Even more TLDR; Kill whitey
Wait, weren't you oh so totally over this board? :thinking
I mean, glad that you're back and all (and hope you're in a better mental place). But come on... this is like the 50th time, gurl. :doge
We're already back on the cindi storyline? I'm still waiting for a conclusion for the hungrynoob arc ffsthis is just the sneak peak from comicon
We're already back on the cindi storyline? I'm still waiting for a conclusion for the hungrynoob arc ffsjust wait for them to line up and merge, i'm sure the writers have it all figured out to climax with the end of July as hinted
We're already back on the cindi storyline? I'm still waiting for a conclusion for the hungrynoob arc ffsjust wait for them to line up and merge, i'm sure the writers have it all figured out to climax with the end of July as hinted
Dan - Be brave and stay calm to make the right decision
Look at how the socialists act now when they have no power. Calling black ICE agents distinguished black fellow and traitor.
The right decision currently is for you to abandon socialism. Being a collective leads to group think and mob mentality. You will learn sooner than later. Look at how the socialists act now when they have no power. Calling black ICE agents distinguished black fellow and traitor. Violence and punching people. And they have no power. Imagine if they did have power. And now you know why you should abandon communism. It is evil. Please.
Look at how the socialists act now when they have no power. Calling black ICE agents distinguished black fellow and traitor.
You called Kanye that for interrupting Taylor Swift.
The right decision currently is for you to abandon socialism. Being a collective leads to group think and mob mentality. You will learn sooner than later. Look at how the socialists act now when they have no power. Calling black ICE agents distinguished black fellow and traitor. Violence and punching people. And they have no power. Imagine if they did have power. And now you know why you should abandon communism. It is evil. Please.
I think you're confusing "liberal" and "socialism" into this weird amalgamation of neither. :doge
"Black person who blames black people" is a top-3 failsafe grift, along with anti-Trump Republican and blonde girl who loves the 2nd amendment.
The Bore's very own Candace Owens
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Thank you for the advice Cindi; I meant that in more of a "best wishes" way instead of a sarcastic "I think you're currently on the wrong path" way.
glad to see you well cindi
Cindy when did you become so political? Or have you always been and I just never noticed cause I'm not? I mean all I remember when I think of you is talking about star trek. weird funny shit, anime and tv shows, then you're gone for months and people tell me you had some fight on some corner of this board I never go to, rinse repeat.
Cindy when did you become so political? Or have you always been and I just never noticed cause I'm not? I mean all I remember when I think of you is talking about star trek. weird funny shit, anime and tv shows, then you're gone for months and people tell me you had some fight on some corner of this board I never go to, rinse repeat.
Well, what's the right path?
Cindy when did you become so political? Or have you always been and I just never noticed cause I'm not? I mean all I remember when I think of you is talking about star trek. weird funny shit, anime and tv shows, then you're gone for months and people tell me you had some fight on some corner of this board I never go to, rinse repeat.
There are four main events:
1. 2008 financial crisis (socialism)
2. Ferguson and BLM (seething anger at white people and america)
3. Pulse (acknowledging that vulnerable populations should have firearms for self defense)
4. The election of Donald Trump (realizing that calling all white people racist makes you what you hate)
combined with complete and utter disillusionment with the democratic party.
https://nypost.com/2018/06/12/gay-americans-are-arming-themselves-to-stay-alive/
:rejoice momo defend your gun rights in SA
https://nypost.com/2018/06/12/gay-americans-are-arming-themselves-to-stay-alive/
:rejoice momo defend your gun rights in SA
NY Post :confused
The Bore's very own Blaire White
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The Bore's very own Blaire White
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Fixed.
it's ok guys. i don't like you and you don't like me. I just wanna talk about games tbh. :rejoice
Dan - Be brave and stay calm to make the right decision
(https://i.imgur.com/yUZhwYL.jpg)
The right decision currently is for you to abandon socialism. Being a collective leads to group think and mob mentality. You will learn sooner than later. Look at how the socialists act now when they have no power. Calling black ICE agents distinguished black fellow and traitor. Violence and punching people. And they have no power. Imagine if they did have power. And now you know why you should abandon communism. It is evil. Please.
Dan - Be brave and stay calm to make the right decision
(https://i.imgur.com/yUZhwYL.jpg)
The right decision currently is for you to abandon socialism. Being a collective leads to group think and mob mentality. You will learn sooner than later. Look at how the socialists act now when they have no power. Calling black ICE agents distinguished black fellow and traitor. Violence and punching people. And they have no power. Imagine if they did have power. And now you know why you should abandon communism. It is evil. Please.
Pretty funny to complain about collectivism and mob mentality, when your reaction to anger at the aggression and stereotyping aimed at the right, is to stereotype and generalise the left. Right now you're the one sounding like a partisan drone. Toe that line.
The Bore's very own Blaire White
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Fixed.
Lol, Cindi, you naive child. People like Candace Owens are not party liners, they are opportunistic grifters.
No. I am talking specifically about socialism. Liberals are edging closer to the beast, but I know socialism first hand and how dangerous it is and liberals aren't socialists.
She alreads said she's stereotyping based on personal anecdotes, so... :yeshrug
She alreads said she's stereotyping based on personal anecdotes, so... :yeshrug
Cindy when did you become so political? Or have you always been and I just never noticed cause I'm not? I mean all I remember when I think of you is talking about star trek. weird funny shit, anime and tv shows, then you're gone for months and people tell me you had some fight on some corner of this board I never go to, rinse repeat.
There are four main events:
1. 2008 financial crisis (socialism)
2. Ferguson and BLM (seething anger at white people and america)
3. Pulse (acknowledging that vulnerable populations should have firearms for self defense)
4. The election of Donald Trump (realizing that calling all white people racist makes you what you hate)
combined with complete and utter disillusionment with the democratic party.
No. I am talking specifically about socialism. Liberals are edging closer to the beast, but I know socialism first hand and how dangerous it is and liberals aren't socialists.
"AntiFa(scits)" -> Socialism is a bit of a jump. "The left is edging toward Socialism" is valid, but that's because the majority of young voters think social programs is a good thing. Are there crazy socialists? Sure. But I think lumping them in with the AntiFa movement is a huge huge mental gymnastics/stretch that even you have to admit is wrong.
She alreads said she's stereotyping based on personal anecdotes, so... :yeshrug
Yes, which is why:Cindy when did you become so political? Or have you always been and I just never noticed cause I'm not? I mean all I remember when I think of you is talking about star trek. weird funny shit, anime and tv shows, then you're gone for months and people tell me you had some fight on some corner of this board I never go to, rinse repeat.
There are four main events:
1. 2008 financial crisis (socialism)
2. Ferguson and BLM (seething anger at white people and america)
3. Pulse (acknowledging that vulnerable populations should have firearms for self defense)
4. The election of Donald Trump (realizing that calling all white people racist makes you what you hate)
combined with complete and utter disillusionment with the democratic party.
I told her this turning the run up. I told her "while I can understand black's resentment toward whites, blaming all whites for black problems now-a-days is kinda dumb" she didn't want to listen until after Trump got elected and "hey, calling all whites that may agree with you on some points but not all racists (#OhSupTIMU) just makes them tune out." Just shows that I need to tell her that her jump toward hating socialists instead of Whites now is just as bad needs to be told.
