People are shitheads no matter what the race. Yes this culture of ours produces a system where racism is entrenched and easily passed down but that's a cultural and historic problem. That is America.
People are generally fine on an individual level but when they group up they become morons.
One of them was. My other grandma is Cherokee. My Grandfather was a good ol' Kentucky boy - papa too.
And y'all think I'm the crazy one :ufup
One thing I've noticed from lots of white people on both sides of the aisle is they find it very hard to accept that black people can hate white people for treating them like human garbage for years while simultaneously finding the fact that lots of white people hate black people because of the color of their skin not too difficult.
I have to imagine that the good white people excusing racism from their family members gets old.
Your grandmother was Mexican. I do not filter you as white in my head.
I have to imagine that the good white people excusing racism from their family members gets old.
I argue with my immediate family all of the time but not family outside of that.I have to imagine that the good white people excusing racism from their family members gets old.
How do you reach people who don't want to be reached or want to learn to accept?
Better yet, here's my problem, right here: I, me... I am not willing to tell my family otherwise. So there, it's me. *I* may very well be the problem. Words and not actions.
All I can really say here is that the issues you have are not with all white people. They're with a particular group of people. Is this stuff stemming from Internet idiocy or actual real-life local interactions and conversations? If it's the latter...maybe it's time for a location change. I thought you were heading to California?
But I can't relate here-- No racists (or Trump supporters :doge) in my family.
All I can really say here is that the issues you have are not with all white people. They're with a particular group of people. Is this stuff stemming from Internet idiocy or actual real-life local interactions and conversations? If it's the latter...maybe it's time for a location change. I thought you were heading to California?
But I can't relate here-- No racists (or Trump supporters :doge) in my family.
I'm not so sure about that. If you are white, and have shown yourself to be cool, then fine. I certainly think that of many on this forum that I've talked to for over a decade. Some of whom are in this very thread.
But then there's the fact that most people online and offline, have shown to people one should err on the side of caution. You've got the Trump supporters who are totally voting for him because of the "issues", you've got former Trump supporters who were totally fine with him until his sexist tape was released, you've got the media (mostly operated by white people) that gloss over Trump's racism and xenophobia to be "fair and balanced", you have white people who are convinced that Trump and Hillary are totally the same and on the same level and live in la la land, you've got white liberals and "progressives" who told us that we should vote Bernie because we don't know what's good for us (note: I voted and campaigned for Bernie despite this and had to stomach this white cac shit show). Black people want people (namely the police, who are supposed to be enforcers of law) to stop killing us in cold blood. Well guess what, BLUE LIVES MATTER TOO. I had to endure for 8 years, rumors and heresay that our president was a Muslim athiest communist dictator fascist on the premise that he was black. When a 12 year old kid gets shot down from police, people defend it. Fascism is brewing in Europe, Britain voted to leave the EU on the premise of protecting it from the Muslim menace. France has voted to outlaw muslim bikinis for some reason. From the media, to the most white organizations, to governance, to elected officials, to every day people that support it white people have shown that they are a culture incapable of basic human empathy and are dog shit with some exceptions.
As for California, things happened and my move was delayed. Plans have been altered but it's still the plan.
how am i supposed to take a break exactly? after the election those people aren't going away.
All I can really say here is that the issues you have are not with all white people. They're with a particular group of people. Is this stuff stemming from Internet idiocy or actual real-life local interactions and conversations? If it's the latter...maybe it's time for a location change. I thought you were heading to California?
But I can't relate here-- No racists (or Trump supporters :doge) in my family.
I'm not so sure about that. If you are white, and have shown yourself to be cool, then fine. I certainly think that of many on this forum that I've talked to for over a decade. Some of whom are in this very thread.
