, 2015, 07:22:58 PM
Nope, this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fDlPI1vI2A
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on November 25, 2015, 01:22:16 AM
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/fox-news-contributor-gets-death-843833

:picard
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on November 25, 2015, 02:03:39 AM
+1 for crossnerding to Picard's franchise.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on November 25, 2015, 02:18:37 AM
+1 for crossnerding to Picard's franchise.

Like my post then beyotch :mouf
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on November 25, 2015, 02:20:26 AM
-1 for linking to Fox News.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on November 25, 2015, 02:27:19 AM
 >:( fuk u bitch
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on November 25, 2015, 03:22:50 AM
Remember when people bought tickets to Meet Joe Black to catch a first glimpse of the Phantom Menace trailer?

No because I was 8 at the time
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 25, 2015, 08:34:52 AM
I know some of you aren't in the Battlefront thread but guys that game is like being in Star Wars for reals

Catching a glimpse of an AT AT through the trees on Endor  :lawd

The presentation and feel is so spot on, only other SW game that had this feel for me is the Sega Star Wars Arcade game (or the 80's Atari Arcade which was one of my first games lol).

If they add a Death Star run at some point :lawd
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 25, 2015, 11:08:08 AM
I know some of you aren't in the Battlefront thread but guys that game is like being in Star Wars for reals

Catching a glimpse of an AT AT through the trees on Endor  :lawd

The presentation and feel is so spot on, only other SW game that had this feel for me is the Sega Star Wars Arcade game (or the 80's Atari Arcade which was one of my first games lol).

If they add a Death Star run at some point :lawd

 :neogaf

(http://i.imgur.com/CSBiByz.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 25, 2015, 12:24:34 PM
Remember when people bought tickets to Meet Joe Black to catch a first glimpse of the Phantom Menace trailer?

(http://i.imgur.com/xYigfAN.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mupepe on November 25, 2015, 01:21:47 PM
Remember when people bought tickets to Meet Joe Black to catch a first glimpse of the Phantom Menace trailer?
Meet Joe Black is pretty good tbh.  Peanut Butter.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 25, 2015, 02:20:47 PM
Haha aia that gif is great
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on November 26, 2015, 06:09:52 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/25/entertainment/fox-news-star-wars-death-threats-feat/index.html

 :brazilcry
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on November 27, 2015, 12:45:17 AM
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/25/entertainment/fox-news-star-wars-death-threats-feat/index.html

 :brazilcry

Posted last page breh.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on November 27, 2015, 01:44:57 AM
:brazilcry
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Yeti on November 27, 2015, 08:19:48 PM
PG-13 :rejoice
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 30, 2015, 04:35:39 PM
http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/george-lucas-explains-controversial-greedo-han-solo-star-wars-edit-20151130

 :lucas
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 30, 2015, 04:42:25 PM
I've always thought that story was both what was wrong with fandom in general and what was wrong with Lucas in particular.

I came to Star Wars very very late so the whole thing on initial exposure sounded like the dumbest argument ever. And it still feels that way to me. But after time, I understood it more as who owns art, the creators or the fans rather than a dumb ass argument over who shot first.

As always I don't have a problem with him dicking around with his stuff even when he's making things ostensibly worse. Just always give people a choice when it comes to purchasing the stuff. It makes sense from both an artistic sense and a business sense.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: brawndolicious on November 30, 2015, 04:46:33 PM
On my way to work, I saw a blue and white jumbo jet landing at San Jose airport with Star Wars written on the side. I think it was ANA airlines. It was weird.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on November 30, 2015, 05:27:57 PM
I've always thought that story was both what was wrong with fandom in general and what was wrong with Lucas in particular.

I came to Star Wars very very late so the whole thing on initial exposure sounded like the dumbest argument ever. And it still feels that way to me. But after time, I understood it more as who owns art, the creators or the fans rather than a dumb ass argument over who shot first.

As always I don't have a problem with him dicking around with his stuff even when he's making things ostensibly worse. Just always give people a choice when it comes to purchasing the stuff. It makes sense from both an artistic sense and a business sense.
There's a neat quote about art from DaVinci: "Art is never finished, only abandoned." Normally I take this positively, but in GL's case he simply doesn't know when to leave well-enough alone. It's as though some hugely popular piece in a museum, which continues to have crowds and papers written about it, and the artist disagrees with it, so he takes it back, keeps working on it, mainly to change how he feels now about it -- eradicating how he felt when he originally created it.

As an artist, I wish GL respected his own earlier work more.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 30, 2015, 05:42:10 PM
It's as though some hugely popular piece in a museum, which continues to have crowds and papers written about it, and the artist disagrees with it, so he takes it back, keeps working on it, mainly to change how he feels now about it -- eradicating how he felt when he originally created it.

This is definitely him to a T. He basically can't let go. The technology allowed him to keep tinkering with stuff way past when he should have when he should probably have just moved on to creating new art instead of constantly remixing the old stuff.

Then again there is also something about fandom I don't like here where it can overly be about "You ruined my childhood type emotions". Of course Lucas poisoned the well himself by not allowing both pieces of art to freely exist. A less egotistical person would have allowed the original vision to exist and be easily accessible even when doing that tinkering. Stupid analogy but kind of like Skyrim modding. Skyrim modding doesn't invalidate the original work. It exists along side it. And both are valued. But his ego is too big for that. He has to tell everybody, no I thought this guy should be like John Wayne. Trying to impose his vision beyond just creating the original work and letting it be. He's like the  director's cut gone bad. He could easily say what he intended and that would be a valid part of the discussion. But he has to go back and change things to spite people just because they had a different interpretation than him.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 30, 2015, 06:25:17 PM
The idea of Greedo shooting first never particularly bothered me that much, it was more than the edit looked so laughably awful and cheap. No matter how many times Lucas went back and tinkered with the scene, it never looked anything other than something that was tacked on at a much later date.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 01, 2015, 01:57:36 AM
Best thing to come out of this franchise was this line in the RLM review for Revenge of the Sith:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du0buC_H0CQ
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 02, 2015, 02:27:14 PM
Theres gonna be a han solo movie? Thanks disney
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on December 02, 2015, 05:54:25 PM
Man... so much star wars on the horizon. 

It makes me wonder if after the 15th or so movie there will be some real stinkers in the mix that will rival the prequels or worse... the holiday special.  :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Barry Egan on December 02, 2015, 10:26:38 PM
Theres gonna be a han solo movie? Thanks disney

ugh. present-day harrison ford cannot carry a film.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 02, 2015, 10:30:33 PM
Han Solo is a 13 year old boy living a scrappy life on the streets, Ford isn't involved
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 02, 2015, 10:45:54 PM
Can't wait for the scene where young Solo rescues Chewy from a wookie fighting ring and teaches him how to shoot a blaster.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 02, 2015, 10:51:31 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/ddJbPSo.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 03, 2015, 08:21:04 AM
Gonna watch the despecialized Empire Strikes Back aaaw yeah

One good thing about being sick.at home with a sick kid
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 03, 2015, 08:52:07 AM
Han Solo is a 13 year old boy living a scrappy life on the streets.

:kobeyuck
What Wrath, mad that MC Solo grew up tagging walls with graffiti and breakdancing?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Barry Egan on December 03, 2015, 11:30:27 AM
Han Solo is a 13 year old boy living a scrappy life on the streets, Ford isn't involved

Wow it's somehow even worse than I imagined.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 03, 2015, 11:34:37 AM
Theres gonna be a han solo movie? Thanks disney

ugh. present-day harrison ford cannot carry a film.

I don't think he can even stay sober enough to do a whole movie.   No wonder they are replacing him with a 13 yearold. 
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 03, 2015, 12:43:01 PM
I wanna see new shit with new characters. Not dipping into the same shit's history over and over again. I understand this is the last part of  the "trilogy" so a lot of the near future content will continue to keep referencing the Skywalker legacy and all that but ultimately I want them to create new shit instead of coasting over the same shit again and again.

I hate how the Terminator franchise is always stuck on the characters of Sarah Connor, John Conner, and Kyle Reese, etc. I eventually will feel the same about Star Wars. Create some new stuff that is good so its not just always nostalgia.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 03, 2015, 12:44:48 PM
Rogue One should have been a TV series IMO.

Han Solo prequel... whatever. It can work and he's as good a choice as any.

The rest, trash it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 03, 2015, 01:29:12 PM
To be clear, I was bullshitting about 13, but it's not going to be Ford, and it is Disney, so don't be surprised if it's basically Star Wars Babies :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 03, 2015, 01:35:42 PM
Honestly, I think Han Solo's back story might be interesting enough to carry it's own movie. Just where did that scoundrel come from?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 03, 2015, 03:28:47 PM
According to my brother they have an age range of 15-31 for casting, so you were pretty close :lol

"13, 15, 31, it's all pretty close." ~Someone on GAF in the Marie Rose thread
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 03, 2015, 04:42:56 PM
A Han Solo origin story as a space gangster/scifi cops-and-robbers movie would be great.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 08, 2015, 12:43:59 AM
Quote
he father of the Star Wars franchise has seen Star Wars: The Force Awakens and is a fan...kind of?

LucasFilm President Kathleen Kennedy told THR that Lucas "really liked" the film after attending an early screening.

But when Vulture had the opportunity to ask Lucas to elaborate on his thoughts, he was less effusive. “I think the fans are going to love it,” he said. “It’s very much the kind of movie they’ve been looking for.”

lol. What a crabby old man.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 08, 2015, 03:09:34 AM
He makes it sound like the fans didn't get his vision, when in fact he produced 3 turds.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 08, 2015, 01:50:21 PM
I wonder if we'll ever hear what Lucas' original plan for VII-IX was?

Nine days to go, can't wait.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bork on December 08, 2015, 01:55:32 PM
I wonder if we'll ever hear what Lucas' original plan for VII-IX was?

Nine days to go, can't wait.

Muppets
Toys
More toys
Merchandising
$$$
Muppets
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 12, 2015, 06:14:53 PM
Not going to post an article with a pic but you may Google at your own leisure

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/stars-wars-toy-leaks-early-lucasfilm-tries-remove-232217812.html

Walmart :ufup
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 12, 2015, 06:22:39 PM
Feel like it's not a big deal.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on December 15, 2015, 06:17:06 PM
https://youtu.be/2HaGe8XcMHA
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Shadow Mod on December 15, 2015, 07:13:00 PM
I just want to see the Mr Plinkett vid deconstructing all of it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 15, 2015, 08:05:00 PM
https://youtu.be/2HaGe8XcMHA

The "interview" with JJ felt straight out of Space Ghost Coast 2 Coast.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bork on December 16, 2015, 01:57:15 PM
(Apparent) spoilers if you're like me and don't give a shit:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Seriously, spoilers. 
spoiler (click to show/hide)
-There's another deathstar.  It's all new.  Except it still has a weak point. :lol ::)
-Kylo Ren is Darth Vader's grandson.  He serves an evil master and holy shit we've seen all this before.
-Luke is in the film for like a minute.
-Han Solo dies.
-This movie is a total Star Wars rehash. 
[close]
[close]
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 16, 2015, 02:10:51 PM
All of that except the second to last point was obvious from marketing material.

I sorta figured the other one based on some things, but it probably would have been better not knowing. Ah well.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 16, 2015, 02:25:31 PM
(Apparent) spoilers if you're like me and don't give a shit:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Seriously, spoilers. 
spoiler (click to show/hide)
-There's another deathstar.  It's all new.  Except it still has a weak point. :lol ::)
-Kylo Ren is Darth Vader's grandson.  He serves an evil master and holy shit we've seen all this before.
-Luke is in the film for like a minute.
-Han Solo dies.
-This movie is a total Star Wars rehash. 
[close]
[close]

DON'T CARE. NOT THE PREQUELS. GONNA BE FUN.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Trent Dole on December 16, 2015, 02:35:15 PM
lol, so lame. Gonna find an imax or some shit anyway~
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 16, 2015, 02:38:04 PM
Bork just salty the female lead in this doesn't look 12 and have impossibly large tits :uguu
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 16, 2015, 03:08:52 PM
Bork just salty the female lead in this doesn't look 12 and have impossibly large tits :uguu

Leia himesama  :heartbeat

(http://i.imgur.com/u4UVF8g.jpg?1)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 16, 2015, 03:21:07 PM
(Apparent) spoilers if you're like me and don't give a shit:
[.  [/spoiler][/spoiler]

So, it's like the chiptunes version of your favorite song?

I'm just going for the space battles. All that other stuff is just extra.



Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 16, 2015, 03:29:28 PM
Chiptunes versions of your favorite song :aah :rock

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF5Wl4JDQjY

:rock
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 16, 2015, 03:47:25 PM
Love how  all these nerd blogs which don't review movies suddenly falling over themselves to cum onto their keyboards for The Force Awakens.

Wired
Kotaku
The Verge
TechCrunch
Ars Technica

What's next?

STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS
THE DEFINITIVE COUNTRY LIVING REVIEW
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 16, 2015, 04:02:58 PM
Pretty much all those sites have reviewed comic book or big nerd movies before.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 16, 2015, 04:05:22 PM
I don't religiously read Kotaku so I dunno there, and I do know that The Verge does it (even for some non-nerd movies sometimes), but still.

Wired, TechCrunch, Ars Technica? Fuck I'm expecting Digital Foundry and Anandtech next.

Gotta make that Nerdboy $$$$ I guess.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 16, 2015, 04:16:51 PM
Love how  all these nerd blogs which don't review movies suddenly falling over themselves to cum onto their keyboards for The Force Awakens.

Wired
Kotaku
The Verge
TechCrunch
Ars Technica

What's next?

STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS
THE DEFINITIVE COUNTRY LIVING REVIEW

I've been looking forward to the movie but have been getting a bit weary of having Star Wars put on ridiculously full blast.

But this is a pretty fucking dumb whine.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 16, 2015, 04:17:36 PM
I've been looking forward to the movie but have been getting a bit weary of having Star Wars put on ridiculously full blast.

But this is a pretty fucking dumb whine.

Hello my name is Tasty Meat, have we met? :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 16, 2015, 04:21:57 PM
I'm honestly not even sure anymore  :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 16, 2015, 04:30:34 PM
...would you like to?  :-*
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on December 16, 2015, 04:45:04 PM
(Apparent) spoilers if you're like me and don't give a shit:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Seriously, spoilers. 
spoiler (click to show/hide)
-There's another deathstar.  It's all new.  Except it still has a weak point. :lol ::)
-Kylo Ren is Darth Vader's grandson.  He serves an evil master and holy shit we've seen all this before.
-Luke is in the film for like a minute.
-Han Solo dies.
-This movie is a total Star Wars rehash. 
[close]
[close]

Thank you. The GAF thread wasn't able to convey this in over 15 pages.
Honestly I'm pretty numb to the idea of seeing the movie anyway.

Also my alarm bells are ringing off with the "Yeah character X / plot thread Y gonna be explored in the other movies". I want to see a movie, not an exposition dump or infomercial for the franchise.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 16, 2015, 05:05:30 PM
Can't wait for a few months to pass, when we can all agree that this movie was a steaming pile of shit. :aah
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: El Babua on December 16, 2015, 06:17:10 PM
Always figured it would be solid, even if not remarkable.

Good base for the next two films to kick it up a notch.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 16, 2015, 06:19:59 PM
I read the WIRED review right up until the first major spoiler in it, and made myself stop reading. I want to experience this whole thing with as little foreknowledge as possible, and I was surprised to find a few there.

Then there's this:
(https://i.imgur.com/EjhpxdD.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 17, 2015, 04:19:54 AM
Thank you. The GAF thread wasn't able to convey this in over 15 pages.
Honestly I'm pretty numb to the idea of seeing the movie anyway.

Also my alarm bells are ringing off with the "Yeah character X / plot thread Y gonna be explored in the other movies". I want to see a movie, not an exposition dump or infomercial for the franchise.
85 page illustrated PDF that's "99% accurate" https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByQR6taehVh7MUdKLWdLRUx5eG8/view

Regarding two things what bork posted in more detail and one other:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
gonna
spoiler (click to show/hide)
spoil breh
spoiler (click to show/hide)
-Main plot is Luke is missing and everybody wants to find him cuz he's Mark Hamill and they need someone to voice The Joker again
-Extra bonus black kid also has the force cuz why not, of course he does, is a big failure at everything for the entire movie
-Kylo is Han/Leia's son named Ben who Luke fucked up somehow when he ran some shitty Jedi Academy that failed with everybody else dying
-Rey, who also has the force and never knew her parents, is sent by Leia to meet some dude at the end who turns around and is Luke and...THE MOVIE IMMEDIATELY ENDS YOU EXCITED FOR EPISODE EIGHT IN 2017 WHEN THINGS WILL BE SETUP FOR EPISODE NINE IN 2019?!?!?!?!?
[close]
[close]
[close]

"It's complete garbage. 9.5/10." - IGN.com
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Post by: benjipwns on December 17, 2015, 04:40:02 AM
lol reading some of these reviews...no plot stuff should be in any of these quotes, I tried to delete all:
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From the iconic opening crawl through the wordless last frames of "Star Wars: Episode VII — The Force Awakens," director J.J. Abrams steers pop-culture's most beloved sci-fi saga in an exhilarating new direction.

This is what he was handpicked to do. But the fact that he achieves such breathless velocity so quickly is not just a testament to his hardcore fandom (having seen the original "Star Wars" at the age of 11) but his well-deserved reputation as Hollywood's reboot master, injecting new life into the "Mission Impossible" and "Star Trek" franchises in recent years.

The result is a "Star Wars" film that intelligently (and shamelessly) refracts the best angles of its predecessors, particularly "Episode IV — A New Hope" and "Episode V — The Empire Strikes Back," while checking nearly every imaginable box on fans' wish lists. It's the "Star Wars" movie we've been waiting for, and the one we didn't know we needed.

Quote
Although this reviewer saw the film in 2-D, a sense of figurative depth pervaded each scene.

Quote
Still, the seemingly endless notes Abrams needed to hit, from rejuvenating a multibillion dollar franchise to crafting a riveting standalone drama that just happens to take place amid lightsabers and space battles, would have exhausted a lesser soul.

But a great "Star Wars" movie is more than just a symphony whose conductor intertwines dozens of elements with dynamic flair. It's a rousing expedition in search of the humanity (conflicted and wounded though it may be) amid all this exotic spectacle.

Abrams, well aware of the stakes, is our able guide.


Quote
IT is increasingly likely that at some point in the future, every film will be remade.

Even the seemingly untouchable and iconic ones – like, say, Star Wars – will get a re-imagining centuries from now.

If someone 100 years in the future is bold/stupid enough to remake the original 1977 saga-spawning game-changing sci-fi classic, they would do well to check out J.J. Abrams’ sterling effort with Episode VII.

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Add in the fact this has the best acting, best dialogue, best direction, and best cinematography of any film in the entire franchise, and the prequels don’t stand a chance. It doesn’t have the myth-making quality of the original – nothing can – nor does it have a stack of classic moments, but nonetheless this is technically a better crafted film than any of its predecessors.

Quote
There is also a dark air to this that, while certainly no darker than the deepest pockets of episodes III and V, stamps this as a film for the older fans. The slapstick of Jar Jar Binks and twee annoyances of young ‘Ani’ Skywalker are nowhere to be seen, thank the maker. It’s largely bloodless, but its M rating is warranted.

Also wat at this review:
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Frankly, there's no stand-out signature set piece in Episode VII to compare, say, to the trench dive in the original, the asteroid chase in The Empire Strikes Back (1980),  or the brilliant Yoda vs Dooku duel in Attack of the Clones (2002). (Just to name a few.)
That's the duel in the series you're going to pick breh?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 17, 2015, 10:18:17 AM
Quote
But the fact that he achieves such breathless velocity so quickly is not just a testament to his hardcore fandom (having seen the original "Star Wars" at the age of 11) but his well-deserved reputation as Hollywood's reboot master

http://www.clickhole.com/article/fanboy-loves-star-wars-so-much-he-plans-watch-forc-1514
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 17, 2015, 11:26:03 AM
Also wat at this review:
Quote
Frankly, there's no stand-out signature set piece in Episode VII to compare, say, to the trench dive in the original, the asteroid chase in The Empire Strikes Back (1980),  or the brilliant Yoda vs Dooku duel in Attack of the Clones (2002). (Just to name a few.)
That's the duel in the series you're going to pick breh?

I didn't know anyone actually liked that duel. It was dumb back then, and it's still dumb now.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 17, 2015, 11:30:49 AM
The only interesting thing about that duel was the concept - ie seeing how such a small character could duel a larger character. Everything else (fight choreography especially) was trash.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 17, 2015, 11:34:12 AM
I always liked the idea that Yoda didn't need to use a lightsaber.

[shrug]
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Trent Dole on December 17, 2015, 12:24:53 PM
Also wat at this review:
Quote
Frankly, there's no stand-out signature set piece in Episode VII to compare, say, to the trench dive in the original, the asteroid chase in The Empire Strikes Back (1980),  or the brilliant Yoda vs Dooku duel in Attack of the Clones (2002). (Just to name a few.)
That's the duel in the series you're going to pick breh?

I didn't know anyone actually liked that duel. It was dumb back then, and it's still dumb now.
WHO DA MAN? YODA MAN!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 17, 2015, 01:51:30 PM
http://www.clickhole.com/article/fanboy-loves-star-wars-so-much-he-plans-watch-forc-1514
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His devotion has only grown since, to the point that, when he was in college, he bought a used copy of Star Wars: Battlefront at Blockbuster, which he played numerous times on his Playstation 2.

Do you know a bigger Star Wars fanboy than Mark Weesen? We’re not saying it’s impossible, but you’d probably only find one in a galaxy far, far away!
that ending :dead
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 17, 2015, 03:08:32 PM
Just heard that episode nine is going to be split into two parts 

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:ryker
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 17, 2015, 07:41:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_H3_g9PhnM

:lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 17, 2015, 07:54:49 PM
I love how completely annoyed Tarkin looks. :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Yeti on December 17, 2015, 11:59:27 PM
Also wat at this review:
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Frankly, there's no stand-out signature set piece in Episode VII to compare, say, to the trench dive in the original, the asteroid chase in The Empire Strikes Back (1980),  or the brilliant Yoda vs Dooku duel in Attack of the Clones (2002). (Just to name a few.)
That's the duel in the series you're going to pick breh?

I didn't know anyone actually liked that duel. It was dumb back then, and it's still dumb now.

Agreed but I did enjoy the five seconds of Anakin dual wielding those lightsabers beforehand.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 18, 2015, 12:38:11 AM
Movie was fantastic.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 18, 2015, 01:29:45 AM
Saw that this hasn't cracked $200 million yet. What a complete box office bomba.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Boogie on December 18, 2015, 02:15:07 AM
The more I think about it the more and more I start loving this movie, flaws and all. I now think it's definitely up there with the OT and while it's not better than Empire, it's definitely up there with A New Hope and Jedi and is maybe better. Fuck whatever haters come up with(justifiably in some cases), I loved it.

I think I'm with you.  It wasn't perfect but it was fuckin' fun[.   

And still heartbreaking, in that scene.

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-agreed with first half > second half.  The new superweapon was just like "oh, hmm, the bad guys have a new mega weapon.  Where's it's weak spot, Let's go destroy it, lolz"
-agreed with stilted Leia delivery, but it worked for what they gave her to do.
-Lovvved the new characters.  Finn and Rey had great chemistry.  Poe is my main man, a Wedge for the next generation.  I even really liked Kylo Ren.  He's not Vader.  He's a scared kid living in the shadow of the galaxy's greatest villain, wanting to measure up to that legacy, but he just can't.    Until he kills Han. :(
-I am both frustrated and impressed with how they handled Luke.  I wanted to see him show up and have more to do, but as a story I liked that they had "where is Luke Skywalker, and what happened to him" set up as a mystery for the characters themselves.  Though he could have been hanging in a cooler locale than just some ocean cliffs.
-At first, I was really put off by Rey being able to kick so much ass with a lightsaber the first time she touches one, even if she is strong in the Force.  But then I remembered at the start of the film they set her up as having some ass kicking skills with her bo staff thingy, so I'm more willing to give that a bit of leeway, especially as Kylo had just taken a Chewbacca blast to the gut.

-Han was great, though I think they towed the line of him being too goofy at times, such as when the pirate gangs board his ship, or he's quipping when they are planning their big attack on the base.  But overall, Han was great.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Positive Touch on December 18, 2015, 02:57:07 AM
i don't even like star wars like that but that was a fun ass movie. almost makes me wanna start being a star wars geek. almost.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 18, 2015, 03:12:04 AM
I really liked it. Fun movie that reminded me why I like Star Wars.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 18, 2015, 03:17:13 AM
And I love how

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Rey wrecked Kylo's shit. Hardcore. I also liked how her fighting style was just clumsy lunges. Nice that she didn't really know what she was doing but managed to hold her own.

I knew Han was gonna die, but damn. That still sucked. :-(
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 18, 2015, 05:40:32 AM
Time to stop clicking on this thread till I see this masterpiece

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 18, 2015, 11:50:46 AM
Thoughts:

This was a good movie. This was, even, a good Star Wars movie. I'd rank them: ESB, ANH=TFA, ROTJ. Prequel trash need not apply.

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I felt that the movie was a little TOO copy and paste for it's own good. However, it was basically what the franchise needed after those shitty fucking prequels. At first, I was confused when I heard that Abrams wasn't going to direct the other two movies in this trilogy, but it honestly makes perfect sense now. His job was to re-establish the franchise, hit all the notes and get people excited about it again. He succeeded. I'm pretty excited with the possibilities of the new characters and hopefully new storylines going forward.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 18, 2015, 12:23:06 PM
And I love how

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Rey wrecked Kylo's shit. Hardcore. I also liked how her fighting style was just clumsy lunges. Nice that she didn't really know what she was doing but managed to hold her own.

I knew Han was gonna die, but damn. That still sucked. :-(
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I was talking about this with my gf afterwards. Both thought it didn't seem quite realistic. Best explanation we could come up with:
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Kylo had been shot in the leg like 5 minutes prior. Otherwise, it was a complete shit showing for him. Barely beat a guy who was a stormtrooper two days ago and straight lose to a girl who didn't know she had the Force until yesterday. Had to be the leg.
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I could nitpick this movie to death, but I don't want to, because I spite of all the things I wish had been done a little better I still loved the hell out of it.

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He's also got some serious anger/personality issues and isn't always acting rationally. And I think Rey knows how to use a lightsaber but just doesn't remember. Kinda like how she started using the force earlier on with the Stormtrooper.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Boogie on December 18, 2015, 12:45:43 PM
After seeing it, damn glad I caught it opening night.  I can't imagine trying to live on the Internet and waiting to see it second weekend or something without getting spoiled.  That shit is going to be EVERYEHERE soon.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 18, 2015, 12:47:39 PM
Empire > TFA/ANH > Jedi
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Boogie on December 18, 2015, 01:16:47 PM
I can't put TFA above any of the OT.  It's great, but it's still behind them.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 18, 2015, 01:18:54 PM
Okay but when was the last time you saw ROTJ? That movie is kinda shit bro
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 18, 2015, 01:20:50 PM
It's better than Jedi. I feel like I can say that with 100% assurance.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 18, 2015, 01:33:10 PM
God I'm still giddy.  I had a smile on my face the entire time.  Love All the new characters.

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my guess is that the driving force of the series will be Rey's struggles with the dark side.  You can already see her struggle with it.  It's gonna end up coming down to Luke and Finn saving her I think
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 18, 2015, 01:40:32 PM
SPECULATION
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Rey is Luke's daughter. I'm pretty confident about that. She mentions something about an island from before she came to Jakku, seems like she was on that world with papa Skywalker as an infant. Also ties into the whole family theme that runs through all the movies.

I think that Luke will pull an Obi-Wan and die in episode VIII and then be a Force ghost in episode IX. Kylo/Ben or Severus Snoke will kill him, then episode IX will be about Rey trying to redeem Kylo/Ben.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Sman on December 18, 2015, 02:00:54 PM
Yep. Ewoks and Jabba drags RotJ down, but the battle of Endor and all the emperor scenes make up for it later.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 18, 2015, 03:36:52 PM
It was fine.

I wasn't jizzing my pants or nothing, but I think it was good enough to knock some of the stink off the franchise and laid a solid foundation for the sequels.

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I was a little LOL @ how much of a Star Wars-ass Star Wars movie they made this. JJ Abrams be like, you guys liked the Battle of Endor? We got it. Death Star trench run? We got it. Saving the Princess from the Death Star? We got it. Han Solo? We got him. Darth Vader? We got him, and he's Han Solo's son too. The Emperor? We got him 20 feet tall! Mos Eisley Cantina and Jabba's Palace? We got this place that's like both of them smushed together. We got the droids you're looking, baby.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 18, 2015, 03:52:39 PM
After the soulless prequels I was totally fine with a Star Wars-ass Star Wars movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 18, 2015, 04:14:09 PM
Dat epic Armond White troll review

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/428730/star-wars-demystified

:lawd
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 18, 2015, 04:18:56 PM
After the soulless prequels I was totally fine with a Star Wars-ass Star Wars movie.

Totally, I'm not complaining.  :)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 18, 2015, 04:20:22 PM
Dat epic Armond White troll review

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/428730/star-wars-demystified

:lawd

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Rey “leans in” when she grips the Skywalker light saber, so that feminists can rejoice at the Disney Corporation’s calculated political correctness (although Rey’s competence with weaponry contradicts liberals’ convenient attitudes toward gun control.)
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:dead
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 18, 2015, 07:22:16 PM
Best Star Wars movie since Empire. Second best Star Wars movie period. Better than Jedi and New Hope. Hollllly fuck.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 18, 2015, 07:43:28 PM
(Apparent) spoilers if you're like me and don't give a shit:
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Seriously, spoilers. 
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-There's another deathstar.  It's all new.  Except it still has a weak point. :lol ::)
-Kylo Ren is Darth Vader's grandson.  He serves an evil master and holy shit we've seen all this before.
-Luke is in the film for like a minute.
-Han Solo dies.
-This movie is a total Star Wars rehash. 
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just now reading this.

It's pretty obvious the film is a reset.  Reset in the sense that it's reestablishing what makes Star Wars Star Wars. Technically, the original is pretty unoriginal. It's the sequels that padded it and gave the universe texture. The original is a rehash of Hidden Fortress. Almost to the point where Kurosawa could sue if he wanted to. So the next step, after the shit prequels, is obviously to remake the original film but within a new context to re-establish the stakes, pay tribute to the series, and pave the way for the future.

Since we all know that it's the sequels in Star Wars trilogies where the real meat is, VII is a great way to build the trilogy up for more capable storytellers than JJ. The masterful set up for VIII is extraordinary and that film is going to be incredible.

The great thing about the "rehash" is how it subverts your expectations. Anyone with sense would realize Han stands as this movies Obi Wan. Anyone following knows he was going to die, alone, as everyone else watches. Just like Obi Wan. What's important is the reveal that he's his grandson.

Another part that's fun is during the duel in the snow and the planet starts to crumble and you think our heroine is going to fall and have her hand cut off Luke style. Instead, she turns the force around force fucks Ren.

So yeah. VII is a "rehash". And there's actually nothing wrong with that within the context of this film or this franchise. It's a tribute to a series whose fans haven't had anything awesome on the big screen and milk after milk after milk for nearly thirty years, twenty if you're like me and started with the Special Editions. If anyone needed a tribute film it's fucking Star Wars. Thank fuck Star Wars is back. Now we gotta fix Star Trek and :rejoice niccas
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 18, 2015, 07:44:54 PM
Can't wait for the butthurt Mra's and racists to come out of the wood work. This films greatest blessing :rejoice
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 18, 2015, 07:59:37 PM
And I love how

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Rey wrecked Kylo's shit. Hardcore. I also liked how her fighting style was just clumsy lunges. Nice that she didn't really know what she was doing but managed to hold her own.

I knew Han was gonna die, but damn. That still sucked. :-(
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I was talking about this with my gf afterwards. Both thought it didn't seem quite realistic. Best explanation we could come up with:
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Kylo had been shot in the leg like 5 minutes prior. Otherwise, it was a complete shit showing for him. Barely beat a guy who was a stormtrooper two days ago and straight lose to a girl who didn't know she had the Force until yesterday. Had to be the leg.
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I could nitpick this movie to death, but I don't want to, because I spite of all the things I wish had been done a little better I still loved the hell out of it.

Here's the thing.

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people want Ren to be that guy. But at least in this film, HE ISN'T THAT GUY. The film builds him up as a badass but ultimately, he's a scared child. The entire point I felt was that they try to build up this guy as the stuff of legends, an equal to Vader. But he's not. Which is the entire point of his character, even as far as the fight goes. Whether or not he grows and becomes a monster in VIII? Who knows? Maybe we even have a new Sithlord as the main villain? I'm not so sure why everyone is so willing to make Ren equal to Vader. He isn't. There isn't going to be one. Let it go.

There's also an interesting parralel in Ren chasing Vader's legacy and the film being a tribute to A New Hope,  and in some ways attempting to do that very thing. :obama The Force Awakens is a movie about legacies. Han and his grandson. The legacy of Luke and Anankin's lightsaber. Ren's obsession with replicating Vader's legacy. The Death Star. Some legacies perish and are doomed to fail. Others are worth pursuing.

The more I think about this film the more I like it. :bow

If you wanna bitch about a character, Phasma seems more apt than Ren honestly.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 18, 2015, 08:12:09 PM
Snorenado and Gundam liking it means I'll see it earlier than expected. I assumed both might dislike it due to the nostalgia attempts/JJ Abrams being a boob/etc. But most people I know are saying it's good and while it does pay homage to Star Wars in very Abrams ways, it's not over the top.

I'll probably go next week.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 18, 2015, 08:23:19 PM
Oh, the film is a total nostalgia fest and anyone who says otherwise is an idiot. But being a nostalgia fest doesn't make it a bad movie. On the contrary, I think it adds a dimension to the film that most nostalgia addled revivals lack. I could be alone in that.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 18, 2015, 09:12:13 PM
https://newrepublic.com/minutes/126180/ken-burnss-star-wars-empire-apologia
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on December 18, 2015, 10:29:40 PM
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star wars by committee. JJ is a company man who knows his business, and in this case it was making a disney star wars branded moneyspinner. enjoyable enough, but completely lacking in the organic mythology of the originals. it all feels small and a bit cheap. that's before dissecting the contrived plot and duff notes. 6.5/10
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Snake on December 19, 2015, 03:47:17 AM
I enjoyed the Star War.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 19, 2015, 06:37:53 AM
Someone spoiled SW in the Neogaf thread

Really hope Demi comes through with IP and mail address
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 19, 2015, 08:40:35 AM
The morning after and I'm thinking about its place in the series and I think it's probably either on par with Jedi or slightly below it. What brings it down is the editing in the second half, but JJ has said there's 10-20 minutes of unused footage. If the Blu Ray version is an extended cut and fills it in more, it could be better as good or better. Another thing that puts Jedi ahead of it is the fight in the chamber. It's my favorite scene in Star Wars trilogy, and while I feel the The Force Awakens almost gets to the emotional level and visuals of that fight, it's not there yet.

But I definitely think it's better than A New Hope, which I rewatched last night after Force Awakens.

So right now I'm thinking ESB > ROTJ > TFA >>> ANH

Also, again, interesting. Parallels!

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Darth Vader chooses the light rather than kill his son; Kyler Ren chooses the dark side over his father. Things are going to go much, much worse for him now.
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The biggest issue in this film is the misuse of Lupita. Her character sucked. You don't make Lupita CG.
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Post by: Mods Help on December 19, 2015, 10:00:35 AM
Great acting, great chemistry between the various actors.  Clever dialogue for the most part.

Great special effects, they did emphasize the practical effects.  The two major cg characters were not particularly impressive.

If there was new John Williams music here, I don't recall it.  Was hoping for something new and exciting but the score felt very retread.

The trouble I have is that the story and plot was arguably the dumbest in the series to date and all the fan service in the world can't cover up that much dumb. 

Very little world galaxy building to explain how the hell the galaxy got this way... This movie apes ANH so very hard, at least it could have done was to cut or reduce a lengthy action scene or two and have someone offer some basic exposition.  Instead we just get contrivance after contrivance to keep action scenes going.  ANH had strong pacing and great action but the plot was very well designed and every element logically fit and flowed together. 

It can't be the equal of a movie it's an echo of, so it's sub ANH.  Even with all the dumb plot choices - and they are doozies - I guess it's ROTJ / ROTS level, in kind of an inverse way, switching out wooden acting with good acting but jettisoning entirely anything original or creative (or even competent) in terms of plot / writing (other than amusing banter, I mean).

I think all the exposition you're craving was already in the crawl:

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Luke Skywalker has vanished.
In his absence, the sinister
FIRST ORDER has risen
from the ashes of the Empire
and will not rest until Skywalker, the last Jedi,
has been destroyed.

With the support of the REPUBLIC,
General Leia Organa leads a brave RESISTANCE.
She is desperate to find her
brother Luke and gain his
help in restoring peace and
justice to the galaxy.

Leia has sent her most daring
pilot on a secret mission
to Jakku, where an old ally
has discovered a clue to
Luke’s whereabouts . . . .
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What more world building do you want?

Also, I thought that the film does a fantastic job with mysteries:

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Mysteries: Where's Luke? Who's Kylo Ren? Who are Rey's parents? WHERE'S LUKE?
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There's a lot of questions that invade the film and wrap it nicely. In fact, it handles this in almost the exact same way as ANH: throwing out hints, some side trails for you to wander into to think is true but it really isn't (like Luke's dad being dead;etc). ANH is mostly full of action with very, very little actual galaxy exposition compared to Empire or Jedi. I highly suggest you watch the original again. It's not the exposition masterpiece you think it is and is almost as mysterious than TFA.

I also said this with Wrath privately, but I truly think a lot of people are trying to FIND negatives by bringing up the callbacks. It's like they're TRYING to not like it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Boogie on December 19, 2015, 11:08:08 AM


If there was new John Williams music here, I don't recall it.  Was hoping for something new and exciting but the score felt very retread.


Agreed on the score.   Disappointed.

Each of the shitty prequels nonetheless got some pretty kickass themes to call their own.

Here, well, I really liked Rey's theme, but don't think it comes close to anything like the standout themes from the previous movies.
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Post by: Mods Help on December 19, 2015, 11:19:18 AM
The score is pretty weak. But it has good points too.
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Post by: Mods Help on December 19, 2015, 11:24:38 AM


If there was new John Williams music here, I don't recall it.  Was hoping for something new and exciting but the score felt very retread.


Agreed on the score.   Disappointed.

Each of the shitty prequels nonetheless got some pretty kickass themes to call their own.

Here, well, I really liked Rey's theme, but don't think it comes close to anything like the standout themes from the previous movies.

Honestly, I'm going to have to re-listen to it to figure out what Rey's unique theme even is. 

Maybe it's just a more subtle score and it'll grow on me.  I dunno.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvcsJT9iNVQ

I think it's one of the best theme's in the movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 19, 2015, 11:39:13 AM
Because the rebels won in the original trilogy. In the new one, the sith aren't a full on empire. it said remnants of the empire in the screen crawl. Essentially, there's a resistance because there's a mini empire forming. It's a resistance to stopping them from growing further. Essentially, the first order don't have the reach or might of the old empire, so they fear the republic. At least, that's how I read it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 19, 2015, 11:50:45 AM
I think (and yes, it wasn't explained well, and yes, I have similar complaints to JD re: the plot of this movie) that the Republic is the official government, but due to cobbling together a working alliance they're weak and ineffectual so the Resistance are sort of like the unofficial cleaners who can come in and get shit done while Senators bicker or something.

My bigger complaint is that basically 3 out of 4 of the SW movies (we shall not count the prequels) have had basically the same OMG THE EMPIRE/FIRST ORDER HAS A GIANT BASE THAT CAN BLOW UP PLANETS plot. I also don't think it's a coincidence that the movie that DOESN'T have that as a plot is pretty universally regarded as the best of the lot.

I also kind of felt that the movie relied on a frenetic pace of the heroes just reacting to bad situations and moving from one action sequence to the next for the first half, which resulted in a lot of cool action sequences and "hell yeah!" moments, but not a lot of character development.

At the end of the day, though, I really liked TFA, but probably more accurate to say I think it's a better "Star Wars Experience" than it is a movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 19, 2015, 11:58:47 AM
I felt there was a lot of character development. I mean, between Finn, Rey, Han, hell...even BB, I'm not sure how there's not much character development. From my ANH watch last night, I observed that only really Luke, Vader, Leia, Han, and Obi Wan have noticeable character development. So, the main characters.

I see a lot of people complaining about the "coincidences" in the movie but fail to ignore the fact that in ANH, the droids just happen to land on the same planet as Obi Wan, they just happen to both be captured by Jawa's, and both just happen to taken in by Luke, to which Luke just happens upon Obi Wan, and the crew just happen upon the Death Star. There's a lot of coincidences in ANH. It ties a lot into THe Hidden Fortress which has similar coincidences.

I do find the use of the Death Star overkill.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 19, 2015, 12:02:17 PM
I honestly don't think the storytelling is as bad as you say it is.
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Post by: ToxicAdam on December 19, 2015, 12:15:19 PM
Star Wars is inspired by serials like Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon. It was good guy, bad guy, damsel in distress, saving the world/universe with the back drop of cool tech.  It wasn't a hard sci-fi, deep-think wank.

The series (for some) has become a victim of ESB, where they now expect it to reach this other level for which it was never intended.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 19, 2015, 12:26:56 PM
I think a lot of people have over estimations on what this series is about and I'm not exactly sure why, but ESB is a pretty good scapegoat, Toxic.

but that's kind of like being the least creepy Etrian Odyssey fan.

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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 19, 2015, 12:42:06 PM
Yes I did'nt quite understand the Republic and the First Order, especially since the First Order is going around killing billions of people and it's not the Republic that responds(which seemingly has a huge fleet), but rather the Resistance who are rebels to what? Why is there a military force against a government that is attacking the official Body of Government, but not the sole dominator like in ANH. Also what does the First Order do? Are they just a military force?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 19, 2015, 12:50:01 PM
The First Order are essentially what the Rebels were in ANH: a mobilized force of men and women with (comparatively) small numbers. Don't be swooned by their Death Star and think they have nearly the same amount of reach or influence as the old Empire. I don't see how this is so confusing.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 19, 2015, 12:56:54 PM
The rebels were a very small operation, having to move from a single base to a single base.

The New Order is able to build a gigantic super weapon, conduct brutal military operations at a whim, and have spies everywhere.

I don't know if they are just like the Rebels.

Unlike the Rebels, they don't seem like they are all scrapping together to survive.

They also have an actual presence. Several times in the movie people were willing to sell out to them. Plenty of people did'nt want anything to do with the Rebels in New Hope.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 19, 2015, 01:18:04 PM
Rey's theme sounds like something I've heard in Beauty and the Beast and Harry Potter.  Still love it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 19, 2015, 01:20:33 PM
You forget that the Rebels had a lot of spies on their own, including many in the senate to the point where the emperor had to dissolve it because it was a serious security threat that leaked Empire secrets, such as the Death Star weak point.

The New Order built a super weapon, but they're the bad guys. Bad guys always manage to make super weapons even if they're weak. They conduct brutal military operations because they're arrogant and cocky.

I guess comparing the First Order to the Rebels in ANH was a bad comparison, but they're definitely not as strong as the Empire - which is the conclusion many have made. I also don't think too much of people willing to spy for them either, given the locations where we saw people spying for them were scummy dens and bars and marketplaces, which is exactly the type of location which would house people willing to sell out the Republic.

Maybe the movie could extrapolate a little bit more, but again, the screen crawl hints at a lot. This is a war but it's not exactly as lop-sided a war as the previous Rebel-Empire War:

Luke Skywalker has vanished.
In his absence, the sinister
FIRST ORDER has risen
from the ashes of the Empire
and will not rest until Skywalker, the last Jedi,
has been destroyed.


With the support of the REPUBLIC,
General Leia Organa leads a brave RESISTANCE.
She is desperate to find her
brother Luke and gain his
help in restoring peace and
justice to the galaxy.

Leia has sent her most daring
pilot on a secret mission
to Jakku, where an old ally
has discovered a clue to
Luke’s whereabouts . . . .
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 19, 2015, 02:46:47 PM
Watched Empire and yup. ANH is extremely barebones compared to the galaxy building of Empire. I have hope that the next film will go further into galaxy building. In fact, I quite know it will as a necessity due to Rey and Ren's character arcs and the training they'll be under going.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 19, 2015, 04:11:30 PM
Because the rebels won in the original trilogy. In the new one, the sith aren't a full on empire. it said remnants of the empire in the screen crawl. Essentially, there's a resistance because there's a mini empire forming. It's a resistance to stopping them from growing further. Essentially, the first order don't have the reach or might of the old empire, so they fear the republic. At least, that's how I read it.

This sounds dumb as fuck tbh
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 19, 2015, 04:24:26 PM
I mean the thing is, why is there a separate Resistance? Why is'nt the Republic just fighting the Empire Remnants/First order/whatever. It would be a lot less dumb if it was just the Galactic Republic. Separating them from the the Galactic Republic just so you can use a word that sounds like Rebels is really dumb. I mean you really don't call a group a Resistance or Rebels against a group that isn't actually a dominating power.

Still a fun movie though.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 19, 2015, 04:41:41 PM
From reddit, from someone who could explain it better than me:

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Some fans have complained that if there was a government of the "New Republic" then why was there a "Resistance"; wouldn't it just be the military of that New Republic?

After ROTJ, the remnants of the Empire fell back to territories outside of Alliance control. Presumably, some form of truce was made between the new First Order and the New Republic.

However, the First Order started building a much larger military force in the years leading up to TFA, including rumors of a new super weapon. This prompted the New Republic to arm and fund Resistance rebels living under First Order control in order to gain a foothold for the coming conflict and potentially destabilize the First Order while not declaring outright war.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bork on December 19, 2015, 06:18:43 PM
Saw the movie this morning.  Brief musings:

-I liked this movie.  I'm not much of a Star Wars fan, but I enjoyed watching this.  It didn't feel like the Lucas movies in a lot of ways -particularly the dialogue- and that's a good thing.
-At the same time, this really was "A New Hope 2.0."  A lot of similarities there. 
-When Han Solo appeared, he just took over the screen.  Everybody else took a back seat to him.
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-Don't like the way he went out.  Should have died doing something more fitting of his character.
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-The actor who played Kylo Ren is not exactly the most attractive fellow out there and looked flat-out goofy with that hairstyle.  When he took off the helmet, I was like "No, NO!!  PUT IT BACK ON!!"  :lol
-Some of the fan servicey stuff was a little too much. 
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Did we really need the Millennium Falcon again? Just having it appear and Rey saying it was junk and not to bother would have been a perfect little easter egg joke.
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-They did a good job of establishing the characters' personalities and back stories very quickly, without needing to go into too much.  I like that the Force stuff was back to being something magical/mystical again.
-That new 'ace pilot' character didn't get enough screen time.  I thought he was basically going to be the new Han.  Maybe in the sequel.
-BB-8 is a much more likable droid character than C-3PO and R2D2.
-It felt weird knowing that Mark Hamill was back and yet
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his role in the movie was essentially like a cameo appearance at the end.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2015, 08:53:15 PM
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Some fans have complained that if there was a government of the "New Republic" then why was there a "Resistance"; wouldn't it just be the military of that New Republic?

After ROTJ, the remnants of the Empire fell back to territories outside of Alliance control. Presumably, some form of truce was made between the new First Order and the New Republic.

However, the First Order started building a much larger military force in the years leading up to TFA, including rumors of a new super weapon. This prompted the New Republic to arm and fund Resistance rebels living under First Order control in order to gain a foothold for the coming conflict and potentially destabilize the First Order while not declaring outright war.
The problem is that the film doesn't even begin to discuss this. Taking just the film we have the Empire which has re-branded itself but is otherwise exactly the same (except more powerful) using all the same soldiers outfits and fighters and resources and so on, a new bunch of rebels who are now resistance, and somebody said there was a Republic but all their top people (Leia, Ackbar) are hanging out with the resistance surviving on minimal resources (that they'll arguably have even less of after this film) that all happen to be the things the rebels used rather than seemingly appropriating any of the now abandoned Empire reserves.

The Starkiller weapon seems to be a bit more of a big deal than "oh yeah, let's give a few extra X-Wings to the resistance" considering the First Order could have spent the entire timeline of this movie firing it at every system within range and seems like something you would want to nip in the bud early on. But never the less, the Republic still allowed them to blow up their home system and entire fleet with it rather than "risk" war.

The film essentially clears the board of what was "supposed to have happened" (even according to this reboot) in the prior three decades to reestablish the state of things pre-ESB.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2015, 09:12:45 PM
I think one of the best parts about Thrawn was that the galaxy was now "up for grabs" both diplomatically and militarily, the New Republic was trying to hold together without a common foe and fear that it would fail like the Old one (which was also seen as oppressive/distrustful before it became an Empire in the old EU and in Lucas' brilliant Kubrickian prequel trilogy), the remnants of the Empire were trying to find what they could to stop themselves being rolled back farther and the encroaching of what they viewed as galactic anarchy and chaos. Heavily outdated technology was being fought over to either gain or deny it to the other side simply because so much was in flux and a few slight advantages here and there could be big ones in the moment. Same with making treaties with otherwise non-important races and then the story showed how they could become important simply due to outside events.

I think Lucas ran into that challenge when making us uncomfortable as humans and challenging our racist preconceptions in the prequel trilogy in that if the "good" guys (aka human-supremacists) aren't weaker the "bad" guys don't feel like a threat (Trade Federation, the openly fake Separatists) and if you're rehashing the original trilogy it's the same ol' the weaker good guys will triumph over the powerful bad guys which the original Star War probably would not have easily as gotten away with doing two more times over had it not gone batshit crazy in expanding the mythology in Empire and Jedi. (Lucas' admits until he figured out the Vader/Luke twist and the backwards ramifications from it, Empire's script was garbage and he didn't necessarily want to continue. As TA noted, the original was Flash Gordon inspired.)

VIII, IX and all the rest can still be great as VII is ultimately irrelevant, but J.J. just J.J.'d us. Again.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: eleuin on December 19, 2015, 09:29:54 PM
I liked it, got spoiled the big moment but it was still solid and the second best in the series

The new characters are awesome, they did a great job establishing their personalities
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 19, 2015, 10:25:16 PM
I think Lucas ran into that challenge when making us uncomfortable as humans and challenging our racist preconceptions in the prequel trilogy in that if the "good" guys (aka human-supremacists) aren't weaker the "bad" guys don't feel like a threat (Trade Federation, the openly fake Separatists) and if you're rehashing the original trilogy it's the same ol' the weaker good guys will triumph over the powerful bad guys which the original Star War probably would not have easily as gotten away with doing two more times over had it not gone batshit crazy in expanding the mythology in Empire and Jedi. (Lucas' admits until he figured out the Vader/Luke twist and the backwards ramifications from it, Empire's script was garbage and he didn't necessarily want to continue. As TA noted, the original was Flash Gordon inspired.)

VIII, IX and all the rest can still be great as VII is ultimately irrelevant, but J.J. just J.J.'d us. Again.

Huh? I don't think the movie works in that way at all. If anything, if gives a lot of pathos towards the villains even, namely Ren. In the old trilogy, besides ESB, the heroes are never really weak. They sneak into the Death Star and for the most part it ain't no thang. Luke uses the force to blow up the Death Star and star haven't a duel. The bad guys are laughably out matched in that movie despite the amount of times they hammer down that the good guys are outmatched. ESB is a lot more balanced. But that isn't necessarily true in ROTJ, what with Ewoks and all that other mess. The good guys in Star Wars - weak? Aside from ESB, since when?

TFA shows the good guys in a far more weak position. Contrast with Luke in ESB and they have absolutely no idea what they're doing and that was a half cocked, inexperienced Luke. Even Kylo Ren has no idea what he's doing. TFA shown Star Wars heroes at their most vulnerable besides ESB and I'm not exactly sure it's a bad thing.

Combined with the conflict that will emerge in Rey in future movies and things get even more interesting.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2015, 10:39:03 PM
Cutting out the first part of that post has removed one half of the comparison.

In Star War, the rebellion is fighting a massive galactic empire with a superweapon that obliterates much of its leadership, and relies heavily on an orphaned kid from a desert planet and a hastily enlisted smuggler. In Empire, the rebellion is on the run from being defeated constantly. They aren't ever presented as an equal force to the Empire but you always know they will triumph. That's the same as in TFA and the status quo it leaves.

Thrawn and the dynamical, not mechanical Prequel Trilogy by comparison don't place the characters in a falsely weak position.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2015, 10:56:31 PM
This is essentially somewhat the same argument I have had with people over J.J.'s Star Trek. He goes out of his way to wipe the slate clean, while maintaining it hasn't been.

He did it with Trek by involving all the time travel bullshit and bringing Old Spock into a separate timeline then fast-forwarding through the "new timeline" so he can get the TOS Enterprise crew to status quo. And he did it in TFA by fast-forwarding through anything referencing the prior three decades so he can eliminate the New Republic and we can get back to the plucky rebels resistance against the powerful Empire First Order.

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I imagine this is why Luke isn't in the film. His importance prior to self-exile would have to be explained.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on December 19, 2015, 11:01:42 PM
Much better then I'd thought it would be, nice to be pleasantly surprised, despite some occasional touches of lameness (space Nazis, really?).

Favorite part? Well, I liked Ridley, Boyega, and Issac quite a bit in their roles (also, the pain meds for Ford musta been mixed with caffeine pills, nice to see him shivagit again). I also very much liked how the character development was really done in part with the action, that whole show don't tell thing that most films don't do enough of. But yeah, its pretty solid, if not quite spectacular.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 19, 2015, 11:11:17 PM
That's the thing though. I'm not sure why you go into this expecting the table hasn't been reset given the prequels. I also don't get how you would expect a ROTJ sequel and it not take place a few decades after the original. Most people wanna get to where the meat of the action is. We already saw how building up a powerful force through politics works in Star Wars works with the prequels, and I don't think it's constructive towards the SW formula.

Do you have any other better ideas?

Like I said above, sounds like trying to find a fault with the movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2015, 11:19:57 PM
Just want to note I don't dislike the film as much as it may sound or as much as J.J.'s Treks. It didn't have any of the glaring plotholes of those, the new characters/actors are pretty much all great and there's a good distribution of their time. Outside of those types of things I generally prefer to critique franchise films on their continuity/universe/etc. And that's the problem I have here, it's J.J. being J.J. again. I forgive contrivances to put characters conveniently together if they're seemingly in-world unintentional. (Which is why TDK and TDKR don't escape me critiquing this.)

Rey is better than Finn. Don't listen to the lies.

Wait, I remember another flaw. Way too little Captain Phasma. It's like she had something else to do and disappeared for the most part.

That's the thing though. I'm not sure why you go into this expecting the table hasn't been reset given the prequels.
Because it's supposed to take place 30 years after Jedi AND establishes that certain events happened in between that it completely discards and/or eliminates so as to return the franchise to a pre-ESB galactic state?

I also don't get how you would expect a ROTJ sequel and it not take place a few decades after the original.
I expect things to have happened in those inbetween decades and the film to have explored them more than showing a bunch of recognizable props buried in the sand.

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Like I said above, sounds like trying to find a fault with the movie.
Could be that I consider it a fault with the movie.

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Do you have any other better ideas?
Of course I'm going to think I have better ideas than to rehash Star War and bring back the original arc.

The important thing is that Rian Johnson can figure out how to dig himself out of the galactic mess J.J. handed him for VIII and IX.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 19, 2015, 11:20:24 PM
despite some occasional touches of lameness (space Nazis, really?).


:wag


(http://i.imgur.com/wtUVxda.jpg)

:bow

Was the closest thing to seeing live action Zeon.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 19, 2015, 11:24:58 PM
Just want to note I don't dislike the film as much as it may sound or as much as J.J.'s Treks. It didn't have any of the glaring plotholes of those, the new characters/actors are pretty much all great and there's a good distribution of their time. Outside of those types of things I generally prefer to critique franchise films on their continuity/universe/etc. And that's the problem I have here, it's J.J. being J.J. again. I forgive contrivances to put characters conveniently together if they're seemingly in-world unintentional. (Which is why TDK and TDKR don't escape me critiquing this.)

Rey is better than Finn. Don't listen to the lies.

Wait, I remember another flaw. Way too little Captain Phasma. It's like she had something else to do and disappeared for the most part.

That's the thing though. I'm not sure why you go into this expecting the table hasn't been reset given the prequels.
Because it's supposed to take place 30 years after Jedi AND establishes that certain events happened in between that it completely discards and/or eliminates so as to return the franchise to a pre-ESB galactic state?

Is it really a galactic empire or are you assuming?

I'm expecting Phasma to join the Resistance. She betrayed the order way too fast. I think she may be like Finn or may take influence from him.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2015, 11:30:22 PM
Building a weapon the level that it did, with the shown manpower and fleets, and being enough of a threat the now destroyed New Republic didn't want to go to war with them, I'm going to assume The First Order is fairly powerful on a galactic stage. It also seems to be headed by a type of large Emperor figure.

Of course, if J.J. had bothered to discuss anything that had happened in the 30 years prior we might know something about The First Order other than that they were ctrl+r'd over "New Empire" or something.

Wookiepedia's entire non-TFA-plot info:
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In the years that followed, the First Order emerged, inspired by the principles of the fallen government and led by former officers of the Empire. The First Order was active approximately thirty years after the Battle of Endor, and fought against the Resistance.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2015, 11:37:48 PM
I mean if a new Star War* movie opens with Luke and Han leading a force of Jedi and Stormtroopers into battle on a frozen desert Endor against the Ewoks who can fire laser beams out of their eyes and fly led by C3PO, you probably would want some explanation of how things got to this state.

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Or not because it would be too fucking awesome.
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*And only a Star War movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Beezy on December 19, 2015, 11:53:30 PM
Never been a huge Star Wars fan, but this was a really fun movie. Overhyped to shit by the innanets, but still a good movie.

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Mad Max is easily the better reboot/sequel though. :P
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 20, 2015, 12:11:54 AM
Building a weapon the level that it did, with the shown manpower and fleets, and being enough of a threat the now destroyed New Republic didn't want to go to war with them, I'm going to assume The First Order is fairly powerful on a galactic stage. It also seems to be headed by a type of large Emperor figure.

Of course, if J.J. had bothered to discuss anything that had happened in the 30 years prior we might know something about The First Order other than that they were ctrl+r'd over "New Empire" or something.

Wookiepedia's entire non-TFA-plot info:
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In the years that followed, the First Order emerged, inspired by the principles of the fallen government and led by former officers of the Empire. The First Order was active approximately thirty years after the Battle of Endor, and fought against the Resistance.

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=189949088

Also remember there's 20 minutes of footage on the cutting floor. I'm expecting an extended blu Rey cut.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 20, 2015, 12:13:02 AM
I liked The Force Awakens more than Mad Max Fury Road and I like Fury Road A LOT.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2015, 12:20:23 AM
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=189949088
This kind of thing is why they said they wanted to wipe out the entire EU. (And also Trek's canon...)

 :snoop

That information does help, but J.J. did still wipe out the New Republic before we ever got a chance to know about it...

All that said, VIII and IX still have a much better chance of universe/continuity saving/building than Beyond does.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2015, 12:22:40 AM
Mad Max Fury Road is the best movie of the year for me.
But is it really a movie? It's kinda like saying Taco Bell is the best restaurant of the year. True, it's a restaurant, but it's also so much more.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 20, 2015, 12:43:13 AM
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=189949088
This kind of thing is why they said they wanted to wipe out the entire EU. (And also Trek's canon...)

 :snoop

That information does help, but J.J. did still wipe out the New Republic before we ever got a chance to know about it...

All that said, VIII and IX still have a much better chance of universe/continuity saving/building than Beyond does.

Also, consider that the movie lacks the exposition you crave...likely because of the prequels.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2015, 12:49:04 AM
I'm going to just assume it has more to do with J.J. (And that things are going to improve leaps and bounds with Rian Johnson writing both VIII and IX.)

Especially considering that part about Han's never opened cargo container (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpjVgF5JDq8). :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 20, 2015, 12:52:29 AM
For all of this talk of JJ, you should be more worried about IX's director the most.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 20, 2015, 12:58:40 AM
Is it too late to replace him?

JJ did his job: get people excited about Star Wars again. It's up to Rian to make the trilogy into a classic. That other guy tho...I would have liked Duncan Jones instead.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2015, 01:15:48 AM
My complaint about J.J. is his writing (and who he picks to partner with 90% of the time), not his directing. The Star Trek films showed he's a perfect Star Wars director.

The key for me with my Rian comments is that he's writing both, not just VIII. Even if they somehow convinced J.J. to write all three, it'd likely be better than three separate writers, for example.

The directing doesn't bother me as much because there's a formula that I imagine 500 suits at Disney will not allow you to touch.
 
I think when you're starting (or effectively so) a single universe it helps to minimize the number of replaced writers or directors. Even when the writers are bad, they keep a consistency that helps build the universe/characters better than if you ping around to five separate decent writers.

First two Iron Mans had Jon Favreau directing (and RDJ "writing" all his scenes), first two Avengers had Joss Whedon writing and directing, James Gunn writes and directs the Guardians films. Markus and McFeely have written/are writing Captain America 1, Thor The Dark World, The Winter Soldier, Civil War, Infinity War. Russo Bros will direct Winter Soldier, Civil War and Infinity War.

Over in the DCFU Snyder, Goyer and Terrio are the ones who are doing/will have done Man of Steel, BvS, Justice League 1 and 2.

These will all connect thematically, even if like Ultron individual parts aren't as great it maintained the characters and everything "arc" wise from the first.

This was something that concerned me when they split the films up not just among directors but originally writers (IIRC, Rian was supposed to do a side-story not write both VIII and IX) especially letting J.J. go first and bail out completely. (I had always assumed he'd at least direct the trilogy to be honest.)

I'm pretty sure Colin Trevorrow got it because of Jurassic World's big dollahs, which he's writing the sequel (2018) of too which is why he won't write IX apparently. (Thankfully?)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2015, 01:21:54 AM
That other guy tho...I would have liked Duncan Jones instead.
Duncan Jones is vastly overrated if we're being honest. He made one good movie(Moon) and it wasn't that good. He had potential but I feel like it was wasted somehow along the way.
He's doing WARCRAFT, he won't have time for a piddly little niche franchise like Star Wars.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 20, 2015, 01:22:47 AM
They should get Josh Trank back for IX  :heyman
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2015, 01:25:24 AM
I'd hand him the entire next trilogy. But we need a five year or more break to buy enough tents.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 20, 2015, 01:29:14 AM
Is it too late to replace him?

JJ did his job: get people excited about Star Wars again. It's up to Rian to make the trilogy into a classic. That other guy tho...I would have liked Duncan Jones instead.

Duncan Jones is vastly overrated if we're being honest. He made one good movie(Moon) and it wasn't that good. He had potential but I feel like it was wasted somehow along the way.

Hmmm. :brazilcry
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: eleuin on December 20, 2015, 01:42:25 AM
A question because I can't pay attention properly

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So ben changed his name to kylo ren after the ren knights, but who exactly are the knights? Just dark side baddies?
Those were them in the flashback when ben murked all the other jedi right
 
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 20, 2015, 01:42:58 AM
I'd hand him the entire next trilogy. But we need a five year or more break to buy enough tents.

Disney can afford the destruction fees for a couple apartments I'm sure :heyman
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2015, 01:49:52 AM
Part of me wishes Fox would pay Trank $1 to make his "masterpiece" edit of FF and then they put it out on torrents.

A question because I can't pay attention properly

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So ben changed his name to kylo ren after the ren knights, but who exactly are the knights? Just dark side baddies?
Those were them in the flashback when ben murked all the other jedi right
 
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ya basically, he's their leader now I think, I imagine there'll be more about them when there's more about him, they had to keep a lot of his backstory out of this one for plot purposes obviously

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Also, I imagine they'll tie much more into Luke's plot.
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EDIT: I also don't think they're part of The First Order at all really but more allies of opportunity.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 20, 2015, 02:09:55 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeoGAKXsMjE

apparently rey's theme is bastilla's theme?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 20, 2015, 02:21:06 AM
They should get Josh Trank back for IX  :heyman

He wasn't working on IX, he was doing some pin off. Either Rogue One or some other one.

I know, I meant "back in the Disney family." :heyman

I think Garreth Edwards (Godzilla dude) is doing the spinoff.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 20, 2015, 03:56:10 AM
You're gonna get Michael B Jordan as Young Lando in the Han Solo spinoff and like it, mister.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 20, 2015, 09:19:56 AM
When can we discuss spoiler type stuff?

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Not my nicca Han
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:stahp
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 20, 2015, 09:21:36 AM
We been discussing it the last page. Ain't no one got time for spoiler tags no more. If you are in this thread now and haven't seen the movie and care about spoilers you're a moron.


https://youtube.com/watch?v=AvsiJppCdmk
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 20, 2015, 09:23:00 AM
Okay than man the First Order is way to entrusting of their soldiers. These ain't clones bro.

Also Han and Leia's first meeting almost had me crying like a baby.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 20, 2015, 09:25:42 AM
Apparently according to the art book First Order has an entirely different culture than the Empire and value their troops as people and not mere pawns?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 20, 2015, 09:26:58 AM
Apparently according to the art book First Order has an entirely different culture than the Empire and value their troops as people and not mere pawns?

Fair enough but even the novelization states over and over again how their trust in their troops leaves them open to weakness. Even though they thought it was impossible...it happened.

How you gonna have a star weapon 50 times as large as the death star be so lightly guarded? I mean I get it super Han flew in at light speed but you'd have thought they learned a lesson from the past in terms of "one guy throwing switches defeats you" type shit.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 20, 2015, 09:38:39 AM
I need to read the novel. How is it?

Jeez, look at me considering reading a Star Wars novel. Haven't done that since I was 11. I forgot I was a huge Star Wars geek. The Phantom Menace came out two years later ripping my love apart. :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 20, 2015, 09:51:41 AM
It's not terrible. Explains some stuff the movie glosses over in a bit more detail.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 20, 2015, 10:18:55 AM
http://screenrant.com/star-wars-journey-force-awakens-guide/2/

TFA timeline guide that bridges 6 and 7.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 20, 2015, 10:23:10 AM
Saw it. I'll be seeing it again in 3D IMAX hopefully. It was really enjoyable. One downside is that there's so much fan-service in it that I was frequently pulled out of the moment just by analyzing why I was enjoying it. "Oh, this is like that other thing in ANH! And that's from ESB!"

I enjoyed everything that was new more than things which were rehash, but I appreciated the call-backs.

Unlike most people who have commented, I enjoyed Kylo Ren /more/ than I expected.
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He's young and unsure of himself, and convinced nothing he can do will ever be as good as his grandfather's accomplishments. They might as well have called him Darth JJ. I can't wait to see if these Disney movies manage to go ahead and make the same move: kill their predecessor to make themselves their own entity.
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Someone earlier mentioned that the First Order was lame for being "Nazis in space." Dude. Seriously, if you didn't recognize the source material in the original trilogy, you were not paying enough attention.

Domnhall Gleason as a competing Tarkin-like foil to rein-in Ren was just great. The competitiveness, the glittering cruelty and madness which comes with an irresponsible pursuit of power... Lovely.

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It partially had me wondering, as both Domnhall and Kylo Ren were so eagerly seeking Snokes' approval, would Ren have been able to stay the course with the Dark Side, had he not been basically goaded into pursuit?

As for the death of Han Solo, wow. Hard to believe they finally did it, but Harrison Ford was campaigning for this during RotJ, and it's no surprise that this would be a big stipulation in his contract. Dude never liked Solo, and was probably hard to convince to return. More importantly, I enjoyed the mythic resonance of Kylo killing his father, in an Arthur/Mordred manner; "Come, father. Let us embrace."   
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Finding myself crushing pretty hard on Rey -- pretty sure with my history, this means she'll turn out to be lesbian.

We been discussing it the last page. Ain't no one got time for spoiler tags no more. If you are in this thread now and haven't seen the movie and care about spoilers you're a moron.

I don't think that's entirely fair, but if we are going to roll that way, can Wrath or a Moderator please change the thread title to include "SPOILERS"
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 20, 2015, 10:34:58 AM
That's fair, but if I hadn't seen the movie and I care about spoilers, I wouldn't be clicking anything Star Wars related. But I guess some people would still be interested in impressions.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 20, 2015, 10:46:45 AM
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WTF moments:
  • Why have a desert planet with signature Moisture Farming Vaporators and that one standalone archway which looked straight out of Boonta Speedway -- but it's not Tatooine?
  • Who the hell was Max Von Sydow's nameless character?
  • What the hell did Solo and Fin do with Captain Phasma?
  • Was there some subtle CG used on Carrie Fisher's face during the shot showing her reaction to Han's death? Her nose suddenly became very tiny, and the lighting seemed off.
  • R2-D2 was in "low power mode" ever since Luke disappeared, and no-one thought to ask him about a map? A map which even C3PO speculated might be in R2's memory?
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 20, 2015, 10:48:40 AM
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WTF moments:
  • Why have a desert planet with signature Moisture Farming Vaporators and that one standalone archway which looked straight out of Boonta Speedway -- but it's not Tatooine?
  • Who the hell was Max Von Sydow's nameless character?
  • What the hell did Solo and Fin do with Captain Phasma?
  • Was there some subtle CG used on Carrie Fisher's face during the shot showing her reaction to Han's death? Her nose suddenly became very tiny, and the lighting seemed off.
  • R2-D2 was in "low power mode" ever since Luke disappeared, and no-one thought to ask him about a map? A map which even C3PO speculated might be in R2's memory?
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Phasma went into the garbage chute ANH style
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 20, 2015, 11:28:47 AM
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WTF moments:
  • Why have a desert planet with signature Moisture Farming Vaporators and that one standalone archway which looked straight out of Boonta Speedway -- but it's not Tatooine?
  • Who the hell was Max Von Sydow's nameless character?
  • What the hell did Solo and Fin do with Captain Phasma?
  • Was there some subtle CG used on Carrie Fisher's face during the shot showing her reaction to Han's death? Her nose suddenly became very tiny, and the lighting seemed off.
  • R2-D2 was in "low power mode" ever since Luke disappeared, and no-one thought to ask him about a map? A map which even C3PO speculated might be in R2's memory?
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Phasma went into the garbage chute ANH style
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Can confirm. In the Book it's solo's idea and when they all look at him he says something along the lines of "What! I have experience in these things"
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Beezy on December 20, 2015, 12:14:02 PM
After finding out that Oscar Isaac is short for Oscar Isaac Hernández Estrada and realizing that SW:TFA stars a woman, a black dude, and a hispanic dude going up against an unstable white man, my group of friends have decided that the movie was pretty amazing. Have any butthurt think pieces shown up yet?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 20, 2015, 12:22:31 PM
Can't wait for the butthurt Mra's and racists to come out of the wood work. This films greatest blessing :rejoice

:rejoice
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 20, 2015, 02:57:10 PM
the opening text crawl incase anyone wants to see it

http://i.imgur.com/Yk81R4V.gifv
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 20, 2015, 03:21:44 PM
Best Star Wars movie since Guardians of the Galaxy.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 20, 2015, 03:44:38 PM
Watched it again. Yup, it annihilates A New Hope.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 20, 2015, 04:20:35 PM
Poe is a fighter pilot. I'm not sure how his acting in the film deserves any accolades? Adam Driver did a much better job in this and had much more material.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mupepe on December 20, 2015, 05:01:02 PM
Saw it today. I'm not really a star wars fan and with that I have to say its the best star wars movie to me. It's just mostly action and fun. My wife borderline hated the OT and PT but really liked this movie. She came out making light saber sounds and shit.

I didn't read anything about the plot so everything was a nice surprise. Can't wait for the next one.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on December 20, 2015, 10:36:09 PM
rian johnson is awful

brick is awful wank
brothers bloom is awful wank
looper is awful wank

i don't even go to the cinema that much and i keep getting burned by this dickhead.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: brawndolicious on December 20, 2015, 11:38:57 PM
Is this worth watching in imax/3d?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 20, 2015, 11:59:01 PM
imax yeah.

3d nah
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 21, 2015, 12:09:37 AM
Looper was great!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on December 21, 2015, 12:26:47 AM
Looper was great!

there's a nerdy lameness to everything he does. a try hard prescribed idea of cool that reminds me of fashion threads on neogaf.

strongly suspect the bloke has never lived a day in his life and probably got where he is because his parents bought him the nicest camera at film school.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 21, 2015, 12:29:11 AM
It's always amusing to see people spending their day posting on a forum speculating that other people don't have a life.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: eleuin on December 21, 2015, 12:38:40 AM
After finding out that Oscar Isaac is short for Oscar Isaac Hernández Estrada and realizing that SW:TFA stars a woman, a black dude, and a hispanic dude going up against an unstable white man, my group of friends have decided that the movie was pretty amazing. Have any butthurt think pieces shown up yet?

Even the asian woman survives the ordeal  :rejoice
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 21, 2015, 12:55:46 AM
After finding out that Oscar Isaac is short for Oscar Isaac Hernández Estrada and realizing that SW:TFA stars a woman, a black dude, and a hispanic dude going up against an unstable white man, my group of friends have decided that the movie was pretty amazing. Have any butthurt think pieces shown up yet?

Even the asian woman survives the ordeal  :rejoice

We are truly living in a brand new world.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Bebpo on December 21, 2015, 02:03:42 AM
Saw Star Wars.  I thought it was good, but not great and will be completely forgettable like the prequels because of story decisions.  I'd give it a B, here's things I liked and main issues I had:

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bebpotril: it's not even that I thought Star Wars was bad, I thought it was like a B
bebpotril: but it was like first half was 10/10 THIS MOVIE IS DELIVERING WOW I'M GLAD I HAD NO EXPECTATIONS, and then the 2nd half was like 7/10 generic by-the-books remake of episode IV
bebpotril: I feel like the first half was great and had a sense of adventure and new ideas.  A Stormtrooper breaking rank, a new wave of jedis in the force, cool new aliens and driods, tie fighter flying woooooo, that first millennium falcon escape on Jakku through the remnants of old Star Destroyers and that final part where she cuts the engines to line up the last shot, the dynamic between the girl and fin, the part with han and the two merc groups and then they let out the GRABBERS...all of that was great and well directed, new fun take on Star Wars universe post epVI with good characters
bebpotril: then the second half is literally THE EMPIRE PART 2 HAS A PLANET DESTROYER RAY, YOU FOUND THE LIGHTSABER AND ARE THE NEW ONLY JEDI HOPE, THE REBEL ALLIANCE FORMS A PLAN TO BLOW UP THE DEATH STAR, DOES SO WHILE OBI-WAN HAN BEING STRUCK DOWN, DARTH VADER2 IS SCARED BUT NOT KILLED TO COME BACK STRONGER, it's just...not only mostly a completely unneeded remake of EpIV a New Hope, but besides that it's just so cookie-cutter constructed by committee plotting that it's just utterly uninteresting and makes the movie kind of pointless besides just a well directed introduction for the characters in hopes of a good story popping up in Ep8 or 9.
bebpotril: Even the title, "THE SEARCH FOR LUKE" is pretty much only in the first half of the movie.  They're searching for him, they get to the rebels and find out they only have half the map.  Then THE SEARCH FOR LUKE just stops and the 2nd half of New Hope remake happens and then it jumps to basically post-credit scene of "oh, instantly here is the other half of the map, instantly go jump there, bam search is done; here is luke". 
bebpotril: I dunno, it just feels so weird, like two different movies, where the first half is great and has momentum and the second half is like pointless and just some setups for Ep8/9.  Just feels like it could've been so much more with a better plotted script for the 2nd half that continued the sense of adventure and searching that the first half has.  But it felt like WE NEED A NEW DEATH STAR TO BLOW UP WITH SOME REBELS or something and you got part 2
bebpotril: that being said there was one scene I actually liked in the 2nd half and that was the Jedi battle in the snow.  Was a nice fight.  But otherwise didn't really like anything after the cafe place in the forest
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 21, 2015, 03:18:16 AM
Originally Poe Dameron was supposed to die but Abrams "figured it out" after Isaacs was cast. (http://io9.gizmodo.com/wait-redacted-was-supposed-to-die-in-the-force-awake-1748949179)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 21, 2015, 07:18:49 AM
http://whatever.scalzi.com/2015/12/18/my-non-spoilery-review-of-the-force-awakens/

Scalzi, everyone's favorite Heinlein-channeler, has written a good piece on TFA. It encapsulates how it feels to be a lifetime star war stan and to have JJ deliver us from evil. To, possibly, a different evil.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 21, 2015, 07:40:29 AM
Originally Poe Dameron was supposed to die but Abrams "figured it out" after Isaacs was cast. (http://io9.gizmodo.com/wait-redacted-was-supposed-to-die-in-the-force-awake-1748949179)

Huh? Not in the book.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 21, 2015, 09:16:50 AM
http://whatever.scalzi.com/2015/12/18/my-non-spoilery-review-of-the-force-awakens/

Scalzi, everyone's favorite Heinlein-channeler, has written a good piece on TFA. It encapsulates how it feels to be a lifetime star war stan and to have JJ deliver us from evil. To, possibly, a different evil.

That's not a hell for me at all, but subjectivity I guess. And yeah, he's right. 100%.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 21, 2015, 09:31:08 AM
Great comment in his review:

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I think that you temper expectations well, but we all suffer from giving the original 3 a lot more credit than they deserve. When you say Ep 7 isn’t the best Sci-Fi this year, I would tend to agree, but even back then Star Wars had no such competition. Sci-Fi wasn’t a thing like it is today. Had Episode 7 come out in 1986, 1992, 2003, you would be lauding it much more as definitive Sci-fi. The tide has risen.
Your first love is always seen through rose colored glasses. As your comparison illustrates, they’re different now, but they were NEVER what you remembered either. Your memories were influenced by your love for them.
I would say from a pure cold review of this film, it is far superior to all that came before it. More emotional resonance with the characters, more investment in what is happening.
Time and first loves are weird things.

also, people always think because the ships and space and lasers that Star Wars is sci fi. Star Wars isn't sci fi. I'm not sure why anyone would even expect Star Wars to be a better sci fi movie than something like interstellar. Which is exactly why every time I see someone compare Star Wars to Star Trek I think they're being foolish.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mupepe on December 21, 2015, 10:02:10 AM
Great comment in his review:

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I think that you temper expectations well, but we all suffer from giving the original 3 a lot more credit than they deserve. When you say Ep 7 isn’t the best Sci-Fi this year, I would tend to agree, but even back then Star Wars had no such competition. Sci-Fi wasn’t a thing like it is today. Had Episode 7 come out in 1986, 1992, 2003, you would be lauding it much more as definitive Sci-fi. The tide has risen.
Your first love is always seen through rose colored glasses. As your comparison illustrates, they’re different now, but they were NEVER what you remembered either. Your memories were influenced by your love for them.
I would say from a pure cold review of this film, it is far superior to all that came before it. More emotional resonance with the characters, more investment in what is happening.
Time and first loves are weird things.

also, people always think because the ships and space and lasers that Star Wars is sci fi. Star Wars isn't sci fi. I'm not sure why anyone would even expect Star Wars to be a better sci fi movie than something like interstellar. Which is exactly why every time I see someone compare Star Wars to Star Trek I think they're being foolish.
Completely agree with this
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 21, 2015, 10:05:56 AM
Originally Poe Dameron was supposed to die but Abrams "figured it out" after Isaacs was cast. (http://io9.gizmodo.com/wait-redacted-was-supposed-to-die-in-the-force-awake-1748949179)

Huh? Not in the book.

The book may have been written after the first draft where he was supposed to live.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on December 21, 2015, 10:46:18 AM
http://whatever.scalzi.com/2015/12/18/my-non-spoilery-review-of-the-force-awakens/

Scalzi, everyone's favorite Heinlein-channeler, has written a good piece on TFA. It encapsulates how it feels to be a lifetime star war stan and to have JJ deliver us from evil. To, possibly, a different evil.

using his analogy, the friend who came back could only relate to you by repeatedly bringing up things you both did years ago and couldn't go more than 30 seconds without getting distracted by their phone.

the only thing that makes it feel like a star wars film is that it's set in the star wars universe, to the extent that it has to keep telling you remember this? it's like star wars! to remind you.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mupepe on December 21, 2015, 11:10:28 AM
I have to ask, what is missing that would make it feel like a star wars film?  As an outsider and not much of a fan of the originals it felt like one to me so I'm genuinely curious.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 21, 2015, 11:11:35 AM
also, people always think because the ships and space and lasers that Star Wars is sci fi. Star Wars isn't sci fi. I'm not sure why anyone would even expect Star Wars to be a better sci fi movie than something like interstellar. Which is exactly why every time I see someone compare Star Wars to Star Trek I think they're being foolish.

Star Wars has always been definitively science-fantasy. It's grouped under the larger "sci-fi" label for convenience but I don't think anyone would argue that it's anything like Trek.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 21, 2015, 11:29:11 AM
Great comment in his review:

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I think that you temper expectations well, but we all suffer from giving the original 3 a lot more credit than they deserve. When you say Ep 7 isn’t the best Sci-Fi this year, I would tend to agree, but even back then Star Wars had no such competition. Sci-Fi wasn’t a thing like it is today. Had Episode 7 come out in 1986, 1992, 2003, you would be lauding it much more as definitive Sci-fi. The tide has risen.
Your first love is always seen through rose colored glasses. As your comparison illustrates, they’re different now, but they were NEVER what you remembered either. Your memories were influenced by your love for them.
I would say from a pure cold review of this film, it is far superior to all that came before it. More emotional resonance with the characters, more investment in what is happening.
Time and first loves are weird things.

also, people always think because the ships and space and lasers that Star Wars is sci fi. Star Wars isn't sci fi. I'm not sure why anyone would even expect Star Wars to be a better sci fi movie than something like interstellar. Which is exactly why every time I see someone compare Star Wars to Star Trek I think they're being foolish.

Uhhhhhhh. No. You could make a very credible case for this movie being better than anything that came before... except Empire. ESB is still head and shoulders above this movie. Anyone that says otherwise is a fucktard.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on December 21, 2015, 11:30:45 AM
I have to ask, what is missing that would make it feel like a star wars film?  As an outsider and not much of a fan of the originals it felt like one to me so I'm genuinely curious.

tone, cinematography, pacing, character interaction, ambiance, editing.

it's a reboot rather than a sequel, albeit one that attempts to canonically sit in line as a sequel.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 21, 2015, 11:32:39 AM
I have to ask, what is missing that would make it feel like a star wars film?  As an outsider and not much of a fan of the originals it felt like one to me so I'm genuinely curious.

tone, cinematography, pacing, character interaction, ambiance, editing.

it's a reboot rather than a sequel, albeit one that attempts to canonically sit in line as a sequel.

Yeah, it's basically the Star Trek '09 of the franchise. Which isn't a bad thing, and at least JJ's sensibilities are more in-tune with SW than they were with Trek.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on December 21, 2015, 11:49:39 AM
Yeah, it's basically the Star Trek '09 of the franchise. Which isn't a bad thing, and at least JJ's sensibilities are more in-tune with SW than they were with Trek.

it's like if super 8 had ET in it and followed the same beats instead of turning into a monster movie.

i mean some people will love it. people who enjoy the disney/marvel ride i bet will be well into it. i'd kept my expectations in check all the way up until i saw the trailer, bought tickets for the opening night and dared to dream like a dumb idiot.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 21, 2015, 12:00:26 PM
I have to ask, what is missing that would make it feel like a star wars film?  As an outsider and not much of a fan of the originals it felt like one to me so I'm genuinely curious.

tone, cinematography, pacing, character interaction, ambiance, editing.

it's a reboot rather than a sequel, albeit one that attempts to canonically sit in line as a sequel.

its really easy to throw words like that out without providing any examples

personally I don't agree at all.  This movie felt so much more like an OT Star Wars movie than I think you give it credit for.  Cinematography?  Do you realize ANH is relatively...badly shot?

Character interaction?  We have possibly the best main character interactions of the year between Finn and Han, Finn and Poe, Rey and Ren.

I just don't agree, at all.  Movie was tits.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 21, 2015, 12:03:36 PM
The force awakens has some of if not the best character interaction in the series.

A New Hope is really, really dated. I watched the despecialized version the other day and you have to be sniffing roach poison to think it is well shot and well edited.

You talk about how the new movie is this vapid thing when half of A New Hope is either spent on a space ship and blowing up storm troopers of trying to get out of a garbage compactor or a big, epic mission where they're trying to destroy a giant weapon of destruction.

A lot of your complaints are nostalgia goggles defined.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 21, 2015, 12:06:36 PM
ANH was also George Lucas's third movie, it's good to keep that in mind when assessing the cinematography and editing.

TBH I'm not sure a movie like ones in the OT could be made today. It'd be seen as too boring.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 21, 2015, 12:08:26 PM
ANH was also George Lucas's third movie, it's good to keep that in mind when assessing the cinematography and editing.

TBH I'm not sure a movie like ones in the OT could be made today. It'd be seen as too boring.

The cinematography in TFA massacres that movie and a lot of Jedi as well. The shot where Rey slides down the sand hill, the shot of her eating at the AT-AT, the part where she puts the Rebel helmet on and looks wistfully at the sunset. The film has a lot of beautiful shots. The one Star Wars movie that is the exception to the rule and always been the exception is Empire.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 21, 2015, 12:09:47 PM
I haven't seen TFA yet but I don't doubt JJ's prowess. Pretty shots are pretty much his hallmark.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 21, 2015, 12:10:58 PM
Great comment in his review:

Quote
I think that you temper expectations well, but we all suffer from giving the original 3 a lot more credit than they deserve. When you say Ep 7 isn’t the best Sci-Fi this year, I would tend to agree, but even back then Star Wars had no such competition. Sci-Fi wasn’t a thing like it is today. Had Episode 7 come out in 1986, 1992, 2003, you would be lauding it much more as definitive Sci-fi. The tide has risen.
Your first love is always seen through rose colored glasses. As your comparison illustrates, they’re different now, but they were NEVER what you remembered either. Your memories were influenced by your love for them.
I would say from a pure cold review of this film, it is far superior to all that came before it. More emotional resonance with the characters, more investment in what is happening.
Time and first loves are weird things.

also, people always think because the ships and space and lasers that Star Wars is sci fi. Star Wars isn't sci fi. I'm not sure why anyone would even expect Star Wars to be a better sci fi movie than something like interstellar. Which is exactly why every time I see someone compare Star Wars to Star Trek I think they're being foolish.

Uhhhhhhh. No. You could make a very credible case for this movie being better than anything that came before... except Empire. ESB is still head and shoulders above this movie. Anyone that says otherwise is a fucktard.

Empire has been the exception. The problem is people think Empire = Star Wars.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 21, 2015, 12:11:28 PM
A New Hope is really, really dated. I watched the despecialized version the other day and you have to be sniffing roach poison to think it is well shot and well edited.

I haven't seen the new movie and I don't have a horse on that race but I'll just say this statement imo is absurdly silly. And I can categorically say I'm not speaking from nostalgia goggles since I didn't see the movie until way in my adulthood.

I'm not sure why people feel like they have to shit on something to uplift another thing. Stick to uplifting the thing you like.

The concept of "dated" is pretty meaningless. The popular concept of how to film a movie changes over time. Everything dates. In 40 years the Force Awakens will be "dated".
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 21, 2015, 12:13:04 PM
I haven't seen TFA yet but I don't doubt JJ's prowess. Pretty shots are pretty much his hallmark.


Yeah, it's basically the Star Trek '09 of the franchise. Which isn't a bad thing, and at least JJ's sensibilities are more in-tune with SW than they were with Trek.

???
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on December 21, 2015, 12:13:35 PM
its really easy to throw words like that out without providing any examples

personally I don't agree at all.  This movie felt so much more like an OT Star Wars movie than I think you give it credit for.  Cinematography?  Do you realize ANH is relatively...badly shot?

Character interaction?  We have possibly the best main character interactions of the year between Finn and Han, Finn and Poe, Rey and Ren.

I just don't agree, at all.  Movie was tits.

"i like this in TFA more" doesn't mean it's similar. it wasn't. you might've enjoyed the character interactions, but they were much closer to the avengers than empire strikes back. you might've enjoyed the cinematography, but it was much closer to the star trek reboot than empire strikes back.

maybe you think the natural scene sitting camerawork of empire is boring, maybe you think that the frequent periods of downtime, transition and reflection slowed the film down. you can think all of those things, but doesn't mean that if you jettison them than the new film will be more star wars.

if you really adore TFA, the chances are you never wanted a new star wars film in the first place. you wanted a very modern movie typical of the disney mould dressed in star wars clothes.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 21, 2015, 12:20:22 PM
A New Hope is really, really dated. I watched the despecialized version the other day and you have to be sniffing roach poison to think it is well shot and well edited.

I haven't seen the new movie and I don't have a horse on that race but I'll just say this statement imo is absurdly silly. And I can categorically say I'm not speaking from nostalgia goggles since I didn't see the movie until way in my adulthood.

I'm not sure why people feel like they have to shit on something to uplift another thing. Stick to uplifting the thing you like.

I'm not shitting on anything. I fucking love that movie.

But it's really, really hard to take a fanbase seriously that when many of their complaints of the new one are totally in movies they put on a pedastal. A lot of them have weird ideas on what Star Wars even is. They think it's some enlightening space movie when it was only ever an epic space adventure. There's nothing wrong with that, but it feels like a giant portion of Star Wars attach the series to a label or something that it never really was and I think that colors a lot of their impressions of the new film. A lot them are also perfectly fine with comparing Empire to the new movie, and they're definitely willing to say it's inferior to the others even in areas it is objectively better in, such as editing and cinematography. I love the original trilogy to pieces, but arguing that the new film lacks ambience or cinematography when defending the original Star Wars trilogy is hilarious to me.

I would love for Headwalk to tell us why and how The Force Awakens has worse cinematography and editing than A New Hope or even Jedi. If anything, it's about the same in some ways.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 21, 2015, 12:26:36 PM
I also think that in general Empire Strikes Back is a blight on the franchise. Not even ANH and ROTJ are ESB. Why is the movie not being on par with ESB mean it's a bad movie? A lot of fans say Jedi is an awful movie purely because it isn't as good as Empire. It's like Empire is the victim of its own awesomeness and I think colors a large majority of the fanbase. Empire is my favorite and IMO the best Star Wars, but I don't understand why a Star Wars movie has to be Empire to be a good Star Wars movie. Jedi could have been just as good as Empire and people wouldn't have been satisfied. Now people like Headwalk are willing to compare to the first movie in the trilogy to Empire.

I love that movie but the way the fanbase puts that film on a pedestal to the point where they can't enjoy a pretty good entry in the series because "it's more Avengers than Empire" is ???
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 21, 2015, 12:27:54 PM
Like I said, I haven't seen the new movie so I can't speak to it.

It's just a pet peeve of mine when I feel like something that has stood the test of time is called dated so easily. The new movie may have revolutionary and stunning cinematography for all I know.

The past is important. It's neither a sacred cow nor something to bludgeon anything new. It's something to inform the conversation.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on December 21, 2015, 12:28:05 PM
I'm not shitting on anything. I fucking love that movie.

But it's really, really hard to take a fanbase seriously that when many of their complaints of the new one are totally in movies they put on a pedastal. A lot of them have weird ideas on what Star Wars even is. They think it's some enlightening space movie when it was only ever an epic space adventure. There's nothing wrong with that, but it feels like a giant portion of Star Wars attach the series to a label or something that it never really was and I think that colors a lot of their impressions of the new film. A lot them are also perfectly fine with comparing Empire to the new movie, and they're definitely willing to say it's inferior to the others even in areas it is objectively better in, such as editing and cinematography. I love the original trilogy to pieces, but arguing that the new film lacks ambience or cinematography when defending the original Star Wars trilogy is hilarious to me.

I would love for Headwalk to tell us why and how The Force Awakens has worse cinematography and editing than A New Hope or even Jedi. If anything, it's about the same in some ways.

pretty disturbing to see people use word for word the same defence that people rolled out for the prequels.

it doesn't necessarily have worse cinematography or editing than ANH or jedi, it's from an entirely different galaxy of film making. like if chris nolan made a soft reboot of 2001 a space odyssey.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 21, 2015, 12:31:42 PM
TFA is awesome, and I will leave this thread now
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 21, 2015, 12:33:16 PM
TFA is awesome, and I will leave this thread now

From what I've seen most of the thread seems to agree. A dissenting opinion isn't that big a deal.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 21, 2015, 12:34:00 PM
Here's the thing: you aren't getting movies from the late 70's/early 80's made anymore. If that's the sort of thing you like and enjoy, don't watch big budget movies today, because you will be unsatisfied.

All things considered, TFA is about as good as it's going to get for a Disney Star War movie. Either enjoy it for what it is or don't watch it. You sound kind of like the No Mutants Allowed fanboys crying that a game THE EXACT SAME AS FALLOUT 1 OR 2 CAN'T BE MADE ANYMORE.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mupepe on December 21, 2015, 12:36:41 PM
This is getting heated. Shields up, sabers on. Vwom. Vwoooooom. Vwom vwom vwom.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 21, 2015, 12:40:31 PM
Again, why in the WORLD would you even EXPECT The Force Awakens to be on par with Empire? If you didn't go in with that expectation you wouldn't be making that comparison.

And saying that the arguments are the same as defenses for the prequels? :lol

This is why I think some Star Wars fans are victims of their own expectations. I read something today where a dude argued that ROTJ  sucked because Ewok's exist and we didn't get a Wookie planet in Jedi, which is what he expected. And by his argument, Jedi sucks because of that.

Star Wars fan diehards remind me of Final Fantasy fans. "THIS ONE ISN'T FANTASY, FINAL FANTASY IS ONLY FANTASY. CARS  AND SPACE SHIPS SHOULD NOT EXIST IN FINAL FANTASY."
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 21, 2015, 12:50:02 PM
Here's the thing: you aren't getting movies from the late 70's/early 80's made anymore. If that's the sort of thing you like and enjoy, don't watch big budget movies today, because you will be unsatisfied.

All things considered, TFA is about as good as it's going to get for a Disney Star War movie. Either enjoy it for what it is or don't watch it. You sound kind of like the No Mutants Allowed fanboys crying that a game THE EXACT SAME AS FALLOUT 1 OR 2 CAN'T BE MADE ANYMORE.

I already knew that I wouldn't get what *I* like about Fallout with 4 and was perfectly satisfied with NV. I didn't buy 4 and won't be buying 4. If you are going to place your own expectations on a product, know what those expectations are, and if you think the product won't be what you're hoping for, don't purchase it. Unfortunately, nerds have a tendency to just throw away money just because. "I know I'm not going to like it but it's _____" is quite common. I don't see how hard this is. But thinking JJ Abrams is capable of making an ESB caliber movie?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 21, 2015, 01:02:40 PM
I was on a podcast that talked about TFA yesterday, and at the end we all agreed that nerds are the worst, because of a lack of self-control and stupid expectations. "This stupid cartoon about robot cars that I liked in the 80's should make a great movie, even though a no talent hack is directing it. I'll go see it 4 times because reasons."
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 21, 2015, 01:05:58 PM
I was on a podcast that talked about TFA yesterday, and at the end we all agreed that nerds are the worst, because of a lack of self-control and stupid expectations. "This stupid cartoon about robot cars that I liked in the 80's should make a great movie, even though a no talent hack is directing it. I'll go see it 4 times because reasons."

"I don't like WWE programming, but I'm going to keep watching WWE programming even though there's viable alternatives because I watch Raw out of pure habit."  :doge

Nerds are weird. Why are we so weird?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on December 21, 2015, 01:19:00 PM
i don't know, it think it's quite a nerd trait for people to get bent out of shape because other people didn't think their giant new hype drop was anything special and saying "it's as great as it can be and either enjoy it or don't watch it" is a pretty wrist quiveringly awful statement and one straight out of an uncharted review thread.

like, it's alright. it's competent and digestible but ultimately heartless. we all should have expected that all along really but that doesn't mean i can't talk about it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 21, 2015, 01:24:27 PM
I think "heartless" is a bit much. I found Finn and Rey engaging characters that I cared about, and want to know more about their past and future.

You didn't. YMMV. But don't tell us we're all morons for feeling that way.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 21, 2015, 01:29:41 PM
Headwalk, this is the first movie I've seen in a long time where I actually give a shit about what happens next. Most serialized movies these days, I'm like "alright, that was a good movie, see you in two years I guess", but not with TFA. I was really, really absorbed into the story of Rey, Kylo Ren, and Finn, and in some ways Poe. The fate of Luke;etc all helped feed into the movie and give it a lot of interesting questions about where the films are going to go.

i really, really like Finn, Kylo Ren, and Rey. You said that the movie was about shoving as much crap to remind you this is Star Wars, but the movie was ultimately about a new generation as much as it was an old generation, and I can't wait to see where it all goes. I never got that once with the prequel trilogy, and calling the character interaction "heartless" seems a bit much.

"What about that ship?"
"That ship is garbage!"
*the ship they're running to gets destroyed*
"The garbage will do!"

:bow
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on December 21, 2015, 01:31:03 PM
You didn't. YMMV. But don't tell us we're all morons for feeling that way.

again, i'm not sure where i called anyone a moron.

for all your "these nerds" accusations, you seem to take very personal offence to criticism of a film you enjoyed.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 21, 2015, 01:38:17 PM
You didn't. YMMV. But don't tell us we're all morons for feeling that way.

again, i'm not sure where i called anyone a moron.

for all your "these nerds" accusations, you seem to take very personal offence to criticism of a film you enjoyed.

The problem isn't criticism. The problem are your expectations combined with criticism without a shroud of personal context. You mentioned before that the cinematography is poor compared to the original trilogy, and when compounded with a rebuttal that the cinematography is pretty fucking solid (as it's one of JJ's positive points) you neglected to personally explain why the cinematography of the original trilogy was so good.

You compared the movie to Avengers when Avengers is a pretty damn good movie, and also has a somewhat similar structure to the first Star Wars movie. You said it's more Avengers than Empire Strikes Back when no one with any sound rationale would have gone into this movie comparing it to Empire to begin with.

Both of which factor into the "nerd" thing I initially brought up that Creepy expounded upon. Many nerds are more than willing to critique products they purchase, but are very rarely willing to critique their own expectations of that product is or should be. Comparing TFA to ESB fits that category of "nerd expectations".
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on December 21, 2015, 01:43:09 PM
i really, really like Finn, Kylo Ren, and Rey. You said that the movie was about shoving as much crap to remind you this is Star Wars, but the movie was ultimately about a new generation as much as it was an old generation, and I can't wait to see where it all goes. I never got that once with the prequel trilogy, and calling the character interaction "heartless" seems a bit much.

yeah, i'm not sure heartless is the right word, maybe calculated is better. like, this doesn't feel like a story anyone is burning to tell. i suppose with the genus being "we want to make more star wars films" and it being a committee driven process, it was always going to be hard to escape from.

i'm not angry about any of this. it's been interesting to see what a modern star wars film would look like given the current climate of blockbuster cinema and the value of the brand and in that i think it's a decent milestone of the times.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Rufus on December 21, 2015, 01:50:28 PM
You didn't. YMMV. But don't tell us we're all morons for feeling that way.

again, i'm not sure where i called anyone a moron.

for all your "these nerds" accusations, you seem to take very personal offence to criticism of a film you enjoyed.
Disassociate yourself from the things you like, folks. Life's nicer that way.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 21, 2015, 01:53:41 PM
Okay then. Honestly, I haven't seen or experienced any Star Wars story, besides the original, that was "burning to be told". Not even games like KOTOR. Again, I think this factors into expectations. Was even the original trilogy burning to be told? I mean, in hindsight we think it is but it's because we grew up with them, and when you're young you have a larger inclination towards stories like Star Wars. I mean, originally, ANH was just Star Wars and there were no plans for a sequel, much less a trilogy. I think this also factors possibly into age. I'm not sure how old you are, or when you got into Star Wars, but I got into them with the Special Editions when they were in theaters in 1997. That was my introduction to Star Wars and sealed my love for space opera. But then I was an 11 year old kid, so of course Star Wars was a story "burning to be told". I thought Final Fantasy VII, which was released later in the year, was the best story I ever experienced. I was a fucking kid, and that's how kids think. It also helps that, again, depending on how old you are, all of the original trilogy were already out when you were a kid. We had the luxury of watching them back to back with ease and didn't have to wait two-three years for new entries. When the Special Editions came out, they would release one movie in the trilogy a month in theaters for a limited time only. Things are going to feel like they have a reason to be told when you get to watch the entire series in a three month time span, or if you had them on VHS or Laserdisc, in the span of a day.

In reality, the only reasoning these movies exist and have ever existed is to show a story of a youth with potential to defeat the dark big bad, which is all the justification they've ever really needed to exist.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on December 21, 2015, 01:55:02 PM
The problem isn't criticism. The problem are your expectations combined with criticism without a shroud of personal context. You mentioned before that the cinematography is poor compared to the original trilogy, and when compounded with a rebuttal that the cinematography is pretty fucking solid (as it's one of JJ's positive points) you neglected to personally explain why the cinematography of the original trilogy was so good.

when did i say the cinematography was poor, or did you just read into that because i said it's completely different from the originals?

think about the difference in how a mendes/deakins bond film is shot and a standard JJ film. i'm not going to argue one is better than the other, they're both big blockbuster action films, but the patience and use of space in the former is much closer to the originals than the dynamic 3D roaming lens flare spectacular of the latter. you might argue that the former would be totally shit for a space fantasy yarn in 2015 and would kill the action, and i'm sure disney would agree.

the opposite end would be lucas' prequels where it was practically a teleplay.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 21, 2015, 02:06:26 PM
The problem isn't criticism. The problem are your expectations combined with criticism without a shroud of personal context. You mentioned before that the cinematography is poor compared to the original trilogy, and when compounded with a rebuttal that the cinematography is pretty fucking solid (as it's one of JJ's positive points) you neglected to personally explain why the cinematography of the original trilogy was so good.

when did i say the cinematography was poor, or did you just read into that because i said it's completely different from the originals?

think about the difference in how a mendes/deakins bond film is shot and a standard JJ film. i'm not going to argue one is better than the other, but the patience and use of space in the former is much closer to the orignals than the dynamic 3D roaming lens flare spectacular of the latter. you might argue that the former would be totally shit for a space fantasy yarn and would kill the action, and i'm sure disney would agree.

the opposite end would be lucas' prequels where it was practically a teleplay.

Isn't TFA pretty lens flare-less?

I'm not sure why the cinematography being similar to the originals is even important. To me, what matters is whether or not it's good. And it was pretty to look at. I think what's more important here is the style of the films - Akira Kurosawa esque wipe transitions, showing story through visuals;etc - than pure cinematography and direction. After all, there's a stark difference in direction and cinematography going from ANH to ESB. Just like there will be a large difference between TFA and the Episode 8.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 21, 2015, 02:43:42 PM
Headwalk, okay you didn't like the movie. We get it. Now bugger right on out of this thread if it's going to consist of you making 30 fucking posts about it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on December 21, 2015, 02:54:50 PM
Headwalk, okay you didn't like the movie. We get it. Now bugger right on out of this thread if it's going to consist of you making 30 fucking posts about it.

i'm having a conversation mate.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 21, 2015, 02:56:10 PM
Headwalk, okay you didn't like the movie. We get it. Now bugger right on out of this thread if it's going to consist of you making 30 fucking posts about it.

i'm having a conversation mate.

No you're not. You're not even listening to anybody else.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on December 21, 2015, 02:58:57 PM
No you're not. You're not even listening to anybody else.

what are you talking about?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 21, 2015, 03:31:02 PM
Headwalk made a few posts that didn't agree with everybody. We don't always have to dogpile on every opinion in a movie thread.

It doesn't have to be the focus for however long people want to talk about the movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 21, 2015, 03:57:32 PM
None of headwalk's posts seem egregious or inflammatory, y'all overreacting.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 21, 2015, 04:20:36 PM
I'm perfectly fine having this convo with Headwalk. I just genuinely want to understand!

Headwalk, what say you about my last post?!

You also didn't address this:

Okay then. Honestly, I haven't seen or experienced any Star Wars story, besides the original, that was "burning to be told". Not even games like KOTOR. Again, I think this factors into expectations. Was even the original trilogy burning to be told? I mean, in hindsight we think it is but it's because we grew up with them, and when you're young you have a larger inclination towards stories like Star Wars. I mean, originally, ANH was just Star Wars and there were no plans for a sequel, much less a trilogy. I think this also factors possibly into age. I'm not sure how old you are, or when you got into Star Wars, but I got into them with the Special Editions when they were in theaters in 1997. That was my introduction to Star Wars and sealed my love for space opera. But then I was an 11 year old kid, so of course Star Wars was a story "burning to be told". I thought Final Fantasy VII, which was released later in the year, was the best story I ever experienced. I was a fucking kid, and that's how kids think. It also helps that, again, depending on how old you are, all of the original trilogy were already out when you were a kid. We had the luxury of watching them back to back with ease and didn't have to wait two-three years for new entries. When the Special Editions came out, they would release one movie in the trilogy a month in theaters for a limited time only. Things are going to feel like they have a reason to be told when you get to watch the entire series in a three month time span, or if you had them on VHS or Laserdisc, in the span of a day.

In reality, the only reasoning these movies exist and have ever existed is to show a story of a youth with potential to defeat the dark big bad, which is all the justification they've ever really needed to exist.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: naff on December 21, 2015, 05:02:43 PM
Rewatched ROTJ then TFA back to back. Was so zzzzzz by the end of ROTJ, but TFA had me hype as hell. The fan service was off the chart, I have never watched a film that broke the 4th wall so consistently with its nods. I always expect a pastiche from  JJ, but I didn't expect it to ape ANH in such a self aware, humorous fashion.  Great reboot, JJ nailed it, looking forward to star wars for the rest of my life :p
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 21, 2015, 05:10:29 PM
I'm telling you guys. Watch the originals then watch TFA.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 21, 2015, 06:38:41 PM
ANH was also George Lucas's third movie, it's good to keep that in mind when assessing the cinematography and editing.

TBH I'm not sure a movie like ones in the OT could be made today. It'd be seen as too boring.
Yeah, my son has had very little interest in watching them, though he had little trouble with Ep. I and II.  :-\
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 21, 2015, 06:42:04 PM
TFA is awesome, and I will leave this thread now
"You were right about one thing: the negotiations were brief...!"
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: mormapope on December 21, 2015, 07:01:58 PM
Tried to see it in theaters with a friend. Every fucking seat was taken in two theaters except for a couple seats in the nose bleeds and two seats all the way in the back that weren't next to each other. Checked multiple times in two theaters, we were shit outta luck. Decided to go to a bar instead.

Fuck this pre-order seating bullshit, I don't remember this for any blockbuster in the past. If you want a good seat, get there before everyone else and stalk it out. The fact that movie theaters want to push their ticket pre-order system pisses me off.

Seriously, so if someone gets to theater a couple hours before everyone else, that doesn't matter if people pre-order their tickets and show up ten minutes before the movie starts? So fucking dumb.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 21, 2015, 07:04:25 PM
Tried to see it in theaters with a friend. Every fucking seat was taken in two theaters except for a couple seats in the nose bleeds and two seats all the way in the back that weren't next to each other. Checked multiple times in two theaters, we were shit outta luck. Decided to go to a bar instead.

Fuck this pre-order seating bullshit, I don't remember this for any blockbuster in the past. If you want a good seat, get there before everyone else and stalk it out. The fact that movie theaters want to push their ticket pre-order system pisses me off.

Seriously, so if someone gets to theater a couple hours before everyone else, that doesn't matter if people pre-order their tickets and show up ten minutes before the movie starts? So fucking dumb.

You must not go to sporting events or plays or certain concerts or other things.

I like reserved seating.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: brob on December 21, 2015, 07:06:00 PM
Fuck this pre-order seating bullshit, I don't remember this for any blockbuster in the past. If you want a good seat, get there before everyone else and stalk it out. The fact that movie theaters want to push their ticket pre-order system pisses me off.

???

when you buy a movie ticket don't you get assigned a seat? that's how literally every movie theater I've been to has done it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: mormapope on December 21, 2015, 07:09:41 PM
I've been to stand up comedy shows (reserved seating) and live shows that didn't have reserved seating. Reserved seating makes sense for living people doing something live, there's spectacle around seeing someone up close or whatever distance you want to see them.

For movies though? Dumb as all hell. Instead of spontaneously deciding to see a movie with friends or family, it now has to be a orchestrated event.

This won't be an issue soon though, just sucks that I was finally getting hyped up and then it was deflated instantly.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 21, 2015, 07:12:43 PM
Fuck this pre-order seating bullshit, I don't remember this for any blockbuster in the past. If you want a good seat, get there before everyone else and stalk it out. The fact that movie theaters want to push their ticket pre-order system pisses me off.

???

when you buy a movie ticket don't you get assigned a seat? that's how literally every movie theater I've been to has done it.

No, not in America unless you go to specific theaters. In America it's a free for all. Watch Seinfeld.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx4N8vGbs8I
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: mormapope on December 21, 2015, 07:12:54 PM
Fuck this pre-order seating bullshit, I don't remember this for any blockbuster in the past. If you want a good seat, get there before everyone else and stalk it out. The fact that movie theaters want to push their ticket pre-order system pisses me off.

???

when you buy a movie ticket don't you get assigned a seat? that's how literally every movie theater I've been to has done it.

For the theaters I've been to, the ticket stub was used as a confirmation that you've paid to see a movie, people next to the movie entrances would check. Other than that seating has been musical chair style for as long as I remember.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: naff on December 21, 2015, 07:29:32 PM
excellent display of entitlement, pls continue

(http://i.giphy.com/10ERZqYioLWJ6U.gif)

so glad we are a civilised country and don't have to fuck with unassigned seats in popular films. forethought and planning leading to getting what you want :lawd

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: brob on December 21, 2015, 07:32:24 PM
:wag don't be rude. that's their culture and we should respect it :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Shadow Mod on December 21, 2015, 07:33:01 PM
Assigned seats would be great, when you go to the movies in a huge group you just look like an asshole telling people half your crew is buying shit in the lobby, these seats are taken sorry. Not to mention trying to get several seats in a row can be a challenge.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mupepe on December 21, 2015, 07:34:29 PM
All the AMC's on my side of town have gone to reserved seating and most of the Cinemarks too. Thank god for it too. I fucking loathe having to stalk out a good seat. I had to wait 2+ hours to get a decent seat for Avatar in 2009. I don't have time for that shit.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 21, 2015, 07:34:38 PM
For what it's worth, I would prefer assigned seats.

My preferred seat "right in middle of the theater, smack dab in the center" is a popular seat though. Either that, or close to the front, but it's trying times when gunmen shoot up theaters and they're most likely to sit up front to block anyone from leaving.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Positive Touch on December 21, 2015, 07:36:31 PM
regarding why nerds are insufferable, i think a large part of it is because they invest so much of themselves and their emotions into franchises that they enjoy but don't create. when the franchise doesn't go the way they want they bitch and moan like they were entitled to get whatever THEY wanted instead of what the creators wanted to achieve.

 i dunno if I'm explaining it right, but it's like a fucked up entitlement to think that something you didn't create should be exactly as you say.  like how nerds view their love of a franchise as a two way relationship and get all emotional about it and what the fuck am i even saying urgh these meds are really fucking with me
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 21, 2015, 07:37:39 PM
when you go to the movies in a huge group you just look like an asshole telling people half your crew is buying shit in the lobby

Who buys anything in the lobby anymore? Legit question, I haven't done it in years. Shit is too expensive. Better to eat before going to the movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Shadow Mod on December 21, 2015, 07:38:04 PM
Various fanbases have way too much personal stock in their franchises/hobbies and any sort of negative response to them elicits an extremely defensive position rather than just "okay it wasn't your cup of tea."


when you go to the movies in a huge group you just look like an asshole telling people half your crew is buying shit in the lobby

Who buys anything in the lobby anymore? Legit question, I haven't done it in years. Shit is too expensive. Better to eat before going to the movie.

Beer and cocktails don't have that much mark up tbh.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: mormapope on December 21, 2015, 07:38:32 PM
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forethought and planning leading to getting what you want

..And planning to get to a theater early to get the seats you want isn't?

"Excellent display of entitlement"  ::)

I wanted to see a movie with a friend at the moment and every showtime had booked seats, I got disappointed and did something else with my time.

I'm glad you treat movies with such careful thought at tact, but I value spontaneous action and getting somewhere first over reserved seating for a screen and projector.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 21, 2015, 07:40:04 PM
Various fanbases have way too much personal stock in their franchises/hobbies and any sort of negative response to them elicits an extremely defensive position rather than just "okay it wasn't your cup of tea."


when you go to the movies in a huge group you just look like an asshole telling people half your crew is buying shit in the lobby

Who buys anything in the lobby anymore? Legit question, I haven't done it in years. Shit is too expensive. Better to eat before going to the movie.

Beer and cocktails don't have that much mark up tbh.

I'm thankful that I have a local Movie Tavern. I guess I'm spoiled. No one has to leave because we use a thing to call the service to us. You can order beer and booze too, and they bring it to you. Place owns.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Shadow Mod on December 21, 2015, 07:40:28 PM
I've done both planning and spontaneous. You can't really do spontaneous the first couple weeks in the evening with certain films and expect a decent seat  :yeshrug.
Spontaneous I leave for what's playing at the second run theater with the good food and couches, ooo.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 21, 2015, 07:41:37 PM
Various fanbases have way too much personal stock in their franchises/hobbies and any sort of negative response to them elicits an extremely defensive position rather than just "okay it wasn't your cup of tea."

Serious question but tying into that and Star Wars, how come there are so many that thing Return of the Jedi is a shit movie because of the Ewok's existence? Is this a generational fan thing?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 21, 2015, 07:42:19 PM
You can't always plan with a movie like Star Wars anyways.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: mormapope on December 21, 2015, 07:43:10 PM
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You can't really do spontaneous the first couple weeks in the evening with certain films and expect a decent seat

This is what it came down to, I realized it was sunday night and the new Star Wars came out a few days earlier. The disappointment came from every showtime at two separate theaters, in all formats, having almost all the seats reserved.

"The 2D showing two hours from now, nine at night, has those seats available? (Nosebleeds, handicap, and two seats not next to each other at the top of the theater)"

Its really no biggie in the end.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Positive Touch on December 21, 2015, 07:43:18 PM
Various fanbases have way too much personal stock in their franchises/hobbies and any sort of negative response to them elicits an extremely defensive position rather than just "okay it wasn't your cup of tea."

Serious question but tying into that and Star Wars, how come there are so many that thing Return of the Jedi is a shit movie because of the Ewok's existence? Is this a generational fan thing?


I've seen that argument around for as long as I've had the Internet
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 21, 2015, 07:44:16 PM
Various fanbases have way too much personal stock in their franchises/hobbies and any sort of negative response to them elicits an extremely defensive position rather than just "okay it wasn't your cup of tea."

Serious question but tying into that and Star Wars, how come there are so many that thing Return of the Jedi is a shit movie because of the Ewok's existence? Is this a generational fan thing?


I've seen that argument around for as long as I've had the Internet

I seriously need an explanation. It has always screamed anal in terms of nitpicks but what do I know? I watched that movie when I was 11 and it was my favorite. I never realized people think ROTJ is the turning point for Star Wars turning to shit until I got the internet. It was a total :wtf for me considering ROTJ was my fave.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Shadow Mod on December 21, 2015, 07:44:52 PM
Various fanbases have way too much personal stock in their franchises/hobbies and any sort of negative response to them elicits an extremely defensive position rather than just "okay it wasn't your cup of tea."

Serious question but tying into that and Star Wars, how come there are so many that thing Return of the Jedi is a shit movie because of the Ewok's existence? Is this a generational fan thing?

Others will have to answer this, I don't want to take a large "I was never really into star wars" shit in here. Just wanted to say that I wish more theaters would have reserved seating so you could buy group tickets in a batch and manage to sit together.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: brob on December 21, 2015, 07:49:06 PM
if you are a teen or young adult trying to take it seriously the ewoks running around like teletubbies probably stand out in a bad way
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Shadow Mod on December 21, 2015, 07:49:55 PM
The mistake is trying to take it seriously in the first place though  :doge

It's got serious moments but it's hardly a serious batch of films...

Funny enough I think that's why the prequels are as terrible as they are, just tryhard stupid shit...
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 21, 2015, 07:51:36 PM
I'd say the special edition Jabba's den dance scene stands out in a more embarrassing manner. I didn't get to see Jedi in theaters when the special edition was out, so I had to settle on renting the original from Blockbuster. Imagine my shock when I watched the special editions later on and had to deal with that awful dance number.

I guess if you're a teen and take it see that. I guess I never took Star Wars seriously in that manner.

I guess we all like different things in Star Wars. I've always liked the lore and history, and fantasy elements, and destiny, and the spiritual shit. It was a fun action-adventure series with awesome plot twists and well told stories for me. I never saw any reason to take it seriously, but again, this factors into what I mentioned earlier about age and when we were exposed to Star Wars.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 21, 2015, 07:54:16 PM
Various fanbases have way too much personal stock in their franchises/hobbies and any sort of negative response to them elicits an extremely defensive position rather than just "okay it wasn't your cup of tea."

Serious question but tying into that and Star Wars, how come there are so many that thing Return of the Jedi is a shit movie because of the Ewok's existence? Is this a generational fan thing?


I've seen that argument around for as long as I've had the Internet

I seriously need an explanation. It has always screamed anal in terms of nitpicks but what do I know? I watched that movie when I was 11 and it was my favorite. I never realized people think ROTJ is the turning point for Star Wars turning to shit until I got the internet. It was a total :wtf for me considering ROTJ was my fave.

Because the entire existence of the ewoks was a ploy to sell toys to kids. The original script had the final battle over the Wookie homeworld, and that shit would have owned hardcore. Instead we got marketable teddy bears that thought C3P0 was a god.

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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: mormapope on December 21, 2015, 07:54:57 PM
ROTJ doesn't put as much value in the main cast of characters versus other movies. They're still incredibly valuable, but a lot of the battling and fighting feels trivial compared to happened in Empire.

For example, in Empire, every non Empire character (as in, they aren't in or involved with the inner workings of The Empire) gets dealt a terrible hand, and there's a lot of tragedy mixed in with a struggle. Battles felt like there was a lot at stake for the characters. Anxiety and mystery are its key themes.

Return of the Jedi, the battles feel very bombastic and much more light hearted. Not just due to the Ewoks either. The battles on Endor feel like a waste of time when it comes to plot development and storytelling. Neat action scenes, but they're pretty empty as a whole.

The best thing about ROTJ is Luke, Palpatine, and Vader all in the same room and the context behind the drama. Those parts of the movie rival everything great from The Empire Strikes Back.

If the movie worked around that conflict, of sith trying to convert Jedi, more than Endor and space battling, it would be viewed a lot more favorably.

I think the hate it gets is weird. 
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: naff on December 21, 2015, 07:55:01 PM
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forethought and planning leading to getting what you want

..And planning to get to a theater early to get the seats you want isn't?

"Excellent display of entitlement"  ::)

I wanted to see a movie with a friend at the moment and every showtime had booked seats, I got disappointed and did something else with my time.

I'm glad you treat movies with such careful thought at tact, but I value spontaneous action and getting somewhere first over reserved seating for a screen and projector.

Mainly jus fuckin wit u coz  :umad

though i honestly don't get the hate for booking systems, I also saw tfa on a whim, whipped out the phone on sunday after an early afternoon nap  :foxx  looked up sessions with available seating -the one I naturally would've tried was booked out, though one of the four evening sessions after that wasn't even half full. If there wasn't a decent seating plan online i would've had no idea what sessions were available and the cinema staff would've been dealing with hordes of frustrated freaks trying to get a seat. Where's the negative? win-win right?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 21, 2015, 07:59:55 PM
Various fanbases have way too much personal stock in their franchises/hobbies and any sort of negative response to them elicits an extremely defensive position rather than just "okay it wasn't your cup of tea."

Serious question but tying into that and Star Wars, how come there are so many that thing Return of the Jedi is a shit movie because of the Ewok's existence? Is this a generational fan thing?


I've seen that argument around for as long as I've had the Internet

I seriously need an explanation. It has always screamed anal in terms of nitpicks but what do I know? I watched that movie when I was 11 and it was my favorite. I never realized people think ROTJ is the turning point for Star Wars turning to shit until I got the internet. It was a total :wtf for me considering ROTJ was my fave.

Because the entire existence of the ewoks was a ploy to sell toys to kids. The original script had the final battle over the Wookie homeworld, and that shit would have owned hardcore. Instead we got marketable teddy bears that thought C3P0 was a god.

(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/scust.png)

That would have been better, but they're not that detracting enough as to say,"Jedi sucks because ewoks"
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Steve Contra on December 21, 2015, 08:02:09 PM
The Ewok thing was a literal cash grab and they didn't really bother to do anything with the script to make it work.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: mormapope on December 21, 2015, 08:02:17 PM
The mistake is trying to take it seriously in the first place though  :doge

It's got serious moments but it's hardly a serious batch of films...

Funny enough I think that's why the prequels are as terrible as they are, just tryhard stupid shit...

To add to this, appreciating the craft of something versus worshiping something due to nostalgia/feels is the biggest difference between rational Star Wars fans and the manchildren lunatics.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on December 21, 2015, 08:04:29 PM
Funny enough I think that's why the prequels are as terrible as they are, just tryhard stupid shit...

the prequels should have been a really dry political stage play that is all set in space senate backrooms without a lightsabre or skywalker in sight. just jimmy smits, terence stamp and ian mcdiarmid having it out over embargoes and rammifications.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 21, 2015, 08:07:02 PM
Ewoks are definitely a cash grab. But I'm not sure why that makes Jedi inherently a bad movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Steve Youngblood on December 21, 2015, 08:15:08 PM
Various fanbases have way too much personal stock in their franchises/hobbies and any sort of negative response to them elicits an extremely defensive position rather than just "okay it wasn't your cup of tea."


when you go to the movies in a huge group you just look like an asshole telling people half your crew is buying shit in the lobby

Who buys anything in the lobby anymore? Legit question, I haven't done it in years. Shit is too expensive. Better to eat before going to the movie.

Beer and cocktails don't have that much mark up tbh.

I'm thankful that I have a local Movie Tavern. I guess I'm spoiled. No one has to leave because we use a thing to call the service to us. You can order beer and booze too, and they bring it to you. Place owns.


I don't have a Movie Tavern, but the local laser tag place (yes, laser tag) has a couple of bistro style theaters. Reserved seating, leather reclining chairs, full food and drink menu with orders brought to you. I refuse to see a movie in a regular theater ever again.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Shadow Mod on December 21, 2015, 08:22:02 PM
Last time I really cared about the theater was basically DK and Inception, really wanted to see in IMAX more for the sound quality than the pic, got tickets and got there early to ensure a decent seat. I can't imagine how much IMAX is now but I could see myself wanting to shell out for the Revenant because the cinematography looks intense.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 21, 2015, 08:25:16 PM
There's a Sundance Cinema pretty close to my house. 21+, reserved seating and beer/wine/cocktails. My wife and I go there for as many movies as possible.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on December 21, 2015, 08:26:46 PM
all the flagship screens had it in 3D here, which is somewhere behind watching it on my phone on the tube as far as preferential movie-going experience goes.

was surprised to see how many wanky indie cinemas sold themselves out to the lure of star wars though.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 21, 2015, 09:38:27 PM
Ewoks are the primary cause for why RotJ is a crap movie. There's good stuff in there, but the climactic battle of the series, which was supposed to be Wookiees until George realized he could sell more toys with teddy bears, is disrupted horribly by midget aliens using sticks and slingshots to take down a heavily armed and armored occupational force. There are cloying shots of their idyllic tribal existence both before and after the battle (despite hints that they are clearly wiling to eat other sentient beings, probably the only thing I enjoy about their alien-ness). It just felt like GL was not taking it seriously any longer, and was more interested in selling toys than storytelling.

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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 21, 2015, 09:49:03 PM
That guys art is so much better now. Good highlights and shadows.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 21, 2015, 09:54:16 PM
ROTJ is weak overall compared to the other two OT films, but its space battle scenes are among the best ever made:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPZigWFyK2o
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 21, 2015, 10:10:39 PM
How is ROTJ weaker the A New Hope? I maintain the first one is the weakest of the original trilogy.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 21, 2015, 10:32:01 PM
A New Hope is a simple, straight-up scifi adventure movie done well. It had a clear through line that it follows and rarely does it feel like it's deviating from that or adding in unnecessary things [special edition notwithstanding]. ROTJ, though, felt like it lacked focus at times and got distracted occasionally, along with relying more on dumb goofball humor for levity that was a hallmark of Lucas's later Star Wars movies [except ROTS] and the special edition of ANH. So, I just really feel like ROTJ, despite having some really great scenes, never quite came together into an amazing whole the way it should have.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on December 21, 2015, 10:36:22 PM
i pressed reply, went to have a shower and rumbler typed up my answer.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 21, 2015, 11:01:42 PM
A New Hope is a simple, straight-up scifi adventure movie done well. It had a clear through line that it follows and rarely does it feel like it's deviating from that or adding in unnecessary things [special edition notwithstanding]. ROTJ, though, felt like it lacked focus at times and got distracted occasionally, along with relying more on dumb goofball humor for levity that was a hallmark of Lucas's later Star Wars movies [except ROTS] and the special edition of ANH. So, I just really feel like ROTJ, despite having some really great scenes, never quite came together into an amazing whole the way it should have.

I feel like ANH is boring on rewatches. The worldbuilding in the first half gets boring after seeing it so many times. The Death Star, which is propped up as the biggest, baddest weapon in the universe has an open, very glaring flaw. It's dumb. Not only that, but the entire sequence isn't even impressive. The plan is simple to the point of boring. There is no strategy except "cover me!". The fighters pilots go through a single filed trench and Luke has to use the force to even aim. It's pretty lame. What's worse, Luke and Vader barely even confront one another despite the fact he sent people to kill his aunt and uncle, AND murdered his master in front of his eyes. This is compounded with the fact that Luke is annoying as hell in Ep 4 and Solo is the one that steals the show. Jedi is a poorly paced, badly edited, dated project, and we haven't even gotten into the actual bad scenes like the garbage compactor scene "3cpo WHERE ARE YOUUUU?!" It takes almost an hour for the party to get to get into space.

On the other hand, you've got Jedi. You've got a multi-faceted infiltration on Jabba's den within the first ten minutes. A Rancor. Force powers. The Sarlak Pit. Boba being treated like the complete jobber he is, the shit stain. Luke's development as a Jedi. You've got shocking revelations of Luke's family (Leia being his sister). The Death Star is operational but now the Empire aren't stupid anymore. Now, it has no glaring flaw on the outside. To make matters even more tense, they have to send a team INSIDE the core of the Death Star and blow it up from within, AND send a ground team to lower the buildings shields. The Battle of Endor is a long, epic battle that starts from the ground engaging with a Kurosawa-esque horse fight except on speeder bikes. The team actually uses strategy here too, again, unlike the original Death Star scene. The actual death star 2 fight is amazing. Then we get to the throne room. The throne room is the best scene in the entire series. It's really hard to top it and nothing in A New Hope really does. Luke dragging Darth Vader's dying body through the halls is an emotional highlight that that you never really get in ANH. The only REAL defining negative of Jedi are Ewoks but they're easy to ignore because they're cute as hell. Jedi has some low points, but it's made alright in that its highs aren't just "great scenes". They're really, really high marks that exceed even Empire. Jedi is a combination of world building and the fast paced action that the series is known for. ANH stumbles through the world building section, and its action set pieces never really rival Jedi's.

TLDR: A New Hope is overrated as fuck and I think it gets its reputation from being the first Star Wars movie. Throne room for life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRY5dl_oxvo
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on December 21, 2015, 11:21:02 PM
probably my favourite moment of TFA:
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 22, 2015, 12:06:34 AM
I don't even see that stuff as problems. I legitimately enjoy C3P0 telling their story to the Ewoks and Ewoks trying to burn them. Finally, C3P0 has his moment! I never found the Ewoks out of place, either. It always made sense to me, especially with knowledge that the technologically advanced don't always win battles. I've always thought it was cool how the Empire always flexed its technologically superior dick and they get beat out by a bunch of forest dwellers.

I do feel Han and Leia are just there, but honestly, they also had that problem in ESB in between Hoth and Cloud City. Ever since the Han and Leia relationship morphed in to some hideous love story, they've always kinda been there. Han's "admit it princess, you want this!" in ESB is beyond forced and excruciating. Thank fuck the new trilogy isn't going to have any of that awful shit.

I like A New Hope. I saw it three times in theaters when the Special Edition was released. I've seen it a lot, but there's no denying it's barebones and pretty simple compared to the rest of the good Star Wars films.

I agree with the idea that Star Wars should entertain you. I find ANH the least entertaining, and I find that its Hidden Fortress retelling are a deterrent more than anything. Especially since Hidden Fortress isn't even that great of a Kurosawa movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Shadow Mod on December 22, 2015, 12:10:46 AM
If there's a woman in something and she's attractive, chances are she's hooking up with someone or someones.  :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 22, 2015, 12:15:41 AM
If there's a woman in something and she's attractive, chances are she's hooking up with someone or someones.  :doge
So you're saying I have no chance with Captain Phasma?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Shadow Mod on December 22, 2015, 12:18:08 AM
If there's a woman in something and she's attractive, chances are she's hooking up with someone or someones.  :doge
So you're saying I have no chance with Captain Phasma?

I'm saying be ready for some corny and forced relationships  :yeshrug
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 22, 2015, 12:20:58 AM
If there's a woman in something and she's attractive, chances are she's hooking up with someone or someones.  :doge

Leia goes from a badass - although still a damsel - in ANH to a character whose main purpose is seeing which one of the boys is going to get. It's especially disappointing that after we find out she's a Skywalker we really don't see her use any force powers which is a complete waste.

Genuinely terrible. I hope the new trilogy has ZERO ROMANCE, especially between Rey and Finn. Then again, a black man hooking up with a white woman is enough to make neckbeard racists to cry, as if they had any chance. :rejoice
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 22, 2015, 12:23:20 AM
If there's a woman in something and she's attractive, chances are she's hooking up with someone or someones.  :doge
So you're saying I have no chance with Captain Phasma?

I'm saying be ready for some corny and forced relationships  :yeshrug

There's hope yet. Rey isn't a Mary Sue, and it flips many gender tropes on its head.

SPOILERS

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Seeing a woman protagonist with a lightsaber in a Star Wars movie made me legit emotional Mod
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:brazilcry
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Shadow Mod on December 22, 2015, 12:25:00 AM
She doesn't necessarily have to be a Mary Sue for her to get a man in the end, which pretty much always happens...
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 22, 2015, 12:25:18 AM
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That was so bad-ass. Just fucking phenomenal.

...What's "Dev"?
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 22, 2015, 12:27:13 AM
She doesn't necessarily have to be a Mary Sue for her to get a man in the end, which pretty much always happens...

She doesn't have to be a Mary Sue, but most genre fiction that puts female protagonists on screen, especially young adult fiction like Hunger Games very much make their main characters Mary Sue's.

The romance thing is a separate issue.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: mormapope on December 22, 2015, 12:27:31 AM
You're all wrong.

Rey is a lesbian.

The meltdowns will bring the world to its knees.

EDIT: That or have Finn be gay.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 22, 2015, 12:29:33 AM
You're all wrong.

Rey is a lesbian.

The meltdowns will bring the world to its knees.

No, man, I am totally thinking this is going to happen. It will be the best thing ever if it does.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 22, 2015, 12:31:00 AM
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Seeing a woman protagonist with a lightsaber in a Star Wars movie made me legit emotional Mod
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Typical human bigotry.

This is what Lucas was up against in the prequels.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 22, 2015, 12:31:19 AM
The funny thing about Rey is a lot of dudes are calling her a Mary Sue even though her development is no different than Luke's. If she were male, they wouldn't have any problems I bet. But because she's female,"I don't like a girl beating the bad guy like this" " she's good at too many things" and concern troll stuff which reeks of sexism.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Shadow Mod on December 22, 2015, 12:31:25 AM
Have Rey peace out in the Millennium Falcon with Captain Phasma
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 22, 2015, 12:33:35 AM
The funny thing about Rey is a lot of dudes are calling her a Mary Sue even though her development is no different than Luke's. If she were male, they wouldn't have any problems I bet. But because she's female,"I don't like a girl beating the bad guy like this" " she's good at too many things" and concern troll stuff which reeks of sexism.

I thought Mary-Sue was a term for both male or female viewer-participant/placeholder characters.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 22, 2015, 12:35:10 AM
The funny thing about Rey is a lot of dudes are calling her a Mary Sue even though her development is no different than Luke's. If she were male, they wouldn't have any problems I bet. But because she's female,"I don't like a girl beating the bad guy like this" " she's good at too many things" and concern troll stuff which reeks of sexism.

I thought Mary-Sue was a term for both male or female viewer-participant/placeholder characters.

It can be, but it's mostly used for female characters.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 22, 2015, 12:43:24 AM
I think Marty Sue is used for guys? Or Gary Sue?

Anyway, io9 demands people stop spreading nonsense that Rey is one:
http://io9.gizmodo.com/please-stop-spreading-this-nonsense-that-rey-from-star-1749134275
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 22, 2015, 12:56:34 AM
Wil Wheaton's character is pretty bad.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 22, 2015, 01:06:01 AM
I think Marty Sue is used for guys? Or Gary Sue?

Anyway, io9 demands people stop spreading nonsense that Rey is one:
http://io9.gizmodo.com/please-stop-spreading-this-nonsense-that-rey-from-star-1749134275

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What the “Mary Sue” thing shows—other than that people will find any craptastic excuse to tear down female characters—is that memes have a decay rate. After a while, they wear out and you gotta find new ones. Fan culture is good at putting its finger on that one thing that’s bugging us at this one specific moment, but then absolutely terrible at generalizing and extrapolating, until you reach the heat death of criticism: total loss of information. This is a failure mode of fan culture, and it’s something to watch out for.

:bow
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Shadow Mod on December 22, 2015, 01:07:33 AM
I think Marty Sue is used for guys? Or Gary Sue?

Anyway, io9 demands people stop spreading nonsense that Rey is one:
http://io9.gizmodo.com/please-stop-spreading-this-nonsense-that-rey-from-star-1749134275

Marty Stu
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on December 22, 2015, 01:48:16 AM
her development is pretty different to luke's. luke was just a whiny tagalong who everyone talked down to until he hit the death star. the sum total of his force abilities is swinging across a bridge and making a lucky shot on an exhaust port.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 22, 2015, 02:18:06 AM
Naw.You're comparing her to ANH Luke. It's pretty clear from the story she's familiar with the force, or has been previously trained. Likely by Luke. Also, Luke wasn't an experienced fighter. She is. There's a lot of things at work here, but she's more like early ESB Luke more than anything: a semi-trained fighter who has no idea what they're doing who is now embarking on an adventure as a Jedi Apprentice from the wise old sage.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 22, 2015, 02:22:38 AM
She's been trained in combat of some kind, but that io9 piece makes the argument that she's copying Kylo's moves combined with her other combat training, and I think there's a reasonable argument there.

Can we just go ahead and assume she's Luke's daughter too?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 22, 2015, 02:30:55 AM
I like the theory she's a Kenobi. Her being Luke's daughter is too obvious and feels like a red herring.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Shadow Mod on December 22, 2015, 02:34:06 AM
Kenobi from the OT right, Kenobi from the prequels would definitely not sex anyone... :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 22, 2015, 02:41:00 AM
Kenobi from the OT right, Kenobi from the prequels would definitely not sex anyone... :doge
What do you think he was doing during all those years in self-exile between the PT and OT?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 22, 2015, 02:41:11 AM
There's 19 years between Sith and New Hope. Plenty of time to fuck, get a woman pregnant, especially if your religion is all but died out. No reason to be a celebate catholic priest if there are only two other Catholic Priests in the galaxy.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 22, 2015, 02:45:09 AM
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TFA Visual Dictionary says "19-year-old Rey"
aww couldn't be Kenobi's

Kylo is a celebration baby though:
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Kylo Ren's BFF ‏@jimwade Dec 19
Hey @pablohidalgo do we have any idea what Kylo's age is in TFA? Around 30?

Pablo Hidalgo @pablohidalgo
@jimwade around there. 29-30.
:lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 22, 2015, 02:49:12 AM
Could be Kenobi's granddaughter, but my money is on Luke's daughter.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 22, 2015, 03:05:40 AM
Yeah I think she's Kenobi's grand kid. Not his actual kid.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 22, 2015, 03:11:40 AM
or or or... SHE COULD BE A VIRGIN MIDICHLORIAN BIRTH YOU GUYS!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 22, 2015, 03:20:12 AM
Put the "Christ" back in Star Wars!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 22, 2015, 04:03:38 AM
or or or... SHE COULD BE A VIRGIN MIDICHLORIAN BIRTH YOU GUYS!

Going rumor is Snoke is Darth Plagueis so...

#ITSALLCONNECTED

#POETRY
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: mormapope on December 22, 2015, 04:09:14 AM
Has anyone in the Yoda creature species been a sith lord?

Seeing a little evil bro with sith attire and a badass mask would be really fucking cool.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 22, 2015, 04:14:08 AM
Yoda's species was never even supposed to be revealed in the EU per Lucas' edict.

I don't know if there were even any appearances of non-Yoda of his species.
Going rumor is Snoke is Darth Plagueis so...

#ITSALLCONNECTED

#POETRY
Wasn't Palpatine lying about his power though?

Palpatine is my favorite part of the Prequel Trilogy despite being a human. I wonder if there's a supercut of just all his scenes.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: G The Resurrected on December 22, 2015, 06:50:49 AM
I don't know if there were even any appearances of non-Yoda of his species.

(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/es.starwars/images/5/56/Yaddle.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110703095213)

 :yuck

(http://i.imgur.com/D2F0kBi.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on December 22, 2015, 07:55:19 AM
To confirm something said earlier I just read some guy claiming the film is antiwhite and promoting dirty interracialism.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 22, 2015, 08:08:45 AM
To confirm something said earlier I just read some guy claiming the film is antiwhite and promoting dirty interracialism.

Link
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on December 22, 2015, 08:10:02 AM
In french so of limited use here. Expect english worded delusions to be readily available soon.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on December 22, 2015, 09:24:47 AM
or or or... SHE COULD BE A VIRGIN MIDICHLORIAN BIRTH YOU GUYS!

midichlorian is a problematic word. please use the phrase "force sensitivity" now, shitlord.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Rufus on December 22, 2015, 10:21:51 AM
To confirm something said earlier I just read some guy claiming the film is antiwhite and promoting dirty interracialism.
Is that the one where they point to her staff as an analogy for black cock?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 22, 2015, 10:28:32 AM
To confirm something said earlier I just read some guy claiming the film is antiwhite and promoting dirty interracialism.
Is that the one where they point to her staff as an analogy for black cock?

:hitler
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Rufus on December 22, 2015, 11:13:22 AM
To confirm something said earlier I just read some guy claiming the film is antiwhite and promoting dirty interracialism.
Is that the one where they point to her staff as an analogy for black cock?

:hitler
I can't find the hilarious conspiracy.jpgs any more. :goty2 Only thing I can find are references to the anti-white accusations on Twitter and assorted racist blog I won't link to.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 22, 2015, 11:14:16 AM
So is this whole thing tied to some weird phallic inferiority complex?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Rufus on December 22, 2015, 11:17:36 AM
Google "white genocide" and "anti-white" in relation to Star Wars.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 22, 2015, 11:36:43 AM
I'm already a taco. You're a Lakers fan. I win.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 22, 2015, 12:18:19 PM
The thing that stuck out the most for me in the movie is how it tells a story about how a group of kids (basically) are saddled with the drama and baggage left over from their parents and constantly realize they are mostly ill equipped with dealing with it.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mupepe on December 22, 2015, 12:54:38 PM
The thing that stuck out the most for me in the movie is how it tells a story about how a group of kids (basically) are saddled with the drama and baggage left over from their parents and constantly realize they are mostly ill equipped with dealing with it.
A libertarian tale of revolt that's a metaphor for the national debt.  Makes sense.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 22, 2015, 01:15:06 PM
Since everybody else posted their Star Wars rankings earlier:

Empire Strikes Back > The Force Awakens > A New Hope > Return of the Jedi >>> Revenge of the Sith > The Phantom Menace > Holiday Special >>>>>>>>>> Attack of the Clones

Need to watch The Force Awakens at least a few more times, though.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 22, 2015, 01:16:56 PM
Empires Strikes Back > Return of the Jedi > The Force Awakens > A New Hope > the Ewok movies > everything else
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 22, 2015, 01:22:56 PM
TFA is only better than ANH if you don't adjust for effects inflation.

ANH blows TFA away from a storytelling perspective.

That's just my gut reaction after watching it once on the big screen. Like I said, I'll need to watch it a few more times before I can give it a truly accurate ranking. :yeshrug
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 22, 2015, 01:23:00 PM
TFA blows ANH away in character interaction (and development). So what?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on December 22, 2015, 06:33:46 PM
depends how you like your character interaction. classical storytelling or joss whedon quip jabbering.

parsecs!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Boogie on December 22, 2015, 06:46:41 PM
Empire>ANH>=Jedi>TFA.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Positive Touch on December 22, 2015, 06:52:23 PM
depends how you like your character interaction. classical storytelling or joss whedon quip jabbering.

parsecs!

"classical storytelling" good lord be more butthurt
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: helios on December 22, 2015, 07:44:28 PM
I wasn't really invested in the Rey and Finn characters. I didn't care about them all that much. Overall the movie is a solid C.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 22, 2015, 07:52:19 PM
Anyway all. A moment please

(https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_Solo#/media/File%3AHanSolo.jpg)


RIP in peace my nicca....


:stahp
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on December 22, 2015, 08:37:38 PM
decent article if you can get past the inflammatory title, sums up a lot of my issues: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-force-awakens-is-the-least-interesting-star-wars-yet

Quote
Lucas was derided and mocked for the new elements he introduced into his own saga in the prequels—but it was ultimately his lack of skill with directing, something he’s well aware of himself—that doomed those films. Without Lucas in the room, Abrams remade Star Wars. And that’s bad news for a sci-fi market that’s cozily embracing self-referentiality, sequel madness, and shared universe economies of scale.

spoilers obviously.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 22, 2015, 08:40:20 PM
 ::)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 22, 2015, 10:00:45 PM
The prequels are 100% garbage. Not sure why people point to them as anything other.

Well, maybe this, which came up in a discussion the other day with someone: this movie (TFA) feels "small" in comparison to the original trilogy, and even the prequels. It doesn't really feel like a grand, galaxy spanning adventure. I know this is a minor quibble, but the starkiller blast that everyone sees from planetside would mean that the planets blown up were in the same system as the planet Maz's cantina is on.

Anyway, that's a specific nitpick, but his point was that it doesn't seem like a galaxy romping adventure. Everything happens very quickly and without much sense of scale. I feel those are valid criticisms. Pointing to the prequels to make that point, though...
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 22, 2015, 10:29:44 PM
I think what gives off that feeling is the amount of planet hopping. They go from Jakku to Maz's planet to the Star Killer planet. But really this is no different past movies. In Empire, Luke goes from Hoth to Dagobah to Bespin. Luke finds out his friends are going to be in trouble and ends up there in no time flat and barely just missed Han being carbonated. In Jedi, he says he'll meet up the Rebel fleet after heading to Dagobah. He goes to Yoda, talks to Yoda as he died, and gets to the Rebel Death Star mission briefing before it even ends.

The Star Wars universe has never felt large. And TFA's Galaxy feels same in scope as any other Star Wars movie. It's a valid criticism but it's a criticism that also can be applied to the original trilogy. Star Wars, for all of its strengths has never felt large or epic outside of the Battle of Endor/Death Star II but it's not something you're going to think about as a kid. "Oh hey, Luke went to Dagobah and back in 30 minutes, the concept of time in these movies is stupid" isn't something you're thinking when you're 11 years and watching it for the first time, but it sure will be when you're in your thirties and much more critical and aware.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 22, 2015, 11:06:14 PM
Star Wars starts with two droids escaping a freighter: their goal, find Obi wan. The escape pods  just happen to  land on Tatooine, where Obi Wan lives. Where they just happen to be bought by Luke. Who just happens to know Obi Wan. Who just happens to be a former Jedi Knight and best friends with Luke's father. But not before just accidentally happening upon the Death Star in search for the princess who just happens to be on it. Who just happens to be Luke's sister, as Obi Wan squares off in a dual with Darth Vader, who just happens to be Luke's father.

Yet this is a large universe? Since when? This is what I meant when I said it feels like a lot of Star Wars fans watch these movies with really, really weird perspectives of expectations on a space movie filled with destiny and coincidences.

Star Wars has always been small and convenient as fuck. This isn't Legend of the Galactic Heroes. Have most Star Wars fans even seen Hidden Fortress? One coincidence after the next. Two war vets randomly find gold and a legendary samurai and a princess and caught up in a tale of death and gold and adventure.

Star Wars? Large and epic? Since when? :confused:
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Shadow Mod on December 22, 2015, 11:08:36 PM
The prequels issues all stemmed from a story that was literally "Palpatine creates a crisis and plays both sides to get shit he wants" but written in the most horribly convoluted and boring way possible.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mandark on December 22, 2015, 11:12:15 PM
Watched ANH recently after not having seen it for years, and it was striking how few ships were involved in the assault on the Death Star.  That was some season 1 Game of Thrones shit.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 22, 2015, 11:14:53 PM
Watched ANH recently after not having seen it for years, and it was striking how few ships were involved in the assault on the Death Star.  That was some season 1 Game of Thrones shit.

Yeah it's shocking. Then watch the Death Star II battle. It's night and day how the tech improved in a few short years.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 22, 2015, 11:32:26 PM
Watched ANH recently after not having seen it for years, and it was striking how few ships were involved in the assault on the Death Star.  That was some season 1 Game of Thrones shit.

It's pretty crazy to consider that people were completely blown away by those scenes in 1977, and that nothing else in Hollywood had even come close.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 22, 2015, 11:38:00 PM
https://twitter.com/kylor3n

Emo Kylo Ren twitter. Gold (or possibly "the new black").
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Steve Youngblood on December 22, 2015, 11:47:02 PM
Watched ANH recently after not having seen it for years, and it was striking how few ships were involved in the assault on the Death Star.  That was some season 1 Game of Thrones shit.

Heh. I actually had the same reaction. What was so surprising about it was not that special effects limitations back then dictated that you'd only see so many ships, but that I believe the empire acknowledges that the rebels are attacking with only 30 ships or something.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: demi on December 23, 2015, 12:52:40 AM
This movie was 75% ass and 25% kickass
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: demi on December 23, 2015, 01:02:06 AM
I'm just gonna go play Jedi Knight trilogy instead. Kyle Katarn >
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: pilonv1 on December 23, 2015, 07:13:56 AM
SPOILER: HAN DIES

spoiler (click to show/hide)
In The Fast & The Furious movies.

:heyman
[close]

Bork prophet total
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on December 23, 2015, 08:46:07 AM
This movie was 75% ass and 25% kickass

haters gonna hate.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on December 23, 2015, 09:33:32 AM
This new timeline with a distinguished mentally-challenged New Republic which was so stupid it almost karmically deserved to get blown up makes me miss Timothy Zahn's version of this universe... though admittedly other authors wrecked it beyond all hope by the timeframe comparable to these movies.

i think the difference is that timothy zahn is a writer, not a pool of writers who have to send every idea up the line to get okay-ed by mickey mouse.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 23, 2015, 11:57:39 AM
Watched it last night. I thought it was a good entertaining romp. I didn't think it was great or as good as the original 2 films mainly because of the lack of new things. But its easily on par with jedi and of course its better than all the shitty prequels. My complaints would be that it occasionally leans on nostalgia too much as a crutch and that its predictable. But that second complaint exists for 99% of films.

 I liked the new cast especially John Boyega who gave the movie a sense of fun. I liked the tone of the movie which felt more appropriate and actually like Star Wars once again unlike those awful prequels. I think this movie turned out as well as could be expected given what they were trying to achieve and the stink of the last 3 films. I think it gives hope to the franchise which it was lacking. 
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mupepe on December 23, 2015, 01:30:43 PM
Watched it last night. I thought it was a good entertaining romp. I didn't think it was great or as good as the original 2 films mainly because of the lack of new things. But its easily on par with jedi and of course its better than all the shitty prequels. My complaints would be that it occasionally leans on nostalgia too much as a crutch and that its predictable. But that second complaint exists for 99% of films.

 I liked the new cast especially John Boyega who gave the movie a sense of fun. I liked the tone of the movie which felt more appropriate and actually like Star Wars once again unlike those awful prequels. I think this movie turned out as well as could be expected given what they were trying to achieve and the stink of the last 3 films. I think it gives hope to the franchise which it was lacking.
Would you say that it... gives A New Hope to the Return of the Jedi franchise in which a certain Empire Strikes Back??

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bork on December 23, 2015, 01:40:06 PM
SPOILER: HAN DIES

spoiler (click to show/hide)
In The Fast & The Furious movies.

:heyman
[close]

Bork prophet total

 :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 23, 2015, 01:48:39 PM
Watched it last night. I thought it was a good entertaining romp. I didn't think it was great or as good as the original 2 films mainly because of the lack of new things. But its easily on par with jedi and of course its better than all the shitty prequels. My complaints would be that it occasionally leans on nostalgia too much as a crutch and that its predictable. But that second complaint exists for 99% of films.

 I liked the new cast especially John Boyega who gave the movie a sense of fun. I liked the tone of the movie which felt more appropriate and actually like Star Wars once again unlike those awful prequels. I think this movie turned out as well as could be expected given what they were trying to achieve and the stink of the last 3 films. I think it gives hope to the franchise which it was lacking.
Would you say that it... gives A New Hope to the Return of the Jedi franchise in which a certain Empire Strikes Back??

Personally, I could go either way.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mupepe on December 23, 2015, 01:56:47 PM
Watched it last night. I thought it was a good entertaining romp. I didn't think it was great or as good as the original 2 films mainly because of the lack of new things. But its easily on par with jedi and of course its better than all the shitty prequels. My complaints would be that it occasionally leans on nostalgia too much as a crutch and that its predictable. But that second complaint exists for 99% of films.

 I liked the new cast especially John Boyega who gave the movie a sense of fun. I liked the tone of the movie which felt more appropriate and actually like Star Wars once again unlike those awful prequels. I think this movie turned out as well as could be expected given what they were trying to achieve and the stink of the last 3 films. I think it gives hope to the franchise which it was lacking.
Would you say that it... gives A New Hope to the Return of the Jedi franchise in which a certain Empire Strikes Back??

Personally, I could go either way.
Me too ;)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 23, 2015, 02:04:15 PM
Been re watching the Plinkett reviews and man, it's shocking to me how much of the flaws and mind boggling decisions weren't present here. The flaws are different but small compared to what happened before and the good the movie does do.

I understand Snorenado and others not being sure about the fanservice. I disagree but it isn't something I don't see some coming away with. But I do appreciate that we can all agree that it's a good movie. Which I'm sure is all we wanted in the first place.

I think its pretty clear the main goal here was to make Star Wars likable again. The prequels are so unlikable and I mean not just in a poorly directed way but in a tonal shift from the original movies that the whole thing needed to be rehabbed. And the clearest and easiest inspiration was to go back to the source material. I don't necessarily think as a long term game plan just sort of rehashing the original movies is a good creative strategy but for this first one it was probably essential.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 23, 2015, 02:15:12 PM
The Force Awakens was put in a pretty tight spot, really. It had to salvage the reputation of the franchise, introduce a new generation of fans to the Star Wars universe, and allay the fears of long-time Star Wars fans that they were actually going to get a new Star Wars movie that respected its own heritage. That's a tough task, and a balancing act, but I think it handled all three of those things really well and gives the franchise a very solid foundation for the next two movies to build on.

If TFA ends up being the worst of the new Star Wars movies, then we're in for a great time at the movies.

Oh, and then there's the off-year Star Wars movies to consider. With a bit more leeway to work with and dealing with largely new characters and situations, I think they could actually end up being more interesting than the new mainline movies. So, I'm really looking forward to how those go.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 23, 2015, 03:08:49 PM
I think TFA is in a damned if you do, damned if you don't gray area. I think what they did was a success and completely understood why they did it. I don't agree on rehashing the death star but hey, I understand why they'd want to do it. If they drifted too far off from the star wars formula, people would question whether or not it's actually star wars. if they made the movie as close to the originals as possible, people would still bitch that it's too similar. I think that they did a good job of resetting the table and the tone of what makes Star Wars "Star Wars" even with the unnecessary nostalgia, to hopefully allow for some more forward and different interpretations of the franchise in future sequels. Over reliance on the past movies isn't a good long term plan, but when trying to coax people into getting back into a franchise that was previously fatigued to death by a shit trilogy? I'd say go all out with as much back references as the film allows.

One thing is for sure: MOST of us are excited for more Star Wars.

Mission accomplished?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 23, 2015, 03:13:12 PM
Been re watching the Plinkett reviews and man, it's shocking to me how much of the flaws and mind boggling decisions weren't present here. The flaws are different but small compared to what happened before and the good the movie does do.

I understand Snorenado and others not being sure about the fanservice. I disagree but it isn't something I don't see some coming away with. But I do appreciate that we can all agree that it's a good movie. Which I'm sure is all we wanted in the first place.

I rewatched a Plinkett review and he does a good job accentuating how the originals had a lot of visual storytelling with no dialogue, contrasted with how fucking padded and boring the prequel trilogy is in regards to relaying information to viewers. The new movie is surprisingly adept at visual storytelling.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 23, 2015, 03:38:16 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/comic-riffs/wp/2015/12/22/why-j-j-abrams-now-regrets-deboarding-the-star-wars-chair-before-episode-viii/

Been re watching the Plinkett reviews and man, it's shocking to me how much of the flaws and mind boggling decisions weren't present here. The flaws are different but small compared to what happened before and the good the movie does do.

I understand Snorenado and others not being sure about the fanservice. I disagree but it isn't something I don't see some coming away with. But I do appreciate that we can all agree that it's a good movie. Which I'm sure is all we wanted in the first place.

Great discussion on reddit talking about the dialogue, which factors into the "this shits on the prequel trilogy" thing:

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/3xy9xc/spoilers_a_small_and_overlooked_line/

Especially this quote:

Quote
Reminds me of one of the interviews with JJ where he talked about Kasdan influencing his writing on the film. Kasdan would be telling him, "You don't have to say that! Just let the characters be" or something similar to that. You can definitely tell how they got the most out of minimal dialogue in certain areas.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on December 23, 2015, 05:08:42 PM
Seeing it tonight.

Even though I know the big spoiler already. Fucking internet, man.  :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 23, 2015, 05:11:28 PM
I mean I would rather not know than know going in but in reality its telegraphed pretty easily and early. I would say knowing that won't really ruin your enjoyment of the flick.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: nachobro on December 23, 2015, 05:18:17 PM
yeah i got spoiled on that before i saw the movie and it didn't affect my enjoyment at all. still a good movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Boogie on December 23, 2015, 09:03:27 PM
https://twitter.com/kylor3n
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 23, 2015, 09:13:32 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/8Kx4A07.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 23, 2015, 09:17:17 PM
named traitor? I need to see this. Read a lot of spoilers because foreknowledge doesn't ruin entertainment for me.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: demi on December 24, 2015, 12:10:36 AM
Doesnt that guy get shot in the back by bitchmade Solo? Not really valiant.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on December 24, 2015, 12:25:58 AM
Holy-Fucking-Shit. Star Wars is back, baby!  :rejoice

A lot of "It's poetry. It rhymes." moments but overall I was thoroughly entertained.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: mormapope on December 24, 2015, 02:48:25 AM
I'm immediately going to get shit on for this, but Han Solo is one of my least favorite characters in the original trilogy.

I don't really care for a suave, scoundrel type of person that doesn't actually do much scoundrel stuff on screen. People drool over how "badass" and cool he is, but in a galaxy or story universe that revolves around priests using force powers against each other, along with those same priests wielding glowing death sticks, hes so small time it hurts.

I also think Harrison Ford is a boring, wooden turd when it comes to acting career as a whole. Maybe it could be just that. Harrison Ford has very little range when it comes to acting.

I've said this to friends in the past, replace every role Harrison Ford had with Jack Nicholson. Jack as Han Solo? :bow2
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 24, 2015, 02:54:16 AM
:foxx
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: mormapope on December 24, 2015, 02:58:18 AM
Harrison Ford has been making that face for the last 15 years.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mandark on December 24, 2015, 02:59:06 AM
If you're going to have characters talking about a code of space-bushido and a mystical force that flows through life and the universe, binding it all together, it's good to have a character taking the piss out of it a bit, or it can get self-serious in a hurry.

One of the billion problems with the prequels was having the protagonists be almost exclusively Jedi.  To continue my streak of GoT comparisons, it's like only having Starks to root for.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: mormapope on December 24, 2015, 03:01:34 AM
If you're going to have characters talking about a code of space-bushido and a mystical force that flows through life and the universe, binding it all together, it's good to have a character taking the piss out of it a bit, or it can get self-serious in a hurry.

One of the billion problems with the prequels was having the protagonists be almost exclusively Jedi.

Very true, but I've never been into Han's character at all. If I could replace Han/Harrison Ford with Lando/Billy Dee Williams taking his place, I would in a heartbeat.

I think I just hate Harrison Ford.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: mormapope on December 24, 2015, 04:22:59 AM
Jack as Deckard  :lawd

He was considered for that role as well, think he turned it down. Jack was also considered for Han Solo it turns out.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 24, 2015, 08:40:44 AM
Indy > Han

Han is really only cool in ANH. The only cool thing Han does in the rest of the series is ditch the star destroyer by sticking to the back and going out with the trash.

While Han isn't a Jedi, the "he doesn't believe in the force" thing is only ever brought up in ANH. After that, his sole reason for existence is getting into Leia's pants or saving Luke.

Han in TFA was the best Han yet because it factored heavily in to his character development from New Hope. Going from "none of it's true" to "it's true, all of it" in the same room is pretty full circle.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 24, 2015, 09:45:59 AM
The ROTJ version of Han was easily the worst. Somehow the carbonite freezing turned him into a comic relief character.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 24, 2015, 11:16:13 AM
Honestly at this point if Han had died in ROTJ, I'm not sure it would b resonant. As said, he's kind of lost in the shuffle and I don't think it would have given the character a nice arc. I think his story in TFA gives the character the arc he needed and deserved.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 24, 2015, 11:36:52 AM
I've been thinking about the young Han Solo movie that Disney has coming up in 2018 and I can think of a few ways that could turn out good, or at least entertaining. I'd really like for it to really explore the dark underbelly of the Star Wars universe that we've really only had a glimpse of so far: bounty hunters, rough and tumble outpost cantinas, crime lords, and smuggling. There's definitely a lot of room to play around with some cool locations and weird characters, maybe have it either be some sort of swashbuckling high-seas pirate adventure set in space or a scifi heist movie. Hopefully they don't try to play it really safe and have it be just some straight-forward, a-to-b checklist of Han's life story, though I kinda think that's exactly what they'll do.

Edit: But with Phil Lord and Christopher Miller directing, I have some hope.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 24, 2015, 12:02:52 PM
Honestly, I want an Obi Wan movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 24, 2015, 01:28:16 PM
Honestly, I want an Obi Wan movie.

Personally I'd like to see a Darth Sidious/Darth Plagueis arc.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Boogie on December 24, 2015, 01:54:25 PM
I want a proper fucking Rogue Squadron movie.

Though maybe I should hold out and see if Rogue One scratches that itch for me.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: mormapope on December 24, 2015, 02:57:15 PM
I want a Star Wars movie that doesn't take place in the same timeframe as the prequels and original movies. Or, better yet, adapt the first two KOTOR games into movies, and then have a third episode released that finishes that story. Fuck EA and Bioware for hiding the story in a shitty WoW clone.


Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 24, 2015, 03:07:25 PM
What's the point of adapting KOTOR and distancing from the original movies when KOTOR still takes place in a Republic with Jedi being pretty much extinct?  Mandolorian Wars are pretty much no different than what we're dealing with now, just different characters and they have shit Bioware armor. There's even a Death Star esque weapon in the Star Forge.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 24, 2015, 04:17:39 PM
There's way more Jedi in the KOTOR games than either the OG (eps 4-6) trilogy or this new one.

Personally, I would like to see them turn the first KOTOR game into a trilogy- it would work perfectly. Obviously the 2nd game has a better story but I think Revan's character arc from the first would make for better movies.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 24, 2015, 06:08:05 PM
It was the 70s, Han Solo was just space Jack Tripper.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 24, 2015, 07:48:31 PM
There's way more Jedi in the KOTOR games than either the OG (eps 4-6) trilogy or this new one.

Personally, I would like to see them turn the first KOTOR game into a trilogy- it would work perfectly. Obviously the 2nd game has a better story but I think Revan's character arc from the first would make for better movies.

I'm not sure why more Jedi is a positive considering the prequels' overuse of them. Then again, KOTOR did that right.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: mormapope on December 24, 2015, 07:57:23 PM
I think a three episode format could work for KOTOR movies depending on what would be cut or added. The Pegasus mining facility part of KOTOR 2 and the space city stuff right after would have to be cut down significantly. The last planet in KOTOR would have to be cut or reworked completely (helping one tribe or the other fuck each other over was weird to begin with given the story context).

The third episode would have to bring Revan and The Exile together, fighting some sort of weird and unseen force driven thing that Kreia described at length. While these movies will never happen, I think the stories in both KOTOR 1 & 2 would be great movies, with a third movie bringing it home.

KOTOR 1 and 2 have a great mix of jedi and non jedi. Jolee is the best jedi character from KOTOR 1, Bastilla is okay, cat woman had no depth. Mission and the wookie are okay, Carth was cool.

KOTOR 2 has a stronger cast. Kreia is a very ambivalent mentor, Atton hides a fucked up history, Bao Dur shares a fucked up history with the Exile. Forgot the other characters since I haven't played it in a long time, but they were better than KOTOR 1's characters, except for Jolee. 
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 24, 2015, 09:13:51 PM
KOTOR 1 could be split into 3 movies, easily.

Episode 1: amnesia Revan wakes up on the ship, has to escape with Carth, then rescue Bastilla. Rest of the movie is training on Dantooine and then discovering the existence of the Star Forge in the ruins.

Episode 2: galaxy spanning scavenger hunt, with stops on Manaan, Kashyyk, and Tatooine to discover clues about the Star Forge. Movie ends with revelation of Revan's true identity.

Episode 3: Korriban and the Star Forge. Revan chooses to save the galaxy and is redeemed, flies off into uncharted space at the end if you want to do more KOTOR movies.

Done-ski.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: mormapope on December 24, 2015, 09:21:32 PM
That would work.

The Star Forge would definitely have to be demonstrated better. At the end of KOTOR 1. Darth Malak laughs manically as he unleashes the star forge on the player. Turns out it can make a lot of droids quickly, which you can use disable/destroy droid or force lightning on, annihilating the room in seconds  :lol

He should've created androids that wield lightsabers and rocket launchers, anything other than standard battle droids.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 24, 2015, 09:50:14 PM
only if revan is a black woman. that's canon. *folds arms*
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 24, 2015, 09:51:32 PM
Jack Nicholson is my favorite actor of all time, but nah. Love the guy but don't really want to see him in every role, and he wouldn't have worked out as Indy or Han IMO.

Harrison Ford is why those characters are as popular as they are, he did a great job making them what they are and I wouldn't have it any different.

Indy > Han btw.
I don't know why I just thought of this, but that-era's Chevy Chase would have also been a good choice for Han Solo. Bruce Dern, too.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 24, 2015, 09:53:27 PM
Honestly, I want an Obi Wan movie.

You had it; it was AotC, and it sucked. ;-)

But with the timeline established, we can always have Obi-Wan's adventures on Tattooine, watching Luke grow from afar, sneaking into Mos Eisley trying to corner the few bits of human trim that come walking through the cantina's doors, eventually getting a woman pregnant, and then convincing everyone to call the planet "Jakku."
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 24, 2015, 10:03:03 PM
I just want Disney to remake the Prequel Trilogy.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 24, 2015, 10:34:03 PM
Jack Nicholson is my favorite actor of all time, but nah. Love the guy but don't really want to see him in every role, and he wouldn't have worked out as Indy or Han IMO.

Harrison Ford is why those characters are as popular as they are, he did a great job making them what they are and I wouldn't have it any different.

Indy > Han btw.
I don't know why I just thought of this, but that-era's Chevy Chase would have also been a good choice for Han Solo. Bruce Dern, too.

No and hell no.

Only other legit option for Han Solo would have been Tom Selleck and it would have to be taken an entirely different direction. He would have worked but he wouldn't have worked out like Ford did.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 24, 2015, 10:36:09 PM
And it wasn't just me who thought that on other Ford roles;


http://www.businessinsider.com/george-lucas-wanted-tom-selleck-to-play-indiana-jones-2014-5
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 24, 2015, 10:36:52 PM
Jack Nicholson is my favorite actor of all time, but nah. Love the guy but don't really want to see him in every role, and he wouldn't have worked out as Indy or Han IMO.

Harrison Ford is why those characters are as popular as they are, he did a great job making them what they are and I wouldn't have it any different.

Indy > Han btw.
I don't know why I just thought of this, but that-era's Chevy Chase would have also been a good choice for Han Solo. Bruce Dern, too.

No and hell no.

Only other legit option for Han Solo would have been Tom Selleck and it would have to be taken an entirely different direction. He would have worked but he wouldn't have worked out like Ford did.

Burt Reynolds, tho
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 24, 2015, 10:40:06 PM
No Snore, Tom Selleck

(https://chrishallamworldview.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/tom-selleck.jpeg?w=600&h=801)

And if we were to recast today I'd say probably Denzel would have been the best choice.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 24, 2015, 10:40:56 PM
denzen as han :drool
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 24, 2015, 10:43:19 PM
denzen as han :drool

And he would have worked, too

(http://filmschoolrejects.com/images/denzel.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 24, 2015, 10:57:16 PM
KOTOR 1 could be split into 3 movies, easily.

Episode 1: amnesia Revan wakes up on the ship, has to escape with Carth, then rescue Bastilla. Rest of the movie is training on Dantooine and then discovering the existence of the Star Forge in the ruins.

Episode 2: galaxy spanning scavenger hunt, with stops on Manaan, Kashyyk, and Tatooine to discover clues about the Star Forge. Movie ends with revelation of Revan's true identity.

Episode 3: Korriban and the Star Forge. Revan chooses to save the galaxy and is redeemed, flies off into uncharted space at the end if you want to do more KOTOR movies.

Done-ski.

Sounds like three acts of one movie to me. :yeshrug

We need more self-contained shit, not less.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 24, 2015, 11:17:42 PM
I've been thinking about the young Han Solo movie that Disney has coming up in 2018 and I can think of a few ways that could turn out good, or at least entertaining. I'd really like for it to really explore the dark underbelly of the Star Wars universe that we've really only had a glimpse of so far: bounty hunters, rough and tumble outpost cantinas, crime lords, and smuggling. There's definitely a lot of room to play around with some cool locations and weird characters, maybe have it either be some sort of swashbuckling high-seas pirate adventure set in space or a scifi heist movie. Hopefully they don't try to play it really safe and have it be just some straight-forward, a-to-b checklist of Han's life story, though I kinda think that's exactly what they'll do.

Edit: But with Phil Lord and Christopher Miller directing, I have some hope.
The funny thing is that in the first movie they do a bunch of implying that Han isn't necessarily to be trusted, only cares about the skrilla and he's only a temporary ally because that's no moon. Then suddenly he's totally on board with the rebellion, while continuously saying he's only around until [X]. Even with the hamfisted Leia subplot.

And for all the discussion of that seedy underbelly we get Vader in a room with a bunch of bounty hunters and then Jabba's palace. Most of the rest of those type of characters only got any fleshing in the EU. (Actually, we got to see a bit more of it in the prequels in II. When they show the lower seedy sections of Coruscant.)

A Han movie does need to be like a heist double-crossing everybody type deal gone bad film written first. Then you splash Star Wars and Han over the top.

Could even do something ala Ocean's Eleven (I've always wanted sequels to that remake) and like fifty thousand other films where they don't reveal Han and Chewie's gambit until the end where they had the whole thing under control after everything seemingly to go wrong for the previous half hour. Since you have to make Han a kind of god for a lot of the fans.

Also, he can shoot somebody right away in like the first two minutes of the film. (And ideally, have it backfire by having him kill someone that would have prevented the entire deal from having gone wrong, etc.)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 24, 2015, 11:23:49 PM
I hate like 95% of Smokin' Aces but you could easily do something of that design with all the various Star Wars bounty hunters and it'd probably do pretty well.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 25, 2015, 12:38:45 AM
I've been thinking about the young Han Solo movie that Disney has coming up in 2018 and I can think of a few ways that could turn out good, or at least entertaining. I'd really like for it to really explore the dark underbelly of the Star Wars universe that we've really only had a glimpse of so far: bounty hunters, rough and tumble outpost cantinas, crime lords, and smuggling. There's definitely a lot of room to play around with some cool locations and weird characters, maybe have it either be some sort of swashbuckling high-seas pirate adventure set in space or a scifi heist movie. Hopefully they don't try to play it really safe and have it be just some straight-forward, a-to-b checklist of Han's life story, though I kinda think that's exactly what they'll do.

Edit: But with Phil Lord and Christopher Miller directing, I have some hope.
The funny thing is that in the first movie they do a bunch of implying that Han isn't necessarily to be trusted, only cares about the skrilla and he's only a temporary ally because that's no moon. Then suddenly he's totally on board with the rebellion, while continuously saying he's only around until [X]. Even with the hamfisted Leia subplot.

Yeah, this is why I was talking about earlier. It's pretty clear that he was supposed to only be in the first one Harrison ended up knocking it out of the park to the point where people wanted him back in the sequel. So in the sequel they have him constantly threatening to leave but never really does.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 25, 2015, 12:46:24 AM
KOTOR 1 could be split into 3 movies, easily.

Episode 1: amnesia Revan wakes up on the ship, has to escape with Carth, then rescue Bastilla. Rest of the movie is training on Dantooine and then discovering the existence of the Star Forge in the ruins.

Episode 2: galaxy spanning scavenger hunt, with stops on Manaan, Kashyyk, and Tatooine to discover clues about the Star Forge. Movie ends with revelation of Revan's true identity.

Episode 3: Korriban and the Star Forge. Revan chooses to save the galaxy and is redeemed, flies off into uncharted space at the end if you want to do more KOTOR movies.

Done-ski.

Sounds like three acts of one movie to me. :yeshrug

We need more self-contained shit, not less.

As someone that has made movies before, you should know better.

Wait, of course. You haven't actually played these games, because they're not made by Nintendo, so you have no clue how story dense they are. Let's just say we're not talking Super Mario RPG here, now run along. The adults are talking.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 25, 2015, 12:48:11 AM
I'd watch a Super Mario RPG based movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 25, 2015, 12:50:20 AM
:lol Jesus I didn't insult your mother or anything, calm down. And of course I didn't play them, I was going on what you put in your post.

But no "dense" Star Wars movie is ever getting made. It's fun to think about, sure. But in general I'm not a fan of splitting a singular work up into a series of things.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 25, 2015, 12:52:54 AM
KOTOR $3, "Gold" Wine status - http://store.steampowered.com/app/32370/
KOTOR II $3, has native Linux client - http://store.steampowered.com/app/208580/
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mandark on December 25, 2015, 12:57:35 AM
We need more self-contained shit, not less.

Yeah, but we also need fewer movies trying to shoehorn in multiple plot arcs (eg Dark Knight Rises, Age of Ultron, etc.).
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 25, 2015, 01:02:13 AM
We need more self-contained shit, not less.

Yeah, but we also need fewer movies trying to shoehorn in multiple plot arcs (eg Dark Knight Rises, Age of Ultron, etc.).

I would argue in those cases the best solution would be to trim shit out, not make a Dark Knight Rises - Part 2.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 25, 2015, 01:02:55 AM
KOTOR $3, "Gold" Wine status - http://store.steampowered.com/app/32370/
KOTOR II $3, has native Linux client - http://store.steampowered.com/app/208580/

I'm on Mac now. And my free time is far more precious than those price tags at the moment.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 25, 2015, 01:03:48 AM
I'm on Mac now. And my free time is far more precious than those price tags at the moment.
Good news, both on Mac!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 25, 2015, 01:06:57 AM
I've always thought that TDKR's fatal flaw was trying to be the sequel to Begins to complete an "arc" that never existed. I always liked the first half (third?) of TDKR with all the Catwoman stuff, Bane's absurd heist, Batman's return, etc. Then we started chanting "RISE" in some language and blowing up stadiums and having nuclear weapons in Wayne Enterprises basements like wtf.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 25, 2015, 01:19:46 AM
That plus the non-Robin bit and the eight-year hiatus were my biggest gripes.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 25, 2015, 01:39:40 AM
So I'm 90% convinced Snoke is Plagueis

(http://i.imgur.com/vUlSdPJ.jpg)

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 25, 2015, 02:06:47 AM
So I'm 90% convinced Snoke is Plagueis

(http://i.imgur.com/vUlSdPJ.jpg)

or or or... SHE COULD BE A VIRGIN MIDICHLORIAN BIRTH YOU GUYS!

Going rumor is Snoke is Darth Plagueis so...

#ITSALLCONNECTED

#POETRY
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 25, 2015, 06:11:38 AM
Who the fuck is Plagueis? Is this EU shit?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 25, 2015, 06:19:30 AM
Who the fuck is Plagueis? Is this EU shit?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05dT34hGRdg

So, yes.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Sman on December 25, 2015, 08:03:56 AM
Rey's theme sounds like something I've heard in Beauty and the Beast and Harry Potter.  Still love it.

Still sounds like the Robocop sad theme to me.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Boogie on December 25, 2015, 08:52:09 AM
Who the fuck is Plagueis? Is this EU shit?

Worse.  Prequel shit.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Boogie on December 25, 2015, 08:54:45 AM
Also, I know we've all just been talking about the movie itself in here, but box-office-wise, it looks like, domestically at least, TFA is going to tell Avatar that daddy's home and give it a spankin'
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 25, 2015, 09:07:04 AM
Who the fuck is Plagueis? Is this EU shit?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05dT34hGRdg

So, yes.

Thanks I have seen that movie literally one and only one time.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 25, 2015, 09:11:26 AM
Also, I know we've all just been talking about the movie itself in here, but box-office-wise, it looks like, domestically at least, TFA is going to tell Avatar that daddy's home and give it a spankin'

I think this can hit over 1 billion. Shame it didn't beat GTAV's 1 billion dollar record but that's impossible given the lower cost of ticket sales.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 25, 2015, 01:45:44 PM
It's already grossed 813.5 million in like a week.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: brawndolicious on December 25, 2015, 07:23:59 PM
It was an incredibly fun movie, the best parts being the action and funny lines plus Rey's awesomeness coming from her noggin/no adolescent damsel fantasies. Still fuzzy on the backstory on how the Imperials rose up again in the First Order and Rey's backstory but that'll probably be explained in the next movies.

There are some weird plot inconsistencies that make you go like :gurl

spoiler (click to show/hide)
How easily Poe's X-Wing was disabled by blaster rifles but the storm troopers couldn't stop the objectively weaker Tie Fighter when Finn helps Poe escape
How Kylo Ren was able to just absorb so many blaster/bocaster shots when episode 3 made it seem like Jedis were as vulnerable to blasters as anyone else
How an untrained Rey could overpower Ren so easily when a couple days earlier she thought Jedis were a myth
And how the First Order built the starkiller thing without Resistance/New Republic noticing
[close]
Some of that is just hating on scifi writing.

Also don't watch it in 3d, it's not even worth the trouble of wearing the glasses. It really feels like the movie was shot for a 2D experience. Overall, you could tell they had to try to fit in a lot and I don't mind at all that they sort of rehashed the plot of episode 4 here since it shows how history repeats itself. This movie definitely has it's own unique personality too despite the nostalgia references everywhere.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 26, 2015, 03:40:56 AM
It was an incredibly fun movie, the best parts being the action and funny lines plus Rey's awesomeness coming from her noggin/no adolescent damsel fantasies. Still fuzzy on the backstory on how the Imperials rose up again in the First Order and Rey's backstory but that'll probably be explained in the next movies.

There are some weird plot inconsistencies that make you go like :gurl

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Quote
How easily Poe's X-Wing was disabled by blaster rifles but the storm troopers couldn't stop the objectively weaker Tie Fighter when Finn helps Poe escape
First Order TIE fighters are actually shielded, whereas Imperial ones were not. The FO is short on pilots, so they invested in sturdier TIE. It's not clear if Poe's X-Wing is shielded when it was hit. My guess is that shields can't be engaged while landed.
Quote
How Kylo Ren was able to just absorb so many blaster/bocaster shots when episode 3 made it seem like Jedis were as vulnerable to blasters as anyone else
Kylo's got the Force running dark side rage to keep him on his feet. You can see him even hitting his wounds to give himself more rage and pain on which to feed.
Quote
How an untrained Rey could overpower Ren so easily when a couple days earlier she thought Jedis were a myth
And how the First Order built the starkiller thing without Resistance/New Republic noticing
The rage and pain fueling him made him reckless; as it's been pointed out, Finn's fight with Kylo could have been cut short by Force-throwing him into a tree or choking him or whatever. As it was, he seemed to take little heed of safety or tactics in either battle, and that is part of how he fails to win.
Still other speculation on Rey's skills involve her actually having been a youngling at Luke's academy, but either repressing the memory or having it sealed away from her for her own safety.
[close]
Some of that is just hating on scifi writing.

Also don't watch it in 3d, it's not even worth the trouble of wearing the glasses. It really feels like the movie was shot for a 2D experience. Overall, you could tell they had to try to fit in a lot and I don't mind at all that they sort of rehashed the plot of episode 4 here since it shows how history repeats itself. This movie definitely has it's own unique personality too despite the nostalgia references everywhere.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 26, 2015, 10:08:06 AM
Quote from: http://www.imdb.com/news/ni59319564/?ref=tsm_1_fb_s_IMDb_Marketing&linkId=19815464
Harrison Ford received an eight-figured paycheck ($10-20 million).

Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamill made salaries in the low seven-figure range.

Oscar Isaac and Adam Driver got mid- to high-six figures (above $500,000).

Daisy Ridley and John Boyega earned something between $100,000-$300,000.

 :leon
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on December 26, 2015, 11:42:36 AM
Quote from: http://www.imdb.com/news/ni59319564/?ref=tsm_1_fb_s_IMDb_Marketing&linkId=19815464
Harrison Ford received an eight-figured paycheck ($10-20 million).

Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamill made salaries in the low seven-figure range.

Oscar Isaac and Adam Driver got mid- to high-six figures (above $500,000).

Daisy Ridley and John Boyega earned something between $100,000-$300,000.

 :leon

It's a bit of bullshit, but it's star power for you. Famous actors are pretty much the most visible and number one argument in an industry with no definitive recipe. We've heard of those insane wages for quite some time now, and it's obviously a happy few thing as otherwise it would just bloat those ridiculous budgets even further. Save for the upper crust of Hollywood extravaganzas and some of past Soviet gigantic projects (the 16 hour version of War & Peace), most "pro" movies worldwide are done for between 500.000$ and 60 or so millions.

A six figure salary for a few months of work is honestly pretty good already, especially since most of your basic expenses (food, accomodations, transport) will be paid for by the production.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 26, 2015, 12:13:12 PM
They'll be making bank on all the publicity and appearances after this movie, and a ton on the sequels
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 26, 2015, 12:28:31 PM
They'll be making money in the sequels, merch sales. Don't worry, they'll do well for themselves. You get paid in Hollywood based on how sought after you are, and everyone wanted Han, Leia, and Luke in the new trilogy right? That's how it works. After the success of TFA and fan reception all of the young actors have their stock risen ten fold. I wouldn't worry about them at all.

Let's be real, they hadn't done anything yet to earn that type of big money as actors. Most weren't known. That's just how it works. Gotta do work to get dat work in Tinseltown.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on December 26, 2015, 12:32:56 PM
They'll be making bank on all the publicity and appearances after this movie, and a ton on the sequels

Sure. It's still pretty obscene a discrepancy.
But heh, what you gonna do ?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: brawndolicious on December 26, 2015, 12:45:17 PM
To be fair like half of episode 8 is going to focus on Luke and Rey though.

It was an incredibly fun movie, the best parts being the action and funny lines plus Rey's awesomeness coming from her noggin/no adolescent damsel fantasies. Still fuzzy on the backstory on how the Imperials rose up again in the First Order and Rey's backstory but that'll probably be explained in the next movies.

There are some weird plot inconsistencies that make you go like :gurl

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Quote
How easily Poe's X-Wing was disabled by blaster rifles but the storm troopers couldn't stop the objectively weaker Tie Fighter when Finn helps Poe escape
First Order TIE fighters are actually shielded, whereas Imperial ones were not. The FO is short on pilots, so they invested in sturdier TIE. It's not clear if Poe's X-Wing is shielded when it was hit. My guess is that shields can't be engaged while landed.
Quote
How Kylo Ren was able to just absorb so many blaster/bocaster shots when episode 3 made it seem like Jedis were as vulnerable to blasters as anyone else
Kylo's got the Force running dark side rage to keep him on his feet. You can see him even hitting his wounds to give himself more rage and pain on which to feed.
Quote
How an untrained Rey could overpower Ren so easily when a couple days earlier she thought Jedis were a myth
And how the First Order built the starkiller thing without Resistance/New Republic noticing
The rage and pain fueling him made him reckless; as it's been pointed out, Finn's fight with Kylo could have been cut short by Force-throwing him into a tree or choking him or whatever. As it was, he seemed to take little heed of safety or tactics in either battle, and that is part of how he fails to win.
Still other speculation on Rey's skills involve her actually having been a youngling at Luke's academy, but either repressing the memory or having it sealed away from her for her own safety.
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Some of that is just hating on scifi writing.

Also don't watch it in 3d, it's not even worth the trouble of wearing the glasses. It really feels like the movie was shot for a 2D experience. Overall, you could tell they had to try to fit in a lot and I don't mind at all that they sort of rehashed the plot of episode 4 here since it shows how history repeats itself. This movie definitely has it's own unique personality too despite the nostalgia references everywhere.

 :ohhh I was thinking that the Ties were still weak based on how easily X-Wings could shred them. The new storm troopers also seemed to have better training although FO tactics make them sort of disposable.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 26, 2015, 07:15:31 PM
Enjoyed this movie quite a bit but was a little letdown by the final lightsaber fight. I felt that was one thing JJ would really nail but it felt like a mess to me.

Overall, a nice pseudo-remake of ANH. Finn was more hilarious than I thought he'd be. Rey was great (though her knowing the Jedi mindtrick without training slightly irked me.) Lots of cool imagery (JJ's bred and butter as I've said before - standout shot was the sun going out right before Han gets it.)

Dad and Uncle who I saw it with were HARDCORE ragging on it on the way home. :lol I thought they'd love it but they couldn't stop nitpicking it and bashing JJ (to be fair, they're more into Trek and hate what he did with it.)

Really looking forward to 8, if only because everyone needs more Mark Hamill in their lives.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 26, 2015, 07:32:40 PM
I really liked the saber fight. It all kind of makes sense- Ren is wounded, and also insane (the beating on his wounds to keep motivating himself) and Finn and Rey are both untrained, so their "offense" is basically just desperate lunges/strikes while trying not to get murk'd. Rey only starts to do well when she starts listening to the force.

Was it as good as the PM Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan vs. Darth Maul duel, or even the Obi-Wan vs. Anakin duel in ROTS? No, but those are the high water marks for saber duels and featured skilled, trained combatants. This one was believable for what it was, and I liked it better than any of the ones in the OG trilogy.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 26, 2015, 07:34:38 PM
Also also- everyone harps on Rey being untrained, but she only ever uses the force to do things that she's already seen someone else try. The mind trick? Ren had just tried that on her. The tele-kinetic saber pull? Ren was trying that right before she did. So, it doesn't bother me. I bet we find out she's a massively powerful force adept from a strong Jedi lineage.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 26, 2015, 07:57:55 PM
The mind trick came out of nowhere to my eyes. I didn't see as what Kylo was doing as the mind trick at all, but a mind assault. He says "you will tell me etc." before he even starts using the Force. For Rey to pull the Jedi mind trick from that, and use it in 100% exactly the same way it was used in the previous movies, was too much for me personally. The rest of her stuff I bought without much issue.

It's the only instance that stood out for me, and on top of that it was convenient there would be just one single guard within earshot for her to make her escape.

I agree about the believability of the saber fight but after the meh dogfights, and all the trailers/etc. I was settling in for a kickass duel for the climax and TFA didn't deliver.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 26, 2015, 08:03:25 PM
I thought the dogfights were ok, just a little short. But, I bet we get that itch scratched in Rogue One.

Honestly, the action in this movie was overall the best in any Star War IMO.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 26, 2015, 08:34:50 PM
People also forget that Ren just KILLED HIS DAD and as a conflicted character ruled by his emotions, that's going to fuck him up.

Ren doesn't do the mind trick on her. He probes her mind, which is different. Also, the mind trick takes Rey THREE TIMES in order for it to work. 

How is this no different than Luke hitting the beams blind on like his second try? Han says its luck. Be we all know it's the force. If we all accept that "the force works in mysterious ways" why is it so hard to accept that it took Rey three attempts to convince a guard - likely weak willed - into letting her go especially when we clearly see an awakening in her force powers?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 26, 2015, 08:37:35 PM
The concept of the Jedi mind trick is something I see as needing to be taught. You can't really "luck into it." Nobody in real life would think to do it, and so it breaks the suspension of disbelief. It would be like if Rey suddenly knew the "Force Whistle™" which blew out the guard's eardrums. Would anyone in that situation just try whistling out of the blue? No.

I'm not interested in Luke comparisons.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 26, 2015, 08:45:18 PM
Also, there's a huge difference between Luke and Rey's characters. Luke always concentrated on what he couldn't do. He couldn't hit the beams with the blast cover over the helmet. Except he could. He says he couldn't lift the x-wing out of the swamp. Except Yoda does.

Luke's failing is that he gives up before he tries. Which ties into what Yoda said about being seduced by the quick and easier way - the dark side. Luke always looked to the future rather than what he can do RIGHT NOW. He also had large doubts on the force.

Rey has no such problems. She was a survivor on a planet by herself. When Han confirms Jedi and the Force are true, it just confirms what she already knew in her heart to be true. Rey believes full on in the force, and this is probably a big reason she learns so fast, because unlike Luke, she doesn't fight it.

The force works in mysterious ways, but that's why it's Star Wars. The force has never made any tangible sense beyond the abstract definition of ki, and I think putting too much logic to the force misses the point of the spiritual component of the story.

Because things didn't always  come easy for Luke doesn't mean it shouldn't for Rey as well. We aren't talking full on Anakin space Jesus here but I'm not sure why people are willing to critique the movie for being too similar to the OT while at the same time asking for the same character trajectory that Luke had in the OT.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 26, 2015, 08:54:10 PM
And it's also highly likely that Rey had some Jedi training when she was younger, probably from Luke [who hid her away after Ren's betrayal]. Hearing Han confirm that everything she'd heard was true, seeing the visions when holding the lightsaber, and being exposed to intense Dark Side powers merely dragged up those old lessons subconsciously and she grabbed on to the only thread available to her.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 26, 2015, 08:56:56 PM
Yeah it's pretty obvious she probably had some training, especially if she's a skywalker like everyone thinks.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Trent Dole on December 27, 2015, 03:05:53 AM
Saw this with family earlier today/yesterday in 3D cause the regular showing was full up. It's a Star Wars ass Star Wars movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Shaka Khan on December 27, 2015, 04:18:22 AM
I too was proud of myself for remembering that "Starkiller" was originally pitched as Luke's last name.

*snort*
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 27, 2015, 10:46:13 AM
Also the name of the Gary Stu from The Force Unleashed.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Crash Dummy on December 27, 2015, 12:35:53 PM
saw this yesterday slightly drunk yesterday. enjoyed it a lot, liked adam driver's performance and wish it had more poe but all in all is a fun movie and will now carry on with my life
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 27, 2015, 12:35:57 PM
Just saw it, solid 9/10

Not often you get everything you wanted
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 27, 2015, 01:31:04 PM
Dat earnings potential tho

:lawd

http://money.cnn.com/2015/12/27/media/star-wars-the-force-awakens-1-billion-box-office-record/

Disney gonna make like half their money back on this movie alone, rest of the franchise will just be extra
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 27, 2015, 02:10:25 PM
Prob makes sense in China

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Shaka Khan on December 27, 2015, 02:10:41 PM
I'm a little out of the loop, but holiday 2016 will see Rogue one release and May 2017 will see Ep VIII's? And if I'm not mistaken there are two Anthology movies coming after VIII?

If so, this is already looking like Marvel's fatiguing schedule. Good job, Disney.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 27, 2015, 02:13:51 PM
Have faith shaka. Also skip some movies and stick to the canon (lol)



Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 27, 2015, 02:29:33 PM
I'm a little out of the loop, but holiday 2016 will see Rogue one release and May 2017 will see Ep VIII's? And if I'm not mistaken there are two Anthology movies coming after VIII?

If so, this is already looking like Marvel's fatiguing schedule. Good job, Disney.

Dude, that's ONE Star War a year. There are like 3+ Marvel movies each year. Not even comparable.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 27, 2015, 02:37:23 PM
It's pretty comparable.

There's never been a year with three Marvel Movies. It's only been 2 at most.

Disney is just gearing up with Star Wars. It could easily play out like Marvel. If the point is that Star Wars fatgiue could be a thing, it's pretty possible. You're going from a series that saw new installments a decade and then some apart to a series that in a couple of years will have 6 movies and maybe more. That I also think will probably go straight into Episode 10. Personally, I would have just done the new triligiy, then do a few years of spin-offs. Then bring in episode 10. People love Star Wars, but I also think people love it as an event. It will be pretty strange having it as a constant.

Though if the movies are good, I guess it's no big deal and I think Disney has made good mostly good Marvel movies so..
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 27, 2015, 02:54:53 PM
Lucas sold Star Wars so Disney would kill it through overexposure. :doge

"If the prequels didn't kill Star Wars, dammit I must find SOME WAY!"  :P
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 27, 2015, 03:01:11 PM
So nice to be able to finally read this thread.

Have to say I really like the new cast. Rey is super cool and I didnt knoq before the movie she would be the jedi, good to see a girl be the big hero, Finn is juwt a cheeky cool fellow, good sub for Solo, Poe is the classic good guy and hope we will see more of him. Love how manic Kyle Ren is, great bad guy and Im sure after what has happened he will be resolved now.

Only character i wasnt 100% convinced about was the cantina lady, just a weird species dunno.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 27, 2015, 03:01:25 PM
If I was a pettier man I'd post quotes of Andrex and thisismyusername saying Avengers 2 will make more money than Star Wars :heh

I'm ignoring the spinoff till torrents, mostly sticking to the episodes. Marvel fatigue won't set in till it's been 8 years with 2 or 3 movies a year. It will set in eventually, though. Ain't one got time for the EU on movie screens for too long. Even though they'll definitely still make bank. Just not first good SW movie after ten years money.

Look at you pretending like nerds have sense and won't keep going to Marvel movies no matter what

:heh

And yeah, poor Joss Whedon. Turns out JJ can do snappy one liner dialog better than he can AND develop better characters that people are actually invested in. Suck it, Whedon fans.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 27, 2015, 03:03:25 PM
Yeah I'm not going to give JJ credit for anything regarding writing after the years of pretty generic and forgettable movies he did.  And seeing as how this one leverages a lot on another movie..

Especially since the writer of both Empire and ROTJ worked on this.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 27, 2015, 03:05:18 PM
Droid please
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 27, 2015, 03:05:33 PM
If I was a pettier man I'd post quotes of Andrex and thisismyusername saying Avengers 2 will make more money than Star Wars :heh

I'm ignoring the spinoff till torrents, mostly sticking to the episodes. Marvel fatigue won't set in till it's been 8 years with 2 or 3 movies a year. It will set in eventually, though. Ain't one got time for the EU on movie screens for too long. Even though they'll definitely still make bank. Just not first good SW movie after ten years money.

Look at you pretending like nerds have sense and won't keep going to Marvel movies no matter what

:heh

And yeah, poor Joss Whedon. Turns out JJ can do snappy one liner dialog better than he can AND develop better characters that people are actually invested in. Suck it, Whedon fans.

To be fair, JJ had Kasdan helping him, who is a master script writer.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 27, 2015, 03:05:38 PM
And prob one of the best, best things was that it felt like something from 2015, where the prequels were shot in such boring static way.

Also none of the crappy fast cuts like Bay.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 27, 2015, 05:54:50 PM
Saw it again today.  Still fucking awesome.

Definitely noticed a few things I wasn't as into this time around though.  Namely Han and Ben's encounter and what Han was even planning there.  Part of me thinks he knew full well what was going to happen, and I think Ben was being sincere about how torn he was...but I don't know, I felt like there's more to it that we won't learn about until later.  Also the movie feels very brisk.  Didn't think it let the characters or story breath at all, but I guess that same "flaw" can be applied to A New Hope.

I DEFINITELY think Rey is either a Skywalker or a Kenobi.  I'd rather her be a Kenobi for the symmetry of it all...Obi-Wan ---> Luke ---> Rey.  Having another Kenobi be the one who truly defeats the Dark Side with Luke's help is a path I'd like to see.

One of the Anthology movies is gonna be an Obi-wan flick right?  My fever dream is for VIII to reveal Rey as a Kenobi, with the following Obi-wan movie detailing how Obi-wan succumbed to his desires instead of being a Jedi prude
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Freyj on December 27, 2015, 06:03:06 PM
I don't think we'll see anywhere near the number of Marvel movies with Star Wars. If anything we'll continue to get periodic Anthology movies depending on how they do, but I don't see Ep 10 - 12 releasing very soon after 9.

Marvel has a near unlimited number of characters to draw on, and you have the benefit of introducing a new film character in one solo movie, giving them their own solo movie, and then after several cycles of that letting them join in on the big collaborative movie. People will want to see big familiar faces, events and items with any Star Wars movie. There's only so much you can do with what we've been given in the films so far. Very few people will be clamoring for a Bib Fortuna backstory movie.

Definitely noticed a few things I wasn't as into this time around though.  Namely Han and Ben's encounter and what Han was even planning there.  Part of me thinks he knew full well what was going to happen, and I think Ben was being sincere about how torn he was...but I don't know, I felt like there's more to it that we won't learn about until later.

Watching his reaction to Leia telling him to bring Ben back and every other conversation he has about Ben, it really seems like he's fighting the urge to run again (ANH / Empire callbacks). As he gets closer to that encounter he really seems to accept that there's no turning Ben away from the Dark Side.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: brawndolicious on December 27, 2015, 06:09:13 PM
Nah I think Rey is too young to be Obi-Wans child. Plus he was living on Tatooine watching over Luke so the time line for having a child would be weird.

Maybe Rey is actually Luke's kid and after Kylo went to the dark side, Luke wanted Rey to grow up alone in the hopes that she would turn out more like him than like Vader? Wookiepedia seems to support that timeline with her being born 11 years after The Battle of Endor.  This would make her 10 years younger than Kylo and so Kylo would have been about 15 when she was abandoned on Jakku.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 27, 2015, 06:14:17 PM
Luke's a shitty dad if thats the case
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 27, 2015, 06:16:04 PM
Luke's a shitty dad if thats the case

Well, we already know he's a shitty Jedi master.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 27, 2015, 06:24:06 PM
Rey could be Obi Wan's granddaughter tho
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 27, 2015, 06:32:59 PM
To be honest I'll be glad when they hopefully eventually move on from one magical family being the saviors and the most important people in the universe.

I get why Luke I am your father was important but I don't think this whole thing needs to be the very basis of Star Wars.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 27, 2015, 06:41:37 PM
If I was a pettier man I'd post quotes of Andrex and thisismyusername saying Avengers 2 will make more money than Star Wars :heh

Will fully take the L there. Age of Ultron was less good than I expected and The Force Awakens was a little better than I expected.

To be fair, the franchise was coming out of a 10-year coma, of which the last three movies were shit and didn't break records, and JJ was coming hot off Star Trek Into Darkness.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 28, 2015, 12:47:21 AM
Estimates put TFA at $153 Million for the weekend with a mere 38.1% drop. That's fucking bonkers, even for a holiday weekend.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 28, 2015, 01:13:07 AM
Man, if it could knock Avatar off... poor Glen Shinobi.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 28, 2015, 01:28:07 AM
Well quality wise it already beat it
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 28, 2015, 03:05:03 AM
Lets see, but I think the whole trilogy will beat the avatar trilogy.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 28, 2015, 04:44:21 AM
Quote
I want to start by stating I truly have enjoyed all Star Wars movies prior to this one. Even the prequels (which are obviously not as good) demolish this movie in plot, character building and EVEN action sequences. (there is only two lightsaber battles and they last seconds)

Anyone with a brain and knowledge of the original trilogy can see that Star Wars: Episode VII was a regurgitation of the first three film's plot condensed into two hours. Everything was the same with slight twists down to the famous "Luke, I am your father" scene except it's with Han Solo and his apparent Sith son who stabs and throws off of the new Death Star.

They added a bigger and badder Death Star, tossed Anakin's lightsaber around to whoever felt like using it to fight and did a terrible job of carrying on Star Wars essence. It was flooded with humor and half a**ed acting. There was no training or build up of power Rey is literally able to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord as a teenage girl who days before didn't even know she was a Jedi. Finn was able to wield and use a lightsaber although as far as I am concerned he is not a Jedi.

Han Solo and Chewbacca just happen to come across the Millennium Falcon after 30 years which just happens to have Luke Skywalker's daughter, Finn, and a droid carrying the map to Luke Skywalker on it. The film was pretty much downhill for me from this point on I spent most of my time watching this with a "What???" face and hands up in confusion as to how they could have made the film suck so bad.

This film literally spanned out the introduction of old characters we know and love in order to keep our attention and keep us excited to see the next only to disappoint us with no further elaboration in story and literally no emotion. Leia hardly even reacted to losing the love of her life Han Solo. The dialogue between the two of them was rushed and obvious that they were trying to explain 30 years of story in small talk.

What I take as the mentality for this film: MAKE A BIGGER DEATHSTAR, OH BIGGER EMPEROR TOO (srsly what was up with that), GIRL JEDI MAIN CHARACTER, BLACK GUY WHO MIGHT BE A JEDI TOO MAIN CHARACTER (I am African American so don't take this as racism) people are going TO EAT THIS UP. And congratulations, you all did and now they will keep milking the franchise and making terribly thought out films with nothing more than CGI and humor to make up for it.

Throughout this film I found myself wanting to walk out of the theater and just be done but I couldn't resist waiting for the punchline of this joke of a film and boy did I get it. After all of the humor riddled torture we are brought to the final scene. Rey is going to see her long lost dad who I guess spent all of this time standing on a random mountain looking at the beach. And then it happens, what we had all been waiting for. Luke turns around and sees the daughter he was forced to abandon and she hold out Anakin's lightsaber as some odd tribute to him (I don't see the symbolism in this) at this point I just burst out laughing at how bad this journey has been and that's it it's over. The next thing I see is JJ Abrams. I proceeded to scream "BOO" at the screen multiple times with the only response to it being "cmon it wasn't that bad" after that I walked outside and contemplated throwing up as the movie was so bad it caused me to feel nauseous.

This film took advantage of Star Wars fans and played into a hand of re-doing famous scenes with different characters and telling the same story over again. It's sad that people actually think this movie was good or acceptable because now they are going to once again shame the Star Wars name.

BOYCOTT EPISODE 8. THIS RENDITION NEEDS TO BE SCRAPPED AND REBOOTED THEY ARE JUST MILKING THIS FRANCHISE.

IMDB review  :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on December 28, 2015, 05:30:00 AM
Rey is going to see her long lost dad who I guess spent all of this time standing on a random mountain looking at the beach.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 28, 2015, 08:11:52 AM
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Lucas told us Han Solo was married to a Wookiee but that we couldn’t mention that because it would be controversial.

http://mentalfloss.com/article/72863/dark-side-oral-history-star-wars-holiday-special
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 28, 2015, 09:17:16 AM
(http://www.realclearpolitics.com/cartoons/images/2015/12/22/steve_breen_steve_breen_for_12222015_5_.jpg)
(http://www.realclearpolitics.com/cartoons/images/2015/12/21/andy_marlette_andy_marlette_for_12212015_5_.jpg)

star war annihilated
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 28, 2015, 10:16:55 AM
Rey is too young to be Obi Wan's child.

But not young enough to be his grand child.

That's my personal hope on it. I think having one magical savior family in the galaxy is boring.

There's four possibilities:

1. Rey is Luke's daughter
2. Rey is Han and Leia's daughter, making her and Kylo siblings
3. She's Obi Wan's granddaughter
4. She's related to no one we think she is (for example, Snoke)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 28, 2015, 10:27:09 AM
Rey can also not be related to anyone, which would be the best
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: helios on December 28, 2015, 10:35:37 AM
(http://www.realclearpolitics.com/cartoons/images/2015/12/22/steve_breen_steve_breen_for_12222015_5_.jpg)
(http://www.realclearpolitics.com/cartoons/images/2015/12/21/andy_marlette_andy_marlette_for_12212015_5_.jpg)

star war annihilated

I love the useless labeling on these.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 28, 2015, 11:16:27 AM
I love the useless labeling on these.
my favorite is the one on the Millennium Falcon

or maybe the C.E.O. button
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 28, 2015, 12:20:36 PM
The thirst is real, brehs

http://metro.co.uk/2010/12/14/carrie-fisher-i-had-sex-with-princess-leia-fans-612025/

:lawd
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: mormapope on December 28, 2015, 12:50:05 PM
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‘I certainly have, along the way, slept with a nerd. But I don’t think I ever got anything out of it except the sex. It was probably good. Nerds will surprise you. They’re way more enthusiastic. More bang with your buck,’ she told the New York Daily News.

Wonder how high she'd get.

Doing drugs with Carrie and then fucking her  :aah
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: brawndolicious on December 28, 2015, 02:09:53 PM
Luke's a shitty dad if thats the case

If people know you're force sensitive, someone from the dark side will try to convert you so he could have thought that putting as much distance as possible was the only way to let her grow into her own person. Maybe he left her with a family that abandoned her when they saw she could use the force and thus would make them all potentially get deaded by Kylo.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 28, 2015, 02:10:41 PM
Quote
Lucas told us Han Solo was married to a Wookiee but that we couldn’t mention that because it would be controversial.

http://mentalfloss.com/article/72863/dark-side-oral-history-star-wars-holiday-special

Quote
Herman: The interesting thing is, the day after the special aired was the day of the Jonestown Massacre. It was just a bad time for everyone.

:dead
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: helios on December 28, 2015, 02:58:09 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/rexfI45.png)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 28, 2015, 03:43:48 PM
"It was probably good."

:rofl

Carrie Fisher is like the old awesome aunt now. She rocks.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 28, 2015, 05:29:27 PM
Man, if it could knock Avatar off... poor Glen Shinobi.

Some sites are already saying that a $1 billion domestic gross isn't outside the realm of possibility.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 28, 2015, 06:43:36 PM
TFA has made more than 100 million on IMAX screens alone, six days faster than JW which had a same day/date release in China and TFA didn't
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 29, 2015, 12:24:26 AM
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‘I certainly have, along the way, slept with a nerd. But I don’t think I ever got anything out of it except the sex. It was probably good. Nerds will surprise you. They’re way more enthusiastic. More bang with your buck,’ she told the New York Daily News.

Wonder how high she'd get.

Doing drugs with Carrie and then fucking her  :aah

http://imgur.com/gallery/005s3
:drool
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 29, 2015, 12:31:16 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/Mq9QlUC.jpg)

:rofl
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 29, 2015, 12:34:02 AM
Quote
‘I certainly have, along the way, slept with a nerd. But I don’t think I ever got anything out of it except the sex. It was probably good. Nerds will surprise you. They’re way more enthusiastic. More bang with your buck,’ she told the New York Daily News.

Wonder how high she'd get.

Doing drugs with Carrie and then fucking her  :aah

http://imgur.com/gallery/005s3
:drool

So much cocaine fueled those pics tbh

:lawd
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 29, 2015, 12:35:29 AM
Sure. It was the '80s. Look at Dan Ackroyd; the man was a rail.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Trent Dole on December 29, 2015, 01:01:30 AM
It's almost as if this is a sci fi movie for small children!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mandark on December 29, 2015, 01:02:42 AM
I think Triumph pointed out that several pages ago.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
nobody tell Walrus about laser and explosion noises in space
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 29, 2015, 01:23:42 AM
Someone on GAF showed a galaxy map and the planets destroyed were pretty far away from Maz's planet. It was done for effect. Star Wars is not smart.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 29, 2015, 01:32:01 AM
Well I for one would hope kids wouldn't think a movie about light swords and magic is actual science fiction.

Anytime people bring actual science talk to the same table of a series that loves to talk about a literal force of evil all I can do is laugh.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 29, 2015, 01:40:32 AM
Maybe since it takes place "a long long time ago," the universe hadn't expanded as much and thus the planets were close enough together to see their destruction.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 29, 2015, 01:53:38 AM
Maybe it's a movie with space wizards?

All we need now is to revive those planets with the dragon balls!

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 29, 2015, 02:04:23 AM
This stretches the boundaries of suspended disbelief a hell of a lot more than a laser sword or hyperspace.

It was a cool-looking shot, but it should have been cut.
It really doesn't.  I'm not really thinking about hardcore scientific fact while watching Star Wars.

Are you going to be the guy during Independence Day 2 yelling about how it's physically impossible, that the huge alien ships would destroy Earth's gravitational pull merely by existing in the same space?

Because no one wants that guy around.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mandark on December 29, 2015, 02:14:56 AM
Han Solo times a deceleration from lightspeed so as to bypass a force field by saying "...now!" and doing it manually.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 29, 2015, 02:34:36 AM
If light just travels faster in star wars land do they even need ftl? An elegant solution perhaps.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 29, 2015, 02:36:27 AM
Han Solo times a deceleration from lightspeed so as to bypass a force field by saying "...now!" and doing it manually.
Now that did strike me as kind of dumb, but the movie moves at such a quick pace that I just let it go.

But I mean, I like to look at each story individually and look at how it uses it's own logic in the story/universe it creates. Something like Interstellar where its clear they are trying to be realistic, getting facts wrong is a lot more damning then Star Wars. Star Wars has never played by an real world science fact. Its been rule of cool and rule of drama from the beginning.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mandark on December 29, 2015, 02:45:44 AM
If light just travels faster in star wars land do they even need ftl? An elegant solution perhaps.

I was gonna say, they only ever refer to travelling "at lightspeed" and seem to get to places faster than that would imply.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 29, 2015, 02:46:29 AM
Han Solo times a deceleration from lightspeed so as to bypass a force field by saying "...now!" and doing it manually.

Why didn't they just warp the whole fleet in there? X-Wings have FTL.

Alternate question: Why didn't the First Order have Interdictors? :smug

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: brawndolicious on December 29, 2015, 03:16:24 AM
Maybe it's a visualization of the disturbance in the force caused by blowing up the Hosnian system? The midichlorians did it. :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: helios on December 29, 2015, 07:34:40 AM
It was just a shot that Abrams wanted because it looked cool. Some people are able to roll with it, some aren't. I'm in the latter. Even in fantasy, some rules of reality still apply. And it's not like it's difficult for kids to understand. They know that stuff far away is harder to see. It can still be realistic and still be understandable. Besides, Alderaan wasn't a huge spectacle to the rest of the galaxy when it got blown up.

What they should've done is have Rey react to it. She could be like "I think something bad has happened," or something and then everyone starts to get reports about Hosnian being blown up.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Steve Youngblood on December 29, 2015, 10:09:07 AM
Anyone who has taken even 1st grade science knows that light travels at about 300,000 meters per second, and that light from the star closest to Earth takes over 4 years to reach us.

Ahaha. What? I mean, maybe this fact is covered in a first grade textbook somewhere, but I have a pretty strong suspicion that most 6 to 7 year olds don't really have a strong concept of scale as to what this really means.

And yes, I am aware that I'm replying to Shinobi here.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 29, 2015, 10:15:32 AM
Anyone who has taken even 1st grade science knows that light travels at about 300,000 meters per second, and that light from the star closest to Earth takes over 4 years to reach us.

Ahaha. What? I mean, maybe this fact is covered in a first grade textbook somewhere, but I have a pretty strong suspicion that most 6 to 7 year olds don't really have a strong concept of scale as to what this really means.

And yes, I am aware that I'm replying to Shinobi here.

What you didn't determine the time dilation if you traveled to Alpha Centauri after struggling to keep your crayons between the lines in art class? Heathen
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 29, 2015, 10:33:34 AM
One thing that bothered me was that they had some rando Stormtrooper attack Finn on the pirate planet. It was a cool scene but it would have made more sense to me if it had been Captain Phasma.

Have Phasma confront Finn for being a traitor, attack him with a melee weapon, win the confrontation like the rando Stormtrooper did and only have Finn escape when she gets incapacitated by a blaster shot or something. Give her some battle damage to take with her through the trilogy.

Then it would have added more weight to Finn going after her on Starkiller base.

Would also give her something to do and setup their rivalry throughout the films which I assume is what they are going to be doing.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mupepe on December 29, 2015, 11:17:42 AM
I can only come to the conclusion that The Walrus is trolling all of you.... yet again.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 29, 2015, 11:21:21 AM
It would be great if they made a big deal out of Phasma but she's only in every movie for like 3 minutes, does nothing, and always ends up getting thrown into a trash compactor to mysteriously show up again in the next one.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on December 29, 2015, 11:55:05 AM
was captain phagma supposed to be a big deal? who cares about that bish
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on December 29, 2015, 12:03:51 PM
I read all the spoilers and thought she was gonna be doing some badass shiz throughout the movie. in the end my boy han found the perfect place for that ass
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 29, 2015, 04:42:05 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ZRCAP1A.jpg)

So Kyle did a stint in the marines? No wonder he's a bit messed up...
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: brawndolicious on December 29, 2015, 04:51:31 PM
Um yeah. He joined the Marines and was getting ready to ship out to Iraq but had some sort of rib injury that made him have to leave. He wasn't deployed with the other guys he trained with and mentioned he regretted that but I don't think there's any PTSD...

He's funny and awkward as hell in interviews though.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 29, 2015, 06:01:55 PM
He also plays for the Corps overseas when he can.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on December 29, 2015, 08:25:09 PM
movie was good, I actually feel like watching it again. any good torrents out yet?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 29, 2015, 08:26:57 PM
movie was good, I actually feel like watching it again. any good torrents out yet?

Not yet. Hand cameras only
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on December 29, 2015, 08:35:49 PM
theaters are too damn expensive, or I might just go pay to see it a second time. I caught a regular matinee showing(no 3D or imax bullshit) and it was still about $10. I hate my life
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 29, 2015, 09:33:27 PM
There's a theater in Atlanta that has first showing of the day for $4.25.

:rejoice
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mupepe on December 29, 2015, 09:39:36 PM
theaters are too damn expensive, or I might just go pay to see it a second time. I caught a regular matinee showing(no 3D or imax bullshit) and it was still about $10. I hate my life
Wow. A matinee here in Houston at a theater with reserved, reclining seats is $5.80.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on December 29, 2015, 09:46:48 PM
fuck y'all. I live down in columbus, ga. I should drive up to atlanta and rape that ass, then go watch the star war again for cheap.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 29, 2015, 09:50:45 PM
Georgia :kobeyuck

Texas :kobeyuck
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 29, 2015, 09:57:44 PM
theaters are too damn expensive, or I might just go pay to see it a second time. I caught a regular matinee showing(no 3D or imax bullshit) and it was still about $10. I hate my life
Wow. A matinee here in Houston at a theater with reserved, reclining seats is $5.80.

It's about $20 per seat in Japan.  :-\
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 29, 2015, 09:58:10 PM
I saw the movie for matinee for 6 bucks a piece
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on December 29, 2015, 10:14:20 PM
theaters are too damn expensive, or I might just go pay to see it a second time. I caught a regular matinee showing(no 3D or imax bullshit) and it was still about $10. I hate my life
Wow. A matinee here in Houston at a theater with reserved, reclining seats is $5.80.

It's about $20 per seat in Japan.  :-\
does the price inlcude underage school girl?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 30, 2015, 02:28:49 AM
theaters are too damn expensive, or I might just go pay to see it a second time. I caught a regular matinee showing(no 3D or imax bullshit) and it was still about $10. I hate my life
Wow. A matinee here in Houston at a theater with reserved, reclining seats is $5.80.

It's about $20 per seat in Japan.  :-\

18 usd in Denmark
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 30, 2015, 12:01:42 PM
The backlash is here

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-star-wars-the-force-awakens-stinks-20151226-column.html

:lol

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Modern blockbusters are not enjoyable the way the original "Star Wars" was, because they come at you as artifacts of high finance. Sitting in the theater at "Avatar," I felt like I was being pounded into submission by a giant hedge fund. Watching "The Force Awakens," I felt as though I was being shown a trailer for the next four movies in the series. Except that trailers aren't normally two hours long and you don't have to pay $12.50 to see them.

:rofl

A two hour trailer?

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It was said of George Lucas that he originally envisioned "Star Wars" as the first of a trilogy, which became reimagined as a series of three trilogies, and ended with two. Now we're at seven films, and anyone who thinks "Star Wars" will end at nine features doesn't know their Disney. The company, you see, is not really a movie studio, but an entertainment conglomerate. For Disney, "Star Wars" will be the gift that keeps giving. You, the consumer, are the mark who keeps paying.

Why is more Star Wars a bad thing? Lucas after the original trilogy said flat out that there would be more Star Wars and you're surprised?

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"Star Wars" sequels, prequels, and requels are destined to be part of moviemaking into the infinite future. One can envision Hollywood eventually turning out only two products: "Star Wars" movies and James Bond movies, each periodically "rebooted" for a new generation of customers by casting the latest new young stars in new costumes facing the same old perils and uttering the same old quips, with every other vestige of creative originality relegated to the void and forgotten.

:lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 30, 2015, 12:27:34 PM
BU BU BU BU WE'RE THE LA TIMES AND THIS MOVIE DIDN'T SHOOT IN LA SO WE'RE BUTTHURT

LET'S COMPLETELY IGNORE THE FACT THAT THIS SERIES HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT SELLING AS MANY TOYS AND WHATEVER AS POSSIBLE

OR THAT LUCAS HIMSELF CHANGED THE PLOT OF JEDI TO SELL FUCKING TEDDY BEARS TO CHILDREN
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bork on December 30, 2015, 01:45:41 PM
There's a theater in Atlanta that has first showing of the day for $4.25.

:rejoice

Which theater?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 30, 2015, 04:45:42 PM
Arguing with people on my facebook who agree with that article.

"This movie was completely dry! It had no humor!"

Did we watch the same movie? :wtf
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 30, 2015, 05:24:37 PM
Let's be real, some people were always going to hate it. Some of it is expectations, some of it is because it's a new installment. Who really cares?

My problem isn't people disliking it. My issue is how some people frame their dissatisfaction. Many are treating it like the film can't be enjoyed on any level beyond a cynical cash grab. It feels very reactionary and hyperbolic, as if the movie is entirely soulless and has no merits at all. It's just odd. But I guess should be expected due to the very forward and exposed marketing campaign. But still. It's Star Wars. What do you expect?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bork on December 30, 2015, 05:26:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRbFKuEY5jk
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 30, 2015, 05:28:51 PM
There's a theater in Atlanta that has first showing of the day for $4.25.

:rejoice

Which theater?

North Dekalb Mall. Pretty far from where you're at if I remember correctly?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 30, 2015, 06:43:33 PM
I like that the term Mary Sue is being used so much recently because its like an immediate signal if a person uses it that they are an idiot. It saves a lot of time from having to read their page long posts on the subject.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 30, 2015, 06:50:03 PM
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"They wanted to do a retro movie. I don't like that," the franchise's creator told Charlie Rose.

Star Wars creator George Lucas took a slight shot at The Walt Disney Company during a recent interview with Charlie Rose.

Lucas sold his space adventure franchise to Disney for $4 billion in 2012. The latest title released under the Disney moniker has already grossed more than $1 billion.

While talking to Rose about how much he loved the films he created and four of which he directed -- even calling them his "kids" -- Lucas said “I sold them to the white slavers that take these things, and…” Lucas did not finish his thought (49 minutes in to the clip below), but rather laughed before Rose moved on to another question.

Lucas went on to tell Rose he has accepted that the franchise is now in other hands, then he somewhat criticized the latest installment, The Force Awakens.

"They wanted to do a retro movie. I don't like that. Every movie, I worked very hard to make them different," Lucas told Rose. "I made them completely different -- different planets, different spaceships to make it new."

Before the deal came about, Lucas said he planned on writing and directing the sequels to his original trilogy. Then the sale occurred. Disney was not interested in his ideas for the follow-ups, so he stayed away from the production of Force Awakens, he said.

"They weren’t that keen to have me involved anyway, but if I get in there, I’m just going to cause trouble, because they’re not going to do what I want them to do. And I don’t have the control to do that anymore, and all I would do is muck everything up,” he said. “And so I said, ‘OK, I will go my way, and I’ll let them go their way.’”

The latest installment has been a massive success and will likely become the highest grossing film of all time.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/george-lucas-quips-he-sold-851545
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 30, 2015, 06:53:48 PM
such whine

much butthurt

GEORGE

wow
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Crash Dummy on December 30, 2015, 06:54:33 PM
i don't get the mary sue complaints, she's basically an older, female version of anakin from ep.1 except that's ok since he's the chosen one and you know he becomes vader
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 30, 2015, 07:13:18 PM
Quote
"They wanted to do a retro movie. I don't like that," the franchise's creator told Charlie Rose.

Star Wars creator George Lucas took a slight shot at The Walt Disney Company during a recent interview with Charlie Rose.

Lucas sold his space adventure franchise to Disney for $4 billion in 2012. The latest title released under the Disney moniker has already grossed more than $1 billion.

While talking to Rose about how much he loved the films he created and four of which he directed -- even calling them his "kids" -- Lucas said “I sold them to the white slavers that take these things, and…” Lucas did not finish his thought (49 minutes in to the clip below), but rather laughed before Rose moved on to another question.

Lucas went on to tell Rose he has accepted that the franchise is now in other hands, then he somewhat criticized the latest installment, The Force Awakens.

"They wanted to do a retro movie. I don't like that. Every movie, I worked very hard to make them different," Lucas told Rose. "I made them completely different -- different planets, different spaceships to make it new."

Before the deal came about, Lucas said he planned on writing and directing the sequels to his original trilogy. Then the sale occurred. Disney was not interested in his ideas for the follow-ups, so he stayed away from the production of Force Awakens, he said.

"They weren’t that keen to have me involved anyway, but if I get in there, I’m just going to cause trouble, because they’re not going to do what I want them to do. And I don’t have the control to do that anymore, and all I would do is muck everything up,” he said. “And so I said, ‘OK, I will go my way, and I’ll let them go their way.’”

The latest installment has been a massive success and will likely become the highest grossing film of all time.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/george-lucas-quips-he-sold-851545

I kinda get where he's coming from. TFA is basically ANH retread. Where his argument falls apart is the fact he made the prequels, which while different were different in a bad way.

Hopefully the next two movies feel a lot more different.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Positive Touch on December 30, 2015, 07:53:30 PM
I SOLD THEM TO THE WHITE SLAVERS
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: mormapope on December 30, 2015, 07:56:38 PM
You'd think the director of the classic Red Tails would be more concious about saying shit like that
 :letsfukk
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 30, 2015, 09:22:41 PM
Lucas is mighty salty that JJ Abrams jumped into his franchise and produced the best Star Wars movie in 30 years and it's going to make more money than all the prequel movies combined.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 30, 2015, 09:35:03 PM
:GOGE had three movies and decades to decide how to tell those Prequels, and they suck. They are not good movies, they aren't good Star Wars. They're great special effects fests, but nothing else.

TFA at least had me cheering and screaming during the film and still trying to figure stuff out after the credits rolled. JJ gets what young GL understood, but forgot as he became too much in control of his own environment.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 30, 2015, 09:47:29 PM
I just hope Lucas lives long enough to see Disney release the non-futzed with OG Trilogy on Blu-Ray (probably after Episode IX is released). :lawd
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 30, 2015, 10:24:54 PM
Quote
"They wanted to do a retro movie. I don't like that," the franchise's creator told Charlie Rose.

Star Wars creator George Lucas took a slight shot at The Walt Disney Company during a recent interview with Charlie Rose.

Lucas sold his space adventure franchise to Disney for $4 billion in 2012. The latest title released under the Disney moniker has already grossed more than $1 billion.

While talking to Rose about how much he loved the films he created and four of which he directed -- even calling them his "kids" -- Lucas said “I sold them to the white slavers that take these things, and…” Lucas did not finish his thought (49 minutes in to the clip below), but rather laughed before Rose moved on to another question.

Lucas went on to tell Rose he has accepted that the franchise is now in other hands, then he somewhat criticized the latest installment, The Force Awakens.

"They wanted to do a retro movie. I don't like that. Every movie, I worked very hard to make them different," Lucas told Rose. "I made them completely different -- different planets, different spaceships to make it new."

Before the deal came about, Lucas said he planned on writing and directing the sequels to his original trilogy. Then the sale occurred. Disney was not interested in his ideas for the follow-ups, so he stayed away from the production of Force Awakens, he said.

"They weren’t that keen to have me involved anyway, but if I get in there, I’m just going to cause trouble, because they’re not going to do what I want them to do. And I don’t have the control to do that anymore, and all I would do is muck everything up,” he said. “And so I said, ‘OK, I will go my way, and I’ll let them go their way.’”

The latest installment has been a massive success and will likely become the highest grossing film of all time.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/george-lucas-quips-he-sold-851545

:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 30, 2015, 10:28:57 PM
You'd think the director of the classic Red Tails would be more concious about saying shit like that
 :letsfukk

Red Tails is actually pretty solid.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 30, 2015, 10:53:47 PM
Saw it tonight with my dad and brother. It was ok. Basically it's what I expected upon learning JJ Abrams was directing it: a film almost entirely built upon nostalgia with little identity of its own. Perhaps this is what we deserve, given that Star Wars fans and nerds have been demanding absolute worship of the OT for decades. Well Abrams remade A New Hope for you, enjoy.

It's not a bad film. It's entertaining on many levels. But at the same time it reminds me of a cover band, or one of those rappers people hype as "90s-like." Imitators can be cool but at some point you hit a critical mass of just too much "hey remember this?" So by the time a small group of rebel (err resistance?) fighters raced against time to destroy a mega weapon planet I had had enough.

I like the new characters at least. Finn seems cool, as does Rey. Poe has a lot of potential, but is probably the least developed of the three. Going into the film I assumed Kylo Ren would be Vader 2.0, and suck. In reality that couldn't be farther from the truth. I thought he was the most interesting new character. He's not a badass, or the type of antagonist you'd expect in a film like this. He's a pretty tortured character who seems to have some potential for moral complexity. He's also somewhat sympathetic, even after killing you know who. Legit interested in seeing how this plays out now that he'll be training with the Big Bad.

Perhaps the biggest problem with the film is the plotting/writing. This is a film that presents one coincidence after another. I can buy some coincidences in film/tv/books but again...by the time Han just so happened to lead the party to a bar where Luke's lightsaber just to happened to be...I was done.

Speaking of plotting...there's very little. Even less worldbuilding. The film feels kind of empty. It shows us stuff we've seen before, with the names changed, but doesn't really build on any of it. There's a Republic, and a Resistance for some reason. The First Order arose from the death of the Empire. Ok...well give me some more info on...oh there is none...well nevermind. At least the prequels gave us some lore and expanded on things hinted at in the OT.

Final verdict: far better than the prequels, and there's nothing as bad as Ewoks here. But ROTJ had multiple iconic, amazing scenes from the opening to the Endor battle to Luke v Vader. I'm not sure this film has a single scene or moment that truly wowed me. There's some cool stuff here, of course. But nothing amazing.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on December 30, 2015, 11:04:17 PM
#teamkylorenforever
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 30, 2015, 11:22:05 PM
Star Wars has always been about coincidences PD. a droid that happens to belong to Leia to search for Obi Wan lands on the same planet as him. Not only that, but the droid is sold to the would be savior of the Galaxy on a whim, who just happens to know  the same guy that R2 is looking for who the droid's master - Luke's twin sister.

Everything about Star Wars sits upon these series of coincidences. Why is Rey and Finn being taken to the same place where Luke's lightsaber is bad, but the Millenium Falcon just happening upon the Death Star - which just happens to have the very princess they're trying to rescue - somehow good? No one has yet managed to answer this for me.

Star Wars has always been coincidental bullshit ruled by destiny. It's why half of the complaints for TFA make no sense to me: because most of the large ones like yours already exist within the ordinal trilogy.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: helios on December 30, 2015, 11:25:53 PM
Star Wars has always been about coincidences PD. a droid that happens to belong to Leia to search for Obi Wan lands on the same planet as him.

They were going to the same planet anyway.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 30, 2015, 11:31:20 PM
Star Wars has always been about coincidences PD. a droid that happens to belong to Leia to search for Obi Wan lands on the same planet as him. Not only that, but the droid is sold to the would be savior of the Galaxy on a whim, who just happens to know  the same guy that R2 is looking for who the droid's master - Luke's twin sister.

Everything about Star Wars sits upon these series of coincidences. Why is Rey and Finn being taken to the same place where Luke's lightsaber is bad, but the Millenium Falcon just happening upon the Death Star - which just happens to have the very princess they're trying to rescue - somehow good? No one has yet managed to answer this for me.

Star Wars has always been coincidental bullshit ruled by destiny. It's why half of the complaints for TFA make no sense to me: because most of the large ones like yours already exist within the ordinal trilogy.
helios answered the first part

I think you're mistaking me with someone who is a Star Wars apologist or nerd. I like Star Wars because the first three movies are fun. They all have coincidences but I'm willing to overlook those when the film is getting other shit right. In the OT's case they're very well paced films, especially ESB, and hit more than they miss. Whereas TFA doesn't really accomplish anything outside of aping the tone of the OT, and some well done action scenes. There's nothing there to make me not think about the coincidences, rehashed plot points, etc.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on December 30, 2015, 11:34:43 PM
PD on the money. A shining light in the dark, like the specular off of his noire derriere in your ceiling mirror as he goes at it hammer and tong.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 30, 2015, 11:35:34 PM
Doesn't matter.

Two droid's searching for Obi Wan happen upon a would be Jedi, strong in the force.

Who just happens to know Obi Wan.

Who just happens to know Leia - Luke's sister.

Who just happens to be imprisoned by Darth Vader - Luke and Leia's father.

They hitch a ride on a crappy ship, trying to find a princess. They go into hyperdrive escaping the ships on Tatooine and when they get out they just happen to be at the exact place where the princess is kept and is the enemy's super secret weapon.

Star Wars has always been coincidental as fuck. The first episodes anyways.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 30, 2015, 11:42:54 PM
Another thing: the score is almost completely forgettable.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on December 30, 2015, 11:47:43 PM
I remember all those shots in the trailer of the derelict ruins of the empire setting me off to think they might actually do something interesting and explore a crumbling galaxy, ideologically divided between destitute anarchy and the promise of a new imperial order.

