THE BORE

General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Stoney Mason on August 28, 2015, 07:43:48 PM

Title: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 28, 2015, 07:43:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO-9b5bjsmY
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 28, 2015, 07:50:13 PM
Lawbreakers is the first videogame in years to actually have something to say.

(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18zmoyztm8yh6gif/ku-xlarge.gif)
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 28, 2015, 08:14:33 PM
So, I guess the market is going to be flooded with arena shooters next year with this game, Blizzard's Overwatch, Gearbox's Battleborn, and Bethesda's Battlecry, huh? At least three of them are "free-to-play." I'm trying to care, but just can't really muster any enthusiasm for any of them.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: mormapope on August 28, 2015, 08:17:54 PM
So, I guess the market is going to be flooded with arena shooters next year with this game, Blizzard's Overwatch, Gearbox's Battleborn, and Bethesda's Battlecry, huh? At least three of them are "free-to-play." I'm trying to care, but just can't really muster any enthusiasm for any of them.

Unreal Tournament is also in the works, think its free to play, don't know if its coming out anytime soon though.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: Rufus on August 28, 2015, 08:18:26 PM
Dirty Bomb is scratching my shooter itch just fine, but who knows, Overwatch, etc. might be a fun romp.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: thisismyusername on August 28, 2015, 08:31:34 PM
So, I guess the market is going to be flooded with arena shooters next year with this game, Blizzard's Overwatch, Gearbox's Battleborn, and Bethesda's Battlecry, huh? At least three of them are "free-to-play." I'm trying to care, but just can't really muster any enthusiasm for any of them.

Unreal Tournament is also in the works, think its free to play, don't know if its coming out anytime soon though.

Correct. Unreal Tournament 4 is Free to Play and supposed to be shooting for next year.

Either way, it is the only one besides Overwatch that I'm honestly looking at. Cliffy hasn't done anything since Jazz Jackrabbit that resonated with me.

(And yes, I know the contradiction with caring about UT. But that's only because of the UT v Q3 war days)
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: mormapope on August 28, 2015, 08:54:10 PM
In hindsight, Gears of War multiplayer in 1&3 and horde mode/all the extra co-op modes are excellent. Gears single player across the board though hasn't aged well at all, every enemy is a bullet sponge unless you use a shotty or power weapons that are trickled throughout single player.

I expect Lawbreakers will have a okay/good launch and then the playerbase will dwindle pretty quickly.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 28, 2015, 10:47:42 PM
So, I guess the market is going to be flooded with arena shooters next year with this game, Blizzard's Overwatch, Gearbox's Battleborn, and Bethesda's Battlecry, huh? At least three of them are "free-to-play." I'm trying to care, but just can't really muster any enthusiasm for any of them.

Yeah, I made a thread on this subject on the bore maybe 6 months ago. At least most of the above games are adding different elements to the traditional formula. They all kind of look cool to me in various ways but yeah its unlikely for all of them to find an audience. Overwatch because of the Blizzard name I have a feeling is going to be the most popular one by far.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: toku on August 28, 2015, 10:51:56 PM
I'm excited for Overwatch. I'll try Battlecry. Fuck Gearbox though so Battleborn can go kick rocks.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 29, 2015, 12:11:51 AM
all these objective based fpses...can't we just get a Wolfenstein ET remake

:tocry
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 29, 2015, 12:56:49 AM
all these objective based fpses...can't we just get a Wolfenstein ET remake

:tocry

Just hold on a little longer, Doom is almost here.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: Take My Breh Away on August 29, 2015, 08:01:40 AM
So, I guess the market is going to be flooded with arena shooters next year with this game, Blizzard's Overwatch, Gearbox's Battleborn, and Bethesda's Battlecry, huh? At least three of them are "free-to-play." I'm trying to care, but just can't really muster any enthusiasm for any of them.

Yeah, I made a thread on this subject on the bore maybe 6 months ago. At least most of the above games are adding different elements to the traditional formula. They all kind of look cool to me in various ways but yeah its unlikely for all of them to find an audience. Overwatch because of the Blizzard name I have a feeling is going to be the most popular one by far.

It sounds like companies hit on the idea of having individually defined characters with different skill sets from MOBA's and fusing them with genres like FPS at the same time instead of just customisable character classes. Battleborn is a straight up is a FPS MOBA for one. Not that it's a bad thing considering your average military/Sci-Fi FPS shootbang is starting to to wear out it's welcome but the industry tends to do this thing of seeing everyone jumping on popular games and then suddenly more "influenced" games start to pour out.

Also it gives them the F2P option immediately off the bat. Which is probably more important to them.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: thisismyusername on August 29, 2015, 11:09:46 AM
all these objective based fpses...can't we just get a Wolfenstein ET remake

:tocry

Isn't that what Dirty Bomb was attempting, but did poorly?
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: benjipwns on August 29, 2015, 02:55:31 PM
Funny thing is everyone seems to forget there already was a FPS/TPS MOBA that was semi-popular for a bit. Monday Night Combat.

I never played SuperMNC to see what was different.

