Is that the Flash costume from the 90s show?!
I loved that when I was 10. That and some show where there were aliens and like, salt water was like acid to them.
Is that the Flash costume from the 90s show?!
I loved that when I was 10. That and some show where there were aliens and like, salt water was like acid to them.
TL;DR: DCCU sucks shit, who gives a damn about an unfinished cut of a shitty film? God.
I hope they do release it, because it'll fucking suuuck.you two now have to ask permission before posting in this thread
TL;DR: DCCU sucks shit, who gives a damn about an unfinished cut of a shitty film? God.I hope they do release it, because it'll fucking suuuck.you two now have to ask permission before posting in this thread
It’s for Justice League, he left production before finishing and Josh Whedon finished it.
BvS is 100% Snyder quality
Some people care about an auteur's vision.
Because they liked Man of Steel and Batman Vs Superman? Or are interested in whatever the original idea for Justice League was?
MoS was whatever to me and BvS is a failure of a movie, but at least they were something different then what the Marvel movies are. I'd rather take the Synder version of Justice League instead of the Marvel market focused one we got. Would have probably been a bad movie, but probably something more interesting then most of the simply ok Marvel movies.
I'm sure most reactions will be "who the fuck cares about this stuff". Well I do because I use my time poorly and post on a video game forum. I like Marvel movies enough. They are fun and entertaining. Some of them a bit more then the normal formula. The connected universe they've created is impressive and it has allowed a somewhat unique serialized story. Still, at the end of the day have a lot of the same beats, humor, and well most of them aren't visually interesting.
The Synder DC movies where well....for sure made by Zack Snyder. There's no doubt about that and so you got all that entails. From the mans idea of "mature" storytelling, and hypercharged kentic visuals. To be honest I like the idea of watching MoS and BvS on my 4ktv over say Winter Soldier or Infinity War, not because they are better movies. But they are a bit more interesting to look at. Beyond that BvS set up storylines and a tone that Justice League did not continue. No doubt because WB wanted a course correction. I rather take an interesting failure then a pretty boring and bland movie that Justice League turned into.
I mean in 10 minutes MoS's Krypton feels far more developed with a visual identity then whatever space I guess viking thing all three Thor movies have shown. Or even Wakanda which from what I can tell is a street and a lab.
Why would anyone care about this?Because it's fascinating like any alternative films, like when you get the Donner Cut of Superman II. Or Richard Wise's cut of Star Trek: The Motion Picture. On and on with director cuts. The Donner Cut is a similar thing that animated fans for years because he had already shot 75% of the movie. Snyder got further, he shot a whole version, he even got the effects done. Mainly, Snyder shot a different movie than we got, the movie we got is borderline nonsensical and consists of mostly people standing around talking because so much of it is replaced with budget-less reshoots.
Mainly, Snyder shot a different movie than we got, the movie we got is borderline nonsensical and consists of mostly people standing around talking because so much of it is replaced with budget-less reshoots.
Jesus benji. How many fringe lunatic groups are you a member of?
Is it worth watching either bvs or justice league for the lolz or are they not bad enough for that?oh god no
Whedon didn't get final cut either. It was probably worse for him than Age of Ultron. No director coming in, even if he's worked on the script, in those circumstances is going to produce with limited reshoots. The entire reshoot plan was stupid and I believe Whedon opposed it preferring typical reshoots plus a re-edit. He didn't want to reshoot Snyder's movie, just finish it.
Ultimate Cut has a plot, the theatrical cut doesn't and is a series of random events that are mostly unconnected.
Don't make me ban you from this thread.
Not like this, Toku. Don't do that heel turn on us now.respecting an artist is the most face move of them all
"Bro, if Superman were real, he wouldn't give a FUCK about flooding the bathroom floors. He's fucking Superman, ya know? He's going to fuck Lois in the tub and he's not going to give a shit if it ruins the floor. It's awesome." - Zack Snyder 2017
It's totally on the nose with the Superman stuff in what we did get (and Superman = Jesus parallels are as old as Jesus himself), but if Snyder had been able to bring Actual Gods™ into it with Darkseid, I think it could have been a different, especially for the mass market of films, take that may have gone somewhere interesting. Luther's ramblings about man and gods are totally stupid and a disaster until he shaves his head, but as a setup for the entire "trilogy" with Man of Steel already destroying a city and Justice League bringing in True Gods, it explains his madness. (Especially since the Kryptonian Ship showed him those gods were coming.)
The second best Crisis is The OMAC Project. :hmph
I never said Whedon got final cut, it's obvious he didn't by the fact he's not even credited as director. :P
With Age of Ultron I think Whedon's burnout was inevitable, and Disney's ultimatum regarding Hawkeye's family versus Thor's jacuzzi seems pretty above-the-board for Hollywood. I will lay some blame with Disney, and Feige, in that both of them approved the script with all the scenes.
But in any case shooting two Avengers movies basically back to back isn't easy, and in fact that's probably why Feige "promoted" the Russos so fast -- there's two of them.
Talia raping Bruce was a retcon in the first place.