But then there's the fact that most people online and offline, have shown to people one should err on the side of caution. You've got the Trump supporters who are totally voting for him because of the "issues", you've got former Trump supporters who were totally fine with him until his sexist tape was released, you've got the media (mostly operated by white people) that gloss over Trump's racism and xenophobia to be "fair and balanced", you have white people who are convinced that Trump and Hillary are totally the same and on the same level and live in la la land, you've got white liberals and "progressives" who told us that we should vote Bernie because we don't know what's good for us (note: I voted and campaigned for Bernie despite this and had to stomach this white cac shit show). Black people want people (namely the police, who are supposed to be enforcers of law) to stop killing us in cold blood. Well guess what, BLUE LIVES MATTER TOO. I had to endure for 8 years, rumors and heresay that our president was a Muslim athiest communist dictator fascist on the premise that he was black. When a 12 year old kid gets shot down from police, people defend it. Fascism is brewing in Europe, Britain voted to leave the EU on the premise of protecting it from the Muslim menace. France has voted to outlaw muslim bikinis for some reason. From the media, to the most white organizations, to governance, to elected officials, to every day people that support it white people have shown that they are a culture incapable of basic human empathy and are dog shit with some exceptions.
Americans are crazy, man.
Jesus.
I'm a big lover of the book "Guns, Germs and Steel" and I always wonder what it would have been like if someone other than western Europe hit the Industrial Revolution first... like say, the Ming Dynasty didn't halt the Chinese navy, or a Mesoamerican civilization industrialized while Europe was still stuck in the Dark Ages. Would the people who ruled over be more or less bloodthirsty as the whites of the colonial era?
"Take a break black person living in the South"
- White people on the internet
I'm a big lover of the book "Guns, Germs and Steel" and I always wonder what it would have been like if someone other than western Europe hit the Industrial Revolution first... like say, the Ming Dynasty didn't halt the Chinese navy, or a Mesoamerican civilization industrialized while Europe was still stuck in the Dark Ages. Would the people who ruled over be more or less bloodthirsty as the whites of the colonial era?
My conundrum is:
1. I'm a white person.
2. I care about racial inequality.
3. But at the same time, I'm out of my depth. I both admit and have been told that I can't relate to the black experience in America, because I can't.
4. I've also been told I can't be an "ally" because white liberals don't really care, and I don't want to act like I can speak for (or at) the black community.
So for now I basically have to be content with doing nothing for non-whites other than voting for Democrats and pro-black policies. Sucks but whatever.
Fucking Canadians. That's another thing. The type of white person who acts like this shit is above them even if they live in a country that was based on native suffering but HOLD IT YOU'RE BEING EXTREME and this problem is only unique to America like some holier than thou fuck stain who is above shit like this because they live in the Wintery Wonderland (tm) where there is no racism and only love, poutine, and hockey. Eat shit.
My conundrum is:
1. I'm a white person.
2. I care about racial inequality.
3. But at the same time, I'm out of my depth. I both admit and have been told that I can't relate to the black experience in America, because I can't.
4. I've also been told I can't be an "ally" because white liberals don't really care, and I don't want to act like I can speak for (or at) the black community.
So for now I basically have to be content with doing nothing for non-whites other than voting for Democrats and pro-black policies. Sucks but whatever.
I'm a big lover of the book "Guns, Germs and Steel" and I always wonder what it would have been like if someone other than western Europe hit the Industrial Revolution first... like say, the Ming Dynasty didn't halt the Chinese navy, or a Mesoamerican civilization industrialized while Europe was still stuck in the Dark Ages. Would the people who ruled over be more or less bloodthirsty as the whites of the colonial era?
I unfortunately don't think it's just the politics "game" (though certainly it made things way more acute).
Why is going full Black Panthers stupid exactly?
Just saying, what used to be the most powerful country in the world now has to choose between the two worst and almost cartoon like candidates as their leader. And its making people have nervous breakdowns all over the internet.
One day, you can have a leader like us.
(https://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1464866/justin-trudeau-gestures.jpg?w=400)
Just saying, what used to be the most powerful country in the world now has to choose between the two worst and almost cartoon like candidates as their leader. And its making people have nervous breakdowns all over the internet.
One day, you can have a leader like us.