Unreal Tournament is also in the works, think its free to play, don't know if its coming out anytime soon though.
I wouldn't lump UT in with the rest, it's a straight HIGH DEFINITION remake of 99/04. You can play it right now, they have tons of all the old maps/weapons already in with no real textures for the maps yet. The differences are minuscule with how it plays. It's like CS->CS:S->CS:GO, you can tell if you've overindulged but it's more like GO in that it's not drastically different like 3 was and the differences are good/not game breaking.

Even the lone Unreal 4 showcase map runs like butter in comparison to most of these betas these days.

Isn't that what Dirty Bomb was attempting, but did poorly?
Dirty Bomb is quite good. I'd definitely recommend giving it a few hours. Especially if you're one of those weirdos who actually liked any aspect of Brink.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: toku on August 29, 2015, 03:48:54 PM
I loved MnC and SuperMnC. Put a health amount of time in both but shit monetization killed the latter.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: Take My Breh Away on August 31, 2015, 07:23:35 AM
Tribes Ascend at its peak :rejoice

Tribes Ascend after the speed cap patch  :noooo

Monetization. The killer of great games. Fuck you Hi-Rez
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: Huff on September 05, 2015, 09:46:14 AM
Lawbreakers is the first videogame in years to actually have something to say.

lol memes u so funni
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: brawndolicious on September 05, 2015, 01:40:16 PM
Looks fun I won't deny it. Characters look like TF2 on roids though, as if Michaelangelo was a game developer.  That kind of makes sense if he was alive today.

So, I guess the market is going to be flooded with arena shooters next year with this game, Blizzard's Overwatch, Gearbox's Battleborn, and Bethesda's Battlecry, huh? At least three of them are "free-to-play." I'm trying to care, but just can't really muster any enthusiasm for any of them.

Unreal Tournament is also in the works, think its free to play, don't know if its coming out anytime soon though.

Correct. Unreal Tournament 4 is Free to Play and supposed to be shooting for next year.

Either way, it is the only one besides Overwatch that I'm honestly looking at. Cliffy hasn't done anything since Jazz Jackrabbit that resonated with me.

(And yes, I know the contradiction with caring about UT. But that's only because of the UT v Q3 war days)

I think I remember Jazz being shareware so maybe he's going back to his roots?
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: toku on June 27, 2017, 09:10:06 PM
think im gonna be serious about this one boys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEOI8XqnRGA&t=0s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYCwQuHdh6o&t=0s
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: toku on June 28, 2017, 02:58:13 PM
yuh this is legit now brehs benji sempai u gotta try it

blitzball is a lot of fun  :lol
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2017, 04:10:17 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/cyFBMWk.png)
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: Valkyrie on June 28, 2017, 05:37:07 PM
Wait, I installed this a while ago but I don't think the beta servers were up yet?
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: toku on June 28, 2017, 05:38:12 PM
if you've had a key/beta before its open now but it goes open on friday i think thats how it works

http://lawbreakers.nexon.net/en/news/article/23204/launch-pre-order-and-beta-dates-revealed
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: Valkyrie on June 28, 2017, 06:00:38 PM
Already got too many games to play, but I'll give it a try tonight. Been really interested in this for a while~
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: toku on June 29, 2017, 12:24:07 AM
https://streamable.com/4s728
https://streamable.com/5xy2j
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: benjipwns on June 29, 2017, 12:33:20 AM
 :dead at kicking the dude up the wall and shootin his face to death
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: toku on June 29, 2017, 12:45:18 AM
The boot is super disrespectful but so effective if they get close in zero g. Especially if its a class that doesn't have a lot of mobility options, it'll fuck their whole game plan up and ppl aren't quick to adapt in this game yet. Only reason I led with the kick though was to get them off the obj a$ap
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: toku on August 09, 2017, 10:49:44 PM
i bought this game because im an edgelord and hate myself so if any of you get it on pc I'll play with you (https://streamable.com/nk7j2)
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: thisismyusername on August 10, 2017, 05:24:52 AM
i bought this game (https://streamable.com/nk7j2)

Toku, honey: I love you but... why?

>3000 players on launch
>now 1000 or less two days later

BLUNDER OF THE CENTURY. All he had to do was keep it F2P!
spoiler (click to show/hide)
So it'd flop even worse.
[close]

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and hate myself

...Well, at least your honest.

#ripArenaShooterGenre meanwhile
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: demi on August 10, 2017, 05:36:43 AM
Is this game "out"? Nobody knows this even exists. With Call of Duty and Destiny in the next few months, nobody gives two fucks about any FPS games.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: benjipwns on August 10, 2017, 05:57:06 AM
Yeah, it's out but basically digital only. Outside of the collectors edition which is on both platforms and comes with an art book and stuff and the PC version comes in a big ol 90's style size box, they're only printing something like 5000 disc copies of the game for the PS4.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0912/7444/products/LB_PromoShot_PS4_CE.png)
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: bork on August 10, 2017, 07:07:09 AM
The physical release is already sold out.  But even though they did pre-sell through all their available copies, as a Limited Run Games release...it was slow to sell out, with copies left over after they put up pre-orders.  That pretty much never happens.  They then took to making bundles of the game alongside Wonderboy, which people actually wanted, in an attempt to get rid of their remaining stock.