Not the most advanced or original concept, but a little bit of world building would've gone a long way to establishing the legitimacy of the universe inbetween the zingers and call backs.

I didn't need it to be war and peace, but it did need to go alot further to be convincing. in every direction I felt like I could touch the edges of the world it presented.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 31, 2015, 12:07:05 AM
It's not coincidence, it's the force!  >:( R2D2 is a force adept droid ;)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 31, 2015, 12:08:28 AM
Sigh

Movie kicked ass; PD hates fun
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 31, 2015, 12:12:32 AM
Honestly couldn't read his post because my eyes were rolling too hard after "Perhaps this is what we deserve ... " to focus on the text long enough to take it seriously
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mandark on December 31, 2015, 12:16:42 AM
I accepted the coincidences in ANH a lot more readily, but I'm pretty sure it's cause I was seven.

Not the most advanced or original concept, but a little bit of world building would've gone a long way to establishing the legitimacy of the universe inbetween the zingers and call backs.

Same for me, but I understand why it wasn't a priority.  This was a project to relaunch a big corporate brand, win back some audience goodwill, and provide a bridge to the characters who would carry the next few movies.  They decided to stuff the movie itself with action sequences, callbacks, and jokes, and make the world-building accessible through comics and "canon novels" to the nerds who would really care about that stuff.  It's very, very 2015.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 31, 2015, 12:20:43 AM
So basically TFA is Walking With A Panther, specifically Going Back To Cali. Oh man Rick Rubin is back and everything is gonna be back to normal. Then you hear the rest of the album.

So the next movie will be Mama Said Knock You Out
::lawd
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mandark on December 31, 2015, 12:30:34 AM
So basically TFA is Walking With A Panther, specifically Going Back To Cali. Oh man Rick Rubin is back and everything is gonna be back to normal. Then you hear the rest of the album.

White version of this metaphor:  Whatever country album Garth Brooks released after the whole Chris Gaines... thing.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 31, 2015, 01:08:57 AM
I'm trying my hardest to make a Coldplay or U2 alternative metaphor for the white version of this.
:stahp
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mr Gilhaney on December 31, 2015, 01:14:48 AM
such whine

much butthurt

GEORGE

wow

He's not really complaining at all if you watch the video. He is joking for a few good minutes, comparing Star Wars to his kids, to his ex and then... Badly, as slaves. But he is laughing the whole way through and saying he knew this would happen, and he accepted from the beginning to not have anything to do with the movie, as he would mess it up too much.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 31, 2015, 01:16:14 AM
I'm trying my hardest to make a Coldplay or U2 alternative metaphor for the white version of this.
:stahp

TFA is Win, Lose or Draw and Episode VIII is Enlightened Rogues.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 31, 2015, 04:09:08 AM
PD complaining about JJ Wars lacking identity while eating at authentic italian experience Olive Garden with his dad and brother
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: helios on December 31, 2015, 07:57:17 AM

Who just happens to know Obi Wan.
Because Obi Wan has been watching over him in a neglectful dad sort of way.

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Who just happens to know Leia.
Because he was there when she was born. And given to a group of people who opposed the Empire from the start. Leia didn't know him. She was just told by her father that Obi Wan is a cool guy.

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Who just happens to be imprisoned by Darth Vader
Rebel scum being imprisoned is a coincidence now?

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They hitch a ride on a crappy ship, trying to find a princess. They go into hyperdrive escaping the ships on Tatooine and when they get out they just happen to be at the exact place where the princess is kept and is the enemy's super secret weapon.
They were not in search of the Princess; they were going to Alderaan to deliver the Death Star plans like Leia wanted. The coincidence happens when the Empire decides to use its super weapon on Alderaan right before the MF got there. When they get pulled into the Death Star, they are looking for a way to escape. They only go rescue Leia after R2 found her in the Death Star's system.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bork on December 31, 2015, 08:42:29 AM
There's a theater in Atlanta that has first showing of the day for $4.25.

:rejoice

Which theater?

North Dekalb Mall. Pretty far from where you're at if I remember correctly?

Ah, yeah, I think so.  I'm out in Dunwoody.  I saw Star Wars at LaFont Sandy Springs.  They have huge home theater-style bucket seats with footrests and alcohol on tap. 
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: brawndolicious on December 31, 2015, 09:11:28 AM
Star Wars is this is other galaxy with different laws of physics and magic shit that you're not supposed to believe works the same as our world. Like the difference between Harry Potter and Star Trek.

You don't suspend your disbelief because of how well organized the world building details are but because it's cool mofos.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 31, 2015, 11:21:18 AM
But this film wasn't cool. It felt like fan fiction. As I said I'd be fine with the holes if there was something awesome or concrete to focus on instead, but in the absence of that I had little else to do but be annoyed. It's not a bad movie. But I can only take so many calculated nostalgia blasts.

The Starkiller thing almost felt inconsequential. Like it was something thrown in because a climax of Kylo dueling two noobs wasn't enough. Speaking of the duel, I thought the force didn't work that way, as Han said. Ren channeling the force to go toe to toe with a competent semi trained sith struck me as quite convenient as well.

The film has arguably one of the worst climaxes of the series. Firmly behind the OT and ROTS (Obi Wan v Anakin) in that regard.

I'm guessing the next film will attempt to be ESB on steroids. I just hope the twist isn't that Ren is Luke's daughter. Kylo training should be cool, and I wonder what Luke is like now. And who knows, maybe there will be a battle on a snow planet :doge


Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 31, 2015, 12:09:00 PM
Im not sure if you are trolling PD

I think you came into the movie with a certain mindset, as you say the movie is as you imagined a JJ SW would be, and then just looked for arguements to support that view.

I didn't think about the movie at all before I went to see it, didn't imagine anything, with an open mind I had a blast in the cinema.I just wanted it not to suck like the lifeless prequels (which somehow you praise twice in your analysis lol),

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 31, 2015, 12:40:48 PM
How could you not expect nostalgia retreads from Abrams going in, given his track record? Outside of that I went in figuring it had to be better than the prequels, and it was. As I said it's not bad. My problem is that it doesn't feel original at all. But clearly this is what Star Wars fans wanted. A new New Hope. Hell the next film will feature Rey training with a long lost Jedi master...who wants to bet she'll abandon her training early to save Finn?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 31, 2015, 12:53:23 PM
Hell the next film will feature Rey training with a long lost Jedi master

The only person in the world who didn't think Jedi training would happen in the middle movie of this trilogy before even seeing the movie is you, apparently.

And she won't abandon her training. She's nothing like Luke.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 31, 2015, 01:01:17 PM
such whine

much butthurt

GEORGE

wow


He's not really complaining at all if you watch the video. He is joking for a few good minutes, comparing Star Wars to his kids, to his ex and then... Badly, as slaves. But he is laughing the whole way through and saying he knew this would happen, and he accepted from the beginning to not have anything to do with the movie, as he would mess it up too much.


I don't know. I get a passive aggressive tone to everything he says and does. Which is especially odd to me since he's the one who sold it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: G The Resurrected on December 31, 2015, 01:16:37 PM
I'm excited to rewatch the movie today. I didn't think I would be, but here I am going to SF just to see it in LAZER IMAX!

I guess that means the movie was good?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 31, 2015, 01:29:56 PM
The film has arguably one of the worst climaxes of the series. Firmly behind the OT and ROTS (Obi Wan v Anakin) in that regard.

Not sure why you put ROTS in there. That shit was awful. Overly long. Overly indulgent. And a pretty dumb setup. I would potentially agree with all of the original trilogy but none of that prequel shit.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: brawndolicious on December 31, 2015, 01:38:06 PM
I would take unlimited calculated nostalgia blasts to the face if I like the setting and everything else about it is well made. Just look at everyone playing Battlefront 3.

The next movie will probably have Luke sulking about how bad he failed his family and Rey will tell him he used to be a bad ass but now he's a coward who runs away. Then Luke will be like no, Ren kidnapped you and abandoned you on Jakku.  :ohhh

And Han doesn't know how the force really works. That's why he sent his kid to Jedi boarding school. He probably just didn't want to hurt Finn's feelings by telling him he has no force.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 31, 2015, 01:44:22 PM
I seriously need clarification on this, PD.

You really thought that a movie called The Force Awakens, that has Mark Hammill as Luke Skywalker, won't have him in the movies in the capacity of a teacher that will teach the new generation?

What did you expect Mark Hammil's role to be in the new trilogy when it was announced he was on board? If Luke wasn't going to be a teacher in the middle movie, he was going to be one in the first or third movie. But for real, serious question: what did you expect?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 31, 2015, 01:57:39 PM
I seriously need clarification on this, PD.

You really thought that a movie called The Force Awakens, that has Mark Hammill as Luke Skywalker, won't have him in the movies in the capacity of a teacher that will teach the new generation?

What did you expect Mark Hammil's role to be in the new trilogy when it was announced he was on board? If Luke wasn't going to be a teacher in the middle movie, he was going to be one in the first or third movie. But for real, serious question: what did you expect?

Did I expect it? Yes. I have no problem with plot points or tropes that harkon back to the past films, when handled well. But as I've said multiple times, the problem arises when the film becomes little more than a collection of call backs, homages, and "hey remember that" moments. Rey's inevitable training with Luke now becomes just another moment like that.



Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 31, 2015, 01:59:45 PM
I don't why all the call backs are so bad beyond the death star one, or why you think it'll play out just like ESB even though JJ isn't directing Ep 8. JJ is the fanboy director, but he's not the only director.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 31, 2015, 02:03:34 PM
Has the trilogy been generally planned out already, storytelling wise, or has Abrams simply worked on the story of one film? Ultimately the script is the problem with TFA, not the directing. I'd be curious to know who is writing the next one.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mupepe on December 31, 2015, 02:07:45 PM
I think Rian Johnson is.  Luke speaking like he's from Brick is going to rock.  :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 31, 2015, 02:10:07 PM
Has the trilogy been generally planned out already, storytelling wise, or has Abrams simply worked on the story of one film? Ultimately the script is the problem with TFA, not the directing. I'd be curious to know who is writing the next one.

Be honest, you just wanna know if there's Rey x Finn IR before the end of the trilogy.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 31, 2015, 02:11:56 PM
Has the trilogy been generally planned out already, storytelling wise, or has Abrams simply worked on the story of one film? Ultimately the script is the problem with TFA, not the directing. I'd be curious to know who is writing the next one.

They make the films separately as a collaborative effort I think.

Rian Johnson didn't start working on the 8 until he saw rough cuts of TFA I think.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 31, 2015, 02:12:46 PM
Rian Johnson ok. Abrams exec producing, which means he'll be involved in the writing process on some level.

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Speaking to The LA Times, he said: ‘These movies will all be so different. [Episode 8 director] Rian Johnson is a friend of mine — he’s going to make some weird thing.
http://metro.co.uk/2015/12/30/star-wars-screenwriter-says-episode-8-is-going-to-be-weird-so-be-prepared-everyone-5592652/#ixzz3vvYKr3bN

I'm cool with that.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 31, 2015, 02:15:40 PM
The script is already written and JJ said he wish he wrote he wrote it.

Executive producers are execs. They have nothing to do with writing.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 31, 2015, 02:16:39 PM
exec producers have influence over everything...
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on December 31, 2015, 02:17:56 PM
Execs have influence, but you said "which means he'll be involved in the writing process" as if he's going to be joining in with the writing team.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: helios on December 31, 2015, 02:26:53 PM
Execs give notes on the script (and everything else). It's not the writer's script; it's the studio's. If the studio wants something changed in the script, it will be changed. The writer just has to make it work.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on December 31, 2015, 06:04:37 PM
Idk about that worst climax in series bit when the forest saber fight is literally the best saber fight in the series since Empire. And I liked Anakin vs Obi Wan on the lava despite how fucking goofy it was. Really great choice on JJ/Kasdan/DP's part to pick an environment where almost everything would react to their sabers just as a last fuck you to Lucas.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Shadow Mod on January 01, 2016, 03:19:05 PM
Saw it.

Was entertaining enough and I had fun.

Nerds gotta dissect the shit out of it though I guess.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: CatsCatsCats on January 01, 2016, 06:38:55 PM
I'm sorry I'm gonna need you to rate it as the second coming or Armageddon
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 01, 2016, 06:45:26 PM
Saw it.

Was entertaining enough and I had fun.

Nerds gotta dissect the shit out of it though I guess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVzc20Bm8Xo
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on January 01, 2016, 08:18:37 PM
Saw that yesterday and I died laughing when they got to the "budget cuts".   :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 01, 2016, 08:20:30 PM
I lost it at "The newly-renamed Emperor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center" :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on January 01, 2016, 08:21:31 PM
That was pretty great as well. :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on January 01, 2016, 08:44:49 PM
VitaPaste  :drool
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on January 02, 2016, 12:16:44 AM
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Shadow Mod on January 02, 2016, 04:37:55 AM
I lost it at "The newly-renamed Emperor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center" :lol :lol :lol

Just got around to watching it, omg, why...

Like a real politician Palpatine didn't fund it well too lmao
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 04, 2016, 05:13:10 AM
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 04, 2016, 09:49:22 PM
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on January 04, 2016, 11:58:48 PM
so I was rewatching ANH earlier today and it really just did so much better getting you up to date with what's been going down in their world and the whole politics side. TFA copied a lot from ANH, but maybe not the right parts. it's not that hard get the audience current without a bunch of shitty exposition either.

I still like TFA and I think I'll like it more on second viewing, but it left a bit too much to be desired.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on January 05, 2016, 02:41:22 AM
ANH? The movie where the main characters just happen to find the bad guys lair out of sheer luck that happens to house the princess they're looking for? That felt large?

:lol

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: brawndolicious on January 05, 2016, 03:06:01 AM
A New Hope felt like an old (poorly aged) movie when I saw it so I gave it a pass for not explaining to us why there's a princess fighting a dude in a cape since it was just a really cool and fun world.

ANH? The movie where the main characters just happen to find the bad guys lair out of sheer luck that happens to house the princess they're looking for? That felt large?
:lol

Luke fiddles with R2 and he accidentally poops out the top secret encrypted message that says "go to Alderaan to save the world fuckboys" so since he's all turned on and his aunt/uncle are dead he grabs Solo and they head to Alderaan but they get there a little late and the Death Star grabs them right there. It's not brilliant writing but it explains everything.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mandark on January 05, 2016, 03:21:11 AM
so I was rewatching ANH earlier today and it really just did so much better getting you up to date with what's been going down in their world and the whole politics side.

I don't think that's really true.  The politics in ANH are so simple and archetypical (big evil empire vs. small good resistance) that they didn't demand as much explaining.  "The senate is dissolved, control will be given to the regional governors" isn't terribly illuminating, but did the audience even need that much?

Plus we were all like seven years old.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: brawndolicious on January 05, 2016, 03:33:22 AM
Yeah I remember being confused as a kid why Princess Leia was fighting the emperor who was probably her dad or something. They didn't really explain that royalty stuff too well in the original trilogy but the second trilogy showed that her mom was the youngest democratically elected queen of Naboo and her adoptive father was a senator which explained everything.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on January 05, 2016, 10:06:34 AM
A New Hope felt like an old (poorly aged) movie when I saw it so I gave it a pass for not explaining to us why there's a princess fighting a dude in a cape since it was just a really cool and fun world.

ANH? The movie where the main characters just happen to find the bad guys lair out of sheer luck that happens to house the princess they're looking for? That felt large?
:lol

Luke fiddles with R2 and he accidentally poops out the top secret encrypted message that says "go to Alderaan to save the world fuckboys" so since he's all turned on and his aunt/uncle are dead he grabs Solo and they head to Alderaan but they get there a little late and the Death Star grabs them right there. It's not brilliant writing but it explains everything.

I didn't say it didn't explain everything.

Everything is explained but saying the scope is large? ANH feels like a cramped universe where everything is a coincidence. I'm not seeing how it's more large or feels more large than TFA.

And yeah, like I argued a few pages back, I was 11 when I watched that movie. So we have different expectations as adults but the reality is that Jack and shit have changed. Except our standards.


Yeah I remember being confused as a kid why Princess Leia was fighting the emperor who was probably her dad or something. They didn't really explain that royalty stuff too well in the original trilogy but the second trilogy showed that her mom was the youngest democratically elected queen of Naboo and her adoptive father was a senator which explained everything.

I didn't understand how Leia is a princess when her father isn't a king. If the emperor is the emperor how is she a princess? ???

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on January 05, 2016, 11:34:41 AM
mods help, https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/3zglnb/star_wars_fans_that_didnt_like_the_force_awakens/

1000+ odd comments there. not sure you'll be able to set them all straight but i'm sure you'll give it a go.

have fun mate.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: CatsCatsCats on January 05, 2016, 11:43:46 AM
Her adoptive father was king, of Alderaan.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on January 05, 2016, 12:06:55 PM
mods help, https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/3zglnb/star_wars_fans_that_didnt_like_the_force_awakens/

1000+ odd comments there. not sure you'll be able to set them all straight but i'm sure you'll give it a go.

have fun mate.

:lol

It's not that serious. You seem to be taking it more seriously than me, mate.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 05, 2016, 12:08:09 PM
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/01/04/star-wars-monopoly-game-criticized-wheres-rey

Trigger warning for mods help
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on January 05, 2016, 12:27:05 PM
It is pretty dumb and bad. What am I to say exactly? :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 05, 2016, 01:29:08 PM
Is Maz that little alien? Agree 100% there Wrath. No connection with her
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on January 05, 2016, 01:35:21 PM
Got the chance to see it again with my lil bro this time. He liked it and his opinion almost exactly mirrors mine in that he likes it but he's not sure yet. It's also growing on him more as he thinks about just like it happened with me.  :lol

For me, I liked it more. Mostly because I started noticing more potential in it. Specifically Kylo Ren, I like that he's a dweeb a little more now(even though I still find it kinda grating) but it feels like a lot of it could be elevated or drop down here by the sequels. I still really like the movie, but if the sequel somehow fucks up it will most definitely take this movie down a few pegs. I trust in Johnson so I'm not worried, hell I'm mostly excited at the possibilities we were left with.

The only real weak points to me this go around is Leia's delivery, but it doesn't bother me as much this time around. The weakest part was honestly Maz or whatever her name is. She's just meh.

I still get the ANH similarities thing but I started to think it was more of a remix of the first two in the OT with its own flavor. I'm still really happy with it. Great movie.

My big hope for Ren going forward is they play up that even though he's had more training than say Rey, he just really lacks a lot of discipline maybe even less than other "knights of ren." A good contrast for rey this way since she spent all that time alone surviving she's much more tempered than he is. You can see that a little in FA imo, like when she doesn't accept the food bribe for the droid and later when she politely turns down Han's offer even though she wants it. I hope the humbling he got at the end of the movie opens them up to show him getting more training alongside Rey's training. That'd be cool.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on January 05, 2016, 01:38:09 PM
i think that's what we're probably going to get: two students growing at the same time. shit sounds exciting.

and fuck maz. waste of lupita.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: brawndolicious on January 05, 2016, 05:42:36 PM
Her adoptive father was king, of Alderaan.

Are the Alderaanian  kings democratically elected? And why might an Alderaanite be allowed to hold two positions? He might have the power to gerrymander the Alderaaner vote.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 05, 2016, 08:49:50 PM
http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-george-awakens

It's a pretty good, concise evaluation, overall!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 06, 2016, 12:27:01 AM
http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-george-awakens

It's a pretty good, concise evaluation, overall!

It's a load of butt tonguing horseshit is what it is.

Lucas is a butthurt turdburglar, he was never a good director, and any- ANY- attempt to lessen the crime that those cinematic abortion prequels committed can be ignored out of hand. Article is complete dreck, and it's no coincidence that two of the writers it cites as being favorable towards Lucas after TFA are Suderman and Douthat, a moron libertopian and a moron conservative.

I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. Good day, sir.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: brob on January 06, 2016, 12:55:40 AM
rofl at George bigging himself up over the editing in the old star wars films like Marcia was erased from the world at their divorce
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 06, 2016, 01:01:32 AM
Nearly on par with GRRM's recent output, even
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mandark on January 06, 2016, 01:03:53 AM
http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-george-awakens

It's a pretty good, concise evaluation, overall!

Shorter version: People gave Lucas a lot of shit cause of the prequels, but what if they didn't count?  Then he's looking pretty good, huh?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 06, 2016, 01:10:20 AM
Yeah, I take it as "he was a visionary filmmaker and JJ's tribute emphasized this." No-one needs those shit Prequels though.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 06, 2016, 01:35:36 AM
I honestly don't think he's a very good director. I'd probably rate his films ANH>THX>AG. I honestly don't like American Graffiti like, at all.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 06, 2016, 01:42:18 AM
I've always been on the side of George Lucas was a great director who basically stopped working on his craft after Jedi and the later part of his career is directly the result of that. He also seemed to lose that ability to understand critical evaluation of his work from outside sources. It all seemed like one giant bubble.

There are a lot of narratives rolling around with the relaunch of Star Wars and everybody seems to be spinning their particular angle very hard.

The most dominant one seems to be that Lucas was a visionary and JJ is just an imitator with nothing new to really add other than rehashing the nostalgia which corresponds to the new film and the old films While that is overly simplistic at best I get the small-ish nugget of truth in it. JJ is no kubrick or maverick filmmaker. But maybe new Star Wars would have always felt like a rebooting of the themes and tones of the old movies. You also can't ignore the fact that it had to be that way. Lucas so fucked it that this had to be this kind of film to clean the slate. And its also pretty lame to knock a good movie like the Force Awakens with "its all rehashed shit". That's too simplistic too. 

People are too close to it right now. Give it 5 years or so especially after the next movie and more intelligent analysis of the whole thing with some hindsight will be better served.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on January 06, 2016, 02:39:00 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/z0x8y7x.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on January 06, 2016, 03:16:58 AM
They just look sorta similar. I think Snoke is something new and definitely not sith. At least not in the way we know sith to be.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 06, 2016, 06:49:34 AM
The best theory I've heard so far is the Grand Inquisitor from the REBELS tv show.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 06, 2016, 12:50:55 PM
I have a ton of respect for young George Lucas and what he accomplished in his early career: THX-1138, American Graffiti, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, legitimizing space opera and kick starting a brand-new wave of science fiction. But let's get real, the best thing he's done for the Star Wars franchise in nearly 30 years is selling it off to somebody else. The awfulness of ANH's special edition, the cinematic abortion that was the PT, and his role in dragging down the Indiana Jones franchise, as well, aren't things that just go away.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 06, 2016, 01:57:13 PM
I honestly don't think he's a very good director. I'd probably rate his films ANH>THX>AG. I honestly don't like American Graffiti like, at all.

Dude's imagination got him a few billion dollars. Your imagination got you a wet dream.

 :point
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 06, 2016, 01:57:59 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/z0x8y7x.jpg)

Okay so after he turned to help Luke he decided to turn back and be a bad guy again? Nah I ain't buying it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: CatsCatsCats on January 06, 2016, 02:07:52 PM
Midichlorian symbiote born of Vader's suit, duh
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 06, 2016, 02:12:15 PM
Midichlorian symbiote born of Vader's suit, duh

Star wars can't even build a fucking transporter or a machine that can cobble earl grey out of matter. C'mon man.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: CatsCatsCats on January 06, 2016, 02:23:15 PM
Yeah but it's Disney now, so is marvel, clearly venom got all up in Vader's suit, how aren't you following?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 06, 2016, 02:24:14 PM
Yeah but it's Disney now, so is marvel, clearly venom got all up in Vader's suit, how aren't you following?

Just force pour him into space. Problem solved.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 06, 2016, 02:41:35 PM
Yeah but it's Disney now, so is marvel, clearly venom got all up in Vader's suit, how aren't you following?

(https://media.giphy.com/media/6nyWBa3bVwqvC/giphy.gif)

Darn you wimmin and blacks, always blowin up my death stars!!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 07, 2016, 11:19:29 PM
TFA just passed Avatar at the domestic box office, on a normal weekday where it made $6 million.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on January 07, 2016, 11:28:10 PM
it's definitely vader
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on January 07, 2016, 11:38:28 PM
Those scars aren't even in the same place. :beli
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2016, 12:05:48 AM
if that's true  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: CatsCatsCats on January 08, 2016, 12:11:26 AM
But ghost anakin  ???

Still haven't seen this :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 08, 2016, 08:42:42 AM
if that's true  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

We're talking about Star Wars fan speculation here, the same group of people who gave serious consideration to the idea that Jar Jar Binks was actually a sith lord.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on January 08, 2016, 09:44:19 AM
if that's true  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

We're talking about Star Wars fan speculation here, the same group of people who gave serious consideration to the idea that Jar Jar Binks was actually a sith lord.

Wait they were serious about that? I thought it was a meme.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 08, 2016, 10:09:56 AM
if that's true  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

We're talking about Star Wars fan speculation here, the same group of people who gave serious consideration to the idea that Jar Jar Binks was actually a sith lord.

Wait they were serious about that? I thought it was a meme.

It was. Then people took it seriously.

"It was George's plan all along!" "So THAT'S who 'the phantom menace' is!" "Even the mocap actor confirms it!"
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 08, 2016, 10:32:07 AM
It's pretty obvious that Supreme Leader Snoke is Gollum. It looks just like him!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2016, 11:09:30 AM
The twist is that Luke is an undercover Sith who will turn Rey to the dark side. Meanwhile Kylo will continue to struggle with his feelings and turn good, barely escaping Snoke's lair alive. Rey kills Poe to complete her training. Emotions get in the way as she tries to kill Finn, then Kylo saves him at the last minute. The movie ends with Kylo being imprisoned by the rebellion as Finn tries to vouch for him.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on January 08, 2016, 12:30:36 PM
Read this, guys.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/matty-granger/at-long-lastmy-star-wars-episode-vii-review-the-force-awakens-the-rise-of-idiot-/10153163095086277
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mandark on January 08, 2016, 12:34:38 PM
that's someone fisking a listicle

it's a fucking fisticle
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 08, 2016, 12:40:47 PM
Mandark's insane hatred of fisking

:lawd
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on January 08, 2016, 12:41:17 PM
that's someone fisking a listicle

it's a fucking fisticle

It's pretty good though.

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4. Rey becomes nearly as effective a Force-user in a few hours as Luke Skywalker did in a few years.


Yeah.  Makes you wonder why doesn’t it?  Kinda feels like we’re being set up for something in the future.  I wonder if we’ll ever find out about her mysterious past and her mystical connection to the Force and Luke Skywalker?  If you don’t understand that this is set-up for future films, then you should have your Netflix password taken away from you.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 08, 2016, 12:45:18 PM
Read this, guys.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/matty-granger/at-long-lastmy-star-wars-episode-vii-review-the-force-awakens-the-rise-of-idiot-/10153163095086277

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Well, I've waited a few weeks to write my “Star Wars: The Force Awakens” review and finally, after multiple viewings and numerous vibrant discussions, I feel that I’m ready to give this movie the review it truly deserves.

No one cares, shut up.

Fuck I hate anything written that starts with this. Go bury the lede up your ass next time instead and save us the trouble (though it'll be hard with your head already occupying that space.)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2016, 01:04:15 PM
My parents LOVED the movie. Whereas two of my brothers and myself basically had the same meh response.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 08, 2016, 03:31:03 PM
(http://45.media.tumblr.com/6458a8f5fec68d334a0445e3c2fecc8a/tumblr_nztvcoMdYY1r9md50o1_500.gif)

(http://57.media.tumblr.com/77b3b7178c2881167c793a8f51aa0c96/tumblr_nztvcoMdYY1r9md50o2_500.gif)

(http://45.media.tumblr.com/16b2b30386785a324cf162b95a20b36a/tumblr_nztvcoMdYY1r9md50o3_500.gif)

(http://41.media.tumblr.com/b63d997a0849ee20ee1824d2e238838a/tumblr_inline_nztvbirvni1r5w7yb_500.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on January 08, 2016, 06:13:16 PM
its vader guys
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 08, 2016, 06:13:54 PM
Read this, guys.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/matty-granger/at-long-lastmy-star-wars-episode-vii-review-the-force-awakens-the-rise-of-idiot-/10153163095086277

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Well, I've waited a few weeks to write my “Star Wars: The Force Awakens” review and finally, after multiple viewings and numerous vibrant discussions, I feel that I’m ready to give this movie the review it truly deserves.

No one cares, shut up.

Fuck I hate anything written that starts with this. Go bury the lede up your ass next time instead and save us the trouble (though it'll be hard with your head already occupying that space.)

That HuffPo article/list is pretty awful, though.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: brawndolicious on January 08, 2016, 06:58:07 PM
Going with the Nazi theme, I think that Snoke was just a low level officer in the Imperial army at the time of the Battle of Endor who got pissed off at the Republic and the Jedis. Hence, the kristallnacht of the Jedi academy and the build up of arms and superweapons. Snoke is Hitler.

Think about it:
If you rearrange snoke you get kones which could be a reference to WW1 German helmets.... :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on January 08, 2016, 08:39:19 PM
how dare you call Lord Vader a low level officer!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on January 08, 2016, 09:14:08 PM
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/95c88b536ca958d9621094677071a203/tumblr_o0nfv9cJta1qewacoo1_540.jpg)

https://www.instagram.com/briankesinger/
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on January 08, 2016, 09:26:58 PM
Read this, guys.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/matty-granger/at-long-lastmy-star-wars-episode-vii-review-the-force-awakens-the-rise-of-idiot-/10153163095086277

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I don’t know about the rest of you but I’ve grown exhausted with the horseshit, hater culture that online, millennial ‘journalists’ use to click-bait their way to some sort of self-perceived intellectual high ground.  Hate first.  Don’t bother asking questions later.

did you write this?

it's awful mate.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Trent Dole on January 08, 2016, 09:54:36 PM
Get angry over critical reactions to kiddie sci fi films brehs
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 08, 2016, 10:05:10 PM
Read this, guys.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/matty-granger/at-long-lastmy-star-wars-episode-vii-review-the-force-awakens-the-rise-of-idiot-/10153163095086277

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Well, I've waited a few weeks to write my “Star Wars: The Force Awakens” review and finally, after multiple viewings and numerous vibrant discussions, I feel that I’m ready to give this movie the review it truly deserves.

No one cares, shut up.

Fuck I hate anything written that starts with this. Go bury the lede up your ass next time instead and save us the trouble (though it'll be hard with your head already occupying that space.)

That HuffPo article/list is pretty awful, though.

Well it's HuffPo, so obviously.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on January 09, 2016, 01:59:20 PM
#teamkyloren
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(https://40.media.tumblr.com/810c5117cc06db6b5a8ee5b760feef63/tumblr_nzw4ksCWDW1uv6remo3_r1_1280.jpg)
(https://36.media.tumblr.com/03c787a539773faba8fd3686d998278a/tumblr_nzw4ksCWDW1uv6remo4_r1_1280.jpg)
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/41883d0dfb9c170105a6c6eec1e4a52d/tumblr_nzw4ksCWDW1uv6remo1_r1_1280.jpg)
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/01fc371376b7e4ce0e23385cf927a5b6/tumblr_nzw4ksCWDW1uv6remo2_r1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 09, 2016, 02:46:16 PM
#TeamChewbacca

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(http://i.imgur.com/u7HcWOx.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 09, 2016, 02:52:04 PM
:tocry
kylo ren yall :fbm
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Purrp Skirrp on January 10, 2016, 02:39:10 PM
Movie was okay.

The only great Star Wars film is ESB. That's 1 for 7.

Nerds need to stop victimizing others with their overhype and proselytizing.

Did we not learn anything from the Wii or the sinking of the Titanic?

Star Trek 2009 > Star Wars 2015
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 10, 2016, 03:37:01 PM
Nerds need to stop victimizing others with their overhype and proselytizing.

Uhh...nerds are hardly the only group with a very high opinion of TFA.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on January 10, 2016, 03:44:57 PM
Movie is the highest grossing film in American history.

Only nerds like it!

Good logic.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: mormapope on January 10, 2016, 03:58:32 PM
Nerds need to stop victimizing others with their overhype and proselytizing.

Uhh...nerds are hardly the only group with a very high opinion of TFA.

True, but nerds are the loudest when it comes to any product or piece of entertainment, in both a positive sense and negative sense.

Case in point, the Souls series is a great. But the small group of people that constantly prop Dark Souls 1 as a videogame jewel that's next to flawless will taint reasonable expectations that existed. And then you have Dark Souls 2, which is great, but its trash talked constantly by that small audience, so much so it would be easy to assume Dark Souls 2 is a Devil May Cry 2 type of sequel.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Positive Touch on January 10, 2016, 06:39:51 PM
hyperbolic backlash is in full swing
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Purrp Skirrp on January 10, 2016, 06:41:10 PM
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-force-awakens-is-the-least-interesting-star-wars-yet
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 10, 2016, 07:24:45 PM
it's more interesting than all the prequels. But I'd rather watch A New Hope than watch a remake  :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 10, 2016, 07:33:13 PM
The prequels did have some interesting world-building and lore, but they weren't interesting movies.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 10, 2016, 07:37:03 PM
Yea that's a good point. As movies they simply don't work and are not interesting/entertaining/etc. In terms of lore and world building they do more interesting things than this new film does.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 10, 2016, 07:44:00 PM
Yea that's a good point. As movies they simply don't work and are not interesting/entertaining/etc. In terms of lore and world building they do more interesting things than this new film does.

Prequels = AFfC

:jawalrus
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 10, 2016, 08:07:53 PM
Yea that's a good point. As movies they simply don't work and are not interesting/entertaining/etc. In terms of lore and world building they do more interesting things than this new film does.

Prequels = AFfC

:jawalrus

TFA = ADWD?  :dayum
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 10, 2016, 08:22:40 PM
Yea that's a good point. As movies they simply don't work and are not interesting/entertaining/etc. In terms of lore and world building they do more interesting things than this new film does.

Prequels = AFfC

:jawalrus

TFA = ADWD?  :dayum

TFA = Telltale's Game of Thrones Season 1 

:snob
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 10, 2016, 08:27:49 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2016, 07:34:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZM__vY9DIw&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 11, 2016, 07:37:42 PM
holy fuck :rofl
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 11, 2016, 07:50:21 PM
JESUS :rofl
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on January 11, 2016, 07:51:39 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/xgl7J4M.jpg?1)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Baiano19 on January 11, 2016, 07:53:51 PM
Jesus crhist  :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on January 11, 2016, 07:57:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZM__vY9DIw&feature=youtu.be

:rofl
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on January 11, 2016, 08:11:31 PM
Quote
Ravenkliff 2 hours ago
 What's funny is that ludicrous deal Qui Gon makes on the podrace bet is actually pretty in line with something frank would do.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 11, 2016, 09:05:32 PM
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1169348&page=1 (http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1169348&page=1)

(http://45.media.tumblr.com/f6251497804088ae69f3066479a84037/tumblr_nsmxfqI3bd1qkko3bo1_400.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 14, 2016, 08:11:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN74bOubUug

Sheeeiiiit. Actual good use of prequel footage.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 14, 2016, 08:23:21 PM
Really highlights how great of an actor Guinness was, and how important he was in lending legitimacy to the story as a whole.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 15, 2016, 11:25:06 AM
There's a rumor that Star Wars: Rogue One is going to have

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Darth Vader voiced by James Earl Jones.   :gladbron Supposedly a faithful recreation of the original suit has already been built.
[close]
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 15, 2016, 11:28:56 AM
:beli
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 15, 2016, 11:29:05 AM
I thought that actor was dead?

Edit- Guess not. Wow.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: brawndolicious on January 15, 2016, 11:29:35 AM
Really highlights how great of an actor Guinness was, and how important he was in lending legitimacy to the story as a whole.

He was the only actor who wanted a % of ANH proceeds rather than a wage because he thought it would be a hit. Everyone else, including Lucas, thought it would bomb. This is why he made $3 million rather than $25,000.

Pretty gutsy considering he gets killed in the movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on January 15, 2016, 11:42:07 AM
There's a rumor that Star Wars: Rogue One is going to have

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Darth Vader voiced by James Earl Jones.   :gladbron Supposedly a faithful recreation of the original suit has already been built.
[close]

Why did you spoiler this as if his image won't be on every cereal box months before the movie's release?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 15, 2016, 12:55:51 PM
They might be saving Jar-Jar's return for a surprise, I didn't want to ruin it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 16, 2016, 11:48:10 AM
http://www.thestarwarstrilogy.com/starwars/post/2016/01/15/Team-Negative-One-completes-35mm-Restoration-of-Star-Wars
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 16, 2016, 04:17:21 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/52QviY9.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Brehvolution on January 18, 2016, 03:03:24 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/NFal8e8KxBpTy/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 18, 2016, 04:03:42 PM
http://youtu.be/FaOSCASqLsE
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: pilonv1 on January 18, 2016, 07:31:20 PM
I thought that actor was dead?

Edit- Guess not. Wow.

If they somehow got him back - and I don't think he'd be interested given his very public complaints over the years - it'd be like how they got Mayhew in the costume but there's no way they had Mayhew do any action scenes... poor guy has such pain in his joints due to Marfan's.

What has he said about it?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on January 18, 2016, 07:44:38 PM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/20/does-darth-vader-actor-david-prowse-still-hate-star-wars.html
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Prowse, who was cast in the film based on little more than his 6’ 6” height, gave an exclusive interview last week to The Sun, saying, “I’ve only got one favourite memory of filming Star Wars and that is when my very first cheque arrived.”

“No one bothered to contact me about the new movie and to be honest I don’t care,” he added. “I don’t even own Darth Vader’s mask anymore.” Prowse also said that he prefers to be known as the Green Cross Code Man, a superhero character he played in various British road safety PSAs over the years.

“Those behind the film cut me out and have continued to ignore me for years,” Prowse said in the new interview. “So do I have any interest in watching the new movie? No, I don’t.”

Prowse, who is said to be suffering from memory loss and other physical ailments, claims not to know the origin of his feud with Lucas. But it almost certainly dates back to a speech he gave at UC Berkeley in 1978 in which he inadvertently spoiled the ending to The Empire Strikes Back, two years before it was released in theaters.

“Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker… are hooked up in a do-or-die lightsaber duel when Luke learned that Darth is, in fact, his long-lost father,’” Prowse told the audience.
“Father can’t kill son, son can’t kill father. So they live again to star in ‘Star Wars IV.’”
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But it was a subsequent documentary, 2010’s The People vs. George Lucas, that increased tensions between the two men. Prowse claims that he did not realize when he gave his interview to the filmmakers behind that project that he would be appearing in an anti-George Lucas movie. Shortly after, Prowse said he was banned from attending any official Star Wars fan conventions.

In the Sun interview, Prowse mostly just sounds like he feels left out of the revived Star Wars mania. “I have never had a call from anyone to be in the new movie,” he told The Sun. “Nobody even bothered to get in contact to ask me about my association with this movie.”

“There was no way I could come back as Darth Vader, as he was killed off, but it would have been nice to have been offered a part, irrespective of the role,” he continued. “It would have been really nice to continue with the Star Wars association.”

“When the new film was being made they had a big party to launch it and I never got invited,” he added.
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Prowse also released a statement calling the idea that he would not be seeing the film “total rubbish.” He added, “I wish nothing but the best for The Force Awakens and hope you enjoy seeing it too.”

His only negative comment about the film series came when someone asked what he was most looking forward to in the latest installment. “I’m hoping there are none of those damn Ewoks in this one,” he said.


As an aside, James Earl Jones is already voicing Vader in the animated Star Wars Rebels apparently.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 18, 2016, 07:45:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfQBdRcgizc

Was bored so I watched this last night. I had heard about it for awhile but not bothered until now. I remember watching the The Phantom Edit and a few other fan edits back when that stuff was originally in fashion for this movie. I remember not really liking them so much because despite their best intentions, the editing often left the movie feeling poorly paced and confusing even relative to the poorly paced and confusing original.

Despite the silly title I actually think this is probably the best cut of the film I've seen. I only originally intended to watch a few minutes of it but found myself interested enough to finish it. Obviously you can't fix the original sins that plague the movie. But you can create a path that removes some of the meandering and outright stupid random elements of the film. And this does a decent job of it.

I guess there is another cut that is also popular among the circle of fans of these things that I'll watch in a few years, the next time I'm curious.

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Star-Wars-Episode-I-Cloak-Of-Deception-Finished/id/15663

Also this one.

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/SW-EP-1-Shadow-of-the-Sith-by-L8wrtr/id/11778
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 19, 2016, 12:08:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfQBdRcgizc

Was bored so I watched this last night. I had heard about it for awhile but not bothered until now. I remember watching the The Phantom Edit and a few other fan edits back when that stuff was originally in fashion for this movie. I remember not really liking them so much because despite their best intentions, the editing often left the movie feeling poorly paced and confusing even relative to the poorly paced and confusing original.

Despite the silly title I actually think this is probably the best cut of the film I've seen. I only originally intended to watch a few minutes of it but found myself interested enough to finish it. Obviously you can't fix the original sins that plague the movie. But you can create a path that removes some of the meandering and outright stupid random elements of the film. And this does a decent job of it.

I guess there is another cut that is also popular among the circle of fans of these things that I'll watch in a few years, the next time I'm curious.

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Star-Wars-Episode-I-Cloak-Of-Deception-Finished/id/15663

Also this one.

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/SW-EP-1-Shadow-of-the-Sith-by-L8wrtr/id/11778

Yeah, I really enjoyed the improvements in the Anti-Cheese Ep. 1.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 19, 2016, 01:02:50 PM
If nothing else it's a testament to the power, and importance, of editing, an aspect of film-making that most people really don't give much thought to.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 19, 2016, 01:07:40 PM
Cutting Jar Jar appearances down to the minimum and removing that silly voice and having him speak an alien language that is subtitled are both good moves. It doesn't quite make sense to the logic of the movie of why they are hanging around with him for the rest of the movie but the original also has that problem. And simply removing his presence for much of the film is a big help. Removing the whole underwater bit is also good as that part is a complete nonsense adventure.

Like I said, I was actually able to follow the plot this time around without my mind wandering or being overly confused.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 19, 2016, 01:27:02 PM
It's stylistically designed to be that way though.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 19, 2016, 02:03:16 PM
Fan edits can only do so much.

They may have gone too far in a few places.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: brob on January 19, 2016, 02:11:14 PM
are there any good fan edits of star wars 2 or 3? There is a nice lil thing in 2 with obi wan being a noir detective, but it's not really meaty enough to sustain itself probably, but maybe some enterprising diehard could make something out of it? I can't really remember anything nice in 3 but lots of people seem to believe it is the best of the bad ones, so maybe there is something to salvage there as well?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 19, 2016, 02:12:19 PM
I don't look at it in this black or white way. I think fan edits are fun. It's more an exercise in breaking down a film and analyzing it via editing. I don't think anybody comes into these things expecting to turn crap into gold. You watch them because its a bit interesting to see if certain changes improve the experience or detract from the experience.

And rather than just verbally and mentally thinking about it, you get to watch a product that explores those things. Yep. Phantom Menace is no doubt a bad film. We can all agree on that. A fan edit is like a mod. It's like hey does this small tweak make something more or less interesting. That obviously doesn't interest the mass of people especially when its a bad movie for understandable reasons but I personally I get a lot out of it.

I actually got more understanding out of watching Phantom Menace this go around than I have before. Now whether watching Phantom Menace multiple times at all and whether that's worthwhile is a pretty good question. But hey, life is long. You gotta do something to waste it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 19, 2016, 02:15:31 PM
Fan edits can only do so much.

They may have gone too far in a few places.

I agree completely here. If a movie sucks than it sucks, you can't save it. All movies that were "saved" from the trash heap was due to way different reasons compared to the problems the prequels had.

You can't undo that, but we can diminish the effects of it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 19, 2016, 02:18:05 PM
Oh yeah I wasn't trying to shit on the practice of it, Stoney. Just don't really find it all that interesting myself.

No I get you. I was more explaining my mindset. It's also probably why I've watched those Red Letter Media reviews dozens of times. It's like scratching an itch that can never be fully resolved.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 19, 2016, 02:18:28 PM
Yeah I know, just not that appealing when the bad acting and dialogue is still there.

Jar Jar was the key to all this.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 19, 2016, 02:18:46 PM
Yeah I know, just not that appealing when the bad acting and dialogue is still there.

lol. I think tasty is just making Lucas references.  ;)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 19, 2016, 02:23:16 PM
Yeah I know, just not that appealing when the bad acting and dialogue is still there.

lol. I think tasty is just making Lucas references.  ;)

It's like poetry, sort of. They rhyme.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 19, 2016, 08:17:28 PM
Making Jar Jar and the Trade Federation guys speak in alien languages makes such a huge difference, it's not even funny.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 19, 2016, 08:39:13 PM
Making Jar Jar and the Trade Federation guys speak in alien languages makes such a huge difference, it's not even funny.

Well he was a funnier character than we've ever had before.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2016, 08:52:29 PM
Hey speaking of which, in an actual canon but similar situation, why the shit did Rey know Shyriiwook?

Because of well funded public schools that put emphasis on inspiring girls that they could speak anything.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 19, 2016, 08:56:21 PM
The Force taught it to her. :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Yeti on January 19, 2016, 11:27:16 PM
she learned it when she was growing up because she's either Kylo Ren's sister or cousin
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 19, 2016, 11:34:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfQBdRcgizc

Was bored so I watched this last night. I had heard about it for awhile but not bothered until now. I remember watching the The Phantom Edit and a few other fan edits back when that stuff was originally in fashion for this movie. I remember not really liking them so much because despite their best intentions, the editing often left the movie feeling poorly paced and confusing even relative to the poorly paced and confusing original.

Despite the silly title I actually think this is probably the best cut of the film I've seen. I only originally intended to watch a few minutes of it but found myself interested enough to finish it. Obviously you can't fix the original sins that plague the movie. But you can create a path that removes some of the meandering and outright stupid random elements of the film. And this does a decent job of it.

I guess there is another cut that is also popular among the circle of fans of these things that I'll watch in a few years, the next time I'm curious.

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Star-Wars-Episode-I-Cloak-Of-Deception-Finished/id/15663

Also this one.

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/SW-EP-1-Shadow-of-the-Sith-by-L8wrtr/id/11778

Didn't watch this, but when that Ep. 1 Always Sunny video was posted I was mostly reminded of just how good Liam Neeson was in the couple lines of his that were in it. Crazy how much he rose above the part. Only Ewan McGregor by Ep.3 managed to do the same.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 20, 2016, 12:09:36 AM
she learned it when she was growing up because she's either Kylo Ren's sister or cousin

What if she's Kylo Ren.... FROM THE FUTURE!?

What if she's Luke Skywalker from the past???
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 20, 2016, 12:20:13 AM
Saw this again today. Liked it as much or more than the first time. I didn't find the nostalgia bombs as distracting this time. Han's freighter is still stupid and ugly. Adam Driver is less ugly than I remembered. Pretty much everything flowed better than before, except R2D2.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2016, 01:04:31 AM
Can't wait to see what dumb reveal they do with Rey's past. She's definitely somebody's daughter.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on January 20, 2016, 01:15:30 AM
leia and chewbacca's daughter. them white girls love the BWC
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 20, 2016, 01:51:17 AM
are there any good fan edits of star wars 2 or 3? There is a nice lil thing in 2 with obi wan being a noir detective, but it's not really meaty enough to sustain itself probably, but maybe some enterprising diehard could make something out of it? I can't really remember anything nice in 3 but lots of people seem to believe it is the best of the bad ones, so maybe there is something to salvage there as well?

I haven't seen any of the episode 2 or 3 edits outside of the ones way back when but everything I mentioned in my original post has fan edits for 2 and 3.

Hal9000

http://fanedit.org/ifdb/component/content/article/79-fanedit-listings/fanfix/993-star-wars-episode-ii-the-approaching-storm
http://fanedit.org/ifdb/component/content/article/79-fanedit-listings/fanfix/998-star-wars-episode-iii-labyrinth-of-evil

L8WRTR

http://fanedit.org/ifdb/component/content/article/79-fanedit-database/fanfix/82-trd
http://fanedit.org/ifdb/component/content/article/79-fanedit-database/fanfix/83-dote

Both seem well received by the community that are fans of these things. You just have to do a little internet searching to find them.

The anti-cheese edit versions are also up on youtube.

I also agree with you about the obi-wan detective bit. That was honestly the only part that struck me as remotely interesting and suspenseful from any of the movies when I watched the prequels originally.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: brawndolicious on January 20, 2016, 02:20:42 AM
Can't wait to see what dumb reveal they do with Rey's past. She's definitely somebody's daughter.

Probably Luke already has a feeling that it's his daughter and will spend half of episode 8 trying to figure out a soft way to break it to her. He didn't have that privilege as Vader probably knew immediately that Luke Skywalker was his son.

Which is one of those really weird things that bothers me, why didn't "Ben" try to make up any new last names when he and Luke went to live on dusty old Tat? Leia just had all the luck.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 20, 2016, 04:20:26 PM
Hey speaking of which, in an actual canon but similar situation, why the shit did Rey know Shyriiwook?
leia and chewbacca's daughter. them white girls love the BWC
¡ET VOILA!

I also agree with you about the obi-wan detective bit. That was honestly the only part that struck me as remotely interesting and suspenseful from any of the movies when I watched the prequels originally.
Yeah, that sequence was exciting right up until it proves itself meaningless when the Jedi show up using the clone army which had been the entire point of Obi-Wan's investigation.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 20, 2016, 07:23:07 PM
Yeah, that sequence was exciting right up until it proves itself meaningless when the Jedi show up using the clone army which had been the entire point of Obi-Wan's investigation.

Not the worst aspect of Episode 2, but probably the dumbest. Don't think I've ever seen a movie whiplash so hard like that before, completely rendering pointless a huge chunk of its own run time.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 20, 2016, 07:44:46 PM
Episode 8 just got delayed from May 2017 to December 2017. :-\
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2016, 11:45:37 PM
Holidays seem more lucrative so it makes sense. Nonstop advertising during multiple major sporting events, holiday ad tie ins, lots of people off work or school, etc.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 21, 2016, 12:34:17 AM
Yeah, that sequence was exciting right up until it proves itself meaningless when the Jedi show up using the clone army which had been the entire point of Obi-Wan's investigation.

Not the worst aspect of Episode 2, but probably the dumbest. Don't think I've ever seen a movie whiplash so hard like that before, completely rendering pointless a huge chunk of its own run time.
Agreed. The Nice-Guy-Anakin creepfest is the worst aspect. It's painful to watch.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on January 22, 2016, 04:36:05 PM
"Star Wars: The Force Awakens Anime Opening"
https://vimeo.com/152651651

edit: Ah crap, I think it got taken down.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mods Help on January 22, 2016, 04:50:59 PM
I really liked having Star Wars during the holidays. It made it feel even more of an event. If this delay helps them make it an even better movie, I'm even more supportive.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on January 23, 2016, 03:57:35 PM
"Star Wars: The Force Awakens Anime Opening"
https://vimeo.com/152651651

edit: Ah crap, I think it got taken down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWDey5e1uCk
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 25, 2016, 12:09:58 PM
http://www.thestarwarstrilogy.com/starwars/post/2016/01/15/Team-Negative-One-completes-35mm-Restoration-of-Star-Wars

Got around to watching this version. It's a respectable effort but the despecialized edition would still be the go to version for watching such a thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXifjbxZDAM
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on February 03, 2016, 09:57:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdYWOoY1-X0

hmmm.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 03, 2016, 10:05:51 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
She's Luke's daughter that Luke gave birth to after getting butt pregnant with Yoda's baby.
[close]
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: CatsCatsCats on February 05, 2016, 03:00:49 PM
For real.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 05, 2016, 05:08:03 PM
Yea. I want to give it another shot but don't want to pay/deal with a theater. A coworker of mine said she saw it last weekend and the showing was almost full. Jeez.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Purrp Skirrp on February 09, 2016, 01:15:19 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/FGS9pvz.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 15, 2016, 09:25:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IR6mCWpsfE
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 16, 2016, 08:29:21 AM
Start the countdown  :(
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 16, 2016, 10:12:32 AM
Oh man, I didn't know they were making another one, that's cool.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on February 17, 2016, 01:54:06 AM
Oh man, I didn't know they were making another one, that's cool.

All these years, I never knew sarcasm worked in text.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on February 23, 2016, 07:09:21 PM
http://mamalaz.tumblr.com/tagged/modern-solo-adventures
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Purrp Skirrp on February 27, 2016, 06:37:35 PM
http://i.imgur.com/rTUNm6y.gifv
Title: might as well repost it here
Post by: chronovore on February 27, 2016, 06:47:03 PM
(https://49.media.tumblr.com/695f38120e3d8da30602944a2080e36b/tumblr_o37akq6DdL1t95h1uo1_400.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Yeti on February 27, 2016, 11:22:06 PM
http://i.imgur.com/nx1OIPs.gifv
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on February 28, 2016, 06:03:46 AM
http://giphy.com/gifs/l2JJndq92dbWi7Fmw
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on March 06, 2016, 07:38:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djo_91jN3Pk
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on March 09, 2016, 05:33:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sU7bsDhgxU
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on March 09, 2016, 07:34:06 PM
"I'd recognize Chewbacca anywhere!" :lol

I can't wait for Plinkett's take on TFA. I thought I had watched all the Plinkett prequel reviews, but I hadn't watched the one for Revenge of the Sith until a couple nights ago. Nothing is as on-point as his takedown of Phantom Menace, but it is still full of luscious and well directed vitriol.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on March 29, 2016, 02:15:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMVrMP8us6Q

http://fandom.wikia.com/articles/star-wars-show-may-never-see

I think this series would have grown on me.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 29, 2016, 02:39:24 AM
So when is the review out?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on March 29, 2016, 03:01:24 AM
So when is the review out?
https://twitter.com/redlettermedia/status/677948403838550017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvsiJppCdmk

This is the "review" -- They're going to do a Mr. Plinkett takedown, which was hinted at in recent Red Letter Media efforts, where Plinkett comes out of a coma and finds out TFA has launched. I can't find the video, but he ends up seeing the poster in his restroom after taking an explosive piss.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 29, 2016, 04:21:13 AM
Thanks bruv
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on April 11, 2016, 01:10:20 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/A41bENR.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on April 16, 2016, 06:17:27 AM
http://www.slashfilm.com/jean-ralphio-as-bb-8/
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Yeti on May 02, 2016, 02:17:05 PM
https://youtu.be/adgnlbRWo_Y
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 03, 2016, 04:24:12 AM
I rewatched Star Wars and yeah it's pretty fucking good a few months later. Good action, funny.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on May 04, 2016, 02:25:53 AM
It's Star Wars Day (May the Fourth) here, so I'm thinking about grabbing Ep. 7 today and re-watching it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2016, 03:04:10 PM
https://vimeo.com/165592795
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 08, 2016, 12:05:35 PM
http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/rogue-one-a-star-wars-story-is-in-big-trouble-new-director-being-brought-in/

I have no idea if any of this is true and I don't really care that much either way but I'll post it anyway just cause.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on June 08, 2016, 12:14:38 PM
Re-shoots can be handwaved away but a new director is harder to ignore. The movie could still be fine, but at the very least it's more smoke from the kitchen.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 08, 2016, 12:21:59 PM
The guy mentioned in that article, Tony Gilroy, previously worked with Gareth Edwards doing some last minute tweaks on Godzilla, so it seems more likely that he's being brought in to help out rather than take over. But there's a lot of rumors floating around right now, often contradictory, so it's hard to say for sure how big the problem is, or whether there's even really a problem at all.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 08, 2016, 12:30:28 PM
Even if it does suck it won't kill off the franchise or even the side stories.  Too bad their isn't a way for Hollywood to actually delay movies by a quarter or two - think it would lead to much more polished products.   
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Vertigo on June 08, 2016, 12:46:31 PM
Anything that gets unrepentant Disney stans nervous is fun.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 08, 2016, 02:08:42 PM
Tony Gilroy is great. Shoulda just handed him the keys in the first place instead of an FX artist and Gary Whitta
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: helios on June 08, 2016, 02:22:52 PM
Quote from: sphagnum;206081653
ITT people who kind of sort of payed attention to the first batch of rumors and didn't pay attention when it all ended up being overblown.

THIS IS OLD NEWS AND WE ALREADY KNOW THAT IT'S EXAGGERATED. I'M PUTTING THIS IN BOLD BECAUSE NOBODY IS READING ANYTHING.

THIS IS OLD NEWS AND WE ALREADY KNOW THAT IT'S EXAGGERATED. I'M PUTTING THIS IN BOLD BECAUSE NOBODY IS READING ANYTHING.

THIS IS OLD NEWS AND WE ALREADY KNOW THAT IT'S EXAGGERATED. I'M PUTTING THIS IN BOLD BECAUSE NOBODY IS READING ANYTHING.

THIS IS OLD NEWS AND WE ALREADY KNOW THAT IT'S EXAGGERATED. I'M PUTTING THIS IN BOLD BECAUSE NOBODY IS READING ANYTHING.

THIS IS OLD NEWS AND WE ALREADY KNOW THAT IT'S EXAGGERATED. I'M PUTTING THIS IN BOLD BECAUSE NOBODY IS READING ANYTHING.

THIS IS OLD NEWS AND WE ALREADY KNOW THAT IT'S EXAGGERATED. I'M PUTTING THIS IN BOLD BECAUSE NOBODY IS READING ANYTHING.

THIS IS OLD NEWS AND WE ALREADY KNOW THAT IT'S EXAGGERATED. I'M PUTTING THIS IN BOLD BECAUSE NOBODY IS READING ANYTHING.

Thank you.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on June 12, 2016, 12:12:39 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/tRA1hqk.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on July 15, 2016, 05:22:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUb_zpdyDpU

 :gladbron
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Yeti on July 15, 2016, 09:53:37 PM
(http://static.srcdn.com/slir/w691-h1023-q90-c691:1023/wp-content/uploads/Rogue-One-A-Star-Wars-Story-poster.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on July 15, 2016, 09:55:04 PM
That poster is terrible. This movie is going to be the first post-Lucas SW piece of shit.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on July 15, 2016, 10:20:07 PM
Star Wars: Fun at the Beach
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 16, 2016, 12:57:43 AM
That poster is terrible. This movie is going to be the first post-Lucas SW piece of shit.

Episode I was so bad, it made people retroactively hate Return of Jedi; I wonder if this movie will be so bad that it will make everyone hate Episode VII.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 16, 2016, 01:03:03 AM
my predicition is that it will still be better than all lucas prequels combined

trailer was ace btw and the bew feauturette is good too
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on July 16, 2016, 08:43:34 PM
https://youtu.be/xmXp802sFgQ


@ 1:45 (https://youtu.be/xmXp802sFgQ?t=1m45s)  :gladbron
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on July 16, 2016, 10:43:51 PM
https://youtu.be/xmXp802sFgQ


@ 1:45 (https://youtu.be/xmXp802sFgQ?t=1m45s)  :gladbron

Oh, my shitting holy shittery shit.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on July 28, 2016, 04:54:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jjA6ZL0Z_k

:expert
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2016, 05:03:36 PM
Haven't watched it but Kylo being the hero and Rey being sucked to the dark side would be interesting. Alas you know that would rustle #feminists.  :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Dennis on August 11, 2016, 11:16:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frdj1zb9sMY
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on August 11, 2016, 11:36:05 PM
 :gladbron :aah :noah :lawd :whew :whoo :mynicca :preach :rejoice :ryker :woody
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2016, 11:45:23 PM
Another Star Wars about a planet size weapon system huh  :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Dennis on August 12, 2016, 12:10:39 AM
Looks like the kind of Star Wars movie I want. Sort of.

More war movie, less kids movie.

I am probably dreaming, Disney will keep it simple.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on August 12, 2016, 02:29:50 AM
gary witta is shit
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 12, 2016, 03:21:37 AM
Daaamn Dennis could have said it's  :nsfw
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Post by: team filler on August 12, 2016, 06:57:46 AM
finn was the saviour of the movie. episode 7 would have a been a shitfest without that beautiful chocolate god
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 12, 2016, 07:03:52 AM
wrong
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Post by: zomgee on August 12, 2016, 08:45:33 AM
Man I dunno about that trailer. Bunch of quick cuts and a whole lot of characters.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 12, 2016, 10:06:37 AM
I think it looks good!  I'm not expecting it to be as enjoyable as Episode 7, but I think this will be a fun holiday flick
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 12, 2016, 11:01:49 AM
I liked it. A little bit of a "try hard" tone to it but not bad. Also Donnie Yen :rejoice
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Post by: Great Rumbler on August 12, 2016, 11:42:41 AM
Grizzled war-veteran Forrest Whitaker :rejoice
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Post by: Great Rumbler on August 13, 2016, 01:19:06 PM
Quote from: https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/aug/13/kenny-baker-r2-d2-dies-star-wars
The British actor who played R2-D2 in the Star Wars films has died at the age of 83 after a long illness.

Kenny Baker, who was 3ft 8in tall, shot to fame in 1977 when he first played the robot character.

He went on to play the character in The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, as well as the three Star Wars prequels from 1999 to 2005.

Baker also appeared in a number of other much-loved films in the 1980s, including The Elephant Man, Time Bandits and Flash Gordon.

His niece, Abigail Shield, paid tribute to her uncle. She told the Guardian: “It was expected, but it’s sad nonetheless. He had a very long and fulfilled life. He brought lots of happiness to people and we’ll be celebrating the fact that he was well loved throughout the world. We’re all very proud of what he achieved in his lifetime.”

:fbm
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Post by: team filler on August 13, 2016, 04:32:21 PM
there was a guy in there? wtf? so who plays bb8?
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Post by: Great Rumbler on August 13, 2016, 05:20:59 PM
there was a guy in there? wtf?

(http://i.imgur.com/nnIyv0d.jpg)
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Post by: team filler on August 13, 2016, 05:37:31 PM
got a picture of the bb8 guy too?
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Post by: Yeti on August 13, 2016, 06:50:28 PM
got a picture of the bb8 guy too?

(http://www.chipandco.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Costume-Star-Wars.png)
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Post by: seagrams hotsauce on August 13, 2016, 06:59:20 PM
I dunno about this. The fact that the first non-main movie is based on a throwaway line of dialogue doesn't instill a lot of confidence. Like hey, let's get an indie director so we don't have to pay them anything, but still tether them to a piece of minutiae from the OG flicks instead of letting them come up with something original.
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Post by: chronovore on August 13, 2016, 08:08:24 PM
Oddly, that's all the stuff that makes me excited for it. The original trilogy was full of simple throwaway lines that made everything seem huge, the setting felt alive with its own history, a lens through which we glimpsed the current goings-on of those movies. Most of my head canon is from those little, unexplained notes. Clearly they inspire other people similarly.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 14, 2016, 09:10:18 AM
Disney is going to milk SW to death. Ugh...

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on August 14, 2016, 11:38:05 AM
Well, they did pay 4 billion for it
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Post by: bluemax on August 15, 2016, 01:06:08 AM
I dunno about this. The fact that the first non-main movie is based on a throwaway line of dialogue doesn't instill a lot of confidence. Like hey, let's get an indie director so we don't have to pay them anything, but still tether them to a piece of minutiae from the OG flicks instead of letting them come up with something original.

I gotta admit I feel kind of the same way. The Clone Wars that we got, which came from a throwaway set of lines in the first movie, were nothing like what I imagined all those years.
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Post by: Trent Dole on August 15, 2016, 02:40:40 AM
Haven't watched it but Kylo being the hero and Rey being sucked to the dark side would be interesting. Alas you know that would rustle #feminists.  :doge
Holy shit I SO want this to happen now. :lol Disney would never tho.
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Post by: chronovore on August 18, 2016, 10:35:22 PM
http://scumandvillainycantina.com/

I want to go.

Also, someone should make a Mos Eisley / Cheers fanfilm.
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Post by: chronovore on September 15, 2016, 08:42:57 PM
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-rogue-one-replaces-929387

New composer.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 15, 2016, 10:14:16 PM
I like Michael Giacchino's work.
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Post by: chronovore on September 20, 2016, 12:33:06 AM
https://twitter.com/JaigEyes66/status/777721332586905600
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Post by: Tasty on September 20, 2016, 12:42:41 AM
https://twitter.com/JaigEyes66/status/777721332586905600

 :iface
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Post by: chronovore on September 20, 2016, 12:47:39 AM
Personally I like the idea that Snoke is The Grand Inquisitor from REBELS. That guy was a badass.
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Post by: toku on September 21, 2016, 03:25:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95JD0Y5CDfw
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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 21, 2016, 04:56:51 PM
It says a lot about the Prequels that the romance that GL tried so hard to establish and flesh out [Padme/Anakin] is so unbelievable that people have to make up an alternate relationship [Padma/Obiwan], that is thoroughly unsupported, in order for the movies to not be total garbage.

But they're still total garbage.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 21, 2016, 06:26:55 PM
If you proposed the idea to me in one sentence I'd say ok yea that could have been interesting in the right hands. However because you proposed the idea to me with that shitty video I have to judge you now.

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the standard/pre-internet use of the word "toxic" in the video kinda made me giggle. I think that word has been ruined in my brain forever
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Post by: chronovore on September 26, 2016, 12:29:12 AM
It's pretty reaching.

I like it, but nothing redeems the Prequels.

...Nothing.
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Post by: Tasty on September 26, 2016, 01:11:37 AM
It's pretty reaching.

I like it, but nothing redeems the Prequels.

...Nothing.

The RLM reviews do.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on October 02, 2016, 04:09:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miVRaoR_8xQ&feature=youtu.be
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Post by: chronovore on October 02, 2016, 06:18:15 PM
Right now, at 7AM my reaction is "I'm not sure if I want to watch that." I like TFA. I don't need it torn apart just yet.
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I know I'll watch it later today.  :-\
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Post by: helios on October 02, 2016, 06:26:31 PM
It doesn't get torn apart.
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Post by: zomgee on October 13, 2016, 09:03:05 AM
New Rogue One Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC9abcLLQpI

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Post by: Dennis on October 13, 2016, 09:07:28 AM
The visuals are fantastic. Really great.

The dialogue and story is probably going to be cheesy as hell but I have come to accept that from Star Wars.
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Post by: Dennis on October 13, 2016, 09:30:40 AM
"We rebel"

(http://i.imgur.com/qWtP7Dv.png)
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Post by: zomgee on October 13, 2016, 10:09:52 AM
"Mmwfe Remmmelmph"
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 13, 2016, 10:29:00 AM
"We rebel"

(http://i.imgur.com/qWtP7Dv.png)

Wouldn't surprise me if that line got axed during reshoots.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 13, 2016, 10:54:40 AM
Wow that looks amazing, feeling the grimdark Star Wars.

Will take cheesy tropey dialogue over shitty cardboard acting AND dialogue of the prequels.
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Post by: toku on October 20, 2016, 05:02:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkAd4XWwNos
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 21, 2016, 05:46:30 PM
(http://www.pointofgeeks.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/lando--275x300.png)
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Post by: chronovore on November 05, 2016, 08:43:15 AM
Hey, THX! 1,138 behind the scenes pictures from Star Wars
http://imgur.com/a/0RmF7#970
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Post by: seagrams hotsauce on November 05, 2016, 12:17:48 PM
Man, sure c3p0 is gay, but preproduction c3p0 was FAAABULOUS
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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 05, 2016, 12:38:42 PM
Man, sure c3p0 is gay, but preproduction c3p0 was FAAABULOUS

It's a lot closer to the original Ralph McQuarrie art than what ended up in the movie.
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Post by: seagrams hotsauce on November 05, 2016, 01:52:45 PM
The Vader helmet too. I like the finished versions of both a lot better, especially the helmet, which looks pretty silly there imho.
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Post by: chronovore on November 06, 2016, 12:40:30 AM
Man, sure c3p0 is gay, but preproduction c3p0 was FAAABULOUS

Yeah, dat ass definitely shows the sexy pinup Metropolis lady-robot origins of Threepio.
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Post by: chronovore on November 20, 2016, 07:52:30 PM
https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/800460992580755456
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Post by: chronovore on November 22, 2016, 12:19:11 AM
One of my good friends is a Buddhist monk; he is down from Tokyo right now, and over dinner last night we started talking about Star Wars, and how much we enjoyed the original trilogy, and how dissatisfying the prequels were. (He was stunned to find out that I enjoyed Episode VII.)

We started talking about stuff that didn't make sense, including why Obi-Wan is hiding on Tatooine in what the Prequels later showed to be standard Jedi uniform. I pointed out, "That'd be like if you were on the run, hiding because you're a monk, but still wearing your monk clothes."

Then he said, "Actually, I'm a Jedi."

:lol

Good times.
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Post by: chronovore on December 06, 2016, 08:40:07 AM
http://imgur.com/gallery/IhfVW

These are pretty great.
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Post by: chronovore on December 06, 2016, 05:49:59 PM
I'm re-watching REBELS and eventually going to get up to s3 by the time it comes down in price. I like the show, though it's definitely targeted at kids (as opposed to Pixar movies, which don't leave adults behind).

Anyway, I liked this:
http://nerdist.com/star-wars-rebels-spotted-in-rogue-one-ad/
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Post by: Yeti on December 10, 2016, 09:05:05 PM
https://twitter.com/KevinBooker206/status/807056679305035776

:doge
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 10, 2016, 09:11:08 PM
:rofl
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 10, 2016, 10:37:38 PM
Whitta hasn't been involved with Rogue One for a while now.
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Post by: Himu on December 11, 2016, 10:29:52 AM
I just don't give a fuck about rogue one. It's out in a few weeks and I don't give a single crap and everything inside me is telling me "this should be ep 8"

Fuckkkk I really wanna see ep 8
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on December 11, 2016, 11:02:15 AM
Stressed out after Christmas shopping yesterday (I have no problem performing or presenting to massive crowds, but being in one gives me panic attacks) so came home and bought a digital copy of ep7, made burritos with the kids and watched it. I really forgot how fun that movie was. Not shakespear or citizen kane or anything, but just fun.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on December 11, 2016, 05:24:56 PM
Rogue One getting pretty much universally positive reactions from people that have seen it so far.

:leon
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Post by: chronovore on December 11, 2016, 06:31:27 PM
Stressed out after Christmas shopping yesterday (I have no problem performing or presenting to massive crowds, but being in one gives me panic attacks) so came home and bought a digital copy of ep7, made burritos with the kids and watched it. I really forgot how fun that movie was. Not shakespear or citizen kane or anything, but just fun.

Yeah, I'm in the same boat. I agree that it's a collage more than an homage to the original trilogy. I REALLY didn't need another Death Star or another trench run. But it respects the original movies in a way that the Prequels dismissed entirely. It has fun looking at itself and recognizing itself for what it is.
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Post by: Boogie on December 11, 2016, 06:37:02 PM
I mean...so did  Batman v. Superman.

except not really.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on December 11, 2016, 06:40:16 PM
Outside of knowing about them having to do reshoots I haven't followed Rogue One at all. I'm still interested to see it though although I sense the general public isn't as hyped about it as they were episode 7 (for obvious reasons).

Hopefully it turns out well. I'm just looking for a good movie. I don't care if it connects every dot in the lore.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 11, 2016, 06:49:48 PM
Every movie does reshoots these days. Especially with all the post-production involved in everything anymore. Lots of re-staging to fit better rather than redo the effects since costs have flipped.

I think the hubbub here was that the director wasn't involved in the reshoots.

But then apparently this director also didn't do the reshoots on Godzilla and the same person did the reshoots for that so it's actually not a big deal?

Depends on how much you want this to suck I guess?
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Post by: chronovore on December 11, 2016, 07:09:29 PM
I mean...so did  Batman v. Superman.

except not really.

Yeah, Boog, agreed. I just SMH'd my way through that.
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Post by: chronovore on December 11, 2016, 07:41:42 PM
http://wilwheaton.net/2016/12/the-last-time-i-loved-a-star-wars-movie-as-much-as-i-loved-rogue-one-it-was-1977/
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Post by: benjipwns on December 11, 2016, 07:44:19 PM
it sounds like they took the right approach, create this spy adventure, and then layer Star Wars all over everything in sight

something similar was what Josh Trank claimed he was doing with the Boba Fett film before he claimed the same thing with Fantastic Four and then got shot out of a cannon away from Hollywood
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Post by: chronovore on December 11, 2016, 09:41:18 PM
:rofl

If you like reading SW novels, Tim Zahn wrote a heist novel with Star Wars all over it (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Scoundrels).
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 13, 2016, 05:57:30 PM
82% with 128 reviews, 7.5/10 average score:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/rogue_one_a_star_wars_story
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Post by: Dennis on December 13, 2016, 06:48:58 PM
Reviews are pretty strong.

Maybe the best movie since the original trilogy.
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Post by: chronovore on December 13, 2016, 07:55:34 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/mPmjmA7.jpg)
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Post by: chronovore on December 13, 2016, 07:57:44 PM
There's a showing at my local theater at 9AM Friday, but my son's negotiating for a time when I can go watch the subbed while he watches the dub in a neighboring theater.  :-\

Even so: :hyper
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Post by: Atramental on December 13, 2016, 09:15:04 PM
I'm actually REALLY excited for this one.  :gladbron
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Post by: Dennis on December 13, 2016, 09:23:16 PM
It's gonna be great.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 13, 2016, 09:43:26 PM
It's gonna be great.

It's gonna be great.
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Post by: Atramental on December 13, 2016, 09:49:42 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/jkXfxOA.gif)
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Post by: Himu on December 13, 2016, 11:13:28 PM
reviews making me excited. maybe i won't have to wait for ep 8 for that sw darkside fuckery :rejoice
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Post by: chronovore on December 14, 2016, 12:28:51 AM
reviews making me excited. maybe i won't have to wait for ep 8 for that sw darkside fuckery :rejoice

Whoever that white-cape Imperial is, he looks like a fantastic villain. His sullen looks, and his weary aspect -- you know he's just going to abuse power left and right.
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Post by: Oblivion on December 14, 2016, 04:14:37 AM
Rogue One getting pretty much universally positive reactions from people that have seen it so far.

:leon

So did TFA.  :doge
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Post by: ToxicAdam on December 14, 2016, 08:50:58 AM
Someone I heard on a podcast described it as 'a WWII movie with a Star Wars skin'. Which sounds fine.



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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 14, 2016, 10:04:56 AM
Rogue One getting pretty much universally positive reactions from people that have seen it so far.

:leon

So did TFA.  :doge

And it ended up being really good. :yeshrug
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 15, 2016, 01:54:52 AM
Sooo anyone seen it?
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Post by: Boogie on December 15, 2016, 06:29:51 AM
Sooo anyone seen it?

Got tix for Saturday afternoon.   My brother is working nights, so he couldn't do the opening night showing this time around, so I'm being patient and waiting an extra couple days.
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Post by: Let's Cyber on December 15, 2016, 09:22:23 PM
I liked Gareth Edwards' Monsters so I'll probably check this out this weekend.

I also enjoyed TFA.
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Post by: etiolate on December 15, 2016, 10:00:58 PM
my question is: what kind of movie is it?

All the others had to live in the space opera sphere of Star Wars. Is this a thriller? Plain old action? whut
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Post by: Atramental on December 15, 2016, 11:20:42 PM
I'm gonna keep my expectations moderate to low but tbh I just want to see x-wings n shit blowing up.  :doge
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Post by: benjipwns on December 15, 2016, 11:29:58 PM
so you're saying it's almost as good as Birdemic??? :gladbron
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Post by: Freyj on December 16, 2016, 12:34:03 AM
I liked the blind guy, his friend and the droid about 20x more than the two mains.

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Where was my fuckin' "meatbags" line?
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That Leia CGI worked pretty well. Come a long way since Tron.
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Post by: chronovore on December 16, 2016, 12:42:26 AM
I liked the blind guy, his friend and the droid about 20x more than the two mains.

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Where was my fuckin' "meatbags" line?
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That Leia CGI worked pretty well. Come a long way since Tron.
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CGI stuff in Captain America Civil War was really, really impressive. Young RDJ was entirely believable, with only some lighting issues (subsurface scattering inconsistencies?) being any kind of clue that it wasn't just a live actor.
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Post by: chronovore on December 16, 2016, 01:06:09 AM
I liked the blind guy, his friend and the droid about 20x more than the two mains.

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Where was my fuckin' "meatbags" line?
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That Leia CGI worked pretty well. Come a long way since Tron.
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CGI stuff in Captain America Civil War was really, really impressive. Young RDJ was entirely believable, with only some lighting issues (subsurface scattering inconsistencies?) being any kind of clue that it wasn't just a live actor.
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Leia was surprisingly really, really good though. Especially when they gave the same treatment to Peter Cushing and you could tell he was CG.
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Cushing in the Prequel endings? Or Cushing in Rogue One? Cushing in the Prequels was weird-as-hell. I assumed they were physical prosthetics.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 16, 2016, 04:50:26 AM
Really good movie.
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 16, 2016, 12:41:52 PM
That was a great, fun Star Wars movie.

I'm kinda done nerd raging and nitpicking about everything SW. It's not high cinema.
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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on December 16, 2016, 05:42:17 PM
Someone I heard on a podcast described it as 'a WWII movie with a Star Wars skin'. Which sounds fine.
this is entirely accurate. Later in the film the subtext is damn near text with some of the visual schemes and costuming. Its not quite The Dirty Dozen, But With Space Shit, but its comes kinda close.

But yeah, I dug it. Quite a bit in fact. The only parts I didn't care for were the...
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mostly extraneous bits of Empire power jockeying. That the CGI resurrection of Peter Cushing gets worse the more you see of him doesn't help.
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But other than that, it was a well done film with a much more cohesive, tactile sense of atmosphere than any Star Wars film has had since the 80's. Great cast too (man, do I ever love it when Forrest Whitaker gets a chance to play weird).
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 16, 2016, 08:53:13 PM
I really liked it. The first third was a bit messy and some of the performances/lines weren't too good, but the middle part of the movie was pretty good and the final third was just great. And it even had a cool space battle! It was pretty much exactly what I want from a spinoff Star Wars movie, no major complaints from me.

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Some of the call-backs to the original movies were a little bit ridiculous, but CGI Peter Cushing [even though he looked a bit off] was a-okay by me.
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Post by: king of the internet on December 16, 2016, 10:12:20 PM
Like TFA this was a lot of fun to watch and it successfully appealed to the repressed Star Wars dork inside me, but also like TFA it starts to fall apart once the credits hit and your critical faculties kick in. Compared to the prequels, Disney has done a pretty solid job with the franchise, but they're still only in the 7-8/10 range imo. Hopefully the Empire Strikes Back remake will be the one to surpass that.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 16, 2016, 10:42:53 PM
I don't know that you can ever really recapture the magic of the first two Star Wars movies, not with where the franchise is right now and not with the way blockbuster movies are made these days. With New Hope and Empire Strikes Back, particularly, Lucas and his crew were basically flying by the seat of their pants and the studio largely let them do what they wanted. But now, the Star Wars franchise is just too huge and blockbusters are so focus-tested and committee built. I am still hoping that Rian Johnson can somehow pull Episode VIII up to the next level, but I'm not going to be surprised if it's just a really good scifi action/adventure movie but not a great one.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on December 17, 2016, 12:22:59 AM
Rogue One is lit, fam. It is, for lack of a better term, the least "Star Warsy" Star Wars movie, but that's not a bad thing. That lets it do things the other movies couldn't.

Whoever said it had a WW II movie vibe in a Star Wars skin called it, particularly The Dirty Dozen. The first 1/3 to 1/2 is disjointed, but it ends up not mattering by the end. I probably like it better than TFA tbh.
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Post by: ToxicAdam on December 17, 2016, 01:00:17 AM
Just got out of a late showing. I thought it was great. I was real ambivelant about TFA. But this one hit the spot.

My only small gripes was that the casting on Cassian was off, the guy should've been the Han Solo of the movie and he was a charisma sink. Also they pushed the CGI faces too far. They should been more clever in disguising them. Moff looked great as just a reflection in the window and they should've done a profile of Leia.

But that was it. I had the same feeling as when I left LOTR. Just amazed they pulled it off.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 17, 2016, 11:50:55 AM
Cant wait to go aaarghhhh
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Post by: Boogie on December 17, 2016, 06:07:13 PM
Loved it.  Not perfect, but it was everything I would have hoped a "spinoff" movie would be.

Donnie Yen and his buddy were definite highlights.

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I can see the complaints about the two leads, but they worked for me.

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I haaaaated the Tarkin and Leia cgi-ing though.  Thought it was cheesy and took me out of it.  Thought some restrain there might have been good.  See them just from behind, the side, some sort of lighting/camera trickery, not throw them front and center like that.

Some of the callbacks were too much.  I didn't need to see r2 and threepio.   I'm not sure about the re-use of the original Star Wars x-wing pilot footage.

Vader's first scene was just okay, but LOVED his bit at the end.  Just a stalking, unstoppable force.

Jyn's speech was "ehh", but I really liked that it didn't work, that she DIDN'T convince them.

And I liked the discord in the rebel alliance, the shades of grey/grittiness, the leaders having doubts and fears and wavering resolve.

I loved how the Death Star itself was portrayed.  The gravitas of it, the sense of awe.  It was like some kind of technological Cthulu.

And of course, the world building was great, loved the chaotic bustle of Jedda, loved Scarif.  The movie was gorgeous.

Loved how all the team members' sacrifices were handled.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 17, 2016, 07:48:34 PM
Minor quibbles:

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Some of the dialog was straight up fucking velveeta levels of cheese, man. Especially when Vader is choking whats his nuts and tells him not to choke on his ambitions. That line of dialog should never have been written, and whoever wrote it should have all of their fingers broken as an example to others.

The CGI Tarkin and Leia stuff was meh, but it wasn't as obnoxious to me as it was to others.

Also- did Jyn and Cassian take an elevator all the way down to ground level, PAST THE BAD DUDE'S SHIP THAT WAS JUST CHILLING WAITING TO BE STOLEN so they could die on the beach together? If so, they deserved to die.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on December 17, 2016, 08:31:19 PM
It was amazing.  :mouf
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: MMaRsu on December 17, 2016, 08:53:54 PM
This movie was really great except the movie theater sucked and I hate it when I have to pay a lot for a shitty theater experience with rowdy teenage girls around that make a fuckton of noise and are checking their phone constantly.

But the movie was pretty amazing, I loved how

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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Boogie on December 17, 2016, 11:06:12 PM
The vehicle scenes were the best in the series. They really made every prequel battle and even the episode 7 battles look like crap.

I've wanted a space battle like what we got since ROTJ.

It is amazing that Jedi set the bar for a sci-fi space battle that hadn't really been surpassed to this day.  It shows that it takes more than just fancy effects and budget for such an action set-piece.

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It's all the more remarkable, I think, that Rogue One may have matched or surpassed Jedi, when you realize that Rogue One does it without having any actual characters involved in the space battle that you give a damn about.   In Jedi, you have Wedge (yes, I'm one of those Wedge fanboys, deal with it), and Lando who you already know and can "follow" through their actions in the battle.  Plus the addition of Akbar for the "strategic" viewpoint.   In Rogue One, you only have the barely-introduced Admiral guy as a character "involved" in that aspect of the battle.  And yet......it still works great as an action setpiece.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 17, 2016, 11:16:36 PM
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It's all the more remarkable, I think, that Rogue One may have matched or surpassed Jedi, when you realize that Rogue One does it without having any actual characters involved in the space battle that you give a damn about.   In Jedi, you have Wedge (yes, I'm one of those Wedge fanboys, deal with it), and Lando who you already know and can "follow" through their actions in the battle.  Plus the addition of Akbar for the "strategic" viewpoint.   In Rogue One, you only have the barely-introduced Admiral guy as a character "involved" in that aspect of the battle.  And yet......it still works great as an action setpiece.
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The cruiser slamming into the disabled Star Destroyer and pushing it into the other Star Destroyed and then forcing both to crash into the shield gate was an absolutely incredible moment. :lawd
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And speaking of RotJ, here's the Battle of Endor in its entirety, so we can enjoy what a great battle it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPZigWFyK2o

The space battle scene from Phantom Menace was really meh, and Anakin was so annoying. The one from Revenge of the Sith was so bad, virtually nothing that happened had any impact at all.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Boogie on December 17, 2016, 11:29:02 PM
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It's all the more remarkable, I think, that Rogue One may have matched or surpassed Jedi, when you realize that Rogue One does it without having any actual characters involved in the space battle that you give a damn about.   In Jedi, you have Wedge (yes, I'm one of those Wedge fanboys, deal with it), and Lando who you already know and can "follow" through their actions in the battle.  Plus the addition of Akbar for the "strategic" viewpoint.   In Rogue One, you only have the barely-introduced Admiral guy as a character "involved" in that aspect of the battle.  And yet......it still works great as an action setpiece.
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The cruiser slamming into the disabled Star Destroyer and pushing it into the other Star Destroyed and then forcing both to crash into the shield gate was an absolutely incredible moment.
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Only to be matched by the moment where the Rebels are all "Yes!  We have the plans!  Time to blow this popsicle stand!"  And then Vader's Star Destroyer jumps in and says "FUCK YOU, ,y'all are fucked" and starts wrecking all their shit.
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Also, in fairness, going back to the
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Tarkin and Leia CGI.  Though it was obvious to me and I hated it, all three of my father, brother, and sister-in-law didn't even notice it was CGI, and it didn't bother them.  They "knew" it had to have been some sort of trickery, via look-a-like actor/makeup/mask/CGI combo, but idn't know it was all CGI, and it didn't "stand out" to them..  So as more "casual" movie-goers, I can acknowledge that I may be in the minority of how much that aspect bugged me.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Boogie on December 17, 2016, 11:45:26 PM


The space battle scene from Phantom Menace was really meh, and Anakin was so annoying. The one from Revenge of the Sith was so bad, virtually nothing that happened had any impact at all.

Very good point.

I feel that the comparison between RotS and Rogue One is a very interesting and compelling one.  The tech is closer to "equal" and shows how much direction matters.

RotS has all the tech in the world, even opening with a fake "One Shot" take.   And follows the very two main characters we are supposed to "care" about.    And yet, somehow, it's boring as hell.

Contrast with Rogue One, which had me going all "WHOA, HOLY SHIT!" with every sequence.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 18, 2016, 12:13:44 AM
Minor quibbles:

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Some of the dialog was straight up fucking velveeta levels of cheese, man. Especially when Vader is choking whats his nuts and tells him not to choke on his ambitions. That line of dialog should never have been written, and whoever wrote it should have all of their fingers broken as an example to others.

The CGI Tarkin and Leia stuff was meh, but it wasn't as obnoxious to me as it was to others.

Also- did Jyn and Cassian take an elevator all the way down to ground level, PAST THE BAD DUDE'S SHIP THAT WAS JUST CHILLING WAITING TO BE STOLEN so they could die on the beach together? If so, they deserved to die.
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I didn't think about it but a better ending would've been for them
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to steal the spaceship, almost get away but get engulfed at the end
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Would've been a total swerve to what we've been conditioned to seeing.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Boogie on December 18, 2016, 12:55:01 AM
ONE MORE THING

Giachinno added fuck all to the Star Wars musical canon.  His score was completely inconsequential until the final act.

And while I felt it a very effective and emotional score in those final 20 minutes, it's still forgettable.  It hasn't stuck with me.

Whereas even with TFA, John Williams still has it, at least a little, with tracks like Rey's theme and the March of the Resistance.

edit: I will cut him some slack because he was apparently brought in last minute, so that's a bit understandable.  But still.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 18, 2016, 02:30:35 AM
Feel the same way about the soundtrack. It wasn't all that good and the few good songs still weren't particularly memorable.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 18, 2016, 03:21:19 AM
Giachinno was revelatory in the Stark Trek movies but it's seeming like he's the new Hans Zimmer in terms of one-noteness. Dude is doing literally every fucking blockbuster soundtrack these days, from this, to Jurassic World, to Inside Out, to Tomorrowland, to Jupiter Ascending, to Doctor Strange, to Zootopia, to Spider-Man Homecoming, to War for the Planet of the Apes, to The fucking Incredibles 2.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 18, 2016, 10:13:27 AM
Saw it. Loved it. Yeah, it's the least Star-Warsy Star Wars movie, but it worked. There are SW fanthings out there whose favorite post-Original Trilogy works are the Rogue Squadron novels. I bet this movie works just fine for them.

I honestly didn't see the end coming that way. I assumed it would go down differently because it's a Disney movie, but DAMN that was a satisfying, beautiful way to handle things.

The CGI characters were fine. It was surprising, but well handled overall -- but I agree I would have preferred to keep it slightly less front-and-center. Some people think one character was handled better than another, but I thought they were equally well-done, but imperfect.

K2-SO had me laughing aloud repeatedly, and Donnie Yen's character had me cheering.

Complaints: Forrest Whittaker was misused; there is some backstory there we should have seen, but didn't. He was Frank Booth-ing it up big time, and we have no idea why. Exposition was handled clumsily, without exception. Character names were mishandled; I have no idea what Yen's character was named. Captain Andor's name is two opposed conjunctions. Who the FUCK designed the Empire's server farm? That thing is five flavors of bullshit. I mean, cool, but it was apparently the same guy who designed the Death Star's impractical tractor beam control.

ANYWAY: Awesome.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: fizzel on December 18, 2016, 10:59:46 AM
Work projection in a cinema so I watched it on opening night with like... 3 other nerdling staff members.  :lawd

Three things i didn't like.

Mostly shit writing, especially with the leads.

Not using your best actor by a mile (whittaker)

The beach fight being gears of warsy with all the hiding behind crates. like... lol.

Other than that it was a fun film, nice to see vader return to form.

Loved the two chinks, especially the big cunt with the gun. And i appreciated the look of the film (sets/props). The original Star Wars is truly timeless in that regard.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: MMaRsu on December 18, 2016, 01:02:02 PM
I dunno I thought Whittaker was pretty hammy so I think they might have cut some of his scenes
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 18, 2016, 01:11:01 PM
Loved the two chinks, especially the big cunt with the gun.

:doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on December 18, 2016, 01:58:33 PM
That's how they refer to Chinamen in Great Britain, Tasty.

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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bluemax on December 18, 2016, 02:05:55 PM
Movie at times felt like the first Dark Forces game, except Kyle Katarn had character than Jyn Urso. Also casting another pouty lipped British woman who mostly looks angry or sad for the whole movie seems like kind of a miss.

So many location jumps in the first hour made things really disjointed, also don't understand why they didn't tell us that the castle in the lava was on Mustafar. And the longer Vader was on the screen for that part the cornier he was.

Forrest Whittaker also corny.

Imperial pilot guy who magically recovered, kinda corny.

"The force is with me I am one with the force", cornyish.

Random C3PO and R2D2 moment, corny.

Space battle, super lit fam.

Overall it was cool that we can get a Star Wars movie that isnt 100% about the Skywalkers or Jedi but we still couldn't escape callbacks to A New Hope. The best characters weren't the main characters and that feels like a reoccurring problem with Star Wars movies. Soundtrack was completely forgettable.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 18, 2016, 02:55:39 PM
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"The force is with me I am one with the force", cornyish.

I was fine with that, since it was basically a Buddhist mantra. The Prequels especially made The Force more of a science thing, something that could be measured with a medical scanner, so it was nice to see it pulled back into the realm of mysticism.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on December 18, 2016, 04:16:53 PM
New star wars movie is legit unenjoyable, I didnt need that story told, I didnt give a fuck about anything happening on-screen until the last 5 mins and then only for cool factor. Still better than SWVII though
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 18, 2016, 08:48:46 PM
Overall it was cool that we can get a Star Wars movie that isnt 100% about the Skywalkers or Jedi but we still couldn't escape callbacks to A New Hope. The best characters weren't the main characters and that feels like a reoccurring problem with Star Wars movies. Soundtrack was completely forgettable.
I agreed with everything else you said, though I am at a loss here. The entire movie is a lead-up to A New Hope, so it would have been very difficult to make without nodding at it. I agree though that the C-3PO and R2-D2 appearance was basically goofy fanservice. I loved seeing the older footage of the dogfighting pilots brought in for continuity though.


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"The force is with me I am one with the force", cornyish.

I was fine with that, since it was basically a Buddhist mantra. The Prequels especially made The Force more of a science thing, something that could be measured with a medical scanner, so it was nice to see it pulled back into the realm of mysticism.
Yeah, I felt the same way. He's a khyber crystal Guardian, not a Jedi, it was gratifying to see someone with a different relationship to The Force than fake-calm Jedi Council members. (C'mon, you KNOW Mace Windu was seething with constant rage. Yoda, too.)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 18, 2016, 10:54:36 PM
Thought it was excellent.  I echo much of what Boogie has stated.

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I really didn't need the Leia thing at the end – and if they really wanted that, what's wrong with showing her from behind with the pastry-buns visible and her voice saying "hope?"

Also, the Tarkin stuff...while obvious it was CG, I was VERY impressed by how far we've come with CG animation of facial intricacies.  To be honest, it was the VO for him that took me out of it as opposed to his face.  But even still, I'm with Boogie that I think they could have minimized his role greatly.

The cast individually was weak, I thought, beyond Donnie and his buddy (lover?).  I didn't care about Jyn or Cassian really.  HOWEVER, I think as a whole the Rogue One team was spectacular, and I particularly liked how they didn't force a romance.  Despite a hand-hold and hug at the end (which I interpreted as strictly a "let's comfort each other while we perish" sort of thing, this was just a great story of lesser parts creating a strong whole.

Did anyone else find it shockingly violent for a Disney/Star Wars film?  I was shocked at the intensity of gunfire and explosive damage to the characters and ships.
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If this is any indication of Disney's handling of future spin offs for Star Wars, I think we can be at ease.  While I preferred Episode VII by a fair amount, this was by far one of the best side-stories the Star Wars universe has put out.  Including the old canon.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: helios on December 20, 2016, 01:19:33 AM
Just saw it. Didn't like it. It all comes down to the characters for me. Donnie Yen and his life partner are more interesting than Jyn and Cassian. They had more personality and charm. Jyn and Cassian are just bland, generic characters with standard backstories. 1337's YA description is pretty apt.

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As soon as Cassian got the order to kill Jyn's father, I could already see where the plot was heading. I knew it would be resolved fairly shortly and without consequence.
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In order for me to buy into the story and the adventure, I have to buy into the characters and this film doesn't give me any reason to invest in them. Jyn has no quirks. Cassian has no idiosyncrasies. There's nothing that sets them apart from bog standard tripe.

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Actually, Cassian had some quirk to him. He murdered a guy. That was interesting and it hints to his readiness to kill Jyn's dad.
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These characters hardly interact with each other. Jyn and Cassian share the screen most of the time. Jyn starts icy with K2SO, but warms up to him in the end. Jyn speaks to Donnie Yen, but only about Cassian, iirc. I don't recall her talking to Riz Ahmed or Machine Gun dude. Donnie Yen talks to Machine Gun dude most of the time. I think I just described most of the interactions between our heroes. They don't share moments, they share events. There's nothing that deepens the relationships between these characters which results in deaths and romances that are unearned.

Donnie Yen is basically Toph from Avatar.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: studyguy on December 20, 2016, 01:22:22 AM
The New IP Man was pretty dope, I don't know about though, he probably should have beat up like 10 more space nazis tho with his pointedly not jedi powers  :teehee
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2016, 09:52:36 AM
the first three minutes of this :rofl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc2kFk5M9x4
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 20, 2016, 11:45:46 AM
Max Landis did the EXACT same thing in tweet form last week. :lol :lol But he thought RLM would probably like the movie cause it's a well-done blockbuster.

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They must have read his tweets, or at the very least the last one. :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 20, 2016, 11:59:45 AM
They've been doing it for weeks leading up to force awakens and the occasional Buzzfeed joke video. I doubt Landis was the main influence here.

Sure but the last tweet he replied to here is like, a literal prediction of exactly what happened:

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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on December 20, 2016, 12:40:45 PM
I agree with most if not all of RLM's criticisms. Especially their point that this film was essentially Star Wars porn. :aah
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: studyguy on December 20, 2016, 01:35:11 PM
What are these complaints about anyway? That SW got popular? I don't understand the context other than Disney is pimping out a hot property and nerds don't like it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 20, 2016, 02:03:09 PM
What are these complaints about anyway? That SW got popular? I don't understand the context other than Disney is pimping out a hot property and nerds don't like it.

- It's trying to be both a gritty war movie like Saving Private Ryan yet has a goofy robot, mystic monk character, and pew pew lasers with storm trooper outfits. Also Vader looks like a Halloween costume (as he was in A New Hope.)
- The characters are boring and don't have backstories.
- The shoehorning in of Star Wars elements just for the sake of fanservice.
- CGI characters looked terrible and are a potentially-terrible precedent.
- There doesn't need to be a new Star Wars movie every year.
- The Star Wars universe is too shallow to make an Extended Cinematic Universe out of.
- Forrest Whitaker died for literally no reason.
- We already know how the story ends.
- Not enough new stuff.

To be fair they praise some aspects too, like the ending.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 20, 2016, 02:04:31 PM
The analogy was that they took an average space war movie and wedged Star Wars references (the sex!) in the cracks to get people so excited that they don't notice all the flaws.



Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 20, 2016, 02:55:36 PM
It seems like it's the people critical of R1 that are overinflating what Star Wars is. Star Wars is a fun action packed space romp and that's what R1 is. None of them have "new ideas"


Yes the lava castle is in the movie, based on old storyboards from the 70s
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 20, 2016, 02:56:33 PM
I haven't seen the movie yet, but I don't think the story was one that should have been told in the first place.

It's like one tier above a throwaway line in A New Hope and there's a big budget movie about it. We all know the real reason it exists is because it's a way for Disney to bring back Vader and sell his toys.

Also I've seen this thrown around and have to ask: Does Vader live in a castle with lava and shit in this? Reminds me of some of the early draft work for Empire, where some SciFi author lady came up with Vader living in a volcanic castle with pet dragons and shit. If that's in the movie I might just drive to Bahrain to see it.

Yes, Vader has a castle on Mustafar.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on December 20, 2016, 03:14:36 PM
When I saw that castle I turned to my brother and made this exact same face:  :gladbron
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 20, 2016, 03:32:16 PM

- The Star Wars universe is too shallow to make an Extended Cinematic Universe out of.


 :confused

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_books
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 20, 2016, 03:47:04 PM
We all know the real reason it exists is because it's a way for Disney to bring back Vader and sell his toys.

As far as I'm concerned, Rogue One and Vader's presence in it is completely justified by a scene at the end that's only about a minute long.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 20, 2016, 06:41:35 PM
Movie kicked ass. It's the Dirty Dozen with Star Wars hats on every head. Mads Mikkelson is in it. Alan Tudyk makes the best droid character ever. The ending rocks.

:miyamoto
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 20, 2016, 07:54:57 PM
Guys, let's stop being over critical and picking on every little thing with Star Wars movies.

We only do that with DC Universe movies. (justifiably so)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 20, 2016, 07:58:46 PM
It's only useful to nitpick good movies IMO.

The DCEU has been trash ever since Snyder got his grimy hands on it. It's fruitless to nitpick anything so inherently flawed. It's like telling a mentally challenged person every little reason their life is fucked up. They know it, you know it, so it should remain unsaid.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 20, 2016, 10:31:50 PM
Watchmen is good
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 20, 2016, 10:34:20 PM
Watchmen is good

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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 20, 2016, 10:39:02 PM
Man of Steel is good
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on December 20, 2016, 11:12:40 PM
Man of Steel is good
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 21, 2016, 12:00:18 AM
Dawn of the Dead is good.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bluemax on December 21, 2016, 12:14:59 AM
Overall it was cool that we can get a Star Wars movie that isnt 100% about the Skywalkers or Jedi but we still couldn't escape callbacks to A New Hope. The best characters weren't the main characters and that feels like a reoccurring problem with Star Wars movies. Soundtrack was completely forgettable.
I agreed with everything else you said, though I am at a loss here. The entire movie is a lead-up to A New Hope, so it would have been very difficult to make without nodding at it. I agree though that the C-3PO and R2-D2 appearance was basically goofy fanservice. I loved seeing the older footage of the dogfighting pilots brought in for continuity though.


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"The force is with me I am one with the force", cornyish.

I was fine with that, since it was basically a Buddhist mantra. The Prequels especially made The Force more of a science thing, something that could be measured with a medical scanner, so it was nice to see it pulled back into the realm of mysticism.
Yeah, I felt the same way. He's a khyber crystal Guardian, not a Jedi, it was gratifying to see someone with a different relationship to The Force than fake-calm Jedi Council members. (C'mon, you KNOW Mace Windu was seething with constant rage. Yoda, too.)

All the "never tell me the odds", "I have a bad feeling about this" etc etc. I get that the movie is leading up to ANH but do we have to literally drop the same classic lines or subversions of them spoken by other characters? Having a Red 5 and having him die, that's fine, having people say things that became catch phrases, annoying.

I was okay with the mysticism, I just think the constant mantra got a little obnoxious I guess.

I had fun overall, the last 30 or so minutes was pure Star Wars action porn (and as someone whose all time favorite game is Tie Fighter I loved the space battles). The general plot was kinda dumb and essentially nothing but it is a blockbuster action movie so it is not a big deal.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on December 21, 2016, 12:19:32 AM
I really didn't like this. The first action scene was such a fucking bummer. It looked like Homeland with aliens. Combine that with Dakota Whitaker distinguished mentally-challenged fellow voice, endless cringey ass references to the first trilogy, zero tension, Grand Moff Mass Effect, the awful WWII motivational speech, ugh. Even Riz Ahmed and Mads Mikkelson couldn't save this for me.
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Post by: seagrams hotsauce on December 21, 2016, 12:23:31 AM
The new score was distractingly bad at points, too
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2016, 01:54:15 AM
I thought it was okay at best. It had its moments but the characters were flat. There were literally no "Star Wars moments" where they chill and talk. We get to know and love Luke and co. because of their development. We have Luke training on board the Falcon, with Obi Wan teaching and Han criticizing but it helps flesh them out. Luke failing to pull the X-wing out of the swamp, Han and Leia alone on the ship in Empire. These were slow moments that helped make is care for the characters. The stakes are high in this, but there's no reason to care about a single character besides Jyn. And K, I guess. I like Donnie Yen's character but he's not fleshed out at all. He's just blind guy who believes in the force. When the stakes are at their highest you want to care for the characters, and unlike The Force Awakens, the movie has given you no justification to.

I feel like the movie would be better if every character had a flashback so you could give a shit. Instead it's just moment after moment without any stops. Due to its lack of stops, the characters suffer and for what is a tragic type story, underdeveloped characters is kind of a death sentence for quality.

And then the ending, while neat in how it ties in A New Hope, just abruptly ends. No wide shot of Star Wars tradition. Just
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Leia's face
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All in all its better than the prequel films (to my memory) but not on the same footing as the originals or even TFA.

5/10. Star Wars with none of the heart.
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Post by: Himu on December 21, 2016, 02:09:11 AM
also

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the shoehorned love story is terrible and only stands to make TFA even better because there was no god awful love story between two people who barely know each other, especially with one of them almost killing the others father
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Turrible

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Actually, now that I think about it, I gotta say it's on par with the prequels. It shares the same flaws. Over emphasis on fan service. Flat characters. No development. Forced romance that makes no sense. You already know what's going to happen. In some cases, overly serous tone for a Star Wars movie that doesn't come off as genuine as ESB or even KOTOR. I put it on par with Revenge of the Sith.
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Post by: Momo on December 21, 2016, 02:48:06 AM
I thought it was okay at best. It had its moments but the characters were flat. There were literally no "Star Wars moments" where they chill and talk. We get to know and love Luke and co. because of their development. We have Luke training on board the Falcon, with Obi Wan teaching and Han criticizing but it helps flesh them out. Luke failing to pull the X-wing out of the swamp, Han and Leia alone on the ship in Empire. These were slow moments that helped make is care for the characters. The stakes are high in this, but there's no reason to care about a single character besides Jyn. And K, I guess. I like Donnie Yen's character but he's not fleshed out at all. He's just blind guy who believes in the force. When the stakes are at their highest you want to care for the characters, and unlike The Force Awakens, the movie has given you no justification to.

I feel like the movie would be better if every character had a flashback so you could give a shit. Instead it's just moment after moment without any stops. Due to its lack of stops, the characters suffer and for what is a tragic type story, underdeveloped characters is kind of a death sentence for quality.

And then the ending, while neat in how it ties in A New Hope, just abruptly ends. No wide shot of Star Wars tradition. Just
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Leia's face
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All in all its better than the prequel films (to my memory) but not on the same footing as the originals or even TFA.

5/10. Star Wars with none of the heart.
with you on everything except it being worse than TFA
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Post by: Himu on December 21, 2016, 02:59:12 AM
There really is no justification for the movie existing IMO and I think I will feel similarly about the other SW side movies. So I will be skipping them from now on.
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Post by: seagrams hotsauce on December 21, 2016, 03:51:30 AM
Pretty much 100% with Himu on this one.
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Didn't see that as a love story - my GF actually cheered when they died without kissing
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Post by: Himu on December 21, 2016, 03:57:37 AM
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they kissed in the elevator
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Post by: Momo on December 21, 2016, 07:19:28 AM
Thrawn is in Rebels also
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Post by: Samson Manhug on December 21, 2016, 08:46:17 AM
I'm really confused by the fans who say this movie shouldn't exist/doesn't need to exist. I don't even care about Star Wars but I appreciated learning more about the Rebel Alliance and the battle that got them the plans for the Death Star. The title crawl in Star Wars A New Hope makes sense now (as does the retitle). 3/5 I DON'T have a bad feeling about this, would A Star Wars Story again.
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Post by: ToxicAdam on December 21, 2016, 10:04:24 AM
I felt the same way. It really gave context to the beginning of the original Star Wars. The desperation and urgency of the Rebels to deliver the plans.

It did in one movie what Lucas failed to do with 3 movies in making Vader's redemption (in Jedi) more impactful.

 
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Post by: Himu on December 21, 2016, 10:52:00 AM
I liked that it showed the desperation of the rebels but that's all it showed us.
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Post by: chronovore on December 21, 2016, 11:45:26 PM
Dawn of the Dead is good.

I liked the remake. I know, I know: kill me. (I'll just come running back!)
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Post by: bluemax on December 22, 2016, 12:27:14 AM
I definitely agree with Himu that a big problem with both R1 and TFA is that these movies are almost too breakneck, there's not a lot of catch your breath get to know the characters moments. Both movies have a sort of slow middle section but it feels like the intros try to flood you with places and names and locations and action.
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Post by: Himu on December 22, 2016, 12:49:52 AM
I think TFA has more slow parts where they just chill and felt that the breakneck pace actually worked there.
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Post by: Ichirou on December 22, 2016, 05:45:48 AM
I liked it, but the characters were really bland. It's kind of like the opposite issue I had with Force Awakens where I thought the story was awful but genuinely liked Rey, Finn, and Poe.

Rogue One with Force Awakens level characterization would have been one of the all-time best SW flicks IMO.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 22, 2016, 05:50:00 AM
One of the problems is you get little downtime for these characters to interact and play their role. Them being one note archtypes isn't a problem. You just don't get enough of them being those archtypes. They never feel like a group really.
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Post by: helios on December 22, 2016, 06:02:02 AM
One of the problems is you get little downtime for these characters to interact and play their role. Them being one note archtypes isn't a problem. You just don't get enough of them being those archtypes. They never feel like a group really.

That's what I was saying. Jyn mostly interacts with Cassian and K2SO and Donnie Yen mostly interacts with machine gun dude. Outside of plot related stuff, none of them interact with Riz Ahmed. There's barely any mingling with the characters. The movie is more concerned with plot than with character, but the plot demands that you feel for these characters.
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Post by: Freyj on December 22, 2016, 10:17:46 AM
The further I get from seeing this the less I like it and the more I appreciate TFA.

So mission accomplished?  :doge Hyped up on VIII again.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2016, 06:26:16 PM
Movie is TPM tier the more time passes. Was texting my bf and we both agree that movie kinda sucks. I told him it reminds me how I felt after seeing Phantom Menace, where I kind of liked it when watching it the first time but as soon as I left the theater I didn't remember a single thing. There wasn't a single moment where the entire group is together and actually communicating with each other. It's not a surprise that Disney had this film reshot. It's a stinker and they knew it. Definitely not Disney quality. Also not surprised that Wesley fucking Crusher thinks it's great.
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Post by: chronovore on December 22, 2016, 08:18:07 PM
Jesus. Do yourself a favor, go back and watch Episode I again. Your last several posts are the equivalent of "This PS4 game has PS2-level graphics!" It is never, ever true, and undermines any future edicts you make on the topic.
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Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 22, 2016, 08:23:14 PM
300 is good
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Post by: Himu on December 22, 2016, 09:07:21 PM
Nope. I can only compare it to how I feel about TPM. It just reminds me of how I felt about the prequel trilogy. Where I have no desire to ever see it again because I thought it wasn't that good. By comparison, I saw TFA in theaters 5 times.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 22, 2016, 09:08:32 PM
Jar Jar Binks

'nuff said.
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Post by: Atramental on December 22, 2016, 09:13:45 PM
Kid Anakin. 'Nuff Said. :doge

(http://i.imgur.com/UpUqa4O.jpg)

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I did like the podracing tho.  :doge
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Post by: Himu on December 22, 2016, 09:15:58 PM
Jesus, I've only seen TPM once and it was when it first came out. I forgot how bad it was. I'll give Rogue one this: it's no TPM I guess.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on December 22, 2016, 09:18:13 PM
Your brain is just trying to protect you from how terrible TPM was.  :doge
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 22, 2016, 09:23:26 PM
I mean, I'm not necessarily saying your criticisms of Rogue One are wrong, I actually agree with most of them [though I don't think they're enough to prevent it from being a very entertaining movie regardless], but TPM literally had one good thing: Duel of Fates. That's it. The pod racing scene felt like it lasted for a hundred years. The acting and writing were terrible, kid Anakin and Jar-Jar Binks were even worse. The battle scenes were utter garbage. Just look at this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MomPi52KpxI

This is the climatic space battle scene! And then there's the ground battle with the Gungans, but the less said about that the better.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on December 22, 2016, 09:36:31 PM
This brings up a fun exercise- rank your favorite star war movies.

Empire > New Hope > Force Awakens = Rogue One (might change on repeated R1 viewings) > Jedi > EpIII > EpI > EpII

It's tough to pick if TPM or AotC is worse, but I feel like the Anakin/Padme relationship stuff is ACTUALLY WORSE than Kid Anakin and all the JarJar in TPM. The action in AotC is better than TPM, though. That's about all I'll give it.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 22, 2016, 09:41:18 PM
That's roughly what mine would be, I think. Maybe switch Jedi and Rogue One, depending on my mood. AotC and TPM are undeniably the worst, though, with Sith being a bit better but not a lot better.
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Post by: Himu on December 22, 2016, 09:45:25 PM
Empire = Jedi > TFA > ANH >>>>>>>> R1 > fuck if I know
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Post by: Human Snorenado on December 22, 2016, 09:46:13 PM
Yeah, people act like RotS is a lot better than the first two, but it's honestly not. The action scenes are all pretty good, though. I think at the time people were just so happy it was going to be over they overrated it.
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Post by: Himu on December 22, 2016, 09:47:53 PM
AOTC is my least favorite. Seeing Yoda doing ninja flips just felt wrong.

I didn't like a single trilogy film and have only seen them once and only once.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 22, 2016, 09:50:50 PM
Remember in AotC where Obi-wan spent nearly the entire movie trying to figure out what was going on with the clones and then Yoda just shows up and is like "Well, we got a clone army now, I guess"? :neogaf
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Post by: Human Snorenado on December 22, 2016, 09:53:52 PM
The Jedi order kinda deserved to get wiped out, real talk
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Post by: chronovore on December 22, 2016, 11:15:17 PM
Remember in AotC where Obi-wan spent nearly the entire movie trying to figure out what was going on with the clones and then Yoda just shows up and is like "Well, we got a clone army now, I guess"? :neogaf

THIS. ONE HUNDRED TIMES, THIS.

The movie kicks its own legs out from under it. The interesting part, Obi-Wan's investigation, turns out to expose all this fuckery FOR NOTHING. No-one blinks. The uninteresting part, stalker/bodyguard Anakin can slurp my tumescent chub. Hayden Christiansen is not a bad actor, but that movie buried him.
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Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 23, 2016, 07:38:17 AM
TPM is the best prequel, despite being shit. AOTC is completely boring and ROTS fails on basic movie making requirements like characterization. At least TPM seems like it has a bit of spark to it here and there.
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Post by: Momo on December 23, 2016, 07:54:26 AM
I havent really thought about this since a year ago, but there is no way to redeem Kylo Ren post TFA
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Post by: Oblivion on December 23, 2016, 08:44:40 AM
Not a popular opinion, I'm sure, but it's hard to decide if I enjoyed the prequels or TFA more.

I'm not trying to defend the prequels, as they're terribly written and terribly directed, but they actually kept my attention all the way through.

With TFA, yes there's nothing particularly offensive like Jar Jar, and there's no laughable lines like Anakin talking about sand, and it's a solid, competently made film. But overall, it was just incredibly boring. The most common complaint that people attribute to it is that it's too similar in plot to ANH. That didn't bother me, though. I cared way more about the execution, and felt it was sorely lacking. It felt rushed, lacked tension, had a shitty lead villain, and seemed to lack the same kind of tension and dread that was apparent in all the other movies.

And I'm not too fond of Rey either.
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Post by: Freyj on December 23, 2016, 11:41:16 AM
I havent really thought about this since a year ago, but there is no way to redeem Kylo Ren post TFA

If they try I'm going to be disappointed. That's Blizzard levels of retreading old ground.
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Post by: Momo on December 23, 2016, 11:52:20 AM
I havent really thought about this since a year ago, but there is no way to redeem Kylo Ren post TFA

If they try I'm going to be disappointed. That's Blizzard levels of retreading old ground.
I dont mean in the context of the story and making him turn back to the light side of the force, i mean as in save the character on a film level, what can they even do with this char now? he's effectively garbage 
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Post by: Himu on December 23, 2016, 11:54:23 AM
Return of the Jedi fucking sucks, brehs. It's prequel tier outside of the Luke/Vader/Emperor scenes. And not just the ewoks shit. The rest of the movie is dogshit, too. Everything people hate about the prequels is staring you right in the face in that movie, yet everyone was still shocked when those movies were the same dogshit he served you up 15 years earlier.

bullshit. jedi has flaws but its positives make it on par with empire for me.

it has the best and most iconic scenes in the series.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 23, 2016, 12:00:49 PM
There isn't anything in the entire PT as good as this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPZigWFyK2o

Except maybe Duel of Fates.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 23, 2016, 12:01:48 PM
whoever says jedi sucks can eat shit personally. luke vs vader is THE star wars scene.
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Post by: Momo on December 23, 2016, 12:12:19 PM
He's already cemented himself as firmly on the dark side, there's little room for a revert and it would be foolish for him to. He's pretty weak (couldn't beat Fin or Rey) although he was trained by Luke and I suppose a bit by Snoke, very little menace coming from him.  I think they could make a thing out of a self loathing, desperate villain like Maria Winters from the recent Exorcist show
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but I doubt they try this.
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Post by: VomKriege on December 23, 2016, 12:14:25 PM
Let's be fair, Star Wars is a wee bit trash as a whole.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 23, 2016, 12:18:49 PM
Let's be fair, Star Wars is a wee bit trash as a whole.

no u
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Post by: ToxicAdam on December 23, 2016, 02:58:10 PM
ROTJ was like a Zelda game. Equal parts amazing mixed with shit.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on December 23, 2016, 02:59:29 PM
Let's be fair, Star Wars is a wee bit trash as a whole.

Europeans

 :confused
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Post by: Human Snorenado on December 23, 2016, 03:19:25 PM
Eeeeehhhhhh. Gotta disagree with you, man. The stuff at Jabba's palace is mostly fun to watch, and the space battle at the end was, up until Rogue One, the best space battle in the franchise.

Pretty much everything that happens on Endor is garbage, and the end is kinda blah.

Compare that to RotS, which is pretty much just endless cringeworthy bullshit with a few nice action segments. Not feeling the comparison.

I do agree that there's a massive drop off between Empire and RotJ, but come on... nothing else in the series is even close to Empire. RotJ is fun but flawed. RotS is a piece of shit.
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Post by: Himu on December 23, 2016, 04:51:51 PM
Let's be fair, Star Wars is a wee bit trash as a whole.

My "Star Wars sux" phase was during my early 20's even though I actually liked Star Wars. Embrace the dark side, Vom. Embrace the fact that you like Star Wars. It's okay, we understand and we're here! :brazilcry You need to do this for yourself!
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Post by: VomKriege on December 23, 2016, 04:57:32 PM
I see you, Vom.  :doge

I mean yeah :yeshrug
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Post by: Himu on December 23, 2016, 05:00:52 PM
I can't hate Jedi. It was my fave growing up. I can't hate Ewoks. They're so cute! Luke turning himself in, Luke's fight with Vader and with himself as he grows closer to joining the dark side. The will he? Will he not of Jedi is GOAT on first watch and you're a naive 11 year old kid who actually bought into Hammil's performance that he was joining the dark side. I don't care what anyone says the choreography, the lighting, the direction. Vader's redemption! It is the best Star Wars has ever been and makes me hard to take people who hate Jedi seriously.

LOOK AT IT!!!

http://youtu.be/w-HFv6Ms1lw

http://youtu.be/ZuPe-ly0BHM

http://youtu.be/jDs2UGCP2Fk
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Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 23, 2016, 07:30:23 PM
What's supposed to be the good scenes in ROTS?
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 23, 2016, 09:11:39 PM
What's supposed to be the good scenes in ROTS?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hoXNXSpmng

Probably guest directed by Spielberg or something.
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Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 23, 2016, 09:40:30 PM
I guess that would be okay if their relationship was remotely believable
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Post by: Yeti on December 23, 2016, 10:30:00 PM
What's supposed to be the good scenes in ROTS?

I enjoyed the spectacle of Palpatine going full evil mode on Yoda and chucking Senate podiums at him
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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on December 23, 2016, 11:07:34 PM
Ian McDiarmid was maybe the only actor of the prequel trilogy to come out the whole thing relatively unscathed. Yeah, he's hammier than a luau, but he's also seemingly possessing of magic powers that make the Lucas-penned dialog he has to perform sound somewhat natural (within the context of the thing he's in). Maybe its only the very low bar set by the previous two films, or the fact that I haven't seen it in a decade, but I look upon Revenge of the Sith as being sporadically entertaining, perhaps even bordering on okay, maybe even good if I'm feeling charitable and can trust my hazy recollection of it.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 23, 2016, 11:11:51 PM
Revenge of the Sith is easily the worst one. It was really a growing up experince as teenager realizing something you loved as a kid could be so terrible. It's kind of the first big movie I could look at and realize how bad it was.

The terrible droid comedy that was so cringe worthy in the beginning. Which is then mixed with awful tone bending dark stuff with Anakin and Count D. Watching how dumb Anakin was and  how easily he was manipulated due to shitty writing. How dumb Yodda looked and acted in that movie. Just how sterile and boring the movie looked. That overly long fight that I couldn't bare to even find excitement.

I don't know, I just think it's an awful movie.
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Post by: Oblivion on December 25, 2016, 06:49:32 PM
As far as Rogue One goes, I actually enjoyed it quite a bit. Way moreso than TFA. It helped that I went in with zero expectations, but the movie was pretty damn fun. The main factor was due to the fact that there was a sense of tension and grand adventure and spectacle. TFA always felt minor league, and the world felt so cramped and compact and its action scenes were all (or nearly all) small scale. R1 is the movie I was hoping TFA would be.

I have to say though, with both movies, I really didn't care for the lead girls.  :yeshrug
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Post by: Himu on December 27, 2016, 02:55:11 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJgfxlgUIZY

I'm not the only one who finds R1 prequel tier :rejoice
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Post by: Stoney Mason on December 27, 2016, 04:00:45 AM
Saw it.

Umm... I don't like it as much as the reviews. I don't like it as much as the force awakens. It's certainly no prequel level disaster but I found myself often frustrated with it. The first half I liked a lot more. It was slower paced. It felt unique and different. The second half feels like a trademark Star Wars movie and that was the wrong call for my tastes. I didn't need all that. The whole point of these off shoot movies for me is that they should feel really different than the main numbered movies. It's like this movie wanted to do that but then they didn't have the balls to go full on with it. Everytime they could have went in a really really interesting fresh direction, they kept playing it safe and doing what you would expect from a Star Wars movie. I'm kinda okay with the numbered sequels doing that. But less so in these kind of movies. And more importantly I just think the force awakens does it better. That movie was generally just more fun and exciting. This movie wants to be dark and different but tonally it misses the mark a lot and often tries to be too fun and exciting for its own good when it doesn't really have the material for it. I also didn't need the handholding tie ins to the original movie. I know complaints like this sound really nitpicky but it did start to grate on me. I understand why they think they need to do that kind of stuff. But they really don't. It's not fresh and it felt kind of insulting like they are treating us like idiots.

This all sounds slightly more negative than I am about the movie. Like I said I enjoyed the first half alot. And I don't dislike this movie. I just think its kind of average for a piece of Star Wars material.

I think it looks very good. The aesthetics are great. We'll see how I feel about it over time and years down the road.
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Post by: helios on December 27, 2016, 09:09:44 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJgfxlgUIZY

I'm not the only one who finds R1 prequel tier :rejoice

That ANH edit was great and captures why R1 falters
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Post by: bork on December 27, 2016, 09:56:53 AM
My wife had never seen the original Star Wars movies before, so I tried showing her A New Hope yesterday.  She got about halfway through and couldn't take it anymore.  Said it was too boring.

:stahp

What I was noticing was how...low budget it all seemed.  I've never seen Star Wars in HD before (was watching some fan-created HD version of the original, unaltered movie) and little things about the costumes and sets really stood out.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on December 27, 2016, 12:39:50 PM
A few extra spoiler thoughts from last night.

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I didn't care for the lead actress. They simply didn't characterize her enough. I don't know this character. They didn't show any background from this character other than she loves her parents and her motivations are basically all plot derived. She seems uninterested at first. And then a crusader later in the movie and this all turns on the drop of a hat because she sees her dad in a hologram. It feels unearned.

You can compare her to Luke Skywalker in that both are kind of bland but Luke's bland was earned. You spend a ton of time with him in the first movie before any shit goes down. You know him. You see his gradual evolving. This character in rogue one didn't have that. One moment she is there and the next moment she is lecturing everybody in the rebellion about what they should be doing. I didn't love rey from Force Awakens as much as everybody else did, but the setup and her increasing involvement was still better. It's like a slightly sped up version of the original Luke Skywalker story and it still works. This all could have worked in this movie but it feels like there are missing scenes or missing better connected pieces of story. 

As far as the structure of the movie for some reason through cultural osmosis, I though the plot was going to take a James Bond approach or a Dirty Dozen approach to the structure. It doesn't. I thought both of those approaches would have been really cool but I also would have been fine with a really compelling approach whatever they did. Instead like I said in my other post, it fell into making a traditional Star Wars movie thing where we need space battles and ground battles and doing some kind of attack to open up a shield. Why? I felt like that was the laziest approach you could take. I don't need space battles in every Star Wars thing to know its a Star Wars movie. I feel like the infiltration part of the movie should have been the really clever interesting part of the movie but for me it was the worst part. It should have felt like when everybody is on the ship with Darth Vader in New Hope and they rescue Princess Leia. Sneaking around. Having interesting clever bits with them like a spy movie. It doesn't .

As we approached the ending there was a thing that was slightly pissing me off where I started to get nervous that all the side characters were going to die and the two leads would escape. I was really fearing that was going to happen so its a weird thing to say but I was very happy when everybody died including the leads. That being said, I didn't feel like much of anything at the ending unfortunately. I either didn't know these characters well enough to feel sad, or I didn't like them enough to be sad, or the journey hadn't been thrilling or suspenseful enough to be sad or wistful at the ending. It just felt like yep that happened. It was like filling in a jig saw puzzle where I always knew what was going to happen.

Stars Wars movies are very predictable. You know what's going to generally happen much like a comic book movie. But in the best Star Wars movies and comic book movies, you set aside that part of your brain and get caught up in the ride. You grew attached and your emotions take over. The original three movies do that for me. The force Awakens does that for me. This movie doesn't. Once we hit the middle part of the movie, I was always aware of where we were going and it was front and center in my brain. Maybe its because this is rehashed material. But I mostly think it's because of execution. I feel like you take the idea of this movie and make a really cool thing from it. But you have to be bold. You have to say we aren't making A Star Wars Movie. You are making a cool, fun, dark, movie that happens to be set in the Star Wars universe. I feel like they wanted to do that at certain times but they just couldn't fully embrace it for fear of alienating their core audience. 
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 31, 2016, 06:15:19 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/9w0uUmP.png)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 01, 2017, 10:13:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9VVkwRb_7M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq7WE6WiPoA

http://starwarsfans.wikia.com/wiki/Star_War_The_Third_Gathers:_The_Backstroke_of_the_West
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 01, 2017, 10:26:50 PM
Do not waaaaaaant
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 02, 2017, 12:18:19 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/fdbllbzl.png)

:dead
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: etiolate on January 02, 2017, 03:26:42 AM
Saw Rogue 1

Did not enjoy it as much as TFA, even if TFA is a routine exercise of doing ANH. One thing about R1 that I kept feeling while watching the movie was that it felt heavily influenced by recent blockbusters moreso than the influences that went into the original trilogy. A different take was expected, but I felt the influence in R1 felt all too closely familiar to other recent films rather than staking out a vibe of its own. One example would be that Eastern mysticism and film influenced the original films, but that element in R1 feels like a gag done with Asian actors rather than a part of the world itself, which felt like recent self-referential blockbusters rather than Star Wars.

So Rogue one managed to be different at times from the main films without feeling really different in a way that sticks out. I kept thinking of Katniss Everdeen does Guardians of the Galaxy.

It's still a pretty good film. It just feels off in some way. Pacing uneven, first half much better than the rest of the film, a lot of lines out of place or needlessly put in.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: helios on January 02, 2017, 07:56:38 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/fdbllbzl.png)

:dead

This is your own masterpiece would be awesome to say to someone who supremely fucked up, though.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 03, 2017, 01:46:37 PM
I'm really surprised by how well Rogue One has done over the Christmas and New Years weekends. Seems like word-of-mouth has been really strong after the first week or so.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 05, 2017, 01:23:01 AM
It's a good movie. It's uneven, but it's better than a lot of what's out there. I may end up liking it more than Ep. VII on a second viewing.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: etiolate on January 05, 2017, 02:46:37 AM
Being better than what's out there isn't hard. All the previews I saw were god awful looking remakes.

Hollywood is straight up trash right now. This is competing against Assassin's Creed and the Trolls movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 05, 2017, 05:37:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upN-7ALj2OU

 :o

Rebels looks like it's moving up to peak Clone Wars-tier
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on January 05, 2017, 06:24:01 PM
Being better than what's out there isn't hard. All the previews I saw were god awful looking remakes.

Hollywood is straight up trash right now. This is competing against Assassin's Creed and the Trolls movie.

Currently Fences, Moonlight, and Hidden Figures are in theaters. So I disagree.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: helios on January 05, 2017, 06:26:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sExTt4j69zI

Too much negativity in here.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 05, 2017, 07:41:43 PM
They are very triggered by the reception of this movie based on the number of videos they've cranked out on it. But that is a funny ass video.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 05, 2017, 09:01:42 PM
People like Star Wars movies? No way!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on January 06, 2017, 12:32:50 AM
life has too many villains  :ohhh
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on January 06, 2017, 03:00:58 AM
The part about the sponsor at the end is ruthless. The depiction of geek sycophants is pretty on point.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on January 06, 2017, 03:54:01 AM
I can't believe that after that whole bit suddenly adding in another sponsor "Nerd Box" is what got Rich to finally crack. (I'm working from the assumption they just filmed this until he did.) He's struggling earlier I think when Mike says the thing about the whole respect the troops horseshit.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on January 06, 2017, 03:58:23 AM
some guy in the GAF thread bu made posted a link to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odj6NHsWe00

the part that killed me was the titles/font discussion
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on January 06, 2017, 04:16:50 AM
Let's be fair, Star Wars is a wee bit trash as a whole.

How is this controversial? It's a poorly acted, generic heroes journey, and half of the movies are unwatchable.

Being better than what's out there isn't hard. All the previews I saw were god awful looking remakes.

Hollywood is straight up trash right now. This is competing against Assassin's Creed and the Trolls movie.

Currently Fences, Moonlight, and Hidden Figures are in theaters. So I disagree.

2/3rds of those were produced outside of Hollywood lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on January 06, 2017, 05:03:57 AM
Other than the first one it's kinda amusing to note the now four best well received Star Wars films were not directed by, nor screen written by, George Lucas. (He only has story credit on Empire and Jedi IIRC.) And Lawrence Kasdan was the writer on three of them. (Empire, Jedi and Force Awakens)

And really when you go back and compare some of that dialogue in the first one (ask bork's wife) to the next two when Ford and Fisher and Hamill pushed back and played a role in doing their own dialogue/characterization...you can kinda see the Prequels amazing work coming. :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 06, 2017, 12:53:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sExTt4j69zI

Too much negativity in here.

They've aped the YouTuber bullshit so well, I can't even watch it as parody.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on January 07, 2017, 05:18:25 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/dzbgw7a.png)

:neogaf :expert
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on January 07, 2017, 08:24:33 PM
How much is that in real money?

freal though, why?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: helios on January 07, 2017, 08:37:14 PM
Because nerds
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on January 07, 2017, 08:53:56 PM
How much is that in real money?

freal though, why?

14 228,13 US$ at current rate.
I read, where I got the link to the page, that it also happens to be the second biggest LEGO set (over 5000 pieces, it's big). It sold at over 500$ back when it was released. The ridiculous price is probably the seller getting crazy ideas on how much he can scalp needy geeks but the price for used ones (Almost 4000$) seems in line with the most repeated estimates...
Apparently, because of the scarcity, some fans decided it was easier to just buy several thousands individual pieces to do the model. There's guides :
https://www.reddit.com/r/lego/comments/2wksds/the_cheapskates_guide_to_bricklinking_a_10179_ucs/

It's my understanding that LEGO really went down hard on the niche of adults with disposable income when they realized a decade ago there was a ton of money to milk there. Those elaborate sets (Star Wars, famous monuments) are not kid's toys by any means.

And yeah. Geeks. :kobeyuck

EDIT :
Some dude added 100$ of LED lights into his, because why not ?
http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?/forums/topic/57894-10179-ucs-falcon-pricing/&do=findComment&comment=1256070
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on January 07, 2017, 09:29:49 PM
Makes sense. Funny how this stuff probably sells a shitload more to than the obviously adult-targeted stuff like the Fallingwater model and shit
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on January 07, 2017, 09:50:06 PM
I can picture the owners going nuclear every time a kid roams around their 80cm Falcon.

- Daddy, toy ! I can dismount pieces and do a house !
- NO  :bolo
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Purrp Skirrp on January 07, 2017, 10:59:32 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/bamEwFN.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on January 08, 2017, 06:04:32 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzTNdgjvlr0
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on January 08, 2017, 12:11:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sExTt4j69zI

Too much negativity in here.

They've aped the YouTuber bullshit so well, I can't even watch it as parody.

the intro is so good for this. I thought it was real at first but can't stop laughing at how on the mark it is
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 08, 2017, 04:56:18 PM
How much is that in real money?

freal though, why?

14 228,13 US$ at current rate.
I read, where I got the link to the page, that it also happens to be the second biggest LEGO set (over 5000 pieces, it's big). It sold at over 500$ back when it was released. The ridiculous price is probably the seller getting crazy ideas on how much he can scalp needy geeks but the price for used ones (Almost 4000$) seems in line with the most repeated estimates...
Apparently, because of the scarcity, some fans decided it was easier to just buy several thousands individual pieces to do the model. There's guides :
https://www.reddit.com/r/lego/comments/2wksds/the_cheapskates_guide_to_bricklinking_a_10179_ucs/

It's my understanding that LEGO really went down hard on the niche of adults with disposable income when they realized a decade ago there was a ton of money to milk there. Those elaborate sets (Star Wars, famous monuments) are not kid's toys by any means.

And yeah. Geeks. :kobeyuck

EDIT :
Some dude added 100$ of LED lights into his, because why not ?
http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?/forums/topic/57894-10179-ucs-falcon-pricing/&do=findComment&comment=1256070
Yeah, a friend has the 1.5 meter Imperial Star Destroyer. It was stupid expensive as well. Hell, I was a grown ass man when the Star Wars LEGO first came out, and I dropped money on new brick for the first time in a decade. It is surprisingly irresistible.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 08, 2017, 08:24:45 PM
Um, I own several expensive Star Wars sets. Imperial Shuttle, Star Destroyer, Millennium Falcon, X-Wing.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 09, 2017, 05:57:19 PM
Taking her waAAaayyy too literally:
(http://68.media.tumblr.com/b7f6ed82eac04866d972dfb8041d3942/tumblr_o5pcekSLrz1sagoswo1_500.png)
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://68.media.tumblr.com/ed2764ae4a178131d9a7d8c8c2c9ba3e/tumblr_o5pcekSLrz1sagoswo2_500.png)
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Um, I own several expensive Star Wars sets. Imperial Shuttle, Star Destroyer, Millennium Falcon, X-Wing.
Not sure what the "um" is for -- I'm not pointing fingers and giggling. Shit, two days ago I used one entire check-in bag on my flight back from the USA to "rescue" the Lego I'd left in storage for 15 years.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on January 09, 2017, 06:13:42 PM
Um, I own several expensive Star Wars sets. Imperial Shuttle, Star Destroyer, Millennium Falcon, X-Wing.
Not sure what the "um" is for -- I'm not pointing fingers and giggling. Shit, two days ago I used one entire check-in bag on my flight back from the USA to "rescue" the Lego I'd left in storage for 15 years.

 :point
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 11, 2017, 09:10:58 PM
http://www.starwars.com/news/woody-harrelson-signs-on-for-young-han-solo-film


 :lucas
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 11, 2017, 09:40:31 PM
Untitled Han Solo Star Wars Anthology Film is shaping up to be the best of the new Star Wars movies. :whew
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 13, 2017, 11:54:12 PM
http://www.starwars.com/news/a-statement-regarding-new-rumors


This is good, this is right.


However, you KNOW they're going to backtrack on this in 10 years when they do Episode IV ½ and Episode V ½ to fill out the original trilogy.  :-\
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on January 17, 2017, 05:16:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIIoMaidXq0
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 17, 2017, 05:33:08 PM
I haven't been able to see Rogue One yet  :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Brehvolution on January 19, 2017, 10:37:56 AM
http://imgur.com/gallery/OLyLu
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2017, 11:38:48 AM
Hamill really lives for the fan/con experience and seems like a great dude. Wasn't a fan of TFA but I'm glad he (presumably) got a nice payday for it. Curious what he'll do in the next film.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 19, 2017, 11:47:31 AM
Rogue One spoilers:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x55kcsb

:rejoice Only version of it I could find online.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on January 19, 2017, 11:54:04 AM
I SAW THAT AND I CLAPPED
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 19, 2017, 11:58:57 AM
I SAW THAT AND I CLAPPED

Get out of my theater! *calls Alamo Draft House*
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 19, 2017, 12:20:10 PM
I LIKED IT CAUSE IT WAS DIFFERENT!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 19, 2017, 02:33:31 PM
:piss RLM :piss2

:bow Vader doin' cool stuff again :bow2 :rejoice
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on January 19, 2017, 03:25:09 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/PJ41mCU.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: zomgee on January 23, 2017, 11:13:23 AM
Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1061/1924/files/Thinking_Face_Emoji.png)


Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 23, 2017, 11:21:29 AM
(http://a.dilcdn.com/bl/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2017/01/viii-logo-tall-1536x864-414669331908.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bork on January 23, 2017, 11:21:47 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/UiSs62W.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 23, 2017, 11:21:56 AM
You know, Rey, we really are the last jedi.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on January 23, 2017, 11:27:30 AM
You know, Rey, we really are the last jedi.

Beat me to it !
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on January 23, 2017, 11:30:02 AM
(http://static.rogerebert.com/uploads/movie/movie_poster/the-last-samurai-2003/large_cRz4FRx731ulws6zHuQVaDXpx73.jpg)

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/ZAU4pnkFjIfjE6n9oqKIbw--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAw/http://l.yimg.com/cd/resizer/2.0/original/5HTu3zKM9ypvpjzXoh46V8wGC5k)


 :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 23, 2017, 11:43:08 AM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f3/Denver_the_Last_Dinosaur_title_card.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on January 23, 2017, 12:08:44 PM
Exclusive storyboard art:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/%C3%9Altima_Cena_-_Da_Vinci_5.jpg/800px-%C3%9Altima_Cena_-_Da_Vinci_5.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 23, 2017, 12:22:15 PM
Meh on the name but LOVE the red logo. Looks fucking tight.

Trailer plz
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 23, 2017, 01:39:00 PM
Trailer plz

Shouldn't be too much longer before we get one.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Yeti on January 23, 2017, 07:50:55 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0e/Last_action_hero_ver2.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 23, 2017, 08:19:57 PM
Let me guess. Rey trains with Luke, finds out her friends are in trouble, decides to leave her training and help her friends...but not before bad guys find her location and attack. They kill Luke, he tells her she's the last jedi, then she goes and saves her buddies.
:beli

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 23, 2017, 08:25:29 PM
Let me guess. Rey trains with Luke, finds out her friends are in trouble, decides to leave her training and help her friends...but not before bad guys find her location and attack. They kill Luke, he tells her she's the last jedi, then she goes and saves her buddies.
:beli



Then she makes out with her sister. :aah
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 23, 2017, 08:30:45 PM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/9e/db/41/9edb4156b3dd52ee439f241da525a1b9.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 23, 2017, 08:46:14 PM
Let me guess. Rey trains with Luke, finds out her friends are in trouble, decides to leave her training and help her friends...but not before bad guys find her location and attack. They kill Luke, he tells her she's the last jedi, then she goes and saves her buddies.
:beli



Yes, that's exactly it, you figured out.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 23, 2017, 09:43:11 PM
Let me guess. Rey trains with Luke, finds out her friends are in trouble, decides to leave her training and help her friends...but not before bad guys find her location and attack. They kill Luke, he tells her she's the last jedi, then she goes and saves her buddies.
:beli



Yes, that's exactly it, you figured out.
i did it mom
(http://i.imgur.com/fGqLw0h.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on January 24, 2017, 06:53:13 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky9-eIlHzAE
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 26, 2017, 12:12:27 AM
https://twitter.com/outstarwalker/status/824238111722967045
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Brehvolution on January 27, 2017, 04:39:48 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/cr9rL1f.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 27, 2017, 08:41:30 PM
Supreme Leader Snoke IDENTITY REVEALED:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://i.imgur.com/mJIng8k.jpg)
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 :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 28, 2017, 06:38:54 AM
Snoke was such a goddamn shitty villain  :lol


He's just the big, mysterious Wizard of Oz floating head of intimidation, same as The Emperor was in Episode V.


What'd you think of Kylo Ren?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on January 28, 2017, 10:47:20 AM
Watched Rogue One with the wife last night.
It was honestly, a bit of a mess. the music was everywhere like a cow on a slippery killing floor, and you can tell they excised large chunks and re-did others, there were things that were sorta dumb to waste time on and wasted time that could have been better put to use in stuff like building out the characters. That being said, it was still a fun and entertaining mess. It would be interesting to see the original cut because it's obvious that Disney did the best they could to salvage it, and it's a huge credit to them that they were able to. There were a few things that were eye roll worthy (the scene where they have to climb the tower at the end? Come on. And the obvious fact that the two main characters were supposed to fall for each other at the end. thank god Disney was smarter than Whitta and took that out. And the CG of the characters? Especially Leia? Come on Disney, you're mother fucking Disney, how in the world did you get this so wrong? You make magic happen regularly everywhere, but you couldn't do it here?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 30, 2017, 06:19:49 PM
Just saw it with the wife as well.

It wasnt quite as good as I hoped but the ending was pretty cool as wel as the final battle, and that droid was cool.

Agree on the Leia cgi.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 30, 2017, 08:17:05 PM
What'd you think of Kylo Ren?

Mixed feelings on Ren. He's disappointing as a villain, but very interesting as a character.

Rey going Super Saiyan like a day after learning to use the Force was kind of weird though. Sure, Ren had taken a shot to the gut, but he still shouldn't be losing to someone who isn't even Padawan level yet.

In spite of that, he's the most interesting character in the First Order by far. Hux was even shittier than Snoke was.


Agreed that Hux was disappointing. I'm quite fond of Domhnall Gleason, enjoyed him in that time travel movie with Bill Nighy, and the Black Mirror episode was pretty heart wrenching as well. He was just a stereotypical, scenery chewing Nazi in TFA.

I'm not sure what was up with Rey, but her Force powers didn't bother me. She looked less like a Jedi and more like she was channeling rage and anger, which overwhelmed Kylo Ren.

What I like about Kylo is that he represents part of the nature of what Star Wars has become. He's filled with doubt and has self-worth issues. He wants to be worthy of Darth Vader's legacy, but he knows he can only fall short.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on February 04, 2017, 02:54:02 AM
the album is out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30cUYuRj7Us

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1PhK2WIEpM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qmG-UxR82k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtERXN7YPsg

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nohQReM7BpI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPV9NNvtL20
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: zomgee on February 04, 2017, 12:01:24 PM
jesus that is really intolerable
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 04, 2017, 02:21:40 PM
Still the GOAT:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0stS1naeOfk
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: zomgee on February 04, 2017, 04:25:46 PM
I have that album.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on February 05, 2017, 02:19:46 PM
The thing I like about Rogue One is that it's a good "your personal ideology has such a grip on your mind that it interferes with your watching comprehension" test.

Rebellions are built on hope, and they're also built on: highly placed defectors, "unreasonable" insurgencies, the tendency of states to centralize administration, individual unwillingness to just "follow orders," and a collective willingness to break with political bodies that have abdicated their mission.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 05, 2017, 04:20:10 PM
The thing I like about Rogue One is that it's a good "your personal ideology has such a grip on your mind that it interferes with your watching comprehension" test.

Rebellions are built on hope, and they're also built on: highly placed defectors, "unreasonable" insurgencies, the tendency of states to centralize administration, individual unwillingness to just "follow orders," and a collective willingness to break with political bodies that have abdicated their mission.

They're also full of cute brunettes.  :-*
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on February 05, 2017, 06:49:21 PM
The thing I like about Rogue One is that it's a good "your personal ideology has such a grip on your mind that it interferes with your watching comprehension" test.

Rebellions are built on hope, and they're also built on: highly placed defectors, "unreasonable" insurgencies, the tendency of states to centralize administration, individual unwillingness to just "follow orders," and a collective willingness to break with political bodies that have abdicated their mission.

They're also full of cute brunettes.  :-*


That's a black carapace, not hair. I don't think we can call K2-SO a brunette.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on February 05, 2017, 07:27:18 PM
The thing I like about Rogue One is that it's a good "your personal ideology has such a grip on your mind that it interferes with your watching comprehension" test.

Rebellions are built on hope, and they're also built on: highly placed defectors, "unreasonable" insurgencies, the tendency of states to centralize administration, individual unwillingness to just "follow orders," and a collective willingness to break with political bodies that have abdicated their mission.

They're also full of cute brunettes.  :-*

If you'd read some Maoist-Third Worldist texts you'd have already known that. :dolezal
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on February 05, 2017, 08:10:00 PM
The thing I like about Rogue One is that it's a good "your personal ideology has such a grip on your mind that it interferes with your watching comprehension" test.

Rebellions are built on hope, and they're also built on: highly placed defectors, "unreasonable" insurgencies, the tendency of states to centralize administration, individual unwillingness to just "follow orders," and a collective willingness to break with political bodies that have abdicated their mission.

They're also full of cute brunettes.  :-*

If you'd read some Maoist-Third Worldist texts you'd have already known that. :dolezal

Red One
(http://i.imgur.com/fMisxWz.jpg?1)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 05, 2017, 09:05:44 PM
The thing I like about Rogue One is that it's a good "your personal ideology has such a grip on your mind that it interferes with your watching comprehension" test.

Rebellions are built on hope, and they're also built on: highly placed defectors, "unreasonable" insurgencies, the tendency of states to centralize administration, individual unwillingness to just "follow orders," and a collective willingness to break with political bodies that have abdicated their mission.

They're also full of cute brunettes.  :-*

If you'd read some Maoist-Third Worldist texts you'd have already known that. :dolezal

Send me your newsletter and/or dick pics. :noah
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on February 10, 2017, 04:45:33 PM
Fan animated short, gotta respect the amount of work. Like the visual render too, it has a somewhat Aeon Flux quality to the slighty janky animation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_CP4SuoTU
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on February 11, 2017, 12:06:45 AM
Fan animated short, gotta respect the amount of work. Like the visual render too, it has a somewhat Aeon Flux quality to the slighty janky animation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_CP4SuoTU


Janky?! That's easily as polished as anything Gainax put out in its heyday. Fantastic.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on February 12, 2017, 08:06:23 AM
Complete garbage. Gainax? more like gaynax!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on February 13, 2017, 12:37:37 AM
Rewatched The Force Awakens this morning. On repeated rewatches, the amount of content cribbed from Episodes IV and V is nearly overwhelming. The awkward introduction of named characters is also ham-handed:


"What's your name?"
"FN2917"
"I'm going to call you Finn. I AM POE DAMERON."
"NICE TO MEET YOU, POE DAMERON."
"GOOD TO MEET YOU, FINN."


LATER:
"What's YOUR name?"
"I'm FINN."
"I'm REY."


::)


The bits with the old characters going out of their way to validate the young ones is also clumsy. "I LIKE THIS ONE," says Han. Jeez.

Still liked it a bunch.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on February 15, 2017, 02:43:32 AM
Rewatched The Force Awakens this morning. On repeated rewatches, the amount of content cribbed from Episodes IV and V is nearly overwhelming. The awkward introduction of named characters is also ham-handed:


"What's your name?"
"FN2917"
"I'm going to call you Finn. I AM POE DAMERON."
"NICE TO MEET YOU, POE DAMERON."
"GOOD TO MEET YOU, FINN."


LATER:
"What's YOUR name?"
"I'm FINN."
"I'm REY."


::)


The bits with the old characters going out of their way to validate the young ones is also clumsy. "I LIKE THIS ONE," says Han. Jeez.

Still liked it a bunch.
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directed, co-produced and co-written by J. J. Abrams.
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Abrams ... rewrote an initial script by Michael Arndt
:doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on February 18, 2017, 06:30:54 AM
"Last Jedi" is a plural in the official french translation. Same for the spanish.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Trent Dole on February 18, 2017, 06:17:19 PM
Rewatched The Force Awakens this morning. On repeated rewatches, the amount of content cribbed from Episodes IV and V is nearly overwhelming. The awkward introduction of named characters is also ham-handed:


"What's your name?"
"FN2917"
"I'm going to call you Finn. I AM POE DAMERON."
"NICE TO MEET YOU, POE DAMERON."
"GOOD TO MEET YOU, FINN."


LATER:
"What's YOUR name?"
"I'm FINN."
"I'm REY."


::)


The bits with the old characters going out of their way to validate the young ones is also clumsy. "I LIKE THIS ONE," says Han. Jeez.

Still liked it a bunch.
I know somebody who referred to TFA as EpIV Affirmative Action edition. :teehee
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 23, 2017, 12:16:21 PM
http://makingstarwars.net/2017/02/rumor-unaltered-original-star-wars-trilogy-re-released-year/
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 23, 2017, 01:53:00 PM
Aaaawww yiissss
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 23, 2017, 02:48:07 PM
I always figured Disney would wait until the sequel trilogy was finished and then do  theatrical rererereleases of the OT followed by a a 12 movie, 27 disc Ultimate Edition fuckfest with 8K remasters of the Ewok movies, but tbh I could give two shits about any of that. Even TFA and RO, that I enjoyed, I don't really care about owning on BD. Just give me remastered copies of the unaltered OT asap and I will be over the moon. We've waited long enough.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Oblivion on February 23, 2017, 04:21:23 PM
R1 has a lot of weird writing and directing in it. Like that scene when Jyn and Cassian talk on the ship after her father gets killed.  Look at this exchange (I'm paraphrasing and also missing some lines, but here's the gist):

Jyn: Those were rebel bombs that killed them! You were sent there to kill him, weren't you?
Cassian: I had orders to kill him. Orders that I disobeyed!
Jyn: Orders? Even though you knew they were wrong? You're not better than a storm trooper.

BITCH! He just said he fricken disobeyed them!


Aside from that there were just some weird instances of acting, which I'm not sure if it was due to some of the characters (since they were foreigners) or if it was cause they got shitty directing, but either way, it bugged me.

Still enjoyed it waaaay more than TFA.

Still the GOAT:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0stS1naeOfk

Sounds like Rainbow Road from Mario Kart: Double Dash.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 24, 2017, 02:30:47 PM
http://makingstarwars.net/2017/02/rumor-unaltered-original-star-wars-trilogy-re-released-year/

Nope

http://thedigitalbits.com/columns/my-two-cents/022417-0100#.WK_gSm5QL20

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Gluck was asked there about Star Wars and reported that the original cut negative for the film currently exists in its “SE” configuration only. (There’s more info, so do continue on past the jump.)

In addition, 20th Century Fox’s Senior Vice President of Library and Technical Services, Shawn Belston, was also on hand at the Wexner event last night. He confirmed that all of the “trims” removed from the original cut negative (in the mid-1990s, to create the SEs) still exist as well. (Thanks to Bits reader Chuck P., who attended this event, for his firsthand report.) So what does all that mean to you?

In summary: While it is essentially technically true that the ‘77 cut negative “no longer exists” in its original state, it is also technically true that it could be re-built if so desired. All of the needed film elements still survive and have been preserved. Nevertheless, if one takes Gluck and Belston at their word (and knowing them as we do, we certainly do) this would seem to be fairly official word that no such reconstruction work has been done to date. Thus, it appears that there is little chance of the original 1977 Star Wars being released on any home video format in 2017.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on February 26, 2017, 03:20:25 AM
I'm not even sure you have to reconstruct anything physically anymore, the original bits trimmed and stored away separately could probably be scanned on their own and the film edited in its original form digitally (then being shot back on a new film reel from there for archiving purposes if needed). Besides it seems ludicrous that Lucasfilm wouldn't have the original movies in some form, even if not negative, on second or third generation elements or at the very worst couldn't access a broadcast copy. Obviously the negative is always the superior choice for image quality, but I mean most people who saw it in theaters back then did so on copies far removed from the original anyway, it's an OK source for digital scanning... Anyway, the weird vague explanations from Lucas always sounded bullshit and this seem to confirm that they could restore and distribute the original versions, but there's no will to do so on the part of the people calling the shots.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on February 26, 2017, 04:05:03 AM
At this point, is it really even that big of a deal? How many people all about the "original" films were even alive when the original trilogy came out? On GAF, how many were even old enough to be aware when the special editions were released in 1997? All these brehs obsessed with the idea of the unadulterated OT very likely have no idea what that actually looks like.

:yeshrug :larry
I mean, film buffs got seizures when William Friedkin changed the grading of French Connection (in a pretty extreme manner) without even giving a heads up to the cinematographer and making up some grade-A Friedkin post ex facto bullshitting ("Really I always wanted to grade it like Moby Dick with a poor Technicolor aspect of red bleeding everywhere"  ::)). But it's a pretty complex discussion (Is an artist allowed to touch up his work later down the line ? Does't a work exist in the moment it was originally created ? On works created by large teams like films, who is even the "artist" ?) we're not going to solve here. For what it is worth, I do believe it would be a good thing to have the "Original cuts" available for historic purposes and because they're, without much debate, the stronger/superior versions.

It's actually a fairly common occurence that the film is re-edited (and tweaked) for a variety of reasons but until recently and the advent of so called "director's cut" it was rarely as drastic as that and often internal to the "sausage factory" part of the business.

Do enough people care to force the hand of Lucas, Lucasfilm and or / Disney ? I guess reality is telling us that "no". I don't know who exactly get a say in this and if it is Lucas just being stiff on the issue or the suits not wanting to dilute the brand by circulating different versions of a movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2017, 04:18:57 AM
The DVD's they released in 2006 had two discs, the re-re-re-remastered version (with the new lightsabers and Hayden Christensen inserted, also they reversed the sound channels by accident in the first movie or something) and then the original theatrical cut. But the latter was taken from the 4:3 letterboxed LaserDisc releases rather than the original film so it's all blurry and low contrast.

There's fan edits that already take from the various versions to reconstruct them. Along with versions that put everything in to be "complete" since George has cut things back out.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2017, 04:43:57 AM
I've never felt the Star Wars edits are all that big of deal for the most part compared to other "Director's Cuts" or whatever.

Look at Robert Wise re-editing Star Trek: The Motion Picture twenty years later, or Donner getting a second crack at Superman 2. Hell, the Batman v. Superman Ultimate Edition restores two entire plotlines and reshuffles Luthor's to make more sense. Waterworld and Kingdom of Heaven have cuts that drastically alter the film restoring plotlines and characters. Daredevil even has a better cut.

The Star Wars stuff is little "polishes" around the edges or tweaks to effects. Both Lucas and Spielberg have been obsessed with these at times. Close Encounters has like four different slight cuts and he went back over ET rather infamously. But they don't really change the movie to where you'd really notice 90+% of them unless you watched them back to back or something. Sure you can criticize them as unnecessary or even worse but they don't really mess with the core of the movie plot, even pacing wise for the most part. BvS and TMP's longer cuts felt quicker to me because they're paced way better despite the extra footage and scenes. It's like that homeless guy who drinks cough syrup talks about sometimes on the youtubes.

And a lot of the longer stuff that does change in Star Wars was pre-existing deleted scenes I saw a bunch as a kid like Jabba in the first one when it was some fat dude that they just pasted CGI over.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on February 26, 2017, 06:17:00 AM
You're not wrong but the additions being trivial is actually more of a problem. The main issue is that they're tacky and jarring. The added CGI breaks the cohesiveness and immersion.

It's like compositing talkie walkies instead of shotguns in ET. I mean... Yeah you can but why ? But I'm of the school that directors shouldn't tweak movies past a certain delay. Though sometimes it can't be avoided.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on February 26, 2017, 09:31:12 AM
On works created by large teams like films, who is even the "artist" ?

This reminds me of one of my favorite members of the movie junkie clique I ran with when I lived in LA: They considered movies art (with the Western interpretation that the director was the artist), but would argue that Andy Warhol wasn't an artist because he didn't actually make his art.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2017, 01:18:57 PM
At this point, is it really even that big of a deal?

To me yes. For both historical purposes and for reasons that I think all the additions are awful. The lighting is weird too (changed). Not everybody on here or on GAF are 18-24. 

Not to mention on the strength of some decent marketing I think they could make a shit-load of money by just good marketing. The idea of some unaltered original vision is a strong selling point that even people who don't care about could be marketed to like the gullible sheep they are. The same way Disney marketed their "Vault" stuff for all their classic animated properties.

The main issue is that nobody is suggesting the new versions should go away. People just want an option. Currently they don't have one.

Unless you are willing to find and download the de-specialized edition.


I've never felt the Star Wars edits are all that big of deal for the most part compared to other "Director's Cuts" or whatever.

Look at Robert Wise re-editing Star Trek: The Motion Picture twenty years later, or Donner getting a second crack at Superman 2. Hell, the Batman v. Superman Ultimate Edition restores two entire plotlines and reshuffles Luthor's to make more sense. Waterworld and Kingdom of Heaven have cuts that drastically alter the film restoring plotlines and characters. Daredevil even has a better cut.

The Star Wars stuff is little "polishes" around the edges or tweaks to effects. Both Lucas and Spielberg have been obsessed with these at times. Close Encounters has like four different slight cuts and he went back over ET rather infamously. But they don't really change the movie to where you'd really notice 90+% of them unless you watched them back to back or something. Sure you can criticize them as unnecessary or even worse but they don't really mess with the core of the movie plot, even pacing wise for the most part. BvS and TMP's longer cuts felt quicker to me because they're paced way better despite the extra footage and scenes. It's like that homeless guy who drinks cough syrup talks about sometimes on the youtubes.

And a lot of the longer stuff that does change in Star Wars was pre-existing deleted scenes I saw a bunch as a kid like Jabba in the first one when it was some fat dude that they just pasted CGI over.

For me the issue has never been a debate over the degree of tinkering or not. The issue reminds me a lot of the concept of modding in gaming. I'm fine with people twiddling and fucking with something as much as they want. Just as I'm fine with fan edits. I quite like both concepts. But I always want a vanilla backup "pristine"  original copy available also.

In the specific case of Star Wars I think most of the additions are stupid crap but I'm fine with the idea that he's allowed to do all that shit. I just think its nasty and deceitful to not give fans the option to not partake in it if they don't want to. It's like nope. You either get all the shit I added or nothing at all. Very dickish.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on February 26, 2017, 02:19:16 PM
On works created by large teams like films, who is even the "artist" ?

This reminds me of one of my favorite members of the movie junkie clique I ran with when I lived in LA: They considered movies art (with the Western interpretation that the director was the artist), but would argue that Andy Warhol wasn't an artist because he didn't actually make his art.
"movie junkie clique" sounds like some real ruffians  :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on February 26, 2017, 02:41:40 PM
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But I always want a vanilla backup "pristine"  original copy available also.

It's debatable that films (and several other works of art) actually do have a definitive "original" or "pristine" state. By definition most films were experienced through inferior copies of the original negative (or even worse, video) in fairly random conditions sometimes to the point of affecting grading or framing (for stuff completely out of the control of the creators, how long had the bulb of the projector been in service, how poorly you set up your TV etc...). That's on top of the variety of different cuts that may have been done during the first commercial run of the film, sometimes on behest at the director, sometimes for needs of the production.

I understand it sounds a bit like an academic debate because the SE additions are not exactly subtle. Still, the fact remains that the owners (whether of artistic or commercial rights) of those artworks are still overwhemingly private entities and while I agree with the sentiment, they're not under any obligation to provide anything to consumers for the sake of the history of the medium.

Andlook at it from the POV of Lucas (or any other director tinkering his work sevqeral years later) : he's "improving" the films. Why would you let people experience an "inferior" version anyway ?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on February 26, 2017, 03:01:47 PM
Look at it this way : Any old film "remastered" or restored or whatever the distribution company labels it you've seen recently ? It was probably color graded for the release and it's impossible to tell if it's really faithful to the original material or even if the people supervising it gave a rat's ass about keeping in line with historic fidelity. Sometimes there's just no one to ask anymore anyway because the director, DoP, grader and lab technicians are all long deceased, but it's not like well alive directors or DoP are above just tinkering with their work (it's actually been fairly common to see them "get more out of the film thanks to the new tools of digital grading" : See French Connection and Friedkin, the 10 years old remasterisation of Suspiria, etc...). In fact I believe experience proves it's fairly useless to expect the original makers to have a photographic, exact memory of what they were doing 20 years ago.

You'd think film historians would be brought in into the process but really AFAIK it's fairly rare.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2017, 03:04:51 PM
The debate here isn't legal in any sense of course. No one is disputing what is legal for a corporation to do with their film. This is all a debate about artistic inspirations, and what is ethical and moral.

In the same way that filmmakers rebelled against the colorization of black and white films, because they felt it was an artistic and moral sin.

I think getting to view a movie the same way it was originally presented is essentially the consumer version of that argument. We have a moral and artistic right to view a film as it was originally presented if that is at all feasible. Which is different from a legal right. There are of course always comprises in this due to changing technology, degradation, etc, but I think in this specific case we all mostly know what we want here for Star Wars versus what is currently available on the market.

The other argument I think that is relevant for a corporation is a money-making imperative under-girding all this and I truly believe that as a money making proposition you can justify any expenditure this would cost and recoup it back in spades. I can already see how easy this would be to market.

"See the film for the first time"
"See Star Wars like you've never seen it before"
"See what you haven't been allowed to see.. Until Now"

The marketing writes itself. People would eat it up whether they understand the artistic implications or not. Just selling the fact that you can see something that is a brand new experience is always a great motivator for people. I would argue more so at this point than trying to hump out a new box set of Star Wars every 10 years for an anniversary edition.

Then there is the issue of the good will it would generate which is not something you can financially accurately measure but I guarantee it will have an effect because it just makes everybody feel positive about the franchise whether the small percentage of people actually begging for this or not is that large a percentage.

The last bit is that I don't deny the artistic vision of any director who wants to tinker with his shit. There are some people who are fundamentally of the position that a director shouldn't mess with his stuff once its out there (or any art for that matter). That isn't my position. I think all art is living and breathing and able to be remixed by the original creator or fans. Art doesn't have to be static. It can be dynamic and changing. Put a hat on the mona lisa and give her wings for all I care. That's art too. But there will always be people that want that original thing also or as close as an approximation as they can get. I think by not serving that audience a corporation is not doing the artistic and ethical thing which moviemakers like to harp on about but we all know its really about the money motivation. This is a case where I think they can serve both masters. They are doing the right thing ethically here. They can also make money. They can also serve an audience who isn't getting what they want currently. They can also continue to tweak the shit out of it if they want by releasing future special editions where they re-animate every dead actor for future special editions and insert them singing and tap dancing in them (kidding...although not really because of Rogue One)

My issue about this whole thing is that imo it makes so much sense to absolutely do it. Very little to not do it. Even the money angle. The only person who doesn't want it is George Lucas. So I don't understand the hold up. It's like Selling Coke. Diet Coke. Sugar Free Coke, etc.

I would bet my life they will absolutely do it one day whether its 1 year from now. 5 years from now. Or 20 years from now. Are we just waiting for Lucas to die so we don't offend him?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on February 26, 2017, 03:51:03 PM
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I think getting to view a movie the same way it was originally presented is essentially the consumer version of that argument.

Not to belabor the point, but for movies shot on film, you're probably never will experience them as they were originally made, for a variety of reasons. Yeah, some of the differences (like les loss of picture quality from tyhe original negative to the copies used in theaters) are fairly minute and will probably fly above the head of 99.9% of the viewers but they do exist. Again, I understand we're entering some fairly academic debates here when the SE alterations maybe don't qualify but if I think it's important to consider.

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We have a moral and artistic right to view a film as it was originally presented if that is at all feasible.

Do we ?
You're not entitled to a first copy edition of Don Quixote (another work that was tweaked a bit) and a museum has no obligation to put on public display a painting it might have in stock.
Not to be a cynic, but the thing is that the legal right (which gets fairly complex with films) is really all there is to it in the movie industry. Preservation efforts are mostly down to the commercial potential of held catalogs and whatever is feasible. And the sad thing is that it may actually work better under the guidance of the market than not. Film museums might be more inclined to artistic arguments but they can't match the money and work expanded by film majors.

As for the release of the unaltered films ? Yeah I sort of agree with you. It's the "FF7 remake" scenario : It's a nice ace in the hole to have, but you can probably use it only once. But Disney's goal is to sell us new shit, really. I mean the original trilogy is probably plenty profitable, but some old seventies movie with goofy models ain't gonna be the be all of end all of billion makers going forward. Casablanca surely will make money for many more years, but that's not the business model pillar of whoever has the rights to it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on February 26, 2017, 04:39:44 PM
On works created by large teams like films, who is even the "artist" ?

This reminds me of one of my favorite members of the movie junkie clique I ran with when I lived in LA: They considered movies art (with the Western interpretation that the director was the artist), but would argue that Andy Warhol wasn't an artist because he didn't actually make his art.
"movie junkie clique" sounds like some real ruffians  :doge

Doing an actual 24 hours straight in a movie theater will make you hard as nails.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on February 28, 2017, 09:00:24 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/IhcKEce.jpg)

Little known sub-fact: All this salt was generated by disappointed fans.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on March 20, 2017, 04:30:27 AM
Apparently there's this thing called "Sithposting" :lol

(https://i.imgur.com/knEqdmP.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/JWn1ZU5.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/B1VuehV.jpg)

MOAR (https://imgur.com/gallery/UEcJa)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on March 20, 2017, 05:15:49 AM
There's also "sheev posting":

https://youtu.be/rZkI2p-6cdU
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 27, 2017, 03:14:25 AM
Watched Rogue One again. I had issues with it originally. It ages even worse imo. It was hard to sit through this time around.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on March 27, 2017, 04:48:40 AM
There's also "sheev posting":

https://youtu.be/rZkI2p-6cdU

What's our standard "cringe" emoticon?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 14, 2017, 01:36:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB4I68XVPzQ
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on April 14, 2017, 01:43:22 PM
It be a Star War.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Let's Cyber on April 14, 2017, 01:51:46 PM
Lots of War but not enough Star.

6/10
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: MMaRsu on April 14, 2017, 02:03:11 PM
0/10 stars
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: zomgee on April 14, 2017, 02:29:35 PM
It's a teaser! Very teasy.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on April 14, 2017, 02:38:39 PM
I want Rey to force choke my cock
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Steve Contra on April 14, 2017, 02:49:17 PM
Fun fact about that teaser, it was procedurally generated by analyzing past star war movies. Actual humans didn't have to touch it at all!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 14, 2017, 03:55:12 PM
I didn't mind it :shrug:
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on April 14, 2017, 03:59:13 PM
As someone who is a very visual person, I'm just happy to see the Star Wars A E S T H E T I C. It produces dopamine in mah brain.  :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bluemax on April 14, 2017, 04:20:08 PM
I'm fine with it. Grim dark Star Wars is here to stay it seems.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on April 14, 2017, 04:27:16 PM
Rian Johnson bout to fuck around and make a decent star wars movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on April 14, 2017, 05:08:45 PM
I'm fine with it. Grim dark Star Wars is here to stay it seems.

grimdark only really works with faux shakespearean warhammer 40k dialogue. not the sort of dialogue you'd play at an english induction class like they've gone with.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 14, 2017, 05:09:40 PM
Looked OK but where is the new death star? 
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Dennis on April 15, 2017, 12:13:45 AM
Pretty weak teaser.

Liked the shot from afar with Rey practicing with the Lightsaber and Luke watching.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on April 15, 2017, 01:48:40 AM
I'm fine with it. Grim dark Star Wars is here to stay it seems.

grimdark only really works with faux shakespearean warhammer 40k dialogue. not the sort of dialogue you'd play at an english induction class like they've gone with.

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In the long years before the Battle of Canticle City, I knew no fear because I had nothing to lose. Everything I’d treasured was dust at the mercy of history’s winds. Every truth I’d fought for was now nothing more than idle philosophy – spoken by exiles, whispered to ghosts.

None of this angered me, nor was I victim to any special melancholy. I’d learned over the centuries that only a fool tried to fight fate.

All that remained were the nightmares.

My somnolent mind took a dark joy in casting back to Judgement Day, when wolves howled and ran through the burning city streets. I dreamed the same dream each time I allowed myself to sleep.

Wolves, always the wolves.

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I think this is normal talking and the affectation doesn't register the desired effect. :stahp
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Post by: Great Rumbler on April 15, 2017, 03:42:48 AM
Looks...not very interesting. Luke as Yoda is about the lamest direction possible to go.

On the other hand, Yoda was always yapping on about balance and light side/dark side, but from the teaser it sounds like Luke is tired of all that now.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on April 15, 2017, 04:26:53 AM
I've got faith in Rian Johnson.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on April 15, 2017, 04:43:26 AM
New trailer is dope. Y'all are jaded.

As someone who is a very visual person, I'm just happy to see the Star Wars A E S T H E T I C. It produces dopamine in mah brain.  :doge

Today, I re-watched ROGUE ONE for the first time since the theater. That STAR WARS æsthetic is in full force there. Knowing what was happening made it more enjoyable overall, but also made the clumsy exposition stand out more strongly.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on April 15, 2017, 04:58:54 AM
Whoever decided that some piece of junk cropduster bouncing off the dirt should be the first shot we get with that epic musical swell should not be cutting trailers.

:lol

OK, that's true. It could turn out that those are totally epic tractors though.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on April 15, 2017, 09:06:45 AM
I'm going to cut them some slack because it is the very first teaser.

There will be more trailers with more interesting footage as the year progresses.

Also, you have to take into account that Disney is very tight lipped when it comes to Star Wars and doesn't want to spoil anything too major.

A bunch of movie trailers these days seem to give away the whole plot which I absolutely despise.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on April 15, 2017, 09:59:51 AM
http://www.polygon.com/2017/4/15/15303952/star-wars-last-jedi-luke-end-of-jedi

My thoughts exactly why the Jedi weren't as great as people make them out to be. 👌
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on April 15, 2017, 11:47:57 AM
I think the trailer is dope and im not really a SW guy. It was pretty and the backing score was even better.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on April 16, 2017, 01:16:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTqSkEbY_N8

*voice change*
"I thought it was FUCKING STUPID"
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 16, 2017, 04:13:52 PM
I didn't watch it, but did they put in a record scratch sound effect when that happened? Missed opportunity, if not.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on April 19, 2017, 05:29:54 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/COBxzEC.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on April 29, 2017, 02:45:23 PM
https://redlettermedia.bandcamp.com/track/star-wars-rogue-one-a-star-wars-story-commentary-track
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on April 29, 2017, 03:36:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfJRm0WssOE

that laugh in the middle
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on April 29, 2017, 09:05:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfJRm0WssOE

that laugh in the middle

I laughed at its accuracy, but –dudes– come /on/ this is like hating on Prince for having a guitar solo in his song, or criticising Scorcese for making a movie about urban crime. Star Wars IS what it IS.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 30, 2017, 03:42:08 AM
Only just watched the trailer now, looks good as always, sure it will be a decent movie :)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on May 03, 2017, 02:57:22 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYD3QtyEGGM

(http://i.imgur.com/lNEg8.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on May 09, 2017, 10:55:55 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3oz8xyqQtObiZ46RYQ/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on May 13, 2017, 01:35:40 PM
http://www.newsnow3.com/asheville-north-carolina/next-star-wars-movie-to-be-filmed-near-asheville-nc-hundreds-of-extras-needed/

:doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on May 23, 2017, 10:41:45 AM
https://twitter.com/VanityFair/status/866957427085910016

Nice  A E S T H E T I C.  :aah
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Post by: VomKriege on May 23, 2017, 10:55:01 AM
Annie Leibovitz must have some automatic filters by now.
But heh, who am I to complain : It works.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 23, 2017, 12:46:47 PM
http://www.newsnow3.com/asheville-north-carolina/next-star-wars-movie-to-be-filmed-near-asheville-nc-hundreds-of-extras-needed/

:doge

Rumor is they're going hard on physical effects and filming real venus flytraps as aliens/monsters.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on May 23, 2017, 05:35:58 PM
https://twitter.com/VanityFair/status/866957427085910016

Nice  A E S T H E T I C.  :aah

Carrie is nailing that regal Leia vibe.  :-[  :'(
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on May 23, 2017, 07:06:57 PM
(https://68.media.tumblr.com/b7809d13005d42a6b256b1121c851172/tumblr_oqdpkq6k4I1qbux87o1_500.jpg)

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/0c34370c7cf3466534935eb0ec16fdfc/tumblr_oqdpkq6k4I1qbux87o2_500.jpg)

https://wilwheaton.tumblr.com/post/160990735218/starwarsartnow-rogue-one-postersby-alexey-kot
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 23, 2017, 05:05:00 PM
Lord and Miller got booted off the Han Solo movie, now Ron Howard is directing. :goty
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 23, 2017, 05:14:06 PM
Lord and Miller got booted off the Han Solo movie, now Ron Howard is directing. :goty

"He was, in fact, directing."
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 23, 2017, 05:51:59 PM
Haven't they been filming this thing for a while now? I hope the story of whatever happened comes out, cuz this is fucking baffling
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 23, 2017, 07:57:20 PM
Haven't they been filming this thing for a while now?

Yeah, they started filming back in January [with principal photography starting in February].
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 23, 2017, 09:15:19 PM
Haven't they been filming this thing for a while now? I hope the story of whatever happened comes out, cuz this is fucking baffling

Disney Lucasfilms wasn't happy with the way they were doing things.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Yeti on June 23, 2017, 09:37:10 PM
Yeah, sounds like "creative differences".

I'm still waiting on the dirt to be spilled on Ant-Man.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 23, 2017, 09:50:55 PM
Lord and Miller wanted to make a Lord and Miller movie in the Star Wars universe. Disney [or Lucasfilm, take your pick] wanted a Star Wars movie with a small dash of Lord and Miller. I imagine it was a similar situation with Ant-Man.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 23, 2017, 09:52:35 PM
Haven't they been filming this thing for a while now? I hope the story of whatever happened comes out, cuz this is fucking baffling

Disney Lucasfilms wasn't happy with the way they were doing things.

Well yeah, but I'm wondering what specifically would get you shitcanned from a movie this huge four-five months into filming. How much longer could they be shooting this for? Unless they reshoot a ton of it, won't whoever's directing it basically just be editing someone elses movie? Are they just gonna edit it by committee and slap Ron Howards name on it? So many questions!

Lord and Miller wanted to make a Lord and Miller movie in the Star Wars universe. Disney [or Lucasfilm, take your pick] wanted a Star Wars movie with a small dash of Lord and Miller. I imagine it was a similar situation with Ant-Man.

That sounds about right, but it also seems super distinguished mentally-challenged to hire two guys known for a specific 'thing' and then be surprised when they do that thing, and really confusing as to why it took so long.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 23, 2017, 10:00:50 PM
From what I've read, there's three and half weeks of principle filming left and then five weeks of scheduled reshoots. Movie's gonna be a complete mess.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on June 23, 2017, 10:03:49 PM
Yeah, sounds like "creative differences".

I'm still waiting on the dirt to be spilled on Ant-Man.

From everything I've read, and having watched the movie, I estimate the final Ant-Man to be about 60-70% of Wright's original vision. The only glaring mismatch is the Falcon scene, which was unnecessary to the actual self-contained narrative but still fun overall. I'm not crying tears over Wright leaving. He influenced the final movie immensely even though he wasn't there.

Han Solo though? There's few directors that could make me interested in that. Lord and Miller were, collectively, one of those few. I like Ron Howard, but he's not someone whose movies I'm excited to see.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bluemax on June 23, 2017, 11:45:27 PM
Ron Howard directing a science fiction action movie is odd to me.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 26, 2017, 01:59:30 PM
lol this thing is gonna be a shitshow. Looks like I was right, Lord and Miller got fired for refusing to not be Lord and Miller
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-han-solo-movie-firing-new-details-behind-phil-lord-chris-miller-exit-1016619
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Yeti on July 04, 2017, 06:36:02 PM
I never really wanted a Han Solo prequel, so if it turns out bad I won't be too miffed about it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 04, 2017, 07:20:57 PM
I never really wanted a Han Solo prequel, so if it turns out bad I won't be too miffed about it.

I was initially interested because of Lord and Miller, but now they're out so...
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 05, 2017, 11:28:43 AM
Who would have thought a Star Wars prequel was a terrible idea?

Fixed.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on July 05, 2017, 11:55:20 AM
They're getting the guy who plays Han Solo an acting coach late into production.

Yeah, this is going to be trash.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rDw2YBUz6A
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 05, 2017, 03:06:44 PM
I actually really liked Hail Caesar, AND thought Alden Ehrenreich was really good in it.  Was hopeful for this movie because of it, but yikes
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 05, 2017, 03:50:40 PM
C-Tates stole the show in that flick
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on July 05, 2017, 06:16:09 PM
C-Tates stole the show in that flick

C-Tates steals the show in everything. The persistent blind items about him and Bradley Cooper fucking keep me alive in these dark days.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 05, 2017, 06:20:38 PM
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/HM32AQSkFjeV2/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 05, 2017, 06:29:24 PM
This is the End is a great movie, I don't care what anybody says.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on July 05, 2017, 06:29:55 PM
I rewatch it and Superbad an awful lot.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 05, 2017, 06:34:39 PM
I couldn't stand Superbad. :/ Shame since I do kinda wanna see This is the End.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on July 05, 2017, 06:39:58 PM
I couldn't stand Superbad. :/ Shame since I do kinda wanna see This is the End.

I'd still give it a try. They're not so much alike, and Jonah has a fraction of the screentime he does in Superbad. I'd describe Superbad as a bro-y comedy and This Is the End as a not-taking-itself-seriously farce.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 05, 2017, 06:41:10 PM
Can't wait for TLJ.

Unfortunately I will have to suffer from Rogue One fan ship the rest of my days because everyone else isn't clued in that it's a bad movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on July 05, 2017, 06:43:09 PM
also, I've had a huge homo crush on Jay Baruchel forever.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Yeti on July 05, 2017, 11:51:08 PM
I didn't like Superbad either, but This is The End was kind of fun.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on July 06, 2017, 12:24:04 AM
also, I've had a huge homo crush on Jay Baruchel forever.

I hate that dude's voice and face so fucking much I genuinely get angry when he's in anything I'm watching.

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Does that secretly mean I want to fuck him, too?  :uguu
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Yes. Your clear virtue signalling  of hatred for Jay Baruchel means you are a prime suspect for wanting to fuck him.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Boogie on July 06, 2017, 08:36:29 AM
How can you hate on Superbad?

Movie's hilarious.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 06, 2017, 10:40:55 AM
Can't wait for TLJ.

Unfortunately I will have to suffer from Rogue One fan ship the rest of my days because everyone else isn't clued in that it's a bad movie.

(https://media1.giphy.com/media/26BRNewWczBInMDhm/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on July 06, 2017, 05:21:34 PM
I like The Interview. It's definitely the weakest but I thought it was packed with funny bits. It's not as cohesive and rewatchable though.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on July 06, 2017, 05:34:39 PM
Bullshit. Watch The Institute if you want to see what James Franco trying too hard looks like. It's one of the worst movies I've seen in years. He directed it, too!

Seriously, watch it. It is AMAZINGLY terrible.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 06, 2017, 05:47:22 PM
How can you hate on Superbad?

Movie's hilarious.

It's probably not even bad, but it just got quoted to shit by everyone around me in high school. For a solid couple weeks it was like Ace Ventura/Austin Powers in middle school all over again.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on July 06, 2017, 05:49:26 PM
How can you hate on Superbad?

Movie's hilarious.

It's probably not even bad, but it just got quoted to shit by everyone around me in high school. For a solid couple weeks it was like Ace Ventura/Austin Powers in middle school all over again.

https://youtu.be/F1lJFlB-89Q
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Boogie on July 06, 2017, 07:14:56 PM
How can you hate on Superbad?

Movie's hilarious.

It's probably not even bad, but it just got quoted to shit by everyone around me in high school. For a solid couple weeks it was like Ace Ventura/Austin Powers in middle school all over again.

The timing of it was great for me.  It came out just before I went to the RCMP training academy.   A bunch of the people in my troop were quoting the cop scenes all the time when doing practice scenarios.  :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on July 06, 2017, 07:16:03 PM
Bullshit. Watch The Institute if you want to see what James Franco trying too hard looks like. It's one of the worst movies I've seen in years. He directed it, too!

Seriously, watch it. It is AMAZINGLY terrible.
Just watching the preview for that movie let everyone know how terrible it would be. Seriously I thought it was possibly a troll effort, like when Joachim Phhoenix quit acting to be a rapper.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on July 06, 2017, 07:21:52 PM
Bullshit. Watch The Institute if you want to see what James Franco trying too hard looks like. It's one of the worst movies I've seen in years. He directed it, too!

Seriously, watch it. It is AMAZINGLY terrible.
Just watching the preview for that movie let everyone know how terrible it would be. Seriously I thought it was possibly a troll effort, like when Joachim Phhoenix quit acting to be a rapper.

It's puzzling. I thought that if he was taking the effort to direct, he'd at the very least deliver exactly what he wanted with his own acting, but it's a historically terrible performance. I'm still holding out hope for The Disaster Artist. He's been a universally terrible director thus far, but I have a feeling he might be able to do comedy.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on July 08, 2017, 05:51:54 AM
https://twitter.com/markleggett/status/660561881094950912
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on July 09, 2017, 12:54:08 AM
http://imgur.com/gallery/8V4iF
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on July 10, 2017, 02:06:18 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/KmKRWU8.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 10, 2017, 01:40:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_-jmtPQ84g

:lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on July 10, 2017, 10:09:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_-jmtPQ84g

:lol
:lol
I love sweded movies, but that's more like a half-sweded effort.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 15, 2017, 04:10:23 PM
Promotional video successful in promoting product. News at 11.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye6GCY_vqYk
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 15, 2017, 06:24:12 PM
I need to see TLJ so badly.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Boogie on July 15, 2017, 07:23:56 PM
I'm really feeling that it's a given that The Last Jedi is going to kick TFA's ass so hard.  :lawd

And I say that as someone who really likes TFA for what it is.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on July 15, 2017, 07:50:04 PM
I'm really feeling that it's a given that The Last Jedi is going to kick TFA's ass so hard.  :lawd

And I say that as someone who really likes TFA for what it is.

 Jj  Abrams is quoted as saying, after reading Johnson's script, that he wished he had written it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 15, 2017, 07:59:19 PM
I'm really feeling that it's a given that The Last Jedi is going to kick TFA's ass so hard.  :lawd

And I say that as someone who really likes TFA for what it is.

:lawd

Absolutely
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on July 15, 2017, 09:05:38 PM
I'm going to cum!

*said in Rich Evans' voice*
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on July 16, 2017, 01:11:15 AM
https://twitter.com/pinotski/status/879355686609715201
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: G The Resurrected on July 16, 2017, 01:29:42 AM
STAR WARS THEMED HOTEL WITH A STORY EXPERIENCE!!!!!! Sign me the fuck up take all my monies  :o :o :o
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on July 18, 2017, 07:27:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjEd3DpH_e0

"but im afraid that's too clever"
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 18, 2017, 07:30:24 PM
The Han Solo movie should essentially be an Ocean's Eleven-type heist movie but set in the Star Wars universe. That's not what it's going to be.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 25, 2017, 01:45:25 AM
https://youtu.be/P2p2PD6b2-E

Works pretty well. :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 25, 2017, 01:50:53 AM
The side movies will all be getting a pass from me unless they make an Obi Wan film about what he was up to between the fall of the Jedi and ANH. After R1 being a total turd I just have no interest in other spin offs.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2017, 02:04:43 AM
The side movies will all be getting a pass from me unless they make an Obi Wan film about what he was up to between the fall of the Jedi and ANH.
Laying out in the sun and drinking heavily as a hermit on Taitooine, that's why he ages 50 years in 20 or whatever it is between ROTS and ANH.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 25, 2017, 06:43:06 AM
The side movies will all be getting a pass from me unless they make an Obi Wan film about what he was up to between the fall of the Jedi and ANH. After R1 being a total turd I just have no interest in other spin offs.

I seem to recall Ewan McGregor saying he'd be on board for that, and he's aged enough now to where he could pull it off. I'd be stoked about that, your... particular tastes ignored :P
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 25, 2017, 09:39:44 AM
But guys it would allow Ewan ANOTHER CHANCE without George's tight grip
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 25, 2017, 10:42:03 AM
Star Wars Rebels, the CG show, is canon and shows that Obi-Wan has indeed just been bumming around Tatooine keeping an eye on Luke since Ep 3.

It also showed him face and kill Darth Maul (again), who survived Ep 1 and got robo-legs.

So yeah, maybe some gaps weren't meant to be filled.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2017, 10:46:46 AM
All these Star Wars side story ideas remind me of the Halloween remake and why that shit is so stupid. I didn't need to see an exhaustive look at Michael's childhood, or what turned him into a psycho. It was pretty obvious when he killed his sister, and the exposition scenes filled in enough info for me. Prequels that only serve to fill in blanks and tell a story I know the ending of can DIAF.
 :iface
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 25, 2017, 11:06:33 AM
Yeah, because Ewan was just sooooooo good  ::)

:confused

The post basically highlights that George Lucas took a great actor and gave him shit. There was lots of potential with Ewan as Obi Wan and it was crap. Under better guidance and direction, Ewan has a chance to reach the potential that he had in that role. Hence "another chance" because he obviously sucked in the prequels.

Star Wars Rebels, the CG show, is canon and shows that Obi-Wan has indeed just been bumming around Tatooine keeping an eye on Luke since Ep 3.

It also showed him face and kill Darth Maul (again), who survived Ep 1 and got robo-legs.

So yeah, maybe some gaps weren't meant to be filled.

Never mind then. Sounds awful. An Obi Wan movie is the only spin off movie that would remotely interest me honestly and I doubt they'll do one so I'm kind of fine with it.

All these Star Wars side story ideas remind me of the Halloween remake and why that shit is so stupid. I didn't need to see an exhaustive look at Michael's childhood, or what turned him into a psycho. It was pretty obvious when he killed his sister, and the exposition scenes filled in enough info for me. Prequels that only serve to fill in blanks and tell a story I know the ending of can DIAF.
 :iface

Normally I would agree, but Obi Wan is an interesting character to me.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 25, 2017, 11:50:15 AM
All these Star Wars side story ideas remind me of the Halloween remake and why that shit is so stupid. I didn't need to see an exhaustive look at Michael's childhood, or what turned him into a psycho. It was pretty obvious when he killed his sister, and the exposition scenes filled in enough info for me. Prequels that only serve to fill in blanks and tell a story I know the ending of can DIAF.
 :iface

This is the difference between actual "artists," for lack of a better term, and fanboys. John Carpenter understands storytelling (well, at least he did earlier in his career) and knew that leaving a bunch of things NOT explicitly spelled out could add to the dramatic tension of the narrative. Rob Zombie* is just a fucking fanthing, and fanthings sit around and dream about all the unfilled in blanks in the stories they love. And now they're making movies, and they suck. The Star Wars movies run a real risk of doing this- IMO the prequels shat the bed in spectacular fashion because Lucas himself was a fanthing. Unlike QoI and her... singular tastes I though Rogue One was pretty good, so I'm hopeful that the rest of the Star Wars side stories will have the potential to be good. But the ones that explore untold stories in already established characters lives run the real risk of shitting the bed in this manner.

*I'm assuming it's the Rob Zombie Halloween. I didn't bother to see any of the modern ones, because there's no need to.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thisismyusername on July 25, 2017, 11:55:45 AM
The only good thing to come from Rogue One is the blind monk. I'd like a movie featuring nothing but him going "I am the Force. The Force is with me." for 2 hours.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 25, 2017, 12:00:15 PM
Jesus Horatio Christ, the OPINIONS in here

:jeanluc
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on July 25, 2017, 12:13:58 PM
The only good thing to come from Rogue One is the excuse it gave me to fap to Mads Mikkelsen again, even if he was poorly used.

ftfy
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2017, 12:37:32 PM
All these Star Wars side story ideas remind me of the Halloween remake and why that shit is so stupid. I didn't need to see an exhaustive look at Michael's childhood, or what turned him into a psycho. It was pretty obvious when he killed his sister, and the exposition scenes filled in enough info for me. Prequels that only serve to fill in blanks and tell a story I know the ending of can DIAF.
 :iface

This is the difference between actual "artists," for lack of a better term, and fanboys. John Carpenter understands storytelling (well, at least he did earlier in his career) and knew that leaving a bunch of things NOT explicitly spelled out could add to the dramatic tension of the narrative. Rob Zombie* is just a fucking fanthing, and fanthings sit around and dream about all the unfilled in blanks in the stories they love. And now they're making movies, and they suck. The Star Wars movies run a real risk of doing this- IMO the prequels shat the bed in spectacular fashion because Lucas himself was a fanthing. Unlike QoI and her... singular tastes I though Rogue One was pretty good, so I'm hopeful that the rest of the Star Wars side stories will have the potential to be good. But the ones that explore untold stories in already established characters lives run the real risk of shitting the bed in this manner.

*I'm assuming it's the Rob Zombie Halloween. I didn't bother to see any of the modern ones, because there's no need to.

Exactly. It's glorified fanfic, with a studio stamp of approval and a bag of money.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 25, 2017, 02:21:47 PM
All these Star Wars side story ideas remind me of the Halloween remake and why that shit is so stupid. I didn't need to see an exhaustive look at Michael's childhood, or what turned him into a psycho. It was pretty obvious when he killed his sister, and the exposition scenes filled in enough info for me. Prequels that only serve to fill in blanks and tell a story I know the ending of can DIAF.
 :iface

This is the difference between actual "artists," for lack of a better term, and fanboys. John Carpenter understands storytelling (well, at least he did earlier in his career) and knew that leaving a bunch of things NOT explicitly spelled out could add to the dramatic tension of the narrative. Rob Zombie* is just a fucking fanthing, and fanthings sit around and dream about all the unfilled in blanks in the stories they love. And now they're making movies, and they suck. The Star Wars movies run a real risk of doing this- IMO the prequels shat the bed in spectacular fashion because Lucas himself was a fanthing. Unlike QoI and her... singular tastes I though Rogue One was pretty good, so I'm hopeful that the rest of the Star Wars side stories will have the potential to be good. But the ones that explore untold stories in already established characters lives run the real risk of shitting the bed in this manner.

*I'm assuming it's the Rob Zombie Halloween. I didn't bother to see any of the modern ones, because there's no need to.

My tastes are not singular. I didn't see the point of R1, the characters were wasted, the story was stupid. convincing all of these people to go on a suicide mission didn't feel believable or with actual merit, editing was all over place, ending was lame, movie was full of fanservice. The lack of character moments is the most striking thing. I truly think it's a bad movie and almost on par with the prequels. IMO they suffer from literally the same problems. R1 is a hate it or love it movie and very divisive. There seems to be little middle ground with it.

I'm open to a lot of different interpretations of the Star Wars universe, but thinks R1 sucks. :yeshrug Half the thread agrees with me that R1 fucking blows, the other half loves it. Definition of love it or hate it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on July 25, 2017, 02:28:17 PM
All these Star Wars side story ideas remind me of the Halloween remake and why that shit is so stupid. I didn't need to see an exhaustive look at Michael's childhood, or what turned him into a psycho. It was pretty obvious when he killed his sister, and the exposition scenes filled in enough info for me. Prequels that only serve to fill in blanks and tell a story I know the ending of can DIAF.
 :iface

This is the difference between actual "artists," for lack of a better term, and fanboys. John Carpenter understands storytelling (well, at least he did earlier in his career) and knew that leaving a bunch of things NOT explicitly spelled out could add to the dramatic tension of the narrative. Rob Zombie* is just a fucking fanthing, and fanthings sit around and dream about all the unfilled in blanks in the stories they love.

*I'm assuming it's the Rob Zombie Halloween. I didn't bother to see any of the modern ones, because there's no need to.

Well, Rob Zombie's ones are the only modern ones... Zombie's is totally an ascended fanboy as far as filmmaking goes but at least he seems genuine and is pretty wild (not the Halloween remake though, this one is pretty garbage for all the reasons mentioned). H2O or whatever (the one with Jamie Lee Curtis from late nineties / early aughts) is OK and actually provides decent closure.

As much as I hate nerds, fanthings are not the only culprits here. Spielberg and Lucas didn't need the help of anyone to achieve the exact same sins : the intro of the Last Crusade is like a masterclass in doing everything you shouldn't do.
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Post by: TVC15 on July 25, 2017, 02:30:00 PM
I couldn't remember the names of any of the R1 characters immediately after walking out of the theater. The movie blew aside from the pure fan service Darth Vader final scene. I'm fairly convinced people think the movie was awesome because it ended with that scene.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 25, 2017, 02:37:41 PM
The only good thing to come from Rogue One is the blind monk. I'd like a movie featuring nothing but him going "I am the Force. The Force is with me." for 2 hours.

Donnie Yen fucking sucked in R1. His friend was even worse. Hi, I'm my blind friends pal. We used to protect the jedi temple or whatever. We're drifters. I have no character development. I have a big gun. It's really great character development and interaction to not go over the character who keeps saying "I am the force" without going into detail about his actual relationship with it beyond anything abstract. But it's cool, the movie makes up for it by showing me doing cool action scenes. Totally not like the prequels, everyone.

Hi. I'm a pilot. They gave me a drug that was supposed to destroy my mind. Five minutes later, I seem fine. Internal story consistency and logic works in this movie. /s We are on a suicide mission and as said, I'm an Imperial pilot but guess what I'm not doing? Flying something.

The movie fails at storytelling 101.

Thinking about it, and all the reviews for it claiming to be the best SW movie since Empire is making me chuckle even harder as I write this post. What a total crap movie. By the end of the movie you're like "why should I care about any of this?"

At least with Obi Wan there's potential for exploring the tragic loneliness of being the last of your order, watching over the son of your pupil who has destroyed so many lives. You could kill Luke in case he ever become like his father. Why take him under your wing after you failed the first time? Now there's a story that shows potential for exploring actual characters and not canvasses merely there to push the action forward *cough* R1 *cough* Instead we're getting a crappy sounding movie about Han Solo which will most likely suck.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 25, 2017, 02:57:22 PM
I couldn't remember the names of any of the R1 characters immediately after walking out of the theater. The movie blew aside from the pure fan service Darth Vader final scene. I'm fairly convinced people think the movie was awesome because it ended with that scene.

Haha, I know right? Let me give it a shot.

Blind guy
Gun guy
Pilot guy
Cassius
Robot
Girl we're supposed to care about that the movie fails to give proper pathos to whose name starts with a J...I think

Creepy's post about fan service movies strikes me as odd given it's pretty clear Rogue One is a fan service movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 25, 2017, 04:07:44 PM
What are any of the characters names in Dunkirk? :trumps
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 25, 2017, 04:34:30 PM
What are any of the characters names in Dunkirk? :trumps

There's gotta be a Nigel in there somewhere
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Post by: Raist on July 25, 2017, 04:35:45 PM
Adolf?
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Post by: VomKriege on July 25, 2017, 04:44:05 PM
Guv'nor ?
Lad ?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 25, 2017, 05:57:03 PM
Halloween H20 is the only good Halloween movie after the second, the rest are trash.

Though Zombie's H2 is fun in just how batshit it gets.

(https://loreleibystarlight.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/halloween-ii-white-horse.jpg?w=800)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on July 25, 2017, 11:39:27 PM
The Han Solo movie should essentially be an Ocean's Eleven-type heist movie but set in the Star Wars universe. That's not what it's going to be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_Scoundrels
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Post by: benjipwns on July 26, 2017, 01:50:53 AM
A Han Solo Star Wars movie should be as close to a GOTG rip off as they could possibly get away with.
fixed?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on July 28, 2017, 02:06:36 AM
The Han Solo movie should essentially be an Ocean's Eleven-type heist movie but set in the Star Wars universe. That's not what it's going to be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_Scoundrels

A Han Solo movie should be as close to a GOTG rip off as they could possibly get away with.

Sure, but if you ever want Oceans Eleven, but with Han Solo and Lando Calrissian, read that book.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 17, 2017, 05:22:31 PM
Confirmed, with the director of Billy Elliot, The Reader, etc directing. No word on McGregor.

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/08/17/its-official-were-getting-an-obi-wan-kenobi-spin-off
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Post by: Great Rumbler on August 17, 2017, 05:30:43 PM
Meh.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on August 17, 2017, 05:38:38 PM
I want to see an Obi Wan movie even less than I want to see a Han Solo movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 17, 2017, 05:47:50 PM
I'll go see it only if it's McGregor being a space hobo between Revenge of the Sith and New Hope.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Lol jk I'ma see it regardless
[close]
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Post by: toku on August 17, 2017, 06:20:51 PM
i'll see it if it's just two hours of obi wan whoring around brothels and drinking himself to death before taking up gradening or w/e for 30 years
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 18, 2017, 10:16:26 AM
While I'm sure I will eventually watch them through streaming services, Disney has already lost me on all these "spin-off" stories in the Star Wars universe after Rogue One. They don't have the balls to actually make new shit which is the only reason I would anticipate any of this stuff.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on August 18, 2017, 08:55:23 PM
i'll see it if it's just two hours of obi wan whoring around brothels and drinking himself to death before taking up gradening or w/e for 30 years

http://www.theonion.com/features/infographic
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on August 18, 2017, 09:33:27 PM
While I'm sure I will eventually watch them through streaming services, Disney has already lost me on all these "spin-off" stories in the Star Wars universe after Rogue One. They don't have the balls to actually make new shit which is the only reason I would anticipate any of this stuff.

One of us
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 21, 2017, 08:35:07 AM
While I'm sure I will eventually watch them through streaming services, Disney has already lost me on all these "spin-off" stories in the Star Wars universe after Rogue One. They don't have the balls to actually make new shit which is the only reason I would anticipate any of this stuff.

What is frustrating is they have a wealth of material (books, video games from the expanded universe) they can draw from. They don't even need to make a totally new story/character.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 21, 2017, 05:38:44 PM
While I'm sure I will eventually watch them through streaming services, Disney has already lost me on all these "spin-off" stories in the Star Wars universe after Rogue One. They don't have the balls to actually make new shit which is the only reason I would anticipate any of this stuff.

What is frustrating is they have a wealth of material (books, video games from the expanded universe) they can draw from. They don't even need to make a totally new story/character.

They are incorporating the EU piecemeal. More of a comic-like reboot where they take what they like and discard the rest.

SW:Rebels has become pretty EU centric
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on August 23, 2017, 07:38:54 AM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/66/3f/b6/663fb6c6fa7d06d2fff6c94445c587e3.jpg)
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Post by: chronovore on August 24, 2017, 04:30:08 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUX_Vv6Rpvs
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 05, 2017, 07:20:36 PM
Colin Trevorrow just got kicked to the curb:

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/colin-trevorrow-exits-star-wars-episode-ix-1202548088/
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Post by: Tasty on September 05, 2017, 07:23:38 PM
Finally.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on September 05, 2017, 07:24:02 PM
Colin Trevorrow just got kicked to the curb:

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/colin-trevorrow-exits-star-wars-episode-ix-1202548088/

(https://i.imgur.com/NH0zEjj.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 05, 2017, 07:32:00 PM
Just get Rian Johnson to write/direct Episode IX, too.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 05, 2017, 07:39:06 PM
Seems better to do it earlier than what they did with the Han solo thing.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 05, 2017, 07:56:35 PM
Seems better to do it earlier than what they did with the Han solo thing.

Yeah, IX is still at the script-writing stage, while the Han Solo movie was almost completely filmed. I don't see how the latter ends up being anything other than a total mess.
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Post by: TVC15 on September 05, 2017, 08:05:55 PM
Just get Rian Johnson to write/direct Episode IX, too.

If Rian doesn't want to do 2 in a row, get Spielberg on it. If he's free, I bet he's on the short list.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 05, 2017, 08:06:29 PM
Bring back Lucas.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: nudemacusers on September 05, 2017, 08:23:16 PM
Colin Trevorrow just got kicked to the curb:

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/colin-trevorrow-exits-star-wars-episode-ix-1202548088/
Good Jurassic world was straight dumpster trash.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on September 05, 2017, 09:21:58 PM
Bring back Lucas.

 :lucas

Let's hope this emoji in this thread is the closest Georgie Porgie ever gets to Star Wars again.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 05, 2017, 10:13:44 PM
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/3o7abB06u9bNzA8lu8/giphy.gif)
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Post by: Boogie on September 05, 2017, 10:29:46 PM
Colin Trevorrow just got kicked to the curb:

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/colin-trevorrow-exits-star-wars-episode-ix-1202548088/

I haven't even seen Jurassic World myself, but thank God.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on September 05, 2017, 11:22:31 PM
i did wonder how he was going to fit it in since they were only giving it 18 months unlike VII and VIII, but his schedule is now totally cleared, i guess he had already dropped off Jurassic World's sequel and they delayed IX's filming to January 2018 anyway after Carrie Fisher died, it was supposed to have started already

they had just hired a new writer to redo the script a few weeks ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thorne

the original writers of the IX script were Trevorrow along with the guy who co-wrote Jurassic World, Monster Trucks, Kong: Skull Island and Jurassic World 2

speaking of weird behind the scenes stuff, i just noticed that J.J. Abrams has been like completely disassociated from Star Wars now, which is weird considering he's still a regular producer on the Star Trek films, when Star Wars was what he originally always wanted to do and i thought for sure he'd be all involved in this and the spin-offs and etc. and he certainly was selling the new trilogy hard and claimed to have convinced George and all that, but i guess Disney Lucasfilm has other ideas
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on September 06, 2017, 01:49:51 AM
Disney is pretty fickle. It would not surprise me if they're making bottom-line decisions despite being at the top of their game. The Marvel Studios stuff is apparently run tight-as-hell.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on September 12, 2017, 10:32:35 AM
http://www.starwars.com/news/j-j-abrams-to-write-and-direct-star-wars-episode-ix?cmp=smc%7C1069686719

cool.

But then I liked the force awakens quite a bit.

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Post by: Tasty on September 12, 2017, 10:52:24 AM
Yeah, I can see this mirroring the original trilogy in terms of quality (of each movie) pretty cleanly.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 12, 2017, 06:19:53 PM
Kinda surprised that Abrams is back after people were saying that he'd been blocked out by Disney after leaving Episdoe 7, but whatever. I'm fine with this, Episode 7 wasn't spectacular but it was a good and fun return to form for the franchise.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on September 12, 2017, 06:32:31 PM
Yeah, I can see this mirroring the original trilogy in terms of quality (of each movie) pretty cleanly.

:oh_snap.gif


I'm also on-board for more j.j. abrams. I loved The Force Awakens. I am on board with Movies with Mikey's evaluation of the tremendous successes achieved by abrams, particularly in the context of having to recover out of a bad roll with Georgie Porgie's Prequels.
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Post by: benjipwns on September 12, 2017, 07:19:50 PM
nobody read that post i made a week ago

er i mean i was tipped off by disney lucasfilm and was sending out false flags :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: nudemacusers on September 12, 2017, 07:47:10 PM
Wonder if we'll get a remix of ep1 this time  :doge
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Post by: benjipwns on September 12, 2017, 07:51:18 PM
"okay, so there's a half-finished NEW starkiller base and it's on a FOREST planet"
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on September 12, 2017, 08:28:30 PM
:noooo

I really didn't like Starkiller Base as a concept, and was upset to see An Even Bigger Death Star as the main focus of Ep. VII, but I recognize that it was trying to be a return to form for Star Wars.


Though even Rogue One was about the Death Star, it wasn't about BLOWING UP the Death Star. It was about exactly how terrifying and destructive a weapon they were facing in the original movie.
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Post by: agrajag on September 12, 2017, 11:51:52 PM
who shot first Gridor or Hunn
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on September 13, 2017, 03:56:53 AM
who shot first Gridor or Hunn

I LOLsnorted. Good jon.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 13, 2017, 05:30:55 AM
Amazing news to have JJ back.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on September 13, 2017, 11:09:37 PM
I don't know how I feel about JJ being back. I enjoyed TFA when I saw it in the movie theater. But then I had zero desire to ever watch it again. Hoping the next two mainline movies are a little less derivative of the OT.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on September 13, 2017, 11:10:22 PM
I don't know how I feel about JJ being back. I enjoyed TFA when I saw it in the movie theater. But then I had zero desire to ever watch it again. Hoping the next two mainline movies are a little less derivative of the OT.

Learn to watch and analyze a Star Wars film, kiddo.

 :bobby
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on September 14, 2017, 11:47:54 PM
JJ read Rian's script for VIII and said "I wish I'd written it." So I'm super excited for Rian's entry. Provided it goes over well, it's not unthinkable that IX could be a Rian/JJ collaboration.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on September 15, 2017, 03:00:01 AM
I hope disney made the right decision
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 15, 2017, 04:15:15 AM
Ive watched TFA like 3/4 times already, I don't need to analyze it because the movie is just fun with performances I enjoy watching again.
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Post by: benjipwns on September 15, 2017, 06:44:43 AM
I hope disney made the right decision
DISNEY? Why would Disney have anything to do with Star Wars?!? It's cute that you're trying to talk like an industry insider and all but leave the Star Wars discussion to the grown ups before you embarrass yourself further kiddo.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: WaveRacer 64 on September 15, 2017, 07:50:41 PM
Episode 1 had some amazing film grain.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on September 16, 2017, 04:00:00 AM
I hope disney made the right decision
DISNEY? Why would Disney have anything to do with Star Wars?!? It's cute that you're trying to talk like an industry insider and all but leave the Star Wars discussion to the grown ups before you embarrass yourself further kiddo.

Is this a reference to something?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on September 16, 2017, 04:04:48 AM
I hope disney made the right decision
DISNEY? Why would Disney have anything to do with Star Wars?!? It's cute that you're trying to talk like an industry insider and all but leave the Star Wars discussion to the grown ups before you embarrass yourself further kiddo.

Is this a reference to something?
:bobby
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Post by: chronovore on September 16, 2017, 04:06:44 AM
I'm no closer to understanding, but thanks for the emoji.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Rufus on September 16, 2017, 05:40:01 AM
That is obnoxious alpha nerd (?) Bobby Roberts over on GAF, who's become a running joke in 'the thread'. 
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on September 16, 2017, 05:41:30 AM
That is obnoxious alpha nerd (?) Bobby Roberts over on GAF, who's become a running joke in 'the thread'.

Ah, NeoGAF bullshit spillover. Now it all makes sense, including why I'm clueless. Thanks!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on September 17, 2017, 12:34:42 PM
Bobby Roberts is a well respected and highly placed Lore Expert who knows that Disney has absolutely no say over Star Wars, that it is entirely within the domain of Lucasfilm, who due to their unique and specific knowledge of Star Wars Cinema (the only legitimate form of Star Wars) are able to operate freely in the best interests of the franchise with no outside interference, anyone attempting to impose on it will just shame themselves by exposing their lack of special connection to the worldview of Star Wars. Similarly self-declared insiders like to talk about the business by invoking Disney but they don't know the special circumstances that Star Wars operates within, it is not something a soulless corporation can understand on the necessary spiritual level.

You may disparage it as "spillover" but others may see it as the key dawning of a third leg of the stool that will ultimately result in a Yum! Brands, Bob Avakian and Bobby Roberts enthusiast forum.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on September 17, 2017, 12:44:50 PM
When it comes to Bilbo Roberts, it's more like "spill under" amirite?

 :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on September 17, 2017, 12:46:53 PM
Spillover is a great term for Bobby Roberts, tbh.
When it comes to Bilbo Roberts, it's more like "spill under" amirite?

 :doge
I really don't think either of you are taking this seriously. It's not a good look.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on September 17, 2017, 07:16:46 PM
:lol

OK, I'm starting to get it. I don't need it or want it, but at least I get it.

Just curious: does everyone here think Rian Johnson has a perfect record, like I do, or are there some heathens who think The Brothers Bloom isn't good. Or, worse, are there those among you who think Brick is pretentious?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on September 17, 2017, 07:24:22 PM
brick would have been good if not for tommy from 3rd rock, that guy can be a lil tew much at times.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on September 17, 2017, 09:22:02 PM
it's not great. it's bugsy malone for wankers.

his films are beermat concepts with film school execution, been stung by that cunt three times in the cinema. they usually look quite nice though.

you can even tell that his breaking bad episodes are directed by a look at me dickhead.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on September 17, 2017, 09:35:58 PM
it's not great. it's bugsy malone for wankers.

his films are beermat concepts with film school execution, been stung by that cunt three times in the cinema. they usually look quite nice though.

you can even tell that his breaking bad episodes are directed by a look at me dickhead.

Yikes! I guess you're not looking forward to VIII then…

I haven't seen Breaking Bad, but now I want to.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on October 07, 2017, 05:23:03 PM
how bout that disney huh?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on October 07, 2017, 05:40:43 PM
:lol

OK, I'm starting to get it. I don't need it or want it, but at least I get it.

Just curious: does everyone here think Rian Johnson has a perfect record, like I do, or are there some heathens who think The Brothers Bloom isn't good. Or, worse, are there those among you who think Brick is pretentious?

I think he has a perfect record as well. I was a massive massive fan of Brick from the moment i saw it. His BB ep is also good.
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Post by: zomgee on October 09, 2017, 09:13:55 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/LLtu53P.jpg)

My first opening night show. Took me 40 years but I'm gonna go to an opener.
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Post by: zomgee on October 09, 2017, 10:06:41 PM
That was an ok trailer, and then the end got me pretty good. Very nice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0CbN8sfihY
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Post by: toku on October 09, 2017, 10:14:04 PM
Rian Johnson about to be 4/4
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 09, 2017, 10:18:44 PM
fucking hype :lawd
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Post by: agrajag on October 09, 2017, 10:21:04 PM
Trailer looks great. Were AT-AT's always meant to look like gorillas? The knuckle walk is kind of  :lol
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Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2017, 10:47:17 PM
Looks ok
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Post by: Dennis on October 09, 2017, 10:51:48 PM
Alright I guess.
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Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2017, 10:58:20 PM
I'm 85% certain the trailers are somewhat unexciting because they're saving so much for the actual movie. In Rian I trust.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2017, 11:00:10 PM
I'm 85% certain the trailers are somewhat unexciting because they're saving so much for the actual movie. In Rian I trust.
Plus getting a Star Wars film every year from now until the heat death of the universe = macuser zzz
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Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2017, 11:03:39 PM
I'm hype AF just for the continuation of Luke's story.

I also do enjoy the major new chars from TFA - Rey, Finn, Kylo and Poe are all fun characters and I'm interested in seeing where they end up. But yeah, the official canonical (:expert) continuation of Luke... obviously a must-see.
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Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2017, 11:08:30 PM
I'm 85% certain the trailers are somewhat unexciting because they're saving so much for the actual movie. In Rian I trust.
Plus getting a Star Wars film every year from now until the heat death of the universe = macuser zzz

Yeah I feel ya. Can't say I'm excited for The Last Jedi's hype because of the idea that Star Wars aims to continue till the end of time. I'm genuinely in for this trilogy and seeing it through(I really liked TFA, sue me) but I have a feeling that after I see Episode 9 I'm out of the franchise for good.

Feel the exact same way.

Ep9 + a Ewan Obi-Wan Spinoff and I'm done with SW for good.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2017, 11:11:40 PM
I'll probably keep watching Star Wars movies from now on, because I like cool outer space stuff and Star Wars has [in general] always delivered that. :yeshrug
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Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2017, 11:12:11 PM
Lol fuck that Ewan Obi-Wan spinoff shit. Ewan got three movies and just because people overrate the hell out of his performance they want another one "that might be good!"

Move on!*

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*Exodust, known for promising he'll move on from billion dollar franchise in 2019
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Ewan is a great actor. If Trainspotting isn't one of your faves then :ufup
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Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2017, 11:16:29 PM
He was the only bright spot in a shitstorm, yes.

Would I like to see him reprise his role? Also yes.

If you're on some revenge hatefuck spree against the prequels or whatever, that's on you. But I'd turn out for one of my favorite (yes, favorite) Scottish actors of all time in a role he was absolutely perfectly suited for (and subsequently, wasted on.)

Get fucked. :umad
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Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2017, 11:18:21 PM
McGreggor > Guinness
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Post by: seagrams hotsauce on October 09, 2017, 11:22:09 PM
His performance was fine, but the character of Obi-Wan in the second two prequels is such a cranky buzzkill. I had my fill of that shit back then.
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Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2017, 11:26:07 PM
His performance was fine, but the character of Obi-Wan in the second two prequels is such a cranky buzzkill. I had my fill of that shit back then.

If I were tasked to babysit Anakin I probably would be, too.

Rebels shows the potential a plotline that a younger-than-OT Obi-Wan has. Despite it being nuttier than squirrel shit, lol.
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Post by: agrajag on October 09, 2017, 11:32:12 PM
lol at "I'm done with this franchise after x movie"

 :umad

you'll be back
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Post by: seagrams hotsauce on October 09, 2017, 11:34:10 PM
In general I don't really have much interest in anything they're going to be spinning off for a while. But once they run through the prequels for Han, Leia, Luke, etc and after they eventually do the Chewie and Jabba and whatever flicks, I'll be interested in seeing what scrape off the bottom of the barrel. A Salacious Crumb movie would get me
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Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2017, 11:35:58 PM
lol at "I'm done with this franchise after x movie"

 :umad

you'll be back

Well duh, but emotionally checking out is basically the same thing. The fact that I see a dumb event movie with my friends doesn't reflect my actual desire to see such commercialized tripe.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2017, 11:36:43 PM
lol at "I'm done with this franchise after x movie"

 :umad

you'll be back

Considering my hatred for the EU and all these spinoffs being wookiepedia adaption tier, I think I'm good.

To be fair, you did swear off Nintendo forever after Skyward Sword, only to come crawling back with Breath of the Wild.

If a movie's good, I'll see it. Who wouldn't?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2017, 11:40:03 PM
I said I'm done with Nintendo if the Wii U was the best they had to offer, and Breath of The Wild was their best effort in like 6 years(and IMO, since the N64 days).

But OK.

Lol this definitely not what you said and I called your out on it at the time.
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Post by: agrajag on October 09, 2017, 11:43:16 PM
look at what I started

 :aweshum
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2017, 11:46:32 PM
Whatevs, man. Don't see what that has to do with Star Wars, a franchise where I basically avoided everything but the OT for years till TFA. I won't be getting a console Zelda game with full on media hype machine every year.

:umad
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Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2017, 11:47:04 PM
look at what I started

 :aweshum

Started? This convo began on the last page. Talk about inflated ego! :bobby
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Post by: Tasty on October 10, 2017, 12:02:20 AM
:heartbeat

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I might be drinking again :shh
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Post by: Dennis on October 10, 2017, 12:05:13 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/GLakGTb.png)
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Post by: team filler on October 10, 2017, 12:10:12 AM
Can't wait for Admiral Akbar spinoff movie.
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Post by: Himu on October 10, 2017, 12:19:01 AM
Great trailer!
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Post by: zomgee on October 10, 2017, 12:48:51 AM
look at what I started

 :aweshum

Started? This convo began on the last page. Talk about inflated ego! :bobby

(https://i.imgur.com/BZmFfT1.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on October 10, 2017, 12:52:52 AM
:dead
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Post by: agrajag on October 10, 2017, 01:04:10 AM
Why did you repost the Bobby emoji again?
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 10, 2017, 02:56:07 AM
This trailer was lit, got goosebumps.
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Post by: chronovore on October 10, 2017, 03:31:38 AM
This trailer was lit, got goosebumps.

:respect

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That last sequence where it looks like Kylo is successfully tempting Rey to complete her training… holy shit.
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Post by: Momo on October 10, 2017, 04:23:20 AM
Meh. Only going to go watch this for brownie points so I can drag my friends to shit they dont want to watch.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: desert punk on October 10, 2017, 04:57:02 AM
He's good, and has been good in other movies. His track record isn't as spotless as people act like it is outside of the prequels(remember that prison shit with Jim Carrey?) and his performance as Obi-Wan only gets praised because it's bland instead of outright terrible like the rest of the characters in the trilogy.

Liam Neeson is a good actor. Guess it's time for a Qui-Gon spinoff.

Yeah, I don't know why people are hyping McGregor so much when it comes to the prequels. His performance was serviceable but nothing more. He never really stood out for me that much from the other cast, except maybe in Episode 3 where he and Ian McDiarmid seemed to have the most fun out of the bunch. :yeshrug
I think everybody else just wanted to get it over with at that point.
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Post by: headwalk on October 10, 2017, 05:02:42 AM
glad to see they found a use for that lost dragonball z script that got left on the floor for being a bit too trite.

can see why hamill got his knickers in a twist about luke being turned into a gawping flappy old tart with random utterances of POWAH sprinkled in.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: desert punk on October 10, 2017, 06:30:36 AM
Started watching season 3 of Rebels btw and man, not really a fan of what they did with Kanan and Ezra after that timeskip :-\

I'm all for character growth and all but they kinda sucked the fun out of those two. And they look fucking weird now. But I'm only two episodes in so maybe I should wait with the criticism. Seeing Thrawn on the screen is nice tho but I think he's kinda wasted for a show like Rebels...
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 10, 2017, 11:56:11 AM
This trailer was lit, got goosebumps.

:respect

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That last sequence where it looks like Kylo is successfully tempting Rey to complete her training… holy shit.
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what if kylo turns good again
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Post by: Tasty on October 10, 2017, 12:09:09 PM
My belief is they edited the trailer to make it seem that way, but there's a good chance those shots of Kylo and Rey aren't even in the same scene.

The magic of editing~
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 10, 2017, 12:09:58 PM
This trailer was lit, got goosebumps.

:respect

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That last sequence where it looks like Kylo is successfully tempting Rey to complete her training… holy shit.
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what if kylo turns good again
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There are good people on both sides.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 10, 2017, 12:14:26 PM
Also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5Dj5G1kaqI
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Post by: benjipwns on October 10, 2017, 01:05:59 PM
My belief is they edited the trailer to make it seem that way, but there's a good chance those shots of Kylo and Rey aren't even in the same scene.

The magic of editing~
I'm glad though they spent an extensive amount of valuable trailer time on the cutting between Kylo/Leia shots that also probably are not from the same scene. (Or if they are, need to be immediately recut.)

Plus remember how Rogue One's trailers were full of shots that never appeared in the movie. Including basically the entire first trailer that got people excited. :hitler

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i hope finn gets his ass kicked by phasma
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Post by: benjipwns on October 10, 2017, 01:06:53 PM
Quote
The Dank Pupper
38 minutes ago
I’m holding back tears. This video is so powerful.

Quote
Hoxtilicious
32 minutes ago (edited)
I low-key hope that Disney have been holding onto this trailer till WB uploaded their new Justice League trailer, just to outshine their competition.

I literally came here just to post that, I'm not even gonna watch this trailer, I wanna go into the cinema not expecting anything and completely surprised.
:confused
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Post by: Tasty on October 10, 2017, 01:10:10 PM
:bobby
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 10, 2017, 03:52:52 PM
It looks like it will be a fun adventure movie which is all I want from Star Wars.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on October 10, 2017, 06:23:04 PM
This trailer was lit, got goosebumps.

:respect

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That last sequence where it looks like Kylo is successfully tempting Rey to complete her training… holy shit.
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what if kylo turns good again
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I'm convinced that's what in the works, long term.
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Post by: etiolate on October 10, 2017, 08:04:27 PM
Obi Wan is the Tim Duncan of Jedis. He can stick around for as long as he wants.
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Post by: benjipwns on October 10, 2017, 10:21:13 PM
Tim Duncan won 67 games in his final season with a plus-minus of over +4, that final "fight" against Vader alone had a plus-minus of at least -16. There was no way the New Hope Falcon crew was running with the top defense in the league with him in the middle.
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Post by: Tasty on October 11, 2017, 12:55:36 PM
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/b793bc737a9370eb869633c5aa1d2ab7/tumblr_oxnx81PugK1rxtlb8o4_540.gif)

(https://78.media.tumblr.com/955e422358b60f9ad686881aab69f166/tumblr_oxnx81PugK1rxtlb8o3_540.gif)

(https://78.media.tumblr.com/a2e800fa6c34f965c61e348753d31db9/tumblr_oxnx81PugK1rxtlb8o1_540.gif)

(https://78.media.tumblr.com/16bf1db82217209e3d0130cf5722f5b2/tumblr_oxnx81PugK1rxtlb8o2_540.gif)
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Post by: agrajag on October 11, 2017, 01:05:05 PM
damn, she's cute
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Post by: Atramental on October 11, 2017, 04:06:42 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ZcN3uiK.jpg?1)
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 11, 2017, 04:14:40 PM
Star Wars Seal of Approval
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on October 14, 2017, 01:05:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3K44GQwxbA
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on October 15, 2017, 10:08:20 AM
https://twitter.com/TheKevinRubio/status/919560711851802624

Bonus Chrono-lore: I went to school at CSULB with Rubio. Super sweet dude. He can even get along with voice actors!
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Post by: toku on October 15, 2017, 12:09:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3K44GQwxbA

Its amazing how accurate this is, even the fucking room now. I'm glad they're gonna keep doing these
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Post by: benjipwns on October 15, 2017, 04:45:44 PM
"i like lightsabers" - rich evans, 2017

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holding on rich eating even though he had already signed off and asked for likes/subscribes was ideal

in the wide shots of this one you could really see mike is often trying to hold eye contact with rich when he's doing a rambling nowhere going nothingness improv

can't believe they left jay laughing in when mike is talking about people wearing shirts, but then again he was on screen junkies

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CENSORING EMPIRE STRIKES BACK  :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Post by: Tasty on October 15, 2017, 05:06:32 PM
I was sad they took a shot at Review Brah, though  :goty2

Who?
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Post by: Tasty on October 15, 2017, 05:07:07 PM
That screenjunkies diss too. :lol

I really wonder if they'd ever go back on again.
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Post by: Oblivion on October 15, 2017, 05:16:06 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3K44GQwxbA

god i hate reaction videos
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 15, 2017, 08:19:23 PM
:bow review brah :bow2
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on October 24, 2017, 06:00:25 PM
https://twitter.com/usatodaylife/status/922857105899606016

Rian will deliver us.
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Post by: chronovore on November 03, 2017, 10:09:48 PM
https://imgur.com/gallery/HV9tc

Inconsistent execution, but still amusing.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 03, 2017, 10:38:20 PM
"Don't give candy to a baby! They can't brush their teeth!"

:rofl
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 28, 2017, 02:35:20 PM
It's been 5 years since Disney bought Star Wars, and there still isn't an unmolested version of the Original Trilogy on Blu-Ray. I hope Walt is burning in hell.
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 28, 2017, 02:53:46 PM
To be fair, without Disney buying Lucasfilm we'd have re-releases of the original trilogy with Jar Jar imposed in it by now. So...:trumps
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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 28, 2017, 08:55:36 PM
I could easily ignore that. I'm not one of the people that thinks George Lucas ruined my childhood by releasing the Special Editions or Jar-Jar Binks and the garbage prequels. That's all fine; he created it, he owned it, whatever. The unforgivable sin of George Lucas was treating the Original Original Trilogy like it was the freaking Star Wars Holiday Special and trying to shove it down the memory hole in favor of his Special Edition. It infuriates me, just me from a film preservation standpoint, and they add very little of importance to the movie while looking so jarring in comparison to the 1977 footage. It actually, legitimately makes me angry.  I'm totally fine with directors wanting to go back and tinker with their masterpieces years later, it's interesting to get a look at how they would have done things differently if they had it to do over, or if they didn't have the studio breathing down their necks. Sometimes it's a lot better (Blade Runner), sometimes it's meh (Alien), sometimes it's terrible (Apocalypse Now, ET, and ahem...Star Wars). But to alter a movie so drastically 20 years later, and then just decide this is the only version of the movie...

I am :umad :umad :umad :umad x1000

I will watch Starcrash, Star Raiders, Starchaser, Star Odyssey, Battle Beyond the Stars, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, The Last Starfighter, AND Star Wars Holiday Special before I'd watch the Special Editions again. Suck my dick, George Lucas.

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And yes, I know that the fan-made Despecialized Editions exist, but that doesn't let Lucas off the hook for this bullshit. :bolo
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Post by: chronovore on November 29, 2017, 01:26:37 AM
Yeah, the Special Editions set a bad precedent for handling re-releases of older media. But I'm pretty happy that the Star Trek remasters have better special effects than they used to.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 29, 2017, 03:13:26 AM
We really need Disney to take the license away from EA.

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Post by: TVC15 on November 29, 2017, 03:18:02 AM
It's been 5 years since Disney bought Star Wars, and there still isn't an unmolested version of the Original Trilogy on Blu-Ray. I hope Walt is burning in hell.

I’m sure Disney would be all over it if they could. Fox having the permanent rights for the first film probably hoses that (without a buyout or negotiation). As for the other two movies, like you said, it’s been 5 years and Disney is in the business of making money. There was probably a stipulation in their buyout about not releasing the original versions.
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Post by: team filler on November 29, 2017, 03:43:14 AM
dat stipulation


Can't fox release a new hope original version?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on November 29, 2017, 03:55:00 AM
dat stipulation


Can't fox release a new hope original version?

I’m no He Whom Shan’t be Named, but I believe any release of the first flick would probably require cooperation from Fox and Disney. I -believe- Disney owns the movie, but Fox owns any distribution avenues, or something like that.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on November 29, 2017, 05:11:03 AM
We really need Disney to take the license away from EA.

You must mean Lucasfilm, the sole proprietors of the Star Wars license, kiddo.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on November 29, 2017, 07:46:03 AM
Fox holds the physical distribution rights of A New Hope in perpetuity. They own the physical rights for the other five movies until mid-2020.

Lucasfilm only holds the digital distribution rights to everything.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 29, 2017, 09:53:17 AM
Lots of unreleasable stuff has been released: ST:TNG, Batman '66, probably something else. Maybe they should just stop being little bitches and just get it done.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on November 29, 2017, 09:58:15 AM
I could easily ignore that. I'm not one of the people that thinks George Lucas ruined my childhood by releasing the Special Editions or Jar-Jar Binks and the garbage prequels. That's all fine; he created it, he owned it, whatever. The unforgivable sin of George Lucas was treating the Original Original Trilogy like it was the freaking Star Wars Holiday Special and trying to shove it down the memory hole in favor of his Special Edition. It infuriates me, just me from a film preservation standpoint, and they add very little of importance to the movie while looking so jarring in comparison to the 1977 footage. It actually, legitimately makes me angry.  I'm totally fine with directors wanting to go back and tinker with their masterpieces years later, it's interesting to get a look at how they would have done things differently if they had it to do over, or if they didn't have the studio breathing down their necks. Sometimes it's a lot better (Blade Runner), sometimes it's meh (Alien), sometimes it's terrible (Apocalypse Now, ET, and ahem...Star Wars). But to alter a movie so drastically 20 years later, and then just decide this is the only version of the movie...

I am :umad :umad :umad :umad x1000

I will watch Starcrash, Star Raiders, Starchaser, Star Odyssey, Battle Beyond the Stars, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, The Last Starfighter, AND Star Wars Holiday Special before I'd watch the Special Editions again. Suck my dick, George Lucas.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
And yes, I know that the fan-made Despecialized Editions exist, but that doesn't let Lucas off the hook for this bullshit. :bolo
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Ask me about The Warriors. It's one of my favorite films and the directors cut is the only one the director wants re-released now and it's absolute fan-fiction esque trash. It's a Lucas-tier move.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on November 29, 2017, 10:03:43 AM
Lucas has low-key been doing that way before the special edition. Every time they were rereleased in the theaters there was new shit added to them.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 29, 2017, 10:14:02 AM
I could easily ignore that. I'm not one of the people that thinks George Lucas ruined my childhood by releasing the Special Editions or Jar-Jar Binks and the garbage prequels. That's all fine; he created it, he owned it, whatever. The unforgivable sin of George Lucas was treating the Original Original Trilogy like it was the freaking Star Wars Holiday Special and trying to shove it down the memory hole in favor of his Special Edition. It infuriates me, just me from a film preservation standpoint, and they add very little of importance to the movie while looking so jarring in comparison to the 1977 footage. It actually, legitimately makes me angry.  I'm totally fine with directors wanting to go back and tinker with their masterpieces years later, it's interesting to get a look at how they would have done things differently if they had it to do over, or if they didn't have the studio breathing down their necks. Sometimes it's a lot better (Blade Runner), sometimes it's meh (Alien), sometimes it's terrible (Apocalypse Now, ET, and ahem...Star Wars). But to alter a movie so drastically 20 years later, and then just decide this is the only version of the movie...

I am :umad :umad :umad :umad x1000

I will watch Starcrash, Star Raiders, Starchaser, Star Odyssey, Battle Beyond the Stars, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, The Last Starfighter, AND Star Wars Holiday Special before I'd watch the Special Editions again. Suck my dick, George Lucas.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
And yes, I know that the fan-made Despecialized Editions exist, but that doesn't let Lucas off the hook for this bullshit. :bolo
[close]

Ask me about The Warriors. It's one of my favorite films and the directors cut is the only one the director wants re-released now and it's absolute fan-fiction esque trash. It's a Lucas-tier move.

