I think Jaime gets a noble, redemptive death.
Everyone that had sex is going to die.
PD and I once thought The Winds of Winter would be out in 2014 :snoop
Being this close to the end, I don't see a lot of scenarios where tits will be out. :(
Emilia Clarke, Cersei...
at least put some effort in your horrible fanfics, dude
I can't help but imagine a 5 year old playing with 2 action figures making voices when you do those obnoxious dialog posts Nintex.Imagine this, specifically:
which season had the awful Sand Snakes subplot? That one sucked.
- Tyrion sold out Jon and Danny
- Bran has always been the three-eyed raven
Book it.
- Tyrion sold out Jon and Danny
- Bran has always been the three-eyed raven
Book it.
Number two is already how it works. Or did you forget Hold The Door
I have a stupid running bet with a former coworker who is convinced that Bran is the Night King.
I have a stupid running bet with a former coworker who is convinced that Bran is the Night King.
Isn‘t that just some reddit fan theory?
Still, not as dumb as the Quiet=Chico iMGS V. theory :sabu
I know its a bit of a bump but i did find some probably real spoilers from a week ago from a source who got ninjad today by hbo so probably legitNot nearly enough incest, pedophelia, sadism, torture or a combination of those. I would say fake.
https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/b40l4c/and_so_he_spoke_and_so_he_spoke_a_transcription/
its only episode 1 spoilers so far but be wary out there if yall care
I told you that in the trailer I thought I have seen *, and then, however, in the analysis of the trailer, I did not say that, I did not say it, I did not tell you about *. And many of the comments you made were about *: “where is *, I do not see it”, “the *!”. I'll be honest, I did not say that again to you because after reviewing the images a thousand times it turns out that there was no *. I did not see it. I thought I saw it, but then, after seeing that edited version of that * version of the trailer, I did not see the *. And this has left me very worried, because you know what? You know what?
Who will show their tits this season?
Who will show their tits this season?
Is there any nudity in the premiere or can I skip
Is there any nudity in the premiere or can I skip
Is there any nudity in the premiere or can I skip
:boringthis but x2
Is there any nudity in the premiere or can I skip
This one was fairly funny, tbh.Is there any nudity in the premiere or can I skip
It has the most blatant sexposition scene in a while. I don’t recall any like the whore scene since like season 5.
The weird CG cowgirl scene was weird🤥.Ok, so i wasn't crazy.
bring back all the old hokagesdattebayo
The one thing I was thinking after this episode was, how many pages would it have taken George to get all these characters from where they were at the end of last season, to where they were at the end of this episode? 500? 600? No wonder the dude gave up on writing. Even at his peak output levels it would've taken him 5 years just to do what happened in this one episode. Which also just goes to show how much time he would've wasted on "world building".
Does anyone else think it's weird that an epic fantasy series about an entire world is 98% one-on-one conversations
Does anyone else think it's weird that an epic fantasy series about an entire world is 98% one-on-one conversations
Only a bit, since the focus has always been on a (relatively) small group of powerful people and the politics of feudal succession. It's right there in the name!
What sticks out to me is how many of those scenes stick close to one of a few templates: the polite conversation with a hint of menace, the respectful argument, the passionate yelling argument, the road trip banter, the revelation of a past trauma with a slow zoom in.
OMG NOTHING HAPPENED!!!
OMG NOTHING HAPPENED!!!
not ready for the bloodbath brehswe need to crack these eggs to move the plot forward
I wonder what show you idiots that want nothing but battles have been watching for 7+ fucking seasons, because the one everyone else is watching is called "Game of Thrones" and is about political backstabbing you fucking slackjawed simpleton fuckwits
I wonder what show you idiots that want nothing but battles have been watching for 7+ fucking seasons, because the one everyone else is watching is called "Game of Thrones" and is about political backstabbing you fucking slackjawed simpleton fuckwitsI'd like a show that moves things forward. Instead of being like 'Remember Brienne?', "Remember Sam?" "Remember Gendry?"
Guaranteed if this episode was part of a binge watching experience it'd be a favourite. In the future when people can immediately roll into the next episode I'm sure it'll be remembered fondly.I'm never watching this shid again foh :lol
You know you're scraping the bottom of the barrel when Arya is riding bastard Baratheon dick. Brienne getting knighted got me misty eyed though.First, assert dominance, showing off your knife throwing skill, implying how easy it'd be for you to kill them.
You know you're scraping the bottom of the barrel when Arya is riding bastard Baratheon dick. Brienne getting knighted got me misty eyed though.First, assert dominance, showing off your knife throwing skill, implying how easy it'd be for you to kill them.
Then dredge up their past emotional sexual trauma to further destabilize them emotionally.
Finally go on about needing to lose your incel status before you die, as you forcefully push them to the ground and tell them to undress.
Arya got real problematic there. :thinking
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That was fucking trash.
Benioff and Weiss have failed upwards more than any two douchebags in history.
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I think the worst part out of the whole episode were those ~10 minutes in the middle where it turns into clocktower with Arya and a bunch of zombies in the castle
I think it was more to break the pace, and also have a more dramatic turn, when she does come back to kill the Night King.I think the worst part out of the whole episode were those ~10 minutes in the middle where it turns into clocktower with Arya and a bunch of zombies in the castle
I thought the same thing. It turned into a 90's thriller for a good 15 minutes. Maybe they started running out of budget.
I think the worst part out of the whole episode were those ~10 minutes in the middle where it turns into clocktower with Arya and a bunch of zombies in the castle
I liked that part, because I played that level in Resident Evil.I think the worst part out of the whole episode were those ~10 minutes in the middle where it turns into clocktower with Arya and a bunch of zombies in the castle
I thought the same thing. It turned into a 90's thriller for a good 15 minutes. Maybe they started running out of budget.
I liked the random stealth game mechanic section tooI was waiting for Jon to have one of those Crash Bandicoot scenes where he has to run away from a boulder while facing the camera. Oh well...
I think it was more to break the pace, and also have a more dramatic turn, when she does come back to kill the Night King.I think the worst part out of the whole episode were those ~10 minutes in the middle where it turns into clocktower with Arya and a bunch of zombies in the castle
I thought the same thing. It turned into a 90's thriller for a good 15 minutes. Maybe they started running out of budget.
Though to me it didn't make all that much sense, since she was being cocky and killing waves of zombies the minute before.
When Omar got killed by a kid ya'll wet your panties
You come at the king you best not miss
When Omar got killed by a kid ya'll wet your pantiesIf Omar was followed, in that grocery store, by a hundred foot soldiers and about 15 generals who's eyes, as established multiple times, he could see through.
https://twitter.com/D_Walt7/status/1122690222884564992
Just can't wait for this shit to be over.
I only have two hopes:Chances of either of these things happening are fuck all and none.
- The fat cunt GURM has actually been playing us for fools and has both final books practically ready to release once this pile of horseshit is over
- The "major story beats" that he fed D&D were draft nonsense that he wanted to test market before committing to finalising the real story.
Fuck this shit. At this point I am almost ready to just avoid both the show and the books and just finish things off by reading wikipedia summaries.
Just can't wait for this shit to be over.
I only have two hopes:Chances of either of these things happening are fuck all and none.
- The fat cunt GURM has actually been playing us for fools and has both final books practically ready to release once this pile of horseshit is over
- The "major story beats" that he fed D&D were draft nonsense that he wanted to test market before committing to finalising the real story.
Fuck this shit. At this point I am almost ready to just avoid both the show and the books and just finish things off by reading wikipedia summaries.
Anybody who thinks GURM has the books ready, or had better ideas than what the show has given us, clearly doesn't know GURM.
GURM is never going to finish the books. He’s going to pivot into the real literary cash cow... YA Fiction.
They foreshadowed Arya killing NK when Mellisandre told her: "I see darkness in you... you will turn out the light of many eyes... brown eyes, green eyes, BLUE EYES" forever ago.:iface
So was Arya Azor Ahai, or are they never gonna mention that again? I am guessing it's the latter.
edit: day one, get the fuck outta here :lol
I'm totally fine with Arya killing NK, but I think thematically it would've made more sense to have it happen after the war with Cersei.
lmao THAT'S the foreshadowing Human Snorenado and Riotous are talking about? Get the fuck outta here man :lol :lol :lol
I dunno, seems like their defense off Winterfell was pretty poorly thought out
edit: way to change your entire post MMa ::)
And then one of the fucking producers says rhat all Dothraki had perished from the world. He wants us to believe that that small band that rode off to die were all the Dothraki in the world?That's because Daenerys has been using them as her disposable army.
:foodcourt
I dunno, seems like their defense off Winterfell was pretty poorly thought out
edit: way to change your entire post MMa ::)
Wait what did I change?
Yes the entire defense was poorly thought out, I agree 100%. Terrible "strategy" by the living.
"You'll kill a lot of bastards in your life, boy.. tall, short, ugly, handsome"
*20 years later, after killing the Goblin King.*
"Oh my God, that one seer did mention i'd kill some 'ugly bastard'!"
Again, you can choose to see it as a foreshadowing prophecy, but if it is, it's the most vague fucking pointless prophecy i've ever seen.
Maybe the dragons got hungry? :awesomeI dunno, seems like their defense off Winterfell was pretty poorly thought out
edit: way to change your entire post MMa ::)
Wait what did I change?
Yes the entire defense was poorly thought out, I agree 100%. Terrible "strategy" by the living.
Nintex, there were thousands of them if not millions, and not all unified under one Khalassar. I doubt that all of them, or even the majority came with her. And what about the women and children?
I'm totally fine with Arya killing NK, but I think thematically it would've made more sense to have it happen after the war with Cersei.Arya killing the NK was badass af.
I'm totally fine with Arya killing NK, but I think thematically it would've made more sense to have it happen after the war with Cersei.Arya killing the NK was badass af.
No, the way she killed him was fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellowed.
how did they fucking suck so much that they got wiped out in seconds? The wights are not that formidable as seen fighting everyone else. And how did Jorah manage to come back when he was leading the charge? He returned roughly five seconds after their swords went out, so that means he tucked tail and ran immediately :doge
I'm totally fine with Arya killing NK, but I think thematically it would've made more sense to have it happen after the war with Cersei.Arya killing the NK was badass af.
No, the way she killed him was fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellowed.
Nah no it wasn't. She's a master assassin
I'm totally fine with Arya killing NK, but I think thematically it would've made more sense to have it happen after the war with Cersei.Arya killing the NK was badass af.
No, the way she killed him was fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellowed.
Nah no it wasn't. She's a master assassin
Sure. The NK can turn around in a split second and grab her throat. But somehow, he couldn't do anything about that bit of juggling with a dagger ::)
Her "master assassin" training consisted mostly of getting rekt by that other girl. Give me a break.
Nowhere in the entire series has he shown a proclivity for swordfighting or fighting of any kind really.
Was honestly hoping Theon would surprise NK with his tolerance for pain after his past and at least slow him down for someone else to deliver the blow. Which is almost what happened?
Nowhere in the entire series has he shown a proclivity for swordfighting or fighting of any kind really.
Except, for instance, about a minute before getting popped like a scrub, by grabbing Theon's spear, snapping it like it's a twig, and stick him with the pointy end in about 1.5 seconds :lol
But I guess Theon isn't a M A S T A H A S S A S S I N
Bran pulling a dragon glass dagger from beneath his blanket and stabbing the NK in the dick would have been infinitely better than the crap they came up with. Perfect way to fulfill his dream of being a knight.
Why didn't they arm a bunch of snipers with dragonglass-tip arrows? :thinking
Ok then let's not pretend that Jon Snow couldn't have merked him 1v1with his Oathbreaker or whatever his Valyrian sword is called if he and Dany actually articulated a strategy based on targeting him and using her dragon to wreck the wights protecting him. Don't come here with that "only Arya could do it" nonsense. :doge
Best thing they could've done is stay behind the walls with the dragons, light the barriers when the army of the undead approaches and pepper them with dragon fire and fire arrows. If the dragons stayed back, they could prevent them from making that opening through the fire barrier. Deal with the ice dragon when he gets there.
Why didn't they arm a bunch of snipers with dragonglass-tip arrows? :thinking
Theon had years of legit military training and has been through tons of battles as well as being an expert bowman. He only "ran at him for 15 seconds and telegraphed his exact movement" because that's what the shitty writing required. :lol
The shitty writing also required for Bran to be protected by ragtag team of cannon fodder while Jon and Dany get lost in the snow storm for 30 minutes.
Theon had years of legit military training and has been through tons of battles as well as being an expert bowman. He only "ran at him for 15 seconds and telegraphed his exact movement" because that's what the shitty writing required. :lol
The shitty writing also required for Bran to be protected by ragtag team of cannon fodder while Jon and Dany get lost in the snow storm for 30 minutes.
Wasn't that Bran's plan? He knew whoever he had there to defend him wouldn't do shit in the end. He foresaw it.
Dany and Jon got lost in the storm because they didn't account for the storm.
But sure just blame it all on shitty writing man, it's easy. Why even continue to watch the show if the writing is so shitty? '
Either way I dont give a fuck, I most certainly enjoyed it and thought it was a great end to that NK :). Who was a boring villain anyway.
To be fair, if you didn't expect a ton of deus ex machina from a show with 900 hanging threads and 6 eps left to wrap it all up you were setting yourself up for disappointment.
To be fair, if you didn't expect a ton of deus ex machina from a show with 900 hanging threads and 6 eps left to wrap it all up you were setting yourself up for disappointment.So far they're doing a better job than something like Boardwalk Empire. Which just 'ended' leaving almost nothing resolved.
I enjoy the show and haven't missed an episode. But let's not pretend it's Blood Meridian either.
I enjoy the show and haven't missed an episode. But let's not pretend it's Blood Meridian either.
I mean I agree they could be handling it better, but given the last two or three seasons I came in expecting dumb.
Lager, did you watch the commentary after the episode? They picked Arya to be the NK killer solely for the surprise factor. Not because it makes sense thematically. That's why it feels cheap to a lot of people. I don't really care, I am simply enjoying the spectacle at this point, but I turned off my brain when it comes to the show a long time ago.
The writing has been sloppy lately with a lot of loose ends simply not addressed. Like how do Varys (who has an axe to grind with red priests for chopping off his dick), Melissandre (who tried to sacrifice Gendry), Gendry, Beric (who sold Gendry to be sacrificed), Rya (who has Melissandre and Beric on her kill lost) all be at the same place and not even have a passing mention of their beef with each other?
And then one of the fucking producers says rhat all Dothraki had perished from the world. He wants us to believe that that small band that rode off to die were all the Dothraki in the world?
:foodcourt
Arya being a Master Assassin or not, isn't even the issue, in my opinion.
I'm willing to accept that she's become a godly ninja, since they've been beating us over the head with it, over the last 2 seasons, but what i take issue with, is the way they decided to implement these skills, just wasn't clever on any level.
She literally jumped out of off screen, going past dozens of people with no explanation.
Regardless of how "realistic" that is, it's just not fun from a storytelling perspective, because it doesn't respect its own rules, it's just a cheap editing trick, that betrays your suspension of disbelief as a viewer.
That's what a plot-hole really is, it's breaking the established rule-set, for convenience's sake.
I'm ok with Arya killing the NK using her ninja skills, but come up with some fucking method she actually implements, that isn't abusing the editing software to teleport behind him, just because you're too lazy to write yourself out of that corner.
The strategy and tactics were atrocious.
No scouting. No obstacles to slow the advance. One artillery barrage. Cavalry charge in the dark with no scouting. Archers barely used until late in the battle. Dragons barely used at all offensively.
There should have been advance scouts deployed, and the WW force should have been taking a nonstop artillery barrage from the moment they were in range, with rows and rows of obstacles placed to slow their advance and keep them in artillery range longer. The dragons should have been strafing their flanks constantly. It's absurd that the NK was able to get >95% of his original force within 500 feet of Winterfell. He should have been down a few thousand wights before a single human made contact with his army.
Lil leader girl killing the giant wight was cool tho y no one talk about that
The strategy and tactics were atrocious.Keep winning, Jack Remington. (This episode was garbage)
No scouting. No obstacles to slow the advance. One artillery barrage. Cavalry charge in the dark with no scouting. Archers barely used until late in the battle. Dragons barely used at all offensively.
There should have been advance scouts deployed, and the WW force should have been taking a nonstop artillery barrage from the moment they were in range, with rows and rows of obstacles placed to slow their advance and keep them in artillery range longer. The dragons should have been strafing their flanks constantly. It's absurd that the NK was able to get >95% of his original force within 500 feet of Winterfell. He should have been down a few thousand wights before a single human made contact with his army.
i don't really remember the premise for jon running into the battle of the bastards so recklessly, and whether the Vale crew showing up to save them from the boltons was anticipated or not but man that battle was sick
The strategy and tactics were atrocious.
No scouting. No obstacles to slow the advance. One artillery barrage. Cavalry charge in the dark with no scouting. Archers barely used until late in the battle. Dragons barely used at all offensively.
There should have been advance scouts deployed, and the WW force should have been taking a nonstop artillery barrage from the moment they were in range, with rows and rows of obstacles placed to slow their advance and keep them in artillery range longer. The dragons should have been strafing their flanks constantly. It's absurd that the NK was able to get >95% of his original force within 500 feet of Winterfell. He should have been down a few thousand wights before a single human made contact with his army.
Hahahahaha you're acting like any of this was out of character for Jon Snow, who I'm sure will go on to be the worst possible King one day
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you like short guys, himu?
ain't jon targaryen like 5'3 ?
Tbh the "lol Jon was always incompetent and stupid" as an argument against the show having shitty writing makes no sense because the show constently presents Jon as the best the good guys got. And everyone wants him to be their leader.
Tbh the "lol Jon was always incompetent and stupid" as an argument against the show having shitty writing makes no sense because the show constently presents Jon as the best the good guys got. And everyone wants him to be their leader.
That just shows how dumb the North is.
Yeah but even if you consider "why isn't the tactic realistic" a nitpick, which is fair enough, on a storytelling standpoint, it still ringed very hollow (and thus unengaging and boring to watch) when every other scene was red-shirt-slaughter with bubbles of magical plot armors forming around main characters, with a couple of telegraphed deaths (of very secondary characters), and on top of that, almost every "near death" moment for the main characters, got resolved the same way, 15 times (with another hero jumping in from off screen at the last second).Reeotous calling me an insufferable nerd. :lol
I'm just fucking around; I won't fault you guys for giving a shit..
... but I will say you are doing it wrong. I got annoyed briefly "why are they charging?" but then I thought "Oh that's a cool scene, I get it" once I saw their sword-flames being "snuffed out" and how dramatic that was.
What do you gain by caring so much about the battle strategies used on a show that is 99% not about battles?
edit: And I still "get it".. I have failed to enjoy media too.. but you guys are failing. Hopefully you enjoy the nit-picking though.
so why did the experienced battle commanders make such rookie tactical errors?
https://youtu.be/uAM6V-sHSQM
Stuff like this is why I give GoT a loooooot of rope. They've diverged so much from the books I love that I'm numb to the stupid shit now. I no longer care. I just want closure and freedom from Gurm. :rejoice
There are books? :snob
There are books? :snob
Yeah ofcourse that foreshadowing is bull. But it fits nicely imo. Arya is next to Aegon the only one realistically who could kill the NK.
But I guess if ur like nah Arya is still a noob and no master assassin ( which the show clearly needs to spell out for some ) then I understand why you wouldnt take that as possibility.
But the whole "master assassin" thing makes me laugh. It's not exactly hard to assassinate people when you have access to magical face masks that make you look and sound exactly like whoever the fuck you want.
Reeotous calling me an insufferable nerd. :lol
I'm just fucking around; I won't fault you guys for giving a shit..
... but I will say you are doing it wrong. I got annoyed briefly "why are they charging?" but then I thought "Oh that's a cool scene, I get it" once I saw their sword-flames being "snuffed out" and how dramatic that was.
What do you gain by caring so much about the battle strategies used on a show that is 99% not about battles?
edit: And I still "get it".. I have failed to enjoy media too.. but you guys are failing. Hopefully you enjoy the nit-picking though.
Arya's development as a seasoned warrior is believable and probably one of the most weird complaints anyone could make about this story. "Where did she even come from?" is a more cogent question from a film making/editing standpoint.
i found the dothraki charge too obviously emotionally manipulative, yeah it was a cool scene. so cool, i imagined the writers pitch as i watched it and everyone in the boardroom going ooohhh in response ::)
i know it's GoT, not high art, but even in the context of GoT it was a lil disappointing and utilitarian. a play to spectacle and a rushed conclusion to something which deserved a little more deftness imo. dw though, i enjoy a lot of media! and i enjoyed this ep for what it was; a disappointing, dismissive conclusion to the white walker hordes.
Arya's development as a seasoned warrior is believable and probably one of the most weird complaints anyone could make about this story. "Where did she even come from?" is a more cogent question from a film making/editing standpoint.
totes. the direction of the ep was all over the place. too many threads to wrap up, not enough time! i'm just confused why it felt so rushed. is GoT a money sink? i thought this shit was an extremely profitable HBO pillar.
Somehow people seem to think that Arya's training overrides any basic rule of good story telling.
I'm not surprised seeing this turn into another "is she mary-sue" argument online, when that has little to do with it.
8)Guaranteed if this episode was part of a binge watching experience it'd be a favourite. In the future when people can immediately roll into the next episode I'm sure it'll be remembered fondly.I'm never watching this shid again foh :lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI7zy1PTMp0
my boy has my back :ohyeah
:shh The writing on the show started to go to shit when it delved into stuff past the 3rd book, because by then the source material was shitty as well
Well I mean George RR Martin seems to think the show is pretty faithful.
Compares it to comics like Spiderman in how they are two seperate entities though.
He also thinks the ending will be very close to his own..
https://youtu.be/SjDentEr9c4
Feast actually had GRRMs best prose in the entire series. But had some of the most boring stretches IMO
Dance started a lot better than Feast but had a "When are they going to get to the Fireworks Factory" vibe throughout the middle until the end where we got cockteased, and nothing for 8 years.
The Northern storylines in Dance still beat the crap out of anything we've seen in the show since season 5.