I tried the beta briefly and just didn't really care.  Didn't want to write off the game completely and waited to see how the release went- doesn't seem to have gone well, with dismal sales (Battleborn did better  :o) and reports of major stuttering issues on the PS4 version. 
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 10, 2017, 09:23:30 AM
Market too saturated for this game. Rip.

I hear it's actually pretty fun. Just will not be able to generate enough mindshare relative to the competition.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: thisismyusername on August 10, 2017, 09:34:38 AM
Market too saturated for this game. Rip.

I dunno. Shooters can get sales. But I'm so tired of folks copying Overwatch (I don't like MOBA elements in my shooters) that it's pretty much:

(http://memecrunch.com/meme/AX79S/yeah-that-s-gonna-be-a-no-for-me-dawg/image.jpg)

The fact that it needs a Nexxon account (like Quake Champions with Beth) is also a hard pass. When will publishers get it through their head that we already have 5-6 Clients, people don't want more of them?
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: Rufus on August 10, 2017, 09:47:17 AM
Nexxon? The game is doomed. They're not going to get enough resources to right the ship.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: bork on August 10, 2017, 11:11:54 AM
Market too saturated for this game. Rip.

I dunno. Shooters can get sales. But I'm so tired of folks copying Overwatch (I don't like MOBA elements in my shooters) that it's pretty much:


What I've read is that this really isn't like Overwatch, in that the game is more balanced and is all about just the shooting mechanics and not about which character you pick to counter whatever other characters are on the map and blah blah blah. 

I think the problem here is that people just look at it and see "Overwatch clone."
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: toku on August 10, 2017, 11:59:20 AM
Market too saturated for this game. Rip.

I dunno. Shooters can get sales. But I'm so tired of folks copying Overwatch (I don't like MOBA elements in my shooters) that it's pretty much:


What I've read is that this really isn't like Overwatch, in that the game is more balanced and is all about just the shooting mechanics and not about which character you pick to counter whatever other characters are on the map and blah blah blah. 

I think the problem here is that people just look at it and see "Overwatch clone."

this is a big issue and leavers/quitters right now. Ppl joining a game, getting rekted and leaving almost immediately. Ppl can't handle losing in arena games anymore i guess
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 10, 2017, 03:01:43 PM
High skill gap games with low pop suffer in today's market for a lot of different reasons. Plus in general arena shooters are always going to have a tougher time
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: toku on August 10, 2017, 03:17:57 PM
Im 100% certain their plan is still to go F2P in a couples (im calling by spring) but they managed to find a decent audience with the betas/alphas so they decided to see what they could get as early adopters.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 10, 2017, 03:23:20 PM
Im 100% certain their plan is still to go F2P in a couples (im calling by spring) but they managed to find a decent audience with the betas/alphas so they decided to see what they could get as early adopters.

It will definitely go f2p in the future. The only problem is that once people have a negative attitude about a game (justified or not), even going f2p down the road is unlikely to change that impression.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: benjipwns on August 10, 2017, 03:31:45 PM
CliffyB's former company's game Fortnite is already confirmed as F2P but lets you pre-order and buy it if it the year of alphas didn't get boring enough for you. :lol
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: thisismyusername on August 10, 2017, 05:58:49 PM
I think the problem here is that people just look at it and see "Overwatch clone."

It may not exactly play like Overwatch, but it has the Q/E/F/Shift/whatever key ability systems like Overwatch. Which is a huge turn-off for me. Same reason (along with a Beth.com account) I'm balking at Quake Champions. But that one has a "classic" mode, which begs the question: Why would they MOBA-ize Quake in the first place, then? :doge
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: Positive Touch on August 10, 2017, 06:21:03 PM
to make money


quake champions is fucking fun; play it
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: toku on August 10, 2017, 09:49:49 PM
bless up (https://streamable.com/ayez8)
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: toku on August 11, 2017, 10:10:08 AM
when you messy af but still solid (https://streamable.com/3gxis)
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: toku on August 13, 2017, 06:06:04 PM
frothy about to be live on the frontpage of twitch for about an hour (https://www.twitch.tv/frothyomen)
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: thisismyusername on August 18, 2017, 06:49:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgZXoSTEy8Q

You should refund if you have the chance, Toku. :doge
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: tiesto on August 18, 2017, 07:08:29 PM
This is the game Limited Run tried to pawn off to people who wanted Wonder Boy, right? Didn't even know it was a CliffyB joint.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: toku on August 18, 2017, 07:45:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgZXoSTEy8Q

You should refund if you have the chance, Toku. :doge

i love the pain
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: bluemax on August 19, 2017, 02:55:22 AM
That video was brutal as fuck.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: thisismyusername on August 19, 2017, 10:30:28 AM
Toku, bb: If you're such a sadist we'll have some fun together. No need to pay $30 for a dead multiplayer game to suffer. :doge
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: toku on August 19, 2017, 11:53:30 PM
yes daddy
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: thisismyusername on August 22, 2017, 01:19:16 PM
That video was brutal as fuck.