I agree, The Warriors DC is also bullshit.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on November 29, 2017, 10:19:48 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_changes_in_Star_Wars_re-releases

It appears you are not entirely correct, Joe. A pre-Special Edition version was included on the 2004 DVD set. It wasn't stricken from the Lucasfilm history books.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 29, 2017, 10:31:30 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_changes_in_Star_Wars_re-releases

It appears you are not entirely correct, Joe. A pre-Special Edition version was included on the 2004 DVD set. It wasn't stricken from the Lucasfilm history books.

Lucasfilm did release the original cuts on DVD as "Bonus Features" to the Special Edition, but I'm not going to count dumping some early-90's Laserdisc masters onto a DVD to be a proper release.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on November 29, 2017, 10:41:07 AM
What if The Warriors but with shit flash inserts ?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on November 29, 2017, 10:49:55 AM
What if The Warriors but with shit flash inserts ?

:stahp

Let's make it the only version available upon re-release
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: nachobro on November 29, 2017, 10:51:50 AM
Those original cuts barely count as a release. It's a bonus feature on the DVD and IIRC doesn't even have chapter marks or anything like that. Just a straight rip and dump.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 03, 2017, 12:19:01 AM
Joe was watching the Unspecial Edition fan-edit of Empire Strikes Back and I caught the second half of it. Still a darn fine film after all these years. :lawd :whew
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Post by: chronovore on December 06, 2017, 08:37:37 AM
https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/938004647779823616
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Post by: agrajag on December 06, 2017, 10:39:54 AM
Joe was watching the Unspecial Edition fan-edit of Empire Strikes Back and I caught the second half of it. Still a darn fine film after all these years. :lawd :whew

True story: the first SW film I saw was Empire on VHS. I went to Blockbuster and they didn't have any ANH, and I couldn't be arsed to wait, so I started off with ESB and it made such an impression on me.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 11, 2017, 05:22:39 PM
Got my Star War ticket ready to go for Thursday at 7:25. :rock
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 11, 2017, 05:41:34 PM
I'm prepped for my 7 oclock viewing as well.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on December 11, 2017, 06:03:46 PM
Got shit going on earlier that night but going to an 11:30 showing.
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 11, 2017, 06:46:33 PM
7pm Thursday night. Psyched.
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Post by: team filler on December 11, 2017, 07:17:19 PM
 :bobby
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Post by: team filler on December 11, 2017, 07:17:44 PM
 :bobby
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 11, 2017, 08:12:13 PM
Can't believe you kiddos are giving Disney your money so early

:trumps
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 11, 2017, 08:12:23 PM
Can't believe you kiddos are giving Disney your money so early

:trumps
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Post by: chronovore on December 11, 2017, 08:45:06 PM
STAHP
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Post by: Tasty on December 11, 2017, 08:51:46 PM
STAHP
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Post by: Tasty on December 11, 2017, 08:51:58 PM
Oops accidentally switched to my alt :bobby
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on December 11, 2017, 10:16:17 PM
STAHP
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on December 11, 2017, 10:16:41 PM
Oops did it again :bobby
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Post by: chronovore on December 12, 2017, 12:44:34 AM
Oops did it again :bobby
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Post by: agrajag on December 12, 2017, 02:06:05 AM
Kiddos
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Post by: agrajag on December 12, 2017, 02:06:13 AM
Kiddos
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Post by: VomKriege on December 12, 2017, 08:05:08 AM
ResetEra
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Post by: VomKriege on December 12, 2017, 08:05:22 AM
NeoGAF
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Post by: Dickie Dee on December 12, 2017, 08:26:57 AM
This thread is like poetry...
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 12, 2017, 09:24:35 AM
...it's mostly shit.
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Post by: paprikastaude on December 12, 2017, 09:59:39 AM
This thread is like poetry...

It crushes you like a bug?
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Post by: paprikastaude on December 12, 2017, 10:02:18 AM
review embargo broken (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lCW-iaOZ_M&t=0s)
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Post by: Himu on December 12, 2017, 10:05:35 AM
review embargo broken (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lCW-iaOZ_M&t=0s)

Is there a non-spoiler RLM review
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Post by: paprikastaude on December 12, 2017, 10:19:24 AM
I can't tell anymore who's serious, but in any case, there's no spoilers in that video.
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Post by: Himu on December 12, 2017, 10:21:18 AM
Why did they say there were spoilers in the title then?
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Post by: Himu on December 12, 2017, 10:33:35 AM
spoilers are not a joke!!!!!
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Post by: Himu on December 12, 2017, 10:45:58 AM
"It was so nostalgic to see the millenium falcon after all these decades. Which we haven't seen since Return of the Jedi."
"That was...also in the last film, The Force Awakens..."
"Oh, I did not see that film"

:rofl

Rich holding back laughter :lol
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Post by: headwalk on December 12, 2017, 11:44:27 AM
i'm torn between not being bothered about seeing this film at all and going at midnight just so i can have an opinion on it.

loads of seats left though for cinemas that were booked out months in advance before.
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Post by: paprikastaude on December 12, 2017, 12:09:41 PM
star wars salad
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 12, 2017, 12:15:25 PM
Don't they make Star Wars Sudafed?
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Post by: Let's Cyber on December 12, 2017, 02:41:55 PM
Very cool.
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Post by: Tasty on December 12, 2017, 06:24:53 PM
CNN fucking unloaded on this movie, goddamn. :lol Calling it closer to Attack of the Clones than The Empire Strikes Back.
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Post by: Atramental on December 12, 2017, 06:27:47 PM
Nothing can be as bad as Attack of the Clones.

Not even Episode I was as bad as AotC, IMHO. :goty2
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Post by: chronovore on December 12, 2017, 06:39:40 PM
Nothing can be as bad as Attack of the Clones.

Not even Episode I was as bad as AotC, IMHO. :goty2

AotC is arguably the worst movie in the franchise. Phantom, at least, doesn't work overtime to create plot holes and negate itself at every turn. The idea that the Jedi are unconcerned that a clone army being created on a planet that isn't in their database is available for use, and Yoda shows up with them, leading them in the final scene? Poppycock Level: 11/10
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Post by: Atramental on December 12, 2017, 06:45:24 PM
If I could only pick one prequel trilogy movie that Disney could recreate it would be AotC.
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Post by: Himu on December 12, 2017, 07:13:39 PM
CNN fucking unloaded on this movie, goddamn. :lol Calling it closer to Attack of the Clones than The Empire Strikes Back.

Whaaaat
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Post by: paprikastaude on December 12, 2017, 07:45:10 PM
Attack of the Clones wasn't even good as a 12 yo.
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Post by: Tasty on December 12, 2017, 07:50:05 PM
CNN fucking unloaded on this movie, goddamn. :lol Calling it closer to Attack of the Clones than The Empire Strikes Back.

Whaaaat

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/12/entertainment/star-wars-the-last-jedi-review/index.html

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If expectations for "Star Wars: The Last Jedi" were inordinately (and perhaps unfairly) high, thank "The Force Awakens," which had a huge donut hole in the shape of Luke Skywalker at its center. Yet even with Luke integrated into the story, the film feels like a significant letdown, one that does far less than its predecessor to stoke enthusiasm for the next leg in the trilogy.

[...]

And where "Force Awakens" director J.J. Abrams nicely set the table for this sequel, this film leaves Abrams (who will reprise that role on Episode IX) with his work cut out for him. The flaws also invite second-guessing about Lucasfilm's pre-release vote of confidence by anointing Johnson as the force behind a separate trilogy set in that far-away galaxy.

[...]

In crass commercial terms, no clairvoyance is necessary to predict that "The Last Jedi" will be a huge hit, blunting any criticism. Yet if "The Empire Strikes Back" stands as the defining chapter in the "Star Wars" saga, as second movies go, "Last Jedi" ranks closer to the "Attack of the Clones" end of the gene pool.

Can't wait for the Plinkett review on this one. :hyper
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Post by: headwalk on December 12, 2017, 08:18:43 PM
there's one spoiler i've seen that i've got no clue how they're going to justify:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
luke turns kylo evil by attempting to murder him in his sleep when he's a kid
[close]
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Post by: D3RANG3D on December 12, 2017, 08:27:45 PM
https://youtu.be/2lCW-iaOZ_M
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Post by: benjipwns on December 12, 2017, 08:34:30 PM
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David Watson
6 hours ago
painful experiemce after 4 minutes i got the fuck outta here , i just wanted a fucking review not shmuckery from you imbeciles because you milk it for every penny overdoing everything and it just gets way too fucking much to bear


Ian Fults
8 hours ago
I am sorry guys, but this is not funny, not impressed with your presentation and your voices irritated the daylights out of me.

Just my subjective opinion, but ya, you need to learn how to sound like you are not reading horribly written dialogue.

Annoyance Factor Infinity.

How you got 650K subs blows my mind, not quality that's for sure.

I am just blow away by how bad this was . .


MMA REBELZ
8 hours ago
so y’all just trolling


Pauladin Won
7 hours ago
There's a difference between satire and being complete utter idiocy. These guys are so fucking punchable.
nothing says salad like star wars
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Post by: benjipwns on December 12, 2017, 08:46:27 PM
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/12/12/spoiler-free-star-wars-last-jedi-review/
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There is obviously more to all of it than that, but this is spoiler-free, and going in with as little knowledge as possible makes for an optimal viewing experience.

There has been some worry among fans that Lucasfilm wasn’t giving their directors and writers any room to create their own movies. While many agreed that The Force Awakens was good, it did feel very similar to A New Hope. The Last Jedi is nothing like Empire Strikes Back, and in fact feels very much like Rogue One in that it’s extremely different. It takes risks from the first moment and opens up new doors in what the mythology of this world really is.

This is a character piece, and the moments of building are subtle and lovely to watch. We see our main heroes each go through new trials and tribulations that help shape the people they will become in future movies — in both good ways and bad. Director/writer Rian Johnson doesn’t just take risks; he does things with this movie that could easily be considered “unsafe” for brand management,
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The cast continues to be the best part of this entire franchise. Any moment Carrie Fisher is on screen is just a reminder of what a wonderful actress and person we lost. It makes every one of her scenes that much more moving and heartbreaking. Hamill shows us a new side to Luke Skywalker and proves that he can take this character in new and believable directions. Ridley is a powerhouse in the role of Rey as we watch this young woman struggle to find her place in this world. Boyega and Tran are a great duo. Their story is fun and engaging to watch, with Tran clearly becoming the new heart of the series. Oscar Isaac‘s Poe Dameron grows in beautifully subtle ways and continues to steal every single scene he’s in. Newcomers Laura Dern and Benicio del Toro don’t have a ton of screen time, but Dern in particular is handed one of the best scenes in the movie. Driver and Domhnall Gleeson as General Hux continue to play wonderfully off of each other to the point where you want to ask them to lay their lightsabers on the table and get out a ruler to clear everything up.


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Star Wars: The Last Jedi is an emotional roller coaster of a movie. It fakes you out with what you think is going to happen, and then completely flips that on its head. It expands the scope of what we think is capable from the Force in this universe. It sets up a new dynamic that is going to prove fascinating to watch in future movies. “This is not going to go the way you think,” is the best possible way to describe this gift of a film.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 12, 2017, 09:28:12 PM
Shameful Star Wars prequel live journal reminiscence time:

When I saw The Phantom Menace in theaters, I didn't hate it. BUT I was not really a movie watcher then. We didn't have cable, my parents didn't buy/rent movies, we just had Disney movies on VHS and whatever was on CBS/NBC/ABC/FOX /UPN/Telemundo. It was a big deal to see movies in the theater, and I'm not gonna pretend like my palate was too refined for TPM. I was easily impressed.

Between TPM and AOTC, I got a DVD player and started watching a ton of movies. I was becoming a bit more jaded. BUT I was drinking the kool-aid from AICN, and they said it was the best Star Wars since ESB omg! And when I saw it, I still thought AOTC was pretty cool. I saw it with some friends, we were all like "woah, Yoda had a lightsaber and there were a million jedi, very cool!" Then I saw it again and I was like "damn, this love crap in the middle really drags on" but it still worth it for the awesome action scenes. Very cool! I couldn't wait to see it again on DVD. Then I saw it again on DVD and I was like "damn, this movie is really shit".

By the time ROTS came out, I was in full film-snob mode and I was not about to let George Lucas get one over on me again. I went in prepared to be unimpressed BUT...I wasn't. Impressed, that is, because the movie was kinda shit.  I'm willing to say that it was better than AOTC and TPM, but overuse of CGI and green screen, the terrible acting, and Lucas's tone deaf ear for dialog was finally too much and I don't think I've seen ROTS or any of the prequel movies in their entirety since then.

I have watched Ice Pirates on many occasions though, and might do so again at a moment's notice. Bruce Vilanch > Hayden Christensen
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Post by: Himu on December 12, 2017, 09:33:13 PM
But Rumbler talked about Sci-Fi channel anime saturdays. But you say you didn't have cable in 1999 which was around the time that was broadcast. You said before you recorded anime from Sci-fi channel too! Who is lying?!
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 12, 2017, 09:52:43 PM
By 1999 we had cable, but it was a very recent thing. Cable was not available in our area at all before then. There was this weird proto-Direct TV service that people in our area had that was a tall antenna instead of a dish, but we didn't have it. We just had a regular antenna and we got about a dozen channels.
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Post by: kingv on December 12, 2017, 11:20:19 PM
94% on rotten tomatoes, so I suppose that means it is even better than Ghostbuster 2016
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Post by: benjipwns on December 13, 2017, 12:05:11 AM
94% on rotten tomatoes, so I suppose that means it is even better than Ghostbuster 2016
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Star Wars: The Last Jedi honors the saga's rich legacy while adding some surprising twists—and delivering all the emotion-rich action fans could hope for.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 13, 2017, 12:12:19 AM
include me in the group that would rather watch The Phantom Menace than Attack of the Clones or Revenge of the Sith

if we could somehow swap out NOW THIS IS PODRACING and some other ANNIE related scenes (except for the ones that are funny for the wrong reasons) for Obi-Wan's elaborate detective work ("goes to the planet at the center of the conspiracy unlike everyone else and just asks the director about it") in AOTC, i'd make it definitive

some of my HS friends went to AOTC's midnight showing and the one immediately after and couldn't stop raving about it as so amazing, ESPECIALLY YODA AND THE BATTLES, and i just wanted it to end like halfway through...then ROTS i wanted to end like ten minutes in, but all the reviews at the time were hilarious, THE DARKEST, MOST POLITICAL OF THE STAR WARS FILMS though its RT score has degraded over the years it was like 88% or something at release

oh the W. years
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Post by: Tasty on December 13, 2017, 12:36:20 AM
ROTS's best part is those first 10 minutes tho
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Post by: Momo on December 13, 2017, 12:51:17 AM
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David Watson
6 hours ago
painful experiemce after 4 minutes i got the fuck outta here , i just wanted a fucking review not shmuckery from you imbeciles because you milk it for every penny overdoing everything and it just gets way too fucking much to bear


Ian Fults
8 hours ago
I am sorry guys, but this is not funny, not impressed with your presentation and your voices irritated the daylights out of me.

Just my subjective opinion, but ya, you need to learn how to sound like you are not reading horribly written dialogue.

Annoyance Factor Infinity.

How you got 650K subs blows my mind, not quality that's for sure.

I am just blow away by how bad this was . .


MMA REBELZ
8 hours ago
so y’all just trolling


Pauladin Won
7 hours ago
There's a difference between satire and being complete utter idiocy. These guys are so fucking punchable.
nothing says salad like star wars
Robert sure has a lot of alts.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 13, 2017, 10:13:49 AM
Seems like the movie is good, not great, and I'm okay with that.  I haven't read any spoilers so I'm excited to be surprised on Thursday.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 13, 2017, 04:04:56 PM
aw fuck manabyte loves it, that means its terrible
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Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on December 13, 2017, 08:00:14 PM
Massive fucking spoilers for Star Wars 8. Do not click link if you don't wish to be spoiled.

http://agirlwithwinter.tumblr.com/post/168508585959/as-requested-this-scene-happened-in-the-throne
 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Post by: team filler on December 13, 2017, 08:14:52 PM
 :lol
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 13, 2017, 09:33:28 PM
holy shit the hate this movie is getting on resetera  :lol

I'm still really excited for it – loved TFA, enjoyed R1, and I love Rian Johnson's films...I expect a whirlwind of crazy shit and fun action.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 13, 2017, 09:37:20 PM
ROTS's best part is those first 10 minutes tho
There is no best part of that movie.
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Post by: Atramental on December 13, 2017, 09:39:30 PM
I'm basically going into this movie on Saturday with zero expectations.  :yeshrug
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Post by: Huff on December 13, 2017, 10:37:14 PM
I want to spoil myself just so I can spoil other people like my roommate who is hyped
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Post by: Assimilate on December 13, 2017, 10:37:33 PM
CNN fucking unloaded on this movie, goddamn. :lol Calling it closer to Attack of the Clones than The Empire Strikes Back.

Whaaaat

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/12/entertainment/star-wars-the-last-jedi-review/index.html

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If expectations for "Star Wars: The Last Jedi" were inordinately (and perhaps unfairly) high, thank "The Force Awakens," which had a huge donut hole in the shape of Luke Skywalker at its center. Yet even with Luke integrated into the story, the film feels like a significant letdown, one that does far less than its predecessor to stoke enthusiasm for the next leg in the trilogy.

[...]

And where "Force Awakens" director J.J. Abrams nicely set the table for this sequel, this film leaves Abrams (who will reprise that role on Episode IX) with his work cut out for him. The flaws also invite second-guessing about Lucasfilm's pre-release vote of confidence by anointing Johnson as the force behind a separate trilogy set in that far-away galaxy.

[...]

In crass commercial terms, no clairvoyance is necessary to predict that "The Last Jedi" will be a huge hit, blunting any criticism. Yet if "The Empire Strikes Back" stands as the defining chapter in the "Star Wars" saga, as second movies go, "Last Jedi" ranks closer to the "Attack of the Clones" end of the gene pool.

Can't wait for the Plinkett review on this one. :hyper
And this is why idiot "journalists" need to stop using and quoting Rottentomatoes scores. It's irrelevant garbage. Most of the reviews were like "ok, it's decent" and then there were some scathing ones like the CNN review. Most nobody but the hardest of popculture geeks loved this turd.

I hope every damn day that Disney eats a big one and Marvel and Star Wars collapse.
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Post by: Himu on December 13, 2017, 10:53:04 PM
So this is another Rogue One?
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Post by: Tokyosandblaster on December 13, 2017, 10:59:58 PM
I'm certain that this is a pretty good movie. It's just that it seems as though they're shitting on everything that came before it. Can't make final judgement until I see the movie for myself though. I fucking love porgs.
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Post by: chronovore on December 14, 2017, 08:52:07 AM
Ralph McQuarrie styled Star Wars trailer. Pretty neat:
https://vimeo.com/246979354
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 14, 2017, 01:27:56 PM
The one good thing to come from the Disney purchase of Fox is that we'll finally get those unmolested version Star Wars Original Trilogy Blurays. Maybe.
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Post by: Himu on December 14, 2017, 01:33:50 PM
today is the day capitalism wins :brazilcry and it's no wonder it's Star Wars release day too! :brazilcry
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Post by: VomKriege on December 14, 2017, 02:34:14 PM
The one good thing to come from the Disney purchase of Fox is that we'll finally get those unmolested version Star Wars Original Trilogy Blurays. Maybe.

I always was under the impression than the Fox thing was an added problem on top but not necessarily the main cause for this ? I mean it's not like it was impossible to strike a deal with Fox, they obviously had to for the Special Editions, didn't they ?
Lucasfilm pretenses with regards to the status of negative copies for not scanning and do a digital restoration of the original were always fairly besides the point and oblique (see here for a small discussion : link (http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Star-Wars-Negatives-and-Interpositives/id/55070)). It's always better to scan elements as close to the source as possible for image quality but really many a film digital versions has been mainly sourced in the brown/lavender copy or some interpositive or internegative (if only because of availability and lost original material) for excellent final results. It's hard to believe none of those are around, especially for someone as technically minded than Lucas.

Anyway my point is that the refusal to do so from Lucasfilm part has always been fairly opaque. They were attributed to Lucas ego and kookiness but really it's not that uncommon that an altered so called "superior" edit (or color grading) will get used for most all upcoming releases if only by virtue of having a more recent video master and probably to avoid dividing and confusing consumers with several versions of a same product. What I mean is that Lucasfilm might not be inclined to do so even with Lucas out of the picture and might want to keep the same policy in place, though it's not impossible being reliant on Fox impeded any greenlight for such a work too.

I wouldn't dare to make a quotation but it's hard to imagine that a full restoration of the films wouldn't at least be north of a million or two (even with some work already being done in preparation of the SE). A drop in a bucket for Disney-Marvel-Lucasfilm-Fox, but they didn't get rich by spending money, you know ? It seems the first priority for them now is to expand the franchise instead of milking the original material (which already was profited from quite a bit) and not to lean too heavy on it to avoid any risk of fatigue.

I'm sure however they'll indulge at one point, probably for one last big money grab before the original fans kick the bucket themselves.
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Post by: seagrams hotsauce on December 14, 2017, 05:15:35 PM
I want to spoil myself just so I can spoil other people like my roommate who is hyped

I'm so exhausted by Star Wars shit that I'm tempted to blow it for everyone anywhere I can out of spite. I'm not quite there but I don't think I can stop myself next year
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Post by: Cryo on December 14, 2017, 06:41:51 PM
I want to spoil myself just so I can spoil other people like my roommate who is hyped

I'm so exhausted by Star Wars shit that I'm tempted to blow it for everyone anywhere I can out of spite. I'm not quite there but I don't think I can stop myself next year
pls PM or post the plot so I can read it and not think about it during my hellish weekend of final exams
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Post by: headwalk on December 14, 2017, 06:43:23 PM
don't want to be a moany old cunt who has a haughty opinion based off webms and leaks so i'm off to give it a fair shout at the biggest screen i can find, will report back.
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Post by: hungrynoob on December 14, 2017, 07:09:02 PM
a guy in work told me today he gives attack of the clones 8/10.
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Post by: Atramental on December 14, 2017, 07:10:55 PM
Gross.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 14, 2017, 07:18:25 PM
I've only seen TFA once, and while I didn't like it at least it's a competent film. The writing isn't terrible, the acting is good, there's some nice humor, there are a couple nice action sequences, etc. Whereas the prequels are just bad. GRANTED I liked TPM when it first came out; I saw it on the first day....but on subsequent views it became clear it wasn't good (with the only redeeming factor being Darth Maul).

AOTC was worse, which makes it the worst Star Wars film. Everything that was bad about TPM is amplified, and there is no redeeming factor or interesting bit here or there. ROTS certainly has some redeeming qualities but overall is one of the worst written films I've ever seen.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 14, 2017, 09:19:37 PM
I ended up not liking a lot about this movie sadly, how much are we allowed to talk about it in this thread?

Just spoiler tag it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 14, 2017, 09:29:28 PM
How drunk does Daisy Ridley seem in this? According to blind items she’s pretty much always wasted.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cryo on December 14, 2017, 09:29:37 PM
wtf I have no PMs  :(
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: zomgee on December 14, 2017, 10:31:16 PM
It felt like a tale from Star Wars. So much stuff seemed so unimportant, and some of it seemed so far-fetched and unbelievable it was difficult to take seriously. Other things were so hard-hitting and impactful that there were some strains of a good movie about conflict, but other parts just made those scenes feel flat.

I'm just doing a stream of consciousness through voice recognition, so I'm sure this all sounds very strange. I think it was a good tale, but just not a good movie.

I'm not sure what happened during this entire movie that really changed anything at all from the end of the last movie.

Those of you who have seen it please tell me I'm crazy, but Leia does something so unbelievably silly, far-fetched, and outside from what I understand of this universe, that it really put me off for the rest of the film.
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Post by: Diunx on December 14, 2017, 10:41:42 PM
Best star wars since empire strike back  :rejoice
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: zomgee on December 14, 2017, 10:53:29 PM
Yup you nailed it.

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I mean who the hell is Snoke!? What the hell is Phasma? Is the first order clinically distinguished mentally-challenged? Why do they fall for the same thing in the same film over and over?

DOES THE FIRST ORDER ONLY HAVE 5 SHIPS? We have to chase the rebel capital ships at impulse speeds because we can't hit them from a distance... Could you maybe call a couple other ships? Flank them?
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Post by: team filler on December 14, 2017, 10:58:00 PM
 :trash sounds like some mickey mouse bullshit  :-\
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 14, 2017, 11:13:50 PM
I personally loved it
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Post by: zomgee on December 14, 2017, 11:27:13 PM
Remember this part in Star Wars:


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Good guy goes to bad guys base to try and change bad guy
Good guy calls bad guy by his real first name in order to imply that the bad guy could be good
"I sense the good in you"
Bad guy handcuffs good guy to take good guy up an elevator to meet the super bad guy
Super bad guy torments good guy in front of bad guy, changing the bad guys mind about good guy and super bad guy
Bad guy has a change of heart and kills super bad guy at the last minute

Bad guy takes his shirt off and shows his giant baby body to good guy - well that's only in this film

Let's send a small squad directly into the bad guys base to take out the thing generator
The maybe good maybe bad guy take a pile of of money instead of helping
The good guys take on AT-ATs with little ships that weren't meant to take on AT-ATs
Capital ships attack a rebel base from space but the rebel ships escape at the last moment
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: zomgee on December 14, 2017, 11:30:09 PM
I *liked* it. I'm also not in this moive's age group any more.
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Post by: TVC15 on December 14, 2017, 11:40:37 PM
Has George Lucas shit on this one yet? The only comment I see so far is that he said it was “beautifully made” or something, which is kind of passive-aggressive, but I want something juicer.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 14, 2017, 11:53:20 PM
I give TLJ props for crapping on the Prequel Trilogy Jedi Order as well as derpy internet fan theories.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 14, 2017, 11:54:44 PM
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I hope Episode IX opens with Poe's court martial and execution. He committed treason and mutiny and was indirectly responsible for hundreds of people's death and the resistance almost getting destroyed because of his and Finn's dumbass plan. What a lovable rogue!  :lol
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This movie was ridiculous. :neogaf
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Post by: headwalk on December 14, 2017, 11:58:58 PM
odd experience, not sure i can be bothered to do a full write up. i didn't hate it like i thought i might, but it definitely has the mark of rian johnson all over it. take that for what you will.

on the occasion that the film just plays it straight down the line it generally succeeds, shame those moments are so frequently bookended by marvel quips or groanworthy clunkers ("
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we are the spark that will light the fire that will burn the first order down
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"). it's a film that betrays itself in a lot of ways. i could special fellow out a whole essay on world building and how the first order now being the reigning power and the republic being overtly referred to as "the rebellion" makes absolutely fuck all sense, but it's endemic of the film's desire to present situations or characters without being bothered to do the legwork.

luke is the key example of this. while his character seems to based more on crotchety old con-going mark hamill than anything george lucas wrote down, i'm not entire opposed to the idea of him being a sarcastic beaten man begging for a redemption arc, but you have to do a bit more legwork for that than just saying
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i failed with kylo
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over and over. this film just can't be bothered with that, which is surprising considering it's got time for entirely pointless dr who and decadent alien animal abusers sideplot.

daisy ridley continues to be awful and you yanks are lucky that her accent puts a degree of separation in there because she is literally drama GCSE tier and can't maneuver even the simplest lines without looking like a startled backpacker on her gap year. adam driver on the other hand is fantastic throughout and the beating heart of the film for me, despite being a conflicted pissbaby he's the only thing resembling a credible threat (
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after snoke was offed at least
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). fisher was bizarre and i must admit i wondered if they got her fresh corpse in an propped her up for a few scenes her acting was so stilted and wooden. the moment matey talked about above was probably the single worst moment in a star wars film, which suffers equally from the lack of said legwork and just being visually hilarious.

there are some absolutely visually stunning moments in this film, and thematic crescendos that should hit hard, but again each one seems to have a line or moment that takes you out of it. (
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the AT ATs shooting at "luke" only for him to walk out of it and do a god awful MCU shoulder flick
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)

all these moments of insincerity add up and you just end up feeling like the stakes are ankle high. the first order seems to be made of 99% incompetent preening boobs (
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serkis's snoke is a wonderful scenery chewing homage to the emperor and i just wish they could've let serkis play him au natural instead of monster mash CGI, but once he's gone it's like every 80s cartoon where you have a one smart bad guy and his troop of dufuses - minus the one smart guy
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). it leaves the lanscape in an entirely familiar situation with the message of "this is just the beginning" like a horrible foreboding for anyone hoping for some kind of resolve rather than just endless episodes for eternity.

you can take the exact same treatment and make a very good film out of it. you can take the exact same moments and with a bit of narrative establishment and more careful handwriting make something great.  as it is it's just a frequently enjoyable but ultimately baffling, insincere and as a result largely emotionally ineffective experience which often feels like it's already got one foot in an MCU crossover.

i think i might feel knocked back if i really enjoyed TFA and thought it was going to be the foundation of a classic series, but i already felt like the writing was on the wall back then.

my favourite two things about this film were ade edmonson being in it and that the skiff flyers were proper pieces of shit and what a
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that whole attack was after being all over the trailers.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 15, 2017, 12:00:47 AM
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Laura Dern is a hero, burn in hell Poe.  :salute
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Post by: Freyj on December 15, 2017, 02:44:11 AM
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yoda scene being the best scene despite being an easy nostalgia target is telling
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everything to do with Finn, Rose and 80-90% of Poe should’ve not been in this movie
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rlm gonna tear this thing a new asshole if Mike doesn’t unfathomably love it
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Post by: headwalk on December 15, 2017, 02:47:48 AM
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was there a reason given the new order couldn't just jump some ships to the other side of the rebel cruiser and just wait for them?
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Post by: Freyj on December 15, 2017, 03:13:59 AM
People praising the Finn / Rose plot as “amazing” completely baffles me.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on December 15, 2017, 03:21:31 AM
People praising the Finn / Rose plot as “amazing” completely baffles me.

I thought it was ok, the truly awful thing for me

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was the stupid fucking "chase." So dumb. And Poe... if his character learned nothing from all of that, he's the fucking worst. I agree with Joe, he should be court martialed and executed.
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Post by: Freyj on December 15, 2017, 03:24:32 AM
All three should be for murdering the pacing and enjoyment of this movie.

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also what the fuck happened to the Knights of Ren?
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Post by: benjipwns on December 15, 2017, 05:47:59 AM
Remember this part in Star Wars:


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Bad guy takes his shirt off and shows his giant baby body to good guy - well that's only in this film
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:phil

"Star Wars: The Last Jedi honors the saga's rich legacy while adding some surprising twists—and delivering all the emotion-rich action fans could hope for" confirmed.
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Post by: Borealis on December 15, 2017, 06:27:41 AM
All three should be for murdering the pacing and enjoyment of this movie.

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also what the fuck happened to the Knights of Ren?
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I suspect:

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They're totally the Royal Guards defending Snoke.  :nintendo

But in reality, another dropped plot thread. Johnson positions the film as some sort of auteur 'subversion' to Star Wars canon and lore, but it really comes across as a rather bloated, internally inconsistent, and poorly-paced follow-up to TFA.
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Post by: Marhunchy on December 15, 2017, 10:39:24 AM
the fact that there's a whole subplot/theme against the 1% in a Star Wars flick made by Disney/LucasArts  :delicious :delicious :delicious
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Post by: zomgee on December 15, 2017, 10:52:37 AM
the fact that there's a whole subplot/theme against the 1% in a Star Wars flick made by Disney/LucasArts  :delicious :delicious :delicious

"Yeah but they deserved it."

It's a kids movie!
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Post by: Freyj on December 15, 2017, 11:20:41 AM
I like that the defense of a lot of the nonsense this film pulls is already boiling down to “IT BROKE NEW GROUND”. I think TFA will be remembered positively if not quite ANH / ESB and TLJ will age poorly. Really up to IX to determine if any of this trilogy is worth a shit at this point.

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I think there’s probably a way to migrate Finn into Rey’s plot lines, cut the Resistance scenes by 80% at least and still have your “Rey and Finn are nobodies and they’re saving the galaxy” message in a considerably better balanced and paced movie.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 15, 2017, 11:25:19 AM
Hah, definitely expected a lot of people to hate it or at least not like it as much as TFA.  I liked TFA more, but I really enjoyed TLJ and appreciate the much needed shakeup and risk to the series.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 15, 2017, 11:47:28 AM
Like who would even be the 1% in the galaxy at this point? Didn't they kill like a hundred billion people and the population center of the New Republic in TFA already? The whole state of the galaxy makes like no sense to me, this probably made it even worse than TFA.

Personally, I'd look at the dudes with the resources to covertly build such a superweapon as a serious nominee. I mean, that thing did more than the Death Stars ever accomplished and those had the full resources of the Empire backing them, not some kind of Empire leftovers plus an Empire fan club organization.

Though Star Wars' film era galactic politics have never made much sense.
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Post by: Tokyosandblaster on December 15, 2017, 12:09:35 PM
This movie needed like a page... 30 rewrite. I thought the beginning was great.

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It all starts going downhill once it turns into Battlestar Galactica.
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Your existence deserves a rewrite. Keep shilling the most experienced candidate of all time and leave my Star Wars alone. Thanks.
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Post by: Rufus on December 15, 2017, 12:16:40 PM
Your existence deserves a rewrite. Keep shilling the most experienced candidate of all time and leave my Star Wars alone. Thanks.
STFU Junior
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Post by: stufte on December 15, 2017, 12:33:27 PM
The whole movie is a lesson in the fallacy of hero worship, IMO.
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Finn/Rose subplot was entirely too long and Leia should have died in the vaccum of space. Rey spent entirely too much time in the basement of Lukes creepy jedi island. Other than that, I fucking loved it.
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Post by: Marhunchy on December 15, 2017, 01:12:52 PM
the fact that there's a whole subplot/theme against the 1% in a Star Wars flick made by Disney/LucasArts  :delicious :delicious :delicious

"Yeah but they deserved it."

It's a kids movie!

But the kids were already happy because they freed the running horsecats!

I think i became a little too jaded for this kind of movies
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 15, 2017, 01:38:45 PM
What did they walk back on?
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Post by: Freyj on December 15, 2017, 02:01:04 PM
At least

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Poe learnt his lesson at the end of the movie after killing thousands of people and half his crew twice when facing down ATATs with skiffs
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Post by: Freyj on December 15, 2017, 02:05:38 PM
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I don’t think I give any fucks about anyone left alive in these movies except Rey and Kylo now and even then I don’t know where they can go with that that now that isn’t yet more RotJ level pointlessness leading to the inevitable final battle sequence.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 15, 2017, 03:28:43 PM
I like how Phasma was hyped up to be some badass but then she just had a small role and did nothing in TFA (*cough*Boba Fett, Darth Maul) but then they brought her back for basically no reason other than to reassure the audience that Han and Finn didn’t kill her, then they had her just do nothing again and die for real(?) this time.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 15, 2017, 04:16:30 PM
hmm.  I understand what you mean but I don't really agree.

I think filmcritichulk captures my love for it well:

https://filmcrithulk.blog/2017/12/15/the-force-belongs-to-us-the-last-jedis-beautiful-refocusing-of-star-wars/ (https://filmcrithulk.blog/2017/12/15/the-force-belongs-to-us-the-last-jedis-beautiful-refocusing-of-star-wars/)

but...again, that's just me
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Post by: Freyj on December 15, 2017, 04:30:07 PM
I like how Phasma was hyped up to be some badass but then she just had a small role and did nothing in TFA (*cough*Boba Fett, Darth Maul) but then they brought her back for basically no reason other than to reassure the audience that Han and Finn didn’t kill her, then they had her just do nothing again and die for real(?) this time.

I’ll be truly astonished if she doesn’t come back one final time in IX and be just as pointless.
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Post by: Himu on December 15, 2017, 05:14:31 PM
This was unwashed butt cheeks and barely above Rogue One which was already prequel tier.

(https://i.giphy.com/media/3oz8xKaVomTm8vI3uw/giphy.gif)

In fact, they suffer from similar issues. I think TLJ might even be worse. Every character is fucking stupid except Luke, Leia, and the Vice-Admiral. I agree with Luke: it's time for Star Wars to just die already.

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 15, 2017, 05:29:11 PM
damn, I don't think I've ever encountered such a divide between critics and fans.

I kinda love it.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 15, 2017, 06:16:19 PM
These new movies have all the consistency and internal logic of watching a child (or thirtysomething "collector") laying out their star wars playsets and making up a story up as they go along. Shit just happens because it happens, if you get bored with the story just ignore it and make up something else, characters interact because those were the action figures they had in their hands at the time.

Although I do think it's hilarious how the filmmakers seem to have a hard on for turning all the beloved original characters into washed-up failures, and refusing to film even one single scene with all of them together.
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Post by: etiolate on December 15, 2017, 06:21:01 PM
A sensed a disturbance in the force.

Discovered that someone's tweets are protected.  :bobby
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Post by: Himu on December 15, 2017, 06:21:54 PM
Let's be real.

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Characters - Every character is a moron except Luke, Leia, and the Vice-Admiral. Even the Vice Admiral barely makes that list because she left the fleet like sitting ducks without so much as a description as to what their plan was. Poe is a fucking idiot and should be executed. That's been covered.Finn and Rose are also fucking idiots. Not only do they not complete their mission but they completely fuck it up and get caught for a pointless reason. Their entire side story was dreadful. The "love you" at the end between them wasn't earned. Before then, they just made jokes and went on some dumb ass overly adventure. Love tho? Really? Snoke is stupid. Rey is stupid. Ben is stupid. Almost every character here does something without thinking first. It doesn't feel like Star Wars. It feels like some Marvel movie in terms of characterization. Luke and BB-8 are literally the only competent fuckers around in this movie.

Themes - The theme of placing hopes and dreams on heroic sacrifice and hero worship could have made for a good movie. Except the film muddles its own ideas because 1. Luke saves the rebellion by acting as a hero to sacrifice himself for the Rebellion, and 2. so does the Vice Admiral. So its themes don't work. So what is it trying to say? Don't rely on legends, don't rely on heroes except...some of the time? This is bat fucking distinguished mentally-challenged. As it is, this makes the story completely incoherent. You could throw in the the theme about light and darkness and how all is one, but the movie doens't really go anywhere with it and it still plays with binary Star Wars, especially since Kylo stays with the First Order and is still very much a bad guy. I was hoping for a hint that the Force - the TRUE Force - blends light and dark together to complete a balanced whole or play with Rey's darkness, and it was just one giant cheeseburger cock tease. As it is, the themes are dog shit and feel rushed.

Story and pacing - I was so fucking bored. Almost every sequence is high thrills. Much like with TFA (which I give credit to for being the first in a trilogy) and Rogue One every scene just HAS to be some modern shitty chase scene or some fight. There's no sit down like in Empire where the Falcon is inside that alien's gut. Finn and Rose's part of the movie is terrible. Poe committing mutiny was distinguished mentally-challenged. Am I supposed to cheer for these characters? I feel absolutely nothing even as the rebellion dies ship by ship, one by one. Despite the high stakes nothing really seems to matter, and didn't matter because a hero would come at the end of the day. And the ending with the little kid looking at the Rebellion ring, gazing at the horizon like Luke did? That was so fucking cheesy and laughable.
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Summary: overly action-packed movie that barely understands Star Wars or its appeal with bad characters, little reason for emotional investment in any character (besides Luke). Poor pacing, poor writing, muddled themes, and just fucking boring despite the sheer number of blaster pews.

Rating: D+, another prequel tier Star Wars movie.
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Post by: Tokyosandblaster on December 15, 2017, 06:36:45 PM
I loved it. There's definitely some issues but this was a fun Star Wars movie. I'm really curious WTF they were thinking with Benicio Del Toros character. He was so fucking bad.
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Post by: Himu on December 15, 2017, 06:38:58 PM
I loved it. There's definitely some issues but this was a fun Star Wars movie. I'm really curious WTF they were thinking with Benicio Del Toros character. He was so fucking bad.

"Movies are supposed to be fun...."

/RLM

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Post by: Himu on December 15, 2017, 06:44:22 PM
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I don’t think I give any fucks about anyone left alive in these movies except Rey and Kylo now and even then I don’t know where they can go with that that now that isn’t yet more RotJ level pointlessness leading to the inevitable final battle sequence.
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Yeah I seriously don't care about any of the characters, even Rey and Kylo at the this point.
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Post by: Borealis on December 15, 2017, 06:47:26 PM
They did Admiral Ackbar fucking dirty >:(
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Post by: Himu on December 15, 2017, 07:40:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eki2AtlZhGc
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Post by: Freyj on December 15, 2017, 07:42:15 PM
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I don’t think I give any fucks about anyone left alive in these movies except Rey and Kylo now and even then I don’t know where they can go with that that now that isn’t yet more RotJ level pointlessness leading to the inevitable final battle sequence.
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Yeah I seriously don't care about any of the characters, even Rey and Kylo at the this point.

I think they both still have potential as characters unlike the rest of the cast after TLJ but I really don't know how the plot can be anything special at this point in IX so

:yeshrug
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Post by: Himu on December 15, 2017, 07:46:46 PM
Same
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Post by: Freyj on December 15, 2017, 07:47:03 PM
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The dark side cave having nothing to offer Rey is the lamest shit I could imagine for the obvious Degobah callback. I genuinely don't buy into Rey = Mary Sue complaints and think that her naivety and child like view of the Force, Jedi, etc is actually sort of fresh in TFA, but that scene absolutely murders the defense against Rey complaints.

She's just so pure that the Dark Side doesn't even tempt her? Fuck off. She can be better than Luke was here, but please make her work for it.
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Post by: Himu on December 15, 2017, 07:54:21 PM
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The dark side cave having nothing to offer Rey is the lamest shit I could imagine for the obvious Degobah callback. I genuinely don't buy into Rey = Mary Sue complaints and think that her naivety and child like view of the Force, Jedi, etc is actually sort of fresh in TFA, but that scene absolutely murders the defense against Rey complaints.

She's just so pure that the Dark Side doesn't even tempt her? Fuck off. She can be better than Luke was here, but please make her work for it.
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Yeah like what the fuck was the point of it?
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She sees herself in the mirror? what in the fuck. It had absolutely nothing to say for being teased as this dark, fucked up place
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Post by: Himu on December 15, 2017, 08:12:45 PM
also

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Rose saving Finn and not only endangering both of them but also potentially killing the entire rebellion because she "loved" him, was the most mindless, brain dead decision I've seen in a star wars movie. Baffling writing that gives characters impenetrable and unjustified plot armor.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 15, 2017, 08:13:37 PM
They did Admiral Ackbar fucking dirty >:(

Let go of the past.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 15, 2017, 08:44:55 PM
This will be a movie that will be debated for decades, and I have a feeling it'll be as divisive as Jedi was – a lot of praise, a lot of hate.
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Post by: Freyj on December 15, 2017, 08:46:34 PM
RotJ was my gut reaction walking out of the theater, but I think I liked RotJ better.
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Post by: BlueTsunami on December 15, 2017, 09:44:14 PM
Movie was worth it for some of that imagery. Leia looking over the frozen landscape in that high collar was absolutely gorgeous. In what looked like a simple pretty frame you cpuld feel her just considering all thats come and all that will transpire.

I feel this film will age much, much butter than TFA. For all the stupid hack fraud plot points, there was a depth in this film I did not get from TFA.

As usual it feels like youre not getting enough Jedi/Sith stuff And its all rebellion. Maybe thats a good thing. Edging works.
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Post by: Himu on December 15, 2017, 09:50:01 PM
Depth? :lol

What depth? Serious question.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on December 15, 2017, 09:55:09 PM
I'm gonna see it again before issuing a FINAL VERDICT but my (spoiler free) initial reaction is that it gets an A+ for ambition and a C+/- for execution.

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It felt like it was trying to cram 2-3 movies worth of chances and screwing with established tropes into one movie, possibly due to TFA playing it so safe and adhering to the "SW formula" for lack of a better term.
 It didn't help that a bunch of those challenges to established themes basically got thrown away in favor of same old same old by the end of it all.
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Post by: BlueTsunami on December 15, 2017, 10:00:02 PM
Depth? :lol

What depth? Serious question.

From a character to character basis

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the forced connection between Rey and Kylo, mirroring the balance
Luke coming to grip with what hes done and his legacy
You could feel the war weighing heavier in this film on Leia
Rey realizing that she comes from gutter trash, she aint special
Kylo losing his shit over a past he has no control over
Finn realizing he's just there for jokes and is a junk character I'm sorry everyone who was hopeful about him
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I related with with the characters in this film more than the carnival ride that was The Force Awakens.

I mean tbe overarching message on legacy alone is worth more than TFAs sole purpose of rev starting the franchise.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 15, 2017, 10:02:08 PM
Liked the movie. It was pretty solid. Thematically more interesting than TFA. The world and war still makes no sense and it was disappointing how Snoke was developed, but still pretty god.
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Post by: Himu on December 15, 2017, 10:11:19 PM
Depth? :lol

What depth? Serious question.

From a character to character basis

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the forced connection between Rey and Kylo, mirroring the balance
Luke coming to grip with what hes done and his legacy
You could feel the war weighing heavier in this film on Leia
Rey realizing that she comes from gutter trash, she aint special
Kylo losing his shit over a past he has no control over
Finn realizing he's just there for jokes and is a junk character I'm sorry everyone who was hopeful about him
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I related with with the characters in this film more than the carnival ride that was The Force Awakens.

I mean tbe overarching message on legacy alone is worth more than TFAs sole purpose of rev starting the franchise.

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snoke deliberately says he made that connection between Rey and Kylo.
Luke was the only interesting character arc IMO. Although Kylo and Rey was interesting, the ending made me not give a shit about anyone as there was no payoff.
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None of that besides the Luke thing even speaks of depth IMO.

To me depth is the scene in TFA where we first meet Rey and learn so much about her from a scene without one word being said. Just making her dinner and then putting on that helmet. I liked character development like that in TFA and didn't get it in TLJ.
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Post by: BlueTsunami on December 15, 2017, 10:15:09 PM
Depth? :lol

What depth? Serious question.

From a character to character basis

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the forced connection between Rey and Kylo, mirroring the balance
Luke coming to grip with what hes done and his legacy
You could feel the war weighing heavier in this film on Leia
Rey realizing that she comes from gutter trash, she aint special
Kylo losing his shit over a past he has no control over
Finn realizing he's just there for jokes and is a junk character I'm sorry everyone who was hopeful about him
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I related with with the characters in this film more than the carnival ride that was The Force Awakens.

I mean tbe overarching message on legacy alone is worth more than TFAs sole purpose of rev starting the franchise.

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snoke deliberately says he made that connection between Rey and Kylo.
Luke was the only interesting character arc IMO. Although Kylo and Rey was interesting, the ending made me not give a shit about anyone as there was no payoff.
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None of that besides the Luke thing even speaks of depth IMO.

To me depth is the scene in TFA where we first meet Rey and learn so much about her from a scene without one word being said. Just making her dinner and then putting on that helmet. I liked character development like that in TFA and didn't get it in TLJ.

Character motivations and conceit isnt depth but putting on a helmet gives you goosebumps ayyyeee

I'm joking but still, I barely remember anything from TFA. To me it held the same emotional grasp of a Marvel film. In that ita sole purpose was to relaunch a universe. It got the job done.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 15, 2017, 10:23:42 PM
Huh? The entire scene was about how lonely and isolated Rey was and how she wanted soemthing more.

You don't think the jokes are Marvel movie-esque?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 15, 2017, 10:27:47 PM
That's basically a preference for one style of narrative over another and has nothing to do with depth, imo.

If anything TLJ's problem is that it tried to do TOO F'N MUCH and steps all over its own dick multiple times in the process. There's plenty of character development and depth, just a lot of it is stupid.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BlueTsunami on December 15, 2017, 10:28:34 PM
The humor actually didnt rub me that way. I feel the series has this history of being so dry outside of Hans's one liners that it may have felt out of character, that I can understand. With that said I wouldnt mind seeing a Villeneuve take on the universe, devoid of humor, all grit.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BlueTsunami on December 15, 2017, 10:30:35 PM
I think we can all agree

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the vacuum of space Leia was cringey as fuck
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Assimilate on December 15, 2017, 10:31:25 PM
whennnnnn willl the fatigue set iN? WHENN??

 :noah

how can you people still want to watch this crap
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 15, 2017, 10:36:08 PM
whennnnnn willl the fatigue set iN? WHENN??

 :noah

how can you people still want to watch this crap

Uh right now fam. I have no desire to see episode 9. Like, no spoilers or anything, but what's the point? The movie literally gives no reason to be invested in a resolution. And then the side movies will likely remain crap too. I might  rent episode 9 from redbox a year after its release at this point. I'm kind of over it thanks to not only this movie but also Rogue One.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BlueTsunami on December 15, 2017, 10:36:20 PM
I dont undertand this fatigue? Where else are we getting this genre of film? People are talking about Star Wars fatigue and yet we're getting the Marvel comic universe from four different angles... Five if you count Netflix.

I'm not even a big fan of star wars but I'm a fan of scifi and I was highly entertained at the action that's pretty much contained to this series at this point.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 15, 2017, 10:41:56 PM
whennnnnn willl the fatigue set iN? WHENN??

 :noah

how can you people still want to watch this crap

Uh right now fam. I have no desire to see episode 9. Like, no spoilers or anything, but what's the point? The movie literally gives no reason to be invested in a resolution. And then the side movies will likely remain crap too. I might  rent episode 9 from redbox a year after its release at this point. I'm kind of over it thanks to not only this movie but also Rogue One.

Cool you still saw this movie on day one and lets be real you'll see the next day one as well.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 15, 2017, 10:43:25 PM
I dont undertand this fatigue? Where else are we getting this genre of film? People are talking about Star Wars fatigue and yet we're getting the Marvel comic universe from four different angles... Five if you count Netflix.

I'm not even a big fan of star wars but I'm a fan of scifi and I was highly entertained at the action that's pretty much contained to this series at this point.

I don't give a fuck about marvel movies either. Last one I saw was civil war that was complete and utter balls. Before that, I saw Captain America 2 and that was okay I guess. For all the stuff Disney is buying up, their quality is starting to go down the crapper. I like their tv far more especially Luke Cage and Daredevil season 1. Haven't seen Punisher or Runaways yet. The next marvel thing I'll see is Black Panther. I saw the Infinity War trailer today while at Episode 8 and literally thought to myself,"who still cares about that that dog crap?"

As far Star Wars, ep 8 was so bad and the movie was terrible at making you care about the stakes or get emotionally invested about any of the characters besides a few that I don't see the point in seeing ep 9 besides wanting to see where this all goes.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 15, 2017, 10:44:41 PM
I think we can all agree

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the vacuum of space Leia was cringey as fuck
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I hated the execution of this but loved the premise.  Like why wouldn't you just
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have her like force barrier herself and use most of her energy to force a way into the ship? instead we got a form of space jesus
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regardless, it's carrie fisher and I was happy to see her use her power despite my feelings
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 15, 2017, 10:44:46 PM
whennnnnn willl the fatigue set iN? WHENN??

 :noah

how can you people still want to watch this crap

Uh right now fam. I have no desire to see episode 9. Like, no spoilers or anything, but what's the point? The movie literally gives no reason to be invested in a resolution. And then the side movies will likely remain crap too. I might  rent episode 9 from redbox a year after its release at this point. I'm kind of over it thanks to not only this movie but also Rogue One.

Cool you still saw this movie on day one and lets be real you'll see the next day one as well.

You think you know anything about me? I am clinically depressed and this was the only thing I had to look forward to this week. So yeah I saw it on day one.

How about we bet something that I will it see ep 9 on day one and you can take your passive aggressive faggotry elsewhere
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on December 15, 2017, 10:44:53 PM
Seeing Ep. 8 tomorrow.

Everyone that I've talked to in person who has seen it said it was great.

Guess I'll see if they're right soon enough.  :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BlueTsunami on December 15, 2017, 10:46:42 PM
I dont undertand this fatigue? Where else are we getting this genre of film? People are talking about Star Wars fatigue and yet we're getting the Marvel comic universe from four different angles... Five if you count Netflix.

I'm not even a big fan of star wars but I'm a fan of scifi and I was highly entertained at the action that's pretty much contained to this series at this point.
I don't see the point in seeing ep 9 besides wanting to see where this all goes.

So in essence youre like...
 :nope

But youre really like

 :ryker
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 15, 2017, 10:48:10 PM
No I'm more like :snore
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 15, 2017, 10:49:24 PM
Marvel has all those movies?

:sabu

Besides Spider-Man, fuck that.

I just found out Thor Ragnarok existed this past weekend. Lmao
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 15, 2017, 10:50:31 PM
I dont undertand this fatigue? Where else are we getting this genre of film? People are talking about Star Wars fatigue and yet we're getting the Marvel comic universe from four different angles... Five if you count Netflix.

I'm not even a big fan of star wars but I'm a fan of scifi and I was highly entertained at the action that's pretty much contained to this series at this point.

I don't give a fuck about marvel movies either. Last one I saw was civil war that was complete and utter balls. Before that, I saw Captain America 2 and that was okay I guess. For all the stuff Disney is buying up, their quality is starting to go down the crapper. I like their tv far more especially Luke Cage and Daredevil season 1. Haven't seen Punisher or Runaways yet. The next marvel thing I'll see is Black Panther. I saw the Infinity War trailer today while at Episode 8 and literally thought to myself,"who still cares about that that dog crap?"

As far Star Wars, ep 8 was so bad and the movie was terrible at making you care about the stakes or get emotionally invested about any of the characters besides a few that I don't see the point in seeing ep 9 besides wanting to see where this all goes.

I'm sorry, but that's not all ALL what I thought leaving the theater.  How can you not care about the stakes when nearly every main character is connected, experiencing failure while at the same time learning from each other? 
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Rey, Ben and Luke contribute so much of each other's growth, development I haven't seen in a popular film in ages.
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The problem of the movie is the overarching story – escaping the FO, trying to deceive them, and learning the ways of the Jedi.  The strength of the movie is how every character realizes the fault in each endeavor and grows individually to contribute to the better whole.

It's a phenomenal character movie burdened by a poorly paced and edited buddy cop movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 15, 2017, 10:54:25 PM
whennnnnn willl the fatigue set iN? WHENN??

 :noah

how can you people still want to watch this crap

Uh right now fam. I have no desire to see episode 9. Like, no spoilers or anything, but what's the point? The movie literally gives no reason to be invested in a resolution. And then the side movies will likely remain crap too. I might  rent episode 9 from redbox a year after its release at this point. I'm kind of over it thanks to not only this movie but also Rogue One.

Cool you still saw this movie on day one and lets be real you'll see the next day one as well.

You think you know anything about me? I am clinically depressed and this was the only thing I had to look forward to this week. So yeah I saw it on day one.

How about we bet something that I will it see ep 9 on day one and you can take your passive aggressive faggotry elsewhere

I mean, maybe this is the crux of everything?  Stop placing so many eggs in one basket?  Heal yourself before you try to look to things to spur healing for you?

I just think your perspective is coming from a place not of valid critique but from completely misaligned expectations.  The movie has some flaws but it's plot direction is not one of them.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 15, 2017, 10:58:44 PM
The more I argue about this movie, the more I love it.  It's such a powerful character narrative that Lucas could never achieve during his reign, and I'm so damned excited to see the followup as I have NO IDEA the direction they'll take it. 
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 15, 2017, 10:59:16 PM
I dont undertand this fatigue? Where else are we getting this genre of film? People are talking about Star Wars fatigue and yet we're getting the Marvel comic universe from four different angles... Five if you count Netflix.

I'm not even a big fan of star wars but I'm a fan of scifi and I was highly entertained at the action that's pretty much contained to this series at this point.

Maybe cause Marvel's good?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 15, 2017, 11:03:50 PM
I dont undertand this fatigue? Where else are we getting this genre of film? People are talking about Star Wars fatigue and yet we're getting the Marvel comic universe from four different angles... Five if you count Netflix.

I'm not even a big fan of star wars but I'm a fan of scifi and I was highly entertained at the action that's pretty much contained to this series at this point.

I don't give a fuck about marvel movies either. Last one I saw was civil war that was complete and utter balls. Before that, I saw Captain America 2 and that was okay I guess. For all the stuff Disney is buying up, their quality is starting to go down the crapper. I like their tv far more especially Luke Cage and Daredevil season 1. Haven't seen Punisher or Runaways yet. The next marvel thing I'll see is Black Panther. I saw the Infinity War trailer today while at Episode 8 and literally thought to myself,"who still cares about that that dog crap?"

As far Star Wars, ep 8 was so bad and the movie was terrible at making you care about the stakes or get emotionally invested about any of the characters besides a few that I don't see the point in seeing ep 9 besides wanting to see where this all goes.

I'm sorry, but that's not all ALL what I thought leaving the theater.  How can you not care about the stakes when nearly every main character is connected, experiencing failure while at the same time learning from each other? 
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Rey, Ben and Luke contribute so much of each other's growth, development I haven't seen in a popular film in ages.
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The problem of the movie is the overarching story – escaping the FO, trying to deceive them, and learning the ways of the Jedi.  The strength of the movie is how every character realizes the fault in each endeavor and grows individually to contribute to the better whole.

It's a phenomenal character movie burdened by a poorly paced and edited buddy cop movie.

Okay, do we still have to use spoilers? Because if you come in being mad you're spoiled at this point...

I'm on mobile and I'm too lazy to make a tag.






SPOILERS







I'm not invested in shit. What's the point? The rebels are morons. Charging at a line of AT-AT's in a straight line in junk ships with the last of your forces then being like THIS IS A SUICIDE RUN RETREAT. Complete. Fucking. Morons. Yet they want to create empathy after Poe's actions decimate the last of the fleet. There's a chance for the rebels to get out lickin their wombs and it's Finn and his distinguished mentally-challenged black ass killing himself as penance for ruining the movie with his horrible sub plot. But wait! Rose comes save him and thereby ruining any chance of the rebels getting out safe and her excuse? She loves him. What the fuck. So Luke, the only reasonable character, comes and helps via astral projection and force badassery. Cool. Fine. But then the rebels see that their exit is closed off by rocks. Okay. Whatever. Except they have the fucking Princess Poppins herself who saved herself by using the force in the cold of space to get to safety. But they're stuck at the boulders! Omg. Omg! Which she can't move for some convenient plot reason. A band of fuck ups and dumb asses and im supposed to care about their 20 survivors? Lmao.

First Order troops are decimated and are equally as distinguished mentally-challenged and incompetent and has lost serious numbers.

Contrast it with Empire Strikes Back. You WANT to know what the fuck happens next. You've got a outnumbered, outsmarted, outgunned rebel squad fighting against an UNSTOPPABLE Empire. Han turned into a statue. Luke loses a hand and finds his true origin. Yoda was right that he wasn't ready. But Rey already is strong enough to pull off that kind of force voodoo despite jack and shit in training and two lectures from Luke Skywalker. She doesn't even have a servicable training arc. And I'm supposed to be rooting for these people?

In terms of character investment and motivations the movie gets an F for me.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 15, 2017, 11:04:17 PM
I dont undertand this fatigue? Where else are we getting this genre of film? People are talking about Star Wars fatigue and yet we're getting the Marvel comic universe from four different angles... Five if you count Netflix.

I'm not even a big fan of star wars but I'm a fan of scifi and I was highly entertained at the action that's pretty much contained to this series at this point.

Maybe cause Marvel's good?

Marvel is safe – it's not always good. Those movies almost always take zero narrative risks and puts the burden on the actors demonstrating good chemistry to carry a film.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BlueTsunami on December 15, 2017, 11:04:46 PM
I dont undertand this fatigue? Where else are we getting this genre of film? People are talking about Star Wars fatigue and yet we're getting the Marvel comic universe from four different angles... Five if you count Netflix.

I'm not even a big fan of star wars but I'm a fan of scifi and I was highly entertained at the action that's pretty much contained to this series at this point.

Maybe cause Marvel's good?

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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 15, 2017, 11:05:08 PM
whennnnnn willl the fatigue set iN? WHENN??

 :noah

how can you people still want to watch this crap

Uh right now fam. I have no desire to see episode 9. Like, no spoilers or anything, but what's the point? The movie literally gives no reason to be invested in a resolution. And then the side movies will likely remain crap too. I might  rent episode 9 from redbox a year after its release at this point. I'm kind of over it thanks to not only this movie but also Rogue One.

Cool you still saw this movie on day one and lets be real you'll see the next day one as well.

You think you know anything about me? I am clinically depressed and this was the only thing I had to look forward to this week. So yeah I saw it on day one.

How about we bet something that I will it see ep 9 on day one and you can take your passive aggressive faggotry elsewhere

I mean, maybe this is the crux of everything?  Stop placing so many eggs in one basket?  Heal yourself before you try to look to things to spur healing for you?

I just think your perspective is coming from a place not of valid critique but from completely misaligned expectations.  The movie has some flaws but it's plot direction is not one of them.

Its plot direction is dog shit and my expectations were actually zero.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 15, 2017, 11:06:09 PM
Marvel has all those movies?

:sabu

Besides Spider-Man, fuck that.

I just found out Thor Ragnarok existed this past weekend. Lmao

YER SO KEWL

 :badass
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 15, 2017, 11:06:43 PM
I dont undertand this fatigue? Where else are we getting this genre of film? People are talking about Star Wars fatigue and yet we're getting the Marvel comic universe from four different angles... Five if you count Netflix.

I'm not even a big fan of star wars but I'm a fan of scifi and I was highly entertained at the action that's pretty much contained to this series at this point.

Maybe cause Marvel's good?

(https://abload.de/img/tenor2qhu0j.gif) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=tenor2qhu0j.gif)

;)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 15, 2017, 11:07:30 PM
whennnnnn willl the fatigue set iN? WHENN??

 :noah

how can you people still want to watch this crap

Uh right now fam. I have no desire to see episode 9. Like, no spoilers or anything, but what's the point? The movie literally gives no reason to be invested in a resolution. And then the side movies will likely remain crap too. I might  rent episode 9 from redbox a year after its release at this point. I'm kind of over it thanks to not only this movie but also Rogue One.

Cool you still saw this movie on day one and lets be real you'll see the next day one as well.

You think you know anything about me? I am clinically depressed and this was the only thing I had to look forward to this week. So yeah I saw it on day one.

How about we bet something that I will it see ep 9 on day one and you can take your passive aggressive faggotry elsewhere

I mean, maybe this is the crux of everything?  Stop placing so many eggs in one basket?  Heal yourself before you try to look to things to spur healing for you?

I just think your perspective is coming from a place not of valid critique but from completely misaligned expectations.  The movie has some flaws but it's plot direction is not one of them.

Its plot direction is dog shit

I don't agree at all.  Empowering these young, inexperienced heroes with the lessons of failure and the ability to come together after the fact is not at all dog shit...in fact it's the entire conceit of the film.  You're just pissed about things you wanted to happen that didn't.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BlueTsunami on December 15, 2017, 11:07:56 PM
Ragnarok is actually legit. Its what GotG wish it was.

Now if we could get that Heavy Metal remake
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 15, 2017, 11:09:52 PM
Himu, I'll say this as nicely as I can: I think you're deliberately trying to provoke reactions out of people in order to justify further negative thoughts. I don't think it's healthy, and my recommendation for everyone here is to ignore your posts on the subject for the time being. Sorry.

Get your head in a better space, buddy. <3
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 15, 2017, 11:11:21 PM
whennnnnn willl the fatigue set iN? WHENN??

 :noah

how can you people still want to watch this crap

Uh right now fam. I have no desire to see episode 9. Like, no spoilers or anything, but what's the point? The movie literally gives no reason to be invested in a resolution. And then the side movies will likely remain crap too. I might  rent episode 9 from redbox a year after its release at this point. I'm kind of over it thanks to not only this movie but also Rogue One.

Cool you still saw this movie on day one and lets be real you'll see the next day one as well.

You think you know anything about me? I am clinically depressed and this was the only thing I had to look forward to this week. So yeah I saw it on day one.

How about we bet something that I will it see ep 9 on day one and you can take your passive aggressive faggotry elsewhere

I mean, maybe this is the crux of everything?  Stop placing so many eggs in one basket?  Heal yourself before you try to look to things to spur healing for you?

I just think your perspective is coming from a place not of valid critique but from completely misaligned expectations.  The movie has some flaws but it's plot direction is not one of them.

Its plot direction is dog shit

I don't agree at all.  Empowering these young, inexperienced heroes with the lessons of failure and the ability to come together after the fact is not at all dog shit...in fact it's the entire conceit of the film.  You're just pissed about things you wanted to happen that didn't.

Lessons of failure is cool. Except you have to show that they actually learned their lesson within the movie. But that's for ep 9 to show. Hence, no investment. The characters are all complete bumbling dumb asses. The concept of failure and stuff is a good one. But the execution was terrible.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 15, 2017, 11:11:43 PM
Himu, I'll say this as nicely as I can: I think you're deliberately trying to provoke reactions out of people in order to justify further negative thoughts. I don't think it's healthy, and my recommendation for everyone here is to ignore your posts on the subject for the time being. Sorry.

Get your head in a better space, buddy. <3

I'm sorry, we can't take the opinion of a DC stan seriously.

Himu, please proceed.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 15, 2017, 11:12:27 PM
Himu, I'll say this as nicely as I can: I think you're deliberately trying to provoke reactions out of people in order to justify further negative thoughts. I don't think it's healthy, and my recommendation for everyone here is to ignore your posts on the subject for the time being. Sorry.

Get your head in a better space, buddy. <3

I am not trying to provoke shit. This is how I legitimately feel and fuck you considering my valid criticisms of this movie as just "negativity".
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 15, 2017, 11:18:55 PM
Himu, I'll say this as nicely as I can: I think you're deliberately trying to provoke reactions out of people in order to justify further negative thoughts. I don't think it's healthy, and my recommendation for everyone here is to ignore your posts on the subject for the time being. Sorry.

Get your head in a better space, buddy. <3

I am not trying to provoke shit. This is how I legitimately feel and fuck you considering my valid criticisms of this movie as just "negativity".

Thank you for proving my point. Himu, I've seen you lash out over seemingly-trivial shit like this before. I know you don't really mean it. Whenever you want to drop an apology my way, my PM's are always open.

I'm sorry, we can't take the opinion of a DC stan seriously.

Himu, please proceed.

Like my only other post today was reviewing Justice League and giving it a 2/5, lol.

DC Comics = GOAT
DC Films (really, "WB Films") minus Batman Begins, TDK, and Wonder Woman = WOAT
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: kingv on December 15, 2017, 11:22:53 PM
Liked the movie. It was pretty solid. Thematically more interesting than TFA. The world and war still makes no sense and it was disappointing how Snoke was developed, but still pretty god.

That’s my biggest complaint too. It’s not even exactly a problem with TFA or TLJ. They just haven’t ever bridged together the end of ROTJ and ty beginning of TFA at all.

Theoretically, they won at the end of ROTJ, but then like not really but the “not really” is never explained or  Chen really hinted at. Snoke seems super mega force powerful, but again it’s never explains where he came from, how he started the first order, or even really what their goal is.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 15, 2017, 11:25:58 PM
whennnnnn willl the fatigue set iN? WHENN??

 :noah

how can you people still want to watch this crap

Uh right now fam. I have no desire to see episode 9. Like, no spoilers or anything, but what's the point? The movie literally gives no reason to be invested in a resolution. And then the side movies will likely remain crap too. I might  rent episode 9 from redbox a year after its release at this point. I'm kind of over it thanks to not only this movie but also Rogue One.

Cool you still saw this movie on day one and lets be real you'll see the next day one as well.

You think you know anything about me? I am clinically depressed and this was the only thing I had to look forward to this week. So yeah I saw it on day one.

How about we bet something that I will it see ep 9 on day one and you can take your passive aggressive faggotry elsewhere

I mean, maybe this is the crux of everything?  Stop placing so many eggs in one basket?  Heal yourself before you try to look to things to spur healing for you?

I just think your perspective is coming from a place not of valid critique but from completely misaligned expectations.  The movie has some flaws but it's plot direction is not one of them.

Its plot direction is dog shit

I don't agree at all.  Empowering these young, inexperienced heroes with the lessons of failure and the ability to come together after the fact is not at all dog shit...in fact it's the entire conceit of the film.  You're just pissed about things you wanted to happen that didn't.

Lessons of failure is cool. Except you have to show that they actually learned their lesson within the movie. But that's for ep 9 to show. Hence, no investment. The characters are all complete bumbling dumb asses. The concept of failure and stuff is a good one. But the execution was terrible.

I disagree entirely.

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Luke's obvious reconciliation with his past failure with Ben.
Finn's failure as a hero that people claim that he is contrasted with his eventual acceptance of his place as a rebel through his actions with Rose
Adding to that Finn's failure to recognize that fighting the good fight is through fighting for love vs. fighting for revenge
Poe's failure to accept orders and buy-in to the bigger picture leads him to see Luke's broader plan and lead to the Rebel's escape
Rose's failure through trusting Del toro's character due to her personal feelings to avenge her sister, leading her to realize that saving the ones you care for is the worthy fight as opposed to vengeance (which makes the Finn/Rose connection much more important than people are giving it credit for
Holdo's failure as a transparent leader allows for mutiny and her fleeing forces to still be murdered, allowing her to realize her role is to be a kamikaze for the benefit of the galaxy
Rey's failure by submitting to the dark side lead her to realize that she had nothing to gain from it, and become the better person as compared to Ben.
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There's so much to witness and extrapolate from this movie.  There's so much character growth, but people are forgetting it or choosing to ignore it simply because the movie didn't do things the way they wanted.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 15, 2017, 11:26:35 PM
Himu, I'll say this as nicely as I can: I think you're deliberately trying to provoke reactions out of people in order to justify further negative thoughts. I don't think it's healthy, and my recommendation for everyone here is to ignore your posts on the subject for the time being. Sorry.

Get your head in a better space, buddy. <3

I am not trying to provoke shit. This is how I legitimately feel and fuck you considering my valid criticisms of this movie as just "negativity".

Thank you for proving my point. Himu, I've seen you lash out over seemingly-trivial shit like this before. I know you don't really mean it. Whenever you want to drop an apology my way, my PM's are always open.

I'm sorry, we can't take the opinion of a DC stan seriously.

Himu, please proceed.

Like my only other post today was reviewing Justice League and giving it a 2/5, lol.

DC Comics = GOAT
DC Films (really, "WB Films") minus Batman Begins, TDK, and Wonder Woman = WOAT

That is literally what you did. You are dismissing my criticism because of influences outside of Star Wars and it's not really fair. I refuse to apologize for this and feel you are the one who owes an apology.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 15, 2017, 11:28:54 PM
Himu, I'll say this as nicely as I can: I think you're deliberately trying to provoke reactions out of people in order to justify further negative thoughts. I don't think it's healthy, and my recommendation for everyone here is to ignore your posts on the subject for the time being. Sorry.

Get your head in a better space, buddy. <3

I am not trying to provoke shit. This is how I legitimately feel and fuck you considering my valid criticisms of this movie as just "negativity".

Thank you for proving my point. Himu, I've seen you lash out over seemingly-trivial shit like this before. I know you don't really mean it. Whenever you want to drop an apology my way, my PM's are always open.

I'm sorry, we can't take the opinion of a DC stan seriously.

Himu, please proceed.

Like my only other post today was reviewing Justice League and giving it a 2/5, lol.

DC Comics = GOAT
DC Films (really, "WB Films") minus Batman Begins, TDK, and Wonder Woman = WOAT

That is literally what you did. You are dismissing my criticism because of influences outside of Star Wars and it's not really fair. I refuse to apologize for this and feel you are the one who owes an apology.

Personally, I'm not dismissing your criticism, but I do think it's coming from the wrong place.  I actually understand your frustrations, but I simply don't agree with them.  Your problem is your messaging, it's entirely too emotional.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 15, 2017, 11:34:52 PM
Himu, I didn't dismiss your criticism, I pointed out that you're being way more hyperbolic than necessary (and far more so than you usually are in your film criticism.) You're not discussing things with an even hand and seem on the verge of freaking out, which as BrandNew correctly pointed out is due to you putting way too much stock into a mere movie during a very negative and tumultuous time in your life.

But whatever, fuck me for caring about you and hoping you don't go off the deep end.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 15, 2017, 11:36:59 PM
whennnnnn willl the fatigue set iN? WHENN??

 :noah

how can you people still want to watch this crap

Uh right now fam. I have no desire to see episode 9. Like, no spoilers or anything, but what's the point? The movie literally gives no reason to be invested in a resolution. And then the side movies will likely remain crap too. I might  rent episode 9 from redbox a year after its release at this point. I'm kind of over it thanks to not only this movie but also Rogue One.

Cool you still saw this movie on day one and lets be real you'll see the next day one as well.

You think you know anything about me? I am clinically depressed and this was the only thing I had to look forward to this week. So yeah I saw it on day one.

How about we bet something that I will it see ep 9 on day one and you can take your passive aggressive faggotry elsewhere

I mean, maybe this is the crux of everything?  Stop placing so many eggs in one basket?  Heal yourself before you try to look to things to spur healing for you?

I just think your perspective is coming from a place not of valid critique but from completely misaligned expectations.  The movie has some flaws but it's plot direction is not one of them.

Its plot direction is dog shit

I don't agree at all.  Empowering these young, inexperienced heroes with the lessons of failure and the ability to come together after the fact is not at all dog shit...in fact it's the entire conceit of the film.  You're just pissed about things you wanted to happen that didn't.

Lessons of failure is cool. Except you have to show that they actually learned their lesson within the movie. But that's for ep 9 to show. Hence, no investment. The characters are all complete bumbling dumb asses. The concept of failure and stuff is a good one. But the execution was terrible.

I disagree entirely.

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Luke's obvious reconciliation with his past failure with Ben.
Finn's failure as a hero that people claim that he is contrasted with his eventual acceptance of his place as a rebel through his actions with Rose
Adding to that Finn's failure to recognize that fighting the good fight is through fighting for love vs. fighting for revenge
Poe's failure to accept orders and buy-in to the bigger picture leads him to see Luke's broader plan and lead to the Rebel's escape
Rose's failure through trusting Del toro's character due to her personal feelings to avenge her sister, leading her to realize that saving the ones you care for is the worthy fight as opposed to vengeance (which makes the Finn/Rose connection much more important than people are giving it credit for
Holdo's failure as a transparent leader allows for mutiny and her fleeing forces to still be murdered, allowing her to realize her role is to be a kamikaze for the benefit of the galaxy
Rey's failure by submitting to the dark side lead her to realize that she had nothing to gain from it, and become the better person as compared to Ben.
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There's so much to witness and extrapolate from this movie.  There's so much character growth, but people are forgetting it or choosing to ignore it simply because the movie didn't do things the way they wanted.

-Luke's reconciliation with his failure is the only compelling storyline for me. Him repeating it again with Rey was great.
-Finn's failure isn't compelling and arguing that his story is based around fighting for love vs revenge makes no sense. Where did Finn ever fight for revenge? That was Rose's story. This was never within the story and when he did fight it was generally self defense (vs Phasma) or trying to save the rebels (the cannon).
-Poe's failure is one endless fuck up after another.
- Rose's failure was not in trusting Del Toro. For all intents and purposes the dude got them off that planet and they would have died in the first place.
- Holdo's failure is being a poor leader and explaining in 30 seconds about the plan. But even then, most of that was again on Poe.
- Rey's failure to submitting to the dark side? Her trip in the hole was barely a blip and hardly compelling dark side magic. She came out a better person without putting in the work unlike Luke.

I realize the movie is about failure. Everyone fails. That's all they do. Even the bad guys. But it gets to a point where the messaging is poor and comical. The concept was great. The execution was really, really poor.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 15, 2017, 11:37:42 PM
and I completely disagree.  opinions.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on December 15, 2017, 11:50:53 PM
the defence of TFA's many holes is "just unplug your brain, it's a star wars film" which is fairly legitmate all told.

i preferred TLJ to TFA, but that excuse no longer holds true for it. it actively wants to provoke and engage the viewer on a level beyond popcorn entertainment, but attempts it through a vehicle that has no sincerity or narrative authenticity.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 15, 2017, 11:51:42 PM
So this is completely separate from how we even started this. Which was my argument that the movie failed to make you invested enough to even care about episode 9. I feel that way. It is not hyperbole. How do you think the ending gave enough to want to give a fuck about episode 9?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 15, 2017, 11:57:49 PM
So this is completely separate from how we even started this. Which was my argument that the movie failed to make you invested enough to even care about episode 9. I feel that way. It is not hyperbole. How do you think the ending gave enough to want to give a fuck about episode 9?

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I want to see how Rey and Ben resolve their conflict
I want to see how Rose and Finn interact and grow together
I want to see how Luke's ghost (or perhaps he's still alive?) tries to teach Rey and/or Ben
I want to see how the "spark" that Luke and the rebel ignited in the last scene permeates to outside planets to see if the resistance grows.
I want to see if the Knights of Ren come back
I want to see if Kylo was simply lying to Rey about her parents
I want to see how Poe becomes a leader and not a trigger happy fool
I want to see how the First Order spreads their dominance under a poor leader
I want to see how the awakening of hope...the legends that are being passed on...I want to see how the inspires folks all around the galaxy to join in on the fight.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2017, 12:09:18 AM
- Rey and Ben's conflict is kind of silly. We've seen from this movie and TFA that Kylo Ren is incompetent and Snoke was right about him. He's not a compelling villain. And now that he's THE villain leader it gives less to be excited about.
-I don't care about Rose and Finn. I found their relationship at the end forced.  Sure, they could develop it further in 9 but 8 doesn't do much to sell you on it, and therefore I do not care.
- Luke's ghost training Rey would be cool but since they didn't bother to train her this movie, I doubt they will in 9, so I don't really care about Luke's ghost. He'll show up, say something poignant, and then go fuck 72 virgins in Jedi heaven.
- The "spark" wasn't done in a fulfilling manner. Asian chick shows up, says we're from the Resistance, they let em steal some cat horses. Since they let them go once they revealed they're a part of the Resistance, the spark was already there. Therefore, who gives a shit.
-The Knights of Ren was one of many loose threads from TFA the movie didn't address because Rian basically said,"fuck you JJ". You could interpret  the students that Kylo took with him as the Knights of Ren. You could also interpret them as the guards in the throne room. As it is, the Knights are so underdeveloped they're also in "who gives a shit?" category.
-I agree that Kylo about wanting to see if  Kylo lied about Rey's parents, but in the scene he deliberately tells her she already knows the truth - that they're nobodies. I'm not sure Rey has to have some special blood line and if she does  in order to be a compelling character, that says a lot about Star Wars' limited characterization.
-Poe should be executed for his actions in TLJ.
-"I want to see how the First Order spreads their dominance under a poor leader" That's a damn good one actually. I'd like to know that too.
-I don't really care about the last thing because that's obvious the direction they'll go in.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 16, 2017, 12:12:22 AM
Himu- let me say, I respect your opinion and you're entitled to it.

But you realize at this point you're basically just arguing about your opinions with people. It's entirely subjective, we all have our own takes, and it's not gonna change shit.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2017, 12:13:54 AM
idk I'm frustrated. I'm frustrated that a movie I was really excited about for two years utterly disappointed me when I went in with no expectations and even a media blackout. I don't know how to express it any other way. I don't think I'll change any minds. I'm not a dumbass like Rey.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2017, 12:34:23 AM
I want to share my thoughts too...

Whatever. I'm always wrong. You're right. Fuck it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Freyj on December 16, 2017, 12:37:59 AM
I’d be alright if Rose was just never mentioned again. I’m left with no reason to care about that character and plenty of reason to not want her dragging other characters into boring misadventures.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on December 16, 2017, 01:06:10 AM
Can't believe people get so worked up over a disney movie smh  :smug
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Makai on December 16, 2017, 01:37:01 AM
Straight ISIS propaganda.

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Three rebel suicide bombers, and then it ends on, "you, too, can join the rebels"
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 16, 2017, 01:40:30 AM
Honestly, walking out, I don’t even see how this was divisive. It was just another SW movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Bore Expert on December 16, 2017, 02:15:45 AM
Massive spoilers


It’s 2017 and we’re just supposed to be ok with Chewbacca walking around without pants on during the whole movie? I understand the lore and the nuance but I’m getting sick of this Male Wookie Privilege. Maybe it’s time to start an online petition.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 16, 2017, 02:17:39 AM
Right, Star Wars was never anything but sci-fi schlock, that was its entire inspiration. Flash Gordon.

The Expanded Universe, yes, a lot of that went in some very unique directions because it had the space to breathe and basically ditch everything about Star Wars except the basic concepts/races/etc. and even most of that was straight garbage. I mean, we talk about two VIDEO GAMES as some of the best EU storytelling ffs lol.

What the OT pulled off was telling a story, though hardly an original one, about a small band of characters and their adventures, while hinting at a larger world, until ESB upends the entire table and forces Jedi to start reaching ludicrous speeds for a conclusion that neither of the prior two films, nor even the first half of Jedi justify. The New Trilogy so far is working off Jedi's model more than the others.

The Prequels went in the entire opposite direction, galaxy altering events were happening all over and Lucas was jamming Obi-Wan and Anakin and Natalie Portman into the center of them. Because prophecy.

My half seriousness about TPM, and ultimately Palpatine's entire plot since his scheming is actually best shown in TPM considering where the film starts regarding all the pieces he has to move, being the best, is it's the actual Star Wars film where there is a full on plot at work. As much as Lucas wanted the Prequels to be about Anakin that's outright trash and ultimately irrelevant, it's really about Palpatine's manipulation of the entire galaxy to not only turn the entire galactic government over to his control, but wipe out the Jedi after millennia with none of them even knowing it's a Sith plot until the last film at which point it's too late. Anakin doesn't even truly fall under Palpatine's thrall until the back third of ROTS and even Palpatine had to be surprised as fuck at how he pulled it off.

The OT doesn't have any of this. It has better actors, better dialogue, better direction, better pacing, better action, etc. but until Lucas decided "the twist" it didn't have anything to hold it together except the character relationships. (Which it upends for Jedi.) The NT so far doesn't have much of any of it either. We're two thirds of a way through the story now and what exactly has been accomplished that the notion of Star Wars as a fantasy epic with a vital universe is backed by? Even our two key characters are at the same point they were at the end of TFA. You could even argue this film spent much of its run time trying to subvert where TFA left them and what we'd expect, only to suddenly revert the entire thing down the stretch. (This is not to mention what they've done with the universe itself.)

The reason the Thrawn Trilogy was/is so praised was not that it's brilliantly written, it's not significantly better than most licensed novels of the era, and even as "Star Wars" it's a poor sequel to Jedi as Lucas hadn't yet actually decided all that shit about how the force works or what Luke's end goal was/the state of the Sith/etc. It's that it took the universe status, and the character status, in the wake of Jedi, and built logically off of it. The Empire had not suddenly collapsed, it was just heavily weakened, the Rebels weren't victors, most of the galaxy was taking the advantage of being freed to be Non-Aligned, much of the time is spent by Leia and Empire equivalents at propping up alliances or neutrality agreements, and both sides are looking for an advantage in the continued war. Han doesn't run off as a smuggler because he's now invested in these friends, Luke is trying to figure out his place but recognizes the advantage of a Jedi being around, etc. I'm going to really work off my memory here so I could get major chunks of this wrong, or be combing it with another book or something. The trilogy's actual hook is Thrawn himself, he's thrust into a role of intergalactic significance and progresses to realize what that means. When he's placed in the position to decide regarding the Clone War armada they come across and most of the one book is spent with both sides fighting over, it's one of the few times that Star Wars (and remember, Thrawn came out when the EU did not effectively exist, it started it, so along with the films and a few other novels and the Christmas Special, this was Star Wars) actually stops and asks moral questions about character actions. Thrawn recognizes the evil of the Late Empire, but also it's importance prior in providing a form of Galactic Order, as well as the Clone War Armada being potentially a greater evil than the continued sparring with the Rebels. (The book is sketchy on the events of the Clone Wars because I know a few people here remember that before the Prequels actually showed the damn thing it was considered this horrific monstrous war, and the book works off that premise that activating the ships may unleash an old terror. And the suggestion that the Empire may have been necessary to simply end it, not because it was a setup by Palpatine, but because it was the only way to end the horror.)

TFA basically said "so like, it's kinda like that being 30 years later, but i dunno how to do it so lol whatever we got a RESISTANCE and a FIRST ORDER and boy it sure looks like star wars tho huh u see some of them vistas"
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 16, 2017, 02:18:25 AM
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on December 16, 2017, 02:21:49 AM
still disappoint at chewy being hung like a hamster
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on December 16, 2017, 02:35:50 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09tTlVQ3VfY
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 16, 2017, 02:36:15 AM
I saw Ragnarok because I thought it was going to be cool, but the generic Asgard shit
This has been the main thing that has driven me up the wall regarding the Thor films. The only cool part of Thor is Asgard shit and they don't even really use it. I would have liked Ragnarok more if it was just Planet Thor ft. Hulk and Loki.

Then they rush back to stop Hela. Before realizing, oh wait, they should trigger Ragnarok to do so. Which is a literal deus ex machina for the plot. And Hela's wasted in all of this to where her flashbacks are the cool part.

Ragnarok should just have been Hela's goal since her other goal was killing everyone in Asgard?, and they fail to get back in time and she's triggered it which dumps them in space or whatever. The standard movie going audience, including probably hardcore MCU fans, wouldn't have known that Ragnarok is a repeating cycle of death and rebirth and triggering it is actually not a problem. So it would have seemed like this DARK THANOS RELATED ending that gets compared to ESB because nobody can name other cliffhanger film in nerdom apparently.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tokyosandblaster on December 16, 2017, 04:53:34 AM
Right, Star Wars was never anything but sci-fi schlock, that was its entire inspiration. Flash Gordon.

The Expanded Universe, yes, a lot of that went in some very unique directions because it had the space to breathe and basically ditch everything about Star Wars except the basic concepts/races/etc. and even most of that was straight garbage. I mean, we talk about two VIDEO GAMES as some of the best EU storytelling ffs lol.

What the OT pulled off was telling a story, though hardly an original one, about a small band of characters and their adventures, while hinting at a larger world, until ESB upends the entire table and forces Jedi to start reaching ludicrous speeds for a conclusion that neither of the prior two films, nor even the first half of Jedi justify. The New Trilogy so far is working off Jedi's model more than the others.

The Prequels went in the entire opposite direction, galaxy altering events were happening all over and Lucas was jamming Obi-Wan and Anakin and Natalie Portman into the center of them. Because prophecy.

My half seriousness about TPM, and ultimately Palpatine's entire plot since his scheming is actually best shown in TPM considering where the film starts regarding all the pieces he has to move, being the best, is it's the actual Star Wars film where there is a full on plot at work. As much as Lucas wanted the Prequels to be about Anakin that's outright trash and ultimately irrelevant, it's really about Palpatine's manipulation of the entire galaxy to not only turn the entire galactic government over to his control, but wipe out the Jedi after millennia with none of them even knowing it's a Sith plot until the last film at which point it's too late. Anakin doesn't even truly fall under Palpatine's thrall until the back third of ROTS and even Palpatine had to be surprised as fuck at how he pulled it off.

The OT doesn't have any of this. It has better actors, better dialogue, better direction, better pacing, better action, etc. but until Lucas decided "the twist" it didn't have anything to hold it together except the character relationships. (Which it upends for Jedi.) The NT so far doesn't have much of any of it either. We're two thirds of a way through the story now and what exactly has been accomplished that the notion of Star Wars as a fantasy epic with a vital universe is backed by? Even our two key characters are at the same point they were at the end of TFA. You could even argue this film spent much of its run time trying to subvert where TFA left them and what we'd expect, only to suddenly revert the entire thing down the stretch. (This is not to mention what they've done with the universe itself.)

The reason the Thrawn Trilogy was/is so praised was not that it's brilliantly written, it's not significantly better than most licensed novels of the era, and even as "Star Wars" it's a poor sequel to Jedi as Lucas hadn't yet actually decided all that shit about how the force works or what Luke's end goal was/the state of the Sith/etc. It's that it took the universe status, and the character status, in the wake of Jedi, and built logically off of it. The Empire had not suddenly collapsed, it was just heavily weakened, the Rebels weren't victors, most of the galaxy was taking the advantage of being freed to be Non-Aligned, much of the time is spent by Leia and Empire equivalents at propping up alliances or neutrality agreements, and both sides are looking for an advantage in the continued war. Han doesn't run off as a smuggler because he's now invested in these friends, Luke is trying to figure out his place but recognizes the advantage of a Jedi being around, etc. I'm going to really work off my memory here so I could get major chunks of this wrong, or be combing it with another book or something. The trilogy's actual hook is Thrawn himself, he's thrust into a role of intergalactic significance and progresses to realize what that means. When he's placed in the position to decide regarding the Clone War armada they come across and most of the one book is spent with both sides fighting over, it's one of the few times that Star Wars (and remember, Thrawn came out when the EU did not effectively exist, it started it, so along with the films and a few other novels and the Christmas Special, this was Star Wars) actually stops and asks moral questions about character actions. Thrawn recognizes the evil of the Late Empire, but also it's importance prior in providing a form of Galactic Order, as well as the Clone War Armada being potentially a greater evil than the continued sparring with the Rebels. (The book is sketchy on the events of the Clone Wars because I know a few people here remember that before the Prequels actually showed the damn thing it was considered this horrific monstrous war, and the book works off that premise that activating the ships may unleash an old terror. And the suggestion that the Empire may have been necessary to simply end it, not because it was a setup by Palpatine, but because it was the only way to end the horror.)

TFA basically said "so like, it's kinda like that being 30 years later, but i dunno how to do it so lol whatever we got a RESISTANCE and a FIRST ORDER and boy it sure looks like star wars tho huh u see some of them vistas"
I started reading this, and then I gave up.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thehunter116 on December 16, 2017, 05:08:44 AM
I seriously don't know what movie some of ya'll watched.

That was equal to or better than ESB. And some poeple think this is worse than PT movies  :donot :hhh :foodcourt
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 16, 2017, 05:12:29 AM
Right, Star Wars was never anything but sci-fi schlock, that was its entire inspiration. Flash Gordon.

The Expanded Universe, yes, a lot of that went in some very unique directions because it had the space to breathe and basically ditch everything about Star Wars except the basic concepts/races/etc. and even most of that was straight garbage. I mean, we talk about two VIDEO GAMES as some of the best EU storytelling ffs lol.

What the OT pulled off was telling a story, though hardly an original one, about a small band of characters and their adventures, while hinting at a larger world, until ESB upends the entire table and forces Jedi to start reaching ludicrous speeds for a conclusion that neither of the prior two films, nor even the first half of Jedi justify. The New Trilogy so far is working off Jedi's model more than the others.

The Prequels went in the entire opposite direction, galaxy altering events were happening all over and Lucas was jamming Obi-Wan and Anakin and Natalie Portman into the center of them. Because prophecy.

My half seriousness about TPM, and ultimately Palpatine's entire plot since his scheming is actually best shown in TPM considering where the film starts regarding all the pieces he has to move, being the best, is it's the actual Star Wars film where there is a full on plot at work. As much as Lucas wanted the Prequels to be about Anakin that's outright trash and ultimately irrelevant, it's really about Palpatine's manipulation of the entire galaxy to not only turn the entire galactic government over to his control, but wipe out the Jedi after millennia with none of them even knowing it's a Sith plot until the last film at which point it's too late. Anakin doesn't even truly fall under Palpatine's thrall until the back third of ROTS and even Palpatine had to be surprised as fuck at how he pulled it off.

The OT doesn't have any of this. It has better actors, better dialogue, better direction, better pacing, better action, etc. but until Lucas decided "the twist" it didn't have anything to hold it together except the character relationships. (Which it upends for Jedi.) The NT so far doesn't have much of any of it either. We're two thirds of a way through the story now and what exactly has been accomplished that the notion of Star Wars as a fantasy epic with a vital universe is backed by? Even our two key characters are at the same point they were at the end of TFA. You could even argue this film spent much of its run time trying to subvert where TFA left them and what we'd expect, only to suddenly revert the entire thing down the stretch. (This is not to mention what they've done with the universe itself.)

The reason the Thrawn Trilogy was/is so praised was not that it's brilliantly written, it's not significantly better than most licensed novels of the era, and even as "Star Wars" it's a poor sequel to Jedi as Lucas hadn't yet actually decided all that shit about how the force works or what Luke's end goal was/the state of the Sith/etc. It's that it took the universe status, and the character status, in the wake of Jedi, and built logically off of it. The Empire had not suddenly collapsed, it was just heavily weakened, the Rebels weren't victors, most of the galaxy was taking the advantage of being freed to be Non-Aligned, much of the time is spent by Leia and Empire equivalents at propping up alliances or neutrality agreements, and both sides are looking for an advantage in the continued war. Han doesn't run off as a smuggler because he's now invested in these friends, Luke is trying to figure out his place but recognizes the advantage of a Jedi being around, etc. I'm going to really work off my memory here so I could get major chunks of this wrong, or be combing it with another book or something. The trilogy's actual hook is Thrawn himself, he's thrust into a role of intergalactic significance and progresses to realize what that means. When he's placed in the position to decide regarding the Clone War armada they come across and most of the one book is spent with both sides fighting over, it's one of the few times that Star Wars (and remember, Thrawn came out when the EU did not effectively exist, it started it, so along with the films and a few other novels and the Christmas Special, this was Star Wars) actually stops and asks moral questions about character actions. Thrawn recognizes the evil of the Late Empire, but also it's importance prior in providing a form of Galactic Order, as well as the Clone War Armada being potentially a greater evil than the continued sparring with the Rebels. (The book is sketchy on the events of the Clone Wars because I know a few people here remember that before the Prequels actually showed the damn thing it was considered this horrific monstrous war, and the book works off that premise that activating the ships may unleash an old terror. And the suggestion that the Empire may have been necessary to simply end it, not because it was a setup by Palpatine, but because it was the only way to end the horror.)

TFA basically said "so like, it's kinda like that being 30 years later, but i dunno how to do it so lol whatever we got a RESISTANCE and a FIRST ORDER and boy it sure looks like star wars tho huh u see some of them vistas"
I started reading this, and then I gave up.
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/293/802/585.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thehunter116 on December 16, 2017, 05:22:54 AM
Honestly, walking out, I don’t even see how this was divisive. It was just another SW movie.

Because nerds got their feels hurt that the characters and story beats weren't exactly as they planned in their head and now they're doing a Simpson comic book guy impersonation.

There is some legit criticism but this movie can hang with the OT and Empire; I think it's even better.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 16, 2017, 05:51:35 AM
Honestly, walking out, I don’t even see how this was divisive. It was just another SW movie.

Because nerds got their feels hurt that the characters and story beats weren't exactly as they planned in their head and now they're doing a Simpson comic book guy impersonation.

There is some legit criticism but this movie can hang with the OT and Empire; I think it's even better.

I’m not sure I agree with your last point. I enjoyed this movie, but it feels far too much in debt to modern blockbusters. I guess I’ll have to see how it ages, especially after seeing the final episode.

My biggest issues...

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1. We’re never going to get an explanation on Snoke. To do it after his death would be anticlimactic. I did enjoy the “kill the big bad in the middle” bit, but now the mystery of who Snoke was is likely impossible to satisfactorily address. I’m sure there will be a shitty comic book.

2. Why would Poe let BB8 go with Finn and Rose on their secret mission when he knew there was a significant chance he might have to fly to defend the Resistance?

3. The Leia in space scene was terrible. We’ve never seen her use force powers before. What a cheesy time to show them. This also could have been easily written around. Worst scene in the movie.

4. Biggest sin: Why waste Laura Dern on this shitty role without any personality? She’s one of the best actresses on the planet.

5. The score is so recycled and so reverent to the original score that I can’t even tell what’s new music anymore. It’s a constant barrage of distinctly Star Wars-y brass, but at this point, it’s so rote. Please be more adventurous with the music.

6. A lot could have been chopped from that Finn and Rose plot.  I’m not even sure why the Rose character was necessary to create. Probably a more pointless Rose than even that of MGS2. Hopefully she dies early in the next movie. She’s not even good looking. She’s fucking hideous.

7. Maybe a cheat, or insensitive, but they should’ve used the Leia fake out death to kill her. It’s going to feel shitty killing her offscreen immediately after she’s recovered from a life-threatening injury in the next movie.

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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on December 16, 2017, 05:52:33 AM
That was equal to or better than ESB.

No offence meant but I must say I chuckle when I read this (as it has been casually thrown in several places). Not because it cannot be true (I guess it can, most certainly on the plane of personal enjoyment), mind you. However, justified or not, The Empire Strikes Back has been vindicated through decades as a classic. It is too early to have any kind of reasonable comparison... It that is even possible or meaningful. "Best thriller since M" or "Better or equal than 2001" would be ridiculous if penned as is and without any development by anyone serious. I guess it makes slight sense within the context of a commodified franchise which by definition is following a by the numbers formula ? Honestly getting the feeling some fans are trying to validate hype through self persuasion.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: hungrynoob on December 16, 2017, 06:06:24 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09tTlVQ3VfY

I cant watch this one, but their no spoilers vid was a body language reading goldmine. I was stoned watching last night laughing my ass off.

tl;dr - joe is a fucking asshole.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 16, 2017, 10:29:38 AM
ESB remains the one closest to what the entire series was originally supposed to be an homage to, scifi serial cliffhangers of the 1930s and 1940s.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2017, 10:47:53 AM
That was equal to or better than ESB.

:lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2017, 10:49:35 AM
Honestly, walking out, I don’t even see how this was divisive. It was just another SW movie.

Because nerds got their feels hurt that the characters and story beats weren't exactly as they planned in their head and now they're doing a Simpson comic book guy impersonation.

There is some legit criticism but this movie can hang with the OT and Empire; I think it's even better.

Don't come here with that reset era 20-something faggotry. Talking about people with whatever expectations. Nah. Movie has terrible and baffling storytelling decisions.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 16, 2017, 10:51:40 AM
This new series? Wasted opportunity, and gives off the distinct impression of a deliberate and pointlessly petty exercise in tearing down the old characters in an effort to make the new ones look better. I'm no big Star Wars fan, even though I was the prime target age during the OT ( was way more of a superhero comics and monster/horror movie fan). I can still pick up on it, though, this sort of underlying "Those original people are old and busted trash, these new guys are where it's at" message. But they're not. They're all blank cyphers, just as wooden and lifeless as any of the prequel characters.  I enjoyed the original movies for the goofy adventure series they were. Everything since has been an attempt to make "films of importance," when they'd really be much better off accepting that it's all just nonsensical pop filth and running with it. The biggest problem with Star Wars is that it's always been a patchwork of constant retcons in an attempt to build some sort of foundation to a meaningful universe, when the source film was nothing more than "I think it would be pretty cool to remake The Hidden Fortress but with Flash Gordon characters." It was clearly never intended to be more than one movie with a distinct ending, not some endless movie franchise.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2017, 10:58:40 AM
The new series is just a cash grab. These movies - sans TFA - have zero heart and aren't any different from any other modern family film. They aren't Star Wars.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 16, 2017, 11:06:07 AM
I really don’t agree, I really loved the last few star wars movies  :'(
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2017, 11:09:48 AM
Whether you liked them or not, here's a scene with two characters riding a horse through glass. Like every family adventure movie! Here's out of place jokes, like every family movie! Some alien putting coins in BB-8 and and BB-8 conveniently uses them as an automatic weapon! Just like my favorite family adventure movies!

The tone is not Star Wars.

Actually, scratch that. It is. The tone is akin to prequel Star Wars.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 16, 2017, 11:10:40 AM
I mean, that's cool, dude. I'm not trying to dog out anyone who enjoys them, even if I can't understand why.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: HardcoreRetro on December 16, 2017, 11:10:57 AM
Wow, look at all these goddang spoilers.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mandark on December 16, 2017, 11:12:30 AM
This new series? Wasted opportunity, and gives off the distinct impression of a deliberate and pointlessly petty exercise in tearing down the old characters in an effort to make the new ones look better.

It's weird, cause I got the opposite feeling: that they were leaning into the hero worship aspect for the old folks.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 16, 2017, 11:18:33 AM
Luke - hermit fuckup who's mostly responsible for the creation of Darth Tantrum. Han - colossal failure as a husband and father, still trying to play the rogue at an advanced age. Leia - buries her motherly grief by being a workaholic, apparently has no control over her underlings. I'm not seeing the hero worship.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mandark on December 16, 2017, 11:26:17 AM
Mostly the way they had the younger characters react to them. "You're the Han Solo?" etc. Also felt like a way to get the audience to relate to the new characters by having them act like fans.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 16, 2017, 11:27:55 AM
I can see that, sure. But then they give them nothing to look up to :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BlueTsunami on December 16, 2017, 11:31:09 AM
I’d be alright if Rose was just never mentioned again. I’m left with no reason to care about that character and plenty of reason to not want her dragging other characters into boring misadventures.

Hopefully what she did rendered her the
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Terri Schiavo of the Star Wars Universe

We're gonna have a Finn arc where he's fighting his own personal war... to keep the medically assisted life support going. Still more interesting than what we've gotten from him so far
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Trurl on December 16, 2017, 11:40:19 AM
I was thoroughly entertained the whole time but afterwards I just want to complain. What's wrong with me?

The scene with the children at the end was great on some levels, but viewed with even the tiniest bit of cynicism it also felt gross. It was as if Disney was saying that you can expect great things from your children if you steep them in Starwars.

Was that beast that Luke milked a metaphor for the franchise?

 What was with Snoke talking about destroying an island?  This is Star Wars where we deal in planets.  It reminded me of Dr. Evil demanding a million dollars in the first Austin Powers.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mandark on December 16, 2017, 11:48:11 AM
Han and Luke both got similar arcs: they're grizzled old dudes who left the fight when shit went bad and they couldn't handle it emotionally, but deep down they care enough to get pulled back in and have one final moment of doing something badass again. Which might be a bit cliche (it's like half of Humphrey Bogart's roles now I think of it) but it's not a bad way to handle iconic senior citizens in an action movie.

I didn't hate this one, but it feels like they're trying to do a bunch of incompatible stuff. Like Eel and benji said, they're trying to string out a longer narrative and do world-building on what was a self-contained romp that was never meant to support all this.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thehunter116 on December 16, 2017, 12:06:52 PM
Honestly, walking out, I don’t even see how this was divisive. It was just another SW movie.

Because nerds got their feels hurt that the characters and story beats weren't exactly as they planned in their head and now they're doing a Simpson comic book guy impersonation.

There is some legit criticism but this movie can hang with the OT and Empire; I think it's even better.

Whether you liked them or not, here's a scene with two characters riding a horse through glass. Like every family adventure movie! Here's out of place jokes, like every family movie! Some alien putting coins in BB-8 and and BB-8 conveniently uses them as an automatic weapon! Just like my favorite family adventure movies!

The tone is not Star Wars.

Actually, scratch that. It is. The tone is akin to prequel Star Wars.
Don't come here with that reset era 20-something faggotry. Talking about people with whatever expectations. Nah. Movie has terrible and baffling storytelling decisions.

Someone is getting hit with dem nostalgia glasses.

ESB is full of humor, and what baffling plot decisions do you speak of? That Rian had the audacity to do something new and interesting with the story?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2017, 12:50:22 PM
Honestly, walking out, I don’t even see how this was divisive. It was just another SW movie.

Because nerds got their feels hurt that the characters and story beats weren't exactly as they planned in their head and now they're doing a Simpson comic book guy impersonation.

There is some legit criticism but this movie can hang with the OT and Empire; I think it's even better.

Whether you liked them or not, here's a scene with two characters riding a horse through glass. Like every family adventure movie! Here's out of place jokes, like every family movie! Some alien putting coins in BB-8 and and BB-8 conveniently uses them as an automatic weapon! Just like my favorite family adventure movies!

The tone is not Star Wars.

Actually, scratch that. It is. The tone is akin to prequel Star Wars.
Don't come here with that reset era 20-something faggotry. Talking about people with whatever expectations. Nah. Movie has terrible and baffling storytelling decisions.

Someone is getting hit with dem nostalgia glasses.

ESB is full of humor, and what baffling plot decisions do you speak of? That Rian had the audacity to do something new and interesting with the story?

Good lord.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Trurl on December 16, 2017, 01:24:39 PM
" Wouldn’t want to get into details or spoilers about Blade Runner 2049 here, but there’s something to be said about how Snoke is (or isn’t) fleshed out compared with Niander Wallace. Both evoking characters from the older films."

https://www.resetera.com/posts/2204767/

This is an interesting comparison.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Trurl on December 16, 2017, 01:49:28 PM
This trilogy needs more romance.  They laid some groundwork with Finn and Poe in TFA but now it's nothing. 
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on December 16, 2017, 01:56:53 PM
This franchise sucks.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2017, 02:06:35 PM
Cindi, have you ever considered taking a week off from the internet  :doge

Highly considering it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 16, 2017, 02:39:40 PM
damn, I don't think I've ever encountered such a divide between critics and fans.

I kinda love it.

Critics are being paid, fans aren't  :doge

will watch in late January or February, like a Real Adult.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 16, 2017, 02:54:59 PM
damn, I don't think I've ever encountered such a divide between critics and fans.

I kinda love it.

Critics are being paid, fans aren't  :doge

will watch in late January or February, like a Real Adult.

I guess...
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 16, 2017, 03:08:14 PM
will watch in late January or February, like a Real Adult.

:badass
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 16, 2017, 03:32:07 PM
I got TFA spoiled within like a couple days of it's release. So far I haven't run into anything. Then again I also haven't played a lot of multiplayer games recently; TFA was spoiled in chat while I played Wolfenstein ET.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 16, 2017, 04:07:24 PM
I just want one spoiler: is Rey a Skywalker or related to Obi Wan? Tired of that shit.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Trurl on December 16, 2017, 04:09:15 PM
The movie ends in cliffhanger as we all wait on the results of a paternity test
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2017, 04:11:13 PM
I just want one spoiler: is Rey a Skywalker or related to Obi Wan? Tired of that shit.

Nope. She's a nobody.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on December 16, 2017, 04:15:22 PM
she's a hut
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2017, 04:18:02 PM
Honestly, walking out, I don’t even see how this was divisive. It was just another SW movie.

It really isn't.

Perfect post at Reset.

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this movie proves once and for all that star wars has no established tone or style and means pretty much nothing so you can have a big weird mix of battlestar galactica, the fifth element, the expanse, and anime, and as long as it has the star wars ships, weapons and characters, literally anything can happen because there is no story to derail and people will cheer when they see the lightsaber

Another reason Trek > Wars
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: demi on December 16, 2017, 04:18:52 PM
When are they going to make Jedi Knight 4?

Kyle Katarn > Luke Skywalker
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BlueTsunami on December 16, 2017, 04:40:19 PM
I just want one spoiler: is Rey a Skywalker or related to Obi Wan? Tired of that shit.

Intergalactic dumpster baby
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on December 16, 2017, 06:39:02 PM
Saw it. Loved it. :rejoice
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ZombieSupaStar on December 16, 2017, 07:06:28 PM
read the spoilers and am like.... eh? I ill see it in a month.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thisismyusername on December 16, 2017, 07:09:14 PM
This franchise sucks.

(https://i.imgur.com/LAy8t.gif)

Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast is the only good thing to come from the series.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Huff on December 16, 2017, 08:14:20 PM
Snoak killed dumbledoor
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Bebpo on December 16, 2017, 08:27:58 PM
Thought it was the best Star Wars film since Empire, was hoping it'd be a little more artsy and fuck you mainstream Star Wars audience since it was Johnson and I heard the general audience score was down while critic score was up, but all he added was a bit more grey area depth which I expect Abrams to completely throw out again for Ep9.

Best parts were all the Rey/Ren scenes.

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Only thing it was missing was Finn doing some force stuff, since he used the lightsaber in the last one which sorta hinted he was gonna become a force user by the end of the trilogy as well, which would be cool.
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But I'm not a big SW fan or anything. Movie was about a B+ to me.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bork on December 16, 2017, 08:28:01 PM
Saw it tonight and...enjoyed it.  I'm not a big Star Wars fan and I liked some of the humorous dialogue that was thrown in (the beginning with Poe and the First Order General  :lol :rofl) and character development.  The Jedi stuff was by far the weakest part of the movie and I liked all the scenes with everyone else way, way more.  I expect that a lot of Star Wars fanboys will probably hate a lot of the stuff in this film, but I was glad to see some things play out unexpectedly and I hope this really leads to things changing up in the next movie.

This movie also really did feel like two films mashed together.  Was surprised how much longer it kept going towards the end.  There were several points where it could have ended and things would have been fine...and it going.  And going.  And going.  :lol

Spoiler talk:
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I don't get killing Snoke off (plus he went out like a bitch after demonstrating such insane power), but the way this movie played out versus TFA makes me think that someone really decided to change the story up and go in a different direction.
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The new series is just a cash grab.

So just like the other movies?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2017, 08:29:47 PM
The other movies at least had passion in them.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bork on December 16, 2017, 08:31:11 PM
The other movies at least had passion in them.

The Force Awakens, Rogue One, And The Last Jedi shit all over the prequel trilogy in every way possible.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2017, 08:33:54 PM
Rogue One and especially Last Jedi were prequel status to me. At least George was passionate about inserting weird world building.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bork on December 16, 2017, 08:35:00 PM
Rogue One and especially Last Jedi were prequel status to me. At least George was passionate about inserting weird world building.

George was passionate about merchandising and making as much money as he possibly could from that shit.  It was all about the toys and stuff...come on.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2017, 08:39:52 PM
They have a Star Wars movie every year the next four years. :beli George was a slut for merchandising but not the way Disney is. I'm not sure how that's debatable.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thehunter116 on December 16, 2017, 08:42:16 PM
Honestly, walking out, I don’t even see how this was divisive. It was just another SW movie.

It really isn't.

Perfect post at Reset.

Quote
this movie proves once and for all that star wars has no established tone or style and means pretty much nothing so you can have a big weird mix of battlestar galactica, the fifth element, the expanse, and anime, and as long as it has the star wars ships, weapons and characters, literally anything can happen because there is no story to derail and people will cheer when they see the lightsaber

Another reason Trek > Wars

So exactly as I said...they did something you didn't like so therefor it's bad. Believe it or not just saying other sci-fi series without realizing what actually makes them what they are (hint, it's story, characters and settings; not stupid things like "tone" and "feels") :doge

You're welcome to say you don't like it but you gonna be hyperbolic and dramatic be prepared for counter snark.  :ufup
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thehunter116 on December 16, 2017, 08:43:50 PM
Rogue One and especially Last Jedi were prequel status to me. At least George was passionate about inserting weird world building.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/ac7MA7r5IMYda/giphy.gif)

Yeah, you're one of those "fans".

Comparing dumpster fires with bad direction, wooden acting and terrible storytelling to movies with actual thought and naunce.

Except Rogue One. That's just a war film; but a damn good one.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bork on December 16, 2017, 08:45:06 PM
They have a Star Wars movie every year the next four years. :beli George was a slut for merchandising but not the way Disney is. I'm not sure how that's debatable.

Oh, no doubt about it.  Plus you have ads for Disney Star Wars cruises and shit before the movie even starts.  But the level of quality on these movies, so far, has been much better than the dreck Lucas shat out with that previous set of movies.  So that's OK with me.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2017, 08:45:35 PM
Honestly, walking out, I don’t even see how this was divisive. It was just another SW movie.

It really isn't.

Perfect post at Reset.

Quote
this movie proves once and for all that star wars has no established tone or style and means pretty much nothing so you can have a big weird mix of battlestar galactica, the fifth element, the expanse, and anime, and as long as it has the star wars ships, weapons and characters, literally anything can happen because there is no story to derail and people will cheer when they see the lightsaber

Another reason Trek > Wars

So exactly as I said...they did something you didn't like so therefor it's bad. Believe it or not just saying other sci-fi series without realizing what actually makes them what they are (hint, it's story, characters and settings; not stupid things like "tone" and "feels") :doge

You're welcome to say you don't like it but you gonna be hyperbolic and dramatic be prepared for counter snark.  :ufup

You're acting like a complete and utter taco and should probably head back to Reset. The thing they did "I didn't want" was make a bad movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2017, 08:47:43 PM
They have a Star Wars movie every year the next four years. :beli George was a slut for merchandising but not the way Disney is. I'm not sure how that's debatable.

Oh, no doubt about it.  Plus you have ads for Disney Star Wars cruises and shit before the movie even starts.  But the level of quality on these movies, so far, has been much better than the dreck Lucas shat out with that previous set of movies.  So that's OK with me.

I think Rogue One and Last Jedi are definitely on par with the prequels. Last Jedi especially shares the same problems I have with the prequels and the Finn/Rose storyline was as bad as anything from Jar Jar.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bork on December 16, 2017, 08:48:01 PM
Forgot to mention the theater.  It was almost full and there were a lot of kids.  I saw one 40-50 something year old guy in Jedi cosplay and there was one guy -one sole audience member- who was clapping at stuff.  It was so awkward.  :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thehunter116 on December 16, 2017, 08:48:08 PM
They have a Star Wars movie every year the next four years. :beli (http://George was a slut for merchandising) but not the way Disney is. I'm not sure how that's debatable.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ad/Ilm-ewok2.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/ec/Caravan_bg.jpeg/250px-Caravan_bg.jpeg)

(https://i0.wp.com/media2.slashfilm.com/slashfilm/wp/wp-content/images/Star_Wars_Holiday_Special_8x10__67622.1405345638.1280.1280.jpg)

Cindi c'mon.

He was worse.


(https://www.sbs.com.au/comedy/sites/sbs.com.au.comedy/files/styles/body_image/public/itchy_machine.jpg?itok=EiojWn9s&mtime=1471321213)

 :dayum
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bork on December 16, 2017, 08:48:46 PM
the Finn/Rose storyline was as bad as anything from Jar Jar.

You've got to be kidding me here.  :lol :rofl
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thehunter116 on December 16, 2017, 08:49:12 PM
Honestly, walking out, I don’t even see how this was divisive. It was just another SW movie.

It really isn't.

Perfect post at Reset.

Quote
this movie proves once and for all that star wars has no established tone or style and means pretty much nothing so you can have a big weird mix of battlestar galactica, the fifth element, the expanse, and anime, and as long as it has the star wars ships, weapons and characters, literally anything can happen because there is no story to derail and people will cheer when they see the lightsaber

Another reason Trek > Wars

So exactly as I said...they did something you didn't like so therefor it's bad. Believe it or not just saying other sci-fi series without realizing what actually makes them what they are (hint, it's story, characters and settings; not stupid things like "tone" and "feels") :doge

You're welcome to say you don't like it but you gonna be hyperbolic and dramatic be prepared for counter snark.  :ufup

You're acting like a complete and utter taco and should probably head back to Reset. The thing they did "I didn't want" was make a bad movie.

The Prequels were 2/3 bad movies (RotS is redeemable.)

The New Trilogy are not objectively bad movies. You just don't like them yourself.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thehunter116 on December 16, 2017, 08:49:58 PM
They have a Star Wars movie every year the next four years. :beli George was a slut for merchandising but not the way Disney is. I'm not sure how that's debatable.

Oh, no doubt about it.  Plus you have ads for Disney Star Wars cruises and shit before the movie even starts.  But the level of quality on these movies, so far, has been much better than the dreck Lucas shat out with that previous set of movies.  So that's OK with me.

I think Rogue One and Last Jedi are definitely on par with the prequels. Last Jedi especially shares the same problems I have with the prequels and the Finn/Rose storyline was as bad as anything from Jar Jar.

 :gurl :comeon :umad :picard
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2017, 08:50:45 PM
"Not objectively bad movies"

Last Jedi has the smallest universe of a sci fi movie I've ever seen. Trying to make them run out of fuel. Riveting entertainment.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thehunter116 on December 16, 2017, 08:53:21 PM
"Not objectively bad movies"

Last Jedi has the smallest universe of a sci fi movie I've ever seen. Trying to make them run out of fuel. Riveting entertainment.

It makes sense from a narrative standpoint.

The First Order knew their base; why wouldn't they attack immediately? Thus they have to messily evac and leave stuff behind.

Nothing in TLJ is objectively bad besides Admiral "I'm not telling you desperate souls a thing" Holdo single handily causing the epic fail of the rest of the rebel cast.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thehunter116 on December 16, 2017, 08:56:35 PM
Cindi, remember when we talked about taking a break from the internet earlier?

I think some OT fans need to take a break.

People around the net have been losing their minds over silly shit. I can't take people serious when they try to argue the new trilogy is on par with "Jar Jar" and "MY LOVE FOR YOU IS A WATERFALL" or my favorite "LETS TALK POLITICS IN A FICTIONAL UNIVERSE FOR HOURS"

You are welcome to not like them by all means. But don't try to be disingenuous and seriously argue they are critically equal to the prequels.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: etiolate on December 16, 2017, 08:58:35 PM
I saw it and ended up liking it. Perhaps all the mixed reviews gave me lower expectations. 

My initial criticisms:

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Length made the movie drag. Could have been cut down or split up.
I thought the Yoda scene was cringe worthy bad. Other needless fan service drew me out of the fiction. Hoth 2.0 with artsy color play was a bit much. Felt like an excuse for visuals rather than a true part of the universe.
Rose/Finn story? That love story didn't even exist until that crazy eskimo bitch dropped the bomb on him. Finn's intended sacrifice didn't make sense either.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2017, 09:00:04 PM
the Finn/Rose storyline was as bad as anything from Jar Jar.

You've got to be kidding me here.  :lol :rofl

No I am not.

I would respect the opinion of people who like the movie if they wouldn't reduce people's problems with it as something to do with expectations or we didn't get _____ out of it. I have said why I think it's shit and I'm tired of people assuming my motives or putting words in my mouth and saying shit about expectations which makes them sound distinguished mentally-challenged shills.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2017, 09:01:12 PM
Cindi, remember when we talked about taking a break from the internet earlier?

I think some OT fans need to take a break.

People around the net have been losing their minds over silly shit. I can't take people serious when they try to argue the new trilogy is on par with "Jar Jar" and "MY LOVE FOR YOU IS A WATERFALL" or my favorite "LETS TALK POLITICS IN A FICTIONAL UNIVERSE FOR HOURS"

You are welcome to not like them by all means. But don't try to be disingenuous and seriously argue they are critically equal to the prequels.

I can say what I want. You haven't even asked why I personally think it's on par with the prequels. Because you don't care. Please go back to Reset or whatever hole you came from.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thehunter116 on December 16, 2017, 09:02:10 PM
the Finn/Rose storyline was as bad as anything from Jar Jar.

You've got to be kidding me here.  :lol :rofl

No I am not.

I would respect the opinion of people who like the movie if they would reduce people's problems with it as something to do with expectations or we didn't get _____ out of it. I have said why I think it's shit and I'm tired of people assuming my motives or putting words in my mouth and saying shit about expectations which makes them sound distinguished mentally-challenged shills.

Which is what I said.

You didn't like it; not it was an objectively bad movie. IF you think that then why? Rose and Finn were there to show reasons to fight a war beyond Finn's initial hate and anger. It was also there for the overarching theme of failure and growing from it.

Jar Jar was there for bad comic relief and racism.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thehunter116 on December 16, 2017, 09:02:58 PM
Cindi, remember when we talked about taking a break from the internet earlier?

I think some OT fans need to take a break.

People around the net have been losing their minds over silly shit. I can't take people serious when they try to argue the new trilogy is on par with "Jar Jar" and "MY LOVE FOR YOU IS A WATERFALL" or my favorite "LETS TALK POLITICS IN A FICTIONAL UNIVERSE FOR HOURS"

You are welcome to not like them by all means. But don't try to be disingenuous and seriously argue they are critically equal to the prequels.

I can say what I want. You haven't even asked why I personally think it's on par with the prequels. Because you don't care. Please go back to Reset or whatever hole you came from.

When you compare story beats to anything Jar Jar yes I tend to react negatively. Read the above then and respond why you feel that way?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: etiolate on December 16, 2017, 09:03:32 PM
I think we can all agree

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the vacuum of space Leia was cringey as fuck
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It was like Mary Poppins in space.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2017, 09:03:38 PM
the Finn/Rose storyline was as bad as anything from Jar Jar.

You've got to be kidding me here.  :lol :rofl

No I am not.

I would respect the opinion of people who like the movie if they would reduce people's problems with it as something to do with expectations or we didn't get _____ out of it. I have said why I think it's shit and I'm tired of people assuming my motives or putting words in my mouth and saying shit about expectations which makes them sound distinguished mentally-challenged shills.

Which is what I said.

You didn't like it; not it was an objectively bad movie. IF you think that then why? Rose and Finn were there to show reasons to fight a war beyond Finn's initial hate and anger. It was also there for the overarching theme of failure and growing from it.

Jar Jar was there for bad comic relief and racism.

That is clearly a typo you dumbass.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thehunter116 on December 16, 2017, 09:07:05 PM
the Finn/Rose storyline was as bad as anything from Jar Jar.

You've got to be kidding me here.  :lol :rofl

No I am not.

I would respect the opinion of people who like the movie if they would reduce people's problems with it as something to do with expectations or we didn't get _____ out of it. I have said why I think it's shit and I'm tired of people assuming my motives or putting words in my mouth and saying shit about expectations which makes them sound distinguished mentally-challenged shills.

Which is what I said.

You didn't like it; not it was an objectively bad movie. IF you think that then why? Rose and Finn were there to show reasons to fight a war beyond Finn's initial hate and anger. It was also there for the overarching theme of failure and growing from it.

Jar Jar was there for bad comic relief and racism.

That is clearly a typo you dumbass.

Ok, still explain why you feel that way?

I mean continuing to cry and call me names kinda plays into the whole angry fan shit I was talking about.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Freyj on December 16, 2017, 09:09:15 PM
Rogue One and especially Last Jedi were prequel status to me. At least George was passionate about inserting weird world building.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/ac7MA7r5IMYda/giphy.gif)

Yeah, you're one of those "fans".

Comparing dumpster fires with bad direction, wooden acting and terrible storytelling to movies with actual thought and naunce.

Except Rogue One. That's just a war film; but a damn good one.

It’s a war documentary.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2017, 09:18:50 PM
Cindi, remember when we talked about taking a break from the internet earlier?

I think some OT fans need to take a break.

People around the net have been losing their minds over silly shit. I can't take people serious when they try to argue the new trilogy is on par with "Jar Jar" and "MY LOVE FOR YOU IS A WATERFALL" or my favorite "LETS TALK POLITICS IN A FICTIONAL UNIVERSE FOR HOURS"

You are welcome to not like them by all means. But don't try to be disingenuous and seriously argue they are critically equal to the prequels.

I can say what I want. You haven't even asked why I personally think it's on par with the prequels. Because you don't care. Please go back to Reset or whatever hole you came from.

When you compare story beats to anything Jar Jar yes I tend to react negatively. Read the above then and respond why you feel that way?

- over emphasis on action, there's very little room to breathe so to speak. TFA I give credit to because it's the first in a trilogy. It reminded me how in the prequel trilogy there's so much action all the time and that they felt that's what audiences wanted. Same thing here. Very few scenes that are sit down and talk. Nah, need to have a mutiiny. Gotta have some over ling casino sequence and escape chase. Gotta have bombers - :lol in space. The amount of action was ridiculous and easily fell into George's vapid mindset he used in the prequels.

- too much emphasis on creating silly humor. The prequels are mired in dumbass fun for the whole family schlock from things like the flying diner dude, Jar Jar stepping the poopie, or R2 becoming a God and always saving the day somehow, some way. It's no different here. You've got unnecessary chases with characters on cat horses and jumping through glass in that Hollywood sort of way, weird scenes like the alien dude putting coins in BB8 that are done just to be quirky and lol mom did you see that, the entire dialogue between Hux and Poe at the beginning has zero place in a Star Wars and felt more in place in a Star Wars parody, there's a joke every 30 seconds, and BB8 is always there to conveniently save the day. The tone is family oriented in a way that doesn't mean to offend, much like the prequels, where there's high stakes and yet everything still feels like a joke.

- shallow characters in Finn, Poe, Rose, Holdo, and arguably Rey. Kylo, Luke and Leia are the standouts and that's partially because we know the history of two of them.

- less emphasis on Rey. It fully fails the "who is the main character" test much like The Phantom Menace, where there's too much emphasis on so many different groups that it loses focus and weight. A big reason TFA worked for me is because it's largely about Rey and her growth and her urge to be a part of something. The fact that Luke, Rey, Snoke, and Kylo - easily the best element of the movie - does not take center stage in lieu of Finn and his stupid Asian girlfriends bullshit was a massive fuck up. It came out like a giant mish mash much like TPM.

I feel ROTS is better and I don't even like ROTS.

I put it on par or slightly better than TPM. The Finn/Rose storyline and the kiss at the end made it feel like the pod racing story on TPM for me. In other words, a giant waste of time.

A post made right when I got from the movies that further highlights my issues:

Let's be real.

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Characters - Every character is a moron except Luke, Leia, and the Vice-Admiral. Even the Vice Admiral barely makes that list because she left the fleet like sitting ducks without so much as a description as to what their plan was. Poe is a fucking idiot and should be executed. That's been covered.Finn and Rose are also fucking idiots. Not only do they not complete their mission but they completely fuck it up and get caught for a pointless reason. Their entire side story was dreadful. The "love you" at the end between them wasn't earned. Before then, they just made jokes and went on some dumb ass overly adventure. Love tho? Really? Snoke is stupid. Rey is stupid. Ben is stupid. Almost every character here does something without thinking first. It doesn't feel like Star Wars. It feels like some Marvel movie in terms of characterization. Luke and BB-8 are literally the only competent fuckers around in this movie.

Themes - The theme of placing hopes and dreams on heroic sacrifice and hero worship could have made for a good movie. Except the film muddles its own ideas because 1. Luke saves the rebellion by acting as a hero to sacrifice himself for the Rebellion, and 2. so does the Vice Admiral. So its themes don't work. So what is it trying to say? Don't rely on legends, don't rely on heroes except...some of the time? This is bat fucking distinguished mentally-challenged. As it is, this makes the story completely incoherent. You could throw in the the theme about light and darkness and how all is one, but the movie doens't really go anywhere with it and it still plays with binary Star Wars, especially since Kylo stays with the First Order and is still very much a bad guy. I was hoping for a hint that the Force - the TRUE Force - blends light and dark together to complete a balanced whole or play with Rey's darkness, and it was just one giant cheeseburger cock tease. As it is, the themes are dog shit and feel rushed.

Story and pacing - I was so fucking bored. Almost every sequence is high thrills. Much like with TFA (which I give credit to for being the first in a trilogy) and Rogue One every scene just HAS to be some modern shitty chase scene or some fight. There's no sit down like in Empire where the Falcon is inside that alien's gut. Finn and Rose's part of the movie is terrible. Poe committing mutiny was distinguished mentally-challenged. Am I supposed to cheer for these characters? I feel absolutely nothing even as the rebellion dies ship by ship, one by one. Despite the high stakes nothing really seems to matter, and didn't matter because a hero would come at the end of the day. And the ending with the little kid looking at the Rebellion ring, gazing at the horizon like Luke did? That was so fucking cheesy and laughable.
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Summary: overly action-packed movie that barely understands Star Wars or its appeal with bad characters, little reason for emotional investment in any character (besides Luke). Poor pacing, poor writing, muddled themes, and just fucking boring despite the sheer number of blaster pews.

Rating: D+, another prequel tier Star Wars movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: etiolate on December 16, 2017, 09:21:04 PM
Rogue One was supreme meh.

Can't name a character from the film. Can barely remember a character besides samurai buddy.

I think the problem or frustrations stemming from how the OT and the new series connect is that it acts like its a cycle of the force with elements repeating, but its not a cycle at all. It's just a reset. A proper cycle would have had some history and change following RoJ that would eventually lead from brief peace into future strife.  The new series decides to just drag out the strife, with a sense of endless war and war profiteering like the entire universe is deep Africa. That doesn't fit any of the strongest influences of Star Wars, be it Jungian/Campbell mythos, eastern new age philosophy or pulpy serial sci-fi adventures. Instead, its heavily inspired by recent comic book movies and temporal politics.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2017, 09:21:16 PM
the Finn/Rose storyline was as bad as anything from Jar Jar.

You've got to be kidding me here.  :lol :rofl

No I am not.

I would respect the opinion of people who like the movie if they would reduce people's problems with it as something to do with expectations or we didn't get _____ out of it. I have said why I think it's shit and I'm tired of people assuming my motives or putting words in my mouth and saying shit about expectations which makes them sound distinguished mentally-challenged shills.

Which is what I said.

You didn't like it; not it was an objectively bad movie. IF you think that then why? Rose and Finn were there to show reasons to fight a war beyond Finn's initial hate and anger. It was also there for the overarching theme of failure and growing from it.

Jar Jar was there for bad comic relief and racism.

That is clearly a typo you dumbass.

Ok, still explain why you feel that way?

I mean continuing to cry and call me names kinda plays into the whole angry fan shit I was talking about.

The way you're posting about it, feels like you're egging me on and the tone just rubs me the wrong way. Some self congratulatory asshole way that makes me want to punch you.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2017, 09:25:34 PM
Cindi, remember when we talked about taking a break from the internet earlier?

I think some OT fans need to take a break.

People around the net have been losing their minds over silly shit. I can't take people serious when they try to argue the new trilogy is on par with "Jar Jar" and "MY LOVE FOR YOU IS A WATERFALL" or my favorite "LETS TALK POLITICS IN A FICTIONAL UNIVERSE FOR HOURS"

You are welcome to not like them by all means. But don't try to be disingenuous and seriously argue they are critically equal to the prequels.

I can say what I want. You haven't even asked why I personally think it's on par with the prequels. Because you don't care. Please go back to Reset or whatever hole you came from.


Did you get banned from RE again or something

No. I'm done with Reset. :trash
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2017, 09:57:32 PM
A good example as to how this movie prequel status is the call to Maz.

Can't have a regular ass phone call and ask questions and get normal ass answers. Nah. She's doing all this shit, doing ninja moves, hiiyahhh! And you're supposed to laugh. It's like nothing in the movie is taken seriously. Even gathering information on how they can stop the hyperspace tracker. Nothing is taken seriously, everything is a joke despite the stakes because it's dead pressed on creating great family fun. I actually think the Maz scene was when I thought,"this movie is bad."
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Freyj on December 16, 2017, 10:08:27 PM
The most prequel thing to me was the Casino planet scenes and some of the island scenes early on where there’s 20 different cgi monsters or humanoids farting and yelling and roaring and cluttering up the screen with useless bullshit that feels less like world building and more like a Vegas cab ride.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 16, 2017, 10:29:55 PM
Now that I've had some time to distance myself from the initial reaction to the movie, I'm ready to go see this again with a slightly modified mindset. TLJ definitely threw a curve ball in a lot of ways, messed with my expectation quite a bit, but individual scenes are starting to come back to me and I'm beginning to appreciate more how they were handled. Not that I expect some revelation where it all falls into place and becomes transcendent or anything, because it's always going to be pretty messy.

Probably go see it again in a couple weeks with my parents once the crowds die down a bit.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: kingv on December 16, 2017, 10:36:43 PM
I think we can all agree

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the vacuum of space Leia was cringey as fuck
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It was like Mary Poppins in space.

They should have done rewrites to just make that her final scene. It actually would have been better.

There really wasn’t anything that happpened after that she absolutely had to do.

After 24 hours, I still enjoyed the movie for what it is. Great visuals, costumes and sets, got to see some shit I liked as a kid, played with expectations in various scenes subverting what you expect to happen in a billion dollar blockbuster.... but the “lore” as paper thin and needs to be developed.

However, it’s basically always been this way except in tge prequels and they sucked.... but I really feel like the first order needs to be fleshed out, because as it is they are fucking just space Nazis that more or less just appeared out of the ether because the movies needed a bad guy.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 16, 2017, 10:48:05 PM
I think we can all agree

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the vacuum of space Leia was cringey as fuck
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It was like Mary Poppins in space.

They should have done rewrites to just make that her final scene. It actually would have been better.

There really wasn’t anything that happpened after that she absolutely had to do.


I was wondering about whether they discussed this. I’m guessing they did, and maybe figured it wouldn’t be so cool in light that it would be limiting her final performance’s screentime.

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also we wouldn’t have gotten the Luke and Leia scene, which I loved. It was nice to see them together one last time.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ZombieSupaStar on December 16, 2017, 10:49:17 PM
From what Ive been readin the movie kind of throws out a bunch of story we were wondering about from the TFA, or just does away with a lot of what people anticipated.

Haven't seen it yet, but it reminds me of Twin Peaks 2017 and how David Lynch just kind of smashed his previously built sand castles and created a new hot mess of WTF by the end.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 16, 2017, 11:24:31 PM
So, one important unanswered question:

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Did Luke die a virgin?
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BlueTsunami on December 16, 2017, 11:27:14 PM
So, one important unanswered question:

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Did Luke die a virgin?
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Kylos anger seems a bit far beyond the betrayal of just ones master. I bet there were former midnight visits but with God given lightsabers.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on December 16, 2017, 11:31:36 PM
Does the tauntaun count?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tokyosandblaster on December 16, 2017, 11:34:26 PM
They have a Star Wars movie every year the next four years. :beli George was a slut for merchandising but not the way Disney is. I'm not sure how that's debatable.
You're getting a new Star Wars movie every year for the rest of your life. Not looking forward to all of them myself. 
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BlueTsunami on December 16, 2017, 11:35:10 PM
If it does Luke is a murderer rapist
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on December 16, 2017, 11:35:53 PM
Luke  got deep in dem guts  :smug
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tokyosandblaster on December 16, 2017, 11:39:28 PM
Can someone please explain what nuance there was in The Last Jedi?

Was is the ha fisted way they injected cute animals in with the sole intent of selling toys for Xmas?

Movie sucked. Almost fell asleep twice. Only other time that happened was during The Hobbit.

So quality wise, TLJ = The Hobbit.
We talking novel or film trilogy based on the short novel? I really don't understand how the film is so devisive. Dude was given free reign to play in the star wars universe and I thought he did a great job.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2017, 11:56:16 PM
Free reign to play with the Star Wars universe and turn it all back to the status quo in the end. The throne room scene is IMO one of the best scenes in all in the entire series. While watching it and based on what Luke said there was going to be a massive shift in the status quo and rid the Star Wars universe with good guy vs bad guy. Kylo and Rey teaming up was perfect. Kylo says to rid the galaxy of Skywalkers, Jedi, Sith, all that shit. Then...nothing. Hux shows up, Rey is gone, and it's back to where they were before. Then you get fan tards going off about how "risky" the movie was. If Rey joined Kylo I think that would have rocked. The set up for it was certainly there, what with her peering into the dark side with no hesitation as Luke said.

Played with the Star Wars universe how? The ending is the same as when we started except no Luke and no Snoke.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thehunter116 on December 17, 2017, 12:05:50 AM
the Finn/Rose storyline was as bad as anything from Jar Jar.

You've got to be kidding me here.  :lol :rofl

No I am not.

I would respect the opinion of people who like the movie if they would reduce people's problems with it as something to do with expectations or we didn't get _____ out of it. I have said why I think it's shit and I'm tired of people assuming my motives or putting words in my mouth and saying shit about expectations which makes them sound distinguished mentally-challenged shills.

Which is what I said.

You didn't like it; not it was an objectively bad movie. IF you think that then why? Rose and Finn were there to show reasons to fight a war beyond Finn's initial hate and anger. It was also there for the overarching theme of failure and growing from it.

Jar Jar was there for bad comic relief and racism.

That is clearly a typo you dumbass.

Ok, still explain why you feel that way?

I mean continuing to cry and call me names kinda plays into the whole angry fan shit I was talking about.

The way you're posting about it, feels like you're egging me on and the tone just rubs me the wrong way. Some self congratulatory asshole way that makes me want to punch you.

On that I apologies, too many idiots with absolutely no nuance on what they feel other than Comic Book Guy responses. I'll parse my way through your better response.

Sorry for coming off that way.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thehunter116 on December 17, 2017, 12:10:10 AM


Played with the Star Wars universe how? The ending is the same as when we started except no Luke and no Snoke.

Before I tackle the first post on this I can answer.

It's less with the universe at large (we're actually reliving the OT series in a sense, except this time we'll see the Rebellion form from the ground up instead of just being there). and more to do with what they did. We've never had a Sith take his master's place before (Vader never got to that point). We've never had a villain this fleshed out before (Vader was lame until the end of ESB). We've never had the heroes fail and flop like this before nor seen the consequences of failing. This is exciting and I look forward to where we head next.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ZombieSupaStar on December 17, 2017, 12:29:06 AM
I just watched this (tons of spoilers, so don't watch if you don't want to be spoiled)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL5oCP0VIEI

and man I don't even want to see the film after listening to them. I can see why Mark Hamill was full of WTF when he read the script.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/the-last-jedi-plot-luke-skywalker-script-mark-hamill-jedi-a7692386.html

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"When I read 8, I told Rian [Johnson, the writer-director], 'I fundamentally disagree with virtually everything you've decided about my character'," Hamill said during an ABC interview.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 17, 2017, 12:33:18 AM
I watched that earlier. They make most of their points sound worse than they actually are.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thehunter116 on December 17, 2017, 12:47:27 AM
I saw it again this morning and liked it a whole lot more. Upgrading my rating to an 8/10.

It makes no sense that using cruisers as hyperspace tactical nukes isn't like the dominant military tactic though. It was an amazing visual, but I'm not sure it was thought through enough.

The same reason we don't see that in real life.

Expensive and impractical after awhile.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2017, 12:48:02 AM
I ain't gonna spoiler tag because if you're in this thread on day two of this movies release, you're a dumb ass if you get mad you're spoiled. This isn't a safe space.

Things I liked about the movie:

- Luke's death. Luke is favorite character in the series and always has been. I thought his death was beautiful. He dies exactly how we met him: staring into the sunset. Perfect send off to the character.
- The throne room scene.
- About everything on the Jedi world with Luke, Rey, and Kylo.
-The part in the intro where Poe wraps around those two ships and shoots the shit out of them.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 17, 2017, 01:00:34 AM
Well, at least we agree on the high points. Add add the Luke and Leia scene, even if just for pure nostalgia feels.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2017, 01:07:45 AM
There's a lot of people freaking out about what they did with Luke's character, but I absolutely LOVED it. My only problem is that his line "I came here to die" makes no sense giving him putting a map in R2D2 to find him. But the rest of it is classic Luke Skywalker. My favorite part of Luke was always how he fought the dark side and would always win over it. Him thinking of killing Kylo, but realizing his mistake and falling back on it is classic Luke. I love that. Luke not wanting to join the fight but then doing that sacrifice he did in the end was also classic Luke. As a Luke fan, I got all I wanted and more from the movie regarding him. I loved every thing they did for his character and his development.

I forgot to mention the Yoda scene. I loved that too.

I liked everything involving Luke, Kylo, and Rey (although I do feel Rey and Kylo should have joined forces as a third, middle way of the Force), but every thing else....:kobeyuck
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ZombieSupaStar on December 17, 2017, 01:12:38 AM
It just seems like they are writing these movies with absolutely no over arching story. I know that's what happened in the OT (Vader wasn't Luke's dad and was retconned, Leia wasnt Luke's sister and was retconned, etc). But it just seems like you shouldn't expect anything to carry over to the next movie now. Whats to stop JJ from just saying fuck it and killing of Kylo or saying no really Luke was Reys dad. I feel like they are making these blind. Like Luke (tlj spoiler)
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was going to kill a sleeping Kylo?
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OT Luke wouldn't do that.

Maybe TLJ writers/director were fans of Obsidian Entertainment, but don't have the talent to make the shades o' grey actually work.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2017, 01:16:31 AM
It just seems like they are writing these movies with absolutely no over arching story. I know that's what happened in the OT (Vader wasn't Luke's dad and was retconned, Leia wasnt Luke's sister and was retconned, etc). But it just seems like you shouldn't expect anything to carry over to the next movie now. Whats to stop JJ from just saying fuck it and killing of Kylo or saying no really Luke was Reys dad. I feel like they are making these blind. Like Luke (tlj spoiler)
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was going to kill a sleeping Kylo?
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OT Luke wouldn't do that.

Maybe TLJ writers/director were fans of Obsidian Entertainment, but don't have the talent to make the shades o' grey actually work.

Exactly why I don't give a fuck about Episode 9. Who cares.

Also, OT Luke would do that. Luke tries to kill him, but then goes back on it. OT Luke is also the same Luke who beats the absolute shit out of his own father and even chops off his hand with his lightsaber. The character of Luke is one of conflict: he might be tempted to do things of the dark side, but he never goes all the way. Which is exactly what happened here.

And yeah, you're right about the lack of ability to do shades of gray. I really wonder what Obsidian thinks.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ZombieSupaStar on December 17, 2017, 01:22:13 AM
And also Mark Hamill not agreeing with what Luke does in Episode 8 kind of bias me, where I won't like it ever anyways.

I just have this feeling that TLJ directed by Abrams would have been different, in that Snoke would have been someone, Reys parents would have been someone, Luke would have been different, so its like we had the rug pulled out by a new director that wanted to do his own thing so he invalidates everything in the first movie in the trilogy, and now we have to hope somehow it wraps up coherently in ep 9.

This will only make sense if you have seen Twin Peaks but its like in Twin Peaks season 2 finale David Lynch came back and said "Windham Earle? Annie? Nadine has amnesia? No Laura Palmer?" Nah fuck that shit, and wiped it all out. Except its not a homerun, its the 2nd movie in a trilogy and we are given super nadine, a james story arc, and a lara flynn boyle throws a hissy fit so lets make up shit for her to do, to look forward to in episode 9.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2017, 01:23:52 AM
And also Mark Hamill not agreeing with what Luke does in Episode 8 kind of bias me, where I won't like it ever anyways.

I just have this feeling that TLJ directed by Abrams would have been different, in that Snoke would have been someone, Reys parents would have been someone, Luke would have been different, so its like we had the rug pulled out by a new director that wanted to do his own thing so he invalidates everything in the first movie in the trilogy, and now we have to hope somehow it wraps up coherently in ep 9.

This will only make sense if you have seen Twin Peaks but its like in Twin Peaks season 2 finale David Lynch came back and said "Windham Earle? Annie? Nadine has amnesia? No Laura Palmer?" Nah fuck that shit, and wiped it all out. Except its not a homerun, its the 2nd movie in a trilogy and we are given super nadine, a james story arc, and a lara flynn boyle throws a hissy fit so lets make up shit for her to do, to look forward to in episode 9.

JJ gets Star Wars. Rian doesn't.

That said, I have no problem with Rey being no one. Anakin was no one as well initially.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ZombieSupaStar on December 17, 2017, 01:27:51 AM
JJ gets Star Wars. Rian doesn't.

That said, I have no problem with Rey being no one. Anakin was no one as well initially.

I 100% believe that is just for Disney to be able to make Star Wars movies from now till the end of time with force users popping up as marketing studies and merchandising forecasts allow. Not that Lucas was a saint in that regard, but Disney is just on another level.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2017, 01:31:57 AM
JJ gets Star Wars. Rian doesn't.

That said, I have no problem with Rey being no one. Anakin was no one as well initially.

I 100% believe that is just for Disney to be able to make Star Wars movies from now till the end of time with force users popping up as marketing studies and merchandising forecasts allow. Not that Lucas was a saint in that regard, but Disney is just on another level.

Why do you think they gave Rian a new trilogy? The writing is all on the wall. I was excited for that but now I kinda don't care.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thehunter116 on December 17, 2017, 01:33:55 AM
And also Mark Hamill not agreeing with what Luke does in Episode 8 kind of bias me, where I won't like it ever anyways.

I just have this feeling that TLJ directed by Abrams would have been different, in that Snoke would have been someone, Reys parents would have been someone, Luke would have been different, so its like we had the rug pulled out by a new director that wanted to do his own thing so he invalidates everything in the first movie in the trilogy, and now we have to hope somehow it wraps up coherently in ep 9.

This will only make sense if you have seen Twin Peaks but its like in Twin Peaks season 2 finale David Lynch came back and said "Windham Earle? Annie? Nadine has amnesia? No Laura Palmer?" Nah fuck that shit, and wiped it all out. Except its not a homerun, its the 2nd movie in a trilogy and we are given super nadine, a james story arc, and a lara flynn boyle throws a hissy fit so lets make up shit for her to do, to look forward to in episode 9.

JJ gets Star Wars. Rian doesn't.

That said, I have no problem with Rey being no one. Anakin was no one as well initially.

Well he was actually a force baby made by Plagius the Wise.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tokyosandblaster on December 17, 2017, 01:36:00 AM
And also Mark Hamill not agreeing with what Luke does in Episode 8 kind of bias me, where I won't like it ever anyways.

I just have this feeling that TLJ directed by Abrams would have been different, in that Snoke would have been someone, Reys parents would have been someone, Luke would have been different, so its like we had the rug pulled out by a new director that wanted to do his own thing so he invalidates everything in the first movie in the trilogy, and now we have to hope somehow it wraps up coherently in ep 9.

This will only make sense if you have seen Twin Peaks but its like in Twin Peaks season 2 finale David Lynch came back and said "Windham Earle? Annie? Nadine has amnesia? No Laura Palmer?" Nah fuck that shit, and wiped it all out. Except its not a homerun, its the 2nd movie in a trilogy and we are given super nadine, a james story arc, and a lara flynn boyle throws a hissy fit so lets make up shit for her to do, to look forward to in episode 9.

JJ gets Star Wars. Rian doesn't.

That said, I have no problem with Rey being no one. Anakin was no one as well initially.
I don't get this. What does JJ get so right that Rian gets wrong? I'm pretty sure JJ was on a short leash (deservedly so) to course correct the franchise. The first sequel was a success so Rian got to do what he wanted.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ZombieSupaStar on December 17, 2017, 01:37:38 AM
Why do you think they gave Rian a new trilogy? The writing is all on the wall. I was excited for that but now I kinda don't care.

Just the Luke thing seems so.... anticlimactic, yeah I know its my fanboy fanfic talking but seeing him go nuts, and die as a martyr would have been awesome. And I know its easy for the fans (of this movie) to scream "SUBVERTING EXPECTATIONS!!!" but again its probably just me but as a fan of Twin Peaks, (again this makes no sense if you havent seen it), but after having digested whatever the fuck Twin Peak 2017 was. I've kind of had my fill of the whole subverting expectations things for awhile.

Part of me just wants to register on RE, mass quote all of those fuckers and a say "just go jerk off over KoToR 2 for the 1083th time, I heard the newest fan patch restores a half textured box in one of the hangar bays of the ship!"

I need to lie down lol. I've actually spend 2 hours of my Saturday night being angry about Star Wars.


I wonder what Disney is going to think, TLJ seems a lot more mixed than TFA does. I'm guessing they aren't going to be happy about that.
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Post by: seagrams hotsauce on December 17, 2017, 01:39:45 AM
This shit has been out for like three days and still no Half in the Bag?  I've dealt with MONTHS of having star wars shit shoved in my face and they had a faster turnover for fuckin' Thor or whatever :maf :maf :maf
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tokyosandblaster on December 17, 2017, 01:45:57 AM
This shit has been out for like three days and still no Half in the Bag?  I've dealt with MONTHS of having star wars shit shoved in my face and they had a faster turnover for fuckin' Thor or whatever :maf :maf :maf
They posted on Twitter that their tickets got fucked up ordering through Fandango some how. They didn't get in opening night. They also said they weren't reviewing it but lol.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on December 17, 2017, 02:01:41 AM
TFA was mediocre, but I thought it was setting up some cool shit. Now last jedi comes out and all the cool shit got thrown out.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 17, 2017, 02:25:56 AM
Watching TFA for the second time, and I take back what I said about TLJ being better. The pacing is so much better, it looks better (though it doesn’t reaches TLJ’s highs), and it has better moment-to-moment editing. The characters have better defined personalities, I think—aside from maybe Kylo, who really shines in TLJ.

Also Han is great. Harrison is having a lot of fun. Han has always been better than Luke anyway.

New ranking:

ESB > SW > ROTJ > TFA > TLJ > ROTS > TPM > R1 > TCW
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2017, 02:28:35 AM
ESB > ROTJ > TFA > ANH (good Star Wars movies end here) > ROTS > R1 > TLJ > TPM > AOTC

And yeah, TFA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TLJ

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 17, 2017, 02:31:51 AM
I think you’re cray cray for putting R1 ahead of TLJ. For all it’s faults, at least TLJ is a competently made movie. The first half hour of R1 is as narratively coherent as most surreal films.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2017, 02:33:03 AM
I think you’re cray cray for putting R1 ahead of TLJ. For all it’s faults, at least TLJ is a competently made movie. The first half hour of R1 is as narratively coherent as most surreal films.

I think they're both so it doesn't matter and I can't exactly decide which is worse.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 17, 2017, 02:38:28 AM
I’d recommend rewatching R1 to remind yourself of just how bad it is, but I don’t want you to suffer.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2017, 02:40:34 AM
Embarrassing movie. That movie was so bad I don't want to see any future Star Wars spin off movies. But TLJ was so bad I don't even give a fuck about Ep 9. So :yeshrug
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 17, 2017, 02:42:33 AM
Embarrassing movie. That movie was so bad I don't want to see any future Star Wars spin off movies. But TLJ was so bad I don't even give a fuck about Ep 9. So :yeshrug

Eh, at least JJ is doing 9. Even if it’s by the book, he at least seems to get the new characters and Star Wars in general.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ZombieSupaStar on December 17, 2017, 02:59:32 AM
Embarrassing movie. That movie was so bad I don't want to see any future Star Wars spin off movies. But TLJ was so bad I don't even give a fuck about Ep 9. So :yeshrug

Eh, at least JJ is doing 9. Even if it’s by the book, he at least seems to get the new characters and Star Wars in general.

Yeah but those of us wanting epic Luke, the punchbowl has already been shit in, and the party's over. This movie is really making me angry for some reason lol. Twin Peaks 2017 just sapped all my chill, and I just want to rage butthurt at not getting my Luke fanfic sendoff moment now.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: etiolate on December 17, 2017, 03:00:36 AM
You remember the ending of Rogue One. You just forget why you got there.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Bebpo on December 17, 2017, 03:33:13 AM
Rogue One was a stinker by stink man Gareth Edwards. Also I like Gary Whitta as a human being and poster and game writer, but I think his writing level is kinda so-so. Best part of Rogue One is diversity cast team good. Great likeable group of minorities which was nice. Everything else? Stinks, especially the last 30 mins or so which are comically ridiculous and fall flat.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 17, 2017, 03:37:35 AM
Embarrassing movie. That movie was so bad I don't want to see any future Star Wars spin off movies. But TLJ was so bad I don't even give a fuck about Ep 9. So :yeshrug

Eh, at least JJ is doing 9. Even if it’s by the book, he at least seems to get the new characters and Star Wars in general.

Yeah but those of us wanting epic Luke, the punchbowl has already been shit in, and the party's over. This movie is really making me angry for some reason lol. Twin Peaks 2017 just sapped all my chill, and I just want to rage butthurt at not getting my Luke fanfic sendoff moment now.



Say what you want about Luke’s portrayal in the movie, but I thought his sendoff was fantastic. There were some great visuals there. And he went out as a hero.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Bebpo on December 17, 2017, 04:02:55 AM
On the other hand I've been thinking about The Last Jedi all night. The more I think about it the more I respect the movie and think it was damn good.

Not sure if we're talking open spoilers here so I'll spoiler text:

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The only part of TLJ that was bad was the Casino Planet and Horses. That section was goofy, added nothing and was tonally out of place with the rest of the film and just hurt the pacing. Cut that part out and the movie is gold. I respect it so damn much for being an entire movie about a single battle. I think that's fucking awesome. It starts with the rebellion about to getting destroyed and their goal is to escape and it ends with them escaping. Everything else is weaved into the act of doing so and when you think about it a shitload of stuff happened in the process of this one almost checkmate battle. The supreme emperor dies, his ship torn in half, Rey gets her jedi shit together more and loses her lightsaber, and Luke Skywalker has his last stand.

The scope of the film is small, a single battle made up of 3 parts (First fight -> Warp out -> Second fight -> Planet fight), and yet with all the events that happen within, it's pretty epic at the same time.

The Kylo Ren/Rey scenes are so.fucking.good, seeing both of these characters who are lost, confused and don't know who they are and what to do with their powers interact in even sort of a sexy push/pull dynamic was probably the most interesting character writing in the entire film series. The build up of all of this to the Snoke's death and dual jedi fight in the red room made that scene one of the most satisfying highs the series has produced in 30+ years since Empire Strikes Back.

The Luke stuff was pretty good too and Hamill does a good job with it. The end fight against Ren was nice and while I don't think they should have gotten rid of Skywalker peacefully right after since it sorta detracts from the cleverness of him having fooled Ren and not actually being there ("see you soon"), it's a fine end. I just think that Luke should've had that scene next movie or something so it didn't detract.

One thing that I find almost accidental possibly is that I am almost convinced the writers, directors and Adam Driver do not know where Kylo Ren's character is going. I feel like this actually creates this unpredictable character who Adam Driver just nails 100% as being a lost and confused fucked up kid full of power with anger management issues who is in pain and wants someone to reach out a hand for him "...Please" to save him, but all he knows how to do is rage and destroy when he doesn't get his way. His character by being kind of all over the place, actually creates the most complex grey area antagonist we've ever had in Star Wars and it's kind of amazing. I'm really interested in where they go with him in the next movie and I hope Abrams doesn't cop out and just make him EVIL BAD GUY and Rey GOOD GAL. Even with Rey, Rian Johnson gives her a lot of dark side elements. She's drawn to the dark, she disobeys Luke and others, she gets ANGRY and is fueled by it.

I kind of wish post the dual jedi teamup scene, the resolution went a different way and I don't mean something simple like Kylo Ren joining up on team good. The film clearly puts both Kylo and Rey in more of a complex grey are that's not light or dark and I would have liked to see what they do next be the product of that. Like the 2 of them going off away and disappearing to do their own thing or something.

I actually thought with what Luke was telling Rey about how there has to be dark and light and it's all about BALANCE, that a cool direction they could have gone as a product of Rey and Kylo Ren being grey area is to have Rey realize that the ultimate jedi power isn't the light side of the force or the dark side, but being able to find a balance, so she could pull from dark side and light side powers (and emotions like peace and anger) and it would explain how she is the strongest. Thought that might've been where they were going with her exploring the dark side as well, but then it didn't go that way.

But even if the film didn't resolve in more complex grey areas in the conclusion, the fact that most of it spends time with the core characters reflecting those grey areas and being more complex developed characters than we've seen in the past makes the movie have a smarter, higher artistic quality than all of the films since Empire imo.

But yeah, Finn should've done some jedi shit in the finale to his arc, because I want Finn as a goddamn Jedi with a lightsaber by movie 3. As it stands he's kinda useless and just another Poe.

When I see people getting butthurt about stuff like Rey's parent's mystery being nothing, I gotta roll my eyes. There was resolution! The resolution is that they were just normal people which is FAR BETTER than any conspiracy where they were someone with special bloodline or something. The universe should just be where certain people are born strong in the force and it can be anyone, as evidenced by the boy in the ending. Rey just wins the luck of the draw by being born extremely strong in the force. Having had it been something with her parents would've been so dumb and so I'm glad the way Rian took it.

Same deal when people complain about killing Snokes so easily and before his backstory is explained. Dude was introduced in Force Awakens as a shitty generic CG super powered EVIL EMPEROR. It was lame as fuck and killing him off and getting him out of this trilogy so real characters can be antagonists was another great decision. Plus the execution of it was fantastic in the scene that it happens.

And then people complaining about Luke's portrayal. This one I can understand. If I were writing Luke's character in this movie I'd have probably done it differently, but it's not bad and so out of character. It's just a different take and I'm ok with it. It helps that Hamill sells it and the Yoda scene is fucking great as is his finale and sendoff.

But yeah, The Last Jedi is the first Star Wars movie in 30 years that actually has me thinking about it and the characters after I've seen it. It actually is making me use my brain and that's nice. I still probably wouldn't give it higher than like a B+/A- and it's not perfect and it's not as good as Empire Strikes Back by far, but I definitely think it's the best since then.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thehunter116 on December 17, 2017, 04:06:48 AM
ESB > ROTJ > TFA > ANH (good Star Wars movies end here) > ROTS > R1 > TLJ > TPM > AOTC

And yeah, TFA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TLJ

 :mindblown

Dem Ewoks and bad acting from Ford and Fisher doe
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thehunter116 on December 17, 2017, 04:08:43 AM
Embarrassing movie. That movie was so bad I don't want to see any future Star Wars spin off movies. But TLJ was so bad I don't even give a fuck about Ep 9. So :yeshrug

Eh, at least JJ is doing 9. Even if it’s by the book, he at least seems to get the new characters and Star Wars in general.

Yeah but those of us wanting epic Luke, the punchbowl has already been shit in, and the party's over. This movie is really making me angry for some reason lol. Twin Peaks 2017 just sapped all my chill, and I just want to rage butthurt at not getting my Luke fanfic sendoff moment now.

His ending was amazingly poignant.

But I get where you're coming from. I too wanted to see him dook it out one last time.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 17, 2017, 04:08:51 AM
Man, imagine if Trevorrow still had to write and direct a follow-up to this? He probably resigned rather than the assumption he got fired. He’d have to have real human thoughts to bring the situation as-is to a close.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Bebpo on December 17, 2017, 04:31:25 AM
Also, I was talking with my friends after the movie and we all kind felt that the way the movie ends really feels like there needs to be a timeskip now.

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Ren to establish himself with the first order and build up something and Rey and the Rebellion to rebuild the rebellion
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 17, 2017, 05:13:21 AM
Rogue One was a stinker by stink man Gareth Edwards.

I really respected you once. Coachella 2014 was fun as hell. This shit though?

R1 was terrible. His Godzilla was terrible. He can do some good visuals, but that doesn’t mean much when you have large deficits in other areas.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on December 17, 2017, 07:11:19 AM
Saw it last night, I dont care enough about SW to type out meaningful critique so let me just say that movie was fucking laughable, holy shit :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Trurl on December 17, 2017, 08:25:43 AM
Momo, why do you have to be so mean?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mupepe on December 17, 2017, 10:02:00 AM
I paid 230 rupees to see it in the oldest cinema in Mumbai and besides the worn out seats being uncomfortable as fuck, I really liked it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 17, 2017, 11:14:36 AM
Saw this yesterday morning. Been thinking about it ever since. I don't think it's as much of a crowd pleaser as TFA was, but I find TLJ to be a more interesting film. Has more to say and does more with the characters. I liked the simple core of the story with the Republic being chased by the FO. I don't really care about the logic surrounding it because it doesn't matter really. Also - I enjoyed that the film leans harder into the WW2 aesthetic, similar to R1.

Reading through some of the impressions so far, I agree with a lot that's been said both positive and negative. The only aspect of the film I really didn't like was the entire Casino Planet interlude which was just a big nothing. Problem is, that motivates the entire rest of the film so it gives me conflicting thoughts.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Marhunchy on December 17, 2017, 11:35:58 AM
JJ gets Star Wars. Rian doesn't.

That said, I have no problem with Rey being no one. Anakin was no one as well initially.

I 100% believe that is just for Disney to be able to make Star Wars movies from now till the end of time with force users popping up as marketing studies and merchandising forecasts allow. Not that Lucas was a saint in that regard, but Disney is just on another level.

Can't wait for the never ending tv series that's coming out exclusively on the new Disney streaming platform  :money :money :money
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 17, 2017, 01:46:16 PM
Star Wars fatigue bores $220 Million out of audiences, not even the highest grossing weekend of all time. :zzz
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ZombieSupaStar on December 17, 2017, 02:01:32 PM
I actually dreamed about how much I hate this movie I havent seen.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2017, 02:27:09 PM
Besides Luke's death, best scene in the movie.

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/7keqpx/full_conversation_between_luke_and/
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Freyj on December 17, 2017, 02:37:49 PM
Besides Luke's death, best scene in the movie.

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/7keqpx/full_conversation_between_luke_and/

Easily the best scene. Jolting compared to the stuff around it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on December 17, 2017, 02:50:21 PM
Man, imagine if Trevorrow still had to write and direct a follow-up to this? He probably resigned rather than the assumption he got fired. He’d have to have real human thoughts to bring the situation as-is to a close.


Lol what? Like the real human feelings of 'dumb as shit' possessed by every character in Jurassic World?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2017, 02:57:12 PM
Man, imagine if Trevorrow still had to write and direct a follow-up to this? He probably resigned rather than the assumption he got fired. He’d have to have real human thoughts to bring the situation as-is to a close.


Lol what? Like the real human feelings of 'dumb as shit' possessed by every character in Jurassic World?

That's his point, bb
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Post by: Bebpo on December 17, 2017, 03:09:53 PM
Besides Luke's death, best scene in the movie.

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/7keqpx/full_conversation_between_luke_and/

Yeah, those were good. I'd put those, the Snokes/Rey/Ren scene and the hot shirtless Ren/Rey exchanges all together as the best scenes.


Still thinking about the movie today, really stuck with me.

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The more I think about it the more I really like the core plot and how what the characters are trying to accomplish sometimes works, sometimes fails and sometimes goes in ways they didn't expect. Like how the Rebellion is pinning their every hope on Luke and in the end if you break it down to what actually accomplished their goals it was a combination of Dern (escape ships) +Luke (stalling) +Rey (moving rocks). The way the story ends up is fairly unpredictable.
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Two technical sci-fi nitpicks I have though:

1. The light speed tracker being the key point that puts the story in motion, yet how it came to be and works is never explained which is kinda bogus.

2. If a cruiser can lightspeed suicide attack a bigger ship and cut it in half, why haven't they been doing this for years? Death star? No problem, let's just lightspeed a few ships through its core! Like that seems broken overpowered for the star wars universe as there doesn't seem any defense against it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Freyj on December 17, 2017, 04:13:48 PM
I think we had already seen TFA twice by this point two years ago, but I'm sort of afraid of seeing TLJ again because I think I'd think even less of it than I already do (the RotJ of a lesser trilogy).

Being dragged into seeing R1 twice murdered any positive thoughts I had on it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: eleuin on December 17, 2017, 04:40:04 PM
Well at least it looked pretty  :lol

Can't they just make a movie where dudes with cool laser melee weapons fight for 2 hours

And yeah that lightspeed suicide was some deus ex machina shit smh
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Bebpo on December 17, 2017, 05:14:22 PM
Well at least it looked pretty  :lol

Can't they just make a movie where dudes with cool laser melee weapons fight for 2 hours

I think there's two different camps of star wars fans. People who want cool lightsaber fights and x-wing action sequences, and people who want a character driven sci-fi talky drama. TFA was more the former, TLJ is more the latter. But obviously there's a middle ground somewhere. I mean TLJ has some cool lightsaber fights and opens with a giant space battle (sorta).
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on December 17, 2017, 05:31:23 PM
when you realize mark hamil had a better send off as Cocknocker in jay n silent bill, than in last jedis  :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYJFzOzpwHo
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: eleuin on December 17, 2017, 05:38:43 PM
I don't even think the TLJ did the talky drama very well. Some of it is expected as SW at its core is pulpy SciFi aimed at all ages. Even more than TFA though, TLJ's dialogue felt too on the nose.

I could even do without the vehicles battles at this point if they aren't doing something visually interesting like the salt fields. Generic grunts die while main characters repair damage and always end up outmanoeuvring the enemy. Throw in some obstacles like asteroid fields again. Come up with some starfighters that shoot different.

As for melee I'm talking The Raid where a dude just fights people wielding weapons like Snoke's bodyguards   :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Trurl on December 17, 2017, 05:50:30 PM
I'm getting so freaking antsy for Half in the Bag.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bluemax on December 17, 2017, 05:52:16 PM
This movie felt like a poor attempt at creating Joss Whedon's Star Wars.

It was so tonally different from every other Star Wars movie that it felt completely off.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2017, 05:55:00 PM
I think we had already seen TFA twice by this point two years ago, but I'm sort of afraid of seeing TLJ again because I think I'd think even less of it than I already do (the RotJ of a lesser trilogy).

Being dragged into seeing R1 twice murdered any positive thoughts I had on it.

I saw TFA in theaters about five times I think. That's how much I liked it. To go from that to TLJ where I don't even want to go to another showing is :mindblown
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2017, 05:56:18 PM
Well at least it looked pretty  :lol

Can't they just make a movie where dudes with cool laser melee weapons fight for 2 hours

I think there's two different camps of star wars fans. People who want cool lightsaber fights and x-wing action sequences, and people who want a character driven sci-fi talky drama. TFA was more the former, TLJ is more the latter. But obviously there's a middle ground somewhere. I mean TLJ has some cool lightsaber fights and opens with a giant space battle (sorta).

ESB is my favorite and it has all of what you described? So...?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bluemax on December 17, 2017, 06:04:57 PM
What did they walk back on?
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-Burn the Jedi texts and claim that good/evil/force exists beyond the Jedi/Resistance. Rey becomes "The Last Jedi" at the last second and the Resistance is reborn.
- Rey tries to convince Luke that "raw strength" with the force can be more than just evil. This isn't ever brought up again.
- Leia "dies" only to be brought back minutes later and completely make Poe's drawn-out story worthless.
-Overstay on Finn/Rose as they have to deal with profiteers and people who play both sides, it amounts to nothing.
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Rey actually stole the Jedi texts, they show them in a drawer on the Falcon when she's flying the remaining 10 resistance members out.
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Movie just had so much wasted shit going on. Benicio del Toro, total waste. Carrie Fisher, mostly a waste. Snoke, wasted. Laura Dern not telling anyone her plan and then Poe realizing its "Brilliance" later was pretty dumb. Phasma, pointless.

It felt like Rian Johnson was given a list of characters with rough attributes and no info about the overall world or what happened in the previous movie so he just ignored everything.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Bebpo on December 17, 2017, 06:05:45 PM
Well at least it looked pretty  :lol

Can't they just make a movie where dudes with cool laser melee weapons fight for 2 hours

I think there's two different camps of star wars fans. People who want cool lightsaber fights and x-wing action sequences, and people who want a character driven sci-fi talky drama. TFA was more the former, TLJ is more the latter. But obviously there's a middle ground somewhere. I mean TLJ has some cool lightsaber fights and opens with a giant space battle (sorta).

ESB is my favorite and it has all of what you described? So...?

Well duh, that’s why ESB is the best!

This movie felt like a poor attempt at creating Joss Whedon's Star Wars.

It was so tonally different from every other Star Wars movie that it felt completely off.

C’mon that’s ridiculous. Whedon movies are silly whimsical with a bit of edge, TLJ is nothing like a whedon work. If you want to say TLJ is a poor man’s anything, than it’s a poor man’s attempt at ESB.

Also it’s not tonally different from all the SW films. ESB is similar. Rogue One as well if that counts.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bluemax on December 17, 2017, 06:08:08 PM
It felt way more like Whedon than ESB. That whole shit at the beginning with Poe trolling Hux was Whedon 101.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2017, 06:08:21 PM
I thought Benicio's character could have been better. Lots of potential that goes nowhere. I fully expected him to double cross the First Order and be the one inside the AT ST and join them.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2017, 06:10:28 PM
Well at least it looked pretty  :lol

Can't they just make a movie where dudes with cool laser melee weapons fight for 2 hours

I think there's two different camps of star wars fans. People who want cool lightsaber fights and x-wing action sequences, and people who want a character driven sci-fi talky drama. TFA was more the former, TLJ is more the latter. But obviously there's a middle ground somewhere. I mean TLJ has some cool lightsaber fights and opens with a giant space battle (sorta).

ESB is my favorite and it has all of what you described? So...?

Well duh, that’s why ESB is the best!

This movie felt like a poor attempt at creating Joss Whedon's Star Wars.

It was so tonally different from every other Star Wars movie that it felt completely off.

C’mon that’s ridiculous. Whedon movies are silly whimsical with a bit of edge, TLJ is nothing like a whedon work. If you want to say TLJ is a poor man’s anything, than it’s a poor man’s attempt at ESB.

Also it’s not tonally different from all the SW films. ESB is similar. Rogue One as well if that counts.

This movie is nothing like Empire and the constant quips and one liners felt like it belonged in a Marvel. I'm fine they didn't go the Empire route. But what we got wasn't good either.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Bebpo on December 17, 2017, 06:47:02 PM
It felt way more like Whedon than ESB. That whole shit at the beginning with Poe trolling Hux was Whedon 101.

So because it has jokes to try to help lighten the dark, bleak and depressing tone, its Whedon like? It felt like the studio threw the constant jokes in because otherwise the movie would've been dark as fuck. But yeah, the quips were funny and sometimes witty, which I guess means they are like Whedon/Marvel because Whedon/Marvel jokes tend to be funny and sometimes witty.

I thought Benicio's character could have been better. Lots of potential that goes nowhere. I fully expected him to double cross the First Order and be the one inside the AT ST and join them.

His character felt underdeveloped, sure. I attributed that to his character being a part of Ep IX, so this is just half his story.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: sinxtanx on December 17, 2017, 07:02:22 PM
I liked this better than TFA.

maybe don't get spoiled
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Yoda fuckin said it: "The greatest teacher, failure is."
I don't think there's any plan in this film with the exception of Luke's final gambit that does not fail in some way.
Dudes had to adapt under some intense pressure
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for me personally the eventual cakewalk victory in IX will be earned

I also fully agree with and don't really care about: all nitpicks
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Freyj on December 17, 2017, 07:02:42 PM
I'm getting so freaking antsy for Half in the Bag.

They just posted a patreon update that they weren’t lying about their tickets getting fucked by fandango, but have seen it and filmed the review and are in the process of editing but it’s a lot to get through
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 17, 2017, 07:04:56 PM
I take back what I said about Episode 9 maybe being good. I didn’t know the Justice League and BvS dude was writing it. This franchise is over.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Bebpo on December 17, 2017, 07:12:56 PM
Yeah, but Abrams is a good filmmaker and knows how to keep things in line. He's like the non-suck version of Michael Bay. I think it should at least be around TFA quality fun ride.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Freyj on December 17, 2017, 07:14:18 PM
I just don’t know what you can do with it that’s all that interesting regardless of the writer.

I have a feeling it’s going to double down on the kids / new hope / new characters business and just  :shaq2
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Bebpo on December 17, 2017, 07:19:13 PM
Have a film that throws out the jedi/sith and is just about people? Rey not becoming a jedi? Ren not just trying to take over everyone? Idk, there's a lot they can do from this point but who knows if they will do more than bad guys are bad, good guys form a rebel party team in one last chance to stop them.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 17, 2017, 07:27:58 PM
I just don’t know what you can do with it that’s all that interesting regardless of the writer.

I have a feeling it’s going to double down on the kids / new hope / new characters business and just  :shaq2

Sounds like it’s time for a new Death Star.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 17, 2017, 07:46:09 PM
2. If a cruiser can lightspeed suicide attack a bigger ship and cut it in half, why haven't they been doing this for years? Death star? No problem, let's just lightspeed a few ships through its core! Like that seems broken overpowered for the star wars universe as there doesn't seem any defense against it.

Yeah, I was thinking about that too. Like why didn’t they just use one of the other two Cruisers that they’d left behind already to do it? It doesn’t seem like the First Order could have stopped them.

But I’ve figured it out:

Interdictors to be introduced in Episode IX. :lawd
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on December 17, 2017, 08:26:26 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/1QghfhD.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2017, 08:57:32 PM
Ah, the defense force brings awful reductionist memes, I see.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 17, 2017, 09:22:57 PM
Really liked it, don’t know what y’all wanted from it
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 17, 2017, 09:33:59 PM
I just wish we got more info on Snoke but overall thought it was a fun ride 🤷‍♀️

edit: Oh bet Disney explains him in another Star Wars movie. You got me, take my money
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BlueTsunami on December 17, 2017, 09:49:06 PM
Really liked it, don’t know what y’all wanted from it

Luke raw dogging one of those island nuns and force closes the hut door when Rey forgets to knock
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: etiolate on December 17, 2017, 09:51:22 PM
Snoke will get explanation in some CGI kids show.

I actually checked out The Clone Wars TV show and that made Anakin's whole story vibe with his character which didn't  happen in the films because the actors had no chemistry.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 17, 2017, 09:52:24 PM
I think Adam Driver does a great job in this movie too.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2017, 09:57:20 PM
Really liked it, don’t know what y’all wanted from it

Good characters, no filler, a tone that doesn't take you out of the movie because it shifts from serious to lighthearted constantly to the point where nothing is taken seriously, consistent internal logic, better editing, better character motivations, non-distinguished mentally-challenged characters;etc

Luke is great though.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on December 17, 2017, 10:00:38 PM
 :(
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on December 17, 2017, 10:08:46 PM
I think Adam Driver does a great job in this movie too.
I've seen Adam Driver in a bunch of stuff now, before i'd usually usually go in skeptical of his involvement, but he's completely won me over as an actor and i look for his films now. Silence sealed it for me
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Freyj on December 17, 2017, 10:12:24 PM
He’s outstanding in Patterson.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Freyj on December 17, 2017, 10:22:06 PM
Also I loved TFA and if I remember Cindi did as well. That said I don’t think you need to play it that safe to make a good Star Wars movie.

I really can’t agree TLJ is risky either. Maybe Luke? But everyone keeps yelling about subverting expectations when the only expectation this really subverted for me was the expectation of a TFA quality movie by who I thought to be a better director. Maybe it’s the lack of Kasdan I dunno.

What I do know is a couple of hack frauds In Milwaukee better hurry up.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 17, 2017, 11:15:39 PM
One of the things I really liked was bringing back the mysticism of The Force in a big way, Luke even referred to it as a "religion"! None of that midichlorian nonsense anymore. :rejoice
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2017, 11:24:47 PM
One of the things I really liked was bringing back the mysticism of The Force in a big way, Luke even referred to it as a "religion"! None of that midichlorian nonsense anymore. :rejoice

Yes. The vision of the island was amazing.

Then it was all promptly ignored and not followed up on. :rejoice
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on December 17, 2017, 11:33:53 PM
That was actually lost island and the polar bear lives in the hole.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Freyj on December 18, 2017, 12:39:04 AM
One of the things I really liked was bringing back the mysticism of The Force in a big way, Luke even referred to it as a "religion"! None of that midichlorian nonsense anymore. :rejoice

I just wanted more of this and was frustrated every time the film cut to a scene without any Sith or Jedi.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on December 18, 2017, 12:40:16 AM
'Tis ranking time:
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5 > 4 > 6 > 8 > 7 > R1 > 3 > 1 >>> 2

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Hell, the more I think about Ep. 8 the more I think it's just as good as the Return of the Jedi.
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If not better.  :doge
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on December 18, 2017, 12:42:33 AM
Ummm, not sure why all the hate for the movie. I liked it way better than Force Awakens. At the very least it surprised me more and left me with more to think about rather than just "ok, this is just a retread of every Star Wars trope from the past 30 years." Although certain things you could see coming from a mile away. It did bend over backwards trying to subvert certain expectations, I liked how Rey's parents were ordinary people and not Han and Leia or Luke like everyone thought.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on December 18, 2017, 12:43:26 AM
'Tis ranking time:
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5 > 4 > 6 > 8 > 7 > R1 > 3 > 1 >>> 2

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I'm ok with this, but I may flip 7 and R1 positions, or possibly tie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Freyj on December 18, 2017, 12:55:22 AM
Ummm, not sure why all the hate for the movie. I liked it way better than Force Awakens. At the very least it surprised me more and left me with more to think about rather than just "ok, this is just a retread of every Star Wars trope from the past 30 years." Although certain things you could see coming from a mile away. It did bend over backwards trying to subvert certain expectations, I liked how Rey's parents were ordinary people and not Han and Leia or Luke like everyone thought.

This was the dumb mystery box of TFA mostly because people wouldn't shut the fuck up about it but it doesn't really affect my enjoyment of the film in the least.

I've seen a lot of people say Snoke was a JJ mystery box too, which doesn't really make any more sense than saying Palpatine is a mystery box in ANH / Empire. There's some interesting Sith-y stuff they could've done to fuck with Kylo post throne room standoff but as it was Snoke just has a dumb look on his CGI monster face and falls over. Waste of time.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on December 18, 2017, 12:58:21 AM
Imo it was a wasted opportunity to kill off Smoke so early. I just can't take Kylo seriously as a villain. He's so awkward and goofy. He even fights goofy. Was that intentional?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2017, 01:03:17 AM
>"It's time to end the Jedi, the First Order, the Rebels, all of it."

Hux shows up

>still a part of the First Order

Very risk, much development

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: etiolate on December 18, 2017, 02:11:09 AM
I still don't get how Vader and Palpatine couldn't wipe out the rebellion and ended up losing to it.

But soyboy Vader and Snope (who goes out like snap) knock down the rebellion to ten people?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 18, 2017, 07:23:16 AM
One thing that did annoy me about the film was that it creates a problem out of nowhere for itself to solve (hyperspace tracking). If they had the FO just suddenly show up and never really tried to explain it with long complicated techno mumbo-jumbo I wouldn't have even had any issue with it. Had it just been something being bugged on the Republic ships, I would have rolled with it... like that episode of Battlestar Galactica. My girlfriend actually suggested that what if Poe had been secretly bugged when he was captured? They could have done something with that.

But they clearly concocted the problem so that they could introduce Rose to be the smarty who figures it out and so Finn and Rose could go on the romp together. They could have still had the little tangent if it had been Poe bugged. Finn and Poe off on an adventure to build their relationship... but then they wouldn't have had the plot of Poe needing to learn how to become a proper leader.

So while I understand - from a plotting and narrative point of view - why they did what they did, the setup of it was a bit clumsy.

Also... I saw on Twitter earlier that they actually talk about Hyperspace Tracking in Rogue One and imply it's being worked on... so actually THAT movie invents a problem that TLJ decides to solve.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: kingv on December 18, 2017, 08:41:32 AM
I think Adam Driver does a great job in this movie too.
I've seen Adam Driver in a bunch of stuff now, before i'd usually usually go in skeptical of his involvement, but he's completely won me over as an actor and i look for his films now. Silence sealed it for me

He looks like such a bitch though. Especially in this movie.

Edit: he’s got one of those faces where he’ll probably look like a grizzled bad ass at 50 as l By as he refuses to take care of
Himself and develops a solid drug/alcohol addiction.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: kingv on December 18, 2017, 08:49:29 AM
Ummm, not sure why all the hate for the movie. I liked it way better than Force Awakens. At the very least it surprised me more and left me with more to think about rather than just "ok, this is just a retread of every Star Wars trope from the past 30 years." Although certain things you could see coming from a mile away. It did bend over backwards trying to subvert certain expectations, I liked how Rey's parents were ordinary people and not Han and Leia or Luke like everyone thought.

This was the dumb mystery box of TFA mostly because people wouldn't shut the fuck up about it but it doesn't really affect my enjoyment of the film in the least.

I've seen a lot of people say Snoke was a JJ mystery box too, which doesn't really make any more sense than saying Palpatine is a mystery box in ANH / Empire. There's some interesting Sith-y stuff they could've done to fuck with Kylo post throne room standoff but as it was Snoke just has a dumb look on his CGI monster face and falls over. Waste of time.

I was thinking about this too. ANH never really establishes why the Empire is bad, who they are, or why we should care. But I have no problem accepting it as the first movie in the series.

I think why it’s annoying in TLJ/TFA is because it’s a sequel. There was a presumed status quo where the rebels won after ROTJ. Clearly something happened where they didn’t really win. Snoke came from somewhere and the first Order rose to Power somehow. There just seems to be a big gap in the story.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 18, 2017, 10:32:27 AM
JJ has built his entire early career on nothing but mystery boxes, so I don't know why people thought anything in TFA was ever intended to have a payoff/explanation.

"Who are Rey's parents? Where did Snoke come from?"

Y'all realize the dude responsible for Lost is making you ask these questions, right?

:hitler
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 18, 2017, 10:41:46 AM
I need to see this again, because the more I've thought about it, the more I think I may like it even moreso than TFA.

My ranking:

Empire > New Hope > Force Awakens > Last Jedi > Return of the Jedi > Revenge of the Sith > Phantom Menace > Attack of the Clones
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 18, 2017, 10:44:39 AM
The Force Awakens is an objectively better made movie. I like The Last Jedi better.

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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: samfish on December 18, 2017, 10:50:22 AM
I read the spoilers and honestly lost all interest in seeing the movie. My takeaways were that Luke is a badass who dies for nothing, Snoke was a waste of time, Finn is pointless and Poe gets elevated but didn’t really earn in as far as character development goes.

Oh and in the end, Rey really did turn out to be a Mary Sue.

I feel like I can wait for it to come available for download.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 18, 2017, 10:54:46 AM
The Force Awakens is an objectively better made movie. I like The Last Jedi better.

:yeshrug

Hmm, I can see that honestly. TFA is a tighter movie with a more focused narrative/character arcs. TLJ tries to do more and has more to say, it doesn't succeed in everything but it at least makes attempts.

I would say I agree with this take.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: zomgee on December 18, 2017, 10:56:38 AM
It's nice to see Attack of the Clones so consistently crapped on.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mandark on December 18, 2017, 11:00:40 AM
The movie's got some problems, but the stuff that seems to have really upset people (throwing fan theories in the woodchipper) is a big part of what I actually liked in it.
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Post by: agrajag on December 18, 2017, 11:03:24 AM
The movie's got some problems, but the stuff that seems to have really upset people (throwing fan theories in the woodchipper) is a big part of what I actually liked in it.

What was up with the master cracker twist? Benicia del Toro was great, but the other one seemed like a cool playboy type character.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 18, 2017, 11:05:38 AM
The movie's got some problems, but the stuff that seems to have really upset people (throwing fan theories in the woodchipper) is a big part of what I actually liked in it.

I liked what they did with Luke, Rey, and Kylo. Rey not being some savior child from an anointed family is a better direction because it fits in with the theme of the film.

They did Finn a bit dirty honestly and his side of the story was underdeveloped. Finn is one of the most interesting characters. He's literally a former child slave that rebelled against his master. His confrontation with his slave master didn't have the weight it should have had. We'll see if they bring it back or if Phasma is truly gone for good.


What was up with the master cracker twist? Benicia del Toro was great, but the other one seemed like a cool playboy type character.
I honestly thought they were hinting that the girl with the playboy was the actual cracker. Then when Del Toro was revealed I thought that it would be revealed that he actually WAS the cracker but lost the lapel in a gamble... but they didn't do that either. So it's weird that they just randomly found another dude who could do the thing they flew across the galaxy to do.

That's assuming they won't save a reveal for the next movie.... or a standalone film.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 18, 2017, 11:07:55 AM
See, I must have misunderstood that part.  I took it as del Toro's character WAS the master cracker who lost all on his person to the dude wearing the red broach during a game of blackjack/some table game – including the broach/pin.  Since he had nothing else on him, he must have tried to steal and was thus imprisoned.

Perhaps I'm wrong.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on December 18, 2017, 11:09:07 AM
I have a feeling they might still reveal Rey's parents to be someone important. Kylo could just be lying. The whole "let the past die" thing he was on was weird.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Freyj on December 18, 2017, 11:09:26 AM
JJ has built his entire early career on nothing but mystery boxes, so I don't know why people thought anything in TFA was ever intended to have a payoff/explanation.

"Who are Rey's parents? Where did Snoke come from?"

Y'all realize the dude responsible for Lost is making you ask these questions, right?

:hitler

I really don’t think Snoke is a JJ Mystery Box and I’ve wasted a lot of time with JJ Mystery Boxes. He’s really no different than ANH / Empire Palpatine.

I assumed the answer to “where the fuck was he between OT and ST” is the Thrawn answer. I also wish they had just done the Thrawn trilogy.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 18, 2017, 11:09:31 AM
See, I must have misunderstood that part.  I took it as del Toro's character WAS the master cracker who lost all on his person to the dude wearing the red broach during a game of blackjack/some table game – including the broach/pin.  Since he had nothing else on him, he must have tried to steal and was thus imprisoned.

Perhaps I'm wrong.

I mean that might be the truth but they didn't really do much to imply it. It's not really a huge plot point so the fact that they didn't reveal it means to me that it isn't the case.
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Post by: agrajag on December 18, 2017, 11:10:27 AM
See, I must have misunderstood that part.  I took it as del Toro's character WAS the master cracker who lost all on his person to the dude wearing the red broach during a game of blackjack/some table game – including the broach/pin.  Since he had nothing else on him, he must have tried to steal and was thus imprisoned.

Perhaps I'm wrong.

I mean that might be the truth but they didn't really do much to imply it. It's not really a huge plot point so the fact that they didn't reveal it means to me that it isn't the case.

Exactly. It's not a plot hole, just kind of bloated story telling
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mandark on December 18, 2017, 11:10:53 AM
We need to get to the bottom of this, cause it's canon that one of these dudes fucked Moz and I want to know which one.
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Post by: headwalk on December 18, 2017, 11:14:11 AM
They did Finn a bit dirty honestly and his side of the story was underdeveloped. Finn is one of the most interesting characters. He's literally a former child slave that rebelled against his master. His confrontation with his slave master didn't have the weight it should have had. We'll see if they bring it back or if Phasma is truly gone for good.

see, i can't put these things together.

finn was supposedly indoctrinated from a young age into a space nazi death cult, yet he's one of the most well adjusted and personable people in the films. it's like they had written this charming, sorta self serving but not really potential love interest then realised they hadn't tagged the "ex stormtrooper" box and randomly pinned it on someone who was previously a totally unrelated character.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 18, 2017, 11:17:21 AM
Right, his arc so far is separate from his origins. Which is kinda lame. There's a chance they might be able to reorient and give him something in the 3rd film, we'll see.
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Post by: kingv on December 18, 2017, 11:49:12 AM
JJ has built his entire early career on nothing but mystery boxes, so I don't know why people thought anything in TFA was ever intended to have a payoff/explanation.

"Who are Rey's parents? Where did Snoke come from?"

Y'all realize the dude responsible for Lost is making you ask these questions, right?

:hitler

Excellent point, because Lost is a show I loved at the time but hate in retrospect, for this very reason.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Freyj on December 18, 2017, 12:06:48 PM
Finn was sacrificed on the altar of Rose for some reason.

Poe at the altar of Holdo, which could’ve made a decent point if he didn’t end up a war criminal and Holdo’s actions nonsensical (withholding the plan for no apparent reason and waiting until 80% of the Resistance is dead before deciding to do something useful with the big ship).
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Post by: agrajag on December 18, 2017, 12:09:08 PM
Why did she need to stay on the ship again? Did she do anything that couldn't have been accomplished by a droid or auto pilot?
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Post by: TVC15 on December 18, 2017, 12:14:44 PM
We need to get to the bottom of this, cause it's canon that one of these dudes fucked Moz and I want to know which one.

Benicio would definitely fuck Moz. He looks like he has no standards and would be down for fucking something with lizard skin.
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Post by: ToxicAdam on December 18, 2017, 12:23:43 PM
They had a great chance to give Finn a cool arc where he defects, realizes the other side is just as unethical, then eventually come back around to saving his friends when they need him the most (at the end). 

I suppose they can still do that in the third movie, but they really should have played up his inner turmoil in this one.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 18, 2017, 12:24:21 PM
Why did she need to stay on the ship again? Did she do anything that couldn't have been accomplished by a droid or auto pilot?

This movie is basically a WW2 movie and is operating on the logic from 1940's tech. The entire conceit that the ships are juuuussst able to stay out in front only makes sense if you're talking about actual ships and not space ships.
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Post by: agrajag on December 18, 2017, 12:28:32 PM
Why did she need to stay on the ship again? Did she do anything that couldn't have been accomplished by a droid or auto pilot?

This movie is basically a WW2 movie and is operating on the logic from 1940's tech. The entire conceit that the ships are juuuussst able to stay out in front only makes sense if you're talking about actual ships and not space ships.

True. They also had trench warfare. But the part I pointed out is especially hard to buy when they constantly explicitly show droids piloting ships.

On another note, how did Luke die? Did he force seppuku himself?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 18, 2017, 12:36:20 PM
Why did she need to stay on the ship again? Did she do anything that couldn't have been accomplished by a droid or auto pilot?

This movie is basically a WW2 movie and is operating on the logic from 1940's tech. The entire conceit that the ships are juuuussst able to stay out in front only makes sense if you're talking about actual ships and not space ships.

True. They also had trench warfare. But the part I pointed out is especially hard to buy when they constantly explicitly show droids piloting ships.

On another note, how did Luke die? Did he force seppuku himself?

He became one with the force, yeah. Same as Obi-wan and Yoda.
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Post by: agrajag on December 18, 2017, 12:41:46 PM
I always thought that Yoda died of natural causes and Qui Gon and Obi Wan became force ghosts when they were struck down with a mortal blow. Wasn't sure if they could just will themselves into becoming a force ghost. Although that would make sense, since Vader hit air when he struck him, Obi Wan already vanished.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on December 18, 2017, 12:46:17 PM
I always thought that Yoda died of natural causes and Qui Gon and Obi Wan became force ghosts when they were struck down with a mortal blow. Wasn't sure if they could just will themselves into becoming a force ghost. Although that would make sense, since Vader hit air when he struck him, Obi Wan already vanished.

*puts on nerd hat*

If you will go back and watch their respective deaths, Obi-wan and Yoda clearly fade away to nothing- Obi-wan's robes collapse as Vader strikes him down, the covers fall down into the bed as Yoda disappears. Qui Gon does not become one with the force for whatever reason as he dies, he's impaled and falls down, clearly leaving a body behind.
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Post by: Freyj on December 18, 2017, 01:12:52 PM
Why did she need to stay on the ship again? Did she do anything that couldn't have been accomplished by a droid or auto pilot?

So much cleaner explanation if she immediately suicide runs the dreadnought but then Finn / Rose subplot is even more useless. Finn / Rose murder this film.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2017, 01:35:34 PM
The movie's got some problems, but the stuff that seems to have really upset people (throwing fan theories in the woodchipper) is a big part of what I actually liked in it.

Did they really though? I'm fine with Rey being from nothing but Snoke is just this mega powerful sith dude who came from nowhere. Like what the fuck. You could say killing Snoke without telling the audience how in the fuck he rebuilt the Empire after their loss is "throwing fan theories in the wood chipper". I just call it bad storytelling.
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Post by: Mandark on December 18, 2017, 01:41:37 PM
The original trilogy just had the Emperor as some mega powerful sith dude and didn't explain how he'd brought about the downfall of the Republic, and I preferred it to the prequels which explained all that.
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Post by: Himu on December 18, 2017, 01:50:49 PM
The original trilogy just had the Emperor as some mega powerful sith dude and didn't explain how he'd brought about the downfall of the Republic, and I preferred it to the prequels which explained all that.

Come the fuck on.

That was thirty years ago. You can suspend your belief with the Emperor. It doesn't really matter. He's the dude that seduced Anakin to the dark side. That's what matters. You can get some bits and pieces and that's fine. But these were the original films. There is no precedent because they were the first to do it.

So you've got the rebels win. Establish a new republic. Now you make a sequel. The stakes and expectations are now different. If you're making a fucking sequel you explain exactly how all this shit went down. Otherwise it's just a massive gap. You can convince yourself that "the emperor isn't developed too much either" and that's true, but Snoke came from the ether after the rebels won, managed to build such a crazy ass super weapon without anyone knowing. Where did he come from? How did the republic lose its power? These are viable questions given that it's a sequel. Instead, we get some stupid video game answer. Fucking Mega Man shit. DR WILEY IS BACK AND THE LOOSE AGAIN!!!:drudge bullshit and you're supposed to take it seriously as a viable answer because "you don't know anything about the emperor either!"

I think it's bad storytelling. You make a sequel to one of the most popular series of all time, you give every single detail as to what the fuck happened in the shortest manner possible.

It's like they took the politics criticism of the prequels to the absolute extreme and decided to under develop everything and expect you to go along with it.

Also it's funny. The people who defend the under developed character of Snoke as "it's the same as the emperor!" are the same people throwing rocks at people and saying we don't like TLJ or whatever because "it's not like the original trilogy."

The entire thing is a massive fucking cop out. And unlike the Emperor, who seduced Anakin to the dark side, it's revealed that it's fucking Luke who pushes Kylo to the dark side! Therefore, WHAT IN THE ENTIRE HELL IS THE POINT OF SNOKE???

:beli
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Post by: Himu on December 18, 2017, 02:01:29 PM
That said, I don't completely blame Rian. He apparently walked in on day one with NOTHING on the board for future sequels.

Disney and Lucasfilm actually took this series and did not make the sequel trilogy with a layout and JJ didn't make a fucking sketch for the overall arc of the new trilogy. They completely threw out George Lucas' plans. They are literally making it up as they go along. They're just winging it. Yet they want you to buy tickets for episode 9.

:sabu

(https://i.imgur.com/2mTv0o2.jpg?1)

Again, I agree with Luke. Just kill Star Wars.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 18, 2017, 02:05:08 PM
yikes... honestly discussing shit with you is like trying to reason with a firehose  :lol
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 18, 2017, 02:07:32 PM
good lord
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Post by: Himu on December 18, 2017, 02:08:39 PM
:lol Try me.
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Post by: zomgee on December 18, 2017, 02:38:25 PM
kinda feel bad for starting the shit talking now
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 18, 2017, 02:51:38 PM
Why did she need to stay on the ship again? Did she do anything that couldn't have been accomplished by a droid or auto pilot?

Never trust a droid to do a [wo]man's job.
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Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 18, 2017, 02:52:57 PM
Calling it now: Cindy will be positive on this movie by the time 9 rolls out
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Post by: Mandark on December 18, 2017, 02:53:44 PM
Come the fuck on.

That was thirty years ago. You can suspend your belief with the Emperor. It doesn't really matter. He's the dude that seduced Anakin to the dark side. That's what matters. You can get some bits and pieces and that's fine. But these were the original films. There is no precedent because they were the first to do it.

So you've got the rebels win. Establish a new republic. Now you make a sequel. The stakes and expectations are now different. If you're making a fucking sequel you explain exactly how all this shit went down. Otherwise it's just a massive gap. You can convince yourself that "the emperor isn't developed too much either" and that's true, but Snoke came from the ether after the rebels won, managed to build such a crazy ass super weapon without anyone knowing. Where did he come from? How did the republic lose its power? These are viable questions given that it's a sequel. Instead, we get some stupid video game answer. Fucking Mega Man shit. DR WILEY IS BACK AND THE LOOSE AGAIN!!!:drudge bullshit and you're supposed to take it seriously as a viable answer because "you don't know anything about the emperor either!"

I think it's bad storytelling. You make a sequel to one of the most popular series of all time, you give every single detail as to what the fuck happened in the shortest manner possible.

It's like they took the politics criticism of the prequels to the absolute extreme and decided to under develop everything and expect you to go along with it.

Also it's funny. The people who defend the under developed character of Snoke as "it's the same as the emperor!" are the same people throwing rocks at people and saying we don't like TLJ or whatever because "it's not like the original trilogy."

The entire thing is a massive fucking cop out. And unlike the Emperor, who seduced Anakin to the dark side, it's revealed that it's fucking Luke who pushes Kylo to the dark side! Therefore, WHAT IN THE ENTIRE HELL IS THE POINT OF SNOKE???


nah still don't care
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 18, 2017, 02:56:02 PM
The original trilogy just had the Emperor as some mega powerful sith dude and didn't explain how he'd brought about the downfall of the Republic, and I preferred it to the prequels which explained all that.

That worked for the OT, way back when we didn’t know anything about this universe, but a Snoke with no backstory doesn’t fly now that all the details of the past 50 years of the Star Wars universe’s history have been filled in.
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Post by: Himu on December 18, 2017, 02:57:18 PM
Calling it now: Cindy will be positive on this movie by the time 9 rolls out

Ah right. "I don't have any real rebuttals so I'm just going to go with low hanging fruit and make a joke about this person on their expense" typical fan thing defense.

What do you wanna bet I feel the same way? Of course, that's assuming I'm alive when Ep 9 is released, which I don't plan on seeing.
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Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 18, 2017, 03:04:46 PM
You = worked up.

Me = just liked the movie, don’t care you didn’t

You seem out to prove the movie is objectively bad, that doesn’t mean everyone who disagrees with you thinks it’s objectively good.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 18, 2017, 03:06:54 PM
Snoke should have had some kind of a context before being killed off. If they try to do it in 9, it'll be a lame attempt to contextualize him.

Doesn't make the movie bad.
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Post by: Himu on December 18, 2017, 03:07:47 PM
Snoke should have had some kind of a context before being killed off. If they try to do it in 9, it'll be a lame attempt to contextualize him.

Doesn't make the movie bad.

It's just one of many reasons it's bad.

You = worked up.

Me = just liked the movie, don’t care you didn’t

You seem out to prove the movie is objectively bad, that doesn’t mean everyone who disagrees with you thinks it’s objectively good.

I just haven't seen any compelling reason why people think it's objectively good.
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Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 18, 2017, 03:10:23 PM
Well that’s because trying to prove a movie objectively good or bad is majorly pointless. I enjoyed the experience of viewing the movie, it was subjectively good to me 🤷‍♀️
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 18, 2017, 03:15:10 PM

I just haven't seen any compelling reason why people think it's objectively good.

I don't know why you feel the need the stomp in here and grab everyone by the collar screaming JUSTIFY YOUR ENJOYMENT OF THING.

I rather liked the movie - I've talked about a few of the reasons. I've also talked about some of the things I didn't like about it. Why this is being approached as if you're either for or against is kinda lame tbh. Don't gotta be so aggressive about this.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 18, 2017, 03:17:16 PM
This movie has one of the very few times a CGI *moment* actually wowed me - with the hyperspace kamikaze. Pretty much everything about that moment was awe-inspiring.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 18, 2017, 03:19:58 PM
And I think the greatest strength of this movie is that it managed to bring Yoda back and not completely fuck it up. In fact it ended up being one of the best scenes in the movie. I almost cringed at first because it kinda sort looked CGI? I think my brain expected it to be CGI. Then I realized it was a puppet and Yoda started being the Yoda we remember from the OT and I settled in. Its weird to say buy the chemistry and report between Luke and Yoda was on point.
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Post by: Himu on December 18, 2017, 03:22:45 PM
Whatever.
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Post by: Mandark on December 18, 2017, 03:29:47 PM
That worked for the OT, way back when we didn’t know anything about this universe, but a Snoke with no backstory doesn’t fly now that all the details of the past 50 years of the Star Wars universe’s history have been filled in.

Do you think it would have actually improved the movie to spend time on his biography? Unless the details of his rise to power would be relevant to the movie's story, might as well let the EU flesh it out in a graphic novel or whatever.
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Post by: agrajag on December 18, 2017, 03:36:49 PM
That worked for the OT, way back when we didn’t know anything about this universe, but a Snoke with no backstory doesn’t fly now that all the details of the past 50 years of the Star Wars universe’s history have been filled in.

Do you think it would have actually improved the movie to spend time on his biography? Unless the details of his rise to power would be relevant to the movie's story, might as well let the EU flesh it out in a graphic novel or whatever.

That's always been the Star Wars way .
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 18, 2017, 03:42:24 PM
Why did she need to stay on the ship again? Did she do anything that couldn't have been accomplished by a droid or auto pilot?

Fuck you, Gordon
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Post by: toku on December 18, 2017, 03:46:58 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRMD2uGWkAAWZ67.jpg:large)
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Post by: TVC15 on December 18, 2017, 03:52:44 PM
That worked for the OT, way back when we didn’t know anything about this universe, but a Snoke with no backstory doesn’t fly now that all the details of the past 50 years of the Star Wars universe’s history have been filled in.

Do you think it would have actually improved the movie to spend time on his biography? Unless the details of his rise to power would be relevant to the movie's story, might as well let the EU flesh it out in a graphic novel or whatever.

They could’ve found 5 minutes (or less) to cram something vague in there. I needed something because idgaf about the EU.
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Post by: Bebpo on December 18, 2017, 04:11:38 PM
Apparently they cut out a ton to cram it down to 2.5 hours, so finding that 5 mins to do so was probably harder than it seems.

Then again, I don’t care at all. Dude was less interesting than Jar Jar Binks. Lame generic copy of OT evil emperor.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 18, 2017, 04:23:21 PM
I'm interested in seeing if they do some kind of extended cut with some of that put back in.
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Post by: Himu on December 18, 2017, 04:32:14 PM
An extended cut? They should have cut the fat from the Finn storyline. The fact they thought that was more important than filling out details on Snoke and other characterization makes no sense. An extended cut would is the last thing the movie needs.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 18, 2017, 04:33:06 PM
Regarding some of the stuff we talked about earlier regarding Lucas' original vision for Star Wars and its ties to Flash Gordon and serials, a few years back Dark Horse took one of the early (1974) drafts of "The Star Wars" script and drew an eight issue comic out of it:
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THE STAR WARS
Until the recent GREAT REBELLION, the JEDI-BENDU were
the most feared warriors in the universe. For one hundred thousand
years, generations of JEDI perfected their art as the personal
bodyguards of the Emperor. They were the chief architects of the
invincible IMPERIAL SPACE FORCE, which expanded the EMPIRE
across the galaxy, from the celestial equator to the farthest
reaches of the GREAT RIFT.

Now these legendary warriors are all but extinct. One by one
they have been hunted down and destroyed as enemies of the
NEW EMPIRE by a ferocious and sinister rival warrior sect,
THE KNIGHTS OF SITH.

The basic scope of the plot beats after the first chapter (which is set in the time Rogue One wound up being in) are almost all there, especially every action-adventure set piece. Droids crash on a "wastes" planet with secret royal data, "Luke" and "Annikin" who happen to live there and be Jedi or Jedi-related/adjacent rescue them and then head to a spaceport where they meet Han Solo, Leia gets captured in the MOON LIKE Space Fortress that they have to break into, Luke flies some fighters to blow up the MOON LIKE Space Fortress, etc. But all the characterization, the lore, etc. is entirely different. Darth Vader winds up not fighting anyone because the real Obi-Wan equivalent dies earlier in the story, Han Solo isn't human, they pick up Chewbacca as an ally during their planet hopping rather than him being on the "Falcon" as Han's buddy, all of the Force stuff is totally different other than lightsabers (though they might be called laser swords or something), etc. but a lot of the alterations are because we're comparing 40 years of franchise history to a 1974 script written while Lucas was still trying to acquire the Flash Gordon rights. Actually, some of that stuff like the lightsabers or how the ships are drawn may just be the artists reflecting the Star Wars we did get more than what Lucas envisioned back then. I think in the deluxe hardcover they talk about when the script wasn't clear on things they sided with the actual films (or earlier versions like the human Jabba) rather than make things entirely unfamiliar. Like all the rebel ships for the attack on the MOON LIKE Space Fortress are just straight up regular ones from the films.

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The funny thing about Lucas allowing it to be done was that it finally put a confirmed by himself lie to his entire claims back in the 70s and 80s about always having a nine part or twelve part film series, and Anakin being Luke and Leia's father, etc. :doge

Starkiller and Skywalker are two separate characters, actually three at the start, Lucas jumbled them up so as to reduce one character from the script and renamed Starkiller to Skywalker. Luke and Leia are definitely never hinted at being related, nor Annikin and Leia. Hell, they don't even meet until the end award ceremony scene.

Had he not trimmed the script, and I read this before about other later versions, it probably would have taken two films to tell this version of The Star Wars. Then he slashed it up after doing American Graffiti and realizing how much useless fat there was.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 18, 2017, 04:39:54 PM
Honestly tho, who gives a shit about Snoke? I'm glad they killed him off, he was boring. These new films have given us the most interesting, best developed villain in the SW universe in Kylo Ren as far as I'm concerned. More focus on an interesting, well developed villain with history and motivation and less on these Snidely Whiplash cornball motherfuckers, plz.
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Post by: Himu on December 18, 2017, 04:42:12 PM
Kylo is cool but I dislike how they backtracked with him
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 18, 2017, 04:43:18 PM
Whatever.

hey, i feel bad. i didn't mean to make you feel discouraged about talking about the movie. so sorry. i just wanted to lightly suggest best to pull back a bit on how aggressive you were being, but i probably came off a little condescending.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 18, 2017, 04:48:13 PM
An extended cut? They should have cut the fat from the Finn storyline. The fact they thought that was more important than filling out details on Snoke and other characterization makes no sense. An extended cut would is the last thing the movie needs.

As much as I would want to learn about Snoke, at the end of the day how does his backstory add to the main arc with Rey and Kylo?
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 18, 2017, 04:49:35 PM
Other than the prequel-esque shiny CGI feel of Canto Bight, I enjoyed the movie.

I don't care if that bothers you. You not enjoying it doesn't bother me.
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Post by: TVC15 on December 18, 2017, 04:53:48 PM
An extended cut? They should have cut the fat from the Finn storyline. The fact they thought that was more important than filling out details on Snoke and other characterization makes no sense. An extended cut would is the last thing the movie needs.

As much as I would want to learn about Snoke, at the end of the day how does his backstory add to the main arc with Rey and Kylo?

A dude that came out of nowhere with big force powers and somehow managed to become the leader of the remnants of the Empire deserves at least a little backstory. Yes, he comes across as a lame clone of the Emperor, but the fact that he existed in two of these movies mens I need something about his backstory. Also, Serkis did a great job with him.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 18, 2017, 05:01:58 PM
Doesn't matter, TVC. These movies aren't really working towards reaching any sort of comprehensible end goal.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 18, 2017, 05:04:29 PM
An extended cut? They should have cut the fat from the Finn storyline. The fact they thought that was more important than filling out details on Snoke and other characterization makes no sense. An extended cut would is the last thing the movie needs.

As much as I would want to learn about Snoke, at the end of the day how does his backstory add to the main arc with Rey and Kylo?

A dude that came out of nowhere with big force powers and somehow managed to become the leader of the remnants of the Empire deserves at least a little backstory. Yes, he comes across as a lame clone of the Emperor, but the fact that he existed in two of these movies mens I need something about his backstory. Also, Serkis did a great job with him.

Again, I understand that desire to know, but to me it's inconsequential to the character development of Kylo, Rey, and even Luke.  Kylo has no love for the man, he simply exists for Kylo as his Emperor figure to his Vader.  Kylo killing him means much more to the audience's journey through Kylo's psyche than trying to understand or even humanize Snoke's intentions.

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Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 18, 2017, 05:07:27 PM
Doesn't matter, TVC. These movies aren't really working towards reaching any sort of comprehensible end goal.

I think there's an end goal for the characters. Well, for Kylo, Ren, and Poe at least. I dunno what they want to do with Finn.

End goal for the world? Probably not. They want to leave things open to continue the franchise forever.
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Post by: Himu on December 18, 2017, 05:08:35 PM
No it doesn't. Kylo kills the dude, then goes on to kill the guards, but still fights for the first order.

If it were treated in a manner where Sith Lord kills master to become the next master it'd work, but it wasn't treated like that in any manner.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 18, 2017, 05:12:24 PM
Kylo doesn't go on to fight for the FO. He becomes the leader of the FO. He kills Snoke because he takes the suggestions from Rey and the influences from Snoke and interprets them in a different way. In Rey's opinion you should learn from the past and bring elements from the past with you (she takes the Jedi books). Kylo wants to destroy the past and move on. Burn it all. Snoke is an element from his past, same as Luke. He destroys his past and assumes the leadership because he feels he can fix it. He thinks he and Rey are the same and they can fix it. Rey rejects this.

The interesting aspect - to me - is that Luke has similar views to Kylo, but again just a different interpretation of the same concept.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 18, 2017, 05:13:24 PM
I guess my biggest problem with these new movies is the same problem I had with the prequels, in that I never feel like I'm watching a movie so much as I feel like I'm watching someone play a Star Wars video game.
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Post by: etiolate on December 18, 2017, 05:14:55 PM
Kylo was much better in TLJ, but I thought his character was lame as hell in TFA. I've said it before, but he kept reminding me of JP from Grandma's Boy. 

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Post by: eleuin on December 18, 2017, 05:16:20 PM
After ruminating on it, the most egregious thing the movie did was kill ackbar
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Post by: Himu on December 18, 2017, 05:16:44 PM
Kylo doesn't go on to fight for the FO. He becomes the leader of the FO. He kills Snoke because he takes the suggestions from Rey and the influences from Snoke and interprets them in a different way. In Rey's opinion you should learn from the past and bring elements from the past with you (she takes the Jedi books). Kylo wants to destroy the past and move on. Burn it all. Snoke is an element from his past, same as Luke. He destroys his past and assumes the leadership because he feels he can fix it. He thinks he and Rey are the same and they can fix it. Rey rejects this.

The interesting aspect - to me - is that Luke has similar views to Kylo, but again just a different interpretation of the same concept.

Does Kylo not deliberately say "destroy the Jedi, the first order;etc all of it? And rule the galaxy together?"

So he back tracked. He's still a part of the first order when he deliberately said "fuck the first order" or am I remember his dialogue wrong?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2017, 05:17:20 PM
I guess my biggest problem with these new movies is the same problem I had with the prequels, in that I never feel like I'm watching a movie so much as I feel like I'm watching someone play a Star Wars video game.

Right?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 18, 2017, 05:21:43 PM

Does Kylo not deliberately say "destroy the Jedi, the first order;etc all of it? And rule the galaxy together?"

So he back tracked. He's still a part of the first order when he deliberately said "fuck the first order"

I don't recall if he specifically wanted to destroy the FO rather than take control. I recall the intention was the use the entire force of the FO to fix everything. He saw the power vacuum and wanted to use it. His killing of Snoke is meant to be viewed as a face-turn but then revealed to be more of a coup. He saw himself and Rey as being able to use the entire force of the FO for "good" or whatever he views as good.

Then Rey rejects him. He hedged him bets on it and it doesn't go the way he wanted.

Stuff like this - where a character contradicts themselves - is meant to inform the character. Kylo is insecure and his choices are based on his insecurities.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 18, 2017, 05:21:58 PM
You not enjoying it doesn't bother me.
Oh just you wait for my masterplan to come to full fruition.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 18, 2017, 05:25:34 PM
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The reason the Thrawn Trilogy was/is so praised was not that it's brilliantly written, it's not significantly better than most licensed novels of the era

Come on, the other licensed novels of the era were like the Kevin J Anderson trilogy, The Courtship of Princess Leia, The Truce at Bakura, and other shitty books.

The Thrawn trilogy is like The Sound and the Fury next to that trash.
Jack, you're right, I completely misdated it by some years AND forgot that complete garbage that flooded out around both sides of Jedi that they didn't even let into the friggin EU. :lol

Not even in "canon but..." status like some of those pre-Empire novels. And almost every comic they published for a long time.

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Some of the worst licensed stuff is still the TNG stuff that was written based off of seeing Farpoint and reading some other season one scripts since they had to write the novels so far in advance of the show actually airing. :lawd

Funny enough, the Voyager books in the same circumstance wound up better than the show.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2017, 05:27:57 PM

Does Kylo not deliberately say "destroy the Jedi, the first order;etc all of it? And rule the galaxy together?"

So he back tracked. He's still a part of the first order when he deliberately said "fuck the first order"

I don't recall if he specifically wanted to destroy the FO rather than take control. I recall the intention was the use the entire force of the FO to fix everything. He saw the power vacuum and wanted to use it. His killing of Snoke is meant to be viewed as a face-turn but then revealed to be more of a coup. He saw himself and Rey as being able to use the entire force of the FO for "good" or whatever he views as good.

Then Rey rejects him. He hedged him bets on it and it doesn't go the way he wanted.

Stuff like this - where a character contradicts themselves - is meant to inform the character. Kylo is insecure and his choices are based on his insecurities.

The problem is that the movie establishes early on that there's more to the force than good and evil and that the force belongs to all, which hints at a more gray take on the force. So Kylo saying,"fuck the Jedi, fuck the first order, fuck the rebels, all that shit. come with me" it feels like he is moving beyond the good/evil dichotomy (which is great btw) and rising above the first order. Because the kid doesn't need it. But then, it backtracks and he's still with the first order? I'm going to need the dialogue to that scene agai but it feels like a colossal backtrack.

Am I alone in this interpretation?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 18, 2017, 05:32:25 PM
It could be a backtrack. But that is consistent with the character they have presented. He makes mistakes because he doesn't always think about what he's doing. His choice to kill Snoke wasn't some grand plan - he decided to do it right then and there. His choice to burn it all down and have Rey join him was something he came up with on the spot. But it didn't go that way and he wasn't secure enough to go along with the idea himself. So Rey rejects him and he is confronted by Hux, he backtracks and takes control of the FO.

I'm sure we'll see more about that in the next movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 18, 2017, 05:33:11 PM
Look none of this matters because we know JJ's gonna fuck it up. :rejoice
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2017, 05:35:52 PM
It could be a backtrack. But that is consistent with the character they have presented. He makes mistakes because he doesn't always think about what he's doing. His choice to kill Snoke wasn't some grand plan - he decided to do it right then and there. His choice to burn it all down and have Rey join him was something he came up with on the spot. But it didn't go that way and he wasn't secure enough to go along with the idea himself. So Rey rejects him and he is confronted by Hux, he backtracks and takes control of the FO.

I'm sure we'll see more about that in the next movie.

I can see that but at the same time, the way it's communicated doesn't make it exactly good either. I'm left kind of not caring where it goes in ep9 because they backtracked.

"He just does things" isn't really compelling enough reason to kill Snoke but that's my personal opinion.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 18, 2017, 05:40:23 PM
Look none of this matters because we know JJ's gonna fuck it up. :rejoice

It’s impossible to fuck up as much as the dude that wrote Brick.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on December 18, 2017, 05:42:09 PM
He could have also been telling bullshit to Rey and being emotional. I mean, he offered her to rule the galaxy together, does it make sense to scrap the first order all together if that's his plan?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2017, 05:45:32 PM
Good point but he also seemed like he was above the first order as well.

I don't know!

:idont
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 18, 2017, 05:46:11 PM
I guess my biggest problem with these new movies is the same problem I had with the prequels, in that I never feel like I'm watching a movie so much as I feel like I'm watching someone play a Star Wars video game.

I still maintain that the very last scene in the movie is the most important one, because it's got the kids playing with struggle looking action figures doing their own Star War.

And to me that's what all of these movies are- kids that loved Star War (Abrams, Edwards, Johnson, etc) growing up and getting to make their own Star War with real life people and Lucasfilm/Disney resources.

Which is still better than the prequels, somehow.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Bebpo on December 18, 2017, 05:49:25 PM
On Ren, yeah I don’t think he was thinking things through with a coup or anything. He basically was presented a choice to kill Rey or kill Snokes. Through the connection talks he felt with Rey he’d found someone else like him, who could understand him and maybe there was some romantic feelings too, so when he’s presented with a hard choice who chooses her over Snokes and then tries to appeal to her and fails and then he’s like uh, fuck it I’ll run this ship now and burn it all down.

Considering all this was done in the moment, what he wants to do next once he has time to think may be interesting if they don’t screw up ep IX.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2017, 05:52:45 PM
I guess my biggest problem with these new movies is the same problem I had with the prequels, in that I never feel like I'm watching a movie so much as I feel like I'm watching someone play a Star Wars video game.

I still maintain that the very last scene in the movie is the most important one, because it's got the kids playing with struggle looking action figures doing their own Star War.

And to me that's what all of these movies are- kids that loved Star War (Abrams, Edwards, Johnson, etc) growing up and getting to make their own Star War with real life people and Lucasfilm/Disney resources.

Which is still better than the prequels, somehow.

You have far lower expectations than me I guess.

I expect when you dump billions into buying a franchise that you make it quality so I guess I've been expecting too much. But your description is apt. It's nothing but a bunch of grown up dudes making their own fan fiction. Except with real actors and not toys. Good mindset to have. Go in as cynical as all possible. Even that's better than me going in with zero expectations except to be just entertained.

I like your moxie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 18, 2017, 05:54:03 PM
I guess my biggest problem with these new movies is the same problem I had with the prequels, in that I never feel like I'm watching a movie so much as I feel like I'm watching someone play a Star Wars video game.

I still maintain that the very last scene in the movie is the most important one, because it's got the kids playing with struggle looking action figures doing their own Star War.

And to me that's what all of these movies are- kids that loved Star War (Abrams, Edwards, Johnson, etc) growing up and getting to make their own Star War with real life people and Lucasfilm/Disney resources.

Which is still better than the prequels, somehow.

I’d expect a heartwarming point of view like this from an old softy like you.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 18, 2017, 05:56:22 PM
I think why it’s annoying in TLJ/TFA is because it’s a sequel. There was a presumed status quo where the rebels won after ROTJ. Clearly something happened where they didn’t really win. Snoke came from somewhere and the first Order rose to Power somehow. There just seems to be a big gap in the story.
in TFA they have lines that suggest THE RESISTANCE is basically plausible deniability black ops for the New Republic, and then the Starkiller Base blasts the New Republic off the face of the galaxy, so they kinda have to become a legitimate RESISTANCE at that point since a trillion people and the entire central structure of the New Republic along with its economy/governance/fleets/etc. just got wiped out

i assumed the First Order was basically reconstituted factions of the Empire, ala they break up into warring factions like in Thrawn, but Snoke or whoever gathered enough of the factions to realign them and others just started hopping on, which is why they seem to be equipped by Empire weapons, and even stuff like the Starkiller Base could have been old Empire shit that they started work back on again, maybe it sat dormant and hidden for ten years while the Empire was busted up, till whoever knew about it was like "oh yeah, we have this thing that's like a death star only a billion times more powerful, totally forgot we were working on that" but they aren't like full Empire power, maybe 75% of them with the rest turning into pirates or some shit

or just being unconnected, i mean Star Wars has always been galactic in scope but it's been mostly in theory, they hyperspeed between systems in seconds flat, but it's been suggested in the prequels and EU stuff that there were "lanes" where hyperspeed/communications/travel was faster and other areas where things weren't as viable, so i could imagine that like say the Aussie version of the Empire is totally cut off, like if we lost all our airplanes and had smaller ships, we might not put contact with them as a priority so they could be off doing their own thing during these new movies while we focused on getting lines to Yurop back up

none of this comes from Wookiepedia so plz to check there for accurate canon thx :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: kingv on December 18, 2017, 06:00:41 PM
On Ren, yeah I don’t think he was thinking things through with a coup or anything. He basically was presented a choice to kill Rey or kill Snokes. Through the connection talks he felt with Rey he’d found someone else like him, who could understand him and maybe there was some romantic feelings too, so when he’s presented with a hard choice who chooses her over Snokes and then tries to appeal to her and fails and then he’s like uh, fuck it I’ll run this ship now and burn it all down.

Considering all this was done in the moment, what he wants to do next once he has time to think may be interesting if they don’t screw up ep IX.

A lot of dudes will betray their friends for some pussy.

That’s the moral of Star Wars really.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 18, 2017, 06:03:42 PM
On Ren, yeah I don’t think he was thinking things through with a coup or anything. He basically was presented a choice to kill Rey or kill Snokes. Through the connection talks he felt with Rey he’d found someone else like him, who could understand him and maybe there was some romantic feelings too, so when he’s presented with a hard choice who chooses her over Snokes and then tries to appeal to her and fails and then he’s like uh, fuck it I’ll run this ship now and burn it all down.

Considering all this was done in the moment, what he wants to do next once he has time to think may be interesting if they don’t screw up ep IX.

A lot of dudes will betray their friends for some pussy.

That’s the moral of Star Wars really.

Except for Luke, the Man Hero that Never Slayed a Puss.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 18, 2017, 06:12:50 PM
Endor was a backwater moon, the Empire losing their half completed BUT FULLY OPERATIONAL Death Star there, along with the Emperor, wouldn't bring the whole thing collapsing down despite what the later tacked on celebration scenes to ROTJ indicate.

In the now non-canon EU, there was never a treaty, but a brief armistice before the war continued in varying forms for decades.

In the new Abramsverse, the Empire immediately surrendered and signed peace accords. And the New Republic moved to disarm itself almost entirely. Except the First Order didn't obey the peace treaty BECAUSE THEY EVIL. :dead
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With the New Republic now the dominant force in the galaxy, it continuously stressed upholding the values of democracy throughout the stars. In spite of such, however, the New Republic was not without its critics, many of them being disgruntled sympathizers of the Old Imperial ways, some of whom were a part of the political structure. Once disagreements between the loyalists and Imperial sympathizers became too severe, the latter group would eventually secede, whereupon they would establish the First Order along with the former elements of the Imperial military that still inhabited the Unknown Regions. While some in the Galactic Senate applauded the notion, others realized that without New Republic supervision, the Order would return to the draconian ways of its predecessor.[8] Owing to it being descended from the Empire in ideology, the First Order, upon being formed within the Unknown Region alongside various former Imperial officers, technologists, nobles, and other pro-Imperial supporters, intended to reclaim their legacy.[6]
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Disillusioned with the infighting in the Senate, Leia resigned as Senator and founded the Resistance to safeguard the Republic from all threats.[3]

Under Leia's leadership, the Resistance became a private military force that kept watch over the First Order's movements. Although she petitioned for assistance from the New Republic, the Senate was too self-absorbed to take much notice and its slow political process frustrated the former princess.

Some thirty years after the Emperor's defeat at Endor, in 34 ABY, a cold war developed between the growing First Order and the New Republic. Despite warnings from General Organa about the dangers of the First Order, the Senate, led by Chancellor Lanever Villecham focused more on improving trade relationships with the neutral Trans-Hydian Borderlands systems. Believing that the First Order was remaining within their assigned borders and following the tenants of the Galactic Concordance, the Senate and Chancellor Villecham saw little cause for alarm.[5] New Republic military officers like Major Lonno Deso generally regarded the First Order as an ill-equipped, ill-funded terrorist group that simply had a good propaganda arm, and even considered Organa and her allies scaremongering troublemakers trying to relive their glory days.[4]

In the hopes of convincing the Senate to her point of view, Organa sent Resistance Commander Korr Sella to as an envoy to make a case for action by the New Republic.[5] Determined to reveal its true power, the First Order, led by Supreme Leader Snoke, attacked the New Republic using its superweapon, the Starkiller Base, commanded by General Armitage Hux. It harnessed the sun's power and then destroyed the planets of the Hosnian system, including Hosnian Prime which at that time was serving as the Republic capital and hosting the Senate and the New Republic fleet. The Resistance in turn attacked Starkiller Base and was able to destroy it before it could be used against their headquarters on D'Qar.[22]

Despite the destruction of the First Order's most fearsome weapon, the loss of Hosnian Prime proved to be a dire blow to the New Republic. With its government decapitated, its main fleet wiped out, and the Resistance subsequently besieged and decimated, it was estimated that the New Republic's core systems would all fall to the First Order's forces within a matter of weeks.[7]
:trumps
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2017, 06:15:17 PM
:dead

Thanks for schooling us, Benji. Where can I read more?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 18, 2017, 06:16:51 PM
Basically, the New Republic elected Obama, who went on an apology tour and decimated the military both financially and in morale. While the First Order hired Putin and found some Sith Lords.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mandark on December 18, 2017, 06:17:27 PM
I actually went to Wookieepedia after seeing TFA cause I was baffled by the world-building in it.

The First Order is basically interwar Germany, so we can infer that Snoke's backstory is he had one ball and didn't get into art school.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 18, 2017, 07:09:46 PM
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 18, 2017, 09:04:33 PM
Basically, the New Republic elected Obama
Look who's being all "edgy" with the Martin Peretz/Franklin Foer commentary.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Freyj on December 18, 2017, 09:13:01 PM
Honestly tho, who gives a shit about Snoke? I'm glad they killed him off, he was boring. These new films have given us the most interesting, best developed villain in the SW universe in Kylo Ren as far as I'm concerned. More focus on an interesting, well developed villain with history and motivation and less on these Snidely Whiplash cornball motherfuckers, plz.

Have Snoke praise Kylo or some shit for completing his training and let it fuck with Kylo from that point forward. Constantly paranoid that the next guy is gonna kill him.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2017, 09:15:23 PM
Honestly tho, who gives a shit about Snoke? I'm glad they killed him off, he was boring. These new films have given us the most interesting, best developed villain in the SW universe in Kylo Ren as far as I'm concerned. More focus on an interesting, well developed villain with history and motivation and less on these Snidely Whiplash cornball motherfuckers, plz.

Have Snoke praise Kylo or some shit for completing his training and let it fuck with Kylo from that point forward. Constantly paranoid that the next guy is gonna kill him.

Seriously. All they needed was one damn line.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on December 18, 2017, 09:31:25 PM
I guess my biggest problem with these new movies is the same problem I had with the prequels, in that I never feel like I'm watching a movie so much as I feel like I'm watching someone play a Star Wars video game.

there's a reason for that. up until recently at least, the job of the game writer was to somehow stitch together all the set pieces and encounters that the designers had in mind. wasn't rare to have all these moments already morealess set in stone when the writer was brought in to somehow provide context and make sense of it with a minimal amount of screen time.

the new films feel a lot like that.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Borealis on December 18, 2017, 11:05:49 PM
Ren's past and relationship with Skywalker, plus Driver's acting, really elevate his character. It's his characterisation and context that strongly contribute to one of TLJ's strengths. You don't have that with Snoke, or any other antagonist/villain in TLJ. Hux is cliched (lame authority accent too), and remarkably incompetent, while Plasma's (re)appearance is almost meaningless. Snoke's background didn't have to be explicitly outlined, but context to the First Order's strength is much needed.

The stakes, especially with "the Resistance really need to defeat the oppressive/tyrannical First Order!!!", resemble a poor retread without context. I shouldn't have to visit Wookiepedia to figure out the political/social situation behind WTF is going on the galaxy and why we should give a shit about the Resistance. Yes, it's Star Wars, but I'm finding those infrequent moments relating to the light/dark-side or "grey" mix much more interesting than the entire Resistance + FO conflict that dominates so much of the recent films.

With TLJ's developments, I honestly hope the FO win.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 18, 2017, 11:15:10 PM
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The darkest place I’ve seen Mandark go since the Etiolate fan ero-fantasy I had some weeks ago.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on December 18, 2017, 11:37:10 PM
I can't care this much about Star Wars to argue like you guys, I'm a trekkie and JJ already slayed me :'( .

I want to ask you all something though, when did 'subverting expectations' (not saying star wars does this or does this well, just seeing it come up a lot) become a positive attribute of a film sans context? Seems like a thing a director who targets their audience with bile would do. I understand it in the context where you target misogynists, racists and turn a sexist trope on it's head, but in the case of star wars where you're just fucking with your fans, why? If this was the internet you'd be called an edgelord and flamed lmao. What do you guys as the audience get out of it? Seems to only work for outsiders so they can mine salt and write polygon articles hating on fans.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 19, 2017, 12:38:39 AM
All three should be for murdering the pacing and enjoyment of this movie.

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also what the fuck happened to the Knights of Ren?
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I suspect:

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They're totally the Royal Guards defending Snoke.  :nintendo

But in reality, another dropped plot thread. Johnson positions the film as some sort of auteur 'subversion' to Star Wars canon and lore, but it really comes across as a rather bloated, internally inconsistent, and poorly-paced follow-up to TFA.
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The Knights of Ren are probably the students who Kylo did not slaughter. Whatever Kylo and Ren are, they're Ben's adopted name in the service of Snoke. It may be a historical name, such as emperors or popes adopt, or it may be a Sith title.

