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General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: Himu on October 27, 2018, 03:52:49 PM

Title: The gun thread
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2018, 03:52:49 PM
Separate thread to be considerate.

There's valid reasons why people want to protect and defend themselves and their loved ones with a sidearm at home.

However, having shitlords roam the streets with military grade hardware is just insanity.

Almost all weapons are military grade. You’re just using buzz words.
I don't consider a 6 shooter to be on the same level as an AR-15.
Why on earth would you need an assault rifle for? Or any other automatic weapon for that matter?

I've never seen a news story that said: "Heroic citizen mows down government officials with automatic guns in self defense"

You said military grade.

The point is that the military uses many of the same weapons you just co-signed.

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There's valid reasons why people want to protect and defend themselves and their loved ones with a sidearm at home.

The marines uses Sig Sauer P226 and Glock 19’s. Those are side arm handguns. They are also available to consumers. Shit, the Glock 19 is the Honda Civics of guns. Are those also not military grade? The famous 1911 was originally a military weapon. Mosin Nagants were in military rotation for decades. What does “military grade” even mean? Because if it means the military uses it then, yes, many guns that you support are military grade.

The rifles you are talking about are not automatic. And they have been used in self defense cases.

https://wgntv.com/2018/02/27/man-armed-with-ar-15-stops-attack-by-neighbor-in-oswego/
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-texas-shooting-guns-20171106-story.html

Those are just two examples.

I have questions for you:

How many do you think are killed in a year with AR-15 and rifles like it versus the amount of people that own one?

As for why? Why not? It’s customizable and is one of the best home defense guns.
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: agrajag on October 27, 2018, 03:58:32 PM
If you love guns so much, why don't you marry one?
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2018, 04:07:58 PM
“Pistols can be considered military grade if they’re used by the military. Who are we to draw the arbitrary line?”

“Oh yeah, The AR-15? That shit is super customizable and works like a fucking workhorse, I’ll tell you  :whew “

Nope. I’m asking the definition for military grade. Don’t back down now. You won’t answer because you know that “military grade” is a buzzword and nothing more.
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: agrajag on October 27, 2018, 04:09:05 PM
What is there to debate, which type of gun is most awesome?

the type the use for abortions
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2018, 04:17:08 PM
Let’s see if you guys can engage without mockery.

(https://i.imgur.com/ILczbFv.gif)

I doubt it. It’s all you have tbh.

I will reply with every sarcastic smug post with exactly one :doge
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2018, 04:20:26 PM
What is there to debate, which type of gun is most awesome?

the type the use for abortions

I mean that’s a much better method than the current one, the perpetrator shooting herself in the damn head.  Good idea.  It’s still monstrous but at least it takes out the monster.

:beli

*steps back*
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: shosta on October 27, 2018, 04:24:17 PM
tasty's add-on looking pretty good
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2018, 04:42:28 PM
Indeed it won’t be a debate because we are ignoring facts.

The majority of Americans oppose assault rifle bans.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/243860/snapshot-majority-oppose-ban-assault-rifles.aspx

The AR-15 is the most popular gun in America with over 5-7 million owned. Yet there’s less than 500 homicides done in its name a year. This is a negligible number given a population of over 300 million people.

More and more Americans are against a ban as we get the facts.

And yes, your definition of “military grade” is not satisfactory, 21337.
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 27, 2018, 04:48:50 PM
Calling 500 homicides negligible is a very American point of view.
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2018, 04:54:43 PM
Calling 500 homicides negligible is a very American point of view.

I’m not defining it as good. But it is statistically small a number. That is objective fact. And yet democrats have gun control as a high priority even over climate change,!healthcare, and income equality.

Never mind that objectively, there is no mass shooting problem and crime (even gun crime) is down.

https://www.npr.org/2018/03/15/593831564/the-disconnect-between-perceived-danger-in-u-s-schools-and-reality

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/

Yet democrats want to put gun control over things that matter? That’s DEFINITELY an American POV. And until democrats can find an answer to this despite their pleas nothing will ever happen.
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2018, 07:19:13 PM
you shouldn't hug a child with nuclear arms
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Nintex on October 27, 2018, 07:56:52 PM
Like I said, I can see why you'd want to keep a pistol around to defend yourself (especially in rural areas or tough neighbourhoods).
However, assault rifles are completely unecessary. When has an assault rifle ever 'defended' somebody from a (mass) shooting event?

Places like Chicago seem to have a lot of gun violence but ownership of assualt rifles doesn't seem to put a stop to that.
The argument for owning an assualt rifle seems hollow in contrast with all the shootings.
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2018, 08:06:47 PM
I literally linked to examples of people using ar-15’s in mass shootings.

You also don’t know what you’re taking about regarding Chicago. AR-15 is banned in Chicago so using it as an example is pointless. In fact, Chicago undoes your entire argument. It’s one of the most violent cities in America, it’s also one of the strictest in the country regarding gun laws. Some states with the loosest gun laws are also among the safest.
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: agrajag on October 27, 2018, 08:06:56 PM
With an AR you can kill the intruder harder.
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: agrajag on October 27, 2018, 08:08:23 PM
Breh, how do you think guns make their way into Chicago?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
from states with loose gun laws
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Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: agrajag on October 27, 2018, 08:15:35 PM
Shoot home intruders from 500 yards brehs.
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2018, 08:19:52 PM
Shoot home intruders from 500 yards brehs.