Continuing to kick Toku and the dog while they're down:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ4v2LgVlEA
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: toku on August 22, 2017, 01:32:42 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/WEsgnzj.png)
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 22, 2017, 02:18:59 PM
0:47 on that vid. :lol
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: Let's Cyber on August 22, 2017, 03:12:53 PM
lmao those vids.

Cliffy B has always been a huge goober.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: eleuin on August 22, 2017, 03:37:15 PM
Really didn't think it would bomb this bad
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: thisismyusername on August 22, 2017, 04:57:52 PM
Really didn't think it would bomb this bad

On the bright side:

http://store.steampowered.com/app/22350/BRINK/

You can play Brink, a 7+ year old title for free now. Cliffy never should've went from F2P back to pay-for after saying it was gonna be F2P.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: toku on August 22, 2017, 05:50:00 PM
man...brink
i'm just too hopeful and optimistic all these years

 :'(
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: a slime appears on August 23, 2017, 02:47:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgZXoSTEy8Q

What fucking gets me is that Cliffy B has genuinely convinced himself that he's the main reason behind GoW's success. It wasn't the hyper talented team, definitely not Microsoft's pitch-perfect marketing, wasn't even the visually distinct subject matter, definitely not the world class graphics engine, and absolutely couldn't be that people were desperate for brand new shooter IP when the 360 launched. No, Cliffy B thinks it was due to him and his brilliant game design direction of which he was happy to take all the credit for.

This dude's ego is beyond legendary.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: thisismyusername on August 23, 2017, 07:27:50 AM
What fucking gets me is that Cliffy B has genuinely convinced himself that he's the main reason behind GoW's success. It wasn't the hyper talented team, definitely not Microsoft's pitch-perfect marketing, wasn't even the visually distinct subject matter, definitely not the world class graphics engine, and absolutely couldn't be that people were desperate for brand new shooter IP when the 360 launched. No, Cliffy B thinks it was due to him and his brilliant game design direction of which he was happy to take all the credit for.

This dude's ego is beyond legendary.

To be fair: If you believe the intro shit within the manual for the 360 version: The idea of the cover shooter came to him while playing paintball in North Carolina. So, I mean... at the time the genre (cover shooters) wasn't being done, so he did break ground on having numerous clones (like Uncharted) done under his idea.

The problem is: Outside of the Epic team (like you said), what has he done individually?
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: a slime appears on August 23, 2017, 09:16:06 AM
What fucking gets me is that Cliffy B has genuinely convinced himself that he's the main reason behind GoW's success. It wasn't the hyper talented team, definitely not Microsoft's pitch-perfect marketing, wasn't even the visually distinct subject matter, definitely not the world class graphics engine, and absolutely couldn't be that people were desperate for brand new shooter IP when the 360 launched. No, Cliffy B thinks it was due to him and his brilliant game design direction of which he was happy to take all the credit for.

This dude's ego is beyond legendary.

To be fair: If you believe the intro shit within the manual for the 360 version: The idea of the cover shooter came to him while playing paintball in North Carolina. So, I mean... at the time the genre (cover shooters) wasn't being done, so he did break ground on having numerous clones (like Uncharted) done under his idea.

The problem is: Outside of the Epic team (like you said), what has he done individually?

Ideas are cheap and easy. Execution and iteration are the real effort; especially with an incredibly collaborative team that contributed to the design every step of the way. Not to mention the excellent management team that pulled it all together in the last year under Rod Fergusson's leadership.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: Fifstar on August 23, 2017, 10:10:00 AM
I remember Cliff Bleszinski had a website dedicated to scanning cats back in the Unreal. Good times: https://web.archive.org/web/20000511112205/http://www.cat-scan.com/Old/entries3.html
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: thisismyusername on August 23, 2017, 12:27:10 PM
I remember Cliff Bleszinski had a website dedicated to scanning cats back in the Unreal. Good times: https://web.archive.org/web/20000511112205/http://www.cat-scan.com/Old/entries3.html

Oh man, going through that:

Quote
Heya. I'm a 23 year old designer/producer/useful person who works with Epic Games on cool games such as Unreal and the Jazz Jackrabbit series. I was lead level designer/co-designer on Unreal and designer of Jazz Jackrabbit 1 and 2. I also worked on some really bad Windows adventures a while back, but we're going to ignore that. I NOW live in beautiful Raleigh, North Carolina. Glad to be out of California.

    When I was younger I used to play tons of games and I would always wonder what goes on in the heads of the people who make them. So, now that I'm on the other side of the fence, I figured I'd let people peer into my noggin and see what's going on. It isn't always exciting or controversial, but it is me. Take it or leave it!

    In case you're curious, in Unreal I did Vortex Rikers, Skaaj Mine of Rrajigar, Depths of Rrajigar, DMCurse, DMHealpod, DKNightOp, DMElsinore, and DMFith. I designed all the levels in the Jazz games except for the 2nd level of the Medieval areas in Jazz2. (Nick Stadler did that one.) And, yes, I knew I'd make you shit purple twinkies when I did that "Skaarj Introduction" in Unreal. Ever since the Cyberdemon made me jump out of my seat in Doom, I had always wanted to scare people in games, and judging from the great reaction, it worked! Expect more in the future.