Your idea that they're the Supreme Leader's Guards is pretty great, though if they were Force adept it would have made sense for them to wield lightsabers instead of those powered weapons.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on December 19, 2017, 12:48:27 AM
chewbacca should have at least 11 inches of wookie cock hanging out. disney playin it safe
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Freyj on December 19, 2017, 12:57:56 AM
I can't care this much about Star Wars to argue like you guys, I'm a trekkie and JJ already slayed me :'( .

I want to ask you all something though, when did 'subverting expectations' (not saying star wars does this or does this well, just seeing it come up a lot) become a positive attribute of a film sans context? Seems like a thing a director who targets their audience with bile would do. I understand it in the context where you target misogynists, racists and turn a sexist trope on it's head, but in the case of star wars where you're just fucking with your fans, why? If this was the internet you'd be called an edgelord and flamed lmao. What do you guys as the audience get out of it? Seems to only work for outsiders so they can mine salt and write polygon articles hating on fans.

I still think "subverting expectations" is more something people have attributed to TLJ than something TLJ really earns. That and meta narrative seem to be all the rage suddenly.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on December 19, 2017, 01:22:01 AM
I still think "subverting expectations" is more something people have attributed to TLJ than something TLJ really earns. That and meta narrative seem to be all the rage suddenly.

Can't speak or don't care about the Star Wars film but yeah there's an awful lot of projection from film fandom in general.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 19, 2017, 01:22:42 AM
chewbacca should have at least 11 inches of wookie cock hanging out. disney playin it safe

And his ass should be all matted and covered in shit since it would be impossible to wipe well.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2017, 01:26:50 AM
Why does subverting expectations make a film good exactly? No one has answered that part yet. Seems real shallow.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2017, 01:56:20 AM
Sure, subverting expectations can be good. But it doesn't necessarily mean it's good, though, like I said. Freyj is right. It doesn't even subvert expectations in any real way: pretty much everyone expected Luke to die this movie (or next) and Leia to continue.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 19, 2017, 01:56:54 AM
I've got a lot of thoughts on this, but I'm still processing much of it. I'm enjoying reading the thread from many pages back, catching up on the spoilers — thanks, everyone, for being conscientious about not displaying them. I'll try to do the same.

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The dark side cave having nothing to offer Rey is the lamest shit I could imagine for the obvious Degobah callback. I genuinely don't buy into Rey = Mary Sue complaints and think that her naivety and child like view of the Force, Jedi, etc is actually sort of fresh in TFA, but that scene absolutely murders the defense against Rey complaints.

She's just so pure that the Dark Side doesn't even tempt her? Fuck off. She can be better than Luke was here, but please make her work for it.
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Yeah like what the fuck was the point of it?
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She sees herself in the mirror? what in the fuck. It had absolutely nothing to say for being teased as this dark, fucked up place
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I believe it is the difference between free will and fate. Both are at play in the SW universe, and Rey recognizes and sees herself in a continuum. She's recognizing that she exists along a path which has a past and a future, and she sees where she resonates and has choice, though it may have been set in place earlier than her conscious decision and will have repercussions after she's made it.
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Part of the problem is that the Force is not just the light side, a theme repeated throughout the movie. You have the yin/yang pendant, a light/dark mosaic on Luke's island, and the whole sequence of scenes depicting life on the island. There is always balance.

In the original trilogy, Darth Sidious' existence was enough to cause the Force to manifest an opposite number, going so far as to give Anakin a virgin birth. Sidious unfortunately was so canny as to find Anakin and co-opt him into the Sith order — but we should never forget that in the end it was Anakin, not Luke, who throws Palpatine/Sidious down one of those incredibly poorly considered cavernous holes that seem to be everywhere in the Death Star.

The idea that the Force itself creates what it must to maintain balance, even if it takes time and still may cause strife as it finds its way toward manifesting change, is consistent with what was presented.

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The idea that Rey came from "nothings" or "nobodies" is absolutely fucking fantastic and wonderful. The Prequels set aside the Force as the providence of the Jedi, of beings with a high midichlorian count. Everyone has the Force, but only people who have high midichlorians can actually be effective with it. Changing it instead so that saying that the Jedi have prevented people from using it by being the focus of a cult of personality, and shifting it to something which truly is in each of us, putting our responsibility back on us for looking out for ourselves, and taking action against oppression — that's beautiful.

Kylo missteps by announcing it in that fashion to Rey. He intends to hurt her enough to push her into his arms. Kylo is using a PUA technique by trying to get Rey to feel useless and alone, and only he understands her. It's fucking brilliant and chilling, and REY IS HAVING NONE OF IT. :heartbeat

At the same time, because she asks to see her parents and is instead shown an image of herself, it's also possible that she's another manifestation like Anakin, which would go some distance toward explaining her strength.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 19, 2017, 01:58:33 AM
https://theconcourse.deadspin.com/a-list-of-some-of-the-times-the-last-jedi-told-the-olde-1821396631

Lots of SPOILERS, obviously.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 19, 2017, 02:01:34 AM
I loved it. There's definitely some issues but this was a fun Star Wars movie. I'm really curious WTF they were thinking with Benicio Del Toros character. He was so fucking bad.

I liked him, but wondered where they were going with it.
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At first it seemed like The Force was giving them what they needed. Maz Kanata pointed them at the gambler, saying look for this crest — I can't recall if she was specifically describing the gambler, or "how to find the gambler," if I can split a fine hair. Maz is Force-sensitive, so it's feasible. Finding the flower-guy is what they need to get in contact with the codebreaker they meet.

Then it turns out he is a good guy, then a bad guy, then a really good guy… then a really bad guy.

My honest reaction was that he was a Han Solo type, the shapeshifter from Campbellian myth that you can't rely on to do anything but look out for himself. But if they find him again in Episode IX, I expect Finn or Rose will shoot him in the cock for being directly responsible for selling out the 30 ships en route to the hidden base.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TEEEPO on December 19, 2017, 02:03:30 AM
this is a tricky subject. subverting the audiences expectations doesn't inherently make a film good – and nobody has said that -- but in the right hands, it becomes a powerful tool. michael haneke and lars von trier are two notable directors who have made careers out of toying with expectations . both directors have subverted expectations in their most successful films while also having used it as a means to piss off both their respective audiences and critics in others, e.g. nymphomaniac and funny games, the latter of which i recognize as being a modern masterpiece despite absolutely hating it




though i'm not going to give rian johnson that kind of credit in subverting expectations; the fans are playing themselves. and to quickly give my impressions on the last jedi. through its entire duration the film was in desperate need of a rhythmic beat but the ideas that rian johnson explored have some real weight and gives the universe some much needed depth. the marquee scenes were well worth fighting through the few times i almost fell asleep

however, there were times tlj didn't feel like a proper "star wars" film. the hyperdrive scene, as cool as it may be, would've been more fitting in battlestar galatica than star wars. infact, the entire scene trivialized every military altercation that came before it. i have a list of compliants but whatever, outside of esb, star wars has always been dumb

in short, the movie was good. get fucked nerds
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2017, 02:04:35 AM
Chrono:

I figured her being reflected might mean she is another forced created being like Anakin. That said, she still shouldn't be able to fight like that with so little training.

I'm not sure I agree about the movies representation of the force. They movie definitely says that all life has the force and it doesn't belong to the light or the Jedi, but the problem is that the movie really doesn't represent that outside of Luke doing what he thinks is right and trying to get Kylo. Maybe Ben killing Snoke and all the guards, but I'm not convinced and we don't have a confirmation that action was done purely out of goodness. Rey herself still stays light and doesn't really do much in the way of dark actions. So I'm not seeing how the movie is gray.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Huff on December 19, 2017, 02:23:22 AM
Was I suppose to bust out laughing during Leias michael jordan scene?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 19, 2017, 02:24:40 AM
Honestly, walking out, I don’t even see how this was divisive. It was just another SW movie.

Because nerds got their feels hurt that the characters and story beats weren't exactly as they planned in their head and now they're doing a Simpson comic book guy impersonation.

There is some legit criticism but this movie can hang with the OT and Empire; I think it's even better.

I’m not sure I agree with your last point. I enjoyed this movie, but it feels far too much in debt to modern blockbusters. I guess I’ll have to see how it ages, especially after seeing the final episode.

My biggest issues...

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1. We’re never going to get an explanation on Snoke. To do it after his death would be anticlimactic. I did enjoy the “kill the big bad in the middle” bit, but now the mystery of who Snoke was is likely impossible to satisfactorily address. I’m sure there will be a shitty comic book.

2. Why would Poe let BB8 go with Finn and Rose on their secret mission when he knew there was a significant chance he might have to fly to defend the Resistance?

3. The Leia in space scene was terrible. We’ve never seen her use force powers before. What a cheesy time to show them. This also could have been easily written around. Worst scene in the movie.

4. Biggest sin: Why waste Laura Dern on this shitty role without any personality? She’s one of the best actresses on the planet.

5. The score is so recycled and so reverent to the original score that I can’t even tell what’s new music anymore. It’s a constant barrage of distinctly Star Wars-y brass, but at this point, it’s so rote. Please be more adventurous with the music.

6. A lot could have been chopped from that Finn and Rose plot.  I’m not even sure why the Rose character was necessary to create. Probably a more pointless Rose than even that of MGS2. Hopefully she dies early in the next movie. She’s not even good looking. She’s fucking hideous.

7. Maybe a cheat, or insensitive, but they should’ve used the Leia fake out death to kill her. It’s going to feel shitty killing her offscreen immediately after she’s recovered from a life-threatening injury in the next movie.

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1. http://starwarsrebels.wikia.com/wiki/The_Grand_Inquisitor
2. Poe can fly without BB8, he'd just prefer not to. My impression is that he was still un-trusting of Adm. Hodo/Dern, who really appeared to have no fucking plan at all.
7. Yeah, it sadly seems like a missed opportunity — the contentious stuff about he Falcon's shiny dice and appearing to Leia could have been dropped, making Luke's appearance more mystical and unsettling.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on December 19, 2017, 02:50:05 AM
I can't care this much about Star Wars to argue like you guys, I'm a trekkie and JJ already slayed me :'( .

I want to ask you all something though, when did 'subverting expectations' (not saying star wars does this or does this well, just seeing it come up a lot) become a positive attribute of a film sans context? Seems like a thing a director who targets their audience with bile would do. I understand it in the context where you target misogynists, racists and turn a sexist trope on it's head, but in the case of star wars where you're just fucking with your fans, why? If this was the internet you'd be called an edgelord and flamed lmao. What do you guys as the audience get out of it? Seems to only work for outsiders so they can mine salt and write polygon articles hating on fans.

I still think "subverting expectations" is more something people have attributed to TLJ than something TLJ really earns. That and meta narrative seem to be all the rage suddenly.
I personally agree about there not being a huge swell of subversion in here and it's mostly fans being fans, hence the disclaimer. I'm just baffled that people seem to see movie makers mocking their own fanbase as a positive, as that would seem to be the case for subversion here.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TEEEPO on December 19, 2017, 03:16:59 AM
in a perfect world i'd live to witness star wars fans wait twenty five years for a sequel that amounts to absolutely nothing

is there still any hope for david lynch to direct a star war film, preferably episode ix, twenty five years later? if trump starting a nuclear war brings us closer to that reality than i'm all for it
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Let's Cyber on December 19, 2017, 03:52:58 AM
I haven't seen this yet but once the RLM review drops I'll probably just watch that and spoil everything.

The weird reaction to this movie by the fanbase has become more interesting to me than the movie itself.  :bobby
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Bore Expert on December 19, 2017, 04:22:27 AM
Has Cookie Monster’s opinion of this movie been posted? I remember him on Gaf hyping the idea of Rian Johnson making this. Movie was garbage.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 19, 2017, 05:10:12 AM
Watched it today. Have not read or seen a single review. Glanced at this thread and the last page or two and it seems to be about meta stuff I don't really traffic in or care about so there's that. All I care about is why a person liked or disliked a movie. Not the surrounding atmosphere/drama behind a movie. Not what the fanbase necessarily thinks or some other meta level of examining a popcorn movie about space superheroes.

I'll try to keep things general without getting too much into spoilers but I'll put tags on specifics. 

I thought it was "ok". I mean like 5 or 6 on a scale of 10. By comparison I really adored The Force Awakens and that's like a 8 or 9 movie for me. It didn't match my expectations for what I was hoping for but I didn't detest it or anything. I liked it more than Rogue One for instance which is a movie I actively don't like.

The problem for me is that it feels somewhat disjointed. It splits the story into three main focuses and that's fine. Star Wars movies always split up the cast in that way, but it sort of sucked the fun that was in the first movie out of it. You can get away with that if the split up cast are doing some epic stuff but it didn't feel like epic stuff they were doing. It just felt like plot points being met.
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I had high hopes for the Luke training Rey stuff and hearing about Luke's past but out side of the very ending with burning Temple stuff, I found that plotline to be mostly boring)
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The Finn storyline was almost a complete waste to me. I think they wasted Finn and John Boyega in this one pretty much completely when he was my favorite part of the first movie. The casino was meh and did they really need to bring back phasma for that. I was never like yeah, these two need to battle in the next movie!
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The Kylo ren stuff was fine I guess. I'm glad they killed of snoke because I didn't need a wanna be emperor. Albeit it was all predictable the stuff with Rey.
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Ultimately it doesn't have the spark to take it to the next level. It's not bringing new important characters and setting the table like Force Awakens. It isn't as fun as the Force Awakens.
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And the darkness isn't dark like Empire Strikes back in the sense of tone. Empire isn't even my favorite star wars movie. That would be Star Wars. But I respect why tonally its dark. This movie tries to ape the darkness my sticking the rebels in a hole but it feels forced. Like Yep. This is what you do in a middle film in Star Wars. The good guys get their asses kicked.
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It needed something more. Either it needed to be more original or it needed to execute on following the standard Star Wars plotline better like Force Awakens did for me. Everything in the movie felt like Star Wars retread and I know that is the number one criticism of Force Awakens. But it didn't bother me in that movie. It did in this one for some reason. Not 100% sure why but its an accumulation of small things that just bother me in a way it hadn't in the previous movie.

Wanna re-iterate I didn't hate it. This isn't a disaster to me on some epic proportion like the prequels are. I was entertained enough to mostly keep my attention through out. I just found myself wishing at the end of it that it was better. It's also doesn't leave me intrigued to see where things are going. I was excited at the end of the force awakens to see the next part of the story. I'm far less excited for the third part here. 
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 19, 2017, 06:40:44 AM
Can someone please explain what nuance there was in The Last Jedi?

Was is the ha fisted way they injected cute animals in with the sole intent of selling toys for Xmas?

Movie sucked. Almost fell asleep twice. Only other time that happened was during The Hobbit.

So quality wise, TLJ = The Hobbit.

Mojobobio, you are either willfully or ignorantly dismissing quite a fair bit of nuance.
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Ben and Luke's memories differed from each other substantially, showing the effect of each upon another.

Luke and Rey mirrored some classic Kung-Fu cinema tropes, where the master doesn't want to train an apprentice in his remote retreat.

Knowing that Kylo had, to some degree, good in him because he was unable to kill his mother in the same way he'd destroyed his father — and yet STILL having him get the wrong message about how to redeem himself.

Some elegant mirroring of who will bow to whom in the Snoke confrontation, and less endless dithering than the last time we saw the Emperor have his apprentice and a neophyte judged before him.

Rey and Kylo fighting like we'd always hoped to see Luke and Leia fight in Return of the Jedi, or followers of the EU had hoped to see Han and Leia's Jedi twins lay waste to Bad People.
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The SW series has had cute bullshit animals in it since Ep. VI. Of course, I can't tell if you're talking about the Porgs, the crystal foxes, or the big-titty walrus that produces fresh protein smoothies. If the latter, get out of here, you blue-milk fetishist.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on December 19, 2017, 06:45:10 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fLZUktDilo
 :point
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tokyosandblaster on December 19, 2017, 07:07:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fLZUktDilo
 :point
You son of a bitch.  :trigger
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 19, 2017, 09:28:44 AM
I would love for them to never review it, but keep adding teasers to the end of every future Half in the Bag that it's coming soon. Just turn it into a running joke.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Freyj on December 19, 2017, 09:43:08 AM
Was I suppose to bust out laughing during Leias michael jordan scene?

All I could hear was Rich Evans’ roaring laughter and that just amplified the ridiculousness of it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: zomgee on December 19, 2017, 10:14:33 AM
I love those guys.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2017, 10:31:19 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fLZUktDilo
 :point

Fuck you Momo!!!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on December 19, 2017, 11:31:55 AM
 :drake
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 19, 2017, 11:51:21 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9hwGZFPSmw
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2017, 12:48:13 PM
Great video. Definitely articulates every problem I've got. And they're right: Star Wars is limited as fuck. Rogue One and TLJ made me realize how limited Star Wars is. Basically, Star Wars kinda sucks, Empire aside. :yeshrug
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 19, 2017, 12:49:24 PM
I again must state that I cannot understand the love for the rlm people
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2017, 12:57:27 PM
Glad to see the guys share my opinion of "who cares about ep 9". Like, where can they go from ep 8? Who cares about any of these characters?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 19, 2017, 01:00:37 PM
Yeah, at this point, the nicest thing I can say about TLJ is that running that abysmal Wrinkle in Time trailer before it made TLJ seem far less terrible than it actually is. 
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: etiolate on December 19, 2017, 01:04:52 PM
I keep seeing this mistake

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Ren didn't turn because of Luke lurking over him when he slept. He had already been corrupted by then.

And he wasn't truly conflicted about being dark, he was conflicted with being second fiddle. He just wanted to out leadership above him and figured Rey could be his dark queen.

I thought this was clear. He's still too whiny to be frightening.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 19, 2017, 01:07:40 PM
I again must state that I cannot understand the love for the rlm people

There is a cult of opinion aura that has grown around their fandom as the last word in nerd circles which is a bit annoying but whatever. Sometimes I agree with them sometimes I don't. Like any critic. They are better when analyzing traditional nerd fare like Star Wars and Superhero films, etc. Less so when it expands out of those circles.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2017, 01:11:11 PM
I again must state that I cannot understand the love for the rlm people

I think they're funny. :yeshrug
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 19, 2017, 01:12:16 PM
Glad to see the guys share my opinion of "who cares about ep 9". Like, where can they go from ep 8? Who cares about any of these characters?

The characters aren't the problem for me. I like the characters. It's the plotting. They didn't set them up to do anything to look forward to. It's like the New Star Trek movies to me. I like the people. You just need a plot to happen to get me to invest.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 19, 2017, 01:18:45 PM
I again must state that I cannot understand the love for the rlm people

Jay got sexy.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Freyj on December 19, 2017, 01:19:34 PM
I don’t always agree with RLM but Mike is a national treasure and I won’t hear otherwise.

This HitB is killing me.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: etiolate on December 19, 2017, 01:29:47 PM
I agree with the wheel spinning comment. Ep 7 was made as a setup, but ep 8 doesn't really get anywhere. If it moves the characters/world anywhere, its backwards.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on December 19, 2017, 01:33:55 PM
https://theconcourse.deadspin.com/a-list-of-some-of-the-times-the-last-jedi-told-the-olde-1821396631

Lots of SPOILERS, obviously.
This encapsulates why I love this movie so much. :aah

I again must state that I cannot understand the love for the rlm people
:foxx
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 19, 2017, 01:43:57 PM
https://theconcourse.deadspin.com/a-list-of-some-of-the-times-the-last-jedi-told-the-olde-1821396631

Lots of SPOILERS, obviously.

Lucas used to call them laser swords all the time, and it was really weird. I thought it was fitting that Luke called them the same.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ZombieSupaStar on December 19, 2017, 01:45:10 PM
in a perfect world i'd live to witness star wars fans wait twenty five years for a sequel that amounts to absolutely nothing

is there still any hope for david lynch to direct a star war film, preferably episode ix, twenty five years later? if trump starting a nuclear war brings us closer to that reality than i'm all for it

After Twin Peaks 2017 I was so done with my expectations being subverted I would have rather had Luke be space Jesus and Rey’s father and flinging At-ats around like rag dolls. David Lynch done broke me man.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 19, 2017, 01:51:09 PM
https://theconcourse.deadspin.com/a-list-of-some-of-the-times-the-last-jedi-told-the-olde-1821396631

Lots of SPOILERS, obviously.

Lucas used to call them laser swords all the time, and it was really weird. I thought it was fitting that Luke called them the same.

I think Star Wars fandom is so inbred that the normal things that happen in other movies are treated as shocking. At no point watching The Last Jedi did I think this was some kind of sacrilegious affront to star wars. It all seemed fairly tame and placid to me.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ZombieSupaStar on December 19, 2017, 01:59:05 PM
With the OT Jedi were cool and could still be anti hero’s. It’s the prequels that made them into to stuffy ass boring monks. So I think that retroactively influenced how people thought Luke would be. Hell maybe that’s how he was before he said aw fuck it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: etiolate on December 19, 2017, 02:04:24 PM
I wouldn't take deadspin's view of anything as representative of real people.

I don't agree with Rich that there is no room in the SW universe for anything but rehash. That seems like a bitter jab rather than a reality. They could have had "Team Ken" and gone in that direction. The problem is those in charge don't seem ready to do world building or referencing the larger SW world. This is the curse of fan-fiction writing. Thinking you love something but not realizing its an established fictional world with reasons behind it, so everything you try to do in it is just playing dollies because you got no world building skillz.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2017, 02:24:01 PM
I wouldn't take deadspin's view of anything as representative of real people.

I don't agree with Rich that there is no room in the SW universe for anything but rehash. That seems like a bitter jab rather than a reality. They could have had "Team Ken" and gone in that direction. The problem is those in charge don't seem ready to do world building or referencing the larger SW world. This is the curse of fan-fiction writing. Thinking you love something but not realizing its an established fictional world with reasons behind it, so everything you try to do in it is just playing dollies because you got no world building skillz.

How isn't Star Wars limited? Same tech, same premise (rebels vs empire), its politics is minimal because it's mostly limited to the movie format and that kind of thing can ruin its pacing, it has to adhere to a specific number of qualifiers and rules to constitute as a pleasing Star Wars story such as adhering to the the pulp origins that inspired it (Flash Gordan). Even things like KOTOR games are like this. It's like taking self contained three movies and just squeezing till no more juice is left. In order for Star Wars to be considered Star Wars it has to have certain elements. Its world building is limited and so much needs to be assumed regarding how they live their lives. So in order to make up for that, you have to have AT AT's, AT ST's, X-Wings, Tie Fighters, Star Destroyers, lightsabers, and all this other crap to make it recognizably Star Wars. And you are distinctly limited to the kinds of stories you can tell. It's boring. What more could they possibly hope to get more out of Star Wars? What exactly is left to milk? Or left to say? And the things that want to be said likely can't be said because all of the above - Star Wars has fit specific qualifiers - since it's a part of a corporate machine.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on December 19, 2017, 02:25:48 PM
in a perfect world i'd live to witness star wars fans wait twenty five years for a sequel that amounts to absolutely nothing

is there still any hope for david lynch to direct a star war film, preferably episode ix, twenty five years later? if trump starting a nuclear war brings us closer to that reality than i'm all for it

After Twin Peaks 2017 I was so done with my expectations being subverted I would have rather had Luke be space Jesus and Rey’s father and flinging At-ats around like rag dolls. David Lynch done broke me man.

TP was great until the last two episodes.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TEEEPO on December 19, 2017, 02:34:57 PM
naw the final episode of tp is peak lynch
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2017, 02:39:25 PM
Maybe I feel this way because this was the third Star Wars film in the past three years and now feel the franchise is over exposed. Disney killed the magic. :tocry
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 19, 2017, 02:44:20 PM
Star Wars has been a trans-media juggernaut for decades. Disney only picked up where George and Co. left off. If George wasn't a lazy fucker we would seen plenty more Star Wars sequels.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 19, 2017, 02:46:23 PM
I mean, it's a children's movie. Any time they try to make is something grander than that, it fails. That was the lesson of the prequels and it's why TFA worked well enough. JJ didn't try to make a mature Star Wars tale.

There's a formula here that works and if you veer away from it, it's not going to go well and will splinter the fanbase more.   

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George wasn't a lazy fucker

He had the good sense not to ruin the franchise. If he churned them out the way Disney did, this franchise would've been dead.

 
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: etiolate on December 19, 2017, 02:49:22 PM
I wouldn't take deadspin's view of anything as representative of real people.

I don't agree with Rich that there is no room in the SW universe for anything but rehash. That seems like a bitter jab rather than a reality. They could have had "Team Ken" and gone in that direction. The problem is those in charge don't seem ready to do world building or referencing the larger SW world. This is the curse of fan-fiction writing. Thinking you love something but not realizing its an established fictional world with reasons behind it, so everything you try to do in it is just playing dollies because you got no world building skillz.

How isn't Star Wars limited? Same tech, same premise (rebels vs empire), its politics is minimal because it's mostly limited to the movie format and that kind of thing can ruin its pacing, it has to adhere to a specific number of qualifiers and rules to constitute as a pleasing Star Wars story such as adhering to the the pulp origins that inspired it (Flash Gordan). Even things like KOTOR games are like this. It's like taking self contained three movies and just squeezing till no more juice is left. In order for Star Wars to be considered Star Wars it has to have certain elements. Its world building is limited and so much needs to be assumed regarding how they live their lives. So in order to make up for that, you have to have AT AT's, AT ST's, X-Wings, Tie Fighters, Star Destroyers, lightsabers, and all this other crap to make it recognizably Star Wars. And you are distinctly limited to the kinds of stories you can tell. It's boring. What more could they possibly hope to get more out of Star Wars? What exactly is left to milk? Or left to say? And the things that want to be said likely can't be said because all of the above - Star Wars has fit specific qualifiers - since it's a part of a corporate machine.

How isn't it limited? Seriously?

You will have Empire Tech. You will have Jedis. Yes, that is part of the deal, but it's not limiting. Lucas prequels added to the world. You had different ships. Stormtroopers appear as an invention in the second film. So, *gasp*, you can have inventions and move forward. You just know how to world build from within an established world.

There is nothing about that world that states you have to rehash the same plot over and over. Not the pulp origins. Not the Jedi. Nothing. The rehashing is a product of lack of creative courage.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on December 19, 2017, 02:53:13 PM
the beetles joke in that rlm killed me
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2017, 02:55:44 PM
Star Wars has been a trans-media juggernaut for decades. Disney only picked up where George and Co. left off. If George wasn't a lazy fucker we would seen plenty more Star Wars sequels.

You are completely ignoring my point.

To argue that Star Wars of now has the same exposure it did when we had to wait three years for a new movie makes anyone who uses that argument sound delusional.

Any time someone makes a mention of the fact that they're going a bit overboard with the Star Wars shit, someone has to mention how it's been a media giant for decades. No fucking shit. But before Disney bought the rights, was there really hope for a sequel trilogy, three side films, AND a second sequel trilogy in the oven? Nah. So let's stop being fucking delusional, okay?

What exactly is the end game for Star Wars? Are we supposed to have Star Wars until we die? There was a period where Star Wars was just Star Wars. Three movies. What is the goal? To just keep feeding people Star Wars? If so, what's the point of any of it? It's not like Star Trek where it may have something valuable to say about society or some inherent message. Star Trek has a reason to exist: to show us a better future that we can strive for. So what's the reason for Star Wars to continue existing beyond money? I can't think of any.

Basically, when does Star Wars end?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 19, 2017, 02:56:16 PM
in a perfect world i'd live to witness star wars fans wait twenty five years for a sequel that amounts to absolutely nothing

is there still any hope for david lynch to direct a star war film, preferably episode ix, twenty five years later? if trump starting a nuclear war brings us closer to that reality than i'm all for it

After Twin Peaks 2017 I was so done with my expectations being subverted I would have rather had Luke be space Jesus and Rey’s father and flinging At-ats around like rag dolls. David Lynch done broke me man.

TP was great until the last two episodes.

and then it transcended greatness.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 19, 2017, 02:57:12 PM
The undiscovered territory in Star Wars is where you combine the tech and the mysticism. Some bad people "weaponize" the Force with technology.

That would represent a different threat than a "giant laser" and would complicate the lives of anyone that has the force. Similar to the plotlines of many X-men stories.

maybe someone's already done this in fan faction, idk.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 19, 2017, 02:57:18 PM
Star Wars has been a trans-media juggernaut for decades. Disney only picked up where George and Co. left off. If George wasn't a lazy fucker we would seen plenty more Star Wars sequels.

You are completely ignoring my point.

To argue that Star Wars of now has the same exposure it did when we had to wait three years for a new movie makes anyone who uses that argument sound delusional.

Any time someone makes a mention of the fact that they're going a bit overboard with the Star Wars shit, someone has to mention how it's been a media giant for decades. No fucking shit. But before Disney bought the rights, was there really hope for a sequel trilogy, three side films, AND a second sequel trilogy in the oven? Nah. So let's stop being fucking delusional, okay?

What exactly is the end game for Star Wars? Are we supposed to have Star Wars until we die? There was a period where Star Wars was just Star Wars. Three movies. What is the goal? To just keep feeding people Star Wars? If so, what's the point of any of it? It's not like Star Trek where it may have something valuable to say about society or some inherent message. Star Trek has a reason to exist: to show us a better future that we can strive for. So what's the reason for Star Wars to continue existing beyond money? I can't think of any.

Basically, when does Star Wars end?

I'm sorry but what
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Nabbis on December 19, 2017, 02:59:28 PM
I dunno about Star Wars as a universe but that new film was shit. Fucking Disney, at least Lucas tried to do something more than just sell toys even if we ended up with diarrhea.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2017, 02:59:43 PM
Star Wars has been a trans-media juggernaut for decades. Disney only picked up where George and Co. left off. If George wasn't a lazy fucker we would seen plenty more Star Wars sequels.

You are completely ignoring my point.

To argue that Star Wars of now has the same exposure it did when we had to wait three years for a new movie makes anyone who uses that argument sound delusional.

Any time someone makes a mention of the fact that they're going a bit overboard with the Star Wars shit, someone has to mention how it's been a media giant for decades. No fucking shit. But before Disney bought the rights, was there really hope for a sequel trilogy, three side films, AND a second sequel trilogy in the oven? Nah. So let's stop being fucking delusional, okay?

What exactly is the end game for Star Wars? Are we supposed to have Star Wars until we die? There was a period where Star Wars was just Star Wars. Three movies. What is the goal? To just keep feeding people Star Wars? If so, what's the point of any of it? It's not like Star Trek where it may have something valuable to say about society or some inherent message. Star Trek has a reason to exist: to show us a better future that we can strive for. So what's the reason for Star Wars to continue existing beyond money? I can't think of any.

Basically, when does Star Wars end?

I'm sorry but what

Bro.

I'm going to be honest.

What are you trying to add here? Any time you see anything that you might disagree with you make some one-liner.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 19, 2017, 03:00:34 PM
I mean - yeah there are more movies and more merchandise now. But to me the idea that Star Wars had any magic for Disney to kill is a fallacy. They are doing the same shit that was already happening - exploiting the fuck out of an IP. They're just doing movies again, which would have happened anyway.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 19, 2017, 03:03:33 PM
And your assertion that Star Wars has lost it's magic is completely subjective. There are plenty of young kids that will go see this movie and have the same magical reaction that kids did when they saw the OT.

Moreso than the kids that saw the PT, which was me and was the reason that I didn't care about Star Wars until recently.

So if anything, Disney has given the magic back to Star Wars that George stomped out.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: etiolate on December 19, 2017, 03:05:14 PM
Lucas seemed more interested in stuff like the Clone Wars cartoon. Not sure he had a sequel he wanted to do as a film. He didn't need to bang out films to keep selling Star Wars merch. He created another generation of fans with the prequels, which keep buying Star Wars stuff regardless of there being a new film or not.

You certainly wouldn't have the yearly churn model.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TEEEPO on December 19, 2017, 03:21:56 PM
let me let you in on a little secret. neither george lucas nor disney killed the magic

modern cinema and television did. the only magic in star wars is that for decades it remained unmatched in its world building. that is no longer the case with the likes of game of thrones, westworld, mcu and the likes. these substitutes are doing a far better job at building their respective worlds that fans are over consuming at an alarming rate and in the process over exposing themselves to a level of fandom that is unprecedented.

the only way a child could possibly find ANH magical is through their parents coloring their opinion, which happens to often be the case.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2017, 03:29:12 PM
I wouldn't take deadspin's view of anything as representative of real people.

I don't agree with Rich that there is no room in the SW universe for anything but rehash. That seems like a bitter jab rather than a reality. They could have had "Team Ken" and gone in that direction. The problem is those in charge don't seem ready to do world building or referencing the larger SW world. This is the curse of fan-fiction writing. Thinking you love something but not realizing its an established fictional world with reasons behind it, so everything you try to do in it is just playing dollies because you got no world building skillz.

How isn't Star Wars limited? Same tech, same premise (rebels vs empire), its politics is minimal because it's mostly limited to the movie format and that kind of thing can ruin its pacing, it has to adhere to a specific number of qualifiers and rules to constitute as a pleasing Star Wars story such as adhering to the the pulp origins that inspired it (Flash Gordan). Even things like KOTOR games are like this. It's like taking self contained three movies and just squeezing till no more juice is left. In order for Star Wars to be considered Star Wars it has to have certain elements. Its world building is limited and so much needs to be assumed regarding how they live their lives. So in order to make up for that, you have to have AT AT's, AT ST's, X-Wings, Tie Fighters, Star Destroyers, lightsabers, and all this other crap to make it recognizably Star Wars. And you are distinctly limited to the kinds of stories you can tell. It's boring. What more could they possibly hope to get more out of Star Wars? What exactly is left to milk? Or left to say? And the things that want to be said likely can't be said because all of the above - Star Wars has fit specific qualifiers - since it's a part of a corporate machine.

How isn't it limited? Seriously?

You will have Empire Tech. You will have Jedis. Yes, that is part of the deal, but it's not limiting. Lucas prequels added to the world. You had different ships. Stormtroopers appear as an invention in the second film. So, *gasp*, you can have inventions and move forward. You just know how to world build from within an established world.

There is nothing about that world that states you have to rehash the same plot over and over. Not the pulp origins. Not the Jedi. Nothing. The rehashing is a product of lack of creative courage.

When the only major difference is different ships, now you know you've got a limited universe. The universe could be something more but it won't ever be because of the lack of creative courage. Could you imagine a Star Wars movie about regular people impacted by their wars and not a single Jedi or Sith shows up the entire movie?

It gets compared often, so I'll use it. Let's compare Star Wars to Gundam. Both have a canonical timeline (UC in Gundam's case) that has each entry follow up on the net. Gundam is about the atrocity and sin of war. Gundam is about Gundam's and Zaku's and dudes in white masks and newtypes but they've taken multiple Gundam series and changed them. Like, you've got Gundam 0080, where it stars a child who lives on a space colony far removed from the fighting of the war. It uses this canvas to tell a story about idolizing war, using war to sell the glorification and idea of war to school children. It tells a beautiful story that takes place far beyond what's going on in the main plot of the original series, 0079.

You could never have something like that with Star Wars.

Normally space opera uses their universe as a canvas to tell different kinds of stories. I've already mentioned Star trek. I've already mentioned Gundam. But Star Wars, more than any space opera I can think of, uses far less interesting ideas and any time it goes beyond its working model, it kinda sucks. And yet each new Star Wars is another retread, even its expanded media. Gundam is a series as old as Star Wars and yet has far more pathos and depth. Gundam even abandoned its main storyline and completed it. Something Star Wars will never do. Now Gundam makes a new series and while they have those elements mentioned before (Gundams, Zakus, men in white masks) each new series is about something different. Maybe it's about aliens from the moon trying to invade a scientifically remedial Earth. Maybe it's about terrorism, and the way the main characters' justify their awful acts. Maybe it's about child soldiers who were forced to in order to survive. The point is: there's diversity there. There's depth there. Star Wars even 40 years later, is still about light and dark, good and evil. And it took 40 years for them to bother to have a gray point of view and they even back tracked on that.

If I were to compare Star Wars to the multitude of space opera media I've consumed, at this point it's probably near the bottom. It's just completely lacking everything. The only thing it has in its favor is nostalgia, and even that's losing its shine because of a Star Wars movie every year.

I bet that by the end of Disney's milk fest a lot of people will realize just how shit Star Wars really is.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 19, 2017, 03:37:25 PM
So, now that there have been two bad Star Wars movies in a row, do you think Disney will just cancel the franchise after the Han Solo movie is poorly received? Or do you think they’ll maybe try to save the franchise by rolling Star Wars into the Marvel universe?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: etiolate on December 19, 2017, 03:41:01 PM
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It gets compared often, so I'll use it. Let's compare Star Wars to Gundam.

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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2017, 03:48:56 PM
So, now that there have been two bad Star Wars movies in a row, do you think Disney will just cancel the franchise after the Han Solo movie is poorly received? Or do you think they’ll maybe try to save the franchise by rolling Star Wars into the Marvel universe?

The Han Solo movie that has been in production hell? Oh I'm sure it'll be a great movie. Then you'll have JJ tie up loose ends horrifically and they'll have the last side film which also will be in production hell due to creative differences.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 19, 2017, 03:55:36 PM
So, now that there have been two bad Star Wars movies in a row, do you think Disney will just cancel the franchise after the Han Solo movie is poorly received? Or do you think they’ll maybe try to save the franchise by rolling Star Wars into the Marvel universe?

The Han Solo movie that has been in production hell? Oh I'm sure it'll be a great movie. Then you'll have JJ tie up loose ends horrifically and they'll have the last side film which also will be in production hell due to creative differences.

Any theories on how they’ll retcon GotG2 so that Han Solo could be Star-Lord’s real dad?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 19, 2017, 04:22:10 PM
I again must state that I cannot understand the love for the rlm people

There is a cult of opinion aura that has grown around their fandom as the last word in nerd circles which is a bit annoying but whatever. Sometimes I agree with them sometimes I don't. Like any critic. They are better when analyzing traditional nerd fare like Star Wars and Superhero films, etc. Less so when it expands out of those circles.



That seems odd since they frequently say they're just idiots in Wisconsin getting drunk and talking about dumb movies.

This is the age of youtube and fandom born out of it. People in Wisconsin can have the same effect as any think-tank or major publication. Their takedown of the prequels are the defining takedowns of that franchise among filmdom/fandom. They have a big effect and despite the false modesty they know it.

They even got a little pissy about it imo when their was backlash to their rogue one opinion. Not that I disagreed with them on that one.

I don't think they are the issue. Anyone is entitled to their opinion. It's over-zealous fans who parrot them exclusively without sometimes seeming like they have their own opinions which gives a negative opinion. But that could be said towards any influential "tastemaker".

An opinion on a movie is just an opinion. It helps set debate. It's not just the final word on a debate.
 
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2017, 04:37:24 PM
Yeah, I was never one of those Star Wars super geeks. I just liked the movies. I picked maybe one or two Star Wars books at a book fair in 5th grade and played KOTOR 1 and 2. That's about it. So I only every really had the movies to go by, which gave sizable gaps. So having so much Star Wars exposure is honestly new to me.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Trurl on December 19, 2017, 04:49:18 PM
Fuck
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Trurl on December 19, 2017, 04:49:59 PM

Basically, when does Star Wars end?
When it ceases to be profitable. I enjoyed watching VIII but Star Wars is going to get real shitty real fast.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 19, 2017, 04:51:19 PM
For me I can say my issue isn't over exposure per se. I mean I can understand other people having a different opinion since there is a movie every year but for me the side projects and main movies were separate. I didn't like Rogue One but that had nothing to do with how I felt or processed Last Jedi. Movies 7, 8, and 9 were Star Wars. The rest of it I just ignore personally but then nowadays ignore a lot of pop culture. Over exposure doesn't seem to necessarily bother those super hero franchises and they are as over-exposed as anything I've ever seen. With the same exact narrow focus imo.

I'm also not willing to say Star Wars is limited yet but I also understand why people say that too. It's the fandom that potentially makes Star Wars limited. They are so fearful of not meeting expectations of the fans that it creatively puts them in a box.

I'm damn sure you can make Star Wars movies that feel different if they are allowed to be made. Whether that ever happens or not probably depends on a lot of different factors including burnout on the current formula.

I think the problem with The Last Jedi is an execution problem like any other film that doesn't reach its potential. For me its a "good" movie (or watchable movie) when I tend to want a great one from Star Wars. I have higher expectation from that franchise than I do for Star Trek movies for example where I'm slightly more tolerant of just being "good".

I do think Star Wars movies need some breathing room. But honestly I think that about everything and that just isn't the current environment when it comes to making movies currently. It's why pop corn movies in general are less interesting to me nowadays.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Huff on December 19, 2017, 05:17:56 PM
I don’t think the movie was bad but I kinda wish the new Star Wars movies hadn’t been made
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: etiolate on December 19, 2017, 05:32:23 PM
I don't read any news on the new SW films or watch shows about them outside of the RLM episodes. (Which is more for humor than fandom.) I only watch the trailers and the films. Probably won't get burnt out.

However, if you follow the hype cycle then you are going to flame out.

I was a massive star wars fan, but you don't gain anything out of the hype cycle.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2017, 05:35:16 PM
I don't read any news on the new SW films or watch shows about them outside of the RLM episodes. (Which is more for humor than fandom.) I only watch the trailers and the films. Probably won't get burnt out.

However, if you follow the hype cycle then you are going to flame out.

I was a massive star wars fan, but you don't gain anything out of the hype cycle.

This is all I do. I watch trailers, don't read much in the way of news or fan gossip/theory crafting or any of the hype crap. And I'm still "flamed out".
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on December 19, 2017, 05:46:58 PM
there was plenty of scope to do something interesting with the aftermath of the empire post ROTJ. could've had a babbies first sci fi version of the russian revolution or wiemar germany. plenty of parallels and broad strokes messages about the corruption of power, when revolutionary zeal turns to authoritarianism, how far you're willing to ape the despots you overthrew to protect what you believe in.

game of thrones doesn't have any trouble bridging these and that show is as dumb as they come.

they've painted themselves into a corner at this point though.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Bebpo on December 19, 2017, 05:50:17 PM
I always figured Star Wars was like Mass Effect. No reason you can't tell tons of planet stories.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 19, 2017, 06:03:42 PM
Honestly a lot of the discussion around Star Wars being limited seems to center around the notion that Rogue One was bad. And I don't think Rogue One is bad... so I also don't agree Star Wars is limited. There's plenty of stories to be told in the Star Wars world. They just have to be willing to tell those stories.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Bebpo on December 19, 2017, 06:10:48 PM
Like for a stupid example, what's stopping them from doing a story about aliens from far away that come to the galaxy to feed on the force or something?

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TEEEPO on December 19, 2017, 06:12:11 PM
the further star wars distances itself from the original trilogy, the better
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 19, 2017, 06:15:11 PM
I think most fans have a reasonable expectation that once Episode 9 is done and the spin off movie during that cycle are completed, that what comes after needs to be wholly new.

This late in, its probably unrealistic to expect them to suddenly start breaking with tradition.

Episode X whenever that lands needs to be a whole new kind of thing with new opportunities to do things different. I'm patient enough to wait for that to see if things really do change.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Nabbis on December 19, 2017, 06:42:44 PM
Episode 9? What the hell do they have left to show besides the upcoming love triangle?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 19, 2017, 07:04:38 PM
'Tis ranking time:
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5 > 4 > 6 > 8 > 7 > R1 > 3 > 1 >>> 2

 :patel

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Hell, the more I think about Ep. 8 the more I think it's just as good as the Return of the Jedi.
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If not better.  :doge
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Ep. VIII is better than VI, most definitely. RotJ turned the empire into Keystone Kops at Endor, just to sell some more teddie bears.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 19, 2017, 07:05:03 PM
Besides Luke's death, best scene in the movie.

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/7keqpx/full_conversation_between_luke_and/

Easily the best scene. Jolting compared to the stuff around it.

"Jolting" - :teehee
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 19, 2017, 07:10:34 PM
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>"It's time to end the Jedi, the First Order, the Rebels, all of it."

Hux shows up

>still a part of the First Order

Very risk, much development
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First off, spoiler that shit.

Secondly, yeah, since it puts
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Kylo in a position to manifest any changes he wants at the uppermost level of the FO, as well as be in the position to smash the Resistance, sure. You've misinterpreted Kylo's lies to and colluding with Hux as acquiescence when it's actually manipulation toward Kylo's own ascendence. 
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2017, 07:24:40 PM
I think most fans have a reasonable expectation that once Episode 9 is done and the spin off movie during that cycle are completed, that what comes after needs to be wholly new.

This late in, its probably unrealistic to expect them to suddenly start breaking with tradition.

Episode X whenever that lands needs to be a whole new kind of thing with new opportunities to do things different. I'm patient enough to wait for that to see if things really do change.

Correct but I'd say we hope for something new. We don't expect.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 19, 2017, 07:28:27 PM
You = worked up.

Me = just liked the movie, don’t care you didn’t

You seem out to prove the movie is objectively bad, that doesn’t mean everyone who disagrees with you thinks it’s objectively good.

This is what's driving me crazy. I think the movie has flaws, but Himu's just going desperately bombastic in the attempt to objectively prove what is inherently subjective. My sister does the same thing, so I've got some sibling baggage tied up in this fight. Trying to isolate those emotions is troublesome.  :-\
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2017, 07:41:53 PM
No. I think the problem is that the movie is the definition of love it or hate it. That said, I don't actually hate it. I'm frustratingly disappointed. The thing about TLJ is that depending on what you like about Star Wars or what you want from Star Wars certain things might be nitpicks or they might be massive flaws. Some people like things that I disliked about it, and others disliked what I liked about it. The movie is a fucking Star Wars Rorschach test: what you personally see is what you get. A lot of the things we are talking about not just mere flaws to me, they are deal breakers. I realize some people like it and I actually in some way understand why. We are going at this from our point of view. I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm just talking shit because I'm depressed and need something to talk about. What a lot of people who like the movie cannot GET is that shit that they just find mildly annoying or a flaw or whatever is a massive NO to other people. You might stomach some sections of the movie but I found them boring af. In your own way, by saying,"the movie has flaws but they didn't bother me as much" are you not relaying the movie objectively as you see it from your pov? So come on. Let's not act like it doesn't take two to dance.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Freyj on December 19, 2017, 09:03:35 PM
the beetles joke in that rlm killed me

I had to pause the goddam video
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 19, 2017, 09:16:14 PM
Kylo doesn't go on to fight for the FO. He becomes the leader of the FO. He kills Snoke because he takes the suggestions from Rey and the influences from Snoke and interprets them in a different way. In Rey's opinion you should learn from the past and bring elements from the past with you (she takes the Jedi books). Kylo wants to destroy the past and move on. Burn it all. Snoke is an element from his past, same as Luke. He destroys his past and assumes the leadership because he feels he can fix it. He thinks he and Rey are the same and they can fix it. Rey rejects this.

The interesting aspect - to me - is that Luke has similar views to Kylo, but again just a different interpretation of the same concept.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Bebpo on December 19, 2017, 09:34:11 PM
Episode 9? What the hell do they have left to show besides the upcoming love triangle?

Idk, I'm curious to see what Kylo Ren does next.

Also curious to see if Finn EVER DEVELOPS JEDI POWERS  :maf
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on December 19, 2017, 09:51:20 PM
naw the final episode of tp is peak lynch

I liked the last episode but the one before it was too silly.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on December 19, 2017, 09:58:01 PM
Lol you people are crazy. Whatever magic SW had George Lucas already defiled it with the trifecta of prequel turd burgers.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TEEEPO on December 19, 2017, 10:02:13 PM
everything before the final episode sans the stan brakhage episode was silly
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on December 19, 2017, 10:08:31 PM
everything before the final episode sans the stan brakhage episode was silly

Well that's a matter of opinion. I draw the line at the Bob beach ball bouncing around playing rock am sock em with the one punch bathroom glove man.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Freyj on December 19, 2017, 10:13:11 PM
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Disney Channel’s The Force Diaries
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on December 19, 2017, 10:14:51 PM
Lol you people are crazy. Whatever magic SW had George Lucas already defiled it with the trifecta of prequel turd burgers.

I would argue it was mostly defiled in ROTJ, which had everything terrible about the prequels for most of the movie, but bolstered by a few really great, iconic to the series scenes. Literally just watch Luke/Vader/Palpatine scenes in that movie as everything else is trash.

Hmm, I couldn't agree. The main criticisms seem to stem from everything relating to Ewoks. You neglect to mention Jabba's lair and sail barge, everything about which is classic through and through and the best space battle I've ever seen that still hasn't been topped  decades later.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2017, 10:18:03 PM
No, Cindi, you're being a bombastic asshole in this thread since the movie came out for sure. You literally respond to every poster's opinion to tell they're wrong, even if it's something you agree with. And if someone posts "it was fine, whatever" that somehow sets you off even more than "loved it" or "hated it". You gotta chill, she breh.

Sorry. Either way. Time to move on. I didn't like the movie and I have no idea what else there is to say about Star Wars. I did rewatch the ANH the other night because I was in the mood and I don't exactly think it's a good movie anymore. I started ESB and find the intro with Luke lost to be complete banal filler. Andy was right that I used the thread as an excuse to harness my bad irl issues an outlet itt. Not a good look, but hopefully the content, sans my attitude tied with it of course, is understood.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on December 19, 2017, 10:19:42 PM
Lol you people are crazy. Whatever magic SW had George Lucas already defiled it with the trifecta of prequel turd burgers.

I would argue it was mostly defiled in ROTJ, which had everything terrible about the prequels for most of the movie, but bolstered by a few really great, iconic to the series scenes. Literally just watch Luke/Vader/Palpatine scenes in that movie as everything else is trash.

Hmm, I couldn't agree. The main criticisms seem to stem from everything relating to Ewoks. You neglect to mention Jabba's lair and sail barge, everything about which is classic through and through and the best space battle I've ever seen that still hasn't been topped  decades later.

Also let's not forget the Star Wars Holiday Special

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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 19, 2017, 10:24:00 PM
Chrono:

I figured her being reflected might mean she is another forced created being like Anakin. That said, she still shouldn't be able to fight like that with so little training.

I'm not sure I agree about the movies representation of the force. They movie definitely says that all life has the force and it doesn't belong to the light or the Jedi, but the problem is that the movie really doesn't represent that outside of Luke doing what he thinks is right and trying to get Kylo. Maybe Ben killing Snoke and all the guards, but I'm not convinced and we don't have a confirmation that action was done purely out of goodness. Rey herself still stays light and doesn't really do much in the way of dark actions. So I'm not seeing how the movie is gray.

To be honest, I kinda agree about Rey's unnatural fighting ability — but I suspect she's close to Anakin levels of Force-adept. She doesn't fight gracefully in TFA, and Kylo doesn't want her dead, he wants to take her captive and turn her — all while he's bleeding from a gut-shot from ol' "Uncle Chewie."

The movie has the Yin/Yang symbol as central, and the light/dark mosaic in the temple, but the point is that things can be more fuzzily defined than a binary dark/light choice. The implication is that these things feed into each other, that they are constantly in a struggle, and that's how it must be. 

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Rey's darkness is discovered by Luke, and shown somewhat by her rage-driven fighting style in TFA. She fights very similar to Darth Sidious in that film; there are articles on it. Kylo is tempted repeatedly toward the light. He needs the light, he is angry at his own need for the light, and resents it — but is ultimately unable to embrace it. He fails to kill his mother. He wants Rey to join him, mainly because he feels alone. Darth Emo is still in full effect here, but he's basically still a troubled youth who fell and wants to get up. I maintain that Kylo's fall and desire to maintain his power but his desire for acceptance is the story I wanted to see with Darth Vader's redemption, which I felt was incredibly rushed and trite.
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The closest we see of Luke being tempted toward darkness is him striking first in the Dagobah tree sequence, and also being the first to ignite his saber when confronting Vader on Bespin. The darkest he gets is when his emotions urge him to defend Leia in the Emperor's presence, nearly striking down his father. Luke's milquetoast throughout the series.

The disgruntled, disillusioned hermit kung-fu master Luke is absolutely my favorite version of him.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Freyj on December 19, 2017, 10:25:49 PM
 :idont

This is still the most even-keeled internet place I’ve been able to talk about this film’s strengths and weaknesses.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: zomgee on December 19, 2017, 10:27:52 PM
Lol you people are crazy. Whatever magic SW had George Lucas already defiled it with the trifecta of prequel turd burgers.

I would argue it was mostly defiled in ROTJ, which had everything terrible about the prequels for most of the movie, but bolstered by a few really great, iconic to the series scenes. Literally just watch Luke/Vader/Palpatine scenes in that movie as everything else is trash.

and the space battles hello
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 19, 2017, 10:31:31 PM
I again must state that I cannot understand the love for the rlm people

There is a cult of opinion aura that has grown around their fandom as the last word in nerd circles which is a bit annoying but whatever. Sometimes I agree with them sometimes I don't. Like any critic. They are better when analyzing traditional nerd fare like Star Wars and Superhero films, etc. Less so when it expands out of those circles.

My problem is that they've aligned themselves with negativity. I mean, they got big through the very much deserved takedown of the Prequels, but takedown culture in and of itself is just tiresome, destructive, and fosters pessimism.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Huff on December 19, 2017, 10:33:34 PM
I loved the Ewoks movies as a kid
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2017, 10:36:15 PM
The movie has the Yin/Yang symbol as central, and the light/dark mosaic in the temple, but the point is that things can be more fuzzily defined than a binary dark/light choice. The implication is that these things feed into each other, that they are constantly in a struggle, and that's how it must be. 

Can you expound upon this? I still see the movie as nothing but binary. Sell me on the gray. Gray is what I wanted. All I see is the usual black and white like a Bioware game. Rey is tempted by the darkness how? The movie says the cave represents the dark side  but the cave did not tempt her when she went in. She faced no trial. She just looked at a mirror. She didn't even have to work for her goodness. Not like Luke. And Snoke flat out said that the Force craves balance and needs an opposite of Kylo for balance. Kylo has pure fucking fury - that scares Luke even. Snoke outright said the Force made Rey his light counter part.

There's potential for going inside her fighting style. But they just barely touch on it. It shows Luke watching her, says he's scared of her. She knocks a rock off. But it doesn't present it as anything more than that.

Sell me on TLJ's vision of the force, Chrono.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TEEEPO on December 19, 2017, 10:38:59 PM
My problem is that they've aligned themselves with negativity. I mean, they got big through the very much deserved takedown of the Prequels, but takedown culture in and of itself is just tiresome, destructive, and fosters pessimism.

if i had the choice between banning either richard spencer types or youtube "film critics" from the platform, i'd go with the latter
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 19, 2017, 10:46:17 PM
Sell me on TLJ's vision of the force, Chrono.
I've already given that my best shot in my previous posts in this thread.

It's there in spades if you look for it, and I worry that your IRL problems are part of what's affecting your perspective. Not that you're wrong, you've just got blinders on so you can only see part of the picture. I don't see the whole picture, either: my blinders are just pointed in a different direction.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 19, 2017, 11:03:49 PM
I have no idea what else there is to say about Star Wars.

Beyond I liked it for x reasons and disliked it for y reasons which applies to any movie and its place relative to the other films there really isn't a lot to say in general. I'm a Star Wars fan (although I'm a much bigger Trek fan) but its the most over-analyzed piece of Pop Culture there has ever been. These pop movies are analyzed like they are the dead sea scrolls.

I mean don't get me wrong. I can navel gazel on nerd minutiae as much if not more than any nerd. But the level it can get for Star Wars always strikes me as silly at a certain point. This crown jewel of nerdom causes so much heartache for some people.

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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2017, 11:06:41 PM
I just don't consider it much of a nerd thing because it's so pop. I think it's weird how people find something that is worth 4 billion dollars or more is a "nerd property" but that's one of my many (many) criticisms of nerd "culture" and I won't get into it.
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Post by: TVC15 on December 19, 2017, 11:13:28 PM
Lol you people are crazy. Whatever magic SW had George Lucas already defiled it with the trifecta of prequel turd burgers.

I would argue it was mostly defiled in ROTJ, which had everything terrible about the prequels for most of the movie, but bolstered by a few really great, iconic to the series scenes. Literally just watch Luke/Vader/Palpatine scenes in that movie as everything else is trash.

I honestly think the only bad thing about ROTJ is Endor. And at least we got cool speeder bikes out or that.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 19, 2017, 11:14:57 PM
My problem is that they've aligned themselves with negativity. I mean, they got big through the very much deserved takedown of the Prequels, but takedown culture in and of itself is just tiresome, destructive, and fosters pessimism.

They are definitely cranky old pessimists. To be fair though so am I. It feels good to be that sometimes in a world where it feels like everything already has pre-baked fandom built into it.

But I hear what you are saying. Outside of their Trek and Star Wars stuff, I prefer honestly them watching and examining bad movies and videotapes. The humour comes through stronger. And it just feels more fun and useful relative to them taking on whatever is the latest super hero blockbuster of the week. I don't need another take on Justice League. But having them dig up stuff like Surviving Edged Weapons is a much better piece of entertainment. 



Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 19, 2017, 11:19:05 PM
Lol you people are crazy. Whatever magic SW had George Lucas already defiled it with the trifecta of prequel turd burgers.

I would argue it was mostly defiled in ROTJ, which had everything terrible about the prequels for most of the movie, but bolstered by a few really great, iconic to the series scenes. Literally just watch Luke/Vader/Palpatine scenes in that movie as everything else is trash.

I honestly think the only bad thing about ROTJ is Endor. And at least we got cool speeder bikes out or that.

I almost agree with you. The bad things are:
1. Endor
2. ANOTHER Death Star
3. Vader's tacked-on redemption

We've got all this bullshit piled up around the feet of Vader, but the man maimed, tortured, killed, and betrayed his way through 30 years of fascist warmongering. Luke saying, "I sense good in you" is not enough to make up for all of that. Throwing the Emperor down a hole does not erase his crimes. Luke making peace with himself over his horrible dad is a good message, but "just try, and you can be forgiven" is too much a Christian savior cop-out for me.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on December 19, 2017, 11:21:08 PM
I just don't consider it much of a nerd thing because it's so pop. I think it's weird how people find something that is worth 4 billion dollars or more is a "nerd property" but that's one of my many (many) criticisms of nerd "culture" and I won't get into it.

Well I mean its pop because it so big but nerdom really does drive this franchise in a way it doesn't drive many others imo. It's why the franchise is so conservative with Disney. (Also because its disney of course). It feels like they are just so terrified of doing the wrong thing that they keep doing the same thing.

I compare it to Trek which often has periods like this but currently fortunately seems to be experimenting a lot more to redefine Trek by taking actual chances ala Discovery and Tarantino-Trek if that ever comes to life.

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Post by: TVC15 on December 19, 2017, 11:26:10 PM
Lol you people are crazy. Whatever magic SW had George Lucas already defiled it with the trifecta of prequel turd burgers.

I would argue it was mostly defiled in ROTJ, which had everything terrible about the prequels for most of the movie, but bolstered by a few really great, iconic to the series scenes. Literally just watch Luke/Vader/Palpatine scenes in that movie as everything else is trash.

I honestly think the only bad thing about ROTJ is Endor. And at least we got cool speeder bikes out or that.

I almost agree with you. The bad things are:
1. Endor
2. ANOTHER Death Star
3. Vader's tacked-on redemption

We've got all this bullshit piled up around the feet of Vader, but the man maimed, tortured, killed, and betrayed his way through 30 years of fascist warmongering. Luke saying, "I sense good in you" is not enough to make up for all of that. Throwing the Emperor down a hole does not erase his crimes. Luke making peace with himself over his horrible dad is a good message, but "just try, and you can be forgiven" is too much a Christian savior cop-out for me.

I agree with the Super Death Star, too. I guess it doesn’t bug me as much since the movie called for some sort of grand enemy base. They could’ve been more creative with it.

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Post by: Himu on December 19, 2017, 11:45:12 PM
Lol you people are crazy. Whatever magic SW had George Lucas already defiled it with the trifecta of prequel turd burgers.

I would argue it was mostly defiled in ROTJ, which had everything terrible about the prequels for most of the movie, but bolstered by a few really great, iconic to the series scenes. Literally just watch Luke/Vader/Palpatine scenes in that movie as everything else is trash.

I honestly think the only bad thing about ROTJ is Endor. And at least we got cool speeder bikes out or that.

I almost agree with you. The bad things are:
1. Endor
2. ANOTHER Death Star
3. Vader's tacked-on redemption

We've got all this bullshit piled up around the feet of Vader, but the man maimed, tortured, killed, and betrayed his way through 30 years of fascist warmongering. Luke saying, "I sense good in you" is not enough to make up for all of that. Throwing the Emperor down a hole does not erase his crimes. Luke making peace with himself over his horrible dad is a good message, but "just try, and you can be forgiven" is too much a Christian savior cop-out for me.

I think you're inserting what isn't there. No one in Jedi says Darth Vader was forgiven for his crimes. It isn't "I sense good in you" that pushes Vader to the light but his son being killed and hurt right in front of him. I think how they handled Vader was fine. Nowhere in Jedi does it ever say,"just try, and you can be forgiven". Vaders turns to the light side, dies, and then they celebrate. The only way you could infer any of this is by his force ghost, but even that still means nothing like what you're saying.
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Post by: chronovore on December 19, 2017, 11:52:59 PM
You may be right; this is just my impression. I watched the movies in the theaters, in the order they came out, and none of the "fall of Anakin Skywalker" trappings had been invented by Lucas yet. It was just "Luke, I am your father" in ESB, then "Let's rule the galaxy as father and son," then "Luke, you saved me!" — Vader, you shit, you are not saved. You made a lifetime of bad choices, go lay in that bed you made.

However, to your point, Luke brings Vader's body down to the planet and gives him the funeral pyre AWAY from where anyone else would be. Laying him to rest is a personal act between father and son, not even one Leia participates in, and there's clearly no widespread news of Vader's redemption in the canon of VII or VIII.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 19, 2017, 11:54:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPZigWFyK2o

:lawd
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2017, 12:59:42 AM
I again must state that I cannot understand the love for the rlm people
White supremacy.
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Post by: Freyj on December 20, 2017, 01:29:06 AM
I again must state that I cannot understand the love for the rlm people
White supremacy.

(https://i.imgur.com/us1yFy0_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
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Post by: VomKriege on December 20, 2017, 01:41:13 AM
I mean really I'm not sure how you can even have expectations anymore for Star Wars. We're headed to 14 films or so in the future, it's basically James Bond or Godzilla at this point.
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Post by: Atramental on December 20, 2017, 01:41:36 AM
I again must state that I cannot understand the love for the rlm people
White supremacy.
(http://i.imgur.com/Cm6fQmo.gif)

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:doge
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 20, 2017, 01:51:52 AM
I like RLM because they are genuine and smart. Smart reviews by people who know what they are talking about, but don't feel like know it alls. They are also largely removed from "nerd culture", so you don't get that taint. I belive they can be a little to cynical sometimes, but they always seems at at least well reasoned.

I also like Oliver Harper, because he seems enthusiastic about movies and not a try hard.

Anyway, I've seen the movie 4 times now and I think I like it. I'm not really interested in writing up a big long essay because I'm not about that life, but the movie is ok. It's more interesting thematically then TFA, I like Rey and Kylo, Luke's depiction was good, I like Finn despite his busy work plot, and there's cool stuff in the movie.

I dislike the Snoke stuff, the casino planet and that plot, the world and conflict, and the movie's dedication to failure.

What I mean is that Rose and Finn should have achieved something. A small victory, but not their primary goal. Maybe thanks to them they find the planet with the rebel base, I don't know. But something to not make their whole plot feel pointless, but to sell the point that even in failure you can learn something/earn something/whatever.  The movie is somewhat missing that part of the lesson. That there is success in failure.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2017, 02:30:31 AM
I've seen the movie 4 times now and I think I like it. I'm not really interested in writing up a big long essay because I'm not about that life
:jeanluc
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Post by: kingv on December 20, 2017, 08:51:48 AM
My problem is that they've aligned themselves with negativity. I mean, they got big through the very much deserved takedown of the Prequels, but takedown culture in and of itself is just tiresome, destructive, and fosters pessimism.

if i had the choice between banning either richard spencer types or youtube "film critics" from the platform, i'd go with the latter

At least Richard Spencer is out there telling kids to drink their milk.
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Post by: chronovore on December 20, 2017, 09:37:43 AM
https://twitter.com/kateleth/status/942838629696643072
:lol
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Post by: bork on December 20, 2017, 10:04:29 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXlao2KNYjQ
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Post by: bork on December 20, 2017, 10:36:02 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDxNPxbpFmo
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 20, 2017, 10:40:21 AM
I again must state that I cannot understand the love for the rlm people
White supremacy.

(https://i.imgur.com/us1yFy0_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
For a second I thought that guy had a ponytail, and then I realized it was just something in the background. I was gearing up to son him so hard
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 20, 2017, 03:06:42 PM
http://www.slashfilm.com/reys-parents-rian-johnson/ (http://www.slashfilm.com/reys-parents-rian-johnson/)

Spoilers in the link, obviously.

I love Rian's explanation for this choice.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 20, 2017, 04:16:07 PM
http://www.slashfilm.com/reys-parents-rian-johnson/ (http://www.slashfilm.com/reys-parents-rian-johnson/)

Spoilers in the link, obviously.

I love Rian's explanation for this choice.

It was the best possible decision, really.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Rey is a nobody. Her parents were nobodies. The idea that she had to be SOMEBODY in order to be the hero of the movie was always pretty ridiculous, especially the fan theories that she was Obiwan's granddaughter or something. *insert massive eyeroll* Doing it this way also ties in nicely with the final scene.
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Post by: team filler on December 20, 2017, 04:17:06 PM
can rian johnson go back and finish Lost for abrams too?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 20, 2017, 05:17:02 PM
I had plenty of issues with the movie.

But I won't lie. It does make me happy that a lot of pissed off internet nerds are foaming at the mouth over this stuff.

And honestly over such minor stuff. That movie is so tame. If they did the stuff I would like to see these people would be taking to the streets.


 
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Post by: Himu on December 20, 2017, 05:18:15 PM
Yeah, as much I dislike the movie foaming at the mouth about the treatment of Luke (which was done perfectly IMHO) and Rey's lack of importance parents (which is great) is the least of the movies problems.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on December 20, 2017, 05:34:03 PM
I can only hope Himuro brings even 1/10 of her critical thinking skills and failure to reconnect with what she liked earlier in life that she's brought to Star War to Shenmue 3.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 20, 2017, 05:38:19 PM
I can only hope Himuro brings even 1/10 of her critical thinking skills and failure to reconnect with what she liked earlier in life that she's brought to Star War to Shenmue 3.

Don't worry. I gotchu bb.

PLEASE DON'T CALL ME HIMURO BLAME NOBUHIRO WATSUKI :brazilcry :stop
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Post by: etiolate on December 20, 2017, 06:55:23 PM
The answer is basically that she's randomly super powerful.


The way Poe and Finn are fucked over may be dumber though. Their life lesson is basically, "Don't be yourself, it's wrong. Don't try to solve problems. Let authority and love save you."
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Post by: chronovore on December 20, 2017, 07:23:00 PM
Lulz so many nerds were mad about TLJ's audience score on RT that RT had to make a statement that they weren't hacked and the score is accurate. Officially the lowest ranking from audiences of the entire series.

It's not hacked; it's that RT doesn't have safeguards for multiple votes from the same IP address. This is absolutely the work of disgruntled nerdpickers.
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Post by: chronovore on December 20, 2017, 08:08:26 PM
http://www.slashfilm.com/reys-parents-rian-johnson/ (http://www.slashfilm.com/reys-parents-rian-johnson/)

Spoilers in the link, obviously.

I love Rian's explanation for this choice.

Me, too. It's exactly what it should be.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Nola on December 20, 2017, 09:34:26 PM
Wasn’t one of the biggest complaints last film with Rey being OP’d was that final fight? Which I thought they explained in this film pretty well.

Though to be honest, I am not some big follower of Star Wars and only saw TFA twice and TLJ once. So maybe my memory is foggy.
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Post by: Himu on December 20, 2017, 10:00:24 PM
Wasn’t one of the biggest complaints last film with Rey being OP’d was that final fight? Which I thought they explained in this film pretty well.

Though to be honest, I am not some big follower of Star Wars and only saw TFA twice and TLJ once. So maybe my memory is foggy.

They still don't explain it well in this film. She was able to take on like 10 of Snoke's best dudes without any real Jedi training. Being strong in the force doesn't mean jack. Even Luke, who was apparently considered the most powerful Jedi of all time apparently? had his struggles and pitfalls in training.
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Post by: Momo on December 20, 2017, 10:10:04 PM
^I think Anakin was still stronger pre and post black raincoat, Luke was just the one that brings 'balance'
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Post by: Mandark on December 20, 2017, 10:10:14 PM
Han Solo snuck through a forcefield by manually dropping his ship outta lightspeed.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on December 20, 2017, 10:37:34 PM
Here's how I see the force users (excluding darth plagueis because you cant rank a tale) we've seen
- Best Saber Dueler - Darth Maul
- Strongest (over 9000 midichlorians) in dbz power - Anakin Skywalker
- Best mastery of force - Palpatine/Yoda
- Most balanced between power and force mastery - Count Dooku
- Most studious and inventive - Qui Gon Jin

I dont really see obi wan as the best in any field, same with Luke. Tbh I still dont exactly understand what 'balance' he was supposed to bring that wasnt there before.
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Post by: Himu on December 20, 2017, 11:19:14 PM
I thought it was fine in TFA for the reasons you said but like 5 or so of snoke's best men isn't the same as Kylo bleeding out with barely any actual Jedi training.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on December 21, 2017, 12:03:25 AM
Here's how I see the force users (excluding darth plagueis because you cant rank a tale) we've seen
- Best Saber Dueler - Darth Maul
- Strongest (over 9000 midichlorians) in dbz power - Anakin Skywalker
- Best mastery of force - Palpatine/Yoda
- Most balanced between power and force mastery - Count Dooku
- Most studious and inventive - Qui Gon Jin

I dont really see obi wan as the best in any field, same with Luke. Tbh I still dont exactly understand what 'balance' he was supposed to bring that wasnt there before.

Yet Obi-Wan beat two of those in duels (Maul and Anakin) and who knows if he could have beat Vader later in life as an old man, because he chose to become one with the force instead
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Post by: agrajag on December 21, 2017, 12:58:29 AM
The answer is basically that she's randomly super powerful.


The way Poe and Finn are fucked over may be dumber though. Their life lesson is basically, "Don't be yourself, it's wrong. Don't try to solve problems. Let authority and love save you."

Why can't she be randomly super powerful and the Skywalker clan Can?

Maybe she has a really high midichlorian count.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 21, 2017, 01:02:01 AM
I think Batman could beat Vader if he had prep time.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on December 21, 2017, 02:29:06 AM
Here's how I see the force users (excluding darth plagueis because you cant rank a tale) we've seen
- Best Saber Dueler - Darth Maul
- Strongest (over 9000 midichlorians) in dbz power - Anakin Skywalker
- Best mastery of force - Palpatine/Yoda
- Most balanced between power and force mastery - Count Dooku
- Most studious and inventive - Qui Gon Jin

I dont really see obi wan as the best in any field, same with Luke. Tbh I still dont exactly understand what 'balance' he was supposed to bring that wasnt there before.

Yet Obi-Wan beat two of those in duels (Maul and Anakin) and who knows if he could have beat Vader later in life as an old man, because he chose to become one with the force instead
Let's be fair, Darth Maul won that duel he was just a complete moron being boastful or whatever. Also with Vader he had the higher ground, unassailable tactics  :rollsafe
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Post by: chronovore on December 21, 2017, 03:10:46 AM
Wasn’t one of the biggest complaints last film with Rey being OP’d was that final fight? Which I thought they explained in this film pretty well.

Though to be honest, I am not some big follower of Star Wars and only saw TFA twice and TLJ once. So maybe my memory is foggy.

They still don't explain it well in this film. She was able to take on like 10 of Snoke's best dudes without any real Jedi training. Being strong in the force doesn't mean jack. Even Luke, who was apparently considered the most powerful Jedi of all time apparently? had his struggles and pitfalls in training.
It looked more to me as though Kylo takes out most of them, and Rey takes on one at a time, except for one instance where she has two on her, and Kylo saves her bacon.

^I think Anakin was still stronger pre and post black raincoat, Luke was just the one that brings 'balance'
Anakin is the prophesied one who brings balance.

Qui-Gonn is correct, because Anakin is eventually the guy who throws Palpatine into the hole. Luke refuses to kill Vader, and throws away his laser sword while smirking at Palpatine. Like he's expecting to be excused or some shit.  ::)
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Post by: VomKriege on December 21, 2017, 03:28:51 AM
The balance of 2 siths versus unspecified unlimited Jedi numbers, the balance of wiping all Jedis save 2 that we know of or the balance of no Siths ?

Such rich lore.
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Post by: paprikastaude on December 21, 2017, 07:12:10 AM
Movie was okay to good, but there's no way I'm gonna care about the Johnson trilogy now, even if you excluded the SW oversaturation. Because ultimately the best parts of the movie are things he could take from older films. Like John Williams. But mainly the decent characters from 7 and the legendary characters from before. Luke and Kylo were great, Boyega was okay (until they ruined his payoff).

However, the execution of some admittedly interesting ideas was severely hampered by poor directing. I think everyone agrees that the structure and pacing is a huge mess. It's like 2 nonsensically connected movies and a bunch of weird TV-scifi filler in one. What I don't think is discussed enough is that the cinematography is competent at the very best, but mostly a CGI shitshow on par with the 4-6 remasters. TFA wasn't exactly Fury Road, but at least they restrained themselves and delivered some kind of visual identity. This movie went full on back into George Lucas territory. In fact,
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Atlantic City
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was basically a prequel scene in every aspect. I didn't mind many of the other non-visual gags, though that intro sequence was  :holeup :holeup 

I wish the film's good parts were in a better movie. I still like TFA despite the pandering though.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 21, 2017, 08:53:40 AM
The balance of 2 siths versus unspecified unlimited Jedi numbers, the balance of wiping all Jedis save 2 that we know of or the balance of no Siths ?

Such rich lore.

I'll admit to laughing. You make good points.

Who knows? Maybe the Sith were restored due to the Jedi having too much power?  ;)
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Post by: paprikastaude on December 21, 2017, 09:07:41 AM
I forgot: What was up with Benicio del Toro-guy  :kobeyuck :nope
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Post by: chronovore on December 21, 2017, 09:14:00 AM
I forgot: What was up with Benicio del Toro-guy  :kobeyuck :nope

Rian forgot, too.

Maybe the plan was to follow up in Ep. IX? Failure may be the greatest teacher, but it seemed to be all-fail on all-plans, all-day in VIII…
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Post by: paprikastaude on December 21, 2017, 09:34:39 AM

Rian forgot, too.

Maybe the plan was to follow up in Ep. IX? Failure may be the greatest teacher, but it seemed to be all-fail on all-plans, all-day in VIII…

Obviously. Who wants more of that though.
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Post by: nachobro on December 21, 2017, 09:52:50 AM
Saw it. Movie was whatever, kind lame. Luke was bitchmade, so was Snoke. That was probably the biggest bummer. The entire casino thing was completely pointless (unless I missed something?). The hyperspace ramming thing was cool though.
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Post by: agrajag on December 21, 2017, 01:29:34 PM
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Post by: Himu on December 21, 2017, 01:30:19 PM
:lol

Best thing to come out of TLJ :rofl
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Post by: agrajag on December 21, 2017, 01:31:58 PM
I was thinking his tits were looking j00cy during the movie
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Post by: Himu on December 21, 2017, 01:47:57 PM
Yeah he was so hot in that scene
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Post by: Momo on December 21, 2017, 01:49:07 PM
MODS HELP
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Post by: Tokyosandblaster on December 21, 2017, 02:23:30 PM
Let's rank these movies. 6-5-8-4-1-7-3------------RO--2
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Post by: Atramental on December 21, 2017, 02:40:18 PM
5-4-8-6-7---RO--3-1------2

 :doge
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Post by: agrajag on December 21, 2017, 02:48:59 PM
V > IV > VI > VIII > R1 > III > VII > I > II
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 21, 2017, 03:00:04 PM
I need to see this again, because the more I've thought about it, the more I think I may like it even moreso than TFA.

My ranking:

Empire > New Hope > Force Awakens > Last Jedi > Return of the Jedi > Revenge of the Sith > Phantom Menace > Attack of the Clones
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Post by: Stoney Mason on December 21, 2017, 03:13:55 PM
A New Hope is my favorite.  Empire Strikes Back and Force Awakens I like at about the same level after that.

Follow that with these two movies in that order.
 
Return of The Jedi
The Last Jedi.


The prequels are all shit and not even worth discussion outside of how to fuck something up so ranking them is pointless to me.
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Post by: Himu on December 21, 2017, 03:18:10 PM
ESB > ROTJ > TFA > ANH > ROTS > R1 > TLJ > TPM > AOTC
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Post by: Atramental on December 21, 2017, 03:18:12 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/TMSTCBM.jpg?1)

 :doge
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Post by: Tasty on December 21, 2017, 04:18:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9bww6R3qDs
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Post by: ToxicAdam on December 21, 2017, 04:55:16 PM
Watching this movie made me realize something I missed. The movie where Luke Skywalker is a complete badass and taking out remnants of the old Empire.

You get a small taste of it in RotJ and none of it in the new movies.

The prequels were all crap, but at least the Jedis felt like the cool samurais that they are.

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Post by: chronovore on December 21, 2017, 06:46:29 PM
http://www.slashfilm.com/the-last-jedi-defense/
Quote
Maybe it’s dangerous to worship our heroes to the point of idolatry, to convince ourselves that they can never do wrong, never make mistakes, and never let their hubris create monsters that threaten a new generation. Johnson sends Luke out on a high note, allowing him one more showdown with his former pupil in a fight that is pacifistic resistance at its most grand and extreme, but it’s the final gasp of the hero we once knew. Long live Luke Skywalker…but never forget that he erred. That he done fucked up.

:salute
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Post by: paprikastaude on December 21, 2017, 06:51:55 PM
Luke admitting on
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ganging up on Kyle
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was one of the best Star Wars moments.
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Post by: chronovore on December 21, 2017, 06:54:20 PM
Luke admitting on
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was one of the best Star Wars moments.

What do you mean, "ganging up"? He was alone. You suggesting he brought R2 as backup?
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Post by: Himu on December 21, 2017, 06:59:10 PM
I liked how their perspectives were different. From Kylo's perspective Luke had these "I MUST SLAY THIS MENACE NOW" eyes that were really scary. Luke in his version had normal eyes.
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Post by: chronovore on December 21, 2017, 07:03:30 PM
I liked how their perspectives were different. From Kylo's perspective Luke had these "I MUST SLAY THIS MENACE NOW EYES" that were really scary. Luke in his version had normal eyes.
Yeah, absolutely one of the high points in the film for me. I felt like it was a callback to Rashōmon, how things /are/ actually true "…from a certain perspective."
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Post by: Himu on December 21, 2017, 07:04:40 PM
Yeah I really liked that a lot. How no perspective or interpretation was truly wrong.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on December 21, 2017, 07:06:02 PM
I liked how their perspectives were different. From Kylo's perspective Luke had these "I MUST SLAY THIS MENACE NOW" eyes that were really scary. Luke in his version had normal eyes.

Very Rashomon way to handle it, thought it was well done.

Also:

ESB > ANH = TLJ > ROTJ > TFA > RO > TPM > ROTS > AOTC
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 21, 2017, 07:10:10 PM
ESB > ANH > ROTJ = TFA > TLJ > RO > ROTS > TPM > Holiday Special >>> AOTC
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 21, 2017, 07:25:49 PM
I still haven’t seen RO, can’t bring myself to care about it
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Post by: Himu on December 21, 2017, 07:28:03 PM
I still haven’t seen RO, can’t bring myself to care about it

Don't bother.
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Post by: Mandark on December 21, 2017, 07:34:28 PM
Have it one in the background while you're folding laundry or going through your mail, then pay attention for the last half hour.
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Post by: Atramental on December 21, 2017, 07:43:18 PM
I still haven’t seen RO, can’t bring myself to care about it
You wouldn't miss anything too important if you didn't watch it.

It's essentially a pretty good, high budget Star Wars fan film.  :doge


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watch it while baked  ;)
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 21, 2017, 07:44:32 PM
I've seen RO twice. I found it to be an enjoyable mess with a good final act.
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Post by: paprikastaude on December 21, 2017, 07:56:20 PM
RO is (bad) fan fiction with a big budget.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on December 21, 2017, 08:13:36 PM
When I did my rankings, I forgot Rogue One exists. That's how unnecessary it feels.

It's not as bad as the prequels once again but its a very very very average movie. I have no desire ever to see it again. The 2nd viewing was actually hard to sit through

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wji-BZ0oCwg

Great Teaser trailer though. I kinda had high hopes after seeing that. 
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Post by: Himu on December 21, 2017, 08:24:01 PM
I thought it was as bad as the prequels. Eel summarized why a few pages back: it feels like you're watching someone play a video game than watching a movie with a narrative. I feel similar regarding the prequels. It also has characters that are just tropes and the movie expects you to nod your head and just go with the minimal characterization. Just like the prequels.
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Post by: BlueTsunami on December 21, 2017, 08:28:53 PM
I remember when I had this internal image of Rogue One being some stone cold Villeneuve like take on the universe. That Vader scene I feel was a glimpse of what could have been. Its too bad everything has to be beholden to the "adventure" instead of just carving out a good story.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on December 21, 2017, 08:33:57 PM
I thought it was as bad as the prequels. Eel summarized why a few pages back: it feels like you're watching someone play a video game than watching a movie with a narrative. I feel similar regarding the prequels. It also has characters that are just tropes and the movie expects you to nod your head and just go with the minimal characterization. Just like the prequels.

For me nothing touches the prequels. They are on a level of bad that permeates every single scene. They are some of the the most incompetent movies ever made. Certainly the highest big budget ones ever made. They are on a scale of badness from an old man that fundamentally has lost his connection to a franchise he started. That are sad in both a mocking way and the embarrassing way when a once genius has lost his touch on a profound level.

Rogue One in that regard is just average for me. It's like every other mediocre film I see and say yeah that's a film alright and quickly put it out of my mind. Rogue One feels like a factory film that anybody could have made and it wouldn't make a difference.

The prequels are a unique level of awful that only Lucas at that time could have made.
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Post by: BlueTsunami on December 21, 2017, 08:39:06 PM
The prequels are like an appendix that you curiously flip through but soon realize you could easily be watching paint dry instead
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Post by: Stoney Mason on December 21, 2017, 08:47:43 PM
The prequels are like an appendix that you curiously flip through but soon realize you could easily be watching paint dry instead

I must admit on a meta level I find the prequels fascinating. Still do. Rarely do you get to see a trainwreck of those proportions on such a scale. Especially for something that was pretty well respected before that. It's not like somebody putting out a string of transformers movies that we all know are going to be shit.
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Post by: etiolate on December 21, 2017, 08:48:55 PM
I suppose I like the prequels more than others. I feel there's enjoyable shit surrounded by elements that do not match up with the good parts. They also completely struck out on actors with any chemistry together on the main romance plot.

Obi-wan and Palpatine are solid. Dooku is good.  However, the grander story of manipulation and politics never matched up with the Darth Vader story of Star Wars. The prequels also at least had a direction underneath it all with those two elements, even if they clashed. The new films? I don't know where they're going and they don't make you care where they're going with the whole thing.

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Post by: Stoney Mason on December 21, 2017, 09:01:00 PM
The only positive thing I can say about the prequels is that they led to those animated shows which do their best to try to salvage what those three movies were. That's admirable in a way even if ultimately its a larger business decision on top that is dictating the existence of them.

My only large scale fundamental issue with episodes 7,8,9 is that its another retread of rebels versus the empire. They can give them different names if they want. It's the same shit. I thought whatever the conflict in these last three movies was it would be more interesting than that. Or at least explain it in greater detail how this happened again and make it part of the story. Instead its just an assumption that yep, it's the war that didn't really end after Return of the Jedi. It makes the ending movies not feel like ending movies if there is just another big war 20 years down the line again.

My fear is literally that "Star Wars" is a never ending Star War. Where as I just thought that name implied one particularly big event to kick off the franchise.
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Post by: Himu on December 21, 2017, 09:12:02 PM
My fear is literally that "Star Wars" is a never ending Star War. Where as I just thought that name implied one particularly big event to kick off the franchise.

You can argue i's now like Friday the 13th. Just another popular franchise with a never ending story with no plan, you could argue. Very video game-ish.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 21, 2017, 11:00:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ymFxkFfIhU
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Post by: benjipwns on December 21, 2017, 11:07:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wji-BZ0oCwg

Great Teaser trailer though. I kinda had high hopes after seeing that. 
To be fair, most of those shots aren't even in the movie.
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Post by: eleuin on December 21, 2017, 11:53:10 PM
who in the star wars universe approved of the design policy where someone has to go down with the ship

whats the worst that could happen if someone isn't piloting

c3po should've taken one for the team
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Post by: benjipwns on December 21, 2017, 11:57:29 PM
the auteur speaks: https://www.wired.com/story/rian-johnson-star-wars-last-jedi/
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Well, and you can tell me if I’m wrong here, but with The Last Jedi it felt like you were trying to push the idea of what a Star Wars movie could be a little bit further.

Johnson: That wasn’t a stated goal, pushing it forward or changing it or something. I just wanted to make a great Star Wars movie. The thing is I wanted to make a great movie also. That means creating drama with these characters, and that’s going to mean throwing tough stuff at them and taking it to new places. I wasn’t coming in thinking, “We gotta freshen this up! How do I evolve this?” That was the last thing on my mind. But I also came in trying to be unafraid of going to some places if that’s what the story ended up requiring.

Is the new trilogy something you could bring other writers or directors in for? I saw a quote from you the other day where you said you’d like to see more women and people of color directing Star Wars movies, is this an opportunity to do that?

Johnson: Hell yes. Yeah, I’m thinking about that, absolutely. I know I’m going to write and direct the first one, I know I’m going to come up with the story for the entire trilogy. Beyond that, I just don’t know yet. We’re still figuring out how this going to go. But all of those things you just listed are very much on my mind right now.

Do you have dream collaborators?

Johnson: I’ve got plenty. I don’t want to do a list of them right now because I have so many I would inevitably leave out some and then those would be the ones I would end up working with. I have so many folks I know would excel in this world. We’ll see.
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So, tell me about the space battles. Were those maneuvers inspired by any real military battles?

Johnson: That’s a good question. Obviously the opening sequence was led by the notion of, I just read a lot about World War II bombing runs—how they worked and how these were big, unmaneuverable beasts that the more nimble fighters would have to protect and how the bombing runs worked. I also looked at a bunch World War II movies. So Twelve O’Clock High was a big reference for me. Just the way that whole sequence played out was very much from studying bombing runs. You can see little cues from other things. For example the ski-speeders at the end. I wanted them to feel very rickety and we kind of went with an open cockpit that was very reminiscent of World War I planes, old biplanes. I thought the notion of this older military technology coming up against the equivalent of a modern Apache helicopter would be really terrifying. Similar to the way [George] Lucas drew from the film The Dam Busters for the trench run for the Death Star, you always try to draw from any real-life source that you can for these things.

I gotta ask, then: Do the First Order or the Resistance have any real-world equivalents in your mind? Any real rebellions?

Johnson: I can’t think of any real-world equivalents that come to mind at all... [Laughs] No, I’m kidding. Take your pick! I think that less drawing from a specific rebellion or a specific situation, it was much more the archetype of a rebellion or the archetype of a resistance. For me that means they’re underdogs, they’re outnumbered, they’re outmatched. And, in this particular chapter, they’re on the run and desperately fighting for their survival. The notion that they should be dead by now but they’re being kept alive basically just by hope, and when that goes they’ll go. That was the foundation, more so than a specific case of rebels.

Right. I ask because I remember back in the day George Lucas compared Darth Vader to George W. Bush and Emperor Palpatine to Dick Cheney, so I was wondering who you think is Kylo Ren and who you think is Supreme Leader Snoke...

Johnson: Hahahaha! I love thinking about it, but I’d be more curious to hear everyone else’s answer. I have a feeling if I say my version of it then it’ll lead to nothing good.
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Post by: Momo on December 22, 2017, 12:03:27 AM
I honestly kind of hope George Lucas does another trilogy called Celestial Battles with 3 great movies that knock it all out the park, infuriating both Disney and Star Wars fans for him making great non continuity/out of religion movies. 
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Post by: chronovore on December 22, 2017, 12:04:58 AM
I honestly kind of hope George Lucas does another trilogy called Celestial Battles with 3 great movies that knock it all out the park, infuriating both Disney and Star Wars fans for him making great non continuity/out of religion movies.

Good luck with that. He had completely free reign with the Prequels. It did not work to his advantage.
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Post by: Atramental on December 22, 2017, 12:10:13 AM
Kinda wish there were more big budget space operas.

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a DUNE TV series with a GoT budget pls :noah
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Post by: Momo on December 22, 2017, 12:14:20 AM
Denis Villenueve is doing the next Dune movie, this is in religion for me :rejoice
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Post by: benjipwns on December 22, 2017, 12:25:37 AM
Outside of the prequels, Lucas hasn't directed a film since he was 32. Had a divorce that took half his Star Wars earnings prior to the 1990s. Built Lucasfilm, Lucasarts and ILM mostly out of his own pocket. Yet he's worth $5-6 billion today. His workaholic Indiana Jones buddy, who only had to pay $100 million of his divorce out, had others fund his playground studio for him, is only worth $3-4 billion. :american

Obviously Disney needs to be throwing money at him to help them with their MCU set Howard the Duck reboot to pick up the plot strands from the GOTG films.
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Post by: Momo on December 22, 2017, 12:39:38 AM
If Lucas comes up with the rough ideas/framework and hires competent writers, directors and cinematographers around him while not being overbearing and letting the director override him, it could be great.
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:sabu
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Post by: benjipwns on December 22, 2017, 12:43:07 AM
worked for Indiana Jones the first three times
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Post by: etiolate on December 22, 2017, 12:44:37 AM
I love Dune, but it's kind of hard to do in film. So much shit is in the character's head.
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Post by: TVC15 on December 22, 2017, 03:51:00 AM
worked for Indiana Jones the first time

ftfy
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Post by: benjipwns on December 22, 2017, 04:32:55 AM
ftfy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHSPf6x1Fdo
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 22, 2017, 04:40:06 AM
Empire>Return of the Jedi>A New Hope

Honestly my ranking is kind of pointless. I love Empire, but the OT is kind of just one big thing to me. The movies aren't separable.

So far I think this new trilogy is ok. Last Jedi is more interesting then TFA, but only because it was an odd movie. I'll say TFA is probably better, but I'll like watching Last Jedi more.

Rogue One is ok. Didn't really live up to its potential and kind of is just there. Looks cool though, but it's the movie people who want Star Wars to "grow up" want. And well yeah that's not Star Wars.

The Prequel trilogy sucks, but Phantom Menace at least feels like it has some life to it.
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Post by: TVC15 on December 22, 2017, 04:47:12 AM
ftfy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHSPf6x1Fdo

Crusade is watchable, but it’s really just Diet Raiders. It’s okay if you can’t get the real thing, but a toothless rehash if you can.

Raiders >>>>> Crusade > Doom > (but only slightly)  Crystal Skull

Doom has the better set pieces in the opening and the mine carts, but Crystal Skull is better when it comes to editing and pacing. Ultimately, in this case, the set pieces are more important.
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Post by: paprikastaude on December 22, 2017, 11:39:43 AM
I remember when I had this internal image of Rogue One being some stone cold Villeneuve like take on the universe. That Vader scene I feel was a glimpse of what could have been. Its too bad everything has to be beholden to the "adventure" instead of just carving out a good story.

This concept inherently could't work as long as they tried so hard to look exactly like Episode 4 (from CG dead actors, to the goofy green death laser and the orange glow in Vader's mask). Because the movie it mimics is a light hearted adventure film for kids. You can't mix this shit with weird (space) iraq war imagery, it's complete nonsense. RO felt as if it was made by some 15 year old edgelord who also wants his Zelda fairytale game to go all dark and gritty on the most shallow level.
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Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 22, 2017, 01:51:56 PM
I thought it was as bad as the prequels. Eel summarized why a few pages back: it feels like you're watching someone play a video game than watching a movie with a narrative. I feel similar regarding the prequels. It also has characters that are just tropes and the movie expects you to nod your head and just go with the minimal characterization. Just like the prequels.

I gotta say the video game criticism is valid for TLJ. When watching it some of the action sets were like 100% designed to be easily translated to like a Star Wars Battle Pod for example. I will admit to being okay with this because I love those things
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Post by: Tasty on December 22, 2017, 03:54:44 PM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/12/22/last-jedi-daily-grosses-are-swiftly-collapsing-the-worst-holds-of-all-9-star-wars-movies/
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Post by: TVC15 on December 22, 2017, 03:58:43 PM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/12/22/last-jedi-daily-grosses-are-swiftly-collapsing-the-worst-holds-of-all-9-star-wars-movies/

Cindi wins. Cindi always wins. Except for that liking animu and manga and Shenmue thing.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: paprikastaude on December 22, 2017, 04:00:19 PM
Well, seems like Rian Johnson didn't keep his own trilogy for long  :doge (Even though the movie has problems, it would be sad if they interpret the "backlash" as "don't try new things with established characters again" - can't wait for Indiana Jones 5 being another rehash that ignores that Ford is 80).

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Post by: Atramental on December 22, 2017, 04:06:12 PM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/12/22/last-jedi-daily-grosses-are-swiftly-collapsing-the-worst-holds-of-all-9-star-wars-movies/
Yep, figures.

As a designer I run into this all the time.

Most clients hate different/new/innovative/challenging stuff. Which is, ultimately, why humanity will end up going extinct.

Rightfully so. We fucking suck. :trumps

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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2017, 04:27:48 PM
TLJ "innovative/challenging" :rofl :crowdlaff
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Let's Cyber on December 22, 2017, 04:49:04 PM
What are the odds JJ Abrams just reverses course on a lot of this stuff? There are several things he could easily undo, even most of the deaths.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on December 22, 2017, 05:05:27 PM
What are the odds JJ Abrams just reverses course on a lot of this stuff? There are several things he could easily undo, even most of the deaths.

I doubt he will "undo" stuff. I think he will just make a JJ Abrams movie which will just be inherently different than a Rian Johnson movie because he is a different director with different values. (I mean that not as a diss on either guy. They just have completely different styles)
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Post by: etiolate on December 22, 2017, 05:11:16 PM
Does JJ do the next one?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 22, 2017, 05:14:18 PM
Yes
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Post by: Himu on December 22, 2017, 05:18:01 PM
It'll be funny if like how TLJ ignores everything that happened in TFA, the next one ignores everything that happens in TLJ because they're just dudes making shit up with no unified end goal or ending.
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Post by: etiolate on December 22, 2017, 05:22:38 PM
I hope Rose dies in the first act.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 22, 2017, 05:31:54 PM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/12/22/last-jedi-daily-grosses-are-swiftly-collapsing-the-worst-holds-of-all-9-star-wars-movies/

It's probably going to close out at about $650 million domestically. Dunno if I'm ready for a world where that's considered a bomb.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 22, 2017, 05:34:18 PM
Mark Hamill said it was shit.
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Post by: BlueTsunami on December 22, 2017, 05:39:28 PM
I hope Rose dies in the first act.

They're gonna cut to her in a coma, Finn kissing her forehead and then we'll never hear from her again
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Post by: TVC15 on December 22, 2017, 05:41:25 PM
I hope Benicio is in the next one. That’s kind of an enemy they set up.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 22, 2017, 06:02:47 PM
I hope Benicio is in the next one. That’s kind of an enemy they set up.

JJ will give him a redemption arc where he was sending the First Order money home to build an orphanage full of gay AIDS porgs.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: etiolate on December 22, 2017, 06:07:16 PM
The most frustrating part of TLJ was not getting to see Chewbacca eat that BBQ'd porg. That thing looked delicious.
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Post by: TVC15 on December 22, 2017, 06:10:09 PM
I hope Benicio is in the next one. That’s kind of an enemy they set up.

JJ will give him a redemption arc where he was sending the First Order money home to build an orphanage full of gay AIDS porgs.

JJ will hopefully include this scene:

Maz: I am emotionally invested in you.
DJ: I am cognizant of that.
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Post by: Tokyosandblaster on December 22, 2017, 06:10:32 PM
Well, seems like Rian Johnson didn't keep his own trilogy for long  :doge (Even though the movie has problems, it would be sad if they interpret the "backlash" as "don't try new things with established characters again" - can't wait for Indiana Jones 5 being another rehash that ignores that Ford is 80).
Did Kathleen Kennedy strike again? Bitch needs to go.
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Post by: Himu on December 22, 2017, 07:00:49 PM
I hope Benicio is in the next one. That’s kind of an enemy they set up.
Nah he will be a good guy. He's this trilogy's rogue
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 22, 2017, 07:01:09 PM
Well, seems like Rian Johnson didn't keep his own trilogy for long  :doge (Even though the movie has problems, it would be sad if they interpret the "backlash" as "don't try new things with established characters again" - can't wait for Indiana Jones 5 being another rehash that ignores that Ford is 80).
Did Kathleen Kennedy strike again? Bitch needs to go.

Rain Johnson is still on the new trilogy, nothing has happened other than Forbes put out an article about how The Last Jedi is a huge bomb because it will only make $1.2 billion worldwide.
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Post by: Tasty on December 22, 2017, 07:31:18 PM
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The Last Jedi is the rock-bottom, worst-holding movie of the entire 9-film franchise. Even Attack of the Clones looks like a champ in comparison.

In fact, The Last Jedi isn't even holding as well as Justice League did. On its sixth day the DC film retained 27 percent of its opening day audience, nearly double what the Star Wars picture has done.

:kobeyuck
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Post by: Tokyosandblaster on December 22, 2017, 07:37:05 PM
Well, seems like Rian Johnson didn't keep his own trilogy for long  :doge (Even though the movie has problems, it would be sad if they interpret the "backlash" as "don't try new things with established characters again" - can't wait for Indiana Jones 5 being another rehash that ignores that Ford is 80).
Did Kathleen Kennedy strike again? Bitch needs to go.

Rain Johnson is still on the new trilogy, nothing has happened other than Forbes put out an article about how The Last Jedi is a huge bomb because it will only make $1.2 billion worldwide.
I had assumed Rian sexually assaulted someone due to Spieler1's post. Thank God I can enjoy the penultimate episode of Breaking Bad without feeling guilty about it.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 22, 2017, 07:40:28 PM
audiences :piss2
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 22, 2017, 08:32:33 PM
naming your kid Rian :piss2
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2017, 08:47:04 PM
I shouldn't have to state this because it seems obvious but here goes.

If a lot of people were disappointed with TLJ and don't even like it why the fuck would any of us want to see it again? I watched TFA five times in the theater. I've seen TLJ once and that's enough times. Why the fuck would I want to suffer through Poe, Finn, and Rose again? I have zero desire to watch that movie again in the short term. Whatever good it has is outweighed by the bad. It's likely people saw it like usual, and just had no desire to ever see it again. I can relate. Why go to other showings if you think the movie is flawed out the ass and bores you to death just because it's STAR WAR? Lol fuck that. Movies are expensive af and it's Christmas.

Hell, this applies even if you liked the movie. It has less hype surrounding it in general by being the third Star Wars film release in three years. TFA is not only the first in a sequel trilogy, it was also the first SW movie in over a decade. So you're going to have drop off in general.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 22, 2017, 08:55:18 PM
Empire Strikes Back and Attack of the Clones were also the lowest grossing in their respective trilogies. And A New Hope and The Phantom Menace were the highest grossing.
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Post by: Himu on December 22, 2017, 08:56:23 PM
Yeah so it doesn't really mean much.

The last of the trilogy is the real test.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 22, 2017, 08:58:26 PM
People came back in droves for Revenge of the Sith.
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Post by: chronovore on December 22, 2017, 09:23:31 PM
https://twitter.com/supbruss/status/943936512567234560
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TEEEPO on December 22, 2017, 09:33:36 PM
https://www.theringer.com/2017/12/20/16800970/vice-admiral-holdo-maneuver-the-last-jedi

this was easily my biggest problem of the film. given the amount of times the resistance has been in do or die situations, the game theory for no one, especially a droid, not to use the hyperdrive as a weapon makes no fucking sense. 
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 22, 2017, 09:43:10 PM
https://twitter.com/supbruss/status/943936512567234560

PORGBOYS
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: zomgee on December 22, 2017, 11:14:22 PM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/12/22/last-jedi-daily-grosses-are-swiftly-collapsing-the-worst-holds-of-all-9-star-wars-movies/

It's probably going to close out at about $650 million domestically. Dunno if I'm ready for a world where that's considered a bomb.

Hate to be all defendy and stuff but there has been a LOT of star wars lately. There has been a theater release for the past three Christmases now. There's a Star Wars cartoon on right now as well. There is a lot of Star Wars to get buried under. It's a little unfair to compare TLJ to previous movies since they were spaced three years apart with very little in between them. People are bound to get burned out on it when in the past it was portioned out.

I know, it doesn't explain super hero movies.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 23, 2017, 12:04:36 AM
I mean, we're still talking about a movie that's almost certainly going to end up being one of the top 10 highest grossing movies of all time worldwide [probably top 5 domestically]. The hyperbole in that Forbes article is just ridiculous and is built far more on examining percentages rather than raw dollar amounts.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on December 23, 2017, 12:28:35 AM
Empire Strikes Back and Attack of the Clones were also the lowest grossing in their respective trilogies. And A New Hope and The Phantom Menace were the highest grossing.

This. This movie was always bound to have a lower box office than TFA, even if everyone loved it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Let's Cyber on December 23, 2017, 12:35:38 AM
Before seeing the movie, did anyone else think the porgs were rabbit-like? I had only seen still pictures and always assumed those things poking out the side were big floppy ears going down their backs...

Only to see the movie and realize they're actually horrible god forsaken monstraities. Like horrifically burned, stubby penguins with their beaks melted off.

 :lucas
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on December 23, 2017, 12:46:55 AM
Before seeing the movie, did anyone else think the porgs were rabbit-like? I had only seen still pictures and always assumed those things poking out the side were big floppy ears going down their backs...

Only to see the movie and realize they're actually horrible god forsaken monstraities. Like horrifically burned, stubby penguins with their beaks melted off.

 :lucas

I didn't know anything about them prior to the movie besides seeing them on posters. I assumed it was going to be a sentient alien, kind of like Lando's sidekicks in ROTJ.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 23, 2017, 02:25:38 AM
Instead, they ended up being food. Tasty, tasty food.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 23, 2017, 03:26:59 AM
Tasty meat. ;)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 23, 2017, 11:22:02 AM
(http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/monsterhunter/images/f/f9/MHP3-meatcook.gif/revision/latest?cb=20101012084711)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BlueTsunami on December 23, 2017, 04:46:46 PM
Ended up watching it again and all I could see, after having read TVC call Rose hideous, is her cabatch patch face force itself into my mind. I half turned away as she attemptrd to squeeze saline from her eye globes.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 23, 2017, 05:16:30 PM
Empire Strikes Back and Attack of the Clones were also the lowest grossing in their respective trilogies. And A New Hope and The Phantom Menace were the highest grossing.
Not to take a shot at one of my two favorite Bore mods but*.... A New Hope and Phantom Menace both got multiple wide theatrical re-releases that are counted in their domestic totals. The only wide re-releases for ESB and ROTJ were the Special Edition, and for ATOC and ROTS haven't had any. (They both did the short IMAX tour with TPM.)

Purely on their domestic first runs, ANH and ROTJ are pretty much even except for the horrendous inflation in the dollar between the two. And that's with the insane fact that ANH's first distribution run didn't leave theaters until early 1978. At which point they re-released it three months later. Almost 10% of TPM's domestic total is from the 3D re-release.

*I actually bring this up less because of the INEXACTNESS OF YOUR FIGURES but because of the strange situation where Star Wars has always been incredibly unique in that unlike almost every other franchise since the dawn of the modern blockbuster, it's never had been one that left theaters after blowing its initial wad. Fox and others continued to plug holes in their schedules by putting it back in theaters. In fact, that whole thing we mentioned before about how Fox held the distribution rights to A New Hope still, it's partly because for about five years or so every time Fox had a failed film they yanked from theaters, they sent ANH back out to replace it.

I don't recall Lucas' role in this, but it was arguably partially ideal for building the franchise as a whole by having the film available for people to see regularly again every year. The mass market couldn't rent it, or tape it or anything until roughly after ROTJ's release. So other than TV airings, it rolling back into theaters multiple times a year helped prop up the nascent Lucas licensing empire.

Theaters probably didn't mind having Star Wars back around for parents to dump the kids into either.

Amusingly, the other company best known for re-releasing the same films over and over again into theaters for decades (not to mention their fake supply constraint situation of the home video releases, something that was also done to Star Wars) is of course, Disney.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on December 23, 2017, 05:19:36 PM
Rose is pretty hideous, so is Finn.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 23, 2017, 05:41:46 PM
Rose is pretty hideous, so is Finn.
Wow could have confused this for a TIMU post.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 23, 2017, 05:43:24 PM
Quote
Not to take a shot at one of my two favorite Bore mods but*.... A New Hope and Phantom Menace both got multiple wide theatrical re-releases that are counted in their domestic totals.

I wasn't going to bring numbers into this, but since you're impugning my integrity here and suggesting I didn't do my homework:

ANH - $307 million* [$460 million total]
ESB - $209 million [$290 million total]
ROTJ - $252 million [$309 million total]

TPM - $431 million [$474 million total]
AOTC - $302 million [$310 million total
ROTS - $380 million [$380 million total]

*ANH's numbers are a bit harder to accurately calculate because it didn't have a traditional blockbuster release. From 77 to 82 it's presence in theaters ebbed and flowed quite a bit, so teasing out what would be considered it's initial box office total separate from it's re-release total isn't easy to do. What I've pieced together is that it made at least $215 million by mid-78 and $307 million before coming back to theaters in mid-82.

**StarWars.com, in their Star Wars Saga US release and re-release timeline, states that ANH earned $307 million during its "first 18 months."

So get bent, benji.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 23, 2017, 05:52:25 PM
It's hilarious that you continue to ignore the facts by once again presenting misleading numbers. Notice the paltry differences that are less than the budgets of the first three films combined. And then look at the trend in the current trilogy:

TFA: $937 million
TLJ: $323 million
EIX: $0

The franchise collapse is obvious and irreversible at this point.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on December 23, 2017, 06:21:16 PM
Rose is pretty hideous, so is Finn.
Wow could have confused this for a TIMU post.

Two uggos kissing  :nope
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: etiolate on December 23, 2017, 06:26:35 PM
wow way to be racist against eskimos

next thing I know, you'll be calling Chewbacca ugly just because you hate Italians
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 23, 2017, 07:56:59 PM
It's hilarious that you continue to ignore the facts by once again presenting misleading numbers. Notice the paltry differences that are less than the budgets of the first three films combined. And then look at the trend in the current trilogy:

TFA: $937 million
TLJ: $323 million
EIX: $0

The franchise collapse is obvious and irreversible at this point.

Wow, low-energy benji resorting to arguing in bad faith once his failing arguments are exposed? Sad!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 24, 2017, 04:08:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK6BesOrfws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCvxX0keJ08
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on December 24, 2017, 06:10:52 AM
Mark Hamill said it was shit.

Wow barely hiding his veiled alt right opinions. What next, that he doesn't Snyder's films?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 24, 2017, 06:41:51 AM
No, the DCEU is the alt-right's gamergate film franchise. Or was at least.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 25, 2017, 08:55:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK6BesOrfws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCvxX0keJ08

:rofl

This is wayyyyy too accurate for YouTuber bullshit. :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 26, 2017, 02:09:07 AM
:rofl

This is wayyyyy too accurate for YouTuber bullshit. :lol

Yeah they are great with their take off on Kylo
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 26, 2017, 12:45:33 PM
So, surprising no one at this point, apparently Disney thinks that the Han Solo movie is a total stinkburger that's gonna bomb big time. Would be pretty hilarious if they just outright cancelled it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 27, 2017, 12:27:01 AM
Finally got to see it last night.

Opening was good, then I was semi bored for a while, then the movie really picked up towards the end and I thought it was pretty good.

Maybe there was a bit too much comic relief, and a bit too much disney (how many cute creatures do we need?) but over the twists were good and some of the battles looked great. Happy JJ will be back on the last one though.

Will def want to watch it a few times more :)

Went in without reading any reviews and only saw one trailer.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on December 27, 2017, 01:10:11 AM
Before the movie started there was an insufferable Ready Player One trailer (redundant -ed.) that had a snippet of unit RX-78-2 in it. In retrospect that snippet was rather sibylline as The Last Jedi’s narrative fulcrum comes straight out of a Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam filler episode.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on December 27, 2017, 01:10:31 AM
What I’m trying to say is this: Rian Johnson’s soul is weighed down by gravity.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 27, 2017, 01:13:52 AM
KARA'S BACK!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on December 27, 2017, 01:16:03 AM
The fact that JJ and Rian Johnson are using Star Wars to play a game of cliffhanger/challenge between each other should tell you all you need to know about how they see star wars and how much you should care about it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on December 27, 2017, 02:11:41 AM
So, surprising no one at this point, apparently Disney thinks that the Han Solo movie is a total stinkburger that's gonna bomb big time. Would be pretty hilarious if they just outright cancelled it.

I wonder how much they are gonna try to whitewash Han. That Dj character was a real scoundrel. I would enjoy seeing Han Solo portrayed that type of morally gray, but not holding my breath for it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: paprikastaude on December 27, 2017, 08:45:57 AM
The fact that JJ and Rian Johnson are using Star Wars to play a game of cliffhanger/challenge between each other should tell you all you need to know about how they see star wars and how much you should care about it.

tbh I was kind of shocked to find out that they didn't think about the story and cliffhangers beyond Ep7. I guess that's what JJ already did with Lost, though that wasn't exactly on the level of the SW IP given to him.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 27, 2017, 11:23:17 AM
this did feel like a filler ep of Zeta Gundam :lol

Kylo Ren or Hux might as well be Jared. :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 27, 2017, 11:28:28 AM
Uuh gundam zeta  ???
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 27, 2017, 11:32:08 AM
Uuh gundam zeta  ???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSycojV_L1A
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 27, 2017, 02:43:59 PM
Uuh Mobile Suit Zeta Gundamu ???
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: kingv on December 27, 2017, 05:17:58 PM
The fact that JJ and Rian Johnson are using Star Wars to play a game of cliffhanger/challenge between each other should tell you all you need to know about how they see star wars and how much you should care about it.

tbh I was kind of shocked to find out that they didn't think about the story and cliffhangers beyond Ep7. I guess that's what JJ already did with Lost, though that wasn't exactly on the level of the SW IP given to him.

I too am surprised but in retrospect feel like I really shouldn’t be surprised and yet I am.

It’s kind of crazy that Jj was just dropping clues in TFA with no real story arc in mind. Because it’s a huge franchise and it’s borderline irresponsible to just make up each movie with no idea what’s going to happen in the next one.

But then again, he did exactly that for 6 years in Lost.

Also agree Han solo is going to suck. They should just cancel it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on December 27, 2017, 09:51:39 PM
Well, I mean, JJ Abrams didn't make the film without a greenlight from Disney/Lucasfilm every step of the way... I guess what happened is that they had some deadlines to hit and no time to waste on writing two more films when they had that huge heavy production to get out of the door. Whatever comes next is contingent to what form that first end product took and how well it was received, all the more since we all know the shit has been & will be analysed and focus-tested to death down to the smallest detail. Literal billions of dollars are in the balance after all.

I understand we're talking about some general outline here, not even full fledge scripts, but I suspect it's proof that everything in the story is amenable to whatever has been determined to be the optimal film for profitability and sustaining the franchise as long as possible. JJ Abrams & the rest of the creative team was probably tasked with making something unmistakably Star Wars-ish and fill it with enough material that they could pick and choose elements to build a sequel.

Besides it is obvious that Lucas kind of make up the Skywalker family tree, not a minor detail by any means, as he went along so...
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 27, 2017, 09:54:40 PM
Well, I mean, JJ Abrams didn't make the film without a greenlight from Disney/Lucasfilm every step of the way... I guess what happened is that they had some deadlines to hit and no time to waste on writing two more films when they had that huge heavy production to get out of the door. Whatever comes next is contingent to what form that first end product took and how well it was received, all the more since we all know the shit has been & will be analysed and focus-tested to death down to the smallest detail. Literal billions of dollars are in the balance after all.

I understand we're talking about some general outline here, not even full fledge scripts, but I suspect it's proof that everything in the story is amenable to whatever has been determined to be the optimal film for profitability and sustaining the franchise as long as possible.

Besides it is obvious that Lucas kind of make up the Skywalker family tree, not a minor detail by any means, as he went along so...

Everything in Jedi seems mostly set up by Empire, though. I don't think you can say that Jedi made everything up as it went along. Not like what they're doing now. It seems with Empire they came up with a long term plan for the rest of the story but not so much with TLJ.

Also, it's easy to forgive the original trilogy because ANH was supposed to be a one off and not have a sequel. This new trilogy doesn't have that excuse. So it looks way worse imo.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Boredfrom on December 27, 2017, 09:57:03 PM
The fact that JJ and Rian Johnson are using Star Wars to play a game of cliffhanger/challenge between each other should tell you all you need to know about how they see star wars and how much you should care about it.

tbh I was kind of shocked to find out that they didn't think about the story and cliffhangers beyond Ep7. I guess that's what JJ already did with Lost, though that wasn't exactly on the level of the SW IP given to him.

I too am surprised but in retrospect feel like I really shouldn’t be surprised and yet I am.

It’s kind of crazy that Jj was just dropping clues in TFA with no real story arc in mind. Because it’s a huge franchise and it’s borderline irresponsible to just make up each movie with no idea what’s going to happen in the next one.

But then again, he did exactly that for 6 years in Lost.

Also agree Han solo is going to suck. They should just cancel it.

J.J has made clear that he likes mysteries, not resolving them. I most surprised that Disney didn’t care enough to have at least some sort of road map beyond “whatever we feel at the moment”. Maybe they truly needed the EU as a backbone than JJ Abrams hollow pitch.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: kingv on December 27, 2017, 10:13:21 PM
This is why Lost was one of my favorite series up until the post by where i realized that the mysteries would never be resolved.

IMO, it’s a really cheap way to engage fans and write a story. I’m pretty sure that the last of the trilogy is going to end and we still aren’t going to know who Snoke is, or how the movies went from “winning” at the end of ROTJ to “losing” in TFA. It will probably be addressed in a comic book eventually or some dumb shit, written by some nobody at Marvel and be incredibly anticlimactic, like 3PO’s red arm...

But they won’t be allowed to fill in the blanks until after the script is finalized for the third movie (at the very earliest) just in case they decide to do something with it in the 3rd film. I expect the fan backlash to be possibly bigger in the third one, given that JJ is directing it, and knowing how he “resolved” the mysteries in Lost.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on December 27, 2017, 10:18:48 PM
Everything in Jedi seems mostly set up by Empire, though. I don't think you can say that Jedi made everything up as it went along. Not like what they're doing now. It seems with Empire they came up with a long term plan for the rest of the story but not so much with TLJ.

Also, it's easy to forgive the original trilogy because ANH was supposed to be a one off and not have a sequel. This new trilogy doesn't have that excuse. So it looks way worse imo.

Oh I'm not excusing anything. Alleging it's a purely commercial-driven endeavour isn't exactly praise. I don't value very highly the idea of those pre-planned grand writing master plans anyway. The only epic, high budget example that works as a whole is maybe Lords of the Rings and it was built on the back of very strong and solid books and they managed to have a draconian production setup to ensure cohesiveness. I think 100% of the time "story consistency" or "canon" should lose to what would make the film work better as a single, stand alone, piece.

As for RotJ, I was only speaking of the Leia-Luke being siblings. It's not minor but I guess you could argue it's not that important either (it basically nips in the bud a love triangle in an uninteresting way and give some more stature to her). Maybe RotJ is indeed a good wrap up of the whole story but really, and I guess it's my point, it's a fairly weak film on its own and a bit of a rehash of ANH (and I don't think it's a controversial opinion to hold).

Overall I agree it is a bit bonkers they don't even have some sort of outline (one specific to the main characters) but I'm not sure having one would really be of any weight to the quality (or lack thereof) of Star Wars © film X as a film.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 28, 2017, 01:04:27 AM
That's fair.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on December 28, 2017, 01:59:57 AM
The fact that JJ and Rian Johnson are using Star Wars to play a game of cliffhanger/challenge between each other should tell you all you need to know about how they see star wars and how much you should care about it.

tbh I was kind of shocked to find out that they didn't think about the story and cliffhangers beyond Ep7. I guess that's what JJ already did with Lost, though that wasn't exactly on the level of the SW IP given to him.

I too am surprised but in retrospect feel like I really shouldn’t be surprised and yet I am.

It’s kind of crazy that Jj was just dropping clues in TFA with no real story arc in mind. Because it’s a huge franchise and it’s borderline irresponsible to just make up each movie with no idea what’s going to happen in the next one.

But then again, he did exactly that for 6 years in Lost.

Also agree Han solo is going to suck. They should just cancel it.

He didn't do that for six years on Lost; he did it for one season, bounced the fuck outta there, got an EP credit, and made a million other things as Kirkman, Orci, and Lindeloff ran it into the ground. This is what he's done since forever, at least on TV; start something, throw a bunch of intriguing shit in the air, then walk away and let the other producers and writers figure it out; he did it with Lost, Fringe, POI, Alcatraz, that's just off the top of my head.

The real surprise is that his ass finally has to finish something he started with IX, and has to finish a trilogy where he only has any narrative control over the bookends. It's like the worlds dumbest and most expensive version of Exquisite Corpse.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 28, 2017, 02:05:04 AM
And with Fringe and PoI, those shows evolve significantly from their initial inception. Fringe goes from X-Files-esque to transdimensional transchronological existential SF, and PoI goes from mismatched crimestoppers to a criticism of the surveillance state and cursory examination of the influence of AI on society.

…and by that I mean they benefited from JJ's exit.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 28, 2017, 02:12:43 AM
So will ep IX expose JJ or has VIII already achieved that? :lol

The more time goes on the more I think JJ is partially to blame for VIII's problems as much as Rian's since JJ gave no blueprint for characters like Finn and Poe. In fact, I think you could easily blame JJ more. Considering what little Rian had, TLJ makes some sizable, incredible feats.

Basically, fuck JJ.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BlueTsunami on December 28, 2017, 02:16:19 AM
History has already exposed JJ. IX will be a fun unfulfilling romp which strangely fits the tone of the trilogy so far.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BlueTsunami on December 28, 2017, 02:23:59 AM
If JJ were a true auteur we'd get a graphic scene of Rey birthing the God Jedi born purely from the force like Anakin. I'm talking fury Jakku vag, split taint, screaming baby.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on December 28, 2017, 02:34:29 AM
So will ep IX expose JJ or has VIII already achieved that? :lol

The more time goes on the more I think JJ is partially to blame for VIII's problems as much as Rian's since JJ gave no blueprint for characters like Finn and Poe. In fact, I think you could easily blame JJ more. Considering what little Rian had, TLJ makes some sizable, incredible feats.

Basically, fuck JJ.

Eh I disagree. I haven't seen TLJ so I'm not saying this from any personal perspective, but I've read the spoilers and Rian Johnson's response to the criticism, and from what I can tell a lot of the dialogue about fan disappointment is around 'expectation'. When JJ introduces the dharma initiative and a bunker and a fucking polar bear on a tropical island and other such cryptic shit and then leaves, that's pretty dickish. But when he tees up a teaser as obvious as like "Luke is Reys father" was in TFA for example, and the next guy decides "actually her parents are just nobodies" I can't really blame the first dude when people get upset. He might not have set up a roadmap, but he also didn't expect to have any involvement past the first one, and he's been down the road of raising questions that the audience can't draw their own conclusions to and want specific answers for.

Anyway, it's not surprising that JJ set up the biggest franchise in history with no real bigger picture in mind as to where it will go as a trilogy. It is surprising that Disney would let this shit of the gate without locking down a general outline that the writers and directors would adhere to. Maybe the "the buck stops at Kathleen Kennedys desk" theory was true after all, for better or worse  :bobby
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 28, 2017, 02:53:06 AM
Yeah I don't buy this idea that it's somehow JJ's fault that the last jedi doesn't leave enough mystery (or interesting stuff in general) for the third film.

Empire strikes back creates the mysteries that drive itself by building on the first film or creating them as new things. In some cases not using explicit hooks left by the first film.

Rian Johnson chose to make the film he made. You can love it or hate it but those were his choices. He could have either built on the framework of the first film or created his own hooks for the next film that were compelling. It was in his power. Now if you are fine with the movie he made and didn't want such setups then that's fine too but its not like he didn't have the power to create what he wanted.

Yes I would argue that if you want a more cohesive whole, you can have somebody who is in charge of the whole production create a story bible or something but that wasn't JJ's job. His job was to create a fun movie that set the table. It did set the table. You may not personally like how the table was set for the next film but it was set. And it wasn't set in such a way as in Lost with things that would be impossible to ever flesh out.

Rian Johnson chose to go a different direction on some things. And that's fine. But those were his choices. He wrote the story. It wasn't like he was a director for hire that had no control. And the end result is his film's flaws and good things both. Same as with Force Awakens which has its own set of pros and cons.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 28, 2017, 02:59:33 AM
So will ep IX expose JJ or has VIII already achieved that? :lol

The more time goes on the more I think JJ is partially to blame for VIII's problems as much as Rian's since JJ gave no blueprint for characters like Finn and Poe. In fact, I think you could easily blame JJ more. Considering what little Rian had, TLJ makes some sizable, incredible feats.

Basically, fuck JJ.

You start out saying you liked TFA more, and now you’re at “fuck JJ.” This has truly been a Cindi discussion.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 28, 2017, 03:05:35 AM
Uh, don't misunderstand.

I like TFA way more. But that doesn't really excuse JJ not plotting an outline. :yeshrug
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 28, 2017, 03:10:42 AM
Uh, don't misunderstand.

I like TFA way more. But that doesn't really excuse JJ not plotting an outline. :yeshrug

This is still a nudge from your initial position. You’re letting the TLJ apologists influence you. The fact that you’re still involved in this discussion shows that you want to believe. Escape with your taste, Cindi.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on December 28, 2017, 03:35:01 AM
If JJ were a true auteur we'd get a graphic scene of Rey birthing the God Jedi born purely from the force like Anakin. I'm talking fury Jakku vag, split taint, screaming baby.
overfiend flashbacks?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 28, 2017, 03:36:48 AM
If JJ were a true auteur we'd get a graphic scene of Rey birthing the God Jedi born purely from the force like Anakin. I'm talking fury Jakku vag, split taint, screaming baby.
overfiend flashbacks?

Star Wars would require a few death rape machines to save it at this point.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on December 28, 2017, 03:40:07 AM
If JJ were a true auteur we'd get a graphic scene of Rey birthing the God Jedi born purely from the force like Anakin. I'm talking fury Jakku vag, split taint, screaming baby.
overfiend flashbacks?

Star Wars would require a few death rape machines to save it at this point.
Let's have a laser sword coming out of a space floating leia's vagina as she space floats spread eagle towards the camera, + or - JJ Abrams face superimposed over the whole thing, i'll leave that up to the director.
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Post by: Himu on December 28, 2017, 03:43:47 AM
Uh, don't misunderstand.

I like TFA way more. But that doesn't really excuse JJ not plotting an outline. :yeshrug

This is still a nudge from your initial position. You’re letting the TLJ apologists influence you. The fact that you’re still involved in this discussion shows that you want to believe. Escape with your taste, Cindi.

True.
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Post by: BlueTsunami on December 28, 2017, 03:49:10 AM
If JJ were a true auteur we'd get a graphic scene of Rey birthing the God Jedi born purely from the force like Anakin. I'm talking fury Jakku vag, split taint, screaming baby.
overfiend flashbacks?

Star Wars would require a few death rape machines to save it at this point.
Let's have a laser sword coming out of a space floating leia's vagina as she space floats spread eagle towards the camera, + or - JJ Abrams face superimposed over the whole thing, i'll leave that up to the director.

I'd totally learn digital video editing just to make this happen
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Post by: Stoney Mason on December 28, 2017, 03:54:06 AM
I still feel like nobody is quite having the discussion I want to see on the film. It's all very polarizing.

One side spends their time nit picking minor plot points I don't give a shit about or are fanatical lore purists.

1.) Luke would never do that!
2.) Suicide lightspeed Bullshit!
3.) How dare there be humour in my serious business story about people running about with light sabers!
4.) Force ghosts with powers! Franchise ruined!!!!


The other side seems to believe they just watched the equivalent of the seven samurai in Star Wars disguise. A movie so thematically rich it just reinvented the star wars franchise forever and how normal plot mechanics that exists in any other genre are a machiavellian subversion of Star Wars tropes nobody ever dared thought of before.

It's weird.

I just see it as a rather average film that is still probably good but has a whole bunch of flaws beyond just trying to nitpick wookieepedia elements.

I think you can probably have a good conversation in a few months or a year down the road about the movie but it seems impossible at the moment.
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Post by: Himu on December 28, 2017, 04:00:57 AM
Oh come on Stoney. Everyone in this thread who has criticized this movie hasn't resorted to dumbass critiques like "Luke wouldn't do that" and I honestly find your making fun of criticisms of the humor to be highly reductive. It really did take me out of the movie.
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Post by: TVC15 on December 28, 2017, 04:01:12 AM

I think you can probably have a good conversation in a few months or a year down the road about the movie but it seems impossible at the moment.


There’s no further good conversation until the third movie comes out, when TLJ will be either confirmed as the smelly garbage it is, or it will be vindicated even though it is smelly garbage.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on December 28, 2017, 04:09:37 AM
Oh come on Stoney. Everyone in this thread who has criticized this movie hasn't resorted to dumbass critiques like "Luke wouldn't do that" and I honestly find your making fun of criticisms of the humor to be highly reductive. It really did take me out of the movie.

A.) I didn't say the people in this thread are the most guilty parties. Whenever I talk about people in general I'm almost never talking about just the bore. I'm talking about the general talk over the internet in general. Let's be honest. There isn't enough talk on the bore overall to make sweeping statement about anything. We are niche and for the most part none of us overly tend to polarize ourselves. It ain't cool.

B.) I think the criticisms about the humour are silly. Especially in this franchise which is laced with silly humour while a galactic civil war rages that slaughters millions. That's part of the charm of the franchise. It puts the silly next to a man in a dark mask who magically mind chokes people. Star Wars taking itself with too much gravitas is more of a problem to me than the other way around. But you are entitled to a different take.
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Post by: Momo on December 28, 2017, 05:09:03 AM
I've been clear from the start, not a Star Wars fanatic so I can't give a shit about lore, simply think it's a bad movie (for many reasons) but dont care enough about what I equate to a marvel movie to discuss it in detail. Just in here to take potshots at SW fans because I'm still mad about Star Trek :goldberg
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Post by: Himu on December 28, 2017, 09:22:47 AM
Oh come on Stoney. Everyone in this thread who has criticized this movie hasn't resorted to dumbass critiques like "Luke wouldn't do that" and I honestly find your making fun of criticisms of the humor to be highly reductive. It really did take me out of the movie.

A.) I didn't say the people in this thread are the most guilty parties. Whenever I talk about people in general I'm almost never talking about just the bore. I'm talking about the general talk over the internet in general. Let's be honest. There isn't enough talk on the bore overall to make sweeping statement about anything. We are niche and for the most part none of us overly tend to polarize ourselves. It ain't cool.

B.) I think the criticisms about the humour are silly. Especially in this franchise which is laced with silly humour while a galactic civil war rages that slaughters millions. That's part of the charm of the franchise. It puts the silly next to a man in a dark mask who magically mind chokes people. Star Wars taking itself with too much gravitas is more of a problem to me than the other way around. But you are entitled to a different take.

Humor in itself isn't bad. But for me my problem is how obtrusive it was. Like when they're talking to Maz. It couldn't just be a regular ass scene articulating their situation to her. Nope. She has to act like a wild ass cartoon character during this serious moment that has the crew deadlocked in space. ESB and ROTJ are the perfect mixes of humor and seriousness, at least for me. I thought the tone didn't feel Star Wars. Star Wars has light hearted humor, true. But I felt TFA handled it far better.
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Post by: paprikastaude on December 28, 2017, 03:26:54 PM
(https://i.redd.it/g4uahr5tzh601.jpg)

 :jeanluc
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Post by: BlueTsunami on December 28, 2017, 03:52:34 PM
This fall the CW presents...
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Post by: etiolate on December 28, 2017, 04:01:03 PM
I enjoyed TLJ, but said it had flaws. My concern is the overall flaws of the current approach: Multiple Directors leading to no coherent design and the current plotline feeling like an alternate universe rather than the natural outcome of the Lucasfilms.
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Post by: team filler on December 28, 2017, 04:57:33 PM
when does the chewbacca movie come out?
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Post by: ToxicAdam on December 28, 2017, 05:29:21 PM
TLJ could've been directed by David Chase. It's all the same shit he used to do in the Sopranos that drove fans crazy.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on December 28, 2017, 05:32:26 PM
Nothing else really matters, or happens. Finn has no real arc - he goes on a meaningless mission that does nothing but inadvertently get a ton of people killed, and he gets a revenge showdown with Phasma, who is barely a character. Poe has no real arc either - he leads a meaningless mutiny that also has zero bearing on the plot except to get a bunch of people killed, as above. Holdo is introduced and killed off in one movie. Rose exists so that Finn will have a companion on this meaningless mission that the writers cooked up to give him something to do.

By splitting up the characters so much you barely get any interaction between the main characters which is generally my favorite part of Star Wars movies. Especially the force awakens. Like I said in my opinion of the movie, if the side stuff they were doing was just utterly fascinating or cool or fun then you can get away with it. But they spent so much time on plotlines that were barely interesting and didn't really resolve themselves into anything significant. That's why it feels so disjointed to me.

It's why none of my issues are simple lore stuff about who shouldn't do what or humour stuff,etc. It's more really basic stuff about how you create momentum or interesting moments in a movie.

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Post by: etiolate on December 28, 2017, 05:33:02 PM
I just realized Holdo is Lucille Bluth.

(http://lightgungalaxy.com/wp-content/uploads/poe-dameron-the-last-jedi.jpg)

"We are all going to be stranded in space with no fuel and killed. Do you at least have any plan of attack? Anything to share? You want to tell the rest of us?"

(http://media.giphy.com/media/QASoaSBqvk8U/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 28, 2017, 05:36:28 PM
Just watched Halloween Resurrection, a much more imaginative eighth entry in a franchise than TLJ.
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Post by: etiolate on December 28, 2017, 05:51:16 PM
Now I want to take the TLJ = AD in space analogy further.

Holdo = Lucille Bluth.: Old bitch gets off on being withholding for own vanity.
Rey = Michael Bluth : The Good One. Tries to make things work.
Kylo = Gob. Obsessed with Rey/Michael in uncomfortable way.  Not related, but you thought they might be. Wonders why Rey/Michael is not impressed by his magic.
Finn = Buster. Runs away from his fellow soldiers. Goes back to safety of a home that is actually not safe for him at all.
Rose = the Seal. Fucks over Buster/Finn in his moment.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 28, 2017, 06:06:38 PM
Awww, I feel like you’re being hard on Finn, but I guess that’s really Rian’s fault. I still feel like people aren’t quite fully recognizing how terribly he was used in TLJ. He’s basically equal with Rey as the main character in TFA, and TLJ ruins everything. Rian takes away the impact of Rey kissing him by giving him a shitty new love interest that is one of the worst characters in the entire franchise. They give him a B plot.  Pretty sure Rian must be racist.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on December 28, 2017, 06:13:30 PM
Awww, I feel like you’re being hard on Finn, but I guess that’s really Rian’s fault. I still feel like people aren’t quite fully recognizing how terribly he was used in TLJ. He’s basically equal with Rey as the main character in TFA, and TLJ ruins everything. Rian takes away the impact of Rey kissing him by giving him a shitty new love interest that is one of the worst characters in the entire franchise. They give him a B plot.  Pretty sure Rian must be racist.

A lot of characters are treated in questionable ways, but Finn is treated by far the worst. It's really weird. The attempted love interest shoe-horned in at the end was super weird. His demotion of Finn and that awful casino plotline were the most bizarre thing in the movie to me.
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Post by: team filler on December 28, 2017, 06:22:18 PM
Finn was my favorite part of TFA and now this. :fbm
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Post by: Stoney Mason on December 28, 2017, 06:31:41 PM
Finn was my favorite part of TFA

Same. He felt like the most real of the characters for me. There were a lot of ways to evolve him and I thought Rian Johnson took absolutely the worst route to do it including Phasma battle 2.0


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Post by: etiolate on December 28, 2017, 07:36:44 PM
It's tough on Finn, but TLJ really fucked over Finn. Fucked over Poe as well. I still don't get the point of what they did to those characters.
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Post by: TEEEPO on December 28, 2017, 07:57:26 PM
finn was my fav char too :(
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Post by: Kara on December 28, 2017, 09:00:04 PM
Kylo Ren or Hux might as well be Jared. :lol

You could get deep in the weeds looking for parallels of various levels of superficiality (e.g. Cantonica? I remember Anaheim Electronics too) but let's not forget the most important thing: a 2.5 hour mega-blockbuster is about a slow speed chase between capital ships no one cares about like every uninteresting episode of Zeta.
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Post by: TVC15 on December 28, 2017, 09:15:24 PM
Just watched a direct to video sequel to Stir of Echoes. Updated ranking:

ESB > SW > ROTJ > TFA > SoE2 > Halloween Resurrection > TLJ > TPM = ROTS > R1 > AOTC
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Post by: Tasty on December 28, 2017, 09:29:27 PM
I liked Finn the most in TFA, too. Sucks to hear TLJ did him dirty.

Also where the fuck is Lando? Racist ass Disney not allowing black men to shine.

It's crazy. He was a big part of Empire, and by Return of the Jedi he basically joined Han, Luke and Leia to form a core of four main chars. He was perhaps the most key person responsible for the destruction of the second Death Star.

Then in TFA, not even a namedrop or mention. The fuck?

It's like the people making the new movies saw ANH and the ending of Empire and that's it. Or, more cynically, that's what they believe is all the public knows about Star Wars and are just focusing on that.

Serious, where the fuck is Lando in these new movies.

I echo the sentiment the new movies feel like alt universe fare and not at all a continuation of Lucas' ideas, but that was always going to be somewhat of a complaint - even if Lucas himself was behind them.
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Post by: chronovore on December 28, 2017, 09:58:33 PM
Real talk: both Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher lost a good bit of weight when they came back. Billy-Dee Williams has done voice work for the REBELS tv show as well as Robot Chicken instances of Lando. He's willing to do the role, but maybe he DGAF about losing weight?
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Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 28, 2017, 10:04:44 PM
Billy Dee Williams is like 10% there mentally is the rumor I heard
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 28, 2017, 10:21:32 PM
Billy Dee Williams was originally going to have the spot that ultimately went to Del Toro. For reasons that are obvious if you've seen the movie, Rian Johnson decided not to do this.
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Post by: chronovore on December 28, 2017, 10:47:39 PM
Billy Dee Williams was originally going to have the spot that ultimately went to Del Toro. For reasons that are obvious if you've seen the movie, Rian Johnson decided not to do this.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Wait, seriously, Lando was going to sell out the rebellion? Holy shit!  :o
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Post by: Tasty on December 29, 2017, 12:16:26 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSqcvmLE0ek

~32:00

:rofl
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Post by: Himu on December 29, 2017, 01:35:12 AM
Kylo Ren or Hux might as well be Jared. :lol

You could get deep in the weeds looking for parallels of various levels of superficiality (e.g. Cantonica? I remember Anaheim Electronics too) but let's not forget the most important thing: a 2.5 hour mega-blockbuster is about a slow speed chase between capital ships no one cares about like every uninteresting episode of Zeta.

Don't let Zeta lovers see this, they'll kill you.

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Zeta is overrated as fuck
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Post by: BlueTsunami on December 29, 2017, 01:47:43 AM
Maybe in IX the main premise will be the Millennium Falcon runs out of fuel so we get 3.5 hours of pure character dialog as they mine fuel off a comet. We get to watch the characters we know and love without hitting major plot developments uber fans will take exception to. Its a win win. Maybe have a scene were Poe is peeping on Rey and Rose scissoring it out and Rose gets sucked into Reys snatch like that weird ass sith hole in VIII oh wait now we in fanfic territory.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 29, 2017, 02:43:24 AM
Maybe in IX the main premise will be the Millennium Falcon runs out of fuel so we get 3.5 hours of pure character dialog as they mine fuel off a comet. We get to watch the characters we know and love without hitting major plot developments uber fans will take exception to. Its a win win. Maybe have a scene were Poe is peeping on Rey and Rose scissoring it out and Rose gets sucked into Reys snatch like that weird ass sith hole in VIII oh wait now we in fanfic territory.

You're really weird.
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Post by: chronovore on December 29, 2017, 02:44:06 AM
Billy Dee Williams was originally going to have the spot that ultimately went to Del Toro. For reasons that are obvious if you've seen the movie, Rian Johnson decided not to do this.

But you'd think they'd have something else for Lando to do instead of a straight up betrayal retread. I mean they wrote in that Rose chick seemingly out of nowhere when you could have Lando, I dunno, own the bar in TFA or something. Shit shouldn't be that hard.

From this point forward, I'm going to retcon Maz as Lando, which will work extra well when Lando asks Han, "Where's my boyfriend?"
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Post by: Trurl on December 29, 2017, 09:08:21 AM
You're really weird.
ONE OF US! ONE OF US! GOOBLE GOBLES, GOOBLE GOBLES!
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Post by: BlueTsunami on December 29, 2017, 09:15:59 AM
I'm just spitballin here 

But I guess my real motivation is to see vagina absorption in the Star Wars Universe ala American Gods :ryker
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Post by: Himu on December 29, 2017, 09:21:28 AM
Maybe in IX the main premise will be the Millennium Falcon runs out of fuel so we get 3.5 hours of pure character dialog as they mine fuel off a comet. We get to watch the characters we know and love without hitting major plot developments uber fans will take exception to. Its a win win. Maybe have a scene were Poe is peeping on Rey and Rose scissoring it out and Rose gets sucked into Reys snatch like that weird ass sith hole in VIII oh wait now we in fanfic territory.

:gladbron

Make it a Godard fest with Breathless styled long shots of nothing but riveting idle conversation like,"can a Jedi stimulate a clitoris or prostate to feel like it's being licked by a thousand tongues using the Force?" (edited out the word fuck because after all this is a FAMILY movie and the jokes will go over the children's heads!) Finn will ask Rey that as they lay in bed, staring into each others eyes. It will be Oscar worthy. :rejoice

It will be the closest we will ever get to a Tarantino directed Star Wars and I demand it.
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Post by: Tokyosandblaster on December 29, 2017, 09:30:32 AM
Maybe in IX the main premise will be the Millennium Falcon runs out of fuel so we get 3.5 hours of pure character dialog as they mine fuel off a comet. We get to watch the characters we know and love without hitting major plot developments uber fans will take exception to. Its a win win. Maybe have a scene were Poe is peeping on Rey and Rose scissoring it out and Rose gets sucked into Reys snatch like that weird ass sith hole in VIII oh wait now we in fanfic territory.

:gladbron

Make it a Godard fest with Breathless styled long shots of nothing but riveting idle conversation like,"can a Jedi stimulate a clitoris or prostate to feel like it's being licked by a thousand tongues using the Force while they fuck?" Finn will ask Rey that as they lay in bed, staring into each others eyes. It will be Oscar worthy. :rejoice

It will be the closest we will ever get to a Tarantino directed Star Wars and I demand it.
This sounds just like a TVC15 post.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 29, 2017, 09:31:56 AM
Maybe in IX the main premise will be the Millennium Falcon runs out of fuel so we get 3.5 hours of pure character dialog as they mine fuel off a comet. We get to watch the characters we know and love without hitting major plot developments uber fans will take exception to. Its a win win. Maybe have a scene were Poe is peeping on Rey and Rose scissoring it out and Rose gets sucked into Reys snatch like that weird ass sith hole in VIII oh wait now we in fanfic territory.

:gladbron

Make it a Godard fest with Breathless styled long shots of nothing but riveting idle conversation like,"can a Jedi stimulate a clitoris or prostate to feel like it's being licked by a thousand tongues using the Force while they fuck?" Finn will ask Rey that as they lay in bed, staring into each others eyes. It will be Oscar worthy. :rejoice

It will be the closest we will ever get to a Tarantino directed Star Wars and I demand it.
This sounds just like a TVC15 post.

I learn from the best.

Force fuck me Rey!

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/21861763a819262feb92ee8778bf1183/tumblr_mzvjht9eay1s2wio8o8_500.gif)
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Post by: nachobro on December 29, 2017, 06:34:21 PM
one uses force and the other uses the force
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Post by: chronovore on December 29, 2017, 10:13:43 PM
Also: midichlorians in the jizz.
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Post by: headwalk on December 29, 2017, 10:30:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=65&v=PW4OIHDsWsM
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Post by: thehunter116 on December 29, 2017, 11:02:37 PM
Rose is pretty hideous, so is Finn.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/VO3KbZEgfPfEY/giphy.gif)

I'm getting PTSD from your avatar.

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Post by: thehunter116 on December 29, 2017, 11:20:05 PM
So; I said I'd hash out my views for Cindi/any haters/dislikers of TLJ and here they are.

Listen or hatefuck me at your leisure.

1. Biggest complaint and most obvious; I don't like what they did with Luke and/or how it reflects on the Original Trilogy. To be honest, this one comes down to how you view the main theme of the movie having to do with failure and growth. Does Luke getting PTSD and quitting the galaxy sound like Luke from the OT? No; but this isn't Luke from the OT. That's it the whole point to his character and his story. Failing Ben/Kylo because of thinking his legacy mattered is what broke him and gave us TLJ Luke. Like it or hate it from a narrative standpoint it makes sense. As for the OT not mattering of course it did. The galaxy got 30 years of peace and was able to rebuild. Much like in our world the peace doesn't last and even to this day we feel the ramifications of the Civil War and WW2. Hell we just had Nazi's marching in our streets; granted they aren't running around with a giant army of nomadic kidnapped stormtroopers but the main point stands. The conflict in TFA/TLJ if fluid and isn't unrealistic nor does it take away the accomplishments of the OT heroes. In fact it fits in with TLJ's theme of failure quite nicely(although that one is unintended I"m sure).

2. The humor. This one is pure subjectivity so I'll just say that yes there is more; no it isn't Marvel tier (which breaks the mood and undercuts dramatic scenes always) and the humor fits the characters. Poe taunting Hux makes sense both for his character and in a narrative sense, they were going to shoot him down so he bought time. The OT had plenty of humor and the prequels had too many fart jokes and childish humor. But YMMV on this take.

3. Rose and Finn. I'll admit this one is the one that has the flaws; the scene could have been shortened and Finn did get shafted a bit however I don't think his character was destroyed or de-legitimized. The Casino arc was a bit of a mess but it played into the theme of failure. Yes DJ just being there was odd but his character did help to highlight some backstory on where the FO got it's money and weapons as did Canto Bight. As for Rose I do think she was the weakest character in the story but her offenses are hardly deal breaking. A single kiss is nothing compared to this
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/6d/82/da/6d82da92a4898fedf220a23ddd761f71.gif)
(https://media.giphy.com/media/in2QzzFAYnia4/giphy.gif)
(http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/32700000/Anakin-padme-anakin-and-padme-32738282-500-213.gif)
No. No it is not.

4. Snoke and Rey's backstory/mystery. To be honest I see no issue with playing up expectations and then crashing them down; it's a refreshing take on a series where EVERYONE MUST BE RELATED or EVERYONE MUST BE BIG AND IMPORTANT. Snoke doesn't need to have a backstory because he's dead and wasn't the real villain of the story; Kylo is. Rey's parent's being no bodies fits in with the theme of names and legacies being meaningless to success. You can not like where they took these plot lines but they aren't bullshit; the themes are consistent and fit an overall narrative.

Lastly, ya'll are crazy if you think Disney is writing this story without an overarching guidebook/plot detail.

TLJ was written before TFA was.
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Post by: TVC15 on December 30, 2017, 12:25:44 AM
I’ll make one comment on the humor: if the movie didn’t open with that stupid Hux/Poe scene, the humor wouldn’t get nearly as many mentions. It stands out so badly that it taints the entire movie.
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Post by: Himu on December 30, 2017, 12:26:33 AM
No one here cares about Luke and many of us (including me) think he is the best part of the movie.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on December 30, 2017, 12:32:57 AM
I’ll make one comment on the humor: if the movie didn’t open with that stupid Hux/Poe scene, the humor wouldn’t get nearly as many mentions. It stands out so badly that it taints the entire movie.

Pretty much this. Honestly I think the shoulder brush off is worse but it comes and goes so quickly in comparison that it gets more of a pass.

I'm not against humor in Star Wars. I'm all for it if it makes sense, like the Chewy trying to eat a roast porg thing. "Real world" humor like "droid please" from TFA or an elaborate several minute long your mom joke to open TLJ is not where the franchise needs to be IMO.
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Post by: Himu on December 30, 2017, 12:36:58 AM
Chewy you should have eaten the Porg anyways. It was already dead! It died for nothing! How juicy was it?!
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Post by: thehunter116 on December 30, 2017, 12:37:26 AM
I’ll make one comment on the humor: if the movie didn’t open with that stupid Hux/Poe scene, the humor wouldn’t get nearly as many mentions. It stands out so badly that it taints the entire movie.

Pretty much this. Honestly I think the shoulder brush off is worse but it comes and goes so quickly in comparison that it gets more of a pass.

I'm not against humor in Star Wars. I'm all for it if it makes sense, like the Chewy trying to eat a roast porg thing. "Real world" humor like "droid please" from TFA or an elaborate several minute long your mom joke to open TLJ is not where the franchise needs to be IMO.

What about a green gnome beating the shit out of a droid for 2 mins straight?
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Post by: Himu on December 30, 2017, 12:39:04 AM
I’ll make one comment on the humor: if the movie didn’t open with that stupid Hux/Poe scene, the humor wouldn’t get nearly as many mentions. It stands out so badly that it taints the entire movie.

Pretty much this. Honestly I think the shoulder brush off is worse but it comes and goes so quickly in comparison that it gets more of a pass.

I'm not against humor in Star Wars. I'm all for it if it makes sense, like the Chewy trying to eat a roast porg thing. "Real world" humor like "droid please" from TFA or an elaborate several minute long your mom joke to open TLJ is not where the franchise needs to be IMO.

What about a green gnome beating the shit out of a droid for 2 mins straight?

???

Yoda? You mean the same character that was acting senile and crazy on purpose to drive Luke on edge to test him in that martial arts master sort of way?

And I'm pretty sure it's not 2 minutes. Plus it was cute. He clearly said that comedy in Star Wars is fine. We are fine with something like that, and not okay with yo mama jokes. I don't see why it's hard to understand.
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Post by: thehunter116 on December 30, 2017, 12:41:49 AM
I’ll make one comment on the humor: if the movie didn’t open with that stupid Hux/Poe scene, the humor wouldn’t get nearly as many mentions. It stands out so badly that it taints the entire movie.

Pretty much this. Honestly I think the shoulder brush off is worse but it comes and goes so quickly in comparison that it gets more of a pass.

I'm not against humor in Star Wars. I'm all for it if it makes sense, like the Chewy trying to eat a roast porg thing. "Real world" humor like "droid please" from TFA or an elaborate several minute long your mom joke to open TLJ is not where the franchise needs to be IMO.

What about a green gnome beating the shit out of a droid for 2 mins straight?

???

Yoda? You mean the same character that was acting senile and crazy on purpose to drive Luke on edge to test him in that martial arts master sort of way?

And I'm pretty sure it's not 2 minutes. Plus it was cute. He clearly said that comedy in Star Wars is fine. We are fine with something like that, and not okay with yo mama jokes. I don't see why it's hard to understand.

Because just like yoda beating up R2 that scene fits Poe's character.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 30, 2017, 12:42:16 AM
Chewy you should have eaten the Porg anyways. It was already dead! It died for nothing! How juicy was it?!

Haha, I feel like I’m nitpicking because I liked this scene, but the humor did strike me as a bit perverse since the porg was already dead. If the porgs wanted to make Chewie feel guilty, they should have focused on guilting him before he murdered and ripped the fur off their breh.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 30, 2017, 12:45:43 AM
Chewy you should have eaten the Porg anyways. It was already dead! It died for nothing! How juicy was it?!

Haha, I feel like I’m nitpicking because I liked this scene, but the humor did strike me as a bit perverse since the porg was already dead. If the porgs wanted to make Chewie feel guilty, they should have focused on guilting him before he murdered and ripped the fur off their breh.

I liked that scene too. That's the stuff I like.

I’ll make one comment on the humor: if the movie didn’t open with that stupid Hux/Poe scene, the humor wouldn’t get nearly as many mentions. It stands out so badly that it taints the entire movie.

Pretty much this. Honestly I think the shoulder brush off is worse but it comes and goes so quickly in comparison that it gets more of a pass.

I'm not against humor in Star Wars. I'm all for it if it makes sense, like the Chewy trying to eat a roast porg thing. "Real world" humor like "droid please" from TFA or an elaborate several minute long your mom joke to open TLJ is not where the franchise needs to be IMO.

What about a green gnome beating the shit out of a droid for 2 mins straight?

???

Yoda? You mean the same character that was acting senile and crazy on purpose to drive Luke on edge to test him in that martial arts master sort of way?

And I'm pretty sure it's not 2 minutes. Plus it was cute. He clearly said that comedy in Star Wars is fine. We are fine with something like that, and not okay with yo mama jokes. I don't see why it's hard to understand.

Because just like yoda beating up R2 that scene fits Poe's character.


Doesn't make it any less distinguished mentally-challenged and make the First Order feel any less incompetent.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tokyosandblaster on December 30, 2017, 01:31:36 AM
Chewy you should have eaten the Porg anyways. It was already dead! It died for nothing! How juicy was it?!

Haha, I feel like I’m nitpicking because I liked this scene, but the humor did strike me as a bit perverse since the porg was already dead. If the porgs wanted to make Chewie feel guilty, they should have focused on guilting him before he murdered and ripped the fur off their breh.

I liked that scene too. That's the stuff I like.

I’ll make one comment on the humor: if the movie didn’t open with that stupid Hux/Poe scene, the humor wouldn’t get nearly as many mentions. It stands out so badly that it taints the entire movie.

Pretty much this. Honestly I think the shoulder brush off is worse but it comes and goes so quickly in comparison that it gets more of a pass.

I'm not against humor in Star Wars. I'm all for it if it makes sense, like the Chewy trying to eat a roast porg thing. "Real world" humor like "droid please" from TFA or an elaborate several minute long your mom joke to open TLJ is not where the franchise needs to be IMO.

What about a green gnome beating the shit out of a droid for 2 mins straight?

???

Yoda? You mean the same character that was acting senile and crazy on purpose to drive Luke on edge to test him in that martial arts master sort of way?

And I'm pretty sure it's not 2 minutes. Plus it was cute. He clearly said that comedy in Star Wars is fine. We are fine with something like that, and not okay with yo mama jokes. I don't see why it's hard to understand.

Because just like yoda beating up R2 that scene fits Poe's character.


Doesn't make it any less distinguished mentally-challenged and make the First Order feel any less incompetent.
The first order wiped out most of the resistance though. I thought they did a good job of wiping out the rebel scum. And it's 2017 going on 2018. Please don't use the word distinguished mentally-challenged in your posts going in to the new year. Really triggers me.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 30, 2017, 01:50:00 AM
(...)
TLJ was written before TFA was.

...what?

How would that be possible?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thehunter116 on December 30, 2017, 12:17:43 PM
(...)
TLJ was written before TFA was.

...what?

How would that be possible?
Because they have a story bible for the trilogy and the brand as a whole.

What, you think a company that brought you a constructed MCU is just winging all of this?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on December 30, 2017, 12:33:19 PM
A cathedral for the Modern Age  :aah
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on December 30, 2017, 01:22:01 PM
(...)
TLJ was written before TFA was.

...what?

How would that be possible?
Because they have a story bible for the trilogy and the brand as a whole.

What, you think a company that brought you a constructed MCU is just winging all of this?

Where are you getting this? They just explicitly said the opposite lol

Also that still doesn't make any sense. Why would anyone write a sequel before the movie it's a sequel to
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on December 30, 2017, 01:41:39 PM
keep letting hunter troll you friends
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 30, 2017, 02:26:28 PM
Hunter had hope but he's proving to be another GAF-tier fanboy.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 30, 2017, 02:27:34 PM
Btw I still haven't seen this thing yet, so save any accusations about bias or whatever.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: etiolate on December 30, 2017, 02:43:44 PM
I am pretty sure the problem with Rose/Finn is that their entire arc serves no purpose and that nobody thought it was a romantic relationship until Rose went crazy at the end,
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 30, 2017, 03:07:08 PM
Finn’s and hotshotpilotguy’s failures made perfect sense to me with the general theme of gaining wisdom from failure 🤷‍♀️
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: etiolate on December 30, 2017, 03:14:36 PM
I think there should be a more valuable lesson for someone like Poe other than "Don't be yourself and just follow authority blindly."

I am not sure what Finn's lesson was.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 30, 2017, 03:17:43 PM
I think there should be a more valuable lesson for someone like Poe other than "Don't be yourself and just follow authority blindly."

I am not sure what Finn's lesson was.

Finn's lesson is super-obvious:

"Fight to protect something you care about, not just to mess up the bad guy's stuff."
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: etiolate on December 30, 2017, 03:23:51 PM
it appeared as though he was already doing that
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Huff on December 30, 2017, 04:59:17 PM
Lol hunter your a tard pls continue
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 30, 2017, 05:03:25 PM
I think there should be a more valuable lesson for someone like Poe other than "Don't be yourself and just follow authority blindly."

I am not sure what Finn's lesson was.

I think Finn learned the Pence rule. Don’t hang around chicks unless you intend to bang them because they can’t control themselves and go crazy and fall in love and shit randomly.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 30, 2017, 06:31:56 PM
I think there should be a more valuable lesson for someone like Poe other than "Don't be yourself and just follow authority blindly."

I am not sure what Finn's lesson was.

I think Finn learned the Pence rule. Don’t hang around chicks unless you intend to bang them because they can’t control themselves and go crazy and fall in love and shit randomly.

Then when you're trying to get in a different hole, they show up out of nowhere to cockblock you.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: etiolate on December 30, 2017, 06:39:03 PM
(...)
TLJ was written before TFA was.

...what?

How would that be possible?
Because they have a story bible for the trilogy and the brand as a whole.

What, you think a company that brought you a constructed MCU is just winging all of this?

Exactly! So many of these screeds from an (unearned) position of intellectual superiority are—once you scrape off all the empty syllables padding them out—doing nothing more than asking for bigger, heavier hands to hold as they tiptoe through their wishlists.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 30, 2017, 06:46:14 PM

3. Rose and Finn. I'll admit this one is the one that has the flaws; the scene could have been shortened and Finn did get shafted a bit however I don't think his character was destroyed or de-legitimized. The Casino arc was a bit of a mess but it played into the theme of failure. Yes DJ just being there was odd but his character did help to highlight some backstory on where the FO got it's money and weapons as did Canto Bight. As for Rose I do think she was the weakest character in the story but her offenses are hardly deal breaking. A single kiss is nothing compared to this
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/6d/82/da/6d82da92a4898fedf220a23ddd761f71.gif)
(https://media.giphy.com/media/in2QzzFAYnia4/giphy.gif)
(http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/32700000/Anakin-padme-anakin-and-padme-32738282-500-213.gif)
No. No it is not.


On a separate note, why does this movies defenders keep bringing up prequel trilogy to prove their points. They just make it seem even more prequel tier.



Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Trent Dole on December 30, 2017, 08:07:38 PM
Finally saw this. It was a Star Wars ass Star Wars movie. Kind of feels like they are introducing too many new random people just to have them immediately die in the same film. Need a shirt that says I EAT PORGS with half one of them and then the other side a mini rotisserie chicken cause I am a horrible person.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 30, 2017, 11:06:12 PM

3. Rose and Finn. I'll admit this one is the one that has the flaws; the scene could have been shortened and Finn did get shafted a bit however I don't think his character was destroyed or de-legitimized. The Casino arc was a bit of a mess but it played into the theme of failure. Yes DJ just being there was odd but his character did help to highlight some backstory on where the FO got it's money and weapons as did Canto Bight. As for Rose I do think she was the weakest character in the story but her offenses are hardly deal breaking. A single kiss is nothing compared to this
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/6d/82/da/6d82da92a4898fedf220a23ddd761f71.gif)
(https://media.giphy.com/media/in2QzzFAYnia4/giphy.gif)
(http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/32700000/Anakin-padme-anakin-and-padme-32738282-500-213.gif)
No. No it is not.


On a separate note, why does this movies defenders keep bringing up prequel trilogy to prove their points. They just make it seem even more prequel tier.

To expound and build a case:

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/7mzmtf/disney_is_ruining_star_wars_with_its_forced_humour/

Here's an example of what you're doing. Read the comments. That's what you sound like.

Almost every defender of this movie defends it in such a comical, fanboyish manner to the point where they assume all of who don't like don't because we're comic book boy-ing out about "character assassination" more than our actual legitimate criticisms. Then when they do target one of our arguments, such as the forced comedy, they pull like the shit Hunter or this dork at reddit did.

Comically embarrassing.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thehunter116 on December 31, 2017, 01:22:59 AM
Lol hunter your a tard pls continue
keep letting hunter troll you friends
Hunter had hope but he's proving to be another GAF-tier fanboy.

You guys seriously think they spent 4 billion dollars to just do this shit by the seat of their pants?

I mean really do you think this company is run by the Cleveland Browns management?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thehunter116 on December 31, 2017, 01:26:39 AM

3. Rose and Finn. I'll admit this one is the one that has the flaws; the scene could have been shortened and Finn did get shafted a bit however I don't think his character was destroyed or de-legitimized. The Casino arc was a bit of a mess but it played into the theme of failure. Yes DJ just being there was odd but his character did help to highlight some backstory on where the FO got it's money and weapons as did Canto Bight. As for Rose I do think she was the weakest character in the story but her offenses are hardly deal breaking. A single kiss is nothing compared to this
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/6d/82/da/6d82da92a4898fedf220a23ddd761f71.gif)
(https://media.giphy.com/media/in2QzzFAYnia4/giphy.gif)
(http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/32700000/Anakin-padme-anakin-and-padme-32738282-500-213.gif)
No. No it is not.


On a separate note, why does this movies defenders keep bringing up prequel trilogy to prove their points. They just make it seem even more prequel tier.

To expound and build a case:

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/7mzmtf/disney_is_ruining_star_wars_with_its_forced_humour/

Here's an example of what you're doing. Read the comments. That's what you sound like.

Almost every defender of this movie defends it in such a comical, fanboyish manner to the point where they assume all of who don't like don't because we're comic book boy-ing out about "character assassination" more than our actual legitimate criticisms. Then when they do target one of our arguments, such as the forced comedy, they pull like the shit Hunter or this dork at reddit did.

Comically embarrassing.

You know I've been pretty cool about not being condescending , you could maybe return favor instead of spazing out on me. The humor isn't forced; if it were it would be like Marvel  movies and would ruin key moments in the film.

Kinda proves my point about you being emotional about this ya know. :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on December 31, 2017, 01:27:17 AM
Yeah but why are you making shit up about TLJ being written before TFA
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thehunter116 on December 31, 2017, 01:28:54 AM
Yeah but why are you making shit up about TLJ being written before TFA

I read in one of the articles how they had the story beats written up; you know who dies and the basics of what happen in the trilogy. The details the directors come in and fill.

Like what they're doing with the MCU now (Post Ike) instead of what they did before controlling every little bit.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thehunter116 on December 31, 2017, 01:31:12 AM
Yeah but why are you making shit up about TLJ being written before TFA

https://www.cinemablend.com/new/Star-Wars-Continue-Long-Episode-IX-According-Disney-108587.html

They had planned the first 5 movies out in advance. Each to varying degrees; I'll try and find an article that talks about the story treatments.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thehunter116 on December 31, 2017, 01:35:23 AM

3. Rose and Finn. I'll admit this one is the one that has the flaws; the scene could have been shortened and Finn did get shafted a bit however I don't think his character was destroyed or de-legitimized. The Casino arc was a bit of a mess but it played into the theme of failure. Yes DJ just being there was odd but his character did help to highlight some backstory on where the FO got it's money and weapons as did Canto Bight. As for Rose I do think she was the weakest character in the story but her offenses are hardly deal breaking. A single kiss is nothing compared to this
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/6d/82/da/6d82da92a4898fedf220a23ddd761f71.gif)
(https://media.giphy.com/media/in2QzzFAYnia4/giphy.gif)
(http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/32700000/Anakin-padme-anakin-and-padme-32738282-500-213.gif)
No. No it is not.


On a separate note, why does this movies defenders keep bringing up prequel trilogy to prove their points. They just make it seem even more prequel tier.

To expound and build a case:

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/7mzmtf/disney_is_ruining_star_wars_with_its_forced_humour/

Here's an example of what you're doing. Read the comments. That's what you sound like.

Almost every defender of this movie defends it in such a comical, fanboyish manner to the point where they assume all of who don't like don't because we're comic book boy-ing out about "character assassination" more than our actual legitimate criticisms. Then when they do target one of our arguments, such as the forced comedy, they pull like the shit Hunter or this dork at reddit did.

Comically embarrassing.

Point out that the joke in the beginning is actually not forced and fits the characters?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 31, 2017, 01:41:24 AM
Emotional? :heh
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mandark on December 31, 2017, 01:47:15 AM
Emotional? :heh

 :comeon
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on December 31, 2017, 01:53:22 AM
Emotional? :heh

(https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2017-06/26/13/asset/buzzfeed-prod-fastlane-02/anigif_sub-buzz-971-1498498762-2.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Trent Dole on December 31, 2017, 01:53:52 AM
This isn't high fucking art, it's a dumb popcorn franchise that's made to sell kids toys and manchildren nostalgia, and toys. :-*
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BlueTsunami on December 31, 2017, 01:55:33 AM
I almost cried when Rose forced her kiss on Finn cause it reminded me of that one time I didnt want to be in that relationship
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on December 31, 2017, 05:11:27 AM
Yeah but why are you making shit up about TLJ being written before TFA

https://www.cinemablend.com/new/Star-Wars-Continue-Long-Episode-IX-According-Disney-108587.html

They had planned the first 5 movies out in advance. Each to varying degrees; I'll try and find an article that talks about the story treatments.

That literally says nothing about having anything planned out story wise, they just say that the movies are confirmed to exist. Like how did you extrapolate anything there to mean they wrote TLJ first. How does that make any sense whatsoever
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mandark on December 31, 2017, 05:42:24 AM
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/05/star-wars-the-last-jedi-cover-portfolio

Quote
What the story group does not do, Hart said, is impose plot-point mandates on the filmmakers. Johnson told me he was surprised at how much leeway he was given to cook up the action of Episode VIII from scratch. “The pre-set was Episode VII, and that was kind of it,” he said. If anything, Johnson wanted more give-and-take with the Lucasfilm team, so he moved up to San Francisco for about six weeks during his writing process, taking an office two doors down from Hart’s and meeting with the full group twice a week.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Baiano19 on December 31, 2017, 09:01:18 AM
Just found out there is a r/sequelmemes

It's like poetry... It rhymes.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 31, 2017, 09:15:20 AM
Watched The Last Jedi again today. Enjoyed it even more than the first time. Luke whining about his fate as a Jedi Master is in line with every other whining Luke in the canon. Rey is awesome. Kylo is a great villain. Muppet Yoda is best Yoda.

Still not a fan of the Canto Bight sequence. It really is nothing but green screen fuckery. But I figured out a way to work in Lando: he should’ve been the gambler who Maz recommended, with the red flower boutonniere. It would have been a fantastic cameo, and perfectly in character.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thehunter116 on December 31, 2017, 07:40:24 PM
Yeah but why are you making shit up about TLJ being written before TFA

https://www.cinemablend.com/new/Star-Wars-Continue-Long-Episode-IX-According-Disney-108587.html

They had planned the first 5 movies out in advance. Each to varying degrees; I'll try and find an article that talks about the story treatments.

That literally says nothing about having anything planned out story wise, they just say that the movies are confirmed to exist. Like how did you extrapolate anything there to mean they wrote TLJ first. How does that make any sense whatsoever

It wasn't that article dude, I said I'd hunt down the other one talking about the story treatments.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 31, 2017, 07:42:38 PM
Shut the fuck up hunter you whore
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thehunter116 on December 31, 2017, 10:59:19 PM
Shut the fuck up hunter you whore

Eat a dick.  :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 31, 2017, 11:15:10 PM
Shut the fuck up hunter you whore

Eat a dick.  :doge
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: etiolate on December 31, 2017, 11:44:00 PM
btw

The reason Yoda playing rube works and the momma joke doesn't is not because of comedy but anachronism. Nobody is on hold for your mom in the SW universe. That's not a thing in that world. It's obviously coming from our world and comes off as awkward to jarring. Using humor to distract isn't the issue. It was that the joke was written for our world and not a highly advanced intergalactic universe.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thehunter116 on January 01, 2018, 12:12:28 AM
btw

The reason Yoda playing rube works and the momma joke doesn't is not because of comedy but anachronism. Nobody is on hold for your mom in the SW universe. That's not a thing in that world. It's obviously coming from our world and comes off as awkward to jarring. Using humor to distract isn't the issue. It was that the joke was written for our world and not a highly advanced intergalactic universe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4n0F9R90F0

Also that argument doesn't work since they use swears like hell. Why would a galaxy full of species use the afterlife of our religion as a swear?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 01, 2018, 12:29:45 AM
On a side note, I'm slowly making my way through the audiobook versions of these.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Thrawn_Trilogy

I've never been remotely interested in Star Wars EU stuff but the annual release schedule of these star war films does make me more interested in Star Wars in general for about a month. Generally, I satiate that hunger by watching various prequel fan edit versions of the films like an insane person but this year decided to try something different instead. I guess, I'll post my thoughts on them as I finish each book.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mandark on January 01, 2018, 02:33:44 AM
I remember those books being a much more coherent, better thought-out approach to constructing a post-ROTJ scenario than the current movies.

Kind of want to go back and read them, but it's probably better to keep my rose-colored view of them from when I was 13.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thehunter116 on January 01, 2018, 03:26:07 AM
I remember those books being a much more coherent, better thought-out approach to constructing a post-ROTJ scenario than the current movies.

Kind of want to go back and read them, but it's probably better to keep my rose-colored view of them from when I was 13.

Nah Timothy Zahn is the GOAT.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 01, 2018, 01:26:58 PM
I remember those books being a much more coherent, better thought-out approach to constructing a post-ROTJ scenario than the current movies.

Kind of want to go back and read them, but it's probably better to keep my rose-colored view of them from when I was 13.

They are but the issue is- they pick up pretty much right after RotJ. We've got the 30 year gap in the new trilogy. They just chose to fill it with kinda dumb shit, and in typical "JJ Abrams was involved with this project" fashion a bunch of half answered questions.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thehunter116 on January 01, 2018, 01:49:47 PM
I remember those books being a much more coherent, better thought-out approach to constructing a post-ROTJ scenario than the current movies.

Kind of want to go back and read them, but it's probably better to keep my rose-colored view of them from when I was 13.

They are but the issue is- they pick up pretty much right after RotJ. We've got the 30 year gap in the new trilogy. They just chose to fill it with kinda dumb shit, and in typical "JJ Abrams was involved with this project" fashion a bunch of half answered questions.

This I do legit wish they hadn't done.

So many unanswered questions.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 01, 2018, 06:35:53 PM
https://twitter.com/PrequelMemesBot/status/947851130859675648
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on January 02, 2018, 01:58:14 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/rhKpDSV.png)

"It's like poetry. It rhymes."   :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 02, 2018, 09:17:17 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/rhKpDSV.png)

"It's like poetry. It rhymes."   :doge

Yeah, except TLJ made me shiver with frisson, and Ep. III just made me shiver.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Brehvolution on January 02, 2018, 09:23:12 AM
The part near the end
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Where the lady turned the rebel ship around to jump to hyperspace through that big ass first order ship. When the ship went through, it went silent, a kid in the theater said "Boom!" and half the place was laughing through the silent part. I'm sure the kid didn't think it would go silent during that part.
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The audio was super loud for the movie or I just haven't been to a movie in a long time.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on January 02, 2018, 11:45:20 AM
I have to agree with Snore. A+ for vision C- or worse for execution.

I really respect that they decided to burn all the old star wars stuff down so they could be masters of their own fate and not be tied to telling the same George Lucas story with the same George Lucas characters. Honestly, if Disney had given me the helm on episode 8, I would've largely done the same thing .Burn it all down and start something new. In that sense, I can really respect the balls on Disney to actually try it, since you know the fanboys are going to be angry that whatever comes next, isn't the same star wars story with the same star wars characters and the same "fill out the mad lib" type story telling that TFA was. That's not to say that I didn't enjoy TFA, I really did (I enjoyed it way more than TLJ) but it was what was just a rehash of the original trilogy. And that was fine. To revive the series you need that, now that it's done you need to set it up for the next iteration and make it your own.  Which is what I see they were trying to do.

They tried to do WAY too much. In their rush to burn it all down/tie up everything nice and neat for the next set of movies they made some ridiculous missteps:
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- Rey's parents? I know you wanna get away from the "uncertain parentage trope" but to keep bringing it up over and over and then to be like "Nope. It's a big nothing burger. Psych!" That was insanely lame
- Finn and Captain Phasma. that was stupid. They could have left that for later to give it the time it deserved. This just felt like "Oh yeah, we need to get that resolved. So let's do this cheesy, forced fight that will be really dumb cause we have like 3 or 4 minutes to spend on it." They should have left it alone
- Leia coming back to life? That was laugh out loud ridiculous. There was really no need for her to stay alive. She didn't contribute anything else to the story other than "She's Leia". They should have left her dead. And now that Carrie Fisher is dead, they REALLY should have left her dead
- I get what they were doing with the Fin and Rose thing, and I largely thing it was a good idea. But their little escapade that took so long and was completely ineffectual to the story. You could have largely cut that whole arc out and the movie would have been the same.  There were other ways to do accomplish Fin's growth and the introduction of Rose
- They went too hard for the Marvel-esque "smart ass" thing and made the first order look dumb instead of something to be afraid of. Marvel does it because they usually only pull it off when the good guys are winning. But the audience needs to feel like the bad guy is scary and starting it off with the bad guys acting like bumbling idiots does not do that.
- Oh and that stupid purple hair admiral thing was really horribly executed. The only real reason she wouldn't take poe aside and tell him the plan would be if she though the was a spy, which it's obvious that she didn't. Further, if in the end she was just going to "allah ackbar" the thing. She could have done that from one of the ships that were going to be destroyed anyway, like the medical cruiser or a supply ship. That whole things was ridiculous.
- Further, if the first order can track through light space, why bother following them so closely.
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That all being said beyond burning it all down, they did do a few other things right
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- I sorta liked emo Luke. I know people feel its uncharacteristic. But I think the reaction was understandable. I do think him trying to kill Kylo is a step too far, but the rest of it I get. Though the whole "LOL JK, Rey is the next Jedi." at the end was too much.
- Some great shots. Leia looking out of the snow field. The shot looking down Kylo's light sabre. Some good stuff there
- Kylo having played Snoke and everybody is a pretty good move as it sets up a good villain and gets rid of the whole "OMG, I R so conflicted" Vader crap.  Let's just hope they don't fuck it up.
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All in all, I dig the vision but the execution was so bad that it puts TLJ just above the prequels for me in terms of quality. I sorta view the franchise as 4-7 as one set (7 was just a retelling of 4-6 anyway) and TLJ and prequels as another. That being said, that's not great company for TLJ to be in.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on January 03, 2018, 01:21:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsrAGjesyYY
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thehunter116 on January 03, 2018, 01:47:16 PM
I have to agree with Snore. A+ for vision C- or worse for execution.

I really respect that they decided to burn all the old star wars stuff down so they could be masters of their own fate and not be tied to telling the same George Lucas story with the same George Lucas characters. Honestly, if Disney had given me the helm on episode 8, I would've largely done the same thing .Burn it all down and start something new. In that sense, I can really respect the balls on Disney to actually try it, since you know the fanboys are going to be angry that whatever comes next, isn't the same star wars story with the same star wars characters and the same "fill out the mad lib" type story telling that TFA was. That's not to say that I didn't enjoy TFA, I really did (I enjoyed it way more than TLJ) but it was what was just a rehash of the original trilogy. And that was fine. To revive the series you need that, now that it's done you need to set it up for the next iteration and make it your own.  Which is what I see they were trying to do.

They tried to do WAY too much. In their rush to burn it all down/tie up everything nice and neat for the next set of movies they made some ridiculous missteps:
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- Rey's parents? I know you wanna get away from the "uncertain parentage trope" but to keep bringing it up over and over and then to be like "Nope. It's a big nothing burger. Psych!" That was insanely lame
- Finn and Captain Phasma. that was stupid. They could have left that for later to give it the time it deserved. This just felt like "Oh yeah, we need to get that resolved. So let's do this cheesy, forced fight that will be really dumb cause we have like 3 or 4 minutes to spend on it." They should have left it alone
- Leia coming back to life? That was laugh out loud ridiculous. There was really no need for her to stay alive. She didn't contribute anything else to the story other than "She's Leia". They should have left her dead. And now that Carrie Fisher is dead, they REALLY should have left her dead
- I get what they were doing with the Fin and Rose thing, and I largely thing it was a good idea. But their little escapade that took so long and was completely ineffectual to the story. You could have largely cut that whole arc out and the movie would have been the same.  There were other ways to do accomplish Fin's growth and the introduction of Rose
- They went too hard for the Marvel-esque "smart ass" thing and made the first order look dumb instead of something to be afraid of. Marvel does it because they usually only pull it off when the good guys are winning. But the audience needs to feel like the bad guy is scary and starting it off with the bad guys acting like bumbling idiots does not do that.
- Oh and that stupid purple hair admiral thing was really horribly executed. The only real reason she wouldn't take poe aside and tell him the plan would be if she though the was a spy, which it's obvious that she didn't. Further, if in the end she was just going to "allah ackbar" the thing. She could have done that from one of the ships that were going to be destroyed anyway, like the medical cruiser or a supply ship. That whole things was ridiculous.
- Further, if the first order can track through light space, why bother following them so closely.
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That all being said beyond burning it all down, they did do a few other things right
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- I sorta liked emo Luke. I know people feel its uncharacteristic. But I think the reaction was understandable. I do think him trying to kill Kylo is a step too far, but the rest of it I get. Though the whole "LOL JK, Rey is the next Jedi." at the end was too much.
- Some great shots. Leia looking out of the snow field. The shot looking down Kylo's light sabre. Some good stuff there
- Kylo having played Snoke and everybody is a pretty good move as it sets up a good villain and gets rid of the whole "OMG, I R so conflicted" Vader crap.  Let's just hope they don't fuck it up.
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All in all, I dig the vision but the execution was so bad that it puts TLJ just above the prequels for me in terms of quality. I sorta view the franchise as 4-7 as one set (7 was just a retelling of 4-6 anyway) and TLJ and prequels as another. That being said, that's not great company for TLJ to be in.

I can see an argument for RotS tier execution...but not AotC or TPM. Those had terrible delivery and execution.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on January 03, 2018, 02:01:47 PM
I haven't seen it again, but after letting the dust settle I am of the same opinion as before. It is kind of a messy film, but I liked it and found it more interesting than TFA.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 03, 2018, 02:06:33 PM
The worst thing about TLJ is all the people crawling out of the shadows to defend the Prequel Trilogy. :yuck
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on January 03, 2018, 02:17:40 PM
The worst thing about TLJ is all the people crawling out of the shadows to defend the Prequel Trilogy. :yuck

It is indefensible.
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TPM and RotS have some cool parts though
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 03, 2018, 03:55:45 PM
The worst thing about TLJ is all the people crawling out of the shadows to defend the Prequel Trilogy. :yuck

It is indefensible.
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TPM and RotS have some cool parts though
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TPM, AOTC, ROTS, let the past die. Kill it, if you have to.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: paprikastaude on January 03, 2018, 04:23:01 PM
The worst thing about TLJ is all the people crawling out of the shadows to defend the Prequel Trilogy. :yuck

I've noticed there was an overwhelming amount of times when people that were criticizing episode 7 sooner or later started some argumentation with "you see, at least the prequels..." and me always thinking :donot "get out"
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thehunter116 on January 03, 2018, 04:54:44 PM
In defense of the prequels within themselves, how anyone puts AotC ahead of either of the other two is beyond me.

A boring shitty romance/political drama with some battle droids and light-sabers thrown in.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Brehvolution on January 03, 2018, 04:55:41 PM
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 03, 2018, 08:19:50 PM
In defense of the prequels within themselves, how anyone puts AotC ahead of either of the other two is beyond me.

A boring shitty romance/political drama with some battle droids and light-sabers thrown in.

Not only that, but they were bullshit kung-fu swordfights, not the swashbuckling duels that were emulated in the original trilogy. GL claimed, "Oh, I'd always wanted it to be this way," but the truth is it was just a new thing that caught his fancy.  :maf
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 03, 2018, 10:55:01 PM
CGI kung-fu laser sword fighting with Yoda and Palpatine. :yuck :yuck
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 04, 2018, 06:35:04 AM
CGI kung-fu laser sword fighting with Yoda and Palpatine. :yuck :yuck

Yeah, I hated everything about whirling-dervish CGI Yoda, spazzing and spinning around the battle with Count Dooku. Then again, I also disliked the fight between Obi-Wan and Anakin on Mustafar or whatever the lava planet was called. JEDI MASTER FIGHT - why the hell does lava have to be involved. Worse than that, lava is just set-dressing in that fight; it's not even a strategic consideration until homeboy gets paraplegicized and slides backward into it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 04, 2018, 09:44:07 AM
Shut the fuck up hunter you whore

Eat a dick.  :doge
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thats exactly how i think prison life would be
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2018, 10:26:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsrAGjesyYY
the original trilogy ones are even funnier than the prequels in this too :thinking
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2018, 10:36:31 PM
On a side note, I'm slowly making my way through the audiobook versions of these.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Thrawn_Trilogy

I've never been remotely interested in Star Wars EU stuff but the annual release schedule of these star war films does make me more interested in Star Wars in general for about a month. Generally, I satiate that hunger by watching various prequel fan edit versions of the films like an insane person but this year decided to try something different instead. I guess, I'll post my thoughts on them as I finish each book.
Having enjoyed your recent revisiting the Trek films even if I didn't comment much on it, I look forward to this.

A few weeks back I mumbled some gibberish about this trilogy in comparison to the new Abramsverse Wars films based off 15-20 year old memories of Thrawn. I definitely don't have the Wars canon seared into my mind like Trek. I'll see if I can dig it up, there are maybe mild spoilers. But you can just ignore it until you finish, or ignore it all together.

edit: http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=42590.msg2354023#msg2354023
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The reason the Thrawn Trilogy was/is so praised was not that it's brilliantly written, it's not significantly better than most licensed novels of the era, and even as "Star Wars" it's a poor sequel to Jedi as Lucas hadn't yet actually decided all that shit about how the force works or what Luke's end goal was/the state of the Sith/etc. It's that it took the universe status, and the character status, in the wake of Jedi, and built logically off of it. The Empire had not suddenly collapsed, it was just heavily weakened, the Rebels weren't victors, most of the galaxy was taking the advantage of being freed to be Non-Aligned, much of the time is spent by Leia and Empire equivalents at propping up alliances or neutrality agreements, and both sides are looking for an advantage in the continued war. Han doesn't run off as a smuggler because he's now invested in these friends, Luke is trying to figure out his place but recognizes the advantage of a Jedi being around, etc. I'm going to really work off my memory here so I could get major chunks of this wrong, or be combing it with another book or something. The trilogy's actual hook is Thrawn himself, he's thrust into a role of intergalactic significance and progresses to realize what that means. When he's placed in the position to decide regarding the Clone War armada they come across and most of the one book is spent with both sides fighting over, it's one of the few times that Star Wars actually stops and asks moral questions about character actions. Thrawn recognizes the evil of the Late Empire, but also it's importance prior in providing a form of Galactic Order, as well as the Clone War Armada being potentially a greater evil than the continued sparring with the Rebels. (The book is sketchy on the events of the Clone Wars because I know a few people here remember that before the Prequels actually showed the damn thing it was considered this horrific monstrous war, and the book works off that premise that activating the ships may unleash an old terror. And the suggestion that the Empire may have been necessary to simply end it, not because it was a setup by Palpatine, but because it was the only way to end the horror.)

also a semi-related comment on how Thrawn's post-Jedi universe is in comparison to how Abrams post-Jedi universe is with wookiepedia sourcing: http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=42590.msg2354841#msg2354841

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What the OT pulled off was telling a story, though hardly an original one, about a small band of characters and their adventures, while hinting at a larger world, until ESB upends the entire table and forces Jedi to start reaching ludicrous speeds for a conclusion that neither of the prior two films, nor even the first half of Jedi justify. The New Trilogy so far is working off Jedi's model more than the others.

The Prequels went in the entire opposite direction, galaxy altering events were happening all over and Lucas was jamming Obi-Wan and Anakin and Natalie Portman into the center of them. Because prophecy.

My half seriousness about TPM, and ultimately Palpatine's entire plot since his scheming is actually best shown in TPM considering where the film starts regarding all the pieces he has to move, being the best, is it's the actual Star Wars film where there is a full on plot at work. As much as Lucas wanted the Prequels to be about Anakin that's outright trash and ultimately irrelevant, it's really about Palpatine's manipulation of the entire galaxy to not only turn the entire galactic government over to his control, but wipe out the Jedi after millennia with none of them even knowing it's a Sith plot until the last film at which point it's too late. Anakin doesn't even truly fall under Palpatine's thrall until the back third of ROTS and even Palpatine had to be surprised as fuck at how he pulled it off.

The OT doesn't have any of this. It has better actors, better dialogue, better direction, better pacing, better action, etc. but until Lucas decided "the twist" it didn't have anything to hold it together except the character relationships. (Which it upends for Jedi.) The NT so far doesn't have much of any of it either. We're two thirds of a way through the story now and what exactly has been accomplished that the notion of Star Wars as a fantasy epic with a vital universe is backed by?
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 05, 2018, 05:48:53 AM
I FUCKING LOVED THIS ARTICLE:

https://www.zacbertschy.com/blog/2017/12/29/my-hero-luke-skywalker
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on January 05, 2018, 06:23:40 AM
I FUCKING LOVED THIS ARTICLE:

https://www.zacbertschy.com/blog/2017/12/29/my-hero-luke-skywalker
>decries Luke for being a self-insert
>uses Luke as a self-insert
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 05, 2018, 02:05:26 PM
One final thing about the Last Jedi that I wanted to talk about and then I'm kind of done with discussion on it as I've talked about everything that interests me on it. I find it odd that people give credit to the last jedi for making the movie about "failure" and how brave and original that was and a shocking subversion of expectations.

I mean once again I go back to the Empire Strikes back and its basically just following that template without the heavy handedness of having a character literally tell us the point of the movie is failure.

All the characters fail all over the place in empire. All of them. And its just woven in as part of the story. Characters are warned that the actions they are taking don't seem likely. Like when Yoda warns Luke about confronting Vader. The character goes and does it. Learns a painful truth and loses his hand. Han Solo gets betrayed by a close friend and frozen in carbonite.

So this idea that Last Jedi is either original and unique because of its themes strike me as odd. It's basically just using the Strikes back template in a more heavy handed and clunky manner with less interesting plots striving to achieve the same thing.

For me I see this alot with Jedi where people seem to give it a lot of credit for things that imo were done better in other movies and aren't as original as people make them out to be.

This is part of that disconnect I have where the people who dislike the movie seem to dislike it for reasons that seem trivial to me but people who love it tend to give it over-credit for things that have been done better before or sort of given more credit for things that aren't really as bold and innovative as they seem to think.

Either way, I'm all talked out on Last Jedi until some interesting piece comes along to give new fuel to the conversation.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on January 05, 2018, 02:44:36 PM
Star Wars holds a place in people's hearts mainly because it was the only game in town back then that was sci-fi and popular. More than for the fact that it was good. The more I watch anything star wars, the more I'm convinced that this is true.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 05, 2018, 03:01:37 PM
I don't know. I like Star Wars. At least in comparison to most modern blockbuster entertainment. I still think its better than most of the super-hero fare out there. At least in theory people can die in Star Wars. At least in theory, you have to eventually retire old characters and put in new characters.

I may stop feeling that way in a few years after the 10th year in a row with a Star Wars movie but you know what I mean. I still think a good star wars movie brings more to the table than another marvel movie.

I've yet to Watch Game of Thrones so I can't really comment on that though that seems to be the new Stars Wars for this generation.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on January 05, 2018, 04:04:20 PM
I FUCKING LOVED THIS ARTICLE:

https://www.zacbertschy.com/blog/2017/12/29/my-hero-luke-skywalker
"Luke fucking Skywalker, in the drive thru at 3am getting two double decker taco supremes, a bean and cheese burrito and a large Diet Mountain Dew. He’ll finish Super Mario Odyssey at 5:30 in the morning and wait to tweet about it until after he wakes up at 6pm so people don’t notice he was up all night again. They wouldn’t really notice, but he thinks they would." :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on January 05, 2018, 04:10:34 PM
One final thing about the Last Jedi that I wanted to talk about and then I'm kind of done with discussion on it as I've talked about everything that interests me on it. I find it odd that people give credit to the last jedi for making the movie about "failure" and how brave and original that was and a shocking subversion of expectations.

I mean once again I go back to the Empire Strikes back and its basically just following that template without the heavy handedness of having a character literally tell us the point of the movie is failure.

All the characters fail all over the place in empire. All of them. And its just woven in as part of the story. Characters are warned that the actions they are taking don't seem likely. Like when Yoda warns Luke about confronting Vader. The character goes and does it. Learns a painful truth and loses his hand. Han Solo gets betrayed by a close friend and frozen in carbonite.

So this idea that Last Jedi is either original and unique because of its themes strike me as odd. It's basically just using the Strikes back template in a more heavy handed and clunky manner with less interesting plots striving to achieve the same thing.

For me I see this alot with Jedi where people seem to give it a lot of credit for things that imo were done better in other movies and aren't as original as people make them out to be.

This is part of that disconnect I have where the people who dislike the movie seem to dislike it for reasons that seem trivial to me but people who love it tend to give it over-credit for things that have been done better before or sort of given more credit for things that aren't really as bold and innovative as they seem to think.

Either way, I'm all talked out on Last Jedi until some interesting piece comes along to give new fuel to the conversation.

Completely agreed.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on January 05, 2018, 04:12:44 PM
Star Wars holds a place in people's hearts mainly because it was the only game in town back then that was sci-fi and popular. More than for the fact that it was good. The more I watch anything star wars, the more I'm convinced that this is true.

Star Trek. How does it explain the popularity of sci-fi back in 90's when the prequels came out? Star Wars isn't even sci-fi. It has none of the gravitas and depth that defines sci-fi.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on January 05, 2018, 04:27:52 PM
Star Wars holds a place in people's hearts mainly because it was the only game in town back then that was sci-fi and popular. More than for the fact that it was good. The more I watch anything star wars, the more I'm convinced that this is true.

Star Trek. How does it explain the popularity of sci-fi back in 90's when the prequels came out? Star Wars isn't even sci-fi. It has none of the gravitas and depth that defines sci-fi.
If we're splitting hairs then I guess you could say pulp sci fi or pop sci fi. And of course the prequels were exciting in the 90s, half of the people wanted to relive their teens and the other half wanted to introduce their kids to star wars. Surely you're not making the point that the prequels were popular from their own merit?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tokyosandblaster on January 05, 2018, 04:28:19 PM
Star Wars holds a place in people's hearts mainly because it was the only game in town back then that was sci-fi and popular. More than for the fact that it was good. The more I watch anything star wars, the more I'm convinced that this is true.

Star Trek. How does it explain the popularity of sci-fi back in 90's when the prequels came out? Star Wars isn't even sci-fi. It has none of the gravitas and depth that defines sci-fi.
It takes place in a galaxy far, far away. There are space ships. There are aliens. There are midichlorians. There is Jar Jar Binks. It's not deep like Star Trek but lol at it not being sci-fi.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on January 05, 2018, 04:31:58 PM
Star Wars holds a place in people's hearts mainly because it was the only game in town back then that was sci-fi and popular. More than for the fact that it was good. The more I watch anything star wars, the more I'm convinced that this is true.

Star Trek. How does it explain the popularity of sci-fi back in 90's when the prequels came out? Star Wars isn't even sci-fi. It has none of the gravitas and depth that defines sci-fi.
If we're splitting hairs then I guess you could say pulp sci fi or pop sci fi. And of course the prequels were exciting in the 90s, half of the people wanted to relive their teens and the other half wanted to introduce their kids to star wars. Surely you're not making the point that the prequels were popular from their own merit?

I didn't say that at all. You said Star Wars was popular because there was no other competition. But the 90's was FULL of sci-fi competition that was very popular.

Star Wars holds a place in people's hearts mainly because it was the only game in town back then that was sci-fi and popular. More than for the fact that it was good. The more I watch anything star wars, the more I'm convinced that this is true.

Star Trek. How does it explain the popularity of sci-fi back in 90's when the prequels came out? Star Wars isn't even sci-fi. It has none of the gravitas and depth that defines sci-fi.
It takes place in a galaxy far, far away. There are space ships. There are aliens. There are midichlorians. There is Jar Jar Binks. It's not deep like Star Trek but lol at it not being sci-fi.

Fine. It's sci-fi then. But it wasn't the only game in town. Maybe when it was released if that was his point.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on January 05, 2018, 10:58:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsrAGjesyYY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejnBg92JMAA
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on January 06, 2018, 03:19:52 AM
I cant wait for Rebels to start up again :lawd
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 06, 2018, 07:02:16 AM
I cant wait for Rebels to start up again :lawd
Is this the final season?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on January 06, 2018, 09:44:21 AM
I cant wait for Rebels to start up again :lawd
Is this the final season?
Yeah, only half a season to go :goldberg
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 06, 2018, 01:46:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y5sCLZjoLg
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thehunter116 on January 06, 2018, 02:26:53 PM
I cant wait for Rebels to start up again :lawd

I can't wait to see how they tie it in with Rogue One.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on January 06, 2018, 05:37:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y5sCLZjoLg

:lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 06, 2018, 07:48:34 PM
Rewatched TLJ today with my parents, ended up enjoying the movie more than I did the first time. The low parts didn't bother me as much, and I appreciated the high points even more.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 06, 2018, 08:26:29 PM
I cant wait for Rebels to start up again :lawd

I can't wait to see how they tie it in with Rogue One.

They've already had bits in the film, right? I recall the GHOST was visible during the attack on the, er, "beach planet" where the Empire had the plans for the Death Star stored…

I also half-thought the Phantom is the same design as the ship Finn and Rose take to Canto Bight.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on January 06, 2018, 08:39:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y5sCLZjoLg
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Finally a movie reviewer who isn't afraid of saying he likes a movie that deals with religion.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on January 06, 2018, 11:05:24 PM
I cant wait for Rebels to start up again :lawd

I can't wait to see how they tie it in with Rogue One.

They've already had bits in the film, right? I recall the GHOST was visible during the attack on the, er, "beach planet" where the Empire had the plans for the Death Star stored…

I also half-thought the Phantom is the same design as the ship Finn and Rose take to Canto Bight.
Yup. it's already had significant tie in to rogue one, they will make this connect with a new hope at the end now.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 09, 2018, 11:44:45 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tly1H8LaDAQ
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: CatsCatsCats on January 11, 2018, 01:17:18 PM
Is that episode 9?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 11, 2018, 01:29:52 PM
We can only hope.

Crab Rose as the hero :rejoice
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 12, 2018, 04:47:42 AM
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/950394363384807424.html

I liked this, too. Some of you guys want to bash TLJ, that's, like, your opinion, man…

But We were not talking for this many pages about TFA, it was like cotton candy — Yeah, that was defo a Star Wars movie, even one we've seen before. Twice before, even — it's a rip off of A New Hope and Empire…

I don't think TLJ is perfect, but it took more chances than anything else we've seen so far, most of those chances landing successfully for me.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 12, 2018, 02:12:41 PM
Finally saw this last night, don't really know what to think about it. My overall feeling is I'm glad it was something new, so it's better than TFA just because of that.

I rewatched the teaser though and the scene I was looking forward to the most got cut, apparently:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB4I68XVPzQ

I was really interested in what Rey was running to/from with the lightsaber at sunset. She looked pretty desperate and determined about something.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 12, 2018, 06:52:04 PM
Lightsaber poop knife.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 12, 2018, 07:30:28 PM
Had to drop the droids off at Jabba's Palace.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on January 12, 2018, 07:32:35 PM
turd cutter was about to have its shield generator blown up
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 12, 2018, 11:15:49 PM
After thinking on it for about a day, you know what?

No.

This isn't how Luke Skywalker should go down.

I agree with Hamill. It's a very interesting concept, but the execution of individual scenes, and the writing of Luke himself, doesn't jive with the first three films.

The scene playing over and over in my mind during every Luke scene in TLJ was the last scene of ROTJ.

Those were not a continuation of that. A fan fiction, an expanded universe, a what if scenario, sure.

But that is not my Luke.

This movie doesn't get to reuse the binary sunset and that music cue to play with my emotions.

Luke and Hamill deserved far better.

Admittedly, the shot of him facing down the row of AT-ATs by himself is probably the most perfect shot of Luke Skywalker I could have ever hoped for, but the context just wasn't there.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mandark on January 12, 2018, 11:46:57 PM
nah it was good
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on January 13, 2018, 12:28:24 AM
nah it was good
stfu bobby
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 13, 2018, 12:35:55 AM
I'm still determining if it was good. I do maintain it is better than TFA.

But the Luke aspect was too jarring for me.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on January 13, 2018, 12:37:14 AM
The Luke thing is the only thing I liked really liked about the movie. How is it jarring?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 13, 2018, 12:41:43 AM
The Luke scenes were the best part but... I just didn't think of it as Luke from the original trilogy. It felt like a new "old hermit" Jedi character. What is there in TLJ to connect that Luke to the one we got to know over previous three films?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on January 13, 2018, 12:54:45 AM
That's the new trilogy in a nutshell tho. What's there connecting this new galaxy to the old one where the rebels won? 30 years go by and we don't we get to see what happens. Just get a short - but totally not good enough - summary in the crawl. That said, I think it's OT Luke to a T. The same guy who gave up pulling his ship out of the water would definitely be the same guy who gave up on his student when he smells a hint of the dark side in a famously dark side family. What Yoda said to Luke,"always looking to the horizon" was a great summary of his character, and I thought it was a great continuation and conclusion to the legacy of Luke Skywalker.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 13, 2018, 12:59:12 AM
It's a shame because I was pretty excited for TFA, and even after TFA though I got a bit less excited I still had faith in the Lucasfilm "story team" or whatever. But like, no one has even fucking made a veiled reference to fucking LANDO CALRISSIAN.

Eps 7-9 are fan fiction by fanboys who can't see past ANH and certain scenes of ESB. To them it's like ROTJ and the prequels never happened. They probably feel like they're "quality purists" who only incorporate the good parts of SW, but the scrubbing of the prequels, Lando, and basically anything EU is not only an insult to fans of the original trilogy and possibly Lucas himself, but it's also creatively bankrupt.

I had hope the new trilogy would have some kind of purpose. That faith faltered when they recycled ANH into TFA, but it's completely gone after TLJ. They can throw whomever they want at these movies but there's no chance for anything new here.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 13, 2018, 01:02:41 AM
Who the fuck is Snoke anyways?

This kind of "introduce some super Force user and then kill him off without explaining anything" shit would not fly if this were the first trilogy of Star Wars being produced. It only semi-works because TLJ assumes familiarity with 4-6. "We got a new Emperor... Psyche!" It's incredibly cheap. The new trilogy should be made to stand on its own and it just doesn't at all. Actually even the prequels -possibly not most of ROTS- could be seen as their own thing.

Despite the mantra of "kill the past," 7 and 8 are still utterly tied to the older films to the point that it's not even worth watching them if you haven't seen the originals.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on January 13, 2018, 01:26:36 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/501115266382954496/QWDsO8Ld.jpeg)

Yes, yesssssss. Embrace it. Realize in your heart of hearts what the new trilogy is. Then come to realize the truth: Star Wars isn't shit except for maybe ESB and depending on who you ask ROTJ. Yes, yesssss. Join us.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on January 13, 2018, 01:29:20 AM
Who the fuck was the Emperor anyway?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 13, 2018, 01:30:33 AM
Also that fucking force-using dumbass slave kid who couldn't act his way out of a paper bag with the label "for Jake Lloyd ONLY" on it reminded me waaaaayyyyy too much of that Hack Snyder Man of Steel bullshit with Kid Clark wearing a cape at the end even though IT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE.

Fuck Zack Snyder and fuck this new trilogy. I WISH Trevorrow was still on 9, at least in that case there was a chance he'd fuck it up so badly it'd be interesting.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on January 13, 2018, 01:32:05 AM
What'd you think of the casino scene and its prequel-isms?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on January 13, 2018, 01:34:43 AM
Ya Star Wars wasnt very good and immensely dissatisfying, not mad though, it is what it is. #ufchawaii #letsdothedamnthing
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 13, 2018, 01:38:51 AM
What'd you think of the casino scene and its prequel-isms?

If Benicio was Lando "as planned" (allegedly) it might have worked, maybe? Rose is a fucking garbo character though, which is a shame since she seems cool IRL. I'm 100% sure they didn't expect the prequel comparisons (cause this is the fucking company that saw someone in the CG department put prequel-specific flags on Maz's cantina in the trailer for TFA and then fucking pasted over them in photoshop for the final release (https://io9.gizmodo.com/j-j-abrams-nixed-a-very-weird-prequel-reference-in-th-1774459977)) but in the very smallest sense, the fact we can connect them to 1-3 is something I suppose.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on January 13, 2018, 01:47:06 AM
Benicio should have been Han. It should have been him inside the AT ST instead of that fucking Mary Bender BB-8.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: hungrynoob on January 13, 2018, 06:52:24 PM
I kinda like it, but i can see why people didnt like it.

I can understand after all the fan hype and theories of certain questions, why people would be pissed off that they just let to "its nothing" big fuck up there I think because this was a massive driving force building hype for the movie, the mystery the possibilities. That ended up just now rey vs kylo. Cool I guess, but youve taken all that energy surrounding the lore and just straight up murdered it. And while that was kinda a part of the plot of the movie, i feel like that was the wrong decision.

Also leia coming in clutch was a bit weird but w/e.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 13, 2018, 07:07:05 PM
The lore has been improved over the bullshittery of the Prequels.

The Force has been restored to something we all have, not just someone having midichlorians or the right parents.

The Emperor was JUST AS INEXPLICABLE AND OF UNIMPORTANT ORIGIN in ESB and ROTJ. No1 curr.

People who think Rian pissed on the story of VII are willfully or fundamentally ignorant.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on January 13, 2018, 07:09:55 PM
I agree all that except the third one, Chrono. Come on. The emperor wasn't hanlded the best in the OT so that makes it okay to handle Snoke poorly in the sequal trilogy? It doesn't fly with me and just feel like an excuse.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: hungrynoob on January 13, 2018, 07:15:48 PM
The lore has been improved over the bullshittery of the Prequels.

The Force has been restored to something we all have, not just someone having midichlorians or the right parents.

The Emperor was JUST AS INEXPLICABLE AND OF UNIMPORTANT ORIGIN in ESB and ROTJ. No1 curr.

People who think Rian pissed on the story of VII are willfully or fundamentally ignorant.

When I saw the OT i was super young and it never really meant much to me. And I kinda grew up with the prequels and so I dont mind them. So your point about the emporer is kinda moot for me as its kinda always been for me that palpatine was sidious. That being said, I actually really liked the way the force as portrayed in this movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mandark on January 13, 2018, 08:07:58 PM
The emperor wasn't hanlded the best in the OT

Is that even the case, though? Did people enjoy those movies less because we didn't get a back story for that character?

I think the main change was the way audiences tend to approach these things (which JJ was happy to enable, of course).
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on January 13, 2018, 08:14:39 PM
I personally don't think that's the case, but that's the argument being made.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 13, 2018, 10:50:11 PM
Snoke did his job and once it was done he get iced. That's really all there is to it. Now they can spend all of 9 on Rey and Kylo's conflict.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on January 13, 2018, 11:25:09 PM
Is the Snoke movie coming 2019 or 2020?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on January 13, 2018, 11:31:07 PM
Is the Snoke movie coming 2019 or 2020?
I think that's coming after the Rose trilogy, Fix Things, Fix Things 2: Fix Harder, Fix Things Forever.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 14, 2018, 02:30:15 AM
I agree all that except the third one, Chrono. Come on. The emperor wasn't hanlded the best in the OT so that makes it okay to handle Snoke poorly in the sequal trilogy? It doesn't fly with me and just feel like an excuse.

I'm not saying the Emperor or Snoke were handled poorly. I'm observing that the Emperor was an even scarier Big Bad Guy than Darth Vader, the same way that Snoke was a BBG compared to Kylo Ren. I'm stating that the OT didn't explain the origins of everything ad nauseum, left it open to interpretation, and benefited from leaving things vague.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on January 14, 2018, 02:49:54 AM
this new trilogy just makes me want another trilogy that will tell me what the fuck happened between episodes 6 and 7. It's like when you're binge watching a tv show and you accidentally skip over an episode or two. You realize there's shit going on that's familiar, but you've clearly missed some vital information. Then you look at the episode number and go back to the ep you were supposed to be on  :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on January 14, 2018, 04:04:29 AM
Snoke did his job and once it was done he get iced. That's really all there is to it. Now they can spend all of 9 on Rey and Kylo's conflict.
 

Too bad Kylo doesn't compell me. He keeps acting like a BIAAAATCH  :win
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on January 14, 2018, 04:10:47 AM
I agree all that except the third one, Chrono. Come on. The emperor wasn't hanlded the best in the OT so that makes it okay to handle Snoke poorly in the sequal trilogy? It doesn't fly with me and just feel like an excuse.

I'm not saying the Emperor or Snoke were handled poorly. I'm observing that the Emperor was an even scarier Big Bad Guy than Darth Vader, the same way that Snoke was a BBG compared to Kylo Ren. I'm stating that the OT didn't explain the origins of everything ad nauseum, left it open to interpretation, and benefited from leaving things vague.

OK. I agree the OT benefited from that but I don't think that's the case here. If they put a line in there showing that Snoke knew that Kylo would kill him, to the point where he's fine whether he kills Rey or him, and it sort of does, I think it would have gone over better. There's been talk that Sith take over leadership by killing their masters but the movie doesn't recognize this much less mention it. If they had Snoke smile and say,"Good, good. Your training is complete" before he dies from the saber, it would have gone over MUCH BETTER for me. But as is, it's left far too open, far more so than the Emperor in the OT, to the point where it just gets a shrug from me and doesn't lead to anything truly interesting. That would also show to Snoke's guards not to fight them because Kylo is now the rightful heir to the throne, as he has killed his Sith master, but that wouldn't allow the wonderful fight crescendo scene. So  :idont I think there was potential there but they flubbed it and really, all they needed was the one line and they fucked even that up.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on January 14, 2018, 04:19:32 AM
I agree all that except the third one, Chrono. Come on. The emperor wasn't hanlded the best in the OT so that makes it okay to handle Snoke poorly in the sequal trilogy? It doesn't fly with me and just feel like an excuse.

I'm not saying the Emperor or Snoke were handled poorly. I'm observing that the Emperor was an even scarier Big Bad Guy than Darth Vader, the same way that Snoke was a BBG compared to Kylo Ren. I'm stating that the OT didn't explain the origins of everything ad nauseum, left it open to interpretation, and benefited from leaving things vague.

OK. I agree the OT benefited from that but I don't think that's the case here.

Cindi is right as always. During the OT, the situation is different. By the time the new trilogy rolls around, we have like 40-50 in-universe years of history, and considering that includes a period where the force was so rare that it was considered a myth, a figure like Snoke should have some sort of story about either his rise during the fall of the empire, or an explanation on just where the fuck he came from, if he’s from outside the OT conflict.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mandark on January 14, 2018, 04:40:52 AM
If they put a line in there showing that Snoke knew that Kylo would kill him, to the point where he's fine whether he kills Rey or him, and it sort of does, I think it would have gone over better. There's been talk that Sith take over leadership by killing their masters but the movie doesn't recognize this much less mention it. If they had Snoke smile and say,"Good, good. Your training is complete" before he dies from the saber, it would have gone over MUCH BETTER for me.

See, that just strikes me as being really fanfic-y.

But also the Sith lore (there are always only two of them and the master always gets killed by the apprentice) always bugged me and I think I'm in the minority there.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on January 14, 2018, 06:08:56 AM
Well, idk I'm not the screen writer. Something feels missing and it's what I've thought.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on January 14, 2018, 06:32:15 AM
according to the eu lore there wasn't always a rule of two, but all of that stuff is not canon now so lol and snoke didn't even identify as sith
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on January 14, 2018, 06:39:30 AM
Are the original Sith still a race n current lore?

Why does this seem so much like Jewish people  :larry
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: hungrynoob on January 14, 2018, 09:41:57 AM
Are the original Sith still a race n current lore?

Why does this seem so much like Jewish people  :larry

The political significance of star wars was allow people to recognise evil within a system that puts that system under threat or some shit, I remember reading about it awhile back, but it was revolving around american politics. There was even quotes from lucas himself.

Considering isreal own's america and trump, well...
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: paprikastaude on January 14, 2018, 10:15:10 AM
I didn't even know/recognize the term Sith until episode 3, because the OT was better than to overexplain good vs. evil fairytales.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on January 14, 2018, 10:17:38 AM
Are the original Sith still a race n current lore?

Why does this seem so much like Jewish people  :larry

The political significance of star wars was allow people to recognise evil within a system that puts that system under threat or some shit, I remember reading about it awhile back, but it was revolving around american politics. There was even quotes from lucas himself.

Considering isreal own's america and trump, well...

Uhhhhhhhhh you can't make this post without providing a link what the fuck
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: hungrynoob on January 14, 2018, 10:24:09 AM
The jewish part was a joke obv, but honestly it was ages ago, and i dont have time to find it now. You can wait 16 hours i will be back.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: paprikastaude on January 14, 2018, 03:23:33 PM
And Ewoks are a really stupid twist on Viet Minh warfare.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 14, 2018, 07:10:05 PM
OK. I agree the OT benefited from that but I don't think that's the case here. If they put a line in there showing that Snoke knew that Kylo would kill him, to the point where he's fine whether he kills Rey or him, and it sort of does, I think it would have gone over better. There's been talk that Sith take over leadership by killing their masters but the movie doesn't recognize this much less mention it. If they had Snoke smile and say,"Good, good. Your training is complete" before he dies from the saber, it would have gone over MUCH BETTER for me. But as is, it's left far too open, far more so than the Emperor in the OT, to the point where it just gets a shrug from me and doesn't lead to anything truly interesting. That would also show to Snoke's guards not to fight them because Kylo is now the rightful heir to the throne, as he has killed his Sith master, but that wouldn't allow the wonderful fight crescendo scene. So  :idont I think there was potential there but they flubbed it and really, all they needed was the one line and they fucked even that up.

Snoke is never stated to be a Sith, nor is Kylo. It's clear Kylo's emulating Darth Vader, and Supreme Leader Snoke is filling a similar role as Emperor Palpatine did for Vader, but the relationship is only Sith-like.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 14, 2018, 08:35:43 PM
IT RHYMES.

:lucas
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 14, 2018, 08:40:40 PM
OK. I agree the OT benefited from that but I don't think that's the case here. If they put a line in there showing that Snoke knew that Kylo would kill him, to the point where he's fine whether he kills Rey or him, and it sort of does, I think it would have gone over better. There's been talk that Sith take over leadership by killing their masters but the movie doesn't recognize this much less mention it. If they had Snoke smile and say,"Good, good. Your training is complete" before he dies from the saber, it would have gone over MUCH BETTER for me. But as is, it's left far too open, far more so than the Emperor in the OT, to the point where it just gets a shrug from me and doesn't lead to anything truly interesting. That would also show to Snoke's guards not to fight them because Kylo is now the rightful heir to the throne, as he has killed his Sith master, but that wouldn't allow the wonderful fight crescendo scene. So  :idont I think there was potential there but they flubbed it and really, all they needed was the one line and they fucked even that up.

Snoke is never stated to be a Sith, nor is Kylo. It's clear Kylo's emulating Darth Vader, and Supreme Leader Snoke is filling a similar role as Emperor Palpatine did for Vader, but the relationship is only Sith-like.

The Knights of Ren aren't Sith, some of them are very fine people.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on January 14, 2018, 08:42:39 PM
knights of ren were darkside ewoks
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on January 14, 2018, 09:04:58 PM
OK. I agree the OT benefited from that but I don't think that's the case here. If they put a line in there showing that Snoke knew that Kylo would kill him, to the point where he's fine whether he kills Rey or him, and it sort of does, I think it would have gone over better. There's been talk that Sith take over leadership by killing their masters but the movie doesn't recognize this much less mention it. If they had Snoke smile and say,"Good, good. Your training is complete" before he dies from the saber, it would have gone over MUCH BETTER for me. But as is, it's left far too open, far more so than the Emperor in the OT, to the point where it just gets a shrug from me and doesn't lead to anything truly interesting. That would also show to Snoke's guards not to fight them because Kylo is now the rightful heir to the throne, as he has killed his Sith master, but that wouldn't allow the wonderful fight crescendo scene. So  :idont I think there was potential there but they flubbed it and really, all they needed was the one line and they fucked even that up.

Snoke is never stated to be a Sith, nor is Kylo. It's clear Kylo's emulating Darth Vader, and Supreme Leader Snoke is filling a similar role as Emperor Palpatine did for Vader, but the relationship is only Sith-like.

Is this fan speculation? I don't remember if they said they were absolutely not Sith. Either way, they still deal in the dark side and have red lightsabers. To most SW fans that means Sith unless said otherwise. Did they say they weren't in either of the new movies?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on January 14, 2018, 11:35:06 PM
But for real, is the sith being a race still a thing? I forget which piece of star wars media brought that into lore.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on January 15, 2018, 04:36:51 AM
The Sith lore is dogshit. It's like Lucas never decided they were supposed to be warlocks or a secret society with political goals. It's the most brittle and weak succession process you could imagine ever in reality or in fiction.

That and the whole balance thing with the Jedi that was left so vague it was useless.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: zomgee on January 15, 2018, 08:18:24 AM
Who the fuck was the Emperor anyway?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSEuXZ0W0AAsH61.jpg)

Da Original THICC
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on January 15, 2018, 08:28:48 AM
Googled and none of the Korriban/Sith race stuff is canon, watch it come up as a separate JJ Abrams 'original' trilogy
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on January 15, 2018, 05:51:17 PM
Oh yeah, I watched 10mn of The Force Awakens before falling asleep (lol) because I was dead tired. Obviously a very limited judgement but I honestly was a bit aggravated by the direction. Felt like it was rehashing A New Hope with the only fresh added element being try hard / irrelevant angles (filming from the POV of stormtroopers in dropships like it is Saving Private Ryan :what). It's not hideous looking and cinematography was overall close to what I would expect from a Star Wars film.

Kailo Rain stopping the laser mid air was cool tho.

Maybe one day :yeshrug
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 15, 2018, 06:18:58 PM
https://youtu.be/I7I0xJNIxiE
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on January 16, 2018, 12:32:47 AM
And Ewoks are a really stupid twist on Viet Minh warfare.

It rules that George Lucas made a movie where the NLFSV are cute sentient ursine creatures and The Troops™™™ :american are stormtroopers.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 16, 2018, 01:00:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCwwVjPNloY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzO3DCW4LXw
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 16, 2018, 01:09:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzO3DCW4LXw

Quote
I cried a bit watching this, poor mark hamill now that hes aged having to watch his character and franchise he worked so hard on be destroyed in front of him

:neogaf
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 16, 2018, 08:19:42 PM
I empathize with Mark's plight, of watching something turn out differently than expected, and not a direction I'd wanted. "This is not going to go the way you think…"

And there have been times where I was wrong about it, it turned out fine, better than fine. It turned out great.

TLJ is one of those things. To his credit, he nailed the role he didn't want to play.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 16, 2018, 09:16:59 PM
Hamill is just as fanboy-ish as the rest of awful Star Wars fans.  He's bitched about the direction of the series since Empire.  I appreciate his position, but the direction of his character is EXACTLY what is in-line with how the series has portrayed him up to this date while still giving him the send-off he deserves.

I'm getting fucking tired of people bitching about Luke, Rey, and Kylo in this movie.  I know there's much out there as to WHY people don't like it; I just simply don't agree with them.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 16, 2018, 09:31:09 PM
The hardcore fanbase that seems to comprise fandom nowadays is the worse I've ever seen it. They've gone from I like this thing and hope it turns out well to, I have one very specific vision of this thing and if its not exactly like how I want it, then its complete shit and I'm never going to shut up about it.

It's not just Star Wars. It's just about everything.

There was always this side to fandom. But it feels increasingly tiresome nowadays. Or maybe I just increasingly find it tiresome to engage.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on January 16, 2018, 10:26:49 PM
The hardcore Paddington fanbaes have no complaints  :pimp :pimp
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on January 16, 2018, 10:57:59 PM
Pretty sure Mark is fine with the direction of the movie. He had his kids in the movie after all. But Mark knows the pulse of the more nerd centric part of the fanbase, being bit of a geek himself. I think he was trying to soften the blow, play PR, and prepare people for the different expectations, to curb a bad fan reaction to the movie like the one we saw at release. I believe he has said he had to be sold on the vision of TLJ's Luke and eventually came to accept it. He was just trying to act as a sort of mediator between fanbase and creator here to help some fans come to terms with the movies differences more than he was actually criticizing the movie. Notice that in his talks he talks of it in a past tense. "I disagree with everything about my character" He's telling Rian that in a past tense as if that was his initial reaction, which changed - with time.

A very important distinction to make I think.

And to be frank, I think the stuff TakingBackSunday posted sounded just as fanboy-ish as the other stuff he's talking about, except on the flip side. So there's that. :idont Like this idea that anyone who doesn't like the direction of Luke is nothing but a fanboy (GENDER ERASURE!!!! spoiler: :lol) is ridiculous and I say this as someone who enjoyed every single bit of Luke in that movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on January 16, 2018, 11:23:44 PM
If all that's left is commentary on each other's opinions then maybe it's time to say fuck it, wax on, wax off. This film wasnt exactly citizen cane and does nothing for film itself that can be discussed further than 'neat' nor will it's influence be felt outside the star wars fandom.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on January 16, 2018, 11:25:58 PM
Agreed. I forgot I even saw the movie except when I see this thread. It's another forgettable modern Blockbuster. :idont
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mandark on January 17, 2018, 12:03:56 AM
I forgot I even saw the movie

Girl you've got like a thousands posts in this thread.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 17, 2018, 12:47:36 AM
I forgot I even saw the movie

Girl you've got like a thousands posts in this thread.

 :lol

Cindi, you know you've got it wrong when Mandark is calling someone out and it's not even the politics thread.



https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/953107873487208448
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on January 17, 2018, 01:14:49 AM
I forgot I even saw the movie

Girl you've got like a thousands posts in this thread.

Like I said, only when I see this thread. I don't see how that's hard to comprehend. I forget the movie exists then I see this thread and I'm reminded of TLJ's existence. :idont
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 17, 2018, 02:08:14 AM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://i.imgur.com/wwtQ2U5.jpg)
[close]
:nsfw
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on January 17, 2018, 02:42:24 AM
To those that didn't like Luke's characterization, how would you have liked the character handled (within the framework established by TFA)?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 17, 2018, 02:55:49 AM
On a side note, I'm slowly making my way through the audiobook versions of these.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Thrawn_Trilogy

I've never been remotely interested in Star Wars EU stuff but the annual release schedule of these star war films does make me more interested in Star Wars in general for about a month. Generally, I satiate that hunger by watching various prequel fan edit versions of the films like an insane person but this year decided to try something different instead. I guess, I'll post my thoughts on them as I finish each book.

Finished up the first of these Heir to the Empire.

It's an interesting exercise to read/listen to this stuff. Partially because I find myself doing a thought process of wondering if the material would work as a movie. My brain says no. That this book works effectively as a piece of EU content in book form, but probably wouldn't work as well as filmed material. I have specific reasons for thinking that but then again I wonder if I read a novelized version of New Hope without ever having seen a film version would I think, yeah that's a fun book but its hard to imagine that as a movie.

Either way, I think its a fun enough read. It's sort of fun to get into the thoughts of Star Wars characters which you really can't do in a movie. It fleshes them out in a way that a book can that a movie can't.

Thrawn himself seems like a good villain and less insane than the emperor or vader. Joruus C'baothn seems more in line with being a typical evil bad guy as seen in the movie.

All the additions are basically sort of the idea that this stuff was all around during the OG trilogy but never mentioned or focused on. Which is fine. Although I have a feeling if it was a movie nerds would nitpick the shit out of that. Not that it bothers me.

So it seems like good material for people who are already fans of Star Wars which is who its aimed it. Already started the next one. I basically listen to it at night in bed until I fall asleep.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 17, 2018, 03:06:47 AM
To those that didn't like Luke's characterization, how would you have liked the character handled (within the framework established by TFA)?

From what I've seen it boils down to a few things that keep getting repeated from people who have that position.

1.) NO JOKES. Luke should be serious bizness
2.) Luke would never go so far as to pull out his blade on sleeping Kylo Ren.
3.) Luke would begrudgingly train Rey and/or go help her kill Snoke.
4.) Luke would have done some bad ass killing showing he is the most powerful jedi and then nobly get killed at the end instead of astral projecting himself and dying quietly by himself.

Note that none of this is necessarily my opinion. Just what I see get posted by people who have this position in every single thread on every forum that isn't this one.
 
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on January 17, 2018, 04:07:54 AM
To those that didn't like Luke's characterization, how would you have liked the character handled (within the framework established by TFA)?

From what I've seen it boils down to a few things that keep getting repeated from people who have that position.

1.) NO JOKES. Luke should be serious bizness
2.) Luke would never go so far as to pull out his blade on sleeping Kylo Ren.
3.) Luke would begrudgingly train Rey and/or go help her kill Snoke.
4.) Luke would have done some bad ass killing showing he is the most powerful jedi and then nobly get killed at the end instead of astral projecting himself and dying quietly by himself.

Note that none of this is necessarily my opinion. Just what I see get posted by people who have this position in every single thread on every forum that isn't this one.

Well thanks for answering. I know those aren't your opinions, but nunber 4 is silly fan service wish fulfilment stuff that is similar to yoda doing kung fu flips in the prequels, and 2 was something I very much enjoyed about the film. I mean, to be apalled at the notion is to believe that Luke is some infallible hero. But the backstory hinted at in TFA already presupposes that Luke failed.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 17, 2018, 04:18:10 AM
Personally I was fine with nearly all the luke stuff.

I thought the astral projection thing was a little odd. But that's mainly because I wasn't a huge fan in general of them being trapped in a cave and moving some rocks at the end of the movie to get out of it. Him buying time essentially yanking their chain isn't the most thrilling thing in the world to me.

But in the context of if that's the plotline you are doing no matter what then the force projection thing in that context works fine.

I think him not really training Rey is one of those cases of good subversion of expectations. I'm not saying it would have been bad if they had done it but its one of those things that's so expected that I found it to be welcome and kept me on my toes.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on January 17, 2018, 04:21:58 AM
It's obvious that Cindi doesn't care about the movie,  I mean with several 100% more posts about tlj than most people have made in this entire thread I mean, how could it not be obvious?!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on January 17, 2018, 04:21:59 AM
The astral projection stuff was used by Yoga flame in the clone wars already so it's old canon, iirc using hyperdrive jump as a weapon is too and the bit with the rocks and the animals leading them through a cave is lifted directly off the last 2 part episode of Rebels.

Speaking of people's expectations, I think they generally wanted this for Rey and Luke (i cant give a fuck)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeD_wWytX1E
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 17, 2018, 04:28:33 AM
Somehow, the first time I saw that REBELS scene, I missed out on how it's a dad and son playing baseball in the front yard, in addition to being Jedi training.
:uguu
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 17, 2018, 04:29:01 AM
The astral projection stuff was used by Yoga flame in the clone wars already so it's old canon, iirc using hyperdrive jump as a weapon is too and the bit with the rocks and the animals leading them through a cave is lifted directly off the last 2 part episode of Rebels.

My issue with the astral projection wasn't canon. I don't really care about canon in that way. It was more that it was just kind of meh to me after the initial interesting surprise wore off. I was just kind of like that is what saved them? Really?

They can't catch up to them with all those vehicles or fly over the mountain to the other side?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on January 17, 2018, 04:34:19 AM
I thought the astral projection thing was cool, but kind of a gimmick. But then again, Luke showing up in person and having this grand stand off with Kylo would have been even dumber.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on January 17, 2018, 04:35:21 AM
The Empire (or whatever they were called) were written as complete idiots for whatever reason, that broke a lot of the film because every 5 mins i was sitting there going 'why dont they just x'.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on January 17, 2018, 04:36:07 AM
The astral projection stuff was used by Yoga flame in the clone wars already so it's old canon, iirc using hyperdrive jump as a weapon is too and the bit with the rocks and the animals leading them through a cave is lifted directly off the last 2 part episode of Rebels.

My issue with the astral projection wasn't canon. I don't really care about canon in that way. It was more that it was just kind of meh to me after the initial interesting surprise wore off. I was just kind of like that is what saved them? Really?

They can't catch up to them with all those vehicles or fly over the mountain to the other side?

The Empire (or whatever they were called) were written as complete idiots for whatever reason, that broke a lot of the film because every 5 mins i was sitting there going 'why dont they just x'.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on January 17, 2018, 04:39:22 AM
So is the resistance tbh. Why didn't the admiral lady just tell a droid to ram the ship into the new order ship, why did she have to die
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on January 17, 2018, 04:41:10 AM
Because Rian Johnson thinks all of you Star Wars fans are morons and he treated you so lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on January 17, 2018, 04:46:17 AM
 :morans :lucas
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on January 17, 2018, 04:48:46 AM
Because Rian Johnson thinks all of you Star Wars fans are morons and he treated you so lol
Was he wrong? :trumps
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on January 17, 2018, 04:51:37 AM
Because Rian Johnson thinks all of you Star Wars fans are morons and he treated you so lol
Was he wrong? :trumps

all I know for sure is that Cindi don't curr about this movie
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mandark on January 17, 2018, 06:48:11 AM
They can't catch up to them with all those vehicles or fly over the mountain to the other side?

Don't start thinking like that, or you'll start wondering why they landed on the planet and basically used siege engines rather than aerial bombardment.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on January 17, 2018, 08:12:03 AM
The issue for me is I'm a film fan first and not even close to what you would describe as a star wars fan, so those kinda things stood out for me, instead of being hidden behind a flashing light show of light sabers, red salt, marvel jokes and Luke Skywalker, yes I can turn my brain off and enjoy action adventures, this just wasnt getting anywhere close to motivating me to do so. Pretty effects in places though, will give it that.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 17, 2018, 08:55:01 AM
OMG, just dawned on me that the entire battleground on Crait was fought on the symbolic salt of fanboy tears.

They can't catch up to them with all those vehicles or fly over the mountain to the other side?

Don't start thinking like that, or you'll start wondering why they landed on the planet and basically used siege engines rather than aerial bombardment.
There's a throwaway line in there that specifically talks about it, but I can't recall offhand what it was.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on January 17, 2018, 08:58:11 AM
I don't think Rian Johnson was at all subtle with his disdain for Star Wars fans :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on January 17, 2018, 12:44:37 PM
I know that the steady stream of uncritical puff pieces about actually existing American fascists lately in U.S. papers of record like the New York Times may have lead people to believe that fascists are wily geniuses who operate 8 steps ahead of everyone else, but the Nazis invaded the Soviet Union in the middle of the summer with an army that was only 20% mechanized at its very peak.

If the terminal stupidity of the First Order broke your suspension of disbelief in another entry of a long running space opera series you could probably stand to read more about how terminally stupid actually existing fascists were and are.

e: If you think this is out of left field, the First Order is very unsubtly based on ODESSA.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on January 17, 2018, 01:31:02 PM
The Bee Gee's album?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 17, 2018, 01:33:42 PM
There's a throwaway line in there that specifically talks about it, but I can't recall offhand what it was.

When they're getting out all the old equipment there's a line about how they've got the base's shields raised. It's pretty much the same as in the Battle of Hoth in Empire, the base was shielded against aerial bombardment, but ground units weren't effected by it [for whatever reason].
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on January 17, 2018, 06:59:55 PM
Can we get a Cindi post count for this thread?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 17, 2018, 07:44:05 PM
Did Last Jedi leak yet?
A friend was downloading it on day two, so it's been out for a bit.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on January 17, 2018, 07:59:01 PM
Don’t waste your time. Watch something good like Czech Xtreme #02 Play Fisty for Me.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 18, 2018, 02:04:00 AM
Did Last Jedi leak yet?
A friend was downloading it on day two, so it's been out for a bit.

Not talking about cams, breh.

Ah. Does that even happen? Movies getting leaked before their source is available to consumers?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on January 18, 2018, 01:38:28 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTxP6a9WAAAk1bX.jpg:large)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: zomgee on January 18, 2018, 01:45:49 PM
There are potentially hundreds of those.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: CatsCatsCats on January 18, 2018, 02:03:22 PM
Sometimes. Mostly during screener season. But TFA and now TLJ somehow averted this.

Sometimes a studio puts out an R5 early that gets put up real quick, too
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 18, 2018, 02:05:45 PM
https://io9.gizmodo.com/report-heres-what-lukes-third-lesson-to-rey-in-the-las-1821467308

Ah finally an explanation of that teaser scene I wanted to see. Neat. Hope to see it on the BR.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 18, 2018, 08:05:40 PM
https://io9.gizmodo.com/report-heres-what-lukes-third-lesson-to-rey-in-the-las-1821467308

Ah finally an explanation of that teaser scene I wanted to see. Neat. Hope to see it on the BR.

Oh, man, I hope they include a whole bunch. That scene sounds good. I also like the parallel between Luke on Dagobah being warned not to go, and Rey doing the same thing on Ach-To or whatsit.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 18, 2018, 08:41:16 PM
It sounds like there were a number of cut scenes that were actually pretty good, but they just didn't have any space for them with everything else that the movie did.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 18, 2018, 11:18:32 PM
It sounds like there were a number of cut scenes that were actually pretty good, but they just didn't have any space for them with everything else that the movie did.

Deleted scenes from the Prequels were a lot less well organized:
https://imgur.com/gallery/SNXeF
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: etiolate on January 19, 2018, 12:03:37 AM
That sounds like a useful scene. Someone is going to make a fan cut with the Rose storyline removed and the deleted scenes put back in.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on January 19, 2018, 09:08:07 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wb1O3mU79g
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: zomgee on January 19, 2018, 09:47:03 AM
What an odd channel.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 19, 2018, 12:13:23 PM
Death Star engineers: smart enough to design the ultimate space weapon, but not smart enough to correct design flaws/security measures once they knew the plans were stolen.

