THE BORE
General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Bebpo on August 29, 2018, 02:57:54 AM
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So I picked up Generations Ultimate on Switch and put a couple hours in and coming from World it wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be. Took me a bit to figure out how the gathering/maps/paintball stuff worked, but figured it out.
My main question is I'm not sure how the progression works if I'm just going to play this single player (mainly bought it for traveling).
There's the main town and doing quests unlocks more quests. The problem is at least at 2-star, most of the quests are boring shit and only like 3 of the quests are actual hunts outta 12 or so. Do I just gotta grind out all the zzz gathering/small monster stuff to keep progressing? At a certain point does that stop and you can just stick to hunting missions only to advance? Because in World I felt like you could and all the gathering/small monster missions were pretty optional for armor spheres and money.
Then there's all these other town hubs, but I'm guessing they're just nostalgia and the old towns from the previous games? Like they don't have different quests/items/weapons, so you can ignore them, right?
But then there's the gathering hub, which unlike World where it's just the multiplayer place, here it's like a full town and your rank is completely different from the single player and there are lots of cool daily quests, challenge quests, dlc quests to do.
1) Since the ranks are separate, should I just stop with the story mode and play through the game by going through the gathering hub increasing my HR level and doing harder and harder hunts while upgrading? Because I have zero interest in the storyline.
2) Otherwise, in World when you want to grind monster parts you do investigations because the monsters drop more parts. How do you grind monsters here for drops? Just keep replaying their quest over and over?
Otherwise, my initial observations coming from world is gathering isn't terrible but it takes longer so I don't bother gathering when out on non-gathering missions, the paintball thing is ok but if you miss or it wears off and the monster leaves the zone it can be a pain to find them again. I don't mind the zones other than the constant loading. I don't mind the graphics downgrade much. The couple real monsters I've fought so far have been pretty fun and more lively. I feel like it's harder to notice you're being hit and taking damage in this than world. Like a lot of attacks don't knock you down and so if you're not paying attention to your lifebar you don't notice you've been hit and lost half you life whoops.
I only played Hammer in World and trying Hammer here it feels kinda shitty and way less fluid. Also doesn't feel like it has the satisfying skull crushing impact that it does in World. I picked Long Sword for my main in Ultimate. Never played LS in World and it's taking some getting used to with the spirit bar thing but it's fun. I like the hunter art that goes with it at the start where you take a step back and then slash forward at the enemy doing bleed damage and increasing your spirit bar.
Anyhow, seems pretty dope. Haven't even looked into how to use Palicos. I have 2 from the intro tutorial and they help me fight but I need to look into teaching them some skills. Just gotta figure out the main way to progress and grind in this game and I should be good to go after watching a Long Sword guide.
Oh and I miss the jumping and sliding everywhere from World. Feels like that aspect of the game isn't in it unless you pick the aerial style. I'm just using the standard guild style at the moment.
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2) Otherwise, in World when you want to grind monster parts you do investigations because the monsters drop more parts. How do you grind monsters here for drops? Just keep replaying their quest over and over?
Yes to replaying
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Another thing is that this game is not very helpful as to what real rank missions are in hunters hub. Story-mode is fine, I'm rank 2 and the rank 2 quests are my level. But in Hunters hub there's all these event quests and I tried the quest of the day which is only 1-star against Royal Ludroth.
Well after 50 mins when my time ran out it was pretty fucking clear that my lvl.1 weapon with 70 damage was not strong enough to be fighting R.Ludroth solo. But how was I supposed to know what point I was strong enough since the quest just says 1-star and I'm taking down 2-star hunts in solo story mode ok with my current damage output.
Also fighting a monster above my level for 50 mins showed me some annoyances in this pre-world MH. Like the monster leaves the zone to the next and you follow and then he hits you back into the zone you came from when you get into the new zone :| This happened a handful of times. Also the monster continually leaving and going back and forth between zones over and over again was annoying, although this was more because my damage output was obviously way too low so he'd keep healing a bit as he went back and forth dragging the fight on forever.
I think I should avoid the hunter hub until I finish story mode...
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Tactically.
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Ok, ordered the real MH game for the pre-order $12 off. Will give it a shot and see if I can get into non-MHW MH.
Yeah, just give the tutorials some time. You'll have to learn how to paintball instead of relying on fireflies, and there's probably more menu cruft, but at the end of the day MH is still MH. I can see World people getting super annoyed with the maps being zone-based but if you can get out of that hurtle you'll probably gel with it really well.
GU's strength is its monster count though, so I'm not sure I'd recommend it to World newbies if they still have a lot left to do in that game. If you've run through World and are bored of the online, GU will serve up some fresh fights. :)
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Ok, so on era they told me that all the gathering hub quests give the monsters 2.5x health, which explains my 50 min time out using my weakass sword. Since I'm not doing MP, will just stick to the village quests.