    I frequent irc.unreal.org #unrealed under the nick Cliffyb.

    The stucco you see in the background is taken from my previous apartment building.

    Oh, and leave my employer alone. They have nothing to do with this website.

Shiiiiiit, he's been in the industry since like... 15? 16? years of age? Epic (when they were Epic Megagames) was doing Dare to Dream in the early 90's weren't they?

Fuck, that's sad. He's like 10-12 years older than me and blowing money I'd kill to have on getting back into the game when he could've retired and stayed in the sunset.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 23, 2017, 01:02:11 PM
A lot of games devs are pretty douchey when you get to know them behind the scenes. Cliffy B seems to wear his on his sleeve though.

The Dark Souls line is the perfect example of him. Trying to horn in on the praise of another franchise that also tends to have an insufferable fanbase,

The whole Lawbreakers is so edgy and skilled af hashtag stuff seems so out of step with where the marketplace currently is.


The people who like it seem to really enjoy it though so that's always unfortunate a bit when a game you like is doomed to small or non-existent fanbase. I've have my share of games that I like that end up with that fate.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: toku on August 23, 2017, 03:05:12 PM
support what you love and want to see in the world

bless up
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: Rufus on August 23, 2017, 03:16:03 PM
The Dark Souls line is the perfect example of him.
He likes to ham it up in cringey ways, it seems. All I can think of when I hear his name now is the one time he made a butt-plug simile on the Giant Bomb E3 couch. If I remember it right, that landed like a bag of cement. Not even Ryan had anything to respond.

It's this one, apparently, but I'm too lazy to find a timestamp:
https://www.giantbomb.com/podcasts/giant-bombcast-e3-2013-day-two/1600-513/
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: thisismyusername on August 24, 2017, 08:56:23 AM
All I can think of when I hear his name now is the one time he made a butt-plug simile on the Giant Bomb E3 couch.

:leon
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: Let's Cyber on August 24, 2017, 09:49:13 AM
https://youtu.be/IpXhjDMkNpU?t=12m25s

This was the first time I learned about Cliffy B.   :rofl
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: Rufus on August 24, 2017, 10:11:52 AM
All I can think of when I hear his name now is the one time he made a butt-plug simile on the Giant Bomb E3 couch.

:leon
The picture he was painting was of an executive (?) at some kind of debauchery, whispering "perfection" as it slides into some prostitute's asshole. Goddamn it, you're gonna make me scrub through this shit to find it.

Hold on...

Found it. 29:50 (https://www.giantbomb.com/podcasts/giant-bombcast-e3-2013-day-two/1600-513/)

Turns out he's relating a joke. The above is just my memory making shit up. The human mind is a wondrous thing.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: eleuin on September 13, 2017, 12:06:16 AM
(https://beyond-gaming.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/MQdF4O.png)

 :dayum
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: Sho Nuff on September 13, 2017, 05:20:55 AM
I got no beef with Cliffy, nothing but good memories of the fella
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: sarslip on September 13, 2017, 12:06:55 PM
(http://abload.de/img/captureq9sys.png)   :lol
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 13, 2017, 02:03:42 PM
(https://beyond-gaming.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/MQdF4O.png)

 :dayum

This is a game that came out just over a month ago and had nearly half a million people playing the beta.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: toku on September 13, 2017, 02:22:35 PM
bless up
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: thisismyusername on September 28, 2017, 12:43:24 AM
Seems they threw Cliffy under the bus with the Steam discription:

"In Boss Key Productions’ LawBreakers, players can shoot, ski, grapple, fly, slide, kick, slice, pulverize, blind-fire, wall-jump and more in this competitive, gravity-defying multiplayer FPS that’s fun to pick up and a thrill to master."

Was:

"Bring your skills and get ready to deliver death from every angle as you compete in unprecedented gravity-defying combat in LawBreakers, the new first-person shooter from legendary game designer Cliff Bleszinski and team. LawBreakers challenges even the best players to get off the ground, and master new ways to play in fast-paced, omni-directional multiplayer FPS combat unlike anything you’ve experienced before."

Or there-abouts. I sadly didn't capture the launch one.

Anyway: http://steamcommunity.com/games/350280/announcements/detail/1495616499743085668

Does anyone even care it's having a free weekend when CoD: Back to WW2 is having their beta then? :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :neogaf Oh, Cliffy. You are the spitting image of Randy from Gearbox. :doge
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: chronovore on September 28, 2017, 01:19:17 AM
I got no beef with Cliffy, nothing but good memories of the fella

I only ran into him once, at a GDC afterparty. He had an exquisitely coifed woman on his arm, and no-one else had brought show-model dates. Other than that, he seemed OK.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: Sho Nuff on September 28, 2017, 03:13:53 AM
I got no beef with Cliffy, nothing but good memories of the fella

I only ran into him once, at a GDC afterparty. He had an exquisitely coifed woman on his arm, and no-one else had brought show-model dates. Other than that, he seemed OK.
 