Like, I agree with her on some aspects that she throws out, but at the same time these jumps into "so this proves why I should hate <subject/target> 100%" is just "No, honey. #NotAll<Subject/Target>"
I mean to put it another way: She agreed with Bernie (IIRC) on certain aspects of politics, like I do. But now that she's turned around on socialism, I wonder if she still agrees with him in certain aspects or has 180'd on her opinion of him/his points she agrees with because "fuck him, he didn't do anything for me" like the BLM movement time-line where she hated whites without understanding why she had that resentment came from.
:lolhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht1c0Tl3DEg
etiolate falls, himuro rises :salute
Jesus.
Alt right Christian friends. Alt right people have religion. :lol you can’t even get that right. Please stop.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/8Bl2XjWuVXSJcE59HM/giphy.gif)Cindy when did you become so political? Or have you always been and I just never noticed cause I'm not? I mean all I remember when I think of you is talking about star trek. weird funny shit, anime and tv shows, then you're gone for months and people tell me you had some fight on some corner of this board I never go to, rinse repeat.
There are four main events:
1. 2008 financial crisis (socialism)
2. Ferguson and BLM (seething anger at white people and america)
3. Pulse (acknowledging that vulnerable populations should have firearms for self defense)
4. The election of Donald Trump (realizing that calling all white people racist makes you what you hate)
combined with complete and utter disillusionment with the democratic party.
i forgot
5. Guilt due to saying and doing bad things towards white people lead me to Christianity.
:lol
See? Go against the socialist collective and this is how they act. Please assimilate. Beep boop.
Wait the financial crisis was because of socialism?The socialists demanded that the banks lend money to everyone so they could buy homes.
Plz tell me more
Listen by all accounts I would probably be labeled neoliberal scum by at least a half dozen posters on this board if I laid my cards all on the table of how I would organize an economy, but I just don't understand this need of yours to jump to extremes and paint everyone with that brush while almost blindly latching onto counter tribes that are arguably far more harmful in their current state.
Lots of odd accusations and misunderstandings here.
The 2008 financial crisis is a massive reason I eventually became sympathetic to socialism. Not that it caused it. That was badly written on my part. The ( )’s in that post dictate my mindset and the results of the political moment. 2008 was really influential to me.
I also have not said that social programs are bad. White thr opposite. Even I can admit we need a combo of capitalism and some social programs. Otherwise you have a society too collective and a society too self serving.
But social programs, as I said to Username is not full blown socialism. I’m for some form of universal healthcare and have never wavered on that front. As long as a private option exists. But assumptions based on pure conjecture are being made that I hate taking care of people, which is anything but reality.
Listen by all accounts I would probably be labeled neoliberal scum by at least a half dozen posters on this board if I laid my cards all on the table of how I would organize an economy, but I just don't understand this need of yours to jump to extremes and paint everyone with that brush while almost blindly latching onto counter tribes that are arguably far more harmful in their current state.
Because she's a complete hypocrite with no self-awareness who loves the sound of her own voice over anything else. See: "I was wrong to generalize all white people as bad. Now, let me tell you about the problem with you leftists based on some shit one poster said." If you engage her at this point you're probably a masochist. Luckily we have super ignore now :rejoice
Lots of odd accusations and misunderstandings here.
The 2008 financial crisis is a massive reason I eventually became sympathetic to socialism. Not that it caused it. That was badly written on my part. The ( )’s in that post dictate my mindset and the results of the political moment. 2008 was really influential to me.
I also have not said that social programs are bad. White thr opposite. Even I can admit we need a combo of capitalism and some social programs. Otherwise you have a society too collective and a society too self serving.
But social programs, as I said to Username is not full blown socialism. I’m for some form of universal healthcare and have never wavered on that front. As long as a private option exists. But assumptions based on pure conjecture are being made that I hate taking care of people, which is anything but reality.
Thats somewhat more informative for me, and that is seemingly where the vast majority of people are on this board and in society at large, so it makes your rant all that more bizarre IMO. Across your posts you basically just laid out most of Bernie Sanders/Cortez's platform/contentions with the exception of your weird sticking point about having a private healthcare option(I presume you mean insurance). If you think there are some magical market solutions to those issues you laid out that can serve as alternative paths to some of the offers you get in the left-wing and centrist left I would gladly hear them out.
There really isn't a big constituency for classic Marxism/full-on socialism and it always comes off a bit deranged when I see people clutch pearls about the dangers of Marxism when it has no chance of happening any time soon(especially in this country) and in response to that fear those people latch onto certain pro-market tribes that's capitalist rot has far more agency, urgency, and harm in current society.
Most republican elders wouldn’t like it if they lost their social security. Are they socialists? Full blown socialism - which is what I critique - is a method of governance as much as it is economic. Assuming that when I say socialism that I’m talking about someone who wants to destroy monopolies and conflating them to be actual socialists is a big mistake.
I have been consistent on this. My problem is with socialism. The form of government. I have never said we should have zero safety nets.
And Nola, what is that extreme? As far as I’m concerned I’m sitting st a place where Democrats have been for decades. Social programs good, socialism bad. Pretty standard American stuff.
And curly thinking I’m going at socialists and not the ideology and system is :lol
How many trans people do you know? RE’s trans community is a good sample of the mainstream trans person now. Now how many trans people do you think *i* know? Now you know why I hate socialism. Almost every person in my circle is a socialist or a commie. So it’s probably part of my bubble. Meanwhile the democrats are inarguably going further left. Nah. NAH. Socialism is no!
Nola I disagree that I’m chasing ghosts. It might be my circle but I swear young people see socialism as favorable. I’m not the only one and it feels like you’re gaslighting me to undermine its rise.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/g00/news/opinion/chapman/ct-perspec-chapman-young-socialism-capitalism-20180520-story.html?i10c.encReferrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8%3D&i10c.ua=4
https://www.marketplace.org/2018/05/17/economy/millennials-socialism-isnt-dirty-word-it-was-other-generations
I’m completely against it due to my experience within socialist circles.
Also all the black people I know that are socialist/communist. Good Lord. “Black people cannot survive under capitalism.” As if that erases the human element and that black people will rise above, cream of the crop. Just like in Cuba. I can’t beleive I fell for that shit because my heroes (black panthers) were far left.
We must fight socialism and its resurgence.
Like the Buddha said, this too will pass.
Nola I disagree that I’m chasing ghosts. It might be my circle but I swear young people see socialism as favorable. I’m not the only one and it feels like you’re gaslighting me to undermine its rise.You should be for or against things because they rise/fail on empirical and/or moral grounds, not sure why your social circle should be the overriding driver of your personal viewpoints?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/g00/news/opinion/chapman/ct-perspec-chapman-young-socialism-capitalism-20180520-story.html?i10c.encReferrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8%3D&i10c.ua=4
https://www.marketplace.org/2018/05/17/economy/millennials-socialism-isnt-dirty-word-it-was-other-generations
I’m completely against it due to my experience within socialist circles.
