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Title: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2016, 12:10:01 PM
Ever since Ferguson I've been angry and felt like I couldn't do anything. I got into activism, and the more and more I saw reactions from white people about black safety, and black lives, and black security, and black freedom the more their culture, their history, and their people make me fucking sick.

This election just sealed those emotions as white people came out of the woodwork to show their colors.

At this point, I do not like white people. I do not have white friends. I do not mess with white people and I think their culture is ethically bankrupt and disgusting. The fact that if minorities didn't vote in today's election, Trump would win tells me everything I know.

I am fully aware this is becoming a form of hate for me. But I can't stop despite being fully aware of it. I feel like a hypocrite and like one of the people I hate. I don't know how to fix it. I try to empathize but ultimately come to the conclusion that white people and their sickness and their racism is their problem and not for me to empathize with. I have a full on "fuck em, leave me alone cac, I want nothing to do with you" attitude with white people now. It didn't always use to be like this. I had plenty of white friends and I'd support them. But since Ferguson I've done a massive thinning of my social circle and have come to the conclusion that most white people aren't shit and it's a waste of time thinking or hoping they aren't shit.

This emotion isn't going away and it only got stronger and stronger the closer we got to Election Day.

I'm not sure what to do.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2016, 12:16:27 PM
I read stuff like this.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/11/07/those_insanely_long_early_voting_lines_were_a_result_of_republican_voter.html

Or the stuff about Prince Harry dating a black woman and my reaction is instinctly,"white peoole are dog shit, their culture is dog shit, and they will always be dog shit."

Change my view.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 08, 2016, 12:28:51 PM
My top 5 white characters in Final Fantasy:

5. Locke
4. Lulu
3. Kain
2. Cloud
1. Sephorith
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 08, 2016, 12:31:25 PM
Sephorith really was a valid herald of white culture. 
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Mupepe on November 08, 2016, 12:32:07 PM
But I'm pretty damn white :(
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2016, 12:33:19 PM
Your grandmother was Mexican. I do not filter you as white in my head.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Mupepe on November 08, 2016, 12:35:49 PM
One of them was.  My other grandma is Cherokee.  My Grandfather was a good ol' Kentucky boy - papa too.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 08, 2016, 12:36:05 PM
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/a7fde48976/kill-the-white-people-from-nino?_cc=__d___&_ccid=569ddfa9-e553-48f3-acdd-75fd8b2ecdc0
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 08, 2016, 12:44:56 PM
People are shitheads no matter what the race. Yes this culture of ours produces a system where racism is entrenched and easily passed down but that's a cultural and historic problem. That is America.

People are generally fine on an individual level but when they group up they become morons.

Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 12:46:55 PM
I prefer the Dr. Khalid Abdul Muhammad version.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 08, 2016, 12:54:44 PM
People are shitheads no matter what the race. Yes this culture of ours produces a system where racism is entrenched and easily passed down but that's a cultural and historic problem. That is America.

People are generally fine on an individual level but when they group up they become morons.

This is true, but white people happen to have been in charge and have society set up to cater to them, so QoI's complaints are valid.

I say that as a white person that benefits from this shit every day of his life. Also- whooooo being a straight dude on top of being white! I hit the privilege trifecta.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 08, 2016, 01:00:12 PM
Trump is dispiriting on a number of levels. I understand that. He is a candidate that has pretty much embraced everything rational people find disgusting and half of the country will go vote for him today. That says something no matter how much people will try to spin it and say well I just voted for him because he was the republican candidate. Never mind the large swath of people who actively and eagerly support what he stands for.

I mean its disgusting but I kind of always prefer to see the true ugliness we are working against rather than the papered over ugliness that existed in its place. So in that sense I welcome Trump.

I have a dumb-ass black brother in law who is voting for Trump. (Because his white pastor told him to). So the dumbness and ugliness isn't a skin thing. It's a dumb people with dumb people thing. And America is full of those.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 08, 2016, 01:15:33 PM
And y'all think I'm the crazy one :ufup
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2016, 01:15:40 PM
One of them was.  My other grandma is Cherokee.  My Grandfather was a good ol' Kentucky boy - papa too.

Exactly. I don't filter you as white in my head. My grandmother was native too.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2016, 01:16:18 PM
And y'all think I'm the crazy one :ufup

If you think this is isolated to me, you should probably read more black newspapers.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: nachobro on November 08, 2016, 01:17:34 PM
if the newspapers are black how do you read the words?
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: VomKriege on November 08, 2016, 01:17:58 PM
That's probably the corniest stuff to say but it is true nonetheless : It's not white people and it's not race (since "human races" aren't a thing).
What is it, I don't know, maybe liberalism, European culture since 1XXX or something else ? I guess that's for you to say.
I get that in the USA today it's unfortunately the same thing because those race lines are deeply entrenched, but really it's not just semantics.

Beyond that, what can we say ? As long as you don't end up sniping randos in the streets, you're entitled to your opinions.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2016, 01:20:19 PM
I definitely don't think they should die. They're still human.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Steve Contra on November 08, 2016, 01:35:05 PM
One thing I've noticed from lots of white people on both sides of the aisle is they find it very hard to accept that black people can hate white people for treating them like human garbage for years while simultaneously finding the fact that lots of white people hate black people because of the color of their skin not too difficult.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2016, 01:37:20 PM
One thing I've noticed from lots of white people on both sides of the aisle is they find it very hard to accept that black people can hate white people for treating them like human garbage for years while simultaneously finding the fact that lots of white people hate black people because of the color of their skin not too difficult.

It is a way to make themselves the victim. They're pretty easy to predict.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2016, 01:44:18 PM
Given my close proximity to a certain daughter of Yakub I am not qualified to post my thoughts in this thread.

I only ask that Toku speak for me at my inevitable race traitor trial.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: zomgee on November 08, 2016, 01:45:20 PM
The dogma is just going to have to die. That's all I can come up with. As much as I'd like it to be an overnight change it's not going to happen. The Old Ones with their Old Ways will have to just fade away.

I mean "Make America Great Again" as a slogan?

I work with someone who yesterday said "there's someone who has AIDS at that restaurant." Same person who doesn't understand that Islam <> evil. There is literally nothing you can do to change these peoples' minds after they've been in their bubble for so long. Maybe their kids will be better, maybe not.

The only place they get their views are from television.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Trurl on November 08, 2016, 01:47:30 PM
I have to imagine that the good white people excusing racism from their family members gets old.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: zomgee on November 08, 2016, 01:50:55 PM
I have to imagine that the good white people excusing racism from their family members gets old.

How do you reach people who don't want to be reached or want to learn to accept?

Better yet, here's my problem, right here: I, me... I am not willing to tell my family otherwise. So there, it's me. *I* may very well be the problem. Words and not actions.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Boredfrom on November 08, 2016, 02:14:05 PM
Your grandmother was Mexican. I do not filter you as white in my head.

There is Mexican white people, thought. Or Mexican natives that get the short end of the stick because they isolated and not mixed.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: tiesto on November 08, 2016, 02:16:17 PM
I have to imagine that the good white people excusing racism from their family members gets old.

But what do you do when you tell them over and over again to ixnay-on-the-acismray, and they are so stuck in their ways, short of disowning them?
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: bork on November 08, 2016, 02:18:11 PM
All I can really say here is that the issues you have are not with all white people.  They're with a particular group of people.   Is this stuff stemming from Internet idiocy or actual real-life local interactions and conversations?  If it's the latter...maybe it's time for a location change.  I thought you were heading to California?

