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Title: Why does the highest grossing movie ever have zero cultural footprint?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 21, 2019, 11:24:45 AM
Its been 10 years and no one cares about avatar now.
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Post by: headwalk on February 21, 2019, 11:37:13 AM
cause it's shite.
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Post by: Rufus on February 21, 2019, 11:40:57 AM
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Post by: Himu on February 21, 2019, 11:43:40 AM
because there hasn't been a sequel. pretty simple. Not even a childrens tv show.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 21, 2019, 11:43:51 AM
It's lasting impact is that they're still trying to get people to pay $3 extra to wear some plastic goggles to every blockbuster movie.
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Post by: Boredfrom on February 21, 2019, 11:58:10 AM
because there hasn't been a sequel. pretty simple. Not even a childrens tv show.

I think people are going to suddenly care again when the new film comes out, but probably because the James Cameron than anything to do with the franchise.
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Post by: ToxicAdam on February 21, 2019, 11:58:38 AM
It was a roller coaster. We all put our hands up and said "wheeeee" and then it was over.

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Post by: nachobro on February 21, 2019, 12:22:43 PM
there's the avatar land at disney world in the park no one ever goes to :zzz
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Post by: BisMarckie on February 21, 2019, 12:27:31 PM
I didn't last long either. These blue chicks were just way too hot. :noah
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Post by: Kara on February 21, 2019, 12:36:47 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/idwmTU7.jpg)
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Post by: Mupepe on February 21, 2019, 12:49:09 PM
I didn't last long either. These blue chicks were just way too hot. :noah
blue cats, not chicks.
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Post by: bork on February 21, 2019, 12:49:49 PM
WRONG.  It's had a MASSIVE IMPACT.

This video has 21,000 views.  21,000!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KRB3QY5vBI

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Post by: Brehvolution on February 21, 2019, 12:51:49 PM
Maybe it's legacy was just unobtainium.

(https://i.imgur.com/cIFpHGM.png)
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 21, 2019, 01:16:53 PM
In terms of the cultural footprint box office, it definitely grossed less than $250 million.
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Post by: agrajag on February 21, 2019, 01:16:55 PM
Scullibundo annihilated
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on February 21, 2019, 01:26:07 PM
Because everyone already knew the Pocahontas story.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on February 21, 2019, 01:26:16 PM
Avatar has no sequels [yet], no spinoffs in theaters or on TV, just the one videogame adaptation from 10 years ago, no comic books or novels, and isn't attached to a larger property. So it pretty much falls exclusively on the content of the movie itself to create the footprint, and there just isn't enough substance there for people to hang onto.

I guess you could blame the 3D craze on it, though.
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Post by: Brehvolution on February 21, 2019, 01:37:58 PM
It did look amazing on my 3D TV.  :vr
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Post by: Rufus on February 21, 2019, 02:16:56 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/idwmTU7.jpg)
So is our flesh, major. :tocry
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Post by: shosta on February 21, 2019, 02:21:31 PM
Long ago, the four nations lived together in harmony. Then, everything changed when the Fire Nation attacked. Only the Avatar, master of all four elements, could stop them, but when the world needed him most, he vanished. A hundred years passed and my brother and I discovered the new Avatar, an airbender named Aang, and although his airbending skills are great, he has a lot to learn before he's ready to save anyone. But I believe Aang can save the world.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 21, 2019, 03:15:05 PM
Long ago, the four nations lived together in harmony. Then, everything changed when the Fire Nation attacked. Only the Avatar, master of all four elements, could stop them, but when the world needed him most, he vanished. A hundred years passed and my brother and I discovered the new Avatar, an airbender named Aang, and although his airbending skills are great, he has a lot to learn before he's ready to save anyone. But I believe Aang can save the world.