Back in 2001 I was shopping for hardware for my company in Akihabara, and saw a guy wearing gold chains and an Unreal Tournament leather jacket. I was like "Hi Cliffy B!" and he's like "HOW DID YOU KNOW IT WAS ME?"

I wound up taking him back to my company and they were like "OH SHIT SHO NUFF-SAN, YOU FOUND A CLIFFY B" and we wound up going out for drinks and getting hammered, it was the fuckin best day
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: chronovore on September 28, 2017, 04:03:52 AM
I got no beef with Cliffy, nothing but good memories of the fella

I only ran into him once, at a GDC afterparty. He had an exquisitely coifed woman on his arm, and no-one else had brought show-model dates. Other than that, he seemed OK.
 

Back in 2001 I was shopping for hardware for my company in Akihabara, and saw a guy wearing gold chains and an Unreal Tournament leather jacket. I was like "Hi Cliffy B!" and he's like "HOW DID YOU KNOW IT WAS ME?"

I wound up taking him back to my company and they were like "OH SHIT SHO NUFF-SAN, YOU FOUND A CLIFFY B" and we wound up going out for drinks and getting hammered, it was the fuckin best day

Sho Nuff used ALCOHOL. It's SUPER-EFFECTIVE.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: thisismyusername on September 28, 2017, 06:03:48 AM
I got no beef with Cliffy, nothing but good memories of the fella

I only ran into him once, at a GDC afterparty. He had an exquisitely coifed woman on his arm, and no-one else had brought show-model dates. Other than that, he seemed OK.
 

Back in 2001 I was shopping for hardware for my company in Akihabara, and saw a guy wearing gold chains and an Unreal Tournament leather jacket. I was like "Hi Cliffy B!" and he's like "HOW DID YOU KNOW IT WAS ME?"

I wound up taking him back to my company and they were like "OH SHIT SHO NUFF-SAN, YOU FOUND A CLIFFY B" and we wound up going out for drinks and getting hammered, it was the fuckin best day

People in Japan besides Kojima actually know Cliffy? That's funny to me, I figured he would be rather unknown, given Japan isn't huge on shooters.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: toku on September 28, 2017, 10:07:59 AM
cliffy seems alright to me
lawbreakers is a solid game

bless up
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on September 28, 2017, 10:56:32 AM
Looking forward to the free weekend, and then all the other free weekends when it goes ftp
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: thisismyusername on September 28, 2017, 11:45:34 AM
Looking forward to the free weekend, and then all the other free weekends when it goes ftp

I really want to see the Steamcharts once this free weekend starts and then is over. Should be amazing on the player bump (if any).
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: toku on September 28, 2017, 01:03:42 PM
bless up
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 28, 2017, 02:25:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgZXoSTEy8Q

You should refund if you have the chance, Toku. :doge

Seemed kinda funny at first, even if it's beating a dead horse. Then it goes into his girlfriend dumping him, which is shitty. Then it goes into full on trans phobia and I turned it off.

The video gives a lot of time to the disinvited youtuber before it starts making fun of unisex bathrooms. I wonder what he actually said for Boss Key to tell him that they don't want to be associated with someone who doesn't respect diversity.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: thisismyusername on September 28, 2017, 05:01:03 PM
Seemed kinda funny at first, even if it's beating a dead horse. Then it goes into his girlfriend dumping him, which is shitty. Then it goes into full on trans phobia and I turned it off.

The video gives a lot of time to the disinvited youtuber before it starts making fun of unisex bathrooms. I wonder what he actually said for Boss Key to tell him that they don't want to be associated with someone who doesn't respect diversity.

It's mean spirited but that's kinda the point. I think Crowb's (in the second youtube) is a bit more reasonable.

I forget what the Youtuber did. I wish I had the Twitters when that blew up, but I don't because it really was minor.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: chronovore on September 28, 2017, 07:22:53 PM
I'm not impressed with people who are involved in takedown culture. Jokey criticism is inherently disingenuous, because the authors want the ability to back out with a "j/k!"  Fuck that. Create something original or create through honest criticism, but at least stand behind one's words.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 28, 2017, 07:24:22 PM
I'm not impressed with people who are involved in takedown culture. Jokey criticism is inherently disingenuous, because the authors want the ability to back out with a "j/k!"  Fuck that. Create something original or create through honest criticism, but at least stand behind one's words.

Also, if you're gonna do it, at least be mean spirited to people for shitty things they do. Not for being empathetic to trans rights issues.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: thisismyusername on September 28, 2017, 10:51:07 PM
Quote
481
playing 35 min ago

527
24-hour peak

7,482
all-time peak

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/media.vau.ame/3074_f80f.jpg) (http://steamcharts.com/app/350280)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YxaaGgTQYM
[close]

CoD beta absolutely demolished this having any sort of momentum. Them not pre-loading, buried it.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: bork on October 12, 2017, 11:14:34 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/ao3hEcb.jpg)
:neogaf
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: toku on October 12, 2017, 12:23:23 PM
laugh at misery brehs

bless up
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: Coax on October 12, 2017, 12:41:47 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ao3hEcb.jpg)
:neogaf

otoh a solid chance of matching with toku :leon
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: Valkyrie on October 12, 2017, 01:08:46 PM
Where did LawBreakers go wrong? What was so wrong with it?
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: VomKriege on October 12, 2017, 01:11:12 PM
Where did LawBreakers go wrong? What was so wrong with it?