Maybe the problem was still in committee.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 19, 2018, 01:40:44 PM
To be fair that sorta describes the state of computer security today.

Who knows about how many backdoors and zero days the NSA are hoarding.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 19, 2018, 02:04:07 PM
Death Star engineers: smart enough to design the ultimate space weapon, but not smart enough to correct design flaws/security measures once they knew the plans were stolen.

Maybe the problem was still in committee.

The time frame from the theft of the plans to the assault on Yavin IV was only a few days, and I think everyone on the Imperial side who knew there was a fatal flaw ended up getting killed.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on January 19, 2018, 02:27:33 PM
https://twitter.com/ChariotDaGawd/status/953777950842814470
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Boredfrom on January 19, 2018, 02:37:52 PM
Because Rian Johnson thinks all of you Star Wars fans are morons and he treated you so lol
Was he wrong? :trumps

Well, he considers a big SW fan that is discussing in the playground and using EU books to justify plot holes.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 19, 2018, 06:02:30 PM
Death Star engineers: smart enough to design the ultimate space weapon, but not smart enough to correct design flaws/security measures once they knew the plans were stolen.

Maybe the problem was still in committee.

The time frame from the theft of the plans to the assault on Yavin IV was only a few days, and I think everyone on the Imperial side who knew there was a fatal flaw ended up getting killed.

It's like two days or something, from A New Hope's start to its finish. Unless the Sandcrawler takes a heap of time from picking up the droids to arriving at Owen's place. Anywho, it's brisk.

In ROGUE ONE, it's eventually clear that Scarif has a security problem, and once Krennic arrives it's known that data has been sent from the Imperial base, but it's not inherently clear if the Imperials know what data was stolen.

Even if they /do/ find that it's the Death Star's plans, it's possible that the Imperials want to show it to any planets that are wavering on aligning with the Rebels, pushing them to join.

Imperials are so overconfident with their new toy, it's likely they don't suspect that there is a flaw. I mean, Krennic does, but Erso was "his hire," so he's not going to advertise that with Tarkin trying to push his shit in all the time.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 19, 2018, 06:09:20 PM
The hardcore fanbase that seems to comprise fandom nowadays is the worse I've ever seen it. They've gone from I like this thing and hope it turns out well to, I have one very specific vision of this thing and if its not exactly like how I want it, then its complete shit and I'm never going to shut up about it.

It's not just Star Wars. It's just about everything.

There was always this side to fandom. But it feels increasingly tiresome nowadays. Or maybe I just increasingly find it tiresome to engage.

I was a pretty hardcore Star Wars fan in the 90s, but I don't remember it being like this.

I've got lots of stuff that I really like, but I stay away from fandom. It's just too much.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 19, 2018, 06:20:37 PM
The hardcore fanbase that seems to comprise fandom nowadays is the worse I've ever seen it. They've gone from I like this thing and hope it turns out well to, I have one very specific vision of this thing and if its not exactly like how I want it, then its complete shit and I'm never going to shut up about it.

It's not just Star Wars. It's just about everything.

There was always this side to fandom. But it feels increasingly tiresome nowadays. Or maybe I just increasingly find it tiresome to engage.

I was a pretty hardcore Star Wars fan in the 90s, but I don't remember it being like this.

I've got lots of stuff that I really like, but I stay away from fandom. It's just too much.

It's obsessive behavior.

I remember being so excited as a young nerd whenever I found people who liked the same stuff I did. Now it's so easy to connect with people on the internet, find people with those same interests… 

…actually, let's change that to "opinions." We can find people who share the same opinions, so it is a short step from THAT to thinking, "We are all CORRECT" instead of "We all share the same OPINION."
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: hungrynoob on January 19, 2018, 06:23:50 PM
You can call it whatever you want but i will always curse bungie and microsoft to damnation for murdering the fuck out of Halo.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: etiolate on January 19, 2018, 06:51:31 PM
Nerds always had opinions and ideas. You can just read all of them now thanks to social media.

Also, as I stated earlier in here (I think), the longer a fictional world exists, the more information flows into it and the closer it gets to having rules.

On the flip side, if you create a brand new fictional world then you can set up nearly every idea you have into it because it's a blank state with less rules established. The problem is that we have too many people trying to crawl into established works created by others to put in their own ideas that care less/don't understand the rules and connection of that fictional world.

Stop jumping on old works and create your own thing. I do not appreciate all this hijacked fiction that tends to bubble out of the fanfic world.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 19, 2018, 07:04:56 PM
The hardcore fanbase that seems to comprise fandom nowadays is the worse I've ever seen it. They've gone from I like this thing and hope it turns out well to, I have one very specific vision of this thing and if its not exactly like how I want it, then its complete shit and I'm never going to shut up about it.

It's not just Star Wars. It's just about everything.

There was always this side to fandom. But it feels increasingly tiresome nowadays. Or maybe I just increasingly find it tiresome to engage.

I was a pretty hardcore Star Wars fan in the 90s, but I don't remember it being like this.

I've got lots of stuff that I really like, but I stay away from fandom. It's just too much.

It's obsessive behavior.

I remember being so excited as a young nerd whenever I found people who liked the same stuff I did. Now it's so easy to connect with people on the internet, find people with those same interests…

…actually, let's change that to "opinions." We can find people who share the same opinions, so it is a short step from THAT to thinking, "We are all CORRECT" instead of "We all share the same OPINION."

Pre-internet world it was slightly harder for fandoms to groupthink around things and sort of codify a solid wall of opinion. I remember when you use to meet nerds in the past and share opinions on things, it was a surprise and interesting experience to get their take. They liked some things I hated and hated some things I really liked.

Post internet and especially in our modern social medium age fandom groupthink is established almost immediately. Within a week of something happening there is a default opinion fandom has settled on. This will occasionally change if some important nerd or media figure weighs in and is able to form a strong argument to shift opinion down the road but generally speaking opinions feel much more monolithic in a much shorter amount of time than they ever have in the past.

This isn't just contained to nerdom circles.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on January 20, 2018, 04:57:17 AM
Yeah though the pretense of being "underground" always sounded overblown, it used to be that the social spots were much more local and you didn't exactly had the choice of what crowd you mingled with. "Nerd" or "Geek" forums tend to fall under the banner of the lowest common denominator, and whoever appointed himself the savvy [insert your most hated billion dollar franchise] academic  may seem to tower discussion when really quite a few of the people are only there for animu loli games / nunsploitation / nigerian films / straight edge nu doom / crime novels.

Turns out that in internet discussion market of ideas it goes as with all other markets : monopolies are bad.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 20, 2018, 03:12:32 PM
The hardcore fanbase that seems to comprise fandom nowadays is the worse I've ever seen it. They've gone from I like this thing and hope it turns out well to, I have one very specific vision of this thing and if its not exactly like how I want it, then its complete shit and I'm never going to shut up about it.

It's not just Star Wars. It's just about everything.

There was always this side to fandom. But it feels increasingly tiresome nowadays. Or maybe I just increasingly find it tiresome to engage.

I was a pretty hardcore Star Wars fan in the 90s, but I don't remember it being like this.

I've got lots of stuff that I really like, but I stay away from fandom. It's just too much.

It's obsessive behavior.

I remember being so excited as a young nerd whenever I found people who liked the same stuff I did. Now it's so easy to connect with people on the internet, find people with those same interests…

…actually, let's change that to "opinions." We can find people who share the same opinions, so it is a short step from THAT to thinking, "We are all CORRECT" instead of "We all share the same OPINION."

I was all over Usenet in the early 90s (and not just Star Wars, I was on alt.music.smash-pumpkins and a bunch of video game related groups as well) and then moved on to TheForce.net around the time the Special Editions came out. I'm sure it was there but I still don't remember things being like they are now. Guess I'm just getting old.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 20, 2018, 08:26:24 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ZroCfWU.jpg)

 :o
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Rufus on January 21, 2018, 07:12:24 AM
Alternatively, make more of it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 28, 2018, 03:18:34 PM
https://twitter.com/rachlikesbands/status/955869025778765826
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 28, 2018, 03:25:00 PM
https://twitter.com/rachlikesbands/status/956712177305518080

https://twitter.com/DNMERON/status/956996853119188993

https://twitter.com/rachlikesbands/status/957034191383945217

https://twitter.com/rachlikesbands/status/957043324820623360

Last two are particularly well done. :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on January 28, 2018, 06:31:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCwwVjPNloY

(https://i.imgur.com/hbyXqyc.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 29, 2018, 04:44:14 AM
Reading Chuck Wendig's "AFTERMATH" book 1 — I can see why it's divisive. I have trouble understanding who's saying what, and where they are, and when it is in the timeline. I've also got a 38ºc fever, but a fucking Star Wars book should not be hard to understand.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 29, 2018, 08:48:44 AM
The hardcore fanbase that seems to comprise fandom nowadays is the worse I've ever seen it. They've gone from I like this thing and hope it turns out well to, I have one very specific vision of this thing and if its not exactly like how I want it, then its complete shit and I'm never going to shut up about it.

It's not just Star Wars. It's just about everything.

There was always this side to fandom. But it feels increasingly tiresome nowadays. Or maybe I just increasingly find it tiresome to engage.

I was a pretty hardcore Star Wars fan in the 90s, but I don't remember it being like this.

I've got lots of stuff that I really like, but I stay away from fandom. It's just too much.

It's obsessive behavior.

I remember being so excited as a young nerd whenever I found people who liked the same stuff I did. Now it's so easy to connect with people on the internet, find people with those same interests…

…actually, let's change that to "opinions." We can find people who share the same opinions, so it is a short step from THAT to thinking, "We are all CORRECT" instead of "We all share the same OPINION."

Very good point, also why social media and the internet are polarizing our world.

Take away easy access to people with similar opinions and you will try to find common ground with people around you.

Think back to high school, your best friends were like minded, but not carbon copies of your exact opinions.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on January 29, 2018, 08:51:09 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCwwVjPNloY

(https://i.imgur.com/hbyXqyc.gif)

I want to see that body of his!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 29, 2018, 08:56:35 AM
Wow he is more then a body you know
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on January 29, 2018, 09:11:20 AM
let the past die.
Kinda the opposite for me, only time I'll get interested in Star Wars again is deep in the past like Old Republic times and the birth of the Sith kinda stuff.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Dennis on January 29, 2018, 10:35:12 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCwwVjPNloY

(https://i.imgur.com/hbyXqyc.gif)

I want to see that body of his!

Problematic.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on January 29, 2018, 03:55:15 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/7tsdfr/30_second_star_wars_rebels_tv_spot_720p/

30 second rebels teaser :hyper
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on January 29, 2018, 03:56:49 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/RaSaUOr.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on January 29, 2018, 06:44:57 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/RaSaUOr.jpg)
:derp
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on February 04, 2018, 09:01:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Szts88zY4o
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on February 04, 2018, 09:15:06 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Szts88zY4o

I thought this was like, a licensed car or Doritos ad or something (like the Goldblum JW/Jeep ad.)

Looks absolutely terrible. Probably the first SW movie I miss in theaters since Attack of the Clones.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on February 04, 2018, 09:15:16 PM
wrong thread
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on February 04, 2018, 09:16:03 PM
Hahahaha Star Wars’ shitty spiral continues.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 05, 2018, 12:41:10 AM
Shitty spiral?

Last two mainline movies were great
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 05, 2018, 12:47:26 AM
Shitty spiral?

Last two mainline movies were great

And the most recent three were better than the previous three.

But Solo will probably still end up being garbage, though, given all the behind-the-scenes nonsense.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on February 05, 2018, 12:49:59 AM
Shitty spiral?

Last two mainline movies were great

Rogue one sucked, last Jedi was bad, and Solo looks awful. :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 05, 2018, 12:52:59 AM
Rogue One was fine, Last Jedi was really good, Solo will probably be bad but whatever. :yeshrug
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 05, 2018, 12:57:41 AM
Your view is too nuanced for 2010-2018, things are either SHIT and getting worse, or THE BEST and getting better.

None of this fine, great, probably

Also as we have the prequel trilogy as a benchmark one would really have to twist their minds to claim SW was not on a upwards trajectory from that
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on February 05, 2018, 01:06:13 AM
Your view is too nuanced for 2010-2018, things are either SHIT and getting worse, or THE BEST and getting better.


:lol

Overly defensive, huh?

I think TFA is a pretty good movie. Not great, and nothing special. But it’s pretty good and enjoyable. Using “there are only extreme opinions in our society now!” is a horrific defense. People have their own opinions and I think the last two Star Wars movies released are bad.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 05, 2018, 01:11:57 AM
Its ok friend we can agree to disagree and laugh at the Solo movie together soon, lets build bridges not burn them  :-*
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on February 05, 2018, 01:16:26 AM
Rogue One was garbage apart from 5 minutes of fan service at the end.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on February 05, 2018, 01:20:33 AM
The fan service was garbage to me actually.

“Don’t you guys want to see badass Darth Vader?!” :lol

And the ending shot of CG Leia...You can practically hear a narrator go,”next time on Star Wars!” as it transitions to the credits. :lol So bad.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on February 05, 2018, 01:24:57 AM
The fan service was garbage to me actually.

“Don’t you guys want to see badass Darth Vader?!” :lol


I was watching a shitty movie and an unexpected moment of seeing Vader as the in-world badass he is came up, i was like 'neat'. We never really get to see Vader as a badass savage through-out the originals, mostly just him toying with Luke and standing around looking constipated  :idont
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on February 05, 2018, 01:29:03 AM
I'm looking forward to it. It's more Star Wars to continue washing the Prequel movie aftertaste away.

Danny Glover is going to be Mr. Steal Your Girlrissian. F

inally doing something fun with the "12 parsec" Kessel Run will be charming.

Hell, just making up for the lame-ass Solo parts in RotJ, after he'd been turned into a big dumb joke, will be great to see him charm, cheat, and shoot his way out of problems.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on February 05, 2018, 01:36:48 AM
The fan service was garbage to me actually.

“Don’t you guys want to see badass Darth Vader?!” :lol


I was watching a shitty movie and an unexpected moment of seeing Vader as the in-world badass he is came up, i was like 'neat'. We never really get to see Vader as a badass savage through-out the originals, mostly just him toying with Luke and standing around looking constipated  :idont

True. I don’t blame anyone for liking the scene, I just thought the hot potato element where they pass the info to the next person before being horrifically murdered was too cheesy. I was actually chuckling at how bad it was watching a bunch of rebels play catch with the data. :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on February 05, 2018, 01:42:15 AM
https://youtu.be/wxL8bVJhXCM

“Hope.”

Do you get the reference? The next movie in the timeline is called A New HOPE. Did you see how they artistically and  SUBTLY (:lol) gave the nod to ANH? So creative. It’s poetry, it rhymes.

:rofl
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 05, 2018, 02:05:00 AM
Well you know Rembrandt was just a commission painter too
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on February 05, 2018, 02:45:35 AM
I should take a break from this thread. So much fucking negativity.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 05, 2018, 02:50:45 AM
Naaah man I will totally go to the cinema to see Solo  8)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on February 05, 2018, 02:54:02 AM
chewbacca groan at the end sold me
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on February 05, 2018, 02:55:31 AM
I should take a break from this thread. So much fucking negativity.
spin off a rebels thread and i'll be positive 99% of the time
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 05, 2018, 03:21:50 AM
I should take a break from this thread. So much fucking negativity.

Personally I have no preconceived notions about the movie (outside of the fact that I'm tired of them re-treading pieces of the universe that don't especially need a backstory)

I know the movie has been a bit of a disaster via directors and reshoots and such but coming into it I don't have any particular hate for the movie. My bar is it couldn't be any worse than Rogue One which would honestly surprise me.

I just think you are starting to see hardcore types burning out on Star Wars with this yearly cycle. Even though many hardcore people don't seem to mind this pace of churn from those marvel movies.

I'd still rather watch Han Solo movie more than Age of Ultron Infinity War Civil War Apocolpyse 27.

This one better be at least fun rather than whatever Rogue One was going for.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on February 05, 2018, 06:30:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Szts88zY4o
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/331/294/96e.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on February 05, 2018, 08:30:05 AM
I thought the trailer looked cool
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on February 05, 2018, 08:48:38 AM
I should take a break from this thread. So much fucking negativity.

Sorry we're not sucking corporate cock as much as you want. Will reprogram to better lick Kathleen Kennedy's taint in the future. I forgot that we owe international conglomerate Disney our undying love and affection and that we shouldn't have our own opinions.

I FUCKING LOVE STAR WARS
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on February 05, 2018, 08:51:32 AM
Also if this is some rollicking space romp, why is it using Rogue One's ultra desaturated color pallet? Is that just what SW looks like now? Though even RO had color in the tropical planet.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on February 05, 2018, 08:53:13 AM
Space operas are my opium and Didney is the only drug dealer in town. :noah
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 05, 2018, 09:04:37 AM
I'm going to watch the movie without prejudging it, because I can see how you can make it good (using Solo as a portal into the seedy underbelly of that world and introducing new characters).

But if it's just going to be a bunch of fan-service ("Remember!?!") scenes, I will hate it even more.


Also, I feel like Chris Pratt in Guardians is the modern Han Solo and it will be hard to watch this and not wish I was watching him instead.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 05, 2018, 11:31:38 AM
The trailer was better than I was expecting it to be. [shrug]
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on February 05, 2018, 11:38:06 AM
In an ideal world this movie wouldn't have all this over the top action. Like watch as we FIGHT ON TOP OF A ROTATING TRAIN! Or FLYING THE FALCON THROUGH A NEBULA WITH A WEIRD CTHULU MONSTER. i dunno, it's not what i think of when I think of a Han Solo story.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: paprikastaude on February 05, 2018, 11:42:23 AM
Han Solo = Harrison Ford being Harrison Ford
Anything else =/= Han Solo
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on February 05, 2018, 12:09:12 PM
I like what I’m seeing so far.  :idont
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: kingv on February 05, 2018, 12:35:53 PM
I liked the trailer ok, but from what I can see, neither Donald Glover or the peckerwood playing Han Solo really nailed their parts.

Han Solo just seems like a different dude, and Lando doesn’t seem to be acting like a smooth colt 45 drinking motherfucker.

Donald Glover basically has the look down, but maybe he couldn’t afford a perm in his 20s
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 05, 2018, 12:37:40 PM
I should take a break from this thread. So much fucking negativity.

Sorry we're not sucking corporate cock as much as you want. Will reprogram to better lick Kathleen Kennedy's taint in the future. I forgot that we owe international conglomerate Disney our undying love and affection and that we shouldn't have our own opinions.

I FUCKING LOVE STAR WARS

We don't want you to suck Disney's cock, just stop sucking your own.

The last three SW movies have at least been good enough to not merit complete derision. Full stop.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 05, 2018, 12:42:47 PM
Here's the full teaser:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNW0B0HsvVs
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on February 05, 2018, 12:49:09 PM
I should take a break from this thread. So much fucking negativity.

Sorry we're not sucking corporate cock as much as you want. Will reprogram to better lick Kathleen Kennedy's taint in the future. I forgot that we owe international conglomerate Disney our undying love and affection and that we shouldn't have our own opinions.

I FUCKING LOVE STAR WARS

We don't want you to suck Disney's cock, just stop sucking your own.

The last three SW movies have at least been good enough to not merit complete derision. Full stop.

I'll suck whatever cocks I want. :ufup

I'm not deriding anything or basing my opinion of the trailer on the other movies. I think the trailer looks like shit and I'm basing my expectations for the movie on that.

You know how I know this movie's gonna blow chunks?

(https://i.imgur.com/pwFMIy7.png)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on February 05, 2018, 01:04:58 PM

I mean, sure she's terrible, but don't forget the guy playing Han is so shitty they hired an acting coach for him in the middle of shooting. But it's not gonna be trash because of bad casting or shitty acting - it's not like the OG Star Wars are beloved for the tour-de-force performances on display. It's gonna be trash cuz it's a superfluous prequel that has no justification to exist outside of being a cynical cashgrab that had it's directors fired in the middle of it and basically had to be reshot.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on February 05, 2018, 01:26:17 PM
The Han guy is probably going to be way worse than eyebrow queen, the writing will be the real (dying) star of the show though lol 
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on February 05, 2018, 01:47:37 PM
Honestly, in a weird way I'm actually looking forward to this one way more than I have the other three. I'd be interested in any big budget movie that's been as plagued by production issues as much as this, but the fact that the latest installment literally the biggest film franchise on the planet has had such a fucked-up time coming to fruition is kind of intriguing. It looks like they haven't completely scrubbed the humor from it post-Lord and Miller, so even if/when it blows, at least it won't be some dour, portentous snoozefest like Rogue One.

Sidenote: Rogue One was absolutely bad enough to justify any skepticism and derision of future SW trailers. What a sterile, self-serious movie that completely missed the point of the franchise it was in. A bunch of war and almost no stars. That movie is a fuckin' bummer.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 05, 2018, 02:34:46 PM
Full Trailer Released

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg_FoEy8T_A
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on February 05, 2018, 02:46:31 PM
Honestly that's the definitive version of the song for me. I don't even remember the original lyrics.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 05, 2018, 06:02:22 PM
I think at this point I'm going to see it 3-4 times just to piss off Cindi and Tasty, and post an Armond White-esque review of why it's better than Rashomon
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on February 05, 2018, 06:03:09 PM
I think at this point I'm going to see it 3-4 times just to piss off Cindi and Tasty, and post an Armond White-esque review of why it's better than Rashomon

Lol I've never given a shit about anything you've done, why would that change now? :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 05, 2018, 06:08:58 PM
I think at this point I'm going to see it 3-4 times just to piss off Cindi and Tasty, and post an Armond White-esque review of why it's better than Rashomon

Lol I've never given a shit about anything you've done, why would that change now? :lol

Keep telling yourself that sweetie  :-*
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on February 05, 2018, 06:14:43 PM
It's like saying I'm gonna see Infinity War three times in theaters to trigger you. Just weaksauce breh.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: fistfulofmetal on February 05, 2018, 06:48:49 PM
imma go see infinity war once in theaters and im not even gonna pay for it 8)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 05, 2018, 07:08:18 PM
imma go see infinity war once in theaters and im not even gonna pay for it 8)

:badass
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on February 05, 2018, 07:16:40 PM
A bunch of hardened cynics itt
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on February 05, 2018, 07:20:59 PM
Get mocked for not being excited for the next Star Wars piece of shit

Get mocked for being excited for the next Marvel piece of shit

Whomever loses, Disney wins

:idont
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: zomgee on February 05, 2018, 07:29:42 PM
Get mocked for not being excited for the next Star Wars piece of shit

Get mocked for being excited for the next Marvel piece of shit

Whomever loses, Disney wins

:idont

This deal is getting worse all the time
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on February 05, 2018, 08:58:04 PM
I think at this point I'm going to see it 3-4 times just to piss off Cindi and Tasty, and post an Armond White-esque review of why it's better than Rashomon

How daaaaaaare
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on February 05, 2018, 09:16:45 PM
The Han guy is probably going to be way worse than eyebrow queen, the writing will be the real (dying) star of the show though lol 

Alden Ehrenreich is a really good actor! That said, I’m not sold on him as Han. I’d think if he got the job, he showed them something good.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mandark on February 05, 2018, 09:24:01 PM
I think at this point I'm going to see it 3-4 times just to piss off Cindi and Tasty, and post an Armond White-esque review of why it's better than Rashomon

How daaaaaaare

Maybe you and Triumph remember Rashomon very differently.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on February 05, 2018, 09:34:16 PM
https://youtu.be/vwLv993khfI

Just now realizing they passed on this guy for Alden.  :doge

(Supposedly due to Alden being an actual actor and Anthony only being a decent impressionist of Harrison.)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on February 05, 2018, 09:37:31 PM
I think at this point I'm going to see it 3-4 times just to piss off Cindi and Tasty, and post an Armond White-esque review of why it's better than Rashomon

How daaaaaaare

Maybe you and Triumph remember Rashomon very differently.

Hes just trying to trigger me!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on February 05, 2018, 10:27:16 PM
I see were at the threatening to hate watch stage :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bluemax on February 06, 2018, 12:50:39 AM
This definitely visually looked a lot more like Rogue One than TFA/TLJ.

Han Solo and Eyebrows McGee feel like the worst parts of this movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on February 06, 2018, 05:08:34 AM
It's going to be the "Cloverfield Paradox" of new star wars movies.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on February 06, 2018, 05:09:38 AM
It's going to be the "Cloverfield Paradox" of new star wars movies.

It would be very difficult to be worse than Rogue One.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 06, 2018, 12:57:24 PM
I'll just wait for the RLM review to tell me what my opinion should be.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: CrazyDiamond on February 06, 2018, 03:44:38 PM
http://www.starwars.com/news/game-of-thrones-creators-david-benioff-and-d-b-weiss-to-write-and-produce-a-new-series-of-star-wars-films

They're making another series besides the previously announced new trilogy

Disney's going full MCU on this and I'm thinking it might be Too Much

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 06, 2018, 03:55:03 PM
Once Disney got it that was always going to be its inevitable destiny.

It is what it is.

It's kind of nice being a Star Trek fan in the sense that the franchise isn't popular enough for them to milk it at the level you can Star Wars.
 

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on February 06, 2018, 04:02:17 PM
http://www.starwars.com/news/game-of-thrones-creators-david-benioff-and-d-b-weiss-to-write-and-produce-a-new-series-of-star-wars-films

They're making another series besides the previously announced new trilogy

Disney's going full MCU on this and I'm thinking it might be Too Much

I'd like to think so but that stuff will take in big bucks for 20 years minimum guaranteed.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: CrazyDiamond on February 06, 2018, 04:15:20 PM
Well naturally. We might get some really good movies when/if they move on from the characters and story of the original saga and try something truly new in the universe, though by then it would be Star Wars in name only
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on February 06, 2018, 05:12:25 PM
http://www.starwars.com/news/game-of-thrones-creators-david-benioff-and-d-b-weiss-to-write-and-produce-a-new-series-of-star-wars-films

They're making another series besides the previously announced new trilogy

Disney's going full MCU on this and I'm thinking it might be Too Much

:lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on February 06, 2018, 05:25:35 PM
LOLLL@ giving the keys to D&D. Oh great, yet another opportunity for these guys to run someone else's material into the ground
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Huff on February 06, 2018, 05:57:06 PM
I’m pretty sure rian Johnson’s trilogy isn’t happening
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on February 06, 2018, 06:08:10 PM
I can bet Eyebrow Queen was involved in this someway. Casting her in Solo just opened the D&D floodgates.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on February 06, 2018, 06:45:11 PM
I’m pretty sure rian Johnson’s trilogy isn’t happening

Why, because TLJ didn't make enough money? (It did.)
Or because RottenTomatoes didn't have good public feedback (RT: critic 91% vs visitor 48% — hint: it was griefers)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on February 06, 2018, 06:46:27 PM
That's not really a defense, there are reports Disney's unhappy. You could defend Justice League in the same way (BO wise.)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on February 06, 2018, 06:48:36 PM
That's not really a defense, there are reports Disney's unhappy. You could defend Justice League in the same way (BO wise.)

Snyder's got teflon armor on his career. It's inexplicable. I mean, the movies make money, but they're garbage…

…oh.  :-\
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Huff on February 06, 2018, 09:56:49 PM
Yeah I’m sure Disney is thrilled over how divisive the movie was  ::)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 06, 2018, 10:06:22 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that every Star Wars movie going forward is gonna be considered "divisive". There is a clear divide in what people want in the franchise including nostalgia over-drive on the original trilogy. 

I would say the more accurate way to judge will continue to be the box office. And not the box office of Force Awakens which was the first new movie since the prequels.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on February 07, 2018, 02:28:32 AM
Just saw the full trailer. The guy playing Han has zero charisma.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 07, 2018, 08:42:34 PM
http://www.starwars.com/news/game-of-thrones-creators-david-benioff-and-d-b-weiss-to-write-and-produce-a-new-series-of-star-wars-films

They're making another series besides the previously announced new trilogy

Disney's going full MCU on this and I'm thinking it might be Too Much

They'll be working on the off-year movies, if I had to guess.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Oblivion on February 10, 2018, 04:31:15 PM
I saw the movie a while ago, but now I can finally post my thoughts. Hopefully I don't need to put this in spoiler tags.

The minuses:

- Time span: It displeases me to say that this movie happens to share many of the same faults I had with its immediate predecessor (a movie that I think is the most disappointing SW film in the series). One of these issues, is the way the movie handles the passage of time. This movie happens within the course of no more than a single DAY. That is a very, very short amount of time for properly building up tension and character development. I mean, think about it. Rey becomes besties with Kylo Ren after he murdered his dad in front of her, and attempted to do the same to her and Finn (not to mention the countless other people he killed up until that point) in the time it takes to defrost a pound of frozen beef? Luke spent decades in self-imposed exile but suddenly sees the light in the time it takes to binge watching  the first season of House of Cards? Sorry, but no.

- World building: Another incredibly disappointing area in this movie. One of the many things that annoys me about both TFA and TLJ is that the writers/directors have access to a whole universe (both literally and figuratively) where they can let their imaginations run wild, but they never seem to take advantage of that. In TLJ, we pretty much have a grand total of 3 major locales that the audience is exposed to: Luke's island, Canto Bight, and Crate. While I really like Luke's island in that it looks like a pretty place, there's not much going on there. Crate was also really cool looking, but aside from the red salt under the top layer of uh...white salt, it looks pretty much just like Hoth, except probably warmer. And then we have Canto Bight. Good lord, what a wasted opportunity. I'm not against the idea of having an alien casino, but we didn't get that. We got a casino with aliens. By that I mean the casino itself doesn't seem visually interesting or distinct compared to a typical casino from Earth. I mean, you could just film the whole scene at Luxor's with a couple of people in walrus suits and call it a day. I mean really, THIS is the best you can do with all the stuff that's available to you?

- Bad writing: This includes both dialogue and plot. Where the hell did the bombadiers come from? Clearly they weren't breaking the sound barrier any time soon, but they show up out of nowhere, taking the First Order by surprise, even. Why didn't Leia command the rest of Poe's squadron to fall back instead of just giving up after Poe ignored her? How the hell are Finn and Holdo supposed to be considered "traitors" when they were just planning on getting off the cruiser? Sure, you could make the claim that they were cowards, but traitors? Sounds like Rian just wanted to make a line sound cooler, or more melodramatic. Finn was about to bail on the rebels to save Rey but then decides that he's going to infiltrate Snoke's ship once he learns about the weakness? And what the hell was their plan for after they went on the ship? How were they going to come back to the cruiser?

Then we have the scene where DJ betrays Finn and Rose. Phasma comes out and presents him with the payment and ship for betraying the rebels. Not so surprising, right? Except that AFTER that happens, some First Order grunt appears and says they JUST confirmed that DJ was telling the truth. In other words, Phasma agreed to reward DJ without even making sure he was telling the truth?! I realize why this was done, because Rian cared more about having Finn say an important line than he did for whether the scene would make any sense.

And of course, we have Finn and Rose. This might be just a personal preference, but there was no need for a romantic relationship to develop. It seriously came out of the blue and served no purpose.

Plotwise, probably the thing that bugged me the most in this movie was Snoke's death. Given how they built him up to be such a menacing, powerful threat, it was a massive shame to see him go out like a chump. I mean, what the hell was the point of introducing him to begin with, if you're going to take him out like a sap. I'm not even against the idea of having Snoke die in this particular movie, but he should have made it way more satisfying. It's possible Rian wanted to make that battle more epic, but he blew the special fx budget on the fat alien with twelve boobs.

Lastly, during the final confrontation between Luke and Kylo, Poe said something to the effect that Luke was doing this "for a reason", and he was trying to figure out why. He then assumes it's because he's trying to stall and give the rebels a chance to escape. Okay...why the hell is this even a question? Couldn't Luke just mention that to say, ANYONE of the dozens of people in the base before he stepped out so they don't waste time having to figure out what he's trying to do like as if the goddamned Riddler?

Marvel humor: Oh yeah, you knew this was coming. I think I would add two points to this film if they just got rid of this shit and kept everything else. The humor was so damned out of place and just unnecessary. From the very first moment we see any dialogue on-screen, we have that cringeworthy scene between Poe and Hux. Ah, using the ole' "going to pretend I can't hear you on the intercom" gag, eh? Totally originally. And topping it off with a "yo mama" joke? Well, that is certainly a timeless quip that didn't go out of style when I was in middle school! And who can forget how Hux repeated Kylo's commands  to other soldiers during the battle on Crate, resulting in a most amusing annoyed look on Kylo's face! Ho ho! Sure, the First Order is supposed to be an incredibly fearsome and brutal regime that's been involved in multiple acts of genocide, but isn't it nice that we have lovable goofballs like Hux to lighten the mood.


Okay, that's enough of me being a Negative Nicky. Let's talk about the pluses:

+ Way more action: One thing the movie does better than TFA is that there is definitely a lot more action and excitement. If I could use one word to describe TFA, it would be boring. Sure, there were light sabers humming, blasters pew pewing, and planets blowing up, but somehow it didn't really maintain my interest. It just felt so dull and inconsequential. TLJ doesn't feel like that. It feels exciting and like there are actual stakes this time around.

+ Music: Not much to say here except that Williams still has it (well, at least for some tracks). If anyone can find me the theme for when Finn and Rose are captured and being marched in for their execution, I'll be your best friend.

+ Set pieces/crucial scenes: As I've already mentioned, I'm not a big fan of Rian's writing. However, I do think that he does seem to have an eye for what makes for a visually good scene. The fight between Rey/Kylo and Snoke's Praetorian Guard was great. With the set as a whole just looking so visually cool with the red drapery on the black, shining floor, and then the drapes burning up to make the room look like raining fire. There's also the scene where Holdo smashes the crusier into Snoke's ship. Then there's Luke facing the At-Ats with the sunset in the background, which I think will be a visual that will live on long after this movie. And then we have in one sense, probably my favorite moment in the film. It's an incredibly short scene, but I just love it so much. It's when Luke stops in front of CPO, and just winks and walks away. It's such a simple, quick scene, but somehow it was also perfect. I like Star Wars, but I don't know if I'd call myself a "fan", but holy shit, that scene hit me in the goddamned gut like nothing else. Rian didn't ruin the moment with some dumbass, tryhard line or joke, and I'm thankful he was able to resist the urge.


Overall, I enjoyed the movie. Quite a bit more than TFA, but I still think it's weak compared to the rest. Look, say what you want about Lucas (and Yoda knows I have), but while the man may be a terrible writer, obsessed with CG, and bad at giving direction to actors, he was also really good at world building, creating interesting locales and aliens, and exciting action sequences. The prequels may be bad, but I feel they're at least very entertaining. Whereas the new trilogy seems to not have anything particularly offensive or lol worthy quotes (minus the previously mentioned cringey Marvel humor), but very little worth remembering. They're competent, but unimpressive films. While TLJ impressed me in many areas, it also made me a bit more wary on what to expect from the final installment. Overall:  7/10
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on February 10, 2018, 05:38:58 PM
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Then there's Luke facing the At-Ats with the sunset in the background, which I think will be a visual that will live on long after this movie.

Possibly my favorite SW shot of all time. Something about it feels like I've seen it in a half-remembered dream.

Agreed with pretty much all your points too btw.
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Post by: Momo on February 21, 2018, 01:22:40 PM
STAR WARS REBELS IS BACK, I HAVEN'T WATCHED YET, DON'T SPOIL :rejoice
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Post by: Tasty on February 21, 2018, 01:25:45 PM
STAR WARS REBELS IS BACK, I HAVEN'T WATCHED YET, DON'T SPOIL :rejoice

Darth Jar Jar is behind everything.
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Post by: Momo on February 21, 2018, 01:33:07 PM
I WILL FIND YOU AND CHOKE YOU OUT :rejoice
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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 21, 2018, 01:37:30 PM
STAR WARS REBELS IS BACK, I HAVEN'T WATCHED YET, DON'T SPOIL :rejoice

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star wars sucks, lol
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Post by: Mupepe on February 21, 2018, 02:20:26 PM
I love the Finn and Rose romance.  I think it's about time that Hollywood stood up and put a believable and authentic interracial and interstellar relationship front and center in a big budget movie.
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Post by: paprikastaude on February 21, 2018, 02:26:26 PM
I'll even take the retrospectively incestuous relationship of the OT instead.
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Post by: desert punk on February 22, 2018, 04:21:13 PM
Found that thing between Rey and Finn in TFA quite cute and don't really understand why they had to undo it in TLJ and force some other girl on him. It's pointless and rushed, pretty much like most of Finns plot line in this movie.

Though I suppose they had to make it a love triangle to force another parallel to the original trilogy. I was hoping that they would lay it off with the nostalgia a bit in TLJ, but that didn't really happen. Still a decent movie tho.
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Post by: Momo on February 23, 2018, 09:26:43 AM
I JUST WATCHED REBELS
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:goldberg :goldberg :goldberg :goldberg
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Post by: Tasty on February 25, 2018, 02:16:38 PM
I was just thinking about the Rose subplot in TLJ and I think I'm more annoyed by it now than when I saw the film.
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Post by: Oblivion on February 26, 2018, 12:59:47 PM
Is it wrong to think that I might have been more tolerant of Rose if she was hotter?
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Post by: desert punk on February 26, 2018, 01:23:53 PM
Is it wrong to think that I might have been more tolerant about Rose if she was hotter?

LOL, keep thinking that too  :esports
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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 26, 2018, 02:39:06 PM
I would have liked it less because I would have kept thinking "How can you leave Rey for this WHORE?!" but since she's kinda homely, it's just like "ah well, I guess she does have a nice personality".
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on February 26, 2018, 02:44:58 PM
Yeah, you know Rose totally watches anime.

Rey would just want to talk about pilates. :expert
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Post by: team filler on February 27, 2018, 01:47:39 AM
rose should have been played by that trashy slut from the florida project  :noah
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Post by: Momo on February 27, 2018, 02:01:44 AM
Two more eps of rebels out, going to watch later :rejoice
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Post by: Momo on February 27, 2018, 10:31:00 AM
Rebels just introduced an insanely OP site to the lore, wondering how they will make everyone forget it exists :doge
HOLY FUCK THIS EPISODE :lawd
THESE LAST 4 EPISODES :lawd
SERIES FINALE NEXT WEEK :lawd
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Post by: chronovore on February 27, 2018, 11:22:38 AM
iTunes prices on REBELS are stupid, as I've previously whined. Seasons came out overpriced, then split-seaons which are still overpriced, and also have movie entries which are separate purchases but are meant to be viewed as part of the season… Hey, thanks, Disney — fuck you, too.

So rather than try and keep up with it, I went back and bought the entire CLONE WARS TV show series on blu-ray. I know what I'll be watching when I get back to Japan!
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Post by: Momo on February 27, 2018, 11:15:18 PM
Not sure if there will be a follow up (maybe some of these TV series being bandied around) but yup, series finale
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Post by: desert punk on February 28, 2018, 02:52:32 AM
Guess I’ll continue with the show. Stopped at the beginning of the third season, because I hated Kanan’s and particularly Ezra’s new looks, and everyone was all serious and emo. I did like that they brought Thrawn into the fold, though I think he’s a bit wasted on a show like Rebels.

Did you like the finale?
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Post by: Momo on February 28, 2018, 02:59:31 AM
Finale is next week, but season 4 has been fire man (season 3 picks up quite a bit too). I agree Thrawn is wasted here, I hope they set him up for a post snoke role somehow, he's one of the most compelling villains in SW even this nerfed edition
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 02, 2018, 11:55:44 AM
I've watched random episodes of Rebels over the years, but watched the last few in preparation for the finale. Didn't feel lost or confused at all.

Also, could Disney and Amazon stop with their petty feud? I'd like to preorder The Last Jedi on Blu-ray kthxbye.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on March 02, 2018, 04:17:46 PM
I might give Rebels a shot since Xfinity has the whole series for streaming. I watched Clone Wars a handful of times but wasn't super engaged, although I didn't dislike it either. Read about some of the later stuff sounds like hilariously absurd fanfiction. Does Rebels have that kind of shit?

They brought back Darth Maul and gave him robot legs, so kinda.
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Post by: chronovore on March 02, 2018, 04:31:06 PM
Oh I thought robot leg Darth Maul was in Clone Wars

I don't know if that's in REBELS, but it's from CLONE WARS.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on March 02, 2018, 04:34:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0scImICHU14
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Post by: paprikastaude on March 02, 2018, 04:59:29 PM
OT Obi-Wan vs Darth Maul?  :jeanluc

edit: wait, he was dead.
fake edit: wait, didn't he come back as a spider.
fake edit2: and he talks now?
fake edit3:  :hhh
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Post by: sphagnum on March 02, 2018, 05:19:59 PM
OT Obi-Wan vs Darth Maul?  :jeanluc

edit: wait, he was dead.
fake edit: wait, didn't he come back as a spider.
fake edit2: and he talks now?
fake edit3:  :hhh

Maul came back in TCW, first with spider legs, then with inverted legs before getting normal robot legs. He took over Mandalore but got sheeved and went on the run trying to find a way to defeat Palpatine leading him to a Sith temple with an ancient superweapon in Rebels.

His duel with Obi-Wan in Rebels is one of the best duels in the franchise.
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Post by: paprikastaude on March 02, 2018, 05:27:42 PM
I don't even know who Mandalore is (and don't want to know).
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Post by: Atramental on March 02, 2018, 07:09:25 PM
I don't even know who Mandalore is (and don't want to know).
https://youtu.be/woT-x2tyn4Y

 :letsfukk
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Post by: Raist on March 04, 2018, 05:58:06 AM
https://twitter.com/lexigeek/status/969975878993063936
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Post by: Stoney Mason on March 04, 2018, 12:15:14 PM
lol
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Post by: Momo on March 05, 2018, 10:28:59 PM
yeah, you lose some critical background if you dont know tcw, ashoka and anakin's story most importantly imo
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on March 06, 2018, 02:18:33 AM
Bought the whole TCW series on blu-ray during my trip stateside. Probably unreasonably excited to watch it…

Arguably related:
https://twitter.com/MarshallJulius/status/970673053469495296
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on March 06, 2018, 09:46:53 AM
The Rebels Finale was beautiful :goldberg
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Post by: Atramental on March 06, 2018, 09:55:32 AM
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That scene with Palpatine was pretty cool.
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Post by: Tasty on March 06, 2018, 12:32:28 PM
YT plz
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Post by: Atramental on March 06, 2018, 01:36:07 PM
https://youtu.be/W4kJzzl22Qs

Try to ignore the large neckbeard commentator.
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Post by: Tasty on March 06, 2018, 02:21:54 PM
Sorry, can't. Get another vid.
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Post by: Atramental on March 06, 2018, 02:26:56 PM
You’re on your own. I have to go wagecuck for another 4 hours. :ohyou

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and Ive been at my office since 5 this morning  :brazilcry
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Post by: Atramental on March 06, 2018, 07:56:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ncSrkQLiqg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSo5n5WSJQA
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on March 06, 2018, 08:39:04 PM
Holy shit RLM was right, that VA is fucking awful. :lol

Anyways thanks for the vids~
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Post by: sphagnum on March 06, 2018, 08:49:05 PM
Holy shit RLM was right, that VA is fucking awful. :lol

Anyways thanks for the vids~

Ian McDiarmid is awful?
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Post by: Tasty on March 06, 2018, 09:05:01 PM
As a VA yes.

Also, receipts please.
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Post by: sphagnum on March 06, 2018, 10:27:46 PM
As a VA yes.

Also, receipts please.

Ian came back for season 4.

http://comicbook.com/starwars/amp/2018/01/20/star-wars-rebels-emperor-palpatine-ian-mcdiarmid/
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Post by: Tasty on March 07, 2018, 12:08:46 AM
Well damn, he sucks now.
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Post by: desert punk on March 07, 2018, 03:02:01 AM
After watching S1 of Rebels I decided maybe I should give TCW a chance again since it seems like some plot lines and characters are going to carry over. Surely it's better when you have the chronological order and which filler eps to skip, right?

I managed without watching TCW. That show never grabbed me outside the first few episodes. Weird because I hear a lot of people say that TCW is the better show overall. But I always liked the crew of the Ghost more than Kenobi, Skywalker and that obnoxious apprentice.

Though I suppose not watching TCW lessens the emotional impact of the Rebels season 2 finale. I mean I read up on a few things on wookiepedia but that ain't the same...
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Post by: Momo on March 07, 2018, 03:35:34 AM
Rebels is better for me too but
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obnoxious apprentice
:bolo
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Post by: desert punk on March 07, 2018, 08:09:34 AM
I suppose Ezra ain't really an improvement compared to Ahsoka.
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I liked her grown-up version in Rebels tho.
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Post by: Momo on March 07, 2018, 08:11:34 AM
Have you finished Rebels yet?
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Post by: desert punk on March 07, 2018, 08:44:47 AM
Lol no, I'm slow as fuck when it comes to watching tv shows, even with stuff that I like  ;)

I'm halfway through season 3 now. Nothing of importance really happened but otherwise it's good. There wasn't a bad episode so far; even the one with Hondo was watchable. God what an annoying little cunt he is, though the writers seem to think he's hot stuff, so I guess he'll make a comeback again sooner than later.

I have to give them props for how they're handling Thrawn. I was sceptical at first at seeing him in what is basically a show for kids. But considering these restrictions, they really nailed him so far. Excactly how I imagined him when reading the Thrawn trilogy decades ago. And his voice actor does a great job in conveying the character.

Think I'm gonna buy me that new Thrawn novel that Zahn wrote. It's a prequel to his Rebels appearance.
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Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2018, 03:03:54 AM
http://www.starwars.com/news/jon-favreau-to-executive-produce-write-live-action-star-wars-series
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Lucasfilm is excited to announce that Emmy-nominated producer and actor Jon Favreau has signed on to executive produce and write a live-action Star Wars series for Disney’s new direct-to-consumer platform. Favreau is no stranger to the Star Wars galaxy having played roles in both the Star Wars: The Clone Wars animated series and in the upcoming Solo: A Star Wars Story.

“I couldn’t be more excited about Jon coming on board to produce and write for the new direct-to-consumer platform,” says Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy. “Jon brings the perfect mix of producing and writing talent, combined with a fluency in the Star Wars universe. This series will allow Jon the chance to work with a diverse group of writers and directors and give Lucasfilm the opportunity to build a robust talent base.”

Favreau is thrilled to be returning to the Star Wars galaxy: “If you told me at 11 years old that I would be getting to tell stories in the Star Wars universe, I wouldn’t have believed you. I can’t wait to embark upon this exciting adventure.”
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Post by: chronovore on March 11, 2018, 06:26:25 PM
http://twitter.com/hamillhimself/status/972641290474029056
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Post by: Momo on March 12, 2018, 01:08:28 AM
https://www.themarysue.com/drugging-romance-and-star-wars-rebels (https://www.themarysue.com/drugging-romance-and-star-wars-rebels/)/


this is a parody blog right? Spoilers: Rebels Finale.
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Post by: TVC15 on March 12, 2018, 01:30:52 AM
Why would you not want to look like an ABBA member?
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Post by: chronovore on March 12, 2018, 08:51:01 PM
https://imgur.com/gallery/j8EAF
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Post by: Stoney Mason on March 14, 2018, 10:11:32 PM
Where does all this talk of it taking risks and being "transgressive and subversive" come from?

Partly from a subset of critics who strangely found it to be that ( I don't agree) and partially from weirdos who wanted a very specific version of Star Wars and find the Last Jedi to be blasphemy. One side means it as a positive and the other side as a negative.

I don't think very many normal people actually felt that way at all. I think they just liked or disliked the movie like any other movie without being hyperbolic on it.

It did nothing any other movie or anime hasn't done a thousands times before but because its star wars and people view that as a very conservative franchise, normal storytelling techniques are viewed as nearly revolutionary.

Like snoke or rey's parents.
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Post by: Momo on March 15, 2018, 01:03:38 AM
TLJ defenders and the detractors that care too much have sure as hell come up with dumb reasons to justify each side. Movie's just straight up not good, no need to make it more than that (but we know why people are)
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Post by: Great Rumbler on March 15, 2018, 01:04:16 AM
I think TLJ is good. So there.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on March 15, 2018, 01:06:10 AM
or just don't know how to say they didn't care for it and are making up reasons to justify their feelings.

It's a variation on this but close enough imo.

There is a weird ownership thing that's goes on in these franchises where people suddenly pretend they are a codified thing from the beginning to the end of time and if you break certain rules then it ain't Star Wars anymore

So instead of just saying I didn't like the movie because of X,Y, Z reasons which would be fine, it has to be elevated to this destroyed Star Wars level of argumentation and it broke the intricate puzzle piece that was Star Wars when its always been a series that makes it up as it goes along.

It's absurd of course coming off the prequels (which kinda did break Star Wars but we'll ignore that because it kind of muddles the point) as the new trilogy isn't nearly incompetent enough to take this stance.  Even Rogue One which I'm not a fan of doesn't  rise to that level. It's a poor movie imo for movie reasons but its not out of line with Star Wars. It's just unnecessary.
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Post by: Momo on March 15, 2018, 01:23:34 AM
I think TLJ is good. So there.
I mean that's fine too, I'm not going to start accusing you of shit because you have a different opinion on a Marvel movie  :trumps
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Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 15, 2018, 01:24:54 AM
I will, you suck, TLJ was LITERALLY FUN FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY, BITCH
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Post by: Momo on March 15, 2018, 01:26:05 AM
I will, you suck, TLJ was LITERALLY FUN FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY, BITCH
So's incest porn, but I'm not going to judge you for that either  :shaq
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on March 15, 2018, 01:30:12 AM
I will, you suck, TLJ was LITERALLY FUN FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY, BITCH
So's incest porn, but I'm not going to judge you for that either  :shaq

This is the weirdest comeback I've ever read.
I've been hanging out with White Man.
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Post by: Tasty on March 15, 2018, 01:47:14 AM
For me it was less "IT MADE NO SENSE" and more like each time it stretched credulity a little bit further, to the point where I started getting annoyed towards the end.

On top of that the Finn/Rose stuff was terrible, the casino planet subplot was filler, and I just didn't buy into Luke's turn from the end of the OT despite it leading to a more potentially interesting narrative. :trumps

TLJ was bad. Not like, cosmically, childhood-rapingly bad, but not good, either.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on March 15, 2018, 01:48:38 AM
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/eo4vpBWY_zQ/maxresdefault.jpg)

If I never see this stupid face in a SW movie again it'll be too soon.
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Post by: Tasty on March 15, 2018, 01:49:28 AM
Also yes the Snoke thing still annoys the fuck out of me and I'll be sure to post about why that is when I figure it out.
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Post by: Tasty on March 15, 2018, 02:04:17 AM
Write single 300+ word posts cocksucking Disney™'s Star Wars® brehs :whatsthedeal
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Post by: seagrams hotsauce on March 15, 2018, 02:14:43 AM
Laura Dern not telling poe or anyone her plan was dumb bro. The justification was double distinguished mentally-challenged too. "she wasn't concerned about looking like a hero" oh cool that's a great reason for a military commander to keep everyone under them in the dark as to wtf is going on. Also doesn't even make sense. so she didn't want to look like a hero, but she didn't mind looking like someone who was more concerned with not looking like a hero than assuring thousands of people they weren't about to die? What?
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Post by: Momo on March 15, 2018, 10:35:31 AM
There isnt a single human rapist in Star Wars, how do you know rape is even still a thing in star wars human culture?  :vr
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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 15, 2018, 04:00:21 PM
George Lucas raped my childhood.
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Post by: Huff on March 16, 2018, 12:16:29 AM
I will, you suck, TLJ was LITERALLY FUN FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY, BITCH

Movies shoAuld just be fun okay don’t think so much about it okay it’s fine okay
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on March 16, 2018, 12:38:12 AM
I will, you suck, TLJ was LITERALLY FUN FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY, BITCH

Movies shoAuld just be fun okay don’t think so much about it okay it’s fine okay
Explains why Blade Runner tanked :goldberg
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on March 17, 2018, 04:39:17 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzHeDYfkAB0
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Post by: paprikastaude on March 17, 2018, 07:22:31 AM
I hate Call of Duty, what a financial bomb amirite? (This how this works?)
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Post by: Great Rumbler on March 17, 2018, 10:22:51 AM
Disney paid $4 billion for the Star Wars license and just the three Star Wars movies they've released so far have sold nearly $4.5 billion worth of tickets worldwide. What a bomba!
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Post by: Momo on March 17, 2018, 12:19:13 PM
yeah rebels ships toys (well used to) like weed in california
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Post by: Momo on March 17, 2018, 12:30:20 PM
TFW you remember Minecraft sold for a figure near 70% of Star Wars
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Post by: agrajag on March 17, 2018, 12:32:15 PM
Rose or Jar Jar?
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Post by: Momo on March 17, 2018, 12:37:16 PM
Rose or Jar Jar?
Carbonite.
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Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 17, 2018, 12:56:16 PM
To save time, roll them into one character
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Post by: seagrams hotsauce on March 17, 2018, 01:01:03 PM
You know a franchise is a financial disaster when the latest installment is still in theaters by the time the Blu Ray comes out, right?
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Post by: agrajag on March 17, 2018, 01:13:17 PM
$1,331,883,651   

FINANCIAL FAILURE
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Post by: paprikastaude on March 17, 2018, 01:38:45 PM
I somehow stumbled through most of that video when I was lazy in the morning... Not a fan of tired sayings, but this dude really is an idiot's idea of a smart person.
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Post by: chronovore on March 17, 2018, 08:42:25 PM
I somehow stumbled through most of that video when I was lazy in the morning... Not a fan of tired sayings, but this dude really is an idiot's idea of a smart person.

That's called a "Trump" nowadays.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on March 18, 2018, 06:04:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOcUL0FuKIQ

This should have been left in. Explained so much about Luke's views on the Jedi in a much clearer way than his other rants, and in a very efficient use of time to boot.
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Post by: desert punk on March 18, 2018, 06:23:34 PM
Whatever the actual quality of these movies is, I certainly appreciate how they brought Carrie Fisher (RIP) and Mark Hamill back into the limelight :rejoice
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Post by: chronovore on March 19, 2018, 05:18:55 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/2vGmIZxl.jpg)
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Post by: Tasty on March 19, 2018, 03:13:55 PM
https://io9.gizmodo.com/all-the-new-things-we-learned-from-the-star-wars-the-l-1823756546

Reading all this, I'm surprised the movie was coherent at all. So much stuff removed and changed in post-production. At least Johnson, as writer-director, was still there to spearhead all of it.
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 19, 2018, 04:11:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOcUL0FuKIQ

This should have been left in. Explained so much about Luke's views on the Jedi in a much clearer way than his other rants, and in a very efficient use of time to boot.

This is legit better than the other lessons.
Shit, it's better than the rest of the movie. Why cut this scene? It all works.
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Post by: chronovore on March 19, 2018, 10:41:03 PM
The prequel trilogy tier humor is still in it though :snoop

Damn it, Rian! You were supposed to be the chosen one.

Disney held the higher ground…
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Post by: Momo on March 20, 2018, 12:21:58 AM
Hey Exodust, let me record myself calling you and making dad jokes so I can sell the video as Star Wars deleted scenes
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Post by: chronovore on March 22, 2018, 03:42:53 AM
https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/blog/epic-games-demonstrates-real-time-ray-tracing-in-unreal-engine-4-with-ilmxlab-and-nvidia

:wow

This is a stunning tech demo. Part of the charm is the flawless audio presentation, for sure, but the visuals are amazing, esp. considering they're real time. It doesn't matter to me that it is going to be a beast of a machine, it's stunning nonetheless.
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Post by: Momo on March 27, 2018, 02:22:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paxgKBUK4wQ
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 27, 2018, 03:36:32 PM
Grabbed TLJ at Costco today. Only saw it once in the theater, so looking forward to watching it again.
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Post by: bluemax on March 28, 2018, 01:55:10 AM
Seems like there were some better scenes with Luke/Rey that got cut but instead we got alien boob milk.

On the plus side that awful Kanto Blight chase scene was apparently even longer and more boring originally.
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 28, 2018, 12:46:20 PM
There were some great deleted scenes, particularly the "Caretaker party" and the extended duel between Finn and Phasma.
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Post by: agrajag on April 08, 2018, 08:56:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPEYpryMp2s

The acting feels really dry to me, both the Han actor and the Donald Glover guy ( not familiar with his work). Emilia Clarke is supposed to be Princess Leia? She's not supposed to know Han before ANH, pfffft. Damn Disney and their retcons.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on April 08, 2018, 09:18:38 PM
Looks better than the previous trailer, and the space-western vibe mixed with a heist thriller could be fun enough. Not gonna get hyped up for it, but I'll be on opening weekend unless the reviews are just completely in the basement.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on April 08, 2018, 09:50:52 PM
Rogue One is dry. That's a 9 alarm fire by comparison.


Not that I have any take on said quality of actual movie.
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Post by: agrajag on April 08, 2018, 09:59:38 PM
Maybe Rogue One was dry, but it's its own self-contained story. It didn't have actors reprising the roles of Han and Lando that were brilliantly done. We have something to compare them to. At least that's where I stand on this.
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Post by: Svejk on April 09, 2018, 09:03:17 AM
It's like Disney didn't even try with Han and Lando.  Ubisoft AssCrud syndrome strikes Disney.
 :no1curr
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Post by: kingv on April 09, 2018, 09:09:05 AM
I’m pretty sure Amelia Clarke’s character is not leia but some other chick.

She is such a terrible actress though. Dull as hell in game of thrones.
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Post by: Momo on April 09, 2018, 09:13:56 AM
she has nice tits tho
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Post by: zomgee on April 09, 2018, 10:02:47 AM
My wife and I watched Last Jedi again in the theater room Saturday night. It was much, MUCH better on second viewing.

Except for Canto Bight.
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Post by: ToxicAdam on April 09, 2018, 10:19:15 AM
The lead in that Han movie is a charisma sink. How do they miss on that? Watching all those scenes just made me want a Lando movie instead.


Looks competently done though. But that's what Ron Howard does.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: kingv on April 09, 2018, 11:32:43 AM
she has nice tits tho

I’ll keep that in of spermastudios does some last mine reshoots
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Post by: Joe Molotov on April 09, 2018, 11:35:12 AM
Looks competently done though. But that's what Ron Howard does.

Might be his best movie since Unforgiven.
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 09, 2018, 12:53:15 PM
It's odd that I find Lando far more interesting/charismatic than Solo. I mean it's Solo's movie but I'm more interested in the Lando stuff.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 09, 2018, 01:05:12 PM
Real talk: Lando was always cooler than Han.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on April 09, 2018, 01:23:38 PM
well Lando has the BBC, Han's ewok sized carrot stick cannot compare
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Post by: Momo on April 09, 2018, 01:26:58 PM
Lando fans  :donot
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Post by: etiolate on April 09, 2018, 01:39:21 PM
To save time, roll them into one character

Why not a buddy movie?

He can't walk straight... and she can't drive straight! They're two of a kind and porgs of a feather! It's the derpest duo that's sweeping the nation!

Coming to theatres and or streaming this fall, Jar Jar and Rose take center stage  in Star Wars: Mesa Hear No Evil, Shesa See No Evil

Cheebos & Roberts call it a hilarious romp for the ages! But you'll call it the direct to Blu-Ray hit that stole your heart!
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Post by: Atramental on April 09, 2018, 03:41:24 PM
https://entertainment.theonion.com/fans-excited-as-solo-trailer-sheds-light-on-specifica-1825112914?utm_content=Main&utm_campaign=SF&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on April 09, 2018, 09:33:04 PM
http://www.vintag.es/2018/03/rare-star-wars-polaroids.html
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Post by: kingv on April 09, 2018, 10:54:16 PM
well Lando has the BBC, Han's ewok sized carrot stick cannot compare

It’s fine not to like Han, because it’s punching up, but not liksing Lando is punching down, so only racist pieces of shit like Bernie Sanders don’t like Lando.
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Post by: bluemax on April 10, 2018, 01:01:15 AM
The trailer made the movie look both better and worse.

Like, the plot seems okay enough, its almost ripped from that cancelled Star Wars game, but the "HEY THIS IS THE ORIGIN OF THAT THING IN THE OLD MOVIES" part is just so cringe. Star Wars movies just can't help but be stuck referencing shit.
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Post by: chronovore on April 10, 2018, 02:58:33 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/puwkMXr.jpg)
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Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on April 10, 2018, 11:36:59 AM
https://twitter.com/TheLocalGod/status/981103133853065216
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Post by: Momo on April 10, 2018, 01:55:20 PM
Maybe her alcohol breath melted it
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Post by: Stoney Mason on April 12, 2018, 06:37:04 PM
edit: shit already posted
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on April 13, 2018, 08:39:18 PM
Finally saw the Last Jedi, my FINAL JUDGEMENT:

* Parts with Rey/Luke/Kylo were cool
* Rest was meh
* More visually and musically interesting than the last one
* Overall, I would say it's pretty good I guess
* Except that obnoxious internet commenter/youtuber types hate it and I hate them, so scratch that, it's the best movie of all time!

like and subscribe for more incisive cinema criticism!
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on April 13, 2018, 09:43:48 PM
Addendum: I can't quite put my finger on exactly how but to me it also kinda feels like the anime-fication or JRPG-ification of star wars which I guess I can dig
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 14, 2018, 08:42:48 AM
Was at a local star wars con today with my fam and a local tat shop was doing tats for 80 bucks, any tat you wanted, so I got a tat done.

Its s star wars tat  8)
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Post by: Huff on April 14, 2018, 11:09:37 AM
 :yuck :yuck :yuck
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 14, 2018, 12:57:11 PM
 :maf
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 14, 2018, 01:02:03 PM
Maybe her alcohol breath melted it

Wish i could like this twice
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Post by: team filler on April 27, 2018, 03:23:39 AM
https://twitter.com/bobbyrobertspdx/status/985948617889333248
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Post by: etiolate on April 27, 2018, 04:03:59 AM
how does he go through life without being punched unconscious
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Post by: team filler on April 27, 2018, 04:13:50 AM
 :bobby
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Post by: seagrams hotsauce on April 27, 2018, 08:18:55 AM
https://twitter.com/bobbyrobertspdx/status/987908441648709637
 lmao why would you put this in public when you're in your 40s
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Post by: Great Rumbler on April 27, 2018, 10:52:20 AM
"how" does he go through "life" without being "punched unconscious"

.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 27, 2018, 02:01:03 PM
Last 40 min of Rogue One is some of the best Star Wars
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Post by: agrajag on April 27, 2018, 02:10:04 PM
you guys are doxxing again I see
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Post by: chronovore on April 30, 2018, 09:39:54 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/vUtKXHYl.jpg)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://i.imgur.com/YDp5SO0.jpg)
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on May 01, 2018, 09:41:13 AM
https://twitter.com/headfallsoff/status/991073146978611200
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Post by: Momo on May 02, 2018, 02:01:29 AM
http://comicbook.com/starwars/2018/05/01/star-wars-episode-9-new-character/

:doge
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Post by: team filler on May 02, 2018, 05:19:01 AM
https://twitter.com/bobbyrobertspdx/status/991071150527496192
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Post by: chronovore on May 03, 2018, 05:21:10 AM
http://comicbook.com/starwars/2018/05/01/star-wars-episode-9-new-character/

:doge

"The role is described as 'perfect for someone who looks a good deal like Daisy Ridley but drinks less…'" :doge
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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 03, 2018, 12:32:34 PM
Time to cast Darth Stacy
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Post by: Atramental on May 03, 2018, 08:34:53 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/slG2gQQ.png)
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Post by: chronovore on May 03, 2018, 09:02:05 PM
It's May-the-Fourth here in Osaka, so I started my day with a viewing of ROGUE ONE. I'll either watch THE LAST JEDI or play some SW game soon.


Happy Star Wars Day, errybody!
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Post by: Great Rumbler on May 03, 2018, 09:28:15 PM
Play Shadows of the Empire.
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Post by: chronovore on May 04, 2018, 02:53:44 AM
Play Shadows of the Empire.

I want to still ENJOY Star Wars, why are you sabotaging me?

(https://i.imgur.com/HNMMU8Q.gif)

YOU'RE A SITH!
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Post by: paprikastaude on May 04, 2018, 04:11:21 AM
Pod Racer just released on GOG iirc.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on May 05, 2018, 05:39:16 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/RiXMxqY.jpg)
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Post by: CatsCatsCats on May 05, 2018, 09:10:32 PM
Like 90% of May the Fourth stuff I saw came from advertisers. Dominos texted me saying they found my lack of pizza disturbing.
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Post by: team filler on May 06, 2018, 05:32:40 PM
https://twitter.com/Faux_Gruden/status/989661894352031744

https://twitter.com/Faux_Gruden/status/974854276550979584
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Post by: chronovore on May 06, 2018, 06:40:07 PM
Wrong thread?
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Post by: Great Rumbler on May 11, 2018, 11:00:17 AM
https://twitter.com/DanCasey/status/994758084336627712
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 12, 2018, 12:27:00 AM
Live action star wars series?

What a time
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Post by: Momo on May 12, 2018, 12:31:05 AM
Live action star wars series?

What a time
It's Disney time
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Post by: agrajag on May 12, 2018, 01:18:11 AM
may the 4th was the corniest thing ever.

But I'm sure Bubby threw a fucking parade over it
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Post by: seagrams hotsauce on May 12, 2018, 04:00:12 PM
I'm pretty tired of the last few years of star wars inundation and kinda numb to any of the new movies, but the live show has me a little bit interested. TV has gotten to the point where it can afford to be different, moreso than lumbering blockbusters. Hopefully the episodic, 40 minute installment format lets whoever is working on it be a little less tethered to the beats the movies have to hit
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Post by: chronovore on May 12, 2018, 08:01:36 PM
https://laughingsquid.com/star-wars-yoda-bookend/

Kinda want.
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Post by: seagrams hotsauce on May 12, 2018, 09:29:34 PM
Spoilers for solo are out there and one of them fuckin cracks me up
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Post by: seagrams hotsauce on May 13, 2018, 12:36:47 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/8ipaol/full_spoiler_review_this_is_a_spoilerspoiler/dytms64/?st=jh51hi5z&sh=71e8e42f
spoiler (click to show/hide)
SPOILERS

Film starts with text, not really a crawl

Han and Qi'ra are trying to leave Corellia. They are boyfriend and girlfriend, and they kiss.

They steal something they can use to bribe an Imperial officer with so they can escape. "Some worm" guys chase after them in those speeders from the trailers. Han and Qi'ra reach the Imperial hangar.

They try to bribe an Imperial officer to escape Corellia, they get separated, Qi'ra gets captured by gangsters, Han hides in a recruitment center where he joins the Imperial army to leave Corellia. He says his name is just "Han" and that he's alone...Imperial guard gives him the last name "Solo"

3 years later

Han is fighting on Mimban. He sees Beckett and his team including Val and Rio Durant. They are disguised as Imperial troops, but aren't fighting. Han tries to tell on them because they won't let him join their crew, but Beckett rats Han out first, saying that Han is trying to desert the Empire.

Han gets thrown into a prisoner camp, where Chewie is. They escape. Beckett's crew sees this and they decide to "rescue" Han and Chewie and let them be part of their crew

They try to steal fuel cells from a train from the trailer. Enfys Nest and the Cloud Raiders are also there, trying to steal it. Val sacrifices herself. Rio Durant, who is the pilot, also dies.

Now Han must pilot the ship (not the Falcon) He drops the fuel cells and they blow up.

Han, Chewie, and Beckett now go to Dryden Voss' hangout. He is the gangster they are trying to sell fuel cells too. Beckett comes up with a new plan, saying that there is some on Kessel.

Qi'ra is now Dryden's girlfriend. She tells them that she knows Lando has a fast ship they can use.

Han, Chewie, Beckett, Qi'ra go see Lando.

Han plays sabacc with Lando to win the Falcon. Han loses because Lando cheats, Han knows he cheats, but can't prove it.

Lando and L3 fly the Falcon with the crew to Kessel. Han and Qi'ra have another moment alone, they kiss again.

L3 tries to save robot prisoners, but gets shot and teared in half

Chewie tries to free Wookies. Doesn't seem like he knows them.

The crew escapes Kessel with the fuel cells. Han must fly the Falcon now, because Lando is sad L3 is basically dead. They use L3's "brain" to help navigate through a black hole and the tentacle monster from the trailer

The fuel cells from Kessel are unstable, so they have to go to a new planet to make them stable some how. Enfys Nest and her gang are there. Turns out she is a 16 year old girl and they are trying to help some "rebellion" and needs the fuel.

Not clear if Han and the gang give them some or what, doesn't seem like any Cloud Raiders die

Lando flies away with the Falcon.

Han, Chewie, Qi'ra, go back to Dryden Voss. Beckett stays behind for some reason, it sounds like he thinks Dryden Voss may kill him.

It turns out Beckett double crosses Han and tells Dryden Voss that the fuel cells are fake (even though they are real)

Han, Qi'ra, and Chewie fight Dryden Voss and his guards. Voss and his guards die.

Han goes after Beckett for revenge. Qi'ra stays behind, using a hologram message to speak with her actual gangster boss: Darth Maul

Darth Maul is a crime lord now. Ray Park is the actor, but they use Sam Witwer's voice

It sounds like Maul is only in hologram form and is in the movie for less than a minute.

This is the last mention of Qi'ra. It is unclears what happens to her

Beckett tries to talk his way out of trouble with Han, but Han shoots first and kills Beckett

The movie ends with Han and Chewie going to a new planet to find Lando.

Han hugs Lando, similarly to how Lando hugs Han in ESB. While hugging, Han steals Lando's cheat card he kept in his sleeve.

Han goes all in on his sabacc hand, winning Lando's Falcon

Han and Chewie fly the Falcon, stating they need to go to Tattoine to meet a "big time gangster" presumably Jabba the Hutt, although Jabba is not mentioned by name

No Boba Fett
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Post by: sphagnum on May 13, 2018, 11:10:41 PM
omg :rofl

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Did they really have to explain the origins of his fucking name?

And Darth Maul? Jesus christ what? Might be the most cynical thing about the movie.
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Are you sure these aren't fake? Because that's dumber than I expected.

They're accurate. And
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Maul makes perfect sense after TCW. I'm very glad to see that Lucasfilm is willing to include canon elements that might confuse a general viewer since it demonstrates their commitment to unified canon.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on May 13, 2018, 11:38:34 PM
Sounds like it's better than a lot of people [including me] thought it was going to be, so I'm happy about that.
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Post by: sphagnum on May 14, 2018, 12:25:40 AM
omg :rofl

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Did they really have to explain the origins of his fucking name?

And Darth Maul? Jesus christ what? Might be the most cynical thing about the movie.
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Are you sure these aren't fake? Because that's dumber than I expected.

They're accurate. And
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Maul makes perfect sense after TCW. I'm very glad to see that Lucasfilm is willing to include canon elements that might confuse a general viewer since it demonstrates their commitment to unified canon.
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I think it's less for canon and more for toy sales.

They don't need to shove him into a 30 second cameo to sell toys, he's already popular.
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Post by: Momo on May 14, 2018, 12:32:22 AM
Yeah he's super super popular after TCW and Rebels
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Post by: Momo on May 14, 2018, 12:47:20 AM
yes he is already popular with kids (to the point where they dont need to include him in this movie to sell *spoiler* toys) and yes he was included so they can have a new line of *spoiler* toys. both are true.
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Post by: Momo on May 14, 2018, 07:45:24 AM
:lol Do you actually think the movies care about all about the cartoons and whatever else EU? Because I can assure you they don't.
The cartoons? Absolutely. The EU? That stuff was thrown out mostly. I dont know what you're arguing anymore btw.
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Post by: sphagnum on May 14, 2018, 08:21:55 AM
:lol Do you actually think the movies care about all about the cartoons and whatever else EU? Because I can assure you they don't.

On the one hand I could listen to Pablo, or on the other hand I could listen to a guy on a message board.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on May 14, 2018, 10:09:36 AM
They've also been slowing adding EU things back into cannon, like Thrawn. I imagine the upcoming Star Wars live-action TV series will go even farther in that regard.
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Post by: Momo on May 14, 2018, 10:25:04 AM
They've also been slowing adding EU things back into cannon, like Thrawn. I imagine the upcoming Star Wars live-action TV series will go even farther in that regard.
Yeah would be nice if the live action was about Ezra and Thrawn and what/where they were during the OT stuff.
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Post by: agrajag on May 14, 2018, 01:13:09 PM
Maul was the best part of Phantom Menace. Don't give a shit about the cartoons.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: shosta on May 14, 2018, 04:45:09 PM
The separatists had the right to self government
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Post by: sphagnum on May 14, 2018, 04:52:44 PM
The separatists had the right to self government

There is a severe lack of focus on the regular Separatists, the average beings who saw that the Republic was unfixable and just wanted freedom. Personally I hope one day we get a book about Cassian's family.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on May 14, 2018, 06:28:58 PM
Maul was the best part of Phantom Menace. Don't give a shit about the cartoons.

Regional Manager Darth Maul? Yeah, he is p. cool.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bluemax on May 15, 2018, 01:09:00 AM
https://twitter.com/DanCasey/status/994758084336627712

Oh man, I missed this. I worked for the company that did some of the tech for Jungle Book, wonder if he's gonna use the same stuff.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on May 15, 2018, 06:54:32 AM
The stuff with Darth Maul in TCW is amazingly fucking awful, would be hilarious to try to see them do that shit in a live action setting
Spiderlegs DM was awful, Obi Wan hate boner, normal legged, vision quest DM was great.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on May 15, 2018, 07:10:39 AM
yeah the version of DM i like is post that bullshit.
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Post by: sphagnum on May 15, 2018, 08:38:38 AM
TCW was, Rebels not so much. TCW basically was the Star Wars brand from 2008 to 2013.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on May 15, 2018, 08:41:24 AM
I'm saying the entirety of the DM arc(s) on TCW was garbage fanfic level dogshit bruv
And I'm talking mostly about his Rebels run
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on May 15, 2018, 09:28:21 AM
https://twitter.com/DanCasey/status/994758084336627712

Oh man, I missed this. I worked for the company that did some of the tech for Jungle Book, wonder if he's gonna use the same stuff.

Why the fuck do they insist on all these prequels instead of just telling the fucking story chronologically. Why release a sequel that you need to release a prequel for a few years later to explain/set it up?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on May 17, 2018, 12:27:23 AM
What the fuck I just realized the robot in this is named L337.  Are you fuckin kidding me
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: etiolate on May 17, 2018, 12:35:14 AM
I didn't realize how big the star wars CG animated shows were until I ran into younger star wars fans that love them and the prequel characters.

For all the shit they get, the prequels did establish a new generation of fans that are attached to those films.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Boredfrom on May 17, 2018, 12:37:47 AM
I didn't realize how big the star wars CG animated shows were until I ran into younger star wars fans that love them and the prequel characters.

For all the shit they get, the prequels did establish a new generation of fans that are attached to those films.

I mean, those Anakin toys were no just sold to fat nerds.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on May 17, 2018, 12:43:19 AM
I didn't realize how big the star wars CG animated shows were until I ran into younger star wars fans that love them and the prequel characters.

For all the shit they get, the prequels did establish a new generation of fans that are attached to those films.

I mean, those Anakin toys were no just sold to fat nerds.
Those Anakin toys were soft, unlike sand.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on May 17, 2018, 12:44:22 AM
I'm sure the latter day Simpsons has devoted fans that grew up with it too.

 :donot
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: kingv on May 17, 2018, 12:26:21 PM
https://twitter.com/DanCasey/status/994758084336627712

Oh man, I missed this. I worked for the company that did some of the tech for Jungle Book, wonder if he's gonna use the same stuff.

Why the fuck do they insist on all these prequels instead of just telling the fucking story chronologically. Why release a sequel that you need to release a prequel for a few years later to explain/set it up?

I am absolutely ready for them to explain wtf happened before TFA.... even if it will probably be mediocre.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 17, 2018, 12:44:12 PM
Yeah, with years of EU books/comics/ect. wiped out by the current movies, it feels like there's a huge gap between RotJ and TFA that deserves to be filled.
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Post by: paprikastaude on May 17, 2018, 12:50:26 PM
I'm sure the latter day Simpsons has devoted fans that grew up with it too.

 :donot

Outside the internet I can't remember speaking to anyone about the show who differentiated between old and modern Simpsons. People love all of the show or they don't. If you aren't a (specific kind of) nerd, you probably like trash like Episode 3 and Two and a Half Men.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on May 17, 2018, 01:07:04 PM
I'm sure the latter day Simpsons has devoted fans that grew up with it too.

 :donot

Outside the internet I can't remember speaking to anyone about the show who differentiated between old and modern Simpsons. People love all of the show or they don't. If you aren't a (specific kind of) nerd, you probably like trash like Episode 3 and Two and a Half Men.

What is this nonsense? I don't know anyone irl who still watches The Simpsons.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mupepe on May 17, 2018, 01:14:04 PM
Everyone I know that likes classic era Simpsons just says "but I haven't watched new episodes in a long time" which is their way of saying they like old Simpsons but not new Simpsons.  To be fair, internet nerds are the only ones I've ever heard draw a line in the sand on seasons though. 
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bluemax on May 18, 2018, 12:00:58 AM
Yeah, with years of EU books/comics/ect. wiped out by the current movies, it feels like there's a huge gap between RotJ and TFA that deserves to be filled.

I'm sure they will, just not until after the new trilogy is done. Disney isn't gonna stop churning out Star Wars stuff any time soon.
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Post by: Atramental on May 20, 2018, 06:54:36 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/I5Fu3UX.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on May 20, 2018, 06:57:35 PM
Salo means salt pork in Russian.

The ration stamps will be distributed tomorrow afternoon, tovarish

 :ussrcry
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Post by: Momo on May 21, 2018, 12:26:26 AM
salt pork would be a great username :lawd
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 24, 2018, 08:43:40 PM
Quote from: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-boba-fett-movie-is-happening-james-mangold-direct-1113273
James Mangold is writing and will direct a Star Wars stand-alone movie centered on Boba Fett, the feared bounty hunter and fan-favorite character.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 24, 2018, 08:46:43 PM
Quote from: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-boba-fett-movie-is-happening-james-mangold-direct-1113273
James Mangold is writing and will direct a Star Wars stand-alone movie centered on Boba Fett, the feared bounty hunter and fan-favorite character.

Ironically, he's also attached to an cop movie called "The Force". :lol

https://variety.com/2017/film/news/logan-director-james-mangold-cop-drama-the-force-1202010578/
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Post by: Great Rumbler on May 24, 2018, 08:51:37 PM
:thinking
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Post by: Tasty on May 24, 2018, 11:31:31 PM
Who the fuck is even seeing this garbage, lol.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Boredfrom on May 24, 2018, 11:33:57 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/I5Fu3UX.jpg)

Holy shit, Salo has a Criterion release?!
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Post by: naff on May 24, 2018, 11:41:47 PM
Had a nap bout half way through this, seats were too comfy. Enfys Nest was a poorly shoe-horned in character. ZZzz
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on May 25, 2018, 10:03:56 PM
Let that be a lesson to folks: Never cast Emilia Clarke in your movie.

Not even once.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: paprikastaude on May 26, 2018, 09:31:11 AM
lol, apparently
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Darth Maul
[close]
is in Solo?  :derp
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Post by: Tasty on May 26, 2018, 10:01:13 AM
lol, apparently
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Darth Maul
[close]
is in Solo?  :derp

He's the secret big bad revealed in the last 10 mins lol.
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Post by: REDPILLALPH ABIGCOCK on May 26, 2018, 11:07:01 AM
Apparently Solo is on track to making LESS money worldwide than fucking Justice League :lol

And possibly Ready Player One :omg

Solo is making less money than the netflix release of Dragon Ball Z Resurrection F
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 26, 2018, 12:39:06 PM
Star Wars? More like Star Bores
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 26, 2018, 01:24:26 PM
It was actually a pretty fun movie

:yeshrug
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Assimilate on May 26, 2018, 01:37:05 PM
It was actually a pretty fun movie

:yeshrug
So Disney isn't even hiding the fact that it wants Star Wars to be like a Marvel movie? Nothing but winking at the audience with one joke after the next?

Not surprising.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on May 26, 2018, 01:49:25 PM
lol, apparently
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Darth Maul
[close]
is in Solo?  :derp

They brought him back in the shows already.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on May 26, 2018, 02:17:00 PM
It was actually a pretty fun movie

:yeshrug
So Disney isn't even hiding the fact that it wants Star Wars to be like a Marvel movie? Nothing but winking at the audience with one joke after the next?

Not surprising.

Excuse me, LUCASFILM.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: paprikastaude on May 26, 2018, 02:22:01 PM
The Solo name origin is one of the most unnecessary "here's how you got this" shit I've ever heard of tbh. It's an entire galaxy of dumb names, you don't need to explain it.

What about that time they made an entire mediocre movie to explain that one sentence in the first Star Wars about where the death star plans are from?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on May 27, 2018, 02:34:29 AM
If Rogue One kept it real about what it takes to stage an armed rebellion (http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=42590.msg2230443#msg2230443) Solo keeps it real about what it takes to power and maintain an economy dependent on extractive industries and that was a pleasant surprise (along with the first third being Starship Troopers), especially coming from the buzz saw that is Ron Howard. Thankfully no one actually talks about it in dialog so we can be spared an encore of The Last Jedi class war hot takes.

The last third is a fumbling didactic Western with uneven pacing but that's fun in an ironic way because those movies are actually fumbling and uneven but everyone pretends they're great filmmaking, sort of like Star Wars. #meta

Aside from the Ron Howard shite (which, thank god, was minimal) I guess my only real complaint was that the plot took a hard detour at the end and made these capers about the Rebellion but at least that gave them an excuse to stick in a Two Tubes cameo.

The highlight of the movie was being rewarded for knowing the names of all the bounty hunters sent to hunt Han Solo in Empire Strikes Back with a mild joke.

:expert
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Post by: bluemax on May 27, 2018, 03:29:12 AM
Solo totally didn't need to be made and felt completely superfluous and in many ways detracts from the original mythos.

But I still enjoyed it more than Rogue One or The Last Jedi. It was by no means a great movie, but it was more cohesive than TLJ and the characters were less shitty than R1.

It also had one of the randomest Star Wars lore pulls possible which had to have been a Miller/Lord thing.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF7JpeOdHmQ
[close]

Let that be a lesson to folks: Never cast Emilia Clarke in your movie.

She's on track to be the new Summer Glau.
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Post by: Kara on May 27, 2018, 03:51:02 AM
 :lol I can't believe that's canon now.
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Post by: Freyj on May 27, 2018, 10:35:39 AM
Thought this was 20x better than R1. What’s with the RT fan scores? What’re nerds mad about now other than it being mostly unnecessary?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on May 27, 2018, 12:42:36 PM
each new star wars flick is an entertaining enough trip to the cinema that piece by piece dismantles the strength of the whole.
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Post by: VomKriege on May 27, 2018, 01:03:19 PM
The Solo name origin is one of the most unnecessary "here's how you got this" shit I've ever heard of tbh. It's an entire galaxy of dumb names, you don't need to explain it.

Oh no.
Did Han get his jacket, blaster, name, space chess board and starship in a very active afternoon, like Indiana Jones ?
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Post by: nudemacusers on May 27, 2018, 01:29:54 PM
not that star wars was ever 'smart' but everything with the 'nu cinematic' output is just zzz inducing or dumb. TFA was aight as a meta wink nudge nudge to the audience that the slate was being cleared (even so far as to use production's REAL SETS in the marketing!) and being returned to the foggy memories of what we think SW should be, too bad RO was boring fan wank, and TLJ was so aggressive in undercutting everything that took place in TFA (while also having some extremely Ted Danson writing and plot devices) that I got the feeling they were just winging it and rolling with the tide of the cultural zeitgeist vs fleshing out a proper 3 movie arc...

then I come to find they more or less are actually winging it. welp. and now we have another nostalgia mining attempt that nobody really wanted given it doesn't move anything forward in the universe. at least marvel's 100-movie-long edging session had clear overarching plot, and now has finally let the audiences spurt a little, even if they pinched the tip before letting us completely clear the pipes.
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Post by: nudemacusers on May 27, 2018, 01:30:51 PM
plus emilia clarke is trash #BLAMEWOMEN  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Post by: Kara on May 27, 2018, 02:08:13 PM
The Solo name origin is one of the most unnecessary "here's how you got this" shit I've ever heard of tbh. It's an entire galaxy of dumb names, you don't need to explain it.

Oh no.
Did Han get his jacket, blaster, name, space chess board and starship in a very active afternoon, like Indiana Jones ?

Nah, that's spread out over around 2 years.

His name origin is amusing in that he gets it in a moment of peak individuality* but helpless dependency that he later undercuts in a Ron Howard "I'm on the wrong side of middle age" dad porn scene.

*His assertion that he has no name and no people could also be interpreted as internalized dehumanization or a coping mechanism (it comes immediately after experiencing personal loss), to be fair. I feel my reading is the one most consistent with his character over all the movies.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on May 28, 2018, 02:49:14 PM
Sith Zabraks on Dathomir is Clone Wars (Lucas) canon.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on May 28, 2018, 04:12:23 PM
The Cartoon Network CG show eventually had Darth Maul?  It was so... not good at the beginning, especially that "movie," aka give a pilot a theatrical release because.  I gave up on it well before that.

Well, it never gets good (ditto for Rebels), but the movies depend on their contents to be coherent more than they should.

There are explicit reasons why he becomes a crime lord. I suspect he's still one in Solo because gangs have a practical use for the Empire and Palpatine likes having a devil he knows there. (There's a Clone Wars episode where they fight and Maul loses but is spared because Palpatine sees him as an asset.)
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Post by: Kara on May 28, 2018, 07:31:50 PM
He conveniently left this out of the marketing for Expanded Universe books, but George's stance on them was that he could alter or change anything in their contents for use in his own works, and not necessarily for the better.

The Witches are Zabraks now too.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on May 28, 2018, 09:21:16 PM
last night a friend of mine thought tarantino was working on Star Wars instead of trek. My first thought was how weird it would be to watch an alien call mace windu the n word
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bork on May 28, 2018, 09:42:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VwVHHVNY4M
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 29, 2018, 08:52:21 AM
Sad to see this is bombing

Still have to go myself

Think its just too much Star Wars in close proximity
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on May 29, 2018, 09:00:37 AM
Sad to see this is bombing

Still have to go myself

Think its just too much Star Wars in close proximity
Nothing to do with volume, everything to do with quality.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 29, 2018, 09:02:17 AM
Im still excited to see it though  8)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on May 29, 2018, 09:07:14 AM
I'm going to watch it tomorrow only so i can be in my star wars fan buddy's ear all week after about how bad it was  8)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: zomgee on May 29, 2018, 09:09:17 AM
Disney/Lucasfilm/Cookie Monster hitting that big dumb reset button and trying to create a fresh expanded universe was such a dumb move.

It's been nothing but "OK, SEE, ACTUALLY, OK, REMEMBER THAT GUY, OK, WELL, SEE..."
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on May 29, 2018, 09:12:28 AM
What’s Bobby ‘s take on this? Are there babies buckling up?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 29, 2018, 09:46:48 AM
There is a large piece of me that hopes that Disney whores the franchise out to such a degree that it will turn all fans off to SW. I gave up on being a fan after AOTC and thought everyone else should have too.

But I know that will never actually happen, because fandom has no bottom to it when males base part of their identity off of your entertainment product. (See: WWE, Final Fantasy, Cleveland Browns Football, DC movies)

The more you shit down their throats the stronger it makes their resolve to keep chugging.

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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 29, 2018, 09:51:04 AM
As someone that has a SW tattoo I feel slightly insulted

Im not even a hardcore fan, just like it a lot
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on May 29, 2018, 09:57:17 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmPPxQnaGDY
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on May 30, 2018, 11:27:22 PM
The Solo name origin is one of the most unnecessary "here's how you got this" shit I've ever heard of tbh. It's an entire galaxy of dumb names, you don't need to explain it.

Shut up.

I am still holding out for the glorious explanation for Mon Calamari
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on May 30, 2018, 11:28:03 PM
That piss joke was just...  :heh

Why
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 31, 2018, 01:49:03 PM
As 'Solo: A Star Wars Story' Flops, Are Movies About White Men Box Office Poison?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/05/29/as-solo-a-star-wars-story-flops-are-movies-about-white-men-box-office-poison/
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Post by: paprikastaude on May 31, 2018, 02:43:47 PM
climate change denier-tier logic up in that article name
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on May 31, 2018, 02:46:01 PM
That es jay double yoo robot was the worst, they gave her wide hips and everythinf
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on May 31, 2018, 03:26:11 PM
Ron Howard makes a Star Wars movie that bombs, providing incontrovertible proof that he's a hack, and it gets swept up in der Kulturkampf bullshit. All I taste is ash. All I feel is emptiness.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on June 01, 2018, 03:15:39 AM
https://twitter.com/bobbyrobertspdx/status/1002212270410088450

https://twitter.com/bobbyrobertspdx/status/1002213334962192385
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Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 06, 2018, 09:45:52 PM
oh god, that's too good :lol
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Post by: Tasty on June 06, 2018, 09:57:09 PM
Speaking of Star Wars edits and Britney Spears

https://twitter.com/rachlikesbands/status/955869025778765826?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Edit- Ugh she deleted it wtf.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on June 07, 2018, 08:44:32 AM
"Last Jedi" started burying the thought by Luke Skywalker himself in just a few minutes to start. As soon as revealed, Luke was exhausted and closed his mind. But was there really a need to let Luke throw away the light saver? The depiction of this kind should have been the work of a robot chicken that is a parody. If you show that you want to refuse, you should have just returned it to Ray or just drop it. The abandoned Saber was coincidentally found on the ground, but there is a possibility that it could not be recovered by falling into the sea as it was. The slippery comedy sense only invites disillusionment. It is the thought of long-running fans that makes light saber shine.

And the new Star Wars Force will abandon its dignity and abandon its dignity. Searching for how to destroy the shield with 'Force of Force' When Fins mouths with 'Let's use the force', Han solo warned that "Force is not like that." However, suddenly in the "last Jedi", depictions that doubt that "Force is not such a thing" will appear dramatically and often. Leia thrown into outer space flies like Krypton star and survives and Rei and Cairo Len make Skype calls through the Force. Luke's alter ego suggests that the future Star Wars "is already there". Like the strange Pogue which nests without permission inside the Millennium Falcon that should be the place of remembrance, "the last Jedi" enters the sanctuary with shoes.

Snook eventually was not revealed to anyone but died shabbly without being given dignity.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 07, 2018, 08:48:01 AM
Quote
Rei and Cairo Len

 :rage
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on June 07, 2018, 09:09:24 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/fixingmovies/comments/7k5vsi/fixing_the_last_jedi_the_way_marcia_lucas_would/

:leon
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on June 08, 2018, 01:20:54 AM
https://vimeo.com/224132896

:heart

The unsung hero of the original Star Wars trilogy. (Seriously, she won an Oscar for editing, and if you look at the original cut of the trench run you can see why.)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bluemax on June 08, 2018, 02:25:49 AM
And then George paid a bajillion dollars to have the building with her name bulldozed at USC and replaced with a bigger building with his name on it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on June 20, 2018, 03:33:12 PM
http://collider.com/star-wars-spinoffs-on-hold/

RIP Bobby :bobby
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on June 20, 2018, 03:41:42 PM
I hope (keyword: hope)  Disney rethinks their strategy and only releases a star wars film once every 5 to 7 years.  :doge

Quality > Quantity
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: nudemacusers on June 20, 2018, 03:44:26 PM
I hope (keyword: hope)  Disney rethinks their strategy and only releases a star wars film once every 5 to 7 years.  :doge

Quality > Quantity
TFA and TLJ were barely quality so maybe just skip altogether.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on June 20, 2018, 03:50:31 PM
I hope (keyword: hope)  Disney rethinks their strategy and only releases a star wars film once every 5 to 7 years.  :doge

Quality > Quantity

In theory I was OK with them alternating Episodes and Star Wars Stories every year, but they lost me with RO, TLJ and Solo all in a row. TLJ in particular -- I don't care about Ep 9 and it would take a hell of a hook to get me interested in Eps 10-12, or any of the movies Rian Johnson and the GoT guys do.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on June 20, 2018, 04:02:28 PM
I would be ok with a bunch of star wars movies if they weren't directly tied to the legacy content.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Huff on June 20, 2018, 09:59:07 PM
My gf” I can’t believe your gunna make me watch Star Wars, there’s like 10 of them”

Me “there’s only 3”
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Bore Expert on June 20, 2018, 10:27:48 PM
I actually liked Solo 🤷‍♂️

Thought Last Jedi was complete shit though so that probably makes me worse than Hitler in the eyes of Ree. I probably won’t be getting a Christmas gift from Bobbity this year 😥
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 21, 2018, 02:23:48 AM
Why would you want to watch star wars if you dont like tie fighters and shit?

75% of me loving star wars as a kid was rewatching the battles
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Oblivion on June 21, 2018, 02:50:21 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VwVHHVNY4M

That was actually quite awful.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Just like a Tarantino flick :smug
[close]
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Post by: VomKriege on June 21, 2018, 04:18:31 AM
http://collider.com/star-wars-spinoffs-on-hold/

RIP Bobby :bobby

Gamergate won  :(
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 27, 2018, 01:31:51 PM
https://twitter.com/AzulaAr/status/1003351288111759361/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.avclub.com%2Fajax%2Finset%2Fiframe%3Fid%3Dtwitter-1003351288111759361%26autosize%3D1

weird. tweet error. lets try this one then

https://news.avclub.com/a-small-group-of-star-wars-fans-has-declared-rebellion-1827172702
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 27, 2018, 01:35:47 PM
:nope Being a Star Wars fan

:ohyeah Just enjoying Star Wars movies
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on June 28, 2018, 11:36:59 AM
https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/1011985725179379713
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on June 28, 2018, 06:27:09 PM
People who don't like the Last Jedi are prejudiced against anime
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on June 28, 2018, 08:39:25 PM
People who don't like the Last Jedi are prejudiced against anime

The fuck you just say to me?
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Post by: Tasty on June 28, 2018, 08:40:17 PM
Also, it's great Rian loves his own movie. Good for him. I was really worried there for a second that he secretly hated it and all his engaging of trolls on Twitter was an elaborate ruse.

As long as he likes it, I guess that's all that matters!

(https://i.imgur.com/O8vzOi1.png)
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Post by: Mandark on June 28, 2018, 08:55:09 PM
TLJ wasn't great but I truly don't get the backlash against the Luke Skywalker arc.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Assimilate on June 28, 2018, 09:10:58 PM
Watching this franchise burn to the ground like :phil

Now only if Marvel was next   :rejoice
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on June 28, 2018, 09:24:38 PM
The worst part of this fucking franchise (right now at least) is if you're even mildly negative on a movie, you're on the same "side" as the garbo alt-right bitches and the jamokes that are ponying up their own cash to remake a movie they don't own the rights to.

Like, sometimes it's OK for some people to not like a movie that much.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mandark on June 28, 2018, 09:29:34 PM
I just realized that TLJ redpilled Cindi.
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Post by: agrajag on June 28, 2018, 09:31:32 PM
I feel that any director that tackles a Star Wars film is in a lose/lose situation when it comes to pleasing people. A segment of the fanbase will be pissed off no matter which direction they go in. Try to please fans by doing a bunch of fanservice? People will complain that it's not taking enough risk, it's stale, etc. Make it ultra woke and progressive, and you piss off the incels/MRA's who seem to be very loud portion of the fanbase. Try to please the incels and skirt any kind of social progress that's occured in the last  40 years since the first movie was released, you piss off millenials.

Besides all that, it is a franchise that's been put on an impossible pedestal (even though the original movies are basically an amalgamation of fairy tales re-interpreted with visually stylish retro-sci-fi sensibilities) and Joe Bloe has his own idea of what the next should be.

There's no winning.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on June 28, 2018, 10:23:36 PM
TLJ wasn't great but I truly don't get the backlash against the Luke Skywalker arc.

#Not my Skywalker

manbabies building up unmatchable and unrealistic expectations.

The worst part of this fucking franchise (right now at least) is if you're even mildly negative on a movie, you're on the same "side" as the garbo alt-right bitches and the jamokes that are ponying up their own cash to remake a movie they don't own the rights to.

Like, sometimes it's OK for some people to not like a movie that much.

I don't know. Not that difficult for me. As long as some one broaches their discussion in normal person tones and isn't dipping into ruined my childhood tropes, Social Justice Warriors are ruining Star Wars argumentation, or overly analytical Star War is the deepest piece of pop culture ever, I think its pretty easy to distinguish. I was mixed on TLJ but I don't have any fear that anyone would ever mistake me for being part of that knuckle-dragging crowd. I think the people who tend to agenda post on stuff like Star Wars are as obvious as the Assimilate's of the world.

At the risk of sounding like some triggered manchild shitlord, I think my least favorite thing about the movie and the trilogy so far is probably Rey.

For me she's been fine. She was really good in the first one. Like nearly every character I found her less good in the 2nd one but I honestly think that was mainly a plotting issue.  Same as with Finn who was the best part of the first movie to me and then absolutely destroyed in the 2nd movie. I'm hoping since JJ is back for the 3rd, the characters all become more fun and evolved and assume their final form.
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Post by: Tasty on June 28, 2018, 11:37:18 PM
I liked her more in 2 because she had shades of being more than just an overpowered Luke expy.

Like Wrath there's a lot of individual parts I like in TLJ, but the whole is just... yick.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 29, 2018, 12:52:22 AM
At the risk of sounding like some triggered manchild shitlord, I think my least favorite thing about the movie and the trilogy so far is probably Rey.

I liked her in TFA, think Daisy Ridley is ok in the role, and actually like that she isn't some long lost Kenobi/Skywalker. But I seriously wonder why in the hell she's the protagonist? (in before diversity bitching, as that's not my problem). Like she's super powerful just because, her primary motivation was finding her parents which amounted to nothing, and she's basically a designated protagonist. Any time I think of the ST I find myself liking the idea of Finn being the protagonist and Jedi a lot more. An escaped storm trooper who is kind of a coward finding courage to overthrow his oppressors is not only more compelling but fits nicely as contrast to Kylo's own turn to the dark side and betraying his family. Not sure what Rey's deal is, as you can also argue that Luke was the real protagonist of The Last Jedi and Rey was just there to be used by Luke and Kylo to fuck with each other (How come I haven't seen scorching hot takes from bloggers about this?).

Rey reminds me a lot of Lightning from FFXIII. She's really powerful and the protagonist but I struggle to think of defining traits of hers that aren't just strange call backs to more famous characters earlier in the series. Lightning is basically the version of Cloud SE thinks people like for example, and most people would describe her as girl Cloud. While Rey's defining features so far is that she's the lead, she's a Jedi, she's powerful, and she flies the Millennium Falcon. Nothing about her character. Hell you can argue that the one thing she had that could count as an arc, her parents, was solved in TLJ. What's the point of her going forward?

Now end me for this long post talking about star wars that even weaves in some Final Fantasy :-\

Mods this account has been hacked by Creepy Stalker
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 29, 2018, 12:54:10 AM
I feel that any director that tackles a Star Wars film is in a lose/lose situation when it comes to pleasing people.

This is pretty much everything in life.

You could literally be saving lifes by providing healthcare to people, and 50% of people in America would say thats not ok.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on June 29, 2018, 08:07:25 AM
I feel that any director that tackles a Star Wars film is in a lose/lose situation when it comes to pleasing people.

This is pretty much everything in life.

You could literally be saving lifes by providing healthcare to people, and 50% of people in America would say thats not ok.
lol wut
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Post by: Mandark on June 29, 2018, 09:14:47 AM
You could literally be saving lifes by providing healthcare to people, and 50% of people in America would say thats not ok.
lol wut
That's literally what happened with the Medicaid expansion.
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Post by: benjipwns on June 29, 2018, 09:21:21 AM
literally :doge
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 29, 2018, 09:35:09 AM
Whatever benji
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Post by: Mandark on June 29, 2018, 09:51:30 AM
literally :doge

Literally. (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=republicans)
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Post by: benjipwns on June 29, 2018, 09:56:03 AM
the New Republic (not the magazine) was destroyed when they fired the Starkiller Base at its capitol, Mandark ::)
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Post by: agrajag on July 01, 2018, 11:32:44 AM
what does this have to do with Star Wars though? Did the Trade Federation stonewall Spacecare reform?  :doge
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Post by: Joe Molotov on July 01, 2018, 02:24:50 PM
Does Galactic Healthcare exist in the Star Wars universe?

It must, there's no way a moisture farmer from Tatooine could afford a plan that would cover weeks in a bacta tank and an artificial arm.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 01, 2018, 09:27:09 PM
PalpaCare  :lawd

That's only accepted at the Emperor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center though.
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Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2018, 05:12:44 AM
Does Galactic Healthcare exist in the Star Wars universe?

It must, there's no way a moisture farmer from Tatooine could afford a plan that would cover weeks in a bacta tank and an artificial arm.
Come on, you think Luke was paying for that? And not the princess funding a galactic rebellion taking care of him? Plus who knows what Obi-Wan left him, and then Yoda, they probably made calls all the time "you wish to sell your stocks at [this price]" then bet on the other side of the sale. Look at how those dopes were hanging out in palaces and running things in the prequels.

The Empire's GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE solution seemed to be "ignore it, we got more clones" and then "oh, you burned up in lava, here's agonizing pain forever intentionally with a massively heavy suit" the latter being exactly like the systems used in Canada and the UK.

Meanwhile, Luke's FREE MARKET health care gives him a totally fancy hand just a few decades later. Something Trump is likely to leave us, WELL-SIZED, CAPABLE, artificial hands on the cheap.

It's really been a major failure of the new films that we aren't getting these important world building debates like in the prequels, hopefully the Ninth film is simply a debate on the merits of the two positions in front of an impartial set of judges.
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Post by: Atramental on July 02, 2018, 04:15:27 PM
https://youtu.be/bL_PDgczHJc
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Post by: Tasty on July 02, 2018, 04:17:35 PM
:comeon
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Post by: Atramental on July 02, 2018, 04:19:06 PM
 :heh
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Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2018, 04:39:56 PM
that's eight minutes of him just recounting Anakin's plot, then saying Hayden was perfect...because he says "My Master" like James Earl Jones? so just ignore any other parts where he actually acts?

also, i don't think you can describe your own story (about Vader slaughtering people?) as "beautiful"

and where was the theory?!? no no no, preorder cancelled
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on July 02, 2018, 07:10:42 PM
Love won't save you Padme, only my new powers can do that.
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Post by: chronovore on July 02, 2018, 08:59:38 PM
Hayden is a good actor, it's sad that the Prequels managed to make a clown of him -- just as with every other actor in the film -- due to poor direction and dialog by a secretive technology fetishist.
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Post by: chronovore on July 03, 2018, 10:37:54 AM
IT RHYMES, MOTHERFUCKERS.

https://twitter.com/starwarstuff/status/1013725736161763328
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Post by: Tasty on July 03, 2018, 10:39:59 AM
Or they were lazy and reused the same moves.
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Post by: chronovore on July 03, 2018, 10:40:49 AM
Or they were lazy and reused the same moves.

EASY, SATAN.

I guarantee you Rian is fucking clever enough to have it be intentional.
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Post by: Tasty on July 03, 2018, 11:01:09 AM
Lol I'm sure he is too, just wanted to rustle your jimmies. ;)
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Post by: chronovore on July 03, 2018, 11:16:13 AM
https://twitter.com/frodesignco/status/1013923984318947328

Lol I'm sure he is too, just wanted to rustle your jimmies. ;)
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!  :-*
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Post by: Joe Molotov on July 03, 2018, 12:15:12 PM
The triple Death Star. :lawd
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Post by: headwalk on July 05, 2018, 07:06:03 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6eAcFOSOY0

The triple Death Star. :lawd

JJ absolutely livid that they beat him to the idea.

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Post by: warcock on July 05, 2018, 07:10:52 AM
yo why  is a GOAT actor like benicio del toro in this pile of phlegm.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: naff on July 05, 2018, 08:34:36 AM
So you don't understand why he'd act in TLJ. An interesting well made blockbuster that tilts SW nerds. But Sicario 2, Avengers: Infinity War and GotG are fine?
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Post by: Tasty on July 05, 2018, 09:42:14 AM
yo why  is a GOAT actor like benicio del toro in this pile of phlegm.

Because they forgot that Lando was a thing until they hired him.

Only sorta joking.
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Post by: Tasty on July 05, 2018, 09:43:03 AM
Disney: We should put the best actors in these roles to elevate and bring legitimacy to our comic and baby space movies. What can we do with Benicio Del Toro?

Also Disney: Lol idk just give him a 3 minute scene where he makes weird faces and noises in a few movies

The Collector is one of his best roles lol.
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Post by: chronovore on July 05, 2018, 09:47:26 AM
yo why  is a GOAT actor like benicio del toro in this pile of phlegm.

Because they forgot that Lando was a thing until they hired him.

Only sorta joking.

Yeah, I've hear A LOT of shit about why Billy Dee was mentally unfit to reprise the role of Lando in Canto Bight, but that guy who had the red cloisonné flower pin, standing next to Lily Cole, had only one or two lines total.

#itshouldabeenLando
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Post by: Tasty on July 05, 2018, 10:13:05 AM
:confused

Mentally unfit? What?
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Post by: warcock on July 05, 2018, 11:25:37 AM
So you don't understand why he'd act in TLJ. An interesting well made blockbuster that tilts SW nerds. But Sicario 2, Avengers: Infinity War and GotG are fine?

I haven't watched any of those movies. Sicario was amazeballs if 2 is anything like it (unless it's gratuitous milking) i have no idea how you could compare it to this mindfuckingly terrible experience that i subjected myself to, broken up into 20 minute chunks over the course of 2 days. Fucking painful cringe every other scene. Btw has anybody had quality issues on chrome-netflix? It was really low, had to watch on IE.
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Post by: chronovore on July 05, 2018, 12:27:01 PM
:confused

Mentally unfit? What?

Sorry, thirty seconds of google isn't bringing it up, but I was reading that as the main scuttlebutt on why it didn't happen.
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Post by: Flannel Boy on July 05, 2018, 12:43:07 PM
How is this thread 63 pages? The original trilogy isn't even that great.
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Post by: Tasty on July 05, 2018, 12:54:47 PM
:confused

Mentally unfit? What?

Sorry, thirty seconds of google isn't bringing it up, but I was reading that as the main scuttlebutt on why it didn't happen.

LULZ the biggest rumor for Ep 9 is he's coming back in style. (http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/star-wars/news/a860984/star-wars-episode-9-lando-calrissian-return/) He also voiced himself in Battlefront II btw.
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Post by: agrajag on July 05, 2018, 01:07:38 PM
If Billy Dee is mentally unfit, they should give the role to Carl Weathers
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Post by: ToxicAdam on July 05, 2018, 01:09:48 PM
How is this thread 63 pages? The original trilogy isn't even that great.

Empire is a great movie. People still want to believe that someone can recapture that magic again.

Nerds are no different than other junkies. They are just running around spending their money chasing that dragon. Trying to get that hit that will remind them of the first time.

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Post by: Flannel Boy on July 05, 2018, 01:20:40 PM
How is this thread 63 pages? The original trilogy isn't even that great.

Empire is a great movie. People still want to believe that someone can recapture that magic again.

Nerds are no different than other junkies. They are just running around spending their money chasing that dragon. Trying to get that hit that will remind them of the first time.

Empire is definitely the best of the bunch, but Return of the Jedi is all kind of meh, the prequels are crap, and all the new movies are forgettable.

Nerds are not addicted as much as they are obsessive, probably because so many are on the spectrum.
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Post by: ToxicAdam on July 05, 2018, 01:33:10 PM
I think it's less about spectrum tendencies and more about unrequited competitive impulses.

Testosterone gives them this impulse to compete and because they don't get to do it with chasing women or chasing a ball around a field, they direct that energy into fandom of 'a thing'. So, there is this oneupmanship going on where they feel compelled to be "the biggest fan" of whatever. It scratches that itch they can't get in other ways in their life.
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Post by: seagrams hotsauce on July 05, 2018, 02:11:02 PM
:confused

Mentally unfit? What?

Sorry, thirty seconds of google isn't bringing it up, but I was reading that as the main scuttlebutt on why it didn't happen.
He also voiced himself in Battlefront II btw.

i read this and thought "well wasn't that like two decades ago? he could have faded since then" and honestly forgot the new battlefronts happened until i googled bfII to find the exact release lol
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Post by: Tasty on July 14, 2018, 10:07:37 AM
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/star-wars-episode-9-brings-back-billy-dee-williams/1100-6460281/

Stay losing on Star Wars, chrono.
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Post by: Huff on July 14, 2018, 10:28:58 AM
So you don't understand why he'd act in TLJ. An interesting well made blockbuster that tilts

 ::)

 :derp :derp :derp
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Post by: agrajag on July 14, 2018, 01:59:39 PM
Fucking Donald Glover ruined Lando for me  >:(
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Post by: Joe Molotov on July 14, 2018, 04:20:38 PM
Fucking Donald Glover ruined Lando for me  >:(

You were both consenting adults, it's nothing to be ashamed of.
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Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2018, 04:30:49 PM
Fucking Donald Glover ruined Lando for me  >:(

You were both consenting adults, it's nothing to be ashamed of.
um, can we get this confirmed before we start making comments?
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Post by: Tasty on July 14, 2018, 06:06:04 PM
He's PD's type too :dead
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 15, 2018, 12:57:51 AM
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/star-wars-episode-9-brings-back-billy-dee-williams/1100-6460281/

Stay losing on Star Wars, chrono.

I guess they're running out of OT characters to kill off.

I've got good news there too!

https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-han-solo-time-travel-theory/
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Post by: Momo on July 15, 2018, 03:15:45 AM
That theory is unnecessary time travel is already a thing in Star Wars and was a huge part of the Rebels finale 
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Post by: seagrams hotsauce on July 15, 2018, 06:58:53 AM
He's PD's type too :dead

PD is more into dusty Wu Tang affiliates.
a dying and occasionally self-castrating breed
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Post by: Momo on July 20, 2018, 12:58:48 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI7WyhWZkzk&feature=youtu.be
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Post by: Tasty on July 20, 2018, 01:23:12 AM
Prequel era :donot
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Post by: agrajag on July 20, 2018, 01:30:47 AM
Parts of that look better than the CGI in AotC
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Post by: Momo on July 20, 2018, 02:22:38 AM
Prequel era :donot
Your loss, Clone Wars is amazing =P
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Post by: Atramental on July 20, 2018, 10:10:39 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/i5W2Mn2.jpg)
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Post by: agrajag on July 20, 2018, 10:16:34 AM
Solo was the only one I thought was right shut, mate.

And even it had its moments.
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Post by: Tasty on July 20, 2018, 11:17:01 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/i5W2Mn2.jpg)

Poor imitation of the Miyamoto Zeruda meme.
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Post by: seagrams hotsauce on July 20, 2018, 12:20:31 PM
rogue one wasn't bad cuz it was "too epic, bro" it sucked cuz it was a completely superfluous story that was as portentous as the nolan batmans. forgive me for wanting an ounce of fun when i go see a space opera for children
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 20, 2018, 12:32:13 PM
I've missed out on nearly all the animated Star Wars shows. Maybe that will be my next project. Which one do I need to start with?
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Post by: sphagnum on July 20, 2018, 08:03:40 PM
I've missed out on nearly all the animated Star Wars shows. Maybe that will be my next project. Which one do I need to start with?

Droids, from 1985.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Yeti on July 20, 2018, 08:25:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC2Q6ANLXQ0
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Post by: Momo on July 21, 2018, 01:46:28 AM
I've missed out on nearly all the animated Star Wars shows. Maybe that will be my next project. Which one do I need to start with?
Start with clone wars to date then Rebels (first season is rough coming from CW but the payoff will be worth it) then back to new seasons of clone wars.
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Post by: sphagnum on July 21, 2018, 02:27:24 AM
Watch Genndy Tartakovsky's Clone Wars microseries first. It's not canon but it's really good and the whole thing is on YouTube. The dvds have been out of print for years so I don't think Lucasfilm cares.

Then watch Filoni's CGI The Clone Wars series, which is canon. It was originally meant to respect Genndy's series, hence why characters like Ventress and Grievous show up without introduction, but over time veered off into its own thing because George was doing what he wanted. Use the chronological episode guide for TCW since it was produced out of order. https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-the-clone-wars-chronological-episodeorder

Then watch Rebels, which is also canon.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on July 21, 2018, 01:30:35 PM
thx. Now that I think about it, I may have watched like a season or something of clones wars. I'll have to try to remember where I stopped.

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Post by: Yeti on July 21, 2018, 03:40:01 PM
The first season of Clone Wars is terribad, but it gets pretty good aside from a few episodes here and there
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Post by: Himu on July 22, 2018, 09:15:48 AM
Rogue One still sucks. TLJ is still a toothless, bad movie. Still haven't seen Solo, skipping Ep 9. Star Wars is dead.

:rejoice TLJ for killing the Star Wars dream :rejoice
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 27, 2018, 05:46:56 PM
https://io9.gizmodo.com/carrie-fisher-and-mark-hamill-confirmed-for-star-wars-1827933278

Lando confirmed. RIP chrono's opinions on anything Star Wars ever again. :ufup

Also, "unused footage," where have I seen that pop up before...

(https://i.imgur.com/5J2M7AR.png)

This is going to be an amazing clusterfuck.
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Post by: paprikastaude on July 27, 2018, 05:49:10 PM
:confused
Didn't Disney CEO Lady herself confirm no Leia after her passing? Even corrected one of Fisher's relatives after saying she could still be in 9.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 27, 2018, 05:49:55 PM
AFAIK they only said no CG Leia.

Which I would be fine with honestly, make it make sense for the story instead of shoehorning in footage from another film. :idont
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Post by: Momo on September 18, 2018, 03:44:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zuip7qlmWO0
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on September 27, 2018, 03:01:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae2Cxy8sswk
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on October 01, 2018, 11:08:21 AM
Man, that rendering style is ugly as hell.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on October 01, 2018, 11:12:55 AM
Rendering style is fine, the character designs are off.
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Post by: Momo on October 01, 2018, 01:12:03 PM
I hated Rebels at first, so im willing to give this a season
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on October 01, 2018, 03:53:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae2Cxy8sswk
Initial impression: Star Wars for babbies  :doge

spoiler (click to show/hide)
in before "star wars was always for babbies".  :stahp
[close]
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Post by: agrajag on October 01, 2018, 04:21:00 PM
That art style looks like that Nintendo Switch Mecha game.
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Post by: team filler on October 01, 2018, 04:21:50 PM
star fox a better franchise than star war
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on October 01, 2018, 04:23:44 PM
star fox a better franchise than star war

:lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on October 01, 2018, 04:26:35 PM
star fox a better franchise than star war

Fewer bad releases too, actually.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on October 01, 2018, 05:01:13 PM
the art style is miles better than Clone Wars and Rebels. On the other hand, it seems to be geared towards a younger audience and now this is what I call pod racing shit? I'll check it out still.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: MMaRsu on October 01, 2018, 05:40:33 PM
If you were a fan of the Thrawn trilogy, is it worth watching Rebels for that or no?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on October 01, 2018, 06:55:23 PM
Rebels was already geared to a younger audience than Clone Wars, how much younger can they go?

I don't know, I skipped those both, the art style made me barf. This looks more digestible to me.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on October 01, 2018, 11:38:18 PM
More Captain Phasma. :rejoice
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on October 02, 2018, 05:24:22 AM
star fox a better franchise than star war

Fewer bad releases too, actually.

Fewer good releases too :teehee
Nintendo's "quality over quantity" focus! :lawd

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:miyamoto
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Atramental on October 02, 2018, 11:04:08 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/0aiQ2Nt.png)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 02, 2018, 11:09:58 AM
More Captain Phasma. :rejoice

Phasma got jobbed.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 02, 2018, 01:30:40 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/0aiQ2Nt.png)

It's like poetry. :ohhh
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on October 02, 2018, 01:45:57 PM
More Captain Phasma. :rejoice

Phasma got jobbed.

It's not an episode of Zeta Gundam if a tier 2 character doesn't die unceremoniously and anticlimactically. :foxx

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Roberto :brazilcry
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on October 02, 2018, 01:48:30 PM
TLJ was a bad ep of Zeta Gundam, which was most of them.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on October 02, 2018, 01:51:01 PM
Zeta extols the virtues of the popular front and is thus the most ideologically correct Gundam. :hmph
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on October 02, 2018, 02:56:06 PM
Zeta extols the virtues of the popular front and is thus the most ideologically correct Gundam. :hmph

Half of Zeta is a snore, Kamille is a poor replacement for Amuro, and remember the episode when kid takes a Gundam? You've got a few episodes that are good plus the ending. Zeta being a good Gundam series is a meme.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on October 02, 2018, 03:08:58 PM
As the progenitor of the "The Last Jedi is an episode of Zeta Gundam" observation I feel the need to state that that's not an endorsement of Zeta Gundam. (That came to me when there was a prolonged car chase between irrelevant numbers of capital ships, for example.)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 02, 2018, 03:18:20 PM
Zeta extols the virtues of the popular front and is thus the most ideologically correct Gundam. :hmph

Half of Zeta is a snore, Kamille is a poor replacement for Amuro, and remember the episode when kid takes a Gundam? You've got a few episodes that are good plus the ending. Zeta being a good Gundam series is a meme.

Kamille? That's a girl's name. :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 02, 2018, 04:15:23 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/X42royz.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: MMaRsu on October 02, 2018, 04:17:33 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/X42royz.jpg)

Jesus christ nooooo Rumbler what have you done to my mind  :-\
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on October 04, 2018, 06:23:43 AM
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/star-wars-jon-favreaus-tv-series-details-revealed-1149194
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on October 08, 2018, 02:28:21 AM
https://twitter.com/PTSDGuts/status/1048607343447920640
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 15, 2018, 12:31:23 AM
Cross post

Finally watched Solo

Sorry bitter nerds out there the movie is cool and fun. bla bla taking away the mystery bla bla fanservice bla bla

L3 is funny, new Han ofcourse cant fill Fords shoes but does better the Leboef whatever in Indiana. Yes we know Han wont die so they were smart enough to put a love story there that gives it a nice arc. Lando is also cool.

Overall good movie too bad it "flopped"

8 out of 9 star wars
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on October 15, 2018, 02:29:11 AM
The star wars cartoon is kinda shit, like more shit than I could have imagined. Going to skip it going forward and wait till people tell me the later seasons are good.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on October 15, 2018, 02:51:19 AM
https://twitter.com/PTSDGuts/status/1048607343447920640

Remember the time when a central character who helped save the day in ep VII by confronting his fears, standing his ground, and fighting to the death against the big bad using a weapon he wasn’t trained with went into a coma and woke up the next movie as one giant joke when they sold this character originally as an effort of diversity, being the most prominent black character to ever grace a Star Wars movie?

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 15, 2018, 10:56:50 AM
That doesn't sound right from a movie that opened with a Your Momma joke.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Uncle on October 22, 2018, 08:22:14 PM
Apropos of nothing but god damn was TLJ a steaming turd

Well not apropos of nothing, I watch the hour and 45 minutes Plinkett review of TFA again, and was reminded of his expectations, predictions, theories on what might happen next and how TFA gave us some stuff to look forward to

 :sabu  :snoop

Remember the time when a central character who helped save the day in ep VII by confronting his fears, standing his ground, and fighting to the death against the big bad using a weapon he wasn’t trained with went into a coma and woke up the next movie as one giant joke when they sold this character originally as an effort of diversity, being the most prominent black character to ever grace a Star Wars movie?

From the first minute even, wandering around in a daze spraying goop everywhere

It's strange, I haven't rewatched TFA or TLJ since they came out but every cringeworthy minute of TLJ is burned into my brain

Basing an entire movie around fuel, as people come and go from this epic chase scene every few minutes, no one matters, nothing matters

The ground doesn't need to be retread again but more than any other movie you can feel the filmmakers directly speaking to the audience the entire time, "your theories are wrong about this," "you thought star wars was like this but it be like this," "psych"

Honestly I'm not going to see 9 and I didn't expect that this movie could be mismanaged so badly to elicit that reaction

However I will follow the fallout and probably learn more about it than I ever wanted to know from redlettermedia
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on October 22, 2018, 08:46:53 PM
That’s what I meant: the liquid spilling as he walks down a corridor as one big joke. It was the first among many times I would raise my eyebrow while watching TLJ. I immediately bristled me in a negative way. Here’s this character who overcame so much and he’s treated like a joke. To me it was like taking Luke after being attacked the Bantha and inside that healing tube, and when he finally comes out he wanders around the base with healing juice splashing out of the diaper he was wearing inside the tube. Haha, so funny!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Uncle on October 22, 2018, 08:54:32 PM
That’s what I meant: the liquid spilling as he walks down a corridor as one big joke. It was the first among many times I would raise my eyebrow while watching TLJ. I immediately bristled me in a negative way. Here’s this character who overcame so much and he’s treated like a joke. To me it was like taking Luke after being attacked the Bantha and inside that healing tube, and when he finally comes out he wanders around the base with healing juice splashing out of the diaper he was wearing inside the tube. Haha, so funny!

That's an interesting comparison, when we as an audience see Luke in the healing tank we're a little worried for him...did they not think we would be worried for Finn?  Or did we get all our worry out when he was down at the end of the last movie, and trailers show him doing stuff later on so let's just joke about it?

I know that letting him actually commit to a heroic sacrifice at the end would've been one too many heroic sacrifices for the film, but it's not my problem they wrote a bunch of suicidal maniacs into the story, either let him get a powerful sendoff or write a different story so he doesn't end up in that position, just do SOMETHING interesting with him
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on October 22, 2018, 10:29:23 PM
On second thought, it’s more like a Han Solo’s awakening from his carbonite crypt being treated jokingly. In the last movie there’s an emotional send off as Han looks Leia in the eyes as he’s put into carbon for Jabba. Here’s this hero who sacrificed a lot and ended up being taken out of commission. Finn is similar. Then the next movie after that powerful scene they decide to take Han’s revival as light as possible. That’s how I felt about what they did with Finn’s revival and it only got worse from there.

I’ve considered watching the movie a second time as it’s on Netflix now but just writing about it makes me mad. Far more mad than how I felt about AotC.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Uncle on October 22, 2018, 10:43:31 PM
I was going to click like but I don't "like" that thinking about it inspires anger, but I agree, and that is a better comparison

I've been wondering to what extent people who liked the movie at first have experienced a fridge logic sort of moment, and might look on it differently a year later

Not everyone watches detailed breakdowns of its problems, nor would even agree if they saw them, but still I wonder what affect time has had on it

I think it even makes TFA so much worse in retrospect, if you try to watch the two back to back you know what's coming for all these characters, you watch the helicopter scene at the end with Rey handing over the lightsaber and it just utterly falls flat
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on October 22, 2018, 11:12:43 PM
It makes me angry because it’s so condescending as entertainment and we are expected to like it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on October 23, 2018, 01:15:32 AM
I loved it. Still do.

The reasons you peeps give for not liking it, I guess I see it, but it's like you're searching for stuff to hate. Clearly Rian loves the films, and wanted to keep as much SW feel as he could while opening up the universe to more possibilities instead of making everyone someone else's daddy.

 :lucas
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on October 23, 2018, 01:54:26 AM
When people offline ask me if I liked a Star Wars movie I almost always reply with, "They didn't make it for me *shrug*," which aside from agitating almost everyone I've said it to is probably the correct line for adult-children to take on Star Wars movies.

I do agree about the arc of Finn, though.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on October 23, 2018, 02:16:44 AM
Zeta extols the virtues of the popular front and is thus the most ideologically correct Gundam. :hmph

Half of Zeta is a snore, Kamille is a poor replacement for Amuro, and remember the episode when kid takes a Gundam? You've got a few episodes that are good plus the ending. Zeta being a good Gundam series is a meme.
Kamille isn’t really a replacement of Amuro, they go through different progressions and have different ideals. Char/Amuro are handled perfectly as well, with some of the best natural progression for characters in a sequel series.

Let’s not forget the Hyaku Shiki. :mouf

I meant replacement as a main character. I don’t see anything redeeming about Kamille.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on October 23, 2018, 02:16:44 AM
Hyaku Shiki :whew
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on October 23, 2018, 02:17:31 AM
Hyaku Shiki IS dope.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on October 23, 2018, 02:26:34 AM
I loved it. Still do.

The reasons you peeps give for not liking it, I guess I see it, but it's like you're searching for stuff to hate.


Nah. It’s just not the tone I like from a Star Wars movie. It takes me out of the movie. Nothing is taken seriously. Rey’s friends are being killed and she’s on way her to save them in the falcon and going,”WHOO I LOVE THIS!!!” or when the rebellion has been killed to like 20 people but they’re all happy and acting like it’s a family reunion. The tone is atrocious and is confusing as to what it wants for communicate to the viewer. Which ain’t exactly picking nits. It’s a core part of film making: making your story believable even if it’s in a galaxy far, far away.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Uncle on October 23, 2018, 06:54:29 AM
opening up the universe to more possibilities instead of making everyone someone else's daddy.

And again nobody has whined about anybody's parentage here

I'm seeing fewer possibilities in the Star Wars universe than ever, the prequels were pretty bad but at least they added a lot more planets, alien races, ship types...they expanded things like tenfold and as a result they were able to make a bunch of pod racing games and toys of the new setpieces and spinoff material that people gobbled up

Nobody wants playsets of alien caretaker nuns or the canto bight casino

They spent the whole movie going nowhere and adding nothing of substance to the star wars universe, even the concepts had been explored previously in other media (grey/disillusioned jedi etc.)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on October 23, 2018, 07:20:50 AM
Get mad about Disney films, kiddos.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 23, 2018, 10:43:23 AM
Oh we’re still deciding if it’s okay to like Last Jedi? I just came in to know how bad Solo is gonna be cuz it’s on the books for family movie night
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 23, 2018, 11:07:10 AM
Its cool, me and my wife liked it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 23, 2018, 11:08:48 AM
Solo>TLJ

(of course I intentionally left out the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in front of Solo)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on October 23, 2018, 11:23:21 AM
I saw AOTC only the once. Same with ROTS. All I know is that I had no desire of ever seeing those ever again and I have a similar feeling about TLJ. So for me, that makes it prequel tier since I have no real recollection of those movies beyond “I never want to see this again.” Since I feel similarly about TLJ I just lump them together.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on October 23, 2018, 11:30:37 AM
I loved it. Still do.

The reasons you peeps give for not liking it, I guess I see it, but it's like you're searching for stuff to hate.


Nah. It’s just not the tone I like from a Star Wars movie. It takes me out of the movie. Nothing is taken seriously. Rey’s friends are being killed and she’s on way her to save them in the falcon and going,”WHOO I LOVE THIS!!!” or when the rebellion has been killed to like 20 people but they’re all happy and acting like it’s a family reunion. The tone is atrocious and is confusing as to what it wants for communicate to the viewer. Which ain’t exactly picking nits. It’s a core part of film making: making your story believable even if it’s in a galaxy far, far away.

Nah. The SW movies have always trivialized momentous stuff. Darth Vader kills his subordinates, Alderann gets blown up, the Death Star and all its live-in slaves and day care centers have been atomized… and it's all a cheery award ceremony at the end, or Darth Vader is redeemed because his half-trained Jedi son grants absolution.

opening up the universe to more possibilities instead of making everyone someone else's daddy.

And again nobody has whined about anybody's parentage here

I'm seeing fewer possibilities in the Star Wars universe than ever, the prequels were pretty bad but at least they added a lot more planets, alien races, ship types...they expanded things like tenfold and as a result they were able to make a bunch of pod racing games and toys of the new setpieces and spinoff material that people gobbled up

Nobody wants playsets of alien caretaker nuns or the canto bight casino

They spent the whole movie going nowhere and adding nothing of substance to the star wars universe, even the concepts had been explored previously in other media (grey/disillusioned jedi etc.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sRS1dwCotw
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on October 23, 2018, 11:39:11 AM
I loved it. Still do.

The reasons you peeps give for not liking it, I guess I see it, but it's like you're searching for stuff to hate.


Nah. It’s just not the tone I like from a Star Wars movie. It takes me out of the movie. Nothing is taken seriously. Rey’s friends are being killed and she’s on way her to save them in the falcon and going,”WHOO I LOVE THIS!!!” or when the rebellion has been killed to like 20 people but they’re all happy and acting like it’s a family reunion. The tone is atrocious and is confusing as to what it wants for communicate to the viewer. Which ain’t exactly picking nits. It’s a core part of film making: making your story believable even if it’s in a galaxy far, far away.

Nah. The SW movies have always trivialized momentous stuff. Darth Vader kills his subordinates, Alderann gets blown up, the Death Star and all its live-in slaves and day care centers have been atomized… and it's all a cheery award ceremony at the end, or Darth Vader is redeemed because his half-trained Jedi son grants absolution.

opening up the universe to more possibilities instead of making everyone someone else's daddy.

And again nobody has whined about anybody's parentage here

I'm seeing fewer possibilities in the Star Wars universe than ever, the prequels were pretty bad but at least they added a lot more planets, alien races, ship types...they expanded things like tenfold and as a result they were able to make a bunch of pod racing games and toys of the new setpieces and spinoff material that people gobbled up

Nobody wants playsets of alien caretaker nuns or the canto bight casino

They spent the whole movie going nowhere and adding nothing of substance to the star wars universe, even the concepts had been explored previously in other media (grey/disillusioned jedi etc.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sRS1dwCotw

I don’t see Darth Vader killing his subordinates trivial or comedic. Same for them blowing up Alderaan. You’re stretching things. When I talk about tone I’m talking about out of place comedic tone. None of the examples you give are comedic. In IV and VI they win. Why wouldn’t they celebrate destroying something that threatened the whole galaxy and a first real victory over the empire?m

This is trivial and comedic to you?

https://youtu.be/YnNSnJbjdws
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 23, 2018, 11:42:08 AM
Hyaku Shiki :whew

There a bit in Wotakoi where some of the characters are arguing over the best waifu in Evangelion, and one guy's favorite is Unit-01.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on October 23, 2018, 11:54:19 AM
Compare the tone, chrono. Finn hits his head lol so fun knee. Then he falls. Bwhahahaha. This tone isn’t Star Wars.

https://youtu.be/mxtf69zsmTU

Fuck Rian Johnson.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on October 23, 2018, 11:56:19 AM
They’re trying to communicate information and get reconnaissance from Maz and can’t do that without it turning into a cartoon.

https://youtu.be/tNTn50Fb3wA

Star Wars has always been like this, you’re right.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on October 23, 2018, 12:10:12 PM
Hyaku Shiki :whew

There a bit in Wotakoi where some of the characters are arguing over the best waifu in Evangelion, and one guy's favorite is Unit-01.

(https://i.imgur.com/DebEiol.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on October 23, 2018, 12:11:05 PM
TLJ starts with a yo mama joke phone call. That is like the only time the movie actually subverted my expectations.

Lando being sexually attracted to his robot assistant didn't subvert your expectations?  :gurl
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on October 23, 2018, 12:17:07 PM
Hyaku Shiki :whew

There a bit in Wotakoi where some of the characters are arguing over the best waifu in Evangelion, and one guy's favorite is Unit-01.

(https://i.imgur.com/DebEiol.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/XQ1cYrU.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on October 23, 2018, 12:20:14 PM
TLJ starts with a yo mama joke phone call. That is like the only time the movie actually subverted my expectations.

Lando being sexually attracted to his robot assistant didn't subvert your expectations?  :gurl

Expecting me, an average movie goer, to have seen a flop like Solo? :gurl

Oh shit they're a different movie. My bad, they're all mixed up in my mind.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: kingv on October 23, 2018, 12:20:58 PM
I still don’t even really understand all the stuff that happened in tlj.

Like Rey goes down into that dark hole and then looks in a funhouse mirror and snaps a lot.

I don’t know, shit was confusing, and Luke was just a trolling asshole. He’s the Master Rahool of Star Wars.

I seriously did not expect them to kill snoke though.

My biggest problem with the new trilogy really is how little so much is explained. Shit just happens, but you only know anything st all about like 4 characters. The new order, Snoke, and everybody not blood related to Luke skywalker and/or directly connected to them is just completely unknowable.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on October 23, 2018, 12:22:45 PM
Star Wars has always been cheesy and lighthearted for most of the run time of any given movie. TLJ probably doesn't really have MORE of that than most of the other movies, but the pacing and when it's delivered flops pretty much every time.

I disagree. Star Wars has cheesy dialogue but it takes that dialogue with seriousness.

Like this scene.

https://youtu.be/h19yG1DXI2o

It takes itself very seriously despite the dialogue.

Comparing them to the TLJ clips above I don’t understand how someone couldn’t see the difference. The only thing that’s truly comedic is handled by specific characters, namely, C3P0 and Chewbacca. In TLJ, everyone gets in on the fun. The tone in drastically different and I don’t understand how this can be argued agaisnt.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on October 23, 2018, 12:24:59 PM
Killing Snoke was cool and dumb at the same time. Like, it was cool because literally no one expected (and idgaf about your 20/20 hindsight stories), but it was dumb because they didn't explain shit about him or why anyone should really care. The original trilogy didn't explain anything about Palpatine's origins, but they fed the audience just enough tidbits to build the intrigue over three films and when he was finally fully revealed in ROTJ he felt that much more of a threat than Snoke.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Uncle on October 23, 2018, 01:08:10 PM
And again nobody has whined about anybody's parentage here

I'm seeing fewer possibilities in the Star Wars universe than ever, the prequels were pretty bad but at least they added a lot more planets, alien races, ship types...they expanded things like tenfold and as a result they were able to make a bunch of pod racing games and toys of the new setpieces and spinoff material that people gobbled up

Nobody wants playsets of alien caretaker nuns or the canto bight casino

They spent the whole movie going nowhere and adding nothing of substance to the star wars universe, even the concepts had been explored previously in other media (grey/disillusioned jedi etc.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sRS1dwCotw
(https://i.imgur.com/uA9KLJE.png)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 23, 2018, 03:09:10 PM
OT rulez, ST droolz.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 23, 2018, 03:25:06 PM
nah, it's fine
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on October 23, 2018, 03:40:08 PM
OT rulez, ST droolz.

PT stools
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on October 23, 2018, 04:03:11 PM
Kinda wish episode 9 is JJ taking subverted expectations to its logical conclusion and it's just a three hour home video of him slowly fisting a donkey wearing a Rian Johnson mask to orgasm.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on October 23, 2018, 04:28:25 PM
Star Wars has always been cheesy and lighthearted for most of the run time of any given movie. TLJ probably doesn't really have MORE of that than most of the other movies, but the pacing and when it's delivered flops pretty much every time.

I disagree. Star Wars has cheesy dialogue but it takes that dialogue with seriousness.

Like this scene.

https://youtu.be/h19yG1DXI2o

It takes itself very seriously despite the dialogue.

Comparing them to the TLJ clips above I don’t understand how someone couldn’t see the difference. The only thing that’s truly comedic is handled by specific characters, namely, C3P0 and Chewbacca. In TLJ, everyone gets in on the fun. The tone in drastically different and I don’t understand how this can be argued agaisnt.

My point was more that Star Wars is pretty cheesy by default and shouldn't be taken particularly seriously to begin with, not that there isn't a difference in the levity between TLJ and other movies or shows in the series. TLJ's levity fails pretty much every time, some because it just isn't funny, but usually because it's almost always at an inappropriate time. That shit is seen in all the movies, and all the TV shows, just (usually, but not always) as bad.

So because Star Wars is cheesy this means we should turn Star Wars into an outright 80’s movie comedy?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 23, 2018, 05:20:34 PM
Revenge of the Sith is much much better than The Last Jedi.  Not sure how this is debatable.

Tryhard opinion
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: kingv on October 23, 2018, 05:57:49 PM
Kinda wish episode 9 is JJ taking subverted expectations to its logical conclusion and it's just a three hour home video of him slowly fisting a donkey wearing a Rian Johnson mask to orgasm.


It’s a better ending than Lost at least
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: kingv on October 23, 2018, 06:09:23 PM
Killing Snoke was cool and dumb at the same time. Like, it was cool because literally no one expected (and idgaf about your 20/20 hindsight stories), but it was dumb because they didn't explain shit about him or why anyone should really care. The original trilogy didn't explain anything about Palpatine's origins, but they fed the audience just enough tidbits to build the intrigue over three films and when he was finally fully revealed in ROTJ he felt that much more of a threat than Snoke.

I think that the lesson Disney took from the prequels is that the details and lore don’t matter, only the characters matter.

There’s some truth to that, like, it doesn’t really matter how a blaster Or a lightsaber works, or why some people can use force powers and some can’t, but they took it some weird conclusion where none of the details matter.

It’s true that the original trilogy is also pretty light on details, but it’s also the beginning so you will take the premise at face value.

It’s pretty dumb that we have had 4 movies in the last 3 years and still really don’t know who snoke is, or how the rebels went from winning it all in ROTJ to being basically back to square one 20 years later.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on October 23, 2018, 06:57:01 PM
Yeah, but it's not like they gave Snoke any character either. He was just kind of there, and then he wasn't. Also, it's pretty unrealistic for them to expect the average viewer to turn to extended universe stuff for explanations of major plot points that should've been in the movies in the first place. They don't even need to go into great detail. It's not like anyone is asking to see Midichloreans or a galactic senator fillibuster a vote on trade resolutions.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on October 23, 2018, 07:12:47 PM
We didn't know what the Clone Wars were until deep in the prequels and they're talked about in A New Hope.
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Post by: Himu on October 23, 2018, 07:30:48 PM
I have only seen ROTS once so I can’t adequately compare its quality to TLJ.
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Post by: Uncle on October 23, 2018, 08:24:27 PM
Yeah, but it's not like they gave Snoke any character either. He was just kind of there, and then he wasn't. Also, it's pretty unrealistic for them to expect the average viewer to turn to extended universe stuff for explanations of major plot points that should've been in the movies in the first place. They don't even need to go into great detail. It's not like anyone is asking to see Midichloreans or a galactic senator fillibuster a vote on trade resolutions.

Literally 1 short line of dialogue in each movie could've put 90% of the complaints to rest, they didn't have to have a "reveal" scene with music swell and gravitas or anything

One bridge officer says to another "where'd they find this guy anyway?" "You didn't hear it from me, but...a ship floated in from the outer rim, badly damaged, with only one survivor aboard.  They say he was only alive from sheer will alone, or from his mastery over the force.  Either way, The First Order owes our existence to his tactical genius, so never question him again, is that clear?"

Or Luke says "we thought all the old Sith masters had been defeated...we were wrong.  We don't know much about Snoke, but he came wandering out of a ruin on Balthakk a few years ago and has been a force to be reckoned with ever since."

Or Kylo says "I know you owe my former master Luke a debt of vengeance for that wound he gave you on Parthax" and Snoke chokes him out and yells "never speak of it!  I will settle my score on my own time."

Literally anything, for 5-10 seconds, in two movies
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Post by: Himu on October 23, 2018, 08:57:59 PM
If Snoak said,”your training is now complete....” as he died it would have fine.
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Post by: naff on October 24, 2018, 01:49:13 AM
ESB is my favorite film, not sure how many hundreds of times I have watched it.

I am wearing a Star Wars T-shirt right now.  Countless hours in KotOR, Galaxies, ToR, Star Wars d20, reading the books, etc.

I wanted TLJ to be good.  I was receptive to accepting it despite potential flaws.

I can forgive and look over the flaws of the prequels.

Attack of the Clones is a better movie than The Last Jedi.  I have almost no interest in rewatching Attack of the Clones, but maybe one of these days.

I have zero interest in revisiting the fuckfest that was The Last Jedi.

THIS is why I love The Last Jedi :preach
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Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2018, 01:58:01 AM
It's not like anyone is asking to see ... a galactic senator fillibuster a vote on trade resolutions.
If you were to mash the Prequel Trilology into a single movie, those are some of the only recurring scenes that should be kept.

That and the entire scene where Obi-Wan pisses off the Jedi Librarian, then goes to Yoda for help, and Yoda directs the question to the Jedi kindergarten students who eventually answer that the information was probably deleted, when that should have been obvious to Obi-Wan from the start.

The fight with Darth Maul would happen in like the first half hour of the film and then it'd just be nothing but scenes like these until Order 66. Then Obi-Wan says "I've got the high ground" and it immediately cuts to Anakin rolling around in the lava like he gave up when faced with the logic.
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Post by: naff on October 24, 2018, 01:59:10 AM
TLJ starts with a yo mama joke phone call. That is like the only time the movie actually subverted my expectations.

 ::)

either a) you dont know star wars and thus didn't have any expectations b) you're lying for effect or c) the film had already been spoiled for you.
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Post by: sphagnum on October 24, 2018, 02:00:15 AM
It's not like anyone is asking to see Midichloreans or a galactic senator fillibuster a vote on trade resolutions.

Speak for yourself.
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Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2018, 02:02:00 AM
For my Sequel Trilology in a Single Film, it'd just Captain Phasma related scenes cut together with the action scenes from the GOTG movies. And maybe some Rogue One scenes.

And then it'd end with a montage of all the old characters dying out of context.

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Then cut to the credits as "Ocean Man" plays.
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Post by: Kara on October 24, 2018, 02:07:58 AM
The politics shit in the prequel trilogy ruled. It's a shame a lot of it got rolled up into the TV shows.
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Post by: naff on October 24, 2018, 02:16:21 AM
A tribute to the frustration of middle management :salute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PjCClrO5SA

Ben Mendelsohn really killed it in Rogue One. Would be down with a story a la Tie Fighter told through the eyes of The Empire, prob a bit off colour for today's political climate tho.
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Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2018, 02:22:36 AM
iirc like half of the Thrawn Trilogy is characters trying to do shit (Thrawn, Luke, Han) running into bureaucracy on both sides
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Post by: agrajag on October 24, 2018, 05:16:42 AM
It's not like anyone is asking to see ... a galactic senator fillibuster a vote on trade resolutions.
If you were to mash the Prequel Trilology into a single movie, those are some of the only recurring scenes that should be kept.

That and the entire scene where Obi-Wan pisses off the Jedi Librarian, then goes to Yoda for help, and Yoda directs the question to the Jedi kindergarten students who eventually answer that the information was probably deleted, when that should have been obvious to Obi-Wan from the start.

The fight with Darth Maul would happen in like the first half hour of the film and then it'd just be nothing but scenes like these until Order 66. Then Obi-Wan says "I've got the high ground" and it immediately cuts to Anakin rolling around in the lava like he gave up when faced with the logic.

We need a whole movie of Inspector Clouseau Obi Wan.
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Post by: naff on October 24, 2018, 06:24:02 AM
TLJ starts with a yo mama joke phone call. That is like the only time the movie actually subverted my expectations.

 ::)

either a) you dont know star wars and thus didn't have any expectations b) you're lying for effect or c) the film had already been spoiled for you.

 :lol

sure thing

You expected to see luke suckin on alien titties for sustenance?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
jokes aside, Rian single handedly sweeping aside the old guard in a single film really surprised me, and to a lesser extent the specifics of Kylos origin. Then there was the raft of flat jokes. The former were great, the latter was the worst part of the film next to finn and Roses subplot, specifically the entirety of Canto Bight should've been cut.
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Post by: naff on October 24, 2018, 06:48:03 AM
Yeah, I do get what you mean.

Just a lot of hyperbole thrown around about this film. It's either amazing (me trolling/some critics "better than ESB" etc) or it's the worst thing ever. I really liked the willingness for change, and overall thought most ideas were well executed but they could've gone a bit harder in the editing room. I walked out of the movie like eh, that was surprising and quite decent. The ham fisted comedy and the canto bight sequence didn't distract me as much as some.
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Post by: kingv on October 24, 2018, 09:32:48 AM
Yeah, but it's not like they gave Snoke any character either. He was just kind of there, and then he wasn't. Also, it's pretty unrealistic for them to expect the average viewer to turn to extended universe stuff for explanations of major plot points that should've been in the movies in the first place. They don't even need to go into great detail. It's not like anyone is asking to see Midichloreans or a galactic senator fillibuster a vote on trade resolutions.

I don’t think most of that explanation is in the extended universe either.

I haven’t read it, but I think even aftermath doesn’t really explain where the new order came from.

I know for certain the comic books provide no details.
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Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 25, 2018, 11:47:17 PM
Solo sucked not even Donald Glover could save it
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on October 25, 2018, 11:53:47 PM
Solo sucked not even Donald Glover could save it

What was bad?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 26, 2018, 12:06:44 AM
Just a series of fan service vignettes instead of a plot basically, and the lead did not feel like Han most of the time (that’s being generous)
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Post by: Himu on October 26, 2018, 12:16:35 AM
Wow a modern Star Wars prequel that’s nothing but fan service and arbitrary plot lines. Why am I so shocked after Rogue One?

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/HospitableMistyCottontail-size_restricted.gif)
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Post by: Mandark on October 26, 2018, 12:19:32 AM
I came out of Solo thinking they should've cast Micahel B. Jordan instead of Glover. It was like he was trying to do an impression and there was very little charisma coming through.

The movie as a whole just felt really flat, despite having several actors that I like and thought did well with what they were given. Say what you will about the MCU, but they found a way to make a series of crowd-pleasers that hasn't happened with SW.
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Post by: Kara on October 26, 2018, 12:21:13 AM
They even manage to make fringe capes into stars. A Star Wars equivalent to Guardians of the Galaxy would be something akin to a Jek Porkins blockbuster.
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Post by: Himu on October 26, 2018, 12:21:53 AM
Shameik moore should have been Lando. He oozes the swag in The Get Down.
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Post by: paprikastaude on October 26, 2018, 06:56:30 AM
No one should have been Lando. I liked some of the footage and the potential of a western themed SW movie, but not if it's based on fanservice and fake characters that depended entirely on their og actors.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on October 26, 2018, 07:29:57 AM
watched solo on the plane. felt like an okay netflix show.

danny glover plays danny glover.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Uncle on October 26, 2018, 08:26:47 AM
Wow a modern Star Wars prequel that’s nothing but fan service and arbitrary plot lines. Why am I so shocked after Rogue One?

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/HospitableMistyCottontail-size_restricted.gif)

Rogue One wasn't the worst thing I've ever seen, but one thing that annoyed me is how it just filled in the gaps with yet more 1% chance of success crazy coincidence that got us to where we are

Like before Rogue One, you could imagine that maybe the mission to get the Death Star plans was maybe a bit mundane, a smooth successful operation

Nope, literally everything that happens in Star Wars hinges on the absolute last seconds before Darth Vader kills the guy holding the disc etc. etc., sure why not

Nothing just kind of happens or works out ever, it's always a desperate struggle

Make an entire movie explaining how Watto got that die that he gambled Anakin with, it was a Jedi dicemaker whose die-making factory was seized by proto-Sith forces and he had to sneak back in with the help of a team to retrieve the secret project he was working on to make a die that could be perfectly influenced by the force, and he got it just before the factory exploded, and like 7 other people almost got ahold of the die before it ended up in Watto's hands, without which there would've been no way for him to gamble away Anakin
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Post by: agrajag on October 26, 2018, 09:05:59 AM
Rogue One was a chef d'oeuvre compared to Solo.
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Post by: Himu on October 26, 2018, 09:39:26 AM
Agreed Uncle. Movie is so forced.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 26, 2018, 09:43:21 AM
You guys overthink this shit waaaaay too much to enjoy it.
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Post by: paprikastaude on October 26, 2018, 09:44:30 AM
Rogue One is a 15 yo edgelord's fanfiction.
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Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2018, 08:59:30 PM
You guys overthink this shit waaaaay too much to enjoy it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BBhNkywMJY
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Post by: Momo on November 14, 2018, 01:25:38 AM
https://variety.com/2018/film/news/star-wars-pedro-pascal-mandalorian-series-1203023818/

finally a star wars thing i actually want to watch
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Post by: agrajag on November 15, 2018, 08:09:01 PM
heads up, the new star wars CG cartoon has salacious crumbs in it.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 23, 2018, 01:16:25 AM
I clicked on some star wars vid and my daugther saw jar jar binks give emergency powers to the chancellor

"Eeee giraffes can't talk!"

She gets it
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 23, 2018, 01:16:52 AM
You guys overthink this shit waaaaay too much to enjoy it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BBhNkywMJY

This video is unavailable in your superior country
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Post by: chronovore on November 29, 2018, 11:03:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wsHRyLWgWg&fbclid
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 29, 2018, 11:40:10 AM
Not a fan of the visual style, but it's a pretty brilliant way to get kids introduced to the original trilogy
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 29, 2018, 04:29:21 PM
You guys overthink this shit waaaaay too much to enjoy it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BBhNkywMJY
Can someone please animate this as Remy from Ratatouille explaining this to a rat town council please? If you close your eyes that's what you'll see.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 12, 2018, 04:56:09 PM
Cast for the Mandalorian Star Wars series:

(https://i.imgur.com/hYPVffh.jpg?1)
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Post by: Tasty on December 12, 2018, 05:02:29 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/bEgkSwc.png)
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Post by: Himu on December 12, 2018, 05:10:33 PM
What is the mandalorian show again?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 12, 2018, 05:13:23 PM
They haven't released a ton of info about the story yet, but it's about a Mandalorian merc [think Boba Fett] who cruises the galaxy, set sometime between Return of the Jedi and The Force Awakens. It'll probably be something more like the Solo movie than the rest of Star Wars.
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Post by: Tasty on December 12, 2018, 05:17:12 PM
Edit- Wait Casio Keyboard is getting his own show :thinking
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Post by: Nintex on December 12, 2018, 06:35:09 PM
Pedro Pascal is Boba Fett?

Wat

Is he gonna bust Tatooine drug runners before he's captured and made into clones?

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After the stories of Jango and Boba Fett, another warrior emerges in the Star Wars universe. The Mandalorian is set after the fall of the Empire and before the emergence of the First Order. We follow the travails of a lone gunfighter in the outer reaches of the galaxy far from the authority of the New Republic.

Sounds exciting :stahp
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on December 13, 2018, 12:50:27 PM
WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY FOCUSING ON THAT STUPID TIME FRAME? It's been done to death! Why not do an old republic thing or something? How much can you milk the same 20-40 year period.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 13, 2018, 03:17:35 PM
WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY FOCUSING ON THAT STUPID TIME FRAME? It's been done to death! Why not do an old republic thing or something? How much can you milk the same 20-40 year period.

Strap in, I think we're gonna find out.
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Post by: kingv on December 13, 2018, 04:02:49 PM
Has there really been that much done between return of the Jedi and TFA? That aftermath book is really the only thing I know about.

I actually think the lack of detail on what exactly happened to turn the end of ROTJ into the beginning of TFA is one of the biggest weaknesses of the new trilogy.
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Post by: Momo on December 13, 2018, 11:59:56 PM
I hope Sabine Wren is in there


EDIT: https://makingstarwars.net/2018/12/is-sabine-wren-in-star-wars-the-mandalorian-and-the-avatar-2-connection/?fbclid=IwAR1dmRDSApXQ4EIGUY7cFWvxIcYpsYyTm-ZAaTIa_hJxMiPUcbEV62WDckQ


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Is Sabine Wren in The Mandalorian? We don’t know. But apparently her helmet is.
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:rejoice
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 14, 2018, 12:20:23 PM
I'm just saying, if Nick Nolte doesn't play some crazy old jedi [or wizard], I'll be really disappointed.
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Post by: Nintex on December 14, 2018, 02:59:33 PM
*scene 3: part 4*

Pedro Pascal as the Mandalorian meets with Jabba el Bar.

Jabba is seen smoking space pot above a stolen Millenium Falcon on a planet called COLUMVIA.

"So you think you can just run around my planet puta? I own this planet you piece of shit"

"Not when my bois from the Space DEA bust your ass you don't"

*tie fighters with sirens approach*
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Post by: chronovore on December 15, 2018, 04:00:04 AM
I hope Sabine Wren is in there


EDIT: https://makingstarwars.net/2018/12/is-sabine-wren-in-star-wars-the-mandalorian-and-the-avatar-2-connection/?fbclid=IwAR1dmRDSApXQ4EIGUY7cFWvxIcYpsYyTm-ZAaTIa_hJxMiPUcbEV62WDckQ


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Is Sabine Wren in The Mandalorian? We don’t know. But apparently her helmet is.
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:rejoice

That page was having some loading issues for me but, :lol at the comment "Gina Carano could look like Sabine Wren if she started working out" — holy shit, what fucking neckbeard is writing this dreck?
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Post by: team filler on December 19, 2018, 05:22:10 AM
https://youtu.be/din23ky_0LM
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on March 18, 2019, 08:00:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v89GEy4chm4

 8)
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Post by: chronovore on March 19, 2019, 03:26:16 AM
:iface
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Post by: Human Snorenado on April 15, 2019, 12:00:13 AM
Hey guys they still makin these star war

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adzYW5DZoWs
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Post by: Momo on April 15, 2019, 01:08:02 AM
no thanks
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Post by: Himu on April 15, 2019, 01:26:18 AM
Snore
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Post by: Momo on April 15, 2019, 01:53:42 AM
https://youtu.be/qM_VnToS68w
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Post by: Great Rumbler on April 15, 2019, 09:09:13 AM
Carl Weathers is in the that new Star Wars streaming series, so I might watch that.
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Post by: Momo on April 15, 2019, 12:41:05 PM
Yeah the TV shows seem interesting to me, the movies NIET.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on April 15, 2019, 01:30:10 PM
I heard you were looking for Star Wars, well here we are.
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Post by: Nintex on April 15, 2019, 01:37:55 PM
Disney went from "safeguarding the cinematic history" and "honoring the legacy of George Lucas"
to
Being a Star Wars crackdealer with their fuckbuddy EA

In record time.
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Post by: agrajag on April 15, 2019, 02:11:52 PM
I kiss Lucas Arts
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Post by: Tasty on April 16, 2019, 10:17:41 AM
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_1600/qix8pbtrbqajvudjvtjv.jpg)
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Post by: Tasty on May 24, 2019, 12:12:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to2SMng4u1k

Obviously the point of the scene isn't the choreography/effects(a lesson the prequels missed by a mile wide), but this is really neat and cool to watch. Wouldn't fit in with the rest of the film at all tho. :ol
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Post by: Tasty on July 03, 2019, 12:44:52 PM
Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker May Feel Like a Different Genre, According to Daisy Ridley (https://io9.gizmodo.com/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-may-feel-like-a-differ-1836054430)

It's always been somewhat evident they had no plan and no idea what they were doing, but I wasn't expecting the cast and crew to be so transparent about it.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on July 03, 2019, 12:54:04 PM
Please be a Horror-Comedy.  :hyper
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Post by: Tasty on July 03, 2019, 12:56:18 PM
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Speaking of answers, though, in the same interview Ridley did confirm The Rise of Skywalker would put the rest the question of Rey’s lineage. “[Director J.J. Abrams’ did say the question is answered,” Ridley said. “So at the end of the film, you do know what the dealio is.”

But it was answered in the last one...? :thinking

Are they really gonna soft-retcon that into "Kylo didn't know what he was talking about" and make Obi-Wan the baby daddy? For real?

Even admitting that the issue isn't put to rest yet is a spoiler. :wtf
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Post by: Great Rumbler on July 03, 2019, 03:23:42 PM
JJ Abrams doing what he does best: getting people interested with neat ideas and some cool mysteries and then completely botching the finale.
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Post by: agrajag on July 03, 2019, 03:24:56 PM
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Speaking of answers, though, in the same interview Ridley did confirm The Rise of Skywalker would put the rest the question of Rey’s lineage. “[Director J.J. Abrams’ did say the question is answered,” Ridley said. “So at the end of the film, you do know what the dealio is.”

But it was answered in the last one...? :thinking

Are they really gonna soft-retcon that into "Kylo didn't know what he was talking about" and make Obi-Wan the baby daddy? For real?

Even admitting that the issue isn't put to rest yet is a spoiler. :wtf

they're just priming you for the D&D fuckery that's to come
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Post by: Himu on July 03, 2019, 04:15:19 PM
Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker May Feel Like a Different Genre, According to Daisy Ridley (https://io9.gizmodo.com/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-may-feel-like-a-differ-1836054430)

It's always been somewhat evident they had no plan and no idea what they were doing, but I wasn't expecting the cast and crew to be so transparent about it.

:lol
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Post by: Occam on July 03, 2019, 06:34:38 PM
While the prequels badly hurt my appreciation for Star Wars, Disney successfully destroyed whatever feelings I had left.
After The Last Jedi I simply don't care anymore. I haven't even watched a trailer of the upcoming movie.
It's quite nice to no longer have any emotional attachment, because no matter what terrible, unoriginal nonsense they churn out next, it can no longer hurt or disappoint me. So I'm ok with how it all turned out. I am free.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 03, 2019, 06:35:44 PM
While the prequels badly hurt my appreciation for Star Wars, Disney successfully destroyed whatever feelings I had left.
After The Last Jedi I simply don't care anymore. I haven't even watched a trailer of the upcoming movie.
It's quite nice to no longer have any emotional attachment, because no matter what terrible, unoriginal nonsense they churn out next, it can no longer hurt or disappoint me. So I'm ok with how it all turned out. I am free.

Amen.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 04, 2019, 05:42:03 AM
The Rise of Skywalker is such a lame subtitle too. If they wanted to inspire hype, should have been something cooler.

Also having "The" prepending every title of the new trilogy feels so lazy. The Force Awakens, The Last Jedi, The Rise of Skywalker. It's a petty complaint I admit, but it harkens how bankrupt Disney's creative process has been (not cash wise obvsly.)
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 04, 2019, 06:36:13 AM
While the prequels badly hurt my appreciation for Star Wars, Disney successfully destroyed whatever feelings I had left.
After The Last Jedi I simply don't care anymore. I haven't even watched a trailer of the upcoming movie.
It's quite nice to no longer have any emotional attachment, because no matter what terrible, unoriginal nonsense they churn out next, it can no longer hurt or disappoint me. So I'm ok with how it all turned out. I am free.

Yet here u are in the star wars thread writinh this butthurt post

The prequels almost killed star wars, these new ones are pretty damn good.

The biggest problem with them is the unrealistic expectations people have.

Looking forward to your whiny post after the new movie, cause you know you will go see it anyway.
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Post by: headwalk on July 04, 2019, 07:01:19 AM
it'd be great if the hundreds of extremely talented individuals that go into actually making these films exist at all had some kind of mutiny against the spastics who keep steering the ship into the rocks.

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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 04, 2019, 07:21:37 AM
Even cooler if people that stopped caring would stop posting

Like the movie came out two years ago

Let it gooooo

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Post by: headwalk on July 04, 2019, 07:25:35 AM
why does it have to be about Y U CARE?

it's fascinating to deconstruct, like some massive military blunder that gets written into history as a result.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 04, 2019, 07:29:12 AM
His post is exactly I don't currr anymore , two years after the fact, he clearly still currrrs

Now if there were some solid ideas and deconstruction...
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Occam on July 04, 2019, 07:38:07 AM
While the prequels badly hurt my appreciation for Star Wars, Disney successfully destroyed whatever feelings I had left.
After The Last Jedi I simply don't care anymore. I haven't even watched a trailer of the upcoming movie.
It's quite nice to no longer have any emotional attachment, because no matter what terrible, unoriginal nonsense they churn out next, it can no longer hurt or disappoint me. So I'm ok with how it all turned out. I am free.

Yet here u are in the star wars thread writinh this butthurt post

The prequels almost killed star wars, these new ones are pretty damn good.

The biggest problem with them is the unrealistic expectations people have.

Looking forward to your whiny post after the new movie, cause you know you will go see it anyway.

Nah, I'm not bitter at all. I know this is hard to believe for someone as emotionally invested as you are, but I really am indifferent now as far as Star Wars is concerned. I don't hate it, I have virtually no feelings either way. And sure, I'll most likely watch it, I'm simply in no hurry to do so and I feel no excitement that a new movie is coming up. It's never been like this for me before, but as I wrote, I am ok with this. It's preferable to constant disappointment.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 04, 2019, 07:40:49 AM
It would be easier to believe if you stopped posting in this thread mate.

Edit no offence but nothing says "Im not over my ex" then when you keep talking about her.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Occam on July 04, 2019, 07:44:41 AM
But I don't keep talking about it. I saw this thread come up, posted my opinion, done.

Edit: Well, and you attacked me so I replied to that, too.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 04, 2019, 07:51:20 AM
Sorry I didn't attack you I'm totally indifferent to your posts, just saw them popping up and I replied.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 04, 2019, 10:21:34 AM
Me, quietly trying to still enjoy STAR WAR, which I genuinely like and don't think is as shitty as everyone else (or used to be as great, which I think is the real problem):

(http://www.funwithcy.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Obiwan_007.jpg)

The entire internet, united at last for the very important goal of shitting on my fandom:

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/5aa2ae71e64526aafbefb0b0062c8c98/tenor.gif?itemid=12320222)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 04, 2019, 10:23:19 AM
Finally we can agree on something   :-[
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on July 04, 2019, 10:24:17 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heeOSwoBOjk&t=634s
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 04, 2019, 11:17:56 AM
Me, quietly trying to still enjoy STAR WAR, which I genuinely like and don't think is as shitty as everyone else (or used to be as great, which I think is the real problem):

(http://www.funwithcy.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Obiwan_007.jpg)

The entire internet, united at last for the very important goal of shitting on my fandom:

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/5aa2ae71e64526aafbefb0b0062c8c98/tenor.gif?itemid=12320222)

Bitch please, you've been shitting on various internet fandoms with impunity for as long as I've known you. This is a karmic rebalancing years in the making. :ufup
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 04, 2019, 11:22:27 AM
Also, really, if you're upset with how everyone thinks Star Wars sucks now, your problem should be with Disney (and/or latter-era George Lucas.)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 04, 2019, 11:26:41 AM
Seriously.

Don't get why they're so mad now either. For many Star Wars is just a joke now. I watched the Ep IX trailer and it was the blandest thing imaginable. Of course they're building a new death star, of course they brought back the emperor. Because Star Wars is a highly limited franchise that should have never existed outside of the original trilogy.

Speaking of the original trilogy, I found a boxset of the original trilogy on dvd at my Half Price Books. It includes the original theatrical cuts as a bonus disc. This set cost 15 bucks and looks great on my tv. I think this set is rare because it costs hundreds on Amazon but I could be wrong. Either way, I have no desire to buy anything Star Wars ever again unless the originals are brought to blu ray or something.

There is ONLY the original trilogy.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Occam on July 04, 2019, 12:08:07 PM
You people know about Project 4K77, 4K83 (and soon 4K80), right?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 04, 2019, 12:10:04 PM
You people know that Project 4K77, 4K83 (and soon 4K80) exist, right?

That's neat but I don't have a 4k tv.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 04, 2019, 12:13:56 PM
There is ONLY the original trilogy.

Even that's tainted by the Special Editions. :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Occam on July 04, 2019, 12:15:52 PM
You people know that Project 4K77, 4K83 (and soon 4K80) exist, right?

That's neat but I don't have a 4k tv.

You don't need a 4k TV for this. There are 1080p versions, too.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 04, 2019, 12:24:54 PM
There is ONLY the original trilogy.

Even that's tainted by the Special Editions. :doge

Which is why I have the theatrical cuts. :rejoice
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: paprikastaude on July 04, 2019, 12:24:55 PM
7 was good, 8 was bad. Will check out 9 and then be done. If a good shit post is in it or some RLM thing, I will still inevitably get a few bits of SW.

But I'm not gonna keep coming into SW threads and say how I'm totally over it ™ yet keep up endless whining - what would even be the point? might as well post on shit sites like reeesetra then :goldberg
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 04, 2019, 12:43:02 PM
There is ONLY the original trilogy.

Even that's tainted by the Special Editions. :doge

The Special Editions would be fine if they took out the CG intro to Mos Eisley, Greedo shooting first [still looks wack no matter how many times Lucas messed with it], the scene with Han and Jabba, the CG dance number from RotJ, and tweaked RotJ's ending [no "Weesa free!" and ghost Hayden Christensen]. All the other changes either don't bother me or I actually like.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 04, 2019, 12:49:10 PM
There is people itt thread that buy every Animal Crossing and Pokemon for 20 years but call Star Wars a limited franchise

 :doge

Don't want to name shame
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on July 04, 2019, 12:49:43 PM
 ::)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 04, 2019, 12:57:58 PM
There is people itt thread that buy every Animal Crossing and Pokemon for 20 years but call Star Wars a limited franchise

 :doge

Don't want to name shame

It's a limited franchise.

it will always be: Empire, bad; rebels, good. It will always be an evil empire versus a rag tag group of rebels. It will always involve the Sith. It will always involve the Jedi. Despite taking place in a galaxy far away, the universe of Star Wars is itty bitty small. It isn't Star Trek, it isn't Cowboy Bebop, it isn't LOGH, it isn't Battlestar Galactica. It's a limited story that was told through three movies that has been expanded far past its expiration date. By contrast, Animal Crossing switched it up far more than Star Wars ever has with New Leaf. Show me evidence you can make Star Wars without Jedi or Sith. I was really hoping Rogue One would be that movie and then it ended the same way Star Wars always ends: Rebels vs Empire.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on July 04, 2019, 01:00:01 PM
some people treat SW as such srs business. If either of you people "didn't care" you wouldn't write screeds about how much Disney ruined it. I was upset by Game of Thrones, but I own that shit, I didn't hide behind some fake ambivalence.

I don't love the new Star Wars movies, but I'll probably go see each and every one of them, as they were a huge part of my childhood. And I will enjoy them for what they are, a mindless blockbuster l, and stuff my face with popcorn and nachos like a good American.

I went to see The Force Awakens opening night, because it seemed like a big deal, but that feeling dissipated. And that's ok. Maybe grown ass people shouldn't treat a new sequel in a long list of franchise installments as an event.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 04, 2019, 01:01:27 PM
There is people itt thread that buy every Animal Crossing and Pokemon for 20 years but call Star Wars a limited franchise

 :doge

Don't want to name shame

The difference is, games are interactive, so even a game that's a 1:1 remake will still offer a different experience from your original playthrough.

Movies don't have that affordance.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 04, 2019, 01:04:05 PM
some people treat SW as such srs business. If either of you people "didn't care" you wouldn't write screeds about how much Disney ruined it. I was upset by Game of Thrones, but I own that shit, I didn't hide behind some fake ambivalence.

I don't love the new Star Wars movies, but I'll probably go see each and every one of them, as they were a huge part of my childhood. And I will enjoy them for what they are, a mindless blockbuster l, and stuff my face with popcorn and nachos like a good American.

I went to see The Force Awakens opening night, because it seemed like a big deal, but that feeling dissipated. And that's ok. Maybe grown ass people shouldn't treat a new sequel in a long list of franchise installments as an event.

I don't see why talking about it means that we care.

We talk about it because we used to care. It should be pretty obvious that at one point in my life Star Wars was a pretty big, special thing to me. I also don't care about Final Fantasy anymore, but it was a special thing to me, and I still talk about it. I don't see how it's hard to understand how someone can discuss something and still be apathetic towards it. I just like talking. I also like talking shit.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 04, 2019, 01:06:16 PM
Movies are also 2 hours not 30 hours

Animao Crossing and Pokemon are as much the same games now as they were 20 years ago. Same casts, same mechanics, same game. Whats the dif with SW?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on July 04, 2019, 01:06:59 PM
honey, you made about 200 posts on TLJ alone and how much you hate it. You may fool yourself, but you're not fooling me.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 04, 2019, 01:07:21 PM
How about the fact that Star Wars is an ongoing saga of movies.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 04, 2019, 01:12:50 PM
honey, you made about 200 posts on TLJ alone and how much you hate it. You may fool yourself, but you're not fooling me.

It was a bad movie.

(https://i.imgur.com/rWjON6H.gif)

You didn't see me talk about Solo.

Oh wait, no one did. :lol

You won't see me talking about Ep IX either, because I won't be seeing it.

Yeah, Star Wars and I had a break up. So what?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on July 04, 2019, 01:15:50 PM
I am not going to have a debate with you on whether you care or not. It's ridiculous. I didn't single you out btw, you did yourself.

And Solo was mediocre, agreed.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 04, 2019, 01:16:16 PM
And Solo was mediocre, agreed.

Haven't seen it! :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 04, 2019, 01:19:26 PM
In any case, I don't see why this is hard to understand. I didn't bump this thread. I don't routinely talk about Star Wars. I saw the thread was bumped, someone posted a link about how Episode IX will be in a new genre as per Daisy Ridley, I laughed at it, liked a post, saw Occam's post, liked it, and said amen. Then some butt hurt folks came in complaining about people don't like Star Wars now and here we are. It was just a routine thing. I'm not going around bumping SW threads, looking to constantly shit on the franchise. I really am done. And really - I don't care. But I saw a bumped Star Wars thread, and in today's world we need all the laughs we can get and I got it.

Not my fault some are mad Star Wars is a fucking joke.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on July 04, 2019, 01:21:28 PM
 :ego
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on July 04, 2019, 02:26:31 PM
The star was animated stuff is still great (except this latest abomination) filoni is the guy that should be in charge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on July 04, 2019, 02:37:29 PM
Parts 1 and 2 of "Twilight of the Apprentice" are some of the best Star Wars stuff made, but they don't really resonate if you haven't watched: all the prequels, all of Clone Wars, Rebels up until those episodes, (and I guess) all of the original trilogy.

Star Wars innit.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 04, 2019, 03:31:23 PM
Hot take:

New STAR WAR is not as bad as a very vocal group of wankers think

Original recipe STAR WAR is not as good as your nostalgia tells you it is

...prequel STAR WAR is every bit as trash as its worst detractors say it is, tho

Search your feelings, bitches. You know it to be true.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 04, 2019, 03:34:35 PM
Me, quietly trying to still enjoy STAR WAR, which I genuinely like and don't think is as shitty as everyone else (or used to be as great, which I think is the real problem):

(http://www.funwithcy.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Obiwan_007.jpg)

The entire internet, united at last for the very important goal of shitting on my fandom:

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/5aa2ae71e64526aafbefb0b0062c8c98/tenor.gif?itemid=12320222)

Bitch please, you've been shitting on various internet fandoms with impunity for as long as I've known you. This is a karmic rebalancing years in the making. :ufup

Nintendo fans, Shenmue fans, and weeaboos deserve everything I've ever said about them, and more tho

:yeshrug

Ultimately I'm not some big huge STAR WAR lunatic. I'm friends with people that are, who own enough toys to sell and put their kids through college, or with every EU book ever. That's not me. I just like to watch some STAR WAR. Being a huge big idiot fan about ANYTHING deserves mocking. But also acting like the choices that some neckbeard director makes in the latter 2010's shat all over your childhood is the act of equally egregious wankertude.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 04, 2019, 03:47:50 PM
I remember naively thinking in my youth that when it was freed from Lucas we would get some pretty cool stuff from a universe where anything and everything could happen. Same with trek.

What a dumbass I was and still am :lawd

It really amazes me too.

The Last Jedi has all the pieces.

A Luke Skywalker in self exile from the guilt that short, brief hint of darkness led him to. Interesting.

Like Skywalker always struggling with the hint of the dark side and its temptation. Great. Luke after all beat the shit out of Vader in pure, raw fury. Great idea. He’s always been impulsive as much as he’s seen goodness in others. Making a human mistake is very much Luke Skywalker. Excellent. Keep it up.

The entire movie hinting at a mass paradigm shift and how the old must be killed. Great. All for it.

A story where the villain realizes both Sith and Jedi are full of shit and tries to pave a middle, gray path. Excellent. Shake things up.

“Join me Rey.” Awesome, we are at the moment the entire film has built up: new orders, out with the past, in with the new.

“No.” :mindblown

Movie that touts it’s time for a paradigm shift the entire story reverts to the status quo.

Ends with the main character whooping in glee while flying a space craft as her friends are annihilated to mere dozens.

Rebels celebrate as if they won when they’ve got like 12 people left.

Paradigm shift movie ends the same way it began.

The most cowardly, safe piece of shit imaginable that tells you Star Wars will always be the same shit. Just stick to the original trilogy. Why bother.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 04, 2019, 03:58:46 PM
Hot take:

New STAR WAR is not as bad as a very vocal group of wankers think

Original recipe STAR WAR is not as good as your nostalgia tells you it is

...prequel STAR WAR is every bit as trash as its worst detractors say it is, tho

Search your feelings, bitches. You know it to be true.

Are u me?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Trent Dole on July 04, 2019, 03:59:56 PM
They're dumb popcorn movies that people ascribe way more to cause their wasn't as much shit to cling to back when they first hit. :-[
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 04, 2019, 04:04:13 PM
It’s funny how people keep excusing bad storytelling with “they're just dumb popcorn movies lol”

Idgi

Attitudes like that is precisely why Katy Perry still has a job as a singer.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 04, 2019, 04:08:11 PM
Hot take:

New STAR WAR is not as bad as a very vocal group of wankers think

Original recipe STAR WAR is not as good as your nostalgia tells you it is

...prequel STAR WAR is every bit as trash as its worst detractors say it is, tho

Search your feelings, bitches. You know it to be true.

New Star Wars is as bad as prequel Star Wars. The casino bit and anything with Finn/Rose was as every bit as bad as anything in the prequels.

You’re just being defensive over dog shit.

Spicy take.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 04, 2019, 04:14:53 PM
All I'm saying is, throw me some bones bros. The new locales and characters are so boring they make me nostalgic for the prequels :holeup

What is driving Rey?

With Luke, he looked to the horizon and wanted something more than life on a farm. Ends up seeing his only family murdered by the Empire, freeing him to pursue becoming a Jedi like his father, which gives him motivation to join the rebellion.

What is Rey’s motivation? Just her parents? That’s it?

From a storytelling perspective the prequels certainly have a lot more there. You ain’t wrong. Which makes it even more utterly baffling.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Occam on July 04, 2019, 04:19:39 PM
The prequels contained so much nonsense, it's hard to believe they were made by the same guy who wrote the first one.
One random hilarious idiocy: All prequel Jedi dressing like farmers from Tatooine / Obi-Wan in hiding did in the first movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on July 04, 2019, 04:22:28 PM
All I'm saying is, throw me some bones bros. The new locales and characters are so boring they make me nostalgic for the prequels :holeup

They've essentially remade the original trilogy wherein the only location that actually felt lived in was a sterile mining colony--white walls and everything-- floating over a gas giant. (https://i.imgur.com/F2I3hEz.png)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
One of the only pros about Empire Strikes Back. (https://i.imgur.com/F2I3hEz.png)
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 04, 2019, 04:24:52 PM
Occam: revenge of the sith is still better last Jedi.

I watched the rise of the Skywalker (?) trailer and doesn’t it take place on a forest planet like Endor? :dead
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on July 04, 2019, 04:52:43 PM
I watched the rise of the Skywalker (?) trailer and doesn’t it take place on a forest planet like Endor? :dead

At the very end of the teaser you see a fragment of a Death Star floating off the coast of a Caladan looking planet. It very well could be the actual Forest Moon of Endor! :lol

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Tell me about the waters of your homeworld, Muad'dib.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 04, 2019, 04:56:37 PM
:lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 04, 2019, 05:55:34 PM
American Graffiti is his best movie. Don't @ me.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 04, 2019, 06:02:20 PM
I've seen all the Star Wars movies and I will continue to watch all the Star Wars because there's not enough outer space nerdshit.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Not Solo tho, I'm not desperate.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 04, 2019, 06:09:26 PM
Solo was competent, but totally by-the-numbers. Doesn't really do anything particularly interesting. I'd watch it over the the prequels but that's about it. At least R1 had a good final act.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 04, 2019, 06:12:04 PM
Anyone else excited for Dune? :hyper
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 04, 2019, 06:14:04 PM
Yes :hyper
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on July 04, 2019, 06:21:05 PM
Solo was competent, but totally by-the-numbers. Doesn't really do anything particularly interesting. I'd watch it over the the prequels but that's about it. At least R1 had a good final act.

That's the thing. I think all the Disney era SW movies are OK, but forgettable. I don't understand the rage they induce.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Don Rumata on July 04, 2019, 08:00:20 PM
Anyone else excited for Dune? :hyper
Villaneuve hasn't made a single bad film, and Blade Runner 2049 was quite amazing, so how could you not be?

EDIT: Ok, i haven't seen Maelstrom and August 32 on Earth.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on July 04, 2019, 08:04:59 PM
i watched solo on an 18 hour plane fight at about 3 in the morning, nodding off occsaionally and not bothering to rewind it.

think that was the way it was meant to be watched.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Trent Dole on July 04, 2019, 08:08:19 PM
i watched solo on an 18 hour plane fight at about 3 in the morning, nodding off occsaionally and not bothering to rewind it.

think that was the way it was meant to be watched.
Dude, I watched it on a long ass flight too. :lol It's a good plane movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on July 04, 2019, 08:10:41 PM
it was a triple feature with the new jumanji and a pan and scan TV edit of speed.

jumanji is the ultimate plane flick. actually gutted that the next isn't out till xmas 'cause i'm flying to malaysia in september.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on July 05, 2019, 01:00:14 AM
Parts 1 and 2 of "Twilight of the Apprentice" are some of the best Star Wars stuff made, but they don't really resonate if you haven't watched: all the prequels, all of Clone Wars, Rebels up until those episodes, (and I guess) all of the original trilogy.

Star Wars innit.
:bow
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on July 05, 2019, 01:03:29 AM
Anyone else excited for Dune? :hyper
I've only been coming in my pants for years waiting :lawd
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on July 05, 2019, 01:06:46 AM
is the SciFi channel Dune adaptation worth watching?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on July 05, 2019, 01:11:38 AM
is the SciFi channel Dune adaptation worth watching?
It's OK. Obviously low budget but far more faithful than the 80s movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on July 05, 2019, 01:19:37 AM
is the SciFi channel Dune adaptation worth watching?
100% absolutely, it's very, very good.


WHO IS IT THAT CALLS FOR MUAD'DIB
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on July 05, 2019, 02:14:56 AM
The  Sci-Fi Channel one leans really heavy on it being a teen drama. I appreciate that aspect of it, but I read the books as a pre-teen so I think of them as teen stories

My favorite stylistic choice was that they made it feel like you were watching a stage performance in several of the scenes in the desert after House Atreides falls.

If you watch the uncut version it's also weirdly European in that it has a bunch of gratuitous nudity.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Rahxephon91 on July 05, 2019, 02:48:24 AM
You people know about Project 4K77, 4K83 (and soon 4K80), right?
Just looked into this, thanks to this post.

Amazing stuff.

(https://i.imgur.com/nrNvvxc.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 05, 2019, 10:47:28 AM
is the SciFi channel Dune adaptation worth watching?

I like it better than the 80's movie (overall). You get a better feel for the story and Paul's progression feels more like a journey.

That being said, you have to be mentally prepared for special effects that are roughly on par with 00's syndicated television and spotty acting all over the place. Because that's only aged worse in the past 10+ years.

They did a sequel, Children of Dune, that actually made me appreciate the book more. I kind of zoomed through that one and didn't give it much thought when I first read it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Occam on July 05, 2019, 11:56:57 PM
Occam: revenge of the sith is still better last Jedi.

Last Jedi had the worst plot of any Star Wars movie. On the other hand, Revenge of the Sith had one job, to convincingly show Anakin's turn to the dark side. The movie shows us he is basically tricked into it because he is a moron. Well done.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: kingv on July 06, 2019, 07:12:51 PM
I think the last Jedi has a worse plot, and is somewhat more pointless than revenge of the sith. At the end of it, I feel like no plot progress was really made.

They found Luke and he died. They discovered plasma lived but then killed her, and the killed smoke, but he was already unused, so not sure why it matters.

However, all three of the prequels were far worse executed than TLJ or any of the other modern films. They were just bad films With incredibly Poorly directed acting. Even wooden daisy Ridley looks good compared to most of the cast in the prequels.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on July 06, 2019, 08:29:14 PM
Re-watched Solo again the other day, and enjoyed it a bit more than the first and second time. It feels like a scum-and-villainy focused Star Wars, but it is definitely a movie which asks, how about that star war? I like the kid playing Solo, and I'm fond of the Lando representation.

My main complaint is that it's overly by-the-numbers, and I wish they didn't go out of their way to explain the origin of every single noteworthy Original Trilogy detail of Han Solo.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on July 06, 2019, 09:23:28 PM
kingv is right tho, TLJ is a the anime filler arc of mainline SW films. It's lateral movement.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on July 07, 2019, 12:37:27 AM
kingv is right tho, TLJ is a the anime filler arc of mainline SW films. It's lateral movement.

It's my favorite SW movie behind the 1977 and 1980. It's fantastic. It actively pulls heroism and personal responsibility into anyone's hands, and away from hereditary mythology.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Don Rumata on July 07, 2019, 02:52:57 AM
kingv is right tho, TLJ is a the anime filler arc of mainline SW films. It's lateral movement.

It's my favorite SW movie behind the 1977 and 1980. It's fantastic. It actively pulls heroism and personal responsibility into anyone's hands, and away from hereditary mythology.
Anyone with an attunement for the force, that is.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on July 07, 2019, 05:59:57 AM
kingv is right tho, TLJ is a the anime filler arc of mainline SW films. It's lateral movement.

It's my favorite SW movie behind the 1977 and 1980. It's fantastic. It actively pulls heroism and personal responsibility into anyone's hands, and away from hereditary mythology.
Anyone with an attunement for the force, that is.

Which, very possibly, is "anyone who is open to it."
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: paprikastaude on July 07, 2019, 06:21:40 AM
casino planet was basically prequel tier
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Huff on July 07, 2019, 10:18:49 AM
Chrono's worst part about him is his opinion on TLJ. sorry dad
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: CatsCatsCats on July 07, 2019, 11:54:08 AM
Dad’s right you’re all grounded
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on July 07, 2019, 12:01:48 PM
casino planet was probably the low point of all eight films. such a bizarre aside. like when the anime catches up with the manga and needs to stall for 20 episodes.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: kingv on July 07, 2019, 12:43:28 PM
kingv is right tho, TLJ is a the anime filler arc of mainline SW films. It's lateral movement.

It's my favorite SW movie behind the 1977 and 1980. It's fantastic. It actively pulls heroism and personal responsibility into anyone's hands, and away from hereditary mythology.

I think we should wait for the new one before saying that’s 100% confirmed. That title makes me feel like there’s a chance they retcon Rey’s parentage somehow.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on July 07, 2019, 02:05:38 PM
I still love chrono, despite his star wars treason :heart
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on July 07, 2019, 02:08:37 PM
https://youtu.be/S3VMfzoBO7Y
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on July 08, 2019, 01:59:07 AM
casino planet was basically prequel tier
Yup. It's my least favorite part of the movie. Still love the movie overall.

I still love chrono, despite his star wars treason :heart
Thanks, boo.
:heart
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on July 08, 2019, 02:23:09 AM
I didn't really like the characters or subplot on Canto Bight but I appreciate that Disney decided to teach da youf about the vile amorality of the arms industry with that digression. I guess it's the strongest BB-8 segment in the movie too.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2019, 02:30:26 AM
kingv is right tho, TLJ is a the anime filler arc of mainline SW films. It's lateral movement.

It's my favorite SW movie behind the 1977 and 1980. It's fantastic. It actively pulls heroism and personal responsibility into anyone's hands, and away from hereditary mythology.

I think we should wait for the new one before saying that’s 100% confirmed. That title makes me feel like there’s a chance they retcon Rey’s parentage somehow.
I have to assume there's a very good chance JJ turns The Last Jedi into the Count Dooku of Star Wars films
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on July 08, 2019, 03:08:04 AM
kingv is right tho, TLJ is a the anime filler arc of mainline SW films. It's lateral movement.

It's my favorite SW movie behind the 1977 and 1980. It's fantastic. It actively pulls heroism and personal responsibility into anyone's hands, and away from hereditary mythology.

I think we should wait for the new one before saying that’s 100% confirmed. That title makes me feel like there’s a chance they retcon Rey’s parentage somehow.
I have to assume there's a very good chance JJ turns The Last Jedi into the Count Dooku of Star Wars films

What does that even mean?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2019, 03:20:58 AM
A better in idea than execution band-aid to a self-inflicted wound that's completely forgotten about when he's vaporized ten seconds into Revenge of the Sith?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2019, 03:41:25 AM
look, I've got six more months to workshop this okay?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Attack of the Clones imo went from bad to even more awful when Revenge of the Sith got the high ground so Attack had to fall into the lava pit and get most of its attempt at plot points burned off
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 08, 2019, 09:17:00 AM
Man, Attack of the Clones was such garbage. It was so bad that main plot got retconned before the movie even ended.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 08, 2019, 12:08:02 PM
What IS the main plot of AOTC? What's the main plot of any of the prequels?

Obi-Wan has to find out where the clone army came from.

Anakin has to resist Padme (and the dark side) while also protecting her.

There's a couple bad CG fights strung together at the end.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 08, 2019, 12:59:41 PM
What IS the main plot of AOTC? What's the main plot of any of the prequels?

MIDICHLORIANS
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Post by: paprikastaude on July 08, 2019, 01:07:38 PM
when Christopher Lee character shows up in episode 2 as the main (?) bad guy at the end

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/3o72EVymX8u70s22mQ/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 08, 2019, 01:20:49 PM
What IS the main plot of AOTC? What's the main plot of any of the prequels?

Anakin macking on Padme [which was awful no matter how you look at it] and Obiwan investigating clone stuff [which had some interesting elements, but then Yoda shows up at the end with clone army and is like "Well, we got a clone army now, just go with it"].
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: MMaRsu on July 08, 2019, 01:40:03 PM
when Christopher Lee character shows up in episode 2 as the main (?) bad guy at the end

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/3o72EVymX8u70s22mQ/giphy.gif)

Count doofus

I do really like Christopher Lee though
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on July 08, 2019, 02:17:21 PM
Man, Attack of the Clones was such garbage. It was so bad that main plot got retconned before the movie even ended.

I thought Kamino (whatever, the cloning planet) was a refreshing change of style (if not an outright mistake in direction) with the giant aliens and clinical white hallways. Then Lucas shits himself by shoehorning Boba Fett and quite literally making him the opposite of exceptional then the goofiness of having hallways filed with poor Temuera Morrison composited three hundred times in every frame.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 08, 2019, 02:27:02 PM
Man, Attack of the Clones was such garbage. It was so bad that main plot got retconned before the movie even ended.

I thought Kamino (whatever, the cloning planet) was a refreshing change of style (if not an outright mistake in direction) with the giant aliens and clinical white hallways. Then Lucas shits himself by shoehorning Boba Fett and quite literally making him the opposite of exceptional then the goofiness of having hallways filed with poor Temuera Morrison composited three hundred times in every frame.

Then that entire plot line just gets jettisoned from existence, like so many other plot lines and characters that George Lucas introduced and then got bored with. Count Dooku, Darth Plagueis, General Grievous, who cares? Just throw in another light saber battle! Yoda can do backflips now, why not?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on July 08, 2019, 02:39:36 PM
The clone stuff? It gets sent to the shows. That's one of the real weaknesses of the prequels, you have to consume massive amounts of (even more obviously) children's entertainment to get anything resembling a complete picture.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on July 08, 2019, 02:40:49 PM
Also if you thought the Boba Fett backstory significantly undid his "cool" you should see what they did to the Mandalorians in the shows. :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on July 08, 2019, 03:36:33 PM
Also if you thought the Boba Fett backstory significantly undid his "cool" you should see what they did to the Mandalorians in the shows. :lol

Well in the film it's not really Boba (though having him as a pouty kid is not really cool) technically but since Jango is basically 1:1 the same it might as well be.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: paprikastaude on July 08, 2019, 03:41:10 PM
Also if you thought the Boba Fett backstory significantly undid his "cool" you should see what they did to the Mandalorians in the shows. :lol

can't be anything that couldn't be redeemed by bill burr
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on July 09, 2019, 01:00:37 AM
What IS the main plot of AOTC? What's the main plot of any of the prequels?
There are two storylines. After an attempt on Padme’s life, her guardians, Obi-Wan and Anakin, split up; the former investigates why Padme was targeted and the latter protects her. Obi-Wan absolutely knows that Anakin is emotionally unbalanced around Padme, so it’s unclear why Obi-Wan doesn’t choose to guard Padme and send Anakin to investigate.

Anakin awkwardly incels all over Padme, avant la lettre, and somehow it effectively makes him attractive to her.

Obi-Wan discovers that Jedi Librarians are arrogant and overly reliant on their technology. He directly goes to visit Kamino, a planet that no-one knows about, and the tall-neck aliens there think all humans look identical because they can’t differentiate Obi-Wan from Count Dooku, who had arranged for the creation of the Clone Army. Obi-Wan continues to investigate, and somehow he and Anakin and Padme all end up captured on a bug planet where the Droid Army is being similarly created. (IT’S LIKE POETRY, IT RHYMES.)

All looks hopeless, because apparently an ARMY of JEDI can’t fight DROIDS as well as Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon did in the previous movie, so it’s a big relief that Yoda has also discovered the Clone Army, which he is now in charge of, with zero-zero-zero in-film explanation. And now everyone accepts that it’s a good thing this Clone Army was just sitting around waiting to be discovered, because it’s a good thing two created armies can now battle each other, creating simulated drama.


Man, Attack of the Clones was such garbage. It was so bad that main plot got retconned before the movie even ended.

I thought Kamino (whatever, the cloning planet) was a refreshing change of style (if not an outright mistake in direction) with the giant aliens and clinical white hallways. Then Lucas shits himself by shoehorning Boba Fett and quite literally making him the opposite of exceptional then the goofiness of having hallways filed with poor Temuera Morrison composited three hundred times in every frame.
I think George Lucas wants people to like the things he likes, and gets angry when they focus on something else. Killing off Boba in a massive vagina dentata wasn't enough, so he de-specialized Boba by making Jango, and then making thousands of Jangos.  ::)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bluemax on July 09, 2019, 01:13:45 AM
Wasn't there a previous canon explanation of what the clone wars were that was like 100 times better than the prequels? Or did I just imagine that from reading the novelization of A New Hope which has tons of stuff that isn't in the movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on July 09, 2019, 01:27:15 AM
Man, Attack of the Clones was such garbage. It was so bad that main plot got retconned before the movie even ended.

I thought Kamino (whatever, the cloning planet) was a refreshing change of style (if not an outright mistake in direction) with the giant aliens and clinical white hallways. Then Lucas shits himself by shoehorning Boba Fett and quite literally making him the opposite of exceptional then the goofiness of having hallways filed with poor Temuera Morrison composited three hundred times in every frame.
I think George Lucas wants people to like the things he likes, and gets angry when they focus on something else. Killing off Boba in a massive vagina dentata wasn't enough, so he de-specialized Boba by making Jango, and then making thousands of Jangos.  ::)

Sometimes I feel like Boba Fett was the original version of the "Wow! Cool robot!" meme.

At least Cad Bane is so repugnant that the only people I can think of that could conceivably like him are the ones who have watched the only 10 good westerns and think westerns are a cool genre of movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on July 09, 2019, 01:31:18 AM
Wasn't there a previous canon explanation of what the clone wars were that was like 100 times better than the prequels? Or did I just imagine that from reading the novelization of A New Hope which has tons of stuff that isn't in the movie.

Many people are very excited about the Clone Wars series. I've bought the box set but haven't watched yet.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on July 09, 2019, 01:40:51 AM
Chrono out here Forcesplaining  :gurl
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on July 09, 2019, 03:25:43 AM
Chrono out here Forcesplaining  :gurl

I really, really dislike the Prequels. I can't help myself.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 09, 2019, 09:23:44 AM
:umad
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: paprikastaude on July 09, 2019, 09:28:21 AM
Criticizing the new movies :idont

Using that as a chance to sugarcoat the prequels in any way :nope  :iface :goldberg :girlaff :juicy
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 09, 2019, 09:42:15 AM
Trying to rehabilitate the Prequels is peak Zoomer shit. :yuck
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on July 09, 2019, 09:50:42 AM
if you gave the beer mat synopsis of the prequels to a competant filmmaker they could've been great. don't think you could say the same about the disney films because i'm not sure anyone ever wrote it down.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Occam on July 09, 2019, 10:44:39 AM
The first one was quite unnecessary. Who cares about Adolf Hitler as a boy? Then you have robots against clones = nothing is at stake.
That's a pretty fundamental flaw. Add to this that we already knew the outcome.
Nothing at stake + outcome known in advance = borefest.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: paprikastaude on July 09, 2019, 11:33:34 AM
also spoiling the vader twist for all future children = inherently dumb concept. you could've maybe done something good with broken luke, but the prequels are just irredeemable.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 09, 2019, 11:35:05 AM
Prequels should have been Obi-wan movies with Anakin as a minor background character (and already a Jedi Knight and good pilot.)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 09, 2019, 11:38:01 AM
Prequels should have been Obi-wan movies with Anakin as a minor background character (and already a Jedi Knight and good pilot.)

Agreed with everything except minor background character. This would make Obi-Wan very much not a very good friend.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2019, 12:53:59 PM
What IS the main plot of AOTC?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pTbi-0lMTg

spoiler (click to show/hide)
one touch I like in the prequels is when people use the Force to do mundane things causally, like Obi-Wan force-grabbing his "flash drive" in that scene or when Darth Maul wants to open a door so he hovers some debris off the ground and flings it at the panel
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 09, 2019, 01:10:11 PM
What IS the main plot of AOTC?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfcu_dhwVA4

What's the main plot of any of the prequels?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYTirwx3FkU
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 09, 2019, 03:34:15 PM
Obi Wan was a centrist. Making him worse than the Sith Lords.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2019, 03:35:37 PM
George Lucas basically produced them as independent films, that's how rich and how successful Lucasfilm (and its associated like THX and Industrial Light and Magic) was at one point. He only has dealt with major studios for the end releases to theaters/VHS/DVD and then when he sold everything to Disney to retire.

The original famous deal he made with Paramount where he kept the IP and merchandising rights and they took only distribution was not out of a business brilliance but because Lucas was so protective of the entire Star Wars concept and idea that he wanted nobody else to make it even if he failed at it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2019, 03:36:15 PM
Also. I consider the LEGO Star Wars versions of ALL Star Wars content to be canon. :hmph
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: paprikastaude on July 09, 2019, 03:51:05 PM
tfw as a kid you thought the nonsense diplomacy in episode 1 will make sense when you're grown up :goldberg
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on July 09, 2019, 04:00:04 PM
There should be an Obi Wan movie just showing him drinking and being in the sun constantly to explain his aging in double time.


Just like there needs to be one more X-Mehns explaining how Magneto aged 45 years in 8 years.

He's old by the time he makes an appearance in Rebels and he's in his early 50s then iirc.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on July 09, 2019, 04:23:51 PM
Obi Wan was a centrist. Making him worse than the Sith Lords.


well his master was a both-sideser grey jedi :thinking
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 09, 2019, 04:58:57 PM
Obi Wan was a centrist. Making him worse than the Sith Lords.


well his master was a both-sideser grey jedi :thinking

His master was Boogie2988?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2019, 05:28:37 PM
it's kinda funny how Obi-Wan obstinately establishes himself on Tatooine to watch over Luke, then Luke just happens to be hanging out with Obi-Wan when his aunt and uncle are slaughtered clearing the way for them to go find Leia :thinking
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 09, 2019, 05:30:29 PM
Yeah, pretty convenient for Obi-Wan that Luke's guardians just happened to be conveniently disposed of leaving no one to report Luke's disappearance.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2019, 05:49:55 PM
plus has anyone ever thrown a fight worse than Obi-Wan did against Vader?

dude pretty much one-shot Darth Maul in half
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2019, 06:11:53 PM
all i'm saying is that we need a special counsel investigation
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on July 09, 2019, 06:15:39 PM
Obi Wan was a centrist. Making him worse than the Sith Lords.


well his master was a both-sideser grey jedi :thinking

His master was Boogie2988?

A salesman convinced me to buy a X-34 landspeeder, you should have listened to him he had a lot of great points about why I needed to buy one. Can the Jedi Council wire me 100k Dataries ?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2019, 06:47:56 PM
lmao at you two morons thinking that there was a central currency imposed by the Empire
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2019, 06:48:58 PM
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The Galactic Credit Standard, simply called a credit or abbreviated to cred, colloquially referred to as Republic Dataries, and later known as the Imperial Credit, was the main currency in use in the galaxy since the time of the Galactic Republic.

The galactic credit standard was established on Sojourn. From its inception, the credit was backed by the immense wealth of the planet Muunilinst and the InterGalactic Banking Clan (IGBC). During the Clone Wars, the IGBC backed the currencies of both sides, as it would do so again decades later for the New Republic and Imperial Remnant.

During the Clone Wars, and even before, many of the galaxy's inhabitants were worried about the war's outcome and the effect it would have on the galactic economy. Because of this, an overwhelming majority of planets outside the Core and Inner Rim would not accept credits. These planets and regions began minting their own special currencies. In 22 BBY, the InterGalactic Banking Clan was creating new currencies at a rate of twenty per day, with the InterGalactic Currency Exchange System managing the currency
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"Republic credits? Republic credits are no good out here. I need something more real."
―Watto to Qui-Gon Jinn on Tatooine
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2019, 06:51:58 PM
lol at the lore behind this being as incoherent as Star Trek's similar "credits" in an economy that is otherwise borderline without scarcity
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Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2019, 06:55:54 PM
tfw when you want your show to show a post-scarcity post-conflict human utopia but you want the enemies to be fillercapitalistsrellif so you create an non-replicatible hard standard to justify their society :fbm
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Post by: agrajag on July 09, 2019, 06:56:50 PM
Twi'leks are the whores of the SW universe  :drool
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Rufus on July 09, 2019, 06:59:49 PM
*exotic dancers
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Post by: agrajag on July 09, 2019, 07:00:50 PM
they know exactly what they are  8)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2019, 07:01:51 PM
Hutt Bath Water, available at all Sector Space Markets!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2019, 07:14:51 PM
another funny time thing is just how fast the Republic descends into a totalitarian Empire, it's like a couple weeks and nobody minds, the Senate doesn't even attempt to repeal the power Jar Jar gives the Emperor even though Palpatine had to manipulate like fifty separate events and lead both sides of his own war across the prequels just to get himself elected in the first place

Trek wanking
perhaps ironically, the Ferengi show themselves to be more open to seriously changing their entire society, not only allowing fee-males to clothe themselves but even more importantly to their society's values own property, at the end of DS9 than the Federation ever has done anything similar

they're still trying to smash the Bajorans' society into smooth uniform Federation paste even in the middle of a galactic war, the Bajorans earlier refusal to join being perhaps the one thing that saves them from being permanently annihilated by Dukat during said war
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Post by: Joe Molotov on July 09, 2019, 07:18:27 PM
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"Republic credits? Republic credits are no good out here. I need something more real."
―Watto to Qui-Gon Jinn on Tatooine

And now we know how Obi-Wan got involved in Tatooine's white slave trade.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2019, 07:28:30 PM
I feel like we've really got a great pitch idea here to Disney about an Obi-Wan spin-off film. After Solo they'll be too afraid to water down all the piracy/smuggling/crime parts.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2019, 07:33:35 PM
Qui-Gon faked his death while Obi-Wan became the inside man, but Anakin had seen too much so they had to "train" him to make sure he didn't screw the whole thing up. In AOTC when they go into the seedy parts of town, Obi-Wan knows everything about it because of his side business. And he's gotta get Anakin out of the way to handle business so he assigns him to watch the Queen.

Yoda figures the whole thing out and demands a cut, that's why he's got an exit to Dagobah ready immediately. And that's also why they send Mace Windu to confront the Emperor, because he was getting too close to both operations.

At some point Yoda and Obi-Wan probably had Qui-Gon have an "accident" while they were "on the run" and frame the Empire for it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on July 09, 2019, 07:35:09 PM
seth windu  :fbm
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on July 09, 2019, 09:16:21 PM
lol at the lore behind this being as incoherent as Star Trek's similar "credits" in an economy that is otherwise borderline without scarcity

*opens the article about Caldari currencies and reads* *exhales, relaxed*
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: kingv on July 10, 2019, 11:10:17 AM
Qui-Gon faked his death while Obi-Wan became the inside man, but Anakin had seen too much so they had to "train" him to make sure he didn't screw the whole thing up. In AOTC when they go into the seedy parts of town, Obi-Wan knows everything about it because of his side business. And he's gotta get Anakin out of the way to handle business so he assigns him to watch the Queen.

Yoda figures the whole thing out and demands a cut, that's why he's got an exit to Dagobah ready immediately. And that's also why they send Mace Windu to confront the Emperor, because he was getting too close to both operations.

At some point Yoda and Obi-Wan probably had Qui-Gon have an "accident" while they were "on the run" and frame the Empire for it.

You forgot the scene where Yoda (aka Yodaddy) rationalizes hisnpedophilia as saying adults “are too big for him”. And that he is tall enough to consent, so so is a child.

“Consent he does”
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Post by: Joe Molotov on July 10, 2019, 12:57:36 PM
Yoda only looks like a small child, canonically he’s 900 years old.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 10, 2019, 02:29:56 PM
The Jedi Council is a religious group that takes little kids away from their parents and turns them into emotion-less soldiers.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Occam on July 15, 2019, 11:29:18 AM
After Red Letter Media's predictions for Episode 9 made me think about the Star War again, there is one question I would like answered. Why did Disney give Episode 8 to Rian Johnson, to both direct AND write? To a guy who didn't care about Star Wars and who hadn't made a single great movie before?
It's no suprise that after the unsalvageable train wreck Last Jedi turned out to be no halfway decent writer wanted to touch Episode 9 so they had to resort to the guy responsible for Batman v Superman,  but after the relatively successful (if derivative) Episode 7, why did Disney entrust their Billion-dollar franchise to Johnson? They even meant to give him the entire next trilogy, before proving he was actually any good. It makes no sense.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 15, 2019, 11:48:06 AM
Honestly I think Disney did that as a semi-response to the whole "Disney™ corporate overlords are demanding too much and stifling creativity." So they probably went "OK is that what you think? BAM full creative control to one of the most-hyped scifi filmmakers of the current era."

Kathleen Kennedy is just a big dope and chose the wrong people. To be fair, Johnson didn't seem like a bad choice, but they probably expected him to turn into what Villeneuve has become.

I would have been surprised they canned Trevorrow, but as this post implies, Disney is overreactionary to a fault when it comes to the Star Wars® franchise.
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Post by: paprikastaude on July 15, 2019, 11:51:59 AM
to one of the most-hyped scifi filmmakers of the current era."

:confused
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 15, 2019, 11:54:20 AM
to one of the most-hyped scifi filmmakers of the current era."

:confused

Looper got tons of hype in a time when sci-fi films were few and far between. It's credited as being one of the reasons for the current boom in sci-fi film.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 15, 2019, 12:01:10 PM
Yeah.

Because of Looper, the hype around Rian was reaching a fever pitch right before Disney announced him as director, and then the announcement blew him up even further.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 15, 2019, 12:01:59 PM
Is Johnson still getting his own trilogy btw? :thinking
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on July 15, 2019, 12:03:53 PM
Looper :bow2

Joseph Gordon-Levitt being made up to look like Bruce Willis :bow2
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Occam on July 15, 2019, 12:05:31 PM
Is Johnson still getting his own trilogy btw? :thinking

Nope, that plan has supposedly been scrapped after how much everybody loved Last Jedi.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 15, 2019, 12:09:27 PM
Fun fact about Chris Terrio AKA "the BvS writer guy," when he was announced as working on BvS people were excited because "Ben's bringing in his awesome writer friend from Argo to fix up Snyder's crap."

And honestly I don't blame him for BvS and JL, most of the blame lays at Snyder's feet. Writers can admittedly have much more of a pockmarked reputation, with past failures and triumphs not correlating as strongly for future work as compared to directors.

I can't remember the specific examples off the top of my head, but I do know of at least two writers who basically just wrote shit movies... until they got on Oscar for writing. And a screenplay can get mangled on its way to the screen in a variety of ways.

Anyways didn't mean to end up stealth-defending Chris Terrio of all people, but let me just say this: at least he ain't Goyer.

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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: paprikastaude on July 15, 2019, 12:25:22 PM
The fact that Bat-Superman-guy still has this kind of job proves that in reality it must all be nepotism.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 15, 2019, 12:31:03 PM
I mean, yeah. There's few ways to save BvS if the director wants it done a certain way. Good writers have also done a lot of crap. I mean, Zack Snyder movies tend to have very specific directorial film making. He's very much always going to stick on his vision.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 15, 2019, 12:34:51 PM
The fact that Bat-Superman-guy still has this kind of job proves that in reality it must all be nepotism.

Or it's because it made  872.7 million dollars in the box office.

He has a writing credit in a film that made that much money. That's a lot of exposure. Quality doesn't matter, what matters is if it sells.

The only way you're booted from the film industry is by:

A. making a colossal bomb. Think Final Fantasy The Spirits Within or Water World.

or

B. do something like get #MeToo'd (see: Mel Gibson)

This is why D&D will still have careers even after the botched GoT ending: they ran the biggest tv show on television.

Ultimately, film is a business and you need people with a reputation for making money. It's also why Shyamalan still makes films. The Happening had a budget of 48 million and made back 163 million. After Earth cost 130-150 million and made back 243 million.

It's all about those Benjamins.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 15, 2019, 12:45:26 PM
The fact that Bat-Superman-guy still has this kind of job proves that in reality it must all be nepotism.

Hollywood executives value writers differently than the general public. In addition to writing scripts that end up being made into successful movies, the ability to quickly jump on projects and "fix" storyline problems is coveted too.

"Nepotism" is a negative spin on the neutral concept of working with your friends and people you like. I wouldn't begrudge David Lynch for asking Kyle Maclachlan to be in something new, for instance. And if Terrio had ideas on how to make BvS work better than it was at the time, that was probably taken into account too. Sometimes a blockbuster script goes through 6+ writers, all pitching their own ideas and trying to make it work.

Not saying that's the case for Terrio, but one of the hardest things to determine about writers is if they can actually write. That seems counterintuitive, but it's pretty easy to write a bad script. Bad meaning, not even properly formatted, characters just saying what they feel, etc.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 15, 2019, 12:50:43 PM
Writers are also good for just making stories in general. Hollywood agents are always looking for the next script. So writers are coveted.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 15, 2019, 12:51:43 PM
In general, writers are treated like trash until the WGA forces Hollywood not to. :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 15, 2019, 12:54:38 PM
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Hollywood agents are always looking for the next script.

Unfortunately, these days they're just looking for the next brand. And they pretty much lock a decent director down and throw any rando or set of rando screenwriters at it so they can keep the rights and set up the next multi-billion-dollar Cinematic Universe.

Spec scripts are almost entirely dead past the $10 mil budget mark, and while Hollywood most likely won't change that, digital distribution probably will. So there's some hope there.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 15, 2019, 12:59:09 PM
Yeah, in a lot of film books I've been reading they say the script is the most valued thing in Hollywood. The first thing anyone ever asks is,"do you have a script?" Lots (most) of people don't have scripts. You can film an acclaimed short film, and then agents will be on your door waiting for your next film. Oh, but you only did that short film and don't have a script for the next. But those agents want that script. If you are unable to have a script available then you don't have a movie.

So studios like people that are reliable and provide scripts.

Someone who can provide a script and also happens to have a writing credit for a movie that made back almost a billion dollars is something anyone who is making the next Star Wars movie would be willing to invest in.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: kingv on July 15, 2019, 01:36:25 PM
Honestly, the problem with TLJ isn’t necessarily Riann Johnson, imo, the problem is they set out to do a trilogy without having any plan or backstory. So they ended up writing a “trilogy” one movie at a time without any idea what the overall story arc would be.

A Riann Johnson trilogy might end up being really good if he controlled it from start to finish.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 15, 2019, 01:46:13 PM
I agree. He's a competent filmmaker.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 15, 2019, 01:53:57 PM
I actually like TLJ and I'm still shocked that Disney/LucasFilm thought it was a good idea to have each movie be made by different writers/directors with seemingly no cohesive, over-arching plan.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: kingv on July 15, 2019, 02:01:23 PM
Me too. From the company that brought you
The MCU it’s really amateurish and incompetent... like you have this billion dollar franchise and your plan is to
Just play it by ear?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 15, 2019, 02:07:56 PM
Just look at this:

-Freakout over Colin Trevorrow's awful indie movie and boot him from Episode 9
-Freakout over TLJ underperforming and cancel Rian Johnson's trilogy
-Freakout over Solo bombing and cancel the other spinoffs

This whole endeavor has been a big mess, mostly because they just figured they could instantly replicate the MCU's endless success without having to put in the hard work.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 15, 2019, 02:08:35 PM
They got extremely lucky with Feige.

And if one or two of the Phase 1 movies had been a total bomb (or possibly even critically raked over the coals like BvS and JL), he might have been out on his ass and whatever replacement Disney got probably would have cocked the whole thing up.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 15, 2019, 02:11:58 PM
And if one or two of the Phase 1 movies had been a total bomb (or possibly even critically raked over the coals like BvS and JL), he might have been out on his ass and whatever replacement Disney got probably would have cocked the whole thing up.

It's hard to remember now, but all of Phase 1 [except Hulk and Avengers] were released by Paramount.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 15, 2019, 02:12:52 PM
True, but Disney took the reigns in 2009 and would have been able to boot Feige from Marvel Studios had something gone wrong.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: paprikastaude on July 15, 2019, 02:24:00 PM
To replicate the MCU clearly you have to insert shitty oneliners and tension breaking jokes into your movies.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Uncle on July 15, 2019, 02:49:22 PM
"Now THAT'S the power of math!"

"You guys, this is so.  Fucking.  Cool!!"
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on July 16, 2019, 02:33:42 AM
After Red Letter Media's predictions for Episode 9 made me think about the Star War again, there is one question I would like answered. Why did Disney give Episode 8 to Rian Johnson, to both direct AND write? To a guy who didn't care about Star Wars and who hadn't made a single great movie before?
It's no suprise that after the unsalvageable train wreck Last Jedi turned out to be no halfway decent writer wanted to touch Episode 9 so they had to resort to the guy responsible for Batman v Superman,  but after the relatively successful (if derivative) Episode 7, why did Disney entrust their Billion-dollar franchise to Johnson? They even meant to give him the entire next trilogy, before proving he was actually any good. It makes no sense.

Jesus Christ, shut your whore mouth, you tumescent knob. Rian Johnson made:
Brick
Looper
The Brothers Bloom

3 episodes of Breaking Bad
1 episode of Terriers, a Bore Beloved Project(tm)

What have you ever done with your life?

:triggered_redhead_lady.gif
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on July 16, 2019, 02:51:45 AM
I've made a video of my G.I. Joes fighting
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on July 16, 2019, 03:13:21 AM
And a lot of bad posts. :rodney

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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Occam on July 16, 2019, 03:20:23 AM
Not a fan of Looper, just too many illogical elements for my taste (no, not calling them plot holes as they aren't necessarily holes in the plot, just plot points that make no sense). His other movies fared worse critically. Seeing how Last Jedi also contains lots of illogical stuff, maybe that's his thing.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on July 16, 2019, 06:40:20 AM
rian johnson has been permanently stuck in his second year of film school.

saw brick at a friend's birthday. my friend is desperately uncool in that way that can only be achieved by trying to be cool 100% of the time. suffice to say he loved brick and it was trash.
saw brothers bloom on a punt at the cinema, didn't even realise it was rian johnson despite it having all the same hallmarks of immensely lame fedora characters who only total loser would think are hot shit.
saw looper on a student night in a cinema full of dickheads. i fucking hate dickheads at the cinema, but their constant shit talking was somehow more coherent and less try hard than the film. better than the other two though.

even his breaking bad episodes are stuffed full of his loser nerd ideas of what would be a cool out there shot or bit of blocking, all so deliberate and irritating that it takes you completely out of the scene.

i'm sure he has enough basic skills to be a standard issue rent-a-hack, but his nasal delusions of grandeur wouldn't let him just hit something with a straight bat.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 16, 2019, 10:09:04 AM
To replicate the MCU clearly you have to insert shitty oneliners and tension breaking jokes into your movies.

They clearly tried with the shitty Poe humor in TLJ, which imo is one of the only serious gripes people should have with the movie.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Uncle on July 16, 2019, 11:33:01 AM
I still can't believe Poe is considered a main character, he feels like a tertiary character

I feel nothing
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on July 16, 2019, 12:47:16 PM
say what you will about MCU but they have shown a level of polish and cohesion that the Disney SW team can only hope to replicate. Whatever they are doing clearly resonates with the masses. Maybe they should ask Kevin Feige to give them some pointers. It's kind of amateur hour how they don't have an outline for the current trilogy and the directors are seemingly having to retcon each other's plots.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on July 16, 2019, 11:20:45 PM
Kevin Feige was given the power by Disney to say "no" to Ike Perlmutter, the man who is technically his boss as the CEO of Marvel Entertainment. That's how much trust they have in Feige as a person. That's borderline the powers Disney gave to Pixar when they were the animation Gods who walked the Earth.

When Disney/Marvel took the reigns over completely Perlmutter wanted to change all sorts of shit that Feige had been able to put in motion/place because he was the go between with Paramount. One was that Perlmutter wanted rid of Hawkeye and Black Widow after he thought they were wastes of "good slots" in the first Avengers. (Plus he hates Jeremy Renner for something in the past IIRC.)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on July 16, 2019, 11:51:17 PM
Fun fact about Chris Terrio AKA "the BvS writer guy," when he was announced as working on BvS people were excited because "Ben's bringing in his awesome writer friend from Argo to fix up Snyder's crap."

And honestly I don't blame him for BvS and JL, most of the blame lays at Snyder's feet. Writers can admittedly have much more of a pockmarked reputation, with past failures and triumphs not correlating as strongly for future work as compared to directors.
Chris Terrio and Zack Snyder were in complete agreement on BvS and JL and what would be then JL2 as an arc coming out of Man of Steel. Terrio is the one who wrote the original Justice League script that Warners deemed unfilmable which would take place after the release of the Anti-Life Equation and Superman under Darkseid's control. The arc would end in Superman's display of being the ultimate hero by ultimately resisting Darkseid and saving the day that the rest of the Justice League could not do incomplete.

They were ordered to rewrite completely and bring back Superman early. Then when Snyder finished his work cut, Warners deemed it unreleasable and hired Joss Whedon to rewrite it. Joss was given so much power (which he resisted having been put in that position himself) that when Snyder's daughter died Snyder told Joss he'd bail out and he should just direct the expected massive reshoots.

If you remember, the original tagline for Justice League was #UniteTheSeven. There's only six Justice Leaguers in the film even after Supes is brought back to life. The plot makes no sense because it's two separate films mashed together, that's also why half the movie is the Justice League standing around talking because of the reshoot costs and the other half is some random Russian family doing close up reaction shots to things never shown on screen, they could only just edit the already done action scenes Snyder directed. Which is super obvious from looking at the trailers versus how the same exact scenes appear in the movie.

I don't think you can blame Terrio, Snyder OR Whedon. Warners execs wanted the film out to get their bonuses from it being released by a certain date. So none of the three got to completely script, shoot and finish a film. And Warners didn't think to impose any demands as to what the film had to contain until Whedon was made director (officially only for reshoots but potentially for an entirely new film) and they already knew what they didn't want from having seen Snyder's rough cut but were never going to give Whedon the time or budget to shoot it.

The infamous CGI'd off mustache was entirely unnecessary, Tom Cruise injured himself and they shut down shooting Mission Impossible, Henry Cavill could totally have regrown his mustache by the time shooting on it started again, but Warners didn't want to pay the couple million insurance agreement on it because they were pinching every penny possible having done nothing to stop the film's total budget from hitting $500 million before realizing they hated it and wanted it out asap. They didn't even use the same effects company but found the cheapest contractors available to do the hundreds of effects needed in the reshoots and edits alone.

This is why Warners completely turned around and confirmed the DCEU after cancelling it and all the related films not already in production, they assumed it was nothing they had done to Justice League, it was the brand being bad and Marvel just being lucky. Then Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman both did near a billion despite being "dark", and then against literally all expectations Aquaman made a legit billion despite James Wan getting to do it however he wanted because it was the least attractive character, and now the DCEU is totally alive with sequels boarded into 2022 and even Ben Affleck back in good graces with the studio and both him and Gadot now permanently owning producer credits. (Except Green Lantern, The Seventh Member, which they're still afraid of because of 2011's film and only was boarded in the first place because of Geoff Johns.)

Disney is making the same exact panic decisions Warners did, they're looking at Solo's disaster (from the corporate POV of what was happening on set) and TLJ's heavy drop-offs and their own panic fussing over Rise, ignoring that Rogue One nearly did a billion despite the studio fussing endlessly over it, and even knowing that Rise of the Skywalker will do two billion basically no matter what and this being a proven 40 year old brand. As much is made of the proliferation of film franchises it's hilarious that two of the largest entertainment corporations are being so conservative and paranoid about two of their biggest brands possible. They actually weren't/aren't throwing shit out as fast as they can to make bucks from China, they're treating the brands almost as if they'll become worthless overnight if they aren't handheld from top to bottom even though the MCU has proven all of this wrong about everything from the IPs themselves (Guardians being the easiest example, but Iron Man actually being the original and best) to the directors and writers involved to the studio oversight to fretting over the associated brands even though everyone is showing their ability to be totally capable of NOT BEING CONFUSED by multiple Spider-Man films happening plus all other Spider-Man media out there.

It all makes now the ultimate time to armchair quarterback the Star War franchise  :snob
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on July 17, 2019, 12:06:04 AM
for my money, Perlmutter was right, they're lame superheroes. Yeah a bunch of demigods are brawling and this regular ass dude is running around with a bow and arrow, what is he doing
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on July 17, 2019, 12:11:12 AM
at least he's got epic aiming powers, and probably trick arrows, Black Widow's just got a pair of handguns that have to actually be reloaded

thankfully she's also got a tight black leather outfit
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Uncle on July 17, 2019, 12:14:25 AM
for my money, Perlmutter was right, they're lame superheroes. Yeah a bunch of demigods are brawling and this regular ass dude is running around with a bow and arrow, what is he doing

his best
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on July 17, 2019, 01:34:53 AM
Not a fan of Looper, just too many illogical elements for my taste (no, not calling them plot holes as they aren't necessarily holes in the plot, just plot points that make no sense). His other movies fared worse critically. Seeing how Last Jedi also contains lots of illogical stuff, maybe that's his thing.
Thank you for being more civil than I was in my response, and I respect your willingness not to drop to cheap name-calling.

rian johnson has been permanently stuck in his second year of film school.

saw brick at a friend's birthday. my friend is desperately uncool in that way that can only be achieved by trying to be cool 100% of the time. suffice to say he loved brick and it was trash.
saw brothers bloom on a punt at the cinema, didn't even realise it was rian johnson despite it having all the same hallmarks of immensely lame fedora characters who only total loser would think are hot shit.
saw looper on a student night in a cinema full of dickheads. i fucking hate dickheads at the cinema, but their constant shit talking was somehow more coherent and less try hard than the film. better than the other two though.

even his breaking bad episodes are stuffed full of his loser nerd ideas of what would be a cool out there shot or bit of blocking, all so deliberate and irritating that it takes you completely out of the scene.

i'm sure he has enough basic skills to be a standard issue rent-a-hack, but his nasal delusions of grandeur wouldn't let him just hit something with a straight bat.
Feel free to read the other post to Occam, for which I just apologized.

I think Brothers Bloom is an unrecognized classic, but go ahead and base your opinion on boxoffice returns.

I do like the phrase "nasal delusions of grandeur" though, as an LA refugee.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 17, 2019, 10:30:00 AM
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If you remember, the original tagline for Justice League was #UniteTheSeven. There's only six Justice Leaguers in the film even after Supes is brought back to life.

:thinking

What the fuck Warners?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 17, 2019, 10:39:41 AM
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If you remember, the original tagline for Justice League was #UniteTheSeven. There's only six Justice Leaguers in the film even after Supes is brought back to life.

:thinking

What the fuck Warners?

Booster Gold joins the Justice League. :lawd
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 17, 2019, 11:39:25 AM
Also fuck Tsujihara, he should have been ousted over JL not some #metoo shit.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 17, 2019, 03:33:05 PM
I mean the #metoo shit should have got him canned too of course, but he shouldn't have even been CEO by that point anyways IMO.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on July 17, 2019, 03:36:28 PM
Also fuck Tsujihara, he should have been ousted over JL not some #metoo shit.

Jedi Last ?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 17, 2019, 03:57:30 PM
Justice League.

Kevin Tsujihara was the CEO of Warner Bros. during its production, but was ousted earlier this year when text messages revealed he casting couch'd some woman.

Why we're talking about Snyder and everything ITT specifically is hard to explain but you can track it through the last page or two. :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 17, 2019, 04:09:02 PM
Snyder doing Ep 9 would have been the one movie of his I'd look forward to. Cindi and I would be feasting for days
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 17, 2019, 05:16:52 PM
Snyder is a hack/fraud.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Occam on July 17, 2019, 05:24:32 PM
Btw, I doubt there'll be time travel in Ep 9, that's just too awful. And I also doubt that Luke will be back as anything more than a force ghost. And as for the emperor returning, maybe they'll simply introduce Sith force ghosts.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 17, 2019, 05:27:35 PM
A Sith force ghost makes the most sense or maaaybe a character being possessed by the Emperor's spirit, something like that. The EU did have a lot of stuff about Emperor clones and such, but I just don't see that coming up here. Or time travel. Either of those would just be too far out of left field or ridiculous.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Occam on July 17, 2019, 05:48:27 PM
If they want to undo everything, they could always do it this way:
(https://jaydeanhcr.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/1216119816_1.jpg)
;)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 17, 2019, 06:41:21 PM
Would a Snyder Star Wars be better or worse than BvS?

I have to think it would be worse on a personal level just because on the whole, I'm still fonder of SW than DC comics. It would be objectively terrible, of course.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 17, 2019, 06:49:37 PM
Snyder is a hack/fraud.

But sometimes I want to see a train wreck. Is that so much to ask?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on July 18, 2019, 05:28:58 AM
It couldn't be worse than Snyder adapting The Fountainhead and there'd probably be a few pretty cool action scenes. Don't know about Episode Nine, but one of the side stories, with a bunch of Guardians expy characters hanging out in Hutt Space or some shit.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 18, 2019, 09:10:59 AM
Release the Snyder Cut of Rise of Skywalker.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: kingv on July 18, 2019, 09:44:59 AM
Anyone who doesn’t like Snyder Cuts is Excommunicado
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 18, 2019, 09:45:37 AM
Snyder is a hack/fraud.

I thought this was the point tbh. Man's got a career of 2 hour Linkin Park music videos. Its self aware :thinking

He isn't.

A better example might be Michael Bay (and Nickelback videos or something I dunno); I fully believe he's self-aware about his reputation and types of movies he makes (maybe outside that 'sus Romeo and Juliet Law shit in Transformers 8.)

I don't get that impression from Snyder. He comes off like an Araonofsky type, believing he's making true art. When really it's taking two action figures and smashing them together in a dirty pond.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 18, 2019, 04:47:42 PM
i read rumbler's hack/fraud thing and read it as .hack//fraud and chuckled :fbm
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on July 18, 2019, 04:50:17 PM
Snyder is a hack/fraud.

I thought this was the point tbh. Man's got a career of 2 hour Linkin Park music videos. Its self aware :thinking

He isn't.

A better example might be Michael Bay (and Nickelback videos or something I dunno); I fully believe he's self-aware about his reputation and types of movies he makes (maybe outside that 'sus Romeo and Juliet Law shit in Transformers 8.)

I don't get that impression from Snyder. He comes off like an Araonofsky type, believing he's making true art. When really it's taking two action figures and smashing them together in a dirty pond.

Man of Steel convinced to never watch a single Snyder film ever again. Superman would NEVER destroy buildings like that and be so apathetic to regular people like that. NEVER.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 18, 2019, 05:08:08 PM
i read rumbler's hack/fraud thing and read it as .hack//fraud and chuckled :fbm

Taken as entire franchises, .hack > Star Wars.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 18, 2019, 05:20:15 PM
I really really wanna go to galaxy's edge and build my own lightsaber  :lawd
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on July 18, 2019, 05:24:07 PM
I really really wanna go to galaxy's edge and build my own lightsaber  :lawd

Build-a-Bear for grownups :marimo

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That actually does sound sweet.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Yeti on July 18, 2019, 10:38:04 PM
It’s $200 to build your own lightsaber. Do you know how many copies of BvS you could buy with that kind of money?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 18, 2019, 10:40:05 PM
It’s $200 to build your own lightsaber. Do you know how many copies of BvS you could buy with that kind of money?

200?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 19, 2019, 12:28:30 AM
I really really wanna go to galaxy's edge and build my own lightsaber  :lawd

Build-a-Bear for grownups :marimo

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That actually does sound sweet.
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Nah my dude, that's the droid building experience

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI85COzYyjQ
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on July 19, 2019, 01:08:07 AM
I need to make sure my SO does not hear about that until after she leaves...
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on July 19, 2019, 02:43:15 AM
I need to make sure my SO does not hear about that until after she leaves...

How my forum thinks of me and my commune :
https://youtu.be/yE2L045qTxc

What it really looks like :
(http://i.imgur.com/JMDoaqI.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on August 06, 2019, 11:44:39 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/XgIfDlK.png)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on August 06, 2019, 11:53:14 AM
:dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 06, 2019, 01:48:02 PM
I could believe this.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 06, 2019, 02:02:13 PM
I will now be disappointed if they don't have a giant death star that jizzes out smaller death stars

Besides the Walt Disney Corporation, you mean.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 06, 2019, 04:13:38 PM
It will jizz and you will ask for seconds
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on August 06, 2019, 07:29:26 PM
I will now be disappointed if they don't have a giant death star that jizzes out smaller death stars

Besides the Walt Disney Corporation, you mean.

:dead
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bluemax on August 06, 2019, 11:41:35 PM
Just wait until the new movie has time travel!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on August 15, 2019, 10:14:53 AM
https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/star-wars-fans-rejoice-beloved-character-yoda-return-article-1.3932491

Hey guys, remember Yoda?

(https://i.ibb.co/f0cTtHw/image.png) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB6mt2ptFmM)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on August 15, 2019, 02:28:27 PM
yoder should join the mcu  8)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Uncle on August 15, 2019, 02:34:34 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/1Ol1cP4.png)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Nintex on August 15, 2019, 03:55:45 PM
Puts more credibility in the time travel theory.

Yup, they're doing it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on August 15, 2019, 06:27:50 PM
https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/star-wars-fans-rejoice-beloved-character-yoda-return-article-1.3932491

Hey guys, remember Yoda?

(https://i.ibb.co/f0cTtHw/image.png) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB6mt2ptFmM)

Was wondering if RLM really put that yoda thumbnail because I couldn’t imagine them doing that and so quickly. I see the bbs tags and lmao you bloody bastard, Andy

I’m like,”even if it’s possible for him to take it how is it possible to do on a forum?” “Ohhhhh”
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on August 15, 2019, 06:47:53 PM
:lol It's all I could think of when I read the headline.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 15, 2019, 07:28:35 PM
Yoda already returned though...
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on August 15, 2019, 08:09:40 PM
Yoda already returned though...

No one said Disney was original.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on August 16, 2019, 10:16:55 AM
https://io9.gizmodo.com/report-ewan-mcgregor-will-return-as-obi-wan-kenobi-in-1837288832

Remember Obi-Wan?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on August 16, 2019, 10:25:09 AM
no one is ever really gone
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Occam on August 16, 2019, 11:05:20 AM
By the way, when did Lucas come up with the inane idea that the Jedi live in celibacy?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Uncle on August 16, 2019, 11:13:06 AM
By the way, when did Lucas come up with the inane idea that the Jedi live in celibacy?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/1989505.stm

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But Lucas revealed that despite their monastic regime, Jedi were permitted to have sex.