Yeah, it's crazy that people have already forgotten about this M. Night Shyamalan masterpiece.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 21, 2019, 04:12:49 PM
Movies don't have cool one-liners anymore, for you and your bros to sit around and quote ad nauseam. Can you imagine people quoting Avatar all the time? What would they even say? "We really are the Avatar, Ellie."
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Post by: Occam on February 21, 2019, 04:19:57 PM
Just because many people like something, that doesn't mean it's good.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on February 21, 2019, 04:32:48 PM
Which makes the sequels coming really difficult to predict success for.

Yeah, it's hard to say. The hype has definitely died down a lot, especially compared to how it was in the first few years afterward, but you still bet against James Cameron at your own peril.
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Post by: VomKriege on February 21, 2019, 04:43:03 PM
The gross is a bit of a misleading metric, because of inflation both in general and the involution of ticket prizes. Box office in France is expressed in tickets sold and it's a much better indicator of popularity (though less useful as an economic one). I don't have the numbers with me but IIRC, while raw gross revenue have seemingly never been higher, the truth is that the audience for cinema theaters plummeted at some point after the war. Probably in no small part because of TV.

See that Reddit thread for some context (1,3 billion tickets sold in the US in 2018 for comparison):
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/answers/comments/1di9ps/in_which_year_were_the_most_movie_tickets_sold/

"Cinema" is fine but the cinema theater experience (with its collective nature fostered into a fairly tight time window and as a centerpiece of society as a whole) has declined quite a bit even compared to what our parents may have experienced.

I think the film is pretty flat and trite, to be honest. It's not the first hugely successful movie to be so and seemingly having so little footprint though maybe it's the biggest. My speculative 2c on why it "overperformed" despite being so bland is that Cameron was riding the Titanic mega success. I guess we'll see how the sequels perform.

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Post by: curly on February 21, 2019, 05:44:55 PM
The only thing I remember about this movie is the hair sex
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Post by: benjipwns on February 21, 2019, 07:03:10 PM
I only watched it with RiffTrax.

Still regretted it and probably zoned out a bunch.
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Post by: BlueTsunami on February 21, 2019, 08:54:43 PM
Because high grade escapism is still escapism
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Post by: BlueTsunami on February 21, 2019, 08:57:17 PM
If Cameron turns this into his blue tinted Dune id be down for it though. Otherwise its indulgent bestiality.
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 21, 2019, 09:08:58 PM
https://twitter.com/lovelykeffie/status/1097270089378877442
https://twitter.com/lovelykeffie/status/1097274356907081731
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 21, 2019, 09:37:15 PM
Posting my own tweets can't stop me

https://twitter.com/crossslide/status/1098768154841382913
https://twitter.com/crossslide/status/1098772150683496448
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Post by: naff on February 21, 2019, 09:55:29 PM
Why is that person calling a movie a meme?

I want to murder them.

There are memes. And there are m e m e s.
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Post by: shosta on February 27, 2019, 02:29:03 AM
https://twitter.com/RedKahina/status/1100453593168166912
[1/17]
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Post by: BisMarckie on February 27, 2019, 03:07:13 AM
Misspelling Nietzsche. :nope
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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 27, 2019, 08:48:07 AM
They OWN!
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 28, 2019, 08:30:16 PM
Misspelling Nietzsche. :nope

She uses a different wrong spelling later in the thread,  I was hoping she was trolling and I'd see another two or three distinct wrong spellings as I scrolled down, but alas there's only the two.
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Post by: TVC15 on February 28, 2019, 08:34:56 PM
I’d rather watch House Party 4.
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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 01, 2019, 12:33:15 AM
It just occurred to me that I've never seen an Avatar meme. Not once. I mean, shit... people don't even like Spider-Man 3 and that got memed' to hell and back. Its a thing nearly everybody has seen, its hard to find a more common frame of reference, and yet, no memes. I seen more memes of second string Indian film stars fer crying out loud.