But I can't relate here-- No racists (or Trump supporters  :doge) in my family.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Trurl on November 08, 2016, 02:18:25 PM
I have to imagine that the good white people excusing racism from their family members gets old.

How do you reach people who don't want to be reached or want to learn to accept?

Better yet, here's my problem, right here: I, me... I am not willing to tell my family otherwise. So there, it's me. *I* may very well be the problem. Words and not actions.
I argue with my immediate family all of the time but not family outside of that. 

The problem is that people can be complicated.  For example, my Trump supporting mother once gave a black lady at a veterinarian's office $100+ to help her pay a bill when the lady came up short.  It was an act of generosity that I doubt many leftists on the internet have matched.  At the same time my mom is legitimately bigoted against Muslims and believes that the entire religion is at war with the West.

So I get to have this nuanced view of my mother as a person who is exceptionally fair to people in one on one interactions, but holds repugnant views about some people as groups.  The thing that I feel guilty about is that a white person associating with a racist white person is the social equivalent of using a white only facility.  You don't get to have a nuanced view of a person who wants nothing to do with you because of the color of your skin or your religion. 

That said I can't disown her because of filial piety, love and a need for money.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2016, 02:30:52 PM
All I can really say here is that the issues you have are not with all white people.  They're with a particular group of people.   Is this stuff stemming from Internet idiocy or actual real-life local interactions and conversations?  If it's the latter...maybe it's time for a location change.  I thought you were heading to California?

But I can't relate here-- No racists (or Trump supporters  :doge) in my family.

I'm not so sure about that. If you are white, and have shown yourself to be cool, then fine. I certainly think that of  many on this forum that I've talked to for over a decade. Some of whom are in this very thread.

But then there's the fact that most people online and offline, have shown to people one should err on the side of caution. You've got the Trump supporters who are totally voting for him because of the "issues", you've got former Trump supporters who were totally fine with him until his sexist tape was released, you've got the media (mostly operated by white people) that gloss over Trump's racism and xenophobia to be "fair and balanced", you have white people who are convinced that Trump and Hillary are totally the same and on the same level and live in la la land, you've got white liberals and "progressives" who told us that we should vote Bernie because we don't know what's good for us (note: I voted and campaigned for Bernie despite this and had to stomach this white cac shit show). Black people want people (namely the police, who are supposed to be enforcers of law) to stop killing us in cold blood. Well guess what, BLUE LIVES MATTER TOO. I had to endure for 8 years, rumors and heresay that our president was a Muslim athiest communist dictator fascist on the premise that he was black. When a 12 year old kid gets shot down from police, people defend it. Fascism is brewing in Europe, Britain voted to leave the EU on the premise of protecting it from the Muslim menace. France has voted to outlaw muslim bikinis for some reason. From the media, to the most white organizations, to governance, to elected officials, to every day people that support it white people have shown that they are a culture incapable of basic human empathy and are dog shit with some exceptions.

As for California, things happened and my move was delayed. Plans have been altered but it's still the plan.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Boredfrom on November 08, 2016, 02:35:16 PM
All I can really say here is that the issues you have are not with all white people.  They're with a particular group of people.   Is this stuff stemming from Internet idiocy or actual real-life local interactions and conversations?  If it's the latter...maybe it's time for a location change.  I thought you were heading to California?

But I can't relate here-- No racists (or Trump supporters  :doge) in my family.

I'm not so sure about that. If you are white, and have shown yourself to be cool, then fine. I certainly think that of  many on this forum that I've talked to for over a decade. Some of whom are in this very thread.

But then there's the fact that most people online and offline, have shown to people one should err on the side of caution. You've got the Trump supporters who are totally voting for him because of the "issues", you've got former Trump supporters who were totally fine with him until his sexist tape was released, you've got the media (mostly operated by white people) that gloss over Trump's racism and xenophobia to be "fair and balanced", you have white people who are convinced that Trump and Hillary are totally the same and on the same level and live in la la land, you've got white liberals and "progressives" who told us that we should vote Bernie because we don't know what's good for us (note: I voted and campaigned for Bernie despite this and had to stomach this white cac shit show). Black people want people (namely the police, who are supposed to be enforcers of law) to stop killing us in cold blood. Well guess what, BLUE LIVES MATTER TOO. I had to endure for 8 years, rumors and heresay that our president was a Muslim athiest communist dictator fascist on the premise that he was black. When a 12 year old kid gets shot down from police, people defend it. Fascism is brewing in Europe, Britain voted to leave the EU on the premise of protecting it from the Muslim menace. France has voted to outlaw muslim bikinis for some reason. From the media, to the most white organizations, to governance, to elected officials, to every day people that support it white people have shown that they are a culture incapable of basic human empathy and are dog shit with some exceptions.

As for California, things happened and my move was delayed. Plans have been altered but it's still the plan.

So is only politics?

Take a break after the election.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2016, 02:35:58 PM
If you think this is only politics, you are extremely naive. This is about simply existing.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on November 08, 2016, 02:37:55 PM
the world is changing, for the better. Its happening slowly, but it is happening.

We are becoming a country, a world even that is more inclusive, less afraid of gay people, that provides better opportunities to women and people of color, that gives more respect to people from different cultures. Things can look terrible now, but that we're even seeing the injustices that used to be invisible still counts as progress. That the almost always obstacles to these sorts of progress is white men is not something I can hand wave away. Progress always comes at a price, there's always an opposing pushback, progress always wins though, it takes time, but it does. I'm 36, and the social progress I've seen just in my lifetime heartens me, which I always need to remember when I so often see the regressive and cruel injustices that still riddle this society.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Boredfrom on November 08, 2016, 02:39:08 PM
Dunno if is naive, but you need to take a break in following politics in anycase as is becoming obssesive in very bad degree.

Im mexican BTW.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2016, 02:44:32 PM
how am i supposed to take a break exactly? after the election those people aren't going away.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Boredfrom on November 08, 2016, 02:54:51 PM
how am i supposed to take a break exactly? after the election those people aren't going away.

What did you do before going full into political activism? How do you entertein yourself outside following politics in the internet?
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: bork on November 08, 2016, 02:57:52 PM
All I can really say here is that the issues you have are not with all white people.  They're with a particular group of people.   Is this stuff stemming from Internet idiocy or actual real-life local interactions and conversations?  If it's the latter...maybe it's time for a location change.  I thought you were heading to California?

But I can't relate here-- No racists (or Trump supporters  :doge) in my family.

I'm not so sure about that. If you are white, and have shown yourself to be cool, then fine. I certainly think that of  many on this forum that I've talked to for over a decade. Some of whom are in this very thread.

But then there's the fact that most people online and offline, have shown to people one should err on the side of caution. You've got the Trump supporters who are totally voting for him because of the "issues", you've got former Trump supporters who were totally fine with him until his sexist tape was released, you've got the media (mostly operated by white people) that gloss over Trump's racism and xenophobia to be "fair and balanced", you have white people who are convinced that Trump and Hillary are totally the same and on the same level and live in la la land, you've got white liberals and "progressives" who told us that we should vote Bernie because we don't know what's good for us (note: I voted and campaigned for Bernie despite this and had to stomach this white cac shit show). Black people want people (namely the police, who are supposed to be enforcers of law) to stop killing us in cold blood. Well guess what, BLUE LIVES MATTER TOO. I had to endure for 8 years, rumors and heresay that our president was a Muslim athiest communist dictator fascist on the premise that he was black. When a 12 year old kid gets shot down from police, people defend it. Fascism is brewing in Europe, Britain voted to leave the EU on the premise of protecting it from the Muslim menace. France has voted to outlaw muslim bikinis for some reason. From the media, to the most white organizations, to governance, to elected officials, to every day people that support it white people have shown that they are a culture incapable of basic human empathy and are dog shit with some exceptions.