Too average in too crowded a market, I guess.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: thisismyusername on January 03, 2018, 03:53:27 PM
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-01-03-publisher-blames-pubg-for-lawbreakers-flopping

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FywSzjRq0e4

Nexxon trying to save face by blaming PUBG (which had been out for months earlier) for Lawbreakers bombing. Just say what you want to say, Nexxon: Lawbreakers was shit.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: Brehvolution on January 04, 2018, 01:52:45 PM
God of Twisted Lawbreakers of War
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: chronovore on January 05, 2018, 11:48:29 PM
God of Twisted Lawbreakers of War

No.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: bork on January 06, 2018, 10:40:45 AM
CliffyB and David Jaffe should get together for the next big game nobody wants to play.
(http://media2.giphy.com/media/B7dblTtZE0ywo/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: CrazyDiamond on January 06, 2018, 10:51:46 AM
CliffyB and David Jaffe should get together for the next big game nobody wants to play.

And Randy Pitchford
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: thisismyusername on January 06, 2018, 04:59:40 PM
CliffyB and David Jaffe should get together for the next big game nobody wants to play.

And Randy Pitchford

At least Randy's game (Stillborn) has more players than Cliffy's.  :doge
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: bluemax on January 06, 2018, 05:11:01 PM
How many people are playing Drawn Like a teenage Beavis and Butthead fan or whatever it was called.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: thisismyusername on January 06, 2018, 06:49:37 PM
How many people are playing Drawn Like a teenage Beavis and Butthead fan or whatever it was called.

Can't tell you as that isn't on Steam. :doge
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: bluemax on January 06, 2018, 11:09:00 PM
Fair. It seems almost like Bartlet Jones has moved on to developing something new, I wonder if they are still patching/updating that game.

"The game was a runner-up for the "Worst Game (That We Played)" award at Giant Bomb's Game of the Year 2017 Awards"

Brutal.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: kingv on January 07, 2018, 12:48:50 PM
I would probably have played lawbreakers eventually... but looks like I probably could never get into a game bow
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: paprikastaude on January 07, 2018, 01:04:01 PM
CliffyB and David Jaffe should get together for the next big game nobody wants to play.

They are edgelords but at least value gameplay somewhat  :yeshrug  Early God of War was cool to play with little interruption of its dumb narrative, now others immediately turned it ino a Last of Us clone...
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: bork on January 08, 2018, 12:42:49 PM
How many people are playing Drawn Like a teenage Beavis and Butthead fan or whatever it was called.

I was interested in this pre-release.  Looked like a cool concept with a unique look.  Then I tried it and found it to play like something out of the 90s -in a bad way- with clunky game play and a very limited number of players per match.   :-\  At least this was free to play.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: bluemax on January 09, 2018, 12:58:43 AM
How many people are playing Drawn Like a teenage Beavis and Butthead fan or whatever it was called.

I was interested in this pre-release.  Looked like a cool concept with a unique look.  Then I tried it and found it to play like something out of the 90s -in a bad way- with clunky game play and a very limited number of players per match.   :-\  At least this was free to play.

I think it was only F2P initially or with PS+ or something. I checked the GameFaqs board, not the best judge of anything, and it was a ghost town. No posts for months and many of the last posts talked about how long it took to find a game.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: benjipwns on January 09, 2018, 01:33:29 AM
Drawn to Death is listed as $20 on the PSN store. Looks like they released a patch a week after release and then never touched it again.
No posts for months and many of the last posts talked about how long it took to find a game.
I seem to remember Twisted Metal having this same problem to the extent that to show the problem, much of Giant Bomb's quick look was dedicated to showing how unable to find a game you are despite it saying there were plenty of players online.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: thisismyusername on April 06, 2018, 12:51:59 AM
http://bosskey.com/news/uncategorized/april-2018-studio-statement/

Quote
LawBreakers Community,

It has been a while since we said anything about LawBreakers. With that, the past four months at Boss Key Productions has been especially trying, as we pride ourselves at being communicative and transparent.

So here is the very real truth, which may not come as a surprise.

The fact is LawBreakers failed to find enough of an audience to generate the funds necessary to keep it sustained in the manner we had originally planned for and anticipated.  And while a pivot to free-to-play may seem like easiest change to make, a change of this magnitude takes publishing planning and resources to do it.

The team here has worked hard on this game over the past three and a half years and our studio is determined to give this game the second life it deserves. However, between now and then, we cannot sit idle. We will continue to support the game in its current state, but we also need to focus on other projects with fresh creative leaders. We have been working on something new and we can’t wait to share more about it! It’s a passion project that we’re in complete control of.

Thank you for your ongoing understanding and patience.