Takes a crook to catch a crook, Andy-kun. :ufup
Zero Hour 2
Takes a crook to catch a crook, Andy-kun. :ufup
Is that why you're a *gasps* SOCIALIST?
Another underrated thing about Snyder (and a reason why nerds hate him) is that he gets that nerds are edge lord dweebs and makes edge lord dweeb movies. Like The Comedian he holds the mirror up to his society and shows them what they really are. Daniel Way's run on Deadpool is a similar case study.
I liked how the MCU faithfully adapted Civil War's failure to make anyone care about the reasons for either side including the characters themselves.
Hopefully they can get to Penance at some point, the best character ever created.
The second best Crisis is The OMAC Project. :hmph
OMAC is basically the intro for Best Crisis, man.
Well yeah the mods banned all the conservatives.
I liked how the MCU faithfully adapted Civil War's failure to make anyone care about the reasons for either side including the characters themselves.
Hopefully they can get to Penance at some point, the best character ever created.
Penance had a sweet outfit. He's the dude with the spikes right?
my headcanon is that Snyder included the actual Anti-Life Equation in his cut and that's the real reason they had to drop it for legal reasons
:lol
What's going to be annoying is how it'll be held up as superior to theatrical even though it's also shit (see also BvS vs. Ultimate Edition.)
:lol
What's going to be annoying is how it'll be held up as superior to theatrical even though it's also shit (see also BvS vs. Ultimate Edition.)
It could never work between us.
I genuinely liked BvS and appreciate Snyder going for something different; I hope they actually release the Snyder cut. If I wanted just more of the JL/JLU style, I’d rather they make more seasons of that instead of restricting themselves to the movie format. Young Justice kind of scratches a similar itch as well, so I’m down for more adaptations that don’t strictly adhere to the source material.
He is indeed a producer on:
Wonder Woman '84
Gotham City Sirens
Deadshot
another Untitled DC movie
I genuinely liked BvS and appreciate Snyder going for something different; I hope they actually release the Snyder cut. If I wanted just more of the JL/JLU style, I’d rather they make more seasons of that instead of restricting themselves to the movie format. Young Justice kind of scratches a similar itch as well, so I’m down for more adaptations that don’t strictly adhere to the source material.
This is always the rub when discussing Snyder, because obviously, a film adapting a comic is necessarily going to be different from the source material. So usually when I discuss not liking Snyder's direction for a DC-based film universe, the line is of course "Oh you want it exactly like the comics/TV shows."
No, I want a good movie.
More than that, if you're labeling something as a "DC movie" and using DC characters, you impose on yourself certain expectations and limitations. If that's disagreeable, the avenue to make a new IP is always open.
I've read a lot of DC comics. There's a lot of great Elseworlds and alternate universe interpretations of Superman and Batman. But what Snyder and WB positioned the DCEU originally as wasn't an "Elseworlds." It was their main cinematic universe to take on Marvel, featuring the first shared-universe versions of Superman and Batman on-film. All this to say, among many other things, the "primary" portrayal of Batman doesn't kill. Period.
WB is giving itself a lot of fan-leeway going forward by ditching the MCU blueprint and focusing on standalone Elseworld-y tales like Joker. And they're certain to earn less of my ire after ditching Snyder.
With any hope, this Snyder Cut will by the dying gasp of his influence on DC films going forward. But he'll probably be a fucking producer or something fucking things up behind the scenes til the end of time.
I genuinely liked BvS and appreciate Snyder going for something different; I hope they actually release the Snyder cut. If I wanted just more of the JL/JLU style, I’d rather they make more seasons of that instead of restricting themselves to the movie format. Young Justice kind of scratches a similar itch as well, so I’m down for more adaptations that don’t strictly adhere to the source material.
This is always the rub when discussing Snyder, because obviously, a film adapting a comic is necessarily going to be different from the source material. So usually when I discuss not liking Snyder's direction for a DC-based film universe, the line is of course "Oh you want it exactly like the comics/TV shows."
No, I want a good movie.
More than that, if you're labeling something as a "DC movie" and using DC characters, you impose on yourself certain expectations and limitations. If that's disagreeable, the avenue to make a new IP is always open.
I've read a lot of DC comics. There's a lot of great Elseworlds and alternate universe interpretations of Superman and Batman. But what Snyder and WB positioned the DCEU originally as wasn't an "Elseworlds." It was their main cinematic universe to take on Marvel, featuring the first shared-universe versions of Superman and Batman on-film. All this to say, among many other things, the "primary" portrayal of Batman doesn't kill. Period.
WB is giving itself a lot of fan-leeway going forward by ditching the MCU blueprint and focusing on standalone Elseworld-y tales like Joker. And they're certain to earn less of my ire after ditching Snyder.
With any hope, this Snyder Cut will by the dying gasp of his influence on DC films going forward. But he'll probably be a fucking producer or something fucking things up behind the scenes til the end of time.
That’s fine, it’s okay to not like things that someone else might like.
You’re kidding yourself for thinking Snyder is the first to break Batman’s no-kill rule, though. Batman has been killing in the movies since Burton’s Batman. Even Nolan’s Batman killed.