OK.  But there are plenty of people out there equally against the negative things you just mentioned from all races, ethnicities, cultures, etc.  It's not so black and white...no pun intended.

You're right that nothing is going just up and change if you take a "break," but it might help to mentally relax and not be concerned with politics and the like for a little bit.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: bork on November 08, 2016, 02:58:46 PM
Americans are crazy, man.

Jesus.

I don't know about you, but I don't have time to put people into groups-- I hate fucking everybody.  Been around the world and assholes are everywhere.

Humans
:neogaf

People suck.  There are some cool individuals out there, though.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: tiesto on November 08, 2016, 03:14:41 PM
I'm a big lover of the book "Guns, Germs and Steel" and I always wonder what it would have been like if someone other than western Europe hit the Industrial Revolution first... like say, the Ming Dynasty didn't halt the Chinese navy, or a Mesoamerican civilization industrialized while Europe was still stuck in the Dark Ages. Would the people who ruled over be more or less bloodthirsty as the whites of the colonial era?
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Syph on November 08, 2016, 03:24:48 PM
 :holeup
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Boredfrom on November 08, 2016, 03:29:52 PM
I'm a big lover of the book "Guns, Germs and Steel" and I always wonder what it would have been like if someone other than western Europe hit the Industrial Revolution first... like say, the Ming Dynasty didn't halt the Chinese navy, or a Mesoamerican civilization industrialized while Europe was still stuck in the Dark Ages. Would the people who ruled over be more or less bloodthirsty as the whites of the colonial era?

Short answer, probably not. Still a tricky question thought as their cultures and social realities where way different to end being straight modus operandi of european colonialism.

White people have more advantages in the world by dafault because colonialism and all that, true. But I m not going to pretend that people of other skin colors or cultures can not act like pricks. 
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Steve Contra on November 08, 2016, 03:30:00 PM
"Take a break black person living in the South"

- White people on the internet
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Tasty on November 08, 2016, 03:31:50 PM
My conundrum is:

1. I'm a white person.
2. I care about racial inequality.
3. But at the same time, I'm out of my depth. I both admit and have been told that I can't relate to the black experience in America, because I can't.
4. I've also been told I can't be an "ally" because white liberals don't really care, and I don't want to act like I can speak for (or at) the black community.

So for now I basically have to be content with doing nothing for non-whites other than voting for Democrats and pro-black policies. Sucks but whatever.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Boredfrom on November 08, 2016, 03:32:08 PM
"Take a break black person living in the South"

- White people on the internet

Im not white, lol.

But taking a break is the best advice here as it is akwnoledged that is becoming a obsesion to him. It can affect his mental healt in general, being honest.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 08, 2016, 03:35:42 PM
I'm a big lover of the book "Guns, Germs and Steel" and I always wonder what it would have been like if someone other than western Europe hit the Industrial Revolution first... like say, the Ming Dynasty didn't halt the Chinese navy, or a Mesoamerican civilization industrialized while Europe was still stuck in the Dark Ages. Would the people who ruled over be more or less bloodthirsty as the whites of the colonial era?

Probably just as bad if not worse

There are other developments that kept things in check somewhat, Rennesaince, Enlightment etc.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 08, 2016, 03:42:56 PM
Pretty much, don't overthink shit and be normal amd decent. Lead by example.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2016, 03:43:45 PM
My conundrum is:

1. I'm a white person.
2. I care about racial inequality.
3. But at the same time, I'm out of my depth. I both admit and have been told that I can't relate to the black experience in America, because I can't.
4. I've also been told I can't be an "ally" because white liberals don't really care, and I don't want to act like I can speak for (or at) the black community.

So for now I basically have to be content with doing nothing for non-whites other than voting for Democrats and pro-black policies. Sucks but whatever.

CUCK
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2016, 03:43:58 PM
Fucking Canadians. That's another thing. The type of white person who acts like this shit is above them even if they live in a country that was based on native suffering but HOLD IT YOU'RE BEING EXTREME and this problem is only unique to America like some holier than thou fuck stain who is above shit like this because they live in the Wintery Wonderland (tm) where there is no racism and only love, poutine, and hockey. Eat shit.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: zomgee on November 08, 2016, 03:46:02 PM
I got fished in.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Boredfrom on November 08, 2016, 03:48:05 PM
Fucking Canadians. That's another thing. The type of white person who acts like this shit is above them even if they live in a country that was based on native suffering but HOLD IT YOU'RE BEING EXTREME and this problem is only unique to America like some holier than thou fuck stain who is above shit like this because they live in the Wintery Wonderland (tm) where there is no racism and only love, poutine, and hockey. Eat shit.

The whole point is that shit is not above everybody, including race.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2016, 03:48:48 PM
My conundrum is:

1. I'm a white person.
2. I care about racial inequality.
3. But at the same time, I'm out of my depth. I both admit and have been told that I can't relate to the black experience in America, because I can't.
4. I've also been told I can't be an "ally" because white liberals don't really care, and I don't want to act like I can speak for (or at) the black community.

So for now I basically have to be content with doing nothing for non-whites other than voting for Democrats and pro-black policies. Sucks but whatever.

You are fine.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: VomKriege on November 08, 2016, 03:50:31 PM
I unfortunately don't think it's just the politics "game" (though certainly it made things way more acute). But really I was serious in my previous post : Pardon me in advance if it's hyperbole but you are free to Marcus Garvey / Black Panther yourself up to the max if you so wish and to remove yourself from some interactions with white people (though you'll maybe still have to deal with the Man for taxes and assorted stuff). It's maybe not the politically correct thing to say because we're all expecting the imminent release of that perfect post-racial society™ any day now, and that's not something I believe goes the right way, but I'm not in your shoes you know ? As I said, so long as it's legal... Live and let live. Because really, I don't think there's any miracle dust or magic argument we'll be able to summon in an Internet thread. I'd say travelling in a foreign country might help you exit an environment that you currently feel as toxic and maybe gain different perspectives, but the money and/or time to be able to do this is in short supply for quite a number of people (myself included).

I'm a big lover of the book "Guns, Germs and Steel" and I always wonder what it would have been like if someone other than western Europe hit the Industrial Revolution first... like say, the Ming Dynasty didn't halt the Chinese navy, or a Mesoamerican civilization industrialized while Europe was still stuck in the Dark Ages. Would the people who ruled over be more or less bloodthirsty as the whites of the colonial era?

They probably would have. I mean Genghis Khan didn't have to be taught by some European dude...
Though Europe was already on top of its game about that colonization stuff in the "dark" ages. (Raymond IV of Toulouse yo)
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2016, 03:54:05 PM
I agree Vom.

My problem is the emotion of hate. It is tiring and hurtful. How do I get past that emotion? It needs to go away.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Boredfrom on November 08, 2016, 03:57:37 PM
I unfortunately don't think it's just the politics "game" (though certainly it made things way more acute).