 

Boss Key Productions

:violin Million Dollar IP™ :violin
:violin Dark Souls of Shooters™ :violin
:violin legendary game designer Cliff Bleszinski :violin
:violin Toku's $30 :violin
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: toku on April 06, 2018, 02:01:45 AM
I got like 80 hours out of it. I regret nothing. Bless up.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: TEEEPO on April 06, 2018, 02:34:12 AM
i only got like 30

feels bad man  :'(
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: MMaRsu on April 06, 2018, 07:01:50 AM
They cant make it F2P? I want to play it but Im not gonna pay shit for it
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: headwalk on April 06, 2018, 08:53:42 AM
They cant make it F2P? I want to play it but Im not gonna pay shit for it

because every hand reworking this game into a F2P champion shooter is a hand not working on tearing out whatever they can salvage to make a battle royale game.

though knowing their luck by the time it comes out someone will be dominating the twitch and steam zeitgeist with a crazy new take on the hearts of iron formula and they'll have to pivot to that.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: bork on April 06, 2018, 10:06:54 AM
They should have made this a third-person shooter.  Would have at least helped to stand out somewhat against Overwatch and the like.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: thisismyusername on April 06, 2018, 10:53:03 AM
They should have made this a third-person shooter.  Would have at least helped to stand out somewhat against Overwatch and the like.

Paladins has a mode for that (or you can switch to it), and Paladins took the Overwatch for Free market, so... :yeshrug
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: bork on April 06, 2018, 11:46:18 AM
:leon

Might check out Paladins now.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: Nabbis on April 06, 2018, 11:50:55 AM
I honestly don't like it when a project fails but you can't just fund every damn thing and expect people to buy things just cause someone made it.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: kingv on April 06, 2018, 01:00:21 PM
They cant make it F2P? I want to play it but Im not gonna pay shit for it

Feel the same. I’m curious about the game, because my favorite shooters are usually the ones that scratch that 90s shooter Quakeworld itch, but I’m not going to pay $30 for a game with 13 concurrent users at peak.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: bork on April 06, 2018, 02:53:08 PM
Anyone ever try Toxikk?  That's a Quake/UT style game that's F2P on Steam IIRC.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: thisismyusername on April 06, 2018, 05:53:58 PM
Anyone ever try Toxikk?  That's a Quake/UT style game that's F2P on Steam IIRC.

No? I think that's another one that tried to get into the Arena shooter market.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: Nintex on April 06, 2018, 07:23:47 PM
With Lawbreakers flopping and Microsoft sitting without exclusives I expect Cliffy B will join team green soon enough to work on a new exclusive for Xbox One.
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: kingv on April 07, 2018, 08:10:54 PM
What about the new quake? Was that any good?
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: thisismyusername on April 07, 2018, 09:50:21 PM
What about the new quake? Was that any good?

Q3A arena fans HATE it.  Find out the one thing that makes it shit. Click here: (Overwatch clone)

Quake 3 fans/diehards stick with Quake Live. People that want MOBA shit in an Arena shooter are kinda playing it, but it's not lighting the world on fire (and Steam charges $30 for it) so... yeah...
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: benjipwns on April 08, 2018, 03:34:54 AM
oh it was in a humble monthly, that's why i have quake champions, maybe i should try to play that before it dies off completely

it seems that is trying a $5 entry model, you get the first champion and some limitations, with the full version at $30 (also it's technically still in early access)

similarly Toxikk is "free" but you have to level up and stuff before you can play every map, etc. with $15 for the full game

if anything i do like that all these titles are trying to find some kind of sweet spot of entry, Siege putting up the $15 version did incredibly well for them, as did BO III with a similar $15 model (though neither IW or WWII used it oddly) with Siege then making more money off the Year packs and BOIII the upgrade to the full game (discounted!) if you want to prestige, have more than so many "heroes", zombies, campaign, etc.

the only actual complaint i have for those is that Siege should have done like BOIII did and made you a "normal" user if you bought anything further, i only bought the $15 version because at the time i didn't expect them to support the title like they have so now i'm stuck having to grind 20x as much as normal players lol, i bought a year pack too! sure it was because of a pricing error and i got it for $12 and it unlocked a bunch of stuff but STILL! EQUAL REKNOWN FOR EQUAL WORK!

i have to imagine a key reason BO III's numbers haven't tanked to near nothing is because of that $15 starter pack (though it's still dropped off way more severely than its predecessors did at the same point in the lifecycle...except AW which to me always seemed to be hurt by bad timing regarding a PC spec requirements jump)
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: MMaRsu on April 08, 2018, 02:27:33 PM
https://youtu.be/wJ4v2LgVlEA
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on April 09, 2018, 11:44:58 AM
https://www.polygon.com/2018/4/9/17207682/radical-heights-battle-royale-boss-key-steam-early-access-f2p

lllllllllllllloooooooooooooooooooooooooooollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: bork on April 09, 2018, 12:42:52 PM
"Our Overwatch clone failed.  Surely our Fortnight rip-off will do better!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMJF6TXGVEk
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 09, 2018, 12:49:34 PM
They just kicked LawBreakers to the curb! :neogaf
Title: Re: LawBreakers (Cliff Bleszinski)
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 11, 2018, 06:51:19 AM
https://youtu.be/wJ4v2LgVlEA

This video wss pretty great  :lol