I definitely prefer how World merges single player & MP. I don't like the idea that if I ever want to play MP, even 100 hours of village quests in, I need to start at HR1.
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Makes sense to me. Online is a completely different game mode. It's like wondering why your Death Match score doesn't transfer to King of the Hill in FPS games or whatever.
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Not really?
If you've fought all the toughest monsters in HR in the village quests and beaten them.
Why should you have to jump back to fighting the low-level guys for hours and hours just to get your HR back up and unlock higher level quests?
Like if you beat the village quests and then want to grind some endgame boss for parts with other people, you can't do it if you're HR1.
Or if you're avoiding the village quests and just doing MP progression. If no one is online, now you can't progress in HR and get the parts you need because all the enemies are buffed for 4p.
MHW's way is much better imo since when you're just grinding monsters you've already beat for drops you can do it with other people to make it more dynamic and fun and less repetitive.
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I feel like it’s closer to if Diablo made you keep a separate character for MP and one for SP
On the other hand, I get that keeping them separate keeps the challenge of SP. If someone beats SP, it’s 100% on their own skills and not with anyone else’s help as a crutch.
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Starting to get the hang of this, it's pretty cool. There's a lot of depth there with the 6 hunter styles (although Alchemy is dumb and useless outside MP, so 5 styles for solo, so Striker is also essentially just standard guild minus a hop or too but gaining an extra hunter art so not that different. Still, Guild/Striker, Adept, Aerial, Valor are all pretty unique playing).
Also this is sorta reminding me how deep each weapon is despite their small movelists. It took my entire 30-50 hours of MHW to get the hang of Hammer and no other weapon. It's gonna easily take me 20-40 hours of getting through the village quests in GU to really learn Long Sword. And then there's still 12 other weapons I can learn at some point if I want.
Finding a guide that showed the "key quests" for each rank in village quests was helpful. That way each rank is just like 4-5 quests and most are hunts. Don't have to spend much time gathering.
Speaking of which, because Generations Ultimate starts you with ALL the DLC from Generations, you start with like 1 million bucks and 99 of every item. This goes a long way towards remedying the tediousness of gathering. Don't see myself having to gather for a long while since I have what I need to get pretty far in the single player.
It's pretty interesting seeing how close this and World are. Outside some small stuff they're essentially the same game, which is cool both ways. Looking forward to enjoying all the monsters in GU and then getting back and finishing World SP. This game is definitely making me more of a fan of Monster Hunter.
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The Zone stuff is fine since you can cheese the fuck out of it.
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Did my first online fight against the Great Maccao. The hardest part was 4 people figuring out how to join a MP quest together and start the quest. Once we figured it out, it isn't too different than World. The more I play GU/XX the more I notice how GU/XX and World are pretty much the same game just with some slight differences. GU/XX feels like the scaled down portable version w/more content.
That being said, having never played Long Sword in World, I took a look at a Long Sword vid from World and wow they really changed the moveset up completely in World. Looks way more fun and incorporates various moves from the X/XX styles/arts like Aerial combat & Adept style counters. Playing Hammer in X/XX also feels worse than in World. I feel like at least from those 2 small samples, World really seems to have improved the weapon movesets and made them much more fun to play.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1pd2B5mA2s
I mean that just looks a lot more fun than my fights right now with LS in GU.
The Zone stuff is fine since you can cheese the fuck out of it.
But that's a bad thing lol; it's kinda bullshit when I get to just heal/whetstone safely with no tension in another zone.
Honestly Zone's aren't a big deal and it makes sense given the handheld limitations, but MHW is definitely more fun with no zones.
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Zones > no zones in my experience
What I played of worlds demo was dumbed down. You no longer actually “hunt”, you follow the marker and the mark has a bunch of random events that make it easier to tackle down the monster. What I played of World made me furious because it’s another example of another game property I like being dumbed down. That said I haven’t played an MH since 3U.
I don’t want MH to look “cool” with lots of aerial options. I’m very simple. Give me a time limit, some bait, and I hunt the monster on scant info.
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biggest rolleyes ever.
You don't hunt monsters in oldschool MH. You throw a paintball on them and follow their marker to the next area.
In World you still have to find the monster first, just like the games before it, and then when it leaves you follow the scoutflies to the next area. It's the exact same thing.
World is easier, everyone who plays MH has pretty much agreed on that, but not because it's been "dumbed down". There's actually more depth there, especially with more use of the environment.
It's easier because you can re-stock items mid-mission (which they should take out), and the enemies hit less hard and are less aggressive in general and they've buffed the hunters giving them better movelists and more agility. They nerfed a few things like not requiring earplugs or hot/cool drinks, but it's pretty minor stuff and they added a lot to make up for it.