Well, that is clear that because the reaction of "canadian scum". But I will say that going full BP is a stupid idea regardless of being PC or not, specially because there is a admition that there were normalcy some years ago.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2016, 03:59:01 PM
Why is going full Black Panthers stupid exactly?
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 08, 2016, 04:00:18 PM
Look Himu, its a shit sandwich being a discriminated minority and it's not fair, but turning inwards won't win any fights and you have to be stronger then that.

My grandma was in fucking Auschwitz and her dad died in the camps but she doesn't hate Germans and if she can get over it then who the fuck am I to get notions
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Boredfrom on November 08, 2016, 04:01:42 PM
Why is going full Black Panthers stupid exactly?

Becuase you said you were perfectly capable of not being obssesed about race or hate before Ferguson.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: eleuin on November 08, 2016, 04:02:26 PM
Just saying, what used to be the most powerful country in the world now has to choose between the two worst and almost cartoon like candidates as their leader. And its making people have nervous breakdowns all over the internet.

One day, you can have a leader like us.

(https://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1464866/justin-trudeau-gestures.jpg?w=400)

An American black man was just beaten to death by a random group in Toronto

This shit is everywhere
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: VomKriege on November 08, 2016, 04:02:34 PM
I dunno man. I wish I knew. I'll say hold for tomorrow : Trump voters will not vanish overnight, but maybe the constant hysteria (EMAIL ! FBI ! MOOZLEMS ! DEPORTATIONS !) will quiet down a little and you'll be able to catch your breath.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2016, 04:03:32 PM
Just saying, what used to be the most powerful country in the world now has to choose between the two worst and almost cartoon like candidates as their leader. And its making people have nervous breakdowns all over the internet.

One day, you can have a leader like us.

(https://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1464866/justin-trudeau-gestures.jpg?w=400)

An American black man was just beaten to death by a random group in Toronto

This shit is everywhere

Yup. Cacs think it's just an American thing.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on November 08, 2016, 04:04:20 PM
It should be pointed out that the vast majority of white people are not "I don't like black people and I think their culture is disgusting" level racist. There are plenty of vocal shitheads on the internet, but there are a lot more white people of the "Obama elected, racism over" variety of racist than card carrying cross-burner types. I understand your frustration, but it does seem like you're taking a toll on yourself by creating this monotlithic view of white people. Hell, you're giving a dude in South Boston a pass in this very thread - if you can concede someone there is aaight, you should know there are other people on that level.

I also find it hard to believe you find the entirety of white culture disgusting, but if that's how it is, fine, I'll just be over here eating chicken salad with basil aoili while watching Westworld and playing with Legos (which I know isn't the correct plural, but I'm so white that I don't even respect other white cultures)
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Raist on November 08, 2016, 04:11:51 PM
I agree Vom.

My problem is the emotion of hate. It is tiring and hurtful. How do I get past that emotion? It needs to go away.

Seek professional help. As in a therapist.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Tasty on November 08, 2016, 04:14:15 PM
My conundrum is:

1. I'm a white person.
2. I care about racial inequality.
3. But at the same time, I'm out of my depth. I both admit and have been told that I can't relate to the black experience in America, because I can't.
4. I've also been told I can't be an "ally" because white liberals don't really care, and I don't want to act like I can speak for (or at) the black community.

So for now I basically have to be content with doing nothing for non-whites other than voting for Democrats and pro-black policies. Sucks but whatever.

I wouldn't see you as an "ally" or an enemy to be fair. Calling out racism is great, the only problem is if you decide you know what's best for another race or how they should be(a trap many white liberals fall into).

All you have to do is not treat anyone differently because of their race, a decent person is decent and an asshole is an asshole. And just understand that you won't understand fully. You already do that so you're good.

Sure, obviously, just wish I could do more.

My conundrum is:

1. I'm a white person.
2. I care about racial inequality.
3. But at the same time, I'm out of my depth. I both admit and have been told that I can't relate to the black experience in America, because I can't.
4. I've also been told I can't be an "ally" because white liberals don't really care, and I don't want to act like I can speak for (or at) the black community.

So for now I basically have to be content with doing nothing for non-whites other than voting for Democrats and pro-black policies. Sucks but whatever.

You are fine.

Thanks. :)
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 08, 2016, 04:20:33 PM
Its kind of lame my grandma story gets ignored, ad Im the only one here that has had family murdered over their ethnicity in here but whatever I'm white so it doesn't count I guess
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2016, 04:24:57 PM
I just picked up medicine and haven't gotten the chance to respond asshole
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 04:40:18 PM
Come on, guys, for real, I voted for Hillary today and somehow that's not good enough?!
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: stufte on November 08, 2016, 04:48:41 PM
When you dive deep into activism, the negative is usually the thing that gets amplified. I was hugely politically active in the 90's for gay rights and all the negativity ate away at my soul. I had to step back and take care of myself and my immediate circle of friends/family, and it helped a lot. I try to take every person and their opinion as individuals instead of as a group. If you find yourself being hateful of an entire group of people, especially based on the color of their skin, it's time to take a step back for your own health/well being. It's not good for you or anyone else.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Trurl on November 08, 2016, 04:55:05 PM
Its kind of lame my grandma story gets ignored, ad Im the only one here that has had family murdered over their ethnicity in here but whatever I'm white so it doesn't count I guess
Also the fact that it didn't happen to you.   Not saying that I think it's good to hold a grudge against all white people, but there's a more delicate way to express that than invoking the Holocaust.   I've never known a Holocaust survivor but I'm sure that plenty of them hate the whole German people, others have found forgiveness and others fall anywhere in between.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 08, 2016, 05:21:16 PM
Im not jewish gross
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2016, 05:23:16 PM
Look Himu, its a shit sandwich being a discriminated minority and it's not fair, but turning inwards won't win any fights and you have to be stronger then that.

My grandma was in fucking Auschwitz and her dad died in the camps but she doesn't hate Germans and if she can get over it then who the fuck am I to get notions

Your comparison would be apt if white people actively made steps to improving the lives of people they colonized and fucked without lube. Instead they create false platitudes that do nothing but make themselves feel better and take away their own involvement ("racism is over" "I'm color blind" "we live in a multicultural society" "I'm Canadian!") or they seek to alter history to make their acts not as bad (Texas history textbooks being altered to make it seem like the antebellum slavery was self inflicted and the slaves were well provided for and happy!).

Germany? After WWII Germany made it illegal to have a Nazi uniform or flag. America allowed confederate flags to still exist under the guise of "freedom" despite being a symbol of racism. Germany? Germany went into thorough attempts to educate a new generation so nazi-Ism is uniformly seen as a gross injustice and platform to partake in. America? we gloss over the harsh realities of the past that minorities faced (even the Irish!). Germany paid reparations to Jewish people while white Americans recoil at the mere thought despite it being justified.

Germany, as a culture and society, gives plenty of room to forgive because they have made sure that nothing like the holocaust will ever happen again. To black people, the holocaust is still happening and many white people refuse to accept it.

Our circumstances couldn't be further apart. Never mind that my grandpa, although he wasn't murdered, almost was, and by his own co workers. I have personally beaten up and called a niggerr. Have you? Has a German personally socked you in the gut and called you a filthy Jew? Because I have. While your family has had awful history on this, it is no longer a threat to your life, family, or livelihood. It is the definition of false equivalence. Since you're splitting hairs, my cousin is the daughter of a former slave and still alive. While it's nice your grandma doesn't hate Germany, she's got more than a few reasons why doesn't need to. White people tho? Oh, all lives matter. Why do they have their own month? Why do they have their own tv channel? Why do they always talk about race? Meanwhile white people took the lessons of WWII (blaming a foreign group as the root of all of our problems) and are literally believe they can build a wall to keep Mexicans out or get out of the Eu to keep Arabs out.