(https://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1464866/justin-trudeau-gestures.jpg?w=400)
An American black man was just beaten to death by a random group in Toronto
This shit is everywhere
I agree Vom.
My problem is the emotion of hate. It is tiring and hurtful. How do I get past that emotion? It needs to go away.
My conundrum is:
1. I'm a white person.
2. I care about racial inequality.
3. But at the same time, I'm out of my depth. I both admit and have been told that I can't relate to the black experience in America, because I can't.
4. I've also been told I can't be an "ally" because white liberals don't really care, and I don't want to act like I can speak for (or at) the black community.
So for now I basically have to be content with doing nothing for non-whites other than voting for Democrats and pro-black policies. Sucks but whatever.
I wouldn't see you as an "ally" or an enemy to be fair. Calling out racism is great, the only problem is if you decide you know what's best for another race or how they should be(a trap many white liberals fall into).
All you have to do is not treat anyone differently because of their race, a decent person is decent and an asshole is an asshole. And just understand that you won't understand fully. You already do that so you're good.
My conundrum is:
1. I'm a white person.
2. I care about racial inequality.
3. But at the same time, I'm out of my depth. I both admit and have been told that I can't relate to the black experience in America, because I can't.
4. I've also been told I can't be an "ally" because white liberals don't really care, and I don't want to act like I can speak for (or at) the black community.
So for now I basically have to be content with doing nothing for non-whites other than voting for Democrats and pro-black policies. Sucks but whatever.
You are fine.
Its kind of lame my grandma story gets ignored, ad Im the only one here that has had family murdered over their ethnicity in here but whatever I'm white so it doesn't count I guessAlso the fact that it didn't happen to you. Not saying that I think it's good to hold a grudge against all white people, but there's a more delicate way to express that than invoking the Holocaust. I've never known a Holocaust survivor but I'm sure that plenty of them hate the whole German people, others have found forgiveness and others fall anywhere in between.
Look Himu, its a shit sandwich being a discriminated minority and it's not fair, but turning inwards won't win any fights and you have to be stronger then that.
My grandma was in fucking Auschwitz and her dad died in the camps but she doesn't hate Germans and if she can get over it then who the fuck am I to get notions
Im not jewish gross
A lot of white society does though, Himuro. Maybe not to the lengths that you'd like or should be done, but quite a few at least understand it's still a problem that needs to be solved.
A lot of white society does though, Himuro. Maybe not to the lengths that you'd like or should be done, but quite a few at least understand it's still a problem that needs to be solved.
A lot of white society does what exactly? If it's not black people, it's some other minority. If it's another minority they need to feel better than, it's the poor ("poor white trash" et al). Because that's their culture.
Americans are crazy, man.WHY DON'T YOU COME DOWN HERE AND SAY THAT HUH?!?
Jesus.
A lot of white society does though, Himuro. Maybe not to the lengths that you'd like or should be done, but quite a few at least understand it's still a problem that needs to be solved.
A lot of white society does what exactly? If it's not black people, it's some other minority. If it's another minority they need to feel better than, it's the poor ("poor white trash" et al). Because that's their culture.
Yah, no.
I agree Vom.
My problem is the emotion of hate. It is tiring and hurtful. How do I get past that emotion? It needs to go away.
Seek professional help. As in a therapist.
No, yeah. I wouldn't say it's entirely unique to white people, as Wrath has illustrated, but the western world's culture has its roots in exploitative capitalism, imperialism, etc.
Fuck that response. Seriously. It's like "whoa there, sure society created these pressures on you, gave you the genetic memories of oppression, but you can't talk about it in a public arena! That's for professionals to handle!" Nerve struck alert
Fuck that response. Seriously. It's like "whoa there, sure society created these pressures on you, gave you the genetic memories of oppression, but you can't talk about it in a public arena! That's for professionals to handle!" Nerve struck alert
genetic memories of oppression?? wtf is this, assassin's creed?