As for compromise: rarely does a movie make it from page to screen without some manner of compromise, sometimes good and sometimes bad. We can’t know whether the movie would have only worked as a two-parter as originally envisioned or if Snyder believed changing it to a single movie was better for it. What we do know is his vision was directly contradicted with studio intervention, by choice or otherwise, and if he feels up to the challenge now of trying to finish what he began, I’m all for it. We already have precedence for a similar analogue with The Donner Cut of Supes2, so why not?
I think Synder would probably do ok with a Kingdom Come adaptation
But he doesn't, like, get raped in prison. That could happen in my movie. If you want to talk about dark, that's how that would go.
Good, now people will finally realize what a hack/fraud Snyder is.
The Snyder Cut that Snyder himself talked about is 3 movies, 2 1/2 of which were never filmed in any way so all a Snyder Cut of JL is going to be mostly different green screened backgrounds.
I'll watch this, because it's interesting. I think calling Zack a hack is dumb. He is an edge lord and his sensibilities and vision were'nt a mix for DC. But, he like Micheal Bay have a personal style and know how to make a movie. It's just they chose to make things that are pretty stupid. I've always thought regardless of the fact that the material is what it is, the DC movies were still going for something that the Marvel movies were'nt. They looked way better visually then the pretty standard stuff Marvel was putting out. Them being bad really is'nt the point here. They were trying things and I'm interested in seeing the Justice League movie that was still trying that direction before it got reconfigured into something more Marvelish. I think it will be interesting to see the continuation of that style, those plot lines, and so on that were dropped in order to make a more audience friendly movie.
Now, I don't expect the movie to be good. It's really not about that though.
Traditionally calling someone a hack denigrates them as a work-for-hire, with no creative passion or ideas of their own.
Whatever you can say of Zack Snyder, he's not that.
He's great for 1:1 recreations of comic book panels just not the intent or meaning behind any of themOh he captured the crapyness of the original 300 well.
The Snyder trilogy of DCEU movies are ugly as fuck. Wonder Woman is mostly pretty ugly, too. Aquaman is the only DCEU movie not full of mud and rain and everything being dirty and dingy or dusty.Eh I disagree. I'd rather put them on in the background in 4k HDR then the blandness of Civil War.
Watching the Snyder Cut will probably feel like a sucker punch
Watching the Snyder Cut will probably feel like a sucker punch
More like Donkey Punch
I’d rather have Sucker Punch 2after the outstanding success of da snydah cut we can have both :rejoice
Original version going to end up better than this whole "new thing". :lol
It's going to come out and be forgotten about two weeks later, who are you kidding :snooze
I didn't even know David Lynch Dune existed until I saw a trailer pop up the other day in reference to the new DUNE that is coming out.
The publisher did one hell of a job covering up its existence for future generations.
But I've seen about 30 minutes of Batman v Superman on HBO and it was kinda cool.You can mostly skip the other two and a half hours then, unless you didn't watch the Batman/Superman fight part. Thankfully, it's on YouTube.
Wait, Darkseid is going to be in this? He wasn't in the original, was he?
I genuinely like BvS ultimate cut, and I consider it better than many Marvel movies that I enjoyed. Sure would've been nice if WB execs weren't causing so much fuckery at the time with their DC slate.
I genuinely like BvS ultimate cut, and I consider it better than many Marvel movies that I enjoyed. Sure would've been nice if WB execs weren't causing so much fuckery at the time with their DC slate.
When they rewrote Justice League, Darkseid mostly was going to be saved for the second part, BUT he was going to appear in the first part when Diana tells the story (it also wasn't going to be a voiceover infodump but the start of the film) of the prior Apokolips invasion. It wasn't going to be Steppenwolf who came before, it was going to be Darkseid himself who was beaten back. Steppenwolf's plotline was that he was coming this time to try and gather the mother boxes to restore his place in the eyes of Darkseid as he had fallen out of favor and thus open the way for Darkseid to come and acquire the Anti-Life Equation.
In the theatrical cut, Steppenwolf still has like a single line left about how this is why he's even in the film. A ton of his dialogue was cut out because that plotline was excised and that's why the Justice League has to spend so much time standing around and explaining what the plot is. (A bunch of those scenes were added by Whedon, you can tell by if Wonder Woman is not in the shot with anyone else, Gal Godot couldn't shoot her scenes with the rest.) Then they stuck Steppenwolf back in the prior invasion so he seemed more dangerous and powerful and stuff rather than just being a Darkseid lackey since Darkseid was excised from the film too.
BvS suffers in the theatrical cut for similar reasons as Clark's plotline, and parts of Lois' got sliced out. That's why the Ultimate Cut seems shorter despite adding 30 minutes, there's a clear build up of events for all the characters, with Luthor at the center of it. You actually see Clark and Lois investigating and uncovering the plot, you see Clark investigating Batman and realizing that he's become dangerous too, etc. It doesn't just jump to Luthor suddenly telling them to fight, you're shown how he's manipulated everyone.