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Nope. You aren’t told where the monster is in old MH. In MHW they tell you the general proximity of its location and then you follow some bugs to the exact location. The game goes out of its way to highlight that “these are the monsters foot prints! Follow them!” Giving the general location is one thing. Giving away where the monster is and giving a glorified way point is another point entirely. Sure, I can use a paintball on the monster but that requires me finding it and actively tagging it to achieve that. It shouldn’t be handed to me. In old MH you track the monster yourself, hence monster hunter.
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Ok, so I've been just grinding Great Maccao, Gendrome and Cephadrone over and over with Longsword changing between styles and trying to decide what my playstyle is before finishing the 2 star quests and getting to village 3 star.
Here's what I've found as a beginner to LS:
Guild - Seems ok, mostly gotta be precise about positioning using side step slash and fade slash to move around the monster while keep slashing and building meter and do spirit slash combo during right timing.
Striker - Slightly less movement options but an extra art, but the starting arts are kinda whatever outside Sakura Slash so it doesn't make a difference yet.
Adapt - Tight timing on the rolling into attacks is tough, plus I keep rolling through an attack countering it and then I start running at the monster and its far away and I lose my running counter attack before I can even reach the monster. At least on the 3 monsters above I was grinding I wasn't big on Adept.
Aerial - Ok, I expected this to suck with Longsword since you can only start Spirit Sword combo in the air...but between the longer and better dodge roll and the ease of instant airborne all the time just by rolling into the side leg of the monster over and over and then being over their head so their attacks often miss you and you can jump straight into spirit combo...this style was both fun as hell, easier to dodge attacks, got more attacks in and was able to get to red spirit sword quicker than any of the other styles. Also I get lots of mounts but I don't understand how mounting works here compared to World. I can't seem to down the monster and always get knocked off. I get that R is hold on and X is stab but is there anything else I need to be aware of?
Valor - I still don't completely get this. I'm hitting a lot and whenever I'm about to get attacked I'm canceling into sheathing (or I just stand and sheathe if I'm far and the enemy is approaching to attack me) and then I get hit during sheathing and dodge counter while taking a little damage and then I hit R and do a nice slash kinda counter after and then back to slashing with sheathing between every couple slashes or when I anticipate an attack coming. My sword often turns blue but goes to no other color. Seems like this style lets me continually keep attacking with counter dodge roll -> counter slashes in between. Feels like I killed the monsters the fastest because the continual attacking but I also took more damage because getting hit during the sheathing still takes some damage.
Alchemy - didn't try, don't plan to unless I'm playing MP.
Right now I feel like it's a tie between Aerial & Valor LS for what's the most fun/good/interesting style to play for SP. I feel like Aerial is probably better for some monsters (especially if you can mount and down them regularly for big monsters) and worse for others depending on their size, otherwise Valor is the way to go. Guild feels a little slow and precise, Striker is whatever so far until I get more Arts and Adept is too picky for me.
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I played through the non MP portion of MH4U recently which Switch Axe and while I’m convinced that’s my go to when I get back to World I think I’m going to try this with Great Sword again. It just feels right.
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Great Sword is the best.
I really wanted to get into Longsword when I got into the series but no dice. Great Sword just feels better.
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Long sword for life
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Long sword for life
Not enough POWAAAAHHHH
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Great Sword always <3 I only long sword to annoy people when in groups (and then only with other veterans that know I'm doing it intentionally as a joke).
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The Zone stuff is fine since you can cheese the fuck out of it.
But that's a bad thing lol; it's kinda bullshit when I get to just heal/whetstone safely with no tension in another zone.
Honestly Zone's aren't a big deal and it makes sense given the handheld limitations, but MHW is definitely more fun with no zones.
Eh its you taking advantage when you have fucked up.
I actually like the tension the no zones bring in World though even if i will use the Ghillie Mantle :P
And Hammer Bro 4 Life due to the dizzys and knockdowns 8)
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Ugh should I buy this
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I did. It's my first MH game since one on the PSP that I got bored of an hour in. Enjoying it so far.
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Long sword for life
Not enough POWAAAAHHHH
Finesse > Power
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Sex is less satisfying than bringing a GS down on a swooping Rath's head right as it closes for the kill... and disrupts its animation, sending it hard into the ground, wailing helplessly as you carve it up.
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...:obama I might have to try GH.
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(https://i.gifer.com/Xre1.gif)
BAM, BITCH!
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Rathalos: I've made a huge mistake.
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:obama
You’re selling me
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One you learn the animations (right?) it's really just a matter of not drinking a potion at the wrong time, much like most of MH, haha.
And for sure it's clumsy and slow and all the bad things newbies call it when they choose it as their first weapon since it looked cool on the boxart. It's certainly all of those things, but it's also so much more.