If white society as a whole admitted they have a problem and were willing to talk and discuss how to fix it, we wouldn't be talking about this.

But we are.

Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Tasty on November 08, 2016, 05:27:29 PM
Im not jewish gross

^
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 08, 2016, 05:31:24 PM
But a whole lot don't, too. I just explained to my parents the other day how our private prison industry is modern day de facto slavery, there's a huge group of white people who are ignorant to that kind of shit, willfully or not.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2016, 05:32:34 PM
A lot of white society does though, Himuro. Maybe not to the lengths that you'd like or should be done, but quite a few at least understand it's still a problem that needs to be solved.

A lot of white society does what exactly? If it's not black people, it's some other minority. If it's not another minority they need to feel better than, it's the poor white people ("poor white trash" et al). Because that's their culture.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: stufte on November 08, 2016, 05:36:19 PM
A lot of white society does though, Himuro. Maybe not to the lengths that you'd like or should be done, but quite a few at least understand it's still a problem that needs to be solved.

A lot of white society does what exactly? If it's not black people, it's some other minority. If it's another minority they need to feel better than, it's the poor ("poor white trash" et al). Because that's their culture.

Yah, no.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 05:39:40 PM
Americans are crazy, man.

Jesus.
WHY DON'T YOU COME DOWN HERE AND SAY THAT HUH?!?

USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 08, 2016, 05:41:26 PM
A lot of white society does though, Himuro. Maybe not to the lengths that you'd like or should be done, but quite a few at least understand it's still a problem that needs to be solved.

A lot of white society does what exactly? If it's not black people, it's some other minority. If it's another minority they need to feel better than, it's the poor ("poor white trash" et al). Because that's their culture.

Yah, no.

No, yeah. I wouldn't say it's entirely unique to white people, as Wrath has illustrated, but the western world's culture has its roots in exploitative capitalism, imperialism, etc.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: bork on November 08, 2016, 05:47:38 PM
I agree Vom.

My problem is the emotion of hate. It is tiring and hurtful. How do I get past that emotion? It needs to go away.

Seek professional help. As in a therapist.

This.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Huff on November 08, 2016, 05:50:28 PM
More importantly

If I didn't tag myself voting on facebook did I even vote?  :huh
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 08, 2016, 05:51:22 PM
Fuck that response. Seriously. It's like "whoa there, sure society created these pressures on you, gave you the genetic memories of oppression, but you can't talk about it in a public arena! That's for professionals to handle!" Nerve struck alert
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Tasty on November 08, 2016, 05:52:13 PM
No, yeah. I wouldn't say it's entirely unique to white people, as Wrath has illustrated, but the western world's culture has its roots in exploitative capitalism, imperialism, etc.

For the record, China is just as exploitative and capitalistic as we are (these days.)

Human nature sucks sometimes.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 08, 2016, 05:53:09 PM
Well, they gotta compete in a global market, right? Yeah humanity needs an overhaul
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 08, 2016, 05:53:17 PM
Im happy to find out conquering other tribes is an exclusive past time of white people

Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 08, 2016, 05:53:52 PM
Literally no one said that
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: stufte on November 08, 2016, 05:56:06 PM
Fuck that response. Seriously. It's like "whoa there, sure society created these pressures on you, gave you the genetic memories of oppression, but you can't talk about it in a public arena! That's for professionals to handle!" Nerve struck alert

genetic memories of oppression?? wtf is this, assassin's creed?
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2016, 05:57:14 PM
Go back to the gaf thread plz
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 08, 2016, 05:57:30 PM
As a white person, I'm constantly baffled by the hoops my fellow pale pals jump through to put blinders on to the majority culture of oppression and exploitation anytime someone labels it white
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 08, 2016, 05:58:30 PM
Fuck that response. Seriously. It's like "whoa there, sure society created these pressures on you, gave you the genetic memories of oppression, but you can't talk about it in a public arena! That's for professionals to handle!" Nerve struck alert

genetic memories of oppression?? wtf is this, assassin's creed?

http://bfy.tw/8eLx
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 08, 2016, 05:58:57 PM
strange its almost like its distinguished mentally-challenged racism making assumptions based on skin colour
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: stufte on November 08, 2016, 06:02:21 PM
Go back to the gaf thread plz

why? did you just want your OP validated for you? Do you want us to all tell you it's ok to be racist? Like I said in my previous post in here, you seriously need to take a step back.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 08, 2016, 06:02:57 PM
You realize you look like a petulant child when you refuse to further discuss  or acknowledge exploitation and oppression because someone in a round about way grouped you in with the oppressors? Boo hoo not all whites, okay fine, some whites aren't actively, willingly causing oppression -- but it still exists.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 06:03:46 PM
yo if black people want to stop getting harassed by cops maybe they should stop committing crimes like Fast and Furious, targeting people with the IRS, letting Iran get nuclear weapons, using the military too much, covering up Benghazi and Clinton e-mails, ruining health insurance with big government, deporting millions, murder droning Americans without trial, not reaching peace with Iran, murder droning foreigners just because, cutting the military to the bone, putting their feet on the people's desk, restricting the second amendment, importing illegals, NSA spying, Solyndra, etc.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: VomKriege on November 08, 2016, 06:06:21 PM
Fuck that response. Seriously. It's like "whoa there, sure society created these pressures on you, gave you the genetic memories of oppression, but you can't talk about it in a public arena! That's for professionals to handle!" Nerve struck alert

It doesn't sound too unreasonable to suggest that in response specifically to being eaten alive by a negative emotion you are not able to control.
I don't think anyone is saying that opinions & grievances at systemic racial issues can be adressed by medecine.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 08, 2016, 06:07:59 PM
Fair enough, like I said, it just strikes a nerve to me as it is a common occurrence in American culture for people's issues to be dismissed as clinical problems to be solved on a couch or with a bottle of pills
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2016, 06:09:41 PM
Fuck that response. Seriously. It's like "whoa there, sure society created these pressures on you, gave you the genetic memories of oppression, but you can't talk about it in a public arena! That's for professionals to handle!" Nerve struck alert

It doesn't sound too unreasonable to suggest that in response specifically to being eaten alive by a negative emotion you are not able to control.
I don't think anyone is saying that opinions & grievances at systemic racial issues can be adressed by medecine.

I certainly agree. I don't think it's good. It's why I made the thread. But it is a strong emotion that I can't help.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 08, 2016, 06:12:40 PM
Yeah, I'm catching your wave. I'm just at the point where I feel if there's anyone who should be able to take a generalization on the chin and move past it to see the valid pain, criticisms, etc it's uncle whitey
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2016, 06:13:22 PM
Great article that fully encompasses my views.

http://racebaitr.com/2015/10/09/why-i-dont-talk-to-white-people/
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 08, 2016, 06:14:07 PM
lol I'm sorry but I giggled at the URL (gonna go read it now)
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 08, 2016, 06:14:45 PM
Himuro, it seems you are becoming a radical. Usually this happens because of other issues but it manifests itself like this as you feel helpless to attend those.

Not saying these aren't real issues but usually there are other things that would make someone become radical.

Talking to a professional might help.