Also amusingly, Luthor's craziness is explained better in the Ultimate Cut, as the scene where he talks with Batman in his cell is extended. He explains his constant crazed obsession with gods and everything in the film is due to having been told by the Kryptonian ship about Darkseid, and that he essentially was planning everything in order to eliminate what would attract Darkseid back to Earth: Superman. Except they've screwed up, there's more superheroes, there's mother boxes on Earth, it now doesn't matter, Darkseid is coming anyway.
And he's a god.
When they rewrote Justice League, Darkseid mostly was going to be saved for the second part, BUT he was going to appear in the first part when Diana tells the story (it also wasn't going to be a voiceover infodump but the start of the film) of the prior Apokolips invasion. It wasn't going to be Steppenwolf who came before, it was going to be Darkseid himself who was beaten back. Steppenwolf's plotline was that he was coming this time to try and gather the mother boxes to restore his place in the eyes of Darkseid as he had fallen out of favor and thus open the way for Darkseid to come and acquire the Anti-Life Equation.
In the theatrical cut, Steppenwolf still has like a single line left about how this is why he's even in the film. A ton of his dialogue was cut out because that plotline was excised and that's why the Justice League has to spend so much time standing around and explaining what the plot is. (A bunch of those scenes were added by Whedon, you can tell by if Wonder Woman is not in the shot with anyone else, Gal Godot couldn't shoot her scenes with the rest.) Then they stuck Steppenwolf back in the prior invasion so he seemed more dangerous and powerful and stuff rather than just being a Darkseid lackey since Darkseid was excised from the film too.
BvS suffers in the theatrical cut for similar reasons as Clark's plotline, and parts of Lois' got sliced out. That's why the Ultimate Cut seems shorter despite adding 30 minutes, there's a clear build up of events for all the characters, with Luthor at the center of it. You actually see Clark and Lois investigating and uncovering the plot, you see Clark investigating Batman and realizing that he's become dangerous too, etc. It doesn't just jump to Luthor suddenly telling them to fight, you're shown how he's manipulated everyone.
Also amusingly, Luthor's craziness is explained better in the Ultimate Cut, as the scene where he talks with Batman in his cell is extended. He explains his constant crazed obsession with gods and everything in the film is due to having been told by the Kryptonian ship about Darkseid, and that he essentially was planning everything in order to eliminate what would attract Darkseid back to Earth: Superman. Except they've screwed up, there's more superheroes, there's mother boxes on Earth, it now doesn't matter, Darkseid is coming anyway.
And he's a god.
Imagine caring about the DCEU in 2020. :neogaf
I have no idea what Bendis is doing, I'm too busy over here with my Snyder bros (and friends) we're rocking out on METAL with Junkie XL and this Snyder Cut is going to revive the DCEU so it can lead to a METAL movie (while Geoff Johns spends two decades writing that Green Lantern film)
bless up
Benji's boi seems to fucking hate Whedon :lol :lol
All the extra money spent on this and steadfast refusal to fix Flash running like he has cerebral palsy
Zack Snyder is pretty dumb, though, to be honest.
Why is the trailer in 4:3 AR? Did the Snyder Cut fall through a worm hole from 1997?
Free copy of FarCry :gladbron
My ideal version of the movie is the black-and-white IMAX version of the movie. That to me is the most fan-centric, most pure, most Justice League experience.:nope
it is probably a solid two-and-a-half hours of unseen footage in this movie, I would imagine. Something like that!:ohyeah
Quote from: Zack SnyderMy ideal version of the movie is the black-and-white IMAX version of the movie. That to me is the most fan-centric, most pure, most Justice League experience.:nope
Quote from: Zack SnyderMy ideal version of the movie is the black-and-white IMAX version of the movie. That to me is the most fan-centric, most pure, most Justice League experience.:nope
PLEASE release this ONLY in monochrome pillarbox. PLEASE. I need to see the reaction in the Snyder fanbase. :lol
Why even have a dialog track at that point? Interstitials are also very indie and "cool," Zacky boy.
PLEASE release this ONLY in monochrome pillarbox. PLEASE. I need to see the reaction in the Snyder fanbase. :lol
Why even have a dialog track at that point? Interstitials are also very indie and "cool," Zacky boy.
(https://i.imgur.com/szXBYau.jpg)more like:
I’m the Fucking Batman!
At this point I feel like with these movies Snyder’s like a kid having a blast with his action figures
You don’t have to like it, some movies don’t have to be for everyone. :yeshrug
someone holding a gun to your head tasty bb
I’m okay with that, Batman is pretty emo.
“Look at all these people with parents, time to wrack my body in mortal combat with crime gangs so I can feel something real” :batman
:popcornYou don’t have to like it, some movies don’t have to be for everyone. :yeshrugsomeone holding a gun to your head tasty bb
WB and DC marketing certainly would like that to be the case.
We're having a discussion on DC movies and what we'd like to see.
In any case I'm done talking about this for now and I'm hiding this thread. Enjoy the Snyder cut.