“Ar-15 is made for killing!”
“You don’t need an ar-15 to defend your home! :brazilcry”
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: agrajag on October 27, 2018, 08:20:32 PM
Wtf is wrong with you.
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2018, 08:23:12 PM
Wtf is wrong with you.

:doge
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2018, 08:23:26 PM
With an AR you can kill the intruder harder.

:doge
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2018, 08:33:54 PM
Ar-15 is light, has low recoil, doesn’t penetrate walls, nice mag size. All the benefits of a home defense gun. Shotguns are too long for a hallway and shortening the barrel goes against the NFA.

That said, I’m still considering a shotgun for home defense. Idk
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 27, 2018, 08:43:43 PM
I mean, what if they’re trying to run away with your TV tho?  :smug

> Thinks women should die if they get abortions.

> Fantasizes about killing someone over a home electronic.

Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Raist on October 27, 2018, 08:48:24 PM
Indeed it won’t be a debate because we are ignoring facts.

The majority of Americans oppose assault rifle bans.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/243860/snapshot-majority-oppose-ban-assault-rifles.aspx

The AR-15 is the most popular gun in America with over 5-7 million owned. Yet there’s less than 500 homicides done in its name a year. This is a negligible number given a population of over 300 million people.

More and more Americans are against a ban as we get the facts.

And yes, your definition of “military grade” is not satisfactory, 21337.

Imagine that, in any other country that isn't war-torn, that number is 0.  :ohhh
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: agrajag on October 27, 2018, 08:49:10 PM
Picturing Cindi bunkered down with her AR/shotgun and a collander over her head as a makeshift helmet as her home is under siege by the gvm't who came to take her guns.

#playittactical

 :lawd
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: brawndolicious on October 27, 2018, 08:58:01 PM
To be honest, the only realistic regulation I want is tracking similar to the system for car registration and magazine limits. And if you want to own a handgun, you have to do safety classes and psychological evaluation every few years. I don't expect many potential murderers to actually be caught that way, it just makes it harder for them to go through the trouble. Similar to how Tylenol in blister packs massively reduces the suicide rate.

https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06/02/a-simple-way-to-reduce-suicides/

If you're a MASS murderer, yeah they go through tons of planning for it and plan to either kill yourself or have the police talk about how you aren't a real terrorist.

Which makes me wonder why the white dudes rarely kill themselves.

Ar-15 is light, has low recoil, doesn’t penetrate walls, nice mag size. All the benefits of a home defense gun. Shotguns are too long for a hallway and shortening the barrel goes against the NFA.

That said, I’m still considering a shotgun for home defense. Idk

If it's legitimate home defense, then I think a bean bag round makes the most sense so you don't end up getting potential legal trouble out of it. If you're skeptical of the effectiveness of a non-lethal round, then I would think a .45 would work a lot better than a .223 as far as velocity/penetration and having a free hand to hold a flashlight.
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2018, 09:04:57 PM
I notice the people here have no actual arguments.

No data. No scientific backing. No statistics.

Just raw emotion and sarcastic quips.

You argue your case like pro-life hard liners.

Almost every anti-gun argument I’ve seen uses poor logic. One of my favorites is,”the founding fathers never envisioned an assault rifle.” Funny, because if you showed George Washington an ar-15 he’d deduce it was a gun within 10 seconds. Show him computers, smart phones, and the internet and he’d think it was magic.

They say,”the second amendment doesn’t apply to assault rifles because the founding fathers didn’t think of weapons of that caliber” but think the first amendment somehow applies to the internet and 24 hour news stations that are for-profit and get their news based around outrage and headline tactics. So one applies and the other doesn’t? :doge Oh but that’s a false equivalence right? But Russia used the internet to manipulate America didn’t they? The internet has divided America more than its ever been sans the civil war.

Following the logic, why is it ok to limit the second amendment but not the first? I thought alternative news sites were a problem? Why the inconsistency? The internet has divided society, fit people into boxes, made people lonely and isolated, been a factor in radicalization. Shouldn’t we ban it? :doge Ban the internet. Ban the 24 hour news cycle too. After all, it affects society negatively. Should the first amendment allow maximum freedom of speech? I mean, if we are going to limit the second amendment shouldn’t we do the same to the first?

After all, I’m protesting because Itchy and Scratchy are indirectly responsible for my husband being hit on the head with a mallet.

https://youtu.be/4oISkSzfqOg

In a civil, free society you must accept that in order for a society to be truly free, you must accept that things you don’t like will exist.

And that’s my libertarian post quota for the day.
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2018, 09:06:12 PM
To be honest, the only realistic regulation I want is tracking similar to the system for car registration and magazine limits. And if you want to own a handgun, you have to do safety classes and psychological evaluation every few years. I don't expect many potential murderers to actually be caught that way, it just makes it harder for them to go through the trouble. Similar to how Tylenol in blister packs massively reduces the suicide rate.

https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06/02/a-simple-way-to-reduce-suicides/

If you're a MASS murderer, yeah they go through tons of planning for it and plan to either kill yourself or have the police talk about how you aren't a real terrorist.