I have given numerous examples of my being against socialism on moral grounds. I think it is wrong and against human nature. The only reason I bring up circles is because of how socialism works. It is a collective ideology and therefore the group and how it reacts is most prominent.Ironically you have basically substituted in socialism as your new boogieman the same way you used to do for white people, gun control advocates, and more recently liberal social justice advocates. After all this time how come you haven't stopped to ask yourself why you keep falling down the rabbit hole of misjudging and broad brushing things so routinely and what you could do to change that?
But tell me how I can be more solution if you see that I recognize a problem?
And democrats going further left isn’t a solution. Actually it depends on what you mean by left. Most of the left today is full on IDpol. But so is the right. If by democrats going left you mean emphasis on the working class, economic solutions, destroying monopolies I’d be for it. But that’s not what I’m seeing.
And curly thinking I’m going at statists and not the ideology and system is :lol
And curly thinking I’m going at statists and not the ideology and system is :lol
don't make me call mandark in to keep you in line :ufuphe's too busy following DNC orders to protect DNC mormon law professors from criticism by non-DNC minorities with his DNC approved snarky DNC talking points
Also got to love how “you’re painting a wide brush” against something that is responsible for the most deaths out of any ideology of the 20th century (over 100 million) and is the cause of the recent collapse of Venezuela. Consider socialism a failure, that inherently results in evil like gulags and you’re painting too broad a brush when that’s standard, mainstream opinion.
:yeshrugs Liberals
Idk. I have a binary brain. Socialism = bad, gun control advocates = wrong side of the issue.
:yeshrug
Maybe I have the ‘tism. Who knows.
Also got to love how “you’re painting a wide brush” against something that is responsible for the most deaths out of any ideology of the 20th century (over 100 million) and is the cause of the recent collapse of Venezuela. Consider socialism a failure, that inherently results in evil like gulags and you’re painting too broad a brush when that’s standard, mainstream opinion.
:yeshrugs Liberals
Socialism and communism in the ways they have manifested in the 20th century have proven to be catastrophic. Now start to tally the horrors that directly or indirectly occurred under the watch of various forms of capitalistic regimes. I'll give you that at least in terms of scale, efficiency and quickness some communist regimes managed to inflict horrific purges on their own populations, for which it is difficult to find replications in most modern western capitalistic regimes aside from Nazi Germany. But in terms of outcomes this debate is murky beyond resolution. In B4 people defending elephant world income graph, i.e it is difficult to attribute the rise of income in developing countries when your practical frame of reference is ONLY capitalism. Alternatively i'd like to see equality metric studies in a certain historical period between say a communist country and an emerging capitalist nation to compare the ratio of people actually LIFTED from poverty. Eitherway i don't care for the established old school reds and their offspring, as far as i'm concerned melanchon, corbyn, die linke can dissapear. I'm more interested in the alternatives provided by the likes of podemos/syriza type movements and their refinement since it is clear that the SPD center left types are patients in their death beds.
like have you considered just living your life, taking up a couple hobbies, drinking a bit, watching TV, traveling etc.
yknow instead of wasting away your life on GAF/Era/TheBore
Even when black people were second class citizens under capitalism they were enabled to produce profound works of art. Jazz? Capitalism. Blues? Capitalism. Hip hop? Rock? Capitalism.I think that this is the most reductive thing I've ever read in my entire life.
Even when black people were second class citizens under capitalism they were enabled to produce profound works of art. Jazz? Capitalism. Blues? Capitalism. Hip hop? Rock? Capitalism.I think that this is the most reductive thing I've ever read in my entire life.
Blues ? Slavery.
What's the deal with socialist states never getting to the part were it says "withering away of the state".Because they didn't follow the science as divined to Marx properly. They deviated somewhere preventing the scientifically guaranteed achievement of true socialism and thus true communism.
Even when black people were second class citizens under capitalism they were enabled to produce profound works of art. Jazz? Capitalism. Blues? Capitalism. Hip hop? Rock? Capitalism.I think that this is the most reductive thing I've ever read in my entire life.
Blues ? Slavery.
have you considered instead of flipping to different sides and researching/writing like 8 paragraphs of shit that you'll only turn against in a few years/months that you just remove yourself entirely from those issues if you cant "help yourself"
like have you considered just living your life, taking up a couple hobbies, drinking a bit, watching TV, traveling etc.
yknow instead of wasting away your life on GAF/Era/TheBore
Even when black people were second class citizens under capitalism they were enabled to produce profound works of art. Jazz? Capitalism. Blues? Capitalism. Hip hop? Rock? Capitalism.I think that this is the most reductive thing I've ever read in my entire life.
Blues ? Slavery.
have you considered instead of flipping to different sides and researching/writing like 8 paragraphs of shit that you'll only turn against in a few years/months that you just remove yourself entirely from those issues if you cant "help yourself"
like have you considered just living your life, taking up a couple hobbies, drinking a bit, watching TV, traveling etc.
yknow instead of wasting away your life on GAF/Era/TheBore
Mandark would that country dictate limiting artistic expression in the name of capitalism though? There in lies the difference.
Shots fired at everyone. It's a mass shooting. Maybe now Cindi will reconsider her 2nd amendment position after such a horrific act of violence.
Mandark would that country dictate limiting artistic expression in the name of capitalism though? There in lies the difference.
Yes, the United States did this.
Surely this semi-spark in corporate Afrocentrism will result in (black) people supporting black businesses, more community work, etc etc. Right? No? Yea...
:snoop
As a black man there are few things more deflating than when I go to Big Brother/Big Sister events to work with inner city kids and all the volunteers except me are white. I'm not going to make some macro statement on things based off that anecdote but that shit sucks brehs. I haven't seen Black Panther because I'm not a Marvel nerd, but the memes and responses it garnered on social media were annoying to see when you consider how hyped people get for corporate "woke" shit vs actual "woke" shit.
The major failing of the BLM movement to me is that it became more of an ambulance chasing movement than any tangible effort to work within the black community to achieve things. And that's why I hate hearing it compared to the Black Panthers. My mom is old enough to remember the Panthers providing breakfast for inner city kids, starting urban farming, promoting (and protecting) black businesses, etc. Now would be a perfect time for a return of that type of energy. But people would rather pretend or appear to be woke online than actually do shit. Alas.spoiler (click to show/hide)fuck DeRay[close]
when I go to Big Brother events
On the front lines of the racial war, we really, really need to lighten Evil Ryu's skin tone because it's highly, highly problematic.
As a black person I get why it bothers some people. At the same time it's at the bottom of things to give a fuck about. What's more pressing is that Nintendo does not find it ok to allow you to pick your skin tone in Animal Crossong because they view white as the default. Even then, it's not worth truly getting mad about beyond annoyance.
This is why people like this are called SJWs. It's not that social justice is bad. It's that they try to make everything about their social justice. The really big irony here is that kids in Flint are dying of lead poisoning and here we are talking about Evil Ryu and Violent Ken's skin colors. SJWs betray their own arguments. They talk of things like privelage but lack the self awareness to realize many of their pet issues - like this one - operate on said privilege. By concentrating on something so not noteworthy that actually affects living, breathing people, they take jabs at larger society they disagree, exposing their own privilege. Bet you 100 bucks the person who made this is living comfortable. Yeah, they may have had the racist encounter or two, but are they living well? Probably. How can you tell? Because they base their arguments of social justice based around video game characters made and designed in a foreign land across the sea rather than pushing for voting locally, donating to their HBCU, or volunteering.