Im saying this as a guy that only vaguely has seen you post over the years, but you've never been this extreme.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 08, 2016, 06:17:28 PM
You dont become number 1 world dominators by ignoring insults

but you guys wouldnt know
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 08, 2016, 06:17:54 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
:umad
[close]
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: stufte on November 08, 2016, 06:23:11 PM
Yeah, I'm catching your wave. I'm just at the point where I feel if there's anyone who should be able to take a generalization on the chin and move past it to see the valid pain, criticisms, etc it's uncle whitey

I agree. Sorry white boreans, but I do kinda laugh at you when you get angry at being blanketed most of the time. Seems to be the easiest shit to brush off and ignored to me.

I won't hate y'all for it though, as much as it might bother you I see it as ignorance.

I'm just keen on being treated with the same respect that is being asked of me. I think that a mutual respect goes a long way, and if people want to be lazy and make blanket statements about the entirety of a race that I am a part of, then it does piss me off a bit. I'm an individual. I'm of Irish descent (and 1 drop rule and all that, I'm also a dash of Togo descent as well). Me being annoyed doesn't mean I'm ignoring anything either.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 08, 2016, 06:25:27 PM
Meh Nvm I didn't read everything and I'm not about to (this was a response to stufte at first)
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2016, 06:31:54 PM
Himuro, it seems you are becoming a radical. Usually this happens because of other issues but it manifests itself like this as you feel helpless to attend those.

Not saying these aren't real issues but usually there are other things that would make someone become radical.

Talking to a professional might help.

Im saying this as a guy that only vaguely has seen you post over the years, but you've never been this extreme.

Maybe I am becoming a radical. But to say I'm turning into a radical without justified phenomena or experience doesn't make much sense to me.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: stufte on November 08, 2016, 06:41:47 PM
Yeah, I'm catching your wave. I'm just at the point where I feel if there's anyone who should be able to take a generalization on the chin and move past it to see the valid pain, criticisms, etc it's uncle whitey

I agree. Sorry white boreans, but I do kinda laugh at you when you get angry at being blanketed most of the time. Seems to be the easiest shit to brush off and ignored to me.

I won't hate y'all for it though, as much as it might bother you I see it as ignorance.

I'm just keen on being treated with the same respect that is being asked of me. I think that a mutual respect goes a long way, and if people want to be lazy and make blanket statements about the entirety of a race that I am a part of, then it does piss me off a bit. I'm an individual. I'm of Irish descent (and 1 drop rule and all that, I'm also a dash of Togo descent as well). Me being annoyed doesn't mean I'm ignoring anything either.

Dude, we're cool. You know that. I think we've had this discussion before. Hell, I'm defending white people in this very thread. Just saying that I won't lie about the fact that it's hard for me to relate to it since I've been treated with much worse and learned to brush it off.

I won't treat you awfully just because you're white, though. You'll be treated exactly like everybody else. I do get why it bothers you and others, though. Won't fully write it off, just saying that I find it comical personally.

And Himu, you know you're my gal. It really sucks that you feel that way and I hope you find the peace you crave.

Oh I know, it was just a general response to the sentiment.   :respect
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Raist on November 08, 2016, 06:53:37 PM
Fuck that response. Seriously. It's like "whoa there, sure society created these pressures on you, gave you the genetic memories of oppression, but you can't talk about it in a public arena! That's for professionals to handle!" Nerve struck alert

Anger / hate is a very common manifestations of depression.
It's not a coincidence that the 2nd question any medical professional would ask you is "do you have any thoughts about harming others" right after "do you have suicidal thoughts".
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Mupepe on November 08, 2016, 06:56:43 PM
I believe it was nudemacuser that once said “Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: curly on November 08, 2016, 07:18:06 PM
I can't really find fault with you disliking or avoiding white people because there really are a lot of racist white people, including The Good Ones. Racism and privileged ignorance go deep.

I do think you're creating a sort of monolithic view of whiteness for yourself. Whiteness and white culture is as confused and contradictory as any identity we force upon a group of people. For example looking down on the poors of your own ethnic group isn't a reflection of some unique aspect of whiteness as it is a class dynamic that's repeated in basically every society. Not to get too ethnic studies here but whiteness is an arbitrary construct designed to maintain a power structure, not an essentialist identity (:expert).
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Rufus on November 08, 2016, 07:19:23 PM
nudemacuser wisely said, and I'm paraphrasing here: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

I got chills.
He got another one in before the snip? :whew
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 08, 2016, 08:06:05 PM
:drudge KEY RACE ALERT :drudge........it's nothing
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on November 08, 2016, 08:34:45 PM
Sidenote but I'm glad you're back here to some degree Himu. The rare poster than can drop in on a board after being gone for months and spawn a triple page banger in a few hours. Salute
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Positive Touch on November 08, 2016, 08:49:16 PM
*checks kosma posts in thread*

yup, white people
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: nudemacusers on November 08, 2016, 08:50:24 PM
nudemacuser wisely said, and I'm paraphrasing here: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

I got chills.
Four? Don't put this devilry on me before I lop my nuts off  >:(
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Positive Touch on November 08, 2016, 09:54:04 PM
*watching election results coming in*

yeah, fuck white people
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 09:55:42 PM
Just line me up against the wall now, brehs. I'm ready to go. :goty
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Positive Touch on November 08, 2016, 09:58:33 PM
bury me with my Final Fantasy figures and take me to weeaboo heaven Rumbler
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2016, 10:07:00 PM
*watching election results coming in*

yeah, fuck white people

Yup.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2016, 10:08:46 PM
This is your true face, cacs. Revel in the fake smiles.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Atramental on November 08, 2016, 10:10:05 PM
FUCKING CACS
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 08, 2016, 10:15:01 PM
Ah more like fuck Americans.  Also black turn out seems to be low.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: nudemacusers on November 08, 2016, 10:31:31 PM
At least my gated community will protect me  :doge
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 08, 2016, 10:34:33 PM
who you gated in with?
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: fizzel on November 08, 2016, 10:38:18 PM
France is next.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Bebpo on November 08, 2016, 10:39:00 PM
Ah more like fuck Americans.  Also black turn out seems to be low.

Which is crazy considering the alternative is letting the KKK candidate win.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 08, 2016, 10:42:07 PM
And crazy because Hilary has done a lot for black communities. 
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2016, 10:43:37 PM
Ah more like fuck Americans.  Also black turn out seems to be low.

Which is crazy considering the alternative is letting the KKK candidate win.

In a lot of the states so far, voter suppression is a thing. Especially the carolinas.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: VomKriege on November 08, 2016, 10:45:13 PM
France is next.

Things are shaping up for a second round between the conservatives and the far right, and worse possibly Sarkozy - Le Pen. Probably not great either way, even with a less horrible candidate than Sarkozy.

Cannot rule out, if things continue that way, that France may have a Frexit moment too.

A Trump victory would embolden the far right in Europe and I would expect some possible massive breaks in the alliance and defence setup, if only because US leadership will suffer.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Bebpo on November 08, 2016, 10:45:45 PM
France is next.

It's true though.  Just as the world was starting to become more social progressive, we're hitting a time where everyone's getting scared and regressing.  I blame the rise of visible terrorism, the falling world economy post 2008 (thanks USA) and I seriously blame the goddamn internet.  The internet has enabled the uneducated to join meme machine bandwagons and reiterate lies and deteriorated actual truth in the world.  The fact a huge online side of trump supporters are reddit/gamergate types (aka enabled white manchildren) is disgusting.  The spread of available knowledge with the internet should have lead to a more progressive world.  Instead we have reddit. 
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 10:51:22 PM
Ah more like fuck Americans.  Also black turn out seems to be low.