Tell me which one of these movies was REALLY good?I would say the top 5 Snyder films are
Justice League (directed by)
Snow Steam Iron (Short)
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
Superman 75 (TV Short documentary)
Man of Steel
Sucker Punch (directed by)
Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole
Watchmen
My Chemical Romance: Desolation Row (Short)
300
Dawn of the Dead
I think Dawn of the Dead and 300 are probably his best work. And those arent even THAT good a movies.
REALLY GOOD? None of these. Lets be honest here?
You guys know this is gonna be absolute trash right?
Zack Snyder cant make a movie to save his life
Tell me which one of these movies was REALLY good?
Justice League (directed by)
Snow Steam Iron (Short)
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
Superman 75 (TV Short documentary)
Man of Steel
Sucker Punch (directed by)
Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole
Watchmen
My Chemical Romance: Desolation Row (Short)
300
Dawn of the Dead
I think Dawn of the Dead and 300 are probably his best work. And those arent even THAT good a movies.
REALLY GOOD? None of these. Lets be honest here?
“I’d always wanted to explore the death of Robin,” Snyder said. “And if there ever was going to be a next movie, which, of course, there probably won’t be, I wanted to do a thing where in flashbacks we learn how Robin died, how Joker killed him and burned down Wayne Manor, and that whole thing that happened between he and Bruce.”#restorethesnyderverse :rejoice
This corny motherfucker :neogaf
WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY:joker :society :joker :society :joker :society :joker :society :joker :society :joker :society :joker :society :joker :society
MOVIE OF ETERNITY
Snyder should stick to trailers. Sometimes I feel like he reverse engineers entire movies from the trailer for it he makes in his head.
This is the beginning of the movie. You see Superman... We go through, this is all the lightning, the kind of orange lightning that comes off of Doomsday, you know, when he's 'YARGH!' There was also some sort of gravity issue, like these rocks were floating and all sorts of things were happening. Then we see the, as we drive in... That's Superman there as we drive in the, he's pulling the bone fragment out of Superman's chest and he cries out.
"Now, if you notice also in BvS there's a very audible cry. You can hear it's Superman's cry now. The cry goes across... this is Heroes Park... this is the Containment Center where Lex is. And then you see Lex communing with Steppenwolf... And then this is Cyborg, he's in his apartment and you see the push in on the closet and then you see some football trophy.
I think the best part of the trailer isn't WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY but when Alfred says running bull as Stephen Wolf is running and then a clip of Superman when he says wave the red cape.
Y’all don’t even apply a tenth of this much thought to Marvel movies.
Y’all don’t even apply a tenth of this much thought to Marvel movies.
Is Snyder a genius auteur whose works are underappreciated in his own time, or is he a talentless action director hack who consistently produces material worse than its source which should not be analyzed so deeply?
Pick one.
What if the Snyder cut is wildly successful for WB and HBO Max and they actually put the DCEU back in to his continuity
What if the Snyder cut is wildly successful for WB and HBO Max and they actually put the DCEU back in to his continuity
Zack recently talked up the movie Batfleck was supposed to direct.
Maybe they'll bring that back?
https://twitter.com/ComicBook/status/1361193526424264704 (https://twitter.com/ComicBook/status/1361193526424264704)
https://twitter.com/cbr/status/1361428400154492929
:rejoice
you know, when he says "YARGH"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPsLGoy-U-k
:dead
their all wet over some trash called wanda vision in the tv show thread :snoop
What if the Snyder cut is wildly successful for WB and HBO Max and they actually put the DCEU back in to his continuity
Bruh they put an additional $50M into a movie that was already released and flopped. Anything is possible these days.
No pls i'm tired of this capeshit seizing up all capital, can we have a new trend now? This has been going on long enough.Zack Snyder's next project is a "faithful" adaption of King Arthur.
I propose a resurgeance of Historical Epics.
Morrison's portrayal of that as "rightwing = fatherly/policeman, leftwing = counter-culture/for the people" is so reductive and misleading.This has always been Morrison's take on politics, it's why his political stuff is so boring. It's forever trapped in one view of the Thatcher Era; as a reaction to a reaction by a child of boomers. Lots of American "left" is similarly stuck in reliving the Civil Rights/Vietnam era forever as a black/white conflict and it similarly stunted a lot of our media's form of politics.
benji, what say you?Superman's not been a "right-wing" figure forever, not even after TDKR, because his other identity as Clark Kent has been shown since at least the 1970's as a reporter who takes endless chances (since he's invincible in reality) and fights against powerful forces who constantly want him (Kent, not Superman, although often both) dead for it. Clark Kent constantly writes/reports against stand-ins for all kinds of "right-wing" figures from the Contras to Lex Luthor to even things like government agencies failing to help the poor. The New 52 revision even had him quit his job to become a blogger to focus even more on that kind of journalism because the powers at the Daily Planet tried to kibosh a single one of his stories. (Ironically, during a series written by... Morrison.)
The pivot is beginning! :jebNo pls i'm tired of this capeshit seizing up all capital, can we have a new trend now? This has been going on long enough.Zack Snyder's next project is a "faithful" adaption of King Arthur.
I propose a resurgeance of Historical Epics.