They don't push for action that will result in any real lasting change. They just want their video game characters to stop offending them so much.
Prime example as to why SJWs and by larger extent our generation, are seen as a damn joke while not realizing their own argument is steeped in privelage.
The issue isn't that BLM doesn't want white people involved - there ARE white people involved. There are more white people involved in various aspects in BLM than the Panthers, so that's not an issue. The issue is that their focus is not on community outreach or grassroots change. I understand the opposing argument would be "but the BLM is moreso aimed at changing or confronting white views, not on telling black people what they already know." Yea ok. I have zero interest in begging oppressors for things, or telling people to "stop shooting me" or whatever else in 2018. White views on the police aren't changing anytime soon. I'm more interested in tangible progress within the black community. Supporting black businesses, community outreach, giving young people THINGS to do in safe places.
One of the cool things I've been apart of is going to predominantly black schools and mentoring, including giving presentations on...my job. It sounds weird, but just talking to at-risk kids about your job can spark their mind. Giving them ideas about what they might want to do, showing them how some of the things they're learning in middle/high school can be applied in later life....it matters. Representation matters. I can dap the Black Panther movie for that alone. This is an area where I have seen more black men involved, and I love it.
The Blues was very much a “response” to their status, social/economic inequality, troubles. In no way shape or form did Capitalism birth the genre so much as inflict them with their circumstance.
Sorry I glaze over lager posts because he’s a sad asshole of a man.Watch out, he'll ticket your black ass!
1. Blues, hip hop, jazz;et al don’t exist because of capitalism.
2. Capitalism allows them to exist. Not only merely exist but also thrive. Because everyone likes money.
The point is with capitalism people have an outlet to have their voice heard at least. That is quite literally the point. Meanwhile in Cuba and other socialist nations they lack any form of artistic autonomy. You can’t talk about your life and bad conditions in hip hop in Cuba or else you’re becoming an enemy of the state. Because it is itself a critique of the state. Meanwhile, in America, capitalism allowed black people to critique our own government and oppressors because capitalism isn’t the state. Langston Hughes could write The Ways of White Folk in the height of Jim Crow and not be forced to be arrested. Because capitalism is an economic system and not a full expanse of power of the state like socialism is.
The point is that capitalism, while obviously not being perfect and having lots of bad things in its history allows far more expanse of human freedom because art, wonder, beauty, and criticism of forces are allowed because pelple like money.
Compared to socialism where every regime must crack its citizens like a rock.
In terms of human expression and freedom, despite its flaws and excesses, capitalism wins.
Not that blues wasn’t created by slavery.
Mandark would that country dictate limiting artistic expression in the name of capitalism though? There in lies the difference.
Mandark would that country dictate limiting artistic expression in the name of capitalism though? There in lies the difference.
You didn't say they were the creations of capitalism, true. I'm just disagreeing with the idea that capitalism led to major benefits for the BLACK creators of those genres. Did capitalism help...Howlin Wolf get more shows in the 60s and 70s? Sure. But capitalism also ensured the blues (and rock) were effectively pillaged by white artists who earned far more money off it than the black creators. Not to mention the (white) record label culture vultures who swooped in and bought the rights to a lot of that music.He's right, you know? :success
In terms of these things only being capable in a capitalist society...gonna need evidence of that. Because all those genres were created under the worst possible environment for people (slavery and jim crow). If you can create and enjoy art while slaves, I'm pretty sure you could do the same under a socialist regime. :doge
Sorry I glaze over lager posts because he’s a sad asshole of a man.
The point is with capitalism people have an outlet to have their voice heard at least. That is quite literally the point. Meanwhile in Cuba and other socialist nations they lack any form of artistic autonomy. You can’t talk about your life and bad conditions in hip hop in Cuba or else you’re becoming an enemy of the state. Because it is itself a critique of the state. Meanwhile, in America, capitalism allowed black people to critique our own government and oppressors because capitalism isn’t the state. Langston Hughes could write The Ways of White Folk in the height of Jim Crow and not be forced to be arrested. Because capitalism is an economic system and not a full expanse of power of the state like socialism is.
The point is that capitalism, while obviously not being perfect and having lots of bad things in its history allows far more expanse of human freedom because art, wonder, beauty, and criticism of forces are allowed because pelple like money.
Compared to socialism where every regime must crack its citizens like a rock.
In terms of human expression and freedom, despite its flaws and excesses, capitalism wins.
Not that blues wasn’t created by slavery.
Again, I’m not a champion of textbook Marxism, though I do think there has been plenty of worthwhile and innovative ideas out of it and the Marxist critique of capitalism is still one of the strongest articulations of some of the problems inherent with capitalism. I do think markets are a powerful tool for lots of good when properly constrained and managed. But you are sort of conflating authoritarianism under a bastardization of Marxism/socialism with actual Marxism/socialism. Doing that thing that conservatives love to do where they conflate Maoism or Leninism with Marxism or strains of modern socialism. It’s like conflating Nordic capitalism with Pinochet's Chile. Sure there’s crossover, but there are a metric fuckton of differences too.
I would be curious what feature(s) it is you think endows “capitalism” with these sorts of unique abilities, to for instance allow artistic expression that aren’t possible under forms of socialism? If the only thing you think is untenable is non-market socialism under authoritarian rule, than that’s fine, still would be curious why artistry is impossible, but really just trying to get more of a feel for where the cleavages actually are.
Solaris is a Polish book
Solaris and Stalker came out of the Soviet Union, though.
Based on a Polish masterpiece
You didn't say they were the creations of capitalism, true. I'm just disagreeing with the idea that capitalism led to major benefits for the BLACK creators of those genres. Did capitalism help...Howlin Wolf get more shows in the 60s and 70s? Sure. But capitalism also ensured the blues (and rock) were effectively pillaged by white artists who earned far more money off it than the black creators. Not to mention the (white) record label culture vultures who swooped in and bought the rights to a lot of that music.
In terms of these things only being capable in a capitalist society...gonna need evidence of that. Because all those genres were created under the worst possible environment for people (slavery and jim crow). If you can create and enjoy art while slaves, I'm pretty sure you could do the same under a socialist regime. :doge
You know who was a great fan of capitalism? Jesus
You know who was a great fan of capitalism? Jesus
Yeah, but to paraphrase a great man: I like people who weren't captured. And crucified.
Sorry I glaze over lager posts because he’s a sad asshole of a man.
Id be sad if I didnt have everything you never will
Feels good not blame everyone and everything and just be happy man
I dont think you are capable of that
Always chasing that next thing that will "fix" you
Every fucking time you come back its the same schtick Zzzzzz
Solaris and Stalker came out of the Soviet Union, though.
OH, there is actually a ton of great art that came out of Soviet Union. The problem is that most of it was insular, looking inward, docusing on subversion and satire of its oppressors. And some rooted in Eastern European folk culture. Like the bard movement, which were singer-songwriters using the Russian folk guitars to sublininally criticize the government. And what about Bulgakov? Vom Kriege can testify of his greatness. So much of it revolved around skirting government censure. And utilizing the intricacies and expressiveness of the Russian language. It just doesn't translate well. Many Western European musical artists made art in English to appeal to English-speaking nations. You could see how that would be a problem for Soviet Union and its imperialistic ambitions.