Which makes me wonder why the white dudes rarely kill themselves.

Ar-15 is light, has low recoil, doesn’t penetrate walls, nice mag size. All the benefits of a home defense gun. Shotguns are too long for a hallway and shortening the barrel goes against the NFA.

That said, I’m still considering a shotgun for home defense. Idk

If it's legitimate home defense, then I think a bean bag round makes the most sense so you don't end up getting potential legal trouble out of it. If you're skeptical of the effectiveness of a non-lethal round, then I would think a .45 would work a lot better than a .223 as far as velocity/penetration and having a free hand to hold a flashlight.

Thanks for the post and suggestion. Some actual meat around here for a change.
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: agrajag on October 27, 2018, 09:07:50 PM
You don't deserve anything more than snark, hun.
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 27, 2018, 09:14:47 PM
I mean, what if they’re trying to run away with your TV tho?  :smug

> Thinks women should die if they get abortions.

> Fantasizes about killing someone over a home electronic.

Like I just said... kill in self-defense, fine.  Kill in aggression, you belong in prison or the morgue.

I mean, what if they’re trying to run away with your TV tho?  :smug

 :PP
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 27, 2018, 09:23:48 PM
I mean, what if they’re trying to run away with your TV tho?  :smug

> Thinks women should die if they get abortions.

> Fantasizes about killing someone over a home electronic.

Like I just said... kill in self-defense, fine.  Kill in aggression, you belong in prison or the morgue.

I mean, what if they’re trying to run away with your TV tho?  :smug

 :PP


Not for nothing, but a thief is attacking you and violating your right to property.  They are the aggressor.  And here at least, you are permitted to use lethal force to stop the theft of your property.  It’s part of castle doctrine.

:rofl

Pro-life my ass you degenerate fuck
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2018, 09:35:16 PM
Some intruders rape women. Never leave anything to chance. If there’s an intruder his ass is grass. You never know what they’re thinking.

Good on you for providing a means of self defense for your wife while you’re not home, JayDub.
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: headwalk on October 27, 2018, 09:36:07 PM
ban all guns except the m1 garand, which all free citizens should be required to train with on sundays. basically the american longbow.
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: agrajag on October 27, 2018, 09:36:45 PM
I don't even want all guns banned, I just want to ban Cindi from having one.
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2018, 09:38:08 PM
I don't even want all guns banned, I just want to ban Cindi from having one.

:doge

If only you would buy a gun so you could kill yourself you nazel gazing piece of shit.
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: agrajag on October 27, 2018, 09:40:25 PM
I don't even want all guns banned, I just want to ban Cindi from having one.

:doge

If only you would buy a gun so you could kill yourself you nazel gazing piece of shit.

 :derp
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: agrajag on October 27, 2018, 09:41:04 PM
i'M pRo LiFe
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: agrajag on October 27, 2018, 09:41:32 PM
"enemies"

you're so fucking goofy.
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2018, 09:45:47 PM
Agrajag can’t rebut because he was thoroughly owned up above like the non thinking robot he truly is. So this is why he has to resort to...this.

A man who wishes to take away self defense from a trans woman to appease himself as he makes emotional, nonsensical arguments.

When those right wingers were thinking of the NPC meme they had Agrajag in mind: a brain dead giant dad whose insides have been replaced with an MSNBC Bible.

Away from my presence, shitlord.
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: agrajag on October 27, 2018, 09:46:38 PM
why don't you call me an NPC to cap off your diarrhea sundae?

edit: lol, wrote that after reading the first sentence of your post. You're highly predictable.
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: bork on October 27, 2018, 09:48:29 PM
The solution to this issue is right here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db0Y4qIZ4PA
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2018, 09:48:49 PM
From now on I’ll reply to your posts with nothing more than :doge

Lord knows it’s about as good as anything else you ever have to say.

Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: agrajag on October 27, 2018, 09:49:13 PM
Cindi and JayDub shouldn't have any guns because they're easily triggered

(see above)
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2018, 09:50:19 PM
:doge

I’m sorry I can’t read it. I just see a doggy.
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: agrajag on October 27, 2018, 09:51:08 PM
:exxy :reeeee :exxy :reeeee :exxy :reeeee :exxy :reeeee
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2018, 09:51:28 PM
 :doge
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: agrajag on October 27, 2018, 09:54:43 PM
why do you post diatribes like a corny anime villain?
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: bork on October 27, 2018, 09:55:03 PM
easily triggered

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/05bb1916630f59db2181de3fe5aa6975/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2018, 10:00:38 PM
Haven’t read anything new from agrajag. Is it still dog shit?