The pivot is beginning! :jebNo pls i'm tired of this capeshit seizing up all capital, can we have a new trend now? This has been going on long enough.Zack Snyder's next project is a "faithful" adaption of King Arthur.
I propose a resurgeance of Historical Epics.
As with Man of Steel, Snyder continued to challenge expectations and norms, which sometimes led to pushback from the studio and originalist fans. Aquaman, for instance, has always looked WASPy in the comics. In casting the role for Batman v Superman, Snyder decided to forgo the blond hair and blue eyes of the comic book hero in favor of the long, dark locks and smoky gaze of Jason Momoa, who had come in to audition for Bruce Wayne. “He’s a Pacific Islander, there’s a connection to the sea—what if he’s Aquaman?” he remembers thinking. “Everyone was like, ‘You’re insane. That is not a thing.’”
But harsh reviews for Batman v Superman demolished Warner Bros.’ confidence in Snyder. Even the director’s champions, like production head Greg Silverman, were worried. “When Batman v Superman came out and we did get a negative reaction from the fans, it was disheartening for all of us,” says Silverman, now the founder and head of independent content company Stampede Ventures. “Zack had made these movies, like 300, that were such crowd-pleasers. And that was our job—to make crowd-pleasers. And here, we have made a movie together, and it didn’t really please the audience.”
“[The cast] were very loyal to Zack, and they were hurting for him,” says Nelson, the former DC president. “It would have been a difficult environment for any new director to walk into—I have no doubt about that. But then how Joss chose to handle that is Joss’s to live with.”
At a time of stories of abusive creators, Snyder is an anomaly. Even executives who were sometimes at odds with him agree that he’s genuinely nice. “I’d be stronger than that,” says Silverman. “He’s a wonderful guy and fostered a wonderful working environment on his sets. He really valued the crew. He valued his cast.”
The filmmaker has often said being an adoptive father is one of the reasons he was so invested in the story of Kal-El, a powerful being who became Superman thanks to the love and care of Jonathan and Martha Kent.
Kevin Spacey as Luthor. :gladbron
tbf i never knew both moms were named martha
https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1363875649258196994
UNITE THE SEVEN :jeb
https://mobile.twitter.com/GenePark/status/1363934881533874179
The Snyder cut leaked as 'Tom & Jerry'
https://twitter.com/TheRyanParker/status/1369058573632729097 (https://twitter.com/TheRyanParker/status/1369058573632729097)
And it sounds absolutelyterribleamazing
Think it's just the Tom and Jerry run time, which means that the software doesn't determine run time but the video format which is interesting, but I can see reasons for that.
Can't believe I loaded up Tom & Jerry to check this for myself :stahp
Can't believe I'm mildly looking forward to this getting released :stahp
I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY TOKU :bolo
Doesn't mean I won't still dump on things if I feel it's appropriate :trumps
Wet Ass Gussy :jeb
title cards identify six chapters and an epilogue:mouf
Is this how OG Transformers fans felt when Bayformers came out? :shaq2
Is this how OG Transformers fans felt when Bayformers came out? :shaq2
Bayformers... 3? has a megatron on his knees begging for mercy and optimus prime executes him gangland style.
Should I watch this?
-Didnt watch it the first time
-Havent seen any superman movie ever
-I watched and enjoyed the 3 Nolan Batmans
-I started the Joker, and about 30 minutes in decided it was the worst movie Id ever seen and turned it off
-Ive watched most of the Marvel garbage
-I watched WW84 and thought it was the most mediocre movie of the decade
-I dont really know who Snyder is or why he got cut
-I pay for HBO so its free
-I like good action movies
Should I watch this?It's four hours long breh, you want to either watch this because you're a DC fan, you're a Snyder fan, you liked Snyder's DC movies, are interested from just a Director's Cut perspective, or some other reason like that. Like BIONIC suggests, you might want to start with the shorter Man of Steel first. Then if you like that there's seven more hours in two movies with Ultimate Cut and this.
Are you still planning an adaptation of Ayn Rand’s “The Fountainhead”?
“Fountainhead” right now is on the back burner, and I don’t know how that movie gets made, at least not right away. We need a less divided country and a little more liberal government to make that movie, so people don’t react to it in a certain way.
I heard Man of Steel was bad?
Should I watch this?
-Didnt watch it the first time
-Havent seen any superman movie ever
-I watched and enjoyed the 3 Nolan Batmans
-I started the Joker, and about 30 minutes in decided it was the worst movie Id ever seen and turned it off
-Ive watched most of the Marvel garbage
-I watched WW84 and thought it was the most mediocre movie of the decade
-I dont really know who Snyder is or why he got cut
-I pay for internet so its free
-I like good action movies
I heard Man of Steel was bad?
Now we can never talk about this again, right?
Now we can never talk about this again, right?
Two hours in and every scene so far has basically been a superhero introduction scene. This really goes to show how underdeveloped the original was as a team-up movie. I feel like this is heading to be the original movie with 2 hours of front padding that should have been done in solo movies.
I bet when Steppenwolf was a kid people bullied him for having the eyes of a Pixar character.