"Jedi Knights aren't celibate - the thing that is forbidden is attachments - and possessive relationships."
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Post by: Occam on August 16, 2019, 11:14:19 AM
Ok, one thing he didn't completely ruin. Of course allowing sex but forbidding love is idiotic, as well.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 16, 2019, 11:16:39 AM
By the way, when did Lucas come up with the inane idea that the Jedi live in celibacy?

I'm pretty sure that never come up until Episode II, so we could have this :zzz forbidden love subplot.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Occam on August 16, 2019, 11:30:08 AM
By the way, when did Lucas come up with the inane idea that the Jedi live in celibacy?

I'm pretty sure that never come up until Episode II, so we could have this :zzz forbidden love subplot.

And like so many things in the prequels, it makes no sense.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: paprikastaude on August 16, 2019, 12:26:00 PM
I remember when Revenge of the Sith came out, I didn't even know what Sith was. Because none of that redundant shit was in the originals.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on August 16, 2019, 01:19:27 PM
AHAHAHAHAHA

THEY'RE REALLY DOING IT

THEY'RE REALLY DOING IT

I GOTTA SEE THIS TRAIN WRECK :dead :rofl
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on August 16, 2019, 02:13:54 PM
I remember when Revenge of the Sith came out, I didn't even know what Sith was. Because none of that redundant shit was in the originals.

It means disappointed with the cooking of the duck meat.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on August 16, 2019, 03:38:02 PM
Jedi are polyamorous ?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 16, 2019, 04:00:08 PM
Couldn't a Jedi just use the force on a Fleshlight and call it a night?

While force choking yourself. :lawd
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 16, 2019, 10:47:16 PM
Couldn't a Jedi just use the force on a Fleshlight and call it a night?

 :nsfw
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on August 17, 2019, 02:00:47 AM
I remember when Revenge of the Sith came out, I didn't even know what Sith was. Because none of that redundant shit was in the originals.

well then you weren't paying attention when you watched the first two prequels

 :hmph
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on August 17, 2019, 07:12:16 AM
DickieDee, NSFW Spoilertag that, please.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 23, 2019, 09:56:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOC8E8z_ifw

Looks fucking hot as shit, DONT CURR whatchu haters be sayin. Werner fuckin Herzog in this shit, eat a bag of dicks if you ain't on board fam

Also there's gonna be an Obi Wan series with Renton from Trainspotting I guess

https://io9.gizmodo.com/hello-there-the-obi-wan-kenobi-show-is-officially-happ-1837475975
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 23, 2019, 10:08:28 PM
I always wanted to see IG-88 doing stuff, so I'm gonna watch this.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on August 23, 2019, 10:11:28 PM
Looks hot as fuck.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Coffee Dog on August 23, 2019, 10:41:06 PM
I'm really down for a masked man murdering aliens with a star wars aesthetic. Hope its good.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: EchoRin on August 23, 2019, 11:10:41 PM
Werner is the shit. Hopefully him agreeing to this project means it will be at least above average and a hell of a lot better than the safe ass new trilogy.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on August 24, 2019, 12:00:33 AM
Holy shit, that trailer is the first time I've liked anything for Star Wars since TFA. Finally, Star Wars that isn't rebels vs sith and isn't some pointless backstory prequel no one gives a fuck about (Solo).
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on August 24, 2019, 12:34:31 AM
my boy werner about to make the only good star war  8)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on August 24, 2019, 01:11:42 AM
Werner is a huge fan of The Killers, just like me :rejoice
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 24, 2019, 02:13:53 AM
Wow didnt expext this to be good, but now im excited
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: paprikastaude on August 24, 2019, 07:52:10 AM
 :lol  Han Solo freezing is now his canon arresting technique?

This shit all over again.

(http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/mp/Ho32a4obtlPl.jpg)

And all that Rogue One edginess  :mike
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Occam on August 24, 2019, 08:00:22 AM
Yep, that makes no sense. This is another "all Jedi dress like farmers from Tatooine"-moment.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on August 24, 2019, 08:04:47 AM
Way, way back when ROTJ came out, I thought Luke's black outfit on the Endor mission was what Jedi would normally wear. I was so surprised that Obi-Wan, hiding on Tatooine, was wearing his Jedi Uniform all along.
::)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on August 24, 2019, 11:39:05 AM
I'm not creaming my pants at that Boba Fett trailer but yeah it could work. For such a supposedly cool and iconic character, he was quickly turned into a punchline in Return... and utterly trivialised by the whole clone shit in Attack... All they need to do is make him a Lee Van Cleef type in Space Western stories with as little strings as possible to the mainline protagonists. Hardest bit is doing that without him talking (or talking much, I don't expect they will make make the effort of him being mute).
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: EchoRin on August 24, 2019, 12:14:36 PM
Unless I'm misunderstanding the trailer, this is not Bobba Fett. It's just a random bounty hunter.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on August 24, 2019, 12:15:45 PM
Unless I'm misunderstanding the trailer, this is not Bobba Fett. It's just a random bounty hunter.

Which makes the carbon thing even more stupid. Only nitpick with the trailer.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: EchoRin on August 24, 2019, 12:21:39 PM
Unless I'm misunderstanding the trailer, this is not Bobba Fett. It's just a random bounty hunter.

Which makes the carbon thing even more stupid. Only nitpick with the trailer.
Looks cool though.
Shit I don't know. Maybe word got out that Vader had this cool freezing machine that makes you look like a delicious Hershey bar and on top of that it makes it impossible for your captives to escape as they can't even lift a pinky while in this state. That way I can cTch a dozen fools and they won't overpower me in my ship as all of them will be frozen instead of having some jail cell where a group of damn fools doesn't charge me as I try to toss another prisoner into the cell.
 :idont

... But mainly, it looks cool.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on August 24, 2019, 01:34:04 PM
I had to look up after the trailer whether the rumored Boba Fett movie turned into this. :lol

Between the Carbonite and the ending speech making it really seem we should already know/care who this new guy is, normies are gonna be so confused.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Nintex on August 24, 2019, 02:32:44 PM
I see Gus Fring has expanded his drug empire  8)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on August 24, 2019, 03:11:45 PM
Unless I'm misunderstanding the trailer, this is not Bobba Fett. It's just a random bounty hunter.

Oh yeah that's his entire home planet gimmick or something, right ? (It's a bit of a weird "Planet of Hats syndrome" to quote TVTropes but it can work in fiction).
Actually I think it sort of works to salvage that whole cloning Jobbi Jobba Fett. I'm not sure it really matters that it's not him specifically. Looks the same, does the same job, have the same tools : it's Bobba Fett by association.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 24, 2019, 08:42:55 PM
Yeah, I mean it's pretty much just Boba Fett but without the previous story baggage.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 24, 2019, 08:51:06 PM
Can't wait to activate my free two week trial of Disney+ and binge this.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Occam on August 25, 2019, 04:47:41 PM
Way, way back when ROTJ came out, I thought Luke's black outfit on the Endor mission was what Jedi would normally wear. I was so surprised that Obi-Wan, hiding on Tatooine, was wearing his Jedi Uniform all along.
::)

It wasn't just you who thought that. :)
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d3/28/e8/d328e8b270cfd2edde1e60f07b6b5b2a.jpg)
So much better than what we got in the prequels. I've said it before, it's like Lucas didn't know or understand his own movies, and didn't bother to rewatch the original trilogy even once before creating the prequels.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: paprikastaude on August 25, 2019, 04:59:18 PM
https://twitter.com/AskCraigKenneth/status/1165614859209388032
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Nintex on August 25, 2019, 05:19:12 PM
Oh dear, Kylo has the higher ground

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECxm11sWsAAHdX_?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on August 25, 2019, 08:55:05 PM
https://twitter.com/_elvishpresley_/status/1165317834093801472
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on August 26, 2019, 12:52:43 AM
Way, way back when ROTJ came out, I thought Luke's black outfit on the Endor mission was what Jedi would normally wear. I was so surprised that Obi-Wan, hiding on Tatooine, was wearing his Jedi Uniform all along.
::)
'hiding' yet everyone knew the old wizard :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Borealis on August 26, 2019, 10:06:59 AM
Someone's compiled the leaks and spoilers for Ep IX so far:

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NdogzVKRgecnANjj3I_0d-mUFI5n2AswYDBdOEnmwvc/edit
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Enjoy.

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:doge
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on August 26, 2019, 10:19:08 AM
Someone's compiled the leaks and spoilers for Ep IX so far:

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NdogzVKRgecnANjj3I_0d-mUFI5n2AswYDBdOEnmwvc/edit
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Enjoy.

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:doge
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Imagine if humanity could harness the time and energy spent on this document. We may be able to cure cancer overnight.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on August 26, 2019, 10:37:33 AM
And I read it all like a dope, so what does that say.

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A copy of his consciousness is held within an item (the MacGuffin). He possessed a body and ruled as Snoke. When Snoke was cut in half, his consciousness returned to the MacGuffin

:doge
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:doge I really want to know WTF the original plan was with Snoke, or if somehow this was the plan the whole time (really doubt it.)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on August 26, 2019, 10:39:19 AM
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These Star Destroyers are equipped with “planet destroying weapons like the one on the Death Star itself.”
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:doge :doge :doge YOU get a technological terror, and YOU get a technological terror!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Uncle on August 26, 2019, 11:04:17 AM
so snoke is just a lich  ??? ???
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 26, 2019, 11:37:23 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n1T3HxHd7Y
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 26, 2019, 12:32:58 PM
The Sith are like engineers for razor blade companies. "How can we make this better?" "Add more blades!".

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on August 26, 2019, 12:45:53 PM
The Sith are like engineers for razor blade companies. "How can we make this better?" "Add more blades!".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zwz-LfBiuM
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Boogie on August 26, 2019, 12:59:25 PM
Way, way back when ROTJ came out, I thought Luke's black outfit on the Endor mission was what Jedi would normally wear. I was so surprised that Obi-Wan, hiding on Tatooine, was wearing his Jedi Uniform all along.
::)
'hiding' yet everyone knew the old wizard :lol

To be fair, “everyone” being everyone in some rural hick town on a backwater planet in the ass end of the galaxy that nobody was supposed to even have heard of.  (Until after the heroes visit it in four of the next five movies, oops)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on August 26, 2019, 01:07:50 PM
Way, way back when ROTJ came out, I thought Luke's black outfit on the Endor mission was what Jedi would normally wear. I was so surprised that Obi-Wan, hiding on Tatooine, was wearing his Jedi Uniform all along.
::)
'hiding' yet everyone knew the old wizard :lol

To be fair, “everyone” being everyone in some rural hick town on a backwater planet in the ass end of the galaxy that nobody was supposed to even have heard of.  (Until after the heroes visit it in four of the next five movies, oops)

Also to be fair, he’s described as a reclusive hermit and nothing more
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on August 26, 2019, 01:12:04 PM
ballsy move to keep using his government name tho
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on August 26, 2019, 01:15:29 PM
Skywalker spoiler

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lol so Rose isn’t in? All that trouble TLJ and they do nothing to fix her character? Probably because the actress was harassed? Recast her.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Nintex on August 26, 2019, 01:33:11 PM
Skywalker spoiler

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lol so Rose isn’t in? All that trouble TLJ and they do nothing to fix her character? Probably because the actress was harassed? Recast her.
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She's in, quite high up in the Rebellion as Finn's love interest  :comeon
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on August 26, 2019, 01:44:34 PM
Skywalker spoiler

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lol so Rose isn’t in? All that trouble TLJ and they do nothing to fix her character? Probably because the actress was harassed? Recast her.
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She's in, quite high up in the Rebellion as Finn's love interest  :comeon
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I'm still reading. I looked at the character sheet and didn't see her and assumed. :lol She's not even on the poster
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Nintex on August 26, 2019, 02:02:39 PM
Don't worry
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She will be on the Chinese poster  :success
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on August 26, 2019, 02:14:59 PM
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How did Rey put the Skywalker lightsaber together? wasn't it lost in ESB? How did they find it? I hate that questions like that aren't even answered.

-Palpatine is back but not how you'd expect. A copy of his consciousness is held within an item (the MacGuffin). He possessed a body and ruled as Snoke. When Snoke was cut in half, his consciousness returned to the MacGuffin. :rofl

THE FINAL FIGHT

- Kylo and Rey team up to destroy Palpatine once and for all. (Old 4chan leak, unconfirmed but likely).
Rumor: Matt Smith isn’t Palpatine reborn or rejuvenated but a dark side acolyte, he is willfully possessed by the spirit of Emperor Palpatine. (MSW article)
- Matt Smith’s character (a Knight of Ren) is already possessed when they return to Kylo and eventually turns on him. (Old 4chan leak).
- Rumor: Eventually Kylo Ren kills Palpatine’s host body, then Palpatine’s spirit then jumps into Kylo Ren’s body. Kylo Ren is strong enough to not lose total control of his mental faculties. He struggles to take control of his body but subdues himself and his weapon while beckoning Rey to kill him. Kylo does the right thing and becomes Ben Solo again as he sacrifices himself to kill Palpatine. (MSW article)
-Kylo Ren/Ben Solo is injured at the end of the movie (lots of red makeup used, as well as fake blood). (Source)
-According to Jason Ward, Kylo “kind of dies”, but not permanently, apparently. (MSW podcast)
-The movie supposedly ends on Tatooine (Personal speculation: Probably at the Lars homestead with a Binary Sunset shot). (MSW podcast)
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lmao
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on August 26, 2019, 02:15:07 PM
Tell me the dumbest shit from that because I'm not going to read through it. Just give me the worst things from it so I can :jeb

:drudge

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- Snoke was some dude Palpatine possessed -- Snoke's death returned his soul to a MacGuffin, and the goal is to destroy it before Palpa can possess someone else (Matt Smith's character)
- Kylo wants the MacGuffin for power, but then realizes Palpa is out for absolute control and works with the heroes to destroy him
- Palpatine has ALSO kept a force of red Stormtroopers and fleet of Death Star Tech-equipped Star Destroyers in secret in the "Unknown Regions," waiting until now to strike (actually they may have just gotten lost, apparently)
- Kylo dies by letting Palpa possess him and letting Rey kill him (very Dark Phoenix), basically redeeming him Vader style
- The Knights of Ren are apparently basically drunken hooligans
- Rey and Kylo lightsaber fighting causes the entire environment they're fighting in to "warp" back to past/future points in the series, similar to Rey's vision in TFA
- Han Solo is back -- not a Force Ghost per se, but talks to Rey through Luke's Force Ghost or something
- Lando is barely in it ("Maz Canata-like role")
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That's most of what I remember.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 26, 2019, 02:24:29 PM
Looks fucking dope can't wait
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on August 26, 2019, 02:29:11 PM
https://twitter.com/OhNoItsBohbear/status/1166019028026109952
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on August 26, 2019, 02:48:19 PM
https://twitter.com/OhNoItsBohbear/status/1166019028026109952

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2uljwj (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2uljwj)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on August 26, 2019, 03:55:54 PM
Your worst fears ? It was true. All of it. :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TEEEPO on August 26, 2019, 03:56:53 PM
them spoilers :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on August 26, 2019, 04:45:46 PM
By my estimates, almost half of what Mike and *Rich predicted is true (if this leak is accurate.) :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 26, 2019, 05:57:52 PM
Someone's compiled the leaks and spoilers for Ep IX so far:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NdogzVKRgecnANjj3I_0d-mUFI5n2AswYDBdOEnmwvc/edit
[close]

Enjoy.

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:doge
[close]

Quote
“Finn gets emotional closure within his identity—what is family, what is friendship, what is love."

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(https://i.imgur.com/UFnSNlH.gif)
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on August 26, 2019, 06:25:46 PM
Also maybe some OT retconning

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Flashback scenes with younger Luke and Leia, including force training for Leia, and more importantly: one flashback is a conversation the two had in the original trilogy that "changes how we see some of the characters involved in the sequel trilogy."
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Shmi theory confimed :jeb
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Don Rumata on August 26, 2019, 06:48:28 PM
If they really end this movie with
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a binary sun shot on Tatooine
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, this series needs to be put the fuck down, Jesus Christ.

Never seen such a (potentially) cool universe, handled with such creative bankruptcy.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on August 26, 2019, 06:48:55 PM
https://twitter.com/PeerIGN/status/1166118433026498560
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on August 26, 2019, 11:45:36 PM
ballsy move to keep using his government name tho
In fairness, he was known as "Old Ben."
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on August 27, 2019, 12:11:24 AM
Yeah, dude had the most generic name on the planet. No way anyone was finding him on that shit hole.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on August 27, 2019, 12:31:51 AM
ballsy move to keep using his government name tho
In fairness, he was known as "Old Ben."

I may be misremembering,  but they called him Ben Kenobi a few times. I am assuming Kenobi is his last name.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on August 27, 2019, 12:35:15 AM
oh yeah I am a beast

https://youtu.be/s4UhQ4hZzRM (2:52)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: paprikastaude on August 27, 2019, 06:01:29 AM
wtf is everyone talking about in those spoiler tags  :social
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 27, 2019, 09:39:29 AM
wtf is everyone talking about in those spoiler tags  :social

Jar Jar Binks is Snoke.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on August 27, 2019, 09:46:32 AM
wtf is everyone talking about in those spoiler tags  :social

By my estimates, almost half of what Mike and *Rich predicted is true (if this leak is accurate.) :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzeOrA2in1c
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on August 27, 2019, 10:53:38 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/eCP6UwE.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: NekoFever on August 27, 2019, 11:32:40 AM
I may be misremembering,  but they called him Ben Kenobi a few times. I am assuming Kenobi is his last name.

But given that everyone in Star Wars is related to the same dozen people, there are probably quite a few Kenobis.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on August 27, 2019, 12:37:24 PM
I actually think it would have been cooler and scarier if it had been a normal red lightsaber. Like slowly dolly in on her in the black robe ("OMG Rey in black robes??"), give people a second or two to consider the implications, have her slowly pull out a normal-looking lightsaber, and VRSZHHH everything is illuminated red. Cut to logo.

The blade swinging around looks awkward and jerky to me.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: nachobro on August 27, 2019, 12:51:32 PM
need new sword to sell toy of new sword, old sword toys no good anymore
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on August 27, 2019, 12:59:10 PM
what's the merch sales like anyway? are kids buying this shit or is it all being bought by Rich Evans?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: kingv on August 27, 2019, 01:05:08 PM
People still collect the fuck out of Star Wars... but I feel like the main market is really adults now.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on August 27, 2019, 01:12:57 PM
what's the merch sales like anyway? are kids buying this shit or is it all being bought by Rich Evans?

Purely anecdotal of course but hearing from a couple of parents, yeah they do, at least when the hype crests.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on August 27, 2019, 10:21:14 PM
that is one JJ Abrams ass trailer I tell you what
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on August 27, 2019, 10:24:41 PM
I hope everyone dies at the end of IX like in Rogue One

does this make me GamerGate?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
and then Captain Phasma shows up alive in a mid-credits scene
[close]
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Post by: Uncle on August 27, 2019, 11:11:10 PM
what's the merch sales like anyway? are kids buying this shit or is it all being bought by Rich Evans?

(https://i.imgur.com/uBIKkqT.png)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: kingv on August 28, 2019, 12:40:39 AM
So much of Star Wars seems nostalgia based that it’s less for kids than adults now... imo anyway.

Also if you look at the figures they make a lot of the designs are not cool toys for kids unless you love the characters.

A figure of That really forgettable Asian chick from TLJ has been sitting st target for like 2 years. Just think about how wack of a toy that is. Or black guy in a flight jacket, or old grandma woman wearing white, or grandpa with a black leather jacket and a pistol.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on August 28, 2019, 01:18:31 AM
If it was made for adult fans of Star Wars, I'd argue they could never make anything as shit as TLJ, which was obviously not made for people who grew up on the Wars
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bluemax on August 28, 2019, 03:42:41 AM
Man those ROS spoilers are pretty bad. Not TLJ bad though, but still pretty uninspiring. That seems to be kinda all they can manage with any of this new Star Wars stuff, it feels like an uninspired licensed game from the late 90s early 00s.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Uncle on August 28, 2019, 07:42:06 AM
So much of Star Wars seems nostalgia based that it’s less for kids than adults now... imo anyway.

Also if you look at the figures they make a lot of the designs are not cool toys for kids unless you love the characters.

A figure of That really forgettable Asian chick from TLJ has been sitting st target for like 2 years. Just think about how wack of a toy that is. Or black guy in a flight jacket, or old grandma woman wearing white, or grandpa with a black leather jacket and a pistol.

what kid would seriously be excited for a Poe Dameron figurine so he can reenact the famous scene where he is defiant and petulant toward the Admiral Holdo purple hair figurine

I would play with a Luke Skywalker figurine RIGHT NOW he would do cool flips across my desk and start attacking my pair of scissors with his light saber, what the fuck would I do with a Rose
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Nintex on August 30, 2019, 11:07:44 AM
Mild spoiler

So 30 or so rebels vs this:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://i.imgur.com/DhsX2zx.jpg)
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LMAO
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on August 30, 2019, 12:14:28 PM
Mild spoiler

So 30 or so rebels vs this:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://i.imgur.com/DhsX2zx.jpg)
[close]

LMAO

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They all have Death Star Tech™ too. :doge
[close]
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Post by: Momo on August 30, 2019, 12:31:01 PM
They'll send in John Wick
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: kingv on August 30, 2019, 12:56:24 PM
So much of Star Wars seems nostalgia based that it’s less for kids than adults now... imo anyway.

Also if you look at the figures they make a lot of the designs are not cool toys for kids unless you love the characters.

A figure of That really forgettable Asian chick from TLJ has been sitting st target for like 2 years. Just think about how wack of a toy that is. Or black guy in a flight jacket, or old grandma woman wearing white, or grandpa with a black leather jacket and a pistol.

what kid would seriously be excited for a Poe Dameron figurine so he can reenact the famous scene where he is defiant and petulant toward the Admiral Holdo purple hair figurine

I would play with a Luke Skywalker figurine RIGHT NOW he would do cool flips across my desk and start attacking my pair of scissors with his light saber, what the fuck would I do with a Rose

I would reenact that iconic scene where she and Finn run around a casino.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Nintex on August 30, 2019, 12:59:16 PM
That is probably the scene before they have to go and time travel to prevent this.

Or the space Nazi's just straight up win. That would be a nice change actually.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on August 30, 2019, 03:16:35 PM
palps returns, the nupire crushes the nubellion in the first act then it's just a feel good story of how a fractured galaxy returned to order and prosperity.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 30, 2019, 05:30:59 PM
Nintex literally supporting nazis is a turn I think everyone saw coming

filler liking a post by someone saying sympathetic things about nazis is a close second
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Nintex on August 30, 2019, 06:25:50 PM
What if the rebels try to find the death star to use it against the empire.

"Sure, Lando can fix this thing and we can all go home!"

"Oops, the ghost of the emperor is still haunting this thing, halp"


Aw well at least with JJ at the helm it'll look pretty and probably won't have an ugly casino or fake snow planet  :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on August 31, 2019, 01:46:07 PM
Nintex literally supporting nazis is a turn I think everyone saw coming

filler liking a post by someone saying sympathetic things about nazis is a close second
(https://i.imgur.com/2fEnAeK.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on August 31, 2019, 02:01:58 PM
PK FIRE
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on September 13, 2019, 10:49:13 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/mNzuxeT.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/4WqksU5.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/2Hs1ioa.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/iILibHS.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/mjYejEr.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/T0AzvpS.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/3p9hoME.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/3ulUIk8.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/SBqDyT7.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/cQuyCFp.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on September 13, 2019, 10:54:27 AM
:tocry
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 13, 2019, 02:33:05 PM
 :notlikethis
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Nintex on September 13, 2019, 03:33:56 PM
This is literally the shit that has to happen in the movie if they're going to destroy the 200+ Star Destroyers the First Order has with an army of 20 rebels.   :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on September 24, 2019, 01:38:52 AM
Yeeeeowtch. That was great.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on September 26, 2019, 03:58:07 AM
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/marvel-s-kevin-feige-developing-star-wars-movie-disney-1243481

yaaay more bland content
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Ghoul on September 26, 2019, 08:34:34 AM
Disney "We're making too many star wars movies at once"

Also Disney "Let's make more Star Wars films"
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thisismyusername on September 26, 2019, 08:41:17 AM
They'll send in John Wick

You know what? Unironically, that'd be an improvement. I bet John Wick could kill the entire fleet within a minute breaking no sweat.

Bonus, he wouldn't be missing the broadside of a barn like Stormtroopers.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thisismyusername on September 26, 2019, 08:58:55 AM
Someone's compiled the leaks and spoilers for Ep IX so far:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NdogzVKRgecnANjj3I_0d-mUFI5n2AswYDBdOEnmwvc/edit
[close]

Enjoy.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:doge
[close]

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The worm is injured. In a display of previously unknown power, Rey is able to heal the worm’s injuries, satiating the worm and providing the heroes the chance they needed to escape.
[close]

What the fuck.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2019, 09:28:43 AM
Someone's compiled the leaks and spoilers for Ep IX so far:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NdogzVKRgecnANjj3I_0d-mUFI5n2AswYDBdOEnmwvc/edit
[close]

Enjoy.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:doge
[close]

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The worm is injured. In a display of previously unknown power, Rey is able to heal the worm’s injuries, satiating the worm and providing the heroes the chance they needed to escape.
[close]

What the fuck.

I think that's just the plot of the Dune porno parody.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Ghoul on September 27, 2019, 08:42:12 AM
https://twitter.com/brielarson/status/1177395682036109312 (https://twitter.com/brielarson/status/1177395682036109312)

Do it Kevin.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on September 27, 2019, 09:03:35 AM
it's already fucked, so who cares :LucasShrug
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Occam on September 27, 2019, 10:31:38 AM
Whenever I hear Brie, I think of this:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Brie_01.jpg/1200px-Brie_01.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on September 29, 2019, 09:11:44 PM
Whenever I hear Brie, I think of this:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Brie_01.jpg/1200px-Brie_01.jpg)
And when I saw that, my first thought was "Imperial Star Destroyer!"
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: kingv on September 30, 2019, 10:59:35 AM
I read all those spoilers and it really sounds like a fan fiction.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Don Rumata on September 30, 2019, 11:16:40 AM
I read all those spoilers and it really sounds like a fan fiction.
It kind of is when you think about it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bluemax on October 02, 2019, 01:52:09 AM
Someone's compiled the leaks and spoilers for Ep IX so far:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NdogzVKRgecnANjj3I_0d-mUFI5n2AswYDBdOEnmwvc/edit
[close]

Enjoy.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:doge
[close]

These seem to have changed from the last time I read them... and these are actually a lot better. It still has the problem of too much reliance on old nostalgia and everyone being interconnected, but it reads like a more enjoyable Star Wars movie overall.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on October 21, 2019, 10:00:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qn_spdM5Zg
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 21, 2019, 10:31:38 PM
Looks dope, only losers bitch about Star Wars
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 21, 2019, 10:42:43 PM
All this talk about the end of the saga would mean something if the sequel trilogy actually had any real weight or feeling behind it. I don't really care about these characters and they sure don't feel like a group of friends. C3P0 saying "I'm looking at my friends" feels so empty. These characters hardly feel like they've interacted. I don't even feel like Rey knows Poe and so on. The sequel trilogy has really failed.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 21, 2019, 10:43:30 PM
lol loser
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on October 21, 2019, 10:51:34 PM
it's probably the more interesting of the trailers for any of this trilogy

i like seein all dem star destroyers, especially breaking out of the ice, makes me think of the Thrawn Trilogy where they're trying to unearth all the old ships they can
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 22, 2019, 01:33:59 AM
Oh Rose is in it! I'm sure this'll be GREAT!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: EchoRin on October 22, 2019, 01:55:19 AM
That trailer actually got me hyped opposed to the one where Rey jumps over evil ship in desert trailer.

I still think the second film didn't line things up well enough to build up a final crescendo, but whatever. At this point you gotta conclude it even if the characters arcs seem undercooked.

And in response to the other post, why wouldn't Rose still be in this movie? I don't recall her dying or anything after trying to pull a love can bloom on a battlefield moment which was awful awful awful in episode 8.

Edit: I agree with Rahx.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on October 22, 2019, 02:21:47 AM
it will be the best out of the triology, but that's like being the best out of the marvel crapverse. completely forgettable, with no good reason for repeat viewings. except it's so unmemorable that you end up watching again at some point, then regret and forget again
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on October 22, 2019, 04:00:59 AM
it's true, all of it: https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/cxmfsv/the_basic_plot_of_episode_ix_the_rise_of/

All this talk about the end of the saga would mean something if the sequel trilogy actually had any real weight or feeling behind it. I don't really care about these characters and they sure don't feel like a group of friends. C3P0 saying "I'm looking at my friends" feels so empty. These characters hardly feel like they've interacted. I don't even feel like Rey knows Poe and so on. The sequel trilogy has really failed.

yeah, i enjoyed the trailer, but it feels like they're trying to conjure a great sense of mystery, desperation and finality based on fuck all beyond big visuals, a soaring soundtrack and lines usually found on the wall of a call centre. like trying to conjure enthusiasm for your 5th wank of the hour by hanging your belt round the door handle.

still, it can't be as creatively barren as VII or outright terrible as VIII, even if the leaks make it sound like a parody of how JJ would make a star wars film.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on October 22, 2019, 04:23:33 AM
even the dopey
spoiler (click to show/hide)
sith dagger macguffin
[close]
is in the trailer:

(https://i.imgur.com/kaBHkKe.png)

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Ghoul on October 22, 2019, 05:41:13 AM
just watched the trailer after having a few people text me about it.

I am no way going opening night to this.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: MMaRsu on October 22, 2019, 09:20:38 AM
Did u guys ever see this?

Pretty dope

https://youtu.be/to2SMng4u1k
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 22, 2019, 09:38:42 AM
You know, Rey, we really are the Star Wars.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Don Rumata on October 22, 2019, 10:59:25 AM
The trailer has some really neat visuals and exciting set pieces it seems; already better than VIII in that sense, but this...
All this talk about the end of the saga would mean something if the sequel trilogy actually had any real weight or feeling behind it. I don't really care about these characters and they sure don't feel like a group of friends. C3P0 saying "I'm looking at my friends" feels so empty. These characters hardly feel like they've interacted. I don't even feel like Rey knows Poe and so on. The sequel trilogy has really failed.
Is the main issue.

It's comical how they managed to create a trilogy arguably more messy than the prequels one, not necessarily worse, but certainly less cohesive.
These characters barely had a clear arc, barely interacted with one another, and were essentially suffocated by the nostalgia bait and the old cameos.
Also how the fuck do you constantly retcon within the span of 3 movies? It's like each movie was bring written in secret, from the other ones.

Too bad, despite not thinking much of the movie itself, i really liked the new characters in VII.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: kingv on October 22, 2019, 01:24:52 PM
Oh Rose is in it! I'm sure this'll be GREAT!

The female Han Solo.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: kingv on October 22, 2019, 01:27:20 PM
The trailer has some really neat visuals and exciting set pieces it seems; already better than VIII in that sense, but this...
All this talk about the end of the saga would mean something if the sequel trilogy actually had any real weight or feeling behind it. I don't really care about these characters and they sure don't feel like a group of friends. C3P0 saying "I'm looking at my friends" feels so empty. These characters hardly feel like they've interacted. I don't even feel like Rey knows Poe and so on. The sequel trilogy has really failed.

Writing a trilogy one movie at a time, with no end goal in mind, and no consideration for what comes next is the dumbest way to handle these movies.

It's comical how they managed to create a trilogy arguably more messy than the prequels one, not necessarily worse, but certainly less cohesive.
These characters barely had a clear arc, barely interacted with one another, and were essentially suffocated by the nostalgia bait and the old cameos.
Also how the fuck do you constantly retcon within the span of 3 movies? It's like each movie was bring written in secret, from the other ones.

Too bad, despite not thinking much of the movie itself, i really liked the new characters in VII.

The written in secret thing is the problem with the trilogy. They wrote each movie of a trilogy, one movie at a time, with no consideration with where it was going next.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2019, 01:30:41 PM
The written in secret thing is the problem with the trilogy. They wrote each movie of a trilogy, one movie at a time, with no consideration with where it was going next.

It still boggles my mind that they did this. Like, I'm actually fine with the second movie blasting apart the things that the first movie set up but if they're just going to retcon everything in the third movie, then what was the point of it all?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 22, 2019, 01:31:21 PM
Except for that 3CPO line it looks good.

Gonna enjoy another good Star Wars movie this winter.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 22, 2019, 05:36:18 PM
The trailer has some really neat visuals and exciting set pieces it seems; already better than VIII in that sense, but this...
All this talk about the end of the saga would mean something if the sequel trilogy actually had any real weight or feeling behind it. I don't really care about these characters and they sure don't feel like a group of friends. C3P0 saying "I'm looking at my friends" feels so empty. These characters hardly feel like they've interacted. I don't even feel like Rey knows Poe and so on. The sequel trilogy has really failed.

Writing a trilogy one movie at a time, with no end goal in mind, and no consideration for what comes next is the dumbest way to handle these movies.

It's comical how they managed to create a trilogy arguably more messy than the prequels one, not necessarily worse, but certainly less cohesive.
These characters barely had a clear arc, barely interacted with one another, and were essentially suffocated by the nostalgia bait and the old cameos.
Also how the fuck do you constantly retcon within the span of 3 movies? It's like each movie was bring written in secret, from the other ones.

Too bad, despite not thinking much of the movie itself, i really liked the new characters in VII.

The written in secret thing is the problem with the trilogy. They wrote each movie of a trilogy, one movie at a time, with no consideration with where it was going next.

The most hilarious and mindboggling part is that this is the same company that had already released a dozen Marvel movies and had the next 20 movies mapped out. They paid $4 BILLION for Star Wars and then were like "just wing it, lul".
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Ghoul on October 22, 2019, 05:42:13 PM
They looked at the prequels and said these nerds eat up any old shit.
Go wild guys you can’t fuck this up more than Lucas!
Just make sure you add a bunch of characters we can sell figures of etc thanks!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bluemax on October 23, 2019, 01:20:51 AM
Have Poe/Rey had any interactions

I was thinking about this and I think maybe they meet barely at the end of TFA? And then again when she saves everyone at the end of TLJ? Also I couldn't remember which happens first, the big nonsense portion on the Star Destroyer or the nonsense on the ground.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on October 23, 2019, 04:28:54 AM
i'm sure they'll have had loads of great heartwarming adventures of daring do and camaderie in the big void between the shite films.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thisismyusername on October 23, 2019, 05:37:11 AM
Oh Rose is in it! I'm sure this'll be GREAT!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwdUZKMz040

The trailer has some really neat visuals and exciting set pieces it seems; already better than VIII in that sense, but this...
All this talk about the end of the saga would mean something if the sequel trilogy actually had any real weight or feeling behind it. I don't really care about these characters and they sure don't feel like a group of friends. C3P0 saying "I'm looking at my friends" feels so empty. These characters hardly feel like they've interacted. I don't even feel like Rey knows Poe and so on. The sequel trilogy has really failed.

Writing a trilogy one movie at a time, with no end goal in mind, and no consideration for what comes next is the dumbest way to handle these movies.

It's comical how they managed to create a trilogy arguably more messy than the prequels one, not necessarily worse, but certainly less cohesive.
These characters barely had a clear arc, barely interacted with one another, and were essentially suffocated by the nostalgia bait and the old cameos.
Also how the fuck do you constantly retcon within the span of 3 movies? It's like each movie was bring written in secret, from the other ones.

Too bad, despite not thinking much of the movie itself, i really liked the new characters in VII.

The written in secret thing is the problem with the trilogy. They wrote each movie of a trilogy, one movie at a time, with no consideration with where it was going next.

The most hilarious and mindboggling part is that this is the same company that had already released a dozen Marvel movies and had the next 20 movies mapped out. They paid $4 BILLION for Star Wars and then were like "just wing it, lul".

They knew you bitches would eat anything Star Wars releated, and surprise: You did with them making box-office bank on the last two.

The only way to stop them and have them pull a MCU on the series (aka: plan everything) is have more "Solo: A Star Wars story" bombs.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Huff on October 23, 2019, 06:11:04 AM
Trailer was boring. Meh I’ll torrent it in April
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Don Rumata on October 23, 2019, 12:56:49 PM
They knew you bitches would eat anything Star Wars releated, and surprise: You did with them making box-office bank on the last two.

The only way to stop them and have them pull a MCU on the series (aka: plan everything) is have more "Solo: A Star Wars story" bombs.
The only one i've seen in the cinema was VII, and i've stopped exactly because it was clear they didn't know what the fuck they were doing, so i wouldn't agree with that.
I'd say after the Prequel Trilogy/Special Editions, anybody was ecstatic to see SW in the hands of anybody BUT Lucas; they had a free goal, and still managed to sort of hit the post.


How the fuck do they manage to make every SW film that comes out somehow controversial, despite being a saga about space wizards and laser swords.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 23, 2019, 05:07:51 PM
Rogue One had it's heart in the right place. It was supposed to be a story about random people/misfits (getting fucked over by the Empire) banding together to pull off an impossible heist.  Like a "Dirty Dozen" in space.

But (I'm guessing due to editing by the studio), the story was chopped up in such a way that you never felt like the other team members had their moment to shine and really be integral to pulling off the heist. So, we got all this set up of introducing them but never the pay off at the end. 

I don't think world-building is really crucial in a story like that. It's more about character arcs and proper casting (which they also kind of whiffed on).

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on October 23, 2019, 05:38:29 PM
What they did to Rogue One after starting marketing it was a canary in the long run.

Release a movie in which there's no shots from your first trailer remaining brehs.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Uncle on October 24, 2019, 08:15:34 AM
Another thing I'll bring up, that I've never seen anyone talk about, is just how lived-in that world feels in ANH.

You see a town of a bunch of poor folk controlled by an empire, filled with authoritative troops, and there's a jazz bar where smugglers interact.

jizz bar actually (https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Jizz)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 24, 2019, 08:46:16 AM
The lack of jizzing in the sequel trilogy has been the biggest disappointment.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on October 24, 2019, 09:41:13 AM
#FreeGeorgeLucas

give him unrestrained creative freedom so he can finally bring Darth Icky to the big screen

 :rejoice
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Don Rumata on October 24, 2019, 11:17:59 AM
What they did to Rogue One after starting marketing it was a canary in the long run.

Release a movie in which there's no shots from your first trailer remaining brehs.
I think the director outright said he took some of those shots specifically because they'd look good in a trailer, without any intention of having them in the movie, which is beyond bizarre, even though it makes sense, that guy has only made visually fun movies, with nothing else behind them.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on October 24, 2019, 11:22:34 AM
Rogue One was better than Solo and Last Jedi
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 24, 2019, 01:06:10 PM
Darth Icky sitting in the corner of the jizz bar, asking strangers if they've ever heard the tragedy of Great Plagueis the Wise....only to add a little more to the story that SHEV left out: Plagueis came back to life and he's ickier than ever


:rejoice

I'm thinking about this gif but with a Darth Vader helmet:

(https://i.imgur.com/oOuMJxK.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on October 26, 2019, 12:36:19 AM
https://twitter.com/LabourDarren/status/1187813067092045829
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 28, 2019, 11:10:22 PM
I give the new Mandalorian trailer Werner Herzog out of 10.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: NekoFever on October 29, 2019, 05:24:01 AM
I didn't know he was in it until I watched this trailer and suddenly I'm much more interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrRNM9cMBDk
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Ghoul on October 29, 2019, 06:28:51 AM
Who got their tickets to star wars then? Admit it!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BIONIC on October 29, 2019, 06:59:44 AM
Who got their tickets to star wars then? Admit it!

:kobeyuck
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on October 29, 2019, 08:06:07 AM
D&D are out from Star Wars
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on October 29, 2019, 09:52:43 PM
D&D are out from Star Wars

Dungeons and Dragons? Whut?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 29, 2019, 10:40:46 PM
D&D are out from Star Wars

Dungeons and Dragons? Whut?

The two guys that were showrunners for Game of Thrones.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thisismyusername on October 29, 2019, 10:59:05 PM
D&D are out from Star Wars

Dungeons and Dragons? Whut?

The two guys that were showrunners for Game of Thrones.

I think Chrono knows, but his joke is way funnier because that's how most folks would read it if it wasn't Game of Thrones-Dungeons and Dragons super fans.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 30, 2019, 09:04:46 AM
Dokken?!

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noLPhZvcBpw
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bluemax on October 30, 2019, 11:58:45 PM
Rogue One was better than Solo and Last Jedi

It might be better on a technical level but I enjoyed Solo way more.

Darth Icky sitting in the corner of the jizz bar, asking strangers if they've ever heard the tragedy of Great Plagueis the Wise....only to add a little more to the story that SHEV left out: Plagueis came back to life and he's ickier than ever


:rejoice

I'm thinking about this gif but with a Darth Vader helmet:

(https://i.imgur.com/oOuMJxK.gif)

(https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-26-2016/awm39O.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on November 12, 2019, 09:39:06 PM
mandalorian  :rejoice it's star war, but it's not  :thinking but it's good  :)

doesn't exactly feel like star war, but it's in the star war universe. at times I got a feeling of vidya cut scenes, but in a good way  :doge

it's a good sci-fi that just happens to be star war
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 12, 2019, 09:42:23 PM
One episode so its impossible to really give a full opinion of course on how the show will turn out but I liked the first episode. In a way it felt like a better Star Wars experience precisely because it was on TV and used that format properly. Hopefully it doesn't get stupid in that way star wars can stumble into.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on November 12, 2019, 11:45:48 PM
The only thing that slightly made me lol was the idea that mandalorians dont take their helmets off, otherwise it was okay.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: daemon on November 13, 2019, 05:10:56 AM
The written in secret thing is the problem with the trilogy. They wrote each movie of a trilogy, one movie at a time, with no consideration with where it was going next.

It still boggles my mind that they did this. Like, I'm actually fine with the second movie blasting apart the things that the first movie set up but if they're just going to retcon everything in the third movie, then what was the point of it all?

 /rian giggles

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Occam on November 13, 2019, 06:27:03 AM
Apparently there are new changes to at least ANH on Disney+ :dead

 :lol what? the one thing people wanted them to do now that Lucas is out of the picture and they fuck it up? :dead

No longer matters since the release of the 4K restoration. The film has been preserved for eternity in its original form.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on November 13, 2019, 08:15:42 AM
A New Hope was off the table forever because Fox had distribution, but now Disney literally owns the entire movie franchise dead to rights (no asterisks.)

I guess to say, if we don't get despecialized versions from Disney, then 100% there's language in Lucas's sale contract about changes to his movies. He's exactly the type of businessperson/creative combo to negotiate something like that.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 13, 2019, 12:59:02 PM
Watched the Mandalorian.
I gotta admit, I was more entertained and interested in that one episode than I was in 6 of the 8 mainline Star Wars movies.
That being said, I think it's more a statement of what I think of mainline Star Wars movies than the show. But still... :trumps
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on November 15, 2019, 10:22:15 PM
mandalorians ep 2 is out   :lucas
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Nuitangg on November 15, 2019, 11:40:43 PM
30 minute episode  :-\
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Occam on November 16, 2019, 01:38:55 AM
And it's only 8 episodes. So less than 5h total. That's why they are stretching it to one episode a week for the remainder of the season.
Here's a brilliant idea: devide the rest into 10 minute segments. That way Disney+ could make it last another 4 1/2 months!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on November 16, 2019, 02:19:18 AM
This episode was a fetch quest :/
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on November 16, 2019, 06:10:06 AM
I really liked VII at the time. Biggest waste of potential I've seen in a while.

Will Redbox IX and laugh at it and celebrate the end of star wars.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on November 16, 2019, 06:13:34 AM
The trailer has some really neat visuals and exciting set pieces it seems; already better than VIII in that sense, but this...
All this talk about the end of the saga would mean something if the sequel trilogy actually had any real weight or feeling behind it. I don't really care about these characters and they sure don't feel like a group of friends. C3P0 saying "I'm looking at my friends" feels so empty. These characters hardly feel like they've interacted. I don't even feel like Rey knows Poe and so on. The sequel trilogy has really failed.

Writing a trilogy one movie at a time, with no end goal in mind, and no consideration for what comes next is the dumbest way to handle these movies.

It's comical how they managed to create a trilogy arguably more messy than the prequels one, not necessarily worse, but certainly less cohesive.
These characters barely had a clear arc, barely interacted with one another, and were essentially suffocated by the nostalgia bait and the old cameos.
Also how the fuck do you constantly retcon within the span of 3 movies? It's like each movie was bring written in secret, from the other ones.

Too bad, despite not thinking much of the movie itself, i really liked the new characters in VII.

The written in secret thing is the problem with the trilogy. They wrote each movie of a trilogy, one movie at a time, with no consideration with where it was going next.

The most hilarious and mindboggling part is that this is the same company that had already released a dozen Marvel movies and had the next 20 movies mapped out. They paid $4 BILLION for Star Wars and then were like "just wing it, lul".

Star wars is impossible to fuck up. Like a ramen packet or mash potatoes after all.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on November 16, 2019, 06:21:03 AM
Another thing I'll bring up, that I've never seen anyone talk about, is just how lived-in that world feels in ANH.

You see a town of a bunch of poor folk controlled by an empire, filled with authoritative troops, and there's a jazz bar where smugglers interact.

There's a weird human/hairy beast duo that run together and understand each other despite Chewbacca's lack of English.

You get the feeling that they've been doing this for a long time, and you get the feeling that there's a ton of people like them. You get that in their dialogue, in the way they interact with everyone etc.

All these new movies lack any sort of imagination or world-building, a lot of times people are "The One", or there's special significance drawn to same geriatric characters, no longer is there a universe to explore... but a plot to follow.

It's one of the reasons why Rogue One feels so terrible, sure it's an "outer worlds" story, but it's not delivered in any way that seems like a realistic progression.

Great summation of arguments I've used since the release of Rogue One and Last Jedi with both being utter crap.

People really tried to convince me that a ragtag group of people that barely know each other are going to do a suicide mission.

I felt insane when I saw rogue one and the initial praise and hype. Surely the rest of the world was smoking crack.

People really tried to convince me that Last Jedi was similar to Empire in earned character set up despite a giant swath of Empire bring slow build up with a majority of the story being on an isolated swamp planet and Han and co evading the Empire by sitting in a "hole" just talking. When you take your time, your story is earned. Nothing is earned in Last Jedi. Half the movie is a wild goose chase.

Bad movies.

Feels good to have feelings I've felt for years reiterated back.

Star wars is crap outside the original trilogy.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Don Rumata on November 16, 2019, 07:34:25 AM
I really liked VII at the time. Biggest waste of potential I've seen in a while.

Will Redbox IX and laugh at it and celebrate the end of star wars.
Between this and Shenmue's, a lot of deaths you're celebrating!  :-*
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on November 16, 2019, 07:35:53 AM
Shit happens.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Don Rumata on November 16, 2019, 07:42:25 AM
Anyway, i thought solo did the "world building" bu is talking about, somewhat decently.
It was the least horrid one yet, in my opinion, even though it wasn't all that good either.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on November 16, 2019, 07:46:56 AM
I still haven't seen solo.

After rogue one showed its ass I vowed to never see another one of the announced star wars spin off movies so I haven't bothered.

Last Jedi killed any remaining interest I have in star wars outside the original trilogy so that gave me even more resolve.

The issue isn't just world building. It's character building. Star wars, despite whatever perception of what it is, were slow ass movies that took their time. Back in the day you would marinate in a story. We see Luke's dreams and concerns. We are with him as he peers into the tatooine horizon hoping for something more. We see his faith in Obi wan and by extension the force but also Han's dismissal of it. TFW served as a great template. It had a lot of moments like that. My favorite of which being the scene with rey eating her food while wearing the helmet. The only real character/story flaw is the lack of interaction with Poe.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 16, 2019, 10:34:49 AM
30 minute episode  :-\

Honestly, I'm fine with both episodes being the length they've been. Just stretching it out to meet some arbitrary hour time length is generally an undiscused flaw of traditional 1 hour tv shows.

Episode 2 was mostly world building, nostalgia nods, and setting the table but I'm fine with that.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on November 16, 2019, 11:01:00 AM
mandalorian  :rejoice it's star war, but it's not  :thinking but it's good  :)

doesn't exactly feel like star war, but it's in the star war universe. at times I got a feeling of vidya cut scenes, but in a good way  :doge

it's a good sci-fi that just happens to be star war

It's awesome. To me it does feel more like old school SW than Diznee.

Also, it's impressive how much tech and production values have come. The production in this are not TV-series quality.

This dude is who Boba Fett could've and should've been if he wasn't a lame ass fucking clone.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on November 16, 2019, 11:12:33 AM
It's got some good production but it still definitely looks like a (high end) TV show IMO.

Interesting story so far. Herzog. <3
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on November 16, 2019, 11:18:08 AM
I guess I don't watch enough high end TV shows? I mean, GoT kind of raised the bar on that whole thing. This definitely has an HBO production feel to it. I'm not saying this is 1:1 to a feature film standard, but with a little polish it could be. And it's mostly character driven, so they can be sparing with the effects.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on November 16, 2019, 11:33:02 AM
Maybe it's the SW universe trappings, or a personal issue, but I seem to notice distinct sets more often on this show than GoT or WestWorld. Some of the costuming sometimes looked cheap to me too but I'd have to watch again.

Stellar editing, effects, and music of course. Disney did spend bank on this, and it shows all over the place. Consider my comments minor nitpicks.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on November 16, 2019, 11:56:44 AM
yeah, it's still a TV show after all. I am enjoying this far more than all the SW movies Disney has put out thus far.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on November 16, 2019, 03:43:36 PM
lmao Baby Yoda ate a whole damn frog
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on November 16, 2019, 04:10:21 PM
two eps in and it's already the best star war
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on November 16, 2019, 04:16:03 PM
possibly a lil babby one!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on November 16, 2019, 04:22:21 PM
so are the yoda;s species extremely force sensitive or something? They have the highest midi-chlorian counts?  :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on November 16, 2019, 04:27:52 PM
do not feed him after midnight!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on November 16, 2019, 06:21:02 PM
so are the yoda;s species extremely force sensitive or something? They have the highest midi-chlorian counts?  :doge

That's what I'm assuming they're going with.

Or there's a WestWorld-like time shift twist and this is actually Old Republic days or some shit and that's really Yoda for real
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on November 16, 2019, 06:27:14 PM
so are the yoda;s species extremely force sensitive or something? They have the highest midi-chlorian counts?  :doge

That's what I'm assuming they're going with.

Or there's a WestWorld-like time shift twist and this is actually Old Republic days or some shit and that's really Yoda for real

I don't think it's the latter because they referenced the failing Empire
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on November 16, 2019, 07:46:02 PM
Yeah, and the stormtrooper designs are 1:1 with the OT Empire, soooooooo yeah. Probably not.

But who knows? :idont

Maybe it's some crazy shit like scene to scene it's literally a different character under the Mandalorian armor?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on November 16, 2019, 11:23:27 PM
where the babbie yoda toys at? the perfect christmas gift  :hyper
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Ghoul on November 19, 2019, 08:45:01 AM
where the babbie yoda toys at? the perfect christmas gift  :hyper

Next year, Disney wouldn't just throw them out when Disney+ isn't a world wide cult.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 19, 2019, 09:01:14 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/459MU5q.jpg)


 :hmm

#teamdarth
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on November 19, 2019, 10:39:12 AM
Chad Vader redeems himself (throwing the Emperor down a mineshaft) while virgin Anakin betrays the Republic and kills younglings, Vader wins easily.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on November 21, 2019, 02:08:55 AM
After the first episode I was worried The Mandalorian was going to be the first Star Wars product actually made for dads who wear Empire Strikes Back shirts but then in episode 2 it became clear that the show was going to answer the question no one asked but Lucasfilm was happy to answer anyway ("What if Yoshi's Island was a Star Wars show?") and our eponymous Mandalorian got the shit kicked out of him by a bunch of Jawas who made fun of him for being a monoglot. What an absolute zero like Jango, Boba, the Brothers Saxon, et cetera. :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Rufus on November 21, 2019, 02:43:39 AM
After the first episode I was worried The Mandalorian was going to be the first Star Wars product actually made for dads who wear Empire Strikes Back shirts but then in episode 2 it became clear that the show was going to answer the question no one asked but Lucasfilm was happy to answer anyway ("What if Yoshi's Island was a Star Wars show?") and our eponymous Mandalorian got the shit kicked out of him by a bunch of Jawas who made fun of him for being a monoglot. What an absolute zero like Jango, Boba, the Brothers Saxon, et cetera. :lol
Between this and the baby looking stinking cute I might just have to acquire an unlicensed copy of this.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bluemax on November 21, 2019, 03:44:26 AM
Karakand is back!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on November 21, 2019, 03:46:37 AM
I had him locked in my wine cellar, well he wasnt locked, I just put out some cheese and books and he stayed :smug 
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on November 21, 2019, 09:38:21 AM
I had him locked in my wine cellar, well he wasnt locked, I just put out some cheese and books and he stayed :smug 

I just say his name three times in front of a darkened room's mirror.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thisismyusername on November 25, 2019, 03:59:20 PM
https://twitter.com/cushbomb/status/1199008403332517890

Relevance: https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1198955861743325184

"THEY FLY NOW!"
"They fly now."

:snoop
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 25, 2019, 04:01:33 PM
They fly now?
They fly now!
They fly now.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 25, 2019, 04:05:12 PM
Marvel/Disney banter-humor really is absolute garbage trash.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thisismyusername on November 25, 2019, 04:16:29 PM
Normally, it isn't that bad. But sweet Jesus: Why are they surprised Stormtroopers have jetpacks?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Ghoul on November 25, 2019, 04:31:55 PM
YA KNOW IF YOU HATE THIS, YOU ARE ALT RIGHT SCUM
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on November 25, 2019, 04:33:08 PM
About as dumb as, "NEVER TELL ME THE ODDS," sorry.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 25, 2019, 04:36:29 PM
About as dumb as, "NEVER TELL ME THE ODDS," sorry.

Oh yeah, we'll that's not what your mom said last night! Boom! Star Wars reference!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: paprikastaude on November 25, 2019, 04:40:17 PM
The trash tier Disney humour isn't quite that but the over-reliance on what is basically the comedic equivalent of jump scares.

*build up overly serious scene for obvious tension break*
:derp "DERP" :derp

*build up overly serious scene for obvious tension break*
:derp "YO MAMA IS FAT" :derp

*build up overly serious scene for obvious tension break*
:derp "ONE LINER LOL IDUNCUR - FUNNY" :derp
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Ghoul on November 25, 2019, 04:48:50 PM
So I went to opening night of TLJ and my friends and I sneaked in a bunch of wine/beers etc.

I got so drunk halfway through that I left to take a piss but ended up in a bowling alley and did a bunch of coke lost track of time and had to walk to my buddies house to collect my stuff at 3am

Pretty good film tbh.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: paprikastaude on November 25, 2019, 05:00:32 PM
https://twitter.com/WIRED/status/1199021463942160384

anyone read the leak? :hitler
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Nintex on November 25, 2019, 05:17:59 PM
We gotta hand it to JJ. He at least made a film that already looks like Star Wars which was something Ryan Johnson never achieved in the entire runtime of TLJ.

The marketing for Rise of Skywalker is kinda weird though, not as much hoopla as with TLJ. Disney is promoting the Mandalorian more.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on November 25, 2019, 05:20:55 PM
Yeah I'm expecting it to suck and would agree the ST is worse with the stock quips but this isn't that different from most of those from the OT :yeshrug

Why you stuck up, half-witted, scruffy looking NERF HERDER!

WHO'S SCRUFFY LOOKING?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: daemon on November 25, 2019, 06:05:04 PM
They fly now!

/Cries in jet clonetrooper
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Nintex on November 25, 2019, 06:13:59 PM
very cool
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on November 25, 2019, 06:30:17 PM
https://twitter.com/WIRED/status/1199021463942160384

anyone read the leak? :hitler

:hitler
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thisismyusername on November 25, 2019, 06:31:30 PM
Don't lie, you rehearsed the script to where you and your Grindr date light-saber fight with your erections while you both spout lines from the leaked script.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Nintex on November 25, 2019, 06:45:57 PM
Daisy left the script under her bed. Silly girl.

Kylo: "The Emperor I can sense him..."

*lightsaber battle*

Stormtrooper: "I guess we really are the last of us"
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 25, 2019, 06:52:21 PM
They fly now!

/Cries in jet clonetrooper

NOW THIS IS JETPACKING
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Nintex on November 25, 2019, 06:53:07 PM
HE SURE IS PACKING JETS!


How much are we betting this is sort of a 'running joke' in the film and one or two silly looking aliens will jetpack across the screen way too many times.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on November 25, 2019, 07:14:46 PM
They fly now!

/Cries in jet clonetrooper

Or Imperial Super Commando. :expert
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Occam on November 25, 2019, 07:39:09 PM
https://twitter.com/WIRED/status/1199021463942160384

anyone read the leak? :hitler

Disney got it back before it was sold. It's not available online.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 25, 2019, 08:09:43 PM
"They fly now"
Shalt thou say but only one
Twice, shalt thou not say said line
Three times is flat out.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on November 25, 2019, 09:24:08 PM
George: They fly now.
Jerry: They fly now?
Kramer: *zip hand motion* Oh, they’re flyin, Jerry

 :larry
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thisismyusername on November 25, 2019, 09:48:41 PM
George: They fly now.
Jerry: They fly now?
Kramer: *zip hand motion* Oh, they’re flyin, Jerry

 :larry

https://twitter.com/pixelatedboat/status/1199093898779348993
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on November 25, 2019, 10:14:36 PM
whole franchise trash outside of mandalorians
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bluemax on November 25, 2019, 11:25:31 PM
I watched the first episode of the Mandalorian finally.

It's... fucking bad. I mean there's some cool visuals I guess for a tv show, but the writing makes no fucking sense.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on November 25, 2019, 11:27:37 PM
 ::)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thisismyusername on November 25, 2019, 11:45:38 PM
whole franchise trash outside of mandalorians

And KotOR/KotOR2 (depending on your poison), and Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast/Jedi Academy, and Republic Commando. :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 25, 2019, 11:47:16 PM
I read about the guy who played Jar Jar getting so much hate (much of it racism based) from Star War nerds that he was in a deep depression and nearly killed himself multiple times.

You can only kill yourself once.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: daemon on November 25, 2019, 11:50:53 PM
I read about the guy who played Jar Jar getting so much hate (much of it racism based) from Star War nerds that he was in a deep depression and nearly killed himself multiple times.

You can only kill yourself once.

Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: daemon on November 25, 2019, 11:53:38 PM
I watched the first episode of the Mandalorian finally.

It's... fucking bad. I mean there's some cool visuals I guess for a tv show, but the writing makes no fucking sense.

I know right. I also watched 10 minutes of a New Hope and i'm like: how did we get from spaceships and cool lasers to a farmer in a sandy planet? That shit makes no sense.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on November 25, 2019, 11:57:30 PM
I've resolved my impasse with the helmet thing by inventing a head cannon where this specific mandelorian clan has a thing about keeping helmets on cause it's their thing and it doesnt have anything to do with mandalorians overall.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: daemon on November 26, 2019, 12:00:04 AM
"Sequel fanboys cant hurt you, they're not real"

Sequel fanboys:

(https://i.imgur.com/2VXnTqr.png)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 26, 2019, 12:31:41 AM
This is not okay.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on November 26, 2019, 02:30:48 AM
https://twitter.com/emanuelmaiberg/status/1199087429333983232
I'm also noticing that The Clone Wars animated series (not REBELS) displays nearly all its shading with black, without any kind bounce lighting, rim lighting, etc. It's oddly flat and unattractive. Which trips me out, because I actually enjoy the painterly textured look they're using min most other cases.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on November 26, 2019, 02:47:06 AM
https://twitter.com/austin_walker/status/1199091775014686720
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Ghoul on November 26, 2019, 10:13:42 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx2jIjv5g-M

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thisismyusername on November 26, 2019, 10:23:37 AM
Sequel fanboys:

(https://i.imgur.com/2VXnTqr.png)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXtuieDdFQM

I await the Baby Yoda going back to Yoda-Japan arc of Star Wars.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on November 26, 2019, 10:32:10 AM
Sequel fanboys:

(https://i.imgur.com/2VXnTqr.png)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXtuieDdFQM

I await the Baby Yoda going back to Yoda-Japan arc of Star Wars.

Shippo expy :jeanluc
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: daemon on November 26, 2019, 11:55:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx2jIjv5g-M

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/pAl7yssJQgM4E/source.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Occam on November 26, 2019, 04:15:57 PM
That was so cringeworthy I had to turn it off after 30 seconds.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 26, 2019, 04:17:29 PM
So, a typical Jimmy Fallon clip?

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on November 26, 2019, 04:20:52 PM
Herzog is the best Star Wars casting since the OT.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: daemon on November 26, 2019, 07:39:41 PM
Herzog is the best Star Wars casting since the OT.

That's a weird way to spell Ewan McGregor.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on November 26, 2019, 07:45:07 PM
I thought about calling him out. He deserves credit for carrying that prequel trilogy, but I can’t put him near the top since the movies and his character still fundamentally suck. It ain’t his fault, though. I hope he doesn’t hold it against me. He’s one of the best working today.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thisismyusername on November 26, 2019, 09:39:02 PM
Ewan and Liam both carried the prequels, tbh.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TVC15 on November 26, 2019, 09:55:19 PM
Liam’s a snoozer in em
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on November 26, 2019, 11:30:18 PM
Liam’s a snoozer in em

Yeah, you can tell Liam had The Worst Direction Ever going against him in Ep.1. Horrible.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on November 26, 2019, 11:45:48 PM
episode one still had the best lightsaber fight in the live action stuff
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on November 27, 2019, 02:27:02 AM
I've resolved my impasse with the helmet thing by inventing a head cannon where this specific mandelorian clan has a thing about keeping helmets on cause it's their thing and it doesnt have anything to do with mandalorians overall.

The shows established that they're a very fragmented people, doesn't seem improbable.

I keep getting a Death Watch vibe from them myself.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: daemon on November 27, 2019, 07:59:55 AM
If Phantom Menace was directed by JJ

(https://i.imgur.com/QD5Al86.png)


(https://i.imgflip.com/240npl.jpg?a436224)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on November 27, 2019, 08:04:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhMBTHkS9FE
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 27, 2019, 08:57:14 PM
The Mandalorian made me intrested in starwars again
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: kingv on November 28, 2019, 07:09:15 PM
I’m watching the first episode of Mandalorian and it’s... ok?

I really don’t like the way it is filmed, something about it looks off and cheap.

It has that sort of Syfy movie quality where it looks like people in costumes standing around in sets rather than looking like what it’s supposed to look like. It’s surprisingly cheap-looking coompared to something like Game of Thrones or even the watchmen show.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on November 28, 2019, 11:36:59 PM
that's what star war always looked like  :trumps
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Don Rumata on November 29, 2019, 01:50:45 PM
I hope these ROS spoilers are real

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Palpatine is Rey's grandpa
Force ghost Han
Palpatine faces Rey in a gladiator coliseum with a star war raging above them, then steals the energy from Rey/Kylo's force bond to replenish himself for a lightsaber battle :dead

The emperor being killed, the big death weapon being destroyed, a big galaxy wide celebration, ending with Rey making a lightsaber made out of Luke and Leia's and watching the twin suns on Tattoine :dead
[close]


:mike :lol :lol :lol :lol
I refuse to believe any of this.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on November 29, 2019, 01:56:37 PM
I don't care about the new Star Wars movie, I only care about baby Yoda.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 29, 2019, 01:56:37 PM
I want it to be true, but it doesn't sound like the kind of movie Abrams would make.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on November 29, 2019, 01:57:51 PM
https://twitter.com/axios/status/1200400652670787584
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on November 29, 2019, 11:18:54 PM
mandalorians lil babby yoder's first big adventure series! ep4, filler episode  ::)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tuckers Law on November 29, 2019, 11:22:42 PM
Bah wrong thread, stupid
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 29, 2019, 11:36:30 PM
Reminded me of a good stargate episode. 
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Post by: Tuckers Law on November 30, 2019, 12:18:03 AM
Reminded me of a good stargate episode.
Don’t you besmirch SG1, nu-Star Wars could only hope to be as good as that.
 :nothot

https://youtu.be/mt7y9IOfbyU
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on November 30, 2019, 01:35:44 AM
George: They fly now.
Jerry: They fly now?
Kramer: *zip hand motion* Oh, they’re flyin, Jerry

 :larry

:dead
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on November 30, 2019, 04:34:35 AM
Gina is so thick, squeeze me senpai :noah
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Don Rumata on November 30, 2019, 06:33:31 AM
Gina is so thick, squeeze me senpai :noah
Did you watch Haywire? She can't act for shit, but that fight with Fassbender...
(https://media.giphy.com/media/9WXyFIDv2PyBq/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Nintex on November 30, 2019, 12:20:31 PM
https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1200244662092484608 (https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1200244662092484608)

https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1200821792966938624 (https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1200821792966938624)

 :tocry
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Post by: agrajag on November 30, 2019, 12:25:22 PM
agree with filler ep4 was pure filler (lul), that barely advanced the plot at all.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Don Rumata on November 30, 2019, 01:12:25 PM
https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1200244662092484608 (https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1200244662092484608)

https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1200821792966938624 (https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1200821792966938624)

 :tocry
Quote
“Episode 9 will be the conclusion of a story over 40 years in the making.”
:lol
Until they do another trilogy, 2 years from now.
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Post by: Nintex on November 30, 2019, 01:56:17 PM
"From the story that concluded 40 years ago"

*drumroll*

"Already described as the greatest event in cinematic history"

*pew pew*

"Starring Ryan Reynolds as Baby Yoda and Margot Robbie as Darth Lady and the return of Ewan McGregor as the clone of Obi-Wan Kenobi"

*bbbzzzt*

"The next chapter in the never ending Star Wars saga"

"Star Wars: The Return of the Jedi Clones

In theaters December 2021"
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: kingv on November 30, 2019, 02:10:01 PM
its interesting that Star Wars is kind of the surest bet in the world, but Disney is still kind of boondoggling it.

Like the new movie will surely perform well, but at the same time they are kind of backing themselves into a corner where the only option seems to be to keep retelling the same story.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on November 30, 2019, 02:15:04 PM
babby jarjar  ;)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Pissy F Benny on November 30, 2019, 02:17:44 PM
babby jarjar  ;)
:rejoice  :rejoice :rejoice
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: kingv on November 30, 2019, 02:17:56 PM
 At least Lucas was willing to go out on a limb and say “you know what, fuck you guys, this movie is about Darth Vader as a kid, and he was annoying as shit” and “no you adult dorks, these movies are for fucking kids and as proof here’s a fish man that talks like he’s from the carribean. Eat shit”

Disney is like “let’s let just make it up as we go!” And then to save the last movie are like “fuck? We need to hit all the nostalgia buttons hard. “What’s Harrison Ford doing? Is he available to shoot some scenes?”

But like none of the new characters are really worth bringing back for the next trilogy
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Post by: agrajag on November 30, 2019, 02:25:06 PM
it's kind of fascinating how Disney treats the extended universe with even less respect than Lucas did.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on November 30, 2019, 02:27:50 PM
Gina is so thick, squeeze me senpai :noah
she actually fits the role, feel like she could really kick someone's ass. scarjo makes the dick hard, but it's always silly watching her fight anyone.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 01, 2019, 10:50:50 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdrEgEA36hk

Ugh Duel of the Fates gets to me every time.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Nintex on December 01, 2019, 10:57:04 AM
I think that if Lucas's second set of films was made between 2016 - 2020 the reception would've been very different simply based on the improvements in CG animation and such.
Many of the things he wanted to do simply didn't work on a technical level. So even if the plot would've still been dumb in places he could've had his big clone wars play out on the big screen.

Not to mention that maybe he wouldn't have kicked off the trend of stuffing as many CG enemies on screen as possible for big fight scenes.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: nachobro on December 01, 2019, 11:59:15 AM
I think that if Lucas's second set of films was made between 2016 - 2020 the reception would've been very different simply based on the improvements in CG animation and such.
Many of the things he wanted to do simply didn't work on a technical level. So even if the plot would've still been dumb in places he could've had his big clone wars play out on the big screen.

Not to mention that maybe he wouldn't have kicked off the trend of stuffing as many CG enemies on screen as possible for big fight scenes.
star wars with the avatar tech :rejoice suck it cameron
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thetylerrob on December 01, 2019, 12:04:26 PM
Jar jar with avatar tech  :kobeyuck
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Don Rumata on December 01, 2019, 12:47:04 PM
I think that if Lucas's second set of films was made between 2016 - 2020 the reception would've been very different simply based on the improvements in CG animation and such.
Many of the things he wanted to do simply didn't work on a technical level. So even if the plot would've still been dumb in places he could've had his big clone wars play out on the big screen.

Not to mention that maybe he wouldn't have kicked off the trend of stuffing as many CG enemies on screen as possible for big fight scenes.
The prequels were dogshit beyond the effects (which were mind blowing at the time).
But i'll give Lucas this: He tried something different with it.
The prequels don't just feel like a re-thread of the original trilogy, which i guess is what a lot of fans took issue with in the first place.
But then this new trilogy can get so fucking dull with the call backs.
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Post by: paprikastaude on December 01, 2019, 03:31:38 PM
 ::) casino planet is basically a prequel scene with modern tech and no one likes it, including ep8 defenders.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bluemax on December 01, 2019, 04:56:42 PM
https://www.out.com/celebs/2019/11/30/star-wars-billy-dee-williams-comes-out-gender-fluid
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on December 01, 2019, 05:06:03 PM
I guess the makers of Solo were onto something with their portrayal of Lando.
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Post by: TVC15 on December 01, 2019, 05:19:05 PM
His idea of gender fluid is "sometimes I'm soft and sweet, which is a feminine quality" :lol

I think this is how a lot of REE thinks too based on their broad definition of asexuality.
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Post by: Nintex on December 01, 2019, 05:24:06 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKnU1xTWsAEoomJ?format=jpg)
So uh, Disney edits out cigarettes from making of featurettes  :dizzy
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 01, 2019, 06:15:35 PM
Think they have to for some international distibutions. 
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: daemon on December 01, 2019, 06:15:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M-_PX5WFBc
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: kingv on December 01, 2019, 11:37:07 PM
His idea of gender fluid is "sometimes I'm soft and sweet, which is a feminine quality" :lol

Dee is a fucking bitch name tbh.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2019, 12:55:50 PM
The mandalorian is good so far. (Good not great.)

But I hope this whole show though after this season isn't the protect baby yoda show. I'm hoping this is just the plotline for season 1 and as the show continues its about other things.
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Post by: kingv on December 04, 2019, 01:04:48 PM
I found Mandalorian sort of disappointing.

It’s fine, but I feel like a few shows at that quality are not going to be enough to carry Disney+
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Post by: bluemax on December 05, 2019, 12:41:09 AM
On the subject of corny star war lines:

ROS SPOILERS

spoiler (click to show/hide)
“The father he murdered appears to him. His father, Han Solo forgives Ben for his actions and encourages him to be the man he really is.” At the end of this vision, Ben allegedly starts to say “I love you,” but Han cuts him off before he can finish, responding “I know.”
[close]
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on December 05, 2019, 12:43:00 AM
 :cac
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on December 05, 2019, 08:36:12 AM
baby yoda is life, baby yoda is love
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 05, 2019, 08:47:40 AM
F
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 05, 2019, 08:48:16 AM
https://twitter.com/JayBauman1/status/1202573268554801152
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 05, 2019, 08:54:15 AM
https://makingstarwars.net/2019/12/a-new-detail-has-emerged-from-the-final-duel-in-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker/

:larry That's about as good an arc for Ben as I could have wanted. It's kinda lol though that

spoiler (click to show/hide)
the last literal Skywalker is force pushed into a bottomless pit, lmao, bye bitch
[close]
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Post by: Tasty on December 05, 2019, 09:05:47 AM
https://makingstarwars.net/2019/12/exclusive-how-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-answers-the-final-mystery-of-snoke/

Quote
When you combine this Snoke information with the Ochi content, we see that Palpatine was behind all of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTbsluR-Jug

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTbsluR-Jug

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTbsluR-Jug
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Post by: agrajag on December 05, 2019, 09:21:14 AM
https://makingstarwars.net/2019/12/a-new-detail-has-emerged-from-the-final-duel-in-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker/

:larry That's about as good an arc for Ben as I could have wanted. It's kinda lol though that

spoiler (click to show/hide)
the last literal Skywalker is force pushed into a bottomless pit, lmao, bye bitch
[close]

he's a
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Solo
[close]
brah
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Post by: Tasty on December 05, 2019, 09:41:49 AM
I meant bloodline wise too.
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Post by: Don Rumata on December 05, 2019, 10:25:06 AM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
While the Emperor zaps his Sith lightning into the sky above Exegol, Ben heals Rey. Anakin, Luke, Yoda, Obi-Wan, Ahsoka, Ezra, and Leia
[close]
This would've been the best movie ever made.  :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: kingv on December 05, 2019, 10:58:13 AM
This movie makes the whole trilogy seem pointless. Like the first two movies were just headfakes.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on December 05, 2019, 01:40:54 PM
https://makingstarwars.net/2019/12/a-new-detail-has-emerged-from-the-final-duel-in-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker/

:larry That's about as good an arc for Ben as I could have wanted. It's kinda lol though that

spoiler (click to show/hide)
the last literal Skywalker is force pushed into a bottomless pit, lmao, bye bitch
[close]
NO FUCK YOU MOVIE.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Did this fucking movie just kill Ezra offscreen? Fuuuuuuuuuck ooooofffff
[close]
VadeR:"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!"
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 05, 2019, 02:18:12 PM
Ezra is like Luke's age, he could feasibly have died from old age. Or he gets some kind of badass hero exit in a future piece of media.

Or since it's just his voice, he's not dead at all.

Everyone dies anyways, even most fictional characters, soooo... :confused
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 05, 2019, 08:27:40 PM
I think that if Lucas's second set of films was made between 2016 - 2020 the reception would've been very different simply based on the improvements in CG animation and such.
Many of the things he wanted to do simply didn't work on a technical level. So even if the plot would've still been dumb in places he could've had his big clone wars play out on the big screen.

Not to mention that maybe he wouldn't have kicked off the trend of stuffing as many CG enemies on screen as possible for big fight scenes.
The prequels were dogshit beyond the effects (which were mind blowing at the time).
But i'll give Lucas this: He tried something different with it.
The prequels don't just feel like a re-thread of the original trilogy, which i guess is what a lot of fans took issue with in the first place.
But then this new trilogy can get so fucking dull with the call backs.

Fans took umbrage not so much with it not being enough like the original trilogy, but more at it being incoherent.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 05, 2019, 09:24:03 PM
the Death Star IV is just a supermassive blackhole gun that swallows all of known space
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 05, 2019, 10:07:26 PM
No, it's a galaxy wide pit with no railing

That is kind of the Empire's architectural design tho.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on December 05, 2019, 11:44:44 PM
Ezra is like Luke's age, he could feasibly have died from old age. Or he gets some kind of badass hero exit in a future piece of media.

Or since it's just his voice, he's not dead at all.

Everyone dies anyways, even most fictional characters, soooo... :confused
This is the first time we're learning about him since Sabine took off to look for him, yeah everyone dies, but still fuck off with him showing up dead next time. Also fuck off killing Ashoka the White Mage like this too. No one's going to care that they are here telling Rey to persevere as they had fuck all to do with her. I was hoping Sabine and Ezra show up in a show like Mandalorian somewhere down the line as Ezra would be the only person available to train baby yoda and Sabine is the defacto Mandalorian leader. That would spin off into a series where they show how Ezra and later Sabine fought Thrawn wherever the fuck they went.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 05, 2019, 11:58:41 PM
I'd say they'd never do that because it would mean kneecaping your show's appeal by shoveling in four seasons of backstory from a separate series (in a different medium, animation), but then again Disney's basically doing a similar thing by having them in Rise of Skywalker at all. So who knows?

:idont
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 06, 2019, 12:01:31 AM
Also, again, he might not be dead. It's more profitable for Disney to keep him alive, or in his current status of "maybe alive," than to close off that door.

I believe most leaks have settled on Rey just receiving voices, no visions or Force Ghosts.

And the Force Ghost canon is out the window anyways with
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Han showing up mid-movie to pep-talk Ben.
[close]
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on December 06, 2019, 12:24:16 AM
I'm sure Ezra could be using force projection like in his series, but that grouping makes me think they are all deadiola
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on December 06, 2019, 12:29:25 AM
who da fack is lezra?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on December 06, 2019, 12:31:25 AM
who da fack is lezra?
:rage :trigger
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on December 06, 2019, 12:37:07 AM
broch ezra es a pretty cool guy
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 06, 2019, 12:48:07 AM
who da fack is lezra?
:rage :trigger

:dead
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on December 06, 2019, 01:06:40 AM
who da fack is lezra?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17cWICANUBg
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on December 06, 2019, 01:27:25 AM
why is mawl talking  :oreilly so awful  :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on December 06, 2019, 01:39:04 AM
why is mawl talking  :oreilly so awful  :lol
:rage :rage :trigger :rage :rage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM5knlNeqHI
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on December 06, 2019, 01:46:31 AM
 :nope
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on December 06, 2019, 02:03:14 AM
:nope
:steiner
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 06, 2019, 06:58:52 AM
Another banger Mandolorian episode, wish

spoiler (click to show/hide)
they didn't go to Tatooine though, kinda lame  :-\

Seeing those little droid leftovers from Ep1 was fun
[close]

Amy Sedaris outta nowhere
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tuckers Law on December 06, 2019, 10:31:53 AM
Star Wars is so obnoxious.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Don Rumata on December 06, 2019, 11:16:02 AM
Leaked Star Wars dialog:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Anakin -"The time has come for you to rise, Rey."

Yoda - "The force is one with you"

Obi Wan -"You are with us, Rey."

Luke -"Your fears are gone, you are a Jedi now."

Leia -"Rise, Rey, it is your destiny."

Ezra Bridger -"We are one with the force."

Ahsoka Tano -"The force is one with us."

Maz Kanata -"Your final steps are here."

Ben Solo -"Rey, I love you."Then Rey says "I know. " and kills Palpatine.  :lol :lol :lol
[close]
You missed the final lines:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Rey is about to strike Sidious.

Sidious: "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."

Rey hesitates.

From off screen, the blueish hand of a force ghost touches Rey's shoulder.

She turns around to see Senator Palpatine's warm smile.

Ghost Palpatine: "I love y--"
Rey: "I know."

Sidious: "Nnnnoooooooooooooooooooooouuu!"

POV of Sidious, as Rey strikes directly into the camera.
Roll Credits.
[close]
:'( It's like poetry.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on December 06, 2019, 11:19:33 AM
I can't tell what's real and what's parody anymore.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 06, 2019, 11:27:21 AM
I can't tell what's real and what's parody anymore.

It’s all true. All of it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 06, 2019, 12:04:56 PM
Another banger Mandolorian episode, wish

spoiler (click to show/hide)
they didn't go to Tatooine though, kinda lame  :-\

Seeing those little droid leftovers from Ep1 was fun
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Amy Sedaris outta nowhere

Amy Sedaris was awesome with the child. I wonder who else is on this show that we don't know about.

So at the end, was that Herzog or Esposito?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: kingv on December 06, 2019, 01:42:34 PM
Leaked Star Wars dialog:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Anakin -"The time has come for you to rise, Rey."

Yoda - "The force is one with you"

Obi Wan -"You are with us, Rey."

Luke -"Your fears are gone, you are a Jedi now."

Leia -"Rise, Rey, it is your destiny."

Ezra Bridger -"We are one with the force."

Ahsoka Tano -"The force is one with us."

Maz Kanata -"Your final steps are here."

Ben Solo -"Rey, I love you."Then Rey says "I know. " and kills Palpatine.  :lol :lol :lol
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Best part:

Obi is prequel Obi, and Han is also there, except it is the young dude from Solo.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: paprikastaude on December 06, 2019, 04:17:26 PM
Leaked Star Wars dialog:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Anakin -"The time has come for you to rise, Rey."

Yoda - "The force is one with you"

Obi Wan -"You are with us, Rey."

Luke -"Your fears are gone, you are a Jedi now."

Leia -"Rise, Rey, it is your destiny."

Ezra Bridger -"We are one with the force."

Ahsoka Tano -"The force is one with us."

Maz Kanata -"Your final steps are here."

Ben Solo -"Rey, I love you."Then Rey says "I know. " and kills Palpatine.  :lol :lol :lol
[close]

(https://media.tenor.com/images/c17b45c8abf589e6120d699c79debb9b/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Nintex on December 06, 2019, 06:49:28 PM
Perfect reliable mediocrity is JJ's shtick, train wreck is not his usual approach.

So either these leaks are fake or intentional to throw off the fans or ????  ???
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on December 07, 2019, 11:58:20 AM
Mandalorian was boring again. I guess this is how the shiw is gonna be, villain of the week style. Give me more Herzog.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on December 09, 2019, 04:35:13 PM
Had a friend that's a huge star wars geek say that the caped individual at the end of Ep. 5 is Boba Fett. Dude better be wrong. The only way it would be cool would be if the mandalorian kills Boba finally and for good.  It would be a massive misstep.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 09, 2019, 05:52:03 PM
I decided I wanted to watch some real Star Wars [as in the movie released in 1977] so I grabbed the despecialized version off the internet show and put it on. Man, it still holds up. It does so much right and so little wrong. Even some of the really jank special effects shots aren't really all that bad, usually there and gone in a second or two. I'd yeet the whole special edition in the trash for good to get a high quality release of the original versions.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 10, 2019, 12:17:04 AM
I always turn it off before that final award ceremony. It feels so cheesy and corny. I know that huge swell of John Williams in your face is supposed to move you but when you strip that away it seems so out of place.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: daemon on December 10, 2019, 12:25:47 AM
I always turn it off before that final award ceremony. It feels so cheesy and corny. I know that huge swell of John Williams in your face is supposed to move you but when you strip that away it seems so out of place.

I hope you don't mean victory celebration of ep6 (probably you mean Ep4)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlCFPo6YYbU

This is easily the best change in the OT.

... if they kept sebastian shaw.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on December 10, 2019, 12:31:25 AM
yub nub  :lawd
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: MMaRsu on December 10, 2019, 04:43:55 AM
https://youtu.be/kURrNoaXFX4
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Occam on December 10, 2019, 06:10:24 AM
Yeah, this is awful beyond words.
I am eternally grateful to the guys who preserved the original movies in 4k quality so I never have to watch the garbage editions again. Project 4k80 (restoration of Empire Strikes Back) is currently underway, Star Wars and Return of the Jedi have already been released (and they look beautiful). I just hope that eventually they'll create an HDR version, too (which they said was possible).

By the way, I have not reserved a ticked for The Rise of Skywalker. No desire to see it at this time.
It's probably going to be the second Star Wars movie I won't watch in a cinema (after Solo, which actually turned out to be good).
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 10, 2019, 07:18:22 AM
I always turn it off before that final award ceremony. It feels so cheesy and corny. I know that huge swell of John Williams in your face is supposed to move you but when you strip that away it seems so out of place.

I hope you don’t ..

Nope, I meant what I said. The award ceremony in the original movie. If you look at it objectively, it feels tacked on and lacks any kind of grand sense of scale or accomplishment for what just occurred.

It’s like if they ended Saving Private Ryan in a VFW hall and handed them some cheap trinkets.

But now that you bring up ROtJ ending, maybe Lucas was just horrible at endings.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on December 10, 2019, 07:29:50 AM
mental that basically every detail from the leaks has been confirmed in some way or another at this point. even the
spoiler (click to show/hide)
palpatine force draining reylo's life force
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shite.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tuckers Law on December 10, 2019, 07:43:20 PM
Yeah, this is awful beyond words.
I am eternally grateful to the guys who preserved the original movies in 4k quality so I never have to watch the garbage editions again. Project 4k80 (restoration of Empire Strikes Back) is currently underway, Star Wars and Return of the Jedi have already been released (and they look beautiful). I just hope that eventually they'll create an HDR version, too (which they said was possible).

By the way, I have not reserved a ticked for The Rise of Skywalker. No desire to see it at this time.
It's probably going to be the second Star Wars movie I won't watch in a cinema (after Solo, which actually turned out to be good).
Solo was such a weird experience in the theater.  I remember thinking while watching it that, “I feel like I’m enjoying this much more than any of the other nu-Star Wars,” but it’s the first one where I also felt seeing it on the big screen did not enhance any of the high points in action.
I feel like anyone actually excited about this new Star War is going to find themselves with their own LOST ending, and I cannot wait to reap the rewards of their bitter tears.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 10, 2019, 11:20:32 PM
Why is there a ROTJ 4K demaster before Empire

Was there really anything egregious in Empire? Most of the changes were fairly benign [or even a net positive], unless I've forgotten something, unlike some of the really noticeable changes in New Hope and Jedi.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 10, 2019, 11:27:50 PM
The ROTJ print they got was in almost literally perfect condition (I assume it came from the Victorville Film Archive), they are splicing together multiple ESB prints and all of them need color restoration work.

I guess even Lucas' personal copy isn't pristine when he showed it not too long ago.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 10, 2019, 11:31:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVzc20Bm8Xo

Everyone was laughing back then but Palpy's back and everyone's wondering how he survived the Death Star II and got better...

The answer is obvious: The Emperor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center. :duh
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: VomKriege on December 11, 2019, 03:13:44 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVzc20Bm8Xo

Everyone was laughing back then but Palpy's back and everyone's wondering how he survived the Death Star II and got better...

The answer is obvious: The Emperor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center. :duh

Also known as the EmPal SuReC IIRC (it's named like that in the video before they say the full name).

Edit : per Wookiepedia

Quote
The Chancellor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center, sometimes shortened to ChanPal SuRecon Center, crowned one of the tallest buildings on Coruscant. During the Clone Wars, it was also known as the Grand Republic Medical Facility or simply as the Grand Medical Facility. It later became known as the Emperor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center, being commonly referred to as the EmPal SuRecon Center. It was an imposing spire that dominated its particular stretch of the Galactic City—later Imperial City—skyline.

:hhh
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Coffee Dog on December 11, 2019, 06:11:06 AM
Why is there a ROTJ 4K demaster before Empire

Was there really anything egregious in Empire? Most of the changes were fairly benign [or even a net positive], unless I've forgotten something, unlike some of the really noticeable changes in New Hope and Jedi.

This is it, for some odd reason Lucas never really fucked with Empire. There were some touched up effects shots, and continuity changes but that's it (Boba Fett and Sheev replaced with prequel actors)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Occam on December 11, 2019, 07:25:34 AM
Why is there a ROTJ 4K demaster before Empire

Was there really anything egregious in Empire? Most of the changes were fairly benign [or even a net positive], unless I've forgotten something, unlike some of the really noticeable changes in New Hope and Jedi.

This is it, for some odd reason Lucas never really fucked with Empire. There were some touched up effects shots, and continuity changes but that's it (Boba Fett and Sheev replaced with prequel actors)

The remade scene with Palpatine is terrible. "Search your feelings, you know it to be true". Really, you had to make him say that line? "It's like poetry, it rhymes".
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 11, 2019, 09:39:16 PM
https://twitter.com/ScottWamplerBMD/status/1204521460276113409
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 11, 2019, 09:55:13 PM
https://twitter.com/ScottWamplerBMD/status/1204521460276113409

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp-Ys_iFwnM
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 11, 2019, 10:00:03 PM
still in my "Random" music folder:
(https://i.imgur.com/xo6HCeg.png)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 11, 2019, 11:04:12 PM
SMH
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 12, 2019, 10:48:06 AM
🎵WE GOT DEATH STAR🎵
🎵WE GOT DEATH STAR🎵
🎵WE GOT DEATH STAR🎵
🎵WE GOT DEATH STAR🎵
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 12, 2019, 09:56:19 PM
Quote from: https://www.polygon.com/2019/12/10/21005059/george-lucas-star-wars-sequel-trilogy-plot-characters
Everything George Lucas has said about his theoretical Star Wars sequel trilogy

...

THE PARTS OF LUCAS’ EPISODE 7 THAT DIDN’T MAKE THE CUT
One small detail we know about the story of the later Lucas trilogy is that it would have focused on diving into the “microbiotic world,” where viewers would learn more about the Force and the way it works. Lucas planned to dig deeper into the science of midi-chlorians, the biological explanation for the Force that was first mentioned (and contended with by fans) in The Phantom Menace.

For James Cameron’s 2018 Story of Science Fiction book, Lucas explained that his trilogy would have focused on “the Whills,” an ancient life form that fed on the Force. According to Lucas, the Whills essentially “are the Force.” The midi-chlorians within Force-sensitive beings communicate directly with the Whills, allowing the super-powerful beings to control the galaxy.

“Back in the day, I used to say ultimately what this means is we’re just cars, vehicles, for the Whills to travel around in […] We’re vessels for them,” Lucas said.

 :brain :lucas :brain
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 12, 2019, 11:18:31 PM
Quote from: https://www.polygon.com/2019/12/10/21005059/george-lucas-star-wars-sequel-trilogy-plot-characters
Everything George Lucas has said about his theoretical Star Wars sequel trilogy

...

THE PARTS OF LUCAS’ EPISODE 7 THAT DIDN’T MAKE THE CUT
One small detail we know about the story of the later Lucas trilogy is that it would have focused on diving into the “microbiotic world,” where viewers would learn more about the Force and the way it works. Lucas planned to dig deeper into the science of midi-chlorians, the biological explanation for the Force that was first mentioned (and contended with by fans) in The Phantom Menace.

For James Cameron’s 2018 Story of Science Fiction book, Lucas explained that his trilogy would have focused on “the Whills,” an ancient life form that fed on the Force. According to Lucas, the Whills essentially “are the Force.” The midi-chlorians within Force-sensitive beings communicate directly with the Whills, allowing the super-powerful beings to control the galaxy.

“Back in the day, I used to say ultimately what this means is we’re just cars, vehicles, for the Whills to travel around in […] We’re vessels for them,” Lucas said.

 :brain :lucas :brain


aT lEast gEOrGe LUcaS tRiEd tO do sOMethIng diFferENt
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: chronovore on December 13, 2019, 03:56:04 AM
Quote from: https://www.polygon.com/2019/12/10/21005059/george-lucas-star-wars-sequel-trilogy-plot-characters
Everything George Lucas has said about his theoretical Star Wars sequel trilogy

...

THE PARTS OF LUCAS’ EPISODE 7 THAT DIDN’T MAKE THE CUT
One small detail we know about the story of the later Lucas trilogy is that it would have focused on diving into the “microbiotic world,” where viewers would learn more about the Force and the way it works. Lucas planned to dig deeper into the science of midi-chlorians, the biological explanation for the Force that was first mentioned (and contended with by fans) in The Phantom Menace.

For James Cameron’s 2018 Story of Science Fiction book, Lucas explained that his trilogy would have focused on “the Whills,” an ancient life form that fed on the Force. According to Lucas, the Whills essentially “are the Force.” The midi-chlorians within Force-sensitive beings communicate directly with the Whills, allowing the super-powerful beings to control the galaxy.

“Back in the day, I used to say ultimately what this means is we’re just cars, vehicles, for the Whills to travel around in […] We’re vessels for them,” Lucas said.

 :brain :lucas :brain


aT lEast gEOrGe LUcaS tRiEd tO do sOMethIng diFferENt
:trash
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 13, 2019, 05:47:24 AM
Why is there a ROTJ 4K demaster before Empire

Was there really anything egregious in Empire? Most of the changes were fairly benign [or even a net positive], unless I've forgotten something, unlike some of the really noticeable changes in New Hope and Jedi.
I dislike the new Emperor scene. I know it makes sense continuity wise. But the change looks well lame and doesn’t fit. I hate the way the Emperor looks in the prequels, very corny. It also looks like you stuck a 2005 movie scene into an 80s film. The color coding, texture, and so on look off.

Also the editing in  of Vader returning to his ship is pointless and damages the pacing of the movie. It’s jarring. You’ve got all this momentum in the action and music of the Cloud City escape scenes. That’s interrupted because I guess Lucas felt we couldn’t assume Vader took a craft back to the Star Destoryer.   
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Don Rumata on December 13, 2019, 11:42:46 AM
Quote from: https://www.polygon.com/2019/12/10/21005059/george-lucas-star-wars-sequel-trilogy-plot-characters
Everything George Lucas has said about his theoretical Star Wars sequel trilogy

...

THE PARTS OF LUCAS’ EPISODE 7 THAT DIDN’T MAKE THE CUT
One small detail we know about the story of the later Lucas trilogy is that it would have focused on diving into the “microbiotic world,” where viewers would learn more about the Force and the way it works. Lucas planned to dig deeper into the science of midi-chlorians, the biological explanation for the Force that was first mentioned (and contended with by fans) in The Phantom Menace.

For James Cameron’s 2018 Story of Science Fiction book, Lucas explained that his trilogy would have focused on “the Whills,” an ancient life form that fed on the Force. According to Lucas, the Whills essentially “are the Force.” The midi-chlorians within Force-sensitive beings communicate directly with the Whills, allowing the super-powerful beings to control the galaxy.

“Back in the day, I used to say ultimately what this means is we’re just cars, vehicles, for the Whills to travel around in […] We’re vessels for them,” Lucas said.

 :brain :lucas :brain


aT lEast gEOrGe LUcaS tRiEd tO do sOMethIng diFferENt
It's true.
It's also true that the "different" was garbage.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Nintex on December 13, 2019, 04:00:26 PM
George Lucas made a film about a trade dispute in a political union causing ever more radical separatists to take control.
We all laughed at him for the ridiculous premise of anyone ever leaving a trade bloc.

 :huh
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Nintex on December 13, 2019, 05:23:13 PM
Jeremy Cor-Byn: "Not to mention the fat gangster HUTT of the United States of Tatooine will make a deal to have his dirty Chlorinated Chicken enter our supply chain as soon as we leave the Republic. I say no that sir!"

Boris Johnson: "The only Chlorinated Chicken in this country is the Jedi Master sitting there right across from me!"

Jar Jar Rees-Mogg: "HEARSA HEARSA!!"

John Bercow: "THE FIRST ORRDEERRR!!! THE FIRST OORDDEERRR!!!"

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 13, 2019, 07:44:38 PM
liked that episode.  Suprised Patrick Rothfuss was in it. 
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 13, 2019, 10:49:16 PM
Trying to not choke on my water from laughter reading all this
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on December 13, 2019, 11:47:29 PM
Bob Iger: How're you doing? What do you say I buy you a cup of coffee?
Martin Scorsese: Yeah, sure. Let's go.
BI: Follow me.

BI: Fourteen years in Disney. In Capital Cities for two. ABC before that. ABC as tough as they say?
MS: You looking to become a corporatologist?
BI: You looking to go back? I chased down some crews. Guys just looking to fuck up, get busted back. That you?
MS: You must've worked some dipshit crews.
BI: I worked all kinds.
MS: You see me building cinematic universes with a "Born to Lose" tattoo on my chest?
BI: I do not.
MS: Right. I am never doing that.
BI: Then don't talk about superhero movies.
MS: I do what I do best: I talk about movies. You do what you do best: Try to stop guys like me.
BI: So you never wanted a regular-type life?
MS: What the fuck is that? Barbecues and ball games?
BI: Yeah.
MS: This regular-type life like your life?
BI: My life? No, my life...My life's a disaster zone. I got a Star Wars franchise so fucked up...because its real creator is this large-type asshole. I got a wife. We're passing each other on the down slope of a marriage. My third. Because I spend all my time chasing guys like you around the block. That's my life.

MS: A guy told me one time: "Don't get yourself attached to anything you can't walk out on in 30 seconds...if you feel the heat around the corner." If you're on me and you got to move when I move, how do you expect to keep a space opera successful?
BI: That's an interesting point. What are you ? A monk?
MS: I have a woman.
BI: What do you tell her?
MS: I tell her I like 2001: A Space Odyssey.
BI: So, if you spot me coming around that corner...you'll just walk out on this woman ? Not admit you enjoy populist cinema?
MS: That's the discipline.
BI: That's pretty vacant.
MS: It is what it is. It's that, or we both better go do something else.
BI: I don't know how to do anything else.
MS: Neither do I.
BI: I don't want much to either.
MS: Neither do I.

BI: You know, I have this recurring dream. I'm sitting at Comic-Con, and all the victims of all the knee-jerk reactionary firings Disney have committed are there...and they're staring at me, wearing these Guardians of the Galaxy T-Shirts. And there they are, these unshaven people, because I found them two weeks after they'd locked themselves in their mothers basements. The neighbors reported the smell and there they are all just sitting there.
MS: What do they say?
BI: Nothing.
MS: No talk?
BI: They have nothing to say. We just look at each other. They look at me and that's it. That's the dream.
MS: I have one where I'm drowning. I gotta wake myself up and start breathing or I'll die in my sleep.
BI: Know what that's about?
MS: Yeah. Having enough time.
BI: Enough time to do what you want to do?
MS: That's right.
BI: You doing it now?
MS: No, not yet.

BI: You know, we're sitting here you and I like a couple of regular fellas. You do what you do, and I do what I gotta do. Now that we've been face to face, if I'm there and I gotta show you Black Panther, I won't like it. But, I tell you, if it's between you and some poor bastard whose happiness rests on whether a stranger enjoys the same movie as him.......brother...you are going down.
MS: There's a flip side to that coin. What if you do got me boxed in and I gotta get Denis Villeneuve to criticise the MCU? Because no matter what...you won't get in my way. We've been face to face, yeah. But I will not hesitate. Not for a second.
BI: Maybe that's what will be. Or...who knows?
MS: Maybe we'll never see each other again.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 14, 2019, 01:53:57 AM
6 episodes in and I can sort of see and understand what The Mandalorian is and isn't. It's a good show. Not a great show. It's a safe show. The first few episodes kind of tricked me as I thought it may end up being darker than I expected which would be a good thing but it really isn't that. It's very traditional when it comes to TV. It's honestly not that far removed from something like Bonanza or the myriad of TV westerns that existed in the past. It tries to give a darker and more sinister under-pinning to things, but that aspect is mostly there to sort of make it seem like a more post modern show where critically praised TV nowadays is obligated to be morally ambiguous and gritty.

These kind of sounds like disses but I really don't mean it that way. This is a solid show for Star Wars fans. If you are not a star wars fan, I'm not sure this show has a lot to offer to a person to make it must watch, but its nice comfort food for a star wars fan and that's not a bad thing. This baby yoda thing seems like it will stretch on for quite awhile (seasons if not the entire run of the show) which isn't my ideal plotline but it is what it is. With a few tweaks and creative choices it could have been pretty great but I think we'll have to settle for good since I have a feeling Disney isn't gonna take the creative risks to push it there. And once again nothing wrong with good. I settle in and watch an episode every week and mostly find myself enjoying each of them.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: daemon on December 14, 2019, 03:01:49 AM
6 episodes in and I can sort of see and understand what The Mandalorian is and isn't. It's a good show. Not a great show. It's a safe show. The first few episodes kind of tricked me as I thought it may end up being darker than I expected which would be a good thing but it really isn't that. It's very traditional when it comes to TV. It's honestly not that far removed from something like Bonanza or the myriad of TV westerns that existed in the past. It tries to give a darker and more sinister under-pinning to things, but that aspect is mostly there to sort of make it seem like a more post modern show where critically praised TV nowadays is obligated to be morally ambiguous and gritty.

These kind of sounds like disses but I really don't mean it that way. This is a solid show for Star Wars fans. If you are not a star wars fan, I'm not sure this show has a lot to offer to a person to make it must watch, but its nice comfort food for a star wars fan and that's not a bad thing. This baby yoda thing seems like it will stretch on for quite awhile (seasons if not the entire run of the show) which isn't my ideal plotline but it is what it is. With a few tweaks and creative choices it could have been pretty great but I think we'll have to settle for good since I have a feeling Disney isn't gonna take the creative risks to push it there. And once again nothing wrong with good. I settle in and watch an episode every week and mostly find myself enjoying each of them.

Reminder that this is Disney Star Wars. We haven't even had a single dismemberment in two star wars numbered movies. Hell, not even in the spin-offs if I recall well.

I might end up eating crow with baby Yoda dying on the finale but yeah xD
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Nintex on December 14, 2019, 08:37:24 AM
https://twitter.com/ObsessedWars/status/1205206184371900416 (https://twitter.com/ObsessedWars/status/1205206184371900416)

 :thinking
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 14, 2019, 10:45:16 AM
                                                                           KYLO MAH BOI
                                                                          /
                                                                         /
(https://i.imgur.com/tevJYDO.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 14, 2019, 06:52:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC1jowA4shU

"Hi leakers! 👋🏻"
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on December 15, 2019, 02:09:55 AM
https://twitter.com/FARTRON/status/1205853764512600065
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 15, 2019, 02:21:47 AM
TPM is on TNT and I'm so confused. The plot still doesn't make sense to me.

But I'm also confused at how often the CGI characters look clean and everything else looks like rear projection and 80s optical effects with dirty plates. Sometimes the droids look practical, other times they look more realistic in The Clone Wars. Wasn't this all digital? Night scenes look especially bad and blurry.
TPM was like half and half. There are scenes with outlines around actors. IIRC, Lucas later said that he started it too early (in terms of that, not like story or anything) and technology didn't quite reach the point they expected. Also theaters weren't as up to date as expected they learned from the Special Editions. AOTC isn't all digital either, but it's close to nearly so. There was something like they weren't sure how objects at a certain distance from the camera or something would show up because I guess that was a big TPM problem. In the deleted scenes/etc. you can see like there will randomly be a built/painted/etc. pillar or something in the middle of a green room. Or Anakin and Obi-Wan will be sitting on a green box and there's like a random panel prop attached to it. I think they digitally drew over most of them though.

The classic example is how Yoda's still a puppet in the original cuts of TPM, they couldn't model him well enough. By ATOC they could.

You can see some similar stuff with that first CGI Jabba in the Special Editions versus when they redid it again. It often looks worse than the puppet and in the new scenes moves without complete animation frames.

edit: looking at the various wikis it seems that the CHARACTERS were indeed all CGI'd, but lots of other stuff was scanned models/miniature sets/etc. then digitally inserted into scenes, the droids were all built as models then scanned but some were then animated entirely digitally (I bet the droid soldiers were this) while others (R2) were not... so good eye I guess

however some aliens are not CGI as masks were cheaper to make, and the CGI was just touching things up or moving them around in crowd scenes
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BIONIC on December 15, 2019, 05:38:51 AM
https://youtu.be/-vL4I0CNGUs
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 15, 2019, 09:39:56 AM
If the prequels had been made in the 90s with non-Lucas directors they would have been fucking amazing. Imagine T2- and Jurassic Park-level mixed-practical-and-CG effects. :lawd
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Nintex on December 15, 2019, 10:36:08 AM
https://youtu.be/-vL4I0CNGUs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHmdGZp8LuY

 :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on December 15, 2019, 12:44:26 PM
the puppet Yoda in TPM ruined my childhood
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Ghoul on December 15, 2019, 06:41:11 PM
Using fortnite players for marketing the film instead of showing the film.

This film is gonna be so bad I cannot wait!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on December 15, 2019, 07:51:44 PM
After the murderer's row of D list celebrities nerds will recognize in this week's episode I genuinely have to hand it to Disney for how cynical they've been with Star Wars: Escort Mission.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: agrajag on December 15, 2019, 08:30:50 PM
not gonna lie, it's taking a lot to even muster the energy to watch the latest episode
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: paprikastaude on December 15, 2019, 08:52:04 PM
If I didn't hear a friend talking about it recently, I would've completely forgotten that ep 9 is coming out in like 2 days?  :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on December 15, 2019, 08:58:54 PM
 :pacspit ziomanji!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Nintex on December 16, 2019, 05:27:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-dfCIjYs0s

 8)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Nintex on December 16, 2019, 06:48:37 PM
https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/1206687670396583936 (https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/1206687670396583936)

Disney to Mark
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bluemax on December 17, 2019, 02:00:35 AM
The narrative begins:

https://twitter.com/Terri_Schwartz/status/1206827519929798656
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 17, 2019, 02:56:53 AM
last Jedi is totally gonna be this trilogy’s empire
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on December 17, 2019, 04:01:48 AM
last Jedi is totally gonna be this trilogy’s empire
(https://i.imgur.com/CuV8LqS.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on December 17, 2019, 06:52:03 AM
you don't really need twitter responses when the whole thing was leaked months ago.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: paprikastaude on December 17, 2019, 08:25:15 AM
https://twitter.com/kylebuchanan/status/1206821039235194880

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Boogie on December 17, 2019, 08:31:54 AM
6 episodes in and I can sort of see and understand what The Mandalorian is and isn't. It's a good show. Not a great show. It's a safe show. The first few episodes kind of tricked me as I thought it may end up being darker than I expected which would be a good thing but it really isn't that. It's very traditional when it comes to TV. It's honestly not that far removed from something like Bonanza or the myriad of TV westerns that existed in the past. It tries to give a darker and more sinister under-pinning to things, but that aspect is mostly there to sort of make it seem like a more post modern show where critically praised TV nowadays is obligated to be morally ambiguous and gritty.

These kind of sounds like disses but I really don't mean it that way. This is a solid show for Star Wars fans. If you are not a star wars fan, I'm not sure this show has a lot to offer to a person to make it must watch, but its nice comfort food for a star wars fan and that's not a bad thing. This baby yoda thing seems like it will stretch on for quite awhile (seasons if not the entire run of the show) which isn't my ideal plotline but it is what it is. With a few tweaks and creative choices it could have been pretty great but I think we'll have to settle for good since I have a feeling Disney isn't gonna take the creative risks to push it there. And once again nothing wrong with good. I settle in and watch an episode every week and mostly find myself enjoying each of them.

Yes, this is my take as well.  I'm enjoying it, though it could be better. 

I think most episodes would have been helped by a slightly longer runtime.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 17, 2019, 08:48:29 AM
last Jedi is totally gonna be this trilogy’s empire

Someone on the cast will fake a hate crime for sympathy?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 17, 2019, 09:58:11 AM
last Jedi is totally gonna be this trilogy’s empire

Maybe 30% of TLJ.

The rest of it is prequel-tier.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 17, 2019, 10:04:35 AM
:drudge

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The dead speak! The galaxy has heard a mysterious broadcast,
a threat of REVENGE in the sinister voice of the late EMPEROR PALPATINE.


GENERAL LEIA ORGANA dispatches secret agents to gather intelligence,
while REY, the last hope of the Jedi, trains for battle against the diabolical FIRST ORDER.


Meanwhile, Supreme Leader KYLO REN rages in search of the phantom Emperor,
determined to destroy any threat to his power…
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Don Rumata on December 17, 2019, 10:50:18 AM
Just read the whole plot through bulletpoints on 4chan, confirmed by the above shots.

Let me just say, there aren't enough:  :lol on the web.

BRA-VO.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 17, 2019, 11:02:48 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/TKZkJP5.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on December 17, 2019, 11:06:30 AM
I'm so hyped to see this trainwreck. :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Coffee Dog on December 17, 2019, 11:20:05 AM
why are they redeeming kylo jesus fucking christ

all they had to do was let kylo stay an asshole and give him some kind of goal for the third film and had him die like the shithead he is. but i guess literally every person is cool deep down except for palpatine. let's redeem ginger first order shouting man next
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 17, 2019, 11:28:00 AM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Kylo turns good at the end of act one
Rey dies in the beginning of the second act
Kylo brings Rey back to life
As Rey wakes up Kylo kisses her
Kylo says he sensed Rey wanted to be with him,, Rey responds she wanted to be with Ben
Kylo gets pep talk with force ghost Han Solo
Han Solo has an emotional moment with Kylo where they say they love each other
Kylo goes out to kill Palpatine towards the end of act 2
Palpatine force lightnings Kylo down a hole
Rey meets Palpatine, not much happens, Palpatine tries using force lightning and she simply deflects it back at him
Palpatine dies, according to everyone speaking on it, very suddenly
Rey goes to Tatooine, on the way there Finn tries to confess his love for her, but he holds back
Apparently Rey says something about having more feelings for Finn than Poe or Kylo
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lmao what is this horseshit CW garbaggio

Which of these scenes does "I Don't Want to Miss a Thing" play over?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on December 17, 2019, 11:29:21 AM
let's redeem ginger first order shouting man next

Yeah, how outrageous would *that* be. :teehee :teehee
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: MMaRsu on December 17, 2019, 11:31:40 AM
Pretty glad I didnt watch the second movie now  :lol not invested at all
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Don Rumata on December 17, 2019, 11:35:26 AM
why are they redeeming kylo jesus fucking christ

all they had to do was let kylo stay an asshole and give him some kind of goal for the third film and had him die like the shithead he is. but i guess literally every person is cool deep down except for palpatine. let's redeem ginger first order shouting man next
::)
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(from what i've read, he frees Poe and Finn from prison, to stick it to Kylo, before getting killed).
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Don Rumata on December 17, 2019, 11:36:50 AM
BTW the next trilogy coming in 2 years, will be Sheev's redemption arc.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 17, 2019, 11:40:30 AM
Not only do those spoilers not sound consistent from movie to movie, they aren't even consistent within just the spoilers themselves.

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Rey kisses and says she wants to be with Ben, but later she has more feelings for Finn than any Ben or Poe?
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:what

Yes let's friendzone the major black character to make sure he's even more pathetic  :lol

I was thinking the opposite, the TFA racists are going to have a field day with Rey "choosing" Finn. :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2019, 11:40:41 AM
last Jedi is totally gonna be this trilogy’s empire

You know what I remember about Empire? When they lost and they partied and had mimomas.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 17, 2019, 11:40:53 AM
I loved TLJ, and this sounds fucking hysterical.  Not reading any of the spoilers but I can only imagine

I'm sure I'll like it, but I'm deeeeefinitely gonna avoid all internet discussions about it
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 17, 2019, 11:42:10 AM
Oh man I'm really looking forward to BN's thoughts. Either way. :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2019, 11:44:57 AM
They managed to make me hyped to see Rise of the Skywalker after the mess that was TLJ but only by making its sequel an even bigger, more hilarious mess. :lol Will definitely rent from Redbox or stream on Netflix while stoned. :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Coffee Dog on December 17, 2019, 11:44:57 AM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Kylo turns good at the end of act one
Rey dies in the beginning of the second act
Kylo brings Rey back to life
As Rey wakes up Kylo kisses her
Kylo says he sensed Rey wanted to be with him,, Rey responds she wanted to be with Ben
Kylo gets pep talk with force ghost Han Solo
Han Solo has an emotional moment with Kylo where they say they love each other
Kylo goes out to kill Palpatine towards the end of act 2
Palpatine force lightnings Kylo down a hole
Rey meets Palpatine, not much happens, Palpatine tries using force lightning and she simply deflects it back at him
Palpatine dies, according to everyone speaking on it, very suddenly
Rey goes to Tatooine, on the way there Finn tries to confess his love for her, but he holds back
Apparently Rey says something about having more feelings for Finn than Poe or Kylo
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lmao what is this horseshit CW garbaggio

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So he both kisses her back to life and falls down in a hole never t be seen again?
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I'mma keep it real with y'all. I thought TLJ was kinda wack but in never subverted expectations nor was it wack because of it. But this sounds both like it subverts expectations and fucking sucks :lol

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That happens several scenes later.

Kylo apparently doesn't talk much in this movie ""cinematic"", he kills the Knights of Ren while going to Palpatine effortlessly. He talks to the emperor very briefly where we see that Snoke is being mass-produced cloned as the new Emperor. The emperor than uses force lightning to blast him quickly down a hole where he dies.
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wait what

why wasn't
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snoke performed by ian macdermid then
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that's just not a conclusion any reasonable viewer would come to
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2019, 11:47:17 AM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Kylo turns good at the end of act one
Rey dies in the beginning of the second act
Kylo brings Rey back to life
As Rey wakes up Kylo kisses her
Kylo says he sensed Rey wanted to be with him,, Rey responds she wanted to be with Ben
Kylo gets pep talk with force ghost Han Solo
Han Solo has an emotional moment with Kylo where they say they love each other
Kylo goes out to kill Palpatine towards the end of act 2
Palpatine force lightnings Kylo down a hole
Rey meets Palpatine, not much happens, Palpatine tries using force lightning and she simply deflects it back at him
Palpatine dies, according to everyone speaking on it, very suddenly
Rey goes to Tatooine, on the way there Finn tries to confess his love for her, but he holds back
Apparently Rey says something about having more feelings for Finn than Poe or Kylo
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lmao what is this horseshit CW garbaggio

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They took the strong, independent female lead and made her a dick magnet in the story :lol
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 17, 2019, 11:51:41 AM
that's just not a conclusion any reasonable viewer would come to

Because the idea of who Snoke was in The Force Awakens, and the idea of who Snoke was in The Last Jedi, are different from what they actually ended up doing.

JJ set up the mystery box only for Johnson to punt it, forcing the sloppy last-minute inclusion of the Emperor*.

*There's a quote from some guy on the Sequel Trilogy who said Palps coming back in 9 was George's plan all along, but really, fuck off.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2019, 11:55:00 AM
I had to remember who ginger guy even was. :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on December 17, 2019, 11:56:12 AM
Let's put the LOST guy in charge of Star Wars. :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2019, 12:00:43 PM
Let's put the LOST guy in charge of Star Wars. :lol

:lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: NekoFever on December 17, 2019, 12:02:01 PM
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And the "ginger guy" that made the Hitler speech? Whose character was cartoonishly evil and impotent as an "own" to 'modern fascist youth'?

Dude was a Resistance spy the whole time  :pika
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Not the whole time. He just hates Kylo and wants to bring him down. So since the end of TLJ.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2019, 12:03:34 PM
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And the "ginger guy" that made the Hitler speech? Whose character was cartoonishly evil and impotent as an "own" to 'modern fascist youth'?

Dude was a Resistance spy the whole time  :pika
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Not the whole time. He just hates Kylo and wants to bring him down. So since the end of TLJ.
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Ah. So his space nazism that results in trillions literally dead is fine so long as he switches :lol
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 17, 2019, 12:03:53 PM
What happens to Leia?

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She dies of natural causes sometime in the movie. (Inaccurate, see 2133's post below.) Afterwards, Rey visits Ach-To and Luke's ghost says that since she *just* died, he can't feel her distinct "presence" in the Force (yet) -- hence no Leia Force Ghost, womp womp.

But apparently her voice speaks to Rey in the climax, alongside a bunch of other Jedi.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 17, 2019, 12:05:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np6vAuS0KNs
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 17, 2019, 12:14:29 PM
The Final Order :brain
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 17, 2019, 12:15:15 PM
Executing the Final Order :nope

Executing Order #66 :ohyeah
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 17, 2019, 12:17:53 PM
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There's no answer for this, but if Palps was behind everything, why is he desperately trying to re-brand all of Snoke's shit? :lol

And why did he re-brand it all when Snoke started up anyways? Seems to me that'd cost a lot of money/effort that'd be better spent elsewhere.

Also where the fuck did he get the cash for all this?

"Oh but cash doesn't matter in Star W-" Yeah except 50% of the last movie was an anti-capitalist side quest in pursuit of scarce resources.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Don Rumata on December 17, 2019, 12:22:07 PM
Can't wait for "Final Order 66 - second revision (FINAL)", in the next one.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on December 17, 2019, 12:34:52 PM
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There's no answer for this, but if Palps was behind everything, why is he desperately trying to re-brand all of Snoke's shit? :lol

And why did he re-brand it all when Snoke started up anyways? Seems to me that'd cost a lot of money/effort that'd be better spent elsewhere.

Also where the fuck did he get the cash for all this?

"Oh but cash doesn't matter in Star W-" Yeah except 50% of the last movie was an anti-capitalist side quest in pursuit of scarce resources.
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Don't know if Snoke was privy to the particulars of The Contingency, but all of the "I built this" is just things proceeding according to keikaku.

As for money, they do have immensely powerful weaponry and traveled to spaces unknown. One would assume some combination of piracy and slavery until they had sound fiscal policy.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on December 17, 2019, 12:35:28 PM
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There's no answer for this, but if Palps was behind everything, why is he desperately trying to re-brand all of Snoke's shit? :lol

And why did he re-brand it all when Snoke started up anyways? Seems to me that'd cost a lot of money/effort that'd be better spent elsewhere.

Also where the fuck did he get the cash for all this?

"Oh but cash doesn't matter in Star W-" Yeah except 50% of the last movie was an anti-capitalist side quest in pursuit of scarce resources.
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Don't know if Snoke was privy to the particulars of The Contingency, but all of the "I built this" is just things proceeding according to keikaku.

As for money, they do have immensely powerful weaponry and traveled to spaces unknown. One would assume some combination of piracy and slavery until they had sound fiscal policy.

shut up, nerd

e: "During this time, he had been investing in expensive resources used to seed the Unknown Regions with storehouses, shipyards, and laboratories, a fact known only to Emperor Palpatine and an elect assembled by Palpatine." -The Last Jedi novelization
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Nintex on December 17, 2019, 12:49:44 PM
The Sith are clearly bankrolled by Pu-tin of the Russkia system

 :putin
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 17, 2019, 01:19:50 PM
These spoils look awful   :heh :lawd
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 17, 2019, 01:23:09 PM
smh
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Don Rumata on December 17, 2019, 01:28:29 PM
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There's no answer for this, but if Palps was behind everything, why is he desperately trying to re-brand all of Snoke's shit? :lol

And why did he re-brand it all when Snoke started up anyways? Seems to me that'd cost a lot of money/effort that'd be better spent elsewhere.

Also where the fuck did he get the cash for all this?

"Oh but cash doesn't matter in Star W-" Yeah except 50% of the last movie was an anti-capitalist side quest in pursuit of scarce resources.
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Don't know if Snoke was privy to the particulars of The Contingency, but all of the "I built this" is just things proceeding according to keikaku.

As for money, they do have immensely powerful weaponry and traveled to spaces unknown. One would assume some combination of piracy and slavery until they had sound fiscal policy.

shut up, nerd

e: "During this time, he had been investing in expensive resources used to seed the Unknown Regions with storehouses, shipyards, and laboratories, a fact known only to Emperor Palpatine and an elect assembled by Palpatine." -The Last Jedi novelization
*He doesn't know about the budgetary constraints that forced Lord Vader to drink through a straw for the rest of his days.  ::)

https://youtu.be/FVzc20Bm8Xo
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on December 17, 2019, 02:13:13 PM
the new trilogy is like a treatise on how you can make star wars films that are nothing like the prequels but somehow just as bad and probably more damaging to the saga as a whole.

you never run out of new mistakes to make.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 17, 2019, 02:17:48 PM
Make these films non canon and let Lucas make the real sequels  :rejoice  :rejoice :rejoice
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Uncle on December 17, 2019, 03:28:40 PM
I've read enough spoilers of other media and then seen the real thing afterward to know that sometimes things that sound wack as fuck end up working in the final product, execution matters

I fully expect this to be a hilarious nightmare and produce many memes and tears but it's still premature to call it without seeing it

but I'm not gonna see it lol

wait for rlm deconstruction  :rejoice :mike
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Don Rumata on December 17, 2019, 03:42:31 PM
I've read enough spoilers of other media and then seen the real thing afterward to know that sometimes things that sound wack as fuck end up working in the final product, execution matters
True but:
1) There are more bad SW movies than good ones.
2) This trilogy has been a mess since the beginning.
3) Even a great director with 100% creative freedom, wouldn't have been able to create a coherent, satisfying arc, with one final movie, after the confusion of 7 and 8.

You can't have a punchline land if the set up isn't there.
So what they did, it seems, is go all in with the pathetic and shameless fan service; a well they run dry a while ago.

I'm genuinely open to being surprised, but all elements point to a big (mostly unavoidable at this point) trainwreck.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tuckers Law on December 17, 2019, 03:57:38 PM
More than likely it’s going to be shit, the fans are still going to be whining manchildren and will still watch it multiple times in the theater and spend hundreds of dollars on Star Wars merch.

Meanwhile Star Trek will still be better despite being just as or more mismanaged, especially if we’re including The Orville.  Suck it, Jedi-dorks.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Uncle on December 17, 2019, 03:58:42 PM
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I love that the entire new trilogy is about kylo failing at literally everything he tries to do, gets soundly beaten in every movie until yeeted into a pit  :sabu :betty :crowdlaff :girlaff :mueller
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 17, 2019, 04:15:58 PM
The Alt-Right is at it again!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Don Rumata on December 17, 2019, 04:39:17 PM
Imagine if Trevorrow was to direct this like he was supposed to. 

It could've been an even bigger turd! :lawd
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Nintex on December 17, 2019, 04:40:05 PM
I don't buy that Rian Johnson suddenly turned into a bad director or that JJ had no original ideas for Star Wars.
Stuff like the Casino planet just screams some executive yelling they need something for FAMILIES in the Star Wars movies.

When you read about how some brand director is closely monitoring everything Factor 5 and now Respawn did with the video games, you can't help but wonder how it must be for the movies.
There's scenes in the Last Jedi that were clearly altered like the scene in which Finn was suppose to have died.

Also, there's the start of TFA even, when scenes of Leia lobbying for support against the First Order are known to have been cut out.
You simply can't convince me that Disney spend billions on getting the Star Wars IP and then told the movie guys: "Eh, just do whatever".

Lucas doesn't even seem to be on speaking terms with anyone involved in these movies.
There's some secret hidden in the Disney vault and a bunch of very expensive NDA's that probably show just how much corporate fuckery was going on behind the scenes.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 17, 2019, 04:41:35 PM
These early reviews are going to set the expectations so low that people will come out of the movie thinking it was just okay.

I mean shit, I see people now claiming that Valarian was a misunderstood, fun, sci-fi romp.

 
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Nintex on December 17, 2019, 04:42:40 PM
These early reviews are going to set the expectations so low that people will come out of the movie thinking it was just okay.

I mean shit, I see people now claiming that Valarian was a misunderstood, fun, sci-fi romp.

 
Valerian was better than the Last Jedi. There I said it. But that doesn't say much.
Also it was a big waste of money lmao.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Don Rumata on December 17, 2019, 04:45:51 PM
Valerian is exactly the same shit as 5th Element.
If you like one, you probably like the other.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: paprikastaude on December 17, 2019, 04:49:17 PM
7 was good :trumps

b-b-b-ut remake

so? it was a decent remake, which isn't that common to begin with.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Nintex on December 17, 2019, 04:55:44 PM
Imagine if Trevorrow was to direct this like he was supposed to. 

It could've been an even bigger turd! :lawd
The Jurassic World movies are more consistent than Star Wars.   :doge
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 17, 2019, 04:57:26 PM
Imagine if Trevorrow was to direct this like he was supposed to. 

It could've been an even bigger turd! :lawd
The Jurassic World movies are more consistent than Star Wars.   :doge

:confused the last movie was almost literally two different films stitched together
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Don Rumata on December 17, 2019, 05:04:55 PM
Imagine if Trevorrow was to direct this like he was supposed to. 

It could've been an even bigger turd! :lawd
The Jurassic World movies are more consistent than Star Wars.   :doge
I'd be willing to call the last Jurassic World movie, the worst movie i've ever seen, with a budget above 2 million dollars (just to rule out obvious B-tier garbage).
It was unspeakably horrid.
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Granted i barely like any of 'em.
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: EchoRin on December 17, 2019, 05:07:29 PM
Valerian is exactly the same shit as 5th Element.
If you like one, you probably like the other.

Love 5th Element. Didn't care for Valerian. And I even made sure to see it stoned. Oh well. Chemistry between the main girl and guy just didn't do it for me in Valerian.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Don Rumata on December 17, 2019, 05:14:56 PM
Valerian is exactly the same shit as 5th Element.
If you like one, you probably like the other.

Love 5th Element. Didn't care for Valerian. And I even made sure to see it stoned. Oh well. Chemistry between the main girl and guy just didn't do it for me in Valerian.
I liked Valerian, but i agree with that.
That guy's just insufferable in everything i saw him in, and playing the charismatic space charmer was probably as wrong as you could go with the casting.
I just can't fuck with Luc Besson making sci fi for whatever reason.
It's some corny shit, but he kinda nails the vibe of the French Sci Fi comics i used to read as a kid.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 17, 2019, 05:15:01 PM
I always found calling Force Awakens a remake to be a shallow criticism that doesn’t understand how media works.

Yes a huge genre defining series like Star Wars has iconic elements. No shit a new modern installment meant to basicly bring it back, reuses those elements.

This happens in every rather long running and iconic series. From James Bond to Gundam. The series themselves have their own cliches and troupes that make them that. The real question is how well does the creator use those or reinterpret them.

For Force Awakens is give them like a 7/10.

My main problems being the set-up of the world feels so forced and too safe. By all means have a new empire, but the world makes no sense to have this ragtag rebel group be the only thing fighting it. Finding a balance between new and old is hard and I never thought Disney would be up to it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 17, 2019, 05:26:04 PM
Spectre exists. I’m sorry.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2019, 05:29:47 PM
I was spoiled on TLJ and thought it sounded good, didn't see it till it was out on VOD and thought it was bad cause of how it executed it's ideas.

That was surprising as I genuinely think Rian Johnson is a good director, JJ fucking sucks 99% of the time so I don't doubt it'll be just as awful in execution as it reads on paper.

This whole thing is insanely mismanaged. Yeah, George Lucas didn't have a plan with the OT either but him being in charge of all three meant at least it would move coherently from movie to movie. Here you had a bad director who is a little too obsessed with mystery boxes start it off on the safest ground possible, a weirdo director who either doesn't like SW or didn't care to make one outside of experimenting with it but not really committing to any of his ideas while somehow still evoking the OT's scenes and ending a trilogy in the second part, now the first director is back to try and pull out an ending out of thin air by retconning ideas people actually liked in TLJ even if they didn't like the movie.

It's a complete mess. They're better than the prequels, which isn't hard as those three movies are on a level of awful you can only find in movies yet to leave the VHS format. But as a trilogy they don't really fit in to each other very well.

No way is TLJ "better" than the prequels. They're on the same level.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on December 17, 2019, 05:31:31 PM
When I saw The Force Awakens I hadn't arrived at the correct line on Star Wars movies so I was a little miffed that they'd invalidated all of the Expanded Universe content and then liberally aped the Darth Caedus plot along with a slice of Dark Empire II for the movie.

Anyway, it just struck me that we've gone back to the Dark Empire II well with this movie with our actual villain appearing. I'd say JJ must really love that comic but that's probably giving him way too much credit. :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thetylerrob on December 17, 2019, 05:37:28 PM
Calling TFA a remake was always so dumb. General audiences were starved for a Star Wars movie that was actually good, of course they played it safe.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Nintex on December 17, 2019, 05:48:31 PM
What little I've seen of the Empire so far in The Mandalorian works better than The First Order. Run down thugs, forced to do their dirty work underground, pawning off the assets they've smuggled from their former strongholds.
Resources are limited and the New Republic is not able to secure the outer reaches yet, exactly what would happen in a power vacuum.

Plus there's the EA Battlefront II game which also shows the Empire right after the Emperor is death, seeking revenge.
Both handle it better than suddenly "The New Order is bigger than the entire republic and blows it up in one shot lmao"

The new trilogy really limited itself by starting out destroying the New Republic and giving The First Order seemingly more power and infinite resources.
A more interesting premise would've been a shattered Empire, some factions allying themselves with the New Republic others fighting on their own and of course a group still loyal to their former Sith Masters.

Kylo could for example seek to reunite these factions to restore order, naming his group: "The First Order", sometimes allying himself with the New Republic at other times betraying them.
Luke and others are not sure what to make of Kylo's plans to control the chaos, but they think he's still acting for the good guys.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: EchoRin on December 17, 2019, 05:49:08 PM
I'm sure most of you here know, but I don't remember anymore. There was never a real plan for Episodes 7 through 9 right? Like they didn't write the 3 episodes out prior to shooting the 7th episode? That wouldn't even be a problem as the last few posters have pointed out that ep 7 was a reintroduction more or less. You got a big cast and new faces. See how the audience took these new characters and then make a true plan for your next two episodes. But they straight up have created these episodes that are supposed to be fully connected (not James Bond sequel style), but decided to write them up one at a time without much forethought, yeah?

Wat?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tuckers Law on December 17, 2019, 06:01:50 PM
Not really saying much when the material they had was even worse than any of the prequel stuff.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: EchoRin on December 17, 2019, 06:08:08 PM
Man TLJ is kinda wack but nothing is as bad as prequel material. The cognitive dissonance when comparing the prequels to Disney's own flaccid attempts make no sense to me.

Like have y'all seen Attack Of The Clones? That shit was as putrid as putrid gets.

Agreed. I'll never forget coming home from Ep 3 and oddly enough Ep 2 was on TV. Just at the moment when our main heroes are chained up in some gladiator arena or whatever. I watched for like 10 minutes or so and was pretty much thinking "my god this is just plain old shit".

In retrospect I feel bad that I made my mom take me to see Ep 2 in theaters. Same way I felt about making my aunt go see Matrix Revolutions.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tuckers Law on December 17, 2019, 06:08:35 PM
For as terrible as AotC is (and no mistake here, that movie is TERRIBLE), it at least has a story that makes more sense than whatever junior jumble got turned in as the active script for TLJ.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: nachobro on December 17, 2019, 06:19:14 PM
the video games are better than most of the movies anyway
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Coffee Dog on December 17, 2019, 06:20:42 PM
TLJ absolutely whoops on the prequels by virtue of having a few good scenes with Rey/Kylo, compared to the prequels lack of anything that even reaches the level of competent.

There's just nowhere the prequels have an edge on anything in this comparison - the script, acting, and direction are all woefully inferior. As much fun as it is to be a contrarian, the prequels really are that bad.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on December 17, 2019, 06:24:27 PM
we don't need to rake over how shit the prequels were, but at least they had some sort of coherent narrative, even if the execution was wack.

if someone asked you "what are the prequels about" you could sum it up fairly succinctly. i couldn't begin to tell you what the point of the new films are.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Coffee Dog on December 17, 2019, 06:28:26 PM
we don't need to rake over how shit the prequels were, but at least they had some sort of coherent narrative, even if the execution was wack.

if someone asked you "what are the prequels about" you could sum it up fairly succinctly. i couldn't begin to tell you what the point of the new films are.

I dont really think its fair to say the prequels had a coherent narrative when only the third film sort of did
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: nachobro on December 17, 2019, 06:40:41 PM
we don't need to rake over how shit the prequels were, but at least they had some sort of coherent narrative, even if the execution was wack.

if someone asked you "what are the prequels about" you could sum it up fairly succinctly. i couldn't begin to tell you what the point of the new films are.
i'll believe you if you can explain the what the trade war was, the purpose of obiwan and quigon going to where it was they found anakin, and why the jarjar dudes were fighting in TPM without looking it up online

i legit cannot remember anything about AOTC other than sand is coarse and the arena fight plus flippy yoda at the end

e: was AOTC the one with daddy boba fett and the weird stretched out aliens that made all the stormtroopers? or was that in the third one?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on December 17, 2019, 06:44:16 PM
They're coherent in that the point of the films is to show us how Darth Vader and the Empire happened. Now they very may well have done a shit job of this with bad acting and bad scripts but you still generally know why these movies exist. I still don't really know what the point of the Disney movies are, aside from retelling the og trilogy in a 'first as tragedy then as farce' situation.

That's the biggest thing I think with pretty much every single thing SW related since Disney took over. They refuse to actually move forward. All this new talent/actors etc and all they've done is have them play dress up and go through the same myths and narrative idea Lucas was doing 30 years ago...but worse.

I wouldn't be surprised if Disney really leans into and starts just repackaging all the EU stuff they threw out. You're already seeing a little of this happen as diehard sw dudes seem to be enjoying some of the stuff being told in darkhorse comics, the reaction to fallen order and so on.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on December 17, 2019, 06:47:22 PM
The thing that bugs me the most about The Mandalorian that I haven't see anyone bring up really is that it's lineage isn't samurai films or even classic lucas movies. It's the fucking Clone Wars cartoons. Every single Mandalorian episode so far feels like someone just shot Clone Wars/Clone Wars Saga storyboards. The way the show uses music cues, the way the camera follows action, the humor and even the characters all scream Clone Wars cartoon to me. I feel like I'm watching a live action cartoon. 
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: nachobro on December 17, 2019, 06:48:13 PM
class questlines in TOR are the best star wars stories in the last decade :jeb

The thing that bugs me the most about The Mandalorian that I haven't see anyone bring up really is that it's lineage isn't samurai films or even classic lucas movies. It's the fucking Clone Wars cartoons. Every single Mandalorian episode so far feels like someone just shot Clone Wars/Clone Wars Saga storyboards. The way the show uses music cues, the way the camera follows action, the humor and even the characters all scream Clone Wars cartoon to me. I feel like I'm watching a live action cartoon.
funny enough, this sounds like what lucas always wanted tbh
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 17, 2019, 06:54:46 PM
They're coherent in that the point of the films is to show us how Darth Vader and the Empire happened. Now they very may well have done a shit job of this with bad acting and bad scripts but you still generally know why these movies exist. I still don't really know what the point of the Disney movies are, aside from retelling the og trilogy in a 'first as tragedy then as farce' situation.

That's the biggest thing I think with pretty much every single thing SW related since Disney took over. They refuse to actually move forward. All this new talent/actors etc and all they've done is have them play dress up and go through the same myths and narrative idea Lucas was doing 30 years ago...but worse.

I wouldn't be surprised if Disney really leans into and starts just repackaging all the EU stuff they threw out. You're already seeing a little of this happen as diehard sw dudes seem to be enjoying some of the stuff being told in darkhorse comics, the reaction to fallen order and so on.

Well plus Thrawn was made into a big fucken deal in Rebels a few years back, that's what I really think kicked off the EU re-imports.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 17, 2019, 06:56:46 PM
class questlines in TOR are the best star wars stories in the last decade :jeb

The thing that bugs me the most about The Mandalorian that I haven't see anyone bring up really is that it's lineage isn't samurai films or even classic lucas movies. It's the fucking Clone Wars cartoons. Every single Mandalorian episode so far feels like someone just shot Clone Wars/Clone Wars Saga storyboards. The way the show uses music cues, the way the camera follows action, the humor and even the characters all scream Clone Wars cartoon to me. I feel like I'm watching a live action cartoon.
funny enough, this sounds like what lucas always wanted tbh

I'm not even into MMOs but I thought TOR was really underrated.

Maybe I should check it out again. Ironically it's literally the only pre-Disney Star Wars property that is still running (since switching to F2P I think it started being really profitable, so at least Disney isn't that dumb to eject profitable things.)

The old EU still lives on, officially, at least in one capacity.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: toku on December 17, 2019, 06:58:03 PM
Yeah the live-action cartoon, I didn't really mean it as a dig it's just now what I expected going in and it took me a couple eps to clock what I was feeling but that's where I've settled. A Clone Wars/Rebels spin-off they just decided to shoot instead of animate.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: EchoRin on December 17, 2019, 06:58:18 PM
we don't need to rake over how shit the prequels were, but at least they had some sort of coherent narrative, even if the execution was wack.

if someone asked you "what are the prequels about" you could sum it up fairly succinctly. i couldn't begin to tell you what the point of the new films are.
i'll believe you if you can explain the what the trade war was, the purpose of obiwan and quigon going to where it was they found anakin, and why the jarjar dudes were fighting in TPM without looking it up online

i legit cannot remember anything about AOTC other than sand is coarse and the arena fight plus flippy yoda at the end

e: was AOTC the one with daddy boba fett and the weird stretched out aliens that made all the stormtroopers? or was that in the third one?

Daddy Boba is in the second. He gets his noggin chopped off at the end where there is that massive fight in the gladiator arena. Weird stormtroopers? Probably ep 2 as well. Obi-Wan goes to some random planet by himself for some reason. I mean it's hard to remember something you haven't seen since 2006.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on December 17, 2019, 06:58:33 PM
Well plus Thrawn was made into a big fucken deal in Rebels a few years back, that's what I really think kicked off the EU re-imports.

Thrawn in Rebels is pretty funny because he's very much a rehash of the book incarnation (even down to the studying art) but he's a big bad running... counter insurgency operations? As if we needed more U.S. / Empire parallels after Return of the Jedi. :lol

e: Or Rogue One.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 17, 2019, 06:59:02 PM
Yeah the live-action cartoon, I didn't really mean it as a dig it's just now what I expected going in and it took me a couple eps to clock what I was feeling but that's where I've settled. A Clone Wars/Rebels spin-off they just decided to shoot instead of animate.

Makes sense to me. Weird the TV shows have more tonal consistency despite differing in mediums vs. the new theatrical movies, which are all live action.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 17, 2019, 07:06:59 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/eWw3NBK.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: nachobro on December 17, 2019, 07:08:47 PM
I'm not even into MMOs but I thought TOR was really underrated.

Maybe I should check it out again. Ironically it's literally the only pre-Disney Star Wars property that is still running (since switching to F2P I think it started being really profitable, so at least Disney isn't that dumb to eject profitable things.)

The old EU still lives on, officially, at least in one capacity.
i go back to it when they release new story expansions every few years (one just came out a few months ago, i need to check it out) but they are all pretty good. two expansions ago they did a semi-world reset cause your character got frozen in carbonite for five years and an evil empire took over (lol of course).

but also the game is still run by ea so it is the most nickle and dimey f2p i've ever played. they make you pay for binding spells to keys/clicks and to remove your helmet in a game that tells the whole story by showing your character's face all time, so it's easier to just subscribe :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: nachobro on December 17, 2019, 07:10:47 PM
also this is what i was thinking of. the long aliens that made the clones

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/42/dd/70/42dd706033f140ac3dfb678ec6f234c5.jpg)

this movie sucked so much ass :rofl
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 17, 2019, 07:14:47 PM
I'm not even into MMOs but I thought TOR was really underrated.

Maybe I should check it out again. Ironically it's literally the only pre-Disney Star Wars property that is still running (since switching to F2P I think it started being really profitable, so at least Disney isn't that dumb to eject profitable things.)

The old EU still lives on, officially, at least in one capacity.
i go back to it when they release new story expansions every few years (one just came out a few months ago, i need to check it out) but they are all pretty good. two expansions ago they did a semi-world reset cause your character got frozen in carbonite for five years and an evil empire took over (lol of course).

but also the game is still run by ea so it is the most nickle and dimey f2p i've ever played. they make you pay for binding spells to keys/clicks and to remove your helmet in a game that tells the whole story by showing your character's face all time, so it's easier to just subscribe :lol

Yeah I was originally a beta tester then subscriber, so if I went back I wouldn't mind kicking in some bucks for shit like that.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: paprikastaude on December 17, 2019, 07:26:21 PM
if someone asked you "what are the prequels about" you could sum it up fairly succinctly.

I have yet to understand like Christopher Lee's role in all of it - I think he's supposed to be a main villain, but really... who the fuck was his character? :lol And what meaning the robot guys in Episode 1 had in the movie, let alone in the rest of the series. Or what the emperor's plan was other than to get shot in the face. Also there's giant flies that build the Death Star? It was a convoluted mess of a narrative, much more than the new movies.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: nachobro on December 17, 2019, 08:02:33 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Palpatine says "I AM SNOKE" just before the Snoke-clones-in-tanks reveal. When Kylo asks how he's returned, Palpatine repeats "The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural" from Ep III. That's all we get, other than Dom Monighan and company spit-balling how he could be back and basically chalking it up to Sith magic.
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jj is a fan of prequel memes i guess :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Uncle on December 17, 2019, 09:03:35 PM
I was spoiled on TLJ and thought it sounded good, didn't see it till it was out on VOD and thought it was bad cause of how it executed it's ideas.

That was surprising as I genuinely think Rian Johnson is a good director, JJ fucking sucks 99% of the time so I don't doubt it'll be just as awful in execution as it reads on paper.

This whole thing is insanely mismanaged. Yeah, George Lucas didn't have a plan with the OT either but him being in charge of all three meant at least it would move coherently from movie to movie. Here you had a bad director who is a little too obsessed with mystery boxes start it off on the safest ground possible, a weirdo director who either doesn't like SW or didn't care to make one outside of experimenting with it but not really committing to any of his ideas while somehow still evoking the OT's scenes and ending a trilogy in the second part, now the first director is back to try and pull out an ending out of thin air by retconning ideas people actually liked in TLJ even if they didn't like the movie.

It's a complete mess. They're better than the prequels, which isn't hard as those three movies are on a level of awful you can only find in movies yet to leave the VHS format. But as a trilogy they don't really fit in to each other very well.

No way is TLJ "better" than the prequels. They're on the same level.

I don't know if I can say that

that's a real tough comparison

the prequels are a cartoon show, but at least the story makes basic dumb sense and isn't wheel spinning!

and I don't think you can find ridiculous plot holes and flat out errors in the prequels to the same extent?

like how finn and rose escape the first order fleet and fly off toward salt planet AFTER every other first order ship, in a generic first order ship not like "the fastest one," and yet somehow manage to be the ONLY SHIP that squeezes through the crack of the giant rebel doors so they can happily reunite with everyone  :dizzy
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Don Rumata on December 17, 2019, 09:17:31 PM
Those kind of logistical plot holes don't even bother me much, as long as a thematic arc and a character arc is being built.
That's the biggest issue with this new trilogy, it goes absolutely nowhere with anything.

The Prequel trilogy had a much clearer and defined arc, its problem was that it was shot in the dullest possible way, and that the nitty gritty of the writing was shit, even if the overall arc made sense.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Uncle on December 17, 2019, 10:35:11 PM
yeah it's kind of amazing that TLJ managed to spin its wheels on not only the plot but also all the characters
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on December 17, 2019, 11:10:37 PM
#jjabramsisoverparty
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Uncle on December 17, 2019, 11:34:42 PM
reading about rise of skywalker

(https://i.imgur.com/yoZtPkq.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on December 17, 2019, 11:38:40 PM
Good thing I still have my Star Wars cartoons you fucks laugh at :fbm
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on December 17, 2019, 11:40:41 PM
The thing that bugs me the most about The Mandalorian that I haven't see anyone bring up really is that it's lineage isn't samurai films or even classic lucas movies. It's the fucking Clone Wars cartoons. Every single Mandalorian episode so far feels like someone just shot Clone Wars/Clone Wars Saga storyboards. The way the show uses music cues, the way the camera follows action, the humor and even the characters all scream Clone Wars cartoon to me. I feel like I'm watching a live action cartoon. 
The guy who does the cartoons is a creative on the show, tbh I love his work. The thing that actually bothers me the most about this show is the Mandalorians do not behave anything like the Mandalorians we get to know in the cartoons/canon
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on December 17, 2019, 11:41:00 PM
AND WHERE IS SABINE  :brazilcry
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Uncle on December 17, 2019, 11:51:47 PM
all I really know about the cartoons is at some point I saw an episode where jar jar was like sneaking around a facility and actually doing something cool and I didn't hate him
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on December 17, 2019, 11:55:03 PM
The Mandalorians in The Mandalorian don't seem that different from the Death Watch adherents?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: bluemax on December 17, 2019, 11:55:17 PM
What happens to Leia?

What happens to JJ Abrams BFF SNAX WEXLEY?!?
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2019, 11:59:22 PM
Man TLJ is kinda wack but nothing is as bad as prequel material. The cognitive dissonance when comparing the prequels to Disney's own flaccid attempts make no sense to me.

Like have y'all seen Attack Of The Clones? That shit was as putrid as putrid gets.

I have seen Attack of the Clones only once.

I have also seen TLJ only once.

All I know is that the casino and Finn's adventures reminded me of the prequels.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2019, 12:22:58 AM
#jjabramsisoverparty

It's trending on twitter and it's hilarious
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on December 18, 2019, 12:24:17 AM
The Mandalorians in The Mandalorian don't seem that different from the Death Watch adherents?
Post clone wars the Mandalorians get a bunch of development in Rebels. Also if they evolved from the death watch one of those fellows should have the deathsaber
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: thetylerrob on December 18, 2019, 12:30:40 AM
I still can’t believe that there was a major subplot in Star Wars about how you shouldn’t question authority because being a hot shot is bad or something toxic masculinity Trump is bad respect women. And people defended it.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2019, 12:33:27 AM
I still can’t believe that there was a major subplot in Star Wars about how you shouldn’t question authority because being a hot shot is bad or something toxic masculinity Trump is bad respect women. And people defended it.

:lol Stop reminding me of that movie. It infuriates me.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BIONIC on December 18, 2019, 12:40:33 AM
Attack of the Clones gave us this, thus it’s better than your faves:

https://youtu.be/6DD45wBDLNs

if someone asked you "what are the prequels about" you could sum it up fairly succinctly.

I have yet to understand like Christopher Lee's role in all of it - I think he's supposed to be a main villain, but really... who the fuck was his character? :lol And what meaning the robot guys in Episode 1 had in the movie, let alone in the rest of the series. Or what the emperor's plan was other than to get shot in the face. Also there's giant flies that build the Death Star? It was a convoluted mess of a narrative, much more than the new movies.

https://youtu.be/2fzjOlh5g_o

CHILD. LEVEL. IDEAS.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on December 18, 2019, 12:48:09 AM
adult anakin should have went back to podracing and owned!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on December 18, 2019, 12:51:27 AM
adult anakin should have went back to podracing and owned!
(https://i.imgur.com/ekiMMDe.png)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Kara on December 18, 2019, 12:52:06 AM
The Mandalorians in The Mandalorian don't seem that different from the Death Watch adherents?
Post clone wars the Mandalorians get a bunch of development in Rebels. Also if they evolved from the death watch one of those fellows should have the deathsaber

I watched Rebels.

My point was that they're not that alien from a Death Watch salafist, not that they are the heirs to Death Watch. The shows established that they're a very disunited people who have contradictory beliefs.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: BIONIC on December 18, 2019, 01:03:10 AM
You fucking nerds seriously and furiously discussing kiddy shit like Star Wars :aweshum

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I’m probably watching this shit on Friday :goty
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Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on December 18, 2019, 01:04:54 AM
The Mandalorians in The Mandalorian don't seem that different from the Death Watch adherents?
Post clone wars the Mandalorians get a bunch of development in Rebels. Also if they evolved from the death watch one of those fellows should have the deathsaber

I watched Rebels.

My point was that they're not that alien from a Death Watch salafist, not that they are the heirs to Death Watch. The shows established that they're a very disunited people who have contradictory beliefs.
oh yeah my head canon was they were a clan i've never seen before and this is their way. post civil war the mandos were a lot more unified tho.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Momo on December 18, 2019, 01:16:47 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsrAGjesyYY
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 18, 2019, 01:49:51 AM
I have yet to understand like Christopher Lee's role in all of it - I think he's supposed to be a main villain, but really... who the fuck was his character? :lol And what meaning the robot guys in Episode 1 had in the movie, let alone in the rest of the series. Or what the emperor's plan was other than to get shot in the face. Also there's giant flies that build the Death Star? It was a convoluted mess of a narrative, much more than the new movies.
Lucas killed Darth Maul in the first movie so he needed a second villain.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 18, 2019, 01:58:55 AM
really the entire logic behind every single part of the Clone Wars in the films is quite odd, also this is supposed to be a Republic of like a trillion people or some shit and literally nobody, including the Jedi (except Obi-Wan), seem to care about any of it and just go along with everything, even after Palpatine wins the war against himself they're all like "this is what we do now, we're an Empire, sorry"

even Yoda's like "what do can we" when he shows up in AOTC despite Obi-Wan already telling him what's going on :lol
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Coffee Dog on December 18, 2019, 04:11:37 AM
I'm surprised that the film is getting critically slagged, but it shows how much damage TLJ/Solo did to the brand that reviewers are unafraid of doing so. All three prequel films as well as TLJ got rave critical reviews.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: NekoFever on December 18, 2019, 04:45:40 AM
I watched TLJ last night. The Finn/Rose casino planet plotline is completely redundant prequel-tier garbage but I quite like the rest. The Luke/Rey/Kylo plot is great.

I'm seeing ROS tomorrow evening and am expecting a glorious clusterfuck.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 18, 2019, 05:43:17 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/VuDO77t.png)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: headwalk on December 18, 2019, 06:32:41 AM
the reviews to me just read like the reviews TFA should've had.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: benjipwns on December 18, 2019, 07:29:59 AM
In the wake of this there are going to be a lot of people trying to assign blame.

Be it JJ Abrams, Disney, Gamergate, China, SJWs, Nintex, etc. someone will be said to have ruined the Star War. But I am here to reveal to you all something.

IT WAS ME AUSTIN, IT WAS ME ALL ALONG

Finally my long plot of revenge against the world for its absurdly high reception of Star Trek and Star Trek Into Darkness is complete. Especially the period post-ID's release where they were the two highest reviewed films of the franchise and where they remain the two highest Metacritic Trek films and two highest grossing Trek films. Much like Palpatine I threw you all off the scent just to strike back at you with a nonsensical plan in the end! Tremble before my UNLIMITED POOOWWWWWWWEEEEERRRRRRR! I AM THE SENATE! THIRD MEME REFERENCE!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Uncle on December 18, 2019, 08:46:53 AM
I don't know if I ever really followed Dooku, I know he had a bigger role in the cartoon series and assumed he was fleshed out there

I thought he was somehow a nod to a bigger universe where counts exist and have a more formal education and learn a different dueling style and all that
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: nachobro on December 18, 2019, 08:49:49 AM
In the wake of this there are going to be a lot of people trying to assign blame.

Be it JJ Abrams, Disney, Gamergate, China, SJWs, Nintex, etc. someone will be said to have ruined the Star War. But I am here to reveal to you all something.

IT WAS ME AUSTIN, IT WAS ME ALL ALONG

Finally my long plot of revenge against the world for its absurdly high reception of Star Trek and Star Trek Into Darkness is complete. Especially the period post-ID's release where they were the two highest reviewed films of the franchise and where they remain the two highest Metacritic Trek films and two highest grossing Trek films. Much like Palpatine I threw you all off the scent just to strike back at you with a nonsensical plan in the end! Tremble before my UNLIMITED POOOWWWWWWWEEEEERRRRRRR! I AM THE SENATE! THIRD MEME REFERENCE!

(https://i.redd.it/o1i20w9w9oe01.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: nachobro on December 18, 2019, 09:01:08 AM
Quote
Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker is what happens when a franchise gives up
The new movie is a colossal failure of imagination.
https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/12/18/21021188/star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-review-no-spoilers

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Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker is the Force ghost version of a movie
http://share.ew.com/4D5thKV

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Review: The Rise of Skywalker—and the Fall of Fun
J.J. Abrams's Star Wars trilogy-ender is too desperate to be loved to take any real risks.
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/12/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-review

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Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker is an entertaining but deeply flawed final chapter that ultimately plays it too safe.
https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/12/18/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-review?sf114475186=1

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Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker Review: A Disappointing End To The Skywalker Saga
https://www.cinemablend.com/reviews/2486987/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-review-a-disappointing-end-to-the-skywalker-saga

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Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker Review - A Galactic Disappointment
https://www.gamespot.com/reviews/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-review-a-galactic-/1900-6417383/

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372503124226867203/656856656055107589/download.jpg)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 18, 2019, 09:03:36 AM
Rise of Skywalker has a lower rating on RT than Attack of the Clones. :neogaf
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: daemon on December 18, 2019, 09:08:15 AM
Yeah the live-action cartoon, I didn't really mean it as a dig it's just now what I expected going in and it took me a couple eps to clock what I was feeling but that's where I've settled. A Clone Wars/Rebels spin-off they just decided to shoot instead of animate.

Disney has some incredible sociopath tendencies.

"Hey i'm gonna make a kids movie"
-Okay just make sure you make adults cry

"Hey i'm gonna make a teen+ show"
-Okay just make sure it's for kids too
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: nachobro on December 18, 2019, 09:09:44 AM
Rise of Skywalker has a lower rating on RT than Attack of the Clones. :neogaf

(https://media1.giphy.com/media/3se2U9ZAJr7DW/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 18, 2019, 09:10:43 AM
From the NYT review - “The director is J.J. Abrams, perhaps the most consistent B student in modern popular culture.”

Ouch.

It's going to be funny if Cats becomes a higher-rated movie among critics and audiences.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: daemon on December 18, 2019, 09:11:50 AM
Rise of Skywalker has a lower rating on RT than Attack of the Clones. :neogaf

This somehow gives me hope, considering TLJ got a 91% and TFA got a 93%
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 18, 2019, 09:15:51 AM
It shouldn't, since it just means that Star Wars movies have very over-inflated RT ratings.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: daemon on December 18, 2019, 09:18:41 AM
It shouldn't, since it just means that Star Wars movies have very over-inflated RT ratings.

Well, fuck.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2019, 09:36:54 AM
I watched TLJ last night. The Finn/Rose casino planet plotline is completely redundant prequel-tier garbage but I quite like the rest. The Luke/Rey/Kylo plot is great.

I'm seeing ROS tomorrow evening and am expecting a glorious clusterfuck.

The Rey/Luke/Kylo stuff is great until they backtrack.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2019, 09:42:54 AM
BAHAHAHA

THE THING WE KNEW AFTER TLJ CAME TO PASS

STAR WARS IS DEAD!

LONG LIVE THE WAR OF THE STARS!
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 18, 2019, 09:49:17 AM
BAHAHAHA

THE THING WE KNEW AFTER TLJ CAME TO PASS

STAR WARS IS DEAD!

LONG LIVE THE WAR OF THE STARS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQL0h2TNJG0

:jeb
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 18, 2019, 09:53:12 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSf5tx4e_PA

:whew
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2019, 10:17:30 AM
I'm curious how anyone who liked TLJ possibly thought that the next movie could be anything other than a trainwreck.

Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: Uncle on December 18, 2019, 10:31:26 AM
I'm curious how anyone who liked TLJ possibly thought that the next movie could be anything other than a trainwreck.

what do you think Rian would have done with it if the whole thing had been handed to him to continue, and disney didn't tell him "people didn't like this, fix this shit" and stayed hands off
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Post by: Himu on December 18, 2019, 10:35:38 AM
Let's not pretend Rian had a plan.

Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tuckers Law on December 18, 2019, 10:37:07 AM

:whew

:mynicca Now, this right here.  This is that real shit.

You better not fuck up the sequel, Whitta.   :ufup
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2019, 10:38:14 AM
BAHAHAHA

THE THING WE KNEW AFTER TLJ CAME TO PASS

STAR WARS IS DEAD!

LONG LIVE THE WAR OF THE STARS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQL0h2TNJG0

:jeb

https://youtu.be/BB0C5V8OPVI
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2019, 10:40:24 AM
For those that liked TLJ

Were you excited for ep IX? If so, why? Finally, what did you think would happen?
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: daemon on December 18, 2019, 10:48:21 AM
If you don't care for spoilers, go to star wars leak on reddit.

I'm laughing my ass off, tbh.
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: headwalk on December 18, 2019, 10:48:40 AM
you can almost hear the frantic typing of dozens of disney content reaction executives, smashing out emails to RT with "does this REALLY read like a ROTTEN review to you??!!" with a line about the nice special effects or costume design triple underlined.

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And yet, ‘The Rise of Skywalker; is as much metafiction as Johnson’s film was. Rather than asking questions about what we really want from a series like “Star Wars,” and whether we’re ready to allow our childhood fictions to grow with us, J.J. Abrams and crew decide to lean on the emotional warmth of reunions, friendships, redemptions, and goodbyes. There is some heartfelt value here, or at least, some of it does admittedly produce some anthemic feels, but it doesn’t hold much weight. Ultimately Abrams, taking this epic ship in for one last seat-of-its pants landing and says definitively, that there are no questions to ask, that it’s all just glossy entertainment, and that we can recycle the same ideas over and over for decades into the future and beyond. [C]

that's a "fresh" review apparently.
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 18, 2019, 10:49:55 AM
this is going to be a fun weekend
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: nachobro on December 18, 2019, 10:51:15 AM
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/366181562456211456/656884814485520401/unknown.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/bLN64Fd.gif)
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: NekoFever on December 18, 2019, 11:00:45 AM
If you don't care for spoilers, go to star wars leak on reddit.

I'm laughing my ass off, tbh.

This is hilarious.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Why doesn't he just stop shooting lightning?
[close]
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 18, 2019, 11:16:35 AM
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/366181562456211456/656884814485520401/unknown.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/bLN64Fd.gif)

(https://i.imgur.com/bx732tm.jpg)
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: Momo on December 18, 2019, 11:18:18 AM
Ackbar died for this shit
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Post by: EchoRin on December 18, 2019, 11:19:07 AM
Damn. I'm still gonna see it after the crowds die down, but it's a bummer to hear it's apparently the worst film of the trilogy. I guess in the end the OG trilogy will always be there and the universe is still interesting. Just sucks that two mainline trilogies couldn't do the series justice.
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2019, 11:39:21 AM
the universe is still interesting

If the universe were so interesting why did they make two failed trilogies? Star Wars should have never left the confines of the original trilogy.
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Post by: mormapope on December 18, 2019, 11:48:10 AM
the universe is still interesting

If the universe were so interesting why did they make two failed trilogies? Star Wars should have never left the confines of the original trilogy.

Ehh, it's more like the original trilogy had much more talented people working alongside George Lucas. And with this new trilogy, JJ Abrhams is a fucking boring hack.

Extended universe stuff for Star Wars up to a certain point was fantastic. Disney being involved with Star Wars? Not only do the movies suck, extended universe stuff amounts to baby Yoda memes.
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: Don Rumata on December 18, 2019, 11:49:04 AM
If you don't care for spoilers, go to star wars leak on reddit.

I'm laughing my ass off, tbh.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The Sheev: "You can't defeat me, i'm all of the Sith!"
Rey: "And i'm all of the Jedi"
*she sends the lightning back at him*
[close]
:lol This writing is worse than anime.

This should've been called "Star Wars episode IX: All of the Jedi"
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Post by: Coffee Dog on December 18, 2019, 12:04:00 PM
I'm curious how anyone who liked TLJ possibly thought that the next movie could be anything other than a trainwreck.

The could have like, just not brought back palpatine and use all that spare running time in the intro to establish kylo ren as a big bad villain (who does not get redeemed)

I dont know if it would have been a good movie, but it at least wouldnt be a confused mess
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: daemon on December 18, 2019, 12:06:18 PM
If you don't care for spoilers, go to star wars leak on reddit.

I'm laughing my ass off, tbh.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The Sheev: "You can't defeat me, i'm all of the Sith!"
Rey: "And i'm all of the Jedi"
*she sends the lightning back at him*
[close]
:lol This writing is worse than anime.

This should've been called "Star Wars episode IX: All of the Jedi"

If JJ was a man of culture, he would've:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Sheev: You will not stop my force lightning!
Rey: Omae wa mou shindeiru
Sheev: NANI?
[close]

The biggest LOL is:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The Emperor yeeting Kylo
[close]
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Post by: studyguy on December 18, 2019, 12:09:12 PM
Girlfriend sat me down to watch the entire first two trilogies back to back then we watched these two lead ups.

I still don't get the mass appeal.
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Post by: ToxicAdam on December 18, 2019, 12:12:35 PM
Probably helps to be a child when you watch it for the first time.

Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2019, 12:13:26 PM
the universe is still interesting

If the universe were so interesting why did they make two failed trilogies? Star Wars should have never left the confines of the original trilogy.

Ehh, it's more like the original trilogy had much more talented people working alongside George Lucas. And with this new trilogy, JJ Abrhams is a fucking boring hack.

Extended universe stuff for Star Wars up to a certain point was fantastic. Disney being involved with Star Wars? Not only do the movies suck, extended universe stuff amounts to baby Yoda memes.

Star Wars is rebel vs empire, light vs dark, that's it. In what way is that universe so limiting interesting? This is why Star Wars is a shadow of itself outside of the original trilogy. Things that do unique things and have unique things to say about Star Wars (KOTOR 2) are the rare and few exceptions, not the norm. An interesting universe has many things to say rather than reuse material because you're beholdened to some idea of what you *should* be.

My conclusion is still the same after TLJ and Rogue One: Star Wars sucks balls outside of the original trilogy.

But maybe my opinion will change once I see Mandalorian.
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: Coffee Dog on December 18, 2019, 12:18:18 PM
the universe is still interesting

If the universe were so interesting why did they make two failed trilogies? Star Wars should have never left the confines of the original trilogy.

Ehh, it's more like the original trilogy had much more talented people working alongside George Lucas. And with this new trilogy, JJ Abrhams is a fucking boring hack.

Extended universe stuff for Star Wars up to a certain point was fantastic. Disney being involved with Star Wars? Not only do the movies suck, extended universe stuff amounts to baby Yoda memes.

Star Wars is rebel vs empire, light vs dark, that's it. In what way is that universe so limiting interesting? This is why Star Wars is a shadow of itself outside of the original trilogy. Things that do unique things and have unique things to say about Star Wars (KOTOR 2) are the rare and few exceptions, not the norm. An interesting universe has many things to say rather than reuse material because you're beholdened to some idea of what you *should* be.

Rebel vs empire and light vs dark is so broad and generic that it's hardly limiting, imo. The issue with these new movies is not that they are star wars, it's that these new movies literally reuse all the same characters, plot devices, and story beats, and they don't have to. They limit themselves, willingly.

I can only imagine what Star Trek would look like if it never moved beyond Kirk/Spock/Klingons.
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2019, 12:25:34 PM
the universe is still interesting

If the universe were so interesting why did they make two failed trilogies? Star Wars should have never left the confines of the original trilogy.

It's the other way around, all the interesting stuff exists outside the movies, but all of that only exists because the (bad) movies keep the intellectual property alive so hopefully they keep making more bad but profitable movies.

Hmm. I haven't read a SW book since I was a kid so I'll trust your word. My problem with stuff like that is it comes across like fan fiction.
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2019, 12:31:47 PM

I can only imagine what Star Trek would look like if it never moved beyond Kirk/Spock/Klingons.

Essentially what Star Trek is now?

RIP.

Thankfully Discovery is going centuries into the future so we can finally (with hope) have some actual Star Trek and not "REMEMBER SPOCK?!"
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Post by: nachobro on December 18, 2019, 12:39:55 PM
KOTOR and the MMO are the best star wars stories. i'm just gonna keep posting that :hmph
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: daemon on December 18, 2019, 12:50:39 PM
the universe is still interesting

If the universe were so interesting why did they make two failed trilogies? Star Wars should have never left the confines of the original trilogy.

Ehh, it's more like the original trilogy had much more talented people working alongside George Lucas. And with this new trilogy, JJ Abrhams is a fucking boring hack.

Extended universe stuff for Star Wars up to a certain point was fantastic. Disney being involved with Star Wars? Not only do the movies suck, extended universe stuff amounts to baby Yoda memes.

Star Wars is rebel vs empire, light vs dark, that's it. In what way is that universe so limiting interesting? This is why Star Wars is a shadow of itself outside of the original trilogy. Things that do unique things and have unique things to say about Star Wars (KOTOR 2) are the rare and few exceptions, not the norm. An interesting universe has many things to say rather than reuse material because you're beholdened to some idea of what you *should* be.

My conclusion is still the same after TLJ and Rogue One: Star Wars sucks balls outside of the original trilogy.

But maybe my opinion will change once I see Mandalorian.

Pretty reductionist argument. The movies add a lot of detail that is barely touched that other authors expand on. That's why the OT and specially the prequels are so interesting, because they're a blank canvas for other creatives to expand on. And the thing is: Lucas actually respected those creators and liked to tie-in his lore with others inputs. The result was an interesting lore ecosystem.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 18, 2019, 01:00:17 PM
That Disney totally yeeted the entire EU [Expanded Universe, not European Union] and then had the audacity to go "Well, we just had to come up with all new ideas ourselves because their wasn't any source material to draw from" is so infuriating.
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: Uncle on December 18, 2019, 01:04:36 PM
If you don't care for spoilers, go to star wars leak on reddit.

I'm laughing my ass off, tbh.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The Sheev: "You can't defeat me, i'm all of the Sith!"
Rey: "And i'm all of the Jedi"
*she sends the lightning back at him*
[close]
:lol This writing is worse than anime.

This should've been called "Star Wars episode IX: All of the Jedi"

(https://i.imgur.com/8p3exsM.png)
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2019, 01:12:21 PM
the universe is still interesting

If the universe were so interesting why did they make two failed trilogies? Star Wars should have never left the confines of the original trilogy.

Ehh, it's more like the original trilogy had much more talented people working alongside George Lucas. And with this new trilogy, JJ Abrhams is a fucking boring hack.

Extended universe stuff for Star Wars up to a certain point was fantastic. Disney being involved with Star Wars? Not only do the movies suck, extended universe stuff amounts to baby Yoda memes.

Star Wars is rebel vs empire, light vs dark, that's it. In what way is that universe so limiting interesting? This is why Star Wars is a shadow of itself outside of the original trilogy. Things that do unique things and have unique things to say about Star Wars (KOTOR 2) are the rare and few exceptions, not the norm. An interesting universe has many things to say rather than reuse material because you're beholdened to some idea of what you *should* be.

My conclusion is still the same after TLJ and Rogue One: Star Wars sucks balls outside of the original trilogy.

But maybe my opinion will change once I see Mandalorian.

Pretty reductionist argument. The movies add a lot of detail that is barely touched that other authors expand on. That's why the OT and specially the prequels are so interesting, because they're a blank canvas for other creatives to expand on. And the thing is: Lucas actually respected those creators and liked to tie-in his lore with others inputs. The result was an interesting lore ecosystem.

The fact it needs other authors to expand upon to me shows it's a limited universe. I prefer franchises that are able to have in-depth stories within their own official works.

If anything, your point proves my argument. They needed other creatives to expand the Star Wars universe that wasn't there. Meanwhile something like Star Trek has a tv series, multiple movies, multiple sequel tv series', and an entire universe within its own official media. Needing to use an expanded universe to go in-depth is a flaw for Star Wars, not a plus. They're even doing it now. Oh, you need to read this such and such comic to understand that part of the movie. You should read the books to get more detail. This shows a limited universe with limited creative vision. Meanwhile, with Trek all I gotta do is watch the damn show. Expanded universe? Who gives a fuck. It doesn't need an expanded universe. Star Wars however, does. Hell, even Marvel movies manage make a more complete, cohesive universe than Star Wars.

Star Wars fucking sucks.
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Post by: Uncle on December 18, 2019, 01:17:33 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/gA8Nsvx.jpg)
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: Tasty on December 18, 2019, 01:28:36 PM
If you don't care for spoilers, go to star wars leak on reddit.

I'm laughing my ass off, tbh.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The Sheev: "You can't defeat me, i'm all of the Sith!"
Rey: "And i'm all of the Jedi"
*she sends the lightning back at him*
[close]
:lol This writing is worse than anime.

This should've been called "Star Wars episode IX: All of the Jedi"

Well Sheev, I guess we really are the all of the Sith.
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: Tasty on December 18, 2019, 01:29:59 PM
All they needed to do to explain Palpatine is name drop Darth Plagueis' discovery of immortality.

That would actually be a neat callback.
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Post by: nachobro on December 18, 2019, 01:34:49 PM
"rey did you ever hear the tragedy of darth plagueis the wise?"
"shut up old man" *lightsaber throw*
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 18, 2019, 01:37:37 PM
JJ Abrams? More like Jar-Jar Abrams amirite!
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 18, 2019, 01:40:57 PM
"rey did you ever hear the tragedy of darth plagueis the wise?"
"shut up old man" *lightsaber throw*

Missed opportunity to not have Rey “ok boomer” Sheev in this movie. Rian definitely would have.
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: benjipwns on December 18, 2019, 01:47:12 PM
All they needed to do to explain Palpatine is name drop Darth Plagueis' discovery of immortality.

That would actually be a neat callback.
He literally, no fooling, says this line to Kylo Ren
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIHF8Xe-O6Y
[close]
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Post by: naff on December 18, 2019, 01:49:39 PM
kinda happy abrams is responsible for the critical flop.

I'll admit to having enjoyed his movies in the past. but I'm not happy about it! they always ring a little hollow and leave you feeling empty. one of the most creatively bankrupt corporate fav #1 directors in the biz.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 18, 2019, 01:57:44 PM
And get one director for the whole trilogy so it doesn’t end up looking like a fight between two directors and Disney again.
The original trilogy had three different directors. And they came up with the script just before shooting each time. Lucas came up with the Vader/Luke connection at the end of writing Empire, and Return of the Jedi was basically written from a list of ideas by four dudes sitting around needing a script asap.

JJ screwed the entire thing up from the start when he wrote the entire universe into an Obi-Wan sits around and ages extra fast plot hole.
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Post by: Boredfrom on December 18, 2019, 02:00:10 PM
He screwed up when he decided to do “the empire is back and leader is a CG character named Snorkel. Every single of OG Trilogy heroes are cynical incompetent  old men running away from their offscreen failures.”
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Post by: Boredfrom on December 18, 2019, 02:10:10 PM
I wonder if they'll back out of the Obi Wan series like they dropped extra films after TLJ response.

Ironically, Obi Wan might really be their only hope to salvage the franchise :lol

The Mandalorian is doing pretty good, isn’t it? And Star Wars Fallen Order seems to be way more beloved than Battlefront.

They may trying just focusing in transition Eras rather than deal with the film timelines.
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Post by: bork on December 18, 2019, 02:11:08 PM
I don't really give a crap about Star Wars in general, but I find it hard to believe that based on the RT consensus, fucking ATTACK OF THE CLONES is a better movie than this new one is.
  :doge
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Post by: benjipwns on December 18, 2019, 02:11:57 PM
The best part of all the best parts is maybe
spoiler (click to show/hide)
The Force Teleport™ of a lightsaber from All The Jedi™ to Kylo complete with magic trick illusion style dramatic reveal
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Post by: bork on December 18, 2019, 02:14:07 PM
Revenge Of The Sith is at 80% on there??  :lol :rofl

That's some garbo shit.
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Post by: Boredfrom on December 18, 2019, 02:14:41 PM
Revenge Of The Sith is at 80% on there??  :lol :rofl

That's some garbo shit.

 :sheik
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 18, 2019, 02:14:47 PM
JJ screwed up when he destroyed the entire New Republic in two seconds by Darth Vader cosplayers who somehow had the resources to build a 100x bigger and more powerful Death Star that no one knew about.
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Post by: nachobro on December 18, 2019, 02:14:56 PM
every star war has an inflated rt score
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Post by: Uncle on December 18, 2019, 02:18:54 PM
JJ screwed up when he destroyed the entire New Republic in two seconds by Darth Vader cosplayers who somehow had the resources to build a 100x bigger and more powerful Death Star that no one knew about.

although when you think about it this way, if the new republic is recovering and things are getting better but evil is simmering under the surface as sith forces start trying to insidiously worm their way in to undermine the governments

instead of retreading the OT you're retreading the prequels  :kobeyuck
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Post by: benjipwns on December 18, 2019, 02:19:46 PM
what part of the stupid plot did you think i was talking about :rage
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Post by: Boredfrom on December 18, 2019, 02:20:43 PM
JJ screwed up when he destroyed the entire New Republic in two seconds by Darth Vader cosplayers who somehow had the resources to build a 100x bigger and more powerful Death Star that no one knew about.

although when you think about it this way, if the new republic is recovering and things are getting better but evil is simmering under the surface as sith forces start trying to insidiously worm their way in to undermine the governments

instead of retreading the OT you're retreading the prequels  :kobeyuck

But at least the prequels build it up. This was just “nothing really mattered in the OG trilogy” which is worse if you think about it.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 18, 2019, 02:27:07 PM
But at least the prequels build it up. This was just “nothing really mattered in the OG trilogy” which is worse if you think about it.
it's okay though because now none of it really mattered plot wise

(https://i.imgur.com/Zh2hVHz.jpg)
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Post by: daemon on December 18, 2019, 02:29:18 PM
I didn't think we'd have unmarked spoilers.

So uncivillized
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Post by: BIONIC on December 18, 2019, 02:29:47 PM
TDKR CIA guy :lawd
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Post by: Tuckers Law on December 18, 2019, 02:34:21 PM
TDKR CIA guy :lawd

Littlefinger has machinations everywhere, from Langley to Baltimore.  Guys a true Sith Lord.
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Post by: bork on December 18, 2019, 02:35:36 PM
But at least the prequels build it up. This was just “nothing really mattered in the OG trilogy” which is worse if you think about it.

That's definitely true.  Doesn't feel like these recent movies have enough of an arc to them.  It felt like the second movie made stuff in the first one not matter and from spoilers, it looks like the new one then does this to the second one.  :lol
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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on December 18, 2019, 02:35:42 PM
JJ screwed the entire thing up from the start when he wrote the entire universe into an Obi-Wan sits around and ages extra fast plot hole.
wait what? can you refresh my memory on this one?
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Post by: bork on December 18, 2019, 02:43:42 PM
Easy way to fix this- what did JJ do with Star Trek?  He made it take place in an alternate timeline. 

So just make a new trilogy that ignores this last one and retcons it to have taken place in an alternate universe or some shit.  SW nerds love that extended universe stuff, right?  Go with that.
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Post by: daemon on December 18, 2019, 02:44:58 PM
JJ screwed the entire thing up from the start when he wrote the entire universe into an Obi-Wan sits around and ages extra fast plot hole.
wait what? can you refresh my memory on this one?

He's saying that to fill in a gap (how does the empire come back and overrule) he just thought: bigger deathstar with multiple lasers, fuck it!
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 18, 2019, 03:08:04 PM
JJ screwed up when he destroyed the entire New Republic in two seconds by Darth Vader cosplayers who somehow had the resources to build a 100x bigger and more powerful Death Star that no one knew about.

although when you think about it this way, if the new republic is recovering and things are getting better but evil is simmering under the surface as sith forces start trying to insidiously worm their way in to undermine the governments

instead of retreading the OT you're retreading the prequels  :kobeyuck

But just imagine if Watto's Trade Federation was blockading Kashyyyk and Luke and Leia had to go negotiate a settlement and keep Watto from kidnapping Chewbacca and forcing the Wookies to accept unfavorable terms.

:lawd
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Post by: nachobro on December 18, 2019, 03:16:53 PM
limp dick lightsabersman :rejoice
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Post by: daemon on December 18, 2019, 03:22:49 PM
Alternate timelines are probably the most alienating thing you can do to fans and normal people. Even bore forums posters can't remember who count dooku is

What the fuck are you talking about. I clearly remember when he fought Master Gan-D'alph
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Post by: BIONIC on December 18, 2019, 03:24:24 PM
limp dick lightsabersman :rejoice

These Kojima villain names are getting out of hand.
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: team filler on December 18, 2019, 03:34:37 PM
if someone asked you "what are the prequels about" you could sum it up fairly succinctly.

I have yet to understand like Christopher Lee's role in all of it - I think he's supposed to be a main villain, but really... who the fuck was his character? :lol And what meaning the robot guys in Episode 1 had in the movie, let alone in the rest of the series. Or what the emperor's plan was other than to get shot in the face. Also there's giant flies that build the Death Star? It was a convoluted mess of a narrative, much more than the new movies.
giant flies? 
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Post by: bork on December 18, 2019, 03:38:16 PM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2019/12/18/review-disney-and-lucasfilms-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-is-a-terrible-end-to-the-skywalker-saga/amp/

Quote
The Rise of Skywalker is a bad movie and a miserable finale that serves no purpose other than to reassure adult fans of the original Star Wars that they are still the “chosen ones” of the pop culture galaxy.

 :lucas
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 18, 2019, 04:04:03 PM
Real talk: Real Star Wars fans wanted Mara Jade and Grand Admiral Thrawn in the sequel trilogy.

They could have even kept Snoke as a weird clone boi and just changed his name to Joruus C'baoth.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 18, 2019, 04:15:48 PM
#BugLivesMatter
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Post by: Kara on December 18, 2019, 04:30:54 PM
That was a good episode of Rebels.

The Saw Gerrera arc. :lawd
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Post by: paprikastaude on December 18, 2019, 05:09:23 PM
Some guy walking past by me on the street, ranting something on the phone along the lines of "but then she died, but then some stupid kiss..."  :doge
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Post by: Tasty on December 18, 2019, 05:19:52 PM
every star war has an inflated rt score

Still true even for RoS :crazy
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Post by: Boredfrom on December 18, 2019, 05:20:33 PM
Some guy walking past by me on the street, ranting something on the phone along the lines of "but then she died, but then some stupid kiss..."  :doge

 :lucille
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Post by: toku on December 18, 2019, 05:30:59 PM
Someone on another forum mentioned after this most recent ep of mandalorian (might be the best tbh) that Carl Weathers' performance should be text book how to portray a SW character. Really strong secondary character. You don't miss Greef when he isn't on screen, but the show is always better when he pops up.
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Post by: nachobro on December 18, 2019, 05:58:54 PM
Apollo Creed is in a Star War? :leon
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Post by: Uncle on December 18, 2019, 06:16:45 PM
when this shit is shit it always washes over you in waves

the latest realization dawning on star wars fans this evening is that the sith broadcast message mentioned in the iconic opening Star Wars text crawl™ does not appear in the film

this is because it happened during the exclusive live Fortnite event last weekend
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 18, 2019, 06:23:37 PM
Sounds like I can wait for this one to come to Netflix. 
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Post by: Boredfrom on December 18, 2019, 06:34:14 PM
Sounds like I can wait for this one to come to Netflix.

 :gurl
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Post by: Nintex on December 18, 2019, 06:47:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pEJ18N_JuM

Star Wars films have been rudderless since 1994.
It has been reheated and reinvented twice for a new generation.

Original Trilogy: Nerd creates fun and innovative space films with friends and mostly unknown actors, lightning in a bottle
Prequel Trilogy: "Kids" movies about taxation and trade routes to sell toys and pioneer digital film making
Disney Trilogy: Banking on the IP with a JJ nostalgia reboot, turning it edgy, angst and woke with the Last Jedi and finally trying to conclude something that started as something entirely different

The strength of the original Star Wars, was that it was such a misfit to the era it was created in, it was something exciting and different even if objectively it wasn't even technically or from an acting point of view the best film at the time.
Lucas tried to replicate that with the prequels, but he couldn't because the stakes were way higher and in 1994 when he started writing TPM he couldn't count on the same adults that liked SW in the 80's to turn up and watch it.
He aimed it at a new generation trying to fit in the popular things at the time (digitization, comic relief, politics). If you look at the popular movies of the late 90's (Titanic, Babe, Toy Story, The Lion King etc.) you can see where he was coming from
and why with TPM, AotC and ROTS he was always one step behind chasing the market except with his technology.

It sorta reminds me of the final season of Game of Thrones.
GoT at that point had changed from an at the time daring fantasy series that was carried mostly by seasoned actors like Mark Addy, Charles Dance and Sean Bean
to a multi-season cross media behemoth that had lost its best characters/actors and source material halfway through the show. So they had to fall back on the only thing they had left Dragons and 'epic' battle scenes with fast action.

Likewise after 20 years, JJ had nothing left to fall back on but nostalgia. And even that nostalgia exists in at least 2 or 3 different forms at this point.  :doge
Unless he did something entirely different (and Johnson tried but couldn't pull that off within the Disney corporate constraints, so that was off the table) there was no way this would not end in a mediocre final product.
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Post by: toku on December 18, 2019, 06:54:30 PM
It's all good 2020 this nostalgia dead.
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Post by: Tasty on December 18, 2019, 07:37:30 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/64AcMrj.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/MXl3vJk.gif)
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Post by: Tasty on December 18, 2019, 07:38:18 PM
All they needed to do to explain Palpatine is name drop Darth Plagueis' discovery of immortality.

That would actually be a neat callback.
He literally, no fooling, says this line to Kylo Ren
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIHF8Xe-O6Y
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NOT ON THE NOSE ENUFF :maf

That Darth Sidious shoutout by Luke in TLJ made me :gladbron
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Post by: Don Rumata on December 18, 2019, 08:53:47 PM
Honestly I can't believe there isn't an entire force ghost Skywalker (plus Obi) family scene or shot in this. I'm talking Hayden Anakin, Natalie Portman Padme, Luke and Liea, maybe Anakin's mom, and Ewan Obi Wan giving Rey a nice smile and wave. That seemed like something JJ wouldn't be able to resist.
"If you wanna be Woman Thor, there something you gotta sign, first..."
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 18, 2019, 09:06:48 PM
lol it's below Jumanjii
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Post by: mormapope on December 18, 2019, 09:18:19 PM
lol it's below Jumanjii

It'd be really awesome if The Rock and Jack Black became a bigger box office draw than Star Wars.

Disney should honestly take a look at a franchise that did it right for universe building. That franchise being Fast and Furious.
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Post by: headwalk on December 18, 2019, 10:49:04 PM
i've seen worse films, but i'm not sure i've seen a more desperate one. it's like a frantic loser's last plea when getting dumped by someone way out of their league, begging them to remember all the good times and how everything they've got means soo much.

the clive barker/hammer horror palps is a proper laugh though, chewing every possible bit of scenery while being zipped around by his massive pneumatic mobilty arm. the characters talking around leia like she's a mostly mute puppet and interpreting every throwaway line they had left on the cutting room floor as something massively significant is also a right rib tickler if utterly morbid at the same time.

reading the plot points and leaks doesn't quite convey the smash cut reductiveness of how the whole farce comes together. something will be suggested, executed and already forgotten about by the time you've even gauged whats supposed to be happening. characters introduced and then 15 minutes later you're supposed to be invested in their relationship with the boring protaganists or plot that you've stopped bothering trying to keep up with when you've already forgotten their name. so many big attempts at emotional payoffs that borrow all their weight from films that had nothing to do with this vapid charade, like your parents couldn't afford the real star wars toys so got you some off brand ones and expect you to not tell the difference.

the fact the ending apes the victory shots of ROTJ to the point where ewoks are celebrating and pointing at the explosions in the sky is a masterful comment on just what a pointless waste of time this whole sorry endeavor was. the line "if we fail, it will have all been for nothing" is a recurring mantra in the film and it proves prophetic on a meta level.

i did probably enjoy it more than the last two if purely because of the massively OTT B movie moments or plot contrivances that genuinely had me laughing out loud, like ed wood meets ancient aliens.

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Post by: Tasty on December 18, 2019, 11:27:13 PM
:rejoice Cindi we eating :jeb
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 18, 2019, 11:28:24 PM
i've seen worse films, but i'm not sure i've seen a more desperate one. it's like a frantic loser's last plea when getting dumped by someone way out of their league, begging them to remember all the good times and how everything they've got means soo much.

the clive barker/hammer horror palps is a proper laugh though, chewing every possible bit of scenery while being zipped around by his massive pneumatic mobilty arm. the characters talking around leia like she's a mostly mute puppet and interpreting every throwaway line they had left on the cutting room floor as something massively significant is also a right rib tickler if utterly morbid at the same time.

reading the plot points and leaks doesn't quite convey the smash cut reductiveness of how the whole farce comes together. something will be suggested, executed and already forgotten about by the time you've even gauged whats supposed to be happening. characters introduced and then 15 minutes later you're supposed to invested in their relationship with the boring protaganists or plot that you've stopped bothering trying to keep up with while you've already forgotten their name. so many big attempts at emotional payoffs that borrow all their weight from films that had nothing to do with this vapid charade, like your parents couldn't afford the real star wars toys so got you some off brand ones and expect you to not tell the difference.

the fact the ending apes the victory shots of ROTJ to the point where ewoks are pointing at the explosions in the sky celebrating is a masterful comment on just what a pointless waste of time this whole sorry endeavour was.

i did probably enjoy it more than the last two if purely because of the massively OTT B movie moments or plot contrivances that genuinely had me laughing out loud, like ed wood meets ancient aliens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxU2eqZtYmc
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Post by: Uncle on December 18, 2019, 11:39:31 PM
So really the sequel trilogy kills the theme that Anakin was the chosen one, because clearly he did not bring balance to the force, nor did his progeny.



Palpatine is the true chosen one.


:jeb

he didn't in the original trilogy either

it ends with zero living sith and exactly one jedi, which is not a balanced force, light side has its thumb on the scale
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Post by: headwalk on December 18, 2019, 11:41:35 PM
at least we'll be spared the usual nit picking over plot holes. it dispenses so completely and shamelessly with any concept of narrative coherecy or believable world building that there would be no point.
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 18, 2019, 11:44:26 PM
the only 7/8/9 trilogy for me is final fantasy 7/8/9, they even pulled off the "nostalgic fan service after a divisive weird middle installment" thing better than this apparently does

I think maybe franchises like these need to lean into the beefs and fanbase fractures, it would be cool if they, like, announced that rian johnson would be writing and directing his own alternative version of ep9, just for the fan forum drama quotient. teasing that he is apparently going to be recreating his version of ff versus xiii as a kingdom hearts game (???) shows tetsuya nomura is perhaps again ahead of the curve here 
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Post by: Uncle on December 18, 2019, 11:45:51 PM
at least we'll be spared the usual nit picking over plot holes. it dispenses so completely and shamelessly with any concept of narrative coherecy or believable world building that there would be no point.

yeah that's the one thing I haven't read a single complaint about, that there are no TLJ style massive logic holes, partly because everyone explains everything out loud and why it's happening
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Post by: headwalk on December 18, 2019, 11:54:11 PM
it's more like being told a story by your kid. you don't grill your 8 year old on why the evil man who was thrown down a hole into the exploding core of a space station is still alive and able to build a giant fleet of spaceships on his own from his secret planet, because you'd be an idiot to expect a proper answer.
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Post by: daemon on December 19, 2019, 03:18:07 AM
On the bright side, Mandalorian episode was pretty good.
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Post by: Himu on December 19, 2019, 03:38:53 AM
:rejoice Cindi we eating :jeb

Team Fuckery is IN

:rejoice :jeb
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Post by: Kara on December 19, 2019, 05:03:33 AM
On the bright side, Mandalorian episode was pretty good.

The return of Death Troopers. :lawd (Rogue One da gawd)

Shitty ass cliffhanger ending. :goty
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Post by: Trent Dole on December 19, 2019, 05:37:36 AM
Gotta leave an opening for a fourth trilogy. :money
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Post by: Ghoul on December 19, 2019, 05:46:04 AM
sooo how bad was it?
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Post by: daemon on December 19, 2019, 06:01:23 AM
On the bright side, Mandalorian episode was pretty good.

The return of Death Troopers. :lawd (Rogue One da gawd)

Shitty ass cliffhanger ending. :goty

I actually liked the cliffhanger considering the next episode is the finale.
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Post by: thisismyusername on December 19, 2019, 08:43:46 AM
Easy way to fix this- what did JJ do with Star Trek?  He made it take place in an alternate timeline. 

So just make a new trilogy that ignores this last one and retcons it to have taken place in an alternate universe or some shit.  SW nerds love that extended universe stuff, right?  Go with that.

If they truly want to retcon it, just fucking break the entire thing from Force Awakens out. Everything after Episode 6/Return of the Jedi is non-canon: Going forward, the "sequel sequel Trilogy" is 60+ years into the future, thereby older actors (Luke, Han, Leia, Palpatine) can't be used because they're FUCKING DEAD (and no, using CGI for their force ghosts or whatever is dumb, don't do that shit).

Gives them good reasons to have the empire/resistance shit happen again without it being #TOOSOON'd.

The whole Sequel Trilogy was dumb from the get-go because the time-line was way too soon. I get they wanted the big three back, but in that case they should've had the three movies build up to a (Star) "War"(s). Which would've made for boring watching, but at least it'd make more sense than "wait, how the fuck is Death Star 2.0 happening in like a year after the wars' end?"
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Post by: Tasty on December 19, 2019, 09:17:20 AM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://i.imgur.com/hZV5Ew3.png)
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Post by: thisismyusername on December 19, 2019, 09:22:43 AM
:phil
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Post by: BlueTsunami on December 19, 2019, 09:23:18 AM
Fuckin pre-ordered IMAX tickets for this shit   :-\

A whole trilogy created and it's probably going to fade from memory as quickly as any other modern Disney film
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Post by: daemon on December 19, 2019, 09:25:15 AM
Fuckin pre-ordered IMAX tickets for this shit   :-\

A whole trilogy created and it's probably going to fade from memory as quickly as any other modern Disney film

And in this case, "what can I say except you're welcome!"

I'm so glad I don't remember most of these two movies. Alien titty milk will never fade away, sadly
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Post by: ToxicAdam on December 19, 2019, 09:25:42 AM
Maybe it wasn't about the movies, but the toys we bought along the way.

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Post by: Ghoul on December 19, 2019, 09:47:53 AM
can't even look at my $300 kylo lightsaber just feels wrong :(

(I don't own one, I'm an adult.)
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 19, 2019, 10:05:01 AM
can't even look at my $300 kylo lightsaber just feels wrong :(

(I don't own one, I'm an adult.)

I mean, in this economy you just have to rent.
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Post by: Don Rumata on December 19, 2019, 10:17:03 AM
can't even look at my $300 kylo lightsaber just feels wrong :(

(I don't own one, I'm an adult.)

I mean, in this economy you just have to rent.
He probably borrows his mom's.  :lol
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Post by: Uncle on December 19, 2019, 11:05:05 AM
I have an acquaintance who unabashedly loves and defends TLJ to the consternation of all

I should buy 50 clearance priced star wars figurines for 50 cents and passive aggressively mail them to him one by one
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 19, 2019, 11:14:17 AM
can't even look at my $300 kylo lightsaber just feels wrong :(

(I don't own one, I'm an adult.)

I mean, in this economy you just have to rent.

I love this joke. 
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 19, 2019, 12:41:38 PM
Mando was good.
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Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 19, 2019, 01:41:07 PM
Is there a cam yet?  :shh :smug
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Post by: Tuckers Law on December 19, 2019, 02:40:57 PM
I was trying to look up how Hobbly Bobberts (PBUH) has been reacting to the new Star War and came across this article.
https://www.thewrap.com/rae-dawn-chong-spike-lee-soul-man/

Rae has me convinced to give it another shot, especially since I’ve never actually watched Soul Man all the way through, having only seen the movie piecemail when it used to be a Comedy Central staple.  I bet it’s better than the Star War too.
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Post by: Nintex on December 19, 2019, 03:11:31 PM
I was looking at wookiepedia to see what it had to say about my boi Emperor Sheevy Deevy and came across an article about Operation: Cinder that explains that before the battle of endor, Palpers had a vision of Snoke taking over the empire and began setting forth a plan to start building/amassing weapons in the outer rim or whatever the fuck its called in Star Wars lore because he felt the empire should die if he were to die and had plans to make sure the empire was destroyed after he died by getting a small group of empire nerds to like...kill everyone to make it seem like the empire was truly dead and gone but in reality they would go to the outer limits so they could....rebuild the empire. The plan was for his group to lure both the remaining empire nerds and the rebels to Jakku, which would be blown up by dumping a bunch of sith artifacts into a telescope or something that would blow up the planet and kill all the remaining people, then his group would escape to the suburbs and rebuild the empire. That he wanted everyone to think was dead because he was dead. For reason.

But you know, he wasn't dead. So.

:What


:beli

:lol



This is canon, btw.
You can play the story of Operation Cinder in EA Star Wars Battlefront II.
I'm playing it right now, it's a fun little action romp but the story makes no sense.
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Post by: toku on December 19, 2019, 03:21:20 PM
https://twitter.com/xBrandonGPx/status/1206634795842883584
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Post by: Boredfrom on December 19, 2019, 03:22:58 PM
Remember when Grievius was a OP Jedi killer and in Revenge of the Sith he got killed by a blaster while coughing?

This was when Lucas was in charge. Now imagine a giant corporation that could care even less than him.
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Post by: Ghoul on December 19, 2019, 04:40:52 PM
Mando was good this week, liked the cliffhanger. Enjoyed the “son of a bitch I’m in” moments.
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Post by: Himu on December 19, 2019, 04:45:56 PM
https://twitter.com/xBrandonGPx/status/1206634795842883584

:dead

I  have to see AOTC when I'm high as balls, man. I've only seen it once.
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Post by: Nintex on December 19, 2019, 04:49:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPvEJjNNPp4

The video from the Twitter clip
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Post by: NekoFever on December 19, 2019, 05:39:06 PM
I just saw it. It wasn’t prequel bad but it’s aggressively mediocre for most of the running time. It’s got that bad video game plotting of JJ films where going anywhere requires a chase sequence that will always conveniently end right at their intended destination.

But then the final act is like...

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/9068a2db8161668bdc05faff4df793eb/tenor.gif?itemid=4514296)

One bit that’s going to trigger a lot of TLJ fans:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Rey goes to Ach-To and tries to throw away the Skywalker lightsaber. Luke’s Force ghost appears and catches it, and admonishes her that such a weapon deserves more respect than that.
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Post by: Uncle on December 19, 2019, 08:04:56 PM
One bit that’s going to trigger a lot of TLJ fans:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Rey goes to Ach-To and tries to throw away the Skywalker lightsaber. Luke’s Force ghost appears and catches it, and admonishes her that such a weapon deserves more respect than that.
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this is awesome because it's both shitting on TLJ and completely in character with how that movie left him at the end of his arc
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Post by: Uncle on December 19, 2019, 08:09:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPvEJjNNPp4

The video from the Twitter clip

This video:

Quote
This title crawl explains that Coruscant was attacked and Palpatine was kidnapped!...off screen.  What the fuck, man?  Now yeah, you're supposed to watch the Clone Wars cartoon to see that stuff happening, and it's really cool in that show.  But come the fuck on dude, if I'm showing someone these movies for the first time this is the dumbest shit ever.  This incredibly significant event is just not shown at all.  Honestly, that would've been a really fucking cool intro to the movie.

 :gladbron

there are now two completely separate instances of really significant events involving Palpatine being stated in the opening text crawl, but left out of the movie because it occurred off-screen in spinoff entertainment media (https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/ecr8em/from_the_title_crawl_the_dead_speak_the_galaxy/)
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Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2019, 08:37:30 PM
it's more like being told a story by your kid. you don't grill your 8 year old on why the evil man who was thrown down a hole into the exploding core of a space station is still alive and able to build a giant fleet of spaceships on his own from his secret planet, because you'd be an idiot to expect a proper answer.
THE HELL I DON'T :rage
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Post by: Himu on December 19, 2019, 08:44:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPvEJjNNPp4

The video from the Twitter clip

This video:

Quote
This title crawl explains that Coruscant was attacked and Palpatine was kidnapped!...off screen.  What the fuck, man?  Now yeah, you're supposed to watch the Clone Wars cartoon to see that stuff happening, and it's really cool in that show.  But come the fuck on dude, if I'm showing someone these movies for the first time this is the dumbest shit ever.  This incredibly significant event is just not shown at all.  Honestly, that would've been a really fucking cool intro to the movie.

 :gladbron

there are now two completely separate instances of really significant events involving Palpatine being stated in the opening text crawl, but left out of the movie because it occurred off-screen in spinoff entertainment media (https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/ecr8em/from_the_title_crawl_the_dead_speak_the_galaxy/)

Ah yes. Star wars excluding stories to tell them off screen. Tell tale sign of a franchise that isn't crap.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2019, 08:54:31 PM
For The Last Jedi, Disney wouldn't let the actors have the entire script and they had to return the pages at the end of the day for them, each one was watermarked, and each script had an assigned staffer. They used umbrellas and hoods to obscure any possible drones flying over to take script photos.

For The Rise of the Skywalker, John Boyega leaves a script under a hotel room bed and nobody cares and it becomes part of the PR tour, the entire plot is leaked months in advance and the defense that it's not the plot is "nobody could make something this stupid and get away with it", and then the day of the reviews Disney takes hours to get around to striking down all the cam clips all over the Internet including whole ten minute clips sitting on the front of YouTube/Reddit/Twitter/etc. Cams appear to have been shot fairly openly at press screenings.

 :salute
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Post by: Occam on December 19, 2019, 09:26:36 PM
53
https://www.metacritic.com/movie/star-wars-episode-ix---the-rise-of-skywalker

That's glorious. Glad I wasn't suckered into giving Disney any more money.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2019, 09:29:30 PM
The Emperor stuff is all from the EU basically. It's almost literally how he came back then only shortened up to fit into the first ten minutes of a single movie rather than multiple story-arcs.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2019, 09:36:31 PM
I thank JJ for helping me to learn why people were apparently mad about The Last Jedi this entire time though, I thought it was just because it was colored beautifully yet as boring and as stupid as TFA, but apparently it was "offensive" and "subversive" because of a line I assumed was Kylo just trying to piss off Rey that everyone took as some kind of BIG LORE THAT BROKE NEW GROUND. To which JJ returned and said "nah" and everyone jointly hates him for!
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Post by: bluemax on December 19, 2019, 11:20:12 PM
I wonder if they'll back out of the Obi Wan series like they dropped extra films after TLJ response.

Ironically, Obi Wan might really be their only hope to salvage the franchise :lol

The Mandalorian is doing pretty good, isn’t it? And Star Wars Fallen Order seems to be way more beloved than Battlefront.

They may trying just focusing in transition Eras rather than deal with the film timelines.

The Mandalorian sucks but people love baby Yoda.

Revenge Of The Sith is at 80% on there??  :lol :rofl

That's some garbo shit.

A lot of non nerds really liked it. Especially film critic types with no affinity for the old movies.

https://twitter.com/xBrandonGPx/status/1206634795842883584

Nicholas Winding Refn was inspired by this for an episode of Too Old To Die Young.
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Post by: Boredfrom on December 19, 2019, 11:40:03 PM
The Emperor stuff is all from the EU basically. It's almost literally how he came back then only shortened up to fit into the first ten minutes of a single movie rather than multiple story-arcs.

But at least it ended with a lightsaber fight with Luke and a rejuvenated Palpatine. Feels more fitting than Rey going full shonen hero.
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Post by: Tasty on December 19, 2019, 11:49:02 PM
The Emperor stuff is all from the EU basically. It's almost literally how he came back then only shortened up to fit into the first ten minutes of a single movie rather than multiple story-arcs.

Eh Palps in the EU was usually a clone right? Or that's what I remember. And this one very (almost conspicuously) explicitly isn't.
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Post by: Akala on December 19, 2019, 11:49:56 PM
I got pushed into seeing it tonight and while there were more than a few eyeroll/LOL moments, it was better than the previous two or IMO anything in the prequels. Full disclosure I went in buzzing and had sea-level expectations.

I wouldn't call it good, but would put it just behind Jedi/R1 in nerdscale.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2019, 12:15:14 AM
Eh Palps in the EU was usually a clone right? Or that's what I remember. And this one very (almost conspicuously) explicitly isn't.
JJ doesn't seem like a big "text reader" if you know what I mean. I'd have to look at Dark Empire again since it's been decade plus but the shots of Kylo entering the darkened room of clones felt like a Snyder panel revisualization.

Now I won't suggest that Palpatine's half corpse on the arm was JJ trying to one-up the sexy reveal of the Borg Queen but I'm going to make that head canon and no one can stop me.
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Post by: team filler on December 20, 2019, 12:33:59 AM
a mute maul would have been p cool
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Post by: NekoFever on December 20, 2019, 03:01:02 AM
There’s a part where they land on one of the three desert planets in this movie, walk around a rock, and are surprised to see a huge festival going on (the shot is in one of the trailers). It’s like, how did you miss that when you flew in and landed the Falcon about 100 feet away?

Also hyperdrive has gone from something that ain’t like dusting crops, boy, to Poe randomly flipping a switch in the Falcon repeatedly while inside buildings and coming out in a forest or bearing down on a giant space monster.

Bearing in mind that we established lightspeed ramming in the last one (something else that’s referred to in dialogue and shot down as a stupid idea for the TLJ fans), they literally lightspeed the Falcon through a wall to escape in this one.

The more I think about it the more I stand by the bad video game comparison. It’s extremely stupid.
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Post by: Kara on December 20, 2019, 03:53:45 AM
Remember when Grievius was a OP Jedi killer and in Revenge of the Sith he got killed by a blaster while coughing?

This was when Lucas was in charge. Now imagine a giant corporation that could care even less than him.

He isn't even that badass in Clone Wars. :lol
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Post by: TVC15 on December 20, 2019, 04:44:37 AM
What a flopza. I bet we see Disney try to remake A New Hope within the next decade in an attempt to salvage the franchise.
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Post by: daemon on December 20, 2019, 04:46:16 AM
Remember when Grievius was a OP Jedi killer and in Revenge of the Sith he got killed by a blaster while coughing?

This was when Lucas was in charge. Now imagine a giant corporation that could care even less than him.

What happened was getting force crushed by Windu on the last episode of the cartoon clone wars, giving him that cough and handicapping him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0gnwyYRHu8

Also, i'd like to see how you make a 4 arms spinning crazy cyborg work in the big screen when the one fighting him is fighting an invisible enemy. If they both were CG with current technology, it could work I guess.

The error was making an enemy that couldn't be a greenscreen person alone, making a fluid fight with a martial arts specialist.
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Post by: Nintex on December 20, 2019, 05:47:12 AM
What a flopza. I bet we see Disney try to remake A New Hope within the next decade in an attempt to salvage the franchise.
The future of Star Wars is TV series, games, toys, licensing and smaller scale "Story" movies like we had with Solo and Rogue One.
I think the time to pretend it was about the movies is officially over and unlike the prequel-era, you can now have Star Wars products stand on their own without the need of a movie to back them up.

The reception to the Mandalorian is mostly positive, The Fallen Order also did well. EA even salvaged Star Wars Battlefront II after hundreds of updates.
The end of the Skywalker Saga is also the end of the movie trilogies.
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Post by: shosta on December 20, 2019, 06:41:44 AM
Worst movie I've seen in my life.
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Post by: Momo on December 20, 2019, 06:55:10 AM
Worst movie I've seen in my life.
after some of the stuff we watched together :lol
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Post by: Tasty on December 20, 2019, 07:31:13 AM
What a flopza. I bet we see Disney try to remake A New Hope within the next decade in an attempt to salvage the franchise.

You really think they'd make TFA again?
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Post by: ToxicAdam on December 20, 2019, 09:32:44 AM
People would totally watch an animated re-imagining of A New Hope.

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Post by: Tasty on December 20, 2019, 09:45:56 AM
People would totally watch an animated re-imagining of A New Hope.

Disney's been dabbling.

https://www.polygon.com/2018/11/30/18119905/star-wars-trilogy-animated-shorts

(https://i.imgur.com/SAlrHGO.png)
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Post by: bork on December 20, 2019, 10:07:06 AM
Get some big-name animu studio or Pixar to do it and get that money.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iDUW4KSV-2I/UKvU_yAcMKI/AAAAAAAAJ50/L-Tii8nIPFQ/s320/tumblr_m5ufkfbhIa1qd6zfj.gif)
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Post by: Boredfrom on December 20, 2019, 11:00:39 AM
Remember when Grievius was a OP Jedi killer and in Revenge of the Sith he got killed by a blaster while coughing?

This was when Lucas was in charge. Now imagine a giant corporation that could care even less than him.

He isn't even that badass in Clone Wars. :lol

The 2D or the 3D series?  I have not seen the 3D series.
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Post by: toku on December 20, 2019, 11:06:01 AM
https://twitter.com/Worthikids/status/1207871672029712390
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Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2019, 12:09:05 PM
https://twitter.com/JennyENicholson/status/1207933233205170182
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Post by: Tasty on December 20, 2019, 12:14:37 PM
https://twitter.com/JennyENicholson/status/1207963528029601793
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on December 20, 2019, 12:54:03 PM
Saw the movie. Really the issues with it aren’t so much the movie but the fact that Kathleen Kennedy can’t plan a trilogy worth shit. She essentially gave the team a bunch of threads and was like “tie these all off in one movie” of course it’s gonna fail.  Her ass should be soo fired
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Post by: Tasty on December 20, 2019, 01:19:11 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/G2m6qnv.jpg)
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Post by: Nintex on December 20, 2019, 01:24:13 PM
Writers:

TFA
Michael Arndt
Lawrence Kasdan
J.J. Abrams

TLJ
Rian Johnson

TROS
Derek Connolly
Colin Trevorrow   
Chris Terrio
J.J. Abrams


Something tells me that if Michael Arndt and Lawrence Kasdan had written all 3 films it wouldn't have been such a m e s s .
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Post by: Freyj on December 20, 2019, 02:07:29 PM
I would classify this as a bigger messier dumber Jedi that replaces Ewoking with fetch questing that is whatever as flashy set pieces that work ok if you turn your brain off and treat it like the theme park attraction that it is.

It’s everything you would expect of a production by JJ Abrams combined with the monumental mess of trying to figure out what to do with the final film in a trilogy where the second film in the trilogy took an enormous shit, shrugged and fucked off into the sunset.

And yeah, you’re the corporation that owns 60% of the world take a few days to put some people in charge of figuring out what you’re going to do with all three (3!) films in the next trilogy of a four billion dollar franchise. I really don’t consider this any better or worse than 90-95% of the Marvel movies that manage a RT of 94% outside of the fact that someone’s at the helm of the Marvel shit.
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Post by: Freyj on December 20, 2019, 02:13:13 PM
Also maybe put the brakes on the whole production when you literally pass the baton to the next guy and his first reaction is to look at the baton, fart and chuck it into the sea.

Hard to understate the damage TLJ did to a seemingly unstoppable money printing machine.
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Post by: Freyj on December 20, 2019, 02:16:07 PM
How do you know he farted tho

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/KlNKHu6JYgk2k/giphy.gif)
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Post by: Nintex on December 20, 2019, 02:30:32 PM
Poor JJ. After all the pieces he put into place at the end of TFA, Johnson left him with 12 rebels, an awkward love angle that made no sense and characters with no missions or motivations.
I wonder if you can just skip TLJ and do TFA -> TROS and not notice any difference.
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Post by: Kara on December 20, 2019, 02:45:42 PM
The Force Awakens killed off the entire New Republic in a scene that had no weight whatsoever and saddled us with some dumbass apolitical foco outfit to #resist a healthy Imperial remnant. :brain

s2g that 2.5 hour Zeta Gundam episode--and the ensuing Kulturkampf---broke y'all's brains.
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Post by: Tasty on December 20, 2019, 02:46:27 PM
I wonder if you can just skip TLJ and do TFA -> TROS and not notice any difference.

Mark Kermode seemed to imply you could in his review. :lol

Also "Poor JJ" LMAO dude has conglomerates throwing cash at him left and right no matter how fractured his attention has been. Universal basically had to sit and spin while he fucked around with Star Wars since they didn't have the clout/balls to tell him to fuck off after he literally defected to a competitor in violation of a deal he signed.

Same shit repeated with the Game of Thrones wastoids going with who offered the biggest handout (first it was Disney, but Netflix offered more soooo goodbye Mouse.)
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Post by: Akala on December 20, 2019, 03:25:30 PM
why didn't they just (have droids) light speed kamikaze the final order fleet tho :hmm

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Post by: Huff on December 20, 2019, 03:38:49 PM
Saw the movie. Really the issues with it aren’t so much the movie but the fact that Kathleen Kennedy can’t plan a trilogy worth shit. She essentially gave the team a bunch of threads and was like “tie these all off in one movie” of course it’s gonna fail.  Her ass should be soo fired

Yeah I mostly agree with this. How do you successfully bring together a trilogy that was also written randomly and then also find closure in a nine movie series.

There were some decent parts and some LOLworthy parts.

This trilogy was just as bad as the prequels but also ruins the characters of the first 3 movies. None of the cast is all that likable. Just meh all around
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Post by: daemon on December 20, 2019, 03:44:48 PM
I see people saying Ryan took risks and JJ played it safe.

if by taking risks we talk about sidetracking in a casino not to find anything worthwhile (unlike pod racers and uh... the fucking chosen one), destroying the lore of how hyperspeed works (at least make up the excuse it was a prototype ship and they found a way to make it resist a certain amount of time within the jump to become a weapon), killing a villain that was never compelling to begin with (Why the fuck does his name sound like it's a fucking pillow brand, at least be Darth Syphilis or Darth Krokodil), supposedly killing Leia (a great scene of how Kylo tries to be something he's not and it happens anyways), but only to have her fucking "Poochie back to home planet" back into the ship... okay, RISKS.
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Post by: Himu on December 20, 2019, 03:56:08 PM
RISK

backtracking and going back to the status quo

wow how risky

CHANGE MY MIND: Kylo and Rey should have teamed up in TLJ to become a neutral, grey faction and the final movie would be about their downfall.
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Post by: Himu on December 20, 2019, 04:02:24 PM
i really want to watch them force fuck

can kylo edge by using the force?
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Post by: Uncle on December 20, 2019, 04:03:26 PM
I wonder if you can just skip TLJ and do TFA -> TROS and not notice any difference.

rey goes to hand a lightsaber to luke and then immediately afterward leia is training her instead because apparently luke died somehow

rey appears to know this pilot guy even though she's never met him before

all of a sudden another girl is traveling with the party but oddly given nothing to do
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Post by: Tasty on December 20, 2019, 04:03:37 PM
Kylo and Rey should have had a Force fuck session in TLJ and the final movie would be about their weird tantric intergalactic edging sessions.

That's kinda how Buffy season 8 ended and it was a ridiculous mess then too. :lol

(https://i.imgur.com/zp1MGvd.jpg)
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Post by: Uncle on December 20, 2019, 04:13:49 PM
I see people saying Ryan took risks and JJ played it safe.

if by taking risks we talk about sidetracking in a casino not to find anything worthwhile (unlike pod racers and uh... the fucking chosen one), destroying the lore of how hyperspeed works (at least make up the excuse it was a prototype ship and they found a way to make it resist a certain amount of time within the jump to become a weapon), killing a villain that was never compelling to begin with (Why the fuck does his name sound like it's a fucking pillow brand, at least be Darth Syphilis or Darth Krokodil), supposedly killing Leia (a great scene of how Kylo tries to be something he's not and it happens anyways), but only to have her fucking "Poochie back to home planet" back into the ship... okay, RISKS.

if rise of skywalker is a critical bomb and if nothing else divisive among fans, that doesn't sound like he played it safe to me

if it was safe it would've succeeded

But Skywalker sounds like it not only yeets TLJ, but also makes all 8 movies (or 10, I guess) that came before it pointless.

oh fuck it's mass effect 3  :existential
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Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 20, 2019, 04:31:04 PM
If there’s a streaming link to a cam any one knows of dm me bb  :-*
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Post by: Himu on December 20, 2019, 04:32:13 PM
the sequel trilogy may suffer from a lack of horny, but this thread sure doesn't.


I took full body pics today. In the nude of course to properly capture my cuts and leg muscles as well. Should I post them?

YES
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Post by: thisismyusername on December 20, 2019, 04:34:26 PM
If there’s a streaming link to a cam any one knows of dm me bb  :-*


I've got a streaming cam for you, right here. :phil

Just wait for the camrip to hit torrents, dude.

the sequel trilogy may suffer from a lack of horny, but this thread sure doesn't.


I took full body pics today. In the nude of course to properly capture my cuts and leg muscles as well. Should I post them?

If you're showing hog, PM it so I don't miss it like I missed Rah's. :doge As EvilBore's resident Dickimon Master(TM) ya'll should know this by now.
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Post by: Freyj on December 20, 2019, 04:36:57 PM
today is a real bad day on my TL for the people who've spent the last two years defining their personalities by being outraged @ other people's reaction to TLJ
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Post by: Nintex on December 20, 2019, 04:39:38 PM
Watched EP4 of the Mandalorian.

Jon Favreau gets it. Hell, his rendition of Star Wars with all the rituals, myths, factions and baby yoda might be even better then what Lucas originally came up with.
He took the series in interesting new directions while staying true to the source material.

Maybe he should be the Kevin Feige of Star Wars, in any case yeet Kathleen into a bottomless pit of unemployment.  :phil
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Post by: thisismyusername on December 20, 2019, 04:40:49 PM
I wonder if you can just skip TLJ and do TFA -> TROS and not notice any difference.

The only thing you miss is Luke's "death" (lol). TLJ is a fucking insult to viewers, Star Wars fan or not (<---I'm in this camp).

It's fucking plot points beyond Rey's training and her meeting Kylo could safely be yeet'd out the airlock and nothing would change.

"BUT PEOPLE HATE ROSE BECAUSE  SHE'S UGLY!"

Nah, I "hate"/dislike Rose because she added nothing to the movie. You could yeet her out of the movie and have Poe there for FinnPoe/Stormpilot shippers and the fucking casino heist shit would've been just as useless.

But hey, it gave us Leia using the Force to survive the vacuum of Space, so it's not ALL bad...
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Post by: Nintex on December 20, 2019, 04:54:14 PM
I wonder if you can just skip TLJ and do TFA -> TROS and not notice any difference.

The only thing you miss is Luke's "death" (lol). TLJ is a fucking insult to viewers, Star Wars fan or not (<---I'm in this camp).

It's fucking plot points beyond Rey's training and her meeting Kylo could safely be yeet'd out the airlock and nothing would change.

"BUT PEOPLE HATE ROSE BECAUSE  SHE'S UGLY!"

Nah, I "hate"/dislike Rose because she added nothing to the movie. You could yeet her out of the movie and have Poe there for FinnPoe/Stormpilot shippers and the fucking casino heist shit would've been just as useless.

But hey, it gave us Leia using the Force to survive the vacuum of Space, so it's not ALL bad...
Rey wasn't even trained. That's the weird shit about it. Luke refused to properly train her so she just went ahead and did her morning routines herself.
Even within the confinements of the movie itself the events that happen don't make any fucking sense.

None of the casting choices make sense either. You cast Benicio Del Toro, possibly the best choice for a bounty hunter character but you turn him into a stuttering code breaker instead, a role easily filled by I dunno, Simon Pegg?
It's like no one told Rian he was working on a Star Wars movie and they CG edited the Star Wars things in later
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Post by: thisismyusername on December 20, 2019, 04:59:04 PM
Also maybe put the brakes on the whole production when you literally pass the baton to the next guy and his first reaction is to look at the baton, fart and chuck it into the sea.

Hard to understate the damage TLJ did to a seemingly unstoppable money printing machine.

B-B-But Rain On My Johnson made KNIVES OUT!!!!!!!!!!!

Proof that indie directors are good for their art-house films, but not for blockbuster films.
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Post by: thisismyusername on December 20, 2019, 05:10:02 PM
Looper was pretty cool. Star Wars is just a void sucking up any sort of creativity. Where "let the past die" gets reactions of "wow so profound and new"

I'm not saying he's a bad director (unlike Refn, fuck him. I hate all the films I've seen bar 1-2 from him), just he's not fit for a multi-billion dollar franchise.

That's the thing: A lot of director's want to do their own things but movie houses (Disney, Sony, et. al.) hire them to do these multi-billion dollar franchises before they can do their own shit.

It's why Cappola or however his name is spelled is pissed: The industry is so risk adverse now a days that it's IMPOSSIBLE for something like Knives Out to happen unless you do a Last Jedi.

Johnson just did it and clearly showed his ass as a "I didn't want to do this but was forced to do it so I could do my art-house project" shit.
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Post by: thisismyusername on December 20, 2019, 05:19:51 PM
I won't post hog pics but I might post censored pics idk

I told you to post hog in PM, that'll avoid the Rah ban. :goty2

Coward. :goty2 :goty :goty2 :p
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Post by: Tasty on December 20, 2019, 05:21:50 PM
In the original movies luke did a couple pushups in the swamp and that allowed him to compete on equal terms with one of the strongest force user of all time so?

He got his ass handed to him at the end of the movie just like Yoda predicted :confused

And he got his ass handed to him a bunch of times :confused
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Post by: thisismyusername on December 20, 2019, 05:28:42 PM
They can't do long training montages, Esch. :comeon

Like, if Star Wars 1 had them going to Jedi Training, 2 was still training, and 3 was them kicking ass of the big-bad down the block, while that would make narrative sense it wouldn't be "fun" films to watch.

Just like the empire getting set up for a war situation should be more drawn out but isn't because "muh time."
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Post by: Tasty on December 20, 2019, 05:30:57 PM
Three weeks of swamp pushups saved him from someone who killed jedis who trained their entire life for fun

Skywalker lineage :jeb

Also Vader was holding back on Luke because he knew the truth and Luke didn't yet.
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Post by: MMaRsu on December 20, 2019, 05:58:38 PM
dafuq
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Post by: thisismyusername on December 20, 2019, 06:19:47 PM
no hog

COWARD!!!!!!!!!

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:nsfw


Limited time only

OwO Pogi annihilated.

What is your training regimen, Stro?
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Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2019, 07:24:46 PM
Bold of you to dismiss the gravest political event since Gamergate.
SINCE? IT'S ALL CONNECTED, GAMERGATE WAS THE TEST RUN FOR TRUMP WHICH WAS THE TEST RUN FOR ATTACKING THE LAST JEDI, WATCH THIS THREE HOUR VIDEO AND YOU'LL UNDERSTAND,
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Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2019, 07:36:58 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/SqzhaD3.png)
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Post by: Himu on December 20, 2019, 07:44:22 PM
In the original movies luke did a couple pushups in the swamp and that allowed him to compete on equal terms with one of the strongest force user of all time so?

These movies are fucking stupid

Except he got his shit wrecked?
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Post by: Kara on December 20, 2019, 07:48:56 PM
My point is not about montages or training but that the idea of any logic needed for kids movies about space wizards is ridiculous

https://youtu.be/yCqH0r0xPLQ
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Post by: Kara on December 20, 2019, 07:50:12 PM
Freddie Prinze Jr. having a banging bikini bod and a better grasp of Star Wars lore than flabby n sick nerdlings. :lawd
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Post by: Himu on December 20, 2019, 07:58:33 PM
My point is not about montages or training but that the idea of any logic needed for kids movies about space wizards is ridiculous

I hate arguments like this. It's a good way to end any discussion. I mean you might as well just close thread. After all, they're just kids movies.

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Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2019, 08:03:28 PM
The Force is racist, it didn't tell Mace Windu to grab a second lightsaber.
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Post by: Nintex on December 20, 2019, 08:42:55 PM
In the original movies luke did a couple pushups in the swamp and that allowed him to compete on equal terms with one of the strongest force user of all time so?

These movies are fucking stupid
True, but it's more about sending a clear message: "Yes, Yoda is training Luke", such a message was never conveyed in The Last Jedi.
Same with other things that just 'happened' for no reason. For example, to get on the Star Destroyer they need a code breaker to get them in that ultimately betrays them.
To get back to the planet... the Millennium Falcon with Rey just appears. How did Rey get from killing Snoke in a capital ship to escaping back to the planet in the Millennium Falcon which she departed with a small escape pod because it was the only way to bypass the security.

The same with Finn and the AT AT's. We see him crashing behind enemy lines. But just before the AT AT's arrive and Luke has the stand off he manages to slip back into the Rebel base.... how?
He has no ship because he crashed it and there's nothing but salt and he can't walk past the AT AT's blasting Luke right in front of the door.
Your logistics can be dumb and sci-fi like, such as hyper drives or even time travel and whatnot but they need to make 'sense' in the fiction of the film.
It's like if in Back to the Future, Marty would be able to travel through time without a time machine such as the Delorean and just randomly appear somewhere.

In the old movies we at least see Luke pull his ship from the swamp with the Force Powers or some line of dialogue indicates how a character has traveled from point A to B.
The prequel trilogy for all its faults at least made a point of making sure we knew how pieces moved across the chessboard of the galaxy and how characters got from point A to point B. 
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Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2019, 08:43:24 PM
haven't seen robot chicken in forever but saw this tweeted lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxL8bVJhXCM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV36W9U8Ec4
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Post by: Boredfrom on December 20, 2019, 09:06:57 PM
I blame Tumblr:

https://mobile.twitter.com/rizeofkylo/status/1208008232461049858

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Post by: Kara on December 20, 2019, 09:07:19 PM
:lol @ freddie throwing out the gray jedi concept. i agree but i still like a few of the characters associated with it. kyle katarn :mynicca

I always bust up when he goes, "This is about information, not affirmation." Pretty boy out here stuffing nerds in lockers about nerd shit. :lol
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Post by: Nintex on December 20, 2019, 09:11:45 PM
remember when luke skywalker went from a guy who flew around his uncle's floating box chevy to the best pilot in the rebel fleet the first time he flew an x wing
Except that if you look back the movie, he wasn't the best pilot.

The other pilots distracted the Tie's, then he was saved from Vader's Tie by the Falcon after nearly being shot down and ultimately guided the torpedo with the Force.
It was established pretty early on that Han Solo and Wedge Antilles were the best pilots.
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Post by: Boredfrom on December 20, 2019, 09:14:05 PM
I blame Tumblr:

https://mobile.twitter.com/rizeofkylo/status/1208008232461049858

LMAOOOOOOOOOO this is the best shit I've seen all week.

Mad respect to Resetera’s Redlettermedia community for posting this.  :salute
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Post by: Uncle on December 20, 2019, 09:15:51 PM
My point is not about montages or training but that the idea of any logic needed for kids movies about space wizards is ridiculous

I hate arguments like this. It's a good way to end any discussion. I mean you might as well just close thread. After all, they're just kids movies.

I'm not even sure what the point trying to be made is

is it supposed to be an argument that every bad thing in the movie is dismissable and so it's actually good?

like why can't you just say that about phantom menace

oh it's for kids oh ha ha alright then I suppose I was wrong and it's a wonderful movie

where does the age range stop?  are the marvel movies for kids?
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Post by: Kara on December 20, 2019, 09:17:47 PM
Yes, obviously.
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Post by: Nintex on December 20, 2019, 09:20:20 PM
Lucas: "These movies were made for kids"
Movie: "Well, of course the gentleman would oppose the taxation route tariffs on the third sequester of the quarterly earnings budget but...."

Lucas: "Star Wars was never about spaceships, it was more a soap opera"
Yoda *swoops in with clones*: "Concentrate all Fire Power on the nearest Star ship"

Something that would help Star Wars if they would take a pick between making a movie for kids or adults.  :doge
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 20, 2019, 09:43:54 PM
Yes, obviously.

I am openly offended. 
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 20, 2019, 10:00:33 PM
remember when luke skywalker went from a guy who flew around his uncle's floating box chevy to the best pilot in the rebel fleet the first time he flew an x wing

He bulls-eyed womprats in his T-16 back home all the time, breh.
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Post by: thisismyusername on December 20, 2019, 10:04:46 PM
Freddie Prinze Jr. having a banging bikini bod and a better grasp of Star Wars lore than flabby n sick nerdlings. :lawd

Yeah, but FPJ's wife is getting railed by another guy so he's a cuck, in comics anyway. :expert

Also Andy I looked that up and what the christ. :dead Later seasons aren't as batshit (though they have Buffy giving that power away and gaining it like it's no big deal until the reboot)

Stro: That shit is working for you. Goddamn. Some #GetMotivated shit right there.  :ryker

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/dANm7WjeWZi00/giphy.gif)
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Post by: kingv on December 20, 2019, 10:07:50 PM
Just finished watching it a bit ago.

It was just sort of ok. The spectacle was cool, and there was a lot of explosions. The IMAX 3D was impressive...

Yes, a lot of the plot doesn’t make much sense if your think about it. But probably the worst thing about this, and the new Star Wars trilogy, is most of the theoretically interesting stuff actually happens off-screen.

From the credit scrawl at the beginning of the movie, I realized all the shit the little blurb is talking about... almost none of it happened in the last movie. It all happened off-screen.

Operation Cinder I.e. how Pappy survived and created the first order? Off screen? Leia becoming a Jedi? Off screen. palpating threatening the galaxy in a radio broadcast? Off screen. Han Solo becoming disillusioned, off screen. Luke going into exile, off-screen.

The way they made these new movies, it almost like the movies themselves are incidental to the plot which mostly is just shit that happened offscreen. And the explanations for them are so perfunctory and paper-thin that the reasoning behind them barely even matters.

Like if they really wanted to just throw out TLJ and start with Pappy as the big bad (which I think was a desperation play really) a smart way to build that our would have been to extend the trilogy and make two more movies. Episode 6.5 “the rise of the first order” that establishes whatever the fuck actually happened after return of the Jedi  and then extend on it in 9. Instead he becomes the big bad guy off screen.

It’s not the worst movie I have ever seen and the visual design was fun, but I never want to hear any nerds talk about the lore of Star Wars again.

*i will day that I’m pretty sure lucas was serious about the lore in his movies. It may have been dumb lore, but he took it seriously. His idea for the third trilogy sounded like it was going to be about the microscopic organisms that live on your midiclorians and give you force powers or some dumb shit like that.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2019, 10:21:43 PM
FACT CHECK: The Phantom Menace is definitely not a movie for kids for like the first hour or however long it takes them to get to Tatooine.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2019, 10:24:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNDpEzCBLYA

 :phil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3ZhdKW6gJo

 :phil :phil :phil
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Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2019, 10:27:55 PM
Yes, yes, we all agree, it's the best of the films.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2019, 10:30:52 PM
wait, they just landed on this thing that's floating in the middle of nowhere, where are they intending on going lolol

edit: they're just walking out of frame even though that's the edge, George still learning green screen sets :lol
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Post by: kingv on December 20, 2019, 10:31:18 PM
If Disney thinks these movies are FOR kids, I think they are mistaken.

Yes the content is family friendly, but ain’t no ten year old begging their parents to take them Rogue One.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2019, 10:35:34 PM
to a ten year old that's seen the original trilogy (thanks to a parent) I'd say Rogue One is a pretty easy sell, ya got yer Vader and your Death Star and a good amount of action and some hot bureaucratic wrangling over who's in control of the project as well as whose to blame for it falling behind schedule, a ten year old would love all of that
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Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2019, 10:38:57 PM
although I may not entirely know what a ten year old loves since I wanted to go see Star Trek VI in the theatre (AND WE DID) and I wasn't ten yet (AND IT WAS AWESOME)
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Post by: kingv on December 20, 2019, 10:41:31 PM
I saw Terminator II in theaters when I was 10.

And I had seen Terminator prior. My cheap add parents didn’t want to get babysitters so they just took me to everything.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2019, 11:10:59 PM
yeah, that's how I saw the best political thriller ever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLOqkmNuI4k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWWQVmKOI28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN9lSoh3O3o
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Post by: team filler on December 20, 2019, 11:16:05 PM
If Disney thinks these movies are FOR kids, I think they are mistaken.

Yes the content is family friendly, but ain’t no ten year old begging their parents to take them Rogue One.
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1203905015217377280/pu/vid/640x360/f_tJs0C4FFyz0SS9.mp4?tag=10
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Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2019, 11:26:21 PM
Yes, obviously.

Iron Man: Study on the military industrial complex, war mongers, and terrorism at the end of the Bush era
Hulk: Study on genetic experimenting and the human condition
Thor: A theological and philosophical piece that asks what if gods were real?
Iron Man 2: A character study on addiction and the sins of the father(s)
Captain America: A WW2 movie with a poignant what if the Nazis had a worse splinter group and also eugenics


Uh....I don't even need to do phases 2, 3, 4, or the TV shows, or the Netflix shows, or Disney+ shows, or comic tie ins.



FUCK OOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFF
(http://i.imgur.com/lFKanLr.jpg)

(https://preview.redd.it/t72g1ds8t3u31.png?width=432&auto=webp&s=8e69dee18078a21addb9f26421f4361076f6e3df)
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Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2019, 11:29:02 PM
lol when looking for those i found this
(https://external-preview.redd.it/HjiqU0iHBONJd5qmzABESczepxggAP4F-Zs3X29TCeQ.jpg?auto=webp&s=430f8ae0244f8b402a4871a103703cab5c8537bf)
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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on December 20, 2019, 11:44:43 PM
FACT CHECK: The Phantom Menace is definitely not a movie for kids for like the first hour or however long it takes them to get to Tatooine.
i was gonna save this for my Very Special care post after id seen RoS, but whatever.