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I’ll try it. Should I get this or world
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Don't ask me. 😬
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From reading your previous posts, it sounds like you'd probably like Hunter Generations more.
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Played multiplayer for 5 hours straight this afternoon with a friend. I'm in love with this game.
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My buddy got me hooked on playing the game while I do cardio on the treadmill/elliptical. Detached joycons work great. I've been doing a few hunts each morning.
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My buddy got me hooked on playing the game while I do cardio on the treadmill/elliptical. Detached joycons work great. I've been doing a few hunts each morning.
I...have never thought of something like this. Not that I own a treadmill or elliptical but hmm. :ohhh
Then again, knowing my luck I would trip up, tear an ACL, and break the switch (not necessarily in that order).
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We actually both started back in the day while playing Animal Crossing on the 3DS. The detached joycons are great. Took me a few times before I started feeling comfortable but it works great now.
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I’ll try it. Should I get this or world
1000% World
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Running 10km while playing Monster Hunter is a delight.
:rejoice
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No homo but why not run outside breh
Running inside while playing vidya feels messed up
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I'm not much of a runner so inside > outside for me for the time being. As I acclimate, I might start to go out more.
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Sex is less satisfying than bringing a GS down on a swooping Rath's head right as it closes for the kill... and disrupts its animation, sending it hard into the ground, wailing helplessly as you carve it up.
Charging up a nut and busting it all over a charging Tigrex' head :rejoice
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We actually both started back in the day while playing Animal Crossing on the 3DS. The detached joycons are great. Took me a few times before I started feeling comfortable but it works great now.
That’s kind of genius actually. I never thought of that’s
Reading from the bottom up I was like, how the fuck can you run while holding a Switch? But detached not cons make perfect sense.
Biggest thing keeping me from doing this is a sense of shame doing that in a room with a few dozen other people.
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Meh. No one at the gym gives a fuck what anyone else is doing. If that's the time you allot to game, then you're multitasking like a pro.
Side note, though we do play at the gym, most of my cardio is done at home.
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GORE MAGALA
holy shit, that fight was epic! First time fighting him, just starting rank 6 Village, still wearing armor from like rank 3 Tetsucabara because not a fan of grinding armor sets until I have to, I blow through all 10 of my megapotions in like the first 5-10 mins, then it's DO OR DIE TIME and I start getting the hang of dodging all his shit and weaving between with my hits in with my LS. Get a long good run in, even surviving when he's all DARK VOID version, and then I cart once, go back and have a really great run for the next 5 mins dodging everything and hitting him non-stop breaking parts with a win. I went into that fight half-assed figuring I'd just check him out and do it another time, but IT GOT SERIOUS. Really satisfying monster, has a great movelist. Glaveneus right before him was a bit tough too. These rank 6 fights are getting fun.
Around 25 hours in now, finally got the hang of the game about 10 hours ago and it's a ton of fun. Enjoying this more than World, although I haven't hit the grind yet. The grind seems like it could be a lot more tedious to grind out armors/weapon upgrades in this compared to World, but for now this is great. Almost at High Rank!
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Zinogre was kinda annoying. He seems easy, but I’d get greedy and keep attacking and then he’s so agile I’d take big hits constantly. Sometimes he’d actually be aiming at my Palico and I run in the path and take a hit since he’s backflip smash thing has huge smash range. Failed my first quest against him and finally made some new gear with better thunder def (was -8, replaced with +5) and beat him but was still a bit close.
Next up Tigrex!
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Got to HR 4 this weekend with my buddy. Still only at 3 solo. I need to put some more time in.
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How are you liking it bebpo
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How are you liking it bebpo
It's great, beat Tigrex on the toilet this morning. Was super easy compared to last couple of 6star village quests. All Tigrex does is crawl around and jump a bit. Probably tougher on HR. Just a couple more until I hit HR village quests.
At some point I should probably play Multiplayer.
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Multiplayer to me is the best part of the game. Might be because it gives my buddy and I a chance to hang out.
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I’m kinda mixed on MP in MH.
It’s super fun, and fights are over quick so if you need to grind parts it’s a great fast way to get them.
But it feels way too easy with 3 other people in World & GU. Not only do monsters only have 2.5x HP and you’re doing 4x damage, but because the monsters often are targeting other people you just get to freely whack on them while not being attacked other than tail swipes or getting hit by the body when it moves.
I like SP for the intense epicly long & challenging satisfying fights, but MP is fun just for the chaos and randomness of playing with others. It doesn’t feel as satisfying to win in MP from my experience but I’ve only played through HR pre-endgame in world and LR in GU so maybe on the higher difficulty monsters it is.
I mostly haven’t played much MP in GU because I haven’t had to grind parts yet.