I guess what I am saying is that so much art from that region and time period is deeply intertwined in its own culture that a lot of it has gone under the radar. Russia's greatest poet, Pushkin is regarded as an equal to Shakespeare over there, and is credited for modernizing the Russian language. Yet he is obscure in the West.
But the idea that great art cannot and has not emerged from totalitarian regimes, let alone socialist economic structures, is preposterous.
I love you added Polish and unemployed and stay at home dad as if thats some assesment on someones character :lol
Van Gogh was born on March 30, 1853, in the village of Zundert in the Netherlands. He created some of his most well-known paintings, such as The Starry Night and Cafe at Night, within a two-year period before his death in July 1890. The fields he painted in Wheat Field With Crows in June were a depiction of the same location where he shot himself in the chest a month later. During his lifetime, his work had little to no value in the art world. But a century later, the first version of his Portrait of Dr. Gachet sold for $82.5 million in 1990 (around $159 million today).
Cindi is now an expert on the blues? Is there anything she hasn't mastered? :whew
The leap in expertise in music since Prince's death has been astounding :clap :clap :clap :clap
I didnt watch black panther because there were no relatable characters
What do you think are examples of great art? Surely you don't consider Black Panther such? Because I don't see any great work of American art as a poster child for capitalism. On the contrary, the less financial considerations are a part of the equation, the less burdened it is from profitability, the greater art becomes.
Personal gain can be just as suffocating to art as "being part of a collective." When you start figuring profits, target demographics and focus groups in art, it becomes by the numbers.
For every anecdote you bring up, there are counters. Take a look at the Soviet animation studios vs US in the 20th century. US animation was targeted mostly towards children, it was cookie cutter, with big studios like Disney and WB churning out cookie cutter animations with reused frames and characters and cheap serialized shows for easy consumption.Whereas Soviet animation wasn't always easily digestible, often abstract, tackled all sort of adult themes, even philosophy and they all had unique and inventive art styles. Not always pleasing, mind you, but creative.
In the Renaissance period, people made great pieces of art, such as paintings and cathedrals, commissioned by feudal lords. I would hesitate to give credit to monarchies for being nurturing of art. People will find a way to express themselves despite the constraints that society places upon them. And great modern artists make indie films or music, or paintings, or sculptures despite capitalist society's pressure to make a quick buck. So giving capitalism credit for an environment that fosters art is a strained comparison.
If you are such an individualist, give the individuals credit for their art, not economic structures.
Nice come back. Did you post it in your wrestling shack? Nothing wrong with watching wrestling. But having your own shack as you jack off to your wrestling collection is another thing entirely. Which is exactly why you’re the ass hole you are.
Uh...what? lmao. It's been 2 days you've been back and you're already into assimilate-tier nonsense personal insults that don't even make sense. If anything I think jerking off to wrestling would be seen as a more valid reason to watch it as opposed to enjoying it for the entertainment/performance aspect :jeanluc
Hey guys what's up in here I really liked Michael B. Jordan's hair/mustache in BP
Cindi, I think some parameters need to be set. In reality, there are only two-three people on this forum that self-identify as full-blown socialists (I guess Kara, curly, and Opti lol). The rest of us see benefits in moving society closer towards equality. Is that a bad thing?
I hope Cindi still lurked so she got to see the Holodomor meltdown.
Well, I don't consider myself a socialist, but I think there is much benefit in nudging this country to the left. What I believe in is that healthcare is a human right, education shouldn't be driven by profits and that greedy corporate monsters shouldn't be allowed to leave our successors an environmental disaster. I believe people have a right to clean air, access to clean water, I believe in free speech and ability to criticise one's own government. Everyone has their own pet issues, more or less. Trying to wittle down leftist ideas to "punching nazis" or immigration is not helpful.
Cindi, I think some parameters need to be set. In reality, there are only two-three people on this forum that self-identify as full-blown socialists (I guess Kara, curly, and Opti lol). The rest of us see benefits in moving society closer towards equality. Is that a bad thing?
Kara is a communist. Shapghnam is too I think.
Not a bad thing. I want the same thing. But what about the methods? But if you think dictating speech laws via forcing people to use trans peoples pronouns counts, or affirmative action which has been shown to hurt some minorities (namely Asians) in the name of equality then is it really equality? So how do you plan on enacting this equality? Does it mean punching Nazi’s unprovoked? Or does it mean allowing illegal immigrants the ability to vote?
Well, I don't consider myself a socialist, but I think there is much benefit in nudging this country to the left. What I believe in is that healthcare is a human right, education shouldn't be driven by profits and that greedy corporate monsters shouldn't be allowed to leave our successors an environmental disaster. I believe people have a right to clean air, access to clean water, I believe in free speech and ability to criticise one's own government. Everyone has their own pet issues, more or less. Trying to wittle down leftist ideas to "punching nazis" or immigration is not helpful.
I think healthcare is also a right.
I do not attribute access to good education as a value of the left but I agree it shouldn’t be tied to greed and profit.
The modern left devalues free speech to the point of mocking it (freeze peach). It is not a value of the left. It should be given the history of what being liberal means. But these days the left is more concerned with limiting speech and censoring their enemies.
I haven’t wittied the left down to illegal immigration and punching Nazi’s but to say they’re not relevant is disengenous given to me the left represents an authoritarianism mindset.
I mean, fucks sake. Shosta, get your ass in here and defend your favorite composer.Cindi is closest to being right, here, even if you got her to cave with the feudalism example. I've been avoiding this thread because what the internet doesn't need is the fifty trillionth thread devoted to debating "socialism" vs. "capitalism", especially when that discussion falls into the same dilettantism of failing to distinguish between command and market economies, or even correctly identifying the conditions that lead to truly flourishing arts (widespread humanism, serious tragedy, economic hardship, cross cultural pollination). But I will comment on this because this is the closest thing I have to a wheelhouse.
produced under communism is like saying "Didn't black people invent negro spiritual music under slavery?
That's literally the example Cindi uses to make her point about capitalism being great for teh arts. Were you asleep the entire thread?I hadn't read more than three posts. It's a shitty thread, why should I bother?
Collectivist attitudes toward economics inevitably lead to collectivist attitudes toward culture. I'm not here to weigh in on whatever it is she thinks the word socialist means.QuoteThat's literally the example Cindi uses to make her point about capitalism being great for teh arts. Were you asleep the entire thread?I hadn't read more than three posts. It's a shitty thread, why should I bother?
You didn't say they were the creations of capitalism, true. I'm just disagreeing with the idea that capitalism led to major benefits for the BLACK creators of those genres. Did capitalism help...Howlin Wolf get more shows in the 60s and 70s? Sure. But capitalism also ensured the blues (and rock) were effectively pillaged by white artists who earned far more money off it than the black creators. Not to mention the (white) record label culture vultures who swooped in and bought the rights to a lot of that music.
In terms of these things only being capable in a capitalist society...gonna need evidence of that. Because all those genres were created under the worst possible environment for people (slavery and jim crow). If you can create and enjoy art while slaves, I'm pretty sure you could do the same under a socialist regime. :doge
Def cuts both ways. Like I said, I don’t think capitalism is perfect. No system is.
I’m conflicted on the claim that all white bands then cribbed from black musicians. Or at least, deliberately stole.