One of my biggest problems with the later books is that the world building starts to fall in quality. The Essos locales all feel the same with the exception of Braavos, it's clear he blew his metaphorical load creating Westeros.
that's cause GRRM has writer's block and now getting ideas from the show to finish his books.
GRRM right now
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One of my biggest problems with the later books is that the world building starts to fall in quality. The Essos locales all feel the same with the exception of Braavos, it's clear he blew his metaphorical load creating Westeros.As a northern European, I'd have a very clear idea of what Westeros looks like even without lavish descriptions. I could fill in gaps or relate anything in the books to real-world examples or other fiction. Anything east of Westeros, meanwhile, is just a mishmash of sandstone, silk and lapis lazuli to me. Anyone inspired by hellenic cultures? Egyptian? I couldn't tell. Which culture in the books has pyramids? I don't even remember. :doge
One of my biggest problems with the later books is that the world building starts to fall in quality. The Essos locales all feel the same with the exception of Braavos, it's clear he blew his metaphorical load creating Westeros.As a northern European, I'd have a very clear idea of what Westeros looks like even without lavish descriptions. I could fill in gaps or relate anything in the books to real-world examples or other fiction. Anything east of Westeros, meanwhile, is just a mishmash of sandstone, silk and lapis lazuli to me. Anyone inspired by hellenic cultures? Egyptian? I couldn't tell. Which culture in the books has pyramids? I don't even remember. :doge
I wonder what Levantine fans think of this.
One of my biggest problems with the later books is that the world building starts to fall in quality. The Essos locales all feel the same with the exception of Braavos, it's clear he blew his metaphorical load creating Westeros.As a northern European, I'd have a very clear idea of what Westeros looks like even without lavish descriptions. I could fill in gaps or relate anything in the books to real-world examples or other fiction. Anything east of Westeros, meanwhile, is just a mishmash of sandstone, silk and lapis lazuli to me. Anyone inspired by hellenic cultures? Egyptian? I couldn't tell. Which culture in the books has pyramids? I don't even remember. :doge
I wonder what Levantine fans think of this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI7zy1PTMp0"What bad fucking writing fuck"
my boy has my back :ohyeah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI7zy1PTMp0"What bad fucking writing fuck"
my boy has my back :ohyeah
Says the guy who says fuck every 2 words to sound edgy and cool. :lol
I was like 2 years old when FMA came out so I can't really remember the flaws.
Just everything involving Dante and whatnot at the end was so... very... stupid.
I actually don’t remember if it was as stupid as GOT 0803, but I hated it and don’t want to rewatch it to make that comparison.
i loved the original fma but i was 18 at the time
I understand.
There was a point where I thought Independence Day was a good movie.
You, I worry about though, because you still think FF8 was worth a damn.
They’re all from the same orphanage, breh. Unacceptabu!
I can't trust any opinion I formed more than ten years ago on something I haven't re-watched/listened to/read/played since.
When I was younger it was more like five years.
I couldn't make it through either FMA, only went though a handful of episodes of each.
How can people stand "shonen" style shows? I don't get it.
I loved DragonBall as a kid, but now i couldn't watch 2 episodes of a guy explaining their imaginary super moves, because it stretches the narrative so thin.
It wasn't as hilariously insulting as DBZ and the like, in terms of time wasting, but i couldn't really tell the difference all that much.I couldn't make it through either FMA, only went though a handful of episodes of each.
How can people stand "shonen" style shows? I don't get it.
I loved DragonBall as a kid, but now i couldn't watch 2 episodes of a guy explaining their imaginary super moves, because it stretches the narrative so thin.
??? Very odd complaint for FMA. Which doesn’t have the standard shounen formula.
Can we stop talking about anime in the fantasy thread ???
It wasn't as hilariously insulting as DBZ and the like, in terms of time wasting, but i couldn't really tell the difference all that much.I couldn't make it through either FMA, only went though a handful of episodes of each.
How can people stand "shonen" style shows? I don't get it.
I loved DragonBall as a kid, but now i couldn't watch 2 episodes of a guy explaining their imaginary super moves, because it stretches the narrative so thin.
??? Very odd complaint for FMA. Which doesn’t have the standard shounen formula.
I mean, how? The structure of DBZ and FMA are polar opposites. DBZ is heavy on action. FMA is heavy on philosophy and story. FMA has action but it’s not the main means of progressing the plot. The comparison makes no sense.I wasn't trying to directly compare, just offering another example of similar anime i did watch (and it's the closest i could think of) i usually avoid this kind of anime in general, so probably not many other examples i could come up with.
Which is such crap as if the last few seasons have been garbageI haven't read the books, and i still think the quality drop after S4 is obvious.
or something
Book readers really are the fucking worst
They have been crap. Search your heart. You know it's true.
The few good characters have turned into complete shite.
Book readers really are the fucking worst
Book readers really are the fucking worst
easy there, resetera.
Which is such crap as if the last few seasons have been garbage
or something
Book readers really are the fucking worst
Which is such crap as if the last few seasons have been garbage
or something
Book readers really are the fucking worst
The show got 'worse' because many of the more experienced actors have had their characters die on the show. I don't think the writing has changed all that much, except that there's more focus on action than narrative.
Tyrion's actually the character I think improved the most from the books. He's meant to be Westerosi Oscar Wilde but his dialogue's super clunky.
Last couple seasons have been a bit of a waste for him. Peter Dinklage extricating himself from a series of jams >>>> Peter Dinklage giving sincere advice to Emilia Clarke.
I can go on about Book vs Show Tyrion but this about sums it up
https://twitter.com/OneTruePoster/status/1124522499927085056
I can go on about Book vs Show Tyrion but this about sums it up
https://twitter.com/OneTruePoster/status/1124522499927085056
me neither. What I do recall is Cersei being more human and less one dimensional villain in the books.
Those huge ass crossbows are the fucking easiest loading shit ever.
...this bish really gonna blow a 3 dragon lead, isn't she?cersei is the lebron james of westeros :gladbron
Like this dumb biiiaaaatttccchhh already knew that Cersei’s army has dragon piercers. Obviously they’re gonna bunker down and make more of them to defend the capital. What was she expecting going with a handful of ships like a dumbass?
The quality of writing on this show :notlikethis
Night king should have won
Night king should have wonBetween Cersei, NK and Daenerys, is hard to pin point who's most imbecile.
Like this dumb biiiaaaatttccchhh already knew that Cersei’s army has dragon piercers. Obviously they’re gonna bunker down and make more of them to defend the capital. What was she expecting going with a handful of ships like a dumbass?
The quality of writing on this show :notlikethis
...this bish really gonna blow a 3 dragon lead, isn't she?
wow Jamie is a simp :loleuron is all about that simp life too. even if his side wins, his girl is having another man's baby :lol he got cucced by his girlfriend's brother after fighting armies and dragons.
Have Arya parachute via Drogon into King's Landing.She probably has a fast-travel point right in Cersei's bathroom anyway.
Then let her finish her list.
lol they left a starbucks cup on the table in one of the scenes
They really have diverged from the books
Like this dumb biiiaaaatttccchhh already knew that Cersei’s army has dragon piercers. Obviously they’re gonna bunker down and make more of them to defend the capital. What was she expecting going with a handful of ships like a dumbass?
The quality of writing on this show :notlikethis
According to Weiss and Benioff, she "forgot" about Euron's fleet
:neogaf
https://twitter.com/BrownMamba13/status/1125326941656166401
Such a shame Stannis is MIA. Westeros is in dire need of a capable general right now. We will have a bunch of amateurs savagely killing eachother without even a hint of tactics.:hitler
https://twitter.com/dalykyle/status/1125232089421504512
Stannis was the dumbest character.
- Dany torches KL, fulfilling her place as the mad queen.
- Dany torches KL, fulfilling her place as the mad queen.
Missandei's last words make me think we might hear Dany yell "burn them all!" before getting got.
My suggestion on how the show ends.
Jaime goes back to King's Landing. He breaks in and sees Cersei at the top of King's Landing. They kiss passionately then he says "The things I do for love....of the realm!" and grabs Cersei and jumps off the tower with her in his arms. Then on the way down Arya comes out of nowhere and stabs Cersei on the way down, killing her before she hits the ground. Then Arya jumps away and shows up later unscathed looking at the bodies. Fade to black.
by euron or jamie this time? or both at the same time :drool :droolMy suggestion on how the show ends.
Jaime goes back to King's Landing. He breaks in and sees Cersei at the top of King's Landing. They kiss passionately then he says "The things I do for love....of the realm!" and grabs Cersei and jumps off the tower with her in his arms. Then on the way down Arya comes out of nowhere and stabs Cersei on the way down, killing her before she hits the ground. Then Arya jumps away and shows up later unscathed looking at the bodies. Fade to black.
Cersei gets impaled on the Iron Throne. Book it
In any of the various media of Gantz does any of it make sense?the manga makes sense, it's stupid and magical, but it makes sense
It really needs to be said lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/bl9a8p/spoilers_the_sheer_number_of_people_who_cant_read/
TBH how the fuck are you going to end all this in just 2 more episodes? HOW?This is basically GRRM's inner monologue whenever he sits down to write and decides to do something else instead.
TBH how the fuck are you going to end all this in just 2 more episodes? HOW?
arya steals jamie's face and then bangs out cersei, decides to say "fuck it" and they murder those northern bums and dragon broad and then rule together for the rest of timeif the show wasn't so racist cersei would have a BBC daddy :maf
Also, "I couldn't love him.....not the way I love you." :neogaf
TBH how the fuck are you going to end all this in just 2 more episodes? HOW?
Also, "I couldn't love him.....not the way I love you."
Who said this again?
Arya must've not taken it well, the way she noped out of Winterfell.
It makes sense to cut away to create a bit of suspense, but it's potentially an emotional scene besides just being a plot point. I think it's fair that people would want to see a scene like that, with characters they've gotten attached to and who have a history with each other.
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I can't believe this is the trash they gave us with two years to plan for it.
I can't believe this is the trash they gave us with two years to plan for it.
Welcome to almost all TV shows ever.
Stannis was the dumbest character.ned putting promises made to characters who are long since dead above the well being of characters who are still alive is pretty up there
Also, have we already talked about the “if I wasn’t raped and tortured I never would’ve learned the real meaning of being a woman” spiel from Sansa?
Also, have we already talked about the “if I wasn’t raped and tortured I never would’ve learned the real meaning of being a woman” spiel from Sansa?1) no, because that's not really what she's saying
EPISODE 5:
*Gendry arrives at Storms End*
"Hello everyone, I'm the new lord of Storms End"
"... are you now son?"
"UNCLE STANNIS!? You are alive!"
"You can be lord of this castle once I take the Iron Throne which is mine by right!"
*Stannis heads to the Vale*
"Who do you want to be king boy, a Stark, a dragon lady, a Lannister? They killed your only family."
"Take me knights Mr. Stannisss"
"Take my grammar lessons boy"
*Stannis and his army and knights of the Vale head for Kings Landing*
"Jon Stark?, what is the meaning of this!"
"I made an oath to my queen. We will charge this castle head on and kill everyone inside because one of her advisors got killed and she flew too close to a massive crossbow fleet with her dragons"
"Are you stupid boy? Where are the archers, the catapults the enemy is right in front of us standing in front of their castle?!"
"I'm glad you are back Lord Stannis. We all thought you were dead. We could really use a capable commander to lead us in this battle"
"Come on Lord Davos, let's finish this"
*Stannis and his forces attack Kings Landing and are instantly defeated by the Golden Company*
*Stannis escapes the battle*
"NEXT TIME IRON THRONE, NEXT TIME!!...."
no, because that's not really what she's saying
None of it would have happened if you'd left King's Landing with me. No Littlefinger, no Ramsay none of it.if I wasn’t abused -> I wouldntve matured. what else could she be really saying? Also, not objecting to having characters say wrong things, that would be really stupid. Not being able to point out when characters say wrong things would also be really stupid.
Without Littlefinger, and Ramsay and the rest, I would have stayed a Little Bird all my life.
She's saying if she had been sheltered from hardships she would have remained sheltered and not evolve and grow, not rape specifically. Seems like you are trying to frame it in a specific way to stir controversy.That's what I got from it too. She meant her entire ordeal from trusting the wrong people to nearly being killed by the army of the dead.
Read some shitty clickbait that Tyrion might be a secret Targ? :lolThey've been sort of hinting at it with his interactions with the dragons.
I doubt dragons reproduce asexually brehDany's already dating her nephew. Why not her dragon son?
This show is already dumb. A drunk dwarf riding a dragon would make sense at this point.
They blew millions on these dragons, better make the most of them. Maybe Drogon can lay some eggs for the dragon queen to hatch.
(http://media.giphy.com/media/TruuyA1AwOxGw/giphy.gif)no, because that's not really what she's sayingQuoteNone of it would have happened if you'd left King's Landing with me. No Littlefinger, no Ramsay none of it.if I wasn’t abused -> I wouldntve matured. what else could she be really saying? Also, not objecting to having characters say wrong things, that would be really stupid. Not being able to point out when characters say wrong things would also be really stupid.
Without Littlefinger, and Ramsay and the rest, I would have stayed a Little Bird all my life.
This show is already dumb. A drunk dwarf riding a dragon would make sense at this point.
They blew millions on these dragons, better make the most of them. Maybe Drogon can lay some eggs for the dragon queen to hatch.
At one point in time book readers assumed there would be three Dragon riders: Dany, Tyrion, and Bran warging the third dragon. Some thought Jon would also be a dragon rider.
Killing her dragons has also killed the theory but again, books != show.
It’s important to note that the raven tells Bran he will never walk again but he will fly. In many cases I took this as literal in that he would warg a dragon and help Dany fight the war of the undead despite being crippled. But nope. I also wasn’t alone in thinking this.
This show is already dumb. A drunk dwarf riding a dragon would make sense at this point.
They blew millions on these dragons, better make the most of them. Maybe Drogon can lay some eggs for the dragon queen to hatch.
At one point in time book readers assumed there would be three Dragon riders: Dany, Tyrion, and Bran warging the third dragon. Some thought Jon would also be a dragon rider.
Killing her dragons has also killed the theory but again, books != show.
It’s important to note that the raven tells Bran he will never walk again but he will fly. In many cases I took this as literal in that he would warg a dragon and help Dany fight the war of the undead despite being crippled. But nope. I also wasn’t alone in thinking this.
It was literal... he wargs into ravens all the time :confused
Read some shitty clickbait that Tyrion might be a secret Targ? :lol
There are apparently some leaks about eps 5 and 6 floating around Reddit.
If they are true, then George has some serious re-writing to do.
More importantly, Davos is the onion knight. The man who refused to let a city starve by famine/starvation so he smuggled onions and fish in to keep the average, ordinary people alive.Holy shit, you're right. They sort of numb you with the flashy dragons but it is all smoke and mirrors now.
Davos, a man of low birth, from flea bottom, cares about how the small, average people are affected by war. It’s in his title. Onion Knight.
Let’s talk about a plan to starve out an entire city - Davos’ Home town of King’s landing - in his face and he will just go perfectly along with it without raising objection.
Ya'll are obsessed; the episode kinda sucked.. move on with yo' lives until the next episode lol
This message is for the entire fucking internet not just The Bore.. Jesus never seen so much whining.
"They kinda forgot their elephants"
mfw Qyburn bulids a tank.
Ya'll are obsessed; the episode kinda sucked.. move on with yo' lives until the next episode lol
This message is for the entire fucking internet not just The Bore.. Jesus never seen so much whining.
What do you all think of Dany = being the mad queen?
Here's where I think it has merit:
- Dany feels owed the crown
- she has witnessed and committed horrific acts of violence. For one, she instigated her brothers murder by toppling hot melted gold on his head. In the books and also in the show, we have sympathy towards Dany here because he always treated her like crap. But even if Viserys was a dick, when you look outside of her perspective it's till a woman executing her own brother. We think Michael Corleone is a monster by the end of Godfather II for doing similar and compared to say, Tyrion, who had a retributive reason for killing his father, Dany kills Viserys because she views him as a threat to her crown. Even Michael isn't there when Fredo get killed. Dany however revels in Viserys' murder.
- She crucified those who defied her in Essos, she has been about fire brimstone. From her perspective, she dolled out rightful justice. But outside of her perspective we see someone who throws those who defy her to their death.
- she is obsessed from almost the start with gaining what is "rightfully" hers, a place she has never been to and cannot remember. A place where she is a foreigner.
- Time and time again she shown complete cruelty while arguing that she is freeing those from captivity.
Daenerys Stormborn is already a conqueror. What most seem to disagree on is the definition of "mad". Some think it means crazy. Others think burning people alive just for not bending the knee counts as mad. Others, just merely totalitarian.
The show continuously shows the differences in the ruling methods between Jon and Daenerys.
- When Jon is revived and orders the people who killed him to be executed, he can barely look at them. He doesn't relish in delight at their pain and these are people who literally killed him.
- has the rightful birth right to the throne, doesn't want it
- Dany gets others to follow her by conquest and a show of might. Jon does so through putting his ass on the line multiple times.
- Jon had a home of Winterfell but took up the black. Jon knows where his home is and leaves it repeatedly because of circumstance or of higher duty. Dany doesn't even have a home but wants what she feels is "rightfully" hers.
So what are your thoughts? Is Dany mad? Will she become mad or is she already?
I expect her to toast Varys once he's lost any belief in her and reveals publicly Jon's lineage.
it does run in the family and she certainly doesn't seem like the most stable individual
lol just unplug your brain
didn't Varys outright state last episode that he's afraid of her mad queen tendencies? The show is very clearly setting her up as one of the final bads to overcome.
didn't Varys outright state last episode that he's afraid of her mad queen tendencies? The show is very clearly setting her up as one of the final bads to overcome.
I know. But many are like,”DANY IS MAD FOR A REASON, THEY JUST KILLED HER DRAGON AND MISSANDEI AND I DONT BUY THAT SHE’S MAD”. People are really defensive of her.
Really surprised this long awaited season isn't measuring up to unattainable expectations. :dogeYeah after 3 shitty seasons, i had such high expectations!
didn't Varys outright state last episode that he's afraid of her mad queen tendencies? The show is very clearly setting her up as one of the final bads to overcome.
I know. But many are like,”DANY IS MAD FOR A REASON, THEY JUST KILLED HER DRAGON AND MISSANDEI AND I DONT BUY THAT SHE’S MAD”. People are really defensive of her.
I don't blame them tbh. Throughout the seasons they set her up as a messianic figure who is destined to lead and liberate. Although they peppered in examples of her being cruel, I could see people handwave that away as appropriate for the time period they are in. After all, the show literally opened with Ned executing some poor schlub, and Ned was painted as the paragon of virtue.
Idk, I felt kind of bad for Dany when everyone was celebrating and praising Jon Snow and she had to sit there dejected. She does have some negative traits and does feel entitled, but on the other hand she did have a pretty rough life and she does love Jon and Missandei. She risked her life multiple times and she risked her life saving Jon and had no regrets losing her dragon to save his ass.
The point is, Dany does cruel acts. Like I said in my original post, when you look from her perspective crucifying slave masters and shit is justice but when you look outside of it, it starts to look real loony.Seems pretty standard stuff for medieval times. :yeshrug
Let's see how the show plays it out. Hopefully it's satisfactory, bare minimum.
Ned's the one who stripped Jorah of his lands and banished him for slave trade, no?
What do you all think of Dany = being the mad queen?
Here's where I think it has merit:
- Dany feels owed the crown
- she has witnessed and committed horrific acts of violence. For one, she instigated her brothers murder by toppling hot melted gold on his head. In the books and also in the show, we have sympathy towards Dany here because he always treated her like crap. But even if Viserys was a dick, when you look outside of her perspective it's till a woman executing her own brother. We think Michael Corleone is a monster by the end of Godfather II for doing similar and compared to say, Tyrion, who had a retributive reason for killing his father, Dany kills Viserys because she views him as a threat to her crown. Even Michael isn't there when Fredo get killed. Dany however revels in Viserys' murder.
- She crucified those who defied her in Essos, she has been about fire brimstone. From her perspective, she dolled out rightful justice. But outside of her perspective we see someone who throws those who defy her to their death.
- she is obsessed from almost the start with gaining what is "rightfully" hers, a place she has never been to and cannot remember. A place where she is a foreigner.
- Time and time again she shown complete cruelty while arguing that she is freeing those from captivity.
Daenerys Stormborn is already a conqueror. What most seem to disagree on is the definition of "mad". Some think it means crazy. Others think burning people alive just for not bending the knee counts as mad. Others, just merely totalitarian.
The show continuously shows the differences in the ruling methods between Jon and Daenerys.
- When Jon is revived and orders the people who killed him to be executed, he can barely look at them. He doesn't relish in delight at their pain and these are people who literally killed him.
- has the rightful birth right to the throne, doesn't want it
- Dany gets others to follow her by conquest and a show of might. Jon does so through putting his ass on the line multiple times.
- Jon had a home of Winterfell but took up the black. Jon knows where his home is and leaves it repeatedly because of circumstance or of higher duty. Dany doesn't even have a home but wants what she feels is "rightfully" hers.
So what are your thoughts? Is Dany mad? Will she become mad or is she already?
I expect her to toast Varys once he's lost any belief in her and reveals publicly Jon's lineage.
Ned was such a centrist.
Robert was right about everything. He wanted Dany dead because she would cross the narrow sea.
Dany would've never brought her dragons and the dead dragon couldn't have brought down the wall.
Robert was the last strong and capable leader of Westeros.
Robert: "Kill Dany"Ned was such a centrist.
Robert was right about everything. He wanted Dany dead because she would cross the narrow sea.
Dany would've never brought her dragons and the dead dragon couldn't have brought down the wall.
Robert was the last strong and capable leader of Westeros.
Robert was a terrible ruler.
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Your GoT political opinions really are as bad as your real political opinions :lol
Robert did nothing but get laid, get drunk, and get fat. Ned, his hand, practically acted as king during his tenure as the position.