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The point of online MP isn't the challenge, it's the grind. The fights are easier so they can be attempted over and over with minimal frustration. And it's all worth it when you finally complete that sweet-ass set of armor.
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But I don’t play grind games
/I know MH becomes a grind game
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How are you liking it bebpo
It's great, beat Tigrex on the toilet this morning. Was super easy compared to last couple of 6star village quests. All Tigrex does is crawl around and jump a bit. Probably tougher on HR. Just a couple more until I hit HR village quests.
At some point I should probably play Multiplayer.
Now you need to fight 2 of them on high rank at the same time :doge
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Seregios was ok, dude likes to fly at you and pin you down :maf
Brachydios was kinda annoying slime slime slime EXPLODE
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Brachy :rejoice
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Got to high rank in solo, elder dragon was a bit annoying but beat on first attempt, and yeah I gotta grind out a HR gear set. Taking a ton of damage and not outputting enough at the start. Monkey dude took a long ass time.
Running MP now to get my HR up so I can grind high rank monsters in multi to gear out quick. Almost got HR1 done. Killing HR1 quests in like 3 mins each with a decent team right now.
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Ok, MP seems like a breeze to blow through the campaign if you've got decent equip. Blew through HR1, making progress on HR2 but gotta run for birthday stuff. Seems like its easy to clear an HR key quests set in MP in an 1-2 hour session. Should be able to clear HR2/HR3 quick and get to high rank and grind some gear/weapon sets to get going in solo high rank.
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I finally wrapped up all the low, 2-star quests. Got to play some MP, but not much. The nice thing about MH, is that I only really play for maybe 2-5 hours a week. I should be preoccupied with it before needing to buy any other games on the Switch.
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Trying to understand some of these cooking skills. What does unstable environment mean? A lot of them are this large monster will appear in unstable environment skills.
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After spending a couple days doing lots and lots of high rank quests in Solarium 7 star (aka first tier HR), almost beat it and at 8 star. Didn't end up having to grind MP for gear, still haven't even grinded in solo (aka re-doing a mission I've already beat), I just keep doing new missions and sending my palicos to get parts from monsters I've fought and thanks to the upgrade system my gear is pretty ok, I can take enough hits to give me time to heal.
So couple things after about 5-7 hours in high rank in GU. At first it seemed rough, aka enemies having way more health, doing more damage, being more aggressive, but after getting used to it, it's not much different from low rank outside some monsters being way more agile which just makes them a lot more annoying (Tetsucabara suddenly gets superman agile in high rank lol; Royal Ludroth feels about the same aka annoying ass monster to fight in melee range).
I'm about 35 hours in GU which is about how far I got in World (35-40) and I'm roughly around the sameway through the SP campaign through the end of high rank (well probably about 25 hours more in GU vs like 10-15 left in World) and difficulty-wise the games feel pretty close. Like GU was harder at first just getting used to the enemy patterns and stiffer longsword combat but after getting the hang of those, the games feel pretty dang similar.
I'm also starting to get burnt out on GU, just like I got burnt out on World after about 35-40 hours. There's something about just fighting the same enemies over and over (enemies you've already beat in low rank and now in high rank but slightly different/harder) that starts off fun and gets a bit draining. I still enjoy the new monster fights, but the low rank monsters in high rank are a bit tiring to do one after another in multi-hour solo sessions.
Still gonna gun for clearing through Solarium 10-star in solo and "beating" the SP campaign, but might bail in 8-star depending on how it goes. Maybe just take a break from MH in general and then get back and finish up GU & World. I like them both a lot, but the SP just gets tiring after enough hours. The MP though is a lotta fun so maybe I'll stick with that instead.
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I only put in around 2-5 hours a week, so that's helped me keep my interest in the game. I've also got a buddy that's hardcore into MH that I play with on occasion. I am noticing that there is a ton of grind in terms of playing the same areas and monsters, like you mentioned Bebpo. I haven't done a mission twice either, but it's still a grind. Thankfully, I really only play when I am running on the treadmill, so it keeps me entertained.
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So I think I'm done with Generations Ultimate single player at 8-star. Every fight I do is more bullshit than fun. I have pretty good armor and weapons about as best as I can at this point, but the monsters are just nothing but bullshit over and over again. Roar stunning -> Poisoning knockdown -> hitting you when you get up combos; hitting you with a status effect and then hitting you again with it when you get up, dizzies to roars to trembles to whatever it's nothing but annoying shit. Roars outta nowhere knocking you out of skills you've build up. Hell, one of my style moves as a long sword is a parry counter that gives a few seconds to pull it off, even when I know the monster's pattern, I miss it like 50% of the time because the monster will go instance a stance that shows they're ABOUT TO RAM ME so I go into parry counter and suddenly because they see I'm going into parry counter they just STOP THEIR ANIMATION AND SIT UNTIL MY PARRY IS DONE AND THEN RAM ME.