Back in the early rock days they would often play music they just loved. And would almost always, and I could be wrong on this, give credit for where they got that inspiration. There’s exceptions to this of course and certainly your case of racist rockstars (especially of the blues bent) like Clapton.
But I think it’s far too cynical to say that they all deliberately stole from black musicians.
I think Jimi Hendrix throws a wrench into the argument. When jimi first started playing with these bands he recorded and played covers. They all played shit they adored and placed in high esteem. The first night Jimi played with Cream he played Wolf’s Killing Floor. His first major hit was a cover called Hey Joe. All along the Watchtower. These guys liked paying tribute to artists they idolized and often would be open to where they got it from. Even to the point of inviting blues kings to the U.K. to tour to give them viable business. So if they loved Muddy Waters they’d give Muddy a bone and be like,”I got everything I know from Muddy” and have him play.
Even when they didn’t give credit, as Led Zep did with You Shook Me, the song is so dramatically different from the original that the accusation of stealing almost sounds like a stretch.
Did some white musicians steal from black musicians? Certainly. But I think this takes away from artistic process and inspiration. Or else you could say hip hop producers stole from the people they sampled from. Clearly in both cases the musicians were just inspired by the music they heard in their youth.
This is now a music thread.
When did YOU get into the blues? What happened to Mr. “I don’t get jazz?” :gladbron
I could talk about this shit all day breh.
What is your favorite blues song?
Sorry for the late reply PD. I’m at work as my partner today is being slow af. I have my numbers down because of him and have to work much harder now. Smh.
this is not the best post because I wrote this under the influence of Benadryl
https://youtu.be/H4DDNjC5OTQ
You didn't say they were the creations of capitalism, true. I'm just disagreeing with the idea that capitalism led to major benefits for the BLACK creators of those genres. Did capitalism help...Howlin Wolf get more shows in the 60s and 70s? Sure. But capitalism also ensured the blues (and rock) were effectively pillaged by white artists who earned far more money off it than the black creators. Not to mention the (white) record label culture vultures who swooped in and bought the rights to a lot of that music.
In terms of these things only being capable in a capitalist society...gonna need evidence of that. Because all those genres were created under the worst possible environment for people (slavery and jim crow). If you can create and enjoy art while slaves, I'm pretty sure you could do the same under a socialist regime. :doge
Def cuts both ways. Like I said, I don’t think capitalism is perfect. No system is.
I’m conflicted on the claim that all white bands then cribbed from black musicians. Or at least, deliberately stole.
Back in the early rock days they would often play music they just loved. And would almost always, and I could be wrong on this, give credit for where they got that inspiration. There’s exceptions to this of course and certainly your case of racist rockstars (especially of the blues bent) like Clapton.
But I think it’s far too cynical to say that they all deliberately stole from black musicians.
I think Jimi Hendrix throws a wrench into the argument. When jimi first started playing with these bands he recorded and played covers. They all played shit they adored and placed in high esteem. The first night Jimi played with Cream he played Wolf’s Killing Floor. His first major hit was a cover called Hey Joe. All along the Watchtower. These guys liked paying tribute to artists they idolized and often would be open to where they got it from. Even to the point of inviting blues kings to the U.K. to tour to give them viable business. So if they loved Muddy Waters they’d give Muddy a bone and be like,”I got everything I know from Muddy” and have him play.
Even when they didn’t give credit, as Led Zep did with You Shook Me, the song is so dramatically different from the original that the accusation of stealing almost sounds like a stretch.
Did some white musicians steal from black musicians? Certainly. But I think this takes away from artistic process and inspiration. Or else you could say hip hop producers stole from the people they sampled from. Clearly in both cases the musicians were just inspired by the music they heard in their youth.
This is now a music thread.
When did YOU get into the blues? What happened to Mr. “I don’t get jazz?” :gladbron
I could talk about this shit all day breh.
What is your favorite blues song?
Sorry for the late reply PD. I’m at work as my partner today is being slow af. I have my numbers down because of him and have to work much harder now. Smh.
Not all white bands, but it would be hard to deny that many of the major bands of the time were ripping stuff from black artists. Especially riffs. Not to mention the British Invasion and Elvis. The capitalism argument comes into play here because most of the black innovators were ignored or didn't make much money from what they created. This isn't unique to rock/blues. Hell look at the money EDM "DJs" make off gentrified house music, compared to the black creators (many of whom were gay). Or how faux celeb DJs might get paid to host a party at the same rate as actual DJs like Kid Capri or Jazzy Jeff.
I've always liked jazz music, my issue was moreso I didn't dive into certain areas/subgenres of it initially.
The counter to my argument btw is not just Jimi Hendrix, it's all those blues player. If you go back, it's clear Mick Jagger and all the white rockers revered blues players. Some even helped them tour, got them deals, etc. The white rockers benefited from how our society and economy worked, but I wouldn't call most of them exploitive in the sense that they were racists who fucked over black artists. The system did that. And they benefited from the system. And that system is capitalism.
:yeshrug
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPJgtQwtVVA
All those dudes loved Hendrix, BB King, Howlin Wolf etc. And as I said, some of those black artists benefited by gaining new (white fans), whereas black fans had moved on to other genres of music.
IDK, reading your statement Shosta ...iirc this whole thing started because Cindi tried to convert Kara, and then Kara made a good bike joke, and then Cindi tried to find someone else to fight with
You can't have it both ways Cindi, you can't credit capitalism for the positive proliferation of America's diverse music scene because it happened to occur under it's broad umbrella and then ignore the shitty racist stuff that also happened under its purview, often strengthened and solidified by its direct dynamics.
That’s fair. But I’m separating capitalism from Jim Crow segregation and also radio segregation. So in my mind they’re completely different because nothing was stopping some white boy or girl from listening to James Brown when they got the same radio waves. Capitalism allowed that shit to exist. But it’s not capitalism’s fault man decided to segregate something as holy and beautiful as getting down (tm).
wait kara is a socialist?
or even correctly identifying the conditions that lead to truly flourishing arts (widespread humanism, serious tragedy, economic hardship, cross cultural pollination).
Or for an example from the capitalist world the Japanese new wave made some of the boldest avant garde films ever in part because of all that shit we all know about the 60s but just as much because Japanese movie studios were desperate because they were losing money to TV and made the most inexplicable business decision of all time and hired a bunch of freaks who were sick of how nice Ozu made Japanese society seem.
Wait so now himuro is for a lot of socialist things like healthcareshe's christian i gather from this thread, healthcare seems to be pretty compatible with christian values no?
Thats a new record for flip flopping
I havent seen BP because I'm not really interested in a political message when watching a marvel movie.
I provided a nice clean exit for the thread, and even Shosta was having the right idea by not reading, but now this shit's going to go on for another 5 pages :stahp
Wait so now himuro is for a lot of socialist things like healthcare
Thats a new record for flip flopping
Wait so now himuro is for a lot of socialist things like healthcareshe's christian i gather from this thread, healthcare seems to be pretty compatible with christian values no?