*looks up*

(https://i.imgur.com/qzxKy.gif)

Yep.
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: agrajag on October 27, 2018, 10:01:24 PM
Glad I live in your head rent free, bitch  :-*
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2018, 10:02:13 PM
ban all guns except the m1 garand, which all free citizens should be required to train with on sundays. basically the american longbow.
*PING!* :heart
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2018, 10:05:22 PM
Glad I live in your head rent free, bitch  :-*

:doge
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: kingv on October 27, 2018, 10:12:12 PM
Colin Kaepernick will be relieved to find out the number of black people killed by police each year is statistical noise and he can go back to playing football.
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2018, 10:12:20 PM
from the National WW2 Museum:
(https://store.nationalww2museum.org/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/14517.jpg)

 :dead
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2018, 10:16:59 PM
Colin Kaepernick will be relieved to find out the number of black people killed by police each year is statistical noise and he can go back to playing football.

Are you saying that the FBI puts police killings on annual homicide reports?
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2018, 10:18:00 PM
i wonder if there's lighter material stock for them, i found the originals wood to be weirdly weighted, carbine stock probably wouldn't be too bad

one of my roommates was a gun buff but other than handguns bought all WW2 stuff, so i got to shoot all this stuff during my peak DoD playing days :rejoice

should have seen our apartment at one point after he bought a bunch of shit, stocks and parts of german rifles all over the living room...meanwhile the actual only armed weapons in the place were the handgun in his safe with his passports and shit in his closet buried :lol

oh and my two fists obv
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2018, 10:21:49 PM
actually i take that back, i think in theory if we needed to, we could have armed the one beat-up kar98 he got off ebay for cheap and then died trying to work the bolt after firing the first time
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: kingv on October 27, 2018, 10:21:57 PM
Colin Kaepernick will be relieved to find out the number of black people killed by police each year is statistical noise and he can go back to playing football.

Are you saying that the FBI puts police killings on annual homicide reports?

I’m saying that if 500 dead people is meaningless than 250 dead people is even more meaningless and 66 unarmed dead people is basicallly like, “whatever, police aren’t even deadly”
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2018, 10:25:53 PM
Colin Kaepernick will be relieved to find out the number of black people killed by police each year is statistical noise and he can go back to playing football.

Are you saying that the FBI puts police killings on annual homicide reports?

I’m saying that if 500 dead people is meaningless than 250 dead people is even more meaningless and 66 unarmed dead people is basicallly like, “whatever, police aren’t even deadly”

Police establish law. Police killing civilians is obviously different than civilians killing civilians. Otherwise we wouldn’t focus on police brutality. Police have power over civilians and if that power leads to murderering someone that’s clearly different than a civilian killing someone in crime.

You are comparing apples and oranges.

It’s worth noting because about 8k murders are done with handguns. Concentrating on 400-500 murders done with assault rifles makes it a statistically negligible number. More people are killed with hammers year round than with assault rifles.

You are arguing a strawman and using an emotional plea to police brutality to score emotional points.
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: kingv on October 27, 2018, 10:44:09 PM
Just as long as you are aware that you are basically making the same argument that people who say “black people need to focus on the violence in their own community before worrying about the police” make.

7k black people killing each other each year vs 250 killed by police (and some non-negligible number of that 250 were justified) so why focus on the police?

The share of deaths isn’t that big therefore it’s not really a big problem.

I don’t agree with that logic for the reasons you stated. Similarly, I don’t think that comparing people killed by lone gunman in mass killings as a share of people killed by jilted lovers, street crime gone bad, or whatever causes “normal” murders to occur is a meaningful comparison.

Stopping people from killing their ex has a different solution than stopping mass murders. The solution to mass murders is “keep guns that can kill a lot of people quickly, from a large distance out of the hands of fucking crazy people”. Nobody is going to kill 30 people from their hotel window with a 9 mm handgun.
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2018, 11:02:17 PM
I mean, I thought we were arguing gun crime weren’t we? Why the sudden shift to police brutality?

 Actual data.

Total homicide by firearm numbers:

2012 - 8897
2013 - 8454
2014 - 8312
2015 - 9778
2016 - 11004

Definitely an increase but let’s look a little closer.

Handguns:

2012 - 6404
2016 - 7104

Rifles:

2012 - 298
2016 - 374

Shotguns:

2012 - 310
2016 - 262

Other firearms:

2012 - 116
2016 - 186

Firearm type not stated:

2012 - 1769
2016 - 3077

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-4.xls

There has been an increase in firearm related murders, that won’t be argued. But the same people who say to ban assault rifles ignore that less than 380 people are killed with ALL types of rifles (assault or not) on a year to year basis compared to over 7000 handguns at last check. If public safety and crime were an issue why not the focus on handguns? :thinking Even many in this thread like Nintex maintain it’s ok to defend yourself with a sidearm despite the fact that’s the number one gun done for murder and mostly by gangsters. These stats don’t even dissect if those guns are legally owned.

So are you trying to argue disengenously? I respect someone who is honest and says,”I think all guns should be banned” than someone who is intellectually dishonest and tries to paint rifles as the deadliest guns in America when that simply ain’t true. It makes many anti-gun opinions forfeit. Combine with the actual low odds of school shootings likelihood of happening, and it’s even more open shut.