So it seems D&D want nothing more to do with GoT. HBO offered them to do this right: two more seasons full length 10 episodes a piece. D&D are bored with it and decided they want out. So there's a blessing in that future GoT adaptations on HBO won't have ANYTHING to do with D&D.
They should have just replaced the showrunners instead of moving forward with this disaster.
So it seems D&D want nothing more to do with GoT. HBO offered them to do this right: two more seasons full length 10 episodes a piece. D&D are bored with it and decided they want out. So there's a blessing in that future GoT adaptations on HBO won't have ANYTHING to do with D&D.
Someone post some memes this convo has run it's course lol
This wasn't an unplug your brain show until recently, despite Benioff and Weiss' best efforts to dumb things down. If it had been an unplug your brain show from the beginning, a lot of us wouldn't have watched it past the first few episodes.
So a lot of us aren't content to just watch it like it's Transformers.
So it seems D&D want nothing more to do with GoT. HBO offered them to do this right: two more seasons full length 10 episodes a piece. D&D are bored with it and decided they want out. So there's a blessing in that future GoT adaptations on HBO won't have ANYTHING to do with D&D.
For real? Source?
The lord of light is the only god that showed up.
If it was a good show the loser virgin Stannis would have called for an Imperial Diet and we would have had one season of interpreting law whether he was the legitimate king according to the law of westeros. :aah
https://youtu.be/ahoHDU0T44I
QuoteAs Morion’s fleet beat its way across the Sea of Dorne, the dragons Vermithor, Caraxes, and Vhagar fell on them from out of the clouds. Shouts rang out, and the Dornish filled the air with scorpion bolts, but firing at a dragon is one thing, and killing it quite another. A few bolts glanced off the scales of the dragons, and one punched through Vhagar’s wing, but none of them found any vulnerable spots as the dragons swooped and banked and loosed great blasts of fire. One by one the ships went up in gouts of flame.
The shot that killed Meraxes was a miracle fluke, hitting the dragon in one of the creature’s very few weak spots, and the Dornish were never so lucky again, even with scores of scorpions in their armada.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/deliacai/game-of-thrones-theory-baby-dragons
Nintex
I mean.. secret dragons Dany doesn't know about?
Would be rad.. and hell I personally wouldn't care even if she did know and did a "surprise"... but if that happens and you guys don't cry about how little that make sense for a week straight I'm gonna call shenanigans.
I mean.. secret dragons Dany doesn't know about?book Euron had a dragon egg at one point so I guess there's a chance they could use that to justify an asspull dragon
Would be rad.. and hell I personally wouldn't care even if she did know and did a "surprise"... but if that happens and you guys don't cry about how little that make sense for a week straight I'm gonna call shenanigans.
I like how all the things that would make it more interesting are no longer in the show.Implying we don't already know that, after killing Jon, Dany and Cersei, Arya will remove her "face" to reveal Jaquen's.
- The return of Stannis
- A role for the Faceless
- Littlefinger still being alive
- More than 1 dragon
I'm hoping that the writers tried to pull a fast one on us and made ep 4 a little meh to make up for it in a stunning finale.
But I'm worried they won't. :-\
:crybaby
i hope dragons become so commonplace by the end of the next episode that they're used as domestic tools and menial labour like in the flintstones.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/deliacai/game-of-thrones-theory-baby-dragons
Nintex
If I'll never have to see or hear anyone bitch about GoT again I'd be happy
Talk about a bunch of babies :lol come on man
Yeah as if I havent seen those actor reactions yet..
That doesn't mean I need to see 20 year old men whine about it constantly. Holy shit
Easy clickbait :lol
Best season ever!
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That doesn't mean I need to see 20 year old men whine about it constantly. Holy shit
That doesn't mean I need to see 20 year old men whine about it constantly. Holy shit
*insert MMARSAS comment about not buying the next Epic Game Store exclusive*
how bad is it?
how bad is it?spoiler (click to show/hide)Nintex could have written a better conclusion.[close]
no way in hell rioutous sr is happy with this season :-[
[spiler=an unexpected visit]"Speak boy, where is Jon Snow. Where is the army of Winterfell?":o
Bran: "They've moved south"
"Could we be too late sir?"
"It doesn't matter. Bend the knee to the rightful king or die. We don't have much time."
"I don't bend anymore"
"Set his wheelchair on fire and don't bother getting him out of it. The Lord of Light shall enjoy this sacrifice. Take whatever supplies are left and move our armies south at once!"
[/spoiler]
[spoilr=The end of Euron]"Are you the King slayer? Not much of a fighter are you!"
"I will kill you Euron"
"Would you really kill the father of your unborn nephew Kingslayer? I FUCKED YOUR SISTER GOOD HAHAHAH"
"Your baby? I fucked Cersei every day and gave her all her children. Including the one she's carrying now. We have a special bond"
*Euron vomits, allowing Jaime to stab him*[/spoiler]
[spoile=The Throne]After the Dothraki, dragons and unsullied sack Kings Landing the Queen takes her throne.
"Thank you lord Varys"
"You're welcome my queen"
"Lord Tyrion, you hereby stand accused of treason. Lord Varys told me about your plan to make Jon Snow king instead of me."
"But it was Varys who..."
"Silence traitor, guards bring him to the dragon pit! He will stand trial by FIRE"
"Lord Varys, send ravens to all the lords and ladies. They must come to Kings Landing to bend the knee or die"
"Yes my queen, I will tell this news to Lord Snow myself, he's still camped outside the City walls defending us from the rear"[/spoiler]
[spoilr=The Return of the King]?: "I TOLD YOU SUCKERS ABOUT THE DOTHRAKI HORDE AND THE DRAGON BITCH DIDN'T I!?"
Jon: "King Robert? But you were dead?"
"YOU DON'T HAVE THEIR NAME BUT YOU ARE AS DUMB AS A STARK BOY HAHAHAHA"
"Bend the knee to King Robert or perish Jon Snow. We only ask once."
Davos: "Lord Stannis, King Robert... what how?"
"I knew a war was coming... I told everyone. None believed me. So I started my own plan."
"First I had to find a body double but none shared my physique so I became incredibly fat. I kept eating until I looked just like a beggar I had seen on the streets of Kings Landing"[/spoiler]
[spoilr=The end?]Jon: "But Robert, Daenerys Targaryen is inside Kings Landing with her dragons. She has claimed the throne and a Dothraki horde is sacking the city"
"DAMN YOU FOOLS. I WARNED YOU DIDN'T I!"
Stannis: "Don't worry Jon all is taken care of"
Baelish: "The fuse is set my lord. All the remaining Wildfire has been placed under the dragon pit and spread across the city sewers"
Jon: "What of Qyburn?"
Baelish: "Strapped to a barrel!"[/spoiler]
[spoier=Trial by fire]"Lord Tyrion how do you plead?"
"Please my queen, please I didn't mean to. I never wanted to betray you it was Varys!"
"Silence IMP. I should've done this many nights ago"
"DRACARYS"
*Drogon's fire ignites a massive stash of Wildfire and Kings Landing explodes*
[/spoiler]
FIN
[spoier=I can't believe Tywin isn't dead]:omg
"You know I'd come back for you my daughter"
"A father would never leave his child to fight both Wolves and Dragons alone, now where is Tyrion?"
"Outside, fighting for the dragon queen daddy"
"MADNESS, MADNESS AND TREASON"
"You get back inside the castle NOW young man'
"But father I'm the hand of the Dragon Queen..."
"You're nothing of the sort. Now get back inside before I whip you"
"Yes father"
"You can't take my loyal advisor!"
"And who are you supposed to be?"
"The Dragon Queen?"
"Have you ever slaughtered a pig girl?"
"You grab it by the head, you cut it open until the brains leak out. Then you pick a second knife and proceed to remove its skin"
"Eeewww"
"And you think you can rule? Leave Kings Landing with your pets before I lose my temper"
"Jon Snow. How many times do you northern fools ride South"
"Well sir... I"
"Don't sir me son. Now go back to the North and tell them the war is over. I've got no interest in fighting you animals a second time and I have killed enough of your family already"
".. and don't think I don't see your sister sneaking about. Did you really think I wouldn't see you coming with your stupid masks? When you take a mask from someone who's dead. IT SMELLS"
"But I guess you people from the North can't smell the difference between your own filth and dwellings and a decaying face now can you?"
[/spoiler]
Stro annihilating Cindi in the Digital Realm :rejoice
The way she treated Jon just bugged me too much.
But she’s a Tully if you count Sansa as a stark, and if you count Cate as a Stark then Sansa is a Bolton.
She’s had Stark dick in her but Jon has Stark blood, not fair to include her and not him at the very least.
Nothing Catelyn did had any effect on the empathy or respect I had for her, and I believe once the war fully started she was the smartest person on both sides -- even Tywin admits to being bested by the Northern army multiple times, and I attribute that to her more than anyone. Certainly more than Robb.
She was dealt a shit hand, did the best she could to keep her family together, failed, and died for it. But sure, shit over her because she has an understandable reaction to the thought of her husband cheating and acted hastily after two direct attempts on her child's life. :badass
That's all I really have to say about it.
Same. Tasty probably has a healthy relationship with his mother.
Remember, it was Catelyn's idea to send Jon to Castle Black.
Eh, but that's one of the good things about the books and (earlier) show. She's certainly not a perfect person but not a bad person either. So I can see why you like her.
If you want real fuckery set in Medieval Europe, you should read about the German throne dispute from 1198. :expert
The writing is also better. :smug
Cat and Robb were both dumb.
They would've never been able to siege Kings Landing with the forces they had at their disposal.
Their ill fated expedition could've only ended in failure.
Sansa fucking sucks.
Sansa fucking sucks.
She's the goddamn dark phoenix you fuck
Remember, it was Catelyn's idea to send Jon to Castle Black.
Eh, but that's one of the good things about the books and (earlier) show. She's certainly not a perfect person but not a bad person either. So I can see why you like her.
Yeah! The first half of the show is filled with characters like that. And it knows how to play with it to, shifting darker characters into the light and vice versa.
Leave the belligerent schtick to Stro, he wears it better.
Sansa fucking sucks.
Leave the belligerent schtick to Stro, he wears it better.
Bitch I was getting drunk and randomly belligerent on this forum before your bitch-ass had even heard of it
PS- Who is "Stro"?
The Starks kidnapped Tyrion and in response Tywin had invaded the Riverlands.Cat and Robb were both dumb.
They would've never been able to siege Kings Landing with the forces they had at their disposal.
Their ill fated expedition could've only ended in failure.
If it was just Cat leading things, it probably would have ended in a Vietnam situation where the Lannister's just say fuck it and pull out and the North rules themselves, which is what they eventually ended up wanting anyways.
Biggest loser virgin: Stannis, Ned, Robb or Margaery?Stannis made it as far as the wall of Kings Landing.
Cersei is going to die next episode.Book it.
Haven't read any of these alleged leaks.
Yes. Which season was it when she blow'd eveyrone up? 6? Hated her guts before that, but the High Sparrow was a fucking d-bag and when did that shit.. respect.
:obama
Of course, she'd have been completely fucked without Qyburn, so give him credit.
Margaery was my fav. She was willing to have a threesome with her gay husband and brother... for the REALM.
:'(
If you frame it that way, most characters on the show are kind of useless. The Sparrow movement kind of came out of nowhere, they also giant daded Cersei who was fucked without Qyburn. In the books she is still giant daded.
Craziest character? Lysa Arryn for me easily.
Raping Littlefinger was the icing on the cake with her. Jesus Christ.
Craziest character? Lysa Arryn for me easily.
Raping Littlefinger was the icing on the cake with her. Jesus Christ.
Don't remember that. She raped him? She had tig ol bitties.
Don't remember that. She raped him? She had tig ol bitties.
Sansa is my version of Cindi's Jaime. Fucking hated the bitch in the first half, found her plotlines annoying and plodding around for a few seasons, but now... yeah, go get 'em girl.
For the majority of her scenes lately, Sansa is the one talking the most sense in the room.
Which may speak to the quality of the show, but ignoring that...
Don't remember that. She raped him? She had tig ol bitties.
https://youtu.be/3uDuwD7sSzo
The Bire:
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you two sluts can milk my hog!
you two sluts can milk my hog!
Ranking the Starks is like ranking what STI you'd like to be infected with. Fuck that god awful house of epic fail guys, girls, and nonbinary persons.
For the majority of her scenes lately, Sansa is the one talking the most sense in the room.
Which may speak to the quality of the show, but ignoring that...
HOLY SHIT.A lot of the fan theories about characters returning and hidden affections make sense if we had another 2 seasons to go to develop them.
https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/bngep0/spoilers_extended_sansa_is_jealous_jon_is/
This theory is :mindblown
oh by the way since we are gonna trash Robb but no one is gonna keep it real about Catelyn.. She caused teh whole war between Starks and Lannisters by taking Tyrion prisoner. Then she let Jaime go. She was as big of a fool as Robb.
:neogaf
At least Robb was a promising general and was overall likable and not a cunt to his adopted bastard brother.
For the majority of her scenes lately, Sansa is the one talking the most sense in the room.
Which may speak to the quality of the show, but ignoring that...
My version of "why did they have the dothraki charge straight at the army of the dead?" is "why does Daenerys keep having passive aggressive interactions with Sansa instead of getting their advisors together and hammering out the minutiae of an agreement for a technically subordinate but semiautonomous North?"
I know what the people want.
my b, chiefs, I didn't see anyone mention letting Jaime go. My apologies if you did.
I rate Rickon the lowest because he was just useless
Giant daded?
when did the mods change "made into a giant dad" to "giant daded?" sometimes I think they have too much time on their hands
"made into a giant dad" was the only good word filter :maf
At this point it wouldn't surprise me if they went with an "everything was just a dream" ending.
Lol that sucked but whatever, show is trash now. At least there's only one episode left. D&D over here like
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Lol that sucked but whatever, show is trash now. At least there's only one episode left. D&D over here like
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Never thought I'd see you post a screenshot from Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.
Semi related, is the game of thrones telltale game any good?
Suck it book wankers.
I liked it if only because I've basically given up on the show and this episode was really well directed and produced. Huge step up from the amateur hour last week.
Only the Cleganebowl worked as an actual payoff for 8 seasons of following a character - nothing else did made a lick of sense.
I liked it if only because I've basically given up on the show and this episode was really well directed and produced. Huge step up from the amateur hour last week.
Only the Cleganebowl worked as an actual payoff for 8 seasons of following a character - nothing else did made a lick of sense.
Yeah man, my standards were so low that this was just firing on all cylinders in terms of direction, cinematography, editing, music. As a stand alone it was actually great shit. I also liked that it felt like GoT again where there are no "bad guys" and "good guys" just...guys, gals, and non binary wargs. I think that while the mad queen turn has been sort of clumsy, it was extremely well executed this episode.
The use of fire as symbolism in the early episode was :delicious
Like, this was amazing direction in terms of themes, symbolism and the whole shebang.
It doesn't get more mustache-twirling evil than the bullshit we just watched.
And the whiplash of the face heel turn here is worse than in the Star Wars prequels... which is one of the weakest parts of a movie series entirely about that, and a pretty low bar to set...
Suck it book wankers.
Your crusade against GURM backfiring as this season gets memed to death and Winds being more anticipated than ever :rejoice
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:whew
I wonder how many people made the high ground joke, I sure did.
That was it. That was the scouring of the shire that GRRM intended to end with. Some of it didn't make complete sense because the way we got there was very different to how the books will get there, but that was GRRM's ending for sure. Although he will likely change it now (that's assuming he ever finishes the books).
The Northmen who we assumed as the good guys are rapists. The unsullied who we assumed are the liberators kill unarmed people. Danerys who we assumed would be free of the curse of Targaryen genes is a mad queen. Cleganebowl results in Sandor dying by (a fall into) fire, his worst fear. GRRM wasn't subverting our expectations like D&D tried to in the rest of season 8, but he did want to twist a knife into our guts with a cruel reminder that in the world of ice and fire, there are no good guys and bad guys.
Episode 5 may be inconsistent with the rest of season 8, but that's because the show writers didn't follow all the steps in getting there. But as a book reader I'm convinced that generally speaking that was how George wanted this story to end. GRRM himself stated the show's ending will be pretty damn similar to his own based on everything he told D&D.
I will now be downvoted to oblivion.
EDIT: as someone who disliked season 7 and the rest of season 8, I actually really really enjoyed this episode. To me it felt like a return to form, because it was based off of source material again. Was it perfect? No. It's the show. But it was pretty great if you ask me. I want to emphasize that obviously because the show has made so many differences, it won't be EXACTLY like that in the books. But I think the general themes are all there for sure.
I'm 100% with you. I've really disliked seasons 6-8... Until this episode. This made it click for me. This GRR's ending.
He's subverting your expectations by letting history play out exactly as it always has. Nothing has changed. What we witnessed is the rise of a tyrant: you root for them, you love them, you empathize with them, you watch in awe as she conquers for after foe. And then you see it. You see what's happening.
There's no Sauron, no orcs, no evil wizards or ultimate evils. The whole point of the Night King being such a dud villain (I think) was to show what GRR had said before: the real monsters are humans.
The final villain of the series is not Cersei or Littlefinger or Euron: it's Dany. Honestly looking back, how else could this shake out? "Have you ever seen a war where innocents didn't die by the thousands?"
Game of Thrones is Return of the King, but portraying what it actually looks like when "kings" come back to claim their "rightful" place. It's not orcs vs. men, it's men vs. men.
It's what GRR's story was always about.
I'll give credit where it's due. The scenes of Arya, Jon and others witnessing the massacre from street-level were suitably horrific. It really rammed home that this is a story that isn't supposed to be about glorifying warfare, and never has been. If I'd seen them in total isolation from what led up to them, they would have been incredibly powerful.
lol the writing is so cheap. They had to explain Dany's heel turn with Targaryan coin flip math. Magic giant crossbows can't miss one episode, completely useless the next. These fuckers just do whatever they want to force square pegs into a round hole.
:neogaf
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Also, the sack of the city was pretty well done, they even ramped up the gore to show - hey guess what, this war shit sucks and there are no good guys - just innocents who suffer. Also, modern allegories with fire bombing, etc. It just feels so off-putting when the good guys commit war crimes huh? Episode 3 felt like a mid tier fantasy movie, while this one came as close to ASOIAF depiction of war as you can get.
But holy hell, Euron's last words were basically "I got you bro" before dying
Jaimie and Cersei going out like that was...okay I guess
Dany just laying waste to those scorpions while they were able to take out a dragon sucked shit. There was no reason to kill Rhaegal last episode tbh, would have created more tension and a more believable reaction for Dany's heel turn if they did it during this one. I guess the CGI budget and the writers thinking "Hey, why isn't Jon riding when it was established that he could" prevented them from going through with it.
Oh and the spoilers I read were completely correct.
So were the spoilers accurate so far El Babua?
when she finds out that he freed Jaime. She warned him he's skating on thin ice.
yea, that's the only way. But the way it's been lately, no one is safe. I think she's taking out a couple more people before they off her.
Sacking the entire city would have been normal in warfare all the way up until the Renaissance period. If you surrendered immediately the denizens would go largely unmolested but if you resisted because you calculated you could hold out until reinforcements arrived every person in the city would have been considered an enemy combatant.
Would love to see Dany get spitroasted :droolShe would have had the same expression the whole time. :goty2
Jon seeing his men fall to the barbarism of mankind committing every sin imaginable after trying to rally against an inhuman enemy for two-three seasons was POWERFUL to me. Here's this guy who has been saying,"the Night King will be the end of us" and nope, humanity is.
Jon seeing his men fall to the barbarism of mankind committing every sin imaginable after trying to rally against an inhuman enemy for two-three seasons was POWERFUL to me. Here's this guy who has been saying,"the Night King will be the end of us" and nope, humanity is.
It makes sense thematically too... the Night King was just some dude, who only came into existence cause dudes were fucking the world up.
And here we see that even post-NK, humanity has learned nothing since The Long Night.
Remember when Dany said she’d raze astapor and that other place to the ground and it was Tyrion that had to convince that wasn’t a good idea?
Whoever thinks this was headed towards a good ending hasn’t been paying attention. Full stop.
Remember when Dany said she’d raze astapor and that other place to the ground and it was Tyrion that had to convince that wasn’t a good idea?
Whoever thinks this was headed towards a good ending hasn’t been paying attention. Full stop.
Remember when Dany said she’d raze astapor and that other place to the ground and it was Tyrion that had to convince that wasn’t a good idea?
Whoever thinks this was headed towards a good ending hasn’t been paying attention. Full stop.
But but but I named my daughter Khaleesi
Here look at this
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/game-thrones-final-season-backlash-female-characters-daenerys-targaryen-twitter-reactions-1210005
Here look at this
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/game-thrones-final-season-backlash-female-characters-daenerys-targaryen-twitter-reactions-1210005
:lol
https://www.twitter.com/meganeellison/status/1127775511432847360
Anyone familiar with George’s work KNOWS that this is his ending.
Feminists rage quitting because of this is too hilarious to me.
Man the fall of Danny is :lawd so many people named their jizz bubbles after an unstable, damaged, and power hungry character with no foresight. It was the clear trajectory in the book as time went on.
Here look at this
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/game-thrones-final-season-backlash-female-characters-daenerys-targaryen-twitter-reactions-1210005
:lol
https://www.twitter.com/meganeellison/status/1127775511432847360
Anyone familiar with George’s work KNOWS that this is his ending.
Feminists rage quitting because of this is too hilarious to me.
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nobody should enjoy prog rock
nobody should enjoy prog rock
umm, that's how YOU sound so throwing that back at me is ???
I want you all to enjoy things though.
Man the fall of Danny is :lawd so many people named their jizz bubbles after an unstable, damaged, and power hungry character with no foresight. It was the clear trajectory in the book as time went on.
Man the fall of Danny is :lawd so many people named their jizz bubbles after an unstable, damaged, and power hungry character with no foresight. It was the clear trajectory in the book as time went on.
My parents named me for an ethnic cleanser and it suddenly doesn't seem so bad.
Listen to me riotous. I said LOOK at me.world record for gaslighting
The only thing that made me roll my eyes was Cersi saying to Jaime, " :'( I don't want to die. :'(" ::)
I really thought they'd end up doing something interesting with Qyburn or show some other side of him but nope. Swatted like a fly.