Go back to the gaf thread plz
Fuck that response. Seriously. It's like "whoa there, sure society created these pressures on you, gave you the genetic memories of oppression, but you can't talk about it in a public arena! That's for professionals to handle!" Nerve struck alert
Fuck that response. Seriously. It's like "whoa there, sure society created these pressures on you, gave you the genetic memories of oppression, but you can't talk about it in a public arena! That's for professionals to handle!" Nerve struck alert
It doesn't sound too unreasonable to suggest that in response specifically to being eaten alive by a negative emotion you are not able to control.
I don't think anyone is saying that opinions & grievances at systemic racial issues can be adressed by medecine.
Yeah, I'm catching your wave. I'm just at the point where I feel if there's anyone who should be able to take a generalization on the chin and move past it to see the valid pain, criticisms, etc it's uncle whitey
I agree. Sorry white boreans, but I do kinda laugh at you when you get angry at being blanketed most of the time. Seems to be the easiest shit to brush off and ignored to me.
I won't hate y'all for it though, as much as it might bother you I see it as ignorance.
Himuro, it seems you are becoming a radical. Usually this happens because of other issues but it manifests itself like this as you feel helpless to attend those.
Not saying these aren't real issues but usually there are other things that would make someone become radical.
Talking to a professional might help.
Im saying this as a guy that only vaguely has seen you post over the years, but you've never been this extreme.
Yeah, I'm catching your wave. I'm just at the point where I feel if there's anyone who should be able to take a generalization on the chin and move past it to see the valid pain, criticisms, etc it's uncle whitey
I agree. Sorry white boreans, but I do kinda laugh at you when you get angry at being blanketed most of the time. Seems to be the easiest shit to brush off and ignored to me.
I won't hate y'all for it though, as much as it might bother you I see it as ignorance.
I'm just keen on being treated with the same respect that is being asked of me. I think that a mutual respect goes a long way, and if people want to be lazy and make blanket statements about the entirety of a race that I am a part of, then it does piss me off a bit. I'm an individual. I'm of Irish descent (and 1 drop rule and all that, I'm also a dash of Togo descent as well). Me being annoyed doesn't mean I'm ignoring anything either.
Dude, we're cool. You know that. I think we've had this discussion before. Hell, I'm defending white people in this very thread. Just saying that I won't lie about the fact that it's hard for me to relate to it since I've been treated with much worse and learned to brush it off.
I won't treat you awfully just because you're white, though. You'll be treated exactly like everybody else. I do get why it bothers you and others, though. Won't fully write it off, just saying that I find it comical personally.
And Himu, you know you're my gal. It really sucks that you feel that way and I hope you find the peace you crave.
Fuck that response. Seriously. It's like "whoa there, sure society created these pressures on you, gave you the genetic memories of oppression, but you can't talk about it in a public arena! That's for professionals to handle!" Nerve struck alert
nudemacuser wisely said, and I'm paraphrasing here: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."He got another one in before the snip? :whew
I got chills.
nudemacuser wisely said, and I'm paraphrasing here: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."Four? Don't put this devilry on me before I lop my nuts off >:(
I got chills.
*watching election results coming in*
yeah, fuck white people
Ah more like fuck Americans. Also black turn out seems to be low.
Ah more like fuck Americans. Also black turn out seems to be low.
Which is crazy considering the alternative is letting the KKK candidate win.
France is next.
France is next.
Ah more like fuck Americans. Also black turn out seems to be low.
Which is crazy considering the alternative is letting the KKK candidate win.
In a lot of the states so far, voter suppression is a thing. Especially the carolinas.
Whitest timeline?
One thing I've noticed from lots of white people on both sides of the aisle is they find it very hard to accept that black people can hate white people for treating them like human garbage for years while simultaneously finding the fact that lots of white people hate black people because of the color of their skin not too difficult.
Germany? After WWII Germany made it illegal to have a Nazi uniform or flag. America allowed confederate flags to still exist under the guise of "freedom" despite being a symbol of racism. Germany? Germany went into thorough attempts to educate a new generation so nazi-Ism is uniformly seen as a gross injustice and platform to partake in. America? we gloss over the harsh realities of the past that minorities faced (even the Irish!). Germany paid reparations to Jewish people while white Americans recoil at the mere thought despite it being justified.