Extra stat data:

Knives:

2012 - 1604
2016 - 1604

Blunt objects (hammers, clubs):

2012 - 522
2016 - 472

Hands/fists/feet:

2012 - 707
2016 - 656

This isn’t to limit these peoples deaths to mere numbers as each death here is a tragedy in itself, but why should millions of people be punished and have rifles banned when rifles are the gun that is used in the least amount of murders?

This is why Democrats lose on this issue. This info is public information. You can find it simply by google. Yet the media and democrats continue to push this issue that anyone can find and read themselves.

Democrats and media pushes people away by concentrating on it. As someone else said:

Quote
It's been a pet theory of mine for a while that the "fake news" epidemic can trace some of its start to media coverage of guns. If you're even remotely knowledgeable about firearms, you can't help but notice that, in general, media coverage on the topic is pretty poor and gets a lot wrong. And once you've noticed that they're getting something you know about wrong, you start to wonder what they're getting wrong about the topics you don't know well enough to spot errors in for yourself...

Be honest with yourself about guns. Rifles are a blip in gun crime. I thought the goal was to stop gun crime? If you ban assault rifles a gunman will just use a different weapon. Shit, angunman is already likely to use a different weapon in general.

So why the focus on rifles? Someone please tell me.

“They were made to kill.”

Find me any weapon that wasn’t designed to kill.

Look at the numbers for yourself and try to argue why rifles are a legitimate problem. Out of 300 million people, with millions upon millions of rifles sold, why does focusing on a type of gun that kills less than 400 people year given precedence over climate change and healthcare?

And now you know why democrats must drop this issue and focus on real ones. If they want to curb gun crime in a real way they’d focus on ending the drug war. Gun control should be item number 20 on the DNC agenda, not number 2. Democrats are sacrificing our futures over bullshit.
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2018, 11:09:44 PM
So why the focus on rifles? Someone please tell me.
Less rifle owners. Especially when you exempt hunting rifles.
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2018, 11:12:02 PM
It's not illegal in the United States for a citizen to own a tank, or nuclear weapons. As long as you are meeting regulations on storage.

Just make sure you have your tax stamps up to date. :american
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2018, 11:16:43 PM
So why the focus on rifles? Someone please tell me.
Less rifle owners. Especially when you exempt hunting rifles.

Mind expounding? I mean I think I understand what you’re arguing but I’d like more.
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2018, 11:18:44 PM
Many moons ago I watched this silly state powers/war on terror debate and it got to the point where the Republican Bill Kristol like guy says to the libertarian "how would you stop people from owning nuclear weapons?!?" all smug like, and the libertarian guy goes "good luck with the insurance premiums." And the Republican dude goes "oh, so you support gun insurance?"

Yet that man is probably allowed to drive a car with reasonable insurance premiums. Whatta country!

(http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/2313436/85057999.jpg)
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2018, 11:20:26 PM
:lol
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2018, 11:22:42 PM
Mind expounding? I mean I think I understand what you’re arguing but I’d like more.
I think less than a quarter of gun owners or something own a rifle or "greater" than a handgun.

People with a handgun only aren't any necessarily more informed about all types of guns than members of Congress show themselves to be when they start making lists of what needs to be banned.

Just numerically there is less political difficulty in saying "just these guns, not your guns."
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2018, 11:28:22 PM
I know that the core reason they don’t concentrate on handguns is because most people support handgun ownership and if they concentrate on that the entire stack of jingas falls off the table. So they go for what’s scary looking  thinking it gives more political capital because it’s less common (but not uncommon) to have. But this is double edge, because by trying to ban guns that kill a very small amount of people they get less political support because people can simply google and see that democrats want to ban something that kills less than 400 a year.

In reality, democrat legislators know a AWB will do jack shit. They do it because they want to “do something”.

It’s a gesture to placate their highly sheltered bass.
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2018, 11:32:32 PM
But this is double edge, because by trying to ban guns that kill a very small amount of people they get less political support because people can simply google and see that
luckily this isn't too high of a risk

like being shot with a rifle :ohyou
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2018, 11:33:01 PM
:sabu
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 27, 2018, 11:35:06 PM
Make a smart gun that only shoots bad people. Problem solved.
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2018, 11:37:50 PM
only lamers use the smart pistol

what's next passing a law that only tone mains are allowed?

smh sometimes rumbler
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2018, 11:39:14 PM
How it happens:

Democrats and media: “please ban assault rifles :brazilcry”

Regular citizen: “This is serious. I should research the numbers.”

*sees you are more likely to be beaten to death than shot with a rifle*

Regular citizen: “wait, the media can easily report that the number of homicides by rifle are negligible so why are they trying to tell citizens that these guns are a public safety hazard?”

Media: BAN ASSAULT RIFLES! DO SOMETHING! :brazilcry

Regular citizen: I don’t believe anything you say. Isn’t it your job to report facts and not an agenda?”

Media: plz :tocry

*Regular citizen who doesn’t believe the media anymore turns to Fox News instead*

Radicalized citizen: fake news fake news reeeeeeEEEEEEE

Media: why don’t they believe us?! :brazilcry

Thanks for not doing your jobs, media. *tips hat*
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2018, 11:46:55 PM
How it happens:

Democrats and media: “please ban assault rifles :brazilcry”

Regular citizen: “This is serious. I should research the numbers.”
lol
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2018, 11:55:01 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/LILq6.gif)
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Nintex on October 28, 2018, 07:42:46 AM
I've done some research and I've come around.
We should start arming the teachers and school children as well.