It's a better strategy at this point.I really thought they'd end up doing something interesting with Qyburn or show some other side of him but nope. Swatted like a fly.
Not enough time, episodes or care left in Benihoff and Weiss. Dany burning down the city was an allegory for how the writers are ending the show.
where my nicca podrick at ???
Good episode
Lol@people hating they didnt get what they wanted
Canr wait for final two episodes
Qyburn getting fucked like he had a 1hp max
where my nicca podrick at ???
Podrick is present at the lighting of the funeral pyres for all who fell during the batlle, and during the celebration feast afterwards he ends up at a table with Brienne, Tormund, and Tyrion. As the latter three get involved in Tyrion's favourite dirinkng game, Pod catches the eye of two young Winterfell women, and is seen walking arm-in-arm with them out of the great hall.
I think most people’s issues arnt the plot points but how rushed it feels to get there
https://twitter.com/dsilvermint/status/1125856091261136896?s=21
People reacting with anger over Dany like it hasn't been foreshadowed since the very beginning are baffling me today.Yup.
People reacting with anger over Dany like it hasn't been foreshadowed since the very beginning are baffling me today.Yup.
She was threatening to burn cities to the ground or "turn them to dust" going all the way back to Season 2. :lol A lot of viewers were willing to overlook and justify her burning people alive or crucifying slavers when they felt it was for the Greater Good.
People reacting with anger over Dany like it hasn't been foreshadowed since the very beginning are baffling me today.Yup.
She was threatening to burn cities to the ground or "turn them to dust" going all the way back to Season 2. :lol A lot of viewers were willing to overlook and justify her burning people alive or crucifying slavers when they felt it was for the Greater Good.
This was a well written episode and didn't have any problems. I can't wait to see the conclusion to this season which hasn't suffered at all from fanfiction tier plots.I too look forward to the conclusion of this most excellently written series. Never seen a series be on this long and not dip in quality comrade
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let's not act like the majority of fans were Dany fans. Maybe it's more true for show only people. She had a following, but she's had tons of detractors in most communities.
People reacting with anger over Dany like it hasn't been foreshadowed since the very beginning are baffling me today.Yup.
She was threatening to burn cities to the ground or "turn them to dust" going all the way back to Season 2. :lol A lot of viewers were willing to overlook and justify her burning people alive or crucifying slavers when they felt it was for the Greater Good.
let's not act like the majority of fans were Dany fans. Maybe it's more true for show only people. She had a following, but she's had tons of detractors in most communities.
I agree. But I still like the way this story is heading in the books.
I think the show has highlighted her good side far more than George’s books which adds to last nights horror.
see you guys at the premier of the netflix willow remake tv show
Baretheon ruleAlso incest.
- Wine
- Peace
- Joust
Stark rule
- Cold
- Hunger
- Rebellion
Lannister rule
- War
- Debt
- Incest
Targaryen rule
- Genocide
:clap
Ian McElhinney (Barristan Selmy) saying that GRRM has already finished book 6 and 7, but struck an agreement with D&D to not publish them until the show is done: Starts at 31:40
:idont
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeftoI3c81c
All of the foreshadowing that lead up to last night's episode.
• 106 - Viserys, after seeing how much the Dothraki love Daenerys, becomes jealous and tries to run away saying “Who can rule without wealth or fear of love.” (Daenerys well echo this sentiment in 804 and 805)
• 204 – Daenerys “When my dragons are grown… we will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground.”
• 206 – Daenerys “I will take what is mine with fire and blood.”
• 207 - Cersei Lannister “Half the Targaryens went mad, didn't they? What's the saying? "Every time a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin."
• 210 – Daenerys has a vision of a destroyed throne room. She reaches out to the throne but never touches it.
• 303 – Daenerys when speaking about her brother Rhaegar “…he was not the last dragon.”
• 404 - Daenerys executes 163 Meereenese noblemen. In 406 we learn some of these men were innocent. Daenerys shows absolutely no regret.
• 405 – Daenerys speaking with Jorah. “You counseled me against rashness once in Qarth. I didn’t listen. It all worked out well.”
• 407 – Jorah tells Daenerys “The masters treated men like beasts, as you said. Herding the masters into pens and slaughtering them by the thousands is also treating men like beasts.” Reminding her “I wouldn't be here to help you if Ned Stark had done to me what you want to do to the masters of Yunkai.”
• 407 – Daenerys “They can live in my new world or they can die in their old one.”
• 505 – Daenerys executes an innocent Meereenese nobleman for the sole purpose of intimidating the other nobles.
• 505 – Daenerys reopens the fighting pits allowing for innocent men to kill one another for entertainment.
• 508 – Daenerys “I’m not going to stop the wheel. I’m going to break the wheel.”
• 604 – Daenerys murders the leaders of the Dothraki for the sole purpose of consolidating power.
• 606 – Dario to Daenerys “You weren’t made to sit on a chair in a palace. You’re a conquer, Daenerys Stormborn.”
• 606 – Daenerys to the Dothraki “Will you kill my enemies in their iron suits and tear down their stone houses?”
• 609 – Speaking about the masters Daenerys swears to “Kill every one of their soldiers and return their cities to the dirt.” Tyrion responds “You once told me you knew what your father was. Did you know his plans for King’s Landing?” Daenerys “This is entirely different!” Tyrion “You’re talking about destroying cities. It’s not entirely different.”
• 702 – Yara Greyjoy, Olenna Tyrell, and Ellaria Sand all try to convince Daenerys to use her dragons on King’s Landing. Tyrion convinces her to do otherwise. (This is important as Tyrion’s plans fail, and his repeated failures show Daenerys there’s no other option)
• 702 - Olenna Tyrell “Commoners and nobles are all children really. They won’t obey you unless they fear you.” And later. “You’re a dragon. Be a dragon.”
• 704 – After news of her army’s defeat at Casterly Rock, Daenerys questions Tyrion’s plans and his loyalty.
• 704 – Daenerys “Enough with the clever plans. I have 3 large dragons. I’m going to fly them to the red keep.”
• 705 – Daenerys executes Randal and Dickon Tarly when imprisonment was a perfectly viable option.
• 705 – Tyrion “Daenerys is not her father.” Varys “And she never will be with the right counsel. You need to find a way to make her listen.”
• 705 – Tyrion devises a convoluted plan to capture a wight to convince Cersi to help fight the night King. Over the rest of seasons 7 and 8 this plan goes horribly wrong and results in the death of a dragon. The failure of this plan further degrades Daenerys’ trust of Tyrion.
• 801 – Lyanna Mormon publically confronts Jon Snow about giving up his crown and swearing allegiance to Daenerys. This is the beginning of Daenerys’ realization that she has no love in Westeros.
• 802 – Daenerys is angry that Tyrion’s advice about Cersei turned out to be wrong. Saying “Either you are a traitor or a fool.” And “Cersei still sits on the throne. If you can’t help me take it back I will find another Hand who can.”
• 803 – Jorah is killed in battle. He has proven to be one of the few advisors Daenerys had that tried to temper her impulses.
• 804 – Daenerys sees people praising Jon Snow and becomes jealous.
• 804 – Tormund “What kind of person climbs on a fucking dragon? A madman, or a king!” (I’d like to point out when Tormund says “madman” it cuts to a shot of Dany, and when he says “or a king!” it cuts to Jon)
• 804 – Speaking about Jorah to Jon, Daenerys “He loved me and I couldn’t love him back. Not the way he wanted. Not the way I love you.” (Her love for Jon is not returned in 805)
• 804 – Daenerys “I saw them gathered around you. I saw the way they looked at you. I know that look. So many people have looked at me that way but never here.”
• 804 – Varys “These are the people you came here to protect. Do not destroy the city you came to save…” Daenerys “I’m here to save the world fromy tyrants… and I will serve it, no matter the cost.”
• 804 - Daenerys “Speaking to Cersei will not prevent a slaughter. But perhaps its good the people see Daenerys Stormborn made every effort to avoid bloodshed and Cersei Lannister refused. They should know whom to blame when the sky falls down on them.” (We should note she is directly talking about “The People” here)
• 804 – Missandei’s final words before her execution. “Dracarys”.
• 805 – Varys “They say every time a Targaryen is born, the Gods toss a coin and the world holds its breath.”
• 805 – Daenerys speaking to Jon “Far more people in Westeros love you than love me. I don’t have love here. I only have fear.”
• 805 – After a half hearted kiss with Jon, Daenerys says “Alright then. Let it be fear.” (Echoing what Viserys said in 106)
• 805 – Tyrion “The people who live there, they’re not your enemies. They’re innocents.” Daenerys “Your sister knows how to use their enemies weaknesses against them. That’s what she thinks our mercy is. Our mercy is our strength. Our mercy toward future generations who will not be held hostage by a tyrant.” (She’s all but saying she’s not going to show mercy and will butcher everyone in the city)
• 805 – Daenerys to Tyrion. “Next time your fail me will be the last time you fail me.”
And that’s just what I can remember off the top of my head.
Here’s the point. Daenerys threatened multiple times to burn cities to the ground, she executed/murdered innocent people numerous times to consolidate power, she realized without love all she has left to rule with was fear, and she grew to distrust the only advisor trying to prevent her from burning down King’s landing.
She wasn’t “acting out of character” at any point in 805. She literally did the thing she’s threatened to do for multiple seasons.
Cindi you must be thrilled, it's pretty funny to see.
Every single one of your complaints is a nitpick, Glen.
From reddit:spoiler (click to show/hide)QuoteAll of the foreshadowing that lead up to last night's episode.
• 106 - Viserys, after seeing how much the Dothraki love Daenerys, becomes jealous and tries to run away saying “Who can rule without wealth or fear of love.” (Daenerys well echo this sentiment in 804 and 805)
• 204 – Daenerys “When my dragons are grown… we will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground.”
• 206 – Daenerys “I will take what is mine with fire and blood.”
• 207 - Cersei Lannister “Half the Targaryens went mad, didn't they? What's the saying? "Every time a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin."
• 210 – Daenerys has a vision of a destroyed throne room. She reaches out to the throne but never touches it.
• 303 – Daenerys when speaking about her brother Rhaegar “…he was not the last dragon.”
• 404 - Daenerys executes 163 Meereenese noblemen. In 406 we learn some of these men were innocent. Daenerys shows absolutely no regret.
• 405 – Daenerys speaking with Jorah. “You counseled me against rashness once in Qarth. I didn’t listen. It all worked out well.”
• 407 – Jorah tells Daenerys “The masters treated men like beasts, as you said. Herding the masters into pens and slaughtering them by the thousands is also treating men like beasts.” Reminding her “I wouldn't be here to help you if Ned Stark had done to me what you want to do to the masters of Yunkai.”
• 407 – Daenerys “They can live in my new world or they can die in their old one.”
• 505 – Daenerys executes an innocent Meereenese nobleman for the sole purpose of intimidating the other nobles.
• 505 – Daenerys reopens the fighting pits allowing for innocent men to kill one another for entertainment.
• 508 – Daenerys “I’m not going to stop the wheel. I’m going to break the wheel.”
• 604 – Daenerys murders the leaders of the Dothraki for the sole purpose of consolidating power.
• 606 – Dario to Daenerys “You weren’t made to sit on a chair in a palace. You’re a conquer, Daenerys Stormborn.”
• 606 – Daenerys to the Dothraki “Will you kill my enemies in their iron suits and tear down their stone houses?”
• 609 – Speaking about the masters Daenerys swears to “Kill every one of their soldiers and return their cities to the dirt.” Tyrion responds “You once told me you knew what your father was. Did you know his plans for King’s Landing?” Daenerys “This is entirely different!” Tyrion “You’re talking about destroying cities. It’s not entirely different.”
• 702 – Yara Greyjoy, Olenna Tyrell, and Ellaria Sand all try to convince Daenerys to use her dragons on King’s Landing. Tyrion convinces her to do otherwise. (This is important as Tyrion’s plans fail, and his repeated failures show Daenerys there’s no other option)
• 702 - Olenna Tyrell “Commoners and nobles are all children really. They won’t obey you unless they fear you.” And later. “You’re a dragon. Be a dragon.”
• 704 – After news of her army’s defeat at Casterly Rock, Daenerys questions Tyrion’s plans and his loyalty.
• 704 – Daenerys “Enough with the clever plans. I have 3 large dragons. I’m going to fly them to the red keep.”
• 705 – Daenerys executes Randal and Dickon Tarly when imprisonment was a perfectly viable option.
• 705 – Tyrion “Daenerys is not her father.” Varys “And she never will be with the right counsel. You need to find a way to make her listen.”
• 705 – Tyrion devises a convoluted plan to capture a wight to convince Cersi to help fight the night King. Over the rest of seasons 7 and 8 this plan goes horribly wrong and results in the death of a dragon. The failure of this plan further degrades Daenerys’ trust of Tyrion.
• 801 – Lyanna Mormon publically confronts Jon Snow about giving up his crown and swearing allegiance to Daenerys. This is the beginning of Daenerys’ realization that she has no love in Westeros.
• 802 – Daenerys is angry that Tyrion’s advice about Cersei turned out to be wrong. Saying “Either you are a traitor or a fool.” And “Cersei still sits on the throne. If you can’t help me take it back I will find another Hand who can.”
• 803 – Jorah is killed in battle. He has proven to be one of the few advisors Daenerys had that tried to temper her impulses.
• 804 – Daenerys sees people praising Jon Snow and becomes jealous.
• 804 – Tormund “What kind of person climbs on a fucking dragon? A madman, or a king!” (I’d like to point out when Tormund says “madman” it cuts to a shot of Dany, and when he says “or a king!” it cuts to Jon)
• 804 – Speaking about Jorah to Jon, Daenerys “He loved me and I couldn’t love him back. Not the way he wanted. Not the way I love you.” (Her love for Jon is not returned in 805)
• 804 – Daenerys “I saw them gathered around you. I saw the way they looked at you. I know that look. So many people have looked at me that way but never here.”
• 804 – Varys “These are the people you came here to protect. Do not destroy the city you came to save…” Daenerys “I’m here to save the world fromy tyrants… and I will serve it, no matter the cost.”
• 804 - Daenerys “Speaking to Cersei will not prevent a slaughter. But perhaps its good the people see Daenerys Stormborn made every effort to avoid bloodshed and Cersei Lannister refused. They should know whom to blame when the sky falls down on them.” (We should note she is directly talking about “The People” here)
• 804 – Missandei’s final words before her execution. “Dracarys”.
• 805 – Varys “They say every time a Targaryen is born, the Gods toss a coin and the world holds its breath.”
• 805 – Daenerys speaking to Jon “Far more people in Westeros love you than love me. I don’t have love here. I only have fear.”
• 805 – After a half hearted kiss with Jon, Daenerys says “Alright then. Let it be fear.” (Echoing what Viserys said in 106)
• 805 – Tyrion “The people who live there, they’re not your enemies. They’re innocents.” Daenerys “Your sister knows how to use their enemies weaknesses against them. That’s what she thinks our mercy is. Our mercy is our strength. Our mercy toward future generations who will not be held hostage by a tyrant.” (She’s all but saying she’s not going to show mercy and will butcher everyone in the city)
• 805 – Daenerys to Tyrion. “Next time your fail me will be the last time you fail me.”
And that’s just what I can remember off the top of my head.
Here’s the point. Daenerys threatened multiple times to burn cities to the ground, she executed/murdered innocent people numerous times to consolidate power, she realized without love all she has left to rule with was fear, and she grew to distrust the only advisor trying to prevent her from burning down King’s landing.
She wasn’t “acting out of character” at any point in 805. She literally did the thing she’s threatened to do for multiple seasons.[close]
like i said before, there's a lot of brilliant TV production craft here from all the peons who actually put the graft into making this shit, but it's embarrassing what an absolute rushed chop job it is and absolutely nothing lands as it should as a result. it's like watching a film on fast forward complete with squeaky voices and comedy movements.
the euron just popping out of the water to fight jamie is probably the laziest shit i've ever seen in a big production like this, it was like something out of hot shots. DnD don't give a fuck, and while this is clearly GRRM's napkin written ending and they had fuck all clue or desire to properly get there.
80 hours of being a paragon of virtue to becoming a mass murdering femcel in about an hour of screentime while everyone else devolves into a gawping sap staggering aimlessly to their plot destination.
Every single one of your complaints is a nitpick, Glen.
From reddit:spoiler (click to show/hide)QuoteAll of the foreshadowing that lead up to last night's episode.
• 106 - Viserys, after seeing how much the Dothraki love Daenerys, becomes jealous and tries to run away saying “Who can rule without wealth or fear of love.” (Daenerys well echo this sentiment in 804 and 805)
• 204 – Daenerys “When my dragons are grown… we will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground.”
• 206 – Daenerys “I will take what is mine with fire and blood.”
• 207 - Cersei Lannister “Half the Targaryens went mad, didn't they? What's the saying? "Every time a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin."
• 210 – Daenerys has a vision of a destroyed throne room. She reaches out to the throne but never touches it.
• 303 – Daenerys when speaking about her brother Rhaegar “…he was not the last dragon.”
• 404 - Daenerys executes 163 Meereenese noblemen. In 406 we learn some of these men were innocent. Daenerys shows absolutely no regret.
• 405 – Daenerys speaking with Jorah. “You counseled me against rashness once in Qarth. I didn’t listen. It all worked out well.”
• 407 – Jorah tells Daenerys “The masters treated men like beasts, as you said. Herding the masters into pens and slaughtering them by the thousands is also treating men like beasts.” Reminding her “I wouldn't be here to help you if Ned Stark had done to me what you want to do to the masters of Yunkai.”
• 407 – Daenerys “They can live in my new world or they can die in their old one.”
• 505 – Daenerys executes an innocent Meereenese nobleman for the sole purpose of intimidating the other nobles.
• 505 – Daenerys reopens the fighting pits allowing for innocent men to kill one another for entertainment.
• 508 – Daenerys “I’m not going to stop the wheel. I’m going to break the wheel.”
• 604 – Daenerys murders the leaders of the Dothraki for the sole purpose of consolidating power.
• 606 – Dario to Daenerys “You weren’t made to sit on a chair in a palace. You’re a conquer, Daenerys Stormborn.”
• 606 – Daenerys to the Dothraki “Will you kill my enemies in their iron suits and tear down their stone houses?”
• 609 – Speaking about the masters Daenerys swears to “Kill every one of their soldiers and return their cities to the dirt.” Tyrion responds “You once told me you knew what your father was. Did you know his plans for King’s Landing?” Daenerys “This is entirely different!” Tyrion “You’re talking about destroying cities. It’s not entirely different.”
• 702 – Yara Greyjoy, Olenna Tyrell, and Ellaria Sand all try to convince Daenerys to use her dragons on King’s Landing. Tyrion convinces her to do otherwise. (This is important as Tyrion’s plans fail, and his repeated failures show Daenerys there’s no other option)
• 702 - Olenna Tyrell “Commoners and nobles are all children really. They won’t obey you unless they fear you.” And later. “You’re a dragon. Be a dragon.”
• 704 – After news of her army’s defeat at Casterly Rock, Daenerys questions Tyrion’s plans and his loyalty.
• 704 – Daenerys “Enough with the clever plans. I have 3 large dragons. I’m going to fly them to the red keep.”
• 705 – Daenerys executes Randal and Dickon Tarly when imprisonment was a perfectly viable option.
• 705 – Tyrion “Daenerys is not her father.” Varys “And she never will be with the right counsel. You need to find a way to make her listen.”
• 705 – Tyrion devises a convoluted plan to capture a wight to convince Cersi to help fight the night King. Over the rest of seasons 7 and 8 this plan goes horribly wrong and results in the death of a dragon. The failure of this plan further degrades Daenerys’ trust of Tyrion.
• 801 – Lyanna Mormon publically confronts Jon Snow about giving up his crown and swearing allegiance to Daenerys. This is the beginning of Daenerys’ realization that she has no love in Westeros.
• 802 – Daenerys is angry that Tyrion’s advice about Cersei turned out to be wrong. Saying “Either you are a traitor or a fool.” And “Cersei still sits on the throne. If you can’t help me take it back I will find another Hand who can.”
• 803 – Jorah is killed in battle. He has proven to be one of the few advisors Daenerys had that tried to temper her impulses.
• 804 – Daenerys sees people praising Jon Snow and becomes jealous.
• 804 – Tormund “What kind of person climbs on a fucking dragon? A madman, or a king!” (I’d like to point out when Tormund says “madman” it cuts to a shot of Dany, and when he says “or a king!” it cuts to Jon)
• 804 – Speaking about Jorah to Jon, Daenerys “He loved me and I couldn’t love him back. Not the way he wanted. Not the way I love you.” (Her love for Jon is not returned in 805)
• 804 – Daenerys “I saw them gathered around you. I saw the way they looked at you. I know that look. So many people have looked at me that way but never here.”
• 804 – Varys “These are the people you came here to protect. Do not destroy the city you came to save…” Daenerys “I’m here to save the world fromy tyrants… and I will serve it, no matter the cost.”
• 804 - Daenerys “Speaking to Cersei will not prevent a slaughter. But perhaps its good the people see Daenerys Stormborn made every effort to avoid bloodshed and Cersei Lannister refused. They should know whom to blame when the sky falls down on them.” (We should note she is directly talking about “The People” here)
• 804 – Missandei’s final words before her execution. “Dracarys”.
• 805 – Varys “They say every time a Targaryen is born, the Gods toss a coin and the world holds its breath.”
• 805 – Daenerys speaking to Jon “Far more people in Westeros love you than love me. I don’t have love here. I only have fear.”
• 805 – After a half hearted kiss with Jon, Daenerys says “Alright then. Let it be fear.” (Echoing what Viserys said in 106)
• 805 – Tyrion “The people who live there, they’re not your enemies. They’re innocents.” Daenerys “Your sister knows how to use their enemies weaknesses against them. That’s what she thinks our mercy is. Our mercy is our strength. Our mercy toward future generations who will not be held hostage by a tyrant.” (She’s all but saying she’s not going to show mercy and will butcher everyone in the city)
• 805 – Daenerys to Tyrion. “Next time your fail me will be the last time you fail me.”