I bet when Steppenwolf was a kid people bullied him for having the eyes of a Pixar character.
They should have given him the butt of a Pixar mom instead.
https://twitter.com/somebadideas/status/1372612993670873094
Wait this is actually in 4:3 aspect ratio? The fuck
Originally it was supposed to release in IMAX hence the 4:3.
I’m halfway through and I’m enjoying it thus far. It feels like a completely different movie. But that could be because of the 101.3 fever I’ve got going today
The dialog is so so bad. Like it literally tells the exact shit that is going to happen all the time. 'An Amazonian. But not like your sisters. Stronger. like just let her kick your ass a bit and the audience will pick that up. 'Artimesis arrow. It will fly to the land of men' ~ stupid poem about magic arrow being a beacon. Then it just shows the magic arrow being a beacon. Cyborgs dad narrating how powerful cyborg is then just showing cyborg doing it. Also the constant references without saying the person's name. Like batman going 'I promised HIM' or Amazon Queen going 'She will know'. It's such a lazy way to be dramatic and do world building.
I bet when Steppenwolf was a kid people bullied him for having the eyes of a Pixar character.
They should have given him the butt of a Pixar mom instead.
That's what Granny Goodness is there for :jeb
I bet when Steppenwolf was a kid people bullied him for having the eyes of a Pixar character.
They should have given him the butt of a Pixar mom instead.
That's what Granny Goodness is there for :jeb
The best Granny Goodness was Ed Asner:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlhUfX1C4lA
Darkseid walks slow
Was the "shocking cameo" really just Leto :dogeNah, pretty sure that's supposed to be J'onzz.
The dialog is so so bad. Like it literally tells the exact shit that is going to happen all the time. 'An Amazonian. But not like your sisters. Stronger. like just let her kick your ass a bit and the audience will pick that up. 'Artimesis arrow. It will fly to the land of men' ~ stupid poem about magic arrow being a beacon. Then it just shows the magic arrow being a beacon. Cyborgs dad narrating how powerful cyborg is then just showing cyborg doing it. Also the constant references without saying the person's name. Like batman going 'I promised HIM' or Amazon Queen going 'She will know'. It's such a lazy way to be dramatic and do world building.
Wait the Anti-Life Equation is just some ruins on earth, that Darkseid saw and then somehow forgot where the earth was?It's funny that despite four hours they left this plot hole in when a line of dialogue could have fixed it. (Or, they could have just left it out.)
The arrow is maybe one thing done better in the theatrical cut. There it's only like two lines: "It's been five thousand years, will man know what it means?" "Man won't know, she will." Then they fire it.
Humans: bury in the ground like two feet deep in Italy somewhere, leave it with no records/warnings about it. (Then Vic goes to hide it himself and does the same exact thing.)
ZSJL shows the superheroes’ dynamic, physicalized anxieties that, in the grand scheme, are sometimes confusedly political but go back to primordial conditions and foundational myths. The opening scenes linking different eras and characters in parallel situations and life instances are fantastically designed and with the most emotionally intense facial portraits since Joseph von Sternberg. This is a modern epic about worry and longing.:american
The passion behind #ReleaseTheSnyderCut was inspired by Snyder’s fans (a minority in today’s dumb-downed film culture), who favor his aesthetically rich D.C. comic-book storytelling over the juvenile mechanisms of Marvel’s Avengers films. Snyder’s characters don’t wink at the audience but call on personal recognition. These Superheroes — like gods on earth — personify human exertion. They represent myths for an age of disbelief, and their idealized traits derive from more than teenage wish fulfillment. At the close of Aquaman’s introduction, an Icelandic woman inhales the scent of his discarded sweater (like the wife illicitly recalling the aroma of a soldier’s jacket in The Searchers). This throwback to film history can also be scarily sensual, especially for an eroto-phobic age in which mainstream media pursue the dissolution of sexual differences. (Flash’s brief meet-cute with a girl in a sportscar extends into a slo-mo existential romance, to “Song of the Siren” — a divertimento out of Snyder’s underrated Sucker Punch.)
Our social reality has become so absurd — political gaslighting has reversed right and wrong, demeaned truth and faith — that Snyder’s reliance on the verities, summoning social unity through myth, goes against the grain. And yet, ZSJL demonstrates the most irrefutable, assuredly flamboyant filmmaking in years. ZSJL gives comic-book myth a classical look that formulaic Marvel movies and Peter Jackson’s unfocussed Lord of the Rings series lacked. Snyder pushes typically flimsy video-game extravagance toward Homer and Malory’s romantic depth. Each of ZSJL’s battle scenes move ingeniously with stunning details: a zigzag bolt of lightning; a cut-off hand still glowing with life force; Cyborg’s intuitive vision of a Russian bear charging a Wall Street bull; plus Flash and Wonder Woman converging at sword point, a moment so rousing that not even Whedon could resist it, now an oldie but goodie.
36 mins in, steppy wolf annihilating the thotties :whew
Will there be more of these director’s cuts? Will we see David Ayer’s cut of “Suicide Squad”?