France is next.
It's true though. Just as the world was starting to become more social progressive, we're hitting a time where everyone's getting scared and regressing. I blame the rise of visible terrorism, the falling world economy post 2008 (thanks USA) and I seriously blame the goddamn internet. The internet has enabled the uneducated to join meme machine bandwagons and reiterate lies and deteriorated actual truth in the world. The fact a huge online side of trump supporters are reddit/gamergate types (aka enabled white manchildren) is disgusting. The spread of available knowledge with the internet should have lead to a more progressive world. Instead we have reddit.
nm you were completely right
Wypipo have spoken. All the waffling i've been doing over the last 16 months about leaving here forever is over, i guess. They just don't want people like me here.Will you be needing a personal accountant/butler?
Time to #amerexit.
The "fuck white people" mentality turned out white people in droves to vote for Trump so good job I guess.
It is a cancerous mindset and now America has cancer.
The "fuck white people" mentality turned out white people in droves to vote for Trump so good job I guess.
It is a cancerous mindset and now America has cancer.
Darkest timeline confirmed
Whitest timeline?
The "fuck white people" mentality turned out white people in droves to vote for Trump so good job I guess.Man, I hate this 4KDennis gimmick
It is a cancerous mindset and now America has cancer.
I was too tired to "actually" this yesterday. Good to know you're here to pick up the slack. :heartGermany? After WWII Germany made it illegal to have a Nazi uniform or flag. America allowed confederate flags to still exist under the guise of "freedom" despite being a symbol of racism. Germany? Germany went into thorough attempts to educate a new generation so nazi-Ism is uniformly seen as a gross injustice and platform to partake in. America? we gloss over the harsh realities of the past that minorities faced (even the Irish!). Germany paid reparations to Jewish people while white Americans recoil at the mere thought despite it being justified.
Please don't airbrush the utter failure of the FRG to engage in meaningful Denazification.
FUCKING CACS
Is this in response to Trump winning or you getting rejected by every white girl?
We're gonna be alright.
Wypipo have spoken. All the waffling i've been doing over the last 16 months about leaving here forever is over, i guess. They just don't want people like me here.Will you be needing a personal accountant/butler?
Time to #amerexit.
I'm not one to pass on the opportunity to kick down le Boche and while all of what you say is true (on top of the fact that "denazification" was first engaged at the behest of the foreign occupying powers, in the same half assed manner to my understanding as it was not practical to break Germany beyond a certain point) I don't think one can deny that the WW2 aftermath did force some European self-reflection on those matters and led to a strong backlash against some casual racism that was a fact of life (mostly antisemitism, colonization didn't die overnight even if ultimately it was brought down by the same apparent "revealed" contradictions), though it unfortunately seems that this pushback is relying on how strong the memories of shame and trauma are, and those will fade out with time.
All that to say that I don't think the point QoI made was without merit : there's definitely an American specificity to how institutionalized racism played out compared to Europe. Even if it was only Europeans affecting to not be as blatant about it in their mainland and their core expressed values.
Now seems like a good time to read Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail.It's got the same ending.
I'm at the stage of anger.I looked at the district map for Texas last night. It was blue on the west side of the peninsula, and each of the four major cities. The cities just looked... surrounded.
I always recommend New Mexico too. Nice folks in a blue state plus excellent tacos and green chile!
I'm at the stage of anger.I looked at the district map for Texas last night. It was blue on the west side of the peninsula, and each of the four major cities. The cities just looked... surrounded.
Oklahoma voted for Trump 65-29. :goty
Oklahoma voted for Trump 65-29. :goty
I might consider this. There is an atelier in classical painting and drawing in Santa Fe. They seem legit as well. I'm not sure what contacts they have with the industry tho.Santa Fe is a great city for artists of all kinds. I'm about an hour south in Albuquerque but if you ever feel like checking out the state you're welcome here :)