Sometimes I feel like the monsters in this game don't have patterns. Like I play a ton of character action games and those you learn the patterns, you dodge, you counter, the end. Here it's like their move windows and timings are constantly changing and it's all just kinda random fuckery and good luck.
And then even though the next rank upgrade is available for my Poison Wyvern sword, to get it I need a Rathian Plate which apparently has a 4% drop rate from carves & captures and 1% drop rate from mission rewards. So essentially it's forcing me to change to a different weapon (changing to Thunder sword) because I'm not spending 5-10 hours grinding some 5% drop to get to the next weapon level.
It's just not fun. Even some of the hitboxes feel totally off, like I fought the big spider at the end of 7-star and it's dash move would miss me and I'd still get hit and enrage. Basically at this point the game just makes me want to throw it out the window in SP.
That being said, I'm not going to bail on GU entirely. I'm gonna try sticking with MP only and seeing if it's a lot less bullshit and tedious and more fun. Since MP seems completely separate here, what I'm potentially learning is that Monster Hunter is a great multiplayer game and a stupid single player game for Masochists who hate life.
Also, on top of all this in the last week my pro controller has kept disconnecting at random times, maybe once or twice an hour which is extremely inconvenient. It's at full charge and googling it, it seems like the switch has some disconnecting issues with its bluetooth connection controllers. So now I gotta play plugged in and pull the switch close to my couch and then I accidently knock it over mid-fight :(
What's up with all gaming hardware being shit at connections these days? My PS4 no matter what HDMI cable I use still has handshake issues where it goes black for a second or two every hour or two and now this switch disconnect stuff. It's all so annoying :'( :-\
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Welp, ended up switching over to MP and blew through HR2 & HR3 key quests and now I'm at HR4 high rank in MP and just a little behind where I am in SP (seems like HR5 equivalent). MP seems a lot more lenient with other people and also more fun and less frustrating. Gonna stick with it and see how far I can get before getting frustrated in MP. Would be nice to make it to G-rank.
My stats at this point are about 321 Def with ~200 ATK (30-ish being poison). Dunno how far that'll get me, but will upgrade as I get drops in MP.
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How many hours do you put in a week?
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No idea, I think I went from about 13-38 hours gametime in the last two weeks? But I don’t play every day, just like one or two days a week.
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I picked up World today. Only 2 hours in but so far I'm surprised at how differently they play.
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I played more of each today and I see the similarities now. I think I'm at maybe 40 hours of GU and only 5 in World.
Overall, I think they're both great. World feels like a console game--story driven, meant to be played in several hour increments. Generations Ultimate feels like a great portable game--no real plot, session driven. I am preferring the moment-to-moment combat in World more, simply because I can change attack direction mid-combo. I prefer the combat in GU however, because the Hunter Arts add a great layer of strategy and customization to the hunts, making them far more satisfying. Environment, including exploration is definitely in the favor of World. They are both incredibly satisfying.
My play style lends itself more toward the shorter sessions that GU is built around but I find myself longing for the engrossment that World provides with the environments and story. I'm curious if I will keep playing them in tandem.
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Played a little bit the other night and made a room for HR4 key quests and got through them in about an hour, up to HR5 now. Still enjoying the MP and still coasting on my current gear. I look at some of the HR5/6/7 peoples that join my room and their DEF is like in the low 200s and weapons are like 150 damage, whereas I'm rocking about 350 DEF and almost 200 ATK damage. Plus everything's just easier in 4p MP.
Wondering at what point in the MP progression playing with randoms will we hit a wall where people are carting and having to retry missions and upgrade gear. I'm sure by G-rank, but wonder if the last couple HRs (6/7) in high-rank will bring that.
I also noticed that solely playing key quests I'm missing out on a ton of monster fights. At some point I should just fuck around and fight some of these monsters I've never touched in high rank with people. They might have nice gear!
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Since I turned on my Switch for the first time in a while for Smash, loaded this back up and while the online is really dead atm, sitting around a lobby for 30 mins I got a team and did half the HR5 Key Quests.
Fought Zamtrios
That was...interesting :lol Did not expect the giant fat bouncy ball form haha. Was a lot of fun. Hopefully the MP remains active long enough that I can get back to this and get to G-rank (and maybe through G-rank). I know World is more active since it's the current MH, but for whatever reason I have no motivation to get back to playing World until I clear GU as far as I can take it. GU in 3p or 4p is one of the most fun games I've played in a long time and makes me see what the hype is about for MH. Just like with Smash, MP >>>>> SP.
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Finished up HR5 and got to HR6. Only 2 more ranks to go until my first G-rank!
(https://i.imgur.com/F4x28yoh.jpg)
So satisfying when you clear your final urgent quest on Mizutsune with a perfect counter straight to its head for the finishing blow.