Which is crazy considering the alternative is letting the KKK candidate win.

In a lot of the states so far, voter suppression is a thing. Especially the carolinas.

NC GOP sent out a release crowing about how black early voting was down and white early voting was up. :comeon
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Bebpo on November 08, 2016, 10:58:20 PM
The worst part of this isn't even the presidency.  I can live with 4 shitty years of Trump as long as he doesn't launch any nukes and start WW3 (even though he's gonna end up repealing Obamacare and get rid of pre-existing condition lockouts which will effect me directly and could possibly kill me),

But the Supreme Court picks are going to swing the SC red for decades and totally fuck the USA.  Worst thing is Obama should've gotten his replacement locked in.  It was bullshit that they stalled it.

I know it's retrospect and all at this point, but the pure antagonizing hate towards Obama for 8 years from the right should've been a flag that the right are pissed and gonna come out in droves one of these days.  For a follow up to Obama, Dems really should've played it straight with a normal white guy and let the hate on the right simmer down for a period before trying to run a woman or minority sadly.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 08, 2016, 10:58:50 PM
Darkest timeline confirmed

Whitest timeline?
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 11:01:11 PM
Whitest timeline?

Elizabeth Warren 2020
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: eleuin on November 08, 2016, 11:16:03 PM
firmly on the fuck cacs train now
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Mr. Nobody on November 08, 2016, 11:22:55 PM
One thing I've noticed from lots of white people on both sides of the aisle is they find it very hard to accept that black people can hate white people for treating them like human garbage for years while simultaneously finding the fact that lots of white people hate black people because of the color of their skin not too difficult.

I wonder why that is  :doge
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Kara on November 08, 2016, 11:43:05 PM
Germany? After WWII Germany made it illegal to have a Nazi uniform or flag. America allowed confederate flags to still exist under the guise of "freedom" despite being a symbol of racism. Germany? Germany went into thorough attempts to educate a new generation so nazi-Ism is uniformly seen as a gross injustice and platform to partake in. America? we gloss over the harsh realities of the past that minorities faced (even the Irish!). Germany paid reparations to Jewish people while white Americans recoil at the mere thought despite it being justified.

Please don't airbrush the utter failure of the FRG to engage in meaningful Denazification.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 08, 2016, 11:46:54 PM
lol you done fucked up, wtf losers
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2016, 11:56:50 PM
Welp
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 08, 2016, 11:58:41 PM
I seriously cant believe it
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on November 09, 2016, 12:00:39 AM
nm you were completely right
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Yulwei on November 09, 2016, 12:06:20 AM
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Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 12:19:04 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqdDjNAyPdA
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: zomgee on November 09, 2016, 12:24:14 AM
France is next.

It's true though.  Just as the world was starting to become more social progressive, we're hitting a time where everyone's getting scared and regressing.  I blame the rise of visible terrorism, the falling world economy post 2008 (thanks USA) and I seriously blame the goddamn internet.  The internet has enabled the uneducated to join meme machine bandwagons and reiterate lies and deteriorated actual truth in the world.  The fact a huge online side of trump supporters are reddit/gamergate types (aka enabled white manchildren) is disgusting.  The spread of available knowledge with the internet should have lead to a more progressive world.  Instead we have reddit.

Fuck it, I'll take it further than that. Since we can have everything in a single click on the Internet, what's considered news these days has turned to bite sized clickbait shit, including broadcast TV. TV news has to keep up with all the eyeballs of the Internet, so the lowest common denominator of information along with a 3 second factoid completely devoid of research passes for news.

Not that network news' pursuit of ratings is anything new, but it just seems more brazen.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2016, 12:40:30 AM
nm you were completely right

?
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: toku on November 09, 2016, 12:43:19 AM
We're gonna be alright.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 01:38:35 AM
Wypipo have spoken. All the waffling i've been doing over the last 16 months about leaving here forever is over, i guess. They just don't want people like me here.

Time to #amerexit.
Will you be needing a personal accountant/butler?
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Dennis on November 09, 2016, 02:02:22 AM
The "fuck white people" mentality turned out white people in droves to vote for Trump so good job I guess.

It is a cancerous mindset and now America has cancer.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 09, 2016, 02:13:36 AM
I read this post/thread this morning and I had this :smug smarmy reply I was gonna post but now? Let the hate flow freely tbh
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 09, 2016, 02:14:49 AM
Also, fuck 2017 thru 2020
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Kara on November 09, 2016, 02:33:01 AM
The "fuck white people" mentality turned out white people in droves to vote for Trump so good job I guess.

It is a cancerous mindset and now America has cancer.

Just to show how ludicrous 2016 has been, Dennis thinks he can argue words hurt and no one will call him out on his bullshit.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: TVC15 on November 09, 2016, 02:43:26 AM
Can I get a "fuck America," people?
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Raist on November 09, 2016, 02:55:29 AM
The "fuck white people" mentality turned out white people in droves to vote for Trump so good job I guess.

It is a cancerous mindset and now America has cancer.

Brexit 2.0
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: helios on November 09, 2016, 04:44:48 AM
Darkest timeline confirmed

Whitest timeline?

This is the Whitest timeline now.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Trent Dole on November 09, 2016, 04:50:54 AM
More like White Supremacist timeline.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on November 09, 2016, 06:56:18 AM
The "fuck white people" mentality turned out white people in droves to vote for Trump so good job I guess.

It is a cancerous mindset and now America has cancer.
Man, I hate this 4KDennis gimmick
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Rufus on November 09, 2016, 07:08:53 AM
Germany? After WWII Germany made it illegal to have a Nazi uniform or flag. America allowed confederate flags to still exist under the guise of "freedom" despite being a symbol of racism. Germany? Germany went into thorough attempts to educate a new generation so nazi-Ism is uniformly seen as a gross injustice and platform to partake in. America? we gloss over the harsh realities of the past that minorities faced (even the Irish!). Germany paid reparations to Jewish people while white Americans recoil at the mere thought despite it being justified.

Please don't airbrush the utter failure of the FRG to engage in meaningful Denazification.
I was too tired to "actually" this yesterday. Good to know you're here to pick up the slack. :heart
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: VomKriege on November 09, 2016, 07:31:23 AM
I'm not one to pass on the opportunity to kick down le Boche and while all of what you say is true (on top of the fact that "denazification" was first engaged at the behest of the foreign occupying powers, in the same half assed manner to my understanding as it was not practical to break Germany beyond a certain point) I don't think one can deny that the WW2 aftermath did force some European self-reflection on those matters and led to a strong backlash against some casual racism that was a fact of life (mostly antisemitism, colonization didn't die overnight even if ultimately it was brought down by the same apparent "revealed" contradictions), though it unfortunately seems that this pushback is  relying on how strong the memories of shame and trauma are, and those will fade out with time.

All that to say that I don't think the point QoI made was without merit : there's definitely an American specificity to how institutionalized racism played out compared to Europe. Even if it was only Europeans affecting to not be as blatant about it in their mainland and their core expressed values.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: chronovore on November 09, 2016, 07:34:09 AM
FUCKING CACS

Is this in response to Trump winning or you getting rejected by every white girl?

Neither, he was just restating his goal.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: chronovore on November 09, 2016, 07:37:26 AM
We're gonna be alright.