Star Wars, at bottom, was always a fairy tale morality play for children. and this is not a bad thing. after ~25 years of waxing progressive over antiheroes and moral ambiguity, The DiscourseTM has been poisoned enough that the absolute blacks and absolute whites of star wars fit squarely in A-Good-Thing-Actually territory because they force the writers to take a stance on something. the OT doesnt move past the twin claims that contentless fascism is bad and equanimity/repression of the passions turns you into a magician. i also dont think it really needs to because, moral thematic whatevers aside, the first two movies are just near perfect movies.

what i legit unironically admire about the prequels is that theyre accidental commentaries about parliamentary procedure, or the interested capture of state executive power, or the decay of liberal institutions, or however you wanna phrase it. but the guy seizing the executive power is actually orchestrating the war on both sides, because its still a childrens movie. now, i have no illusions that lucas was just really that dumb and actually thought he was sculpting a believable world, and even if he did have some kind of vision it still wouldve failed because he clearly didnt know how legislatures work. but theres a kernel of a movie in especially Phantom Menace that aspires to be bigger than the OT in its political scope and bolder in its moral commitment.

my biggest charge against the sequels is that, in their doubling down of the tropes and plot beats and whatnot from the OT (a huge problem by itself), they lose interest in expanding the moral landscape of their universe*. the movies devolve real quickly into a game of “Join me!” phone tag with virtually no fleshed out stakes and the set pieces and performances arent strong enough to carry it. the one big exception is Canto Bight, which is noncoincidentally the best part of the sequels.

*i can never forgive myself for this monstrous noun phrase

Thor: A theological and philosophical piece that asks what if gods were real?
jesus christ :dead
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Post by: benjipwns on December 21, 2019, 12:13:40 AM
Lucas at one point said that parts of Star Wars were Vietnam/Nixon inspired and that he got interested in how could the Empire come about from a more democratic society, but I don't think he particularly did any kind of deep investigation into it. When Revenge of the Sith came out there was all that stuff about how lines ("if you're not with me you're my enemy" "only the sith deal in absolutes") were shots at Bush/Iraq and he was like "they're Vietnam references" but they're really just kinda generic stuff, especially when you look at the lines before those two:
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Anakin Skywalker: Don't lecture me, Obi-Wan! I see through the lies of the Jedi. I do not fear the dark side as you do. I have brought peace, freedom, justice, and security to my new Empire.

Obi-Wan Kenobi: Your new Empire?

Anakin Skywalker: Don't make me kill you.

Obi-Wan Kenobi: Anakin, my allegiance is to the Republic, to democracy.
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Supreme Chancellor: Remember back to your early teachings. "All who gain power are afraid to lose it." Even the Jedi.

Anakin Skywalker: The Jedi use their power for good.

Supreme Chancellor: Good is a point of view, Anakin. The Jedi point of view is not the only valid one. The Dark Lords of the Sith believe in security and justice, also. Yet that are considered by the Jedi to be...

Anakin Skywalker: Evil?

Supreme Chancellor: The Sith and the Jedi are similar in almost every way, including their quest for greater power. The only difference between the two is that the Sith are not afraid of the Dark Side of the Force. That is why they are more powerful.

Anakin Skywalker: The Sith rely on their passion for their strength. They think inwards, only about themselves.

Supreme Chancellor: And the Jedi don't?

Anakin Skywalker: The Jedi are selfless. They only care about others.

Supreme Chancellor: The fear of losing power is a weakness of both the Jedi and the Sith.
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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on December 21, 2019, 12:46:02 AM
both the sequels and the prequels are bad at spelling out why exactly we give a shit about the republic. the only normal people we ever see who have something of a stake in democracy are the slaves in phantom menace and the last jedi. and i totally forgot before kara posted it here somewhere that when the new republic gets murked in the force awakens merely because its capital blows up, the entity that assumes the fight against the first order isnt even politically defined in the films. its straight up just a contentless force for good :neogaf

theres a missed opportunity in TLJ to make Luke just straight up right about the necessity of ending the jedi -a paramilitary religious order- for the sake of democracy
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Post by: benjipwns on December 21, 2019, 01:05:18 AM
It's even better because Leia's group in The Force Awakens is already NOT PART of the New Republic, which made no sense to me as it's not explained in the movie, apparently it is in this book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_Bloodline
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The 2016 novel Star Wars: Bloodline explained how this faction officially reorganized into the "First Order", and that this final transition only occurred about six years before The Force Awakens. By that time, the New Republic Senate had become divided into two parties: the Populists led by Leia Organa, who wanted to decentralize authority, and the Centrists, who wanted power to remain concentrated in a strong central government. Many of the Centrists were former Imperials who admired the old Empire for bringing order to the galaxy, and who feared that without strong central control the New Republic would become as weak and ineffectual as the Old Republic. Ultimately, many Centrist worlds seceded from the New Republic to reunite with the holdout Imperial remnants on the fringe of the galaxy, and formally combined into a new government called "the First Order". First Order conspirators publicly revealed that Leia was in fact the daughter of Darth Vader, severely harming her political standing among the remaining Populists.[4]

The vast majority of the New Republic's worlds remained intact, but with the exodus of the Centrists its Senate became dominated by the remaining Populists, who favored decentralization and demilitarization, not confrontation. Even after these events, most in the remaining Senate were happy to see the Centrists go, feeling that the new First Order still controlled far too few sectors of the galaxy to ever pose a serious threat to galactic peace. In their view, it was easier to just let the Centrist worlds peacefully leave of their own volition and rejoin the Imperial worlds rather than fight a war to keep them by force.
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Leia realizes that the Senate is too corrupt to be saved. She calls together some old friends—including Admiral Ackbar and Nien Nunb—as well as Greer, Joph and new "recruits" such as Snap Wexley and Dr. Kalonia to form the Resistance, an underground movement to investigate and fight against the forces amassing to threaten peace in the galaxy.
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The Resistance is a fictional resistance movement and private paramilitary force led by General Leia Organa that opposes the First Order in the fictional universe of Star Wars. It is a splinter of the military of the New Republic and takes inspiration from the Rebel Alliance, which had established the democratic New Republic after its war with the Galactic Empire. Many of the senior officers of the Resistance also served in the Rebel Alliance thirty years prior, including General Organa and Admiral Ackbar, while some junior officers had parents who served in the Rebel Alliance, as is the case with Poe Dameron.

The Resistance was a precautionary movement founded by Senator Leia Organa in response to the rise of the First Order, a military dictatorship that rose from the fallen Old Empire in the galaxy's unexplored space, the Unknown Regions, by staunch, loyal former Imperial hardliners. The New Republic did not deem the First Order to be a credible threat, so Senator Organa and several other Rebel veterans, who believed the First Order to be a threat to peace, broke away from the New Republic's military and founded the Resistance to check the First Order.
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Post by: team filler on December 21, 2019, 01:08:53 AM
I had hoped disney would redo the prequels, not I'm not so sure   :bobby
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Post by: OnlyRegret on December 21, 2019, 01:14:55 AM
although I may not entirely know what a ten year old loves since I wanted to go see Star Trek VI in the theatre (AND WE DID) and I wasn't ten yet (AND IT WAS AWESOME)

So Benji is probably ~35-37 :hmm
Someday the doxxer will be the doxxed.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 21, 2019, 01:21:46 AM
FACT CHECK: THAT'S TOO OLD

NO BULLY
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Post by: daemon on December 21, 2019, 02:53:17 AM
In the original movies luke did a couple pushups in the swamp and that allowed him to compete on equal terms with one of the strongest force user of all time so?

These movies are fucking stupid
Dude

Luke got jobbed in EPV.

Like Vader literally just wanted him to join, and when Luke got a tiny nick in his armor he was like, you know what? off with your hand so you stop that shit.

The only thing he managed to do was learn some uses of the force for acrobatics and a basic use of the force, with some tiny side of lightsaber combat. And like someone's answering you, Luke did not, for a single second, train Rey.

What you're complaining about is like asking: how did the new Deathstar in Ep6 happen? They never showed us the builders do it from the ground up!
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Post by: NekoFever on December 21, 2019, 04:06:24 AM
It's even better because Leia's group in The Force Awakens is already NOT PART of the New Republic, which made no sense to me as it's not explained in the movie, apparently it is in this book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_Bloodline
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The 2016 novel Star Wars: Bloodline explained how this faction officially reorganized into the "First Order", and that this final transition only occurred about six years before The Force Awakens. By that time, the New Republic Senate had become divided into two parties: the Populists led by Leia Organa, who wanted to decentralize authority, and the Centrists, who wanted power to remain concentrated in a strong central government. Many of the Centrists were former Imperials who admired the old Empire for bringing order to the galaxy, and who feared that without strong central control the New Republic would become as weak and ineffectual as the Old Republic. Ultimately, many Centrist worlds seceded from the New Republic to reunite with the holdout Imperial remnants on the fringe of the galaxy, and formally combined into a new government called "the First Order". First Order conspirators publicly revealed that Leia was in fact the daughter of Darth Vader, severely harming her political standing among the remaining Populists.[4]

The vast majority of the New Republic's worlds remained intact, but with the exodus of the Centrists its Senate became dominated by the remaining Populists, who favored decentralization and demilitarization, not confrontation. Even after these events, most in the remaining Senate were happy to see the Centrists go, feeling that the new First Order still controlled far too few sectors of the galaxy to ever pose a serious threat to galactic peace. In their view, it was easier to just let the Centrist worlds peacefully leave of their own volition and rejoin the Imperial worlds rather than fight a war to keep them by force.
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Leia realizes that the Senate is too corrupt to be saved. She calls together some old friends—including Admiral Ackbar and Nien Nunb—as well as Greer, Joph and new "recruits" such as Snap Wexley and Dr. Kalonia to form the Resistance, an underground movement to investigate and fight against the forces amassing to threaten peace in the galaxy.
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The Resistance is a fictional resistance movement and private paramilitary force led by General Leia Organa that opposes the First Order in the fictional universe of Star Wars. It is a splinter of the military of the New Republic and takes inspiration from the Rebel Alliance, which had established the democratic New Republic after its war with the Galactic Empire. Many of the senior officers of the Resistance also served in the Rebel Alliance thirty years prior, including General Organa and Admiral Ackbar, while some junior officers had parents who served in the Rebel Alliance, as is the case with Poe Dameron.

The Resistance was a precautionary movement founded by Senator Leia Organa in response to the rise of the First Order, a military dictatorship that rose from the fallen Old Empire in the galaxy's unexplored space, the Unknown Regions, by staunch, loyal former Imperial hardliners. The New Republic did not deem the First Order to be a credible threat, so Senator Organa and several other Rebel veterans, who believed the First Order to be a threat to peace, broke away from the New Republic's military and founded the Resistance to check the First Order.

So centrists were to blame. Which Era member wrote the book?
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Post by: Nintex on December 21, 2019, 04:17:06 AM
So Leia formed Outer Heaven in space  :lol
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 21, 2019, 04:43:21 AM
I do think a lot of criticism of Rey comes from a slightly misogynistic angle. My friend yesterday was complaining about how she's awful and how she has no flaws, everyone loves her, and is super good at everything. How it's because Kathleen Kennedy forced this. Which is really dumb as if Kathleen Kennedy was pushing such an extreme woke you'd think we'd have a female director by now. Clearly my friend watches shit like Midnight Eye on Youtube. I don't think Rey is an amazing character. She's not well written or anything. Then again Luke does go from farm boy to ace X-Wing pilot.

But to me the real thing is, these new movies are modern movies written knowing Star Wars exists.  Modern blockbusters are already so fast paced, but I also don't expect a modern star wars movie to really slow down and explain the force again.

I think the new trilogy has a lot of problems. But I really do hate the arguments that come from bad faith angles. I know this is a Reee post, but it really kind of annoyed me when I was talking to my friend yesterday.
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Post by: daemon on December 21, 2019, 05:08:17 AM
I do think a lot of criticism of Rey comes from a slightly misogynistic angle. My friend yesterday was complaining about how she's awful and how she has no flaws, everyone loves her, and is super good at everything. How it's because Kathleen Kennedy forced this. Which is really dumb as if Kathleen Kennedy was pushing such an extreme woke you'd think we'd have a female director by now. Clearly my friend watches shit like Midnight Eye on Youtube. I don't think Rey is an amazing character. She's not well written or anything. Then again Luke does go from farm boy to ace X-Wing pilot.

You're making the point everyone who gets uppity about Rey's character non-development being brought up.

Luke first movie:

Gets jobbed by tusken raiders

Gets pushed aside by two randos on the cantina

Literally the only thing going for Luke is the realization that he's strong in the force and he has to trust his insticts, not a computer.

About the pilot thing:

https://youtu.be/d7rfcMNc8xk

3:34


https://youtu.be/8ioOYLrlYsk

1:08

He establishes that he's a good pilot several times in a row

Obi-Wan states it too.

https://youtu.be/pUaxXsqGeFI

0:26


This is a T-16, a one-manner aircraft that Luke learned to use with gravity.

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/e/e1/Lukes_T-16_Skyhopper_TT.png/revision/latest?cb=20170520044701)

Going from bulls-eyeing womp rats to piloting an x-wing on outer space (and almost getting taken the fuck out by Vader without the help of a third party with a much bigger ship) is not quite the leap
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/34/fc/54/34fc543c2b9e50fef98cd5fb2d6d1647.jpg)


Now let's go with Rey for a second:

Beats everyone up with her staff

Never used a ship.

Takes the falcon on a planet with gravity. Drives it through a Star Destroyer, and pulls a 180º by stopping the engine. Nevermind the fact that the Falcon is a two manned ship, she did it on her first try without ever having used a single airship (she's barely getting rations by working fulltime as a scavenger)

Then fucking pulls out a chip and "bypasses the compressor", to the surprise of the person that owned the fucking ship. Like how the fuck do you even know where that chip was or what it does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_oseKiu6hw


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Post by: Nintex on December 21, 2019, 05:21:33 AM
Such a problem is easily fixable too.

Take Cal Kestis in EA's game for example. He's also on a scrapyard like Rey but he has a mentor guiding and teaching him.
Not in the force, but useful skills, plus he was being trained as a Jedi in the past.

If Rey had some sort of teacher and wasn't a loner on a sand planet.... perhaps Saw could've teached her,
that would've made her connection to Saw stronger and established her place in the grand scheme of things.

Now she just happens to climb around a scrapyard, having no friends, parents, teachers or literally anyone to teach her anything.
It's like the character came into existence suddenly as an adult scrapper on Jakku having no connection to her environment.
Even something as simple as her saying: "I used to have a teacher, he passed away" would've been enough to create some sort of mysterious figure who teached her all those things.
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Post by: daemon on December 21, 2019, 05:27:04 AM
Such a problem is easily fixable too.

Take Cal Kestis in EA's game for example. He's also on a scrapyard like Rey but he has a mentor guiding and teaching him.
Not in the force, but useful skills, plus he was being trained as a Jedi in the past.

If Rey had some sort of teacher and wasn't a loner on a sand planet.... perhaps Saw could've teached her,
that would've made her connection to Saw stronger and established her place in the grand scheme of things.

Now she just happens to climb around a scrapyard, having no friends, parents, teachers or literally anyone to teach her anything.
It's like the character came into existence suddenly as an adult scrapper on Jakku having no connection to her environment.
Even something as simple as her saying: "I used to have a teacher, he passed away" would've been enough to create some sort of mysterious figure who teached her all those things.

Absolutely. It literally feels like they couldn't figure out exactly where the character was going or came from and they said: we'll do it live!
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 21, 2019, 05:27:36 AM
I don't think any other Gundam main character struggles with piloting the Gundam or has as built in excuse for knowing how to pilot it as Amuro. And each main show pilot does "cooler" things with thier Gundams then Amuro ever did. Because after 20+ years the desire to get to cool shit is shorter and the cooler shit needs to be more extreme. It's also not bound by the same limitations of 20 years ago.

I'm not going to defend Rey as an amazing character, because I do not care and find all the characters shitty and underwritten. My point though was that it really is more in line with modern movie making and the fact that these movies exists as sequels in the first place that you get Rey as she is presented today.  These movies are not going to cheapen out on spectacle. They are not going to slow down an show a slow progression of the force. They are going to outdo whats already been done in a multi million dollar spectacle that they think people want from Star Wars.

She drives the Falcon on a planet with Gravity? Who fucking cares, I never think of how science works in Star Wars. Besides, it's already made clear she knows about space ship technology. She works to salvage ship parts. Also did you expect the 2015 Star Wars movie to have a quaint action movie were they struggle to pilot the Falcon and only slightly are able to hover it above the desert? No, thats stupid.

Who does she beat with her staff? Well seeing as how the planet she's on seems pretty crap, I'd hope she'd be pretty good with it. She beat Kylo Ren? Oh you mean the guy hurt from being shot with Chewy's weapon that in a action previously seemed to pack a punch like a shotgun? Even in that fight, it's not like she showed any real understanding of how to fight with her lightsaber. It looked like a street brawl.

How did she know to pull the compressor? I mean the dialogue itself says she was aware of the person who installed it. Also how does a mechanic know where things are on tons of different makes of cars. Probably because they have some familiarity with the general makes of vehicles and can spot elements of them. I'm not sure how it's a surprise of someone to spot things about space ships when they probably scavenge plenty of parts off of them so the higher ups  can repuruorpse them.

But in the end who cares? She's not a great character. None of the new cast is. They are all poorly developed, nothing characters. And my point is really that is because these movies are made from such a different angle that it really hurts them.
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Post by: daemon on December 21, 2019, 05:33:39 AM
I don't think any other Gundam main character struggles with piloting the Gundam or has as built in excuse for knowing how to pilot it as Amuro. And each main show pilot does "cooler" things with thier Gundams then Amuro ever did. Because after 20+ years the desire to get to cool shit is shorter and the cooler shit needs to be more extreme. It's also not bound by the same limitations of 20 years ago.

I'm not going to defend Rey as an amazing character, because I do not care and find all the characters shitty and underwritten. My point though was that it really is more in line with modern movie making and the fact that these movies exists as sequels in the first place that you get Rey as she is presented today.  These movies are not going to cheapen out on spectacle. They are not going to slow down an show a slow progression of the force. They are going to outdo whats already been done in a multi million dollar spectacle that they think people want from Star Wars.

She drives the Falcon on a planet with Gravity? Who fucking cares, I never think of how science works in Star Wars. Besides, it's already made clear she knows about space ship technology. She works to salvage ship parts. Also did you expect the 2015 Star Wars movie to have a quaint action movie were they struggle to pilot the Falcon and only slightly are able to hover it above the desert? No, thats stupid.

Who does she beat with her staff? Well seeing as how the planet she's on seems pretty crap, I'd hope she'd be pretty good with it. She beat Kylo Ren? Oh you mean the guy hurt from being shot with Chewy's weapon that in a action previously seemed to pack a punch like a shotgun? Even in that fight, it's not like she showed any real understanding of how to fight with her lightsaber. It looked like a street brawl.

How did she know to pull the compressor? I mean the dialogue itself says she was aware of the person who installed it. Also how does a mechanic know where things are on tons of different makes of cars. Probably because they have some familiarity with the general makes of vehicles and can spot elements of them. I'm not sure how it's a surprise of someone to spot things about space ships when they probably scavenge plenty of parts off of them so the higher ups  can repuruorpse them.

But in the end who cares? She's not a great character. None of the new cast is. They are all poorly developed, nothing characters. And my point is really that is because these movies are made from such a different angle that it really hurts them.

Notice that I didn't mention the Rey and Kylo fight, because Kylo didn't want to kill her. The only thing that bothers me:

"I can teach you the ways of the force!"

"the force...!"

*closes eyes*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vMO3XmNXe4


The other thing that bothers me is Finn being opened up like a sardine and surviving it, or how Rey gets a precise slash that doesn't do anything but external damage on Kylo.

And let's not forget how she UNO reversed Kylo's mind exploration. It's like, okay let's just now mindtrick because I keep downloading the force from the matrix, lol.



They should've obviously including a mechanic-type mentor that allowed her to repair ships with him, and also test drive them around the planet, etc. But yeah, I was merely answering about how Luke and Rey are nothing alike when it comes to shortcomings.
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Post by: Nintex on December 21, 2019, 05:44:29 AM
It's not about Rey being exceptional. Characters can be exceptional. The problem is that at no point was she connected to anything in the movie as a character until the heroes showed up on Jakku.
This is story telling / hero's journey 101. It happens in media all the time. It takes literally one line to connect a character to the universe the movie is portraying in an 'EA' way and they simply left that out.
Mass Effect Andromeda for all its faults, still managed to connect the characters to the narrative. Even Hobbs and Shaw managed to do this with new characters.

I read that in an early draft with some of Lucas ideas Rey was Luke's grandchild named Keera or Kira. Would've made a ton more sense to connect the characters in such a way.
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Post by: MMaRsu on December 21, 2019, 07:07:04 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb3Ml_QBPAQ
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Post by: Nintex on December 21, 2019, 08:25:40 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MuxVqB3I7E
"You dropped something.... the plot"  :lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5LcbX_USg4

This is a very accurate portrayal of George Lucas.  :lol
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Post by: toku on December 21, 2019, 10:18:31 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F1d3QWsyk0

still good
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Post by: bork on December 21, 2019, 10:23:56 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQj_bwMf7DM
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Post by: kingv on December 21, 2019, 10:25:03 AM
I agree with Nintex :stahp
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 21, 2019, 11:20:15 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F1d3QWsyk0

still good

"..."

"...i love you too"
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Post by: BIONIC on December 21, 2019, 12:29:58 PM
Saw it.

Complete and utter fan fiction drivel, but I’m not gonna lie, I actually enjoyed it.

Unlike the last two movies, this wasn’t a fucking slog to get through. Kept the pace up. I liked how a couple of lines just completely shit all over some of the ideas in TLJ. Also, a black guy getting cucked by a literal space Nazi is some actual subversion of expectations for once  :doge

As a movie and piece of art it has literally nothing of worth to say; just like all the other movies in this franchise. Star Wars is literally for babies. Nerds need to get a fucking a grip, and stop getting heated about this dumb shit.

My greatest disappointment was that Dr. Pavel, I’m CIA guy didn’t show up as a force ghost. You lied to me, Benji :bolo
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Neither did Jar Jar :goldberg
[close]
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Post by: Nintex on December 21, 2019, 01:53:40 PM
And then the start of TFA makes even less sense.

Because why would The First Order blow up a Republic that doesn't consider them a threat and doesn't have an army.  :lol
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 21, 2019, 02:21:26 PM
I mean I could buy this if I saw what this Republic looked like and maybe how the world has changed since Return. That's the number one thing I hate about the sequel trilogy is nothing has changed seemingly. And the only real reason is because Disney did'nt want something more complex and different then the original trilogy.
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Post by: TVC15 on December 21, 2019, 02:22:52 PM
I’m rewatching The Last Jedi and I forgot it opened with a mom joke. This really is the worst movie in the saga.
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Post by: Himu on December 21, 2019, 02:30:07 PM
I saw Terminator II in theaters when I was 10.

And I had seen Terminator prior. My cheap add parents didn’t want to get babysitters so they just took me to everything.

Saw Robocop II in theaters. Movie is brutal and awesome.
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Post by: Himu on December 21, 2019, 02:36:03 PM
Rey blows. I supported her in TFA and defended her being good at the lightsaber the first time she uses it but TLJ does nothing for her character or growth. She doesn't grow at all like Luke did, nor does she suffer from adversity. She really is a Mary Sue.

What's funny is how people are making a big deal out of a female hero when I grew up with Storm, Jean Grey, Aerith, Yuna, Celes Chere, and Captain Janeway. Who cares, big whoop. Star Wars isn't breaking new ground by casting a female heroine and I hate that people act like it is.
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Post by: Nintex on December 21, 2019, 02:50:46 PM
Rey blows. I supported her in TFA and defended her being good at the lightsaber the first time she uses it but TLJ does nothing for her character or growth. She doesn't grow at all like Luke did, nor does she suffer from adversity. She really is a Mary Sue.

What's funny is how people are making a big deal out of a female hero when I grew up with Storm, Jean Grey, Aerith, Yuna, Celes Chere, and Captain Janeway. Who cares, big whoop. Star Wars isn't breaking new ground by casting a female heroine and I hate that people act like it is.
Don't forget about Trinity, the real hero of the Matrix in all that leather and of course Olivia Wilde in TRON.  :drool
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Post by: Himu on December 21, 2019, 02:58:50 PM
Don't get me wrong.

I'm glad they're using female and black heroes. But let's not pretend that these characters are good.

This is a problem that plagues black creatives. There's a sense that as black people you need to support black artists no matter what, even if the actual content isn't good because you're happy a black person got a platform to create. Which brings me to Jordan Peele and Us, which is utter, utter balls of a movie.

Rey and Finn are like that. People are celebratory in the fact there's a female Star Wars main character to the point where they forget to question if said character is actually good or not.

Compare with Killmonger in Black Panther. Good character. Good representation.

And then look at Finn.

(https://i.imgur.com/IyM6bgn.gif)

The idea that you can't critique Rey as a character without being accused of misogyny is preposterous.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 21, 2019, 02:59:24 PM
It's not about Rey being exceptional. Characters can be exceptional. The problem is that at no point was she connected to anything in the movie as a character until the heroes showed up on Jakku.
This is story telling / hero's journey 101. It happens in media all the time. It takes literally one line to connect a character to the universe the movie is portraying in an 'EA' way and they simply left that out.
Mass Effect Andromeda for all its faults, still managed to connect the characters to the narrative. Even Hobbs and Shaw managed to do this with new characters.

I read that in an early draft with some of Lucas ideas Rey was Luke's grandchild named Keera or Kira. Would've made a ton more sense to connect the characters in such a way.
I don't really agree with this. Heroic characters don't have to follow the hero's journey template and it's clear in TFA the character is a big JJ Abrams mystery box. Now I think JJ is kind of a hack and in the end his work is rather shallow and lacking it's own real identity, trading on nostalgia. He just is able to package it well....until you take a second to look at it. But it's clear that the character was supposed to come off unnatural. Jakku not being her "home" and her embracing that she needs to leave is her character arc. She is'nt connected to anything, because she's not supposed to be there. Characters in the movie are confused and startled by her(Maz asking Han whats her deal, Kylo being surprised and startled by her presence, Luke's Lightsaber "calling" to her). Her having a Mentor or any real connection there would work aginst what they probably wanted to do with her.

Now, clearly like all JJ shit it went nowhere. But then again pretty much every character in these new movies except maybe Kylo went nowhere, was underwritten, had no point, and are bad.

I think the character would have been better if they did lean into the angle that she is an unwilling "chosen one". She has a lot of power and doesn't want it and is afraid of it.
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Post by: TVC15 on December 21, 2019, 04:05:30 PM
Whatever. JJ saved the franchise by making it credible to claim that it’s really been the Palpatine Saga all along.
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Post by: TVC15 on December 21, 2019, 04:09:56 PM
Yoda says “the greatest teacher failure is” in The Last Jedi, and what JJ learned from the failure of The Last Jedi is that the series was about Sheev the whole time.
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Post by: Himu on December 21, 2019, 04:11:54 PM
The Sith's we made along the way :rejoice
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Post by: thisismyusername on December 21, 2019, 04:54:35 PM
Found a decent enough cam, why is Vader's burned helmet still smoldering? It's been 40 fucking years since his funeral pyre :dead

The rage of him not killing just the men, but the women and children too, and not finishing them all off smolders 40 years later. :doge
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Post by: Rman on December 21, 2019, 05:28:48 PM
Yep, Rey is still a Mary Sue lol. 
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Post by: Nintex on December 21, 2019, 05:29:35 PM
Darth Vader was killed in an unstable nuclear reactor much like Chernobyl.
Luke Skywalker suddenly died of radiation poisoning too. 
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Post by: Nabbis on December 21, 2019, 05:39:56 PM
Aside from Palpatine being the crazy bastard that he is the only other thing i liked about the movie is how it shits all over TLJ. What a fucking mess, at least the prequels gave birth to memes.
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Post by: Don Rumata on December 21, 2019, 05:42:21 PM
Palpatine has been consistently the best character across at least 5 movies, so it makes sense to make him the star.
Now they only need a pre-prequel show about him on Disney+.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 21, 2019, 05:52:31 PM
They should just pre-prequel their way down to the old republic over the next 30 years.
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Post by: thisismyusername on December 21, 2019, 09:31:07 PM
...I mean, Leia comes from Anakin, so technically she has been a "jedi" since birth.  :doge
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Post by: headwalk on December 21, 2019, 09:43:38 PM
my favourite thing about lando is when naomi ackie says "i don't know where i'm from" lando gives her sex eyes and says "well let's find out".

i'm not sure if it's supposed to be that he's still a galactic letch at the age of 90 odd but i can't think of any other way it can be read.
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Post by: BlueTsunami on December 21, 2019, 09:46:10 PM
I let out a resounding yawn during the third act. That about sums it up.

I feel they need to let go of the whimsy wonder they're trying to constantly affect. I think Dune will be the true space opera benchmark vs this Hallmark film with an obscene budget trilogy we've been suffering through.
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Post by: thisismyusername on December 21, 2019, 10:04:12 PM
(https://external-preview.redd.it/djd87MU6kwfJI47Gu4qGJ_zlmmIY03x9XKe5kTqZCDs.jpg?auto=webp&s=77c5f6bb1407759fd5b73edc6a87967a08eaf140)
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Post by: thisismyusername on December 21, 2019, 10:22:29 PM
https://twitter.com/mileniumfalcons/status/1208258607201968128
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Post by: bork on December 21, 2019, 10:30:49 PM
Saw this and definitely found it to be the weakest of this new trilogy.  :zzz

I let out a resounding yawn during the third act. That about sums it up.

Third act is where it felt like things were finally picking up to me.  :lol

The first half and really two-thirds of this movie felt like a jumbled mess with too much stuff shoehorned in, and even then it felt mostly pointless and boring.  This movie made me not really care about any of these characters, most of whom it just felt were doing shit from the original trilogy all over again.

Spoiler-shit:

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-So let me get this straight- Kylo Ren gets stabbed, force-connects with mama for a second, gets healed up, and OK I'M A GOOD GUY NOW!  wut

-Leia- She should not have been in this movie.  Sorry, but what footage they had of her just didn't really work and she came off like an afterthought.  And while I understand why -again for obvious reasons- from a story standpoint, her not popping back up as a force ghost (until the very end) doesn't make sense when everyone else seems to be able to do this.

-Billy Dee must have loved doing this movie.  Dude seemed so happy and positive throughout the movie, lol.  Good guy Lando being the only one to actually get shit done and raise an army.  :doge

-What was the point of Palpatine hiding himself and all his Sith followers/army for decades?  If he had a giant army and fleet of warships ready to go, why even have the First Order?

-Who were all those people in the 'arena' in his hidden throne room?  Guess we'll never know.

-I'm actually OK with the way the movie ended, even with the cheesy "let's take it back to the beginning" last scene that they went with.  But I think it would have been better if Rey sacrificed herself and to stop her grandpappy and Kylo defeated him in the end, redeeming himself and carrying on the Skywalker name.  But I guess him being a murdering bastard for most of the time wouldn't exactly make him the best of good guys.
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Glad this shit is done and over w-- LOL, who am I kidding?  Even if there's a brand new story in the next movie, there's no way that they're not going to keep bringing back characters from these trilogies over and over again in some form.
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Post by: thisismyusername on December 21, 2019, 10:35:22 PM
Lando will be back, for sure. Gotta get more Colt .40's, baby.

Finn/Poe won't be: Finn especially since he didn't get to be ghey for pay like he wanted to be (and Bless Isaac for giving no fucks at this point since his contract is done)
Poe won't be, he's already stated "fuck doing Disney+"

Rey won't be either: She's hated the series since fan backlash or whatever but if the money is good, I could see it.

That leaves... Lando... and new Chewie (if he doesn't die here).
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Post by: chronovore on December 21, 2019, 10:51:46 PM
I was spoiled on TLJ and thought it sounded good, didn't see it till it was out on VOD and thought it was bad cause of how it executed it's ideas.

That was surprising as I genuinely think Rian Johnson is a good director, JJ fucking sucks 99% of the time so I don't doubt it'll be just as awful in execution as it reads on paper.

This whole thing is insanely mismanaged. Yeah, George Lucas didn't have a plan with the OT either but him being in charge of all three meant at least it would move coherently from movie to movie. Here you had a bad director who is a little too obsessed with mystery boxes start it off on the safest ground possible, a weirdo director who either doesn't like SW or didn't care to make one outside of experimenting with it but not really committing to any of his ideas while somehow still evoking the OT's scenes and ending a trilogy in the second part, now the first director is back to try and pull out an ending out of thin air by retconning ideas people actually liked in TLJ even if they didn't like the movie.

It's a complete mess. They're better than the prequels, which isn't hard as those three movies are on a level of awful you can only find in movies yet to leave the VHS format. But as a trilogy they don't really fit in to each other very well.

I rewatched TLJ this morning and was bowled over again by how fantastic the writing is. It has some the smartest writing in the series; that's damning with faint praise, but I genuinely get emotional at some of the thoughts expressed in it. I'm not sure why I don't hold it up higher than ESB, but I don't. Maybe it's just that I'm never going to be 12 years old again.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 21, 2019, 11:07:28 PM
Whatever. JJ saved the franchise by making it credible to claim that it’s really been the Palpatine Saga all along.
I'd like to point out that this is canon in the Disney Star Wars Universe:
(https://i.redd.it/4fkhmc98bwh21.jpg)

Palpatine "influenced" the MIDICHLORIANS to have Anakin conceived.
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Post by: TVC15 on December 21, 2019, 11:08:30 PM
Did I miss something with the Sith dagger? It said their target was in the ruins of the Death Star II, which means it had to be created after the Death Star crashed. Who made this dagger? I’d presume the tracking device was in possession of Vader or Palpatine, and they died, so who knew to even make this dagger?
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Post by: mormapope on December 21, 2019, 11:20:17 PM
Whatever. JJ saved the franchise by making it credible to claim that it’s really been the Palpatine Saga all along.

I can't wait for Star Wars: Snoke Eater. Where it takes place in XX64, and Palpatine witnesses his mentor, The Jedi, fall from Grace and become a sith Lord.

In a infiltration mission, Palpatine, who goes by the codename Snoke, infiltrates Sith territory. He uses his military training and kills an elite team of sith Lords. While hunting his mentor, he's also given the task to find The Force Legacy.

In a traumatic twist, Palpatine learns that his mentor converted to Sith teachings as an undercover agent, and was willing to die for The Jedi council. Palpatine is given the rank of Big Jedi for completing his mission. But his heart will never be the same.

https://youtu.be/F9hagVL-__c

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Post by: thisismyusername on December 21, 2019, 11:24:36 PM
Would watch if only we get a five minute ladder climbing scene.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 21, 2019, 11:30:48 PM
Anakin never killed anybody, it was Count Dooku possessing his prosthetic arm.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 21, 2019, 11:33:48 PM
The sequel trilogy was really an elaborate simulation recreation of the original trilogy by the Jedi in an attempt to create a new Super Jedi through Rey and Kylo into one of the Palpatine Clones.
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Post by: TVC15 on December 21, 2019, 11:38:38 PM
Wow, just caught up on the past two weeks of the relationship thread and that was WAY better than this movie. The degeneration of Atra into a vile hormone-driven animal has been an incredibly compelling narrative arc.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 22, 2019, 12:05:17 AM
Going to pitch Disney on a Lando trilogy where he has to reconnect the hyperspace network while delivering packages.
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Post by: bork on December 22, 2019, 12:23:27 AM
Did I miss something with the Sith dagger? It said their target was in the ruins of the Death Star II, which means it had to be created after the Death Star crashed. Who made this dagger? I’d presume the tracking device was in possession of Vader or Palpatine, and they died, so who knew to even make this dagger?

Oh yeah, that garbage too- let's also not forget how the dagger is ultimately used to locate an area of the crashed wreckage that just so happens to be facing them as they look into the sea.
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 22, 2019, 12:32:41 AM
Yoda says “the greatest teacher failure is” in The Last Jedi, and what JJ learned from the failure of The Last Jedi is that the series was about Sheev the whole time.

The Star War is dead, long live the Sheeviad?
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Post by: BlueTsunami on December 22, 2019, 12:43:15 AM
Did anyone catch how odd the Sheev dialog was? He kept restating what Rey was supposed to do so he could ascend. I get he was manipulating her through the force but it felt like a badly planned  Ted talk

I sat there like, ok, someone fucking die already
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Post by: BlueTsunami on December 22, 2019, 12:50:11 AM
Wow, just caught up on the past two weeks of the relationship thread and that was WAY better than this movie. The degeneration of Atra into a vile hormone-driven animal has been an incredibly compelling narrative arc.

Could be fashioned into a Rey Skywalker prequel. Dad just fucked his way into the Palpatine bloodline. Atra as Sheevs Father. A Sith Lord as just a tragic product of a fateful rave.
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Post by: kingv on December 22, 2019, 01:10:05 AM
Who did Pappy give the old pipeatine too anyway?
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Post by: team filler on December 22, 2019, 04:32:53 AM
darth jarjar fanfic>the majority of star war  :doge
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Post by: team filler on December 22, 2019, 05:16:14 AM
https://twitter.com/isgoodrum/status/1208422148253114368
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Post by: Nintex on December 22, 2019, 06:58:07 AM
Steve Bannon really did a number on China  :lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6rv7-uC2-E
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Post by: Tasty on December 22, 2019, 09:15:18 AM
Did I miss something with the Sith dagger? It said their target was in the ruins of the Death Star II, which means it had to be created after the Death Star crashed. Who made this dagger? I’d presume the tracking device was in possession of Vader or Palpatine, and they died, so who knew to even make this dagger?

Makes about as much sense as the Luke map in TFA.
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Post by: Nintex on December 22, 2019, 10:09:36 AM
I've been playing EA Battlefront II. The campaign is a cool action romp and there's a second campaign now...
Then it hit me, this is basically the backstory and context you need before watching TFA.

In Battlefront II
Campaign I
You see what the Empire did after Endor (Operation Cinder) and it ends with the battle of Jakku (the planet Rey is stranded on))
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Epilogue
You see Kylo Ren searching for the map that leads to Luke, learning its location just before TFA begins
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Campaign II
You learn about Project Resurrection, the plan to kidnap children all over the Galaxy by The New Order to form a new army. Something that has been going on for a while. In the second mission you see 'lights in the sky' which shows how The New Order destroys The Hosnian system. I've just started this so I don't know if it reveals more.
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So the Fortnite Palpatine reveal is not the first time they put half the story in a different product than the movies.  :doge

It's like if with The New Hope they cut out the intro of the movie and it put in a comic and started the movie with R2 and 3CPO on Tatooine instead.
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Post by: Uncle on December 22, 2019, 11:08:43 AM
my favourite thing about lando is when naomi ackie says "i don't know where i'm from" lando gives her sex eyes and says "well let's find out".

i'm not sure if it's supposed to be that he's still a galactic letch at the age of 90 odd but i can't think of any other way it can be read.

he thinks she might be his long-lost daughter

https://ew.com/movies/2019/12/21/the-rise-of-skywalker-companion-book-lando-final-scene-twist/
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Post by: Uncle on December 22, 2019, 11:12:57 AM
Did I miss something with the Sith dagger? It said their target was in the ruins of the Death Star II, which means it had to be created after the Death Star crashed. Who made this dagger? I’d presume the tracking device was in possession of Vader or Palpatine, and they died, so who knew to even make this dagger?

ahh prophecy and connecting with events to come in the far future is a thing

nobody knew the meaning of the dagger until the time was right
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 22, 2019, 11:14:19 AM
I'm really glad I only have to read 20 companion books to get the real 7,8,9 experience.
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Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 22, 2019, 11:17:31 AM
I think Disney underestimated star war nerds and was hoping these films would move the franchise from something people deeply care about (for better or worse) to product to be consumed then moved on from like the marvel films :brain
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Post by: Rman on December 22, 2019, 11:34:51 AM
I think Disney underestimated star war nerds and was hoping these films would move the franchise from something people deeply care about (for better or worse) to product to be consumed then moved on from like the marvel films :brain

Honestly, I just think Kathleen Kennedy sucks. She's the Kevin Feige equivalent for the Star Wars portfolio of properties.

The Mandalorian is great, though.  At least we have that.

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Post by: thisismyusername on December 22, 2019, 11:43:46 AM
But Kevin Feige has had success with the MCU? :confused
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Post by: Coffee Dog on December 22, 2019, 11:48:48 AM
Checked in on the latest TLJ thread to see how the film is being viewed in a post ROS world

We've moved from "TLJ is good and you are just biased" to "33% of the movie is good, but that 33% is beyond reproach"

As good as the Rey/Kylo plotline is for Kylo's character (and investing Rey more personally in the events) at the end of the day the film ends with Luke Skywalker resigning to publicly killing himself because he is worth more dead than alive and fighting for change. The script is certainly saying things but a lot of them are pretty stupid
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Post by: Rman on December 22, 2019, 11:51:38 AM
OFC The Last Jedi hurt TROS.  It's a followup to it. How anyone can't see that is completely blind to the movie business.  And yeah, the RT score didn't help either.

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Post by: Himu on December 22, 2019, 11:53:31 AM
this new movie sounds like a mess and far less more fun than i was hoping :lol

Team Fuckery where you at with Ep 9?
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Post by: thisismyusername on December 22, 2019, 12:04:23 PM
Not watching it until it's on DVD at the library, bb. Saves me cash. :doge
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Post by: Uncle on December 22, 2019, 01:21:28 PM
But Kevin Feige has had success with the MCU? :confused

she's the Paul Feig equivalent
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Post by: Nintex on December 22, 2019, 02:03:39 PM
Here's your problem
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Episode IV – A New Hope (1977)
Episode V – The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
Episode VI – Return of the Jedi (1983)
Average time between films 3 years.

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Episode I – The Phantom Menace (1999)
Episode II – Attack of the Clones (2002)
Episode III – Revenge of the Sith (2005)
Lucas started writing EP1 in 1994. They did the "Shadows of the Empire" thing to hold over fans while they were working on TPM.
Average time between films: 3 years

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Episode VII – The Force Awakens (2015)
Episode VIII – The Last Jedi (2017)
Episode IX – The Rise of Skywalker (2019)
Disney bought Star Wars in 2012. Average time between films 2 years not counting Solo,  Rogue One and cancelled projects also in development.
Plus re-shoots, changing directors for TROS, Harrison Ford's accident during the filming of TFA, Carrie Fisher passing away etc. .

Disney seems to just greenlit the first draft and then starts shooting.  :idont
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Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 22, 2019, 02:04:21 PM
One key fuck up in the star war no one talks about is how daisy Ridley being a posh tart was the wrong choice to play a character who should’ve had loads of ruffian charm.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 22, 2019, 02:11:02 PM
I'd spend my time drunk too if I contributed to TLJ.  Like even if I was just a PA or set decorator.  It would be like living with the guilt of attending a lynching. 
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Post by: Nintex on December 22, 2019, 02:20:04 PM
Well she was drunk for most of TLJ and I don't think it added any ruffian charm to her
I never felt any of the cast members were a problem for the films.

Daisy Ridley was great, had good chemistry with Hamill, Driver and Boyega too.
It was just the poor directing and overall story which made TLJ such a drag to watch and her scenes are actually among the best.
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Post by: Leadbelly on December 22, 2019, 02:33:58 PM
One key fuck up in the star war no one talks about is how daisy Ridley being a posh tart was the wrong choice to play a character who should’ve had loads of ruffian charm.

I think the key fuck up with Rey is that she was too powerful way too early. She basically kicked Kylo's ass in the first movie without even breaking a sweat. So now the whole battle between Kylo and Rey just seems pointless. The outcome seems nothing but a formality. Essentially they tried to appeal to the 'woke' demographic by making Rey super kick ass to the detriment of Rey's overarching character arc. Of course Vader was stronger than Luke at the beginning of the original Stars Wars movies, but they should have made Kylo at least Rey's equal. That said, The Last Jedi did some things that made the relationship between Kylo and Rey in some way interesting. Towards the end of the movie though they managed fuck even that up, so.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 22, 2019, 03:03:36 PM
Link?
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Post by: Nintex on December 22, 2019, 03:17:36 PM
Disney must've scrubbed that clean from the internet but she had some sort of therapy to deal with anxiety issues after the fame TFA brought her.
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Post by: Rman on December 22, 2019, 03:42:23 PM
One key fuck up in the star war no one talks about is how daisy Ridley being a posh tart was the wrong choice to play a character who should’ve had loads of ruffian charm.

I think the key fuck up with Rey is that she was too powerful way too early. She basically kicked Kylo's ass in the first movie without even breaking a sweat. So now the whole battle between Kylo and Rey just seems pointless. The outcome seems nothing but a formality. Essentially they tried to appeal to the 'woke' demographic by making Rey super kick ass to the detriment of Rey's overarching character arc. Of course Vader was stronger than Luke at the beginning of the original Stars Wars movies, but they should have made Kylo at least Rey's equal. That said, The Last Jedi did some things that made the relationship between Kylo and Rey in some way interesting. Towards the end of the movie though they managed fuck even that up, so.

Yep. 

But if you call her a Mary Sue you're a misogynist lol.  Total BS. 

And given the reveal in TROS of her true nature, even dumber. 
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 22, 2019, 04:02:42 PM
One key fuck up in the star war no one talks about is how daisy Ridley being a posh tart was the wrong choice to play a character who should’ve had loads of ruffian charm.

I think the key fuck up with Rey is that she was too powerful way too early. She basically kicked Kylo's ass in the first movie without even breaking a sweat. So now the whole battle between Kylo and Rey just seems pointless. The outcome seems nothing but a formality. Essentially they tried to appeal to the 'woke' demographic by making Rey super kick ass to the detriment of Rey's overarching character arc. Of course Vader was stronger than Luke at the beginning of the original Stars Wars movies, but they should have made Kylo at least Rey's equal. That said, The Last Jedi did some things that made the relationship between Kylo and Rey in some way interesting. Towards the end of the movie though they managed fuck even that up, so.

Yep. 

But if you call her a Mary Sue you're a misogynist lol.  Total BS. 

And given the reveal in TROS of her true nature, even dumber. 

The issue is more than Mary Sue has become a misogynistic term, not that she is one.  Why call her a Mary Sue when you can say that she was prevented from growing as a character because she started off unreasonably strong? 
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 22, 2019, 04:03:16 PM
Disney must've scrubbed that clean from the internet


 ::)
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Post by: Dickie Dee on December 22, 2019, 04:30:28 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/dannolan/status/1207233638317748226
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Post by: kingv on December 22, 2019, 04:30:36 PM
Wait as sec


Shouldn't Rey now be possessed by the spirit of Palpatine/all siths/EVULS for killing him? Like...that was his plan and what he wanted all along, right?

No, actually, they changed this in reshoots, but in the original cut Rei says over and over again “why are you electrocuting yourself? Stop electrocuting yourself! Huh? Huh?”

Too bad they took it out, as it was a particularly iconic line.
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Post by: thisismyusername on December 22, 2019, 05:38:27 PM
Disney must've scrubbed that clean from the internet but she had some sort of therapy to deal with anxiety issues after the fame TFA brought her.

Oh no, rich girl is... *checks notes* hated by unwashed nerds for being a woman main character... *gets another note* ...While the rest of us hate her because she comes from privileged and should be guillotined.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 22, 2019, 05:41:36 PM
I don't think calling Rey a Mary Sue makes you a mysgonist. Though I think the term is pretty stupid. She is a rather poorly written character in a poorly conceived and thought out story.

But I do think there are a lot of shit heads criticizing these movies from a shitty place. I know this is a very Ree like post, but Hollywood trying to cash in on diversity trends and what not while "bad" has brought out shitty people on the internet.

In the end (i haven't seen this movie) I just don't really care for these sequels because they don't bring anything to the table. The characters are nothing. They have no journey I'm invested in. The story and conflict is the most whatever conflict I could ever not imagine. I'm not going to say they are worse then the prequels, because on a pure "movie" level they aren't. They aren't sterile pos that I feel embarrassed to watch. But they are stories that I don't know how anyone could connect are care about beyond "oh shit it's star wars stuff renderd on a screen".

I mean not everything is bad, but they sure don't emit feelings. But then again maybe because I'm too old?

As someone who is'nt big on Star Wars outside of the movies, I kind of liked Jedi Fallen Order more. I mean it wasn't great, but the story felt....more thought idea. It's almost like the writers understood arcs, themes, and character development.
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Post by: Himu on December 22, 2019, 05:53:06 PM
It's a balancing out.

Are there people that criticize Rey's character that are misogynists? Absolutely.

But are all people that think her character is poor misogynists? Fuck no. I'm actually really disappointed because I really liked Rey in TFA and half of TLJ.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 22, 2019, 06:33:20 PM
which cam would this happen to be?
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 22, 2019, 06:37:35 PM
It's on a private torrent site some of us use here

pm me your e-mail for an invite

Ah that's Ok, I don't like private trackers.  Thanks though.
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Post by: Tuckers Law on December 22, 2019, 06:38:13 PM
hero
Captain Janeway.
:dunno

Seriously though, that’s part of why I love when James Cameron riles up the MCU/Star Wars babbies.  Dude was making badass women heroes when all these nerds were still picking their buttholes.
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Post by: Uncle on December 22, 2019, 06:56:20 PM
One key fuck up in the star war no one talks about is how daisy Ridley being a posh tart was the wrong choice to play a character who should’ve had loads of ruffian charm.

I think the key fuck up with Rey is that she was too powerful way too early. She basically kicked Kylo's ass in the first movie without even breaking a sweat. So now the whole battle between Kylo and Rey just seems pointless. The outcome seems nothing but a formality. Essentially they tried to appeal to the 'woke' demographic by making Rey super kick ass to the detriment of Rey's overarching character arc. Of course Vader was stronger than Luke at the beginning of the original Stars Wars movies, but they should have made Kylo at least Rey's equal. That said, The Last Jedi did some things that made the relationship between Kylo and Rey in some way interesting. Towards the end of the movie though they managed fuck even that up, so.

it sucks that TLJ has become known for subverting expectations because it doesn't even do that well

you think it's going to do something interesting where rey and kylo team up and what does this mean for the resistance and first order, but then immediately nopes back to the status quo where kylo bad rey good because rian wanted to kill luke so badly and kylo had to be evil in order to do that

limp dick leads you right back into giant empire tiny rebels as much as ever before instead of actually going to a new place
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Post by: Tasty on December 22, 2019, 07:13:10 PM
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Having a sequel series to a concluded story is always going to end up overriding shit and making the things it is a continuation of pointless in the end ( I believe this is a pretty big issue with EU stuff as well), but when you really break down the OT characters and what happens to them post ROTJ :lol

Nah Korra showed how it could be done well. Set a generation later with a different type of antagonist/conflict. It's doable.

This is one area I'm concerned about with The Matrix 4... even The Matrix Online took a lot of care to preserve Revolutions' ending... but I'm a giant nerd who cares about shit like this lol.
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Post by: Nintex on December 22, 2019, 07:42:19 PM
Kathleen Kennedy will probably resign by January when they're due to announce their next moves with Star Wars. Apparently they have a film lined up for 2022 and of course some Disney+ stuff.
Unless Disney isn't serious about Star Wars or doing new movies, then she'll stay in place. 

JJ can just move on to his Warner Bros. contract signed prior to directing TROS and he won't return for Star Wars.
Neither will the new cast (although a big name director and a big bag of money might convince some otherwise).
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Post by: Boredfrom on December 22, 2019, 07:55:39 PM
Finn could be have been such an awesome character but they relegated him to Uncle Tomfoolery. I dunno why they thought that having another gifted orphan from a desert planet as your main lead was a good idea.
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Post by: Boredfrom on December 22, 2019, 07:58:11 PM
One key fuck up in the star war no one talks about is how daisy Ridley being a posh tart was the wrong choice to play a character who should’ve had loads of ruffian charm.

I think the key fuck up with Rey is that she was too powerful way too early. She basically kicked Kylo's ass in the first movie without even breaking a sweat. So now the whole battle between Kylo and Rey just seems pointless. The outcome seems nothing but a formality. Essentially they tried to appeal to the 'woke' demographic by making Rey super kick ass to the detriment of Rey's overarching character arc. Of course Vader was stronger than Luke at the beginning of the original Stars Wars movies, but they should have made Kylo at least Rey's equal. That said, The Last Jedi did some things that made the relationship between Kylo and Rey in some way interesting. Towards the end of the movie though they managed fuck even that up, so.

Yep. 

But if you call her a Mary Sue you're a misogynist lol.  Total BS. 

And given the reveal in TROS of her true nature, even dumber. 

The issue is more than Mary Sue has become a misogynistic term, not that she is one.  Why call her a Mary Sue when you can say that she was prevented from growing as a character because she started off unreasonably strong?

Legit question: Since when?

Feels that the only people that complain about the term being misogynistic are RE types.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 22, 2019, 08:16:32 PM
Since misogynists started using it to take down any kind of female lead with any kind of significant skill or power.  And since the term is uniformly applied as a pejorative for women.  For example, Dwayne Johnson and Vin Diesel are mary sues in all their movies, but their powers are explainable by their muscle size.
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Post by: thisismyusername on December 22, 2019, 08:25:06 PM
https://twitter.com/meakoopa/status/1208897127037968384

Bless Oscar Isaac, wanted to be a bottom on camera. Disney is like "no, gurl, no. THOTtry isn't in our plans."
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Post by: Boredfrom on December 22, 2019, 08:28:15 PM
Since misogynists started using it to take down any kind of female lead with any kind of significant skill or power.  And since the term is uniformly applied as a pejorative for women.  For example, Dwayne Johnson and Vin Diesel are mary sues in all their movies, but their powers are explainable by their muscle size.

That sounds like Tumblr talking.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 22, 2019, 08:36:05 PM
opps meant to say the term is applied ununiformly as pejorative to women, not 'uniformly'.  In my defense, I'm watching a cam version of the movie right now. 
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 22, 2019, 08:43:48 PM
Rey and Ren tug-of-waring and killing chewy was good.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 22, 2019, 08:45:41 PM
Also, I can't believe the plot is they got a map to map to a super-secret sith planet.  And that first map?  Its a dagger. 
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 22, 2019, 08:48:08 PM
If this was the original trilogy, they would have just busted CP30's head in with a wrench and got the data. 
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 22, 2019, 08:52:37 PM
How does everyone know what sith is?  But in the mandaliorian know one knows what the force or jedi are?
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 22, 2019, 08:55:54 PM
The girl in red with the helmet has a sexy butt.  Hope she doesn't turn out to be an alien or a dude. 
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 22, 2019, 09:07:41 PM
"I'm the spy"  "WHAT"  lol
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 22, 2019, 09:13:45 PM
Halfway through - WTF was the point of TLJ?  To train Rey?  Luke spent like 15 minutes in a swamp and that was good enough, we didn't need a whole movie for that. 
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 22, 2019, 09:16:21 PM
Also, I can't believe the plot is they got a map to map to a super-secret sith planet.  And that first map?  Its a dagger. 

A dagger with a hidden map that lines up with crash wreckage in the middle of an ocean that you can only see from one specific spot of land. Luckily for our heroes, the 40 years of being smashed with heavy waves did nothing to alter the geography and the key lined up perfectly on the first try.

OMG.  like at least have the dagger be a key to device not just find the silly extension and hold it from any old place.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 22, 2019, 09:33:48 PM
I like that no one cares that C3P0 got his mind erased. 
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 22, 2019, 09:39:15 PM
Wait, a single star destroyer can blow up a planet now?  Why did they need death stars then? 
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 22, 2019, 09:53:54 PM
How many times can you do 'the map is destroyed...no it's cool, we had it all along.'
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 22, 2019, 09:57:01 PM
R2 just stuck his probe into C3P0 without consent.  Actually, he explicitly said 'No'. 
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 22, 2019, 09:58:34 PM
"Common buddy, we need you" to Chewy in the tone you would use to talk to a dog. SMH
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 22, 2019, 10:10:32 PM
Plalpy looks cool though
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 22, 2019, 10:27:42 PM
I was fine with it but mostly because it was introduced in the mandalioran and I thought it was fine there. 

edit:  o guess he's bring her back to life, thats maybe not so cool
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 22, 2019, 10:29:47 PM
"Ben?"  sigh
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 22, 2019, 10:31:07 PM
O, wtf, he just space ghosted her.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 22, 2019, 10:35:41 PM
"Well let's find out" - sexy face.    ya that was awkward. 
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 22, 2019, 10:46:39 PM
The movie was a mess.  Each piece might have been good in its own right but there was no overarching logic to anything: the movie flew by the seat of its space magic.  This made everything silly, but it was almost silly in the way I can tolerate movies.  It was a lot better than TLJ, which had no redeemable features.  I also think that had this movie not needed to do all the work of both actually setting up a sequel storyline and concluding it - something that should have been done in TFA and TLJ - then it might have worked as a good movie.  Basically I blame TLJ.  I'm mostly astonished at how bad Disney handled this series - this is a DCCU level fuck up but at least that was trying to follow one person's (crappy) vision.  This was a series made in committee and no one said it was a bad idea.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 22, 2019, 10:50:05 PM
I hope the next series of movies is set 1000 years in the future and made by people who like star wars. 
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Post by: toku on December 22, 2019, 11:06:49 PM
https://twitter.com/beanytuesday/status/1208942473759928320
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Post by: paprikastaude on December 22, 2019, 11:44:12 PM
oh hey this movie was pretty okay with even some awesome bits among the dumb ones. What a twist. lol at anyone expecting this to generate prequel-tier memes in the future.  :lol biggest problem is that it had to handle the poor Disney management/lack of direction leading up to it. Although I gotta say, the "TLJ RETCONNED" narrative is completely overblown. The only thing they cancelled was Rian Johnson's shitty humour, poor use of CG and side characters. I actually like the characters again and would maybe watch more movies with the new ones - unless they are directed by Rian Johnson. :doge
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Post by: paprikastaude on December 22, 2019, 11:54:54 PM
but fuck Disney anyway. The movie apparently has some kind of compulsory tax and costs twice as much as every normal night showing. :neogaf went straight for the cam version with Chinese subs, no shame.
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Post by: Oblivion on December 23, 2019, 12:33:50 AM
saw the movie yesterday. here are some sloppy thoughts i had (SPOILERS, of course):

- the editing was weird as hell. especially in the beginning. we immediately get shots of kylo ren in the middle of battle killing a bunch of random people we have no idea who they are. rey's introduction where she's shown floating and lifting the rocks around her was done with absolutely no buiild up whatsoever. almost everything about the movie's editing was incredibly manic, and there were a LOT of cuts, probably moreso than any SW film.

- trying to build some emotional tension with no pay off whatsoever. two particularly glaring examples were with chewie getting 'killed' and c-3P0 'losing his memory''. in the first case, it could have had some great impact and character development for rey, but then we find out chewie is alive and rey herself finds out chewie is alive not too shortly after. hell, did rey even hug chewie when she saw him again?

then we had the shit with 3PO. that, i thought was also going to be a very important and sentimental moment, only for it to be treated comically when he loses his memory and then once again when he gets it restored. the crew seems sad about what's going to happen for a grand total of 30 seconds and then they just fucking move on! then when 3P0 gets his memory back, literally no one fucking cares! i swear, rey, poe and finn are some of the worst friends ever.

- jumping off of the previous complaint, i also absolutely hated how one of the important subplots in the movie was that 3po refused to translate the inscription on the dagger, so they had to fly over to some different planet so that they could get someone to extract it from his memory. i'm sorry, but come on, that's STUPID! i'm not a fan of self-made conflicts.

- the entire stupid dagger bullshit - one of the things that bothered the shit out of me in TLJ was how finn and rose were looking for this super specialized 'codebreaker', who they wind up never meeting, only to COINCIDENTALLY find some random dude, who just happens to be a hacking genius, in the same cell that they're locked up in. the universe is big, but apparently quite small too.

ROS does something similar where the team comes across the dagger BY COMPLETE FUCKING ACCIDENT. they fell into the sand trap or whatever they called it, and just HAPPENED to be the location to find exactly what they needed. again, small universe! also, very nice that the violent, raging, ocean it was right next to didn't happen to further deteriorate or even move the death star from it's position for over 30 years!

then on top of that, whoever made that dagger, just happened to create a map that (AGAIN) COINCIDENTALLY corresponded perfectly well to the remaining shape of the death star wreckage. i mean, WHAT ARE THE ODDS


- spoiling palpatine in the opening crawl was pretty shitty

- almost all the 'jokes' fell flat. there was barely any laughter in the theater (THANK GOD)

- i don't mind that force healing suddenly showed up out of nowhere, but would it really kill James Cameron to have offered at least some kind of throwaway line to explain what it was and why rey (and kylo) suddenly have that ability?

- while i thought the finn and rose subplot was the worst thing in TLJ, i thought it was pretty fucked up that rose got completely sidelined and relegated to paper pushing

- as someone already mentioned, the scene where the triumphalism for when the backup for the rebellion shows up felt really undeserved. sure, there was the grandiose theme playing, but it felt very flat imo. it SHOULD have been a great scene, but it wasn't. there was some build up to it, sure, but it wasn't particuarly well done, imo.

-  i always enjoy seeing new tech introduced in the SW movies. while i think the star destroyers themselves are cool, just giving them a major powerup is a pretty lazy way to handle things.

- does anyone think this film had any memorable set pieces? again, not to be a broken record, but for all its problems, i thought TLJ absolutely nailed the final battle sequence on crait. there is nothing remotely as memorable imo as luke standing in front of the AT-ATs.

- and i guess the last thing i'll say is that i felt the movie had very few good emotional moments. i mean, maybe the scene with han and ben was good, i'll probably grant that. but that's about it. even with that though, i didn't think there was anything in the movie that was a gutpunch like when luke winked to 3p0 in TLJ.

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Post by: Bebpo on December 23, 2019, 12:43:24 AM
Saw the movie. Was dumb and had some bad choices in the ending and the movie needed to be 3 hours to slow the fuck down the first half which feels like a summary reel, but was passable and don't really get the fan outrage but while I like Star Wars I don't love it or have a dog in the fight.

Like when they started force teleporting material items I was like "is that a thing? Eh, I guess it is" and thought it was a cool little gimmick and used well for the best money shot of the teleporting lightsaber.

I'm fine with the story of the movie for being a dumb star wars movie until the point where Rey and Kylo are side by side about to fight Palpatine. After that the instant KO instead of a fight and then Rey blocks Palaptine to death and Kylo dies just because it's safe all get a hard pass from me. I'd be real curious to read what the other 7 endings they tested were.

In terms of TLJ retcon, I didn't find it retconning but more that I liked what Rian was hinting at with hey it's fucking 2019 and Game of Thrones is the #1 show, fuck black & white Sith & Jedi, let's do something new this trilogy and make a morally grey 3rd choice. They keep even harping about Rey bringing "balance to the force" which only makes sense if the Jedi & Sith are equal either both still alive or both gone, which a creative 3rd choice solution could do, such as keeping Kylo alive and doing something with the 2 of them in a new world future. Or my personal ending I'd have written where Rey kills Palpatine, becomes the ultimate Jedi+Sith entity and then kills herself closing out the Jedi & Sith bloodline feud forever and then story cuts to decades later and kids start getting force powers in a post-jedi/sith world setting up for future movies without the jedi/sith baggage (this is where you can tell I'm not a star wars fan since I think of Jedis as baggage :P)

But then in the end this plays it totally safe. Even though how the fuck does wiping out all the sith and still being a powerful jedi bring balance to the force...

In the end you can tell they wanted to do something with Kylo/Ren but because of the different writers pulling the story differently across the 3 movies you just get bits and pieces and ideas and not a consistent arc. Also as much as I think TLJ is great and Rian did good, the Finn portion of TLJ sucks and Rian totally torpedo'd Finn's character going anywhere sadly from the end of TFA. Most wasted potential part of the trilogy. Dude should've gone from being a brain-washed stormtrooper to something by the end of the trilogy but got the short end of the stick.

Basically I like Empire & TLJ & New Hope. Return of the Jedi is nostalgia and everything else is either ok or bad.
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Post by: Oblivion on December 23, 2019, 01:36:53 AM
holy shit. forget everything i said and just watch this instead:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2zZFtq13c4
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Post by: brawndolicious on December 23, 2019, 02:13:39 AM
I think I enjoyed Suicide Squad more tbh.

Like, the writing had so many flaws in it.


At least we got TLJ, Solo, and Rogue One.
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Post by: curly on December 23, 2019, 03:45:23 AM
https://twitter.com/beanytuesday/status/120894247375992832

I don't care much about Star Wars but this sounds amazing:

https://twitter.com/DemiClemi/status/1208946577043316736
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Post by: Nintex on December 23, 2019, 05:37:03 AM
spoiling palpatine in the opening crawl was pretty shitty
You mentioned Palpatine is the new/old overlord of the Sith and secretly pushed Kylo to be a bad dude for the past 30 years because mind voices and things, but he was never introduced. They just popped in a two sentence explanation in that intro crawl. Like seriously, I know how petty directors can be about only following their vision, but leaving out like five minutes of exposition to show that you don't approve of the previous ending is a really sloppy look and it removed all impact of reintroducing Palpatine.
This line was cut from the movie and shown in FORTNITE  :lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u0ejXC7kFs
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Post by: Uncle on December 23, 2019, 07:16:22 AM
I don't know why everyone has such a hard time accepting the dagger like somebody totally made that shit hundreds of years ago not knowing what the specific design meant, only that it would someday have some specific prophetic relevance

In terms of TLJ retcon, I didn't find it retconning but more that I liked what Rian was hinting at with hey it's fucking 2019 and Game of Thrones is the #1 show, fuck black & white Sith & Jedi, let's do something new this trilogy and make a morally grey 3rd choice.

TLJ retconned its own theme here when it taught luke a lesson to prove him wrong in his own movie, and then refused to let rey join kylo and create a new grey world order, instead returning to the status quo of empire vs rebels
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Post by: Rufus on December 23, 2019, 07:43:47 AM
Cause it's all :trash
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Post by: D3RANG3D on December 23, 2019, 08:07:56 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pAsss_nTlk
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Post by: thisismyusername on December 23, 2019, 08:14:17 AM
*skip ahead like an hour, they're talking about the queerbaiting*

THAT'S RIGHT, JAY!: Nobody would care, so why did Disney need to make a big deal about it?

"Progressive Pandering." Oh they got that right.
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Post by: MMaRsu on December 23, 2019, 08:58:53 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/r6S5FZh/IMG-20191223-WA0001.jpg)
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Post by: Tasty on December 23, 2019, 09:19:31 AM
At least we got TLJ, Solo, and Rogue One.

Eugh, good point :kobeyuck
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Post by: Himu on December 23, 2019, 09:29:58 AM
I like the idea that Rey is palatine's granddaughter but in no way does her line deserve to succeed the Skywalker's.

Imagine if in TLJ Kylo reveals that shes the granddaughter of Palps. After all her dark side exploration and flirting with forbidden magic. "That's right, you've got a history of the dark side in you. At least touch some of it." Which makes Rey a grey jedi.

It would have been truly unique within the franchise

Oh well

Doesn't mean Palps needs to come back or anything but i do like the idea of her being the fruit of his loins.
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Post by: kingv on December 23, 2019, 09:31:02 AM
I feel like TLJ does open up some interesting ideas, but that movie itself and now Rise of Skywalker just does absolutely nothing with those ideas.

The only character with any kind of arc is Kylo Ren, but in general, it’s done really poorly, so it’s hard to care about. And the movies are constantly ruining other characters, which makes it double plus hard to give a crap.

Edit; they also put actual plot point in.... Fortnite?
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Post by: Uncle on December 23, 2019, 12:04:32 PM
https://twitter.com/boobooben/status/1208804494680694784
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Post by: Uncle on December 23, 2019, 12:07:52 PM
I like the idea that Rey is palatine's granddaughter but in no way does her line deserve to succeed the Skywalker's.

technically the palpatine line is the skywalker line

(https://i.imgur.com/bYbtgcm.png)
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Post by: Coffee Dog on December 23, 2019, 12:13:14 PM
I like the idea that Rey is palatine's granddaughter but in no way does her line deserve to succeed the Skywalker's.

technically the palpatine line is the skywalker line

(https://i.imgur.com/bYbtgcm.png)

that at least can be interpreted as a visual metaphor rather than the stupid shit they are clearly intending that to be
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Post by: ToxicAdam on December 23, 2019, 12:59:44 PM
Do you think back in the 3rd century as new books of the Bible were being released, people were having similar reactions as they are to Star Wars?

"WTF, now Jesus can walk on water in this one?" "His mother is a virgin now?!"
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Post by: Uncle on December 23, 2019, 01:09:44 PM
first corinthians is just a bunch of wheel spinning, there was literally no reason for paul to go to canto bight
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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on December 23, 2019, 01:17:28 PM
back in the 3rd century as new books of the Bible were being released...
:larry
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Post by: MMaRsu on December 23, 2019, 01:19:54 PM
Do you think back in the 3rd century as new books of the Bible were being released, people were having similar reactions as they are to Star Wars?

"WTF, now Jesus can walk on water in this one?" "His mother is a virgin now?!"

"These stories just get dumber and dumber each time they put out a new one"
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Post by: Himu on December 23, 2019, 01:36:37 PM
Do you think back in the 3rd century as new books of the Bible were being released, people were having similar reactions as they are to Star Wars?

"WTF, now Jesus can walk on water in this one?" "His mother is a virgin now?!"

:lol
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Post by: ToxicAdam on December 23, 2019, 01:58:45 PM
back in the 3rd century as new books of the Bible were being released...
:larry

My Bible history is rusty. The third century is when all the "chosen books" were coalesced into the New Testament by Bishop Whatshisname.

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Post by: Himu on December 23, 2019, 02:09:57 PM
back in the 3rd century as new books of the Bible were being released...
:larry

My Bible history is rusty. The third century is when all the "chosen books" were coalesced into the New Testament by Bishop Whatshisname.

You're kinda right. The 200's was when they were building a religion around it. Lots of books were written during that like some of the Gospels. Before then they mostly had Paul's letters. This was also the time when church figures like Origen were around trying to define what Christianity was and wasn't before there was an established true canon.
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Post by: team filler on December 23, 2019, 02:52:58 PM
44 min into RoS. everytime fin talks I fee like he's about to say "we ride together, we die together" or some fast n furious quotes about being a family :doge
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 23, 2019, 03:22:54 PM
That's 'Ride or die'
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 23, 2019, 03:35:07 PM
If there is one thing I can say about the Bible, its that it's nice that you need fewer tie-in novels to understand the whole thing than starwars. 
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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on December 23, 2019, 03:42:18 PM
If there is one thing I can say about the Bible, its that it's nice that you need fewer tie-in novels to understand the whole thing than starwars.
it was really annoying when the protestant reformers got the IP and then immediately nixed the hellenistic judaism universe, then went back and just appended those books to the back of the OT anyway
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 23, 2019, 03:53:24 PM
I was a big fanboy back when the Unification cross-over event was running but then it got to the end and everything just went back to the status quo. 
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Post by: MMaRsu on December 23, 2019, 05:34:30 PM
Can we make memes for all religions
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Post by: Himu on December 23, 2019, 05:41:10 PM
Couldn't get into the christianity universe tbh. Their merchandising game is weak.

what is there to not like about wwjd
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 23, 2019, 05:46:19 PM
Or an aged-out cool young dude in a bondage scene done out in wood. 
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 23, 2019, 10:15:31 PM
Couldn't get into the christianity universe tbh. Their merchandising game is weak.

You should check out some the EU books, like The Book of Mormon.
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Post by: Tasty on December 24, 2019, 09:09:18 AM
"We won" by losing? :confused
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 24, 2019, 09:48:36 AM
"We won" by losing? :confused

Official motto of the Democratic party.
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Post by: ToxicAdam on December 24, 2019, 10:12:03 AM
I think people are too critical of Kathleen Kennedy (on the internet).

The casting was good, the movies looked great, she hired competent directors and gave them the space to do their own thing. She brought on "old hands" (Kasdan, John Williams, etc) to help out with the new movies. She responded to criticism of the fans and tried to fix it in each successive movie. First one was too much like a reboot, so they tried to go a different way in the second one, then when that failed they give the average Star Wars fan more than they could ever want in the third.

I think people look at the rare examples of success (LOTR, Harry Potter, Infinity Wars) of big franchises and assign that same kind of expectations on Star Wars. Not accounting for the dozens of dozens of other wanna-be franchises that bombed or were wildly uneven. Plus, the successful ones were running off of existing established frameworks/storylines. This universe didn't have that, so of course it was going to feel like they were making it up as they went along.  Because they were.



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Post by: Tasty on December 24, 2019, 11:36:08 AM
"We won" by losing? :confused

Official motto of the Democratic party.

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory :jeb
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Post by: Nintex on December 24, 2019, 12:30:41 PM
I think people are too critical of Kathleen Kennedy (on the internet).

The casting was good, the movies looked great, she hired competent directors and gave them the space to do their own thing. She brought on "old hands" (Kasdan, John Williams, etc) to help out with the new movies. She responded to criticism of the fans and tried to fix it in each successive movie. First one was too much like a reboot, so they tried to go a different way in the second one, then when that failed they give the average Star Wars fan more than they could ever want in the third.

I think people look at the rare examples of success (LOTR, Harry Potter, Infinity Wars) of big franchises and assign that same kind of expectations on Star Wars. Not accounting for the dozens of dozens of other wanna-be franchises that bombed or were wildly uneven. Plus, the successful ones were running off of existing established frameworks/storylines. This universe didn't have that, so of course it was going to feel like they were making it up as they went along.  Because they were.
That's the thing Kennedy always brings up, that there wasn't enough source material.
However, George Lucas said in the 'hand off' interview with 'Kathy' that he had given her a treasure of comics, stories, notes, movies, scripts and everything in between so she could continue to tell the stories.
She simply choose to use none of it something that Lucas didn't like.

Disney also brought themselves in a pinch by doing all these Star Wars rallies and acting like everyone in on it is simply perfect.
Every actor is perfect for the role, every writer the biggest genius and every director is possibly the best man for the job. Even if they have to switch directors and CGI dead actors.
George was much more truthful in that regard and could go back and say: "Oh well, guess this or that didn't work out the way we expected".
Disney shut the door to an 'adult' conversation like that. So JJ and Rian have to pretend they both made the greatest movie ever and neither of them felt like their styles didn't quite match.
I think the opening BO would've been higher if they had shown that they had 'learned' something from the TLJ debacle. Only the actors who had just finished their last movie in the contract(or ever, in case of the old timers) are willing to do that.

Ironically the company they picked for their games has the same problem. Every project is the best thing ever (Anthem cough cough) and when it bombs they can't go back to say it was experimental.
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Post by: Nintex on December 24, 2019, 02:09:31 PM
Well that "we have nothing to draw from" is obviously bullshit as they've used a ton of EU stuff in the new canon and movies. I'm not really sure why they want people to think that, but nearly everything that's been done with the canon post Disney has been done or is direct adaptations as is of the old EU stuff.
She literally said this in an interview last month:

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“Every one of these movies is a particularly hard nut to crack,” said Kennedy. “There’s no source material. We don’t have comic books. we don’t have 800-page novels, we don’t have anything other than passionate storytellers who get together and talk about what the next iteration might be. We go through a really normal development process that everybody else does.”
:dizzy

And they even used a TOY for the poster. What was that toy based on Kathy?  :hmph
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Post by: Uncle on December 24, 2019, 02:32:32 PM
and while a lot of EU is horrible bullshit, so are a lot of comics, and marvel successfully navigated that minefield

pick and choose the best ideas from EU and refine them, look at which bits were best received by fans and critically acclaimed, just like with marvel
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 24, 2019, 02:50:27 PM
Ya, that's the thing, you have decades of work you just have to read and figure out how to adapt to a movie format.  Instead, they paid people millions to be so arrogant to think that they could just ignore everything and do it themselves.  It's like early comic book movies where the only homeword the writers seemed to have done is just read character summaries.
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 24, 2019, 03:07:15 PM
Outside of Leia and Han's kid going bad?
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Post by: team filler on December 24, 2019, 04:00:30 PM
finally get the franchise away from lucas and this is what they do with it  :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf

all they really had to do was have mark hamil be a badass jedi master, all I wanted to see out of a new star war  :picard
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Post by: BIONIC on December 24, 2019, 04:19:48 PM
finally get the franchise away from lucas and this is what they do with it  :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf

all they really had to do was have mark hamil be a badass jedi master, all I wanted to see out of a new star war  :picard

(https://whyevolutionistrue.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/m6qeczs6glx6xkrgxlvi.gif)

:lucas #SubvertedExpectations :lucas
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Post by: Coffee Dog on December 24, 2019, 05:34:54 PM
that shot of luke drinking the milk like a slob is more entertaining than anything involving the new protagonists in the whole trilogy :goty2
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Post by: Bebpo on December 24, 2019, 05:47:57 PM
I actually thought Luke was fucking badass in TLJ.
He can be badass & a grumpy old man jerk at the same time.

Pretty much had the best material in the new trilogy.
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Post by: Boredfrom on December 24, 2019, 05:50:48 PM
 :kermit
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Post by: TVC15 on December 24, 2019, 06:00:11 PM
I rewatched TLJ right before the awesome TROS. My final bullet points.

* The Rey/Luke/Kylo stuff is mostly really good.
* The other plot stuff is all terrible. The difference in quality is vast.
* Finn and especially Poe got done so dirty. What a waste of promising characters.
* The humor problem with this film has not been overstated. Call it marvel humor or whatever you want, the humor here is jarringly placed and usually doesn’t land right
* This movie has a lot of fat on it. Unneeded incidental scenes and sequences that just feel like padding. I guess they could repurpose that time to set up the emperor’s glorious return when they do the special editions.
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Post by: Uncle on December 24, 2019, 06:33:52 PM
biggest dogshit is when the movie is already way overstuffed and they have the audacity to keep introducing new characters

of whom it sounds like only babu frick has landed

poe's girlfriend literally just added to sell a toy, same with lando's probably-daughter

I even thought rose was terrible in the last film but they could've cut those characters and given anything they did to rose instead so we don't have to introduce yet more characters who get one minute of development
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Post by: TVC15 on December 24, 2019, 06:39:09 PM
I was no fan at all of Rose’s story in TLJ but even I thought how she was treated in TROS was shitty. You bothered to introduce this character, at least give them a death or something.
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Post by: Oblivion on December 24, 2019, 08:02:33 PM
Do you think back in the 3rd century as new books of the Bible were being released, people were having similar reactions as they are to Star Wars?

"WTF, now Jesus can walk on water in this one?" "His mother is a virgin now?!"

one of the most mindblowing things to me was finding out that the new testament basically said to ignore everything in the old testament

i mean, i know "religion lol" and and all, but even then, that's some masterful trolling by god


* The humor problem with this film has not been overstated. Call it marvel humor or whatever you want, the

no joke (ha, get it??), there was probably a grand total of two, MAYBE three times the audience in my theater laughed (for both movies)

made me regain a tiny bit of faith in humanity  :rejoice
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Post by: thisismyusername on December 24, 2019, 09:50:35 PM
I was no fan at all of Rose’s story in TLJ but even I thought how she was treated in TROS was shitty. You bothered to introduce this character, at least give them a death or something.

https://twitter.com/ScandalousMurph/status/1208631910638989313

https://twitter.com/cushbomb/status/1208627943955718145
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Post by: Boredfrom on December 24, 2019, 09:58:23 PM
Being fair, they should have tell them that they suck during the filming of the Last Jedi and kicked them out of the production. Would have made a better world to us and them to live on.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 24, 2019, 09:58:42 PM
They should have just Rogue One’d everyone at the end of this movie.
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Post by: Boredfrom on December 24, 2019, 10:05:24 PM
I was laughing the hell out at the end of Rogue One. Rocks fall and everyone dies and you are supposed to fell emotional about this like it was earned.
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Post by: Oblivion on December 24, 2019, 10:55:39 PM
the scene with the dude with the british accent who got blown up and gave that 'sheeeeeeeeeeit' look on his face seemed super goofy to me, but was supposed to be very dramatic i guess?
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Post by: Oblivion on December 24, 2019, 10:56:58 PM
also, it looks like i'm super out of the loop when it comes to star wars corporate lore, but i thought james cameron was always supposed to come back to direct ROS. did that only happen cause disney was unhappy with rian johnson?
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Post by: Boredfrom on December 24, 2019, 11:02:02 PM
James Cameron?  :doge
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Post by: Oblivion on December 24, 2019, 11:04:46 PM
dammit

jj abrahams. sorry, i get them confused all the time

edit: wait, is that even the right guy too? whoever the hell did both tfa and ros dammit
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 24, 2019, 11:07:24 PM
jj abrahams

:dead
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 24, 2019, 11:10:31 PM
Joss Weden is the director you are looking for.
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Post by: Oblivion on December 24, 2019, 11:13:12 PM
jj abrahams

:dead

:fbm
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 24, 2019, 11:47:33 PM
Colin Trevorrow [the Jurassic World guy] was originally supposed to do ROS, but got yeeted because they realized he was actually terrible.
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Post by: Coffee Dog on December 25, 2019, 10:47:43 AM
I was no fan at all of Rose’s story in TLJ but even I thought how she was treated in TROS was shitty. You bothered to introduce this character, at least give them a death or something.

I thought the solution was going to give her a scene where she blows some troopers or droids the fuck out with a rifle for cheap likeability points. It's so transparent to just have the other characters tell her to sit at the base and stay the fuck out of the film.  :lol
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Post by: Don Rumata on December 25, 2019, 11:28:01 AM
Colin Trevorrow [the Jurassic World guy] was originally supposed to do ROS, but got yeeted because they realized he was actually terrible.

It would be hard to fuck things up worse than what Rian or JJ did.

If he made a big dumb action Star Wars that was fun and remotely coherent on any level - even if stupid - that would be better than this nuclear dumpster fire.
Dude, the idiot was thinking about shooting scenes in space... like, real space.
That's how Galaxy Brain that guy is (or i mean, just look at his Jurassic World movies).
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Post by: thisismyusername on December 25, 2019, 12:18:29 PM
Colin Trevorrow [the Jurassic World guy] was originally supposed to do ROS, but got yeeted because they realized he was actually terrible.

I actually liked Jurassic World, as dumb as it was. Fallen Kingdom is where things got dumb (IIRC he did that one as well) because of the whole "we need to sequel bait, make it obvious we're trying to make this a universe!" by Universal.
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Post by: Nintex on December 25, 2019, 06:28:54 PM
Watched TFA in anticipation of The Rise of Skywalker this friday.
There's a lot to like in that movie and even if you know what happens in the next film it is just a very fun film in general to watch.

- Rey and Finn form a great team together #FINNREY4LIFE
- Han Solo is given quite a big role in this movie and he works well as a mentor for Rey/Finn
- The structure of the film is rather simple, not a lot of threads to follow just a nice Roller coaster ride from point A to point B
- The design of everything except Maz (she seeems to be a refugee from TPM) is great in this film. The newly painted X-wings, Starkiller Base, the wrecks on Jakku, all very well executed
- Despite all the good stuff in some ways it is too simple and straightforward. Would've been nice if there was some more adventuring along the way or some of the challenges were bigger (especially for Rey) but it's hard to find a scene in this movie not focused on the plot
- It's very weird that despite all these 'emotions' in the film, no one seems to care much that TFO just blew up the Republic, killing millions or billions(?) like at all, I believe only 3CPO seems somewhat worried about having lost the fleet  :doge
- Unlike in Battlefront 2 and TLJ the First Order is comically stupid in this. To the point that you start to wonder how this band of fuckups ever managed to get such a destructive weapon and army operational

If all goes as planned The Last Jedi is up for tomorrow  :doge
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Post by: shosta on December 26, 2019, 12:38:26 AM
I'm now done with all six Lucas films.

Empire Strikes Back has the distinction of being an entire order of magnitude better than every other film. It was even better than I remembered it. Both Han getting frozen and "No, I'm your father" hit pretty hard. I'm flabbergasted that this got mixed reviews when it came out. It's simply a perfect a movie.

Return of the Jedi by comparison is actually just as bad as I remember it. The pacing is all wrong. The only redeeming aspect of it was Luke's final confrontation with the Emperor, and even that dragged on too long. It's a bottom tier kid's movie (as opposed to the others which are regular kids movies).

Final ranking: 5 >> 3 > 1 > 4 > 2 >> 6

Will watch the Disney films next.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 26, 2019, 01:15:43 AM
I've never been down with Return hate. The movie itself has this super cool 80s asthetic. It looks really gritty in a way none of the others do. The begining is really cool. Jabba's palace is so atmospheric in its dinginess and feels like a cool portion of Star Wars that we parley see. The first action scene is such a cool "getting the gang back together" sequence. I love it. Luke is super cool in this part of the movie. The assault on the Death Star 2 is the the definite Star Wars space battle. All of the Luke stuff is great.

Yeah the Ewoks bring it down, but I still feel there's plenty of cool stuff and great character moments. I like it a lot.
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Post by: shosta on December 26, 2019, 01:23:41 AM
All good points but the bad parts drag it way down for me. Flattest acting in the original trilogy, superfluous additions (did Leia really have to be Luke's sister?), mostly subpar action. If they had cut 40 minutes out of this film it might have actually been a good movie.

I think part of it is that I've watched a star wars movie every night for a week because my mom wants to feel more American and I just want it to be over already. And by it I mean my life
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 26, 2019, 01:32:04 AM
Yeah I can't imagine watching Star Wars thinking about it from an angle beyond "this was a part of my childhood". I mean my family(my mother and sister) don't give a shit about it so I guess that fact stopped me from thinking it was something everyone liked.

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Post by: Uncle on December 26, 2019, 06:53:40 AM
shosta: it's a bottom tier kid's movie

rahx: post that calls it "cool" 6 times

I don't know who to believe  :notlikethis
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Post by: Coffee Dog on December 26, 2019, 10:18:52 AM
Putting return under any of the sequel films or prequel films is basically trolling.  :lol

Even if you say that the only good part of the movie is Luke's storyline/the confrontation with Vader, that's still a lot more good than any of the others have. It also has the benefit of nailing the single most important lynchpin elements in its climax (compared to TLJ, the other 33% film in the series, not really accomplishing much with its quality content other than getting Luke to sudoku in public)
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Post by: mormapope on December 26, 2019, 03:43:30 PM
Also, Luke with a green lightsaber in all black is some sexy shit.
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Post by: toku on December 26, 2019, 04:36:37 PM
You want a super cool 80s aesthetic you watch cherry 2000 not return of the fucking jedi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR542tQhXJo
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 26, 2019, 04:58:41 PM
Nah....I’m still going to watch Return of the Jedi. It’s totally cool.
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Post by: toku on December 26, 2019, 05:03:48 PM
Cool
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Post by: Nintex on December 26, 2019, 05:16:18 PM
So it went as planned and TLJ was seen. Fully prepared for TROS now but first...

- TLJ looks great, it's a pretty movie to watch with excellent shots
- The intro sets up the stakes pretty well, the Resistance is really in a pinch so up to that point the plot makes sense
- All elements that bring it down are introduced within the same 5 or 10 minutes.
-> Finn meets Rose
-> Skywalker tells Rey he won't train her
-> Holdo becomes the new leader
- The movie could've been easily 'fixed' at certain points, the scene where Luke enters the Falcon for example. It ends with him saying to R2 he's not going to help. Would've been perfect if at that point he realized he should help
- The Casino scenes were even worse than I remember. I had forgotten all the CG aliens stomping about and the heroes never interacting with the Master Code breaker
- Some things that to me would be a big deal to certain characters (such as the revelation to Finn that the company that supplies the Tie's also supplies the X-Wings to the Resistance) are never brought up again, if I was Finn I would have some serious questions
- The movie sometimes forgets to use the correct terms, the Resistance/Rebellion are mixed (while in TFA it was consistently 'Resistance')
- Finn's sacrifice is probably the most wasted opportunity of this film, would've given him a complete arc and Finn dying would have an effect on Rey too
- The movie has two endings.
-> The first ending is when Rey and Kylo defeat Snoke and Rey escapes, while Holdo blows up the Star Destroyers with a Light speed sacrifice
-> The second ending of course, the scene with the salt planet and the ending of the film
- Obviously the 'first ending' is great. In fact, the second ending was totally unnecessary. There was no need for Luke to confront Kylo or the rebels to be at a shitty base waiting for their doom. Not to mention with their fleet in tatters,
the First Order wouldn't have been able to so easily attack the new rebel base.
- The first ending seems to be part of a different movie than the second ending or vice versa.

Second ending could work if Kylo and Hux would disagree on strategy and in the end Kylo decided: "Fuck all this, I'll take them out myself" and he headed out alone or with some of his loyalists as a Sith super soldier, while Hux tries to get the First Order back into fighting shape as a plan B. Knowing that the Resistance only has a few ships, very few weapons and no Jedi (except for Leia, who is no match for him) Kylo could've done that. Lo and behold, when he arrives to kill the remaining rebels, hopelessly held up in a base Luke appears to save Leia and they fight..... However you write this though, there's a big piece of motivation missing for Kylo to not just assume control of the First Order but also continue Snoke's plan. Especially after his 'Let the past die' lecture to Rey.

So if we divvy up the film in segments
Intro: B (this could've been JJ's work, just 'classic' Star Wars)
Mid: E- (this is where the film falls apart completely and even gets boring at times)
Ending 1: A (possibly the best sequence in the entire movie is Rey facing down Luke and all she does next, while the heroes try to execute their plan, the plan not working is actually a surprise that works well)
Ending 2: D (this doesn't work at all so the movie doesn't end on a high note bringing it down a notch)

Hard for me to say if TLJ is worse or better than AOTC. AOTC sucks but some of the reasons why it sucks are fairly inoffensive compared to TLJ.
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Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 26, 2019, 05:28:53 PM
Here’s why the prequels are better  :pimp

George Lucas created some of your fondest childhood memories, so therefore he has the right to fuck them up  :salute

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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 26, 2019, 05:37:08 PM
Putting Clones above ANY movie is grounds for having your opinion mocked.
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Post by: TVC15 on December 26, 2019, 05:39:44 PM
You want a super cool 80s aesthetic you watch cherry 2000 not return of the fucking jedi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR542tQhXJo

This looks amazing! Can’t believe I’ve never heard of it. Is it actually worth watching or is it boring?
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Post by: Nintex on December 26, 2019, 05:40:05 PM
Well, one thing that sucks about AOTC is the Anakin/Padme plot that was dragged out.
Which, unlike writing Luke Skywalker into a ditch is pretty inoffensive.

AOTC is mostly just a dull snore fest.
When you put a gun to my head I'd probably prefer to watch TLJ over AOTC.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 26, 2019, 06:00:00 PM
The making of doc for AOTC looks like Hayden and Natalie actually have chemistry on and off screen and Hayden is actually a solid actor and Lucas took the absolute worst takes for every scene and that's what he used in the movie.

I still remember a bit from the doc regarding a scene where Padme and Anakin are standing silently side-by-side and then Padme turns around and leaves. Lucas thought the scene was missing something so instead of reshooting the scene he just digitally tweaked Anakin's hand to where it reaches out to touch Padme's hand. I feel like this says a great deal about how he directed his actors.
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Post by: Don Rumata on December 26, 2019, 06:06:10 PM
The making of doc for AOTC looks like Hayden and Natalie actually have chemistry on and off screen and Hayden is actually a solid actor and Lucas took the absolute worst takes for every scene and that's what he used in the movie.
Having watched AOTC, ROFT, Jumper and that movie with Jessica Alba where he wakes during surgery... he could've fooled me.
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Post by: Nintex on December 26, 2019, 06:21:43 PM
I think George especially after TPM realized they couldn't catch lightning in a bottle with Star Wars again so he just had to make the movies he wanted to make the best he could.
That and the sales of everything Star Wars during the prequel era were great so no financial stress. During the creation of TPM a lot was riding on the success of that movie.

One of the reasons he sold everything to Disney was partly the financial burden on LucasFilm to again produce a movie trilogy in an increasingly difficult market.
He didn't think it was fair to those that worked there to put the company on the line.
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Post by: Tasty on December 26, 2019, 07:08:08 PM
Also, Luke with a green lightsaber in all black is some sexy shit.

Am I the only one that associates Luke way more with his green lightsaber than his first blue one (Anakin's)
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Post by: toku on December 26, 2019, 07:31:31 PM
You want a super cool 80s aesthetic you watch cherry 2000 not return of the fucking jedi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR542tQhXJo

This looks amazing! Can’t believe I’ve never heard of it. Is it actually worth watching or is it boring?

Goofy more than anything. Same guy who did Miracle Mile and it's got a similar silliness to it.
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Post by: TVC15 on December 26, 2019, 07:38:49 PM
I remember Miracle Mile being pretty fun. Might have to rewatch that and give this a spin. Thanks for the interesting rec.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 26, 2019, 10:16:55 PM
This looks amazing! Can’t believe I’ve never heard of it. Is it actually worth watching or is it boring?

It's worth watching.

(https://i.imgur.com/HP9i1MV.gif)
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Post by: shosta on December 26, 2019, 11:31:31 PM
Putting Clones above ANY movie is grounds for having your opinion mocked.
This is America. People died for my right to have an opinion and if that means I want to rank Attack of the Clones above Return of the Jedi you just have to deal with it.
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Post by: Don Rumata on December 26, 2019, 11:52:32 PM
Putting Clones above ANY movie is grounds for having your opinion mocked.
This is America.
This is the Bore, there are no rights. :'(
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Post by: chronovore on December 27, 2019, 12:10:05 AM
I've never been down with Return hate. The movie itself has this super cool 80s asthetic. It looks really gritty in a way none of the others do. The begining is really cool. Jabba's palace is so atmospheric in its dinginess and feels like a cool portion of Star Wars that we parley see. The first action scene is such a cool "getting the gang back together" sequence. I love it. Luke is super cool in this part of the movie. The assault on the Death Star 2 is the the definite Star Wars space battle. All of the Luke stuff is great.

Yeah the Ewoks bring it down, but I still feel there's plenty of cool stuff and great character moments. I like it a lot.

The last time I watched it, I enjoyed it more than I'd remembered, but those damned Ewoks really are a cheap, obvious marketing ploy.
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Post by: Momo on December 27, 2019, 12:28:57 AM
https://youtu.be/3uDwjIBR9s4
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 27, 2019, 12:31:51 AM
Cool
It's really just despite it having the Ewoks, to me as a kid Return has also had a different look then the other movies. I'd describe it as dirty honestly. Jabba's palace is pretty dingy looking. The rebel alliance looks really run down even more so then the other movies. I don't know it's always looked more "mature to me".

When I said 80s, I also meant like it's got that 80s film stock look. I guess I was talking about the texture and effects.

I've been watching it a lot because I have a copy of Project 4k83 and since their work looks like literal film stock it's just been on my mind.

https://imgur.com/gallery/Sw6iGFL
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: Potato on December 27, 2019, 04:04:14 AM
Saw it. First half was a appallingly bad with weird logic, even for a Star Wars movie. Second half was better, but I was glad when it was over.

So many wasted characters. What were Poe and Finn even doing in this trilogy?

The whole First Order thing was so badly conceived from TFA and then just got more convoluted and more stupid as shit went on. If they were going to go with Palpatine as the villain, then they should have not bothered with Snoke (another wasted character).

The story should have started with Kylo as Luke's Padawan and getting turned by Snoke the end of TFA, then there would have been some payoff at the end. As it was, there was no sympathy/empathy for Kylo at all, even when he was redeemed.

The whole story group should be taken out the back and shot.
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: Himu on December 27, 2019, 04:18:29 AM
Do you think back in the 3rd century as new books of the Bible were being released, people were having similar reactions as they are to Star Wars?

"WTF, now Jesus can walk on water in this one?" "His mother is a virgin now?!"

one of the most mindblowing things to me was finding out that the new testament basically said to ignore everything in the old testament

i mean, i know "religion lol" and and all, but even then, that's some masterful trolling by god


* The humor problem with this film has not been overstated. Call it marvel humor or whatever you want, the

no joke (ha, get it??), there was probably a grand total of two, MAYBE three times the audience in my theater laughed (for both movies)

made me regain a tiny bit of faith in humanity  :rejoice

It's more like,"oh hey, most of our converts are non-jews."

"Make them jews then."

"They...they don't like the whole circumcision thing. Also, they view Jesus as literal God."

And then you make two different sects, one grows more than the other until one almost dies out, and then the big non-jew one becomes the default and immediately starts persecuting Jewish-Christian sects because to deny Jesus' divinity became a heresy.

But yes, religion lol
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: Himu on December 27, 2019, 04:22:20 AM
I've never been down with Return hate. The movie itself has this super cool 80s asthetic. It looks really gritty in a way none of the others do. The begining is really cool. Jabba's palace is so atmospheric in its dinginess and feels like a cool portion of Star Wars that we parley see. The first action scene is such a cool "getting the gang back together" sequence. I love it. Luke is super cool in this part of the movie. The assault on the Death Star 2 is the the definite Star Wars space battle. All of the Luke stuff is great.

Yeah the Ewoks bring it down, but I still feel there's plenty of cool stuff and great character moments. I like it a lot.

Still my favorite Star Wars even if Empire is objectively better
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: Himu on December 27, 2019, 04:27:25 AM
All good points but the bad parts drag it way down for me. Flattest acting in the original trilogy, superfluous additions (did Leia really have to be Luke's sister?), mostly subpar action. If they had cut 40 minutes out of this film it might have actually been a good movie.

I think part of it is that I've watched a star wars movie every night for a week because my mom wants to feel more American and I just want it to be over already. And by it I mean my life

There is absolutely nothing in the prequels as good as this

https://youtu.be/U1MnMA0TzGI

This is Star Wars at its height. Nothing in the franchise gets better than this. Empire is a better movie but Jedi had better moments.

Luke Skywalker tempted to cross the dark side, choosing not to, and Vader redeeming himself IS the penultimate star wars scene and nothing can change my mind.

GOAT.
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: Tasty on December 27, 2019, 01:11:29 PM
https://screenrant.com/star-wars-calendar-system-changed-yavin-starkiller-incident/

Disney:

:nope BBY

:ohyeah BSI
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 27, 2019, 02:03:03 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f38a6pYL_jE

:jeb
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: Tasty on December 27, 2019, 03:35:23 PM
Shout out to Disney for making a sequel trilogy to Star Wars that resets the universe to what it was before the end of ROTJ so they could make 3 movies that ends with the same ending as ROTJ.

And make $3.973 billion (and counting) in the process :ohyeah :success
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: Tasty on December 27, 2019, 03:40:18 PM
Yeah, JJ sucks. His best movie, Super 8, was a straight Spielberg rip off. Which in a weird way could work, since if he just straight rips off OG Star Wars people would eat it up and not care.

:bow Wrath the Prophet :bow2
Title: Re: How bout that Star War huh?
Post by: Tasty on December 27, 2019, 03:43:17 PM
Why does everyone think that Abrams is doing the entire trilogy?

Man I kinda wish I had seen what that had been like...

The language in a lot of posts suggests people think he's doing more than one movie though.

:heyman Narrator: "He did."
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: Tasty on December 27, 2019, 03:44:02 PM
Man what a fucking whacky timeline we ended up in.
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: OnlyRegret on December 27, 2019, 03:50:34 PM
(https://i.redd.it/ctfuv3qu17741.png)

https://twitter.com/liz_franczak/status/1210649002821079040
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 27, 2019, 05:47:38 PM
DISNEY REMAKE SEQUEL TRILOGY PLZ
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: shosta on December 27, 2019, 06:06:11 PM
Putting Clones above ANY movie is grounds for having your opinion mocked.
https://twitter.com/shujaxhaider/status/1210371110866444288
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 27, 2019, 07:27:48 PM
Mando is a bit of a chubster.  Think he just keeps the helmet on from embarrassment. 
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 27, 2019, 07:39:10 PM
Just realized how weird it is that droids often can understand common speech but can't speak it.  This has got to be a class/slave thing.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 27, 2019, 07:42:01 PM
That was a very uneven episode. 
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on December 27, 2019, 08:56:21 PM
Went to see The Rise of Skywalker

- The start of the movie is a mess. JJ was left with NOTHING after TLJ, so he retcons everything and sets up a new plot in the first 20 minutes. Just let it happen and wait for it to get better
- Scene after the scene is bombarded on screen at a breakneck pace (member kylo, member rey, member leia, member finn) the epilepsy warning at the start of the film made sense  :doge
- Luckily it slows down a bit after all the plot points are in place and from that point forward it becomes enjoyable
spoiler (click to show/hide)
- The plot is fairly simple, all the characters must find the secret Sith planet with a hidden fleet of Star Destroyers being prepared to destroy the Galaxy
- Hux being the spy makes no fucking sense considering he set off the events in TFA, his sole motivation is to make Kylo lose(?)
- Rey's heritage makes sense in a way but Palpatine's plan doesn't
- Palps sends Kylo to kill Rey, while in fact near the end we learn he wants her to strike him down so she can become the empress. Kylo nearly succeeded in killing her if it wasn't for Leia, so why was Palps so sure it would go as he had foreseen (especially when he says he had not foreseen Leia intervening)
- The various locales and planets our heroes rush through are pretty neat
- Unlike TLJ all the character interactions in the movie work well. It's great to see Finn and Poe team up again with Rey
- Rose needs to look at some schematics or some shit, lmao JJ you wrecked Rian  :lol
- Lando is handled surprisingly well
- The death of Chewie was another 'cheap' Disney cop-out? Not to mention the lack of reaction of the other dudes that Rey just seemingly killed him "Wasn't your fault you blew him up with lightning Rey", errr it was
- In fact, none of the main characters seem to die except Leia who dies because she talked to Kylo? Why did she have to die?
- The battles are really well done. The saber battle between Kylo and Rey is very well executed, as is their rivalry throughout the film
- The massive space battle at the end is massive but doesn't always feel that way, especially when the back-up fleet arrives. At some points the flaming Star Destroyers just drop from the sky for no real reason(?)
- Why are thousands of Palps followers sitting in a stadium, what where they waiting for, why are they sitting there?
- Kylo vs. Palps is laughable
- Rey vs. Palps is neat, would've been better if they also had a lightsaber fight
- Kylo being dead and suddenly not dead and then dead again is weird and stupid, either the fall killed him or it didn't
- Finn suddenly 'feeling' the Force seems weird? Is he a Jedi or not? This is never followed up on but the signs point to yes
- Rey is a Skywalker, I liked that it actually works on 3 levels:
1: Leia/Luke in a sense are Rey's adoptive parents
2: She completely removes the Palpatine name from the Galaxy by using Skywalker instead
3: Her kids, should she have them, are Skywalkers too, continuing the Skywalker family name(which died with Ben) instead of Palpatine
- Kinda weird that no one in the film really elaborates why Palps is such a powerful/scary motherfucker, especially to those who weren't around in the last war
- Overall it feels like this movie should've been TLJ+TROS instead of just TROS. Leia training Rey is just making up for the fact that Luke never did. It even goes as far as to have Luke say: "I was wrong and made a mistake" when Rey decides to seclude herself
- In a way this bring Star Wars full circle. Anakin Skywalker was manipulated by Sheev to not be the Jedi he was destined to be but to join the Sith instead. Rey Palpatine was manipulated by Leia/Luke to not be the Sith she was destined to be but join the Jedi instead.
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You can watch this without having seen any previous Star Wars films, it's kinda weird for a 'finale' in that sense.
Overall I liked it much better than TLJ but I think TFA was better paced and balanced. In terms of spectacle this takes the cake (how can it not with 100+ Star Destroyers). 
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 27, 2019, 09:09:48 PM
You can watch this without having seen any previous Star Wars films, it's kinda weird for a 'finale' in that sense.

This is a pretty astute and damning summery of the new trilogy. 
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on December 27, 2019, 09:19:00 PM
I fucking hate to say this, but I kind of want to read the novelization and see if there are ways this story makes more sense. The dagger and hidden tomb treatment felt like JJ Abrams making a play to be able to handle the Indiana Jones reboot we all know must be coming.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on December 27, 2019, 09:25:37 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
- In a way this bring Star Wars full circle. Anakin Skywalker was manipulated by Sheev to not be the Jedi he was destined to be but to join the Sith instead. Rey Palpatine was manipulated by Leia/Luke to not be the Sith she was destined to be but join the Jedi instead.
[close]

I like this part the most out of everything you posted.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on December 27, 2019, 09:27:30 PM
I fucking hate to say this, but I kind of want to read the novelization and see if there are ways this story makes more sense. The dagger and hidden tomb treatment felt like JJ Abrams making a play to be able to handle the Indiana Jones reboot we all know must be coming.
The story isn't that far fetched actually. It's just that in the previous movie about 3 things happened and in this movie about 40 things happen within the span of 30 minutes.
It felt like that first LEGO movie with just shit happening at mach speed. It's like all previous Star Wars movies thrown in a blender and combined to make whatever this is.

They also don't bother to explain anything. Light speed jumping wtf is that, how do the TIE's follow along with light speed jumping?
Why does it work better than just jumping to light speed and escaping?
Before you can ask yourself about 20 different new things have happened.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on December 27, 2019, 09:31:09 PM
I fucking hate to say this, but I kind of want to read the novelization and see if there are ways this story makes more sense. The dagger and hidden tomb treatment felt like JJ Abrams making a play to be able to handle the Indiana Jones reboot we all know must be coming.
The story isn't that far fetched actually. It's just that in the previous movie about 3 things happened and in this movie about 40 things happen within the span of 30 minutes.
It felt like that first LEGO movie with just shit happening at mach speed. It's like all previous Star Wars movies thrown in a blender and combined to make whatever this is.

They also don't bother to explain anything. Light speed jumping wtf is that, how do the TIE's follow along with light speed jumping?
Why does it work better than just jumping to light speed and escaping?
Before you can ask yourself about 20 different new things have happened.

Yeah, unless Discount Empire First Order started putting hyperdrives in their TIEs, there is no sense to this. I'd post that they were so close that they were caught in the Falcon's "hyperspace wake" — but that's also me making shit up on the fly.

The trouble is, JJ Abrams is an enthusiastic filmmaker, but he doesn't care when he breaks shit. One of the Trek films, maybe his first, he has transporters beam across SYSTEMS to plant the team on that Klingon planet. It's fucking crazy, and he doesn't care.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on December 27, 2019, 09:41:31 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Luke, the most powerful Jedi Master couldn't figure out someone was hiding in a cave beneath a sinkhole?  :doge

Palps, who keeps an eye on basically everything never wondered where his spy/bounty hunter might've gone and never tried to recover the ship?

Palps, who ran the First Order from the shadows, didn't figure out right away that this weird sensitive force girl from Jakku his army was chasing in TFA was actually his granddaughter who was last seen on Jakku?
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Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: Tuckers Law on December 27, 2019, 10:26:39 PM
I saw the new Star War.  I liked it well enough.   :idont

Maybe now they got all the skywalker shit out of the way they can make actually good movies.

I think you mean just ultimate. Unless you think there's a better scene than that.
Cindi meant penultimate because Yub Nub  :rejoice

https://youtu.be/DXpmunmG5ss
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on December 28, 2019, 01:05:53 AM
Some really stupid shit from the movie/trilogy:


spoiler (click to show/hide)
Why does the dagger line up with the death Star wreckage and why was Rey standing in just the right spot to line it up?


In 6 previous movies, no one ever mentioned that Palpatine had a child.


Who/why was Snoke?


Where did Luke training Leia come from? No one mentioned that before as far as I'm aware.
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Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 28, 2019, 02:16:02 AM
It was ok. I enjoyed it.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Uncle on December 28, 2019, 08:34:43 AM
was looking through this tweet

https://twitter.com/Hectorisfunny/status/1210216613712220160

this dude is hilariously aggro  :umad

https://twitter.com/Hectorisfunny/status/1210234470978199553

https://twitter.com/Hectorisfunny/status/1210259075088470017

even people who would be on his side are annoyed because "saving what you love" invokes the tired old trope of a woman needing a love interest

https://twitter.com/oneawkwardgeek/status/1210224503252553730

or trying to let him down easy by saying ehhh jettison rose and just have it starring kelly marie tran because rose is "limited"  :lol

https://twitter.com/adamhlavac/status/1210322982666530816



one of his tweets led me to this article

‘Star Wars’ merch accused of removing Rose Tico from designs (https://www.dailydot.com/parsec/wheres-rose-star-wars/)

Fans are asking, #WheresRose?

https://twitter.com/JennyENicholson/status/1180209933154840576

https://twitter.com/JennyENicholson/status/1180413188761780225

yeah let's just uh photoshop that out  :neogaf

wait I've got a solution guys you can print out this rose yourself and slap her on anything you like

https://twitter.com/padmesdresses/status/1180154476314759168

#charactersaved
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: VomKriege on December 28, 2019, 08:55:22 AM
             RoseGate ?
           /
 :isthis
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 28, 2019, 10:11:14 AM
lol this movie was a fucking mess but goddamn I enjoyed it all the same.  It felt like fan fiction

Complete waste of what TLJ established but eh. 

TFA: 7/10
TLJ: 8.5/10
ROS: 6/10
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Himu on December 28, 2019, 12:27:37 PM
Yub nub :rejoice
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on December 28, 2019, 12:42:20 PM
TROS is perhaps the biggest contrast between Disney Star Wars and Lucas prequel Star Wars.
It's just shit flying on screen at light speed while AOTC was mostly about people sitting around and talking and even in action scenes it found moments to pause for dialogue.

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/hrMOrhDdhO05kiH8gn/giphy.gif)

(https://whimsicalmutterings.files.wordpress.com/2019/03/aotc-end.gif)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on December 28, 2019, 02:08:28 PM
Read some stuff about how they were still editing and cutting things from TROS days until it was released.

Apparently the scene in which Ben Solo dies is reversed and actually shows him being revived by Rey.
There's also shots of Rey talking to dying Ben and you see her mouth moving but the dialogue has been removed.
There's also scenes with Hux, Pryde and Kylo cut from the film.

Expect a ton more to leak now that it is released.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Coffee Dog on December 28, 2019, 02:18:13 PM
I really like Mandalorian, even if it doesn't blow me away. It feels very much like a diet Genndy Tartakovsky project, with the economy of dialogue. I just wish it had his eye for scene composition or his willingness to really slow down.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on December 28, 2019, 02:23:17 PM
I sort of envision Jon Favreau's mailbox with 3000 unread emails from various Disney executives saying:

"This looks pretty good but shouldn't we speed it up?"
"Where are the light sabers?"
"We just finished up CG Leia for TROS, would you like to include her in your project?"
until it escalates to:
"URGENT: JON WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE MANDALORIAN"

Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Uncle on December 28, 2019, 02:23:19 PM
TROS is perhaps the biggest contrast between Disney Star Wars and Lucas prequel Star Wars.
It's just shit flying on screen at light speed while AOTC was mostly about people sitting around and talking and even in action scenes it found moments to pause for dialogue.

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/hrMOrhDdhO05kiH8gn/giphy.gif)

(https://whimsicalmutterings.files.wordpress.com/2019/03/aotc-end.gif)

this contrast reminds me exactly of this contrast from plinkett (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f83D18xL7VE&feature=youtu.be&t=3241)

(https://i.imgur.com/xVxT9zD.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/QYI2iuW.png)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tuckers Law on December 28, 2019, 02:33:17 PM
That’s because any emotional nuance (ham-fisted as it could be) that Lucas tried to infuse in the movies was lost in its transition over to Disney.  It’s all surface-level “oh we are having fun yes?” types of action.  It’s the same difference between movies with car chases that have meaning behind them and movies that are only concerned if the car chase looks cool; the chases with meaning always stand out more over time.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Himu on December 28, 2019, 03:33:17 PM
TROS is perhaps the biggest contrast between Disney Star Wars and Lucas prequel Star Wars.
It's just shit flying on screen at light speed while AOTC was mostly about people sitting around and talking and even in action scenes it found moments to pause for dialogue.

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/hrMOrhDdhO05kiH8gn/giphy.gif)

(https://whimsicalmutterings.files.wordpress.com/2019/03/aotc-end.gif)

this contrast reminds me exactly of this contrast from plinkett (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f83D18xL7VE&feature=youtu.be&t=3241)

(https://i.imgur.com/xVxT9zD.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/QYI2iuW.png)

Why I can't help but laugh any time I read someone compare Last Jedi with Empire.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: kingv on December 28, 2019, 06:49:07 PM
https://twitter.com/jennyenicholson/status/1180216378281717760

Lol. Rose was legit replaced on the official poster with the stupidest looking alien in all 9 movies that had like 30 seconds of screen time.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 28, 2019, 07:45:42 PM
NGL I can see why Rose fans are salty.

That said, I still cannot see why they stan such a character except as a dishonest purity test marker.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on December 28, 2019, 08:12:52 PM
Rose was hardly a character in TLJ so no wonder they didn't bring her back in TROS.
What exactly is there to 'stan'? The only characters that had a real arc this trilogy were Rey and Kylo Ren/Ben Solo and maybe Luke and Leia.
There was hardly a character arc for Finn or Poe. They were just tagging along for the ride. Same with the bad guys, Hux, Pryde, whatever other First Order shouting man existed.
It was all background noise.

JJ made sure Kerri got millions and good PR out of this film though. Guess they need someone (anyone) to do Star Wars bits with the late night show hosts now that Daisy, Isaac and Boyega are done with Star Wars.  :lol
https://twitter.com/FallonTonight/status/1210968656399814657 (https://twitter.com/FallonTonight/status/1210968656399814657)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 28, 2019, 09:51:46 PM
Lol. Rose was legit replaced on the official poster with the stupidest looking alien in all 9 movies that had like 30 seconds of screen time.

Still more screen time than she got.  :'(
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 28, 2019, 11:29:57 PM
That said, I still cannot see why they stan such a character except as a dishonest purity test marker.

I mean, that's basically all pop culture discourse on the internet these days.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 28, 2019, 11:46:43 PM
To be fair, instead of creating a new pointless underdeveloped character they should have just used Rose.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: thisismyusername on December 29, 2019, 12:09:10 AM
Imagine giving that much of a shit about a throwaway character who had a hotter sister that died in the first five minutes of the second terrible film. Jesus.

Like it's terrible that they white-washed her out of merchandise, but I can understand why: 1) Fans hate her, for better or worse 2) her products under sold mostly because of #1 to where they had a shit ton of toys featuring her sent back/clearances/destroyed and probably secretly 3) the actress asked because she's probably over Star Wars like the main 3 are at this point due to harassment so she wants nothing to do with it and her contract is up.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 29, 2019, 12:25:25 AM
It's kind of funny how people who made fun of TLJ haters on Snoke getting wasted are now complaining about wasting Rose.

The only good tweet in that mess is the dude who said Kelly Marie Tran should look for much better work cause star wars has the trashest fanbase alive and Rose as a character wasn't her fault nor should it define her. Hopefully instead of just tweeting her image with a crown emoji Rian Johnson casts her in one of his good movies next time.

TLJ hater here, who both hates snokie and thinks Rose's treatment was fine: she was too fat to have a story arch. 
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: kingv on December 29, 2019, 01:03:21 AM
Kelly Marie Tran is actually pretty hot in real life, but Roses character design is awful.

She looks dumb, and her bangs are dumb, and her biggest part is to be a major player in the worst sub plot of the new trilogy. It’s really shit.

And of course he mercy sold bad. She’s a dumb looking character with bad hair, and regular ass clothes and a stupid hat that doesn’t do fuck all cool in the entire trilogy.

If Disney expected her to sell well they are fucking nuts.

Finn too really. The Finn action figures sat on the shelf for a long ass time, because he’s just a guy in a jacket.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on December 29, 2019, 06:48:30 AM
What the wokies don't understand is that Rose was never about representation but profit.

Disney released TFA and it bombed in Asia even after they removed Boyega from the posters.
So like all movie studios, they figured that if they would have Asians for advertising and signage for the next movie it would increase Box office returns in China and other parts of Asia.
Plus they would get less bad PR from scrubbing Finn from the posters. Someone, probably Rian came up with the idea of two sisters. Disney could get two token Asian characters for the price of one, hurrah!
So they set out to cast a pilot and a mechanic and succeeded in doing so. A big hit in China was all but assured!

But then Rian made the film and it sucked and if 90% of the movie was good, no one would've cared that Rose was underdeveloped as a character.
In the clusterfuck of TLJ however, Rose became an issue and fans were looking for any reason as to why the film sucked.

For the next movie JJ was stuck with this albatross. She's not part of the main cast (and even they, outside of Rey and Kylo have very little to do at this point) and the side characters he needed were mostly 'guides' on other planets.
So what do people like? Bounty Hunters and former storm troopers are cool. Even better if she's the daughter of Lando but the actor that plays him can not pull off such scenes at his age anymore. So let's not dwell on that.
Rose however earned her place on the base, next to Leia, no longer just a mechanic but more of an intelligence officer. She gets to be in the movie, so JJ won't get lynched but he doesn't have to bother writing a plot for her.

Rose is lucky that she isn't dead, because for most of the sub plots they picked the easy way out
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- How to do the reunion between Ben and Leia? -> Just have Leia die before that can happen
- How will Hux be redeemed and his rivalry with Kylo end? -> Just kill him ASAP
- What about the dude that killed Rey's parents? -> Already dead
- How will Leia/Luke cope with the fact that Rey is a palpatine? -> They always knew
- What will Poe do afterwards? -> His love interest just rejects him so he can be leader
- What about Finn/Rose? -> Pat on the back
- Poe's arc is complete, he's now the resistance leader, what about Finn? -> Make him leader also
- Even with Palps destroyed, how to free the rest of the Galaxy from the first order? -> Suddenly the Galaxy rises up and Star Destroyers fall out of the sky

THE END
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Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 29, 2019, 10:29:54 AM
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Rose is lucky that she isn't dead, because for most of the sub plots they picked the easy way out

I can easily see Plinkett breaking it down exactly like this.

Oh man he has so much material with TROS. :lol :lol :lol And he gets to do a moratorium on the Sequel Trilogy / Disney era as a whole.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: MMaRsu on December 29, 2019, 10:51:49 AM
Was Rose in TFA? I don't even remember her
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 29, 2019, 12:34:37 PM
Was Rose in TFA? I don't even remember her

Nope, introduced in The Last Jedi.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: MMaRsu on December 29, 2019, 01:04:04 PM
Ah ok, so it makes sense Idgaf cause I dont even know her

(Does she have an interesting story or is it just an asian female in star wars lets make something out of this from the fans?)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Coffee Dog on December 29, 2019, 01:11:41 PM
Ah ok, so it makes sense Idgaf cause I dont even know her

(Does she have an interesting story or is it just an asian female in star wars lets make something out of this from the fans?)

Nobody had an interesting story in the last jedi, especially rose. People just like the actress and feel bad she had to deal with so much shit
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tripon on December 29, 2019, 02:40:39 PM
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/d/d5/TLJ-DJ-Movie-no.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20171123160931)

People complain about Rose being marginalized, but DJ didn't even show up in ROTS.

Man, this was such a shitty character.
Title: Re: The Star War is dead. Long live the Star War! [pbuh]
Post by: Tripon on December 29, 2019, 02:49:13 PM
I think I enjoyed Suicide Squad more tbh.

Like, the writing had so many flaws in it.

  • You mentioned Palpatine is the new/old overlord of the Sith and secretly pushed Kylo to be a bad dude for the past 30 years because mind voices and things, but he was never introduced. They just popped in a two sentence explanation in that intro crawl. Like seriously, I know how petty directors can be about only following their vision, but leaving out like five minutes of exposition to show that you don't approve of the previous ending is a really sloppy look and it removed all impact of reintroducing Palpatine.
  • In the quicksand, JJ revealed in a QA session that Finn wanted to "confess" that he's force sensitive. Not that he's in love with Rey or that he regrets almost being a deserter or anything like that. I think that they focus-tested how an interracial thing would be received and had to change it at after that scene was filmed. Might explain why the other woman who helps with the horseback raid was black. But then like Billy Dee Williams wants to feel like a man again so they hint that he wants to bang her. It's pretty fucking contrived.
  • Why the fuck would she call herself Skywalker when she meets Luke's old ass auntie? That is the peak of entitlement.

At least we got TLJ, Solo, and Rogue One.

I thought that was hinting that Lando was her dad or granddad. Or maybe they were doing doing a tongue in cheek incest joke.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 29, 2019, 03:55:54 PM
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/d/d5/TLJ-DJ-Movie-no.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20171123160931)

People complain about Rose being marginalized, but DJ didn't even show up in ROTS.

Man, this was such a shitty character.

When I saw TLJ in theaters I thought it was a given DJ would be brought back and die horribly in the next one. Like, that seemed to be the obvious setup and character arc. And honestly I'd feel so much more catharsis if he died versus Phasma.

(Who fucking cares if she lives or dies? There were rumors she survived TLJ like she did TFA ("oh she just got better") and it really says something that that was one thing no one cared about when TROS started leaking.)

JJ subverted the expectations Rian Johnson gave me!
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: kingv on December 29, 2019, 04:21:09 PM
Re-Introducing old boy in the scrawl was definitely the dumbest thing in all 3 movies.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 29, 2019, 04:44:45 PM
Re-Introducing old boy in the scrawl was definitely the dumbest thing in all 3 movies.

Having his announcement exclusively in Fortnight was dumber, but I agree it's close.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: kingv on December 29, 2019, 05:28:58 PM
If you call palpating old boy you don’t break spoiler law. :doge

I’m not going to fix that autocorrect as with it I’m still not breaking spoiler law.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Trent Dole on December 29, 2019, 07:36:39 PM
Saw it. Wasn't terrible. :yeshrug
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 29, 2019, 07:39:57 PM
Saw it. Wasn't terrible. :yeshrug

This could apply to any of Disney's SW films, you'll have to be more specific. I'm assuming Rise of Skywalker?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tuckers Law on December 29, 2019, 07:53:03 PM
Watched all of The Mandolorian and enjoyed it a lot.  Give Favreau the Star Wars franchise I say, he understands it more than any of the other executives.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 29, 2019, 07:59:25 PM
https://www.inverse.com/article/62009-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers-hidden-dialogue-rey-kylo-ren-reylo

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/eetirx/the_scene_where_ben_dies_is_actually_reversed/

https://twitter.com/_blackdiam0nd/status/1209247663587315714

https://mobile.twitter.com/chelkyn/status/1208677149852364811

:curious Original ending may have been Ben surviving and him and Rey burying the sabers together. Would also make sense why they didn't have any Ghost footage for him to be next to Luke and Leia (nor test footage I guess since that's what they used for Hayden in ROTJ.) They probably filmed the theatrical scene with only Rey a week before the film released or something.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 29, 2019, 08:03:25 PM
"JJ, Reylo acceptance in the Star Wars fanbase just decreased from 51% to 49%. So you gotta make Ben die at the end now."

"But the movie comes out next week-"

"GET TO WORK, HO-HO!" (https://i.imgur.com/R7FNwYy.jpg)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: kingv on December 29, 2019, 08:35:19 PM
That would have been a better ending and tied better into the ending.

Rose could have dug the hole! With DJ!
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 29, 2019, 10:04:54 PM
Just no.

Like these movies  are "bad" and have flaws in such a different way then the prequels.

But the prequels are so sterile, boring to watch, poorly acted, also written poorly, horribly paced, somewhat pointless, confusingly structured, and so on.

These movies at least look like actual movies and have actual acting in them. Not preenderd cutscenes with supposed actors thrown into them.


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Also I don't even think the Sequel trilogy is bad. Certainly not great. Poorly thought out. And never as ambitious as anything George did.
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Like I was thinking about TROS vs The Last Jedi. TROS is such a typical modern blockbuster. Typical third act battle where heroes have a vague goal that will cleanly destroy all of the enemies, have some complications arise, typical scenes where it looks like they may lose, and then bam help arrives and they destroy the one thing that defeats everyone for whatever reason.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tripon on December 29, 2019, 10:09:05 PM
The prequels are better than these movies btw

I never watched the prequels ( I might have watched half of ep 2 on TBS when I needed something in the background), but feel like I need to go watch them know just to figure out how Palpatine is an immortal and when his
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son comes from.
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Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 29, 2019, 10:14:34 PM
I mean I can't disagree with all that....
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: shosta on December 29, 2019, 10:16:29 PM
I never watched the prequels ( I might have watched half of ep 2 on TBS when I needed something in the background), but feel like I need to go watch them know just to figure out how Palpatine is an immortal and when his
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son comes from.
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I have some bad news.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on December 29, 2019, 10:35:44 PM
You know it's funny that of the year's two big long running Disney franchise "bookend" blockbusters, inverse of how they were received The Star War leaves its universe in a better place than Endgame did. The great thing about JJ's plots is that you can just up and ignore them and nobody will care since he never did, look at how Beyond ignored the fact that JJ destroyed all of Starfleet twice in two films and nearly started two individual wars with the Klingons. Simon Pegg knew he could basically throw all this out from the word go and not have to deal with it because the films never did in the first place.

You can start a new Star War today and have Jedi and Sith all start popping up again because JJ did nothing to stop the balance being brought to The Force that ROTJ was seen as doing. He just kicked the timeline ahead 30 years and had it be Rey instead of Luke. You can start a new Star War trilogy that ENDS with the Jedi and Sith returning even, because Rey can be fucking off like Luke did, only nobody cares enough to track her down. The galactic power balance outside of The Force was also reset to where it was at the end of ROTJ, the First/Final Order is BTFO and now all the "rebel" groups can simply not immediately align into a Republic for Leia to leave to start a PMC. Sure, the movies sucked, but it doesn't really do anything to The Star War universe as a whole. So while Disney is currently semi-scared about flooding the market, all the ideas they were pursuing can still be done by just having people ignore this trilogy or the trilogy of trilogies. The one guys who left were going to do KOTOR themed/timed stuff, no problem. The rumors about Rian wanting to do a series set far away from the main galaxy stuff, no problem again. That Hutt series rumor, again can be done without any problems. Whatever Kevin Feige is doing is likely unaffected especially since he probably knew the ROTS plot from reading it on Reddit. Every "Star War story" film idea works still even if they're scared because they spent literally ten billion dollars on shooting Solo twice.

Disney actually lucked out here because JJ has essentially saved them from their original long term business mistake (as much as making only $5 billion since then can be a mistake) of trashing the EU and wanting to start nearly entirely fresh but now with tie-in works being at the same level as the films and narratively as important. Not from a perspective of how the EU is so valuable to the lore but simply because it's provided years of thousands of hands providing thousands of explanations, plots, scenarios, characters, etc. to mine by those higher tiered up in the canon. Even Lucas admitted to using it for reference in the prequels so he wouldn't have to rewrite or create things from scratch. Had he gone and made his sequel trilogy of Whillis and everything else you would have had all those hands turning it into shit that made sense that somebody else could come along and build off of for the mainstream. IIRC, Lucas again was referencing the EU for his sequels and was trying to avoid decanonizing certain stuff regarding Luke even though the Lucas-tier was always dominant. I think Disney during this "re-evaluation period" for Star Wars is going to realize what Marvel, Paramount, DC, Marvel, and Marvel all did about their same plans and start rolling that back and inserting stuff back into a canon timeline that actually will probably end up with the EU stuff being elevated to a higher tier than it was under Lucas because conglomerates only understand one franchise model at a time apparently. (The fact that they commissioned a new Thrawn trilogy, something that would only appeal to people who read the original, feels like an indication that the original is going to find itself back in the timeline between ROTJ and TFA now that the films are out of the way.)

The MCU is probably never, ever, going to explain or deal with how the world dealt with half the universe returning to life, five years later, and the trauma this should cause. It won't matter one bit from a financial standpoint because the X-Men are coming. The MCU however exists, outside the canon formally but tiered, within a franchise with thousands of hands creating those thousands of scenarios and plots to mine.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 29, 2019, 10:40:03 PM
Honestly Solo is probably the best of the Disney movies

It really is and sadly I didn't watch it until recently due to how shit 8 was.  I would have taken a Solo trilogy over what we got in a heartbeat. 


The MCU is probably never, ever, going to explain or deal with how the world dealt with half the universe returning to life, five years later, and the trauma this should cause.

This is a pretty silly thing to expect.  It was already a theme in Far from home and we will probably see it in Wandavision (at least the Vision being dead dead), the next ant man and proably hawkeye tv show. 
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Trent Dole on December 29, 2019, 10:45:04 PM
Saw it. Wasn't terrible. :yeshrug

This could apply to any of Disney's SW films, you'll have to be more specific. I'm assuming Rise of Skywalker?
Uh, yeah. The new one.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 29, 2019, 11:33:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmxv2ySbLZc

:leon
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 29, 2019, 11:34:31 PM
Honestly Solo is probably the best of the Disney movies

It really is and sadly I didn't watch it until recently due to how shit 8 was.  I would have taken a Solo trilogy over what we got in a heartbeat. 


The MCU is probably never, ever, going to explain or deal with how the world dealt with half the universe returning to life, five years later, and the trauma this should cause.

This is a pretty silly thing to expect.  It was already a theme in Far from home and we will probably see it in Wandavision (at least the Vision being dead dead), the next ant man and proably hawkeye tv show. 

They're honestly "dealing with" the 5 year thing more than I expected and more than I wanted. Took me out of Spider-Man several times.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on December 29, 2019, 11:36:36 PM
This is a pretty silly thing to expect.  It was already a theme in Far from home and we will probably see it in Wandavision (at least the Vision being dead dead), the next ant man and proably hawkeye tv show. 
Totally do not care about the heroes who know what happened/died in battle/their successors, and probably shouldn't count TV shows either after they done my girl Jessica dirty, but I would look forward to anything that shows the very slowly rebuilding ruins of Earth, emotionally ruined families and collapsed societies. I figured that they would just do a bunch of space/magic movies and then come back to Earth already back to normal without explanation.

What I'm saying is that they should totally adapt the last storyline of Astro City's regular run for a Disney+ show which I would pirate. Also, they should release The Snyder Cut.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Boredfrom on December 29, 2019, 11:40:55 PM
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This is a pretty silly thing to expect.


That kinda of ruin the emotional  impact of that film, doesn’t it.  :doge

Tony Stark’s death was more traumatic to the universe than half of the people vanishing and coming back 5 years later.

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  It was already a theme in Far from home and we will probably see it in Wandavision (at least the Vision being dead dead), the next ant man and proably hawkeye tv show.

Did you... did you just contradicted your own initial statement?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on December 29, 2019, 11:41:03 PM
a Disney+ show which I would pirate
FACT CHECK: It's copyright infringement. :ufup
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: shosta on December 29, 2019, 11:43:24 PM
ITT: benji pitches for Marvel's The Leftovers
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Boredfrom on December 29, 2019, 11:46:32 PM
The Leftovers is not even the first franchise to do it first.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 29, 2019, 11:47:10 PM
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This is a pretty silly thing to expect.


That kinda of ruin the emotional  impact of that film, doesn’t it.  :doge

Tony Stark’s death was more traumatic to the universe than half of the people vanishing and coming back 5 years later.

Eh not following. Most critiques I've seen of Endgame is the dour first third dealing with the ramifications of the snap, and comparing it unfavorably to the pacing of Infinity War.

The heroes at the end got a big boost and thought they were gonna win. Then the hero most central to everything sacrifices himself. I can see why his friends would be bummed out. In relative screentime terms, they did Black Widow dirtier than the snapped people and Tony. But she's getting her prequel movie now so I guess it worked out.

Also, it's not like they showed the "world" mourning Tony like they easily could have done. He had a pretty small funeral all things considered for a billionaire playboy philanthropist superhero. :idont

(Also if you really want a groan, look up the kneeling scene which they mercifully cut from the theatrical cut.)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on December 29, 2019, 11:50:02 PM
You da real Snyder Cut, benji. Everybody keeps asking for you to show up but with each passing day I doubt your existence.
And not knowing me allows us to pretend I'm not awful. :jeb
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Boredfrom on December 29, 2019, 11:53:19 PM
I have not watched Infinity War or Endgame.  :awesome

I’m just saying this because everyone seems to be in love with Infinity War and affected by Endgame even when Trailers from Spider Man far from home act like half of the people returning to live after 5 years is less traumatic than Tony Stark dying.

So I supposed that Marvel did a decent to admirable job with this movies while in the end deciding: “But never mind Scorsese opinions, get Hyped for new merchandise”.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 30, 2019, 12:05:14 AM
Did you... did you just contradicted your own initial statement?

How so?  Also the world isn't acting like Tony dying is more important than everyone else blipping, its Peter who is, which makes complete sense.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on December 30, 2019, 12:06:08 AM
Leia having to bail out and form a PMC and effectively destroy the New Republic as half of it goes over to the First Order because of stupidity like this all because it was revealed she's Darth Vader's daughter is pretty hott political lore though. Shame they didn't include any of it in the movies before Carrie Fisher died.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Boredfrom on December 30, 2019, 12:09:54 AM
Did you... did you just contradicted your own initial statement?

How so?

You just said that it was foolish to expect any reaction while mentionining reactions in the Spiderman film and you expecting reactions in the Disney+ stuff.  :doge
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: shosta on December 30, 2019, 12:12:07 AM
Leia having to bail out and form a PMC
because of your participation in certain other threads I keep reading this as "professional managerial class"
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 30, 2019, 12:12:20 AM
So did the 7/10 Rogue One end up being the best Disney Wars movie somehow?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Boredfrom on December 30, 2019, 12:13:10 AM
No
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tripon on December 30, 2019, 12:13:47 AM
So did the 7/10 Rogue One end up being the best Disney Wars movie somehow?

I mean, it introduced a set cast of new characters, decently paced, had a somewhat logical plot, had a scary version of Vader, and killed them all off. Solo movie couldn't even do that.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 30, 2019, 12:17:48 AM
I mean I guess, I think they all have been decent/ok movies. With Rise being the most questionable one. But at the same time, plenty of people's criticisms have a point. I feel it just up to how tolerable you are of the obvious problems.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on December 30, 2019, 12:17:49 AM
つ ◕_◕ ༽つ  Release the Edwards Snyder Cut of Rogue One.  つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Boredfrom on December 30, 2019, 12:18:23 AM
So did the 7/10 Rogue One end up being the best Disney Wars movie somehow?

I mean, it introduced a set cast of new characters,

And everyone is dead.

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decently paced


It was boring until people shoot lasers.
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a somewhat logical plot,

The dialogue was terrible. The monologue that whatwashername used to convince the Rebels to... ugh... "rebel" was worse than most stuff from the prequels.

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a scary version of Vader,

Oh, yeah, Vader was in the movie, just like CG face carrie fisher...

Why the fuck Vader and Carrie Fisher were in the movie?

Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 30, 2019, 12:19:16 AM
Did you... did you just contradicted your own initial statement?

How so?

You just said that it was foolish to expect any reaction while mentionining reactions in the Spiderman film and you expecting reactions in the Disney+ stuff.  :doge

No, that was benjipwns position which I was arguing against.  Miss reading posts and not being able to follow simple MCU stories in a single post is a bad look. 
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 30, 2019, 12:19:17 AM
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Why the fuck Vader and Carrie Fisher were in the movie?
? This is the like the one thing to not complain about.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on December 30, 2019, 12:21:13 AM

It was boring until people shoot lasers.
Hi, welcome to Star Wars.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on December 30, 2019, 12:21:48 AM
In retrospect it's disappointing that Norman Reedus wasn't in Rogue One.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Boredfrom on December 30, 2019, 12:23:54 AM
No, that was benjipwns position which I was arguing against. 

 :doge


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Miss reading posts and not being able to follow simple MCU stories in a single post is a bad look.

 :gurl :comeon :juicy

Come on dude, this is not my first dance...
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Boredfrom on December 30, 2019, 12:25:34 AM
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Why the fuck Vader and Carrie Fisher were in the movie?
? This is the like the one thing to not complain about.

What does them being in the film add to the plot or the themes of that film beyond "member star wars?".
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: thisismyusername on December 30, 2019, 12:26:22 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmxv2ySbLZc

:leon

They literally stop each others lightsabers from stabbing each other with the force?  :foodcourt :heh
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on December 30, 2019, 12:27:11 AM
I admit I have not seen Far From Home and forgot about it and that one is supposed to be in "Phase Four" and also that I thought it was set before Endgame like Homecoming was set before Civil War or whatever it came after. How much Michael Keaton is in it?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Boredfrom on December 30, 2019, 12:30:20 AM
Quote from: Benji
The MCU is probably never, ever, going to explain or deal with how the world dealt with half the universe returning to life, five years later, and the trauma this should cause.

Quote from: MarySueIsOffensive
This is a pretty silly thing to expect.  It was already a theme in Far from home and we will probably see it in Wandavision (at least the Vision being dead dead), the next ant man and proably hawkeye tv show.

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This is a pretty silly thing to expect.

 :doge

Dude, you already won the actual argument with Benji (and proving us wrong) just by virtue of you watching the actual film and knowing that stuff is actually deal with it. Why pretend I misread your post and you didnt made a argumentative mistake?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: thisismyusername on December 30, 2019, 12:34:25 AM
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This is a pretty silly thing to expect.


That kinda of ruin the emotional  impact of that film, doesn’t it.  :doge

Tony Stark’s death was more traumatic to the universe than half of the people vanishing and coming back 5 years later.

Being fair: Tony Stark's death is more impactful in that film because we've seen Tony for seven+ movies and years. So watching him "die" hurts more than the 1trillion+ universe(s) "death"/dusting.

I doubt MCU, being a popcorn film series, is going to heavily explain the dusting (they "died," but did they die-die or did they just go off to another universe/realm like after-life????) or the impact of that at the ground-level.

As much as that would be an interesting film (and Far from Home sort of explores it, but not too deeply), it probably isn't an interesting enough film for Marvel and the box office to actually explore beyond comic books/tie-ins to the films.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tripon on December 30, 2019, 12:35:53 AM
I admit I have not seen Far From Home and forgot about it and that one is supposed to be in "Phase Four" and also that I thought it was set before Endgame like Homecoming was set before Civil War or whatever it came after. How much Michael Keaton is in it?

From memory: Far from Home is the last Phase 3 movie partly made to set up Phase 4. It is set after Civil War, and after Infinity War, and Endgame. They reference the 'Snap' (Thanos killing off half the universe) and people coming back and it's mostly played for laughs in the first 5 minutes, and don't show the effects while they're actually in Europe. I do not believe Michael Keaton is in it.

Also, I think Martin Starr is a Skrull. Also, Martin Short.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/JEQO9wRWOY0/maxresdefault.jpg) (https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2019/05/martin-short.jpg?w=1000)
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Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 30, 2019, 12:36:45 AM
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Why the fuck Vader and Carrie Fisher were in the movie?
? This is the like the one thing to not complain about.

What does them being in the film add to the plot or the themes of that film beyond "member star wars?".
The whole movie is "remember star wars". A movie with a slavish attention to recreating the look of the original trilogy and having elements that fit into some unmade puzzle.  Why would adding elements for continuity to establish that this leads right into Episode 4 be a problem. I mean the movies point was "how did they get the Death Star plans".

Its not a story that needed to be told, but might as well show everything since you are doing it.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Boredfrom on December 30, 2019, 12:40:12 AM
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Why the fuck Vader and Carrie Fisher were in the movie?
? This is the like the one thing to not complain about.

What does them being in the film add to the plot or the themes of that film beyond "member star wars?".
The whole movie is "remember star wars". Why would adding elements for continuity to establish that this leads right into Episode 4 be a problem. I mean the movies point was "how did they get the Death Star plans".

Well, that is probably why I was laughing my ass off when everyone started dying and was mostly irritated with the film not being over and having Vader killing some people.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 30, 2019, 12:40:37 AM
benji said they will probably never deal with the ramifications of the blip.  I said this was a silly thing to expect given the supporting evidence that 1) it was already a minor part of a movie already out and 2) the next set of tv shows and movies seem like they will deal with this.   There is no contradiction there. 
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: BIONIC on December 30, 2019, 12:41:01 AM
9 > Rogue One > Solo > Watching TVC fetish videos > 7 > 8
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Boredfrom on December 30, 2019, 12:46:52 AM
benji said they will probably never deal with the ramifications of the blip.  I said this was a silly thing to expect given the supporting evidence that 1) it was already a minor part of a movie already out and 2) the next set of tv shows and movies seem like they will deal with this.   There is no contradiction there.

Why say “is a silly thing to expect” when you could say “you are wrong, here are the examples”. It sounds more like you being dismissive of Benji wanting to see the ramifications of the snap until you suddenly remembered that the ramifications of the Snap was a minor part of the new spider man film and the shows can deal with unimportant side stuff like half of the universe population  being gone for five years.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on December 30, 2019, 12:53:15 AM
benji said they will probably never deal with the ramifications of the blip.  I said this was a silly thing to expect given the supporting evidence that 1) it was already a minor part of a movie already out and 2) the next set of tv shows and movies seem like they will deal with this.   There is no contradiction there. 
Wait, do they actually call it The Blip in Far From Home? That's fucking hilarious if they're going to refer to it as that from now on. :lol
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 30, 2019, 12:53:35 AM
Why say “is a silly thing to expect” when you could say “you are wrong, here are the examples”.

Because it depends on what he means by being dealt with.  Spiderman might not sufficiently deal with the issue to fully support the argument and the tv shows are not out yet.

It sounds more like you being dismissive of Benji wanting to see the ramifications of the snap until you suddenly remembered that the ramifications of the Snap was a minor part of the new spider man film and the shows can deal with unimportant side stuff like half of the universe population  being gone for five years.

I have no idea why you got that from what I said - nothing I said should lead you to thinking this.  I could watch 10 movies just dealing with snap stuff.

edit:  Did you think that what I said meant it was silly to expect the MCU to deal with the blip?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: shosta on December 30, 2019, 12:53:37 AM
It feels like about time for something to come out of left field and take the world by storm. And yet considering the monopoly disney has on the market, the over-reliance on brands of past success still being a thing, and how much of filmmaking has moved to streaming I dunno if that is even possible or matters.
it's time for the Shanghai film industry to disrupt movie making :preach
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 30, 2019, 12:57:26 AM
benji said they will probably never deal with the ramifications of the blip.  I said this was a silly thing to expect given the supporting evidence that 1) it was already a minor part of a movie already out and 2) the next set of tv shows and movies seem like they will deal with this.   There is no contradiction there. 
Wait, do they actually call it The Blip in Far From Home? That's fucking hilarious if they're going to refer to it as that from now on. :lol

They do call it that and ya its hilarious.  My friend pointed out that it should have been an acronym for something scientific but its kind of a hard thing to find a good name for.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: thisismyusername on December 30, 2019, 12:57:49 AM
Phase 4 is going to be the true make-or-break for the MCU. I have some interest in a few of the films (Guardians vol. 3, Spiderman, and Black Widow's solo-outing-that-should've-been-before-Captain-Resting-Bitch-Face-That-Was-Advertised-And-Only-In-Endgame-for-10-minutes-while-ScarJo-Is-In-For-45-Mins-Or-So-And-Fucking-Dies-No-I'm-Not-Bitter-Why-Do-You-Ask?)

The west chasing China money is fucking stupid and I wish it'd stop, on another note. Star Wars doing it for hilarious flops, Magic: the Gathering doing it (for good reasons in expanding their brand, but honestly: They could've just did Core Set 2020 in Simplified or Mandarin Chinese and see if that took instead of Queerbaiting/erasing Chandra's sexuality), etc.

And all the time, their Queerbaiting/erasure films/properties flop in that market. It's so very :preach to watch that shit flop because "what if we have gays in this!? CHINA WOULDN'T LIKE THAT!" and surprise! China doesn't like it anyway.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: thisismyusername on December 30, 2019, 01:05:19 AM
Fuck China, fuck Epic, fuck their spyware storefront and other shit (hi, TikTok!), and most of all Fuck the Jannies (who do it for free). :kermit
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Boredfrom on December 30, 2019, 01:06:06 AM
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. Did you think that what I said meant it was silly to expect the MCU to deal with the blip? 

I mean, why say:

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is is a pretty silly thing to expect.

That was the impression you give me.

As you now claim you could just said :  “You are wrong Benji. This was referenced...” or “You are right Benji, this was just a silly minor plot point in the Spider-Man film.”

My whole argument is that sentence doesn’t make sense if you wanted either just reaffirm or refute Benji opinion of the Snap not being expected to be explored at all. Given you questioned others intelligence of being “bad look” for not following simple Marvel plots I thought your opinion was being outright dismissive before remembering this stuff was actually deal with in a minor way.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on December 30, 2019, 01:11:53 AM
I think China Don't Care™ as much as Hollywood thinks and my headcanon is that a bunch of it is just to fuck with people. I mean the stuff the CCP requests not what fails at theatres or whatever. Especially when the explanation is supposed to be like a side character is black so Chinese people avoid it.

Then again, Will Smith was the lead and Suicide Squad wasn't allowed to be released in China so maybe it's true.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 30, 2019, 01:18:34 AM
Nah man.  1)   Maybe 'This is a pretty silly thing to expect.' is an ambiguous reference on its own but combined with the following sentence it is not.  The charitable reading is the reading which makes the whole thing make sense not the one where you see a contradiction. You choose the uncharitable version. 2)  "As you now claim you could just said"  that is not what I said at all.  I said that there is supporting evidence to say he was wrong but it depends on how much supporting evidence he needed and that most of that supporting evidence is in stuff that is not out yet and hence could be wrong.  3) "As you now claim you could just said" and "It sounds more like you being dismissive of Benji wanting to see the ramifications of the snap until you suddenly remembered that the ramifications of the Snap was a minor part of the new spider man film and the shows can deal with unimportant side stuff like half of the universe population  being gone for five years.":  you keep on making it like I am changing my arguments all the time - no idea where you are getting these things from.  Again you are assigning me uncharitable intentions.

Come on dude, this is not my first dance...

Live footage of your dance

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Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: BIONIC on December 30, 2019, 01:19:07 AM
The ChiComs already have large stakes in several major Hollywood studios.

The war is already lost :chinacry
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Boredfrom on December 30, 2019, 01:25:28 AM
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You just said that it was foolish to expect any reaction


No, that was benjipwns position which I was arguing against.  Miss reading posts and not being able to follow simple MCU stories in a single post is a bad look.

Quote from: Madrun Badrun
2)  "As you now claim you could just said"  that is not what I said at all.  I said that there is supporting evidence to say he was wrong but it depends on how much supporting evidence he needed. 

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Because it depends on what he means by being dealt with.  Spiderman might not sufficiently deal with the issue to fully support the argument and the tv shows are not out yet.

Quote from: Madrun Badrun
is is a pretty silly thing to expect.


Dude, you could just say "I misspoke about that part. My point still stands" than insult anyone intelligence.

Maybe you should stop gaslighting people and try to not be affected by minor stuff like people pointing you contradicting yourself.




Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 30, 2019, 01:26:46 AM
I think racism in china is a lot like western racism in that black people are fine on screen but not in the streets:  I don't think China is banning films based on black people being in them.  But they will totally ban anything with homosexuality and that's not acceptable.  I think we will see a lot of push back from actors on studios abandoning LGBT  this decade. 
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Boredfrom on December 30, 2019, 01:28:13 AM
I think racism in china is a lot like western racism in that black people are fine on screen but not in the streets: I don't think China is banning films based on black people being in them. But they will totally ban anything with homosexuality and that's not acceptable.  I think we will see a lot of push back from actors on studios abandoning LGBT  this decade.

They ban films because skeletons are there...
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on December 30, 2019, 01:29:33 AM
Don't the Furious movies make a lot of money in China? Do cars outweigh a diverse cast? How does this China thing work?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on December 30, 2019, 01:34:11 AM
Black Panther seems to have done fine:
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Black Panther was the top film in South Africa for seven weeks,[245] where it became the highest-grossing film ever.[246] It also became the highest-grossing film of all time in West and East Africa, and the southern Africa region,[242][247] and the highest-grossing superhero film ever in the Netherlands.[205] As of April 8, 2018, the film's largest markets were China ($104.6 million), the United Kingdom ($67.7 million), and South Korea ($42.8 million).
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Black Panther opened in China ($66.5 million) with the fourth-highest MCU and superhero opening ever in the country. This included the biggest opening day and opening weekend ($7.3 million) of March for IMAX in China.
That's with it coming out a month later than everywhere else so probably half of China had pirated it by that point.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 30, 2019, 01:36:13 AM
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You just said that it was foolish to expect any reaction


No, that was benjipwns position which I was arguing against.  Miss reading posts and not being able to follow simple MCU stories in a single post is a bad look.

Quote from: Madrun Badrun
2)  "As you now claim you could just said"  that is not what I said at all.  I said that there is supporting evidence to say he was wrong but it depends on how much supporting evidence he needed. 

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Because it depends on what he means by being dealt with.  Spiderman might not sufficiently deal with the issue to fully support the argument and the tv shows are not out yet.

Quote from: Madrun Badrun
is is a pretty silly thing to expect.


Dude, you could just say "I misspoke about that part. My point still stands" than insult anyone intelligence.

Maybe you should stop gaslighting people and try to not be affected by minor stuff like people pointing you contradicting yourself.


Buddy, I'll stop insulting your intelligence when you stop being dumb.  I did not misspeak.  I did not contradict myself.  Nor was the original post that ambiguous.  You're right that I could have written it with a sentence more at your grade level. 
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Boredfrom on December 30, 2019, 01:39:09 AM
 :umad

Again:

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Maybe you should stop gaslighting people and try to not be affected by minor stuff like people pointing you contradicting yourself.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 30, 2019, 02:47:10 AM
So watched Rise of the Skywalker. I'll  just do a quick summation thing and maybe later expand on the specific points when I feel like it.

Read no posts in this thread nor any reviews online. Watched no trailers. The only thing I knew coming in through cultural osmosis what that the reception was mixed.

Yeah its a mess. Both a mess in and of itself but the larger mess is the way disney handled the trilogy which lead to this inevitable mess. In this day and age, if you want to make a franchise you have to have a vision, and an idea where you are going from the start. Instead Disney just gave each movie to the directors and said do whatever you want. And ROS is what you get when that is your process.

The Force Awakens I've always liked. I think it potentially set the table well and lead to a lot of potential avenues. I was always mixed on the The Last Jedi, mainly because right then and there, I realized it had not set the table very well for whatever was the last movie. So instead this movie tries to pretend like the Last Jedi never happened and that can't work. Even if you didn't like what the Last Jedi did, you can't follow up that movie with this movie. It doesn't work. This movie is just a bunch of stuff crammed in there to both setup and finalize a story while at the same time paying fan service to the 8 movies that came before. It's just a jumbled mess every step of the way.

The actors try their best. Poe, Rey, Finn, Kylo. They are still all likeable. But you can't just salvage a poor plotted story with likable people. Charisma only gets you so far. On a larger scale, they need to re-invent what Star Wars is for a modern audience. You just can't rely on nostalgia and doing to the same stuff over and hope nostalgia covers the day. I'll compare it to Star Trek. Star Trek Discovery is a modern show for modern times. I'm glad they just didn't try to do TNG rebooted nostalgia. Maybe the Mandalorian is the way forward. While that show has plenty of nostalgia going for it, it still feels more modern in its goals and storytelling than something like ROS felt. At its best it feels gritty and post modern in a way that ROS can't commit to. ROS basically felt like it was beholden to some vision of what Star Wars is supposed to be and what had come before. And you can't be that slavish with entertainment. Entertainment has to change. And that's the lesson Star Wars movies will have to learn.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 30, 2019, 03:16:16 AM
I honestly expect it to go bad in season 2 by just trying to be too safe and not move the story.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on December 30, 2019, 05:40:38 AM
Exactly as I thought, they wanted her to team up with Leia.

Apparently this movie wasn't Plan A, Plan B, Plan C but Plan E at this point.
https://twitter.com/vulture/status/1211354722172620801 (https://twitter.com/vulture/status/1211354722172620801)


"Ok, so in the next scene Lando helps Finn and Poe infiltrate the Star Destroyer and..."
"I'm sorry Mr. Abrams but I can't walk up and down stairs or ramps also I do believe it is time for my nap"

"Mr. Ford, next up Leia and Han share a hug and..."
"This is embarrassing to bring her back like that, you have your scene with me and Adam, I'm leaving"

"Alright honey, now you stand here in front of this green screen and talk to Leia about what you discovered on Exce... Excogol"
"But Mr. Terrio I find it hard to do this with no one to talk to don't we have a stand in... ?"
"Well dear just imagine that this... broomstick is Carrie Fisher"

"Hi JJ how is my Star Wars coming along"
"We shot all the scenes Bob but editing this thing is a nightmare, the Leia CG isn't working, Lando is less mobile than we thought and there's of course the problem of Hamill and Ford hating our guts so no reshoots"
"And what about the boy?"
"Adam Driver did good sir, we can certainly use those scenes"
"Good.... NOW KILL HIM our research tells us we don't want cisgender relationships on screen or the age old trope of a man saving a woman"
"Kylo Ren dies but Ben Solo lives Mr. Iger and they set off into the sunset together on Tatooine it is a very moving scene, possibly the best in the film"
"KILL HIM, THROW HIM DOWN THE SHAFT IF YOU HAVE TO!, DO IT!"
"He survives that sir..."
"THEN REVERSE THE SCENE!!!!"
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on December 30, 2019, 06:00:15 AM
lol this movie was a fucking mess but goddamn I enjoyed it all the same.  It felt like fan fiction

Complete waste of what TLJ established but eh. 

TFA: 7/10
TLJ: 8.5/10
ROS: 6/10

:respect
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on December 30, 2019, 06:21:40 AM
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/d/d5/TLJ-DJ-Movie-no.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20171123160931)

People complain about Rose being marginalized, but DJ didn't even show up in ROTS.

Man, this was such a shitty character.

As characters go, he was fine, but having him disappear entirely from TROS is pretty telling that Disney wanted to get away from any kind of nuance morals in storytelling.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Uncle on December 30, 2019, 06:46:32 AM
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/d/d5/TLJ-DJ-Movie-no.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20171123160931)

People complain about Rose being marginalized, but DJ didn't even show up in ROTS.

Man, this was such a shitty character.

As characters go, he was fine, but having him disappear entirely from TROS is pretty telling that Disney wanted to get away from any kind of nuance morals in storytelling.

no it's proof they have no patience for both-sidesism

DJ shows up like "ohhhh whatabout this though, both sides are doing bad things by funneling money into arms dealers" and disney rightfully said fuck ooooooffffff
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: thisismyusername on December 30, 2019, 06:55:06 AM
Wasn't he just a minor character in Last Jedi anyway? "Oh, I'm safe/code-cracker! BUT I'M GONNA BETRAY YOU! TEE-HEE!"

Seemed like a one-and-done plotpoint character that didn't really matter to the bigger universe/another film(s).
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: BIONIC on December 30, 2019, 07:49:52 AM
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/d/d5/TLJ-DJ-Movie-no.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20171123160931)

People complain about Rose being marginalized, but DJ didn't even show up in ROTS.

Man, this was such a shitty character.

As characters go, he was fine, but having him disappear entirely from TROS is pretty telling that Disney wanted to get away from any kind of nuance morals in storytelling.

When I think of nuanced and morally gray characters the stuttering cunt from TLJ is what first comes to mind ::)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 30, 2019, 08:52:56 AM
And ROS is what you get when that is your process.

It's kind of annoying we have two RoS's in this franchise now.

Yeah yeah everyone will settle on TRoS for this one but it's still a dumb title and a dumb acronym.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 30, 2019, 08:53:41 AM
Wasn't he just a minor character in Last Jedi anyway? "Oh, I'm safe/code-cracker! BUT I'M GONNA BETRAY YOU! TEE-HEE!"

Seemed like a one-and-done plotpoint character that didn't really matter to the bigger universe/another film(s).

So did Phasma but they had to bring her back for some reason.

(Probably because it was the only marketable toy for TLJ.)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 30, 2019, 08:56:23 AM
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Star Trek Discovery is a modern show for modern times.

:jeanluc

Discovery is warmed over mid-2000s action "scifi" schlock, ALSO doing it's damndest to pander to the "originals" (remember Spock??)

The effects are the only thing modern about it.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 30, 2019, 09:05:56 AM
RELEASE THE BENJISALES CUT
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 30, 2019, 09:11:09 AM
Writer Chris Terrio:

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In Return of the Jedi, you have this line, “There is another.”

You mean Empire? :social2
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 30, 2019, 10:13:55 AM
https://ww.9to5google.com/2019/12/30/google-maps-hyperspace-planets/

(https://i.imgur.com/H1SJx0R.gif)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 30, 2019, 10:45:21 AM
I'd rather have stargate google effects. 
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 30, 2019, 10:54:08 AM
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> The Modell sector, which the Endor system is part of, is apparently “rife with hyperspace anomalies” that are responsible for dumping everything from interstellar detritus to even starships in and around the gas giant and its nine primary moons. Those anomalies seemingly also deposited the falling Death Star debris elsewhere in the sector, saving Endor from a fiery, apocalyptic fate

Lulz. Basically "a wizard did it."
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 30, 2019, 11:03:46 AM
https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/12/24/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-makes-kotors-darth-revan-canon

Interesting development. Does this retroactively reincorporate KOTOR/II/TOR into the canon?

Hm, I guess if it's like Thrawn, probably not.

FWIW the cinematics for two of the expansions are some Darn Good Star Warz. (They tell two angles of the same "story.")

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzq9epS2b1A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbpDxrew4A0

:bow Blur :bow2
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 30, 2019, 11:04:53 AM
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As reported by ScreenRant, the official Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Visual Dictionary reveals that each 5,000-strong legion of Emperor Palpatine's Sith Troopers, which are part of his Final Order, are named after an ancient Sith Lord.

 :lol :lol :lol  that's like the trashiest way of referencing previous work.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Coffee Dog on December 30, 2019, 11:08:09 AM
https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/12/24/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-makes-kotors-darth-revan-canon

Interesting development. Does this retroactively reincorporate KOTOR/II/TOR into the canon?

Hm, I guess if it's like Thrawn, probably not.

FWIW the cinematics for two of the expansions are some Darn Good Star Warz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzq9epS2b1A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbpDxrew4A0

:bow Blur :bow2

Kotor already is basically canon anyway. People keep attempting to make connections to it either in reference materials or through the various CG television shows. It was bound to happen eventually.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 30, 2019, 11:08:10 AM
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As reported by ScreenRant, the official Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Visual Dictionary reveals that each 5,000-strong legion of Emperor Palpatine's Sith Troopers, which are part of his Final Order, are named after an ancient Sith Lord.

 :lol :lol :lol  that's like the trashiest way of referencing previous work.

Hey man, all he had was time down there. You'd get bored too.

It's like the Sith equivalent of posting your Final Fantasy ranking.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 30, 2019, 11:09:09 AM
And the KOTOR stuff is weird.  Wonder if Disney realizes that starwars might be more profitable as a video game franchise. 
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 30, 2019, 11:14:20 AM
And the KOTOR stuff is weird.  Wonder if Disney realizes that starwars might be more profitable as a video game franchise. 

EA: (https://i.imgur.com/GSPe5Qg.gif)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tripon on December 30, 2019, 11:19:44 AM
People already forgetting how Battlefront II went?  :steiner

Also, there is a Star Wars game literally on store shelves right now.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: BIONIC on December 30, 2019, 11:21:52 AM
KOTOR I&II are the best things to come out of this wretched franchise :tocry
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 30, 2019, 11:25:01 AM
People already forgetting how Battlefront II went?  :steiner

Also, there is a Star Wars game literally on store shelves right now.

Isn't the new one selling like hot cakes?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: MMaRsu on December 30, 2019, 11:31:25 AM
KOTOR I&II are the best things to come out of this wretched franchise :tocry

Jedi Knight II?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: MMaRsu on December 30, 2019, 11:34:33 AM
What about this tho

https://youtu.be/p5lD9HYa9QE
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 30, 2019, 11:53:21 AM
Also finished up the Mandalorian. I've already talked about how I generally feel about that show in the past, but overall I quite liked the first season. My complaint would be that they need to embrace longer form storytelling which they seem hesitant to do for whatever reasons but as a piece of entertainment season one was enjoyable. Not sure how long you can stretch this particular plotline of the show over multiple seasons so that will be the question. Baby Yoda was a fun thing but that quickly can become a deadend especially when the public falls in love with something.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 30, 2019, 11:59:41 AM
I kinda liked it
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 30, 2019, 12:17:32 PM
TFA: Makes you remember how Star Wars FEELS when you're a kid

TLJ: Makes you realize what stupid shit Star Wars is as an adult

TROS: Makes you understand the blatant nostalgia cash grab bullshit Disney is pulling on you

For me it goes back to the idea that you can't do ROS after the Last Jedi. Tonally and theme wise those two are polar opposites. They should have made Johnson do the third one. As I said, I don't even much care for The Last Jedi (for mostly separate reasons than the fanbase) that movie has a completely different world view than the Force Awakens. So the whiplash between the two visions doesn't work at all. Either commit to what Rian Johnson wants or commit to JJ and let him set up the 2nd movie for the third movie instead of what happened which is trying to make two movies in one to replace the setup the last jedi didn't do.

I know it wasn't quite this simple as all these people had different schedules and such but Disney of course has the money to throw around and just get what they want. But they decided not to. And that is the bigger failing rather than an individual director's take on what Star Wars is.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 30, 2019, 12:50:20 PM
Hindsight is 20/20, but it would've been cool if Disney did a bunch of one-offs for the first 6-7 years leading into a trilogy of mainline movies.  I had such high hopes for the franchise coming out of Rogue One and would've gladly plopped down money to watch other movies (with unknown characters) set in the universe.

But I can also see the other side where you want to lock in your cast right away and then utilize all the original cast before they pass away.

But it didn't work for me. I wanted new and different and they constantly beat me over the head with familiarity. Rian had the right instincts, but just executed it unevenly.



Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on December 30, 2019, 01:06:47 PM
It was rushed.
Iger wanted 1.5 years between the movies. JJ and the boys wanted 3.
Iger settled for 2 and JJ said 'ok' but added he wouldn't do all 3.

TFA rolls along, the soft reboot they wanted. TLJ rolls along and during filming LucasFilm was very impressed by Rian Johnson working and staying on schedule. Writing and directing the thing all by himself.
So LucasFilm offered him his own trilogy before TLJ was out. Then TLJ was released and it was.... less good than they anticipated.

Around the same time Colin Trevorrow had wrote a script for TROS that Kennedy didn't like. They briefly brought in Jack Thorne of Harry Potter fame to rewrite Colin's script.
However, both Kennedy and Colin didn't like what he had done with it. So Colin said he would go and fix it himself but he was fired instead and Terrio was brought on board as a writer to create a new script. 
Presumably that was the Disney/Iger intervention. Shortly after taking on Terrio they asked JJ to direct as he would be the safest bet to get the movie out on time. But at that point they had already wasted 2 years on pre-production.

A delay was probably too expensive and with most of the cast being done with the project and some already difficult to get on set there probably wasn't a lot of time for reshoots either.
They pretty much rushed it to release. Figuring that as seasoned film makers they could 'save' it in the edit even if the script was wonky at times.
It's probably why they filmed multiple endings and went back with just Ridley and a skeleton crew to film another Tatooine scene after already having filmed one with Driver and Ridley together.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: MMaRsu on December 30, 2019, 02:51:19 PM
https://youtu.be/A91P2qtPT54

I love this guys Lucas impression

also Maclunkey wtf???????
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 30, 2019, 03:05:36 PM
I'm wondering how scummy Collider can get with these deepfakes and how far they'll try pushing it before someone notices and tells them to knock it the fuck off.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 30, 2019, 03:06:41 PM
Actually isn't profiting off someone else's likeness without permission, hm, not legally kosher?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Rufus on December 30, 2019, 03:16:04 PM
Parody is safe.

For now. 
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 30, 2019, 04:55:22 PM
"i'm the spy" made me laugh harder than it should've
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: kingv on December 30, 2019, 05:16:40 PM
I guess my hot take is Mandalorian is pretty goddamn safe in every aspect. It's like you have a good piece of chicken but no spices to really give it flavor. None of the dialogue, cinematography and framing, action scenes, literally anything stands out. It's very baseline in all of it's aspects. It's an enjoyable watch, but by no means is it "interesting" for lack of a better word.

Agreed. If this is what Disney thinks will carry Disney+, imo, people will get tired of Disney+ content quickly.

It’s like a more boring, but higher budget Netflix show.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 30, 2019, 05:21:07 PM
https://twitter.com/mega64/status/1211771711403655170

Holy shit. :lol
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: thisismyusername on December 30, 2019, 05:29:21 PM
https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/12/24/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-makes-kotors-darth-revan-canon

Interesting development. Does this retroactively reincorporate KOTOR/II/TOR into the canon?

Hm, I guess if it's like Thrawn, probably not.

FWIW the cinematics for two of the expansions are some Darn Good Star Warz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzq9epS2b1A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbpDxrew4A0

:bow Blur :bow2

Kotor already is basically canon anyway. People keep attempting to make connections to it either in reference materials or through the various CG television shows. It was bound to happen eventually.

KotOR 1/2 are the only good Star Wars Lore things (I hesitate to say games, because Jedi Outcast/Republic Commando exists) so it makes sense Disney would throw a bone to folks after jettisoning the Expanded Universe the first time.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 30, 2019, 05:45:12 PM
The cool thing with Kotor is it's so long ago you can have plausible deniability on basically everything changing by the time of the prequels, which I'm sure was the original intention anyways.

The only thing holding it back is the big bad being another "The Emperor," but like, WAAAYYYYYY COOLER THAN SIDIOUS, BRO! 8) "Fuck that twat Plageuis 3000 years in the future, I'm basically immortal already baby! Ayyyyyy who wants to host my consciousness?"
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 30, 2019, 05:47:00 PM
Also reading up on ToR's recent story developments, the lore really is kind of diluted by the need to make it fit inside a videogame. But I guess if they reference stuff they'd recontextualize the game stuff out anyways...
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on December 30, 2019, 06:12:07 PM
That dude's George Lucas is dead on, but he needs more of a gullet. Speaking of, lol at how many aliens in TPM were clearly based on George and his weird ass neck and he never recognized it or at least acknowledged it.
It was probably a prank by the staff and he couldn't really point that out  :doge
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 30, 2019, 06:54:58 PM
The title is kind of a spoilar tho
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on December 30, 2019, 07:14:01 PM
"I think the Rise of Skywalker, it doesn't answer anything"

Right you are Kathleen  :lol
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on January 01, 2020, 02:29:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlHY2VfnXAA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlHY2VfnXAA)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 01, 2020, 10:01:50 AM
https://twitter.com/JohnBoyega/status/1212090062147637251

Slay 'em, king. :whew
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: OnlyRegret on January 01, 2020, 03:39:34 PM
https://twitter.com/LewSpears/status/1212291058324799489

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENM-Vq9WoAA2KMt.jpg)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: team filler on January 01, 2020, 08:26:00 PM
he'll be stabbing rey with dat big black lightsaber  ;)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on January 01, 2020, 08:51:49 PM
he'll be stabbing rey with dat big black lightsaber  ;)

Now I know why #Darksaber was trending. :phil
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on January 01, 2020, 10:35:52 PM
https://twitter.com/Dataracer117/status/1212299262865768450

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENLzujbVUAAIw71?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENLzvF_U4AAdoU_?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENLzwBhUEAAhWVq?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tripon on January 01, 2020, 10:38:22 PM
Focus groups didn't take into accounts random fanbases that will RAGE if you mess with their boy/girl.  :lol
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 01, 2020, 10:43:03 PM
tOxIc faNdOmS
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: toku on January 01, 2020, 10:43:23 PM
https://twitter.com/donniemnemonic/status/1211918261580730369

click through to actually see
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on January 01, 2020, 10:43:30 PM
KIDS ARE GOING TO BE TRAUMATIZED ABOUT THIS, THINK ABOUT THE 5-6 YEAR OLDS

even though characters are dying like every fifteen minutes over the last film and a half :lol
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 01, 2020, 10:47:42 PM
Imagine crying over the death of the dude who killed his own dad and nearly his killed his own mom, got into big physical fights with his on again/off again girlfriend, and was a major player in the destruction of an entire star system full of people.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on January 01, 2020, 10:47:57 PM
Imagine getting that upset over the treatment of a Star Wars character.

*side eyes at Rose Tico*
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on January 01, 2020, 10:52:17 PM
didn't they spend like all their personal time together (when not fighting) in The Force Chats, it was like an internet-only relationship
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on January 01, 2020, 10:53:14 PM
Imagine crying over the death of the dude who killed his own dad and nearly his killed his own mom, got into big physical fights with his on again/off again girlfriend, and was a major player in the destruction of an entire star system full of people.
She changed him!
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 02, 2020, 01:22:22 AM
Imagine crying over the death of the dude who killed his own dad and nearly his killed his own mom, got into big physical fights with his on again/off again girlfriend, and was a major player in the destruction of an entire star system full of people.

I never understood the appeal of kylo ren. I get that Adam Driver is a good actor the but the actual character is a big pile of shit. And not even a fun pile of shit. Whether he ever "redeemed" himself or not was nothing I cared about ever. And the idea that Rey had some sort of love connection with a psychopath is really troubling when you examine the psychology of it.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Boredfrom on January 02, 2020, 01:58:57 AM
It also baffles me, I thought he was a unlikeable dipshit worse than Anakin (attitude wise), but I suppose the character was so pathetic that people sort of feel for him.

The character having fangirls is not surprising, however. That they use Rey as some sort of self insert is probably the reason why the shippers here are more batshit crazy.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on January 02, 2020, 02:25:47 AM
https://twitter.com/JohnBoyega/status/1212090062147637251

Slay 'em, king. :whew

I mean, what's the comparison here?

(https://i.imgur.com/VvXioNe.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/7ghEO8N.jpg)

Finn is basically getting made into a giant dad the whole trilogy by both sexes.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: VomKriege on January 02, 2020, 02:28:12 AM
Is this Loss ?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on January 02, 2020, 07:00:04 AM
It's funny and weird that the Reylo fans losing their shit are mostly girls and the Rose stans were mostly male feminists.
The same people that gave the original mostly male Star Wars fanbase shit for wrecking TLJ on the internet.

Meanwhile the LGTBQ+ people are disappointed FinnPoe didn't happen but not nearly as vocal about it.

Disney has successfully pissed off every inch of their fanbase. It's like poetry, it rhymes.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 02, 2020, 10:49:55 AM
I don't want to get into the dark psychology of women, but almost all of them love vampire movies.

Now that I think about it, the Sith (in the latest trilogy) were just space vampires. Immortality, turning normies (they are fond of) into becoming one of them, using murder as tool to gain power, etc.


Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Boredfrom on January 02, 2020, 11:01:47 AM
Being fair, people burning their merchandise of their favorite character because shipping is also common with male otakus.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: kingv on January 02, 2020, 01:45:45 PM
Imagine crying over the death of the dude who killed his own dad and nearly his killed his own mom, got into big physical fights with his on again/off again girlfriend, and was a major player in the destruction of an entire star system full of people.

I never understood the appeal of kylo ren. I get that Adam Driver is a good actor the but the actual character is a big pile of shit. And not even a fun pile of shit. Whether he ever "redeemed" himself or not was nothing I cared about ever. And the idea that Rey had some sort of love connection with a psychopath is really troubling when you examine the psychology of it.

I think he’s just the only character that has any kind of arc whatsoever. How can one be a fan of Rey, she has like no titties or character development.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on January 02, 2020, 01:50:28 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/comments/eisnd8/heres_what_ive_been_told_from_a_source_that/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/comments/eisnd8/heres_what_ive_been_told_from_a_source_that/)

According to some person on Reddit JJ got overruled by Disney on key decisions and his 3 hour cut was butchered and now #ReleaseTheJJCut" is trending  :lol
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 02, 2020, 02:09:18 PM
Everyone involved is now desperately trying to blame someone else for the mess. :neogaf
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tripon on January 02, 2020, 02:19:49 PM
Star Wars gets a black eye because Disney and Kathleen Kennedy can't stop meddling with shit. Pretty much the opposite portrayal from the Last Jedi and Rian Johnson.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on January 02, 2020, 02:40:48 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/comments/eisnd8/heres_what_ive_been_told_from_a_source_that/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/comments/eisnd8/heres_what_ive_been_told_from_a_source_that/)

According to some person on Reddit JJ got overruled by Disney on key decisions and his 3 hour cut was butchered and now #ReleaseTheJJCut" is trending  :lol

Huge if true. That said, despite DC vs. Marvel being one of the points the way they've presented the petty inside squabbling seems like actual politics at the studio usually do. So this:

Quote
WB wants Abrams for some DC projects. My source said that this generation’s Star Wars is the MCU, and Marvel’s biggest threat is a well operational DC. They want to keep DC in the limbo that they’re in right now. Abrams jumpstarting that franchise with something like a successful, audience-pleasing Superman movie makes them nervous. Their goal is to make JJ look bad to potential investors/shareholders.

Actually wouldn't surprise me.

Quote
My source said they’ve never seen anything like this happen before. He’s the director and he wasn’t in the know about what they were doing behind his back.

Yeah, a major Hollywood studio has NEVER gone behind a director's back and dumped a different movie into theaters than expected. This is without precedent, for sure.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on January 02, 2020, 02:42:07 PM
Quote
JJ wanted to do some scenes he thought were important but Disney shut it down citing budgetary reasons.

:dizzy Lol this doesn't follow to me. If anything it seems like Disney overspent on this thing.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on January 02, 2020, 02:52:56 PM
Wrong thread.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 02, 2020, 04:21:02 PM
Imagine crying over the death of the dude who killed his own dad and nearly his killed his own mom, got into big physical fights with his on again/off again girlfriend, and was a major player in the destruction of an entire star system full of people.

I never understood the appeal of kylo ren. I get that Adam Driver is a good actor the but the actual character is a big pile of shit. And not even a fun pile of shit. Whether he ever "redeemed" himself or not was nothing I cared about ever. And the idea that Rey had some sort of love connection with a psychopath is really troubling when you examine the psychology of it.

I think he’s just the only character that has any kind of arc whatsoever. How can one be a fan of Rey, she has like no titties or character development.

I never bought his arc. I never for a second thought he would or could be redeemed. And when it does happen in this film, I didn't buy it for one sec. I thought his bitching throughout was undeserved. He always felt like a teen anime character. But to each his own. Lots of people are fans of him. I never was. Especially since he nominally plays the role of the big bad in this trilogy but never feels especially intimidating. Rey was fine to me for the first movie and half. And then like a lot of characters in the trilogy, it starts to fall apart.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Uncle on January 02, 2020, 04:52:44 PM
you think marvel is going to keep moving with the same strength as before in spite of reaching a natural conclusion point for many people?  no fatigue?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 02, 2020, 04:56:59 PM
We might not see endgame levels of money for a long time but 08.-1B movies will keep coming for a long time. 
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 02, 2020, 04:59:52 PM
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Saltier Than Crait is a community for those who are critical of the recent new Star Wars revival from Disney and wish to have intelligent, respectful discourse about it.


:lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on January 02, 2020, 05:42:37 PM
Oh wow eight whole years?

(https://i.imgur.com/hUK2ezl.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/SbHAlv9.jpg)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 02, 2020, 07:08:22 PM
The comic book movie trend will eventually die down at some point, just like every other entertainment trend before it, there's just no way to really know when that's going to happen. Certainly there's nothing presently to show that we've reached the tipping point yet. I do think Phase 4 will be less successful overall than Phase 3 [which was capped off by the highest grossing movie of all time], but it won't be a huge crash by any means.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on January 02, 2020, 07:17:45 PM
Here's the thing, and it's always been The Thing:

If Disney/Marvel act smartly, they can keep the trend going for a long time (as they've done already.)

If they don't, then it won't.

I'm unsure how the next Avengers/"culmination movie" (and Phase 4 overall) will play out for general audiences now that Disney+ will be required going forward. Certainly, most viewers didn't know "everyone" in Endgame but still could enjoy it quite a bit. Disney/Feige's job is to ride that line as long as they can without falling off.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on January 02, 2020, 07:22:29 PM
Also between influencers, social media and other stuff there's plenty of ways now to keep comic book movies popular, which weren't available in the past.
The only way to undermine Disney is to do what Netflix is doing, which is to release original quality film sometimes anchored by actors from big budget Disney movies directly to their streaming service.

Disney at this point still has to rely on big box office numbers to make up for the increasing production costs of the movies.
As we've seen with Dark Phoenix, making 'cheaper' comic book movies just isn't doable.

I think the crash will be fast and hard, like 3 flops in a row for Disney corp to steer away from comic book movies.

Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 02, 2020, 07:23:22 PM
I think the Disney + thing will help not hinder, not because of the TV shows, but because the MCU movies will be one of the few things worth watching on there and so people who didn't watch captain marvel or antman will be more likely too just out of boredom.  This is different from netflix which only ever had a handful of MCU movies available at once.     
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on January 02, 2020, 07:38:03 PM
I'm just wondering how far off we are from "Previously, on Buffy the Vampire Slayer Avengers: Secret Wars..."
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on January 02, 2020, 08:05:12 PM
I'm just wondering how far off we are from "Previously, on Buffy the Vampire Slayer Avengers: Secret Wars..."
Agents of SHIELD was their attempt on that, and it worked fine. I mean, I was seriously hooked on that for a while. The biggest roadbump was their s2 need to coordinate their episode premieres with the HYDRA reveal.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on January 02, 2020, 08:56:23 PM
I'm just wondering how far off we are from "Previously, on Buffy the Vampire Slayer Avengers: Secret Wars..."
Agents of SHIELD was their attempt on that, and it worked fine. I mean, I was seriously hooked on that for a while. The biggest roadbump was their s2 need to coordinate their episode premieres with the HYDRA reveal.

Sorry, but like Kevin Feige, I don't consider any of the shows pre-Disney+ to be canon.

Except maybe the Netflix stuff, but only retroactively if they decide to keep the same actors.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on January 02, 2020, 09:20:11 PM
Shit man Netflix stuff is certainly less canon than AOS.

We'll see! Disney just got the rights back literally yesterday (https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/defenders-disney-streaming-daredevil-iron-fist-luke-cage-jessica-jones-1203087219/) and there's lots (https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/10/19/rumor-more-defenders-making-a-comeback-for-disney/) of (https://www.cbr.com/she-hulk-daredevil-mcu-return/) rumors (https://io9.gizmodo.com/disneys-already-floating-the-idea-of-reviving-netflixs-1831201804).

On the other hand, you're never going to see Coulson alive in the films (I dunno if he died AGAIN in the series or not, bailed in s2.) Or May or Fitz or whoever's left. The most SHIELD can do is reflect the films, but it's never been reflected back.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on January 02, 2020, 09:40:48 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/CCAOPHH.jpg)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on January 02, 2020, 09:44:54 PM
I'm just wondering how far off we are from "Previously, on Buffy the Vampire Slayer Avengers: Secret Wars..."
Agents of SHIELD was their attempt on that, and it worked fine. I mean, I was seriously hooked on that for a while. The biggest roadbump was their s2 need to coordinate their episode premieres with the HYDRA reveal.

Sorry, but like Kevin Feige, I don't consider any of the shows pre-Disney+ to be canon.

Except maybe the Netflix stuff, but only retroactively if they decide to keep the same actors.

:lol

The nice part about the MCU is how linear it all is. No reboots, no weird-ass clones, no failed universe-retconning bullshit.

And now Disney's going to roll into that muck with glee.

:popcorn.gif
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Himu on January 02, 2020, 10:44:48 PM
:lol

This movies post release fuckery
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on January 02, 2020, 10:46:16 PM
People tend to laugh at #SuperheroFatigue but shit is inevitable. Whether it happens next year or twenty years from now, who knows.

Can't wait till Kingdom Come is adapted as the Unforgiven/Irishman to the genre in 2058

As a personal note, I was on board with the MCU since Iron Man and probably only missed seeing a handful of films in the cinema. Endgame is probably the last one I'll see in the cinema and maybe even at all. I have not seen the new Spiderman and have zero desire to see it. None of the announced phase 4 titles are of any interest to me either.

The fatigue is real. It now just depends if it is a long tail or a short one.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Himu on January 02, 2020, 10:46:32 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/CCAOPHH.jpg)

Is the ST the Chrono Cross of Star Wars? :lol
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on January 02, 2020, 10:49:01 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/CCAOPHH.jpg)

Extremely bad vibes. This is why I was never fully on board with TFA either. Starkiller base on its own completely invalidates the point of the OT. Palps just needed to wait 30 years and he got a Death Star x100.

(Then he just needed to wait ~1.5 years after that before his hundreds of Death Star-tech packing Star Destroyer fleet was finished.)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on January 03, 2020, 04:26:54 AM
The prequel trilogy and the sequel trilogy both suffer from the same big problem: Feature creep.

In the original trilogy, the force and the Jedi were mysterious and certainly not super humans. Even Yoda had to concentrate and focus his energy just to get Luke's X-Wing out of the swamp. It enhanced people's natural skills and abilities, it didn't immediately turn them into super soldiers.

The prequels ramped up the force into some sort of super power and the Jedi were unstoppable killing machines that could take out whole armies. They basically videogamed the force.

The sequels dialled that up to 11 with force healing, astral projection, force ghosts interacting with physical objects and all sorts of shit.

This is why Poe and Finn were sidelined so quickly and they had to give Leia force powers. Normal people were rendered irrelevant to the story as anything they wanted to do could be done faster and more efficiently by some force user without them breaking a sweat.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: nachobro on January 03, 2020, 08:58:12 AM
the only powers jedi need is the handwave thing, moving shit around, and being able to jump really high. :hmph the rest is wack.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on January 03, 2020, 09:37:14 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/kXygRHC.jpg)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: bork on January 03, 2020, 09:38:52 PM
https://twitter.com/x6x_batman_no6/status/1213237482667597824

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/Nathansalvutore/status/1213285324698390528
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Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: shosta on January 04, 2020, 04:49:00 AM
Saw TFA for the first time since it came out and I was pleasantly surprised because I hated it the first time. It's a little bit schizophrenic because there's a good movie here with some clear executive interference. I don't have to name all the dumb things - everyone knows what they are. Finn turned out to be a good character. Rey, not so much (we're not given nearly enough character development). I actually loved Finn and Rey's chemistry as a pair of protagonists.

I'm having trouble weighing the good against the bad. The good parts were very good. The bad parts were hard to get over. But because I've come around on so many of the things that soured me before (Domhnall Gleeson's Nazi screaming, Death Star 3, TRAITOR!), I had a good experience overall.

I also saw Rogue One. This manages to go in the same trash heap as ROTJ. There's no use comparing which is better because both are so bad.

5 >> 3 > 1 > 7 > 4 > 2 >> 6 = R1
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 04, 2020, 10:20:11 AM
Imagine thinking revenge of the sith and phantom menace are better than a new hope
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 04, 2020, 10:28:18 AM
Imagine thinking TLJ is better than TFA and ROS. 
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on January 04, 2020, 11:48:49 PM
Imagine thinking TLJ is better than TFA and ROS.

It is. 100% true. Congratulations, you've already won.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Boredfrom on January 04, 2020, 11:58:10 PM
Let TLJ die, kill it if you have to.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 05, 2020, 01:05:18 AM
Imagine thinking TLJ is better than TFA and ROS.

It is. 100% true. Congratulations, you've already won.

People who think this are low-ground-front-flippers.  110% truth.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Momo on January 05, 2020, 01:17:48 AM
https://youtu.be/p5lD9HYa9QE
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: MMaRsu on January 05, 2020, 01:12:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iavdy2qQCrs
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: kingv on January 05, 2020, 02:01:29 PM
I went to two target today and both still had the long sought after Rose Tico action figures on the shelf. PM me if you are still looking for this hard to find item to complete the core of your new trilogy collection.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 05, 2020, 11:48:20 PM
low-ground-front-flippers

I'm really disappointed that no one liked this and I don't know if I'm disappointed in you guys or myself for feeling so proud of it.  Actually I do know, it's you guys. 
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on January 06, 2020, 08:22:16 AM
low-ground-front-flippers

I'm really disappointed that no one liked this and I don't know if I'm disappointed in you guys or myself for feeling so proud of it.  Actually I do know, it's you guys.

I have no goddamned idea what you're going on about.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on January 06, 2020, 08:30:50 AM
I went to two target today and both still had the long sought after Rose Tico action figures on the shelf. PM me if you are still looking for this hard to find item to complete the core of your new trilogy collection.
What the hell, which kid wouldn't want to play as an average chubby Asian mechanic with a wrench and the power to ... ermmm... participate in Star Wars? ???

Next you're telling me they're skipping out on Snoke as well while we all know it is every 8 year olds dream to sit on a chair and dress and look like the corpse of Hugh Hefner.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 06, 2020, 11:40:53 AM
low-ground-front-flippers

I'm really disappointed that no one liked this and I don't know if I'm disappointed in you guys or myself for feeling so proud of it.  Actually I do know, it's you guys.

I have no goddamned idea what you're going on about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE85edTFpHU

You the Ani to my Obi. 
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 06, 2020, 12:38:29 PM
low-ground-front-flippers

I'm really disappointed that no one liked this and I don't know if I'm disappointed in you guys or myself for feeling so proud of it.  Actually I do know, it's you guys.

I have no goddamned idea what you're going on about.

Same here.

I used to be obsessed with Star Wars as a teenager in the 90s. I played all the games and read all the books and consumed anything that had to do with anything remotely related. I was all over TheForce.net and the SW Usenet groups. Then I went to college and the prequels came out and I saw them and enjoyed them despite their massive ass flaws but mostly ignored all the other stuff and the fandom. Then the sequels came out and enjoyed them despite their flaws (and desperate need for an editor, TROS). I don't really pay much attention to ancillary stuff and mostly avoid internet discussion bullshit. It's nice.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on January 06, 2020, 12:40:36 PM
It's all Mike Stoklasa's fault :hmph
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: james on January 06, 2020, 01:02:53 PM
I finally watched Endgame yesterday courtesy of United Airlines.

How the fuck does it have a 90+ score on the tomatoes?

It's significantly worse than the new star wars.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 06, 2020, 01:11:45 PM
 ::)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on January 06, 2020, 01:17:29 PM
I mean for starters, deaths actually have consequences in Endgame (snap notwithstanding.)

Chewie, Rey, Kylo, 3PO all get brought back to life no harm no foul (though Kylo dies after Rey comes back to life.)

On the other hand, Black Widow and Tony are deader than dead in the MCU, and their deaths had large ramifications for the story/world.

Maybe the impermanence of death doesn't bother you in fiction, but it does for me.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: james on January 06, 2020, 01:52:14 PM
Superheroes dying

 :crowdlaff :girlaff :stop :birb

You know damn well that iron man's brain was downloaded onto his super computer and in 5 years he'll be back in the body of a hot 26 year old

And who the fuck is even black widow
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on January 06, 2020, 01:53:14 PM
I'm curious about your thoughts on Rise of Skywalker.

Give me some threads I can pull.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: MMaRsu on January 06, 2020, 01:58:55 PM
I finally watched Endgame yesterday courtesy of United Airlines.

How the fuck does it have a 90+ score on the tomatoes?

It's significantly worse than the new star wars.

It is? I thought it was a fun romp
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: james on January 06, 2020, 02:26:39 PM
I'm curious about your thoughts on Rise of Skywalker.

Give me some threads I can pull.

Heres one thing Skywalker did better:

The made sure every character was properly introduced in a natural way. A simple "google morning Leia" in the script immediately reminds us, the audience, who the character is. Characters also naturally gave us a "previously on" through dialogue that was not forced.

In Endgame, some magical space woman shows up to save Tony and I'm expected to know who the fuck she is. Or some white man with an ugly hair cut is out killing japanese mobsters and Im supposed to know why the fuck I care.


Both movies had a "fetch quest" plot. Endgame presents it as a "heist".

Probably the weakest heist I've ever had the displeasure of watching. 2 or 3 of the "heists" involved then simply walking in, grabbing their little stone, and theyre done. Odd, i thought these were super important rocks but they have less security than my corner CVS.  One of the "heists" involved rehashing a forced sacrifice except this time it's with two characters that aren't even super heroes. Wow, the guy has an arrow (not to be confused with the CW character I guess?) and the other lady is some normie. Real sad about her. And then you have the heist that goes wrong but there'es zero consequence. Loki escapes and is not touched on again, and the characters simply try again even though we're told 10 times YOU ONLY HAVE ONE SHOT.

Like ok, they're not going to get an Inception quality heist but this felt more like a Scooby Doo b-plot.

The Star Wars fetch quest at least involved some interesting scenery. Yeah, it was all super convenient (magic sand pit on sand planet leads to the thing they want) but the cinematography is interesting.

And the festival thing had more background characters than the entire Endgame movie.

Seriously, Endgame has an entire universe to play with but everything feels so lifeless and dead. Aside from the base scene, theres zero background characters. They just jump from CGI set to CGI set where the only life forms are principal characters. This was also an issue in the last movie where they have the entire central park fight and the train station scene with zero locals running around. Couldnt afford to pay extras?


And the Star Wars final battle was significantly better.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: shosta on January 06, 2020, 02:33:11 PM
Kept thinking James was talking about "Ender's Game" and was really confused.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 06, 2020, 08:09:45 PM
https://i.imgur.com/U5DFpS9.mp4
https://i.imgur.com/tGUJYgp.gifv
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on January 07, 2020, 03:58:47 AM
https://youtu.be/3Xl0Qr0uXuY
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: BIONIC on January 07, 2020, 05:19:36 AM
Just finished the Mandlawhorian. EASILY the best live-action Star Wars thing.

Very well directed. Fun characters. Casting is on point. The show’s structure was pretty successful in nailing the tone. Great music and not the same whimsical and epic shit that’s been reused for 40 years. Liked how gritty it was compared to the main series, and it also doesn’t shy away from using aliens regularly.

My favorite episode is probably the prison ship one. Shit was awesome.

If they don’t make a Mandalorian bounty hunting videogame then they are complete fucking idiots. The show is basically structured like one as it is. Just give it to a competent studio.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: HardcoreRetro on January 07, 2020, 10:53:26 AM
https://youtu.be/x_xJqkzngBI
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on January 07, 2020, 10:09:07 PM
https://youtu.be/x_xJqkzngBI
:dead

I think I own that. I could not stand it.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Oblivion on January 08, 2020, 12:31:11 AM
https://youtu.be/3Xl0Qr0uXuY

this song is bangin'
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on January 08, 2020, 01:17:57 AM
https://imjustcreative.com/anatomy-of-a-logo-the-star-wars/2020/01/06
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Kara on January 08, 2020, 02:28:30 AM
https://imjustcreative.com/anatomy-of-a-logo-the-star-wars/2020/01/06

Quote
After Lucas described the kind of visual element he was seeking, “I returned to the office and used what I reckoned to be the most ‘fascist’ typeface I could think of: Helvetica Black.”

 :dead
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Oblivion on January 08, 2020, 03:03:16 AM
you think marvel is going to keep moving with the same strength as before in spite of reaching a natural conclusion point for many people?  no fatigue?

Well Spiderman didn't slow down. The superhero fatigue stuff has been talked about for like 8 years straight and it never happens so :yeshrug

somebody made a video the other day where they compared the amount of superhero films/t.v. shows in 2019 to westerns in like 1955 (i believe). the former had around nine for 2019, compared to motherfucking FIFTY for the latter. in 1955  westerns apparently dominated the market for decades until Blazing Saddles came around.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 08, 2020, 04:57:04 AM
Television and the rise of auteur directors is what killed the Hollywood western. One Upon a Time in Hollywood is tangentially about that transition.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: VomKriege on January 08, 2020, 05:07:30 AM
It's not improbable we get to eat 20 more years of cape stuff. Only thing to do is to move on, watch anything else you might fancy and ignore it as much as possible.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 08, 2020, 05:09:57 AM
dUDE ALL STAR WARS EXCPET FOR THE ORGINAL MOVES SUCK
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tripon on January 08, 2020, 09:15:10 PM
What about the Star Wars where they're in the sky flying and it's like a battle, man.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: MMaRsu on January 09, 2020, 03:37:55 AM
https://youtu.be/w-GPKo8q2Xc
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on January 09, 2020, 11:56:47 AM
https://twitter.com/starwarstuff/status/1215058164309164032 (https://twitter.com/starwarstuff/status/1215058164309164032)

RIP Nien Nunb

Disney keeps destroying George's Legacy  :'(
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 09, 2020, 12:00:58 PM
His face has always reminded me as a cross between a fish and a vagina so I'm not mad. 
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 09, 2020, 12:21:13 PM
His face has always reminded me as a cross between a fish and a vagina so I'm not mad. 

himdem dempths
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on January 09, 2020, 02:09:50 PM
https://twitter.com/starwarstuff/status/1215058164309164032 (https://twitter.com/starwarstuff/status/1215058164309164032)

RIP Nien Nunb

Disney keeps destroying George's Legacy  :'(
The fact that they thought this was more important than writing a coherent storyline says all you need to know about Disney Star Wars ™
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: team filler on January 09, 2020, 02:11:06 PM
https://twitter.com/TJameson8/status/1215069074222276608
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: MMaRsu on January 09, 2020, 04:23:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbpslRxy8T0
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: kingv on January 09, 2020, 09:32:38 PM
Remember when they came out with Star Wars battlefront and had a seasons pass for additional heroes and the first first new hero was Nian Nunb? Classic.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 10, 2020, 09:54:13 AM
Remember when Disney freaked out because The Last Jedi only made $600 million domestically and $1.3 billion worldwide so they totally changed direction to appeal to people who didn't like TLJ? Well, looks like Rise of Skywalker might not even hit $500 million domestically and barely scrape by $1 billion worldwide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jz1TjCphXE
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 10, 2020, 07:15:37 PM
I honestly think that is damage done by TLJ being so shit.  Same reason Solo bombed. 
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 10, 2020, 08:08:39 PM
You are so wrong
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: thisismyusername on January 10, 2020, 10:03:18 PM
I honestly think that is damage done by TLJ being so shit.  Same reason Solo bombed.

...Or it's because Star Wars is shit. :kermit

Like, WOW GLOWING SWORDS THAT ARE SUPER HEATED is the only reason most people watch it. The folks that make it their ENTIRE FUCKING LIFE STYLE are insane. The Disney arcs aren't even that good to where as pop-corn films it's like "oh there's another one coming out? Eh... maybe I'll catch it on DVD."

The Last Jedi was horrible, so I'm not surprised most of the non-lifestyle folks checked out.

Speaking of giving no fucks:

https://twitter.com/MARVELOLOGY/status/1215793104596410371

#GoOffKing
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 10, 2020, 10:38:32 PM
Starwars isn't good but it's also basically the only game in town for science-fantasy and space operas and I think that's where most of the appeal is.  I could easily see a world where had Avatar 1 not been utter shit, the vast majority of people would not care about starwars in 2020.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 11, 2020, 11:23:49 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJp1NnOFKVY
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on January 11, 2020, 11:26:45 AM
How are the toys selling?

I'm sure everyone wants Zar/na(?) and Zirri(?) Samus action figures.
Not to mention old Lando, that thing must FLY off the shelves. 

And who doesn't want a fresh RED Storm First Order Sith Trooper Limited Edition or the corpse of Palpatine
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 11, 2020, 11:50:09 AM
Yeah I don’t really agree with this narrative that Star Wars is bad. The original trilogy is and will always be good even great films. Fantastic effects, iconic visuals, sublime music, memorable characters, and good storytelling. They are great sci-fi fantasy adventure movies that I don’t think most series can ever come close to. Sure what followed wasn’t great. Then again, I don’t think it could ever. Espically when you are owned by Disney who are never going to make something daring like the original movies.
 
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 11, 2020, 12:18:30 PM
#ReleaseTheLucasCut
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: bork on January 11, 2020, 06:07:57 PM
#ReleaseTheKermitCut

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MebZx-4950
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 11, 2020, 08:22:22 PM
https://art19.com/shows/newcomers-star-wars/episodes/c80c09a3-a859-4fb8-a66c-8bf72769dfba

Lauren Lapkus is really great
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on January 11, 2020, 10:49:43 PM
I honestly think that is damage done by TLJ being so shit.  Same reason Solo bombed.
You are so wrong
:respect
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Thirty-Ought-Six on January 12, 2020, 12:52:49 AM
Remember when Disney freaked out because The Last Jedi only made $600 million domestically and $1.3 billion worldwide so they totally changed direction to appeal to people who didn't like TLJ?


Disney didn't change direction. Rian Johnson was never going to direct the third one. I assumed all the JJ cut stuff was a joke, but does anyone actually believe that what happened is so fundamentally atypical for him?

The sequels can be summed up as: JJ Abrams does his usual thing of pretty pictures and nostalgic references speeding across the screen, hopefully too fast for the audience to stop and contemplate. Rian Johnson comes in and says fuck no, I'm not doing that. If you're going to set up the story where the empire rules again, the new republic is destroyed, Luke is AWOL, Han and Leia's only child is evil, etc... then I'm going to make a movie that confronts such a dark turn of events.

I think it would have been impossible for Rian to turn off his own brain and make a JJ Abrams movie, just as it would be impossible for JJ to have made a Rian Johnson movie.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 14, 2020, 07:45:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD5mLw0A8vI
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: agrajag on January 14, 2020, 07:55:58 PM
TLJ and the ROS were both different flavors of shit.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 14, 2020, 08:04:37 PM
But one was at least peanut butter flavored. 
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: agrajag on January 14, 2020, 08:09:14 PM
which one?

I am leaning towards TLJ being slightly less insulting to the audience's intelligence.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 14, 2020, 08:10:55 PM
No, that's the shit flavoured shit one. 
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: agrajag on January 14, 2020, 08:17:13 PM
ah, you lost me there
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on January 15, 2020, 12:14:21 AM
The Last Jedi is leaps and bounds better than the Rise of Skywalker.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Oblivion on January 15, 2020, 03:30:09 AM
TLJ at least had that cool battle on Crait, and Luke saying goodbye to Leia and 3P0.

what did ROS have?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Boredfrom on January 16, 2020, 02:14:02 PM
Why people think that the Trevor version of the IX film would have been any better? The concepts of the script sound like desperate attempts to give some sort of meaning to the Last Jedi rather than embracing that shit. Fuck, it sounds like the whole script still depends of acknowledgment that Kylo Ren is a dipshit.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on January 16, 2020, 02:44:01 PM
Anything would be better than what we got. Rey a Palpatine, Palpatine alive and behind the whole shenanigans is some of the most hackneyed bullshit ever.

I'm not being hyperbolic when I say I'd rather rewatch the prequels than any of the Disney movies.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on January 16, 2020, 11:51:38 PM
http://twitter.com/Wldbil6/status/1208521184050057225
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 17, 2020, 06:24:01 PM
http://geekdommovies.com/taika-waititi-director-of-thorragnarok-and-jojo-rabbit-set-to-direct-new-star-wars-movie/
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: team filler on January 20, 2020, 06:39:40 PM
#babbiejabba
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Raist on January 20, 2020, 07:03:27 PM
I'm sure this would go really well.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: team filler on January 21, 2020, 05:35:22 PM
https://twitter.com/KasiopeaArt/status/1218889951481417729
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on January 22, 2020, 07:22:30 PM
https://youtu.be/eLHGlSlp_nI
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 22, 2020, 07:42:31 PM
real starwars here we come
https://movieweb.com/dune-movie-2020-first-footage-description/

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'm really not going to get hyped until scifi people say its good.
[close]
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 22, 2020, 09:19:35 PM
real starwars here we come
https://movieweb.com/dune-movie-2020-first-footage-description/

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'm really not going to get hyped until scifi people say its good.
[close]

ITS HAPPENING
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: remy on January 22, 2020, 09:27:18 PM
I'm on the fence until I hear what Jodorowski thinks  :hmph
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: MMaRsu on January 26, 2020, 08:05:19 AM
https://youtu.be/Brbrdnh74yA
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on January 26, 2020, 09:13:56 AM
https://youtu.be/Brbrdnh74yA
SNL should stick to pop culture things like this. They're way better than any of their recent political bits.
Except for maybe Sean Spicer. That was hilarious but sadly didn't last long.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Raist on January 26, 2020, 09:27:24 AM
You know the new trilogy is a complete disaster when people involved keep shitting on it.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on January 26, 2020, 10:04:56 AM
You know the new trilogy is a complete disaster when people involved keep shitting on it.
George got away with murder for years. He made a Samurai movie in Space and because it was something entirely new he could built a media empire on it.
Disney bought a fantasy IP that exists entirely inside George Lucas' head and he tried to fix over the years with prequels, re-releases and new cuts "MCLUNKEY!!".
On top of it all LucasFilm threw out the only thing that tried and succeeded to make sense and explain it all (the expanded universe), written by mostly good authors.
Because Lucas didn't consider it to be canon. 
:lucas

Disney's directors started to realize this as they were making these films.
Ackbar was supposed to be the captain on the ship in TLJ for example.
He would've performed: The sacrificial Ackbar Maneuver  :lol

Buying Star Wars when they did, is like if Microsoft had bought the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise right before the first Xbox launched.
The cracks were visible but it still seemed promising. Disney essentially bought the Sonic of movie franchises for $4 billion in cash and shares.
They also inherited the same type of insane fanbase.  :lol
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Raist on January 26, 2020, 03:13:30 PM
I think their biggest mistake was to get JJ "gotta love mystery boxes and big dumb one-upping everything" Abrams involved.

He just tried to cram so much shit in TFA, with basically zero world building, and a bunch of entirely open plots points with zero basis to work on.

Johnson got a lot of shit for "ruining" Star Wars, and in particular Luke, but what the fuck was he supposed to do exactly when Abrams left him with a world and characters that had so drastically changed since RotJ that the whole thing was barely believable.

And that's why I think VII-IX is vastly inferior to I-III (come at me Chrono).
Sure, the Prequels had their share of dumb shite, but at least they had some good character and world building, and didn't start retconning shit left and right.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on January 27, 2020, 03:55:42 PM
Colin Trevorrow has confirmed his version of EP 9 was called Duel of the Fates and the leaked script is real.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Raist on January 27, 2020, 05:07:47 PM
You expect us to google search for that script, and read it all?

Give some bullet points you jerk :bolo
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on January 27, 2020, 06:26:05 PM
You expect us to google search for that script, and read it all?

Give some bullet points you jerk :bolo
It took place on Coruscant with Hux capturing the planet and Finn rallying a resistance
Rey had a blue double bladed lightsaber
Luke's ghost trains Rey
Luke's ghost haunts Kylo
Kylo goes to Vader's castle
etc.

(https://i.imgur.com/MTYat4i.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/eHfIq7x.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/G7ursXj.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/C1eKUIv.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/yttT85c.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/nCGZ9PS.jpg)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on January 27, 2020, 06:39:58 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/YsUaHaE.jpg)

more here (https://imgur.com/a/lX9JG8F#MTYat4i)

In ways it looks better developed and thought out as a sequel to TLJ but the question is how well they would've executed this vision.
It again shows how Disney should've A) planned this out from the start, B) delayed TROS instead of rushing it.

But I guess they had already thrown too much money at it and everyone on the cast was done with Star Wars so a delay wasn't possible.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Occam on January 27, 2020, 06:50:59 PM
https://youtu.be/Brbrdnh74yA

That was more fun than the new movies. The Stormtrooper uniforms/tie pilot helmet are wrong, though, they should be First Order style (everyone is wearing First Order insignias, too).
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Raist on January 27, 2020, 07:07:27 PM
Lightsaber guillotine :dead

:lol


Reminds me of that gem from whichever of the sequel trainwrecks that was:

"Execution by blaster is too kind. I want it to hurt"

*Troopers ready their goddamn laser axes for beheading*
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: bluemax on January 28, 2020, 01:13:47 AM
I think their biggest mistake was to get JJ "gotta love mystery boxes and big dumb one-upping everything" Abrams involved.

He just tried to cram so much shit in TFA, with basically zero world building, and a bunch of entirely open plots points with zero basis to work on.

Johnson got a lot of shit for "ruining" Star Wars, and in particular Luke, but what the fuck was he supposed to do exactly when Abrams left him with a world and characters that had so drastically changed since RotJ that the whole thing was barely believable.

And that's why I think VII-IX is vastly inferior to I-III (come at me Chrono).
Sure, the Prequels had their share of dumb shite, but at least they had some good character and world building, and didn't start retconning shit left and right.

I mean they're professional writers with an entire fucking galaxy of possibilities. Saying they had nothing to work with seems ridiculous and lazy now.

How could they have had Coruscant in Trevorrow's movie? Isn't that the planet they blew up in TFA? Or did I just misremember the whole thing.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Raist on January 28, 2020, 07:17:46 AM
What I meant is that Johnson was left with very little wiggle room when it comes to "wtf happened to Luke?".
He went from being a galactic hero in Ep. VI to being a goddamn hermit on a random ass planet.

So Abrams dropped that bomb and passed it onto whoever would carry on with the sequels, with zero explanation as to how exactly Luke ended up like that. People were mad at Johnson because "how could Luke possibly do that?!" but he pretty much was forced into that position by Abrams.

Same for "wtf happened to the Republic!", "who the fuck is Snoke?!?", "how did Solo go from a war hero who cared about all this after initially being only interested in getting paid, to getting back to his shitty smuggler job?!?" etc, etc, etc...
Abrams dropped all this shit as established facts beginning the new trilogy, leaving whoever would come next to direct Ep.VIII to deal with explaining all that shit.


Coruscant was fine, the super-duper-mega death star blew up the "Hosnian system" which was apparently the new home of the galactic republic, with the main planet being Coruscant 2.0 (both in terms of function but also visually).
Because reasons, I guess.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Himu on January 28, 2020, 08:02:06 AM
Remember when Disney freaked out because The Last Jedi only made $600 million domestically and $1.3 billion worldwide so they totally changed direction to appeal to people who didn't like TLJ? Well, looks like Rise of Skywalker might not even hit $500 million domestically and barely scrape by $1 billion worldwide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jz1TjCphXE

Ahahaha

Fuck off Star Wars
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Raist on January 28, 2020, 08:03:18 AM
Hehhh... I think the plots of both the OT (for obvious reasons) and the Prequels were a lot more self-contained.

Didn't need to dig into additional materials to get a good picture of wtf is going on.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 28, 2020, 01:24:29 PM
https://art19.com/shows/newcomers-star-wars

17 mins and its pretty decent - got to wait for the guest to come on and start explaining shit to them though. 

spoiler (click to show/hide)
'Hans Olo', 'Do you think he's Danish?'
[close]
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Boredfrom on January 28, 2020, 01:52:45 PM
What I meant is that Johnson was left with very little wiggle room when it comes to "wtf happened to Luke?".
He went from being a galactic hero in Ep. VI to being a goddamn hermit on a random ass planet.

So Abrams dropped that bomb and passed it onto whoever would carry on with the sequels, with zero explanation as to how exactly Luke ended up like that. People were mad at Johnson because "how could Luke possibly do that?!" but he pretty much was forced into that position by Abrams.

Same for "wtf happened to the Republic!", "who the fuck is Snoke?!?", "how did Solo go from a war hero who cared about all this after initially being only interested in getting paid, to getting back to his shitty smuggler job?!?" etc, etc, etc...
Abrams dropped all this shit as established facts beginning the new trilogy, leaving whoever would come next to direct Ep.VIII to deal with explaining all that shit.


Coruscant was fine, the super-duper-mega death star blew up the "Hosnian system" which was apparently the new home of the galactic republic, with the main planet being Coruscant 2.0 (both in terms of function but also visually).
Because reasons, I guess.

Being perfectly fair with Abrams and his stupid Mistery Box stuff. all this plot points could have been explained with cliche tropes at second film. Of course, is still scummy because JJ Abrams leaves the job of explaining shit to another guy.

Rian Johnson cardinal sin was trying to subvert the expectations and not playing ball. I feel he did a Knights of the Old Republic II, making Star Wars media for people that dont like Star Wars media. This is fine when is not on the flagship stuff but in the main films it feels like he just wanted to see If could get away with some stuff, making a film he wanted to make but not what the fans or Disney wanted. (Disney mismagement is another can of worms)

Luke is hiding because is trying to fight Snoke in his own way (ancient Jedi artifact, hiding his biological son/daughter, meditation), Snoke is an ancient Sith Lord or another form of force users, Rey is someone important daughter or is a reincarnation of the force like Anakin, etc. All of this could have been better explinations. Cliche but better than: "lol no we were no setting anything. Pay me."

Abrams set up was lame and directionless, but RJ decision of "fuck it lets not even try to follow up" created the dissonance. 

Disney and Lucasfilm mismagement were, at the end, the ones that fucked up. Abrams going to Abrams and Rian Johnson decided to not even try to play ball, Disney and Lucasfilm were the ones that decided this was okay until Solo bombed hard. 
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on January 28, 2020, 02:01:30 PM
https://twitter.com/InsideTheMagic/status/1221783682081546243 (https://twitter.com/InsideTheMagic/status/1221783682081546243)

daddy's back bois :lucas
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 28, 2020, 02:11:14 PM
There’s no way Disney’s that desperate.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Raist on January 28, 2020, 04:28:11 PM
What I meant is that Johnson was left with very little wiggle room when it comes to "wtf happened to Luke?".
He went from being a galactic hero in Ep. VI to being a goddamn hermit on a random ass planet.

So Abrams dropped that bomb and passed it onto whoever would carry on with the sequels, with zero explanation as to how exactly Luke ended up like that. People were mad at Johnson because "how could Luke possibly do that?!" but he pretty much was forced into that position by Abrams.

Same for "wtf happened to the Republic!", "who the fuck is Snoke?!?", "how did Solo go from a war hero who cared about all this after initially being only interested in getting paid, to getting back to his shitty smuggler job?!?" etc, etc, etc...
Abrams dropped all this shit as established facts beginning the new trilogy, leaving whoever would come next to direct Ep.VIII to deal with explaining all that shit.


Coruscant was fine, the super-duper-mega death star blew up the "Hosnian system" which was apparently the new home of the galactic republic, with the main planet being Coruscant 2.0 (both in terms of function but also visually).
Because reasons, I guess.

Being perfectly fair with Abrams and his stupid Mistery Box stuff. all this plot points could have been explained with cliche tropes at second film. Of course, is still scummy because JJ Abrams leaves the job of explaining shit to another guy.

Rian Johnson cardinal sin was trying to subvert the expectations and not playing ball. I feel he did a Knights of the Old Republic II, making Star Wars media for people that dont like Star Wars media. This is fine when is not on the flagship stuff but in the main films it feels like he just wanted to see If could get away with some stuff, making a film he wanted to make but not what the fans or Disney wanted. (Disney mismagement is another can of worms)

Luke is hiding because is trying to fight Snoke in his own way (ancient Jedi artifact, hiding his biological son/daughter, meditation), Snoke is an ancient Sith Lord or another form of force users, Rey is someone important daughter or is a reincarnation of the force like Anakin, etc. All of this could have been better explinations. Cliche but better than: "lol no we were no setting anything. Pay me."

Abrams set up was lame and directionless, but RJ decision of "fuck it lets not even try to follow up" created the dissonance. 

Disney and Lucasfilm mismagement were, at the end, the ones that fucked up. Abrams going to Abrams and Rian Johnson decided to not even try to play ball, Disney and Lucasfilm were the ones that decided this was okay until Solo bombed hard.

I mean sure, you could always find something here and there, but the sheer amount and scope of the stuff that was introduced, either with radical changes to the state of the galaxy, main characters, and out of nowhere "what in the fuck?" new things was just stupid.

Every single major character was unrecognizable. You have some serious 'splaining to do if you want to now tell people that Luke is a grumpy hobo hermit, Han said fuck it all and went back to his shady shitty job, Leia returned to being at the head of a small band of merry resistance folks fighting with scraps.

The Republic is basically non-existent, and it's like the Empire was never defeated. There's a new big bad guy who's quite clearly at the very least on par with Palpatine in terms of power and influence.
They somehow have a fucking goddamn PLANET turned into a mega death star-like weapon.

There's a new Luke 2.0 who's somehow super strong with force powers, lectures Solo about his own goddam ship, is the best goddamn pilot the galaxy has ever seen, etc.

Abrams came up with all this shit and went "there you go guys, you can deal with explaining all that crap yourselves I'm out lolz".
Like, where the fuck do you even start when you've been handed this.


Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 28, 2020, 09:07:25 PM
I think Rian did the exact same thing with the second movie leaving no where to go and nothing interesting himself with the movie having plenty of its own issues.

I do agree that Disney should have given the whole thing to one person or had a blueprint for the whole thing beforehand instead of allowing each director to do his own thing and make it up as they went along. I doubt I would have liked what Rian would have done based on the last jedi, but at least it would have had a coherent vision and feel which this trilogy didn't.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 28, 2020, 09:10:12 PM
twitter non-sense

Old person says he would do something if he wasn't old washed up person.

I like George but nobody is going to let him do anything of consequence with anything nowadays if he isn't financing it himself.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: bluemax on January 29, 2020, 12:13:40 AM
What I meant is that Johnson was left with very little wiggle room when it comes to "wtf happened to Luke?".
He went from being a galactic hero in Ep. VI to being a goddamn hermit on a random ass planet.

So Abrams dropped that bomb and passed it onto whoever would carry on with the sequels, with zero explanation as to how exactly Luke ended up like that. People were mad at Johnson because "how could Luke possibly do that?!" but he pretty much was forced into that position by Abrams.

Same for "wtf happened to the Republic!", "who the fuck is Snoke?!?", "how did Solo go from a war hero who cared about all this after initially being only interested in getting paid, to getting back to his shitty smuggler job?!?" etc, etc, etc...
Abrams dropped all this shit as established facts beginning the new trilogy, leaving whoever would come next to direct Ep.VIII to deal with explaining all that shit.


Coruscant was fine, the super-duper-mega death star blew up the "Hosnian system" which was apparently the new home of the galactic republic, with the main planet being Coruscant 2.0 (both in terms of function but also visually).
Because reasons, I guess.

Being perfectly fair with Abrams and his stupid Mistery Box stuff. all this plot points could have been explained with cliche tropes at second film. Of course, is still scummy because JJ Abrams leaves the job of explaining shit to another guy.

Rian Johnson cardinal sin was trying to subvert the expectations and not playing ball. I feel he did a Knights of the Old Republic II, making Star Wars media for people that dont like Star Wars media. This is fine when is not on the flagship stuff but in the main films it feels like he just wanted to see If could get away with some stuff, making a film he wanted to make but not what the fans or Disney wanted. (Disney mismagement is another can of worms)

Luke is hiding because is trying to fight Snoke in his own way (ancient Jedi artifact, hiding his biological son/daughter, meditation), Snoke is an ancient Sith Lord or another form of force users, Rey is someone important daughter or is a reincarnation of the force like Anakin, etc. All of this could have been better explinations. Cliche but better than: "lol no we were no setting anything. Pay me."

Abrams set up was lame and directionless, but RJ decision of "fuck it lets not even try to follow up" created the dissonance. 

Disney and Lucasfilm mismagement were, at the end, the ones that fucked up. Abrams going to Abrams and Rian Johnson decided to not even try to play ball, Disney and Lucasfilm were the ones that decided this was okay until Solo bombed hard.

I mean sure, you could always find something here and there, but the sheer amount and scope of the stuff that was introduced, either with radical changes to the state of the galaxy, main characters, and out of nowhere "what in the fuck?" new things was just stupid.

Every single major character was unrecognizable. You have some serious 'splaining to do if you want to now tell people that Luke is a grumpy hobo hermit, Han said fuck it all and went back to his shady shitty job, Leia returned to being at the head of a small band of merry resistance folks fighting with scraps.

The Republic is basically non-existent, and it's like the Empire was never defeated. There's a new big bad guy who's quite clearly at the very least on par with Palpatine in terms of power and influence.
They somehow have a fucking goddamn PLANET turned into a mega death star-like weapon.

There's a new Luke 2.0 who's somehow super strong with force powers, lectures Solo about his own goddam ship, is the best goddamn pilot the galaxy has ever seen, etc.

Abrams came up with all this shit and went "there you go guys, you can deal with explaining all that crap yourselves I'm out lolz".
Like, where the fuck do you even start when you've been handed this.

I think we all just assume there is a New Republic because we spent 20 years reading books where there was. It's not like RotJ ends with some RotK epilogue where we seem them establish a democratic government and everything goes peachy keen. I think almost anyone over 30 who pays attention to world events knows that just because you kill one "big bad", doesn't mean everything is Star Trek land 20 years later.

Han explains some of why Luke gave up and went into hiding.

Han and Chewie going back to smuggling is kinda dumb though.

And I agree with Boredfrom. The setup for the second movie was pretty simple and cliche. Luke is an old and depressed Sylvester Stallone, who reconnects with his passion and gets his redemption by training a new Boxe- Jedi to fight the monster he created. Snoke is Kreia's grand nephew or some other sith bull shit.

Ez pz.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on January 30, 2020, 12:00:03 AM
I think their biggest mistake was to get JJ "gotta love mystery boxes and big dumb one-upping everything" Abrams involved.

He just tried to cram so much shit in TFA, with basically zero world building, and a bunch of entirely open plots points with zero basis to work on.

Johnson got a lot of shit for "ruining" Star Wars, and in particular Luke, but what the fuck was he supposed to do exactly when Abrams left him with a world and characters that had so drastically changed since RotJ that the whole thing was barely believable.

And that's why I think VII-IX is vastly inferior to I-III (come at me Chrono).
Sure, the Prequels had their share of dumb shite, but at least they had some good character and world building, and didn't start retconning shit left and right.

:iface

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:doge
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Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on January 30, 2020, 06:29:49 PM
George could sense the Dark Side in him  :lucas
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on January 31, 2020, 02:00:39 AM
https://twitter.com/InsideTheMagic/status/1221783682081546243 (https://twitter.com/InsideTheMagic/status/1221783682081546243)

daddy's back bois :lucas

He had FULL CREATIVE CONTROL with the Prequels.

They were garbage.

That is all.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: TEEEPO on January 31, 2020, 02:01:20 AM
not episode 3  :miyamoto
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: MMaRsu on January 31, 2020, 02:56:14 AM
not episode 3  :miyamoto

lel
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Momo on February 01, 2020, 01:00:01 PM
Episode 3 memes are the lifestream of this planet
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 01, 2020, 01:56:16 PM
Yeah, if nothing else the PT gave us some GOAT memes. What memes did the ST give us?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Raist on February 01, 2020, 02:20:29 PM
Yeah, if nothing else the PT gave us some GOAT memes. What memes did the ST give us?

Can't think of any, really.

The PT has some meme-worthy dumb shit.

The ST just has dumb shit. Endless streams of it.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: VomKriege on February 01, 2020, 02:30:11 PM
Wasn't the Blue Milk already a bit of a meme back then in the fandom ?

Ben Swollo was fun.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on February 01, 2020, 09:13:24 PM
Save us and our merchandise sales daddy

"Did I ever tell you about the Whils?" :lucas

Anyway Lucasfilm was supposed to announce the next steps for Star Wars in January but whatever has been going on has postponed it.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 04, 2020, 02:01:06 PM
https://art19.com/shows/newcomers-star-wars/episodes/d2eba8a3-fe8d-4e2d-b530-1dbbe811912b
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Occam on February 04, 2020, 09:16:22 PM
That's painful to listen to. Those are some very ignorant people. I switched it off after they talked about how hard it was for them to watch Empire (the hardest thing they ever did in their lives!) and how they kept using their phones throughout.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 04, 2020, 09:43:10 PM
Ignorant about starwars  :ryker
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Occam on February 04, 2020, 09:59:59 PM
Nah, ignorant in general.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 05, 2020, 09:04:57 AM
and how they kept using their phones throughout.

 :oreilly
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: bluemax on February 05, 2020, 11:22:17 PM
Watching The Toys that Made us and... whew the stuff about Disney buying Star Wars did not age well.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Raist on February 07, 2020, 05:21:14 AM
Please be real :lol


https://twitter.com/magnysus/status/1225108959243071488
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: VomKriege on February 07, 2020, 05:37:13 AM
I like my cannon like my men : No Beta. :nope
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Yeti on February 07, 2020, 02:35:01 PM
It’s probably one of the handmaidens
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Raist on February 07, 2020, 03:05:39 PM
It would be absolutely hilarious if Anakin fell for it. Considering, you know, Padmé did that shit about 7 times in the PT.

Also, looking for the people who hid Luke from him?
How about the guy who sliced your legs off you dumb fuck.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: MMaRsu on February 07, 2020, 07:33:25 PM
Goddamnit ordered a poster frame to fit this beauty

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81XIJtIoO-L._SL1200_.jpg)

And it's just a cm too big on each side.. since the poster is 68.5cm wide, and the frame is 70cm. Ofcourse there are no 68.5cm wide poster frames for sale. Now you see the white back paper on the sides -_-

Any ideas?

ffs why cant I do anything right
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: MMaRsu on February 07, 2020, 07:58:55 PM
I dont I was googling for it.. I might have to go seek out a drawing or painting shop, maybe they have a big 90x102cm piece of black paper

Probably not with my luck tho  :lol

Pretty bummed now since I paid about 40 euros for the frame and maybe 20 total for the poster including shipping..
And I was looking forward to this all week since I ordered the frame I was like yeah finally Ill be able to hang this baby up

Gonna have to call around where I can get some black back paper..
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Coax on February 20, 2020, 11:03:36 PM
Hacker News linked this insightful article (https://ascmag.com/articles/the-mandalorian) by the American Society of Cinematographers that covers how The Mandalorian set backdrops were created and utilized with giant LED panels and incorporating Unreal Engine for real-time rendering. A good read with loads of photos.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on February 21, 2020, 02:09:58 AM
I dont I was googling for it.. I might have to go seek out a drawing or painting shop, maybe they have a big 90x102cm piece of black paper

Probably not with my luck tho  :lol

Pretty bummed now since I paid about 40 euros for the frame and maybe 20 total for the poster including shipping..
And I was looking forward to this all week since I ordered the frame I was like yeah finally Ill be able to hang this baby up

Gonna have to call around where I can get some black back paper..
Use the existing white backing and just get some black strips for the sides
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: MMaRsu on February 21, 2020, 07:51:59 AM
I dont I was googling for it.. I might have to go seek out a drawing or painting shop, maybe they have a big 90x102cm piece of black paper

Probably not with my luck tho  :lol

Pretty bummed now since I paid about 40 euros for the frame and maybe 20 total for the poster including shipping..
And I was looking forward to this all week since I ordered the frame I was like yeah finally Ill be able to hang this baby up

Gonna have to call around where I can get some black back paper..
Use the existing white backing and just get some black strips for the sides

I fixed it will post pics later
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: bluemax on February 25, 2020, 01:09:05 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCat5fXRyyU
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on February 25, 2020, 03:11:04 AM
Yep, crowdsourcing Star Wars stories. That should fix the problem Disney...
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Occam on February 25, 2020, 03:13:04 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCat5fXRyyU

I don't think I could be high enough to care.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Raist on March 01, 2020, 04:06:56 AM
Oh that all makes sense then now.

(https://i.imgur.com/M7qO4TL.jpg)


:lol
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 02, 2020, 04:43:15 PM
You got three movies to figure this shit out, but you end up having to explain what happened in a tweet.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Raist on March 02, 2020, 04:52:12 PM
You got three movies to figure this shit out, but you end up having to explain what happened in a tweet.


https://twitter.com/elijahwood/status/1229632586760081409
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Raist on March 05, 2020, 03:21:05 PM
So Palpatine is technically both her grandfather AND father then?

Cool.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 05, 2020, 03:41:56 PM
And her husband. The book also reveals that Rey and Palpatine got married in a very tasteful off-screen wedding.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 05, 2020, 03:52:38 PM
Disney's Star Wars: Everyone is a failed clone
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 05, 2020, 04:53:47 PM
I hope that Disney somehow gets Star Wars back on track one day, but I don't really believe that Lucasarts in its current form is capable of doing that.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on March 05, 2020, 06:48:13 PM
Some day someone is going to break NDA and reveal that Mike Stoklasa and Rich Evans where JJ's ghost writers.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Trent Dole on March 05, 2020, 09:04:35 PM
Well Episode VII was a close of Episode IV :teehee
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on March 17, 2020, 06:27:10 PM
I know, right? Say what you want about the prequels, but at least they told a coherent story even though the script was embarrassingly terrible. The sequels are just a mess, particularly the last one.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Raist on March 18, 2020, 04:32:37 AM
Yeah but they fly now.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on March 18, 2020, 04:58:17 AM
They talk about the "Skywalker Saga™", but what TRoS did was turn it into the Palpatine Saga. The Emperor became the main character, retrospectively fucking the previous 6 movies in the arse with a giant black dildo.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Ghoul on March 18, 2020, 01:51:01 PM
Finally got round to watching rise of skywalker last night.

I got about 30 mins in before I decided that this film wasn’t for me, should I try again?
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 18, 2020, 01:53:58 PM
Finally got round to watching rise of skywalker last night.

I got about 30 mins in before I decided that this film wasn’t for me, should I try again?
Nope. It doesn't get better.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on March 18, 2020, 04:24:36 PM
Finally got round to watching rise of skywalker last night.

I got about 30 mins in before I decided that this film wasn’t for me, should I try again?
Depends, are you watching it as a comedy or as some sort of meta-tragedy/horror as your childhood dreams are ground into dust by a giant corporation that sees you as a revenue stream?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on March 20, 2020, 07:09:19 AM
Moved on to episode 2 in my great Star Wars watch with the kids. They seemed to enjoy it.

However, just like episode 1, I feel that there is a decent story under all that terrible acting and cringeworthy script, only George Lucas was too self obsessed and surrounded by sycophants to find it.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 20, 2020, 01:14:14 PM
https://twitter.com/slashfilm/status/1241047640319483905

  :gladbron :gladbron :gladbron

She was the best part of Clone Wars
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on March 20, 2020, 06:17:00 PM
Had a shower thought this morning.

Episodes 1-3 are what happens when the director is more interested in the medium than the film.

Episodes 7-9 are what happens when the corporation is more interested in the merchandising than the film.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on March 20, 2020, 07:50:45 PM
Episode 6 is also what happens when the corporation is more interested in merchandising than the film
RotJ at least made sense and was a good film. I just got through watching it with my kids and outside of some Ewok stuff, it's a solid movie. The Emperor/Vader/Luke confrontation is probably the best scene in the whole trilogy. There are consequences and Mark Hamill gives a great performance.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Coffee Dog on March 20, 2020, 09:10:55 PM
EVERYTHING outside of the Emperor/Vader/Luke stuff sucks in ROTJ, imo.

Yeah but, the emperor/vader/luke stuff is easily the most important part of the script. If you imagine the opposite scenario - Han and Leia get fun subplots while the throne room is a bunch of meandering bullshit, it would be even worse.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on March 20, 2020, 09:18:58 PM
EVERYTHING outside of the Emperor/Vader/Luke stuff sucks in ROTJ, imo.
I dunno, I quite like the Jabba scene and the Yoda/Luke stuff is handled pretty well too. I don't even dislike the Ewok stuff to be honest.

I think much of the RotJ hate is just internet neckbeards trying to retrospectively find something to hate on after the prequels. The overwhelming consensus on RotJ before episode 1 was that it was a great conclusion.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on March 20, 2020, 10:12:29 PM
Yeah, special edition shit is irritating, but my memories are built pre-Lucas meddling.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on March 21, 2020, 03:10:25 AM
Watching episode 3 with my kids now. Haven't seen this since I saw it in the cinema. Fucking hell the script is plumbing unfathomable depths of shit. It's just fucking awful.