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Played another session today and went through HR6 key quests. All those 40 hours in SP to village 7 or 8 grinding gear paid off. Haven't had to grind any weapons or gear since starting MP through HR7. HR7 monsters are finally starting to hit hard (Seregois did some attack that did like 75% damage to me).
I might want to start upgrading my gear. I looked around and the latest monster gear parts start around 66 DEF each and I'm rocking upgraded pieces that started around 44 DEF, so I could probably get another +20 DEF per piece if I upgraded them all so maybe another +100 DEF. My Wyvern blade lvl.3 poison sword is still ok-ish thanks to poison being really useful. I need some Rathian HR drops and Rathalos drops to get it to lvl.4 so I can get it further. Looks like at this point in MP I should be able to get it to about lvl.5 if I work on it.
But I think for now next time I sit down and play I'll see if I can eek out the HR7 key quests with a team, do Black Diablos and start G-rank proper. If I can survive to G-rank on my current gear set I'll start upgrading when I hit G-rank with G-rank armor. But if I start dying in HR7 I'll upgrade.
I feel like MP fights are starting to get a bit more intense at HR6/7, up through HR5 with 3-4 people always felt like ez mode, but now it's more fun (and still pretty quick compared to SP fights). Haven't fount any of the special permit monsters yet like Dreadqueen Rathalos and Snowrabbit guy or whatever. Should give them a shot sometime.
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If I can get a couple people together tonight I'm finishing High Rank in MP. Unlocked the final urgent quest last night against the double headed bone dragon. Just gotta do that and then I guess the gate keeper for G-rank (black diablos) unlocks?
The hardest part about GU is honestly that it's an old ass game and the community has moved on. I usually can get 3 other people to join in on a key quest lobby I make, but sometimes I can't and sometimes it takes 30-60 mins to fill.
At some point I really need to go back to my World save lol before World's online community dies too, I'm thinking I might wait until right before the G-rank expansion Iceborn comes out and people get back on the game prepping to enter G-rank, double dip and grab the PC version and start over with an active community and speedrun my way up to G-rank entry point for the expansion.
I don't play a lot of MP games (almost nothing) and I'm usually real late to the party, so I run into this issue a lot where the online is kinda dead by the time I'm playing. This doesn't usually happen in SP when I'm a year or two or three late to a game.
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So I don't get online etiquette in MH. Sometimes people join 2p and get mad if you don't start and then you start and the fight takes forever because it's only 2 people and they get mad and leave. Just had that happen on Nakarkos final elder dragon fight. Was just 2 of us but the other guy was pushy about starting and then we barely beat it after a long ass time and the guy got pissed and left immediately.
Generally I don't like to start a quest until there's at least 3 people and I prefer 4 people.
Also what's the etiquette on who picks the next quest? Are you supposed to take turns? Or the room creator keeps picking?
Oh and now that I'm at G-rank hub (trying to get people for Black Diablos to open G1 quests), I haven't tried any of these special permit monsters. What's the different between Special Permit monster and Hyper Monster and any other monster types?
I looked at the 93 monster list for GU and I think I've fought most of the non-variant ones outside like 4 or so and a handful of Elder Dragons. Didn't realize Shagaru Magala was an Elder Dragon fight. Thought it was pretty normal good fight with no gimmicks.
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Had even worse experience on Diablos. 2 other people joined (3p) and of course they pressure me to start instead of waiting for a 4th. Then one of them dies and decides to sit in the camp hoping the 2 of us will beat it for him giving him the clear -_- yeah we didn't
Got my first quest fail in MP! :(
Diablos moves way faster here than World!
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So I was gearing all up to grind out some good armor set since I was still rocking some older HR stuff with almost no skills equipped, was going to look into how long it'd take to grind out Dreadking Rathalos for the armor set with Attack L, HG Earplugs, Tenderizer.
But then I stumbled into a good group and we took out Diablos and then we went through all of G1 and did great, I didn't even have any carting and the monsters weren't hitting horribly hard or anything with my armor set. Got to G2/HR10 and did the first key quest (Rathian G-Rank) and beat it with only 3 people since one person left.
So now I'm not sure what I really want out of GU anymore before moving on to World. Despite doing lots of G-rank quests and beating the urgent quest guy like 4x in a row (Barroth), I don't have enough to make any pieces without more grinding.
-Like there seems little point in grinding out any HR armor sets or anymore weapon upgrades since all the G Rank armor has like 2x the DEF stat and the entry weapon tree weapons start at higher than the max level weapons from HR/Hyper monsters. So it seems like if I was gonna grind anything I should just grind like Barroth over and over until I can make a G-rank Barroth full set and max upgrade it. And with weapons, just grind out some new long swords.