Thats a new record for flip flopping
I provided a nice clean exit for the thread, and even Shosta was having the right idea by not reading, but now this shit's going to go on for another 5 pages :stahp
or even correctly identifying the conditions that lead to truly flourishing arts (widespread humanism, serious tragedy, economic hardship, cross cultural pollination).Or for an example from the capitalist world the Japanese new wave made some of the boldest avant garde films ever in part because of all that shit we all know about the 60s but just as much because Japanese movie studios were desperate because they were losing money to TV and made the most inexplicable business decision of all time and hired a bunch of freaks who were sick of how nice Ozu made Japanese society seem.
or even correctly identifying the conditions that lead to truly flourishing arts (widespread humanism, serious tragedy, economic hardship, cross cultural pollination).Or for an example from the capitalist world the Japanese new wave made some of the boldest avant garde films ever in part because of all that shit we all know about the 60s but just as much because Japanese movie studios were desperate because they were losing money to TV and made the most inexplicable business decision of all time and hired a bunch of freaks who were sick of how nice Ozu made Japanese society seem.
if you're referring to the art theater guild, i believe toho only financed and partly owned its chain of cinemas, not their films which were self produced with some help from oshima.
art theater guild only started to produce their own movies once distributing foreign films, particularly western ones, became unlucrative.
but independent to atg was the whole pink film industry, which too was free from the shackles of major studios up until the 70s when studios started realizing sex sells
however, toho and other studios did use the independent movement as a means to scout talent, especially for directors that could make films on the cheap.
For me it’s more than socialism. It’s colelctivism in general. I think we can all agree that Reset Era isn’t socialist. They buy, buy, buy without abandon and no self restraint. But they art perfectly comfortably censoring The Last Night because of its supposed message. They bemoan comedy that they don’t agree with and think it shouldn’t even exist. And they’re not even socialist. But they certainly show the dangers of falling to a collectivist society.
One of the largest reasons I am no longer socialist is because I am an artist and aspiring film maker. Arguing with people with collectivist outlooks on why certain art has a right to exist told me that they do not have the same values as me. Oh, we agree the poor shouldn’t be destitute and that there shouldn’t be an elite class of rich people that broker and influence the bulk of society but why does necessitate socialism or any other collective ideology?
Can you please point out to me any collective political philosophy that values diversity in artistic opinion?
And let’s not act like communism only existed within the USSR.
nature will take care of it :rejoice
And let’s not act like communism only existed within the USSR.
Socialism as an idea has existed for centuries before Soviet Russia. And socialist ideas have been implemented, with great success, throughout those times. So lets not paint modern authoritarian regimes as paragons of socialist philosophy.
And let’s not act like communism only existed within the USSR.
about that... the fifth generation of chinese filmmakers were the first to graduate from the bejing film academy post-cultural revolution and in my opinion, produced some of the finest directors and films to ever grace cinema, e.g. kaige chen's yellow earth and zhang yimou's raise the red lantern.
what makes this class so unique is that many of the film makers did come from privileged backgrounds only to have everything stripped away from them during the cultural revolution, which i assume we all know was one of the most brutal transition periods in all of history.
zhang yimou for example was the son of a doctor and a dermatologist and during the revolution found himself working as a farm laborer and later a cotton textile mill for nearly a decade. he had to buy his first camera selling his own blood and developed the film using toliet water.
many of yimou's classmates had similar stories so you can easily imagine how they weren't exactly enamored with the communist party. their early films used a lot of allegory and metaphors to both work around the censors and as a means to critique the ruling party.
to get an idea of the hardships the chinese went through during the revolution, watch yimou's to live, which coincidentally is when he started to became a full communist shill.
he was boiging gong li on the side during this time so whose to blame him :trumps
anyways, imo chinese cinema has always been more pertinent to this discussion than say, fucking cuba or even russia. although they did have a hand, it wasn't exactly the government that killed this type of filmmaking. instead it was the rapidly changing economics of the country. let that sink in for a moment
She destroyed and demoralized the borg.The Borg...Collective :thinking
nature will take care of it :rejoice
(https://i.imgur.com/xvLW2W5.jpg)
http://www.worldbank.org
1 billion out of poverty since 1990 :rejoice
(https://i.imgur.com/xvLW2W5.jpg)
"Black Capitalism" sounds like a superhero name. Or a band. :thinking
http://www.worldbank.org
1 billion out of poverty since 1990 :rejoice
thank you Communist China! :rejoicespoiler (click to show/hide)the last time I had this same sassy response to this same point, we wound up having pictures of starving kids spammed all over the board twice[close]
Today's assignment is to define "socialism" in a way that encompasses the political economy of Venezuela while excluding that of China.
You're missing my point, which I think was pretty clear. Under what definitions can we credit China's success to "capitalism" and blame Venezuela's failures on "socialism?"
Also not sure why you think I would rate the WaPo op-ed page.
How can this be? It’s true that Bolivia has been on the receiving end of a staggering boom in natural resources for much of the past decade, as both the volume of its gas and mining exports and the price they fetch abroad jumped at the same time. Export revenue grew six-fold in the decade after Evo Morales, the charismatic hard-left president, took power, from $2.2 billion just before of his election to $12.9 billion at the peak of the boom.
So yes, that’s a bit like putting the game settings on “easy” when it comes to development. But it can hardly explain why Bolivia thrives while Venezuela spirals: Venezuela enjoyed an even bigger commodities boom, with exports climbing from $23 billion before the oil boom to $153 billion at its peak.
[...]
And past performance is no guarantee of future returns. Bolivia is now clearly having trouble adjusting to lower commodity prices: Since 2015 it’s been running large deficits, drawing down its international reserves far too fast as the government resists the kind of spending cuts it will take to adjust to the new normal. Keep that up for another few years, and Bolivia could find itself on the same downward trajectory Venezuela is now on.
[...]
What’s clear is that the supposedly obvious link between socialism and economic ruin doesn’t check out. It’s not just that it’s easy to find counter examples of socialist governments that fail to set off economic collapse, like Bolivia. It’s also that catastrophe has more often than not come at the hand of committed anti-socialists. Bouts of acute economic chaos ending in hyperinflation broke out in Argentina, Brazil, Peru, and even in Bolivia itself back in the 1980s, each time under centrist or right-wing governments deeply at odds with the socialist left.
Socialism, it turns out, explains nothing about why some countries turn into economic basketcases. Instead, it muddles the debate for political ends, delegitimizing progressive policies that have often been shown to work while convincing conservatives that it’s okay when they recklessly overspend. After all, if it isn’t economic recklessness that causes economic chaos, but rather an abstract noun (“socialism”), why shouldn’t right-wingers overspend?
I really want to read a story on Black Panther's CG. Was Infinity War being done concurrently and Marvel hired the better effects studios for that? Was relatively more of Black Panther's budget eaten up by set design and location shooting?
The first antman looked infinitely better. Budget isn't a good enough reason. I just don't think Disney gave enough of a fuck. Movie was a guaranteed success either way.
Today's assignment is to define "socialism" in a way that encompasses the political economy of Venezuela while excluding that of China.
Today's assignment is to define "socialism" in a way that encompasses the political economy of Venezuela while excluding that of China.
Trivial solution. Socialism is the political economy of venezuela.
BP had too much darkness involved in many of the scenesuh, wow
The real message of Black Panther is the triumph of an import substitution industrial policy.
yeah, the bit where they introduce valkyrie and her spaceship is shooting gatling guns the green screen background stood out and looked really badThor: Ragnarok also had a slightly smaller budget and didn't have the same problems, so it's not strictly money.