And that’s just what I can remember off the top of my head.
Here’s the point. Daenerys threatened multiple times to burn cities to the ground, she executed/murdered innocent people numerous times to consolidate power, she realized without love all she has left to rule with was fear, and she grew to distrust the only advisor trying to prevent her from burning down King’s landing.
She wasn’t “acting out of character” at any point in 805. She literally did the thing she’s threatened to do for multiple seasons.[close]
None of that really establishes a motive or internal logic that justifies Dany going from wanting to rule by fear and take her crown by whatever means to having achieved all that and deciding to start firebombing the civilians for 30 minutes so D & D can lazily wrap up some other plot threads about characters they have also horribly mismanaged.
But at this point I am just in for the spectacle. Almost as funny as the people melting down over Dany not being the savior of the story are people trying to find good writing and well thought out intent from a bunch of hack writers that broke much of the plotting to service fan fic and are now just trying to bend the characters in whatever way provides the path of least resistance that gets them to hit GRRM's story beats so they can go start fucking up Star Wars more than it already is.
Like I get criticism,, but you're not like going after anything concrete, in terms of structure or characterization or plotting. You're complaining about how rules work. Which can certainly be annoying but like, isn't something to terribly be concerned about.
Okay, how about this:QuoteNow all of Cersei's S5/6/7 arc gets destroyed in like half an hour. What's the point of rewatching episodes like The Winds of Winter (season 6 finale where she blows up the Sept of Baelor) now that we know that all of Cersei's machinations to get back into power get undone in 5 minutes of "battle" with previously established weapons not even being used? Everything from 2+ years amounts to a wet fart.
After everything we went through with her starting from the Walk of Shame, years of plot development ends in a few minutes with all her defenses folding like an old Toronto Raptors team against LeBron, with her scorpions firing off like 3 bolts total. She gets like 20 minutes of total screentime in the final season. Like wtf?
We haven’t even seen the last episode though. Much less now she reacted to the destruction. Her face was never shown for a reason. :idont I think it’s fair and true to Dany, especially coming a book reader perspective.
Unlike the books they did a shit poor job establishing that part of her personality. Too busy chasing "My Queen!" fan fic. Power hungry, yes, a willingness to go to extremes to secure her throne, absolutely, cruelty in punishment, yep, foreshadowing with symbolism and lines of dialogue what GRRM likely told them years ago, for sure.... Suddenly going from wanting to instill fear as a ruler to committing mass genocide in the throws of unconditional surrender because you didn't get some dick and the Red Keep triggered you(per dumb and dumber)? :cmonson
The show needed some better set up is all, but without it it is jarring and I get a lot of the backlash.
To me the laziness of their execution ruins the suspension of disbelief.
but now she has no city and no peasants to lord over..
Methinks you guys need to get your stories straight. Did she snap, or is this a premeditated intimidation tactic?
I’ve said repeatedly I think it works best to think she never planned to let them surrender and the idea of her simply snapping is stupid so not sure who you think needs to get their story straight.
Reading is fundamental.
but now she has no city and no peasants to lord over..
Methinks you guys need to get your stories straight. Did she snap, or is this a premeditated intimidation tactic?
I’ve said repeatedly I think it works best to think she never planned to let them surrender and the idea of her simply snapping is stupid so not sure who you think needs to get their story straight.
Reading is fundamental.
Glen has a point that it’s inconsistent with buildings exploding and people directly hit looking like Freddy Krueger but I don’t see where it gets you to focus so much on shit like that other than an inability’s to suspend your disbelief. Not really something people should be proud of; yay you enjoyed something less!
Oh, I don't think anyone missed it. I think everyone is saying it was executed insanely poorly.I don't think you need to be like "there were no signs she'd go crazy". They were obviously there. BUT. I do think it's a bit like
Khal Drogo and baby dead? Killed the woman responsible
New husband betrays her? Eh
2 dragons die? Small grimmace
Ser Friendzone dies right in front of her. She mourns a few minutes.
Translator dies (Which frankly was Dany's own fault)? BURN EVERYTHING DOWN!!!
Don't necessarily think it's being nit picky to be like "That's some shitty writing"
That was not her only motivation though.
She believed she was not going to end up on the throne, it made her paranoid as hell and then she finds out her advisors who had been urging her not to attack the red keep betrayed her.
How did everyone miss this major plot point they hammered in for 2 episodes straight? Or the 5 times I’ve mentioned it here lol
:myniccaWhat does Cersei’s gaining power have anything to do with her losing it that quickly?
It's not earned. Nothing changes between Dany getting humbled in episode 4 and Dany destroying everything in episode 5 except that she decides to try harder, or whatever. All those carefully laid defense plans get swept aside in a couple minutes because reasons. And this ends a 3+ season arc. It's trash.
Maybe it's because they spent more time on that stupid thing than all the rest and what it meant to her.Oh, I don't think anyone missed it. I think everyone is saying it was executed insanely poorly.I don't think you need to be like "there were no signs she'd go crazy". They were obviously there. BUT. I do think it's a bit like
Khal Drogo and baby dead? Killed the woman responsible
New husband betrays her? Eh
2 dragons die? Small grimmace
Ser Friendzone dies right in front of her. She mourns a few minutes.
Translator dies (Which frankly was Dany's own fault)? BURN EVERYTHING DOWN!!!
Don't necessarily think it's being nit picky to be like "That's some shitty writing"
That was not her only motivation though.
She believed she was not going to end up on the throne, it made her paranoid as hell and then she finds out her advisors who had been urging her not to attack the red keep betrayed her.
How did everyone miss this major plot point they hammered in for 2 episodes straight? Or the 5 times I’ve mentioned it here lol
That’s strange since you just attributed her burning down everything to one persons death and ignored all her other motivations. So you either missed it orrrr?
Really seems more like you guys aren’t interested in having an actual conversation where you acknowledged ledge what other people are saying.
:snore
like i said before, there's a lot of brilliant TV production craft here from all the peons who actually put the graft into making this shit, but it's embarrassing what an absolute rushed chop job it is and absolutely nothing lands as it should as a result. it's like watching a film on fast forward complete with squeaky voices and comedy movements.Despite me liking this last episode, this all does feel super rushed. Kind of sad too because I think just 2 full seasons for 7 and 8 would have been enough to elaborate and slowburn on Dany's deteriorating mental state in a more satisfying way. That would have helped with some of the current complaints, I think.
the euron just popping out of the water to fight jamie is probably the laziest shit i've ever seen in a big production like this, it was like something out of hot shots. DnD don't give a fuck, and while this is clearly GRRM's napkin written ending and they had fuck all clue or desire to properly get there.
80 hours of being a paragon of virtue to becoming a mass murdering femcel in about an hour of screentime while everyone else devolves into a gawping sap staggering aimlessly to their plot destination.
Jon turning Dany down is just another example of the writers snubbing the audience, many of whom are hardcore incest fans
Another thing about Dany: she just lost the love of her life (Jon.)
She seemed willing to rule together with him, she made that last desperate attempt for him to be a couple and he turned her down making it clear that he was going to be her nephew moving forward not her husband.
That was another breaking point for her. And she can’t let Jon be the victor, the one to storm the red keep and lead the army or else again, she believed the people would crown him King.
If none of this was meant to give Dany motivation then these writers are fucking strange as it makes way more sense than “was gonna let them surrender but then :shaking”
She contemplated the option of letting them surrender but decided on destroying the city because of a culmination of factors.
http://www.twitter.com/benonwine/status/1128070490067750913
http://www.twitter.com/sbazzini8/status/1128093241608417280
HBO publicly stated before even season 6 that they wanted them to do more and they hoped they would change their mind from the planned 2 short seasons so that’s not much of an admittance lol
DUMB ASS BIIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATCH IN THE NORTH
How does her new character arc make you feel?
I’m still behind her. Even after last night’s episode, I’m still rooting for her. I don’t think she did anything wrong. I think she did what she had to do. She gave many options. She tells you, “Are you gonna bend the knee, or are you not?” So I don’t know why everybody’s acting surprised. She’s done this before. If you betray her, you don’t bend the knee, look what happens.
Dany was under the belief Jon would be made King, so no, her “winning” when they surrendered in her mind wouldn’t be enough. A dominant and cruel victory sends a message to everyone including anyone who would support Jon as king.
That’s how I see it, beyond just her anger at her advisors telling her over and over not to burn the city and those same advisors betraying her in her mind.
“They didn’t establish a motive”; I feel like you didn’t pay attention.
Dany was under the belief Jon would be made King, so no, her “winning” when they surrendered in her mind wouldn’t be enough. A dominant and cruel victory sends a message to everyone including anyone who would support Jon as king.
That’s how I see it, beyond just her anger at her advisors telling her over and over not to burn the city and those same advisors betraying her in her mind.
“They didn’t establish a motive”; I feel like you didn’t pay attention.
Pretttttttttttty much.
https://www.bodyforwife.com/to-everyone-angry-about-what-happened-on-game-of-thrones-last-night/
Next, Dany should purge any leader who could possibly threaten her. Jon needs to die first. Tyrion? Dead. Sansa? Fucking dead. Burn all of Winterfell and Bran and the whole bit. They don’t need to fear the White Walkers any longer. Install puppet leaders in various kingdoms. Rule via terror.
And if she does that, she will likely rule long and die in her bed an old woman.
Except for one thing. There is no killing Arya.
My prediction for the final episode is that Daenerys will do all what I just wrote to secure her spot on the throne, and we will be left with a final scene of Arya sharpening her weaponry, a murderous gleam in her eyes.
Arya didn’t get to kill Cersei. But the show will provide another queen for her to kill.
http://www.twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1128110196184711169
Having rewatched the episode, got to say that book fans are reaching really hard (https://www.psycom.net/depression.central.grief.html#bargaining) when they say that this episode is the return of TRUE GEORGE R.U.SRS MARTIN WRITING. A dragon (i.e. an obvious analogue to a modern day weapon of war) indiscriminately destroying the virtuous and the iniquitous alike along with a grand city that's been around a couple hundred years is about as obviously Tolkien "modern day bad, idealized pastoral world that never existed anywhere but my imagination good" as you can get. J.R.R. Tolkien mercks yet another charlatan and his coterie. :bow2
I don't think you need to be like "there were no signs she'd go crazy". They were obviously there. BUT. I do think it's a bit like
Khal Drogo and baby dead? Killed the woman responsible
New husband betrays her? Eh
2 dragons die? Small grimmace
Ser Friendzone dies right in front of her. She mourns a few minutes.
Translator dies (Which frankly was Dany's own fault)? BURN EVERYTHING DOWN!!!
Don't necessarily think it's being nit picky to be like "That's some shitty writing"
My extended thoughts since I'm bored. Keep in mind my aforementioned attitude towards entertainment; I generally prefer to TRY TO enjoy things, while I occasionally also enjoy having a hate-boner for stuff (The Quiet Place) I prefer overlooking things or head canon-ing things to keep things positive and entertaining. Me being entertained by something is not an endorsement of the quality of the writing of something.
- First off, I'm one of the only people who seems fine with Jamie's arc and don't think they went against the characterization or anything. He never really stopped being a Cersei boot-licker, he was still gathering armies for her like 3 episodes ago and only went AWOL because he believed in the threat of the undead. His arc was to "become a better man", and he did.. but he never could "get over" Cersei, even when faced with the fact she hired someone to kill him. That's not shocking to me and it's not some heel turn. Also the boring as fuck Frog prophecy is not in the show so get over it book readers; I get the idea of vague prophecies / mysteries being entertaining but that prophecy was hardly some potential "whodunit" (or whosgonnadoit.) I'll admit it was slightly jarring when he left Winterfell and they set it up like he was going to join Cersei but after putting thought into it I knew he wasn't planning to betray her like everyone thought. People claiming he didn't even have an arc are ignoring like.. the entire story.
- Euron killing the dragon and destroying the fleet in 10 seconds in the last episode will never not be dumb. The only way to make any sense out of the disparity between last episode Euron and this episode Euron is if the way he killed the dragon was via surprise attack. The scene was not pulled off well, and it was not believable that he surprised her let alone land several shots in succession vs. yesterdays episode where they were bumbling idiots who could barely get a shot off I'm still gonna go with "In one instance he surprised her, in the other she knew he was there" as the "why" that happened and just laugh at the scene. As it stands I'm fine with Dany being able to destroy the shit out of him, he just shouldn't have been so OP in the previous episode (that includes being able to destroy an entire fleet of ships instantly lol)
- I do like where they went with Jon and Dany and the paranoia it caused her. That was also the one thing they did well from the previous episode showing her isolated from everyone and everyone feeling Jon more than her. It's also interesting to note that had Sansa not betrayed Jon, she may never have gone off the deep end. She was already paranoid obviously but the real trigger of her going crazy / not sleeping or eating, etc. was the fact the secret got out.
- Gurl you need some concealer, stat.
- I'll say it again the writers claiming Dany "snapped" while in the air above KL and didn't actually plan to burn down everyone is stupid; when I saw the episode I figured she had at least contemplated that act, and was wrestling with it a bit before making a final decision.. which fits the story since she repeatedly threatened to do exactly what she did and it also fits her "Fear it is" statement. This idea that she was planning on letting them surrender but totally snapped is dumb, but luckily they never actually say that in the show so fuck the writers lol
- My biggest gripe in general is just WTF they did with Tyrion.. he's just been fucking up non stop, being incredibly naive, etc. for ages now. However I did love the final scene with him and Jamie, very well done.
- The Hound stuff was predictable fan service but I liked it, not much else to say
- Grey Worm WHEW.. that was some fucked up shit.. very powerful to watch, I'm curious to see if he'll be having guilty feelings next episode or if he's just a revenge driven maniac now.
- Arya, I'm whatever on her.. I'm fine with her being an OP ninja, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. I hope she doesn't have too much to do in the final episode, like perhaps this episode will be more of a wake-up call for her than yet another "I need revenge" scenario, but we'll see. I thought maybe her trying to save that mother and child would cause her to think she needs to settle down (alone with her choosing to live over choosing to go after Cersei) but they also might go with "the mother and child are a setup for her anger / revenge against Dany."
- Like Cindi said watching Jon's world crumble around him seeing Dany go cray was also powerful
In the end that was one fucked up and pretty incredible hour and a half of television. There's plenty to nit-pick (no scorpions protecting the tower, Dany could have just air-dropped on them, etc. ,blah blah) but in the moment they managed to wow me. Some of you really suck at enjoying things and come across like angry depressed mofos, seriously.
It's funny because his face. You can tell his reaction by looking at his face. Knowing of the original meme is irrelevant.
How have you posted on gaf and here without seeing
(https://i.imgur.com/bqd7mSs.gif)
I've seen that gif a million times; what does that have to do with not finding it funny?
People posting reaction gifs aren't funny either.
You just completely proved my point because you think I'd have to have not seen the GIF to not "Get it" lol
It's funny because his face. You can tell his reaction by looking at his face. Knowing of the original meme is irrelevant.
How have you posted on gaf and here without seeing
(https://i.imgur.com/bqd7mSs.gif)
:umadZzzZzz more boring memes ZzzZzz
Nothing makes me feel older than memes; it feels like an entire generation of people were created who think the dumbest shit is funny. It's mostly "inside joke" humor; ITS FUNNY BECAUSE THAT GUYS FACE HAS BEEN USED IN 1000 OTHER MEMES!
:shaking
Jon turning Dany down is just another example of the writers snubbing the audience, many of whom are hardcore incest fans
it's pornhub's fault!
Reading you guys' "predictions" vs. what is going to happen is quite entertaining :lol
Reading you guys' "predictions" vs. what is going to happen is quite entertaining :lol
The best was when Cindi said "Jaime is riding off to Kong's Landing to kill Cersei, you imbeciles. You fucking morons."
:doge
Reading you guys' "predictions" vs. what is going to happen is quite entertaining :lol
The best was when Cindi said "Jaime is riding off to Kong's Landing to kill Cersei, you imbeciles. You fucking morons."
:doge
The thing I don't get is...it feels like the themes are muddled. It's like they're saying prophecy doesn't matter, but some prophecies...DO matter?
When I asked Benioff and Weiss if it was possible to infer any overall intentionality to the upcoming 10 episodes, they sneered. “Themes are for eighth-grade book reports,” Benioff told me.
Reading you guys' "predictions" vs. what is going to happen is quite entertaining :lol
Shut the fuck up you spoiler reading chav.
The thing I don't get is...it feels like the themes are muddled. It's like they're saying prophecy doesn't matter, but some prophecies...DO matter?QuoteWhen I asked Benioff and Weiss if it was possible to infer any overall intentionality to the upcoming 10 episodes, they sneered. “Themes are for eighth-grade book reports,” Benioff told me.
http://grantland.com/features/the-return-hbo-game-thrones/
(note the date)
This is pretty much how it played it outThe end of Euron"Are you the King slayer? Not much of a fighter are you!"
"I will kill you Euron"
"Would you really kill the father of your unborn nephew Kingslayer? I FUCKED YOUR SISTER GOOD HAHAHAH"
"Your baby? I fucked Cersei every day and gave her all her children. Including the one she's carrying now. We have a special bond"
*Euron vomits, allowing Jaime to stab him*[close]
The thing I don't get is...it feels like the themes are muddled. It's like they're saying prophecy doesn't matter, but some prophecies...DO matter?QuoteWhen I asked Benioff and Weiss if it was possible to infer any overall intentionality to the upcoming 10 episodes, they sneered. “Themes are for eighth-grade book reports,” Benioff told me.
http://grantland.com/features/the-return-hbo-game-thrones/
(note the date)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3aDgq5HQeM
A lot of people complain that the shifts in a lot of characters' arcs felt too sudden in this episode. They're not wrong. Because they also did for the characters themselves, as the entire episode is about who we all are, or what we reveal ourselves to be the moment fear takes control of us. It's sudden and dramatic by fear's very nature. The episode's title, "The Bells", even calls to attention the precise instant this happens for most of our key characters.
We see it in the war scene itself. It's not so much "one good side versus one bad side" as much as it is just one collective mass of people scared shitless fighting for their lives, and all it takes is one catalyst to bring that collective fear all the way to the forefront and, amidst pure chaos, for everyone to find out who they truly are.
Dany is that catalyst. As we know, she is already afraid. But once she hears the bells of surrender in King's Landing, that's the moment the fear fully takes hold of her. The throne, the one thing she's always wanted is now finally hers for the taking. The people of King's Landing do not love her, and she will not lose the product of her life's work the way she did everything else, so she does the only other thing she sees she can do: "Let it be fear". She torches the city.
So, motivated by fear, this is the very moment she puts the fear in everyone else. The walls break down completely. All masks come off. Everyone's true selves and desires rush to the forefront.
Grey Worm, feeling only wrath from the love taken from him, seizes this opportunity to massacre innocent surrendering forces.
Formerly surrendering forces fight for their lives. They want only to survive.
Some of the victorious forces of the North do the same, while others seize the opportunity to wreak savagery upon innocents. It's who they were all along, and we've taken their good will for granted.
We've all seen Jon Snow's face of realization: "This is wrong. This was wrong all along." From that point on, he can only make futile attempts to correct what can't be undone.
Knowing it's all over, Cersei's thoughts turn entirely to her unborn child. It's not about "who wins" the throne anymore. To her, the throne was merely her and her family's refuge, a refuge she held by committing countless evils in the name of protecting herself and those she loved. Now, all she knows is that she cannot let her unborn baby die, not here. She flees. She weeps for her child.
And even among all of this, the sound of the bells was only the moment the fear hit most of our characters. Others had fear take control of them slightly prior, but the bells served as the crossroads for those very fears nonetheless.
The moment fear took control of Jaime was one episode prior. By every observable metric, he was a changed man that had every intention of atoning for his past. But the moment Sansa told him that Cersei would be executed without him, that's when his fear took hold. He could not let the woman he'd loved his entire life, from the moment of their birth, die without him there. It was not a "reversal" or "squandering" of his character arc. He had indeed become a better man. But he was the only person to ever see that side of Cersei, and he was afraid to let it die. Even at the moment of he and Cersei's death, he tells her "it’s just us, that's all that matters". The fear made him realize that his memory of that love is all he would have been content with, and given familial love being the sole motivator for all of Cersei's sociopathy, it was literally his answer to her lifelong struggle.
Obviously, The Hound fears his brother. He knows this crossroads at King's Landing is his chance. He fears NOT getting revenge, and Arya thinks she shares this in common with him. So as a litmus test, he makes it as clear as he can to Arya: if you follow me down this path, you will die.
And despite all her talk, that is the moment the fear hits Arya. She doesn't want to die. She runs through the streets trying to escape, and in doing so finds that she doesn't want the people to die as well. Fear triggers her survival impulses, not just for herself, but for others as well. She's afraid to die. There's more she needs to do. There's more everyone needs to do.
And lastly, or firstly rather, seeing the crisis of "the bells" coming days in advance in true character fashion, Varys remains the person he's always been. He fears the wrong person being seated on the throne, one that leads by instilling this very fear in them at all, the fear that arises from fire and blood.
And that, my friends, is why this episode is brilliant. It is pure Game of Thrones. We're nothing but sacks of meat and blood, and some bone to keep it all standing. When life-or-death fear hits, we become our basest, most elemental selves, and no one is invulnerable.
TL;DR: Characters' arcs shift fast because the whole episode is about fear and who we reveal ourselves to be once that fear is put in us.
I think Arya's ark is BS. She spent years breaking herself down psychologically, reprogrammed herself to be a nameless cold blooded killer, only to become scared little Arya Stark in crucial moments. Yet she keeps falling upwards.I believe the fire is the problem.
Btw, it seems to me that being a veteran in the battle against the army of the undead is a more stressful and PTSD-inducing experience. The northerners and dothraki sacking, pillaging and raping their way through King's Landing just seems like appropriate behavior for the time period.
I think Arya's ark is BS. She spent years breaking herself down psychologically, reprogrammed herself to be a nameless cold blooded killer, only to become scared little Arya Stark in crucial moments. Yet she keeps falling upwards.I believe the fire is the problem.