-But, I really don't feel like grinding.
-Also I seem to be managing with my current armor stuff (~500 DEF, 186 ATK + 40 Poison) in G2 with a good team. So not super motivated to grind.
-I could try to "beat" the game by getting through G4's final boss. But I have a feeling I'm gonna have to grind G-rank armor/weapons at some point to do that and that doesn't sound fun. Also, now that I've seen G-rank I'm not super motivated to keep going in it. The monsters don't seem much different. Just a little higher stats and maybe a new move or two. The G1 monsters were all little guys and they went down so fast. Barroth was a solid fight though. Rathian G-rank was cool. I also feel like if I jump into some teams at G2 and I'm always going to be the weakest link in any group because my armor/weapons are not even endgame HR.
-I could try to see and beat all the monsters I haven't seen yet. I haven't done any of the 15-20 special permit variant monsters. And for the normal HR monsters there's like 5 or 6 I never encountered because they weren't key quests and no group I was in every did them. Like I've never fought Deviljho. The problem with this is getting a 4p group online to go around doing non-key quest, HR monsters is tough, not a lot of people are interested in that and I'm not strong enough to solo these MP fights with 2.5x HP tanks.
Or I could bail at this point and go back to World. Idk. Next time I have a free night/afternoon I'll look around the online lobbies and see if I can find any groups to do the special permit monsters or to grind G-rank Barroth to get my G-rank starting armor set.
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Just sorta been joining people's games all night and doing random stuff. Ended up with a mis-match of G-rank armor on each part so I've got like 650 DEF but no skills oh well. Using a boring G-rank weapon with no element but like 288 ATK and it seems ok enough.
Did Lan-Shao G-rank (terrible stuff, I hate missions like this), a Shogun Centaur G-rank hyper (kinda fun with a good team), Dreadking Rathalos HR (ok yeah this variant feels pretty different than normal Rathalos!), Did Deviljho Savage HR (holy shit this was hard, I still haven't done regular Deviljho so dunno if the Savage one is what made it so bad. Freaking evil beam of death), did a Gypceros Hyper solo just cause I needed a lvl.1 hyper commedation, then did a Kirin fight (Kirin is annoying in every game, isn't it?).
Still not sure what my end goal is with this game. I probably have enough DEF/ATK at this point to finish G-rank if I want to, I also can probably do all the special permit deviant monsters but getting teams for them will take a while. And there's still the handful of monsters I haven't fought yet. Might try to do all of that stuff over time until I get tired of it and then shelve the game. Dunno.
Playing with people is fun though. MH in MP feels like the old Call of Duty days of just jumping on and beating up stuff with some people for a few hours for fun. Fights are short enough with 4p, have just enough challenge (or a lot of challenge) at hyper/special permit/g-rank versions, and fights always feel doable with a team of 4 because even if you suck you can just sorta poke around until the monster gets knocked down by someone else and then get a bunch of damage in.
Also I had a HR70+ hunting horn guy join one of my groups and daaaaamn hunting horn hi-level is amazing support. We had like Attack/DEF+15%, Unlimited Stamina, HR Earplugs, constant good healing, etc... the entire fight. Feels like every team should have a hunting horn person since they're essentially the white mage of the team. Maybe I should play Hunting Horn when I get back to World.
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Well since I'm just talking to myself here I'm gonna keep talking to myself ;)
Did a few more monsters yesterday. Fought a Gold Rathian which was just kinda annoying because it's Rathian except most areas deflect. Fought a somethingclaw Tigrex (Tigrex Variant) which was pretty cool. It threw boulders.
I'm finding that joining online groups that say TURNS works out good for what I want at this point, which is fighting every monster at least one time to experience it. Including special permits, out of the 93 large monsters in GU I've probably got about 20 left. I think once I fight them all and beat them all at least once I'll move on and back to World. In World I think I'll just try to beat High Rank (aka ending credits) and any monsters I haven't fought by that point at least once and call it a day until the expansion.
I just have zero interest in the grind game in MH. Everyone is running around with complete armor sets and I have like a different piece from every monster on each body part :lol I don't care, I don't want to grind the same monster over and over to get complete sets and have to look up where to get all the small other items needed. Same with weapons, just give me something that does decent enough damage that I feel like I'm contributing and I'm happy. I've got too many games to play to grind.
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What else is there to talk about? The student has become the master.
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Haha, yeah I'm far from it.
I dunno, just wondering what you guys who play non-world MH think about various stuff? Like favorite monsters, weapons, strategies, what your goals are, what skills/armors you like, etc...? I'm new to this whole MH community and want to learn more! :)
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:bow Bebpo :bow2
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I fell off the train in favor of Sea of Thieves. Since I won't be able to play that as much I might get back into MHGU. At least then you'd have someone to talk to. :)