I really don't think they realized what a big deal it would be when they were in production. The sequel will probably be better in that department.
What? I had Thor Ragnarok had obvious CGI problems too. Aside that anime shot of Thor jumping on the bridge it looked pretty bad too.
I agree that Black Panther looked worse, though.
(https://i.imgur.com/4aDUXnw.jpg) :myniccaSomeone make a REE thread about this.
The real message of Black Panther is the triumph of an import substitution industrial policy.
Today's assignment is to define "socialism" in a way that encompasses the political economy of Venezuela while excluding that of China.
Trivial solution. Socialism is the political economy of venezuela.
(https://i.imgur.com/4aDUXnw.jpg) :myniccaThat's hilarious. Didn't Kanye have a lyric about fucking light skinned girls?
I think there is a point to the darkness thing affecting the CGI at least in drastic lighting cases, BP had too much darkness involved in many of the scenes using it.
Cindi, after thinking about I think it’s wrong to insinuate Black Panther had a message. That sort of thinking encourages FatherMike to continue watching these mediocre Marvel movies.
Cindi, after thinking about I think it’s wrong to insinuate Black Panther had a message. That sort of thinking encourages FatherMike to continue watching these mediocre Marvel movies.
Good movies don't have messages.
Name one good movie - other than The Dark Knight or the Fast and Furious franchise - that has a message?
Name one good movie - other than The Dark Knight or the Fast and Furious franchise - that has a message?
The original Ghostbusters, a cautionary tale about the EPA.
Are you 13?
Don't answer if assimilate is on
(https://i.imgur.com/4aDUXnw.jpg) :myniccaThat's hilarious. Didn't Kanye have a lyric about fucking light skinned girls?
How come black dudes get a pass for racism and misogyny? I don't get it. Is it because they're a POC with no agency?
apologize to tvc, publicly
(https://i.imgur.com/4aDUXnw.jpg) :myniccaThat's hilarious. Didn't Kanye have a lyric about fucking light skinned girls?
How come black dudes get a pass for racism and misogyny? I don't get it. Is it because they're a POC with no agency?
Name one good movie - other than The Dark Knight or the Fast and Furious franchise - that has a message?Requiem for a Dream
(https://i.imgur.com/4aDUXnw.jpg) :myniccaThat's hilarious. Didn't Kanye have a lyric about fucking light skinned girls?
How come black dudes get a pass for racism and misogyny? I don't get it. Is it because they're a POC with no agency?
This post is dumb and you should feel dumb. Black men get criticized for this often.
Also how is liking light skin girls racism? Do you realize by light skin girls he basically means light skin black women? You mean colorism right? Which many black women reguarly talk about?
Never mind that black women criticized MBJ for the very act you quoted. You’re a troll. And a bad one. Or very, very dumb.
no, fuck wrath :pacspitapologize to tvc, publicly
???
You mean Wrath?
ASS TOO ASS :clap :clapName one good movie - other than The Dark Knight or the Fast and Furious franchise - that has a message?Requiem for a Dream
(https://i.imgur.com/4aDUXnw.jpg) :myniccaThat's hilarious. Didn't Kanye have a lyric about fucking light skinned girls?
How come black dudes get a pass for racism and misogyny? I don't get it. Is it because they're a POC with no agency?
This post is dumb and you should feel dumb. Black men get criticized for this often.
Also how is liking light skin girls racism? Do you realize by light skin girls he basically means light skin black women? You mean colorism right? Which many black women reguarly talk about?
Never mind that black women criticized MBJ for the very act you quoted. You’re a troll. And a bad one. Or very, very dumb.
It’s funny because someone on ree brought up colorism and everyone in the other thread rushed to mock the term.
(https://i.imgur.com/4aDUXnw.jpg) :myniccaThat's hilarious. Didn't Kanye have a lyric about fucking light skinned girls?
How come black dudes get a pass for racism and misogyny? I don't get it. Is it because they're a POC with no agency?
This post is dumb and you should feel dumb. Black men get criticized for this often.
Also how is liking light skin girls racism? Do you realize by light skin girls he basically means light skin black women? You mean colorism right? Which many black women reguarly talk about?
Never mind that black women criticized MBJ for the very act you quoted. You’re a troll. And a bad one. Or very, very dumb.
It’s funny because someone on ree brought up colorism and everyone in the other thread rushed to mock the term.
stalker alert
ASS TOO ASS :clap :clapName one good movie - other than The Dark Knight or the Fast and Furious franchise - that has a message?Requiem for a Dream
Except asgard doesn't exist so they couldn't just film asgard backdrops
Except asgard doesn't exist so they couldn't just film asgard backdrops
asgard is not a place it's a people ::)
8)Except asgard doesn't exist so they couldn't just film asgard backdrops
asgard is not a place it's a people ::)
The dump I just took was so mighty that Killmonger’s going to have to send some of those war rhinos to Oakland to help Lear the sewers.
The dump I just took was so mighty that Killmonger’s going to have to send some of those war rhinos to Oakland to help Lear the sewers.
Only W’Kabi, the head of security in the Border Tribe could summon the war rhinos you FUCKING IDIOT GOD
Oh, does her outlet have one I missed?
Alt right hates religion lmao.
Alt right hates religion lmao.
:thinking
Alt right hates religion lmao.
:thinking
Alt right hates religion lmao.
:thinking
This is one of the main defining features of the alt right.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/3k7jx8/too-many-atheists-are-veering-dangerously-toward-the-alt-right
Those on the left are so hell bent on labeling anything they disagree with alt right that they don’t even know what alt right even is. Because they spend so much time in echo chambers, cutting off anyone for wrong think.
If you have an enemy at least learn what they are and what they represent.
This intellectual laziness is exactly how someone like Jordan Peterson can be labeled alt right by the left even though he embodies none of their qualities.
The original alt-right people were the Dark Enlightenment dopes. Then Richard Spencer jumped on it to cover up his standard fare white supremacy and bought all the URLs. Then it sorta spread to a kinda libertarian-conservative group that hates immigrants/muslims and often worries about transgenders and usually rather not secretly the gays too. I think initially they were calling themselves Liberalists or something like that before they roped themselves in. Then it just kinda became all the Trump supporters, especially the ones who were sorta ironically doing memes that transformed into actually supporting him.Hahaha amazing edit :rejoice
Also, to see if Spencer still owned all the URLs like alternativeright.com and altright.com I went to his site and coincidentally with the Alex Jones stuff I noticed that this video is still on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rnRPhEwELo
:hitler
I like how all these racists make dramatic, epic trailer music, videos like this, reminds me of this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR-lAGj_dlQspoiler (click to show/hide)which i made better here with one weird trick (shameless embed :doge)spoiler (click to show/hide)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naQQeY5JiJkspoiler (click to show/hide)*gets banned from YouTube for hate content, Richard Spencer's account stays up*[close][close][close]
Candace OwensLooks like she got in a serious tussle with another black person:
probably my favorite thing is MSNBC's framing it as "ON THE CHARLOTTESVILLE ANNIVERSARY" especially on the chryon the whole time
second is Candace immediately complaining she was asked to be on TV :lol