Btw, it seems to me that being a veteran in the battle against the army of the undead is a more stressful and PTSD-inducing experience. The northerners and dothraki sacking, pillaging and raping their way through King's Landing just seems like appropriate behavior for the time period.
The starks are used to the cold but they don't do well in the south.
A song of Ice and Fire. ;)
There were dragons and lots of fire i Ep 3. Including a hostile zombie dragon.
There were dragons and lots of fire i Ep 3. Including a hostile zombie dragon.
It‘s like when people go to Florida, it‘s not the heat that gets to you it‘s the humidity.
Btw, it seems to me that being a veteran in the battle against the army of the undead is a more stressful and PTSD-inducing experience. The northerners and dothraki sacking, pillaging and raping their way through King's Landing just seems like appropriate behavior for the time period.
Btw, it seems to me that being a veteran in the battle against the army of the undead is a more stressful and PTSD-inducing experience. The northerners and dothraki sacking, pillaging and raping their way through King's Landing just seems like appropriate behavior for the time period.
So you're saying that man is the real enemy and the real monster? Is that it?
Btw, it seems to me that being a veteran in the battle against the army of the undead is a more stressful and PTSD-inducing experience. The northerners and dothraki sacking, pillaging and raping their way through King's Landing just seems like appropriate behavior for the time period.
So you're saying that man is the real enemy and the real monster? Is that it?
That goes without saying, but what I'm getting at is that Jon is naive as fuck for :reeeee -ing about it. He must have had his head buried in the snow this entire time if he didn't realize that's the world he was living in.
Season 7 was fine.
However, people satisfied with Season 8 make less sense to me than the insane people who think TLJ was a great film.
One user on Zhihu drafted a speech for King Jon Snow's theoretical inauguration ceremony. “Comrade Varys’s life is a life of glory and honor… The suffering he has been through laid ground for his dream to seek welfare for the people and the country.”
The speech continues: “Before he was arrested, Comrade Varys took off all his rings, and for the first and last time, proved himself a member of the proletariat.”
Dany's look of rage on Drogon was more convincing than anything in the prequels.I liked this episode, but this whole plotline was rushed and it feels a little empty. Dany going wildcard was always a possibility, and lots of folks are pretending it wasn't.
Sure, but Anakin turning to the Dark Side was an absolute certainty, and the problem was that it was executed like shit. However, Dany's turn makes Anakin's look like Walter White's.
Dany's look of rage on Drogon was more convincing than anything in the prequels.I liked this episode, but this whole plotline was rushed and it feels a little empty. Dany going wildcard was always a possibility, and lots of folks are pretending it wasn't.
Sure, but Anakin turning to the Dark Side was an absolute certainty, and the problem was that it was executed like shit. However, Dany's turn makes Anakin's look like Walter White's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY7uvjj4UwI
:lol
people who keep defending the writing need to be beat over the head with "Dany's not her father, she's not insane, she's not a sadist, she's one of the good Targaryans" (https://youtu.be/QY7uvjj4UwI?t=49)
All of a sudden this crazy story about my finishing The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring years ago is popping up everywhere. No, I am not going to provide links. I don’t want to reward purveyors of misinformation with hits.
I will, however, say for the record—no, The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring are not finished. Dream is not even begun; I am not going to start writing volume seven until I finish volume six.
It seems absurd to me that I need to state this. The world is round, the Earth revolves around the sun, water is wet…do I need to say that too? It boggles me that anyone would believe this story, even for an instant. It makes not a whit of sense. Why would I sit for years on completed novels? Why would my publishers—not just here in the US, but all around the world—ever consent to this? They make millions and millions of dollars every time a new Ice & Fire book comes out, as do I. Delaying makes no sense. Why would HBO want the books delayed? The books help create interest in the show, just as the show creates interest in the books.
Season 7 was fine.
However, people satisfied with Season 8 make less sense to me than the insane people who think TLJ was a great film.
I have great news for you. With D&D directing new Star Wars, those two groups can now be one and the same!
These dudes really bailed on GOT (to the point of straight up rushing a season just to get it over with, at the expense of the writing and 7 years of build, with HBO begging them to do more), which was only growing in popularity and could have gone on basically infinitely with more and more money each year, for Star Wars, which hit critical mass and has had diminishing returns 3 movies in a row?
:neogaf
The real failure was on the part of HBO's brass for not putting their foot down. They should have given D&D an ultimatum: finish the show with two full seasons, or get replaced as showrunners. If you'd rather be on Star Wars, there's the door.
"Dany's not her father, she's not insane, she's not a sadist, she's one of the good Targaryans"[/url]Bobby Baratheon: "The only good Targaryen, is a dead Targaryen." 8)
And so now the show doesn't feel like it's ending in the natural way it's always unfolded. And worse yet, now subversive moments like a dragon being shot out of the sky don't feel earned or shocking, they feel frustrating because we can see it was only done to serve the plot, to limit Daenerys's capabilities for the final battle. Just like when the Dothraki were foolishly sent charging into the darkness against the army of the dead, it was actually done just to serve to story, to thin out their numbers for the coming battle at King's Landing. It was done or future drama, not because it made any sense in the moment and this is all happening because they now working backwards. They've come up with an ending to the story and they now need to aim everything in that direction instead instead of letting the characters move about as they would normally and letting events unfold in their natural way.
it's evidence of her not viewing people as expendable fodder and of her having empathy.
She probably will feel remorse in the next episode. If you think she was gleefully burning King's Landing down you should rewatch Missandei's execution.
all my posts combined are shorter than your one long ass carepost, riopogi!
:sheik
How many hours of videos have you watched in the last day about this? lol
after re-reading (listening) to that passage, do you believe that gleefully committing genocide is in her character?
Here we are, a book fan, asking if Dany is a bad person. A Song of Ice and Fire isn't not about bad people. There are very few actual bad people in this story. Ramsay, Joffrey, and arguably Tywin. She is not bad, but she's certainly not good.
"Arguably" Tywin?
Directly responsible for wanton rape and murder. Horrific abuse to his own children. I reminded someone the other day who had forgotten about Tyrion's first wife; that story tells you exactly what kind of man Tywin was...
What's the "argument," that he thought the definition of a "good man" was doing literally whatever it took to make his family - the ones he liked anyway - stronger? All that is is a motive.
Monsters almost never think they're monsters. There are total monsters everywhere in this crapsack setting; the difference between Tywin and the others you might list off is just that he was the most calculating and intelligent monster.
are you saying she mentaly snapped?It was a (war) crime of passion.
The Mountain is a major character. Lord Frey, the Mad King himself, Euron, etc. etc.
What did I expect Dany to do when she wins? Rule like Aegon the conqueror? Rule like she did Mereen? I don't know, I didn't map out an entire fanfic plot in my head I wanted the show to follow, I'm not a writer.
maybe if the writing was good, there would be no confusion over her going insane or solidifying her power.
maybe if the writing was good, there would be no confusion over her going insane or solidifying her power.
Besides, the whole city was already cowering in fear. It wasn't Jon's army the Golden Company laid down their swords for. It was Dany on her dragon single handedly obliterating the Iron Fleet and destroying walls and battlements like a wrecking ball. They were already filled with fear. Of her. There was zero need to burn women and children. If she wanted to cap it off with an exclamation point, destroying the Red Keep with the Cersei inside would have sufficed.
And it's hardly pragmatic to utterly raze the entire capital city that you are going to have to spend millions of man hours and unthinkable amounts of Westerosi currency rebuilding.
He’s ignored every post about her possible motivations.
Like her very clearly spelled out belief that the people will want Jon as King.
Whether she needed to burn down the entire city or not to make people too scared to go that route is besides the point, it’s a pretty obvious set up for a motivation. She also may not have needed to crucify people or burn them alive but she did. Including people she found out were innocent and didn’t give 2 shits about.
But I guess she’s been completely sane and purely good for 8 and a half seasons and this sudden heal turn is shocking because the show runners claimed she was good in some interview a while back.
https://youtu.be/5d6L3lg7ZRU
what a horrible monster that was ready to indiscriminently burn down innocent women and children at any moment! It's all there in the books, this ending is all according to Keikaku! The signs were there she was a mad titan all along!
:lol
nope, not gonna rope me back in
Meh. I don't want to keep going in circles, but nothing you have brought up suggests her suddenly mowing down tens, if not hundreds of thousands of innocent people. Nothing in the show or the books establishes that she would do that.
PuppetBeast
juego de haciendas:
Stark= Los Estrada de Hacienda Las Nieves del Norte
Lannister= Los Linares de Hacienda Castillo de Roca
Baratheon= Los Barraza de Hacienda Tierra Tormentosa
Arryn= Los Arriaga de Hacienda Las Aguilas del Valle
Tully= Los Tellez de Hacienda Los Rios
Tyrell= Los Toledo de Hacienda La Rosa del Altiplano
Martell= Los Martinez de Hacienda Las Lanzas
Greyjoy= Los Grijalva de Hacienda Las Islas de Hierro
Targaryen=Los Torres de Hacienda Los Dragones
King's Landing= Guadalajara, Jalisco
Dothraki=Tribus del norte de Mexico
the night watch= la guardia charra
the night king: Tlatoani oscuro o algun antepasado de Trump
white walkers= momias de Tenochtitlan
fe de los siete: iglesia catolica
culto al dios ahogado: adoracion a Tlaloc
Señor de la luz: Huitzilopochtli
el dios de muchos rostros: santa muerte
Niños del bosque: Aluxes
mother of dragons= madre de las serpientes
the prince that was promised: El charro que fue prometido
As someone who didn't read the books, I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. :doge
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Get new writers and redo the last season as two good ones. Just do it.https://www.change.org/p/hbo-remake-game-of-thrones-season-8-with-competent-writers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mlNyqhnc1M
PJSalt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mlNyqhnc1MYou'd have to pay me actual money for me to click on a video from a channel called "trope anatomy", tbqh.
PJSalt
no one is saying she's not been nuts dumdum, people are saying that spontaneously burning down an entire city of innocent peasants is out of character.https://youtu.be/s3bksUSPB4c
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*until the shitty spin offs
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ftfy
and I have no wish to be free from GRRM until he finishes his homework.
no one is saying she's not been nuts dumdum, people are saying that spontaneously burning down an entire city of innocent peasants is out of character.
GUYSNever been that hyped for GoT, to be honest, my peak was probably around season 3 or 4, but then i just followed it through inertia.
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The only way an entire season of “Game of Thrones” appears overnight is if you ignore it. And for about eight years and seven seasons that’s what I did. I thought I was being principled. The show started in 2011, deep in President Obama’s first term, and a feudal fantasy seemed like a complacent retreat. Whatever progress was supposed to look like, it seemed unlikely to be happening in this show’s fictional country of Westeros. But I also didn’t want to repeat the work I had already tried to do with other bleak, saga television, like “The Walking Dead.” Other people were going to have to watch the show for me.
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i think the problem is that they definitely did steps 1-7. But they missed out on steps 8 and 9 and went straight to 10. Dany didn't do something morally questionable prior to this so it falls flat for some. Again a casualty to the shorter episode length. I think if they showed the journey to King's Landing, with them stopping over at, I don't know, the Riverlands and Dany demanding piety while also claiming to be a liberator and ending up burning people who don't bend the knee - not soldiers, not lords, but civilians - it would be that "oh shit" moment that would have led to proper build up. Instead, they teleported around the map and the character development suffered.
Because right now a lot of people saying this is out of character are saying her past kills are justified. She needs that one morally questionable kill before the big bang. To me, that morally questionable kill is burning the Tarley's. But many of her defenders consider that justified between they wouldn't bend the knee during wartime.
i think the problem is that they definitely did steps 1-7. But they missed out on steps 8 and 9 and went straight to 10. Dany didn't do something morally questionable prior to this so it falls flat for some. Again a casualty to the shorter episode length. I think if they showed the journey to King's Landing, with them stopping over at, I don't know, the Riverlands and Dany demanding piety while also claiming to be a liberator and ending up burning people who don't bend the knee - not soldiers, not lords, but civilians - it would be that "oh shit" moment that would have led to proper build up. Instead, they teleported around the map and the character development suffered.
Because right now a lot of people saying this is out of character are saying her past kills are justified. She needs that one morally questionable kill before the big bang. To me, that morally questionable kill is burning the Tarley's. But many of her defenders consider that justified between they wouldn't bend the knee during wartime.
Dany: I want to burn things for my throne
Tyrion:You probably shouldn't
Dany: Advisor said I shouldn't do it so I won't do it
*Advisor loses 3 alliances and a significant portion of her fleet*
Tyrion: When you hear the bells pls stop
Dany:
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PS: she's not mad, she realized she can only go the usurper way, which means gaining the throne by bloodshed.
I’m not saying I agree with them. Just that their criticism makes sense.
I agree. That doesn’t mean it also wasn’t rushed too.Yeah, I feel we're missing one episode, because having the consequences of these actions and conclusion crammed in one episode... i don't quite see it. But i'll wait and see, then we can conclude if it was worth the effort.
no one is saying she's not been nuts dumdum, people are saying that spontaneously burning down an entire city of innocent peasants is out of character.
Finally caught up. This is what happens when you raise a generation on Marvel movies.
no one is saying she's not been nuts dumdum, people are saying that spontaneously burning down an entire city of innocent peasants is out of character.
She doesn't see them as innocents. She sees them as essentially having committed treason by going to King's Landing and accepting Cersei's protection.
Now there's a good chance D&D explain it in an interview with "oh yeah she was PMSing real bad that's how women get" but still.
https://youtu.be/QCHlCiB98N4Nice. Could have gone with Fight Fire with Fire as an alternative version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7m6HP95EDM
fan rewrite of Episode 8 that basically has the same outcomes but where things actually make sense and are carry more emotional weight (https://v2krules.blogspot.com/2019/05/game-of-thrones-season-8-episode-5.html)
the last few seasons are a fanfic you dumb bitchHahahahaha so salty af
I have nothjng against the writers
I have nothjng against the writers
no shit :lol
STOP ATTACKING MY DADDIES D. WEISS & BENIHOFF
:crybaby :nintendo
Hahahahaha so salty af
I have nothjng against the writers, some of you seem to have some sort of personal beef for writing less than you expected.
Cry me a fucking river you little bitch.
Its a tv show not the word of god, oh noes the last season has a slight dip in quality now I'll go watch endless fanfic on Youtube and bitch about it ad nauseum :yuck :lol
the last few seasons are a fanfic you dumb bitchImplying D&D are "fans". ::)
https://youtu.be/tuvVtuPQ180
https://youtu.be/dJIj9L_NU2Q
So tomorrow's the date and I'm so nervous! I'm excited too but something I've been following for 10+ years is finally ending. I'm somehow surprisingly nervous. :(
In the video, she says Arya is a feminist model.
How?
Arya is a broken person.
Arya is a feminist model. Arya is a broken person.
So tomorrow's the date and I'm so nervous! I'm excited too but something I've been following for 10+ years is finally ending. I'm somehow surprisingly nervous. :(
I started reading the books in 2003ish
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I'm honestly happy it's gonna be over and done with. The last two seasons especially have been disappointing but eh, whatever. TITS N DRAGONS, WHEEEEEEE.
let's do this. Burn it all down :rejoice
let's do this. Burn it all down :rejoice
In for Mad Dany and fuckery.
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You two were at each others' throats all week and now you're both hyped up to watch the wicked witch of essos flip a bitch
when drogon melts the throne instead of eating jon lol
bran is king :dead
sansa declares independence and bran just nods because he's made into a giant dad to his sister, showing exactly what kind of king he will be :dead :dead :dead
I still can't get over Drogon flying off into the sunset with Dany's corpse
:dead
The Unsullied were the most ideologically devout of any faction and after losing their Dragon Goddess and liberator, they decide to start Liberia
The Unsullied were the most ideologically devout of any faction and after losing their Dragon Goddess and liberator, they decide to start Liberia
I'm fine with Jon's ending. He ends where he began.
I liked the ending besides Greyworm not getting offed. The fucker.
https://twitter.com/Ninja/status/1130298612368498691
good lord.
this is the greatest fall of a television show I have ever witnessed, and that includes Dexter
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Real question, how can Tyrion be Lord of Casterly Rock and Hand of the King simultaneously?this literally happened in the show before
The Unsullied were the most ideologically devout of any faction and after losing their Dragon Goddess and liberator, they decide to start Liberia
I liked the ending and I felt they explained Dany as bluntly as possible. She wasn't insane, she just knew how to justify her actions.The Unsullied were the most ideologically devout of any faction and after losing their Dragon Goddess and liberator, they decide to start Liberia
I googled that while watching and apparently Naath is where Missandei is from, apparently they talked about going there after the war but no one could be expected to remember that line from a few episodes ago.
I'm wondering what the goal of the Unsullied is now, keep fighting slavers or live life? Obviously, the ending leaves a lot of room for the rumored GoT spin-offs.
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Let's pour one out for the following book plot lines/characters that we know will go nowhere:
Fake Aegon and John Connington
Penny the Dwarf
Victarion Greyjoy
Harry the Heir
Jeyne Poole
The Iron Bank
The Magic Horns
Warging
Aurane Waters (although I guess TV Show Euron was really this guy)
DARK STAR
Arianne Martell
Long live Grey Worm and his global people's war. #JDPON (https://i.imgur.com/ZyRg8jo.png)
Nie pozwalam :bolo
Real question, how can Tyrion be Lord of Casterly Rock and Hand of the King simultaneously?
TFW none of the big mysteries that George RR Martin spent thousands of pages building up amount to a single important plot point.
Seinfeld has a worse ending than this.I’ll take your word for it. I have only watched the finale once, and over twenty years ago.
Like, they spent the last two episodes clearly demonstrating that all enemies of the queen are to be summarily executed... and then someone KILLS their queen and he's all like "Woah Woah guys take this man to jail. we must observe due process!"
Seinfeld has a worse ending than this.
Like, they spent the last two episodes clearly demonstrating that all enemies of the queen are to be summarily executed... and then someone KILLS their queen and he's all like "Woah Woah guys take this man to jail. we must observe due process!"
Power dynamics influence the calculus behind morally questionable actions, who knew?
Like, they spent the last two episodes clearly demonstrating that all enemies of the queen are to be summarily executed... and then someone KILLS their queen and he's all like "Woah Woah guys take this man to jail. we must observe due process!"
Power dynamics influence the calculus behind morally questionable actions, who knew?
Hard to imagine a 180 degree pivot from mass murder to deep respect for the rule of law in the immediate moment of their figure heads death, but ok.
My only true disappointment is that fat fuck and his dumb inbred wife weren’t horribly and brutally mutilated on screen.
As a northeasterner/New Englander who's always sympathized with the North and the Starks because of it, I've fully come around to supporting the finale on the basis of the North's independence and Sansa's crowning alone. :rejoice
My only true disappointment is that fat fuck and his dumb inbred wife weren’t horribly and brutally mutilated on screen.
Who?
that's not hard to imagine at all
the politics in mah dragon show aren't believable!
As a northeasterner/New Englander who's always sympathized with the North and the Starks because of it, I've fully come around to supporting the finale on the basis of the North's independence and Sansa's crowning alone. :rejoice
Nothing says free and wild north quite like New England. :doge
That image is inaccurate, everything should be Serbia. :ufupAs a northeasterner/New Englander who's always sympathized with the North and the Starks because of it, I've fully come around to supporting the finale on the basis of the North's independence and Sansa's crowning alone. :rejoice
Nothing says free and wild north quite like New England. :doge
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(https://i.imgur.com/k4xdkx3.jpg)That image is inaccurate, everything should be Serbia. :ufup
OK my collected thoughts:
- I got a laugh out of how they basically had Daeny repeat all of the things she'd said over 7 seasons that were clear warnings that she was willing to go scorched earth. I know the episode was created and edited ages ago but it was almost like a direct response to the last ep backlash lol
- I loved all of the imagery of crazy Daeny.. shit was just creepy as hell, the dragon behind her with the wings and all that. :delicious
- People are whining about Jon being allowed to have a sword when visiting Daeny but him giving it up when he visits Tyrion but ehh... they made a point to show that Drogon was guarding Daeny not the Unsullied, and he let him pass.
- Drogon melting the iron throne was kind of corny but also made for a cool scene; I guess he kind of agreed with Jon then?
- The very end was kind of messy... I agree John not being executed is kind of far fetched, and really so is Tyrion being left alive but whatever..
- The scene where they pick Bran was corny as hell but I got a bit of a kick out of it.. very Lord of the Rings-y or something.
- I dug the very very end showing the path all of the Starks are taking.
That's about it; I enjoyed it.. found it slightly boring.. but that probably had something to do with shitbird shosta spoiling the ending for me a few hours before I watched it.
As a northeasterner/New Englander who's always sympathized with the North and the Starks because of it, I've fully come around to supporting the finale on the basis of the North's independence and Sansa's crowning alone. :rejoice
Nothing says free and wild north quite like New England. :doge
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"Whoever has the best story should be on the Iron Throne."
Literally half the characters: "Uhhh"
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lol you didn't find all the fascist-y Dany imagery a bit on the nose?
Also, I may hate myself enough to rewatch it, but it felt like Tyrion was recapping all the fan criticisms in his speech about how he believed in Dany. :lol
Also, I may hate myself enough to rewatch it, but it felt like Tyrion was recapping all the fan criticisms in his speech about how he believed in Dany. :lol
I can't get over the "best story" thing right now. I know it was probably an intentional swerve to maybe imply Tyrion was still setting up Jon, but I mean... is *nobody* in that assembly going to mention the guy who came back from the dead and was a secret Targaryen the whole time, whose origins triggered Robert's Rebellion and had to be kept secret for twenty years... Nobody's going to bring any of that up? No?
Cause that's a great novel all on its own. Bran's story on its own would end up in the Young Adult section.
Instead it's Bran (who, to be fair, is one of my favorite characters and has been from the start) who went North of the wall, got memories from a tree dude, and then did literally nothing else the entire season except give updates on the White Walker's location... then come the big battle the most he does it get bitchslapped out of raven-warging by the NK and then sit around some more.