Update: Finished it. Wow, anyone that rates episode 3 as anything but the worst of the prequels is either in denial or just straight up brain-dead. It's sequel-level bad.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 21, 2020, 09:38:01 AM
ROTS has the best scene in the prequel trilogy, though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hoXNXSpmng

No dialog! :lawd
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on March 21, 2020, 09:45:13 AM
Gonna go ahead and assume that's sarcasm
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 21, 2020, 10:39:38 AM
No, see, the joke is that the dialog in the prequel trilogy is really bad.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on March 21, 2020, 04:44:13 PM
Can't take anything at face value at the moment. I just watched a bunch of Star Wars movies that weren't the original trilogy and was reminded that thousands of people had the opportunity to say, "are you sure that's a good idea?" and they didn't and others actually DID think those decisions WERE a good idea.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 21, 2020, 04:59:01 PM
Is there anything real in that scene what the fuck

George Lucas LOVED unnecessarily making a bunch of things with CG that didn't need to be CG.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: thisismyusername on March 21, 2020, 05:44:08 PM
Is there anything real in that scene what the fuck

George Lucas LOVED unnecessarily making a bunch of things with CG that didn't need to be CG.

You mean Peter Jackson?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on March 27, 2020, 05:49:17 AM
So, finally made it to The Force Awakens with my kids. Not even halfway through and this movie seeds about 600 "mysteries" that NEVER get answered.

They clearly had a plan for who Rey's parents were and they changed it last minute, they also obviously had bigger plans for Finn, Maz and Poe, but they got changed too.

Outside of a few cool set pieces, this is trash.


Edit: Finn and Rey were totally gonna smang too, but Disney clearly weren't ready to be that progressive. It's funny, cause Hustler magazine could do interracial porn in the 70s, but Disney couldn't do an interracial relationship in the fucking 2010s.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on March 27, 2020, 06:27:24 AM
So, finally made it to The Force Awakens with my kids. Not even halfway through and this movie seeds about 600 "mysteries" that NEVER get answered.

They clearly had a plan for who Rey's parents were and they changed it last minute, they also obviously had bigger plans for Finn, Maz and Poe, but they got changed too.

Outside of a few cool set pieces, this is trash.


Edit: Finn and Rey were totally gonna smang too, but Disney clearly weren't ready to be that progressive. It's funny, cause Hustler magazine could do interracial porn in the 70s, but Disney couldn't do an interracial relationship in the fucking 2010s.

Oh, hey. I didn't read it that way, but them starting off so angry at each other -- I bet you're right!
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Occam on March 27, 2020, 07:16:17 AM
So, finally made it to The Force Awakens with my kids. Not even halfway through and this movie seeds about 600 "mysteries" that NEVER get answered.

They clearly had a plan for who Rey's parents were and they changed it last minute, they also obviously had bigger plans for Finn, Maz and Poe, but they got changed too.

Outside of a few cool set pieces, this is trash.


Edit: Finn and Rey were totally gonna smang too, but Disney clearly weren't ready to be that progressive. It's funny, cause Hustler magazine could do interracial porn in the 70s, but Disney couldn't do an interracial relationship in the fucking 2010s.
Absolutely, that's why I was actually excited to see the sequel, despite all the rehashing and the awful parts (like the New Order just being there and having all those resources and a super weapon several magnitudes larger than anything the empire ever had, with zero explanation). They botched it so much, the degree of ineptitude is almost impressive.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Raist on March 27, 2020, 08:04:25 AM
Not even halfway through and this movie seeds about 600 "mysteries" that NEVER get answered.


(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-csEIrVJO1_E/VR3ANb5rohI/AAAAAAAAZ-8/qEu9g5-W2mI/s1600/abrams.JPG)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on April 03, 2020, 05:57:07 AM
Watching Last Jedi with my kids now. Haven't seen it since the cinema.

This absolutely shits all over the other two sequel movies. The story is coherent and there is a logic that is missing from 7 and 9. Outside of some unnecessary Canto Blight stuff and some forced SJW bullshit, this is the most Star Wars of the sequels.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on April 10, 2020, 06:32:02 AM
Watched The Rise of Skywalker with the kids about a week ago. That shit is just embarrassing. Not even worth talking about honestly.

Watching Solo right now and, outside the ridiculous fan service shit, this is so much better than any of the Disney sequel trilogy movies. I haven't seen this or Rogue One since the cinema, but I really like this film. I remember liking Rogue One more, but I'll wait until I rewatch it before making my final call.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on April 10, 2020, 06:34:39 AM
I keep hovering over the "buy" button on iTunes for Rise of Skywalker, and then slapping myself, wondering what the fuck I was thinking.

If I told 9-year-old me that there would eventually be an Episode IX and I would be super disappointed in it, I don't think I would have believed current-me.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on April 10, 2020, 07:02:02 AM
I remember growing up fantasising about these mysterious episodes 1, 2 and 3, just blowing my mind about how awesome it would be to see how Anakin Skywalker became Darth Vader. I played that story out in my little child brain so many times...and then the prequels were announced and that first trailer dropped and my 21 year old brain didn't think anything in the world could get more awesome.

Then the prequels happened and everything went to shit and they just got worse and worse as they went along.

Then the whole Disney thing happened and I celebrated because surely Disney would understand the importance of setting things right and would make sure things were done properly. Them the first trailer for The Force Awakens dropped and I was super excited again. Then the film dropped, and while it was really rough around the edges, there was potential. Then it became really apparent that about 2 minutes of thought went into the whole trilogy and the whole thing was just a massive joke.

Fuck you Disney.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 10, 2020, 10:52:14 AM
https://i.imgur.com/JBsNRbM.gifv
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Boredfrom on April 16, 2020, 12:38:20 AM
I’m playing Fallen Order, and while like it and I enjoying some the story... the Inquisitor shit is so lame. Holy fuck is like the most lame ass Edgelord stuff ever, feels like fan fic fetish stuff from a hentai doujinshi. “Torture made us evil, I hope the Emperor-Senpai notice us.” The Empire are bunch of incompetent dumb fucks until they suddenly they are not and torture  and brainwashes children. Go to Galaxy Edge to see Darth Vader doing a cover of You can’t touch this.

I don’t mind dark stuff in Star Wars but this stuff clashes with Cal and his robot buddy galactic adventures killing incompetent Stormtroopers (and then you find a Purge Trooper saying “Hit me harder”. WTF?).

The Order 66 betrayal stuff is way more affective in being grim dark depressing than “they tortured me and made me evil, hit me harder Cal”.

Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Boredfrom on April 16, 2020, 03:40:20 PM
I also cannot actually take Vader seriously, that is Lucas fault, but really I get why lore and pop culture wise he needs to be unstoppable but lol...

spoiler (click to show/hide)
It was a good ending set piece but the dude was more overpowered than in the prequels films, I was laughing all the way though.
[close]

Hope Cal and his crew get in a black hole and get magically transported to the post Skywalker Saga universe to survive all the Empire/FirstOrder BS. Need to see  the mandalorian to say if I want also him and baby Yoda to be safe of the Edgelord era.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Occam on April 16, 2020, 05:51:49 PM
Watched The Rise of Skywalker with the kids about a week ago. That shit is just embarrassing. Not even worth talking about honestly.

Watching Solo right now and, outside the ridiculous fan service shit, this is so much better than any of the Disney sequel trilogy movies. I haven't seen this or Rogue One since the cinema, but I really like this film. I remember liking Rogue One more, but I'll wait until I rewatch it before making my final call.

Solo and Rogue One were the best things to come out of Disney's acquisition of Star Wars, and the best Star Wars since 1983. Which is kind of sad, given the endless possibilities of what could have been created after Return of the Jedi.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: thisismyusername on April 16, 2020, 06:11:26 PM
Need to see  the mandalorian to say if I want also him and baby Yoda to be safe of the Edgelord era.

I mean, even if that wasn't the case: Only Yoda isn't safe (and IIRC he died in 6?) since it's Old Republic-era-ish?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Boredfrom on April 17, 2020, 01:11:16 AM
Need to see  the mandalorian to say if I want also him and baby Yoda to be safe of the Edgelord era.

I mean, even if that wasn't the case: Only Yoda isn't safe (and IIRC he died in 6?) since it's Old Republic-era-ish?

I’m talking about The Child A.K.A. Baby Yoda (fan nickname) from The Mandalorian
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on April 20, 2020, 10:51:31 PM
Finally saw IX and man I've seen sloppier movies, but they're all indie shit. :lol Jesus the editing, I thought BvS was bad but that looks like Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy compared to this... It's a shame cause every five minutes there would be some small thing that I'd like and hold my attention, but it'd just be drowned out a moment later... Also really not a fan of the stakes getting evaporated every half hour or so. TLJ annoys me more but it also featured a bit more artistry, and a story that actually took its time (a bit too much in parts like Canto Bight, but still...) Rise is the polar opposite, it's fascinating. Still doesn't make for a good movie, though.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on April 22, 2020, 04:19:40 AM
http://twitter.com/frikineka/status/1252192286433325056
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: MMaRsu on April 24, 2020, 01:05:20 PM
https://twitter.com/Dataracer117/status/1253241174715805696
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Occam on April 24, 2020, 01:41:29 PM
https://twitter.com/Dataracer117/status/1253241174715805696

They seem to have some kind of mental damage. And don't know anything about Star Wars. Perfect!
(I couldn't watch the entire clip because the way they talk makes my brain hurt.)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Momo on May 02, 2020, 05:39:16 AM
Holy fuck are these stupid people really trying to take legal control over a fan created hashtag on twitter :dead
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Momo on May 02, 2020, 05:45:25 AM
https://twitter.com/disneyplus/status/1254772307941191686

this isnt even legal :dead
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on May 02, 2020, 06:05:52 AM
Hey Kid do you like Star Wars?*

TERMS AND CONDITIONS MAY APPLY
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 02, 2020, 06:28:59 AM
They’ll be sending out cease and desists to kids for drawing a picture of baby yoda in art class at school next  :phil
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 02, 2020, 10:49:48 AM
:piss Disney :piss2
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 04, 2020, 03:42:19 PM
Finally got around to watch Rise of the Skywalker

Its not prequel bad, but I think Revenge of the Sith might have been better?

Idk I dont mind the nostalgiporn but its just not a good movie. Some decent moments sure.

If the Force Awakens and Rogue were a 9/10, Last Jedi was a 8/10, Solo a 7-7.5/10 this is a 6.5/10.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on May 04, 2020, 03:43:57 PM
Taika Waititi is doing the new Star Wars with a writer from 1917.

Disney ain't fucking around this time.




Although Taika might  :lol

If the Force Awakens and Rogue were a 9/10, Last Jedi was a 8/10, Solo a 7-7.5/10 this is a 6.5/10.
If they were, but they weren't

Force Awakens and Solo were solid 6's, Rogue One perhaps a 6.5 or a 7.
Last Jedi a 4/10 and ROTS a 3/10. I cut Last Jedi some slack because at least I could tell what the film maker was trying to do and he put a lot of effort in it.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 04, 2020, 03:58:43 PM
Geez, dude must havet at least ten projects he's working on right now.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on May 04, 2020, 04:06:32 PM
RoS had better moments, less exhausting scenes, and better stakes (despite knowing the broad strokes of how things turn out.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHuD5y-PZM0

It also had way better music.

I think Revenge is the better movie. But I'd be damned if I can sit through ep3 again to be sure. :lol
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on May 04, 2020, 04:07:17 PM
Fuck this god-forsaken franchise for having two "RoS" films

Jesus, JJ
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Post by: MMaRsu on May 04, 2020, 04:09:51 PM
Still have only seen TFA of the new trilogy  :rejoice

I remain garbage free
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 04, 2020, 04:17:44 PM
Fuck this god-forsaken franchise for having two "RoS" films

Jesus, JJ

It rhymes, it's like poetry.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 04, 2020, 04:47:59 PM
Nintex it just seems you might not like star wars dude.

All those scores make me believe you are around 27-30 and grew up on the prequels, am I right?

Nothing wrong with that but we just aren't on the same wavelength.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 04, 2020, 05:03:22 PM
RoS had better moments, less exhausting scenes, and better stakes (despite knowing the broad strokes of how things turn out.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHuD5y-PZM0

It also had way better music.

I think Revenge is the better movie. But I'd be damned if I can sit through ep3 again to be sure. :lol

I mean i might try rewatching ros when disney+ gets launched here

Trying to rewatch the prequels always end in tragedy
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Yeti on May 04, 2020, 05:09:34 PM
Fuck this god-forsaken franchise for having two "RoS" films

Jesus, JJ

If you’re going to have the ‘o’ from ‘of’, might as well have the ‘t’ from ‘the’. Then you get ROTS and TROS.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Steve Contra on May 04, 2020, 05:16:08 PM
I finally watched the last movie and it legitimately feels like a YouTube fan project with an enormous budget. The worst movie of all nine of them and that’s pottery high bar to get over.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on May 04, 2020, 05:28:07 PM
Nintex it just seems you might not like star wars dude.

All those scores make me believe you are around 27-30 and grew up on the prequels, am I right?

Nothing wrong with that but we just aren't on the same wavelength.
You are correct on my age range but I do like Star Wars. The Mandalorian was great, The Empire Strikes back is amazing.
I have played nearly all Star Wars video games and had a fuck ton of LEGO Star Wars as a kid.
In fact, I even enjoy the flawed The Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith.

However when I'm starting to rate things I can't score rushed Disney B-material on a 8 - 10 IGN scale.
So if TESB is a 10/10 Star Wars experience and a fantastic movie in its own right the others simply don't reach that high standard.
TROS is bogged down by awful scenes and unlike The Last Jedi it doesn't even look pretty. What's the point of a Sith Planet if you can't even see the damn thing.
The icing on the shit show was the revelation that you can will a million Star Destroyers into existence but you can't create a functioning GPS to make them useful.
All the ideas explored by Colin Trevorrow seemed more interesting than what Disney eventually ended up creating.

I have full confidence that if they let him Taika can fix Star Wars though. Knowing him he will probably make a movie about a Chewbacca rockband that is oscar worthy material.
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on May 04, 2020, 09:00:20 PM
Let Tetsuya Nomura put Star Wars worlds in Kingdom Hearts and have them and everything that happens there be canon, cowards
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: thisismyusername on May 04, 2020, 09:05:34 PM
https://twitter.com/disneyplus/status/1254772307941191686

this isnt even legal :dead

Disney owns Twitter now. Shut it down.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 04, 2020, 09:26:28 PM
Let Tetsuya Nomura put Star Wars worlds in Kingdom Hearts and have them and everything that happens there be canon, cowards

Let Nomura do Star Wars Remake! :bolo
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Momo on May 05, 2020, 12:38:30 AM
How is Clone Wars season whatever? I never finished the show because for whatever reason, eps felt so fucking long (I got the same feeling when watching the few episodes of Rebels) but I am interested in TCW revival for some reason.
The ending was amazing Ashoka's story is one of the few things relatively unfucked by Disney.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on May 05, 2020, 12:43:44 AM
How is Clone Wars season whatever? I never finished the show because for whatever reason, eps felt so fucking long (I got the same feeling when watching the few episodes of Rebels) but I am interested in TCW revival for some reason.
The ending was amazing Ashoka's story is one of the few things relatively unfucked by Disney.

Except her totally-dead-ass Force Ghost voice is in TROS :ohyou
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Momo on May 05, 2020, 12:45:32 AM
That's not canon to me because I closed that movie when Rey backflipped and cut a space fighter in half after pulling a space freighter from the sky with force powers :engel
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on May 05, 2020, 12:51:01 AM
Personally decanonizing TROS is honestly a smart move.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Momo on May 05, 2020, 12:54:19 AM
So many fucked things happen in a 5 minute span there I just couldn't. Kylo rips a necklace through space, Rey becomes Spiderman with a lightsaber, the force becomes a galaxy class tractor beam. I just couldn't :lol
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on May 05, 2020, 12:58:36 AM
Don't forget the Emperor having enough DUBSTEP FORCE LIGHTNING to disable an entire fleet yet still struggles somehow going one-on-one with a single tiny human...
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on May 05, 2020, 01:05:04 AM
A New Hope remade with action figures. Seriously impressive.
https://imgur.com/gallery/q9w6y
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 05, 2020, 08:41:57 AM
Don't forget the Emperor having enough DUBSTEP FORCE LIGHTNING to disable an entire fleet yet still struggles somehow going one-on-one with a single tiny human...

Its because his battery was low after that duh

Dont make me defend this movie plz i feel sick now
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 05, 2020, 08:44:50 AM
The ending was especially hilarious:

-bodega showing off his black guy hair prominently because disney is all about diversity
-lesbians diversity
-ewoks because why not

spoiler (click to show/hide)
ill admit ending it on tatoojne gave me nerdfeels
[close]
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 05, 2020, 08:47:56 AM
Positives:
-3cpo as always
-another cute droid
-another cute alien
-me and my wife coming up with a star wars themed game of thrones episode where jamie lanister is 3cpo and asks if someone didn't recognise him because of the arm
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Cheddahz on May 08, 2020, 09:45:06 PM
I finally saw Rise of the Skywalker and it wasn't good lol
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on May 11, 2020, 05:18:17 PM
The Mandalorian S2 not only will have Ashoka, but Boba Fett played by the guy who played Jango and all the clones are based on his face. And Hayden coming back for an appearance of Anakin.


:dead that sequels flopped so hard Disney is forced to dip into prequel nostalgia already

Goddamn this shit is so pathetic, but I fucking love it :dead

Keep being a laughing stock Disney :sabu :crowdlaff :point
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 11, 2020, 05:50:35 PM
The Mandalorian S2 not only will have Ashoka, but Boba Fett played by the guy who played Jango and all the clones are based on his face. And Hayden coming back for an appearance of Anakin.


:dead that sequels flopped so hard Disney is forced to dip into prequel nostalgia already

This is all going to be flash backs then?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 12, 2020, 02:43:55 PM
The Mandalorian S2 not only will have Ashoka, but Boba Fett played by the guy who played Jango and all the clones are based on his face. And Hayden coming back for an appearance of Anakin.


:dead that sequels flopped so hard Disney is forced to dip into prequel nostalgia already

This is all going to be flash backs then?

Put JJ Abrams in charge again and bring back flashforwards and flashsideways.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Momo on May 12, 2020, 03:19:09 PM
Okay so how long till they add Ewan McGregor and just call it a boogaloo
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: team filler on May 12, 2020, 10:17:42 PM
 :fbm
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Momo on May 16, 2020, 07:38:58 AM
Now Timothy Olyphant is in Mando too? Jesus Boogaloo :dead
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Momo on May 16, 2020, 07:40:18 AM
Wait Michael Biehn too? So much for a small Star Wars story :dead
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on May 16, 2020, 07:27:51 PM
I’m just happy that we have something that feels right. Episode nine felt more like a later Indiana Jones movie then Star Wars, with tombs, prophecies and hidden items, secret maps, it was all just the wrong tone for Star Wars movie. Mandalorian feels like the classic original film. Mostly.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Ghoul on May 16, 2020, 08:05:21 PM
The problem Mando is about to have is it’s now the main focus and the only successful thing they have
I’m pretty sure that season two will likely bury it which will be a shame as whilst not great it was good.
I can just see now that they’ll chuck everything at it and create some shit series because that’s how Star Wars works these days.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Coffee Dog on May 16, 2020, 10:59:05 PM
I already hit the mental eject button when Mof Gus pulled out an EU memesaber. As much as I want to blame Mando season 2 on the smash success of the first season, Filoni was already licking his chops and getting ready to throw in a buncha goofy shit
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: D3RANG3D on May 17, 2020, 12:45:22 AM
When that dude popped up as the new villain I was like who is this clown, why you gotta do the actual believably threatening villain like that.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on May 18, 2020, 08:01:17 PM
I watched episode four and five. A New Hope was my first time in maybe 10 years, and it was surprising how much the script allows hints of a much larger universe, and coming into the story en media res.

Empire Strikes Back was just about everything I remembered it to be. It is an absolute solid metal film, which continues to trend of using hints to imply story is bigger than just what’s going on onscreen. It was such a mind-blower at the time when Darth Vader says, “I am your father,” and again when Yoda says, “no, there is another.” What!? How!? It was so surprising.

Which is why it is such a typical JJ Abrams fumble that he uses a similar reveal, without understanding why it worked, when we learn that Rey is a Palpatine. The capstone for a 40 year series being blown as badly as episode nine is truly remarkable.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Momo on May 20, 2020, 04:09:28 AM
https://www.slashfilm.com/timothy-olyphant-mandalorian-character/
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Himu on May 20, 2020, 12:41:36 PM
Happy to report that I still haven't seen Solo, Ep IX, or Mandolorian and that Last Jedi killed Star Wars. I've pasted this into notepad and will post it once a year going forward.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: thisismyusername on May 20, 2020, 01:01:56 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/3fD44Gv.jpg)

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Just messing with you, love you.
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Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Himu on May 20, 2020, 01:11:38 PM
One of the worst comics of all time. The creator is an obvious putz.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Momo on May 20, 2020, 01:32:13 PM
Happy to report that I still haven't seen Solo, Ep IX, or Mandolorian and that Last Jedi killed Star Wars. I've pasted this into notepad and will post it once a year going forward.
You complain about this very kind of post in the Star Trek thread. I 95% agree with your post though.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Himu on May 20, 2020, 01:36:52 PM
Happy to report that I still haven't seen Solo, Ep IX, or Mandolorian and that Last Jedi killed Star Wars. I've pasted this into notepad and will post it once a year going forward.
You complain about this very kind of post in the Star Trek thread. I 95% agree with your post though.

I got over it years ago.

Meanwhile Star Trek thread has enlightening MMarasu posts such as "rewatching VOYAGER so much more fun than Drek!!!" (This is the equivalent of happily watching the prequels instead of the sequels btw)

Point me to the last time I posted in the star wars thread. Meanwhile star trek thread has deranged, you, mmrasu, et al constantly RAGGING about it. I moved on from star wars and made a short snipe post. Get on my level and get over it.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Momo on May 20, 2020, 02:14:56 PM
Lol ok.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: HardcoreRetro on May 21, 2020, 02:51:22 PM
(https://i.redd.it/thuouu45t5k11.jpg)

This better still be canon.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Yeti on May 21, 2020, 03:34:46 PM
One of the worst comics of all time. The creator is an obvious putz.

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Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 21, 2020, 07:00:40 PM
(https://i.redd.it/thuouu45t5k11.jpg)

This better still be canon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b_yQM5RTGU
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on May 22, 2020, 06:56:38 PM
:iface
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on May 22, 2020, 06:59:27 PM
She yelled at the ship with the Bounty Hunter that was supposed pick her up.

SHE WAS 5 FEET AWAY

FUCK YOU JJ ABRAMS  :lol
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: MMaRsu on May 24, 2020, 12:48:28 PM
Happy to report that I still haven't seen Solo, Ep IX, or Mandolorian and that Last Jedi killed Star Wars. I've pasted this into notepad and will post it once a year going forward.

Mando is pretty good though. Also havent seen anything past The Force Awakens and Rogue One though haha.
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Meanwhile Star Trek thread has enlightening MMarasu posts such as "rewatching VOYAGER so much more fun than Drek!!!" (This is the equivalent of happily watching the prequels instead of the sequels btw)

Point me to the last time I posted in the star wars thread. Meanwhile star trek thread has deranged, you, mmrasu, et al constantly RAGGING about it. I moved on from star wars and made a short snipe post. Get on my level and get over it.

It's pretty sad you have to bring me up everywhere. How am I not allowed to say that imo Voyager is better than any of the new stuff?

It's exactly the type of thing you posted in here  :lol. I mean most people agree that the newest Star Wars stuff is garbage though, although I personally haven't seen it. We also weren't 'ragging'  on Trek. Cmon Cindy. Lets keep it civil.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: CatsCatsCats on May 24, 2020, 12:54:01 PM
MM quit shitting around about it, already
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: MMaRsu on May 24, 2020, 12:56:51 PM
MM quit shitting around about it, already

??? I was only going to post that Mando was good. Then I saw Cindy mentioned me in another post. Im just trying to tell her that that shit isn't cool. Cut it out already.

Now I'm shitting around. Great  ??? ::)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: CatsCatsCats on May 24, 2020, 12:57:56 PM
Bruh you already make a few posts about this again today, just like, do something different is all
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 24, 2020, 03:29:07 PM
Why is everyone suddenly having meltdowns over Star Trek/Wars? You nerds need Jesus.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 24, 2020, 03:32:22 PM
Meltdown Rey
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 24, 2020, 04:45:18 PM
Gate is better than Wars easy and better than Trek.  Link to my discord (https://disboard.org/server/569747786199728150) in case anyone needs to be verbally abused into agreement. 
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: CatsCatsCats on May 24, 2020, 04:49:23 PM
Star gate is Ancient Aliens but p good
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: CatsCatsCats on May 24, 2020, 05:02:26 PM
I totally watched the first few, won’t disagree with that, do not rage, brother
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on May 24, 2020, 05:05:09 PM
We all know the story that the pyramids are Tombs of the pharaoh's constructed by slaves BUT some say these are actually extra dimensional landing pads for civilizations far more advanced than ours.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Trent Dole on May 24, 2020, 05:13:54 PM
The Mandalorian S2 not only will have Ashoka, but Boba Fett played by the guy who played Jango and all the clones are based on his face. And Hayden coming back for an appearance of Anakin.


:dead that sequels flopped so hard Disney is forced to dip into prequel nostalgia already
lmao that the preuels are good now, actually.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on May 24, 2020, 05:16:02 PM
They definitely ran out of even the most ridiculous ideas and the last one I saw was something like

"Ben Franklin discovered electricity, but could the founding father have actually been extraterrestrial?"
There's a bunch of them that are bonkers.

Jonah was swallowed by an alien whale is up there along with the theory that the Aztec temples were giant computer circuit boards or something and the evergreen classic the dinosaurs were killed by aliens.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 24, 2020, 05:17:17 PM
Guys can we keep the discussion here to Stargate and not Ancient Aliens? 
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on May 24, 2020, 05:23:37 PM
That show had better writers than Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker and Star Trek: Picard  :snob
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Mr Gilhaney on May 24, 2020, 05:24:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsntSNmkSwA
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tuckers Law on May 24, 2020, 05:27:04 PM
Indeed.

https://youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=808KWl4Lhyg
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on May 24, 2020, 05:42:30 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsntSNmkSwA
Imagine creating something so technologically advanced and at the same have everyone hate it.  :lucas
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 24, 2020, 07:04:14 PM
The ability to speak does not make one intelligent.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: naff on May 24, 2020, 07:20:11 PM
i wanted some chill sf to read the other day so i started reading the thrawn trilogy. so far it's hitting all the right notes. i like the way they're depicting the empire being relegated to the far reaches of republic space and being predominantly staffed by scrubs with power fantasies being dominated by one dude that need an ex jedi to boost the virgin masses confidence and ability to coordinate effectively.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2020, 01:44:02 PM
Watched Rise of Skywalker at home for the first time. 

Not much more insight to add than when I watched it at the theater. It's a super messy movie, that wastes a good cast and is poorly written.

It feels like those school papers you stay up the night before they are due and write and think you are doing great work but the next day you read it and none of it makes sense.

It also oddly feels poorly edited but I realize that is mainly due to things not being explained as it lurches around. 

The first two and last two episodes of the Mandalorian S1 make for a much better Star Wars experience.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2020, 01:56:14 PM
The only way to make Rise better is to either cut 50 minutes or add 45 minutes

I agree with you. Either you need to make it a breezy fun short romp like it wants to be but isn't or actually do the work and setup stuff, explain shit and connect tissue. It still probably wouldn't be a great movie or anything but it would make more sense than what it is currently.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on June 07, 2020, 02:19:56 PM
Simply adding 40 of those 45 minutes to the *start* of the movie and setting Palpy and the Final Order up (+ properly explaining shit with Kylo and Snoke and maybe even Knights of Ren and Luke's Temple flashbacks) would elevate it from like D- to B all on its own.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Pissy F Benny on June 08, 2020, 04:49:34 AM
They’d be better off making a new film and pretending it never happened :trumps
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 08, 2020, 07:33:15 AM
They’d be better off making a new film and pretending it never happened :trumps

They already tried that once. :lol
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: thisismyusername on June 08, 2020, 07:44:49 AM
Simply adding 40 of those 45 minutes to the *start* of the movie and setting Palpy and the Final Order up (+ properly explaining shit with Kylo and Snoke and maybe even Knights of Ren and Luke's Temple flashbacks) would elevate it from like D- to B all on its own.

Or... and this is a radical idea, I'm pretty sure... let Star Wars die/rest in peace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul5banXlgWk

Star Wars... had a hard life.

It honestly should've died once Lucas' interest in the IP waned (and I'd argue during the 00's, with the prequels). But if you really want to be argumentative:

I don't even have the urge to watch The Mandalorian, the world is just so small and not interesting that I don't have that false sense of wonder.

Like for every KotOR 1/2 and Mandalorian, there's 20 Expanded Universe drek that is not worth the time nor makes the series interesting enough to want to explore the rest of the EU. You could say that's on the writers part, and yes that's true. BUT the world design itself is just "meh." There's only so many desert, water, forest -themed planets you can do before they all run together in Star Wars.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: thisismyusername on June 08, 2020, 09:49:28 AM
One of the problems with the planets is that they film "on location," to cut costs (which is totally fine, I get why the business wants that). But they keep going to that one Desert to film for Tatooine and other desert planets.

I think Corescant is the only "planet"/city that they have to CGI? It's Disney (and Lucas at the time), they have the money. The issue is they won't put that money into green-screens in the sense that they probably feel it'd be too obvious, or because fanlings had a backlash toward the CGI Lucas DID do (Jar Jar) to where they don't try to spruce up and make interesting planets.

It's in goddamn space, make your imagination go wild with how planets look?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 08, 2020, 10:29:33 AM
One of the problems with the planets is that they film "on location," to cut costs (which is totally fine, I get why the business wants that). But they keep going to that one Desert to film for Tatooine and other desert planets.

I think Corescant is the only "planet"/city that they have to CGI? It's Disney (and Lucas at the time), they have the money. The issue is they won't put that money into green-screens in the sense that they probably feel it'd be too obvious, or because fanlings had a backlash toward the CGI Lucas DID do (Jar Jar) to where they don't try to spruce up and make interesting planets.

It's in goddamn space, make your imagination go wild with how planets look?

They need to somehow get Luc Besson to be in charge of production design for the next Star Wars movie, and then a good director to direct it.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on June 08, 2020, 11:05:54 AM
One of the problems with the planets is that they film "on location," to cut costs (which is totally fine, I get why the business wants that). But they keep going to that one Desert to film for Tatooine and other desert planets.

I think Corescant is the only "planet"/city that they have to CGI? It's Disney (and Lucas at the time), they have the money. The issue is they won't put that money into green-screens in the sense that they probably feel it'd be too obvious, or because fanlings had a backlash toward the CGI Lucas DID do (Jar Jar) to where they don't try to spruce up and make interesting planets.

It's in goddamn space, make your imagination go wild with how planets look?

And like 11 years ago they were already going to do a way more CG intensive show before Disney bought them out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tpTOwXVu8g
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Raist on June 08, 2020, 11:28:50 AM
They’d be better off making a new film and pretending it never happened :trumps

They already tried that once. :lol

I'd argue twice. In the same trilogy. Which also decided that none of the OG trilogy really mattered. Quite the achievement.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on June 08, 2020, 07:17:35 PM
If you haven’t already, you guys should look into how they are filming The Mandalorian. The camera matching, where the lighting is actually coming from, everything.  It will blow your mind.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on June 27, 2020, 09:29:21 PM
I'm re-watching SOLO, and realized if you want to experience a Han Solo heist adventure, just read SCOUNDRELS. The audiobook is pretty fantastic as well.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Scoundrels
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on July 24, 2020, 03:27:00 PM
https://io9.gizmodo.com/a-new-ship-from-colin-trevorrows-star-wars-episode-ix-i-1844487637

Anyone find it kinda weird that less than 8 months after the theatrical release Disney are testing reactions on the original version they never made since people seem to like it more than the actual movie they released?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on July 24, 2020, 03:37:17 PM
https://io9.gizmodo.com/a-new-ship-from-colin-trevorrows-star-wars-episode-ix-i-1844487637

Anyone find it kinda weird that less than 8 months after the theatrical release Disney are testing reactions on the original version they never made since people seem to like it more than the actual movie they released?
The film in your head is always perfect.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on November 13, 2020, 07:31:02 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/m4N6jVu.jpg)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on November 13, 2020, 07:31:08 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/dZyBSRF.jpg)

Leia :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on November 13, 2020, 07:38:59 PM
That's a "holy shit this coke is stroooooooooooooooooooong :jeb " face

"May the coke be with you" :jawalrus
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on November 13, 2020, 08:54:33 PM
Which movie did she have her coke nail in :dead

Empire. :lol
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on November 13, 2020, 08:56:21 PM
(https://images.ctfassets.net/23wh7e5ryr18/photo-40731/a2f12cbbada2e3db951224a78b06e019/40731-studio-54-carrie-fisher.png)

(https://external-preview.redd.it/juaMy0ZU14wCFLDNVSyLDRhClkpAZNOh5f1F4emo_fU.jpg?auto=webp&s=7675aac71e909038ca4b66ccc58c85246aa184e4)

(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/96/eb/21/96eb218aeb542d2ae0f4645ba4cb04bd.jpg)

She was also a big fan of Studio 54, and who could blame her. The one thing I regret being born too late to experience. :heartbeat

RIP
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: team filler on November 14, 2020, 02:20:11 AM
coke whore slut  :drool
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: BIONIC on November 14, 2020, 04:51:30 AM
So everyone else waiting for the season to finish before they pirate watch the Mandawhorian?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: daemon on November 14, 2020, 07:28:03 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/dZyBSRF.jpg)

Leia :lol :lol :lol

(https://www.sideshow.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/preview-full-image-8.png)


So everyone else waiting for the season to finish before they pirate watch the Mandawhorian?

GL avoiding spoilers I guess
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on November 14, 2020, 12:19:24 PM
https://twitter.com/freyasolo/status/1211473761750462465

I missed this. Boyega going "They've had them since the Clone Wars..." had me absolutely dying. :lol :lol The fuck, JJ.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: bork on November 18, 2020, 10:14:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATGbHjUKnqM
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 19, 2020, 03:50:53 PM
https://twitter.com/JayBeeTadena/status/1211915134152560640
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on November 19, 2020, 04:10:56 PM
:rofl Goddamn.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 19, 2020, 05:25:59 PM
It really is amazing how virtually every actor in the sequel trilogy came out of it hating Star Wars and hating Disney.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on November 19, 2020, 06:27:34 PM
And many of the fans! I really enjoyed episode VIII, but IX was just so frustrating. Kind of like Star Wars less less as a whole now.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: naff on November 19, 2020, 11:47:21 PM
I still haven't seen the last one. viii was the dopest mic drop, but also not incredible just like, a half decent movie that did a great job pissing off nerds. I'm done w Disney Star War. god jj just makes the blandest shit. MI3 kinda rules though.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on November 20, 2020, 01:38:12 AM
M:I 3 is JJ’s best film.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: team filler on November 22, 2020, 12:33:29 AM
babbie yoder is 50 and can't talk or understand any language  :doge it's one thing to age slow, it's another to be an idiot baby forever  :lol
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on November 22, 2020, 05:12:03 AM
He just doesn't want to talk to Mando.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 05, 2020, 02:48:11 PM
(https://i.redd.it/9n562zgcmcw51.png)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on December 05, 2020, 03:18:19 PM
M:I 3 is JJ’s best film.
And still the second worse MI.  :thinking
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 06, 2020, 11:07:16 AM
Mando is going full Star Wars porn after being pretty restrained in s1. Not sure if I like it or not, but the pace has been good and the plot has been generally interesting (if still more serialized than I expected.)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Sideshow Raheem on December 06, 2020, 04:16:37 PM
Mando is going full Star Wars porn after being pretty restrained in s1. Not sure if I like it or not, but the pace has been good and the plot has been generally interesting (if still more serialized than I expected.)

I was going to say season 2 is mostly a series of shameless callbacks. But I think Star Wars porn is probably a better way to describe it.

The second season seems creatively bankrupt. The first season wasn't brilliant, but it had its charms.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 06, 2020, 04:56:01 PM
Ehhhhhhh I think it's got a good balance of callbacks to the cartoons and new stuff going on. Could do without trying to make the sequel trilogy more coherent and make sense tho, just... just let that thing lie. It's done with.

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I am a hardcore Filoni stan tho, so

:yeshrug
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Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on December 10, 2020, 07:43:44 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo6imFkW4AQ6sV2?format=jpg)

A DROID STORY
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 10, 2020, 08:15:41 PM
Will more than 10% actually be good?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 10, 2020, 08:19:33 PM
Will more than 10% actually be good?

The only ones that will almost surely be good* are Rangers of the New Republic and Ahsoka, Favreau and Filoni are doing those. Rogue Squadron is a movie directed by Patty Jenkins of Wonder Woman fame. Bad Batch is a cartoon, Andor is a series about Diego Luna's Rogue One character, Visions is a bunch of short animated stuff, Obi Wan has been in development heck (not quite hell) and no one really knows anything about Acolyte, Droid Story, or Lando. If I had to guess I'd say about half will be from ok to pretty good.

*good depending on if you like The Mandalorian or not. I understand some of you hate good things so I guess you won't enjoy any of this.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 10, 2020, 08:24:49 PM
Visions is actually anime shorts. Could be interesting to see how those are handled.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 10, 2020, 08:42:36 PM
Disney got cold feet after Solo bombed and the main trilogy sputtered out, but then Mando blew up so they're all in on Star Wars series on Disney+.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 10, 2020, 08:57:03 PM
Which is honestly better.  Movie format is bad for space operas.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 10, 2020, 08:58:52 PM
Yeah as much as I love Rosario I'm out after Mando s2.

Finally done with SW :jeb
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Transhuman on December 10, 2020, 09:53:56 PM
I can only speak for myself but I definitely feel like it's a better way to be.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tuckers Law on December 10, 2020, 10:09:20 PM
You star war nerds with your boba fetts and infant yodas, I liked it better when Final Fantasy did it.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKIBAY9XYAA0cST?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Transhuman on December 10, 2020, 10:12:34 PM
I don't understand these references, it feels good. No more nonsense in my head.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: paprikastaude on December 10, 2020, 10:36:04 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo6imFkW4AQ6sV2?format=jpg)

A DROID STORY

 :whatisthis
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 10, 2020, 10:38:50 PM
Good or bad. I just am not interested. As I've gotten older I've been less and less interested in "universes". Like as a kid I never really wanted Star Wars to be expanded on, I wasn't interested in the universe of it. I was into the story of these three friends fighting against this cool sounding silly looking dude. Same thing with so many other franchisees. I don't need Matrix side movies. I don't need Murphy, the Robocop prequel. Gurren Lagann's story is over so let it stay that way.

What I'm saying is I've never been into these things that feel like you have to know all the lore to understand exactly whats going on. I'm not into lore. I'm into stories. I don't want things that exist to expand or explain lore. I don't give a real fuck about how the Star Wars universe works.

I'm not going to join this prequel revisionist history and say they are good. They are still awful movies. The sequels weren't awful, but they weren't anything. They did'nt take the story into any real exciting directions, instead playing a safe status quo redux, but this time without any actual direction.

Like all of these announcements do nothing for me. I'm sure some will be good. Maybe some will even take chances despite being under the thumb of Disney, but with the "Skywalker" mythos done I want new Star Wars. I want a new story that maybe has a few vestiges of what came before, but is uniquely it's own thing. Not tied to Empires vs Rebels or Sith vs Jedi. A want something that takes those themes and maybe some the visual identity and mythos and crafts a new fantasy sci-fi adventure.

I know we won't get that and so I'm just not going to care about Star Wars. Which is fine. I'm not hurt. Star Wars is'nt hurting me and it's not like I don't have plenty of other media to enjoy. I'd say Star Wars has kind of been irrelevant to me since Revenge of the Sith. But I do hope sometime soon a creator creates something new that captures the imagination like SW did, be it a Star Wars or something else.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 10, 2020, 11:04:17 PM
https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1337174593639829507

:dunno
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Boredfrom on December 11, 2020, 01:10:38 AM
Disney got cold feet after Solo bombed and the main trilogy sputtered out, but then Mando blew up so they're all in on Star Wars series on Disney+.

Obviously they understand that the reason that people liked Mando Season 1 was because the decent writing and production values... right right?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: MMaRsu on December 11, 2020, 02:39:37 AM
Why a series.. oh well could be good I guess
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 11, 2020, 02:55:47 AM
Disney got cold feet after Solo bombed and the main trilogy sputtered out, but then Mando blew up so they're all in on Star Wars series on Disney+.

Obviously they understand that the reason that people liked Mando Season 1 was because the decent writing and production values... right right?

I'm quite certain that they don't.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: MMaRsu on December 11, 2020, 03:38:30 AM
Lando?

No

We dont need Lando

fuck off Disney

We need KOTOR 3 and Thrawn Trilogy
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 11, 2020, 04:46:01 AM
Star War is a content farm now :aweshum
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: BIONIC on December 11, 2020, 06:53:49 AM
Star War is a content farm now :aweshum

Now?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: headwalk on December 11, 2020, 08:08:04 AM
i consider any piece of dumb EU fluff that remains unmolested by the mouse and confined to my overexcitable adolescent imagination a blessing.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 11, 2020, 08:26:36 PM
Hell yeah my favorite part of star wars is the homo robot butlers getting sassy

Well then you'll love Star Wars: Bad Bitch.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Trent Dole on December 12, 2020, 08:33:01 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo6imFkW4AQ6sV2?format=jpg)

A DROID STORY
Yeah I bet it'll be a Bad Batch alright. :teehee
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 12, 2020, 08:39:23 PM
Hell yeah my favorite part of star wars is the homo robot butlers getting sassy

Well then you'll love Star Wars: Bad Bitch.

I had to reread the logo like four times tbh :lol :lol
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on December 12, 2020, 09:11:54 PM
Andor could be cool I guess, Tony Gilroy yet again taking over isn't a good sign though.

I hope for Obi Wan they try to direct it like the prequels, use the same acting style, etc. and Obi Wan's fighting style becomes progressively stiffer and upright. Plus the best part will be when they finally explain why he aged so much between the films.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 12, 2020, 09:23:50 PM
If they wanna save the star war they should sign creative control back over to :lucas

Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on December 12, 2020, 09:27:34 PM
I was reading some articles about the Last Days of Lucasarts and George had some pretty hilarious ideas. Like for that Darth Maul game, they basically wanted to make Batman: Arkham but with Maul, and they show it to George and he decides it should be a game about Darth Maul becoming friends with some other Sith Lord or something.

Also, the reason that you don't have a Darth name in the two Force Unleashed games is because George's suggestions were like Darth Insanius and so bad but they weren't allowed to ever question George so they just dropped it from the game.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on December 13, 2020, 03:57:13 AM
Darth Insanius and Darth Icky, iirc.  :lol
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 13, 2020, 06:29:53 AM
Still better than the Disney trash :trumps
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on December 13, 2020, 08:16:59 AM
https://youtu.be/WlxuSILjRl0
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 13, 2020, 11:43:24 AM
gonna order a pair of Darth Yeezys
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 13, 2020, 02:57:27 PM
gonna order a pair of Darth Yeezys

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhBwd8iIcAAWj7e.jpg)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 14, 2020, 04:51:30 PM
Rian Johnson ‘Star Wars’ Trilogy Seemingly Scrapped (https://insidethemagic.net/2020/12/rian-johnson-trilogy-star-wars-rwb1/)

(https://i.imgur.com/ziqlntW.gif)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 14, 2020, 05:04:01 PM
They need to run the star war quickly into the ground even more so they can do a new :lucas trilogy before he dies :phil

Unless there has been one he’s written all along and this has all been part of the plan :ohhh
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 14, 2020, 05:10:45 PM
I guarantee you they'll do an animatic or motion comic or something for George's Ep7-9 treatments.

They already did a comic book adaption of his early drafts of ep4. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/The_Star_Wars

I'm also pretty certain Disney or Trevorrow himself leaked his ep9 (Duel of the Fates) script after the real ep9 got absolutely destroyed by press and fans.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Uncle on December 15, 2020, 11:48:27 PM
https://twitter.com/VinnieMancuso1/status/1338902386518216705
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 16, 2020, 12:14:33 AM
40 minutes of Canto Bight for 5 seconds of neat visuals. Woo.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 16, 2020, 10:13:06 AM
Also 5 seconds that really fuck with cannon.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 16, 2020, 10:32:54 AM
Also 5 seconds that really fuck with cannon.

"It's a one in a million shot!" -some ADR'd line in Rise of Rey Skywalker

I thought long odds were always 100% in Star Wars, lmao.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 16, 2020, 12:18:58 PM
guy_talking_indepth_about_star_wars_with_a_line_going_over_his_head_that_says_wow_cool_spaceships.jpg
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Uncle on December 16, 2020, 01:21:20 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/b4PMpKV.png)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 16, 2020, 01:37:30 PM
Also 5 seconds that really fuck with cannon.

Caring about cannon. :neogaf
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 16, 2020, 01:41:59 PM
Caring about cannon :nope

Caring about canon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptk_1Dc2iPY) :ohyeah
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Raist on December 16, 2020, 01:44:52 PM
Caring about Stur Wurz :neogaf
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on December 16, 2020, 01:51:20 PM
Caring  :neogaf
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 16, 2020, 01:54:16 PM
Car :neogaf
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: paprikastaude on December 16, 2020, 01:58:57 PM
https://twitter.com/RottenTomatoes/status/1339274302651203585
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 16, 2020, 02:02:25 PM
https://twitter.com/RottenTomatoes/status/1339274302651203585

(https://i.imgur.com/B0ul0Dwl.jpg)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 16, 2020, 02:06:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRo7PiltLUI
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 16, 2020, 02:26:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvaxwYn5s04

:rejoice
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: team filler on December 16, 2020, 06:00:58 PM
 :whew
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Sideshow Raheem on December 16, 2020, 10:54:33 PM
Remember when Boba Fett got killed by a blind guy with a stick? That was the greatest moment in Star Wars history.


Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on December 17, 2020, 09:24:59 PM
Remember when Boba Fett got killed by a blind guy with a stick? That was the greatest moment in Star Wars history.

I think GL is a petty autist who gets a shitty attitude when people don't like what he likes, and like other stuff (Boba Fett) more than he thinks they should.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 17, 2020, 09:34:05 PM
Remember when Boba Fett got killed by a blind guy with a stick? That was the greatest moment in Star Wars history.

I think GL is a petty autist who gets a shitty attitude when people don't like what he likes, and like other stuff (Boba Fett) more than he thinks they should.

I actually didn't think I'd see such an aggressive post from you, especially on this. 😬

But I lost my shit over fucking Batman the other day so who am I to talk shit :trumps

I also don't think you're wrong, but at at the same time, I understand George's perspective. It's his property.

Basically, imagine if you were at the receiving end of this, a thousand times a day every day for decades:

(https://i.imgur.com/UedazQQ.jpg)

I am completely unsurprised George turned out bitter. Between people not liking his direction on Jedi compared to Kershner's Empire, to his messy divorce (to the woman who legitimately saved the original Star Wars in editing), to the reception of the Prequels... yeah, I totally understand his mindset.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 17, 2020, 09:37:15 PM
I don't think Boba Fett had the following at the time of Jedi as he had in the intervening years and he probably wasn't killed that way out of spite by George Lucas.

It wouldn't surprise me if his toys from Empire were among the hottest sellers.

Also I'm not even sure Fett was a Lucas invention -- he originated in the Holiday Special, which as George will tell you, he had nothing to do with.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Sideshow Raheem on December 18, 2020, 12:08:49 AM
Remember when Boba Fett got killed by a blind guy with a stick? That was the greatest moment in Star Wars history.

I think GL is a petty autist who gets a shitty attitude when people don't like what he likes, and like other stuff (Boba Fett) more than he thinks they should.

If you actually look at the Star Wars, there's a trend of "important" characters being portrayed as completely useless and then dismissed in embarrassing ends.

I'm referring to cats like Qui-Gonn, Dearth Mall, Ackbar, Jango and Boba, Palpatine, Mace and his special Jedi pals, and Grievous. There's probably more.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 18, 2020, 12:13:57 AM
Dooku :lol
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on December 18, 2020, 01:33:23 AM
More like “Count Dooky,” amirite?

Seriously though, you were onto something with the Star Wars action figures. IIRC, Boba Fett action figure was initially offered as a prize that everyone was going crazy to get their hands on. End there was all kinds of speculation, back when the Star Wars universe thrived on having mystery involved, that Darth Vader and Boba Fett had a secret history together. Otherwise, why would he single him out for specific conversation in the debriefing? “No disintegrations…“ He said, pointing a finger.

I also think Darth Maul gets disserviced because Maul became popular before the movie even completed shooting. The designs came out as part of the pre-launch hype, and Darth Maul gets taken out like a little bitch.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: BIONIC on December 18, 2020, 08:22:22 AM
Only a couple of days before I ‘acquire’ the new Mandlawhorian season  :rejoice
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 18, 2020, 11:52:49 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsNwP_1kTZQ
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: team filler on December 18, 2020, 01:42:10 PM
Remember when Boba Fett got killed by a blind guy with a stick? That was the greatest moment in Star Wars history.

I think GL is a petty autist who gets a shitty attitude when people don't like what he likes, and like other stuff (Boba Fett) more than he thinks they should.

I actually didn't think I'd see such an aggressive post from you, especially on this. 😬

But I lost my shit over fucking Batman the other day so who am I to talk shit :trumps


it's 20xx and people are still mad online about da snyder cut  ;)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 18, 2020, 01:56:22 PM
:dead
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 18, 2020, 08:18:40 PM
Fuck ALL you Star Wars nerds who can't keep a spoiler to yourself for one goddamn day.

And also especially double fuck Slate.com.

And also, quintuple fuck Google in the ass, full force, without lube, on top of all the other shit they've been involved in this week, for surfacing spoilers in the news feed.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: team filler on December 18, 2020, 09:04:42 PM
I messed up and thought I had watched the last ep already, then clicked an article and got spoiled  :whatisthis
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on December 18, 2020, 09:08:40 PM
Fuck ALL you Star Wars nerds who can't keep a spoiler to yourself for one goddamn day.

And also especially double fuck Slate.com.

And also, quintuple fuck Google in the ass, full force, without lube, on top of all the other shit they've been involved in this week, for surfacing spoilers in the news feed.
I haven't even started the season and already know/seen this supposed end spoiler.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Assuming we're talking about Luke.
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I mean, it's not exactly a shock, given their obsession with cheap fanservice.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 18, 2020, 09:57:15 PM
So really though is Kathleen Kennedy the biggest bitch or the biggest idiot for giving the movies to JJ and Johnson instead of Filoni and Favreau
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 18, 2020, 10:01:28 PM
It's 20XX and Tasty is mad online about Star War!

:rage
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 18, 2020, 10:08:32 PM
It's 20XX and Tasty is mad online about Star War!

:rage

:umad

(https://i.imgur.com/9pZOYVn.png)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 18, 2020, 10:29:01 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
So baby yoda got got when Kylo killed the temple? Lame.
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Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Uncle on December 19, 2020, 12:35:11 PM
a whole bunch of jedi didn't get got when order 66 happened

you find out about more secret survivor jedi every other day
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 19, 2020, 01:18:59 PM
a whole bunch of jedi didn't get got when order 66 happened

you find out about more secret survivor jedi every other day

OK.

Well then that means Luke going into hiding in shame makes even less sense now.

The more they try to make these pieces fit, the uglier the puzzle that is Star Wars will look.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 19, 2020, 02:36:31 PM
WSJ: It's 20XX and writers are mad in court about Star War! (https://www.wsj.com/articles/star-wars-novelists-seek-years-of-missing-royalty-payments-from-disney-11608393600)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 19, 2020, 02:54:01 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
OK, there is no court/lawsuit aspect to this yet, but that's probably where things will go if Disney keeps dragging their asses.

Quote
While Disney has mined Lucasfilm for new movies that have collectively grossed nearly $6 billion at the world-wide box office, these writers say the company has delayed dealing with their complaints and stiffed them on checks that rarely total a few thousand bucks apiece.

Reasons 982 I fucking hate Disney and their outsized influence on everything.
[close]
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 19, 2020, 03:24:14 PM
How Disney and Lucasfilm Are Remaking Star Wars in the Image of Marvel Studios (https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/disney-star-wars-marvel-studios-1234866986/)

Quote
Crucially, Lucasfilm is also adopting the full Marvel format by interlocking “The Book of Boba Fett,” “Ahsoka” and “Rangers of the New Republic” within the timeline established by “The Mandalorian.” All these series will be executive produced by Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni, the two figures at Lucasfilm who, even more than Kennedy, now come closest to holding the kind of overarching vision so famously employed by Marvel Studios chief Kevin Feige.

:ohyeah

Quote
And they all will, in the stodgy language of Disney’s investors day announcement, “culminate in a climactic story event.” In other words, Lucasfilm is aiming for its own “Avengers.”

:nope
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on December 19, 2020, 05:05:51 PM
I know thie Dave Felloni is regarded as some kind of Star Wars Saviour for some reason, but Mandalorian seems to be mostly dogshit with amazing special effects on top, so far.
(only watched 1 ep of S2 though).
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2020, 10:57:07 PM
Quote
And they all will, in the stodgy language of Disney’s investors day announcement, “culminate in a climactic story event.” In other words, Lucasfilm is aiming for its own “Avengers.”
"We call it Star Wars"

spoiler (click to show/hide)
"Episode VII"
[close]
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: BIONIC on December 20, 2020, 11:08:00 AM
Watched the new season over two days.

I liked it  :idont

Anyways, back to Cyberpunk  :vr
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: zomgee on December 20, 2020, 03:40:59 PM
Thanks Google News for spoiling the super secret character at the end of Mando.  Hell's wrong with you?

Dicks.

Still well done season.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: BIONIC on December 20, 2020, 03:51:52 PM
Thanks Google News for spoiling the super secret character at the end of Mando.  Hell's wrong with you?

Dicks.

Still well done season.

I couldn’t believe it when Darth Jar Jar sliced Boba in half. Crazy shit.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: zomgee on December 20, 2020, 05:43:16 PM
Thanks Google News for spoiling the super secret character at the end of Mando.  Hell's wrong with you?

Dicks.

Still well done season.

I couldn’t believe it when Darth Jar Jar sliced Boba in half. Crazy shit.

Wait

Boba Fett was in this?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 21, 2020, 04:35:59 AM
Actually it’s his degenerate brother Boba Feet

:rodney
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: MMaRsu on December 21, 2020, 04:57:03 AM
https://twitter.com/VinnieMancuso1/status/1338902386518216705

I havent even seen this trash fire but this reminds me of people calling Star Trek Picard's scene where they have the Borg cube crash on a planet sooo cool and awesome

Like what. Who cares. It's CG. It has zero impact.

Fuck off with your special effects drivel.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on December 21, 2020, 08:20:31 PM
Found out that I have to sign up not just for Disney deluxe but also a Dokomo service with a credit card to watch Mandalorian in Japan. Instead I have broken my 3 to 5 year embargo on the Internet store, and now have both seasons. I am watching the first one again.

This is some good star war.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: zomgee on December 21, 2020, 08:45:19 PM
https://twitter.com/VinnieMancuso1/status/1338902386518216705

I havent even seen this trash fire but this reminds me of people calling Star Trek Picard's scene where they have the Borg cube crash on a planet sooo cool and awesome

Like what. Who cares. It's CG. It has zero impact.

Fuck off with your special effects drivel.

If you look past all the bugs Cyberpunk is a great game with gorgeous graphics. 

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Then again cyberpunk can be fixed in a few months. Star War 8 is forever.
[close]
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 21, 2020, 09:49:26 PM
https://twitter.com/VinnieMancuso1/status/1338902386518216705

I havent even seen this trash fire but this reminds me of people calling Star Trek Picard's scene where they have the Borg cube crash on a planet sooo cool and awesome

Like what. Who cares. It's CG. It has zero impact.

Fuck off with your special effects drivel.

But this is actually a really cool scene, though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx_1UIWI_tY
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: ShutUp on December 21, 2020, 10:01:41 PM
So really though is Kathleen Kennedy the biggest bitch or the biggest idiot for giving the movies to JJ and Johnson instead of Filoni and Favreau

Force Awakens was a nice restart after the prequels. Rian Johnson then actually took a few risks with where to go in the story and instead of fucking sticking with the ending of Last Jedi, Disney/Lucas films/whatever panicked because the MUH CHILDHOOD! crowd threw tantrums and we got the mess that was Rise of Skywalker as a result.

Now today I see the article by Forbes talking about how Disney's Star Wars has been swallowed by nostalgia.  :lol

These assholes got Last Jedi and the exciting possibilities it gave us, whined they didn't want it and now its back to complaining about nostalgia. Nah, they gave those who complained exactly what they wanted with these callbacks and shit. They deserve to be stuck with it forever.

Meanwhile, Rian Johnson got to make the amazing Knives Out and three years later can still say "I told you so" about Star Wars needing to let the past go.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: ShutUp on December 21, 2020, 10:03:52 PM
https://twitter.com/VinnieMancuso1/status/1338902386518216705

I havent even seen this trash fire but this reminds me of people calling Star Trek Picard's scene where they have the Borg cube crash on a planet sooo cool and awesome

Like what. Who cares. It's CG. It has zero impact.

Fuck off with your special effects drivel.

If you look past all the bugs Cyberpunk is a great game with gorgeous graphics. 

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Then again cyberpunk can be fixed in a few months. Star War 8 is forever.
[close]

Episode 8, the only movie besides Empire Strikes Back to do something interesting in the franchise.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 21, 2020, 11:07:17 PM
https://twitter.com/VinnieMancuso1/status/1338902386518216705

I havent even seen this trash fire but this reminds me of people calling Star Trek Picard's scene where they have the Borg cube crash on a planet sooo cool and awesome

Like what. Who cares. It's CG. It has zero impact.

Fuck off with your special effects drivel.

If you look past all the bugs Cyberpunk is a great game with gorgeous graphics. 

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Then again cyberpunk can be fixed in a few months. Star War 8 is forever.
[close]

Episode 8, the only movie besides Empire Strikes Back to do something interesting in the franchise.

Yeah, burn it down. ‎️‍🔥
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: remy on December 21, 2020, 11:42:55 PM
https://twitter.com/VinnieMancuso1/status/1338902386518216705

I havent even seen this trash fire but this reminds me of people calling Star Trek Picard's scene where they have the Borg cube crash on a planet sooo cool and awesome

Like what. Who cares. It's CG. It has zero impact.

Fuck off with your special effects drivel.

Obviously, in a shitty gif with no audio it has no impact, but in the theatre that ram was fucking awesome.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: BIONIC on December 22, 2020, 12:09:07 AM
So really though is Kathleen Kennedy the biggest bitch or the biggest idiot for giving the movies to JJ and Johnson instead of Filoni and Favreau

Force Awakens was a nice restart after the prequels. Rian Johnson then actually took a few risks with where to go in the story and instead of fucking sticking with the ending of Last Jedi, Disney/Lucas films/whatever panicked because the MUH CHILDHOOD! crowd threw tantrums and we got the mess that was Rise of Skywalker as a result.

Now today I see the article by Forbes talking about how Disney's Star Wars has been swallowed by nostalgia.  :lol

These assholes got Last Jedi and the exciting possibilities it gave us, whined they didn't want it and now its back to complaining about nostalgia. Nah, they gave those who complained exactly what they wanted with these callbacks and shit. They deserve to be stuck with it forever.

Meanwhile, Rian Johnson got to make the amazing Knives Out and three years later can still say "I told you so" about Star Wars needing to let the past go.

What’s your ree username?  ::)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Raist on December 22, 2020, 04:46:24 AM
https://twitter.com/badtakeblake/status/1336781063469731840
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Uncle on December 22, 2020, 12:43:02 PM
These assholes got Last Jedi and the exciting possibilities it gave us

what exciting possibilities?

force kid with broom at the end? we already knew random kids could be force sensitive, the prequels showed us the younglings

killing off the only villain and leaving the movie directionless?

like where the fuck where they supposed to go with it, I want a list of the exciting possibilities that were somehow ONLY enabled by the specific maneuverings of last jedi

(https://i.imgur.com/UfIiPm1.gif)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on December 22, 2020, 12:46:16 PM
The exciting possibilty of a Rose and Finn Sitcom spin-off called REBEL AND TROOPER  :neogaf
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Uncle on December 22, 2020, 12:54:40 PM
rey and kylo could've done something interesting joining together and forging a new path without the trappings of the old ways

except riann sabotaged his own idea before he even ended the movie by quickly returning the story to the status quo of good guys and bad guys
:neogaf

"join me rey btw I still plan on killing everyone you love  :-[ "

then rise of skywalker went ahead and brought them together anyway
:trumps
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 22, 2020, 01:09:52 PM
I guess love can bloom on the battlefield!
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 22, 2020, 01:45:32 PM
"No, Rey. You are the Star Wars."

And then, Rey was a Death Star.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: team filler on December 22, 2020, 03:58:10 PM
Quote
"My four daughters watch this and obviously the world is like, 'It's the Baby Yoda show,' and I'm never jealous or have any problem with that, but I have to say, two of my daughters texted me and two of them [called] me: 'Papa, please don't hurt that baby. Don't hurt that baby,'" Giancarlo said. "And I said, 'I will squash that little big-eared bastard.'"
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 22, 2020, 04:14:21 PM
Quote
"My four daughters watch this and obviously the world is like, 'It's the Baby Yoda show,' and I'm never jealous or have any problem with that, but I have to say, two of my daughters texted me and two of them [called] me: 'Papa, please don't hurt that baby. Don't hurt that baby,'" Giancarlo said. "And I said, 'I will squash that little big-eared bastard.'"

:bow Gus :bow2
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 24, 2020, 10:18:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZCo_hZLyh0

Audience: :ohhh :mindblown :crazy
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: team filler on December 24, 2020, 05:39:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4AmSVb6Hew
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: daemon on December 24, 2020, 09:14:16 PM
https://twitter.com/VinnieMancuso1/status/1338902386518216705

I havent even seen this trash fire but this reminds me of people calling Star Trek Picard's scene where they have the Borg cube crash on a planet sooo cool and awesome

Like what. Who cares. It's CG. It has zero impact.

Fuck off with your special effects drivel.

If you look past all the bugs Cyberpunk is a great game with gorgeous graphics. 

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Then again cyberpunk can be fixed in a few months. Star War 8 is forever.
[close]

Episode 8, the only movie besides Empire Strikes Back to do something interesting in the franchise.

I always wanted to see a glittering space-hovering grandma.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on December 24, 2020, 09:23:05 PM
https://youtu.be/_ayT0EZwbks
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: daemon on December 24, 2020, 11:06:37 PM
Boba noticed luke on cloud city and prevented solos recovery. He fought luke but was nearly hit by deflected friendly fire. Solo got a cheap lucky shot. He was not shown fighting scrubs like in the mandalorian in the OT.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 24, 2020, 11:27:49 PM
https://youtu.be/_ayT0EZwbks

Green Luke best Luke
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on December 25, 2020, 03:56:10 AM
http://twitter.com/Rodriguez/status/1342349674334748672
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Sideshow Raheem on December 25, 2020, 04:00:11 AM
I would have more respect for Star Wars if Rose and Finn both died in the speeder crash at the end of whatever movie it was with the slow-speed space chase.

A space technician could have examined the crash and maybe nudged some of Rose's body chunks with his foot. Then he could have shaken his head in disbelief someone could be so stupid, and walked away.

Oh, and Merry Life Day, fannerds.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 25, 2020, 12:38:35 PM
:dead
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: daemon on December 25, 2020, 09:28:43 PM
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/336315695019065345/791563843221979146/SPOILER_a7Wjo3A_700bwp.png)

Luke teaching a class of younglings: So today we'll learn about... - oh hey Ben... Why are you igniting your lightsaber?


"I'll finish what you started"


<Anakin force ghost looking at the scene>

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f7/c7/04/f7c70431756eaabdaa916a21d0e25428.jpg)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: daemon on December 25, 2020, 11:32:13 PM
This is a meme I did a few weeks ago

(https://i.imgur.com/MlEh8Vo.png)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: D3RANG3D on December 27, 2020, 09:18:49 AM
S2 of Mando was just a launchpad for shows they want to make.  :nope
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 27, 2020, 09:19:43 AM
S2 of Mando was just a launchpad for shows they want to make.  :nope

The Iron Man 2 of Mando seasons. :shaq2
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on December 28, 2020, 08:12:43 AM
The last ep of Mando S2 seemed to be trying to do what the Defenders did with the Netflix marvel shows, except they rushed it because the big ensemble group didn't actually get their own shows yet for that to be the big epic team up.

Also on a story level, its kind of good I guess? that Mando gives up on his helmet only, final destination creed out of choice for baby yoda, but the whole thing being wrapped up by Luke Ex Machina is lame.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on December 28, 2020, 09:45:12 AM
The second half of the season had at least *something* happen.
The first 3 episodes were literally Z-tier fetch quest in an open world game.

This is basically a collection of pretty landscapes and props so far, there is 0 story and near 0 character development.

I'm not very familiar with the characters, but the episodes with Ashoka and punished Boba, had at least a little spark of life in them, so it makes me think the only way for this thing to have any arcs, is to indeed, borrow from other SW stories, which is sad in itself.
The Bill Burr guy had probably the most development put into, in the whole show, and he was in 2 episodes out of 16.
Mando in particular is awful, and a horrible main protagonist.
Gordon Freeman had more charisma.

Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on December 28, 2020, 09:57:10 AM
The first season was pretty good, will catch the second season at some time but not really in a rush.
I don't think this series really needed a second season to begin with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7EB4ZYWKYI
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on December 28, 2020, 10:40:34 AM
Even as side-quests, they just aren't interesting. The planets are pretty bland, the creatures are run of the mill, there are no interesting gimmicks, Mando doesn't come up with anything intelligent to get over obstacles... it's literally just pretty vistas and cool puppets.
Every action scene with Mando in it, is him walking (slowly) through a corridor, shooting at people as his shitty armor does the job for him (or everybody missing their shots because "lol Stormtroopers can't aim").
There are no stakes.

At least that Asian chick was doing rolls and shit.
I agree the second half is embarrassing with the fan service, but again, at least you're getting characters with a back story.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on December 28, 2020, 10:49:23 AM
Yeah, I agree with Stro, I think I like the 'side quest' parts of Mando more tbh.
The sarlacc hunt was pretty good. So was the passenger delivery, and both seasons Bill Burr heist eps.

I think its pretty unfair to say he wasn't planning stuff, and then trying to recover the plans, and I quite like how understated his stoicism in the face of everything going to shit can be.
He just does that little shoulders down 'ugh' moment before trying to wing it when everythings gone to shit.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on December 28, 2020, 10:52:31 AM
I mean, fuck, the whole show is Lone Wolf and Cub with a dash of Man With No Name in the Star Wars universe
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on December 28, 2020, 10:59:24 AM
The dragon hunt was basic as fuck tho.
They just plant some explosives on the ground and then use the "let yourself get swallowed" trick to kill it.
Seems bottom of the barrel ideas to me.  :yeshrug

The Bill Burr episode is the only one i liked, the planet was nice looking (though again, just a regular forest) and not a fucking desert for once, and Bill Burr got some decent development, even though they once again undermine their own tension when they get discovered, and just mow down the whole base without a scratch.

Mando soft stoicism is like the boring PG version of Karl Urban's Dredd, only he's just completely non-threatening.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 28, 2020, 11:13:58 AM
I've only watched 1 ep of series 2 but anything that gives my boy Timmy O some shine is fine by me :hmph

spoiler (click to show/hide)
especially cuz he was pretty much just space raylan givens :trumps
[close]
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: BIONIC on December 28, 2020, 11:17:43 AM
Imagine giving critical thought and analysis for Star War in 20XX  :ahnuld2
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 28, 2020, 11:35:24 AM
stro is a sasha banks mark? :scust
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: team filler on December 28, 2020, 12:53:58 PM
 :drool
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 28, 2020, 02:09:10 PM
HOT TAKE: people are so fucking pissed and divided over star wars because they realize they were dumb as kids and this is their only way of getting revenge
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on December 28, 2020, 04:36:02 PM
The idea that Star Wars is impossible to make into something decent is absurd, when you consider that it's just space fantasy, the simplest setting there is, to do some fun adventure romp.

The problem is they keep overthinking it as some kind of spiritual sacred cow about whatever the fuck, or get completely tangled in its own legacy (see the new trilogy).

Nobody wants Tolstoj from Star Wars, a competent adventure in three acts with some creativity thrown in, would make most people happy.

At least Mandalorian tried to do that in Season 1, despite working with terrible scripts and characters.
It was a step in the right direction, before season 2 immediately started connecting the dots with everything else again.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on December 28, 2020, 05:35:16 PM
I'm cool with The Mandalorian just being a western/samurai show set in the Star Wars universe. I don't need deep character development and story arcs that go for multiple seasons. Just give me cool bad guys making hell for the townsfolk and Mando and friends solving the problem of the week. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: daemon on December 28, 2020, 10:43:40 PM
Star War Bad. Except for the fact it genuinely made fx advances, audio advances, created ILM, THX.

The story is just a vessel for technological creativity surrounding it.

It's always been that way, and it should always be that way, without directors trying to bamboozle you with shyamalan twists. Sadly, that was the most enjoyable of the three sequels when it came to visual language and originality.

When it comes to the PT, the rise of Palpatine through sheer political manipulation is realistic af, as he literally divided the republic in two factions to just reap the winnings of either one. Dunno, pretty relevant almost two decades later.

The SW of Lucas can be odd at some points, but a single frame can convey so much information that it created a new piece of canon. You got a guy that stands out of the ordinary in Tatooine? Bam, that's an undercover Jedi named Quinlan Vos.




spoiler (click to show/hide)
At least better than the Benny Hill show in space that is Star Trek
[close]


I'm cool with The Mandalorian just being a western/samurai show set in the Star Wars universe. I don't need deep character development and story arcs that go for multiple seasons. Just give me cool bad guys making hell for the townsfolk and Mando and friends solving the problem of the week. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Yeah, mostly this. Still, it's only normal there's an underlying plot. I understand them bringing
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Luke in because of the absolute disservice they did to him in the ST
[close]









Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on December 29, 2020, 06:32:54 AM
Just finished The Mandalorian S2. Was pretty good.

Much better than anything Star Wars that Disney have put their name to since they acquired the franchise.

I didn't mind the fan service throughout, even though most of it went over my head (having only watched a smattering of The Clone Wars and none of Rebels). I also didn't mind the way they basically made it a series of pilots for the spin off shows they're launching either.

I guess it's done its job as I'm keen for more of The Mandalorian and I'm interested in trying out the new shows.

Haven't felt this positive about Star Wars since 2 June 1999.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 29, 2020, 05:06:45 PM
the best film in the franchise was released :trumps
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 29, 2020, 05:11:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePDiQ1uTrWI

Not sure how much I trust this Filoni dude anymore :hmm
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: team filler on December 29, 2020, 05:21:35 PM
about as much as I trust a brand of salsa made in new york city
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: BIONIC on December 29, 2020, 05:28:34 PM
About as much as I trust stost
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 29, 2020, 05:29:45 PM
Can you really trust a guy who wears a black cowboy hat at all times despite not  being a cowboy and being from a suburb of Pittsburgh?

Maybe he really wants to wear a fedora but knows how tainted that image is?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: team filler on December 29, 2020, 05:29:57 PM
About as much as I trust stost
GET A ROPE!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX2AyjVrrck
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on December 30, 2020, 07:52:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePDiQ1uTrWI

Not sure how much I trust this Filoni dude anymore :hmm
Lo forward to seeing Jar Ja in S3. (https://i.imgur.com/P2XViF9.png)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 31, 2020, 03:07:22 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
So they made baby yoda into a dog :heh
[close]
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 01, 2021, 02:45:34 AM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
So they made baby yoda into a dog :heh
[close]

https://youtu.be/Y7EB4ZYWKYI
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on January 18, 2021, 04:52:27 AM
http://twitter.com/sequelmemes/status/1350479620307611651
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on February 11, 2021, 08:06:40 PM
I missed it, but they cancelled Gina Carano.

https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1359751520963747844 (https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1359751520963747844)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on February 11, 2021, 08:21:50 PM
I missed it, but they cancelled Gina Carano.

https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1359751520963747844 (https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1359751520963747844)

Let's see - she publicly professed herself as pro-Trump, anti-democracy, anti-vaccination, anti-mask, and stopped short of TERF territory but balked at using people's preferred pronouns. This is just… consequences.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: team filler on February 11, 2021, 10:43:51 PM
you can get away with damn near anything, but once you anger a certain group of whites  :shaking
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: BIONIC on February 12, 2021, 02:49:57 AM
She was getting away with saying bigoted vile stuff for months, but she says anti-Semitic crap and she’s gone the next day  :thinking

:kermit

:society
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on February 12, 2021, 03:17:31 AM
This is probably one reason you guys aren't allowed in the Taco Bell.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: team filler on February 12, 2021, 03:48:02 AM
I was allowed in and said no thanks  ::)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on February 12, 2021, 04:17:25 AM
It's a big hoopla over nothing. Since when do we look at actors as a moral compass. Let's face it, most of them aren't that bright and just repeat the cookie cutter opinion or take of one side or the other. Her take being herp derp this is just like the holocaust. Ken Levine is right firing her changes nothing.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on February 12, 2021, 07:05:05 AM
I missed it, but they cancelled Gina Carano.

https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1359751520963747844 (https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1359751520963747844)

Let's see - she publicly professed herself as pro-Trump, anti-democracy, anti-vaccination, anti-mask, and stopped short of TERF territory but balked at using people's preferred pronouns. This is just… consequences.
Nah, this is just usual collective back patting.
Why are Disney so angry about Holocaust comparisons, when they sucked China's dick while shooting Mulan where they had literal, ongoing, concentration camps trying to genocide an ethnic group?

Gina Carano is a cunt, so no love lost, but this is, as usual, pathetic people on the Internet pretending the evil is defeated, while giving more and more power to it.

Bad Tweets > Actual genocide, as long as you get cheap labour and get to act as the hero all the same.  :lol
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: BIONIC on February 12, 2021, 08:17:55 AM
To summarize:  :curious
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on February 12, 2021, 09:17:40 AM
I missed it, but they cancelled Gina Carano.

https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1359751520963747844 (https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1359751520963747844)

Let's see - she publicly professed herself as pro-Trump, anti-democracy, anti-vaccination, anti-mask, and stopped short of TERF territory but balked at using people's preferred pronouns. This is just… consequences.
Nah, this is just usual collective back patting.
Why are Disney so angry about Holocaust comparisons, when they sucked China's dick while shooting Mulan where they had literal, ongoing, concentration camps trying to genocide an ethnic group?

Gina Carano is a cunt, so no love lost, but this is, as usual, pathetic people on the Internet pretending the evil is defeated, while giving more and more power to it.

Bad Tweets > Actual genocide, as long as you get cheap labour and get to act as the hero all the same.  :lol

You can think hey fuck Disney and also hey fuck Gina good they fired her at the same time. Nothing is stopping you from doing that.
I am doing that, i don't give a shit about her, and just called her a cunt?

But i mean nerds have become the emblem of the idea of consumer as domesticated cattle.
I don't see a story like this as any kind of triumph, and there's people literally thanking disney on social media, to me it's absolutely a grotesque display.
And actions like this do nothing more than further create the illusion of these toy makers as benevolent forces, whether consciously or subconsciously.

Makes me want to eat the wrong side of a gun, for real.

Again, just in case it isn't clear, not because this moron was (understandably) fired, but because of the surrounding context.

Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Pissy F Benny on February 12, 2021, 09:37:25 AM
if you want a squeaky clean actor whos not gonna show you up with crazy facebook posts, why would you hie an mma fighter in the first place :snob
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on February 12, 2021, 09:51:05 AM
where she fucked up, was in not making the more apt comparison between cancel culture and McCarthyism.

Even so, I find it hard to believe in peoples genuine offence at a "you guys are being total nazis about this" comment, or to see that as an expression of antisemitism.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on February 12, 2021, 09:57:42 AM
If this situation makes you want to eat a gun, maybe you should :yeshrug
I know, but atm i have people that depend on me to survive.

I could let them go homeless though, could get a free Disney+ subscription out of it, with a pitiful enough Insta Story. :thinking
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Uncle on February 12, 2021, 10:57:46 AM
If this situation makes you want to eat a gun, maybe you should :yeshrug

unironically recommend that other bore members commit suicide  ???
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on February 12, 2021, 11:07:04 AM
Cancel culture be like https://youtu.be/DPgkygnV520
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Sideshow Raheem on February 12, 2021, 11:39:37 AM
I'm just wondering where the hell cancel culture was when the idiot Jenny McCarthy was claiming she cured her child with voodoo and then promoted anti-vaccination nonsense across multiple platforms and for goddamn years.

It's embarrassing we -- and by we I mean you -- care so deeply about what celebrities think and say. If we simply learned to dismiss them except as someone who's good at dunking a basketball or making funny faces, etc., we wouldn't ever have to harp on whether they should be canceled.

Meanwhile, Mandalorian could use more original ideas and characters instead of dredging up miscellanea from KOTOR, the cartoons, and the movies. It could actually have put Cara Dune (sp?) to good use. But she's a doofus in real life, so she should never act again.

EDIT: Mandalorian.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on February 12, 2021, 11:59:40 AM
If this situation makes you want to eat a gun, maybe you should :yeshrug

unironically recommend that other bore members commit suicide  ???


:yeshrug if someone is that riled up over Disney/Gina Carano, it's likely their lives are absolutely miserable anyway so :yeshrug
C'mon son, i told you twice it wasn't about Gina Carano, you're being dense on purpose?  ::)
I'm riled up by mega companies becoming more and more like government and religious institutions, all in one.  :fbm


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It's all good though, i didn't take offense, it's internet shittalk.
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Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 12, 2021, 12:11:47 PM
Truth, Disney would run America better than the government at this point.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: thetylerrob on February 12, 2021, 12:18:56 PM
That gun is looking tastier and tastier... :doge
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on February 12, 2021, 12:19:14 PM
Truth, Disney would run America better than the government at this point.
Which Phase is that?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: MMaRsu on February 12, 2021, 12:26:33 PM
The thing is, if you embarrass your employer in public, it makes 100% sense for them to fire you.

Regardless of what you did or said.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on February 12, 2021, 01:06:00 PM
I dunno, I mean half the movies in the top 20 IMDB list probably starred problematic people.
Just to name a few things with all these big films.

The Godfather - Marlon Brando was always a controversial character
The Godfather: Part II  - Robert Duvall is a hardcore Trumper
The Dark Knight - Michael Caine famously said "you can't vote for an actor just because he's black"
Schindler's List - Liam Neeson wanted to beat up some random black people in the streets at night
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King - Sean Bean was arrested for throwing a glass at his wife
Pulp Fiction - John Travolta never was the same after his son died and was a cray scientologist even before that
Fight Club - Brad Pitt had an agressive drinking problem so Angelina GTFO

Disney's big fluffy star Robert Downey Jr. was literally pulled out the dumpster by Mel Gibson, who was cancelled before cancel culture existed.

Gina Carano's TikTok is somewhere at the bottom of 'offenses' commited by actors under contract or once under contract at Disney.
So I'm not really sure what their goal is. I would focus on shielding their talent and prevent them to mingle openly in the public debate.
Hell, those sick fucks in Hollywood still cheer on Woody Allen and Roman Polanski whenever they get the chance.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: BIONIC on February 12, 2021, 01:17:27 PM
https://deadline.com/2021/02/gina-carano-mandalorian-ben-shapiro-hits-back-cancel-culture-1234692971/

Gina Carano Hits Back, Announces New Movie Project With Ben Shapiro’s Daily Wire: “They Can’t Cancel Us If We Don’t Let Them”

No one could have predicted this  :teehee
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 12, 2021, 03:21:01 PM
Say what you will about the turds at reeeeeeee but the edgelord presence here is getting kinda gross

"Oh sure she's borderline rewriting the holocaust and is basically a q anon supporter but the real crime here is a private enterprise deciding who can work for it in a way that seems woke"
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on February 12, 2021, 03:46:22 PM
Apparently calling her a cunt, a moron and outright saying she was rightfully fired for her shit, isn't enough to make my point clear. 
If it weren't Human Snorenado i'd be worried.

Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 12, 2021, 06:06:15 PM
I really only have one question for the starwars thread and that's why do you support fascism Rumata?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on February 12, 2021, 06:24:07 PM
Disney: "This lady has said bad things about the covid"  :hmph
Meanwhile they pushed reopening their parks during the height of the pandemic.

Guess who went straight to streaming and didn't have to fire any of his actors for awful behaviour?
That's right, Zack Snyder

They taped 2 seasons of a TV show with this lady and now they pretend they didn't know she was messed up?  ::)
The company named after and founded by a fascist, anti-semitic, anti-labor union conservative that sold out his own staff to McCarthy fires an actor for saying bad things about the holocaust.
If Disney was serious about this stuff they would've changed their name ages ago but they haven't because they're a bunch of hypocrites. Always have been, always will be.

Disney's show lost a popular character and the actor went further down the rabbit hole. I don't think there are any winners here. 
I dunno, ban her from TikTok and send her to the company shrink. Cancelling seems like the easy way out for the mouse for casting an anti-semite in their popular TV show which is still streaming by the way. Because it is not ok to employ her but is ok to make money from her performance  :yeshrug
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on February 12, 2021, 06:45:17 PM
I really only have one question for the starwars thread and that's why do you support fascism Rumata?
https://youtu.be/Y_FOS1GvZOY
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 12, 2021, 06:58:42 PM
Just so we are clear in the starwars thread, you the grumpy fascist cat to my farting sleep dog. 
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on February 12, 2021, 07:23:19 PM
Sorry, wrong video.
Here's the right one:
https://youtu.be/xRA7-jA5GJk
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 12, 2021, 07:44:20 PM
Sorry, just so we are clear in the starwars thread, you the fascist JarJar Binks to my farting oppressed alien beast of burden. 
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on February 12, 2021, 09:56:22 PM
https://www.vox.com/culture/2021/2/12/22280565/gina-carano-fired-star-wars-mandalorian-social-media-conservative

Reasonably insightful.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on February 12, 2021, 10:05:26 PM
Sorry, just so we are clear in the starwars thread, you the fascist JarJar Binks to my farting oppressed alien beast of burden.
Only Siths deal in Both Sides.  :hmph

https://www.vox.com/culture/2021/2/12/22280565/gina-carano-fired-star-wars-mandalorian-social-media-conservative

Reasonably insightful.
quote for the new page.  :-*
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: MMaRsu on February 13, 2021, 07:31:11 AM
I dunno, I mean half the movies in the top 20 IMDB list probably starred problematic people.
Just to name a few things with all these big films.

The Godfather - Marlon Brando was always a controversial character
The Godfather: Part II  - Robert Duvall is a hardcore Trumper
The Dark Knight - Michael Caine famously said "you can't vote for an actor just because he's black"
Schindler's List - Liam Neeson wanted to beat up some random black people in the streets at night
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King - Sean Bean was arrested for throwing a glass at his wife
Pulp Fiction - John Travolta never was the same after his son died and was a cray scientologist even before that
Fight Club - Brad Pitt had an agressive drinking problem so Angelina GTFO

Disney's big fluffy star Robert Downey Jr. was literally pulled out the dumpster by Mel Gibson, who was cancelled before cancel culture existed.

Gina Carano's TikTok is somewhere at the bottom of 'offenses' commited by actors under contract or once under contract at Disney.
So I'm not really sure what their goal is. I would focus on shielding their talent and prevent them to mingle openly in the public debate.
Hell, those sick fucks in Hollywood still cheer on Woody Allen and Roman Polanski whenever they get the chance.

You are comparing superstars to a virtual nobody though. Nobody gives a shit about Gina Carano.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: BIONIC on February 13, 2021, 08:19:00 AM
Once you’re a superstar they let you get away with it  :trumps
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on February 13, 2021, 04:41:19 PM
I dunno, I mean half the movies in the top 20 IMDB list probably starred problematic people.
Just to name a few things with all these big films.

The Godfather - Marlon Brando was always a controversial character
The Godfather: Part II  - Robert Duvall is a hardcore Trumper
The Dark Knight - Michael Caine famously said "you can't vote for an actor just because he's black"
Schindler's List - Liam Neeson wanted to beat up some random black people in the streets at night
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King - Sean Bean was arrested for throwing a glass at his wife
Pulp Fiction - John Travolta never was the same after his son died and was a cray scientologist even before that
Fight Club - Brad Pitt had an agressive drinking problem so Angelina GTFO

Disney's big fluffy star Robert Downey Jr. was literally pulled out the dumpster by Mel Gibson, who was cancelled before cancel culture existed.

Gina Carano's TikTok is somewhere at the bottom of 'offenses' commited by actors under contract or once under contract at Disney.
So I'm not really sure what their goal is. I would focus on shielding their talent and prevent them to mingle openly in the public debate.
Hell, those sick fucks in Hollywood still cheer on Woody Allen and Roman Polanski whenever they get the chance.

You are comparing superstars to a virtual nobody though. Nobody gives a shit about Gina Carano.
Yeah, I honestly thought she didn't have a career after like the 2010s. Was surprised to hear she was in the show.

The reality is she said really shit stuff while being employed by a company that cares about their image a lot.

But it was probably easier to fire her because yeah she's a woman, she's not that big of a star, and yeah it probably is more acceptable to fire these MAGA people. But the truth is she said some shit things that no company would want to be associated with. These people cry about freedom of speech, but that's not a catch-all defense. It doesn't stop people from responding in kind.  Maybe reflect on what you said and why people think it's shitty. I'm tired of this complaint about "cancel culture" as if it's something new. Decades ago you had to be careful about what you said about God or sex. Things change, but the idea that you can be lambasted for saying bigoted or offensive things hasn't.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Uncle on February 13, 2021, 07:24:16 PM
I'm tired of this complaint about "cancel culture" as if it's something new.

I think there is a basis for saying the mechanisms surrounding cancel culture are new and possibly worse than before

this doesn't necessarily apply to gina and what it took to get her fired, but in general, the concept of reporting on people to their bosses in an attempt to destroy their livelihood -- in the 1970s people couldn't easily search up everything a person has said on a public platform they carry with them every day for the express purpose of saying a lot of random things

now if you say bad things on there, certainly you're a moron doing it to yourself, but we also have people willing to hunt through a decade of things you've said to find one bad thing and signal boost it DIRECTLY to your employers...along with a neet culture that now has enough free time on its hands to be able to do these hunts all day long

I think there was a point in time when the average nobody living 500 miles away didn't go directly to your boss and tell him to fire you, and equivalent to that, a point in time when your boss would've just laughed and told him to fuck off

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Decades ago you had to be careful about what you said about God or sex.

that's the best/worst part about this, the lack of awareness at how promoting certain types of behaviors could possibly turn around and bite you in the ass someday, when the christians did it, and now when ultra-progressives do it

I do think in the past it happened less often because there was more of a togetherness/unitedness, we were all in this together, and you might hate someone but you didn't necessarily want to see them homeless, so you'd bite your tongue and let living well be the best revenge

we're beyond that now and it's really fun to make people lose their jobs it's like so fucking awesome you guys
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on February 13, 2021, 08:08:23 PM
I dunno, I mean half the movies in the top 20 IMDB list probably starred problematic people.
Just to name a few things with all these big films.

The Godfather - Marlon Brando was always a controversial character
The Godfather: Part II  - Robert Duvall is a hardcore Trumper
The Dark Knight - Michael Caine famously said "you can't vote for an actor just because he's black"
Schindler's List - Liam Neeson wanted to beat up some random black people in the streets at night
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King - Sean Bean was arrested for throwing a glass at his wife
Pulp Fiction - John Travolta never was the same after his son died and was a cray scientologist even before that
Fight Club - Brad Pitt had an agressive drinking problem so Angelina GTFO

Disney's big fluffy star Robert Downey Jr. was literally pulled out the dumpster by Mel Gibson, who was cancelled before cancel culture existed.

Gina Carano's TikTok is somewhere at the bottom of 'offenses' commited by actors under contract or once under contract at Disney.
So I'm not really sure what their goal is. I would focus on shielding their talent and prevent them to mingle openly in the public debate.
Hell, those sick fucks in Hollywood still cheer on Woody Allen and Roman Polanski whenever they get the chance.

You are comparing superstars to a virtual nobody though. Nobody gives a shit about Gina Carano.
Yeah, I honestly thought she didn't have a career after like the 2010s. Was surprised to hear she was in the show.

The reality is she said really shit stuff while being employed by a company that cares about their image a lot.

But it was probably easier to fire her because yeah she's a woman, she's not that big of a star, and yeah it probably is more acceptable to fire these MAGA people. But the truth is she said some shit things that no company would want to be associated with. These people cry about freedom of speech, but that's not a catch-all defense. It doesn't stop people from responding in kind.  Maybe reflect on what you said and why people think it's shitty. I'm tired of this complaint about "cancel culture" as if it's something new. Decades ago you had to be careful about what you said about God or sex. Things change, but the idea that you can be lambasted for saying bigoted or offensive things hasn't.
Are you pretending the last 10 or so years of social media evolution and integration in people's lives (and culture in general) didn't significantly change how the public interact with one another as well as these companies?
Obviously if you live in a society (ah!) you can't do and say whatever, but there's plenty of nuance in how that is handled and develops, beyond that very broad statement of fact.
I mean i know someone who got passed over on a job interview mainly because they didn't have a social media account, and that was seen as "suspect", so these platforms are becoming more than just "some private service you do to socialize", they are closer to direct extensions of democracy.

Whether that's good or bad, it's another matter, but i think it's a very complex problem, that shouldn't be shrugged off so easily.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on February 13, 2021, 08:48:07 PM
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I mean i know someone who got passed over on a job interview mainly because they didn't have a social media account

Should be illegal and I wish you were in a position that naming and shaming these people would do something.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Boredfrom on February 14, 2021, 12:47:51 AM
The former president just got acquitted based on his team complaining about cancel culture so I can't imagine that is going anywhere for a while.

Don’t confuse your politicians being shit scared power hungry worms acquitting Trump with that being a issue of Free Speech vs Cancel Culture.

You are playing in their hands if you fail to recognize the political theater as anything but that.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on February 14, 2021, 07:10:57 AM
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I mean i know someone who got passed over on a job interview mainly because they didn't have a social media account

Should be illegal and I wish you were in a position that naming and shaming these people would do something.
I should clarify, this wasn't an official reasoning given, and they probably gave a biased account (it's not like i was there).

But anyway if this is the direction we're moving in, if in the future our digital presence is something that's gonna be a given, if not an obligation, that to me is too much power given to private companies.  :yuck

Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 14, 2021, 04:26:45 PM
If we ever get from witch hunts to conservative hunts, I know I have died and gone to heaven. 
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: team filler on February 14, 2021, 04:29:38 PM
If we ever get from witch hunts to conservative hunts, I know I have died and gone to heaven.
:thinking  cunts   :thinking let's go cunting

Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on February 14, 2021, 09:59:18 PM
https://www.facebook.com/31500642/videos/10102706411696376/
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on February 14, 2021, 10:05:46 PM
I dunno, I mean half the movies in the top 20 IMDB list probably starred problematic people.
Just to name a few things with all these big films.

The Godfather - Marlon Brando was always a controversial character
The Godfather: Part II  - Robert Duvall is a hardcore Trumper
The Dark Knight - Michael Caine famously said "you can't vote for an actor just because he's black"
Schindler's List - Liam Neeson wanted to beat up some random black people in the streets at night
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King - Sean Bean was arrested for throwing a glass at his wife
Pulp Fiction - John Travolta never was the same after his son died and was a cray scientologist even before that
Fight Club - Brad Pitt had an agressive drinking problem so Angelina GTFO

Disney's big fluffy star Robert Downey Jr. was literally pulled out the dumpster by Mel Gibson, who was cancelled before cancel culture existed.

Gina Carano's TikTok is somewhere at the bottom of 'offenses' commited by actors under contract or once under contract at Disney.
So I'm not really sure what their goal is. I would focus on shielding their talent and prevent them to mingle openly in the public debate.
Hell, those sick fucks in Hollywood still cheer on Woody Allen and Roman Polanski whenever they get the chance.

You are comparing superstars to a virtual nobody though. Nobody gives a shit about Gina Carano.
Yeah, I honestly thought she didn't have a career after like the 2010s. Was surprised to hear she was in the show.

The reality is she said really shit stuff while being employed by a company that cares about their image a lot.

But it was probably easier to fire her because yeah she's a woman, she's not that big of a star, and yeah it probably is more acceptable to fire these MAGA people. But the truth is she said some shit things that no company would want to be associated with. These people cry about freedom of speech, but that's not a catch-all defense. It doesn't stop people from responding in kind.  Maybe reflect on what you said and why people think it's shitty. I'm tired of this complaint about "cancel culture" as if it's something new. Decades ago you had to be careful about what you said about God or sex. Things change, but the idea that you can be lambasted for saying bigoted or offensive things hasn't.
Are you pretending the last 10 or so years of social media evolution and integration in people's lives (and culture in general) didn't significantly change how the public interact with one another as well as these companies?
Obviously if you live in a society (ah!) you can't do and say whatever, but there's plenty of nuance in how that is handled and develops, beyond that very broad statement of fact.
I mean i know someone who got passed over on a job interview mainly because they didn't have a social media account, and that was seen as "suspect", so these platforms are becoming more than just "some private service you do to socialize", they are closer to direct extensions of democracy.

Whether that's good or bad, it's another matter, but i think it's a very complex problem, that shouldn't be shrugged off so easily.
No I agree that with the internet not only is it easier for what you say to be "archived", but now whats much easier for random strangers to comment on it as well.

I think my point is that being "canceled" has always existed. But now it has been like everything in the world expanded upon, by the digital age. You always had to be careful about what you said, especially if you were a noteworthy person. Now, you have to be careful even if you're just a regular dude who works at Target.

Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 15, 2021, 02:02:01 AM
You think Padme and Jar Jar ever banged?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on February 15, 2021, 05:07:05 AM
I dunno, I mean half the movies in the top 20 IMDB list probably starred problematic people.
Just to name a few things with all these big films.

The Godfather - Marlon Brando was always a controversial character
The Godfather: Part II  - Robert Duvall is a hardcore Trumper
The Dark Knight - Michael Caine famously said "you can't vote for an actor just because he's black"
Schindler's List - Liam Neeson wanted to beat up some random black people in the streets at night
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King - Sean Bean was arrested for throwing a glass at his wife
Pulp Fiction - John Travolta never was the same after his son died and was a cray scientologist even before that
Fight Club - Brad Pitt had an agressive drinking problem so Angelina GTFO

Disney's big fluffy star Robert Downey Jr. was literally pulled out the dumpster by Mel Gibson, who was cancelled before cancel culture existed.

Gina Carano's TikTok is somewhere at the bottom of 'offenses' commited by actors under contract or once under contract at Disney.
So I'm not really sure what their goal is. I would focus on shielding their talent and prevent them to mingle openly in the public debate.
Hell, those sick fucks in Hollywood still cheer on Woody Allen and Roman Polanski whenever they get the chance.

You are comparing superstars to a virtual nobody though. Nobody gives a shit about Gina Carano.
Yeah, I honestly thought she didn't have a career after like the 2010s. Was surprised to hear she was in the show.

The reality is she said really shit stuff while being employed by a company that cares about their image a lot.

But it was probably easier to fire her because yeah she's a woman, she's not that big of a star, and yeah it probably is more acceptable to fire these MAGA people. But the truth is she said some shit things that no company would want to be associated with. These people cry about freedom of speech, but that's not a catch-all defense. It doesn't stop people from responding in kind.  Maybe reflect on what you said and why people think it's shitty. I'm tired of this complaint about "cancel culture" as if it's something new. Decades ago you had to be careful about what you said about God or sex. Things change, but the idea that you can be lambasted for saying bigoted or offensive things hasn't.
Are you pretending the last 10 or so years of social media evolution and integration in people's lives (and culture in general) didn't significantly change how the public interact with one another as well as these companies?
Obviously if you live in a society (ah!) you can't do and say whatever, but there's plenty of nuance in how that is handled and develops, beyond that very broad statement of fact.
I mean i know someone who got passed over on a job interview mainly because they didn't have a social media account, and that was seen as "suspect", so these platforms are becoming more than just "some private service you do to socialize", they are closer to direct extensions of democracy.

Whether that's good or bad, it's another matter, but i think it's a very complex problem, that shouldn't be shrugged off so easily.
No I agree that with the internet not only is it easier for what you say to be "archived", but now whats much easier for random strangers to comment on it as well.

I think my point is that being "canceled" has always existed. But now it has been like everything in the world expanded upon, by the digital age. You always had to be careful about what you said, especially if you were a noteworthy person. Now, you have to be careful even if you're just a regular dude who works at Target.
For current 20 to 30+y olds, it's not a big deal, but i think for kids, growing up with the idea of every thought being stored and scrutinized forever, is going to fuck them up in some really new and uncharted ways.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on February 15, 2021, 05:10:35 AM
For current 20 to 30+y olds, it's not a big deal, but i think for kids, growing up with the idea of every thought being stored and scrutinized forever, is going to fuck them up in some really new and uncharted ways.

I can't even imagine what kind of sociopath politicians we're going to have in 20-30 years who've been trained since birth in opposition research and populist 2 sentence sound bites
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Uncle on February 15, 2021, 11:44:08 AM
You think Padme and Jar Jar ever banged?

god I hope so
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: HardcoreRetro on February 15, 2021, 12:23:04 PM
You guys need some positivity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJQhtbu584A
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on February 15, 2021, 01:46:09 PM
Jar Jar was totally her sex slave
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Pissy F Benny on February 15, 2021, 02:32:44 PM
#JusticeForJarJar :social
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Rufus on February 15, 2021, 05:49:32 PM
For current 20 to 30+y olds, it's not a big deal, but i think for kids, growing up with the idea of every thought being stored and scrutinized forever, is going to fuck them up in some really new and uncharted ways.
Who broadcasts their every thought even now? Why do you think future generations will?
There is a whole generation right now who grew up with the internet and learned to manage their online personas just fine (same as they've learned to manage their offline personas). And as they take over, they will be increasingly surrounded by people who have also grown up with the internet and share their values.

The kids are going to be OK.

I can't even imagine what kind of sociopath politicians we're going to have in 20-30 years who've been trained since birth in opposition research and populist 2 sentence sound bites
You're English, you don't need to imagine.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on February 15, 2021, 06:36:39 PM
:confused

have you ever seen PM Question Time?
There's a lot of comparisons I could make about UK politicians, but slick, well groomed and media savvy instagram style 'influencers' definitely isn't near the forefront
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Rufus on February 15, 2021, 06:39:03 PM
Sociopaths all the same.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on March 23, 2021, 11:21:37 AM
https://heavy.com/entertainment/star-wars/bespin-photo-rushed-deadlines-tros/

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Part of a quick montage at the end of #theriseofskywalker Fun building Bespin under pressure. Only had a day to work this out because it was late in the production and we were all under the gun. Note: scale of Star Destroyer is waaay off. Mainly because the team was looking for a dramatic composition.

One day for start-to-finish on a piece of "final" concept art seems... pretty rushed.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on May 20, 2021, 08:02:12 PM
https://www.lucasfilm.com/leadership/dave-filoni/

:hyper
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on May 20, 2021, 08:44:37 PM
Does that mean he's running the franchise now?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on May 20, 2021, 10:02:06 PM
It's just an Executive CD position, so I don't think so. I expect there are several VPs who still hold dark, Sith-like powers over him.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on May 20, 2021, 10:06:00 PM
Oh well...
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on May 20, 2021, 10:07:07 PM
https://youtu.be/SyDnZiESdM0
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 20, 2021, 11:44:13 PM
He's reporting to Kennedy, who is never going away, so if you're one of those people, just keep being mad I guess.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on May 21, 2021, 07:33:31 AM
Whoever "those people" are, I can assure you I'm not one of them. Star Wars was a huge part of my childhood and i'd like it to return to some sort of quality. Filoni seems like he is on the right track and I think it would be a good decision to give him creative control. If they didn't, then so be it, I'm not about to go shoot up a theatre about it. I will, however, reserve the right to complain about it on theboredotcom with all the other nerds.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 21, 2021, 04:48:20 PM
but it was the (shitty) films that almost tanked the biggest (probably) media franchise of all time :trumps
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on May 21, 2021, 05:28:26 PM
My Star Wars fandom has completely deflated after the Last Jedi and TROS. Almost the same effect the final season of GoT had.

Even though the Mandalorian was pretty good everything else Star Wars is just good old 'meh'.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Uncle on May 21, 2021, 07:03:48 PM
remember when life was so simple and the prequels were the worst thing ever created

https://youtu.be/wzDIClx-_pY?t=52
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on May 21, 2021, 07:25:22 PM
I think the difference is that the prequels outside of a few stellar performances, designs and cool scenes at least got you excited for 'what could've been'.
After The Last Jedi my expectations for TROS were 0 and then it managed to somehow go below that.

I genuinely think it is one of the worst blockbuster films ever released by Disney.
With the Last Jedi you could at least see what the director was going for even if he failed to deliver because he was seemingly overwhelmed by the whole thing.

TROS is just a complete rushed mess from start to finish and you can tell none of the actors cared.
After Benicio del Toro I didn't think another actor could phone in a part in Star Wars that badly but Keri Russell somehow did.
And perhaps literally because you can't even tell if she's even in the movie or just send over some voice clips.
Even the actors hate this turd.  :doge
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on May 21, 2021, 07:37:14 PM
Regardless of quality, they're running this into the ground in my opinion.
What i saw from the 3d clone wars tv show wasn't really that good, but it's a children's cartoon, so whatever, the problem is now the release of Sta Wars doesn't really feel like an event, because there's just so much of it, constantly.
A thousand films, tv-shows, cartoons...

There were cartoons before, but it was stuff only absolute nerds cared about, now you have those, plus a thousand other shows on top of it.
And the worst of it is, it's generally very creatively stunted, with constant need for reference material and call backs to a well that's been dry for a minute now.

Maybe instead of doing a separate series for every irrelevant character in the galaxy, they should've had, like, 2 very high budget shows, with one being set far away from the movie canon (the KOTOR era or whatever).
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on May 21, 2021, 09:51:51 PM
I'm talking about their current plans, not what they did with Clone Wars in the Lucas/Prequel era.
The over saturation started with Disney.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 22, 2021, 12:22:50 AM
STAR WAR is never going to be whatever you thought it was when you were a kid.

Once you accept that, you can enjoy it more.

Also real talk: the sequel trilogy (despite being a mess) is better than the prequels.

Also also: different people want different things out of STAR WAR. If all the shows they're about to shit out are on par with Mandalorian, I dgaf how oversaturated it becomes. I'll take more. Gimme shows and movies set in the Old Republic and High Republic, too.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on May 22, 2021, 03:41:13 AM
When i was a kid i was just happy to see a lightsaber.

I am honestly not that invested in the franchise, haven't been in more than a decade, but i'd be happy with a simple plot and some cool planets.

Mandalorian was very mediocre (sub mediocre, when it comes to writing) but at least it didn't try to reinvent the wheel with some bullshit.

If they can manage to do a Mandalorian, but actually have a main character that isn't a cardboard charisma void, that'd be good enough.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on May 22, 2021, 09:29:22 AM
I'm good with most of it. Attack of the Clones, Revenge of the Sith and Rise of Skywalker can all fuck off though. Shit movies, even without the Star Wars name attached.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 22, 2021, 01:54:01 PM
I'm good with most of it. Attack of the Clones, Revenge of the Sith and Rise of Skywalker can all fuck off though. Shit movies, even without the Star Wars name attached.

...I think those are my 3 least favorite movies too, honestly. Some days I flip a coin between Phantom Menace and Rise of Skywalker being worse. (I'm actually a secret Phantom Menace fanthing, if it didn't have Jar-Jar or Gungans in general it would be mostly fine, the prequels biggest problem is the turribleness of the Anakin-Padme relationship)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Uncle on May 22, 2021, 06:58:48 PM
was just thinking about how the sequel trilogy has no mindshare at all among the average person or fan, no kids playing with toys, no excited speculation about various details, no one making hilarious videos using footage from them (except as insults), no one making memes from them like you see from the originals and prequels

but then I stumbled across r/sequelmemes which seems to be feebly cranking out milquetoast goofs

they are all terrible but this one got me

(https://i.imgur.com/nRlOtUF.png)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on May 22, 2021, 07:20:00 PM
There's just so much stuff out there now that there won't be a '1 big thing' like Star Wars or Lord of the Rings or something ever again I think.
'Avengers' came close but even that had to share space with D.C. and other Super Hero things but still Avengers took over that toy/merchandise spot that Star Wars used to occupy.
Each streaming service has their own 'must see' shows also.

So even though there will still be good shit and plenty of memes and mindshare I doubt we'll have something that everyone is talking about.
Because even if Avengers was big there was still a sizeable group of people not watching super hero films.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Uncle on May 22, 2021, 07:33:15 PM
yet baby yoder took over the internet for at least an entire year

hell chernobyl random tv series was in 2019 and I saw a shitload of "not great, not terrible" references ever since
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on May 22, 2021, 07:43:46 PM
yet baby yoder took over the internet for at least an entire year

hell chernobyl random tv series was in 2019 and I saw a shitload of "not great, not terrible" references ever since
Yes in our bubble, but there are plenty of bubles that have seen both.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: naff on May 24, 2021, 10:55:52 PM
You think Padme and Jar Jar ever banged?

god I hope so

i believe this was added in the dvd extras for The Phantom Edit
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: naff on May 24, 2021, 11:11:16 PM
https://twitter.com/AlpacaQueers/status/1320141200796618752
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on May 25, 2021, 12:35:19 AM
Don is gonna be real happy to know the Rangers of the New Republic show has been aborted
Gina Carano can do good!
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Raist on May 26, 2021, 11:17:30 AM
https://collider.com/jj-abrams-star-wars-sequel-trilogy-plan-comments/

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"I do think that there’s nothing more important than knowing where you’re going.”

:pika

You'd think he would have learned after Lost :lol
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 26, 2021, 02:31:30 PM
I wouldn't put all the blame on JJ, though he certainly does have to take some. I'd put most of it on Lucasfilm, who brought in 3 different directors/writers [but later ditched one to bring JJ back] and let them just do whatever they wanted with seemingly no clue how the three movies would end up fitting together.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: MMaRsu on May 26, 2021, 03:10:56 PM
Yeah but what about Lost tho  ???
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on May 26, 2021, 03:50:43 PM
I refuse to believe dozens people spent hundreds of millions on this without an ironclad plan for the whole trilogy.
Even though the proof is in front of us, of course.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on May 26, 2021, 04:10:21 PM
It's amazing, isn't it?

Especially since they had a very clear blueprint to work from with the success of the MCU.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: bork on May 26, 2021, 09:34:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVhYj1k2BmM
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Ghoul on May 27, 2021, 04:25:41 AM
This latest article "We should have planned out star wars" NO FUCKING SHIT DUMMIES.

https://collider.com/jj-abrams-star-wars-sequel-trilogy-plan-comments/ (https://collider.com/jj-abrams-star-wars-sequel-trilogy-plan-comments/)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Ghoul on May 28, 2021, 08:51:19 AM
gonna have a bit of a special fellow about star wars, no I will not be getting banned because I'm calling out others families. My issue with the latest bunch of films was just the timing of them, they went for the whole everyone is included now YAY! You can be of any race and religion and still be a good or bad guy, now that isn't exactly what I take issue with, but basically they went for the stan culture of online culture to basically use as a integral part of the new fan base so they could get away with doing a shitty job, because then no matter how fucked the films are you will have this new wave marvel group onboard to just lap up the shit and buy the toys and die on the hill of these absolutely shit movies.  Also at a time when EVERYTHING is super political and you're either a soyboy or nazi and that translates a lot to this die on a hill, if you hate them then clearly you are some sort of racist....

I cannot believe some people are like wow these movies are the best of the bunch, like shit the prequals sucked, but this sucked in a whole different way. Now you have people who are in charge of the whole multi billion dollar franchise like, "Oh shit should have really planned this out" NO WAY, SHOCKING, I do not and cannot understand how the same company that has made what a 20+ movie timeline drop the ball so hard on what could have been also a 20+ film franchise, star wars is fucking basic as hell, like it's very broke when it comes to ideas, they just use nostalgia to just push the new stuff forward, whilst at the same time forgetting what the hell made that stuff so important in the first place. I'm off to heal myself with some force powers now.

The only highlight for me was Kylo dying the way he did and pissing off the weird as fuck reylo shipping fans,

:rage

Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on May 28, 2021, 01:50:12 PM
The fans
:ohhh "Maybe Obi Wan Kenobi is connected to Rey somehow, perhaps the dream sequence was actually a flashback into the past or Snoke using mind control powers. Who is Snoke anyway?"

 :bobby "If you count the markings on his lightsaber you can clearly see he is a descendant of Darth Maul. Disney leaves nothing to chance. Kathleen Kennedy is micro managing this to minute detail to make sure the story is preserved the way Lucas envisioned and they don't make the same mistake he did with the prequels. Boy I can't wait to see how they tie this all together with the love and care of the Disney film making crew."


Meanwhile at the corporation
:success  "Those are some nice effects JJ, I love the lasers more than Trevorrow's, can you release it by Christmas if we do 80 hour shifts at the CG farm and put everyone in front of the green screen today to shoot the 5 different endings?"

:heyman "By the way Lucy from administration has a nice rack she can play the bounty hunter in the reshoots. Just keep the helmet on and they won't even know it isn't Keri"

:success "Great idea Mike, give her $100 and make sure she signs an NDA. God I love making movies"
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on May 28, 2021, 03:41:57 PM
The fans
:ohhh "Maybe Obi Wan Kenobi is connected to Rey somehow, perhaps the dream sequence was actually a flashback into the past or Snoke using mind control powers. Who is Snoke anyway?"

 :bobby "If you count the markings on his lightsaber you can clearly see he is a descendant of Darth Maul. Disney leaves nothing to chance. Kathleen Kennedy is micro managing this to minute detail to make sure the story is preserved the way Lucas envisioned and they don't make the same mistake he did with the prequels. Boy I can't wait to see how they tie this all together with the love and care of the Disney film making crew."


Meanwhile at the corporation
:success  "Those are some nice effects JJ, I love the lasers more than Trevorrow's, can you release it by Christmas if we do 80 hour shifts at the CG farm and put everyone in front of the green screen today to shoot the 5 different endings?"

:heyman "By the way Lucy from administration has a nice rack she can play the bounty hunter in the reshoots. Just keep the helmet on and they won't even know it isn't Keri"

:success "Great idea Mike, give her $100 and make sure she signs an NDA. God I love making movies"
This hurts because it's true.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Uncle on May 28, 2021, 03:52:14 PM
it doesn't hurt because nothing in any way related to star wars should ever hurt
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 28, 2021, 03:59:34 PM
I mean it hurts in the way all Nintex posts do

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/XaMAT5zP0LsW6Xgz3n/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47tlwvjzqxz4cn6qwgsyvz3599z7ckpzzuuk5msjjv&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on June 21, 2021, 02:48:49 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/o49cc8/based_on_an_old_post_from_rmovies_and_a_comment/

:lol
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on June 22, 2021, 03:08:02 AM
Follow-up:
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/o4vdj8/now_this_is_pod_racing/
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on June 22, 2021, 03:24:14 AM
There's another TV show idea for Disney!
A show all focused on Pod racing and Sebulba's origin story.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 22, 2021, 12:21:45 PM
How about a depressing drama about Watto and the human trafficking trade on Tatooine?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on June 22, 2021, 12:23:26 PM
Senate of Cards  8)
Political drama about the events that lead to the trade dispute with Naboo.


The Freighter
Sitcom about a rebel alliance freighter crew up to no good in the galaxy far away


The Hutts
Soprnanos-like crime drama about the exploits of the Hutt family.


Jedi Babies
Cartoon about the Jedi younglings that Anakin later kills
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: team filler on June 26, 2021, 02:59:32 AM
star war always head the dumbest ideas, they were just executed better and had yet to become pop culture.


leia is lewks sister. vader is his father. chewbacca  :lol
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: team filler on June 26, 2021, 03:00:39 AM
I've stroked my fat hog to better scenarios than this chit
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Mostima on June 26, 2021, 03:20:48 AM
I am thankful that the sequel trilogy was shitty enough that no kid watching them today will grow up to be a Star Wars man-child.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: team filler on June 26, 2021, 10:17:59 PM
chewbacca is one of the most ridiculous characters of all time. think space ball covered this well enough
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Raist on October 26, 2021, 03:17:35 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/4lVQwdy.gif)

(https://i.imgur.com/azmpF0u.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/oeM9FKK.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/k8bM5Is.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/20P4n3r.png)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on October 26, 2021, 03:24:03 PM
It's one of the most garbage plots of all time. :lucas
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 26, 2021, 04:06:28 PM
Is this from the Fortnite strategy guide?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on October 26, 2021, 04:12:47 PM
The font looks like something you'd find bundled with a cereal box toy.
The plot is worse than that tho.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tuckers Law on October 26, 2021, 05:19:05 PM
You know, sometimes I get a little down when thinking about the direction Star Trek has been taken into, and all of the missed opportunity with that much production money and effort in the mix.

Then I get reminded of where Star Wars is at, and it really brightens my mood.  I don’t know that someone could fuck things up worse if they were actively trying to make it bad.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on October 26, 2021, 05:28:37 PM
J.J. and the cast phoned it in and then Disney panicked and butchered it in editing so they could squeeze out as many screenings as possible because they had toys to sell.

Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on October 26, 2021, 09:36:09 PM
It's one of the most garbage plots of all time. :lucas
There's shitty fan fiction from 14-year-olds that I've never read which I'm sure is better than what these idiots came up with.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on October 26, 2021, 09:38:28 PM
That kid’s book retcon exposes just how garbage the whole thing is.

I saw the first film in theaters when I was nine years old, in 1977. It was nearly a religious experience for me. I began collecting the TOPP’S trading cards for it, and on the back of Darth Vader‘s TIE fighter card, it made an oblique reference to “next year‘s model.“ This was enough for me to get excited about the possibility of a sequel.

When episode V ESB launched three years later, 12 year old me was ecstatic. I was so happy about that movie. I heard that there were plans to make *nine* movies in total, and I was so  enthused, I was essentially a fanatic.

If you had told that young child that they would eventually make all nine movies, and that the ninth one would almost ruin my love of the material, I would’ve called you a liar. But that’s what’s happened.

That last movie just about killed it for me.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on October 26, 2021, 10:43:27 PM
Is this from the Fortnite strategy guide?
It says Strand-Casting right there, Joe, this is clearly a Hideo Kojima joint.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on October 27, 2021, 05:39:04 AM
If you had told that young child that they would eventually make all nine movies, and that the ninth one would almost ruin my love of the material, I would’ve called you a liar. But that’s what’s happened.

Even just 6 years ago if you'd have said the new trilogy would make Eps 1 through 3 look like the fucking Godfather Trilogy by comparison I'd have found that hard to believe, yet here we are.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Ghoul on October 27, 2021, 05:58:35 AM
I would have loved to have seen all of the other edits of the film, you know, where none of the last film happened.

I spent an evening watching all of the Red Letter Media Half in the bags recently, watching them back to back is so facinating.

They go from being really excited to almost utter despair by the last one.

I do wonder if they'll ever make a Plinket review on Rise Of Skywalker, but I think they'll just leave it to rot to be honest.

It's honestly so baffling what they did with star wars, especially with how well the marvel crowd seem to love those movies. They're just like "Fuck it, do whatever"

The fact that no-one was fired for this trilogy is just insane. I also see Mando going to shit next season because they're ultra focused on it now.

it'll just get fucked up in fan service. Could already see that happening with the Season finale of S2
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on October 27, 2021, 06:39:24 AM
It really was TLJ that fucked the entire thing.
TFA was maybe playing it overly safe and cashing in on nostalgia / retreading 'greatest hits', but it was a solid foundation to build... well, fucking something from, and as much as I hate JJ Abrams mystery boxes style, there was enough stuff thrown out that any of those threads could have been picked up and expanded on, or ignored as red herrings by anyone who wasn't actively trying to be an asshole in part 2 of a trilogy and paint the whole thing into a corner, which it honestly seems like what Rian Johnson deliberately did.

ROS is a fucking mess, but was always going to be a mess as it had to be a trilogy in one fucking film, as Part 2 shut down Part 1 of the trilogy, and left very little narrative space left to go, so you had to recover from all of that.

Absolutely fucking crazy tbh.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 27, 2021, 07:41:19 AM
i liked how they turned luke skywalker into a miserable, reclusive, attempted child murderer who goes out like a bitch tbh :rash
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Kurt Russell on October 27, 2021, 07:46:33 AM
Imagine getting this worked up over a Disney Movie
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: headwalk on October 27, 2021, 09:16:45 AM
disney haven't made a single interesting flick since it abandoned its "lets scare the shit out of kids with handpainted works of art" ethos in the late 90s. they used to make films ostensibly for kids which taught genuine lessons about the complexities of humanity and had all kinds of mature themes and genuine conflict, now they make films for adults who want to autofuck themselves back into their own childhood with themes such as "which roided tart can punch the galactic badman the hardest".

those who disagree suck mouse cock by choice.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: who is ted danson? on January 04, 2022, 12:48:40 PM
I subbed up to disney plus.
I watched episode 8 for the first time against my better judgement
Absolute liquid shit lmfao. Somehow its even worse than the internet says.

Luckily I decided to watch the mandalorian too, which is pretty ace.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on January 04, 2022, 03:59:47 PM
I subbed up to disney plus.
I watched episode 8 for the first time against my better judgement
Absolute liquid shit lmfao. Somehow its even worse than the internet says.

Luckily I decided to watch the mandalorian too, which is pretty ace.
Just wait until you see the steaming pile of incoherent shit that episode 9 is...
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on January 04, 2022, 07:59:14 PM
I tried to watch the new Bobby Fat show and turned it off after 5 minutes.

I can't believe after 2 (narcolepsy inducing) seasons of Mandalorian, they thought the best course of action was to go for ANOTHER fucking show about a Mandalorian on Tatooine, only this time older and fatter, so he needs to be sitting down 50% of the time.

I mean literally anything would've been better, even a show about Twi'lek hookers on Coruscant's lower levels, anything.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: BIONIC on January 04, 2022, 08:07:59 PM
I haven’t watched Boba Fatt yet, but the Mandlawhorian was a fun little show  :ufup

Best live action Star War thingy anyways (which admittedly isn’t a high bar…  :teehee)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tuckers Law on January 04, 2022, 08:43:47 PM
even a show about Twi'lek hookers on Coruscant's lower levels, anything.
I am 100% on board for the Taxicab Confessions of Star Wars, full of moments with dancers talking about how they got addicted to spice trying to cope with having to suck Hutt dick.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Uncle on January 04, 2022, 09:57:07 PM
I mean literally anything would've been better, even a show about Twi'lek hookers on Coruscant's lower levels, anything.

 :nope complex cgi nightmare mixed with practical set that costs millions for one episode

:ohyeah don't-even-need-a-permit-to-shoot-there $0 desert
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on January 04, 2022, 09:58:22 PM
I tried to watch the new Bobby Fat show and turned it off after 5 minutes.

I can't believe after 2 (narcolepsy inducing) seasons of Mandalorian, they thought the best course of action was to go for ANOTHER fucking show about a Mandalorian on Tatooine, only this time older and fatter, so he needs to be sitting down 50% of the time.

I mean literally anything would've been better, even a show about Twi'lek hookers on Coruscant's lower levels, anything.

Twi'lek hookers :nope

Twi'ink hookers :ohyeah
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on January 04, 2022, 10:00:02 PM
I haven’t watched Boba Fatt yet, but the Mandlawhorian was a fun little show  :ufup

Best live action Star War thingy anyways (which admittedly isn’t a high bar…  :teehee)
It had cool locations going for it, and as you mentioned, a very low bar to cross over.

It had near non-existent character development (this guy turns good in ep1 and stays the same for 2 seasons) and incredibly boring action, since his gimmick is he has super armor.
At least it had a couple of better episodes here and there, where other characters did some decent stunts, though.
But i mean with a license like SW, you could do pretty much anything.
I mean literally anything would've been better, even a show about Twi'lek hookers on Coruscant's lower levels, anything.

 :nope complex cgi nightmare mixed with practical set that costs millions for one episode

:ohyeah don't-even-need-a-permit-to-shoot-there $0 desert
Star Wars has already like 3 major desert planets that look suspiciously alike, i'm starting to get suspicious.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Uncle on January 04, 2022, 10:00:23 PM
:nope putting the emojis at the back of your text

:ohyeah putting them in the front so the people are properly gesturing at what you typed
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on January 04, 2022, 10:10:57 PM
I value my words more than memes (https://i.imgur.com/FuqnPhm.gif)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: who is ted danson? on January 05, 2022, 01:08:54 PM
I subbed up to disney plus.
I watched episode 8 for the first time against my better judgement
Absolute liquid shit lmfao. Somehow its even worse than the internet says.

Luckily I decided to watch the mandalorian too, which is pretty ace.
Just wait until you see the steaming pile of incoherent shit that episode 9 is...

i've actually watched the whole thing at this point, and S2 was a bit fan servicey but I still liked it on the whole
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on January 05, 2022, 01:20:08 PM
I tried to watch the new Bobby Fat show and turned it off after 5 minutes.

I can't believe after 2 (narcolepsy inducing) seasons of Mandalorian, they thought the best course of action was to go for ANOTHER fucking show about a Mandalorian on Tatooine, only this time older and fatter, so he needs to be sitting down 50% of the time.

I mean literally anything would've been better, even a show about Twi'lek hookers on Coruscant's lower levels, anything.

I'm pretty sure Boba Fett is the show Favreau originally wanted to make (and that the fans always wanted), even though technically its a spin-off from The Mandalorian, but you're right in that I dunno how much mileage they can get out of running both series concurrently. Mandalorian Season 2 was mostly stealth pilots for other SW TV shows as it was.

I dunno, I enjoyed Book of Boba Fett episode 1 anyway :idont
Boba Fett is The Man With No Name to The Mandalorians Outlaw Josey Wales

e:
GIVE US A ZUCKUSS CAMEO, YOU COWARDS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KUTgdCK2i8
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on January 05, 2022, 01:57:45 PM
Quote
Mandalorian Season 2 was mostly stealth pilots for other SW TV shows as it was.

This + the obsessive fanservice was pretty offputting tbh. S1 was fun because it got away from all that jank.

They even messed up Luke's face.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on January 05, 2022, 03:18:55 PM
I subbed up to disney plus.
I watched episode 8 for the first time against my better judgement
Absolute liquid shit lmfao. Somehow its even worse than the internet says.

Luckily I decided to watch the mandalorian too, which is pretty ace.
Just wait until you see the steaming pile of incoherent shit that episode 9 is...

i've actually watched the whole thing at this point, and S2 was a bit fan servicey but I still liked it on the whole
Wait, are you taking about The Mandalorian or the films? When I said episode 9, I meant The Rise of Skywalker. The Mandalorian is actually decent.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: who is ted danson? on January 05, 2022, 03:50:37 PM
I subbed up to disney plus.
I watched episode 8 for the first time against my better judgement
Absolute liquid shit lmfao. Somehow its even worse than the internet says.

Luckily I decided to watch the mandalorian too, which is pretty ace.
Just wait until you see the steaming pile of incoherent shit that episode 9 is...

i've actually watched the whole thing at this point, and S2 was a bit fan servicey but I still liked it on the whole
Wait, are you taking about The Mandalorian or the films? When I said episode 9, I meant The Rise of Skywalker. The Mandalorian is actually decent.
oh right yeah I haven't seen episode 9 yet. Thought you meant ep 9 of mandalorian. if I want more punishment though i guess i'll check out rise of skywalker   :lol :lol
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on January 05, 2022, 04:40:18 PM
I subbed up to disney plus.
I watched episode 8 for the first time against my better judgement
Absolute liquid shit lmfao. Somehow its even worse than the internet says.

Luckily I decided to watch the mandalorian too, which is pretty ace.
Just wait until you see the steaming pile of incoherent shit that episode 9 is...

i've actually watched the whole thing at this point, and S2 was a bit fan servicey but I still liked it on the whole
Wait, are you taking about The Mandalorian or the films? When I said episode 9, I meant The Rise of Skywalker. The Mandalorian is actually decent.
oh right yeah I haven't seen episode 9 yet. Thought you meant ep 9 of mandalorian. if I want more punishment though i guess i'll check out rise of skywalker   :lol :lol
Oh man, please please please report back once you watch it
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on January 06, 2022, 11:47:38 PM
Episode IX made me hate Star Wars for the first time since Episode I.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: who is ted danson? on January 07, 2022, 04:49:00 PM
I subbed up to disney plus.
I watched episode 8 for the first time against my better judgement
Absolute liquid shit lmfao. Somehow its even worse than the internet says.

Luckily I decided to watch the mandalorian too, which is pretty ace.
Just wait until you see the steaming pile of incoherent shit that episode 9 is...

i've actually watched the whole thing at this point, and S2 was a bit fan servicey but I still liked it on the whole
Wait, are you taking about The Mandalorian or the films? When I said episode 9, I meant The Rise of Skywalker. The Mandalorian is actually decent.
oh right yeah I haven't seen episode 9 yet. Thought you meant ep 9 of mandalorian. if I want more punishment though i guess i'll check out rise of skywalker   :lol :lol
Oh man, please please please report back once you watch it

I got 55 minutes in and had to stop.  Fuck all of this bullshit. The palpatine bullshit resurrection . The chewie transporter death but actually not bullshit. Rey suddenly having yoda level force powers. Deepfake carrie fisher (RIP).  Nobody acknowledging the last film existing. This film is so bad that it makes Episode 8, a puddle of liquid shit, look like The Godfather Part 2.

Edit: Just checked the plot synopsis and it somehow gets even worse   :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on January 07, 2022, 05:04:53 PM
It does get worse. I cannot believe someone at Disney read that script and said, "This is the way we close out the most highly anticipated movie trilogy of the new millennium."

I completely agree that it made the shitshow that was episode 8 look good. It also made very very average movies like Solo and Rogue One look good too.

Pretty sure no one has been fired over that shit either.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on January 07, 2022, 05:54:38 PM
This whole trilogy made the prequel trilogy look like George Lucas knew what he was doing.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on January 07, 2022, 06:59:26 PM
Imagine, in 2005, you said that within 10 years, Disney would buy Star Wars and make a trilogy of films so bad people would pine for the days of the prequels and George Lucas-directed CGI shitfests and Ant-Man would have a bigger profile than Luke Skywalker?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Uncle on January 07, 2022, 08:31:16 PM
This whole trilogy made the prequel trilogy look like George Lucas knew what he was doing.

I probably said this before in this long-ass thread but the prequels actually managed to expand the universe of star wars! naboo architecture and ship designs were interesting! the alien races were fun! they sold a shit ton of toys and video games because they made colorful weird creatures and vehicles that were fun to play with

if star wars was a tabletop RPG (and it has been, like three times), the prequel trilogy was a giant new sourcebook brimming with possibilities, look you can now play as a gungan, you can play as a sebulba, you can fly these stylish new ships and go to these new planets

sequel trilogy added nearly nothing, it's all member berries
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Sideshow Raheem on January 07, 2022, 09:05:46 PM
Boba Fett is two shows running two storylines and one of them is godawful. The second one isn't particularly brilliant, either.

Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Borealis on January 07, 2022, 11:23:05 PM
At least if the prequel trilogy of films sucked for you (and they kind of did for me), you had the EU to turn to with it's solid content. KOTOR era (and earlier settings) plus the Thrawn/New Republic/Legacy-era stuff was my absolute jam, featuring the kind of narratives I'd easily put above and on par with the OT honestly.

The EU had it's supreme ups and downs, but give me that over the current rabble the franchise is currently putting out.

Like, imagine having to write about and around the rehash/small-world syndrome bullshit they introduced in TLJ and TROS? Fuck that.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Don Rumata on January 08, 2022, 11:30:32 AM
This whole trilogy made the prequel trilogy look like George Lucas knew what he was doing.

I probably said this before in this long-ass thread but the prequels actually managed to expand the universe of star wars! naboo architecture and ship designs were interesting! the alien races were fun! they sold a shit ton of toys and video games because they made colorful weird creatures and vehicles that were fun to play with

if star wars was a tabletop RPG (and it has been, like three times), the prequel trilogy was a giant new sourcebook brimming with possibilities, look you can now play as a gungan, you can play as a sebulba, you can fly these stylish new ships and go to these new planets

sequel trilogy added nearly nothing, it's all member berries
This is the main issue.
The prequels are bad movies, bad scripts directed even worse, and many of the effects aged like shit, but they brought a lot of new stuff to the table (on top of trying to be innovative on a technical level), lore, visual ideas, choreography ideas...
This new trilogy was pathetic, trying to justify its complete lack of vision with nostalgia bait and preposterous meta deconstructions.
And then of course closing it all with pure lunacy, in terms of script.
To me that should've ruined the Star Wars franchise more than even Season 8 did with GoT, but it seems people still hold out hope.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Yes i basically repeated what you just said.  :doge
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Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on January 21, 2022, 12:17:39 AM
http://twitter.com/sw_holocron/status/1482041100621787140
Beautiful! The show itself also takes its main direction from the Ralph McQuarrie concept work of the original trilogy.

I'm caught up on Book of Boba Fett, and sad that Robert Rodriguez seems to be GREAT at making it look like a regular broadcast TV show and not the cinematic accomplishment that Mandalorian is.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on January 21, 2022, 11:24:18 AM
Star Wars probably has more better concept art than any audiovisual or textual media.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on January 23, 2022, 07:37:55 AM
Star Wars probably has more better concept art than any audiovisual or textual media.

This, as well as sort of expanding on what Uncle was saying above about SW world building and how they just throw stuff in that makes it seem like a populated and diverse universe.

Like, look at an image of something like Star Trek ship designs and compare it to Star Wars ship designs
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on January 23, 2022, 08:18:30 AM
Star Wars probably has more better concept art than any audiovisual or textual media.
Yep, especially the new trilogy. In the TFA art book there's a section about Vaders castle which sits on top of a vulcano on Mustafar(?) or something.
So many great locations you only see in passing, because the movies and even TV shows focus 50% of their running time on barren wastelands like Hoth and Tatooine or ship and room interiors.

In that sense, games have often done a better job at portraying the Star Wars universe.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on January 23, 2022, 02:58:31 PM
LEGO Star Wars is the optimal way to experience the franchise, something I'll always stand by. I do not have high hopes for the Skywalker Saga LEGO game that somehow has been delayed for like 3 years now.
Yeah, what the hell is up with that? It's a Lego Star Wars game, aren't they just basically reskins of the same game they've been making since 2005?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on January 23, 2022, 03:24:15 PM
LEGO Star Wars is the optimal way to experience the franchise, something I'll always stand by. I do not have high hopes for the Skywalker Saga LEGO game that somehow has been delayed for like 3 years now.
Yeah, what the hell is up with that? It's a Lego Star Wars game, aren't they just basically reskins of the same game they've been making since 2005?
They opted for a new in-house engine as opposed to using Unreal which is what most of the team wanted.
They didn't really staff up despite having to support many more platforms going into the next generation. The game is also much bigger in scope than the previous entries.

The studio is known for crunch, poor tools and mediocre pay so not exactly a popular place to work.
Considering Disney holds tight control over everything Star Wars it probably doesn't make it easier to make a game with 300 characters covering all Star Wars films either.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Uncle on January 25, 2022, 07:49:50 AM
In the TFA art book there's a section about Vaders castle which sits on top of a vulcano on Mustafar(?) or something.

https://youtu.be/Kc2kFk5M9x4?t=1471 (https://youtu.be/Kc2kFk5M9x4?t=1471)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Quaker on January 28, 2022, 09:23:09 AM
Umm, don't mean to hype it up too much but was the latest Boba Fett episode the best piece of Star War video content since the original trilogy? It's definitely fan service but it doesn't come across as corny or unearned (or cheap), like the rest of the Boba Fett show. It was like everything I'd want from the EU as far as lore and world building.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on January 29, 2022, 02:01:18 AM
WIZARD.


Fucking great. Bryce can do no wrong.

Rodriguez been making Star Wars look like a broadcast TV show, but Bryce made this look like a movie.

Music was spot on, too.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on January 30, 2022, 07:30:46 AM
Its only fair we get an ep of mando in another TV show, as he gave up his whole of season 2 to do stealth pilots for all the other tv shows they obviously want to make, but a bit odd to kill off Gus Fring offscreen - I assume Mando S3 will have a flashback ep covering that.

Nice to do a callback on those ships being really tight and speedy little fighter craft, and good callback scene running away from the space cops, but I can't help but feel if you're a bounty hunter that has any intention whatsoever of bringing targets in alive, you're better off with a generic SUV than a vintage Alfa Romeo Spider, so I dunno how long it'll stick around (or until Mando gives up the Bounty Hunter gig I guess)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on January 30, 2022, 03:03:35 PM
Wait, what? They killed off space Fring? Offscreen?

WTF is that bullshit?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on February 03, 2022, 09:54:53 AM
Ep 6 almost as good as ep 5.  Better, maybe, if you’re a Clone Wars fan. They got this guy working at ILM now:
https://youtu.be/wrHXA2cSpNU
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on February 04, 2022, 08:47:32 AM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
http://twitter.com/sequelmemes/status/1489593807108816903
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Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on February 04, 2022, 03:34:16 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKtJoqFXoAg6U77?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on February 04, 2022, 03:49:06 PM
:lol
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on February 07, 2022, 12:38:29 PM
Star Wars: Andor TV Show Already Seems to Be Getting a Season 2 (https://www.ign.com/articles/star-wars-andor-season-2)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on February 08, 2022, 06:33:52 AM
Rogue One was pretty miserable, so I'm pretty :idont on a spin off, but the name is amusing to me as something a really crappy 'insider' would leak - "STAR WARS AND / OR A TV SERIES MIGHT GET A SEQUEL!"
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on February 08, 2022, 07:09:43 AM
Are Rian Johnson’s Star Wars movies canceled?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on February 08, 2022, 07:31:39 AM
I think so, but I doubt he cares with the netflix payday he got for turning knives out into a trilogy
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on February 08, 2022, 12:35:57 PM
https://twitter.com/mjarbo/status/1490647122902798340
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on February 08, 2022, 12:48:00 PM
 :wut
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Uncle on February 08, 2022, 02:05:00 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Eubd4jR.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/q6vCApt.gif)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on February 10, 2022, 09:59:16 PM
https://www.avclub.com/the-book-of-boba-fett-finale-tv-review-1848507880

Pretty much this, exactly.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on February 10, 2022, 10:02:38 PM
The amount of "I see Boba on Rancor, I like episode" comments I've seen today is in the double digits, for the record.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on February 10, 2022, 10:11:58 PM
Yeah.

But that was unearned and mostly dumb. While he was on the Rancor, AND the Battle Droid’s shield were down, AND he’d already identified the eye as the droid’s weak spot, he was just sitting there with a gun in his hand. Doing nothing. Famous bounty Hunter. Doing nothing.

Ugh.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on February 10, 2022, 10:14:36 PM
People seem to finally be waking up to the fact Robert Rodriguez, despite his pedigree, absolutely sucks at action. I woke up to it last Halloween when I finally watched From Dusk Til Dawn. Neat premise let down hard by abysmal action and setpieces.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on February 10, 2022, 10:19:44 PM
God. Yes.

I wanted to live that movie, and I adore Quentin’s first half. The second half is miserable.

Also, SPY KIDS and the SHARK BOY AND LAVA GIRL movies also have the same chintzy feel to them.

Desperado and Once Upon a Time in Mexico were good though.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on February 10, 2022, 10:29:48 PM
Being kids films, the action isn't as important, and there's so much goofy and weird stuff in Spy Kids that the trilogy is probably Rodriguez's strongest work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCypHjKXwis

Also Spy Kids 3D was probably the first non-Japanese isekai.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on February 10, 2022, 10:31:47 PM
People seem to finally be waking up to the fact Robert Rodriguez, despite his pedigree, absolutely sucks at action. I woke up to it last Halloween when I finally watched From Dusk Til Dawn. Neat premise let down hard by abysmal action and setpieces.
Desperado says eat my Bucho!
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on March 09, 2022, 05:35:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnlOhdFZSXw

Me after the first 30 seconds: "You... fucking. Bastards."

Like holy shit, Disney remembered Duel of the Fates exists and is the best piece of SW music ever.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on March 09, 2022, 05:47:06 PM
Also Joel Edgerton is ridiculously underrated and I'm excited to see him be in something popular.

I wonder if he ever imagined a 20-second cameo in the final film of a trilogy would lead to side-character status on a limited series 17 years on.

...Probably not.  :brain
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on March 09, 2022, 06:39:27 PM
Also Joel Edgerton is ridiculously underrated and I'm excited to see him be in something popular.

I wonder if he ever imagined a 20-second cameo in the final film of a trilogy would lead to side-character status on a limited series 17 years on.

...Probably not.  :brain
Even here he has flown under the radar while having an absolutely stellar career.

If I was an actor, I think I would like it that way rather than attracting all the hysteria and shit.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on March 10, 2022, 10:32:49 PM
I can't stop watching this goddamn trailer. :maf :lawd

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Just the knowledge of Hayden coming back as Vader/Anakin is making me go :crazy
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I didn't think I had nostalgia for the prequels but I guess it was just all that Clone Wars CG shit Lucas and then Disney have been peddling (on the prequel side) for the last 15 years. :idont
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on March 10, 2022, 11:43:19 PM
I can't stop watching this goddamn trailer. :maf :lawd

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Just the knowledge of Hayden coming back as Vader/Anakin is making me go :crazy
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I didn't think I had nostalgia for the prequels but I guess it was just all that Clone Wars CG shit Lucas and then Disney have been peddling (on the prequel side) for the last 15 years. :idont
I only have nostalgia for Duel of the Fates.

The rest is  :piss :gaas
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on March 11, 2022, 01:06:58 AM
That is a badass chorale, for sure.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 11, 2022, 02:05:34 PM
I bought the Episode I soundtrack on CD back in 1999 for Duel of the Fates. :rejoice
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: daemon on March 13, 2022, 08:43:27 PM
I bought the Episode I soundtrack on CD back in 1999 for Duel of the Fates. :rejoice

Me too, or rather my mom did.

Liked to go to the train station by hearing this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Aee-bOCME
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: daemon on March 13, 2022, 08:48:20 PM
I'm gonna post my cringe videos of stopmotion I made back in 2001 lmfao
https://streamable.com/p7vc97

If you're thinking, ey that's not bad for a 10 year old... I was 15.

(Qui-gon curling up in the most dramatic way will never not crack me up)

PS: fucked up, double post.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on March 13, 2022, 09:41:35 PM
It was one of my first three songs on iTunes.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: MMaRsu on March 14, 2022, 12:04:25 PM
Even Dutch rapper Brainpower used it as a 8 minute diss track  :doge

https://youtu.be/T-bF7cOtc7M

Good beat

Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on March 14, 2022, 08:44:10 PM
‘Obi-Wan Kenobi’: Darth Maul Scenes Cut, Luke Skywalker Replaced During Creative Overhaul (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/obi-wan-kenobi-darth-maul-scenes-cut-luke-skywalker-replaced-during-creative-overhaul-1235108192/)

Thank God. Not sure I could take Robot Legs in live action, even if Vader is the most overused character in SW (Deepfake Luke is giving him a run for his money though).
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on March 15, 2022, 12:13:06 AM
‘Obi-Wan Kenobi’: Darth Maul Scenes Cut, Luke Skywalker Replaced During Creative Overhaul (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/obi-wan-kenobi-darth-maul-scenes-cut-luke-skywalker-replaced-during-creative-overhaul-1235108192/)

Thank God. Not sure I could take Robot Legs in live action, even if Vader is the most overused character in SW (Deepfake Luke is giving him a run for his money though).

Darth Maul's SOLO cameo was just goofy for me. I didn't get a sense of the animalistic, barely controlled rage of Episode I's Maul.
I think Deepfake Luke is great. CG de-aged Luke, less so.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on March 16, 2022, 06:13:46 AM
http://twitter.com/SequelMemes/status/1504000723373207554
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on March 19, 2022, 03:43:39 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOEw2-KXoAY7PqW?format=png&name=900x900)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Sideshow Raheem on March 20, 2022, 07:55:25 PM
Good for the Star War for deciding not to put Maul in Obi-Wan.

Maul died in the first Star War and then died again when Obi-Wan killed him in the cartoons. He's more of a clown than Boba Fett,  and Fett got killed by a blind guy with a stick.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on March 21, 2022, 05:43:19 AM
Good for the Star War for deciding not to put Maul in Obi-Wan.

Maul died in the first Star War and then died again when Obi-Wan killed him in the cartoons. He's more of a clown than Boba Fett,  and Fett got killed by a blind guy with a stick.
It bothers me so much that Palpatine and Vader destroyed the Jedi and hunted them all down to the point that most people don't even think they were real, except for all the Jedi that they didn't kill and that keep showing up in really prominent storylines.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on March 21, 2022, 07:39:12 AM
Star Wars basically has comic book logic now, don't think about the details like how Erik Lensherr should be like 110 years old or something (I know the comics deaged him a few times to handwave this).
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on March 27, 2022, 10:17:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ul1pef501M

Fanworks :larry :obama
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on March 28, 2022, 06:24:06 AM
No matter how serious you try to make it, an emphasemic robot will always be comical.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 28, 2022, 10:22:02 AM
No matter how serious you try to make it, an emphasemic robot will always be comical.

George Lucas should have done a bit about how his arthritis was acting up.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on March 29, 2022, 05:54:12 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPBTkrVWYA0jcAy?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on April 07, 2022, 05:21:59 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPtcmUXXEAcREAS?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on April 07, 2022, 07:02:14 PM
What am “fnp”?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Uncle on April 07, 2022, 08:25:52 PM
fun n' pleasant
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Uncle on April 07, 2022, 08:29:01 PM
frustratingly not protestant
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Uncle on April 07, 2022, 08:29:49 PM
Finn nails Padme
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on May 01, 2022, 09:01:40 PM
https://www.imfineimfine.com/p/this-place-was-home?s=r

Super charming and adds depth and kindness to the prequels and TBoBF
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on May 02, 2022, 03:13:04 PM
Science proves it!
Quote from: https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-best-worst-movies-uswitch/
A recent study revealed the best and worst films out of the nine main entries in the Star Wars franchise, and the results suggest fans prefer the originals, and evidently carry a strong dislike for one recent film in particular.

A study by a broadband service provider U Switch combined metrics from the twenty highest grossing movie series and compared them against their sequels to discover the best and worst films in each franchise. The study used scores from IMDb, Rotten Tomatoes, and Metacritic, along with box office revenue and profitability, to reveal the worst Star Wars film is the latest instalment, The Rise of Skywalker.

The Rise of Skywalker rated 3.28 out of 10 in a tight race to the bottom, with a slight edge over Attack of the Clones as the second-worst film, which rated 3.4. Episode IX might have been the worst entry in the franchise, but its immediate predecessors The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi fared better in third and fourth place respectively. The 1999-2005 prequel trilogy was considered the least appealing era overall, with its highest rated film, Revenge of the Sith, coming in sixth place.

The "study": https://www.uswitch.com/broadband/studies/successful-sequels/
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Uncle on May 02, 2022, 03:52:00 PM
I know at this point it's really obvious to everyone that rotten tomatoes is compromised but it's still mindblowing how blatant it is

(https://i.imgur.com/sqkDvXr.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/seh6p.gif)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on May 02, 2022, 03:55:40 PM
I have to agree with the bottom two entirely.

TRoS was utter garbage that didn't even make sense.
AotC was a categorically terrible film.
TLJ comes in next.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on May 02, 2022, 04:01:39 PM
Science proves it!
Quote from: https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-best-worst-movies-uswitch/
A recent study revealed the best and worst films out of the nine main entries in the Star Wars franchise, and the results suggest fans prefer the originals, and evidently carry a strong dislike for one recent film in particular.

A study by a broadband service provider U Switch combined metrics from the twenty highest grossing movie series and compared them against their sequels to discover the best and worst films in each franchise. The study used scores from IMDb, Rotten Tomatoes, and Metacritic, along with box office revenue and profitability, to reveal the worst Star Wars film is the latest instalment, The Rise of Skywalker.

The Rise of Skywalker rated 3.28 out of 10 in a tight race to the bottom, with a slight edge over Attack of the Clones as the second-worst film, which rated 3.4. Episode IX might have been the worst entry in the franchise, but its immediate predecessors The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi fared better in third and fourth place respectively. The 1999-2005 prequel trilogy was considered the least appealing era overall, with its highest rated film, Revenge of the Sith, coming in sixth place.

The "study": https://www.uswitch.com/broadband/studies/successful-sequels/

It's bad in different ways than AoC... Honestly they're both so bad I don't even think it's useful to differentiate which is "better."
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Uncle on May 02, 2022, 04:21:24 PM
I think there's value in an entertainingly bad movie vs. one that depresses/annoys/frustrates you

like how The Room is a good bad movie, something that can bring you terrible joy

AotC at least has the meme potential
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on May 02, 2022, 04:47:52 PM
I think there's value in an entertainingly bad movie vs. one that depresses/annoys/frustrates you

like how The Room is a good bad movie, something that can bring you terrible joy

AotC at least has the meme potential
If you like good bad movies, then please go and find a copy of an 80s film called Deadly Prey. It's my favourite entertainingly shit movie of all time.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on May 02, 2022, 05:04:30 PM
Attack of the Clones still had potential and was salvagable depending on your tastes.
If you were into Natalie Portman you still got some eye candy and if you enjoyed lasers and robots and light sabers you got that too.
It had some interesting plots like Dooku trying to persuade the Jedi to join him against Darth Sidious and a number of likeable characters played by great actors.
Overall though it was just a bore designed to sell merchandise until it concluded in the third film. It wasn't rushed though, quite the opposite it was overproduced and over cooked.

The Rise of Skywalker was just a big flaming turd with no redeemable features whatsoever.
It made no sense and apart from Finn and the pilot that barely got any screen time nearly all the new characters suck.
And not only was it a shitty film, it also retroactively ruined the plot of basically the entire new trilogy.
Removing the remaining mystery and suspense from the Star Wars universe and replacing it with the dumbest plot imaginable.

Only a few times in history have fandoms been torched like this by rushed products.
Things that come to mind are Dragonball GT, Sonic 2006, the final episodes of Game of Thrones and the butchered ending of Boardwalk Empire.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2022, 08:51:50 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FR3fsWKXwAA79PB?format=png&name=900x900)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 04, 2022, 01:33:14 PM
4-6: Good
1-3, 7-9: Bad

Source: Dude just trust me.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Polident Hive on May 04, 2022, 06:52:27 PM
Realizing I couldn’t tell you which of the three movies that meme image is from. Those movies came and went.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on May 04, 2022, 08:43:40 PM
Rey’s in the gunner seat on Crait, episode 8.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Uncle on May 04, 2022, 09:22:03 PM
feels like an internal cognitive dissonance that riann wanted to pull the rug out from under the star wars nerds, force people to think differently, change their expectations, step back and contemplate

...while cheering at triple kill 9x point combo

studio meddling, I suppose
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on May 05, 2022, 12:36:19 AM
Rey’s in the gunner seat on Crait, episode 8.

Rey has a different hairstyle and outfit because they weren't shoehorning in old Leia footage, episode 8.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on May 05, 2022, 12:37:51 AM
Seriously everyone talks about how dumb Kylo getting his mask back was but no one talks about Rey's complete stylistic reversion
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on May 05, 2022, 12:47:40 AM
Seriously everyone talks about how dumb Kylo getting his mask back was but no one talks about Rey's complete stylistic reversion

Can you elaborate?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on May 05, 2022, 12:52:15 AM
Seriously everyone talks about how dumb Kylo getting his mask back was but no one talks about Rey's complete stylistic reversion

Can you elaborate?


(https://i.imgur.com/CKTAW5o.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/uTPdLaM.jpg)

(https://www.hutmobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/1-482.jpg)

Episodes 7, 8, and 9, respectively.

JJ reverted Rey to her episode 7 look so the Carrie Fisher scenes they reused would match episode 9.

Like Ben, she regressed.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on May 05, 2022, 12:56:23 AM
Completely unrelated, here's some concept art for Colin Trevorrow's scrapped Duel of the Fates.

(https://miro.medium.com/max/1024/1*uMuvOl5_wph58dcgE4VEfQ.jpeg)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on May 05, 2022, 02:24:46 AM
Still amazes me how badly they fucked that whole trilogy of movies.

It's mindblowing that Disney made such a huge investment and could have had a second franchise with twice yearly films to dominate the box office and instead they just let these morons not even plan out a coherent story.

There will be a time when all the dirty secrets come out and then we will all realise that no matter how bad we think they fucked it up, the reality will be even worse.

How anyone involved still has a job or gets any work with a higher profile than direct-to-streaming sequels to mediocre family comedies is beyond absurd.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on May 05, 2022, 04:40:32 AM
*opens powerpoint*

Ok people, we've made some edits to the script. This is how we make star wars appealing to the suburban latinx non-binary demographic, get past the Chinese censors, make the designs simple enough for cheap toys and root out the male gaze and masochism. Any questions?  :social
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Sideshow Raheem on May 05, 2022, 08:13:26 AM
Still amazes me how badly they fucked that whole trilogy of movies.

It's mindblowing that Disney made such a huge investment and could have had a second franchise with twice yearly films to dominate the box office and instead they just let these morons not even plan out a coherent story.

There will be a time when all the dirty secrets come out and then we will all realise that no matter how bad we think they fucked it up, the reality will be even worse.

How anyone involved still has a job or gets any work with a higher profile than direct-to-streaming sequels to mediocre family comedies is beyond absurd.

Yeah, some planning would have done a lot of good. And maybe hire a few editors to look at the script beforehand. Maybe one of them would tell you not to make the same movie twice.

Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on May 05, 2022, 08:37:19 AM
According to the one Star Wars oral history book, the conclusion IX Rian Johnson wrote was not perfect but mostly followed logically from The Last Jedi. JJ threw it out almost completely and felt he shouldn't be restricted by what Johnson did in The Last Jedi and so if he wanted to ignore anything that happened in it he just could.

The only conclusion to draw from this is that nobody involved actually knew what a trilogy is or why they're supposed to resemble three acts. The fact that nobody decided before doing any of it what should happen in the third part and then they brought back the guy who made the first part and he just made it up as he shot is amazing for such a gigantic franchise.

One of the major actors was able to die and it probably didn't change their role in the third part because there probably wasn't any role mapped out in the first place.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on May 05, 2022, 08:48:42 AM
*opens powerpoint*

Ok people, we've made some edits to the script. This is how we make star wars appealing to the suburban latinx non-binary demographic, get past the Chinese censors, make the designs simple enough for cheap toys and root out the male gaze and masochism. Any questions?  :social
They could have done all of that and still made a decent film that made sense. I wouldn't have cared at all that they made it all *woke* if the story was better than the insulting shit pile they gave us.

It's not even like they had to try.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 05, 2022, 11:00:57 AM
Somehow Palpatine has returned...
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Uncle on May 05, 2022, 11:17:38 AM
Episode III title crawl:

(https://i.imgur.com/eNFYBGq.png)

audiences:  :mindblown "wait, something important happened offscreen with palpatine, in this third movie of the trilogy?"

Lucas:  :lucas "it's explained in supplementary material"

(https://i.imgur.com/YqLQteY.png)



Episode IX title crawl:

(https://i.imgur.com/GSlqavl.png)

audiences:  :mindblown "wait, something important happened offscreen with palpatine, in this third movie of the trilogy?"

Disney:  :no1curr "it's explained in supplementary material"

(https://i.imgur.com/RfoAy3N.png)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on May 10, 2022, 09:46:46 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wJj0TLLPGI
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on May 19, 2022, 01:28:01 PM
https://deadline.com/2022/05/kathleen-kennedy-star-wars-filmmaking-lessons-learned-1235027840

"This isn't the job for me"?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on May 19, 2022, 01:54:34 PM
Quote
“I hesitate to use the word trilogies anymore, because Star Wars is much more about persistent storytelling,” Kennedy says.

As for the film side of that, “We have a road map,” Kennedy says.

oh dear
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on May 19, 2022, 01:57:25 PM
I'm not sure that indicates she actually has learned anything.

I don't think Solo failed because they cast a younger actor to play a younger Han Solo, that whole thing where they fired the directors and writers and brought in Ron Howard to staple the thing together on the quick might have been one of the learning lessons but she doesn't mention that.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on May 19, 2022, 02:11:56 PM
https://twitter.com/KevMagnet/status/1527000495507783682
https://twitter.com/SlimThikCuteAss/status/1527070089220169735
https://twitter.com/AngryBLKPanther/status/1527099391680692225
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on May 19, 2022, 02:17:36 PM
I'm not sure that indicates she actually has learned anything.

I don't think Solo failed because they cast a younger actor to play a younger Han Solo, that whole thing where they fired the directors and writers and brought in Ron Howard to staple the thing together on the quick might have been one of the learning lessons but she doesn't mention that.
It doesn't make sense on any level. Star Wars has recasted a bunch of characters like Anakin/Vader and Obi Wan.
And how does she imagine this origin story would've worked out if they casted Ford to play the role? Another de-aging horror show?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on May 19, 2022, 02:24:06 PM
It doesn't make sense on any level. Star Wars has recasted a bunch of characters like Anakin/Vader and Obi Wan.
The lesson she learned is don't recast roles with younger actors, she says in the same interview where she promotes the new Obi Wan series that does not star Alec Guinness.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Sideshow Raheem on May 19, 2022, 02:29:56 PM
https://deadline.com/2022/05/kathleen-kennedy-star-wars-filmmaking-lessons-learned-1235027840

"This isn't the job for me"?

She should have learned you can make a prequel movie that leaves some fannerds' questions unanswered.

Maybe just make your Han Solo movie and let us wonder where the protagonist got his blaster. Call this the Rogue One maneuver.

Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tuckers Law on May 27, 2022, 12:36:04 PM
Me hearing Obi-Wan spoilers:
 :lol :lol :lol

 :show :show :show
 :rofl :rofl :rofl

Star Wars is such a dumpster fire  :sabu
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on May 27, 2022, 09:28:32 PM
Impressive fan film for X-Wing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urAnFZBx7rE
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: MMaRsu on May 28, 2022, 02:12:18 PM
First two episodes of Obi Wan are pretty cool tho

Reminded me of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbWRuEtElQM
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on May 29, 2022, 08:24:26 PM
Obi-Wan is good fun.

The audience-knows-but-Obi-did-not "reveal" in ep 2 was surprisingly moving.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: VomKriege on May 30, 2022, 05:43:56 PM
https://twitter.com/eatinginmycar/status/1531104539713077254
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on May 30, 2022, 07:48:04 PM
That's some serious Stockholm Mos Eisley Syndrome.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on May 30, 2022, 08:11:30 PM
http://twitter.com/lightsabrqueen/status/1530564710130761732
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on May 31, 2022, 09:05:54 AM
I dunno, that star wars star cruiser thing is basically a LARP / Murder Mystery weekend but combined with one big / hundreds of little escape room puzzle scenarios, right?

I can see how its worth every penny to someone whos super into star wars but who might still be too normie to cosplay / LARPing / RenFaire / Reenactments type shit.
Its undeniably gonna be a fairly unique experience, especially if you take it seriously and atively try and join in.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Uncle on May 31, 2022, 09:07:29 AM
the only people paying that much for a star wars weekend are the kind of people the canto bight scene condemned  :wag
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 31, 2022, 11:06:16 AM
Do you have to pay extra to be enslaved and dominated by Jabba the Hutt or is that included in the $5200?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on May 31, 2022, 02:41:38 PM
the only people paying that much for a star wars weekend are the kind of people the canto bight scene condemned  :wag
More likely the kind of people who thought the Canto Bight scene was profound cinema.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: who is ted danson? on May 31, 2022, 03:49:37 PM
https://twitter.com/cClark3234/status/1531273827250061313

 :dead
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on June 07, 2022, 08:25:37 PM
http://twitter.com/CharlesSoule/status/1534204072605138945
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Sideshow Raheem on June 13, 2022, 02:11:44 PM
I have strong opinions about GLUB Shitto v. Glup Shitto.

Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: HaughtyFrank on June 13, 2022, 02:20:42 PM
Completely unrelated, here's some concept art for Colin Trevorrow's scrapped Duel of the Fates.

(https://miro.medium.com/max/1024/1*uMuvOl5_wph58dcgE4VEfQ.jpeg)

It makes me so mad that they never gave her the staff light saber. You'd think that shit was choreographed from the very beginning with Rey constantly running around with her staff. Turns out only Tevorrow had the brains to do it.

(https://i.imgur.com/07Qsjya.jpg)
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: HaughtyFrank on June 13, 2022, 02:24:13 PM
https://twitter.com/eatinginmycar/status/1531104539713077254

https://twitter.com/FrackoffF/status/1535467162424512518

 :thinking :thinking :thinking :thinking
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 13, 2022, 04:07:11 PM
The line to do coke with Glub Shitto was too long.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on June 13, 2022, 05:56:42 PM
The line to do coke with Glub Shitto was too long.

or too short!


Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on June 14, 2022, 08:47:51 PM
https://youtu.be/3MH4W_egPs0
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on June 14, 2022, 09:58:30 PM
Robot Chicken still got it

i don't expect that to be Hamill himself, even though he voiced all Luke/Joker appearances in the early seasons...
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: MMaRsu on June 16, 2022, 04:02:58 PM
New Obi Wan was dope

Ya watchin this
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on June 16, 2022, 04:05:58 PM
I'm hearing the last few eps have been gud and I almost started ep1 last night, but 55 mins... :dunno
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on June 16, 2022, 04:12:12 PM
Got way too many shows going on to start Obi Wan. Will do it soon though
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on June 29, 2022, 06:48:57 PM
https://youtu.be/DblSA-T_C-I

Solid.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: VomKriege on July 17, 2022, 12:47:17 PM
https://youtu.be/iDRi3lPqv4U

Yes :rejoice

https://youtu.be/JnmeTyU1rA0
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: VomKriege on July 18, 2022, 06:34:07 AM
" - SHE FRIEND ZONED ME ! :maf
- You've done that to yourself."


I'm gonna rep Auralnauts some more because I really like their work and that's the only way I consume Star Wars these days along I suppose some of the Bad Lip Reading songs (which operates in the same sort of space).

They re-edited, scored and dubbed episode 1 through 7 into a surprisingly cohesive spoof story centered around the Jedi being obnoxious party animals chasing highs and the Empire being a galactic entertainment conglomerate. Larry Kenobi rights addiction, Anakin sell out to a corporate job, Luke and Leia are a couple running a Laser Master show. Oh and C3P0 is bent on genociding all humans because of daddy issues after being abandoned by Anakin.

They're obviously big fans of electronic music, not half bad at it and the tracks play a huge part in making those really fun. Check out the tracks if you're not in the mood for several hours of storytelling. The comedy probably won't be to everyone's taste.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: VomKriege on July 23, 2022, 03:17:13 PM
So huh, all the live action TV shows save for Mando S1 have had lukewarm reception too ?
 :doge
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: VomKriege on July 23, 2022, 04:04:07 PM
Viktor Duplaix Kylo Ren
https://youtu.be/DclkIJ2_IAQ
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tuckers Law on July 25, 2022, 10:06:32 AM
edit: wrong thread
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on July 31, 2022, 04:07:29 AM
It's smart to take the high ground.

It just dawned on me that in Episode III, Obi-Wan warns Anakin, "I have the high ground!" but in Episode I, Darth Maul was literally standing on higher ground and watching Obi-Wan from a much more advantageous position, and yet OB1 just fucking does a Force Chin-Up and gets the drop on Maul. SMDH.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on July 31, 2022, 08:30:54 AM
yeah, but anakin was surrounded by lava, which is basically hot sand soooooo.........
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: VomKriege on July 31, 2022, 12:56:34 PM
If only Anakin quadrupled his flip power...
It's one of those details I don't really take seriously, it's just an hopeful cue of Larry Kenobi saying out loud to Anakin he's blinded by rage and not thinking straight. Sword dueling in space is otherwise so inconsistent it's :yeshrug and maybe they took that too seriously.
I mean, who's Darth Maul really ? A poseur that looks good and was obviously a fodder disciple.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: HaughtyFrank on July 31, 2022, 01:57:10 PM
Can the next Star Was visions look like this?

https://twitter.com/Sykosan/status/1547215603647320068
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on August 18, 2022, 02:21:41 AM
I passed on Obi-Wan. I'd rather just continue to think of Obi-Wan just hanging out on Tatooine as a loner looking over Luke rather than him having adventures and fighting Vader. Chalk up another Star Wars show/movie that didn't need to happen.

Andor on the other hand is looking good (well, the trailer is anyway).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKOegEuCcfw
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on August 18, 2022, 12:43:42 PM
Obi-Wan was fun, but there were some weird choices that were distracting to the point where it broke immersion. There was a little bit of dancing around timeline issues so that everything still fits together. I may end up watching it again, unlike Boba Fett, which was a sad one-and-done for me.

Andor does look great, and there are few limitations on what they might do with him. Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Polident Hive on August 19, 2022, 10:36:28 AM
Obiwan was okay. Kept waiting for it to be better than okay. Never was. That’s okay. Never watched the Boba show. Don’t think I watched all of Mandalorian.

Andor, I’m in it for Tony Gilroy. Know he did rewrites for Rogue One and the character is from there. Neither left an impression on me. But Andor is sounding like an espionage thriller in Star Wars from the guy behind Michael Clayton and the Bourne movies.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tuckers Law on August 19, 2022, 01:49:29 PM
Nothing Disney and Lucasfilm have their meddling hands upon is going to be even a smidge as good in quality as Michael Clayton, even with Tony Gilroy involved.  I hope he’s collecting a giant fat paycheck for this, because the output will most certainly be okay at best.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: HaughtyFrank on August 19, 2022, 01:55:37 PM
I just wonder if the trailer actually reflects the tone of the show. Boba Fett and Obi-wan had similarly super serious trailers and then the actual show was camp galore
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Sideshow Raheem on August 26, 2022, 07:20:07 AM
A spinoff of the worst Star Wars spinoff starring the least interesting Star Wars character?

My friend suggested he's not in on any bit of Star Wars without lightsabers. And I think he's on to something.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Uncle on August 26, 2022, 07:57:42 AM
that's funny, a lot of people say the opposite, and the best way to expand the universe would be to get away from the force and lightsabers, since that ends up being the most mary sue, rule of cool, "remember this?!" stuff
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Sideshow Raheem on August 26, 2022, 12:38:23 PM
that's funny, a lot of people say the opposite, and the best way to expand the universe would be to get away from the force and lightsabers, since that ends up being the most mary sue, rule of cool, "remember this?!" stuff

Yeah, I don't know how you rehabilitate Star Wars. I'm not sure it's with Andor.

I'm no Booby Robert, Star Wars Historiologist, mind. Whatever happened to that guy?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: VomKriege on August 26, 2022, 04:50:53 PM
that's funny, a lot of people say the opposite, and the best way to expand the universe would be to get away from the force and lightsabers, since that ends up being the most mary sue, rule of cool, "remember this?!" stuff

Yeah but without the force and lightsabers, is it really Star Wars or just a shallow bang-average space opera ?

I guess having a spin-off that doesn't relate as heavily on OT characters is progress (?)

Disney seems to have a general idea that the best thing to do is having more low stakes, simpler stories in the mix and pace the epic films on a longer schedule.

In a rare praise of MCU, Marvel has hundreds of characters and thousands of stories that explored different tones to draw from, even if you can argue it's not that deep. I think it was a mistake if they believed Star Wars could be milked as intensively.

Can't wait for the surprise hit Jar Jar series that will finally redeem the character.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on September 24, 2022, 07:15:38 PM
https://gizmodo.com/james-earl-jones-darth-vader-voice-rights-1849577608

No one's ever really gone.

I can see Sega and probably a lot of others doing this eventually. Why pay VAs when an AI can do it? :thinking :yuck
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: HaughtyFrank on September 24, 2022, 08:14:07 PM
Apparently Vader's voice was already 100% AI in Obi-Wan. Crazy times
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 24, 2022, 08:25:17 PM
lol at this thread being bumped but it not being about the new series, that no one seemingly cares about :teehee
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on September 24, 2022, 08:58:59 PM
I'll get around to watching it after Rings of Power and House of the Dragon
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on September 24, 2022, 09:02:18 PM
lol at this thread being bumped but it not being about the new series, that no one seemingly cares about :teehee
Since they only released the first three episodes with the rest coming weekly I assumed it was a vicious attack by Disney on those like PlanetSmasher who don't have the time to watch shows weekly rather than all at once and I refuse to support these hateful bigoted practices by pirating the show to watch.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on September 25, 2022, 07:52:12 AM
I found Rogue One to be a really miserable and unnecessary film, so a spin off of one of the dudes from it is :idont
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on September 25, 2022, 09:20:01 AM
ANDOR: I watched all three available episodes, and enjoyed it. The third episode in particular was well directed and edited. I’m not sure where it will end up going, except that it’ll lean toward the nascent rebel alliance.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: HaughtyFrank on September 25, 2022, 10:04:26 AM
Yeah first three episodes were alright. Whole thing is a lot more serious than the other star wars shows but also surprisingly low stakes with basically just Andor trying to flee some cops, though I'm sure this will change once he becomes part of the rebels.

Only annoying aspect is that it's one of those TV shows that's laid out more like a long movie so I'm not sure if I'll really watch it weekly or just wait til all episodes dropped
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on September 26, 2022, 06:09:53 AM
Watched first episode of Andor. Was pleasantly surprised...actual tension in a Star War show!!! I'm in for the rest of this season for sure.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on September 27, 2022, 08:13:39 PM
http://twitter.com/sequelmemes/status/1574883202015043591
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on September 27, 2022, 09:48:51 PM
I went from apathy about Ep 9 to now being annoyed at the squandered potential and shitty writing.

I've done at least three 180 turns on Ep 8 and I think I've landed on... liking it, excepting Canto Bight and "love will save us *smooch*".
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on September 27, 2022, 11:16:32 PM
I went from apathy about Ep 9 to now being annoyed at the squandered potential and shitty writing.

I've done at least three 180 turns on Ep 8 and I think I've landed on... liking it, excepting Canto Bight and "love will save us *smooch*".
I'm pretty much with you except I was never apathetic about 9. It was always complete shit
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 28, 2022, 03:48:35 PM
I still haven't seen 9.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on September 28, 2022, 05:47:57 PM
Don't.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Somehow the emperor has returned  :derp
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Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2022, 06:22:10 PM
I still haven't seen 8 or 9.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on September 28, 2022, 06:41:30 PM
Just make up your own story of what happens after RotJ. It will be better.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on September 28, 2022, 08:43:30 PM
I'm pretty sure I've posted this before, but:

I saw Star Wars in its opening month in 1977. It became an immediate obsession. I was so crazy in love with the movie, it was just amazing. Close to a religious experience, for my young mind.

I collected every series of Topps Star Wars Cards, and when the "Darth Vader's TIE Fighter" card mentioned "next year's model," I took it to mean there would be a sequel. I was overjoyed.

ESB came out in 1980, and it was even more enthralling and engaging than the first movie had been. Lucas talked about making 9 movies total. I was giddy.

ROTJ played in theaters in 1983. I was working in a comic book store at the time, and Marvel accidentally sent out the comic adaptation a week or two early. I grabbed my copy from the store's stash, and read it that very day. It seemed... okay. The movie came out, there were teddy bears beating up stormtroopers. Han Solo didn't seem cool anymore. Vader is redeemed by tossing the Emperor down a hole, though he has killed billions of people. This all seems overly simplistic and childish.

GL stops making Star Wars movies.

Fast forward to 1999, Episode I is released.  I stay up to watch a 1AM showing on its launch. On the way home, I wonder what the fuck I have watched. Home Alone in space? This was not great. The Prequels, on the whole, are entirely disappointing. GL shows us just how much he doesn't want to work with actors. Episode II is worse than I. Episode III is the least bad, but still confusing, ham-handed, overly-reliant on its CG budget. The best thing that can be said is it makes Return of the Jedi seem to make a little more sense by humanizing Anakin.

When Episode VII: The Force Awakens finally appears, it looks like someone has remembered how to make a Star Wars movie. Practical effects, practical sets, some mystery, and a sense of the familiar among everything that's alien. It's good fun.

I know it's contentious, but Rian Johnson's Episode VIII: The Last Jedi is my third favorite starwars work. Listen to the dialog. Hear what he's saying. Rian did his best to take the story from one of hereditary greatness, divine right, the right of kings, to instead democratize the Force. Rey is NO ONE. Her temptation is to join in the service of the selfish, sociopathic hereditary heir, or to risk death and die as a talented nobody. She risks death rather than submit to serving as nihilism's partner. Kylo himself has a point: sometimes you have to tear down the past in order to build the future. Leave it behind. It's fucking great.

But the butthurt fanbois of the world couldn't take a girl hero, couldn't take that their incel champion was simping after this "Mary Sue" character, and so JJ Abrams went back and undid all the democratization of the Force, reintegrated Rey as a member of a heroic bloodline, and erased everything that is interesting in Episode IX.

If you told me in 1977 that all nine films would eventually be made, but that the last one would be so utterly horrible that it would diminish my love for the work as a whole, I would not have believed you. But there it is. Episode IX is irredeemable. åç
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Uncle on September 28, 2022, 08:54:02 PM
lucas democratized the force when he showed a room full of nobody kids practicing with lightsabers, and rooms full of random jedi from unknown backgrounds, clearly experienced and powerful, and clearly not all "chosen ones"

ahsoka is one of the most popular characters in all of star wars and she's a fucking nobody from nowhere, not from a long line of jedi or anything like that

(she's also female which shows that people don't hate rey just because she's a girl, but because she's a shitty character)



JJ doesn't deserve any defense for anything he did, but rey isn't a "somebody" to reinforce that bloodlines are important, he did it because there was no fucking villain left in play, and rather than try to redeem hux from the comedy relief rian reduced him to, or pull a random chiss out of nowhere and try to make people care about him at the last minute, he had to rely on something marketable...and then there has to be a reason the main characters are connected to the villain, because it's star wars



the other things you praise are the things rian destroys in his own movie:

oh boy it's so great that luke has given up on the jedi and wants to tear down his religion, oh wait by the end he's been beaten into sense by yoda and says he won't be the last jedi

oh yes kylo yas queen, build something new with rey, tear down the past, oh wait he's still just a screaming manchild school shooter with bad ideas and rey still opposes his efforts to destroy

either he always intended his themes to run counter to ideas he established, or he didn't have the balls to stick the landing, and neither of those results in a good film
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on September 28, 2022, 09:37:38 PM
I went from apathy about Ep 9 to now being annoyed at the squandered potential and shitty writing.

I've done at least three 180 turns on Ep 8 and I think I've landed on... liking it, excepting Canto Bight and "love will save us *smooch*".
I'm not a Rian Johnson fan, but read about the script he submitted for IX that JJ scrapped completely. It may not have been great and may have had its own stupidity but it at least followed logically from what happened in VIII.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on September 28, 2022, 09:52:37 PM
I went from apathy about Ep 9 to now being annoyed at the squandered potential and shitty writing.

I've done at least three 180 turns on Ep 8 and I think I've landed on... liking it, excepting Canto Bight and "love will save us *smooch*".
I'm not a Rian Johnson fan, but read about the script he submitted for IX that JJ scrapped completely. It may not have been great and may have had its own stupidity but it at least followed logically from what happened in VIII.

That was Colin Trevorrow's script  :info

And I agree

Rian was never approached and never reached out himself about doing Episode 9.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on September 28, 2022, 10:00:01 PM
Erp derp, you're completely right.

They should have forced JJ to punch up that script, especially since the time table was so crunched to start over and still hit the release.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on September 29, 2022, 02:49:57 PM
I know it's contentious, but Rian Johnson's Episode VIII: The Last Jedi is my third favorite starwars work. Listen to the dialog. Hear what he's saying. Rian did his best to take the story from one of hereditary greatness, divine right, the right of kings, to instead democratize the Force. Rey is NO ONE. Her temptation is to join in the service of the selfish, sociopathic hereditary heir, or to risk death and die as a talented nobody. She risks death rather than submit to serving as nihilism's partner. Kylo himself has a point: sometimes you have to tear down the past in order to build the future. Leave it behind. It's fucking great.

But the butthurt fanbois of the world couldn't take a girl hero, couldn't take that their incel champion was simping after this "Mary Sue" character, and so JJ Abrams went back and undid all the democratization of the Force, reintegrated Rey as a member of a heroic bloodline, and erased everything that is interesting in Episode IX.

The problem with this interpretation is that what Rian Johnson made was act 2 of an explicitly-stated-to-be 3 act trilogy that throws pretty much everything established in Act 1 away, and also left very little to actually resolve in Act 3.
He went to improv and "No, because"d everything thrown at him instead of "Yes, and"ing.

If he really wanted to make a comedic deconstruction it a) should have been a standalone, not the middle arc of a tentpole franchise, and b) be better than Spaceballs. Which it isn't.

I might be misremembering, but I'm also fairly sure most of the 'Mary Sue' complaints started around his film, even though Rey was the unequivocal heroine of TFA, so to what extent that is a criticism of his film in particular versus generic mouth breathing misogynist fandom menace who would hate anything not-a-man is very much debatable.

Ep 9 is fucking shit, but I can't help but feel its because the pressure was on to salvage an actual trilogy by ignoring Ep8 and trying to compress 2 Acts into 1 film, and ignore what came before. Which wouldn't have been needed if Ep8 had thrown the not-rian-johnsons who were left to pick up the final act a fucking bone.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on September 29, 2022, 04:44:17 PM
Kylo Ren was a perfectly acceptable antagonist. There was no need to "somehow the emperor has returned" that shit. That's where the problems with 9 began.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on September 29, 2022, 10:39:44 PM
Kylo Ren was a perfectly acceptable antagonist. There was no need to "somehow the emperor has returned" that shit. That's where the problems with 9 began.

:hesright
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on September 29, 2022, 10:40:19 PM
http://twitter.com/swculture/status/1575440439737458689
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on September 29, 2022, 10:52:03 PM
Kylo Ren was a perfectly acceptable antagonist. There was no need to "somehow the emperor has returned" that shit. That's where the problems with 9 began.
Writing crutch of a hack: Everything that's happened? SECRET PLAN PULLED OFF PERFECTLY BY GUY YOU KNOW IS BAD (AND WAS THOUGHT TO BE DEAD)! HE ANTICIPATED EVERYTHING!

Runner-up: All those new characters? IRRELEVANT PAWNS OF LONG RUNNING VILLAIN!
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on October 01, 2022, 04:17:51 PM
Kylo Ren was a perfectly acceptable antagonist. There was no need to "somehow the emperor has returned" that shit. That's where the problems with 9 began.

I can't really remmeber and have zero interest in rewatching any of them to refresh my memory, but didn't TFA setup (well, echo back to) a potential love triangle with rey, poe and finn, a la luke / leia / han?
Because I think - but could be wrong - it was ep 8 that started with the main protagonist and antagonist wanting to bang, which uhhh yeah kinda does ruin your main bad guy, and also the guy setup to be the main bad guy behind the visible bad guy also getting written out ASAP.

Thats not in any way defending 'oh yea, and the bad guy from the previous films back now because reasons, as youll know if you play fortnite"
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on October 01, 2022, 04:27:15 PM
I don't recall there being ANY sexual tension between Rey and Poe, Rey and Finn or Finn and Poe...but that could have just been bad filmmaking.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: chronovore on October 03, 2022, 04:36:49 AM
I don't recall there being ANY sexual tension between Rey and Poe, Rey and Finn or Finn and Poe...but that could have just been bad filmmaking.
Finn clearly felt he should protect Rey, and seemed like he was running game on her, but it could’ve easily been read as innocent or naive due to being raised in the First Order.

Just noticed this. Looks great.
https://youtu.be/odnRRZKhNPk
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Borealis on October 03, 2022, 04:49:18 AM
Andor any good?
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on October 03, 2022, 05:42:27 AM
First episode seemed ok. That's as far as I've got due to there being a bunch of better than ok nerd stuff on at the moment.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on October 12, 2022, 07:27:16 AM
The third episode of Andor is by far the best Star Wars thing that Disney have ever produced. In fact, this whole show is the best Star Wars thing since RotJ.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on October 17, 2022, 11:48:42 PM
Nearly finished episode 4 of Andor and I love how they have captured the extreme bureaucracy needed to run a tyrannical galactic empire and still make it all entertaining.

The best compliment I can pay this show is that I'd still watch it even if it wasn't a Star Wars show.


EDIT: Anton Lesser is absolutely killing it as Major Partagaz. He just oozes bureaucratic efficiency and cunning. Superb acting.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Sideshow Raheem on October 28, 2022, 08:45:36 PM
Tales of the Jedi is out and is a bore.

Each episode is about 15 minutes and fills in backstory you really weren't ever concerned about.

One good part:
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Yaddle the yoda clone. But only because I am feeling generous.
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Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on November 27, 2022, 06:41:32 AM
I quite liked some of the episodes of Tales of the Jedi.


Finally finished Andor and it was legit good.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2022, 11:33:28 PM
Haven't seen a single second of anything Star Wars since The Last Jedi.

Got Disney Plus for Beatles Get Back and figured I should catch up after hating this franchise since TLJ absolutely trashed it.

Started with TFA.

Very mediocre movie in hindsight with lots of potential. The  fake out of using Finn with a lightsaber in promoting material but then making him a Shia Lebouf no no no no no esque comedy relief sticks. Rey is an awfully boring character, compounded with being a Mary Sue. I truly think I and others were too caught up in the hype for this when it came out to see past the flaws.

Next, The Last Jedi, which I have seen only once.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2022, 12:32:47 AM
13 minutes into TLJ and of course they've turned the only black character into comedy relief again. Finn blows but let's not get it twisted. He blows in TFA too. We were just blinded to it.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on December 22, 2022, 01:17:13 AM
Ohhh, I can't wait until you get to TRoS
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2022, 01:59:52 AM
I'm watching TLJ and once again I LOVE every single thing with Luke and Rey and Kylo. It's all such a refreshing take on Star Wars but more than that a wonderful deconstruction of each character. But I know that the payoff is nothing and it all resets. It's a movie that says it's going to be brave that looks outside the cave for a few minutes but goes back and never steps one foot outside. It only teases your cock but never gives a happy ending.

I will say this though, it's more interesting to watch than TFA
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on December 22, 2022, 03:22:37 AM
TLJ is the strongest of the three sequel films for sure. Still not a great movie by any stretch of the imagination and treats established characters with utter disrespect (not just Luke etc). TRoS is a complete insult to intelligence in general, not just Star Wars.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2022, 03:42:36 AM
I finished TLJ and I still don't know how to feel. It's like on the cusp of a masterpiece. A lot of things that bothered me bothered me a lot less but I still question the entire Finn/Rose b plot and the entire segment on the salt planet. Watching ROTS tomorrow. Then rewatching Rogue One.

I still disagree the movie disrespects Luke in any way and felt the movie gives him a conclusive arc.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2022, 03:48:06 AM
Omfg I wanted to peep the first five minutes of ROTS and the opening crawl is so bad I'm fucking dying of laughter and I have Covid :dead :dead

The dead speak! The Galaxy has heard a mysterious broadcast, a threat of REVENGE in the sinister voice of the late EMPEROR PALPATINE

:sabu :sabu :sabu
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on December 22, 2022, 03:51:34 AM
It actually does get worse
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2022, 03:55:50 AM
:sabu

Oh my goodness this movie deserves my full attention. I cannot wait to dig in to this piece of shit tomorrow :dead
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Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 22, 2022, 07:09:29 AM
The best part about the rise of the skywalker is that the emperor reveal was made in fucking fortnite :girlaff

The film would have still sucked balls, but imagine of they did the reveal as a commercial a day or two before the film, that would have been pretty rad, even if it makes no sense for him to be back :elon
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Uncle on December 22, 2022, 07:37:17 AM
I still disagree the movie disrespects Luke in any way and felt the movie gives him a conclusive arc.

just like any examples of poor writing, there are in fact successful ways to write a fallen/washed up Luke storyline, but TLJ fumbled it horribly

he literally left his best friends and sister to die, no matter how much he now hates the concept of a Jedi he wouldn't do that

he'd show up committing to using nothing but his own strength or piloting, cutting himself off from the Force, because helping his sister is more important than anything else

he'd even do it by way of feeble apology for fucking up her son (not true, but in his eyes)

everyone else has to already be dead, partly due to his own failings, in order for him to have nothing left to live for

he even says shit like "the Jedi created Darth Vader" and Rey says "yeah but a Jedi redeemed him too" and either the premise is so wrongheaded to begin with, or the writing is too weak to have him come up with any retort

given his history he also wouldn't even think of attacking his own nephew, he'd sit down with him and say "hey dude I know something or someone is occupying your thoughts, can we work this out, I'll go with you to confront it whatever it is" etc etc

or even flip it around, have Kylo standing over Luke with an ignited lightsaber, and Luke's failing was to dismiss him from the Jedi school

:idont
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: HaughtyFrank on December 22, 2022, 07:43:55 AM
Omfg I wanted to peep the first five minutes of ROTS and the opening crawl is so bad I'm fucking dying of laughter and I have Covid :dead :dead

The dead speak! The Galaxy has heard a mysterious broadcast, a threat of REVENGE in the sinister voice of the late EMPEROR PALPATINE

:sabu :sabu :sabu

It's really amazing how a company can spend 275 million on a movie and then the director and co-writer hand in the most half-assed script possible
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 22, 2022, 11:44:09 AM
I hated TLJ at release so much I legit thought I'd never see Ep 9... But then the script leaks and reactions made TRoS a must-see if only to be apart of a good ol' non-political-based film bashing. We don't seem to have too many of those (Morbius being the most recent).

In hindsight there's things to appreciate in TLJ. Mostly the cinematography.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 22, 2022, 11:45:28 AM
Omfg I wanted to peep the first five minutes of ROTS and the opening crawl is so bad I'm fucking dying of laughter and I have Covid :dead :dead

The dead speak! The Galaxy has heard a mysterious broadcast, a threat of REVENGE in the sinister voice of the late EMPEROR PALPATINE

:sabu :sabu :sabu

It's really amazing how a company can spend 275 million on a movie and then the director and co-writer hand in the most half-assed script possible

To be fair there were earlier scripts. Kennedy just checked them in the trash.

Duel of the Fates is such a better movie on paper.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2022, 04:20:04 PM
I still disagree the movie disrespects Luke in any way and felt the movie gives him a conclusive arc.

just like any examples of poor writing, there are in fact successful ways to write a fallen/washed up Luke storyline, but TLJ fumbled it horribly

he literally left his best friends and sister to die, no matter how much he now hates the concept of a Jedi he wouldn't do that

he'd show up committing to using nothing but his own strength or piloting, cutting himself off from the Force, because helping his sister is more important than anything else

he'd even do it by way of feeble apology for fucking up her son (not true, but in his eyes)

everyone else has to already be dead, partly due to his own failings, in order for him to have nothing left to live for

he even says shit like "the Jedi created Darth Vader" and Rey says "yeah but a Jedi redeemed him too" and either the premise is so wrongheaded to begin with, or the writing is too weak to have him come up with any retort

given his history he also wouldn't even think of attacking his own nephew, he'd sit down with him and say "hey dude I know something or someone is occupying your thoughts, can we work this out, I'll go with you to confront it whatever it is" etc etc

or even flip it around, have Kylo standing over Luke with an ignited lightsaber, and Luke's failing was to dismiss him from the Jedi school

:idont

Here's the thing:

Rian Johnson did with what he could.

Your problem lays with JJ not him.

Who killed Han with Luke not there? JJ did. Not Rian. Who put Luke fucking Skywalker at the end of the galaxy with a hidden map to find him? JJ did. Therefore, Rian, in order to actually come up with an excuse Luke good enough to allow that to happen to fucking begin with, HAS been walked into a writing obstacle where he has validate Luke's decisions. TLJ is the result. What you cannot accept is that the premise, as given in TFA, was already shit and poisoned with nowhere to go but a few destinations. Rian took to the few places it could go for Luke's character naturally.

You say "how could he create a Luke that was fine with Han and Leia dying?" as if TFA, the movie where Luke was absolutely fine letting Han get killed by his own son, doesn't exist.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Uncle on December 22, 2022, 05:29:05 PM
I still disagree the movie disrespects Luke in any way and felt the movie gives him a conclusive arc.

just like any examples of poor writing, there are in fact successful ways to write a fallen/washed up Luke storyline, but TLJ fumbled it horribly

he literally left his best friends and sister to die, no matter how much he now hates the concept of a Jedi he wouldn't do that

he'd show up committing to using nothing but his own strength or piloting, cutting himself off from the Force, because helping his sister is more important than anything else

he'd even do it by way of feeble apology for fucking up her son (not true, but in his eyes)

everyone else has to already be dead, partly due to his own failings, in order for him to have nothing left to live for

he even says shit like "the Jedi created Darth Vader" and Rey says "yeah but a Jedi redeemed him too" and either the premise is so wrongheaded to begin with, or the writing is too weak to have him come up with any retort

given his history he also wouldn't even think of attacking his own nephew, he'd sit down with him and say "hey dude I know something or someone is occupying your thoughts, can we work this out, I'll go with you to confront it whatever it is" etc etc

or even flip it around, have Kylo standing over Luke with an ignited lightsaber, and Luke's failing was to dismiss him from the Jedi school

:idont

Here's the thing:

Rian Johnson did with what he could.

Your problem lays with JJ not him.

Who killed Han with Luke not there? JJ did. Not Rian. Who put Luke fucking Skywalker at the end of the galaxy with a hidden map to find him? JJ did. Therefore, Rian, in order to actually come up with an excuse Luke good enough to allow that to happen to fucking begin with, HAS been walked into a writing obstacle where he has validate Luke's decisions. TLJ is the result. What you cannot accept is that the premise, as given in TFA, was already shit and poisoned with nowhere to go but a few destinations. Rian took to the few places it could go for Luke's character naturally.

You say "how could he create a Luke that was fine with Han and Leia dying?" as if TFA, the movie where Luke was absolutely fine letting Han get killed by his own son, doesn't exist.

let me say to begin with, did you know that Luke didn't actually leave a hidden map to his location? TFA is horrible at communication. people just kind of vaguely know he went to a Jedi temple in a certain area but don't know where it is, and R2's map is actually data he downloaded from the Death Star all those years ago that contains information on the location of Jedi temples. (https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a828709/r2-d2-luke-skywalker-map-star-wars-the-force-awakens/) so for starters, forget the idea that there was a map "hidden" anywhere, he literally just went to a Jedi temple and they found old data that gave them a good guess as to where he went

regardless of that, there are approximately 5 million other possibilities for what you can do with the story where JJ left it

just off the top of my head:


here's the best one: at the end of TFA we have still never seen Snoke in the flesh and have no idea who he is. Rey meets Luke and they talk about the galactic situation, but Luke seems confident that Snoke is present on ach-to, Rey asks who Snoke is and we get an entire back story. Later, surprise, the twist of the second movie is that who we thought was Luke was Snoke in a Force disguise all along, and he knew so much about Snoke because he literally was him. Luke has been captured and tortured in the caverns below all along. Snoke tries to corrupt Rey too but fails and she saves Luke as Snoke escapes. Perfectly geared up for a triumphant team-up third movie

Luke doesn't have to be "fine" with Han's death, he just has to be stranded or otherwise out of commission

and also notice that in all of these situations, you can still do whatever you want with Ben, have a completely different story for why he split from Luke

and you can also do whatever you want with everyone else, they don't have to be on a long slow chase as the final remnants of any resistance, you don't even need to have Rose Tico at all if you want
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tuckers Law on December 22, 2022, 05:42:47 PM
It’s all really bad, and was doomed to failure the moment they failed to make Finn’s journey the core storyline with Ben’s the secondary storyline.  A former stormtrooper trying to become a Jedi and fight the good fight under the tutelage of your classic heroic trio, and a family trying to bring back a son gone down a bad path, that’s all that was needed.  We don’t need another sand rat of unknown beginnings becoming Space Jesus (but this time new and improved! Perfect from the start, has no flaws they need to overcome!), we don’t need another empire vs rebellion, we don’t need yet another Death Star, and we certainly don’t need another fucking emperor.

If someone now asks my thoughts about Star Wars (and Trek for that matter), I just tell them to check out Farscape instead, that way they avoid all the wretched garbage of modern Hollywood and still come out with a banger of a sci-fi story.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2022, 06:07:28 PM
You can pick on Rian Johnson all you want, but make a Luke that wants the Jedi gone is interesting, and he's right. To think there's no Light without Jedi is vanity. Everything he said was correct.

It was JJ and Disney that didn't give this a nice solid headstart and plan by not making Finn the main character and the story about a stormtrooper that redeems himself and a Jedi that falls to the dark - two opposite streams who find themselves where the other once stood. Instead we get a Mary Sue girl who is just good with the Force. The End.

Sequel Trilogy sucked from the get go.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Nintex on December 22, 2022, 06:08:09 PM
I think Rian Johnson was just overwhelmed with The Last Jedi and the opportunity to work with the likes of Mark Hamill and Disney in general.
The things that people mostly dislike about The Last Jedi don't match up with any of his previous work at all. I think that there was a lot of corporate meddling but Johnson doesn't want to burn any bridges.

When you look at Looper and Knives Out he added in some stuff like the family having a debate about politics but he didn't try to push any particular agenda or point of view. 
He emphasized some characteristics of the rich spoiled family to make sure you wanted all of them to lose (and they ultimately did).

He's also known to make movies that are quite fast paced. Knives Out isn't slow for a detective type film, it moves pretty quickly after the first 20 minutes or so, the same with Looper.

With The Last Jedi you could pretty much tell which things were added so Disney could check diversity checkboxes or make action figures.
I think that his overall direction of the film was quite interesting (far more interesting than what JJ attempted). The theme of Kylo and Rey both chasing and being haunted by 'ghosts from the past'.
The general idea of Luke being a hermit who has detached himself from the world is also not that different from how Yoda had isolated himself.

With that said, I think it would've been better if Johnson had made the Han Solo or Rogue One spin-off instead of the 2nd episode in a trilogy of films or the 8th in a 9 movie arc.
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Post by: Uncle on December 22, 2022, 06:30:38 PM
You can pick on Rian Johnson all you want, but make a Luke that wants the Jedi gone is interesting, and he's right. To think there's no Light without Jedi is vanity. Everything he said was correct.

Rian didn't even believe this

by the end of his own movie he's subverted everything everyone keeps trotting out as being so brilliant and inspiring, he didn't commit to any of it, and in fact puppeted out yoda to say why luke was wrong, and had luke refute the actual title of the movie

the movie should've ended with kylo reaching out to rey after asking for her support, which mirrors the ending of TFA with a similar reach
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2022, 06:35:20 PM
You can pick on Rian Johnson all you want, but make a Luke that wants the Jedi gone is interesting, and he's right. To think there's no Light without Jedi is vanity. Everything he said was correct.

Rian didn't even believe this

by the end of his own movie he's subverted everything everyone keeps trotting out as being so brilliant and inspiring, he didn't commit to any of it, and in fact puppeted out yoda to say why luke was wrong, and had luke refute the actual title of the movie

the movie should've ended with kylo reaching out to rey after asking for her support, which mirrors the ending of TFA with a similar reach

I agree about the lack of commitment and if you read my thoughts on the movie it's my biggest problem with it. I think he wanted to commit but Disney made him back out. Once Rose says "we fight for what we love" it gets all Disney on us.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on December 22, 2022, 06:50:43 PM
No matter what your thoughts, what is the most unbelievable in all of this is that somehow Disney entered into the development of a three movie sequel series to a 6 movie story arc WITHOUT an overarching plot and no control over what the directors were going to do with characters that had been solidly characterised for decades. This is in spite of owning the biggest movie franchise in history which has been successful BECAUSE it has had a long-term plot mapped out before they even began filming anything.

The whole thing is astounding.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Uncle on December 22, 2022, 07:01:31 PM
You can pick on Rian Johnson all you want, but make a Luke that wants the Jedi gone is interesting, and he's right. To think there's no Light without Jedi is vanity. Everything he said was correct.

Rian didn't even believe this

by the end of his own movie he's subverted everything everyone keeps trotting out as being so brilliant and inspiring, he didn't commit to any of it, and in fact puppeted out yoda to say why luke was wrong, and had luke refute the actual title of the movie

the movie should've ended with kylo reaching out to rey after asking for her support, which mirrors the ending of TFA with a similar reach

I agree about the lack of commitment and if you read my thoughts on the movie it's my biggest problem with it. I think he wanted to commit but Disney made him back out. Once Rose says "we fight for what we love" it gets all Disney on us.

doesn't seem right to say literally anything wrong with the film is everyone's fault but Rian's

oh it was Disney, oh it was JJ, or maybe the guy just made a shitty film
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on December 22, 2022, 07:24:33 PM
No matter what your thoughts, what is the most unbelievable in all of this is that somehow Disney entered into the development of a three movie sequel series to a 6 movie story arc WITHOUT an overarching plot and no control over what the directors were going to do with characters that had been solidly characterised for decades. This is in spite of owning the biggest movie franchise in history which has been successful BECAUSE it has had a long-term plot mapped out before they even began filming anything.

The whole thing is astounding.
You forgot the part where when they decided to dump the guy they had wrap up the trilogy they went back to the guy who they hired who hadn't bothered to do any of that stuff in the first place and has an aversion to wrapping up stories at all. :lol
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Himu on December 23, 2022, 03:23:56 AM
I hated TLJ at release so much I legit thought I'd never see Ep 9... But then the script leaks and reactions made TRoS a must-see if only to be apart of a good ol' non-political-based film bashing. We don't seem to have too many of those (Morbius being the most recent).

In hindsight there's things to appreciate in TLJ. Mostly the cinematography.

There's so much to appreciate in TLJ even if it doesn't entirely work. The visuals and everything are wonderful. The salt planet seems like a hoth retread but it works so well with the films theme. We are one wind blow away turning from white to red. I wanted more on Luke's Jedi planet. I loved everything with the Caretakers and the Porgs. That low key silhuouette shot with "The jedi must end." Whew! Film is an amazing looker.
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Post by: Himu on December 23, 2022, 03:51:36 AM
"we decoded the Intel from the First Order spy...and it confirms the worst. Somehow Palpatine returned."

:dead :dead :dead

Holy fucking shit these characters trying to force C3P0 TO TRANSLATE SITH WRITING HAS ME ALMOST THROWING MY HEAD AGAINST THE WALL HOLY FUCK LEAVE C3P0 ALONE. And then Rey the sole Jedi, isn't in 3p0's corner and is like,"any flirtation with the dark side, even a translation, is a transgression and road we can never walk. We will find another way." Holy shit I was expecting this movie to be hilarious but it's frustrating and insulting to any Star Wars fan.

Letting the bad guys haul in the Falcon?! At this point I'm readily rooting for Palp
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Himu on December 23, 2022, 04:55:47 AM
BB-8 finds a droid on the abandoned ship

Rey reaches out to touch it

Droid backs out

"No thank you "

"Someone harmed it. It's okay you can trust us."

AS THEY TRAVEL ON THE WAY TO A BLACK MARKET DROIDSMITH SO THEY CAN CIRCUMVENT C3P0'S CODING THAT DISALLOWS HIM TO TRANSLATE SITH LANGUAGE WHICH THEY DON'T RESPECT

:stop

Sjdbfbsjbebfkanw :snoop
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Tasty on December 23, 2022, 09:41:23 PM
I hated TLJ at release so much I legit thought I'd never see Ep 9... But then the script leaks and reactions made TRoS a must-see if only to be apart of a good ol' non-political-based film bashing. We don't seem to have too many of those (Morbius being the most recent).

In hindsight there's things to appreciate in TLJ. Mostly the cinematography.

There's so much to appreciate in TLJ even if it doesn't entirely work. The visuals and everything are wonderful. The salt planet seems like a hoth retread but it works so well with the films theme. We are one wind blow away turning from white to red. I wanted more on Luke's Jedi planet. I loved everything with the Caretakers and the Porgs. That low key silhuouette shot with "The jedi must end." Whew! Film is an amazing looker.

(https://i.imgur.com/54kNYbJ.jpg)

This shot. I can't pinpoint any other movie that inspired the feeling "I dreamt this as a kid" (right down to placement and color/lighting/etc.) as strongly as this one shot. A figment rendered flawlessly.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: benjipwns on December 23, 2022, 10:17:15 PM
The Last Jedi is quite beautiful, the JJ ones are more like STAR WARS HD TEXTURE PACK™ but Rogue One suggests this probably was not JJ's personal achievement and instead something LucasArts could easily do which makes some sense.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Himu on December 23, 2022, 10:19:25 PM
I hated TLJ at release so much I legit thought I'd never see Ep 9... But then the script leaks and reactions made TRoS a must-see if only to be apart of a good ol' non-political-based film bashing. We don't seem to have too many of those (Morbius being the most recent).

In hindsight there's things to appreciate in TLJ. Mostly the cinematography.

There's so much to appreciate in TLJ even if it doesn't entirely work. The visuals and everything are wonderful. The salt planet seems like a hoth retread but it works so well with the films theme. We are one wind blow away turning from white to red. I wanted more on Luke's Jedi planet. I loved everything with the Caretakers and the Porgs. That low key silhuouette shot with "The jedi must end." Whew! Film is an amazing looker.

(https://i.imgur.com/54kNYbJ.jpg)

This shot. I can't pinpoint any other movie that inspired the feeling "I dreamt this as a kid" (right down to placement and color/lighting/etc.) as strongly as this one shot. A figment rendered flawlessly.

Rise of the Skywalker isn't nearly as much a looker cinematically or thematically. It's pretty forgettable.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Himu on December 23, 2022, 10:29:04 PM
Mandalorian Ep 1

Most refreshing thing from Star Wars in generations. Holy shit. My old Star Wars fanboy heart is beating and I thought it was gone.
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Post by: Potato on December 23, 2022, 11:05:28 PM
Mandalorian Ep 1

Most refreshing thing from Star Wars in generations. Holy shit. My old Star Wars fanboy heart is beating and I thought it was gone.
Wait until you get to Andor. Not only a fantastic Star Wars show, but a fantastic show. Period.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Himu on December 24, 2022, 03:39:01 AM
I hated TLJ at release so much I legit thought I'd never see Ep 9... But then the script leaks and reactions made TRoS a must-see if only to be apart of a good ol' non-political-based film bashing. We don't seem to have too many of those (Morbius being the most recent).

In hindsight there's things to appreciate in TLJ. Mostly the cinematography.

There's so much to appreciate in TLJ even if it doesn't entirely work. The visuals and everything are wonderful. The salt planet seems like a hoth retread but it works so well with the films theme. We are one wind blow away turning from white to red. I wanted more on Luke's Jedi planet. I loved everything with the Caretakers and the Porgs. That low key silhuouette shot with "The jedi must end." Whew! Film is an amazing looker.

(https://i.imgur.com/54kNYbJ.jpg)

This shot. I can't pinpoint any other movie that inspired the feeling "I dreamt this as a kid" (right down to placement and color/lighting/etc.) as strongly as this one shot. A figment rendered flawlessly.

The thing about this shot is usually when you make a hero against the odds shot, you do so to make the hero look small and the villains and their might look big to create size differential. In this shot it's the opposite: Luke is taller than the First Order's might. It's incredible case of breaking the rules to articulate and sell narrative. Nothing is empty in this shot, everything is placed perfectly to make a well balanced composition. It's truly perfect.
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Post by: Himu on December 25, 2022, 02:17:03 AM
The Mandalorian season 1

Completed! Goooooooooooooooood shit! Excellent use of old style episodic television combined with serialization. Great combination of westerns, Lone Wolf and Cub, and the most fascinating portrayal of post Jedi Star Wars put to screen. The best thing to happen to Star Wars in arguably generations.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Potato on December 25, 2022, 05:16:08 AM
Andor. Do it. Don't bother with anything else.
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Post by: Himu on December 25, 2022, 10:22:45 AM
Finishing Mando s2 first.
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on December 26, 2022, 03:35:09 PM
Finishing Mando s2 first.

a.k.a Pilot Season for Upcoming Shows On Disney +
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Post by: Himu on December 26, 2022, 09:45:45 PM
Okay. Baby Yoda eating frogs, okay. But eating the frog lady's frog babies was too much for me especially after her extinction speech. JFC it's not funny.
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Post by: Himu on December 26, 2022, 11:52:23 PM
Rogue One

Much better than I remember. I was wrong about it. The best Star Wars film of the new era easily. Haven't seen Solo though.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 27, 2022, 12:54:31 AM
Rogue One's good because it actually started from a premise and was entirely self-contained. It's extra funny because Disney took it away, reshot it and edited the fuck out of it but they still couldn't ruin it because the core idea was too good. My favorite part is when they dropped all those shots in the first trailer that hyped everyone from the movie.

I still liked it enough to where I don't even want to complain about the Vader wank that ends it because it was the one of the few times Vader actually acted like his reputation and did so just because he was really annoyed. :lol

Obligatory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B0fc4BPlyQ
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Post by: Nintex on December 27, 2022, 05:28:34 AM
Rogue One

Much better than I remember. I was wrong about it. The best Star Wars film of the new era easily. Haven't seen Solo though.
Solo is decent but a very generic heist film. you could replace the cast with the Fast & Furious gang or Guardians of the Galaxy and it wouldn't make a difference.
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Post by: Tasty on December 27, 2022, 10:51:16 AM
Rogue One's good because it actually started from a premise and was entirely self-contained. It's extra funny because Disney took it away, reshot it and edited the fuck out of it but they still couldn't ruin it because the core idea was too good. My favorite part is when they dropped all those shots in the first trailer that hyped everyone from the movie.

I still liked it enough to where I don't even want to complain about the Vader wank that ends it because it was the one of the few times Vader actually acted like his reputation and did so just because he was really annoyed. :lol

Obligatory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B0fc4BPlyQ

To be fair, the director's admitted they shot a lot of those just for the trailer. Including the ending shot of Jeyn being lit up.

https://gizmodo.com/why-the-rogue-one-trailers-most-iconic-shot-never-appea-1790910745
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Post by: Himu on December 27, 2022, 01:00:29 PM
Andor EP 1

Refreshing just like Rogue One!
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Post by: benjipwns on December 27, 2022, 06:53:33 PM
To be fair, the director's admitted they shot a lot of those just for the trailer. Including the ending shot of Jeyn being lit up.

https://gizmodo.com/why-the-rogue-one-trailers-most-iconic-shot-never-appea-1790910745
Well, that's even dumber.
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Post by: Potato on December 27, 2022, 07:02:58 PM
The worst thing about Rogue One is that it's a heist movie without much of a heist. Too much action, not enough espionage.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 27, 2022, 07:09:08 PM
It's one of those heists where somebody tells them everything about it first and they really just run into problems along the way rather than it being very elaborate. I think the characters could have been better too, they aren't exactly rogues, everybody has more noble reasons than even Han Solo who's a fake rogue. They didn't even bother with setting up some kind of mercenary who decides to not betray the team in the moment because that's just how bad the Death Star is. :lol
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Post by: Uncle on December 27, 2022, 08:18:49 PM
I still question the decision of showing one of the main heroes shoot his buddy in the back right from the outset

it didn't feel like that was the kind of character he played for the entire rest of the movie, and there are so many other possible creative decisions that would've established him as a rogue without making him a murderous dick

jyn was also unlikeable from the outset, I found it hard to get invested in much of the group
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Post by: Himu on December 27, 2022, 09:21:53 PM
I liked Jyn. Cassian is the person that needed selling but they did a good job showing that he's done bad things for the Rebellion and this time he wanted to do something that counted for something. The group of characters was the weakest link in the film and continues to be. It would have been better if there were no "main character" as we had flashbacks of each character and why they were doing this. After all, if it's an ensemble film and it's about the group the group should all have equal weight. The focus on Jyn, as much as I like her, muddles the story. It's like Oceans 11 if it focused way too much on George Clooney's character. What makes a successful heist story work is learning about the ensemble so we can learn their strengths, their weaknesses. As it is, we have a Donnie Yen obsessed with the Force with no clarified reasoning as to his relationship with it besides a single line about the crystal farm. The movie tells but doesn't show nearly as much. This is where it falls to convince.

It's a really good movie. Has flaws but perfect is the enemy of the good, especially in an era with Rise of the Skywalker.
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Post by: Himu on December 27, 2022, 10:54:00 PM
Andor is even better than Mandalorian season 1. Holy fuck, Star Wars is having a creative resurgence. I never thought I'd ever see the day. I remember seeing the Rogue One and Last Jedi and just completely killing my Star Wars fandom because I realized,"Star Wars will never be anything other than Jedi and the Force. It's a limiting, inferior, piece meal franchise made to sell toys. Its better days stopped after 1983. There's only one franchise with Star in it that has merit and it doesn't end in Wars." And here we are, with something as good as Andor. Not a Jedi or Sith in sight, just people, and the boots of fascism in their muddy, bloody tracks.

Andor and Mandalorian remind me of stuff we got before the nerd culture boom, before it was all dad jokes and consumerist dribble, where the stories are made to make the audience think as much as entertain them. I have no idea what is going on at Lucasfilm but I am loving their new direction in a post-Skywalker world. George's legacy may truly become what it always had the potential to be.
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Post by: Potato on December 28, 2022, 01:50:14 AM
Told you
Title: Re: It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!
Post by: Himu on December 29, 2022, 01:26:34 PM
It has been forever since I've seen something where I had no idea what was going to happen next.
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Post by: Himu on December 30, 2022, 11:23:18 PM
Finished Andor s1 and I was so disappointed there wasn't a s2 available immediately after. Damn, I'm hooked. By the end of it I was so jealous of the writers. I can write but can I write like that? And by that I mean, make me care about a bunch of no name characters within a few minutes. Over and over, time after time, this show manages to take characters that are seemingly strangers and make real and fleshed out within just a few scenes. I have to rewatch tit again while taking notes to learn how this show writes characters because holy shit it had me actually pausing and asking,"how are they able to do this over and over?" By the end of the season there's so many characters we care about, even the antagonists who are seemingly evil, as they all meet in one giant ensemble as if a painting. Like, we barely know the kid who made the pipebomb but we feel for him and doesn't say shit, maybe a couple of lines at most throughout the entire season. "How did these writers pull this off?" I haven't seen a show or movie make me think like that which is modern and contemporary in a VERY long time. I am beyond impressed. "How do I write like that?" is the highest compliment I can give something.

Mando s2 is pretty boring so far. It's also too serialized. It's like they don't understand what made s1 so good.
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Post by: Potato on December 31, 2022, 12:12:34 AM
I think it's a combination of great writing, acting and directing that comes together for Andor. There's plenty of well written shows that fall flat because they don't have one of those essential elements.
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Post by: Himu on December 31, 2022, 01:23:33 AM
I really hope they don't adapt to the dumb people that call Andor "slow" and "boring" because it doesn't have Jedi or Sith or the Force and start to pander to them.
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Post by: benjipwns on December 31, 2022, 01:48:20 AM
The Disney+ exec producers have been given pretty decent amounts of power over these. Filoni and Favreau have particularly been elevated quite a bit by Disney.
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Post by: Himu on January 06, 2023, 11:23:50 PM
Mandalorian s2 is utterly horrific.

It's like a video game. Mando asks for help, someone says,"sure thing....if you help us first" almost every damn episode. It's like an open world video game with sidequests and it's the most tedious shit ever how they're trying to serialize something that was so episodic and benefited from that story format.

It makes me worry they'll fuck up Andor s2.
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Post by: Himu on January 08, 2023, 01:21:31 AM
Watched Phantom Menace for the first time since 1999 and....I liked it?

I actually think it's better than the sequel trilogy.
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Post by: Potato on January 08, 2023, 01:24:10 AM
Because, outside of Jar Jar, it's actually got some good characters. Prequels shit the bed from Attack of the Clones.
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Post by: Himu on January 08, 2023, 01:29:49 AM
It actually wasn't as bad as the Plinkett review made it out to be. I  have actual bad memories tied to this movie (friend died the week after it came out and it was the last movie we saw together) so I've only seen it once before this.

Honestly even Jar Jar isn't bad. He acts as a good foil to the Jedi. Without the droids there's no comedy relief. TPM has less droids overall so he acts as a replacement. It works for what it is imo.
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Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on January 08, 2023, 11:54:09 AM
Mandalorian s2 is utterly horrific.

It's like a video game. Mando asks for help, someone says,"sure thing....if you help us first" almost every damn episode. It's like an open world video game with sidequests and it's the most tedious shit ever how they're trying to serialize something that was so episodic and benefited from that story format.

It makes me worry they'll fuck up Andor s2.

The videogameness complete quest and move on of Mando isn't the reason S2 feels like a big dip in quality, its the fact that every quest feels like a promo for DLC (or to abandon the videogames metaphor, it feels a suspiciously awfully lot like a string of stealth pilot episodes for a new streaming service that needs a lot of Content quickly and isn't sure what to greenlight).

Ep 1: Why hello TIMOTHY OLYPHANT, you seem like a Character with an Engaging Backstory that would make a fine TV show about Frontier Justice as a sheriff, other commitments permitting!
Ep 3: Why hello KATEE SACKHOFF, you seem like a Character with an Engaging Backstory that would make a fine TV show about a renegade group of Mandalorians fighting different kinds of battles, and those BSG star bookings are drying up!
Ep 4: Hello again GINA CARRANO, you seem like a Character with an Engaging Backstory that would make a fine TV show about ongoing efforts to clean up the Empire, just don't say anything about The Jews or The Gays on Twitter!
Ep 5: Why hello ROSARIO DAWSON, you seem like a Character with an Engaging Backstory that would make a fine TV show about contemporary Jedi, and, oh, your series is already greenlit. Cool!
Ep6: Why hello BOBA FETT, anyone already watching this knows who you are, but none of the questions we have are answered. Also, you seem weirdly fatter and older than we remember, and curiously adverse to wearing your fucking helmet as per your Actors Guild Contract Negotitations for the series you also have already greenlit. Mysterious! In a way that your character no longer is.

Like... I'm an averageish Star Wars fan, in that I've seen the films but haven't imbibed any of the extended universe shit outside of a couple of games, and most of these castings are for characters that are already fan favorites in the extended universe AFAIK, but it really seems like they hijacked the fucking main characters show to pitch a load of possible new shows.
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Post by: Tasty on January 08, 2023, 12:36:15 PM
It actually wasn't as bad as the Plinkett review made it out to be. I  have actual bad memories tied to this movie (friend died the week after it came out and it was the last movie we saw together) so I've only seen it once before this.

Honestly even Jar Jar isn't bad. He acts as a good foil to the Jedi. Without the droids there's no comedy relief. TPM has less droids overall so he acts as a replacement. It works for what it is imo.

Mostly it just fails at a lot of basic filmmaking techniques that you think George Lucas would have picked up or retained by then. The entire thing felt more like a tech demo than anything, and the choice to set it when Anakin was only 10 bizarre as well. They do a time skip for the next movie and so basically almost nothing in the first one really matters.

The sequel trilogy is just rehashed nostalgia bate, taken to 11 with the last one.
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Post by: Himu on January 08, 2023, 01:02:55 PM
Mandalorian s2 is utterly horrific.

It's like a video game. Mando asks for help, someone says,"sure thing....if you help us first" almost every damn episode. It's like an open world video game with sidequests and it's the most tedious shit ever how they're trying to serialize something that was so episodic and benefited from that story format.

It makes me worry they'll fuck up Andor s2.

The videogameness complete quest and move on of Mando isn't the reason S2 feels like a big dip in quality, its the fact that every quest feels like a promo for DLC (or to abandon the videogames metaphor, it feels a suspiciously awfully lot like a string of stealth pilot episodes for a new streaming service that needs a lot of Content quickly and isn't sure what to greenlight).

Ep 1: Why hello TIMOTHY OLYPHANT, you seem like a Character with an Engaging Backstory that would make a fine TV show about Frontier Justice as a sheriff, other commitments permitting!
Ep 3: Why hello KATEE SACKHOFF, you seem like a Character with an Engaging Backstory that would make a fine TV show about a renegade group of Mandalorians fighting different kinds of battles, and those BSG star bookings are drying up!
Ep 4: Hello again GINA CARRANO, you seem like a Character with an Engaging Backstory that would make a fine TV show about ongoing efforts to clean up the Empire, just don't say anything about The Jews or The Gays on Twitter!
Ep 5: Why hello ROSARIO DAWSON, you seem like a Character with an Engaging Backstory that would make a fine TV show about contemporary Jedi, and, oh, your series is already greenlit. Cool!
Ep6: Why hello BOBA FETT, anyone already watching this knows who you are, but none of the questions we have are answered. Also, you seem weirdly fatter and older than we remember, and curiously adverse to wearing your fucking helmet as per your Actors Guild Contract Negotitations for the series you also have already greenlit. Mysterious! In a way that your character no longer is.

Like... I'm an averageish Star Wars fan, in that I've seen the films but haven't imbibed any of the extended universe shit outside of a couple of games, and most of these castings are for characters that are already fan favorites in the extended universe AFAIK, but it really seems like they hijacked the fucking main characters show to pitch a load of possible new shows.

I have no idea what those other shows are about. I've paid so little attention to Star Wars I don't even know what shows these could be pilots for.
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Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on January 08, 2023, 01:19:28 PM
I have no idea what those other shows are about. I've paid so little attention to Star Wars I don't even know what shows these could be pilots for.

Those other shows would have been / will be / are taking that episode as a pilot episode, then more of the same, but with those newly introduced characters as the stars and mando maybe guest starring the ocasional episode down the line.

Its why they get called stealth pilots - the networks not sure if theres an audience for that show, so they effectively do a pilot for a new show as a one off episode in an existing show, to see if the interest is there but without committing to actually filming a pilot.

Normally you don't get an entire season of episodes that are blatant stealth pilots though :stahp
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Post by: Himu on January 08, 2023, 01:52:40 PM
It actually wasn't as bad as the Plinkett review made it out to be. I  have actual bad memories tied to this movie (friend died the week after it came out and it was the last movie we saw together) so I've only seen it once before this.

Honestly even Jar Jar isn't bad. He acts as a good foil to the Jedi. Without the droids there's no comedy relief. TPM has less droids overall so he acts as a replacement. It works for what it is imo.

Mostly it just fails at a lot of basic filmmaking techniques that you think George Lucas would have picked up or retained by then. The entire thing felt more like a tech demo than anything, and the choice to set it when Anakin was only 10 bizarre as well. They do a time skip for the next movie and so basically almost nothing in the first one really matters.

The sequel trilogy is just rehashed nostalgia bate, taken to 11 with the last one.

Why is setting it when Anakin was 10 bizarre? What filmmaking techniques are missing?

Honestly, looking back, most of Plinkett's criticisms are kind of horse shit. Start with his complaint there's no one main character. Qui Gon Jin is obviously the main character and he's pretty good at being one, as he's the moral center of the film. His interactions with every single character is good. The Queen is pretty good too and shows humility and character in the face of what you would picture to be a stoic queen, and yet she's the opposite. Anakin has some really good moments. The claim he has no idea what's at stake is false. The problem was turning his run in the star ship into a "I have no idea what I'm doing!" in the space craft after the podrace was questionable, however. It's a pretty good movie with pacing issues but it's better than most big budget movies of the past ten years. The relationship between Padme and Anakin's innocent beginnings, the Master/Apprentice parallel, Palpatine's rise, the world building on Tatooine, everything involving the Jedi Council are all pretty good. It's pretty good movie if you want more Star Wars. Nothing more, nothing less.

In fact I'd argue it's better than A New Hope, which has its issues, or at least on par. Qui Gon jin is a great main character and I vastly prefer Padme to Leia in ANH. ANH is mostly saved by the vastly superior Empire and Jedi.
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Post by: MMaRsu on January 08, 2023, 03:55:23 PM
 :lol
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Post by: Uncle on January 08, 2023, 05:23:30 PM
imagine the phantom menace with anakin at age 16 and already world-weary from a life of slavery and the whole series improves dramatically

- makes sense that he had time to learn to build a droid

- makes sense that he had time to become an expert pilot

- more time to develop a stronger attachment to his mother, which is significant in his downfall later

- less creepy having attraction between him and padme ("are you an angel" could even still be in, but as a terrible pick up line)

- makes more sense that the jedi would reject him for already being too old for training

- doesn't completely deflate vader by showing us when he was a cute silly child

- word is that lucas was even already looking at teen actors for the part until he made that dumb decision


seriously just mentally cast a slightly older actor and imagine the movie, it's awesome
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Post by: Himu on January 08, 2023, 07:32:23 PM
I agree. It would have seriously elevated the movie.
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Post by: Himu on January 08, 2023, 08:51:02 PM
Watched Attack of the Clones and it's better and more cogent than any of the sequel movies. I said what I said.  I liked it.
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Post by: Potato on January 08, 2023, 10:07:34 PM
Watched Attack of the Clones and it's better and more cogent than any of the sequel movies. I said what I said.  I liked it.
You can't complain about Mandalorian S2 having video game fetch quests without referencing the literal 2D side-scrolling video game stage smack bang in the middle of AotC.
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Post by: Himu on January 08, 2023, 10:33:07 PM
Watched Attack of the Clones and it's better and more cogent than any of the sequel movies. I said what I said.  I liked it.
You can't complain about Mandalorian S2 having video game fetch quests without referencing the literal 2D side-scrolling video game stage smack bang in the middle of AotC.

I sure can complain. Mando s2 is a multi episode tv show. Episode II is a complete movie with a mostly cogent core. No nonsensical Canto Blght quests like TLJ either and unlike the sequel trilogy the characters fall naturally in their place.
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Post by: Potato on January 08, 2023, 10:34:31 PM
Watched Attack of the Clones and it's better and more cogent than any of the sequel movies. I said what I said.  I liked it.
You can't complain about Mandalorian S2 having video game fetch quests without referencing the literal 2D side-scrolling video game stage smack bang in the middle of AotC.

I sure can complain. Mando s2 is a multi episode tv show. Episode II is a complete movie with a mostly cogent core. No nonsensical Canto Blght quests like TLJ either and unlike the sequel trilogy the characters fall naturally in their place.
Terrible movie though.
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Post by: Himu on January 08, 2023, 10:36:24 PM
Terrible is stretching it I think. It's flawed but enjoyable and more cogent than any of the sequel movies. Finn and Poe are barely characters. Obi Wan, Anakin, Padme as a trio run laps on Rey, Finn, and Poe. Obi Wan's detective story contrasted with Anakin falling to the dark side and killing Tuskan's is good, entertaining shit.

Main criticism is how lazy the filmmaking is. Two camera set up very scene.

Note that because I don't think it's terrible doesn't mean I think it's great or even good. It's just fair, average, and enjoyable.
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Post by: Himu on January 09, 2023, 02:43:53 PM
Watched Revenge of the Sith.

I hadn't seen any of these movies beyond the theatres and honestly it was pretty good experience and I really liked watching them. Revenge of the Sith is one of the best movies in the franchise. Sequel trilogy is leaps and bounds worse than the prequels and it's not even close.

Have to finish Mando s2 which sucks, then I'll start Clone Wars - something I've never seen. Glad to love SW again. I've been itching to replay KOTOR.
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Post by: Nintex on April 05, 2023, 04:58:01 PM
https://twitter.com/RynoRaging/status/1643539877617893376 (https://twitter.com/RynoRaging/status/1643539877617893376)

https://twitter.com/RynoRaging/status/1643607542772146180 (https://twitter.com/RynoRaging/status/1643607542772146180)

Lmao
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Post by: Pissy F Benny on April 05, 2023, 06:18:56 PM
I knocked it on the head after the first two terribly dull episodes, glad to see and hear it's only gotten worse.

It's amazing how they've seemingly tanked something that had an easy formula for success.
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Post by: Potato on April 05, 2023, 07:52:26 PM
I, for one, am excited to see how far down Disney can take Star Wars before someone has the sense to fire everyone responsible for killing the golden goose.
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Post by: NekoFever on April 06, 2023, 06:08:39 AM
It's baffling how bad it's been. Especially considering, for all their flaws, Disney's shepherding of the Marvel movies has been pretty good. They all fit together and clearly have a goal in mind.

It's got to be a lack of planning. They started the sequel trilogy with no clue how it was going to go and ended up with three average at best films that barely fit together. Both the spin-off films were radically reworked in production. Mando was a breath of fresh air at first but seasons 2 and 3 (and BOBF) have been aimless crap. Andor was admittedly great but so was the first season of The Mandalorian so IDK.

Think back to when Disney bought Lucasfilm and announced a sequel trilogy and spin-off films between numbered instalments, and I couldn't see how they could fail.
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Post by: Pissy F Benny on April 06, 2023, 06:03:36 PM
I still enjoyed Mando szn 2 for what it was and didn't hate Bob a Fett (after it turned into the Mandolorian series 2.5 anyway).
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Post by: Uncle on April 06, 2023, 06:21:02 PM
it's weird because I feel like the types of stories I see in the above clips are fine and a decent way to expand the star wars universe beyond force users and lightsabers and evil empire

as noticed by richard evans long ago now, star wars is very small, and there are ways to expand it, hell george lucas did a decent job making the universe bigger in the prequels, one of the few things they did right

I'm ok with two different alien species falling in love and a conflict arising due to that

but the problem with the above clips is it's written so shittily and shot like an SNL skit and overall just embarrassing to look at

is star wars doomed to be cringey when it expands, but boring when it sticks to already-covered ground?

I guess what was shown above would be fine if they were episodes of the cartoon show instead, make it explicit that it's for kids
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Post by: Nintex on April 06, 2023, 07:03:59 PM
I think the Star Wars magic has simply run out. It's just no longer unique in a variety of super hero, sci-fi and cinematic universes.

All they can do is make contentTM in the same family friendly milquetoast Disney style with a different coat of paint.
With the Mandalorian they had an interesting angle but they milked that dry already.

There's just nothing at this stage that sets is apart, no innovative filming, practical effects or storytelling techniques like the original Star Wars trilogy, no groundbreaking CG animation like they had in the prequels.
Star Wars pre-Disney was always about pushing new things. 
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Post by: Pissy F Benny on April 06, 2023, 07:15:52 PM
George Lucas is only 78, throw all the money at him again for a new trilogy before it's too late :trumps
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Post by: Nintex on April 06, 2023, 07:16:47 PM
Things that other films brought to the table that could've been Star Wars innovations:
- '2 perspectives' from The Last Duel (a movie showing the events from the perspective of both a Sith(Kylo Ren) and Jedi(Rey) leaving the audience to decide if they side with the dark side or the Jedi)
- a 'single take' like 1917 (we follow a hero character throughout a massive battle that seamlessly translates between the planet surface and space dogfights in the 'single take' format)
- Choose your own adventure like Black Mirror: Bandersnatch (during the film you can decide how the story plays out by making 'Mass Effect' like morality choices (will you end up as a Renegade Sith or as a Paragon Jedi?)
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Post by: Uncle on April 06, 2023, 07:34:00 PM
"if Rey should join Kylo, please proceed to theater #4 down the hall to your right where your Choose-A-Film™ will resume shortly"
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Post by: Potato on April 06, 2023, 10:19:54 PM
Mandalorian just needed to be a space western with monster of the week episodes interspersed between an overarching story arc focusing on Mando bringing down the big bad Moff Gideon who is trying to regather and revive the remnants of the Empire in the outer run, far from the New Republic's influence.

They could still have the Mandalore stuff, but just make it a character focused western/samurai gunslinger style show.

Pulp shit like it was supposed to be.
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Post by: Pissy F Benny on April 07, 2023, 04:59:20 AM
Pretty much. hasnt the Mando been cucked by Dana Walsh from 24 now anyway, might as well out a bullet in it if it's gone down the on the nose woke hack path.
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Post by: Potato on April 07, 2023, 02:02:09 PM
Fucking LOL

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2023/apr/07/star-wars-three-new-films-lucasfilm-daisy-ridley-rey (https://www.theguardian.com/film/2023/apr/07/star-wars-three-new-films-lucasfilm-daisy-ridley-rey)

Quote
Star Wars announces three new films on the way, with Daisy Ridley to return as Rey

Lucasfilm has announced three new live-action films, and confirmed the return of Ridley’s Rey to build ‘a new Jedi Order’


They learned nothing...
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Post by: NekoFever on April 07, 2023, 02:34:04 PM
Somehow Rey returned
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Post by: Nintex on April 07, 2023, 02:38:44 PM
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The two new films will be overseen by the James Mangold, the director of Logan, and Dave Filoni, the co-creator of The Mandalorian TV series and director of the 2008 computer animated feature Star Wars: The Clone Wars. Kennedy said that Mangold’s movie will “tell the tale of the first Jedi to wield the Force and harness it as a liberating power in an era of chaos and oppression”, while Filoni’s film is about “the escalating war between the Imperial Remnant and the fledgling New Republic” and will “close out the interconnected stories told in The Mandalorian, The Book of Boba Fett, Ahsoka, and other Disney+ series”.
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The third film to be announced, a project to be directed by Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy, has been known about for some time, but appears to have been dogged by changes of direction and staff departures. Obaid-Chinoy’s film will take place 15 years after The Rise of Skywalker and feature Daisy Ridley returning in the role of Rey; it will “tell the story of rebuilding the New Jedi Order and the powers that rise to tear it down”. Lucasfilm recently announced that Peaky Blinders’ Steven Knight had replaced Damon Lindelof and Justin Britt-Gibson as writers on that film.
:wut

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtHUchUaQAINhvd?format=jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtHdcdIWAAIjTik?format=jpg)
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Post by: Pissy F Benny on April 07, 2023, 05:37:20 PM
I bet 2 of those end up getting shit canned. I'm guessing the origins,one males it due to a lack of baggage, the Mando crossover thing will probably about end up being retooled as a Disney plus thing, and lolwho wants to see a Rey film she fucking sux and no one who isn't a hard Disney dickrider thinks otherwise.
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Post by: Potato on April 15, 2023, 03:32:24 AM
Catching up on last two mandalorians episodes and holy shit that e6 intro!!!

LMFAO!


Edit: OMFG, it does get worse. It's Reeeeesetera paradise with Jack Black


Edit edit: Jesus fuck that was bad
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Post by: chronovore on May 25, 2023, 01:23:57 AM
http://twitter.com/sequelmemes/status/1659766378641981442
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Post by: Raist on May 25, 2023, 02:27:45 AM
Look, Vader was his dad. Discount Vader was the son of the dude who stole his girlfriend.
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Post by: Sideshow Raheem on August 24, 2023, 01:58:21 AM
Ahsoka Star Wars the Star War is out and boy! is Sabine Wren wacky!

She doesn't go to the speech like she's 'sposed to! She just rides her speeder bike and almost kills herself and a pilot who tries to stop her.

And she's not 'sposed to take the mcguffin off the ship! But there she goes, taking it off the ship.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Survives stab wound because of course lightsabers aren't lethal.
[close]

First two episodes should be titled Ahsoka's Pal Sabine Doesn't Listen.
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Post by: Nintex on September 09, 2023, 01:33:20 PM
https://twitter.com/autisticboobs/status/1700084018027397162 (https://twitter.com/autisticboobs/status/1700084018027397162)