We won’t be developing David Ayer’s cut.
Ray Fisher has previously stated that because of a non-disclosure agreement he can’t share specifics about the abusive behavior he endured on the set of “Justice League.” Is there an NDA that would prevent him from publicly sharing all the details of what transpired on “Justice League”?
Not that I know of. No.
You talked about enlisting a broad range of voices when it comes to charting the future of DC. Is there one person calling the shots?
The connective tissue in the middle is Jim Lee, who oversees DC Comics. Jim lives and breathes the canon of DC and he works with all of the divisions to make sure the storylines are true to the canon.
The angles are exactly the same in both versions of the film. But there is something that is 100% different about these shots as they appear in Zack Snyder’s Justice League. They are color corrected.
What that means is while in Whedon’s color-saturated version of the shot directly above we get a clear view of Wonder Woman’s “Wonderoos,” it’s just shadow in “The Snyder Cut.” The composition of the shot no longer feels like the POV of a little perv boy tossing coins on the ground to get a chance to peek up a lady’s skirt. Instead it’s meant to evoke a sense of oddness and literal wonder. Not only that, but the sequence ends with a scene where Diana stoops down to a little girl’s level and gives her an inspirational speech. It all feels decidedly less creepy.
Similarly, the lighting in the sequence where the newly formed Justice League leap down, ready for action, doesn’t make it look like someone’s shining a flashlight on Diana’s ass. She’s just one member of a team, charging into action.
Indeed, one of the most striking things about Wonder Woman in Zack Snyder’s Justice League versus the theatrical version is how Diana Prince is used. Snyder gives Wonder Woman several more scenes to show off her detective skills, bond with Alfred (Jeremy Irons), and just be a normal person sitting in a chair or hanging out. Maybe that sounds weird, but what that means is we get to know her as a formidable personality. She is allowed to exist outside the perspective of a horned up dude looking at her bodacious bod. Wonder Woman gets to be a person.
In a recent interview, Deborah Snyder told Decider’s Anna Menta that the choice to make Wonder Woman “multi-dimensional” was intentional. “She can be vulnerable and sensitive, but she’s also super strong and she’s a fierce warrior. This is how we always intended on showing her,” Snyder said. “I love some of the lines that weren’t in the theatrical cut—like with the little girl asking, ‘Can I be you someday?’ ‘You can be anything you want to be.’ Because that’s who Wonder Woman is. She’s empowering.”
You’re going to see Wonder Woman’s butt in Zack Snyder’s Justice League, but you’re also going to see her tenacity, her grace, her courage, her wit, and her approach to tea brewing. That is the great difference between Snyder and Whedon’s approaches. Snyder’s color correction, approach to plotting, and overall approach definitely mitigated the problem, but what really makes the shots of Wonder Woman in The Snyder Cut less creepy is the fact that she gets to be more than one part of her body.
So thanks HBO Max for releasing The Snyder Cut. You also showed the world Wonder Woman is way more than a great ass.
And Whedon-gate continues to this day: Fisher claimed in a March 12 interview with Vanity Fair that Whedon pulled scenes, like Ezra Miller’s The Flash falling on Wonder Woman’s chest, directly from Ultron and often referred to Diana as “Natasha.”:yikes
Yeah, sucks that DC/WB still has no idea what to do with these movies.
Yeah, sucks that DC/WB still has no idea what to do with these movies.
Not every fan has to love every piece of what we’re doing, but we’re putting out more tentacles to be able to reach people with different stories on different platforms, so there isn’t fatigue.
so there isn’t fatigue.
isn’t fatigue.
putting out more tentacles
David Ayer, seemingly without being compelled by any outside forces, made a buddy cop movie with Will Smith and an orc.
First 4:3 now Black and White? Snyder just watched Wandavision, fess up.
QuoteFirst 4:3 now Black and White? Snyder just watched Wandavision, fess up.
More like he just watched The Lighthouse. :lol
I didn't. YOU forgot about Darabont fighting tooth and nail for a B&W version of The Mist back in the day. :bolo
None of these are additionally 4:3 except The Lighthouse, for the record.
I started man of steel so I could watch this and I certainly didn't expect space dragons. I thought this was about a dude who worked at a newspaper
Most people didn't like WW84, though.
Most people don't like you, yet here we are
https://twitter.com/wnttakpod/status/1373335584543027201Is that Decider article satire? Because the headline certainly reads like satire.
Is that Decider article satire? Because the headline certainly reads like satire.No, I quoted from it on the prior page (http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=46015.msg2968806#msg2968806). :lol
I started man of steel so I could watch this and I certainly didn't expect space dragons. I thought this was about a dude who worked at a newspaper
Or this scene from Man of Steel:
(https://i.imgur.com/0DmQG2j.gif)
https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/zack-snyder-justice-league-streaming-numbers-snyderverse/Of course there would be push back from the corpo media and so called 'streaming numbers'.
According to this, Godzilla versus Kong proved that very few people actually care about DC’s Snyderverse.
Unfortunately, we’re talking about Hollywood, so we are stuck seeing overwrought, high budget flops from this failure for many years to come.