These strict gun laws are killing more people than the actual guns themselves.

 :gun :meeble

Also dogs should be armed. Dogs can tell bad from good pretty easily. And a backmounted mini rocket launcher would be enough to take out a small vehicle in case someone takes off with stolen property.
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2018, 07:57:05 AM
Also dogs should be armed. Dogs can tell bad from good pretty easily. And a backmounted mini rocket launcher would be enough to take out a small vehicle in case someone takes off with stolen property.
smh sucking up to our corrupt mods
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: kingv on October 29, 2018, 12:22:00 PM
I continue to be outraged that toy guns have orange muzzles now.

Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 29, 2018, 12:26:01 PM
This is truly the sensible gun debate that we've been missing all along
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: kingv on October 29, 2018, 03:08:54 PM
Probably I should email this thread to my dad so we can chat about it.
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Himu on October 29, 2018, 07:50:34 PM
Going to post guns now since you’re all shitlords.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZzqbJeDHK64/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Himu on October 29, 2018, 07:55:26 PM
My first rifle

(https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/prodimages/27606-DEFAULT-l.jpg)
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Himu on October 29, 2018, 07:56:39 PM
My first gun :heartbeat

(https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/45095.jpg)
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: Himu on October 29, 2018, 08:19:04 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/27/new-evidence-confirms-what-gun-rights-advocates-have-been-saying-for-a-long-time-about-crime/?utm_term=.7458ad8c85cf

Hadn’t seen this one until recently. Combined with the stats surrounding homicides involving a gun and it’s even more black and white. :doge

End the war on drugs. Oh but democrats? Using actual solutions? :thinking
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: kingv on October 29, 2018, 10:51:09 PM
If the NRA came out with the idea of partnering with Democrats to introduce gun control measures that do things like:
- hold owners responsible for securing their weapons, and reporting their loss
- increasing background checks
- closing gun show loopholes
- punishing shady gun dealers
- heavily punishing straw sales
- limiting access to guns for people with certain mental illnesses, or who make violent statements on social media

There would be wide and broad support for working on that, without even discussing banning any specific types of weapons.

It’s not like “liberals” haven’t proposed that same type of hit one million times.
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 29, 2018, 11:09:14 PM
Cindi do you low key do internet sales for the wapo or what? I’m not gonna subscribe 
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: Himu on October 29, 2018, 11:11:15 PM
It’s just one dollar a month! :damn
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: Himu on October 29, 2018, 11:26:16 PM
Also copy the link and paste it into private mode if you’re that cheap!
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2018, 04:36:15 AM
The federal government likes to let guns get into criminal hands, especially in foreign countries, so that it can...then...okay, look they'll get to that part eventually.
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2018, 04:36:41 AM
I continue to be outraged that toy guns have orange muzzles now.
Think about it this way, it's for the child's safety.
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: Mandark on October 30, 2018, 08:37:22 AM
The federal government likes to let guns get into criminal hands, especially in foreign countries, so that it can...then...okay, look they'll get to that part eventually.

That rule is in there cause of the domestic gun lobby, tho.
Title: Re: The gun debate thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2018, 04:02:24 AM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-plan-to-pursue-most-aggressive-gun-control-legislation-in-decades-1541791440
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Democrats say they will pass the most aggressive gun-control legislation in decades when they become the House majority in January, plans they renewed this week in the aftermath of a mass killing in a California bar.

Their efforts will be spurred by an incoming class of pro-gun-control lawmakers who scored big in Tuesday’s midterm elections, although any measure would likely meet stiff resistance in the GOP-controlled Senate.

Democrats ousted at least 15 House Republicans with “A” National Rifle Association ratings, while the candidates elected to replace them all scored an “F” NRA rating.

“This new majority is not going to be afraid of our shadow,” said Mike Thompson, a California Democrat who is chairman of the House Gun Violence Prevention Task Force.
“We know that we’ve been elected to do a job, and we’re going to do it.”
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The 2018 elections marked the first time gun-control advocates outspent the NRA.

The gun-rights advocacy group spent about $20 million in the 2018 election cycle—much of it on advertising backing the confirmation of Supreme Court Justices Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh, NRA spokeswoman Jennifer Baker said.

Everytown for Gun Safety, the gun-control organization backed by former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, and a group founded by former Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, who was critically wounded in a 2011 shooting, spent a combined $37 million in 2018.
Will Speaker Beto be able to get it done?

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Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: TVC15 on November 10, 2018, 04:05:52 AM
<3

https://youtu.be/ZlI0VfgaI8g
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: agrajag on November 12, 2018, 06:31:05 PM
I think I see where Cindi is coming from now.