I saw a post in the politics thread, showing the five stages of grief. It dawned on me that as we are moving forward as a species, a portion of us, those who fear change, are also in grief for their changing lifestyle. Trump's election is the embodiment of their anger at disenfranchisement. Though I think this is horrible for us as a nation, and as a species, I also think it's a temporary setback.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 09, 2016, 10:14:51 AM
Can you let me know too?  I'd like a cabinet position. 
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Mr. Nobody on November 09, 2016, 11:14:35 AM
Wypipo have spoken. All the waffling i've been doing over the last 16 months about leaving here forever is over, i guess. They just don't want people like me here.

Time to #amerexit.
Will you be needing a personal accountant/butler?

Be Benson brehs  :doge
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Kara on November 09, 2016, 11:22:00 AM
I'm not one to pass on the opportunity to kick down le Boche and while all of what you say is true (on top of the fact that "denazification" was first engaged at the behest of the foreign occupying powers, in the same half assed manner to my understanding as it was not practical to break Germany beyond a certain point) I don't think one can deny that the WW2 aftermath did force some European self-reflection on those matters and led to a strong backlash against some casual racism that was a fact of life (mostly antisemitism, colonization didn't die overnight even if ultimately it was brought down by the same apparent "revealed" contradictions), though it unfortunately seems that this pushback is  relying on how strong the memories of shame and trauma are, and those will fade out with time.

All that to say that I don't think the point QoI made was without merit : there's definitely an American specificity to how institutionalized racism played out compared to Europe. Even if it was only Europeans affecting to not be as blatant about it in their mainland and their core expressed values.

In America racist symbols are generally allowed de jure.

In Germany some racist symbols aren't allowed. In Germany you also have the NSU-Morde going unsolved for far too long (and the BfV destroying evidence it had on the neo-Nazis responsible for those murders after the neo-Nazi element came to light), the approximately equal surveillance of Die Linke and neo-Nazi political parties, or the V-Mann program making it difficult if not impossible to meaningfully shut down neo-Nazi political parties.

Americans have, continue to, and possibly always will, engage in denial about their history of racism (in both the public and quasi-public spheres) which is infuriating to anyone possessing a shred of familiarity with the history of those things.

Europeans (not just Germans) pay lip service to their crimes of the 20th Century after their continent was ethnically cleansed of the group that they tortured, repressed, and murdered for centuries. I commend them for closing the barn door after it had been left open overnight. For a week.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 09, 2016, 11:31:43 AM
Now seems like a good time to read Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 05:18:15 PM
Now seems like a good time to read Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail.
It's got the same ending.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2016, 08:18:01 PM
I'm at the stage of anger.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: chronovore on November 09, 2016, 08:58:13 PM
I'm at the stage of anger.
I looked at the district map for Texas last night. It was blue on the west side of the peninsula, and each of the four major cities. The cities just looked... surrounded.

I know you want to head for California, but maybe you could consider Canada? From what my friends tell me, black people are treated there the way we pretend they're treated in the USA.

It's hard to advise for abdication, but Texas looks like shithead central to me today. I hope you can live the life you deserve.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: nachobro on November 09, 2016, 09:01:00 PM
I always recommend New Mexico too. Nice folks in a blue state plus excellent tacos and green chile!
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2016, 09:28:37 PM
I refuse to let go of my ambitions despite this election. California is still the goal. Canada has gatekeepers for the animation industry as they are one of the best creators for the field and are very protective of it and since I'm doing an alternative route to get into the industry Canada isn't the answer. In the past, I would have loved to look into looking abroad but I've settled that I want to stay and fight instead while achieving my career goals.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 09:29:03 PM
Oklahoma voted for Trump 65-29. :goty
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2016, 09:32:43 PM
I always recommend New Mexico too. Nice folks in a blue state plus excellent tacos and green chile!

I might consider this. There is an atelier in classical painting and drawing in Santa Fe. They seem legit as well. I'm not sure what contacts they have with the industry tho.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 09:55:44 PM
I'm at the stage of anger.
I looked at the district map for Texas last night. It was blue on the west side of the peninsula, and each of the four major cities. The cities just looked... surrounded.


Texas cities are really diverse, for sure: Houston is less than 50% white, San Antonio is more than 60% hispanic, Dallas is less than 50% white, Austin his a larger white population but is really liberal, El Paso is more than 80% hispanic. Houston and Dallas both have large Muslims communities. Recently, there's been a huge expansion of Asian businesses in north Dallas, from my own experience.

Once you're out of the cities, though, it's definitely CAC Town, though.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: mormapope on November 10, 2016, 08:41:03 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du_ouycoP1k
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Trent Dole on November 10, 2016, 08:46:20 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC9o7BDku8E
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 10, 2016, 09:43:10 AM
Oklahoma voted for Trump 65-29. :goty

(http://i.imgur.com/ZSl4R1a.png)

Norman, stop pretending to be Democrats.
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 10, 2016, 10:02:18 AM
Oklahoma voted for Trump 65-29. :goty

In 2012, it went 67-33 for Romney. Damn you, Gary Johnson!
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: nachobro on November 10, 2016, 01:24:18 PM
I might consider this. There is an atelier in classical painting and drawing in Santa Fe. They seem legit as well. I'm not sure what contacts they have with the industry tho.
Santa Fe is a great city for artists of all kinds. I'm about an hour south in Albuquerque but if you ever feel like checking out the state you're welcome here :)
Title: Re: This US election, white people, and the aftermath
Post by: Himu on November 10, 2016, 02:08:55 PM
From the gaf thread where Fistful admits he had a blind spot on the rust belt and concentrated too much on social issues and Trump's awfulness:

It was a blind spot for me too. I've never really been to the rust belt. I've been to the country plenty of times - I'm from Texas so of course - but it's hard for me to reconcile it because that way of life is so foreign to me. I don't know anyone in the country and all the people I know from the country don't live in the country because there's better opportunities in the city. I have lived in a bubble and didn't recognize that the fact people have to move to cities is partly part of the problem. You shouldn't have to have your way of life die out because of the absence of the very political policy that promises to assist all of us. It's a hard pill to swallow...but I get it now. David Wong was right. Thisismyusername was right too. Dems and Republicans fucked up. When you see someone like Trump willing to topple over both establishments and your way of life is crumbling and you can't find a fucking job, you're gonna want to cry out for help. I know that for all my criticisms of Hillary and even Obama, I've been willing to look away because they will help *me* but I've unfortunately lived life without the self awareness that people may have legitimate grievance. More than anything, we need someone to help out rural and middle America and not on empty promises and not in a manner that affects the environment in a negative way (i.e. bringing back coal).

I've said on here and on gaf that white people are racist, but it's ultimately an amalgamation of my fear, of my hurt, of my pain. It could have been potentially harmful and destructive and I just didn't give a shit.

So in that way, I can see where they're coming from. I know personally that when you're in pain, you go swinging no matter where it lands and no matter who it hurts. It's a very human quality. I have had so much anger the past few years since Ferguson that I have not aired pubicly until it ballooned into what it is now. After the election I let it out in a reasonable, not angry way to people I know in real life, and my fear and distrust of white people and I've gotten support from all manners of people and backgrounds. It has forced me to reconsider my position and realize that my words were not skillful and caused nothing but harm.

I am locking this thread because it was harmful and contains some of the harshest emotions I have ever felt. It shouldn't have been made in the first place and I apologize.