I am pretty sure it was a low-key significant contributing factor to Disney buying Fox (https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/destinations/animal-kingdom/pandora-world-of-avatar/), but I can't really prove that.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 01, 2019, 02:24:33 AM
There is just nothing memorable about it, like nothing
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Post by: VomKriege on March 01, 2019, 04:18:37 AM
It just occurred to me that I've never seen an Avatar meme. Not once. I mean, shit... people don't even like Spider-Man 3 and that got memed' to hell and back. Its a thing nearly everybody has seen, its hard to find a more common frame of reference, and yet, no memes. I seen more memes of second string Indian film stars fer crying out loud.

I am pretty sure it was a low-key significant contributing factor to Disney buying Fox (https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/destinations/animal-kingdom/pandora-world-of-avatar/), but I can't really prove that.

I believe at the time there were talks of people going into retreat because of the film shock of leaving the beautiful world of Generica. Plus some people who blued themselves... But that was often reported by people trying to explain me that Avatar was the most culturally significant thing ever so take it with a grain of salt.

Also saw posters for the Cirque du Soleil having an avatar show just a few weeks ago.
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Post by: VomKriege on March 01, 2019, 04:21:03 AM
https://forum.learnnavi.org/index.php? (https://forum.learnnavi.org/index.php?)
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Post by: Reb on March 01, 2019, 04:42:07 AM
Still haven't seen this thing.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 01, 2019, 11:03:36 PM
Still haven't seen this thing.

Same here. I do know a lot of people who saw it and loved it. I always assumed it was Dances With Wolves In Space.
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Post by: Trurl on March 01, 2019, 11:21:30 PM
I thought the whole "we see you" thing was a reference to Avatar.

Occasionally I'll call things cheddar
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Post by: Dickie Dee on March 01, 2019, 11:54:33 PM
Avatar is the Sam Worthington of movies.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on March 02, 2019, 09:26:24 AM
Avatar is the Sam Worthington of movies.

You're not wrong. He was everywhere for about a year, then just vanished into the ether. Ironically, his return to major cinema is the next Avatar movie.
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Post by: Himu on March 02, 2019, 09:30:03 AM
Real talk if they wanted to build the Avatar brand, all they had to do was make a cartoon prequel on cartoon network or something and maybe an MMO or whatever. The world is good for a WoW-esque horde (blue people) vs humans esque factions things. Instead, no one will remember what Avatar even is when Avatar 2 comes around. It's shocking how little they've done with a movie that made so much. Pretty ridiculous when you think about it.

Still haven't seen this thing.

Same here. I do know a lot of people who saw it and loved it. I always assumed it was Dances With Wolves In Space.

It really is.
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Post by: Huff on March 02, 2019, 09:43:05 AM
I saw it. It was fine
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Post by: Himu on March 02, 2019, 09:56:35 AM
Yeah I like the movie. It's not the greatest but fun.
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Post by: Kara on March 02, 2019, 12:08:46 PM
People rant and rave about various eras of GAF and Fake GAF moderation but none of them live up to the era when GAF's mods let Scullibundo render Off-Topic utterly unreadable with his incessant new threads about AVATAR.

Also my semi-serious answer to the original question of this thread is: No Felix Biederman, but I'm sure it's a huge coincidence that a vaguely anti-imperialist movie was set to the side in the imperialist core after making money out the wazoo.
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Post by: VomKriege on March 02, 2019, 01:18:03 PM
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People rant and rave about various eras of GAF and Fake GAF moderation but none of them live up to the era when GAF's mods let Scullibundo render Off-Topic utterly unreadable with his incessant new threads about AVATAR.

It's not stereotypical characters, it's Jungian archetypes :smug

Some fans were really invested in selling it as the greatest, most insightful thing ever made at the time, a window into no less than humanity unconsciousness.
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Post by: Mandark on March 02, 2019, 02:14:38 PM
The old heads will remember there was a bout of Avatar obsession on this forum too.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 02, 2019, 02:21:41 PM
The old heads will remember there was a bout of Avatar obsession on this forum too.

:avatar
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Post by: team filler on March 02, 2019, 02:25:35 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/4WmPURl.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/gPDScuV.jpg)

dat culture