The gun is good. The penis is evil. The penis shoots seeds, and makes new life, and poisons the earth with a plague of men, as once it was. But the gun shoots death, and purifies the earth of the filth of brutals. Go forth and kill!
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 13, 2018, 01:50:32 PM
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/416255-black-security-guard-stops-shooter-then-is-shot-by-police-while-holding?fbclid=IwAR272RpyOKecaxjCi0ec0aIMm8q7bsoUl7EoeYnhjBqXM0hg7hcLvWfmyCY
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: Rufus on November 13, 2018, 06:47:59 PM
Quote
"Everybody was screaming out 'Security!' He was a security guard," Harris said.

[...]

Friends of Roberson told the news station that he planned to become a police officer and was an upstanding man.
:-\
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 22, 2018, 03:50:24 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/21/us/sandra-parks-milwaukee-gunfire.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: Himu on November 29, 2018, 09:18:59 AM
https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/politics/albany/2018/11/26/gun-social-media-password-new-york/2114720002/

Bill to check social media for gun purchases in NY.

But remember, the Democrats don't want to take your guns. This is a China-esque social media program and it even being a bill is shameful. The lawmakers who made this should be voted out.

 "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Get out of my country, please.
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: Himu on November 29, 2018, 09:47:09 AM
Yes, share the knowledge Adam. Share it.

https://youtu.be/2jnqPUOx9rA

Good. Goooooooood.

Hopefully he brings up the fact that in California few people of color have one of its license to carry. They use their laws to strong arm minoirities and protect the rich and powerful who know the sheriff to get LTC's, which usually means white people.

White liberals being made aware that their policies have racist implications even when the intent of the law wasn't racism?

(https://i.imgur.com/fDTDTQs.gif)
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: Brehvolution on November 29, 2018, 09:54:56 AM
I'm going deer hunting for the first time in over 25 years this Saturday. I'll be using a Remington 270 that is dead nuts on from 100 yards. I'm pretty excited. Pennsylvania law says you can't shoot a buck that is a 4 point or less. I like that so I won't feel pressured to shoot at anything that's moving. I'll have to be picky and make sure what I'm shooting at is legal. Don't have a doe tag either.

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I probably won't see anything.  :doge
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Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: Himu on December 01, 2018, 10:18:51 PM
gun control is classist on top of being racist and many anti-gunners are privileged.

(https://i.imgur.com/pq3wcc8.jpg)

In fact, the common anti-gunner mantra,"you don't need a gun!" is the definition of privilege.
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 01, 2018, 11:20:14 PM
"they don't have anything anyone would want to steal" :lol
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 01, 2018, 11:29:21 PM
I'm going deer hunting for the first time in over 25 years this Saturday. I'll be using a Remington 270 that is dead nuts on from 100 yards. I'm pretty excited. Pennsylvania law says you can't shoot a buck that is a 4 point or less. I like that so I won't feel pressured to shoot at anything that's moving. I'll have to be picky and make sure what I'm shooting at is legal. Don't have a doe tag either.

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Using your post as justification to talk about something in my life as if it were replying to you:

There's a huge amount of undeveloped land behind my parents house (and all the houses nearby for a good number of miles around the perimeter of this land) that's almost all woods of varying types but right next to their house is an township easement where the guy who is the son of the people who own the land parks to go back in it and hunt every year.

This dude has hunted there for like 20 years and none of us, or our neighbors, have ever seen him bring anything out to his truck. Heard shots, but nothing.

He used to go out there with some other guys, so back during the days of GAY PANIC, BAN SAME SEX MARRIAGE sweeping the state, I told her they probably went out there to have homosexual orgies away from their families. But it's just been the guy alone the last few years. Poor guy's friends probably went straight. (Or married each other.)

Also there's always been deer and stuff in the backyard or woods behind regularly my whole life. In recent years there's a whole flock of 25 turkeys that run around the neighborhood and the woods like some kind of shitty gang. And like, they are epic dum. The guy could easily pick them off.

Sometimes I even think you could probably just grab one of them and strangle it or something. But I don't know when "strangling" season is.
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: Himu on January 04, 2019, 03:09:25 PM
https://amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jan/3/boulder-colorado-assault-weapons-ban-met-mass-non-/

 :american No compliance
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: Himu on March 21, 2019, 01:10:59 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/liberalgunowners/comments/b3iyvd/found_this_on_rprogun/

https://www.reddit.com/r/liberalgunowners/comments/b3eu36/what_is_it_about_guns_that_causes_many_otherwise/
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: Himu on March 30, 2019, 11:18:17 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judge-blocks-california-s-ban-high-capacity-magazines-over-2nd-n989136

:rejoice

THE COURTS :bow
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: Propagandhim on March 30, 2019, 11:22:33 AM
gun control is classist on top of being racist and many anti-gunners are privileged.

(https://i.imgur.com/pq3wcc8.jpg)

In fact, the common anti-gunner mantra,"you don't need a gun!" is the definition of privilege.

Guaranteed Kimberly has been a stay-at-home mom for the past 20 years
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: Himu on March 30, 2019, 12:06:11 PM
pretty sure
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: VomKriege on March 30, 2019, 12:11:18 PM
Has Forgotten Weapons YouTube channel been posted yet ?

Gun Jesus :rejoice
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: agrajag on March 30, 2019, 01:49:46 PM
Has Forgotten Weapons YouTube channel been posted yet ?