I can't get over the "best story" thing right now. I know it was probably an intentional swerve to maybe imply Tyrion was still setting up Jon, but I mean... is *nobody* in that assembly going to mention the guy who came back from the dead and was a secret Targaryen the whole time, whose origins triggered Robert's Rebellion and had to be kept secret for twenty years... Nobody's going to bring any of that up? No?
Cause that's a great novel all on its own. Bran's story on its own would end up in the Young Adult section.
Instead it's Bran (who, to be fair, is one of my favorite characters and has been from the start) who went North of the wall, got memories from a tree dude, and then did literally nothing else the entire season except give updates on the White Walker's location... then come the big battle the most he does it get bitchslapped out of raven-warging by the NK and then sit around some more.
because naming jon king also means war with the unsullied.
also, he was a queenslayer which we know from jamies storyarc is kind of a big deal in westeros
Since Jon disqualified himself by killing Dany and there were no other strong rulers everyone could abide, they needed a weak one. Makes sense to me.
“I cried,” Clarke says. “And I went for a walk. I walked out of the house and took my keys and phone and walked back with blisters on my feet. I didn’t come back for five hours. I’m like, ‘How am I going to do this?’”
”I have my own feelings [about the storyline] and it’s peppered with my feelings about myself,” she admits. “It’s gotten to that point now where you read [comments about] the character you [have to remind yourself], ‘They’re not talking about you, Emilia, they’re talking about the character.”
“You go on set and play a badass and you walk through fire and that became the thing that saved me from considering my own mortality,” she wrote. Clarke has drawn strength from Daenerys and infused Daenerys with her strength.
“I genuinely did this, and it’s embarrassing and I’m going to admit it to you,” Clarke says. “I called my mom and—“ Clarke shifts into a tearful voice to perform the conversation as she reenacts the call: “I read the scripts and I don’t want to tell you what happens but can you just talk me off this ledge? It really messed me up.’ And then I asked my mom and brother really weird questions. They were like: ‘What are you asking us this for? What do you mean do I think Daenerys is a good person? Why are you asking us that question? Why do you care what people think of Daenerys? Are you okay?’” “And I’m all: ‘I’m fine! … But is there anything Daenerys could do that would make you hate her?’”
“Your character makes a choice and you need to be right with that. An actor should never be afraid to look ugly. We have uglier sides to ourselves. And after 10 years of working on this show, it’s logical. Where else can she go? I tried to think what the ending will be. It’s not like she’s suddenly going to go, ‘Okay, I’m gonna put a kettle on and put cookies in the oven and we’ll just sit down and have a lovely time and pop a few kids out.’ That was never going to happen. She’s a Targaryen.”
“I thought she was going to die,” she continues. “I feel very taken care of as a character in that sense. It’s a very beautiful and touching ending. Hopefully, what you’ll see in that last moment as she’s dying is: There’s the vulnerability — there’s the little girl you met in season 1. See? She’s right there. And now, she’s not there anymore…”
Apparently Emilia didn't know about Daenerys' turn until this season. How is that even remotely possible? How do you not tell her like two seasons ago her characters trajectory so you can plan it all out?
Tasty is spot on. The entire time of the White Council, I was waiting for someone to bring up Jon's lineage. At least bring it up. Nope. Nothin'That may be the reason why Jon is still alive, killing him would trigger another conflict and the Dothraki and Unsullied aren't ready to fight again. King's Landing doesn't exactly have walls or supplies left anymore.
The creator and head writer of Game Of Thrones, David Benioff’s father is: Stephen Friedman. According to Wikipedia::o
“From December 2002 to December 2004 Friedman was United States Assistant to President George W. Bush for Economic Policy as well as the director of the National Economic Council.[14] On October 27, 2005 Friedman was asked to replace Brent Scowcroft as the Chairman of the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board.[15]
“Friedman was the Chairman of the New York Federal Reserve Board, a body which implements the Wall Street policies of the Federal Reserve, during a period of immense financial market upheaval, from January 2008 until May 7, 2009.[16] When Goldman Sachs was converted to a bank holding company in September 2008 the bank then came under the regulatory authority of the New York Fed, which made Friedman’s position as a member of Goldman Sachs’ board a violation of Federal Reserve policy. At the time of the conversion Friedman requested a waiver from this violation, which was granted about 10 weeks later.[17].”
I was repulsed by the program from the start, and, even before I happened upon the facts above, I would ask fans of the show: How is it possible to fail to notice or ignore the themes of GOTs, as is the case with almost all content manufactured by Hollywood, reek of privilege and is reactionary at its core? Withal, the creators of program’s privilegecratic (self-serving) conceit: The world’s (as they limn it) cold, hard, and unforgiving landscape must be mirrored in the psychical landscapes of the ruling elite — who grasp, humanity is hideous and base, and they, the elites, must protect the lower castes, even by ruthless means and “noble lies?”
In short, the highly insular and privileged world and attendant Weltanschauung of neoliberal/neocon ideology of which David Benioff was born into. Worse, why does it not rankle that Benioff et. al. lack the intellectual curiosity to explore beyond its insular precincts and the creative chops to limn — if not art — at least, compelling entertainment?
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D&D MADE EMILIA CLARK CRY
Quote“I cried,” Clarke says. “And I went for a walk. I walked out of the house and took my keys and phone and walked back with blisters on my feet. I didn’t come back for five hours. I’m like, ‘How am I going to do this?’”Quote
”I have my own feelings [about the storyline] and it’s peppered with my feelings about myself,” she admits. “It’s gotten to that point now where you read [comments about] the character you [have to remind yourself], ‘They’re not talking about you, Emilia, they’re talking about the character.”
“You go on set and play a badass and you walk through fire and that became the thing that saved me from considering my own mortality,” she wrote. Clarke has drawn strength from Daenerys and infused Daenerys with her strength.
“I genuinely did this, and it’s embarrassing and I’m going to admit it to you,” Clarke says. “I called my mom and—“ Clarke shifts into a tearful voice to perform the conversation as she reenacts the call: “I read the scripts and I don’t want to tell you what happens but can you just talk me off this ledge? It really messed me up.’ And then I asked my mom and brother really weird questions. They were like: ‘What are you asking us this for? What do you mean do I think Daenerys is a good person? Why are you asking us that question? Why do you care what people think of Daenerys? Are you okay?’” “And I’m all: ‘I’m fine! … But is there anything Daenerys could do that would make you hate her?’”
“Your character makes a choice and you need to be right with that. An actor should never be afraid to look ugly. We have uglier sides to ourselves. And after 10 years of working on this show, it’s logical. Where else can she go? I tried to think what the ending will be. It’s not like she’s suddenly going to go, ‘Okay, I’m gonna put a kettle on and put cookies in the oven and we’ll just sit down and have a lovely time and pop a few kids out.’ That was never going to happen. She’s a Targaryen.”
“I thought she was going to die,” she continues. “I feel very taken care of as a character in that sense. It’s a very beautiful and touching ending. Hopefully, what you’ll see in that last moment as she’s dying is: There’s the vulnerability — there’s the little girl you met in season 1. See? She’s right there. And now, she’s not there anymore…”
POOR EMILIA :tocry
we have to give it up for the actors and actresses who went through all of this
Sansa had the best arc and the Starks won the game of thrones.
Sansa had the best arc and the Starks won the game of thrones.
In the sense that their house wasn't extinguished, sure, but:
1. Jon is exiled to (to continue the Serbia metaphor) die Militärgrenze and our last image of him is leading the unwanted masses back into the wilderness. #Moshe
2. Arya's PTSD is so bad that she abandons two siblings who could use her skills to solidify their respective (uncertain) bases of power to go Magellan.
3. In a best case scenario Bran will be a Leto Atreides II figure whose concerns increasingly drift into the etheric and ethereal while his court’s ambitions remain mortal and mundane. In a more likely scenario he will oversee a polity that isn't economically viable (the Rock, Stormlands, and Iron Islands are explicitly nonviable at the end of the show and the crown had public finance issues even before it was riven by a series of existential and internecine conflicts) that is constantly beset by intrigue and overly ambitious fief holders.
4. Sansa fulfilled her brother's ambition of an independent north but she did so in the immediate aftermath of a series of existential and internecine conflicts that acutely affected her lands which as it happens aren't exactly The Reach. In a best case scenario her reign will be something akin to the last Tudor monarch (to continue the War of the Roses metaphor this dumb show was built upon) and in a worst case scenario one of her dumb fail relatives will usurp her because despite all their protestations of moral rectitude the denizens of the north are just as perfidious as everyone else. (To say nothing of having a long-term cold war with the Six Kingdoms.)
If the nobles get together and elect a king after the old one dies then really the king has been made into a figurehead monarch, while the six noble houses plot and scheme to distribute wealth and power amongst themselves. It makes sense that Bran is king in that capacity. Not sure why Sansa would want to be independent, then - she loses her vote as a noble and the real power she has by having a large standing army relative to the other holds. The Iron Fleet is completely destroyed, right? And House Frey has no heirs, leaving Riverrun unoccupied? So, really, Queen Sansa can extend her sphere of influence all the way from Winterfell to Casterly Rock after she forces Tyrion to give it to her, which she can do because he has no soft or hard power available to him. And if Tyrion wants to defend it then he's going to have to ask Bronn of Highgarden (this still makes me lol), who would just take it for himself or at least a large portion in exchange, so there's no situation here where Tyrion doesn't lose most if not all of his title.
I guess what I'm saying here is that, aside from the nonexistent character development which you can just imagine if you close your eyes, there are huge power vacuums and new dynamics that deserve even just the slightest elaboration.
And House Frey has no heirs, leaving Riverrun unoccupied?
Riverrunis ruled by the Tullys, not the Freys. The Freys were a vassal house that temporarily usurped after the Red Wedding.spoiler (click to show/hide)past Eve and Adam's, from swerve of shore to bend of bay, brings us by a commodius vicus of recirculation back to Howth Castle and Environs[close]
Oh, so what you're saying is that Bran is a puppet monarch that keeps the six kingdoms under foreign domination of house stark :hmph
lol imagine all the commoners who aren't privy to all the plot details, the Bran being clairvoyant three eyed raven, Jon being a Targ, etc.are all thinking wtf just happened. Why'd they make the crippled Stark boy king?
:huh
Nah, he's going to be bran the builder II and bring peace and prosperity to the war savaged kingdom and be the most adored ruler in westeros since the dawn of man.
Nah, he's going to be bran the builder II and bring peace and prosperity to the war savaged kingdom and be the most adored ruler in westeros since the dawn of man.
I was *just* thinking of Bran the Builder parallels.
lol imagine all the commoners
Dope finale I liked it especially Jon stabbing Dany YEAH BOYYY KING IN THE NORTHI guess we don't have to imagine!
lol imagine all the commonersDope finale I liked it especially Jon stabbing Dany YEAH BOYYY KING IN THE NORTHI guess we don't have to imagine!
For all you nerds who also read the books, how much does the plot differ?
And why is GRRM so fucking lazy?
It's ridiculous that Sansa wouldn't quietly reinstate Jon after they all packed up and left. What are the Unsullied going to do? Good luck to a bunch of spearmen trying to get past Moat Cailin.
It's ridiculous that Sansa wouldn't quietly reinstate Jon after they all packed up and left. What are the Unsullied going to do? Good luck to a bunch of spearmen trying to get past Moat Cailin.aw yeah sorry big brother, nothing I can do, real travesty that, I'll keep the seat warm for you in case things change yeah?
lol imagine all the commonersDope finale I liked it especially Jon stabbing Dany YEAH BOYYY KING IN THE NORTHI guess we don't have to imagine!
Shows over
Close thread plz
But it's kinda what Jon wants so whatever lolobligatory
Unfortunately, whether the final episode is good or not I feel it will be divisive.
You have:
- People who think this should end like a Disney movie
- Cynical book readers
- Cynical tv watchers
- People who have legitimate criticisms but seem to be overblowing them
- Generic fantasy fans who expect LOTR
- People who are ride or die hardcore
- People who just want to see it all burn
- People that have realistic expectations of the show
- Casual fans
- Theorists
- People who bitch about everything no matter how good or bad it is
- Some of us have been watching for one year and binge watched it because of the hype for the last season
- the rest of us have been a fan of the books and show for a decade plus
And we're all in one big pot.
In other words...
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Won’t the remaining dothraki rape and kill Bran like a week after he takes the throne since he’s all weak and shit?
Dude actually does seem to write a lot, and we can see that in all the other material he's published outside ASoIaF in addition to all the Winds chapters he's read at cons, etc.
Problem is even by his own admittence, Winds is way too long and the publishers are basically begging him to split it up some how.
I'm sure a big part of him doing supplemental stuff is because he wrote himself into a few holes though, but at least he ironically has the show now to maybe help him out of them. :lol
If the nobles get together and elect a king after the old one dies then really the king has been made into a figurehead monarch, while the six noble houses plot and scheme to distribute wealth and power amongst themselves.
For all you nerds who also read the books, how much does the plot differ? And why is GRRM so fucking lazy?
Otakon is an even better parallel than Meryl.
I still don't understand how Sam became a Grandmaester without a single ring.
For all you nerds who also read the books, how much does the plot differ? And why is GRRM so fucking lazy?
Lotta differences in how characters are portrayed. Like Stannis is way different (and fucking awesome) and still alive in the book. Book Jaime is pretty different too. Also a lot of other characters and their arcs.
I mean the thing is if you just enjoy the character arcs along the way, the book has like double the cast and that's a bunch of good stories you don't get in the show. Like Quentyn Martell in Book 5 is a fun arc that is missing from the show.
I kinda want GRRM to get pissed at the show spoiling his old concept outline and just make a lot of things even more different because of that. Like don't bring Jon back (since the last book ended cliffhanger on his assassination) lol, that'd be hilarious. Or have him be a wolf for the rest of the series or something.
Or say fuck all these losers and let Stannis sit on the throne in the end. Hell, if he makes it past Winterfell in the books and closer to endgame I'll be happy.
I put a question mark there. I really meant for that thread though, didn't word that well. lol
Speaking of power vacuums, is there a single lord in either realm that is on par with Sansa for her hand in marriage? You could say Bronn or fucking Gendry but it seems to me that Sansa would be marrying beneath her station.
I mean her brother is King of the 6 Kingdoms, I'm sure he can commandeer a boat for her.You mean, after Davos has a back and forth with Bronn about if they should fund ships or brothels?
Entire thing was a bit silly but where she got the boat from is hardly some unsolved mystery.
Guys, the North is not part of the 6 Kingdoms.
Guys, the North is not part of the 6 Kingdoms.
In name only.
Kara, please tell this ignoramus about the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. ::)
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Seeing plenty of “sorry that your dragon show sucked” memes around. I hate implication that a story sucks if it has dragons in it. :(
Seeing plenty of “sorry that your dragon show sucked” memes around. I hate implication that a story sucks if it has dragons in it. :(
Drop some facts and logic on them and bring up a little piece of art called Dragon Ball. :hmph
(https://preview.redd.it/cngi31n6saz21.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=8cc611f9930a1e516b42d685772730d78396cf76)>Start post with proof of Grey Worm's teleporting abilities.
- In the exciting scene where Bran unexpectedly turns King they placed him in the middle of the group. Already in the position of the King.
- Bran says to Tyrion at Winterfell: "I can't be a lord of anything I'm the 3 eyed raven now" in Kings Landing he says: "Why do you think I came all the way here?"
- Grey Worm leaves the 7 Kingdoms forever. Thus Jon didn't have to be exiled. Grey Worm wouldn't have known if Jon came back.
- Sansa is crowned Queen of the North. Yet Bran has no crown.
Seeing plenty of “sorry that your dragon show sucked” memes around. I hate implication that a story sucks if it has dragons in it. :(
Kara you're forgetting Puff the Magic Dragon too :tocry
Finale was meh. Show ended up being ok-good. First 4 seasons were great, 5 and 6 were good, 7 had good moments, and 8... 8 was a thing that happened.this is my thought as well. I'm laying all the Shit stuff on grrm not having any idea how anyone was going to get to the ending.
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For all you nerds who also read the books, how much does the plot differ? And why is GRRM so fucking lazy?
GRRM being nice and thanking everyone
http://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2019/05/20/an-ending/
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There was a rumor a couple months back about GRRM working with Fromsoft. Guess it's true :rejoice
And I’m writing. Winter is coming, I told you, long ago… and so it is. THE WINDS OF WINTER is very late, I know, I know, but it will be done. I won’t say when, I’ve tried that before, only to burn you all and jinx myself… but I will finish it, and then will come A DREAM OF SPRING.
How will it all end? I hear people asking. The same ending as the show? Different?
Well… yes. And no. And yes. And no. And yes. And no. And yes.
I am working in a very different medium than David and Dan, never forget. They had eight hours for this final season. I expect these last two books of mine will fill 3000 manuscript pages between them before I’m done… and if more pages and chapters and scenes are needed, I’ll add them. And of course the butterfly effect will be at work as well; those of you who follow this Not A Blog will know that I’ve been talking about that since season one. There are characters who never made it onto the screen at all, and others who died in the show but still live in the books… so if nothing else, the readers will learn what happened to Jeyne Poole, Lady Stoneheart, Penny and her pig, Skahaz Shavepate, Arianne Martell, Darkstar, Victarion Greyjoy, Ser Garlan the Gallant, Aegon VI, and a myriad of other characters both great and small that viewers of the show never had the chance to meet. And yes, there will be unicorns… of a sort…
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GRRM being nice and thanking everyone
http://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2019/05/20/an-ending/
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There was a rumor a couple months back about GRRM working with Fromsoft. Guess it's true :rejoice
Lot of words about nothing:QuoteAnd I’m writing. Winter is coming, I told you, long ago… and so it is. THE WINDS OF WINTER is very late, I know, I know, but it will be done. I won’t say when, I’ve tried that before, only to burn you all and jinx myself… but I will finish it, and then will come A DREAM OF SPRING.
How will it all end? I hear people asking. The same ending as the show? Different?
Well… yes. And no. And yes. And no. And yes. And no. And yes.
I am working in a very different medium than David and Dan, never forget. They had eight hours for this final season. I expect these last two books of mine will fill 3000 manuscript pages between them before I’m done… and if more pages and chapters and scenes are needed, I’ll add them. And of course the butterfly effect will be at work as well; those of you who follow this Not A Blog will know that I’ve been talking about that since season one. There are characters who never made it onto the screen at all, and others who died in the show but still live in the books… so if nothing else, the readers will learn what happened to Jeyne Poole, Lady Stoneheart, Penny and her pig, Skahaz Shavepate, Arianne Martell, Darkstar, Victarion Greyjoy, Ser Garlan the Gallant, Aegon VI, and a myriad of other characters both great and small that viewers of the show never had the chance to meet. And yes, there will be unicorns… of a sort…
Fucker will die before the series is done. lmao.
Also double lmao at learning about the pilot that was SO FUCKING BAD that it's not the actual first episode.
Yo, who cares about Winds - imagine a Sekiro swordplay game with fucking KNIGHTS and shit!
Yo, who cares about Winds - imagine a Sekiro swordplay game with fucking KNIGHTS and shit!From Soft already had 4 European fantasy ARPGs, can't say a slightly different flavor in the items text would excite me at all.
As much as I had issues with game of thrones I’m really fucking sad it’s over now. Holy God I’m gonna be a mess when I beat Shenmue III.You really think S3 will finish the story?
GRRM being nice and thanking everyone
http://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2019/05/20/an-ending/
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There was a rumor a couple months back about GRRM working with Fromsoft. Guess it's true :rejoice
As much as I had issues with game of thrones I’m really fucking sad it’s over now. Holy God I’m gonna be a mess when I beat Shenmue III.You really think S3 will finish the story?
Wait, so what was the correlation with GoT ending? ???As much as I had issues with game of thrones I’m really fucking sad it’s over now. Holy God I’m gonna be a mess when I beat Shenmue III.You really think S3 will finish the story?
Never said that would.
This is why the battles in season eight follow a logical path from an external opposition to the inner split: the defeat of the inhuman Night Army, the defeat of Lannisters and the destruction of King’s Landing; the last struggle between the Starks and Daenerys – ultimately between traditional “good” nobility (Starks) faithfully protecting their subjects from bad tyrants, and Daenerys as a new type of a strong leader, a kind of progressive bonapartist acting on behalf of the underprivileged.
The stakes in the final conflict are thus: should the revolt against tyranny be just a fight for the return of the old kinder version of the same hierarchical order, or should it develop into the search for a new order that is needed?
The finale combines the rejection of a radical change with an old anti-feminist motif at work in Wagner. For Wagner, there is nothing more disgusting than a woman who intervenes in political life, driven by the desire for power. In contrast to male ambition, a woman wants power in order to promote her own narrow family interests or, even worse, her personal caprice, incapable as she is of perceiving the universal dimension of state politics.
But – let’s bite our sour apple now – what about Daenerys’ murderous outbursts? Can the ruthless killing of the thousands of ordinary people in King’s Landing really be justified as a necessary step to universal freedom? At this point, we should remember that the scenario was written by two men.
Daenerys as the Mad Queen is strictly a male fantasy, so the critics were right when they pointed out that her descent into madness was psychologically not justified. The view of Daenerys with mad-furious expression flying on a dragon and burning houses and people expresses patriarchal ideology with its fear of a strong political woman.
The final destiny of the leading women in Game of Thrones fits these coordinates. Even if the good Daenerys wins and destroys the bad Cersei, power corrupts her. Arya (who saved them all by single-handedly killing the Night King) also disappears, sailing to the West of the West (as if to colonise America).
The one who remains (as the queen of the autonomous kingdom of the North) is Sansa, a type of women beloved by today’s capitalism: she combines feminine softness and understanding with a good dose of intrigue, and thus fully fits the new power relations. This marginalisation of women is a key moment of the general liberal-conservative lesson of the finale: revolutions have to go wrong, they bring new tyranny, or, as Jon put it to Daenerys:
“The people who follow you know that you made something impossible happen. Maybe that helps them believe that you can make other impossible things happen: build a world that’s different from the shit one they’ve always known. But if you use dragons to melt castles and burn cities, you’re no different.”
So justice prevailed – but what kind of justice? The new king is Bran: crippled, all-knowing, who wants nothing – with the evocation of the insipid wisdom that the best rulers are those who do not want power. A dismissive laughter that ensues when one of the new elite proposes a more democratic selection of the king tells it all.
And one cannot help but note that those faithful to Daenerys to the end are more diverse – her military commander is black – while the new rulers are clearly white Nordic. The radical queen who wanted more freedom for everyone irrespective of their social standing and race is eliminated, things are brought back to normal.
Daenerys as the Mad Queen is strictly a male fantasy, so the critics were right when they pointed out that her descent into madness was psychologically not justified. The view of Daenerys with mad-furious expression flying on a dragon and burning houses and people expresses patriarchal ideology with its fear of a strong political woman.
man, I'm with agrajag now. khaleesi's story was fucked good. jon snow's story was fucked good. winter was fucked good. I know this isn't really high fantasy but years ago I was looking forward to the Azor Ahai resurrection / REAL Lightbringer prophecy culminating with Jon Snow's heroic arc and Daenerys' justice arc.
Maybe Jon Snow is supposed to kill Daenerys - but how about as the ultimate sacrifice to bring out Lightbringer's power to defeat the Night King, like in the legend? Maybe King's Landing was supposed to be destroyed, like in Dany's vision - but how about not retconning snow into ash, and letting the Night King kill Cersei instead? Take every lesson from the story and make it add up to something.
Maybe the show could've been good?
Stop projecting your hopes & dreams from the books into the fucking showThis is going to blow your tiny dutch brain, but the show is based on the books
:lol
" Hey guys maybe this should have happened! Or this instead! I was really looking forward to discovering more about ... from the books! Maybe the show could have gone in this direction instead?"
Lulz
Alternative outcome:
- The council meets to pick a new King
Sansa: "John is and was the Rightful heir. If Dany had known her place she would've still lived. He should be our king"
Davos: "I fought and died for Stannis Baratheon because I believed he was the prince that was promised. I don't know much about magic and prophecies but I do know that Jon Snow is our promised King"
Grey Worm: "Jon Snow cannot be King"
Tyrion: "Daenerys burned Varys and with him, she burned reason. You would've fought and died for nothing had she still lived"
Sam: "I watched Jon die and then I watched him come back from the dead. He has a mission and I believe that Mission is to be our King"
etc.
What we got was:
Tyrion thinks: "Oh dear, guess these idiots can't decide on a King. Let's see, Bronn still wants my head so who is easy to manipulate and won't care about anything that is going on."
Tyrion: "ALL HAIL BRAN THE BROKEN!"
All: "What about Jon tho?"
Bran: "Fuck him, Just send him to the wall"
Stop projecting your hopes & dreams from the books into the fucking showThis is going to blow your tiny dutch brain, but the show is based on the books
:lol
" Hey guys maybe this should have happened! Or this instead! I was really looking forward to discovering more about ... from the books! Maybe the show could have gone in this direction instead?"
Lulz
Bran made Bronn the master of coin and the lord of Highgarden.Alternative outcome:
- The council meets to pick a new King
Sansa: "John is and was the Rightful heir. If Dany had known her place she would've still lived. He should be our king"
Davos: "I fought and died for Stannis Baratheon because I believed he was the prince that was promised. I don't know much about magic and prophecies but I do know that Jon Snow is our promised King"
Grey Worm: "Jon Snow cannot be King"
Tyrion: "Daenerys burned Varys and with him, she burned reason. You would've fought and died for nothing had she still lived"
Sam: "I watched Jon die and then I watched him come back from the dead. He has a mission and I believe that Mission is to be our King"
etc.
What we got was:
Tyrion thinks: "Oh dear, guess these idiots can't decide on a King. Let's see, Bronn still wants my head so who is easy to manipulate and won't care about anything that is going on."
Tyrion: "ALL HAIL BRAN THE BROKEN!"
All: "What about Jon tho?"
Bran: "Fuck him, Just send him to the wall"
Really? The three eyed Raven? Easy to manipulate?
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wow, the writers are so clever Bran the Broken parallels our own leader by hiring the best people
:trumps
edit: fuck your Kenny
Would have liked for Jon to be king in the end too; but also liked how he ended up King North of the Wall as really that's more fitting for his character. Having people follow him despite not really trying to rule, and being the "King" of freefolk is a totally different type of "King" more fitting of Jon's personality.
Would have liked for Jon to be king in the end too; but also liked how he ended up King North of the Wall as really that's more fitting for his character. Having people follow him despite not really trying to rule, and being the "King" of freefolk is a totally different type of "King" more fitting of Jon's personality.
Yeah, with the caveat that he was doing a Johnny Utah at the time, Jon seemed most at home among the free folk.
https://twitter.com/WillSloanEsq/status/1130834448935727104
https://twitter.com/WillSloanEsq/status/1130834448935727104
https://twitter.com/WillSloanEsq/status/1130834448935727104
I think with online viewers this number is probably a lot higher, on both shows.
Ofcourse HBO is a pay to watch channel only, and a lot of people just download it.
The series ended after eight seasons in 1999. Richardson was offered $25 million to do a ninth season; Allen was offered $50 million. The two declined the offer and the series came to an end as a result.[5]
https://twitter.com/WillSloanEsq/status/1130834448935727104
I think with online viewers this number is probably a lot higher, on both shows.
Ofcourse HBO is a pay to watch channel only, and a lot of people just download it.QuoteThe series ended after eight seasons in 1999. Richardson was offered $25 million to do a ninth season; Allen was offered $50 million. The two declined the offer and the series came to an end as a result.[5]
:rejoice
The Home Improvement finale was so good, they begged Tim Allen to come back, but he respected the artistic vision of the writers too much to sully the show with a cash grab. :lawd
What would the cast look like?
And is it a reboot or a reboot with excessive violence and sex?
Either way, no.
https://twitter.com/WillSloanEsq/status/1130834448935727104
GoT is the most watched show in the world with over 100 million viewers. There’s the live watchers but there’s also the HBO Go watchers and pirates.
It’s the pirates that really boost its numbers with over 80-90 million downloads at last count.
It's a joke, not a serious post lolspoiler (click to show/hide)I remember being sad af that home improvement ended as a kid :'([close]
Spoilered in case Riotious wigs out(https://i.imgur.com/BOJFhzp.png)[close]
Do you guys really just think it's super kool that shosta spoiled the last episode by reading leaks and posting them in an unrelated thread hours before it aired?
Like the fact you guys are giving me grief for calling him out on that is some serious edgelord 12 year old shit.
So are we watching Chernobyl next guys?
https://youtu.be/s9APLXM9Ei8
https://twitter.com/cindtrillella/status/1130297061717544961
This thread is hilarious. Must read. She tears the series apart lmao
https://twitter.com/cindtrillella/status/1130297061717544961
This thread is hilarious. Must read. She tears the series apart lmao
That text message, I'm wheezing.
What would the cast look like?
And is it a reboot or a reboot with excessive violence and sex?
Either way, no.
I was thinking more Roseanne sequel
What would the cast look like?
And is it a reboot or a reboot with excessive violence and sex?
Either way, no.
I was thinking more Roseanne sequel
Home Improvement Season 9:
Tim's alt-right tool podcast gets banned from Facebook, his wife left him for Wilson, one or more of his sons have gotten gay married, and Al gets #MeToo'd by Heidi.
https://twitter.com/WISN_Watson/status/1130931040200077314
Describing Dany as a Bonapartist figure is an interesting observation but I'm not sure it's one I agree with. In Meereen she certainly attempted to mediate a revolution in individual freedoms and a profoundly reactionary culture, but she wasn't particularly successful in that endeavor and she only slid into such a course of action after it became apparent she was dealing with (to deliberately use the language of imperialism) an armed insurgency. Her time in Westeros was brief but there was never anything similar to that; her arc as a cautionary tale about legitimist movements seems a much more supportable argument.That seems congruent with the French experience, which was to experiment with tumultuous revolution for nearly a decade and then fall back on some French traditionalism (the concordat of 1801, authoritarianism, etc.) when problems arose. But more importantly the comparison to Bonoparte (which he explicitly diminishes as "a kind of progressive bonopartist") was to contrast her with the ancien regime of the starks and noble houses in general, the transition away from birthright politics, and the deliberate campaign to export a revolution. Hardly seems like a sloppy comparison to me.
2. I agree that the moral of the tale is quite conservative (the Six Kingdoms end with a literal philosopher king), but I'm a little surprised that Zizek didn't notice or chose not to write about how that conservativism in particular indicted democracy done outside the narrow confines of formal power. For example, I found it quite impressive (grading on the low curve television necessitates, obviously) that the sacking of King's Landing was explicitly depicted as a democratic action. Forces routinely ignored the commands of Jonny Utah (even our brave, noble, men of the north) to do some war crimes because they wanted to and the Unsullied have always been myrmidons by choice rather than by necessity. Sure the message itself is Nolan tier Tory drivel, but it was conveyed in such a manner that only the silliest Puritan type reads it as a fAlL oF mAn situation.I'm confused. You think the depiction of the sack was deliberately constructed, or at least unconsciously so, to demonstrate that participatory democracy is the same as anarchy? And that this is more likely than some soldiers just going nuts with bloodlust in a hastily written big budget tv finale? Because if so, you need to cite your sources (https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/05/game-of-thrones-peasants-powerful-war) (:yuck).
Actually read the Zizek article about the bad dragon show. Reading Zizek in 2019 (my god).
1. Describing Dany as a Bonapartist figure is an interesting observation but I'm not sure it's one I agree with. In Meereen she certainly attempted to mediate a revolution in individual freedoms and a profoundly reactionary culture, but she wasn't particularly successful in that endeavor and she only slid into such a course of action after it became apparent she was dealing with (to deliberately use the language of imperialism) an armed insurgency. Her time in Westeros was brief but there was never anything similar to that; her arc as a cautionary tale about legitimist movements seems a much more supportable argument.
2. I agree that the moral of the tale is quite conservative (the Six Kingdoms end with a literal philosopher king), but I'm a little surprised that Zizek didn't notice or chose not to write about how that conservativism in particular indicted democracy done outside the narrow confines of formal power. For example, I found it quite impressive (grading on the low curve television necessitates, obviously) that the sacking of King's Landing was explicitly depicted as a democratic action. Forces routinely ignored the commands of Jonny Utah (even our brave, noble, men of the north) to do some war crimes because they wanted to and the Unsullied have always been myrmidons by choice rather than by necessity. Sure the message itself is Nolan tier Tory drivel, but it was conveyed in such a manner that only the silliest Puritan type reads it as a fAlL oF mAn situation.
Say what you want about Bonaparte but he did install the Duchy of Warsaw.
Say what you want about Bonaparte but he did install the Duchy of Warsaw.
Which led from Prussian rule of law* to Russian tyranny and Saxon incompetence. :gurl
Remind me of how they ruined Sugar Cane Throne with Napo trying to re-enslave the population. WTF, totally inconsistent !
Say what you want about Bonaparte but he did install the Duchy of Warsaw.
Which led from Prussian rule of law* to Russian tyranny and Saxon incompetence. :gurl
That's because he used the default settings that included Bing Bar instead of doing a custom installation.
I didn't bother extensively watching this show (it's bad and always has been folks) but I tuned in for the last episode for shits and giggles to compare it with the eventual bad book ending and installing Bran as eternal philosopher king is peak nerd wishful thinking. It's like Dune with no Jihad. The Jordan Peterson ending.
The Napoleon comparison falls completely apart once you realize that there was no revolution in Mereen. It was a coup at best and an imperialist invasion at worst to remove a societal structure that she deemed to be inferior and savage. It's as asinine as saying that the government in Meereen past Daenerys was a metaphor for Vichy-France.Ah, so you didn't read it
Slavoj doing anything for a quick buck these days. :hhh
That' he resorts to almost Freudian depth psychology is such a stretch.
3/10 would not watch a IDW debate again.
Dry snitching on yourself like this :lol :lol :lol
Shout out to all these things having ZERO impact on the story
Tormund drank from that warhorn iirc
It’s like you missed that entire plot point and the 5 times I pointed it out. Without his lineage Dany never gets paranoid about people finding out, doesn’t get mad at people spreading the info, Dany doesn’t lose Jon as a lover, etc.
“I don’t think she decided ahead of time that she was going to do what she did,” Weiss says. “And then she sees the Red Keep, which is, to her, the home that her family built when they first came over to this country 300 years ago. It’s in that moment, on the walls of King’s Landing, when she’s looking at that symbol of everything that was taken from her, when she makes the decision to make this personal.”
Please read imy next thinkpiece on what Daenerys Targaryen and Hillary Clinton have in common.
Also, agra, are you aware that Weiss didn't actually WRITE the episodes?
Because he didn't.
Please read imy next thinkpiece on what Daenerys Targaryen and Hillary Clinton have in common.
No thanks, I'm waiting on a giant carepost historical materialist analysis of game of thrones from jake or shosta :rejoice
Also, agra, are you aware that Weiss didn't actually WRITE the episodes?
Because he didn't.
pretty sure he's on the writing credits, buddy
I checked the wrong episodes you are right about The Bells. They didn't write the entire season though.
lock this thread before it consumes us all
Death of the author. bitch. :punch
:girlaff :point
So they had her acting paranoid, losing sleep, looking like she needed concealer, burning Varys alive, being turned away by Jon and looking pissed as hell, declaring "Let it Be Fear" etc. all for nothing.. because in some stupid interview that isn't part of the show the show-runners said something dumb.
Her mental state before that had NOTHING to do with it.
She's been brutal and unforgiving to her enemies, like 99% of other GoT characters the entire season. She didn't have a psychotic breakdown until the last two episodes. You're a fucking fool.You may not have noticed it.
I blame the bellsAlso, agra, are you aware that Weiss didn't actually WRITE the episodes?
Because he didn't.
pretty sure he's on the writing credits, buddy
I checked the wrong episodes you are right about The Bells. They didn't write the entire season though.
they didn't write the first two episodes. Holy shit, you are slimy.
I looked at the first 2 and made an incorrect statement then corrected myself; why are you so angry bro?
The Dutch are per capita the worst posters on the internet
look at that other dutch simpleton trying to think :lol
Also, agra, are you aware that Weiss didn't actually WRITE the episodes?
Because he didn't.
pretty sure he's on the writing credits, buddy
I checked the wrong episodes you are right about The Bells. They didn't write the entire season though.
they didn't write the first two episodes. Holy shit, you are slimy.
I looked at the first 2 and made an incorrect statement then corrected myself; why are you so angry bro?
He edited and it's still wrong :dead
for the record, I was content with posting memes, and even defended Arya's arc somewhat, and then riotous got triggered by one of the parts in a meme and started reeeing all over the place.
Also, it is obvious to any but the most mentally limited of us that the build up and payoff of Jon's parents is thematically weak, not that it didn't play any part of the show whatsoever.
Lastly, mmarsa sit down, the grown ups are talking.
lock this thread before it consumes us all
You are all autystys to me. :heart
lock this thread before it consumes us all
so the six kingdoms are now ruled by a non-human entity with dark powers that's been alive for hundreds of years. I hope the commoners storm the red keep and burn Bran for witchcraft 8)
https://twitter.com/GenePark/status/1130984764645793792:dead
i can't believe it's over.You should just move on to something better than it... like Black Sails. :-*
i'm grieving at this point.
Turn this shit thread into a Home Improvement OT already.
Turn this shit thread into a Home Improvement OT already.
shut the fuck up already
i can't believe it's over.You should just move on to something better than it... like Black Sails. :-*
i'm grieving at this point.spoiler (click to show/hide)But really, Black Sails is criminally underrated.[close]
I am wondering if they are going go go forward with a live action Dragonlance adaptation without the dragon warfare looking completely tame and nerfed in comparison. Since GoT already put in everyone's minds how devastating and brutal dragons can be to a single city. In Dragonlance they wage wars with hundreds of dragons, who besides being as powerful as Dany's are also able to conjure magic spells. But I don't see that being rated anything higher than PG 13, and you also need to show the good guys beating the dragons.
Agreed, but I am not even talking about internal logic in GoT here. I'm talking about viewer expectations going forward. I just think the sacking of King's Landing is going to be this big, infamous event and maybe shifted the overton window on the expectation from dragon attacks going forward.I think the viewers (the intelligent ones anyway) sorta understand now that big fires and hundreds of CGI puppets don't equal 'stakes' or 'caring'. So a smaller scale battle could leave a more lasting impact.
some people do
:yeshrug
I didn't bother extensively watching this show (it's bad and always has been folks) but I tuned in for the last episode for shits and giggles to compare it with the eventual bad book ending and installing Bran as eternal philosopher king is peak nerd wishful thinking. It's like Dune with no Jihad. The Jordan Peterson ending.
edmure was robbed. legitimately would've been best king.Edmure gave up his castle to the Lannisters and betrayed the Blackfish.
king of my heart.
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Raist annihilated.
they got a midget :dead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpPD6isXCTU
they got a midget :dead
Dwarf :maf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmnop6l7KmI
Great video.
The more time goes by the more i like King Bran. He would be the first chapter in ASOIAF and also the lat. The problem is that he's not developed well on the show so it feels hollow. But the pieces are certainly there.
After some googling I found the answer to that.
Apparently D&D had an exclusive contract. So if they fired D&D they would lose GoT.
Holy fucking shit George you idiot!!!
It sucks but that has to be the case with showrunners. Either you have a great one like Fuller/Esmail/etc., an OK one like Berlanti, or a crappy one.And sometimes it works out, but they think it doesn't (Deadwood).
Obviously shows are more than the showrunners, but from a network (and IP holder perspective), you either trust the showrunners or you don't. And HBO's whole thing is they let the creative team pretty much do what they want, and it usually works out because HBO usually has good judgment about which showrunners to trust. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't (True Detective s2 hey-oh.)
HBO and GRRM seem to have placed their full trust in D&D. HBO offered 50 million and 4 additional episodes and D&D still balked. But HBO STILL trusted them and their "vision". They broke that trust in many ways.
I'm so sorry George.
I don't understand how this is possible. This entire thing is steeped in lack of professionalism. Holy fuck.
A part from author George R.R. Martin, there are at least two other people, who know who Jon Snow’s real mother is. “Game of Thrones” TV series creators D.B. Weiss and David Benioff shared that they needed to guess Jon Snow’s real origins before the author agreed to let them make a screen adaptation of his novels.
The Sydney Morning Herald shared a video from the ABC program “The Writer’s Room.” In the clip, Weiss and Benioff are speaking about the work they have done in the highly successful HBO fantasy drama “Game of Thrones.”
“Who is Jon Snow’s real mother?” Martin reportedly asked Weiss and Benioff. They said that they had been pitching ideas for the TV series for five hours before the author dropped the big question. They said that after studying the books for so long, they made an educated guess. Luckily, they guessed right and they were allowed to produce the massively successful show.
Unfortunately for fans of both the books and the TV series, the three men have so far not revealed the truth about Jon Snow in their works.
A part from author George R.R. Martin, there are at least two other people, who know who Jon Snow’s real mother is.
HBO and GRRM seem to have placed their full trust in D&D. HBO offered 50 million and 4 additional episodes and D&D still balked. But HBO STILL trusted them and their "vision". They broke that trust in many ways.
I'm so sorry George.
I don't understand how this is possible. This entire thing is steeped in lack of professionalism. Holy fuck.
https://www.ibtimes.com/game-thrones-producers-correctly-guess-who-jon-snows-real-mother-2064983Quote from: TFAA part from author George R.R. Martin, there are at least two other people, who know who Jon Snow’s real mother is. “Game of Thrones” TV series creators D.B. Weiss and David Benioff shared that they needed to guess Jon Snow’s real origins before the author agreed to let them make a screen adaptation of his novels.
The Sydney Morning Herald shared a video from the ABC program “The Writer’s Room.” In the clip, Weiss and Benioff are speaking about the work they have done in the highly successful HBO fantasy drama “Game of Thrones.”
“Who is Jon Snow’s real mother?” Martin reportedly asked Weiss and Benioff. They said that they had been pitching ideas for the TV series for five hours before the author dropped the big question. They said that after studying the books for so long, they made an educated guess. Luckily, they guessed right and they were allowed to produce the massively successful show.
Unfortunately for fans of both the books and the TV series, the three men have so far not revealed the truth about Jon Snow in their works.
That's basically it. They were able to adapt the book because they "knew" who Jon's mother was. George is clueless.
Key example:
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:yikes
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So you think he'll change the story?
The story already diverged a long time ago. I don't know what y'all been reading.
No one is saying otherwise dude.
who the fuck said anything about the stories not diverging?
my brain hurts today.
Tired of your hostile dogshit and being the one blamed like I'm arguing all over the forum.
You can literally see the corners cut and fuckery. I'm sorry, but the books and show will not have the same ending. You're not going to convince me all the characters gang up in Winterfell, defeat the Others, nobody of consequence dies, and then they march to KL to win the game of thrones. fuckouttahere.
A lot of you are completely taking for granted that the books will end up exactly where the show ended up, and I think you will be in for a surprise pikachu.
That's a woman actuallyjust like a woman to try and end a man's whole career
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YIKES
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The success of the Snyder Cut has inspired HBO to redo GoT :rejoiceUnless they bring back Stannis Baratheon and he wins I'm not interested :hmphspoiler (click to show/hide)hopefully it's both S7 and S8[close]
I always felt like the big problem with GoT was that they killed off most of the good actors like Charles Dance within 3 seasons.Some questionable actors in the lead were a problem, but let's be honest, the writing (both general plotting as well as character development and dialog) went downhill fast once they ran out of book material.
So they were left with the wooden plank Emillia Clarke, Kit Harrington doing a LOTR larp, Peter Dinklage phoning it and a bunch of useless extra's. All they could do to make it interesting was throw them into big battles with dragons.
To make matters worse most of the young actors were so busy with GoT promotions that they couldn't do anything else to improve their acting skills or build experience between the seasons.
We doing a thread for HoD?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DotnJ7tTA34