Gun Jesus :rejoice

I'm actually subscribed to that one
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: Himu on March 30, 2019, 01:54:35 PM
Has Forgotten Weapons YouTube channel been posted yet ?

Gun Jesus :rejoice

He does own
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: Himu on March 30, 2019, 03:03:05 PM
If you’re a man buy your woman a gun.

https://twitter.com/_jackfreeman/status/1110717190314053634
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: Himu on May 14, 2019, 10:39:28 AM
https://degreesoffreedom.home.blog/2019/05/13/the-great-contradiction/

:rejoice

Perfectly summarizes why trump winning the presidency was the main and final catalyst in making me very, very pro-gun. Six months after pulse shooting, this man who climbed on the backs of the minorities he attacked won the election.

Showing:

1. Governance and the state are unreliable at large because they can shift rapidly. We went from Obama to Trump seemingly overnight.
2. If I didn’t trust the police under Obama why would I trust them under Trump?
3. Do I really trust the trump administration to defend me?
4. As an American, knowing America’s history with protecting the underclass do I really trust them to not abuse power in the future?

After asking these questions I went to the gun range very, very soon after. My entire political identity also melted very quickly. Trust in government is foolish. It is always shifting and I am a vulnerable target. The evidence is in the pudding.

Pro-gun till I die.

Those who remain after anti-gun and yet anti-Trump after Trump’s rise to presidency are sheep, in my personal opinion.
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: BIONIC on May 14, 2019, 03:45:10 PM
 :snore
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: Potato on May 15, 2019, 01:59:22 AM
Went hunting last weekend.

We bagged a nice young boar.

 :nsfw

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Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: team filler on May 15, 2019, 02:27:19 AM
 :fbm
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: Himu on May 15, 2019, 02:38:57 AM
Went hunting last weekend.

We bagged a nice young boar.

 :nsfw

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What'd you shoot it with?
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: Potato on May 15, 2019, 03:46:23 AM
I shoot with a .270, but my cousin got this one with his .308.
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: team filler on May 18, 2019, 04:06:37 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/WNV7O9n.jpg)
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: Potato on June 01, 2019, 12:11:24 AM
Currently cooking a stew from a couple of hares (jackrabbits for you yanks) we got on our last hunting trip. The guys in my usual hunting group are coming to my place and we're gonna drink whisky, tell tall tales and eat stew on the first day of winter.

Gonna be a good night.
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: Potato on July 22, 2019, 08:56:34 AM
Thinking of buying a new shotgun.

Got my eye on a little 20" coach gun. Not sure on brand yet, but don't want to spend a lot.

Going to be using it to stalk feral pigs in thick scrub, so likely going to get scratched and beat up.

Will post pics if I get one.
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: Himu on July 25, 2019, 06:51:12 AM
https://medium.com/handwaving-freakoutery/newsweek-s-bogus-gun-rhetoric-misses-an-amazing-find-4be095dbe7a1

Ahahahahahaha

Thanks Newsweek
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: Potato on July 29, 2019, 05:08:11 AM
New shotgun arrived today.

Went with O/U because i found a nice one for a good price.

It's going to be fun chasing pigs in the bush with this thing.

(https://i.imgur.com/3iHz3yR.jpg)


(https://i.imgur.com/ifwWX6p.jpg)
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: Potato on July 29, 2019, 05:30:07 AM
https://medium.com/handwaving-freakoutery/newsweek-s-bogus-gun-rhetoric-misses-an-amazing-find-4be095dbe7a1

Ahahahahahaha

Thanks Newsweek
Thatwas a good read. I still wouldn't like to see Australia's gun laws weakened, but it's nice to read an article about US statistics without the alarmist rhetoric attached.
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: Potato on August 13, 2019, 05:03:13 AM
Heading out hunting this weekend. Hopefully get to test my new shotgun on 30-50 feral hogs. Should I take my two kids to use as bait? Seems like that works.
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: Himu on September 16, 2019, 01:56:47 PM
https://youtu.be/DtYBfEdybSY

(https://i.redd.it/mwnhsmlassm31.jpg)
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: Himu on September 16, 2019, 02:01:48 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gun-control-national-african-american-gun-association-im-not-goin-down-without-a-fight/
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: team filler on September 16, 2019, 03:56:21 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/xqfJRRM.jpg)

 :rejoice
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: Brehvolution on September 17, 2019, 01:02:34 PM
https://youtu.be/DtYBfEdybSY

(https://i.redd.it/mwnhsmlassm31.jpg)

You are equating something Beto said with the conservative party platform?
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 04, 2019, 12:52:40 PM
https://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-man-accidentally-shoots-kills-son-law-surprise/story?id=66031955
https://www.newsweek.com/ohio-mother-shoots-daughter-surprise-college-1457589
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: Brehvolution on October 04, 2019, 01:27:07 PM
Imagine being so uptight that any sudden scare causes you to shoot at something even when you don't know what it is?
Title: Re: The gun thread
Post by: Potato on October 04, 2019, 04:28:02 PM
Going to pick up a new rifle today. Ruger M77 in .416 Rigby.

Big banger. Can't wait to fire it.